Mr. College Football

By Roswell Ed

October 1, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Hey UGA fans-

Is there anything better than beating Florida twice in a row?

OH- NEVER MIND. I forgot who I was asking.

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Is it true that the classless BAMMER NATION threw drinks on the UGA players last Sat?

Hey Bammer fans they were there to play football not raise money for tornado relief.

What a difference 10 days makes!!

WAR EAGLE!

By Dawgingatorville

October 1, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

This Monday morning has been one of the best Monday’s in a LONG, LONG time! I live in Gainesville Florida and I am a die hard Dawg fan. I know I am riding the backs of the WAR Eagle crowd but THIS IS GREAT!!

For today, WAR EAGLE!!

By Alex

October 1, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

I don’t think that many AU fans were too down on Tubby. Although we were unrealistically hopeful going into the season, we all admitted this team was too young once the losing started.

Each loss came down to the last second and had one of five turnovers not happened, we would have one them both. But whaddayaknow, South Florida is pretty darn good, and I think we can chalk MSU (though improved over last year) up as a hangover loss. The New Mexico State game was a confidence builder and Florida paid the biggest price.

These youngsters will face more tough tests this year, but they look to be laying the foundation for excellence in ‘08 and/or ‘09.

War Damn Eagle!!!

By KR

October 1, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Tony, I’m one of the Auburn faithful who is not a fan of Tuberville’s. I was an Auburn faithfull long before Tommy arrived on the Plains and will still be one long after he’s moved on.

My biggest beef with him is that he continually starts aggressive, gets a lead and then goes conservative and lets the other team get back in the game. He switches to a prevent style defense and a low percentage style of offensive play calling. That’s exactly what happened Saturday night.

Why didn’t he take a couple of shots at the end zone when he was up by 14 and had the ball on his own 40 with 25 seconds to go in the half?

Why did he stop running the ball up the middle (where he was having success) and switch to running to the outside (where there was no success)?

If you ever want a shot at the BCS title, winning by 1-3 points at the end of the game won’t get you there.

There are many other reasons to question Tuberville; those just come to mind immediately.

That being said, I’m happy for a great win by our team and hope our coaching staff has figured out the mix of good play calling and team motivation.

WAR EAGLE!

By Eric

October 1, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

That anguished look of pain on the face of Oscar Meyer at Florida Field was priceless. We’re back Baby!!! War Eagle!!!

By Rebecca

October 1, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Roswell Ed, yes, they did. You could see it on the TV broadcast as Georgia won and they were hurling things into the end zone. As David Letterman used to say, “They pelted us with rocks and garbage.”

By Oneseven

October 1, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Go Vols!!

By TCBinATL

October 1, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

I know it’s a favorite, and I’m no fan of the system myself, but it’s way too early to start fretting over the BCS…especially since there’s nothing we can do about it.

Auburn’s win definitely injected new excitement into the SEC East race, and I’m betting practices this week will feel an energy boost because of it.

Don’t take too much of what you hear on sports talk radio as gospel, Tony. Most AU fans are very appreciative of CTT’s work on the Plains (KR’s point duly noted), though a rocky start during the “easy” part of the schedule was/is a cause for concern. Hopefully Saturday’s win is a start in the right direction, and now the loss to South Florida and the struggles against K-State don’t look quite so bad.

War Eagle!

Oh, and one last comment…that last millisecond time-out call, as used by Sub-Urban Meyer Saturday night, is just weak. I’ve seen it used both with the pros and in college, and while it’s obvious within the rules, it’s still a punk-a@@ move.

By ctb

October 1, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

I was hoping that auburn would pull a rabbit out of their a$$,ok back to normal auburn will lose at least three more.The thing is you auburn people dont see how good tuberville is he just doesnt have QB.UGA will win the rest of their games that O line coach has done one of the best coaching jobs I have ever seen. GO DAWGS !!!!!!!!

By Jumbo

October 1, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

Oh boy, Auburn wins a big game and the closet fans come out running their mouths. These were the same guys that were building www.firetuberville.com last week.

Nice win War Eagles, Plainsmen, Tigers. We appreciate it but you guys are still 2-2 so don’t get so cocky just yet.

By Fort Worth Dawg

October 1, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

I was sure Florida was going to call its last timeout so I was hoping Auburn would miss it only to make it on the retry, making Florida fans question their coach.

By BeeBad

October 1, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Hopefully, Tech will lose at Maryland this weekend so I can stop “hiding” my football(sic) message board. I tried to fool folks into thinking I was having server problems and had the whole thing shut down after the win this past Saturday, but the real GT folks didn’t fall for it. Bummer.

BeeBad

bbuzzoff@hotmail.com

By luckydog

October 1, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

TCB, totally agree more on that BUSH-LEAGUE timeout by Meyer at the end. Icing a kicker is one thing, but it’s PATHETIC to try and win by making him kick twice. I don’t care who else has done it, I lost all respect for Meyer right there…..

Tony, what do you think on this? Is there any sort of rule change that could prevent coaches from distorting the game with this tactic??

By Sam

October 1, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Wouldn’t it have been funny to see Byrum miss but the TO nullified it and then he hits the FG on the second try?

That would have been priceless.

I hear people talking about the last second TO call. My question is how would you fix this?

By James

October 1, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Tony, please don’t start this BCS crap this early. There is much football yet to be played. The media wears this thing out every year and magically things tend to work out at the end of the year. Much before December, the conversation is just noise.

By Bama Dog

October 1, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Hey Roswell Ed, I would say coming to your house every other year and kicking Aubie’s butt is pretty good. Will you guys ever learn to win with class? (that’s a retorical question, as we all know the anser is No)

By telfairgirl

October 1, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

I am a Dawg but hats off to Auburn this week. Watching Florida get beaten is better than getting an extra week of vacation!

By The other Bulldawgs

October 1, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Hey Roswell Ed, how does it feel to beat Mississippi State? Woops, forgot who I was talking to.

By Objective observer

October 1, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Question. If Auburn went into Florida and ran the ball well against Florida, and Auburn is starting three true freshmen offensive linemen, how is it that Georgia is doing a better job of coaching the linemen?

No doubt that Coach Searels has done a fabulous job with a young line. However, if Auburn provided the blueprint for how to win in the SEC, and against a top 5 team on the road, then I’d have to say that Auburn’s coaching staff has done a fair job with a younf O-line as well.

Quote from the article - “The key to winning on the road in the SEC is the ability to run the football. Auburn proved that again Saturday night at Florida.”

By To Bama Dog

October 1, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

It’s “rhetorical.” And it’s “answer.” And - I’m no expert on the series, but don’t both teams typically win the road game in the UGA-Auburn series?

By scooter11

October 1, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Tuberville said he would have done the same thing as Meyer on the TO call. So, is it ‘class’ or ‘no-class’?

By dawgfacedboy

October 1, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Sam- that would’ve made that win for everyone just a little bit sweeter!!

By Roscoe

October 1, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Truly funny that the first person to complain about lack of class on this forum has continually displayed the most foul mouth & worst ethnic jokes ever viewed here. Hilarious!

By mcdawg

October 1, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

that Auburn Defense looked pretty stout to me-any word on injuries beside marcus washington?? Velasco???we are going to need lumpkin before the season is through??

By Timeout Guy

October 1, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

A late timeout is within the rules, so what’s the problem? If a coach doesn’t take advantage of the rule, then why do they pay him? If the rule is not a good one, change it (although it was changed to allow for sideline timeouts about three years ago.) It was fair, and that’s that.

By TomJoad

October 1, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

There it is, cut and pasted out of the Knobler article, “Jackets passing deficiency”: The defense was playing so well, Gailey said, he told offensive coordinator John Bond to stay conservative. Please, Gailey, you’re the only coach in 1-A who would sit on a 4 pt lead. Let the OC do the job he was hired to do!

By Roswell Ed

October 1, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Can’t we CROW a little this AM?

I can tell you that it’s a lot better than eating crow.

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FYI:

AU has only ever had one mascot since the school was founded and that is the TIGER.

We have a battle cry and a nickname for our students but only ONE MASCOT.

Please show your ignorance and keep posting the War Eagles, Plainsmen, Tigers. YOU ONLY PROVE WHAT AN UA EDUCATION MEANS.

What about UGA? Wasn’t their 1st mascot a goat?

What about UT? Is it Smokey or a Volunteer.

What about UA? Is it an elephant, a Crimson Tide, or

Two rolls of toilet paper and an empty box of detergent?

AROUND THE HOLE- BABY

By Carlton Powell

October 1, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Remember that punk-a*******ed coach, Urban Meyer, HAD to try ANYTHING to get the win. He had been outcoached, and his players outplayed all night long. It was a cheap, cheesy move. Only losers make such a move. If you’re a real team, such a move would not have been required. Consider the source people. I only wish the Bulldogs could get their heads straight and put a real a$$ whipping on him. An a$$ whipping where all he could do would be look into the tv camera and say, “we got our a*******es whipped.” I thank God every morning my college degrees don’t come from UF.

By gtfan55

October 1, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Taylor Bennet please be good this week. Oh yeah and Go Vols!!!

By BadDawg

October 1, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Roswell Ed, act like you’ve won a game before & quit sounding like a big mouth jerk.

By Roswell Ed

October 1, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Roscoe:

If redneck is a new ethnic group then I do make Alabama err…. etnic jokes.

If not shut your mouth.

By georgiagirl49

October 1, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

This is no relation to the topic being discussed but I need help. I am trying to buy florida tickets online what side is georgia and what side is florida I went to razor gator and I cant tell which side is ours I hate to sit on the florida side HELP I need 3 tickets

By jc_atl

October 1, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

It was a great Auburn win in typical Tuberville fashion - beat the team you’re supposed to lose to and beat them at home. I don’t think we can assume that we’ll have a great season at this point but the future looks bright with so many freshmen stepping up and making a difference and gaining the experience of the big game atmosphere, particularly in the Swamp. Quentin Groves is out for at least 2 games which will hurt on defense (he was out the entire 4th quarter) but we do get Brad Lester back this week at RB and that’s a great thing.

In my book Tuberville would have to come up with 2 really stinker seasons to justify firing the guy. Before this season began AU was 3rd in overall win/loss record only behind USC and Texas so to fire a coach or even put him on notice over a single rebuilding season would be stupid.

Looking at the Tuscaloosers and their dubious $32million gamble on Saban, nothing is guaranteed in the SEC these days. The recruiting situation is more even and fair than it was during the day so Bear Bryant so even if they could resurrect him it would never be the same dominance that Bama enjoyed when there was no limit on scholarships. Kids want to play and that means they’re going to go where they can play before they’re juniors. This is the reason that South Florida, a program only 11 years old, can beat an Auburn or W. Virginia - they have talent.

By luckydog

October 1, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

scooter: actually, what tuberville said was that he would have done the same thing in terms of calling a timeout to ice the kicker. he ALSO indicated he would have done it before the snap and first kick.

in any case, neither tuberville nor any other sec coach that I’m aware of has so blatantly twisted the sideline timeout rule into forcing an opposing kicker to make two in a row.

sadly, it revealed a lot about mr. meyer. within the rules or not, it ain’t right.

By JCubby

October 1, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Let the timeout rule stand. It’s just a matter of time before a kicker misses the first one and makes the second, and the coach who called the timeout looks like an idiot. Then nobody will do it again. It’s a gamble at best. Coaches will then go back to using the timeout to ice a kicker and keep their reputations off the toe of an opponent.

By GA Dawg

October 1, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

To Objective Observer - To answer your question, “how is it that Georgia is doing a better job of coaching the linemen?”…because you lost to Miss. State. If UGA had lost to Ole Miss this w/end, you would have had some validity.

By Roswell Ed

October 1, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

My azz is sore this morning, War Eagle!

By jc_atl

October 1, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Byrum had been golden all season for Auburn so there was no reason to suspect he would miss the first kick. I think Meyers was fully within his rights to call a timeout as the rules do not disallow it. Whether they should disallow it is a question that may get answered during the off-season depending on how much this tactic gets used. I do think that it’s a bit sleazy to wait until the kick is almost in the air before calling timeout, but again as of yet it’s not against the rules.

Either way Byrum kicks both FGs, gets to do the Gator chomp afterwards, and Meyers is still left with a big fat egg on his face.

By KR

October 1, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

scooter11 posted: Tuberville said he would have done the same thing as Meyer on the TO call. So, is it ‘class’ or ‘no-class’?

That’s not exactly what he said, but to answer your question: IMO it’s low class. I’d feel the same if Tuberville had done it.

And Timeout Guy posted: A late timeout is within the rules, so what’s the problem? It was fair, and that’s that.

Fair and within the rules does not always equal classy. For example: say you’re up by 50 with 30 seconds to go in the 4th quarter and you go for two on an extra point try. It’s fair and within the rules, but it’s a far cry from classy.

WAR EAGLE!

By Island Eagle

October 1, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

When will 1A football get a playoff like every other sport. NFL, every other football league (including 1AA, Div 2 and 3, highschool, etc.), NBA, college and profesional baseball, college basketball, NHL, soccer, etc. One day please settle the championship on the field and not by a group of sports writers!

By AltamahaDawg

October 1, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Rebecca going old school on us.

By AULaura

October 1, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

I don’t even care what UGA did; we beat FLORIDA!!! That’s enough for me!

By Ol Ball Coach

October 1, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Funny guy, that Roswell Ed. Keep on those Bammers, my friend.

Big week in the SEC East, Tony, so why talk about the BCS? No one cares about the BCS until mid November.

Do they still play football in the ACC? Oh that’s right, Maryland beat a ranked team.

By Steve

October 1, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Get your licks in now, The Gators start freshmen and sophmores 66% of line up the gator nation will rise again.

By D'Marcus Jefferson

October 1, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

I was out of town this weekend…..who won the Auburn-UF game??

Just heard this on 790 AM…..the Gators are Auburn’s B***!

Urban, I thought you had more class than the sleeze timeout at the end of the game. You and Nick….ehhh Slick belong in the same group.

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

I agree the timing of the time out was poor, but the best possible thing happened. The freshman Byrum hit both kicks. That just shows he couldn’t be iced. Then to watch him do the gator chomp after was great. If he had missed one of the two and AU still won then Fla. could have said something but by hitting them both Fla. just has to keep there mouth shut. By the way, Tebow is a stud. I don’t know if he can stay healthy but man he is something to watch. I’m a die hard Dawg fan but have to say War Damn Eagle. That game showed why SEC football is the best. I never overlook AU. Now maybe the media will see why. Now lets get ready for Rocky Top(Sanford North) Oh yeh, Ole Miss’ O line was the largest to ever suit up between the hedges. They were fast as well. I liked both our lines play, all things considered!!

By georgiagirl

October 1, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Great game for Auburn, but my friends that are AU fans forget about their team until Sat night. Now they are talking the talk again, I think that everyone has a long way to go. I love football and the DAWGS, but I have heard and seen alot of bandwagon fans this year. And the game Sat I really enjoyed that game even if I was sitting around alot of lazy a@@ UGA fans that just sit there. If you don’t want to be there then please give your ticket to the fans that would love to be there.
There are alot of great fans that would love to be there to watch these young guys play football and they are young guys.

But I will be a DAWGS fan forever and I will not put my team down. So, GO DAWGS KEEP ON GROWING UP, because there are alot of great fans that will cheer you on.

GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOOTBALL A GAME THAT IS GREAT TO WATCH WIN OR LOSE. SUPPORT YOUR TEAM

By georgiagirl

October 1, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Great game for Auburn, but my friends that are AU fans forget about their team until Sat night. Now they are talking the talk again, I think that everyone has a long way to go. I love football and the DAWGS, but I have heard and seen alot of bandwagon fans this year. And the game Sat I really enjoyed that game even if I was sitting around alot of lazy a@@ UGA fans that just sit there. If you don’t want to be there then please give your ticket to the fans that would love to be there.
There are alot of great fans that would love to be there to watch these young guys play football and they are young guys.

But I will be a DAWGS fan forever and I will not put my team down. So, GO DAWGS KEEP ON GROWING UP, because there are alot of great fans that will cheer you on.

GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOOTBALL A GAME THAT IS GREAT TO WATCH WIN OR LOSE. SUPPORT YOUR TEAM

By Objective observer

October 1, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

To GA Dawg: Yes - we lost to an inferior team. Fact is - our offensive line (again, starting 3 true freshmen) has gotten progressivley better. We ran for more than twice what Florida was allowing. Oh - and our schedule is currently ranked #11 in the nation. So, we’ve had to test it against more than just one team. My main point was that Auburn and Georgia both have very young offensive lines that have grown together very well and very quickly.

Fact is - Auburn and Georgia have both lost close games they should have won. Auburn is 1-1 against the current top 10. I’d say our 18-year old linemen are doing very well.

By Brian

October 1, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Well at least we know which conference is the best this year………….. the Pac-10.

By brooksdawgs

October 1, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Auburn fans do not complain about the Meyer timeout. About two or three years ago Auburn did this to UGA all night long. I believe it was the night you all had the long touchdown on fourth down at the end of the game in Athens. Repeatedly you all would run a play, we would stop you but somehow a timeout was call just before the snap.

Oh and Auburn fans we UGA fans know all about jumping out to a big lead and the coaching suddenly going soft and non agressive. I think Tuberville and Richt have secret phone calls about this just to make us fans crazy. God forbid UGA runs up the score on someone. I can imagine Richt was cringing at the last touchdown this past week.

By lovelyliz

October 1, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

One of the guys I work with had a really good suggestion. No pre-season ranking. Give the teams a month or so to prove themselves and then rank them accordingly.

As for the BCS BS, no system is going to satisfy everyone. You will always have undefeated teams in undeserving conferences while there will be schools with a loss who are far superior but denied a BCS berth.

Pick a method for determining the champ and stick with it. Those who don’t like it can complain until next season.

By ACC

October 1, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Not only did Maryland beat a ranked team, but I think Fla State kicked Bama out of the top 25 also. But Tony only talks about the SEC and finally Tech (its about time Mr. Football). I have to say thanks Tony, you have finally said some positive things about Tech this year time and time again. And I appreciate it.

Go Jackets!

By AU Fan

October 1, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Hey scooter11, CTT said he would have iced the kicker with a timeout, he would not have given him a practice kick. War Eagle

By Dawg Fan

October 1, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Brian…

That you think the Pac-10 is the best conference puts you with the 20% minority of American football fans who voted on that via espn.com. You can check the poll yourself. Idiot. Take your ignorant a*& somewhere else.

By HomerMOOSEvols

October 1, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

I love how everybody is remaining focused on all of last weeks antics. I guess Tennessee is being overlooked this week? Lord, I hope so. I love win overconfident UGA comes into Neyland. We will be ready UGA. I hope the same can be said for you. Go Vols! Let’s neuter some ‘dawgs!

By I-DOG

October 1, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

georgia girl.

Your exactly right, you couldn’t find an Auburn fan until Sunday morning after the big FL win. Now all of a sudden it is war eagle everywhere you look.

The opposite is true for FL. You can’t find a FL fan these days. They are like the other sock in the dryer… where do they go?

By Gailey's a Bum

October 1, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

I’m with you (TomJoad 10/1, 10:48AM post) …. just more icing on the cake that Chan Gailey is a joke … SITTING ON A 4-POINT lead!! A bunch of folks in the section I was sitting in were saying the same stuff — he’s too predictable & conservative, and we all agree too — LET THE OFF. CORD. DO THE JOB HE WAS HIRED TO DO His offenses were quite efficient the past 3 seasons at N.ILL. For me … I believe in Bennett ..the passing deficiency; it’s not Bennett, it’s the receivers - WAY too many drops so far. Tony Barnhardt … are you Mr. College Football, or Mr. “Southeast” College Football??? Wake-up! The Pac-10 is not just the best Conf. this year; they’ve been the best conf. for some time. Terry Bowden put it perfectly a few weeks back….the Pac-10 defenses don’t appear to be as rough-and-tough as the SEC’s b/c the PAC-10 offenses are so damn good. Some good stuff is going on out West; try staying-up late and watching some of their games.

By P. Carroll

October 1, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Dawg Fan—

The accomplishments of your football program, University of Georgia (hey, did you actually go there?), do not merit you taking that kind of attitude with my Pac-10 brother, Brian.

Good luck in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl or whatever irrelevant bowl you will play in to determine whether you are 6th, 9th, or 15th this year.

Fight On.

By gatorsurfer

October 1, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

It’s not over yet, the Gators are not out of run for the title (see reference 2006). Could have been worse, at least it wasn’t a loss to Miss St!

GO GATORS!!!

By Bob

October 1, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Yeah, pretty damn good weekend. Lets see, Dawgs win. Auburn beats Florida. OU loses. WVU loses. Clemson loses. And then the topper…the Mets are humiliated and blow the biggest September lead since the 30s. The Mets losing is ALMOST as good as the Gators losing. Congrats to the Auburn Tigers and BTW, thanks.

By crs

October 1, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

I would hope this UGA team would not have any delusions of grandeur or overconfidence at this point. They were a yard away from being down 14 to Ole Miss, the worst team in the SEC this year, at home. Lost to a mediocre South Carolina team, at home, nonetheless. Were fortunate to get out of Alabama with a win. Team could very well be 2-3. My motto with this years group is “just stay alive”. A good job by MR, the staff, and the players to still have every chance of winning the east with a very young oline, a still very young Stafford, and a weak d-line. Key to TN, get up early, control the clock, and keep the TN offense off the field as much as possible. A couple turnovers in the plus column would help too. First good quarterback we have really faced all year, very concerned about what Ainge will due with time to this secondary.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

I have to say i agree with the TO that Urban called but Im glad that KID from auburn stuck it through . I say its good a smart coaching call.If Richt would have been in that position and called a TO and it worked we all know we would hail him as a coaching genius!

By georgiagirl49

October 1, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Why is Ga fans loud except when they are at home? I have been to Columbia Auburn Fla Tech tennessee. WE are more excited there. Come on Dawg fans we are back in it. Make some noise.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Hey P Carroll… Go worry about your team and come on down and play a top SEC school and I know we can show you what southern football is all about!!!!

By PAC -10 # 1

October 1, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

To DAWG FAN ….

All the ESPN poll means is that you, and the majority of the other 80% can’t think for yourselves. I’m sure, by your title as DAWG Fan, you think the SEC is the best conf. Yeah, the SEC played some pretty dominate football in the 80’s & early 90’s. Meanwhile, the PAC-10 continued to chug along doing their thing because none of the so-called ‘experts’ east of the Missippi river paid attention to the PAC-10. Well media coverage, and parity have wreaked havoc on the SEC’s dominance …DAWG Fan, WATCH some PAC-10 football, and make your own decision. Maybe the SEC DAWGS (UGA) should square off with PAC-10 DAWGS (U-W)? Finally though … UGA is going west of the Mississippi in the regular season (next year vs. Arizona State) to play some football, and the SEC DAWGS get a shot to support your current decision.

By New York Jacket

October 1, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

This past weekend is demonstration enough that a playoff to determine the national championship is needed.

Let the sportswriters, the coaches and the computers come up with what they think are the top 8 teams at the end of the regular season and then play it out on the field.

If the college presidents don’t want to extend the season then let the last game of the season be played between the 8 teams opponents.

But, let the kids determine the winner on the field.

The polls are just a popularity contest.

By RK

October 1, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

I love college football. School athletics are the one bastion of loyal sporting spirit left that, for the most part, are not tainted. However, FLA.’s head coach pulled one of the most classless manuvers at the close of the game with Auburn that I can remember seeing(Woody Hayes asside). Heck, now that I think about it, it was worse. Poetic justice would two more SEC losses this month. RK.

By Jumbo

October 1, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

The time out situation is not against any rules. Yes, I think it’s sleazy to do that but it’s not against the rules.

What needs to happen is this: A rule change needs to go into effect that essentially tells the coach that, Yes you can call time out BUT you MUST call the timeout in time so that the ball does not get snapped. If the ball gets snapped, the play goes on. There is absolutely NO reason that a kicker should have to win the game twice. The UF players did not give up on the play. They played it as though there was no time out, so there was no unfair advantage to Auburn on the 1st kick. It’s a rule that desperately needs changing!

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Ho Hum another pac 10 Idoit. Sec is playing some Dominate football in the 00’s as well PAC MAN !!!!!

By will

October 1, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Did anyone catch the fact the the spoiled Gayturd fans booed their team at half-time? The team hadn’t lost a game in a year, and were only down 11!! What a bunch of spoiled, sorry losers. Now do you see why Spurrier left? I hate the “turds” even more now, I only wish GA could hang 50 on them, but I’m sure CMR will come out with another sleeper game plan.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

RK and Jumbo I have to disagree …. If its within the rules its fair. like I said if your teams coach was smart enough to do it and it changed the outcom ethen you would hail him as a coaching genius. If people dont like rule then change the rule ,but until then its acceptable and in my oppinion I dont think its sleazy or classless.

By boots

October 1, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Did anyone else notice yesterday’s comment by Carter Strickland that the Dawg’s hopes for an SEC East title were “slim?” Carter, you are a complete idiot. When I see that Chip or TB have written something, I take it seriously. When I see that you have “authored” it, I put it right up there with Lou Holtz’s views. We have an excellent shot at winning the east, and I think we are only getting better. Have you thought about being a writer for the Living Section of the AJC?

By Brian

October 1, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

I don’t have loyalty to any conference just to the teams I root for. I don’t really care for any of the PAC-10 teams, i am just not a blind homer.

The PAC-10 is top-to-bottom the best conference this year. After FLA and LSU what do you have? A UGA team that has beaten no none and has issues (see QB). An inconsisent Auburn team. A SC team starting a new, unproven QB, a bad Tennessee team, a mircale Kentucky and previously overrated Arkansas (to go with a bad Alabama team). I’d say that pretty much makes the conference good but behind the PAC-10

By dougmo

October 1, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Everyone can crow and thump their chest today. Bottom line though is nobody in the SEC can hang with LSU. Saturday if they beat Florida, the toughest part of their schedule is over. Auburn is not a problem without a passing game and Bama is inconsistant. Sorry folks the truth hurts.

By dougmo

October 1, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Everyone can crow and thump their chest today. Bottom line though is nobody in the SEC can hang with LSU. Saturday if they beat Florida, the toughest part of their schedule is over. Auburn is not a problem without a passing game and Bama is inconsistant. Sorry folks the truth hurts.

By Randy

October 1, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

What a bunch of lousy crybabies. From what I read on this post you would think Auburn had lost because of Meyer. It was not a cheap call and was perfectly legal according to the rules. Just because your coaches are idiots and don’t know the rules you think it is bad sportsmanship on Florida’s part???? Hello…Why not make it illegal to call a timeout when your defense on on the field and you are trying to find out what formation the offense has chosen. Is that not doing the same thing? Timeouts are alloted 3 per team for each half to use as they see fit. Meyer chose to use his to try to ice a freshman kicker. If you want protected babies on the field go cheeer for teams in the ACC or Pac Ten.

By P. Carroll

October 1, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Dark Corner Dawg,

If you left the dark once in a while, you’d realize that USC has played a “top SEC school” each of the previous four seasons, and was 4-0 during that stretch, including beating Auburn on the Plains 23-0 when the Tigers were preseason #1 and Arkansas 50-14 in Fayetteville last year in a season in which the Razorbacks won the SEC West. We’d be happy to play the rest of you good folks, but we’ve been informed that your schedules are too full with Western Carolina, Western Kentucky, and Troy State.

By the way, “dominant” is the adjective you are looking for (as in “USC has been dominant the past few years”). “Dominate” is a verb (as in “USC will dominate college football for the foreseeable future”).

Fight On.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Hey Brian…. We heard the SOS last year… Just Ask Ohio St,Note Dame and even Virginia Tech!

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Ditto Randy!!!!!

By jeezy

October 1, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

What a bunch of whiny, insecure “Dawg” fans. I have read more about how happy UGA fans were that FL lost than how UGA fans feel about their own team. Get a LIFE people. You are all so jealous of Florida it is actually quite humorous. Psychology 101.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

The TOs are a part of Game management and that is what the Coaches are paid to do!!

By Dawgbone

October 1, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Tony…if Tennewwee can’t stop the run it’s gonna be a long night for the Vols. Mr. Brown & Mr. Moreno should rack up some serious yardage. Go DAWGS!

What a perfect weekend to lay in the hammock and listen to Larry. Great win on a trap Saturday. The lack of UF fans posting today is refreshing and the dumbfounded look on their faces from Saturday night priceless. Talk about your crocodile tears…;-o)

DAWGBONE

By Gatorguy

October 1, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Didn’t you guys get the new rule book? You have to lose to Auburn to win the National Title….like last year.

By TS

October 1, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Enjoy it while it lasts AU and UGA fans. Everyone likes to talk about how a young Auburn team beat Florida in The Swamp. Florida has played 49 players this year that are either freshman or sophomores. My gut tells me we will stick it to UGA like it’s our job.

By SEC

October 1, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Yeah, USC is so dominant that they just got passed in the polls by LSU. Keep running your mouth though, it will only make that much sweeter when another SEC team is national champs this year.

By RK

October 1, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Running the score up is within the rules also but it is still classless. He can do it next week as well if he wants to but it would just confirm what I alredy know about him.

By gatorGuy

October 1, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

luckydog- you’re so full of it. If Richt did that you’d say it was good coaching.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

P Caroll … Thankyou for the correction on the adjective. I dont think Arkansas or Auburn has won An SEC Tittle the last 4 years. LSU, Fla. and yes UGA. I was reffering to those top SEC Teams That USC Should Play.BTW those Huskies(DAWGS) sure gave you Scare did’nt They?

By Jumbo

October 1, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

RANDY Not sure if you were responding to my post but if you were, you missed my point. Yes, I agree that it’s legal and it’s part of the game BUT the rule needs to state that they timeout is fine, just as long as it’s called in time for the ball not to be snapped.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with “icing” a kicker, but to make any kicker kick the winning FG or any FG twice is stupid!

Again, change the rule to state that the timeout needs to be called in time that the ball is not snapped. Once it’s snapped, the play stands.

By GT Fan Jeff

October 1, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Roswell Ed…

My apologies for last week’s comments regarding Auburn’s chances to beat the Gators. I did not think the Tigers could do it, and they proved me wrong once again. Good luck the rest of the year, especially against the DAWGS. Go Jackets!!!

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Yes we cant use the young excuse now we are almost halfway into to the season and the dawgs are growing up on the offensive side of the ball. Now our defense needs to hunker down!!!!

By Joey A

October 1, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Pac-10 #1, what are you smoking. The Pac-10 is a pathetic joke!! I am so sick of seeing USC hailed and praised for walking through a mediocre conference. Looks to me like they are having a fit with unranked teams this year. USC plays a cupcake schedule with maybe only 2 tough games per year. There are maybe only 3 talented teams from what I see. Like I said, they may have only 2 tough games per year. I would love to see USC, Cal, or Oregon play a full SEC schedule for 1 year. You and Kirk Herbstreit must be having a relationship. He is all over the Pac-10 as well. I know Ohio State is a Big 10 team but remember how everyone sang their praises last year for walking over nobody’s. Refresh my memory to what happened when they ran into the SEC train? Oh, wait a minute, I remember, they got blown off the field. Here’s something else for you. When USC and Texas played for the National Championship, you know why the game seemed to be so good? It was because two mediocre teams with a similar talent level played. USC got beat because they finally played someone. The pollsters suck!! They should be tarred and feathered! The Pac-10 is 10 crappy teams packed into one conference drawing comparisons to more elite conferences because all their games look tough due to lack of game! I am so mad I want to throw up!

By Randy

October 1, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Dawgbone, seems maybe you should beat someone and have a real winning season before you start barking. Alabama you won on a lucky play in overtime, South Carolina you lost.Yes Florida lost and yes they were supposed to win. But were you not supposed to win against South Carolina? If I remember my SEC history right, it seems that the p** pups have a hard time winning at home against them as well. This is precisely the reason the SEC can lay claim that our conference is better than the BiG 10 or the PAC 10 as well as all the rest of the conferences put together. We hace great teams in this conference and you have to put your players on the field each year just like we do and when the season is over you add them up. I believe it has been just a little while since you beat Florida and because of that you seem to think it’s ok for you to gloat over Florida’s loss to Auburn…why not try beating Florida for yourself sometime and then get out of your dog house and bark. woof woof……………….

By KR

October 1, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Dark Corner Dawg posted: I dont think Arkansas or Auburn has won An SEC Tittle the last 4 years.

Does 2004 ring a bell?
Undefeated? Beat Tennessee for the SEC championship? Kept out of the BCS title game?

Step out of your dark corner. There’s a complete world outside of Athens, GA.

WAR EAGLE!

By Florida=Overrated

October 1, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

How does two conference losses in a row sound Gator fans? Forget defending that national title. You’ll be fighting for your life just to defend your SEC East title. Always remember the #1 rule in college football: What goes up must come down. To think that Florida would dominate forever is laughable. Tebow might not even survive this weekend’s game against LSU. Generally when your QB leads the team in rushing that is NOT a good thing. Have fun getting the wood laid on you by LSU this weekend. South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, and FSU can’t wait to get their turn.

By Ed

October 1, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Is there anything better than beating Florida twice in a row?

To answer Roswell Ed’s question: No. I still recall beating them 6 years in a row in the late 70s and early 80s.

However, beating Auburn by 22 in their stadium isn’t half bad…

Having said that, I love Auburn for beating Florida two years in a row. Well done. I pull for Auburn to win most of their games.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

R K …..you are compairing Apples with Oranges on your point about running up the score. The game is already been decided if you team is putting points on the board that is not necessary ( Classless). The Time Out was used to hopefully change the outcome in winning or losing the game.( Smart Coaching and Game Management).

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Hey P Caroll… I have another blunder in a prior post…. I left out the R in Notre… Sorry ,I must do a better job in proof reading!!!

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

K R…. Sorry It Slipped my mind I just got so peeved at P Carroll. My appologies sir!

By 59bulldawg

October 1, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

As far as I’m concerned about the BCS, the bigger the mess the better. Maybe if it screws over enough teams perhaps one day the nimrod university presidents who keep us from it now will find a way to incorporate a play-off system for Division 1-A. I’ve never liked the BCS system and I never will … no matter how much they “tweak” it.

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

I pull for the SEC whether the dawgs are playing or not. That being said, So Cal is a great team.(from a weak conference) They will hang with anyone. The media is trying to make them the new Notre Dame and that is getting a little old but they are a great team. As far as the earlier comments about the SEC getting all the media attention, what channel are you watching. For the 33 yrs I’ve been following College football, only now is the SEC getting the coverage they deserve. There s no doubt USC would be competitive in the SEC. The rest of the Pac-10 would win some games here and there and occasionally would be considered a program on the rise until they got to the heart of there schedule just like our lower tiered SEC Teams. What makes the SEC the most competitive is that every year an unranked team upsets a SEC Elite, and no team can dominate the league beause of the parity we have. To say no Pac 10 team could beat a SEC team on any given Sat is naive, I’ll give you that. But saying the pac 10 is better all around is just as naive, the two conferences as a whole don’t even compare.

By TS

October 1, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Florida=Overrated,

My best guess is that you are a loyal UGA fan. Did not go to school there but love to hide behind other teams successes (AU) and talk trash to the Gators like you are somehow affiliated. We may not defend our title this year. In fact, we may lose three more games this season. But at least we know what it’s like to be national champions. Please enjoy the next few weeks and I can’t wait to see you in Jacksonville thinking you are going to win. I love to burst that bubble every year!

By Bulldawg4life

October 1, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

The Pac Ten is not as good as the SEC, and it’s asinine for anyone to say it is.

That being said, the Pac Ten can claim the mantle as SECOND best conference in America. They are certainly better than the JOKE that is the Big 10, Big 12 and the biggest joke of all, the ACC.

I rank the conferences this way:

1. SEC
2. Pac Ten

(crickets….)

1. BIG EAST
2. Big 10
3. Big 12
4. ACC

By luckydog

October 1, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Anyone defending the Meyer TO is a fool and a hypocrite who’d be screaming like a stuck pig if it ever cost their team a game.

But anyway, the refs have the power now to prevent the tactic: The sideline ref, after a certain point when the line is set and the holder has called for the ball, simply ignores the coach’s request.

My guess is that’s already being discussed in the wake of Meyer’s Folly.

If you watched the replay it was clear Meyer was waiting until he knew the snap would be made, and the ref was a willing participant….League officials need to nip this now, before it really costs someone a legitimate win.

By Jumbo

October 1, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

RANDY Relax bud. You seem a bit high strung and tense. In case you’ve missed the boat here, UGA and UF are hated rivalries and have been that way LOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG before UF started dominating this series. UGA dominated the series for many many years and we still own the overall record. The rivalry has been a hated one for many many decades before you were even born. That is the main reason we Dawg fans are thrilled with UF’s loss this weekend. Not to mention that it helps us immensely in the hunt for an SEC East title.

Given the history of the UGA/UF game, we seem to always need UF to lose twice.

So, having said all of that, maybe you can understand a little better why we are so thrilled to see UF lose. To review: One, we hate their freakin guts and have forever and two, we need a little help to win the SEC East. Heck, who doesn’t?

By Dawgbone

October 1, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Randy…a little testy after feeling the sting of defeat. Get used to it…LSU just may knock Tebow out for the season if Urban thinks his QB can run 20-30 times and not feel the pain.

A lucky play? pfft…I call that a perfect play… Go DAWGS!

DAWGBONE

By P. Carroll

October 1, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

The old “Come play the SEC schedule” mantra is tired. We have no basis to compare the SEC to the rest of the country, because very few teams leave the South to play. I applaud Tennessee for continuing to schedule top teams from outside the SEC, and actually traveling to them. In the future, hopefully, the rest of the conference will follow. Auburn getting left out 2 years ago because they scheduled patsies for their non-conference games should be a wake-up call to the rest of the schedule makers.

Again, we are 4-0 against the SEC over the past 4 years.

From the years 2000 - 2012, USC will have had home and home series with Ohio State, Nebraska, Auburn, Arkansas, Boston College, Notre Dame, Virgina, Syracuse, Colorado and Kansas State. Can any of your teams claim an out-of-conference schedule like that?

Here’s another measure. Check out historical NFL draft picks—I think you’ll see we do all right at the next level, regardless of how the other teams where we are geographically situated tend to fare.

By gdawginkalamazoo

October 1, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Talking about dominance, for all the mighty USC has done this decade is win one NC. Are they loaded with talent? Hell yeah then some. Would I like their chances to win every game when they step on the field. Hell yeah more than any team out there. Do they? No. Did they play in the NC game last year? No. They lost to a mediocre UCLA team that didn’t belong in the same stadium with them. From top to bottom the SEC is the best league playing. From top 3 teams PAC-10 has USC, CAL, and, and, and, uh, uh, uh.

By brooksdawgs

October 1, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Conference Rankings:

SEC Pac 10 Big East Big Ten ACC Big 12

Please folks stop the whole you can’t cheer for a team unless you went to school there. Most of the schools on here that we talk are STATE sponsered schools. I would hope that everyone in the different states supported their own schools. Without that support these institutions we love so much would no longer exist

By Pac-10 is better!

October 1, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

I’m a lifelong, die-hard SEC fan, but the Pac-10 is better this year. Just because the SEC is competitive doesn’t mean it’s the stronger conference. Auburn lost to Mississippi State but beat Florida—does that mean that Mississippi State should be feared? No, it means the SEC is a bunch of also-rans after LSU.

Take your SEC glasses off for a second and look at the facts. The Pac-10 is racing around the country and pounding opposing conferences into submission, while the SEC is not impressing anyone by beating mid-tier Big 12 teams or fresh I-A call-ups! When Auburn gets beat by South Florida at home and then beats the real Florida on the road, the SEC has problems. Never mind the fact that Cal hog-tied UT. (And no crying that UT isn’t that good this year—what happens when they upset another good SEC team?)

Draw your own conclusions, but mine is that the Pac-10 has a stronger conference from top to bottom this year than the SEC. I’m man enough to admit it, secure in my SEC fanhood. Are you stupid enough to believe differently?

By Nikki

October 1, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Thanks to the tigers for beating those gators. If the kitties beat the cocks this Thursday then the Dawgs will be back in control of their own destiny from that point forward. Also, thanks to the UGA staff for FINALLY taking the week off before the Florida game. The gators always do that. It’s about time the dawgs took that week off as well.(No, I’m not looking past any teams. I just want the Dawgs well rested and healed for that game. The dawgs need to beat the gators no matter what our record is at that point.)

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Lucky dog….. put the shoe on the other foot. If Richt called the TO and it changed the outcome of the game in the dawgs favor you would be very happy now would you???

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Pac 10 is better….. Only thing I can say is we will have to wait and see till seasons end!!!

By brooksdawgs

October 1, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

The names of the USC out of conference teams are impressive. However, a closer look reveals a little more info. Maybe the schedule makers at USC are just really smart. Let’s take a look at the teams: Ohio State - will probably still be a good program when they play them Nebraska - Not what they used to be. A good name but no longer a power program Auburn - you got real lucky and caught them in down years and the defense still kept the mighty USC offense under control Arkansas - you beat the hell out of a real young talented team with a veteran laden team for two years. Never been known for traditional SEC defense Boston College - way overrated almost every year Notre Dame - give me a break Virginia - bottom team in the ACC year in and out Syracuse - this would have been interesting the early 90’s Colorado - Same as UGA home and home looked really good on the schedule a couple of years ago but now not so much Kansas State - The most overrated team that has ever existed in college football

I am not sure about others schedules but we know UGA has or had home and homes with Arizona State, Colorado, Oklahoma State, Clemson and Georgia Tech. Other than the Ohio State I would say UGA’s is just as tough out of conference. At least UGA has begun doing this finally after the fans wanted it for years. Oh by the way many teams have turned us down for years. P. Carrol and CMR I think UGA still has an open date for next year. Wanna come and see us?

By AltamahaDawg

October 1, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Why are you guys on Meyers for using the TO in that manner. He is the one taking a chance at not getting it called in time. Why would you NOT wait till the last second, if icing the PK is the object. Its no different than having a ref right there to call TO as the closk ticks to 2 second, just trying to burn the time. I’m sure TT had no problem with it and i would hope he would do the exact same thing. In fact I seem to remember him calling TO’s from the sidelines in the UGA/AU game in 2005, just before a play. One of them in particular had a big impact in the game. That’s my issue with it, a coach should not be able to affect the outcome of a play directly. technically i guess he dditn since the play never happens BUT, once the ball is set, a player needs to make the TO call.

By Brian

October 1, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

I pull for the SEC whether the dawgs are playing or not.

I will never understand this thinking. No other fans in the country root for a conference blindly. You will NEVER, EVER have an Oklahoma fan rooting for Texas or Nebraska or a Michigan fan rooting for Ohio State. To me, this shows mypoic, homer thinking.

For the 33 yrs I’ve been following College football, only now is the SEC getting the coverage they deserve.

Absolutely 100% true. People forget that SEC has been around for 75 years. For the first 50 years the SEC was clearly inferior to the Big 10, PAC 10 and Big 12 (Big 8 back then). Then all the yankees moved south and started having children Does anyone not remember the 70s and 80s in the SEC. The style of football played was nearly unwatchable. During the last 25 years the SEC has consistently had the best teams in it (just not this year). However, everything goes in cycles.

By TS

October 1, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

When the Pac-10 has a team move from #6 in their conference to #8 in the AP in one year I will hear any argument they have about being stronger than the SEC. I seriously doubt Oregon State or Stanford will top that list anytime soon.

By Rose-colored Glasses

October 1, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

I must preface my post by saying I am a die-hard, lifelong SEC fan, but we must look at the facts when considering if the Pac-10 is stronger than the SEC:

Fact: The Pac-10’s Cal embarrassed the SEC’s Tennessee on national television to open the season. (UT may not be as good as they were in the past, but they are still a good football team and will upset someone soon to prove it.)

Fact: The Pac-10’s top 4 (USC, Oregon, Cal & Arizona State) has beaten Colorado, Nebraska, Michigan, & Tennessee in out of conference play. The SEC’s top 4 (by my best guess—LSU, Florida, Kentucky & Alabama) have beaten a WAY overrated Virginia Tech team, a WAY overrated Louisville squad—both at home—and well, no one else worth mentioning.

More Facts: Florida has looked great against new I-A teams (Troy 2002, W. Kentucky 2007), piled on to look impressive against a beleaguered Tennessee bunch, and eeked out a win over Ole Miss.

LSU has nothing to beat its chest about yet, especially after struggling against Tulane.

Kentucky will get exposed very soon—and would very much appear to be a charlatan had Louisville made one defensive play in the fourth quarter.

And Saban achieved sainthood in Tuscaloosa by beating W. Carolina, Vandy & a pathetic Arkansas team. (UGA has nothing to brag about yet since it nearly lost to Alabama)

The SEC has proven NOTHING this season out of conference and might benefit from a BCS controversy where all one-loss teams are left out of the title game. Otherwise, the SEC might lose some of its luster.

Anyone care to dispute those facts?

By DWG

October 1, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

The reason USC plays a tough non conference schedule is because the AD at USC realizes they play in a weak conference and has to go out of conference to play tougher competition. P. Carroll, thanks for settling that argument.

By Rose-colored Glasses

October 1, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

TS, if you’re talking about Kentucky, they will be dismissed from the Top 25 altogether in about three weeks. Polls shouldn’t even be released until at least six weeks into the season. … However, Arizona State may likely wind up in the top 10 by the time it plays Cal.

By luckydog

October 1, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Dark Dawg: I’m an AU fan, so I’m ECSTATIC with the outcome of the game. But I think what Meyer did — and the refs let him do — is wrong no matter who does it.

Altamaha Dawg: You apparently didn’t see the game or the sideline replay of Meyer calling this TO. It was not your everyday ordinary TO to ice the kicker. He intentionally waited until he knew the snap and kick would be made. His clear intent was to negate the first kick and make Byrum make 2 consecutive 43-yarders to beat him. That may be clever but it ain’t right and ought not to be allowed.

As someone pointed out this is a double edged sword because the kicker could miss the first and make the second — in which case Meyer would have cost his own team the game, or at least a chance in OT. That ain’t right either!

If you think using the sideline TO rule so that the other team has to make two good kicks to get 3 points is an appropriate tactic, that’s your privilege. But you’re arguing against both ethics and common sense.

By brooksdawgs

October 1, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

I will dispute those facts:

Michigan, is that really better than beating W. Carolina App. State same conference

Nebraska, good name mid tier Big 12 team. Georgia vs. OK State (mid tier Big12) Georgia pounded them much worse and backed off at the end.

Colorado, again mid tier Big12 not much to say here. Auburn vs. K-State

Tennessee, Tennessee slaughtered them the year they were better Cal returned the favor but remember UT was in the game. Virgina Tech way overrated you could say the same about Tennessee.

You made the argument for the SEC, UT is a good team this year and they will upset someone. Who in the Pac-10 can you say is a good team that may upset Cal or USC or at least has a legit shot other than Oregon or USC.

Fact UGA, UF, UT, Auburn, South Carolina, UK(I kinda doubt this one but they are #8) and Bama realistically all would have a shot at LSU as Carolina proved. That’s 7 teams to 4. One thing about the SEC that rules is if your offense is just slightly off in a game the other teams D will shut you down. That doesn’t happen out west.

Bottom line SEC has one bad out of conference loss this year that hurts the conference. Auburn vs. South Florida Now that Auburn is playing at least sensible at the Quarterback position I doubt USF could pull it off again. Remember they barely won and Auburn handed them the game.

By AmazonRed

October 1, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

SEC has been overrateed for years and the Pac-10 has been overlooked for years. The Pac-10 is walking all over the SEC and I hope they have a chance to prove it in the NC game this year.

Signed, PROUD ALUM OF THE #3 RANKED CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS!

By gdawginkalamazoo

October 1, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

luckydog, I posted over on the other blog about Meyers timeout. Mike Shanahan did the same thing against the Raiders last week. Janakowski nailed a 52 yarder but Shanahan had called a TO right before the snap. The second attempt doinked off the upright. Denver drove down and won the game. Meyers is just practicing for his move up to the NFL next year. So don’t take offense to his NFL coaching practice. Great kicker you have there that can’t be iced. Nice win, and thank you for it.

By atlgamecock

October 1, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

After The Gamecocks take Kentucky out behind the woodshed Thursday evening and turn them every which way but loose I plan on sitting back and watching Florida get handed their 2nd loss of the season and guess who’ll be sitting on top of the SEC East and will continue to remain there through out the rest of the 2007 season ??? The REAL USC…that’s right ladies and gentlemen…THE University of South Carolina !!! And then come that 1st Saturday in December we will once again face that DIRTY football team, LSU for the SEC Championship and we will take the trophy back to Carolina…GO GAMECOCKS !!!

By CFan

October 1, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

The SEC East is really opening up to give UGA a chance. That S. Carolina-Kentucky game is going to be suprisingly big. My guess is the winner might end up winning the SEC East, or finish no worse than 2nd. SC matches up well w/ Florida, & almost beat them last year. Kentucky also matches up pretty well w/ Florida if they can outscore them, given that their defense is weak but they have a great offense (pass & run) and the UF’s run D was shown vulnerable in the Auburn game. Dare I say I UGA has a good chance of beating Florida this year, but whether they can beat Kentucky will be shown in the SC-UK game Thurs.

By Atlanta Gator

October 1, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

luckydog et al——Really? Urban Meyer not a classy guy? Now, you’ve really started to sound my “sour grapes” early warning system. Coach Meyer is a damn fine coach, and he did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do in trying to maximize the possibility of “icing” an inexperienced freshman place kicker. His variation in doing so was risky (as Alta~Dawg and others have rightly pointed out, it could have given the kicker a second chance after a miss), but it was worth a chance and maximized the likelihood of its effectiveness.

Please, in the future, save your morality and ethics lectures for an appropriate venue and occasion, like when someone suggests that an opposing team should intentionally injure another team’s star quarterback, tailback or receiver. That, my well-groomed Dawg friend, is immoral, unethical and against the rules. Frankly, it’s not even in good taste to joke about, sort of like suggesting that the assassination of the president would be funny.

As you could see from Coach Tuberville’s sideline reaction to the timeout, he thought Coach Meyer’s timeout timing was clever. He smiled and shook his head. His post-game interviews have confirmed that reaction. No hard feelings among professionals. CTT gets it. Your reaction reminds me of those fans and coaches who cried foul at the first use of the forward pass. Damn cheaters!

Perhaps you should consider CTT’s reaction before spouting off over something, anything, over which to pile on the evil, rule-breaking, close-game winning, mullet-haircut-sporting, jeans-shorts-wearing, worst-fans-in-the-SEC, blah, blah Gators. You know what it sounds like? Exactly what it is: the grumpy rumblings of a small man and an unhappy football fan whose own team has had substantially less luck against the Gators than the Auburn Tigers over these last 18 seasons. Spare us your misplaced vitriol, and remember your own little schadenfreude episode next time you hear or read a Georgia Tech fan taking an undue amount of pleasure in another team’s victory over UGA.

I you want to criticize and mock the Gators for something, find something legitimate. Say, like the two personal fouls by young Gators that stopped a Gator drive and sustained a Tiger drive. That’s a potential 14-point swing, and avoiding either foul was potentially more than then ultimate margin of victory. Personal fouls are dumb, and against the rules. The Gators, as a team, must live with the likely consequences of two of their teammates letting their emotions and absence of discipline get the better of them.

I offer my sincere congratulations to the Tigers for winning a hardfought game. They and their coaches did what they had to do to win a tough SEC road game.

In contract, I have nothing but contempt for the bandwaggoneers, pilers-on and other purportedly adult men who are consumed by their self-absorbed passion for a sport played by 17 to 23-year-old boys, and never actually played or coached at any level by the most vehement critics among you. Get a life away from your television set, and find some real perspective on law, rules, ethics and morality.

By ctb

October 1, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

UGA WINS OUT!!!!!!!BET ON IT

By Atlanta Gator

October 1, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

I-Dog—-Ahem. I’m here.

By Rose-colored Glasses

October 1, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Good points, Brooks. All you’ve done is proven that the two conferences are pretty much the same … and I give a slight edge to Pac-10 for the head-to-head win.

In answer to your question, Washington is a team that can pull an upset—and they’ve already pulled one in beating a ranked Boise State team. They nearly beat USC this week. UCLA is also very capable of an upset. That gives the Pac-10 six teams for 60% of their conference; seven teams from the SEC constitute only 58% of the teams from their conference. For a fair comparison, it’s about the same.

And whether you think South Florida could pull off an upset against Auburn is irrelevant—and would only be relevant if there was an actual playoff system. Frankly, that wasn’t an upset. South Florida is a good football team and will probably go undefeated, based on their remaining schedule. Auburn couldn’t even beat Mississippi State!

As far as your other points go, Colorado has proven it’s not a mid-tier Big 12 team, upsetting the No. 3 team in the country. (Georgia was lucky to beat them a year ago with a better team than it has this year.) The Buffs may be in the Big 12 title game this season.

Michigan will be playing on New Year’s Day, probably in the Rose Bowl. Playing the schedule merry-go-round is a weak argument. Would you want your team to play Michigan now?

And Oklahoma State actually lost to Troy! How can you say they’re on the same plane as Nebraska? Nebraska’s only loss on the field was to USC.

Finally, will you and ever other blind SEC loyalist stop trumpeting how great the SEC’s defenses are? In out of conference play, the SEC is allowing 17 ppg compared to the Pac-10’s 20 ppg. For in conference play, take last week’s in-conference games: SEC games averaged 52.3 ppg; Pac-10 games averaged 45 ppg. Do you remember Florida 59, Tennessee 20? Is that what you call a stiff defense? Please! Education is a good thing.

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Pac 10. How many non conference games do you play a year? 3? Is that what you’re basing your dominance on? How about playing a conference schedule of 9 of the following: South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia,Vanderbilt, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Miss St., Ole Miss. With each of those teams, weak or strong, having rivalries with you stronger than any rivalry you west coasters could imagine. When it comes to bitter rivals, throw the polls (which would be a good thing)and the records out all together. Then If your Lucky enough to make it to a conference Championship game(which you know nothing about) play the best one again or for the first time depending on your schedule. Then have 1 of your non conference games be against in state or cross state rival Clemson, Florida State, Ga. Tech., Texas, or Miami. Then try to consistently schedule 2 other non conference powerhouses to play each year, 8 years in advance and hope they keep their commitment. When they crawfish and go play someone else you have to fill that spot with whoever you can get. We’ve only been playing 12 games for a few years. It was hard to schedule that 12th game 8 yrs. in advance when you didn’t know you’d be playing it. By the way as far as Cal dominating Tenn. You must have been wearing Rose Colored glasses. That was not a whipping by any definition. The whipping came last year when Tennessee completely embarrased a favored Cal. You’ve got some good elite teams in the Pac-10. I’m not denying that. But what sets the SEC apart is our not so elite teams. Lets put it this way. Can the pac-10 afford to take a 2nd tier conference opponent lightly? Yes!! Can the SEC? No! Oh and if players in the NFL mattered I would call you on your “fact” but being they don’t I won’t. With that logic I guess Notre Dame is the toughest conference in the nation.

By Clay

October 1, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why Georgia fans are so quiet. I was in section 103, row 29 against Ole Miss and making as much noise as I could. The other Georgia “fans” sitting around me never got off their seats—and they kept looking at me when I would have something to say. I agree with previous posts: If you’re a season ticket holder and you buy the tickets to just say you have season tickets and not to go and root on the Dawgs, then it’s time to give up your seats to those of us that want to be there!

By luckydog

October 1, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Wow….I hardly think I’M the one taking things way too seriously, Atlanta Gator.

There are penalties against cheap shots and other tactics that distort outcomes. Genius Belicheck just got fined for stealing signals.

But somehow I’m out of line for questioning a rule loophole that allows coaches — or at least, SOME coaches — to force the opposing team to make one kick twice!?

Methinks you’re the one whose grapes are a bit sour, friend.

By WAR EAGLE

October 1, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Two words Fla fans. WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!

By e

October 1, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Atlanta Gator,

By e

October 1, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Atlanta Gator,

By Lee Curso

October 1, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

AUBURN the only SEC school that can go 13-0 and not win a National Championship.

“Tuberville has now won 9 of his last 10 games against Top Ten teams.”…..ya, and he lost to Mississippi state. i mean come on, does he suck or not? LOL! poor old auburn. no respect.

By Rose-colored Glasses

October 1, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Everlasting,

First of all, I’m an SEC fan. Secondly, I just look at the facts. SEC fans sound like idiots to the rest of the nation talking about how tough their conference is and how this team can beat that one without backing it up. Every conference is competitive. Name a BCS conference with the same champion four years running? There isn’t one.

I’ve been to almost every SEC stadium and love the rivalries, but rivalries don’t equate good teams. Just ask the Michigan-Notre Dame fans in that storied rivalry this year. Telling me how great the rivalries are doesn’t mean the teams are good. Lowndes and Valdosta have a great rivalry, but that doesn’t mean they could win the state every year. Just a stupid argument.

And NOBODY can take ANYONE lightly. Michigan can’t take App State lightly. Auburn can’t take South Florida lightly. Penn State can’t take Illinois lightly. Parity rules in college football, even in the SEC.

I think the SEC is tougher in most years, but I’m not seeing it this year. And the numbers don’t lie.

FSU is a middling SEC team that just stomped on the coronation of St. Nick Saban. The SEC is COMPETITIVE, which is much different than being DOMINANT. The SEC is NOT dominating out of conference this year, other than I-AA teams. Tulane even had LSU panting at halftime. TULANE???

By Lee Curso

October 1, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

nobody’s overlooking ut. they suck!

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Atlanta gator, well put. I do still think the time out would have served the same purpose without making him kick it twice, but Myer didn’t break any rules. So good call. The rest of your points were right on and apply to everyone of the bashers on here no matter what school you’re affiliated with. I’m happy to say “War Eagle” without then going on to take out my frustrations by bashing Fla. Looking forward to Jacksonville! Great Post!

By Kick Herbstreet

October 1, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Lee Curso,

Weren’t you the one yukking it up a couple of weeks ago that Auburn couldn’t beat Florida? :) Yes, I think it was you.

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Rose colored glasses- I didn’t say rivalries equate to good teams, they equate to good teams getting beat by lesser teams and there are not the widespread rivalries in any other conference. Also a true SEC fan would know that FSU is not a Middling SEC team, They are ACC!

By Lee Curso

October 1, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Herbstreet, yes i was. i take it back, my bad. i meant to say Auburn cant win a National Championship after going undefeated, sorry. LOL! Mooooooooooooo

By Rose-colored Glasses

October 1, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Everlasting,

You’re right, I meant FSU is a middling ACC team.

When did Auburn-Mississippi State become a big rivalry? I must have missed that one? Or Vanderbilt-Ole Miss? When there’s one team that’s traditionally weaker than another, it’s not really a rivalry. You should know, being a Georgia fan. Florida people laugh at the notion of Georgia-Florida being a rivalry. They want to beat LSU or Alabama or Tennessee—somebody who beats them more than once every decade.

And have you even been to a Pac-10 game without an SEC team playing? or any other conference for that matter? Do you know what it’s like? I do. And there are rivalries all over the place. It’s just a stupid argument for saying that the SEC is tough!

By gdawginkalamazoo

October 1, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Atlanta Gator, tough loss. See my take on the TO. I had no problems with it. George Bush would call it good strateegery. How do you guys think you will fair this weekend?

Everybody, please stop talking about the effing PAC-10. Why do we care? They had what one National Champion over the past 25 years? Nothing significant until Pete Carroll got to USC and turned it into a powerhouse with 1 NC over the past six years. Before that Berryman and National Football titles from the late 70’s.

So please save your bytes for something useful like SEC football.

By Telie Savales

October 1, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Dark Corner Dawg …

Have you heard of the cable tv revolution??? I think you should subscribe. And in between watching me in my upcoming KOJACK Marathon on TV Land, maybe you could take-in a few PAC-10 games’ It’s DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL! IT AIN’T INTERMURALS!

Who loves ya babe … PAC-10 Rules!!!

By Ka-bosh

October 1, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

A Dawg fan in Gainesville excited about an Auburn win? What a loser. That’s Auburn’s win, not UGA’s. … you losers have two wins against UF post-1990. And that’s with top-10 recruiting classes every year!!! Georgia is so envious of Florida’s national exposure it’s pathetic. By the way, great stuff as usual Tony. (www.GatorAlert.com)

By Vince

October 1, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

I sat near a Georgia fan recently; head as big as a ripe pumpkin, big chaw in the cheek, a dull pair of eyes, and an IQ of 58. God, she was one dumb coed!

By SEC SUPERIORITY???

October 1, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Let’s look at the out-of-conference games played by SEC teams so far this year (against “quality” opponents, using my own definition):

Kentucky 40 Louisville 34

Georgia 35 OK State 14

Tennessee 31 Cal 45

LSU 48 Virginia Tech 7

Alabama 14 FSU 21

Auburn 23 Kansas State 13

Auburn 23 South Florida 26

Ole Miss 25 Missouri 38

The SEC has won four games against “quality” non-conference opponents, but also have LOST four games against “quality” non-conference opponents.

By Braves Fan 79

October 1, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

while fun to watch…college football is about as relevant as the WNBA in my eyes. In what other sport can u not loose a game all year yet STILL have NO shot at a title?
Boise State…the TRUE UNDEFEATED champs on 2007!
College Football….the master of the PAPER CHAMPION!

By FluffAlbright

October 1, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Curso said: Herbstreet, yes i was. i take it back, my bad. i meant to say Auburn cant win a National Championship after going undefeated, sorry. LOL! Mooooooooooooo

I don’t know what you mean. By Bama’s standards we’ve won 2 NC’s since 1993.

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Rose, You really need to stop this you are making yourself look bad. Florida has had unbeleivable success against my dawgs for the last 18 yrs.(probably your entire life) I’m surprised you pulled that on me so quick. you must be running out of other viable options. But go tell a Fla. fan that it doesn’t matter if they beat Georgia. You know why Steve Spurrier hates Georgia. Because of the Ga. Fla. Rivalry. You see back before you were born he coached at Fla. He started their dominance against us. He pointed to this game every year because the Dawgs had dominated the series from it’s inception. This game was ranked in the top ten rivalries of all time just last year. If I were a Florida fan I would expect to beat Georgia yearly after looking at our record, but that doesn’t make it a non rivalry game for them. Do you actually know any Florida fans or are you again just assuming. And as far as my attendance to other games outside of the SEC you might be surprised. You see I’m old enough to drive and to travel without asking my mommy and for the better part of my adult life my cousin and I (An Auburn graduate) go to a great rivalry game every year. I’ve seen games at South bend twice, Blacksburg, Chapel hill,(don’t ask me why), Ohio State vs. Michigan at the Horseshoe(thats what Ohio State calls there Stadium). Penn St. vs. Pitt(the most underrated rivalry of all time!)I saw USC in the coliseum play some conference opponent that was weak so I’m not sure I can remember who it was.(just kidding, it was Stanford. Granted not necesarily a rival game but all we could get tickets for.) And this year, the good lord willing, I will be at the Red River shootout. Do you know who plays in that. Best game I’ve ever seen in person, out of the SEC, would have to be Either 85 or 86 Oklahoma vs. Miami, I’m not sure which Year but they played in Oklahoma. Two years ago I went to the Colorado Vs. Colorado St. Game. Weak teams but great rivalry. Greatest all time rivalry game was Army-Navy also two yrs ago. The game was like watching two mules fight over a turnip but the atmosphere was surprisingly great. The greatest games I’ve seen except for the OU-Miami are pretty much SEC. Maybe Thats because I’m a SEC fan or maybe not. But I am not the typical fair weather fan. The Dawgs have been my team through thick and thin but I also love college football so I have been to other stadiums and have been to other conferences, Oh yeh Ark-Texas back when there was this little conference called the SWC. See if you can figure out what SWC stands for. That was before I had graduated high school. You know when I was your age.

By Question

October 1, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

I was just wondering what the claim is? UGAy has not yet beaten a ranked team and their only loss came from a top 25 team? OR - UGAy’s loss came from an unranked team and has only beaten one top 25 team? Is the status of the opponent determined at the time the game is played or at the time the claim is made?

By Atlanta Gator

October 1, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

gdawg~zoo——Thanks, as a loyal Dawg fan, you are not expected to cheer for the Gators (except, of course, when they are playing overrated Big Ten media darlings), but I do appreciate your objectivity regarding Coach Meyer’s timeout timing. I had already read your comments on the UGA blog thread. My quick take was that Dawg fans’ opinions were split down the middle: those, like you, who thought it was good coaching and quick thinking, and those who chose to it interpret as more evidence of a lurking Evil south of the Florida-Georgia line. ‘Nuff said. I’ve spouted off in defense of the Gators’ coach enough for one day. He’s a big boy and he can defend himself.

As for the UF-LSU game this coming Saturday, I wish I could say I was optimistic, but I had a much better feeling before the Ohio State game last January than I do now. The Gators are talented, but very young and relatively inexperienced. Ten of the Gators’ starting defensive players will be starting the fifth game of their college careers, and their two best running backs are their starting QB and their star WR; Tebow and Harvin are studs, but they don’t beat a team like the Tigers by themselves. They could win, but they will have to play the best ball of their young careers, AND the ball will have to bounce their way, maybe more than once. On the other hand, the LSU Tigers look like the Beast of the South.

I just hope that these young Gators can recover after an emotional and undisciplined loss at home to Auburn, and keep it respectable against their second set of Tigers.

By faye

October 1, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Flordia, the time-out the coach gave at the last minute was a bomber ALL FAIR IN LOVE AND FOOTBALL.

WAR EAGLE BABY!!!

By t

October 1, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

In case you hadn’t noticed, BF 79, this is a college football blog, so we don’t really care what you have to say about the sport’s relevancy.

Now go get your shine box.

By Rose-colored Glasses

October 1, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Everlasting,

Wow! Let me get my shovel out for all that BS. Anybody that believes your load of crap probably thinks the SEC has the best conference this year.

Besides, anybody that went to Auburn and is a Georgia fan is a mental case anyway (the great Vince Dooley, withstanding).

I’m a lot older than you think—and I act like it instead of hiding behind some computer and creating fanciful stories while name-calling.

But we both know you’re an SEC homer whose maybe been to a Clemson-Furman game. If you’ve actually been to those games, you’d realize that there are other great rivalries in college football and wouldn’t continue to blindly defend the SEC.

By the way, I noticed you stopped defending the SEC (because you have nothing other than useless drivel to post about) and started chest-beating about how many games you’ve been to. Sorry, Everlasting, but you’re one sad puppy—not to mention terrible at rationalization. But what do you expect from an Auburn grad?

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

ATL Gator. You won’t be embarrassed by LSU. They’ve been vulnerable in every game and have not had a true test yet. They’re great but beatable. Your guys will be wanting to exact some revenge from Sat as well. Close game that I can’t call. This is a great weekend for football coming up. It’s monday and I’m already fired up.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Hey Telie Savales….. go rub your head like Clemson rubs their stupid Rock.BTW I have Dish network not Cable like you tree hugging PAC 10 Idoits.

By P. Carroll

October 1, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

So now we are using rivalries as the benchmark? I think that is a ridiculous basis to compare programs or conferences, but we can hang with the SEC there as well.

In the same article to which you referred, Everlasting Dawg, USC is in the top 10 twice (vs. ND and UCLA) and Georgia only once (vs. Florida). The Pac-10 is part of 3 of the top 10 rivalries (Cal - Stanford being the third) and the SEC in 3 of the top 10 (Aub vs. Ala., UF vs. FSU are the other 2). http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3169406

What other benchmarks do you want to use? National Championships? Heisman winners? Bowl Record? Program historical winning percentage? Recent stats? What else? What criteria would you like to use? Anything besides your statements that “USC is overrated”?

By Lee Curso

October 1, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

FluffAlbright, 12? i only count 10. i see the joke of a program auburn on here once, in 1957. try and get your facts right before you run that big mouth, OK!AUBURN the only SEC team that can go 13-0 and not win a NC LOL! i’m ready for the auburnt gonna run the table crap. *LOL NCAA, i guess it’s wrong, right?

By Atlanta Gator

October 1, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Everlasting Dawg——Thanks for the buck-up. These Gators still have some growing up to do. But, who knows, they could all have their 21st birthday in Baton Rouge this year. Yeah, it could happen. LOL

By Comment

October 1, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

P Carroll - You are right on!!

You know the saying - you can’t spell sugar without UGA. But, reality is you can’t spell SECond Class without SEC

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

Rose, Slow down. If you will look carefully you will see that I wrote that my cousin is an Auburn Grad. You see I put the parenthesis (an auburn grad) after I completed the subject of the sentence “my cousin and I”. I just assumed you were smart enough to realize that I was obviously referring to my cousin being I’m a Georgia fan, and I’m sorry to say but yes I have been to those games and will continue to go as long as I’m able because I Like college football All of it. Even the pac friggin 10 and because I’m proud that I’ve been successful enough in life to allow me to do so. And as far as the name calling goes. Who started that? You or me? And if pulling for my home team or teams makes me a Homer, well you nailed me. I guess I am one. I’d admit I cheered my brains out when Fla smacked down Ohio State For both of there titles last year. What is wrong with that. I complained as loud as anyone when Auburn didn’t get a shot at the title in 04. What is wrong with that? Thats called apreciation for the game. So if I’m Objective enough to do that and to admit that I’m this terrible thing called a Homer, then don’t you think I’m that objective in all parts of my life. And no little computer punk is going to tell me I’m hiding behind a computer to compensate for a weak, paper thin attempt to prove an emotion. And let me ask you this “Rose” even your handle is intended to make slight of the SEC. That combined with you initiating the insults makes you look immature. Claiming it is impossible for me to have been to those games shows your immaturity, because I did attend them. I do not really care if you acknowledge that or not. What would really have been nice is to have a rational debate over the SEC-Pac 10. but your maturity level prevents that from taking place. If I say the Pac 10 is the best conference will you please just go away The Pac 10 wins it’s the best.

By Nat Champs

October 1, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

It’s been awhile and I cannot remember what losing two conference games in a row is like. Could one of you dawgs tell me what it’s like?

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

P Carroll, When Have you ever heard me say USC was overrated. Read the words that I write. I’ve said all along that USC was the real thing and would hang with any team in the country. Cal is a force as well. I’m trying to be objective but I’ll only defend the statements I actually make. And how many other SEC schools were in that article? What conference held the #1 spot?

By BJohnDAWG

October 1, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

For all you PAC10 people.Here is your elite conference. USC great team…but plays including (Idaho) UCLA…which gets bet by UTAH who hangs 44 on them. Stanford….geeks playing football Arizona….cowboys playing football Arizona State….more cowboys playing football Wash state….whalers playing football Oregon state…beavers(really duck wantabes) playing football California…finally playing football Washington…this year finally playing football after what a ten year drought. and Oregon…ducks playing football. You guys need to rethink some of your mascots…ducks, beaver,cardinal. there are three good teams out of ten.

SEC LSU GA AUBURN FLORIDA ALABAMA ARKANSAS TENNESSEE and the others

The reason Pac 10 does not get the respect the SEC does is because the same team wins the Pac 10 year after year. USC……when that changes and they quite playing a creampuff schedule with the exception of Cal maybe someone in the media will buy your line of BS till then

SEC is #1.

On to the DAWGS….good game. But we are still young and cannot discount anyone. Kentucky,Vandy,Auburn,the whole lot.

Auburn…thank you for your gift.Most appreciated. I say for the first time in LIFE….WAR EAGLE!

Alabama fans…do not fret. YOur not even half way into year 1 of the Saban era. He will turn it around and win you guys games and championships. Just you should not expect it the first year.

Tennessee…we are bringing a young team…true. But remember the hobnailed boot.It can still happen in Knoxville.Get ready for war.

By aladawg

October 1, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

I can’t beleive the morons on this site that called Coach Myers time out lame. It was briliant and I’m a Georgia DAWG Just (WHAT IF) the guy was wide right or left on the second kick. You morons needed to get back to your double wides and have the little lady fry something. GA DAWG

By P. Carroll

October 1, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

You are correct, Everlasting, and I apologize. I was including you specifically only as to the rivalry issue…and intended the other questions to the SEC group at large.

The top 10 rivalries included USC-UCLA, Cal-Stanford, and USC-ND for the Pac-10, and UGA-UF, UF-FSU, and Aub-Ala for the SEC. The top rivalry was Mich-Ohio St. We can all certainly find other lists, but I think that list is pretty dead on.

Have a good evening. Our boys are doing a lot of punishment drills this afternoon out in LA.

By P. Carroll

October 1, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

Dark Corner Dawg,

There are no trees in LA. We are not, therefore, tree huggers.

And remember, Nobody Walks in LA.

By Dark Corner Dawg

October 1, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

If the auburn kid would’ve missed the first kick but made the 2nd kick it would’ve been different story!

By Rose-colored Glasses

October 1, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Everlasting,

We were having a rational debate until you decided to back up how great the SEC was by talking about all the rivalries.

I’m ashamed that I attended the same school as a person who doesn’t know how to properly use parentheses. But if your cousin went to Auburn (I’d disown him—see, proper usage of a parenthetical expression), then you would write the sentence like this … “my cousin (An Auburn graduate) and I go to a great rivalry game every year.”

You admitting you are a homer (like we didn’t already know) excuses you from having a rational debate about this topic. You need to take some anger management classes and calm down before your ticker goes boom. Calling me a little computer punk and trying to belittle me for my age (you have no idea how old I am) is what you did, not me. So pat yourself on the back, old timer, and don’t forget to sign up for the casting call of Grumpy Old Men 3—we all need a few good curmudgeons in our lives.

By FluffAlbright

October 1, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

try and get your facts right before you run that big mouth

12? exactly my point. #1 in some hillbilly newspaper don’t count, except in Bammer fantasy world. And try beating Auburn every once in a while before you run your mouth. I know your on here trying to get a rise, so all in good fun. Either that or you’re the biggest idiot on this blog. War Eagle!

By Chicagodawg

October 1, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

I am a big dawg fan but cannot agree that we are figuring things out in order to get ourselves in the SEC East race. I think that our defense (in spite of the “glowing” stats we currently have) gives up yards at key times. This goes back even to last year’s horrifying losses to Vandy and Kentucky (still can hardly write these words!), and this year’s loss to pitiful South Carolina. They all “gashed” us on the last drives and won the games right up the middle! All of you who think we can win have not been watching, nor do you understand that Ainge, Woodson, Tebow, and Cox are far better than the nobody quarterbacks we’ve played thus far. I love the Dawgs but think we lose 5 games this year.

By Everlasting Dawg

October 1, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

ChicagoDawg. Five games might be a little pessimistic. We definitely are not on the level of previous years and an SEC championship would probably be won by default. But still a possibility. What five games are you calling losses. I can see us going down to Fla, Tenn, Kentucky and Auburn, but not all of them. We’ll pull as many of those out as we lose, and it is possible to get them all. We would have to lose them all to go to 5 losses. and I don’t see it. Is Woodson the best QB in the country or what. Despite the quality of their opponents, he’s awesome.

By Upinya

October 1, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

Fluff,

Get back to work, the drive-thru is backing up.

By Telie Savales

October 1, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

Dark Corner Dawg …

Get out of the “Dark Corner”, turn-off Head of the Class, go out and hug a tree, and get with the program - hang on, someone’s knocking on my door …………….

It was Mr. Rourke — he said you need to get off of Fantasy Island, and come back to reality — the PAC-10 Rules!!

By Georgia Tech Butch

October 1, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

What concerns me is the lack of a set Tickle Pile schedule. We cancelled the Tickle Piles after the Boston College and Virginia games then had a great one Saturday night after Clemson. We never know from one week to another what to wear. I would like a definite schedule so that I can wear the right underwear. I like to wear my GT Thong but never know what to do. I guess I’ll just wear my flowered boxers with the pink trim.

By Georgia Tech Butch

October 1, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

What concerns me is the lack of a set Tickle Pile schedule. We cancelled the Tickle Piles after the Boston College and Virginia games then had a great one Saturday night after Clemson. We never know from one week to another what to wear. I would like a definite schedule so that I can wear the right underwear. I like to wear my GT Thong but never know what to do. I guess I’ll just wear my flowered boxers with the pink trim.

By Upinya

October 1, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

Fluff likes a good tickle pile.

By Gator Hal

October 1, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

I think the SEC needs to wake up to the reality that the Gators are going to be playing in Atlanta again this December for the SEC crown. There is no way that LSU can match the speed of Florida this weekend, and we are about to expose the Tigers as the most over-rated #1 team in the last decade. The rest of the year only gets easier. We will continue our 50 year dominance of UGA and then redeem the SEC against the Sissy’noles. Go Gators! TWO, TWO, TWO Championships in 06!!!

By CFan

October 1, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

To the couple “Pac-10 is the best conference” posters: I’d have to agree w/ you only to an extent. Right now anybody not blinded by SEC love would have to put the Pac-10 right up there w/ the SEC, but to say it’s clearly the better/best conference is a stretch though. Pac-10: USC, Cal, Oregon, ASU beat Nebraska, Tenn, Michigan, & Colorado (W-Oklahoma) respectively. SEC: LSU, Kentucky, Georgia, Auburn beat VA Tech, Louisville, Oklahoma St., & Kansas St. (W-Texas) respectively. Where’s this Pac-10 nonconference win superiority?!?

The top teams in the Pac-10 are USC, Cal, Oregon, Arizona St, maybe UCLA (44-6 loss to Utah), & excluding Washington (USC close, but drubbed by UCLA, Ohio St). The top teams in the SEC are LSU, Florida, Kentucky, S.Carolina, Georgia, & maybe Alabama (21-14 loss to FSU). That’s excluding Arkansas (only close SEC losses to ‘Bama, Kentucky), Auburn (upset UF & almost beat S. FL, but loss to Miss. St), & Tennessee (loss #1-2 Pac-10 team [Cal], drubbed by UF, 48-27 over Ark. St. that almost beat Texas). That’s Pac-10: 5-6 deep at the most, SEC: at least 6 deep (6-9). If you put team-to-team: 1. USC-LSU 2. Cal-Florida 3. Oregon-UK/SC 4. ASU-UK/SC 5. UCLA-Georgia 6. Washington-Alabama 7-9. All SEC.

If anything, I’d still have to give the SEC the edge because it’s a deeper conference, but the Pac-10 is right up there.

By 37-15

October 1, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

the name says it all Congrats on the big win…but you got taken to the wood shed by a Big East team and the not-so-good bulldog team…it could be worse….you could be ND!

See you in Athens….

By Anonymous Dawg

October 1, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Okay, funny though it has been for the past season, the “tickle pile” joke has officially run its course and is no longer eliciting the laughter that it once did. If we’re going to beat up on the Techsters, we need to find some new and original material … or we could simply fall back on making fun of their football program. = )

By Another Ed

October 1, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this

In my opinion, you really cannot compare conferences. Unless teams play the exact same opponents, or play each other, there is no comparison to be made. And even then, every day is different. Injuries, location, and other factors have an effect on what happens on a given day. Also, the better team does not always win. As an example, does anyone really think App. State is a better team than Michigan? If those teams play 10 times, Michigan wins 8 or 9 times. On that day, at that time, App. State made the right plays to win.

USC, the real USC, is a top-tier program that can beat anyone. They cannot be blamed for the quality of the non-conference opponent at the time of the game. Scheduling Nebraska is big, any year. The fact that Nebraska is down right now only matters a little bit, because they are still Nebraska. GA. scheduling Colorado was good, it was not GA’s fault it was a down year for Colorado.

What I am saying is comparing conferences is nearly impossible. There is so much parity in the college game these days that there are very few real surprises. On any given day a team can rise up and win a game the “experts” think they should not win.

Relax people. Enjoy the games for what they are: entertainment. Unless you are a coach, player, or a family member of a coach or player, the result really does not effect your life in any real tangible way.

Just one opinion.

By rampdawg

October 1, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

Rose saying he’s an SEC fan, what a crock. You sir, and I use that term loosely, are a liar.

By bullwinkle

October 1, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

Hey Atl Gator: since you don’t seem to like anyone talking about ethics or morals, i’ll keep it simple. your coach showed himself to be a sleazeball of the lowest order. i’m just so glad that kid kicked it right up urban’s asz — twice!

By Atlanta Gator

October 1, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this

Bullwinkle——Damn, son, you just read what you wanted to read, ignored what I wrote, and mis-characterized my post back to me. Assuming you care, you may want to try and read it again.

Despite your apparent lack of reading comprehension skills, I always did think you and your comedy partner, Rocky, were rare talents. More so than your opinions regarding Urban Meyer, I would be interested to hear what you and Rocky have been doing since you two did the “Rocky and Bullwinkle Show.” You used to be funny; now, well, not so much.

Well, I guess I shouldn’t expect that much from a moose.

By Cobb Dawg

October 1, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

ATL Gator, I dont know if I agree with your comments about CUM’s timeout call or not, but your last post is the funniest response I’ve read on this blog in a very long time. I wish all Gator bloggers were funny (and good losers!).

By Question

October 1, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Would one of ya know it all’s please answer my question??

Is the status of the opponent determined at the time the game is played or at the time the claim is made? At the time of the game – UGA was beaten by an unrated team. At the time of the claim (today) – UGA has not beaten anyone that is rated this year.

By AlphaGator

October 1, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

I don’t like losing - to Auburn or anyone else. I have to admit that I’m not too down in the dumps, though. With two National Championships in the last 11 years, it’s just too hard to feel sad. And even if we did, we’ve got two consecutive basketball championships to help cheer us up as well.

It’s great to be a Florida Gator!

By flaboy

October 1, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

Roger that, alpha. Interesting debate here about the “ice” timeout that made Auburn kick it twice. As a Florida fan I have to say it made me cringe to see Urban do that. I thought it looked cheesy and could have boomeranged. I hope he leaves that one in the playbook next time. Maybe the league should tighten up the timeout rule for such situations… It’ll be greater to be a Gator after they punch LSU in the mouth!

By Brad

October 1, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

I would think that the best way to ice a kicker(especially a freshman) would be to call timeout before he ever gets a chance to kick the ball. Urban Meyer gave him a practice kick. Now Nick Saban, I hate to say, knows how to ice a kicker. Just ask Coutu, a veteran kicker with tons of experience.

By War Eagle

October 1, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

What if?? Florida blocked the FG attempt ran it back for a TD and CUM timeout would have gave Byrum second attempt for the win. I really believe CUM would have an ad in the Gainsville Sun, next day under UNEMPLOYMENT ?? Jumbo, Auburn is 3-2, not 2-2, playing toughest schedule in the SEC. Auburn is not going to win out, but will make a difference who plays for the SEC title.LAST >>remember, 2006, Vandy and Kentucky lost. CMR was wrongly tar and feather by UGA blog, well its a pride thing in winning programs, so be careful on response CTT received after Miss, State and S.Florida loss. Two great coaches.

By Atlanta Gator

October 1, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

War Eagle——Our blog paths have not crossed since Auburn’s big win in Gainesville, so please let me extend my hearty congratulations on the Tigers’ 20-17 road win over the Gators. I don’t understand it, but Coach Tuberville sure knows how to get his team ready for the Gators.

By jimdawg

October 1, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

you guys is priceless.

By Big Dawg

October 1, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

Roswell Ed:

Yes, beating Auburn by more than 2 touchdowns. Obviously, moving out of Alabama is apparently your choice.

By War Eagle

October 1, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

Thanks Atlanta Gator, Florida playing with 10 seniors, Auburn with 12 seniors, both playing freshman and soph., hope to play you again in Atlanta. Gators have to lasso UGA and Auburn LSU both coming teams. SEC is really going to be a sight to watch next 3-4 years. Major Wright, free safety,fill our training room up after the game…what a hitter, reminds me of Thomas Davis at UGA.

By shane

October 2, 2007 2:34 AM | Link to this

atlanta gator;war eagle,the sec east is a mess this year.bcs?c’mon,i have no clue about the sec.the east is completely up for grabs.i would not be suprised if the big boys knocked each other off and kaintuck wound up on top.stranger things have happened this year.who would have thought app st beating mich was just the start.can anybody beat lsu?yes,it could be uf this weekend,or au,or even bama.i am going out on a limb here,saban is going to upset somebody.the old ball coach ain’t done yet either.that will be one to watch gator,he wants to beat ya’ll as badly as us.good luck war,my wife battled breast cancer for seven years,so i know what you are going through.

By gatorindawgville

October 2, 2007 7:45 AM | Link to this

To Dawgingatorville: STFU until after the cocktail party.

By georgia 74

October 2, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

After living on the West Coast for a few years and having to watch west coast football, it is hard for me to take USC that seriously. It just ain’t the same, USC would lose three games or more this year, if they played in the SEC. I guess we will just keep beating each other up and letting the others get the glory.

By JustMe

October 2, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

Who has ugay played to make them worthy of any ranking?

Please don’t say Alabama. Unranked FSU handled them, and didn’t have to go to over time to do it.

By WFC

October 2, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

When UGA schedules a national power from another conference ON THE ROAD, I’ll be impressed.

Much has been made about ND being down this year and GT’s 33-3 victory being bogus. However, when the game was scheduled (8-9 years ago, ND was a national power. The last time UGA scheduled a national power on the road was Michigan in 1965!

By GT Girl

October 2, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

all i can say is, go Jackets… the ‘dawgs’ didn’t deserve to win that game against Bama.

My two favorite teams:

GEORGIA TECH Anyone playing georgia

By Roy K

October 2, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Big games are decided on bigtime plays. As Sabin said Saturday night after Noles victory - FSU is a tougher more physical team. Also- Mobility at QB is big if offensive line is young and inexp. FSU and Tech both have starting QBs short on mobility - T Choice makes diff with Tech, X Lee at FSU (vs Weatherford) gives Noles the win vs Bama.

By blake

October 2, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

QUESTION: All those questioning quality wins by GA need to get a life. Alabama was ranked 15th at at the time. I know FSU beat them, but FSU took it to the wire with a supposedly good Clemson team. bUT After watching Clemson’s inability to snap the ball on two or pick up a blitz, I also question their quality. Bottom line, there are only a couple stand out teams in tne nation this year. EVERYONE IS BEATEABLE!!! Ga could schedule Texas and beat them and everyone would question how good Texas is.

By VandyFan

October 2, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

I am a huge college football fan and am sick and tired of hearing the usual banter from non-SEC fans gripe and moan about who’s the better conference and how the SEC isn’t that good. Wah Wah Wah. Get over it!!! Yes the Pac-1, I mean Pac-10 has gotten better this year…thank God!!! I was getting tired of hearing Kirk Herbstreet from ESPN build up some BS about how powerful the teams from out west are (especially Southern Cal, I only recognize one USC and that’s the University of South Carolina) only to see them get their asses handed to them in a bowl game. Yes, they have talent! But, what major program doesn’t? You can have all of the talent in the world, but that doesn’t mean you’re going to win games. Look at last week! How in the hell did Florida’s superior talent get beat by Auburn? Yes, the “War Eagles who ride Tigers into battle” have talent too but no one expected that outcome. That is, unless you live in the state of Alabama.

We have seen significant improvements in other conferences as well. Take a look at the Big East. They have really developed into a solid conference. Maybe it’s because they’re located on the East Coast? Maybe a little SEC mojo is rubbing off on those guys and they’re getting a first class education on how to play football?

The “Big Televen” is overrated as always. Fortunately for them Michigan has thick skin and refuses to let a slip-up start to the season slow them down. And I am so tired of seeing Ohio State teams squeak by in the polls. Talk about overrated!

I’m not even going to mention the other BCS conferences.

What you’re seeing this year in the SEC is exactly what we all expected to happen. This year, unlike in the past, every team in the East has the talent and capability to make the trip to Atlanta. Even my Commodores have a shot. I’ve said it since day one, Kentucky and Vandy will decide who goes to Atlanta this year.

I don’t see LSU making it through the regular season and Atlanta without at least one loss and it could happen this weekend. UF could pull their heads out of their “fourth point of contact” and take the last two weeks for what they’re worth…teaching points. Shake it off, get back out there, and show the nation what you’re made of. This is a huge opportunity to show the nation what we as a conference are made of. It’s going to take more than one loss from the other division to keep those “Dang Gators” from Gainesville down! That goes for all SEC schools! There’s not a team in the nation that can go through an SEC schedule unscathed. We’re bigger, faster, and just plain better…and we KNOW it!!!

Go ‘Dores!!!

By tim

October 2, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

JMO but I think you have to give the edge to the SEC. Look at how the bowls are picked. SEC #5 vs ACC #2 in chikfila bowl. Pac 10 #2 plays in the holiday bowl. Why does the pac 10 get so little respect from the bowls? You have maybe 2 good teams each year and a lot of mediocre teams. I think USC matches up well with anyone in the country the problem comes from lower in the division. PAC 10 football is improving but they still have a ways to go

By ha*

October 2, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Some of you SEC fans are complete idiots and don’t know a dan thing about college football. And I’m sorry, but the ACC is not at the bottom of the barrell. conference strength changes among all of them every year. It was just two years ago that the ACC was thought as the best conference across the board; however, things change year-to-year. But I know one thing for dan sure…………If you think the Big12 or for God’s sake the Big East is better than the ACC then GET OFF OF THIS BLOG! Don’t ever confuse balance as bad and no balance as good.

By GT Girl

October 2, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

would you all like some cheese with that whine? geeze.

By JD

October 3, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

I guess a lot of Florida, Auburn and Georgia fans don’t have jobs that require much more than surfing the web to make stupid posts. And just FYI, there were guys, in dress military uniform no less, at the Auburn game who were throwing stuff on the South Florida players. Classless? Yes. But don’t try to pin such behavior on any one school.