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DEL.ICIO.USOdds don’t favor SEC teams
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
I know it’s early. I know the college football season is very, very long. But if I’m Auburn or any other SEC team I’m just a tad nervous right now. Not much. Just a little.
Two years ago Auburn did the unthinkable by going undefeated in the regular season, winning the SEC championship game and then getting shut out of the BCS championship, which was decided by Southern Cal and Oklahoma. After the Sooners got waxed at the Orange Bowl, the SEC and the Tigers cried foul. SEC commissioner Mike Slive was a gentleman through it all but, behind the scenes, vowed it wouldn’t happen again to another one of his teams.
But have you looked closely at the polls? The BCS standings are still a month away but if you take the AP and Coaches polls and total the points, here is what you’d have.
1….Ohio State……….3185 2…Southern Cal……..2917 3…Notre Dame………2895 4….Auburn…………..2816 5….W. Virginia……….2673
In 2004 Southern Cal and Oklahoma began the season ranked 1-2 and never lost. Auburn played its way up to No. 3 but could never crack the top two.
Here is what should make the Tigers and the rest of the SEC nervous.
After beating No. 2 Texas last Saturday, Ohio State will stay No. 1 for the rest of the season if the Buckeyes don’t lose. If Ohio State doesn’t lose at Iowa on Sept. 30, I think the Buckeyes are looking at 12-0.
Southern Cal and Notre Dame meet on Nov. 25 in Los Angeles. If both are undefeated when that game is played, the pollsters just might decide that the No. 2 spot should go to the winner. The computer polls could override it, but I kind of doubt it.
That means Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida or any undefeated SEC team could have a very tough time playing its way into the Top 2 if Southern Cal or Notre Dame do not lose. Florida would have the best chance of jumping over one of those teams into No. 2 because they play a ridiculously hard schedule. In fact, if the Gators go 13-0 and don’t get in with that schedule, the BCS just might blow up.
Like I said, it’s early. None of this will probably happen. But if it does, just remember that old Tony warned you. And I can promise you that the SEC Commissioner, who just so happens to be the BCS Coordinator this season, will not be a happy camper.
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By gdawginkalamazoo
September 12, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Tony, We all hope that the BCS learned its lesson with Auburn. IMO the SEC is the toughest conference to win out in, period. If you are lucky enough to get through the regular season unscathed you still have to face the toughest competition from the other division one more time. A lot these weaker conferences such as the PAC-10 and the Big Ten have no such game, what do you say to that? I think it should be set up so that each conference is required to have a championship game in order to advance to the BSC title game. Of course ND needs to join a conference before that happens, or maybe we can all just hope that they lose 1 or 2 before they are exposed in one of the money bowls again.
By Scooter11
September 12, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
Right on, ‘Zoo. Why do the NCAA, the pollsters, and TV continue to let ND operate as ND wishes, and get special treatment regarding independence, polls and bowls? Is it the Catholic lobbyists? I like the idea of having to participate in a conference championship game to be eligible for BCS consideration. I am not anti-ND, but I don’t like special treatment. Fair is fair, and this scenario ain’t.
By EEJAY
September 12, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Quit whining. You want eveyone else to change so you don’t have to. Maybe you should lobby the SEC to get serious about changing their system.
By Roswell Ed
September 12, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
The BCS is better than the old system but teams will still get screwed.
In a perfect world I wish that 4 or 5 teams could go undefeated and f—— up the whole thing.
AU in 2004 got jobbed, but at the end of the day a team that beats UGA, 2003 BCS champion LSU, Alabama, Tennessee twice and win the Sugar Bowl against a very good Va Tech team does not need the approval of some silly system for me to consider them one of the teams of the ages.
By Buck Cochran in the NW
September 12, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
EEJAY, you mean to bring our level of play down to yours. No way, why don’t you bring yours up to us?
By RxDawg
September 12, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Just bring us an 8 team playoff NOW! It would settle everything. 6 conference champions and 2 at large. Let whats left have the bowls. On another note, I dont care what the football guru’s like to say about Texas, but they are not the same team w/o Vince Young. Texas may drop a few more and not look so good in Ohio’s schedule. Although they have such a weak schedule Oaklohoma is the only team I see capable of beating UT and they dont appear to be very good either. Bah, being SEC champion is hard enough to acomplish and its REAL. Its won on the field with the teams that earned their way there. The national championship game is a media fantasy. Sure they are two really good teams but whos to say that anyone in the top 8 couldn’t win it. We need a playoff, period. The special treatment that ND gets is a joke and a black eye to the sport.
By Gator
September 12, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
RX Dawg.. itll NEVVVVER happen. I gave up on that notion about ohh.. 5 minutes after I heard the argument. Even some coachs are starting to change their minds about playoffs. The only way some of them will revert.. is if the NCAA allows more scholarships (as I understand it).
By gdawginkalamazoo
September 12, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
Buck, Booyah! Excellent crackback on the old eejay.
By EEJAY
September 12, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
Well Buck and gdawg I guess you’ll never be able to proove what Conference is better because your’r not willing to think outside the box and make the current system work for you instead of against you. Fine don’t bring yourself down to anyone elses level. Just don’t complain when your left out of the playoffs. Whats a gdawg doing in Kalamazoo anyway. Thats a long way from home.
By brewerfaninATL
September 12, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
Hey kalamazoo, we had this conversation a while ago about ND joining a conference, such as the Big Ten. I agree wholeheartedly, the Big Ten NEEDS a 12th team to join in order for that to happen, due to unbalance. We offered ND a lucrative offer to join on numerous occasions, but they just will NOT bite. And really, why would they when they get their own TV deal, numerous profits, etc? Personally, I don’t think they have the gonads to loosen up and join the Big Ten…I mean, shoot, EVERY year they play 3-4 Big Ten teams anyway, what’s the harm in dropping Navy, Stanford, BYU, etc. when you can add Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio State, etc? They can still keep USC if they want. So basically, If ND don’t join, who would join? Maybe Marshall, but I don’t really know, certainly not anyone from the MAC, so we’re kind of in a bind here! I do agree with you though, because I REALLY want the Big Ten to have a championship game!
By NeverHappen
September 12, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Since the over-rated Big 10 and Pac 10 don’t have conf championship games, why not make their beloved Rose Bowl a championship game, and then let the winner face the real BCS conferences. Then the winner of that should have to face Notre Dame, since the AP seems to think they’re always #1 or #2.
By steve
September 12, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
The sec should use uga as an example of how to lower their level of play last year when they played west virginia.
By gdawginkalamazoo
September 12, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
EEJAY, HOW do you make the system work for you? Only thing you can do is run the table, win your conference championship and hope a bunch of computers put you where you belong. Do away with the conference championships? No those games put the exclamation point on your claim to the conference crown. No tiebreakers to decide that. I have said it many times before and will say it again Auburn deserved that shot at the title, IMO they would have been holding that crystal football in the air if they had been given the chance.
PS What am I doing in KZOO? This time of year I have no clue. Every once and a while I do see the Georgia G on a car tag or someone flying a flag off of their porch. I have to tell you it is a good feeling. When I wear my Georgia gear I get the occassional “What are you a color blind Packer fan?” or the best one yet was ” What does the G stand for Grinnell?”
By Scooter11
September 12, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
Right on, ‘Zoo. Why do the NCAA, the pollsters, and TV continue to let ND operate as ND wishes, and get special treatment regarding independence, polls and bowls? Is it the Catholic lobbyists? I like the idea of having to participate in a conference championship game to be eligible for BCS consideration. I am not anti-ND, but I don’t like special treatment. Fair is fair, and this scenario ain’t.
By Scooter11
September 12, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
Damn delayed posting.
By gdawginkalamazoo
September 12, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this
brewerfan, yeah all we can do is bash ND about not doing it but they are sitting in the cat bird seat with NBC $$$ and free ride to BCS bowls. They have to pay Wei$$ somehow. But they can join a conference and still make a lot of money, look at UGA’s athletic dept. IMO Lloyd Carr needs a big win this weekend.
By Tech fan in Nashville
September 12, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this
If you reference Terrance Moore’s column, you will all realize there is one way we can force a playoff system:
stop buying tickets
I know there’s no way that Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Florida fans, etc… will allow that to happen, but think about it. If we all say in 2007 that we are not going to pay thousands of dollards for the right to buy tickets, and then the cost of the ticket, and we are going to sit home, the pwers that be will listen.
The problem is that will never happen.
By brewerfaninATL
September 12, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this
kalamazoo, yeah, that’s my point, my man…they can still make a ton of money by playing in a conference, then even more if they make the conf. title game…but I know, it’s all about the greenbacks and about power, they have it and no one else does…and they know it! What sleezebags! I do think Michigan will win this weekend, BTW!
By War Eagle
September 12, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
This is what I recommend. The BCS polls are not published until middle of October. At seasons end, take Top 4 teams. for example 1. Auburn 2. SC 3. UGA 4. Texas…Auburn plays Texas in Orange Bowl..UGA plays SC in Rose Bowl, the following week, winners play for NC in the Sugar Bowl, alternate the Bowls…ONE EXTRA IS ALL IT TAKES???
By Roswell Ed
September 12, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
Aren’t we all a little premature? It’s the 3rd week of the season. There’s a lotof football left.
By gdawginkalamazoo
September 12, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
Roswell Ed, you are too correct sir! That’s the funny thing about this debate. We all complain, some mid conference BYU’s or Utah’s complain about not being in the BCS bowl game mix early in the season, then POW, they lose the next to last game to some lackey on their schedule and the point is moot. Then they go on to get shellacked by a lesser team in a blue turfed bowl game.
By nissandave
September 12, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this
All of us in the SEC know that what we accomplish when we win a conference title is unmatched by any other team in the country. BCS championship or not, the SEC is the title to win and worth much more than the fabricated BCS title. WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!
By jackets fan
September 12, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
SEC fans will hate me for saying so, but you need to schedule a high profile non-conference game to get into the mix. I’m not saying LSU vs. Auburn is not a marquee matchup, it certainly is. But for some reason voters don’t move teams in the polls as much for conference wins. Texas put themselves on a collision course with the national title with that win over Ohio State last year. It seems as though Ohio State has turned that trick this year, beating Texas. Stop the 1AA madness and let’s get a UGA vs. USC matchup, or an Auburn vs. Miami, or Florida vs. Notre Dame.
By Old Gator
September 12, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
Hey War Eagle, I know it was an example, but think man before you start ranking teams. No way AU can be #1 & UGA #3 at the end of the season. They would have to play each other twice and even a split would not allow that senario. Unfortunally, the SEC will be lucky to have two teams in the top five, although we know as many as five SHOULD be in the final top ten rankings.
By gdawginkalamazoo
September 12, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
jackets fan, we aren’t mad at you for saying that. Being an SEC top tier team it is hard to get the other top teams in the country to play you. Plus LOOK at the SEC we ARE the top ranked teams in the country. Auburn, LSU, UF, UT, UGA ALL in top ten except UT which is in the top 15. We play Auburn, UT, UF AND if we make it to the conference title game have to play AUburn or LSU AGAIN. That is the unique thing about the SEC it is THE toughest conference to play in (plus Arkansas and SC). Not like the top heavy ACC with Troy smashers FSU, Miami (can’t gain a yard against the Troy smashers in the second half), and Vick Tech (the vickness will wear off soon once the Valtrex prescription runs its course).
By nissandave
September 12, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
Year in and year out the SEC has a couple of teams that if they didn’t have to play against each other would likey meet in the BSC for the national championship. Auburn, Alabama, and LSU from the west and Tenn., Florida and Georgia from the east. If they didn’t have to play each other, they would be better off to win the title. No other conference has the “key match-ups” like the SEC. Year in and year out some of the best football games of the year come out of the SEC. How many Pac-10 games are worth watching? Big-12? Ect. You can find a great game every week in the SEC!
By Dave
September 12, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
When the SEC expanded to 12 and started playing a championship game, they made a risk/reward calculation and decided the money from the championship game was worth more to them than the risk that their highest-ranked team would lose said championship game. When the Big 12 and ACC followed in their footsteps, they assumed the same risk. The Pac 10, Big Ten, and Big East chose differently.
If the SEC wants to drop two schools (say, Kentucky and Vandy) and stop playing a championship game, we in the Big East will be happy to pick them up…
By TallaDawg
September 12, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
Whether they want to admit it or not, everyone knows that top-to-bottom, year in-year out, the SEC is the toughest football (probably SPORTS) conference in the nation. All that the SEC teams can do is play the schedule and win. Everything else is out of our control, right now. Scheduling a few high profile games would help, but how can you tell how good teams will be in 4 to 8 years, which is where schedules are now? Just look at the reversal of fortunes in the last four years for Oklahoma and Texas, as an example. Which of those two would be the better team to schedule for the 2011 season?
By War Eagle
September 12, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
OldGator, It was JUST EXAMPLE, those were the first teams that come to mind, you are correct#1 and #3 would be impossible in the SEC at seasons end.I agree with jacket fan, the SEC non-opponents keep the SEC out of the Lime light for polls. Auburn has tired hard to get better opponent as most all SEC schools especially UGA, Florida, Tenn and LSU. They are not their to get. Reason are two-fold, BCS and revenue for smaller progrsams as WK, Buffalo etc. who offer their services for a high fee.. Schedules, before BCS, were made 5-10 years in advance. I remeber when Auburn would annouce their schedule in 1965 for year 1972, all ten games, today year to year with exceptions.
By southcarolinajim
September 12, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
no SEC team will go thru unblemished…ohio state and usc do not play in conferences with playoffs so they never have to face anyone twice…FINAL FOUR is only solution for real champion
By Eddie
September 12, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this
6 conference champions plus two at large.Just 2 more weeks is all it would take to get a true champion.
By JustMe
September 12, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this
Until a true college football playoff system is established, the popular teams (not the better teams) will always get more votes and therefore be on top of the BCS. This means that Notre Dame, USC, Penn State, Michigan, Texas, and so on will always get those “popular” votes even though another more worthy team may not be as glamorous.
Remember the years when Notre Dame was still getting votes although their record was something like 3-4? Remember when Nebraska was getting votes when their record was something like 2-4?
Only a team without glamor that is unquestionably tons better will ever get atop the BCS. Most of the voters, to include the coaches and the journalist, want to maintain the staus quo because their vote counts.
The ACC teams will get screwed - no glamorous team there (used to be FSU but no longer). The SEC teams will get screwed (except for maybe Alabama - there are still some glamor points for Bear).
I would think that the ACC and SEC would join together to force the NCAA into a college football playoff. It only makes sense for those conferences (and also maybe the Big East and Conference USA).
By toemeetsleather
September 12, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this
i would love for the acc champ to get a shot at your osu bucks or university of spoiled children trojans
By steve
September 12, 2006 09:06 PM | Link to this
The SEC is by far the toughest schedule. Many complain because of a soft out of conference schedule (not always, but sometimes)but bear in mind we paly the hardest schedule in the country because we play one another. Pac 10 and Big 12 have one two maybe three teams that are truly top tier and sometimes they don’t play one another. USC plays two maybe three really tough games all year(this is also applicable to the other conferences) this equates to a well oiled machine with few injuries and plenty of speeded up practices. In the SEC, we are truly beat up by the end of the season. Beano Cook said it best a few years ago. If an SEC team goes undefeated they should be automatically awarded the National Championship. Having said that, I agree a play-off is the best solution to a nagging problem that is designed to keep the SEC out the top BCS game-How many of you remember that before Texas re-newed itself, they would be ranked 2 or 3 in preseason then eventually lose to Oklahoma or Nebraska. The pre-season polls kills the SEC. It should be a ranking of strength rather than a prediction of end of season records or popularity.
By brewerfaninATL
September 12, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this
Sorry toemeetsleather, but ACC can’t cope with Big Ten, esp. Ohio State and Michigan, even Penn State last year. SEC has legitimate argument vs. Big Ten but ACC does NOT! Case in point: 2002 Title game Ohio State beat Miami, yes Miami was Big East at the time, but still they were the heavy favorites with numerous NFL players…and they STILL lost! ACC is good, but not up to par with SEC and Big Ten…go argue with the Big 12, you may win those!
By brewerfaninATL
September 12, 2006 09:24 PM | Link to this
JustMe, that’s very funny! Tell me, how in the hell does FSU or Miami get screwed out of votes? FSU for the past 15-20 years have always been ranked in the preseason top 10, same as Miami…EVERY year! FSU won vs. Miami this year only because Miami played sloppier than they did, and Troy for God’s sake, almost exposed them for the frauds they are. Sorry dude, but your argument is being flushed down the toilet at this very moment!
By Steve (Buckeye fan)
September 13, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this
Toemeetsleather: I believe that the Buckeyes and Miami have scheduled each other. Can’t say that they will be a ACC champs, but I’m looking forward to watching it.
By physicsDawg
September 13, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this
I was excited when I heard a few years ago, that we had Colorado this year. Remember, several years ago, before their scandals, CO and Nebraska were the 2 best teams in the Big 12. Now look at them; I’m p**! Somehow Tech picked Noter Dame on a year the polls love them. UGA has GOT to start doing that to get national recognition. It’s the only way. We in the SEC all KNOW hove tough it is, but we have to prove it to the nation. UT vs. Cal helped our case. Someone besides ARK needs to step up and take on Ohio St or USC next year. All it takes is money and negotiation. Teams have to scramble to find a new opponent or juggles dates all the time these days. (Remember, AU’s slight in 2003 was because the played Citadel. They were forced to find a team to replace Bowling Green. And easy win, for sure, but a MUCH higher regarded team, who was stolen by a big 10 team (I can’t remember just now)) My point is this, *If we say the PAC 10 is so weak, why don’t we just schedule Cal or Wash St, instead of Western Kentucky and Central Florida. * We still get our patsy game, and reveal the frauds that they are.
By toemeetsleather
September 13, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
sorry….your reputation was severely damaged in first quarter of sugar bowl last year….have to prove it on field
By brewerfaninATL
September 13, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
physicsDawg,
A few years ago Auburn DID play USC and got blasted. What I hate is when teams pick opponents and then don’t play them until 7-8 years down the line, who knows how good they’ll be in 7-8 years? I do agree, I hate playing I-AA teams because nothing good can come from those games. Sure, it’s wonderful for those teams, but you had better kick the crap out of them or else you’ll lose BCS votes. I actually don’t mind playing teams like Fresno State or Boise State because they are powers in their conferences, and yeah, you’ll probably kill them on your home field, but they may be tough at their home. Look at Louisville, they were in the same boat as Boise and Fresno a little while ago and now they’ve moved up the ladder to a better conference and can play with most anybody. What really helped them was by playing the big boys and winning some of those games, which in turn helps their recruiting. But yes, get rid of the I-AA teams, unless those teams want to jump up to I-A, ala Troy State a few years ago.
By War Eagle
September 13, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
Hey brew where you been? you mention Louisville and Troy, both have former Auburn player(Blakney QB), and Petrino(OC). Coach Blakney should have replaced Pat Dye, but the Board of Trustee, Bobby Louder and his Colonial Bank got short man Shorty Bowdon,worst coach in AU history. When Pat Dye recruits played out, it was all down hill….TERRIBLE….There would be a huge chance if Blakney got CPD job, Coach Tuberville might not be around. Those guys can coach.
By brewerfaninATL
September 13, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
War Eagle, that’s wonderful for those guys. That’s how alot of the smaller schools get better, they get young, energetic coaches who learned the tricks of the trade under their old coaches. That’s great, ALL smaller schools should follow that lead!
By AFinPC
September 13, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Here’s my gripe…How does USC get hype for beating ARKANSAS!?!?!? Not if but when Auburn, UGA, LSU, etc defeats those pigs every year…yippee woo hoo…doesn’t even make a mark…They’re not even a top 50 program like say Wash. St. #37(Fox Sports top 119). The only time the SEC gets credit is when somebody beats our lowelies…i.e. Michigan over Vandy..VANDY!! or Louisville over KENTUCKY?? They play football? Give our top teams the credit we deserve and don’t forget UGA upset LSU last year…LSU would’ve KILLED West Virginia!!! i.e. Miami? All they did was get Larry Coker’s entire staff fired…
By AFinPC
September 13, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
Here’s my gripe…How does USC get hype for beating ARKANSAS!?!?!? Not if but when Auburn, UGA, LSU, etc defeats those pigs every year…yippee woo hoo…doesn’t even make a mark…They’re not even a top 50 program like say Wash. St. #37(Fox Sports top 119). The only time the SEC gets credit is when somebody beats our lowelies…i.e. Michigan over Vandy..VANDY!! or Louisville over KENTUCKY?? They play football? Give our top teams the credit we deserve and don’t forget UGA upset LSU last year…LSU would’ve KILLED West Virginia!!! i.e. Miami? All they did was get Larry Coker’s entire staff fired…
By Reasonable Dawg
September 14, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this
To those who say a playoff system weakens college footballs regular season I say this: If the top 4 in the final BCS poll are seeded, (1 vs 4) and (2 vs 3) with the two winners playing for the mythical NC, then the regular season would still have the same effect. When was the last time a top 4 team in the nation had more than 1 loss. So every game would still matter. Now when was the last time an undefeated team was left out. Just ask Auburn. The fact that the SEC always has at least 5 top 15 teams at seasons end makes the current system unfair to us. Pretty much us only. Now how is that fair. Anybody care to argue against this reasoning lets hear it. I have heard them all and have a valid counter point waiting.
By David Langdon
September 18, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
I have always wondered why when it comes to the BCS, the SEC teams never seem to get the respect that they deserve.
My opion may not mean much, but most of the SEC teams are really good football programs, and they are a tough schedule to make though undefeated.
If you make it through the SEC undefeated, you have done something to be proud of.
Almost always when an outside confrence team plays an SEC team, they have a monster on there hands.
LSU, AUBURN, GEORGIA, ALABAMA, FLORDIA, AND TENNESSEE… These teams are always on top of there game, and battle each other every season.
You’ll have to forive me, if I don’t get excited about USC going undefeated for a few seasons, with that schedule they have had.
IF they were an SEC team, I highly doubt that they would of made it as long as they did undefeated..
By thedude
September 26, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this
its often argued the SEC is weak because its non-conference schedule is weak…and I must agree our non-conference schedule is weak, but the inner conference is the toughest out there (there are 4 SEC teams in the top 10 right now…more than any other conf). how else in the top 10 has to play so many single digit ranked teams during regular season???
Lets face it, playing weak teams brings some balance (and $$$) to our already tougher schedule (LSU, AUBURN, GEORGIA, ALABAMA, FLORDIA, AND TENNESSEE) where somebody has to lose.
at the end of the season we usually don’t get to play the ‘top 2’ because we have already destroyed each other during regular season and fallen in the polls because of it. how many years do UGA, FLA & TEN all have to lose a game to one of the other 2, but never have one dominant team going undefeated?? i am tired of unrealistically ‘undefeated’ teams going all the way when they haven’t even played 3 top 10 teams going into the Bowl.
i see only one way to solve this once and for all… SEC gives up the weaklings in the non-conf schedule and start playing big 10 & pac 10 teams 1 or 2 games during the regular season instead of the weaklings. while i am happy to play their top teams, surely their conf is so strong that we just have to play someone in their conf to prove the point?? either way, let them come down south and see the big dawg eat and we can show ‘em how the ball is run in the south.
this would settle this long ‘east coast/west coast’ debate once and for all… i am willing to bet the farm that USC, Ohio and Notre Dame won’t ever go undefeated if they have to put our game into the mix at least once during the regular season! thoughts?