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Falcons lose a real pro

NFL offensive linemen, because of their job description, get a bad rap.

But there was not a finer person in the Falcons locker room than Todd Weiner.

It’s a sad day for Falcons fans as Weiner arrived at the facilities in Flowery Branch around 9:30 a.m. Thursday to turn in his cleats.

He was set to retire. He battled through last season like an old-school heavyweight fighter going 15 rounds after coming back from microfracture surgery. He played in all 17 games and had 11 starts.

The real pros don’t play the game for money. They play for the love of the game.

Weiner was a real pro.

He’s leaving because he thinks his time is up. He could have tried to stick around and cash some more checks. He was set to make another $11 million if he somehow could have finished out the last three years on his contract.

The Falcons will pick up $4.75 million under the 2009 salary cap with the retirement of Weiner. He was set to make base salaries of $3.25 million in 2009, $3.75 million in 2010 and $4 million in 2011. The effect on future salary caps are not certain because under the current labor impasse 2010 is set to be an un-capped year.

Weiner’s salary cap number for 2010 was set, before the labor impasse, to be $5.25 million and $4 million in 2011.

Weiner’s retirement also leaves the Falcons thin behind starters Sam Baker and right tackle Tyson Clabo. The remaining tackles on the rosters are veteran Wayne Gandy, Renardo Foster, who’s coming off a knee injury, and reserves Quinn Ojinnaka and Pat McCoy.

I always thought Weiner did a great job of Carolina’s much-hyped Julius Peppers.

What are some of your thoughts on his retirement? How will the Falcons replace his toughness and skill? Do they need to get some insurance in the draft or free agency?

Let’s wish one of the swell guys in the NFL a happy retirement, as he plans to spend more time with wife Sunny, coaching his kids and working in the banking industry.

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By falcon21

February 5, 2009 7:50 PM | Link to this

Thanks TW, great career, wish you the best.

By D-Man

February 5, 2009 7:54 PM | Link to this

First

Todd, You will be missed!!

By miker

February 5, 2009 7:54 PM | Link to this

I will sure miss his leadership, and knowledge of the game…I always felt that he was the anchor of our offensive line. i am sure that both TD and MS will find a suitable replacement to sit behind Sam Baker ….but Todd will be missed.

By W.D. tha Man

February 5, 2009 7:55 PM | Link to this

I’m top 5!!!!

You will be missed Toddy. Def a true pro.

By Dominic Hughes

February 5, 2009 7:56 PM | Link to this

Weiner has been a great servant to the Falcons and I wish him well in retirement. Well played. With Sam Baker’s injury problems last season I already thought the Falcons should take a tackle at some point in the draft to add depth. Now it is almost certain they will address tackle either in free agency or the draft. A veteran free agent may be preferable to having two young and inexperienced tackles on the roster. And who is Darryl Ledbetter? What happened to D. Orlando? Byline change?

By The Grinch

February 5, 2009 8:45 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry to see Weiner go; he was a consumate professional. I don’t blame him though; he probably wants to be able to walk when he’s 50. I was also thinking we needed another tackle in the draft or FA considering Baker’s recent injury history; it’s a foregone conclusion now. Ojinaka isn’ t the answer and Gandy’s getting old. I don’t know that we necc. need a 1st or 2nd rounder considering our needs on defense; perhaps a veteran FA stop-gap and a mid-late round project that Bodreau can coach up.

Good luck, Todd! Thanks for playing hard.

By falcon21

February 5, 2009 8:50 PM | Link to this

Mr. Ledbetter any FA’s that you know of that ATL. may have an eye on?

By Matt the Brave

February 5, 2009 9:00 PM | Link to this

One of the more classy individuals on the Falcons this year, I think that he taught some of the toughness to many of the younger players. I think that we will miss him more than we expect next year, but you have to know when to hang ‘em up. He survived four different coaching staffs, and remained on the team with no problems and no complaints. He will truly be missed.

By cb

February 5, 2009 10:11 PM | Link to this

Thank you TW for the level of play, toughness, and professionalism that you bought every week. You were truly an asset to the team every Sunday. I wish you success in retirement.

By This Gets Old

February 6, 2009 12:06 AM | Link to this

Well, even before he retired I thought that Atl. needed a OT. Great that Baker got a chance to play with him for a year.

By JMar

February 6, 2009 12:14 AM | Link to this

Agreed - Weiner ALWAYS did his job against Peppers.

By Chris

February 6, 2009 2:15 AM | Link to this

Truly a solid guy. Hopefully he can get his knee straight so he can enjoy palying with his munchkins.

By D. Orlando Ledbetter

February 6, 2009 8:22 AM | Link to this

Falcon21: We’ll have plenty of time to get into Free Agency. Today let’s honor Weiner here.

By Patrick

February 6, 2009 8:31 AM | Link to this

I met Todd a couple years ago when he, Ned Yost, and Tim Cash (Braves Team Chaplain) came out to our church to give their testimonies. He hung out afterwards and talked to a few of us and shared his football background. He never thought he’d end up doing what he did with his career, but that’s what perserverance and determination can do. I thought he was a very nice guy and a very sincere guy. I wish him the best, and I hope he continues to speak to people about his faith, as he definitely touched a few hearts that day.

You know….whatever you choose to do on earth only lasts for a number of years, but whatever you choose to believe can mean eternity. His football career was his ministry.

God Bless, Todd!!!

By Rufio

February 6, 2009 8:42 AM | Link to this

He’s a good guy and a good teammate, and will definitely be missed.

But do they actually hand in their cleats? Do they recycle them and some poor rookie has to play with Todd’s old used cleats? Haha.

By Rufio

February 6, 2009 8:45 AM | Link to this

He’s a good guy and a good teammate, and will definitely be missed.

But do they actually hand in their cleats? Do they recycle them and some poor rookie has to play with Todd’s old used cleats? Haha.

By Poor McKay

February 6, 2009 8:48 AM | Link to this

Much success to Mr. Weiner in the future. Seems like a great guy who made the right decision for himself and his family. Clearly, he has his priorities right while still giving his all to his profession. Too bad previous coaches muzzled the offensive line, he sounds like someone fans would have enjoyed getting to know through newspaper and radio interviews.

Yes, we absolutely need to add depth on the O-line during the offseason. I’d prefer some experienced guys who are hungry for a chance… like Dahl & Clabo.

By Typical Falcons blogger

February 6, 2009 9:06 AM | Link to this

Enough about Wiener- lets get to the real story (you know, the one featured in six out of seven Falcons articles currently on ajc.com)- MV #7! Heessa gonna maka comeback! It’s gonna be great!

Oh yeah, and Brooking stinks.

By McRly?

February 6, 2009 9:16 AM | Link to this

Thanks TW. Fans should never forget that you and your line were a huge part of one of the most prolific running teams in Falcons history for several years, and you should be danged proud of that. Awesome tackle. You will certainly be missed. Wish you the best my man. Enjoy retirement.

By FalconUGAFan

February 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Link to this

Todd, Many thanks for the classy way you played and handled yourself. You will be missed. Maybe we will see you in the coaching ranks someday. Thanks Patrick for that personal glimpse.

By MattyIceIsTheMan

February 6, 2009 10:28 AM | Link to this

We’ll have plenty of time to get into Free Agency. Today let’s honor Weiner here. D. Orlando Ledbetter

In other words…Since when have I given enough of a crap about this blog to conversate with you pions about questions you’d like some inside info on? I’ll post on here once in a blue moon, but I’m not here for you peasants.

Here I was thinking that Weiner had just retired, didn’t know he had died and we need to honor him today.

By how2fish

February 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Link to this

Todd best of luck ! You were a standup guy and a heck of a lineman..thanks !

By Brian Hunt

February 6, 2009 11:11 AM | Link to this

I wish him the best as he begins a new faze of his life. I appreciate his contributions to the Falcons on the field, and the community off of it.

By wesley

February 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Link to this

Todd, you’re an inspiration and a great example of selflessness! Your type of attitude is what makes sports worth watching. Unfortunately there aren’t many players or teams (owners, coaching staff…etc) in any pro sport with that much character and integrity left. Thank you, and may god bless your health and your family in the future!

By wesley

February 6, 2009 11:29 AM | Link to this

Todd, you’re an inspiration and a great example of selflessness! Your type of attitude is what makes sports worth watching. Unfortunately there aren’t many players or teams (owners, coaching staff…etc) in any pro sport with that much character and integrity left. Thank you, and may god bless your health and your family in the future!

By Mac

February 6, 2009 11:55 AM | Link to this

He was probably about the best we’ve had since Kenn retired.

But seriously, I know it’s Friday, but we’re, according to you, just supposed to heap praise on Weiner today and not wonder about who the Falcons might could get to replace him? Okay.

weiner.

By Robert Yates

February 6, 2009 11:57 AM | Link to this

He was doing some promotion at Hardee’s a couple of years ago when I rolled through there. He gave me my sausage biscuit and introduced himself to me. I didn’t need an introduction cause I’d been watching him for so long, but good lord……that man was massive. I always get a kick out of meeting athletes out in public cause usually they’re not so impressive. Not Todd. He looks exactly what a OT should look like. I’ll miss the work ethic he brought this past year, I’m sure he made quite an impression on some of the younger guys.

By Reno 911

February 6, 2009 12:22 PM | Link to this

The only time I’ve ever seen an athlete in a fast food restaurant was when I was behind Jon Koncack at the Sandy Springs Taco Bell in 1992. KACK!

Would have much rather met Todd Weiner. Thanks for all you did for the Falcons, and much luck to you and your family from here on out.

By Billy

February 6, 2009 1:03 PM | Link to this

Best of luck with the rest of your life, Todd!

By row3

February 6, 2009 1:18 PM | Link to this

This is a good example of class, he could have milked his contract for three more years and played a back up role. Knowing the right time to walk away is in the best interest of Todd and the team. I hope this is a lesson to be learned by other players.

By Sly Ty

February 6, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

Todd Weiner was, and is a great professional. This man choose to place the needs of others above his own like the most of honarable Warriors do. His play,leadership, and hard work will be sorely missed. Thank you Mr.Weiner, I wish you and your family a long and fun retirement…YOU’VE EARNED IT.

By Barry

February 6, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

Hey y’all:

Tod Wiener was a rough, nasty, stud on that offensive line. He and the other parts of the “MOVING COMPANY” were a large part of leading the league in rushing 3 of the last 4 years under different coaches. This says a hell of a lot about the Falcons offensive line and the offensive line coaches they had over those years. The Falcons have the type of offensive linemen that are intelleegent and nasty on the field. They have established a precedent for future linemen who may be comming to the Falcons. Wiener, on the other hand, typifies the heart that htese Falcons have. He played through pain and always made more than a good showing. We will miss you Todd and I hope you stay in Atlanta and close to the team and watch and support your Falcons, with your children, in your retirement years. And remember you are were an integral part of “ONE HEARTBEAT!” as a player and now you and your family will be an integral part of “ONE HEARTBEAT!” as a FALCON FAN. Thanks Todd for your great years as a Falcon. We admire your play and courage on the field and I am confident your play and courage wil be exemplified in your private life.

Love you Todd Wiener in “ONE HEARTBEAT!!!!”

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! This is a SECRET from a FALCON FAN. TELL EVERYBODY!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

             "ONE HEARTBEAT, BABY!!!!!"

Ringold

By Mac

February 6, 2009 1:38 PM | Link to this

I once ran across Terry Forster in the Dunwoody Eckerd. He bought a candy bar.

Another time, after he was no longer the coach, I saw Kevin Loughery.

Then once, when I was about 24, I locked eyes with a woman I recognized as an actress I’d seen in a soap opera. He was in her mid-40s. Wish I’d locked more than eyes with that lovely cougar.

By Barry

February 6, 2009 1:39 PM | Link to this

Hey y’all:

Tod Wiener was a rough, nasty, stud on that offensive line. He and the other parts of the “MOVING COMPANY” were a large part of leading the league in rushing 3 of the last 4 years under different coaches. This says a hell of a lot about the Falcons offensive line and the offensive line coaches they had over those years. The Falcons have the type of offensive linemen that are intelleegent and nasty on the field. They have established a precedent for future linemen who may be comming to the Falcons. Wiener, on the other hand, typifies the heart that htese Falcons have. He played through pain and always made more than a good showing. We will miss you Todd and I hope you stay in Atlanta and close to the team and watch and support your Falcons, with your children, in your retirement years. And remember you are were an integral part of “ONE HEARTBEAT!” as a player and now you and your family will be an integral part of “ONE HEARTBEAT!” as a FALCON FAN. Thanks Todd for your great years as a Falcon. We admire your play and courage on the field and I am confident your play and courage wil be exemplified in your private life.

Love you Todd Wiener in “ONE HEARTBEAT!!!!”

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! This is a SECRET from a FALCON FAN. TELL EVERYBODY!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

             "ONE HEARTBEAT, BABY!!!!!"

Ringold

By SeminoleWarrior

February 6, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this

Nothing but love for TW and all that he did as a leader for the Falcons. He will be missed big time in terms of talent and leadership. Best wishes!!

By 1911A1

February 6, 2009 2:58 PM | Link to this

Gotta love those Big Eaters. Todd, congratulations on a memorable football career. All the best as you enter the next chapter of life.

By Ricknole

February 6, 2009 4:18 PM | Link to this

Will miss you TW!! Best of luck with the rest of your life.
Hope you stay around the Falcons family, you are a class act!

By falcon mike

February 6, 2009 5:41 PM | Link to this

Todd Weiner will not be missed (as a player). He was among the group of crappy Falcons offensive linemen that we’ve all criticized for years. I’m glad he’s moving on and it’s time for the Falcons to upgrade.

By falcon21

February 6, 2009 5:45 PM | Link to this

I think Mr.Ledbetter is shooing me. Oh well!

By falcon21

February 6, 2009 6:13 PM | Link to this

falcon mike i do agree they need to upgrade now but those crappy offensive lineman came together as a unit when we got better coaches!!!

By shane

February 6, 2009 6:32 PM | Link to this

Beyong McClure, Weiner has really been the only solid veteran for the past 5 years or so. He was the blind side OT for Vick. He will be sorely missed. Atlanta does not go to the playoffs without him last year and he did it on bad knees!They deffinately need 2 guys to replace him a veteran backup and a draft pick to shore up the depth for OT. Good luck Todd we falcon fans will miss you.

By tyger

February 6, 2009 7:32 PM | Link to this

Falcoons 2009 Easy Button Update

1.24 Jerry Peria, 6’2, 290, Ole Miss, DL, Playmaking pocket pusher with above average speed and motor.

2.47 Clint Stintim, 6’3, 254, Va., DE/OLB, another high-end edge defender gives us options, depth and young legs on either side.

3.73 Nic Harris, 6’2, 233, Okla, SS/Robber adds another young striker and former teammate of Chris Lofton.

4.98 Dominique Johnson, 6’1, 192, JSU, CB, HBCU stud; 4.3 speed and big play ability.

5.112 Fenuki Tupou, 6’6 325, Oregon, OL, Road-grader, Another Pac-10 product to bookend or provide depth behind Sam Baker.

5.122. Brandon Jennings, 6’5, 245, Tx. Tech, DE/OLB; undersized playmaker; good metrics and production; 13 sacks 2008; very young.

6.145 Jackie Bates, 5’11, 185, Hampton, CB, another HBCU flyer clocking in at 4.39; adds sizzle to secondary.

Plus, Chauncey Davis, Jon Babineaux, DT, DE, Stephen Nichols, OLB, Trey Lewis, DT, David Irons, CB and Kroy Bierman, DE, Thomas Decoud, SS; all still in the mix and ready to play.

By 74Dawg

February 6, 2009 7:43 PM | Link to this

Glad he got to go out a winner.With Baker’s injury, they probably don’t make the playoffs without Weiner. Some pretty good defensive ends were faced down the stretch.. Going out last year would have been , like ugh.

By joe white

February 6, 2009 8:11 PM | Link to this

I am a long time season ticket holder,its a sad day for me. Todd was one the best tackles i have seen in a long time. My best wishes to him.

By ray

February 7, 2009 7:20 AM | Link to this

Congratulations to Todd Weiner on retiring, enjoy it! He was a consummate pro, and yes, we do need to get somebody to add depth on the O-line.

Barry is finally beginning to seriously get on my nerves…

By tom

February 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Link to this

The Falcons will need to add some body’s in hope that they may find a new diamond in the ruff. Time moves on. Atheletes who play for the love of the game. Fight as huge struggle trying to balance self in an arena where they no what they expect of self. God bless Todd and family. Stick around. I do not believe your work is done, and your future will be around the Falcon organisation.

By dannyc

February 7, 2009 12:22 PM | Link to this

Good luck Todd. Stay out of Banking

By Martin Calloway

February 7, 2009 12:50 PM | Link to this

Todd, one thing I’ll always remember about the 2008 Falcons season is concern every week about the left tackle spot, and, seemingly every Sunday, you stepping up to hold us together on the O line. Please know you made a difference to many fans, beyond Coach Smith and your teammates. Hearing about the knee pain that stayed with you all season just increases the admiration I have for you, as both a player and as a person. Best wishes to you and your family as you begin stage 2 of your life and career.

By byrdman

February 7, 2009 3:50 PM | Link to this

yes we just lost our hero on the O line, 2 think this man could hardly walk out of the tunnel each week. This hero kept on coming out no matter what the pain or team we faced with def ends thinking it was a easy day with our hero hurt. week end and look at the stats we will all just hope to find a safe replacement cuz this man will not be easy to replace on the field or in our hearts TODD WEINER IS A HERO !!!!

By byrdman

February 7, 2009 3:51 PM | Link to this

yes we just lost our hero on the O line, 2 think this man could hardly walk out of the tunnel each week. This hero kept on coming out no matter what the pain or team we faced with def ends thinking it was a easy day with our hero hurt. week end and look at the stats we will all just hope to find a safe replacement cuz this man will not be easy to replace on the field or in our hearts TODD WEINER IS A HERO !!!!

By falcon21

February 7, 2009 7:37 PM | Link to this

Mr. Ledbetter everyone seems to be tired of talking about the past and would like to talk of the future, would that be ok?

By Singletary

February 8, 2009 6:27 AM | Link to this

Todd made a difference this year, playing hurt, knowing the Falcs may not go far in the playoffs. But that is Falcons football: give it your all, for you know not what. Let the fans decide who’s their guy that left it all on the field. In the world of spent knees, I bet this guy stumbles out of bed in the morning not knowing if they are going to hold. He gave it all for a team, not for any HOF listing or other hype. We thank you.

By stendec

February 8, 2009 9:54 AM | Link to this

Will not post again for a long time. Lost fire for sports. Only son of niece murdered. The Heavenly angel was only a few months old.

A parting gift for all my Falcon friends. Yes, I said friends:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Jessie-Tuggle-Pictorial

“There’s a place…where I can go…when I feel low…when I feel blue…when I’m alone.” The Beatles.

God bless.

By darrell starks

February 8, 2009 11:06 AM | Link to this

JAMAL ANDERSON SHOULD BE ASHAME OF HIM SELF. GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By falcon21

February 8, 2009 11:11 AM | Link to this

Stendec, may God be with your niece, you and your family through these hard times. Your friend

By Ken Strickland

February 8, 2009 1:02 PM | Link to this

STENDEC-I understand your grief, my sister was murdered by her boyfriend. My heart goes out to you my friend. YOU MUST FIND POSITIVE WAYS TO OVERCOME THE PAIN AND GRIEF YOU FEEL, DON’T EVER ALLOW PAIN AND GRIEF TO OVERCOME YOU. I hope you find your way back to these blogs sooner than expected.

FALCON MIKE-your comments demonstrate you don’t have a clue. You are one of those individuals that seems to only see the glass as half empty. TWeiner was the RT that helped lead the Falcons to the 2004 NFC South title and make it the divisional title gm, which we lost to Eagles. He was the RT on the OL that led the NFL in rushing 3 consecutive yrs. He switched to LT this yr, replacing the injured Baker, and we all know what this yrs OL did. He did an outstanding job playing both right and left tackle for 4 different HC’s, and 4 different OFF systems, over a 6yr period.

Remember, the majority of that group of OFF Lineman you said we’ve been complaining about for yrs(C-TMcClure, G-JBlalock, Tackles-TClabo, QOjinnaka, WGandy and TWeiner), were key members of this yrs OL, which lead the NFL in rushing, and provided outstanding pass protection for QB MRyan. Don’t place the blame previous problems on the OFF Linemen. Place it where it belongs, on 2 HC’s that designed and/or implimented a poor passing OFF(Mora & Petrino) and an OFF Coordinator(Knapp) that used poor and predictable play selection.

I know football, so I hve an appreciation for what Todd Weiner has done for this franchise. FROM A LONGTIME FALCON FAN OF OVER 30YRS, I CONGRADULATE YOU TODD WEINER, AND THANKS FOR EVERYTHING.

By mars

February 8, 2009 3:47 PM | Link to this

Falcon Mike will not be missed. He was among a group of crappy, classless bloggers who should move along. It’s time for the rest of us to upgrade.

By Mr Charlie

February 9, 2009 12:01 AM | Link to this

Stendec,

My prayers are with you and your family…there has has never been a more inspriational or player who excuded class more than Jesse Tuggle. I appreciate you sharing. Godspeed.

By RG

February 9, 2009 11:49 AM | Link to this

Thanks Todd for being a great leader on and off the field! You will be sorely missed.

By jim

February 9, 2009 12:29 PM | Link to this

Hey Barry , keep up the rap on the “ONE HEARTBEAT!!” stuff. It is great that you are a fan of Todd and showing your cogratulatory feelings. We all are the real Falcon Fans and we ard down with “ONE HEARTBEAT!!”, especially when the seasons returns. We are together with you, the Falcons, and the community. Hey I can’t wait to get me a “ONE HEARTBEAT!!” T-Shirt when the season starts. I can’t wait until next year.

Yeah, “ONE HEARTBEAT, BABY!”

By Fish2774

February 9, 2009 2:52 PM | Link to this

Thanks TW for loving the game and not the money. Your unselfish leadership will truly be missed in the Dome. Please pass on your experience on to the next up and coming lineman or linemans. Congrats…….

By falcon mike

February 9, 2009 6:15 PM | Link to this

Look folks, Albert Einstein said insanity is “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Todd Weiner was “the same thing” and now the Falcons have an opportunity to upgrade at that position.

And note that I did not take a cheap shot at Todd Weiner the person (I don’t know him). I’m talking about him as a player. We need a strong LT/RT and Weiner was mediocre at best. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a “great guy” or a “heck of a pro.” He just wasn’t pancaking folks like we need him to at that position.

I look forward to a new era of offensive linemen on the Falcons from here on out.

By falcon21

February 9, 2009 7:41 PM | Link to this

The o-line did look bad for a few years but when you have a snap and run QB, the o-line never new where he was going to be. MV was not a pocket QB. Now we have a pocket QB and new coaches. The difference is night and day. TW has always done one hell of a job!!!

By Reno 911

February 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this

Be well, Stendec.

By Ken Strickland

February 10, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this

FALCON MIKE-Llike I said, you just don’t get it. You’re inappropriately applying Einstein’s theory. There are people who play the lottery, and play the same numbers over and over, hoping for a different result. That’s not insanity, because some of them eventually win, and aome win big(definitely a different result). Insanity is doing nothing and expecting a different result.

Todd Weiner wasn’t a starter, so losing him won’t allow us to upgrade the starting OL. His ability to play both LT & RT positions with equal skill will likely force us to carry an additional OT to replace his versatility. THAT’S NOT AN UPGRADE MIKE, THAT’S A LOSS, BOTH TALENT WISE AND FINANCIALLY(since an additional OT means an addition salary). That addisional salary could make the difference in us not being able to sign a FA DT like Hainesworth.

You and people like FALCON21, still can’t seem to comprehend the real causes of the Falcons’ problems over the last several yrs.

By Ken Strickland

February 10, 2009 2:06 PM | Link to this

FALCON21-you mentioned the difference being night and day because we now have a pocket passer and new coaches, and MVick wasn’t a pocket passer. The real differences are, we do have better coaching/coaches, not just new coaches, and our new pocket passing QB actually had a POCKET in front of him. Without the power running OFF, without outstanding pass protection, and without a knowledgeable and effective OC, do you really think POCKET PASSING QB MRyan would have been as successful this yr?

I guarantee you if MRyan, or ever PManning, had played under HC JMora, with OC GKnapp running the OFF, both QB’s would have failed, and probably ended up on injured reserve. All one has to do is look at PManning’s poor numbers, and results, when he goes up against teams with strong DEF’s that can collapse his pocket, like the Patriots or Steelers. Your pocket passers are no more effective than the pocket in front of them, especially if the QB has little to no ability to scramble.

By VICK SUPPORTER 2

February 10, 2009 2:34 PM | Link to this

JOE FLACCO

—-C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S—-

http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies

NFL & DIET PEPSI “ROY”

FINALLY SOME TRUE FOOTBALL BRAINS GOT IT RIGHT :)

SORRY LEAF :)

By big o

February 10, 2009 4:57 PM | Link to this

You will be missed dude. I can still hear the pads popping from that hit in the cardinal game on #96

By FreeMikeVick

February 10, 2009 5:04 PM | Link to this

HAAHAHAHAHA…….Another whitey quits on the Falcons and he is a hero? Vick never quit. The team just turned their back on him.

By falcon21

February 10, 2009 5:05 PM | Link to this

Well said Ken, you do know your football. By the way, I happen to know someone from Acworth with your name that is a big sports fan. He is also very knowledgeable about any sport.

By VICK SUPPORTER 2

February 10, 2009 6:52 PM | Link to this

MY LIFE SUCKS

WHAT HAPPENED TO JAN. 20?

OR SHOULD I SAY VICKUARY 20

ANYWAYS MY LIFE SUCKS

IT SUCKS I TELL YOU

IT JUST PLAIN SUCKS

IF ONLY CHRIS REDMAN HAD STARTED

INSTEAD MATT RYAN WENT 11-5 AND TOOK THE FALCONS TO THE PLAYOFFS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2004

SORRY VICK :(

ON A BRIGHTER NOTE……….FLACCO IS DIET PEPSI ROY

LOL……….DIET PEPSI ROY

MICHAEL VICK NEVER WON DIET PEPSI ROY

By igotxx3

February 10, 2009 7:35 PM | Link to this

wow how do you franchise tag a PUNTER

By Ken Strickland

February 10, 2009 7:38 PM | Link to this

FALCON21-thanks for the props. I’m just glad MRyan was given everything he needed to succeed. I’m also pleased that he had the talent and poise to take full advantage of it. I remember 3 former Falcon QB’s that were pocket passers, and very good passers overall. When the had a power rushing attack, and a strong pocket in front of them, they performed at a Probowl level. When they lost the power rushing attack, and their pocket didn’t hold up, all 3 QB’s struggled and ended up on IR.

Steve Bartkowski eventually took too many blows to his knees and was reduced to a shell of what he was when he had a pocket to protect him and a power rushing attack. Both Criss Miller and Criss Chandler took too many blows to the head and suffered too many concussions and they were forced to retire. Chandler took the Falcons to their 1st Superbowl appearance, but GM/HC DReeves refused to resign key blockers like RTobeck and TE-Santiago, WR-TMartin and lost RB JAnderson to injury. Those key personell losses affected the power rushing attack and the ability to protect him in hte pocket.

The difference between them and MVick was their inability to acramble and avoid the hits that reduced their effectiveness and caused their physical demise. No other NFL QB could have come close to accomplishing what MVick accomplished under HC JMora and OC GKnapp. Overall, that wasn’t a very talented team. After a losing none playoff season in 2002, MVick started in 03 and led the Falcons to the playoffs, and gave the Packers their 1st ever home playoff defeat. After losing only one player to a preseason gm in 2003(MVick), the team could manage only 2 wins in its 1st 12gms. Vick returned and started the last 4gms and took the same team that managed to win opnly 2 or its 1st 12 and won 3 0f its last 4. HE WASN’T JUST A PART OF THE OFF, HE WAS THE OFF.

Unfortunately, DC, especially Tampa Bay;s Monte Kippin, made adjustments that limited the effectiveness of our gimmick laden OFF. And neither Mora or Knapp competent or knowledgeable enough to come up with a counter. MVick had his shortcomings, especially when it came to character issues. But to pretend he wasn’t a successful QB, just because he was an outstanding runner and overall athlete, but not a great passer, is rediculous. It also shows how those who embrace this philosophy are dealing with issues that go beyond football.

I appreciate what MVick did for the Falcons, on the field of course, and what MRyan has done for the Falcons overall. IT’S A SHAME FALCON FANS HAVE TO CONTEND WITH VILE COMMENTS, FROM TRASH THAT LITTERS BOTH SIDES OF THE DUMPSTER, LIKE FREEMIKEVICK.

By falcon21

February 10, 2009 8:34 PM | Link to this

Ken you made some really good points on Bart,Miller and Chandler. As for Vick I was a very selfish falcon fan in the beginning and thought Vick was being punished for who he was, a great athlete and a good QB that new how too win games. After hearing from so many fans and some bloggers that AB and the falcons turned their backs on him I changed my thoughts on it, also selfish I guess. But I will not deny that Vick was a winner. As for as Tobek, Santiago and Martin I agree they sould have been resigned, with Anderson inguries happen.Mora and Knapp I never had any respect for either one of them.

By Ken Strickland

February 11, 2009 1:13 PM | Link to this

FALCON21-I’m a diehard Falcon fan, so I was also a diehard MVick fan. I never felt Blank or the organization turned their backs on him. He turned his back on everyone else, except the very friends and relatives that ultimately turned on him. I remember when it was reported that HC Dan Reeves warned Vick about the people he was associating with and that he had a bigger obligation to the franchise to himself, based on the position he held.

I don’t know if that was a reference to his gambling and dog fighting, or if they even knew, but it was very sound advice. Not heeding it is why he’s where he is today, and he got what he deserved. On the other hand, I hope he learns from this and gets his life and his career back in order.

I wonder if Demitroff will consider not resigning Brooking and Malloy, or offer them drastically reduced contracts, to free up enough cap space to go after DT Hanesworth. A DT of Hanesworth’s calibur would take our DEF, and overall team, to a championship level. With Hanesworth, we can draft a TE with our top pick, and use the rest to secure backups. Can you imagine what our OFF would be like if MRyan had a ACrumpler type TE? Just 2 major position upgrades, DT and TE, could take us from a playoff contender to a Superbowl contender. I really believe Malloy would take a pay cut and return just to complete what he started and finish his career on a winning note. Brooking has enough talent left to start for another team, so he might not take a large pay cut.

Up until this season, I use to try and determine who we would be better off drafting and signing as FA’s. But, after what Demitroff and Smith accomplished last season, I won’t waste the time. I have total respect and complete confidence in them. I can’t wait for free agency and the draft.

By falcon21

February 11, 2009 7:21 PM | Link to this

Ken, I think Nicholas could step in and do a good job replacing KB. I read in an earlier blog where someone wrote Nich. had only 58 tackles. Compared to time on the field that is not bad. I would like to keep Malloy for one more season but as you stated earlier we need to free up some money. If we could pick up Hanesworth and draft a TE it would be well worth the risk. Also has anyone heard how Vaugh n Hutchins rehab is going? I really don’t know a lot about him but I have heard he is pretty good.

By Dogbyte

February 11, 2009 8:25 PM | Link to this

I must be out of my mind. I’m going to quote Aristotle on THIS blog.

Bad men are full of repentance Aristotle.

That is true for the MV7s, the A-rods, etc. They are not sorry for what they did; they are sorry they got caught.

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