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DEL.ICIO.USPro Bowl Birds on the wing
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
No surprise that Falcons’ tight end Alge Crumpler and cornerback DeAngelo Hall were named to the Pro Bowl, although Hall has not had the type of season he or a lot of other people had expected after closing out the 2005 season so strongly.
However, there could be some debate over the omission of quarterback Michael Vick and possibly linebacker Keith Brooking, whose run of five straight Pro Bowl appearances ended.
The NFC quarterbacks were Drew Brees, Marc Bulger and Tony Romo. It’s kind of hard to argue the impact those three have made but Vick has thrown a career-high 19 touchdown passes (several have been dropped) and is 10 yards shy of being the first quarterback to run for 1,000 yards.
In regards to Brooking, the guy is a flat-out, productive workhorse who loves playing the game, maybe more than anybody on the team. His 120 tackles are 8th in the NFL and second in the NFC.
However, outside linebacker Lance Briggs (Chicago), Seattle’s Julian Peterson and Dallas’s DeMarcus Ware are every bit worthy of their selection. I was stunned not to see Saints OLB Scott Fujita not make the cut.
Brooking could have been impacted by bouncing back and forth between middle and outside linebacker, which stemmed from MLB Ed Hartwell’s in-and-out playing status (Achilles’ tendon, knees surgeries).
Crumpler, although not having the type of season he has last year, along with co-Pro Bowler Jeremy Shockey of the Giants, clearly are the class of the NFC tight ends. Crump has 47 catches and a career-high seven touchdown catches.
Hall, meanwhile, has four interceptions but he has not had any since the Falcons’ 27-14 loss to the Giants in Game 5.
Hall has been very solid, especially in run support, but his most notable activities have been ripping off the helmet of Detroit quarterback Jon Kitna, getting beat deep by the Saints Devery Henderson and allowing two touchdown passes last week to the Cowboys’ Terrell Owens, who accentuated things by spitting in Hall’s face.
Comments
By T-Town Dawg
December 19, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
Personally, I think that Grady Jackson is the only Falcon that deserves to go to the Pro Bowl. He has been consistent all year. You cannot say that about anyone else on this mediocre team. It would be a crime if Vick or DHall goes. Vick due to inconsistency and DHall just because he sucks. I do not think that Brooking is as over rated as some of these bloggers make him out to be, but he is not Pro Bowl worthy either. I vote for Big Grady.
By Holy Cow
December 19, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this
What an outrage! I cannot believe the Falcons would have so few Pro Bowlers.
By Fan from NY
December 19, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this
Vick should have went in definetely. Atleast instead of D-Fall.
By FalconsFanHere
December 19, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
Crumpler makes it, okay…personally, I think he’s had a so-so year but that’s just because I expect so much out of him. I haven’t forgotten about those drops, especially in the end zone. But DHall making it, c’mon. Must be a weak year at corner to put him on the team.
And Bulger over Vick…NO WAY! And I totally agree that the big man Grady Jackson has been the best player on D for us this year and should have been picked.
By e.b.
December 19, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
D-Hall is one of the best in the biz. Name 5 other DB’s other than Champ bailey that are better than D-Hall?
By T-Town Dawg
December 19, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
Holy Cow,
By T-Town Dawg
December 19, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
e.b., What are you smoking. DHall has been abused this year. Hines Ward, Roy Williams, TO. No, these are not corners that are better than DHall, they are 3 receivers that torched his A$$ this year though. He is an over rated, loud mouth thug.
By jokurone
December 19, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this
unbelieveable vick is not going. what does a guy have to do. i disagree with D hall going the guy has been burned most of the season.
By Jon
December 19, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
There’s no such thing as shutdown corners anymore, except maybe for Champ Bailey. Deangelo might be overrated but there aren’t very many better than him. Right now the top receivers (TO, Moss, Harrison, Smith, C. Johnson, R. Wayne) are just better than the guys covering them.
By bron bron
December 19, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
You are by far the worst beat writer in the country for any team(professional or college). All you do is consistently repeat blogs and comments in your articles. YOU SUCK.
By bronson
December 19, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE PRO BOWL YOU IDIOT
By Jeff D
December 19, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
e.b.,
Give me Champ Bailey, Rashean Mathis, Pac-Man Jones (w/o the off-field crap), Chris McAllisterm, Ronde Barber and Terrance Newman before D. Hall.
By Thane
December 19, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
To e.b.: Ronde Barber, Lito Sheppard, Rashean Mathis, Antoine Winfield, Asante Samuel, Chris McAlister, Adam Jones, Nnamdi Asomugha, Charles Woodson.
By chichi
December 19, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
Man D.Hall had a strong start but a sloppy finish ah who cares
By Cap
December 19, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
This will officially be my last season as a Falcons fan. I hope Michael Vick will get traded away like Allen Iverson did from Philly. I would hope he wouldn’t get stuck with a crackpot franchise but he will probably take David Carr’s place to stop the fan mutiny for Houston not drafting Vince Young. But hey Falcons Fans, you will be receiving the services of DAVID CARR!!! AREN’T YOU EXCITED!!!! I am not even mad that Tony Romo made it to the Pro Bowl after 8 starts. But to have Michael Vick snubbed from the Pro Bowl in favor of MARC BULGER?!? Vick has as many TD passes as Bulger, a better record as QB, plus 1000-yds rushing and 2 TDs. Yes this is a travesty and it is egregious to also have Steven Jackson and Torry Holt selected to the Pro Bowl. But the ultimate slap in the face is to have Alge Crumpler voted in (AS A STARTER!!) and DeAngelo Hall as a starter as well. My world is upside down right now. If Vick doesn’t go from the Falcons, no one from the Falcons should go. If Crumpler hadn’t dropped so many passes, would Vick have gone to the Pro Bowl? If D-Hall hadn’t gotten burnt as many times, would the Falcons have been able to stick to the offense, have won a couple more games, and Vick go to the Pro Bowl? And Crumpler and Hall are friends of Vick. How are they going to look the other Pro Bowlers in the eye knowing how much they and other Falcons let Vick down.
By bill
December 19, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
D -Shut Down- Hall a Pro Bowler? You got to be kidding me…it’s not a vote for results, it’s all perception.
He’s better than any other d’back we have, but he’s been following a lot of receivers into the end zone this year (that would be a touchdown for the opposing team)!
By Mark
December 19, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Vick didn’t have anything near a Pro Bowl year.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Falcons fan, I completely agree. The Bulger selection is idiotic. Eli Manning deserved to go more than Bulger. If Bulger is going, why do they have voting in the first place? Just take the guys with the top three passer ratings, the top three rushers in each conference, the two WRs with the most catches and the two WRs with the most yardage. Crumpler is going but not Vick? I can’t stomach the Falcons anymore. Trade Vick and build a new stadium up in Hall County or wherever the hillbillies want it. I’m done.
By David
December 19, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
I would not have voted for Hall or Crumpler for starters at their positions. Both of those guys are overrated. Crumpler doesn’t deserve a starting spot for all of the drops that he’s had this season. I CAN’T BELIEVE HE IS THE STARTING TIGHT END. JEREMY SHOCKEY OF THE GIANTS IN MY OPINION IS A MUCH MORE ACCOMPLISHED PLAYER AND MUCH MORE DESERVING STARTER THAN CRUMPLER BECAUSE OF CRUMPLERS MANY DROPPED PASSES. THERE WAS ONE GAME THIS SEASON WHERE CRUMPLER HAD EIGHT DROPS IN A SINGLE GAME. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CUT FOR THAT PERFORMANCE BUT INSTEAD HE IS REWARDED A STARTING POSITION IN THE PRO BOWL. THAT IS A JOKE AND A COMPLETE FARCE. Hall is a jerk and an idiot and should not be starting at corner in the pro bowl. In the New Orleans game right before halftime, on a hail mary pass in Hall’s direction he acted as though he was helpless when he could have batted the ball down. Neither one of those jerks deserve starting positions because they both are punks and should not be starting in the Pro Bowl in Honolulu Hawaii this season. They haven’t earned starting positions and are getting to Hawaii because the fans stuffed the ballots with their names.
By Squirrel
December 19, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
As a 3 decade Falcon Fan I can assure you there are 5 more DB’s better, even without Champ Bailey, follow along Dre’ Bly (Lions) Nate Clements (Bills) Antonio Cromartie (S.D.) Chris Gamble (Carolina) Dunta Robinson (Texans) Quentin Jammer (S.D.) Pacman Jones (Titans ) Chris McCallister (Ravens) Terence Newman (Dallas) Lito Sheppard (Philly) Ronde Barber (T.B.) There are 11 CB’s in my opinion that are better than D.Hall, they may not make the Pro Bowl, as we all know that is a popularity contest, but I would take any of the above over D.Hall
By I am the decider
December 19, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
While I agree with bronson, I do have some issues with D Hall. Although everyone talks about how great he is, he does get beat one on one more than he should. So, why doesn’t he have help on that side? I guess one reason may be because the other corner is terrible, but since Hall is expected to cover the number one guy and the receiver may be 5-6 inches taller and heavier there could be a little help deep. But that is for Donatell to figure out.
By rian
December 19, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
So let me get this straight. Vick throws 19 TDs in 14 games to receivers that nobody outside of Atlanta knows and gets the snub. Bulger is throwing to pro bowler Torry Holt and one of the best #2s in the league in Isaac Bruce and throws 19 TDs through 14 games and gets in. Oh yeah Vick also broke the single season QB rushing record that has been on the books for 28 YEARS. Can Bulger do anything that no other individual has been able to accomplish in 28 years? I think not. Also guys, remind me which QB has led their team to a better record. Something smells fishy. Who thinks this has to do with flickin’ a bird at the fans?
By kenny d
December 19, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this
roddy white should be in the pro bowl without a doubt
By kenny d
December 19, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this
the reality is that this team does not have any pro bowl starting worthy players. Crump is the only legit Pro Bowler on this team. Thank you for nothing Mr. McKay
By rian
December 19, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this
Oops! I forgot Romo. This guys throws 10 picks in 7 starts and gets voted to the pro bowl. The guy has thrown more picks than BRUCE GRADKOWSKI. For comparison Vick has thrown 11 picks in 14 starts. Think about that. Vick has started twice as many games as Romo and thrown one more pick. I don’t care if he threw 5 TDs on Thanksgiving. This is a farce!! FGoodell kept Vick out of the Pro Bowl for flicking off the fans.
By a k
December 19, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this
How can Vick not make the pro bowl, he has passed for 19 TDs, rushed for a couple more and he is 10 yds away from 1000 rushing yards. Marc Bulger is going to the pro bowl, please. what has he done with 2 big time recivers, give vick Holt and Bruce and see what he can do with it. Romo hasn’t played the whole season and shouldn’t be in the pro bowl either. Just wait till next year when he is going to stink up the place. he just sneaked up on people that’s all. I DON’T CARE WHAT VICK HATERS SAY, HE SHOULD BE PRO BOWL BOUND…
By badboy
December 19, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this
I want all you all to not forget Vick throwing up the finger at the fans. If he didn’t do maybe he would be in the Pro Bowl. forget the stats, the finger sticks out more…..
By Joe
December 19, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
No surprise, for Hall??? This guy gets smoked each and every week. He is, with about a doubt, the most overrated corner in the NFL.
By ESPN
December 19, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
WHERE IS YOUR ALMIGHTY VICK? Told you all year he sucks. LMAO
By dirrtybird
December 19, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this
D-Hall to the Pro Bowl? Might as well take Jason Webster too.
By I'm not happy
December 19, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this
Vick should have made the Probowl. The NFC have NO shot to beat the AFC period! Brees earned his bid, Bulger earned his bid as well…but Romo is unproven and will disappoint in the Probowl. VICK can make amends to the NAYSAYERS by going to the Playoffs and making some noise!!!!
By Lynne
December 19, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this
Aw H*ll, here we go……all the Vick haters are crawling out from under their rocks because YEAH! Xmas came early for’em this year. They have something to cheer because Lord knows he didn’t provide any ammo from the Dallas game. Awww, let’s see, who will be the first to scream for the trade, or start talking about not reading defenses or (my personal favorite) his braids, dress, bling, doo-rag…..I know the haters won’t disappoint. They feed off negativity. So again, thanks AJC….by tomorrow morning, once again, the entire world will be able to see the stupidity of the so-called “been a fan since the days of Jim Crow” nitwits who will celebrate the QB not making the Pro Bowl. But I don’t want them to have too much fun, so haters how’s this….Vick has a really sweet Bentley, saw it at a car show, I’m sure he thanks you for it. There, now go be mad cuz he’s filthy rich and all you have is the ability to insult him on a blog.
By Slinky
December 19, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this
To quote from many of the “huggers” defense of Vick’s selection last year:
“The coaches and players each have 2/3 of the vote; Vick deserves to be in the Pro Bowl because the ones that know football selected him.”
Stop hating on Bulger and Romo, the true experts have spoken this year. Don’t look like fools and dispute you own arguments.
By T.O.
December 19, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this
D-Hall is a nggr
By Blind Homer
December 19, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this
Cap, you are a complete moron. Vick for Carr? Eli Manning? 59% completions and a terrible TD to INT ratio, he sucks under pressure in case you haven’t noticed. D Hall sucks too and has been lit up more than my 20 year old Xmas lights, and Romo isn’t close to Vick in talent yet. He does have a better coach, receivers, O line and defense though!
By good coach
December 19, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this
THE PRO BOWL IS BECOMING A JOKE. THE PLAYERS WHO PERFORM ON THE FIELD DO NOT GET SELECTED. HOW CAN D HALL FROM ATLANTA MAKE THE PRO BOWL? DONALD DRIVER FROM THE PACKERS MAKE IT AND ANOTHER RECEIVER HAS FOUR MORE TDs THAN HIM NOT MAKE IT? IT DOES NOT MAKE FOOTBALL SENSE. THE VOTING SHOULD BE RESERVED TO OWNERS, GM, COACHES AND PLAYERS. AS WE KNOW MOST FANS DO NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT MERIT ON THE FIELD. MOST FANS WILL DISLIKE A PLAYERS BECAUSE OF HIS RACE, IF THE PLAYER CELEBRATE, IF THE PLAYER IS OUTSPOKEN, OR IF THE PLAYER HAS OFF THE FIELD ISSUES. THE PRO BOWL, ALL STAR GAME, ALL OF FAME SHOULD BE BASED ON WHAT TRANSPIRED ON THE FIELD …..FANS DO NOT GO TO THE GAME TO WATCH WHO HAS THE BEST IQ, THE BEST CHARACTER, OR WHO IS THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR NOBEL PRIZE, FANS ATTEND GAMES TO BE ENTERTAINED…
By WallStBro
December 19, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this
T.O., your mother! Now that I’ve addressed the ignorant one, I agree that Vick should’ve made it, as opposed to Deangelo Hall. While the reality of the matter is Vick will probably make the team as an alternate, he’s having virtually a career year, despite the many dropped passes. In contrast, Deangeslow, has repeatedly gotten burned in big games, despite already having a weak secondary that other QBs could pick on. As far as Alge, he’s not having his best year, despite having a career number of TD catches. He’s dropped far too many balls this year, however who else do you pick in the NFC? I will agree with T-Town on one thing, Grady Jackson needs to have his fat azz in Hawaii as well.
By Famuan
December 19, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
No Cap, please don’t wish that! Look, VIck has been to 2 Pro Bowls, been voted to 3. I’m sure he’s not tripping about it. That being said, please don’t let these ungrateful, inbred, dirt-road, rural Hall County, Cherokee County, or whatever little 2 traffic-light stump of a town where the mayor is the police chief, fire chief, pastor, doctor & notary public, “I been a fan since Jim Crow” idiots get to you. Some of us want to be in a city where the QB of the NFL team is an automatic draw that gives us a chance each Sunday. Some of us LIKE talking to friends in DC, Boston or Chicago about the games and being able to mention the Falcons with a straight face. Its pretty cool that they ALL know who Vick is and are begging me to get his jersey so they don’t have to pay the shipping charge online. I’m sure the 40,000 people on the waiting list for season tickets enjoy being able to watch the game on Sunday, instead of it being BLACKED OUT for lack of a sold out game. Don’t let the hillbillies get to you!
By good coach
December 19, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this
WallStBro, say what you want about T.O, he is a jerk but he is the best receiver in the league, if the falcons had him as receiver atlanta would have won the division hands down.. lets be honest here folks. the guy is a jerk, a no class A hole but on the field he performs. I have to be honest, he should have been in the pro bowl
By Beretverde
December 19, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this
Vick: he** No… too stupid! Brooking same thing! Crumpler: a pity choice… Hall what a joke! A dumbing down of pro football at it’s best!
By LIFELONGFAN
December 19, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this
mOST OF YOU PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF MORON FAIRWEATHER FANS WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL. tHE fALCONS HAVE GOTTEN BY FOR 46 YEARS WITHOUT YOU, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO GET BY. oNE YEAR SOON, THEY WILL STAY HEALTHY, AND ALL OF YOU WILL CLAIM THAT YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN! pRO BOWL VOTING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A JOKE, GET USED TO IT!!!
By chikn iz good
December 19, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
DHALL is dkjfasjakjdfkja;sfjdkfjafjkda
By chikn iz good
December 19, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this
DHALL is dkjfasjakjdfkja;sfjdkfjafjkda
By JohnGTfan
December 19, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this
OK, I agree that Vick should have gone over Bulger. And Grady Jackson should definitely have gotten consideration. But Steve, how do you think Brooking should have gone. He has been AWFUL. The guy, for 2 years now, is always out of position, can’t cover tight ends or backs, and when he does get in position(rarely), he misses tackles. So yes to Vick and Jackson, but heck no to Brooking. He didn’t deserve it, so he’s not going. I’m a Vick supporter, always have been, always will be. I believe his coaches have done him in, and I believe that’s a MAIN reason he’s not going this year. But I hate to say, but I think his actions off the field hurt him a bit too. His media statements and the “incident” in ATL killed his pro-bowl chances.
By e.b.
December 19, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this
I agree, Steve. This is definitely one season Vick “should” go to the Pro Bowl. last season, he should not have. Bulger & Romo are two picks that have everybody raising eyebrows. Heck, Romo hasn’t even played an entire season. Vick is close to 1,000 yards Rushing, and he has very little talent to work with.
By reverend run
December 19, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this
Dolphins’ record in Marino’s fourth year: 8-8
Marino’s fifth year: 8-7
Marino’s sixth year: 6-10
Marino’s seventh year: 8-8
Marino’s 9th year: 8-8
Marino’s 11th year: 9-7
Marino’ 13th year: 9-7
Marino’s 14th year: 8-8
Marino’s 15th year 9-7
Marino’s 17th year: 9-7
Dolphins record during Marino’s tenure: .601 winning percentage. Michael Vick winning percentage is .592. Winning % for Dolphins in Marino’s first 3 years was .792. The Dolphins winning % in Marino’s next 14 years was .560.
By e.b.
December 19, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this
Jeff D, that’s your opinion. However, two of those guys you mentioned are in the AFC, and last I checked, D-Hall is in the NFC. And the only people that gripe about D-hall, are fair weather Falcons fans. Anyone w/ football knowledge seems to think he’s still one of the best, and heck ——it’s still early in his career.
By reverend run
December 19, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this
Broncos record in elway’s 6th year: 8-8
in Elway’s 8th year: 5-11
Elway’s 10th year: 8-8
Elway’s 11th year: 9-7
Elway’s 12th year: 7-9
Elway’s 13th year: 8-8
The Broncos winning % during Elways first 13 years was .592. Vick’s winning percentage. You guessed it. .592
Of course, Elway had a great 3 year run in year 14, 15, and 16 and ended up with a .634 winning % all time
The Falcons have only won 40% of their games in the entire history of their franchise.
The falcons have only won 38% of their games in the history of the franchise in the games Mike Vick has not played for the franchise
By e.b.
December 19, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this
T-Town Dawg —rwwatch some of the Falcons game film. The only guy getting absued constantly was Jason Webster. When Webster was playing, teams were always throwing in Webster’s direction. Listen, this is D-hall’s 3rd season. The kid is 23 years old. He’s young, and he’s just going to get better. I’m not smoking anything man. For God’s sake, take into account that Chris Crocker hasn’t exactly been helping out D-Hall on long routes. You poll any Wideout in the NFL, Hall is right up on the Top 5 Corner backs.
By e.b.
December 19, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this
Thane, what are you smoking? Charles Woodson? That guy is crap. That’s why he’s in green Bay. Gain some football knowledge, and get back to me in the morning.
By Ryder
December 19, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this
Hey Slinky,
Here’s an argument for you: 6-8. That’s the Rams record! No friggin way Bulger deserves to go, but i’m sure you’re glad he’s going instead of Vick because he fits your “type” of qb. You must be one of those who jack off to 300 yard games in losing efforts. You’re probably still getting off on Chris Weinke’s effort while i’m typing this. At least Vick never called out his teammates. I’m sure you and the other Vick haters who didn’t vote him in will be celebrating with a white sheet over your heads tonight!
By e.b.
December 19, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this
Squirrel, that’s your opinion. I live near Philly, watch Eagles games all the time. I see Lito Sheppard get abused all the time. He’s not a shutdown cornerback either.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this
Famuan, i’m actually with you. Those people lobbying to trade Vick out of here would be like the Lions fans advocating trading Barry Sanders or like Dan Reeves trying to get Elway traded (he got himself fired instead). But Blind Homer, sorry you think I’m a moron but you need to talk to the Vick haters. When they wish him out of here, who do you think the Falcons are going to get in return? No other team is going to give up their Pro Bowl quarterback. And the Falcons definitely aren’t going to get a top flight receiver (unless it is T.O.) because every GM knows that when you get rid of a premium WR then the dropback passing game ceases to exist. So be prepared for David Carr and a high second-round draft pick. I want Vick to stay. I want a team built around him. I don’t want Vick having to run 120 times a season and playing wingback because his supporting cast sucks. And I don’t want his leading receiver also dropping critical passes and still going to the Pro Bowl because Vick is still a proficient passer, but then have Vick getting snubbed because the Falcons WR corps isn’t worth a damn. So unless you want Blank to trade Vick and then move the team to LA because the fans stop coming and he can’t get a new stadium, I would like to see the Vick haters go root for another team, hillbillies and uncle toms stop the divisive racial potshots that are scaring away free agents, and Rich McKay needs to continue to draft effectively and BUILD THE TEAM AROUND VICK!!! He’s 26 people! And the haters are ready to leave him for dead because he can’t make this team a Super Bowl winner! Well he sure as hell got Crumpler to the Pro Bowl; too back Vick’s contribution couldn’t be reciprocated.
By teheran
December 19, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this
Vick has had one of his better years this if not his best. Its not his fault if receiver dropped most of his passes. Come on now Tony Romo. I think the media hyped him too much. Out of seven games this year, he has given only 4 probowl type games. Im not even going to comment on Brooking. the guy just got robbed and Hall did a pretty good job this year. How my corners in this league can go 1 on 1 all year long with the best player from the opposing team and give up less than 8 touchdown. Only one in the league and thats Champ. Acutally Brooking, Boley, and Williams did pretty good jobs this year.
By Jeff
December 19, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this
D Hall hasn’t shut anything down all year….including his mouth….what a joke….
By teheran
December 19, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this
T-Town Dawg, you didn’t watch too many games this year because every since Webster went down our fill in corner, ROSSUM has been pathetic. this guy is awful at corner.
By DHD
December 19, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this
Busting his butt blocking for the number one rushing team in the NFL AND filling in for Dunn/Norwood with some clurtch plays, JUSTIN GRIFFITH deserves to be at the Pro Bowl.
By Tazzee
December 19, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this
Justin Griffith deserves to go to the Pro Bowl
What has Mack Strong done this year? As a matter of fact, what has Seattle really done this year?
By JohnGTfan
December 19, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this
All the D-Hall haters really should read e.b. post. “Fans” always seem to forget the positives and always remember the negatives. The KID is 23 years old! Cut some slack already. I wear his jersey proudly EVERY SUNDAY. All these other guys getting named are not getting a team’s best receiver 90% of the game, week in and week out. Think about it….Steve Smith, T.O.(so glad he didn’t make pro-bowl), Roy Williams, Chad Johnson, Joey Galloway(still got unbelievable speed…ask Chicago), Braylon Edwards, Hines Ward, etc etc. Find another corner IN THE NFC other than Ronde Barber or Lito Sheppard that can handle that abuse every week.
By chikn iz good
December 19, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this
I think DHALL is the best corner in the league
By Jeff D
December 19, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this
e.b.,
You are right, D-Hall is in the NFC, but you asked for 5 better corners. Your question was not limited to NFC CB’s. Also, we all know D-Hall is 23 years old. Thanks for stating the obvious. But players aren’t/shouldn’t be elected to the Pro Bowl based on potential. They are elected based on their performance during the year.
Based on his play this year, it’s questionale whether D-Hall is in the top 5 in the NFC, much less the NFL. I think I’d take Lito Shepard, Ronde Barber and Terrance Newman before D. Hall.
By D
December 19, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this
good and bad, Crumpler deserves to go, even though he definitely could have played better, at times…Vick, no way, not even close, he’s less than Tim Rattay status, and now, with him showing he won’t win, he won’t even pull his usual ‘I’m injured thing’ and give us a break, a chance to try out somebody that might bolt the team and over time become a real NFL QB,Schaub. Brooking deserves to go, but the overall performance by our defense has smeared him, especially the play of all of the DB’s. for Hall to go is just a shame, that guy was pathetic Saturday night, T.O. is talented, but that just proved he was the measuring stick, and Hall showed he was a couple of quarts low! Vick will never make the Pro Bowl again, and we are in a holding pattern until he is gone, this whole coaching staff, trainers and all, are gone, and a new set of entirely different people breathe some fresh air, some logic, and some just plain ol’ common sense and basics into this franchise. also, an outdoor stadium, in the suburbs, is the final thing that would bring real, big-time football to this area. outdoor football is needed, it changes the mood, it makes it what it is, football! and it keeps the idiots that just want to be seen a crowd with the children, at home, the only people at a game in the cold, in the rain, are fans, the real ones, the ones that need to matter, this ain’t no baseball game!
By chikn iz good
December 19, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this
David Carr is better than Peyton Manning
By Tyger
December 19, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this
DeAngelo Fall and Alge Crumbler need to graciously decline their Pro Bowl invitations.
Keith Brooking never had a Pro Bowl season, he was/is an affirmative action baby. He’s not a head-cracker -he drags people down after theyve passed the LOS.
Head-crackers plug holes for negative yardage. see Erlacher, Ray Lewis, Joey Porter, not Keith Brooking.
By parks
December 19, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this
E.B I agree, allthough Hall has been somewhat of a letdown this year he is still an upper tier CB. If he would quit just banking on his athletic ability and focus more on developing he could be the best
Oh by the way the people stating Pac Man is better than D-Hall is Crazy.
Pac Man has been burned worse than Hall this year plus he is a worse tackler than Deion was
most of Pac man’s highlights you see on T.V are punts returns, that he is very good at
By Tyger
December 19, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this
Marc Bulger over Mike Vick, please…
By JohnGTfan
December 19, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this
Brooking deserves to go? Hilarious. I hate to state the obvious, being a Falcon and GT fan…but what a waste of money he is. He doesn’t deserve his contract. And what is the deal with so many people being certain Matt Schaub is the real deal. It’s very obvious in ATL and has been stated often…NOONE could lead this offense better than Vick. Yes, he has awful games sometimes…but did anyone see Carson Palmer last night…Peyton Manning the previous 4 games before last night…Big Ben this YEAR. Everyone has bad games. Does anyone honestly think Peyton would have the NFL record for TD passes in a season with, excuse me, Jenkins, White and Crumpler? NO. I think White will be good( I know most won’t agree). I think Jenkins will be decent, and Crumpler is good…but the entire offense is young and learning to gel, with the exception of Dunn. I love the scrappy guy, but time to wish him well. Norwood should be starting next year, with hopefully, a big back drafted in the later round to pick up a yard.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this
Reverend Run, I noticed you didn’t include Marino’s first three seasons in listing the record. I know what you were thinking, you didn’t want somebody coming along to say how good Marino was in his record setting season of 1984. Go ahead and include those three years bro. These dropback passer lovers forget that Marino got taken at the end of the first round by the best team in the AFC who had gone to the SuperBowl the year before with David Woodley and Don Strock at QB. The Dolphins didn’t need him. They could have drafted freaking ROGER CRAIG who was still on the board and still drafted the Marks Brothers for the second-year MOBILE Woodley and the Dolphins would have been a better overall team without Marino. But hindsight is 20/20 and as a Falcons fan I have no place whatsoever criticizing anybody else’s drafting (how did the Falcons come away from one of the deepest drafts ever with so little?). So Dan Marino set all types of passing records and walked away without a ring. Brett Favre wasn’t even the MVP of the Super Bowl he won (it was Desmond Howard, a kick return specialist) and he has limped along for the past five years trying to break Marino’s records. Elway didn’t win a Super Bowl until Denver adopted the run blocking scheme that Atlanta now uses to be the leading rushing team in the league. Peyton Manning has won nothing and has been in the league three years longer than Vick. SO WHY WOULD ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANT AN IMMOBILE DROPBACK PASSER AT QB?!? Food for thought, once again, no QB who has led the league in passer rating has won the Super Bowl that season. I’ll take my chances with Vick.
By wlr1957@msn.comWLR
December 19, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this
D. Hall should not have gone. He got schooled by T.O., then he threw up his skirt and cried like a little girl cause he got spit on. T. Newman is much better.
By parks
December 19, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this
Wow, now Vick is worse than Tim Rattay,
some people need to relax a little.
and I know nobody care but maybe this will register with some . WE WON’T AND CAN’T trade Vick, the Cap hit will not allow it so try to let it go please..
What happens if we bench Vick and start Schaub and he is worse than Vick? (0-3 record, lower career comp% and Pass rating suggest that is a possibility)
Then we have a QB that will demand a trade, (Vick) which we can’t do and a QB that cannot get it done. If we then trade Vick we are going to be hurt in free agency b/c of the massive cap hit and have no QB
By Cap
December 19, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this
Hey LifeLongFan, that’s the problem, the Falcons have just been getting by for 40 years. You would think the team would have had back to back winning seasons during that time. Most teams pick up and leave after that much futility. But there is a reason why the Falcons and the Saints had to stick around. Do you know why Atlanta became the first franchise in the Southeast? Kinda hard to have a NFL franchise with Jim Crow still on the books. It’s funny, the White Citizens Board erected the Peyton Road Wall to keep blacks out of Southwest Atlanta. That is now where a number of prominent pro athletes in Atlanta live. So don’t talk to me about being a fairweather fan. If the hillbillies had it their way, Lester Maddox would have been five time governor and their would be no pro sports franchises just to keep the rich blacks out.
By parks
December 19, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this
yeah Brooking must have stubbed his toe and fell on 120 ball carrier’s. oh a wait this is the best one I have heard on this blog:
NFL.com must have a conspiracy against all other Falcon linebackers, I think they are cred all of Demorio’s and Boley’s tackles to Brooking.
Brooking is a very good OLB
By Famuan
December 19, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this
Cap, when I looked at the rosters for the Pro Bowl, I had to brace myself for the onslaught of bottom-dwellers that were feverishly awaiting the ajc to blog about the picks. Can’t you just see the foaming at the mouth jackals who take the greatest of pride in finding any reason whatsoever to degrade and insult the one player who gave hope to a franchise that was on life-support? These good ole boys could actually care less about the Falcons….right up until draft day 2001. These are the same people pining for the days when Brett Favre was a Falcon ….because he was a model athlete back then, remember? Now they remember the glory days of 3-11 and how Vick ruined the whole sport…. I mean they have no use for sold-out games (they don’t come to the big dangerous city), a 24hr cable channel devoted to the team (what’s cable), or 2 retail stores full of Falcons merchandise in the largest 2 malls in the Atlanta (if it ain’t at Wal-Mart, they dont know it exists) - see all these things happened, coincidentally, after Vick arrived….just like these blogs. We can’t allow ourselves to be fooled into thinking these hicks mean anything. They aren’t at the games, they don’t support the team, they just don’t like this young man taking snaps because it goes against everything their grand-daddy/pappy preacher taught on Sundays.
By Tim
December 19, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this
* D Hall is a Thug and a first class punk a* b****
By ShadyGrady
December 19, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this
Vick should be in. Nobody citicizes Keith Brooking. But he is not that good. Most of his tackles occur five yards plus north of the line of scrimmage. Rarely does he tackle anyone for a loss. He is definitely not in the class of Lewis, Urlacher, Merriman, and the other preeminent linebackers in the league. Hell, I think Boley and Demorrio Williams should start the outside slots and Brooking and Ike Reese should platoon the middle. “Broken” Hartwell is another sad commentary altogether.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this
JohnGTfan, never mind D-Hall being only 23 years old. Let everyone keep hating on him like they hate on Michael Vick. I seem to remember a certain Deion Sanders who started out making it to the ProBowl as a special teams player because he couldn’t defend to save his life. It took him a few years to get his legs. But do you know what PrimeTime did after Falcons fans kept hating on him? He left. And went on to win championships. And Atlanta ended up having to draft Michael Booker in 97 instead of Warrick Dunn, Tony Gonzalez, Tarik Glenn, or Trevor Pryce. But look on the bright side, the Falcons could have drafted Rae Carruth.
By parks
December 19, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this
I agree that Brook is not in the class of Urlacher, Lewis, and Merriman (more of a glorified D-end),very few are or ever have been. I dispute when people say he is not that good, yes he makes some tackles behing the line of scrimmage buts he stops plenty at the line of attack..
the funny part to me is that people talk like every OLB in the league stops all plays at the line of scrimmage except Brooking ..
its to the point were people on this board don’t see when Boley or D-Will do it, just Brooking. they just see what they want to see
By Who's Your Daddy
December 19, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this
Must be a slow day in the Pro Bowl department. Not only was D.Hall spit on Saturday night he was undressed! Not what I would expect of a Pro Bowl performance. Of course according to some of these blogs the standard of excellence has diminished at DB and excuses are being made for sub-standard play. It will be interesting to see how Vick will adjust to the new coaching regime. Mora and Knapp seem to come up with a new (usually stupid) scheme every week.
By Overpaid
December 19, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this
WHO CARES ABOUT THIS POPULARITY CONTEST ANYWAY? THINK I’LL CHANGE MY OIL WHILE THE GAME IS ON
By DJ
December 19, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this
I am still wondering how DeAngelo Hall made it to the pro bowl. He obviously did not get selected by the way he played this year. He got beat by every high & low profile wide receiver in the league. Oh Well.
By Dixie Normous
December 19, 2006 07:58 PM | Link to this
Crumpler gets my vote, but MeAngelo Hall..you gotta be kidding me. T.O. took his loud mouth punk-a$$ to the woodshed on Saturday and exposed him for what he is…a CHUMP!!! I hope Mora gets fired and takes MeAngelo and Ron Mexico with him to Washington.
By Coach
December 19, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this
I thought that Grady Jackson might be a pro bowler, but a friend who had studied him on tape told me when you watch him every play carfully he is a little over rated.
Hall is a pro bowler - in spite of an off game against Dallas - it tough playing one on one without a dependable pass rush.
I am a Crumpler fan - little bit of an off years, but a great competitor.
I am a Michael Vick Fan - but he did not have a pro bowl year - he needed a better pass protection and more dependable receivers - I think he might benifit from a deeper launch point - he has great arm strenth - it is tough for a 6 ft QB when he sets up too close to the LOS - can’t always see the open spots at 10-12 yards, that is the depth of the timed route on a 5 step drop. Mike’s a tough competitor - he has some more pro bowl years in front of him.
By Boots
December 19, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this
Parks, you hit the nail on the head in your blog regarding the financial implications of trading Vick. As I’ve said before: it doesn’t matter how you feel about Vick. Vick is here to stay. Vick is the “Elliott Ness” of the NFL —- an UNTOUCHABLE! The salary cap, as it is now structured, simply precludes any trade —- at least as I see it. So, dump the lose change, try to re-structure his contract and SURROUND HIM WITH QUALITY PLAYERS AND LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS! That’s the only hope for this franchise.
By Famuan
December 19, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this
Does the AJC have an agenda to see how completely roused up they can get the vicious non-Falcon-fan lunatics that illogically blame Vick for everything from our secondary to the O-line to illegal immigration?? Why is there a poll asking if Vick should go to the Pro Bowl? The votes can’t be changed and all this does is continue to feed the blatant and subtle racist hicks that thrive on insulting Vick day in and day out! Is the AJC competing with the National Enquirer for credibility now? Is there a need to stir this pot? Here we go…..let the Vick bashing continue….obviously its a slow news day in sports and nothing brings’em out like Michael Vick.
By parks
December 19, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this
Thanks Boots, some of us get the big picture
By Cap
December 19, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this
Famuan, that is why I don’t pay reverence to the “glory years” of the Atlanta Falcons. They bulldozed a black neighborhood and put those people out in the street to build Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. The Falcons got all of the losing they deserved in their first ten years of existence. But after 1980, the Falcons continued to be wretched. Sure Tony Casillas got old and went to Dallas, but in the 1998 Super Bowl Atlanta should have had a core of solid veterans in their late 20s/early 30s with Deion Sanders as the cornerstone. But where were Aundray Bruce, Steve Broussard (of course Jamal Anderson was a better pick up in the 7th round), Bruce Pickens, Devin Bush, and Shannon Brown. Busts, Busts, Busts. And of course Deion Sanders, Chris Miller, Lincoln Kennedy and Bert Emanuel were gone. All those first rounders with only Bob Whitfield to show for it. (And Booker was destined to become a bust). So I don’t want to hear anything about Michael Vick not playing up to expectations. The only bar ever set for a first-round pick in Atlanta was to either be a perennial loser or leave. The very fact that Vick has an above .500 record and way more TDs than INTs for this franchise and he hasn’t demanded a trade should qualify him for sainthood.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this
6’0” tall is not too short. Just ask Drew Brees.
By Dawgone!
December 19, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this
I agree that Beef-0-Grady should be in the pro bowl. How ever D hall shouldn’t.
Vick just has been to up and down this year but in as a reserve sure… Brooking also deserves it as a reserve. Crump has had more drops this year than probably all the last 3 or 4 years combined or so it seems but still deserves the nod.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 08:34 PM | Link to this
The only QB that hasn’t been up and down is arguably Drew Brees
By Najeh Davenpoop
December 19, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this
I’m not surprised Crumpler made it — there are only three good tight ends in the NFC, and he probably had the best year out of those three. But I am amazed that Hall made it, because off the top of my head the Cowboys’ Newman, the Bucs’ Barber, the Saints’ McKenzie, the Eagles’ Sheppard, the Bears’ Vasher and Tillman, and possibly even the Panthers’ Gamble have played better this year than Hall. If the Pro Bowl takes into account only the first four weeks of the season, then sure. But for the whole year? No way. I still think if the coaches used him properly he would be better, but he certainly hasn’t been one of the two best corners in the NFC this year.
And I am surprised that Vick didn’t make it, considering the relatively weak QB group in the NFC. Brees is an obvious lock, but Romo’s only played half the season and Bulger has been quite mediocre since the first 6 games of the season (I know this because he’s on my fantasy team). You could make a solid case for either one to make it, but considering the talent that each one has to work with and taking into account total stats (not just passing stats) I would probably give a slight edge to Vick in that situation. Then again, if it was just the six best QBs in the league instead of 3 from each conference, neither Vick nor Bulger would have a chance, since the AFC has about 5 QBs who are deserving of Pro Bowl consideration. But it is surprising that Vick missed out considering that he made it the last two years, when he wasn’t nearly as good as he was this year.
Brooking’s played well this year, but there are too many other good outside linebackers for him to compete with, so it’s not surprising that he missed out.
And although I think Grady Jackson deserved to make it, his omission is not surprising either since his impact doesn’t show up on the stat sheet.
But hopefully these players will start playing better to prove that they were snubbed. Hey, every little bit helps when you are fighting for your playoff life.
By TPM
December 19, 2006 08:39 PM | Link to this
Neither Crumpler or Hall deserve a trip to Hawaii. Hall can’t cover a blanket and tackles like a girl. Crumpler dropped more balls than Roddy White
By Brad
December 19, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this
This year I can’t think of anybody on this team that should be in the pro bowl. Mike Vick is a good QB but he did not have pro bowl year. Crump had an ok year but not a pro bowl year. D. Hall give me a break.
By Titothebear
December 19, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this
Deangelo Hall to the pro bowl? Wasn’t he voted “Most Toasted”? He’s an idiot and he can’t play. He absolutely can not play a lick! Hall has been wretched, while Brooking has played fairly well. It’s just too bad that anyone from this horrible team would be accorded any honors at all. From the top on down to the guy that fills the Gatorade jug, this is one of the lousiest franchises in football. The Foulcons franchise has always been, and will continue to be, a franchise steeped in ignominy.
By Najeh Davenpoop
December 19, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this
And the only other Falcons I would have considered are Warrick Dunn (if he had more TDs he might have had a chance) and Michael Boley (he’s been solid all year but, like Brooking, has too many other good players at his position). Nobody else deserves to sniff the Pro Bowl on this team.
And thank god Jim Mora’s not gonna be in Hawaii. Every time I turn on Madden 2006 and I see him wearing a flowered shirt on the sideline during the 2005 Pro Bowl it makes me want to throw up.
By Titothebear
December 19, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this
Deangelo Hall to the pro bowl? Wasn’t he voted “Most Toasted”? He’s an idiot and he can’t play. He absolutely can not play a lick! Hall has been wretched, while Brooking has played fairly well. It’s just too bad that anyone from this horrible team would be accorded any honors at all. From the top on down to the guy that fills the Gatorade jug, this is one of the lousiest franchises in football. The Foulcons franchise has always been, and will continue to be, a franchise steeped in ignominy.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this
Well Najeh, you hit it on the head. contribution that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet. Vick is the poster child for that scenario. There is a reason for Atlanta having the least amount of passing yards in the league. How many yards do the receivers get when they actually do catch the ball. Vick is a highly proficient QB. I don’t know where this “QB needs to be consistent” crap comes from. The only consistent QB is Andrew Walter. He’s consistently bad and has never had a good game. Other than that, EVERY QB is up and down, even the great Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Manning wasn’t doing so hot over the past 4 games until last night and Tom Brady looked completely hapless against the Dolphins just two weeks ago. But of course he didn’t make the Pro Bowl and Phillip Rivers did. Look at his performance the other night. But I guess there is a benefit to the voting ending early.
By Sonny
December 19, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this
Hall made it on REPUTATION & HYPE only, he is not an elite cornerback. Need proof??? Watch the Dallas game when Owens made him look like a b*tch. Heck, he’s been getting burned by WR’s all damn year.
By Rutuger
December 19, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this
The only defensive player we have worth keeping is…….
Well, I really did hink I would have a name to fill in the blank here, but I’ll be damned if I can’t think of a single one. Rod perhaps? Other than that, they can all get on the next busm the hell out of town…. And Ed Hartwell needs to be driving.
By theedge56
December 19, 2006 09:19 PM | Link to this
The pro-bowl is just a popularity contest Exhibit A Toast aka D. Hall. Remove the fan component from this coaches and players should vote in an open ballot.
By TRUEFALCONFAN
December 19, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this
Hey Famuan, You are a complete moron, and obviously don’t know anything about the south or southerners. If you must live here, get a clue!!! Even better, why don’t you go back to the rock from which you crawled!!!
By Ken Strickland
December 19, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this
I don’t have a problem with any of the Probowl selections, and neither should any of you. DHall was selected to the Probowl by the same REC’rs that’s played against him the last 14gms. I’d take that over the judgement of a bunch of overraught, overly emotional fans judging his overall performance abased on 1 bad game. In Crumpler’s case, I think his peers recognize he’s a TE that’s more than just a REC’r. He could be the best blocking TE in the league, and that’s being recognized.
Vick’s performance was good enough to qualify for Probowl honors, but not good enough to overcome his recent indiscretion.
By Jim
December 19, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this
If Hall’s showing this year was even 1/2 as big as his mouth, the Falcons would have been in much better shape. I just don’t get all this hype about D. Hall. The guy gets beat often… like a drum…and the Pro Bowl? I mean, what a joke.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this
TrueFalconFan, perhaps your comments were directed at me. But I wouldn’t expect someone of your ilk to be able to properly identify my name by way of reading it. Moron. Once again, sorry for my lack of reverence for your generation of southerners, but unfortunately I am all too well versed in Southern culture, both the good and the bad. But once again, there is a reason why “the South” had no pro sports franchises prior to the sixties. I think that reason is obvious. Atlanta got is pro basketball and baseball team from two rust belt cities on the verge of collapse and Atlanta’s expansion football and hockey teams are historically among the worst in their respective sports. As Bryant Gumbel of all people noted on the Falcons/Cowboys telecast, Atlanta is noted for being a bad sports town. If you haven’t clued into the obvious, it is the legacy of Jim Crow racism that persists to this day which makes every issue in Atlanta divisive, from the starting QB on the Falcons to where to run the MARTA.
By e.b.
December 19, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this
Well Jeff, should Tony Romo go to the pro Bowl, well how ‘bout Marc Bulger, well how ‘bout Mack Strong? Sounds like you have more of a problem with D-Hall. It sounds personal. I think Vick has done way more for his team than Bulger has. I think you could argue that Justin Griffith could go to the Pro Bowl. So, it’s not upto me. I disagree with you. I’ve seen Sheppard get toasted on more than one occasion this year. I’ve also seen Ronde barber get toasted. it’s the nature of the CB job. It’s a high profile gig, and I think at his young age, and still learning, D-Hall is one of the best, and will only get better.
By ShadyGrady
December 19, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this
Cris Collingsworth is a nggr
By e.b.
December 19, 2006 09:43 PM | Link to this
Boy, it’s obvious you people aren’t Falcons fans. You’re a bunch of trolls from other teams. You’re fair weather fans. You come out when your team wins, and you boast and brag. i can tell there’s some Cowboys fans on this message board. What ashame. Well, got new for you. You don’t know much about football, and D-Hall is an excellent DB. If you don’t think so, take a poll of WR’s in the game. And BTW, Sonny, D-Hall owned TO last year against the Eagles. Who was the b*** then-CHUMP?
By Bubba
December 19, 2006 10:01 PM | Link to this
JohnGTFan, Terrence Newman has faced just as tough receivers all year. Very few offenses even throw his way. It’s an outrage the guy didn’t get in. Guess it’s all about name recognition. I wish fans weren’t allowed to vote for the pro bowl for this reason. Unlike Hall,Terrence doesn’t have to run his mouth before and during a game. His PLAY backs it up. Hall was getting owned by T O on Saturday as well as the second string Saints receivers a few weeks back.
By Cap
December 19, 2006 10:04 PM | Link to this
His last name is “Collinsworth”. I’m sorry, can you not read?
By Bubba
December 19, 2006 10:05 PM | Link to this
E.B., How does T O getting 112 yards “getting owned” by De Angela? If that’s the case most receivers in this league would love to “get owned” every week. Gumble even said on the broadcast that T O burned him last year. Go watch NFL Replay if you don’t believe it and put the Falcon Kool-Aid down.
By Real Fan
December 19, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this
If D. Fall had an ounce of character he would turn this pro bowl nomination down. The man is horrible on and off the field.
By MJ
December 19, 2006 10:15 PM | Link to this
I am shocked. The player Jim Moron would take over every other player all time did not make the pro bowl? My oh my what is the world coming to. Apparently he is the only one of that opinion. And Deangelo Hall? Good thing for him the voting was done before T.O lit him up like a Christmas Tree, spitting aside. Shows one can talk the talk but does not necessarily have to walk the walk to get somewhere.
By t-towndawg
December 19, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this
teheran,
You, sir, are correct. Rossum absolutely blows. You missed my point. DHall is the best corner on our team, but overall, throughout the league, he isn’t in the top 15. He may get better, but for now, he needs to shut his big mouth and learn the pro game. He isn’t at VT anymore.
By t-towndawg
December 19, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this
e.b.,
I’ll give you the Webster and Crocker arguments. See my last post concerning the ranking of corners on our team. Crocker has been a crock of crap all year. It appears that he either doesn’t know the Falcons system or that he likes to freelance. He has been out of position all year. The fact about DHall is, he calls himself a shutdown corner, so he isn’t suppose to need help over the top. He is supposed to live on the proverbial island all alone. So far, he has not proven that he can handle that assignment.
By druzz
December 19, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this
I am surprised Vick did not make it. They picked two people that can’t catch. Crumpler can’t catch a pass and Hall can’t catch up to a wide receiver.
By WallStBro
December 19, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this
Ignore ShadyGrady, his name says it all. He’s a punk azz beeeotch that knows nothing about football. Maybe if we were discussing jacks or four square, he’d have something positive to contribute. Until then, ignore him.
By parks
December 20, 2006 12:06 AM | Link to this
Crump can’t catch a pass now, I mean even though he has been the most consistent TE in the NFC the last 4 years b/c he has dropped a few passes it is unacceptable. He has to be traded
I mean the Falcons have the worst player at every position on the field, Brook, D-hall, Kerney, Crump, Dunn, Hartwell, Abe, Malloy,Griffith,Vick, Schaub,Coleman,anderson, and esp Keanon
I mean how did we win 1 game? this is pathetic. I mean Kerney and Abe are prob not even in the top 60 of DE’s the league
we need to trade every body except White, Lelie, and Crocker
PLEASE! hold on to Donatell and Knapp
we can let go of Mora b/c with all the great things he did for our team we should grant his wishes to go to UW. Maybe we could move Knapp to Head Coach
our coord’s are the best in the league we just don’t have any players capable of running a high school O or D
P.S really this is how 80% of the posts on this board sound. We have talent, other teams have probs also
everybody please calm down
By Chris
December 20, 2006 12:14 AM | Link to this
D-Hall to Pro Bowl? What a joke! Apparently the votes were in before the Dallas game. Maybe that’s why he got burned even more that night. Oh well, as long as D-Hall is happy, that’s what’s most important.
By Cap
December 20, 2006 02:27 AM | Link to this
I think D-Hall is a good corner. All corners get burnt, but like Vick, D-Hall is attempting to overcome bad coaching. That’s great that D-Hall gets the “best” receiver of every team, but what happens when the “best” receiver is 6 inches taller and outweighs him by 30-40 pounds like Roy Williams and T.O. It looks like D-Hall is getting burned but the problem is, is that even though he likes to cheat up for run support and is willing to get physical, he just can’t match up against receivers that may be slower but are so much bigger. He cannot impede their movement off of the line within five yards so they are pushing past him and getting separation before the ball is thrown. But in Saturday’s game, I saw Jimmy Williams on Terry Glenn and D-Hall on T.O. Shouldn’t it be the other way around? Even though Williams cannot cover anywhere as good as D-Hall, he may not have to as he gives up very little size to T.O. (or Keyshawn Johnson and Reggie Brown) and can man up large receivers at the line while D-Hall can focus on the speedy receiver like Terry Glenn (or Steve Smith and Donte Stallworth) regardless if they are the best receiver or not. The coaches are just wearing Hall down and wasting his strengths. At this point I don’t care if Williams is a rookie; he needs to take his lumps because Rossum is in this league as a return specialist and is too small to cover anybody regardless of how fast he is.
By Nono
December 20, 2006 04:14 AM | Link to this
What a damn joke The best at his position? Deangelo should pay the Falcon organization back for at least three games and maybe more. Mike Williams of Detroit destoryed him, catching the ball at will. Where was Deangelo? Playing back in a soft zone 15 yards off him. The secomd year S. Cal star burnned #21 under his soft coverage and ran right by him almost every time. Brad Johnson of the Bengals did the same, and we all saw what TO did. These are just three games that Denangelo played like a girl. He in no way deserves to be in the pro bowl. You would never see that freak giving to Warrick foundation to help single mothers, its always about himself—-greedy little man. Maybe he can pick up a few tricks from the real professionals in Hawaii.
By Famuan
December 20, 2006 05:29 AM | Link to this
Cap, you aren’t gonna get through to people who don’t actually know that our defensive scheme has more to do with D-Hall’s “highlights” than his actual ability. Its easier to say he got “burnt” then to realize that he actually just ran at light speed to get close to the receiver who was 15 yards ahead of him. Nope, they see a catch and its his fault, case closed. These are the same people who fail to realize that while other QBs get “the team has no running game” excuse (Panthers, Colts) - Vick is expected to BE the running game if our RBs are hurt, and be it if they aren’t. Bad protection for other teams means the QB isn’t protected. For Vick it means he can’t read defenses. For other QBs, a high throw means “the wide receivers aren’t helping them out”…for Vick it means he’s a RB playing QB. The bias becomes numbing after awhile. The players for the Falcons have overcome coaching for 3 years. The fact that they haven’t had a losing season speaks more to their talent than any ProBowl or for that matter, record breaking season ever could. But naw, these hicks want to go back to their “way of life” with a bunch of losing teams.
By D
December 20, 2006 06:19 AM | Link to this
don’t know if Schaub will be good in the NFL or not, but I think he has potential and sure wish we could give him a really good look before we just give him away. Vick looked better, nice TD passes, but those two plays when he could of won the game or kept from losing it, and he didn’t, that’s frustrating. throwing it right to the defensive lineman and then getting out run by the guy too, then the wide open Crumpler, and the idiot announcers saying, ‘you can’t throw back across the field, that’s just stupid, the whole field is fair game and we should use it. besides there is a time when it’s perfectly ok to throw back across you body to the other side of the field, and that’s when your guy is the only one out there. Vick willnever lead us anywhere, and next year we will have the same up and down season, with people questioning everything and so many people getting blamed for things coming from the qb position. and something else, it’s just shameful for some of the people on this blog bringing race into it, if you make excuses for race, if you call someone else racial slurs of any kind, you problaby are a racist and should take a long deep look at yourself. it’s terrible when someone shows racism, but it’s even worse when a black person does it, because of the history, because of what happened to them, they should try harder than anyone else to keep from being the awful people that abused them, MLK would agree. race has less to do with things in this country than most people want to admit, and it has even less to do with sports. I’m not saying racism is not a problem, but it’s made into a bigger problem by everyone that uses as a cruthc and by those that use it as weapon, if we would only take about the racial isssues that are truly racial issues and stop with the manipulative and bvashing racism, so many things on this issue would fix themselves, the world willnever be perfect, but it can get better. racism is for the weak, the cruel and the ignorant.
By TO
December 20, 2006 07:31 AM | Link to this
D.Hall ain’t spit!
By Miked
December 20, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this
NEWS FLASH! NEWS FLASH! BIG PLAY RAY HAS BEEN SPOTTED. HE PLAY CORNER AGAIN FOR THE FALCONS AND HIS NAME IS D.HALL. D.HALL IS THE NEW NO PLAY RAY FOR THE FALCONS. HE IS NOT A PRO BOWLER. LIKE THEY SAID ON 790. HOW DID TO SPIT ON HIM WHEN HE WAS 20 YARDS PASS HIM ON EVERY PLAY. HE WASN’T CLOSE ENOUGH TO SPIT ON HIM. D.HALL SUCKS AND BACKS UP NOTHING HE TALKS ABOUT. FOR HIM TO BE THAT FASTEST MAN IN THE NFL, HE SURE NEVER CATCHES ANYONE FROM BEHIND.
By T-Town Dawg
December 20, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this
Famuan, You are mistaken my friend. It is not just the scheme that makes DHall look bad. On the 50+ yd Td by TO Sat. night, TO ran by the fastest man in the NFL. DHall had him covered for about 10-15 yds, but at the 20 yd mark, TO had seperated and left him. Perfect route, perfect pass, perfect TOAST!
By Ghost
December 20, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
I think that some of you Bone-heads have to think……..Could Manning or Brady do better running the Falcons offense with that receiving core? I think not. Vick overcompensates for many coaching deficiencies and WR drops. He is a definite AllPro, especially over Romo. As a matter of fact, Vick would probably be better off playing in a city that appreciates his talents more. A lot of you Atlanta fans don’t even deserve a pro football franchise.
By becky
December 20, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this
I think Michael Vick should have been selected to the Pro Bowl because he is good, it’s rest of the Falcon players that don’t know how to block/protect him nor catch his balls.
By jean
December 20, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this
I love my Falcons, I really do.That being said, I don’t see how Alge Crumpler had a pro bowl year, come on!! He’s getting in on rep only this year. And D. Hall, did anybody voting actually watch him play this year?? Did they watch the Steelers game?? This will only make his already considerable head/ego even bigger!! He didn’t deserve it & I wish he hadn’t made it because he needs a few more lessons in Humility. I know Moron loves “athletic arrogance” but both D. Hall & his coach have too much of it!! It we don’t win this game against the sad sack Carolina Panthers, than I wash my hands of this team for this season. There is NO WAY we should lose this game, even if Vick gives way to Shaubbie because his groan is tweaked. And by the way, Mike Vick is the only Falcon besides maybe Morten who should be in the pro bowl. I love Keith Brooking & he plays his heart out every week but he’s not a pro bowl linebacker this year.
By Hayden
December 20, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
Crumpler - OK. But you’d better tighten up next year, my brother! Vick not going - ok, I can see that too (even though I am a fan). Romo is the NFL’s “golden boy” right now. Let’s hope he doesn’t end up like Curt Warner - on top one minute and washed up as h*ll the next (pitiful). And my take on DeAngela (yes, I said it) Hall - he is going to be just like the Falcon formerly known as Big Play Ray (now known as Old Grey Ray) Loud Mouth and no action.
I’m out!!! (slamming the door behind me)
By jim
December 20, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
I personally do not care about the Pro Bowl. That being said, it is silly that DeAngelo Hall is going. That’s crazy.
Also, Marc Bulger should not be going and both Mike Vick and Tom Brady is staying home.
Also, Keith Brooking is having a great year this year, but I can see him not going to the Pro Bowl.
But on second thought, I kind of like Mike Vick not going to the Pro Bowl this year. I hope he’s angry. I hope he displays his anger against the Panthers.
By Famuan
December 20, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
T-Town Dawg,I agree about the Dallas Game and even a few other games as well….but I won’t say the entire season was just him being burned.
By FALCON4LIFE
December 20, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this
NO FALCON SHOULD GO BECAUSE THEY ALL UNDERACHIVED!THIS IS A PLAYOFF TEAM THAT WAS NOT MOTIVATED (OR MAN ENOUGH) TO PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS! I LOVE THE FALCONS BUT FEEL THEY ARE A BUNCH OF OVERPAID (HARTWELL,VICK,BROOKING,AND SOON-TO-BE KEARNEY)LOUDMOUTH(HALL)AND OVER-RATED(ALGE,LELIE,BROOKING,HALL) PLAYERS.THEY ARE GOOD PLAYERS (ALL OF THE ABOVE PLUS DUNN,MILLOY,JACKSON, BOLEY,COLEMAN)BUT NONE ARE PRO BOWL WORTHY THIS YEAR,MR.BLANK SHOULD ASK FOR SOME OF HIS MONEY BACK AND GIVE IT TO THE SEASON TICKET HOLDERS LIKE ME WHO HAVE WATCHED THEM LOSE AT HOME FOUR TIMES ALREADY WHICH IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLY. LEADERSHIP STARTS AT THE TOP AND IT IS SOMETHING WE DON’T HAVE .THE COACHING STAFF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED,WITH ONE THAT CAN GET THE MOST OUT OF THESE PLAYERS ON A CONSISTANT BASIS.
By Congrats
December 20, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
Congrats to Alge and to “Toast” Hall. Alge deserved it, Toast might have deserved it if he had played the last 10 games the way he played the first 4. Also Mike and Keith have played well enough to be there too!!
By webhead
December 20, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
Brooking got shafted. He’s the best player on this team.When Vick wounldn’t come back after breaking his leg Brook played with a broken bone in his back Toughest SOB in Nfl.
By Famuan
December 20, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this
So D, by “idiot announcers” you mean Deion Sanders and Marshall Faulk? Oh, I see, well if you’re more credible than they are, who can argue?
By Realistic Ricky
December 20, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
If DeAngelo Hall is a Pro Bowl cornerback, then the NFC must have a serious shortage of good cornerbacks. Crumpler is deserving, but I have no problem with Vick and Brooking not being selected. Grady Jackson probably should have made it.
By Hayden
December 20, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
The “real” idiot announcer is that Bryant Gumbel guy. He had the FREAKING nerve to say that Atlanta fans were just not active fans. I would say bring your sorry behind to my section and you’ll see what active fans are. BTW, when is the last time your happy a** was at an Atlanta regular season game to observe the fans. Go back to NY
By good coach
December 20, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
webhead, are you on met, are you nuts brooking the toughest player in the NFL, what NFL are you watching? the Nutty Fan League.. There are not many players that have played with a broken leg( with a few exceptions, sorry to say it T.O is one them). Brooking is not even in the top ten LB in the league, as far as toughnest, he is tough but not the toughest…
By Ed
December 20, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
There must be two Halls on the Falcons team ‘cuz the one I saw Owens make a joke of is not Pro Bowl material, toilet bowl, yeah…Pro Bowl, never. Flushhhhhhhhhhhh.
By johnmrog
December 20, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
If making tons of tackles 8-10 yds downfield from the line of scrimmage is Pro Bowl-caliber for a linebacker, then Keith Brooking is the best linebacker in the league.
By dennis
December 20, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
If DeAngelo Hall is a Pro-Bowler, then so is Roddy White. There’s a thought - White and Hall could both go to the Pro-Bowl, where White would burn Hall (again), and then drop the pass in the end zone from June Jones! I’d pay to see that!
By dennis
December 20, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
To johnmrog, Not sure why you’re so hard on Brooking. At least he’s making tackles SOMEWHERE ON THE FIELD, instead of whiffing like some of the other clowns on this so-called defense. The only thing Harwell and Abraham are tackling is a big fat paycheck while they sit in the freakin’ whirlpool every week with a hang-nail.
By chikn iz good
December 20, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
D-Hall is the best cornerback to ever play in the NFL
By Myconju
December 20, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
To all the Mike Vick haters…It’s obvious you don’t know football. So, when you start with “Mike Vick has sucked all year”, I totally dismiss your comment. You don’t suck all year with almost a 1000 yards rushing as a Quarterback. Most of you should simply use the phrase “I don’t like his style of play”.
Mike Vick should be in the Pro Bowl; however I think the gesture messed him up. Grady Jackson should be in the Pro Bowl. If the Falcons ran a better offence Justin Griffith would be in the Pro Bowl. I definitely think Warrick Dunn should be there. To me he’s one of the only guys on offence who seemed to play with consistency and wanted to help the QB out when the receivers including Algee Crumpler were dropping all those passes.
I hope Mike Vick won’t pull the Deion Sanders!! I love the Falcons too much to lose him.
By T-Town Dawg
December 20, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
Famuan, I agree, the whole season has not been about DHall getting burned. Our receivers have been awful at best, Crump has not been very good this year, MV has been very inconsistent and the overall D has sucked since the Saints smacked them in the mouth in week 3. My point is about the Pro Bowl. DHall has no int’s since week 4 and has been toasted in every loss this year. He has not had a Pro Bowl type season and is going on reputation alone. As I said before, he may turn out to be one of the premier cb’s to ever play the game, but he is over rated right now. He has not proven himself in this league as of yet.
By chikn iz good
December 20, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
jessica simpson needs to have her fat azz in the pro bowl
By chikn iz good
December 20, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this
t-town dog is gay
By Hasavior
December 20, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
I don’t think Vick should be in the pro bowl this year. There were other Qb who teams were catching the ball on a consistent basis and making plays other than the falcons. So that hurt him. the rushing mark, is good, but does not qualify him as a running back. Rivers and breese has better outings because their recievers caught the ball and made plays, exceptional plays. That is why Breese is in and Vick is out. Simple as that.
By David
December 20, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Mike Vick should NOT be in the pro bowl. Bulger shouldn’t be going to Honolulu either. The reason why Vick should not be playing in the pro bowl is because Vick has led ALL starting NFL quarterbacks in fumbles. If you don’t believe go look it up. A quarterback that fumbles and throws interceptions in almost EVERY GAME THAT HE STARTS IN MY OPINION DOES NOT DESERVE A SPOT IN A PRO BOWL. If you give Vick a pro bowl nod you are saying to the world that you want your starting quarterback to fumble and throw at least one interception in every game, which is exactly what Vick does. Vick needs to sit down and give way to Schaubbie because Matt Schaub to the Falcons is exactly what Brett Farve was to the Falcons years ago when Brett was toiling in obscsurity on the Falcons bench. The Falcons traded Farve for just about nothing and Farve ended up being a Hall-Of-Fame quarterback. I see the exact same thing happening for Matt Schaub because Schaub has more talent than ANY quarterback that is currently playing in the NFL including Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or ANYONE else you can name. Schaub’s upside potential is UNLIMITED. Schaub can throw an 80-yard bomb on a dime with pinpoint precision and I really don’t think that Vick is capable of doing that. Do youself a favor Falcons management and give Vick a permanent position on the Falcons bench while handing him a clipboard to carry for Matt Schaub. Casue I tell you, Schaub will rewrite all of the passing records once he is given a chance at a starting position anywhere in the National Football League.
By tonio
December 20, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
To all of the Keith Brooking’s fans, What games were ya’ll watching? I need you all to call Flowery Branch and request game tape and watch how Keith can’t get off blocks or runs himself right out of the play. Till this day, i have never heard Brookings name mentioned in the same sentence as Brooks, Merriman, Adalis Thomas. What are you people basing your comments on… Tackles? Hell, he’s a linebacker. Have you seen what happens when he blitzes? Wow!!!!
By johnmrog
December 20, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
To dennis: I never said Brooking didn’t make any tackles. All I’m saying is that the VAST majority of his tackles aren’t made face-up to the ball carrier, but instead while he’s busy reading the ball carriers name and number from the back end. Watch Derrick Brooks, Demarcus Ware, Brian Urlacher, Ray Lewis meet players in the hole and make tackles while Brooking chases’em down from behind. Keith Brooking isn’t a Pro Bowl caliber linebacker and hasn’t played that way in YEARS.
By chikn iz good
December 20, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
Keith Brooking sucks, Michael Vick sucks, Alge Crumpler sucks, Roddey White sucks, and DeAngela Hoe sucks too.
By D'HALL STILL SUX
December 20, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Y’all know I’ve got to blog about this crap talking-getting spit in the face no covering or soft coverting 12 yd. cushion giving A-hole!
D’Hall embarassed us by ripping off the helmet of Detroit quarterback Jon Kitna,gettingburned by Roy Williams of the Lions, getting beat deep by the Saints Devery Henderson and allowing two touchdown passes last week to the Cowboys’ Terrell Owens, who accentuated things by spitting in Hall’s face.
Man up b*** and don’t get your a* burnt in Hawaii!
Aloha A-HOLE!
P.S. You still suck even though your homies from Balcksburg voted countlessly for your sorry a*! You better call your Mama and thank her for rallying the “boyz in the hood” for those votes rigged, P.S.S. e.b. You are an idiot and need to lay off the crack is whack!!!
Beachhhhhhh!
By Cedric
December 20, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
It is amazing that any of the Falcons made it to the Pro Bowl. Obviously there is a lack of quality at cornerback — I’ve seen D. Hall get burned on numerous occasions. I have never been a supported of D. Hall – I often refer to him as R Buchannan. The key for Hall in the future “KEEP MOUTH SHUT” and “PLAY BALL!” Alge – possibly. He has had a superb season but has dropped balls in crucial situations —- guess you can say that for all Tight Ends. Those of you who think…I say again think Vick deserves, you need to disregard loyalty and look at the quality of play. One of the problems with Vick is, he has one pass (100 mph). The Falcons should hire Steve Young to mentor the young man and I guarantee he will be an “OUTSTANDING” quarterback…Oh yes that’s if he listens!
By HH from Gainesville
December 20, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
Brooking got overlooked because he is too versatile! He is our best MLB and our best OLB! Sorry, Keith! You deserved the nod.
By chikn iz good
December 20, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
there is no way michael vick should be in the pro bowl. he collapses under pressure in every big game and he throws a pick or coughs up a fumble every d* game. Ahhhhhhhhhhh
By chikn iz good
December 20, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
michael vick is not a quarterback, he needs to be like a wide receiver or somthing because he cannot throw it in the ocean standing on the beach although he could probably throw it over and he always tries to squeeze it through tight windows instead of throwing it to the open receiver
By Hate the Saints
December 20, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
The Falcons receivers have been shutting themselves down all year. That is better than D-Hall has done.
By Famuan
December 20, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
T-Town dawg, you say Mike has been inconsistent, yet you say the receivers and the Pro_bowl TE have been horrible……exactly how do you measure inconsistency? If completion percentage is the end all/be all of determining “inconsistency”…then how does Vick NOT be inconsistent if the receivers don’t catch the balls that hit them in their darn hands?? There’s no logic to that. Chad Johnson says get it near me, Larry Fitzgerald says as long as its within 10 feet…but Vick has to hit a bulleye while on the move in a collapsing pocket. Damn! The Falcons have far less passing attempts, but 2nd in drop percentages. 22nd in passing attempts, but Vick is 7th in TDs passes. Now there’s a stat that defies the “Vick is inconsistent” theory. He’s passing less than 21 QBs, but 7th in TD throws. Go fgure. Plus, what other QB is EXPECTED to be a significant part of the running game? Why is it that the Panthers or Colts “have no running game”…and that’s an issue, but Vick is expected to BE the running game if both the 1st and 2nd string running backs are injured? Half his yards are from broken down plays and yet he leads the league in yards per rush…by more than 3 FULL YARDS. Vick runs 20 yards down the field to recover a fumble that no other QB would even dream about recovering, and when he gets the ball…does he fall on it? Nope, he keeps moving until knocked out of bounds. That one play is worth the ticket price. Hll, Vick needs a raise.
By reverend run
December 20, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
did anyone find it a little more than ironic and hypocritical that marshall, deion, & gumbel all called out vick for giving up when in fact the only reason marshall & deion were in the booth in the 2nd half was because according to the wisdom of Bryant, Marshall, & Deion, Dick Vermeil had given up on the game, job, and his broadcast team because of a sore throat? hypocritical indeed!!
By Ryno
December 20, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
Rev Run, to compare vermeil to vick is just dumb. Second, vermeil didn’t give up NFL network pulled him because it was annoying listening to him with that voice. Good try and trying to defend vick with a little groin pull though when the playoffs are on the line.
By ICEMAN
December 20, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
reverend run for it,
Vermiel didn’t quit just because he had a sore throat. He could barely speak clearly. He shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Show a little sympathy will ya?
By Titothebear
December 20, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
What an outrage! I cannot believe the Falcons would have so few Pro Bowlers. The real outrage is that they would have any!
By Titothebear
December 20, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
What an outrage! I cannot believe the Falcons would have so few Pro Bowlers. The real outrage is that they would have any!
By mo
December 20, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
Will someone please bring up race so that I can chime in?
By ryno
December 20, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
Famuan, vick needs a raise, perhaps the funniest line I have ever heard in my life. First off, vick has 11 TDs in 3 games this season. If you are able to do math, that is 8 TDs in the other 11 games. Inconsistency right there. Next, in those three games, those were three of the worst secondary’s going when the falcons played them. Thirdly, that fumble vick recovered bounced right up to him, so obviously any quarterback would keep running. He averages more yards per carry because a lot of the times he knows he can’t make a good throw so he is forced to run for 15 yards instead of trying to hit the post route for 30. Thats my piece.
By ICEMAN
December 20, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
Titothebear,
You’re getting soft on me buddy! Provided that that was really you commenting.
By DrJay
December 20, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
I have to respond to this uninformed, ignorant poster named David from 11:15AM on this blog. First, I want to show you stats on turnovers for QB’s:
Tom Brady - 16 Turnovers Drew Brees - 14 Turnovers Carson Palmer - 18 Turnovers Marc Bulger - 11 Turnovers Brett Favre - 20 Turnovers Big Ben - 22 Turnovers Rex Grossman - 21 Turnovers Chad Pennington - 20 Turnovers Tony “Homo” - 11 Turnovers in 8 games Eli Manning - 19 Turnovers
Ok, drum roll please….. Michael Vick - 14 turnovers.
Vick is 38-26-1 since 2001 as a starter. Falcons are 9-20 since 2001 when Vick is not the starter.
Vick is the Franchise. And, David, I would have you know that I am a white, 30-something, male, from Atlanta and have been suppporting this team since the early 80’s.
Note to Vick haters: Get a life!
By dookeyshot
December 20, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
Who cares this is Bulldog Country…………..
By Cap
December 20, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
What makes Deion the ultimate hyprocrite is that he gave up on the entire Atlanta Falcons franchise. I don’t think he is one to criticize someone else for not giving full effort.
By dennis
December 20, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
Why is it that with every single article on the Falcons, the blogs turn into “Vick sucks” or “Vick is the best QB in history”, with the same people making the same comments over and over and over blah blah blah. I’m sure if one of the AJC writers had an article entitled “Falcons buy new truckload of jockstraps”, the bloggers would turn it into another argument about Vick. Give it a rest already!
By mo
December 20, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
DrJay,
Can you and I get together sometime?
By T-Town Dawg
December 20, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
Famuan, I didn’t know numbers like Ryno posted above, but just watching all the games this year, I felt that MV had only played a handful of good games. He was great vs Pitt, Cincy, Dallas and pretty good against Wash. Other than that, he was average at best. Let me make one thing clear in this argument. I am not a Vick fan, but I am a Falcon fan. I want the team to do well, so I want Vick to do well. I am not trying to bash Michael Vick, just making an argument as to why I think he didn’t belong in the Pro Bowl. Another thing, not directed at you, but I wonder why Big Grady isn’t getting more props here? He has been the best and most consistent force on our D all year.
By Hayden
December 20, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this
Deion is just trying to get where the $$$ are - haven’t y’all figured that out by now?
By ICEMAN
December 20, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
Jimmy Johnson will fit right into our program. He’s what the Falcons need.
By Ryno
December 20, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this
Hey Dr. Jay, what is mike vicks record against teams above .500?
By Ryno
December 20, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this
Also Dr. Jay, Romo isn’t a homo, is that the best you can do? He went out with jessica simpson. If you want to go that way how about Mike “The VD” vick. At least that is true.
By GMAN
December 20, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
I think D Hall is a good corner and if we had a free safety that provided any help, then he could excel. If he stopped running his mouth he would not get spit on as much and may play better. If Vick converted more third downs then he could throw more passes to Algea who would be in more of a groove. Does Hartwell have any tackles yet?
By Art
December 20, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
At least D-Hall is good at talking about defense. Now if he could only play it.
By Ken Strickland
December 20, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
T-TOWN DAWG, it is the scheme. Everyone seems to be focusing on DHall, but the fact is every DB on our roster is having the same problems. Have you noticed that everytime our secondary gets burned, we are in Donatell’s beloved soft cover 2-3zone. When Donatell is forced to play man coverages, and pressure the QB, our DEF has been most successful. It seems after 1 successful game, and the pressure is off, Donatell reverts back to his beloved zone DEF. Even when successfully playing the man cover scheme, he uses his zone scheme on key passing downs, and we get burned everytime.
Some coaches are married to a particular system, and their personal limitations won’t permit them to function comfortably outside of that system. Remember our former DC, Wade Phillips. He’s married to the 3-4DEF, and couldn’t adjust even though we didn’t have the proper talent to execute it properly. He ran that DEF regardless, and we got torched by everybody, which helped get he and Reeves fired. With the proper talent needed to successfully run that DEF, he’s having great success in San Diego.
These types of coaches just aren’t very flexible, and can’t seem to adj. their system and/or mentality to fit the available talent. Donatell has been fired before for the problems he is having now. Knapp is more creative when it come to fitting a system to the talent available. His problem is his lack of flexibility when it comes to implimenting said system. He cannot seem to bring himself to use his RB’s as REC’s, his FB as a rusher, be more creative and daring in his play selection, allow his QB’s to change his plays, or install pass routes that don’t take so long to develop.
You can point fingers at certain players, to satisfy personal hangups, all you want. But a better system, or better implimentation of that system, would solve most of the problem involving individual players.
By parks
December 20, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this
hey GMAN, according to this board tackles don’t mean anything. Brooking has 120 but most on this board think he is the worst linebacker to ever play
By Ken Strickland
December 20, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this
T-TOWN DAWG, it is the scheme. Everyone seems to be focusing on DHall, but the fact is every DB on our roster is having the same problems. Have you noticed that everytime our secondary gets burned, we are in Donatell’s beloved soft cover 2-3zone. When Donatell is forced to play man coverages, and pressure the QB, our DEF has been most successful. It seems after 1 successful game, and the pressure is off, Donatell reverts back to his beloved zone DEF. Even when successfully playing the man cover scheme, he uses his zone scheme on key passing downs, and we get burned everytime.
Some coaches are married to a particular system, and their personal limitations won’t permit them to function comfortably outside of that system. Remember our former DC, Wade Phillips. He’s married to the 3-4DEF, and couldn’t adjust even though we didn’t have the proper talent to execute it properly. He ran that DEF regardless, and we got torched by everybody, which helped get he and Reeves fired. With the proper talent needed to successfully run that DEF, he’s having great success in San Diego.
These types of coaches just aren’t very flexible, and can’t seem to adj. their system and/or mentality to fit the available talent. Donatell has been fired before for the problems he is having now. Knapp is more creative when it come to fitting a system to the talent available. His problem is his lack of flexibility when it comes to implimenting said system. He cannot seem to bring himself to use his RB’s as REC’s, his FB as a rusher, be more creative and daring in his play selection, allow his QB’s to change his plays, or install pass routes that don’t take so long to develop.
You can point fingers at certain players, to satisfy personal hangups, all you want. But a better system, or better implimentation of that system, would solve most of the problem involving individual players.
By jean
December 20, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
Damn, Stanford didn’t want Greg Knapp, either!! Who can we pay to take him off of our hands???? Unless A. Blank gives Jimmy an ultimatum I.e. Knapp goes or you both go, we’re stuck with him, ahhhhhhhhh. A glimmer of light & now it’s out. Sigh. Also, I think Warrick couldn’ve easily gone to the pro bowl but the compeitition at his position is fierce. The pro bowl is a big joke anyway, everyone knows that. That’s why nobody watches it! Go Birds, have some pride & show you’re not done yet!
By Famuan
December 20, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
Yes, T-Town Dawg, Grady was robbed, I definitely agree on that. According to Brian Finneran, Jim Mora and Rich McKay, there have been 39 dropped passes, of which 6 were TDs and 2 other TDs have been called back for penalties. Just taking half those numbers (because every QB has dropped passes)….what exactly do you want Vick to do? Catch the very balls he throws?? Have you heard the way Peyton gushes over his receivers making difficult catches? Carlson Palmer? Did you see Holt make that backward, falling down over a CB’s back pass?? Just give Vick HALF the dropped passes and 3 of the TDs and THEN is he considered consistent? Are you looking for 60% completions from the thrower, but not 60% from the catcher? Umm, sorry, that just won’t work…BOTH have to participate, throw and catch..for it to be complete. On top of that, the “team” rushing yards…is a complete farce. Vick at QB has spoiled these Falcons fans into believing his nearly 1000 yards is normal, therefore we discount it as insignificant to the offense. Defenses don’t gameplan for the Falcons, they game plan for Michael Vick. If containing the Falcons offense means containing one player, how the h*ll can you say THAT player is inconsistent? Seems like the other 10 on the field might bear some responsibility for “inconsistency”.
By Famuan
December 20, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
Ryno, you can’t be serious. The ball didn’t magically float up into Vick’s hands on that fumble recovery, furthermore, like I said, he was 20 yards away when it happened. No other QB in this league, past or present, would have the speed and athleticism to even be near that ball. Also, if you want to talk about Vick’s TD throws and not even mention the 8 TDs that have been dropped (6) or called back because of penalties (2), then go right ahead, the bias is clear.
By Ken Strickland
December 20, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
DRJAY, facts don’t lie, and no intelligent individual can argue with the facts. You did notice I said INTELLIGENT individual, right. Thanks for you imput.
T-TOWNDAWG, Donatell’s DEF scheme requires our LB’s to play 5-6yds off the line of scrimmage. Added to that is the fact that Brookings plays on the outside. Anyone that knows how to watch and/or evaluate football, knows it’s not feasible to expect him to make tackles behind the line from his position.
Most of the bashing and negative comments on these blogs, is more reflective of the ignorance, immaturity, and lack of emotional and mental development of the person doing the bashing than the person being bashed.
By GMAN
December 20, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
Your right Parks. Brooking is not flashy but he’s the one that makes the stops. I think Hartwell looked good because of Ray Lewis or maybe he just has not healed. Either way, he’s a big dissapointment. T-TOWN makes good points. Dunn was Tampas leading receiver for four years. Also, why did that fullback pass to the flat dissapear for ten games?
By chikn iz good
December 20, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this
the falcons need to get some receivers in the draft
By SICEM
December 20, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
I was unaware that there was a position in football called foul mouthed non productive punk until this season. Obviously that is the position D.Hall will play in the pro bowl as that is the position he plays for the Falcons. What T.O. did to him was bad but he had it coming. Pro bowl quality YEA RIGHT!
By T-Town Dawg
December 20, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
Ken Strickland, I agree that Donatell’s system has hurt the team more than any one player. I also agree that the only time they are successful is when they pressure the qb and play man to man. The few times they stopped Dallas was the result of pressure on Romo. With that in mind, read my earlier post concerning shut down corners. DHall considers himself to be one, so he should not be looking for help over the top. TO beat him straight up, man to man, as did Hines Ward with one shoe.
By rick
December 20, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
I guess if you talk enough you get to be a pro-bowler. D. Fall probably called all his nfl friends and asked them to vote for him. What a friggin joke.
By T-Town Dawg
December 20, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Famuan, I have no argument on your last point. The receivers have been extremely bad, and Vick’s numbers would be better if they caught the balls they are supposed to catch, not counting any of the tough catches. Ken Strickland, You have got the wrong guy. I have not bashed Brooking. As a matter of fact, I said earlier that he was not as bad as most of these guys try to make him out to be. Maybe, just maybe, you are the ignorant, immature one here. You can keep the sarcastic bs to yourself. Ryno, Vick, for his career, is 9-21-1 against teams with a winning record. 29-10 against teams at 500 or worse.
By GMAN
December 20, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this
Could it be that we have four very good receivers that get a)to few chances to stay sharp. b)balls comming at them from everywhere but the pocket. c)passes on a rope when they don’t expect it. I know I’m opening myself up to critisizm but these guys were considered the best in college and now they’re bad? I’ve been trying to figure out all year if it’s something he’s doing or if we just happened to have four formerly great receivers that all forgot how to catch at the same time. I’m just saying if Crumpler can’t catch the ball, it’s time to look a little deeper.
By JohnGTfan
December 20, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Not being argumentative, but could people please stop saying that Brooking is the best Falcon and makes all the plays. Yes, he does get a lot of tackles…after 8-12 yard gains down field. I’ve always given him this…he plays his heart out. I love that about him, always have. But he’s simply become a liability. This is professional football, and it’s about winning. As I said yesterday, the linebacking corps needs a shake-up. Just once, I’d like to see a Falcon LB, with the exception of Boley, get off a block…make a tackle at the line, or at least close to it, defend a TE, something.
By GMAN
December 20, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
I think if we had a legit MLB then Brooking with his speed could excel at the weak side. If Hartwell could slow anyone down then Brookings tackles would be closer to the line. My problem with Brooking is that he doesn’t make hard hits and therefore does not intimidate. What I like about Brooking is that when everyone lays down in the fourth quarter he is still making plays(OK 9 yards deep) but someone should have slowed those suckers down
By SICEM
December 20, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this
GMAN you speak the obvious but you had better duck because a lot of people in this town cant see the obvious.
By Famuan
December 20, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this
T-Town Dawg, I wish we could look at the games against teams with winning records and really analyze them - offensively and defensively. Do you really believe if we look at those games, you will find that it was more of our offense getting shutdown by the opposing defenses or the Falcons defense couldn’t stop me from running up the middle or catching a post pattern for a 30 yard gain? Tampa Bay had a pretty good defense last year - Vick & the offense was great, but Cadillac Williams looked like Jim Brown. Chicago just shut Vick and the offense down - and then the Chicago DEs turned around and said any other QB than Vick and they would have sacked him 10 times instead of 4. What does that tell you? I guess he needs to block for himself, catch his own throws, return punts and play cover corner too. I guess that’s why I feel for Brooking, he’s been asked to play OLB, MLB and h*ll, sometimes straight up End, but we expect him to play any position with the same ability as his natural one.
By ICEMAN
December 20, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
Jimmy Johnson will straighten this mess out when he gets here.
By Bubba
December 20, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this
DRJAY, you call another poster “ignorant” then you refer to Tony Romo as Tony “Homo”?? What are you 10? BTW, Over-rated Vick is 15-15 in his last 30 games and has never won a championship at any level.
By Famuan
December 20, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this
Does Barry Sanders not having a Super Bowl Ring make him any less the future HOF’er that he is? What was the Lions record against winning teams with Barry in the backfield? Is Marino less of a talent because he doesn’t have one either? Peyton’s been in the league 9 years, McNabb too…..are they busts because they haven’t led their teams to the Super Bowl?? See how moronic it is to place the burden of a team winning on just the star QB or the star RB…..Or is it Mike Vick is BOTH for the Falcons, therefore he should be judged like a team unto himself?
By DrJay
December 20, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this
Hey Bubba:
It is unimaginable for someone to think that Michael Vick is not a championship caliber quarterback. He led a subpar Virginia Tech team to the National Championship game and would have taken them back the following season had he not gotten hurt and missed 1 game that they lost. As you know, typically, if you lose one game in college football, you usually do not go to the championship game.
Please name another Quarterback that has a better record over an extended period of time in Falcons history other than Steve Bartkowski and Michael Vick. THERE ARE NONE.
I don’t care about Vick’s record against teams with a winning record. The fact of the matter is that the Falcons are 38-26-1 with Vick as their QB and 9-20 with a different starting qb since 2001. The losing record against winning teams speaks volumes about his supporting cast and how they don’t step up (dropped passes, injuries, coaching, etc…)
Just think about how poorly the Falcons teams would be without Vick. All these games that are on TV would be blacked out because noone wants to come and watch Kurt Kitner or Doug Johnson. And, matt schaub, though I am a fan of his, would never sell out a dome and have opposing defenses worrying about stopping him.
Be patient and you will see Michael Vick win a championship with a team that is healthy and a team that catches the football.
Go Falcons!!!
By t-towndawg
December 20, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this
Famuan, I’m not arguing Vick’s record against winning teams or losing teams, although I was shocked when I researched that. I thought it might be more even. Anyway, I was just answering someone else’s question. For the record though, all the Vick lovers use his winning record and his winning percentage to justify how great they think he is. With that in mind, is HIS winning percentage that great considering 75% of his wins came against inferior teams? What’s so special about winning the ones you are supposed to win?
By DrJay
December 20, 2006 08:53 PM | Link to this
Winning teams would not be winning teams if many teams had winning records against them. I know that is deep, but ponder it for a moment.
Also, go back and look at Marino’s Miami Dolphins and Elway’s Broncos. Several years of average to below average records but Marino finally played in a superbowl and Elway won one at the end of his career.
Patience folks.
Also, please someone put up stats of Big Ben, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, or Carson Palmer’s record against winning teams. I would be curious to see the difference, not that it would matter too much of what I think of those qb’s.
By Ken Strickland
December 20, 2006 11:28 PM | Link to this
T-TOWN DAWG, my comments weren’t directed at you, or anyone specifically. However, after rereading my post, I see how it could be taken that way. At any rate, I think I owe you and others an apology.
Also, if DHall says he was expecting help, you can bet the secondary was playing zone. He was probably in an over/under zone scheme. The CB lets the REC pass him and plays the under coverage. He protects against underthrown passes, or sudden breaks in the route. The safety plays over coverage to protect against deep fly or slant routes. It’s basically a double team that sandwiches the REC.
T.O. didn’t beat DHall, he beat the zone coverage, which was obviously blown. The players and coaches that vote know very well that DHall seldom gets beaten in man coverage. It’s Donatell’s beloved soft cover 2-3 zone that gets consistently torched. They know when DHall is allowed to use his talents, and play man coverage, he is one of the NFL’s best. All the average fans know is the end result, and what they think they see.
By Ryno
December 20, 2006 11:54 PM | Link to this
T town, thanks for doing that research, I knew it was something like that, just wanted to prove that vick doesn’t beat good teams. Last time I checked to be the best you have to beat the best.
By Famuan
December 21, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
Again T-Town Dawg and Ryno, are you saying Barry Sanders is a bust because the Lions were so dismal? What about Marino? Look at his “wins” through out his entire career. Do you expect Vick to play defense also? Well, h*ll, he already plays 2 position on offense, I guess you do. The reasoning…or lack thereof, just baffles me. The Ravens DE says he would rather play Peyton 5 times than play Vick ever again and our silly fans blame him for losses…but ironically go ballistic if he’s praised for a win - then it becomes a “team” win. Go figure.
By Famuan
December 21, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this
Do any of you who keep spouting out records against winning teams realize how many Hall of Famer’s would have to be eliminated if that was criteria for getting into Canton? Should Gale Sayers or Walter Payton have been benched when the Bears didn’t get to immediate success within the first 5 years of their starting for the team? What about Jim Brown? See how STUPID that is? Blame Vick for the losses AND the wins aren’t “good enough” either? D*mn……obviously you hold him to a standard not met by ANYONE PERIOD.
By webhead
December 21, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
Just look at the defense in the 4th quarter. there’s only 1 player still playing like it the 1st and all you guys think we would be better off without him? There’s a reason other teams run away from Brooking. There’s a reason that other teams send linemen to block him out . He’s the best player on that sorry defense And most of you guys just don’t understand the game enough to know what opposing teams have known for a long time now.Try to control Brooking an this defense will fold.
By Jay Black
December 21, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Somebody name 6 better corners in the NFC than DHall.
By VickBeliever
December 21, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
All you racist Vick haters are terrible. I wish you guys would go back to the woods and finish your hunting. It is a shame that he what no selected to the Pro Bowl. Was it me or did it appear the coaches and fans celebrated Morten Anderson accomplishments more than Vicks. Do you haters realize what this man did 1000 yards rushing and over 2700 yards passing. That is incredible not to say he did it with back-up players.
By Ryno
December 21, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Famuan, you were the one who originally brought up record, I was just trying to show how vick doesn’t beat good teams. Second, don’t ever compare great running backs with vick. Thirdly, running backs don’t get the wins. They don’t put out winning percentage for a running back, only the quarterback. Lastly, statistics wise those guys still were great, while vick “in his 6th year” is still inconsistent and one of the lowest rated at his position.
By Call me Earl
December 21, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
Grady Jackson is the only Falcon that deserves to go to the Pro-Bowl
M.Vick didn’t have the numbers, but he showed 125% effort. I didn’t see that from anyone else. The young guys played well as expected, but nothing outstanding this year.
By Ken Strickland
December 21, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
RYNO, MVick is considered one of the lowest rated QB’s in the league, BY PEOPLE WITH ISSUES THAT DON’T KNOW ANY BETTER. The NFL coaches and players that know the game, his unique talents, and the challenges he presents, say you are all wrong. Two consecutive Probowls, in 4yrs as a starter, proves his peers consider him one of the NFL’s highest rated QB’s.
Now, the players and coaches that selected MVick obviously had access to the information you deem so revelant, but chose to ignore its relevance. The opinion of those who think MVick is a low rated QB is in direct oppostion to those shared by NFL coaches and players. Just answer this one question. Do you think the personal assessment of MVick, as a low rated QB, by certain fans, should be valued above that of the NFL coaches and players he competes against? COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC SHOULD GIVE YOU THE CORRECT ANSWER.
By Ryno
December 21, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this
Just because Vick is cute doesn’t mean I have to like him.
By The Real Ryno
December 21, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this
Yes he did make pro bowls, but what about this year, finally players realize that you know what he’s just not that good. Those same players you talk about were voting him for potential obviously. He has what you consider to be great stats this year and is he going to Hawaii? I can’t hear you? Also, numbers don’t lie, he is one of the lowest rated qb’s.
By Famuan
December 21, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
Ryno, are you serious? Well okay, explain Marino’s lack of success, since “success” is defined by a Super Bowl. As a matter of fact, Peyton’s been in the league 9 years…what’s up with that?? But Tom Brady has a ring…3 of them….but he’s not going to that Pro Bowl this year I see. You keep bringing up stats, a bunch of numbers that can be manipulated anyway you want. Fine, here’s some numbers you don’t seem to bring up: age…of which Vick’s, at 26, is STILL one of the youngest in the league….. collegiate experience.. of which Vick’s, at only 2 years, is the LEAST of any QB right now or in the past….how about another 2? That would be head coaches. Here’s a number, 3!! Number of years in current system…..also the number that Steve Young says it takes in minimum years to acclimate to this offensive scheme. How about 7? Rank in TD passes for Vick. Don’t forget 22, rank in PASSING ATTEMPTS - that’s funny, he doesn’t throw as much, but ranks higher than 15 others in TD throws? Now there’s a stat for you.
By Ryno
December 21, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this
Your going to bring up collegiate experience. Thats funny, maybe if he stayed in college longer he’d be better, is that what your saying? Yea, peyton hasn’t done much in the nfl. Couple mvps, almost 50 td passes one season, yea good call bringing him up. For what vick is he is the most overhyped overrated player in the game. No way can you doubt that. Also the other guys show max effort every game no matter their record. Wasn’t it vick that came out and said he didn’t show max effort against the panthers last year. What a great teammate.
By Ryno
December 21, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this
Forgot to mention your saying it takes 3 years to learn a system. So after mora is fired, does vick get another three year reprieve of being ordinary? Are you going to be sitting there in his 9th year in the league saying well its the third year of this system he should really take off?
By Famuan
December 21, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this
Ryno, that whoosh above your head was the point. I pointed out that Vick had only 2 years of collegiate experience, to shows that he has come just as far, with half as much….get that? All the accolades in the world for Peyton mean absolutely nothing - he can throw for 5,000 yards and what does that mean…nothing but 5,000 yards. Sorry to break that to you. Peyton has 3 more years on Vick and he has gotten his team the same place as the Falcons on Super Bowl Sunday…somewhere watching from a distance. People love to bring up stats as if that is the end all/be all of success. Well Vick has plenty of records - that’s why his shoes are in Canton right now. Funny, you didn’t address how Vick managed to be 7th in TD throws but 22nd in Passing Attempts. And you don’t seem to think drops have an effect on passing completions…unless you think Vick should catch his passes too…which wouldn’t suprise me if you did.
By Ken Strickland
December 21, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this
RYNO, how far from reality are you willing to drift, in your feable attempt to justify your wishful thinking. You profess to know the unanimous reason, POTENTIAL, every NFL player and coach voted MVick into the Probowl. You are implying that you are more knowledgeabe, intelligent and perceptive than all NFL coaches and players that voted for him.
You are so far removed from reality, and obsessed with wanting your wishful thinking to somehow be valid, you aren’t even aware that you’ve destroyed your own argument. In your 02:55PM post you stated, “THOSE SAME PLAYERS YOU TALK ABOUT WERE VOTING HIM FOR POTENTIAL OBVIOUSLY. HE HAS WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE GREAT STATS THIS YR AND IS HE GOING TO HAWAII?
(1)You have previously used selective stats, attempting to justify your view of him as a low rated QB. Now you acknowledge he has what could be considered great stats. (2)If, as you have stated, MVick was selected to consecutive Probowls based of potential, I guess you can say the same for Tony Romo. And how do you explain Mark Bolger. Most of his stats aren’t any better than MVicks, in fact, some aren’t as good. Was he also selected on potential. (3)MVick, with 2 gms left, has more TD’s, fewer INT’s, and more passing and rushing yds than his last 2Probowl seasons. This yrs on field performance obviously isn’t the reason he’s not going to Hawaii. Could it be the finger incident, and/or calling his OC out nationally before the Steeler gm. But accepting that would destroy your little paradigm.
Always remember this little bit of wisdom RYNO, IGNORING THE TRUTH, DOESN’T CHANGE TO TRUTH.
By Ryno
December 21, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this
I have never said vick isn’t a great athlete and hasn’t broken a record. However, Peyton is a lock for the hall of fame. Next, my thing about vick is consistency, 11 TD passes in 3 games translates to an avg of 3.6666 tds per game. However, in the other 11 games he has 8 total, which is .72 per game. Don’t get me started on dropped td passes, everybody has them. Also last time I checked you have to be three years out of high school to get drafted. Now he started for two years, he isn’t the first person to do this my friend. Don’t blame that on why he isn’t good.
By Ryno
December 21, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this
I would love to be Vick’s “receiver”.Know what I mean?
By Famuan
December 21, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this
Wrong Ryno, He is the only starting QB in the NFL to have only 2 years as a starter in college (redshirt freshman) …..and what excuse are you talking about? That just speaks to his amazing talent. Please, do get started on dropped TD passes..so I can get started YET AGAIN on passing attempts. He passes for less, but gets the same results or better than those with more attempts. 22nd in passing attempts, 7th in TD passes. Oh and speaking of yards - since when is 3300 yards a bad thing? Oh, don’t wanna count those rushing yards(or should I say scrambling yards for lack of pass protection)? Johnny Unitas would have a cracked rib in 3 plays with our line and you wanna blame the passing game on Vick? I see……hate is an ugly thing.
By Famuan
December 21, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this
Ryno, you’re dangerously close to advocating losses just to get better passing “stats”. Vick doesn’t throw a TD pass in a game, but we win…but that’s not good enough. You point out 3 games as if the other 4 are not “good wins” or less of a win than….well….a win. But its actually a compliment to Vick when people dismiss the need for him to have good pass protection or receivers that make plays on the ball…he should “overcome” that and throw TDs anyway. He can throw on the run….and be just as accurate as if he had set his feet….right? I mean, isn’t it normal for a QB to stiff-arm Polamalu while scrambling to throw for the 1st down? Doesn’t every QB sprint 20 yards down the field to recover a fumble? I could have sworn most hand off and then stand there waiting for the next play….that’s gotta be wrong, all of them do that.
By Ken Strickland
December 21, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this
Come on RYNO, you are starting to ramble. Yes, PManning is a HOF lock, but that has nothng to do with MVick. And you are right, all teams, to a varying degree, have issues with dropped passes. But, common sense should tell you that all teams don’t lead the NFL in dropped passes. It’s revealing how you place absolute value in the difference in MVick’s TD completion percentages over 22gms. Yet you trivialize the fact his REC’s lead the NFL in dropped TD passes, dropped 3rd down passes and dropped passes overall.
I’m not going to waste anymore time and effort with your wishful thinking and your obsession with berating MVicks. What I said earlier is still true, IGNORING THE TRUTH, DOESN’T CHANGE THE TRUTH. Grow up.
By Ryno
December 21, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this
Do you think vick is gonna watch the playoffs at his house or do you think he is gonna go to d halls house to watch it? Also, rating is an official NFL statistic d*******. Its not me combining stats to make vick look bad, he does that on his own. I wouldn’t want to get anywhere near vick and his herpes by the way. Keep wearing those number 7 ron mexico jerseys.
By Ken Strickland
December 22, 2006 12:09 AM | Link to this
FAMUAN, as you can see, trying to reason with RYNO is nothing more than an effort in futility. A total waste of time. How can you get through to someone when there is no intellectual entry point. He needs to hate someone, MVick, or something, UGA, to feel necessary. Don’t waste your in the face facts, and common sense knowledge on him. He conveniently stays away form the stat the shows MVick is currently one of the winningest QB’s in the NFL.
He uses MVick nonselection to this yrs Probowl as proof his peers think he is a low rated QB. He ignores the implications of his 2 previous Probowl selections, while acknowledging this yrs stats are good enough for selection. Let this moron be whoever and/or whatever he is, or wants to be.
By Ryno
December 22, 2006 12:23 AM | Link to this
Yea wow, facts aren’t intellectual at all. Why do you keep saying vick is a high rated qb, IT IS AN OFFICIAL STATISTIC, and he never has been. “He is one of the winningest qb’s”. So if the falcons win its him, but if they lose its not his fault at all. Not too mention what T town found out that vick only has 9 wins against teams with a winning record. Yea what a stud. Stop saying I need to hate him, THE FACTS DON’T LIE.
By Famuan
December 22, 2006 06:17 AM | Link to this
Yeah Ken Strickland, I see that Ryno is so caught up in his hatred for Vick that he has stooped to personal attacks…the first sign of pure illogical hate…stop talking about football and get personal about the guy. Funny how he doesn’t seem to realize that in the NFL, all teams at least half the time are playing against a team with a LOSING record, that’s just common sense. A little bit more common sense and you will realize any team can lose on any given Sunday -and they ALL do. But apparently only Vick plays against winning teams, not our special teams, defense, O-line, receivers….just Vick….no wonder he loses. If only the haters would stop being so jealous of the man’s bank account and realize that the only reason the Falcons are even on the blip of the national media’s attention is because of Vick, the only reason the team stands a chance is because of Vick. Yeah, Ryno, many, many people have #7 jerseys - all across the US. As soon as you said that, your real issue with Vick was exposed. Its not about football, its about a very popular, wealthy young athlete who has many fans.
By Famuan
December 22, 2006 06:34 AM | Link to this
Heres a good read Ken Strickland, Wayne Gandy talks about the double standard imposed on Vick. No need to try and convince any haters to read it, their minds are closed to anything other than just pure hate of all things Vick:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-notes122106&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
By ICEMAN
December 22, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
I believe the true question is not,”is Vick a good quarterback, but can he lead the Falcons to a super bowl?” Bickering over stats does not deal with that essential problem.
By Famuan
December 22, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Iceman, Only if the rest of the team wants to go.
By Ken Strickland
December 22, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
ICEMAN, if leading a team to the SB is the criteria for being a good QB, the majority of the QB’s in NFL history, including most HOF QB’s, wouldn’t qualify.
FAMUAN, that was a very good and honestly presented article by Gandy. One other point about our little misguided friend, RYNO. He stated in his DEC 21, 02:55PM post, “YES HE DID MAKE PROBOWLS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS YR, FINALLY PLAYERS REALIZE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT HE’S JUST NOT THAT GOOD”. Now, an insightful, well adjusted individual would be able to see the obsurdity in that statement. RYNO was so caught up in his obsession with blaming MVick, he forgot that TBrady wasn’t voted to the Probowl either. I guess players finally realized HE’S JUST NOT THAT GOOD. RYNO needs to read some of his on bull_.
By Famuan
December 22, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this
Ya know Ken, at some point, we have to admit that there are those who simply don’t want Mike Vick at QB for reasons that they will never own up to. Instead, they hide behind “stats” that can be manipulated anyway you want. Jason Taylor said stats don’t matter, its if you have to gameplan for a QB, not the offense, but the QB. There are two that have that distinction, Tom Brady and Michael Vick - both not going to the ProBowl. Also, guess what Peyton’s career record is against teams with winning records? 34-38 - and BOTH of his top receivers will be in Hawaii with him. Wouldn’t exactly call that record stellar. Guess what the Falcons record this season is against teams that went to the play-offs in 2005? 7-2…but that doesn’t matter because those teams are all “losers” this year. That whole parity thing is just for people who defend Vick against those blinded by things other than what Mike does on the field. We just have to realize the argument about benching or trading Vick, isn’t really about football at all.
By Ken Strickland
December 22, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this
FAMUAN, I do have one problem with your posts. After I read your well written comments, I realize you haven’t left me with much to comment on(LOL).
By ICEMAN
December 22, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
Ken Strickland,
Is that your way of asking Famuan out on a date? Famuan keeps trying to insinuate race is playing an issue concerning Vick. It is not fair to blanket people who criticizes Vick as being racist. Who the hell cares what record the falcons have against teams who made the playoffs in 2005? This is 2006!!! Stats used as excuses for chronic blindedness is extremely ignorant.
By Famuan
December 22, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this
Thanks Ken, flattery will get you everywhere! Iceman, you’re right about stats…which is why I keep reiterating that stats can be manipulated at will, stats can be used for excuses from any angle - but for many critics of Vick, its all they have. Isn’t that sad?? So do you think I’m insinuating a racial component… or does your conscience know that one exists but your mouth (or in this case fingers) just won’t admit it? Or maybe the criticism of Vick that somehow slithers into the realm of (my favorite) “he can’t read defenses” is really just about his ability to read defenses. Yeah right. We usually hear that one right before we get to how he dresses, wears his hair, music he likes, yada, yada, yada. But no, I guess you believe Wayne Gandy is a secret member of the New Black Panther Party.
By Ken Strickland
December 22, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this
ICEMAN, to answer your question, no. Does what I said bring back any memories(just kidding). It’s foolish for anyone to think every criticism of MVick is racially motivated. However, it is just as foolish to think race isn’t a major factor. A large # of these ignorant morons make comments that are racially insensitive.
For example:(1)he’s a RB, not a QB. No one ever suggested, FTarkington, JElway, SYoung, or former rushing record holder BDouglas were RB’s instead of QB’s. (2)he can’t read DEF’s or he lacks the IQ to be a QB. No one has attributed any White QB’s failure to a lack of sufficient IQ(see RGrossman or CSimms @TB)(3)why not bench or trade Vick and see what Shaub can do. Or, Shaub is a better QB, just look at what he did in preseason or against the Patriots last yr. Now, Shaub is considered a better QB than Vick based on 3 losing starts and one good game statistically. Yet, when Vick has consecutive dominate games(Steelers, Bengals), both wins, it’s always lets see him do it all season.(4)Vick is currently one of the winningest QB’s in the NFL. But some ignore the wins and only focus on the losses and hold him accountable. Yet, when it comes to Shaub, his 3 losses and overall stats are ignored.
Anyone that doesn’t see the racial implications, and insensitivety, of these remarks and the deliberate oversights, has a problem. IF YOU ARE NOT A PART OF THE SALUTION, YOU ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM.
By ICEMAN
December 23, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
Famuan,
Wayne Gandy has been poisoned with the same mental slavery you and I have.
I’m going to address you and your boyfriend Ken Strickland at the same time:
The reason people did’nt consider Young,ELway, Tarkenton, and others as running backs is because they also were the greatest at passing the ball. Yes, they were all running QBs, but they never ever ran more than they throw. I happened to be a Vick fan, but even I recognize the need for improvement in the area of his passing game and I’m not going to point my racial fingers at others because they do to. All the QBs you listed to support your argument have either won multiple Super Bowls or multiple passing titles. Right now, the only mark our boy is setting is rushing for QBs! So unless you think that is racially motivated, you are just playing the blame game.
By Chris
December 23, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
For all the people that believe the Falcons were snubbed in the number of players selected to the Pro Bowl:
If our team had shown any consistancy on offense or defense this year then maybe our number of players selected would have been better. I believe the blame falls on the coaching staff, namely Knapp and Donatell. If Mora is not released at the end of the season then his top priority should be finding coordinators that can properly coach this talented group of players that Rich has brought in to help this team reach the greatness that we all have been waiting for.
By Ken Strickland
December 24, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
ICEMAN, I don’t recall labeling you as a racist, or saying any of your comments were racially motivated. Then again, no one knows the motivating factors behind your criticisms better than you. I will, however, offer criticism of your obviously limited comprehensive ability. It’s not an issue of gender, when people recognize and acknowledge the perceptiveness and insightness of others.
If you were more intellectually enclined, you would likely receive simular acknowledgements. So, if you want to make a point, make it. Don’t waste time and space despensing childish and neanderthal responses.
By Famuan
December 27, 2006 06:55 AM | Link to this
Iceman, which of those QBs you named won their multiple rings within the first 6 years of their professional career with young receivers (less than 3 years in the pros) behind a small, ranked 31st in pass protection, offensive line?? Which one? As a matter of fact, find just ONE in the history of the entire National Football League - even before the merger….just find ONE NAME. When you figure out the difference in rushing as opposed to scrambling - then you should honestly ask yourself which is Vick doing? Saving a play or just rushing because he can?? The man has bad protection and who can deny the dropped pass plague we’ve had this season….but you want him to keep passing??? To who? when? So his number can be worse and you start maligning him about that?? Dmn! Why is his standard higher? Because of his contract? Hll, he’s paid for one position, he’s currently playing two…I guess he needs to start playing some cover corner too.
By David
December 27, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
Some Falcons were singing Christmas Carols early when they got crushed by the Saints a few weeks ago. D’Angelo gave us his rendition of “Deck the Halls” as he was crushed right before halftime on the Hail Mary pass from Drew Brees.
By rufus
January 2, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
Morten Andersen,an eight-time Pro Bowler who has played the most NFL games of any player. Each time Mort kicks a ball through the uprights he breaks an NFL record - his own. Thanks Mort for coming back to the Falcons. One Atlanta Flacon player that sure needs to go to the Pro Bowl is Mort