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DEL.ICIO.USAlabama-Notre Dame at the Georgia Dome?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
It’s “Free-Wheeling” Friday again when we give ourselves permission to go off topic or dream big dreams. Such as:
1. Notre Dame vs. Alabama in Atlanta?: Why not? I’m hearing that Alabama coach Nick Saban really wants to get Notre Dame on the Crimson Tide schedule in the future. He played the Irish as the head coach at Michigan State and found the exposure for his program very helpful. And beating the Irish never hurts in recruiting.
Here is my proposal:
If Alabama can’t talk Notre Dame into a home and home series, how about two neutral site games-one in Atlanta and one in the new stadium in Indianapolis? I’m just throwing it out there for your consideration.
Neutral site games, like the Aug. 30 meeting between Clemson and Alabama at the Georgia Dome, are going to become more common in the future. It comes with a good payday (over $2 million per school) and takes the “brand” of that school into new recruiting territory.
Illinois and Missouri are opening the season in St. Louis. Kansas and Missouri are playing their Big 12 showdown at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City.
Notre Dame and Arizona State announced this week that they have agreed to play on Oct. 5, 2013, in the new $1 billion stadium being built by Dallas Cowboy’s owner Jerry Jones.
Gary Stokan and the Atlanta Sports Council have proven that they want to be players in this new trend. Stay tuned.
2. Another strike against a four-team playoff: One of the things that makes these neutral site games possible is the advent of the 12-game regular season.
With four non-conference games to play with, an athletics director can guarantee himself seven home games and use the other one to set up neutral site games or a strong non-conference match-up.
But when the four-team playoff was being discussed last week, some commissioners suggested that the regular season might have to be cut back to 11 games in order to accommodate it.
That is not going to happen. The money for the 12th game is in everybody’s budget now.
3. Michael Brown will not return: Brown, who had started 18 games at left tackle for Mississippi State, was kicked out of school earlier this year when he and a teammate were charged with firing guns on campus-a felony. Both received three-year sentences that were suspended. I wondered if Brown, from College Park, had a chance to get back into school and play his senior season for the Bulldogs. The answer I got out of Starkville was a solid was “No.” Brown will not be back.
4. Exodus at Florida State: My friend Steve Ellis of the Tallahassee Democrat points out that when you count the players who have left FSU for various reasons (including using up their eligibility), a total of 25 players who were on the 2007 roster will not be on the 2008 roster. The latest was offensive lineman Daron Rose, who was declared academically ineligible this week. If you’re a Florida State fan, this is not necessarily a bad thing. The recruiting class you have coming is in a cut above the past two or three in terms of athletic ability. I’ve been told that a number of these guys are going to have to get on the field as backups.
No one will say it out loud, but Florida State is undergoing a transition in its program now that Jimbo Fisher has been named the head coach in waiting. Some decisions are being made now so that the program will be in good shape when Bobby Bowden decides to step down and hand it over to Fisher. What is going on now is part of that process.
5. Arkansas’s Mallett must sit: Quarterback Ryan Mallett transferred from Michigan to Arkansas because he knew he would not fit into the offense run by new coach Rich Rodriguez. He petitioned the NCAA to waive the rule that would have required him to sit out a year before becoming eligible at Arkansas. School officials knew the request would not be granted but supported Mallett and his family anyway.
I’m not sure why, but the mere fact that Mallett and his family made the request just bugs me. Because when you make it, you’re telling the NCAA that you are a “hardship” case that is worthy of a waiver.
Not fitting into the offense of a new head coach is an annoyance, an inconvenience, and a disappointment.
Needing to be near a parent dying from cancer is a hardship. That is why the rule was put into place.
Comments
By SecIsFootball
May 9, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
As a BAMA fan, I am glad to see us scheduling games with teams like FSU, Clemson and possible Notre Dame. I would rather they were home and home games on campus but since I have no control over that, I will go wherever they play!! There is also a rumor that in 2009, BAMA will play Texas in the New Orleans. Nothing confirmed but that would be a great road trip.
As for Miss State and Michael Brown, I went to the MSU Alumni Assoc meeting last week (wife is a MSU grad) and Croom commented on the 2 guys arrested for the gun incident and he was very clear that they messed up big and would not be rejoining the team.
By Bama Man
May 9, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
I’d like to see them play Notre Dame at Legion Field. I’d like to see the Iron Bowl back at Legion Field. To me it is the mother church of college football. It’d be a shame to see it go the way of Yankee Stadium.
By JT
May 9, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
Sadly, Kevin White will never allow this to happen.
By UA4LIFE
May 9, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
Bama Man,Legion field is now a dumping ground that holds about 20,000 people.I would love to play Notre Dame anywhere,anytime.Anywhere but Legion Field.
By Bama Czar
May 9, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Just figure out a respectable revenue share and play both games at ND stadium. It might stink for us Alabama fans, but I would rather the program pick up a couple of wins verses ND. I’ll take one for the team. Just make sure the games have Protestant officials….
By huckhound
May 9, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
Alabama? Notre Dame? Laughable. Neither had a regular-season winning record last year and Alabama lost to LaMonroe and has lost six years in a row to their biggest in-state rival. The draw would be Georgia-Southern Cal in the ‘Dome. Alabama-Notre Dame? Might as well schedule Fordham vs. Yale if you’re gonna live the the past like that! Schedule Alabama vs. Clemson at Talladega Speedway and you might have something. :-)
By KR
May 9, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
Bama Man wrote:
I’d like to see the Iron Bowl back at Legion Field. To me it is the mother church of college football.
Not me. I believe the Iron Bowl should be a home and home arrangement, as it is now.
I’m happy that I can say I’ve had the experience of watching my team win at Legion Field, but it’s not even close to the top of my list of favorite stadiums.
Generally, I’m not a fan of “neutral site” games, because the site is rarely ever neutral. However, if that is the only way to get a matchup, it’s better to go that route than to not play at all.
WAR EAGLE!
By demed76
May 9, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
This would be a great game if it would actually happen. Weis can see what Saban is building, and they hand pick a lamb schedule with 4 tough games every year. Do you actually think they would drop Army or Navy to play Bama? Not gonna happen! Domers were already scheduled a few years back and the domers put a squash on that. The powers that be at Dame wont play a nuetral site game with Bama, it would probably have to be home and home.Bama Will have a 9-3 season this year and will be better next year. I don’t see it coming.
GO BAMA!!!!!!!!
By DirkDawggler
May 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Notre Dame would be wise to strike while the iron is still luke-warm. Unless they begin to show some improvement really fast, they are in danger of becoming increasingly irrelevant on the national landscape. Will anyone be interested in a Notre Dame team 10 years from now if they do not rise above mediocrity? A name can only take you so far.
By tp
May 9, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
Alabama with all it’s tradition has to play games away from campus to try and get thier program where it needs to be.
Throwing their $ around as well.
What does that have to do with the fact that your still stuck with Sara Jessica Parker at QB?
By Roswell Ed
May 9, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
One. Maybe Satan can coach by teleconference for that game.
Weis is jealous because he knows he can’t do that.
They can’t fit him on the Jumbotron.
Two. They’ll never take away the 12th game.
It’s like when you turnover something to the government.
You never get it back. Remember that democrats before you turn over health care to your socialist party.
Three. Three year suspended sentence?
This is just another example of how out of whack our judicial system is.
If these kids were white they would have locked them up and thrown away the key.
Four. FSU is like a train wreck.
You don’t want to stare but you just can’t look away.
As you sow so shall you reap.
How has this program stayed off any hardcore probation?
Awe shucks never mind!!
Five. So let me get this straight Tony.
The coach bringing down 3 mil a year isn’t punished but is rewarded for leaving his own team that he recruited, but the kid playing for an education and having been left by the man that recruited him for his style of play is?
NCAA- Putting the needs of the student athletes above anything but their own concerns.
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By ADL
May 9, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
Legion Field was never a neutral site. Now, I wouldn’t trust the stadium or the neighborhood for the Iron Bowl.
By ADL
May 9, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
Legion Field was never a neutral site. Now I wouldn’t trust the old stadium or the lousy neighborhood to handle the Iron Bowl
By Dave
May 9, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
UF-UGA in Atlanta every other year (JAX-ATL rotation)?
UF-UT in Atlanta every third year (home-away-ATL rotation)?
By Hammerin' Hank
May 9, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
Bama vs. Notre Dame at Legion Field would be perfect. Two has-been programs trying to recapture the glory in a has-been, cracktown stadium whose glory days are un-recapturable.
Perfect.
By Clay
May 9, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
I’d like to see UGA vs. Georgia Tech in the Georgia Dome when the game is Tech’s home game. Dawg fans would outnumer Techazoids 3-1. That’d be great!!!
By bama1432
May 9, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Huckhound.. Bama vs ND is living in the past? This is coming from a fan of a team that has not even competed for a NC in over 25 years! Try not wetting your pants against Spurrier and the other USC first!
By Notre Lame
May 9, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Alabama should put effort into a more worthwhile opponent. I can’t think of a bigger has-been than Notre Dame. When is the last time they were even relevant? They’re more interested in molesting altar boys than joining a damn conference and 50% of their budget goes to keeping Charlie Weis’ feeding trough full. Beating Notre Dame in the 2000’s isn’t like beating Notre Dame in the 40’s 50’s or 60’s. The program is done. There is no glory….no pageantry….nothing. They can’t even beat SERVICE ACADEMIES anymore. The only thing keeping them alive is that godawful NBC contract that broadcasts games nobody watches. The parasitic BCS rules that Notre Dame blew somebody to get written in to the book are absolute crap too. The sooner Notre Dame is off the map, the better….stick to basketball you Indiana idiots.
And Alabama….look west….not north.
By bama1432
May 9, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
Huckhound.. Bama vs ND is living in the past? This is coming from a fan of a team that has not even competed for a NC in over 25 years! Try not wetting your pants against Spurrier and the other USC first!
By tidefan00
May 9, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
Wow, all that hate for Bama and Notre Dame. Two of the most storied programs in college football history. I would never disrespect a program with the accomplishments those two schools have, and with all they ahve contributed to something we obviously love so much….college football.
Some of you need to really look at where all your hatred and ugliness come from. Im guessing its “little man” syndrome.
By DawginLex
May 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Maybe Saban knows he won’t get to play in the Dome otherwise ?
He won’t be in the SEC title game.
If they don’t win more than 6 games, they won’t even get to play in the Chick fil A Bowl.
Don’t worry Nick, buy a ticket and watch.
By Bamascott
May 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
I actually feel that all the BCS conferences should play a conference championship. Also being that the big six get the most recognition come bowl season. That being said every BCS conference should play their four non-conference games against Pac 10, Big 10, ACC, SEC, Big 12 and Notre Dame. Or extend the season make it at least 14 games since there are already 16 weeks schedule in the season anyway. Notre Dame needs to play at least one team out of each conference not just Big 10 and Pac 10 opponents. That’s why they were not able to beat a SEC powerhouses like LSU(2006) or Florida(2005). Alabama is a program that is on the rise and rebuilding that’s why Notre Dame will not schedule Alabama.
By AltamahaDawg
May 9, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Thats great for the ASC. Just keep your grimy hands off the Cocktail party.
By whatever
May 9, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
Another Bama game in Atlanta? I highly doubt the University of Georgia will let this happen…. or Georgia Tech for that matter…. Both schools have that kind of power.
By Roger
May 9, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
I think Id rather be a “has been” than a “never was”.
When teams like Aubarn and Gawgia start playing for NC’s, even one, then run your mouth. Until then, respect your betters.
By m
May 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Alabama is trying to get Notre Dame on their schedule to replace Louisiana-Monroe. They just couldn’t take another loss to La-Monroe, so they are trying to weaken their schedule by replacing them with Notre Dame. LOLLOLLOLLOL
By whatever what
May 9, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Georgia or GT have the power to stop teams from playing at the dome? Are you insane? What power would that be? You are aware Bama opens up in the dome this year with Clemson in the dome? You are a flaming moron.
The only place UGA has power is with the local bail bonds companies. I hear they get a helluva a volume discount.
By Joe
May 9, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
ND vs. Bama would be a great game, but it probably won’t happen anytime soon. Notre Dame already has picked its three or four annual tier 1 opponents for the near future.
You guys bashing The Tide and The Irish are wrong. The Tide and The Irish are our nation’s two most storied teams. Now both programs are coached by Bill Belichick’s disciples. Soon they’ll be enjoying top ten rankings.
By 2008Champs
May 9, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
Hey Tony, What? Are you on Saban’s payroll!
I am all for neutral site games, but WHY promote just BAMA vs. ND? Then to mention UA vs.UT in New Orleans. Please!!!! How much do you charge for these butt kissing services?
As an Auburn Alumnus, I have wanted a crack at ND forever! I don’t give a dumpster about Bama vs. ND.
We don’t need to bring back the 70’s. And this idea should not be reserved for “You Old School Guys” traditional schools. Move forward Tony, Not backwards!
Promote the neutral site game idea, but don’t give these two over paid loser coaches any credit for making it happen. Let’s create excitement with New Exciting Match Ups and look to the Future.
I would be for one neutral site game a season with rotating sites in Atlanta, New Orleans and Orlando.
As slack as the NCAA has been on recruiting violations, these guys don’t need any help from you.
By JohninJax
May 9, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
I would NOT be in favor of helping Bama or N.D. out by letting them play in our back yard in the GA Dome. Why would the state of GA want to help them out? All that will do is help them recruit better in the state of GA. This would not be a good thing for UGA or G-Tech. I think it would be better if UGA or G-Tech played someone like the N.D. in the Dome.
By The Murf
May 9, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Arent Bama and FSU playing a 1 and 1 in the Dome?
By reservoirDAWG
May 9, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
I’d love to see the tide beat the he11 out of ND.
By david
May 9, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
What’s all this talk about Auburn and Georgia not playing for national championships? Alabama has played for ONE in the past 25 years.
By Ron
May 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
I don’t think georgia and ga tech actually OWN the dome do they? They may have specific rights to using it, but you think if an event such as Bama-vs -nd were to take place, that the management would turn it down? HA! yea right. Anytime they can make a buck, they are gonna jump on it. And regardless of how you or anyone else may feel about this match up, the dollars and fans would pour into the dome, maybe even more so than the georgia-ga tech matchup.
By Roswell Ed
May 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
tidefan00:
I guess that getting your arse kicked every year by all the little men must really sting that much harder.
Just because you and 1,000,000 other rednecks think that you are gods gift to football doesn’t make it so for the rest of us.
What do Bama fans and maggots have in common?
never mind.
That joke has become irrelevant because a maggot can’t feed on a dead bear forever.
Note to self(Bammer):
Saying your important and relevant and being important and relevant are 2 different things.
See this blog is about razzing the other guy whomever he is.
There are cracks against the Cocks, the bees, the Tigers etc. but only the self centered, pretentious red neck nation can think that anything directed at them is because of our covetousness.
Keep telling yourself that you’re great as you’re losing to LOMO.
Hey maybe you could schedule a game with them in Jackson?
By durrr
May 9, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
How about you Alabama fans get real and get off the dead Bear. He was way greater than your school will ever be. And to the people sentimental about UAT and ND’s accomplishments, who cares? Unless you’re a fan of theirs then there is no reason to hold them on any higher level than any other team.
They can call the matchup the “Battle of the Suck”
By Huh?
May 9, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Bama Man must be thinking of a different place than I remember. LESION Field is a cesspool. It’s in the ghetto, has horrible viewing angles from everywhere, is made out of tin foil and just made the great transformation BACK to artificial turf. The upper deck has been removed because they couldn’t fill the stadium.
Bama Man calls it “the mother church of college football.” I call it a demolition project just waiting to happen.
By Bamascott
May 9, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Bama hasn’t in 15 years, Auburn hasn’t in 60 years, and Georgia hasn’t in 27 years David
By ClemsonDude
May 9, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Speaking of Legion Field, back in the early 90’s I was invited to come along to an Alabama- Tenn game because Clemson had a open date. That stadium was a dump,located in a bad neighborhood, and at halftime saw a stabbing of a Tenn fan. I knew I was far from Clemson’s Death Valley. I was so glad to leave that evening and go home to Atlanta.
By TuscaloosaTiger
May 9, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
I’m by no means an Alabama fan, but I remember when Bama played teams like Penn State (still have Joe Pa’s autograph) and Notre Dame. I even remember “THE HIT” so needless to say I am totally up for these types of matchups in a neutral site city. It is not only good for the schools it also brings in BIG tourism dollars to the area.
By Chris
May 9, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
Some of you guys really either don’t know what you’re talking about, or just take something that’s completely false and run with it. First of all, to the guy running his mouth about ND taking Army off the schedule, Army is NOT ON THE SCHEDULE. They played a grand total of one time recently, in 2006. SEC schools never schedule 1-AA teams, right? Also, the “can’t beat the serice academies”? Uh, they lost to Navy for the first time in 44 years last season, so I would hardly view that as a trend. And the fat jokes about CW, and ND spending their budget on his food? What are you, 6 years old? Were you able to come up with that yourself? And if ND is some darn irrelevant, why are some of you so hung up on them, and why do the Irish still get major airtime on ESPN and on national radio, coming off their worst season in history?
Now, to the reasonable posters who aren’t here just to make complete morons of themselves, I would love to see this game happen. Alabama and ND are the two most storied programs in college football history, and I strongly believe that both will become very good in short order. Both are recruiting very well, and last season aside, have good coaching staffs. I hope it somehow becomes a reality.
By Coxfan
May 9, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
“Three. Three year suspended sentence?
This is just another example of how out of whack our judicial system is.
If these kids were white they would have locked them up and thrown away the key.”
Right. Mississippi is widely known for protecting minorities and punishing whites.
By Bucky
May 9, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
sick nick should open every season playing in the ga dome…clemson, notre dame…etc…..cause the payroll tide won’t be playing there come sec championship time….!!
By Miles
May 9, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
For true college football fans, neutral site games just don’t have the allure of a home and home series. Oh sure, they make a lot of money, but they take the college out of college football. As fun and festive as The Cocktail Party is, the game lacks the nastiness of a rivalry. In fact, the name given to the game, i.e., The Cocktail Party, denotes a social gathering rather than antagonism or competition. The recent matchup between Ohio State and Texas was so compelling because both schools, from different conferences, had the opportunity to play on hostile ground as opposed to neutral ground. In contrast, last year’s game between Kansas and Missouri played at Arrowhead Stadium had a “ho-hum” element even with the ESPN Gameday Crew present. Interestingly, as big as the Clemson vs. Alabama game intends to be, the game would be even bigger if it was played in Tuscaloosa one year and then in Death Valley the next year. Surely, neither Clemson fans nor Tide fans could disagree with this assessment. It will be a sad day when the Tennessee vs. Florida game moves to Nashville or when the Auburn vs. Georgia is played in Atlanta.
By Ron
May 9, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
Dollars$$$$$$$$$
That is what it’s all about. Who cares where it is played and who cares what the opponents of these two programs think. If a place is available for them to play, whether it is in the ga dome or super dome or any other field, it will sell out in spite of all those who can’t fathom to see Bama on the rise.
All the griping and name calling and jokes about the bear will not keep Bama down. You all know they are on the way, so just get over yourselves.
Your programs have been relevant for what? 15-20 years out of a 100 or so?and Bama has been irrelevant for about the same number of years in the same time span. You think they are gonna stay down? Ha Ha. Yep, get over yourselves, you couldn’t get it done while Bama was down so you resort to your lame jokes and name calling. Like I sad, get over yourselves, it’s not like yours are the most important programs after all.
BTW, if all of Bama’s opponents would not bring up the bear, then you would never hear anything about the him. You are the ones who keep the talk about him alive.
By wartiger
May 9, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
I guess after losing 11 straight games to both LSU and Auburn…the tide need to get a victory over one storied program…so bring on the Irish….”Roll On….I am rolling Baby…!!”
By War Eagle
May 9, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
Auburn has tried to schedule Notre Dame down through the years for a home and home series. They want to play in South Bend and neutral site…NO DEAL Why does Bama keep wanting to play big games in Atlanta. They have more seating Denney-Bryant Stadium than the dome…Is this doing Bama fans justice? The line is very long to get a home and home with ND.
By Chris
May 9, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Saben wants Alabama to play as many games in the Dome as possible so when they play in it later they will have already experienced it’s acoustics and feel. It’s that simple. I bet if LA-Monroe would play Alabama in the Dome, he would take them up on the offer, it’s just that LA-Monroe’s administration probably could not afford it or get enough people to fill their ticket allotment and the national exposure would not be as great.
By Chris
May 9, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Saben wants Alabama to play as many games in the Dome as possible so when they play in it later they will have already experienced it’s acoustics and feel. It’s that simple. I bet if LA-Monroe would play Alabama in the Dome, he would take them up on the offer, it’s just that LA-Monroe’s administration probably could not afford it or get enough people to fill their ticket allotment and the national exposure would not be as great.
By Rod
May 9, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Hey Roger - learn your facts. Auburn won the NC in 1957 and was undefeated just a few years ago.
By Ron
May 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Storied program? Haaaaaa!! You mean you are trying to say that lswho and the barn are storied programs?! WOWOWEEE!!
Now that I have had my laugh for the day I can relax.
By Ron
May 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
all bs aside. it’s gonna be nice to get out from under the thumb of losing to those programs, and it could very well start this year. I like our chances more this year than I did last year and the year before that, etc,.
I realize that it is something to brag about, the win streak that is. What else has the barn done to be proud of? Congrats on that streak, it may even reach seven, but I wouldn’t bet the barn on it.
By Bamascott
May 9, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
SEC Championship Predictions Bama or LSU vs. Georgia or Florida
By P Dawg
May 9, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
The last time I checked, nd sucked!
By Ron
May 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
Hey everyone! There will soon be a new book out about the barns football history. It will detail it’s most epic moments on the field.
This is it in a nutshell: We got six.
I know, it’s a short story. But without the streak, I guess the barn wouldn’t have much of a history.
Ok weagles, you owe us a thank you.
Look, we don’t mind you riding, just don’t drag your feet.
By Lee
May 9, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
ND-Bama in ATL is not so farfetched. With the expansion in the number of games allowed, ND has embarked upon a program of neutral-site games, beginning with Washington State at the San Antonio Alamodome in 2009. The recently announced ASU-ND game in Dallas is just another example of that decision. They will fill those stadiums, trust me.
By gatorhead1013
May 9, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
do Bama/Clemson tickets go on sale to the general public?
By Sweet Home Alabama
May 9, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
If Alabama wants to play in Atlanta we might just do it because we can.if we want to play in Nerd stadium we will.IF we want to go over to that cattel farm in athens and play there we will.
WE WILL DO this because we can and the people demand it.
By Irish Mike
May 9, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
I would love to see Alabama play Notre Dame. Doesn’t matter where the game is played. After reading some of the post here, what makes Bama fans so sure they would get these so called wins that they are so suer they would get. Notre Dame has been on the decline for a short while now, but is back on the trail to another National Championship. I agree with some posters, Im not sure Kevin White would go for this? My opinion is he won’t be there long by the way he is currently doing things. As far as Charlie goes, not quite sure he is the man for the job as well. Charlie needs to start winning now that the Irish are getting some top recruits.GO IRISH
By Irish Mike
May 9, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
I would love to see Alabama play Notre Dame. Doesn’t matter where the game is played. After reading some of the post here, what makes Bama fans so sure they would get these so called wins that they are so suer they would get. Notre Dame has been on the decline for a short while now, but is back on the trail to another National Championship. I agree with some posters, Im not sure Kevin White would go for this? My opinion is he won’t be there long by the way he is currently doing things. As far as Charlie goes, not quite sure he is the man for the job as well. Charlie needs to start winning now that the Irish are getting some top recruits.GO IRISH
By PTC Dawg
May 9, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Bama/ND what a snoozefest. Wake me when it’s over.
Re: Playoffs, what are we waiting on?
By 2008Champs
May 9, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
College Football owes Nothing to ND or the Criminal Tide! The problem with college football is that it hangs on to much to OLD School. College Football’s future will be exciting regardless of whom the powerhouses of the day are at the time. Bear did not have to compete against today’s SEC. LSU,UF,UT,AU,UGA,UArk, and an SEC Championship Game were not part of the equation in the 60’s or 70’s!
Bama fans are quick to down play the success of EVERYBODY while making excuses for themselves and exaggerate Bama’s less competitive past. Half of Bama’s conference championships were won because Alabama played an extra SEC team (See 1972).
When someone like Tony Barnhart uses ND vs. Bama as a must see game, then it’s time to listen to somebody with a little more sense.
Congratulations on ND’s and Bama’s past, but the future owes them nothing!
By Bill Jacquemain
May 9, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
So, why is Saban so hot to play Notre Dame. Hasn’t ND become irrelevant to big time college football recently?
By P Dawg
May 9, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
Sweet Home Alabama, you might want to just concentrate on hoping your team can win a game against AU or UGA before you go running your mouth like your some kind of football royalty. Just because Saban is your coach doesn’t automatically make you a success. You have to get it done on the field and, so far, you haven’t. You might want to call Stallings out of retirement.
By P Dawg
May 9, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Sweet Home Alabama, It’s spelled cattle, you inbred dumba$$.
By ND then everyone else
May 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
Hey Notre Lame, what is it like going through life being a moron? Are you and your wife legally allowed to have children?
By Ron
May 9, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
See? name calling to cover their own inadequacies. Go figger.
By Ron
May 9, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
See? name calling to cover their own inadequacies. Go figger.
By Bama Man
May 9, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
It’s sad to see so much open disdain for a place where so many great games have taken place. A demolition project waiting to happen? Maybe. I’d rather see an effort to revive the stadium and neighborhood. But if Yankee Stadium can be torn down, anything is possible. Heck the Capitol is kind of old, why don’t we knock it down, too?
By bholloway
May 9, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
It “bugs” you that Mallet and his family would even make this request?
I’d be interested to hear how you feel about Taylor Bennett requesting AND being granted the hardship waiver in a scenario strikingly similar to Mallet’s. Also of interest, why’d you choose Mallet’s case to write about when Bennett’s is more relevant to Atlanta-area readers?
BP bitterness?
By Scottay
May 9, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Turd fans wish the Iron bowl was back in Birmingham since they’ve never beat the “barn” in Tuscaloser and haven’t done real well on the plains!
By SecIsFootball
May 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
2008Champs…getting a little ahead of yourself, huh? I am not sure about your comments about hanging onto “old school” but last I checked, in the last 25 years BAMA has won as many NC’s and SEC titles as UGA has. I know, I know. All that counts for UGA is the time that Richt has been there, right??
I don’t think anyone is trying to downplay the success of other teams. I think there are a lot of people trying to downplay the potential success of Alabama though. Seems none of the brilliant minds on this blog think Alabama has even a remote shot at being a winner again. Read the comments on this page and you will see. However, teams like USC, who was average for a while has climbed back to the top. Teams like UGA and LSU, who were mediocre at best in the 90’s have come back to be solid programs. But, the Tide has no chance at all.
You can think what you want about UA but facts are facts. We have a good coach who has won a NC. He is a great recruiter and our class last year showed it. So with the next class he signs. Teams like UGA, LSU, USC were built by signing top athletes to their schools. BAMA is doing the same thing. And for those of you who think BAMA will never be good again, well, you can always hope.
By J-Bo
May 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this
Taylor Bennett’s request isn’t considered a “hardship” scenario. If you have received an undergraduate degree, you are allowed to transfer and play immediately if your current school doesn’t have the graduate degree you are pursuing. GT didn’t have the graduate degree Bennett wanted and the other school did so he could transfer.
By Haywood Jablowme
May 9, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
Who cares on ALL 5 subjects? Notre Shame and Bammer are 2 has been programs that cannot get over the glory-years of the past…..Bammer can’t get over Bear bryant, and Notre Dame STILL thinks Knute Rockne is gonna return…. FSU, same thing. When they lost Richt, they lost what could have been their heir to St. Bobby. That program hasn’t been the same since Richt left. Playoff??!! PLAY-OFF ??!! Are yoou kidding me??!! Never happen…too much money involved in the Bowl business, so we will be treated to season after season of moronic BCS BS, like the 13-0 Auburn team left out of the mix, or the 2-loss LSU team being there and jumping over the # 2 team to do it because they were the “popular” choice to do so. Ryan Mallett?? Again, who cares? If he wanted to play so bad, he should have stuck it out at Michigan…Maybe he would have fit in, but he didn’t even want to TRY to fit in, so, again, who cares? Another thug kicked out of school, this time at Missy State? Old news. We see more and more of this “thug mentality” among athletes who cannot seem to realize just what a good opportunity they have by being given a chance to make the best out of life with a free college education and a chance for the big NFL pay checks.
By Laughing_at_AU_anger/childishness
May 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
“Turd fans wish the Iron bowl was back in Birmingham since they’ve never beat the “barn” in Tuscaloser and haven’t done real well on the plains!”
Ahhh, the intelligence of the AU fans on this thread is astounding. Classy post. Hatred = ingnorance. And you, sir, are full of hatred, it seems.
By Ron
May 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
SECLSFOOTBALL, that is exactly what they are doing, hoping against hope and now they are praying that the Tide doesn’t rise. It is obvious that these teams were better than us the last decade, no use in denying that. We only had probably one good team out of that span. But I won’t use the excuses they claim we use, but we all know WHY they got a leg up during this same time period. It happens, it happened to us, it happened to them, it happened to others, some teams take advantage of these circumstances and some don’t.
Just visit any of our closest opponents forums to see first hand how they act like college football just started in the year 2000, that they have always been at the top of the pile. Yes our better days were some years ago, but to think they are storied programs? We have been irrelevant this decade and they still can’t climb into that category with us.
To you barners and lswhos out there. Ask yourselves why your current success is. Answer it, because you know you can’t lie to yourself, but you will on these forums though. Yes you beat us the last 5 and 6 years, but why?
was it the superior program of yours? or was it something else that is very obvious? Try it, you won’t like the answer you’ll get, I am sure.
Anyway, I hope that you enjoyed the ride, because it has just about come to an end. :) :):):):):):):):):):):)
By corey
May 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
You folks are missing the point. Bama/ND in the Dome would be GREAT for UGA and Tech. It would show the recruits how lousy these two so-called “powerhouses” really are. A bunch of seed spittin rednecks from Alabama and their pasty, slow counterparts from the northern territory. Give me a break! The State High School playoffs will have more talent in the Dome then those two jokes
By UnderDawg
May 9, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
Three words for Tech fans who keep talking about the so-called “thugs” at UGA……”Smokin Joe” Hamilton.
By mcdawg
May 9, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
as long as ND can field a team, i think it is a great idea-who can forget the back to back Sugar-Orange (Orange-Sugar?) in the early 70s-College football at its finest-great for the ATL as well
By War Eagle
May 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Laughing AT AU, might be whatever you want to call it, but its TRUE. Personally I think this ND crap is just a recruiting tool for coach Saban, he is “street smsrt” when it comes to recruiting, but can he win at Bama? Its the toughest place in America to coach.
By Eric1
May 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Who cares who UAT plays. Ed…politically you’re an idiot. War Eagle!!!
By merculf
May 9, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
For all of you who have forgotten, tne first game played in the deep south was in Pedmont Park (AUvsUGA).Teams in the SEC where scared for years to come and play in Auburn(Tenn, Alabama). With all of the fanfare that goes on during a home game, why do we need to play off campus? I thought that is why everyone is spending $$$$$ to improve and enlarge their stadiums. Nothing beats the game day atmosphere on campus. I like to go to another campus and enjoy a good game.I can go to the GA.Dome anytime. It’s not like the Falcons are filling it up! There is nothing like tailgating in Auburn, Athens, Knoxville, ect. Just one man’s opinion…….WDE!
By Jeff Carter
May 9, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
Hey COREY, you are a true moron. College football in the state of Georgia is a joke, and so is Georgia Tech and the Bulldogs. When won of those teams can crack at least 3 national championships then you can start posting your dumb comments!!!!
ALABAMA 12 National Championships
Georgia Tech & Bulldogs- A laughing JOKE HAHAHAHHHAHAHAEH!!!!!!
By Paul
May 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
Alabama/Notre Dame would be “the” game of the season. TV loves these two teams. Tickets would be impossible to find. UGA you need to wake up and realize no one outside the state of Georgia recognizes you. You have a great program and are doing great things, but even as poor as Alabama and Notre Dame have been in recent years, they are a much bigger draw than UGA versus whomever.
By Irish Luck
May 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
LOVE to see Irish and Bama link up in the ATL
Yes - the Irish have fallen from championship form - but here is what I believe the Irish need to do:
Why? Because we recruit nationally -we need to play nationnally.
make sure that the only Big 10 teams we play are regularly are Indiana and Perdue - it’s an in state thing. Then focus on rotating Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and Wisconsin.
We have USC as a great rival - I say we pick up or rotate teams every year from ACC, SEC, Big 12 and Big East. I am talking Big Name teams - not Wake, Vandy, Iowa State, and Stanford.
Set up a schedule home and home rotation with GT, then FSU, then Clemson, Miami, VT.
From SEC - TN, AL, LSU, GA, AU, FL
From B12 - TX, OK, CO,
And Yes - keep playing the service academies - respect for the history - and these schools need a big game as well. Every team has weaker opponents.
Regarding the “HAS BEEN” Label I would be careful of what you preach. All teams run in cycles.
USC was “has been” before Pete Carroll stepped in.
UGA - forgetting the Ray Goff era and JiM Donnan era?
Florida - what was Florida before Spurrier. Urban seems to have it going now as well.
LSU - How many years mediocre was LSU before Saban?
FSU - Who was FSU before Bowden went on that incredible run of excellent teams.
POINT IS - being consistent in the top 5 - let alone top 10 is very underappreciated.
IS Notre Dame and BAMA both has beens - ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Have we dropped back to the pack - yes!!!!
WILL THEY BOTH BE TOP 5 or TOP 10 again in the next few years. YES!!! Just look at our recruiting classes - they have been incredible and they will pan out.
By Zeke
May 9, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
My Lordy, when did Hall county get computers? Talk about a bunch of outraged squid-billies with a big old “G” tattooed above their butts…Georgia calling Bamma redneck…What a freaking oxymoron.We are asked because we travel well and would fill the stands up. P.S. the Dome is next to “GA Tech” in Atlanta, not Athens,and a bunch of shrub wetters.
By tech0326
May 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
I agree w/ you on the Mallett issue. The rule should not be abused.
By Ron
May 9, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Ah, I think I can see that it pains those who want their teams to be considered a storied program. To have what they will consider the best years in THEIR history and yet, they do not get the recognition they think they deserve.
It’s a good thing that the barn didn’t make it into the bcs title game in ‘04, they would have been pasted by USC, again. The reason the barn wasn’t there was because the barners are the rodney dangerfield of football! Who cares?! You only get respect when you deserve it, it really is that simple.
Consider this barner, even with your math we have 2-4 more nc’s to whatever you want to claim, while we do have those to claim, your most epic moment in football history? Beating Bama six in a row. I can see it now in about forty to fifty years down the road, grandson barner asks grandpa barner, gramps, did we barners ever win an nc? No grandson, but we did beat the Tide six in a row. That is the epitome of football lore there, at least to us barners anyway.
Oh yes, I like what I am seeing. the talk of this matchup gets under the skin of those fans who want the recognition they don’t deserve. I know a word for it, but, I would hate to see one of these upset fans go postal on someone else.
While you are praying for the Tide Not To Rise, why don’t you pray for another conference title? Since the barns most greatest coach of all time only has one, I am sure that he would like another.
By PTC Dawg
May 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
Honestly, I do hope Bama comes back. A strong Bama is good for UGA. We have to play AU every year, and it’s rare for both Bama and AU to be strong at the same time.
That said, I still say Bama/ND is a snorefest.
By 2008Champs
May 9, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
SECclFootball. I am saying that Alabama is only big in their own minds.
Look at your comment…”in the last 25 years BAMA has won as many NC’s and SEC titles as UGA has. I know, I know. All that counts for UGA is the time that Richt has been there, right??”.
SAY WHAT? Does that make Bama FAMOUS AGAIN? You BammerNecks do exactly what I said you all do, even when you don’t try too!
What does Alabama’s 1992 and 1999 seasons and UGA’s last five years have anything to do with Alabama playing ND?
I would rather see a UGA/Oklahoma, AU/Texas, UF/USC, LSU/UMiami neutral site game than Bama/ND.
Let ESPN Classic have your UA/ND.
Also, Little Nick, great recruiter or not, is not a good coach. The gig is up and no good assistant will coach for him. He has everything to sell right now and media has been his best friend (SEE this TB article and the AL.com) Let him have another 6-6 season and we’ll see how well he recruits.
ND has its Catholics. There are as many people who want to see them lose than win.
Bama, well they have the Bear Era. BFD! Those 25 years no longer define today’s college football. Tony Barnhart needs to promote the sport and not some lame a* has been football game.
By Got 12?
May 9, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
JohninJax,
The Georgia Dome, like any business, wants to make as much money as possible. Because of the travel time, local businesses (i.e. hotels) would benefit more from Alabama, as opposed to UGA or Tech, playing ND in the Dome.
And why would Tech play ND in the Dome instead of on The Flats?
RTR
By Haywood Jablowme
May 9, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Bammer has 12 titles? How many were won in the post Bear Bryant era? WHAT??!! 1 since 1979??!! I guess that puts Bammer on an even keel with UGA for titles in the last 28 years, doesn’t it? How many does Notre Shame have since 1980? WHAT ??!! One since then??!! Again, same as UGA in the last 28 years. Doesn’t look like such “storied and imposing” programs when compared with UGA, huh? Just stop it. Neither program has been all that since 1980. Now,how many SEC titles for Bammer since 1980? WHAT??!! Only 2?? How many for UGA? Can you Bammers say 5? Jeez, the way you all were talking, one would think there was an NFL team up there in Tuscalooser. Oh, well, say it loud and say it proud…..”PAROLE TIDE” !!!!!!
By HOT DAWG!!!!!
May 9, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Guys - this is why college football is the greatest sport….especially in the SOUTH!!!!!
There are so many teams in the south that are relevant to the success, tradion, and history to what makes college football special. Hust look in our immediate geographical area:
Bama - will be back! They are a powerhouse that had to pay their dues. Sould win 9 this year - will upset somebody along the way - look out 2009/2010 - when it all kicks in for them.
Auburn - Dark Horse in SEC this year. With Saban and LSU getting the attention. Auburn has improved their offensive scheme - has the athletes - and defense is never an issue on the plains.
Tennessee - Funny - winning the SEC East last year should have made Vols proud - but they feel that they lucked in with the tight victories - especially KY. BUT - they have beaten UGA 3 out of the last 4 years - and last year was a complete beat down - which seem to finally awaken the young dawgs to start playing to their potential.
Gators - Even during a “down” year - they were in the thick of it. This team is on a roll.
FSU - Recruiting - Recruiting - Recruiting…and FSU has got it going again!!!
Clemson - SO CLOSE - SO CLOSE - this will probably be their year in the ACC.
UGA - program on a roll - excellent recruiting classes last few years - has now jumped into the elite tier after being so close (see Clemson) under Donnan. SEC East is a three headed monster - Florida, TN, UGA.
Can’t wait until fall!!!!
By War Eagle
May 9, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
Hey Jeff, you just had another arrest At Tide parole, WR, drinking and fighting in public..JAILHOUSE ROCK by the way Bama does not have 12 NC, recount and post your sources…If Bama has 12, UGA has 4 and Tech 3..You could be correct, but I count only 7 for Bama…Most people on this board are not PAST people.
By Drexel Gal
May 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Nick Saban wants to play at the Georgia Dome because he has won every game he has ever coached there, from SEC titles to Peach/Chick Bowls. Perhaps he should make it his home field.
By Bammerfan
May 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
What is that stink??? typical red faced and stupid UGA fan! You rednecks in Athens are the worst fans in the SEC. Saban is 10 times the coach richt is and will prove it over the next 3 yrs.
UGA SUCKS!!!
By Bammerfan
May 9, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
Parole Tide??? Priceless. You need to examine your own group of thugs up at UGA.. How many arrests in the last year off of that fine upstaning program that wonderful CMR is running?
Check yourself.
By 2008Champs
May 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Bammerfan! Have you been drinking?
You are already paying the little man $4mil a year. Let him do something besides lose to LaMO before you make a boneheaded statements like that last one.
“Saban is 10 times the coach richt is and will prove it over the next 3 yrs.”
Richt just might put a hurting on Little Nicky next year. And I don’t think Little Nick is going to earn another chance to play UGA after 2008.
Toast! This Bud is for you.
By Regular Joe
May 9, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Notre Dame fans get real “offended” if you say something about their football team. Man up and win some football games. A better coach might help.
By Haywood Jablowme
May 9, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
How many times has Bammer beaten UGA since Mark Richt became coach? WHAT??!! NONE!!! How many times has Bammer beat UGA since Satan became coach?? WHAT??!! NONE??!! Check YOURSELF, you drunk, redneck inbred hillbilly and STOP living in the Bear Bryant past, you has beens.
By SecIsFootball
May 9, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
2008 Champs….If you would rather see those games, MAN UP AND SCHEDULE THOSE TEAM. We played a home and home with OU several years back so the “They dont want to come and play UGA excuse” wont work.
As for BAMA being big only in their own mind, if you dont recognize that we are among the elite in college football, you show your ignorance. Just because we have had a few bad years, doesnt mean we will be gone forever (much to your disappointment). If you want an example of that, take a look at UGA in the 90’s. Not exactly what I would call a world beating program. Say what you want about Saban but until Richt has a NC ring as a HC, you have no ground to stand on. You know as well as I do Saban can build a program and unless your head is in the sand, that is what he is doing at BAMA. I am not predicting NC’s (like some people on this board are for UGA), but he will have us competing for SEC titles every year.
While I may not agree with some of the things Richt has done, I am man enough to admit he is an outstanding coach. Too bad through your red and black glasses and bitterness toward BAMA, you cant see Saban is a pretty damned good coach in his own right that has something Richt wants!
Finally, what exactly is a BAMMER? Is that supposed to be some kind of insult because if so, I just dont get it because I am not terribly offended.
By SecIsFootball
May 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
HOT DAWG….While I agree UA-ND would not be the most exciting match up next year, the game would likely not take place for 4-5 years. Who knows what the teams will look like at that point. If ND can get someone in to coach the athletes Weiss has gotten and with the talent Alabama will bring in under Saban, that could be a good game down the road. However, getting that game scheduled with the AD at ND is near impossible.
By HOT DAWG!!!!!
May 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
Hey 2008 Champs - don’t count your chickens before they hatch!!!
Bama nearly beat us last year - they are low on depth - and it caught up to them last year. Remember - UAB beat LSU during Sabans early experience at LSU. But once he recruited the depth - they quickly ascended to the Elite field.
Who cares about the Bear ERA??… I do because I am a SEC fan and a college football fan …. just Like I care about our early 80”s run with Herschel. According to you - I guess that would not be relevent anymore - but it is a point of pride of which tradition and greatness are built upon.
2008 - you seem to be a young arrogant bandwagon fan that would probably would have Richt fired if we 9-4 a couple of years in a row. With so many excellent programs in our neck of the woods - it is incredibly difficult to consistently be at the top. That is what made the “Bear” special. This is what is making Georgia’s current success fun to watch and root for.
I hope you are right and we are 2008 Champs. Heck, I want to win it all 2009, 2010, etc. etc.!!!
But it will be a difficult challange with LSU, Florida, TN, AU are battling - throw in BAMA coming back up - then the upset minded Chickens of SC, Kentucky, Arkansas, which all would be in the top half of the big 10, big 12 or ACC - heck even Ms STATE, Ole Ms and Vandy will put a scare into you if you are not prepared. What an amazing conference!!
GO DAWGS - GO SEC
By HOT DAWG!!!!!
May 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
Hey 2008 Champs - don’t count your chickens before they hatch!!!
Bama nearly beat us last year - they are low on depth - and it caught up to them last year. Remember - UAB beat LSU during Sabans early experience at LSU. But once he recruited the depth - they quickly ascended to the Elite field.
Who cares about the Bear ERA??… I do because I am a SEC fan and a college football fan …. just Like I care about our early 80”s run with Herschel. According to you - I guess that would not be relevent anymore - but it is a point of pride of which tradition and greatness are built upon.
2008 - you seem to be a young arrogant bandwagon fan that would probably would have Richt fired if we 9-4 a couple of years in a row. With so many excellent programs in our neck of the woods - it is incredibly difficult to consistently be at the top. That is what made the “Bear” special. This is what is making Georgia’s current success fun to watch and root for.
I hope you are right and we are 2008 Champs. Heck, I want to win it all 2009, 2010, etc. etc.!!!
But it will be a difficult challange with LSU, Florida, TN, AU are battling - throw in BAMA coming back up - then the upset minded Chickens of SC, Kentucky, Arkansas, which all would be in the top half of the big 10, big 12 or ACC - heck even Ms STATE, Ole Ms and Vandy will put a scare into you if you are not prepared. What an amazing conference!!
GO DAWGS - GO SEC
By Haywood Jablowme
May 9, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
You aren’t offended, because you Bammers are used to LOSING !!
By woahnow
May 9, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
i just think its funny how all these UGA fans want to talk crap. its great to see an article on UA is getting over 100 responses. you guys seem to be the ones obsessed with our past, you wont let us drop it bc you wont drop it yourselves. I like the fact that everyone in the SEC is trying to put up this front, trying to hold UA down. lol. and for those of you who think ND is down and out, youre crazy. they were terrible last year and are STILL able to recruit nationwide and pull blue chippers. But i hate ND, but its pretty dumb to think they will never been a contender again.
By fishdude
May 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
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