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Can LSU handle being No. 2?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
For the fourth time this season No. 2 got beat again last week, when Boston College fell to Florida State. So now it’s LSU’s turn to snuggle up to No. 1 Ohio State. Can LSU handle it? Are we FINALLY done with the drama for this season? Has all the cream risen to the top?
Not a chance.
Here is this week’s Tony B. Top Five.
1. Ohio State (10-0): I know. I know. After watching Florida beat down the Buckeyes in Arizona last year, you think this team is a fraud. If that’s true, we’ll find out. Ohio State gets Illinois at home this week where the Bucks are a double-digit favorite. I’ve always said that the best time to play Ohio State is the week before Michigan. Don’t be surprised if Ohio State gets a scare from the Zooker.
2. LSU (8-1): What is so amazing about the Tigers is that if the ball had bounced (or been dropped) another way, LSU could be on a four-game losing streak right now. But Les Miles and the gang found a way to win three of four close games. Anyone who looks at this team up close and personal is amazed at the talent level. Having survived last Saturday’s trip to Tuscaloosa, it’s tough to see LSU losing to Ole Miss or Arkansas. Now if the Tigers get Florida or Georgia in Atlanta (SEC championship game), it might be interesting.
3. Oregon (8-1): I have friends around the country who are convinced that the Ducks are the best team in the country. And when you look at the way QB Dennis Dixon and RB Jonathon Stewart run up and down the field, they just may have a point. The question is: How would this team match up against LSU’s defense? If Ohio State stumbles in the next two weeks, we just might find that out.
4. Oklahoma (8-1): The way the Sooners played against Texas A&M (42-14) it’s hard to see anyone stopping them. But they have a couple of interesting games coming up. On Nov. 17 they go to Texas Tech, which is always an adventure. Then they play at home game against an Oklahoma State team that is getting healthy again. Then the Sooners will face either Kansas (9-0) or Missouri (8-1) in the Big 12 championship game.
5. West Virginia (7-1): When QB Pat White and RB Steve Slaton are healthy, this is easily one of the top five teams in America, if not the top three. And right now they are very healthy. The Mountaineers are entering a tough stretch: Louisville on Thursday, at Cincinnati on Nov. 17, and at home against No. 13 Connecticut (8-1) on Nov. 24. Do not forget about this team.




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Comments
By m
November 6, 2007 7:57 AM | Link to this
The main thing these top 5 schools have in common are that they are NOT coached by CHAN GAILEY….who happens to be the sorriest excuse for a college coach in HISTORY. He should be fired today….because one of his teams will NEVER be in the top 5.
By MIke
November 6, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this
Tony, I did not realize that Florida or GA were the only two teams that has a shot at winning the SEC East? If GA gets there, I see them beating LSU badly and finishing in the top 5. The TN and SC loss are figments of our imagination and weren’t really losses…just practices to get ready to take town FL and AU.
By MIke
November 6, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this
Tony, I did not realize that Florida or GA were the only two teams that has a shot at winning the SEC East? If GA gets there, I see them beating LSU badly and finishing in the top 5. The TN and SC loss are figments of our imagination and weren’t really losses…just practices to get ready to take down FL and AU.
By Mahalos Dawg
November 6, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
Ye’t agai’n th’e Islander’s o’f Hawai’i ar’e disrespecte’d. Yo’u shal’l ru’e th’e da’y, Barnhart.
By El Sid
November 6, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
You mentioned that if LSU played GA or FLA in the SEC championship game it may be the next interesting game they have. I am a Dawg from way back but what about TENN. They are in the driver’s seat to go to Atlanta. Are you saying that if the Vols play LSU it would not be as big a struggle for them as the dogs or gators? I would also love to see LSU and Oregon go at it. I think that would be a interesting football game.
By Adam
November 6, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
Tony, Why do you think GA is going to be there? Is this the same GA team that loss to a weak TN and weaker SC team?
By somesuchdawg
November 6, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
No, Adam, you jeanyus, its the other GA team that plays in the SEC. You know, the one filled w/ students who didnt kick your butt in school for being a moronic smart-alec.
By Eric1
November 6, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this
Can UGA still make it to Atlanta after getting beat by Auburn on Saturday and by Kentucky a week later? I don’t think so. War Eagle!!!
By Big Dawg
November 6, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this
As for Ohio State they have beaten everybody on their schedule so far and thus deserve their # 1 ranking. They will be tested in their next 2 games and they have a trap game this week with Illinois who is capable of beating them.
LSU appears to be on the same kind of run that the Gators were on last year. Great defense with a veteran offense with lots of skill players to make big plays. Tremendous team speed on both sides of the ball. The only two teams in the SEC that match up are Florida and Georgia.
Oregon looks great on offense but their achielies heal is their defense.
Oklahoma isn’t as good or as bad as they have looked at times. Freshman QB still making mistakes will cost them in another game. They will probably win the Big 12 but IMHO they are not the best team in that conference as I believe Kansas is. We will see as OK has OK ST who is capable of beating them and Missouri and Kansas have their annual showdown in a few of weeks as well.
West Virginia has an outstanding offense and a much improved defense, one of those teams that can beat anybody. This team with all of that speed presents match up problems for most everybody exception- LSU. They still have to beat 3 pretty good teams in Louisville, Cincinatti, and the surprise team of the year Connecticut.
Kansas is a very dangerous team and playing really well with a lot of confidence. This team can beat anybody especially if they are taken likely. Could be left out NC game even if they go undefeated.
This is shaping up as a very entertaining season and promises to get even more so.
Go Dawgs
By GreatBigGator
November 6, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
Tony,
It seems the strategy to the BCS is to play the weakest schedule and let everyone else lose..see Kansas and OSU. I think it is time for SOS to be made more of a factor.
The Buckeyes have played 1 team currently ranked in the BCS Top 25 (PSU #23). It is not a coincidence that Michigan starts off 0-2 and is undefeated in their conference schedule. The BIG 10 is a BIG JOKE.
I can’t wait for the undefeated Buckeyes to get exposed again by the SEC.
By adam
November 6, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this
Big Dawg, why do you think only FL or GA match up athletically with LSU? Why not SC or TN? Seems to me that TN has a pretty good offense and SC has a pretty good defense (minus the McFadden incident).
By physicsDawg
November 6, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
I can say with relative ease, that the team currently coached by Chan Gailey, will never be in the top 5! LOL
By Eric1
November 6, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this
Hogs beat LSWHO.
By AltamahaDawg
November 6, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Tony said if Ga or Fl get there, he believes they would match up interestingly. Obviously he knows the SEC standings folks. For whatever reason he didnt think UT (who he understands could get there)had the making of an “interesting” matchup. Stop correcting him on a point he did not make.
By the way Adam, is that the same SC team that has lost thier last (lost count)? or Tn that has also showed a few weaknesses? Is it possible that Tony is refering to how teams are playing in the actual present day? Maybe the teams playing in the SEC game wouldnt be magically pulled from 2 month ago. Hell if that were the standard, tech would be in the ACC title game.
By Eric
November 6, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
Is Auburn still in the league?
By TNMountie
November 6, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
OSU still has Michigan, LSU still has a possible date in the SEC title game, Oregon still has UCLA, Oklahoma still has Big 12 title game, and WVU has three tough games left. It should make for a very interesting November.
I would love to see a matchup of LSU’s defense against WVU’s offense. WVU is currently 4th in the nation in scoring defense and 6th in rushing defense, and would probably match up well with LSU’s fast wide receivers.
By War Eagle
November 6, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Big Dawg, There is considerable difference LSU playing Auburn, Bama, Florida, Kentucky while Ohio State battles Youngstown State, Akron, Kent State, Minnesota(got beat by North Dakota State).How many games would Ohio State win with this schedule, how about 2-2 or 1-3? Looking forward to game Saturday, you got a good player in Moreno which makes Stafford more effective. Good luck against KY. and Tech
By mcdawg
November 6, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
the reason UGA could make it interesting for LSU is that the dawgs are a team that is getting better and better-the O-Line is getting better and better-the D is becoming more and more confident and starting to make big plays-in short they are learning how to win—if we get by Auburn and Kentucky and yes GT (who still has a good hard hitting Defense-not to mention T. Choice) then i would put the dawgs on the field with any of he top 5 teams in the country and the game would have to be a pick’em-but we are getting ahead of ourseleves-the thing to do is take one game at time
By will
November 6, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Where is CockoftheWalk or Gamecock11???? You guys were contantly on this blog saying that after the GA win you were ready to join the SEC Elite. Instead you are at the SEC bottom and Spurrier is looking at Auburn in case you didn’t know. But I guess I’m glad you can still say you beat my dogs this year but me personally, I would rather be fighting for a SEC crown then already thinking about next year. ps.. Since 9-5-07- Georgia 7-1 Chickens 5-4.
By Gen Neyland
November 6, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
Prior to opening day kickoff, there was a feeling in these blogs that no way a SEC team finds it’s way to the BCSNC game this season ( me included )…With our success as a conference in the BCS, the thought of spreading the love seemed to be overwhelming this year…If Kansas runs their table, will they have earned the right in the eyes of the human factor to play for the NC..? I know it’s still early and there are games to play and ifs to answer, but to see another SEC team play for and win the NC would be the coup de grace for our conference in still, the first decade of the BCS…LSU is our best shot…
By Sherwood Schwartz
November 6, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
If KU runs the table & defeats OU in the Big XII Championship Game they definitely deserve a spot in the NC game.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
By Big Dawg
November 6, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this
adam
Big Dawg, why do you think only FL or GA match up athletically with LSU? Why not SC or TN? Seems to me that TN has a pretty good offense and SC has a pretty good defense (minus the McFadden incident).
While Tennessee has a very good QB, probably one of the 5 best in college this year, they have too many holes, especially on defense. In talking about Defense they just don’t have the athletes that FL or GA has on that side of the ball I realize neither FL or GA has been consistently good on D but IMHO they still have been better than the Vols. AS for South Carolina while they have a very good defense their O has been very suspect at times and they have personnel problems on this side of the ball such as Coach Spurrier changing QB’s at a drop of the hat and an offensive line that has been very inconsistent. Anyway all of this is just conjecture at this point as each of these teams have 2 to 3 more conference games left. It does make for interesting conversation though and I hope all of the SEC teams go to bowl games and win.
Go Dawgs
By JD
November 6, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
I think it’s funny that WVU’s tough stretch is against a terrible Louisville team, a Cincy team that has no good wins, and a fraudulent UConn team. Gimme a break. The Big East a is a joke.
By Matthew
November 6, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
It’s nice to see Tony finally including Georgia in the SEC-Championship speculation… Georgia has two big tests coming up… But I have faith. GO DAWGS!
By Buck
November 6, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
66 reasons to love Steve Spurrier http://www.gatoralert.com/content/view/2677/47/
By Corndawg
November 6, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
Tony- What is it going to take for you and the rest of the national media to call for a playoff? No offense, but this system of you and the other writers deciding who is number 1 and 2 is completely bogus. If you writers have so much fun ranking teams, then pick the top 8 and put them in a playoff. That would be 3 extra games for the participants in a championship game. My highschool went 15-0 last year en route to winning state; I didn’t hear anyone complaining that was too many games to put the kids through.
By Big Dawg
November 6, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
War Eagle
Big Dawg, There is considerable difference LSU playing Auburn, Bama, Florida, Kentucky while Ohio State battles Youngstown State, Akron, Kent State, Minnesota(got beat by North Dakota State).How many games would Ohio State win with this schedule, how about 2-2 or 1-3? Looking forward to game Saturday, you got a good player in Moreno which makes Stafford more effective. Good luck against KY. and Tech
War Eagle been a while how are you doing? I have been praying for you and Buck, BTW Buck would like for you to contact him his phone # is (206) 441-4895. As for Ohio State I didn’t say anything about their schedule being tough or weak only that they had beaten everybody they have played so far and thus because they are undefeated deserved to be ranked # 1. My personal opinion about the Big 11, I’m sorry Big 10, is they are not a top tier conference right now and I agree with you if they had to play 5 to 6 really tough opponents they would most likely have lost at least one or two games. Anyway I think they might lose this weekend as I have seen Illinois play several times this year and while they have been inconsistent they are capable of beating OSU, plus OSU has to go to Ann Arbor this year and it is Carr’s last home game as head coach so Michigan will be all fired up. I’m looking forward to Saturdays game as well and look for a hard fought and close game with the Tigers, too bad there has to be a loser in this game. As someone else pointed out we have always had a friendly rivalry with each other not that bitter hatred that exists between us and Florida or GT or you and Bama. BTW I wish Auburn Good Fortune the rest of the year as well. No such thing as luck.
Go Dawgs
By Gator Nation
November 6, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this
Corndawg,
Where have you been? Barnhart and the majority of the national media and fans have been calling for a playoff for years. The only reason we don’t have one is greed by the BCS conferences (School Presidents mostly). They want to keep all the bowl/BCS game money for themselves and not share it with the other conferences (like basketball does). If you want to complain to someone, complain to the presidents of the BCS conference schools. They are in charge.
By Realistic Ricky
November 6, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this
Mike…
You lose all credibility with your “I see the Dawgs beating LSU badly” statement. While your GREAT Dawgs team lost AT HOME to a mediocre SC team, got DESTROYED by a mediocre UT team and just got LUCKY against a weak Vandy team, only a pretty good UK team has been able to beat LSU (and that was in OT). Considering these FACTS, only a person who knows ZERO about college football could make a statement as DUMB as yours.
By Corndawg
November 6, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this
Gator Nation
I hear what you are saying but instead of Tony and others saying “its going to be interesting to see what happens” over and over, how about the writers speak up occassionally and say “its too bad these questions will never be answered because we don’t have a playoff”. In other words, I think Tony is playing along with a broken, bogus system when he puts out his Top Five. On the one hand it is just entertainement for us junkies, but on the other he has a direct influence (by his vote) over the matchups. I would prefer that he preface his Top Five with a disclaimer that even though he is playing along with the system (ie, the BCS), he feels the system is broken and that a playoff would be a better way to decide matters.
By TNMountie
November 6, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
By JD
November 6, 2007 12:34 PM
I think it’s funny that WVU’s tough stretch is against a terrible Louisville team, a Cincy team that has no good wins, and a fraudulent UConn team. Gimme a break. The Big East a is a joke.
We think it’s funny that SEC fans don’t think there is any other football played outside of the South.
Let’s see:
Auburn, a team that beat Florida and nearly beat LSU, loses AT HOME to South Florida from the Big East.
Miss. State, a team that beat Auburn and KY, gets smoked by 4 TD’s against WVU.
Not to mention: the SEC schedules more games against 1-AA competition than any other BCS conference. While the Big East has the best two-year record against OOC BCS opponents.
I’m afraid the joke is on you. Look at the computer rankings. The Big East is currently #2 in the nation in SOS, and only 2 points behind the SEC.
Try actually doing research before spouting off nonsense.
By CFan
November 6, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
Mike, did you say you see UGA beating LSU “badly” if the make the championship game?!? Delusional. It’s also great to hope UGA wins the SEC East, but they still have to get by Auburn & Kentucky AND have Tennessee lose another SEC game. If both Georgia & Tennessee lose one then UT owns the tiebreaker, unless Florida gets by S. Carolina which would leave a 3-way or 4-way (if Kentucky wins out) tie that would go to Florida by division record.
By Gobux
November 6, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
LSU would be lucky to be 5 and 5 if they were in the Big 10, the SEC is way over-rated. I agree OSU played a horrible game in the 2007 NC game, but they were off 52 days, and were convinced by the media that all they had to do was show up to trounce Fla. They also lost Ted Ginn Jr. on the first play which kept Fla. from having to double team him. Remember Wisconsin and Penn State triumphed over Ark and Tenn in last years bowls….
By DwayneL
November 6, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this
Mike is on drugs if he thinks the bulldogs would beat LSU in the SEC Championship!! UGA isn’t in the same league as LSU this year….save the dream for next year!
By Realistic Ricky
November 6, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Gobux…
Regarding your insane assertion that “LSU would be lucky to be 5-5 in the Big 10”, please see my earlier response to Mike. Are you two guys related or something???
By T-Bone
November 6, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
It is interesting that no one will put Kansas in their top 5 even though they are undefeated, but they will put Ohio State there. I would say that Kansas’ Big 12 schedule is actually tougher that Ohio State’s. I’m not so much arguing for Kansas to be in the top 5—I don’t think they should—I’m arguing that Ohio State should not be. They haven’t really played anybody good, so I don’t think we know how good they are. Does anybody think they would beat LSU? Oklahoma? Oregon? West Virginia? I didn’t think so. If an undefeated status is gets one into the top 5, then put Kansas in (and Hawaii, for that matter), but if not, take Ohio State out and put the better teams there. Hell, I don’t know if they would beat BC, Missouri, Va Tech …
By Gobux a joke
November 6, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
GOBUX IS THE REASON I READ THIS BLOG!!!
By tigerfan
November 6, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
the big ten has a VERY few good teams but nothing like the sec. come on the only reason the SEC have as many loses as they do is because they beat up on each other for weeks. all rivial games are close REGUARDLESS of their records. LSU, AUBURN, AND BAMA are all hated rivials, thats why lsu struggled in those games but as someone said eairler osu has only defeated one top 25 team. LSU has a record of 5-1 against top 25teams. and remeber ky was number 8 the week b/f it beat lsu. even if we the fans think a team sucks think about their rankings first, someone above us gets paid to seed them and LSU has a record of 7-1 so week after week they have defeated a ranked opp. quote the raven…..never MORE.
By Sicem
November 6, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
OSU does not deserve to be ranked #1 this season even more than they didnt deserve it last season. They will get exposed again. Big 10? Do they play football up there?
By Sam
November 6, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
McFadden was spotted today, still running after Saturdays game on I-40 near Memphis. Gamecocks still can not get him down. Said he was headed to Vol Land.
By JD
November 6, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this
TNMountie, dude, the point is that the Big Least schedules Miss St. (a team that has been terrible for years) and that counts as a win against a BCS team. (as does Duke) But that is what the Big East does - they schedule (deliberately) the worst teams in a BCS conference and beat them. Who is the marquee OOC win for that conference this year??? Maryland? Oregon State? Navy? Duke? Murray State? Auburn is a team with 3 losses that turned the ball over 5 times and USF still needed overtime to win. You gotta do better than that.
By Jay
November 6, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this
WE DELIBERATELY SCHEDULE THE WORST TEAMS IN BCS CONFERENCES?
JD, I don’t know what planet you live on, but there is this wonderful thing called The Internet. It allows you to do all kinds of research so you won’t look foolish posting opinions that have no basis in fact.
Fact: WVU scheduled Miss. State in 2000, when MSU appeared in the Peach Bowl (and won the SEC West).
Fact: Louisville scheduled Miami (FL) in 2002, the year Miami played for the BCS title.
Fact: WVU has played Maryland every year since 1975 (including 2001-2003, when Maryland must have sucked, because they won 10 games each of those seasons).
Fact: Cincy scheduled Oregon State just after the Beavers had a 9-win season and a win in the Sun Bowl.
I guess it looks bad for the SEC when Miss. State goes on the road, AND BEATS BOTH AUBURN and KY (who were both ranked at the time), but yet got smoked both years by 4 TD’s by WVU.
Fact: since 2000, WVU has played SEC teams six times, only once in Morgantown. WVU is 6-0 in those games, avg. 36 points and over 430 yards of total offense against SEC defenses.
The SEC is a great football conference. I’m not going to even debate that. However, the world of college football does not revolve around the SEC.
Fact: The SEC schedules more games against 1-AA programs than any other BCS conference IN THE NATION (The ACC is second, the Big 12 third, the Big East fourth).
Who is the marquee OOC win for the SEC this year? VA TECH? Please. An ACC team that’s in the bottom 20 in the nation of total offense hardly qualifies. Florida State? Oklahoma State? Average teams at best.
WVU plays Auburn, Florida State, Michigan State and Colorado, all OOC, in the next four years. Can any SEC team claim that kind of OOC schedule?
By War Eagle
November 6, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this
Auburn 2008 schedule: at WVA, at Miss State, LSU, -Auburn, Tenn- Auburn Vandy, Nashville, Arkansas-Auburn, Miss Southern-Auburn,Ole Miss at Oxford, UGA-Auburn, Bama at Tissletown, working on Big 12 team and Ohio Valley team. Only Ole Miss has losing record this year so far. team…tough enough Jay??, Auburn has 76 players returning off four deep rotation (88)
By TNMountie
November 7, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this
Absolutely, War Eagle! That’s a great schedule! JD makes some idiotic statement that Big East teams DELIBERATELY schedules the worst teams from BCS conferences. Which could not be further from the truth. If that were true, then why was WVU’s 2007 schedule rated as one of the 20 toughest schedules when the season started?????
Case in point: two years ago, Louisville contacted EVERY SEC team about possbily playing a neutral site game in Nashville. Every SEC team said “no”. Then UGA finally stepped up and agreed to a home-and-home.
After Rich Rodriguez took the WVU job, Clemson found a convienent excuse to back out of their home-and-home contract with WVU. So they could play….Furman.
I, for one, can’t wait for next Labor Day, when Auburn comes to Morgantown to play. Both teams will be ranked in the Top 20, and that will surely be a night game on ESPN.
I just wish some people (like JD)would actually do research before spouting off nonsense.
By FLA DAWG
November 7, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this
Tony, I’m a Dawg but I gotta say that Tenn seems to be in a good spot for the SEC East right now. Afterall, they whipped us pretty good. But if the Dawgs can beat Auburn and Kentucky then UGA probably goes to Atlanta. If that happens and the Dawgs can’t beat LSU then there is nothing more I’d like to see than LSU up against Oregon for the National Title! Let’s show the country (again) that the SEC is far and away the toughest conference in the country. Almost all the loses SEC teams have are against each other. Why won’t more non conference top 20 teams schedule games against us? They don’t want a regular season loss - period!
By Bob
November 7, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this
Jay,
How about this for OOC schedule over the next 10 years. All home and away…Arizona State, Colorado, Oklahoma State, Louisville, Clemson and Oregon. Don’t forget our home and home with Ga. Tech. Next year Georgia plays S. Carolina, Arizona State, LSU, Auburn, Kentucky on the road Florida in Jax and Tennessee, Alabama, Vandy and Tech at home. Nuff said!
By gobux
November 7, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this
We will see at bowl time how the rediculously over-rated SEC teams do against the rest of the country. My bet is < 500. LSU has no chance of being NC. They are not good enough. Their defense sucks and their QB is very inconsistent. Fla and Ga would both beat LSU easily now, not to mention OSU, Oregon, USC, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Auburn again. Keep dreaming LSU fans… Even the year you won the NC (split by the way) you didn’t deserve it, you didn’t play the best team!
By Jay
November 7, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
Bob:
That is an AWESOME schedule. I give UGA all the credit in the world for having that kind of schedule! Some of these other schools need to step up and do the same.
WVU is going to have home-and-away series with Colorado, FSU, Mich. State and Auburn all in the next six years.
Louisville is going to have home-and-away games with UGA, KY, Oregon State, and Kansas State.