Falcons

By jp

January 21, 2009 8:40 AM | Link to this

FIRST!

By SimpleDawg

January 21, 2009 8:59 AM | Link to this

It’s crying shame that The Senior Bowl will be televised on the NFL Network. 90% of the public will not see the game….the best college Allstar football game will be rendered irrevelent because no one will see it. As a former resident of Mobile, I became a huge fan of The Senior Bowl. I went to the practices and always attended the game; I always watched the game on TV after we moved to ATL and then to GVL, SC. But since last year, I’ve been unable to watch the game without going to a bar or buying the NFL Network….I refuse to purchase the NFL Network. The NFL’s greed will eventually spread to more and more regular season games, and maybe even playoff games, being televised on their network…thus killing the goose laying the golden eggs. The National Financial Looters league can’t seem to get enough money and power….sad.

My rant is over….watch the game if you can, the scouting of college players by The Senior Bowl committee always offers the best college players of any allstar game.

By surfin' bird

January 21, 2009 9:03 AM | Link to this

I don’t care who the Falcons draft. I’m confident they will all be solid. Just like 08!

By mountain_jim

January 21, 2009 9:06 AM | Link to this

Good to hear this update Orlando, and good to hear the Falcons are looking to upgrade the TE position this offseason. Keep us informed on any Free Agency rumours as that season cranks up.

By Truth carry

January 21, 2009 9:06 AM | Link to this

Members of Congress should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors.

By tp

January 21, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this

It’s not surprising to me that there’s a strong Falcons contingent in Mobile, because it appears to me they put a premium on college players who spend four years in school (Curtis Lofton is a notable exception, but he played a lot at Oklahoma and seems to be mature beyond his years). In other words, they’d rather wait a few rounds and pick up someone like Kroy Bierman than take a first-round gamble on a Junior TE-turned-DE from Arkansas with little experience (unlike the old regime).

It still irks me that we chose Anderson over Patrick Willis in the draft.

By tbhawksfan

January 21, 2009 9:16 AM | Link to this

Like Pettigrew, but not as our first pick. Got to see what happens in FA, I expect to pick up one of our def needs during FA.

Look for DL, OLB, SS or CB witht he first pick; depending on FA signing and available talent.

I have a feeling that the DL will get revised before the draft (FA, Andersen to DT ?).

By Red Fox

January 21, 2009 9:20 AM | Link to this

As much as I like Pettigrew, Raji would be a much better fit/need. We need to be able to give old man Brooking a lot of breathers next year.

By FOX Red

January 21, 2009 9:36 AM | Link to this

Old man Brooking is going to be getting his breathers in another city next year, No doubt about it. I’m not bashing him, he was great in his prime, he is just in a down slide up and out of Atlanta. He cant cover….at all. Plus all of his tackles are 5 - 6 yards down field. I dont care how many tackles you have if they are down field.

By sickfan

January 21, 2009 9:39 AM | Link to this

DEFENSE! Draft Defense!! A tight end is just not that important. Our offense will be fine with Ryan White, Turner and Norwood. Shoot if Laurent Robinson can stay healthy we might win the super bowl.

DEFENSE. We need help at end and linebacker.

By Poor McKay

January 21, 2009 9:44 AM | Link to this

Raji will likely be a top 15 pick, so unless the Falcons are willing to trade 2 draft picks to grab him, he won’t be there when they pick. I’m happy with the “best available” defensive player with our first 2-3 selections. We definitely need to upgrade the TE position but that takes a back-seat to the multiple upgrades/holes on the defensive side of the ball.

By mountain_jim

January 21, 2009 9:49 AM | Link to this

I agree defense needs the top picks prioroty, but I maintain that upgrading TE is important, and not just one that can block or catch but we need one that can do both.

By FalconDawg

January 21, 2009 9:55 AM | Link to this

We Really need to focus on the the D, Safety, D -end maybe pick up a good D line man off free agentsand a big middle line backer i agree we need a great tight end it help with the pass and running the ball and we all know if turner the burner gets going we are all good but most importanly we need coachable kids who can step in quick and learn are schedule is unforgiving

By FalconDawg

January 21, 2009 9:56 AM | Link to this

We Really need to focus on the the D, Safety, D -end maybe pick up a good D line man off free agentsand a big middle line backer i agree we need a great tight end it help with the pass and running the ball and we all know if turner the burner gets going we are all good but most importanly we need coachable kids who can step in quick and learn are schedule is unforgiving

By sickfan

January 21, 2009 9:57 AM | Link to this

People need to layoff Brooking. He is smart and in the right position most of the time. He did blow that play against Arizona, but we still love him, and if he wants to stay with the falcons, we should let him - He is a good guy, and a hard worker. I for one, want to thank Keith for his time and effort in Atlanta.

By row3

January 21, 2009 10:13 AM | Link to this

Its nice to be talking about specific positions as draft needs, last year we needed a whole new team. We need a playmaking TE for Ryan to dump off to, but to make our team better NOW, we have to go after DEFENSE.

By The Grinch

January 21, 2009 10:17 AM | Link to this

According to Laurentino (?) this morning on 680, the Falcons are about 21 million under the cap. I think we’ll get a good free agent or two pretty quick; players actually will want to come here now. Who we pick up will then determine draft priority. Unlike past regimes, I both expect and trust this one to make the right moves in both cases. Despite our schedule (if we go 11-5 again we’ll have earned it), I’m looking forward to next season even more than usual.

By VICK SUPPORTER 2

January 21, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this

DUMP BROOKIN

WHEN JESSE TUGGLE WAS ASKED TO RETIRE, HE WAS A BETTER PLAYER AT HIS RETIREMENT THAN BROOKIN EVER WAS…

CUT HIM AND TRADE LEAF AND DRAFT A BIG ARMED QB

By Truth carry

January 21, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this

Applied logic on D Led’s blog.

Well, it seems these two rednecks, Bubba and Cooter, decided they should go to college so they could get ahead.

Bubba went in first, and the professor advises him to take Math, History, and Logic.

“What’s Logic?” Bubba asked.

“Well, let me give you an example,” said the professor.

“Do you own a weed-eater?”

“Sure do,” the redneck responded.

“Okay. Then I assume, using logic, that you have a yard,” the professor went on.

“That’s real good,” said the redneck, in awe.

“Logic also tells me that since you have a yard, you also have a house. Is that right?”

“GAWL-LEE!” the redneck shouted.

“And since you own a house and a house is tough to take care of by yourself, logic dictates that you have a wife. Right?”

“Betty Mae! This is incredible!” Bubba is catching on now.

“Finally, since you have a wife, logically I can assume you are heterosexual rather than homosexual. Is that right?”

“You are absolutely right! Why that’s the most fascinatin’ thang I ever heerd of. I can’t wait to take this here logic class!”

Bubba, proud of the new world opening up to him, walks back into the hallway where Cooter is still waiting.

“So what classes are ya takin”? Cooter asks.

“Math, History, and Logic,” replied Bubba.

“What in tarnation is logic?” asks Cooter.

“Let me give you an example,” Bubba says. “Do you own a weed-eater?”

“No.” says Cooter.

“You’re Queer, aintcha?”

By jc316

January 21, 2009 10:22 AM | Link to this

I agree with most that out immediate needs are on the defensive side of the ball. I think we will concentrate on those in the early rounds and still have a chance to draft junior tight end from South Carolina, Jared Cook. Runs a 4.3 forty, 6”5’ 240+lbs. He might be the steal we need with that kind of speed. He can stretch the field.

By Coach Hinz

January 21, 2009 10:41 AM | Link to this

You know what they say…”Saftey First”

By GATORZONE

January 21, 2009 10:43 AM | Link to this

VICKSUPPORTER2 You are an idiot! leaf/Ryan comparison is the most stupid blog I have ever heard.

By Mike T

January 21, 2009 10:52 AM | Link to this

Keith Brookings we want to thank you but its time to GO making tackles 5-6 yards down the field want get it. TE is a must, we need some one for Mat to dump off to and that can block. In the play off game our TE blocking was sicking. I salute the coaching staff thus far,however what will you do for us this year. Safety needs a upgrade and thanks No 77 I like your style of blocking. Coach Smith we need a nasty DL that demands a double team. We fans can’t wait until next year. PS Mat get stronger the weight room calls.

By Dogbyte

January 21, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this

I am confident that when all shakes out the Falcons will have made some excellent FA signings and good draft picks WITHOUT any “help” from us. But, blather on. It’s therapeutic.

By RomanFalcon

January 21, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this

I did not get to finish my thougt. If an offensive tight end is there in round 1 that you did not expect to fall to you (Pettigrew), then you take him. You can’t go into a draft saying we will only concentrate on one side of the ball. I trust the pros in the Falcon office to make the right call on draft day. With the one side of the ball logic, we would not have Ryan.

By BirdFan

January 21, 2009 11:18 AM | Link to this

Id like to see them sign Oakland DB(can’t pronounce his name) in Free Agency. Draft the best defensive player available in the 1st round then look for a tight end in the second. Either way in Dimitroff We Trust!

By TXDawg

January 21, 2009 11:22 AM | Link to this

Orlando Can we get some feedback on Derrick Williams from Penn St. Where is he projected, what his routes & catching ability looks like? I know he played multiple positions in college like Hines Ward did for UGA but I’m sure he’ll be drafted as a receiver. I heard that kid is a stud!!

Thanks!!

By KneeJerk

January 21, 2009 11:41 AM | Link to this

Mike T- get smarter…the dictionary calls

By row3

January 21, 2009 11:52 AM | Link to this

jc316 I kinda like the Jared Cook idea in the later rounds, we have two 5th round picks if he falls that far.

By Brent S.

January 21, 2009 12:08 PM | Link to this

First off, VICK SUPPORTER 2…catch up about a year and a half with the rest of the Falcons world..VICK IS NOT COMING BACK!!!!!!!!!!! Ryan is the man and new face of the franchise. He’s proven himself. He got us to the play-offs in his first year as a rookie. If we would’ve had a defense, we’d be playing in two weeks. That’s ONLY difference between Ryan and Flacco is that Flacco had a solid D!! Now, on with the blog.. After watching this season, though exstatic about next season, here are my two cent observations:

1. Draft or get a FA to replace Chris Houston-PLEASE!!. He is a descent back up but NOT a strater. Milloy had to spend half his time chasing down recievers that always got past Houston.

2. With the exception of one or two INTS, Erik Coleman was a bust FA, in my opinion. He always seemed out of position on a long ball, and when a running back got in the secondary, he never could bring him down quick enough. Like Houston, descent back up but NOT a starter.

3. Since I’m a die hard Tech fan, I have been a stout fan and supporter of Keith Brooking. I believe he has one descent year left in him; however, he either needs to be willing to take less money for next year or be humble enough to realize that he isn’t as quick as he used to be and perhaps take a back up role to a quicker, younger draft pick or FA. Yeah, that 3rd and 16 in Arizona exposed his age a bit. I don’t want the Falcons to trade him b/c honestly, what other team would pick him up. He’s not Ray Lewis. He should be able to reitre a Falcon—PERIOD!!! He desreves it. I pray that the Falcons don’t pull a Dominique part II on an Atlanta sports Icon again! That is the reason I have since hated the Hawks!

4. Draft a quicker OLB to either replace or start in place of Brooking. I do believe that Brooking can share knowledge of that position to a younger player. Also, where was Michael Boley at this year? With the exception of the fumble he caused on the punt return in Minnesota, what has he done this year? We need to do the same thing with him as with Brooking. Not b/c of age or slowness, but b/c he needs to get back in the game again.

5. Keep Lawyer Milloy for at least one more year. He still lays good hits on people and we still need that in our secondary. Draft a FS for him to groom and work with. Milloy still provides leadership for this team and we will need that again this year.

6. Draft a DE to replace Jamal Anderson. He is a BUST as a DE. Abraham was over worked this year b/c he had to take up the slack for Anderson, or else HE would’ve lead the league in sacks and been a shoe in for the Pro Bowl. If Anderson was a receiver first before being a DE, I say shift HIM to TE and draft a solid DE to help out Abraham. Abraham is in his prime right now and he needs to avoid injuries to keep our D-Line solid.

7. Draft a solid DT to help out Grady Jackson. I have a feeling he isn’t going to be able to play much more with that mammoth frame he has. Babineux is coming into his own but we STILL need a solid pass rush to take the pressure of our secondary.

8. Over all, here is MY pick list. Feel free to agree or disagree: *FS-to groom *SS-to start in place of Coleman *CB-to start in place of Houston *OLB-to groom in place of Brooking *OLB-to put a fire under Boley *DT-to eventually replace Jackson *DE-to completely replace Anderson and help Babineux and Abraham on pass rushing.

By Huh?

January 21, 2009 12:26 PM | Link to this

Brent S That is a lot of “verbage” to state the obvious.

By Big MIKE

January 21, 2009 12:30 PM | Link to this

We brougt Hardstock in to block, imagine what Ryan would do, if he could freeze linebackers with a good tight end.It also would force the safeties to play up a little closer, therefore opening the sideline, and deep routes down the middle of the field.Linebackers would be confused as to who to cover. Jarius Norwood or the tight end.T.M. get us a good tight end in here, and a demon speed rusher to work with John Abraham, and this draft would be complete.

By Mac

January 21, 2009 1:18 PM | Link to this

Yeah the Falcons could use an upgrade at TE. Peele may turn out to be really good, or maybe not. But I know this, they never, ever need to throw the call to Marcus Pollard again. Please.

By Rocket20

January 21, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this

Go get Peppers!!!! Julius and John would be the most feared pass rush in the NFL.

By GATORZONE

January 21, 2009 1:27 PM | Link to this

I agree with rocket 20. Get peppers, draft a DL, 2 linebackers, Te, 1 corner 1 safetey

By Ted Striker

January 21, 2009 1:42 PM | Link to this

Nice article, Orlando, and good updates on a number of prospective draftees. I also found last years retrospectives about Pete Carroll, Mike Smith, and D. Hall were amusing. What a difference a year makes.

One comment and one question. First the comment. I hope Pat White finds a place in the NFL with a team who effectively utilizes his talents. He’s a smart guy, a good guy, and has nice athleticism. While he could make someone’s roster as a QB, I believe his best chance to maximize playing time is at WR. Who knows how well he catches a ball, but he’s similar physically to Anquan Boldin, with more pure speed. Either way, I hope he makes a mark.

Question: Would you say that feedback about Massaquoi’s pass catching performance is mostly ‘negative’, ‘mixed’, or ‘uncertain’ I understand inconsistent QB performance could be a factor in Mobile — making it difficult for all receivers to fully showcase their talents.

Thanks again, Orlando.

By KneeJerk

January 21, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this

Ted- you can’t be serious. White is physically similar to Anquan Boldin? The only thing physically similar to those two is skin color.

By tyger

January 21, 2009 1:59 PM | Link to this

Falcoons have 2 picks in 5th round to work with. The #7 in the 5th is from Oakland, from the MeAngelo trade.

Hopefully, they can package that into something useful. There will be alot of good talent in that 2-4 range and we’ve had success with that in the past.

Lofton, Houston, Blaylock, Douglass, Norwood, Robinson, Chevis all in that range and productive.

By tyger

January 21, 2009 2:12 PM | Link to this

Free Agency

Its well noted that the Patriots (Dimitrof) built through the draft. The Falcoons on the other hand, have too many young players already, they need veteran free agents.

Because we’ve done so well in the draft, we dont have many holes, but to get to the next level sooner rather than later, free agency is the route to go. Most picks wont be plug-n-play like Ryan and Lofton, they’ll take some grooming.

We dont have time, bar has been raised. We were perhaps one win from the SuperBowl. Huh? 12-4 wouldve gotten us the NFC South with home field advantage. I think thats the difference, instead of going to Arizona, we wouldve gotten a 1st rd. bye and the Cards come see us.

I dont think the refs let them jump offsides like that in GA Dome. Anyway, point is get guys who can help right away - Julius Peppers

By Reno 911

January 21, 2009 2:13 PM | Link to this

FA - Asomugha, CB, from Oakland. FA - Dansby, LB, from Arizona.

draft:

By mars

January 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Link to this

Not to defend Brooking, but I must point out something. Brookings position this year was WEAKside LB. What does that mean? In modern football alignments the offensive line has a strong side and a weak side, the strong side is the side that the tight end happens to be on for that particular play. The extra body blocking makes that side stronger. Defensive schemes mirror these definitions, with the astrongside defending agaqinst the strongside. Strongside linebackers tend to be tall, since their primary duty in passing situations is to cover the tight end. Hence, it was Boley who blew the coverage at the end of the Arizona game and sealing Atlanta’s fate.

By Reno 911

January 21, 2009 2:30 PM | Link to this

mars - true on some levels, but incorrect in the final conclusion. if you watch the tape, you’ll see that Brooking was faced with a decision about 2 seconds into the play: 1) drift back and left to match up with the TE running into the seam or 2) maintain depth to prevent the releasing RB (Hightower, I think) from converting a 2 yd dumpoff into a 10 yd gain. Brooking chose #2 (though he really didn’t do much decisive in that play at all—standing frozen just looks a lot more like #2). the problem was that, situationally, he should’ve known that on 3rd and 16, there was ONE threat for a first down that he could influence, and that was the TE running the seam. Brooking gets a lot of credit for being such a “smart” player, but smart is as smart does as Mrs. Gump used to say, but being smart over a career really doesn’t count for much on that 3rd and 16, does it? Of course, we wouldn’t be talking about any of this if Matt Ryan had changed up the snap count a few more times, and mitigated the DL’s fire off the ball. You think their DT would’ve caused the fumble-handoff-for-touchdown had that play (some others) been called “on three”? That was the play, right there. But, back to the point: the TE on 3rd and 16 was indeed Brooking’s pickup, and he didn’t make it.

By Zach

January 21, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this

Peppers is overrated. The Panthers aren’t sure if they want him anymore. Work ethic is questionable. Draft draft draft. Build from within.

Geez, there was an uproar when the Braves jilted Smoltz after we paid him 14 mil for nothing last year, but demand Brooking be cut. Brooking’s earned a right to stay in Atlanta. He may not start, but he would be extremely helpful in mentoring young players. Keep Brooking. Draft a replacement. Don’t think Lofton’s quick development was completely independent of Brooking’s aide. People lament a lack of loyalty from players. Why should they be loyal when organizations aren’t loyal back?

Linebackers and secondary should be priority. I like Biermann and Davis enough to bump D-line down to third priority.

By JerseyFalcon

January 21, 2009 2:35 PM | Link to this

Is bart Scott a FA and Dansby? If so..they would be a good fit. I don’t know about the DT from Boston College..once Cody didn’t decalre, BJ came a good draft pick by default.

By Rufio

January 21, 2009 3:10 PM | Link to this

Not to defend brooking, but more so, try to understand his thought. Maybe he was thinking he needed to defend the underneath for the mere fact that arizona was just about, if not already, in field goal position. So really it was a lose-lose. First down game over. trailing by 9 with a minute to go (or whatever) game over.

Oh well, its over with. Originally watching Arizona march to the superbowl made the loss to them a little less painful, but after some thought… that could have been us if it wasnt for one or two plays.

Definitely has me pumped for next season though.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 21, 2009 3:24 PM | Link to this

That’s too bad to hear about Shane Dronett dying… along with Travis Hall he gave the Falcons a pretty good one-two punch at defensive tackle in the late ’90s. The NFL really should look into why ex-NFL linemen tend to die so early. Seems like most cases of untimely deaths among ex-NFL players involve linemen.

By Dogbyte

January 21, 2009 3:49 PM | Link to this

Some interesting statistics:

2009 Superbowl.

Players shares. $78K winners $40K losers Ticket prices $1K—$800—$500 TV Ads $3m for 30sec

1967 Superbowl

Players shares $15K winners $7.5K losers Ticket prices $12 - $10 - $6 TV Ads $42K for 30 sec

By tbhawksfan

January 21, 2009 3:55 PM | Link to this

Get Haynesworth or Peppers.

Someone on D will fall to us: Vontae Davis CB ?

Draft OLB/SS/TE/OL

By Dogbyte

January 21, 2009 4:05 PM | Link to this

Rufio When the infamous 3rd and 16 play occurred the Cards were on the Falcon 46. That is a long way from field goal range, even in a dome.

By D. Orlando Ledbetter

January 21, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this

Hello Y’all,

Just dropping in for a second. Waiting for some calls to finish up the Shane Dronett story. (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2009/01/21/falconsdronett.html?cxntlid=homepagetab_newstab)

On PAT WHITE: Saw where Jack Del Rio is going to offer him the chance to play other positions, possibly some wideout.

Truth carry: Applied Logic on the blog. Hmmmmmmm.

On DERRICK WILLIAMS: Greenbelt, MD’s finest! Heard he’s doing a good job down in Mobile.

Ted Striker: Thanks for the comment. As to your question, the word is pretty consistent that there’s an NFL issue with Massaquoi’s hands. The South QBs — Pat White, Cullen Harper and John Park Wilson — are not drawing rave reviews.

Take care, D. Led

By Rufio

January 21, 2009 4:13 PM | Link to this

Dogbyte was it the 46? i didnt remember exactly. i just remember seeing the 30… guess thats cause that is where the first down was. my bad.

By Dogbyte

January 21, 2009 4:35 PM | Link to this

Rufio I wasn’t picking at you. As a matter of fact, I had to check it. I actually thought they were still in their end. But, as you said. It’s over.

By DawgGirl32

January 21, 2009 5:14 PM | Link to this

I have a feeling Massaquoi’s trouble with catching has more to do with the fact that he’s being thrown to by QBs like John Parker Wilson when he’s used to being throw to by Matt Stafford. John Parker Wilson is a very average QB.

By falcon21

January 21, 2009 5:20 PM | Link to this

Brooking made a mistake and I think he knows it but this is the NFL and players make mistakes. It may or may not have cost the game, we will never know. The zebra’s did’nt help nor the fumble which was caused by them being offsides.We have alot to look forward to next season.

By Dogbyte

January 21, 2009 5:20 PM | Link to this

If MoMass continues to have troubles maybe we can pick him up in the later rounds. The Falcons KNOW he can catch the ball.

By Brandon

January 21, 2009 5:29 PM | Link to this

Hey why is everyone worried about out definsive line? Trey Lewis should be healthy to add depth plus if they decide Anderson should move to tackle we still have Beirman and Davis to man the spot opposite Abraham. If we need depth use a late round pick or Free Agency. The priority is Safety, Corner, and depending on what happens with Brooking and Boley linebacker. Offensive line depth, primarily a young center to groom as a future starter.

By 74Dawg

January 21, 2009 5:48 PM | Link to this

Brandon,you are kidding , right ? Grady is not an every down player. Trey Lewis’ health is questionable. The Falcons did not stop ANYBODIES’ running game late in the season when it counted. If they stop even Reggie (I deserve # 1 slot contract,even though I was passed over )Bush, they have home field and might still be playing . Sure they need linebackers too. Linebackers can be found in rounds 2-4. They also need a pass rush. The D-backs look a lot better when the QB doesn’t have all day.

By 74Dawg

January 21, 2009 5:54 PM | Link to this

I will agree with you about safety. That would be the # 2 priority after D-line.

By falcon21

January 21, 2009 6:01 PM | Link to this

I wish we could get MoMoss in the later rounds. He has made alot of really good catches with UGA. And I think Harry Douglas is going to be one of the best of the young receivers. Could be the best on the team.

By crabapplejoe

January 21, 2009 7:18 PM | Link to this

Reno 911 wrote: “But, back to the point: the TE on 3rd and 16 was indeed Brooking’s pickup, and he didn’t make it.” If the TE was Brooking’s man who, pray tell, was Lawyer Milloy supposed to be covering on the play. It was zone coverage with the Cardinals sending two TEs and a RB which leaves four DBs deep to cover only two WRs. Brooking covered the TE in the short zone and then released him to Milloy when the RB came out on a route…Lofton did the same. Milloy just got there too late. Either it was Milloy’s man or he was doing a horrible job of covering a WR since he was (almost) right there when the TE caught the ball. Quit blaming KB for everything. He was our leading tackler and leading solo tackler amongst the LB group. He ain’t the problem. Milloy got beat like a bad step-child for two TDs before the 3rd & 16. He lost the game for us not Brooking.

By Truth or Consequences

January 21, 2009 7:26 PM | Link to this

Hey VS, you and your other worshipers(who expect MV back in the NFL next season)better read that item about PETA. If Vick can’t make up with them, he ain’t goin’ to play in the NFL. Take that to the bank.

By Dogbyte

January 21, 2009 7:35 PM | Link to this

falcon21 I agree with you about Douglas, to a point. He has lot’s of “flash”. But, to be a successful NFL receiver you have to take out the “trash”. Jenkins took a lot of big hits this year, and held on. He showed me a whole bunch. He could develop into a Finn type of receiver.

By Dogbyte

January 21, 2009 7:51 PM | Link to this

You guys still “debating” whether it is Brooking or Milloy that is the Falcon’s weak link don’t you think that the Falcons with all their film evidence don’t KNOW? Give it a break, please! I guarantee one(or both)will be gone next season.

By Plato

January 21, 2009 9:11 PM | Link to this

Wish we could keep Milloy as a (hitting and attitude) coach. Is there a limit to the number of coaches a team can have?

We could keep Brooking as a coach too. He’d be great teaching linebackers the ole ten-yard-ride tackle. lol

He and Milloy are both out as players, in my all-mighty opinion…

By crabapplejoe

January 21, 2009 9:23 PM | Link to this

“Wish we could keep Milloy as a (hitting and attitude) coach” Or maybe keep around as the “DUI” coach… you know for the younger players.

By Numba1Fan

January 21, 2009 9:44 PM | Link to this

Let’s get the facts staight……(Fact 1)Brooking has slowed down enough where we need to bring someone in thru FA or the draft to either replace him outright or be groomed to replace him SOON. (Fact 2)Milloy was hurt for the Arizona game and was not at full speed, he did not practice most of the week before the game. This man can still play at a high level and no one we get thru the draft will b e able to replace him immediately, maybe a high price FA could but we all know what they cost. (Fact 3) We need to address the following positions this year either thru the draft or Free Agency DT,(Grady is probably serving a suspension for 4 games) DE, DB (to eventually replace Milloy), TE through the draft.

By Numba1Fan

January 21, 2009 9:46 PM | Link to this

Let’s get the facts staight……(Fact 1)Brooking has slowed down enough where we need to bring someone in thru FA or the draft to either replace him outright or be groomed to replace him SOON. (Fact 2)Milloy was hurt for the Arizona game and was not at full speed, he did not practice most of the week before the game. This man can still play at a high level and no one we get thru the draft will b e able to replace him immediately, maybe a high price FA could but we all know what they cost. (Fact 3) We need to address the following positions this year either thru the draft or Free Agency DT,(Grady is probably serving a suspension for 4 games) DE, DB (to eventually replace Milloy), TE through the draft.

By falcon21

January 21, 2009 9:55 PM | Link to this

Joe be cool I did back off and Dogbyte Jenkins did pick up his game .Ryan started to go to him alot later in the season.He will be the go to guy in the pinch!!!

By Sea kittens taste good

January 21, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t Jan 20 supposed to be some kind of important date for vick, according to vs2?

Will this imbecile ever tire on being wrong?

Great analysis by Crabapple Joe, btw.

By crabapplejoe

January 21, 2009 10:18 PM | Link to this

Numba 1 Fan: Those are not facts…those are opinions….and you know what they say about opinions and a##holes…everybodys got one and some stink. You mean there is nobody in the draft that we could get and put in against Arizona next year and get beat like a Hong Kong w******* like Milloy…nobody…bet we could find somebody…maybe in D-2. Milloy is 35 freakin’ years old and should move on to assisted living.

By Ted Striker

January 21, 2009 10:23 PM | Link to this

Knee Jerk — I am serious…and don’t call me Shirley.

By falcon21

January 21, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this

NO one is starting a war with you Joe. KB and Milloy are still playing pretty well but Milloy has played a little better. They both have had great careers. 3rd and 16 is over with.

By D.Ellis

January 22, 2009 7:58 AM | Link to this

Who cares about whose man it was on 3rd and 16 against Zona. Here is my take on it though

Milloy should have been there to make the play or stop it before he got that deep.

And there was no way Brooking should have come up to take the RB period. No way. football instinct as much as Brooking has should have told him that Kurt Warner was not going to dump a ball to the RB 3 yards pass the liine scrimmage on 3rd and 16 with the game on th line. Why would Warner do that? Brooking should have dropped in the zone like he originally was doing and helped underneath with Milloy helping over the top.

-So the debate will go on and on but bottom line is Brooking and Milloy both fouled up. Not becasue they are old or washed up. I mean let’s face it…It’s not like Warner and the TE made some spectacular play….He hit the TE on a post…WOW. They both fouled up. Just my thoughts.

Now Can Foxworth play nickle Back if they drafted the CB from Vandy?Where do those 2 D-Lineman rank from BC in the first 2 rounds? Anyone know?

By Gov

January 22, 2009 12:07 PM | Link to this

Do the Falcons have the right to trade Mike Vick ?

By JT

January 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this

GOV- Falcons still retain all rights to Vick for the time being. I think they will have to resolve his impact on the cap before they can do anything in free agency. This year, I believe he accounts for 7 million against the cap if he’s on the roster and 15 million if they cut him. Don’t hold me to those numbers but I think I read them on espn recently. It’s surpising to me that there hasn’t been more discussion about this issue because its an elephant sitting in the room IMHO.

By Jacobp13

January 22, 2009 2:41 PM | Link to this

Pettigrew is definitely worth our first round pick. With all of the powerful TE/QB combo’s in the NFL I think Pettigrew and Ryan could be one of the most dominate. He is a 6’6 tank who can catch and also block. I know we want to focus on the Defensive side of the ball but a TE like this doesn’t come around every season. If we do not take him and he slips to mid 2nd round I think he would be worth trading up to get.

By D. Orlando Ledbetter

January 22, 2009 4:00 PM | Link to this

The league released the official draft slots. The Falcons are picking 24th. They thought the were going 25th. But when Baltimore advanced to the title game, they went to the back of the 11-5 line.

(http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dc0fdd&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 22, 2009 4:03 PM | Link to this

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe if anyone trades for Vick they will have to take on his contract, and I seriously doubt any NFL team is willing to do that. Vick will have suitors in free agency, but he’s gonna have to sign a minimum-salary incentive-laden deal to return to an NFL team. Nobody’s gonna guarantee him anything. I’d be surprised if the Falcons can even get a 7th-round pick for him via trade.

By Reno 911

January 22, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this

any truth to the rumor that the Falcons may sell the rights to Vick to Greek club Olympiakos in return for a case of Ouzo and a dish of Spanakopita?

By D. Orlando Ledbetter

January 22, 2009 4:28 PM | Link to this

VICK TRADE ISSUE: They can re-negotiate the contract contingent upon the trade. It’s the closest thing the NFL has to the NBA sign-and-trade. Nobody is taking that contract. Point of reference was the Tenn to Dallas, sign and trade with PacMan last year.

HE’S likely to have trade suitors. (AP polled each team this year and six said they were interested.) The issue is when will the suspension will be lifted. Until then, he’ll just sit on the Falcons roster as suspended and counting against the cap.

Tennessee got a 4th rounder for Adam Jones. Vick’s value should be higher than that. Trading him is a preference for the Falcons over just out-right cutting him and taking the contract hit. (That’s why he’s still on the roster i.e. suspended)

By falcon21

January 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Link to this

Mr.Ledbetter who do you think some of the six teams may be?

By Dogbyte

January 22, 2009 5:17 PM | Link to this

Thanks D Led, for TRYING to explain the MV situation and how complicated it is, and that you(or TD)doesn’t wake up some morning and say, “I got a great idea! I’ll trade MV for a bucket full of draft choices!” But, in spite of your explanation, I bet 24 hours doesn’t go by before someone on here suggests trading him for the Oakland CB, Peppers, or the entire Pittsburg roster.

By Reno 911

January 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Link to this

Great idea! Do you think the Steelers would take that trade? I know how much they miss Kordell Stewart.

By falcon21

January 22, 2009 5:53 PM | Link to this

Dogbyte, Mayock said MoMass could go in 2nd or 3rd round. I don’t think ATL. would take him that early. How early do you think they would take a chance on him? Mayock said he’s looked good so I can’t see him droping to far into the later rounds.

By Dogbyte

January 22, 2009 6:01 PM | Link to this

falcon21 Realistically, I don’t think he will last long enough for the Birds(who you know have other “needs”)to take him. But, we can dream, can’t we?

By falcon21

January 22, 2009 6:13 PM | Link to this

Yeah I agree.I guess we’ll just have to depend on TD. He has made some good moves so far.The way I hear it, he can find talent hiding under a rock.

By Dogbyte

January 22, 2009 7:51 PM | Link to this

falcon21 He better be careful. You never know what you might find under a rock on here. :>)

By Dogbyte

January 22, 2009 8:07 PM | Link to this

We all have to be objective when draft time arrives. I remember that last year many(me included)were shocked when they picked Matt. Looking back on it, I would now be devastated if they HADN’T picked him. I remember waiting anxiously for the THEN Falcons to pick Hines Ward. And there he was! They picked, instead, some stiff. The moral is (now, with the folks we have in the war room): No draft can be decided on one player. You have to look at the whole picture. Last year’s was good. I expect this year’s to be as good, or better.

By falcon21

January 22, 2009 8:32 PM | Link to this

Thats the way I felt when Dan Reeves picked Crumpler I think with Atl’s 2nd pick of the draft. I was like what the heck! But he turned pretty good and for Ryan, what can I say? Now it is nice to have someone in the front office that actually know what they are doing.

By The Grinch

January 22, 2009 9:34 PM | Link to this

“Some stiff?” Dogbyte, Hines Ward wasn’t fit to carry Jammi Germann’s jock as an NFL wideout. I positively remember him (Germann) bringing Tim Dwight some Gatorade during a preseason game once; take that statement back! Agreed Jenkins took a major step forward this year; we’ve got a pretty solid looking rec. corps.

I know defense is the main priority, but do you guys realize how unstoppable our offense would be with an elite TE? My god. If Pettigrew falls to us I think there’s a case to be made for taking him. Dimitroff will do the right thing regardless.

I think Milloy deserves one more year, especially if there’s not a good value pick when it’s our turn. He was hurt for that last game and while he’s lost a step he’s still got something in the tank.

By The Grinch

January 22, 2009 9:40 PM | Link to this

Remember, Rodney Harrison was still effective this season at 36 (prior to major injury) and he had way more wear and tear on him. Rod Woodson was still effective at 37.

By falmouth

January 22, 2009 11:44 PM | Link to this

Pettigrew is a great TE (just ask opposing DE’s and the entire 2007 Texas Tech D). It’d be great to have a TE who can block and make plays like him…but there is NO WAY we are going to draft him. The young man was arrested and charged with assault of a police officer (and public intoxication) last January (check it out for yourself). The felony charges were later reduced. Now this may have been a big misunderstanding (yeah, right. “Hey, that policeman just attacked my fist with a chest-butt.”) or it might have been an uncharacteristic, isolated event but in any case Blank will Absolutely NOT allow Dimitroff to draft him.

By D. Orlando Ledbetter

January 22, 2009 11:56 PM | Link to this

Falcon 21: My best guess on the six teams (all have major QB issues): 1. Detroit (could get it right with Stafford).

1. Kansas City (same, with Sanchez).

2. San Francisco (They finished the season with Shaun Hill, a gamer with a weak arm. Where’s Alex Smith?)

3. Seattle (Mora and Knapp can put the band back together and Hasselbeck isn’t getting any younger.)

4. Dallas Cowboys (Jerry Jones!)

5. Cleveland (Makes sense to me. The Stadium already has the “Dawg Pound.”)

THE LAST FIVE 24s: Don’t know about you, but I think the Falcons should bring in Jack Bauer to turn in their card. Jack’s the man. He’s unstoppable. Would be a great Strong Safety. Here are the last five 24s. (should bet a good player):

2008 — Chris Johnson, RB — Tenn. 2007 — Brandon Meriweather, FS — New England 2006 — Johnathan Joseph, CB — Cincinnati 2005 — Aaron Rodgers, QB — Green Bay 2004 — Steven Jackson, RB — St. Louis

By Vick Supporter

January 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Link to this

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/090122

By Remember

January 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Link to this

Anyone remember Scott Case? Best name player ATL ever had!!!

By darrell starks

January 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Link to this

no jermaine gresham no tight end first round we must go defense defense and more defense if some how we get albert haynes worth or julias pepper we should pick 1round pick LB JAMES LAURINAITIS from OHIO STATE or LB BRIAN CUSHING from USC 2nd round if some how he slip to us this will be the steal of the draft CB SEAN SMITH FROM UTAH 3round CB AHER ALLEN FROM GEORGIA A NOTHER STEAL IF HE SLIP TO 3ROUND SEAN SMITH CAN PLAY SAFETY OR CORNERBACK HE IS A BEAST

By Truth carry

January 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Link to this

By Vick Supporter

January 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Link to this

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/090122

It’s just a coincidence that this tear-jerker about Vick is written by a woman of color. Right?

By Dogbyte

January 23, 2009 12:21 PM | Link to this

I don’t know anything about Sean Smith, but I know(of)and have watched Asher Allen play numerous games. He is a good young man and an above-average college player. But, he is not as good as any of the CBs or DBs that the Falcons now have on their roster. Drafting him (earlier than the 7th round)would be a waste of a pick, IMHO.

By darrell starks

January 23, 2009 12:45 PM | Link to this

DOGBYTE are you kidding me asher allen is way better THAN SORRY CHRIS HOUSTON ASHER ALLEN PLAYED for def cord. MARTINEZ WHO IS HORRIBLE ASHER ALLEN SHOULD EASY GO IN THE SECOND ROUND HE would be a steal for us in the 3ROUND. GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Link to this

Dear God, please don’t let Seattle sign Vick. I’d rather see him retire permanently than be reunited with Mora and Knapp.

By falmouth

January 23, 2009 2:00 PM | Link to this

seattle? nope! remember the “coach killer” comments. Mora Sr. made the comments but that was probably influenced by what mora jr. told him. but enough about vick!!! this is a discussion about the draft!!!

By Dogbyte

January 23, 2009 2:01 PM | Link to this

IMHO

By epb

January 23, 2009 2:02 PM | Link to this

DOnt knock not getting NFL Network - I am tempted to turn to it occasionally but just as quick to turn it off - Comentaters/hosts…. are absolutly obnoxious. 2-3 people mumbling over each other with rap music in the background…. cant understand them and Dukes, Deion, Baldy, … the whole groupe just rant and rave the same irrelevent nonsense … over and over…. distraction from the game. I think it’s the Not For Long Network unles they make some major strategy and personnel changes.

By Paddy

January 23, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this

Peppers does not want to play for the Falcons or for that matter any team that is not a 3-4 defense. His comments not mine.

By Truth and Consequences

January 23, 2009 3:14 PM | Link to this

“… not a 3-4 defense. His comments not mine.”

And about 100 others on here.

By falcon21

January 23, 2009 4:51 PM | Link to this

Remember, yeah I remember Scott Case. He was a bad man,I remember a play where crushed a punter that was trying to run out the clock jogging around in the inzone.At one point in his career while playing DB he was the only white DB in the NFL. I think he went to the PRO-BOWL that season but not sure,can’t remember that!!!

By Vick Supporter

January 23, 2009 4:56 PM | Link to this

Vick to the Panthers. Scary ain’ it. It could very well happen………Since PETA has completely made an a* of themselves, people are a lot more forgiving now……just a thought. Vick 09.

By Dogbyte

January 23, 2009 5:49 PM | Link to this

I find it hard to believe that Dan Reeves would consider an OC job. I find it equally had to believe that he would be considered for that position. I liked, and like Dan…but he has been away from the game too long.

By Dogbyte

January 23, 2009 5:54 PM | Link to this

I don’t think MV will play for the Panthers as long as Jerry Richardson is alive. As for those slime buckets in TB…that’s another story.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 23, 2009 5:56 PM | Link to this

Vick Supporter, you may want to read this too.

As much as I fear Vick being reunited with Mora in Seattle, I’d love to see him reunited with Reeves in San Francisco.

By Jack Bauer

January 23, 2009 6:34 PM | Link to this

Dammit!

By Reno 911

January 23, 2009 7:12 PM | Link to this

Not sure how many of you have been to the west SF-bay area, but I don’t think that’s the place where Vick would land. I don’t see any way that the 49ers (whose newer ownership and management is extremely PR-conscious) would take on Vick’s baggage. No way. On the other side of the bay, however, I could see Weird Al Davis taking him on, but he’s pretty personally and emotionally invested in JaMarcus Russell, so I don’t think that’d happen either.

By Reno 911

January 23, 2009 7:18 PM | Link to this

(my point being that the city and a lot of the fan-base, being without argument the farthest left-leaning major metro area in the country, would go absolutely apoplectic if the Niners were to take Vick. There would be mass boycotts of games, with more people standing outside the stadium waving signs than inside watching the game. no way the niners would go near him.)

By Reno 911

January 23, 2009 7:20 PM | Link to this

The only thing that would pi$$ off more people would be if the Niners hired George W to be their General manager, and Dick Cheney to be the head coach.

By GuyanaDawg

January 23, 2009 7:26 PM | Link to this

“Dawg pound” - that was funny.
Falcons offseason should be very interesting.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 23, 2009 7:32 PM | Link to this

Reno, that’s a good point, but at the same time, how many hardline animal rights activists buy season tickets? The Bay Area is a big place, and I don’t think the football watching demographic and the PETA demographic intersect to the extent that it would make a huge difference in terms of ticket sales.

You’re right about Oakland though… I wouldn’t go after Vick if I were running that team either. They have invested a high pick and a lot of money in Jamarcus Russell, who seemed to be turning a corner near the end of this season.

By Dogbyte

January 23, 2009 7:55 PM | Link to this

All things considered(good title for a radio show), there is no place in the NFL that is “comfortable” for Vick. Does that mean that no one will take the chance? No, but it’s going to be a chanced!

By Dogbyte

January 23, 2009 7:57 PM | Link to this

chance without the (d).

By Dogbyte

January 23, 2009 8:18 PM | Link to this

I think Herm Edwards is a good coach and motivator. He got caught up in a sh-t sandwich in KC. Someone will get a good coach if they hire Edwards.

By falcon21

January 23, 2009 8:20 PM | Link to this

RG is not going to let the NFL look bad, so PETA will have a lot of pull in Vick’s football future.

By The Grinch

January 24, 2009 4:40 AM | Link to this

Asher Allen with the proper coaching could be a decent NFL DB. I wouldn’t spend more than a 4th rounder on him personally (assuming I was an NFL GM and not some dude on the Falcons blog).

Davenpoop, agreed that anyone who might conspire to put Vick with Mora and Knapp either hates Vick or hasn’t done their research. Oil and water.

Dogbyte: agreed Herm is a good motivator, but his clock management makes Andy Reid look like Bill Bellicheck.

By Dogbyte

January 24, 2009 10:20 AM | Link to this

Grinch: IYHO? :>)

By ray

January 24, 2009 3:23 PM | Link to this

Najeh,

Vick going to Seattle is akin to someone dying and going to the 5th circle of hell. I don’t wish that on anybody, with Mora and (ugh) Knapp there. Vick gets traded there, and we might have to put him on suicide watch.

Truth carry,

Did you really have to go there? Really?

As for PETA, they don’t get enough attention (like most activist groups who are more concerned with furry critters than they are their own fellow humans), so when they get a chance to jump in the limelight, they’ll take it. A big name like Mike Vick was their chance for fame and to drum up more support. I was involved in an inter-departmental case wherein I helped some County Counter Narc agents nail a guy for doing all the things Vick funded. He also was planting drugs and illegal weapons on innocent people (his best buddy’s ex-wife to be exact), and he was caught in the act.

Funny, PETA didn’t show up for that one. See the difference? I think they should all go out and forsake their city-living ways, and commune with nature. Then we’ll find out just how quickly all the critters they love so much will push them further down the food chain….

By ray

January 24, 2009 3:44 PM | Link to this

I get the feeling Dimitroff and Co. will make some nice moves in the Free Agent side of things. We may end up meeting some serious defensive needs that way.

When it comes to the defense, our secondary isn’t great, but it’s also not horrible, either. One of the keys is how long you give a quarterback to throw. A better defensive line puts more pressure on the quarterback, which often directly relates to less pressure on the secondary. Too many times this season, we’ve allowed opposing quarterbacks to hang out in the backfield until one of their receivers could work his way loose. John Abraham is straight murder coming from right end, but he needs help. Biermann will no doubt get better, but how much better, and how quickly? And we could use the size/ability inside if we can’t get it on the end.

Either way, we still need help in the secondary. I wouldn’t mind keeping Milloy around. Moreso than Brooking. But that’s just me.

As far as the draft goes, Dimitroff has already shown he is willing to trade up for somebody he really wants. I’d like to see us get Raji, but I don’t know if it will happen. Cushing is a nice addition too, but will he play outside backer? I think we’re okay on middle backer for the time being with Lofton. Who knows, as the linebacker issue might be one solved in free agency.

I like the idea of getting Pettigrew, but that only helps us on offense, where we really don’t have as many issues. Still, not a guy to ignore. I just don’t know about him being our top draft pick. But hey, I trust Dimitroff. Many of us thought Ryan was a mistake (some still do, but we won’t get into that). He’ll get what he needs. I think what is done in Free Agency will help define what is done in the draft.

By Dogbyte

January 24, 2009 5:56 PM | Link to this

Ray Your comments about “giving a QB too much time, etc.” are well-taken, but here it is in the proverbial nutshell: A good defensive line can make an average secondary look good. And vice versa. It is, after all, a team game and each element depends on the other. Take the Steelers for instance. Their D-line is not made up of super stars, but the seconday is lights out. Anyway, Dimitroff realizes all of this and I am confident he will “tweak” both areas to make the Falcon defense better.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 24, 2009 6:33 PM | Link to this

I’ve always thought a great pass rush makes a bad secondary look decent, but a bad pass rush makes even a great secondary look average. Dogbyte, I think you’re underrating the Steelers front seven’s ability to generate pressure. As a 3-4 defense most of their pressure comes from the outside linebackers James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley, and to be honest I haven’t seen a better pair of pass rushers on any team in the league this year.

On another note, whether you’re a Vick fan or Vick hater, I challenge all of you to not bust out laughing when you read this. I certainly did.

By D-Dawgdavis

January 24, 2009 6:44 PM | Link to this

Pettigrew is a great choice, but as this board shows we are a few defensive players away from staying past the first round of the playoffs. Taylor Mays out of USC would have been great, but he decided to stay for another year.

DL can be fortified through FA and TE can be built up, but I think Peele getting more reps and a healthy Hartsock isn’t bad.

Rey Maualuga: Gives us an Urlacher type Defensive player.

Larry English: Gives us an athletic rotation/back-up opposite Abraham.

Raji: won’t be there. He’s gone in the top 20.

It’ll be an interesting few months leading up to Camp.

By Dogbyte

January 24, 2009 7:43 PM | Link to this

Najeh Once again, whatever you say on here gets corrected. I didn’t mean, or say, that the Steelers line is a bunch of stiffs. They are just not Pro-bowlers. Do you also deny what I say when I say it is a team game and all elements support each other? I hope not.

By Storstark

January 24, 2009 8:56 PM | Link to this

Agree with D-Dawgdavis, Raji is not hanging around until 24. Unfortunately, nor is Pettigrew. Don’t think we can expect Cushing there either. Leaves a couple tough choices. Don’t like Moore given that he’s injury prone. Missing Baker and Anderson for most of the season was not helpful, think injury prone players are best avoided.

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 24, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this

“Do you also deny what I say when I say it is a team game and all elements support each other? I hope not.”

No, I never denied that. It appears you completely missed my point. My point was that a defense with a great front four and an average secondary is going to be better than a defense with a great secondary and an average front four. When your defensive line controls the line of scrimmage, even an average secondary can look good because a) they don’t have to respect the running game, meaning no safety in the box and less respect for play fakes, and b) the opposing quarterback will have less time to throw the ball, resulting in bad timing and inaccurate passes which obviously are easier to defend for a DB.

On the other hand, if there’s no pass rush, even a Pro Bowl DB can only cover for so long until a receiver finds a way to get open. Case in point, the Broncos a few years ago had Champ Bailey and Darrent Williams, two of the better corners in the league, and still finished 21st in pass defense largely because their D-line couldn’t generate a consistent pass rush. Obviously a good secondary will make average defensive lines look better too, with coverage sacks and what not, but over the course of a season the team that controls the line of scrimmage better is going to be better off.

By the way, the Steelers’ three starting D-linemen have been to five Pro Bowls collectively.

By Jake W

January 25, 2009 2:47 AM | Link to this

Like I said in another post, I think a DT or a LB should be our first round pick (Raji, Jerry, Maualuga, etc.). I think it would be a good idea to try and go after that TE Shawn Nelson from Southern Miss in the 2nd round. He look pretty good this week as a pass catching TE.

By ray

January 25, 2009 8:43 AM | Link to this

Dogbyte,

I don’t agree so much with the “vice versa.” A good secondary won’t necessarily make an average defensive line look good. As Najeh notes, controlling the line of scrimmage is one of the biggest keys to any game. Would a good secondary make an average defensive line look good against the run? Nope. If the D-line fails against the run, and the secondary makes up for it, the D-line still looks bad, and eventually the secondary looks bad as well, because it will fail on a pass play while expecting to have to cover the run.

As Najeh said, a good secondary can make an average front line look good. I see that happening when coverage is so good that it forces the quarterback to hold onto the ball longer, giving the defensive line more time to get to the quarterback. If THAT is what you meant, then I agree (you did not explain your point of view). But eeven then, the defensive line has to be at LEAST average, or they will never get to the quarterback in time. Meanwhile, coverage eventually breaks down in the secondary, no matter how good they are.

Saying that football is a team game (duh), and then asking if a person is willing to deny that is nothing more than a straw man argument. Surely you can do better than that.

And this: “Najeh Once again, whatever you say on here gets corrected. I didn’t mean, or say, that the Steelers line is a bunch of stiffs. They are just not Pro-bowlers.”

Sounds just a bit condescending, don’t you think? Najeh is one of the few people who actually wants to talk football, and does so with a good bit of common sense and level-headedness. Too many people come here, fighting about Vick, and just bashing each other in general. So while his comments might be DISPUTED, I wouldn’t say they are CORRECTED.

And speaking of corrections…Casey Hampton made the Pro Bowl last year as an injury replacement. Aaron Smith made it in 2004. I guess you meant none of the Steelers D-line made it THIS year…but I’d say they are a bit better than average. Wouldn’t you agree?

By Dogbyte

January 25, 2009 10:30 AM | Link to this

Ray & Najeh I stand corrected, I guess. The part about the Steeler D-line that made the Pro-Bowl is certainly my bad. Actually, I don’t keep up with other teams and statistics, “honors”, etc. Those things, IMHO, are for losers. But, getting back to my point: A defense(or offense)works as a unit and each part is as important to the end result as another. If the DBs were not just as important, why would you have “coverage sacks”? Anyway, I have my opinion and you two have yours. Mine is based more on my career in the USMC where teamwork is so vital and where who makes the “shot” is immaterial; just as long as it get’s made.

By Homie Johnson

January 25, 2009 10:44 AM | Link to this

We need a big, pass-catching tight end for MV7.

By Dogbyte

January 25, 2009 10:44 AM | Link to this

In the interest of correctness: “your’s” and “gets”(sic).

By Ed

January 25, 2009 11:27 AM | Link to this

With Thomas Dimitroff in control of the draft with his Patriot-esque mold I have no doubt in my mind that everything will be just fine both with who the Falcons pick up in the draft and through Free Agency. Perhaps the best part will be not over paying regardless of which free agents we get, personally I would shoot for Albert Haynesworth and Jermaine Phillips through free agency and then draft James Larinaitis with the 1st pick. I already can’t wait for next season it’s going to be interesting.

By The Grinch

January 25, 2009 11:55 AM | Link to this

Well, having analyzed the most recent argument carefully, I have determined that the apparent solution is to have BOTH a good D-line AND a good secondary. That way one could get pressure on the QB, stuff the run, and get coverage sacks too! I hope Dimitroff is reading this; It simply makes too much sense to be ignored as a plan.

Number one; make it so.

By Dogbyte

January 25, 2009 2:17 PM | Link to this

Grinch: Who asked you? :>)

By Dogbyte

January 25, 2009 5:36 PM | Link to this

When do we hear from someone who attended, what players showed up well in the Senior Bowl? The accounts I have read(as usual)dwell almost entirely with the QBs and TD makers. I don’t get the NFL network but it would have been locked in on the above players, anyway.

By Mike

January 25, 2009 5:55 PM | Link to this

NAJEH I totally agree that a strong front four can make an average secondary look good. The Giants have proven that well of the last couple of seasons. I like Pettigrew’s ability, but TE is not our most pressing need, and frankly tight end is a little deeper this year in the draft than most positions. Two years ago I watched the Falcons take Anderson when I was certain they would take Okoye. Then last year I was left screaming at the television again when they took Ryan (which I am glad to say they were right on that one). I like Raji…most have him ranked #1 at DT so far. One guy no one is talking about that I was impressed with during the Senior Bowl prctices, and the game is Jerry out of Ole Miss. He was locked up with two linemen most of the evening and allowed the ends to penetrate and put much pressure on the Norths QB’s. I hope he last to late in the first and the Falcons snatch him up. Maybe we can get Suggs via free agency. Two linebackers who played well in the Senior Bowl who will probably go late second to third that is worth looking at is Matthews out of USC and Beckwith from LSU. If by chance in the first Perry and Raji are both off of the board when the Falcons pick, then I like Mays (there is no other rd 1 quality DT, so this guy would be the best defensive player on the board) safety out of USC..then I like Marks or Moala in the second.

By ray

January 25, 2009 6:01 PM | Link to this

LOL@ Grinch….

Dogbyte,

No harm done. As you say, you have your opinion, I have mine, etc. Although I don’t recall anybody saying that DBs were more or less important than D-line. I must have missed it…

Actually, I don’t keep up with other teams and statistics, “honors”, etc. Those things, IMHO, are for losers.

Or simply fans of the sport of football. Or People whose livelihood may depend on the ability to recognize more than just the accomplishments of the home team. I’ll bet several members of the Falcons organization (coaches, scouts, GM, etc) keep up with such things. Are they losers as well? Is knowing all you can about the opposition and other teams/players in general just for losers? I’d call it scouting myself, but what do I know?

I applaud your service to the country, so I’ll not degrade your analogy. I know a thing or two about teammwork, working in law enforcement. And working with a lot of guys formerly in the Corps…

Furthermore, when engaging in the free agent market, it might help to know something or two about a player you’re about to trade for or sign.

By falcon21

January 25, 2009 6:48 PM | Link to this

Ray, I don’t think you are in any front office or a scout for any NFL team.I think what Dogbyte was saying is as a blogger it is not his or our responsibility to worry about that.It is our choice.

By Dogbyte

January 25, 2009 7:07 PM | Link to this

Ray & Najeh I bear no grudges and I hope you do not, as well. But, this whole thing is beginning to bore me and I am a participant. Let’s drop it, shall we?

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 25, 2009 9:05 PM | Link to this

No hard feelings.I only come here to post my opinion on whatever is being discussed, and I certainly don’t take offense if people disagree with me.

By Pettigrew

January 26, 2009 2:54 AM | Link to this

Brandon Pettigrew will still be on the board at #24 and that’s who the Falcons will select! Who’s going to select a TE in the top 20 picks? Get ready to hear Roger Goodell go to the podium and say this Falcon fans:

With the 24th pick in the NFL Draft, The Atlanta Falcons select, TE Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State.

Do you nut jobs realize that we’re still rebuilding and that our defense will STILL have holes after the draft? Do you honestly think we’re going to go from the #25 ranked defense to a top 10 unit in one season? Do you realize that Thomas Dimitroff can’t solve every problem in one offseason??

Get ready to see Brandon Pettigrew in red and black soon people. You might not like it, but once you see him play…. You’re going to lose your minds, the kid is scary good. But you’ll see come September. He’s going to put our already dangerous offense over the top.

By ray

January 26, 2009 7:10 AM | Link to this

Falcon21,

I didn’t claim to be a scout or work in any NFL front office. And you completely missed my point. Dogbyte said one thing: “I don’t keep up with {those things}..it’s for losers.” I am the one who said it was for professionals and/or fans who chose to do so. Read the posts again. As it is, there was no animosity…

Dogbyte,

As you wish. What can I say…on a place for opinions, there is bound to be some agreement or disagreement. And on the error-net, there is always room for misunderstanding….

By Dogbyte

January 26, 2009 11:05 AM | Link to this

By Dogbyte

January 25, 2009 5:36 PM | Link to this

When do we hear from someone who attended, what players showed up well in the Senior Bowl? The accounts I have read(as usual)dwell almost entirely with the QBs and TD makers. I don’t get the NFL network but it would have been locked in on the above players, anyway.

Anyone care to comment on this? How about you, D Led?

By ray

January 26, 2009 11:33 AM | Link to this

I believe if Dimitroff wants B.J. Raji, then he’ll find a way to get him. We know he has no problems trading up in the draft. He did so to get O-lineman Sam Baker last year.

Dimitroff and Smith will get whomever they think they need to get.

By Reno 911

January 26, 2009 11:59 AM | Link to this

“Practice what you preech + dont condone in hyp.”

word.

By Dogbyte

January 26, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this

Furthermore:

A skunk sat on a stump and thunk the stump stunk, But, the stump thunk the skunk stunk.

By Ryan Rules !!!

January 26, 2009 5:45 PM | Link to this

Vick Supporter—-Thanks for the link to the ESPN article,this confirms what you’re told here all the time.Have anymore good article links?

ESPN writer said,and I qoute- “(vick)was never a dynamic passer so if he doesn’t have his legs, pursuing the NFL could be a tough challenge”.unqoute

He’s a fast,strong armed player,but it takes alot more than that to be a great QB,and he just doesn’t have it.

By three jack

January 27, 2009 3:39 PM | Link to this

vick was a dynamic passer with dan reeves as his coach. my prediction…if reeves ends up as 49ers oc, vick moves to the bay area and rubs in the faces of all those liberal peta people.

By Sewodada

January 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Link to this

**First round-BJ Raji/Ron Brace-BC, or Jerry-Ole Miss; bottom line, DT

Second Round-Jared Cook-SC, or Nelson From Ole Miss(No Chase Coffman:> Contrary to Popular demand, he’s not that high as potential as the first 2 on here); Bottom Line, TE

Third Round-Dominique Johnson-Jackson State; can play either Corner or Safety(he’s 6’2”/210lbs). Hamlin-Clemson, Chung(if he’s still available)-Oregon or best available DB left; whether corner or safety**

By Sewodada

January 27, 2009 5:21 PM | Link to this

**First round-BJ Raji/Ron Brace-BC, or Jerry-Ole Miss; bottom line, DT

Second Round-Jared Cook-SC, or Nelson From Ole Miss(No Chase Coffman:> Contrary to Popular demand, he’s not that high as potential as the first 2 on here); Bottom Line, TE

Third Round-Dominique Johnson-Jackson State; can play either Corner or Safety(he’s 6’2”/210lbs). Hamlin-Clemson, Chung(if he’s still available)-Oregon or best available DB left; whether corner or safety**

By Slim Pickens

January 27, 2009 10:37 PM | Link to this

I don’t know that there’ll be much trading up this year; last year there were three 2nd rounders and we HAD to get a left tackle. Dimitroff said he wouldn’t have done it if there hadn’t been a run on them. But then, who knows what may happen? It all depends on what free agent moves we make.

By The Grinch

January 27, 2009 11:00 PM | Link to this

Oops.

By Vick Supporter

January 28, 2009 11:17 AM | Link to this

Vick 09. Put that in your meth pipes and smoke it

By 2 old 2

January 28, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this

Vick Supporter I don’t have a meth pipe. Can I borrow one of your’s.

By 2 old 2

January 28, 2009 11:41 AM | Link to this

?

By Truth or Consequences

January 28, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this

Let’s just suppose that Vick is released in June And Goodell immediately removes his suspension. That leaves one month + training camp for him to get into “football shape” AND learn a new offense(assuming he doesn’t go to Seattle). Odds of him getting in shape: Good. Odds of him learning a new offense in that time: Poor. Vick in 09? Not a chance!

By Ken Strickland

January 28, 2009 12:27 PM | Link to this

When Demitroff drafted QB MRyan, instead of a sorely needed DT, I thought we made a big mistake. I am very happy to say, I WAS WRONG, and drafting Ryan turned out to an excellent decision. While we still need help at DT, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Demitroff drafted TE Pettigrew. He would improve our rushing, passing and scoring OFF, as well as time of possession, exponentially.

Both the Rams and the Colts won Superbowls with DEF’s that were weak against the run. At one point in the season, the Colts were dead last against the run. However, both teams had OFF’s that scored pts and controlled the clock. That combination usually forced the opposition to abandon their rushing OFF’s, to play catchup.

With the addition of a quality pass catching TE, and the overall maturity of the OFF, the Falcons should be defending the pass more than the run. Remember, as weak as our rushing DEF was last yr, the reason Arizona is in the SB, and not the Falcon, is due to critical pass plays our SS(Malloy) and WSLB(Brooking) were unable to defend.

I believe we’ll draft a SS before we draft a DT. Drafting a TE will also help our overall DEF. Some mock drafts have us drafting a CB with one of our top picks, but I don’t see it. We signed FA CB VHutchins last yr to start next to CB CHouston. His season ending injury, and the injury to CB Grimes, forced us to trade for CB DFoxwoth. If Hutchins recovers fully, and since Foxworth is a fixture as a starter, we might see CB Houston either demoted or traded. And don’t forget the return of DT TLewis. THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE VERY INTERESTING DRAFT AND OFF SEASON FOR THE FALCONS.

By VICK SUPPORTER 2

January 28, 2009 1:40 PM | Link to this

GET RID OF:

J.ANDERSON, M.BOLEY, K.BROOKING, C.HOUSTON, L.MILLOY

RE-SIGN:

D.FOXWORTH, G.JACKSON, T.CLABO, H.DAHL

NEEDS:

LB, S, DE, DT, TE

1ST RD DRAFT PICK

BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER AVAILABLE WORTHY OF PICK

2ND RD DRAFT PICK

BEST TE AVAILABLE WORTHY OF PICK

RD 3 THROUGH 5

DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE

RD 6 AND 7

BIG OFFENSIVE LINEMAN

By Vick Supporter

January 28, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this

@Truth or Consequences

QBs are born to be QBs. He will have no problem picking up the offense. Its funny how you people say he couldn’t read defenses or learn the playbook. You just can’t be a STAR QB in the NFL by luck. You people refuse to give credit where it’s due. You will be proved wrong, guranteed. Vick 09

By Truth or Consequences

January 28, 2009 2:20 PM | Link to this

Vick Supporter If we can come up with someone mutually agreeable to hold the money, I’ll bet you all either of us can afford.

By Vick Supporter

January 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this

@Truth or Consequences

What? I don’t get your post.

By Truth or Consequences.

January 28, 2009 3:57 PM | Link to this

Vick Supporter It’s quite simple; I’m calling you out. You keep posting this “Vick 09” stuff, which presumably means when he will play again. I’m saying, “Put your money where your mouth is.”

By shanny8

January 28, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this

while i would love to see the falcons draft a good pass catching TE, i doubt pettigrew is gonna be around that long…i would stay on chase coffman from mizzou(dude will most likely be around in the 2nd or 3rd round), and do after a DE/DT with the 1st pick…then after the DL and TE are settled, go for SS or a LB…they def should keep foxworth, and either convert anderson to a DT, or cut him loose…and i know it is old, but i been sayin it for the past 4 yrs now…they NEED to let go of brooking.

By RyanRules !!!!!

January 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Link to this

Vick Supporter—-Thanks for the link to the ESPN article,this confirms what you’re told here all the time.Have anymore good article links?

ESPN writer said,and I qoute- “(vick)was never a dynamic passer so if he doesn’t have his legs, pursuing the NFL could be a tough challenge”.unqoute

He’s a fast,strong armed player,but it takes alot more than that to be a great QB,and he just doesn’t have it.

By Vick Supporter

January 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Link to this

“Vick is known for two things: 1) Making something out of nothing; 2) Making nothing out of something. But Knapp doesn’t want to give his quarterback too much freedom. He doesn’t like audibles. He prefers to have something “built in,” adding, “That way, there’s less communicating going on just before the ball is being snapped.

Vick said he would like to audiblize more “down the road.” Any quarterback would. It’s his show. This team’s success always will hinge on Vick’s ability to create and make plays.”

Yet the Falcon fans are to dumb to realize that they wouldn’t let Vick audible………

By falcon21

January 28, 2009 5:08 PM | Link to this

T or C I agree, no way RG will let Vick back in the NFL in 09. He won’t let the NFL look bad and that’s what will happen with peta at every NFL game.VS Vick is known for three things, something to do with dogs.

By Jeff Garcia

January 28, 2009 5:54 PM | Link to this

I happen to like Gregg Knapp. He took a nobody like me and turned me into a Pro Bowl QB for a couple of years. Two best years I ever had was with him as my OC.

By falcon21

January 28, 2009 6:14 PM | Link to this

Jeff, T.O. had little to do with that when he was not raising he$$ on the sidelines.

By Truth or Consequences.

January 28, 2009 7:08 PM | Link to this

“Jeff Garcia” If Knapp developed you why did you achieve your “success” in TB under another OC?

By Jeff Garcia

January 29, 2009 1:53 AM | Link to this

Truth or Consequences, what? I don’t get your post. Am I to assume you haven’t looked at my stats? Also, what is the inspiration behind your screen name? Why did you choose it?

By RyanRules!!!!

January 29, 2009 11:53 AM | Link to this

Vick Supporter That’s funny,for most people, including those who don’t follow football, the two things vick is most known for is 1) Somking pot 2) fighting dogs

By MWC

January 29, 2009 2:29 PM | Link to this

VS…AKA, Hellen Keller

By Vick Supporter

January 29, 2009 4:14 PM | Link to this

RyanRules!!!!, you’re a f’ing b!*ch. Thats what you are.

By Reno 911

January 29, 2009 5:23 PM | Link to this

Way to keep it classy, bro.

By Dogbyte

January 29, 2009 5:35 PM | Link to this

VS & RyanRules ONE of the reasons that the posters are down on here is childish exchanges such as yours. Let’s keep it civil, shall we?

By Dogbyte.

January 29, 2009 8:04 PM | Link to this

ANOTHER reason posts are down is that Ledbetter has not posted a new blog since Christ was a corporal.

By D.Ellis

January 30, 2009 7:48 AM | Link to this

Dogbyte-Now that shi5 was funny!

On a side note UGA should call STEVE LAVIN for the open B-Ball job.

By D.Ellis

January 30, 2009 7:48 AM | Link to this

Dogbyte-Now that shi5 was funny!

On a side note UGA should call STEVE LAVIN for the open B-Ball job.

By Ken Strickland

January 30, 2009 9:06 AM | Link to this

I don’t see us drafting a DE or a CB before the 4th rd. Rookie DE Kroy Biermann came on strong the 2nd half of the season. He and DE Chauncey Davis could platoon at left DE, and would make a strong DE rotation along with John Abraham. The need to draft a LB in the 1st 2 rds would depend on whether we resign MBoley. LB Corey Wire showed very well against the run, but his cover skills make him one dimensional, like SS LMalloy.

The upcoming draft has been rated very strong in the Falcons’ primary areas of need, and that’s SS, TE and DT. With Dimetroff’s has proven that his skills as an evaluator of talent is as well developed as any scout in the NFL. If he decides to drafts a SS with the 1st pick, you can bet he’ll be aware of a DT or TE in the 2nd and 3rd rds that can get the job done. What we draft with out top picks will also be influenced by who we acquire through FA. If we sign a FA DT or SS, look for a TE and SS/DT to be taken with out 1st 2 picks.

I think it might be a mistake not to resign LB MBoley. Enev though he had an off yr, he’s proven what he can do and that he’s an every down LB. With LB Stephen Nicholas replacing Brooking, and MBoley being resigned, we would potentially have 2 playmaking OLB’s, with strong cover and pass rushing skills, and a young, strong, up and coming MLB in CLofton.

If GM Dimetroff and HC Smith can work their magic again this yr, we might see our OFF become even stronger, and our DEF become as strong as our OFF did this past season. Even though our schedule will be stronger, so will the Falcons, and on both sides of the ball. DON’T BE SURPRISED TO SEE THE FALCONS REPRESENTING THE NFC IN NEXT YRS SUPERBOWL. With the acquisition of a quality pass catching TE, we will have Probowl calibur players at almost every OFF skill position(QB, RB, WR).

By ray

January 30, 2009 10:55 AM | Link to this

Ken,

I was beginning to wonder if you still lived, I swear. Nice to be talking to someone who wants to talk Falcons football. As you can see, the boredom/lack of activity has produced the usual results….

I can see Pettigrew being our top pick, if he’s available. But he won’t be. Which means trading up to get him or something of that nature. Do you really think he’s worth trading up for? Just asking. I see your point, but I’d also very much like to see B.J. Raji….we need a good defensive lineman in there with Abraham. Badly.

By Dogbyte.

January 30, 2009 1:53 PM | Link to this

Ray I too, would like to talk Falcon football. But, how many times and in how many different ways can it be said that either Pettigrew or Rajji(if available)would be a good addition to the Falcon roster? If four score and seven is the answer, we have almost reached it.

By tyger

January 30, 2009 4:14 PM | Link to this

Falcoons 2009 Easy Button

1.24 Aaron Maybin, Penn State, 6’3, 254 Penn St.; Hybrid DE/OLB immediately upgrades the edges. With Boley, Anderson, Brookings in flux, some young legs and security there.

2.47 Clint Stintim, 6’3, 254, Va., DE/OLB, another high-end edge defender gives us options, depth and young legs on either side.

3.73 Nic Harris, 6’2, 233, Okla, SS/Robber adds another young striker and former teammate of Chris Lofton.

4.98 Dominique Johnson, 6’1, 192, JSU, CB, HBCU stud; 4.3 speed and big play ability.

5.112 Ron Brace, 6’3, 329, Boston College, DT, strengthens the defensive core; provides depth/options in the Lewis, Babineaux, Grady trilogy.

5.122. Brandon Jennings, 6’5, 245, Tx. Tech, DE/OLB; undersized playmaker; good metrics and production; 13 sacks 2008; very young.

6.145 Jackie Bates, 5’11, 185, Hampton, CB, another HBCU flyer clocking in at 4.39; adds sizzle to secondary.

Plus, Chauncey Davis, DE, Stephen Nichols, OLB, Trey Lewis, DT, David Irons, CB and Kroy Bierman, DE, Thomas Decoud, SS; all still in the mix and ready to play.

By Vick Supporter

January 30, 2009 4:29 PM | Link to this

Yes…..the time has come. Redemption is near……….

By Truth or Consequences.

January 30, 2009 5:54 PM | Link to this

Vick is serving a 23-month sentence at the federal penitentiary at Leavenworth, Kan., for his role in a dogfighting conspiracy. He is scheduled for release July 20 but could serve the last few months of his term at a halfway house in Newport News, his hometown. Vick in 09? He might make it to a half-way house in 09…if he can catch a ride.

“We believe he is ultimately going to be reinstated by the NFL,” said another Vick bankruptcy attorney, Michael Blumenthal. The operative word here is “ultimately”.

By Dogbyte

January 30, 2009 6:03 PM | Link to this

Tyger Good analysis but IMHO the list of re-signees MUST include Wire.

By mars

January 30, 2009 6:06 PM | Link to this

So, how’d that January 20th “redemption” thing work out for Vick? Any news, anyone?

Next question. When are we (Falcons Fans) going to get a new subject to discuss? D. Led, I’m also caling on your brethren Bradley, Moore and Schultz.

By Ken Strickland

January 30, 2009 6:47 PM | Link to this

RAY-what’s up my friend. I had to move back to the ATL to rerent my house, after evicting the tenant. After moving back in, I found another tenant the next day. I’ve settled back in and have access to my computer again.

To answer your question, NO. The Falcons don’t have to trade up to get the SS, DT or TE they need in this draft. Although Pettigrew is considered the best TE in the draft, our passing OFF doesn’t need the best TE. After all, our passing attack was pretty darn good last yr with a rookie QB and no quality receiving TE. The same holds true for DT. BJ Raji is rated the best run stuffing DT in the draft, but he’s not necessarily the best all around DT in the draft. This kid Jerry, from Ole Miss, had better numbers than Raji in almost every catagory. And he accumulated his numbers against reams from the country’s strongest conference, the SEC. He also did all of this after missing only one gm, while recovering from major surgery. He and a fully recovered TLewis might make a better combination for us.

DOGBYTE-the Falcon DEF is not in disarray, but lacks some key talent at certain positions. We don’t necessarily have to get a frontline or top rated DT or SS for us to become a solid DEF against the run and pass. Just look at the job our OL did, and 3 of our 5 linemen were a part of last yrs fiasco. I wouldn’t give up on DE JAnderson just yet, he’s just too athletic and versatile. However, instead of starting him, I’d just use him in the DT/DE rotation. If he doesn’t show any improvement at either position over the couse of the season, then I’d consider letting him go.

Isn’t it amazing how quickly and successfully things can be turned around when you have good coaching? We just witnessed the results of a HC that understood the merits of fitting a system around the talent. The previous 4yrs we got a chance to witness the pitfalls of 2 HC’s, Petrino and Mora, who tried to fit the talent into the system. The old square peg into the round hole.

By Dogbyte

January 30, 2009 7:28 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland

Welcome back, regardless of circumstances. You appear to know your football and are articulate in expressing those views. That said, I think you are mistaken in addressing me as if I think the Falcon D is in “disarray”. I have said, repeatedly, that I feel the Falcons need “tweaking” on both sides of the ball and that TD and Coach Smitty are capable of doing so without imput, or output, from us.

By Ken Strickland

January 31, 2009 12:50 AM | Link to this

DOGBYTE-my mistake. I owe you an apology. I’ve had limited computer access over the last 4wks, so I’ve been unable to monitor many comments. A lot of people just don’t know how close the Falcons are to becoming a permier team. I’ve read a few comments that made this yrs weak schedule an issue. They also said we will faulter due to a more difficult schedule next yr, and I completely disagree. If we start next season playing at the same level we ended last season, and improve as much during the season as we did last yr, we will be able to defeat anybody, anywhere.

Raji seems to be more of a run stuffer and a nose tackle. We already have that type of DT in GJackson, TLewis and KMoorehead. We are lacking a playmaking DT that can provide an inside pass rush. Jerry of Ole Miss seems to be that type of talent. The beauty of having an inside pass rush is what it does to the QB. A stong outside rush forces the QB to stepup into the pocket. A strong inside rush forces the QB to roll either left of right and hit his REC on the move. That’s especially effective against an immobile QB like PManning.

If we can upgrade our interior rushing DEF, we won’t need a permier run stuffing SS like LMalloy, who’s a liability in passing situations. There’s another thing to consider when judging DE JAnderson ability as a pass rusher. Playing next to GJackson, who’s certainly not a pass rushing threat, means he can be more easily double teamed. Next season might signal the beginning of an Atlanta Braves type of domination over the NFC South.

By Dogbyte

January 31, 2009 10:34 AM | Link to this

Ken

No apologies necessary. Again, welcome back to the fold. People who have reasonable opinions and the ability to express them are a welcome sight, and occurrence, here on the old blog.

By Matt Lauer

January 31, 2009 3:28 PM | Link to this

WHERE IN THE WORLD IS ORLANDO D. LEDBETTER?

By Matt Lauer

January 31, 2009 3:34 PM | Link to this

Or D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER for that matter.

By Ken Strickland

January 31, 2009 4:04 PM | Link to this

DOGBYTE-I backed off from posting because of the excessively negative comments and responses, especially those of a racially inspired nature. You’d think, after all the negative crap the Falcon organization has put us fans and this city through the last few yrs, there would be more positive attitudes, comments and responses with this yrs success. MVick is long gone, and you’d think anyone with an ounce of intelligence, and/or self respect, would see fit to let it rest and move forward, as I hope MVick will do.

Continuing to villify him, or hold him up as some sort of football savior/icon, is neither productive, rational or sane.

Man, I’m pumped about MRyan. One of the reasons I used last yr, for suggesting we draft Flacco instead of Ryan, was his stronger arm. I now understand the genius of Demitroff and Smith. They knew that accuracy was much more important, in the overall scheme of the OFF they intended to employ, than arm strength. The OFF balance, and potential ability of our passing and rushing OFF to be dominate, reminds me of the Falcon OFF under HC LBennett, with QB Bartkowski, RB’s HB LCain, FB WAndrews, WR’s AJackson, WFransis, AJenkins and TE JMiller. The OL of that team was far superior to our current one. OT’s MKenn and WBryant, C JDukes and OG BFralic, AWSOME.

If we can hold on to GM Demitroff and HC Smith for the next 7-10yrs, this Falcon franchise could easily become the NFC version of the New England Patriots. Here’s why I think we will be a dominate OFF next yr.

(1) We’ll start the season with our OL already establish and a yr of experience together. (2) QB MRyan will have a yr of experience, and knows what to expect from his OL, WR’s, and will have complete knowledge of the OFF and it’s terminology. (3) RB Michael Turner will start the season already established. He will know the OFF, it’s terminology, and what to expect from his OL.

(4) LT SBaker, who plays the 2nd most important OL position, behind OC, will be completely healthy, he’ll know the OFF and will have a yr of experience.

(5) Having a starting pass catching TE that can get downfield will open up our passing OFF. It also gives Ryan an additional pass receiving option, and will allow us to employ our no huddle OFF, at any time, without substituting.

(6) Instead of players and coaching staff trying to learn each other, the terminology, and system, like last season, they will be able to concentrate on refining what they’ve already mastered.

I have absolute confidence that Demitroff and Smith will acquire the DEF pieces we need to balance out next yrs team and make us a serious Superbowl contender.

By Dogbyte

January 31, 2009 4:38 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland I totally agree with your comments about the MV era. I was a big fan of MV as a football player BEFORE his off-field conduct ruined it for him, and us. I am now a huge fan of Ryan, although I didn’t want them to draft him. But, in that area—and others—TD and Coach Smitty showed they know what they are doing, and they are doing it!

Right now I’m just waiting for a Super Bowl(and Pro Bowl)in which I have little interest, to get out of the way so we can get to FA signings and the draft. I too, expect big things from the Falcons not only next year, but in the future. But, being a Falcon fan from the start, Lucy has pulled the ball away too many times for me to be completely comfortable. Finally though, our loyalty will be rewarded, I hope!

By Ken Strickland

January 31, 2009 6:28 PM | Link to this

DOGBYTE-it will happen. The only reason it didn’t happen with LBennett was because the ignorant(football wise), greedy Smith family wouldn’t spend the money to keep the foundation of the team together. That won’t be the case with ABlank. The difference between the 2 owners is the Smith’s only motive was to use the team as a tax writeoff for their insurance co. ABlank wants to be as successful as a football franchise owner as he was as a Home Depot cofounder. He’ll spend the money to keep the key players and key mgt personnel together.

Like you, I can’t wait for Free Agency to start. Who we acquire in FA will determine who we draft with our 1st 2 picks. With the success we had last yr, and the potential we’ve shown for the future, we won’t have much trouble attracting high level FA’s. DT, SS and LB(especially if we don’t resign LB’s Brooking and/or Boley) will likely be our FA targets. Adding a versatile, playmaking DT like Jerry, and the return of DT TLewis, should make us much stronger up the middle against the pass and the run. Upgrading our outside LB’s and adding a pass defending SS should make our DEF, and our overall team, STOUT. AS AN OVERALL TEAM, WE WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN NEXT YRS SCHEDULE. ANYONE THAT CAN PUT TOGETHER A TEAM IN ONE SEASON, AND ACCOMPLISHED WHAT WE DID, CAN CERTAINLY BE TRUSTED TO ADD A FEW UPGRADES THROUGH FA AND THE DRAFT.

By crabapplejoe

January 31, 2009 7:38 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland wrote: “With LB Stephen Nicholas replacing Brooking, and MBoley being resigned, we would potentially have 2 playmaking OLB’s, with strong cover and pass rushing skills” Other than the dropped easy interception against New Orleans, which cost us the game and a bye in the playoffs, exactly what “playmaking” skills did you see in M. Boley this year?

By Dogbyte

January 31, 2009 7:51 PM | Link to this

Ks Who do we add in FA? In another section the AJC shows Ray Lewis is a “possibility”. I find him quite interesting. Even though he is getting long in tooth, slower, etc. he is still one of the greatest LBs to ever play the game. And he DEMANDS the best from those around him. In other words, you would be getting leadership on the field. With Lewis and Milloy, we would have leadership +!!! If I were GM I would hire him(IF the price is doable)for those reasons and then when he hangs up his cleats, I’d make him LB coach.

By Dogbyte

January 31, 2009 7:58 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland In case you forgot during your hiatus, if you say anything remotely critical of Keith Brooking, Crabapplejoe will jump right in your %$#@!

By crabapplejoe

January 31, 2009 8:08 PM | Link to this

Hey Dogbyte, pi## off, we were talking about Michael Boley not KB56. I didn’t mention Brooking. Since you decided to join the conversation, maybe you can enlighten me on Boley’s “playmaking” ability that he supposedly exhibited this year. Didn’t think so…just thought I’d ask. You’re probably still trying to figure out a way to blame Brooking for Boley’s dropped interception. LOL

By Dogbyte

January 31, 2009 8:16 PM | Link to this

Crabapplejoe My sense of decency and fair play does not permit me to engage in verbal “duels” with those that are armed only with cap pistols.

By crabapplejoe

January 31, 2009 8:20 PM | Link to this

@Dogbyte…like I said…didn’t think so.

By Dogbyte

January 31, 2009 8:28 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland Hope to talk to YOU tomorrow. Right now, I’m going to let the place air out.

By crabapplejoe

January 31, 2009 8:32 PM | Link to this

Good riddance

By crabapplejoe

January 31, 2009 8:39 PM | Link to this

Dogbyte wrote: “In other words, you would be getting leadership on the field. With Lewis and Milloy, we would have leadership +!!! So you think our defensive leadership should consist of a LB convicted of complicity in a double murder of his fellow human beings here in Atlanta and a washed up safety who got burned like a California wildfire in our playoff game for two touchdowns. On top of that you didn’t want the Falcons to draft Matt Ryan. WOW…I’ll e-mail Coach Smith and see if we can get you hired as an assistant.

By MWC

January 31, 2009 9:40 PM | Link to this

Yo Ken,,from an old man…great job!!

By falcon21

January 31, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this

Joe ,what is it with you and KB? Is he your son? He is an ok LB but man chill out. He may be a good coach some day.

By crabapplejoe

February 1, 2009 12:36 AM | Link to this

@falcon21: I haven’t talked about KB56 tonight…its only you and Dogbyte that keep bringing him up…I don’t get it…did KB beat you up in high school or steal your girlfriend/wife….you two really have an obsession on this issue….I only posted about what a worthless LB M. Boley was this year…what does that have to do with Brooking? Never mind…I know the answer. ROTFLMAO..again

By Ken Strickland

February 1, 2009 1:09 AM | Link to this

CRABAPPLEJOE-I noticed whenever you referenced Boley you were very careful to use the words THIS YR. That shows you are well aware of the playmaking ability he’s exhibited in prior yrs. Adjusting to a new DEF scheme, a new HC and DC, along with his personal issues during the off season, could have affected Boley’s overall play THIS YR. And don’t forget, your beloved Keith Brooking could have made Boley’s miscues mute had he not blown his coverages against Arizona in the playoffs. Whatever your do, don’t develop tunnel vision(focusing exclusively on miscues) when it comes to Boley, and amnesia(conveniently forgetting to acknowledge his miscues) when it comes to Brooking. Look, I know how you feel. I felt the same way about MLB Jessie THE HAMMER Tuggle, but the truth was, it was time for him to step aside. I loved what he had done for the Falcons in the past, but he was no longer doing those things, and we were paying him a lot of money to do less. That’s what we’re facing with Brooking.

Brooking has been one of the best LB’s in Falcons history. I especially respect his willingness to put team needs 1st, when he switched to ILB in Wade Phillips 3-4 DEF. Then he showed his team 1st attitude and played MLB, a position he wasn’t best suited for, when we switched back to the 4-3. But all good things must come to an end, and Brooking is no longer the player he once was. The truth is, we can get better production and upside out of LB Stephen Nicholas, and for a lot less money and CAP space.

DOGBYTE-I’d stay clear of LB’s that flurished exclusively in a 3-4 DEF, even one of Ray Lewis’ calibur. Remember, we signed RLewis’ inside running mate to a FA contract to play MLB in our 4-3 DEF, and he was a total failure, even when healthy. Also, RLewis’ production has been directly tired to the DT that played in front of him. When the GOOSE retired, Lewis’ production fell down noticably. If fact, Lewis complained openly to mgt about not having a big butt to protect him. That’s when they made a big butt DT their #1 pick, and his production increased noticably. We don’t have the big butt to give him the protection he needs to be effective.

By Ed

February 1, 2009 1:43 AM | Link to this

A followup blog would have been nice.

By Truth or Consequences

February 1, 2009 8:42 AM | Link to this

You know when crabsnapplejoe is finally going to say something smart? When he quotes one of us.

By Dogbyte

February 1, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this

Ken

You are right about Lewis and that is my bad. It’s just that—in spite of his off-field stuff—he seems to get the most out of the players around him. Now I realize that LBs particularly in the 3-4 depend on DLs to keep blockers off of them. But, in that case, he has had some good ones to do that, during his career. However, we need help else where so I’ll drop him from my FA wish list.

By crabapplejoe

February 1, 2009 12:09 PM | Link to this

Ken Strickland wrote: “I felt the same way about MLB Jessie THE HAMMER Tuggle, but the truth was, it was time for him to step aside. I loved what he had done for the Falcons in the past, but he was no longer doing those things, and we were paying him a lot of money to do less. That’s what we’re facing with Brooking.” Nobody, including me and KB, believes that Brooking will be back at his contract salary next year. No player is as good at 32 as he was at 25 years old. And he may not start if we can find someone to replace his team leading tackles and leading solo tackles for the LBs. We don’t have that person now. Certainly not Michael Boley. As far as Boley having to “adjust” to a new HC & DC…didn’t everyone including KB have to do the same thing? I could care less about Boley’s off-field problems…he’s getting paid a lot of money to play football on the field. You state that we will get “better production” out of Stephen Nicholas…how do you know that? We’re talking about an individual who has made a grand total of 53 tackles in the NFL and one sack. Do you think our coaches are so stupid that they would have started Brooking over Nicholas this year if that were the case? As to your beloved Jesse Tuggle…his numbers over his last five years don’t come close to comparing with KBs numbers his last five years. I simply get tired of people coming on here and blasting Brooking. I have had some even say that he will not be in the Falcon’s Ring of Honor which is absurd. As far as the 3rd & 16 play…please answer me one question…who was Lawyer Milloy supposed to be covering on a play 23 yards deep to the TE in the middle of the field. I have asked that question numerous times on this forum and at Falcons.com and nobody has given me an answer. Curious. @Truth or Consequences ad hominem attacks are a waste of bandwidth on this forum…if you don’t have anything to say about football go make your comments on the Oprah Winfrey forum

By falcon21

February 1, 2009 12:16 PM | Link to this

Dogbyte what do you think about todays game? I would like to see Arizona win but I think Pittsburgh’s D will be to strong. 30-17.

By Dogbyte

February 1, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this

falcon21 If I’m pulling for anyone I guess it’s the Cardinals. But, I agree with you that the Steeler D will probably prevail.

By Truth or Consequences

February 1, 2009 1:12 PM | Link to this

Crapapplejoe sez: “ad hominem attacks are a waste of bandwidth on this forum…if you don’t have anything to say about football go make your comments on the Oprah Winfrey forum”

If what you say is true about “attacks” why do YOU open each of your posts with some kind of attack, or put down, of an individual instead of just joining the “discussion”. That is a rhetorical question since I know the answer. You are a dickhead.

As for joining the discussion on the Oprah forum, I have never watched Oprah and do not know what is discussed there. Apparently you do.

By Ken Strickland

February 1, 2009 3:56 PM | Link to this

CRABAPPLEJOE-again, I understand your passion for Brooking. Tuggle was an undrafted FA that was supposed to be too small to even play LB in the NFL, let alone MLB. As you know, he excelled at the position. I admired the drive and committment it took for him to accomplish what he accomplished, against the odds. He represented the little engine that could, so to speak. However, if you don’t relish having people bashing Brooking, maybe you should ease up on the bashing you’ve been doing, especially when it comes to MBoley. Remember, others may have the same attitude towards Brooking that you seem to have towards MBoley.

Every other time the Falcons have gone into the season with high expectations, they’ve fallen flat on our faces. We infamous GRITS BLITZ team collapsed after their season of success. The DIRTY BIRDS collapsed after our only Superbowl appearance and we collapsed when MVick broke his leg, after making the playoffs and beating the Packers in Green Bay in 02(MVicks 1st yr as starter). I don’t see that happening this season. Blank will spend the money to retain or replace our key FA’s(unlike the GRITS BLITZ team), and this teams OFF system isn’t as dependent on one player as those last 2 teams were(QB Mvick and RB JAnderson). Also, this yrs team will be adding key OFF players(like a pass catching TE), rather than losing them, like the previous teams did after their seasons of success.

I’d like to see us resign Brooking(at a much lower salary of course) because he deserves to experience the resurgence of the Falcons, since he endured most of the teams failures during his career. The same holds true for LMalloy. However, they would have to understand they wouldn’t be given automatic starter status, but would have to earn that destinction during training camp.

By falcon21

February 1, 2009 4:20 PM | Link to this

Someone explain to me what KB was suppose to be doing on 3rd and 16. Joe says Milloy is at fault and we all know Joe is always right. They are not going to run the ball so why guard the line?I guess KB was giving directions. As far as KB and Tuggle, it is Tuggle hands down. Anyone that thinks KB was better than Tuggle is out of his or her mind.

By crabapplejoe

February 1, 2009 4:24 PM | Link to this

@Ken Strickland Then we pretty much agree…Tuggle was a great story and I loved to watch him play. But I never heard the bashing of Tuggle that I see here with Brooking….and as I pointed out Brooking’s production in his last five years far exceeds what Tuggle was able to do his last five. Tuggle should be in the Ring of Honor as will be Brooking. I definitely don’t want Milloy starting next year…remember he’s a few years older than Brooking and a mistake at the SS spot often costs six points as we saw in the playoffs. I would rather see a younger free agent like Jim Leonhard come in at the SS spot. If the Falcons want to pay Milloy a few bucks to stick around and mentor the young ones that’s fine. He was great in his prime, but this ain’t his prime and he pretty much cost us a playoff win.

By Dogbyte

February 1, 2009 4:56 PM | Link to this

Ken

I, too, like Boling even though I am the first one to admit he had a poor year. But, looking back on how he played the previous year you can see that he is capable of playing at a high level. The problem will be keeping him around. I think his agent can get more for him than the Falcons are willing to spend to keep him. I hope I am wrong, but that is the way I see it. As for Nicholas, I look at him and see a lot of potential. He wasn’t ready to push Brooking to the sideline last season and I don’t know for sure that he will be ready this year. Who we pick up in FA and who we hold(Boling)will have a lot of bearing on that.

By crabapplejoe

February 1, 2009 4:59 PM | Link to this

@falcon 21: “The main weakness of the Cover 2 shell occurs in the middle of the field between the safeties. The safeties attempt to gain width upon the snap of the ball to cover any long passes to quick wide receivers down the sideline. This movement creates a natural hole between the safeties that can be attacked. By sending a receiver (usually a tight end) into the hole, the offense forces the safety to make a decision: play the vulnerable hole in the middle of the field or help out on the wide receiver. The quarterback reads the safety’s decision and decides on the best matchup (i.e. which mismatch is better: TE vs S or WR vs CB) As far as Tuggle and Brooking…both are five time pro-bowlers so I guess there are a lot of folks out there who “are out of their mind”. Brooking has 12 ints. in eleven years of playing…Tuggle had 6 in 14 years of playing. Tuggle played until he was 35. You want Brooking to retire at 33.

By Dogbyte

February 1, 2009 5:12 PM | Link to this

falcon21 NONE of us(on this blog) know whose man the TE was on that day. It depends on what defense was called on that play. BUT, with 16 yards to pick up, the LBs were in coverage. You can bet the farm on that. AND with instructions to “keep everything in front of you”. SOMEBODY didn’t do his job. Period.

By falcon21

February 1, 2009 5:32 PM | Link to this

Dogbyte,yep somebody didn’t do “his” job, point well taken!!!

By crabapplejoe

February 1, 2009 7:07 PM | Link to this

Dogbyte wrote: “BUT, with 16 yards to pick up, the LBs were in coverage. You can bet the farm on that. AND with instructions to “keep everything in front of you”.” Exactly, like the RB coming out of the backfield into the passing lanes. Both Brooking and Lofton came up to keep the RB in front of them if the pass went to him. Milloy didn’t rotate over fast enough (“lost a step” and all).

By crabapplejoe

February 1, 2009 7:21 PM | Link to this

“On the contrary, Dimitroff and colleagues are eyeballing and interviewing players who might one day help stop a third-and-16. They’re looking for a rampaging safety - like Pittsburgh’s Troy Polamalu, whom Dimitroff loves - or a difference-making linebacker of their own.” Look at who Dimitrov primarily lays the blame on. Looks like Milloy to me.

By Dogbyte

February 1, 2009 7:46 PM | Link to this

Crabapplejoe You are being very civil. Thank you. Now, let’s get back to THE play. You earlier gave a very good account of the cover 2 and how it works. But, were they in the Cover 2? Also, the LBs would normally cover RBs, but was that their assignment on this particular play?. In short, I think we should quit picking on Brooking AND Milloy until someone who is in the “know” tells us that one, or the other, was at fault. That ain’t going to happen.

By Dogbyte

February 1, 2009 7:53 PM | Link to this

I’m watching the game, as I am sure y’all are, and thinking what it would be like for Matt to have a Heath Miller type TE. in his arsenal. I know we need defense but we need a pass-catching TE too.

By Ken Strickland

February 1, 2009 8:38 PM | Link to this

CRABAPPLEJOE-I think the reason Tuggle received far less flack than Brooking is because he anchored a solid DEF that went to the Superbowl. The Falcon DEF has been very weak the last few yrs and people will always look for someone to blame for that. Since Brooking is oone of the most tenured players on the squad, and attended GA Tech, he’s the most likely one to be singled out, especially by UGA fans. Our issues concerning LB’s Boley, Brooking or Nicholas will be mute if we can solidify our interior DL, especially our interior pass rush. The more pressure we can generate on the QB, the less will be required of our LB’s in pass coverage. In fact, if we could produce a solid and consistent pass rush with our front 4, SS LMalloy would be much more effective. His coverage skills are probably limited to within 10yds. His problems start when he has to turn and run with a TE or RB. That’s why he was so mush more effective as a pass defender within the Redzone.

By crabapplejoe

February 1, 2009 9:15 PM | Link to this

Ken Stickland wrote: “I think the reason Tuggle received far less flack than Brooking is because he anchored a solid DEF that went to the Superbowl. The Falcon DEF has been very weak the last few yrs and people will always look for someone to blame for that.” That’s a great theory and I wish it were true….but Lawyer is older, been around longer, has “lost a step” (constantly applied to Brooking instead of the older Milloy) and certainly was to blame more than any other player for the loss in Arizona. Yet, you go to the threads and its Brooking this and Brooking that. Jamaal Anderson is an utter bust and you see less criticism of him than Brooking. Boley had a terrible year and lost us a key game. Yet, you see more criticism of Brooking than Boley. The conclusion I come to is that Brooking kinda stands out amongst the defense if you know what I mean. I think it may be the same bias that has the fans not voting the leading receiver in the NFL the past two years to the pro-bowl. I could be wrong of course, but you do have to ask yourself why the individual who has caught more passes than anyone else in the biggest show in football doesn’t even get voted to the pro-bowl.

By crabapplejoe

February 1, 2009 9:24 PM | Link to this

Hmmmm…did you just see Cardinal RB Arrington come out of the backfield at the last minute catch a short pass and pick up 22 yards…..where were the Steeler LBs…ever seen a play developing like that before. ROTFLMAO

By Ken Strickland

February 2, 2009 10:10 AM | Link to this

CRAVAPPLEJOE-always remember, players from UGA and GA Tech will always receive more flack from fans of the rival school. It’s not always a reflection of the player’s ability or worth, but a product of the normal adversarial and competetive nature of those respective fans. Lawyer Malloy isn’t a grad of either school so he doesn’t stir any competitive or adversarial juices among the UGA or GA Tech faithful.

I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR ANYONE WHO CONSIDERS THEMSELVES A FALCON FAN TO UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE PLAYER COST US OUR CHANCE TO ADVANCE IN THE PLAYOFFS. WE WON 11 GMS AND QUALIFIED FOR THE PLAYOFFS AS A TEAM, AND WE WERE ELIMINATED AS A TEAM. WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ENOUGH OF THAT FINGER POINGING CRAP WITH THE FAILURES OF OUR LAST 2 HC’s. THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS DIMETROFF AND SMITH CLEARED THE ROSTER OF SEVERAL PROBOWL CALIBUR PLAYERS.

FOR THE 1ST TIME SINCE 2004, WHEN WE WON THE NFC SOUTH TITLE AND ADVANCED TO THE NFC TITLE GM, THAT IT’S FEELS REALLY GOOD TO BE A FALCON FAN.

By Supes

February 2, 2009 1:43 PM | Link to this

Maybe now that the season is over we can get a new blog? ODB…how about it? New blog time?

We can focus on FA, as well as the draft?

By Reno 911

February 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this

No kidding. If you read only this blog, you might have no idea that Keith Brooking was about the 15th most important player for the Falcons this year, and about the 20th most important looking forward into 2009. Let’s put this stuff to bed, man.

By Ken Strickland

February 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this

After our GM and coaching staff finish evaluating film of our DEF’s overall performance, what do you think their conclusinns will be. Do they think upgrading the DL will be their primary approach to resolving our problems defending the run and the pass? Or, will they consider upgrading our LB’s and secondary a priority? How much of an impact do they think the return of a healthy (DT) Trey Lewis will have on our DL? What about the return of a healthy (CB) Vaughn Hutchins?

Without knowing what mgt will do about FA LB’s Brooking and Boley, our primary needs are DT, SS, TE, LB and maybe DE. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EXCITING OFF SEASON.

By BlawgDawg

February 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Link to this

crabapplejoe One problem with your explanation on what happened with Milloy not “rotating” and Brooking coming up. If the linebackers are supposed to keep it in front of them, why come up on a guy that doesn’t have the ball and hasn’t even been pump-faked to? And while your coming up on that RB, who doesn’t have the ball, you let the TE run right by you, he gets behind you and makes the conversion. So, it was a mistake by Brooking that allowed the conversion, I however don’t blame the loss on him, since there was plenty of other plays in the game that contributed to the outcome. It was KB’s bad play that allowed the 3rd and 16 conversion however.

Milloy’s job isn’t to rotate to the middle in that situation, since it was a Cover 2, Milloy’s responsibility is deep/outside.

By Reno 911

February 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Link to this

“if the horse is dead, dismount”

             -Po Folks menu

By Truth or Consequences

February 2, 2009 6:10 PM | Link to this

I agree, Reno 911. We have beaten this subject into horse burger and no one on either side has been “converted”.

Will it ever end? Only PP&M know.

By crabapplejoe

February 2, 2009 6:57 PM | Link to this

@Blawgdawg I’ll ask it one more time (I think this is the eighth time on AJC and Falcons.com with no answer to date)….then who the heck was Milloy covering on the play? Was it the tuba player in the endzone….the beer boy in isle D-1 or a Cardinal cheerleader. Nobody has ever answered the question. If you do come up with an answer then Milloy was doing a damn poor job covering that individual since he was right there when the TE caught the ball….just a little late. Please read the description of Cover 2 at my post at 4:59 yesterday (not my language). Note that it describes the 3rd & 16 play almost to a tee and there is no mention of the LB position. It describes how the quarterback reads the safety with a TE coming deep into the middle of the field.

By Truth or Consequences

February 2, 2009 7:12 PM | Link to this

Oh, if you put it that way!

By falcon21

February 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Link to this

As we all know Arizona has pretty good WR’s and at that point in the game you cannot give up a TD.It is tough for a CB to cover a good WR one on one.If it was zone or man to man in my opinion Milloy had the deeper coverage and made one heck of a play to get back and make the tackle. KB was standing in no mans land covering grass I guess. When he realized he let the TE get behind him, to his credit he tried to get back but it was to late. I think in that situation Milloy’s first responsibilty was to give the CB’s help. That being said,there is no way can anyone answer Joe’s question to his liking.

By Truth or Consequences

February 2, 2009 8:45 PM | Link to this

falcon21 I love ya man, but you are whizzin against the wind.

By falcon21

February 2, 2009 8:53 PM | Link to this

T or C you are right man but had to give it one last try. This sh$$ gets old, so I will let it go!!!

By crabapplejoe

February 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Link to this

@falcon 21: Just give me a name….who was Milloy covering on the play….pick the right tackle’s name for goodness sake…just give me a name (my ninth request and still no name). LOL. Same thing happened last night in the SB…Polamalu bit on an out route and Fitzgerald went into the middle of the field for what might have been the winning TD. Sh## happens. Milloy didn’t get their in time. Its time for a more “athletic” SS. The difference is that Polamalu hadn’t already been burned for two TDs in the game like Milloy had.

By falcon21

February 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Link to this

Whizzin against the wind. T or C you got it.

By crabapplejoe

February 2, 2009 9:21 PM | Link to this

didn’t think so

By crabapplejoe

February 2, 2009 11:11 PM | Link to this

I can try to make this easier for you: “Lawyer Milloy was covering ____ on the 3rd & 16 play against the Cardinals”….all you have to do is fill in the blank. This makes ten times I’ve asked the question….still waitin’

By Ken Strickland

February 3, 2009 12:26 AM | Link to this

CRABAPPLEJOE-the season is over and the Steelers won the Superbowl. Let’s move forward and try to speculate what our coaches and GM will do to make certain we don’t suffer the same playoff fate we suffered this past season. Fixating on who did what last season is pointless at the juncture. Let’s move forward to the future.

Read the scouting report on this DT Jerry from Ole Miss and then compare it, and his numbers, to those of Raji of Boston College. Then tell me which one do you think is the better choice to solve our problems with defending the run and rushing the QB. Personally, I think Jerry is the more complete player and offers a better solution to both problems. If we used a 3-4 DEF, or run DEF was our only problem, then Raji would be a better choice.

By ray

February 3, 2009 7:54 AM | Link to this

Dogbyte,

Just caught your post from back on the 30th. That was funny!

Ken,

I realize we don’t have to trade up to get good guys. I just figure if Dimitroff wants somebody bad enough, he’ll do that to get them, assuming it’s a reasonable deal. It’s true in the NFL draft that you don’t need the top picks in the draft to get good guys. I’ve heard of this Peria Jerry guy, too. He’s pretty damn good. There were some character questions and what not, but those are likely overblown and not worth obsessing about. We’ll see what happens.

In the meantime, we really don’t have much to discuss.

By Ken Strickland

February 3, 2009 9:12 AM | Link to this

RAY-can’t argue with that. Maybe if the AJC writers would get off their collective butts and give us some updates, we’d have more to discuss. What about the rumor we might be interested in trading for Oaklands Probowl CB Nnamdi Asomugha? If we successfully make that trade, we will have exchanged disgruntled CB with them(DHall for NAsomugha). Asomugha is bigger(6’2” 210lbs) and better than Hall. Trade CB CHouston and a future pick or two and we would have aome serious CB’s in Asomugha and Foxworth, with VHutchins and CJackson backing them up.

Adding a talented, versatile DT like Peria Jerry, and teaming him up with a talented wide body like TLewis(323lbs), will definitely improve our rushing DEF and interior pass rush. I just had a thought about something I said earlier about Lawyer Malloy’s limited cover skills. Maybe he’s not as limited as I 1st thought. Remember, he was one of our leading tacklers because he was used in the box, as an extra LB, to support our weak interior run DEF. Playing in the box, and playing the run 1st, would limit any SS’s ability to cover TE’s and RB’s coming out of the backfield.

Improving our interior rushing DEF would allow him to play off the line and get into pass coverages quicker and easier. If the coaching staff sees it that way, Malloy might return for another yr as our starting SS. If we don’t resign LB’s Brooking and/or Boley, we’ll be left with one starting LB from last season, 2nd yr MLB CLofton. That would leave us thin, young and inexperienced at LB. That’s why I can see us resigning Brooking, if he agrees to take a pay cut, and allow him to mentor the other LB’s, the same with SS LMalloy.

I GUESS I HAD A LITTLE MORE TO TALK ABOUT THAN I THOUGHT, HE HE.

By crabapplejoe

February 3, 2009 12:23 PM | Link to this

@Ken Strickland: I think we need to get the best available DE rather than a DT with our first draft choice. Abraham is great but he’s getting old and banged up and will probably play even less next year. Jamaal Anderson gives us nothing at the position and should probably be moved inside, traded or let go. I think we should try to get a SS in the FA market…someone like Jim Leonhard of the Ravens…they are very deep at the position. If we can improve the D line it will allow the LBs to make more plays than they did this year. Just my two cents.

By ray

February 3, 2009 12:42 PM | Link to this

Ken and CrabappleJoe,

Good comments.

By Ken Strickland

February 3, 2009 7:02 PM | Link to this

CRABAPPLEJOE-we need an upgrade at DT more that DE. We aren’t that bad off at DE, as far as potential is concerned. Like I said before, Kroy Biermann came on strong the 2nd half of the season, especially as a pass rusher. Rushing the passer is his strong suit and the reason he was drafted. DE Chauncey Davis was consistent and did a good job, although he wasn’t spectular.

Having 2 strong pass rushing DE’s can be effectively neutralized if their’s no inside rush. Without the inside rush, the QB will just step up into the pocket and do his thing. If you get an inside and an outside pass rush, the QB can’t step up into the pocket and he’ll have to do his thing on the run. If the inside and outside rush comes from the right side of the DEF, if forces the QB to scramble to his right. Forcing the QB to run laterally cuts the field in half. Throwing to the other half of the field would require him to throw across his body, which affect accuracy, velocity and distance.

Although DE JAnderson has been a disappointment as a pass rusher, he’s been strong against the run. Teams hurt us rushing to the inside, not the outside. Upgrading the DE position won’t help our weak interior run DEF, or our lack of an interior pass rush.

You can use a LB to get an outside rush, but you need a DT to collapse the pocket. I believe if we switch DE JAnderson to DT, with a little training and experience, he could end up being an Alan Page type of DT, just not as good.

By Josh M

February 4, 2009 8:49 AM | Link to this

We could have had Patrick Willis. I want to throw up.

By Ken Strickland

February 4, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this

JOSH M-I also thought we needed a MLB more than a DE. We’ve been hurting at the position since we forced Jessie Tuggle into retirement. Of course, there’s no way of measuring the impact Singletary has had on Willis’ development. If I was a MLB, and wanted to really excel, being coached and mentored by an HOF MLB like singletary would inspire me to go through brick walls. Singletary’s character and intensity was on a level with his talents.

In case anybody’s noticed, the 49ers have been having ongoing attitude and performcnce problems among its players, since the days of TO, simular to the Cowboys and Bengals. While the media made a big deal out of Singletary’s emotional way of dealing with the problem, 49er mgt apparently recognized it was just what the doctor ordered, and made him their perminant HC. It also seems that any HC that’s associationed, or been associated, with the Bears organization seems to always have problems with the QB position. MDitka had problems throughout his career, and both LSmith and MSingletary are currently having problems. Just food for thought.

By djtruk

February 5, 2009 3:19 PM | Link to this

Let’s go for Big Mike Johnson and put him as the other DE. He can cross the road from GA TECH and would be a great addition to a good team.

By The Grinch

February 5, 2009 3:58 PM | Link to this

With Weiner’s retirement, I think that narrows down what area we’re gonna address first.

By Vick Beleaver

February 5, 2009 5:21 PM | Link to this

Where is MIKE VICK on the Falcons’ radar?

Atlanta need MIKE VICK!!!

By TheManMike

February 5, 2009 6:38 PM | Link to this

Wonderful - Comments!

I also wish that the Falcons Beat Blog would actually have a tap a beat. The Braves offseason blog was exploding and has been extremely active. I understand there are actual transactions and rumors taking place, I am merely saying “The Beat goes on…” - You know, like COPS.

It is nice to see comments being left here, i hope an AJC.com Sports Writers manager takes a peak and realizes WE WANT A BEAT BLOG WRITTER THAT IS INTERESTED AND INTRIGUING! Please?

Anyway - I know this thing will blow up once Free Agency begins and the voices stop talking Super Bowl or Pro Bowl and start talking Scouting Combine and Free Agency….sweet words with our new upper management, is’nt it?

And i won’t even go there on the other issue - except to say the 5:21pm post from VB is either a joke or just….well funny. (The name that is.)

Oh yea, and i think Kroy Biermann is a stud and will come back next season a beast. He needs to add bulk and i think he will do just that, as will Ryan. You remember how skinny Manning looked his first year?

Enjoy - And Good Spirits!

By Ken Strickland

February 5, 2009 8:34 PM | Link to this

THEMANMIKE-KBiermann can be a very effective DE at 250lbs. Two of the NFL’s best pass rushing DE, Indy’s Mathis and Freeney, have led the NFL in sacks, and they’re in that wt range. They also play the run well. If our DT’s can solidify the middle, Biermann can be avery effective against the run. Speed, quickness, technique and instinct are more important that size when playing DE, especially in a 4-3 DEF.

Abraham is no longer used as an every down DE. He is used primarily in passing situations. We can do the same with KBiermann. A situational rotation of Biermann, Abraham, Davis and Anderson would make us solid on the edges. The OFF/DEF systems, and the quality of coaching we have, has allowed former 2nd tier players like RT TClaybo and RG HDahl to excel. After a yr of experience under his belt, another off season and training camp, KBiermann should be very much improved.

The improvement of next yrs team will be the result of the improvement and confidence of our returning players more than the new talent we will add.

By TheManMike

February 6, 2009 8:25 AM | Link to this

Ken - Agreed on the size deal, though we must believe he will add weight, i noticed a few times he was slapped around. He almost seems a little too light for his tenacity, seemed to almost be fighting against himself at times. But i agree on the speed aspect. We have seen this happen in Baseball recently where players want to add bulk to hit for power but end up simply becoming slower and to the detriment of themselves and their team. Good point there bud.

What are you thoughts on Ryan bulking up a bit? Would not want to lose the bit of speed he has now, but you always want extra padding for those crushing blows - especially with the newer, faster and stronger LB’s and SS’s in the league smashing QB’s into the grass. Or turf.

By Ken Strickland

February 6, 2009 1:10 PM | Link to this

THEMANMIKE-DE JAnderson has excellent size, strength and speed to play the position, and he’s used those attibutes well to defend the run. His problem is he lacks the instincts and technique to be an effective pass rusher. Mathis was a small collete LB. Dungy moved him to DE to back up Freeney. After learning Freeney’s pass rushing techniques, Mathis joined Freeney as one of the NFL’s top pass rushers.

Both JAnderson and KBiermann have the same opporturity to learn from one of the best in JAbraham. Both should spend hours watching film of him doing his thing. Abraham uses a combination of strength(the cause of his many strained amd pulled muscles), speed and technique. Each one should take from Abraham what best suits there physical skills and use it. Their improvement could make a tremendous difference in the Falcons becoming an elite DEF team.

This is a time to be excited about the Falcons and their future. The negative issues or the past, and their effects, should be things of the past, at least for intelligent well adjusted fans. Any Falcons fan that is unable to find something positive to discuss about this team, after the season we just had, either isn’t a Falcon fan, or has issues that aren’t football related. Owner ABlank hired a solid GM, who hired a solid HC who in turn hired solid assistant coaches. Together they’ve established a team with a solid foundation.

By Joe

February 15, 2009 7:31 PM | Link to this

The Falcons should move Anderson to TE, the position he played some at Arkansas. He would make a BIG BLOCKING TE. for the running attack. Then they should draft or sign a free agent BIG defensive tackle and a fast, mobile and big DE and a fast linebacker, and a big fast safety. Also, sign a pass catching TE. Then they would be good to go to the playoffs again.