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DEL.ICIO.USWhat the SEC/CBS deal really means
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Nobody asked me, but this morning I believe:
1. The CBS deal seals Mike Slive’s legacy as SEC commissioner: Slive took over in 2002 and has received high marks for helping the league clean up its image. He set the goal of having no teams on NCAA probation in five years. People were skeptical, and rightfully so. After six years only one SEC sport (Arkansas track) is still on probation. Given the competition in this league and the contact sport that is recruiting, that’s a very notable achievement.
But understand commissioners are also judged on their ability to put their conferences on sound financial footing not just now, but long after they are gone.
With Thursday’s unprecedented 15-year deal with CBS, that runs through the 2023 season, and the deals that will follow from ESPN and others, this conference proved once and for all that it is “the gold standard of college athletics” as CBS VP Mike Aresco put it.
I spoke to Slive again last night. You could hear him smiling through the phone. “We’ve got some work left to do but this is big for our conference,” he said. “But this is very important step for the Southeastern Conference. We are all very happy.”
You need to know about two other people who were heavily involved in getting this deal done. Mark Womack is Slive’s top assistant and should be the SEC commissioner when Slive retires. Chuck Gerber is a former ESPN executive who came on board this year as a consultant to help the SEC put the deal together. That’s how important it was.
Roy Kramer put the SEC on this kind of financial footing when he was commissioner from 1990-2001. Kramer was the driving force behind the BCS and the explosion of college football on TV. When Kramer took over the SEC in 1990, the league was sharing $16 million in revenue each year. Last spring the 12 SEC members shared $127 million.
Kramer brought the SEC into the modern age and now Slive has taken the baton and advanced it for another generation.
2. There will not be an SEC TV network: When I talked to Slive Thursday night he insisted that all options “are still on the table” when it comes to the possibility of the league forming its own TV network like the Big Ten.
I have no inside information but I don’t believe it will happen for one reason: The SEC doesn’t need it now.
The league obviously got the deal it wanted from CBS, giving them an exclusive national broadcast for the next 15 years. ESPN loves putting the SEC in prime time and will step up to the plate. I’m hearing ESPN would like to own the rest of the SEC’s TV rights and then be able to sell what they don’t need back to folks like Raycom, who will do the 12:30 p.m. games. To do that, ESPN would have to pay a premium. Keep your eye on that one.
The SEC has studied the distribution nightmares experienced by the Big Ten, where only 33 percent of the league’s TV sets were covered when it went to market. The SEC can’t do that.
I was joking recently when I told a Big Ten person that the distribution problems that his league had would not be tolerated in the SEC. It’s a totally different football culture.
I said: “If Illinois-Michigan is not on free TV, then your office gets a lot of nasty phone calls. If Alabama-Tennessee is not on down here, somebody’s house is going to get burned down.”
No really, I was kidding. Kind of.
Slive told me he wants to get the rest of the TV deals done in the next 20 days.
3. Forbes got it right: This week Alabama coach Nick Saban became the first college football coach to ever appear on the cover of Forbes Magazine. The headline on the cover read: “Sports’ Most Powerful Coach.” The magazine picked Saban because of his total control over every aspect of the football program at Alabama.
I agree. You can argue over who is the BEST coach in the SEC. But based on my experience there is no coach I know whose fingerprints are on every moving part of a football program the way Saban’s are at Alabama. And while that may not necessarily be a good thing at other places, at this point in Alabama’s history it is absolutely essential.
For too long there were way too many voices speaking for Alabama football. Since the death of Bear Bryant in 1983 nobody, except Gene Stallings, seemed to have complete control over the program. And as a result Alabama could not sustain the legacy left by Bryant.
There is no doubt about who is in charge at Alabama. That’s why the Crimson Tide will be good again sooner rather than later.
4. There will never be another “Hoss” Brock: Ninety-nine percent of you have never heard of Jim “Hoss” Brock, the long-time executive director of the Cotton Bowl. But I wish you had known him.
Hoss was a colorful throwback to the days when bowl deals were struck in smoke-filled rooms and a bowl executive director wasn’t a businessman, he was promoter and usually a PR genius. That was Hoss. The story of how he got Doug Flutie and Boston College for the 1985 Cotton Bowl was the stuff of legend. All of his competitors were trying to land Flutie for New Year’s Day and he found a way to get the deal done when nobody was looking. It was a crazier time and so unlike the corporate structure of the bowl business today. But it sure was fun.
Hoss Brock died yesterday at the age of 74. Those of us who have been in this business for any length of time grieve his loss and that of Dave Cawood, the long time director of the NCAA Men’s Final Four. We lost Dave in July.
The college athletics landscape that you enjoy today was built by guys like Hoss Brock and Dave Cawood. We will miss them.
5. Ben Mauk’s lawsuit does not have a chance: The former Wake Forest quarterback, who played last season at Cincinnati, is suing the NCAA to get a sixth year of eligibility. Mauk redshirted in 2003 as a freshman at Wake Forest. He played in 2004 and 2005. In 2006 he suffered a severe shoulder injury in the opening game and missed the entire season. He transferred to Cincinnati and played the 2007 season. That’s five years, which is the standard amount of time a player has to complete his four years of eligibility. The NCAA will give a sixth year if injuries force a player to miss two full seasons.
Mauk has had three hearings with the NCAA, which says there is not enough documentation to prove that Mauk missed his freshman season due to injury. Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe has written several letters to support Mauk’s case but the NCAA still says no.
The NCAA really digs in its heels on these eligibility cases. Despite an injunction against the NCAA, Cincinnati won’t use Mauk until the issue is resolved.
I personally believe Mauk deserves another year. But I don’t think he’ll get it.
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By Spike
August 15, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
I would love to see a SEC-TV network. What is the downside? Git er done!
By Jim
August 15, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
Wow, Saban is on the cover of Forbes magazine with the caption “The Most Powerful Coach in Sports”. The best recruiter in the SEC now has even more leverage. Say, what magazine cover has Tommy Tuberville been on lately? Oh, right, he was on last month’s cover of “Arkansas Duck Hunting Ilustrated” with the caption “How Coach Tuberville escapes from being embarrassed on the recruiting trail”.
By sfbdawg
August 15, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
JIM…… 6-0 That is what tt has been on!
By The Rifleman
August 15, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Saban the most powerful coach in sports?!??!
I don’t think so.
http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/kscarbinsky.ssf
By Greed is killing college sports
August 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
SEC-TV is probably never going to happen. If it did,the rights to the national free broadcast would be worth a lot less. Also, as the Big 10 (and Northwestern) found out, there are a lot of little potentates that have to be fed in the cable distribution biz.. They are the gatekeepers and the SEC needs them more than they need the SEC.
By Alex
August 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
Other than one really great season at LSU, Saban is pretty much and 8-5 coach with a losing bowl record. Sorry, but facts are facts. Enjoy your 6-6 Tide fans.
By Sweet Home Alabama
August 15, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
I have tried to tell you lamebranes this over and over.Nick Saban is like a god ,he is the coach of coachs.When he has a clinic ,guess what your coach is their.Tide will be number one again within 2 years,you can take it to the banks. \ BY THE WAY ,WE WILL PUT THAT NERD SCHOOL CLEMSON IN THERE PLACE BUT GOOD OLD FASHION SEC WHOPING.YOU BETTER STICK TO PLAYING FELLOW NERD SHCOOLS.THATS MY OPINION.
By Chris
August 15, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
Tony man, You are just a flat stinking great writer. I’ve heard rumors of you leaving the AJC and need to know where to find you.
I was driving out of town Wed am listening to sports talk discuss the Jarboe situation at Oklahoma and it simply denigrated along racial lines. When I read your column later, you brought complete clarity to the situation. Well done
By Frustrated, Inc.
August 15, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
Does anyone know if we are going to have to wait until week three for an SEC CBS telecast under the new contract? CBS is usually broadcasting US Open tennis during the first two weeks of the season. That bugs me to no end.
By The Bear
August 15, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
I think we have a lot of people still upset with Nick beacuse he beat the dogs twice in one year and then went on to win the NC. The first game was close and the second one well is was an a— whipping. The man took over a program that was very bad and turned it around with 3 years.(CMR doesn’t have a NC in 7) He is the BEST recuiter there is, just as Miles. He will bring Bama back to where they were and in doing that he will beat uga a lot. He is bad because he demands respect from players that think they can do what ever they want. The problems he has on his team now was there when he took over, just wait when he gets all the kids he has recruited in you will not see any problems like uga has. Maybe if cmr would go sit with him you he may be able to give the police a break and let them fight crime instead of uga players. uga fans better get a good supply of crying towels because starting this year Bama will own them. The Bear
By purple and gold
August 15, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
Alex
You hit the nail on the head. Being and LSU fan and loving Nick Satan when he was at LSU he really is just an average coach. Look at what all those teams at LSU did those five years he was there. 13-1 best season he had. Other than that at least 3 losses every year. Bama doesn’t understand what they really have. After this year and going 6-6 or 7-5 at best Slick Nick will be looking for and exit from Bammer real fast.
By GATORZONE
August 15, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
GIMME MY AK!!!
JK, what is going on with the UGA kicking situation?
By Alex
August 15, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
You are right, Bear. Saban will lead the Tide back to where it was … under Mike Dubose. Tee hee.
Within five years, you’ll be getting back to that Saban 8-4, bowl loss standard he’s set.
By MDawg
August 15, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
To me an SEC Network shouldn’t be that hard to pull off. The simple answer is to convert CSS’s or SportSouth into it. Because of the Braves CSS would be easier if so then make it available to DirecTV & Dish at the same rate charged (the rate the carrier has to pay) for FSS & SS. If there going to do an entirely new network then you could run into more distribution issues.
The ESPN plan sounds great but with them having Big Ten & ACC games already how are they going to fit the SEC into there schedule & still meet there other contractually obligations? Not everyone gets ESPNU, ESPNC or ESPNNEWS with there standard packages so distribution could be an issues here as well. I still think FOX could get in the game by using there cable only channels.
Tony, please explain what the CBS deal means as far as games that will be shown by them? Is there going to be a primetime game every week in addition to the normal 3:30 game? Will they start showing games from week 1 of each season?
By Bammer sucks
August 15, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
Question
What do a maggot and a Bammer fan have in common???
They both live off a dead Bear.
By sgbdawg
August 15, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
“The Bear” how many of those recruits did not make it to school this year?
By The Bear
August 15, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Alex, I have just one question for you. How many NC does your team have in the last 7 years?????????????? TEE HEE.
By RxDawg
August 15, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Question: Why didn’t Ben Mauk take a Medical Redshirt the year he was injured? Unless I’m wrong (which is quite possible) I thought you could take a redshirt year, and a medical redshirt year seperatley. I guess thats not the case though.
By SecIsFootball
August 15, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
sgbdawg….Of the 32, 2 enrolled in January counting towards last year. 2 decided to play pro-baseball which was expected. Three did not qualify. So in total, 5 did not make it to campus. I am pretty sure that Rivals and Scout have done their re-rankings and BAMA still has the #1 class. Now we need to see what they can do on the field.
To all of you fans who call Saban average, well, he has the same number of SEC titles are the Mighty Mark Richt in about the same time. He has one more than Tuberville and Tubs has been in the league longer than Saban has been at LSU and BAMA combined. He also has a NC which neither of your coaches have. Last I was told was it was about the hardware and if 2 SEC titles and a NC is average in your opinion, I will be happy with average at BAMA if he accomplished that!
By The Bear
August 15, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
sgbdawg, I will ask you the same question. How many NC does cmr have in his 7 long years at uga?????? Let me answer for you NONE and after this year it will still be NONE NONE NONE NONE.
By purple and gold
August 15, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Bear
How many NC does bamma have in the last ten years?
HAHAHA bamma sucks!!!
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
We only 2 of our recruits who we weren’t sure of qualifying didn’t make it. They will each spend 1 year in JUCO and be right back. Their positions were well stocked anyway with the other more highly rated recruits who did qualify. 25 new recruits from the nation’s number 1 recruiting class are in.
By Jake
August 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
What Silve doesn’t realize is that the SEC is NOT the Big 10. Outside of Michigan, OSU and PSU, the fan base cannot compare to that of the SEC’s.
By Sweet Homo in Alabama
August 15, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
I wanted to take the opportunity to apologize to the English speaking world on behalf of the State of Alabama, the Alabama Public School System and the University of Alabama. We Alabama fans aren’t that bright — I realize that pointing that out is as news worthy and surprising as claiming that the Earth is NOT flat, the Sun rises each morning and sets each evening, you drop an apple and it falls to the ground, etc., All one needs to do is read the comments made by fellow UA posters on this board and you will see the endless supply of stupid….poor grammar, poor ability to communicate, delusions of grandeur, infatuation with the past and with the future — but failure to deal with the present reality (i.e. we used to be good and we are coming back, but let’s ignore that we suck now and get beat by the likes of LA-Monroe), etc.,
By the way, can we get an update on the progress of Jimmy Johns? Where is he on the depth chart?
By jason
August 15, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
I’m sorry but I have the best TV with the whole HD addition and still I think CBS video quality sucks a*. Why can’t they update their picture quality with better equipment. Does anyone else have the problem? If you need proof just watch a game on ABC or NBC or ESPN and then watch one on CBS.. Its a world apart from the s** picture of CBS.. I was hoping for a SEC-TV Network so I could at least feel I was getting my moneys worth of CBS HD.. Oh well I guess I’ll just go to the games and watch it with my own HD eyes.
By Alex
August 15, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this
The same number as yours. But we do have a much better record, two SEC titles and BCS bowl wins. Any other questions, or do you want to continue to embarrass yourself?
By vama_12titles
August 15, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
If average means taking a terrible program like LSU from 8 losing seasons in 11 years to SEC CHAMPS in 2 years and 2 sec titles and an NC in 5 years than please give me average ole Saban. Also, you conveniently forget that 17 of the 22 starters on LSUs championship team last year were Saban recruits. Sorry but I just deal in facts. Fact is that he stockpiled that program for years to come before he left. He’s the best recruiter in the country. Its what he does. You dawg and Aubie fans are just ticked because you can see the return to dominance coming in very short order and there aint nothing you can do about it. Deal with it. No need to go digging up the bear. Especially when we were the 5th winningest program of the 90s when Bear had already been dead at least 10 years. I think you guys conveniently try to forget that we were a dominant force throughout the 90s, long after the bear died. The only thing that stopped us in the 2000s were probation and the coaching carousel. Newsflash! That’s over now so just deal with the inevitable rising of the Tide. Its coming. The future is ours.
By Spike
August 15, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Did the QB from Lake Worth, Fl qualify?
By SecIsFootball
August 15, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
purple and gold - How many did LSU have prior to Saban and when was the last time they won it? Wasnt it the 50’s? LSU went 40+ years, BAMA has gone 16 years without one. We can all go back and forth on these arguement all day.
By Alex
August 15, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Yeah, that LA-Monroe game really set the stage for the future and sent the whole SEC, heck, the entire college football world into a fetal position, trembling in fear for the future.
Other than one year at LSU, pretty much an 8-5 coach with a losing record.
Once you rise past that, come back and talk – rub my nose in it.
I think the Tide got taken by a snake oil salesman.
By Alex
August 15, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
Sorry, that should have been losing bowl record. But, hey, if he can get you into a third-tier bowl, that would be an improvement wouldn’t it? Baby steps.
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
Hey sweet homo, I’ll give you an update on our one bad apple Jimmy Johns when you give me an update on the 8 thUGA players arrested so far this year. While you’re at it could you also get me an update on the 7 players you had arrested last year? Could you also follow up with Odell Thurman’s ejection from the NFL? One would think that 8 years into his tenure that Saint Richt would have a handle on discipline. At least Saban is cleaning out the bad apples from the Shula era. What’s your exscuse thUGA?
By The Bear
August 15, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Alex, You were talking about Nick not Bama, St. Mark has been in ga for 7 years. wow he has won a few SEC titles(the same as nick) and some BSC bowls.(The same as Nick) but how many NC has he won in his 7 years compared to Nick in his 5 years at LSU. NoNe. So who is the better coach. NICK. Its a fact people get paid for what they do and that why cmr is at the bottom of the pay scale because they pay him for what he has done. The coach at AR is making more than him.
By Sweet Homo in Alabama
August 15, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Yeah, here is the update….none of the 8 are in jail for (drinking & fighting — I know those are unheard on the UA campus), nor will they serve any future time…meanwhile Jimmy Johns is serving as someone’s girlfriend while he awaits his Cocaine trafficking charges…Saban isn’t cleaning out the bad apples, the District Attorney and the Alabama Penal System is doing that for him — when he had chance to do something about his Cocaine dealer, he just looked the other way….and tried to figure out he could beat the LA-Monroes of the world.
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
ALex is a little lacking in his critical thinking skills! He obviously missed the part where Saban lost at home in his 1st year at LSU to UAB and then went on to win 2 sec titles and a nc in the next 4 years. Yet all you can do is harp on one game? The LA-Monroe game. That’s almost as bad as losing to Vandy and Kentucky IN THE SAME YEAR! God help us if we ever lose 2 games one should never lose IN THE SAME YEAR! Now that is freaking pathetic!
By Roll Turd !!
August 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
bama_12titties — 2 games ones should never lose IN THE SAME YEAR! Hmmmm….let me think, who has done that…oh, waith, I got it!! Nick Saban and lost to LA-Monroe and he got Croomed by Miss State in the same year, you are right, that is freaking pathetic….pathetic indeed
By GatorGuy
August 15, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
jason What TV provider do you have? I have Comcast. They squeeze the bandwidth on all non-network stations. As a result, CBS has a MUCH better picture than ESPN. I’d compare CBS to ABC but 90% of the games on ABC are not even in HD!
For Dish and Direct TV, it might be a different ball game. I’d have Direct if was not for the big a$$ tree ($1100 to remove) in my backyard directly in the way!
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
Hey Homo, I’ld rather have 1 bad apple out of 85 scholarship players than have a whole slew of guys getting in trouble for all sorts of things like feeling up pregnant woman. You never did tell me how the other 7 from last year are doing. Or how is our good buddy Odell. And if it weren’t for a lucky fumble on the 10 yard line as they were about to put the game away you would have lost 2 in a row to Vandy. We’ll learn how to beat La-Monroe when you learn to beat 2 heavyweights like Vandy and Kentucky in the same year. I think we’ve lost to Kentucky once in 36 games. It may be twice but I’m pretty sure its 36-1. How do you lose to a team like Kentucky and Vandy IN THE SAME YEAR! How does one do that?
By The Bear
August 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
Sweet Homo in Alabama. Why don’t you use your real name Sweet Homo in Athens. Jimmy Johns was seen with Carter and Odell buying his Cocaine they were able to run away before the cops got there. St.Mark has turned his head so many times with all the problems he has had thats why they have had so many getting put in jail. This is nothing new for uga. I guess it wasn’t a crime or did cmr just cover it up for the kid that caused $2,000.00 of damage. Then you have a 300lb football player that has to carry a gun for protection and that gets dropped. And how many others has cmr covered up. We can sit here all day and talk about the good and the bad on each one but at the end of the day Nick makes twice what cmr does and he has a NC something cmr will never have.
By proud dawg
August 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
Lets not start sucking each others (you know whats) just yet… Coach Saban has still not beaten Auburn and everybody in the SEC knows how impatient and intolerant they are at Ramma Jamma Ala-damn-bama!
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Are you just stupid? Miss. State also beat Auburn and went to and won a bowl game. They also beat Florida the year before in 06. That’s something you didn’t do. Also they’ve split their last 6 games with Florida. They’ve got 3 wins in 6 games over the last 20 years against UF. Come to think of it that’s the same number of wins you have against UF in the same time span. But then of course you’ve played them every year where as MISS.ST only plays them every long once in awhile. Thats kinda funny when you think about it isn’t it? Well, I guess its only funny if you’re not a dawg fan. Man are you stupid!
By SoCal
August 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately, when one thinks of the prototypical Univ. of Alabama supporter, bama_12titles stands at the front of the line…..evasive arguments and illogical garble. Congrats on the 5th best record in the 90s, that’s really neat. By the way, 12 titles?….more like 5.
By Sweet Homo in Alabama
August 15, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
bama_12titties — I admit, Saban has done wonder in T-Town, he brought home the Fulmer Cup for 2008 — well done sir! Seems as though “1 bad apple” wouldn’t do, as the old saying goes, if 1 is good, 2 must be better….so, we have Jeremy Elder — he of Armed Robbery* fame, nice!
As for learning to beat UK and Vandy, here go…. 2007 results 20-17 (GA v VU) & 24-13 (GA v UK) Now, let’s review Saban in 2007… 21-14 (LA-Monroe v UA) & 17-12 (MSU v UA) Losing to LA-Monroe and getting Croomed in back-to-back fashion no less — outstanding!!! Seems like one team learned how to not lose 2 games they should win and the other team did not. Any other suggestions you want to provide Coach Saban?
By Alex
August 15, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
Keep dreaming. Other than one year at LSU, Saban is an 8-5 coach with a losing bowl record.
By the way, Richt has a winning bowl record and has an 80 percent career winning rate. Does Nick? Uh, let’s see? Oh yeah, the answer to that is no.
Bye now dreamers.
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
Hey SoCal. What source do you want to use for number of national titles? The NCAA official media guide actually credits Bama with 17 ncs. Look it up beyotch!Its just a fact and I guess those little things bother you. Seems your logic is kinda fuzzy and full of garble. Don’t know where you got 5 from or if you just made that number up cause it sounds right to you. The school only claims 12 instead of the official NCAA number of 17. We just figure “Why quibble when you have so many?”
By GATORZONE
August 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
WHAT YOU GUYS NEED ARE A FEW MORE AK’S FOR THE PLAYERS!!
Call Urban, he can get you the hook up on how to really thug it up!
Come on, quit with the P*ssy stuff like underage drinking and fighting! Move on to real crimes like firing off semi-automatic weapons in town.
Now that’s what I call SEC Football!!!
GOOOOOO GATORS!!!!!
By GATORZONE
August 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
All these arguments on who runs the most thugs through their program are crazy!
Who knows what a 17 year old will do once he gets to college. The coaches cannot control all 100+ players and it is dumb to lay the blame at their feet.
The question is what they do afterwards, and each case should be handled individually. this junk has gone on forever and it now gets more coverage. That is the only difference.
All of that being said, it is really disappointing that UM allows the AK shooting Punk another chance.
No program is perfect, they all have flaws, so it is stupid to continue debating who recruits thugs.
THEY ALL DO!
By ED
August 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
I would not think either UGA or Alabama would have any hate left to use on each other. After all, we both despise auburn, detest tech and hate tenn. We play each other on a rotation…pace yourselves for the REAL hate.
BTW…Pete Carrol is the most powerful coach. NCAA STILL has done NOTHING about the Bush issue. If that was ANY SEC school there would already be lost schollys.
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
Hey Homo, What’s the big deal about beating Tennessee? Why do you say that? Also, are you just stupid when you mock us for losing to Miss. St. Croom went 8-5 last year, won his bowl, and beat Urban Meyer 2 years ago and before that he beat Ron Zook. That’s something Richt never did. Yet you sit there like an ignorant jack__! and make fun of a coach who has beaten a team twice in 4 years that you’ve beaten 3 times in 20 years. Try learning a little about other SEC programs before you mock them you freaking ignoramus.
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
I feel sorry for anyone who has made the decision to not be an Alabama fan. Obviously you do not have to go there to be a fan…99% of our fans never graduated Pre-K. All you have to do is route for the Tide, and you now have 12 National Titles under your belt. You are 20 times more important than anyone around you because you are now an extension of Forbes most powerful coach. You are even awarded a special place next to God when you die…all from the entitlement that comes with saying “ROLL TIDE!”. Why would anyone subject themselves to being anything other than a Bama fan…we are better than everyone in the world! The Dali Lama. . not a Bama fan. . he sucks.
By Alex
August 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
Just one more needle before starting my weekend (it’s good to be boss):
– Mike Dubose (Ha ha)
– Dennis Franchione (Har Har)
– Mike Price (Oh, stop, my sides are hurting!)
– Mike Shula over Sylvester Croom (Whoo. I can’t catch my breath!)
– Nick Saban (cue trailer queens to shout, “Oh man, we love hilm! WHOOO HOO!)
No wonder y’all are so touchy. Ha ha ha ha.
By ED
August 15, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
bama-12titles…..
The NCAA does not recognize D1 football champions. It is a poll, not a tournament. look it up….
farmers almanac should not count, but count it if you must
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Gatorzone, You do have a point. It is useless to discuss who has the most thugs. Everybody has players who get into trouble. The ? is what does the coach do about it and does he get the program cleaned up within a certain amount of time. We could go back and forth all day on this and I actually thing our biggest rival Tubberville runs the cleanest program as far as disciplining his players goes. I will give credit where it is due. I don’t really like getting into this. But its just odd that anytime I read an AJC article on Bama inevitably I see all these warrantless, nasty posts from UGA fans about Bama and then I just have to put them in their place. Those in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks. We don’t even hate UGA. We are indifferent to them since we don’t consider them a rival. Our rivals are Auburn, Tennessee, and then LSU to a lesser degree. Almost all Bama fans actually root for UGA in the east over Florida and Tenn. So we never do understand where all the uga hate comes from.
By Sweet Homo in Alabama
August 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
bama_12titties Got it! Thanks for the update. Now I better understand the SEC pecking order. Bama has gotten Crommed 2 straight years, and by you account, we should respect them as the vaunted power that they are with 14 bowl trips in their history, 481-519-39 overall record and 3-9 ‘06 record and 7-6 ‘07 record….this speaks to the depths to which Bama football has sunk, we know bow down to the titans of CFB in Starkville….thank goodness The Bear is not around to witness this….sad, REALLY sad
By SecIsFootball
August 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
Alex…It is LSU fans like you that make your fan base look truly pathetic when it comes to coach Saban. You can bring up bowl records and overall recerds all you want. You know what he did do. He made LSU a relevant program from the joke you guys were in the 1990’s. While we have had a bad run at BAMA the last 10 years, we also have 3 10 win season and no where near the 7 our of 10 losing seasons LSU had. Saban won you your first NC in over 40 years and also won 2 SEC titles. Something I am pretty sure you hadnt seen since the 80’s. Oh year, he also set the table for the success that LSU is having now. No I am not crediting Saban for the NC that LSU won this year but Miles should credit Saban for leaving LSU in the incredible shape that it was in. You could have hired Ed Orgeron and he could have won with the talent LSU had and still maintained their recruiting. So, slam Nick Saban all you want. If not for him, LSU would have still been the Ole Miss of the SEC west!
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
Alex, enjoy your weekend. While you’re laughing about Dubose, Franchione, I’ll have a good laugh over Donnan, Ray Goof, etc.
As for you Ed I don’t know where you get the Farmer’s almanac from. I just deal in facts and official sources like the OFFICIAL NCAA MEDIA GUIDE. Is there something about OFFICIAL u don’t understand? And BTW, u root for a team. Not route. Route would be a highway, road, path, etc. That pre-K education helps me correct no education at all fans like yourself. Bp superstar, I’m glad to see u recognize our glory and our tradition. For a second there I thought you were just being sarcastic but then I realized u must have actually done a little research and just jumped on the bandwagon. Its amazing what a little football education will do for you. But you need to work on your wit. Saying that 99% of us didn’t graduate pre-k is a little juvenile. Come on. U can do better than that. Can’t u?
By SecIsFootball
August 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
Alex….Arent you a fan of the same program that hired Curly Hallman and Gerry Dinardo. Seems you have very little room to make fun of any other coach.
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Because I am a Bama fan, my poo smells like French Toast…it really is amazing!
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
The craziest thing just happened to me!! I just got a 15% raise at work! My boss said it was because Nick Saban is the most powerful coach in the world. ROLL TIDE!!!
By SecIsFootball
August 15, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
Sweet Homo….Yes, BAMA football has gone done significantly since the probation. We screwed up and are paying the price. However, before you go making fun of UA for losing to State, didnt you guys lose at home last year to a SC team that didnt make it to a bowl game. We lost to a team that had a winning record and a bowl win. Just kind of shows that every now and then a team that probably shouldnt win a game against a team that should be better does. Shall I bring up the year UGA lost to UK and Vandy in the same season? Does that make Richt any worse of a coach or UGA any worse of a program. Perhaps I should bring up LSU’s loss to UAB in Sabans first year and then him reeling in top recruiting classes the next 4 years and winning 2 SEC titles and a NC!
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
bama_12titles. . did you go get your automatic raise from your boss yet? There is no way your boss can say no. Explain to him/her the “process”, give a mean glare, and say ROLL TIDE. MONEY TIME!!!
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
Hey Homo, I never said we were the titans of college football. I’m simply establishing the fact that before you put down someone like Miss. St. you should take note that they’ve been a helluva lot more successfull against your biggest rival UF than you have. Truth hurts don’t it. Let me help correct you again though. Miss. State was 8-5 in 07 not 7-6.I guess I should have likewise bowed down to Vandy and Kentucky both when they both took you down IN THE SAME YEAR only 2 short years ago. Those 2 are truly SEC juggernauts. Do we even need to go into their alltime records and bowl futility? I guess those teams are also truly titans going by your logic or lack therof?
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
Sweet Homo. . we do have a NC under Saban…The 2008 National Championship of Recruiting! They are hanging a banner in Bryant Stadium at our second home game against Western Kentucky.
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
Come on BP Superstar! Say something witty or at least something semi-intelligent. I know u can do it! I’m rooting for ya!
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
BP superstar, Thanks for the last post. That was mildly amusing and actually made me chuckle a little bit. I’m not being sarcastic either. I’m my own boss but if I had a boss I would take your advice and glare at him, explain “the process”, and demand a raise. Oh, and I would say roll tide!
I just knew you had it in you to say something funny or at least somewhat intelligent. Good job boy!
By SoCal
August 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
Bamer_12, actually its 7. Most outside of Tuscalooser don’t count split polls or #1 rankings before bowl game losses. Not sure how logic can be full of garble. I’ll have to think about that one. Sorry to ruffle your feathers about the championship stuff. The point of my post was regarding your persona.
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
bama_12titles. . why attack a fellow Bama brethren? All I am trying to do is point out to this lower race of human the greatness of Nick Saban. You are probably not even a real Alabama fan! Go back to your cow college you traitor!
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
SoCal. . it is not a persona. We are Alabama…We are better than you! It really is a great felling!
By Ted
August 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
Alex-
Hold on there. You likely work for me. You sorry sack of crap.
Go Tech
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Hey SoCal, Actually you would be incorrect. A lot of people actually do count split championships. Its the same reason southern cal fans will tell you they won the title in 2003 and LSU fans will tell u the same. Also, Nebraska and Michigan also both claim titles for 97 even though they split it. I could go on and on. If they split the title does that mean nobody won a national title that year as in 1997? As for winning a championship and then losing a bowl but still finishing #1 those tend to even out and we did win one title that way but we also got screwed out of a couple of others because of bias against the segregationist south in the 60s and even into the 70s. Kinda like our 1966 team. They finished undefeated, they were the 2 time defending champions, but still finished 3rd after #1 Notre Dame and #2 Mich. St started out the season #1 and #2 and played to a tie but didn’t drop in the rankings. This was Bear Bryant’s best team ever yet they got screwed because of bias. It evens out and probably evened out not in our favor. Do a little research socal. I say lets just choose an OFFICIAL source such as the NCAA OFFICIAL MEDIA GUIDE. What bean counter or source do you want to choose and why?
By purple and gold
August 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
bama_12titles
You may be better than SoCal but your not better than La Monroe!
HAHAHAHAHA
Only Bammer is the one that says Bammer has 12 titles. Besides UA hasn’t been realivant since 1992..Stop living off your dead Bear. You haven’t been s*t lately and that will continue with Slick Nicky Saban *cough DOUCHE cough
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
Hey SoCal. U probably don’t like my persona because of my highjacked post at 1:57. Someone just highjacked my handle and is just messing with you. Its probably BP Superstar that stole my handle though I’m not sure. Either way u can tell its not me because the idiot doesn’t know how to spell the word feeling.
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
I am gay. I’m also kinda stupid and juvenile and I get upset cause people make fun of me. I caint spelll niether.
By purple and gold
August 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Also the NCAA record book only has you down for 10 NC titles not 12..
By I dont care
August 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Here is something you cockroaches need to learn, lets take Bamas mnc’s away from them and just count what around the south really matters. Where does the SEC Titles by team rank over history?
I don’t know, can someone elaborate?
For those of you who laugh at their record last year, laugh at the 4 mil, etc, etc, etc, remember one thing everyones parents told them growing up, HE WHO LAUGHS FIRST WILL NOT LAUGH LAST
You know, and you know they are making their way back, and it turns your stomach.
Seeing how Bama gets treated, I can’t wait to see them on top again.
Sincerly, I dont care
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
Hey Purple and gold, That wasn’t my post to socal at 1:57. That was some idiot that doesn’t know how to spell. Kinda like you. The word is relevant. Must be the swamp gas down there in the dump. Sorry, I meant swamp. Its the swamp gas that must have retarded your growth so that you don’t know proper grammar. Also, do we need to tally all the loser teams LSU has lost to in their history. Or do we just need to count the head to head record of 44-25 in favor of Bama. Not even close. You weren’t relevant till Saban got there and now that we are back you can now return to the swamp much where you have traditionally dwelled. And BTW, there are a few people more than bama fans who recognize 12 nat’l titles. As I’ve already noted the OFFICIAL NCAA MEDIA GUIDE credits us with 17. But again, why quibble over mere numbers when you have so many?
By SecIsFootball
August 15, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
purple and gold…it is good to see another LSU fan who is still bitter about Saban leaving your team!! Thank God you are only now a small minority of people who still feel scorned by him!
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
HEY, I just came back from my free Roll Tide entitled lunch, and someone hijacked my name. I think bama_12titles is really a 12 year old Auburn fan.
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
If purple and gold is really interested we can forget about mythical nat’l titles and just count unanimous and stick with 7 or as he incorrectly claims we can stick with the 10 the he thinks the NCAA says we have. Or if we count SEC titles we can count 21 and I think LSU has 8. It aint much and never was much until Saban got there. Head to head its 44-25. I honestly try not to be a jerk about history, tradition, all that crap. What gets me started is when someone for no apparent reason just starts ragging on Bama out of nowhere with the petty insults. Crap like go dig up the bear, blah, blah. Some fans from different schools can have intelligent posts about different teams and the season ahead. Some like purple and gold or BP superstar just start talking trash for no apparent reason. Oh well.
By purple and gold
August 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
AWWWWW I think we hurt his feeling so bad that he changed his name..
HAHAHAHAHA
By Bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
BP superstar. Me? Steal your handle? That would be juvenile thing to steal someone’s handle. I’m sure whoever did it probably just did it once to teach you a lesson. You are a superstar so I’m sure it wouldn’t happen again! BTW, what do u mean by an entitled lunch? Doesn’t make any sense just like a lot of your other posts.
By purple and gold
August 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
So very sorry Mr. Webster. I will go sit in my room and never come out again. I fourgett yous Bama fanz r the berst at speelings.
Shams ooon meez!
By Ronald
August 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
bama-(i’ve drunk)12 brews wrote: “now that we are back”
That’s rich. You aren’t anywhere but headed for 6-6. And, like others before have mentioned, if Saban reaches his standard, you’ll be 8-5 in a few years.
By ED
August 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
bama 12titles…
1st
I have nothing against Alabama, I actually root for the team. Great history, I wish my team had as many great years.
2nd
It is listed on the NCAA website as a REFERENCE because of the popularity. That is why they list the SELECTING ORGINIZATION. If you check DII and DIII, you will notice it is just the record listed. If it was OFFICIAL it would just list the NC.
Point of reference…when techs women won the National Championship last year the story was…tech wins FIRST NCAA NC, because the NCAA did not recognize their football championships!
It is called the MNC for a reason.
3rd
I did not type route and I need neither a lesson in spelling nor in the meaning of words. Give people a break on typos…this aint no term paper bro.
By UGA Grad
August 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
bama_12titles
Its very easy for fans to do things like that because Bama can’t get out of the past. Just look at how people wear that plaid hat that was worn by the Bear. Its bama fans that can’t let him go and die.
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
Hey Ronald, We’re not completely back yet but we are on our way. If Saban’s standard is 2 secs and 1 national title in 5 years like he did at a doormat program like LSU then I will gladly take the standard. You have to also use some common sense and realize that whenever he took over a program it was always a program that was on a downcycle to begin with and that it takes a couple years to build up a program that’s down. Look how bad LSU was before he got there. They had 8 losing seasons in 11 years and they hadn’t beaten us in our house since 1969 and we played there every other year. Hell, we felt so comfortable playing in “our house” in Baton Rouge that we went 17-0-1 from 1969 until when Saban finally beat us there in 2002. We even played there 2 years in a row when the SEC split into divisions because we felt so comfortable down there. Total domination and that’s the kind of total domination that purple and gold remembers and which he knows is about to return. That’s why he fears Bama so much. People don’t readily forget as_ beatings in their own house over 32 years. That’s why purple and gold is scared out of his wits.
By ED
August 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
BTW…
As far as the SEC titles…you are correct.
The facts are the facts…no dispute. Tradition says Alabama is 1st and EVERYONE else will be 2nd, for my lifetime anyway.
I wish the Dawgs could claim it.
By BP Superstar!
August 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Actually bama_12titles, my point really was to dummy down the conversation. See, what we had was a rational college football conversation. But once a Bama fan joined, everyone knew the conversation would immediately become irrational…so why not have fun with it. And HOLY COW did you come through for everyone. I have sent your comments to as many people as possible…so we could all have a good laugh on a Friday afternoon. Thank You Bama Fan…you are always there for us!
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Hey BP Superstar,
Actually u need to go back and look at your posts. There was nothing about rational football conversation. It was nothing but a series of silly little insults. Not a thing about football. Show me one post where you actually posted something about the upcoming season. All u did was hurl childish insults. Nothing of substance whatsoever. And that’s a real shame that u have nothing better to say. Pass this on to as many people as u want. I would love for them to go back and see nothing but little juvenile insults and putdowns by you. Absolutely not one iota of rational discourse.
By purple and gold
August 15, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
Actually Bama
I am not scared of your team at all. Bama is going to get us sooner or later, I know that and so does every other LSU fan. Ok if we throw out MNC your right bama has a very large lead on the next team, I will give you that but bama hasn’t even been near the SECCG in ten years, I know some of those were while you were on probation. Look take your panties out for your @sscrack and calm down b/c you will get LSU one of these days and it just won’t be this year.
By bama_12titles
August 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
hey purple and gold,
I’m pretty calm over here. I did get a kick out of u telling me to take my panties out of my @crack. lmao and I’m not even being sarcastic. We’ve been down in the early 2000s due to probation but my only point is that while we haven’t been anywhere near our traditional standards we haven’t been that dang bad either. We won the west in 02 but it was the first year of probation so we couldn’t go. We posted 10 wins in 05 and 99 and maybe one other season but the point is we’ve still had at least 3 10 win seasons in the last 9 years, a couple losing seasons during the worst of the probation, and a few ho hum Independence bowl 7 win seasons. Incidentally we were co-champs in 2005 with both u guys and Auburn but out of the 3 Lsu had the tiebreaker so you guys went to the SEC title game. So its not like we haven’t been at or near the top in forever. We spent half the 05 season ranked 3rd and it wasn’t till we lost the OT game against your boys that we fell from 3rd in the country. I’m not even worried about getting LSU. Auburn and Tenn. are our 2 biggest rivals.
By bamabear
August 15, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
It means we get to watch LSU kick UGAs a* on TV….
By Who Cares
August 15, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
Nick Saban is an average coach? Saban’s career record as a collegiate head coach is 99-48-1.
Hate Saban and Bama all you want the truth is Bama finally got a good coach and as the great recruiting classes keep coming, so does the Bama turnaround.
By Tony Barnhart
August 15, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this
To the question about the CBS contract. The games will continue to start on the third Saturday of the season because of the CBS commitment to U.S. Open tennis.
There will be one prime time game per season on CBS. The rest of the games will start at 3:30 p.m., Eastern time.
The biggest change is that CBS will get the No. 1 pick of games every week. In the past ESPN got to pick first three times per season. That is how ESPN got the Florida-Auburn game last season.
Tony B.
By War Eagle
August 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
Tony, how can you have your hands all over the program as Miami and Bama , lose 15 games in two years.including a LAMonroe defeat ? Its like Sports Illustrated stated: HE IS ON THE HOT SEAT AT ALABAMA, a loss to Tulane, Miss State and Auburn this year, he`s GONE…7-5 at the very best…see Suitcase in Duck country
By UGA vs. SEC
August 15, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this
thUGA is 7-6 in their last 13 SEC games
it’s gonna be fun to watch this overrated group of thugs fall to earth. Stafford will be drafted in 09 and so will Noeshowan. that will be that.
UGA loses to Spurrier, Meyer, and Miles this year. Possibly Az State. And once again, loses the SEC east. No wonder UGA has won only 2 SEC titles in the past 25 years. Lame
By Alabam DUH!
August 16, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this
I find it hilarious that all these supposed Alabama fans are touting how great their coach is based on winning a NC…….AT ANOTHER COLLEGE! DUH!!! What has St. Nick done at Bama? Nada. Go ahead, brag about your “top” recruiting class. You can’t sign 30 players every year. And just how many passed Bama’s “rigorous” acceptance standards? Face it Bamer fans, NO coach can lose to LA Monroe and NOT be on the hot seat. Saban will be begging to get out of the SEC in the next 2 years.
By KIds game
August 16, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Hey Tony, wanna know why the SEC is so popular? Because following CFB is a good excuse to not work. Southerners are the most unproductive people on earth and CFB is a good excuse to goof off and chat about it. I had to fire a guy last year because he was spending so much time texting his friends about recruiting. Real men don’t waste productive time on such childish foolishness. You’re right, in Big Ten country, people would get upset, but more important things (like doing your job right) take the forefront.
By Tiger Bait
August 16, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
Anthony,
Isn’t it time for you to get your noise out of Nick’s butt?
By T
August 16, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
The SEC has cleaned up its image??? When?? Come on Tony, you usually call it straight, but you are smoking crack on this one. Only one team on probation… sort of a dubious honor huh… the SEC has a terrible image (except Florida !) Look at the SEC and you find arrests, arrests, arrests, …Fulmer cant go to the SEC meeting without being served with a warrant.. you have kids playing that shouldnt even be in college.. cleaned up its image.. I dont think so !
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August 17, 2008 7:27 AM | Link to this
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By Roper
August 17, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
If there was a SEC channel, I don’t think it would be part of a basic cable package. You would have to pay out the arse to watch it.
And what’s the deal with the non-stop homophobic language. Is this just an SEC phenomenon, or more of a general football fan mind set?
By TROTTINGHOMETUDD
August 17, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
THIS IS ONE HECK OF A STORY TONY B.
I HAVEN’T READ ANY BETTER.
KUDOS SOUTHERNBROTHERN !!!!!!!!!
By greg6363
August 17, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
In lieu of an SEC Network, I think you will see the non-revenue sports aired on the CBS College Sports channel (formerly CSTV).
By exit308
August 18, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
FYI: Nick shared the NC with Pete Carroll of USC, so you should say he shared a NC he did not win the NC out right!!!
By murfdawg
August 19, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Tony, If all the good SEC games will be on CBS for the next 15 years, does this mean that Penn Wagers and his crew will officiate all these games? I haven’t seen such poor and biased officiating since the old days of the split crews form the ACC. Also, is there anything Evans and Richt can do to prevent Wagers and his crew form calling a UGA game? Thanks Murfdawg