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DEL.ICIO.USSome fun nuggets from the final coaches’ poll
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
I now understand why the coaches who vote in the USA Today poll don’t want their ballots released on a weekly basis. There is just too much entertainment value in them.
By rule, the final ballots in the coaches’ poll must be made public. That’s the one that helps to determine the final BCS Standings and sets the national championship game. Thus the public has a right to know if some hanky-panky is going on. After going through the ballots on the USA Today website, here are some nuggets that I found particularly entertaining:
**—In the print edition of this morning’s AJC there was a report that Georgia coach Mark Richt had Florida and Alabama, two teams that beat the Bulldogs by a combined score of 90-40, 1-2 on his ballot.
There is nothing wrong with Richt sticking up for the SEC because the Big 12 coaches certainly took care of their teams. Four of six Big 12 coaches in the poll (Dan Hawkins, Colorado; Bo Pelini, Nebraska; Gary Pinkel, Missouri; Gene Chizik, Iowa State) had Oklahoma and Texas in the top two spots in their ballots. Chizik, who was Brown’s defensive coordinator at Texas, had the Longhorns No. 1 and Oklahoma No. 2. Two Big Ten coaches (Jim Tressel, Ohio State; Joe Tiller, Purdue) had Oklahoma-Texas at 1-2 and Florida, the SEC champion, at No. 3.
**—Four coaches (Chizik, Todd Dodge, North Texas; Rick Neuheisel, UCLA; Mike Price, UTEP) had Texas No. 1 on their ballots. Neuheisel had Texas No. 1 and Oklahoma No. 4 behind Florida and USC. Oklahoma got 31 first-place votes while Florida got 26.
**—A total of 20 coaches had Texas No. 1 or No. 2 on their ballots.
**—Two Big 12 coaches did not have Oklahoma and Texas 1-2. Brown of Texas voted Florida No. 1 and his Longhorns No. 2. Mike Leach of Texas Tech had Oklahoma, the only team that beat his Red Raiders this season, at No. 1 and Texas Tech No. 2. He had Texas, whose only loss was to Texas Tech, at No. 5.
**—Of the six SEC coaches who vote in the poll, five had Florida No. 1 on their ballots. The only holdout was Steve Spurrier of South Carolina, a Florida graduate who had Oklahoma No. 1 and the Gators No. 2. Understand that Spurrier and Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops are close friends.
**—Former Clemson coach Tommy Bowden had Florida No. 1 but his dad, Bobby Bowden of Florida State, did not. Daddy Bowden voted Oklahoma No. 1 and Florida No.2.
Comments
By Go Vols
December 10, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
Another “this is the best you can do!?!?” column from Mr. CF. What, exactly, are the nuggets? There’s no insight here.
By baloney
December 10, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this
Things that make you go….hmmmm.
By RAMBLE ON!!!
December 10, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this
Why doesn’t the greatest coach in the NCAA Paul Johnson vote?
By T-Bone
December 10, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Tony,
Back to yesterday’s column—One thing that would help the “bowl bidness” mess is if the other BCS conferences would get a championship game. Any movement on that front? That would require the Big 10(11) to add one (Notre Dame is the obvious choice, but that won’t happen) and the Pac-10 to add 2 (lot’s of choices there). Then I would be in favor of bringing into the BCS mix the WAC, the Mt. West, the MAC, C-USA, as long as they also had championship games. That would give you 10 conf. champs. Add to that 6 at-large, and you have a 4-week playoff.
Some other points: —Start the season the last Saturday in August, and only allow 1 bye-week. —Allow other bowls to continue as a reward to the other teams for good seasons. —Does it make the regular season meaningless? No. Every game counts because you’re trying to get into and win that conf. championship game or one of the six at-large bids. Admittedly, the playoffs begin the “2nd Season,” but it is price worth paying.
I think it would be wildly successful and incredibly profitable.
Seems doable to me.
By Always Remember
December 10, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
Georgia Tech quit the SEC back in the 1960s because Bryant & Dooley were whipping their butt every year.
It’s great to be a fuzzy bee. LMAO
By Old Gold
December 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
RAMBLE ON - have you ever been with a woman? You seem to be on this blog faster than anyone every day. You must be bored. You need to discover the concept of women.
By It's going to be fun...
December 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
… next year or in a couple of years when Tech has a mediocre year listening to what RAMBLE ON!!! and m have to say about CPJ!
By Tom Selleck
December 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Tony, FYI Steve Spurrier is not the only UF grad to have the Gators at #3. Iowa State’s Gene Chizik is also an aulm.
By SimpleDawg
December 10, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
So the coaches do vote with their emotions…Whether you have OU or UF #1 doesn’t matter as long as those 2 are 1-2 - they were the 2 most impressive teams in the 2 best conferences. The Pac-10 and the Big 10-11 should not be permitted to play for the National Championship under the BCS until they hold a conference championship game…neither should Notre Dame. Only teams from conferences having split divisions, and which hold a conference championship game should be considered. ND should join the The Big 10 + 1, making it The Big 10 + 2 or whatever they decide to call it. The Pac-10 could add Boise St and Utah, since they want to be considered with the “big boys”, or they could add Fresno St and Hawaii, if they need a couple more crappy teams for USC to beat up and pad their record.
By Not Surprised
December 10, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
I thought it was a little telling that Urban the great ranked the dawgs at number 21. Seems the man just can’t let go of the the dance last year.
By AC's my LB
December 10, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
Ladies & Gentlemen,
The best linebacker in the nation can be found at little ol’ Wake Forest.
Congrats to Aaron Curry for winning the Butkus Award!
Not bad for a former 2-star recruit, huh?
By Tony Barnhart
December 10, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
T-Bone:
I’m glad you brought up the idea of conference championship games and the fact that some conferences do not have one.
I’ve said this many times and it bears repeating. There is no mechanism in place to require conferences to have a championship game. It can’t be done.
In college football every conference stands alone to make its own policy except for NCAA recruiting rules, etc.
This is not like the NFL where the league can dictate to its teams.
Bottom line: Requiring teams to have a conference championship game is a non-starter. Won’t happen. Can’t happen.
TB
By lakerat
December 10, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
TBone -
You really don’t need to change much in the way of conference alignments to get the playoff. Just start with the 119 BCS teams and reduce them to a 9 game regular season - then allow all 119 to participate in the playoffs - the #1 team at the time the playoffs begin gets a bye the first week - and all 119 teams are guaranteed the 10th game. Seed the teams 1 - 119, just as in basketball and play high vs low (2 aginst 119, 3 against 118, etc).
After the first round you are down to 60 teams. After the second round you are down to 32 teams (when bowl game sites come into play - making all of the bowls relevant), then 16, then 8, then 4 then 2.
All of the big money schools, who would/should be the higher ranked teams, should be playing at least 12 games (unless an upset occurs), same as the current regular season, and they should have the same number of home games since higher seeds get home field advantage. In this scenario everyone wins, except the fat cats at the Rose Bowl!
By Bamafan
December 10, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
Tony, It is hard to believe that Nick Saban got coach of the year award from ESPN. Most of the media people hates Saban with a passion and he can be a prick like Bobby Knight was to the media. I think Saban and Meyer and Richt are the best coaches in this area of the country and we are very lucky to have them. The new vols coach is already earning his money, he got a recruit away from Saban yesterday Eric Gordon is a 4 star player from Nashville and we had him going to Alabama!! ROLL TIDE FOLKS!!!
By AltamahaDawg
December 10, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
And Urban voted Ol’Miss #12. I wonder why that is?
By Dawg Fud
December 10, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
i thought Eric Gordon played hoops for Indiana and is now in the NBA
By Eric1
December 10, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Old Gold, can’t you think of something stupid to say?
By BCS ANNOUNCEMENT
December 10, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
BCS ANNOUNCES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II !
US Ranked 4th
After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.
” Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland , France , Norway , Sweden , Denmark , Belgium and the Netherlands . Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work—including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule—our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking.”
Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated “The US only had two major victories— Japan and Germany . The computer models, unlike humans, aren’t influenced by head-to-head contests—they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event.”
German Chancellor Adolph Hitler said “Yes, we lost to the US ; but we defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks.” Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn ‘style points’ to enhance Germany ‘s rankings. Hitler protested “Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces.”
The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented ” France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2.”
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines .
By Tom
December 10, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
Always Can’t Remember…..
Tech left the SEC in ‘63. Dooley started in ‘64. Idiot. When Tech left, they had won 10 out of the last 13 vs the mutts. Yeah, that was a good reason to get out.
LOL!
By Dave-SD
December 10, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
It looks like Big Ten coaches (and their friends among the MAC coaches) and Pac 10 coaches (and their friends among the WAC and MWC coaches) voted like SEC and Big 12 coaches, Penn State and USC might be playing for all the marbles, not just the Rose Bowl.
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
Comments in response to Tony——
(1) Mark Richt voted for Florida 1st and Alabama 2nd? Nope, nothing wrong here. Coach Richt’s Dawgs played Florida and Alabama, so he is entitled to his opinion. In fact, a first-hand educated opinion, which is more than three-quarters of the poll coaches can say.
(2) Four Texas college coaches voted for Texas over Oklahoma? No, nothing wrong here, either. Texas did beat Oklahoma by 10 points in stadium filled 50-50 with fans from each university. Both finished the regular season with identical 11-1 records. If the Big XII had the same 3-way tie-breaker as the SEC, Florida would be playing Texas on January 8th.
(3) Mack Brown voted for Florida over Texas and Oklahoma? Well, good for him. That’s what we call personal integrity. He voted what he actually believed, and damn the consequences. I like the guy more already. Karma will smile on Coach Brown and his Longhorns one day soon.
(4) The Old Ball Coach voted the Gators 2nd, eh? Well, that’s okay, too. Reasonable people may differ on whether Florida or Oklahoma should be ranked 1st or 2nd. And we have to give ol’ “Stoopsie” a tip of the hat: his defense was the biggest difference in the Gators’ getting thumped by 62-24 by Nebraska, and thumping Florida State 52-20. Maybe Urban Meyer can repay the compliment by voting one of the Evil Genius’ teams number 2 some day. wink wink
If Spurrier had voted both Oklahoma AND Texas ahead of Florida, then there would be a serious discussion about revoking his life-time golf pass for the UF course.
(5) Hey, I’m just happy that living legend Bobby Bowden still remembers the name of the school where he coaches. Better to be ranked number 2 going into the BCS title game, anyway. The 2nd-ranked team has won 5 of the last 6 BCS title games. Perhaps the Legend was merely trying to do the Gators a favor, eh?
By Spurticus
December 10, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
Urban had Dawgs at 21 because, at best, that’s what they are. Three losses in which its defense was totally blown away by the competition and you’re suggesting Georgia should be ranked higher than 21?
By USA TODAY POLL DATA
December 10, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
USA Today (Coaches) poll data: How they did against the Top 25.
-#1 Oklahoma 12-1 (3-1) – (W) #8 Texas Tech, (W) #14 Oklahoma State, (W) #23 Missouri, (L) #3 Texas
-#2 Florida 12-1 (2-1) – (W) #4 Alabama, (W) #17 Georgia , (L) #24 Ole Miss
-#3 Texas 11-1 (3-1) – (W) #1 Oklahoma, (W)#14 Oklahoma State, (W) #23 Missouri, (L) #8 Texas Tech
-#4 USC 11-1 (2-1) – (W) #10 Ohio State, (W) #13 Oregon, (L) #25 Oregon State
-#4 Alabama 12-1 (2-1) – (W) #17 Georgia, (W) #24 Ole Miss , (L) #2 Florida
Best Win in order – Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, USC, Alabama
Worst Loss in order – USC -6(away), Florida -1(home), Texas -6 (away), Oklahoma -10 (neutral), Alabama -11 (neutral)
By BobbyG
December 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
And Oregon State HC Mike Riley ranked UGA at……uh……..
Guess he forgot?
By Ramblin Wrecker
December 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
So if Florida is #1 on Mark Richt’s ballot and Alabama is #2, does that mean that Georgia Tech was #3? I’m just following the logic of a UGA fan. If team A and team B beat the greatest team in the history of sports (UGA) then they must be pretty darn good. So why not team C???
This practice of having coaches vote on who gets to be #1 and #2 is corrupt. It’s like allowing Congress to vote on giving themselves a raise. It will never be just and fair. They need to remove the coaches poll from the BCS, return the AP poll and put margin of victory back into the computer formulas. I don’t know why they remove it in the first place. It would certainly end all this Texas vs Oklahoma nonsense. You can’t tell me that it isn’t relevant that Texas lost to Texas Tech on a last second TD and Oklahoma put 60 points on TT, or that OK was obliterating their opponents down the stretch. The argument is that it promotes unsportsmanlike behavior. To me unsportsmanlike behavior isn’t measured by a scoreboard. It is measured by what you do in the endzone after you score, or what you say or don’t say after you make a tackle or catch a big pass, or whether you ask your team to rush the field after a 1st quarter TD or calling timeouts with a minute to go when you already have the game in hand. And just because margin of victory isn’t calculated in the computer polls currently, it still hasn’t prevented teams from “running up the score”. So make it an official piece, but weigh it less than record and strength of schedule.
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
“BCS ANNOUNCEMENT”——Now, that’s good satire.
I note for the record, however, that the six BCS computer services collectively ranked the University of Florida 3rd, behind Oklahoma and Texas. Two computer services ranked Texas Tech ahead of Florida, and two actually ranked Utah ahead of the Gators.
It would be interesting to see where the BCS computers rank the Gators after the BCS title game is played——split decision among the six in favor of USC?
By Wally Butts
December 10, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
Georgia at 21 sounds about right. They had the biggest drop from Pre-Season #1 than any other school in history.
“Let the Big Dawg Read” - Jan Kemp 1986
By tjs
December 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
Until there is a valid playoff, all this second guessing on any oolls is B.S. And lets face this fact, as long as chamber of commerces can make money sponsoring 7-5 & 6-6 teams in the “who would have thunk it bowl” , and greedy college presidents and school AD’s can schedule 12 games per year, to maximize profits. There will never be a play off…Hence peoeple like me have lost interest in college football, after decades of being a fan.
By murfdawg
December 10, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
BCS ANNOUNCEMENT…..
That is too funny!!!
I hope they don’t take your computer away from you or put you in a pen and paper concetration camp.
By Dorsey Hill
December 10, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Wally,
Two teams have been ranked pre-season number 1 and finished unranked. Three other pre-season no. 1’s have fininshed with identical or worse records than 9-3.
So as one might have suspected you are complete idiot. You are wasting the planet’s oxygen supply. Please jump of something high, like a bridge or a tall building, so that you can save the gene pool as well as your parents from further embarrassment. We all would appreciate it. Happy landing and if there is reincarnation don’t skip the brain lane this time, for everyone’s sake. If you happen to be afraid of heights find a bottle of pain killers or at the very minimum get yourself to a vasectomy clinic. Thank you.
BTW: whatever team you are a fan of wishes that you weren’t.
By Tech82
December 10, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Why is this topic consuming two different AJC blogs today? The Tech beat blog is discussing the same topic. Talk about a waste of space…
By RAMBLE ON!!!
December 10, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Old Gold women and blogging go hand in hand, huh? (no pun intended).
You don’t worry about my love life and what I do from 8-5 and I won’t worry about your ignorance of football, women, and GT.
By CCG ?
December 10, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Why would a conference in which each team plays all the other teams need a CCG? They have the head to head game to break ties.
By Barry Wilson
December 10, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
I am amazed and troubled at why the Head Coach at Grambling State Ubiversity, Rod Broadway, has not even been given a mention as a head coaching candidate for any of the present large college vacancies. I will readily admit to a personal bias in favor of Coach Broadway, but my bias is fact-related and based on a multi-year working relationship in which we were both assistants on Steve Spurrier’s staff at Duke and Florida. Also, Rod was on my staff at Duke for 4 years when I was the Head Coach there. He is a fine coach, an excellent recruiter and a wonderful person. He has been successul for many years at the highest levels of college football. More than that, for the past 6 years he has proven himself as a winning head coach at North Carolina Central University and at Grambling University, where he has totally revived that program in just two years. He has produced multiple 10 win seasons in his rise to the status of an elite coach. The print and TV media should be fair in it’s promotion of various coaches around the country. We all know that it is commonly done, every week. Broadway is as good and deserving as anyone around - period!
It should not matter, but since the issue has recently been raised that minority coaches are being passed over, I will mention the fact that Rod Broadway is an Afro-American and a man that I am proud to say is a dear friend. Also, I will state that he did not, in any way, prompt me to write this recommendation. Barry Wilson - Chattanooga, TN
By Deacon Jones
December 10, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
BCS Announcement wins BEST POST OF THE YEAR!
Hands down…
That was rich!
Thanks.
By Bankerdawg
December 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Always Remember…
I would encourage you to do some fact checking and discover the events that surrounded Tech leaving the SEC.
It did have a lot to do with Bear Bryant, but not the way you think. Also, another post already addressed the fact that Tech left the SEC as Dooley was just joining the Bulldawgs, so it’s quite impossible that the W-L record against us had anything to do with it.
Unbelievable.
By the real OLD GOLD
December 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
“Old Gold” Why did you steal my name. ‘Tis because you lack originality.
By Will
December 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
Big Tone,
Must we revisit the pain for dawg fans every day. Can you please blog about something else positive for us…..Like Urban going to Notre Dame? Or Tebow, Spikes and Harvin going to the NFL? Probably you’ll blog soon that Stafford is projected to be the #1 pick by the Detroit Lions next year. I think it’s time to move on from this season.
By azcat225
December 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
I am getting kind of tired about the whining about some conferences not having a Conference Championship Game, at least as it relates to the PAC10. When the NCAA went to a 12 game regular season, Tom Hansen, the Commissioner of the PAC10, decreed that the member schools would not schedule another OCC game but that the conference would to to a true round robin schedule every year. Every one plays every one, year in and year out. Call me old school but that seems to result in a true conference champion.
The Big 10/11/Can’t count is a different story, in more ways than one.
The single biggest factor that pushed other conferences into CCG’s was, of course, $$$$$$$$$$. Complain to your commissioner and/or school presidents if you think your CCG is such an unbearable burden.
By Typical bulldawg hater
December 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
And when I say the logic of a UGA fan, I am talking about how I perceive their logic, not how it actually is. You see, I just assume that most Georgia fans thought their team is the greatest team in the history of the sport. My hate and lack of objectivity doesn’t allow me to realize that the hype their fans were talking about were no different than any team who returned 16 starters from a top 3 team last year and had a recent history of finishing in the top 10. To me that’s illogical because I hate UGA. No other reason. I wouldn’t say the same about any other team. Also, my hate makes me think that the only reason Georgia fans think that Alabama and Florida are the two best teams in the country is because they feel they would have to be to beat UGA that badly. I am really not intelligent enough to think that maybe they had actually seen the teams play and were impressed. See, I haven’t actually seen them play so I don’t know how good the two teams actually are, but I would think they aren’t because I hate UGA and my non objective opinion makes me think any team that was that good would have beaten Georgia by more than they did.
By Sarcastic Dawg
December 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Just think folks, we could be talking about a first round of playoffs right now that includes matchups like Oklahoma v. Penn State or Florida v. Texas Tech. But that would of course be boring. No self-respecting football fan would want to see a slew of do or die games between highly ranked opponents to decide a champion on a football field. Its much more interesting to talk about “fun nuggets” in the coaches poll. Yay BCS!!!
Good grief. Wake me up in August.
By Mentally Challenged Beaver
December 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Coach Mike Riley of Oregon State did’nt vote GEORGIA in the top 25, yet he had his sorry Beavers with 4 losses at #24 and powerful Ball State at #15.-We need a real playoff to get rid of this idiotic system supported by very few real football fans.
By Unbelievable
December 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
These coaches (most) should be ashamed. No class what so ever. Especially the Big 12 (sans Brown) and SEC. If the other conference coaches were as biased, the poll would have 0 credibility. Say what you want, The Big 10 and Pac 10 coaches are a head above when it comes to credibility. WE NEED A PLAYOFF!
By Pot/Kettle
December 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Tony share your AP ballot with us, if you can bare the shame.
By ...... I.Q.
December 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
Bob Stoops is STUPID.
By Gen Neyland
December 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
The one thing about computers, they don’t vote along conference lines…on purpose. The Big 12 was the conference that may bring all to scratching their heads. Of OK, TX and TT, all are ranked above teams in their conference they lost to, and they all lost 1…Colt McCoy says he’s returning. So should Stafford. If all eligible top QB’s return next season, it could be another interesting year. I’m good with OK-UF in the BCSCG. They both won out in their respective CCG by whatever rules are in place, so that’s that.
By Ben Gilbert
December 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Head Coaches don’t have the time to watch much football around the country during the season and thus they rely on assistants, SID’s,Media folks, thier wife or whoever to help’em out with their votes and obviously they are much more familar with their own confrence. Like all of us they are human and their Bias will show up.
By Georgia Isn't a Top 25 Team
December 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Hmmmm, does Georgia have a victory against any team currently ranked in the Top 25? Didn’t they lose to EVERY team they played that is currently ranked in the Top 25?
By JP
December 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Why would Stafford return? UGAG is going to be worse next year!
By Why Make Excuses?
December 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
WADR Ben, you sound like a UGA fan, making excuses is 2nd natured to them. If the coach can’t be unbiased, he should not vote. This shouldn’t be a popularity contest, and choosing teams from your conferece is self serving, no secret there.
By Heyberto
December 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
Certainly shows a lot of questionable votes, and the problem of allowing this poll to be a part of the system. Not that we had to wait on this to be released to know that. Remember the argument so many coaches gave last year for Georgia not making it to number 2? You have to win your conference championship to get to the National Title? A lot of voters didn’t seem to agree with that relating to Texas. I’m not made we didn’t go, but I don’t like the different criteria that these coach’s can arbitrarily come up with to vote how they want to. Shady, shady, shady.
By Typical bulldawg hater
December 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
On my other screen name, Ramble On! you may have noticed that I called someone ignorant just because they found me annoying. I did this because I assumed he was a Georgia fan because he didn’t like me. And of course as the typical bulldawg hater, I just assume every Georgia fan is ignorant because I myself am stupid realize how off base my thinking really is. Anyway, what I don’t realize because I am stupid, is that most the Tech fans on these boards don’t like me either.
And you can see I used the name Wally Butts, which is cute. By using that name, I think I am comu=ing off as a knowledgable hater, but my comment suggests otherwise. You see, if I really knew about college football as much as my name might suggest, I would know that Auburn in 1984 had an even bigger drop as a preseason #1. But i don’t, so i just made something upp so i could take a swipe at Georgia.
By ...Finish the DRILL
December 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
TONY, we never got the final week in the regular season results from BEAT BARNHART. I would appreciate you posting it somehow.
By White and Gold
December 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Both the media and coaches polls are jokes. Neither poll should exist until several weeks into the season, like the BCS rankings. Bama wasn’t even preseason ranked! UGA wouldn’t be ranked now if not for the preseason #1 ranking! GT went from #80 to #15? The polls are a joke! We need a playoff…
By By Typical tech fan who failed out of Tech
December 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
The reason I failed out of Tech is because my techinical knowledge is pretty weak. If it wasn’t, I would have known that there aren’t two seperate blogs on this topic. I would have known that it’s the same blog with the link being provided at two different areas of the AJC website.
By Brewer
December 10, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
FYI…
Coach Johnson doesn’t participate in the coaches’ poll because he thinks the poll is stupid. He has said that there is no way a coach can be doing his job as a coach and watching dozens of football games each week so that he can make good decisions about who should be ranked where. He also said that if he were forced to do the poll, he’d just give it to his wife to fill out. Really, think about it. These coaches probably watch the highlights on SportsCenter. How many times have you watched the ‘highlights’ from a game you watched in its entirety and scratched your head in amazement at what a poor job ESPN did at telling what really happened in said game???
By MoDawg
December 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
JP Have you seen the women at UGA?? That’s one good reason to stick around for another year. Also, “UGAG” will not be worse next year.
Keep telling yourself that, though. Live off that 3 point victory for as long as you can.
By YoungDawg
December 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
What the poll shows is the politics in the coaching community. We need a playoff system! Then we’ll be worrying about the politics behind which large bids made it in just like we do for the Big Dance!
By MoDawg
December 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
White and Gold
I couldn’t agree with you more. Any poll that comes out before the season even starts is a joke, to me. I think they should wait unti halfway through the season before these teams get ranked in anything “meaningful”. The logic that even if a team loses early they still have a shot at the BCS Mythical NC, is ridiculous. Line the best 16 teams (or whatever number makes sense) up against each other at the end of the year and let them play it out on the field until only one team remains. There’s your National Champion.
By Disagreeable Odor in Ohio
December 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Did Jim Tressel “Call in Gray” today?
By SlimG
December 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
No wonder our economy is in the tank. This is what people care about?
Trade schoolers, get back to the lab. Isn’t there a new procedure you should be perfecting? I expect the best care when I need it and so do my employees.LOL
Go to school, find a job, hope there’s enough left to make it till you die. Great concept! Keep up the good work Techies and I’ll think about giving you a raise, someday.
By GetOverIt
December 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
I’m going to live off that victory for at least a year! hahahahahaha
By TJ
December 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
I think Always Remember should be renamed Already Forgotten! That ok, blame it on the Mad Cow Disease.
By The Price is Right
December 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
Typical -
Actually, there is a separate Tech blog on this same subject. It is from the Tech perspective written by Suguira.
Now, back to the fryer…
By TybeeDawg
December 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
T-Bone and Tony,
How about a modification of T-Bone’s idea….instead of a conference champio nship game, go back to 11 games and play every team in your conference. Winner is in the playoffs along with the at large bids you alluded to.
By JR, a typical tech idiot
December 10, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
If I had actually been smart enough to graduate from Tech, I would have been able to tell that Suguira’s blog was actually a slightly different topic. His topic was on how Tech was viewed by the coaches, whereas Tony’s topic was on the just the voting in general focusing mainly on the voting for the top two. If I wasn’t a Tech flunky, I would realize that the two articles may hit on similar points and use some of the same info, but the topics are different, although slightly. But in typical Tech flunky form, I once again made a comment to sound superior in yet another weak attempt to hide the fact I have very low self esteem.
By hem o'roid
December 10, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
MODAWG—Ref. your comments about the women @ ugag. I watched the ga/vt basketball game last night and a couple of the ugag cheer leaders were so buck toothed, they could eat corn on the cob thru a tennis racket. Go on to the nfl guys.
By typical bulldawg fan
December 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Barnfart you suck! Give us some juice! Like is Matt Stanford and Noshon Mareeno coming back for a championship run in 09?
By Okefenokee Dawgs
December 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
BC Announcement - Was Switzerland in the top ten? I know they were undefeated, but they didn’t really play anyone.
By Lou Vales
December 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Tony, I’m going to assume it was no accident that my message portraying Bowden as an blubbering, detached bozo, self-righteous hypocrire engaged in a selfish pursuit of an all times win record was deleted. Well, Bobby remains the AARP Man of the Year as he meanders around the sideline trying to stay out of the way of the “Coach In Waiting”. Go to You Tube, pull up Bobby Bowden Pregame Speech. That says it all—Dadgumit!! Tony, when the family takes away the 79 year old “head coach’s” CAR KEYS that should suffice as far as proof. Shula, Brown, Wilkinson, Robinson, Howell, Sherrman, Bryant, Allen, Schembechler, Dooley, Jordan and MANY others all had the braibs and the grace to leave.
By BBR
December 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Paul who? Maybe because no one in the country cares about Tech or the ACC.
By Typical bulldawg hater
December 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Man, I’m so obsessed with hating Georgia. I make up a screen name making it look like I’m a Georgia fan and say things I think Georgia fans think. I think it’s really cute and funny, but I’m too dumb to realize that very few if any Georgia fans have made comments like I have under that name. What you people have to realize is that I really don’t have a team I follow. I just hate Georgia. So I spend my time on these boards making negative Georgia posts. the reason I hate Georgia is becuase of the coverage they get in the local newspapere. I’m too stupid to realize that living in Atlanta, I libve in a city that has more georgia fans than any pther team and that it’s perfectly natural for a local newspaper to ctare more to what the customers want. I’m also too ignorant to go read other media outlets that cover other teams. So instead, I spend my time on these boards trashing Georgia thus showing how truly pathetic my life really is.
By typical bulldawg fan
December 10, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
You tell em BBR! EVERYONE watches and cares about UGA!!! We are always on everyone’s radar as the team to beat in the SEC!
Florida got lucky and we will get revenge next year!
UGA National Champs 09!!!!
BOOK IT!!!!
By Some Juice
December 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Reports from Athens from an unnamed reliable source have said Noshow and Stafford will travel to Boston following the season and wed. They are reported to be planning to enter the NFL draft as husband and husband and will reside in Massachusetts.
By Mark Is Botoxed
December 10, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Dear Typical Bulldog Fan, If you can assure me that 2 SEC Championships in 3 years, 1 National Championship in 3 years and the chance to play for another one in 4 weeks is due to LUCK—Well, If Meyer is going to Vegas, I’m following him around table to table. 1980!!!!! 28 LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Years Ago!! So sad, pitiful, horrific and putrid for a ONCE elite program. That program is now overseen by a botoxed punk who cares more about missionairy work in Uzbekistan than the state of his program. Missionairy work is WONDERFUL, just don’t have the unmitigaded audacity to take MILLIONS of dollars from a university and shirk your responsibility to beat our #1 rival and maybe just ONCE IN A Blue Moon play the LAST GAME of the YEAR for a Title. No More Botox!!! You look young enough, Now tough enough, is another story.
By Always Remember THE FACTS
December 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Dodd & Bryant despised each other. Dodd took GT out of the SEC because he was outraged at how Bear/Bama and other SEC schools were using athletes in what amounted to a “plantation system.” Much like the one run by UGA until Kemp exposed it.
45-42 !!!!
By Denver dog
December 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Hey Atlanta GAtor,
Good hypothesis except Spurrier is not a reasonable person
By Old GT Nut
December 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
THE ONE THING YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HEAR FROM (UGA ALUM) TONY BARNHART IS HIS OPIONION ABOUT JAN KEMP
HE WOULDNT DAAAAAAAAAARRRREEE TOUCH THAT ONE
By typical bulldawg fan
December 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Uh, mark is botoxed… My handle is tongue in cheek DUH
By typical bulldawg fan
December 10, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
LETS ALL JUST GET TOGETHER AND HUNKER DOWN
WOOFWOOFWOOF
SIC EM
LET THE BIG DAWG EAT
WE ARE ALWAYS THE BRIDESMAID!!
hahaha
By Always remember all the facts, not just the ones that fit my argument
December 10, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Yeah, a real plantation system going on at the SEC schools at the time since it was 1963 and no SEC team had a single African American player at the time. Also, money was part of the reason as well. Don’t kid yourself. Tech wanted to keep all of bowl like Notre Dame was able to do as an independent. If it wasn’t totally because of this, they would have joined a conference much sooner instead of waiting until they got the opint where almost folded the program. The other reason was because the SEC voted to limit scholarships. It is true that he felt this was exploting the athlete, but the real reason for doing this was make it a more even playing field. That’s also the reason the NCAA later decided to impose scholarship limits on everyone, which by the way, is still in practice today.
By 45-42
December 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
typicalbulldawghater, the funny thing you do not realize is that most people hate UGA and their sh!tty fans. You seem to think that several comments names are from 1 person. Too bad you are too stupid to realize that MOST fans outside of Ga hate UGA and their fans!
By DawgGirl32
December 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
45-42: “MOST fans outside of Ga hate UGA and their fans!”
Talk about a sweeping generalization. I’m sure you’ve polled fans all across the United States to come to that conclusion and are not just basing it on conversations you’ve had with your Tech buddies. The truth is, I’ve heard that same exact statement said about Florida, USC, Tennessee, Ohio State, LSU, etc, etc, etc. I didn’t really get into UGA football until I actually started attending UGA but the one thing I thought was so interesting was just how much Tech fans hate UGA. I mean, Tech hates UGA waayyy more than UGA hates Tech. I never really understood it, but if you think about it, it’s pretty similar to us and Florida. I think it’s safe to say that a big reason why we hate Florida so much is because it’s been pretty hard to beat them the last decade and we don’t like that. Florida’s fans are very cocky towards us because, well, their team beats us pretty often. I would think the same idea applies to Tech.
By DawgFan
December 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
Interesting that Florida Coach Oscar Meyer Winer has Georgia rank 21st and Ga. Tech who lucked out and won by 3 ranked all the way up at 14th. Looks like he will always hold a grudge. If Ga plays Tech 5 times we win 4 of them. Kind of like winning 1 out of 8 games. This kind of grudge voting skews the polls. Richt should have voted Florida 22nd.
By The Rest of The World
December 10, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
Here’s how the schedules for the seven teams rank (not surprisingly, it almost mirrors their actual BCS ranking):
Texas Tech •Non-conference: def. Eastern Washington (6-5), Nevada (7-5), Southern Methodist (1-11), Massachussetts (7-5) •Key conference games: def. No. 3 Texas (11-1), No. 13 Oklahoma State (9-3), lost to No. 1 Oklahoma (12-1)
Alabama •Non conference: def. Clemson (7-5), Tulane (2-10), Western Kentucky (2-10), Arkansas State (6-6) •Key conference games: def. No. 15 Georgia (9-3), No. 25 Ole Miss (8-4), lost to No. 2 Florida (12-1)
Penn State •Non-conference: def. Coastal Carolina (6-6), Oregon State (8-4), Syracuse (3-9), Temple (5-7) •Key conference games: def. No. 10 Ohio State (10-2), lost to Iowa (8-4), def. No. 18 Michigan State (9-3)
USC •Non-conference: def. Virginia (5-7), No. 10 Ohio State (10-2), Notre Dame (6-6) •Key conference games: lost to Oregon State (8-4), def. No. 17 Oregon (9-3)
Texas •Non-conference: def. Florida Atlantic (6-6), UTEP (5-7), Rice (9-3) Arkansas (5-7) •Key conference games: def. No. 1 Oklahoma (12-1), No. 21 Missouri (9-4), No. 13 Oklahoma State (9-3), lost to No. 7 Texas Tech (11-1)
Florida •Non-conference: def. Hawaii (7-6), Miami (7-5), Citadel (4-8), Florida State (8-4) •Key conference games: lost to No. 25 Ole Miss (8-4), def. No. 15 Georgia (9-3), No. 4 Alabama (12-1)
Oklahoma •Non-conference: def. Chattanooga (1-11), No. 12 Cincinnati (Big East Champion, 11-2), Washington (0-12), No. 11 TCU (10-2) •Key conference games: lost to No. 3 Texas (11-1), def. No. 7 Texas Tech (11-1), No. 13 Oklahoma State (9-3), No. 21 Missouri (9-4)
So bammers schedule #6. Behind USC and PENN State. Look for bammer to drop anouther one, finish 11-2 #10
By michaelgee
December 10, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
The only thing that nmatters is that Ga Tech finished higher than the highly pouted UGA dawgs.
UGA fans and their feelings of entitlement are a joke. UGA is not “entitled” to anything.
how ‘bout them poor entitled dawgs?
By michaelgee
December 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this
Dawgfan, You are delusional!
If Ga plays Tech 5 times we win 4 of them, heck, your pathetic dawgs got their arses handed to them weeks ago, yet you are too dumb to shut up barking, now go back under the porch for another year.
Next fall we will SEE how CPJ does with a second year at the helm. dawgdudes, it just gets better at Tech, not worse.
I figure Richt will declare the GT game meaningless and re-schedule another 1-AA team to push around vs maning up for CPJ year II. fwiw, UGA pushed nobody around, it went the other way so shut yer yap!
btw, 2009 wil be Spurrier’s yera to hack them dawgs again…
By Mark Is Botoxed
December 10, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
Typical Bulldog Fan, I knew that. I was just playing along. I’m sure you are a Florida grad as well. You realize Mark went to Boca raton High School. I’m going to assume after seeing all the Blue Hairs in Boca that he was inspired to have early intervention plastic surgery. Munson really needs it, but it’s way too late.
By BAMA STAN
December 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
31-0 at the half?!!!
Looking at the voting - makes you realize that we need a play off.
Thanks to Coach Richt for voting for BAMA and the rematch!
But to be honest - we had our chance to beat Florida - and played great - but the GATORS were the better team. It was settled on the field.
OKLAHOMA and Florida are deserving. However, I do wish we were playing TEXAS!!!!
Here is the real question???
How will the UGA (the Michigan State of the SEC by virtue of their 4th/5th place historic place in the SEC) fair against Michigan STATE (the historic 4/5 best team in the B10)?
This game will be very entertaining and I think it will be close.
Both have 9-3 seasons.
Both got blown out by Top 10 teams.
Both have great RB’s
UGA has the better QB, MState probably a little better on defense.
UGA playing to end the season. Michigan State is like GA Tech - can’t wait until the next game!!!!
Will UGA choke again?
Will it come down to Michigan State’s offense driving for a field goal or TD for a win (like KY or AUB games). If I am a UGA fan - I would certainly hope not!!!! I would have ZERO confidence in this unit.
RROOOOOLLLLLLLLLL TIDE
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
DawgFan——“Coach Oscar Meyer Winer?” Did you really mean “Whiner” or “”Weiner?” In all events, I’m pretty sure you didn’t mean “Winner,” which, of course, is what he really is, right?
Spelling DOES count when you’re trying to insult someone in writing. LOL
By Typical bulldawg hater
December 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Yeah, to me the rest of the world acts and thinks exactly like the people in Atlanta. If I had more than 3 functioning brain cells, I would be able to realize, nationwide there are several schools that are generally hated more than Georgia. But since I don’t, I just assume that other areas are just like Atlanta - they are either Georgia fans or they hate Georgia.
Also, 45-42 seems to be dumbfounded. He/she doesn’t realize that user of this handle does realize that the other handles are diffrerent people. 45-42 doesn’t seem to be able to figure out the obvious. That would be when the user of this handle uses this handle and says he is User X, that he is really just labeling the other user as a typical bulldawg hater because the comment the actual User X had just made fits the profile of a typical bulldawg hater. The user of this handle does this so that User X knows that the comment he/she made is what the user of this handle is responding to.
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
Denver dog——The Evil Genius may be a lot of things, but he is still a Gator at heart, and he will say more than a few kind things about the Gators when they’re not playing his current team. Given that Bob Stoops had a pretty big hand in the Gators’ first MNC in 1996, I won’t hold a grudge that Spurrier voted Oklahoma first and Florida second.
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
Well, we already knew that the Gators were faster, but it seems that they’re also smarter … . here’s an article from today’s Orlando Sentinel:
“Gators beat Sooners in battle of race and studies” by Jeremy Fowler
“Florida and Oklahoma don’t play in the national title game for almost another month, but the Gators football team already has won – in the classroom.
“Oklahoma is the only of 68 bowl-bound Division I-A teams that graduated less than half of its white football student-athletes, according to a study by the University of Central Florida’s Diversity and Ethics in Sport department.
“The study, entitled ‘Keeping score when it counts: Assessing the 2008-09 bowl-bound college football teams – Academic performance improves but race still matters,’ found that Florida graduated 61 percent of its African-American football players and 86 percent of its white players compared to a respective 45 and 44 percent for Oklahoma.
“UCF broke down these race-driven numbers based on the NCAA’s latest Academic Progress Rates. This year, 91 percent of the 68 football programs had at least a 50-percent graduation rate, up from 88 percent in the previous report.
“Nineteen of the 68 teams (28 percent) graduated less than half of their African-American football players, the report states. The University of Miami is the only school of the bunch to graduate every white player.
“’While the graduation rates for African-American student-athletes have improved, the disparity has persisted for years,’” said Dr. Richard Lapchick, director of UCF’s program.”
I’m looking for the link for Dr. Lapchick’s actual report so everyone can check out their own school’s respective graduation rates. I will post it when I find it.
By OOC SOS
December 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
OOC Schedule Opponents
Rank Team - #opponents (W-L) pct.
-1 USC - 3* (21-15) .583
-2 Florida - 4 (26-23) .531
-3 Texas - 4 (25-23) .521
-4 Oklahoma - 4 (22-27) .449
-5 Oklahoma - 4 (22-26) .458
-6 Texas Tech - 4 (21-26) .447
-7 Alabama - 4 (17-31) .354
*PAC 10 plays all conference members 3 OOC games
By College football fan
December 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Atlanta Gator,
Is that why the Ole ball coach lies down when South carolina is playing the Gators? Just kidding. Seriously, though, it always seems to me that Spurrier’s heart is not into as much as it was when he was Aat florida. Like Spurrier or hate him, he absolutely LOVES the University of Florida.
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Here’s the link for the UCF Bowl Teams graduation rate study.. In the SEC, Vanderbilt led with a 91% graduation rate for scholarship football players, followed by Florida (68%), South Carolina (65%), Ole Miss (63%), Kentucky (56%), Alabama (55%), LSU (54%), and UGA (48%). Before our Georgia Tech blogger friends get worked up, I note for the record that Tech and UGA have the same 48% graduation rate.
Bowl Team Graduation Rates Study
By Sautee Dawg
December 10, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
Atlanta Gator
What’s your insight on the Heisman Trophy this year? Tebow again? I posted earlier today in a different blog about how the award should be given away after the bowl season has ended, Stats for a player count during a bowl so why not wait about giving out the trophy. might have made a difference last year with Gators losing to Michigan never know. I think Tebow wins it again, What does the Gator nation think? Past winners get a vote also. Who do you think Tebow votes for? Just curious, nothing to do with todays topic.
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
College Football Fan——Spurrier may still love the Gators, but he hates losing more. Remember, his Gamecocks upset the Gators in Gainesville his first year as the USC head coach, and they came within a blocked field goal of upsetting them again in 2006. Notwithstanding this year’s 56-popint blowout, nobody could ever say that Supurrier’s been in the tank for the Gators.
I’m not sure that it’s a matter of “his heart not being in it,” as much as SOS hasn’t had 4 and 5-star talent at QB. That Garcia kid is a headcase, and it’s got to be driving SOS absolutely nuts. If SOS ever wins an SEC East Division title at USC, it would be more impressive than winning a MNC at Florida.
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Sautee Dawg——Well, apparently the Downtown Athletic Club lost my ballot. I didn’t mention that I won it all in ‘66, did I? LOL
All kidding aside, Tebow, the Gators and their fans would rather see the team play for the BCS Big Enchilada than see Tim win the Heisman again. I think his leadership skills get him invited to New York, but either Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford takes home the hardware this year. Their passing numbers and other stats are just too outrageous.
As for Tim, everyone associated with the Gators football program thinks he’s a better QB this year than last. He’s completing more than 65% of his passes, his TD to INT ratio is 14:1, and his efficiency rating is 177. IMHO, there aren’t 5 Division I QBs who could have completed 1 of the TD passes that he made in the SEC championship game, let alone 3 of them. Without Tebow, the Gators would have lost a 7 to 10-point game to Bama.
Frankly, I hope Bradford wins it, so he can suffer the “Heisman Curse” in the Big Game. Let’s just say that I am skeptical that Bradford will throw for 450 yards against the Gators.
I agree with you, and a lot of other knowledgeable commentators, that it would make sense to hand out the Heisman and other awards after the bowl games are over. Tradition dies hard, but I suspect that when the Division I playoff finally happens, it will only be a matter of time until the awards will follow the end of the post-season. Strange trivia: In the early 1900’s until the 1940’s, several of the rating services awarded their “championships” after the regular season was over, but before the bowls were played. Awarding the Heisman in early December makes about as much sense.
By Stats that lie
December 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Atlanta gator,
No offense to you but those graduation rates are hiding a nasty little secret about the gator football team. Its common knowledge by recruits and in fact there was an article done by the AJC on the practice of steering. The overwhelming majority of gator players are all under the anthropology dept. They major in poly science, sociology, and criminal justice. These are 3 notoriously easy liberal arts majors. No real hard math or science there. Fla. is the worst program in the sec along with Arky when it comes to steering players into easy majors so they can pass. This is a fact and if you look up their majors selections in a program you will see this. Same thing as when I went to Auburn in the early 80s. I dated a girl who was getting her masters in family and child development. Most of her classmates were football players like Bo jackson, Brent Fullwood,etc. You get the picture. Everybody steers to some degree but UF is among the worst offenders.
By College football fan
December 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this
Atlanta Gator,
It wasn’t as much as his win loss record or his actual success as much as that when I see them play, his face doesn’t look quite as it did at Florida. maybe that has to do with won loss record, who knows.
By Wramblin' Rack
December 10, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
a waste of space on this one. there are no mysteries here nor are there any nuggets. just logical info.
By Atlanta Gator
December 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this
“Stats that lie”——Of the 113 players listed on the 2008 Gators team roster, 38 are freshmen and sophomores who are undeclared majors. Of the remaining 75, here are their majors:
(17) Social & Behavioral Sciences (9) Sociology (8) Anthropology (8) Sports Management (4) Humanities & Letters (i.e. “Classics”) (3) Exercise & Sports Physiology (3) Family, Youth & Community Service (2) Building Construction (2) Business (2) Criminology (2) Finance (2) History (2) Recreational Programming (1) Accounting (1) Art (1) Education (M.S., Graduate School) (1) Engineering (1) Food & Agribusiness Management (1) Geography (1) Health & Wellness (1) Journalism (1) Marketing (1) Physics (1) Political Science
As you can see, the most popular major is not anthropology, sociology, criminology, or political science. It’s social and behavioral sciences, which is an interdisciplinary major in the social sciences——effectively college-level social studies. BTW, my first undergraduate major was political science, so I have some knowledge of what I speak.
Last time I checked, most liberal arts classes, including those majors cited by you, required a mid-term, a final and a term paper. Classroom attendance for all varsity athletes is mandatory regardless of major. I know——I tutored economics and finance for the UAA for two years when I returned to grad school in the early ’90s. More so than most bloggers, I understand the time commitment that these kids make when they accept a scholarship.
For the record, three of the starters and one future starter are Classics scholars, including back-up QB John Brantley, LB Joe Haden, RB Chris Rainey, and WR Deonte Thompson. One of our lineman is already in graduate school. PK Jonathan Phillips will start law school in January.
You can talk about “steering” all you want, but there are nothing but good things that come from these kids actually completing a college degree. They are doing college-level work, and no one is taking their exams nor writing their tem papers for them.
Please feel free to do a little homework and report on the academics, and break down the players’ majors, for whatever team you cheer. (There do seem to be an awful lot of Communication, Housing and Psychology majors on the UGA squad.). Until then, I will remain justifiably proud of the fact that a higher percentage of UF varsity athletes complete their degrees than 10 of the other 11 SEC schools. Moreover, UF’s graduation rate has actually fallen over the last two years … almost exclusively because of the number of juniors that left early for the NFL after the 2006 championship. Next year’s UF graduation stats are likely to rise again. Enjoy.
By michael
December 10, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this
www.firemarkricht.net……time for change
By Stephen
December 10, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this
Michal, take that crap elsewhere. there is NO way you can be serious.
By You got to be kidding me
December 10, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this
To every one who hates the BCS format… there is a system already in place… the AP poll! quit paying attention to the BCS and focus on the AP and we might get true national champions again… just a thought!
By capstone man
December 11, 2008 2:03 AM | Link to this
i just love how BAMA was the picked 3rd in the WEST…how they are rebuilding…they just got off probation and are about to reclaim the SEC…they started it….they just care more…it is everything to those guys…yes, Alabama the state is smaller and such…but football is theirs compared to Georgia and other states…let UF get their a* kicked by them…just the truth.
By Tom
December 11, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this
Hey BCS Announcement, Thanks for an entertaining comment. Your analogy of the BCS and WWII was helarious. It and a good cup of coffee got my rainy Thursday morning off to a good start.
By randy
December 11, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this
RAMBLE ON, TAKES IT REAL DEEP
By CMR
December 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
GOD, I am good looking! check out my botox and butt cut hairdo! Wait till you see my new shades I wear at our bowl game that we are soooooo excited about!!!
By Hey randy
December 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
You are just jealous 45-42
By gdawginkalamazoo
December 11, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
CGC?
Why would a conference in which each team plays all the other teams need a CCG? They have the head to head game to break ties.
Because a 12-1 record beats an 11-1 record. Plus you make more money for your school and conference.
By Augusta Dawg
December 11, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
I agree with the column,besides the ole ball coach is in waiting for his retirement and his Augusta National membership as apart of the South Carolina job per Hootie………………
By TechCrybaby
December 11, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
BCS ANNOUNCEMENT, yours is rich!
My biggest WW II disappointment was GREAT BRITAIN. They did a lot of pre-season bragging, especially after Munich, and some were willing to rate them No. 1, because of their reputation and huge maritime empire. But they lost ground in the polls, by pledging to the Poles, and then not being able to help them.
Next thing you knew, they lost big games in Norway and France, causing a coaching change right in the middle of the season! They salvaged something in the air Battle of Britain, as Goering fumbled, but Greece and Crete were additional disasters. So was North Africa, until they won that one in the fourth quarter.
Sicily, Italy, France, and Germany were late-season wins, but it was far TOO late to think of a spot in the Top 25.
Post-season, a disgruntled fan base caused Coach Winnie to be fired, and the empire was dismantled. Reminds one of the humiliation of other preseason hotshots.
By Mike
December 11, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
R E L E V A N C E ???????
By WE ALL HATE YOU
December 11, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
Here’s an SEC nightmare. Bowl Armageddon, the end of the world.
Bowl Season opens with the greatest Rose Bowl in history. USC and PSU play a classic. The winner kicks a field goal to go ahead with less than a minute remaining 38-35. On the kickoff the opponent drives to just outside field goal range. The game ends with an incomplete pass into the end zone when the receiver is ruled out of bounds. Final AP ranking #1, #2, Final BCS ranking #2, #3
Utah stuns Alabama in the Sugar Bowl winning 17-3. Bama is #8 in the final rankings.
Ohio State takes the Texas Longhorn to the woodshed beating them 28-14 in the Fiesta Bowl. Ohio State finishes #4 in the BCS, and #3 in the AP
In the BSC championship Oklahoma upsets Florida in what many call the worst Bowl game ever viewed. 14-6. Florida is scoreless until 11:09 in the 4th when they score a touchdown missing the extra point. Florida finishes the season ranked #5
Tebow promises nobody in the NFL will play harder than he does to make up for the terrible way he played in his final game.
The AP splits the National Championship awarding it to…………….
By AP4GT
December 12, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
The way I see it Georgia will win this game because they are a good football team. Yeah their defense could use some work but hey they are still good. I hope this ends up like the Georgia Hawaii game last year just because I hate no name teams that think they are great. Who has MSU played this year that is any good?Penn State and Ohio State? Yeah right. Penn State and Ohio state are both going to get raped in their bowl games. Oh and by the way MSU did not beat either one of these teams. In fact they lost by more than 30 to each of these teams. I just dont think that any other conferences can match the SEC and ACC. All of the Big 12, Pac 10, Big 10, and Big East fans will really find out how bad their conferences are this year. Which it probably wont matter because the media loves them so they will keep getting raped in all of the major bowl games.
GOOOOOOOOOOO Jackets!!!!!!