AJC > Sports > Blog > Archives > 2007 > November > 13 > Entry

Can Kansas jump over Oregon?

Here is one man’s Top Five as we head down the stretch:

1. LSU (9-1): The Tigers dodged a bullet against Auburn (30-24) and they dodged a cannon ball against Alabama (41-34). They are at Ole Miss this Saturday and host Arkansas on Nov. 23. Then comes the SEC championship game where a win puts them in New Orleans for the BCS title. I agree with Mark Bradley. If LSU has to play Georgia at the Georgia Dome, things could get very interesting.

2. Oregon (8-1): The Ducks are playing well but their final three games with 4-6 Arizona (Thursday night), UCLA (5-5) and Oregon State (6-4) are not particularly exciting. Oregon not only needs to win these games, it needs to win impressively.

3. Kansas (10-0): Here is my bottom line on Kansas. The Jayhawks played a lousy non-conference schedule: Central Michigan (6-4), I-AA Southeastern Louisiana (2-8), Toledo (5-5), and Florida International (0-9). But if Kansas runs the table, it would have beaten No. 5 Missouri (Nov. 24) and No. 5 Oklahoma (Big 12 championship game) in consecutive weeks. The Jayhawks will have beaten Kansas State, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma State on the road. They would have hung 76 on Nebraska. That’s a better resume than Oregon’s and the Fighting Manginos would jump into the No. 2 hole ahead of the Ducks.

4. Oklahoma (9-1): The Sooners need to be careful this week against a mad Texas Tech team in Lubbock. Oklahoma’s best chance is to run the table (Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Big 12 championship) and hope that Oregon stumbles. If Oklahoma beats Kansas convincingly on Dec. 1 while Oregon is beating Oregon State, the voting for No. 2 might get interesting.

5. West Virginia (8-1): I’m not sure any of these teams would want to play the Mountaineers right now. They are just impossible to stop when QB Pat White and RB Steve Slaton are both healthy. West Virginia has an interesting game this week at Cincinnati. Then it finishes at home with Connecticut and Pittsburgh

Permalink | Comments (36) | Post your comment |

Comments

By GO DAWGS

November 13, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

KANSAS FOOTBAW BETTER THAN OREGON CUZ IT CLOSER TO THE SEC HYAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

By DawgGrad311

November 13, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Just an observation…

But I think Mangina from Kansas and the great pumpkin phat phulmer would make a cute couple

By DawgGrad311

November 13, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

If Kansas wins out, and Tenn wins the SEC champ, ther would be only one way to settle it. This would be a duel between Phat Fullmer and Mangina.

1st quarter: pie eating contest

2nd quarter: who has the most chins

3rd quarter: who can find their twig and berries under their layers of love.

4th quarter: yellowblood’s favorite…and manwich tickle-pile.

By FLA DAWG

November 13, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

I guess you’re hedging your bets again Tony. I’m a Dawg Fan but have great respect for LSU. They are a talented bunch of tough playing guys who are great representatives of SEC Football and would show it if they go all the way to play for the Nat. Champ. As a Dawg Fan I obviously wish we had been able to pull it out against SC, but they won fair and square. UT creamed us. I believe UT will go all the way to play for the SEC Championship. They probably tie with the Dawgs as most improved in the SEC. If UT ends the season with no more losses they deserve to be there. But as far as LSU and their close wins this season - check some history Tony. I think you’ll find VERY FEW National Champs WITHOUT close games. And since the close ones were tough, SEC conference games - all the more reason why they were close. What is your problem with LSU? You’ve picked them to lose in upsets multiple times and this sounds like a veiled upset prediction again? What gives Tony?

By staiger

November 13, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

First of all, GO DAWGS, learn how to spell, secondly, who has Kansas played? All the teams they’ve played except one had at least 5 loses,that team had four loses. Thirdly, Kansas has only beaten two teams with winning records.

By staiger

November 13, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

First of all, GO DAWGS, learn how to spell, secondly, who has Kansas played? All the teams they’ve played except one had at least 5 loses,that team had four loses. Thirdly, Kansas has only beaten two teams with winning records.

By GT80

November 13, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Wouldn’t it be beautiful if there was an 8 team playoff with the 6 BCS conference champions and two at large teams. Then an undefeated Hawaii coud see if they could compete, and a 1 loss Kansas team that loses in a tight game in the Big 12 conference championship game or a 2 loss LSU or UGA or Okla that does the same could prove they belong. Even Ohio State/Michigan and BC/CLemson/UVA/VT could have a chance to prove their conference really is on the same level as the others. Why can’t the NCAA get this right?

By GW

November 13, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

I’m a Georgia fan. Don’t rule out the possibility of Tennessee giving LSU trouble in the SEC game if they play. The Fulmer furor seems to make them circle the wagons and play better.

By Me and You and a Dawg Named Belue

November 13, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Dawg fans, be VERY EXCITED about the present and future. I’m the pessimist of all time but I think we’ve got a real team which is going to be very good for the rest of this year and into the next few.

LSU should be worried to play us. We’re better than they are right now.

Dawg fans remember 1995 and watching Darth Visor run it up by passing for a TD(off a reverse I think) at the end of a blowout in Sanford. I wonder how Steve Spurrier felt watching Tebow pass with less than two minutes to “hang 50” (as he once said)on the lowly Gamecocks. And the the UF band started playing the same tune he’s heard so many times before…

I didn’t mean to beg Knowshon to run, but I had to….

By Spike

November 13, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Tony, Kansas having a lousy non conference schedule is the undersatement of the year. No way they beat both Mizzou and the Sooners in the championship game. The party is almost over for them. Don’t brag on the teams they beat on the road, either. The Dogs will play them anytime anywhere.

By mcdawg

November 13, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Hey dawgs-worry about Kentucky—it is still Oregon and LSU for me

By LargeOrange

November 13, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Poetic justice would be for UT to beat LSU and prevent them from going to the NT game like they did to UT in ‘01.

By RJ

November 13, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

So glad that every year the big story in college football is what people who have nothing to do with the teams think about the teams and their respective box scores. Wonderful method for crowning a champion.

Anyways, if Kansas wins out and isn’t #1, the voting will be a complete mockery. BCS supporters say that the BCS makes the regular season a giant playoff. Time to put your money where your mouth is and let an undefeated BCS team play for the BCS title. (That’s IF they win out)

On the other hand, if Kansas doesn’t win out, I’d give the #1 and #2 spots to Oregon and the Big 12 champion. It’s not to say LSU isn’t an awesome team, but the teams that Oregon/OU/MIZZ would have lost to for their one loss are better than Kentucky.

By m

November 13, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter which of the above teams that LSU plays in the national championship (if they make it…a BIG IF.) The reason it doesn’t matter is that LSU if going to get exposed by any of them. LSU is a decent team that got away with playing in an easy conference. Once LSU, and the other sec teams, have to play outside the cozy little SEC, they will all be exposed.

By Football Fan

November 13, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Memo to Under Achieving Coach Les Miles: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, these Dawg types are really full of themselves & they are going to beat your lucky team if you have to play them. Can’t we just concede them our spot in the BCSNC game & see if we can get an invite to the Independence Bowl over State? Also coach, please resign immediately & go off to Michigan. Even though they have out recruited LSwho in the last 5 years, you still have the most talented team, but have under coached them - & those last minute wins are nothing but luck achieved by smoke & mirrors. Forget about beating Florida, Alabama & Auburn in one year…..twice (Geo has beaten Fla, Tenn & Auburn in one year on a regular basis(sic) & forget about the two Western Division titles……….two top 5 finishes & a current #1 ranking is irrevelent.
Let’s just concede to the greatest coach in the SEC (yea, the same one they wanted to throw under the bus after UT, but that is another story for another Geo loss……)! I want to offer my SEC Champ game tickets to any Geo fan who wants them - free, because I just can’t stand to see what will happen to poor, underserving, over rated LSU.

By 3 Rivers jacket

November 13, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

The winner of the Big 12 should jump LSU and Oregon no matter who it is because if you look at what they have done in the last 2 games and that seems to be important then you canot keep the Big 12 winner out. Then you get down to LSU and Oregon. I think Oregon will have a slight edge unless LSU blows out Tenn in the champ game. But you SEC freaks have annointed LSU and the national media has bought into it. If Georgia gets to the champ game in the SEc you people will want them in the BCS if they beat LSU and to be an atlarge if they lose. By the way -is the prohibition against 3 teams from one conferecn still in effect. Surely not when there are now 10 teams.This year the ACC and Big 10 do not have 2 that are really worthy. The Big 12 has possibly 4 and the pac 10 3.

By BL

November 13, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

well said, FLA DAWG.

Let’s not forget, as impressive as Florida looked in the NC game last year, the Gators definitely had a few escapes, including beating the Vols AND Gamecocks by only 1 pt.

Florida’s average margin of victory over SEC teams last year? 8.8 LSU’s year-to-date? 14.8 Point is, this is the SEC.

I am a Tiger fan who thinks this team could be one of the best ever if they would just cut out the excessive number of penalties. 3rd worst for total penalties in div I football and still 1st in the BCS?

By tim

November 13, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

m, Ohio ST exposed Fl(SEC) in the national championship game last year. Obviously your team is on the verge of getting left out of the “national opinion” championship. Get over it. 1. LSU is a good team that beat the best team in the ACC (VA tech) badly. If they win out there is no way they don’t deserve a shot. 2. I agree the most deserving team. They have a great qb and would have a chance to beat anyone 3. Kansas will lose their first game against a top 25 team..It just took them 10 weeks to play 1 4. Ok is not as good as anyone thinks. Impressive win over a mediocre TX. another lame schedule 5. WV in my opinion is the hardest team to judge. Very solid offense (maybe the best) and a suspect defense.

By WhiteAndGold

November 13, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Who did Ohio State expose? Correct me if i’m wrong but wasn’t OSU on the short end of 30 + point beatdown?

As of right now, the MNC should be played b/w LSU and Oregon. That is subject to change obviously, but I do believe these are the best teams in the land.

By tim

November 13, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

that was sarcasm about ohio st. i think lsu could be the #1 team but i would not say they are the best ever. not even the best lsu team ever. i think they are a qb short of being one of the best teams ever.

By tim

November 13, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

3 Rivers jacket, the problem with the big 12(I mean 4) is that they are really top heavy and the top teams don’t even play each other. When your test is OK st that got beat badly by GA and Troy I can’t give you no respect. If Kansas wins out they deserve a championship shot but I don’t think that will happen. OK beat MO so if they beat KS they would have a chance to go to the national championship. Too bad for the sooner their victory over hurricanes means nothing now

By ARdawg

November 13, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

m

It’s tough to tell if you are an ACC conference fan or a Sunbelt conference fan. Either way, your jealousy reeks. You don’t appear very bright either but that doesn’t necessarily rule you out a GT fan. Anyways, good luck in your career and barber college

By reality check

November 13, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Before the season started it was obvious Georgia would be young but talented. The Dawgs have grown up during the season thanks to sound coaching and they are a load now.

The way this season has gone in general there could be a letdown against Kentucky or Tech I suppose, but I don’t see that happening. Georgia is playing as well as any team in college football right now and I have never seen depth in Athens like we have now

By Gator Nation

November 13, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

The question “Will Kansas Jump Over Oregon” isn’t the interesting question coming up for college football. If Kansas beats Missouri and “a run the rest of the table” Oklahoma, they should and will jump Oregon.

Here is the intersting question possibly coming in college football. Who deserves a national championship shot between these one loss teams: LSU, Oregon, West Virginia, Ohio St. and Missouri/Oklahoma???? (assuming just one loss) All of their schedules are to regional to say one is better than another. And we still may have a similar question after the bowl games have been played.

My take is that I would put LSU vs Missouri. My rational: LSU stomped Va Tech. Missouri beat Illinois. A pretty sorry rational I agree. Oregon could scream about beating Michigan. But I would counter with the fact that both Missouri and LSU had to win championship games.

A lot has to happen to get to this scenario. But, it would provide a lot of fodder and fuel for coming up with at least a plus-1 playoff system.

By Jacob

November 13, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Georgia Tech Has 4 National championships while Georgia only has 2!!!!!!hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

By ARdawg

November 13, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Gator Nation

Oregon played a much tougher schedule in and out of conference to date than has Kansas. Even if KU were to win out (which is highly unlikely) and Oregon did win out which is highly likely, true KU would be undefeated. But can you honestly say without conviction that KU is better than Oregon given both teams win out? Kansas couldn’t help who it played I agree, but those teams none of were ranked. It’s a tough call. Being undefeated should count for something. But it should have counted for something for Auburn back in 04 too.

For me, Kansas schedule is just too weak to get them in the NC game. Of course I said the same thing about Ohio St too before their demise

By Gator Nation

November 13, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

ARdawg,

I definitley cannot say with any conviction that an undefeated Kansas team is better than Oregon. Or vice versa. But I will say this. An undefeated Kansas would have finished strong by beating two top five teams while winning a conference championship game. And finish the year as the only Big 6 conference school that is undefeated. I think the pollsters would reward this and jump them over Oregon. I do agree with you that this is unlikely, but if it happens I stand by my original statement. I actually think Missouri and Oklahoma are both better than Kansas.

By JB

November 13, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

JACOB:
lose to the Dawgs and your program will be as low as I’ve seen it since Bill Lewis was there ! You guys need to hire a young, full of p** and vinegar type coach….Like Hatcher at Georgia Southern. You guys stink under Gailey.

By ARdawg

November 13, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Gator Nation

Fair enough. And like you I think Mizzou and Oklahoma are the better team with Mizzou being the more tested team. I believe time will prove this to be the case. Perhaps if I am wrong Kansas will deserve a shot at the NC. But I really can’t see Kansas competing in a NC game against an LSU, Oregon or even a WVU. It’d be worse than a FL/OSU match up

By Dorsey Hill

November 13, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Jacob,

Yes, Georgia Tech has 4 NC’s and at one time was a football powerhouse. They have the scoring record of 222-0 vs. Cumberland. They had Bobby Dodd and John Heisman as coaches. In their day, Tech was pretty good. UGA vs. Tech was like Bama vs. Auburn, but now Tech sucks really bad and the rivalry now is more like the New England Patriots vs. the Jets. Its sad really how badly they have fallen. I think it would be nice to have some in-state competition, but I guess we’ll have to wait for Georgia State to get a football program. BTW: have you ever heard of a college stadium reducing the number of seats except for Tech? I mean everyone else is expanding. We’ve gone from around 70,000 in 1980 to 93,000 now while Tech pulled out like 20,000 seats. It reminds me of the line from Spinal Tap: “our appeal has become more selective.”

You know who also used to be pretty good?: the Univ of Chicago and Fordham. Tech has joined these programs into the “dust bin of history.”

Finally, I’d like to say that having a Tech fan talk smack about football on a UGA board is just sad and stupid. I mean its 6 in a row now and just going to get worse and worse. If I were you I’d also keep my thoughts in the past b/c the present and future look pretty ugly for the Pee-Stained Nerds of North Avenue.

By Mikey

November 13, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Georgia should be concentrating 100%on UK, as I’m sure CMR has the players doing.

Go Dawgs !! Beat the cats !!

By Gator Nation

November 13, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

To Dorsey Hill:

This is not a UGA message board. Its a college football message board. UGA wasn’t even one of the 5 topics (except in relation to LSU).

But…..I don’t see how a tech fan can talk smack either. And nolne of us should be quoting National Championships that are over 30 years old. Unless we are Notre Dame fans. Because they have nothing else to talk about.

Weiss’ new records are impressive though. But, he was a genius when it comes to when to renegoiate your contract.

By GT

November 13, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

I thought Georgia would get beat by Auburn. After seeing that I think Georgia can beat LSU or anybody else. It is all coaching, they have the talent.

By Steve Spurr-em-on

November 14, 2007 7:54 AM | Link to this

Since choirboy CMR has promised not to ask the team to do anything that would draw a penalty to get them fired up, and since he will run out of colors to dress the team up in, I suggest yellow, based on your nonconference schedule, the Dowwggs - how its pronounced by the typical Georgia cracker - will realize that it really is up to them to play as a team to win. With that realization they will fold faster than Osama Bin Ladens tent in Afghanistan

By J. Schafer

November 14, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Hey sportsfans, it should be pointed out that Kansas played Kansas State WHEN K-State was ranked in the top 25 and when Colorado was ranked 19. Kansas also clobbered Nebraska by more points than anyone, ever. I don’t care what kind of a season Nebraska is having, they’re always good. Indeed, Nebraska buried K-State.

By J. Schafer

November 14, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Hey Sportsfans- Kansas HAS, indeed, played a Top 25 team already this season. Kansas State was ranked 25 when Kansas played and defeated them. The KU Jayhawks will likely play at least two more top-ranked teams before it’s all over. And I don’t care what kind of season Nebraska is having, they’re always a good, tough team. And yet, this season, Kansas beat Nebraska by more points than anyone — ever. I take nothing away from LSU, Oregon or other top tier teams, but everyone should realize there’s an inherent east and west coast bias for other conferences. The bottom line? The BIG 12 is a very tough conference and for Kansas to have been victorious ON THE ROAD in this conference and remain unbeaten so far… well, that says something. I’ll grant you… Baylor and Iowa State are not powerhouse teams. BUT… unless your team has already played Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, K-State, Colorado and / or Missouri this year… you really have no idea how good these teams can play… or how tough the Big 12 conference is, year after year after year.

Commenting is open from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. M-F

Post a comment



Remember me?

You may use the following formatting:
Bold: **this text will be bolded** = this text will be bolded
Italic: *this text will be italic* = this text will be italic
Link: [text to be linked](http://www.ajc.com) = text to be linked



There will be a delay of up to 5 minutes before your comment appears.


*HTML not allowed in comments. Your e-mail address is required.

 

Kudzu.com: Mosquitos are breeding.  Ready for the bites?
Today's deal from DealSwarm.com

Local sports videos





AJC Breaking News Updates