Get Schooled

By DLebaron

August 22, 2005 01:47 PM | Link to this

There are many ways you could look at this. First of all, there is a huge irony in this story becuase there are already organizations at many colleges that are supposed to help black men and women thrive and achieve — the Black Greek Letter Organizations. Is the implementation of this program a stark indication of how these organizations have failed? But that is a question for another day.

I admire the effort and thought that went into this program, but I have a problem with the fact that these young men are not put into the classroom with white students. I succeeded in integrated classrooms because I was never taught that my race would restrict my ability to process information given to me by a teacher. While the teachers and the students were of different colors, the EDUCATION was colorless.

I do hope that it works, however, for their benefit. If it keeps them from falling through the cracks, it cannot be a bad thing.

By slim1975

August 22, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

DLebaron - these students classrooms are ingerated. They are grouped together in dorm rooms and they share similar class schedules. This is done to replace the lack of support from home. Like the article says, majority of these students come from single family homes with no previous family history of college graduates. As for the differences with other, )organizations in particular Greeks) there’s no monetary qualifications or interview to pass to be accepted. I think it’s a great idea!

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 22, 2005 02:12 PM | Link to this

To really be successful, a program needs to be created for elementary – high school.

I do NOT believe that black men should be separated in a class setting, but I do understand the need to bring them closer. It’s very hard being in the minority and being a “minority�, in any situation and I speak from experience.

I believe that if the process starts in elementary school and continue through out high school, many of the young black men will succeed in college. A program in elementary school will increase the number of black men attending colleges and universities, with a greater chance of graduating.

By Trayce Anderson

August 22, 2005 02:25 PM | Link to this

Being from an African American family I believe I can tell you what we need. First of all Grandad,Uncles and male cousins need to step in when the fathers do not. Every male that my father showed an interest in and gave guiidance too has excelled. He just didn’t look out for his own 2 sons. It takes a village to raise a child is even more true in these difficult days for all children. Also parents have a tendency to make daughters be responsible have cerfews, do chores, cook while the sons have no responsiblity. All this done in the name of not making him a “punk.” This kind of upbringing will make a young boy think that he has to do nothing, that somebody else will take care of everything.

By Kim

August 22, 2005 02:37 PM | Link to this

I think this is a great idea. A program such as this gives these young men some accountable. If the program works the way it should, then the guys will hold each other accountable.It is very difficult to face your peers knowing you haven’t kept your commitment. If a student has support from peers, then he or she is likely to be more successful. College is very challenging if you are alone and have no support. These young men should consider themselves fortunate to have this support system. I wish them all the best!

By SoundsRacist

August 22, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this

Why only Blacks? What about Asian minorities, Hispanics, Native Americans. Why is the Black the community the only minority community deemed worthy or needy of special programs? I’m not black - but I think I would get tired of everybody thinking I couldn’t do things on my own - that I always need a helping hand, because I was poor or raised by a single mom and I have no support! People of all races and cultures experience poverty and unwed mothers, are trailer parks better than the hood? Are their parents more educated? Whatever happened to being individual and getting ahead regardless of race or background.

By James McCoy

August 22, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this

Well the post above said it might sound racist with what he said. It was more like stupid,then racist everyone in this society who needs a helping hand should be extended one. We spend billions of dollars every single day liberating people in Iraq who don’t want to be liberated and this jack-o-lantern is worried because Black Men are trying to better them selves. White folks in this country don’t seem to have a problem when we put our lives on the line in the military do they?

By Lashay

August 22, 2005 04:02 PM | Link to this

The title could use some tweeking—no offense but I don’t see a “crisis” in helping Black Males excel in education—how’s “Strategic Learning for Black Males?” Seperation is not the issue and it’s not happening in the classroom, just a dorm hallway and when you think about it, most dorms have almost entire floors dedicated to one ethnicity. This is a great idea and why it hasn’t happened sooner, especially at UGA, is a mystery to me especially on the heels of the Board of Regents “Black Male Initiative.” This seems like a sincere effort to help increase the miniscule numbers of Black Males enrolled in Georgia Colleges. I’ve heard the success stories of other college communities and I suggest that follow-up on the success of this program at U of West GA is given in a year or two so that other institutions of higher ed. in GA will follow suit. KUDOS West GA.

By SoundsRacist

August 22, 2005 04:07 PM | Link to this

Are black man trying to better themselves? The key word is THEMSELVES, doesn’t seem that way does it. And I believe white people also lay their life on the line, as do hispanics, and asians, etc.etc. Where are their support systems and private dorms. Why do you devalue the hard work of poor white people who work hard and make it to the top. It reminds me of the old saturday night live skit where Eddie Murphy gets on a bus dressed as a white man and when the sole black man gets off a big party ensues, as if white people have a secret society where they always hook other whites up.

By Shell

August 22, 2005 04:09 PM | Link to this

The crisis in the black community is caused primarily by one reason, Black parents raised their daughters and spoil their sons. This is generational problem which needs to be solved. Black parents give their sons way too many material things rather than emotional support or love. Boys in the black community or spoil, trust me I know I have male and female nephew and cousins. 95% of the girls went and graduated from college, while 95% of the boys have criminal records. Blacks it’s all on you.

By Lafessa

August 22, 2005 04:25 PM | Link to this

The fact is that ovr 60% of black children are born to single mothers. With those types of numbers it is easy to see why black children do not strive the highest levels.

Remember Eddie Murphy’s movie…Trading Places? It has to do with environment. The person that noted above that this sort of program is needed very early on is correct.

Drive through any housing project that is primarily black and see what kind of animal is hanging out on the streets. No job, no skills, no desire. This is what our black youth see day in day out.

We have got to get rid of this element. Do away with public housing. Do away with welfare. In less than 15 years we will solve many of the problems we now have. People rise to the highest level when they are challanged.

PS…..To my black brothers and sisters….quit naming your children unheard of names. If you want them to excell swallow that stupid pride and attitude and pick names like John, Martin, Susie, Patricia, etc. Take my name….with all due respect to my mother….what type of name is Lafessa? Do you think anyone looks at my resume and thinks…..oh, there’s one we really need to interview? NOPE

By Roston

August 22, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

James….get over yourself. SoundsRacist made a great point. I am black and I am sick and tired of being lumped into the category of “needs help”. Well, no thanks, I can and will do it on my own.

I do not need the Rev. J.J. parading himself around in his $1500 suits crying foul everytime someone black gets into trouble. We need more leaders like Powell and Rice. in the black community. For too many years we have been following idiots who only want to use us to make money to buy them nice things.

Wake up black men of America. There is no such thing as “African American”. I was born in North Carolina and I am an American and I can compete with anyone, any race, any religion, any gender. Just give me an equal playing field.

By FreeWoman

August 22, 2005 04:47 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand what the problem is. Unless I didn’t read this correctly, this is a volunteer based initiative made up of Black Men to help other Black Men. This does happen on other campuses, without the specific title. I say kudos to those upperclassmen helping their fellow man.

Most college campuses have freshmen orientation and mentors. This just sounds like an extension of that because the college sees a problem with the retention of Black men.

And to Roston, what you’re asking for in regards to “Just give me an equal playing field.” is what we all ask. What’s wrong with this program? If a young brother at a school is in search of and wants help, what’s wrong with giving it to them? In my school, we found that most women related to other college women as mentors better. Same for men. As a Black woman, I can’t give a young black man the same strength and insight as a young college black man can. That’s what I see happening with this program.

Once again, I ask what is the problem? If this program will retain more students, help them excel and matriculate, why all this rhetoric about everything else?

You also mention Rice and Powell in your post (which I wonder why is included in this discussion) but if you look at this program, I see good leaders on that campus that our community is in need of.

By FreeWoman

August 22, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this

Just wanted to note, that like the other poster, I too do not like the title of this blog. But it did get me to read the blog which I guess is the goal.

By James McCoy

August 22, 2005 05:25 PM | Link to this

Roston you sound like a liberated Republican so I’ll take your suggestion with many grains of salt. No one is talking welfare here,we are talking about extending a helping hand. And what does being from North Carolina have to do with the price of tea in China?

By gracia carroll

August 23, 2005 08:37 AM | Link to this

Congratulations to West Georgia and Said Sewell. It’s a great idea. Continue with your program. Results will make you proud. We need more programs to motivate our young people. As suggeted earlier, it can begin in elementary school. Thanks for helping our at risk students. It has nothing to do with separating races but preventing panhandling.

By Gene Phillips

August 23, 2005 09:21 AM | Link to this

The premise of this learning-community program is that black males are academically and socially challenged, and that is why they elect not to attend college. They need special help which can best be provided by other blacks. Enrollment rates of African American males has been a sore spot for the University System of Georgia for years, and the response has been to create a number of politically-correct initiatives that apparently have not worked. The problem might be that the University System is not relevant to young African-American males, and political correctness run amok will not make it so.

Contrary to the article, the program at West Georgia is not the first of its kind in the state. It existed in the past under the title, “Racial Segregation.”

By David

August 23, 2005 09:27 AM | Link to this

Racial profiling is what this appears to be…for years the government said there was no difference between races…we all knew there was…I think this is a bunch of garbage….when these graduate will they be given just blacks to work with or to supervise….get real.

By TiredofbeingSeparated

August 23, 2005 10:13 AM | Link to this

Ok all the comments are very interesting However I feel that its great what West Georgia have done Im a black male myself and i think that no matter what we as black people will always see race as a factor its our mentality.Because honestly alot of things are kept quite white people have their all white groups and its nothing said but when we do it, its a problem but thats my point its problem tired of seeing segregation. Im also on my way back to college and if i need a study group i would like it to be divided among all race because when it all boils down its up to the individual to succeed i dont agree with the seperation but everything else is ok…

By Anita

August 23, 2005 10:40 AM | Link to this

On leveling playing fields:

This term has always bugged me, and now I know why. The goal is not to level the playing field—that would necessarily mean flattening the field so that all can compete. But that’s not what we do. The field is there. It is what it is. We don’t control the field.

Instead, we try to bring individuals onto the playing field. That’s what a program like this one does. This program takes those who desire a spot in the game and tailors itself to their needs, shoring these students up so that they can compete on the field. Think of it as targeted academic conditioning.

To those who insist on seeing this program as racist: Is it possible that you would be up in arms if the story had been about how black males were being turned away from jobs/schools in droves because they couldn’t match the skills of those who were accepted? Something tells me that’s likely the case…

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 23, 2005 11:21 AM | Link to this

I’ll start by saying, “ you reap what you sow�! Or in some cases you are now reaping what your ancestors sowed long ago.

Many black people were surviving and the communities were doing great before 1955, except for one “BIG� problem. We were not “ALLOWED� to work, teach, attend school, buy, sell, live, sit, etc… in public places. Yes, it has been 50 years since 1955. However, those practices were in place twice as long and for all the wrong reasons. They were passed into law and many black people suffered because of those laws. Not only that, they could not “Vote� against the laws that were used against them.

No one in my family has ever lived on welfare or any other government program, nor do they live in the “Projects�. However, several were accepted into state universities during the late 60’s and early 70’s. No one should have gone through the things they went through, just to attend a non-private university. If not, for some of the programs in place for minorities, not one of them would have been allowed to attend the state universities in the south.

Now I’ll spring forward to 2005 and it’s been 30, 40, 50 years since the struggle for “True� equality has began. The only thing that can be done is to “Educate� young black people, especially young black males. However, even with an education, many will still have to work hard to get their foot in the door at the same level as whites.

FYI…. many blacks are not looking for welfare, handouts, or favors - just an opportunity. I’m in a position to help with that opportunity and have been working very hard to pass the torch. I hope that in the next century and definitely before that time comes, to see black people in a better position in this country.

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

My question to some of the non-Black posters who think this is racial profiling, etc. If you’re a student at a university and you see that your fellow non-Black students are in need of help. What would you do? Would you give them a hand or tell them that they were on their own?

How is this program racist? Even in today’s business world many people of all etnicities have mentors who give advice and help. Let’s not be naive people.

Be honest. Look at the people that you go to for advice in mentoring back when you were in school and in your life today. Ask yourself this question, does that person look like you?

By Claude

August 23, 2005 12:04 PM | Link to this

What does color have to do with graduating? Desire and perseverance by definition DO NOT mention color?

By Joe

August 23, 2005 12:18 PM | Link to this

Blacks need to wake up and smell the coffee. There are now more programs than ever to help them succeed in school and in life. It’s all about the lack of role models that they have. They look to Rappers and Pro Athletes. And also, give your kids some names that people can pronounce. NO COMPANY wants to interview Shaniquia ect…..

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 23, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

Claude,

Color does not have anything to do with graduating. Many african-american males who attend black universities do graduate. Morehouse is a great example. However, at black universities the women still outnumber the men. My initial statements were to start a program at the elementary school level.

However, most of the people on this blog would not want a program at that level also.

Life Example: if a white person helps another “white” person to get into a company it is called “networking”. No one else was even given the opportunity to apply for the position, because they like to keep it in the family. I see it everyday and you get extra points on your application, just for the referral.

Now that “Networking” is the key to getting the better paid positions, blacks are learning to “Network” more. Networking can be used and is used as a form of discrimination at all level of the corporate world. But, it’s considered GOOD Business, as was the Jim Crow laws.

By Claude

August 23, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

yes? what is up with the special names with strange spelling? Seems that character should be more important than a unique name. Like,….Claude? there are just not enough of us out there anymore, Hmmm? oh well

By Rashad

August 23, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

First, I would like to commend Univesity of West Georgia and Dr. Said Sewell. I think it is a wonderful program. I am always amazed when individuals complain when African Americans are perceived as being lazy and then complain when African Americans are doing a great work. Please build a bridge and get over it.
Secondly,I was sitting in this class last week and we were asked to read an article about Affirmative Action and the recent University of Michigan case. While reading the article something hit me. Affirmative Action is not for students of color necessarily. What I mean is…the university presidents and lawyers who were arguing for Affirmative Action were not arguing for Affirmative Action because it gave access to those who were historically denied access, but rather they argued the merits of Affirmative Action because of the quality of interactions and learning that having a diverse student body population bring. In other words; “A classroom that does not have a significant representation from members of different races produces and impoverished discussion.� Those are the words of UM President Lee Bollinger. The Association of American Universities stated: “We speak first and foremost as educators. We believe that OUR students benefit significantly from education that takes place in a diverse setting.� The OUR they are talking about is not students of color. In fact, what they are arguing and other proponents of Affirmative Action is that having a diverse student body helps OUR (majority whites students) learn better and equip them with the skills to work in a diverse workforce. Affirmative Action seems to be created so white kids have the opportunity to meet and interact with students of color. Shouldn’t Affirmative Action be about giving access to those who historically were denied access? Shouldn’t Affirmative Action be about ensuring that qualified students of color are not denied access to higher education even though they are fully qualified? If universities focused their attention on the failing K-12 school systems in schools that surround their universities, then maybe we could get somewhere. I feel bamboozled because I always though universities presidents who preached diversity did so because they wanted to see the have nots obtain access, but all along, they preach diversity so their majority population of their student body has experience with diverse populations. It is like students of color are being used as teaching tools for the majority students.

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 23, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Joe:

Discrimination by “name” is still discrimination. I don’t like the name Joe, but that is what my grandmother called my father. That doesn’t mean Joe can’t do the job he was hired to do.

If Shaniqua is qualified for the position, what does her name have to do with anything. Open up you mind people.

We need more black role models and that’s why this program to help black males adjust and make it through college is a good start.

From a woman with a very common name……..

By Claude

August 23, 2005 12:57 PM | Link to this

Amazed, I see where you are coming from you have good points. I studied some programs (during my masters) I think that are active right now in Rome city schools that are segregated by color. I think the programs are successful; I am guilty of not keeping up with the stats. I am not sure how that will work out in the future, I wonder if taxpayers will go for that? Hmm? I did not read any of the blogs (yours either) I just know that college (A good one) will keep you so busy that race is not a factor in graduation. YOU GROW UP, YOU FOCUS AND PERSEVERE, OUTSIDE OF THAT, COME ON??? I graduated with several black men. They struggled along beside me through my bachelors as well as Masters degree. We did not have a mentor. Hard work pays off, that has nothing to do with color…anymore. I rarely have known of anyone that offered real help to someone unless it somehow helped him or her. I think you have confused networking with the good ol’ boy system. I think that is how many incompetent people are screwing up businesses and education everywhere.

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this

I see no one has answered my very simple question.

By Jeffrey

August 23, 2005 01:09 PM | Link to this

I think the program is a great thing. I do not feel it discrimantes against any race. I am a white male and we have had these type of programs before and nobody pays attention because these are white men. Now that it’s a program for African American men people want to complain and say it’s racist. That’s a bunch of junk. It’s a great program that I hope more African American men will be a part of. Until people are able to look past the color of the skin this world we live in will not get any better. We are all the same but if we looked all the same boy life sure would be boring. That’s my two cents worth.

By Cristal

August 23, 2005 01:14 PM | Link to this

Claude,

Just out of curiosity, why didn’t you have a mentor? Was it because you didn’t think you needed one? Or, did you not see anyone on your campus that could serve in that role?

I was a college mentor and I didn’t benefit monetarily or get course credit. It was a part of my responsibilities as a college leader and something I enjoyed doing. So I’m puzzled as to why your words towards mentoring or any “help” have a negative tint to it. As if any help negates hard work in some way.

By Another Joe

August 23, 2005 01:16 PM | Link to this

It is a good idea if their intent is to create good PR. If you want to be on an equal playing field, you have to play on that field and not one that is biased to help you win. As far as the names go, I am forever glad that my mother gave us generic names because some of these parents give their kids names that no one other than the parent can pronounce. It takes the children a year or two just to learn to spell their given names which could take time from learning what they need to learn in the classroom. That theory is not proven, it was only intended as a bad joke.

By claude

August 23, 2005 01:16 PM | Link to this

Freewoman: I answer to my maker, therefore I try to help everyone that is not able to help themselves. I did everything the hard way while in college. I sought no ones advice. I do not care about color too much as long as I am not given a valid reason to question someones integrity and character. That is not right, but what is?

By Claude

August 23, 2005 01:24 PM | Link to this

The program was just not offered at my school, plus I am old compared to you I bet. I did not intend a negative tint in anything except “good ol boy” systems. It could be a great program I guess, But it should not be according to color.

By James McCoy

August 23, 2005 01:42 PM | Link to this

Claude:please get real, color does matter,can you honestly say that you have never experience any discrimination because of your enthic background? I’m assuming you are a person of color. If would be wonderful if people weren’t judged by their ethnicity but it is what it is.

By Royston

August 23, 2005 01:43 PM | Link to this

James Mcoy wrote:

“And what does being from North Carolina have to do with the price of tea in China?”

I do not know since I never brought up the subject of tea in China.

Seems like the truth hurts. Something we in the black community like to shy away from.

And for the record…I am a Libiterian and vote how I want to…not how someone tells me to. Many could learn from this. If blacks want to follow some “group” it surely should not be the Democats. Wise up.

By James McCoy

August 23, 2005 01:50 PM | Link to this

I’ll pray for you Royston because I can tell from your posting that you have no ideal what time it is. But I wish you well out there in your LA LA land of thinking. Maybe you need to get burned one or two times to wake you up from your fanasty of being on the Cosby Show.

By Lafessa

August 23, 2005 01:53 PM | Link to this

Amazed (Ind. Women)….Get real. This is the year 2005. Be honest. What has the black community done with the opprotunities our grandparents gave to them in the long fight for equality. The answer….very little. No longer can you balme “whitey”. “Whitey” has bent over backwards to do their part. And what have many in the black community done with this opportunity….Squat. If your house and neighborhood is run down….FIX IT. If your schools are failing…FIX IT. For once look in the mirror and see the enemy within. It ain’t “Whitey” no more. It is the leaders of the balck community that make their living off crying “racism” at every turn. Get real. The opportunity is there. What you do with it is your business.

Look at what the Hispanics have accomplished in less than 20 years. They own their own shops, stores, businesses,….their children take advantage of the free education…..learn and repeat. Quit hating everyone else and take care of yourself.

By Lafessa

August 23, 2005 01:59 PM | Link to this

“We need more black role models”

I say bull to that. Look what happens when we do get great role models like Powell and Rice and Thomas….the black leaders run them into the ground because they are not black enough. If we want to run someone out of town I will help buy the ticket for J.J. Al Sharpton, and the rest of the self proclaimed black leaders. What have these people ever accomplished in their life? Yet they will not support Rice, Powell, Thomas, etc……very dishonest.

By claude

August 23, 2005 01:59 PM | Link to this

James, I am as white as rice when I have not been in the sun. But I do have a variety of colored freckles that make me cute and kind of a mix of everyone out there. I am aware of discrimination, I can not help ignorance and fear. Neither can you. What does any of this have to do with hard work and peserverance and college graduation?my angry brother from another mother?

By Claude

August 23, 2005 02:02 PM | Link to this

Lafessa! are you married? wow. Do you like freckles?

By A BLACK WOMAN

August 23, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

I just want to say that what Lafeesa said about names is right. Amazed, you a right it shouldn’t matter, but it does. I worked at a Medical office, and a black girl broght in her resume, at first they were all interested talking about sending her resume to an office that needs her kind of work. Then they seen her name and changed their mind. By the way her name was Shaquetta. As a black woman I was offened so I faxed off her resume anyway. Whether she got the job I don’t know but I gave her an opportunity. So parents you really need to think about the names you give your kids. I did and my kids names a great and they can either use their first or middle name. But about the program, I think that it’s a great thing.

By Claude

August 23, 2005 02:18 PM | Link to this

wait! I am, nevermind

By GETREAL

August 23, 2005 02:42 PM | Link to this

Upon birth white people are bestowed with mentors and promised good jobs from whites in their network. Why did I even bother to go get a BA and MA? If someone would have told me about this sooner, I would have walked into any office and said, “hey buddy I’m white” and been hooked up with a corner office with a view! Again explain the difference between a white kid from a rural trailer park and black kid from the inner city? What advantage does the dirt poor white kid have? Oh, they’ll let him fill the milkshake machine, why the black kid has to make the fries!

By Mick

August 23, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this

Yikes!, I am white, I wanna hook up too, I want someone to hold my hand and tell me what I should do too. I want one of these mentors everyone is crying foul about! I need a “Shaquandrialistacia” as well, I know she represent the company well.

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 03:02 PM | Link to this

Some of you are going off on a tangent. I still don’t see anything wrong with this. The university saw a need and put a plan in place. I think we all need to be concerned that these students have avenues in place in order to help them be successful. Instead, we’re rambling on about negatives in the Black community when this particular topic is discussing a great initiative that is aimed towards helping Black male students.

Most colleges have mentoring programs. I think because this is a black program targeting black students on a majority campus, people raise issue.

Let’s see what type of results come from this before we brand this as something not needed.

By Gracia Carroll

August 23, 2005 03:02 PM | Link to this

It is so sad that so many of you missed the whole point of the program/project designed to help some male students stay in and graduate from collge. Please do not allow negative opinions cause you to think your idea is worthless. It is quite worthwhile. Why can’t you read this is not a race issue.All of us need all the help we can get. The students in the program, hats off to you. Keep striving!

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 03:07 PM | Link to this

Mick, your comment is just plain ignorant. I can see you having a problem if this was a paid job asking for more money from the university to help these students … but it’s not. From the story, unless I am incorrect, this program is a volunteer program. Why do you have a problem with it? Nothing is being handed out or hooked up but education and an ability to be able to have someone to guide them in the right direction while at the university.

I say if a student of any color is asking for help, then help them. College costs too much money nowadays for people to fail. If there are programs in place to help any student, they would be a fool not to take it.

By Mick

August 23, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this

whoa! this is about “Helping Black Men Graduate from College” did you read the title of this “Get Schooled”? Why does it have to be black men, what is going on? why does anyone need that much help? College is not meant for everyone, do the research! College weeds out the people that did not need to be there in the first place. It is called standards! I am not saying That anyone in particular by race or ethnicity or econimical background do not need to be there (but some idiot will think so, just wait for it!) BUT college is tough, those who want it GET IT! those who do not, don’t. There is nothing wrong with that either. Do not try and sell me on a “color” needing help or a mentor.

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this

Lafessa, you must understand, that we as a people are not monolithic. I take what these so called Black leaders speak at face value. If you are for the upliftment and forward movement of my people then you have my support … until you disappoint me or betray my trust.

There are many ways of getting us to that point. For complex issues such as economic status, gender discrimination, racial biases and quotas, health issues, education, etc, there are no easy answers. There is no ONE right way of fixing these problems, so instead of blindly criticizing new programs we need to see how this affects us. Positive? Negative? Then proceed from there. But to blatantly knock programs such as this I think does a great disservice to what these young men are trying to accomplish.

By MMM

August 23, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this

and they ask if HBCU’s are still needed?

By Mick

August 23, 2005 03:22 PM | Link to this

okay you are right. Volunteer all you want! cook for them too, buy’em some clothes, help them dress! I do not care. It probably will be a good thing for someone. It would be great for someone new to America! And you could sell them on becoming a democrat too! mad now? tee-hee

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 23, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this

Lafessa, The problem is with people who think that all Blacks follow and do not know how to think for themselves. I am an example of the “American Dream”, college educated, registered voter, home owner, retirement planned and ready, thriving community, honor roll child, etc…….. Extemely happy black woman and looking to make the most of every opportunity.

I could care less about Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Collin or Condi…..

But, I know what my grandparents went through so that my mother and father could receive college educations and not just at black universities. I know that my mother and father struggled after college to excel in their careers, because people still did not want to hire blacks or promote them into upper management positions. I know that in 1990, when I graduated from highschool, blacks were very rare in our state universities and still are in many today.

I’ve been called acting “white” and so has my daughter. I don’t agree with 98% of what the Republican or 75% of what the Democratic party pushes to the majority as a whole. This entire country has an “It’s all about me” attitude, but “I’m still a christian”.

And “A Black Woman”, I know that people are discriminated upon because of their name. I have seen it in my place of employment as well. It doesn’t make it right and I know you can’t change some peoples perception of who you are, because of your name. Resumes are also put aside because of where you live, because criminal areas are also identifiable. I guess you had better make sure you live in the right neighborhood. I DO.

By claude

August 23, 2005 03:32 PM | Link to this

This thing has gotten silly, but I am liking what “Amazed” is saying.

By NotMyProblem

August 23, 2005 03:34 PM | Link to this

My issue isn’t with this program, which I happen to think is a positive thing. It’s that it is aimed exclusively at black men, rather than being all inclusive to ALL people who need mentoring and help with direction in college. Why is it okay to exclude all other races? There are men of all colors that struggle in college, so why can’t it include them? And if diversity in colleges is so important, why don’t we ever see any effort on the part of Clark University or Moorehouse or Spelman to increase their white enrollment? I don’t object to programs designed to help people achieve, but they should not be to the exclusion of other races or people. Then it’s nothing but yet another double standard of special treatment for minorities.

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 03:37 PM | Link to this

Mick, I’m not a democrat. I don’t like my views being labeled this or that. Nor do I like joking about things of this nature. It’s serious to someone out there, and for me or you to make light of it is a bit disrespectful. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Not trying to get you to change your opinion, just trying to get to you see why programs such as these are important.

True, college is not meant for everyone. And ususally those that are not ready drop out. But if you don’t understand how many people may need help, then I don’t know what to say. There are people out that there are scared or ashamed to ask for help, and that shouldn’t stop them from being successful.

I wonder if all of those white and asian PHD candidates who killed themselves after their dissertations didn’t need help at one point. I forget the college, but the suicide rate was pretty high. Stress is on all levels. Overcoming failure or different obstacles are difficult as well. Having someone to help those in need is never a bad idea.

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this

NotMyProblem, I see what you are saying, but this is a volunteer based program. From my understanding, it started with a faculty member who was concerned with black male enrollment. He then created this network of black males to help other black males.

I’m pretty sure that like most universities, this college has a formal tutoring, mentoring, and guidance program. That would have been nice to read in this article to ensure that balance does live at this particular school.

As far as Spelman and Morehouse, those colleges were built to ensure that blacks were afforded opportunities for higher learning, yet they do not exclude. But their main focus is black people. Just like historically, white universities focuses mainly on the education of white people and excluded blacks from enrollment. I know my HBCU recruited white students. The majority on scholarships. Some were able to stay others left. Probably due to the same issues blacks at major univerisites have. They didn’t identify with the college or it’s students.

Would a program such as this have helped them? Maybe, maybe not. Would I be against a program like this at an HBCU to help non-Black students? No, I wouldn’t.

By DB

August 23, 2005 03:50 PM | Link to this

Freewoman: No, the person I go to for advice is the person I think will help me the most, and it has nothing to do with color! If the person is purple and the most helpful, I’ll ask the purple person. And the people I help are the people that ask, and I don’t care what color they are.

Roston: Excellent points!

By DB

August 23, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this

Lafessa: Good points.

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 23, 2005 03:56 PM | Link to this

NotMyProblem,

Whites are free to enroll at any historically black university in this country, no one would ever say otherwise. I think it would be a great experience. There are lot’s of other minorities at these universities.

But I had to laugh at your statements because of situations I have encounterin the past two years: 1. I had the opportunity to go with my “white” coworkers to an Atlanta Beat soccer game a few years ago at Morris Brown College. They did not want to go because of the location. I was given all the tickets and I went with my friends.

I think the white enrollment is low because of the negative stereotypes of black people. We are not all out to rob, kill or be friend you. I’m just making fun…..

If the white enrollment at black universities increased, I think it would be great.

By Gracia Carroll

August 23, 2005 04:00 PM | Link to this

So many of you need to go back and read the article again. Get the true picture of the program and the benefits it offer to students.

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

DB,thanks for answering my question. I was asking because in the article they spoke to how the volunteers of the program and the participants each had similar circumstances. That’s why I posed it to the group.

Plus, I know from past experiences that even though I was the most skilled at a subject, people didn’t want my help because I was Black and/or a woman. Not making that up. I wish it didn’t happen, but such is life.

I used to be upset about it, but I had to understand that in order to help someone you have to have their trust. And if they felt more comfortable with someone else then more power to them.

By FreeWoman

August 23, 2005 04:10 PM | Link to this

AmazedWoman, do you feel as if you’re talking to yourself? LOL

By James McCoy

August 23, 2005 04:15 PM | Link to this

Patti G. I see that you changed the title to this thread,but good subject wished it could have been more indepth for the folks who seem not to have a clue.

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 23, 2005 04:25 PM | Link to this

FreeWoman,

Not at all, I love to hear myself talk.

The next time we are on business in “Utah”, I’m going to demand we get a hotel in the “hood”. LOL

I don’t think I will get any objections being we will be in Salt Lake City and not Baltimore.

Peace, I’m out for today…..

By Cornelia

August 23, 2005 04:33 PM | Link to this

To SoundsRacist, it would be an excellent idea for other groups to have this opportunity, but at this time it is needed more for black male students. So stop hating. I wish the project well. All students should have all the tools they need to succeed.

By SET

August 23, 2005 05:21 PM | Link to this

Is part of this problem the fact that only one in six blacks has an IQ equal to the white average? - See the Book “The Bell Curve”. Males are more aggressive than females. It’s no surprise that there are as few black males in college - and so many in prisons and mental institutions.

You can’t expect college work from an IQ of 85. (US Black Average) Scores that low can’t graduate from a decent High School either.

There is some support for the belief that the genetic IQ disparity is made worse by blacks low rate of breast feeding and early nutrition problems generally. Attention there would pay off.

Current law forbids IQ testing of blacks (not whites and others). If schools could locate the higher IQ black males they could be pushed into academics and supported against those who hold them back (other black “friends” and family). You can’t save everyone. We need to locate and support those relatively few blacks who can make it in demanding academic fields. End affirmative action in academics and resume IQ testing! (Which is done at the outset for entrance and placement by the US Military and the NFL)

Those who are not college material need to be into vocational training by 14 while they can still become a productive adult. Keeping them in the current schools is a disaster for everyone.

It will be interesting to see the response to this comment. Don’t blame the messenger - deal with the problem. If you doubt the racial differences in IQ start internet researching that subject. I didn’t invent it. And intelligence alone doesn’t guarantee happiness. But banging the head’s of black males against an (academic) brick wall makes everybody upset. Deal with it.

By Claude

August 24, 2005 09:43 AM | Link to this

Tell it all, Tell it all, OH MY GOODNESS! bring it, to the table My response: You are saying what others that know ARE afraid to say

By Lafessa

August 24, 2005 10:00 AM | Link to this

“The problem is with people who think that all Blacks follow and do not know how to think for themselves.”

No spin here. Just check the numbers. Which ethnic group has the lowest grades in school? Which ethnic group makes the lowest wages? Which ethnic group has the highest rate of crimes committeed? Which ethnic group cries and belly aches the most for special treatment? Etc. Etc. Etc.

I am not here to argue. Facts are facts. We blacks are the reason why we in the black community can not get ahead. Listen to Bill Cosby…he speaks the truth and the black community can not stand the truth. Thats all I am saying.

By Richard

August 24, 2005 10:08 AM | Link to this

“Just like historically, white universities focuses mainly on the education of white people and excluded blacks from enrollment. I know my HBCU recruited white students.”

This is EXACTLY what Lafessa has been saying. Quit blaming others for your failure.

Where’s Bill O when you need him. Thats a spin if I ever heard one. Ever heard of “affirmitive action”? Sorry, but no one is buying the statement that colleges discriminate based on color. Heck, they fall all over themselves to get qualified black students. But no college wants someone with an SAT score of 750.

By A BLACK WOMAN

August 24, 2005 10:12 AM | Link to this

Amazed I didn’t say that it was right. I said that, that’s what happens and it does. Most people aren’t going to change so you have to work around it. You said that you are living the “American Dream” well how’s “American Dream” is it? That’s not my “American Dream”.

Thanks for sharing!!!!

By claude

August 24, 2005 10:20 AM | Link to this

Lafessa and Richard, Where were you yesterday! when there were so many ding dongs here blabbering and sniffling oh we are just mistreated and so on and so on? Lafessa I know you were here, but not early enough! you would have just made many angry and they would have probably not posted. Bill Cosby is laying it out there and no one wants to hear it. HEY! HEY! HEY!

By AVoiceNYoHead

August 24, 2005 10:23 AM | Link to this

SET give me a break! What is your IQ? Your ignorant comments leave me no choice but to assume it is less than 20 which classifies you as an idiot. (See for yourself— http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/IQBasics.html) Maybe you are not ignorant- just naive. “The Bell Curve”, one of the most poorly researched publications of fiction in print, is a narrative co-authored by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray. Dr. Murray has a PhD in POLITICAL SCIENCE and no formal education in statistics or psychometrics. The authors use statistics and psychomertrics to support the book’s “hypotheses”. Richard Herrnstein died before the book was published. So the only defender of this “book” is its under-educated co-author. The research community has denounced the book. I quote Anthropology Professor Dr. Michael Nunley of the Univeristy of Oklahoma who wrote:

“I believe this book is a fraud, that its authors must have known it was a fraud when they were writing it, and that Charles Murray must still know it’s a fraud as he goes around defending it. […] After careful reading, I cannot believe its authors were not acutely aware of […] how they were distorting the material they did include.”

Professor Leon J. Kamin, stated that the book did “a disservice to and abuse of science.” Professor Howard Gardner (who, like Kamin and some of the other critics, holds views which are criticized by Herrnstein and Murray) called the style of thought “scholarly brinkmanship”:

“Whether concerning an issue of science, policy, or rhetoric, the authors come dangerously close to embracing the most extreme positions, yet in the end shy away from doing so. Discussing scientific work on intelligence, they never quite say that intelligence is all important and tied to one’s genes; yet they signal that this is their belief and that readers ought to embrace the same conclusions.”

Thomas Sowell, a staunch conservative columnist, claimed that the authors ignored data and failed to draw obvious conclusions from it that would have hurt their argument. He also complains that the authors completely ignore multicollinearity which could well explain away much of the correlations in the book.

What disturbs me most SET is that you are espousing the beliefs of a book that you yourself have not taken the time to read. You have not provided a shred of information or reference to backup your statements. Your comments are heresy. Show me the law that forbids IQ testing of blacks. Where is your reference. You don’t have one.

Furthermore, in terms of genetic disparities between blacks and other ethnic groups, the first known human remains in the world came from AFRICA. Her name is Lucy and she is a black woman. Any intelligent anthropoligist will inform you that civilization began in AFRICA. SET, you are descended from AFRICANS. You are descended form BLACK PEOPLE. EEEKK….LOL! Evreybody is descended from Black people. According to you, it is safe to assume that everybody has a low IQ.

By your comments, it is safe to assume that you “think” all other ethnic groups are better fit to survive in society than black people. SET please understand that poverty, disease, “miseducation”, ignorance and all other vices plague the lives of all people regardless of race, econimic status and political affiliation.

Tell me what you do for a living and your level of education. It better be good.

You say don’t blame the messenger. You my friend are no Paul Revere. Do some research and come holler at me.

WORKS CITED

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheBellCurve

By WEaretheALPHAandtheOMEGA

August 24, 2005 10:28 AM | Link to this

SET, Your comments are both asinine and defective. A good rule of thumb is to research an issue or body of work before citing it as your point of reference and further displaying YOUR lack of intelligence. SET, exactly where are you getting the data that states that it is illegal to test the IQ of blacks and not others? Certain “IQ” tests were given to black people, once upon a time, when they were attempting to register to vote. A process and priviledge that is/was their basic human right. These official IQ tests consisted of questions such as “How many bubbles are in a bar of soap?” and “Look at this jar of pennies, how many pennies are in the jar?” There were also such fair and riveting questions like “How many blades of grass are in one acre of land?” etc. The lucky “contestant” who answered these questions, and many others, correctly was one step closer to securing his/her right to vote. This genre of “IQ testing” was made illegal to ALL individuals after we fought long and hard to move steps closer to securing our civil rights.

I remember time and again being tested, every year, in school, right along side my white, Latino, Asian, and East Indian classmates. So your theory on this ghost law that prohibits IQ testing is ignorant and you have supplied to evidence or research to support it. Without the scientific, mathematic, architectural, and aesthetic contributions that YOUR black ancestors made to this world and American society, you wouldn’t even have a pot to p** in or a window to throw it out of (as my forefathers would say). The state of Georgia was started as a PENAL COLONY. This land we live on today was once just a place to house the low life criminals and poor white trash that Britain did not want. That’s what YOUR most recent forefathers had to contributed to this society.

Only time will tell whether or not this program will be beneficial to its eligible students. I think what this all boils down to is for centuries, white America was afforded the luxury of being first in line and one up on people of color in this country—no matter how poor, ignorant, or low class some our white brethren may have been. Poor white trash got treated like social outcasts, just like us, by more affluent whites but at the end of the day, there was always that contentment among them in knowing that they didn’t have it as bad as some of the black people in this country. But now, white america feels that less and less is being implemented to cater to them and their needs, so they must oppose, protest, and reject any and everything that is designed to build yet another, LONG OVERDUE, bridge to black America. With the realization that mathematics, astronomy and the influence for Western medicine began in Africa, one would think you would be a little less inclined to make snap judgements about the supposed lack of intelligence of black males. Considering that Hippocrates derived his teachings, beliefs, and what would later bcome the Hippocratic oath for medical practicioners from the teachings of the great AFRICAN scientist, Imhotep, you’d think one, such as yourself, would be quick to research a blanket statement before posting it, like a badge of ignorance.

By Kimberlee

August 24, 2005 10:34 AM | Link to this

I would like to commend those individuals that saw the need for such a program. I truly believe that we are our brother’s keeper and programs that provide guidence and mentoring for young males make a difference in their lives. However, this reader did find some of the comments made on this blog rather disturbing. All societal problems belong to the human race. When we debate about whose problem it is we are missing valuable time and energy that could be spent on finding a solution to the problem. The issue at hand is not whether or not blacks receive too much assistance or more assitance than other races. The issue is why are blacks always holding up the bottom when we analyze critical issues that effect our society as a whole when we have been here longer than any other minority race. Clearly there is a problem. I can only attribute this disparity to the fact that African-Americans never had the same opportunity to succeed as do Asians, Hispanics, etc. We were bought here in shackles, the other minority races chose to come. We were torn away from our families, our language, we were raped, and we were stripped of our sense of self and our pride. This is the reason why the African-American race needs so much assistance.

By Karen Armsby

August 24, 2005 10:42 AM | Link to this

Here’s a Georgia Tech article about the success of black engineering students at an intown Atlanta university some have labled “white.” FYI

Tech is Top Producer of African-American Engineers ATLANTA (July 18, 2005) � Georgia Tech is the top producer of African-American engineering graduates at both the undergraduate and master’s degree levels, according to rankings from Black Issues in Higher Education magazine’s annual college rankings report.

Tech was ranked No. 1 in Baccalaureate degrees awarded to African-American engineering students for the 2003-2004 school year with 126 degrees, up from No. 2 last year. Tech remained on top for master’s degrees awarded to African-American students in engineering, rising to 34 degrees from 31 the previous school year.

Other top five bachelor degree producers include No. 2 North Carolina A&T State University with 110 degrees awarded; No. 3 Tennessee State University with 102; No. 4 Florida A&M University with 81; and No. 5 North Carolina State University at Raleigh with 79.

In engineering Ph.D. degrees awarded to African-American students during the 2003-2004 school year, Tech rose to No. 1, up 700 percent to 16 graduates from 2 graduates the previous school year.

“These rankings confirm Georgia Tech’s strong commitment to attracting and graduating minority students in engineering and science,� said Georgia Tech President Wayne Clough. “Given the growing need in our state and around the nation for talented citizens, we are proud of Georgia Tech’s role as a national leader in creating and maintaining a supportive educational environment for minority students.�

Considered by Georgia Tech to be an important tool to measure the success of campus diversity endeavors, the Black Issues rankings underscore Tech’s efforts to create a diverse campus through strong recruitment and retention practices, rather than relying on quotas to boost minority enrollment.

One of Tech’s most successful minority recruitment projects is FOCUS, an annual event designed to attract the country’s finest minority undergraduates to its graduate programs. Each year, African-American students from more than 80 colleges and universities across the nation attend the three-day series of lectures, tours, panel discussions and social events. The event, which is held annually during the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday, is now in its 15th year.

In addition, Georgia Tech has a solid relationship with the historically-black institutions in the Atlanta area that make up the Atlanta University Center, Clark Atlanta University, Morehouse College, Morris Brown College, Spelman College, Morehouse School of Medicine and the Interdenominational Theological Center.

Black Issues, a publication that covers minorities in American higher education, used statistics collected by the U.S. Department of Education to compile the rankings edition. The special report identifies the top 100 minority degree producers among institutions of higher education and is the only national report of U.S. colleges and universities awarding degrees to African-American, Latino, Asian-American and Native-American students.

The report was released as a two-part series spotlighting undergraduate and graduate statistics. Graduate and professional degree statistics appear in the July 14 edition of Black Issues. Undergraduate statistics were released in the magazine’s June 2 edition.

The Georgia Institute of Technology is one of the nation’s premiere research universities. Ranked among U.S. News & World Report’s top 10 public universities, Georgia Tech educates more than 16,000 students every year through its Colleges of Architecture, Computing, Engineering, Liberal Arts, Management and Sciences. Tech maintains a diverse campus and is among the nation’s top producers of women and African-American engineers. The Institute offers research opportunities to both undergraduate and graduate students and is home to more than 100 interdisciplinary units plus the Georgia Tech Research Institute. During the 2003-2004 academic year, Georgia Tech reached $341.9 million in new research award funding.

By WEaretheALPHAandtheOMEGA

August 24, 2005 10:46 AM | Link to this

Claude, Lafessa (if that’s your real name) and Richard sweeties, I actually commend Bill Cosby for saying what we all already knew. I felt that the backlash he received was from that old school of thought that you don’t talk about ‘family business inthe street.’ I feel most people were appalled at his comments because he brought our issues within our own communities to the forefront. But I am sick and tired of my fellow black people quoting Bill Cosby and bringing him into every conversation about black culture and the current black lifestyle like he is the Pope and end-all authority on blackness and black people. This is the same man who repeatedly cheated on his faithful black wife with white trash. Instead of quoting The Cos like he’s Moses or the Messiah, how about taking it upon ourselves to LEAD BY EXAMPLE and be a positive addition to OUR culture. It’s so easy to go on and on referring to something some famous guy said while complaining about this and griping about that. But when are you gonna stop comp,aining about the state of your neighborhood, other black neighborhoods, black society, and black schools and actually DO SOMETHING? When Cosby got in those public forums and went off, he wasn’t just saying it to be saying it—complaining just for the fun of it; he was DOING SOMETHING (in addition to all that he had already done). But make no mistakes about it, it seems that today most of us would rather place all of our belief and hope into man..especially a man or person, not ourselves, so that we don’t have to take on that pressure and responsibility of actually living up to what we profess to believe. Don’t talk about it, be about it. As my grandma used to say “be mindful of who you make your heroes. Just because they flash a smile and say what you want to hear, doesn’t make them worth admiring.”

By Claude

August 24, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this

WEaretheALPHAandtheOMEGA if that is YOUR real name or not, You are right. So is your Grandmother. Now, have a pudding pop, and chill. I thought it was cool “Bill” was saying the things that the rest of the world was afraid to say.

By FreeWoman

August 24, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Who is blaming anyone else for the failure of blacks?? I can only speak for myself, but I didn’t say that. Nor do I buy into it. It seems as if you don’t agree with certain posters automatically assumptions are made. Reading is fundamental people. Everyone is posting on other issues besides this one regarding this initiative.

By Mellllll2

August 24, 2005 12:35 PM | Link to this

If it works than it’s worth it. Let’s face reality, life is not fair when you compare White America to Black America.

On another note, lets quit blaming all the black men for not stepping in a being good role models. What about the women? They need to take some responsibility also for decisions they make. They’re letting themselves get pregnant by these guys.

By BLK Male

August 24, 2005 01:00 PM | Link to this

This bothers me, this article or program feeds into the stereotype that we need something just to keep up. This doesn’t help change the way some people feel about African Americans being a race of people needing charity. Although meant to help the program is misguided. I’m sure there are programs for students whose parents are in the war and programs for single moms at other schools. But I dispute the thinking that these guys will not make it or fall by the way side. Fact: There were over 20,000 African Americans enrolled in the states historically black colleges and univ. in 2004. I’m sure some of these guys have similar backgrounds as the ones in the story. I’m all for (student support services) no matter what the organization or ethnic back gound is, I have a problem with the underlying tone that these guys don’t have a chance without someones help, after all they’ve gotten this far.

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 24, 2005 01:11 PM | Link to this

I love Bill, but all I’m saying is that you should find a better example, than Bill Cosby.

“Blacks can not stand the Truth”. Ha.Ha.Ha.

The Truth has set me free, because my parents passed it onto me.

I have lived and I have learned.

By WEaretheALPHAandtheOMEGA

August 24, 2005 01:12 PM | Link to this

Claude, As my Cos related post stated in the beginning, I was never opposed to what he said or did. So re-read that post and refresh your memory. What I did say, basically is: ‘okay, so you’ve got problems with things going on in YOUR culture, what are you going to do about it? What’s going to be your contribution to your people, other than pointless rhetoric?” and yes, I’m a black woman, so that is my real name.

By Lafessa

August 24, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this

“Lafessa (if that’s your real name)”

Are you making fun of my name?

See, this is what I have to endure. So tell us Alha and Omega…what is your name?

By WEaretheALPHAandtheOMEGA

August 24, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

Lafessa, I was just wondering if that was your real name. No offense, but it didn’t sound like an actual name. I was wondering if it was just a mixture of Felicia, vanessa and a name that began with ‘La’. As someone who works in the public eye and closely with the local government, my name is my business, but rest assured, it is beautiful, sister. :-) And no, that was not an implication that yours is not. Just tooting my own horn. As my grandma would say “tis a poor frog who doesn’t praise his own pond..”

By Blk College Grad

August 24, 2005 01:31 PM | Link to this

The problem of our race and America’s understanding of us is one in the same. My skin and heritage binds me to other brothers and sisters, but our experiences may be very different. My parents are married, both sets of my grand-parents were married, and college educated. It is ignorant for anyone black or white to assume that I must be a certain way or have gone through certain things bcuz of my skin tone. We all come from all different walks of life and have different up bringing. I’m one of five kids of which all have attended college. My parents weren’t rich they just didn’t raise us poorly. Am I an anomaly, no; I know plenty of other kids with the same experience, we’re all still black the last time I checked. Our experinces don’t make us black our heritage does. It’s sad that the definition of black has been distorted through the years. I come from a rich heritage, that hasn’t seen the insides of “Uncle Sam’s” ghettos. My grandfather graduated Magna Cum Laude from Sav. State. In retrospect I graduated college with guys from single parent homes, and they are not exceptions to the rule either. We need to understand that some people will excel and others won’t. African Americans (we) have a unique sense of togetherness, which also can be a curse.

By Dan

August 24, 2005 01:34 PM | Link to this

Now I don’t intend this to be an attacking post but this just seems to me another good example of contradictory liberal thought. Often we here of reasons for failure being the society people grow up in, surrounded by bad role models and submitting to peer pressure, chastised for “acting white”. We also hear calls to diversify, and the claim that it is not evening out inequalities but in the name of enriching experience and achieving greater understanding. Wouldn’t promoting black male students liveing together contradict the supposed reasons for failure and for success that are so often cited. Doesn’t this compel more segregation and less diversity? I am not saying yeah or nay to such an idea and I certainly haven’t mentioned all of the issues involved, but it has gotten to the point that public figures< administrators or pols, cannot even consider speaking against such a plan for fear of the race card being played

By Dan

August 24, 2005 01:47 PM | Link to this

Blk College Grad I hear you, but it does swing both ways. I grew up in an NY ethnic ghetto (irish) my parents and 6 kids in a two bedroom apt. One brother in and out of a hospital most of his school years Dad worked 2 jobs We did manage to move out of the city when I was 10 but that just gave dad a 60 mile commute and helped to make room for 2 grandmothers to join us in the 4 br 1.5 bath house Myself and 2 siblings finished college by working at the same time the others had some college and now have good jobs all own houses and we all worked for every penny we have. I wouldn’t trade a minute of it. But we are considered privledged and I am sure people who see me in my SUV think rich white guy probably got money from his parents. The fact is there are more poor whites than poor minorities (obviously not % wise) The point is just like one shouldn’t assume a black person was raised in a poor broken crime ridden home one shouldn’t assume a white person had an easy road

By Blk College Grad

August 24, 2005 01:48 PM | Link to this

To those of you who have a problem with the program being tailored to blk men you are small minded. There are numerous STUDENT SUPPORT SERVICES on college campuses. Please read and understand these programs range from Baptist Student Unions to the one talked about in the article. Stop trying to make everything so negative. There are Korean Student alliances, COSA (Carribean Oriented Student Alliances) and numerous other organization designed to ease the transition and make sure students of whatever background are informed and have the proper use of resources, this program is no different. You can tell that the people who think it is discriminatory bcuz it targets black men have never been to college. How would I look joining the Korean Student Alliance, as a non-Korean. I sure there are programs out there for everyone and if not you’re always free to start your own group.

By Lafessa

August 24, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

” but all I’m saying is that you should find a better example, than Bill Cosby.”

No ones perfect. If you know of a better example please share. All Bill did was get an education and make millions. He was just saying that if you do not get educated, do not learn proper English, wear your pants down to your knees so your underware shows…and spend more money on basketball shoes than you do on books….you are going to fail and it will be no bodies fault but yours. What Bill does in his private life is og no concern….people are trying to shoot the messenger and are closing their ears to the message.

Over 50% of black children are born out of wedlock. I blame both the male and the female for that. You change that fact and you will see a stronger black community.

“What’s going to be your contribution to your people, other than pointless rhetoric?â€?

Bill Cosby does lead by example. As I noted above he got educated and “learnt” to speak English. Cosby has also donated and raised millions for black intercity youth. What has JJ done? (Not saying you support JJ.)

By Blk College Grad

August 24, 2005 01:57 PM | Link to this

That’s my point exactly Dan. There are really no assumptions to be made on either end. That’a a Utopian idea, here in America the birth place of “race and color”, but we all come from different backgounds and walks of life. You should take a person at face value, but this society still plays the race card from a media and corporate stand point. It’s especially evident in marketing….

By Tiff

August 24, 2005 02:14 PM | Link to this

I agree totally with the program and I also agree that other minority groups could benefit from a program with the same purpose. However, as was stated earlier, an African American male member of the faculty started the organization. Who is saying that a faculty/student of another ethnicity cannot do the same? I don’t think that all African Americans need help such as these individuals but there are some that do, so why deny them an opportunity to take advantage of something like this? There are minorities that are perfectly capable to handle college on there own, but again that is not everyone. Even those in the minority may struggle. Stop being upset at the program for existing, and , if you want something like it, get started. Afterall, who is stopping you?

By Blk college Grad

August 24, 2005 02:19 PM | Link to this

Who came up with the notion that the black race needs saving ? This feeds in to that vacuum that We’re all alike. Oddly enough the media and the government seem to get a kick out of releasing arbitrary stats about blacks. Ask yourself why, we only make up 13% of the population and everywhere you look someone telling you about you. Let’s dis-spell this myth how many people can you fit into a so called ghetto. I willing to bet out of the population of 20,000 blks only 1,000 or 5% live in the ghetto. Again ask yourself where is the other 19,000 we never here about. Evidently not in the ghetto. Back on the subject, actually why is this article even news-worthy???? Some invisible force keeps pushing the notion that we need all of the help in the world. Another rebuttal the Univ. System of GA is trying to increase enrollment in its system, as I stated earlier 2004 black college enrollment totaled 21,000 in 2004 that’s more than GA Tech’s 16,000. What is the problem??? Let’s be really honest do they really care if the blk male enrollment increases at UGA. I think not, the historically black universities are doing fine. The Univ. system schools are not seeing the faces their, but go to Sav, Albany, Fort Valley and the AUC and they are their. Reports must also be telling them that The best and brightest blacks males are leaving the state, or going to HBCU’s. Why else would they care, hell you have to have 1350 to get into UGA the pride of the system. It only takes one reverse discrim. lawsuit to send the message that you’re not wanted here…unless you play ball.

By SET

August 24, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this

I really enjoyed the responses to my 1st posting re:The Bell Curve. Especially somebody yelling “heresy”. Just what I expected. Truth hurts.

Here’s my point. People with low IQ can’t be expected to do college level work and should be into vocational training early so they can become skilled labor instead of prison inmates. Regardless of why, the current population of US blacks generally have lower IQ than other races, say Hispanics for example. We need to work on infant nutrition if that will help. And avoiding crack babies is good also.

If something isn’t done to locate and support the 1 out of 6 blacks with IQs at or above the white average (Who may not have fathers or other normal support systems) the race will lose a lot more than all the housekeeping jobs in LA to the Mexicans.

Whites may have an advantage on IQ and Nobel prizes but they are politically weak as a group and will allow themselves to be overrun by others.

When Hispanics and Asians finish coming to power - see Orange County and Los Angeles in California - there will be no mercy, no welfare, and no affirmative action for blacks.

Time is running out for Blacks as a protected group. Chemotherapy is coming. The race had better toughen up and that means learning how to produce. There needs to be an emphasis on locating and sending forward the best, and not forcing colleges to accept students who can’t do college work.

By shawna

August 24, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

I have been following this blog for a few days and it has brought out every emotion in me that you can think of. I am a mother of a 7 year old son. We are African American/Black. I could sit back and look at statistics that say my son is likely to be this or that. I could buy into stereotypes and racist notions. I could focus on the problems that face the black race as a whole (yes there are some real issues). But I choose to focus on my son and giving him the best possible life that I can. I look my son in the eye when I speak to him. We touch him, even if it is a pat on the back or rub the top of his head. I ask him about his day, about his feelings. I teach my son values such as respect, honesty and love of family. In my home we stress the importance of learning and doing your very best in school. I email his teacher. I send notes to her. I ask questions. We stress respect of self, teachers, other adults and respecting property. And we also teach our son that there are good and bad people in every race and to align himself with people of character. These things are the key to success whether your child is black, white, yellow or brown. And it starts early. Yes, he is young but we believe we are laying a foundation that we will continue to build onto and do whatever we need to do in order for him to be successful in school and in life. This isn’t a black or a white thing it is a parenting thing. We can argue every day, all day about what plaques the world and what the problems are but change comes about one child at a time, one family at a time. My only hope is that the world will receive him as an educated, determined, hardworking man who has something to offer and not just another N or some statistic/stereotype based on his color. But in the meantime, I am going to do my part. It is all I can do.

To all the people who buy into stereotypes, figures and statistics, please know for every thug, ho, deadbeat, low life loser you see in the media or on the street who happens to be black there are just as many or if not more of us working hard, raising families, educating our children, making an honest living who share this planet and have the dreams that you do.

That is my pie in the sky post for all you meanies!!!:)

Peace, Shalom, Adios, Ciao…BYE

By claudeeclaude,claude

August 24, 2005 03:03 PM | Link to this

WEaretheALPHAandtheOMEGA , what is your last name? if you do not mind? I bet your teachers and the DMV love you. I like your name(really). Is your license longer in width? Really! I checked, seems there is not much room for things like that. Does any of your friends shorten your name to “We” ? just curious

By SET

August 24, 2005 05:22 PM | Link to this

I read Shawna’s comments. I was not surprised at her reference to the bloggers here as “meanies”. Application of stats or numbers are for groups of people, not for her son personally. Blacks take any criticism of Blacks personally and emotionally. It is a weakness I see in most Blacks. Shawna’s son can become the best man possible if she and his father make sure the child is brought up with every advantage (and loving attention).

If we are speaking about a large number of people - such as the population of a High School District - we have to discuss larger issues of policy and how to manage what we have to work with. This isn’t being “mean”.

This column was to discuss problems with Black Male Graduation Rates. Not Shawna’s kid. Black Males (and females) are badly mismatched with colleges due to affirmative action. They are put into schools where they don’t fit in and can’t compete with the other students. Trying to tutor them doesn’t change the fact that they are outmatched and outgunned if they are IQ 100 or less attending a school with an avg IQ of 115.

Thomas Sowell and others have written about this syndrome. My point is that the better solution to Black Male Graduation failures is to kill the Affirmative Action and tutoring model in favor of match black students to colleges where they will actually fit in (IQ or IQ proxy matching such as grades and test scores).

By Blk College Grad

August 25, 2005 08:24 AM | Link to this

How ignorant SET, you make it sound as if whites are generally smarter than blacks by birthright..”Black Males (and females) are badly mismatched with colleges due to affirmative action.” You imply that these kids aren’t cutting it and they are being put into these arenas behind the eight ball due to AA. Why the color references what about legacies, they get into schools based upon mommy/daddy what about there IQ mismatch with the kids who get in on merit alone. This is what makes you very ignorant. Why do you think that black students are at the bottom of the curve. “They don’t fit in and can’t compete” (SET), I don’t see what race has to do with it…Everyone who goes to college isn’t college material white, black or indian..What about kids from rural GA, who don’t necessarily have the greatest education competing agaianst private schoolers, they are in the same boat as your so called blacks who are outmatched…You think everybody at UGA had a 4.0 in highscool, and a ultra high IQ, what about the white kids who didn’t? who barely got in, are these folks any more able to compete and fit in, than the dumb by birth black males and females. I don’t get your point SET, I get your ignorance though…This is exactly why we all just can’t get along…Concerning your comment about blks taking insults hedged as criticism on other blacks personally, there’s a reason we call each other brothers and sisters, it’s just not the hip thing to do…But I go back to a 1990’s phrase that is still trueIt’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand**

By Blk College Grad

August 25, 2005 08:46 AM | Link to this

P.S. moron (SET) There is a problem with black male graduation at predominantly black colleges as well, so that blows your whole affirmative action comment out of the water..The issue isn’t not being able to cut it, but I won’t waste time trying to explain..Maybe I will maybe someone will be enlightened..The problem is a large number of black males do not aspire a college degree they’d rather be doing other things, but this is not a problem solely for black males, go to Detroit and try to get those guys into college instead of a car factory..Same difference (environment). We (blacks) never asked anybody to step in and solve the problems of our community. Most of the bad press and so called social programs are thrust down their throats. Everybody has a platform, unfortunately we’ve been other peoples platforms/agendas for a long time. Poverty, lack of healthcare, poor education is not a black problem it’s a poverty problem, just go to rural GA you’ll see it. It boils down to what group makes a better commercial or poster child for these things. So of course, they release African American stats on teen pregnancy, HIV, education, welfare. I guess we’re supposed to believe everythings peaches and cream on the otherside eventhough whites make up 80% of the population..There is no way the white stats aren’t more damaging just from a numbers standpoint (a bigger part of the whole). Nobody cares how damaging these campaigns are, so they throw blacks underneath the bus, afterall we should be used to bad news right…..

By Hmm

August 25, 2005 09:09 AM | Link to this

Blk College Grad, It seems that SET has upset you. You’ve lost command of the English language. I haven’t been following this thread closely, but I saw you discussing numbers. You should take another look at those stats you’re attempting to illustrate. It’s not just the black population represented. Review with more objectivity, since not everything is about dissing the black man. When groups in a community seek out welfare, they’re asking for help. It’s the very definition. At some point, the powers that be will need to determine a more proactive strategy for these groups. That’s when the programs are born that you so easily dismiss. If kids in rural GA want to be something other than an illiterate adult in rural GA, they’ll move on to college and get a typical non-rural career. But, since it’s their lifestytle, I suppose the majority of them will be quite content raising their families, tending their farms, etc. There are government programs to help them, too.

By Karen Armsby

August 25, 2005 10:25 AM | Link to this

It appears to me that this program is designed to lift up, encourage, and motivate the students to succeed. As several posters pointed out there are many campus organizations, whether they are based on race, Greek, religious, community, or institution sponsored. I posted a Georgia Tech article earlier that points to their great success in recruiting, mentoring, and graduating black engineers at the undergrad and grad levels.

So what is so bad about another college program trying to help Black male students? Most college students need help adjusting to and succeeding in college. Even the brightest students from the wealthiest homes can have trouble adjusting to their new found independence, if they party too much, skip classes, or come unprepared to study.

The negative, defensive, contemptuous, and divisive name calling comments in this blog are disturbing! Can’t we all just get along, focus on the positive, and lift each other up, instead of creating a greater divide? For me, here’s where civility is disrupted between the races: as a ‘white’ woman I am just as offended when a black person says to me “it’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand,” as you would be if I were to say “it’s a white thing, you wouldn’t understand.” Words matter, choose them carefully.

By Amazed (Independent Woman)

August 25, 2005 11:29 AM | Link to this

Lafessa: As for a better example than Cosby, Collin Powel is a much better example. Oprah is a much better example: she has also donated money to many of the same charities, communities and schools. There are many others who donate money and time in the entertainment industry and in the educational field, who, give back as well.

My contribution: I volunteer inside and outside of my community, because that’s me. I’ve been blessed to work for an organization that’s a leader in the community and I am actively involved. I am a mentor to three school age children as well as my daughter. I lead by example, by showing others how to obtain their goals. People are not afraid to approach me, when they need help. I have worked with several students who did not know how to go about applying for college or a job. I have tutored students who were having a hard time with higher math and writing essays or term papers. If I see a child going in the wrong direction in life, I make contact and help to put that child on the right road. I work with their parents, if there is not enough support coming from them. I have learned that you can do anything if you have someone behind you, who will support you. That support can come from inside and outside of your network of friends and family. Everything in life is not about money, although money can make things a little easier. I treat others as I expect to be treated. I show respect, even when I’m being disrespected. I’m also one of those 50% households headed by a single mom, you mentioned. My rhetoric speaks for itself and there are millions of people like me out there pitching in to help.

What are you contributing except for pointless rhetoric, about what blacks do and do not do or should/could/would do? No need to address me, I’m finished with this “blog� until next week.

“A program like this can only benefit the entire community as a whole. “