Falcons

By Jeff

October 20, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Yeah, maybe after Vick is sacked 5 or more times Sunday, Knapp/Mora will allow him to audbile.

His inability to audible is a major reason Vick and the offensive line looks so bad against the pass rush. If Knapp hasn’t called the right protection, the offense is out of luck.

Knapp has to go!

By birdwatcher

October 20, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Win or lose it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme. Vick is not a leader, he is one of if not the most elusive players in the league, but he is not a quarterback, he is a very elusive thrower. That is what must change

By larry w.

October 20, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Personally, I feel that it is about time that the leaders of the offense speak out about the boring, predictable playcalling. Vick is absolutely correct when he says that you cannot run on first down every time. My brother and I watch every Falcons game and we always predict a running play before it happens and we are always right! If we know this, of course the opposing teams know this. There is absolutely no imagination in our offensive play calling. I am not one to call for someone’s job, but in this case I believe it is warranted when it comes to Knapp. Two OCs were fired this week. It should have been three!

By Joe Barich

October 20, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Greg Knapp is unquestionably one of the worst offensive cooridinators in the NFL. Name one other coordinator who said it would take three years to install an offense? Two were fired this weekend, how about a third this weekend.

The bigger problem is this team quitting on the coaching staff.

By Titothebear

October 20, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

The watershed, the turning point, of this season happened several weeks ago. it was when the Saints ground the Falcons down and exposed them for the pretenders they are! Last week was reaffirmation week. This week will be a contiuation of what began in New Orleans. The Falcons will lose and lose big! Vick and the offense will once again be flatulating on the field and stinking up the Dome. The season will come into sharp focus on Sunday. This is a team without a leader on the field, on the sidelines or in the front office. The Falcons are headed downward into well-deserved ignominy.

By larry w.

October 20, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

One other point I would like to make. Although I am definitely not a Knapp man, I do feel that the players must shoulder their share of the blame also. Our receivers have got to make the catches when given the opportunity. I really get tired of saying if, but if Jenkins makes the easy touchdown catch on the deep pass, if Roddy makes the first down catch in the redzone, if Jenkins makes the first down catch that hit him in the midsection, then the game may have turned out differently. Dropped balls have been a glaring problem for this receiving corp since day one of the season. A lot of folks say that they do not want Randy Moss on this team. But honestly, would Moss have dropped any of those passes?

By Titothebear

October 20, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

The Panthers suck

By Titothebear

October 20, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

I live on these writers blogs how sad is that?

By scott

October 20, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

Never fails - as soon as things go a little wrong, everybody wants to dump Vick! Let’s look at reality here - MV pros: great athlete, very elusive, prolongs broken plays, throws extremely well, throws better on the run than any other QB, his legs, AND he wins…MV cons: only 5’11” so can’t see the field, not the brightest bulb at the QB position, not allowed to audible (maybe there’s a reason for that), not an accurate passer.

Having considered all this, and the fact that the Falcons’ passing game is laughable, I still don’t think dumping MV is the answer. Here’s why: the O line is a sieve, you can’t use Dunn on screens or swing passes because he has to help out blocking, the O line is porous, Knapp’s play-calling is rediculously predictable and unimaginative, the O line is a joke on pass blocking, our WR’s can’t get open OR catch the tough pass, etc., etc., etc., OH and the O line is horrible (just in case I wasn’t getting that point across).

Roddy White was rocked going over the middle early in the season and has developed alligator arms ever since - gotta replace him with Lelie. Jenkins can make the tough catches, but not the easier ones (e.g. the bomb MV threw for a definite TD last week).

Bottom line: until Mora fixes the O line, the WR’s and gets Knapp to open things up, you can’t grade MV as a failure! There’s too much talent inside that #7 jersey. Peyton Manning, Johnny Unitas, Tom Brady or Dan Marino wouldn’t have great stats with this line and WR’s!!

Vick is the least of your worries right now. Go ahead and put in Schaub, and we’ll see what an immobile QB will look like behind this line.

Last point: we’re committed to a small, quick O line, which has worked pretty well in the running game. You’re telling us that larger lineman can’t zone block!! I’ll take 75+ yds less rushing per game in exchange for better pass blocking, and you’ll see Vick succeed, and the Falcons win more.

By scott

October 20, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Never fails - as soon as things go a little wrong, everybody wants to dump Vick! Let’s look at reality here - MV pros: great athlete, very elusive, prolongs broken plays, throws extremely well, throws better on the run than any other QB, his legs, AND he wins…MV cons: only 5’11” so can’t see the field, not the brightest bulb at the QB position, not allowed to audible (maybe there’s a reason for that), not an accurate passer.

Having considered all this, and the fact that the Falcons’ passing game is laughable, I still don’t think dumping MV is the answer. Here’s why: the O line is a sieve, you can’t use Dunn on screens or swing passes because he has to help out blocking, the O line is porous, Knapp’s play-calling is rediculously predictable and unimaginative, the O line is a joke on pass blocking, our WR’s can’t get open OR catch the tough pass, etc., etc., etc., OH and the O line is horrible (just in case I wasn’t getting that point across).

Roddy White was rocked going over the middle early in the season and has developed alligator arms ever since - gotta replace him with Lelie. Jenkins can make the tough catches, but not the easier ones (e.g. the bomb MV threw for a definite TD last week).

Bottom line: until Mora fixes the O line, the WR’s and gets Knapp to open things up, you can’t grade MV as a failure! There’s too much talent inside that #7 jersey. Peyton Manning, Johnny Unitas, Tom Brady or Dan Marino wouldn’t have great stats with this line and WR’s!!

Vick is the least of your worries right now. Go ahead and put in Schaub, and we’ll see what an immobile QB will look like behind this line.

Last point: we’re committed to a small, quick O line, which has worked pretty well in the running game. You’re telling us that larger lineman can’t zone block!! I’ll take 75+ yds less rushing per game in exchange for better pass blocking, and you’ll see Vick succeed, and the Falcons win more.

By bushwacker

October 20, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Since when did Schaub become immobile? seems to me he broke off several runs of 30-40 yars last year. Don’t just make stuff up, come with some game dude.

By bushwacker

October 20, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Vick is not smart enough to audible because he has no clue when it comes to reading defenses.

By Smitty

October 20, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

I gotta agree with bushwacker…I don’t think Vick can read defenses and I’m not trying to be ugly here but if he could audible would anyone understand what he was saying…

By Titothebear

October 20, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

I really wished that Backstreet’s was still open. Now, that was the place to party before and after the game. AHHH, the good old days :)

By Tim

October 20, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

Abraham will not play in this game, write it down. He’s definitely a wuss. Fans should forget about him, he won’t be there for us down the stretch. Look for him on the sidelines in street clothes with bling bling.

By larry w.

October 20, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

Smitty, If his team understands what he is saying in the huddle, and understands what he is saying when calling the signals, then one can only assume that they would understand what he is saying if he called an audible. And what do you guys base your “he can’t read a defense” theory on. Vick very rarely makes the wrong read,and he very rarely throws into double coverage. Obviously his reads are fine. If you are referring to picking up blitz schemes, then we go back to the question of whether or not he is being allowed to audible out of the original call. If you know for sure that he is allowed to audible off and is just not doing it, then please provide us with your information source.

By TD

October 20, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

The coaches and front office can’t dispute what Vick has to say, because they know he is right. After the first play against the Giants, which was a first down completion to Jenkins, the falcons proceed to run the ball on 3 or 4 consecutive first down plays and each time faced 2nd and very long. it looks like the falcons have about 6 offensive plays in their playbook. and the defense never blitzes. this season is starting to look like a real fiasco.

By ShadyGrady

October 20, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Too predictable and unimaginative on offense. Not agressive enough on defense. We need more passing for sure. Especially swing passes and slants. The Vick rollout left or right needs a wrinkle where he has the option of throwing short over aggressive LBs to the tight end and intermediate to a slot reciever. After week 1 or 2 when the Falcons run game looked super potent and Terrence Moore commented on the potential of injury to MV alot of people pretty much called him an idiot. He does not have many local fans. I agreed with him and added that this college option crap would not succeed long in the NFL. You have to have balance on offense and a potent D to win constantly in this league. This playground stuff is silly. Open it up. Or get somewhere!

By ShadyGrady

October 20, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Smitty, why don’t u go hangout with titothebear. You don’t know MV like that. Stop hating.

By scott

October 20, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

Let’s clarify a couple of points: Bushwacker, I should’ve been clearer in stating that I think Schaub is immobile RELATIVE to Vick. But since you’re gonna bring up the “don’t make stuff up”, Schaub had 2 runs (that’s not SEVERAL) for less than 20 yards.

But I do agree with you that Vick isn’t very smart. However other dense QB’s have had great success because they had good O lines and WR’s: Marino, Elway, etc. Vick doesn’t yet have that luxury, as well as uncreative play-calling by Knapp (how else do you explain no Lelie, no Dunn, no Norwood in the passing game). Until the Falcons solve these problems we’ll never know how good Vick might be.

Now for the absolute dumbest comment on this blog: Tim calling Abraham a wuss! You probably never played sports, but everyone else on this blog will tell you that with a severe groin pull you’re done until it completely heals.

By charlie t.

October 20, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

to all it may concern. if you were a true fan you would remember the years of loses and no chances. i remember when the qb’s fell down when a dl came near by. mike v. needs passes to rbs/quick passes/ol help/a deep throw every now and then. the dl needs to bring more stunts and pressure on these other qb. player hate in another state leave the falcons alone.

By charlie t.

October 20, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

Go Falcons!!!!!!!!!! Steelers lose-Big Ben Broken. Knapp finally gets it. Passes to the Backs (Norwood/Dunn) 5 Deep passes 3 catch for TDs. Defense stunts sacks and racks PitfulBurg. My Predictions.

By Brandon

October 20, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

It seems to me that the deal with mike vick is as follows: 1.The one thing is that he has no responsibility with the football. I think the reason being is that he never had to have fundamentals to win. He always relied on his speed. 2. He is not tall enough 3. The most important thing is HE HAS NO POCKET PRESCENSE AT ALL. He gets pressured, the ball is hanging out of his hand like a loaf of bread and he can’t move around the pocket calmly while looking down field. He goes down and fumbles half the time. 4. He has the falcons held hostage, meaning there is no way we can bench him due to the business aspect that he brings and even if we did, then the race card would be played by people in the city. It seems to me that all the white people want vick to succeed, but will admit he has huge faults and can see the writing on the wall. All the black people can’t admit what is coming to fruition week by week. I am born and raised in Atlanta and realize this situation if just part of being a falcons fan. 29 years of misery and counting.

By Greedy

October 20, 2006 07:53 PM | Link to this

i figured it out , smitty, bush wacker , and tito are idiots. Just becuase vick does speak the Orange county or the kings english does mean he stupid, you obvious white guys kill me , jake delhome does not sound like the sharpest tool in the shed either , but he cant read defenses , i swear atlanta is a racist a* city , you guys blow cocks for a living!!

By Brandon

October 20, 2006 07:57 PM | Link to this

welcome to the south greedy… nice name

By larry w.

October 20, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

It is obvious to me that anyone who blames the Falcons troubles on one player, whether it’s Vick on offense or Brooking on defense, are novice fans who really don’t understand what is truly going on. Players are confined to play within the scheme that the coaches implement. The real truth of the matter is, we just do not have very good coaches. Case in point, Reggie Bush and Drew Brees are not the reason that the Saints are head and shoulders above what they were just a year ago. The reason the Saints are so inproved is because they have assembled a very good NFL caliber coaching staff that knows how to prepare their team, and make in game adjustments.

By Titothebear

October 20, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

Yes! Greedy you know I do. Meet me in front of the Dome on Sunday and let me demonstrate my skills. Go Panthers!

By dirtie birdie

October 20, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this

the coaches all need to be fired. king arthur needs to be man enough to admit he made mistakes with these 3 Stooges and that he never should have fired dan reeves who brought the freaking falcons for crying out loud to the super bowl. i do not doubt that king arthur wants what is best for the falcons. i think that is clear. but i do have grave concerns that king arthur comes first. his ego comes before all else and he needs to look like he is in charge and that, if the falcons win the super bowl someday, that he was the mastermind puppetmaster behind the scenes making it happen. hence, all of these dumb lucrative signings of people like abraham, price, milloy, and overpaying for vick and brooking. that is why dan reeves is no longer here. if arthur was going to win it all, it needed to appear that it was all of his doing with his own guys making it happen and not any leftovers from the old regime. if you do not think that is true, look at the lelie vs. duckett issue. back then, blank overpaid for dunn who reeves did not want because dunn did not fit into a reeves style of play. (signing dunn in hindsight has actually been a godsend.) BUT reeves went out that year even though blank had just signed dunn and reeves drafted TJ Duckett over king arthur’s protests. King Arthur wanted Lelie to be drafted that year instead of Duckett. SO, 3 or 4 years later, after dan reeves is fired, and lelie is out there on the trading block, blank essentially trades duckett for lelie. Now, the falcons can not move the ball because they are stuck with finesse RBs dunn and norwood in the red zone who can not get to the goalline like TJ. TJ for all of his faults was at least good for 10 or so TDs every year down there in the red zone. They sure miss that this year, forcing them to settle for field goals on repeated occasions, which has been an iffy proposition all season. So, you can see from the Lelie vs. Duckett situation, that although there is no question that king arthur wants what is best for the falcons, he is not a football man, and he too often lets his pride and ego get in the way of what is best for this team. he also needs to get over his first round WR fixation. The funny thing is that they still do not use Lelie for some perverse reason although he clearly is the best WR on the team. It’s too bad Lelie, Duckett, and Dunn could ot all have played together under a Dan Reeves style system because they could have all worked well in tandem with vick in the play action, pound the run, chuck it deep conservative style of reeves. But whatever.

no one is retaliating against vick for his comments because he spoke the truth and it is pretty darn hard to combat the truth, especially when you are as dumb as the 3 stooges: mora, knapp, and donatell.

How can a professional football team not have audibles? How can a professional football team not have a hurry up offense or even a two minute offense? It all comes down to trust. i love the QB. i think he is extremely talented and he is a winner. he has proven that in college and in the pros. yes, he is inaccurate. and, yes, he is not the brightest guy around although he did score a 20 on his wonderlic which ain’t great but ain’t that bad either. BUT he is not so stupid that he can not run an audible. the falcons playbook is just not that dense and complex. although i know this may not be true, the falcons only seem to have six or seven plays. all he would need is one or two audibles for each play and offensive formation. it is jsut not that hard and complex. he is not that dumb. it is a matter of trust. peyton manning essentially only runs 6 or 7 plays with one or two audbles for each. dumbing it down and keeping it simple and stupid is a good idea if the coaches would just trust their QB. hell, if they want to get rid of their QB, you would think they would just let him have a few audibles and just use his inability to audible if he is indeed truly incapable of properly calling an audible, to show us once and for all, he is not a good QB. i understand the peyton analogy ain’t perfect because peyton may be one of the smartest QBs to have ever played (mostly because he has had to be one because of his athletic deficits and his lack of a strong arm.), but i hope you understand the point.

i am glad to finally hear dunn say what i have been saying for the past year. if you are running a WCO offense (albeit a bastardized, watered down version), why do you not use screens? why do you not screen when you have finesse RBs like dunn and norwood? why do you not do everything you can to get dunn and norwood out into open space where both can be magical? aren’t dunn and norwood essentially poor man versions of tiki, marshall faulk, and reggie bush? did you not see that through their whole careers, that most of their coaches have been smart enough to utlize these types of RBS out in open space through the use of screens and such? why, when you have a weak pass blocking offensive line who is susceptible to the blitz, do you not throw screen passes? Aren’t screen passes one of the most effective ways to negate an overagressive blitzing team? Why, when you have a QB who is inaccurate, do you not throw screen passes to help bolster his confidence and his accuracy stats? didn’t peyton manning, when he threw 28 interceptions and had accuracy problems due to overaggressive defenses preying on a rookie in his rookie year, throw countless dumpoffs to marshall faulk and then later in his career to the Edge? is drew brees really that accurate or has he just been fortunate enough in his career to have RBs like LT and Bush to dump screens off to, thereby making him appear far more accurate than he truly is? isn’t brees looking real accurate this year by endlessly dumping passes, about ten a game combined, to deuce and reggie? isn’t donavan a far better QB when he has westbrook healthy enough to dump off to? didn’t montana look far more accurate early in his career when he had roger craig to dump passes off to? didn’t young look incredibly accurate from a statistical standpoint when he had ricky watters to dump off to five times a game? couldn’t screen passes be used to make vick look more accurate from a statistical standpoint and to increase his confidence and thereby make him more accurate on his other throws? throwing screen passes would be the football equivalent of a slumping baseball player laying down a bunt to get himself going or a slumping basketball player aggressively taking the ball to the hoop all game so that he can get back in the flow, get a few dunks, layups, and foul shots, with the hope his three point shot will come back to him with that kind of approach. wouldn’t having a multifacted attack (if you really want to call an offense which actually has a screen pass mutlifaceted rather than a basic offensive play which at this point should be a staple for every competent professional and college offense) keep defenses off balance and open things up downfield and the receivers who probably have the ability get open but are unable to because the offensive attack is so limited from a coaching standpoint? if mike vick is so dumb and inaccurate that he can not run a simple screen pass, than the point will be proven that he is not a good QB and i will accept that. but you have to at least give him the chance to show us all that he is just that dumb and inaccurate. if the 3 stooges will give us that opportunity to witness MV7 be that incapable and incompetent at running a screen pass, then I will be man enough to regrettably say that I have been wrong all along about MV7 and his potential to lead the team to the promised land. But you have to show me that incompetence to prove it to me. I will not assume it. I will however assume that an offense without an audible, without screen passes and without the ability to run in a functional hurry up, two minute fashion, is the fault of the coaches and not the QB. I have not seen enough from the 3 Stooges to let me assume this is the fault of the QB and not the 3 Stooges themselves.

i am going to say this again for all of these stubborn (probably racist) nitwits who post on the AJC, schaub has not completed 50% of his passes in the NFL, despite being a WCO protege for 6 or 7 years. Not very impressive at all. That fact alone exposes some of the ignorance and racism about the Put in Schaub nonsense. Before you say put in schaub, at least have a reason for it except that you like big old sturdy looking country boys behind center. (And no. I am not black and I am not playing a race card for the sake of it.) the ignorance and lack of factual basis for the stubborn put in schaub opinion repeatedly expressed on here leads you to only wonder or speculate that there is at least a touch of latent racism down there, whether concious or otherwise, causing your opinion.

By morris

October 20, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

This is absolutely a watershed game! If they lose this weekend the team might unravel and we could witness this team going down the drain in a hurry. Abraham and coleman are hurting and our QB is complaining publicly about the offense. NOT GOOD! If our offense looks sorry this weekend Knapp’s a* might just get canned in favor of musgrave.

By BIG BLACK BIRD

October 20, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this

Looks like another stumbling, fumbling weekend for the almighty #7. In a cakewalk, Steelers 31 Falcons 13.

By morris

October 20, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

Although I am unsure of vick as a passer I still believe he can do great things but time is running out. The real problem is these stupid a* coaches hired by arthur blank. I remember 2002 when vick accounted for about 25 scores and look like he might become the michael jordan of football. Get rid of knapp and this west coast junk and get vick back in the type of offense we ran when dan reeves was coach. If the guy could throw for 22-24 touchdown passes and run for 7 or 8 then we would be headed for the superbowl as long as our Defense held up. Vick doesn’t have to throw for 35-40 td’s like manning but we have to have some type of passing game in order to contend for a title. I won’t hold vick accountable until we get a new coaching staff and a real offensive line. This cut blocking no pass blocking gimmick of an offensive line has ran its course. Fire Mora and his whole dumb a* crew!

By dirty byrd

October 20, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

i have read blogs all week also read sports writers colums now vick say he does not like plays being called dunn says hey use me please let me help, what we have is knapp ball plan and simple this guy can not figure out how to use talent at hand. mike vick was better qb in his 1st yr than now think about that how did he go junk? thats rt he didnt its the system thats what he just told us all hey this system is junk let me throw the ball dunn wants the ball in reeves era we had better o line yes so how do you change system so vick has time to throw? dont think knapp has ability to do it if he did then we would not be asking ncaa teams about there option game in off season vick knows dunn knows we all know mora knows he brought knapp (friend) here so he does not want to give up this silly offense we run now if we dont produce sunday it could cost them the coaches there jobs so yes this is must win game

By Fred

October 20, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

All these NFL players get unrealistic salaries. I say start paying them with “performance” salaries. If Roddy White catches a ball he gets $xx amount, if Mike Vick throws a touchdown pass he gets $xx amount. Fumble he pays fht Falcons, we get lower ticket prices. If John Abraham gets a sack, $xx amount (if he does not play he gets nothing). This way players that feel they are getting salaries by the charity system will end. Matt Lehr wants to take “performance” enhancing drugs he gets kicked off the team for good. Does us all a favor ! How bad is this guy going to be if he has to go with out his steroids ? He must not care about his team anyway, so he should be gone by next week.

Stop paying high salaries for those that are not performing and we stop paying high ticket prices !

By e.b.

October 21, 2006 01:56 AM | Link to this

It’s nonsense to say Vick is not a leader of this team. You people simply don’t understand that he is not comfortable in this system. When he was with Reeves, and took them to the playoffs, he shined and passed the ball effectively. I agree that Knapp has to go. This guy has really worn out his welcome.

By E.B.is a pea brain.

October 21, 2006 07:29 AM | Link to this

e.b.

God, will you ever stop. You are the one of the most ballless men on these threads. You refuse to admit you have made horrible predictions about Vick and continue thread after thread to find excuses for him. Vick has never been good-consistently like many of the other QBs mentioned here.

Funny though how your posts changed when Atlanta went from 6-2 to 2-6 last year and you be spewing some of your same ole BS if they were doing well this year.

By Smitty

October 21, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

Greedy your posts just go to show your ignorance and your illiteracy when you learn how to spell and how to talk maybe then I’ll listen to you but until then keep your DUMB A* opinions to yourself you’re probably just like Mike in that no one can understand a damn word you say…and further more I said I was’nt trying to be ugly but the truth is the truth and sometimes it hurts to hear it…so Greedy go smoke another blunt and shut the F**K up if anyones racist its you and your so called brothers

By Whiteboys

October 21, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Vick sucks cuz he’s black trying to do a white mans job plain and simple.

By Keeping it real

October 21, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

People Talk about Vick leadership on offense . What about leadership on the defense? If you can’t score you can’t win ! Vick does not play defense! It is a team game . Coaching people ,coaching People! We have a shade tree coaching staff point blank! Please name a new play Greg Knapp has run this Year. They can get game film form NFL film 25 year back to get some new plays play to run. If you people are hung up Vick you are clue less. Vick plays just offense and this is a team game I tell you this coaching staff and management are full of shade tree staff bank on it. Take Vick out of the picture . How do the rest of the team grade out . poor! coaching adjustment have you seen any ? Donatell last week in the second half it look like he was on the take how he call the game. Manning set back and pick them a part. that not vick! We have a shade tree coaching staff!

By birdwatcher

October 21, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

The reason why vick is blamed is because the quarterback is the focal point for the offense. It is not like vick has no time to throw, ever, he is a great athlete, no doubt, how football smart he is is an unknown, I don’t care how smart he is on an IQ test. He has to be able to hit open receivers whether they catch the ball or not. Most importantly he has to put the team as being more important than himself, but he doesn’t. When things go wrong he whines rather than leads, and that is what gets me.

By Titothebear's mom

October 21, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

Tito, im going to take your computer away, if you dont stop causing trouble on here. Now get off, and do your chores. By the way son, panthers suck.

By bob

October 21, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

He.s a nego (duh)

By Falcons Fan

October 21, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

It’s interesting that all the pundits who criticized Vick for the HBO piece only say he shouldn’t have said the things he said. But no one disputes the truthfulness of the discussion.

Is a team that says their ‘checkdown’ is the QB scrambles providing better coaching than what Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin are providing in Philly and New York?

Is a scheme that gives the QB no second play to check off to better than what is seen in New England and Indy?

Edgerrin James ran for 1400+ yds every year behind Indy’s Oline — an Oline that is fantastic at pass protection. Our finesse Oline needs the QB to scramble and hold backside containment to generate yards outside the red zone. And of course our finesse, pee-wee sized, bargain-basement Oline of retreads is horrendous at pass protection.

Knapp says the good news is that the 7 sacks resulted from “correctable” problems. One key adjustment has already been made and that is the league suspending the ridiculous Matt Lehr — he who was abused all day by his daddys from NY. Too bad it took him getting caught as an illegal drug abuser to have a change made. We all know the coaching staff is scared to straight-up bench anyone for mal-performance.

By larry w.

October 21, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this

Falcon Fan, good read. I am so sick of Mora and Knapp with their casual excuses for their mediocre preparation of the team. So Knapp feels that the problems leading to the seven sacks are “correctable.” Yes they are very correctable. Simply get rid of him and the problem is corrected.

By kent

October 22, 2006 12:24 AM | Link to this

with all due respect to all the bloggers on this blog, but if you guys want to blame m vick or the coaching staffs for the wrongs that the falcon enduring, you guys are really off the deep end. since when does a qb have to have the speed of a race car? i thought the qb primary job was to directs the offense toward the end zone. the coaches call the plays and it’s up to the players to execute. micheal vick is not good qb, infact, he is a baddddd qb. this is a fact. it may also a fact that vick is a great qb had he been in any other system save this one. i remember those days in which steve bartkowsky, a qb with two broken knees, would stand back and threw bombs after bombs to receiver who are so small that they can easily participate in the barnum& baley circus for the darf. the days in which atlanta defense was nick name ” the gritz blitz” . days in which william andrews would flat run over any one that dares to be between him and the goal post. most recently, i remember the days in which chris chandler, a qb with three broken knees, would stand back and complete bombs after bombs to receiver that are 4 feet tall. jammal andersons ran with authority, defense that bend but do not break…those were the days in which the falcons do not possess one single ligitimate superstar yet they went on to the superbowl. this new falcon team is built on gimmicks and hypes. sooner or latter the opposing defenses will figure it out and it seems like thaye have, the falcons will be back in to being the door mat for others to step on when ever they please. the sad fact about all this is the falcons have so much promise and was on its way to a brighter future until the new owner decided that he knows football. vick was almost a three thousand yards passer under coach reeves…what ever happened to the promise????????????????????????????

By kent

October 22, 2006 12:36 AM | Link to this

i left out one important thing on my previous blog. do you people realize how racially devisive this blog room has become??? to all the african american bloggers out there who think that just because some body blog consist of criticism of vick is racist, please remember that barkowsky, chris chandler, and all the qb that were here before the arrival of micheal vick are all whites and they did get the same treatments when the team did not win. this is the nature of sport, football in particular. the qb possition has always been the one that garners the accolate when the team wins and the boos when the team does not. just because MV is black does not make him untouchable. in the words of AL DAVIS: ” JUST WIN BABY”.

By Nikki

October 22, 2006 05:40 AM | Link to this

This team is so predictable. Vick doesn’t audible. No passes to the RBs. The defense doesn’t blitz. That spells a horrible season.

By ROOB

October 22, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

I don’t want to hear about these d-lineman not being able to play. A to, A groin, a hammy. We need this game. We can’t afford to fall to 3 and 3. Our defense has to be intact. Bcuz our offense is struggling. And will again today. So what ever problems the d-lineman have tthey need to suck it up, and get out there and win this game…we just can’t have two back to back losses at home. The defense is our only hope.

By Boots

October 22, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Regarding “audiblizing”(Sic). While I’m not an NFL QB, I would assume that the QB has to be able to recognize the defensive scheme that is being arrayed before a play can be “audiblized” —- and that’s the problem with MV7. He can’t read defenses.

By kelly

October 22, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

The coaches suck and should be fired.

By trott

October 22, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Make no mistake about it , after Sunday’s massacer Jim Mora and his staff will be looking for a new job sometime in the near future.

By dean

October 22, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

this is ugly, how bad will the final score be. how long before the abraham trade is viewed as a bust.

By dean

October 22, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

200 yards of offense to 34, what a great team.

By robdawg06

October 22, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Who taught Ed Hartwell to play 15 yards off the tight end ? He needs to go BACK on the DL. Same old Falcons of 2006. Get an early lead then do nothing. Can they score more than 7 points or did they think the job was done ?

By Steve

October 22, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Is anybody watching this game? There needs to be wholesale changes. This season is going to go downhill from here. Vick is throwing it two yards across the line when it’s 3rd and 4? UGH!! What a frustrating year to be a Falcons and Bulldogs fan.

By mo

October 22, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Vick isn’t a very good quarterback, huh? He has three passing touchdowns in the first half, so far. Uh, Knapp is saving his job in the first half. My problem is the defense… Within two minutes of the conclusion of the first half… stay tuned!

By Steve

October 22, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

OK. The offense looks OK. Some gadget plays have worked pretty well, but the defense looks porous at best. Plenty of time for him to throw, plenty of open receivers. We’re going to have to score 48 to keep up with them today.

By robdawg06

October 22, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Wow ! Jenkins CAN catch a pass ! If only the defense can play well the second half. Vick looks great. Lucky trick onside kickoff. We’ll take it ! Go Falcons !

By jim

October 22, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Anyone who comes on here and post about a game being played cuz it puts them in a bad mood is retarded

By robdawg06

October 22, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

This defense is awful. Should have been 21-17 at the half.

By mo

October 22, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Well, all I can say is that this is a good game. Right now, Ward just burned Hall for a touchdown. The score is 31-28 Steelers. D Hall just got burned… SMH!

Oh, and Big Ben has been knocked out of the game and Vick looks great passing the ball. This game will be won on the stoutest defense. Stay Tuned!

By willysee in n.c.

October 22, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Knapp born again offence takes to air! Hidden stat kick off returns. Vick the madd bomber, whoda thunk it?

By Lacsho

October 22, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

Wow lets hear it for Vick and the Falcons. Where are all the haters at? Bet this week is going to be quiet on the blog. All of you Vick haters know what you can do!!!!!

By Steve

October 22, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

MORRRRTONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN FOR LIFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

By mo

October 22, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

Well folks… 41-38 FALCONS!

This was a great game. Uh, Vick looked like the black Elway (which, by the way, is the reason why he wears the #7.)

Vick was awesome. He told those coaches to trust him passing the ball and he passed it well! And the defense needs help but that is mostly due to injury. The Ole Man Mort was on point, kicking the game winner in OT.

Knapp gets another paycheck to feed the little Knapps. And as long as they mix it up like they did on offense, Knapp and the little Knapps will eat well for a long time.

By parks

October 22, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

maybe the Vick haters will go away for at least a week…This was against a VERY good defense ..Great game by MV and the Birds …once and if the D line gets healthy the pass D will improve imo..

OPTIMISM IS BACK IN ATL!!!!!!!

By morris

October 22, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Knapp born again offense my a*! You can thank vick for more than his play today, you can also thank him for changing the offense. All of those rollouts and throws downfield was the way reeves allowed him to play. That offense today didn’t look west coast at all. Think maybe vick had a sitdown with arthur this week? I sure as hell do!

By willysee in n.c.

October 22, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

Knapp Vick epiphany!! birds fly over steelers Rossum game ball.A balanced offense makes for happy ending.

By mikey p

October 22, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

you so called fans are ignorant and racist. because vick is black you complain about everything. this is why no one gives people in the south no respect. stupid white men and women who can’t get over the civil war. probally mad when you see a black man with a white woman. go back to your double wide. any other team would love to have vick as their quarterback.

By MV7 THE MAN

October 22, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

Where are you TITO?? HAHAHAHAA

By willysee in n.c.

October 22, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Mikey Mikey no caps double negatives,where are you from again?

By long time falcon

October 22, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

mikey p, it sounds to me like you have not gotten over slavery. There are a lot of white fans who like michael vick and I happen to be one. Your the ignorant racist who sterotypes all white people as haters. Why don’t you go back and crawl in your gutter.

By knowitall

October 22, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

So much for the racist idots who say that Vick can’t throw. It should be a plesant week on the blog this week.

By willysee in n.c.

October 22, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

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By parks

October 22, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

You are an moron mikey p, plain and simple

By Lacsho

October 22, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Just what I thought, Vick throws 4 touchdowns, and all you get is some white guy trying to defend other racist haters. Read the blogs everyone can see the writing on the wall. I don’t care what color you are the racist remarks have been on this board every since Vick has been QB. He’s not intelligent to read defenses; He’s to stupid to call audibles ;the only thing he can do is run; He’s not a true quarterback. Yeah he’s athletic, but his passing and intelligence is not adequate… I can go on and on. I guess it’s not racist to ride around all day with your rebel flag license plates too. Get the hell out of hear with that crap. The writing is on the wall!!!

By mikey p

October 22, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

why because i tell you the truth. angry white male. don’t get mad. hide behind your computer redneck. go wave your rebel flag while you sisters and wives are craving for a black man. probally mick vick.

By willysee in n.c.

October 22, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Today Vick played well,that is the whole thing, All this crappy horse sh$% about race is why I moved to colorado in 1997,grow up both sides of this childish backwards looking angst ridden horsesh$%!This pointless obsession with the past is what makes you look bad not the south but both sides in this pointless superfluous dialog.

By Najeh Davenpoop

October 22, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Greg Knapp sucks, but I gotta give credit to him, he woke up from his year-long Knapp to call a good game today. Vick shows that if you just let him drop back and pass and give him time to throw instead of trying gimmicks with him all day, he can get the job done even against a great defense. It’s gonna be nice the next few days, the Vick-haters hopefully will be prying their feet out of their mouths.

By willysee in n.c.

October 22, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Bartkowski,Miller,Jones,George,etc.All qbs all roasted by Atlanta fans I guess that makes them brothers.

By Lacsho

October 22, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

No, that doesn’t make them brothers at all. It’s a difference when you roast people for poor performance, but when people start making comments about someone’s intelligence and generalization comments about the typical quarterback is not athletic, that’s blatant hatred. Stay in Colorado, but ignorance is everywhere. You can act like you don’t see it, but a lot of us know its there. Vick stated the coaches were holding him back. Vick almost threw for 3,000 yards with Reeves, Vick performs well in the Pro-Bowl, but how come people who hate him can’t see that. I will tell you why there comments are bias, that’s why. Keep on Runnig Friend

By long time falcon

October 22, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Lascho, maybe you need your pacifier so you can go to bed. All my falcon friends like michael vick and pull for him week in and week out. You take a few comments from one or two bloggers who are probably posting under multiple names and turn the whole white community into rebel flag carrying clansman. Maybe you could use some medication for your obvious paranoid disorder. You call me out but don’t say anything about the ridicously racist post from mikey p about white people. How convienent you are in your decision to ignore the racism from black posters.

By robdawg06

October 22, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

White/black has nothing to do with the Atlanta Falcons. Vick could be green and Brooking red for all I care. I love them all. I see them all as just football players. Go Falcons. And that defense needs to get a lot better. 38 points is awful to allow. The offense won’t score 41 many games.

By Lacsho

October 22, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

I didn’t call the whole white community out. Maybe you should read the whole post instead of bits and pieces, or maybe you are bird babe “I don’t know, and don’t really care”. Don’t twist my words. And you say one or two bloggers are the only ones posting ridiculous comments about Vick, you are very wrong. But people such as yourself will never understand b/c you only see things through your lens. Go through all of the blogs and you will find multiple hatred post from ignorant people. IF the falcons would have kept the same game plan, and lost this blog would have been flooded with the same hundreds of posters making condescending racist post. That’s life and we are use to it. That pacifier comment was cute, but you can get away with it on this blog. Face to Face you wouldn’t say one word, and that’s real. I refuse to get on your level with name calling and personal attacks.

Peace

By willysee in n.c.

October 22, 2006 07:43 PM | Link to this

To Lacsho point taken.Thank you for the warm welcome,by the way n.c. is an abbreviation for north carolina where I live happily in the hills free of plantation era residue.As with most closed minded types you processed the portion of my comments that suited you.I made the point that D.Mcnabb is a top qb and was criticized by many without merit, including a surprising number of blacks.Last I saw he was black and mobile.Or is D.Mc. not a real black in the world you occupy.

By long time falcon

October 22, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

lascho, I guess you think your some bad a* by your comment above but I can promise you that I would say whatever I felt like to your face. I am done talking about this stupid issue and will only respond to football related post. Live your life with a chip on your shoulder if you wish my friend.

By Lacsho

October 22, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

By all means stay in hidden in the Hills. You stated you moved to Colorado in 97. Great sarcasm I know what N.C. stands for. Closed minds “you don’t have a clue, and you never will, that’s why you ran for the Hills. Now you want to throw McNabb in the equation? I don’t care what color you are, but before you blame a person take all of the facts into consideration. Vick can finish the season with outstanding number, people are going to hate on him regardless. Is their hatred valid “Nope” but it is what it is. long time falcon fan Yeah I guess the issue would be stupid to you. CHip on my shoulder, some of my bestfriends who I fought in Dessert Storm with is White, so that last comment was very lame. Live your Life Man, and learn your history.

By willysee in n.c.

October 22, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

To Lacsho this will be my last comment on this non subject.If you need to project your anger at the world I,m sure you can find a better forum. P.S.good luck with that bitter thing you have going,I hope it works out for you.

By Stk

October 22, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

So what if Vick threw 4 TDs today..there are a few QBs who do that quite often. You make him sound like a super hero because he did a fluck today (only 2 TDs in one game before this one). Vick still sucks

By James Stephenson

October 23, 2006 06:59 AM | Link to this

Stk,

That is interesting, “there are a few QBs who do that quite often.” Really, how many times has Peyton Manning passed for 4 TDs? 14 times, 14 times he has thrown for 4 TDs with the best WR in the game. He has also playing more years in the NFL than Vick.

So please, 4 tds is a good game for any QB period.

By mo

October 23, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

I will come to defend Lacsho on his comments.

As an African-American, it has been extremely offensive at the amount of blatant racism that has been projected in this forum. And it is within this forum that those comments needed to be addressed.

It is indeed a shame that Mike Vick, in his unique style of offensive play, has become a whipping boy to the racists that hides behind possibly various user names and the like. But it is even more shameful of the lack of white posters that remains silent while these gross actions are be portrayed. Silence is agreement.

That’s what I am looking at: a black QB that truly deserves scrutiny. A black QB that hasn’t until recently shown great passing ability this year. But a black QB who had his intelligence questioned by no other reason except that he’s black. A black QB whose athletic ability is discounted by his skin color. And the relative apathy of those fans who just ignores these racist comments.

It has been written racial harrassment to see those posts in this and other blogs. And it really needs to stop. In Lacsho’s defense, all he (or she) is doing is informing those that people have been hurt and turned off by these comments and the comments (and relative silence in addressing them by white posters)have left many of us who are not originally from the South to view those who are as primarily racially biased. In short, there are those who are not racists, but their voices are muffled and silenced by those who are, and that cannot continue.

What I propose is this: We need the AJC to place measures on the blogs that will eliminate posts that harrass others on the basis of the race and gender. If it is not in place, you can have postings that will be racially harrassment on both sides, and these forums will lose their original purpose.

By Lacsho

October 23, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Thank You Mo!!! Like yourself I would love to just comment on the actually sport in a particular blog; however, at know time will I allow anyone to continually disrespect my race. Hopefully we are done with this dialogue.

D-Hall this game should really humble you. Please stop with all the extra antics and just play football. How many times can Webster get burnt? Mr. Knapp why would you just settle for the run in key moments, when the passing was working so well? You almost cost us the game with your reserve play calling. Donatell why do you resort to the zone defense, when it doesn’t work? How many time do you have to get burnt before you realize every team will pick us a part with soft pass rush. These are just some questions that were on my mind.

Peace to the real Falcon Fans!!!

By Poor McKay

October 23, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Can someone, anyone, please explain to me why Roddy White is still starting? Does Lelie refuse to block on running plays, because that would be the only logical explanation for keeping White as the starter. And can we find a nice bench seat for Jason Webster? Go with Jimmy Williams as the starter and Mathis as the nickel back. J-Web can play in the prevent-dime package when we have a big blowout lead.

By Ken Strickland

October 23, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

LACSHO, go the the heading “GO HOME, STEELERS” and check out my Oct 23, 11:44AM comments on DHall. Tell me what you think.

By Tyger

October 23, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

VICK IS A GOD!

By Lacsho

October 23, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

What’s Up Ken, I agree with most of your comments, but I think they give D Hall a little more freedom to make adjustments. Therefore, with his speed he shouldn’t get burnt as much. My main problem with DHall is his antics, not his play even though his tackling is suspect. He makes the big play more than he gets burnt. One thing about D Sanders, he would shut down a whole side. They wouldn’t even test him. I think DHall has the potential to be great, but he needs a little more humility. Also, I think the coordinators on both sides lack consistent play calling. What is it going to take for them to start Lelie, and why is Webster still playing. I think its time to let Williams prove himself; I don’t think he can play any worst then Webster. If we’re going to get burnt, I rather Williams get the experience. He’s a big corner, and he can match up better against big receivers.

By Ken Strickland

October 24, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Whats up LACSHO. Your point about Deon being a true shutdown CB is correct. My question is, would he have been as effective at shutting down REC’s if he had been forced to play cover 2&3 zone coverages? No team he ever played for had him play soft, coservative or any type of zone coverage. On every down that he played Deon lined head up on the REC, and shadowed him until the play ended. That is one of the reasons he wasn’t involved in many plays near the line of scrimmage.

Donatell forces his DEF, especially his secondary, to play conservative because the possibility of a big play terrifies him. He would rather give up yardage between the 20yd lines than be aggressive and take a chance on giving up a big play. Don’t forget, a big play cost the Packers their last chance at a trip to the SB and Donatell his job as DC. Until that play happened, Donatell and his Packers DEF were well respected. He forces his DB’s to play off the REC so they can read the play and react quicker if it’s a run. This shows he doesn’t have confidence in his front 7 to stop the run.

The sad thing is, the Falcons have been drafting CB’s because of their man cover ability. Donatell then plays to their weakness by forcing them to play a lot of zone. JWilliams is a far superior cover CB than Webster, but that’s not important to a DC that prefers zone coverage. And Williams simply hasn’t mastered zone coverages to Donatell’s satisfaction. The aggressiveness that makes Williams and Hall so good in man coverage works against them in a zone DEF.

By Titothebear

October 26, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

By Greedy October 20, 2006 07:53 PM | Link to this i figured it out , smitty, bush wacker , and tito are idiots. Just becuase vick does speak the Orange county or the kings english does mean he stupid, you obvious white guys kill me , jake delhome does not sound like the sharpest tool in the shed either , but he cant read defenses , i swear atlanta is a racist a* city , you guys blow cocks for a living!!

To whomever approves posts:

Why is the above posting still on these boards? It is vile, repugnant and has nothing to do with football. it should be removed immediately and the person who left it should be banned! Why has this not been done? Does the AJC condone this sort of vulgarism? If not, take it down and eliminate the person who vomited it here on this blog!