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DEL.ICIO.USJuicy tidbits from the final coaches poll
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Some juicy tidbits in from the voting in the final USA Today coaches poll:
• A few coaches, seven to be exact, had Georgia No. 2 on their final ballots. They included Neil Callaway of UAB, the Bulldogs’ former offensive line coach. Connecticut coach Randy Edsall, Texas Tech’s Mike Leach, Georgia coach Mark Richt, Rutgers coach Greg Schiano, Tulane coach Bob Toledo, and Notre Dame coach Charlie Weiss had the Bulldogs at No. 2. (See Richt’s ballot)
• The seven SEC coaches who vote in the poll all had Georgia in their top five. All but one, Georgia’s Richt, had LSU in their final top two: Mississippi State’s Sylvester Croom (LSU 2, Georgia 3), Tennessee’s Phillip Fulmer (LSU 2, Georgia 4), LSU’s Les Miles (LSU 1, Georgia 3), Ole Miss’s Houston Nutt (LSU 2, Georgia 3), Georgia’s Richt (Georgia 2, LSU 3), South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier (LSU 2, Georgia 4), Auburn’s Tommy Tuberville (LSU 1, Georgia 5).
• Coaches tend to follow the party line and 54 of the 60 had Ohio State No. 1 or No. 2 on their ballots. But there is some skepticism about the Buckeyes, (11-1) and their soft schedule. Six coaches had Ohio State No. 3 or lower. Mario Cristobal of Florida International had Ohio State No. 6 while Auburn’s Tuberville had the Buckeyes at No. 3.
• Eleven coaches, including Florida State’s Bobby Bowden, North Carolina’s Butch Davis, and Auburn’s Tuberville, had LSU No. 1.
• Not surprisingly, Frank Beamer, whose Virginia Tech team was drilled 48-7 in Baton Rouge on Sept. 8, had LSU No. 1 in his final ballot. He had his own team, the ACC champion, ranked No. 2, and Georgia sixth.
• LSU coach Les Miles had his team No. 1 and Ohio State No. 2 with Georgia No. 3.
• South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier voted his buddy, Bob Stoops of Oklahoma, No. 1 in his final ballot. He had LSU No. 2, Virginia Tech No. 3 and Georgia No. 4.
• Stoops, understandably, had his team ranked No. 1 after beating Missouri twice this season. He had three Big 12 teams in his top four (Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas). He had LSU at No. 6.
• 40 of the 60 coaches who vote in the poll had LSU No. 1 or No. 2 on their ballots.
• Somebody at Georgia made Wyoming’s Joe Glenn mad at some point. He had Georgia No. 10 on his ballot.
• You got to give the Big Ten coaches credit for one thing. They all stick together. Seven of them vote in the poll and they all had Ohio State No. 1, even Michigan’s Lloyd Carr, who has announced his retirement.
• Hal Mumme of New Mexico State continues to be our resident contrarian in the coaching fraternity. He had undefeated Hawaii No. 1 on his ballot.
• See USA Today’s chart on how each coach voted
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Comments
By JP Helton
December 3, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this
Lost in all the BCS mess, is the fact that 3 teams from the SEC should be in BCS Bowls based on rankings (LSU, UGA, and UF). The conference rule that only allows 2 teams is a joke when you are talking about a conference that has 3 teams in the top 10. If the rule didn’t exist this year, it would have assured that every bowl eligible team in the SEC could get a spot!
By otisfirefly
December 3, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this
Just goes to show there is nothing qualified about the poll system to elect who is the best in the country. It’s like high school kids voting for their best friend for homecoming queen…….blah….
By Brian
December 3, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this
JP,
Talk to Wisconsin last year. The same thing happened last year when they got shut out of a BCS bowl beacuse of the dumb “2 team only” rule.
The schools presidents have this rule in place, so they can make sure that their budgets will never fluctuate that much.
By Jim 70
December 3, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
Can’t win your conference or even play for the chance to win, you shouldn’t be going to the title game.
There should be a playoff - BUT only conference champions from the six BCS schools, and the next two: any independent who is in the top 10 of the final polls and/or the top two next conference champions from the smaller conferences. Those eight play in the four major bowls, then three more games. YOU HAVE TO WIN YOUR CONFERENCE!
By G8TR
December 3, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
Tony - You have Tuberville listed with two different No. 5’s. Which teams was it? Also, can someone figure out that the AJC sports polls ought to be written and addressed to more than just Bulldogs? Notice this morning’s poll - it’s all from the UGA point of view. Ever notice that fans of other programs read the AJC, too?
By Tom
December 3, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this
DAWG GONE!!
By Michael
December 3, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this
Tech should hire Zook as their coach because he’s a known Dawg killer and he tricked his way into the Rose Bowl against USC.
By Ken
December 3, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this
Can’t expect much more out of a C**. Steve Spurrier is so stupid. Enough said. Need not waste time on him. Time is to precious. Now Wyoming? Who the hell are they? They have a football team? We have high schools here in GEORGIA that gets more recognition than they do. So lease get a team and then you can put you 2 cents in. Until then, stay out of this college football conversation.
By pfffft
December 3, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this
i love when a team feels they got shafted just because of where they were ranked, before allll of the games were played. they were leap frogged by 3 teams who qualified and won thier conference championships. plain and simple. it is simple math as the ga player mentioned. while uga was at home watching they were still playing and winning. i cant wait for the sugar bowl. ask oklahoma about how bad those wac teams are. it could get interesting. the system sux for sure. but if you want to take the variables out of it win your conference championship.
By Michael
December 3, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this
G8TR, Since you are reading this on the net how about surfing over to TDO.COM or some other Florida paper to see what you want. Whiner.
By Spike
December 3, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this
Enough is enough! UGA won the 2002 SEC championship with one loss and did not play for the NC. Auburn goes undefeated and wins the SEC and does not play for the NC. HAVE AN EIGHT TEAM PLAYOFF!! Ohio State did not play a top 20 team, much less beat one. UGA palyed four and beat all four.
By David
December 3, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this
The BCS is a pathetic excuse of a “system”. What a joke. Missouri gets left out because they played an extra game yet they beat a 9-3 Illinois and Kansas head-to-head.
NOBODY deserves to play for the Championship. That’s the point. LSU lost twice when ranked #1. Ohio State played one ranked team and 0 out of conf BCS conference games and the Big 10 has no championship. Georgia lost to SC at home and TN handily. SC lost to Stanford, VT got crushed by LSU. Oklahoma lost to a mediocre TT and Colorado.
So they put LSU and Ohio State in the game and the next four teams that everybody wants to see play each other and see how they match up…NOBODY play each other. It is a ——ing joke!
By FLA DAWG
December 3, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this
How the he!! can Ohio State & UGA both be idle at 3 & 4 on Saturday then be 1 & 5 on Sunday?!
BCS Bulshite!!!!!!!!!!!
By Bob
December 3, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
Maybe that is why Wyoming’s coach got fired. LOL
Tony, who is Lou Holtz going to rave about today? On Saturday night after all the games it was LSU and how they deserved to be in. Last night suddenly it was OU and how they were better than LSU. And Kirk Herbstreit had no problem last year lobbying intensly for Michigan even though they had lost to Michigan in the “greatest game in history”. I guess if you don’t win the Big Ten you should qualify for the Big Game. And is it true that Ohio State is playing undefeated Tucker this weekend at Adams stadium?
Georgia does not deserve the NC Game because LSU won the conference. Period. We need to focus on Hawaii or we will look like we did against WVU or like OU did against Boise last year.
By Dawg Fud
December 3, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this
So did Tuberville have Georgia or Ohio State at five? Which is it, Tony? He can’t rank them both five can he?
By fbreese
December 3, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this
I tend to trust the consesus of coaches. If 54 of 60 vote OU as 1 or 2 and 40 of 60 vote LSU as 1 or 2, then thats it. These coaches are more knowledgeable of who is the best in the nation than any armchair QB, they voted, now live with it.
By John
December 3, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
Wyoming gets a vote?!?!
By Colonial Dawg
December 3, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
Uh, Spike….I’d LIKE to agree with you, but I can’t. We did lose to Tennessee but 3 and 1 ain’t bad. Ohio State played 2 top twenties, losing to Illinois and beating Wisconsin.
By wildboar
December 3, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
What would have happened if there was a 2 or 3 way tie in the Big10 or Pac10? No championship game, so there would be a tie with the highest ranked team getting the BCS nod. Georgia was tied with LSU and Tenn with 2 losses and we were the highest ranked in the BCS. We are not playing on equal footing.
By G8TR
December 3, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
Michael: I have the good fortune to live in ATL and am well-rounded enough to read a variety of papers, most of which don’t pander. While I appreciate and understand the homer aspect of any local news, the whining of the Pups over the weekend reached hysterical proportions, fed by the AJC myth that UGA was qualified for the NC game (a lame argument that the rest of the nation clearly did not buy into). But, hey, that’s your UGA brand — an ungracious coach and deluded fans who want more than they deserve.
By ToccoaDawg
December 3, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this
If Ohio State is number one then Hawaii should be number two if you look at who they played. Talkin about a soft schedule. Hawaii just dont have the name. Im a Dawg fan and a SEC fan and history is going to repeat its self again this year like last year LSU is a lock as the NC like Fla. last year. Even Hawaii could have takin down Ohio St. They will give us fits I promise. But I guess you got have the name to play in this game. For it is not the schedule you play are the wins. This has been proven over and over. The SEC will rule again in this year in these bowls. May go undefeated from what I see. We will win in dog fight agenst Hawaii. LSU will win in a blow out. Same true if we would have played Ohio St. Same true with Hawaii. GO DAWGS AND THE SEC SIC UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
By Brad
December 3, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this
I may be the only GA fan that understands. With the UGA howling now, could you imagine how much louder it would be if we were in LSU’s shoes at 11-2 (just won a conf title)and a really good 10-2 LSU team got in to the NC game?? There would really be some property destroyed. Bottom line is all 7-8 teams that had a legit shot at the NC title game at some point didn’t win when they were supposed to, and now we’re left with this mess. One good play on either side of the ball against SCarolina and all this would be for naught. So let’s quit the whining and the bellyaching (and that goes for OK, VT, and USC fans too) and enjoy our bowl games. Be glad you have a top-tier team and stand behind ‘em. As Richt says, the NC game is a beauty (contest) pageant. I agree.
By fbreese
December 3, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this
As an LSU alum and fan, I personally wish that LSU had gone to the Sugar and played Hawaii. I think they are a better team than Ohio U and would have been a better test for us. Whoever win the NC this year is going to face tons of contorversey and its going to take away from the enjoyment for all. That being said, I will trust 60 coaches to choose the best teams. If 54 say Ohio is 1 or 2 and 40 says LSU is 1 or 2 then live with it. These guys are more knowledgeable than any armchair QB.
By PM
December 3, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this
Why did Richt have a blank on his ballot? Why is that allowed? What other mistakes are made because the coaches don’t take the time to fill the ballot out correctly and conscientiously?
By OldSchoolDawg
December 3, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this
So much for strength-of-schedule being a BCS factor. The message is clear: If you want into the NC game, first schedule as many non-conference patsies as possible. I’m talking about the Kents, Youngstown States, and the Akrons of the world.
Don’t forget to throw in a very weak team from a BCS conference(like the Pac-10’s Washington) so your efforts to pad your schedule aren’t so obvious.
Next, and perhaps most importantly, get yourself into a weak BCS conference. This way, you’ll play teams like Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, and Michigan State during the meat of your schedule.
The weak BCS conference thing is crucial, because even when you’re supposed to be having a “showdown” (with ESPN Gameday there and everything), you’re REALLY playing a pretender (think Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan).
It’s true, you’re bound to run into one dangerous team (like Illinois), but even if you lose, you’ll still be ranked near the top, because you only have one loss and you’re a BCS conference champion (even though the conference doesn’t really provide much competition at all).
Put Ohio State in the SEC East and see where they end up… fourth maybe?
By Henry
December 3, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
Georgia did not win the SEC, not even their division. I don’t see what all the fuss is about. They just aren’t a National Championship team.
By Dawgblitz
December 3, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this
It’s funny how everyone says win your conference. Does anybody remember the Oklahoma debacle a few years ago? They got blasted by Kansas State in the Big 12 title game and still got a bid. I don’t want to hear this BS about your team getting shafted because you know as well as I do, if it was your team, you would be saying the same thing. The Dawgs deserved a shot at the national title, but, because the media wrote them off before the final vote, they didn’t get the nod. It’s OK though, next year the Dawgs won’t have to worry about it, they’ll be the champs out right and will be in the title game. Oh I also think it’s funny how every Tech fan says get a coach that’s a dog killer, like the guy who posted that about Zook. Shouldn’t you be worrying about winning the lowly ACC, not beating Georgia. Besides, the streak is seven and it will be eight after next season. Go Dawgs!!!
By boots
December 3, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this
Tony, why did you jump on the bandwagon and keep pushing OH State and LSU playing each other before the BCS. If Georgia can’t count on you to politic as much as your buddy, Jerk Herbstreit, then we are left fighting an uphill battle. In watching ABC and ESPN on Saturday night (both owned by the same people), it seemed to me that their push was coordinated. As soon as it became clear that WV would lose, it was all about pushing OH State and LSU. In a spot where you could argue for Georgia, OK, VA Tech or even Kansas, why did 100% of the ABC / ESPN crew push LSU??? Just could not happen that way unless it was planned for some reason.
By Tville Dawg
December 3, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
Ranked No 5 at year end and playing in the Sugar Bowl. If you had that information at the beginning of the season, there would be a resounding YES!!!!!
Having an opportunity to finish out the year in the Top 5 and setting the table for a NC run in 08-a resounding YES!!!!
The stupid loss to South Carolina and the drubbing by TENN is reason enough to satisfy me that maybe we didn’t belong in the title game. Clean these things up next year, and we’ll have more of an argument.
With our returnees in 08, and the strong finish this year, we’ll certainly be close to the top the heap in preseason. From there, take care of business, and we’ll be fine.
Great year to be a DAWG.
By G8TRHater
December 3, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
G8TR,
Since you are well rounded enough to read several different newspapers, you should also be intelligent enough to realize that Mark Richt is probably the MOST gracious collegiate coach in the game. If you do not realize this, then you need to do more readings from more newspapers.
The fact is, UGA had a chance to be voted in to the BCS Championship. UGA is a local team with a huge fan base in the market. If you can not understand why the AJC gave this topic so much publicity, then I am sorry for your stupidity.
Thank you for gracing us this morning, now please retreat to whatever hole you slithered out of.
By chris
December 3, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
None of the upcoming bowl games means squat! Football takes a back seat to money and politics. Bowl games and BCS championship games are meaningless and everyone knows it. Even if the Dawgs were in the “Big” game, you can’t be blind to the fact that there are other deserving teams as well. Until there is a playoff system in place (8 teams), forget about it, end of story. No one can look at the Ohio St. schedule and truly feel that they are worthy of their position in the polls. LSU (if healthy) will crush them.
By dawgsig
December 3, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
Tommy Tuberville is a joke. He hates Georgia so much that he put Hawaii ahead of UGA. We won’t forget that!
By Reality
December 3, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
I know that everyone would like to be in the NC game. However, if you look at the resumes of all the 2 loss teams, the people with a vote put the fairest matchup in the final game. If you take a look outside of the state of GA, that is the overwhelming opinion except for the states of VA, OK and CA. There is definitely some home town bias, which is understandable. The only writer I am most disappointed with is Mark Bradley. I would have hoped that a writer could objectively look at this and report accordingly. T. Moore, of all people, actually got it right. As far as people wanting to know how you can be idle and move backwards, that’s what happens when other teams play in conference championships. They either get rewarded or penalized depending on the result. Some teams that won moved up and the losers fell back in the polls. It seems that Missouri fans would be awfully upset that they fell behing GA by playing the game while the Dawgs got to sit home.
By DWG
December 3, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this
Tubs is a sore loser. He had uga at 5 and lsu at 1. Didn’t like that pounding too much between the hedges I guess. I agree with playoff with 6 conf. champs and 2 at large. The fact is that it’s not out of the question for a great team to lose early, have only one loss and get left out of the conf championship game. If you exclude a potential top 5 team from a playoff system then it’s just as bad as the current system. I think this year because LSU had the same record and won the SEC they deserve the title shot. As a dawg fan I just wish the BCS was set up to make more intriguing matchups instead of sticking with the conference tie ins and having mediocre games. USC UGA would have been a great game. Ok - VT too.
By John
December 3, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
Just goes to show you this poll should NOT count. They vote their friends, conference teams or themselves all high. Spurrier’s is odd. That Richt picked his team ahead of LSU is rich. Ah…they beat Tenn - ateam that beat his by 21 pts. I think he must have forgotten about that one.
By MW-GTfan
December 3, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this
* BCS = JOKE *
LSU probably has the most talent in country, but are completely undisciplined and have played far below their capablity. OSU has had creampuff schedule. If OSU played any of the next 5 ranked teams 5 times, they’d lose to each of them at least 4 times. At the end of the season UGA and USC (the one on the left coast) were playing the best football in the country. Some years the BCS works. This isn’t one of them. This year is a perfect example of the need for a play-off system. We’ll never get one as long as we continue to support the BCS system. I am not watching any BCS bowls this season.
By ToccoaDawg
December 3, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
Right with ya Tville Dawg Im like a kid lookin down the candy rack at walmart how sweet it is and going to be a DAWG the next fews years and may we have many more……….
By Truthman
December 3, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
I was born in University Hospital about 200 yards from Ohio Stadium. My folks went to OSU.
I went to UGA.
I understand why LSU jumped over us. My only complaint is that I would’ve rather played USC or Oklahoma than Hawai’i. Nothing against June Jones (former Falcon QB and coach - remember the “Chuck and Duck?”) and the Rainbow Warriors. I just beleive that a UGA-USC game, or UGA-OU, would’ve been a much more compelling game.
Other than LSU and OSU, who is excited about any of the BCS games?
All that being said: GO BUCKS!!!
By Dennis G. Berdanis
December 3, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
It’s not LSU jumping us but #9 Oklahoma jumping up to #3 that has my blood boiling. Why don’t they just make the rules that the top 6 spots go to BCS conference champions and no one else is allowed in those spots. Then we could have had a scenario where 6-5 UCLA was in the top 6 and everyone would see how stupid giving conference champions a pass is.
By KR
December 3, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this
dawgsig wrote: Tommy Tuberville is a joke. He hates Georgia so much that he put Hawaii ahead of UGA. We won’t forget that!
What part don’t you understand?
Hawaii is undefeated.
UGA lost to a 6-6 team and got a beat down from the loser of the SEC Championship Game.
Seems simple enough…
By t_height
December 3, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this
There really needs to be another system because human votes are never honest votes. Everybody is going on their likes and dislikes of teams, not the best teams. If teams want to make the big game, they need to schedule their non-conference games against more competitive teams. I really think the preseason ranking is what throws these polls off. I don’t think there should be a early preseason poll because you can’t tell who is the best team in the country if no one has played a game and you don’t know how the teams on their schedule will pair up. Nov. should be the time when the real polls come out. Ohio State has gotten into the championship game twice in a row with a weak conference. Not even their second best team in the conference is a threat to compete for a national title so why are they in. USC haven’t been in a conference with real competion for a while. what team in the SEC has won 6 or 7 straight conference championships in the last 2 or 3 decades. I don’t think it has happend and I don’t think it will ever happend. So until we get a better system, we will never see the best and most deserving teams play in the national title game.
By Truthman
December 3, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
One more item:
UGA would’ve taken either of those LSU or Tenn. teams to the woodshed Saturday night. UGA would’ve won by two touchdowns against either of them.
No brag, just fact!
By Bob
December 3, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
John, Duh? Every coach that had a team in the mix picked his team #1 or #2. Why wouldn’t he do that? At least the Ole Ball Coach didn’t pick Duke #1. Did Pete Caroll pick his team #1 or #2? Did he forget the Standford game. Did Stoops forget the Colorado and Texas Tech games?
And I have no problem with Tubs picking LSU #1, because I think they probably deserve it. But picking UGA behind Hawaii is a bit bizzare for a guy who constantly talks about how tough the SEC is. Whatever, it is their opinion and it really doesn’t matter much in the end.
By Eric1
December 3, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
Maybe UGA deserves to be in the national championship and maybe not. But one thing is for certain, LSWHO DOES NOT deserve to be there. I think the voters chose lsu at the beginning of the season and now they just want to prove themselves correct. It sucks, but who ya gonna call? Note to Tommy: either p-ss or step away from the pot. War EAGLE!!!
By General Neyland
December 3, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
Richt’s vote is the most outrageous. Mizzou and Kansas are much more legitimate than UGA who lost at home to lowly USC and got destroyed on the road at Tennessee. And Hawaii doesn’t deserve a BCS game, either. So the Sugar should make for an uneventful exhibition.
By G8TR
December 3, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
Like I said, graceless fans led by a Cane-playin’, Nole-coach dressed in Dawg clothing. Can’t even accept the Sugar Bowl with class.
By woodstockGT
December 3, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
UGA sucks. Ohio State would shut them down and beat them by 21 pts. After all , they beat Vandy by a last sec field goal.
By Truthman
December 3, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
Hey G8TR,
Last time I looked, “Mr. Heisman” Tim Tebow was still looking for his teeth at the Gatorbowl after UGA got through with him.
Go pound sand!!
By Bob
December 3, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
KR, Yeah whatever. If you believe that then logically Tubs should have voted Hawaii #1, not #4. The guy used the tough SEC argument till the sky fell when Auburn did get screwed in 04. Although they did not release the coaches votes then, I have a pretty strong suspicion that Richt had AU in that game.
Regardless, its his opinion and he is entitled to it. Lets see what happens on New Years night.
By Roswell Ed
December 3, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
This makes me angry and it shouldn’t because you know it’s going to happen.
How is Ohio St in this thing?
Their best win was against Michigan!!
Where is the “their out of conference schedule was too weak” argument?
They played the freaking Penguins, Zips and the Golden Flashes!!
That argument was made when an SEC Champion 13-0 team was left out of the argument in 2004.
What was #2 Okla’s best out of conference game that year?
An Oregon team that finished 5-6.
Getting back to OSU:
How was their situation different from UGA’s? Why did they get bumped up from three to one and UGA stalls?
Why wasn’t LSU ranked ahead of UGA before the final poll if everyone moved them 3-5 slots after a well deserved but lackluster win?
It reminds me of ‘85 when AU was 3rd, Texas was two and Neb was one.
Neb lost and a Ga team that AU had beaten a few weeks earlier beat Texas the only team that had beaten AU that year in I believe the first or 2nd game of the year!!
So 1 and 2 lost and 3 won. Logic sez that number 3 **would jump to #1,
but not in the great world of the **poll beauty pageant contest.
AU ended up third.
The win wasn’t pretty enough for the voters!!
What time is it in Texas Dog fans?
The bottom line is that UGA is not pretty enough for some of these voters.
There have been teams that have had UGA’s credentials but were considered a lot PRETTIER and got in to the champ game!!
ie. Neb and Okl.
What a freaking SHAME!!
I don’t mean to kick a man when he’s down, but does this finally convince the BULLDOG NATION that you’re not who you think you are? You’re not considered an attractive elite program nationwide.
Welcome to my world!!
One question to prove that to you deniers-
If So Cal were in your position last night:
WHO WOULD BE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME?
The BCS sucks hard!!
War Eagle!!
By Madison
December 3, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
G8TR, You evidently haven’t been reading this paper long or you would know that the sports page is published in Athens by the Red and Black staff.
By Villa Rica DAWG
December 3, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
So Tuberville had UGA and OSU at #5????
By 87dawg
December 3, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
By the way, UGA did win it’s division. They didn’t go to the Championship because of the head-to-head with tennessee that allowed ut to go.
I’m not so much annoyed that we won’t be in the NC as I am that LSU and Ohio State will be. This was the matchup the decision makes wanted all along and made it happen. I could see Oklahoma before these 2. I mean really, how many times do you get a shot at number one, blowing it each time (LSU)?
I still don’t understand how, knowing UGA wasn’t playing for the conference last week they still made them number 4. If they had no intention of putting them in the NC the voters should have had the padding of the team they really wanted in ranked at 4 and UGA at 5.
And for folks to vote UGA as low as number 10 is just plain stupidity and folks should be evaluated on their ability to be objective. Personal feelings or prejudices have no place in deciding the NC.
By Bob
December 3, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
General Neyland,
I am a bit surprised by your comments. Doesn’t sound like your normal rational self. Maybe it isn’t you. Your own coach voted Georgia #4. So I guess if Richt’s vote is outrageous, what does that make your coach’s vote….as he had UGA ranked ahead of both KU and Mizzou.
G8TR, enjoy Orlando. See if you can beat Michigan this time! Be thankful that UCLA gave you a shot last year. Our classless coach has finished ahead of your Gators 5 of last 6 years at the helm.
By Roswell Ed
December 3, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
One more thing:
What does the fact that LSU didn’t lose in regulation have anything to do with anything?
This isn’t hockey where you get a point if you lose in overtime is it?
LSU has lost twice since UGA lost!
Can you tell this ANGERS ME!!
By Reality
December 3, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
Truthman, your opinion is that GA would beat TN or LSU Saturday night. The reality is that TN already beat GA VERY handily and would more than likely do so again. The rest of the country also would have the opinion that LSU would beat GA if they played. The exact same thing was said last year after TN blew out GA in Athens. A month later the statements starting surfacing again that GA would now blow out TN because it was now playing better. The only way to solve these arguments is on the field, not on a blog amongst your own fans. Please try to be more objective and your arguments will have more validity. Congrats on a great season.
By Truthman
December 3, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
To all the Buckeye haters on this blog!
TOO FREAKIN’ BAD!!
That Yankee team you love to hate gets to play for the NC two years in a row.
You’re still mad because of the those great Ohioians Grant and Sherman destroying your lousy confederacy!!
Deal with it and go pound sand!!!
By billfrancisco
December 3, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
Bottom line. Georgia did not play for the SEC title. They could not lose and could not win. A team that does not win its own conference should not be a national champ.
By Dawgs
December 3, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Georgia should have won against SC and TN then they’d be in the NC on their own UNLESS they really got shafted by the vote. No worries, they’ll make it on their own in the next couple of years without the help of other teams winning, losing or from any coach’s vote. GO DAWGS!!!
By DOG FAN
December 3, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
Oklahoma lost the championship game in 2003 and went to the title game.
By Truthman
December 3, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
The UGA team of Dec. 1, 2007 would’ve beaten the LSU or UT team of Dec. 1, 2007.
You know it’s true, esp. when Ainge’s best receiver was the LSU secondary. UT should’ve won, but choked it away!
By who is KR?
December 3, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
UGA 45-Auburn 20..to answer your ridiculous comment..every team this year has bad games to bring back up..Oklahoma jumping UGA is unbelievable..The big 12 completely sux..kansas is a joke..Missou is a joke..no defense by either one of them..Colorado beating Oklahoma is like stanford beating USC.. Tenn was extremely fortunate to be in the title game and they know it..they should have lost three in a row to close out the season but got lucky on special teams and timely penalties..they have the 11th ranked sec defense..give me a break..and they have 4 losses now..UGA did lose two games but won dominating performances in other big national games…Tenn was blown out 3 times this year..completely blown out of the building 3 times..
By Bob
December 3, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Truthman,
Funny dude. For whatever Sherman and Grant did to the south the SEC has more than paid back the great Buckeye State.
How does this sound Truthman?
Florida 1-0 vs The Ohio State University; Auburn 1-0 vs the Ohio State University; Tennessee vs the Ohio State University; Georgia 1-0 vs the Ohio State University…that was for Atlanta dude; Alabama 2-0 vs the Ohio State University (and that doesn’t count the Kickoff Classic Game where Bama whupped you guys again) and the Coup de Grace..SOUTH CAROLINA 2-0 vs the Ohio State University. But just to show you we are an equal opportunity plunderer, we now let LSU pay you back. Pretty soon every state in the old Confederacy will have had a chance at payback. You guys really should be silent and only thought of as idiots instead of opening mouth and removing all doubt.
By timmythebrave
December 3, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
I am a huge ga fan and was wanting to go to the national championship. We are the hottest team right now and are playing better than anyone right now. That being said, we didn’t win our conference so I understand not being ranked above LSU. What is up with the BCS bowls. Why do they stay with conferences instead of giving us good match ups. I don’t see any of these games as great match ups! The only team with a legitimate complaint is Missouri. How did they not get picked over Kansas when they beat them head to head 2 weeks ago? Go dawgs and beat some rainbow butt in the sugar bowl
By bamadon
December 3, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
The bcs has more holes in it than swiss cheese. Why don’t they come up with a formula like division 2 prgorams have. Take the top 16 teams and have a play off with the bowl games as the locations!! A wish Georgia had played LSU and won!! But, LSU will beat OSU!!!
By mcdawg
December 3, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
as much as i pull for the SEC in inter-conference games, i just don’t think LSU should be there—perhaps after resting for a month they will look like a #1 team but they don’t appear to be a well-conditioned team-i would put Oklahoma in BCS over LSU-and Ohio State didn’t impress me this year-VT is NOT the #3 team in the country-rationally i don’t think dawgs deserve the title game but the BCS isn’t an objective process-we got the worst draw but regardless its now time to focus on the Sugar bowl and make a statement for ‘08
By TTDS
December 3, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
UGA - It must stand for ungratefull asses. You don’t win your conference but you expect (somehow) to qualify for a championship berth in the BCS. Stop reading Bradly in the AJC. He’s so misguided. I agree with all three polls which have LSU as #2 in all three. UGA is not #1 or #2 or even #3 in any poll so why blame the BCS selections? Better luck next year…
By ToccoaDawg
December 3, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
TRUTHMAN were not Buckeye haters but you know after two years from getting totaly dismanteled by two SEC foes your new name might be blackeyes. By the way Sherman&Grant had eight are nine men to the confedercys one. BUT THATS JUST A YANK. Ya had to go there didnt ya.
By Truthman
December 3, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
Hey Bob,
I went to UGA. I cheered for UGA in 1992 when we beat OSU.
I just know how nuts the Buckeye’s success drives all the flaggers down here!!
No, the preservation of the Union and the abolition of slavery was/is more important than any football game.
That was THE BIG GAME AND WE WON!!! In fact, when they teach about the Civil War in Ohio, the entire chapter is “WE WON!!!
Oooooo…you just got burned!!!
By Ramblin Wrecker
December 3, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
This may shock some of you UGA fans, but I think you got somewhat of a raw deal. But not because UGA somehow “earned” a spot in the title game, but because no one else did and UGA should have been the logical next team in line. The way I look at it, despite winning the SEC, LSU had two opportunities at #1 and couldn’t handle the pressure, losing both times. Ohio State & Missouri had #1 and couldn’t hold off other teams. Why not let UGA prove themselves? Under the current BCS rules, there is no reason UGA can’t be in the game. Do I think you should have to win your conference (or even division) to be national champ? Yes I do. But until the rules say otherwise, UGA has a legitimate gripe about being passed over. But all that said, UGA should be very pleased with their season. Leaving Knoxville weeks ago, no dawgs fan would have imagined they’d be in the Sugar Bowl at the end of the season. GT on the other hand has lots of work to do, starting with getting an energetic coach in here.
By Laurie
December 3, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Truthman, you are a moron. Ohio State won their conference, but I bet they couldn’t beat a AAAA high school team out of Georgia. Get real. When you play only Michigan and a Penn State team that is only marginal at best (and not even that good most years), it’s easy to have a cakewalk of a season. Yes, you do get to play for the NC two years in a row, and you will lose two in a row to the SEC. Hope that tastes good. I don’t think I’d be so quick to call the War Between the States to mind to try to insult people; it just shows that you are a barbaric redneck on top of being the aforementioned moron.
By Billy
December 3, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
JP, There are only 2 SEC teams in the top 10 in the BCS standings…The Big 12 is the conference the was jobbed by the “2 team only rule”. For the record are you saying that all SEC bowl eligible teams including a 6-6 South Carolina team that has lost 5 in a row is deserving to go to a bowl game even though they are eligible? Heck they only have 5 Division 1 wins?!?!
By borodawg
December 3, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
Some interesting UGA votes: Joe Glenn-10; Hall Mumme-9; Schnellenberger-8; Bob Stoops-8. We get no respect. lol There’s always gonna be controversy; even with a playoff system.
By Confused by the Rankings
December 3, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
I’m still confused as to why GA would be ranked over LSU before the SEC championship game if LSU is the “better” team. Why not put LSU at four and if they lose move them down instead of placing them lower and moving them up with a win?
By Gator Nation
December 3, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
College football is the most exciting sport and has the most exciting season of all the sports that we watch in America!!
And it has the biggest let down of all the sports too!! This year’s end of the season let down is the worst on record. And it is actually eroding my interest in the championship game and the sport overall.
College basketball’s season comes to furious and drama filled end with the conference and NCAA tournaments. You are left wanting more and waiting for next year’s season.
College football has all the build up of the first time you go to bed with a woman and all the let down of it “ending” before the fun has begun.
I am so frustrated by this process!
By AKDawg
December 3, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
As a teacher, I give students grades based on their most recent performance, and not based solely on what they did the first month of school. The leap frogging over Georgia by LSU, Oklahoma, and Virginia Tech is like giving a student an A on his/her report card, and then calling home a week later and saying that the grade is now a B- because, “Oh I changed my mind.” The pollsters screwed up, and the system is flawed. Maybe the BCS should leave the final vote to an independent panel of 5. I think a panel of second-graders would agree that the system isn’t equitable.
By LSU Rocks
December 3, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Doggies, win your conference. Then you won’t have to whine your way in.
By Rob
December 3, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
Please show me the rule that says you have to win your conference to play in the national title game.
I’m waiting.
By Jake
December 3, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
SOUR GRAPES Belotti from the Ducks voted OU 8th, 3 spots behind a MO team that they beat twice during the season. Thanks to the Ol’Ball Coach for giving Stoops some props and voting OU #1.
Bottom line for all the whiners, if you lose at home you should not get a shot. Ovetime or not. Road games are more difficult but still there is no excuse to lose to a 6-6 team when you are supposed to be elite.
Boomer Sooner
By Bob
December 3, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
Truthman,
You are a fool and I don’t care if you went to Oxford. You are the numnut that brought up Grant and Sherman. Your Buckeyes are WINLESS against the SEC. Now you can color it anyway you want, but winless is winless. Sieglos if you prefer it in German.
You guys have never beaten us in anything so why should we be jealous? There are certainly positives to be taken from seeing you guys get it handed to you again on January 8.
But I am sure the ole standbys will soon arise. Lets see, we had such a long layoff. Why is that? Well, we don’t like to play in the cold after Thanksgiving. Oh, wait a minute. Don’t we always tell the SEC teams that they are “afraid” to come up north and play us in the “cold”. And if that doesn’t work, guess we can always say it is like an SEC home game because for some reason the Bowls are played in warm weather places. Yeah, Phoenix is real SEC territory.
Ohio State has a great tradition, but don’t tell us we are jealous of your success. We might be when you guys start beating us. Michigan can talk…you guys are winless.
By Truthman
December 3, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
Laurie,
Gotchya!! Man, I love it when the flaggers get involved!!!
“Fergit, Hell!” “War Between the States.” All old confederate code words for hate and bigotry!
Did you know ALL OF US WERE BLACK 80,000 YEARS AGO AND THAT BLACKS WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE ON EARTH!?!
Go Dawgs!!
By Truthman
December 3, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
Do you mean Oxford University in the U.K., or Emory at Oxford out past Covington?
We’ll all know Jan. 7.
By Tville Dawg
December 3, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
I love all the jawing about this team would beat that team. Sadly, you get one shot in college football and you have to live with the results. Perhaps the DAWGS would have avenged the earlier loss against TENN had they faced them in the title game. Woulda, shoulda, coulda. It’s a moot point. Losing to South Carolina put us in an only if situation.
The pollsters rewarded the resurgent DAWGS by voting them into a BCS position. I for one am not a BCS basher. The BCS responds to what happens on the field, and if it has been a wild and wacky year, it is certainly not the fault of the BCS system. Our wins against FLA, AU, and Tech, etc were certainly noticed and rewarded.
In this day of parity amongst teams, could people not accept the fact that there may not be a crystal clear No 1 and No 2 teams. I love the fact that CMR stood up for the team, played the politics, and after the results came in, let go of it.
Let’s focus on Hawaii and the Sugar Bowl. Also, guys, we have nine SEC teams in bowl games. Let’s support the SEC. Even (gulp) the gators.
By DawgFan
December 3, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
Hey Les, we are undefeated in the 1st quarter MORON! Georgia should be playing the the NC because that is how the ratings have always worked. Well until this weeks sham. I have never witnessed anyone jumping that many teams without anyone losing. This is a media game hyped by ESPN and others like Tony Barnyard. Tony you should be ashamed of yourself. You are a proclaimed Georgia man but you go so far to be objective that you don’t support Ga in any way. Your columns are a joke and how do you dare call yourself Mr. College Football. You are as big a joke as the BCS process is. CMR is right, this whole thing was nothing more than a beauty contest, had absolutely nothing to do with football and achievements made on the field. LSU should be in Orlando based on the number times they have blown their chances. John Parker Wilson should be running for Gov. of Lousiana for the gift he gave Les’s losers.
By TF
December 3, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
The Big Ten, Pac 10, and Big East have an advantage. With no conference championship game they sit idle, don’t loose and maintain their position or as the case of OH State move up. If teams are measured under the same criteria for BCS consideration then level the “playing field”.
By Bob
December 3, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
Truthman,
No, the final seconds will tick off around 00:01 in New Orleans. But you are right in once case, it will be over long before that.
Good luck.
By timmythebrave
December 3, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
To me the national championship is always a joke. It should not even be called a national championship. The official title should “The opinion championship”. Or the ESPN championship since they have so much influence over it. If it’s all about the number of losses than Hawaii should be playing Ohio St or Kansas for the NC. If it’s about how you are playing lately than UGA and OK should be #1, 2. Ohio St and LSU have only won 1 game in a row. The people that argue that the regular season is the playoff than both the #1 and #2 should be out since they lost 2 weeks ago. Start a playoff now
By stephenw
December 3, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
The individual coaches poll is good to know, but I would like to see the previous week’s voting, and compare their UGA vote this week and last. I imagine it would be in sharp contrast. It seems to me that the voters thought UGA was the 4th best team, but only if they were not in the running for the NC. I understand the Conf. champion argument, but the voters knew that last week when they voted UGA ahead of LSU, OU, and VT.
By Kirk
December 3, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
Interesting, Ohio State (1-0), USC (1-0), ASU (0-1), Kansas (0-1) and Hawaii (1-0) played only one team each that made the final season ending rankings. On the other end of the spectrum, LSU played five teams that made the final poll with a record of 4-1. The lone loss being a 3OT game to Arkansas. The next two teams would be Virginia Tech (2-2) and Missouri (2-2) which played four teams that made the final regular season poll. Va Tech was annihilated by LSU early in the season. Looks like the LSU Tigers are the most battle prepared team. OSU better bring their A game to the BCS to make it close. The Tigers close out the season with a 28-14 victory in New Orleans.
By It's my opinion!
December 3, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
I believe that UGA shouuld’ve been no less than #3. Based on the fact that LSU lost twice since the Bulldogs lost to UT. Have anyone noticed the disrespect the BCS have showned to VT. VT should be playing OSU. UGA beat the HEll out of Hawaii and then schedule Wyoming next year!
By Kona
December 3, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
Hawaii got robbed and are being bashed for a perfect season. I hope they crush UGA. GO WARRIORS!!
Kona Tempe, AZ
By paul
December 3, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
i dont understand why everybody is crying about georgia didnt win the sec championship but it was not a problem when neb,ou, and tenn did the same thing and to prove that this is a joke why usc did not move up when everybody said that uga and usc is the best two teams in the nation right now its about money lsu is vegas team from earlier this year and they made sure there team is in the game
By GOVOLS98
December 3, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
Common phrases from UGA fans: Would have, could have, if, and but.
By The Willster
December 3, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
The fact remains that we need a playoff in DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL. This is another reason why. UGA didnt really get snubbed, I know some people think so, but I dont, and this is coming from a UGA fan myself. I do believe LSU deserves to be in the title game, but Ohio State does not. The Buckeyes didnt play anybody this year, other than perhaps Illinois, who beat them on their home field. Michigan-NAH, they werent even ranked when OSU played them. So I hope this opens some eyes as to why we need a playoff, especially after this debacle of a rankings system.
By G8TR
December 3, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this
To everyone who keeps bringing up that NEB and OKLA in years’ past went to the BCS w/o being conference champs, you’ve forgotten that the BSC corrected the system after those years to put more weight (2/3) on human polls so that the computers would not cause this illogic to happen again. It’s not a rule, like your incessantly ridiculous coach tries to claim, it’s logic… You all haven’t had enough of a whiff of a national title since the early 1980s to have followed this, of course. To compare your “suffering” this year to 2004 Auburn, which went undefeated wire-to-wire that year (including winning the SECCG), is patently ridiculous. Obviously, the nation did not hear your coach’s whining (or, more truthfully, his argument was groundless) and the polls show it. Why not support your conference, which makes your case for you when the merits are there? All the other SEC teams are not so juvenile — they pull for our conference champ to go all the way. This is one of the things that separates us from the Big 10, etc. Your ranting is embarrassing and will come back to haunt you when a “hot team” is on your tail if ever UGA is our conference champ again….What a bunch of short-sighted wanna-be’s with a coach to match.
By dwill
December 3, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
Remember how they voted and make sure you run it up on them every chance you get. 50-0 in the third quarter, 4th down, 1 yard, your own territory. GO FOR IT !!!!!!!
By MAC
December 3, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Maybe I missed something but every coach that thought his team should be in the title game voted his team #1, except one…GA. What does that say? Even the coach doesn’t think they are the best so why do the fans keep whining about? Stand up for your team and vote them #1 if you believe it. Nice guys finish last.
By ALL of this is a Big Joke
December 3, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this
Anarchy reigns here. The polls, the BCS, a big sham. Until playoffs this will remain a disgrace to college football and sports as a whole.
By jj
December 3, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
What I’m reading here, most UGA fans have no respect for their own conference. Your conference set the rules for advancement, and your teams all agreed. Now you don’t like it. Will you say the same thing next year if YOU win the SEC title? NO. Thats called hypocrisy.
As for Ohio State - They played their schedule according to their conference rules and they came in 1st. It is what it is. If you want to complain about them not playing a championship game, talk to your own powers that be, as they think it is more important to get the money from the ATL game. The SEC made that choice - live with it or have it changed, but quit whining.
And GA was not playing the best football in the nation as many here have claimed. Good record - yes, best football - no. Good football would have destroyed GT, but lady luck helped win that game. So be thankful with what you have, and take care of business next year instead of whining.
By mrj
December 3, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
OSU had a down year in scheduling this year. The schedules are completed way in advance (years) of the season. How could OSU have known how bad Washington was going to be this season? I guarantee that they ar emuch better next season. Forget that OSU played home-n-home with Texas Longhorns the last two years? Next year they start a home-n-home with Southern Cal 2008-9, then Miami Hurricanes 2010-11, Cal Bears 2012-13, VT 2014-5, then Oklahoma 2016-7. Who else schedules these HUGE matchups early in the season? OSU has done all that they needed to in a mixed up season from every Conference and deserve their shot and this spot in the BCS game.
By UGA 78
December 3, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
G8TR:
42-30 is just eating you up, isn’t it?!
By Larry
December 3, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
Bob, you almost make some excellent points, but your facts are not correct. OSU is 1-0-1 vs LSU (home and home in 87-88). Les Miles might say that LSU is undefeated vs Ohio State in regulation outside of Columbus.
By ToccoaDawg
December 3, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
LOL {dwill}I here ya. We will not forget. And to them a good reminder
By Tim M
December 3, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
I would love to see how these coaches voted last week compared to this week. The only team that played better than they have up to this point was Oklahoma. Virginia Tech might have shown that they were a little bit better than they have been playing.
LSU surely didn’t impress me with any vast improvement in the way they played in the SEC Game versus how they played the last month of the season. I think it is a joke for people to move them up 4 or 5 spots on their ballot based on the way they played their game this week. They were very fortunate to beat Tennessee, who were very fortunate to win agains Vandy and Kentucky the last two weeks of the regular season.
By pfffft
December 3, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
87dawg; they didnt win the division. they had same record as tenn, but got whalloped head to head, losing the tie breaker. thats why tenn was playing and uga was at home watching and working on excuses. and people, please quit complaining some conf having a champ game, and some not. your commishioner made it happen, not the bcs folks. seemed like a good idea then, but how many #1/#2 teams have had it bite them in the end? i hate osu but they are the only 1 loss team. and like hawaii or not they are undefeated and tried to get the majors to sched them. as bad as it seems, remember it could be worse, you could be a ND fan.
By Bob
December 3, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Larry,
I think we were talking about bowl games my friend. You will note that I did not include the 4 games the Bucks played against UK and Vandy in the Regular Season before the 50s. I did not say that Bama was 3-0, I said they were 2-0. In bowl games, which I think is what is to occur on January 7-8, OSU is 0-8 against the SEC.
Now, that does not mean a thing as far as this year goes. I know that. I was responding to one of your fellow Buckeye fans who for some reason decided to bring up 1) the Civil War and 2) the “supposed” jealousy SEC fans have for Ohio State.
Look, I have high regards for the Buckeyes. They have a storied history and deserve kudos. But as it started again last night on ESPN, we do not need to hear again how the Buckeyes are going to smack LSU around. You would think that we had heard that enough last year. Let em play and then we will see. For 53 days minus 2 weeks all we heard was how Florida did not deserve to be in the game and how OSU and Michigan were the greatest teams in history.
As I said, let em play and we will see.
By DawgFan
December 3, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
Kirk, it should be really obvious that how many teams LSU played that are in the final rankings is useless. Useless because the rankings are a sham. Just media types picking who they want to cover and for what. ESPN felt guilty about the Jerk Herbavore comment so they made up for it by pushing LSU for their 3rd try at being No. 1 for this year. Most schools don’t get that many chance in a decade. Their really is no championship game this season.
By G8TR
December 3, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Actually, it’s those three measly UGA wins over UF since 1990 and no UGA NCs since 1980 (to our two) that keeps us smiling.
By Dawgincartersville
December 3, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
Dawgs should be in the champ game and everyone knows it. We lost to the gamecocks, but that was early in the season so it doesn’t count. We lost to tenn but we really hadn’t found our best running back yet. So, at worst we only had one loss. The Dawgs tradetion alone should have gotten them in the championshep game. LSU has not football tradetion like UGA - we have 7 national championships and should have been allowed to win number 8. Go Dawgs!
By DawgFan
December 3, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
JJ, what an idiot. Lady Luck did not catch those touchdown passes or make 40 yard touchdown runs agains tech. Lady Luck did smile on tech with some fumbled punts that we had not done all year. But your humble bumbles were to slow and pathetic to fall on them. Lady Luck played a roll in that game but she favored tech and not Georgia. Funny how perception really does play a factor in judgement. Go Dawgs! The real 2007 National Champions. Oh and what SEC rules are you referring to? There is no rule that have ever limited SEC schools with regards to a championship possibility. This idea was created by Jirk Herbavore.
By Salt Dawg
December 3, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
I love the high school homecoming comment that was great. The BCS is a fashion show right now. The coaches of the SEC needs to stick together like the coaches of the Big Ten and vote LSU and GA in the top 3. I understand the logic of winning your conference, so the Pac-10,Big Ten and the Big East needs to have a conference championship game so that this will never happen again. I really hope the Buckeyes get their title this year so that people can really see that LSU is not cracked up to be the team that everyone wants them to be. They have not been the same since the injury to Glenn Dorsey and that’s not the signs of a true champion football TEAM!
By UGA 78
December 3, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
G8TR:
Oh, so it’s ancient history, now, is it? Bragging rights are based on THIS year’s game, in case you forgot. If you want to talk about the past, then don’t forget to mention that UGA is still way ahead of UF in the all-time series.
It kills me how you young gators think that the series started in 1990.
By Bob
December 3, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
Hey G8TR,
If you want to talk history we can talk recent 42-30 and six sacks or we can cover the gamut….maybe 46-37. How about National Titles…2 to 2. You have the most recent ones, but then again we were undefeated in our latest. Lets look at SEC titles…how about 12-7. Then again we never had to give up one for cheating, but save that for another day. Finally, even after winning 4 of the last 6 years you guys have only finished ahead of Georgia one time. Recent history, past history, whatever G8TR. Enjoy your trip to Orlando and for goodness sakes, beat those Wolverines for once.
By DawgFan
December 3, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
G8TR Baitor, if Georgia had lost to your lizards this year and beaten Tenn instead of mopping the field with T BONE we would be playing for the National Championship this year. Georgia is better than Florida and LSU. Just ask your coach Oscar Meyer and Auburn Coach Tommy TwoFace.
By Merculf
December 3, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
You guys are bashing Tubberville for voting an undefeated team over a 2 loss team? If he had voted for UGA wouldn’t that make him a hypocrite? Shoot, your coach didn’t even vote his own team no. 1. Give Tommy some slack here.
By G8TRH8TR
December 3, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this
G8TR If you have a problem with the AJC not covering your team, maybe you should read a Fla rag.
By john
December 3, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
So UGA, which doesn’t even win its division, deserves to be in the Championship Game? On what planet?
By DawgFan
December 3, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
Cancel all Press passes for Georgia Games next year. Make these press scumbags pay their way in like everyone else. UGA should boycott playing on ESPN or ABC next year.
By DawgFan
December 3, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
Merculf, Tommy TwoFace voted the way he did not because of any high appreciation of Hawaii. He did so because he recruits against Ga. Not many Georgia Boys or Alabama boys end up committing to the Rainbow warriors. Tommy TwoFace is a scumbag. Strange to since I was just starting to like him a bit after the crap he pulled at Ole Miss with trying to change all the Rebel stuff down there. He would sell his mother for a quarterback.
By DawgFan
December 3, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
Earth John, where you live. The place that gives LSU 3 chances in one season to win a national championship. Retard.
By DawgProud
December 3, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this
Yeah John, 3rd planet from the Sun. That bight object in the sky. Look out your window if you have one in that padded room you’re in.
By boomer bob
December 3, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
Let’s face it. The BCS isn’t going anywhere quickly. The computer rankings are a joke. Any system which doesn’t recognize head to head results as a compelling factor in the final rankings is invalid by definition. OU beats Missouri twice in the same season and is ranked higher? Of course, Bobby Bowden ranked us 10th also in a human poll. OU did not deserve to be in the championship game but they were certainly deserving of being in the top 5 of every poll, human or machine.
By Reality
December 3, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
Don’t worry Dawg fans, your best days are ahead of you. You really didn’t do what you had to do this year, plain and simple. Yes, I’m sure on any given day, you could beat LSU, and they could also beat you. You got drummed by Tennessee when it counted, and that alone should make you realize why you’re on the outside looking in.
By Bob
December 3, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
boomer bob,
I could not agree more with your points. On the other hand, Stoops rated UGA 8th. We should not be in the BCS game, but 8th? There are some interesting votes out there, but the coaches have a right to their opinion. Clearly conference loyalty played a big part in most of their ratings.
By jayfuss1
December 3, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
Do any of you people who keep bringing up the fact that LSU beat Tennessee and Georgia lost to them also realize that Georgia beat Kentucky and LSU lost to them. Why is no one bringing that up?????
By TebowOwnsYourSoul
December 3, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
I’m just p** there isn’t a single SEC vs PAC10 matchup! The SEC vs Big10 is played out and not even a real contest. I agree the UGA vs Hawaii matchup sucks because the Dawgs are really in a lose/lose situation, nothing to gain. Why the F is Illinois in the Rose Bowl, they are going to get destroyed. I want to see USC vs UGA in that game. Also, how in the world can you justify Kansas in the Orange Bowl over Missouri? Dawg fans feel like they got the shaft.. but seriously, nothing like Missouri going from #1 to not in a BCS game at all!
By Go Dawgs
December 3, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
As a UGA fan I happen to agree with the outcome based on the current system. The problem is the system is not designed to match the two best teams. Continuing to reward average big conference teams playing crappy schedules is crazy. An 8 team playoff would acomplish both rewarding the best teams over the entire year and allowing a better team playing a difficult schedule a chance to prove in a playoff that despite having 1-2 losses they are still far better than an undefeated or 1 loss crappy big 10 team! Again, LSU deserves the spot in the NCG based on the current system but you have to be blind to believe they are playing better than UGA/USC/OK.
Furthermore the BSC bowl games decided to follow “TRADITION” instead of coming up good match ups. USC vs. Ill are you kidding me…UGA vs. Hawaii…Kansas in the Orange Bowl…this is easily the least interesting match ups overall in the past 20 years. I hope the ratings are horrible especially the Rose Bowl who absolutely blew an opportunity to match up 2 of the best teams in the country.
The BCS blows!
By DawgProud
December 3, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
Reality, the facts are that you never know what will happen next year. Injuries can ruin a season, just look at Oregon. You have to take the opportunites when they are offered and Georgia had the chance based on the rankings. The only way to keep Georgia out was to construct some major hurdles outside of the normal movement of the polls. That is exactly what happened. Jirk Herbshott and the rest of the espn has beens did not want Georgia to play OSU but wanted a team OSU could beat. OSU can beat LSU, but could not have beaten Georgia and they know it. Herbshit was protecting his alam mater and using ESPN to do it.
By Reality
December 3, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Western Carolina, Troy, Tulane, Louisianna Tech, Middle Tenn, Utah State, North Texas, Tulsa.
Ohio State did not play any of these power houses but UGA, LSU and OU did. Take your talk of cupcake scheduling and shove it. Quit whinning and crying and learn a little something about the system you play in. It’s never been perfect but it’s what we got. As long as your playing in it accept the results. Grow up children!
By The Rifleman
December 3, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Look for the Warriors to light up the Dog secondary like a Christmas tree.
Dog Fans, this is going to be ugly when you lose.
Afterwards, will most of you post how CMR should get fired like you did after the TN game?
Just curious….
By Bob
December 3, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
Look I think LSU was more deserving. What still torques me is Herbstreit, Holtz and Corso talked all weekend about Georgia not even deserving of a shot. That is fair enough if that is your opinion and I really don’t disagree that much.
That being said, these same three guys screamed to anyone who would listen last year that Michigan should get a second chance at Ohio State. Ummmm, Michigan did not win their conference either. Michigan lost in the Big Ten’s Defacto Championship game against Ohio State. Can someone explain this one to me?
Like I said in my mind if you don’t win the conference you should not be in the game. But what is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
By The Ole Ball Coach
December 3, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
BCS = Biased Crooked System
College Football needs a playoff top 8 upto 16 teams should get it done. Auburn and Georgia have both been screwed - your turns a coming………. Unless your The Ohio State.
I seen several coaches interviewed as well as media who make statements like well I don’t get to watch that much football…. well have do you know who in the crap to vote for…. A Play-off is needed.
By BUSHWACKER
December 3, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Lets show some class and acknowledge we had a great season but any team with 2 losses cannot complain.
Honestly, HAWAII got the shaft not us.
Let’s spank the only undefeated team left and see where we end up in the other polls.
Then we got out and go 28 - 0 and win it all in 2008 and 2009.
By Bob
December 3, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Reality,
Akron, Kent State, Youngstown State, Washingon….
That is your complete OOC.
You conveniently forgot Va. Tech, Oklahoma State and Ga. Tech. Go play Massilon next year to complete the Ohio highschool championships.
By War Eagle
December 3, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
Reality, UGA played Western Carolina and Troy which equivalent to Indiana, Perdue while Buckeyes played Youngstown State, Akron, Kent State and Minnesota who lost to North Dakota State.Big Ten schedules are not in the same atmosphere as SEC… Bad analysis
By cooter11
December 3, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
uga hottest team…just ask any dog! LOL
By mc
December 3, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
Actually OSU is 1-0-1 all time against the might LSU Tigers. Even Earle Bruce could take care of those guys. The last time a Tressel team matched up with the mighty Miles, the Cowboys were favorites and got beat like a drum by a back up quarterback with a bum leg, along with Ted Ginn taking several snaps at qb.
By Eric1
December 3, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
LSWho and Leslie Miles suck! I hope OSU beats the crap out of ‘em !!!
By john
December 3, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Only a delusional UGA fan would think the team that WON their division and WON their Conference Championship game should not go in favor of a team that did NOT even win their division.
They must sell some cheap acid in Athens.
By TybeeDawg
December 3, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
Notre Dame has a longer winning streak than the 2 teams in the BCS Championship game!
By SCTIGER
December 3, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Having lived in Athens for a few years I had my fill of DAWG fans. They are completely myopic. I moved to Athens from Baton Rouge (an LSU alum) right after LSU won the BCS in 2004. During that season LSU beat UGA twice but all you would hear from those guys was how much better UGA was than LSU and everyone else. The sad part is that it wasn’t normal trash talk but delusions of grandeur that they always have. I was born in GA and root for the DAWGS ( my five year old likes them more than than LSU) but get a grip! Win your games, especially against South Carolina and seek treatment for your hate of all things Spurrier.
By ugabdogs
December 3, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
As a UGA fan, It is extremely insulting to have someone call Mark Richt “ungracious”. He is the best thing to happen to college football in years. He is nothing but a class act. He didn’t vote his team #1 because he didn’t feel they were, he felt they were #2. Logically, all the voters and polls put UGA #4 last week, and the #1 and #2 teams lost, so therefore he felt #3 and #4 should move up. Wow! what an amazing concept!!! That is actually what the BCS was designed to do. There is no rule in place saying you must win a conference championship to be in the championship, even though Richt said it made since, it is not a rule now. I didn’t see Ohio State play last week in a conference championship game, but there is no argument that they do not hold a title.
The fact is that UGA had a great season, we lost 2 games to ranked opponents and beat 4 ranked opponents in our last 6 games. Most teams didn’t play 6 ranked teams during their season. We will now go and play the only undefeated team in college football, who by BCS standards, should be playing for the championship, and after the dogfight with a tough Hawaii team, we will see how everything shakes out.
To everyone who hates the Dawgs, keep an I on us next year, we will be the ones leading the nation!!!
By ugabdogs
December 3, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
As a UGA fan, It is extremely insulting to have someone call Mark Richt “ungracious”. He is the best thing to happen to college football in years. He is nothing but a class act. He didn’t vote his team #1 because he didn’t feel they were, he felt they were #2. Logically, all the voters and polls put UGA #4 last week, and the #1 and #2 teams lost, so therefore he felt #3 and #4 should move up. Wow! what an amazing concept!!! That is actually what the BCS was designed to do. There is no rule in place saying you must win a conference championship to be in the championship, even though Richt said it made since, it is not a rule now. I didn’t see Ohio State play last week in a conference championship game, but there is no argument that they do not hold a title.
The fact is that UGA had a great season, we lost 2 games to ranked opponents and beat 4 ranked opponents in our last 6 games. Most teams didn’t play 6 ranked teams during their season. We will now go and play the only undefeated team in college football, who by BCS standards, should be playing for the championship, and after the dogfight with a tough Hawaii team, we will see how everything shakes out.
To everyone who hates the Dawgs, keep an eye on us next year, we will be the ones leading the nation!!!
By Bob
December 3, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
mc, You are correct. They are 1-0-1 in regulars season games against LSU. Meanwhile you are 0-9 against Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama and for goodness sakes, SOUTH CAROLINA.
By War Eagle
December 3, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
Coach War Eagle top 5 picks in the BCS> 1. LSU, 2. Oklahoma 3.USC 4. UGA 5. Ohio State.. The reason I selected Ohio State 5th was they were champs out of a weak conference, plus a very soft schedule.LSU is best team, I will be rooting for LSU hoping SEC wins two NC in a row..
By minookadawg
December 3, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
Black out the dome? BLACK OUT THE GAME!!! UGA v Haw = BORING!!!!! Another trip to sUGAr bowl= BORING!!!! Give UGA USC or OK!!!!
By noyellowinthisblood
December 3, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
I don’t care how bad fans of the Dawgs (like me) feel the team got screwed. It is what it is and we will lay the wood on June and the boys. All SEC fans need to be pulling for LSU because the nation again needs to see the SEC’s vastly superior brand of football run over OSU for the second year in a row.
By mc
December 3, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
The first South Carolina loss was the best loss ever for the program. It spelled the doom of the Cooper era. As to the rematch, OSU had a remarkable comeback that almost won the game. That was not a very good team but pointed to great things to come. I.E. national championship the next year. Against another team from south of the Mason Dixon filled with a ton of NFL type players. i.e. Miami. Last year the Buckeyes were fat and lazy, Malcolm Jenkins even made a slight rip at Heisman Troy worrying more about that then the game agains UF that the whole world told them they did not even need to show up and play. This year I promise they will be ready to play and again there is a ton of NFL talent on the roster. Playing in LSU’s second home only will add to the bunker mentality and focus for the team.
By Jefferson
December 3, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
Georgia did not take care of SC or TN this year so anyone can argue that they do not deserve the MNC game. They are one of the best teams in the country today and ALOT of people would agree, they would beat any of the current top 5 teams. With that said, OSU is less deserving and will get their a$$ kicked again by the SEC. (OSU has lost 8 straight vs SEC). Then all you Big 10 elitists and football wannabes, listen up…UGA, UF, TN, AU, all in the SEC East, and all with young stars. They will pound the Big 10 for the next three or four years! If you are from a Big 10 school, the future is dim.
By Undefeated
December 3, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Of course if we had a legitimate playoff system like all other NCAA sports including the football divisions “formerly known as D1-AA, D-II & D-III” then none of this arbitrary ranking nonsense would matter.
All college football fans must demand an NCAA type playoff system for D-1A football NOW!!! Moreover, death to the Bowl demagogues, especially ESPN (The self appointed Commissioner of ALL Sports) and all TV network money-kingpins: FOX, CBS, and NBC.
Finally, each and every college football fan (Especially you LSU and Ohio St) should look at themselves in the mirror and say, “NO MORE PAPER CHAMPIONS!” This year the BCScam helped your school. Next year it may be UGA or Michigan or OU. If the NCAA doesn’t go to an eight team playoff (at the very least) then a true champion will not be crowned.
True college football fans must end this travesty or the money (Bowls & TV) , coaches with obvious agendas, uninformed writers and computers will continue to name a paper champion.
By KR
December 3, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Someone further up the posts asked, “who is KR?”
I said I understood Tuberville’s voting; I didn’t say I necessarily agreed with it. I’m just a college football fan with an opinion, just like everyone else on this blog.
I believe going undefeated in a season should have the utmost importance in rankings.
I believe the entire season counts, not just the last ( _ ) games.
I believe a loss is a loss; doesn’t matter whether it came early or late in the season.
I believe the importance of Out Of Conference games is overrated. Win your conference.
I believe conference winners should rank higher than those who didn’t.
I believe winners of a conference championship game should rank higher than conference winners without a championship game.
I believe teams that get to the conference championship games and lose should rank higher than those that don’t get to the games at all.
I believe there should be a playoff.
WAR EAGLE!
By Bob
December 3, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
mc,
Miami…south??? yeah geographically it is. Not an SEC team either.
Yeah I know about last year. Fat, lazy, not paying attention. Too long of a time off (51 days vice 37) as if for some reason you keep your momentum with only 37 days off. Playing in the south…oh, wait, that one doesn’t work does it? You know, Florida didn’t exactly squeek by you guys last year.
I am sure you will come out fired up. At least I would like to believe you would. Of course you have two more weeks off than LSU does so I am sure that will make a difference again.
Good luck.
By A.B.
December 3, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
Although a few teams may have a legitimate gripe, none have one more than Missouri. They really got hosed. A team they beat (Kansas) rather convincingly is going to a BCS bowl (Orange) while they are going to the Cotton. What were the pollsters and coaches thinking?
By Exley DAWG
December 3, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
I never thought I would live to see the day when college football mirrored politics. Oh the humanity!!!!!!
By The Ole Ball Coach
December 3, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
Well Mr.Reality
Just what power houses did The mystically great OSU play - Akron Youngtowns State Kent State wow Looks like OSU is at least the Ohio state Champion. Well nope they did not play Cincy who would kick their can.
Play-Off is the only way.
By robert murner
December 3, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
to fbreese; you don’t get out much do you? Every coach in the Big? 1 is going to vote for the team in their con- ference that has a chance for the bcs game. That is NOT fair and impartial the way that this poll should be. As long as that scenario exists this bcs w system will NEVER be right.
By robert murner
December 3, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
to fbreese; you don’t get out much do you? Every coach in the Big? 10 is going to vote for the team in their con- ference that has a chance for the bcs game. That is NOT fair and impartial the way that this poll should be. As long as that scenario exists this bcs w system will NEVER be right.
By War Eagle
December 3, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
KR, I agree with you on all opinions, conference champs should be priority over all selections.. Clemson is going to be tough for Auburn especially if the team shows up to play and thinks the game is next day as in Wisconsin 2005. UGA is in same melt down as Auburn 2004.
By LongforDodd
December 3, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
Hey Barnhardt
Are you the “southern football expert” that colin cowherd said fed him and herbsrteit the “miles to michigan” nugget of truth?
By monty
December 3, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
CMR has more class and integrity in his little pinky than Les Miles has in his entire being. What a whiner, then he comes out with all this macho vebrato that sounds like a professional wrestler.I hopr they lose even if they are from the SEC.
By Joey A
December 3, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
I kind of assumed we would be black balled out simply because we are not an “ESPN Darling.” Maybe I should have said not a Kirk Herbstreit, Mark May, or Lee Corso darling. Herbstreit even mentioned Georgia and USC were the two hottest teams in the Country right now but LSU and Ohio State were most deserving. Wait a minute, hold the press, don’t we want the hottest teams in the land placed on the “big stage?” Truth is, bias aside, I feel Georgia would whip Ohio State or LSU convincingly! I feel as if Ohio State was rewarded for remaining idle while Georgia was punished. Why didn’t LSU, Oklahoma or Virginia Tech leap Ohio State? Who has Ohio State played? Nobody! Even the “Lord of Lord” ESPN analysts mentioned the fact Ohio State had a soft schedule but turned right around and said the deserve to be there. Obviously strength of schedule means nothing. Since it doesn’t, why not put a 12-0 Hawaii team in the National Championship? They do not get placed there because people tear apart their “High School” schedule and make their case on it. I’ve always been told “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” Not in College Football it seems. No, Georgia did not win the SEC Championship but you’ll have to agree, the SEC is a little different than most conferences. Realistically, you could lose one East or West game and be left out of the Championship game. More importantly, it could be blatantly obvious the third best SEC team could mop the field with winners from other conferences. I think every conference should have to have a conference championship game. It is not fair for the conferences who do have to play an extra game. You run the risk of injury, mental and physical fatigue. If all conferences had to play a championship game, it makes it a little more fair. Unless something changes, Ohio State will have the opportunity to back in every year. They may have to get up for three games a year while every week in the SEC you have to play at your best. There was a nationwide poll last night asking if Ohio State and LSU were the best two teams in College Football. 67% said no. The only “yes” percentage points came from Louisiana and Ohio. What does this tell us? Even more disgusting is how openly Herbstreit and co started lobbying for LSU / Ohio State as soon as 1 and 2 went down. I’m sorry but they swayed people’s voting. They said Georgia didn’t deserve it because they didn’t win the SEC. Ok, but show me where the BCS rules state you have to be a conference winner to play for the National Championship. As Richt said “we have been trying to get the BCS to make it a rule but nothing has been changed to this point, so why now is it an issue.” You see, there are “media darlings” who have exceptions made for them. How else do you explain this mess? A solution would be a playoff system. Why can it work in every other collegiate sport except football? I do not wish to make this a SEC vs every other conference comparison. I just want to see a game I am so passionate about have a level playing field. Yes, I know Georgia hurt ourselves with the losses to Tenn. and SC. However, if you want to get technical, we did beat a Florida team which destroyed Tenn. We also beat a Kentucky team which beat LSU. Our losses were early. LSU’s were not. This is why I am p** over this. However,look at the football we have been playing since the losses. I am really disgusted with the final results this year. I only hope “the powers that be” are able to somehow realize the BCS isn’t fair. I hope voters will learn to block out the lobbying by ESPN analysts. Miles nor Tressell had to lobby, Herbstreit and the “so called” guru’s did it for them. Merry Christmas Herbstreit, May and Corso. You got your wish at the expense of more deserving teams. Holtz, go slobber on yourself, you make me sick!
By LongforDodd
December 3, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
Hey Richt
A beauty contest? Maybe you need to go back to the tanning salon. You’re tan is fading fast.
Or did Damon buy you a tanning machine for your home?
By Jim
December 3, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
Put any of the top six SEC teams in any of the other conferences and they would be undefeated. I have a suggestion: Put a “B” team in each conference from a SEC team and they would be very competitive. The SEC teams just beat each other up and then the BCS and ESPN faints over the other conference winnters who have victories over Akron, Youngstown State, and Kent State. USC, LSU, Georgia and Florida will have blowouts! What will that tell you??
By mc
December 3, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
Bob, I did not say Um is Dixie, I said south, which the last I checked it is. My point was the media in 2002 was busy explaining to us all that no clod hoppers from Ohio had a chance against all those kids from Florida. As to the critism of the schedule, Youngstown State is Tressel’s former team, he was throwing them a bone. Washintgon turned out bad, but they are as much if not more respectible to schedule then Oklahoma State, the other two games are against MAC schools, a league that happens to have a lot more NFL players then the Sunbelt, the last I checked. Ohio State is under orders to schedule MAC schools from within Ohio for non conference games, when not scheduling their annual BCS out of conference game, Southern California then OU anyone? to keep the money in state. The only legit critique is that the Big Ten should schedule another in conference game for the 12 game, such as the Pac 10 has done to allow for a true round robin, obviously the 10 ten would need to add two more to make it full round robin, but before you cast stones at OSU, OSU has to play Um and Penn State every year, thus, they have the most difficult schedule in the Big 10 every year, guaranteed.
By War Eagle
December 3, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this
Joey A, how would you feel if you were 12-0, won SEC, never behind but twice the whole season and had a “showcase” backfield, all #1 drafts picks, plus all SEC backfield, NO NC game, played VaTech in Sugar Bowl. Its not a fun trip, I really feel your pain,… been there…
By Bob
December 3, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
mc, Not casting stones. I know that the Big Ten puts some restrictions on their teams and makes them play MAC teams. Still Clemson beat the MAC Champ 70-14 this year.
But some of the SEC teams have similar restrictions. Ga, Fla and SC have in state, BCS conference rivals that they must play. I know OSU usually plays a very tough team and certainly their future schedules which include USC, OU and Va Tech are very impressive. UGA plays Arizona State, Clemson, Oregon and Louisville too. But we play those in addition to Tech. In 09 it is at Oklahoma State, ASU in Athens and Tech in Atlanta…in addition to Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee and Florida.
OSU does play UM and Penn State every year, but they do not play Wisconsin every year (last year for instance).
I understand that the OSU and UGA ADs are looking at a home and home for 13 and 14. I thought both teams already had major games scheduled that year…us Clemson and you guys Va Tech. If this is true, they would both have pretty arduous OOC schedules.
Anyway, I absolutely respect OSU and their tradition. In the heat of the SEC and Big Ten rivalry there is going to be lots of smack. We will see what happens in January.
By john
December 3, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
SEC, please, do we have to listen to your whining every year. Last year Florida, this year Miles-we weren’t beat in regulation-only in triple overtime, twice. Bottom line, on planet earth they are losses. However, on planet SEC they aren’t. Advice-drop your title game and make it more fair for yourselves; or, drop the NC game and simply declare yourselves champs. Which is kind of what you do anyway. Oklahoma is far more deserving of the right to play Ohio State.
By The Big Bug
December 3, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this
Your chance to play for the NC began in September. Morons!I am an even bigger idiot for reading this drivel. UGA is not a top ten team.They didn’t even win their division! My time would be better spent talking to a stump.Richt votes his team #2? The horror! The man is devoid of dignity.
By john
December 3, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Hey, Mississippi State also DID NOT win their division, maybe they should play in the Championship game?
By jj
December 3, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
dawgpofan,
You are the winner of the hypocrite award. Too blinded by dawg slobber to see the truth. Lets switch GA/LSU, now GA has just won the SEC Champ. game - you telling me you think LSU should go to the BCS game? Hell no you wouldn’t. GT game - can you say touchback. Lady luck was on your side, again too blind to see. Only an idiot calls others an idiot.
By Mr. Carlton
December 3, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this
Santa Claus please bring us a playoff system…..
Signed. Mark Richt Bob Stoops June Jones Frank Beamer
By coachchrs
December 3, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this
The saddest thing in all of this…..none of what any of us says matters. The powers that be will select who they wish by whatever means they think necessary. Remember 12-0 Auburn? What about Ok that lost their conference title game and still played for the NC? There is no fairness at all. I am a huge UGA fan, and am disappointed that they are not playing in the big game, but what about all of the other teams that got screwed? There are several other teams that have a legitimate argument to play in the game but….. and until the ncaa joins the rest of the world it wont get any better. The only way to make these people understand how the fan feels is to hit them in the only way they will understand…in their pocketbooks. The whole rotten BCS is a disgrace. I will again cheer for the SEC team, and as an aside to the idiot from the north who keeps referring to the Civil War…..0-8 that’s OSU’s record against the SEC in bowl games…..why dont you pound on that sand for a while.
By The Big Bug
December 3, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this
I hereby declare the Falcons worthy of being a Super-Bowl participant by the same above logic.They are playing without their starting quarterback. They would have been undefeated otherwise. They should be playing for the Super-Bowl championship.They are the hottest team in football except for a few things beyond their control.
By BAMADAWG
December 3, 2007 7:33 PM | Link to this
Hey Brad & T-ville,Ya’ll are thinking the same as myself.I bleed red&black big time. We were just a game off. It’s not that we are not going,I just can’t see it being LSU, & I like them and have alot of friends there. Hey WAR EAGLE,12-0 &sec champs and still no shot,that,s wrong.And to GT8R,shut the f*ck up.
By Medawg
December 3, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this
I am a UGA alum and I huge fan of the Dawgs, however, I am not surprised the UGA didn’t make it to the title game. They didn’t take care of business during the regular season and didn’t even play for the SEC title. What I am upset with and people seem to be ignoring is that teams like Va Tech and Okla got shafted because almighty ESPN wanted the LSU-OSU match up and low and behold thats what they got. Okla lost to at Texas Tech when their QB was injured and Va Tech hasn’t lost since the end of October. Okla bet Mizzou (#1 at the time) by 21 in their title game. VT beat BC by 16 in their title game, and LSU beat Tenn by only 7. Why LSU? What is so great about them? They haven’t played a good game in a month and a half. I don’t care if they lost two games in overtime. The second best time in the country shouldn’t lose the last game of the season, while ranked #1 at home and then still get to play for the national title.
By Jeff
December 3, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this
There’s one way to stop all of the confusion of who’s deservint to be called #1, have a playoff system as the Division 2 schools. This way the “BEST” two schools will play for the National Championship, be it two from the SEC, Big 10, Pac 10, ACC etc… The BCS has been noghing but BS from the start. Money is the driving force behind the BCS anyway, not who has the nations best team.
By JB
December 3, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this
LSU, 2007 NCAA BCS Welfare Recipient. They’ve been given chance after chance to prove themselves, but both times they were #1 they lost. But I guess down there in the bayou they feel entitled to welfare.
By Mike T.
December 3, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this
LSU is in the title game courtesy of a gift from Eric Ainge.
By Mike T.
December 3, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
Does anybody remember the Oklahoma debacle a few years ago? They got blasted by Kansas State in the Big 12 title game and still got a bid.
The rules all change when its Oklahoma or Florida. If Florida had our situation and was ranked number 4 last week,no way LSU would have jump them in the poll. Floeida would have moved up to number 2,maybe even 1.We just got the shaft.Not only fir the BCS TITLE GAME but also from the Rose Bowl.
By jed
December 3, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this
Playoffs won’t stop the confusion. Whatever cutoff is established will still leave someone out and then the selection criteria will also be debated. Leave it alone and enjoy going to whatever game you get. After all, it is just a game. Many people in this world have much bigger problems than who gets to go to the BCS game.
By PM
December 3, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
I have been asking Tony for 2 years now to find out “how” coaches do their voting. What if any guidelines/procedures are in place? (I GUESS NONE). Do they just start with a blank sheet every week or do they have their ranking from the week before to go from? How much variance is there from week to week (particularly) down the stretch? I just think the whole voting process is FUBAR too which makes the BSC process FUBAR. How come we never hear any information on the voting process? Why did the UGA coach have a blank in one of his slots? How many other coaches turned in sloppy ballots with strange stuff on them during the season? I realize their has to be some secrecy to it, but there should be a small group who oversees things and questions strange stuff (like voting UGA over LSU last week).
By War Eagle
December 3, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this
Medawg, you have point, but LSU did win SEC title game with back up QB, plus injuries have hit them relative hard in a couple of games. I agree Oklahoma and USC could have been playing for title. VT was out because LSU 41-7 win was too lopsided for BCS to vote them ahead of LSU. UGA came on strong too late, they played lackluster against Tenn and SC, and it cost them.
By dawg in sc
December 3, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this
There are some really ignorant people posting on here. It’s perfectly fine to say you think other teams might be better than UGA, but stop with the “you have to win your conference championship” BS. There’s a reason the BCS decided NOT to make this a rule. We would have easily had a situation where Oklahoma was ranked outside the top 10 but won their conference, TN beat LSU in the SEC championship and BC beat VT in the ACC championship. Are you idiots really saying that in this situation a team outside the top 10 should vault all the way to #2? Of course not… this is the reason winning a conference championship is not a requirement. Again, claim that you just think LSU is better, that’s fine. But stop showing your ignorance by stating you have to win your conference. With the way parity has set in these days, there are just too many scenarios where that just wouldn’t make sense.
By Gator lady
December 3, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this
DawginCartersville:
So basically, UGA’s two losses shouldn’t count because…one was between the hedges to a mediocre SC team, and the other was a beating in the woodshed in Knoxville? Or because one was early in the season and in the other Moreno hadn’t turned it on yet? Brilliant. How can the BCS ignore an undefeated team?!?!
You, sir, are an idiot, and give other UGA fans a bad name. That is all.
By ugacarguy
December 3, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this
Everyone join me in sending emails to some of these idiots.
Coach Glenn at Wyoming: cglenn1@uwyo.edu
By War Eagle
December 3, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this
ugacarguy… as a former coach…GROW UP
By JB
December 3, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
Gator lady, why not, not count UGA’s two losses? According to Miles, LSU was undefeated, because they didn’t lose any of there ‘regulation’ games. Guess overtime losses to unranked teams don’t count in the bayou.
By johnnye
December 3, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this
Tony,
Did Georgia get shafted by the BCS selection process by not being selected to play in the BCS Championship Game? It depends. It depends on what assumption you believe those who are casting the vote have incorporated into their voting logic.
If the assumption is that the voter looks at each week independently of all other weeks and places no emphasis on the previous week’s ballot, then Georgia did NOT get shafted. LSU had the same conference record as Ga. and they won the SEC championship game against one of the SEC teams that beat Ga. in the regular season. I do believe Oklahoma did get shafted.
If however, the assumption is that teams advance weekly in the polls primarily through attrition, and I do believe this is the way the polls have worked all season long, then Ga. most certainly did get shafted. Case in point, both Missouri and West Va. ascended to number 1 and 2 not so much by their own good works, but because those teams in front of them lost. The same could be said for Ohio State in the last BCS poll. Both the number 1 and 2 teams lost, and the number 3 team, Ohio State, advanced to number 1 not because of anything they did, but because those in front of them lost. Ga. on the other hand had previously been voted to number 4 in the BCS, but when the number 1 and 2 teams lost, they were suddenly thrown into a beauty contest with several other teams instead of following Ohio State up the polls to number 2 in a manner consistent with previous weeks poll and the way Ohio State was treated.
Again, did Ga. get shafted? It all depends on what assumption you make around the logic used by the voters. At the very least, the voters should be consistent in their logic and all teams should be voted on using the same logic.
By DawgBone
December 3, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this
It’s laughable for anyone to talk about how lucky Georgia is. I watched every televised LSU game and they have to be the luckiest team (except UT).
All I hear is UT pounded Georgia and LSU beat UT. I can use the same logic - Georgia pounded KY but LSU lost to KY. Georgia has a 6 game winning streak. Notre Dame has a longer win streak going than both LSU & OSU. LSU went from 1….to 7 last week when they lost to 2? OSU goes up (by not playing) while Georgia goes down (by not playing)? Anybody who doesn’t see that as unfair is blind.
The BCS is supposed to match the 2 best football teams and until they add a stipulation requiring a conference championship Georgia should not be penalized for not winning a conference.
OSU has a cupcake schedule and they are being rewarded for it. Anyone take a peek at Georgia’s schedule next year. Besides playing FL, UT, LSU, Bama, KY & SC we have an away game at Arizona State who finished 10-2. What cream puffs does OSU have in line for next year?
This year more than any other SCREAMS FOR A PLAYOFF. Instead the NCAA is more interested in the PAYOFF.
DAWGBONE
By Gen Neyland
December 3, 2007 10:54 PM | Link to this
The chatter of conference champions being given precedent over non-conference champions is fine with me. The conference that actually plays and crowns a champ ( e.g. LSU, Oklahoma, VT ), should find their way to the BCSNCG before the ones that sit at home while others do battle to EARN a better spot in the BCS…This includes the PAC as well as the BIG 10…I’ll say, GO LSU…Send them Bucky’s packing…
By Gen Neyland
December 3, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this
DawgBone
Good grief…I know you’re a good Dawg, but man, your logic is flawed. We are all lucky, skilled, get good and bad breaks, etc…and who knows what AZ ST will return in 2008…Think, Sir, Think…
BTW, UT had THREE freshmen playing in the secondary Saturday…3…in a Championship game…3…
By Gen Neyland
December 3, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this
…and that was 3 at the same time, 4th quarter…gave up but one offensive TD, pass, to LSU all night…Futures are bright all around…but Dawgs and Gators get the early nod from me going toward 2008…Good Luck Dawgs…
By chris
December 3, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
First of all I am a huge dawgs fan and this is tough to stomach as a UGA alum.
However the BCS decision is actually giving HUGE props to the SEC. They had a mess, no clear winner and they got out of it by taking the SEC champ. Never again will there be a Auburn situation. Any SEC champ with any shot at NT will get in the game. This could help UGA over the next 3 years as they should compete for the title for a couple of yrs now. This is not even UGA’s best team in the last couple of years so it is hard to justify playing for the NT. UGA will kill Haw, LSU will roll as well. Next years preseaon poll will be UGA, UF, LSU probably 1, 2 and 3. If any of these three teams wins the conference with only 1 loss they will play for NT.
By The REAL NC GAME
December 3, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this
UGA vs Hawaii —- The only undefeated team against the nation’s hottest team. This is the TRUE National Championship game folks. Start spreading the news!!
By Keno
December 4, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this
If Hawaii plays against Georgia the way they did against Washington in the last three quarters of that game—watch out! I guarantee the Sugar Bowl will be one of the most entertaining games. Remember Boise State beat Oklahoma in a bowl, and Hawaii is better.
By kajun
December 4, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this
if awl ewe little puppydawgs would please march yo whinybutts to lake lanier and shed yo tears ewe could raise the water level enough for a 12 month drinkin supply…when youre done there call the suicide hotline and get the pity ewe deserve…GEAUX TIGERS!!!!
By Michael
December 4, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
Are there really Gators on here gripping about the Bullldogs?? Seriously, after we best them this year, hold the series advantage and they still need to win a bowl game for once? Yes, you best OSU last year, but who EVERYONE in the SEC does that. Please concentrate on beating Michigan.
By kajun
December 4, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this
heya little whinya** puppydawgz…take your tears to lake lanier…you could raise the water level for a 12 month water supply…then call the suicide hotline and get the sympathy you deserve…GEAUX TIGERS
By Bruce
December 4, 2007 12:24 AM | Link to this
Tony Barnhart’s report on how the coaches voted is a masterful expose’ on why the coaches poll should not be included in the BCS format. Too much bitterness and jealousy clouds the perspective. At least there’s soldarity among the elite eleven (or Big 10, or Big Two + Nine, or whatever they are).
By jeff
December 4, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this
Someone explain how Bobby Bowden can have Missouri at 5 and Oklahoma at 10 after OU beat them twice!!!
By boots
December 4, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this
Hey, Kajun, the worst thing about going to the Sugar Bowl is that it is in that hellhole city of New Orleans where only those who could not steal automobiles and thugs are still living there off my tax dollars. Is it safe to even go back in the Superdome? Well, enjoy your moment in the sun, because we will kick your a$$ next year in your loser state.
By lsutigerman
December 4, 2007 3:04 AM | Link to this
All you dogs should stop howling. The coaches made a mistake putting you ahead of LSU in the polls last week. LSU should have been at #5. LSU has beaten 5 teams in the top 20. They did not get beat by any team in 60 minutes of play. No other team can say that. Georgia should have beaten Tennesse and they could be playing on Jan. 7.
Stop all the crying!!!
By lsutigerman
December 4, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this
I can’t wait to hear the crying when Georgia gets beat in the Sugar Bowl.
By lsutigerman
December 4, 2007 3:13 AM | Link to this
I can’t wait to hear the crying when Georgia gets beat in the Sugar Bowl. I usually always pull for all the SEC teams in the bowl games, but the way you dawgs are acting, forget it.
By Matt
December 4, 2007 5:56 AM | Link to this
I never thought I’d see the day that Georgia fans would be complaining about a weak non-conference schedule. What a joke. When was the last time UGA went out of state to play a non-conference game? Answer: Never. You people are a bunch of pathetic losers. YOU LOST BY THREE TOUCHDOWNS to UT and at home to a 6-6 team. You don’t deserve anything!!
By nsnstv
December 4, 2007 6:21 AM | Link to this
Don’t you dawg fans get it? Nobody outside of the SEC thinks you’re NC caliber. Stop losing games you’re supposed to win(SC).
By EarsOn
December 4, 2007 6:53 AM | Link to this
It was being widely discussed (and is now backed up by the polling results) the reason that most SEC coaches and several coaches outside of the SEC (talk to Wyoming) downgraded Georgia in the final poll. This was due to their viewing of the incident by Richt’s team after the first touchdown against the Gators and the subsequent lack of fine or censure by the NCAA or SEC. Ask around, check it out. Maybe Richt will think before he does that again.
By cliff
December 4, 2007 7:24 AM | Link to this
Lsutiger—girl Is looking at that situation from the wrong direction it is not that LSU has not been beaten in regulation , He must be a democrat for they are the worlds best at twisting things around to suite themselves . He should be thinking that two lower rated teams took them to the woodshed and pulled of to well played upsets of the high and mighty LSU. They {LSU} could not beat them in three overtimes. Now that is what happened . It is not the lsu tigers it’s the lsu pu$$y cats.
By decatur dawg
December 4, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this
Okay, for the last time! FORGET ABOUT IT DAWG FANS! It was a shot, granted a very, very, long shot, that we had at the NC game. It didn’t happen. The right teams are in the NC game. Get over it! Please try to be objective once in your life! Look at the positive, if, and I do mean “IF”, we beat Hawaii, we will primed to be ranked high in the polls next year starting off, probably top 3. We will be better next year. We also have a much tougher schedule than this year. So, we will probably lose at least one game, maybe not, but let’s say we lose to LSU on 10/25/08, we could still be in the NC hunt by winning out. So bottom line, we will be in a prime position next year. Let’s take any momentum from this year, parlay that into a magical ‘08!
Also, Boots, you are an idiot and must be either a racist(I feel racist tones in your “thugs” comments) or just plain stupid. Probably a little of both. You embarrass me as a fellow Bulldawg! NOLA is a great town! I have some of my best times there, I have been to Jazzfests, Mardi Gras, and also for Football games, including that great game in Baton Rouge where of all people Quincy Carter beat the Tigers. Man, we partied it up on Bourbon Street! Anyway, NOLA went through a lot with Katrina, and your comments just flat out suck!
Loser!
By hatfieldgeoff
December 4, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this
I don’t mind that UGA was left out of NC game. I really expected it. My only complaint is that the BCS rules (both written and otherwise eliminate all the good bowl matchup. USCv.Ga would have been a game to rival the National Championship as far as interest goes. Georgia could have played USC and Illinois could have played Hawaii. This is also the third time now in BCS and UGA has got the shaft each time. In 2002 we had to play a 4-loss FSU team. In 2005 it was W. Virginia and now its Hawaii. I’m not saying the teams aren’t worthy I just saying UGA has been in a no-win situation all three times. If you win, you get no credit because you were supposed to win and if you lose (or even if its close) everyone says you were not as good as thought.) By the way the team that really got screwed by BCS was Missouri. They beat Illinois and Kansas, soundly and have to sit back and watch these two get BCS bids. No that is a joke!
By Bob
December 4, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this
EarsOn,
Most coaches polled thought it was a good move by Richt. Stoops probably did not because he has a close attachment to the Gators. Otherwise, I don’t believe that has anything at all to do with it.
But I do believe that a lot of coaches feel strongly about winning conference championships. I also think coaches vote for their conference for the most part. Look Stoops voted for all three Big XII teams over LSU. Now that is conference homerism. Others did similar things.
By Bob
December 4, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this
I agree totally with DecaturDawg. Time to get over with this crap. Yeah there is no rule that says you must be a conference champion. But, if you have 3 or 4 highly ranked conference champs with equal or better records they are going to get more “gravitas”. LSU won what most of us believe is the best conference in America. How much sense would it have made to not select them over another team from that said conference. I think it should have been LSU and OU, but it is what it is.
The other thing is, I am getting tired of hearing Dawg fans complain about Hawaii. There were no options here. The ROSE was not allowed to choose UGA…period. Not that they would have anyway, but that gave them some cover. They should have picked Mizzou, but chose to keep their tradition. The SUGAR had to choose Hawaii.
Now lets see…Hawaii is ranked 10th in the nation. That is higher than Illinois and only one position behind OU’s opponent (WVU) and two positions behind Va. Tech’s opponent (KU). They have a Heisman candidate, are undefeated and will have big time national attention after what Boise did last year. You know, its not like we are playing unranked Michigan in Orlando or something. Sheeesh.
By john
December 4, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
Why don’t we just rank SEC teams 1-12 for all eternity. Will that make everyone happy then?
By Spock
December 4, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
First, I grew up in the southwest and have lived in the midwest. Now I live in Georgia and am a UGA fan. My younger brother is a UGA grad. The thing we have to admit is that no matter how much we love the Dawgs, people outside the southeast do not have enormous respect for our program. UGA is not mentioned in the same breath with Ohio State by people in Texas or with USC by folks in Indiana. Right now we simply do not have the tradition that those teams have - or that LSU, Forida, Oklahoma, and sadly even Michigan has. That explains why Michigan could lose to Ap State and get routed by Oregon at home and still climb up to number 11 in the polls before the last two games of the season. I believe CMR has us on track to soon be fighting for SEC and BCS championships every year. And Evans scheduling a game at Arizona State next year will help us get more national notice - win or lose. Let’s face it, there are only a couple of SEC teams that ever play outside the southeast, and UGA is not one of them. You have to do that to get respect nationally. Now it looks like we are going to. On the BCS mess this year, I think we have to admit that we had two bad losses - at least as bad as the ones LSU had - and they won the SEC championship. If we are going to tout the SEC as the best conference in football, how can we argue that LSU does not deserve to play for the national championship? Hopefully, next year will be our turn.
By Jumbo
December 4, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
I’m a long time LSU season ticket holder and obviously I am thrilled to be in the NC game. I do think this year there is no dominating team as any of probably 7 or 8 teams could probably win it all in a playoff which we know won’t ever happen. I do think the Rose Bowl is a bunch of old geezers not with the times. They should have picked UGA to play SC. I think Missouri, at number 6 and ranked ahead of Kansas, got screwed as well dropping to the Cotton Bowl. My top 5 for next year in order: OU, SC, UGA, Ohio St & FL.
I think all of those teams will be strong.
By jonnye
December 4, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
Here’s the key point everyone is missing regarding the position that UGA got disregarded for play in the NC game.
The voters (coaches) were completely consistent in their votes from week to week for 15 weeks leading up to the last poll. You can go back and look at the weekly results. Everytime the 1, 2, 3, or 4 team lost, the team right behind the losing team moved up. Specifically, go back and look at the weeks of October 7, November 11 and 25.
The voting logic completely changed however for the last coaches poll for Georgia ONLY. The number 1 and 2 teams, Missouri and WV, lost, and consistent with the previous 15 weeks, the number 3 team, Ohio State ascended to the # 1 spot. However, Ga. suddenly became disregarded as a viable candidate for the # 2 spot apparently because they did not win their conference. This was a complete shift in the way they had been previously ranked and the way the coaches had voted the previous 15 weeks.
The problem for me, and I believe most Dog fans is twofold. First, there was an obvious shift in the way the coaches thought about their vote compared to the previous 15 weeks. Secondly, this shift in logic apparently did not apply to Ohio State. If it had been, there is no way you could have voted Ohio State over Oklahoma who won their Conference championship by beating the # 1 ranked team in the country by 18 points!!! Ohio State will argue that they only lost 1 game, but have you looked at their schedule? It includes wins over such powerhouses as Youngtown State, Kent State, Akron and of course Michigan who lost to Division 2 App. State in the season opener.
If the coaches had wanted to vote the two most deserving teams into the NC game, they would have voted for LSU and Oklahoma. They got one right, and Georgia unfortunately had to pay the price for Ohio State’s entry fee.
By Tdog
December 4, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
No team deserves 3 chances at the national championship. LSU got an “unprestdented” 3 chances. If you don’t win your confrance you shoulden’t qualify and if you loose the # 1 ranking twice you don’t qualify.The yankee liberal biase has been satified they got there ohio state 0-8 against SEC and a yankee led LSU team. Ohio state is a joke they can’t beat a good team, but they don’t have to. just look at their schedule. Ohio state will get their clock cleaned for the second year in a row and still be ranked in the top 10 to open next year, woulden’t want to penalise the pressious buckeyes for being an average team.
By humbug
December 4, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
WIN. LOSE, OR SHAFTED UGA IS MY TEAM.
By Randy
December 4, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
Get off the Rose Bowl kick doggies. It just shows that you do not know college football or the rules of the post season bowls by your statements. That along with the posts that say Florida should have also been in a BCS bowl are proof.
You listened to all the hype, got you hopes inflated by all the artificial talk and now can’t handle it.
Now the puppy nation is wanting to boycott the Sugar Bowl. Classy fans you all are!
You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!
By mcdawg
December 4, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Howard Schellenberger had us #8-didn’t Richt play for him at Miami??
By Tdog
December 4, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
If I were Mark richt I would use the screwing the liberal BS system gave us to motivate his team. If you don’t want to give a corrupt orginasion bcs the power, you have to win all your games, keep the power in your hands.many others do not, ous,lsu mich,usc any fla team neb.So tell the boys the truth even tho Mark Richt has the 4th highest winning percentage of any active coach in the country, while playing the toughest schedule in the country. We will be screwed if we don’t win all our games. Ga will never be given the second chance to be ranked #1, much less a third opportunity that a media darling gets.
By Tdog
December 4, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
As far as the ROSE bowl.Those left coast wimps diden’t want the Rose bowl throphy to reside in athens GA. Smart move to avoid that. Just would have exposed USC. As far as GA not wanting to play strong out of confrance games, GA wanted to play USC,USC ducked a strong appoinet, not GA.
By Being Real
December 4, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
I’m sick of all the “win your conference” and then we’ll talk crap. Georgia technically tied their conference. Ohio State only ended up number 1 in their conference for two reasons….1 they don’t play anyone….2 they don’t have a conference championship. IF the BCS was so concerned about Georgia not winning their conference, WHY were they ranked number 4 last week? They were good enough to be there last week but not this week. I think the BCS just got caught with their pants down.
By UGAfans=clueless
December 4, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
Those of you saying USC/Rose Bowl ducked UGA need to read up on the bowl selection rules. Once LSU was chosen for the NC game, the Sugar Bowl got to choose their SEC rep BEFORE the Rose Bowl picked. Without UGA, Illinios from the Big 10 was the obvious choice for them. People are saying these are the worst matchups ever, but that’s what they said about Oklahoma Boise last year, so watch out for those underdogs…
By Creek Critter
December 4, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
There are pretty equal reasons on both sides of the LSU-Georgia debate. With LSU winning the championship the nod goes to LSU. The real problem is Ohio State and strength of schedule. T. Moore says Auburn should not be upset about winning their championship and being undefeated because the played 3 patsies that year. Akron, Youngstown, Kent State, Washington. And throw in the weakest conference of the big six. Where should this put Ohio State. They don’t play the last two weeks and continue to move up. VT, Georgia, Okla, and USC all should have jumped over OS. No way should Georgia, whose strength of schedule is 10X harder than OH, drop in the rankings. No way can this make sense. Next problem is the bowl tie-ins. Illinois, who also did not play the last two weeks, vaults to the highest paying bowl. What’s up with that. Why would anybody on the east coast watch Ill-USC. Owners of the TV rights to these bowls should be howling. T. Moore just has to dump on Georgia because the worst team in the nation is Notre Dame.
By b******
December 4, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Ok Morons, take your mama’s teet out of your moth and listen. No where in any rule book does it state that a conference title is a prerequisite for entry into the national championship game. Everybody can twist and turn any argument to their favor but the bottom line is the poll’s, all of them, rendered themselves absolutely useless with the political bs pulled over the past week, and that includes the jackoff’s at espn, especially Herbstreit,, what a moron. As for the argument of coaches poll counting because they have the knowledge about the game, maybe this is true, but if anyone on this board can’t read the coaches vote and not see the political b****** in the votes you have no business whatsoever flapping your gums about anything having to do with any sport. And LSU’s miles hollering,” we didn’t get beat in regulation.” what a moron, I guess that means there really ain’t 2 losses on your record, same as UGA. Go take the Michigan job A** clown.
By Dog the Gator Hunter
December 4, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Other than the fact that he coached at South Carolina and Georgia is a conference rival, does anyone know the source of Lou Holtz’s obvious hatred of UGA? Mark May also seems to have issues with Georgia, but if so they are not as obvious as Holtz’s. He can barely conceal his contempt for Georgia.
By Mr D
December 4, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
At least win the division next time before you start bantering. The BCS would surely be more of a laughing stock that it already is if a non-division winning, non-conference winning team went to the NC game.
By John
December 4, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this
The coach’s poll should be deemed irrelevant and discontinued. As for Georgia, beat Tennessee and play in your Conference title game and then we will talk. No way you can move into the NC game while you sit idle (unless your Ohio State)… THis system stinks, we need a plus one, and YOU HAVE TO WIN YOUR CONFERENCE TO BE CONSIDERED!!!!!
By Ed
December 4, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
“At least win the division next time before you start bantering. The BCS would surely be more of a laughing stock that it already is if a non-division winning, non-conference winning team went to the NC game.”
Nonsense. The Dawgs went 10-2 overall, 6-2 in the SEC during the regular season. That’s the EXACT same regular season record that LSU had, and no one else in the conference had a better record than those two. It so happens that Tennessee also went 6-2 and won the tiebreaker against Georgia after pulling out a couple of miracles (really, choke jobs by Vandy and UK). Unfortunately only two teams can go to Atlanta, and Georgia was the odd team out. But they were the odd team out only because they were tied with two other teams for the best conference record and lost the tiebreaker, not because someone else had a better record.
To say that LSU’s 10-2 (6-2) season was somehow more deserving than Georgia’s 10-2 (6-2) season because LSU didn’t have to deal with a tiebreaker (in a weak SEC West) that prevented them from advancing to the SECC game is ridiculous.
Having said that, Georgia lost twice and really has no room to gripe. Kansas at 11-1 and Hawaii at 12-0 have plenty of room to gripe. Kansas tied Missouri for the overall best record in the Big XII (7-1, OU was 6-2), but lost the tiebreaker and couldn’t advance to the conference championship game. Hawaii may have played a weak schedule, but who else can say they ran the table this year? LSU on the other hand is now getting a THIRD chance at the title after blowing it twice before. Maybe they’ll want it a little more this time and fare better against OSU than they did against Kentucky and Arkansas, but I’m skeptical.
By john
December 4, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
Sorry Dawg fans. But this is based on the season, not when the team decided to get it together. If the Dawgs wanted to play in the championship game, they should’ve thought about that when SC and UT came up on the schedule.
I agree the system stinks, but you cries of “shafted” and “bias” is more whining than anything. Keep complaining and feeling disappointed, I’m sure Hawai’i won’t mind.
By Don G.
December 4, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
Either Bobby Bowden is senile or bitter! He voted Oklahoma 10th place and Missouri 6th place. The Sooners beat Missouri by 10 points in the early season and demolished them by 21 points last Saturday. My guess is the the old guy is still bitter over the loss to Oklahoma in the 2000 Orange Bowl for the national championship. Shame on you Coach…your voting privileges should be taken from you!
By Ed
December 4, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
Scrap the conference title games and add another regular season conference game (that would spare us matchups against La-Monroe and Western KY). This year, Georgia would have tied LSU and Tennessee for the SEC championship, but if each team had to play an extra game, then a three-way tie would be much less likely. A Georgia-LSU matchup or Tennessee-LSU matchup would have eliminated at least one of the teams this year.
Under this system, LSU would have won outright in 2005 with a 7-1 record instead of having to beat 6-2 Georgia in the SECC game, which they didn’t. Under this system, a 7-1 Tennessee team wouldn’t have to prove themselves against a 5-3 LSU team like 2001, ruining their chance for a national title when they lost. It’s tough to play teams that are just glad to be there and have nothing to lose.
Kansas would have tied Missouri for the Big XII this year at 7-1, and OU would not be conference champions because they were 6-2 (if they wanted to be conference champs, they shouldn’t have layed an egg against Texas Tech).
That would put the conferences on an equal footing. That way Big 10 and Pac-10 schools will not be either penalized or rewarded (OSU) for not playing a conference championship game, and schools like Georgia and Kansas will not be penalized for finishing in a tie for the best conference record but losing a tiebreaker. Schools like Missouri will not finish with the best conference record and be forced to beat a team like OU that finished with a worse conference record.
Also, bring back ties. These basketball-score-producing triple overtimes make a joke of the game. Some of the best games in history were ties, like the historic 10-10 Notre Dame-MSU tie of about 35 years ago, the 31-31 UF-FSU game in (‘93 or ‘94?) that lead to a Sugar Bowl rematch, etc. The prospect of a tie resulted in many last-second attempts at a two point conversion (Miami and Nebraska in the ‘84 Orange Bowl). We may have seen Alabama go for two to beat Georgia this year instead of the anticlimatic overtime we had (a result I liked, though).
College football is a great game, but it was much better under the old system. A team snubbed in the mythical championship game could still earn a split title if it had a great bowl performance (I think Nebraska did that once in the 80s). That’s possible today, but less likely. And stop the incessant rules tinkering. Kickoffs from the 35 worked out just fine, and the tees allowed for 60 yard plus field goal attempts.
I love college football, but I’m afraid the powers that be are going to eventually screw it up beyond recognition.
By Ed
December 4, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
John, if LSU wanted to play for the national title they should have taken care of business against Kentucky and/or Arkansas (either one would suffice). They fact that they didn’t, and still get a third shot at the NC is a joke. I like LSU, but they deserve to be in the title game about as much as Georgia, especially after that lackluster effort against Tennessee.
I agree that Georgia fans shouldn’t whine, but we are told that a Georgia team that tied for the best overall record and best conference record in the SEC is somehow less deserving than say Oklahoma, who had only the third best conference record in the Big XII but advanced to the conference championship game because they won a mediocre Big XII South this year.
Of all the arguments I’ve heard, the requirement that a NC contender has to be a conference title winner is the weakest. Especially when the other NC game participant, Ohio State, didn’t have to play a conference championship game. Under the Big 10 system, Oklahoma would have finished third in their conference and Georgia, Tenn. and LSU would be co-champs in theirs. Presumably, you would have no problem with Georgia advancing to the title game if they were co-SEC champs. There’s no rhyme or reason to the BCS mess.
By DawgByte
December 4, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this
There is a reason Hal Mumme is coaching at New Mexico State. He’s a little slow upstairs!
By john
December 4, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
Um, Ed? LSU did take care of business. See, there’s this thing called the SEC Championship game. It’s where they decide who wins the SEC. LSU won that game, they won the conference. In fact, they beat a team that smacked UGA. Interesting, isn’t it?
By Dog the Gator Hunter
December 4, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
War Eagle: Nothing that a 2-loss Georgia team is going through today compares to the screwing that Auburn got in 2004 after going 13-0. The system is in chaos. If anything the BCS allows teams that lose late in the season to play for the nat. champ., when that used to be almost impossible.
By PercyHarvinFan
December 4, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
I hear rumblings that a plus one will be supported by the Old Man Establishment after this year or after the current BCS contract runs its course in 2011. The New York Times reports that two possible “plus one” scenarios are being considered: the obvious 1 v 4 2 v 3 scenario, or the confusing inverse seeding scenario in which the four BCS bowls are played and the top 2 then play. it might not be perfect but it gives more people a shot and is an improvement over the BCS.
By Vince Dooley
December 5, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this
Stop whining people. UGA doesn’t deserve to play for the National Championship this year. Quit embarrassing our fine institution.
By Herschel Walker
December 6, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
WAAAAAAAAA! I thought dawgs barked but all I hear is whining. Herschel is still in retirement. WAAAAAAA!
When you can win your own division then maybe you can talk. Didn’t do it. Quit whining.
By ma281zda
December 9, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this
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December 9, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
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