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DEL.ICIO.USWill Auburn get deal done with Tuberville?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Five burning questions as we head into the last weekend of the regular season:
1. Is Auburn going to get a deal done with Tuberville? After beating Alabama for the sixth straight year and with an opening for a head coach at Arkansas and perhaps another one at LSU, you could say that Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville is dealing from a position of strength. But negotiations haven’t gone all that smoothly. Tuberville wants more money for his assistants, who are underpaid compared to those at Alabama. He also wants an indoor practice facility, which is something Alabama has as well. If he is expected to compete with Alabama, Tuberville needs to be close to an equal footing with the Crimson Tide in these areas. Auburn’s new proposal is supposed to come by Saturday. Tuberville will have until Dec. 31 to accept it.
2. Can a two-loss team get to the BCS championship? Probably not but the argument would sure be fun to watch. The only way to open that door would be for both No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia to lose on Saturday. Missouri might lose to Oklahoma in the Big 12 championship game, but West Virginia is a 28-point favorite over Pittsburgh at home. But if it happens, and everybody else who plays on Saturday wins, you will see the mother of all PR campaigns late Saturday night among Georgia, Virginia Tech, LSU, Southern Cal, and Oklahoma. And what about 11-1 Kansas?
3. How bad is Matt Flynn’s shoulder? The LSU quarterback reportedly took some snaps in Wednesday’s practice but I hear that backup Ryan Perrilloux is getting a lot of work because, even if Flynn can go, he may not last long against the Tennessee defense on the artificial turf of the Georgia Dome. Perrilloux is an incredible talent but for every great play he makes, he usually makes at least one that will put the LSU defense in bad field position.
4. When does Arkansas play Ole Miss in 2008? Glad you asked. The game will be on Oct. 25 in Fayetteville, where I’m sure new Ole Miss coach Houston Nutt will be welcomed with open arms. It will be as much fun as the first time Auburn’s Tommy Tuberville went back to Ole Miss. He won, by the way.
5. Does Hawaii still get a BCS bid if it loses? The No. 12 Warriors (11-0) won’t be done with Washington (11:30 p.m. start) until the wee hours of Sunday morning. If Hawaii wins, it’s a no-brainer. It will go to the Sugar Bowl. But if the Warriors lose will one of the BCS bowls take them just to keep peace with the non-BCS conferences?
Comments
By TDone
November 29, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this
Reference #2 above, you forget about Ohio State. They won the Big 10 and have just one loss. They are in there if Mizzou or WVU loses.
Muttland is out, not just because of the two losses, but because it would not have won the “vaunted” SEC. This is not basketball where conference non-champions can still win the NCAA tournament. How could the SEC market itself as the best football conference when a team which is not its conference champion is playing for the national championship.
By Atlanta Gator
November 29, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this
As a Gator, I only have a somewhat shallow understanding of how the ‘Bama-Auburn rivalry can command the attention of every living thing in the state of Alabama. But, if the Tigers want to continue to compete with and regularly defeat the Tide, then they need to have comparable or better head coach, assistants and facilities. Why does this take a negotiation with their head coach? Why doesn’t their athletic department and administration want these things, too? I’m sure their crazed alumni are willing to pay for it … .
It could happen this year, without a doubt, and if West Virginia and Missouri lose this weekend, it will.
Wow. Talk about another team’s season dependent on key personnel injuries. If so, that would be a shame, because on a good day with everyone healthy, LSU is clearly the superior team to Tennessee.
Here’s the key difference: When Tuberville jumped to Auburn it was clearly a step up and a promotion. Nutt’s move is at best a lateral, and arguably a step down. Arkansas’ program is a little shaky as a result of recent events. We shall see.
Undefeated and overrated. Lose their last game and the Warriors are done.
By Bryan Carver '97 Dawg
November 29, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this
TDone, nice bias -“muttland” and “vaunted SEC”. ACC or Pac10 fan? Barnhardt didn’t forget about OSU. He knows they’re in. That’s not the point of #2 as he didn’t say there will be 2 2 loss teams in the NC game. His point is, who will the second team be? “The only way to open that door would be for both No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia to lose.”
By George
November 29, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this
1.yes tubs will keep his job 2. Obviously if WVU and mizzou lose this weekend lose this weekend than there is a good chance that a two loss team will get to the BCS national championship game. Although I think it is a crock it better not be the UGA pups. Although they are hot they are the most overrated team and after UT loses this weekend they will have lost to 2 UNRANKED TEAMS!!!!!!!! Pretty ironic that Auburn goes undefeated and doesnt get a shot and now two loss teams might get in. I can not wait to hear UGA fans b*** and moan about not getting in with two losses to UNRANKED teams and not even winning or playing for the conference title. All the other two loss teams are better, not to mention Kansas and HAwaii. END of story.
By SECisFootball
November 29, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this
Ole Coach Wingnut is playing AU for more money and that is exactly what he should do. And I say this as a BAMA fan….if they don’t match or better and offer to him, they are foolish. He has has solid results really since he has been at AU and he has beaten BAMA pretty consistently since he has been there and that is the most important thing to AU fans. He will be at AU for a long time to come.
By GW
November 29, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this
Nutt for sure gets another honeymoon period that he would not have had in 2008, 2009 at Arkansas. Plus he was tired of the Sooie Pig fans. Auburn will give Tuberville what he wants as soon as Lowder signs off on it. After all he has to pay for it.
By bamadon
November 29, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
Coach Tuberville will get want it wants! Auburn would be stupid if it lets Coach Tuberville leave for another coaching job. Lsu will win the SEC championship game! I hope that the sooners beat the tigers and Ohio st plays West Virginia in the national title game and West virgina beats Ohio st for the title!
By Steeledawg
November 29, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
Personally, If I were an AU booster or administrator I would not give Tuberville an extra penny. Sure his record over mediocre Bama is excellent, and he went undefeated one year, but other than that he has has been above average at best. If he wants to walk let him, there are plenty of quality coaches that would kill to coach the tigers.
By JB
November 29, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
As a Dawg fan, I think Tubbs is sniffing out a $4 mil dollar deal SOMEWHERE. I do think it’s about the money with him. Heck, they tried to fire him and got caught doing it wrong. He knows that. He also knows Saban is a couple of classes away from making that game a gimmie…. I think he knows he has has a good market value RIGHT NOW, and a new long term deal at say $3.5 mil a year will sail nicely into retirement.
By nathan
November 29, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
steeldawg. you call the best record in the SEC this decade and a national championship in 04 average???????????????????Yes I said a national championship in 04 because I am not even an auburn fan but as far as I am concerned they won the national championship in 04 no questions asked. That was utterly ridiuclous, especially considering what has happened the last few years.
By Prove your nickname
November 29, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this
And tell us who Radakovich is actually going to talk to, has talked to, has elminated, etc. No news for two days.
By Rocko
November 29, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
“Sure his record over mediocre Bama is excellent, and he went undefeated one year, but other than that he has has been above average at best.”
Do you ever think before typing? Isn’t a good thing to be above average? Isn’t that why they give raises? Isn’t Mark Richt above average?
By Steeledawg
November 29, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
Nathan,
I agree he had a great year in 2004. I do believe they should have had a chance to play for the NC, but they didn’t and they were not the champs. Tubs has had too many 4 loss years for my liking. AU has never been known for their strength of schedule and many years AU only play 4 away games.
If I were the AD I would call his bluff, I don’t think he would go anywhere. Especially Arkansas. In my opinion, that job is a step down.
By Tech is going to blow it big time
November 29, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
Paul Johnson won huge, including two national titles at Ga. Southern. He’s won big at Navy and NOBODY does that at a service academy anymore. He’s not going to get a sniff again from any of the “big time” programs, including Tech. Why? “He runs too much.” How stupid. A triple option offense, the spread, is all the rage and Johnson’s ultra successful triple option is somehow flawed? He doesn’t have the personnel at Navy to pass a lot. Besides, a 20-plus yard run is far more exciting than a 20-plus yard pass every time. If you paired Johnson with Tenuta, Tech would contend for the ACC next season, but Radakovich is going to blow it.
By blake
November 29, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
Auburn in ‘04 has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this year. Any other year, a two loss team like Ga would be hanging around the 10th spot in the BCS. They are NOT overrated George. It just so happens that last weeks’ number one team in the BCS also lost to TWO UNRANKED TEAMS. You people with so much Dawg hate forget the nature of this season. Usc (the real one) lost to Stanford, an unranked team.
By SECisFootball
November 29, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this
Nathan…no offense to you or any AU fan, but in 2004, AU DID NOT win the National Championship. Undefeated was impressived but they could have schedule a D1 team which would have made them a shoe in for the NC game. Instead they schedule 1AA The Citadel and there went their title hopes. Sorry to burst you bubble there.
By 3volpaul
November 29, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
Pssst.. Tech is going to blow it- man, don’t talk about Paul Johnson. Many Vol fans are secretly and openly wanting a coach like him in Knoxville. Cutcliff is saving Philapottamus’s bacon currently, but that won’t last. We want Johnson, Tech doesn’t need him. Don’t be talking about the diamond, hidden away!
By Spike
November 29, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
RE # 1 above. If Ears Tuberville needs all that to compete with the Tide, how come AU has beaten them the last six years without the $ and the indoor facility? And re # 2, Pitt is not going to beat WVU so all this talk is academic.
By charles
November 29, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
DON’T WORRY BOUT WEST VIRGINIA WE WILL BEAT PITT.SEE YA IN THE BIG EASY!
By Jumbo
November 29, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
I am a long time LSU season ticket holder that has lived in Ga for 25 years. I really believe that Miles will take the Michigan job. I know he has been criticized on here but the bottom line is the guy has won at LSU. They finished 5th in 2005 and 3rd a year ago. Saban only one 10 games or more twice in 5 seasons. This is not to knock Nick as I am grateful for him making us into a power. But he has his faults too. He lost to UAB. Also LSU had Ark beat in 2002 needing a win to go to the SECCG when they left a WR wide open on a bomb with less than a minute to go. They also left a guy wide open on the last play of the Cap One bowl in Saban’s final game in which they scored on a 50+ pass play. The Gators drilled us in 2002 and the Dawgs stomped us in 2004. Miles has been hammered for letting the clock get down to 1 sec on the final play vs Auburn. Did anyone notice last week that UK decided to run a play with 8 seconds left instead of going for a chip shot field goal to tie UT and Woodson let the clock get down to 1 second? They almost blew that game but I have hard noone say on here that that was a bonehead call by Rich Brooks. My point is Miles is a better coach than he has gotten credit for. Miles is surrounded by an excellent staff. Any coach that is successful has to have outstanding assistants. The head guy gets the glory and the criticism but he can’t do it all. I think one of the most important aspects of a head coach is his ability to put together a staff. I admt I was not sold on Miles until he hired Crowton when Jimbo left. I was concerned when FSU hired him but that impressed me when Miles got Crowton. I knew then he knew what he was doing. You know LSU does have alot of talent this season. But so does SC and I haven’t heard any criticism about Carroll. Hell SC was mentioned by some as possibly the greatest team ever and yet they have lost 2 games and one of them to lowly Stanfort, a 40 point underdog. Anyway I think Miles is gone and I believe LSU will go after Spurrier and Tuberville. They may not get either one but I think they have as good a chance as anyone. Did anyone notice on ESPN.com last week that former AJC sportswriter and Dawg beat writer Mark Schlabach had LSU listed as the number 1 overall football program in the nation? Saban and Miles should get alot of credit for that. I know this is Dawg country and they have a strong program as well, deserve to go to a BCS bowl and will certainly be ranked in the preseason top 5 in 08.
By Nathan
November 29, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
First, For all of you Georgia Dolts talking bad about Auburn’s Scheduling that is one of the most comical things I have ever heard in my entire life.Auburn had one of the top three of four schedules in the COUNTRY this year. Auburn has and will continue to schedule tougher games than the pups. The ONLY reason the Tigers played CITADEL is because they had a droupout at the last second and needed a replacement. But lets see who the tigers have played out of confernece in the last few years and will in the upcoming years hmmmmmmmmmm. GA Tech, USC, Washington state, Kansas state, USF, west virginia in 08 and 09, clemson in 11 and 12. I could go on and on. And what about the pups. WOOOOOOOOOOW ok state and Boise State. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW Blake for your info Arkanksas is ranked but that was not really my point. My point was the pups lost to a GOD AWFUL 6 loss USC team that will not even go to a bowl AT HOME and got blown out of the stadium to an average at best UT team. Combine that with the lack of any Great wins and there is no way in hell the pups should be the best two loss team in the country or ahead of kansas or even hawaii for that matter. The pups beat Auburn and Florida. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW are there two more average football teams??? Not to mention when the pups played Florida 75 % of its offense (tebow) was playing at less than 75 %.
By tiger7_88
November 29, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
SECisFootball: Auburn did have a Div.1 opponent scheduled in 2004 (Bowling Green), but they backed out of their commitment at the very last minute and Auburn had to scramble for a replacement, ergo The Citadel.
Steeledawg: You are criticizing Auburn for only having four away games? Have you checked the majority of the major SEC programs schedules lately? That’s the way the game is played these days (get the extra home game to sell more tickets and make more money). Occasionally the major SEC programs will play a 5-game road sked (i.e. next year Auburn is playing West Virginia on the road… how ‘bout UGa?), but at the very minimum every other year they’re going to only have a 4-game road sked. It ain’t just Auburn, my friend.
With regard to Tub’s and his efforts to become “comparable” with Bama with regard to salary and facilities, he will end up getting a nice raise for himself and his assistants, but nowhere near what Bama is paying. Why? Because Bama is overpaying every one of their coaches due to their desperation at getting a coach and staff in place last year. Just because Bama, through their desperate acts, decided to way, WAY overpay their coaches doesn’t mean everybody else has to. I think Tub’s and his staff realize this. With regard to facilities, the only non-comparable facility that Bama has that Auburn does not is the 100-yd indoor practice facility (unlike what Barnhart has stated, Auburn does have an indoor facility, just not 100-yds in length). I wouldn’t be surprised to see that taken care of.
By Ramblin Wrecker
November 29, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
I can’t see why anyone would think Tuberville would leave Auburn for Arkansas. Arkansas is a decent job, but as we’ve seen over the last year it can be more trouble than it’s worth. It also doesn’t lie in fertile recruiting country. Auburn is in a way better position for recruiting, being in Alabama and close to GA and FL. Plus the program prestige is better than Ark. But I could see Tuberville interested in LSU if Les Miles takes the Michigan job. However, Tubs could look at this two ways. He could move to LSU and maybe it’s a step up, or he could use the coaching change at LSU as a means to strengthen his own program at Auburn and maybe push it above LSU. Remember the Saban recruits are running out at LSU, so the next guy there will be playing with Miles’ recruits. I think Tubs would do better to stay put and watch the next LSU guy have a hiccup and not be a 10+ win team for a while. But I can see why he’s angling for raises for his assistants. One of them may very well be headed to Atlanta to take the GT job, in Will Muschamp.
By Bryan Carver '97 Dawg
November 29, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
Nathan, Nathan, Nathan…
Arizona State, Louisville and Clemson are all on UGA’s upcoming schedule. Oh and Oregon too.
I’m sorry, what were you saying?
By Bryan Carver '97 Dawg
November 29, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this
Tiger 88 - UGA’s away OOC game in 2008? Arizona State. Thanks for asking.
By Dawgcrzy
November 29, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
It probably would take a DAWG(Muschamp)to fix Tech’s program.Who is calling who boss?
By Bryan Carver '97 Dawg
November 29, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Seriously though, debating scheduling is almost as pointless as who the best 2 loss team is. Everyone schedules cupcakes and everyone schedules some tough ones nowadays (specifically because of the AU/Citadel situation). What we can all agree on (at least the SEC fans) is that being in the SEC, we don’t have to schedule 3 tough OOC. The SEC schedule takes care of that itself. You only need 1 really tough OOC, 1 midmajor and then it’s still OK to have a directional school.
By WILL
November 29, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
Dear lowly Gamecock fans,
Your wretched season continues……… Your evil ex-genius coach is leaving you for………DUKE!!!! Now that’s even more funny than you being the #6 team in the country and then getting trounced at home against Vandy. Then going winless the rest of the way. Please do the SEC a favor and drop out! Your starting to stink up the place.
By Fall Line Tiger
November 29, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
Auburns assistant coaches are not underpaid compared to anyone. They are, as a whole, the highest paid in the SEC. Google it and see as it was printed in the Columbus-Ledger Inq. If Alabamas assitants are paid better, its not by much and only becuase the pitiful school was so desparate.
By UGA Slobberknocker
November 29, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
thoughts on above posts from UGA grad and huge Dawg fan.
1-I have been a proponent of limiting the BCS to conference championships ever since 2 loss Colorado beat undefeated Nebraska in 01 (maybe 02)..Nebraska didnt win the B12 North but still went to the BCS over 1 loss conf champions Oregon and Illinois.
But as a Dawg fan I am not ashamed to say…I have changed my mind for purely selfish reason. Can we help it our one stinker game was in the East while Tenn’s was against Ala in the west..a bad loss is a bad loss..so if we make it I will laugh at every whining LSU fan because they would feel the same way.
2-I hope Auburn is so stupid as to let Tuberville go. in my opinion he is the best coach in the SEC not named Richt. I hope Lowder is as dumb as advertised.
3-paper said the other day a possibility that Muschamp would coach Tech..not a chance in the world..Will has brains..p.s. does anyone know if the high school coach mentioned in the paper today named Muschamp is Will’s brother. I assume so they look alike..but never heard of him..just wondering..
By JMar
November 29, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
No, TDone, he did not forget about Ohio State. The topic is whether a two-loss team can win the BCS. For that to happen, both Missouri and West Virginia would have to lose. This is because Ohio State is, a one-loss team, is third, and two teams play in the BCS championship, not one.
By shane
November 29, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
1-tubby should get his deal done,but you never know when dealing with a university adm.my wife worked as an adm asst to a department head at ucf in the mid eighties.her boss had three goals,he wanted ucf to be a major university,he wanted his department to be one of the best in the country,and he wanted a div 1a football program.he and a few other people of vision were able to accomplish these goals,but what they had to overcome was unbelievable.dead brained bureaucrats,fog headed ivory tower dwellers,timid nay-sayers,and anti-athlete nerds tried to block every move these people with vision made.never assume that the top brass at any college are going to be reasonable,or even smart. 2-doubtful,but this year,who knows?stranger things have happened. 3-flynn is a baller,if he can walk he will play. 4-should be a fun game to watch.will ole miss give nutt two years or three?if they would let a coach stay long enough to set up a program and actually coach his own recruits they might win a couple of sec games. 5-nope,they seem to get no respect from the bcs.
By chickensalad
November 29, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
Perriloux makes one good play and then matches it with a bad one? You base that on what? Your extensive time watching him practice? His 20-27 300yd. game in his only career start?
LSU is a 6-7 pt favorite and the bookies know he will be the starter. Ya, think they might know a little more than you do on this subject????
By TDone
November 29, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
Correct me if I am wrong, but when the original series was set up, Tech was to play Auburn in 2003, 2004, and 2005. The 2003 game was to be in Atlanta on Tech’s campus. The 2004 was to be at the Georgia Dome (50/50 seating). The 2005 game was to be in Auburn.
I believe it was Auburn who backed out of the 2004 game, thus costing them the National Championship.
By wolfman
November 29, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
UGA FAN HERE AND A RABID ONE…………FORGET IT !!!! NO TITLE GAME EVEN IF BOTH 1 AND 2 LOOSE. Get real ,….ie,..,,two losses, no conf. title, yet a bcs title?????? ………go smoke another boston butt !!!!
By jake
November 29, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this
yes ugaslobberknocker muschamps brother coaches the Lovett Lions which are AA I belive might be AAA.
By Rob
November 29, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
11/29/2007 Bill Willis The NFL has taken some pretty big hits in the past few weeks as far as the deaths of retired and newcomers of the game. It is unfortunate, but sadly it happens. Well yesterday the NFL lost a retiree and LEGEND of the game. BILL WILLIS (86yrs. old) the first African-American to play in the professional game of football. No one in the media hardly mentioned his name. This man broke the color barrier of the NFL before Jackie Robinson did in MLB. I know that football is not as great a sport than baseball to many Americans but to a lot of us football comes first. Since it seems that no one wants to continue discussing the senseless killing of Sean Taylor then maybe someone can talk about the GREATNESS of BILL WILLIS. We are talking about the game of football. Try to think of what he had to endure as a young black man playing in what could be looked at as the most or one of the most violent sports in this country. We talk about what Hank Aaron had to go through to break the Homerun record, but in football there are more physical obstacles to avoid other than someone sliding into you with cleats or getting hit with a baseball. This man had the guts to go head to head, play after play and week after week against more than one individual at a time that mentally and physically tried to physically harm him on the field every chance they got. Imagine all the cheap hits he had to endure along with all the slurs he had to hear. Bill Willis did not look back on the negativity that went on around him to play a game that he loved, but focused on how far the game has come, from being the first African-American in the sport of football to having African-American coaches and a GM right now. As a country and a culture we failed to mention his name. So we have lost a brother to violence and now a father in BILL WILLIS. This is fact and there are not any asterisks next to his name so he can be talked about without worry of controversy. Bill Willis also played for Ohio State University in 1941, started in 1942 the year they won the Big Ten. Willis was inducted into the College Hall of Fame (1971) as well as the Pro Football Hall of Fame (1977). During his professional career he played for the Cleveland Browns. Willis died at the age of 86. November 27,2007.
Rob of Offsides With Rob and Jarmal robditty@yahoo.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7FpwFhox48
By tiger7_88
November 29, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this
I love how the UGa’s keep bringing up Bobby Lowder’s name in all this discussion. Well, I guess the UGa’s do have a point since they have their on past, recent, and current experience with nosey power-broker alums (re: Don Leebern).
Oh… how’s Leebern and your gymnastics coach doing anyway?
By Georgia Fan
November 29, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
Tennessee 2007 SEC Champions. Hard to believe isn’t it? Believe it. LSU’s defense is playing like garbage. Ainge will have a field day. LSU has been overrated all year and living on a prayer. Tennessee is hungrier and wants it more. Not only will Tennessee win but it might not even be that close. Book it and take it to the bank.
Oh, and I’m a Georgia fan just calling it like I see it. I’d love for Tennessee to get humiliated but it just ain’t happening.
By Boo Boo
November 29, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this
Clearly a 2-loss team could win an NCAA Championship … in any sport other than the “Good Ol Boy Division I Football”, where every school injects the morphene of graff dollars and starts acting like, “Hey man, I’m not stoned. I’m straight.” Of course anyone not on drugs can tell the truth. We just don’t have the right to take them to jail and test their urine and the “authorities” are paid off and on the money drugs too.
this text will be bolded EDUCATION IS NOT ABOUT ATHLETICS!!!
Athletics at educational institutes was originally intended to be to get the students out of their classes and dorms and make them exercise and breathe fresh air. Now we create courses for steroid farm animals, so they can attend college - only to leave school early should the potential of professional team dollars seem at hand (far above those at hand from alumni and boosters, under the table dollars and free cars, jobs, shoes, etc. can mount).
A playoff system is the only fair way to determine a true national champion. So what if Hawaii is number one … or Missourri … or some other ugly weak sister school, and not Oklahoma, Southern Cal or Ohio State. Without a playoof system, college football might as well be deemed as semi-pro and all teams given the death penalty for using slave labor to make a few Athletic Directors and college presidents billions of dollars, which student applicants for nursing, history and language will never see.
By JCubby
November 29, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Just the facts, mam. In the SEC West vs. East this year the East has a 10-8 winning record. Georgia has fewer losses in the SEC West than LSU. Georgia is undefeated in the SEC West in 2007.
Is there a rule that says an at-large Georgia team can’t play LSU in the Sugar bowl?
By War Eagle
November 29, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
Tony is a little heavy on CTT request, read,Tiger_88 for correct details. Atlanta Gator, Bama-AU rival is like no other for 365 days. It is a HATE rival, not a family rival as UGA-AU. CTT has a few minor correction to secure, but CTT will be the HC at Auburn for many more years. There will be some changes on the coaching staff. Being #1 scoring defense in SEC 2007, offense has not been scoring points. Dawgs, you went through a 4 loss season last year, so adjustment has to be made, although Auburn is very young and will respond to a SEC title within two years..
By gdawginkalamazoo
November 29, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
War Eagle, what do you guys look like at QB next year?
By War Eagle
November 29, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
Poll skipping?? In the early eighties Miami, Nebraska and Notre Dame(all the time), were the media darlings, past years it is USC, Ohio State and Texas. In 1983, most dawgs fans will rememberUGA finishing #4 behind, Miami, Nebraska and Auburn in AP poll. Auburn was #3 going into the Sugar Bowl with Michigan.Miami was #5 Nebraska #2. Miami beat Nebraska 31-30 in the Orange Bowl and final poll was Miami #1, Nebraska #2 and Auburn #3 with UGA #4 after beating Texas in Cotton Bowl 10-9. Miami jumped 4 teams after a ONE point win to win NC??. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AUBURN 1983 NC? ANYTHING can happen in the polls..Best of luck
By MacHog19
November 29, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
Tony,
Your defending Houston Nutt in this situation is about like saying Richard Nixon resigned in 1974 because a few disgruntled American citizens didn’t like the Watergate break in! As a journalist you should know that to be fair and objective, you should publish ALL the facts. The Mustain debacle was only part of the off-the-field antics by Nutt that caused Arkansas fans to lose faith in his judgment, his coaching ability and his integrity. In addition, he had a cupcake non-conference schedule this season with the two best running backs in the country (including, as you admit, Darren McFadden who should be the Heisman winner). And yet, under Nutt’s leadership Arkansas landed (once again) at the mid-season point with an 0-3 start in the SEC, losing to Alabama, Kentucky and Auburn after leading late in the fourth quarter in all three games. Did you watch the Tennessee vs. Arkansas game? The Razorbacks were outcoached and outmotivated. While I am an avid Hog Fan, I am not naive or delusional enough to believe that Arkansas should compete every year for the SEC Championship with LSU, Florida and Georgia. However, your comments give Nutt an unearned free pass to Oxford and paint an unfair portrait of the events that brought about the end of the Nutt era in Arkansas.
By War Eagle
November 29, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
I should have mention in my previous post, Auburn defeated Michigan in the Sugar Bowl 9-6 on all FG. Auburn gave UGA(13-7) its only loss, plus a tie with Clemson(10-1-1). SEC gets muffed year after year in polls. In 1983, UGA and Auburn were probably top two teams in the country..
By gdawginkalamazoo
November 29, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
Tony, you heard it here first. Spurrier to LSU. He was supposedly seen on Duke’s campus recently chatting with his buddy the AD. Well the guy who hired Spurrier at UF is now at LSU. SOS was on Duke’s campus to put a floater up there about him possibly leaving SC. How would it look, how would SC fans react, etc. All the political floaters to get people talking. One thing we know for certain is that SOS hates to lose. He will never win at SC as this year has proven and it won’t get any better for him. Off to LSU to keep a solid program going. He won’t have to shovel through Lou Holtz’s garbage there.
By gdawginkalamazoo
November 29, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
MacHog19 , good points. Nutt blew that whole Mustain deal. He gave away too much to a 18 year old kid and a high school coach. Might be a waste of talent if Mustain never sees the field at USC. You guys had the RB’s and might have even had the QB to make a great run this year.
By War Eagle
November 29, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
zoo, we have Kodi Burns(true freshman) # 1 QB in Ark,# 8 nationwide last year playing in several games. He is a DJ Shockley type with a good arm. We also have Fields,and Caudle, Pro type QB`s. CTT will make changes on the offense, output was not efficient for SEC schedule.Coach Borgas might be talking to Colorada State about HC. Auburn will do well next year, maybe the spread offense with QB??
By timmythebrave
November 29, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
Nathan, you talk about auburn’s strength of schedule and that uga’s schedule is weak. I guess we beat the weak tigers by 20 the last 2 years!!! Woooooowwww!!
By baloney
November 29, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
Well, just to be honest timmythebrave, UGA normally does play a soft schedule.This year was no exception. I wonder if UGA mu\ight be like Ohio ST/Michigan were last year, everyone thought they were awesome. Turned out they only lost when they played superior teams.
By BT
November 29, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
TDone, you’re a complete moron! Ohio State is in because they are one of the 3 media darlings(ND, OSU, USC). Barnhart wasn’t refering to them anyway. It doesn’t matter that one game before the season ended the Bucks lost at home to un unranked team. The media kept in the top 7.
I can promise you my foolish friend that LSU wants no part of UGA in the dome. The dawgs would hand the Bengals butts to them. If UGA would’ve taken care of the early season business then they would be talking about the national title instead of which BCS bowl to plan for.
By Watch it
November 29, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
While all this talk is going on about Tuberville leaving Auburn and Miles leaving LSU. Let’s not forget about Florida State. Can you say Mark Richt. Let’s face it, they are sooner or later going to come knocking I don’t care how happy he is right now at UGA. Florida State will make him the richest College coach in history. Bobby Bowden will insist that Mark Richt replace him. So UGA, enjoy Coach Richt while he is hot because hot coaches don’t stay at one school forever. Mark Richt is no different from any other man who wants the best for his family. I just hope UGA can convince him to stay.
By Ole Ball Coach
November 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
BCS = BS
I would love to see the +1 as a start to a playoff system. Why…………………
UT - Lost three games Cal, Florida, and Ala, Getting the Job done past 5 weeks Earned the Right to play in the SEC Championship.
LSU - Lost two games late Kentucky and Arkansas not that hot as of late. But still deserves to play in the SEC Championship.
UGA - Lost two games early South Carolina and Tennessee But beat Alabama , Kentucky, Florida, and Auburn and is on a roll. I think today UGA Is better than any team in the SEC.
By Shane
November 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
Kodi Burns couldnt hold DJ Shockley’s jock. Look at recruiting . Now would be a good time to leave for Tubby because AU program has peaked and is about to start the slide back to being above average.
By TybeeDawg
November 29, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this
Watch It, From the inside track on CMR, he will NOT…I repeat NOT go back to FSU under any circumstances or for any amount of money. Take that to the bank.
By G8TR
November 29, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Don’t be so sure. Richt’s path to an NC would be much, much easier at FSU, where the ACC comp is like playing the lower tier of the SEC week to week. It would be like a high-paid coaching vacation for him to regularly scheme and play against the likes of NC State, Wake Forest, Duke, etc., versus the SEC East, in which he has underachieved (e.g. various losses to Vandy, USC, KY, UT and, most years, UF.) Never forget that your guy is a Cane’-playing, Nole coach dressed in Dawg clothing….
By Hog Fan
November 29, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this
If I were an Auburn Kitty Cat Fan I wouldn’t brag or hang my hat on beating Alabama see La. Monroe. As for Tommy T. he should be introduced as the new ARKANSAS RAZORBACKS new coach anytime now. Surely you don’t think he was in Arkansas just to duck hunt do you? If so the Auburn fans are dummer than we thought. Yes he was here to hunt, but he also found time to meet with Jeff Long about becoming the new coach around 4:00 p.m. on Thursday the 29th of Nov.
By PTC DAWG
November 29, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this
My, my, my. Folks get jealous quick. They talk about UGA’s schedule. I will put our OOC this year up against most anybody. Next year, we play AZ ST on the ROAD. For the Barners, we play GT every year. It seems a few years back you dealt with that, and not so well, unless my memory is right. And get this, I cannot remember the last time UGA had 8 home games like you goobers have most every year.
And get this, we SMOKED the Barn the last two times we played.
Oh yeah, good luck vs the taters in the Peach/Chicken Bowl.
By tiger gal
November 29, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this
1) Tuberville has done great things at Auburn. We love him as a coach and as a person! I hope he stays in Auburn for another 9 years and another 6 straight victories against Bama.
WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!
By ARdawg
November 29, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
Zoo….I’m a little familiar with the Nutt situation in Arkansas or R-kansas as Miles would put it. Nutt wanted Mustain on his own terms but got strong armed into taking Malzahn as the package. He really wasn’t at fault on that really stinky mess. There is much division in the state since that happened. Northwest Arkansas and all the rest. Unfortunately for Nutt NW Arkansas is where much of the booster money is at
By War Eagle
November 29, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
shane, I did not say Kodi Burns was a better player than DJ, I said he was a DJ TYPE QB.CTT program has peak, well you are wrong, “CTT has Auburn football program in the best shape its ever been” Pat Dye,….Majority of Auburn people feel the same…. UGA experience the same situation last year with a four loss season, its difficult, plus playing a schedule with LSU, FL, Ark. and UGA(2-2) on the road and NINE bowl qualified teams.Next year, unless a game is added, our first five games are, at WVA, at Miss State, LSU, Tenn and Miss Southern. We will rebound next year and hopefully play for NC 2009.
By gerri smith
November 29, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this
Houston Nutt is the biggest IDIOT no one at Arkansas will welcome him with open arms. i sure hope we get tuberville so we can cream ole miss again next year.Also houstons family isnt moving with him… talk about a family man.
By gerri smith
November 29, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
Houston Nutt is the biggest IDIOT no one at Arkansas will welcome him with open arms. i sure hope we get tuberville so we can cream ole miss again next year.Also houstons family isnt moving with him… talk about a family man.
By tiger7_88
November 29, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this
Hog Fan, you may or may not be right about Tuberville meeting with Arky, but if you are right, then Tuberville is in violation of the terms of his present contract (which require anyone that wants to contact Tuberville with regard to employment to first get permission from the Auburn Athletic Dept). And if he is in violation of the terms of his contract, he’d better get the Arky job because either he or his new employer will owe Auburn $6 million dollars (the amount of his buyout).
But, in the real world, considering that kind of jack is riding on doing things the right way, I seriously doubt that he is meeting with anyone at Arky or at LSU behind Auburn’s back. If he is (and it’s always a possibility), it’ll probably be the most costly mistake he’s ever made.
Auburn will have a good football coach and a good football team. If it’s Tommy Tuberville and his team, that’s fine with me. If he wants to work for someone else and Auburn has a different coach, that’s fine too.
By TDone
November 29, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this
To BT (probably ET), et al,
Quote:
2. Can a two-loss team get to the BCS championship? Probably not but the argument would sure be fun to watch. The only way to open that door would be for both No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia to lose on Saturday. Missouri might lose to Oklahoma in the Big 12 championship game, but West Virginia is a 28-point favorite over Pittsburgh at home. But if it happens, and everybody else who plays on Saturday wins, you will see the mother of all PR campaigns late Saturday night among Georgia, Virginia Tech, LSU, Southern Cal, and Oklahoma. And what about 11-1 Kansas? Unquote:
Would seem to me that Barnhardt omitted OSU in error. OSU is not right now in the 1 vs. 2 mix. Since they should get the right of first refusal, they should have been mentioned here.
As to Muttland’s season, the games in the early part of the season count. I am sure there is a three loss team out there who is playing great right now too. Let’s not omit them just because they lost early in the season. UT is a rivalry game for Muttland as well as USC. YOU LOST!!! IT COUNTS!!! STHU!!!
By Bob
November 29, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this
GeorgiaSportsBlog has brand new video from Arkansas TV Station stating that Tubberville is the new Hog coach. Supposedly nothing has been signed and details are still being worked out. Again, this is only what Arkansas TV Stations are reporting.
By Bob
November 29, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this
G8TR, Underachieving? You guys have only been to Atlanta once since 2000. You had one BCS team in that span and if it weren’t for the gift of UCLA’s upset of USC last year, you wouldn’t have even gotten a smell of the NC.
You guys did great, but don’t give me crap about underachieving. Seems to me I can recall a loss to SC in Urban’s first year. And you even lost to Mike Shula the same year. Win more than one SEC title in 7 years and then talk about underachieving. And oh, by the way, learn how to stop someone.
By Atlanta GatorAnonymous Arbiter of Everything
November 29, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
Uh, Hog fan, that’s “dumber,” NOT “dummer.” Sheesh.
By ARdawg
November 29, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this
Bob
Tuberville duck hunts in eastern Arkansas every year and has for many years. In fact he was hunting in Arkansas at the same time when Houston Nutt was hired and TT rumors were rampant then. There is some smoke to his interest however. His Agent Jimmy Sexton has said as much. But there have been no discussion between TT and the university. Most speculate it’s a ruse to get what he wants from AU where he has a lengthy list. As tiger7_88 stated there won’t be any breaking of his current contract. If discussions open, it’ll be above board. Too much money at stake.
By Bob
November 29, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this
ARdawg,
That is kind of what I think too. I suspect there might be some sad Hogs when this all plays out. It wouldn’t be the first time TV stations report before they have the facts.
By Dawgcrzy
November 30, 2007 7:46 AM | Link to this
Right on Tybee Dawg,CMR said after 02,and I quote…” My wife and I thought long and hard about our next move,we only wanted to move once,and GA was the right move for us and our family”.He’s here for a while.
By G8TR
November 30, 2007 8:09 AM | Link to this
Bob - You should know about “gifts”…Dawgs desperately hoping this season for UT to lose to KY so you can get into SECCG; now anxiously awaiting WVa and Missouri to lose to get into BCS championship. Would your noble, holier-than-everyone-else program not accept those gifts? Go wire to wire once in the modern age (e.g. since 1980) and you can talk about not getting gifts. Even your 2003 SECCG appearance was a three-way tie in the East with the gift of ranking, not on-field play. (Of course, you never recognize your divisional “Co-Champs” from that year like you desperately want to be recognized now. There’s a lot of UT Orange in downtown ATL right because they thrashed you straight up.) Difference in East underachieving is that even Ron Zook never lost to KY and Vandy … but Richt has — at home no less. Sorry to be so factual.
By olddawg
November 30, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this
I don’t have an “ante in this pot”; however, i find it interesting(?)that Auburn would decry Tuberville for any actions that might appear inappropriate. Auburn’s treatment of Tuberville during the “Petrinagate” fiasco buys him a get out of jail pass. Having said this, I will be surprised(who hasn’t been this season)if Tuberville becomes coach at Arkansas.
By Bryan Carver '97 Dawg
November 30, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this
TDone,
Yes, you are right TB didn’t say OSU. What he did say was “Can A 2 loss” - the “a” meaning only one 2 loss team is moving up. He didn’t say “Can 2 2 loss teams”.
Who do you think would be the other team in the NC game? Its a forgone conclusion that it will be OSU. THe whole college football world knows it would be OSU if both MU and WV lose on Saturday. There is no need to mention them. Just a little logic…
By Bryan Carver '97 Dawg
November 30, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
G8TR,
You’re right about never losing to Vandy or KY. But we haven’t lost to the Mississippi schools lately either…
By RBLRBL
November 30, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
It is not unprecedented for a team to go to the national championship game after not playing for its conference championship. In 2001, Nebraska did not win the Big 12 played Miami in the Rose Bowl and got thumped 37 to 14.
By Ryan
November 30, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
Tuberville rumored to ARK..unless it has already been posted here. And for old sour-grapes G8TR, “Honk if you sacked Tebow” http://nwahomepage.com/mediaplayer.php?mediaid=11519