Falcons

By T

August 3, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Steve, I think everyone fails to see that Michael Jenkins isn’t a slouch. His ability will declare itself as the season starts! He is tall, which gives someone throwing the ball with a short stature, a better target…Plus, he has good hands….this isn’t pop warner football..no mandatory plays…only the strong will survive. Plus, he played with AJ Hawk, so he knows how to play with the cream of the crop!

By Mike L.

August 3, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Steve Wyche, Mark Bradley, and Terence Moore,

As much as we appreciate your updates and thoughts on the latest from the Falcons camp, I am surprised by the lack of research and information that you provide in your columns. This article for example doesnt say one thing that an average sports fan hasn’t heard about before.

Talking about the possbile trade for either Lelie or Porter - we all heard about that - what are the Falcons considering to give up if the trade goes through? what are some possible things they could give up - what do the Broncos and the Raiders need? can we afford to trade players at those positions? You guys have the access to the coahces and the Falcons staff on daily basis - ask them the questions.

Also, there are some other pending issues that are more critical than the 3rd receiver - O-Line, Search for a big body at the NT position. What progress has been made in those area? Situation at right corner … Webster hasn’t been practicing … Williams seems to be slacking off? (that was what i read here on AJC) … what does that mean for the Falcons?

Did anyone read about posting on the O-line - Ojinnaka moving to RT from LT … do you think that he could actually puch Shefter for a starting job? He has a reputation as the a solid guy who doesnt give up sacks … could he actually help solidify the O-line in his rookie year?

there are a lot of things to write about …

By aqg`7

August 3, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

I never figured the Falcons would trade for either of those players. I’m not sure I like D. Hall playing WR though. Let him stick to playing and growing as a DB and sign a vet WR to fill in for FInn.

By DIRRTYBIRD

August 3, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

If D Hall can catch the ball, let him play. We can’t be scared to play players because they might get hurt. Players get big contracts to go out and play hard and injuries either happen or they don’t. Put the best players on the field to win. Don’t play not to get hurt or you will lose.

I don’t see much sense in trading for a household name at the #3 WR position. Jenkins and White are going to be pretty good. Crumpler and Blakely are always around too. We’ll miss Finn, but we’ll be fine.

By Scooter

August 3, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

Nice Mike!

By robert

August 3, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

Hey mike good post. But you have to realize (and you obviously do)that were not dealing with real sports writers here. In fact Im not sure where they came from. These hacks call front office people and coaches liars and then expect the same people to give them the inside scoop. If the AJC had any sense(which they dont)they would have sent all these knuckleheads packing long ago, and hired some people that are actually respected by sports teams. Until then you are better off doing your own due diligence. I have to admit it is fun to read up on some of the junk they print in this rag and call it news worthy. Its like watching a three stooges episode.

By bmullis

August 3, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

The AJC got their sports columnist from the fashion section of Alabamistain Tribune.

Their writing is as fulfilling as eating jello for breakfast, lunch and supper.

By DOM

August 3, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Steve writes like “Baghdad Bob” the imfamous former Iraqi propaganda official. For once provide honest information regarding the Falcons troubles.

By Jeff

August 3, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Maybe the Falcons could include Jenkins in a trade for Porter. Then, they wouldn’t need to worry about demoting anyone. They could even throw Rossum into the trade (Rossum has become expendable).

I am just very disappointed in Jenkins. He didn’t do much last year, and from all reports, Roddy is outperforming him in camp this year. I just don’t see Jenkins ever being much more effective than he’s been in the past.

And I don’t like the idea of using D-lo at WR. I’d much rather see him returning punts.

By sugarlee

August 3, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

In defense of Steve. I hope you do not listen much to these transplants always trying to compare Atl to everywhere else and still living here. This goes to you Mr. Mike L, scooter and Robert, and who else wants to compare our writers to what goes on in your sports mind. That’s mighty bold to say every body already heard of the story about trades for wide receivers, bla,bla bla. Because you heard it doesn’t mean everybody else has. Why do you think national news programs mentions the top story over and over. To make sure everybody gets it. Especially if it’s a hot topic. If you guys are so sick of Steve and all the over poor writers of sports in this town. Then you should be able to get yourself a writing job very quickly. The only way a record will become a hit, is to be played over, and over and over again otherwise it will never sell a million. So relax, you’re in the south now, this is how we do it. If you don’t like it, then the south just isn’t the place for you. But since you’re here, I take it you can’t go back to where ever you can here from. Back off. Talk about the game, not the player,player.

By Ray

August 3, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Why do we need another reciever when vick cant even hit the ones we already have. Vick needs to work on his accuracy, then everything else will fall into place.

By Ray

August 3, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Why do we need another reciever when vick cant even hit the ones we already have. Vick needs to work on his accuracy, then everything else will fall into place.

By Falcon4Ever

August 3, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

It is foolish for the Falcons not to do what it takes to put the best talent on the field. Porter is better than White & Jenkins TODAY. Perhaps our new guys will continue to develop. But we shouldn’t fool ourselves into thinking that magically, in the matter of a couple of months of off-season, our unproven wideouts will suddenly be ‘the go2guys.’ There is NO PROOF. Porter however is PROVEN and should be brought in to push for a starting spot. Why put egos in front of the right thing to do?

Hey Steve, why not do an article on why the Falcons should go for Porter? It seems that the Falcons told you not to pry any further, and you’re backing off of an interesting story.

By sugarlee

August 3, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

In defense of Steve. I hope you do not listen much to these transplants always trying to compare Atl to everywhere else and still living here. This goes to you Mr. Mike L, scooter and Robert, and who else wants to compare our writers to what goes on in your sports mind. That’s mighty bold to say every body already heard of the story about trades for wide receivers, bla,bla bla. Because you heard it doesn’t mean everybody else has. Why do you think national news programs mentions the top story over and over. To make sure everybody gets it. Especially if it’s a hot topic. If you guys are so sick of Steve and all the over poor writers of sports in this town. Then you should be able to get yourself a writing job very quickly. The only way a record will become a hit, is to be played over, and over and over again otherwise it will never sell a million. So relax, you’re in the south now, this is how we do it. If you don’t like it, then the south just isn’t the place for you. But since you’re here, I take it you can’t go back to where ever you can here from. Back off. Talk about the game, not the player,player.

By Jim

August 3, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

Porter is much better than what we have now…and head coaches not putting the best players on the field end up being “EX” head coaches. Jenkins is not a starter on another NFL team.

By DIRRTYBIRD

August 3, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

“So relax, you’re in the south now, this is how we do it.”-LOL

Sugarlee-Great pride comment. However, we’re not making records, we’re trying to break football stories, and the ajc writers clearly do not have an inside track on the inside stories. This is what real coverage looks like.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/2005/front/skinsindex.html

I actually think that Steve is the better of the 3. Steve will respond to comments, try and find answers to questions, and when a story does break, Steve is usually the guy.

BirdBabe who isn’t even professional enough to use her own name is just awful. and Terrence whatever his name is, is just a player hater, and if I were on Falcons staff, I wouldn’t grant this guy an interview either.

Steve-You’re ok in my book. The ajc is weak though.

By David

August 3, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

Mike and Robert are so ignorant. Go back to the sports talk station you were listening too. Your ignorance isn’t needed here.

By Tyger

August 3, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

I would get Porter or Lelie or any other young stud I could find. White and Jenkins have proven nothing and our entire season weighs in the balance. Another star caliber receiver would light a fire under them and let the cream rise to the top.

Where’s Rod Gardner by the way?

By CQ

August 3, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

you guys must be drunk. The Raiders are asking the team that takes Porter repay his signing bonus of 4 million dollars plus tak on his contract and give up a top draft pick or a good player. That would be stupid to do that. Lelie is no better than White. White has the better upside.

Even if the Falcons pick up Prohl they have to pay the league min for a vet which is $750,000 and hes not going to play for that. If you want a big body for a possesion receiver bring JJ Stokes out of retirement. Hes 6’5,with the same speed as Finn.

By CQ

August 3, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

you guys must be drunk. The Raiders are asking the team that takes Porter repay his signing bonus of 4 million dollars plus tak on his contract and give up a top draft pick or a good player. That would be stupid to do that. Lelie is no better than White. White has the better upside.

Even if the Falcons pick up Prohl they have to pay the league min for a vet which is $750,000 and hes not going to play for that. If you want a big body for a possesion receiver bring JJ Stokes out of retirement. Hes 6’5,with the same speed as Finn.

By True Falcons Fan

August 3, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Well here we go again, I have been very supportive of the falcons and I’m a very big fan, but I’m beginning to start to wonder if the front office know what the hell they are doing. First Randy moss and Terrell owens now you have a chance to being in a receiver with the like of Porter or Lelie both of which will be a need spark to this Offense. I’m beginning to think that they don’t want Vick to DO WELL, Because I and (I know they see)that Jenkins is not going to be an elite receiver. Until THE ATLANTA FALCONS get that player in here to make DEFENSES RESPECT THEM they will continue to see 8 man fronts from every team they play and make those young receiver beat them and I don’t think they can do it( Jenkins). BUT I STILL WISH THEM WELL!!!

By CQ

August 3, 2006 09:09 PM | Link to this

you guys must be drunk. The Raiders are asking the team that takes Porter repay his signing bonus of 4 million dollars plus tak on his contract and give up a top draft pick or a good player. That would be stupid to do that. Lelie is no better than White. White has the better upside.

Even if the Falcons pick up Prohl they have to pay the league min for a vet which is $750,000 and hes not going to play for that. If you want a big body for a possesion receiver bring JJ Stokes out of retirement. Hes 6’5,with the same speed as Finn.

By True Falcons Fan

August 3, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Well here we go again, I have been very supportive of the falcons and I’m a very big fan, but I’m beginning to start to wonder if the front office know what the hell they are doing. First Randy moss and Terrell owens now you have a chance to being in a receiver with the like of Porter or Lelie both of which will be a need spark to this Offense. I’m beginning to think that they don’t want Vick to DO WELL, Because I and (I know they see)that Jenkins is not going to be an elite receiver. Until THE ATLANTA FALCONS get that player in here to make DEFENSES RESPECT THEM they will continue to see 8 man fronts from every team they play and make those young receiver beat them and I don’t think they can do it( Jenkins). BUT I STILL WISH THEM WELL!!!

By Dave Grover

August 3, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

Mike L you are an idiot. Who is our starting left takle?? Who is our starting starting right takle?? Gandy and Weiner!! This “Shefter” (Shaffer) guy you are talking about went to the Browns. I thought you would have known that. Maybe someone can write you another article. Get your facts right. As much as we appreciate your thoughts and blog, I am surprised by the lack of research and information that you provide in your blog.

By michael

August 3, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

Porter is way better than receiver we have. Put Deangelo back on defense, he’s no Deion Sanders! This front office want Vick too fell as a QB! There not trying give him any help at the receiver position. Being in Porter and move Jenkins to number #3! And you’ll see a big differance in this offense!

By jay

August 3, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

Rod Gardner is drinking under a bridge somewhere. Why not make Jenkins the #3 receiver?! his height is more comparable to Finn’s than wnyone else on the team. Trade for Lelie and make White #2. They might be two of the fastest receivers in the game. Just have Vick launch the ball and have tehm go get it. Both won’t be doubled at the same time because the defense has to respect crump. This could work.

By jay

August 3, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

Rod Gardner is drinking under a bridge somewhere. Why not make Jenkins the #3 receiver?! his height is more comparable to Fimm’s than wnyone else on the team. Trade for Lelie and make White #2. They might be two of the fastest receivers in the game. Just have Vick launch the ball and have tehm go get it. Both won’t be doubled at the same time because the defense has to respect crump. This could work.

By jay

August 3, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

Rod Gardner is drinking under a bridge somewhere. Why not make Jenkins the #3 receiver?! his height is more comparable to Finn’s than anyone else on the team. Trade for Lelie and make White #2. They might be two of the fastest receivers in the game. Just have Vick launch the ball and have tehm go get it. Both won’t be doubled at the same time because the defense has to respect crump. This could work.

By steve Wyche

August 3, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

Hey guys,

Thanks for checking in. Great responses to the blog. I love it. You guys are real football fans and this is the type of stuff I love to see. Regarding the wide receiver situation, the Falcons, again, are simply doing their homework on Lelie and Porter. They haven’t broached trade talks because they aren’t sure they want to trade for those guys. They are doing their due diligence, though.

The longer the Falcons wait, the more Oakland and Denver, if they want to trade those guys, could relax trade demands. Some decent players could get cut and teams could pursue those players instead of giving up a draft pick or a player to acquire them.

I think Atlanta will still go in another direction, though. They will either sit tight with the players they have or wait until after maybe the second preseason game to check out the waiver wire or free agency.

By Mike L.

August 3, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

Dave Grover,

ill admit my mistake - yes Weiner not Shaffer, i think most of the people realized who i was talking about. ill do my research better next time, thank you for pointing that out.

However, im not sure that any of the reporters that cover the Falcons noticed that Ojinnaka actually moved to RT to back up Weiner and possibly push for the starting job - interesting, because everyone was really quick to complain about the Falcons O-line all year long and all offseason long. These days noone finds it interesting to write about possible upgrades on both sides of the line.

Also - sugarlee - this article was posted today. the talk about possibly trading for receivers has been going on since Finneran went down - I totally agree with you that stories have to be repeated, but I find it hard to believe that there is nothing new to write about since sunday or saturday or whenever Finneran went down?

By the way - the sports talk stations seem to have a similar problem … they are a little more current on their stuff though.

By Mike L.

August 3, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this

Thanks for checking back in Steve Wyche … are there any news on a possible search for a nose tackle? Rich McKay mentioned not so long ago that he is still not done with the roster and that the search for a big body at the nose tackle continues.

Also, I am concerned about the right corner situation - Webster hasnt been practicing much thus far and Jimmy Williams has been having some problems getting up to speed, to say the least … is that of any concern to the Falcons staff? Any signs of moving people from the left corner position over - they have Hall, Cash, and Rossum playing on the left side … all quite experienced and seemingly doing a decent job at least.

How are the Falcons looking to improve the depth at the D-line? The truth is that if in the present situation Abraham, Coleman, or Kerney go down - we are going to have the same situation as last year - an inexperienced line … even though the rookies got some playing time last year.

By Frank

August 3, 2006 11:22 PM | Link to this

You people that want Porter are crazy. Do you realize that the Raiders want a number one pick plus someone for him. As far as Lelie goes if the Falcons really wanted him they would have taken him in the first round yearsago when they took T.J. Duckett instead. One more thing for anyone who doesn’t like Jenkins or Roddy, receivers make their biggest jump of improvment from years 1 to 2 and 2 to 3. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that right were are receivers now. Jenkins caught 30 passes more last year than he did the year before. White caught 24 of his 29 catches in the second half of last season. All this equals to me atleast a cupple of very promising young players at the receiver position.

By big kem

August 3, 2006 11:30 PM | Link to this

i think its really gonna be interesting seeind D Hall at WR

By Grover

August 3, 2006 11:57 PM | Link to this

Mike L,

I appologize for calling you an idiot. You handled it very well. Sorry about that.

Frank,

I agree with you %100. If the Falcons picked up either one of these receivers it would probably screw up the team’s chemistry. I am glad we did not pursue Owens and Moss for that same reason.

I like our offensive line and the system that Alex Gibbs has implemented. The system saves salary cap space and allows us to run the hell out of the ball.

Jay,

I like the idea of utilizing the deep pass. If successful, it will definitely open up the field.

For the most part, I think the Falcons are in pretty good shape. Duckett is going to have a great year, I can feel it!! All we need is a reliable field goal kicker. That is our biggest weakness.

By rodney

August 4, 2006 12:34 AM | Link to this

I think the falcons should trade for Porter, he is a proven reciever, with a little attitude. When will our Georgia teams realize that we need some bad boys in the locker rooms to start winning. (take the hint braves, hawks)

By M Lerner

August 4, 2006 12:38 AM | Link to this

Can we dust off Alfred Jenkins and Wallace Francis?

Jimmy Cefalo is probably available.

By keeping it REAL !

August 4, 2006 02:28 AM | Link to this

By Grover You say you like Gibbs system and our offense line . Pass blocking you are happy with if so you are a loser. Look at the game tapes and tell me they looked good. If you took Vick 700 yard out this lind would be middle of the road in run blocking’ Pass blocking clueless areal joke. 5th and 7 rounder blocking 1th 2nd rounder on defense line which skill level will win most battles. 80% run blocking and 40% pass. with this system if we can’t run we lose. In pass bocking this small line can’t hold up to the pressure just look at the game tapes. #61 and #62 are the weak links now on this team This scheme has to many holes in .We need big mean people who can stay on there blocks and don’t get the break beat off them in pass blocking . Look at the geme tapes it won’t lie!!!

By Ken Strickland

August 4, 2006 02:28 AM | Link to this

JEFF, if we trade Jenkins for Porter, how will that solve our need for a 3rd receiver. You are doing no more than exchanging receivers. RAY, we need another receiver because of a little thing called INJURIES. It happened to Finn and it can happen again to any of our remaining receivers. Remember, the greatest QB’s in NFL history have never completed a single pass to anyone on IR. FALCON4EVER, remember P Price, he was a proven commodity until he came to the Falcons. And he wasn’t known as a trouble maker like Porter, but he started to become one. TYGER, you are correct, Jenkins & White haven’t proven anything yet. But, how do you expect them to prove anything if they’re not given a chance. You can give a person a chance to succeed or you can give a person a chance to fail. Either way, you still have to give that person a chance. TRUE FALCONS FAN, I know you aren’t complaining because the Falcons didn’t go after Owens or Moss. These two very talented boneheads played on pass oriented teams and critized 2 of the better passing QBs in NFL(Culpepper & McNabb)for not throwing to them enough. How much more disruptive do you think either of them would be playing on a run oriented OFF with run oriented QB? RODNEY, the Vikings had a bad boy and look at the problems he caused. The 49ers had one and got rid of him by sending him to Philly. And we all know what he did to that team don’t we. Be careful what you wish for. Fortunately, the Falcons won’t follow the suggestions of some of the fans on this blog and make any knee jerk moves to replace the Finn.

By Grover

August 4, 2006 03:44 AM | Link to this

Real, Maybe your right, but I like defense. If we had your kind of offensive line we probably would not be able to afford players such as Rod Coleman, Keith Brooking, John Abraham, Patrick Kerney, and Ed Hartwell. Could we afford Vick??

Our offense was not all that bad last year. With a healthy defense we would have definitely made it to the playoffs.

A good running game opens up the passing game. Vick and the recievers need to get in sync. Vick isn’t a pocket passer and it sounds like he doesn’t really want to be. The passing game will develop or Greg Knapp will be fired. I guarantee you Gibbs’ system will remain. You probably should just get over this whole offensive line thing, because the system is here to stay!!

Alex Gibbs has proven his system’s effectiveness throughout his years in Denver and he is proving it again in Atl. Denver is still using his system. Who ranked second in overall rushing yards last year?? Denver Who ranked first?? Atlanta It minimizes the costs of the offense line and eventually it will minimize the cost of the running backs.

If you want to send me some of those tapes I would greatly appreciate it.

By chris

August 4, 2006 07:35 AM | Link to this

The Falcons should not trade for Porter or Lelie. The team that takes Porter has to pay back 4 million to the team, pay his salery and then give something up in a trade. Thats too much. Lelie is no better than What we have. He has not proven anything. The best option is Proehl however hes not going to want to play for $750,000. The can take a chance on JJ stokes or wait until teams start making cuts in a few weeks.

By Kudzu

August 4, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

Why do your need another receiver (especially some so called big name) when our idiot QB can’t hit the broad side of a barn? Maybe Vick could move to receiver and let Schaub throw it up…

By rian

August 4, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Did somebody actually say we should bring in JJ Stokes? What are you smoking? He is the definition of a BUM!!!

By brian

August 4, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

For all of you who say that the front office wants Vick to fail…SHUT UP. That has got to be the most IGNORANT comment on this blog. So, what you are saying is that a professional organization signs a player to a long term contract and then turns and attempts to place him in a postion where he has the opportunity to fail? That has got to be the most moronic statement posted. You have truly dropped below even Terrence Moore standards. Idiots! Why don’t you go and write in the Detroit Lions blog. Then you will have mutual losers.

By brian

August 4, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

For all of you who say that the front office wants Vick to fail…SHUT UP. That has got to be the most IGNORANT comment on this blog. So, what you are saying is that a professional organization signs a player to a long term contract and then turns and attempts to place him in a postion where he has the opportunity to fail? That has got to be the most moronic statement posted. You have truly dropped below even Terrence Moore standards. Idiots! Why don’t you go and write in the Detroit Lions blog. Then you will have mutual losers.

By brian

August 4, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

For all of you who say that the front office wants Vick to fail…SHUT UP. That has got to be the most IGNORANT comment on this blog. So, what you are saying is that a professional organization signs a player to a long term contract and then turns and attempts to place him in a postion where he has the opportunity to fail? That has got to be the most moronic statement posted. You have truly dropped below even Terrence Moore standards. Idiots! Why don’t you go and write in the Detroit Lions blog. Then you will have mutual losers.

By brian

August 4, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

For all of you who say that the front office wants Vick to fail…SHUT UP. That has got to be the most IGNORANT comment on this blog. So, what you are saying is that a professional organization signs a player to a long term contract and then turns and attempts to place him in a postion where he has the opportunity to fail? That has got to be the most moronic statement posted. You have truly dropped below even Terrence Moore standards. Idiots! Why don’t you go and write in the Detroit Lions blog. Then you will have mutual losers.

By Reginald Short

August 4, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Though tragic i can’t say it was unexpected what happened to Finneran. Every team every year experiences a crushing injury and the falcons are no exceptions. 2005 BRADY SMITH, 2004 ED JASPER and 2003 MIKE VICK. The key to minimizing the effects is by having a combination of young talent, experience and depth. Trading Matt Schaub to HOU for two second rounders and then in turn trading Duckett for NYJ third round pick would result in lost of experience. However signing Quincy Carter who is currently in the CFL wouldn’t provided a veteran playoff backup QB while still developing your third string QB. Switching Justin Griffin to your punishing back would be a easy transition since he’s use to hitting guys who are 280 or bigger and moving them back two or three yards. With those picks we couldn’t gotten gotten better help on the O-Line and D-Line. Not to dwell to long on the past why not simply sign Ricky Phroeil seeing how Jenkins and White are so great that they were given the starting jobs without even waiting to the end of training camp to decide.

By Mike L.

August 4, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

In all fairness - for all of us bashing the writers - or at least Steve Wyche- he did a good piece yesterday on the Falcons Dialy report about D.Hall playing wide reciver. Ofcourse the coaching staff is not looking to play him at receiver on all downs, but to throw him in every once in a while - especially in games where he doesnt have a tough assignment on D - couldbe very beneficial. when the defensive coordinators see him in thegame they will have to adjust for him … he is a great athlete and they cant just let him run around without being covered well, and adjusting for him might just as well free up someone else - Alge, Jenkins, Roddy, or maybe Dunn on a short route out of the backfield.

Instead of trading for receivers - i completely agree with all of you guys onthe postings … i think we should look for ways to get a veteran receiver in and then use someo f our weapons better. Dunn has great hands and good potential to be a bigger part int he running game - similar to how the Eagles are using Westbrook - that means that the teams will have to adjust for Dunn on short routes as well - that should open longer deeper passes for Jenkins and White.

However, Grover … i completely agree with you … i have posted on this before - the offense, despite all the complaints, has looked very decent last year. we have to understand that the Falcons will never have a passing game like the Colts do … they are built differently. maybe its not as exciting to watch the running game as 35 yard passes, but it wins games.

By Jeff

August 4, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

KEN STRICKLAND - trading Jenkins for Porter does solve our need for a number 3 receiver. Currently, we are in dire need of a solid number 3 receiver because our number 2 receiver (Jenkins) is a question mark. Finneran was the only WR we knew would produce. Now that he’s gone, we don’t have any receivers that have proven anything. If we bring in a solid, proven WR like Porter, we could then get away with using Pathon or even Jennings at the number 3 spot.

By Steve Wyche

August 4, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Hey guys,

I don’t have much time but I wanted to get to some of your questions. First off, at least this AJC reporter has noticed Quinn Ojinakka at right tackle because that is where he’s played all along. They plan to groom him to eventually take over for Todd Weiner. Frank Omiyale has been backing up Wayne Gandy at left tackle. Omiyale, in his second season, could move into the starting lineup next season.

As for the nost guard spot, the Falcons clearly are not happy with Lavalais, having already demoted him behind Darrell Shropshire. They are very intrigued by short, but wide-bodied rookie free agents Tommy Jackson and Michael Bozeman. They’re both quick but they can also hold their ground. I wouldn’t rule out Brentson Buckner being brought in later in training camp.

By DIRRTYBIRD

August 4, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

I think Brentston Bruckner and Ricky Proehl would be good pick ups. We’ll get a piece of Carolina, and we don’t have to make trades to do it. Holla.

By Mike L.

August 4, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Steve … thanks for checking back in and clarifying some things. I would put my life on the line for the fact that i saw Ojinnaka at RT backing up Gandy at first …

Anywyas, at the strong safety - is there any kind of a plan to back up Milloy with another veteran safety - maybe bring someone back … because currently Newton and Reis are backing Milloy … and if he goes down the safety spot becomes a problem again. at least at free safety the Flacons have Mathis backing up Crocker.

Has there been anything about possibly bringing in Lance Schulters … i know they showed some interest in bringing him in last year.

By steve wyche

August 4, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

I think there is a shot they could bring in a veteran safety to back up Milloy. Right now, like you said, Cam Newton is the main backup and they like him a lot - especially since he’s so good on special teams. I think they’re going to let this one play out over the preseason before they make any moves. I don’t think Lance wuold be one of those guys, but I wouldn’t rule out Ronnie Heard.

By JayD

August 4, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Rashaun Woods (Former 1 rd pick) was cut yesterday by San Diego. It wouldn’t hurt to bring in guys like this to see what the have.

By JayD

August 4, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Rashaun Woods, a WR from OK State (former first rounder) was cut by San Diego yesterday. It wouldn’t hurt to bring in guys like this, and see what they have.

By JayD

August 4, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Rashaun Woods, a WR from OK State (former first rounder) was cut by San Diego yesterday. It wouldn’t hurt to bring in guys like this, and see what they have.

By Dave

August 4, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

No doubt. Signing Proehl and Buckner would provide much needed insurance. Both vets have expressed interest in Atlanta, especially Buckner. Both vets would be more than eager to stick it to their old team twice a year—just as Chris Draft now plays with extra venom when facing the Falcons. Finally, both vets are quite affordable and could lend some insight into Carolina’s strategies.

By MIke

August 4, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

We need to trade for some QB help first. Who cares who our WR’s are when the QB can’t get a pass to them.

By DIRRTYBIRD

August 4, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Mike,

Good idea. Now how realistic do you think your idea is? Let’s get with the program here. What do you think that chances of the Falcons trading for a QB are? You’re taking up space on the blog.

By Mo

August 4, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

I think a trade for someone like a Ricky Proehl makes a lot of sense; especially for where we stand right now. Ricky should be an asset on the field as well as off.

First off, Ricky has no real speed. What makes him a good fit, though, is his route running and the fact that he doesn’t drop balls in the clutch. Plus, he has a ring.

Now, if he can somehow teach and challenge the youngsters we have at the WR position, it will only elevate Jenkins and Roddy White’s game. In other words, if Ricky’s presence can help improve White’s and Jenkins’ route running and clutch catching skills, then we will have a winner.

Oh, and as for Vick, I think this year will be the best year in his career thus far. See, Mike is one of those guys that is constantly tweaking and honing. I think, though, that this year should be the year he just won’t care so much and just play football like it’s fun again.

Mo

By los72

August 4, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Due to salary cap reasons we can’t pull the trigger on a number three receiver. So now is the time to use our farm system 6’5 “DEREK LEE” he has the potential of becoming our third option at receiver. Plug him in the system and we will make good on our investment with the GEORGIA FORCE. DEREK LEE will catch the ball, will the Falcon’s catch the idea.

By DIRRTYBIRD

August 4, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

We can use Finneran’s cap space now that he is on injured reserve.

By Ken Strickland

August 4, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

JEFF, Porter is a proven receiver with the Raiders, but he hasn’t proven anything as a Falcon. What you are saying reflects the same thought process the Falcons had when they went overboard and signed P. Price, remember. He was also a proven receiver too, after having over 90 receptions in 1yr for the Bills. He didn’t have 90 receptions during his entire tenure with the Falcons. Have you also noticed that Moss’ production with the Raiders has dramatically fallen off since leaving the Vikings. KEEPING IT REAL, you seem to think that putting a quality, productive OFF line together can be done overnight. This OFF system is unique and is used by only 2 NFL teams, ATL & DEN. They have finished 1-2 in rushing the last 2yrs. Denver has had more 1000yd rushers and finished #1 in rushing more than any team in modern NFL history using this same system. They did this drafting linemen in the 4th-7th rds. They have used this same system to qualify for several Superbowls, winning 2 back to back. THE SYSTEM WORKS, but the linemen and system takes time to develop. Last yr was Lehr’s 1st in the system, give him time. Anyone with any football sense knows that pass blocking takes longer to develop than any other OFF phase. When you can install a new system, including completely new blocking techniques and schemes, then lead the NFL in rushing 2 consecutive yrs, something is damn sure working right. If it was so easy, other teams with their superior OFF lines would be doing it. Current & former players that have played in the Falcons system have repeatedly said that it took them time to completely understand it and feel confortable. So, let’s be patient.

By keeping it REAL !

August 4, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

Trade the offense line and gibbs to the CFL

By Jeff

August 4, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

KEN - Yes, Porter has proven himself with the Raiders and has proven nothing as a Falcon. However, that’s only because he has not been a Falcon. Jenkins, on the other hand, is a Falcon and has not proven anything. Nor has he provided any indication that he ever will.

Also, I understand your comparing Porter and Price. However, I don’t think the comparison is a good one. Price’s production was a result of his playing opposite Eric Moulds. Moreover, he only had one good season. Porter, however, has proven that he can be very successful as a number 1 WR - something Jenkins is unable to do - and has had tremendous success over the past several seasons.

By Mike L.

August 4, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

Nice idea los72 … why not bring Derek Lee to camp and see how he does. He has proven to be one of the best in the AFL.

Hehehe … finally someone that thinks outside the box a bit - unlike the rest of us that only bash about things around here …

By Ken Strickland

August 5, 2006 12:11 AM | Link to this

JEFF, you made some very good points. When all is said and done, salary cap and trade value will be the deciding factor. I don’t think they’ll trade for him because they have to maintain cap flexibility if they decide to sign a place kicker or DT later. KEEPING IT REAL, I’ve come to realize that there are people who can’t see the forrest for the trees, and you are definitely one of them. Your mind is so narrowly focused, when discussing the Falcons, that you can’t process anything outside of that narrow focus. Attempting to explain something to you in a logical, common sense manner is a complete waste of time. So, you are on your own, good luck.

By L.J.

August 5, 2006 12:43 AM | Link to this

Jeff, you are an idiot. Just plain dumb.

JayD, Rashaun Woods was claimed by Denver, but was released b/c he couldn’t pass a physical (he’s nursing a hurt hammy (sound familiar?)). So there’s really no use of bringing a guy in who’s going to ride the bike and sit in the hot tub.

By Jeff

August 5, 2006 02:39 AM | Link to this

KEN, you’re right. Trading Jenkins for Porter would never happen. Porter makes too much money, and it would probably take too much time for Vick and Porter to develop any sort of chemistry. That was just wishful thinking on my part.

By TAJ

August 5, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Leave the WR situation alone. We’ve got enough of them on our roster to take care of the season. If by some chance another WR goes down for the season then it’s time to make a deal for Porter or Lelie. I’ve watched Adam Jennings while I’ve been at camp and he’s going to turn some heads. This kid is a natural.

By Ken Strickland

August 5, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

TAJ, I like the way you are thinking. Bringing in a vet that would expect to start could create problems. Remember when P. Price was demoted to the 3rd receiver. He was embarrassed and the move created tension and put considerable pressure on Jenkins. Price had to be waved and the Falcons took a big cap hit. JEFF, you have shown yourself to be the opposite of Keeping it Real in that you have a very open mind. We exchanged thoughts and opinions and came to a common agreement. That type of exchange and results would seems to be an impossible task for Keeping it Real. Our passing game would improve dramatically if we adjusted our passing strategy. Teams routinely bring their safeties up to stop our dominate running game. That makes it difficult to throw quick slants, outs and screens. We should use more play action to throw over the DEF and take advantage of having big receivers. The threat of the bomb would force the safeties to retreat, open up the short passing game and make our rushing attack even stronger. In last yrs Probowl, Payton Manning told Vick that he shouldn’t wait for his receivers to get open. He said he should anticipate them getting open and throw to a spot. That would eliminate Vicks problem of holding the ball too long and would also cut down on sacks. With a much improved DEF we can afford to take more chances on OFF. We lost 4 games last yr, within the last few minutes, by 3pts each. With better DEF play the Falcons could have been 12-4, despite the injuries and everthing else. With a vastly improved DEF, we should win those games this yr. Our OFF will be better because our DEF will create more scoring opportunities, while keeping the opposition off the score board. This is a better team than the one that played Philly in the NFC Championship game in 04. Barring key injuries, we should be able to play with anyone. GO FALCONS!!!!

By T-Bone

August 5, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this

Blank gets it and understand the fans and I wish he could own the Braves. By the way the Falcons will win a championship during the Blank era.

By CHRIS

August 6, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

ADDING A RECIEVER WILL BE GREAT KNOWING INJURIES OCCUR GET LELIE BEFORE the Eagles get him. we should have drafted him instead of Duckett not that he is not a good back he dont fit our system plus Lelie runs a 4.2 speed kills

By L.J.

August 6, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Chris,

Speed may kill, but if you’re lazy and/or drop a lot of passes, what good is it?

By JeanE

August 7, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

I was out of town when I heard about Finn…I’m CRUSHED, he’s my favorite player by far & now everyone will see how valuable he is to this team, he’s never been appreciated enough especially by the fans. That said, forget trading for a veteran. It’s up to Jenkins now, Vick must have a tall target, he’s too short to see over the line & Jenkins is 6’4”. Step up, dude! Your time is NOW. Then, let’s mix up the packages & get the guys with good hands involved, i.e. Dunn & Griffith. Not only is Vick’s security blanket gone, he’ll be sorely missed on run blocking & special teams. We won’t forget you Finn!!

By ILL-logical

August 7, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

The Washington Post is reporting that Ray Anderson has been hired by the NFL to replace Art Shell.

By Scott

August 7, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Did the Falcons’ wide receivers produce last year? Of course not, but they were essentially both rookies. Jenkins only played special teams his 1st year - and by the way did anyone notice that he typically was the wideout on punt coverage blanketed by 2 defensive men? He still got downfield often to make the play - now that tells me he’s a receiver who can get open with speed, moves, strength, and he’s tough. When you accept the fact that last year they were both rookies, then you should compare their numbers with the other teams in the NFL who had rookies at their 2 primary receiver positions…hmm, probably weren’t any were there? And if you can find any comparison even in the last few years, I think the White/Jenkins numbers will hold up. In the NFL, if you ever see a rookie WR get big numbers its probably because he had a veteran mentor on the other side (not in Atlanta) who drew the better coverage, or they had a sophisticated passing attack (not in Atlanta). Also, Vick only throws the ball about 25 or 30 times a game at MOST, completing only about 15 to 18 per game, and that doesn’t give many chances to put up bit numbers. Add in that the Falcons’ defense was horrid last year, and you find bad field position taking away your offensive options. I believe you’ll see 120+ catches between Jenkins and White this year. Lastly, everyone thinks we should spend valuable cap money on bringing in another receiver, but what is your 4th receiving option (that’s what we’re talking about with Alge in the mix) gonna get you each game? 2 to 3 catches at the most. You can get that from Proehl or Adam Jennings or DHall. I say you bring in another O lineman. One last point while I’m rambling: If Demorrio Williams is so down about not being a starter, then maybe he should consider losing about 10 pounds and playing strong safety - with his speed, nose for the ball, and hard hits that could be fun to watch.

By Georgian in Oklahoma

August 7, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Open Tryouts for the third wideout spot?

They could save a few bucks.

Two weeks until MADDEN 07!!!

By I think with a drawl

August 9, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Jim Mora proved why he will never win big in Atlanta by stating that no reciever they brought in (be it Lelie or Porter or anyone else) would even be able to compete for the chance to start. Either one of those guys would be an instant, dramatic upgrade. How can you deny Vick better help. In my opinion, he is a great QB. And no QB has ever won big without a stud on the outside. Ever!!! We need new receivers and coaches!

By I think with a drawl

August 9, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Jim Mora proved why he will never win big in Atlanta by stating that no reciever they brought in (be it Lelie or Porter or anyone else) would even be able to compete for the chance to start. Either one of those guys would be an instant, dramatic upgrade. How can you deny Vick better help. In my opinion, he is a great QB. And no QB has ever won big without a stud on the outside. Ever!!! We need new receivers and coaches!