Mr. College Football

By Man, I hope so

January 4, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

I was thinking the same thing on the way to work this morning. The BCS needs a comeuppance every year until a playoff is finally established.

By Greg

January 4, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Tony,

You are incorrect. The BCS IS designed to crown the national champion. LSU is correct in their assertion that they were “the” national champions in 2003. The BCS, as it is, encompasses both human polls and computer polls, and is certainly more accurate than a bunch of sportswriters in tweed jackets sitting around crowning an alternate champion (no offense). The split national title went the way of the dodo with the advent of the BCS, and any argument otherwise is just silly….I don’t care how long the AP has been crowning champions.

Pre-BCS? Fine, I’ll accept anyone with a claim to a split title. Post-BCS? Nope. The BCS champion is “the” champion.

By BamaDog

January 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

I think you make a very valid point for Kansas should OSU win on Monday night. I wasn’t much of a believer until I saw Missouri overpower Arkansas and Kansas control VA Tech. You can certainly make an argument that Kansas is on equal footing with OSU. Good read.

By GeoffDawg

January 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Good point Tony but shouldn’t the championship won in the manner recognized by the participants be given more weight? I long for a playoff but currently as you stated, the major conferences have agreed to crown their champion using the BCS format. When the rules are laid out internally, doesn’t that have more credibility than what a bunch of outsiders (the media) think?

By MisterT

January 4, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Actually I believe we can easily see from the very scientific polling that the ajc has done right here on line that uga is the OBVIOUS NATIONAL CHAMPION! Why we should just go ahead and suspend all the games next year as well and award the dawgs with Back 2 Back National Championships. However we will still need to award the SEC Championship to LSU this year as they actually won it. But as you so aptly pointed out the BCS is not the only game in town and the choice of all Rational people is that uga DESERVES to be THE NATIONAL CHAMPION.

For those of you from Rio Linda or Athens, this was completely sarcastic.

By bulldogborn

January 4, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Greg, Until there is some form of play off, there will never be just one undisputed national champion. If you believe otherwise, you have been brain washed by the BCS and ESPN.

By TDone

January 4, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Let’s see, that is the same BCS which allowed LSU to play Oklahoma, after Oklahoma got blown out by Oklahoma State in the Big 12 Championship game.

Oh, that BCS.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want a playoff since it would degrade the regular season which is the one thing which makes college football better than the NFL. But everyone knows that USC was the best team in 2003.

By Jim

January 4, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Why not? Afterall, the BCS system is apparently not even concerned with having the 2 best teams play each other. The whole thing is basically a joke.

By GeoffDawg

January 4, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

To illustrate my point - take the electoral college for example. Even though it has its inherent flaws, would Americans ever consider allowing journalists to select a co-president of the United States? The media may like that idea but it ain’t gonna happen.

By TDone

January 4, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Muttland can be in the Pre-Season Top 5 as much as it wants. But I guarantee it won’t be in the Post-Season Top 5.

The sun has shined on the Muttlanders long enough.

By BeattieFeathers

January 4, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Tony-I don’t often agree with you but your comments are spot on. Greg is too thickheaded to understand what you’re saying.

By GeoffDawg

January 4, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

MisterT, that line is only funny when delivered by Rush. Try coming up with your own material.

By Van

January 4, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

West Virginia is the one who should be crowned. Now there was a team that made a statement.

By OceanGeorgia

January 4, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Let’s see, Kansas failed to win their division or conference title, and that fact alone should preclude any chance at the National Championship. At least, that’s what all the pundits/experts nationally and at ESPN were saying, with regard to Georgia. What’s good enough for the Dawgs is good enough for the Jayhawks

By bamadon

January 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Kansas is a very good team and it would very interesting to see the jayhawks play the dawgs or the tigers from the SEC. I really don’t care who wins the BCS game Monday night. LSU had a bunch of idiot fans at the weedeater bowl picking fights with some Bama fans last week!! Just hope the bcs game is a good game!! ROLL TIDE!!

By Bulldogborn

January 4, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Should the AP decide to choose someone other that the winner of the BCS concocted game, then I would think that USC or Georgia would be the most likely candidates. They are both ranked higher than Kansas. As for Georgia not being the SEC champ, if you put each conference on equal footing and do not consider any of the conference championship games, then LSU, UT and UGA would all be SEC co-champs with 6-2 conference records. I like the possibility that the AP might do something different than the garbage the BCS is spewing forth.

By DWG

January 4, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

C’mon, Kansas? Really? They just beat VT. The champ of the worst conference in the BCS. There were 4 teams of note in the big 12 this year - OU, TX, MIZZOU, and Kansas. KU played ONE TEAM AND LOST! Missouri should have been in that game last night, not Kansas. As a UGA fan I only wish that we had the opportunity to play LSU, but that didn’t happen so there’s no way of knowing which team is better. So good luck to LSU and if they beat OSU they deserve to be outright champs because they play in the toughest conference and beat some of the toughest teams in America. Kansas BEAT NO ONE AND LOST TO THE ONLY GOOD TEAM IT PLAYED END OF STORY! Go Dawgs, Go LSU, Go SEC.

By Greg

January 4, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Bulldog,

I am not saying the BCS is the best..I happen to believe it is far from it.

However, it IS the agreed upon method in which to determine a national champion. Period.

No brainwashing here, just following the rules as they have been stated and agreed upon. #1 and #2 are playing on Monday evening. Certainly the winnner of that game should be crowned national champions…well, because they are ranked #1 and #2…pretty straightforward to me.

Also, TDone, K State blew out OU 35-7, not Okie State.

By scribe

January 4, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Kansas’ schedule was soft (see ohio state)and they beat a WEAK ACC champion, they deserve to be at best No. 5 behind the National Champion, USC and Georgia and Missouri. end of discussion. By the way, the BCS is a joke

By KR

January 4, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

First, I have to confess. I believed VT would take out Kansas. I was wrong. Nice game Jayhawks.

I think there is a very real chance of a split national championship again this year, whether it is LSU or OSU that wins.

If LSU splits a national championship again, we may never hear the end of the complaining out of Baton Rouge.

WAR EAGLE! (is it the 2008 season yet?)

By JTP

January 4, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Kansas as the co-national champion? No way! Did you watch the game last night? They were not impressive beating the WEAK ACC-Champion (how did the ACC teams fare in their bowl games?). However, I have no problem with them advancing in the 10 team BCS PLAYOFF! WV, KU, UGA, USC having already advanced waiting for the winner of LSU-OSU. Keep the bowls, just add an 8-10 team playoff from the BCS bowl games!

By J-Mo

January 4, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

So Tony, you’re telling me that after the Final Regular Season rankings came out, all the polls allowed VA Tech, Oklahoma, and LSU to jump over UGA in the rankings (Not looking so good in the VA Tech / Oklahoma decisions so far).

And NOW for the FINAL poll, you want to have #8 Kansas leap frog over Missouri (who they already lost to), USC and UGA (both USC and UGA would have destroyed Kansas last night).

I’m sorry, but these polls have just become 100% worthless. Why don’t we just get rid of the TOP 25 poll system all together, and just wait until the end of the year, and then you can rank the conference champions.

By the way … TDONE … it was KANSAS State that whipped up on Oklahoma (and yes, they still allowed Oklahoma to play in NC game). The BCS is a joke.

By reservoirDAWG

January 4, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

He11, why don’t we just name all BcS bowl winners co-champions.

By William F. Miller

January 4, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Tony - I like your idea and I like Kansas. They play football the way it should be played - with guts and imagination. And they have a LITTLE QB who can really play this game. More power to ‘em. Bill M.

By No Conference

January 4, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Like Georgia, Kansas did not win their confrence. If they win a split then Georgia should raise holy-hell and so should USC. Both Georgia and USC are better teams and had tougher schedules. Remeber LSU pounded VT something like 48-7. The rational for not allowing Georgia in the Title Game was the lack of a division title. Well, Kansas lacks the same.

By Kelly

January 4, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

The whole argument against UGA getting in the nat. champ. game was we didn’t even win our divison. I’m pretty sure Kansas failed to win theres as well. You people in the media are absoluytely clueless.

By mcdawg

January 4, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

yes you are causing trouble-i for one never thought VT was very good-no QB, which was again evident last night-dawgs would have beaten any of the teams in the BCS so far expect perhpas USC-so while UKs victory was great fopr them and the program-it wouldn’t sway me if i were a voter but certainly top 5 or even top 3

By Come on TONY

January 4, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

UMMMMMM, wasnt UGA’s huge disqualifier that they did not even play for their conference title? I assume that you are not applying that to KU?

Oh, and by the way, Virginia Tech WAS NOT the third best team in the country. They were only there because of the inane rationale that the writers decided to create on the last weekend of the season to preclude UGA from playing in the title game.

By Mike

January 4, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Tony, how can Kansas, a team that didn’t even win its division, even be considered for a co-national championship? Haven’t we been told for the past month that a team that doesn’t win its division has no business even discussing national titles? Isn’t that the new unwritten rule that everyone has fallen in line with?

By tulsabravo

January 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Hey TDone, I’m a little confused about when “Oklahoma got blown out by Oklahoma State in the Big 12 Championship game?”

By "Mr. Football?"

January 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Tony…excuse me, “Mr. Football”…are you kidding? You media types are a complete joke. A few weeks ago you claimed UGA should have no shot at the title because they didnt win their division….same thing would apply here.

Not only that, but Hawaii would have the same claim to the championship as Kansas. They both ended w/one bad loss and both played horrific schedules. You and the rest of the media is a joke. That Kansas team last night looked like a VERY ordinary team. Get a clue “Mr. Football”.

By buddy

January 4, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Quote from Tony “The Jayhawks beat the No. 3 team in the nation (Virginia Tech) in the Orange Bowl and we saw what Missouri did to Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl.”

OK, what does that say about West Wirginia who crushed Oklahoma, who crushed Missouri, who crushed Kansas. Georgia Southern beat Appalachian State who beat Michigan and therefore following the same logic is better than Michigan.

You just can’t predict whats going to happen. I was dumbfounded when Tenn. stomped UGA and then get dominated by a very mediocre Alabama.

By Spike

January 4, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Tony, Tony, Tony. No way Kansas deserves it with that schedule. They had a great year and played great last night, but they deserve no love with that slate.

By Larry

January 4, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Assuming an LSU victory, the final rankings for the year should be 1) LSU, 2) Georgia, 3) Southern Cal, 4) West Virginia, 5) Kansas.

If Ohio State wins, they will, by common consent, be number 1; but, the rest should be as set forth above.

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

“BUT THEY DIDN’T WIN THEIR CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!”

Isn’t what we,as UGA fans, were told?!!!

By Bob

January 4, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

It is a shame that Georgia and Missouri or USC could not play the right opponents. There should be a playoff system!!

By MisterT

January 4, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

GeoffDawg,

I notice that you did not take issue with the rest of my rant. Do I that to mean that you agree with my tongue in cheek accessment or that you actually believe that CMR is the second coming of The Bear and that the pups actully deserve to be crowned 12 Time NC’s (mythical I might add). Let’s just use the converse of Alabama’s theory of claiming “back dated” titles and award uga an additional 10 or 11 predated NCs!

Again for those of you in Moultrie, Wrightsville, Washington, GA..

converse - opposite or contrary in direction, action, sequence, etc.; turned around. Reverse thought process.

I am using sarcasm

sarcasm - a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark

By robodog

January 4, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Mr CFB, you are dead right. The BCS is “a” national championship but not “the” national championship. It likes to look more official, but it is not the NCAA’s official 1-A championship. That’s b/c, as far as the NCAA is concerned, there is no official 1-A champion, and the national championship (despite the BCS’s marketing muscle) is still MYTHICAL.

I actually like split champions b/c it reminds us all that we don’t have an officially recognized championship, which keeps the debates going and makes college football great (and unique).

I’d LOVE to see the AP exercise its independence with a separate champion. They should throw some #1 votes around to UGA and USC. KU is a good team, but from watching them play Missouri late in the season, I’d say they were exposed - just like Arizona St was exposed by USC late. Beating Va Tech (who have major QB issues) just doesn’t make up for that.

I just wish the AP had kept UGA ahead of LSU in their final regular season poll. Then a split championship b/w UGA and LSU would be more realistic. What a huge nod to the SEC that would be!

By doctor

January 4, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Why not? Kansas has lost only one game, that to Missouri who is arguably in the top 5 in the nation. They were certainly there when Kansas lost to them. Kansas held up there end in the Orange Bowl. It would be better if they had to play LSU, Ohio State, and Georgia, but that’s not to be. They played the had they were dealt and took care of business. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Based on YOUR logic Tony West Virginia should be crowned AP Champ if what you implied occurs. You left Chokelahoma out of your equation. Kansas lost to Mizzou who lost to Chokelahoma who lost to West Virginia.

By pvb

January 4, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Tony, Did Kansas play for their conference championship? Take a stand Tony and stick to it. You change more than the wind.

By Richard

January 4, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Tony,

Kansas, are you kidding me? They didn’t win their conference or their division. The same reasoning applies to Georgia. They aren’t in the discussion.

Your question should be centered around WVU and USC. Dont look now but the Mountaineers and Trojans could finish the season with as much a claim to the National Championship as LSU. Let’s split the title 3 ways and be done with it.

By BullDog Mike

January 4, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Kansas looked very good in their game against VT. But didn’t Sou Cal look even more dominant in their win? Another one loss team for the AP to consider, would’nt you think?

By jokurone

January 4, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Georgia should be the national champ if LSU loses to O HIgh HOE.Bring on the Duck eyes for the plus 1 game.

By Paul Hamilton

January 4, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

But..they didn’t even play in their conference championship?? Isn’t that the BS I keep hearing about Georgia. College football is such a frilling mess. I do agree they probably deserve it more than Ohio State. Their non conference schedule was a joke, which I believe will show its ugly head when they play LSU.

By ck

January 4, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

No way… if anyone leapfrogs The winner of the BCS game then it should be GA who is the next highest ranked winner in the BCS Bowls. They manhandled their opponent who was undefeated in the BCS Sugar Bowl. Where is the love……. if Kansas leapfrogs from #8 to #1. This would prove the BCS does not work at all.

By Miles

January 4, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Sports writers can write (subjectively) and computers can calculate (precisely). Thus, we’ll allow the OBJECTIVE form of the BCS mathematics to crown a champion on January 7, 2008! Interestingly, Pete Carroll referred to the 2003 Rose Bowl as “his national championship” when the true National Champion was LSU. You can’t have it both ways. All teams entering the season, i.e., Georgia, USC, Kansas, Ohio State, LSU, etc. knew that going into the season the winner of this year’s BCS Championship game would be the National Champion. Cosequently, every team’s goal was to get to this game in New Orleans. If you didn’t make it to the BCS Championship, there’s no way to be considered the National Champion. Again, unlike Pete Carroll, you can’t have it both ways. Simple.

By aaron

January 4, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

USC was obviously the best team in 2003. LSU got lucky to play an overrated Oklahoma team. The BCS rarely ever matches the 2 best teams, so yes the AP can and should choose their national champ separately and it is perfectly legit.

By BullDog Mike

January 4, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Tony, I have an idea, let’s have an AP championship game with Sou Cal against Georgia !!! These two could beat anybody right now…

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Oh and BTW Isn’t that the same VA Tech that LSU beat by 41 earlier this year????????

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

MisterT, Nice to see you got a Dictionary for Christmas. Look up the word Jackass and see if your picture is beside it.

By GoTech1971

January 4, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Even as a GT and ACC fan, I have to admit that the ACC was VERY weak this year and that a win by KU over VT just doesn’t have the same punch as WVU’s or USC’s win. And as someone said above, KU should be elimnated for the very same reason that UGA was elminated by the media. No conference championship = No national championship

By RedandBlack

January 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Hello,

The reason that these BcS bowl games are so lopsided THIS year is that the media did not want to accept the rankings from the previous week so they talked and talked and talked then talked some more until the final rankings came out with what everyone is having to deal with now. The University of Georgia was ranked ahead of USC, LSU, Kansas, Oklahoma, etc. before the conference championships. Afterward, Georgia lost ground on the rankings and stayed put without moving up like everyone else did. It does not matter that Georgia did not win their conference. The University of Georgia played a significantly more difficult schedule of teams. Everyone of those ohter teams lost at least one game (LSU twice) since Georgia last lost.

The University of Georgia clearly showed by their play that they are a cut above ANYONE who has played thus far including USC. The Dogs justly should receive several number one votes for that reason no matter the outcome of the BcS Championship game.

239 days until the start of the 2008 National Championship season, Dog Fans. Go Dogs!!!

By ck

January 4, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Consider that against common opponents LSU and GA scored 232 and 233 points respectively. Against those same opponents LSU and GA allowed 173 points and 119 points respectively. Although the offenses were basiscally equal, Ga’s defense far outplayed LSU’s… Now who should be the higher ranked two loss team? My point is made and Terrance Moore can start his whining.

By GeoffDawg

January 4, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

MisterT, I think “rant” is the operative word there. Some statements do not rise to the level of necessitating a formal response. My real concern is that you seemed to imply that the good people of Athens, GA would somehow be unfamiliar with the words of El Rushbo.

By headknocker

January 4, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

It seems that the consensus is clear- any team that doesn’t win their conference or division shouldn’t be considered for the NC, in any poll, unless we change the “rules” for the BCS.

The real point of all this is that the polls aren’t much better than a beauty contest. If you start high you finish high. If you start low (in most years) you have little chance of reaching the top. The ONLY thing that is really meaningful is your conference championship. Win that and let the chips fall.

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

GoTech1971 You my dear Sir receive the award for unbiased accurate logic. As I agree that UGA nor any other team that did not compete or win their conference or conference championship (for those who have the Khuna’s to play one (Big 10/11 & Pac 10))should be logically be considered.

By Brian

January 4, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

bulldogborn,

The BCS is the system for crowing an UNDISPUTED NC that all of the major conferences have agreed to. Of coarse a playoff is better, but that’s not the rules that were agreed to by Kansas, Ohio St, LSU, Georgia etc. AP, fans, or anyone else can complain, but we can’t tell the schools playing in the games how to make the rules they play by.

Aside the fans that are cheated by not seeing great matchups, the only people that have a real gripe are non-BCS schools for obvious reasons. The AP is upset because the schools decided to ignore what they think.

Tony, if the AP wants to go ahead and name an NC, they are more than welcome…. doesn’t mean it is a split championship though, sorry. That’s old school thinking. Just means you guys disagree with the rules laid out by the BCS schools.

By True Dawg

January 4, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Yes, us Dawgs are going to keep going on about how we should have been in the National Championship game. It doesn’t matter that we lost out on playing in the conference game. Hasn’t matter in the past, now has it? We lost early in the season to Tennessee and that gave them the advantage to play in the conference game. We would have beat LSU in the conference game if we were able to play in it. As hard as those guys (GA) played in the last 7 games (some were against big teams) they well deserved it. Yes, I am glad that GA got to play in the Sugar bowl but they could have atleast matched GA up with someone better than Hawaii. We are better than that! Gooooo Dawgs!

By GT80

January 4, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

BullDog Mike and others, or maybe the AP could hold a quick playoff, with Kansas, UGA, USC and the winner of LSU v OSU. Or, just call them all co-National Champions. It really doesn’t matter.

But on another related subject, is it just me or has FOX sucked the life out of all of these BCS games with the ridiculous amount of commercials, poor production and even poorer announcing crews. The UGA/Hawaii game was unwatchable. Hawaii would go 3 and out, punt, and we have a 3 minute commercial break. UGA would score in about 4 plays, and we have another 3 minute commercial break, and so on and so on. When it was halftime @ 11P and the game was really over, I couldn’t watch anymore. Same thing with WVU and OKLA. Last nights game at least was competitive enough to keep watching, but how many times do I have to see the same camera shots of both school bands and how many times do I have to see the same commercials. ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!

Tony, your Mr College Football, please start letting the powers that be know that FOX and the BCS are killing the best part of the season.

I can only imagine that the game next Monday will be just as bad. Even if it’s a great game like the USC/TEXAS game a few years ago, it won’t end until around 1P Eastern and I’ll be sleeping on the couch trying in vain to stay awake.

By JS

January 4, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

You are correct. The BCS is only one form of National Championship. Nothing in the rules (as we saw in ‘03) states that there can be only one since the BCS came about in the late 90’s. KU didn’t win the Big12 though, so I wouldn’t say they are the champ, but you have a valid point.

By MisterT

January 4, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

I love hearing these dullbogs. They are saying the same things I am saying. But while I am saying them in sarcasm, they actually believe they are deserving to be the NC regardless of who wins the BCS Championship game!

“Georgia should be the national champ if LSU loses to O HIgh HOE”

and

“Then a split championship b/w UGA and LSU would be more realistic.”

Split with LSU? You didn’t even win your division of the conference! You call OU “Choklahoma”…short memories you have. uga just did their choking early to UT and usc (note: not the all caps USC) And oh yeah, you were ready to crucify CMR back then. Guess that is when he went over to the dark side.

You hairy ho’s absolutely crack me up! Keep in mind this is who was voting on the AJC mythical play off format. I bet nobody saw who was going to win that poll! sarcasm

By JW

January 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

They beat an ACC team. I believe the ACC has never won a BCS bowl game so what’s the big deal about beating VA Tech. Look clemson the #2 ACC team couldn’t beat the #6 SEC team. The ACC is a great basketball conference but is behind when it comes to football. FSU and Miami may bring them back but now it’s for players who don’t want to compete on a higher level.

By DWG

January 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Enough already with this “win your conference or no consideration for national championship”. Let’s face it. OSU and USC play no conf. championship game. If the big 12 had no conf. championship, Missouri would be playing for the NC. Mizzou would have 1 loss and head to head win over KU and would not have had to stick it’s neck out on the line and play OU in the big 12 Championship - something OSU didn’t have to do this season. Until all teams are held to the same standard we need to take conf. championships out of the equation.

By Grudge

January 4, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

Kansas number 1?

LOL. I think it would be very appropriate at this point, if # 2 beats # 1 next Monday, that # 8 would leap frog into the top spot in the final BCS Poll. LOL. This would be very “BCSish”.

I’m just hoping Georgia holds on to number 5. We didn’t just embarrass Hawaii, we embarrassed Lou Holtz and many other BCS elitist as well. They might use Arkansas (SEC) poor showing against Missouri to drop us to # 6.

It’s sad, but after LSU beats Ohio State, I think the final ranking will look like this-

1. LSU
2. Kansas
3. West Virginia
4. USC
5. Missouri
6. Georgia
7. I sure hope I’m wrong

PS: Winning you’re conference championship game means little if everyone in the conference didn’t play each other during the regular season.

By marty

January 4, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

you don’t have any LSU friends fatso.

if UGA was in the BCS game, you would have never wrote this.

By GloryGlory

January 4, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Akeem Hebron, Ben Jones, Dontavious Jackson, Richard Samuel, and Tavaris King are enrolling at UGA this semester.

By Top_Shelf

January 4, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

“Let’s see, Kansas failed to win their division or conference title, and that fact alone should preclude any chance at the National Championship. At least, that’s what all the pundits/experts nationally and at ESPN were saying, with regard to Georgia. What’s good enough for the Dawgs is good enough for the Jayhawks”

Well said OceanGeorgia

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

FWIW- The Gators pitifull Defense took a major hit yesterday when Harvey chose to go to the NFL. Hope they, as the media darlings, get ranked higher than the Dawgs (undeservedly so) and then will proceed to get exposed in the SEC with no D.

By ck

January 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

GT80 …. you are so right…about FOX and their coverage… this is absolutely an outrage and I refuse to participate in their destruction of the game. I just DVR the games and let my REMOTE do the walking… cuts the game time in half… Can’t do anything about the coverage and announcers except pray that ESPN or ABC gets the games back soon.

By JimmyG

January 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

How about this. VT is a pathetic football team, and this shows how down the ACC was this year. Look at the ACC in bowl games this year, and look at how VT did against out of conference teams. Barely beat East Carolina, destroyed by LSU, and Kansas dominated the game. This isn’t a case of how good Kansas is. This is a case of how poor VT is. And no if you are an AP voter you cannot move Kansas ahead of Missouri when both teams won, and Missouri was ranked ahead of them and beat them. That would make about as much sense as numbers 2 and 3 losing and the number 4 team dropping a spot.

By Robert

January 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

I said from the beginning that KU should have been playing Ohio State for the national title. But we had UGA, OU, LSU and USC making claims. If I recall correctly those four teams had 8 loses of which 7 were against un-ranked teams! KU was every bit as deserving to be in the title game as was Ohio State and more deserving than UGA, LSU, OU or USC!

So certainly if I am a voter in the AP I vote KU number 1! I don’t care who wins the Ohio State/LSU game. And I am not a KU fan, but fair is fair!

By michaelgee

January 4, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

UGA couldn’t get started until mid season, didn’t win the SEC Championship, co-champs my arse, got beat by Spurrier and Fulmer, then beat up a cup cake in a Bowl Game and now THINK they should be National Champions.

Ha, what a joke!

MR Richt needs to be a coach and drop the Cheerleader role.

Win your freaking GAMES and you can possibly be a National Champ.

I saw the UGA vs USC Rose Bowl crap, how would UGA beat USC of California if they can’t even beat the USC fron South Carolina???

UGA fans, Coaches and Bulldawg Nation need to be SMARTER and understand that to be the CHAMPS, win ALL of your games.

Otherwise they should STFU and go back under the porch.

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Thankgoodness for the UGA fans MisterT or your life would be irrelevant(not relevant) also immaterial,inconsequential,insignificant or unimportant.

By ushouldbeunmployed

January 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

that has to be the dumbest argument i have heard this year. kansas as national champ?! They played one team all year, Missouri, and got spanked. They don’t play OK or TX- which is like playing in the SEC and not playing Florida, LSU, Georgia, or Auburn. Georgia and USC would both beat KU by 21 and they are not even mentioned. LSU beat Va Tech by three touchdowns and would do the same to KU. Get a clue. The SEC is the only league that plays tough opponents week in and week out, and should be credited for that.

By raschal

January 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

No, Kansas has a good team but to lay a claim as a national champion with the schedule they played would be a joke. Have to plug my Dawgs here, after the fall of VT last night two of the three teams that somehow jumped Georgia have now been proven to lesser teams with losses in thier respective games. Were Dawg fans just whining or should we be playing Monday?

By AltamahaDawg

January 4, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Oh GOD no, it has to be USC, no matter who they have to leap. Didn’t you read the west coast papers?

(Mister T, if you have to TELL somebody its sarcasm, you dont understand how to deliver it very well)

By ck

January 4, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Robert… ask yourself how many of KU’s regular season opponents are were ranked at the end of the season…Voters must consider the strength of schedule… not just the records otherwise Hawaii would have to be considered as well… They only lost one game to the #5 ranked team in the nation… So be fair but be accurate in applying fairness.

By marty

January 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

whats funny is now that UGA has a team they feel like can win something, they will do what they always do.

CHOKE.

In 2008 they will be watching LSU and Florida play for titles again while they are once again crying champions.

UGA can’t win a MNC the way they choke. they are much better suited to do what they are doing now - WHINING.

lol.

By racer

January 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

There is no “split” Champion. Complain all you want about what the AP did in 2003, the reality is it was the definition of insignificant. The AP has no say, just the BCS. If you don’t believe me, then just follow the money. Go to Las Vegas and ask them who they paid for picking the National Champion in 2003. I’ll give you ONE guess, and it wasn’t USC!!!

By PWW

January 4, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

I failed to consider the Kansas possibility. I just figured that since UGA was 5th in the BCS poll, and 2 of the teams ahead of us had lost, and one other has to lose next week, we should drop to 6th, right?

By ck

January 4, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Hmmmm, If logic applied and The four major bowls were used to determine a playoff then GA, WV, KU abnd USC would be in the playoffs. But of course LSU and OS would have been in two of these games so more than likely eliminating the ninth and 10th ranked teams then WV would be out and we could put LSU in their position. Would OS have beaten KU as a #1 vs #8 Probably…so we have GA, LSU, OS and USC as the final four teams for the championship. My guess is that GA would beat OS and USC would beat LSU…And there is the real championship between the hottest teams in the game. My guess is that this system would produce a real Champion that not even the AP would dispute.

The total number of extra games played for the two championship contenders would be two… and what University would say that it wasn’t worth it. So the seaon ends in the middle of Jan or we move the quarterfinal syatem up a week.

It is time to put rediculous speculation to rest and present a genuine 8 team playoff for the championship.

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Michaelgee, You are the antithesis of the UGA team. Where as the Dawgs progressed from a young/immature team as Coach Richt predicted prior to the season. To where they finished by beating four Top 25 team by ridiculus margins. I make no excuses for UGA’s loses to Carolina or Tenn but the same could be said for USC’s losses (at home no less) to Stanford??? and then at Oregon (look where they fell to) USC, for all the hype about their “Loaded” yada yada yada is probably the greatest disappointment of all the D1 teams. The majority of UGA fans were expecting 8-4 or 7-5 given our immature Oline and questions with LB’s and Dline. Where and how the Dawgs finished this year is better, save LSU, than any other SEC team.

By The Old Pitbull

January 4, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Just a reminder to Mr. T and to all of you college football fans out there: the national college football championships awarded by the BCS, AP, UPI (I know there’re gone), and the rest are meaningless. The NCAA does NOT recognize a Bowl Division team as a National Champion. If your school wants to be recognized as a national champion then it needs to drop down to the old Div IAA level where the NCAA does crown an official national champion.

The only organization that has the right to crown a college national champion is the NCAA. Until it chooses to do so at the Bowl Division level, all of theis banter is simply moot clamor.

I am a UGA grad and would love for UGA to be a college football national champion, just like you would for whatever school you attended or cheer for. But the bottom line is that all of the BCS schools - and that includes Georgia Tech with all of their delusional grads - have exactly the same number of NCAA college football national championships which is ZERO. Now get over it and get a life.

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Touche Altamaha!!! I like the way you post. And Dear marty where might I ask is Florida going to get a DEFENSE from between now and August????

By Dawghead

January 4, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

OK,here’s the thing. I have changed my mind on the whole jean shorts issue. Sports Illustrated’s Web site has pix of a Jaguars cheerleader, in jean shorts, and she looks goooooooood!!

By ck

January 4, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Dadgum Pitbull… Now I don’t have any reason to watch the games anymore. I guess my wife was right all the games are meaningless and should therefore just be ignored. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Hmmmm… on second thought it is much more fun spending my saturdays watching the dogs and wondering if this could be the year. Think I’ll remain a dawg fan for life… By the way you did make a good point about Div II teams… Afterall look what they did for Ohio State and Kansas.

By Treeman

January 4, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Why doesn’t MisterT just go ahead and call himself MisterGT?

By a

January 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

how is it that some one that goes 11-1 in the season not make it to the confrence championship game and the team that is 9-2 ends up winning. there should of been 3 big 12 team in the BCS bowls not just two but with the rule that you can only take two from the same Conference is a joke.

By RANDY

January 4, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

SHOULD KANSAS BE SHARE CHAMPIONSHIP?

Answer: No Why: They didn’t even win their conference. And had there been a playoff, doubtful if they would have even been invited as an at-large bid with Georgia and Hawaii making claims.

Nice try, Tony.

By Too Bad

January 4, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

IT doesn’t matter…All of this ends once My Buckeyes beat the Tiger P** out of those p*** cats from LSU. The SEC is the greatest thing since sliced bread? Yeah right. GA beat Hawaii which was equivalent to beating 3rd string Varsity Girls Wheelchair team. They couldn’t even win their own division. They are a joke and Kansas is pure garbage. GO BUCKS!!!!!!!

By quaildawg

January 4, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

Got a question for everyone???? Who’s on top of the PNC(People’s National Champion) Poll or the Golf Digest Poll??? Aren’t those the two titles that Auburn won in 04’?

By aj

January 4, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

michaelgee- last i checked…a loss to stanford trumps any loss to a SEC team…sooooo let’s just simmer down now. do i think that UGA would have beat USC? absolutely. do i think that we deserved to be playing for the championship? hmmm. maybe not so much, but i do believe that we should be playing instead of one of the two teams that are there. after OSU ends this year 0-9 against the SEC in bowls, then maybe they won’t have a HOV lane directly to the BCS championship game next year. honestly i would have loved to see a LSU/UGA BCS championship game.

By I've been working on the railroad

January 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Congrats UGA on your national title voted by you in the AJC over LSU..It’s the only one you will win, ever.

By BCS Slave

January 4, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Here’s the problem in a nutshell:

1. The voters ranked Georgia 4th going into the conference championship knowing they would not play in the game.

2. Because of the conference championship, LSU passed UGA in the rankings because an extra game was factored into the polls AND because of the biased voting of the media and coaches. Georgia actually went down in the rankings while OSU, who was idle the same day Georgia was, moved up a spot.

3. LSU lost two games. Georgia lost two. LSU’s losses were came at the end of the season. Georgia’s came early. Yet LSU was somehow worthy of jumping 5 spots in the polls due to their winning a CC.

4. Conference championships are NOT REQUIRED by the BC$. They should have no bearing on the outcome. Ohio State is the prime example of a team playing for the NC who didn’t win one. Why didn’t they drop in the polls? Media and coaches bias.

The bottom line is that we cannot scientifically or subjectively determine which team is better given all the variables involved. But we can see clear bias. We have but to listen to media types for five minutes to see agendas and geographic allegiances clouding objectivity. There is NO INTEGRITY in that.

The ONLY way to end this is with a playoff. Require every conference who participates in the BC$ to play a CC GAME. Let the Conf. Champs line up in a playoff system. If we need an at large team or two to even out the brackets, fine. After conference championships, THEN rank the teams for seeding in the playoffs.

If need be, cut a couple of games off the regular season. If need be, play only games in your conf. div. with one rivalry game outside it. Every game in the conf. would mean something. Every game could make or break your season. Rankings would not be a factor until seedings. They certainly wouldn’t keep deserving teams out of big games because of bias.

The BC$ is biased. It is inconsistent not only within the season, but from year to year. At the very least, we need to get media and coaches out of it. Allow select non-div 1A former players to vote. Allow a select few national media to vote. REQUIRE the publication each person’s vote. Then use the computer polls as we have been doing. Work harder to ensure there are no conflicts of interest by having voters who came from a competing school to recuse themselves when their alma mater is in the playoff. The colleges and the leadership in the NCAA are supposed to have half a brain. They should be able to figure out how to make the BC$ better.

By aarh

January 4, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

That was an impressive win by Kansas. I was wondering about that myself, but whatever happened to the argument about not winning your conference? Kansas didn’t do that either.

By FanMan

January 4, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

To all you UGA fans that are saying you were told over and over that Georgia didn’t even win our conference. That is not what you were told. You were told Georgia did not even win their division which is different in case you don’t know that.In other words you didn’t even finish second in your conference. Lets not confuse the two.

By johnnyP

January 4, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

FOX=worst sports broadcast ever!

By decatur dawg

January 4, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Geez, what a load of crap. I normally like Tony’s articles, but this one, this one totally proves the point that beat writers, so-called media “sports experts”, columnists, pundits, tv anouncers, all have one thing in common: Sell, Sell, Sell! And this article is so stupid, so egregious, that it epitomizes this sentiment. There are so many flaws in this argument -Conference Champ issue, pure rankings issue—all of them, and just pure unadulterated stupidity, that it shouldn’t even be commented on again.

Of course, here I am, blogging on it!!!! they got what they wanted, but this one just takes the cake!!

Question, does the BCS use the AP rankings for their formula? And if so, how can that poll determine anything by itself?

Not sure on this though, can someone help me out!

Go Dawgs!!

By 1990 Natl Champs

January 4, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

No way on Kansas, No way on Georgia. Neither team even deserves speculation as neither is a conference champion. Heck, one of them isn’t even a ‘divisional’ champ.

For all of those staring at their crystal balls saying, “Well Georgia would’ve done this and would’ve done that had they played (insert school)” need to read Moor’s article from a day ago. Don’t give me schedule stregnth, just win all your games next time.

2008 minus 1980 equals 28 years and even though next year might look promising, I’ll take the rest of the field each and every season!

By Robert

January 4, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Who cares!!

By Justafan

January 4, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

TDone, you can’t really be serious that a playoff would degrade the regular season. As it is now there is no tru national champion because the one that is crowned has rarely beat the best teams available. With a playoff, the top x number of teams can battle it out on the field and not let some biased opinion come into play. If you don’t think biased opinions come into to play, look at the way writeres and coaches changed the way they voted from one week to the next in early Dec.

By RamblinLonghorn

January 4, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Pitbull: So was Semantics 101 a required course at UGA [sic]

By BCS Hata

January 4, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

So, you’re proposing that maybe the national champion doesn’t have to be the champion of its own conference? Yet apparently, the ‘criteria of the month’ for getting INTO the national championship game was that both teams should be conference champions.

Yeah….OK…….

By ck

January 4, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

How write the sound made when you stick your tongue out and blow hard almost spitting THHHHHHHHHHHHH… I think it sounds something like FanMan speaking….

By aarh

January 4, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

GA did win their division. They jsut didn’t play in the SEC championship bc of the tie breaker system. If they only had a different tie breaker system Ga would have been in that game. They tied Tenn for the east division title. It would be diferent if the SEC champion actually had a better record. My other point is that all these teams that they let jump Ga when they didn’t even lose bc of the not winning their conference are all losing their bowl game. In no other sport do you have to win your division to be champion. Just look at the Marlins! UGA is playing the best right now.

By ck

January 4, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

FanMan… Guess thats why we went to the Sugar Bowl.

By m

January 4, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

The BCS sucks as bad as Chan Gailey. LSU should never have even been in the national championship game. They got beat by Arkansas…a team that Missouri DESTROYED. Kansas definitely should be voted ahead of LSU. But it probably won’t matter because Ohio St. will probably stomp a mudhole in their bayou, just like Michigan did to Florida.

By rrdawg

January 4, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

If LSU wins the next game(not championship game) I expect to see two SEC teams 1 and 2. Pitty they could not decide it on the field

By Donna Outlaw

January 4, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

My memory must be faulty because I thought after the fiasco in 2003 when USC thought they shared the #1 spot with LSU, it was decided that if, at the end of the season, the BCS and AP polls differed, then the BCS rankings would be used to determine who would play for “THE” national championship and that the BCS would take precedent over the AP.

By bb

January 4, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

The ACC was not even close to the worst BCS conference this year. I will grant that the SEC was the best conference this year (but not by as wide a margin as most SEC fans imagine). However, here are some facts regarding OOC play this year (the only real way to compare one conference to another).

Against BCS bowl-eligible teams this year the ACC was 9-14 (even with the admittedly horrid bowl showing). Compare that to the Big 10 at 2-6 and the Big East at 4-9. You see the ACC hardly is the worst BCS conference, especially when you consider those 9 wins against bowl-eligible BCS teams is tied with the SEC for the most by any conference (the SEC can move to 10-9 with a win on Monday) Consider that the Pac10 at 6-4 has the best winning pct and you see that there is not much difference in any of the BCS conferences.

By Ed

January 4, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Old Pitbull is right, every national championship awarded by the press or coaches in the history of 1-A is mythical, meaning it wasn’t awarded on the field. It’s a popularity contest, if not an award for good timing and luck in most cases (ex: UCLA’s improbable upset of USC gave Florida a chance to play OSU for the title, but only after the Florida coach out-lobbied the Michigan coach). One-loss Florida won the annual beauty contest over Boise State, a team with a perfect record and a BCS bowl victory. 2-loss LSU and one-loss Ohio State won this year’s beauty contest over undefeated Hawaii and one-loss Kansas. 13-1 Georgia was unworthy in ‘02, 13-0 Auburn was unworthy in ‘04, but 13-1 LSU was worthy in ‘03, 13-1 Florida was worthy in ‘06, and LSU will be deemed worthy this year if it can win next week and finish 12-2. Make sense?

In ‘04, undefeated USC won the beauty contest over an equally perfect Auburn team, largely because USC beat Auburn in a regular season game the year before. Thus we were left with a 13-0, BCS conference team that entered the bowl season ranked third with no chance at the mythical title only because the polls liked two other teams better (one of which - Oklahoma - imploded in the title game), an absurdity.

As a Georgia fan I’m proud of the fact that the Dawgs are recognized as national champs in ‘42 and ‘80, but I can’t deny that those championships exist only in the minds of pollsters. Somehow, Georgia’s dominant undefeated 1946 team lost the beauty contest to Notre Dame and Army, both of which had ties on their record. The biggest hard luck program in the country is Penn State, which has something like 5 undefeated seasons with only a couple of NC to show for it. There’s nothing objective about the process.

That’s why I think that the only goal of a team should be to win its conference, as that is the only thing it can control when the season starts. Georgia ranks third in the SEC in all-time conference titles with 12, only one behind Tennessee (we’ll catch them next year). Alabama has a sizable lead over both. After that I think its LSU, Florida and Auburn who each have something like 6-8 titles.

By JC

January 4, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Georgia beat Hawaii a poor mid-major and you think your king of the hill, get a life.Kansas is 1-1 against the only quality opponent it played. The playoff for the BCS started on 9/1/07 win your in, with the exception of LSU who was awarded a home game. Kansas, Georgia West Virginia, USC and Oklahoma have no claim to the National Title who cares who finished in the top 5 or top 2, 2nd place is first for losers, dawgs, jhawks, trojans and mountaineers get in line. Gerogia in next year’s title game don’t count on it, my guess a similar season to 07 and more whining about not winning.

By Dawg75

January 4, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

Ohio State and its weak a55 over-rated schedule will be beat again by an SEC team. Ohio fans claim they are so good just b/c you can make it to the top on an easy schedule does not mean you are a national champ team. Like proven last year. Prepare for a beating.

By PM

January 4, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Decatur Dawg, AP poll is not used in the BCS formula, if it were they would be required to vote the party line like the coaches are and Tony’s article would be irrelevant.

By boots

January 4, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Does Kansas have an argument? Yes. Do other teams have arguments? Absolutely. If Kansas gets a share, then so should two or three other teams. Perhaps that is one way to implode the BCS - just invalidate their “championship” game and declare four or five other championships like happened in the 40s and 50s.

Let’s have the “Barnhart Champion” and make it Kansas. Then we can have a Slabaugh Champion and make it USC, and just to irritate the Techies, the Bobby Dodd Champion and make it UGA. Now, everyone is happy.

No, Tony, Kansas should be penalized for playing a wussy schedule. No NC for them. PLUS it would be yet another example of teams jumping other teams in the polls. What good are polls if they don’t matter the following week? The Dawgs beat the crap out of the #10 team, but Kansas can jump over several teams by beating an ACC team that LSU destroyed even more? Please…

By Ed

January 4, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

JC, my guess for your team is another 7-6 season capped off by a trip to the frigid blue turf of Boise. Wear plenty of layers.

By JC= just a c**

January 4, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

Shut up, no one cares what your opinion is about your jealousy towards the Dawgs. Kansas and Hawaii are the same thing, except Kansas beat Virginia Tech, who is not a top team moron. Everyone lost games idiot so your ideas on having losses and not being a national champ team spews of nothing but jealousy and having your heart broken about your own team. Sorry maybe next year buddy!!!

By UGA baby

January 4, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Waaaaaaaah!! Nobody respects the Dawgs! Waaaaaaah! We should be the national champs! WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

By johnnyP

January 4, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Hey LSU Fans, Just wait until Thom Brennaman refers to your team as the Crimson Tide on National television and then accuses them of running up the score with their 2nd and 3rd string players and states that LSU owes the country an apology for dominating an inferior opponent. All that after one of your key players gets injured and they cut to commercials without offering any status or speculation. Enough to make you mentally re-invent that irritating commercial they will show 100 times. “Here’s the keys. Go get your own damm crunchy cheesy melty chewy gut bomb burrito and leave me alone while I watch 3 minutes of actual football every half hour!”

viewer tip: mute FOX and turn on the ESPN radio broadcast of the game for audio. It may not be Keith Jackson-esque, but at least it’s not as mind numbingly awful as FOX.

By Titothebear

January 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Grudge,

Tell Notre Dame to grow a pair and join the Big Ten and that would leave the Pac 10 as the only ones w/o a title game…oh, that’s right, Notre D(L)ame is holier than thou, they have their own TV network, etc. so they don’t need to listen to anybody!!!!!

By 74 Dawg

January 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Tony, have you been sniffing the Grecian Formula again?

By mmmmmmmmmmm

January 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Kansas played a weak but similar Non-conference schedule to OSU. They had good road wins at A&M (difficult place to play), Oklahoma State, CO (difficult place to play…OU lost there) and their only lose was to MU which was ranked 3 (by 8 points…that is not getting crushed) and this was at a neutral site.

UGA’s two losses were bad loses. OSU lost to Ill…they are a joke and had no business being ranked where they are. They also sat and backed there way into the title game by not playing.

Big 12 is 5-3 in bowls this year so you can’t dismiss the Big 12 as a weak conference.

KU was penalized for a late loss and has as much claim to a mythical title as any team.

By mikegadawg

January 4, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

This is easy. NO> According to the voters, they didnt win their conference, so not eligible for anything cept a BCS berth. End of debate.

By Gen Neyland

January 4, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

aarh

If the tables were reversed, you’d stand up for the tie-breaker system, wouldn’t you..? Now be honest…

By 74 Dawg

January 4, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Ed, Florida never won squat till Spurrier got there, they have no tradition, except the recently renewed tradition of losing in Jville , which will be continued next year. Chomp that, Gators.

By 01' DAWG

January 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter. Lou Holtz is still going to put Notre Lame in at the number 1 spot.

By Ed

January 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

JC, if the “playoff for the BCS” started on 9/1/07, then how did LSU get in with two losses since that time? Their loss to Arkansas all of a sudden looks a lot worse, doesn’t it? Also, if the “playoff” started on 9/1/07, then Hawaii did all it could do to get to the title game. How did that work out for them? Kansas lost one less game than LSU since the “playoffs” began on 9/1/07, how did that work out for them? Your argument makes no sense.

Fact is, Georgia has every bit as much claim to the title game as does LSU. Both finished the regular season 10-2. Both finished the regular season tied with Tennessee atop the conference with 6-2 records. LSU’s supposed superiority over Georgia is due to a…tiebreaker? What exactly is the basis for LSU’s ascension over two-loss teams USC, Va. Tech, Kansas, Oklahoma, West Virginia, etc. - a sloppy win over Tennessee in the SECC? At least OSU can point to the fact that it only lost once. Not that being a one-loss team helped Kansas any…

Give me a break. The BCS system is a complete joke. Scrap the conference title games and either have a playoff, or play a 12-game regular season and go back to the old system of bowl tie-ins and AP/Coaches polls. At least that allowed for voters to make adjustments and award titles based on their assessment of the season as a whole once all games have been played. What happens if LSU and OSU play horribly and end up in a mistake-filled 13-10 stinker? Why should the coaches HAVE to vote one of those teams champs?

By boots

January 4, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Greg, saw your post above about how when #1 and #2 play each other, the winner should be the NC because that is how it works: 1 and 2 play the game. Yes, the same way it works when #1 and #2 lose, and #3 and #4 then move up one slot, right? Uh… no, apparently not. In this crap system, there are no rules, which is Tony B’s point. Week to week, day to day, you just make it up as you go along. Welcome to the political machine of college football! My own national champ is the Dawgs!

By RAD

January 4, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Did anyone see the Sooners get crushed by West Virgina? The same Sooners (who lost to Colorado and Texas Tech)who beat MU twice (who beat the Jayhawks). The same West Virgina that got beat by Pitt? They all had there chance - it is now down to one game. Leave it at that.

By Lee

January 4, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Good grief… Like any of this matters.

This is a dream season for the BCS. There are probably 6-8 teams out there that could make a good arguement for the national championship. Veiwership of the BCS bowls is probably at an all time high and the murder capital of the US (New Orleans) gets a financial bonanza of two bowl games.

Why should they change anything?

By Class of '98

January 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

This is insane. Consider them for the National Championship?

For the last month all UGA fans have heard is how we didn’t deserve to play for it because we didn’t win our division.

Neither did Kansas. Why the double-standard?

By andrew

January 4, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Wait a minute! I thought the same media said that teams who did not win their conference title should be allowed to play in the National Championship thus not being able to claim the Championship. Kansas did not win or share their division in their conference. Also, they played a very weak team in VA Tech who got beat by 41 by LSU. You can’t have it both ways. Why shouldn’t Hawaii get a portion of the championship them? They only lost one game as well and they won their conference. And don’t tell me that they should not because they play in a non-BCS league, but then the BCS lets them play in a BCS game. It’s supposed to be the best team at the end of the year that wins the championship. So your telling me Kansas is better than LSU, Ohio State, West Virginia, UGA and USC. Sound like a bunch of double standards to me.

By David

January 4, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Barnhart, you’re just like every other writer in the South. If your Georgia Bulldogs aren’t getting the glory, you do everything you can to tear down other SEC schools. Do you honestly beleive Kansas deserves to mentioned in the same sentence as LSU and Co-Champion? Give me a break! Everything you do for the AJC and ESPN is extremly biased. No Thanks!!

By 08 Sugarbowl Beatdown

January 4, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Michalagee/mr. t,

I have yet to read too many posts where dog fans honestly think we should be national champs. The only argument I’ve read is that if Kansas can win a share (according to Tony’s assesment), why shouldn’t UGA? (or USC for that matter). Also, the whole sarcasm thing is fairly not funny and a little old (3 posts later).

By the way guys, remind me how Tech looked against an inferior WAC team in comparison to Hawaii

Not too good, huh? Why don’t you two go talk about how the boring a* triple option is the second coming and the savior of bug land* GOOD DAY SMERF LOSERS!

By fayncDAWG

January 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

If final score was 55-0, then uh,uh maybe! But like everybody else down the stretch who could have clinch a bcs title berth, THEY CHOKED! Georgia defeated 6 bowl eligible teams by double figure margins to finish their season (oh, now 7)! NO OTHER TEAM CAME EVEN CLOSE TO ACCOMPLISHING THAT FEAT!! Georgia got hosed!!

By Bob

January 4, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

No… Kansas is in a weak conference except for maybe two other schools. AND, as someone else has said, they didn’t win there conference championship game. That’s worse than not playing in it at all if you look if put more importance in late season games like the BCS seems to do.

By Tim

January 4, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

All, there is no such thing as a split NC anymore (good input Greg). The media still wants to be significant but they just aren’t when it concerns the NC (sorry Tony). The BCS has taken full control of Who is the NC. As for the BCS bowls, BCS conferences have full ownership of who plays in those games. I think that that’s, by far, the biggest problem right now and needs to be corrected first. Why is the Rose bowl “selection committee” allowed to take #13 Illinois? That is a disgrace and they should all be ashamed of themselves…. If the NC game pitts #1 vs #2 then the other four BCS bowls should be required to take #3 vs #4, #5 vs #6, #7 vs #8, and #9 vs #10. I don’t know why this is such difficult math (especially for centers of higher education). For fun and fairness the BCS bowls should rotate who get 3/4,5/6 etc… Tell me where I’m wrong.

By Dark Corner Dawg

January 4, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

These people that keep stating that you need to win the divison and the conference Championship to vie for the NC are simply idotic and are just grasping for straws. In other sports.. college and professional even with playoffs to determine the final champions, is it a reqiurement to soley win your division or conference? NO!!!!!Is it in the BCS Rules? NO again!!!! Does Notre Dame Have to Win a Confrence or division to play in the BCS? NO Again. Does the Dawgs have a good reason to claim that they should play or be voted as NC. You bet your sweet a$$ they do!!!!!

By PM

January 4, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Andrew, speaking of waiting a minute…why don’t you when you hit the POST button?

Otherwise, you should know not to trust “the media”.

Otherwise, otherwise, yeah, I think they can say what they think (win conference) and vote another (vote Kansas or UGA national champ) I bet UGA will get at least one first place vote from someone in the AP poll. In fact I hope they do, it will just help keep all the DAWGnuts spinning for the next 8 months.

By Dr Morpheus

January 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

At the risk of repeating what someone else has already said, if there were a playoff system in D-1, the advancing teams would be SC, UGA, WVU, KU, and the winner of Ohio State-LSU. The rest of the field would include Missouri, Tennessee, and Texas. Two more games and we would have a consensus National Champ. Then again, what makes me think the world will ever come to its sense?

By high on the horse

January 4, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

I know this statement will shock and dumfound most folks out there but really sit down and think about it. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A TRUE NATIONAL CHAMPION in div I college football. PERIOD. Until you have a playoff to prove it, every single argument and point is only an opinion. And we all know that opinions are like them -holes. We all have em’.

By Joshua Barlowe

January 4, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

First - you will never get a logical discussion around here because there are too many UGA fans.

Second - Yes - they should get a share. Talk about weak? LSU lost to Arkansas (who just got pummeled by Missouri) and Kentucky. Talk about improvement all you want, but Kentucky is still Kentucky.

The only reasonably tough road game they had all year was at Alabama (6-6).

LSU doesn’t deserve it anymore than anybody else. We need a playoff.

UGAg should’ve beaten South Carolina or Tennessee.

By Tell the Truth

January 4, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Listen up everyone. Some of you know this already, some of you may not. The reason there is a BCS is because the bowl commitees from the Orange, Sugar, Rose, and Feista all got together and figured out a way to generate mega $Millions$ as Tony mentioned earlier.

The Rose Bowl people knows that Georgia and USC should have been in the Rose Bowl but the Big Ten and Pac 10 is guaranteed money. They’re not concerned about matchups and playoff system. This is simply about controlling revenue and we are not invited when the checks are passed out.

They know a playoff system makes sense but the problem is if there is a playoff, the BCS and the Bowl Commitees, who are all working together by the way, cannot control the ticket sales. It would be too demanding on the alumni faithful to travel from one city to another in one to two weeks. No way you can pack the stadiums with that much traveling.

I know some of you may say, “It’s the playoffs, people will travel and buy tickets”. You may be right but the BCS is not going to take that chance of not getting the tickets sales and guaranteed revenue on hoping that people will travel from week to week. This is not the NFL where you have locals buy up season tickets.

By Mike T.

January 4, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Florida never won squat till Spurrier got there, they have no tradition,

Florida’s claim to fame before Spurrier: Gatorade

By Dr. Kermit P. Soileau

January 4, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

The fact is this: no one will know who the best team really was in the end. The poll here in the AJC had an anticipated winner: the locals. If the poll had been done in the Baton Rouge or New Orleans papers, the results would be just the opposite - both ideas are equally flawed.
UGA could not win its division or conference - a la Kansas. LSU was a world beater at the beginning of the season - a la VA Tech game. They were NOT the No. 1 team over the latter half of the season. OSU has played an easy schedule. There are arguments for all sides. But in the end, the opinion of Mr. Barnhart is no more valid than yours or mine. As long as there is a human element involved, we will never know who the best team really is. We all have our own prejudices when it comes to our teams - and that will NEVER change.
Even a playoff is flawed. Who will choose the top 8 or so teams? My bet is it will be the big media centers with the aid of ESPN - do you really want that many folks from LA & NYC choosing ANY other teams against the SEC brothers? If you think UGA got the shaft this season, or Auburn a few years ago, just put the playoffs in the hands of those “unprejudiced” voters who are aiming at the largest audience (LA & NYC)and the biggest payday (ESPN). The SEC cannot afford a playoff because we don’t have the “friends” to overcome the overwhelming strength of media centers - most of whom are outside the South.
Count your blessings, SEC brothers, because the BCS system has to, at least, look like they know the best conference in the U.S. UF had their turn last year, LSU has theirs this year, & most likely, UGA will have their turn next year. If we can keep it in the family & not get greedy enough to kill our own conference, we may just get to pass the NC back & forth among the SEC elite.

By Lenny

January 4, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Why does the argument against UGA not apply to Kansas? They neither played for nor won their conference championship. Also, I don’t think the powers that be want a split championship. Which is part of the reason Georgia didn’t play Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl. They wanted to avoid a possible split national champion, IMO.

By Dean

January 4, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Kansas did not even win their conference title. How can they be National Champs? Most would argue that they should have played in the Cotton Bowl and Missouri in the Orange. Until we get a committee desiding who goes where instead of the bowls picking, there is going to be a controversy. Forget about the playoff, it will never happen.

By Mike T.

January 4, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Don’t get me wrong,* I don’t want a playoff since it would degrade the regular season* which is the one thing which makes college football better than the NFL.

Sorry no offense but this is This is stinking thinking. You will have to win in the regular season to make the playoffs.Football will not be like basketball where you will have a regular season champ and then a tourney champion.

Every sport in the world expect major college football has a playoff system.Its high time it had one too. Letting sportswriters, computers,university presidents,coaches polls and ESPN commentors decide who’s deserving is not the way to go.It should be done on the field.

By bb

January 4, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

The problem for Kansas is not that anyone thinks the Big12 was not a decent conference this year. It is that THEIR conference schedule was particularly weak since they only played one of the top 4 teams (besides themselves) in the conference, and lost that game. They didn’t have to play Oklahoma, Texas or Texas Tech. So all their conference wins came against the bottom 7 teams in their conference.

By Mike T.

January 4, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Even a playoff is flawed. Who will choose the top 8 or so teams?

Who goes in high school or the NFL?

Conference champions and wildcard teams based on win loss records or football related stats and not opinion polls,EPSN Favorites,computers rankings or sportswriters.It can work! DII AND DIII does it,and every other sport in the world.

By sj2000

January 4, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Tony are you smoking something?? They didn’t win their conference just like Georgia. They played one of the weakest schedules in America. If anyone has an argument it’s the dawgs. They won their last seven games in impressive fashion. They’re currently ranked 5th in the AP behind VT and OU who already lost. Why would Kansas jump UGA?? Kansas was throttled by Missouri and they beat an overrated VT team that got dismantled by LSU. You “so called experts” make me sick sometimes.

By ThaMan

January 4, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Dear Mutts- your coach doesn’t even want a playoff. You know it’s against the rules to go against Richt. Until he loses a game.

By BMR

January 4, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Fair or not fair for your team, it doesn’t really matter, because it is right. As an LSU fan, I will try and keep this as un-bias as possible. Georgia is an excellent team, however they did not beat south carolina or tennessee, meaning they did not make it to the sec championship to play LSU, which would have made for a great game and could have determined a true winner of the sec, but instead tennessee deservingly went, and LSU won therefore LSU deserves to be ahead of Georgia.

Ohio state, weak schedule or not, ended the season with a single loss in a major conference. As for right now not much to argue there, they deserve to be where they are.

After seeing USC win the rose bowl it is obvious that they are a great team, and would probably be a competitor to whomever they would play if they were to play again, however the reason we are where we are is due to the outcome of the regular season. Lets face it, as good as they may be “right now” doesn’t really matter “at all”. Loosing to a team like stanford anywhere in the season should not be acceptible for any team that wants to be considered a national champion. Add in another loss during the year and you should be thankful to be considered one of the top ten teams. Playing good right now means nothing, technically speakinig, I guess we should consider Pitt for the Co-champ because they are playing exceptional “right now”. After all they beat the #2 team in the nation in the last game they played in, this probably means that we should go ahead and forget that they lost 7 games this year, just like we should forget that USC lost to Stanford.

The fact is unless you can come up with a sound argument that LSU and Ohio state do not deserve to be playing for the national tittle (a sound arugment would not be that another team may also deserve to be there)then all of these arguments are pointless. Why play the regular season, and try to hold the #1 or #2 spot to get to play for the national tittle, if when you get there someone is just waiting there to take it back from you and split it two or three ways with people that think they have won it too.

We should just accecpt what has been put before us, and that is that two great teams that are rightfully ranked #1 and #2 willl be playing for a national championship and congradulate the winner for an excellent season. Just as USC should be congradulated for a great rose bowl victory, UGA a great Sugar bowl victory, and great victories to Kansas and Missouri and west virginia, but lets try not to forget what they were playing for, and it wasn’t the national title.

By Paul M

January 4, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

sure let’s ruin college sports.

Everyone play terrible non conference teams and then get considered for National Titles.

It’s ridiculous no BCS team should have any non conference opponent that isn’t a BCS team… that would take the horrible September matchups out of the loop and make this thing more realistic.

That, and the ACC should recind it’s BCS conference status for a year or two…my gosh they are terrible 1-8

By Jim

January 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Remember this oldie but goody from September: LSU 47-VT 7 ?

Tech was obviously over-rated and neither they nor Kansas would belong in the six to eight teams that SHOULD be playing in a playoff. This year, with this crummy system, it is either LSU or OSU.

Geaux Tigers! :)

By Dawgcrzy

January 4, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

High School has a playoff as does DivIII,DivII, Div1A and the NFL.It’s happening below us and above us,and it doese’nt make sense.We all love major college football,so is there any way we could do anything about this?We can’t boycott games or TV,it’s in our blood.So, what is it going to take to change this? Maybe Tony can answer this,maybe not.Maybe we can get Bush to step in like he does with the airlines! Us DAWGS have just as much of a legitimate gripe as anyone else to be in the NC game. I was just kidding about Bush,I meant Hillary!!

By Dave In Tampa

January 4, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

I have to agree with you folks talking about how bad Fox has been. Where on earth did they dig up these announcers up from. I thought they have been pretty pathetic. Maybe the rights FOX has on College Football games should be revoked.

Bring back Keith Jackson!

Wow, you know if Kansas leap frogs over UGA, would not surprise me, the crap will hit the fan. UGA does not deserve any part of a #1 ranking or Kansas. We lost that right losing to South Carolina. Kansas has no right because they have played a weak schedule.

The pollsters love Southern Cal. so watch out for them making the biggest move forward.

By KU Fan

January 4, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Should Kansas share the national championship?

Heck Yes! Whoever wins the Orange Bowl, and has the best record of all the other teams who played in the BSC bowl games at the end of the season, deserves to share the title.

Bring on the Final 4!

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK! Baby

By AltamahaDawg

January 4, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Gen, I don’t think anyone was discrediting the head-to-head tie breaker and thus TN representing the East in the SECCG. I think any football fan would recognize that as a fair and first tiebreaker. His point was that is a rule established by conference participants, to determine who would play in a game that was created, and has nothing to do with a BSC system. For that matter, the pure existance of the SEC conference has no direct bearing with the BSC system of selecting the most highest rated teams at the end of the year. Tommorrow the SEC could decide to awards its title anyway it chooses and nothing about the BCS rules would change, or apply.

By FLA DAWG

January 4, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Answer: Playoff System.

By FanMan

January 4, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

To aarh

You cannot be serious bysaying UGA won their division but did not get into the SEC title game because of a tiebreaker. Sorry, whomever you are, but tiebreakers are part of determing who wins and loses. With your kind of logical thinking how do you get thru everyday life?

By FanMan

January 4, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

To ck

You are 100% correct, that is why UGA went to the Sugar Bowl and not the BCS title game. Had UGA lost in the conference title game then UGA might be in the big show. The point is, they did not even get to the title game of their own conference. I just love it when the logic is replaced by emotion. Regardless, I am happy as my team won their bowl game.

By Dave In Tampa

January 4, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

KU Fan:

You crack me up. Smoke em if you got em my friend. I know a handful of SEC Teams that would smoke your team. They had a geat year, I’ll give you that, but they are not a top 5 team.

By supa

January 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Even though we all know the BCS totally screwed up this season, it at least succeeded in getting more people engaged in conversations about college football. I’d imagine the TV ratings were also up this year.

Controversy = More attention.

I’m tired of the mathematics of championship inflation. If you add up all the teams that claim national championships since the beginning of college football, it would up to over 200! We certainly have not been playing college football for 200 years.

Take the University of Michigan for example, their website claims they have won 11 National Championships. But only ONE out of the 11 was unanimous. Most of their claimed National Championships came in an era where there were routinely 2-5 champions crowned every year, depending on which polls you looked at.

It’s all well documented in the NCAA official statistics on their website.

By Chris

January 4, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

You are so incorrect it hurts. No matter who wins the BCS game on Monday, UGA and Kansas are out. If you didn’t win your conference you have no chance to win the national title. The only other teams that could even raise their hands, (besides OSU and LSU) would be USC or WVU. They both won their conferences. But the AP and the computer polls spoke for us all when they put OSU and LSU in the title game. On Monday night the true national champs (the Buckeyes) will be crowned, quit crying and win more games.

By reality check

January 4, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Without a playoff one subjective opinion is as bogus as the next.

All these arguments are meaningless. Division 1 college football is unique in team sports in not having a credible way to determine a champion. Even figure skating and other sports that rely on subjective opinion have more credibility than the mess created by the bowls, television, and college presidents.

By monty

January 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

What is the intent of the BCS in finding a National Champion? Is it to crown the team with the best record? then LSU can’t win because other teams had only one loss,is it to only crown conference champs who play each other? then you have to throw out their records. Could it possibly be to play the best two teams at the end of the season,as long as there isn’t a big discrepancy in records there? If you do that you would very much have liked to seen GA play USC, right? Ga won it’s last 7 games I believe, did any other team do better? just asking.

By GT80

January 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

For anyone thinking we will ever get a playoff in D1 (oh excuse me, the Bowl division) go read Stewart Mandel’s article in CNNSi. It aint happening. And in fact, it doesn’t sound like there is anyting other than a very slim chance at a plus one game.

And if the Rose Bowl had their way we would scrap the BCS altogether and go back to the conference tie-ins as they used to be.

and Lee, the ratings for the BCS games so far have been the lowest in years. But FOX doesn’t care becasue they sold all of the ad spots and they will convince the sponsors to pay again next year.

By JD

January 4, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Kansas played too weak of a schedule. I said before the game that Virginia Tech was over-rated. The ACC was very weak. Of course, Ohio State played a weak schedule also. They should not be in the BCS Championship game. Does strength of schedule even count anymore?

By 01' DAWG

January 4, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Question is…When you turn on your car, does it return the favor? That’s what I want to know. Can someone answer this and get me something crunchy……?

By shane #1

January 4, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

tony,you got me for a second,untill i got the joke.calm down lsu fans,this was no put-down of the tigers,it was a put-down of the bcs.does uga have a right to complain about not being in the ncg,not really.the complaint should be about having to play a team that could not compete.uh has a good program,but is not a bcs school.why not pick missouri?that had the possibility of being a good game at least.i spent a lot of money to go to no and had a large time,but this game lasted too long and had the most boring second half i have had the displeasure to sit through.at least the third string and the walk-ons had a chance to play.good luck blake where ever you go,you are a class act and a hard worker.thank you for your loyalty to the dogs for all those years.geaux tigers,bring anothe title to the sec and show the world how much better we are than the big 11.

By Braves Fan 79

January 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

TDone: WHAT? a sport that dosent even produce a REAL champion year after year is better than a sport where u actually have to EARN a title!??

College Football is about as relevent as figure skating, or the WNBA… And dont tell me every regular season game is meaningfully when some teams schedule cupcakes week in and week out! Yeah that game against mighty powerful youngstown state was REALLY meaningfull wasnt it!

By Tigers03

January 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

What if LSU stomps Ohio State like GA stomped on Hawaii? Don’t laugh b/c it is very possible. We have the same team as we did when we beat VT by 41 points playing Monday.

By Eric1

January 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

National Championship teams DO NOT have TWO losses. Kansas deserves it every bit as much as LSWHO or Ohia State Browneyes. LSU should have been in the Cotton Bowl.

By steve

January 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

What? You mean you don’t have to win your conference championship to win the MNC???? Do the rules change every week depending on who wins and loses?

By Paul D

January 4, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

There is no official national champion. How do I know that? The NCAA does not give out a trophy for it.

You know? Those tall wooden plaques with the bronze sport and NCAA logos on them? The ones they give out in every sport but Division I-A football? Yes. That one.

By MannyT

January 4, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Nope

I’m in the you should not win it all if you cannot win your conference camp. Heck, Missouri only lost to one team and they beat Kansas. I’d put them up before the Jayhawks.

By jonnye

January 4, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Anyone who really believes the best team in the country will come out of the game next Monday didn’t watch the Rose or Sugar bowls. Without a doubt, LSU will bury Ohio State, but wouldn’t hold a candle to either USC or GA. The Rose Bowl could have staged a “true” NC game, but chose to stick with tradition by choosing a 2nd tiered Illinois team. Come early Tuesday morning, LSU will claim the NC for the 2007 season, but no one other than LSU really believes they are the best team in the country.

By jonnye

January 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Anyone who really believes the best team in the country will come out of the game next Monday didn’t watch the Rose or Sugar bowls. Without a doubt, LSU will bury Ohio State, but wouldn’t hold a candle to either USC or GA. The Rose Bowl could have staged a “true” NC game, but chose to stick with tradition by choosing a 2nd tiered Illinois team. Come early Tuesday morning, LSU will claim the NC for the 2007 season, but no one other than LSU really believes they are the best team in the country.

By george

January 4, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Fred Dog, UT didn’t prove sht against Georgia. Even with that 21 point win, the Vols were 61 points worse than Georgia counting that game and five other common opponents. What do you have to say about a 39 point loss to a Florida team that Georgia beat by 12? Bottom line, Tennessee just happened to win the head to head, and played like sht in many others. Both were 6-2 in the SEC. Prior to the bowls, Georgia was 10-2, Tennessee 9-4. NOW THE DAWGS ARE 11-2, TENNESSEE 9-5. You tell me who played better against common opponents and finished best overall. That’s a “no brainer” that even a Vol fan should be able to figure out.

By Lex Luthor

January 4, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

BCS = popularity contest

Just like the old system. You have to have two to three good years in a row to even be considered a National Champ.

Go to a short 4 game playoff!

By FanMan

January 4, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

TO: 01’ Dawg

Great post about that crunchy stuff. Love the humor.

By JTC

January 4, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

@1990 Natl Champs Funny you rail on UGA fans for pointing to a NC 28 years ago, but your handle is 1990 Natl Champs! 2008 minus 1990 is 18 years….a long time ago just like 28 years is genius. BTW, I am a UGA fan, but if I were a betting man I’d take the field over any one team for the NC any day of the week. Anybody in their right mind would. Look at USC this year. Consensus #1 at the beginning of the season, but won’t be at the end. As to not winning the conference, all other pro sports crown a champion based on who is playing the best at the end of the year (i.e. a wild card winning the Super Bowl or World Series), why can’t college football follow suit?

By sobedawg

January 4, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Don’t really care about Kansas…Why aren’t more people (on the AJC) not discussing the comments made by Mel Kiper today? “Only Brandon Coutu could start for USC”…Please discuss, folks…Cheers! Dr. SobeDawg

By BirdDawg

January 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Why Tony would a school that could not win its own conf. get 1st. Was not that the reason the dawgs played a week early

By David

January 4, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

No. Same reason Georgia didn’t get considered for the championship. They didn’t win their conference. Sorry. Next.

By TheItalianDawg

January 4, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Blah. Blah, Blah…Virginia tech is not a good team to begin with, their offense sucks based totally on tricks and special teams. Kansas played one good team (Missuri) and got spanked, gimme a break.. and how in the world you consider Arkansas as a reference point. Arkansas is a mediocre team at best with no coach, unranked SEC team matched with top 10 big 12 team. Tony, your point is irrelative

By Top Dawg

January 4, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

**Actually, TB, you are mistaken. There are actually three rankings: the BCS, the AP and MINE. Guess what? UGA is the favorite to win mine. Me having one is just as valid as the corrupt BCS “champion” or a bunch of sportswriters. I have watched the bowls, the bowl specials, and I know more about football than most of the clowns on ESPN and FOX.

As for Kansa, I am sorry to say that I watched the Orange Bowl last night. UGA would mop-up against UK. Reesing would not stand a chance against that Junkyard Dawg defense. So, if you are thinking that there will be a co-champion between the AP & BCS this year, that AP champion better be UGA.

By TabascoMiller

January 4, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

The BCS Goofies are trying to imitate the Final 4 format; it ain’t gonna’ happen in Kansas “Dear Dorothy Kramer”! Either Virginia or The USC Trojans or Georgia Dawgs could beat the wickless candle LSU katz with out any doubts or problems: Get a grip on reality BCS computer geeks; your system really stinks bigg time.

By TheItalianDawg

January 4, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Blah. Blah, Blah…Virginia tech is not a good team to begin with, their offense sucks based totally on tricks and special teams. Kansas played one good team (Missuri) and got spanked, gimme a break.. and how in the world you consider Arkansas as a reference point. Arkansas is a mediocre team at best with no coach, unranked SEC team matched with top 10 big 12 team. Tony, your point is irrelative

By jhawker

January 4, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

I think many of you miss Tony’s greater point. I don’t think he is really he really thinks that Kansas is the best team in America. I think he is suggesting that the writer select KU to MOCK the BCS. He is saying the two teams they selected for the title game will have more or less the same claim to the national title as Kansas does. Those of you who pointed out that there are other teams with a better case are making the same point

By Rod

January 4, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

I was thinkking USC or UGA, but I hope the AP gives the NC to anyone as long as their not in the BCS Championship game because there are 3 other teams just as deserving as those two. The year LSU and USC split the title USC was the one get the most recognition as the champ. USC was on that Times National Champion collectors thing that they do every year and sports commentaters were calling them National Champions. AP should vote someone else the champ. I would hope it would be UGA but just do some other team because its a voting weather its BCS or AP.

By REAL MEN

January 4, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

OK enough with the crying!!!! Be Men like Auburn. When they got screwed after a 12 and 0 they took it like MEN and went on, all the leghumppers can do is cry cry and CRY.. and they are still crying like a bunch of babies. Win your games win your conf and then you can cry other wise shut the hell up. LSU smoked you twice in 2003. uga is still licking thier tails after that WHIPPING in their own back yard. Ole Miss will win a NC before uga will. If your coach would teach you how to act like MEN instead of boys it would be over. You were not the best in the SEC and beat a poor team in the bowl game that Tech could have beat. Just be thankful you didn’t play USC because they would have beat the hell out of you. What wonder boy rich needs to do is start acting like a coach instead of a player and maybe uga would have won more games. He needs to prepare his BOYS for next year because uga will NOT win as many games as they did this year. And the crying will start all over again. rich needs to call a real coach (Tommy) and find out how to turn boys(Thugs) into Men.

WAR EAGLE

By Rod

January 4, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

This is the best article I have read all year. Tony Barnhart, this is the kinda of stuff you and all the AP voters must do to fix this system and at least get the best match ups. USC vs UGA and so on. AP voters please vote a second champion. You can give it to USC, UGA or Kansas but action must be taken! These 3 teams deserve it just as much as LSU and Ohio st.

By AP

January 4, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

no, UGA should be awarded the AP National Championship, not Kansas.

By 2008 dogs patsy

January 4, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

first game, UGAg (Statesboro)

ps; they are laughing at you, not with you!

By Rod

January 4, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

jhawker from 4:41 post. I got Ton nys point and thanks for explaining his point for some of those that didnt get it. I actually posed that question to Tony in the discuss section of Tonys column yesterday hoping he would write somthing about going up against the BCS to get this thing fixed.

By AltamahaDawg

January 4, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

oh, I dont think anyone is going to laugh at that 2008 schedule, care to compare it to ANYONE in the nation?

By AltamahaDawg

January 4, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

OH MY WORD..we heard about that 2004 Auburn situation for the next 3 years, still bringing it up appearantly are you. I’ve read about that at least 50 times on the AJC blog THIS year.

The problem is that with all the moaning (rightfully so) AU did, they didn’t back it up in the following years to take advantage of the “you owe us”.

By AltamahaDawg

January 4, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Top Dawg, you are exactly right.

By SugarDawg

January 4, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Tony, are you high? Read your lips….”Yeah, the Jayhawks played a very weak non-conference schedule (Central Michigan, SE Louisiana, Toledo, Florida International) and didn’t have to play Texas or Oklahoma during the Big 12 season”. You must be stirring the wrong “pot”.

By SugarDawg

January 4, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

Tony, are you high? Read your lips….”Yeah, the Jayhawks played a very weak non-conference schedule (Central Michigan, SE Louisiana, Toledo, Florida International) and didn’t have to play Texas or Oklahoma during the Big 12 season”. You must be stirring the wrong “pot”.

By sobedawg

January 4, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Anybody hear what Mel Kiper said today about the Dawgs?…in comparison to USC?…Google it…Dr. SobeDawg

By craig

January 4, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!!!! As much as I hate OSU I still know that Kansas is a middle of the pack team in most leagues. I guess Oklahoma’s performance and the fact Virginia Tech played as if on drugs should be forgotten???? A joke of a column from someone I usually respect greatly.

By oldtimer

January 4, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

dawg fans seem to think playing best in the last game should decide. That would be WVA or Mizzou as much as UGA (and I’m a sooner). Forget a playoff and forget the BSC championship. Go back to the old format and keep up the arguments. NCAA football is unique in not having a playoff and having split champions crowned. That is a great thing. How about doing away with OT as well.

By FiretheBCS.com

January 4, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

How about this for the NCAA golf championship: Let the SEC schools play matches against each other at local courses. Let the season last about three months. The Big 12, Big 10, et al can do the same thing within their conferences. Then, at the end of the year, we can let some writers and computers decide which two schools should compete for the national championship. If some mid-major school has great numbers at a bunch of easy courses, they must also be considered. There will be no criteria to judge course difficulty, weather conditions, injuries, improvement during the season, strength of competition, etc. All of these factors will be based on personal whims.

Then, and only then, could we would have an NCAA golf champion that is as deserving as the NCAA football champion.

By KCTiger

January 4, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

The AP writers had every opportunity to vote whomever they wished in the season ending rankings….guess what?? They voted Ohio State #1 and LSU #2. It appears unambigous that if one beats the other, that team is national champion. KU is more notable for who they didn’t play than who they did. LSU and KU had a common opponent..Virginia Tech. KU hung on to win by 3…LSU destroyed them by 41. Remember, at the margin, that’s why you voted them #2. Please, stick to reporting the news, not trying to manufacture it!

By Ed

January 4, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22477916/

Here’s a link to a great article about the illegitimacy of the “national champion” that emerges from the LSU-Ohio State team.

My personal opinion is that, at best, LSU and Ohio State should be playing to determine which one belongs in the top 5 in the final poll. The loser doesn’t even belong in the top 10. No one who observed SEC football beginning in October can truly think that LSU is the best team in the land, and Ohio State lost to one of the few decent teams it played.

By Dr Morpheus

January 4, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

The question is not whether a playoff would be the perfect system- it’s whether it would be a better system. Sure, there would be arguments about who should be in, but at least the winner would have beaten the survivor of the other bracket. Tell me that would not be better than what we have. But, as Dr. Soileau pointed out, it’s not about a good system, it’s about the money for certain folks with vested interests. Isn’t that what it always boils down to?

By Richard

January 4, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Georgia could not be in the National Championship game because they did not win their conference. Now you are suggesting that Kansas be National Champion if LSU beats Ohio St? What conference is Kansas in? And who won that conference and what happened to them? Oklawho? Why doesn’t the media reward the team who beat the most Bowl bound teams?

By Dr Morpheus

January 4, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

BTW, I am a Dawg living on the bayou (in Baton Rouge). I went to the LSU-Arkansas game, the SEC championship game, and the Sugar Bowl (those spinning logos on the scoreboards are still flashing through my brain). No question LSU is the right team in the BCS NC game. The other had to be Ohio State, because that’s the way it worked out. Ohio State is not as good as UGA, West Virginia on a good night, or several others, but they get the honor of having their butts kicked by LSU. The game should be closer than last year but LSU has a killer D with everyone healthy. Both teams want to prove something, but LSU is the better team.

By Richard

January 4, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

Between USC and Georgia for National Championship. And didn’t Georgia lose to two teams that at least qualified to play in bowls. Granted South Carolina was not invited. Can’t say the same for USC. Kansas and Ohio St. schedules were just to weak and they lost late in the season.

By The Old Pitbull

January 4, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Tell The Truth hit the nail on the head about the BCS division. Notice that almost every bowl had 1 team from it’s geographic area in the game to sell tickets. It is not about matchups, it is about selling the tickets and the financial impact the bowl game has on the community. That is all. That is why the NCAA does not recognize a NCAA BCS level national champion.

Now think about the Div 1AA NCAA football national championship series. It is not played in neutral site bowls. It is played in the stadium of one of the two teams. It is done to ensure ticket sales and revenue instead of empty seats.

If you want a Div 1A NCAA national football champion, the bowls will have to go away and the teams will have to play at the stadium of one of the teams in the game to sell the tickets. Otherwise the playoff games will be in front of half full stadiums at best and schools and bowls will both lose money.

The best example of this is the ACC championship game with only 1 ACC school within reasonable driving range of Jacksonville, FL (FSU). Everyone else has to fly or make a horrendous drive. The ACC champion fans (other than Miami) have to fly to the game or again make a horrendous drive. Whoever goes to the Emerald Bowl or the Humanitarian Bowl from the ACC takes almost nobody. That is why there is a Utah or a Fresno State from the WAC in the game.

It is an ugly truth, but it needs to be recognized and acknowledged aby all of the frustrated posters on this site.

By Geaux Tigers

January 4, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

Anthony, Anthony, Anthony: Allow me to attempt to put this on a level that even you can understand. Just ask Virgina Tech, who played both LSU and Kansas, who is the better team. Case closed.

* LSU 47 Va Tech 7*

By Ed

January 4, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

The “they didn’t win their conference” argument is bogus anyway. Kansas went 7-1 in the Big XII, tied with Missouri for the best regular season record. They lost the head-to-head tiebreaker in that division. The eventual “champion” was Oklahoma, which finished the regular season with only the third best conference record at 6-2.

In the SEC, LSU, Tennessee and Georgia had identical 6-2 marks atop the conference(Georgia and LSU shared the best overall record at 10-2). Only two can play in the SECC game, so Georgia happened to be the odd-man out because of the head-to-head with Tennessee. But no other SEC school, including LSU, bested Georgia’s 10-2 overall, 6-2 SEC regular season record.

Georgia beat one of the two teams that beat LSU (and didn’t play the other) and LSU beat both teams that beat Georgia, but Georgia beat common opponents Florida and Auburn much more convincingly than did LSU. Both played Alabama about the same on the road, winning squeakers.

There’s simply no objective way to say that LSU is more deserving than Georgia, USC, Kansas, West Virginia, or even Hawaii (pre-Sugar Bowl that is), but LSU was a highly ranked media darling all year, so they are getting their third shot to prove they are no. 1. Ohio State is the beneficiary of being a pretty good team in a very weak Big 10 this year. I think OSU and LSU are about even and either could win, but no way the winner of that game is the best in the land.

By boots

January 4, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Does Strength of Schedule Matter?

UGA’s argument for being considered as a #2 finisher in this year’s poll is based largely upon its finish down the stretch against quality opponents. It played 7 bowl eligable teams (more than anyone and beating 6 of them), 6 ranked teams (more than anyone) and out-scored it last six opponents (including a #10, #11, #18 and #23 team) 227 to 124. In the bowl game, it played the #10 team, winning by 31 points.

In spite of all of this, we hear how Kansas and USC should leap over UGA to share a crown with the winner of the NC game. A Kansas team that played 3 ranked teams, losing one of those, with a combined score of 90 to 73. Their regular season opponents went a combined 64-85 in (for the most part) REALLY weak conferences.

BUT they get plugged for a NC.

Same can be said of Ohio State - only they managed to play 4 ranked teams but none higher than #21 and the four teams had a combined record of 29 - 17. (Georgia’s ranked opponents had a combined record of 44 - 20.)

Yet, they coast in to the NC game.

Hawaii plays NOONE (except GA who wins by a conservative 31 points) and skates in to the BCS.

So, with UGA’s schedule stacked next year with 2 recent national champions, 8 teams ranked in top 20 in 2007, and 3 in the top 10, why should one play a tough schedule??? What benefit is it? I’m not seeing any benefit other than a pat on the back from some ESPN analyst who then turns around and smacks you around.

By Dawg Pound

January 4, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

If LSU (2) beats OSU(1), then 1,3(VT), and 4(OU) have lost their bowl games. It would make sense that 2 would be 1, 5(UGA) would be 2, 6 (MO) would be 3 and 7(USC would be 4.

Lest we forget ESPN and their cronies…IF LSU wins then they are 1, USC is 2, OSU is 3, MO is 4, WV ends up 5 and UGA ends up 6 at best.

With friends like ESPN UGA needs no enemies. Thanks Kirk and his goons like Jesse Palmer.

By MatthewPetre

January 4, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

Seems to me that everyone making negative comments about KU is forgetting something key about the MIZZOU/KU game. Kansas would have been tied at the end of that game if not for a couple of short, missed field goals. Kickers suck :) j/k

Seriously though, Georgia and KU would be a close match, as would any of those top 4 (for now) In the end it will be LSU, KU, GA, then Ohio St. But Kansas does deserve a share of the National Title as does Georgia probably (too bad they had to play a weak BCS bowl schedule, sorry Hawaii.)

By War Eagle

January 4, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

If Ohio State loses to LSU they will be #2,LSU loses #5.

By Tom Trojan

January 4, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

Mel Kiper said only Brandon Coutu could make USC’s starting team? Who in the hell is Brandon Coutu and what do he play? How in the hell did coach Carroll miss him? We have a Ga. Man we really love, Kyle Moore, DE from Kathleen, Ga. Word is another Georgia Man would love to come to USC! Come on, we love great players. Come to mention it Keith Rivers, All American outside linebacker is from Jacksonville, Fla. So, we love Ga. and Florida!

By War Eagle

January 4, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

Change of pace, Auburn is losing DC Will Muschamp to Texas, same deal Jimbo Fisher at FSU received.

By shane #1

January 4, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

dr morpheus,how did you enjoy the repeated allstate ads at the game?the endless tv timeouts,the ridiculous amount of time the officials took to revue calls,and the ticky-tac fouls called in the last half of a blow out all robbed most of the joy from a great dawg win.anyone who doubts the bcs is all about money should sit through just one of these bowl games.

By Allen

January 4, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Kansas didn’t even win their conference….how can they win the MNC???

Has that not been the AP argument of late?

By FLA DAWG

January 4, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

WAR EAGLE,

Are you sure about Muschamp going to Texas? I am sure they could use him - just hate to see him leave the SEC. Is he going as DC?

By Dr Morpheus

January 4, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

Shane #1- it was bizarre. Tiger Stadium and the Georgia Dome were great venues. The Sugar Bowl was horrendous. I truly believe that both offenses were adversely affected by having to stand around for five minutes doing nothing every three or four plays. Zero continuity. Was it Fox Sports, Allstate, or the Sugar Bowl production staff? I don’t know but it really took the fun out of it.

By TX Dawg

January 4, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Tony - normally I think you’re pretty good, but Kansas? Really? Because they have only one loss? Against one of the only 2 decent teams they played all year?

Did you forget about Hawaii?

They only have one loss too.

Don’t drink so much Tony…

By MisterT

January 4, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

AltamahawDawg, quaildawg, biatchgawg…whatever the dawg you are….

I tell you it is sarcasm because I am making fun of the intellect or lack there of of the dawgnation. You are generally a bunch of toothless, inbred rednecks that think a family reunion is a good place to pick up chicks…or your QB spooning your back up QB is a fun way to spend the afternoon. That is sort of ironic…the Starter “backing up” the back up?

ironic - humorously sarcastic or mocking

:-)

By Dean

January 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

Go Jayhawks, you all can say what ever you want about there schedule, this is a team that went from nowhere to being on the national stage. They must be respected for there achievements. It is a stretch to evan consider KU as co-champ, you must win Confrenece to be considered for this title,that is something you cannot over look. The schedule thing, there are plenty of teams who have soft schedules.But you all must admit one thing. Mangino, aint he pretty.

By War Eagle

January 4, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

FLADAWG,,CWM sign seal and gone to Texas,$500,000, plus some serious perks, hope we can hire Coach Tenuta. We have 73 of 85 returning off the roster, lost both DC and OC. Happens every 2-4 years. CTT is a good personnel coach, he hires very good.

By chieffan58

January 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

To say, no to even think that Kansas should win the national championship is one of the dummbest things I’ve heard this year or last. I agree with Allen who said, KS didn’t even win their conference, why in the world would anyone think they deserve to be the national champs JUST because they only lost one game??? Everyone except KS fans seemed to agree that MU should have played in the Orange Bowl. They beat KS and they had a higher ranking. Of course, it’s all about the $$$$$ I know. Actually I’m glad (now) that MU ended up in the Cotton Bowl, because it’s a better recruiting area and besides that it was closer for the fans and maybe created another border war. But, regardless, KU, in no way deserves to be national champs. If that happens, it’s enough to make a college football fan quit watching. GO TIGERS!!! (LSU, this time)

By Dr Morpheus

January 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

New topic: Who is the SEC Coach of the Year? A. CMR B. Sylvester Croom C. Les Miles?

Three great jobs from the hottest coaches in the conference.

Worst SEC coaching job? You name the candidates.

By Dawg Pound

January 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

Morpheus

CMR or SC. Take your pick. They both did a great job this year.

Worst job…Ogeron and he is gone. Closely followed SOS. I thought SOS said they would compete for the east…they didn’t even make a bowl.

By Jon

January 4, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

VT is average. when is the last time Beamer won a big game?? I guess he did beat Miami when they were good in 03’. anyway, why this collective national media love fest with “Beamerball” and his average team. They just got beat by KANSAS! In FOOTBALL!

By Jon

January 4, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

Where did misterT pick up those jokes? Roy D. Mercer, I presume? on tape no less.

By michaelgee

January 4, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

Dawgs do NOT deserve to be National Champs in the same year they got BEAT DOWN by South Carolina and THE Vols.

You dawg fans are rediculous to think everybody should let you be NC’s when you can’t even win your conference championship.

BEAT all of your opponents and then MAYBE you can be Champs. Just one more NC and you guys will be even with the bugs.

By D Gelbart

January 4, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

Kansas sharing the national championship?

LOL! By the way the BCS BS is going with three blowouts and one close win in the Fedex Orange Bowl for Kansas is showing that the BCS is silly. They will probably drop Georgia again even with their strong showing in the Sugar Bowl because they will be saying stuff like this on ESPN if LSU wins… Georgia doesn’t deserve a split title! USC should claim a share! Georgia beat a overrated WAC team! Kansas deserves No. 3 ranking!
Missouri deserves to move up after killing Arkansas from the SEC 38-7!

The final polls will most likely look like this if LSU wins: 1. LSU 2. USC 3. Kansas 4. West Virgina 5. Missouri 6. Ohio State 7. Georgia 8. I sure hope they don’t do that! If it does happen it proves the BCS needs to be fixed!

By AltamahaDawg

January 4, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

I would say the irony is that you propose to be so clever and yet, feel the need to explain to us that you are. “No really, I am.”

By True Dawg

January 4, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Yes, GA was beaten by SC and Tennessee and almost lost to Vandy. Every team goes through a rough period and it was GA’s turn. Everybody talks about how great Florida is and Auburn and Georgia Tech, etc. but GA beat them, didn’t they? The Dawgs did pretty poorly in the beginning but they got better as the season went on and grabbed one of the top spots in the rankings. I believe they could beat anyone now and they are going to be great this next year! I can’t wait! Gooooo Dawgs!

By Buddy El

January 4, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Tony: Did you compose this idiotic piece while clinging to a barstool in New Orleans? Apparently you didn’t watch the Sugar Bowl. The only team I saw this bowl season(I watched them all) that I am not confident UGA could take is USC and I believe they could handle USC.

By SugarHillDawg

January 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

To ALL you HATERS out there! Georgia just loses 6 players on BOTH offense and defense this year and we redshirted a BOAT LOAD of studs! Mark Richt is gonna make Vince Dooley look like a PIKER! Go DAWGS!!!

By mike12

January 4, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Whats the debate? kansas didnt win its conference and barely beat VT. Theyre not sharing anything with anyone cept a BCS bowl title. Check out the sports pages and see how little they are writing about that game. And as far as you other moron so called sports followers go, go check out cbssports.com, the sportingnews.com, cnn.com, and espn.com……..they are all about UGA and its win. These are the voters, not you amateurs. Even Tressel from OSU was extolling the UGA win. The voters will set the poll standings and UGA will be in the top 3. If LSU wins, it goes: 1 LSU 2. USC (west coast voters love USC) 3. UGA 4. WVU 5. Kansas (won, but not impressively)

take it to the bank, u freaks.

By michaelgee

January 4, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

True Dawg, National Champs play for the whole season, not just the last half.

Better luck next year!

By Common Sense

January 4, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

NICE ARTICLE TONY. YOU GOT PEOPLE “ROWWED” UP AND YOU’LL LOOK BETTER FOR DOING SO…..

By Denver Dog

January 4, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

Who cares, until the thing is won on the field, the real winner will be who gets elected. They can say this computer or that stat, but until it is solved on the field. There she is Miss America. We can all sing that song. It is just a beauty contest between the media selections.

By Gen Neyland

January 4, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

George

( RE: Your 1611 post ) Do you count partially punched chads in your spare time..? Recheck W’s/L’s for the Vols at seasons end…10-4 isn’t as good as 11-2, but, tell me again how UGA shined against Vandy… Atop Rocky, we call it a win, George…It’s Good To Be A Tennessee Vol.

By picketts charge

January 5, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

How could Kansas be considered for the National Championship? As it was repeatedly pointed out by coutless writers and pundits, after WVU and MIZZ lost, Georgia (And Kansas) did not win their conference and should not be considered for the championship (Even though its no where in the rules). Crowning Kansas Champion would be a slap in the face of either LSU or OU who actually had to play several decent teams and win their conference to be considered. Maybe we should crown Hawaii too. Yeah, they lost their last game, but they only have one loss. Go Dawgs! Go LSU! Go SEC!

By AthensEd.

January 5, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

Actually there is NOTHING okay about a split national championship or any tie in sports for that matter. The true athlete would rather lose than tie, and the one good thing about the BCS is that it was designed for the sole purpose of crowning ONE champion. ONE!!! LSU won it in 2003. Michigan won it in 1997. Colorado won it in 1990.

And for the record, Colt Brennan just got sacked again by Marcus Howard. GO DAWGS!!!

By Thew7

January 5, 2008 1:24 AM | Link to this

No team deserves to be National Champs without winning there conference and they should put that in writing before next year. I love UGA but, It just doesn’t make sense when you don’t win your conference. Every BCS conference champion deserves a shot along with 1 at large team each year. Six teams would take up only 5 bowls with the top 2 getting a bye the first round. The first round (2 games)could be played the Saturday before Christmas with the second round (2games) on New Years Day. The Championship game can be played a week later at a rotating site just as we do now. This would great for the fans and the schools. It would bring in more money and a great deal more excitment. On GA chances next year, there is no way our Dawgs go undefeated with that toughest in the country schedule next year. They should compete for the SEC title but there will be at least 1 loss which will keep them out again. 4 or 5 of the top 10 teams in the pre-season polls will have JV schedules once again and we will miss another oppertunity. College footbal is becoming more like the NFL in that most teams can win or lose on any given Saturday. The only way to win it all is to have a weak schedule. OSU has made it to the title game once again and they will be beaten badly by a team that would probably be the 3rd or 4th best in the SEC at season’s end. The SEC needs to start playing only the teams in there side of the conference in the regular season and then the winner from the other side for the championship. That would be more than enough quality teams. Certainly equal or more than the teams in the other major conferences. Just a thought?

By Kristen

January 5, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this

One WINNER is all we need. There is just way too much talk about stuff that need not be discussed. Please go and spend sometime with your family.

The BCS National Championship will be here soon and the WINNER will be crowned. No ties..this isn’t elementary school where everyone is a winner so no one gets their feelings hurt!

By Kristen

January 5, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this

One WINNER is all we need. There is just way too much talk about stuff that need not be discussed. Please go and spend sometime with your family.

The BCS National Championship will be here soon and the WINNER will be crowned. No ties..this isn’t elementary school where everyone is a winner so no one gets their feelings hurt!

By NoBCSin97

January 5, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

Michigan hid from Nebraska in the Rose Bowl.

By OneWINNERWouldBeFine...

January 5, 2008 1:52 AM | Link to this

If everything was settled on the field. There is no winner the participants are picked by a bunch of baseball sportswriters who vote for the teams Kirk Herbfumble tells them to.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 5, 2008 7:03 AM | Link to this

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I do not know what this junk is about LSU could not have played Ohio State before the BS BCS, but I can guarantee you this Tony Blowhardt and that is that Georgia beats the living daylights out of your Kansas patsy. Don’t forget that Georgia beat Virginia Tech in 2007 too. I was there.

You do NOT have a vote in the AP Poll Tony Blowhardt, so don’t make it sound like you do. You don’t.

You can tell your buddy Terrence Moore too for that Georgia does deserve the chance to play 2-loss LSU, 2-loss Southern California, or Monday 2-loss Ohio State. And, you can tell him that not your precious Kansas, but Georgia is Number 2 in the Final AP Poll you seem to want to discuss today like you have a say in it.

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By beakem

January 5, 2008 7:14 AM | Link to this

You Georgia fans crack me up. Don’t have the intelligence to recognize when someone is just trying to throw a wrench in a broken system for fun? No, KU will not be a co-champion, so keep your panties on, Georgia is not going to be passed over by KU. I do find the bias against the ‘Hawks amusing though, because they haven’t had a glorious past. Their schedule wasn’t strong, but they played in a BCS conference and lost one game by 8 points to an agreed upon good MU team. Then went out of conference and beat the champion of another BCS conference. USC, Georgia, MU, WVU, OU all are good teams that had the same shot as every one else to be getting ready to play in Monday’s BCS game. But what happened? YOUR TEAMS LOST GAMES THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE YOU F’N IDIOTS!!! USC lost to Stanford, Geogia lost to SC, MU lost to Oklahoma TWICE, OU lost to Colorado, WVU lost to S. Florida AND Pitt. Kansas didn’t lose to ANY weaker teams, so regardless of divisions of conference titles, KU handled their weaker opponents much better than your teams did. Next year, if your teams take care of the business they should, then you won’t have anything to whine about!

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 5, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

Kansas did not win their Conference Championship, or even play in it, but according to Tony Blowhardt today Kansas should be AP Poll National Champions.

But, try remembering everyone that just 2 days ago Tony Blowhardt and ALL the AJ-C “sportswriters” everyone said that Georgia does NOT deserve to be playing 2-loss LSU or Monday 2-loss Ohio State or 2-loss Southern California.

Real Smart AJ-C “sportswriters.”

Georgia, because we did not win The SEC Championship, or even play in The SEC Championship Game, cannot play these other three 2-loss teams, but By God Above 2 days later Tony Blowhardt says that Kansas should be MNC.

Hey Tony ?

Kansas didn’t play in nor win the Big XII Championship Game dimwit. Did you forget that was CHOKElahoma ? You know who lost 4 consecutive BCS bowl games including last year to Boise State (who DJ Shockley had 6 TDs against himself) and this year was blown out by a coachless team who lost to Pittsburgh the game before this ?

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By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 5, 2008 7:33 AM | Link to this

I actually follow this sport. I listened to Rich Rodriquez say that if he had not lost to Pittsburgh their last game, he would not have listened to Michigan’s offer. He said it. I watched him say it. It was reported of that interview, that FOX did NOT ask him any tough questions. They certainly did. And, he certainly answered it. Rodriquez is a West Virginia home grown product. He has NO ties to Michigan. Who does Michigan have that fits his scheme anymore than Georgia Tech has for Paul Johnson’s ? No one.

beakem

Don’t have the intelligence to recognize when someone is just trying to throw a wrench in a broken system for fun?

Idiot. Tony Blowhardt clearly would VOTE for Kansas if he were part of the AP Poll, which he is NOT.

And, Kansas is NOT even in the discussion.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 5, 2008 7:36 AM | Link to this

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Tony Blowhardt is a tar heel state basketball fan, and that is ALL he ever has been.

Evidence ?

This article.

Try saying Georgia is No. 2 in the AP Poll Tony Blowhardt.

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By beakem

January 5, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

BuLLdawg, quit crying! He is poking fun at the BCS system and using KU as an example. You really take this story too seriously. Would you really feel better if he had written that Georgia maybe should get a vote for No. 1 in the final AP? You clearly have no respect for him, so why are you so worked up about it?

By beakem

January 5, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Bulldawg, read it slower this time… he is using KU as an example to contradict a broken BCS system. Read it twice if you need to and maybe you will eventually understand. Before you call someone else an idiot, open your mind up enough to see the bigger picture. It is not an article about how KU deserves to be the NC over Georgia or even that they should be the NC over anyone. Believe it or not, some writer’s think beyond your apparently limited scope. And besides, if you have such little respect for the man, then why do you care so much about what he says, even if you are not understanding his point?

By Dagger

January 5, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

I’m a Jayhawk, and no we should not be NC’s. You should win your conference first to be considered.

Along those lines, all that is needed to have a true champion within the current bowl system is one more week of semi-final games. The 6 BCS conference champions and the 2 highest computer ranked (unbiased?) non-champion teams play in the OB, SB, FB, RB. The next week would be semis, and a true champion would be crowned 2 weeks later.

By Robby

January 5, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

I love it!

I view each BCS game winner as a national champion of sorts…in looking back through the ages if a team won a big 4 bowl…they were good enough to be national champs but didnt get the breaks or intagibles to do it ‘officially’…

thats why i LIKE the BCS…Each BCS bowl winner should feel like a national champion…the game should feel like a national championship game…big…fast…exciting…like something is happening on the field…not sure what but something big…

come on…even tounaments dont produce the ‘champ’… they produce the best team on a series of days…is that DUKE team better than UNLV back in the 90’s???? not a chance!!! but on that day, they were…

this winner take all and everyone else is trash mentality is wrong headed…

these kids BUST THEIR A*…and thats not even the kids on the losing independence bowl teams…

Give us FIVE BCS bowls…(should make a second bowl in the ATL…the peach) AND a BCS title game…no plus one…too much unpredictability…who will pay to c a team in new orleans then a week later in pasadena??????? the hype of knowing these games are a big part of what makes them special….

then the winner of each BCS bowl game can crow for the rest of their lives…

I DONT CARE WHAT NEBODY SAYS!!!! If u r crowned ORANGE BOWL CHAMPION you have done something HHUUGGEE … ROSE BOWL CHAMP….enormous … knowing that it is luck that has likely been what has not allowed u to be crowned the ‘official’ national champ

By Robby

January 5, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

oh…and i love this years georgia team…what a comeback…unreal…and i think an exciting sugar bowl victory over an intriguing hawai’i team…all those ti leaves and big ole warriors…pretty kewl…and colt brennan…fun…exciting…chance for something special if hawai’i should win…

but equally special in seeing those dawgs demonstrate just how awesome a big, physical and finely tuned college football team is…these guys dont get paid…they get a killer scholarship but have west point like rules to follow…they play for the game…for their school…i love it…and for more than a few of those dawgs…a job in the nfl…

gosh … i will never forget seein that line DISMANTLE the top rated offense in AMERICA…all props to the bcs champ…but i doubt they woulda wanted to run into those dawgs that night…

in the future …a tru fan of college football will find that georgia team and learn what it was all about…on a given nite the best in america

11-2 Sugar Bowl Champions

how sweet it is! go dogs! sic’em! u know the rest…

By jamesb2

January 5, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

BSC (That’s not a typo) is not perfect but, we can all agree that there needs to be a playoff system and that it’s not going to happen. Whomever wins, yes they should be the BSC champs. They only way to have a true champ is a playoff system.

That being said, the main excuse is that it will get in the way of school. I think that there enough smart people in the world to work it out and make both sides happy.

Yet, all we are left with is the BSC champs. Until there is a perfect system this debate will happen in some way, shape, or form every season. GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

By MisterT

January 5, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Altamahahahadawg, you crack me up! So how is that working for you?

I mean, being clever?

An Jon…do not start this late in the blog…and certainly don’t compare the puppy plight with two loses to Auburn being left out in the cold in 2003 when they had a perfect season…apples & oranges.

But seriously now, ALL sarcasm aside…

I will give you that the pups were playing at or near the top of the game at the end of the season. And they will be more than formidable next year provided they start in early September rather than late October like they have been prone to of late.

The real question is does the NC, any National Championship in FBS College football, represent who is best at the end of the season or who was the best with regard to the entire season?

I would offer this, the writers & coaches are on the same page with regard to this. Some vote as to who is Best at the time of the vote throughout the season and some actually consider the entire season up to the day they are voting. The obviously cast votes weekely.

The computers on the other hand do take all games into account without regard to when the game was won/lost at each point throughout the season. At the end of the season the computers & the BCS equation look at the entire embodiment of the season…W/L, Strength of Schedule, Writer & Coaches Polls and several computer polls. The BCS system obviously takes in the votes of the writers & coaches in which some vote with regard to the entire season and some with regard to “Who is Now.”

What you are really crying for is a playoff system. Unfortunately for the dawgs is that in most any of the proposed play off systems, they would possibly have been left completely out because they failed to win their conference. They would have made a 16 team playoff format, and possibly an 8 team. They would have been shut out of a 4 team for sure. They would not have gotten the money they got if they failed to make a play off.

I doubt seriously that the presidents of these schools are going to take that chance. Unfortunately, the current system, even with its flaws is probably the best we are going to get.

If we did get a Plus One scenario, it would not solve anything. There will always be someone that says, “We should have been chosen.” Just like this year. It could get even worse.

Te wider you make the elegiblity to qualify (4, 8, 16…), the greyer it gets as to who is actually better between two given teams on the edge…witness the NCAA BB Championship. Now if you make it wide enough the cream will defintely rise as is usually the case in March. We will not be able to play enough football games post season to cover that margin of error.

The problem is that we are all Fans and even Altamahadawg knows what that is short for.

If your or my team looked better when examining the full body of the season, that is the criteria by which we would want to judge the National Champion.

If your or my team peaked at the end of the season, injured players returned (ie USC), we would clamor for a playoff system by which the National Champion would be judged only on what have we done lately.

The BCS currently is still better than the system we had in decades past. It allows for both the full season to be weighed and the considerations of coaches and sports writers that are likely chosing with regard to “Who is Now.” Although we all saw how coaches with agendas do try to weigh final outcome in their favor.

God help us when Stoops figures out that his voting through out the year to put his conference higher week in and week out may have the effect of raising his team’s strength of schedule. If entire conferences start to block vote in this manner all year long, then we will really have a problem. And with the money that is at stake, it is only a matter of time.

Now I am depressed and my team didn’t have a shot in #&[[.

Please excuse grammar & spelling. I didn’t have time to run a check.

Happy New Year! Even you Altamaha & quail dawg

By Dr Morpheus

January 5, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Although I favor an 8 team playoff system, Robby has some points worth considering. Every BCS bowl winner has done something big. All the winners (SC, Georgia, West Virginia and KU) are ending on a very high note. They all beat down a ranked team. They all want to keep playing. LSU will soon join that group (causing numerous SEC fans to get rude and ugly). Trying to have a playoff system is like the problem faced by the Constitutional Convention after the Articles of Confederation failed. The states didn’t want to give up their individual autonomy by joining a powerful union. It took Ben Franklin (aided by John Adams and Thomas Jefferson) to pull it off. To repeat what several people have said, read Mandel’s new article on CNNSI as to why the BCS bowls/conferences fight against a playoff. Could we get a playoff? Yes, but it would happen in steps- first, the Plus One (with constant disclaimers of THIS WILL NOT LEAD TO A PLAYOFF), then a groundswell of demand for the Full Monty. I’m not holding my breath on that but it could happen. Until then, I appreciate Robby’s take as it allows one to enjoy the home team’s huge season. Can anyone take away the Dawg’s accomplishments? Or KU’s, for that matter. They showed that they can beat a strong team in a BCS bowl. Does anyone really care what UGA’s or KU’s final poll ranking is? For the record, though, if LSU wins, UGA finishes 2. But next year, THE DAWGS ARE LOCKED AND LOADED! Maximum of one loss = trip to the ‘ship.

By bkline

January 5, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

Dog fans need to stop crying they did’nt even win their division of the SEC much less the SEC. And yes the BCS is flawed,until the Big 10 & Pac 10 hold Confrence Championship games the playing field is not equal.

By Tidefan

January 5, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

I think it is a valid point. The college football system has never made much sense. Penn State was undefeated for two years in a row and was denied the national championship. Auburn was undefeated a couple of years ago.Alabama was voted national Champions in 1973 but lost to Notre Dame in The Sugar Bowl.Alabama and Southern Cal each had one loss in the 79 season And alabamas one loss was to southern Cal. Southern Cal’s loss was to a bad Arizona state team and they did not even score until the 4th quarter. One year Brigham Young got the national championship despitea weak schedule.I do not know that the S.E.C. is better than every other conference but it sure is competitive. The Big Twelve is pretty good usually though I am not sure about this year.I think college football should adopt an N.F.L. playoff model

By angie

January 5, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

1) Only members of LoSers United believe the BCS championship is the one and only. The AP also awards its championship, even in the years when it happens to agree with the BCS. Somehow, if LSU wins, I don’t see them turning down the AP Championship (assuming they get it this year even if they win the BCS Bowl…)

Meanwhile, as others have mentioned, the NCAA does not award a championship in Division 1-A football.

2) The Pac-10 has, wait for it, ten teams. They each play the other in round robin play during the season. Therefore, there is no need for a Pac-10 conference championship game - each team has a shot at the other.

3) The only way to determine a true national champ is to hold a playoff. The BCS (which was heavily revamped to more reflect the polls after 2003) and the AP are mostly based on human speculation. Until the teams play each other, there is no real way to determine who would beat who (and even then, anything can happen on any Saturday. Just ask South Carolina and Stanford).

By KCTiger

January 5, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

KU’s record: 2007 Opponent record: 76-88 including 8 teams with losing records (SE La, Toledo, FIU, K-State, Baylor, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa State) Record against BCS Top 25 (1-1) Beat VT; lost to Mizzou Signature wins: 1 vs. VT (by 3 points) Championships: Orange Bowl

Now LSU’s record: 2007 Opponent record: 104-74 [does not include NCG] including four teams with losing records (MidTN, Tulane, LaTech, Ole Miss) Record against BCS Top 25 (4-0 with NCG yet to be played) Signature wins: 4 vs. VT (by 41 points); Florida, Auburn; Tennessee in SECCG;

Championships: SEC Western Division Champion; SEC Champion; playing in BCS National Championship Game

The acid test would be LSU and KU swapping 2007 schedules… guess what would happen???? LSU goes undefeated and plays in the NCG (surprise, surprise) and KU becomes Alabama at 6-6 and is lucky to win in the Independence Bowl.

“KU—-a football tradition since September”

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this

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When did Tony Blowhardt EVER say anything nice about The Georgia Bulldogs?

Never.

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By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 2:04 AM | Link to this

The guy comes in here and writes one of the longest articles he has ever written. Try reading it again dimwit. His entire article is about what ? Georgia being No. 2 in the Final AP Poll 2007-2008 ? No sir. It’s about Kansas.

That’s because he is a basketball fan from the tar heel state.

It’s fun for him to talk about Kansas in football.

Missouri, who beat Kansas, is ranked ahead of Kansas - and, Missouri slaughtered an SEC team without a coach in the Cotton Bowl 38-7.

Does he mention that Missouri is ranked AHEAD of Kansas ? No.

Just that Kansas he wants to talk about being No. 1 in the AP Poll. Could it happen, he asks. Would it be a fitting end to the crazy year, he asks.

Southern Cal is ranked ahead of Kansas. And, Southern Cal demolished the team who beat Ohio State in the Rose Bowl. Beat them 49-17 and were declared as 1 of the 2 hottest teams in the nation. Does he mention Southern California is ranked several places AHEAD of Kansas either ? No.

And, this is my bone to pick. Try and see if you can follow it this time ? Georgia is ranked several places ahead of ALL of those teams, all ranked ahead of Kansas in the AP Poll he discusses. And, Georgia is ranked now behind ONLY Ohio State and LSU.

Does he mention that ? No again.

Just only mentions Kansas as fitting end to the season to be No. 1 AP.

Excuse me. He is biased against UGA. This article proves it. It is not as you say a factitious article about Kansas. He honestly would vote for Kansas up there at the top prior to the MNC game tomorrow night. Ahead of UGA, ahead of Missouri, and ahead of Southern California. In fact, he would today vote Kansas ahead of both LSU and Ohio State and tells you why he would.

Your reaction ? He is not trying to say that Kansas is better than Ohio State, LSU, Georgia, Southern Cal and Missouri.

BS. He sure as hell just told you that.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 3:26 AM | Link to this

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Now, if we can get the focus BACK on the Georgia Bulldogs, which this newspaper’s “sports-writers” NEVER have, we find several noteworthy news items today :

We finish the year ranked No. 16 in rushing defense and No. 14 in total defense. We are a defensive leading football team. We finish the season with NCAA No. 83 Passing Offense and No. 74 Total Offense.

We rely upon our defense.

We return that unit intact. The players we lose have a backup who is more a play-maker than we lose such as redshirt Sophomore next season Reshad Jones is a lot better than Kelin Johnson.

On Offense, we lose Sean Bailey at split end, and 2 of the OL who are No. 13 in the nation this season in giving up sacks. We gave up 1 sack a game this season.

Our Opponents this season went 5-2 in their bowl games, and we won our BCS Sugar Bowl for the 2nd time in the last 6 years now.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 3:28 AM | Link to this

We return our Punter and he is No. 14 in the nation in Punting. We lose our kicker and have coming in the nation’s No. 1 ranked kicker.

We committed yesterday AJ Harmon who plays both lines, preferring to play DT, but if he can play right now on the OL, would gladly. His commitment yesterday afternoon in the Army All-America Game put UGA at No. 1 in the nation in recruiting.

We are ranked in the Top 6 in the nation for the 2nd time in 24 years now, as we were No. 3 in the 2002-2203 season, and now No. 2 in the 2007-2008 season. We have not done this since Herschel’s days. That’s 24 years ago.

We are ranked in the Final AP Poll Top 25 for the 11th consecutive season, and the graphics on the BCS Sugar Bowl said that this is the Best in The Nation’s Top Conference. Excuse me, this is the Best in the Nation of all conferences. There is no other Program ranked in the Final AP Poll Top 25 for 10 consecutive seasons, let alone now our 11th season and counting.

Here is how the Final AP Poll, he is discussing here will end :

LSU No. 1.

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UGA No. 2.

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Ohio State No. 3.

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Southern California No. 4.

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Missouri No. 5.

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By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 3:30 AM | Link to this

There is your Top 5 of what he discusses as No. 1. Note, if you will, that Kansas is NOT in the Final AP Poll Top 5.

UGA Scoring Defense ends the season No. 18.

Our Kickoff returns are No. 17.

Our sacks of opposing Quarterbacks is No. 8.

We lose 5 starting players of the 22 starters, and return 17 – and, have NO question marks coming into next season on a 7-game Win Streak.

We start the season ranked No. 2 in the Preseason AP Poll.

We end this season No. 2 in the Final AP Poll. We have averaged a Top 5 Recruiting Class all of The Coach Richt Era.

We are a Consensus Elite Football Program.

These are the Good Ole Days.

And, the AJ-C biased reporting as this article proves, hates it.

Yeah, we lost 2 football games Terrence Moore. Yeah beakem we lost 2 football games. Yeah, Tony Blowhardt we lost 2 football games. And, so did Ohio State tomorrow night, so did LSU, so did Missouri, so did Southern California – and, LSU, UGA, Ohio State, Southern California and Missouri are Consensus Final AP Poll Top 5.

NOT Kansas.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 3:32 AM | Link to this

In 2007 Virginia Tech lost to UGA, LSU, Kansas and Boston College. Virginia Tech is NOT RANKED AHEAD OF UGA in the AP Poll released BEFORE the bowl games. Virginia Tech does NOT have a Quarterback. The best win all season long for Kansas before their bowl game to this team, was over the BCS Final Rankings No. 44 team in America who is Texas A&M a 7-6 team who fired its coach. Kansas’ NCAA Official Strength of Schedule is No. 71 including Virginia Tech and Georgia’s is No. 7.

Kansas does NOT end up therefore even in the Final AP Poll Top 5.

Georgia does instead.

The only team Kansas is better than is West Virginia in the Final AP Poll.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 3:36 AM | Link to this

And, BEAKEM, as to you taking exception to me REPLYING to your statement that UGA fans are “IDIOTS” and not being allowed to return the favor and RESPOND afterwards that you are the IDIOT :

By* beakem*

January 5, 2008 7:14 AM

“ * You Georgia fans crack me up. YOUR TEAMS LOST GAMES THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE YOU F’N IDIOTS!!! KU handled their weaker opponents much better than your teams did. Next year, if your teams take care of the business they should, then you won’t have anything to whine about!* “

You take exception to me REPLYING to this post, calling you an IDIOT ?

By beakem

January 5, 2008 8:04 AM

“ Bulldawg, Before you call someone else an idiot “

You don’t see the point at all, idiot (I say in RESPONSE to you calling us Bulldog fans, idiots 1st.) This rag of a newspaper is BIASED against UGA, and that is why although Kansas will NOT finish in the AP Poll Top 5, and UGA local home team ends up No. 2, that they have THIS article talking about Kansas’ Final AP Poll Ranking.

So beakem before you get your panties all in a wad about me returning the favor and responding to you calling all of us Bulldog fans “IDIOTS” in fact, “F’ing Idiots” you might want to try re-reading what you wrote yourself 1st - since you obviously cannot remember what even you said yourself.

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By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 7:47 AM | Link to this

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Georgia’s Schedule 2008-2009 :

Georgia Southern beat Appalachian State who beat Michigan. And, Michigan beat Florida (Who didn’t?) in their bowl game. Georgia Southern played in the Playoff Championship Division playoffs.

Central Michigan played in a bowl game and were the best win by Purdue 8-5 who beat them 51-48 in their bowl game.

South Carolina beat 3 teams who won their bowl games Mississippi State, Georgia and Kentucky and was tied going into overtime with Tennessee who also won their bowl game. Spurrier’s South Carolina did not play in a bowl game at 6-6, but they also played 3 more teams who did go to bowl games.

Arizona State will be out for Revenge against The Georgia Bulldogs, after claiming they were snubbed not getting to play in a BCS Bowl Game. Instead, Arizona State had to play its bowl game December 27th and lost to drop them to 10-3. Georgia plays this game at Arizona State this season. And, then we get them at our House the following season.

Alabama won their bowl game.

Tennessee won their bowl game. Tennessee should be the 3rd highest SEC Ranked team at about 15th or so.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 7:49 AM | Link to this

Vandie did not play in a bowl game, as depth became an issue at the end of the season watching Vandie lose the last 4 in a row to end up 5-7. However, early in the season, Vandie did well and beat South Carolina for example. And, came within 3 of Georgia, came within 7 of Kentucky and came within 1 of Tennessee.

LSU is playing for the national championship tomorrow night. And, no there is not just 1 National Champion when The Official NCAA Bowl Subdivision Records’ Book recognizes up to 15 National Champions every single solitary year including this one where Wes Colley unbiased poll sanctioned by the BCS already has The Georgia Bulldogs No. 2 in the nation behind only LSU. (Ohio State is No. 5 in the Wes College BCS Poll. Because of their extraordinarily weak SOS.) In fact, the Kenneth Massey BCS Poll also today has UGA No. 3 behind only LSU and Ohio State, which is exactly as the AP Poll. This game is in Baton Rouge.

Florida plays Georgia in Jacksonville, and they appear to be headed to about a Top 20 or so team for this last season.

Kentucky is also on the road and Rich Brooks did very well this season as it appears Jeff Sagarin’s BCS Poll will rank Kentucky in their Top 25 teams for this season just ending. Kentucky won their bowl game over Booby Bowden, the senile old coot.

Auburn is at Auburn and Auburn won their bowl game over the Climpson farmers in the renamed Peach Bowl. Auburn appears to be the 4th best SEC team in the Final AP Poll at about 18th or so.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 6, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Georgia Tech lost its bowl game, firing one coach who watched some of it on TV and hiring a new one (who sat in the stands) with no one on the roster fitting his scheme, and none of the recruits committed fitting the scheme either – or so they all say dropping like flies.

Georgia figures to play in the SEC Championship Game and that is also another ranked team and another bowl winner we will play.

Our Bowl Game next season will be Coach Richt’s 4th BCS Bowl Game in his then 8th season.

Our Opponents this Bowl Season went 5-2 in their bowl games this season.

Our Opponents next Season played in 11 bowl games this season, if we play in the SEC Championship next year. I still don’t understand why when the reason for the SEC Championship Game is to move our Top Ranked Teams up in the BCS and give us a shot in the arm for a Possible BCS MNational Championship, that the SEC disregards all Rankings including the BCS Rankings and disregards all losses outside the SEC then in determining the representative in the SEC Championship Game in tie-breaker rules among Co-SEC East Champions.

Our Opponents next season have gone 4-4 in Bowl Games so far this season with LSU yet to play tomorrow night. This does not count our Opponent in the SEC Championship Game who no doubt just won their bowl game too and does not count our Bowl Opponent next season in our BCS Bowl Game then against obviously another team who just won their bowl game.

So, it appears that on next year’s UGA Bulldog Schedule, there will be 11 games against Opponents of whom 7 Won their Bowl Games this season, while 4 lost their bowl games this season.

This after this season ending with the No. 7 toughest schedule in the nation. LSU’s schedule this year including Ohio State is not as tough as UGA’s at 14th for LSU and No. 7 for UGA. Ohio State’s SOS is No. 39 including counting the game with LSU tomorrow night. Notre Dame 31 SOS. Wisconsin SOS 48. Penn State SOS 50. Georgia Tech SOS is No. 61 this season. Kansas is SOS No. 71 this season. And, Southern California’s Strength of Schedule this season is No. 73.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia9gamescumm.pdf

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By Dave

January 6, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

This season has proven to me that the college football “pundits” are, in fact, worthless and biased. From the contradictory JOKE that is Kirk Herbstreit (sp?) and ESPN’s marching orders to all the mindless poll-voting puppets the night of the WVU lose, to all those who now point out one team’s loses without using the same standard toward another team’s loses with regards to NC consideration, everyone - including “Mr. Football” - has proven that they are not fair and unbiased reporters.

By Airpapa

January 6, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

“the Jayhawks played a very weak non-conference schedule (Central Michigan, SE Louisiana, Toledo, Florida International) and didn’t have to play Texas or Oklahoma during the Big 12 season”. Well Tony, there’s your answer. Yep, any group can name a National Champion, just look at Alabama’s pile of NC’s, but with the BCS all the teams are playing for the same thing, to win “The National Championship”.

By Bayou Bengal

January 6, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

Why? Just so the BCS will have another “split” champion?

The Bowl System has taken care of the major schools for years (from the beginning of the bowls to the eighties) and since then the non-majors too… sixty-four bowl teams! The best you will see is a four team playoff ( #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3) with the winners to the championship game.

By Brutus

January 7, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this

What if LSU loses? Are all of you SEC fans that say Ohio State sucks going to change your minds. LSU LOST TO KENTUCKY!!!!!! NOW Thats a great football school…

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 7, 2008 2:56 AM | Link to this

SEC fans did NOT say that Ohio State sucks.

Who, as Les Miles puts it, is disrespecting Ohio State ? They ARE playing in in the National Championship Game. Ohio State is ranked No. 1 by the AP Poll. Ohio State is No. 1 in USA Today Coaches’ Poll. Ohio State is No. 1 in the BCS Poll. Ohio State is No. 1 in the Harris Interactive Poll. Ohio State is No. 1 in the Anderson-Hester Poll. Ohio State is No. 1 in the Richard Billingsley Poll.

What SEC Fans are saying is that Ohio State played in all these Top 25 Polls, 1 team who they beat. 1. Ohio State in their entire season, beat Wisconsin who in turn beat not 1 team ranked in the BCS Top 25. And, Wisconsin just got beat by Tennessee vols. The SEC has Won 6 Bowl Games, more than any other conference this year already. And, The SEC Won 6 Bowls last year, more than any other Conference.

Including LSU, Ohio State played the Number 29 NCAA Official Strength of Schedule this season.

Ohio State’s record against BCS Top 25 Ranked Opponents will NOT be as Good as Georgia’s is already, if Ohio State wins.

Georgia beat three (3) BCS Top 25 Ranked teams.

What the posters in this thread want to talk about is Southern Cal beat 2 teams : Illinois (who beat Ohio State) and beat Arizona State (who on 27 December, lost their bowl game.) That’s their 2. We have discussed West Virginia beat 2 teams : CHOKElahoma and Cincinnati. Kansas beat 1 Virginia Tech (who Georgia also beat in 2007.) That’s it. Missouri beat 2.

Georgia beat 3 Florida, Auburn and Hawaii. Georgia is No. 2 in the AP Poll.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 7, 2008 3:02 AM | Link to this

Dave you are exactly right. And, another thing that Tony Blowhardt is wrong on is that the BCS is something the major conferences put together with the TV for money. What’s Hawaii ? Major Conference ? What TV ? Rose Bowl is not part of the FOX TV Contract. And, please note Tony Blowhardt that ALL the BCS does is to Pick Two (2). The rest the “BCS” has NOTHING to do with. Nothing. These other bowls pick their own teams.

In the old days, the Sugar Bowl could have gone and chosen Missouri for example for Georgia to play against. They could have chosen Kansas for example too. I think they could have chosen West Virginia too. The only one that matters, Ohio State, has NO business being No. 1 - not and leave UGA out of No. 2. UGA would have played in the Sugar Bowl for the National Championship.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 7, 2008 3:46 AM | Link to this

The Final AP Poll comes out tonight. I expect UGA to be No. 2 and here is why :

(1) Ohio State played the No. 39 SOS and UGA the No. 7.

(2) Ohio State beat 1 team in the Final Top 25 and that is if Wisconsin remains in the Top 25 after they beat no one in the Top 25 including losing their bowl game. Georgia beat 3 Florida, Auburn and Hawaii.

(3) Georgia was screwed out of not playing for the MNC in the 1st place. We were No. 4 the week before the Final BCS Poll. No. 1 and No. 2 lost. If Ohio State moves up to No. 1, UGA moves up to No. 2. It’s that easy. Nebraska played for the MNC when they did not even play for the Big XII Championship. CHOKElahoma played for the MNC when they did not win their Conference Championship either. But, UGA cannot ? BS.

(4) UGA is No. 4 in the AP Poll this morning before the Final Poll comes out tonight. No. 3 WAS CHOKElahoma. No. 1 Ohio State is going down, down down because Ohio State has on their entire roster not 1 single solitary player who runs under 4.4 in the 40-yard dash. Georgia has 5 including Thomas Brown who scored a TD against Hawaii and including AJ Bryant who did the end around for the big gain in the Hawaii game.

(5) There is NO WAY to jump UGA this time by some team who won their bowl game by not a bigger margin that UGA did of 31 points.

(6) Georgia has the No. 7 SOS, and has the No. 14 Total Defense and No. 18 Scoring Defense in the Nation.

(7) Georgia beat 3 teams who end up in the Final AP Poll Florida, Auburn and Hawaii.

(8) Georgia has a great football team and is 1 of the 2 hottest teams in America today. UGA and Southern California. Southern California played the No. 80 SOS and beat Big Dud Illinois in their bowl game who is going to end up worse ranked than Hawaii and beat Big Dud Arizona State who got blown out in their bowl game December 27th.

(9) Kansas is ranked No. 8 in the AP Poll and would have to jump 6 teams including UGA because Kansas won their bowl game by a damn field goal. What kind of junk is that ? Kansas does NOT jump Missouri who is ranked ahead of Kansas when Missouri won by 31 also like Georgia. Kansas does NOT jump Southern California who is ranked ahead of Kansas when Southern California won their bowl game by 32 points. Kansas does NOT jump either Ohio State nor LSU no matter what.

(10) Missouri and Southern California do NOT jump these other teams for the same exact reasons. It is set in stone. It should have been set in stone BEFORE the Bowl Games with UGA playing for the NC. Trust me Bulldog fans tonight are NOT going to let the AP Polls tell us that we are NOT No. 2 now tonight in addition.

It’s NOT happening.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 7, 2008 3:49 AM | Link to this

Instead of all this junk about No. 8 Kansas JUMPING all these teams ahead of them ALL with more impressive bowl win than Kansas’ 3-point win, what this biased so-and-so who walks around with his chest puffed out should have said is that UGA is No. 2 in America 2007-2008.

(And, didn’t get to play No. 1.)

By Jayhawk Fan

January 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Alright, first of all I’m a KU alum and I love my Hawks and have been a fan even through the worst of years. But lets not kid ourselves. KU does NOT deserve to be co-champs. There’s just no justification. Second of all, for all you poster who say KU was destroyed by Mizzou, you should open your eyes. KU played a terrible first half to that game, and I blame the coaches. Did you see the draw play ran right up the middle called 6 or 7 times. Mizzou was constantly blitzing up the middle and thats where our OC decided to run the ball every time? Anyway, the coaching staff stuck to their game plan for the entire first half and waited until halftime to make adjustments instead of adjusting to the flow of the game. Long story short, KU came roaring back after the half and had a legitimate shot at beating MU in the final minutes but the onside kick failed and the rest is history. I think that if KU had won that game that they also would have beaten OU for the Big12 and would be playing for the title tonight. Alas, that didn’t pan out, but anybody who says KU is not a top 10 team is absolutely nuts. You can argue about your top 5 all you want. I think KU could beat OSU and maybe hang with LSU (who could have easily been a 5 loss team). USC and Georgia are the two toughest teams in America right now and I’d say if I had to crown my own national champ it’d go to the Dawgs. My top 5 as of right now- and probably after the game tonight. 1UGA 2USC 3LSU 4WVA 5KU Oh and by the way, if LSU wins tonight, then KANSAS will finish the season holding the best record in all of Division 1, and unlike Hawaii that includes a BCS bowl victory. That ought to mean something.

By Kansas Should Be #1

January 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Without a doubt, if LSU beats Ohio State, Kansas should be #1. Their non-conference schedule was (marginally) tougher than Ohio State’s. At least they played one bowl team out of conference, albeit a MAC team.

The BCS is preposterous. No sane person would have devised this system from scratch. It’s evolved. If you’re a Darwinian, that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily good. The platypus exists too.

Give it to Kansas and watch the Rose Bowl squirm. The only reason we don’t have at least a plus-one system or (far better) a playoff is because of those wanting to honor their “tradition” at the Rose Bowl. Here’s to starting a new tradition. If the NCAA and CFA will not support a playoff, have it foisted on them.

Besides, a legitimate argument can be made that Kansas had the best year of any team in the country. They are the only team, provided Ohio State loses, from a BCS conference with one loss. They beat five bowl teams, Central Michigan, Colorado, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, and Virginia Tech. Their one loss was in a game against the then #3 team in the country, Missouri, where Kansas was in the game down to the last minute. Oh yeah, Missouri absolutely stomped Arkansas—the SEC team that beat LSU. Overtime or not, LSU lost to two teams that will finish the season unranked.

Give it to Kansas and watch the network suits squirm some more.

By Harley G

January 8, 2008 2:21 AM | Link to this

Good point. There are 2 teams that got shafted. Kansas and Georgia. Kansas more so than Georgia. Kansas lost to the team that played for the conference championship and it was there only loss. Georgia the same but they also had another loss. But Georgia should have been number 3 atleast not 5. My point in all the BS I mean BCS is Kansas should have played LSU. Georgia should have played USC. VT play OU WV vs. Missouri. Hawaii shouldnt have been in a BCS game and futhermore they should have played the Il. Thanks

By KCTiger

January 9, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

It wasn’t even close….KU #7

LSU #1 with 60 of 65 AP votes LSU #1 in BCS with all the votes (no defectors this time)

LSU was 5-0 against AP final Top 15 LSU played 9 teams ranked in Top 25 at the time they played.

LSU beat VT by 41…KU won by 3.

Best of luck to the Jayhawks in basketball…and good luck with the 2008 football schedule. If you need another game, LSU still has an available date….it could be settled on the field….