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Braves as sellers presents exciting possibilities

After this weekend’s exasperating series in Philadelphia, there’s no question about it: The Braves should be sellers.

They flew home last night looking up at a sobering 71/2-game deficit in the N.L. East race (10 1/2 in the wild card). They haven’t been in fourth place this late in a season since 1990, which makes it pretty clear.

This year, the Braves won’t be trying to find that final piece — like Jeff Reardon in 1992, Fred McGriff in 1993, Mike Devereaux in 1995, Denny Neagle in 1996, and recently Bob Wickman and Mark Teixeira — at the deadline.

Instead, for the first time in about 20 years, the team should be trying to cut ties with expensive veterans who aren’t likely to be around next year and load up on some nice young prospects (not to mention keeping the ones they have).

Provided they make the right moves this week, I’m excited about the possibilities. After all, the Braves got an unknown prospect named John Smoltz in 1988 by sending Doyle Alexander to Detroit, and the Yankees built that great team in the late ’90s by holding on to Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada and Bernie Williams.

There are some promising youngsters down on the farm these days, and I’m happy to keep them — and maybe even add a few more.

So I’m wishing Frank Wren all the best as he burns up the phone lines this week, likely shopping Teixeira (who’s hitting .400, 12-for-30, since the All-Star Break) and probably lefty reliever Will Ohman, and the scouts, too, as they scour the minors for potential. Here’s hoping the next Smoltz is on his way to Atlanta later this week.

A couple of notes from the weekend:

• Will Ohman does a mean Harry Caray impersonation. His “Nitram Odarp” (Martin Prado) was classic!

• Brian McCann must be one of the most-loved players in baseball. Even the Phillies fans gave him a standing ovation when he walked off the field after that nasty collision yesterday. (See photos of that here.)

Upcoming TV Schedule
Monday: vs. Cardinals, 7:00, SportSouth
Tuesday: vs. Cardinals, 7:00, Peachtree TV
Wednesday: vs. Cardinals, 7:00, FSN South
Thursday: vs. Cardinals, 7:00, Peachtree TV
Friday: vs. Brewers, 7:30, Peachtree TV
Saturday: vs. Brewers, 3:55, FOX
Sunday: vs. Brewers, 1:30, SportSouth

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By geekboy

July 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

The Braves need outfielders with pop. They have one of the weakest hitting outfields in all of baseball. There are some big names due for free agency, so I would save some cash for a run at Matt Holiday and Jeremy Hermida. I would try Francouer in centerfield but if he doesn’t work out try Anderson. I would have Anderson as my 4th outfielder anyway as a defensive sub. I think Francouer and Hermida will overcome their batting average problems … they are still young and just need to learn to relax at the plate and recognize pitches.

I would fire Terry Pendleton. No one has ever explained how a batter who did not have a great career batting average … and who changed his stance every week or so depending on the color of his underwear, can make a good batting coach! We can’t hit because Pendleton can’t coach.

After outfielders, I would look for a quality lefty veteran starter.

I would move Chipper to first base whether he likes it or not. Infante should be considered as a regular third baseman, but there are likely beefier bats available. We need someone that punishes left-handers.

The Braves are not THAT broken, they just play flat, with little or no enthusiasm for the sport.

During the rest of this season, I would have Glavine train to take Bobby’s place on the bench in the near future.

By Del

July 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

There is a distinct possibility that the Braves could go 2-5 this week. Lets hope FW has already done enough preliminary work where he can pull the trigger on several deals this week that will ensure that we are challengers in 2009. After the trades we should devote the remainder of the season to getting as much playing time as possible for our starters next year.

By jimcpa

July 28, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Go PHILLIES!!!! Gotta love Howard and the flyin’ Hawaiian!!

By Jeff

July 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Just trade Chipper - if you get a can of tuna fish for him we’re better off. Every time I see Frenchy sitting next to Chipper in the dugout I cringe. And folks are asking what’s wrong with Frenchy…funny how Chipper’s about to go on the DL before the All Star game, only to realize that means he couldn’t play in the All Star game at Yankee stadium (for his dad), and then less than one week after the All Star game he misses a critical three game series with the Phillies and is “most likely” going on the DL this week…yep, this is Chipper’s team alright…to quote a line from Remember the Titans “…attitude reflects leadership”.

By PBR=America in a can

July 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Why does Bobby keep on putting Blaine Boyer in to pitch??? He throws batting practice fastballs and always gets rocked. Please send him to the minors. And i will agree on the Terry P commment.

By ChrisfromSacramento

July 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

First off the comments made by Jeff about trading Chipper is a joke. What a stupid thing to say. Francoeur stinks. He is the most over hyped player that has come up in a long time. Chipper is all I have to look forward to when i watch the Braves. He was chasing 400 for two and a half months. The rest of the team sucks. Trade Tex and Ohman now. Trade Francoeur to a Mexican team. Maybe we can get another Campillo for him

By ChrisfromSacramento

July 28, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

First off the comments made by Jeff about trading Chipper is a joke. What a stupid thing to say. Francoeur stinks. He is the most over hyped player that has come up in a long time. Chipper is all I have to look forward to when i watch the Braves. He was chasing 400 for two and a half months. The rest of the team sucks. Trade Tex and Ohman now. Trade Francoeur to a Mexican team. Maybe we can get another Campillo for him

By ChrisfromSacramento

July 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

First off the comments made by Jeff about trading Chipper is a joke. What a stupid thing to say. Francoeur stinks. He is the most over hyped player that has come up in a long time. Chipper is all I have to look forward to when i watch the Braves. He was chasing 400 for two and a half months. The rest of the team sucks. Trade Tex and Ohman now. Trade Francoeur to a Mexican team. Maybe we can get another Campillo for him

By Paul W

July 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

SELL SELL SELL SELL- and send Franchouer to the minors until September to see if he can learn to hit again, and also to gain some humility.

As long as JS is team President, I respect the Brave’s judgment; I wondered why he signed McCann to a long-term deal and not Frenchy, but I guess he knew what he was doing.

With all of the injuries, we’d still be in the race if Francouer was hitting near his career averages. The Braves MUST be pro-active with him- and even if he stays in the bigs, he does NOT have enough tenure to have “earned” the right to keep starting despite his results.

By Rob

July 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Jeff: With all due respect, your comments are completely unfounded, outlandish, and well, disrespectful to the one offensive constant the Braves have had in recent memory. Sure, we’ve had sluggers come through ala Sheffield, Tex, etc., but no one- and I mean no one- has contributed as much to this organization from the offensive standpoint (yes, I would argue Smoltz has contributed more, but I’m addressing the offense) than Chipper Jones. No one.

Over the past 2 and 1/2 years, Chipper has pretty much been the best hitter in baseball (or at least in the top 3). That is nothing short of amazing, as he continues to get better with age. He is solidifying his already strong credentials for a run at the HOF (which I would say he already has the rate stats for, but it can’t help putting a few more years under his belt). Chipper is the ONE hitter I wish all of our other hitters WOULD emulate - case in point, McCann. McCann’s power/patience is ideal from a hitter, and I’m sure at least part of it is credit due to Chipper (and McCann has essentially said as much). I’m sorry but Jeff’s suckiness (and his production - or lack thereof- this year is very, very, very alarming) has nothing to do with Chipper. It has everything to do with a 24 year old who has gotten by his entire baseball life on tools and physical talent alone, without much in the way of a developed plate approach or advanced pitch recognition - and, as such, has had major difficulties (and not surprisingly) with adjusting to the adjustments made by MLB pitchers.

I’d like to see you playing and grinding it out every single day with a strained hamstring.

Unbelieveable.

And, for the record, I’ve been on the PLEASE SELL!!! bandwagon for several weeks now… Trade Tex, Trade Ohman (relievers fetch alot during the trade deadline- much more than they are otherwise usually worth), Trade Francoeur (for DeJesus, even), etc. Just hold on to our key assets going forward (i.e., McCann, Kelly Johnson, at least one of Lillibridge or Escobar, Chipper, Hudson, and the young kids).

Color me excited!

By Kootchypop

July 28, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Francoeur & prospect to KC for Zach Greinke/Gullen Kelly Johnson to Baltimore for Brian Roberts Tex to LAD for Loney & prospect Schafer & JoJo Reyes to Pitt for Bay Ohman to FLA for Mike Jacobs

Presto change-o, there are your 2009 ATL Braves.

By cooper

July 28, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

You realize CC at this point you are going to get a bag of balls for anyone who is a 2mos rental.

This delusional baloney of getting great prospects or even ML starters for FA rental is sad.

All the division leaders are basically set with their rosters and if anything they may look to pickup a starter or a closer if they can.

That means the only guys who will get you back the names this blog and you AJC writers have been spewing is Hudson, JJ, Gonzo, Ohman and maybe Soriano.

In terms of position players Escobar will get you more than Tex. McCann would have yielded a huge bounty.

Since McCann and Escobar are untouchable I don’t see them going anywhere, same with Chipper.

So are you proposing we trade Hudson b/c Tex is not going to get you anything more than draft pick level guys so why bother. So the team can lose 15 games in a row and empty out Turner Field?

Your team just scored 27 runs in three days against a team that has lead the division for months. The had a sweep in the bag if the pen was even remotely good and your manager was 10% better at pen management.

The reason you lost two of three is due to two players - Boyer and JOJO not the whole team.

Wren has said repeatedly there is not a magic number to sell from but rather how the team is performing and if he can add a piece9s) to fill in the holes.

Well he has a neon sign now in front of him - pitching.

Many of the more astute fans have said over and over the bats would come around however the pitching was built on a house of cards.

Hudson, four rookies and a should be DFA loser bin of a pen (apart from Gonzo & Ohman) was an accident waiting to happen.

Right on queue pitching apart from Hudson, JJ and Camp wet the bed.

Yet Wren was under the delusion that he just needed an OF.

He watched the Cubs pick up Harden for nothing and as far as we know did not make a run to get AJ Burnett, Fuentes or any other pitcher.

Imagine how this week would have went down if you had Harden, Fuentes pitching in games?

You would have won 2-3 against the Nats, FL and swept the Phillies.

Pitching killed this team more so than anything else this past week.

Given the Met’s and the Phillies are very flawed teams and two months of baseball left the team should be rewarded for its offensive push this week with getting AJ Burnett, Fuentes or Sherill and Bay.

Every team in this division is capable (and will) of losing 6-7 games in a row especially the Mets and Phillies.

Get some pitching and a bat and you are right back in it.

This is not a crazy hail mary idea it is plausible and the right thing to do b/c no team in baseball if going to throw the Braves a huge bone for anyone we are looking to trade.

By braveslover

July 28, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Sorry Chickie but I respectfully disagree this time with you. To lose players the magitude of Tex and Ohman for youngsters would set this team back five years. The object is to win, baby. Fielding a AAA/AA team and charging major league prices for tickets and food is a death knell for attendance at games. It would be YEARS before we would climb to the elite again. JF and KJ have shown us that rushing players to the bigs is a recipe for mediocrity and Braves Nation will not go silently watching little league caliber play. We built around Chipper and now have the opportunity to build around a new corner stone with Tex. Spend the money, sign a second baseman, pick up a boomer outfielder, and let’s play ball.

By Kootchypop

July 28, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Correction…

Francoeur & prospect to KC for Zach Greinke/Gullen

Kelly Johnson to Baltimore for Brian Roberts

Tex to LAD for Kemp & prospect

Schafer & JoJo Reyes to Pitt for Bay

Ohman to FLA for Mike Jacobs

Presto change-o, there are your 2009 ATL Braves.

By BBFCFM

July 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Kootchypop

I also have a delicious doorstop, that I will trade you for your crummy old danish.

Presto change-o and there’s breakfast.

By cooper

July 28, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

damn straight braveslover.

it’s embarrassing to see a run on white flags.

grow some hair on your peaches people.

By BBFCFM

July 28, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Kootchypop

I also have a delicious doorstop, that I will trade you for your crummy old danish.

Presto change-o and there’s breakfast.

By Daddys357

July 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Why not make a trade for Manny and Yukalius (spelling may be off) but that would provide power in the outfield and also replace Tex at first with a good .300+ hitter. Any thoughts on that?

By Dave Smith

July 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Why not trade for Manny? that would be great RBI and HR production from an outfielder for the next few seasons. Any thouhgts on that idea?

By John

July 28, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Sorry ChrisfromSacramento, none of us can take you seriously if you have post your idea so many times…tsk..tsk…

By 6-4-3

July 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

I’ve got a feeling, and a bad one at that, that Franceour will become a pretty good ballplayer in the future. Just not with this team. So the Braves are in a no win situation with him. They can’t go into 2009 with him in LF, not with him hitting like this. But I don’t think he’ll figure it out in Atlanta so we won’t get anything of value for him.

We’re SCREWED!

By Rick Long

July 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Do you have a way of communicating this to Frank Wren and the rest of the Braves’ management? Last I heard the Braves were buyers? All we need is another trade deadline bandaid or two and viola we will be back in the playoffs (actually sink further into mediocrity or worse). Yes siree, let’s acquire a couple more players like Norton and Tavarez (are you %#* kidding me?) and we’ll be right back in the playoffs at least and most likely the World Series as well.

P.S. Hey Frank, are you going to offer Tex arbitration at the end of the year so that you at least get some compensatory draft picks or are you going to get absolutely diddly for him just like Andruw? You remember him, right? The fading talent who you don’t try to seriously trade despite knowing (a) he is going to become a free agent; (b) is not going to re-sign with you because of your operating budget and the fact that he is a Boras client; (c) will become a 10 and 5 guy 2 weeks after the trade deadline and will veto any trade during the next and his last season with the team; and (d) you will not offer arbitration because you are afraid he will accept and blow your budget like Maddux did a few years back.

By Supes

July 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

This isn’t fatansy baseball people…some of the trades you have proposed are home town trades.

Like the other teams in the league exist with the purpose of re-stocking your ATL Braves? Unreal.

For Tex and Ohman the Braves should get back 4-5 players, depending on the caliber of players. (If both are packaged to one team that is)

What we need in return: Prospect wise is an outfileder with power, a starting pitcher (hard thrower) or a solid reliever (with closer potential), a first baseman (power). Those will be needs within the organization.

I would like to see Jeff Francine traded but is there even a market for him out there…I know Dayton Moore from the Royals loves Jeff…maybe some sort of deal could be done there but Braves probably won’t get much in return now.

From the Royals…we had a chance to go after David DeJesus last year and right now he’s their most exciting young outfielder. Shame it didn’t happen.

When Tex leaves, Braves can go after Mike Jacobs from the Marlins and sign him to a decent contract without having to break the bank.

Remember…with all the players coming off the books, Braves should have between 40-50 million to spend to sign new guys next year if payroll remains the same.

By R1U

July 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Francoeur could have Clint Hurdle disease….remember he was a can’t miss…too bad he WAS fun to watch.

The NL L-EASTcan be had—-lots of games left and within our division——quitters never win!!! We celebrated for 14 years—- Let’s toughen up!!!

By Frank

July 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

I wouldn’t complain if the Braves traded for Manny.

He definately would be a step-up from Frenchy.

By gayle

July 28, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

….and then reality set in…….No more “if we take four of six this week” nonsense.

This talk about trades is all well and good, but as long as the management remains in place - with “manager for life” Booby Cox - what’s the point?

Even if the Braves had their pick of the All-Star team, they will not win with Booby in the dugout.

Remember this is not just a one-year surprise. The Braves have not made the playoffs since 2005, they have not made it past the LDS since 2001, they have not made it to the World Series since 1999 and they have not won it since 1995.

By TheCutMan

July 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

I would like to see a hands-on, local and hold ‘em accountable new owner for the Braves. I don’t see any urgency, accountability or will to win with the current bunch.

By ASHAMED TO BE A BRAVE'S FAN

July 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

The Braves need to be **BUILDERS.

They’re not that far from being contenders. I’d like to see some management changes, but if we wait for that, it’ll be 2012 and Bobby wil still be at the helm.

USe what we have to get what we need.

By 22oz

July 28, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

You’re forgetting the big deadline acquisition of Tom Martin in 2004. That beign said, i think Wren already plucked the next John Smoltz in trading Renteria to Detroit for Jair Jurrjens AND Gorkys Hernandez. Best trade of Wren’s first year, and may be his best for years to come. Hard to top that one.

By Bailer

July 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

It appears that young white stuff has really messed up Jeffs mind. he strikes at everything so he can g et home FAST. LOVE THAT McCANN

By STRETCH

July 28, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

“Gayle”

Nice observation on Bobby Cox..he’s really lost it or, he NEVER had it. People…Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux won all those NL pennants…NOT BOBBY COX and people are just now starting to see the real deal!

Also, see ANDRUW JONES and his .166 BA was benched by JOE TORRE today. Qoute: “We are going with KEMP, PIERRE and EITHER, the guys with the HOT hands. Its that time of year when WE are going after the win.”

Look at all the games where FRENCHY has left runners on, all the times “BLAME” Boyer and company has blown games cause Bobby continues to leave em in the game!

Hmmmm, and all these Bobby Cox lovers are trying to blame everything and everybody else for this teams nightmare of a season?!!!

And there was absolutely NO excuse for a team to blow leads like they did this past weekend….NO EXCUSE…thats ALL ON THE MANAGER!

By Matt

July 28, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Ill go ahead and put it out there. I dont think we sell. I know that it does not matter now, but we had a sweep of the Phillies in our hand. If the bullpen, who has been supurb all year long would have been able to make a few smarter pitchers, this decision would be alot easier and we would be 5.5 games out instead of 7.5.

We have beaten the Mets and Marlins all year. And we just showed that we can score runs against the Phillies. I dont think its too outlandish to think we cant come back with a good win streak. Hell the Mets got back in with winning 10 of 14.

The point I am trying to say is that it would not suprise me at all if we dont trade Tex and we try to pick up an outfielder. I think that Wren saw the potentional we have, just like in ‘91.

And to steal a line from a great baseball movie…”We just need one thing to put it all together!”

Good news is we dont have Rachel Phelps as an owner! ha

GO BRAVES!!!

By SoWeGa Fanatic

July 28, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Genius, Adruw was 10-5 guy and couldn’t be traded wihout his permission at deadline.

By LivininAL

July 28, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Hey 22oz! I agree with u you concerning the trade of Renteria and what we received in return, but GAWD I remember so many times last year when Renteria performed in the CLUTCH at the plate. When the pressure is on, so many Braves including Tex, have crumbled at the plate this year. Guess this is just a late tribute one I considered an impact player. For all his good qualities and stats, I dont think Tex will be missed that much.

By tr

July 28, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

Tex, Ohmen & Frenchie to Red Sox for Manny & Youklis

By Braves Fane - FOR REAL

July 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Wow! What a bunch of no nothing whiners.

GEEKBOY - you must be 12 - Terry Pendleton was a great hitter. He lead the Braves out of the dark ages and was a terrific siuational hitter with pop. You are nuts to think he could not hit. If he changed his stance it was to make an adjustment on the pitcher.

The Braves should resign Tex - be patient with Frenchy - and keep Chipper as long as he can walk - he is a great player. The Braves should be buyers - not sellers right now. Minus injuries, this would be a very different story right now.

By JimK

July 28, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

If Wren can’t get top prospects or an established star like Youkilis for Teixeira, then he has proven what an awful trade he made last summer.

I never understood the logic of the “rental”. (Doyle Alexander was a rental for the Tigers, and we got 20 years of John Smoltz.)

It makes more sense for a wealthy contender to acquire Teixeira, then match or beat top offers for him in the Fall. Bonding with teammates in a pennant race should help the process of re-signing him.

If the market is as weak for Teixeira as it seems, with only the Mets and Orioles seriously interested, then Boras should ask for the Braves’ best extension offer now ($55m for 3 years?) and give them a final yes or no early this week.

If Boras has so convinced everyone that Teixeira is going to be a pure auction that the Braves can’t attract suitable offers for him, then Wren made a terrible miscalculation in 2007. Clearly dealing for a Boras client is something to avoid repeating in the future.

By Pete Rose

July 28, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Bobby, haven’t you got any guts? Victorino deliberately came at McCann with a head ram into Mac’s temple. He was out by a mile, but saw a clear shot to take Big Mac out. Why didn’t we throw at the Phillies next inning? Someone should have thrown a beaner at Vic’s fat head. The pitcher would have been ejected - so what? There may have been a bench-clearing brawl - good! These pathetic Braves need some motivation. Instead, they have to suffer another 5+ run lead blown in 24 hours against a hated division rival, as their disgusting fans taunt and mock chop. Then you stick your tails between your legs and limp out of town, 7 1/2 games out, when you could have SWEPT. But you lost the series, Bobby, because of your insane loyalty to those two gutless pitchers, Boyer and Reyes. Then you make vomit-inducing statements like “Blaine only made one mistake today,” or “You have to tip your cap to their hitters.” BULL! Where’s the fight? You’ve just been dog-slapped and you just take it. “We’ll go get ‘em tomorrow.” No, you won’t. It’s the same thing, game in and game out. I am so sick of this “gentlemen” act. The Phillies smell blood. Pick your heads up! At least go down fighting. You guys are making me sick. When Escobar first came up., he was so fired up. How refreshing that was. Now he’s caught the Brave’s lethargy, and the fire is gone. He looks just like Chipper or Francoeur as he calmly walks back to the dugout after hitting into a rally-killing double play. Come on! Wake up! Get mad! Go out and get ‘em tomorrow - for real! Kick some butt! Come on!

By proeye

July 28, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Wow, some of you are completely delusional. Some of you seem to think that the only way to get talent is to trade for established big names which is ridiculous. Where do you think Jurrjens and Smoltz came from? The came up through someone elses’s farm system (both from Detroit’s coincidentally) and we traded for them.

YOU CAN GET MAJOR LEAGUE TALENT AT A FRACTION OF THE COST - SOMETIMES HALL OF FAME TALENT. But you never know what you are going to get and that’s where the great management comes in. I can’t recall too many bad trades that the Braves have made for young players.

I would rather trade Tex for two big name minor leaguers than an established, expensive player.

By Fan since 66

July 28, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Why can’t Cox use Soriano, Ohman, or Gonzo in the 5th or 6th inning with the game on the line? Oh, because it isn’t in his book. Trade Tex, Ohman, Kotsay, and now someone might give something for Hampton for the remainder of the season. Re-evaluate Francouer and KJ, they seem to be less than we thought they were. At least put KJ back in the outfield and use some of our real infielders at 2nd base. Get rid of TP as batting coach and do everything possible to get Don Baylor back. This season is toast, but next season is salvagable with the right moves.

By spotts

July 28, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Some of these trade proposals you guys are making are the dumbest I’ve ever seen.

By mattg2040

July 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Trade Tex and Ohman of course. But we need to get a young 1st basemen in any deal. We definitely need to cut ties with Francoeur now, he is the next coming of Andruw Jones, swing out his shoe laces at pitches way off the plate. I like Kelly Johnson, but we need an everyday 2nd basemen, someone that hits lefties and righties. And we need a true leadoff batter.

By proeye

July 28, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

I really wish that idiots who advocate throwing at someone’s head be banned from posting.

Getting uncontrollably angry does not solve anything. Face it people: It’s not the manager. It’s called injuries and lack of talent. Hello? Earth to morons!

If we had the team we started out with, we would be burning up this league particularly the eastern division which is really weak. We didn’t anticipate losing so many players and we didn’t anticipate Francoeur tanking it. Frankly, we didn’t anticipate Tex having an off-year either. Really, I think this team is actually doing better than it should given who is playing in the outfield.

How about next year we build up the bench so that we actually have guys who BELONG IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES. We can’t have a load of .200 hitters subbing for injured legit players. It’s ridiculous! SPEND THE MONEY!

SOMEONE WAKE UP LIBERTY MEDIA! WHERE IS THE MONEY THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SPENDING!

Would one of you AJC writers finally address this after this week if you don’t see any action? Please???

By Jerry

July 28, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Why do anything just for the sake of doing something.

Can we look position by position.

The move you make right now is to offer Tex a 6 year $90,000,000 a year contract and then build around him. He wants to stay in Atlanta so lets give him a shot and see if thats true.

KJ is absolutely to streaky and his defense is a liability. Infante would look good at this position. He always puts the ball in play. Lillibridge might work here also.

Escobar is our future and when Hoss retires he goes to 3rd and Lillibridge moves to short.

Our outfield is a shambles. Kotsay is at the end and would make a good bench player. From here on out Frenchy should earn his starts. Things have always come easy for him and he’s never had a down year. We give him the benefit of the doubt but if his poor strike zone continues next year send him down for an extended period. Anyone can do what he’s doing. Blanco is earning himself a spot for the future so for now we only need an outfielder. $20,000,000 for Holliday sound good.

Glavine’s $8 mil Hampton’s $16 mil Smoltzies $8 mil

Thats $30 mil saved so for $5 mil more we have improved our team and gotten younger in the process.

2009 opening roster

Catcher-McCann can First-Tex Second-Infante Short-Escobar Third-Hoss Left-Holliday Center-Blanco Right-Frenchy

Extras outfileders are Anderson and Kotsay Extras Infileders are Lillebridge and Prado Extra Catcher would be anyone in our farm system

That leaves 12 pitchers Keepers are: Gonzo, Soriano, Jurrgens, Campillo, Hudson, Morton, Ohman, Bennett, Moylan and fill the 3 remaining spots with:

sign Hampton for $1 mill and tell him he owns us. We paid him now he needs to pay us. Surely we have 2 minor league pitchers that can be moved up. Remember, they can’t do worse than what we have. Can they?

Sounds good to me.

As for coaching; Keep Bobby but bring back his old staff. Corralles, Mazzone, Don Baylor and Jimy Williams. We could have them all for a song.

Finally one poster said the Braves were just having bad luck. Luck is where preparation meets execution. We’ve not done either for a while.

By NO MORE BOBBY

July 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

THANK YOU!!! It is nice to see that some AJC writers know what is best for this years team and not posting more false hope to the fans. We should be sellers and get some players that will click with what we already have for the future. Chemistry is everything on a team and although some good players and big names are on the Braves, the chemistry just has not been there this year.

By Michael

July 28, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

I have been a Braves fan, like most of all you, since I was a little kid. I could feel disaster coming on as soon as nearly all of our key management changed. Turner gone (although he didn’t do much), John no longer the GM making decisions, Leo Mazzone & Ned Yost leaving…I think this has been a few years running and it’s finally catching up.

I still can’t figure out why Atlanta doesn’t get key players at key positions like EVERY other contender in major league baseball. Nobody is contending for a division title without a good CF and closer. Those may seem like obscure references but those are the 2 pieces Atlanta has been missing since contending years ago (at least having them both at the same time.)

I also agree with the comments about Terry Pendleton…none of the Braves seem to be improving except for Escobar and, let’s face it, he’s just a stud. So why trade away our only consistent hitter for a guy that won’t hit for 3 years because our hitting coach sucks?

We have now and always have spent too much money on old guys because we are a loyal franchise. But let’s face it, loyalty doesn’t win you championships.

And one last thing…maybe we should get a new trainer and/or strength & conditioning coach, because no other franchise in baseball goes through the injuries to EVERY SINGLE player like the Braves do.

By ant.b

July 28, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

I think the braves should bring back A Jone , because this is where he belong , He is a very unhappy player right now . Frank I hope you listing.

By gayle

July 28, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Props to Pete Rose for calling out Booby on the knockout play yesterday.

With respect to proeye’s comment about not advocating beaning, when one of your players gets laid out like McCann did yesterday, notice needs to be served to the opposing team in some manner that they are simply not going to do that to your players and get away with it.

You older Braves fans might recall an incident in the early 90’s when current hitting coach Terry Pendleton walked off the field in the middle of an inning b/c the Braves’ pitcher did not knock down the opposing batter in retaliation for some infracion in an earlier inning.

This is not advocating to hit and harm someone, but there are ways to serve notice to the opponents that they are not going to splay out your players like Victorino did to McCann without consequences.

Even Joe Simpson called that a clean, hard nosed play. That is the way that baseball is supposed to be played, with emotion, spirit and guts - three things lacking under the Booby Cox administration.

By Wayne-o

July 28, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

get what they can for Tex, Ohman, Kotsay, Frecnhy, Diaz & maybe Hampton.

Put kelly back in the OF & let Prado play 2B. Let Brian McCann learn 1st base for the rest of the year. He is too good of a hitter to sit out every 5-7 days for rest… and to avoid head on collisions like he did yesterday. He is the future of this team not Tex, not Francine.

By ben

July 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

It appears the Phils own the Braves. Braves will be fighting it out with Washington for last place.

By Rick Long

July 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

SoWeGa Fanatic:

I never said I was a genius, but before you criticize Mr. Rocket Scientist, you get your facts straight. Andruw became a 10 and 5 guy only AFTER the trade deadline in 2006, which made it even more imperative to seriously discuss trading him.

I am sure that Mr. O’Brien or one of the other writers can confirm that I am correct about this.

By Philip

July 28, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Right now this team doesn’t have much to “build” around for the future. If…a big “if”… the Braves were committed to signing Tex to a long-term deal and being aggressive in the free agent market this offseason then they should keep the current team in tact. However, we all know that’s not the case. So the Braves should definitely “sell.” In fact they should be willing to trade more than just Tex…include Chipper and Hudson on the list. It’s quite obvious this team has no chance of winning this year and the current ownership has made it perfectly clear they have no intention of spending money on this team. The Braves ownership is only concerned with reselling this team in the next few years. With this in mind the Braves front office should be collecting as much young talent as they can for the quality veterans they have now. Gone are the days of the Braves paying free agents to improve their team or paying it’s own players to stay.

Chipper could extend his career by going to an AL team and becoming the next coming of Edgar Martinez. While Tim Hudson deserves to finish his career with a team committed to winning.

It’s been a downward spiral ever since Ted Turner sold this team. Braves’ fans can only hope there is an “Arthur Blank-type owner” out there willing to ride in on a white horse and save the day.

By BlackberryCobbler

July 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

I think the whole scenario depends on whether or not Glavine, Smoltz, and Hampton will be back next season. If not, that frees up a lot of money.

Personally, I’d trade Tex (we don’t need someone good only 1/2 the season), move Chipper to 1B, trade Franceour.

Build up the pitching, and get power at 3B and in the outfield.

And for heavens sake, please get rid of Corky Miller!!

By Tomy Fournier

July 28, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

“MIND IF I CRASH HERE?…PHILS POUND FIVE HOMERS & ONE CATCHER”…THAT WAS THE SPORT PAGE FROM THE PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS SPORT.THIS IS A FUNNY MATTER…OK???AND OUR BIG “MORON” MR COX MANAGER SAID”THERE WAS NOTHING DIRTY ABOUT IT,VICTORINO HAD NO CHOICE”…MAY BE LAST TIME..KILL HIM!!!YES MR.PETE ROSE..YOU ARE RIHT WE NEED TO KICK SOME BUTT..BEGINNING WITH MR. MORON COX…WE NNED BLOOD….AND LISTEN WHAT JETER SAID ABOUT THE YANKEE OWNERS….”OUR OWNERSHIP ALWAYSGIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO WIN…IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY YEAR, IF THEY FEEL WE NEED SOME DIFFERENT PIECES TO HELP US WIN, THEY GO OUT AND GET THEM”…AND MY QUESTION IS…IF WE CAN SAID THE SAME ABOUT OUR ATLANTAS TEAM OWNERS??….PLEASE FANS …YOU KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS..RIGHT???IT’S TIME TO GO ON STRIKE AND NOT BUY MORE BASEBALL TICKET UNTIL THEY MAKE BETTER MOVE TO IMPROVE OUR TEAM…AND THAT IS THE SOLUTION…FOR NOW!!!!

By BlackberryCobbler

July 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Oh— another thing, being a “seller” is admitting that the Braves brass has been clueless the past year or 2 about the folks on their roster.

We gave up way too much for Tex and Franceour is proving to be just an overhyped homie.

By JimK

July 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

“bring back his old staff. Corrales, Mazzone, Don Baylor …”

I like that. Also bring back Seinfeld, Frasier, and NYPD Blue. But not Bill Clinton.

By proeye

July 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Come on! This talk about knocking someone out is utterly ridiculous. Some of you fans are completely clueless.

THE BRAVES AREN’T EVEN IN THE RACE! Not to mention that the Phils have completely owned the Braves this year! What reason would Philadelphia have for knocking out a player on a losing team???? Do you honestly think this was planned? Players are supposed to knock the catcher down to knock the ball away! It’s part of the game in case you haven’t noticed!

I swear a lot of you fans get on these “forums” and spout off whatever ridiculous thoughts pop into your heads without even thinking. I think some of you may even be on drugs, on gangs, or are pre-postal.

I’m telling you… So many of you are sore losers because the Braves have won for 14 years and now that we are going through a downtime, you want blood. Give them a chance. Doesn’t anyone remember the late 80’s?? I lived through that time. I’ve been a loyal Braves fan for 26 years and I’ve been through the trying times. Get used to it. Let’s make some effective trades for younger players and rebuild the dynasty.

This stuff about knocking out players and whining about it is just stupid and doesn’t deserve any more commentary.

By Fan of Santa

July 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

The Braves will not get any better as long as Terry P. is around, Please fire the clown.

By IGivUp

July 28, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

This team is broken and cannot be fixed with minor surgery. Unload anyone that can bring value. A coaching staff shakeup could help as well. We a looking to next year and beyond before they can expect to be competitive again. Jurjens, Campillo, McCann, and Escobar are the only ones that should be considered for retention.

By Fan since 66

July 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

They teach you in football not to lead with the helmet. If I were Victorina, I wouldn’t be crowding the plate next at bat against the Braves, and if nothing happens, it proves what a gutless, cluless bunch these Braves are. What would Gibson or Drysdale do?

By jnewt

July 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

The braves need a starting pitcher to build around other than tim hudson. A good pic up might be derek lowe, ben sheets, jon garland, bronson arroyo, or aj burnett. They also need to get a healthy outfield player such as manny ramirez, matt holiday, randy winn, jason bay, or josh willingham.

There are plenty of options i just hope they make some sort of deal to help the team. And trade that fool mike hampton if u can get anything out of him.

By Diamond Traveler

July 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Not being an insider, I cannot tell you who is the problem. But, look at the record. The Braves win most of their games by hitting the “long ball”. This has been Bobby Cox’ style since day one. If you have outstanding ptiching, it works. I don’t believe Pendleton can teach “back side hitting”. Frenchy could sure benefit by that approach. Cox’ style and TP’s ignorance appear to be the major problem. Reverse the one run losses and we would be leading the world. I would also sell at this point. Anyone over 30 would be on the move list except the franchise players. Show some respect to Chipper, Smoltz, and Glavine. They were and still are the class of the franchise.

By jimcpa

July 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

This just in..Chipper AND Hudson on 15 day DL..being a numbers guy, if you include Hampton, who for all practical purposes lives on the DL, the Braves now have 70%, thats 70%, of their payroll on the DL… JS sure knew when to jump…way to go Frankie, line up the old men for one last run and this is what you get..this is the equivalent of 5 tom watsons trying to outduel 5 Bubba Watsons over the course of 162 rounds…hmm, do I smell high paid conspiracy here? Nobody wants to play anymore..have cash, will travel..Tex Mex next

By jimcpa

July 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Alright Diamond traveler, we are showing respect to chipper, smoltz and glavie..45,000,000 a year (45% of the payroll) to sit on their cans. I’ll retire their number but they need to retire themselves…quickly

By ManOfTeal

July 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

You Braves fans are so optimistic. It’s so pathetic….Go Marlins!!!!

By Bravesfan4evR

July 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Now i know what crappy teams talk about in blogs in late July-just not used to being in this position as a Braves fan!!

My recommendation:

Thank Bobby for his great service to the Braves and tell him we are going to go in a new direction. He can take pendeleton with him. Thanks Terry, you were a good player. Just not a good hitting coach! Ask Leo Mazzone to come back and help with our pitching mess.

Hire a manager who will lite a fire under our players a**’s. We haven’t had fire in our dugout since the early 90’s.

And for you idiots out there who want to trade chipper. HELLO- he is one of the only bright spots we have had this year!

By LivininAL

July 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

We dont have a number one pitcher on the staff. I mean a stopper! Huddy is a #2 in my book no disrespect intended, remaining group is 4-5’s. Even if Smoltz, Glavin, Hampton are bck next year we will not have what I conisder a #1. Jair may be on the wayto #1.

By Scott Mowery

July 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Pitching hasn’t been the real problem it’s been situational hitting. I believe the Braves wuold make a good decision being a buyer or seller. If you buy get the timely hits You’ll win a bunch of games. If you sell you set up next year. I think Jordan Schaefer needs to be traded though. He is on track to be a huge dissappointment I think. And keep Kotsay he’s hitting well, but we do need some pop out there. Kelly Johnson needs to be benched for Infante and I love Prado but there isn’t any room for him and he could be a nice guy to make a deal spicier(sp.)

By vic

July 28, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

It would be nice if we had a Mgr. that had the balls to put Frenchy on the bench, the way Torre did A. Jones. Torre said ,its time to put your best nine on the field to win…why don’t Bobby do the same? Oh, I forgot Bobby walks on water.

By Check this out

July 29, 2008 3:19 AM | Link to this

Since the Braves season is a bust, why not catch up on the minors?

By santa3247

July 29, 2008 4:47 AM | Link to this

Hi, I’m Seong-Ho,Yoon living in Jinhae City southkorea now.

Major League Baseball Clubs over the USA please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have to receive the friends of Babylon only from Braves and Wren. Why?

Now PT&GM of Braves are under the ruling of Babylon, so Babylon must attack the player you received from Braves for the purpose of making PT&GM people having insight. Do you understand?

But, Babylon can’t attack their army and as a result of that, you can use freely. Do you understand?

Now Wren want to trade Jason Perry, Brandon Jones, both player being disturbed by Babylon from past to now.

After all, select player you MLB player can use freely, just like

Joseph Reyes, Joseph Sammon, Brent Lilibridge, Grego Blanco, Jeff Bennet, Manny Acosta, Jeff Ridgway, Paul Resop(He is good I think), Greg Norton, Martin Prado, etc.

Do you understand? ^*^

May the force of Messiah be with you

By Diamond Traveler

July 29, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Tex, Orhman, and Schafer to Boston for Youkolis, Ellsbury, and a pitching prospect. Kotsay and any other spare parts anywhere for pitching prospects. The real need is pitching and new offensive leadership.

By SL3

July 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Can’t believe there are still a few comments about being buyers? This is the time to restock the minors to replace what we have lost in some ill-advised moves by JS last yr. and other times. Maybe Victorino was just playing hardnosed baseball, but you still have to respond. Boyer should have decked the next batter or Victorino should have been sat on his butt the next time up. That one’s on the pitching coach. You can’t let a team hit that many homeruns against you and get any respect if you don’t. I’m not saying throw behind a guys ear and try to seriously hurt him but a little brush back is called for.

By awinters3

July 29, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

When are the braves gonna stop trading the future for players they know they cant keep. This has gotten rediculous. The cards got a pitcher who’s still pitching for JD Drew whos with the Sox, We gave up futures for tex and got back 1/2 as much.. Like trading a Carpet cleaning company for a Dyson, then trading the Dyson for a Ronco dust broom.. makes no sense

By awinters3

July 29, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

And the best answer to a hitting coach is in the broadcast booth. Joe Simpson knows more about what ails the Braves bats than anyone. On air , he shows exactly why Francour cant hit and exactly why McCann can hit. Fire Terry and hire Joe. Nuff said.

By richbrave

July 29, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

Well CHOP CHICK:

I suppose LIBERTY MEDIA will be pleased with a 1.5 million 1st baseman instead of a 12.5 million one.

Once again, its all about the money. To steal a line from Jerry McGuire, “Show me the money.” You can’t get winning major league talant on the cheap. When/If the payroll approaches 120 million you will see improvement. Until then forget it. Expect a mediocre club at 85-90 million.

DOWN ON THE FARM:

R=Braves now solidly intrenched in last place and in the weakest division of the IL. First to worst is raising its ugly head on the September horizon.

JOSH ANDERSON has regained his equilibrium and is now batting .292 He may resurrect his old self yet.

BRIAN LAWRENCE has performed well in a starting role, but as some may know has extensive ML experience and will be 32 on his next birthday.

PHIL STOCKMAN must be disheartened because he’s now beginning to leak earned runs with each of his last three outings. He even surrendered his first home run. Focus is a terrible thing to waste. What a shame. Thank you Braves management.

So much for today’s report from Mudville. And Casey, mighty Casey has just been traded to the Anaheim bunch from that upstart junior circuit.

By Check this out

July 30, 2008 3:28 AM | Link to this

more minor league stuff

By metsmanintheatl

July 30, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

looks like dead last for poo poo non-braves

By awinters3

July 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

can you add WHO CARES as the E answer to todays poll question on where will the braves finish , now that the fire sale has begun…

By Dave

July 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Not to worry guys. If it’s not already enough that baseball is boring by itself, now you have the Braves. You have descended to rock bottom and started to dig. Football is just around the corner to cure the summer blahs and all will be right in the world again. Just think, football makes more money than baseball, the NBA and hockey….COMBINED. It’s safe to say that I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Want to hear what a sporting event crowd is supposed to sound like? Come visit Knoxville, TN, Gainesville, FL or Athens, GA on a fall Saturday afternoon. GIVE ME FOOTBALL OR GIVE ME DEATH!

By richbrave

July 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Hey DAVE:

Watch Tennessee’s offense this year. They got both UNIVERSITY of RICHMOND’s head coach and receivers coach. The new Offensive Assistant DAVE CLAUSON is a genious at his craft, and the Receivers Coach was his top recruiter. TENNESSEE is going to become a tough out this year and into the future in the SEC, mark my words.

By santa3247

August 1, 2008 4:03 AM | Link to this

Hi, I’m Seong-Ho,Yoon living in Sea of Glass Southkorea now.

Joseph Sammon hit HR? ^^ J.Pineiro’s batting ball? ^^ high center of strike zone to slidertic smoothball? ^*^

For the trade requeast about friends of Babylon, PT&GM shut the door of trade? ^^ For the perpect seizing of Braves? ^^

Hey United Slaves of Amercia!! Interesting? ^^ Unqualified for Messianic Era and you must be reptalian through the last-judgment I will promise. ^^ Do you think my writting joke? ^^ Really? ^^

From past to now, friends of Babylon have trained how to play with neutron machine drivers through Minor League. Do you understand? ^*^

In first, Laputas will pour out the rage of God Elohim to the babylon’s nest, and after that, the friedns of Babylon would mourn sorrowfully, dolefully looking the devastation of Babylon by Messiah’s troops. This is real contents of [Revelation to John from Solomon]

May the force of Messiah be with you

P.S: One of my major banks in soutkorea did bankrupt in last year and another one is now just prior to bankruptcy. ^*^

By richbrave

August 1, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

santa 3247:

Send a little of that money from those banks to North Korea. People are starving up there. Be Messianic. We are all God’s people.

By McFann Ô

August 1, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Chop Chick

One of the most loved indeed…

By santa3247

August 2, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this

Hi richbrave!!

You are being deceived by the fraud media!!

Last year, NHK visited Northkorea for the checking of santa’s inspiration when N.K. did memorial march for army of N.K in Phyungyagn City.

  1. The gigantic propaganda of North Korea’s army was lie, just trucks together with troops only did exist. ^*^

  2. The introducers of N.K.Women were having luxurious jewels around fingers and wrists. ^*^

  3. The ashtray on the table of humble Building was the most expensive one made by China. ^*^

  4. Among 25,000,000 populations of N.K. Only 3~5,000,000 only living in N.K. for the play of fraud about satelite of world.

  5. And 10,000,000 was attacking Japan by implant and neutron from the death of King Sowha Japan to now.

[Check! the number of population in Japan exploded about 10,000,000 just after King Sowah’s death]

  1. And 10,000,000 were attacking Southkorea by the exact tactics.

[Check! the population of Southkorea explodes just after the president Park Jung-Hui’s death by palace gaurd]

  1. In N.K. only three flight per day exist, together with helicopter, fighter, etc. ^*^

  2. For over 50 years, in southkorea and japan, strangely real Yamato tribe’s desendants were daughter. Especially, Yamato tribe having Chivaley, borned daughter continuously. Why? Babylon killed man baby by neutron wave of particle when fertilized egg made in the womb. ^*^

May the force of Messiah be with you

P.S: USA was the last place to talk about Gospel(=inspiration=sixth sense) from Yerusalem(Laputa=Asgard) for me. ^*^

But, Yesterday USA government said, when people immigrate to USA, notebook can be confiscated by immigration for long term. ^^ And the guy of immigration could give my note-book to fake Santa3247. ^^

Sodom and Gomora’s era was exactly the same status as contemporary world. ~*~

By santa3247

August 2, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Hi, I’m Seong-Ho,Yoon living in Jinhae City southkorea now.

After blocking my looking at MLBTV, Babylon doing full attack I think. ^*^

Hey! Dazzlling Freemason Iluminati!!! Do you think you could do better than about Atlanta Braves? ^*^

Just like me, tell the truth about neutron and babylon and last judgment to whole people over the world. ^*^

If you would not do as I talk to you now, you must be attacked by neutron but for your behavior, you got it? ^*^

And what are you on earth now want to do through Mr.Obama?

  1. Wipe out resonance schumann culture [Mark of Beast related]
  2. Exterminate Babylon&Babylon’s friends [Beast related]
  3. Destroy the resonance schumann internet [Image of Beast related]

or Obama couldn’t do anything well I think. And Obama would help the friends of babylon only.

If Obama would help friends of Babylon and USA would be the perpect slave of Babylon and Jesus, Laputa(Yerusalem) fleet must destroy USA which is equiped with the stronggest army in the world.

This problem must be the essential fact after devastation of Babylon’s nest about Laputa.

May the force of Messiah be with you

P.S: From past to now, I couldn’t make any contact with korean and foreigner. And no money I received from people who want to help me. ^*^ Keep in mind.

You may kill fake santa freely, or fake-santa must be killed by troops of Laputa. ^*^

By santa3247

August 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

P.S: From past to now, I couldn’t make any contact with korean and foreigner for important things like last judgment and salvation etc. ^*^ Keep in mind.

By santa3247

August 2, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

P.S: From past to now, I couldn’t make any contact with korean and foreigner. And no money I received from people who want to help me. ^*^ Keep in mind.

By santa3247

August 3, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Hi, I’m Seong-Ho,Yoon living in southkorea now.

Freemason Iluminati please!!!

Babylon don’t always want to implant in ears, but from time to time they do implant about hand, elbow, shoulder, knee, hamstrang, etc. ^*^

When I was in Sekaikyuseikyo Japan’s Seoul church, a priest who was son of some ex-bishop of catholic came to me and requested drinking. ^*^

And I was intrigued about the purpose, because in my both ears implant existed. ^^ But after that, im my right palm, the same tiniest scar as in ear-hole was made. ^^

For the purpose of disturbing my radiation of the force of messiah I checked. ^*^

Do you understand? why I am now explaining my experience? ^*^

You must destroy the basic neutron wave of particle radiater. And whole implant and HARRP machine must be rubbish right now.

Babylon controlled Iraq and Kuwait’s intelligence unit. And Iraq intruded Kuwait. But after that, USA army made open the gate of resonance schumann to Iraq. Why? for the purpose of intruding Iran freely. ^*^

After that, Babylon attacked Afganistan by several methods, why? for the purpose of intruding Iran freely. ^*^

Ultimate purpose of Babylon is now ruling of Iran by implant and neutron completly. ^*^

Therefore Iran now try to invent ICBM for the purpose of attacking Korean Peninsla’s neutron system. So, Babylon orderred to Israel’s friends, descendant of people who constructed fake relics about Jesus from past to now. ^*^

Now Freemason Iluminati catching this fact ? ^*^

May the force of Messiah be with you

By santa3247

August 3, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Hey this below

[August 3, 2008 8:27 AM]

This can be changed freely I think. ^*^

Now southkorea’s time is 21:35. ^*^

By richbrave

August 4, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

SKIP CAREY.

By richbrave

August 4, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Come on CC, let’s turn another page.

By santa3247

August 6, 2008 7:43 AM | Link to this

Hi, I am Seong-Ho,Yoon living in Sea of Glass southkorea now.

Theseday Babylon’s army in Braves attacked Jason Perry and Phillip Stockman I think ^*^

Jason Perry couldn’t play at all for long term after returning from Major. And after forgetting his own condition for losing his temper, started to play again. ^*^

Phillip Stockman’s case is exactly same one as Jason Perry and Jarrod.Salty of Rangers. ^*^

And Why Mattew Diaz have to test again in AA, AAA? He did 2consecutive years over avg.330 and slg .490~500 in AB 350. and wonderful defense and baserunning. ^*^

Hey Mattew Diaz!!! radiate the light of Messiah to head-up gyt Grego Blanco everyday. ^*^

With M.Diaz and J.Francoeur and Brandon Jones and Jason Perry and Reid Gorecki, Braves have to trade other outfielders like G.Blanco and J.Bochard etc, because upper five players have great slg ability and qualified for Major. J.Perry and R.Gorecki’s only problem is experience of MLB.

If Brandon Jones and Jason Perry and Reid Gorecki would play game in Major exactly the same game as Glegor Blanco, Braves must fulfill the hole of Mark Teixeira. ^*^

May the force of Messiah be with you

P.S: Freemason Iluminati please!!!!!

The only method of solving neutron’s problem is extermination of anthena systems from the seoul tower’s one. No other method exist. So past freemason illuminati named Atomic Bomb to Neutron Clear Bomb. ^*^

If seven arch-angels would be in freemason, please radiate the light of Messiah to Korean Peninsla together with spell like “Please purnish babylon in the name of God” [IN ONE HOUR]

[I, Solomon, am the Apollon(not Alpha) and the Osiris(not Omega) and the create and the judge and the Bright Morning Star.] Do you remember this phrase? ^*^

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