Chop Chick

By geekboy

July 8, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

I have said it before and will say it again, trade him for young quality pitching.

I would target a NL West team that needs offense (they all do!). Whoever gets Tex would likely win that weak division.

Arizona might part with Max Scherzer. San Fran might part with Sanchez. Both are flamethrowers.

I would also try to pick up Eric Bedard from the Mariners. Their team is so hopeless (and has so many holes to fill) that another trade could help them and the Braves.

A 2009 rotation of Bedard, Jurjens, Reyes, Scherzer/Sanchez, Morton/Campillo is not too shabby! And who knows, Chuck James may turn it around too.

By sportsnut4

July 8, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

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By dan

July 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

I would target a NL West team that needs offense (they all do!). Whoever gets Tex would likely win that weak division.

Arizona might part with Max Scherzer. San Fran might part with Sanchez. Both are flamethrowers.

(possible trade but one of their best players all ready plays first base for them)

I would also try to pick up Eric Bedard from the Mariners. Their team is so hopeless (and has so many holes to fill) that another trade could help them and the Braves.

(The Mariners team is lost its not like a few weeks of Tex is going to turn their team into a playoff team)

A 2009 rotation of Bedard, Jurjens, Reyes, Scherzer/Sanchez, Morton/Campillo is not too shabby! And who knows, Chuck James may turn it around too.

I think the most logical place to deal Tex would be the yankees and hope to get one of their quality arms. Also, we need to look on who we want to play first base in the future and I think that needs to be addressed.

By sportsnut4

July 8, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

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By Kirby

July 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

If you have not noticed geekboy, the Braves need offense. It is not there pitching that is the problem. We already have young pitching and thats just about all we drafted. Why would you want Bedard, he has done nothing in Seattle. How bout we keep the rotation we have (Hudson, Jurrjens, Reyes, Campillo and Morton) and get a few other quality bats whether they be from the minors or a solidified major leaguer. To be honest I am not quite sure what we can do about making a playoff run this year. On paper our offense looks pretty good, but they cannot get timely hitting for nothing. Our farm system is pretty darn good. There are about 3 or 4 players who are just one or two years away from being great. I just say trade Teixiera for prospects, it’s better than getting nothing at the end of the season.

By Jeremy

July 8, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

I wouldn’t trade him unless 1) we’re completely out of it, 2) we’ve exhausted all means of a long-term contract w/ Tex, or 3) the offer is too good to pass up.

Tex’s bat will be extremely tough to replace. He’s one that doesn’t come around very often, in my opnion.

He’s a player the Braves should keep and build around.

By gayle

July 8, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

The important thing is that he must be traded. Over the past many years, the only acquisition that was signed long term was Tim Hudson. All of the other “rent-a-players” and Andruw have been let go without much, if any effort.

While it is hard to overstate Tex’s value to this team, it’s important to remember that this is a team for sale and they will never ever throw away the bottom line to sign Tex for many years at $20 mil/year.

Before he was traded away from Texas, Tex turned down a 7-year, $140 million deal.

The Braves will never commit to that kind of money.

And all of those here who believe that going to GT might sway him to take less? With all that money, he can fly his Gulfstream back to ATL at any time and satisfy all those homesick feelings.

Look at this team as it is now, see who is the most likely to retire/underproduce and gear towards those positions. There are too many holes to fill to even think of a one for one trade. Look at what Cleveland did, they struck gold selling Sabbathia. Why can’t the Braves do the same with Tex?

By Jesse DeLorenzo

July 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

How about we trade Texiera for a new batting coach? Just Kidding, but i think this is at the root of most of their hitting problems. Their batters have talent but it is going to waste.

I agree that the Braves should do everything to keep Tex. Chipper isnt getting any younger, but Tex is still young …and a proven commodity. Not to mention one of the best fielding 1st basemen (if not the best) in the league.

By KyleH

July 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

The Braves CAN definatly sign Teixiera after this season. Mike Hampton (15M), Tom Glavine (8M), and maybe even John Smoltz (i hope not..)(14M) will clear off the books. Thats 38M!! and keep in mind were also paying Tex 12.5M so add that in and….50.5M free cash if all of these guys leave. This just cant happen. There is no way the braves sign 50.5M of free agents. I think the Braves are afraid to pay him too much(its kinda ridicules when he makes more than Chipper), but its what they have to do. Sign Tex for 22-25M a year for maybe 5-7 yrs and forward most of the money to the first 3 years while the young pitchers are still arbitration eligible. So if theyu make the deal and with the money forwarded, Tex may make 30M next year. and that wouls leave the braves with about 10-20M still in money to sign…idk maybe hardin or sheets. Or to bring back Smoltz. To Frank Wren -Just please if you dont trade Tex be sure that you can do anything to sign him.

By Maniac is accurate

July 8, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

I hear the Braves are gonna swap Tex to the Dodgers for Billingsley, Lowe … and … get this … Andruw. You read it here first.

By Milton Jeff

July 8, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

I knew last night was going to be bad after 6 innings of no hits. ONCE AGAIN..the offense looked pathetic. Pitching was great..its too bad it was wasted. Tex may have saved grace Sun/Mon..doesn’t matter. You want to get paid $20 million a year..than freakin play like it. Trade him for offense and young arms.

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

The Red Sox are “closely monitoring” Tex, so I wouldn’t mind getting one or two of their young pitchers, but offense is really the Braves’ need right now. Francoeur is back, but he’s still going to be, well, himself - a mistake hitter with an awful OBP who swings at everything. He’s not a reliable answer.

Perhaps Casey Kotchman of the Angels is a better fit. He plays first, hits around .300, and is still developing, although he may not become a legit power threat, more of a line drive Mark Grace-type hitter. I know asking for Chone Figgins in that same deal would be asking too much, but he’d be nice to have.

By Eric

July 8, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

Remember that if Tex walks at the end of the year, the Braves would get 2 1st round draft picks as compensation. So whatever we would get in a trade would need to be better than that.

By mjankolovits

July 8, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Trade him to the Bronx for Phil Hughes & their 3B prospect Eric Duncan. Let the Yankees deal with Boras — they had some success in the A-Rod fiasco last offseason. And Duncan could be an upgrade over Gotay in case Chipper misses time in the next season or so.

By Dan

July 8, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

KyleH,

I don’t think your math is correct. I don’t think the Braves are paying either Hampton or Tex their full salaries. Just because a player who’s been traded is earning that much doesn’t mean that their current team is paying it. I know that the Rockies were covering a huge chunk of Hampton’s contract. It’s what made him such a good deal for the Braves (despite how it worked out in the long run.)

By Rich

July 8, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Mets go after him. They need an option who isn’t named Carlos Delgado.

By KyleH

July 8, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Dan, Thanks for that. I was so focused on adding correctly that i forgot to mention that and im not exactly sure how much the rockies cover. But the points still clear, with glavine and hampton clearing added to Texs salary im sure we have enough. especially if smoltz doesnt return. But if Wren doesnt think so then then a trade could be ion order especially if the trade is more apealing than the two draft picks.

By Joshua G

July 8, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

I think the MArk Texas rumor is getting over rated. Texas is a good player but he is yet to prove he is great. I will want and see in the next two weeks weather the braves should deal texa. Hey the Dodgers,Rays,Cubs,Reds,Marlins,and the Brewers all have great prospests in which the Braves could get in return for him.

By Joshua G

July 8, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

I think the MArk Texas rumor is getting over rated. Texas is a good player but he is yet to prove he is great. I will want and see in the next two weeks weather the braves should deal texa. Hey the Dodgers,Rays,Cubs,Reds,Marlins,and the Brewers all have great prospests in which the Braves could get in return for him.

By Joshua G

July 8, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

I think the MArk Texas rumor is getting over rated. Texas is a good player but he is yet to prove he is great. I will want and see in the next two weeks weather the braves should deal texa. Hey the Dodgers,Rays,Cubs,Reds,Marlins,and the Brewers all have great prospests in which the Braves could get in return for him.

By #1 brave in va

July 8, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

First off id like to say tex is a heck of a baller and i hope he stays with the braves but if i was wren i would get tex to have a meeting and offer him a contract(texas offered a 8yr-140mil i think)i would shave off a yr and keep the same dollar amount give him a full no trade clause and if he turned it down i would trade him. he would become a allstar in boston with the small rightfield fence hed probably hit 50+ homers a year, heres a few trade proposals: boston get: tex,kotsay,prado braves get: ellsbury,lester,pedroia

boston get: tex,boyer braves get: moss,matherson,lester

rockies get: prado,lillbridge,bjones,morton,+2 others braves get:atkins,holliday

A’s get: morton,james,bjones,plus 1 more braves get:harden before people grill me about the first trade proposal maybe ellisbury and pedoria are off limits but i would tell boston that the yanks have a similar deal in place and maybe they would think about it? Heck even have a deal in the works with the rays and tex boston would have to get tex because there would be no way the soxs could get the rays with tex. how would this lineup look: 1.cf ellisbury 2.2b pedroia 3.1b c jones 4.c mccann 5.lf holliday 6.rf francour 7.ss escobar 8.3b k johnson 9. pitcher id would move kj to 3rd move chip to 1st or leave jones at 3rd and move kj to 1st depending on how kj would perform at each postion pitching rotation 1.hudson 2.j jurens 3.campillio 4.lester 5.jojo

By gp

July 8, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

The Braves are 6 games under .500 with 3 teams ahead of them. They are sinking in the standings – not getting better. They cannot beat the 1st place team in the division to save their lives. The talk of turning the season around and not giving up yet is a joke. The were just 1 hit by a rookie for god’s sake. They gave up a long time ago.

Even if Liberty was inclined to sign Tex (which they will not be), he isn’t worth the ransom that he and Boras want. Trade him now for whatever you can get. Folks, this isn’t even a remotely difficult decision.

By KyleH

July 8, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Dan, Thanks for that. I was so focused on adding correctly that i forgot to mention that and im not exactly sure how much the rockies cover. But the points still clear, with glavine and hampton clearing added to Texs salary im sure we have enough. especially if smoltz doesnt return. But if Wren doesnt think so then then a trade could be ion order especially if the trade is more apealing than the two draft picks.

By KyleH

July 8, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Dan, I just checked and as it turns out the rockies stopped covering a portion of Hamptons contract in 2005 and wont do so again until next years buyout. so we actuially are paying 15M for him this season.

By BravesFan

July 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

I think Jessie is right on. I like TP, but I think it is time to find another hitting coach. The Braves issues are injuries and lack of timely offense. We don’t need anymore starting pitching. We have some good young arms in Atlanta and Richmond. I am fine with trading Tex if we know we can’t or don’t want to resign him. We will have a lot of money next year, but I don’t think we throw it all at Tex. Offer him 14-17 million for 5-7 years. We will need some of the 50 mil+ freed up after this year to resign the young picthers when they are ready for their big contracts. The Braves are also going to have to give bigger contracts to Kelly and Frenchy in the near future, not to mention Escobar. Chipper ain’t no spring chicken either, so finding a replacement for him will cost some $$$. There really is no “replacement” for Chipper, just someone else to play 3rd.

I wonder if it isn’t time for Bobby to go. I love our manager, he has done more for the Braves than almost anyone, but I think it may be time for a change, just to get a different approach to the game, etc.

By Nate33

July 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

“The Farm System looks good” Was that meant to be a joke? The Braves need some bats and the only thing Texiera is going to bring is some young players with high hopes. He should fetch some pretty good prospects but none to help make any kind of run this year. Farm System loaded come on give me a break.

By gayle

July 8, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Kyle H - if your math is correct (and I have no reason to think it isn’t), you are making a very large assumption that whatever monies are saved in the payroll from the places you mention will immediately be reinvested.

I fear that you are not correct.

Liberty Media bought the Braves two years ago in some big tax-swap deal. Part of the condition of the sale was that Liberty would hold onto the team for at least three years - that would be through next season. After that, they can divest the team - sell it.

Aside from a brief disaster owning the Colorado Avalanche, Liberty (John Malone) has no interest in owning a sports franchise - including the Braves. And who wants a Colorado company owning an Atlanta team anyway?

So while you might wish for any saved monies to be reinvested into the team, I would suspect that this team - and the payroll that goes with it - is being prepared and packaged for sale.

By Jesse DeLorenzo

July 8, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

brave in va, your lineup looks great, but boston and colorado would have to be smoking crack to make those trades.

By STRETCH

July 8, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Why is everyone calling this guy a rookie? He’s 33 years old! Whether its his first year in the league or not, he’s picthed professionally someplace other the MLB leagues.

But it still does not excuse the fact that Atlanta needs help on offense. The pitching has been pretty good.

By KyleH

July 8, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Gayle,

Im just really hoping im correct. I think Tex is the best 1B in the league and there are valuable pitchers that could be aquired. So this offseason could determine whether the braves are in the playoffs or setback the next few years. So in other words I am really hoping im correct.

By gayle

July 8, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

gp - I couldn’t agree more. Good post.

By KyleH

July 8, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Stetch, I couldnt agree more. Everytime I heard a 30 year old japanese player called a rookie, it really annoys me. about as much as when espn refers to the red soxs as “the nation”.

By gp

July 8, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

BTW re Hampton, The Braves have been rresponsible for his ridiculous salary for the past 3 years. In 2001 he signed an 8 year $121 million contract.

The Braves were on the hook for $48.5 for six years of Hampton, with the Marlins paying $23.5 million of his 2003-05 salaries and the Rockies contributing $6.5 million over the same period. Colorado also paid $6 million to buy out Hampton’s $20 million option for 2009.

Thank goodness insurance paid for most of this disaster.

By Dr. R

July 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Let me enlighten some of you on the duties of a major league hitting coach (my credentials include a stint as a MLB beat writer years ago). A hitting coach is more of a consultant; he offers advice and works with hitters, but it is up to the players to go to him for help and use what is taught. TP has no doubt given Francoeur and others plenty of sage advice, but they have to use it. Do you think he’s telling the guy to swing at sliders in the dirt? Did he tell Andruw to fall on his keister every time he swings? I think not. This ain’t football, bubbas; the players play the game and the coaches can’t fix every problem with a new blocking scheme. What you need aren’t new coaches but better players.

By Jesse DeLorenzo

July 8, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

I agree about Bobby Cox needing to go. I also have alot of respect for what he’s done, but the current younger group of guys needs someone who can light a fire under them. I think the fact that the players love him so much shows that they’re a little too comfortable. I’m not saying the braves need a raging lunatic, but someone who can do a little better at motivating and keeping the players focused.

By iknowmorethanu

July 8, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

Braves need offense. We have tons of young pitching talent and we drafted even more. If we trade texeira we should get a solid young outfielder maybe jay bruce? something like that.

By dugoutAK

July 8, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

From Arizona - C. Jackson/Scherzer for Tex

From NYY - Hughes/Duncan/Melky for Tex and a warm body

From BOS - Masterson/Lester for Tex

By Jesse DeLorenzo

July 8, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

I think when more then half the team has similar issues (with hitting), especially the younger guys, its pretty obvious that then whole approach has to change. The approach comes from the coach. Obviously the “consultant’s” message isnt getting through, so why even have him on the staff?

By Rufio

July 8, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

How about Tex to the Rays for Rocco Baldelli…

By Paddy

July 8, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

There should be $ around for next years free agents. If he wants to stay, sign Tex. Power hitters are very rare indeed.

By Jimmy Etheridge

July 8, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

How about Terence Moore for a couple of bats and a bag of balls?

By RAA

July 8, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Sorry but the money Tex will demand will cap strap this club for the next 5-7 years. The whole team’s hitting concept leads to prolong slumps and the outfield does not have one, solid major league hitter in the group. I would send Tex packing for some team’s top minor league outfield prospect being one of 3 (the others being pitchers) that I would want in return

By Rob

July 8, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

I say, trade Tex to the Mets for the entire METS team, that way, the Braves would be quarenteed to win some games.. HAHA!!!!

By 6-4-3

July 8, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

I like Baldelli but is he healthy? He’s got some strange disease that causes chronic fatigue I heard.

He’s got a lot of talent so he’s at least intriguing though.

By Vol4ever

July 8, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

The Braves have become a cheap organization and they will not keep Tex or contend until the team spends the money to win!

By Glen

July 8, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Tex turned down $20mil/year from Texas because he wants to sign with a team that’s going to win NOW! I don’t begrudge him that as he has earned that right.

I’d love to see the Braves find a way to sign him, but I just don’t see it happening even with salary freed up from Hampton, Glavine, & Smoltz.

As for the Braves rebounding in the second half, it’s important to remember how banged up they’ve been. If they could get some guys healthy, then I think they could make a run. A bit optimistic…maybe, but that’s why we’re fans!!

By JJM

July 8, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

The Dodgers are the best bet. Don’t expect much for Tex - a AA or AAA prospect at best. Tex was worth Salty last year because Tex had a year left on his contract - the Braves were not just renting him for a few months. They will not even get the equivalent of Salty in a trade for Tex now.

By Braves never win on the road

July 8, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

I’m so sick of the Braves i wouldn’t care if they traded the whole team .

By Kashi

July 8, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

I would NOT trade Tex. Chipper is hitting better due to the fact that another power bat switch hitter is behind him. Next year’s bats are uncertain except Brian McCan. Chipper is too good to be true but he might land on DL on and off. We do NOT have anyone in our line up to carry the load. Who do we count when Chipper on DL next year…on Frenchy? I would rather open up the contract nego. with Tex and take a chance in winter. Tex tried to create too many headlines for $$$ and didn’t focus on baseball this year. I am sure he gets lot of distraction from relatives as well, what if this-that happens, where and what would you choose constantly. I say keep Tex and start contract talk to take this bug of off his shoulder so he can focus on baseball. Braves should spend $$$ to stay compete with other teams in our division. We do NOT need any starting pitchers, bring back Mike Hampton with a great bargin price for next year. Go Braves!

By Thuy

July 8, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

If the rotation can somehow remain healthy in the second half then they still have a shot at this thing. No team in the NL East is running away with the division yet. They’ll beat up on each other before this season is over.

As for Tex, the chances that the Braves will resign him is very slim. They can’t afford to keep him. But without him hitting in the 4th spot, Chipper will not get a chance to chase .400

By gary

July 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

One of the (big) problems is Bobby Cox’s love of the 3-run homer and wanting to be loved. Let’s say TP was telling/advising the hitters like Andrew and Frenchy about hitting to all fields or just trying to make contact. If those hitters don’t listen, it’s time for action. Like setting them down for a few games or whatever it takes. But the Braves management and coaches don’t seem to want to take a firm stand with their players, they’d rather have a happy clubhouse and settle for playing .500 baseball.

By Branch Rickey

July 8, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

The Braves are no longer “players” in the July trade market to upgrade the team for a post-season run. This team has several issues, starting with a manager who doesn’t believe in playing fundamental baseball. Trams with half the talent seem to confuse him.

The pitching staff is young overall, and will only get better with time. Keep it intact.

I’d be looking for a young leftfielder and firstbaseman for next season. Would aldo like to see Jordan Schaeffer given the centerfield job immediately, tio see what he can do on the next level. He also adds speed, though the manager wouldn’t know what to do with it.

Tex ain’t staying. You’d better start making some calls.

By Branch Rickey

July 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

The Braves are no longer “players” in the July trade market to upgrade the team for a post-season run. This team has several issues, starting with a manager who doesn’t believe in playing fundamental baseball. Trams with half the talent seem to confuse him.

The pitching staff is young overall, and will only get better with time. Keep it intact.

I’d be looking for a young leftfielder and firstbaseman for next season. Would aldo like to see Jordan Schaeffer given the centerfield job immediately, tio see what he can do on the next level. He also adds speed, though the manager wouldn’t know what to do with it.

Tex ain’t staying. You’d better start making some calls.

By Branch Rickey

July 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

The Braves are no longer “players” in the July trade market to upgrade the team for a post-season run. This team has several issues, starting with a manager who doesn’t believe in playing fundamental baseball. Trams with half the talent seem to confuse him.

The pitching staff is young overall, and will only get better with time. Keep it intact.

I’d be looking for a young leftfielder and firstbaseman for next season. Would aldo like to see Jordan Schaeffer given the centerfield job immediately, to see what he can do on the next level. He also adds speed, though the manager wouldn’t know what to do with it.

Tex ain’t staying. You’d better start making some calls.

By Michael

July 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

While it’s fine to trade Tex (personally, I wouldn’t yet, because two first round picks isn’t all that bad), people who think we are going to get a top-10 prospect are crazy. Tex will be there for what, 3 months (4 max.)? Sure they then would get draft picks (assuming they offer arbitration), but getting 4 months and then draft picks is not enough to give up a top player (David Price of TB, Wieters BAL, Jay Bruce CIN, etc.). We’d be lucky to get a deal like the Indians got, and some people don’t consider that to be a great deal—at least not this early.

By Jon

July 8, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

If we need offense, why would be trade Tex.He’s basically the hottest Braves hitter right now. Yes he got off to a slow start, but now he’s starting to hit like the Tex we got about this time last year. Wish we could sign him long term. Anyone think we could get Sexson from Seattle?

By Chris

July 8, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

I’d like to sign Tex, but not for the salary he’ll demand.

You could trade to Boston, but I would want Lester, Pedroia and Youkilis. I don’t think Boston would do that.

You could trade him to Arizona, but I’d want Conor Jackson, and there aren’t many other players I’d want that they would probably give up.

LA would be intriguing, if you could get Loney, Broxton, and possibly a starter.

I don’t doubt Tex will command a pretty penny, especially for a team that is willing to sign him long-term - that means the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets are the teams that will pay the most.

By Dr. R

July 8, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

Motivation, shmotivation. You look like you’re not playing hard when you aren’t hitting. It ain’t like football where you can run around and slam into people to appear like you’re trying hard. And it ain’t the skipper; Bobby’s approach worked for years and will again with the right players. A happy clubhouse is important for the long haul of the season. What the Braves need are better players, and perhaps a few more that aren’t prone to injury throughout their careers. When you go after a Kotsay or a Soriano known for their brittle nature, you can’t be shocked when they go down. I would also like to see more emphasis on defense at a few positions, starting with second base. Every two-out error KJ makes or every DP he doesn’t turn makes your pitchers work harder. They’re still not that far from being a good team, but it won’t happen this year as long as the lineup is full of bench guys like Blanco and Norton. On that note, I would keep Tex and try to resign him; if he bolts, you get extra draft picks, which is just as good as loading up someone else’s prospects.

By Wayne-o

July 8, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

Matt Holiday (future corner stone, not Fancine), Kevin Youkalis or Xaiver Nady. They also need a solid & experienced starting pitcher. Hudson is not an Ace.

By b real

July 8, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

to give schafer a starting job immediatly is absolutly ridiculous. he cant even hit over .250 in mississippi.

By who cares

July 8, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Alot of wishful thinking on this blog. This is a pathetic team on the road, and now it is pathetic at home. Front office made a mistake in trading 4 or 5 young prospects for Tex last year, and they will make same mistake this year by hanging on to him. They will get 2 draft choices for him that want be as good as the 4 or 5 prospects they traded for him. Let’s see, Wren and your boss God, trade 5 prospects and get back 2. Great job. Would hate to be the new ownership, and put all my money and trust in Wren, Cox, and Pendleton. Wren has proven nothing,Cox is the worst manager in baseball when he has equal or less talent than the club he is playing. This team is the worst fundamentally sound team in the N.L. And the way he mismanages his pitching staff is a joke. How many times do we have to watch Boyer and Acosta(Thank God he is on D.L. now) blow leads and walk the first batter they face. And that leaves us with the worst hitting coach in baseball. Noneof the young hitters progress with this guy. Look at Frenchy, Andrew, Salty, before he was traded. This guy is a joke, even Chipper goes to his dad for advice, not lardass TP. Too bad the braves and Cox have hand picked this loser to replace Cox. Get use to below .500 baseball for many years to come. The run of 14 titles is over, and it will stay over until ownership gets rid of the 3 stooges.

By who cares

July 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Alot of wishful thinking on this blog. This is a pathetic team on the road, and now it is pathetic at home. Front office made a mistake in trading 4 or 5 young prospects for Tex last year, and they will make same mistake this year by hanging on to him. They will get 2 draft choices for him that want be as good as the 4 or 5 prospects they traded for him. Let’s see, Wren and your boss God, trade 5 prospects and get back 2. Great job. Would hate to be the new ownership, and put all my money and trust in Wren, Cox, and Pendleton. Wren has proven nothing,Cox is the worst manager in baseball when he has equal or less talent than the club he is playing. This team is the worst fundamentally sound team in the N.L. And the way he mismanages his pitching staff is a joke. How many times do we have to watch Boyer and Acosta(Thank God he is on D.L. now) blow leads and walk the first batter they face. And that leaves us with the worst hitting coach in baseball. Noneof the young hitters progress with this guy. Look at Frenchy, Andrew, Salty, before he was traded. This guy is a joke, even Chipper goes to his dad for advice, not lardass TP. Too bad the braves and Cox have hand picked this loser to replace Cox. Get use to below .500 baseball for many years to come. The run of 14 titles is over, and it will stay over until ownership gets rid of the 3 stooges.

By JCdawg

July 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

By Kashi July 8, 2008 1:01 PM

We do NOT need any starting pitchers, bring back Mike Hampton with a great bargin price for next year. Go Braves!

…said Kashi as he strolled to his fireplace to add some $100 bills to the fire.

By DHD

July 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

Trade him to Boston for Lester and Crisp. Not excited about Crisp, but you would have to take some salary probably and we do need an outfielder especially if we stick Kotsay at first for the rest of the year. We might even get Casey for a fill in. The main thing is to get something for him. We gave good minor leaguers for Tex and we need to get something in return.

By Monty Hall

July 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Forget getting a player on a major league roster for Tex. Think John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander - that is the type of deal the Braves can get. Maybe it works out as great for the Braves as that deal did. Maybe the “prospect” or two they get never make it out of the minors. Regardless, the Braves will not get a current major league player. A team in contention does not give up a key player to get a player at the trade deadline - a player they are renting for a few months. A team that is not in contention does not want Tex.

The Braves should trade Tex only if they are throwing in the towel. Otherwise, they need his bat to catch the Phils (and Fish and Muts).

By Robert

July 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

geekboy, are you seriously suggesting that the Braves need to trade for young pitching, not to win this year, but to start next year? Based on what you just said Hudson is done, Smoltz is trying to come back for nothing, And you’ve dismissed Hampton when he is busting his a* for this team to get back. Surely you don’t believe that it would be better to trade away our one solid offensive weapon for a pitcher that doesn’t stack up against what the team already has both in the majors and at Richmond.

By coach k

July 8, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

YOU WANT TO TRADE SOMEONE TRADE PENDLETON THIS OFFENSE HAS BE PATHETIC SINCE HE HAS BEEN HERE AND KEEP TEX THE MONEY IS THERE AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PAY AFTER THE SEASON CUT THE DEADWOOD, HAMPTON, GLAVIN, AND CORKY

By Bobbymahlon

July 8, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Do not trade him for Crisp because he is no better than Blanco or Anderson. I do believe we could get Ellsbury for him, he can run,field and hit and also he is young. I do believe that Diaz could take over first if needed. I would like to see Chipper move over to first as it would help extend his career.

By Bama

July 8, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

You get extra draft picks, which is just as good as loading up someone else’s prospects. Dr.R

*Thats just like money..same as cash * where’s Berra?

Cox needs to go…time for new blood. Thanks for past but its time to move on.

Mets put Willie on road and Jerry Manuel has them going, getting hot 2 1/2 behind Phil.

Tex- Love him but Braves already know where they can or can’t sign him. Its just a matter of time. Hope they don’t do him like A. Jones and get nothing but picks.

By Trader Joe's

July 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

First off, the Red Sox have the starting AL first baseman for the All Star game. They are not in the market for a first baseman. Even if they where, they would not trade a starting P or Ellsbury or Pedroia to rent a player for a few months. Maybe (a big maybe) they trade Crisp - but again, the Red Sox do not need Tex.

By #1 brave in va

July 8, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

the braves need to try and keep tex and try to trade for holliday and bay. move one to right one stays in left move francour to center. both are under contract until the end of next season. if the get holliday then they go to the playoffs this year and next with chipper in front and holliday behind then tex would probably resign with the braves. Not only would they get the power outfielder but they also resign tex. If they could only afford one i would do holliday hes the missing link this team needs. they have a bunch of trade pieces diaz,francour,morton for holliday call up bjones for rf or use him in a trade to pull in bay. james,bjones,lillbridge for bay new lineup would be 1. cf blanco(could also be trade matieral he probably never gets much better than he is now)or kotsay

1. ss escobar
2. 3b cjones
3. 1b tex
4. lf holliday
5. rf bay
6. c mccann
7. 2b kjohnson
8. pitcher if they cant get both and just get holliday lineup could be
9. cf blanco or kotsay
10. ss escobar
11. 3b cjones
12. 1b tex
13. lf holliday
14. c mccann
15. 2b kjohnson
16. rf bjones or blaco 9.pitcher

By Go Dawgs!!!!!

July 8, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

I saw we trade Tex and Chipper for Caleb King and Matthew Stafford.

How bout them dawgs. Ruff.

By repo man

July 8, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Who Cares I do! But you are right and I’ve almost got to that point. 3 Stooges need to go.

By Booby Cox

July 8, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Gee, Skip. The guys have really been hitting the ball hard in batting practice. Especially The Kid - Corky Miller. Terry’s been working with him and I think we can expect some pleasant results any day now.

Yeah, we had to put Manny Acosta on the DL. He was throwing so well. But the good news is, Frank Wren has been talking with Mike Remlinger and Chris Reitsma. Those guys are thinking about a comeback. Wouldn’t that be great !

Duh.

By gayle

July 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Jon - Sexon from Seattle? The Mariners will send Sexon to Atlanta on a private charter and would only look for a bowl of grits in return. He has been dreadful there. Imagine all of Howard’s K’s without the RBI’s and HRs.

Maybe we could send the Mariners’ Cox and TP for some salmon? Doubt it - salmon is pretty pricey this year.

Kashi - Hampton next year? Hampton? Would you please share whatever it is you have been drinking with the rest of us on this blog? Someone should look back over his tenure with the Braves and see how many innings he has pitched for all that money - granted, some of it reimbursed through insurance - I’ll bet we’re talking well over $1 million/inning pitched.

Boston seems to be a good target for Tex, depending on how well Ortiz comes back. They’ve got money, players and a short porch in right field.

They are not going to give up Lester AND Youklis AND Crisp - but I’m guessing one of those mixed with some solid prospects seems reasonable - especially if the Red Sox are battling for a spot in the post season.

By Bud Selig

July 8, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

I don’t expect the Braves to move Tex, unless things go south in a hurry. The NL East is still up for grabs and they need him to compete. The Braves are used to buying at the trade deadline, not selling, and I don’t see a change in attitude unless they sink more than 10 games back before 7/31.

If the Braves do trade Tex, expect a deal similar to (but not as good as) the deal for Sabathia. Sabathia commanded more from the Brewers because 1) he is a #1 starter - a very rare commodity, 2) the Brewers are loaded with young talent and did not have room for the prospects they had in the minors on their ML club, and 3) the trade was before teh all-star break - the later the trade, the less value the player has. Indeed, I do not expect the Braves to even get back what they paid the Rangers for Tex.

By #1 brave in va

July 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

wren go get holliday!!!!!!!!!!!! give up schaffer plus a pitcher and fill the teams only big need. i would give up anything but gorky in our system. whatever colorado was looking for i would probably do it. with chip tex holliday and mccann we would have a very strong 3-6 in our lineup add in escobar and kj and were golden!

By Ron

July 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Tex batting fourth instead of Andruw is why Chipper is having his monster season. He may be putting up disappointing numbers, but Tex makes the Braves stronger by making opposing teams pitch to Chipper. If we trade Tex, watch Chipper’s numbers go down. I’m just sayin’.

By Google: roadtothebigs

July 8, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

It is not likely that a team can trade (or buy) its way to a penant. Everybody needs more pitching. To think you can trade a position player for a proven pitcher and come out ahead is foolish. It is not likely to happen. You always have to give up more than you get when you are desperate. If the Braves want to win games, the current, non-injured players need to play better and any gaps on the roster need to be filled by whichever minor leaguers are available. Look at it another way. If the players needed to win a penant were identifiable and available, the Yankees or Mets would be buying them. There seems to be several people out there who have not yet read The Road to the Bigs.

By alex

July 8, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

This is a tough one b/c we’re not out of this. HOWEVER. the way this team is playing, they’re giving us no indication that they’re capable of making the run needed to make the post season.

My gut tells me to keep Tex and go for it, he is a second half monster after all.

By BostonFan

July 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

I’m from Boston and I mean this with no disrespect to atlantians or Tex, but why would the Sox give up their young starting 2nd baseman, youg left handed starting pitcher, or Youk for a rental. They’re scouting them if Ortiz can’t come back, he took BP yesterday and they said he was doing well so it’s on track so far. I could see Crisp and say Jed Lowrie or a young pitcher(masterson). They’re not going to give up players ready for the majors to get two draft picks pack that they would have to develop in there system

By athdog

July 8, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

no, pitching, starting pitching is okay, we just can’t get hits when we need them. is it pendleton’s fault, or do we just have a bunch of unintelligent hitters (other than chip, mac and yunel)?

By BravesFan79

July 8, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

KyleH July 8, 2008 11:33 AM |

I agree with everyone you said man. We need to keep Tex at least a few more years. Im not giving up on the Braves winning a championship as long as i can dream of Smoltz being on the mound in the 9th to close things out.
BTW…. I hope Smoltz does the Clemens approach next year…this team could make a SCARRY run in the 2nd half of next season with a FRESH Smoltz as Closer!

Im not ready to give up or sell the team off yet. As long as Chipper and Smoltz are around….the ownership should greatly add to the payroll and make a run for next year!!
Resign Tex, Add ANOTHER front line starter to go with Hudson and JJ, and get someone like Adam Dunn.

I say resign Tex, then trade him after next season and ley Heyward take his place!

By Navigator

July 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

I have no trade rumors, but just a comment about Tex. No matter how much we like him, or think he may be in the future, the Braves are in blow up process of their team. Get more talent now in hopes of becoming the the 1990’s Braves again. The team built the back bone of the team on youth, and are in the process of doing that again. Bare with the team for a couple of years, and the future will be bright. They have to run the team like the Rays, because they don’t have the money to run their team like the Red Sox. Notice: I didn’t use the Yankees in the comparison. They no longer know how to built a good team, no matter how much they spend.

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July 8, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Check this out Braves fans

By Cap4168

July 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

UNREAL the trades people keep talking about are insane. You want the Red Sox to trade our starting center fielder ,2nd baseman and a future star or 2 all-stars and a pitcher for WHAT A guy hitting 276 with 16 HRs. And where would he play ? at 1st we have an all-star hitting machine, at DH we have an all-star monster clutch hitter. He is good but we dont need him for the money he would want.

By New blog

July 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Oops, meant this

By ugaman

July 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

I say trade Tex to Boston for Casey(batting over .350 part time), Lester, and a minor league outfield & 1B power bat. Yes, we lose power, but Casey is a contact hitter and will force Cox to employ a more hit and run game since we couldn’t rely on the home run. The announcers made the statement last night that the Dodgers started playing better when Torre started changing the batting order and playing more small ball. Ther players like this kind of baseball because it keeps the players in the game and takes the pressure off of trying to get the big home run. Our players play better that way as well. Why doesn’t Bobby use this philosophy more?

By Theo

July 8, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Rumor is that the Red Sox have an interest in Tex. I’m sure this interest is because of the uncertainty surrounding Ortiz - the Sox should know more pretty soon. The Red Sox would be renting Tex for the next few months if Ortiz cannot go. Still, the Red Sox do not give up any of their major league starters for Tex - that is not how it is done. The Braves get 2-3 prospects, maybe one with some ML experience (e.g., Masterson).

By JoeDon

July 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

“Sign Tex to a 22-25M per year deal..” WHY? So he can hit .280 with 30 HR and 115 RBI? Those are not A-Rod numbers dummy, and they certainly don’t make you worth over $20mil a year.

Interesting that I saw Adam LaRoche approach those totals his last year as a Brave. 20+ mill is astronomical money that only goes to a true superstar. Tex is a middle-of-the-pack power hitter. Look at his career numbers.

I would like to keep him, but we won’t give Boras the satisfaction of paying 20mil for him

By Big Brad CH 99

July 8, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Tex will end up going to NY one way or the other, b/c the Evil Empire, or the Mets will be the only 2 teams that will pay him the $ he wants (probably 25-30 M/yr). Normally the Bo Sox would be in that discussion, but they already have a good 1B in Youk, the only thing that Tex has a little more of than Youk is power. (Youk’s probably 20-25 HR/Yr, Tex could be 30-40), but the big kicker is that they get a player that’s almost as good as Tex for a LOT cheaper price.

I say trade Tex to get some young talent, a couple of young arms, a power hittin’ OF, of a good young 3B, 2B, or 1B. If U can’t get a good 1B to replace Tex, what about moving Chipper acros the Diamond, they talked about that a few Yrs ago. He is doing a great job defensively at 3rd, but playhing 1st might help him stay healthier. At 1B the promiary job is to catch throws, U don’t have to do as much diving for balls, and it could be easier on Chipper’s knees.

The braves could also use a good Leadoff hitter w/ speed, but Blanco is doing a pretty good job of leading off for now.

By Ted Williams

July 8, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Why would the BoSox want Teixeira?

Big Papi is coming back.

Trade Lester and other young players for a sorry clutch hitter?

It aint happening !

By Bill, Lakeland, Fl.

July 8, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Tex will not be a Brave next year. They will not pay the money he will demand. Trade him now for some high quality prospects whether it be pitchers or position players. It is time to start looking to the future to rebuild the Braves. It looks as if they are out of the running for this year and need to get reserves that can hit a ball. I think we have depended on the past long enough and it shows, as we still think Smoltz and Glavin can do the job. Evidently they can’t. Also Hampton has been a pain in the b* for three years and we are dreaming if we think he will come through now. He will be back on the DL within 3 weeks after he comes back.

By 82DAWG

July 8, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Um, the Red Sox are not going to trade Lester for ANYONE. When you trade someone for prospects, that what you get - prospects. Minor league players with high expectations. Guys like Billingsly, Scherzer, Lester are simply not available.

The 1990’s Braves were built on pitching and defense up the middle. Its time to start over again. Liberty will not spend any money and the team is likely going to be up for sale again after next year. The present is a shambles. Build for the future by trading Tex for key prospects. The sooner he is traded, the better the prospects we will receive. Get free agents to fill key holes after the bulk of the team is built. These patchwork teams we are seeing now are not the answer.

By Bohgey

July 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

I always thought that Salty had a future with the Braves, and it was a bittersweet trade to get Tex, but where should he go? I would take a Casey for Tex straight up deal. Casey was a very pesky hitter for Cincy while he was there, he didn’t fill the void for the Tigers or my beloved Red Sox. Maybe test the draftees from this year. Could Cincy give up Yonder Alonso? I would like to go for Justin Smoak from South Carolina to man 1st base, but apparently the Rangers thought of that. They had a little cap room from somewhere?! Test the waters with the White Sox for a Gordon Beckham for Tex straight up. That would move Chipper to 1st, Beckham to 3rd and Escobar would stay at SS. I would even take a Mariner Josh Fields for Tex straight up. I just don’t see us getting more than one or two high dollar prospects for what Tex is. He will produce, but I think Wren could build up the farm system while platooning the regulars.

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

Just read that the Angels don’t look to be making any trade deadline deals, so the Red Sox seem to be the next best destination. I agree that Jon Lester would have to be the centerpiece of any deal, but the Braves would have to get a solid bat or two as well. Yes, get Sean Casey (who would be a throw in, but could cover first base), but also some young guys who can produce. I see no point in getting Coco Crisp - he’s no better than what we have.

Ellsbury would be a possibility as a third player in a potential Tex-to-Boston deal, but I’m not sure the Red Sox would be willing to part with him so quickly.

Another interesting possibility here - Let’s say the Braves do trade Tex to Boston and get at least Lester and Sean Casey.

They could then turn around and try to get Adam Dunn from Cincinnati. Sure, he’s batting .222, but he’s got 22 homers and his OBP is around .400, and he would certainly take up a great deal of slack from Tex’s departure. I don’t think the Braves would have to give up the farm to get him either, since no one’s really pursuing him right now.

This is all hypothetical and in fun (and wishful thinking) but subtracting Tex and adding a big power bat in Dunn and a solid hitting first baseman in Casey cold actually (gasp!!!) improve the Braves offense. Having Lester solidifies the rotation immensely.

And all the Braves would have to give up other than Tex might be two or three prospects, two of whom might be Lillibridge, Brandon Jones, Gorkys Hernandez, or maybe Schafer. Sound too far fetched??

By Alex

July 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Mark Teixeira for… drum roll please some bullpen help!! what would the braves record be if we had a better-than-average 1-2 punch. not under .500

By Dr. R

July 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Nearly all of the trade offers I’ve ready in today’s blog would be greeted with sputtering laughter on the other end of the phone. Y’all need to understand that teams in contention don’t trade key players for another key player: That’s pointless. You trade minor leaguers. Hence, Boston isn’t parting with Lester, Youkilis or anyone else that’s already a key part of their club. Get real.

By 82DAWG

July 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

What part of the Red Sox are not going to trade Lester for ANYONE does everyone not understand? He is their #2 starter for crying out loud. No one in the middle of a penant race trades a young stud starter for a rental player to play a position that does not need filling! Think before you write, good gosh!

By Pete H.

July 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Whatever trade we make, if we do, we have to get a real power bat back. Our hitting is anemic enough as it is.

If there’s nothing out there attractive, just take the draft picks.

Most of the proposed trades here are ridiculous. Matt Holliday for a few months of Tex to a team that is worse off than we are? HUH?

Two Boston for two of their best young players AND Youkelis? HUH?

The only way we get anything for him is if he goes to a contender with a weakness at 1B. The Yanks don’t have much that’s attractive (Hughes? Gimme a break), the Mutts the same. So it really comes down to the Dodgers, Red Sox and perhaps the White Sox (Konerko is injured and might not be back as a regular).

Frankly, I think we’re just going to take the draft picks and try to get healthy and win the division. It just ain’t worth trading him AND the two draft picks for a couple of so-so prospects.

By TheCutMan

July 8, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

As to trading the Teix: It all depends on one’s BELIEF quotient, does it not?

If you (Or the front office) believes that with the addition of Glavine, Soriano and, and, and, Hampton will allow for a late season run, you might be in a HOLD mode.

If, on the other hand, you believe the Braves are on fumes, deader than a ‘55 Ford on blocks, then it’s GWYC mode (Get What You Can).

By Dinman31

July 8, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

If we trade Tex:

To Boston for Michael Bowden and Sean casey To New York for Brett Gardner and pitching prospect To Dodgers for Kemp and a “B” prospect

I say we try to resign him and if we fail we take our two draft picks and work the free agent market with a lot of available money in the offseason.

By lewie

July 8, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

trade Tex to LA for Looney+

trade for a RF, right handed power bat (Bay if possible)

get some help in the OF…that’s been our offenses weakness this year. the production out of CF, RF, and LF is flatout worthless compared to other teams

By R. E. H.

July 8, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

For Boras apparently not even willing to exchange any ideas about his cash cow would seem to tell me he’s not going to be reasonable and there are teams out there or owners who continue to distort the pay scale so that only a few can really compete. Of course the players union isn’t going to go along with a salary cap but baseball wiil eventually price it’s self out of the common man from giving a care. How many ball players can make miilions in the private sector, no many I’d bet, wise up before it’s too late.

By TIM SCOTT

July 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT WE CANNOT RESIGN THE GUY. TRADE HIM FOR 1 EFFECTIVE YOUNG STARTER AND PROSPECTS AND BEGIN BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE. IF EVERYONE WILL BE PATIENT THESE YOUNG GUNS WILL HAVE WILL BE THE NEXT SMOLTZ,GLAVINE AND MADDUX. MOVE EITHER CHIPPER OR KELLY TO FIRST WE HAVE THE TALENT ITS JUST VERY YOUNG AND THEY ARE LEARNING ON THE JOB.

By TIM SCOTT

July 8, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT WE CANNOT RESIGN THE GUY. TRADE HIM FOR 1 EFFECTIVE YOUNG STARTER AND PROSPECTS AND BEGIN BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE. IF EVERYONE WILL BE PATIENT THESE YOUNG GUNS WILL HAVE WILL BE THE NEXT SMOLTZ,GLAVINE AND MADDUX. MOVE EITHER CHIPPER OR KELLY TO FIRST WE HAVE THE TALENT ITS JUST VERY YOUNG AND THEY ARE LEARNING ON THE JOB.

By mark

July 8, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

The Braves are only six games out!!!!!!! The Phillies were 6-7 games out with a few weeks left last year. I would hate for the Braves to trade tex but if there only 5-6 games out then we need to go for it, if we were 7- or worse game’s back we got to trade him. Boston Dosen’t have enough to trade for him, The braves would won’t more than elsbury and bucholtz. The braves will need a trade like the one they gave to texas. The braves gave up andrews you is compared to jose reyes with way better fielding ability.

This is a crazy proposel but Braves get: Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, Tim Beckham.

Rays Get: Tex, mark kotsay, jordan shafher

By lewie

July 8, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

some of these trade ideas are past stupid

i mean it, some of y’all are helmet wearing retards going by your trade propsals

By Jack

July 8, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Keep him and give him five years at 85 mil per year (425 mil plus 200 mil bonus or 625 mil total and not a penny over) because the Braves are going to the Little League World Series.

By JudiasIscariat

July 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Dont feel sorry for the Tex and the rumors surrounding him. Every great player the Braves have ever had with the exception of Chipper Jones and John Smoltz have been traded away just when they started being productive or were doing a fantastic job for the Braves. I can recall at least 15 Braves players who were wonderful when they were here, but then SOMEHOW, they got dispatched elsewhere. Dave Justice, Jermaine Dye, Greg Maddox, Tom Glavine, Fred McGriff (Crime Dog), Gary Sheffield, Andres Gallarraga, J.D. Drew (an all-star reserve this year); Wilson Bettement; Andruw Jones, Edgar Renteria, Rafael Furcal, Brook Jacoby, Mark DeRosa, Brett Butler, and now Texiera. Nobody is really safe anymore and I can tell you these were all great players or were on the verge of becoming great. Baseball is a tough business and you never know what uniform youll end up wearing.

By Tomy Fournier

July 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Tex….for PRESIDENT

By ADL

July 8, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

I hear that Mike Hampton guy is available…

By kevin

July 8, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

I think two things; 1. If you think that the braves have a chance in catching up then you are clearly dislusioned 2. The braves are really bad and need to rebuild.

Tell me how in the name of Satan himself that the Marlins have won two world series in like 14 years and keep on rebuilding year after year. While we wish upon the glory years which really wasnt that great considering 1 world series title and year after year of choking.

And this tidbit to the guy saying hampton is busting his tail to get back to the braves…ur an idiot. So what!! He hasnt pitched in like 4 years. Hampton is probably a good guy but the bottom line is he hasnt done crap except steal money…

so trade tex or lose’em to free agency…we need to get younger and get better

By AlphaBrav

July 8, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

A friend of mine in Boston indicates the word on the street up there is Tex to the Red Sox for Lester and Youkilis. Youk is exactly enamored in the Beantown clubhouse these days.

By lewie

July 8, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

alpha

how you figure yook isn’t beloved? the manny thing?

By Erik

July 8, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

OK first off the braves structured the Hampton deal where they paid around 8 million a year and the rockies are on the hook for the inevitableb buyout next year. So next year the braves will free up 8 mil on hampton and 8 on glavine. That is 16 off the books for sure. Smoltz is done as a starter for sure and if he were to come back as a closer it would be for around 7 a year… that clears another 7(down from 14 this year). The braves dont have to sign a free agent pitcher although I am not sold on Hudson being the staff ace by himself. The biggest concren is a consistent power hitter. Tex fits that bill but he is going to want 7-10 years which we cant do. We have the money to sign him(although it might mess with clubhouse politics)but its the years he will ask for that will kill the deal. Right now we have Gorkys, Schafer, Heywood, B Jones, and Blanco all fighting for 2 outfield spots. I think we have to convert Heywood to First and let him takeover in a couple years. Signing tex to 7-10 years would create a major log jam and force the braves to trade a valued and cheap prospect. I know this is going to sound crazy but either trade Tex if we are out of the race or let him walk and take the picks. Then in the off season sign Giambi. He will be cheaper than Tex by a few million and will settle for 2 maybe 3 years. Giambi can fill the power void Tex will leave and protect chipper.

As far as trade suggestions

How about Tex for a package around Wade Davis of the Tampa Bay Rays

They have a real chance to make the post season and a power hitter like Tex could legitimzie their team as a contender. With theri rotation they dont need much.

By Biff Pocoroba

July 8, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

JULIAN TAVAREZ ?

THE BRAVES ARE NO LONGER A CLASS ORGANIZATION. WE ARE SELLING; NOT BUYING.

TRADE TEX AND GET A TOP LEFTFIELD OR PITCHING PROSPECT, AND HOPE FOR NEXT SEASON!

IF PHILS & METS WERE HALFWAY GOOD WE’D BE 15 GAMES OUT RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT A POST-SEASON TEAM, I’M SORRY TO SAY.

THWE MANAGER IS CLUELESS & TERRY PENDELETON IS LUCKY TO BE DRAWING A SALARY.

By D'Andre Williams

July 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

www.forum.braveselite.com

Trade him

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By roman 88

July 8, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

tex wont be resigned, try and get a top catching prospect, to back mac. then drop dorky. canizares looks good in richmond hitting around .300 in 89 games, theres 1st base, if wren is like scheurholtz it’ll be a deal in the last 15 minutes of the deadline, maybe someone will reach at the last minute and give something decent. gotta rebuild now, theres no heart on this team, i miss ted owning this team

By topher 24

July 8, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Mark Teixeira and a prospect (if necessary) for James Loney and Matt Kemp.

By Einstein

July 8, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Why would you want to sign Tex and commit 25% to 30% of your total payroll to just one player, who has helped you finish 3rd or 4th in your division the past 2 seasons? If so, you must be the same folks who thought the “teaser” mortgage rates were a such good deal.

By TK

July 8, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

Tex to LA Dodgers or Angels. Loney & Kemp…Kotchmen & Wood & ?

By gp

July 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

JudiasIscariat: You say that “Every great player the Braves have ever had with the exception of Chipper Jones and John Smoltz have been traded away just when they started being productive or were doing a fantastic job for the Braves. I can recall at least 15 Braves players who were wonderful when they were here, but then SOMEHOW, they got dispatched elsewhereall the players below were good and on the verge of becoming great”??

That is intellectually dishonest even by revisionist history standards:

• Dave Justice – Good player for 3 or 4 years after the trade. K Lofton was an absolute POS. Bad trade.

• Jermaine Dye – Hit .235 in 2 injury plagued seasons with KC after we traded him. We had no place for him. BTW, he cost us game5 of the infamous ’96 WS

• Greg Maddox – Unexpectedly filed arbitration after he was over the hill. Stuck us for $14 million which forced the infamous Millwood for Estrada trade. His ERAhas been over 4 for the past 5 years

• Tom Glavine – Well, you got him back. Great pickup-beyond over-the-hill

• Fred McGriff – hit around .300 in the AL for 2 years after he left. Then he fell way off. Galarraga’s 44 HRs were an upgrade

• Gary Sheffield – Good riddance. He was clubhouse cancer and invisible in the playoffs

• Andres Gallarraga – had actual cancer. Was part time player after he left here

• J.D. Drew – Missed ½ the year after he left. Hits around .280 and is a Boras guy. Should never have traded for him

• Wilson Bettement- Utility man for the Yankees-so what?

• Andruw Jones – The most overpaid player in baseball. You want him and his .150 average back?

• Edgar Renteria – Trade for JJ was a good one

• Rafael Furcal, - We miss him but the Dodgers offer of $11 million looked ridiculous at the time

• Brook Jacoby – Part of worst trade in ATL Braves history. This was a generation ago and we all must let this one go.

• Mark DeRosa – Missed on him too. He could help

• Brett Butler – See Jacoby

By Ed Glennon

July 8, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

If we get two draft choices then we might be better off keeping Overpaid Tex. Who needs an extra first baseman who is going to leave? Of course no one will be dumb enough to give up five prospects like the Braves. Keep Tex around and have Chipper practice breaking up double play balls hit by Tex. At least Tex gives him a little more protection than poor Andruw.

By tme

July 8, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

I say the Braves should look for a 2B and perhaps a fill in at first and move kelly johnson back to the outfield. Can Diaz or Kotsay fill in at first?

By Pete H.

July 8, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Good post, GP.

We’ve made our share of trades that worked out and those that didn’t. Getting McGriff for nearly nothing and Gallaraga (I don’t even remember what we traded for him) rank as the best. Butler and Jacoby for Len Freaking Barker is without a doubt the worst, with Torre for Cepeda a close second.

Justice for Lofton was actually a good trade that Lofton deliberately sabotaged. He hated Atlanta, for some reason. He’s certainly had the better career overall.

The Braves are generally pretty good judges of talent, but you’re dealing with human beings so every team is going to really blow a deal every now and then.

I think after Drew and Tex, though, we better not make trades based on thinking we can sign a guy in his walk year. That’s over.

By ronyp

July 8, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Trade Tex and get something for him because Braves will never sign him as long as Scott Boras is around…

Let the other guys deal with Boras. Maybe he can find another sucker like the Dodgers who shelled out $36 big ones for Andruw…ask the Dodgers how they like the deal? I’m sure they would trsdr him today for a player to be named later….

By Cooper

July 8, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Braves until seasons end maybe next year. Wishful thinking perhaps but at the deadline he won’t bring enough to make it worthwhile.

Teams are looking for pitchers not 1B.

By Michael

July 8, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

whocares, Are you delusional? Yeah, you’re right, Wren has been awful. I can’t believe he gave Renteria for Jurrjens. That move is gonna really come back to bite us.

By Rush

July 8, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

gp - your reviews leave a bit to be desired.

Dye did not tear it up from the start in KC. He did however go on to have a huge year in 1999 and while he wont be a hall of famer, he is a World Series MVP, two time all star, and gold glove winner. He may not have had a place at the time, but that does not mean the trade was a good one.

Maddux might have an ERA over 4, but he has been an effective MLB starter for those 5 years.

The money for Furcal looked ridiculous? Maybe the LA just understood what lead off hitters who get on base and can run cost?

There are two sides to every deal. Sometimes the Braves make the right move. Often they make the wrong move. The days of assuming that because JS traded for someone, or let someone go, it must be the correct move are long gone. This GM needs to prove he understands what this team needs to compete. That might mean that he trades Tex. Maybe not, time will tell, and as with your reviews above, it depends on whose viewpoint you are using if you are trying to rate the deal.

In the spirit of the crazy deals that will never happen: Tex, Frency, Schaefer, Morton, Soriano for Youklis, Elsbury, Lester or Buckholz, Papelbon

By Chris

July 8, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

I don’t think the Tex to Boston rumors aren’t based in reality. So much of what happens up there involves ‘can we keep this guy from going to NY.’ Would you get Lester, Pedroia and Youk for just Tex? No. But would I ask it? Hell yes. You never know what the answer will be, and you can always revise.

Boston ‘could’ try to sign him to a long-term deal, or could benefit from the two 1st rounders when the Yankees or Mets eventually sign him next year (if you don’t think he’ll end up in NY next year, you’re insane - both clubs need 1B, and are moving into brand new stadiums. Baltimore has a chance, but they won’t be a winner)

There’s a chance that Boston could over pay to keep him from going to another AL team, especially NY. I’d certainly be fine with Pedroia and either Buchholz, Masterson or Hansen. Even substitute Lowrie for Pedroia.

KJ certainly has the tools to fill-in at first base, and you do still have Thorman as a backup.

By choprocks

July 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Trading Mark Texas would hurt this team even more than the Hawks trading Al Hartford or the Falcons cutting Keith Brookings!! Sign him long-term! Remember when the Hawks traded Dominique Wikson? Keep our stars in Atlanta!!

By D-Cider

July 8, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

It wasn’t Justice for Lofton. It was Justice and Grissom for Lofton and Embree. It was a sucky trade, because Justice was more important in the clubhouse than any player Atlanta had at the time and for the next few years after that. What about the klesko, boone and shiell deal for veras, joyner and sanders? that certainly paid huge dividends for atlanta. Atlanta SHOULD have traded A. Jones and Furcal to let these guys walk for draft picks is absurd. Given the uncertainity of the baseball draft and the lack of production in the Braves outfield, I would trade Tex for multiple prospects any day of the week.

By earldon

July 8, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

Matt Holiday and Todd Helton to the Braves in a three way deal that send Tex to the Yankees. Colorado could get Yankee prospects and The Yankees could eat most of the money owed to Helton.

By Dr. R

July 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

Sigh … Fans always overvalue their own players. Braves fans need to know that not everyone is going to open the pantry as soon as they see Wren coming. Take the Tampa Bay trade offer mentioned before: Why would a young club on the rise with the best record in baseball trade three key players for the Braves’ veteran castoffs and free agents to-be? Do you think the other GMs are total fools? You trade Tex now, you get a couple of prospects; that’s it. The guy is a good player, but he’s about to walk. And having Boras takes the price down (which is why the Braves gave up a catcher who can’t throw and two other kids who are a ways off to get him).

By #1 brave in va

July 8, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

heres what the braves should do put together a list of players they would trade and send it to boston and see what it would take to get ellsbury,lester,and another player. who ever keeps saying no one will trade for a rental is crazy. Its more than a rental its the potential to out do the people in your division and to get a champ ring. If you think for one second that boston wouldnt try to one up the yankees or rays your crazy. as of right now i say rays win al east and if we traded tex to nyy i dont even think boston makes the playoffs. so its almost like were putting boston in the postion to make a trade. I know boston is 50+-30 something but dont think for sec that there head and shoulders above everyone cause there not the rays are better and are spending less money and have bet the head to head how many times this year? tex,schaffer,james,prado for ellsbury,pedroia,lester i would even through in francour to get the deal done.

By gp

July 8, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Rush-I was responding to someone who feels every player mentioned left while in their prime.

Maddux is a tough case. He was a Boras guy and wanted to go to Chicago where he started. His best days were behind him (granted a .500 pitcher with a 4.00 ERA is effective -some days at least). He was the best I ever saw in his prime, but I can honestly say I haven’t missed him since he has been gone. The $14 million in arbitration made it easier to part ways.

Re Furcal-He was streaky and injury prone while here (believe he just came off the DL this week). Yes we miss him but shouldn’t be embarrased that we offered $8 mill per year and at the time were maxed out.

Look at the signing of Andruw though before you lecture about what a prescient organization the Dodgers are. I believe the great Dodgers have won 1 playoff game in the last 20 years.

Finally on Dye: Yes he has had a good career. We were trying to win immediately though. I just can’t muster too much regret for Jermaine Dye getting away. sorry

By Craig

July 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

This is a .500 team over the past 3 years. There is enough of a track record here to indicate that this is not going to get better without serious changes.

I would prefer that they add young talent like they did in the Jurrjens deal instead of adding marginal veterans like Kotsay.

The division is so weak though, that is tempting to add someone like Nady or Bay. The Pirates don’t have a history of stealing people blind for their quality veterans.

By Drew

July 8, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

Save us Ted!!!!!!! or Arthur!!!!!!!! or the Atlanta Spiri……..wait, nevermind..

By #1 brave in va

July 8, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

cubs just got harden and gaudin from the A’s for murton,patterson,gallgher someone else. boys and girls trading season is pickin up!!! they said that wren said there is not much of a market for tex right now but by the deadline there could be a trade we cant refuse. also xaiver nady for lillebridge is rumored. I say get youlkils,ellsbury,pedroia,lester for tex, schaffer, francour, james, morton and prado!

By braves70

July 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

I would love to see Tex go to the Yankees for a package that would include outfielder Brett Gardner. Anyone who saw him Sunday night on ESPN has to be impressed. He has the makings of a Brett Butler type lead off man which the Braves desperately need. He has a successful stolen base ratio of about 85%.

By Ariel

July 8, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

People, people, people…….WE NEED A “REAL” GM!!!!!!!!!!!

While all the teams are making deals, our team remains put…….even when we are the ones who really need a few players…..Lets hope we do not sign Nady…..we need to plan for the future, not try to win the division today..

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 8, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

If I thought there was a realistic chance the Braves could snag the Wild Card, I’d say roll the dice and keep Tex. But I am thinking the Brewers are gonna end up there.

If we have a decent chance to resign him for a few years, I say go for it. God knows we need the bats.

But if we have a good sense that he’s going to turn down the Braves’ offer anyways, then I say we trade him now for prospects.

By Stuart

July 8, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

I think the dodgers are the first team the braves should call. They should ask for Clayton Kershaw, Matt Kemp, and Blake Dewitt. If they say no then ask for Billingsley, Kemp, Loney, and DeWitt (or Andy LaRoche).

By Drew

July 8, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

Nady KILLS the braves everytime he plays us..personally I’d like to see Jason Bay patrol LF for a few years until Heyward gets here.

I’ve been screaming on this blog what KyleH has been saying. The Braves are clearing a lot of payroll this winter. They COULD sign Tex. Chipper isn’t getting younger and McCann is not the impact bat the Braves are going to need to carry them into the next decade.

There’s no way they’re going to be able to get what they traded for him in 2008. No way. So give the guy a “little” raise over the next 8 years for “underperforming”, apologize to Chipper, bring Leo and Fredi back to coach these young kids (love Hanson by the way), kick Bobby and Roger and Terry and Eddie and Wren out in a year &.badda boom badda bing you’re back to .545 and 2nd place in the east….

By Nick

July 8, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

shut up drew u dont know anything. and u ppl think these braves can get the world for tex when they cant even get half of what u want them to get

By Fred Hunter

July 8, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

I think the Braves should get what they can now and try to make a trade to get a future.But in their financial situation I think even this season if they changed there teams personality and became that dictate the action instead of going station to station and waiting for a 3 run homer is not the way tgo.Do more hit and run and get Josh Anderson up here and bat him and Blanco 1-2 and start putting more pressure on the defenses.

By Najeh Davenpoop

July 8, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

My favorite Tex trade rumor? Tex to the Rangers for Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Matt Harrison, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz and Beau Jones.

By Pete H.

July 8, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Cubs got a pretty good deal, except Harden has probably pitched most of the innings he’ll manage this year. But Gaudin will help them and they only gave up spare parts. Useful spare parts, but spare parts nevertheless.

By John R.

July 8, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this

Can we all admit the Braves are not postseason bound? Too many injuries and not enough hitting. Wren needs to be smart and trade Tex NOW! A team is less likely to part with top prospects for a 2 month rental. Look at the Indians and Cubs for that matter. Don’t wait until July 31. Tap into the Red Sox organization and grab some pitching.

Besides getting (2) 2009 first round doesnt mean anything. As we all know, first rounders are anything but gaurantees. We traded our farm system for Tex, so its time to cut the loss and try to add depth for the future. The future really depends on what Wren does with the situation.

By D-Man

July 8, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this

With this division, I wouldn’t trade Tex because there is no clearly dominant team.The Braves need to be more patient at the plate, work the count, and look for their pitch. For goodness sake, watch Chipper! Hoss only swings at pitches he can handle. Bobby Cox and his Little League encouragement needs to take a hike. When Francoeur or Escobar swings at a down and away pitch and grounds out to short, he should be saying: “What are you thinking? When Ozzie Guillen took his players to task for their lackluster play they are now in first place. When you challenge the manhood of a player he WILL respond. To heck with a happy clubhouse of losers. Give me a disgruntled,salty, p** off bunch of winners any day of the week. Nuff said.

By Larry

July 8, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

Sign Tex, trade him, whatever….this team goes nowhere ‘cept down the toilet with Senile King Cox as manager. Inflexible, predictable, stubborn to a fault, never ever admitting a mistakepersonal favorites bunting with second at-bat of the game and endless fouled-up squeeze playsyou cannot deny it. You don’t lose these many consecutive one-run games with just bad luck. You have someone making poor decisions constantly.

By Cletusj

July 8, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

Don’t trade him. We need offense and he has actually done his job a provided an offensive spark while he has been here. Sign him and build around him and Chipper. We’ve got decent young pitching to build around too if we don’t wear them completely out soon. A better idea of what to do is to stop paying mega bucks for old broken down arms and pay the guys that play every day. Young pitching talent is obtainable without trading one of your best offensive weapons. Good GM’s do it all the time. If Tex leaves, CJ can’t do it every nite by himself. Get rid of Hampton and Glavine and pay someone who plays. Hampton for the past 3 years and Glavine this year really screwed the organization big time. Did we not put an insurance policy on Hampton and Glavine. Thats the underlying problem! Praying for the USA and America’s team.

By Drew

July 8, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Nick, if you read the post i don’t think the braves can get anything for Tex….idiot

By who cares

July 8, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Micheal,I am right. Wren is in over his head. Look at the braves bench. It is the most pathetic bench in baseball, and even Mr.Bisher of the AJC said we have nothing but retreads in our bullpen and on the bench.Why is that, it must be because of the wonderful insight of our new GM. Oh, Micheal,maybe you didn’t see where you’re great GM picked up another over the hill pitcher with an era of 7.50 today. You sir, don’t have a clue, and neither does the braves GM

By Lawdog

July 8, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

 KEEP TEX!!!!  Hell, it's only money.

By #1 brave in va

July 8, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

we should take whoever gives us the best deal but we should contact the dodgers and see if they would do a loney,kemp for tex or they could give us loney,kemp and broxton for tex and a ptbnl or acosta/boyer even if it meant eating some of tex salary. i still think tex will be dealt to boston but it wouldnt suprise me if some team gave us a knock your socks off offer at the deadline.i agree with most on here about building around tex and chip but we dont even know if tex will resign with us so i belive we have just as good a chance to sign him in the offseason if we traded him as if we didnt and kept him. plus two first round picks is nice but it would be aleast 3 years before they get to the majors so your talking 2012.if we did trade him and then resigned him we would lose picks.

By JS

July 8, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Maybe we can trade him to Texas for 5 cheap guys, maybe Saltlamacchia, Andrus, and 3 other prospects!

By Jerry Royster

July 8, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

Hmmm. Let’s make up rumors about Tex since we don’t have anything else to blog aboout. Chop chick…you are almost as bad of a MUCKRAKER as DOB.

By Jon

July 8, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

Lets see… trade tex , miss playoffs, get SOMETHING in return or not trade him, miss playoffs, and get ZILCH for him. ‘

this really isn’t a hard decision

By Pete H.

July 8, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Who Cares:

You’re quoting Furman Bisher? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The guy hasn’t had anything interesting or accurate to say since Ralph Garr was leading the league in hitting.

Infante, Ohman, Gonzo, Boyer, Soriano are hardly “retreads” and the retreads we do have are due to major injuries to the guys who should be here. When you have nearly your entire starting rotation go down, promote one of your best relievers to the rotation, and then have three guys go on the DL the same day, you gotta do SOMETHING. We got two guys with experience for the major league minimum. If they don’t work out, they’ll be gone when the regulars get off the DL.

The whining around here. I wonder if any team has ever had the level of injuries that this team has had this year and managed to stay in contention? I highly, highly doubt it.

By Rush

July 8, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

GP:

I agree with you for the most part, and sorry if I jumped in in the middle. Maddux is the greatest pitcher of the modern era imho, and I always cringe when I see him in another uniform. He is actually one of the only ones I really think the Braves fooked up letting go. But maybe he just does not add that much in the clubhous. I dont know. I do know that in the mid 90’s he was incredible. I dont think people actually appreciate the level of his non steroid enhanced dominance.

As for the Dodger and Furcal/Andrew, its not so much that I think they are smarter than the Braves, I just get frustrated that the Braves are no longer a team who can pay market value to keep thier players. I miss the days of Ted Turner. :(

I also understand why Dye was traded, and at the time, the team was in Win Now mode, and willing to spend to fill in the missing peaces each year. Its just that we are paying so many years later for the spending and trading way back then, as the ownership and speding habits have changed so drastically.

It seemed that the Braves were charmed in the 90’s. Not only did they have money to spend, but most of the moves they made ended up looking inspired.

We did not know how good we had it….

Go Braves?!

By jeffery

July 8, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

I just have to add here that most of these folks that berate , bellyache and downplay Bobby Cox’s performance as a manager have no idea of what his level headed nature and keen knowledge of the sport mean to a player. Everyone simply says”Players are too comfortable” or ” Get a younger guy that lights fires under their asses..” as if we could comprehend the aura a legend like him holds to true ballplayers. It seems that players want to perform SO intensely for this guy that a mere disapproving look or huff of disappointment might actually cause them to try too hard. A pastoral, Gothic and time managed game like baseball appears lost on our commercial , 15minutes of fame based society and within that is lost the respect to guys like Connie Mack, Sparky Anderson and Bobby Cox. I know everyone must have their entrance and exit to a career but it is, for one final time , a blessing in the greater picture, to have a man of this stature and respect and true knowledge involved with your favorite organization. The history books will look on him as the last of a true breed.They will also acknowledge how many folks thought he was too easy-going and under stimulating to players incorrectly. Players want to do their best for him like little children want their fathers attention. And, he is likely the one real motivator that this wreck of a team is holding on to for dear life. The Grass is always greener and I want my green field to have Bobby sitting in its dugout dominating the strategy and luck with deep knowledge any day. Give us four young buck pitchers and some timely hitting and he would roll with it all over again.

By waldo13

July 8, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

Do most of you actually follow baseball? No? Thought so. We would be extremely lucky to get even 2 prospects from an organization. Loney or Kotchman would be nice, as would masterson or a pitcher like billingsly. But that prospect would be the centerpiece of a deal. No team in their right mind, in this youth movement that is MLB, would give up proven players AND top prospects for a rental player that will command $20-22 or 23 million on the fa market. Wren needs to say to every team, “Hey. Teixeira is out there. If you want him, come and get him, because we sure as heck cant pay him. We want this and this, and we’ll take the best available offer.” We gave up a gold mine for Tex last year; we’ll be lucky to get a bar or too in return. As for the people who think we have a chance this year… hate to break it too you, but we dont. We have a team of about ten good players and 15 rejects- the entire bullpen. Honestly, we probably dont have a chance in the next few years. We have become the Yankees of a cheap, cheap payroll. Nothing more. In my opinion, rebuilding is the ONLY WAY. and that takes time, years. And since the organization is still focused on the past, we’re in trouble for a long time. Welcome to the cellar

By #1 brave in va

July 9, 2008 12:02 AM | Link to this

i just read that the braves could get jason bay for lillbridge and a mlb ready player like a brandon jones. If the pirates would do then the braves should already have it a done deal. we could see how the team plays w bay and if we fall farther out then trade tex we would still have bay for the rest of this yr and next. call the pirates gm wren and get jason bay

By 40 yr braves fan

July 9, 2008 1:10 AM | Link to this

Tex is much too valuable to trade. He saves as many runs at first as he drives in at the plate. A Gold Glove first baseman who switch hits with power is worth whatever it takes to keep him. He also has a great attitude, is a leader, and a team player. If the Braves don’t keep him, then they really don’t care about re-building the championship caliber team that won 14 straight division titles.

By still hopeful

July 9, 2008 2:31 AM | Link to this

we are in desperate need for a go-to arm in the bullpen i am thinking of someone like fuentes i know he can have devistating stuff and could eventually be the franchise closer thats what i say.

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July 9, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

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By 82DAWG

July 9, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

For those saying the Braves will automatically get 2 draft choices for Tex are incorrect. In order to get the draft picks the Braves must first offer arbitration. They usually do not because if it is accepted they are forced to overpay, like Maddux a few years ago. Most likely they will just let Tex walk and recieve nothing.

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By #1 brave in va

July 9, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

TO SAY THAT THEY WONT GET 2 DRAFT PICKS IF HE LEAVES IS WRONG. IF WHAT YOU SAY IS CORRECT ABOUT ARBITRATION THEN IM PRETTY SURE THE WOULD DO IT BECAUSE THEY GAVE OF 5 PLAYERS TO GET TEX JUST THINK ABOUT IT 82dawg. wren go get bay for lillebridge and bjones. ps 82dawg uga got lucky that vt didnt even show up in the second half or we woulda ran you guys out of the stadium plus if it was in va insted of atlanta we woulda crushed you guy but its just like the acc title game being in flordia its total bullcrap!

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By #1 brave in va

July 9, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

we should also try and get matt kemp from the dodgers. I think we could get him for very little. Did you guys know that kemp has 18 steals on the year already. thats more than any guy on the braves,speed power plus he looks huge,may very well become an all star very soon(not talkin about a fan vote im talkin about stat wise he has 10 homers 46 rbis 18 steals)the homerun stat may be wrong but it close +- i know he struck out four times last night but i think its the worst game hes played.

By ATL24_10

July 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

We have to keep Tex. Try to sign him now. If not get the 2 1st rounders and start bringing up the unknown monster Jason Heyward. He is the top ranked prospect on Scouting Book and 2nd on Baseball America. He is a future MVP. The 2nd coming of Hank Aaron. He is a beast. BTW he is a 1st basemen.

By Gman

July 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

By #1 brave in va

July 9, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

hey gman dont talk about vt players being thugs when uga has had there fair share. what did deangelo ever do to be considered a thug? between uga tenn scar and the rest of the goons in the sec you guys could probably start a prison. mike vick fought dogs big deal, lenard little killed a woman in a head on collision and hes still playin? uga has had how many kids arrested since the end of the season 7?8?9? dont be using the thug card when youve had guys like split personality walker. My number 1 team is the braves then vt but truth be told i hate everyother team in georgia. falcons suck and will for a long time,hawk ha,thrasher ha you guys your sport teams suck!!!!!!!!!!!!oh and you guys wouldnt even hav knowshon if we didnt make kids take a math test to get into tech. face it georgia will fade back to medocricy and vt will win 10+ games for the 5th year in a row.

By Gman

July 9, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

VT Fan:

You area bit defensive about your Hokies. Aren’t you guys something like 4-8 in your last 12 bowl games/ You’ve been very competitive in the ACC winning 1 or 2. Beamer is a nice guy and good coach. Be pleased with that.

The national perception of Virginia Tech isn’t that positive though.

Coming on here and claiming that VT wudda/shudda/cudda kicked UGA’s a* in the ’07 Peach Bowl just sounds small.

By SoupySales

July 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

The only Tex trade that makes sense is to trade Tex straight up for Randy Johnson (the Big Unit). Granted Randy has aged gracefully over the years, but he is not over the hill yet and represents another solid starter who would take the place of Mike Hampton in the starting rotation. Randy is only 11 wins from 300 at 289 and is a certain bet to get 300 wins this season. Why not get 300 wins in an Atlanta Braves uniform with an incredible marketing campaign that would draw huge crowds as Randy nears 300 AND the Braves would approach another division title, not to mention the sell-out crowds that would result from having a Randy Johnson on your roster. Randy Johnson is the greatest left hander since Walter Johnson and would be a welcome addition to any roster. Randy is also the LAST major league pitcher to throw a perfect game.

By mace224

July 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Tex will be gone, Chipper will switch to first, then we search for a third baseman. This will extend Chipper’s career and get him out of the hot corner.

By Evan

July 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Why should the Braves give up on the season and trade Tex for prospects? why not send a couple guys (i.e. frenchy, blanco, acosta etc.) to a team for another big bat (Matt Holliday), sign tex long term, and who cares where Holliday goes after 2009 when his contract runs out?

By erik

July 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

What about Hudson, Tex, Ohman for Bucholz, Youkilus, a Blue Chip prospect and 2 or 3 B prospects?

By SoupySales

July 10, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

Texiera SHOULDNT be traded at all. Tex is one of the greatest talents in major league baseball today. However, if the Braves fees they MUST trade him and I understand full well that baseball is a business, then please be darn sure that you get equal value in return for him. Aside from Chipper and Frenchy, Tex is the best all-around player the Braves have. I can see three possible trades for Tex. As I mentioned yesterday, Tex straight up for Randy Johnson. Secondarily, Tex straight up for Ken Griffey Junior. Thirdly, Tex straight up for Alex Rodriguez. All of these players that I would trade Tex for were all teammates with the Seattle Mariners in the late 80s, early 90s. Those are the only trades that I would make for Tex because anything else would be uncivilized. P.S. If Bonds and Sosa were clean and steroid-free I would have included their names too in a possible trade for Texiera.

By Maryland Mangler

July 14, 2008 2:35 AM | Link to this

The Braves are going to have a very tough time trading “Tex” for several reasons. 1) He has publicly spoken about wanting to play in Baltimore which will scare teams from him because they will not want to give anything up for a player they feel they cannot sign. 2) He has said agents can be fired, which means he wants to play in Baltimore and his agent will make the deal or else. 3) He has publicly said he can see himself in an Os uniform, which means he wants to play in Baltimore and teams will shy away from him. 4) He was born Annapolis and says that he could see himself in an Orioles uniform. 5) He is from Maryland and grew up an Os fan and looked up to Cal as a kid and has said he could see himself in an O`s uniform and that agents can be fired. 6) He grew up admiring Cal Ripken and dreamed of playing for the Birds one day. 7) Him Markakis,Roberts,Jones,Wieters and the other free agents the Birds will sign could dominate the East for 5-6 yrs. 8)ANY QUESTIONS?