Mr. College Football

By Tech Fan since 1950

January 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Tony:

It is not a “great” college football season unless the integrity of the game is protected. The NCAA should be running college football, not the BCS. The other divisions of college football have had playoffs for years and it is time for Division I, or whatever it is called, to do the same. Mr. College Football should know this! I congratulate Dr. Adams on his proposal.

By Concerned

January 8, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Can anyone say “grand-standing”?

By steeledawg

January 8, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Until the impossible happens, which would be that all conferences get 12 teams and a championship game, then the winners of each conference go on to a playoff, the plus one is the best model. It would not end all of the arguements, but it would eliminate a lot of them.

I think we could incorporate the plus one without the Rose, Big 10, or the Pac 10. Orange, Fiesta on New Years day matching 1 v. 4, 2 v. 3, and Sugar a week later with the winners facing off.

I have a feeling that the Rose, Big 10 and Pac 10 would be willng to play ball after missing out on the huge paydays for a few years.

However, the most important thing in my opinion, is to preserve the importance of the regular season. It truely is the best in all of sports.

By The Monk

January 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

It has to happen. If it takes an undiplomatic a$$ like Adams to start the fight, then so be it. I am sick to death of the Rose Bowl thinking its annual snooze fest deserves some special treatment. If nothing else, I say the BCS should drop the Rose and let them go back to have a USC beat down game every year while the rest of the BCS has a 4 team playoff. After a few year the Rose Bowl would become the NIT of college football. USC can get their AP trophy every year and the rest of us can enjoy the games til an 8 team arrangement can be set up.

By Dave

January 8, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

With the greatest sport comes the greatest passion, tradition and pagentry. All of this embodies college football. The process for a playoff has begun and it is one that can and will elevate the post season past even the Super Bowl. A nations ransom of money is to be made and the bowls can still remain intact. What THEY have to put aside is their collective egos…the Rose Bowl, in particular. If they don’t want to partake in this process, let them have their own party. Teams interested in being involved/invited to a playoff will do so. On the other hand, if teams are interested in just playing in a bowl and NOT be considered for the national championship, they can do that as well. Bottom line, let the bowls keep their pagentry and importance, but in the playoff format. The BCS bowls will be the last playoofs before the National Championship. If the Rose Bowl doesn’t want to play ball, let them invite the teams they want to be in their bowl and see who answers. The rest of the teams will play in the playoff with the possibility of playing in the national championship game. Bowls that see fit to remain aprt from this process will be cutting it’s own throat.

By tiger7_88

January 8, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

So when the Auburn Tigers get screwed in 2004, Mike Adams is feels that the BCS is still hunky-dory.

But when the whiney pups are placed into a situation where THEY feel a since of agrievement, then Mike Adams feels that we must have a playoff.

Yeah… nice to see you mangie mutts finally come around. Welcome to our club. You are still, however, a lesser member of the We Were Screwed Club.

By RWJ

January 8, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

All it takes to get a tourney is for the fans of college football to just stay a home for a few games to send the message that a tourney is what we want. I’ll be willing to bet that after the schools and the ncaa start losing money we’ll have a tourney very quickly. The bcs is a joke and the only things keeping it in place is the tradition of the bowl game. well its time for a change. you can still have the bowl games just in a tournament format. COME ON FAN LETS SEND THAT MESSAGE JUST STAY AT HOME A FEW GAMES.

By Joe Mac

January 8, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

A playoff is on the horizon and its parameters will be set by television, which owns the NCAA anyway like congressmen in DC are owned by big corporations.

By Will

January 8, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Tony, you should have said in your opening that this has been one of the best “regular” seasons you have ever seen. Because the bowl season has been awful, if not the worst ever. It’s time for a change, and unfortunately, it lies in the hands of the fans to make that change a reality. Next year at bowl time, don’t buy any tickets, attend any games and don’t spend anymore money in the cities that host them. Once we do that then the money hungry vultures will be forced into doing what the fans want.

By David Lee

January 8, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

* tiger7_88 At UGA we get things done. Unlike at AU you talk about it. Secondly, AU needs to work on its academics and then you can start worrying about football.*

By athensdawg

January 8, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

let the fight begin.

i’m sure, in just a couple of weeks, all the Ohio state fans will be posting how they can win the playoff because the big ten is the best conference in america….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

the rose bowl and bcs=affirmative action for the big ten.

By Dawgcrzy

January 8, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

I’ll believe it when I see it!

By Jeremy

January 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Let the Big 10 and PAC 10 sit out and the 1-4 play??? how will that work? Since 1997 the Big 10 has had 2 champions and the Pac 10, 2 as well. That would be great for the SEC if they didn’t need to worry about a matchup against USC or Michigan, both of whom have regularly made Southeastern teams look silly in bowl games!

By YUP

January 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

I’ll go along with any system other than the current one that lets ESPN decide.

By rhett

January 8, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

David Lee, please provide the evidence to back up your claim about academics? For example- the most recent football graduation rates I could find: Auburn- 59% Georgia- 45%

Source (USA Today, 2005)

Don’t write trash about types of classes taken unless you have facts on that too.

By GW

January 8, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Tony, keep us posted on this “discussion” within the NCAA. Also how about taking a look at how fans that support the schools by buying tickets and actually attending the games would be effected. We always are worried about the TV fans and ad dollars and forget the loyalty of a school’s alumni fan base.

By Football Fan

January 8, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

I cannot wait until August 30th of this coming football season.

There will be 73,000+ in the Georgia Dome for the Alabama - Clemson game. There will be less than 30,000 at Grant Field for the Georgia Tech - Jacksonville State game.

Ironic, isn’t it? Perhaps they can call the Alabama - Clemson game the Roady’s Truck Stop Embarrass Tech Bowl.

By Pat

January 8, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Lets start by eliminating about 15 bowls and all conference tie-ins to bowls. Teams and coaches settling for 6 or 7 wins might then play and coach a little harder and that will make it easier to pick the top 4 or 8 teams. Keep the 12 game schedule. a playoff will only effect a few schools. That won’t destroy academic integrity.

By scribe

January 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

**The 3 biggest jokes in college football are: Jim Delany- Big 10 commissioner Tom Hansen- Pac 10 commissioner Mike Tranghese- Big East commissioner

If you want to know why, read the following column

http://sportsillust rated.cnn.com/2008/w riters/the_bonus/01/ 02/bcs.future/index. html **

By Dawgcrzy

January 8, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

I’m reading the articles about why we need a playoff(and we need one)but what I’m not reading is what we as fans can do to let our voices be heard.There is to many politics.You can’t fight city hall.Or can you? I have always liked the bowl format until the BCS took charge.Tony,what can we do?

By Bud

January 8, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

An eight team playoff would take away from the regular season, look at March Madness. Do you watch any basketball games until then? A plus one is the way to go and the easiest to install. It’s already almost in place now. And there can’t really be as many question about who is ranked number one when you play the top four teams. Five through eight aren’t really number one material (or else they’d be in the top four). A case could be made for the top four though. A plus one model would be good to me.

By animaldr

January 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Wow, what a morning! Now I am no Adams supporter, BUT- This is a step in the right direction.

And I know this- Adams can hold his own in just about ant fight. This could get very interesting.

By Cedartown Bulldog

January 8, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

If you don’t get behind Mr Adams now you should never complain about rankings again.If you want to be passive and pretend then shut your gutless mouth and never open it again to whine about how they cheated us or got it wrong…you’re the problem.

By Randy

January 8, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Who is going to get hurt, Tony? Conference commisioners? Bowl commisioners?

How about a little more info?

By Dawgcrzy

January 8, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

C”TOWN B”DOG….Who is you?

By baloney

January 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

I’m sure that all the anti Adams crowd at UGA will embrace him if they think he is on “their” side in helping UGA win a Nat’l Championship.

By BEN CAREY

January 8, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

I WANT TO CONGRAULATE LSU ON THAT THRASHING OF OHIO STATE IF ONLY GEORGIA COULD HAVE PLAYED IN THE SEC WEST THEY WOULD BE PLAYING FOR IT BUT UNFORTUNATLY THEY PLAY IN THE EAST WAY TO GO LSU 3-2 IN YOUR LAST FIVE GAMES WITH LOSSES TO POWERFUL WOOOOOOOOO PIG SIEOUX AND KENFUCKY

By BEN CAREY

January 8, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

I WANT TO CONGRAULATE LSU ON THAT THRASHING OF OHIO STATE IF ONLY GEORGIA COULD HAVE PLAYED IN THE SEC WEST THEY WOULD BE PLAYING FOR IT BUT UNFORTUNATLY THEY PLAY IN THE EAST WAY TO GO LSU 3-2 IN YOUR LAST FIVE GAMES WITH LOSSES TO POWERFUL WOOOOOOOOO PIG SIEOUX AND KENFUCKY

By dirtydawg

January 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Bud,

I would be happy with a 4 team playoff as well but to say “And there can’t really be as many question about who is ranked number one when you play the top four teams. Five through eight aren’t really number one material (or else they’d be in the top four). A case could be made for the top four though.”

Just does not make sense. So who would not be deserving this year by your statements? OSU,LSU,UGA,USC,OKL there are a few more but those are the big boys. Which one do you leave out?

I like the 8 team idea. Your arguement would hold up more in an 8 team debate. If your 9 or 10 then you have less of an arguement. (well maybe)

By sgdawg

January 8, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

This will come down to a fight over who controls and distributes the money. Ever wondered why there isn’t already a playoff with the huge amount of money it would generate. Its because as I understand it the BCS and the conferences distribute the money made at the bowl games and the NCAA is not involve at all. The NCAA has no control over the bowl system unlike March Madness which they run. More money then goes DIRECTLY to the universities and conferences that participate in the bowl games (No NCAA administrative fees, etc). In Adams proposal the NCAA would run and distribute the money. Make no mistake this isn’t about the best for the kids or a “true national champion” it is a fight for who will control the big money that will be ponied up by the networks and corporations. Hope Adams can succeed but I hope he is ready for WWIII.

By James

January 8, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Nice thought but will never happen. Before long, the schools in the old 1-AA, II, and III divisions might start to think they need a playoff system to decide champion. Oh, wait… they alreay have that and it works great. Either you have the wins and get invited, or YOU DON’T. Case closed. But then again, these schools don’t command the $$$.

By SEC Champs

January 8, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Playoffs are only for teams that win their conference.

Start out in the same fashion as the NCAA Basketball tournament where they only allowed conference champions to play in the post season and then expand from that if necessay (add wildcard teams)

By Paul Hamilton

January 8, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

You can’t change the system without getting your hands dirty. You have to give Adams credit for having the balls to step out there and try to start the process. Every sport from high school to professional sports has some kind of playoff to determine it’s champion, except division 1 football. It’s time to wake up and make the change.

By AltamahaDawg

January 8, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

SEC champs , have you ever actually seen a NCAA basketball tourney?????? Only conference champs are allowed to play huh? Big March Madness fan are you?

By Sam Williams

January 8, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

The playoff system could work, here the formula,there4 BCS bowls. The top 8 teams will play in those bowl. the four BCS bowls are use like a final four, and the championship game is rotated among the 4 BCS bowls. That is the formula now. If the Rose does not want in then include the Cotton, then let see if the the PAC10 and BIG10 don’t come a running.

By Thomas

January 8, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

I say the only way you can work this out is to go with a Plus 1 format and go back to the traditional bowl system pre-BCS. This way we could at least eliminate one of the pretenders from the Big 10 or should I say Big 1. If we could just get a deal with Big 12 to play the SEC in the Sugar Bowl we could eliminate another annual pretender from that conference.

By DT

January 8, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Feelings?

Tony, are you implying that bowl commissioner’s feelings should play into whatever decision is made?

The whole idea behind any kind of sporting event is to determine who’s the best at it. The best way to determine this is via some kind of elimination event conducted in a logical manner: a tournament or playoff.

Anything else means nothing.

I can give a rip about a bunch of cronies and their friggin tradition. Gimme a playoff.

By Bud

January 8, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

DirtyDawg:

1. Georgia Bulldogs
2. Missouri Tigers
3. U-S-C Trojans
4. Kansas Jayhawks

Look at #’s 5-8. Only UGA and not so much USC deserved to be considered ranked in the top 4. (ESPN lobbied for USC to be in the top spot with appalling and transparent bias). USC lost to crap teams!

If you consider 8 teams, you might as well consider 16. You have to draw the line somewhere. The top 4 are a whole lot more credible than 5-8.

Go Dawgs!

By reality check

January 8, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

I think Adams may be right that the presidents will come to their senses and see this is a way to reclaim some power from TV and the bowls.

You say those people have been good to college football Tony? I’m having a hard time buying that and an even harder time believing they won’t be crying all the way to the bank.

College presidents must not be very bright if they think college football is a one semester sport. They are in total la la land if they are not aware of winter workouts, spring practice, and “voluntary” workouts attended by all the players during summer school.

I think a lot of them are not particularly bright, but I don’t think they are that stupid.

The money issues and television contracts may be complex, but it will be hard to persuade me there won’t be more money made with a college playoff than without it. That 12th game is a recent experiment and my bet is the marginal income mostly benefits the programs that are already successful.

By Eric1

January 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

I can’t remember the last time we had a true National Champion. I don’t expect to see one any time soon.

By Ken Kavanaugh Jr.

January 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

President Adam’s suggestion reflects the conventional wisdom of the day: take the final rankings away from the talking heads, sportswriters, and too busy to pay attention coaches. Let the gladiators slay each other until only one battered and bloodied survivor remains- the True Champion!( or was it a bad call, or foul weather, or injured QB, or partisan crowd that fans think unfairly determined the final winner?) Sounds almost fool proof, except who determines those final eight teams? The same polls as today or just the AP or Coaches Poll or maybe, gasp!just a new NCAA Presidents Poll.

In ‘03 when LSU won the BCS National Championship we were no. 2 across the board. We would have beaten any team, it just happened to be Oklahoma. We wanted USC, but it didn’t make any difference. This year LSU was no.2 across the board again, and we would have beaten any team again. And by the way, every SEC team that has won the National Championship was first the SEC Champion. So the Georgia players, who didn’t even win their Eastern Division might want to attend their history classes before whining about the True Champion. See them next October 25 in Death Valley, where they will cry some more.

By tom

January 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Michael Adams is the worst thing that has ever happened to the University of Georgia. He is a complete fool! And you can quote me on that. Dr. Thomas Johnson Class of 1974

By Zeke

January 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

So instead of hosting an annual game between two of the top eight teams in the country under Adam’s playoff scenario, the Rose Bowl would rather have a Pac 10/Big 10 matchup of USC vs. Illinois? Doesn’t make sense!

By Matt

January 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

The ROSE BOWL as a quarterfinal??? What an idiot … Still, I think an eight-team playoff is the way to go — it’s not like the #9 team will be able to say we wuz robbed.

By Embrace the Flames

January 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Since it is we the people that line the pockets of those who make the policies that we so detest, it is also we the people who can force them to change their ideas about how to exploit a time-honored American tradition. It falls to us to stop paying to see these farce-bowls. A boycott is in order, and it is the only thing that will break the iron grip of the money worshiping corporate moguls. Here are some reasons why we should do this:

1. It is not fair to the team that actually wins the NC to have their accomplishments undermined by a swarming mob of opinionated football fans.

2. It is not fair to the teams who have every legitimate right to play in the big game but get denied because the Pac-10 and Big-10 want to be babies and play “I’ll take my toys and go home.”

3. The Pac-10 and Big-10 are opposed to a playoff because they know they are going to get creamed by the Big-12 and SEC every year. In fact, they should just go ahead and revise the names of these conferences to “The Bigger than Appalacian State 10” and “USC + 9 teams for them to beat”.

4. So that all the Big-10 alumni that work for ESPN can gather up their stuff and run like hell for the hills with their tails between their legs and their heads bowed in shame.

5. Because the excitement of the regular season will not be affected at all by the implementation of a playoff. You still have to finish in the top 4 or 8 teams out of 130+ in order to have a chance to dance. It usually that one game they a team let slip away that separates the top 8 teams from the rest of the ranked teams anyway. So I think the argument that a playoff would ruin the regular season is pretty absurd.

Also, I’m tired of all the brainless media jargon trying to tell me who the best teams are. After last night, its pretty clear they don’t know what they are talking about. And Lou Holtz must be the stupidest ex-coach on the planet. =|

By Joey

January 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Tony, I remember at the end of the regular season you gave us a breakdown of the coaches votes. Could you do that again for the final USA Today Poll? I am interested to see which coaches simply watch ESPN and put USC ahead of UGA. USC beat the #13 team going into the bowl games, handily. UGA beat the #10 team, handily. How can a coach put USC ahead of UGA. It simply doesn’t make sense.

By Ken Kavanaugh Jr.

January 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

President Adam’s suggestion simply echos today’s conventional wisdom. Let the fierce gladiators settle the playoff rankings on the football field. Then only one battered and bruised True Champion will be left standing after the playoff carnage.

Adams wants to take the decision of who merits playing for the Championship out of the hands of the talking heads, sportswriters, too busy to pay attention Coaches, and computers.

But who picks the “final eight” anointed teams? The AP? The Coaches? The BCS system? or (gasp!) a new NCAA Presidents Poll?

Unfortunately politics won’t be the only road block encountered. The greed, ego, inertia, and distrust embedded in the existng “powers that be” insure a long and winding path to simply another compromised system.

In the meantime, LSU is the only team to win 2 BCS National Championships. In ‘03 we were a consensus number 2 and wanted to play USC, but we beat Oklahoma and would have beaten USC too. Last night LSU, as the consensus number 2 again, faced a controversial number one and beat them too! We would have loved to face USC or Georgia and would have beaten them as well.

The Georgia/LSU controversy will be settled in Death Valley next October 25. And by the way, in the long history of NCAA National Champions every SEC team that won the National Championship first won the SEC Championship. Georgia’s whining about LSU and not the Dawgs being chosen for the big game tells me the players might have been skipping their history classes. These guys didn’t even win the 2007 Eastern Division much less the SEC Championship, maybe next year. And yes, LSU was very fortunate to have the stars line up so we could get a chance to prove on the field who is the True Champion. Just like President Adams wants it to be.

By Matt

January 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

It’s funny to me how all you Dawg fans forget that you were a Vandy fumble away from being a 3-loss nobody.

By bull-gator

January 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Dr Adams certainly is the master of timing isn’t he? If his Georgia Bulldog supporters weren’t so erroneously convinced they should have been in the title game, you wouldn’t hear a peep out of him. Ever. There is a time and a place for everything, but dear Dr Adams, this ain’t it. Let LSU and the SEC savor their success and take this matter up through the chain of command and that doesn’t mean the prejudiced, myopic, “homer mentality” media.

By marcusdogs

January 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Collegiate athletics DO NOT owe its fans “play-offs” or “undisputed #1” team. Sorry, but It’s not our god given right. NFL is a business and its only goal is to make profit. To insure they make profit, they give NFL fans drama, play-offs and super bowl. You see, NFL didn’t invent the football, they just packaged it nicely for the fans so that they can make money. For universities, making money from football is not and should not be the only goal. However, we are getting there and it’s sad.

By Embrace the Flames

January 8, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Matt -

Personally, I would have much rather watched the #7 team play the #2 team in the Rose Bowl as opposed to the #6 team vs the #13 team….whom are both grossly overrated…are you kidding me?

When was the last time that the Rose Bowl actually meant anything? Even if the Pac-10 and Big-10 had the #1 and #2 teams in the country, they still wouldn’t be in the Rose Bowl.

Please just back away from your keyboard and turn off the ESPN now before you hurt yourself.

By Quincy C.

January 8, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

hey ben carey…LSU has 2 Crystal NC Trophys in Football in Baton Rouge…and uga? some crystal for womens gymnastics?? Geaux Tigers!!

By reality check

January 8, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

It is funny to fans of the number 2 ranked Georgia Bulldogs why you would think we care about your reaction Matt.

By ET

January 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

What Michael Adams really wants is to play the NC game every year in Athens with UGA playing a team of his choosing, ticket prices of $5,000, parking for $500, no drinking within 100 miles of the stadium, and Mark Richt telling fans of both teams what to wear.

By GeoffDawg

January 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Ken Kavanaugh Jr, I am loathe to bring up this argument again given that it’s all been a moot point for weeks now but I think you’re not the one paying attention to history when both Oklahoma and Nebraska have played for BCS championships without winning their conference title. The BCS had many opportunities to make this a rule but chose not to precisely to allow for that possibility. It was the same national media who thought that Oklahoma was a world beater before they got smoked by USC that suddenly fell in love with this idea this year that you have to win your conference. That influenced the human polls which ultimately lead to Georgia’s exclusion. How else do you explain a mediocre team like Va. Tech jumping Georgia in the last BCS standings of the regular season?

By Mark

January 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

If it’s to be a true play-off system, then scheduling the games solely in the the backyard bowl arenas of the SEC and PAC 10 will have to cease. I don’t expect there will be many southerners or westerners willing to travel to the cold environs of the North and Midwest in December, even if the game is held in a domed arena.

By GeoffDawg

January 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Also, off topic - who else thought that Fox did a remarkably better job last night than they did with the Sugar Bowl? They actually had the revelation that fans might want to see replays and different camera angles of controversial plays! Beyond that, that sanctimonious and self righteous jerk Thom Brennaman wasn’t quite as insufferable as usual.

By Embrace the Flames

January 8, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

LSU is a great team. Let them have their moment in the sun for Pete’s sake. Never mind that UGA is a young team that lost because they were starting freshman and sophomores. Never mind that UGA is returning the most talented team in the country for the next 2-3 years, possibly more. Never mind that LSU is graduating virtually their whole team. If we hadn’t lost two games, young and experienced or not, we would have had our chance this year. Do you other Dawgs fans really think we won’t get our redemption? Look at our roster. Look at our recruiting classes. We will have our precious little crystal trophy soon enough. Don’t disrespect LSU because it isn’t their fault we didn’t get to play. LSU earned their national championship and lets just bask in the fact that they exposed OSU and the rest of the Big-10 for the farce that they are. Congrats LSU, I look forward to future match-ups.

By Monolithicdawg

January 8, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Please go back 26 years to the discussions surrounding the creation of the FCA when television contracts were being challenged, and the arguments for and against the schools and conferences being allowed to negotiate the contracts, rather than the NCAA. The argument is essentially the same: Change is painful to college football. It all has to do with money, but for the good of the fans, the money SHOULD be redistributed. I know that sounds like some kind of socialist concept, but the NCAA member schools are not a free economy anyway.

Once the switch is hit for a playoff, I expect it to move relatively quickly to a 16 team playoff, as the revenue will come from playoff tv, and more is better, the same reason the NBA went to more playoff teams with more games per round. But it is amazing the similarities to 26-27 years ago when Coach Dooley was involved in getting more tv revenue for schools. Now that is a given, and even the Big 10 has it’s own network and all conferences will soon, which is another threat to fan money, IMO. But that is another story for another day.

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

In the best Jim Mora Sr impersonation “Playoffs ? Playoffs?”: Michigan v App State, USC v Stanford, LSU v Kentucky, Georgia v South Carolina, OSU v Illinois, Oklahoma v Colorado, Florida v Auburn, WVU v Pittsburg.

Yeah, that settles everything.

GeoffDawg, BUT if that #4 team had been Notre Dame (stop laughing it could happen someday) that lost to USC and Navy they would have been in the NC game. THAT is the only thing that bothers me about the “system”. I am a UGA fan that believes that if you lose a game you can’t complain about where you end up. No complaints from me for this year. Proud of the way the team bounced back to finish #2. Go Dawgs!

By Oldawg

January 8, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Leave it to Michael “The Weasel” Adams to come up with something that (1) He knows nothing about and (2) at an inappropriate time.

By illogical

January 8, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Here’s the deal…(16) teams into the first round: the champs of the ACC, Big 10+1, Big 12, Big East, Pac 10, SEC, WAC, and the 2nd place teams from the conference championship games of the ACC, Big 12, SEC, plus six remaining at large teams (No limit on conference participation). Make these (8) first round games the weekend before Christmas. The (4) second round games played Dec 31 and Jan 1 in the bowls; Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar. The (2) third round games the second weekend in January at rotating major city “good weather” venues, e.g., Tampa, Miami, Dallas, Phoenix, Los Angeles, San Francisco, etc. The (2) winners play the 3rd weekend in January for the National Championship (the weekend before the Superbowl).

By Dogs will Choke

January 8, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Dogs being ranked # 2 is Comical and just goes to show that the BCS is a Joke! One thing right though, The DAWGS ARE # 2 which is SH%T!… Sorry dawgs but it will be very unlikely that the next NC will be a SEC team next year. Aint gonna happen! So come back down to earth you mutts. You lost to a pathetic SC team and got Manhandled at Tenn. and got a lucky lucky break at Vandy to reach the Sugar, Count your blessings! You think that your were a young team with a lot of freshman playing…. well wait next year when the sophomore jinxs hits the dawgs and the swelling heads of the pups wont be as good as they thought they would be……BTW Hawaii was a joke and if the dawgs would have hung a half a hundred on the warriors and also not allowed that last TD , the dawgs might have been ranked # 2 in both the USA Today and AP polls. CMR needs to understand that good teams must have a stingy defense and also score STYLE POINTS when they can. So Come back to EARTH Dawg Nation!!!!!

By Steve

January 8, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

The networks know the Big Ten and the Pac Ten make up over 60% of the TV market and will not stand for a playoff that exludes the Big Ten and Pac Ten from any potential playoff. You think ratings for bowls are bad now, imagine taking over 60% of the potential market right out from the beginning regardless of who plays in the game. That is why it will NEVER work without the blessing of the Big Ten and the Pac Ten. Five of the past six BCS title games have contained either USC or Ohio State and to eliminate either school from the National Title game would not be a prudent move by the NCAA as to do so would reduce the amount of money the networks would pay for the rights to broadcast the games….(not to get on a different soap box but…how else would Urban Meyer, Less Miles (expected to sign a 3 plus million extention by the end of the week) and Nick Saban get paid…they could use a piece of “humble pie” served by the 2nd winningest coach in college football, Joe Pa who makes a paltry 512k or less than 25% of what Meyer, Miles, Saban gets…If only those universities used their money for academia purposes, they could become World Class Institutions. If you really want to see how much academics matter to the Big Ten, click on the link and compare the bonuses paid to the coaches for graduation and GPA’s above 3.0 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_contracts07/flash.htm) )

Another point, since when is it the Big Ten and Pac Ten commissioners job to look out for or even care what the SEC - Big 12 - Big East - ACC - ect think? They were hired by their conference to represent their conference and their interest. I think they have done a fine job.

As a parting shot, every other conference can only dream of having their own TV channel like the Big Ten Network.

By Ken Kavanaugh Jr.

January 8, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

GeoffDawg. Good point, but we knew that didn’t we. Rules, in this case, bow to common sense and in the SEC, history. Despite the logic of not only getting to your Conference Championship, much less winning it,how about just winning your Division as a prerequisite to Greatness? I like the Dawgs, my daughter is a UGA grad and they should be very good next season. But no matter who wins next Oct. 25 in BR, each of us still has to win our own Division and then the Conference to be considered by the National polls to qualify for the Championship.

By Embrace the Flames

January 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

“Five of the past six BCS title games have contained either USC or Ohio State “

Thats exactly the problem…

Pac10 in BCS NC game = 1-1 Big10 in BCS title game = 1-2

Pac10 and Big10 teams besides for OSU and USC to play in BCS NC game = ZERO

The SEC on the other hand is a stellar 4-0 in BCS NC games with 3 different teams claiming the honors - not to mention the likely difference we would see in these stats had Auburn not been flagrantly cheated by the anti-SEC media-controlled BCS system.

Is anyone else sensing an obvious and flagrant MEDIA BIAS here? Basically, since 60% of the television audience root for Big10 or Pac10 teams, they automatically get a chance to play for the NC, regardless of how good or deserving they actually are. Thanks for making that point Steve.

By Embrace the Flames

January 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Kind of makes it obvious why they would oppose a playoff, doesn’t it?

By GeoffDawg

January 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Ken, I do believe that a conference championship being a prerequisite to playing in the BCS title game has some merit but until that is an official rule, the best we can hope for is consistency in the decision making process. The media clearly had their own agenda for firebombing Georgia (IMO - it was just the herd mentality. Once ESPN started trying to be the trend setter for a change in direction, everyone else just jumped on board) but anyone who follows the game closely will know that if Georgia had been in this position three or four years ago, they would’ve likely played in the big game. It’s the same as you would ask for from any referee - it doesn’t matter that much how you call the game as long you call it consistently and fairly for both teams.

Also Steve, come on! I’m sure that Big 10 and Pac 10 television is a sizable market but 60% of the country? Can you post your source as that’s hard to believe when that excludes the South (Georgia, Florida, etc), much of the mid and south west (Texas) and the north east (New York, Massachusetts)?

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Steve, who do you think is going to pay that 4 million that WVU is suing Rodriguez for? Michigan? Rodriguez? No, boosters. The booster’s “associations” account for the majority of the coaches salary. So that is money that does not come from the state and probably wouldn’t have gone to the university to start with. You truly think that JoePa makes 525K a year? I have a mountain climbing school in Florida that I will sell you (complete with mountain). Get off you Big Ten high horse and get somebody else to the NC game other than the “SEC’s Whipping Post”, aka, Ohio State or Oh and Nine v SEC.

By Ugadawg1

January 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

I just find it funny that the only unbiased pole, the AP, isn’t even used any longer in determining the BCS rankings. I understand that there are regional biases with AP voters, but it’s a lot better than coaches like Stoopes coming out with that joke of a final regular season pole.

It’s also funny how a tv network and a bunch of computers have more power over who plays in the championship game combined with a bunch of coaches lobbying like politicians on that same network for their teams to be playing, when you can just line up the teams and let them decide it on the field.

By An AU & Ute man

January 8, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

I am an alum of both Auburn (SEC) and the Univ of Utah (MWC). In 2004, both of my schools went undefeated, played and won in a BCS bowl, and finished 2 & 4 in the polls. I felt either of my teams could have given USC (the #1) a game to remember. In fact, it would have been a better bowl game if they had played each other rather than VT & Pitt as they had to do. The BCS bowl system is set up to make money for the corps that sponsor these events and to reward the players for a good season. The media & polls in 2004 decided that USC was the best team but in my heart I believe AU was the best with Utah right there too. The polls mean nothing because USC didn’t play AU or Utah so it is still mythical as it has been for all existence. It’s like trying to prove or dissprove the existence of God, it cannot be done. In 2004, my schools were 25-0 and I enjoyed it. Beat that! Nobody was undefeated this year and IMHO no 2007 team was really great. My team was 1 second from being better than the current NC(LSU) and the only team to beat the 2006 NC(FL). I think year in year out the SEC conference top to bottom is better than any other conference but there will always be schools in other conferences that produce great teams (ie. Miami, FSU, Clemson, OK, NE, USC, PSU, OSU, MI, TX & ND) and it goes in cycles. Hell, SMU was a great team not so long ago. Until every conference has a conference championship nothing will be equal and it wil still be mythical. Besides USC lost to Stanford, LSU to AK, OSU to IL, GA to SCar, OK to CO which means no one was best for the year. Go undefeated, then b***.

By Embrace the Flames

January 8, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

GeoffDawg, its not hard for me to believe the 60% statistic. Those southern states you mentioned are agricultural states with far less population than many of the Big-10 and Pac-10 states.

Oh yea, and Steve from “Multiplicity” - the Big 10 is a joke man. Wake up little snoozy and smell the Rose Bowl. OSU and UM have proven that beyond all doubt. Here’s an idea for your precious Rose Bowl - Let the championship game of NCAA div 1-AA be played their instead. I am positive we would get much better games between much better teams. Peace.

By Embrace the Flames

January 8, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

I have a new idea. Let the whole SEC just withdraw from the BCS and at the end of each season, the SEC champs will play the BCS champs in an exhibition game at the “BCS is a Joke” Bowl, with exclusively television contracts for the Big-10 and Pac-10 networks.

By GeoffDawg

January 8, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Well, I know that the Big 10 and Pac 10 encompass some populous states (ie. California, Illinois, Michigan) but they also have their share that aren’t exactly known for tipping the electoral college (Iowa, Oregon, Minnesota). In any case, as we learn every presidential election, the biggest states are California, New York, Texas, and Florida in that order. As such, it’s hard for me to fathom the over 60% number he threw out with no supporting evidence.

Be that as it may, it really makes no difference though when it appears that ESPN decision makers and policy setters are 90% Big 10 alum every season. Look at the game day crew - Practically everyone of them has Big 10 ties and even though Mark May went to Pitt, he traditionally bags on everything SEC. Also, as I discovered following the horrific Sugar Bowl coverage, Fox’s lead college broadcaster Thom Brennaman is also the lead broadcaster for the Big 10 network. It’s like they’re not even making an effort at hiding their conflict of interest anymore.

By Will

January 8, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Look at my alma-Valdosta State…The # 8 seed in the NCAA Division II Playoffs and the eventual national champs. If they were in Division 1A they would have never had a chance, and been stuck in some bowl like the Cotton bowl or something. Instead, the championship is fought on the field, and the best team won.

By reality check

January 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Steve is like a lot of Big 10 fans -dazed and confused after their champion pretender got smacked around by the SEC again this bowl season. Denial can be an ugly thing.

Fact is, the Big 10 and Pac 10 and the Rose Bowl do NOT control college football and they could not dictate whether or not a playoff would succeed.

Under the current arrangement the BCS has a contract with Fox (which I think did a miserable job by the way) except for the Rose Bowl which has a contract with ABC.

If the NCAA decides to go the route Adams is suggesting the Rose Bowl will go on and broadcast by ABC as usual. Why would it not?

What would the Big 10 and Pac 10 have to lose by permitting their winner to go to the next game? Denying the PAC 10 and Big 10 to be considered for the National Championship would be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Why would they not want their winner to play in lucrative games to determine the NC? How is the Rose Bowl hurt, other than by the fact their winner is likely to be shown to be a weakling that can’t cut it on the field. The reason Ohio State is winning the popularity contests is partly due to the support of the AP voters from their 60% market share that Steve claims.

By BT

January 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Adams’ proposal may be the best with some minor tweeking of the venues. I think the Rose should take a back seat to any proposal. But I say no AND I MEAN NO, to the plus one patsy. Whatever we do we cannot compromise to the plus one. It will be an even larger debacle than what we saw with the BCS. We haven’t yet witnessed the dirty politics that “p** one” would bring. If you are #9 looking in then you really can’t complain but if we had a plus one today you would have either Bulldogs or Trojans taking to the streets for being shunned.

By Michael

January 8, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

What’s the saying? You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs?

If it must get ugly, then so be it. It’s time for this sham to come to an end.

By An AU & Ute man

January 8, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Folks, it is all mythical anyway. BSC Conferences are not equal. Even teams within BSC conferences are not equal. Some play hard other Div 1 teams, others play App State (and get beat). No undefeated team = No NC!! in 2007. LSU’s claim in flawwed by flawwed system of trying to prove something unprovable.

By BC$ Slave

January 8, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Mike Slive questions the “timing” of Adam’s proposal of a playoff. LOL. Slive if slimy. He is a worthless money grubbing scum. He makes me sick.

Slive said Tuesday is “LSU’s Day”. Crazy Les repeated it. LOL. This is supposed to be college football’s day, and the BC$ ruined it. It is supposed to be the day when the fans say, “we have a true national champion” but instead we get bitterness and anger.

LSU was not deserving of jumping five spots in the polls. Ohio State CLEARLY wasn’t in the same league with the SEC. On a given day, any team can win a game. But Ohio State has been a pretender for the past two years, getting blown out by SEC teams. Why are they still voted so highly each year? They play an easy schedule…much easier than SEC teams play…so they should go undefeated. Two teams played for the NC who had to be voted into it by the biased coaches and media.

We need a playoff. The lousy college presidents and chancellors aren’t going to give us one, it seems. They harp about “academics”. Let’s see if they stand by their principles when the fans stop going to bowl games and their schools stop benefitting from them. I know this…I won’t be watching the bowls anymore. I won’t support such an unfair system.

By Top Dawg

January 8, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

If anyone payed close attention to the BCS selection show they would’ve seen the dirtiest plays all year long without ever leaving the studio. There was on ESPN and Fox a gathering of yankees who met cloak and dagger the night before peddling their will upon the collective base of college football.

The mission was simple for these Big Ten alums, keep UGA out of the national title and more importantly the Rose by downplaying their body of work and saying Oklahoma and Virginia Tech were better.

It’s deeper than UGA not going to the title game to these pundits. They wanted to make certain there would be no Rose for the Dawgs. If the Bulldogs were invited to the supposed “Granddaddy” then there would have to be some explanations in history that no one from the Rose committee, Pac 10 or Big 10 would want to explain.

You see, Alabama, Georgia Tech and Georgia have been to the Rose. Didn’t know that, did ya?! If UGA were to play in the game there would be clips from their victory over UCLA and other possible SEC-Rose memoirs.

But if those teams used to play in the Rose then the Rose hasn’t always been about the Big Ten and Pac Ten, a claim that the Rose defends so they can hault any change to the current corrupt system.

Those cloak and dagger copy boys not only hail from the Big 10 but also hold the rights to the one bowl that holds all the college football nation hostage. UGA was actually closer to getting snubbed by the BCS completely had they truly succeeded.

By Finnmann

January 8, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

The treatment of a playoff as the panacea for college football is naive, and I am tired of having the media treat a playoff as coming from the fans, when it is in their interest to have a big story. I oppose a playoff, as I feel that it is no more fair than the current system. Selecting the top 8 teams is entirely subjective. Look at the comments, and you’ll see that there are those who will think the system is unfair unless it is a playoff between the top 8 SEC teams, and there are those who will complain that the selection is unfair because it will be conducted by people who haven’t seen a Pac 10 game. I think that we will demolish a tradition for a system that will be no better.

By Comin' Down The Track

January 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

On a side note. Dear CBS, please, for the love of all that is good and decent, renew your contract with the SEC. Don’t make us watch and/or listen to Rupert Murdoch’s network of infantile nitwits. That would be like being held hostage by a swath of slobbering pants-poopers at a remedial daycare… a fate worse than a “View” marathon on ESPN. Oh, wait. I think they call that show “First Take.” Anyway, you get the picture.

By BC$ Slave

January 8, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

Crazy Les is such a slimy creep. His comments are so sanctimonious and ridiculous. He acts like only LSU’s efforts to get what LSU wants are dignified. Everyone else are crass, self serving nitwits. It was Crazy Les’ political gamesmanship that should have been saved for another day.

No Crazy Les, we don’t care about the championship game because it is a farce. Occasionally the BC$ might get it right. It was not this year. LSU won the beauty contest because the media and coaches are biased. Your “damn fine football team” is no more deserving than three or four other teams. In fact, they are less so because you were ranked 7th going into the CC.

LSU stumbled into the championship game. If this had been a playoff, LSU would not have survived. They were stumbling with injuries and fatigue. This is why we can say they were not the best team in college football…they didn’t really have to prove it on the field. OSU was another pretender crowned #1 by biased coaches and media. They didn’t even play a CC and were put in the NC, contradicting the argument of so many media and a CC was needed to get into the game.

The BC$ stinks. Right now the media is defending it for the most part. Why? Because they have the power through their bully pulpit to sway the results for ratings and readership.

We need an 8 team play off. Screw the Rose Bowl. Let them keep their little bowl and let their traditional teams play in it. Let the media and coaches vote one of them national champs if they want. But let a committee make the choice of who plays in the playoff (Making their votes public) and let the teams decide it on the field.

Yes there will still be problems and yes there will be teams who feel left out. But we will be in a better place than we’ve been in for a long time.

By BC$ Slave

January 8, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Finnman,

You know, if you require the slotting to be done with conference champions only, narrowed by a very large committee of voters who are not graduated from or closely associated with a Div 1A school, then we have a better chance of getting fairness into the process. If we have an 8 team playoff, we should be able to get the top 8 teams without too much argument.

By UnderDog

January 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Dogs will choke…..go F* yourself.Your Tech teams will NEVER be ranked as high or come close to winning the conference OR beat UGA in the near future. 7 in a row in 07……soon to be 8 in a row in 08. Oh, and with a finish of #2 in the nation.

By BC$ Slave

January 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Comin’ Down the Track,

AMEN!!

By Adamns

January 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately, Michael Adahms has no credibility among his own constituents (UGA students, grads).

By Censor

January 8, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Was somebody from Aubarn actually on this blog…heyseed, just keep licking your festering wounds from the whipping you took in Athens. What was it, FORTY-FIVE to 20?

By Gatekeeper

January 8, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Is there anyone who can work for Tommy “Revolving Door” Tuberville? I understand his performance reviews end with, “Don’t let the door hit your a** on the way out.” One day, he’s going to run out of fodder. Of course, Texas must be a much better gig, since two DCs have taken “laterals” to go there in the last few years. BTW, what opportunity did BIG Al Borges take?

By Advisor

January 8, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Speaking of GIT, how can they possibly field any athletic teams what with their incredible academic requirements? Why not just admit defeat and concentrate on spitting rocket scientists! Calculus, where forth art thou?

By Justification

January 8, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Well, isn’t it obvious by now, that the poster child for a playoff system is the O-low-o State Luckeyes? I mean where do you start…their pathetic schedule, their 0-9 bowl record v. the SEC, their blow-out losses to UF and LSU??

By LSU

January 8, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

I was feeling pretty good about LSU winning until cold reality hit me that among LSU alumni is James “Obnoxious” Carville who may rear his UGLY head in Hillary Ramrod Clinton’s freefall campaign. Is there no justice!!!!!!??????

By Title Insurer

January 8, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

LSU, please be sure to have the OSU title holder changed from UF to LSU. By law, you have 30 days to effect this important ownership change.

By Cuz

January 8, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

I guess even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. Mike Adams finnaly has something I can believe in.

Conference champions only, I disagree and has nothing to do with this year. Say the number one team and the number two team are in the same conference and play a championship game. One of them has to lose. Why deny them one of the eight spots as certainly the loser would be better than the last four teams.

My picks for the end of the year.

Worst BCS year I can remember. Just awful games. I don’t think Ohio State should have been in the championship. Should have been USC. Failing that, we should have played USC in the Rose and I am not convinced we would have won, but I bet we would have given a better game than the non-fighting Illini.

All just my opinion, if you do not like it, I don’t care. You have your own and I respect it also.

God bless Buck Cochran. He gave us the win in JAX, I am certain of that.

By D Gelbart

January 8, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Good idea but, I don’t think so on it is going to happen in two years! It will probably take long years of arguing on a 8 or 16 team play off. When it does come into being here is a good idea: The SEC Champ,ACC Champ,Big Ten Champ,Pac-10 Champ,and the 2 highest at-larges receive byes the first week. The minor league champs and the lowest at-large go against each other in the “Wild Cards”. The wild card winners go against the teams that received a bye. Example: Big Ten Champ vs Pac-10 Champ SEC Champ vs ACC Champ At large vs At Large At large vs MAC or Sun Belt Champ Then the four teams that survived go to the semi finals. Example: At large vs Pac-10 Champ SEC Champ vs Big Ten Champ Then the final which you can probably guess. This year it would have probably been either LSU vs UGA or USC vs UGA. Hmm no wonder why it is hard to implant probably because, they think the SEC would win every year.

By Fort Worth Dawg

January 8, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

Here’s your next money-making t-shirt design: O(and 9)hio State

By JP

January 8, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

Georgia lost 2 games and got whooped by Tennessee. They did not deserve a shot at the national title. Live with it.

By gregodawg

January 8, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

Dogs will choke. Are you really that stupid?

By War Eagle

January 8, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

UGA finish strong, but would not beat LSU, reason…defense and experience..LSU was the best team in the country 2007, Florida 2006, 2008??? SEC will not have a team to go undefeated in 2008…

By Falcon Fan 13

January 8, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Tony, did you clear your column with your peer, Mr. T Moore??? Thankfully you have presented your comments objectively without insulting other’s differing opinion.

I concur with others: until it hurts them the financially, the BC$ guys are NOT going to change. A serious NATIONAL BOYCOTT OF BOWLS would make them sit up and take notice. Expect opponents to say that by boycotting we’re hurting the students, but I maintain BC$ supporters are hurting them, by consigning them and their suportes and families to just the experience of being in New Orleans. Imagine if that trip to Orleans could result in a chance to advance to playoffs.

As many have posted, only major collegiate sport NOT decided by playoffs. If other NCAA divisions can do it, 1-A has NO excuse.

By DarrellMudra

January 8, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

There’s no real value in a playoff if all teams aren’t given some reasonable chance of playing. Unless Duke has the same chance as Oklahoma each year, we’ll still be gnashing out teeth over who’s the “Champion”. Can’t we just enjoy the Conference games and continue to speculate. Bowls are fun.Lets enjoy the post-season for what its worth. We’re never going to know if UGA could beat Missouri this year. Or, LSU. Or, West BG Virginia. Or, (fill in the blank) Lighten up!

By Irregardless

January 8, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

VOTERS, just assure us that Ohio State will not be in the game next year. This stage deserves a competitive game.

By Ricky

January 8, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

I am a UGA fan, and I have no problem with LSU winning the National Championship. Do I believe UGA could have beat OSU, sure; but so could USC and likely 5 or 6 other teams. And yes, I do believe we could beat LSU at this point in the season, but we could not beat SC and TN when we needed to. “Fix it” you say! Win all your games or all but one with that schedule in 08 and trust me you will “fix it”.

By PHIL

January 8, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Since this is the only discussion available to has over Dr. Adams ideas, I think that first we need too discuss him.

Everyone knows the problems associated with the retirement of Coach Dooley, no need to go over that again. except to say that is the LEAST of my concerns over President Adams.

As I read the transcript of his interview it jumped out at me where he said, and I quote, “I get to know these student-athletes reasonably well. I listen to them,.” What a CROCK !!!!!!!!!! When he decided not to allow our basketball team to go to the conference or NCAA championships, he wouldn’t even talk to the players even though they begged him. He took us out of those tourneys in order to cover his own A$$. HE was the one who made Dooley hire that coach, HE was the one who consented to allow that malcontent into the program at the request of HIS coach and it was HIS A$$ that was on the line. He stole something form those kids that was a once in a lifetime opportunity, the reason those kids came to UGA instead of another school. HE STOLE it. What kind of a sissy uses kids to cover for himself?????????????

But administering athletics are only a small part of a presidents responsibilities and Dr. Adams is recognized as one of the top administrators in the country. So I’ll relate this story. A young man who’s family are personal friends was a football player at Georgia Southern, pre-med major, and finished his first two years there with a 4.0 GPA. He wasn’t getting much playing time on the football team so he decided to give up football transfer to UGA. He and his family got the application and all relevant paper work to the admissions office in plenty of time and waited to hear from them. At the last minute, they received a letter from the admissions office informing him that he had not been accepted. When the father called to find out why, the director of admissions told him that there were more rising junior applications than they had expected so the successful applicants were chosen based upon the date of earliest application. When asked why the best students weren’t chosen, his reply was that the office couldn’t afford the staff required to sort through the applications and pick the best possible candidates. So the kid enrolls at Georgia Tech at the last minute and graduates Magna Cum Laude. Our University can’t afford an extra $25,000 a year admin position, but we have plenty of money to buy Dr. Adams wife a house as well as buy land in CostafreakinRica. I think he must have pictures of our board of Chancellors doing things they shouldn’t.

So the point is, Dr. Adams is not concerned with the student-athletes involved, he’s not concerned about whats best for the University, he is concerned about Dr. Adams and the “legacy” that he will leave as president of the University and Chair of his NCAA committee. Any suggestions he might have concerning a play off system should be evaluated with that in mind.

By Steve

January 8, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this

Let me address the responses in order -

Embrace the Flames January 8, 2008 4:24 - Should we exclude FSU (1-5 record in BCS games including 1-2 in NCS) and the rest of the ACC (4-9 record in BSC)? How about OK (losers of 4 in a row) and the Big 12 (6-8)? Ohio St is 4-2 and the Big Ten is 8-9. Below is the link to support the facts above. http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=758128

The following is from Jim Delany’s Letter “To Fans of the Big Ten and College Football” dated Feb. 9, 2007

The Big Ten was 2-1 vs. the SEC in this past season’s bowl games. The Big Ten is 8-6 vs. the SEC in bowl games over the last five years The Big Ten is 13-13 vs. the SEC in bowl games over the last decade. Over the last nine years of Bowl Championship Series games, the Big Ten leads all conferences with 15 berths while ranking second with eight victories. The SEC tops all leagues with nine wins and ranks second to the Big Ten with 13 appearances. In the last 10 years the Big Ten has produced two national champions compared to three for the SEC. In the last 15 years the Big Ten has produced five Heisman Trophy winners, more than any other conference. Over that same time span, the SEC has claimed one Heisman.

…lets see, who is next…

By GeoffDawg January 8, 2008 4:29 PM - This is my total

12 = cal 6.36 = NY 4.22 = Ill 4.1 = Penn 3.78 = Oh 3.32 - MI 2.87 = NJ 2.11 - WA 2.08 - Ind 2.03 - AZ 1.83 - WI 1.7 - MN 1.22 - OR .98 - IA 47.59 total

The total does not include Ky (25% of the state lives within 25 miles of Cincy). Nor does the total includ places such as NV, both Dakotas, eastern Mizzo or other “transplants” such as myself. Having lived in Fl, I can safely say most people are from the midwest and/or northeast and could careless about FSU, UF, or “The U”…most root for and follow their home teams. Note I included NJ and NY. given PSU’s proxiemity, Steinbrenner’s support of the Big Ten (OSU), and lack of other choices (Rutgers??? Columbia??? BC???show me 1 NY fan root for ANYTHING from Boston)

Link is below… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofU.S.statesby_population

…who is next…

gdawginkalamazoo January 8, 2008 4:31 PM - I have no idea what you are trying to say. Joe Pa’s income a provided by the state is widely available on the web. Please show me where I am wrong.

…next…

reality check January 8, 2008 5:05 PM - Some would actually prefer we get rid of the BCS and replace it with the way it was many years ago, basically 4 bowls (Rose, Orange, Cotton, and Sugar)…no room for ANY second place team, “Johnny come lately U”, or anyone else…this is a fact, bowls were designed to reward a good season, not crown a NC. College is for an education, not for football or vice versca.

…Top Dawg January 8, 2008 6:06 PM - I almost agree with what you say about the UGA “snub”. IMO, at teh end of the year USC and UGA were playing the best ball of all the teams but the BCS is not about who is playing the best “now”, it is about who played the best over the season (see above about why we have bowl games)…as for the “great Yankee conspiracy” (and I love conspiracy’s) I got 3 words for you “Traditional Bowl Tie-ins”…11 years ago, you show me 1 UGA who would be DISSAPPOINTED in going to the Sugar Bowl…

next

Finnmann January 8, 2008 6:06 PM - Could not have been said better myself. Thanks

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BC$ Slave January 8, 2008 6:36 PM - Glad you see the past 2 NC coaches for what they are, pompous, whiny (Urban “we should be in the NC game” Meyer), and classless. I am not sure I would want an “outsider” with no D1A exp choosing anything, it would be like electing the mayor of Newnan for President of the US…

Now, someone show me a better game than OSU - USC on Sept 13 this coming fall. The games do not get any bigger or better than this one. No SEC team has the “onions”, “cahoneis” or “stones” to step outside of conference and play such a game. The Big Ten Network shows how great the Big Ten schools are.

OSU had an excellent season when you consider it was a “rebuilding year” and they they were picked third in their conference. According to the real “experts” (Vegas) OSU went off at 30 to 1 odds to win it all this past year. FYI, LSU went off at 8 to 1 (I got the tickets and odd lines to back this up and can send it to you via email in PDF format if want to see them).

I will agree with most everyone, OSU football has a major problem, we just disagree where the problem rest. How or should I say what does it say about a team who lost their starting QB, produced 2 1st round wide receivers who left after their jr season, and have their starting RB depart as a jr (drafted in the 4th rd) only to return to the NC game again? In my book, it says they are pretty good. I can only hope Jenkins (CB), Laurinaitis (LB), and Gholston (DE) come back for their senior season even though all are projected sure 1st rounders.

As I depart, know that without the BCS, the past 6 years would have resulted in split NC’s instead of 1 (04 LSU - USC)

By Tom Trojan

January 8, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

Tough to believe! The SEC has the 1-2 ranked teams in the final standings, yet you all are p** off! Why? Be happy, your conference did very well, be proud! Why bad mouth the PAC 10 and the Big 10? We don’t bad mouth you! Think about it.

By KC

January 9, 2008 4:15 AM | Link to this

I find it fascinating that this debate is centered on and driven by administrators, who are of course driven by their own special interests. Has no one bothered to ask what the fans or players want? I am confident there would be overwhelming support for a meaningful playoff from fans and players alike – regardless of their conference. Tony – what can we do? How can we mobilize the voice of the people?

By m

January 9, 2008 6:46 AM | Link to this

We need to completely take opinion out of football. The BCS is probably the worst system ever developed. We need a playoff…NOW. Preferably a 16 team playoff, but an 8 team playoff will do the job. If Georgia Tech can finally wise up and get rid of the worst coach in the history of college football, SURELY the presidents can vote out the worst system in the history of college football.

By Tdog

January 9, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

You can say the big 10 and pack 10 don’t want a change because of tradition, but the real story is they know they have a path of least resistance to the mythical national chapionship every year and they want to keep this advantage.No other team with OS track record would qualify.OS has as much claim for NCG as Hawaii.They both put up numbers because they don’t play anybody all season.No one would argue for Hawaii to play in next years NCG if they go undefeated with great stats,But if OS goes undefeated again next year they will be boasted by their powerful lobbing committee ( ESPN).Yes the fight will get ugly but it will be hard to top the uglyness of what these political blowhards have done to the greatest game on earth.If the big 10 and pac 10 wont play fair to hell with them.

By GeoffDawg

January 9, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Steve, I don’t necessarily buy your argument that northeastern markets given a lack of viable alternatives are automatically Big 10 fans. Even if they did have some questionable allegiance, you’re forgetting that this is primarily Big East and with the inclusion of Boston College, ACC country.

Beyond all that though, assuming that Big 10 and Pac 10 schools actually do cover over 60% of the country’s population, that’s not taking into account the relative popularity of the sport in the different regions. I don’t think anyone can argue that college football is much more popular in the areas covered by SEC, ACC, and Big 12 teams. As such, these fans create their own artificially high market in comparison to the regions you’re alluding to.

By Cane

January 9, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

The problem with the playoff is where will the semis be held? And who could attend them? Certianly it is a lot to ask a teams fan base to make travel plans with one week’s notice to go to the semi-final game. Plus those fans might be tempted to wait to see if their team makes the final.

One possible solution to this would be to hold the semi-final games at the home field of the higher seeded team. That would insure the game was sold out.

Another problem is that it makes the four big bowls mean less to just be the quarter finals of a tourney. Those bowls depend on fan interest that is certianly diluted by the next two rounds of playoffs. Will the Rose Bowl sell out being just a q-final game??

By Steve

January 9, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

GeoffDawg, I would buy your arguement about ACC - Big East if we were talking b-ball but this is f-ball.

I would love to see teams from the Pac Ten, SEC, TX, FL, and other “fair weather” schools play at Wisc, Mich, OSU or PSU in the middle of Dec - Jan with a high in the low 20’s, the wind blowing 30 mph , and snow covering the field. (rip up that field turf boys and plant the grass!) We can only imagine how much cheese would be needed for all the whining going on…

By GeoffDawg

January 9, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Steve, just to clarify - are you saying that Big 10 schools need an extra advantage to beat SEC teams? If you don’t think they can do it at neutral sites where the weather isn’t a factor, then you’re validating the fan’s arguments of many southern teams.

By Steve

January 9, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

I am saying the location of the games is not neutral as it is now, LSU in NO and SC in Pasadena? You want neutral, lets play the games in Redskin stadium or where KC plays.

That being said, teams do recruit differently knowing they may have to play where weather could be a factor…Percy Harvin and Holiday (LSU) would most likely not be recuited for most Big Ten schools, just as Dan Connor (PSU) and Laurinaitis would not be considered by most SEC schools. Name me 5 offensive lineman playing on Sunday from the SEC. To summarize “the weather issue”, I am saying different teams recruit a different players based upon their style of play and their style of play is infuenced by where they play. No “chunk and duck” teams in the Big Ten, more like “3 yards and a cloud of dust” and systems more akin to what they play on Sunday ball.

As a joke, we alternate every other year where the bowl games are played, 1 year in FL and NO, the next at “The Frozen Tundra” of Lambeau Field and Soldier Field in Chicago

By GeoffDawg

January 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Steve, I’m not sure I could name five offensive linemen from any particular conference currently playing in the NFL. It’s just not a position that tends to lend itself to long term recognition. Off the top of my head from Georgia, I can think of Chris Terry if he’s still with the Panthers, and the Stinchcomb brothers if they’re still with Raiders and Saints respectively. If you want to talk about defensive linemen, then names from Georgia like Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, and Charles Grant also easily jump to mind.

I don’t doubt that teams tend to target recruits that meet their style of play but I would imagine that a player as effective as Laurenitis could play anywhere with the same going for Percy Harvin. Given his size, Holiday would be more of a stretch.

Regarding the bowl locations, yes, it’s true that bowl locations are mostly closer in geographic proximity to southern schools but given the allotment of tickets distributed, this is only a slight advantage at best. I’ve heard that the Superdome was pretty loud with Ohio State fans after they went up 10-0. Also, if you truly want to rotate weather advantages, then some Big 10 teams are going to have to agree to open their seasons in the South where the heat and humidity work to our advantage.

By Lane Tucker

January 9, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Hey Georgia fans - third place in the SEC is not going to get you into the playoffs.

By GeoffDawg

January 9, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Hey Lane - this year, it would’ve.

By Steve

January 9, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

OSU has had 304 players drafted vs 205 for UGA according to NFL.com

See post on 1/7/2008 8:15:35 PM on link below…ticket “allotment” is a joke

http://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=64&sub=796339&t=0

The mere scheduling a non conference that contains the likes of Ark St State, W Carolina, Troy, Tulane, Citadel is an embaressment regardless if the leam losses (Mich vs Appy state) or wins (LSU 44-0 over MTSU)

Did I mention OSU non conference schedule in 2005 - 2006 included Tx and Tx won NC in 2005? Did I mention OSU plays SC in 2008 and 2009? Did I mention OSU plays Miami FL (result of NC game in 2002) in 2010 and 2011? It does not get any hotter or more humid than Miami in late Aug - early Sept. Do not worry LSU, TN, Fl, et al, you can play GA ST, Kennesaw St, and North GA State College U…Just do not wonder why only 1 team is invited to play in the BCS games.

By GeoffDawg

January 9, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Steve, the link you posted is blocked by my company’s firewall as it’s classified as a gambling site. Regarding the overall number of players drafted, could you please state your source? This may or may not be true but I also know that over something like the last five or six years, no one’s had more players drafted than Georgia. Beyond that, there’s no denying that the current generation of NFL talent comes first and foremost from the SEC.

Also, I remembered Ohio State playing Texas and I know they’re scheduled for USC next year but neither of those games does a thing to help their strength of schedule this season. There’s probably 10 to 20 schools in the country that could’ve gone 11-1 with that schedule. Be that as it may, Ohio State does deserve credit for trying to improve their OOC play in most seasons. However, when was the last time that Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, or Penn State stepped up to the plate in that regard?

By GeoffDawg

January 9, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Correction - I meant to ask if you could post the link to your source. It would save me the trouble of trying to navigate through the NFL.com site.

By Steve

January 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Mich and PSU played ND this past season. While I know you can laugh now but you and I know they not usually a 4-7 team…10-2 is more like it.

the link is a “sports information website” and does not take or receive bets. They do however post tons of info relevant info (trends, injuries, stats, and anything athor number you could possibly want) about teams (hence the name of the website)

link for UGA is

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?abbr=G&collegeName=Georgia&abbrFlag=0&type=school

and

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?abbr=O&collegeName=Ohio+State&abbrFlag=0&type=school

for OSU

UGA players

Year Rd Sel # Player Position Team 2007 3 65 Quentin Moses DE Oakland Raiders 2007 3 83 Charles Johnson DE Carolina Panthers 2007 4 133 Martrez Milner TE Atlanta Falcons 2007 6 190 Ken Shackleford T St. Louis Rams 2007 Paul Oliver CB San Diego Chargers 2006 2 62 Tim Jennings CB Indianapolis Colts 2006 3 72 Leonard Pope TE Arizona Cardinals 2006 4 99 Max Jean-Gilles G Philadelphia Eagles 2006 5 149 Greg Blue DB Minnesota Vikings 2006 5 152 DeMario Minter CB Cleveland Browns 2006 6 196 Kedric Golston DT Washington Redskins 2006 7 223 D.J. Shockley QB Atlanta Falcons 2005 1 14 Thomas Davis DB Carolina Panthers 2005 1 17 David Pollack LB Cincinnati Bengals 2005 2 35 Reggie Brown WR Philadelphia Eagles 2005 2 48 Odell Thurman MLB Cincinnati Bengals 2005 3 85 David Greene QB Seattle Seahawks 2005 4 131 Fred Gibson WR Pittsburgh Steelers 2004 1 32 Benjamin Watson TE New England Patriots 2004 2 59 Sean Jones SAF Cleveland Browns 2004 4 117 Robert Geathers DE Cincinnati Bengals 2004 4 121 Bruce Thornton CB Dallas Cowboys 2003 1 6 Johnathan Sullivan DT New Orleans Saints 2003 1 20 George Foster T Denver Broncos 2003 2 34 Boss Bailey OLB Detroit Lions 2003 2 37 Jonathan Stinchcomb T New Orleans Saints 2003 3 77 Musa Smith RB Baltimore Ravens 2003 6 210 Tony Gilbert LB Arizona Cardinals 2003 7 242 J.T. Wall — Pittsburgh Steelers 2002 1 25 Charles Grant DE New Orleans Saints 2002 3 73 Will Witherspoon MLB Carolina Panthers 2002 4 114 Randy McMichael TE Miami Dolphins 2002 4 120 Terreal Bierria DB Seattle Seahawks 2002 5 157 Jermaine Phillips DB Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2002 5 166 Verron Haynes RB Pittsburgh Steelers 2002 7 220 Josh Mallard DE Indianapolis Colts 2002 7 233 Tim Wansley CB Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2001 1 6 Richard Seymour DT New England Patriots 2001 1 13 Marcus Stroud DT Jacksonville Jaguars 2001 2 39 Kendrell Bell ILB Pittsburgh Steelers 2001 2 53 Quincy Carter QB Dallas Cowboys 2001 3 95 Jonas Jennings T Buffalo Bills 2001 4 101 Jamie Henderson DB New York Jets 2001 7 238 Tyrone Robertson DT Buffalo Bills 2000 7 219 Orantes Grant LB Dallas Cowboys 2000 7 232 Jeff Harris DB Miami Dolphins 2000 7 239 Patrick Pass RB New England Patriots

OSU players

Year Rd Sel # Player Position Team 2007 1 9 Ted Ginn Jr. WR Miami Dolphins 2007 1 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Indianapolis Colts 2007 3 98 Quinn Pitcock DT Indianapolis Colts 2007 4 107 Antonio Pittman RB New Orleans Saints 2007 5 138 Jay Richardson DE Oakland Raiders 2007 5 169 Roy Hall WR Indianapolis Colts 2007 5 174 Troy Smith QB Baltimore Ravens 2007 6 198 Doug Datish C Atlanta Falcons 2006 1 5 A.J. Hawk OLB Green Bay Packers 2006 1 8 Donte Whitner SS Buffalo Bills 2006 1 18 Bobby Carpenter LB Dallas Cowboys 2006 1 25 Santonio Holmes WR Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 1 29 Nick Mangold C New York Jets 2006 3 70 Ashton Youboty CB Buffalo Bills 2006 3 76 Anthony Schlegel LB New York Jets 2006 4 121 Nate Salley DB Carolina Panthers 2006 4 128 Rob Sims G Seattle Seahawks 2005 2 47 Mike Nugent K New York Jets 2005 3 80 Dustin Fox DB Minnesota Vikings 2005 3 101 Maurice Clarett — Denver Broncos 2004 1 18 Will Smith DE New Orleans Saints 2004 1 28 Chris Gamble CB Carolina Panthers 2004 1 29 Michael Jenkins WR Atlanta Falcons 2004 3 68 Ben Hartsock TE Indianapolis Colts 2004 3 74 Tim Anderson DT Buffalo Bills 2004 3 87 B.J. Sander P Green Bay Packers 2004 3 88 Darrion Scott DE Minnesota Vikings 2004 4 100 Alex Stepanovich C Arizona Cardinals 2004 4 111 Will Allen SAF Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2004 5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Chicago Bears 2004 5 163 Drew Carter WR Carolina Panthers 2004 5 165 Rob Reynolds LB Tennessee Titans 2004 7 209 Shane Olivea T San Diego Chargers 2004 7 227 Adrien Clarke G Philadelphia Eagles 2003 2 58 Mike Doss SS Indianapolis Colts 2003 3 79 Kenny Peterson DE Green Bay Packers 2003 3 86 Cie Grant LB New Orleans Saints 2003 4 112 Matt Wilhelm LB San Diego Chargers 2003 5 154 Donnie Nickey DB Tennessee Titans 2002 2 44 LeCharles Bentley G New Orleans Saints 2002 3 75 Derek Ross CB Dallas Cowboys 2002 4 99 Jonathan Wells RB Houston Texans 2002 4 122 Darnell Sanders TE Cleveland Browns 2002 4 129 Jamar Martin FB Dallas Cowboys 2002 5 167 Courtland Bullard LB St. Louis Rams 2002 6 179 Tyson Walter C Dallas Cowboys 2002 6 205 Steve Bellisari DB St. Louis Rams 2001 1 21 Nate Clements CB Buffalo Bills 2001 1 29 Ryan Pickett DT St. Louis Rams 2001 6 181 Rodney Bailey DE Pittsburgh Steelers 2001 7 214 Reggie Germany WR Buffalo Bills 2001 7 228 Derek Combs DB Oakland Raiders 2001 7 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Oakland Raiders 2000 1 24 Ahmed Plummer CB San Francisco 49ers 2000 4 98 Na’il Diggs OLB Green Bay Packers 2000 4 126 Gary Berry SAF Green Bay Packers 2000 5 144 Michael Wiley RB Dallas Cowboys 2000 7 223 James Cotton DE Chicago Bears 2000 7 228 Kevin Houser FB New Orleans Saints

By GeoffDawg

January 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Steve, that’s some intriguing information and I’ve never doubted that Ohio State has a quality program. However, I also notice that much of the disparity regarding all-time draft selections is present from the late 30’s through the 50’s or 60’s before the NFL expanded and there was much more regional bias involved in choosing players. In that day and age, when the NFL was still trying to become a viable commodity, ensuring ticket sales by drafting more popular, local players was the norm rather than the exception.

Regarding Mich and Penn St., while playing ND is more impressive than say Akron, that’s still not earth-shatteringly good. If we can be completely honest here for a moment, we can acknowledge that Notre Dame is overrated practically every year and hasn’t really been good since Holtz left. Beyond that, regarding Georgia’s schedule, in addition to the annual match up with Ga. Tech, in recent years we’ve also played the likes of Clemson, OK State and Colorado, with a road trip to AZ State on tap for 2008. This is in addition to our regular SEC slate which includes UF, Tenn, SC, and Auburn every year with a rotating line up that sometimes includes LSU and Alabama. Just thinking about our 2008 schedule is making me break out in bruises.

At this point, I think I’ve forgotten what the original intent of this discussion was as I know it didn’t start out as a UGA vs. Ohio State argument.

By Steve

January 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

The original intent is a playoff will NEVER work without the Big Ten.

The point is, regardless of the last 2 NC games, OSU is not a patsy and deserves respect. 3 NC games (regardless of the 2 losses) in 6 years is an accomplishment by itself, not to mention 5 total BCS games in 6 years. In the past 6 years USO has the second best rocord beind SC both in terms of wins (66 to 70) and percentage (85.71 vs 90.91) This accomplishment can not explained away by “luck” or “BCS” or ESPN” or playing a week schedule or any reason other than talent.

With that, I sign off from this conversation for good.

Steve

By GeoffDawg

January 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

Well, Steve, I’m afraid that we’ll have to agree to disagree. While OSU is a fine program, there simply isn’t the top to bottom talent in the Big 10 every year as compared to the SEC or even the Big 12. A playoff w/o the Big 10 and Pac 10 would of course leave the national championship up for continuing debate but I would guess that they would have to come back to the table and play ball eventually.

By Brian Bertrand

January 10, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

I have been trying to get my website - www.collegefootballsolution.com -publicity towards advocating a similar approach to UGA President Adams for over 2 years. As an avid LSU football season ticket holder who just returned from seeing my beloved Tigers win the national championship, I am thrilled that we won the title legitimately, yet via a methodolgy that does not give the fans of college football what they deserve (and what all other college sports fans have) - a truly accepted and undisputed national champion. Once again, as a Tiger fan I am thrilled, yet disgusted that our 2003 and 2007 titles are not universally accepted. This is unfair to all student athletes, the 119 participating universities and the die hard fans that financially and emotional back the great game of college football. WE MUST CHANGE THE SYSTEM ! AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER !!

Geaux Tigers! Brian Bertrand

By Wade

January 11, 2008 1:43 AM | Link to this

Where does the money come from to support the NCAA? It comes from money made of the fans. There would be no college football if it wasn’t for us fans. 70% of us want a play-off, a play-off should be part of major college football.