AJC > Sports > Blog > Archives > 2008 > May > 16 > Entry
DEL.ICIO.USIs Saban “getting around” recruiting rules?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
It’s another “Free-Wheeling Friday” and inquiring minds want to know:
1. Why the fuss over Saban’s use of technology? So the NCAA passes a rule that head coaches can’t visit high school recruits during the May evaluation period. But phone calls and any kind of electronic communication are acceptable. So Nick Saban, the Alabama head coach, sets up video conferencing, which is clearly within the rules. Then come the charges that Saban is “getting around” the rule. No, no, no. That is using technology to work within the rules. The rule was put into place because of the inability to enforce the “bump rule” where head coaches could see but not talk to recruits. Fine. But coaches are being held responsible for the character of the people they recruit. If technology allows them to make a better character evaluation of a potential recruit, then why not use it? Guys like Saban and Urban Meyer are great recruiters because they stay ahead of the curve and embrace the technology. So don’t be surprised if the NCAA eventually bans video conferencing with recruits.
2. Will Ryan Perrilloux last the entire season at Jacksonville State? The former LSU quarterback and the MVP of the 2007 SEC championship game is down to his last strike. Dismissed by Tigers coach Les Miles, Perrilloux has signed with Jacksonville (Ala.) State, a Division I-AA team, where he will be eligible immediately and will certainly be the starter this fall.
Perrilloux does have this going for him. Jacksonville State is coached by a veteran in Jack Crowe, who has worked at Clemson and Auburn and has been the head coach at Arkansas. He has worked with SEC caliber athletes. Perrilloux has to know that if he puts up good numbers at the I-AA level, somebody will use a draft choice on him. If he blows this chance, he’ll be too toxic to touch.
It would be a shame to see so much talent go to waste. We can only wish the young man good luck.
3. Is Southern Cal in trouble? I’ve been reading that the allegations that Southern Cal basketball star O.J. Mayo had his hand out (surprise, surprise) combined with the allegations involving USC running back Reggie Bush will surely put the Trojans in NCAA jail. Not so fast, my friend. Understand that these issues deal with agents, not boosters. The NCAA has clear rules that schools are charged with the responsibility of controlling their boosters. The agent thing is much more difficult to pin down. For the school to be punished in these cases, the NCAA has to prove that the school KNEW about it and did nothing. That is tough standard to prove.
4. Is anyone else sick of the Rich Rodriguez story? Every day there seems to be something new. Rodriguez was pressured to sign his contract with West Virginia by the governor. Rodriguez wanted his wife to write stuff for his website. West Virginia didn’t keep their promises to Rich Rod. The governor of West Virginia might be brought in for a deposition. Enough already. Will somebody at Michigan step up and write a check to West Virginia and end this thing? From what I’m reading there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides. West Virginia says Rodriguez owes them $4 million for bolting to Michigan. Split the difference, write West Virginia check for $2 million, and let’s be done with this foolishness. Michigan cannot want this to go to trial.
5. Memphis to the Big East? How would that work? There have been reports this week that Memphis could be a candidate to leave Conference-USA and join the Big East. Given the success of the Memphis basketball program that might make sense but here is the reality. The Big East has its hands full now managing a 16-team basketball league and an eight-team football league. Unless a basketball-only school, like Notre Dame, leaves there is no room. Besides, the next school that the Big East will probably consider as a football member is Central Florida, which was in the running when the league added South Florida several years ago.
Comments
By The Troof
May 16, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
Satan and Herban sell their soul and promise the moon. Sad thing is kids will actually believe them.
By Tech Hater
May 16, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
Georgia Tech’s opener against Jacksonville State just got alot more interesting. Perriloux is better than anything they will see in the ACC this year. How does an 0-4 start sound Tech fans? Look at the schedule. Crazier things have happened.
By ksa2b
May 16, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
FIRST!
By ksa2b
May 16, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
FIRST!
By Fred
May 16, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
1) It’s called “Saban Envy”.
2) Yawn
3) USC is dirtier than any SEC school in recruiting. They are like the Miami of the west.
4) Rich Rod or UM should pay the $4M and be done with it. They knew he had the buyout when he signed the contract. Do you think UM would let someone out of their buyout?
5) Yawn no. 2
By Jim
May 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Southern Cal won’t get in trouble because they are Southern Cal, it has nothing to do with agents v boosters. Two sports, two spotlighted athletes…both taking money from agents while in school. If this was any other school, the NCAA would already be setting up a satellite office on campus. But not USC. They are protected.
By Dawg Hater
May 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Oh yea, PJ is shaking in his boots for the home opener let me tell ya. I think you need to worry about your first game because Hatch will bring it to Athens, count on it!
By shane #1
May 16, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
1- Saban is ahead of the curve on this one. He is not breaking any rules. I am more concerned with His oversigning. Why not limit schools to signing 27, since only 25 scholarships can be given. That way a school can be covered if a couple of guys don’t qualify, but programs will be forced to take more care with the players they recruit. I do not like the scattergun approach to recruiting. 2- Maybe Ryan has had a lesson in humility that will make Him settle down and go to work. I hope that will be the case, but somehow I doubt it. I am sure Miles had several talks with the young man explaining what was expected of Him, so far he hasn’t listened. 3- I applied to USC for a compliance officer posistion and was told I was over qualified, so I had keep My old job, as a WWE referee. USC makes too much money to be in trouble, so the NCAA will put San Jose State on probation. 4- I read that UWVA had six lawyers show up the other day when to give a deposistion. Six lawyers! Settle for Pete’s sake. It would be cheaper to let RichRod keep the money than to pay six lawyers! 5- I hear that there may be a split coming in the Big East between the football schools and the basketball schools. If that is the case it may not be a bad idea for Memphis to join the Big E now.
By Haywood Jablowme
May 16, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
If it’s within the rules now, it probably won’t be in the next couple of years.
Total waste of talent. This guy is a knuckelhead.
They may be in trouble, but I am sure it will be white-washed and swept under the rug.
Yes, Yes, YES!! Could somebody PLEASE make the Rich Rod crap go away? This whole thing has got to be an embarrassment to both schools.
Does Memphis St. still play football? I thought they only had a basketball team there.
By azcat225
May 16, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
It’s not fussing, it’s whining. Working within the rules is not breaking them.
“No” is my guess. Given his track record, a better question would be whether Perrilloux will last long enough to be the qb for JSU’s season opener. I’m a big believer in second chances; on rare occasions, even a third chance; this kid used his up a while ago. I’ll save my good luck wishes for some one who deserves them.
No, Southern Cal has always been treated with kid gloves. At best, they might get the dreaded letter of reprimand put into their file. Oh, the horror…
Yes. But Tony, you have to realize this is the new milennium. Compromise, negotiation, tolerance, middle ground—-those are all dirty words nowadays. Get with it, my friend. Everything is black and white, with absolutely no shades of gray; it’s my way or the highway; insert any other “principled” cliche you wish to here.
It wouldn’t. Another midnight hotel lounge rumor that will die in two days. Reporters really shouldn’t drink so much—-bad for the career and the liver.
By Roswell Ed
May 16, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
One. Saban=snake oil salesman.
Give him credit. He works it harder than a one legged cat trying to bury a +urd on a frozen pond.
Two. This guy reminds me of MV7. Is it 4:20 yet?
Three. Who sez they don’t have a professional football team in LA?
Four. Rodriguez is a fool if he or his agent don’t understand what a buyout clause is. He seems very Sabanish/Patrinoish doesn’t he? Very slippery.
Wasn’t he Bammers 1st choice a few years ago? They ended up with his twin.
Thank goodness that Jetgate was a failure.
Rod is the exact opposite of what Michigan fans think of as a Mich man. I just don’t see it lasting long.
Five. You’d have better luck naming teams that don’t play bball in the Big East.
East Carolina seems like a good fit.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tony I wrote your column for you yesterday on Wed and I’ll do it for you again for next week.
There has not been enough press on the coaches that will tour the Middle East next week.
Weis, Richt, Shannon, Tuberville and the Yale coach will tour military bases all next week. They’ll meet troops and do things like coach flag football games that are played between our fine men and women in the Armed Forces.
Tuberville said it best:
“I’m looking forward to the opportunity to spend time with the troops in the Middle East. They have made so many sacrifices to help protect our country and this is a small way that I, along with the other coaches on the tour, can say ‘thank you.’ I know we’ll get to visit with a lot of college football fans and hope to see several Auburn Tigers along the way.”
God bless our country, our troops and these men.
Would anyone like to hear me rant on p-w@ste libs? It is free wheelin’ Fri.
USAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSA
By Mike the Tiger
May 16, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
I disagree that coaches like Saban, Myer and Richt are concerned with the character of players. Their only concern is talent. This article makes Perriloux sound like a real criminal. His offenses were minor when compared to dangerous thugs like Ellerbe and Thurman. It appears that Florida may be gaining on Georgia in quantity and nature of criminal behavior. Using a dead person’s credit card is a new one.
By AltamahaDawg
May 16, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
Who exactly are the folks complaining about Saban on a video call?
Count me in the list of people tired of hearing about it.
By Hairy
May 16, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
SABAN SUX TECH SUX
UGA IS THE BEST!!!
By shane #1
May 16, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Azcat225, if reporters quit drinking the newspapers would suffer for lack of copy. Midnight hotel lounge rumors are know in the trade as “scoops”. Like the reporter that broke the story of the Patriots taping the Rams in Their walk through. Now that’s news!
By Scott
May 16, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
Shane #1, Saban oversigned yes but he did so with a plan. A couple of the players enrolled in school early (like the GT transfer) and counted against last year’s scholarships which Bama had extra because of medical hardships. One or two are coming in on the Bryant scholarship which is awarded to children of past Alabama athletes. There’s another one or two that will greyshirts. And another one or two that are likely academic casualties.
So, it isn’t really a shotgun approach.
And no, Saban isn’t skirting the rules but he will have an inordinate amount of attention to everything he does while at Alabama. He’s in the ultimate fishbowl now. At a recent Alumni/booster event, Saban commented that while at LSU he never got reported for any recruiting violations. He was turned in for 20 last spring alone. Someone reported Alabama simply because a former Alabama QB was at the press conference when a QB recruit recently announced he was verbally committing to Alabama.
By Foster Keats
May 16, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
Thanks Tony, sor actually making sense of the recruiting thing, and taking up for saban…
All the UGA red necks hate him b/c he’s gonna be whipping their tails soon enough…
If USC gets away without any penalities, I’ll drive to Indy and slap Myles Brand in his fat face…
By Clamor
May 16, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Mike the Tiger, don’t forget that Meyer immediately threw the criminal punk off the team for using the dead student’s credit card. No second chance in that instance.
By Hairy
May 16, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Alabama will not be close to UGA’s talent anytime soon. Saban will wish he was stil at Miami.
UGA NATIONAL CHAMPS 08!!!
WE WERE ROBBED LAST YEAR!
By shane #1
May 16, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Mike the Tiger, What article did You read? I just re-read Tony’s blog and no where did he say anything about criminal activity. The only person that used the words criminal and thug was You. One post called Ryan a knucklehead. What would You call Him? I think most of what He did was minor, but Miles suspended Him several times and He would not get with the program. This was a kid that had the starting qb slot on the defending BCS championship team and a fast track to NFL millions and would not listen to His coach. Miles even stated that He had set some standards for Perriloux to meet to be back on the team and had explained what He expected out of Ryan. The kid knew what He had to do and didn’t do it. That is a knucklehead! To call Ellerbe a dangerous thug is unfair, He got in trouble a couple of years ago, was suspended, and has stayed out of trouble since. The difference in Him and Perrilloux is that when His coach layed down the law, Ellerbe LISTENED!
By gary
May 16, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Saban reminds me of a kid in the back seat of a car on the family trip with his finger right in his sister face saying “I’m not touching you”. He is an arrogant little prick that know he is following the letter of the rule but not the rules intent. The only way to deal with children like that is to smack them and hopefully the NCAA will do it. Some coaches care about the kids, some just think of this as a business. The players learn the difference eventually. It will catch up with him and the University of Alabama will once again pay the price of putty winning above all else.
God bless Mark Richt who is a kind caring man. Coach’s this special are hard to find. Talented, yet humble. The players are lucky to have a guy like him and you can hear it when they talk about him. He is more than a coach to many of them. He runs the team like a family, not a business. Win or loose it has become a model program for the SEC. Wouldn’t trade him for anybody, and I hope we all have many more happy years together. Good luck Bama, you have a long bumpy road ahead.
By azcat225
May 16, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Couldn’t agree more, shane#1. I long for the days where it was “Just the facts, ma’am.” And to think my daughter is a journalism major; I still love her any way.
And Tony, I know you’re not the webmaster for the AJC, but I for one am getting more than tired of that godawful GT ad popping open every time I come to the sports page. I have no doubts that Johnson will make Tech a better team but to call that man plain-looking is being kind.
By falconfan42
May 16, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
HEY UGA Fan Hairy. Here is an idea for all you stupid 1 National Championships school since 19 freakin 80. Why don’t we go ahead and give you the trophy for this year…. And you not even play the schedule!!!!! Earn it before you run your mouth….ROLL TIDE!!!! 21 SEC Championships!!!! 12 National Championships!!!! ROLL TIDE ROLL
By falconfan42
May 16, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
HEY UGA Fan Hairy. Here is an idea for all you stupid 1 National Championships school since 19 freakin 80. Why don’t we go ahead and give you the trophy for this year…. And you not even play the schedule!!!!! Earn it before you run your mouth….ROLL TIDE!!!! 21 SEC Championships!!!! 12 National Championships!!!! ROLL TIDE ROLL
By Tre
May 16, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Hairy, how could UGA be robbed last year, when you couldnt even win your division inside the conference?
By Spike
May 16, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
Saban say or do something that is less than candid or misleading? Say it ain’t so!! Signed the Miami Dolphin fans.
By DawgSpanky
May 16, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
Once again the UGAy ‘necks have sullied this blog. Worry about your large Cow College instead. The rest of the country has little respect for UGAy football.
By Fort Worth Dog
May 16, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
Rich Rodriguez - “a deal is a deal”. No one held a gun to his head when he signed the contract. If he pays anything less than what he owes you send the signal that delaying and whining will save you $2 million. I hope UWV’s attorneys are doing pro bono work and I hope Coach Rodriguez’ attorneys are putting him through the wringer at a minimum of $400 an hour.
Roswell Ed - great callout on the Coaches visiting our troops. The troops get paid nothing and have to do extrememly dirty work. I look forward to reading several in-depth stories in the AJC about Coach Richt and the UGA football players who I believe are returning today from their mission trip in Honduras, I believe.
You just can’t say “using a dead girl’s credit card” enough. I think we have at least three years’ worth of signs and t-shirts on this one.
How ‘bout Tech and athletes whose last name start with “H”? Houston, Hutt, and Hamilton. They should avoid that initial in their upcoming recruiting.
By Hairy
May 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Falconfan42, yes just go ahead and give us the trophy since we obvioulsly have the best team and coach and talent in the country!!!
UGA #1
By shane #1
May 16, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Scott, I don’t like the idea of promising a kid a scholarship that might not be there. I know that Saban was not the only coach to oversign and that some programs went even further over the limit. So why not limit signings to 27, if You are going to limit scholarships to 25? That way a kid will know if he needs to sign elsewhere. As for Saban being turned in 20 times, You have to remember that the “Fat Man” does not like Bama. Several years ago the “Fat Man” and a certain Gator ex-qb turned Bama in to the NCAA. Saban is a very aggressive recruiter, and the “Fat Man” is watching!
By Hairy
May 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
SABAN SUCKS SABAN SUCKS SABAN SUCKS SABAN SUCKS SABAN SUCKS
ALABAMA SUCKS!!!
By Scott
May 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Shane, that is essentially what Saban did. Remember what I said in my other post, Bama is looking at maybe only two or three academic casualties from their signing class. That puts them at 27.
The other 5 are taken up by players enrolling early and taking up a scholarship that was freed up from last year, Bryant scholarships, and greyshirts.
That’s a far sight different than say Auburn last year when they signed ~30 and only 18 or so showed up for summer camp because of academics.
By Scott
May 16, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
Fulmer has jumped on the videoconferencing bandwagon now.
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/may/10/web-cams-new-tool-for-coaches-to-connect/
By Virginia
May 16, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Tony,
Les Miles also uses this. Not just Saban and Meyer. Another small example of how he cannot catch a break and be included in examples of good recruiting and coaching.
Virginia
By Virginia
May 16, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Tony,
Les Miles also uses this. Not just Saban and Meyer. Another small example of how he cannot catch a break and be included in examples of good recruiting and coaching.
Virginia
By Virginia
May 16, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Tony,
Les Miles also uses this. Not just Saban and Meyer. Another small example of how he cannot catch a break and be included in examples of good recruiting and coaching.
Virginia
By Miles
May 16, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
Nick Saban is well within the rules. Ryan Perrilloux is a criminal. Pete Carroll knows how to stay out of trouble. Everybody is sick of the Rich Rodriguez story. Memphis should stay in Conference USA.
By joe
May 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
LSU has been a leader in this technology. Of course there just that school from 3 states away so they don’t really count around here.
By mike
May 16, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
As someone that grew up in Ann Arbor, I’m surprised the Rodriquez was chosen to lead UM. Having said that, I also was not sad to see Lloyd Carr go. Good guy, but no fire in his gut. Michigan has really rolled the dice.
By "BAD DAWG"
May 16, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
Hey FALCON
Hey FALCONFAN42 Why Dont U Shut The F**k Up And Try TO find a way To beat Auburn U LOOOSER DAWGS RULE!!!!
By pavy78
May 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
So, You are saying USC may get off the hook because it was an agent, not a booster? What has changed since 1992 when Antonio Langham spoke with an agent and Alabama got slapped with probabtion, forced to forfeit games, etc????
By Joe Hamilton - A Tech Man
May 16, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
If Memphis moves over from Conference USA to the Big East, then that will leave an opening where Tech can move from the ACC to Conference USA, which is a easier conference. No more Humanitarian Bowls, EmeraldNut Bowls, Silicon Valley Girl Bowls, Seattle Bowls, Chumps Bowls, etc. Tech would have a better record and might go to a less embarrassing bowl. Rad and Paul Johnson should consider it.
By Jan Kemp
May 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Any openings at Southern Cal for an admin?
By Festus
May 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
OLE Coach Rod is a good un. He made that ole Klimpson coach look good while he was thare as a asistaint and also while at Two lanes. He beat them thare doagies with a trik play while at Waste Virginny in a Bowal Game a few yers baick. Nows he’s at thee Big house wheres he will win a Nationull Chaimpinship!
By Steve
May 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
CLAMOR—-MEYER DID GIVE THAT THUG A 2nd CHANCE.. HIS FIRST OFFENSE WAS SELLING HIS UGA V UF FOOTBALL TICKETS AND HAVING TO SIT OUT THE GAME. HEARD UF IS THINKING ABOUT HIRING DENNIS RODMAN AS THEIR NEXT DIRECTOR OF COMPLIANCE, AND HIS OFFICE WILL BE ADJACENT TO THE COUNTY JAIL.
By Joe Hamilton will kick your a$$
May 16, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
If Memphis moves over from Conference USA to the Big East, then that will leave an opening for UGAy fans to stop being my bi+ch!
By mike
May 16, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
Gary, Mark Richt is caring enough to start a riot by sending his team onto the field to celebrate and get an intentional penalty to make up for his lack of motivational skills. Saban will do just fine at Bama, given 2 or 3 recruiting classes and we are back on top of the SEC as it should be.
By RammerJammer
May 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry that Georgia does not have a fan base that supports the coach and the team 92,000 strong. Georgia is so full of fair weather fans who jump on the band wagon when UGA wins a few. Unlike BAMA fans who rally and support their team through the worst of times. From the outside you don’t understand it and from the inside you can’t explain it. ROLL TIDE ROLL —BAMA’S BACK
By Scott
May 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
Rich Rodriguez, even if he does have to pay back W. Virginia some sort of settlement, still ends up with millions. I am tired of hearing how he was duped, swindled, lied to, etc… Get over it news media…I don’t care!
By mike
May 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
Hairy,
Shouldn’t you be in school? elementary school is still in session. I can tell by your vocabulary you haven’t reached puberty.
By George G
May 16, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
“If technology allows them to make a better character evaluation of a potential recruit, then why not use it?” - You cannot seriously believe that coaches were breaking the “no bumping rule” for the purpose of evaluating the character of players.
By P Dawg
May 16, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
Perrilloux is a stupid kid that will not make it through one season at JS let alone life. Let’s see how big his head is when he’s saying “pay before you pump” at his next job.
By Joe Hamilton - A Tech Man
May 16, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
I stand corrected. Now that I am incarcerated, I have become the official corridor bi+ch in our section. Its a good thing I went to Tech and learned how to take it up the old wazoo. Does anybody have reuban Houston’s phone number?
By GTFanNY
May 16, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
I don’t understand how USC could get away scott-free. The first time Bama went on probation a player had signed a cocktail napkin contract with an agent that was later torn up & no benefits were paid or alleged by the NCAA. The NCAA didn’t allege Bama coaches or admin knew about the agreement only that they should have.
By MB
May 16, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
You’re a classic UGA fan Hairy…
What exactly were you robbed of last year? Not scoring an offensive touchdown against USC at home? A beat down vs UT? No you were robbed by of a masacre by LSU or USC. Go play with your toy cars and dream of Hershel.
By KR
May 16, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
I always get cracked up when I see the ‘Bama fans proclaim “BAMA’s back!” That kind of talk after a 6-6 season is enough make Paul Bryant turn over in his grave.
Every time UA has gotten a new coach, their fans proclaim they’re headed to the top of the SEC for good. Yet somehow, it just hasn’t panned out.
Maybe it will this time, maybe it won’t. How about getting to a 7-5 regular season record before screaming at the top of your lungs *“‘BAMA’s back!!!”
WAR EAGLE!
By ShutUpMutt
May 16, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t worry about Saban. Only LSU and Florida know how to use their talented recruits. UGA, Bama, and the others just squander it year after year. GA will be lucky to finish in the top 10 with the schedule they have.
By Nick
May 16, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
I believe it was UGA that was taking it up the ol’ wazoo when Hamilton was at Tech.
By ADL
May 16, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
As a JSU alumni, I understand what Jack Crowe meant when he said there isn’t much trouble Perrilloux can find in Jacksonvile. True knuckleheads will find trouble anywhere; and if they can’t find it, they will make it. He gets NO second chances at JSU.
By WestVaJoel
May 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
Hey Tony. Rodriquez of Michigan needs to pay the $4 million he owes the school, then this will disappear. Not until then. If there was a scenario that WVU would have had to fire him, then HE collects $4 million. That’s why he agreed to and signed the contract. By the way, his buyout with Michigan?…you guessed it, it’s $4 million. West Va. is sticking up for the contract. It’s a legal document and his A—hole attorney’s shouldn’t let him weasel out of it.
By DawgSheet
May 16, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
When are you Dawg fans going to stop spewing the same BS about Mark Richt being a good, caring saint? He’s a good coach with character, but you guys go overboard with it. BTW, if Bama is a team of the past, let’s compare them to UGA for the past 25 years. SEC Titles: UA - 3, UGA - 3. National Titles: UA - 1, UGA - 0, Georgia Tech - 1. Even the Techies have more than you do. Looks like you have history on your side in 2008, chumps!
By WestVaJoel
May 16, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
Memphis and the Big East. Simple solution. 1) dump Notre Dame. They don’t want to join for football? Screw ‘em. 2) drop the three basketball only schools who have contributed the least revenue and attendance over the last five years. 3) add Memphis, Central Florida, Southern Miss and East Carolina—all fertile markets for recruiting. The only additions the Big East will ever get to make will be current non-BCS conference schools so let’s get on with it. Also, having 12 football schools qualifies the league for a conference championship game, and millions in TV revenue.
By Chuck
May 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
Why always a “saban” story. Can’t UGA fans worry about some other team. Not sure if know this but Bama fans and UGA fans hate the same teams.
By Tech - The Girls of Fall
May 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
Hey Nick, Joe Hamilton went to Tech during the 7 years that Tech used 11 academically ineligible players to cheat their way to some wins. That’s what Tech’s football program went on NCAA probation for, remember?
Maybe Joe was one of the 11 players, because as far as I know their names were not released. Joe should have gone through Tech’s “total person program.” Then again, Reuban Houston should have too.
Oh well, Tech will be taking it up the ol’ wazoo this coming season for sure. The triple option may work in Div 1AA and with a Navy schedule, but year in and year out, the ACC and the SEC teams you play will stuff it like a drum and have the CB’s to cover any wideout man on man, or in Tech’s case man on girly man.
You hired a coach that will make Teck folks think Bill Lewis wasn’t really that bad. Conference USA may be a stretch for you if Memphis moves to the Big East.
By hairy is an idiot
May 16, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
Hairy. It’s time to go back to the home or back to your kindergarten class. I can’t really fgure out which one you belong in.
By bamafan
May 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
Hey Gary, after UGA does not win the SEC or the NC maybe you get a sainthood for MR.
By Spike
May 16, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Mike, only a Tech dork like you would come on a football blog and talk about someone else’s puberty.
By War Eagle
May 16, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
Been to lake Tahoe and missed all updates. I saw on a site Star Jackson # 4 QB and # 1 WR Juio Jones will not qualify.. You will see much of this Saban magic during his brief stay at Bama. I hope Ryan Perrilliou does well at Jacksonville State and gets a shot at the BIG SHOW.
By ThaMan
May 16, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
You can tell which of these fleabag fans graduated with Jethro Bodine from the 6th grade. The loudest and most obnoxious of these embarrassments never graced an institution of higher learning, although, they will probably occupy a room in an institution some day. Check the records - Hamilton kicked your worthless, mangy litterbox licking butts in 89 & 90.
By kc
May 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
The headlines wer: Mr. College Football talks with Bobby Bowden..very, very strange..Mr. Bowden has over 300 collegiate wins, 2 national titles, bunches of league titles, coached for over 30 years..but.. a journalist is “MR. College Football”??? Tony, you got some splainin to do!!!
By ThaMan
May 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Excuse me. I meant 98 & 99.
By Atlanta Gator
May 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Fort Worth Dawg——Four hundred dollars per hour?! You clearly have not priced big city, big law firm talent recently. Try more like $500 to $600 per hour for the kind of lawyers who are arguing over Rodriguez’s $4 million buy-out clause.
By Spike
May 16, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
Hey “ThaMan” David Greene, DJ Shockley, and Matthew Stafford have been kicking your butt ever since. Including 51-7, and how many years in a row has it been now? Check that record, Nerd.
By MB
May 16, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
Yeah Spike because football blogs is where all the cool kids hang out….dork.
By KJ
May 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
Given recent events, this is probably not the best time for the NATS to be lauding the “accomplishments” of Joe Hamilton.
By dawgy
May 16, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
Methinks Perilloux will beat Tech in the fall. That will be flat out hilarious. CPJ’s high school offense will fail miserably against real speed. I’d be willing to bet Jax State has more speed than what Johnson faced while at Navy. Oh, God, you’re making it too easy, nerds.
By Cuz
May 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Saban is not breaking current rules. Pretty sharp use of technology for a guy at Bama.
Perilloux may not make the first game, plenty of talent, lack of character.
Are you kidding me, this is USC. Pete Carrol’s team is not going to get sanctioned.
Would Rich Rodriguez stories just please go away, unless it actually has to do with what he will bring to Michigan football.
Who cares other than the schools in the Big East.
By AltamahaDawg
May 16, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this
Cuz, I think I saw that exact post of yours 4 days ago.
By AltamahaDawg
May 16, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this
ThaMan, it’s almost a certainty that folks who go to great effort in here to call everyone else a moron, end up botching thier own point. Ironic, no?
By Bamafan
May 16, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wareagle, Hope you had a good time in Tahoe! Don’t worry about the crimson tide recruits for 08. Some of them will not make the grades or act score. But I think Auburn has more recruits that has to go junior college or prep school. Both schools has to take some special ed students who are good players in high school. ROLL TIDE
By spike
May 16, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this
Hey MB, why don’t you and your poindexter buddy Mike go tell “ThaMan” to check the records again before he puts another stupid comment on here. Then you guys can get together and talk about puberty.
By hutchda
May 16, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this
You Ga folks think Saban is cool. Guess what ? Why do you think he has built a $10 mil house on Lake Burton and has scheduled games at the Dome ? Ga is a lot bigger in pop. than Al.
By Cuz
May 16, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this
Dang Alt, now everyone is catching on that I have Alzhimers. It is just like Deja Vu all over again.
By Fort Worth Dawg
May 16, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this
Atlanta Gator — $400 per hour is probably high quality legal talent for someone licensed and practicing in West Virginia. Plus, I did say “a minimum”. Res ipsa loquitor.
By War Eagle
May 16, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Bamafan, Auburn is Auburn, basically same every year, win 9-11 games, 10th-15th in recruiting nation wide, no academic or jail problems, compete with all SEC teams beating Fl, 2006 NC winner, losing to LSU last play of game,2007 NC winner, UGA kicked our butt(black jersey`s))and play a competitive schedule each year. Last year playing LSU, Ark., Florida and UGA on road with 2-2 record, not bad for a team with a 10th rank SEC QB and several key injuries. Last three, unfortunately UGA has lost key games not to advance which personally has the best talent in the SEC.. Florida, UGA and Auburn will be best SEC teams this year, but hate to say this, if Bama recruits do job they are predicted on paper, Bama could make a move..
By S.E. Dawg
May 16, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
Is there not any other fan blogs out there somewhere. UGA fans can’t even have a decent discussion on their on newspaper blog. Dang people get on you own blogs for crying out loud. I know GT has theirs but where do they hang out, on UGAs.
By Cuz
May 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
War, still think Bama is at least one year away. I predict Auburn will be Alabama state champs.
By Ga wolf
May 16, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
Spanky have you seen who Lindy’s pick for #1 is? You guessed it! Our DAWGS and we love it. I don’t know who your team but they will likely be our b***- Dawgs to kick spankies wankie - sic em woof.
By SEC blows
May 16, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this
SEC blows… hard. You run your mouths too much. It doesn’t bother me, it just makes me laugh that much harder at you.
By AltamahaDawg
May 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
How you predict the topics days in advance, is my question.
By hop
May 16, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
tony why should west virgina settled for less the contract calls for, rick rod does not pay, it should go to court.
i am so tired of coaches who do not honor their contracts and rick rod should honor his.
,
By hop
May 16, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
tony why should west virgina settled for less the contract calls for, rick rod does not pay, it should go to court.
i am so tired of coaches who do not honor their contracts and rick rod should honor his.
,
By Cuz
May 16, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this
Pharmaceuticals, good Scotch, a few cold beers and a couple of mushrooms grown out in my cousins cow barn.
By Tre
May 16, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this
ShuttupMutt-
Yeah Saban sure misused those recruits in 2003. Saban built LSwho and now, he will destroy it
By thomas
May 16, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this
One of the most shocking things in that article was to find out Jack Crowe was still in coaching. It seems like ages ago that I last heard his name in college coaching circles. War Eagle!
By thomas
May 16, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this
One of the most shocking things in that article was to find out Jack Crowe was still in coaching. It seems like ages ago that I last heard his name in college coaching circles. War Eagle!
By Dumbest Rumor Ever
May 16, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this
War Eagle, you are a typical Barner Dumb@$$. JJ and Star are already enrolled for summer. Your fear mongering rumors amuse me. Thats almost as good as the other one from a barn DA that said boosters were gonna run Saban outta town and hire tubbs for 8 mil a year.
And he believed it!
I don’t know if its fear of whats coming, but you barners are acting crazy stupid right now, and I mean more than usuall
By bbtick
May 16, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this
The Hokies were in the Big East when I was in Blacksburg (94-98), so obviously I have a lot of great memories associated with Big East football. In my view, the Big East really missed their chance for major expansion in 2004…the setting and context was right then. It seems like everytime the Big East has the chance to move forward as a football conference, the basketball forces begin to move and the evolution of the Big East is stunted. Here are just a few examples for those of you who are not as familiar with the history of the conference:
1.) 1982 - Penn State was denied admission to the Big East…Big East officials were not interested in a “football school” that added nothing to the league’s basketball profile. What this means is that Penn State will NEVER even consider membership in the Big East again. That’s a shame because Penn State would actually have more traditional and historical rivals in the Big East (not to mention that the Nittany Lions and Notre Dame would make the Big East a power conference over-night.
2.)1991 - The Metro Conference made a final decision to not become a football conference, but the Big East did not aggressively pursue the football playing schools from the Metro to join it’s new football league. If the Big East had wanted to, it could have begun a full Big East Football league schedule in 1993 with the following member schools:
Florida State Virginia Tech Louisville Memphis Southern Mississippi Tulane West Virginia Rutgers Pittsburgh Syracuse Boston College Miami
I know…WOW
3.)1995 - The Big East denied Virginia Tech full admission to the league a desicion that was not reversed until 2000 (or 2001). Hokie fans were resentful of this and when the ACC oppurtunity was presented in 2003, the desicion was a no-brainer for VT. Had the Big East extended full membership to VT in 1991, the Hokies may not have been so quick to go to court when the ACC initially asked for Syracuse, BC, and Miami in 2003. If VT had stayed in the Big East, it probably would have been a positive in expanding to 10 teams while college football was ripe for change,
4.) 2004 - Big East was not aggressive enough. It simply attempted to replace VT, Miami, and BC…whereas it should have been looking to expand. The Big East should have expanded to 12 Teams and created the following (2) divisions:
Big East South
Louisville Memphis West Virginia South Florida East Carolina Central Florida
Big East North
Rutgers Pittsburgh Temple (football substitute for ND) Connecticut Syracuse Cinncinatti
This was have been so EASY for the Big East to do…so why didn’t it do it?…basketball…the Big East had (5) non-football full-sport members in Seton Hall, St.John’s, Providence, Georgetown, and Villanova that had been a part of the league since the late 1970s…well guess what?…when the Big East started talking about expansion, these basketball schools wanted expansion to add to the league’s basketball profile also…SOOO, instead of adding (6) football schools, it added (3) football schools and (2) basketball schools (DePaul and Marquette), expanding the footprint of the league from New England to the west side of Lake Michigan. In my view, this was a tremendous miscalculation and I don’t think the Big East will ever again have the oppurtunity that is had in 2003.
By SC RULES!!
May 16, 2008 11:59 PM | Link to this
Hey Fred & Jim:
Did you two help each other out with the selection of the crayons you used to scribble your drool???? Southern Cal is the premier program in the country because of Great Coaching & Great Players. Now I don’t bag on UGAnation as I fully believe we’ll be stomping the Dawgsnot out of y’all come January in Miami! But I’m not here to pull my d!ck out and make y’all cry just yet I’ll save that for Miami! I just want to know how you two can make such un-informed references to SC being dirty when; last time I or the NCAA checked THEY HAVEN’T been the ones on probation but I can list the SEC schools who have if you want to go down that road. So just watch who y’all call cheaters and dirty. Coach Carroll runs a clean & class program. Don’t hate us; try more to be as good as us then maybe y’all will feel better about yourselves! Fight On!!!!
By shane #1
May 17, 2008 2:43 AM | Link to this
Alt,Colege football goes in cycles. Cuz and I have burned so many brain cells with the General’s best that Our memories are almost gone. Therefore, Cuz seems to predict the future while merely rehashing the past. The post you cite is not one from last week, Cuz actually wrote the original in 2003, He just doesn’t remember it. Now as to the topic at hand, wait a minute, what were We talking about? Oh yeah! I think that Walker kid has a good chance to be a great running back, but I am not sure Belue’s arm is strong enough.
By shane #1
May 17, 2008 2:56 AM | Link to this
SCRules, after years of reading post from crazy gamecock fans, red necked Bama fans, inbred idiots from UT, cow punchers from Auburn, hicks from Clemson, arrogant Gators, and nerds from Tech, YOU have won the prize! Yours was without a doubt the most obnoxious post I have ever read. Baloney, Tommy Bowwowden, whitegoat, and Gamecock Henry, face the west and take a knee. Acknowledge Your master!
By tj
May 17, 2008 7:42 AM | Link to this
It is always amazing to me to read the comments of the Georgia fans on the blogs. They could take a blog about Mother Teresa and turn it into “Tech sux” or “Auburn sux”.
It is no wonder why there is no team that is loved/hated more than UGA. The sad fact is the actual grads are intelligient, rreasonable people who can carry on a conversation without all of the BS that comes with the sidewalk trailer trash that loves to associate themselves with the UGA football team.
What speaks volumes is their lack of support/interest for the other programs like men’s basketball.
By Bozo_bus
May 17, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
“3. Is Southern Cal in trouble? I’ve been reading that the allegations that Southern Cal basketball star O.J. Mayo had his hand out (surprise, surprise) combined with the allegations involving USC running back Reggie Bush will surely put the Trojans in NCAA jail. Not so fast, my friend. Understand that these issues deal with agents, not boosters. The NCAA has clear rules that schools are charged with the responsibility of controlling their boosters. The agent thing is much more difficult to pin down. For the school to be punished in these cases, the NCAA has to prove that the school KNEW about it and did nothing. That is tough standard to prove.”
Not so slow, my friend. You are ignoring the fact that the Ornstein Group is both agency AND booster. Bush was a paid employee interning there while at USC and with USC’s full approval. The added Lake allegations merely demonstrate the pattern that the Mayo situation further establishes: the USC athletic department closes it eyes and pleads ignorance. The University of Serial Cheaters richly deserves severe sanctions.
By mikeinatl
May 17, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
I just love when people say things like “Coach XYZ is a dirty, rotten, cheater” … then say, I that is why i am so glad that OUR coach is such a nice, compasionate, christian, etc. FYI - get your head out a$$ and be honest. Coaches are paid to win and most will walk a thin gray line to win. Fans like to talk a big, but if your team is consistently losing 3-4 ballgames a year, i seriously doubt that you will be patting the coach on the back saying, “its okay to lose, so long as our players have high GPA’s, graduate, and are model citizens.” Be honest with yourself for once.
By techfan
May 17, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
Mark Richt is saint? Let’s look at his history … player at Miami, biggest thug program in the history of college football. Long time assistant coach at FSU under Bowden who is one of the biggest snake oil salesmen, cheaters in the history of college football. Richt comes to UGA and now he is squeeky clean. Stop sniffing ugas butt
By Gen Neyland
May 17, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
shane #1
Don’t let a Valley Girl get under your thick skin…How’s that last pickup truck load of Creekwater Sippin’ Solvent holding up..? Inbred idiots from UT..? That’s gotta be Texas, right..?
Atlanta Gator & Ft Worth Dawg
Know what lawyers use for birth control..? Their personalities…
By TD
May 17, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
First of all:
Nobody said anything about CMR being a Saint other than the people that hate UGA. And, for you folks doing so, do a little research on the man before running your mouths. This guy has done an awful lot for orphans and the community. Plus, he is not afriad to speak about his faith in God. I’m not a UGA fan, but CMR is a class act.
You folks don’t even know CMR, but you want to attack his character. I wish my daughter can meet and marry a gentleman like CMR a God fearing, caring person. To him, I wish much success on and off the field.
By mikeinatl
May 17, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
Its the UGA fans that portray Richt as a saint. As if their program is without guilt or sin.
Spurrier and his wife Jerri adopted a child. Bobby Bowden regularly speaks about his Christian faith and has also done much for his commmunity. Billy Donovan funded and started in a Catholic Private School in Gainesville. These are just a few of the things that OTHER coaches have done and they are regularly attacked.
Just because one is a christian and has “done an awful lot for orphans” does not mean he does not walk/cross the line at times in an effort to win! UGA is far beyond reproach … in fact, i believe they are still on probation?
By WFC
May 17, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
HAIRY: You are lame. I bet $100 that you didn’t graduate from UGA.
By Cuz
May 17, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
No a few alumni are on probation, but the football team is not.
Shane, I agree with your last post but if we do not use Belue we have to use that Lastinger kid and he can’t throw a ball further than twenty feet.
By SC RULES!!
May 17, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
TD; You are right on about CMR! He is a CLASS act!
mikeinatl; Great observation my friend! It’s amazing how “fans” will pull the deaf, dumb & blind routine when it comes to what may be going on in their teams program but yet will screem bloody murder about the other guy.
Bozo_bus; You forgot to mention in your post of the Ornstein group and Bush; how he was a paid intern with the NCAA’s approval after SC asked that they verify the internship didn’t cross any lines. All the crying about how Bush & SC knew of all these wrong doings is crying from a group who tried to latch on to Reggie after his Soph season and when he didn’t bite they cried foul. ALBEIT after he left SC!
By Bozo_bus
May 17, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
By mikeinatl said:
“I just love when people say things like “Coach XYZ is a dirty, rotten, cheater” … then say, I that is why i am so glad that OUR coach is such a nice, compasionate, christian, etc. FYI - get your head out a$$ and be honest.” Who said this, to whom are you talking?
“Coaches are paid to win and most will walk a thin gray line to win.” Is your “thin grey line” within the boundaries of the rules or not?
“Fans like to talk a big, but if your team is consistently losing 3-4 ballgames a year, i seriously doubt that you will be patting the coach on the back saying, “its okay to lose, so long as our players have high GPA’s, graduate, and are model citizens.” Are you suggesting fans say instead when their team is losing 0-2 games per year, “it’s OK to cheat and deny, so long as our players have championship rings, win the Heisman, and get drafted in the first round?” There is only one fan base that says that.
“Be honest with yourself for once.” Good idea! Try it!
By SC RULES!!
May 17, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
CUZ;
I agree whole heartedly with points 1,2 & 5! #4 I agree with too, but then again it is Michigan we’re talking about. When was the last time they like ND & OSU won a game that mattered? Ohh yeah my bad Gator skinned boot fans that would be last January. As for #3; well they are SC and they don’t have anything to be ashamed of, certainly not their success on the gridiron or the Song Leaders!
By SC RULES!!
May 17, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
Bozo_bus;
To the list of USC acronyms:
University of Spoiled Children University of Silverspoon Children I add your great literary contribution: University of Serial Cheaters.
All posted by those who can’t compete with Pete!!!!!
Fight On!!!!!
By mikeinatl
May 17, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
1)its a general statement about fans. i am talking about anyone who says that one team is cheating, lying, etc. but think their team is squeeky clean. same goes for minor infractions that get blown up into a scandal among fans just b/c its a hated rival.
2)gray line is within the rules, but gets portrayed as cheating, lying, etc. bumping, webcast, etc all probably stretch the boundary of a rules intent, but are perfectly legal.
3)cheating is cheating. winning by cheating is not winning.
4) actually, i am being perfectly honest. i will sleep just fine.
Cuz, UGA is (or just got off NCAA probation). Not a booster, but coaches and academic fraud. Good try.
By shane #1
May 17, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
Is Sc Rules an oxymoron? Just kidding! Cuz, You are right, but I think that Lastinger kid has a shot in the Cotton Bowl. Besides, Ol’ Vince doesn’t like to throw the ball over two feet. He thinks Woody Hayes is a great coach, but He doesn’t like Woody’s high risk offense. Gen, last batch = top quality! For those of You that don’t drink, the Gen’s corn squeezins are also good for stripping old spray on liners from pick-up truck beds. Gen, When I wrote UT I was “hittin’ the jar” and transposed the letters. Of course I didn’t mean to insult Our Neighbor to the north. I was refering to that football factory to the west, known for it’s legions of toothless red neck fans, Tulane! BTW, Saban isn’t the only coach Who has found a way around the rule bearing his name. Pop over to The Wizard of Odds blog and follow the link to the article about Ron Zook. Gotta love the Happy Zooker, coaching clinics indeed!
By SC RULES!!
May 17, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
War Eagle;
How was the trip to Tahoe? Did you go for casino row or to spend some quality time enjoying one of the most beautiful lakes on Gods green Earth? Personally Viva Lost Wages can have all the casinos; I love spending a day on the lake!
By Waa, Waa, Waaaaa....
May 17, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
Hairy & Spike? Hairy & Spike? Hairy & Spike? - Spike & Hairy? Nice “handles” fellas, but for simplicity I just refer to you guys as Hairy-Spike
A few points for you from a GT fan: