Get Schooled

By RPM

September 14, 2005 10:38 AM | Link to this

If you are ILLEGAL then you shouldn’t be here and certainly shouldn’t be taking up university space that LEGAL residents are entitled to. What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand?

By fed up

September 14, 2005 10:47 AM | Link to this

NO we shouldn’t allow them to enroll. Are those nine other states insane for offering them instate tuition when citizens of our own country have to pay out of state tuition if it applies to them?

In my opinion, they illegal aliens should be carted to the U.S. boarder and booted out. They can always get on a waiting list and become legal if they want back in.

By WENDY

September 14, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this

illegal aliens should be allow to go to school as long as they pay for the services. Since some of the so called americans are not making use of the free education given to them , why not allow those who want to be educated go to school, are they bothering you or are you sacred of them?

By Don

September 14, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

Are you joking? It is not the illegal parents that are trying to attend college it will be their children. What is the criteria to prove residency for a incoming college freshmen? Isn’t one of them their high school transcript? Didn’t Georgia like many states begin entertaining educating children of immigrants whether they were legal or not? If the children of illegal immigrants are eligible to attend public school then it will ultimately extend to public colleges complete with the Hope scholarship. Obviously the train of thought here is to provide illegals every opportunity if they are willing to work hard and be productive. What concerns me is the insourcing of outsourced labor(illegal parents). Where will this lead?

By Shirley

September 14, 2005 11:21 AM | Link to this

Absolutely the should be barred. As long as our leaders in government, education and our local leaders continue to send the message that it is okay to live in this country illegally and enjoy all the benefits that legal citizens enjoy - and pay for, we will continue to have problems with illegal immigration. How short is our memory. The 9/11 killers were also here illegally - being educated in our schools. If our leaders looked after the real citizens as well as they do the illegal immigrants we would be better off.

By Anthony

September 14, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this

Wendy,you are an example of why we are where we are.Illegals have no right to be here and no excuse in the world will change that.There is no so-called american-you either are or you ain’t.Employers don’t want to pay proper wages for work rendered,so they hire illegals for what amounts to slave labor and pay them what they want. A small percentage of that money stays here,most goes back home to wherever they come from.The argument is used that if the employers did not use them we would pay more for services.Not true-the employers pocket the profits and still give us the service at the same price. Allowing them in our colleges just continues the taxpayer burden. Here is a scenario I would like you to think about. An illegal comes to America with his family. He gets a lawncare job making 200-250 a week. His wife goes to welfare services and gets food stamps,peachcare and family vouchers for housing. Now,who’s getting over on who?

By Mary

September 14, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this

There are laws on the books that prohibit the profit from illegal activity. Why then, are we allowing those who would break our immigration laws, along with a string of others once they get here in order to stay, to benefit from the fact that they broke the law to begin with? I say if you’re not here legally your children are not here legally. While I feel for the children in this situation, they are not our responsibility. Their parents are ultimately to blame by putting them in a situation that they went into eyes wide open. Deport them all and make being an American Citizen mean something once again.

By Saul Olvera-Rubio

September 14, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this

Ok, so what about the students that grew up with your kids? What about the students who had NO choice - who were brought here as babies and raised in American schools. (Btw, immigrants pay taxes too, ie: sales - and most of them are not as rich or as well off as the rest of us so they wouldn’t have to pay income taxes anyway) Would those students who are technically illegal be barred from public education even if they did pay the out-of-state tuition? I mean, we’re not going to get rid of immigrants so might as well educate them to make the U.S. a better place, in general.

By Swangirl

September 14, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

I found that article to be very interesting. Here’s the quote that caught my eye:

“Nor would the proposed state law include any penalties against those who employ illegal immigrants.”

So we’re going to deny access to public colleges to paying illegal immigrants. But it’s okay for large businesses, such as construction companies and farms, to hire them. Apparently, educating illegals is NOT.

It’s okay to use illegals for manual labor. But letting them pursue an education and perhaps gain legal status, become a productive citizen, that’s not okay.

If we’re going to say illegals aren’t welcome, then we need to enforce it in all cases. They need to be reported and sent back. But I suspect that some legislators who have invested in some of these large companies would react in horror if their illegal workforces had to suddenly hit the road.

It all seems a bit hypocritical to me.

By Saul Olvera-Rubio

September 14, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this

I am irate. Ignorance. If you ever deport all immigrants then the U.S. economy will suffer tremendously. I mean, really, constuction would halt and no one would cut your grass besides the local prison detail. Now I’m not sure if you know who runs that department but I assure you its not the Boys Scouts! By law, if you’re born here, regardless of your parents legal status, you are an American with all the bells and whistles. Public universities should allow students who are in the process of legalizing themselves to enroll. Hahaha, you Republicans and your “No Child Left Behind” slogan. Sheesh, stick to what you say and leave no (any) child behind.

By Mary

September 14, 2005 12:05 PM | Link to this

What part of ILLEGAL is hard to understand. As I said, I feel for the kids, but if you want to lay a guilt trip on someone about it, talk to their parents. It’s not about getting rid of immigrants, only those who chose to break our laws rather than obey them by taking shortcuts to get here. How about those other immigrants who came here legally. What do you say to them when they had to jump through all kinds of hoops to get here and you want to treat those who would simply sneak across the same way? Criminals have to be treated as criminals, and make no mistake, these people are criminals. They have broken laws to get here and then start a long trail of fraud to stay here. That is criminal hehavior.

By James McCoy

September 14, 2005 12:12 PM | Link to this

Most of the comments were blant racist comments aim at Mexicans,I never hear anyone complain about the illegal White Europeans in this country. How about taking a day trip to Boston and count the illegal Irish in that city. The rich and powerful in this country use and abuse the Mexicans who come to this country and now you want to keep them barefoot and dumb!

By Nancy

September 14, 2005 12:22 PM | Link to this

We need to stop illegal immigration at the core … the employers using illegal immigrants. And I am tired of hearing how we need illegals for our economy. We more than pay for their cheap labor and lack of paying taxes. Illegal immigrants are a terrible strain on our public school, medical and judicial systems. We are educating, giving medical treatment and government subsidies for people that have not gone through the legal/proper entry into this country and are not paying taxes. They are illegals and should not be given the same benefits as citizens of this country and those who have gone through all the paperwork and hoops to be considered legal immigrants.

By RPM

September 14, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this

Illegal is illegal regardless of race, creed, color, religion, sex or national origin. It is supposed to be against the law to hire illegals. That should be enforced. If they are needed for the workforce then put up a booth at the border and turn them into documented, legal workers and let them in. Don’t just blindly say that since they made it through, go ahead and give them all the benefits that those that went through the system got. The Federal Government is failing in it’s duty.

By Barbara Vickroy

September 14, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

*In response to Wendy — what do you mean by ” so called americans”? That phrase reveals full well the contempt that you have for our nation, our people, and our laws. You ask if these students - most of whom have been given a free K-12 education are bothering us. If there were only a few, the answer would be NO, but since there are millions of them, the answer is YES! Please look at the data on the US Dept. of Education website http://www.ncela.gwu.edu/policy/states/index1.htm You will note that Limited English Learners have increased in GA by 397.8% between 1994-2004. There is considerable cost associated with meeting the needs of these students. If they were legitimate -legal- immigrants that would be one thing, but the fact that they are illegal aliens makes it a criminal neglect of our own children. *In response to RPM - while I understand your sentiments, I hope you will never again ask the empty question: “that part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand?” You know that employers, politicians, and race pimps understand and disregard illegal status as long as they can profit from it.

By James McCoy

September 14, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this

RPM,I live in the real world,race and class does play a role in who get’s educated and who don’t. If you anti-illegal folks are so harden on your postion why do you keep electing people who allow this to go on? Because it’s cheap labor and the big corporations own your congressman and senators,just that simple. And you Joe Lunchbucket thinks they are looking out for your best interests.

By GRE

September 14, 2005 12:43 PM | Link to this

I consider myself a pretty liberal person, but this illegal situation is out of control. It’s high time employers stop employing illegals, and we stop providing services for them. If we continue to provide incentives to come and stay here, without the proper boarder control, of course they will come. And I mean all illegals, europeans, cubans, africans, and latins. For a long time, I thought it was okay for the children to benefit as long as they were born on American soil. It seems to me, however, that that is being used as an argument for keeping the entire family here. I don’t care who was born on American soil. The entire family should be deported if both parents are illegal. All persons should have to go through the proper channels to become legal. Conversely, we need to control our boarders and decrease the quota for allowing citizenship to this country. We can barely take care of the people here, much less those who aren’t even from here. Let’s clean up our own house, before we try to invite the guests over to move in. It’s that simple.

By RPM

September 14, 2005 12:45 PM | Link to this

To barbara victory.

You may see it as an empty question, but it says it all.

If employers, politicians and ‘race pimps’ are disregarding the illegal status then they are also breaking the law and should be prosecuted.

By teacher

September 14, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this

Barbara—one reason the percentages have risen so much is that we are in a good economic phase right now and jobs are plentiful. I had new siding put on my house last year and the crew was all immigrants. I don’t know, but I suspect some may have been illegal immigrants. But you know, they showed up just after dawn and worked until dusk with only a lunch break. They did good work and did it quickly. An American crew wanted 5 grand more and needed three times the time to finish. That’s one reason there are so many illegals here. They’ll work all day for a little pay and do good work because they’re happy to be here and have a job. They appreciate the opportunity we take for granted, so they just keep coming.

By rpm

September 14, 2005 12:55 PM | Link to this

To James McCoy. How do you know how I vote or what my political leanings are? I merely state that if someone is ILLEGAL then they shouldn’t be here. If someone wants to come to the US then go through the process and become a LEGAL immigrant and I will welcome them. Perhaps you should consider that not everyone that is ‘anti-illegal’ should be lumped into a category as being a republican, a racist and pro corporation. I am none of the above.

By James McCoy

September 14, 2005 01:02 PM | Link to this

Could someone please tell me why Mexicans frightens so many in this country?

By Mary

September 14, 2005 01:02 PM | Link to this

Of course the American crew wanted more money. That’s the point! There is none of the cost of legally hiring people so they can afford to do the work for less. That’s cutting the throat of the law-abiding employers everywhere.

By M.Adkins

September 14, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this

Many of you people don’t have a clue. If our screwed up government bureacracy could fix the turnaround time for processing of visas and residency paperwork, many of these folks wouldn’t be illegal. And some of them even pay taxes!

By Mary

September 14, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this

I am so tired of hearing about how it’s our fault the illegals keep coming here. How about they take responsibility for their own actions ie illegally entering this country. If peole who employ illegals were fined or better yet, jailed there would be no problem because there wouldn’t be jobs for them. And don’t give me that bit about how the economy would suffer. The economy is suffering right now because of all of the Americans who are out of work due to the influx of illegals who can afford to work for less because they live many more to a home (seen the news lately?)than the majority of Americans. These peole do not want to be Americans. They do not attempt to learn English. They make no effort in adjusting in any way to our way of life. Do you think that if we went to France the people there would bend over backward to accomodate us? I think not.

By RPM

September 14, 2005 01:23 PM | Link to this

So the reason we have Illegal aliens is because they can’t wait for the paperwork? I don’t know for a fact but i don’t imagine that too many of the illegals in this country have pending paperwork and just couldn’t wait. Most came across the river and didn’t bother to stop at the immigration office.

By Linda

September 14, 2005 01:35 PM | Link to this

HECK NO!! It is a privledge not a right. Why should an illegal alien or even a non U.S. citizen, be alowed to go to a public college over someone who is a natural citizen. I know I would be PO ed if I got turned down for admission because they were all full and someone who is not a U.S. citizen got in instead of me.

By BJT

September 14, 2005 01:41 PM | Link to this

Mary, I agree with what both you and RPM are saying here.I have been reading this blog and amazed people cannot seem to comprehend that “Illegal” is bad and “Legal” is good. I agree with the fact that anyone who supports any of the illegal activity ie: entering the country illegally or hiring and supporting them after the fact is wrong!

By Mara

September 14, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this

Mr. McCoy, it’s not an issue of being afraid of Mexicans (or Irish, Bulgarian, Somalian, etc) it’s a matter of having respect for the “rule of law”. My family has been involved in the labor movement for decades. Because of them, and people like them, we have labor laws that protect workers from exploitation and endangerment. Illegals undermine the whole body of labor protections. And to all those who whimper about “they just wanna make a living”…consider the meat packers, construction workers, child care workers and general service workers. These were once jobs that the low-skilled or the poorly educated could do that would pay enough for them to live on and a bit extra to improve their lives. Now go out and try to get hired in any of those feilds. Unless you’re willing to work for the same substandard wages as an illegal…you might as well forget it.
That said, I’m not letting employers off the hook. I say that anyone hiring an illegal should lose their business liscence for at least a year per infraction and up to $5,000 fine per employee. Illegals are illegal. They know they’re illegal, they know it’s against our laws, they know their kids shouldn’t be here, and they darn well don’t give a hoot. Nor do they particularly want to become Americans. They want to exploit our economy, send most of their wages out of country, and then after grabbing all they can, return home and retire relatively wealthy (by their home-country standards). We don’t want ‘em and despite the rhetoric, we don’t need ‘em. I cut my own grass, care for my own family, and clean my own house, thank you very much. Send ‘em back where they came from, brown, yellow, white or what-ever.

By JHD

September 14, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this

Do we wanted people who come here to be trapped into low paying jobs forever? If someone has the drive to attend a university, it’s for society’s benefit to allow them to do so. The so-called illegals (I prefer undocumented) contribute billions to the economy. And they help make Social Security stronger—they pay in, but never take out. Racism always rears its head in dealing with people who are different. Will we ever learn from the past? Discrimination is discrimination—no matter what you call it.

By em

September 14, 2005 02:17 PM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants and their children should NOT have access to any type of government programs including public education be it K-12 or post-secondary. By granting access to benefits reserved for the taxpaying public, the federal government is giving tacit approval of an illegal activity. This is not an issue of nativism, this is an issue of what is legal and illegal and it is an issue in which our federal government has failed.

By Mara

September 14, 2005 02:23 PM | Link to this

JHD, they aren’t “so-called” illegals, they are in the country illegally. Of course we could call them “trespassers”, or “visa cheats”, “border jumpers” etc. but despite your PC-preferance for “undocumented” they’re still illegals.
And is’t it just so easy to dismiss any anti-ILLEGAL immigration person as a racist? Sure makes it easier to dismiss their concerns, doesn’t it? After all, everybody knows that only racists respect the law, right? And only racists want a secure border. And only racists would call someone who breaks the law a criminal. Right?

By carol

September 14, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this

JHD sorry but how can Social Security get stronger…the illegals work for cash and taxes aren’t taken out of their paychecks like mine.

By Saul Olvera-Rubio

September 14, 2005 02:38 PM | Link to this

You know, there are many things that are unlawful in the United States and there are many things that the law does punish, but denying a better life such as the benefits of a higher education to someone who PAYS for it, regardless of their status is wrong. A higher education is a pursute of happniess, right? The reason there are so many illegals are because non-immigrants (whites, citizens) dont’ want to do the jobs that the immigrants are doing. All in all, this country cannot function without immigrants. Imagine trying to legalize them before they got here? hahahah The task alone would paralyze this countries economy. Let me also remind you that many of the children of illegal immigrants are fighting for rights that they can’t secure for their native people. By that I mean that many minorities are fighting in the US Armed Forces. All in all, denying a higher education to a paying student is wrong. They can better themselves and the people around them. Let us also remind ourselves that the US was founded on immigrants (founding fathers) who illegally (fraudulently) took land from the natives. Ironic, right? Mexicans and others are NOT here to take land away from Americans. Most of them are conservative Catholics so Republicans, don’t turn your backs on your fellow conservatives.

By TR

September 14, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this

Take it from me, I live in California and we see it on a level you can only imagine in Georgia. Our hospitals are closing rapidly. Many of our public schools should be shut down. No matter what people say, there is only so much tax money. Illegals are breaking the back on an already sick camel out here. Let’s stop being politically correct and be legally correct. That goes for employers and illegals.

By BJT

September 14, 2005 02:50 PM | Link to this

Hey JHD, I agree Discrimination is discrimination but also remember Illegal is Illegal. If you want to call it Un-Documented thats fine but it still is what it is… Illegal!

By GRE

September 14, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

If someone has the drive to go to college, then they should have the drive to become LEGAL. Further, the illegals are messing up the American dream for everyone else because they are willing to work without the proper wages or benefits. If employers were forced to pay the proper benefits and wages, then maybe they would be more compelled to lobby for a more productive and efficient system, instead on relying on the illegals to do it. And is everyone forgetting the fact that this country survived for hundreds of years without the influx of such large numbers of illegals?

By Maddy

September 14, 2005 02:56 PM | Link to this

I think illegal should be allowed to enter colleges and uni’s. but they should be paying out of state fees. It is important that everyone recieves education. legal or illegal. It is not honorable to barr anyone from recieving educaiton. It will make our future safer and better.With educations you gain knowledge, and knowledge is power. Some of these third world countries have poor education systems, therefore all these wacky people that threathen our world today come from there. If all those people could have had proper and great education like we have in America, think our world will be safer. Again we should not stop ANYONE from getting education. Education is important to all humans, and should not be barred.

By GRE

September 14, 2005 02:56 PM | Link to this

Before I said this country lasted for hundreds of years without illegals, but scratch that. This country was built on the backs of SLAVES. Many of the illegals are forced into indentured servitude in order to pay off their coyotes. The illegals are taking us a step backwards, not pushing our economy forward.

By teacher

September 14, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this

Well, how do we stop the influx of illegals? I can’t believe it’s that easy to get here, but somehow it is. But I tell you, if American workers worked as hard, there wouldn’t be the competition in the labor force that exists right now. My best friend is a contractor who hires subs for jobs. He quit using many of his “American” crews because they kept demanding more money, more time-off with pay, longer lunches, etc.. They were breaking his back so he hired crews that would work for his terms (fair and within legal limits). And I don’t care what anyone says, if I am looking for work to be done and someone offers to do it well for less, I’m going with the lower bid. If labor unions in this country knew when enough was enough in salaries and would work for a reasonable wage instead of making companies pay full day pay for a half-day of work, then maybe the illegals wouldn’t find it so easy to get a job here.

By GRE

September 14, 2005 02:59 PM | Link to this

Before, I said this country lasted for hundreds of years without illegals, but scratch that. This country was built on the backs of SLAVES. Many of the illegals are forced into indentured servitude in order to pay off their coyotes. The illegals are taking us a step backwards, not pushing our economy forward.

By Mara

September 14, 2005 03:01 PM | Link to this

How did that myth that “illegals only take jobs that Americans don’t want”? There aren’t too many jobs out there like that. There’re a lot of jobs that Americans demand more money to do, but not too many that we don’t want. Perhaps what Saul meant that Americans don’t want to pick strawberries for $8/hour. That doesn’t mean that they don’t want to do it for $12/hour. The whole thing is a white-wash intended to portray Americans as unwilling to work, when the truth is that Americans are only unwilling to work for a pittance. And using the founding fathers as a comparison to illegal immigrants is just silly. The social and political norms of the 18th century are so wildly different from today that it’s just silly to try and compare. Somehow I don’t think that the native americans were terribly worried about whether or not one of the white men was going to blow up an entire village, nor can I picture an 18th century native worrying that the influx of Englishmen was going to keep him from being able to support his family. Silly, just silly.

By RF

September 14, 2005 03:07 PM | Link to this

Not that I like all the illegals coming here, but let’s face it, there’s a lesson to be learned here—competition. WE need to learn to compete with their labor ability and devotion so we can keep jobs from them. And I tell you, I’ve found the immigrants I’ve known and worked with to be hard-working people fiercely devoted to their families and the hope of prosperity. Some, I say SOME, have more ambition than most of us who take our lives and lifestyles for granted. Just because we are born here doesn’t entitle us to anything but the opportunity to pursue a life. Many of them are pursuing much harder than we are—wouldn’t be within union guidelines if we did…

By Mary

September 14, 2005 03:18 PM | Link to this

So, I guess we need to learn to me more competetive with all those in China and other third world countries too huh? Considering what the cost of living is for them compared to us, that whole, “learn to be competetive” thing is a wash. Most of what these people earn is sent back to their home countries. The US economy sees very little of it.

By carol

September 14, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this

teacher how can you say americans don’t work as hard as illegals; if you don’t fine, but I know I do and so does my family. My son works in construction and has gotten pushed out of work, he used to make $10 an hour but was undercut by illegals for $7 cash an hour. And he paid taxes!

By RF

September 14, 2005 03:32 PM | Link to this

And Carol, unless his employer wants to face federal charges, he’ll pay taxes on the $7 he’s paying the illegals. It’s not fair, but it’s hard for a business owner to turn down the competition. Construction doesn’t pay much even for experienced workers, and the profit margin is usually low for the individual contractors. To compete, they have to go with the cheapest labor force they can find. I hate that for your son and I’d definitely be checking to see if his employer is paying taxes. My friend does and only hires folks with ID so he can pay taxes. No SS#, no job with his company. But I can’t blame him for hiring as low as he can.

By NotMyProblem

September 14, 2005 03:34 PM | Link to this

I don’t begrudge anyone pursuing higher education, but if it comes down to allowing an illegal alien to enroll at the expense of having to reject an American citizen who also wants to pursue higher education, that’s just plain wrong, whether or not the illegal pays for it. We have rules, laws and procedures for becoming a citizen of this country, and if someone wants to adhere to those rules and laws, I fully support them. Coming here with a blatant disregard for our laws and way of life automatically makes them unwelcome in my eyes. I don’t care what country they’re from, what color they are or what language they speak. It’s criminal to sneak across America’s borders and they don’t deserve to have a place here.

By T.R.

September 14, 2005 03:59 PM | Link to this

“I am irate. Ignorance. If you ever deport all immigrants then the U.S. economy will suffer tremendously. I mean, really, constuction would halt and no one would cut your grass besides the local prison detail.”

SO UNTRUE. I am from the Midwest, where there is a nearly ZERO hispanic popluation - and guess what - legal, taxpaying citizens DO take these jobs, because the wages aren’t driven into the ground by people willing to work for pennies.

By Carl

September 14, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

If it were only a simple case of legal versus illegal. Preventing any and all illegals regardless of circumstances, like children of illegals that have grown up here most of their lives, from achieving a college education as punishment for being “illegal” can have unintended consequences must less appear morally reprehensible. While I hear people implore the cost illegals project onto the system, what do you think will happen when qualified illegals (particularly those children of illegals I noted previously) are denied a chance at higher education they can’t yet afford or because they are simply illegal? They aren’t magically going to go away. Our country, whether everyone here likes it or not, will continue to bare the burden of illegals no matter how tough or draconian our immigrant laws become (take a hint from the drug wars). Booting them out is the seemingly easy solution, but is it the right (smart)solution? This is not say we shouldn’t be enforcing existing immigration laws. But, by denying qualified illegal immigrant children a chance at a higher education, we exaserbate the problem rather than solve it. A college educated illegal immigrant who achieves legal status contingent upon a 4 year bachelor’s degree is far more able to repay the cost of his former status had through taxes on higher earnings, a productive job, community service, etc. Seems we need to pay more attention to the ramifications here rather than simply legal versus illegal.

By TOEPRO

September 14, 2005 04:35 PM | Link to this

The grammar on most of the posts, indicate how critical this funding is to Americans!

Wendy, I’m not “Sacred” of anyone! :)

By SnottyNozeBratt

September 14, 2005 04:45 PM | Link to this

I am a professional student in one of our state universities in the glorious state of Georgia.

I just wanted to mention that your TAX PAYER funded liberal state institutions are propounding the idea that just because a student is NOT from the states, why that makes them ever so much better a candidate for our institutions money and programs. Yes, it is quite difficult to take a class where your average american is not the monority.

This is usually known as social engineering. Interesting, it didn’t work for Stalin or Hitler, but heedless as to history….

The only issue I have with that is well, so much of it comes from Uncle Sam’s pockets. Or do I mean mine?

Oh, yes, the majority of the illegal aliens in the colleges come from wealthy families, the colleges get that money too.

f-you america courtesy of our state funded, higher education system.

I think all the- how did Wendy call them: “so called americans” should be happy-privileged even-to suffer financial deprivation in the form of higher taxes to educate the children of wealthy illegal immigrants. yes indeedy.

By SnottyNozeBratt

September 14, 2005 04:54 PM | Link to this

Hi Carl,

well, that still leaves the fact that students who are legal residents of the united states, whose parents pay property and income taxes. The same taxes the universities suck out of uncle sam - are denied enrollment. They universities practice social engineering and let me tell you it ain’t all about grades and “qualifications”

it’s gotten so competitive you can’t even get into the lowest schools - somebody ought to audit this. I think it be a real tax payer eye opener!

By SnottyNozeBratt

September 14, 2005 05:11 PM | Link to this

Fixing the situation -

Since there is no punishment for the people who come here illegally, the flood isn’t going to stop.

The only solution is to find the way to repair the tax structure and tax these people accordingly. Otherwise there will be no relief from the problems.

Dear Saul, I don’t think the drug dealing men- all 14 of them in a two bedroom apt. - across the street from Kennesaw State - the ones that caused me to have to send my daughter away - were church going conservatives. But you know what, I am probably guilty of not asking them.

But I don’t think it was the color of their skin that was the problem, in case I’m accused of prejudice. No, now that I think about it, I think it was the drug dealing. I’m almost sure of it.

By sherry huiner

September 15, 2005 08:26 AM | Link to this

I DON’T WANT TO COMMENT. I WANT TO EMAIL YOU ABOUT ANOTHER STORY

By mad

September 15, 2005 08:35 AM | Link to this

Illegal means just that. The illegal situation in Ga. is out of control. Ga. is already the butt of most education jokes in this country. Do you realize that the students who cannot comunicate in the english language still are required to take the same tests the the other students take WRITTEN IN ENGLISH that they cannot read and that their failing scores are included in the factoring of the overall test results for that school? Just because the illegal children are enrolled in school does not mean they learn english. The ones at my child’s school sit and take up space because there are not interpeters in each class because the school systems cannot afford it.

Dear Saul, My husband has worked in landscape for the last 32 years in the Atlanta area. In the 90’s the illegal imigrants literally swamped the area and the landscape job market. We had just bought our first house. He was a foreman and went from $15.00 per hour,company truck, and full benefits to unemployed inside of 1 year and could not find a job for more than $8.00 an hr. The jobs your illegals steal, and yes I do mean steal, are not jobs americans won’t do. They are the jobs the illegals have made it so that we legals can’t do. We, americans, now face discrimination from companies that face no legal retribution for their exploitation of illegals.

By Mad

September 15, 2005 08:40 AM | Link to this

I work with a churh that gives out donated goods to people with needs and overheard one of the illegals say to another that they did not wash the clothes that were donated to them. They just throw them away and come back next week for more.

By Patti

September 15, 2005 08:45 AM | Link to this

Hi Sherry, my e-mail address is pghezzi@ajc.com. I’m on vacation and will return to work on the 19th.

Patti

By lee

September 15, 2005 09:11 AM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants should be arrested and jailed until they can be returned to their native country. I know immigration officials don’t pick up one or two but the state should pass legislation that if you are here illegally and apply for any type benefits, aid, education , driver’s license, etc., you would be arrested on the spot and placed in jail. Taxpayers should not have to for the education and medical care for illegals. We have enough problems paying for the poor legals.

By Lori

September 15, 2005 09:17 AM | Link to this

Those of you who are so violently opposing education for undocumented individuals are in essence supporting the creation and perpetuation of a permanent underclass from which escape is/will be nearly impossible.

As so many astute posters have already noted, not all immigrants here illegally are brown-skinned, but they are the ones that are easier to identify as “different.” Do you have a problem with the Canadian that does your tech support? Of course you don’t — you have absolutely no idea that she’s here illegally. What all this hubbub stems from is little more than xenophobia.

A colleague of mine has an interesting quote on her office door: “Illegal immigration has always been a problem for this country. Ask any Native American.” I’ll bet that many of the people posting here are white, which of course means that their ancestors moved here, often bringing their families, and I dare to question how many of those ancestors obtained legal permission from those already living here.

By Joe

September 15, 2005 09:18 AM | Link to this

The state has a right to bar any illegal alien from college, but they should not. Let them go to college paying fees an out of state person pays and if that person graduates, automatic citizenship if they wish. The real problem is employers and you notice the legislators avoided that part. If you apply heavy fines or jail employers who hire illegal aliens, this problem goes away fast.

By Bobby

September 15, 2005 09:21 AM | Link to this

If it is ILLEGAL for them to be here, what part of SEND THEM BACK don’t you people understand. They get paid in CASH, Don’t pay taxes & SHOULD NOT be allowed to stay in the country or be freely educated at our expense. Why should we educate any of them? We have immagration laws for a reason.

By WENDY

September 15, 2005 09:27 AM | Link to this

I have read all the comments above and I can tell that most of the comments above are written by uneducated , low paying citizens who know nothing about how this country was founded. Amost every one that claims to be a citizen of this country fore fathers came from another country. Also, some of you need to keep quiet and research on this topic/issue before reply/talking on this issue. Saul Olvera-Rubio, M.Adkins , JHD and RF , MAY God bless you and proper yo. Atleast you know about the economy of this country. As a fellow american, I can tell you right now that with the illegigal immigrates this country would be nothing. They work hard and pay their taxes. Some so call amrican cannot work as hard as them. Please let this people be free and legalize them, by doing so adds more money to the economy. They pay ins for all their filings. Amost all the big firms are held by foreigners.

By LaTeekey

September 15, 2005 09:29 AM | Link to this

The word “ILLEGAL” means just that.

By Dick

September 15, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

Wendy; First you are incorrect in saying Americans do not take advantage of a free education. Education is not free. Second, I am not an uneducated nor low salary american. I have worked for what I have secured. My college was not paid for from the Hope plan. Third, illegal immigrants pay very little taxes, if any. Most of taxes paid are on beer sales and clothing. They do not own property, they have to keep a low profile as they may be sent back to country they came from. Fourth, ancestors were from foreign lands that is true, however, they became legal citizens and help support America. They bought land and paid taxes. They did not live off of the government on a daily bases. I pay $325.0 a month for health insurance, still have to pay 20% co insurance. They get free medical services. Fifth, did you know the people buying up all motels and 7-11 markets pay no income taxes first five years, borrow money from your goverment at 3% interest? So when I see an illegal immigrant gong to local tax office and paying up to $1,200.00 in property taxes, taking the time to become a legal resident, I will at that time change my mind as to how I feel about the dead beats coming into america.

By Jonanthan

September 15, 2005 10:31 AM | Link to this

All of the comments are not only uneducated, but completly racist. These topics that have been mentioned are all typical honkey opinions(I can say this I’m white). Everybody needs to stop dipping back into slavery times, and grow up. This Bill will cause all of the immigrants working for their citizenship in school right now to be deprived of a college education. Isn’t this America the home of the “free”. How are we free if people are still prisoners of old traditions?

By Wendy

September 15, 2005 10:34 AM | Link to this

Dick, if this people are still bothering you or my so called americans, why are the big firm taking the jos to overseas? That should be our main concerns not the aliens who are actually contributing to the economy of this country whether we like it or not. Is that also the aliens fault. We keep on blaming every thing on the aliens. I am an accountant and my husband an engineer, we have seen in our different walks of life those who are contributing and those who are not. We have being to almost different parts of the world and people say basically the same thing, americans are all the same . We tend to think about ourselves and not the other people. If you want the so call aliens to live this country, then I think that all the foreign firms should pack and live too and we would see how the economy of this country would go down The so call american good we produce in this country at a cheap price, we would see how far they go. No country is sufficient on its own without comparative advantage. I am not going to argue with anybody on this issue but do the research of what the economy of our country is based on before saying anything about this aliens. Live them alone and let them enjoy the free gift God has given us. I am White and my husband is black and we are proud of this country and what the govt is doing, the govt should legalize all this aliens.

By jon

September 15, 2005 10:47 AM | Link to this

the system is nothing but crap on how they receive everything that we have to pay for. Illegal Immigration must be booted quickly

By Heywood

September 15, 2005 10:51 AM | Link to this

Hmmmm, let’s think about that. ILLEGAL ALIENS with the opportunity to get an education at the taxpayer’s expense. Let’s answer that with a question Why not use the money and space to educate our own citizens first before trying to do what the illegal alien’s home country should be doing for them. So someone breaks the law to come to this country, doesn’t pay taxes (AND THEY DON’T) but we’re supposed to pay for their education on top of having to foot the bill for their medical care when we can’t get decent medical coverage ourselves?!?!? What’s wrong with this picture?

By Carolina

September 15, 2005 11:00 AM | Link to this

People have been complaining about immigrants not paying taxes, taking away college spots, and that they are tired of immigrants taking away jobs.

First off, illegal immigrants do pay taxes. They pay sales taxes, and like everyone else they have taxes taken out of their paychecks. To the people that complain about illegals taking jobs away from Americans: if Americans worked these “low class jobs” illegal immigrants wouldn’t be able to take them away.

Secondly, illegals have to pay tuition so the government/universities are not losing money over illegal immigrants. Many students have complained about losing a spot in college to an illegal. If your grades and SAT scores are better than those of the illegal students then you should have no problem getting admitted into a university.

Stop blaming your problems on illegal immigrants. Whether you like to admit it or not, illegal immigrants contribute a lot to our society. By passing this bill our economy will suffer greatly. P.S. “boarder” is spelled border.

By allie

September 15, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

It would be worthwhile to remember that although we do have to provide public education to students (even illegal) in K-12, we do not for higher education. Education is not a right and is not in the Constitution as such. It is purely a privilege. Therefore, I don’t care who you are – if you have the qualifications to get in and can do the work then you should be allowed to attend a university because it will actually help you and it isn’t a waste of time. If the student graduated from a Georgia college, then they should have residency tuition. It’s not about where your parents are from or if they are illegal – our country was populated by people with parents here from other countries. This was a majority even into the early 20th century. The whole thing goes back to the schools in general. If you aren’t being floated certain grades and then going to college (many times on HOPE until you lose it or fail out) then so much money would not have been wasted. It was a good program and I understand the need, but with it schools began competing on how many students received it and sending them off to colleges making admissions harder, overcrowding campuses, etc. and many times after a year or so once they lose it, they leave anyway. I know many people that were from other countries for whatever reason (some illegal, some not) typically work harder and actually retain things whereas many of these white kids that are now sent to college (and never would have before) go to socialize, don’t study and don’t retain what they should. That’s all I’m saying and yes, I am white and in college for the past 5 years so I have been around these people.

By Dick

September 15, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this

I never have been able to travel as muc as Wendy says she has, however, we have two different worlds in the State of Georgia. I am from south Georgia and our illegal immigrants are different. They do not pay taxes—they tell the employers, “not paid in cash”, we don’t work”. Employers have no choice if they want the work done. Our government has caused this to happen. They have made it very easy to draw disability, medicaid, unemployment, etc to survive. Most of the immigrants who pay taxes are not illegal, they are legal and have SS numbers. These will not be affected by the new laws. Our elected officials for years (both democratic and republican) have taught those who live in America, “don’t worry, we will take care of you from the cradle to the grave”. I will ask my political reps to support the bill as to illegal immigrants.

By Dick

September 15, 2005 12:51 PM | Link to this

Caroline; In reference to “low class jobs”, we have several illegal immigrants in our county who makes up to $300.00 per DAY picking squash. Paid in cash, no taxes, no withholding, no social security, and yet his family has found a loop hole were they are on medicaid.

By Mara

September 15, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this

from one of the uneducated posters to WENDY - (she posted this up-thread) “I have read all the comments above and I can tell that most of the comments above(<- redundant) are written by uneducated , low paying (did you mean low paid?) citizens who know nothing about how this country was founded. Amost every one (should be everyone) that (who) claims to be a citizen of this country (had)fore fathers (forefathers, no space between)(who) came from another country. Also, some of you need to keep quiet and research on (“on” not needed) this topic/issue before reply/talking (“reply” should be “relying”) on this issue. Saul Olvera-Rubio, M.Adkins , JHD and RF , MAY God bless you and proper yo. (prper yo? What’s that mean?)Atleast (need a space between “at” and “least”)you know about the economy of this country. As a fellow american, I can tell you right now that with (should be without)the illegigal (illegigal? giggle!) immigrates (immigrates?)this country would be nothing. They work hard and pay their taxes. Some so call (did you mean so-called?) amrican (amrican?)cannot work as hard as them (they do). Please let this (these?)people be free and legalize them, by (by is unneeded)doing so adds more money to the economy. They pay ins (ins?)for all their filings. Amost all the big firms are held by foreigners.”

When implying that people who disagree with you are uneducated and impoverished, you should always make sure that you don’t appear more ignorant than they. FYI- our forefathers weren’t illegal immigrants simply because there was no law against them settling here. No law, no law-breaking, Get it? We have immigration laws now, hence the “law-breakers”.

By Wendy

September 15, 2005 02:30 PM | Link to this

I really like this topic. Thanks to all the people who support educating the illegal aliens as long as they pay their way through school.And as mentioned above, if our kids are doing well in school, the so called aliens would not be taking their spaces. Let’s move on to another topic please. To all my fellow americans, let’s me kind with people of other nationalite

By Heywood

September 15, 2005 02:35 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry to say that I completely disagree with anyone who claims that illegal aliens pay their fairshare of taxes. While yes they pay sales tax like the rest of us but they do not pay property taxes that fund school systems but do overcrowd the systems with their children that forces us to pay more for special programs to teach english. Illegal aliens in general do not pay income taxes on their paycheck as Caroline suggested because the majority of the illegal aliens are daylaborers who are paid in cash illegally by their employers otherwise they’d be required to have an SSN or federal tax ID. In addition, illegal aliens do not otherwise contribute to unemployment, medicare, social security or other social programs designed for citizens of this country however illegal aliens seek medial care at emergency rooms and hospitials that have now been allowed to bill the federal government for expenses related to care for illegals. Illegal aliens are allowed to attend public schools and universities here in the US at government expense and some have even been allowed to attend using grants and even the HOPE scholarships that are supposedly only afforded to legal residents of the state. If you think that’s fair then go ask any foreign national who is here legally and attends any public university in the state of Georgia who has to pay out-of-state tuition and see what they have to say about the fact that illegal aliens are allowed to attend as residents. While you’re at it, go downtown and ask all of the people who are standing in line at the federal building seeking a work visa, green card or to be naturalized citizens and see if they think it is fair! If you think that it’s fair for an illegal alien to be afforded the same rights as a legal citizen then why don’t you run on down to Mexico or any other country in the world and see if you can get away with the same thing there? Most liklely you’ll be deported which is what we should do to illegal aliens and send their home country a bill instead of accepting their citizenry and then exporting US jobs to their country.

The US economy will not fail if we send all of these people home as some would suggest. So what if some rich white guy has to cut his own grass and tend to his own landscaping or clean his own pool. Then they would have to pay fair market value for those services rather than paying minimum wage to an illegal who won’t complain.

By UNITY

September 15, 2005 03:36 PM | Link to this

You people are funny for arguing about this. You have no control. The US is becoming more international each day. Accept it. Stop worrying about your pocket books. Be glad you have food, shelter and loved ones. GO FALCONS!

By Legal Immigrant

September 15, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

I am a Canadian-born U.S. Permanent Resident (with a green card) who has been living in the U.S. for about 20 years. My parents saw no reason to avoid the “red tape” that comes with attempting to move into this country. We initially lived in D.C. and I was instilled with a love for this country and patriotism from a very young age. I am married to an American. I have had a job where I have paid taxes since I was 15. I attended Georgia high schools (legally) and attended UGA on the Hope scholarship. I have been waiting for five years for my citizenship paperwork to go through. It’s not that hard.

Yes, it is frustrating to have to take half a day off of work in order to go down to INS and stand in line all day in order to keep my paperwork straight. However, it is worth it in order for me to stay LEGAL and make my contribution to the country that I call home. I can’t vote, because I’m not an American citizen yet, nor should I be able to. I have worked hard to get where I am today and expect my neighbor to do the same whether he be from this country or another. I can’t afford to pay for his house too. I’m not sitting in the lap of luxury. I’m trying to figure out how we’re going to pay our bills when I am out of work when my twins get here in a month or so. Nobody is paying my medical bills, I am inelligible for social security, we are inelligible for PeachCare, and we are both hard working contributing members to the American economy. Legally. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

The initial question of whether illegal immigrants should be granted in-state tuition is ludicrous to me. Of course not. I suppose I should be prepared to be called racist.

By ADL

September 15, 2005 04:41 PM | Link to this

Wendy,

Please put the bottle down and step away from the keyboard.

By ee

September 16, 2005 09:13 AM | Link to this

All this comments are making me sick. I understand your anger against illegal inmigrants, but lets realize they are no inmigrants… it’s just illegal aliens… The paperwork to come here legally is ridiculous, expensive and takes long long time even if you do everything perfect. How about the foreigners working here Legally and are paying 30% of their salary in taxes for services that they will not even use??? because they are not even accepted to be inmigrants?

By M

September 16, 2005 09:15 AM | Link to this

Illegals should not be allowed to attend schools, go to hospitals unless they pay in full or get drivers licenses or any other form of identification that would suggest they are legal citizens! Illegals are criminals and should be arrested and deported immediately! Their children born here should not be automatically granted US citizenship! I have no problem with legal immigration as long as the socialist and those with a socialist agenda do not push their agenda by allowing only Hispanics, Blacks, or other minorities just to change the makeup of our populations! There is no way that Caucasians will be less than 50% of the population in 50 years without these “adjustments” in how we let people into the USA! Caucasians becoming less than 50% is no problem as long as it occurs through normal changes in population trends and not be artificial means of selected and illegal immigration!!!!

By David200

September 16, 2005 09:18 AM | Link to this

People,

According to law, public schools (K-12) MUST accept ALL students for a “free and appropriate” education regardless or their parent’s status. This is not up to the local or state authorities. The only way to overturn this is for the Congress to pass a law FORBIDDING this. They won’t. We are beating a dead horse here. I don’t like it any better than you, but until we take back Congress from special interest groups (yeah, right, like that’s gonna happen), this will continue.

On the other hand, The State of Georgia sets the criteria for entry into higher education. We KNOW the State of Georgia legislators. We can contact them straight up. The State of Georgia subsidizes a portion of their citizens’ post-public school education. I won’t criticize that. That’s probably a good taxpayer expense. If there are any positions available AFTER all the citizens of the State of Georgia are served, I see no problem with allowing citizens of other States of the Union to apply. They should, however, have to pay higher tuition. I have no problem subsidizing Georgia’s citizens; I have a BIG problem subsidizing OTHER States’ citizens. Let their citizens subsidize them if they want to, just not ME and my fellow citizens of Georgia! After all the USA citizens are served, I think we should allow LEGAL aliens to enter the State of Georgia’s universities, but they must pay full tuition, too. If their countries want to subsidize them, fine. Once agin, don’t ask for me to subsidize them when they’ll go right back to their country and make money for them! I don’t think there would be any more openings at our Universities left after that. The University of Georgia have to turn away our citizens now. The rejected citizens of Georgia then have to accept a position at the smaller campuses, and so on. This would solve the problem of illegial aliens trying to have the taxpayers of a state pay for additional undeserved (taxpayer funded) schooling.

By CAP

September 16, 2005 09:41 AM | Link to this

Let’s review some facts:

Fact: The August unemployment rate in the US was 4.9% according to the U.S. Department of Labor. (http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LNS14000000) This is virtually no unemployment.

Fact: According to the US Census the US population is aging. That means more retirees and fewer workers to support them. As the baby boomers get older, they will require more workers to continue to support them. Ever heard of the social security crises?

Fact: No matter what anyone else has said, there is absolutely no way the US can afford to maintain our high standard of living without,illegal immigrants. They aren’t taking jobs away from anyone. At 4.9% unemployment, we are virtually fully employed. That is one of the lowest unemployment rates in the history of this country. So in fact illegal immigrants are taking jobs that would remain unfilled. Unless, we are willing to pay a lot more for a loaf of bread, a home, a night in a hotel, our carpeting, our produce, the chicken we eat, the lawn services we use, then we need to have more workers in this country.

The problem with illegal immigration is that politics have not kept up with economic realities. Ask employers and they will tell you they have no choice in hiring, because no one will apply for those jobs.

As we all move into our retirement phase, more and more we will depend on illegal workers to fund our retirements. That said, don’t we all want them to be more educated so that we don’t have to continue to work until we are 80 years old.

Finally, I know a very bright young lady, who came to this county as a very young girl. She attended a local high school where she graduated near the top of her class. She is currently attending a university in Georgia on a full scholarship (one she didn’t take away from a citizen). She is studying hard to be the best she can be. What do we tell her? Quit, go get a job making beds at a hotel or gutting chickens in Gainesville. Stop trying to improve your life and go back to a country you don’t know because your parents came here to work. Give me a break. Most of you should re-read your bible. So much for christian compassion. You don’t hurt these kids’ parents by not letting their children go to college. In the long run, you hurt yourself.

By BOSTON

September 16, 2005 10:04 AM | Link to this

This is easy. If you are CURRENTLY ACTING UNLAWFULLY in the United States, you should be arrested.

That goes for schools, drugs, child porn, rape, automatic weapons, WHATEVER. There is no “part two” where it can be determined “now that you ARE acting unlawful, lets see what kind of taxpayer benefits you should receive.”

By Jolene

September 16, 2005 11:27 AM | Link to this

Well, y’all, I now live in California and you would be surprised how they handle this out here! In California, if you are an illegal immigrant you get a DISCOUNT off of the in-state tuition fees. A discount! Of course, California also gives ILLEGAL immigrants cars, driver’s lisences, pulic education and medical care. At least we don’t have any humidity…

By David200

September 16, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this

Cap, I could argue your “facts,’ but I will concede your “facts� about the unemployment because they are irrelevant to the discussion. The “facts� are: more workers are working longer hours for lower pay because illegal immigrants can replace them if they do not. And no, the cost of bread won’t rise because most of the cost of bread is in the manufacturing process – hardly any labor at all – it’s all machinery. If the cost of wheat doubled, the cost of a loaf of bread would hardly rise at all. And no, the cost of a home will not rise because of competition. Builders are making an enormous profit on homes now simply because they charge market prices and are using extremely cheap labor. Wages are too low now, and USA citizens work longer hours than most of the rest of the world, and all of this is moot anyway. The facts are: these people are here illegally; your “bright, young lady� IS taking a scholarship away from a GEORGIA CITIZEN. Those “full scholarships� cost REAL MONEY. Someone pays for them. They are competitively given and funded by someone or something. The school just doesn’t decide to give its education away for free. As Robert Heinlein said many years ago, TANSTAAFL - There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Someone is paying for your “bright young lady’s� scholarship. If your “bright young lady� had not won the scholarship, some GEORGIA CITIZEN would have gotten it. The “fact� your “bright young lady� is smarter than a Georgia CITIZEN is irrelevant. I’m sure some German kid who started school at 4 and was made to learn instead of being socially promoted could score even higher. If he came over here and won a scholarship, I’d be just as upset. Georgia CITIZENS are subsidizing the schools of higher education in GEORGIA.

And before you start, I don’t think she should be forced to work cutting up chickens for the rest of her life. I think your “bright young lady� and her parents need to be deported back to Mexico so she can go to Mexican schools and get a Mexican scholarship to the University of Mexico and makes oodles of money in MEXICO!!.

By CAP

September 16, 2005 04:19 PM | Link to this

David200,

The young lady is on a scholarship provided by a organzation that is providing the scholarship specifically to illegal workers. As such she is not taking that scholarship from a citizen.

The facts are not mine, their our governments. Argue them all you want.

Home prices have steadily increased even though there are more home builders now than probably ever before. The competition argument doesn’t hold water. Even one of the builders would be paying hire wages so all of them would have to raise their prices. Samething would apply no matter what industry you want to talk about. I concede the bread part, I was using it as a metaphor for agricultural products in general.

As I said the problem with immigration is that politics have not kept up with simple economic reality. Our country has created a system that relies on illegals and yet wants them to have nothing. So far we’ve had our cake and eaten too. We need real immigration policies that allow American businesses to hire the workers they need while letting those workers be treated like human beings.

If you want to stop illegal immigration, fine and imprison American Companies that hire them. If we did that, there would be no more problems. However, we haven’t done that because it would ruin the economy. Look at Senator Saxby Chamblis. While a representative in South Georgia, Senator Chamblis wrote a letter to INS to complain about the immigration raids that had taken place on the farms in South Georgia. It was bad for business. Was then, is now, will always be!

By 5145

September 20, 2005 05:16 PM | Link to this

So lets get this straight:

Illegal is OK, as long as the person “works hard”.

By that definition, the average drug dealer should get a pass because he “works hard”?

By Cynthia

September 27, 2005 03:45 PM | Link to this

I see GA is having the same qualms about illegal immigration as Arizona. I moved here recently from Phoenix and its amazing how people try to defend living in a country ILLEGALY! No one is trying to kick out people who are not natives but if businesses/governments or whoever keep allowing exceptions to the rule then we will never rid this country of the illegal immigration problem. any time you can come to this country and get free benefits w/o even showing proof of citizenship is ridiculous.

By Cynthia

September 27, 2005 03:55 PM | Link to this

Teacher: The US is quick to make allowances for people in other countries and yet don’t do enough for the people who are actually citizens in this country. Coming here to work is one thing. Coming here working, while your spouse obtains free benefits b/c her child is born here is crazy. You think Mexico would accept you w/ open arms? I don’t think so.