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DEL.ICIO.USHey they’re big in Japan
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
We probably should have taken a poll to gauge Frank Wren’s approval rating just after last week’s news that John Smoltz felt a bit miffed over the Braves’ offer to him and had decided to sign with the Boston Red Sox.
Because I’m guessing Wren’s rating would have been rather low that day. And I’ve got to think it’s risen considerably in recent days with the acquisition of free-agent pitchers Kenshin Kawakami and Derek Lowe.
Oh, sure, there are plenty of folks who will criticize one or both signings, who’ll say Kawakami is an unknown commodity (which he basically is) who got too much money, and/or that the Braves should never have given a $60 million, four-year contract to a 35-year-old pitcher, despite the fact that Lowe has been a far more durable and reliable pitcher than A.J. Burnett, for whom the Braves offered $80 million before he signed with the Yankees for $82 million.
But seriously, there were going to be plenty of detractors regardless of what Wren did — if he did nothing and aimed for 2010; or if he “blew up the team” (whatever the hell that means) and aimed for the long-term future; if he pinched pennies and added a cheaper (and less-accomplished) pitcher such as Jon Garland instead of Lowe … in short, some were sure to bitch if he did anything short of trade two middling minor-leaguers for Jake Peavy.
And if he traded two minor leaguers, I can assure you there would have still been a few folks here complaining that he was mortgaging the future for a pitcher whose stats were a product of Petco Park and whose elbow would likely implode and send tissue and muscle flying across rows of fans in his first start for the Braves (yikes, I’m really tired, ain’t I?).
Hey, it’s the nature of the GM position, particularly when opinions are swayed by a largely unpopular move — like, say, letting a fan-favorite Braves icon like Smoltz go over what amounted to a (guaranteed) $3 million difference in offers — and a few other personnel pursuits that didn’t work out this winter, including the Burnett and Peavy matters, plus the Rafael Furcal debacle and the Mike Hampton exit.
Anyway, we’re not here to rehash all that (unless you all want to), but rather to say that this week has been a rollercoaster for Wren and the Braves, and for their fans, many of whom acknowledge going from the depths of despair after Smoltz left to feeling much better about the Braves’ chances with the additions of one of Japan’s top pitchers and the best available free agent on the market.
Braves still have work to do, including getting another hitter and perhaps re-signing Will Ohman for a bullpen that’s got to rely an awful lot on three surgically repaired arms in Soriano, Moylan and Gonzalez in key roles.
But these were big steps, Lowe and Kawakami, if you ask me.
Remember, people, there were observers and evaluators who had Lowe as the second- or third-best free agent starter available entering this offseason, some rating him behind only C.C. Sabathia. Burnett is a more dominant pitcher, when he’s healthy. But he’s healthy far less frequently than Lowe, who is 4-1/2 years older but has averaged 15 wins and 208 innings in seven seasons as a starter since 2002.
Lowe is 106-75 with a 3.79 ERA in 233 starts since 2002, while Burnett is 69-55 with a 3.71 ERA and 164 starts in that period. (Just for comparison’s sake, Peavy is 86-62 in 199 starts since 2002, his rookie season, and Ben Sheets is 75-73 with a 3.60 ERA in 196 starts since ‘02, which was his second season in the majors.)
Lowe is tied with Johan Santana for third-most wins in the majors since 2002 , behind Roys Oswalt (115) and Halladay (113).
He’s good, folks. And durable. While my colleague Jeff Schultz wonders if we might be calling Lowe the next Mike Hampton in a couple of years, I have to ask, where’s the comparison? Hampton already had a string of injuries and a couple of disappointing seasons in Colorado when the Rockies agreed to eat a big chunk of his salary over the remaining six years of his contract so he’d go away.
Contrast that to Lowe, who was 14-11 with a 3.24 ERA in 211 innings last season, and in his final 10 starts he was 6-1 with a 1.27 ERA. And that’s with a Los Dodgers team that had shoddy infield defense and inconsistent run support.
OK, so the Braves are hardly looking like a high-scoring machine at this point. But they do have one of the most highly regarded infield defenses in the NL, with Gold Glove-caliber 1B Casey Kotchman, dynamic shortstop Yunel Escobar, a still-strong defensive 3B in batting champion Chipper Jones, and a serviceable defensive 2B in Kelly Johnson, who’s not regarded by Lowe and his agent, Scott Boras, as anywhere near the defense liability some on this blog claim he is.
In fact, Boras said he considered the Braves’ overall situation, including that infield defense, and told Lowe last month that this was a team he should seriously consider if they made a good offer for him, even though Lowe and his new wife were said to prefer one of the big Northeastern cities initially (she’s a California native and was a TV news personality out there).
Lowe’s visit last week, a five-hour epic that included long talks with Bobby Cox, Roger McDowell, Wren and other Braves officials, swayed him to Boras’ way of thinking. Lowe really liked what he saw and heard, including the rundown on the Braves’ pitching talent in the minor league systen, which Boras had also told him about beforehand.
Boras, who also represents Jair Jurrjens, remarked that pitching prospect Tommy Hanson (not a Boras client) is widely regarded as one of the best three prospects in all of baseball, and the agent was quite familiar with the Braves’ bevy of other pitching prospects and with their outfield prospects including Jordan Schafer, Jason Heyward and Boras client Gorkys Hernandez.
The highest-profile agent in the business spoke about the Braves in more favorable tones than a lot of their frustrated fans have lately.
Sure, some will say he steered Lowe here just because the Braves were desperate and would be willing to give him the biggest contract. But I’m telling you, in conversations with Boras in recent weeks, I really got the impression he believes the Braves are poised for a resurgence over the next several years in large part because of the young players on their current major league roster and the load of prospects bubbling just below the surface, ready to start trickling onto the big-league roster over the next several years.
Think about the Braves’ potential rotation in 2010: Lowe, Jair Jurrjens, Javier Vazquez, Kawakami, and Hanson. If the Braves and Tim Hudson agree to pick up his option for 2010, well, then the Braves, provided everyone else stays healthy, could have a nice trade chip with, say, Vazquez.
And remember, the Braves might have overpaid for Lowe, but they avoided giving him a no-trade clause.
Kawakami’s arrival: I knew covering Kawakami would be a different experience, but it wasn’t until dozens of camera shutters were going off in unison for a minute or so at Wednesday’s press conference that I realized just how different it’s going to be.
Like my man in Jaws said, we’re going to need a bigger boat.
Or rather, a bigger pressbox. The one at Dark Star is going to be jammed this spring, and I’d imagine a spare radio booth or two will have to serve as overflow seating for the many Japanese reporters who’ll be covering Kawakami.
A Japanese reporter told me perhaps 20 reporters would cover him this spring, and maybe 30 people in all, including cameramen and photogs. That number will likely decrease during the season, as the economy in Japan is suffering, too, and their newspapers are cutting back on travel much like ours in the States.
Another moment when I realized how different Kawakami would be: When he said through a translator that he wanted to put “his soul” into all his pitches, and to illustrate he held up a small painting he’d done of — if I understood this correctly — the Japanese character or figure that represents “soul.”
Hey, it looked like a Rohrschach test to me, but Kawakami was clearly proud of it, and hey, it was pretty cool looking.
The dude seems like a good guy, shy and respectful, and genuinely happy to be here. He and his agent said that so many people had come up and introduced themselves and wished him luck these past couple of days, that he was now even more certain of his decision to sign with the Braves.
That Southern hospitality, agent Dan Evans said, was already evident to the 33-year-old pitcher.
I wrote in my story that he ate at the Varsity — “hot dogs, cheeseburgers and Coca-Colas,” he said through a translator — and at Morton’s downtown, and at the steakhouse he was introduced to former Atlanta mayor Andrew Young.
Evans said that Kawakami recognized his name from a sign on Andrew Young Boulevard near their downtown hotel.
Imagine, for a moment, what this must be like for a guy who was a star in Japan, who’d spent all 11 seasons over there with the same Chunichi Dragons team. Gotta admire him for having the stones to come to the U.S. and to a team that’s never had a Japanese player, when he could’ve just gone to one of those that already had or have a Japanese player and already ironed out the potential difficulties in the transition period for a player from that country.
Team meeting Wednesday: Another good move by Wren was to privately contact Braves players who are in Atlanta and invite them to a meeting/discussion at Turner Field on Wednesday, where they can say what’s on their minds and Wren can personally tell them about what the team is doing and how they’re trying to put together a roster that can contend for a playoff berth.
Been a lot of comments, including very public criticism by Chipper Jones, of the team’s moves before this week, including the perceived lack of a concerted effort to retain Smoltz when the Red Sox went after him harder than the Braves did, or at least that’s how it appeared to some Braves.
Anyway, players seemed pleased that Wren reached out to invite them down to talk it out. And that was before the news of the Lowe signing Wednesday morning, which was greeted with universal approval by Braves we talked to today.
Got some especially good quotes from a couple of Braves, including Chipper, who talked to Carroll Rogers, and Kelly Johnson, who I talked with on the phone for a while before the Kawakami news conference.
I’ll just give you their quotes in full, since I’m fading fast and need some food after this 12-hour workday of constant writing, rewriting, and press-conferencing:
Chippper Jones quotes:
On how he felt about the Braves signing Derek Lowe (before Chipper had heard enough to believe it entirely): “I’d feel better than I did 48 hours ago. I still think that can be a really good rotation with John Smoltz in it, but no sense crying over spilled milk. What we got is what we got. We’ve just got to go out there and play better. We were without Smoltzy for a long time last year, so we’re used to that at least. We’ve just got to go out and play better.”
“But I do like — if this is true — I do like having two guys that you can pretty much count on are going to go out there and throw 200 innings [Lowe and Vazquez] because that was a big part of our problem last year. We had too many instances where a starter went three or four innings and the bullpen got overtaxed and overused and ultimately overexposed.”
On Kawakami’s adjustment here: “His whole career he’s thrown in a six-man rotation, I don’t know how that’s going to translate over here because he’s used to a routine. That’s all he’s done his whole career, and now his routine is going to have to change. You always wonder how his arm and his body will adjust to that. But the good thing is if he can’t go, we have other options. We have a [Jorge] Campillo, a Jo-Jo [Reyes], a Charlie Morton, a Hanson. These last couple signings have, if anything, given us depth in the starting rotation.”
(Blogmeister note: Kawakami has actually pitched in a five-man rotation at times in Japan, such as in his 215-inning season in 2006. His innings were down significantly this season because he missed nearly a month for the Olympics and three weeks for a back strain.)
On his impressions of Japanese players who’ve joined the majors over the last decade and if he’s intrigued to have a Japanese player join the Braves: “I don’t think there’s any doubt they can play. I’ve faced Japanese pitchers for years starting with Nomo and Irabu, and Matsuzaka is really good, some of the closers Saito and Sasaki from Seattle Those guys have come over here and done real well, so there’s no doubt that the Japanese players can come over here and contribute well. [Kawakami] won the equivalent of the Cy Young over there. He knows what he’s doing. I would love to see a middle of the rotation that’s going to go out and give us seven innings every time out and keep us in the game. If he does that, he’s going to be very popular here.”
His thoughts on Lowe: “200 innings is the magic number for starters; he’s going to give you that. He’s going to keep you in ball games, he’s going to keep the ball on the ground. He’s a guy who pitches to contact, he relies on contact. He’s not a power strikeout guy, so we’re going to have to play good defense behind him, put the best possible eight guys out there behind him and play good defense. I don’t foresee that being a problem. Our infield is solid.
“However our outfield shapes up looks to be solid, so at least defensively, we’re going to have his back. That’s what you want — top of your rotation, a guy that you know will go out there every fifth day, is going to give you six, seven, eight innings, work fast, keep the ball on the ground, keep you in the game and give you a chance to win. Derek does that.”
So he’s a bonafide ace in your mind? “Yeah, definitely. There’s no doubt. You put him in this staff, he’s a definite No. 1. But I think with his age and his experience, that’s the spot you want him. You want him leading your staff because he’s been around the longest and he’s probably been the most proven.”
Kelly Johnson quotes:
Thoughts on the two signings, on the heels of Smoltz decision: “Big week, huh?
“He [Lowe] seems to be more of a fit in our locker room [than some other unnamed pitchers the Braves could have acquired], just from appearances. I’m a fan of [these two signings]. I think a lot of Lowe, I don’t know one hitter who —- well, there might be some left-handed hitters that can say whatever about him, but he’s a tough pitcher to face because of that sinkerball. I thought we should go after him from the beginning. Good fit for us.
“Kawakami is like Vazquez, doesn’t throw 98 but he’s one of those guys who keeps you off-balance. One of the keys for us is just the durability. I like the look when you’ve got those four guys in the first four spots, and the fifth spot with guys like Jo-Jo, Morton, Hanson, Bennett, Carlyle, Campillo….”
Any concern about possibly having all righty starters? “In my opinion, no, because I feel like a lot of the best left-handed hitters, the Howards and Utleys, seem to do just as well against lefties, I’ve seen Utltey hit a home run against Pedro Feliciano, one of the toughest lefties out there, and I’ve seen Howard do that. I think it’s a little different now. I think the bigger part of lety-right matchups is the bullpen.”
“Durability and giving you seven strong innings is the important thing [for starters].”
On Lowe being a groundball pitcher and the Braves having a solid defensive infield: “I’m lobbying that they keep the grass where it is right now, nice and long and thick.”
On the team in general: “We’ve got a lot of depth everywhere. If you get Frenchy back to where he was, or you get Matt Diaz back to where he was, then you get a surprise out of someone like a Brandon Jones, then all of a sudden you’re the Tampa Bay Rays. If Josh Anderson gets on base all the time, and all he’s stealing 70 bases … hey, this team suddenly is pretty good.”
OK, that’s it for me: I’m wiped out. Been a long freakin’ day, and I’m gonna be sitting in a dentist chair at 7:30 a.m., nine hours from now, being fitted for a crown and having some old fillings replaced.
”BIG IN JAPAN” by Tom Waits
I got the style but not the grace
I got the clothes but not the face
I got the bread but not the butter
I got the winda but not the shutter
But I’m big in Japan I’m big in Japan But heh I’m big in Japan
I got the house but not the deed
I got the horn but not the reed
I got the cards but not the luck
I got the wheel but not the truck
But heh I’m big in Japan I’m big in Japan I’m big in Japan
I got the moon I got the cheese
I got the whole damn nation on its knees
I got the rooster I got the crow
I got the ebb I got the flow
But heh I’m big in Japan I’m big in Japan I’m big in Japan
Heh ho they love the way I do it
Heh ho there’s really nothing to it
I got the moon I got the cheese
I got the whole damn nation on their knees
I got the rooster I got the crow
I got the ebb I got the flow
I got the sizzle but not the steak
I got the boat but not the lake
I got the sheets but not the bed
I got the jam but not the bread
But heh I’m big in Japan I’m big in Japan I’m big in Japan
I’m big in Japan I’m big in Japan
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Comments
By richbrave
January 13, 2009 9:54 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t take much of what BORAS says at face value DAVID. Always with a grain of salt. But I sure do like this team a lot better than last year’s, that is provided we sign OHMAN and get a bat for the middle of the line-up. With LOWE, the starting rotation looks good. With OHMAN the bull-pen’s solid, and we need his left arm out there. The bench is rockin’ and the line-up just needs a big bat in the middle of it. FRANCOUR’s recovery would put the icing on the cake. GO BRAVES.
By crispy
January 13, 2009 9:54 PM | Link to this
tick tick tick……..NEW BLOG!!
By Plato
January 13, 2009 9:57 PM | Link to this
Hell, I just hope we don’t move to Japan…
By StingerSplash
January 13, 2009 9:58 PM | Link to this
For the love of God, could someone fix the headline in the story about the Chiefs hiring Scott Pioli as GM? His name is Pioli, not Piolo as the headline has it on the ajc.com sports page. For guys like you, DOB, I’m willing to cut slack, because you’re either writing at warp speed or have two or three other things you got to do - game story, a notebook, whatever. But to consistently mangle headlines like this on the web? Who the hell is in charge of looking at this stuff once it’s up? Anybody? The AJC … covers Dixie like the don’t.
BTW, rotation looks a lot better now than it did 48 hours ago. Still could use a good lefty in there.
By JasonInFL (Formerly ME)
January 13, 2009 10:03 PM | Link to this
I think FW’s move to have a meeting with some of the players is a sign of a good leader. Now, I think JS was great at what he did, but I honestly can’t see “homeboy upstairs” doing the same. Maybe he did…
By jon-b
January 13, 2009 10:06 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the new blog Dave - really do appreciate it. And the text is positive and has me thinking that P&C are reporting soon!
The addition of Lowe to our infield makes a tough start every 5 days and Kawakami will help. Innings by Jurrgens and Vasquez and a few off days and we have a very good rotation. Hudson will be pumped to get back and join this crew, and we have enough others to hold the fort until Hudson and Hansen are ready to push down the stretch.
I may even go to Florida for a day or two in February or March.
By JasonInFL (Formerly ME)
January 13, 2009 10:07 PM | Link to this
Somewhat interesting comment from FW in the ESPN blurb about the Low signing:
“”We wanted get back to being a pitching team,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said. “If we can do another couple of moves, we can get back to that point.”
By j.t
January 13, 2009 10:10 PM | Link to this
dob thanks great post.
By David O'Brien
January 13, 2009 10:12 PM | Link to this
richbrave, I believe I’ve dealt with Boras for enough years (15) to not need any guidance from you in how to approach what he says. But thanks.
By BravesFanChris24
January 13, 2009 10:12 PM | Link to this
I am thrilled with how things have gotten from bad (to even worse to some extent) to much better than where it was. I like the additions of Kawakami and Lowe (Vazquez as well). All that’s left that needs to be done is to get the big bat.
By NEW-BEE
January 13, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this
DOB so Wren had a trade proposal on his desk for a pitcher as he said on 790 am this week(end), I assume he is probably going to file that away for a later date. Anything happening with that outfielder/power bat for the middle of the lineup that they need? Dunn seem to be a good opition but reported earlier he’s looking for similar contract to Lowe and I just dont see the Braves doing that. Even tho I think he is the best fit for what they need right now (forget the position and the defense, the fit is the power, if they want defense they have Anderson and Blanco if that’s what they are looking for) Less than six weeks till spring training gives Wren plenty of time to fill that last need before they head down to the Wide World of Sports.
By HuffBraves
January 13, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this
You ain’t kidding about the Japanese media, DOB.
Remember when Kuroda made his Dodgers debut at Dark Star last year? Pressbox was packed to the gills. Course, didn’t help that it was ESPN’s first game of the year, too.
I covered a space shuttle launch where a piece of a Japanese lab was being taken up to the International Space Station. You would have thought the launch was in Tokyo - we American journalists were outnumbered 5 to 1.
Bad economy or no, I feel like journalism must be a pretty lucrative business in Japan.
By Nick
January 13, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this
Still not over losing Smoltz. You take care of the guys who have taken care of you. Smoltz did it for 17 years. These signings are great, but in no way do they let Wren off the hook for the way he treated Smoltz. That offer was a low ball offer and a slap in the face. It’s still a HUGE long shot for the Braves to even finish .500, let alone make the playoffs in a division with the Mets and Phils. Assuring that Smoltz finishes his career as a Brave was worth matching the Sox offer.
Oh, there is also the fact that he’s an elite competitor with a mutant healing ability who could have given the Braves 15 wins this season. Nope, won’t be over the one for a while, especially when Smoltz is tearing it up in the post-season for Boston, which I hope he does. He deserves better than what he got here.
By BravesFanChris24
January 13, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this
I am thrilled with how things have gotten from bad (to even worse to some extent) to much better than where it was. I like the additions of Kawakami and Lowe (Vazquez as well). All that’s left that needs to be done is to get the big bat.
Sorry if doubled/tripled.
By crispy
January 13, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this
is it me or are my eyes dead after reading 2500 posts the past few days that makes the fonts in italics?
any truth to the last paragraph of McCann with Schaefer or Anderson patrolling the outfield more than anyone else or a free agent?
By keylargo
January 13, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this
For the love of God, could someone fix the headline in the story about the Chiefs hiring Scott Pioli as GM? His name is Pioli, not Piolo as the headline has it on the ajc.com sports page. StingerSplash
And get Smolt’s face off the front page in a Boston hat!!
Right now that B on Smoltz’s cap stands for Buttwholes. Maybe later I’ll let go of some of this rejection, but right now all I can think of is how many times JS was on the DL and got paid and then walks over a very small portion of what he collected while on the DL.
By Chop Chop
January 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this
I think Boras is happy with the contract the Braves gave Lowe. Getting $60 million guaranteed to a client heading into his Age 36 season is very nice. (You know, even if Wren probably felt like he had to blow any other potential suitors.) The end result is that Boras did right by his client. The man did his job.
Let’s hope that Lowe does his. If he does, this team has a much better chance than it did yesterday. Money aside, Frank Wren took a lot of the edge off the Smoltz debacle with this signing. You can sense that in Chipper’s quotes.
By Fred Secunda
January 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this
I can’t help but wonder what ol’ Skip would be saying about the two new pitchers, especially Kawakami. For some reason, it conjures up old memories of Bob Eucker in Major League II, calling the Indians center fielder Hiroshi “Kamikaze” Tanaka.
Drinking a Bud for you, Skip. Your Braves are going to be just fine.
By BrandonC
January 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this
Interesting to hear Boras talk so highly of our farm system and especially Hanson. I’m glad Lowe actually considered how many great prospects are about to be in Atlanta in the next couple of years. We Atlanta fans love our minor league players so that means a lot to me.
This team is starting to take shape and I’m almost antsy waiting to see who we get for LF. It’s undoubtably the key piece now.
Seems like Chipper is still a little upset by the Smoltz deal, but I have a feeling he’ll be fine by spring training. He’s going to have to be a leader and let this team know that he has confidence that they will be good.
By VP
January 13, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this
Dunn is pretty atrocious in the field but it looks like we have to sacrifice some defense to get some much needed power in the lineup. I am still bitter as hell about Smoltzie but yeah today i feel a whole lot better than i did on sunday.
By David O'Brien
January 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Link to this
Forgot to mention, the Lowe press conference probably won’t be until Friday or Saturday, since he’s not getting his physical until at least Thursday.
By Yars
January 13, 2009 10:23 PM | Link to this
DOB…….. An evening blog. Hell yeah. I do hope we hold onto KJ. Do you think he’ll still be a Brave by opening day? I think our rotation is set. We still need a LF. Looks like Dunn wants a multi year deal. I guess we can write him off. As far as I’m concerned, countdown until pitchers & catchers report begins today. I am finally happy about this Atlanta baseball team. We’ll get a LF. Just wondering who. now playing: twentieth century fox by the doors.
By Mike in LA
January 13, 2009 10:23 PM | Link to this
Outstanding work DOB. I think Nady is the best fit to fill the power void without overpaying or overtrading for someone. What do you think the yankees would want from the Braves in return? I think someone like Gorkys Hernandez is too much for a one year player, or even Swisher for that matter
By rainman34
January 13, 2009 10:24 PM | Link to this
maybe a outfield of a jones, anderson-schifer, and francore wouldnt be half bad if all the bats come around and you can bat jones 8th. move chipper to 4th and have the lineup like this. anderson, esco, kelly, chipper, mac, francore, kotchman and jones. not a great lineup but with this staff and bull pin maybe enough to stay in it.
By StingerSplash
January 13, 2009 10:32 PM | Link to this
In times like these, I’m glad my favorite internet radio station plays the Dead Milkmen.
By Yars
January 13, 2009 10:33 PM | Link to this
DOB……..were you ever a fan of the band, Alphaville? I know you somewhat dislike some 1980’s music like depeche Mode, duran duran, ect…..
By crispy
January 13, 2009 10:34 PM | Link to this
speaking of hudson, wouldnt it be wiser to use him in long relief or in the 6th, 7th to nurse him along instead of trying to pop him back in the rotation? maybe our 5th starter will have a high era but an even higher run support. we have seen anomollies on this team before. i just dont see the point of rushing him back that may be counter productive for 2010.
By ChipperFan
January 13, 2009 10:34 PM | Link to this
Gotta be psyched about these two signings!
The only thing left now is to snag that big bat for the cleanup hole. Once we do that, I’d say we have a real good shot at the wild card.
By Doc Holiday
January 13, 2009 10:38 PM | Link to this
There is a point I think is very important and that Im not sure has been mentioned. But I think it might relax some denizens.
No need to be very smart to figure out the following thought:
Would the Braves bother to sign Kawakami, Lowe and Vazquez if they were not trying to win?
The signing of Lowe is a clear sign that they want to compete. Braves know that the investment of 60 milllions in Lowe and 23 millions in kawakami plus vazquez will translate into economical loses if they dont complete their offseason task and that task will not be completed if they dont get a really good cleanup hitter.
They know all their effort this winter is worthless if they dont get offensive help…….big time.
That being said………they WILL go after the offense they need. That is a FACT. And they will go hard for it, really hard.
RELAX……..WE ARE ALMOST THERE.
By Don't Trade Franceour, Sheesh
January 13, 2009 10:39 PM | Link to this
Top 5 most suggestive headlines of all time…?
By NickB
January 13, 2009 10:40 PM | Link to this
I think that a mix of Prado and one of Jo Jo/ Parr/Morton would net us Swisher. ( whom I like except a little hesitant on that 2011 pricetag ( $9 mill) but if he develops as expected it could be a bargain!
Nady would take a little less being a one season rental. I wonder if the Yanks would do a Jo Jo for Nady deal heads up?
Regardless, I am happy with the Lowe and kawakami signings as it gives us an almost guarenteed 1000+ innings from the rotation (including the odd spot starts and call upsat the end of the year). This leaves very few innings to be spread around the pen.
Closer- 70 innings Setup man- 70 innings( maybe less if it’s spread between Soriano and Moylan. 6th inning-60 innings Loogy- 60 innings Long relief- 90 innings
That would leave 80-100 innings for the last two spots in the pen and that should keep the wear and tear down on our guys abig time!
i posted this yesterday but the blog was so full and Lowe was but a rumor!
By AdirondackDave
January 13, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this
Doc Holiday — Thanks, I needed that!
By Mike MIlls
January 13, 2009 10:43 PM | Link to this
Lowe by R.E.M
**Dusk is dawn is day Where did Smoltz go? I’ve been crying Fast and slow Moving in a still frame Howling at the moon Wren found me crying Up and down, down Lowe, lowe, lowe
Braves suit him fine Our defense suits him fine I’ve been so happy, happy
Way up high, high
In between
Down below
Lowe, lowe, lowe
Lowe, lowe, lowe
I skipped the part about Smoltz
It seems so silly and lowe
Lowe, lowe, lowe
Lowe, lowe, lowe
Lowe, lowe, lowe
Lowe, lowe, lowe**
By Spilled Milk
January 13, 2009 10:43 PM | Link to this
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Say you have an old car that is about to puke on you. You also changed jobs and now you have to commute 100 miles ‘round trip a day. You KNOW you need to do something about dependable transportation. So do you go out and buy that new car, the dependable one that you have to have so you can be confident you can get to work every day. OR do you wait for next years model to come out. You know, next years model, the hybrid that will get you 10 more mpg. OR..you could just put some money into the junker you got and try to nurse it along for another year until the better model comes out. I mean that might work. Or maybe you should just bite the bullet and pay for this years model even though it may not be perfect. I mean you know this years model is overpriced. It may not be nearly as good a vehicle as next years model will be but at least you can sleep at night not wondering if your car is going to start in the morning. And besides, next years model will be overpriced as well. But hey, if you buy that car now, you’re committed to that car for 4 years before you can even think about trading again. Wonder how that warranty thing works? I mean… maybe it could be a lemon? Maybe it will be the best car you ever had?
What to do?
By DCbrave
January 13, 2009 10:48 PM | Link to this
Hi DOB:
Just came to the new blog and found that almost everything including the posts are italic except your text at the beginning. Maybe it is something with my computer.
By dg
January 13, 2009 10:49 PM | Link to this
4th paragraph remove the female dog reference .
By LTBravesFan
January 13, 2009 10:50 PM | Link to this
DOB Do you like the 12 Stones? Or at least that kind of music?
By Tomas
January 13, 2009 10:50 PM | Link to this
Excellent blog DOB. Best one I’ve ever read from you, and you’ve done like a million.
From Kelly’s comments I get the feeling the Braves won’t sign Bobby Abreu or Adam Dunn. He thinks there’s going to be a platoon with Matt Diaz and Brandon Jones, which I think it’s a good idea. Diaz proved for two consecutive years he can hit left handed pitching, and believe it or not Brandon Jones provided some pretty nice at bats. The problem is, if they don’t aquire a LF, CF(Andruw doesn’t count), or a 2B(and move Kelly to left), with power they’re going to have to stick McCann in the cleanup spot again. McCann is a great hitter, but he is a catcher, he needs more rest than the others. At the end of last year it was pretty noticable he was tired. I just don’t want Infante in the cleanup spot when Mac takes a day off. Franceour wouldn’t be a good idea, for obvious reasons, and Kelly really blossom in the number two hole in front of chipper.
I like Xavier Nady, but what will the Yankees ask in return? If they agree to deal him for Jo-jo Reyes or Charlie Morton(I’d prefer they deal Jo-jo because i think Morton has a better potential), and Brandon Jones or a minor leaguer, then I think it’s worth it.
I don’t really like Nick Swisher(his reamaining contract is 3 years 21 million), I’d prefer to give Brandon Jones the job platooning with Diaz.
In the FA market there are more options. Garet Anderson is good bat, and would come very cheap. Bobby Abreu, and Adam Dunn would be awesome, but their prices are pretty steep. And Orlando Hudson who wouldn’t be a cleanup hitter, but would definitely improve this defense and offense, I think 2 years 16 million would do the trick.
I figure Nady would have a raise of about 2 million, which would make him earn 5 million.
Whatever the case is, I think they should sign Andruw Jones(to the league minimun), sign Glavine(for 1 million + incentives), and sign Will Ohman(if he agrees to his current offer). By the way DOB, why hasn’t Ohman decided yet? It’s getting pretty late.
By NEW-BEE
January 13, 2009 10:51 PM | Link to this
Does Kawakami speak any english?
By N Nine
January 13, 2009 10:53 PM | Link to this
If we cann squeeze in Ohman and another bat like Nady, then I’d call that a successful winter.
A JONES and Glavine could add some depth also…
Feels like baseball is just around the corner :)~
By GTgirl
January 13, 2009 10:53 PM | Link to this
Whats with the new look? Something special about it? Anything new?
By crispy
January 13, 2009 10:54 PM | Link to this
spilled milk:
the incentives and credit market allow for the purchase this year, not next. the money you save will make up for it. are you trying to equate this to obtaining a left fielder?
By NickB
January 13, 2009 10:57 PM | Link to this
And maybe next years model comes out and turns out to be a lemon.
i am a firm believer in getting what you can depend on to be consistent and is a known equation. ( must be the physicist in me) Unknowns and maybe’s , make me nervous. i’d rather have a 200 inning workhorse guy with a 3.5 ERA and a solid history. Than an unknown factor next year ( that we may never be able to sign). Plus, who is this model for next year? Hanson? he’s not blocked by this, when he’s ready he will pitch , if it means trading one of our starting 4 or 5 , we will trade them. i see no downside to the Lowe deal barring the 4th year… I would have rather it be an option based on the 3rd years performance. But , it’s better than 5 years of Burnett at %16 per !!!
By GSU-Lee
January 13, 2009 11:02 PM | Link to this
DOB, what is Boras like? Kinda guy you could have a beer with? The only interviews I have ever seen him in he shows his knowledge of the game but never really seems that personable.
By Ch-ch-changes
January 13, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this
I can actually say that I like these moves. Over the past few years and last year especially our rotation was decimated by injuries. Enter Lowe, Vazquez and to a lesser extent Kawakami. I really feel we have a strong rotation. Now onto adding some power in the outfield and Will Ohman(even if he wasn’t effective I’d still want him around for that Harry Carey impersonation)
By monty
January 13, 2009 11:06 PM | Link to this
Things are looking up! When Lowe has that hard sinker working he’s almost unhittable. If the Japanese guy is as good as the Braves scouts say he is, we should at least be competitive. We still can’t match Phillie’s in the hitting dept.
By CharlieAlphaBravo
January 13, 2009 11:06 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Any chance of getting a bug into that team meeting tomorrow? I imagine that would be the proverbial “beat-writer’s wet dream.” Nobody has to know except for you and all of your loyal blogomites. We can keep a secret…
By Steve McP
January 13, 2009 11:08 PM | Link to this
I know that I have said it before, but signing Ohman is now the next big deal, hopefully with the starting rotation looking stronger he will be feeling even more positive about the Braves and put pen to paper.
We are now in the unusual situation of having a great depth of major league pitching, that must also put us in a very enviable trade position when we look at getting that big bat in the OF, but from what you say DOB that big bat also needs to be able to field because we now have a rotation that is not over powering, Lowe, JJ, Vasquez and KK all pitch to contact - maybe if Andruw is in shape and is back to mobile his 10 gold gloves would be useful in CF to defend these pitchers? But will his bat give the power?
Be interesting to see th next couple of deals come through, but we are only one or two pieces from being able to compete with the Mets and Phillies this year, I bet their blogs are not happy with the Braves moves this week!
By Chief Nock A Homa
January 13, 2009 11:09 PM | Link to this
DOB: A little agitated sounding tonight… What’s that about??
I still say go get Ben Sheets now and another hitter… If Smoltzie had signed, we’d still have five guaranteed spots filled up going to spring training, so what’s the difference between it being Smoltz or Sheets - both have health issues… It seems Sheets will take the money, offered and have an even bigger upside if he stays healthy than Smoltz would have…
By Henry
January 13, 2009 11:10 PM | Link to this
What’s really startling is the sudden transformation in Frank Wren over the last, what, 72 hours? For 2+ months, everything he touched fell apart. Couldn’t close a deal, couldn’t pull the trigger, repeatedly punk’d by other GM’s and agents. Loses a Hall-of-Famer whose played here his whole career and just dying to end his career here, for gosh-sakes.
Suddenly he’s got a golden touch, makes great deals, knows just how to play with big boys like Boras after being used and abused by Arn Tellem. Why, if you didn’t know better, you’d think John Schuerholz was back in the GM’s office, calling the shots and rescuing his bungling protege and the team he’s so proudly crafted over the last two decades. Which suits me just fine, John.
By DCbrave
January 13, 2009 11:10 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the new blog DOB and especially thanks so much for your great effort of not letting the chain of blogs break during this Smoltz saga. I’ve never seen this blog, any blog for that matter, got to 1000 posts so quick and got crashed so often so fast before.
With what FW has done so far, if I have to grade him for his off season job today, I’d give him a solid B assuming the signing of Lowe will be completed on Thu or Friday.
Now I feel pretty good about the rotation of Lowe/Kawakami/JJ/Vazquez/ /, and hope Hanson can fill the blank. I pray Lowe can be twice as good as Kawakami, as their salaries indicated, and hope Kawakami can be more than half as good as Lowe.
By don
January 13, 2009 11:12 PM | Link to this
How much are the Braves paying old Kawasaki. After all, he did pitch a little over 100 innings in a 6 man rotation. Nothing like signing another overpaid dud.
By Wendell Gee
January 13, 2009 11:18 PM | Link to this
Very nice, Mike Mills. I never had that particular take on “Low”, but it certainly works.
By 81 DAYS
January 13, 2009 11:19 PM | Link to this
81 DAYS TILL OPENING NIGHT IN PHILLY… LOWE vs HAMELS??? SUNDAY NIGHT BASEBALL
By Matt the Brave
January 13, 2009 11:19 PM | Link to this
Hey RICHBRAVE, if I CAPITALIZE all of the NAMES that you did, do you THINK that it’d make me look CREDIBLE as well? NO!
I like the moves…should be a fun year. If we don’t end up getting a power-hitting outfielder at first, I still think we’re going to score a lot of runs. Manufactured runs are always more exciting anyways, at least to me!
By oldbrave
January 13, 2009 11:20 PM | Link to this
I’m going to take a break. This stuff has been to tiring for an old brave. I just need to know, what channel(s) will the braves be on. I think it’s going to be fun to WATCH EM!
By Tomahawkin
January 13, 2009 11:27 PM | Link to this
This team still needs speed and a big Bopper
Plug Dunn in the middle of Chipper And B-Macc, But wait that be one double play per game from those two…
I’d rather have Abreu penciled in between B-Macc for 2 yrs, and 20 million…I Think thats the best scenario, Don’t want another 1 year rental like Nady…
Still If we get a bat, This team has no speed to compete with the Phillies and Mets thus giving the Advantage to them in close games, obviously…
By crispy
January 13, 2009 11:27 PM | Link to this
don:
kawakami pitched 120 last year, but missed a month for the olympics and 3 weeks with an injury. that said, that a minimum of 7 starts and 40 innings. if he didnt miss any time he would be more in the 160-170 range, not bad in a 6 man rotation he was in.
By Tomahawkin
January 13, 2009 11:29 PM | Link to this
Don I believe 3yrs 23 Million…Thats a hell of a bargain in todays economical climate of overrated overpaid pitchers….
I just Hope Kawakami Doesn’t Turn out into Hideki I-ROB-U (Anyone Remember Him…?), once the league figures him out…
By Bubdylan
January 13, 2009 11:31 PM | Link to this
DOB, really good blog today. One of your best in my short time here.
By crispy
January 13, 2009 11:32 PM | Link to this
espn stat:
lowe had 1-2-3 innings 52% of the time last year. league average was 31%. thats 100 innings of chuckin.
By uga-brave
January 13, 2009 11:34 PM | Link to this
this at least gives the braves a puncher’s chance. gotta give wren some credit. brought in three starter’s, two who should at least pitch around 200 innings.
wren said they would spend the money and they did. looks a lot better then it did a week ago for sure.
i was beginning to wonder whether wren was a g.m. or just stayed at a holiday inn last night.
By 81 DAYS
January 13, 2009 11:34 PM | Link to this
Lowe will probably have 6 full days of rest until his next start; if he starts that Sunday night game in Philly and the Braves go through all 5 starters. Also something to think about, if Hanson gets the nod for the #5 spot out of spring training his first game would most likely be against the Nationals. Not a bad game for your first game in the bigs against one of the worst teams in the league last year(IF he makes the team).
Kawakami could be the Home opener starter, Probably him or Jurrijens…
By oldbrave
January 13, 2009 11:34 PM | Link to this
Yea Matt I like that style too.
By Ryan
January 13, 2009 11:35 PM | Link to this
I’ve never understood the fans who say we should scrap the team and start over with young talent.
Isn’t that what we’ve been doing?!?!?
McCann? Franceour? K Johnson? Escobar?
Am I missing something?
FWIW, those “young” Braves of 1991 had some old codgers on that roster, too. Lonnie Smith, Charlie Liebrandt anyone?
By BravesRuleAgain2009
January 13, 2009 11:36 PM | Link to this
DOB Thanks for the new blog. I am pretty excited about these signings now that my initial aggravation over the Smoltz loss is fading a little (he still didn’t look right wearing the Boston hat…but that was his choice) Any rumors about Bobby Cox’s future? Alot has been made over Lowe’s impression of Bobby Cox so my question is would he have come to Atlanta for 4 years if Cox was out after the 09 season? Also in case Frank reads the blog I would like to register a vote for trading for X. Nady for Center and J. Dye in Left. That should only cost us about 15 mil in additional salary and maybe 4 prospects that aren’t major league ready and it would also provide us with a very solid line up that would put up some runs for these 5 pitchers that will keep us in the game. Also Dye and Nady aren’t signed long term so they will provide the bridge to get to the next wave in the minor league system. Any thoughts?
By DCbrave
January 13, 2009 11:40 PM | Link to this
Hi Matt the Brave:
I remember in the good old days, whenever Richbrave addressed DOB, he would start with “DAVID O’BRIAN,” not only all capitalized, but also with an “a” instead of “e” in DOB’s last name. :-) But hey it was fun. I don’t have a problem with his capitalizing names. It is similar to bolding names, and it makes it easier and quicker to recognize the names anyway.
By Heath
January 13, 2009 11:41 PM | Link to this
How are the Lowe and Kawakami contracts structured? If they are both structured to pay less now and more later, couldn’t we still get a guy like dunn for 8-10M/year if we do the same with him?
Just curious…unless there is a no-brainer deal out there…I think that FA LFs are cheaper than trading for a LF.
By Saltywoody
January 13, 2009 11:42 PM | Link to this
Anyone know what kind of money Japanese players make in their country as opposed to the US?
Just curious.
By DCbrave
January 13, 2009 11:46 PM | Link to this
Hey 81 DAYS: Just curious: Are you planning to keep your name updated daily? :-)
By #1 Smoltz Fan
January 13, 2009 11:50 PM | Link to this
DOB nice article, sorry to see you let Mr. Wren off the hook so easy though. Bottom line he messed up teh last few months.
My opinion is he is cocky, this meeting with the players will not be the guys it will be ok, let me know how you’re feeling type of meeting. He is going to tell the players to either do it his way or hit the highway, I would bet DOB’s January paycheck on that one (sorry man, just a joke).
In regards to the signings, it is encouraging that Wren’s desperation has landed a solid #2, and #3 pitcher. I think Lowe will be decent, but he is with a new team, and will be asked to come in as a leader off the bat…..too much stress for a #2 guy in my opinion.
I think once we get to the Huddy, Lowe, Vazquez, Jurgens, Super K rotation we will be in VERY good shape!! And remember we could / will have Glav and Hanson waiting to un-seat one of these fellas when they start to slack off.
I cannot imagine the “another couple of moves” Wren is speaking of? I am assuming it is the CF and resigning of Ohmann but I cannot assume with Wren can I.
Bottom line, I am not a Wren fan at this point never will be. He is a hero in his own mind, he let it be known at Baltimore and he has shown it here. Let;s not give the man too much credit, you could have went to any sports website in the last minth and determined Lowe was the best thing out there…..he could have gotten 100M if he pressed, Wren had NO OTHER OPTION. And Super K, well there is no crystal ball but from what I understand that was the superstar Braves scouts that made the determination, Wren just signed the big check
DOB any word on the Super K shoulder soreness, and back issues from last year? I think he was only out a couple weeks, but is it any concern?
Thanks DOB for another great read.
By Eric from MO
January 13, 2009 11:50 PM | Link to this
Nick,”Oh, there is also the fact that he’s an elite competitor with a mutant healing ability who could have given the Braves 15 wins this season.”
He is already going to miss the first half of the season. So you think he is going to go undefeated??? Your an idiot.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 13, 2009 11:50 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Thanks for going above and beyond, as usual.
crispy
That 1-2-3 stat is money.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 13, 2009 11:54 PM | Link to this
Once the Lowe signing is finalized, you gotta believe (sorry, Anders — nah, not really) Wren will be burning up the phone lines with Cashman for Nady or Swisher and Kenny Willliams for Dye.
Each team says it has a hole to fill — the Yanks for a utility player like a Prado, the ChiSox for pitching prospects, not even big league ready ones.
We can do either. I believe the LF power gap will be filled soon enough.
By Eric from MO
January 13, 2009 11:58 PM | Link to this
DOB I know you are a busy man, but can you please take this off italics. It starts hurtin your eyes after awhile.
By Columbusbuckeye
January 14, 2009 12:02 AM | Link to this
This team is heading in the right direction. I think Wren has done a hell of a job this off season. It sucks to let Smoltz go, but then again I like the foundation of this squad. They could be a lot of fun to watch this season.
By #1 Smoltz Fan
January 14, 2009 12:02 AM | Link to this
2006 Kawakami resigned with the dragons for an annual salary of 340 million yen which at todays exchange rate is 3.8M US Dollars.
By GTgirl
January 14, 2009 12:04 AM | Link to this
DOB - say the Braves sign Glavine and he pitches all year and holds down the fifth spot in the rotation. If Hudson comes back in August what do you see happening to the pitching staff?
By DCbrave
January 14, 2009 12:04 AM | Link to this
Eric: I thought it is my computer’s problem. So you saw everything in italics too?
By #1 Smoltz Fan
January 14, 2009 12:08 AM | Link to this
Eric from MO
Are you seeing the blog in italics? If so I do not, may want to check your settings.
Just trying to be helpful.
By crispy
January 14, 2009 12:14 AM | Link to this
at least 1 of the kids should get a shot at the outfield instead of another rent-a-centerfielder. how many times are we going to go through this?
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:14 AM | Link to this
Heath, in response to your 11:41 that tends to get teams in trouble. Next offseason or the following we may want some cap room so we can go get someone. Also makes it alot harder to trade those players later on if you want. Im not saying your idea is dumb, just I wouldnt do it.
By crispy
January 14, 2009 12:16 AM | Link to this
1 29:i got the same problem but now its only the comments. which settings to you recommend changing?
By UGA75
January 14, 2009 12:17 AM | Link to this
DOB, Your usual great blog. IMHO you are among if not the best in all of baseball.
I do not share your view of Frank “I hate old stars” Wren. When you consider how he treated Ripken, and now Smoltz, and even how I’ll bet he gets rid of Chipper at or before the trade deadline; it is difficult to judge the man fairly. From everything the Oriole fans have told me he likes to be the headline, bad or good, just as long as he gets the ink. I love the Braves however they are constucted, I just don’t think we need an ego maniac for a GM.
I hope I’m wrong, but remember Mr. Wren said all we posters to your blog are not representative of the average fan, Dealing with double negatives now, does that mean we as a group are right or wrong?
I may disagree with your opinion of Frank Wren, but not much else of substance, Good Nite Dave.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 12:21 AM | Link to this
everything is in itallics and bolded..looks like a lot of people yelling in here…
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:22 AM | Link to this
1 Smoltz Fan,”In regards to the signings, it is encouraging that Wren’s desperation has landed a solid #2, and #3 pitcher.”Smoltz fan I am going to list 16 teams that Lowe would be the number 1 pitcher for. On top of that there are a few more that you could argue but Im going to list 16 teams out of the other 29 teams that Lowe would be the number one guy. Now how is he only a number 2. He is a current number one guy. Hate to burst your bubble but pitching is not what it used to be.
Oakland, Texas, Anaheim, Detriot, Kansas City, White Sox, Twins, Baltimore, Dodgers, Colorado, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Reds, Milwaukee, Washington, and Florida.
By amorrow
January 14, 2009 12:22 AM | Link to this
what is up with all the bold text - it sucks to read.
By Chop Chop
January 14, 2009 12:22 AM | Link to this
crispy,
Hell, Wren just spent a bunch of money on veteran starters when our farm system is apparently stocked with good starting pitching talent. He might as well go get a veteran OF who can help the team win now.
By mitchie-san
January 14, 2009 12:22 AM | Link to this
What happened to the text?
By brent a.
January 14, 2009 12:23 AM | Link to this
Jodie Meeks - 54 points - enters the POY discussion.
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:25 AM | Link to this
Yeah, DCBrave. I dont think its my setting because DOB’s article is fine and a couple others are saying the same thing. Also I went to another blog and it was fine there.
By crispy
January 14, 2009 12:26 AM | Link to this
just opened it up with firefox, resolved the problem
By Chop Chop
January 14, 2009 12:27 AM | Link to this
Eric from MO,
If you are seeing the blog in italics, could it be that all of our comments are just a schizophrenic’s thoughts being described in a third-rate novel written by a drunken hack?
Could it be…?
By jtb
January 14, 2009 12:28 AM | Link to this
1 Smoltz FanSo if Wren is cocky, then what would you call Smoltz? He’s a 41 year old pitcher coming off a season ending shoulder surgery. The Braves were counting on him to perform for them last year and he let them down while earning $14 million. He then turns down the Braves offer, which assuming he were to actually be healthy next season, he would be earning roughly the same amount he could earn with the Red Sox. Then Smoltz goes on to tell everyone how devastated he is to be leaving. The man has PLENTY of money. If it meant THAT MUCH to him then he would have stayed. He then said cute stuff like, “Age is just a number.” His salary is just a number as well, but apparently that number seems to matter more than age. I’m a huge Smoltz fan with many jerseys and plan to cheer him this year if I get the chance, but I’m a Braves fan first and I don’t think that giving him 5 million up front would have made any sense for the team. I also think that Wren’s meeting with the players is an attempt to get everyone on the same page because it has been such an eventful offseason.
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:31 AM | Link to this
UGA75,”hope I’m wrong, but remember Mr. Wren said all we posters to your blog are not representative of the average.”
I dont know why everyone is upset about this. Face it, we are not the average fan. The average fan doesnt blog everyday, especially when the season is 3 months away. He didnt insult our intelligence, he just meant the average fan isnt constantly freaking out as most on here our. Hell, when the World Series ended many were freaking out cause we hadnt gotten a pitcher yet. Now we have 3.
Dixie Dawg, doesnt it normally look like many are yelling.lol
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 12:32 AM | Link to this
I didn’t know Jurrgens was represented by Boras…that’s interesting.
It makes me feel better knowing that uberagent Boras was talking the Braves up to Lowe.
are the people who said they wouldn’t go to another Braves game still going to boycott?
I hope not.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 12:34 AM | Link to this
Crispy
You must have Edubuntu, don’t you?
By Bubdylan
January 14, 2009 12:34 AM | Link to this
jtb, here here. Or is it hear hear? I can never remember.
By cabravesfan
January 14, 2009 12:36 AM | Link to this
relax about the text guys- whomever codes the blog simply forgot to put an “end command” in there somewhere…happens to me all the time. I’m sure it will be fixed after our fearless leader gets some much needed sleep…
Doesn’t much matter to me if signing Lowe was a “panic” move- it was a good one. He was far and away the best pitcher on the free agent market and after losing Smoltz Wren needed to make a big move- makes me feel much better about our rotation for this year.
By crispy
January 14, 2009 12:37 AM | Link to this
chop chop,
i know you know better than to rely solely on kids that aren’t proven yet. i think if you only take 1 kid and plug him in, whether its SP or other position, the veterans around him can support his growing pains. plugging 3 kids in the SP is far more risky than 3 kids in the field, IMO.
By BA
January 14, 2009 12:39 AM | Link to this
uga75, I took that comment to mean that bloggers (and sports radio callers) are MORE than the average fan. I certainly don’t think he meant an insult, just that the average fan isn’t passionate enough to blog or call in like we do.
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:41 AM | Link to this
Oh, I’m sorry Chop Chop. I didn’t know you won the Nobel Prize for your blogging.
By crispy
January 14, 2009 12:41 AM | Link to this
dixie dawg:
not that i know of. this prob happened once the other day, then corrected, then started again with this new blog, but the old blog was fine (except when we burned up the server).
once i switched to mozilla everything is normal
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:46 AM | Link to this
BA I completely agree with your 12:39 post. I don’t think it was an insult.
By ObiWanKobe
January 14, 2009 12:47 AM | Link to this
DOB, Good call w/ “Big in Japan”. I would have gone with Liz Phair’s cover of “Turning Japanese”, or maybe some dialog from that Michael Keaton 80’s movie “Gung-Ho”. Also would be interesting to see a chart comparing the # of posts when “things are going wrong” vs “right”. I’d wager it’s at least 5 to 1 w/ negative getting the bigger #. FYI, the L.A. media is giving little heed to the Lowe signing. The one funny thing I did hear on the radio is, maybe Lowe’s wife who worked for Fox Sports West out here, may be able to get a job at Fox Sports Crunk, or Fox Sports Dirty South. Sorry, but that’s what I heard.
By N8
January 14, 2009 12:55 AM | Link to this
Why is everybody (including me) yelling at each other?
Stop the bold faced madness! The next thing you know, PEOPLE WILL BE TYPING IN ALL CAPS AND USING MULTIPLE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!
By Tomas
January 14, 2009 12:56 AM | Link to this
Right now I think the Braves have a good chance of winning the division, but they do not have the best team. They depend on Franceour bouncing back, Kotchman and Kelly having good years, and avoiding big injuries. As of right now believe it or not I think they have the best rotation(in the nl east), and if Soriano and Moylan comeback healthy next year the best bulpen.
Braves Rotation:
Wow there is a lot of depth.
Mets Rotation:
I prefer the Braves rotation.
Phillies Rotation:
I’d give the edge to the Braves.
Marlins Rotation:
Tough choice, this rotation can really be strong, but they lack depth, and Anibal Sanchez isn’t that good(he might be sent back to the minors in my opinion).
Nationals Rotation:
I like Shawn Hill, John Lannan, Collin Balester, and Shairon Martis. Scott Olsen stats look good, but to me he is just another Chuck James. Daniel Cabrera hits more batters than any pitcher I’ve ever seen, not to mention walks and wild pitches. Shawn Hill can’t seem to stay healthy, but he is good when he is healthy. But comparing this rotation to the others, there is just no comparison.
By cmac1919
January 14, 2009 12:57 AM | Link to this
So Derek Lowe’s not going to take his physical until Thursday? D@mn, that means im going to spend all day tomorrow worrying if something’s going to backfire. (I’m still scared to death that I’m going to wake up tomorrrow and see that “the rumor’s been shot down” or something like that)
This whacked off-season got my mind all messed up.
By Pessimistic Braves Fan
January 14, 2009 12:58 AM | Link to this
You bloggers can spin and blog all you desire on the Braves recent acquisitions. The truth is the Braves will finish fourth again in the NL East. For the fourth staight season, no post season for the Braves. Anyone desire to make a bet on my pessimism?
By Cameron in NC
January 14, 2009 1:08 AM | Link to this
My Predictions of Position By Position Teams in the NL East In The 2009 Season!!
1st Baseman
1. Ryan Howard - Philadelphia Phillies
2. Carlos Delgado - New York Mets
5. Casey Kotchman - Atlanta Braves
4. Jorge Cantu - Florida Marlins
5. Nick Johnson - Washington Nationals
I think that Ryan Howard will, like always be the best 1st baseman in the NL East. Carlos Delgado is getting up there in age but last year he had 38 HRs and 115 RBIs, so I think if he keeps that up he will be the 2nd best. Jorge Cantu puts up good numbers but I think Casey Kotchman will get used to the NL and be a very good overall 1st baseman, and produce good HR numbers and good RBI numbers. But you could flip Cantu and Kotchman, but I think Kotchman will produce this year. Also it being his first full season and he will be used to all the Braves players around him.
2nd Baseman
1. Chase Utley - Philadelphia Phillies
2. Kelly Johnson - Atlanta Braves
3. Dan Uggla - Florida Marlins
4. Ronnie Belliard - Washington Nationals
5. Luis Castillo - New York Mets
Well I think Utley will be the best 2nd Baseman, because hes probably the best 2nd baseman in the majors. But I think Johnson will have a great year hitting wise and fielding. The way he finished off last season was great. You leave him down in the order where he can feel comfortable and produce and I think he will. He has prower but what I think he will be really good at next year is driving in the runners on base and hit a lot of doubles, as he has great gap power. Dan Uggla is a great player and one of the best 2nd baseman, and you could flip him and Johnson, But I just think Johnson will have a great year, and have a high OBP.
3rd Baseman
1. David Wright - New York Mets
2. Chipper Jones - Atlanta Braves
3. Ryan Zimmerman - Washington Nationals
4. Pedro Feliz - Philadelphia Phillies
5. Wes Helms - Florida
You could put Chipper or Wright 1st, and im one of the biggest Chipper fans in the world but when you add the 30+ HRs and the 100+ RBIs with the .300+ average, I think you have to put Wright 1st. Chipper can hit a lot of homerun, and he can have a lot of RBIs but what puts him up there on the top is the .360+ average with the high OBP, and all that. Two of the two greatest 3rd basemen in the majors. And Zimmerman down are ok but it drops off a lot from Wright and Jones.
Shortstop
1. Hanley Rameriz - Florida Marlins
2. Yunel Escobar - Atlanta Braves
3. Jose Reyes - Mew York Mets
4. Jimmy Rollins - Philadelphia Phillies
5. Cristian Guzman - Washinton Nationals
In my opinion Rameriz is the best SS in the NL East. When you put his HR totals and RBI totals with the SB totals and average you get a 5 tool player. Now I know Rollins and Reyes are really great players, they have top of the order speed anyone would want on thier team. They can hit homeruns, drive in RBIs. But this year my money is on Escobar to really show what he can do. Escobar has average to little above average speed, but he is so strong, way stronger than the other two, that I think he will be a around 20 if not a little over 20 HRs this year. Also he could become a gold glove shortstop with that arm and range. Also Escobar plays hard, he thinks, like the time the pitcher was tieing his shoes and he stole 2nd. I think ths kid will have a great season this year. High Hopes.
Left Field
1. Trade/Free Agent - Atlanta Braves
2. Raul Ibanez - Philadelphia Philles
3. Cody Ross - Florida Marlins
4. Josh Willingham - Washington Nationals
5. Daniel Murphy - New York Mets
Im still hoping but I think the braves will trade for a left fielder or sign one that will be much better than any left fielder in the division. Raul Ibanez is good, and he could be number uno, but with all the power hitters left on the FA market and all the talent the Braves have in the minor league they can trade for a great fielder(Nady, Swisher, Dunn, Etc). I think if the Braves get a left fielder it will be a better one than any other NL East team. If they dont trade for a left fielder or sign one, them you can put them 4th or 5th in the division. But if they sign or trade for one I think it will be a good player.
Center Field
Carlos Beltran - New York Mets
Andruw Jones/Jordon Schafer - Atlanta Braves
Lastings Milledge - Washington Nationals
Shane Victorino - Philadelphia Phillies
Cameron Maybin - Florida Marlins
Now center field I have to put Beltran 1st because hes a great player with very good HR, RBI, AVG totals. And you may be schocked but I put Andruw Jones 2nd if they do sign him, because hes gone nowhere, hes being released, he has something to prove. In that video on the Atlanta news, he looks slimmer and he dont have that smile, he looks serious. Hes been working out with Chipper and McCann, and I think he will let Chipper teach him something about hitting. I think Andruw will be the comeback player of the year. And if its not Jones and its Schafer I still think he can be better than Milladge, Victorino, and Maybin. Once again High Expectations.
Right Field
Jeff Francoeur - Atlanta Braves
Jason Werth - Philadelphia Phillies
Ryan Church - New York Mets
Jeremy Hermida - Florida Marlins
Elijah Dukes - Washington Nationals
In right field I think Francoeur will do what he said and never have a year like he did last year. I think he will have a 20+ HR, 100+ RBI year. Last year was a fluke for Jeff and this year he will be the best right fielder in the division. Jason Werth is good and puts up 20+ HRs and good RBI totals but I just think Francoeur will rebound and be a really good player we all thought he would be.
Starting Pitchers
1. Derek Lowe, Jair Jurrjens, Javier Vasquez, Kenshin Kawakami, Tommy Hanson - Atlanta Braves
2. Johan Santanta, John Maine, Mike Pelfrey, Tim Redding, Oliver Perez - New York Mets
3. Cole Hamels, Bret Myers, Jamie Moyer, Joe Blanton, Kyle Kendrick - Philadelphia Phillies
4. Ricky Nolasco, Josh Johnson, Chris Volstad, Andrew Miller, Anibal Sanchez - Florida Marlins
5. John Lannan, Scott Olson, Daniel Cabrera, Shawn Hill, Cillin Balester - Washington Nationals
Pitching Pitching Pitching. I think the Braves have the best rotation in the NL east. Since signing Lowe, that gives them a great rotation. The Mets and the Phillies have the best ACE. But after that all they have are qestions. Can Bret Myers be good, can John Maine rebound, Jamie Moyer etc. Jiar Jurrjens is the best number two in the division in my opinion. I think Javier Vasquez will be the best number 3. I think Kenshin Kawakami will be a good player and be a good solid number 4. And I think Tommy Hanson will be in the majors SOON if not from day one. He is a ACE to be, and he might even become as close as a number 3 this season. I have HIGH expectations for Hanson and I think he will show it.
Division
1. Atlanta Braves
2. Philadelphia Phillies
3. New York Mets 5. Washington Nationals
Thats my predictions for the 2009 Season. I am 18 and I am a huge Braves fan. These may not happen and I may just be dreaming. But I love baseball and these are my predictions. =]
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 1:11 AM | Link to this
Tomas, I agree with you that the Braves have some question marks. The Braves have the best rotation and their bullpin can be just as good as the Mets. The Mets offense has a lot of questions with Delgado and Beltran getting old. The Phillies have a far better offense but their rotation after Hamels, is just plain aweful. Moyer is the only other good starter they have and eventually he is going to just be old. Their bullpin also isnt as good as the Braves. I think this year the Braves will actually keep up with the Phils and Mets. The past years their ifs have been can they stay healthy and that should be a non-issue this year.
By Chop Chop
January 14, 2009 1:12 AM | Link to this
Eric from MO,
I was including myself as one of the schizophrenic’s thoughts, dude. Just an attempt at goofy humor. (I haven’t seen all the crazy font stuff. I’ve been using Firefox the whole time.)
crispy,
The Braves can trade some of the young pitching further down the pipe for a good veteran outfielder. The rotation has plenty of arms now. Lowe, Vazquez, and Kawakami are all under contract for at least two seasons. Jurrjens will be in the rotation for some time to come. If Hudson’s option is picked up, there sure won’t be many obvious openings on the horizon for starter slots.
(Just for the record, Kawakami ain’t a kid. Jurrjens doesn’t pitch like a kid. The only rookie I can see cracking the rotation this year is Hanson. The offense needs an upgrade. Left field seems to be the easiest place to slot an offensive upgrade into.)
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 1:26 AM | Link to this
Who is all a lock for the bullpen? I know of Gonzo, Soriano, Moylan, and probably Boyer. The only reason I ask is basically 4 spots in the rotation are locked up, barring injury, with Lowe, Vazquez, JJ, and Kawakami. The 5th spot is between Jo Jo(honestly hopes he dont make the team), Morton, Campillo, and Glavine if he is signed and possibly Hanson. My guess is Hanson gets it from the beginning unless Glavine is signed. So what happens to the other guys? Do they go to the bullpen or back to the minors?
By GermanBravesFan
January 14, 2009 1:35 AM | Link to this
Did DOB really write “b***” in his blog? I almost spilled my coffee this morning when I read this… lol.
I feel a lot better now about the Braves’ rotation, but I would feel a lot better with a John Smoltz in there!
By Tomas
January 14, 2009 1:44 AM | Link to this
Cameron in NC, I like the way you think, I just think that because you are a Braves fan like you may be impartial. I agree on you with Franceour, he is going to rebound, I just don’t think he will hit 20 HR and 100 RBI’s. Maybe 15 HR 85 RBI’s and a 260 AVG, playing great defense. I’d put Jayson Werth as the best right fielder in the national league east.
I also disagree with you on center field. Yes Andruw Jones looks great, had his knee fixed, looked serious, and looked to be in great shape. But Victorino is the second best center fielder on the nl east, and you can’t argue with that. And Raul Ibañez is the best left fielder in the nl east unless the Braves sign Adam Dunn, or Bobby Abreu. If they trade for Xavier Nady they would have the second best left fielder in the division.
I agree with everything else you said.
By Chop Chop
January 14, 2009 1:45 AM | Link to this
Eric from MO,
My guess is that Campillo will go to the bullpen. Jo-Jo and/or Morton have “Trade Me” on their foreheads, although I doubt both of them will be moved.
As for Glavine, I don’t think he’ll be back. It just doesn’t make much sense to me with the way the rotation is set up.
As long as he pitches well in the spring, I think your guess about Hanson being in the rotation is correct.
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 1:57 AM | Link to this
Yeah Chop Chop I agree that I dont think Glavine will be back, but if he makes it back and will settle for a 1 million plus incentatives, would the Braves say no? He has already stated its the Braves or nobody.
By braves fan 4 life
January 14, 2009 2:14 AM | Link to this
Hey DOB, Do you think there is a chance that the braves make a trade for both jermaine dye and xavier nady. To my recollection nady can play centerfield. if they do this and resign ohman i think they would be serious contenders.
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 14, 2009 2:16 AM | Link to this
Yes, the pitching is much improved. But ya’ll don’t go making the mistake of over valuing our group of starters. Chipper thinks that Derek Lowe is an ACE. I disagree. I would define Lowe as either a number two or three starter.
Hudson is an ACE, his career winning percentage is .655. Derek Lowe is nowhere near that at .541. Make no mistake, Lowe is a workhorse, but he is also just eight games over .500 during the last five years at 68-60.
Javier Vasquez makes my stomach turn. I despise underachievers. He is an inning eater, nothing more.
Kenshin Kawakami is an unknown commodity. Generally speaking, Japanese pitchers are mechanically sound and the Braves have done their homework. I’m sure he will do well, but there will be an adjustment period where he will have to get past the learning curve of of big league hitters.
Tommy Glavine want’s to pitch. I want him to pitch. Will he? I have no idea.
The Braves do have depth built into the starting pitching, but we were saying the same thing this time last season. Good health is needed if the Braves pitching is to have any chance at success.
Frank Wren has done nothing to improve an absolutely wretched offense. I don’t care what anybody says, the outfield is an embarrassment when it comes to offensive output.
Case in point: 2008, 27 HR’s and 212 RBI.
Compare that to 2007: 59 HR’s and 276 RBI
2006: 87 HR’s and 298 RBI
2005: 89 HR’s and 293 RBI. The numbers have been spiraling downward for four straight seasons with no end in sight.
I’m not even going to get into my feelings concerning Bobby Cox other than to say his retirement is long overdue.
The Braves pitching is solid if unspectacular. The defense is adequate followed by a solid bench and promising bullpen.
Simply put, the Braves need a dominant offense to back all that up and it is nonexistent as of right now. Atlanta has no running game to speak of, nor do they know how to manufacture enough runs. The 2009 Braves are an incomplete team as we speak.
Only time, roster adjustments and some sorely needed changes in coaching will allow for our Braves to be competitive again.
By Cameron in NC
January 14, 2009 2:18 AM | Link to this
I dont know in 2006 Francoeur hit 29 Bombs and had 103 RBIs. And in 2007 he hit 19 Bombs and 105 RBIs. I dont see why he couldnt go back to that potential. In 2005 he hit 14 homeruns in only 254 at bats. Also, Jason Werth is good and hit 24 homeruns and 64 RBIs last year but hes played 6 seasons and hes only had 2 years with over 8 homeruns. And only one year with more that 48 RBIs(last year). Also in LF, your right Nady isnt better than Ibanez. But if we got Dunn, Dye, or one of them power hitters we will be better. Overall, I think the Braves will be better because of thier pitching.
By drumzalicious
January 14, 2009 2:46 AM | Link to this
anyone know exactly how the grass affects the ball?
By BA
January 14, 2009 3:03 AM | Link to this
Nice post, Cameron in NC. But NO WAY is Escobar rated above Reyes. I can’t stand Reyes, and I think Esco is a superior defensive player. But that element of speed gives Reyes a certain edge.
drumzalicious, I think the theory is that taller grass slows the ball down, like if you have a lot of groundball pitchers (like Lowe) or if you have a lot of speed guys that want to try and drag bunts down the line.
By Bubdylan
January 14, 2009 3:05 AM | Link to this
“anyone know exactly how the grass affects the ball?”
Smoking too much of it will make it shrink. Both, actually.
By KC
January 14, 2009 3:08 AM | Link to this
Coach: D.Lowe has averaged 15 wins with ERA of 3.58 over the past 4 years (since making the move to the NL).
Those are NOT the numbers of of “number 2 or 3” starter. He’s not Santana… He’s a second tier ace…but an ace.
By BA
January 14, 2009 3:12 AM | Link to this
DOB, (at your leisure) would Glavine consider goint to the pen? Semi stupid question, I know- but eric from mo raises a good point. There’s certainly not a shortage of starters.
I don’t think (much to my chagrin) that Hanson will make the rotation from pitching well this spring- unless Morton and Reyes really get lit up all spring, and maybe not even then. Reyes and particularly Morton are a little young to give up on.
By Greene Hornet
January 14, 2009 3:13 AM | Link to this
All I know is that I was a Braves Fan before Smoltz was here, during his times here, and will be a fan even though he is gone. I will be there opening day and as much as I can whenever I can save up the money. I love my Bulldogs, Falcons, Hawks, etc but the Braves are first in my heart and I hope others who feel this way will support them as well. We may not like all the moves or even understand what’s going on behind closed doors, but even if you don’t like the people or the process, support the name “Atlanta Braves” and that tomahawk across those players chests.
Thanks DOB for all your reporting on the Bravos…keep up the excellent work. I can’t wait till it warms up and for it to be time for baseball again…
By BA
January 14, 2009 3:20 AM | Link to this
Wow, that’s the first time I’ve seen Bubdylan bomb! Keep your head up, Bub- happens to the best of them.
Coach, if amassing 127 wins in the Major Leagues is “underachieving”, then what was Mad Dog- average?!
Can Wren cook something up for Spilbourghs? Or Ludwick…Dunn is a walking K. Maybe we could send St Louis the next Wainwright for him.
By T-Bone
January 14, 2009 3:22 AM | Link to this
Camerin in NC, what are you smokin’ and gimme some of that! Frenchy the best RF in the NL East? Escobar over Reyes? Dude, you ARE dreaming. I like your dream though. Also, the Lowe signing is great and the rotation looks very solid, certainly much improved to 2008. Still, Lowe is no “ace”. He’s a solid #2 guy. But I’m not complaining. I miss Smoltz!
By Walter Sobchek
January 14, 2009 3:22 AM | Link to this
OVER THE LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By nolie
January 14, 2009 3:30 AM | Link to this
three years and $25 mill for Kawakami
Wow. That is a lot more than I expected it to be. Efrim
It’s about what I heard it would be. I’m not so sure that he isn’t the one the Braves overpaid for more than Lowe, though. I have a friend who lives in Japan who is still a part-time scout who is not all that impressed with him. He thinks he will be a 4 or 5 in the show. I’m interested in seeing how well KK pitches.
By Bubdylan
January 14, 2009 3:35 AM | Link to this
“Wow, that’s the first time I’ve seen Bubdylan bomb!”
Damn. What makes it bad is I laughed at it. Out loud.
Could be the Corona. Night.
By nolie
January 14, 2009 3:48 AM | Link to this
if Kawakami gives the Braves similar production to what Hiroki Kuroda gave the Dodgers last season, than 8 million is worth it. I’ve heard a lot of comparisons of Kuroda and Kawakami, so that is why I brought it up. Efrim
as i understand it their numbers were similar in Japan but KK pitched in a much more pitcher-friendly park than Kuroda did. KK seems to have a very straight fastball, his biggest strength will be his cutter and the very large difference in speed in his pitches
By Andruw Jones
January 14, 2009 4:12 AM | Link to this
I’m going to be back with the Braves in ‘09, doing CF action.
By tbhawksfan
January 14, 2009 4:56 AM | Link to this
Andersen/Scaefer will add speed to the top of the lineup. Esco also has good speed.
We won’t have a fast team, but a team with good over-all speed. We won’t have the most dominant pitching, but should have a very good team era. We won’t have too much power (even with an Abreu), but should have a very good BA, and at least decent runs scored. Defense should be very nice.
I really like the look of the Braves. Great rebuilding job. Good, solid team, young players with great potential not too far off…
It looks like we’ve been able to move past the past and now have a team that should be referred to more in the future tense than in the past tense.
By Bobby's Cox
January 14, 2009 4:59 AM | Link to this
Wren has done exceptionally well this offseason. Like DOB pointed out, I would’ve been one of those fans upset for trading Hanson/Gorkys for Peavy and his questionable elbow.
Burnett and Furcal weren’t Wren’s fault, and laying off Peavy was the right thing to do.
Wren has made it possible for future Japanese players to consider Atlanta, and maybe has rekindled any kind of love lost between Boras and the Braves.
I’m looking forward to the day Yu Jarvish comes to the US, and now Atlanta could be a possibility.
The meeting Wren has called is purely professionalism and should get these guys excited about the new season.
Well done frank. You’ve done a good job building a rotation and keeping intact the strong core of minor league talent.
I feel good about being a braves fan again. Now trade for Nelson Cruz and be done with this damned offseason.
By Bobby's Cox
January 14, 2009 5:43 AM | Link to this
Kenshin Kawakami is an unknown commodity. Generally speaking, Japanese pitchers are mechanically sound and the Braves have done their homework. I’m sure he will do well, but there will be an adjustment period where he will have to get past the learning curve of of big league hitters. Coach
Coach, you are overly pessimistic. Normally i would respect your post, whether i agree or disagree, but that paragraph brings your pessimism to borderline hatred of this team. Seriously, are u still a braves fan?
Normally, pitchers excel against hitters who haven’t seen them before. Nomo, Park, Dice-K, and all the young pitchers the Braves have EVER faced, have all done well because their unfamiliarity was detrimental to hitters.
If you’re willing to spin what should be Kawakami’s biggest asset in his first year and conjugate it to fit the rest of your cynical ideology that was your post and all your posts as of late, then i must ask you, are you seriously still a braves fan?
By fansince66
January 14, 2009 6:02 AM | Link to this
Forget about getting Andruw or signing a big bat. Go with Anderson in CF and leadoff and Blanco/Diaz in LF and see what you have. Don’t forget about Schafer in the mix also. 60-70 stolen bases in the leadoff spot should make up for a lack of a bona-fide clean up batter. Speed kills.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 6:35 AM | Link to this
new-bee: You asked whether Kawakami speaks English. Very little, but he understands a lot more than he says, I’m told by those who spent time in past few days around him.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 6:37 AM | Link to this
Again, just to clarify: It was about $23 mill for Kawakami, not $25 mill. Couple hours after reporting the $25 mill figure yesterday, I corrected it. Got a small bonus and just over $7 mill per year, and it’s not backloaded or anything like that.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 6:40 AM | Link to this
braves fan 4 life: no, can’t see them trading for Dye AND Nady. Nady, possibly, but Dye’s remaining contract’s a bit steep now, considering what they’ve spent this winter and also what Sox want in return. Also, Braves prefer strong, or at least solid, defensive OF if they can get it.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 6:48 AM | Link to this
OK, I’m dragging my butt to the dentist’s office. a drill awaits.
By Elmer
January 14, 2009 7:10 AM | Link to this
Lowe was great 5 years ago, but he cost too much today. I’m reminded of Hampton’s big contract and low production.
By HTF
January 14, 2009 7:11 AM | Link to this
DOB, What’s chances do you give Andruw of being back in a Braves uniform? And do you think he’d be best served as a CF showing Schafer the ropes or just getting out of the way and playing LF?
By ernesto
January 14, 2009 7:14 AM | Link to this
My sister used to live in Japan (outside of Tokyo) and we visited for a few weeks. She told me lots of Japanese people that speak relatively decent English are hesitant to speak English to English speakers because they’re worried they will mangle the language and give offense.
So, consequently, we were understood more than we were spoken to during our visit.
With they young talent in the OF we have in the minors maybe a rent-a-Nady wouldn’t be a bad thing - provided we don’t give up too much for him…but, now, that’s the problem isn’t it?
If nothing else, los Bravos have certainly given us reason to stay tuned to the Spring Training reports.
DOB - do you think the Braves would have signed all 3 pitchers if we kept Smoltz? I know they weren’t “counting” on him, but would his contract affected this current rotation?
By Maniac is accurate
January 14, 2009 7:20 AM | Link to this
Actually, I think it would take an explosion to send the tissue flying. But, whatever. I’m happy with the moves and also sad Smoltz left. Unless the Braves are lying though, I think they offered a good deal for someone who may or may not be able to pitch. Does it make sense to offer someone an extra $3 million under the circumstances? Yes, I know the circumstances include that he’s a hall of famer and Mr. Brave to a generation. But he’s been paid well over $100 million for that.
Anyway, hope your teeth feel better and you get some rest. You, DOB, do a really good job.
By Jim
January 14, 2009 7:22 AM | Link to this
DOB:
I have commented on need for a LH starting pitcher, but, on review, both Lowe and Jurrgens had lower ‘08 ERAs against LHP than against RHP. Lowe’s splits (LH/RH) were 2.58 and 3.81. After All-Star Game, Lowe’s ERA was 2.38. Jurrgens’ splits were 3.35 and 4.03. Jurrgens jumped from 3.00 (before) to 4.66 ERA after All-Star Game. Tired? Vazquez’s batter splits were 5.31/4.03, so better against RH batters. So, maybe not a crying need for a LH starting pitcher.
Think Hanson will make starting rotation once season is under way. Lots of open dates and rain outs in Spring so no need to keep him on bench out of every 5th day routine until some time in May. DOB, is there a date during year when a player - if he does not come to Majors before that date - remains a non-Free Agent for one more year? Wonder if that will figure as important in Hanson’s case. If I were FW, I would think about that - since every player is a rental player to some extent anymore.
Dye v. Nady. Both very good hitters and quality people. Dye would cost 11.5 in ‘09 and 12 (mutual option) in ‘10. Given this year’s market for OFs, one would assume Dye would still be a FA after ‘09 - in hopes of extending his contranct another few years - even if B’s would exercise. Nady will cost about 5MM in ‘09. Fits the budget, but leaves B’s wondering for ‘10. But heck, they are going to be wondering about Francoeur, Schafer, Anderson and A & B Jones, anyway, so who cares - get him in trade. Schafer only minor league Brave likely to make ML team by ‘10, anyway, so B’s likely to be in rent-an-OF market anyway next winter.
Swisher’s highest average in Majors was only .262 with 22 HRs. Not sure he’s that much added value over Diaz/B. Jones platoon. Get Nady.
By BO......
January 14, 2009 8:02 AM | Link to this
THE roster is taken shape. LOOKS great if your a G.M. Now you have a lot of tradeable major leaugh players. Doesnt seem CAMPILLO is is getting any credit for his steller year. we would have lost 100 games w/o him. O.K. If we trade for a bat someone has to go from the bench. DIAZ,BLANCO,ANDERSON,B.JONES or NORTON and CAMPILLO,REYES,PARR,or MORTON. Can not really sign a free agent. We need to add by subtracting 2 or 3 for 1. If A. jones is back I suggest we wait till after spring training to trade. THE TRIPPLE AAAAAAAAA ……. ROTATION COULD BE BEST EVER. WOW……..
By John
January 14, 2009 8:08 AM | Link to this
TEst.
By T
January 14, 2009 8:15 AM | Link to this
Lowe and Kawakami do not change my (exceedingly low) opinion of Frank Wren one bit. If Wren’s treatment of Smoltz is any indication, we can expect Tom Glavine never to pitch for the Braves again and come 2010 Chipper will no longer be our third baseman. But it’s all ok cause “it’s all about money” right? Yup, baseball is a business and nuthin matters but money.
By The Love Child of Dale Murphy and Johnny Cash
January 14, 2009 8:22 AM | Link to this
DOB:
I noticed in an earlier blog that you did not return your HOF ballot. Do you have an issue with the HOF voting procedure?
By SOXSFAN
January 14, 2009 8:23 AM | Link to this
LOVE ME SOME D-LOWE……..here is what Bostons”Inside Track” is saying…
The Track Shack is draped in black today after news that ex-Red Sox [team stats] party boy - and Naked City All-Star - Derek Lowe will go to the Atlanta Braves.
Call us crazy, but we just can’t imagine that John Smoltz is going to light up our lives in quite the same way that Derek did!
The erstwhile Fenway bad boy, bad husband and lounge lizard extraordinaire was a one-man gossip machine during his Hub stint. And after the 35-year-old right-hander won a World Series ring for the Home Town Team in 2004, the ingrates in the front office sent him packing! Something about an alleged drinking problem …
D.Lo, who has been on the mound for the Dodgers in the interim, reportedly agreed to a four-year, $60 million deal with the Braves. Meaning, we have only the June 19, 20 and 21 interleague games to ease our pain … .
By jonbrewelberton
January 14, 2009 8:26 AM | Link to this
DON’T TRADE ANY PITCHING!!!!!!!!!! NONE WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!! I can’t think of one outfielder that we should trade our young pitching for. I’d rather go to camp with Diaz in left, Shafer/Anderson in Center, and Frenchy in right with Blanco coming off the bench and spelling one of the outfielders ever so often. I think a combination of Anderson and Blanco off the bench give Bobby a lot of flexibility in late inning situations…both can bunt and both can run…not to mention lead off a inning.
PLEASE DON’T TRADE ANY PITCHING WREN!!!!! Only sign Dunn or another free agent….please don’t give away our pitching! Think of our young pitching beginning in 2010……and beyond!
Brandon Jones would be first on my list to go…..
By Mitch
January 14, 2009 8:30 AM | Link to this
Good points, Dave. I agree with you that we do need another hitter, but the question is.. what can we really afford? I read somewhere about Edmonds, or maybe, Andruw, accepting a low money contract. It wouldnt seem to me like we could afford much.
About the Tim Hudson/ Vasquez pitching situation, and the Braves picking up Hudson’s option, to trade Javier for a bat. This is a very risky proposition, I think. Tom would essentially have to return by August, or at latest, by the time rosters expand Sept 1, to show us something, before we could consider something like that. If, hopefully, Vazquez ia healthy, pitches 200 innings, and wins 12 to 15 games this year, and the Braves, say, win the wild card, and then Hudson comes back in September, even if he pitches well, do we risk 11 mil to 15 mil dollars, on a pitcher who has just returned, and trade away a healthy one? Hudson, unquestionably, is an ace when he’s healthy, but, did we not just sign an “Ace” yesterday in Lowe, for four years? Although, if Glavine does pitch this year, and we have to pay him several million dollars, his contract would likely come off the books next year, as he’s probably not going to play more than one more year anyway, so maybe what you said about Vazquez being a trading chip for a hitter next offseason is true. I really dont know. It depends on Hudson’s health, and whether or not the Braves pick up the option on Tim.
Right now, I’m concerned about this year. The 2009 Braves, if everyone stays healthy, should be much better than the 2008 Braves were. I think, we have a good shot to win the wild card. Hopefully, things will go right this year.
By Marc
January 14, 2009 8:36 AM | Link to this
Lowe is a good addition, but I’m more excited about our new import from Japan. I hope he does well!
By Marc
January 14, 2009 8:36 AM | Link to this
Lowe is a good addition, but I’m more excited about our new import from Japan. I hope he does well!
By Tom
January 14, 2009 8:37 AM | Link to this
DOB—Two questions regarding Kawakami’s contract:
1) Do you have the exact year-by-year breakdown?
2) Did the Braves waive their right to arbitration? If not, they will control Kawakami for three MORE years AFTER the contract expires, since Kawakami is treated as a rookie in terms of service time. Sometimes, Japanese players’ contracts include the team waiving its right to arbitration (like Kosuke F*******)…just wondering if that happened in Kawakami’s case.
Thanks for the wonderful reporting, as always—Tom
By crispy
January 14, 2009 8:38 AM | Link to this
can the moderator please fix the fonts? it seems to happen with ie and not mozilla.
By Richie
January 14, 2009 8:41 AM | Link to this
If the Braves are going to seriously give Andruw consideration, and if he makes the team. Then shouldn’t we put either Andruw or Anderson in LF? I think I would prefer to Andruw in LF, mostly because of the surgically repaired knee. CF in Turner is big as well know, and I think Anderson’s speed is better equipped to handle it now. Andruw’s speed isn’t even in the Anderson’s territory so why allow it to be underutilized in LF? Put Andruw in LF(if he makes the team) and we’ll have a very, very good defensive outfield. Plus, it would solve our lead off issue at the same time. Thoughts?
By Reality
January 14, 2009 8:43 AM | Link to this
Re: Cameron in NC at 1:08 AM:
That might be the weirdest, most wrong post I’ve seen in a while. You give no dues to poor ol’ Chipper Jones, rating an inferior hitter and defender ahead of him, but have Jeff Francoeur as the best right fielder in the NL East? What the….? And Andruw Jones as the second best center fielder too??? What are you smoking? And you have our mystery guy in left field as automatically the best? According to you, the Braves have the best outfield in the NL East, when in reality it is probably a historically bad-hitting outfield. The Braves’ outfield was the worst in the game in 2008…and adding Andruw Jones ain’t making it better.
Also, no mention of the best hitting catcher in the game; Brian McCann?
By Mitch
January 14, 2009 8:44 AM | Link to this
To clarify my last post, when I said about “Tom” returning by August, I really meant “Tim” as in Hudson. If we do sign “Tom” again (Glavine) this team will have thrown a lot of money into the fire if he doesnt pitch until August. Hopefully, if “Tom” is signed again, he will be healthy all season, and can win, 10.. games.
Just wanted to clear that up. MitchBy McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 8:51 AM | Link to this
Dang…the Blog blew up last night shortly after I posted my response to Mike S.…
“Did I do that?”
Tomas McCann is a great hitter, but he is a catcher, he needs more rest than the others. At the end of last year it was pretty noticable he was tired.
Yes…very noticeable. And I like him as a #5 hitter…like, always—not just against righties. (Though he never bat fifth against LH starters.)
Very good Blog, Chief! Thanks for the quotes!
By Doc Holiday
January 14, 2009 8:55 AM | Link to this
AdirondackDave
You are welcome.
By Lee in S GA
January 14, 2009 8:56 AM | Link to this
I’d rather go to camp with Diaz in left, Shafer/Anderson in Center, and Frenchy in right with Blanco coming off the bench and spelling one of the outfielders ever so often.
Then we are truly at the mercy of Francouer rebounding from last season because Blanco and Anderson provide no power what-so-ever; we also would be heavily relying on a rookie and Diaz just seems to be better as a pinch hitter and platoon player at best. Our current outfield is just too much of a question mark, especially with the lack of power.
I think the Braves could afford to trade someone like Jo-Jo and Morton along with say someone like Prado, Anderson, Blanco or B. Jones will that would be enough to bring in someone like Nady. I am Wren will make a trade when all is said and done.
It would be a shame to sign these 2 new pitchers and not to try to bolster the weak link in the offense, the outfield.
By Coach Smith
January 14, 2009 8:56 AM | Link to this
any new word on ANDRUW JONES….I think for 400k you have to bring him back and strengthen the defense up the middle for these pitchers and if he bounces back and gives you 15 hrs and 65 RBIs it is worth it.
Why would anybody complain about the money WREN has spent?
The BRAVES said to have 45 million to spend, have added two huge pieces to the rotation while only committing 23 million
that means the Braves still have 22 million and only need to sign OHMAN and a left fielder
Lets SIGN OHMAN SIGN ANDRUW SIGN DUNN if you don’t like Dunn trade for DYE
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 8:57 AM | Link to this
Cameron in NC—
Um……obviously you spent a lot of time on that post, but yeah, why’d you leave out catcher? (Maybe ‘cause its so obvious, and you didn’t wanna put the other catchers to shame…?)
By Doc Holiday
January 14, 2009 8:58 AM | Link to this
Anybody knows how Huddy is doing? is he working out that arm?
By ND
January 14, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this
I think it’s time for Chipper to shut it down. He talks an awful lot for a guy who routinely misses 40 games a year. Maybe if he spent more time in the gym during the offseason instead of popping off to reporters he could actually stay in the lineup long enough to really help this team instead of constantly indicting management.
By DCbrave
January 14, 2009 9:07 AM | Link to this
OK, I’m dragging my butt to the dentist’s office. a drill awaits. -David O’Brien
Hi DOB: With the kind of schedule you have, I’m amazed you even had the time to make the dentist appointment.
By Test
January 14, 2009 9:11 AM | Link to this
This is just to test the italic and bold thing here.
By Shaun
January 14, 2009 9:12 AM | Link to this
Lew, I saw this yesterday:
Shaun-In response to my statement that teams are assembled differently now than they were 20 years ago, you said “The fact is if teams had paid more attention to things like OBP and other things, they would have built better teams.” Dude, Are you even vaguely aware how insane that makes you sound?
I would imagine that Sparky Anderson might argue with that point of view. I suppose if you taught history, you would tell your students “If Rome had bothered to use tanks instead of swords and shields, their empire would have lasted longer.”
…The fact is if you look back at the history of the game, teams that post the highest OBPs and SLGs scored the most runs. Whether people knew about that in the past (Branch Rickey actually did), whether Sparky Anderson would argue the point or not, that is true. So whether anyone realizes what leads to run creation, we should judge hitters on what leads to run creation.
The point about Rome and tanks is not comparable. Tanks obviously weren’t around in ancient times. But an ability to get on base was around throughout the history of baseball, whether people had a metric for it or knew it’s importance to creating runs. On-base ability has always existed and has always been important. Don’t confuse the fact that OBP was little known or not known by some with an idea that on-base ability didn’t existed and wasn’t important.
If you want a comparison to ancient Rome, it would be like factors that led to the fall of Rome that we now know of but that the people of that time weren’t conscious of (or only a few were conscious of). Those factors were still there. We shouldn’t just ignore those factors because people weren’t aware of them. (Hey, folks, I didn’t bring up ancient Rome. I’m just trying to clear up a faulty analogy.)
By Drummerdad
January 14, 2009 9:13 AM | Link to this
Buster Olney seems to think that the Braves have mangled this off season by not completing the trade for Peavy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3831815&name=olney_buster
By Reality
January 14, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this
Andruw Jones is done people. Stop living in the past.
By Thundersticks
January 14, 2009 9:20 AM | Link to this
After a very, VERY rocky start to the offseason, Wren has recovered nicely. I thought the Braves should have gone after Lowe from the beginning. CC was way out of our price range and AJ is another Mike Hampton waiting to happen.
While we have two lefties in the BP (not counting Gonzalez as he’s the closer - for now), both are unproven. Adding Ohman would make a good BP potentially great (assuming everyone can stay healthy).
The pressing issue now is the OF. We have a lot of options - Diaz, Blanco, Anderson, B Jones, Schafer, and possibly A Jones - but not the “big” bat we need. While Nady could be an improvement over most of these guys, I don’t seem him as that “big” bat. What we have are a lot of fourth OF types. It will be interesting to see what Wren does here.
IF Wren can get that “big” bat, I think the Braves will be playoff contenders. I’m not predicting they are going to win the WS, just saying they should be in the hunt all season.
As for Smoltz, I am certainly sad to see him go. But one thing to keep in mind is that HE chose to sign elsewhere. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes, but its not like Wren traded him.
By Doc Holiday
January 14, 2009 9:21 AM | Link to this
I dont like the idea of bringing AJ back. The team has to walk in another direction. We have enough good youngsters we can give a chance to show what they are made of. Signing AJ will do nothing but block Blanco, Anderson, BJ, Schafer. I agree that 400k for AJ is a worth a try, but what he can give to us is not what we need. We have enough OF that wont drive in 75RBI.
IMO, signing him is a bad move. I would go with DIAZ + JF + BLANCO + POWER LF.
We would also have Infante and Norton as backups. No need to add AJ. He will make this team and their fans that it is 2007 all over again.
By Dadgum
January 14, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this
Like DOB said a new format is hitting the blog in January. Guess all “bold” type is it. Not sure.
The Braves certainly don’t need Glavine in the rotation and it is my opinion that Glavine will probably retire during spring training if not prior to going down there. Reason: the best he can do is be a 5th starter. His comments about ego during the Smoltz exodus leads me to believe that he couldn’t handle or want the #5 slot.
Seriously, another thought, the #5 slot is earmarked for Hanson at this point or at least his to be won. In any scenario do you see the Braves pitching Glavine ahead of a phenom like Hanson? I can’t. Unless injuries or performance issues arise at Dark Star the rotation should read: Lowe, Jurrjens, Vazquez, Kawakami, and Hanson. Assuming good defense and return to form by others, and an additional bat, that is good enough to be legitimate contenders.
Rock on…….
By Lew
January 14, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this
Coach Smith-Lowe-$15 mil, Vasquez-$11.5mil, Kawakami- $7mil. That works out to $33.5 million and they re-signed Norton, gave a two year deal to Infante and still have arbitration raises for Johnson, Kotchman, Francoeur and a boost in McCann’s salary, not to mention what they would have to pay Glavine, should they decide to re-sign him. What about Ohman, who will cost another $4mil, if they retain his services?
I’m afraid they’ve spent much more than you realize.
By dgd
January 14, 2009 9:29 AM | Link to this
I’m no huge fan of Frank Wren, but I can tell you that his treatment of Cal Ripken was on the mark. Ripken’s public image was very different than the reality: for years he stayed in separate hotels from his teammates and demanded special treatment. Some managers/GMs will put up with that silliness and some won’t. Wren didn’t. Why should everyone else on the team have had to wait for Ripken to show up late? I think it’s good to send the message that no one player is above the team—not even Cal Ripken……or John Smoltz.
By DCbrave
January 14, 2009 9:29 AM | Link to this
OK. I couldn’t take it anymore with this italic bold text we see here. So I did a test.
It turned out that if don’t do anything with a text, it will appear as italic. If you wanted to make a text italic by putting it in single , it will be just the opposite, normal and not italic. Putting text in double * makes it bold as usual.
By Iron Labrum
January 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Link to this
My Favorite Quote of the Week:
“I was probably about one cheeseburger away from playing first base.”
—McFann’s boy on the motivation for his offseason diet to XM Homeplate.
….a lot of Braves coverage on XM this week. Diaz on this morning.
DOB great blog. I hope your dentist is an all-star…you know, a John Smoltz type.
By Supes
January 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Link to this
ND - If anyone has earned to right to publicaly question organizational moves it’s Chipper Jones. The man does everything possible NOT to miss any games but injuries happen. Even with that said, he was runner up 2 years ago and won the batting title this past season. The numbers are there. If he wanted to he could hit more HR as well but that is not his game so he doesn’t try. (would you look at that, a novel concept in today’s game…stick to what you do well…only if JEFF had the same mind set maybe he wouldn’t have STUNK up the Ted last year with his abismal performance)
Get off Chipper Jones’ back.
Unappreciative fanbase, if he were to leave I wouldn’t blame him, it’ll be people like ND showing him the door.
T - You said it best. It’s all “about the money”. Baseball lost it’s soul a long time ago when the owners caved and refused to put a salary cap to help stop what it has become today.
John Smoltz was an icon and in a different era he doesn’t leave for Boston. Those photographs yesterday with the Red Sox 29 never happen.
Coach - You said it best sir. Lowe is number 2 starter. Braves do have an ace, but he isnt’ going to be back (at the earliest) until August. His name is Tim Hudson.
That is why I say 2010 with a healthy Huddy (I sincerely hope the Braves pick up his option year) leading the rotation we will be considered a legit contender for the NL East.
Even if you bring in Nady to play left (would prefer it over Nick S.), who plays center? Blanco is not the answer. Will Anderson get a shot, or will they rush Jordan S. out there opening day? (highly unlikely).
Francine should rebound, but what if he doesn’t? Talk about a disaster of a situation…everyone said his trade value had dropped (and yes I agree to a point) but then again if he stinks in 09…then what? What could you get for him after 2 years of “under performing”? Some baseball bats and gloves and a one way bus ticket to Omaha:)
By MJ
January 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Link to this
Hey DOB, w/ these signings, I am turning japanese!!
By Lew
January 14, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this
Shaun-Just keep ranting ever onward-whether or not you make sense or sound like a broken record (or damaged CD if you prefer something somewhat more contemporary). You have no credibility left, but you’re about the only one who doesn’t realize it. It’s bad enough that you’re inflexible, intractable and a one trick pony, but now you want to change history.
Whatever.
By Doc Holiday
January 14, 2009 9:39 AM | Link to this
I dont like the idea of bringing Dunn either………..I mean……….if there is no other option, so be it. But he brings too many Ks and low BA with him. I think that is not positive, no matter how many HRs you hit. And its not like he is an automatic 100RBI/year machine. I rather have Abreu. I know sluggers rarely hit for AVG., but batting below .270 is really bad. I hope they look for someone else.
By mredd
January 14, 2009 9:41 AM | Link to this
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By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 9:49 AM | Link to this
Iron Labrum—
LOL! That’s a good quote! Thanks for that.
Why did I not italicize the thing I copied-and-pasted from Tomas’ post? Weird…
By Lee in S GA
January 14, 2009 9:52 AM | Link to this
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By tbhawksfan
January 14, 2009 9:52 AM | Link to this
The rotation is set one through four Lowe/Vasquez/JJ/KK. It will be interesting to see who gets the fifth spot and what we do with the “extra” guys.
Hanson is either in or at AA/AAA. Campillo would be good as a LR/spot starter Reyes is still a good looking young lefty Morton was much talked about this time last year Parr looked good when he came up
Morton has too much potential to let go Let Hanson and Parr continue to develop
I’m comfy with Anderson/Schafer in CF. Good D and speed.
Seems like the only ? is LF.
Looks like we have an abundance of talented young pitching and a bit of $ left. Shouldn’t be too difficult for Wren to get a solid LF
By Tim
January 14, 2009 9:55 AM | Link to this
I feel a lot better about the team then I did last week. If we re-sign Ohman (why hasn’t that happened yet?) and get that power bat for LF we can contend this year.
Also I see nothing wrong with giving Andruw a look see in Spring Training. With Chipper and MAC gone to play in the WBC there will be plenty of at-bats to go around during the spring to give Andruw a chance and to still take a look at the young players.
By blueridge
January 14, 2009 9:57 AM | Link to this
In reference to the Buster Olney blog, which rotation sounds better for 2010, if Wren had pulled the trigger on the Peavy deal?
Peavy, Hudson, Smoltz, JJ, Hanson, Kawakami vs. Hudson, Lowe, Vasquez, JJ, Hanson, Kawakami?
The idea of Peavy, Hudson, and Smoltz at the top of any rotation is very scary. Imagine having to face those three in a 7 games series. Although, I guess the argument is that Lowe and Vasquez, while not as flashy, will provide more innings and reliability.
By Original Jon
January 14, 2009 9:57 AM | Link to this
Will you people stop with all the stupid Dunn and Abreu or whoever else you have to sign crap!!!!!! We have no more money to spend on outfielders, we will have to trade for a cheap outfielder like Nady, Swisher or Ankiel.
So give up already, we arent getting Dunn or Abreu!!!!!!!!!!!!
By LT-A blogger
January 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Link to this
I was one of the many who were really upset with FW and front office for the Smoltz situation.
However, the more I think about it I think FW and the Braves most likely did Smoltz a favor by not bringing him back and letting the Sox take him. I think he’s in a much better situation to try to end his career by going out on top. I don’t think they purposely did him a favor, but just think it’s more likely to end well for him in Boston rather than Atlanta.
Of course, it’s a bit easier to feel that way because I like the moves FW has made to make this team competitive this year. If they are able to add some power to left field, I do think they will be competitive. They’re still gonna need a whole lot to go right, but you just never know.
In regards to AJ, I don’t see why folks out there wouldn’t want the Braves to bring him back. If he drops the extra weight he’s been carrying around, I think he could very well bounce back to being a very solid player again. I’m doubting he’ll ever be the same guy that hit 30-40 HRs a year, but I’m betting he could hit .260-.270 with 20+ HRs and play solid D in any of the OF positions.
By LT-A blogger
January 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Link to this
I was one of the many who were really upset with FW and front office for the Smoltz situation.
However, the more I think about it I think FW and the Braves most likely did Smoltz a favor by not bringing him back and letting the Sox take him. I think he’s in a much better situation to try to end his career by going out on top. I don’t think they purposely did him a favor, but just think it’s more likely to end well for him in Boston rather than Atlanta.
Of course, it’s a bit easier to feel that way because I like the moves FW has made to make this team competitive this year. If they are able to add some power to left field, I do think they will be competitive. They’re still gonna need a whole lot to go right, but you just never know.
In regards to AJ, I don’t see why folks out there wouldn’t want the Braves to bring him back. If he drops the extra weight he’s been carrying around, I think he could very well bounce back to being a very solid player again. I’m doubting he’ll ever be the same guy that hit 30-40 HRs a year, but I’m betting he could hit .260-.270 with 20+ HRs and play solid D in any of the OF positions.
By Lew
January 14, 2009 10:01 AM | Link to this
Supes-A couple things-First, the owners DID try to keep salaries down and lost the collusion cases, which ended up costing them damn near as much as-if not more-than if they had just gone ahead and paid the players. Maybe you should blame whoever arbitrated the collusion cases.
Secondly, I wouldn’t be so sure that Hudson will be back as early as August, but whether or not he is, the option on his contract is a Mutual Option-both parties need to agree to it. He may not pitch for the Braves again and it could conceivably be HIS decision not to do so.
As for whether or not Lowe is an ace. Does it really matter? There was no ace available (and he DID lead the Dodgers to a Division Title) and from my viewpoint, the Braves have considerably improved their rotation over last year. They have pitchers who will last longer into games. This will cause less strain on what has been an overworked bullpen, thereby making them infinitely more effective, as well. That should result in a pitching staff that is worlds ahead of what we’ve had in recent times.
As someone pointed out in an earlier post, there are likely 16 teams (more than half) that would view Lowe as an Ace. That would leave 14 teams WITH an Ace. What about the Jays and Halladay? What about the Astros and Oswalt? What about the Padres and Peavy? The Mets and Santana? How far did they get even having an Ace? Seems to me that balance throughout the rotation is what leads to Championships and even there, the Phillies won with a rotation that was quite sparse after Hamels.
By Original Jon
January 14, 2009 10:02 AM | Link to this
T Yes baseball is a business, and like any other business, you have to be able to perform your daily tasks and duties with no problems at all. Frank wasnt sure if John was going to be able to do that so he gave him an incentive laden contract, if John was sure he was going to be able to do it, then he should have taken the contract in good faith, but he didnt. So that tells me that maybe Smoltz isnt so sure he is going to be able to pitch all that well, so why not go for the higher guaranteed contract, fatten your pockets a little. Wren made a smart business decision, a bad PR decision, but PR decisions dont win you championships, ie Tom Glavines return last year.
By Steve from OH
January 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Link to this
Shaun-Just keep ranting ever onward-whether or not you make sense or sound like a broken record (or damaged CD if you prefer something somewhat more contemporary). You have no credibility left, but you’re about the only one who doesn’t realize it. It’s bad enough that you’re inflexible, intractable and a one trick pony, but now you want to change history.
When you make statements like this you become exactly what you’re accusing him of being. Inflexible. He makes a very good point. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy and value your input very much, and this is meant to be constructive, but c’mon man. Acknowledge the man when he makes a good point. I’m sure he’ll say something that you can legitimately disagree with soon.
By Efrim
January 14, 2009 10:08 AM | Link to this
I read Olney’s blog too. He has been harping on the Peavy to the Braves potential trade for a while. The Orlando Cabrera point makes no sense. Cabrera is what, 34 and would be signed for a one year deal? Escobar is under the teams control through 2012. I guess it is all what you think of Escobar. I’m happy that the Braves didn’t trade for Peavy. I am happy they went the route of free agency. 16 months removed from trading Saltalamacchia, Andrus, Feliz, Harrison and B. Jones for a year of Teixiera, and people think it is a better idea for the Braves to trade two of their top 7 prospects and a SS under control for four more seasons for Jake Peavy? Great pitcher, no doubt. But the asking price, along with the contract and possible no trade clause needed, was too much in my mind. I was for signing Burnett and I am for signing Lowe and keeping the prospects who will help the Braves in 2011 and beyond. And lastly, find me a SS prospect the Braves have in the minors to fill Escobar’s spot after Cabrera leaves? Guy doesn’t exist.
By brian
January 14, 2009 10:09 AM | Link to this
how was the drill? For all the young denizens - brush and FLOSS your teeth
By rotty
January 14, 2009 10:10 AM | Link to this
Buster Onley has a point in his latest blog on the Braves. Wren was backed into a corner and he got desperate.
He should have re-engaged SD on Peavy. Lowe is a fine 2-3 but he is not an ace and at 35/36 $60mm and 4yrs is crazy.
I doubt anyone around the league sees this as anything other than a desperation move to save face. Most GMs probably feel bad for Wren at this point not admiring his work.
Wren still gets a C- this off season. KK was a good move not trying one last time to get Peavy will haunt this guy. Mark it down folks Wren let his ego and over valuing Locke get in the way of repairing this franchises prospects and image.
Lowe will make this rotation better. Peavy would have set it up to be great.
After years of mediocre Braves teams Wren need to pull the stops to make it great.
All he had to do was protect Hanson, Heyward, Freeman and maybe ROBO. He could have done that and picked up Peavy.
By EP
January 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Link to this
Whats a little stupid is KEEPING Smoltz still made sense even with these signings! Boston has plenty of starting pitchers, but they made the addition of Smoltz as an insurance policy and a rather inexpensive one at that. In the baseball business world- 5.5 million is nothing for a 1 year deal in starting pitching.
By Random
January 14, 2009 10:15 AM | Link to this
HuffBraves: “I feel like journalism must be a pretty lucrative business in Japan.”
One spin-off of a higher literacy rate, I suppose.
Don’t Trade Franceour, Sheesh — Are you ever planning on spelling your handle correctly?
If it’s an homage to the Braves’ right fielder, I’d think you’d want to at least spell Francoeur’s name right.
Or am I missing some subtle nuance (once again)?
NickB: “Regardless, I am happy with the Lowe and kawakami signings as it gives us an almost guarenteed 1000+ innings from the rotation (including the odd spot starts and call upsat the end of the year).”
What’s your basis for concluding that? Only two of the five projected starters (Lowe, Vazquez) can legitimately be expected to pitch 200 innings — Braves would do well not to try to push Jurrjens that hard this year, and Kawakami’s an unknown whom I figure they’ll use fairly conservatively (at least at first).
Generously, I think we should expect maybe 900 — 950 IP from our starters in 2009.
By DAP
January 14, 2009 10:18 AM | Link to this
i think, based on how much money the braves still have to spend this offseason, that they should try to trade for nady. he shoulod be the first choice. if nady doesnt work out, i think the braves need to sign either griffey or edmunds, and platoon them with matt diaz in left. both griffey and edmunds still hit righties pretty well, lefties, not so much. with the small amount of money we have left to spend, a good platoon in LF would be ok.
By Paula
January 14, 2009 10:20 AM | Link to this
rotty, what part of “Peavy does not want to play in Atlanta” do you not get. Wren could have re-opened dialogue with Padres until he was blue in the face, but if Peavy does not want to come to Atlanta, it does not happen. Why should Wren waste his time going after a player who will not agree to come to Atlanta?
By Paula
January 14, 2009 10:22 AM | Link to this
Quit your sniveling over Smoltz. He chose to leave - he’s gone - get over it.
By Shaun
January 14, 2009 10:28 AM | Link to this
Lew, you obviously have no where else to go with this except saying I have no credibility. You obviously can’t address the issue that hitters
…On to Adam Dunn. I think he would be a solid addition to the Braves if they can get him for no more than $10-12 million a year (a little more than Pat the Bat, since they are virtually the same player only Dunn is younger).
Defense is a major concern with Dunn but I think the Braves have some solid outfielders they could use as late-game replacements in Josh Anderson and Brandon Jones.
But Dunn would provide much needed power and on-base ability in the outfield.
Doc Holiday, hitting for average isn’t as necessary as “hitting” for getting on base.
By dogsbrekky
January 14, 2009 10:30 AM | Link to this
We should sign the VAPORS to do opening day at Ted Field to do their one hit thingy
Anyone who thinks we should not keep Chipper is totally off their face…
Lets go trade for Dye or another big RH bat..
By Shaun
January 14, 2009 10:35 AM | Link to this
rotty, I disagree with your and Olney’s assessments.
The Dodgers were essentially an 87-win team last season and won the NL West…with a strong pitching staff. Even if you take Dodger Stadium’s pitcher-friendliness into account, their pitching staff was one of the best in the NL (1st in ERA+). Derek Lowe may have been their best pitcher. So Lowe actually can be an ace on a contending team with a good pitching staff; he proved it last season.
The Braves need outfield bats and they probably aren’t going to be as talented as the Mets or Phillies but they are good enough to contend and make the playoffs if things break their way and they do indeed acquire some outfield bats.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 10:35 AM | Link to this
The Love Child: Regarding Hall of Fame ballot — Paper’s policy, AJC writers, other than columnists, aren’t permitted to vote for any awards, not annual awards, weekly polls, or Hall of Fame honors. I think columnists are allowed to vote on some, but not sure exactly which ones.
By flange1
January 14, 2009 10:36 AM | Link to this
Efrim,
You read my mind on the Olney article.
I agree with Buster most of the time and enjoy his work, but I think he missed the boat a bit on the Peavy deal.
From my perspective FW dropped out of the negotiations because he thought he was giving up TOO MUCH for Peavy.
I agree!
When we boil all of the deals down, I am more happy with Getting Lowe than the Peavy deal, the Furcal deal or the AJ deal.
And the more I think about it, I am not that unhappy that Hampton and Smoltz signed elsewhere.
Don’t get me wrong, the current Braves rotation is far from perfect, but it is solid, stable and should eat innings.
And with the guys we have in the pen, we should be in good shape with our pitching for at least 2 years.
Further, we now have an excess of starters and relief pitchers that could be spun into a LF.
I would like to get Ohman back to give Bobby another LH option in the pen. WIth all the righty starters, it would be nice to have 3 leftys in the pen…..
By Ron in mobile
January 14, 2009 10:37 AM | Link to this
Any cavities DOB?
By Lew
January 14, 2009 10:37 AM | Link to this
Steve-I refuse to continue this assanine argument with Shaun on the blog any longer. Email me- LewHartman@comcast.net and I’ll explain to you what I meant. I have something else I need to talk to you about anyway.
By brent a.
January 14, 2009 10:38 AM | Link to this
Buster Olney’s comments are not the least bit insightful.
By DAP
January 14, 2009 10:39 AM | Link to this
shaun *On to Adam Dunn. I think he would be a solid addition to the Braves if they can get him for no more than $10-12 million a year *
i dont think the braves can afford this, at this point, with all the other contracts they have handed out this offseason. the braves going to have to go for one of the cheap outfielders, or trade for someone.
By Shane
January 14, 2009 10:39 AM | Link to this
Doc Holiday I dont even know where to begin. First off BA and K’s mean almost nothing. RBI dont matter either. If you play on a good team with people on base in front of you you will have alot of rbi’s if you play on a bad team you wont have many. Rbis are meaningless. Hitting below .270 means nothing. What matters is OBP (on base percentage) this is where Dunn shine. He gets on base ALL THE TIME. His OBP .375 is way above the leauge average .335 This means he is the anti Francouer and actually will take a walk to extend the inning. Plus when he does hit the ball it goes a long way. He is a 40hr a year guy and 3 run homers win games. Dunn is the best fit for the Braves OF but doubt they will sign him
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 10:39 AM | Link to this
Brian, the drilling experience wasn’t bad. It helps that my dentist is hot (I’m serious; she’s 38 and gorgeous, but unfortunately, married).
Right side of mouth and lip are still a bit numb, but otherwise we’re back to normal. Got the temporary crown, until I get my fine gold one in two weeks (yes, I went with yellow gold instead of the white crown — the tooth is toward the back).
By test
January 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Link to this
This should appear normal. This should appear italic, and this should be bold.
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Link to this
Bobby’s Cox, you make no sense whatsoever. NONE.
I see you went cherry picking all of three deep in Japanese pitchers. Nomo, Park and Dice-K. Nice job MORON.
Here are some more names you didn’t want me to add:
Kei Igawa, Hideki Irabu, Kazuhisa Ishii, Shigetoshi Hasegawa, Michael Nakamura, Kazuhiro Sasaki, Mac Suzuki, Takashi Kashiwada and on and on….
Look here sonny boy, not all Japanese pitchers have been successful in the major leagues. In fact, most have F-A-I-L-E-D but you knew that already didn’t you? RIIIGGHHHT???????
NOT. Dear blogster’s, Bobby’s Cox just learned something new today.
I am correct in my statement that Kenshin Kawakami will go through an adjustment period. I think that he will be successful, and how that equates to being hateful is beyond reasonable human conjecture .
As far as being a fan, I’m ten times more dedicated than you will ever hope to be in your lifetime. Class dismissed.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 10:46 AM | Link to this
Shaun, I can’t believe I just spent 45 seconds reading your 9:12 a.m. post. Please provide a “this is another rambling, unnecessary post about OBP” warning the next time. Thanks.
By Steve McQueen
January 14, 2009 10:47 AM | Link to this
DOB,
Are you going to be in Athens this weekend for the Truckers at the 40 watt? Good Times.
By Bobby Cox
January 14, 2009 10:48 AM | Link to this
I hope the Braves get Andruw. I can’t wait to start him everyday between opening day and the all-star break.
By Original Jon
January 14, 2009 10:48 AM | Link to this
Seriously people, still!!!!!!!!!!! You people that keep talking about signing Dunn do not have a clue what you are talking about. We DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY NECESSARY TO SIGN DUNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get that through your thick friggin skulls.
It will be through trade for our outfielder, and please dont say DYE, he is too expensive as well.
By LivininAL
January 14, 2009 10:48 AM | Link to this
I think the additon of Lowe, Vaszuez, and Kawakami is big boost to the Wren/Fan realtionship, especially with only the loss of Flowers to make it happen. However, I still think we should have added Smoltz to that mix. ( I think Lowe should take Smoltz out to dinner to express appreciation for that raise!) So let’s make everyone happy, beat the odds and watch Braves vs Boston in the World Series. DOB- One Quesiton Did John Schuerholz and Boras actually attend the same 5 hour meeting?
By pryguy
January 14, 2009 10:49 AM | Link to this
TO ALL THE WREN BASHERS:
Where have you gone? Funny thing is, I do not believe he and the rest of the Braves staff are finished improving this team, just like he stated at the end of last year. Because of a few unfortunate happenings, we missed out on Peavy (who I believe never wanted to come here, maybe now he has a different mindset) and Burnett. However, Wren has done an admirable job in getting 1 proven ace in Lowe. He has also added an innings eater in Vazquez and a possible gem in Kenshi.
DOB, is it possible Wren still looks to bolster this rotation via the trade market? I think the rotation looks set and ready, but he was quoted by Jerry Crasnick on ESPN saying this after the Lowe signing “”We wanted get back to being a pitching team,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said. “If we can do another couple of moves, we can get back to that point.” Does that foreshadow a trade in place to add another arm? Wouldn’t mind seeing the Braves add another quality starter to an already good starting rotation. All the best at that dentist’s appointment.
By Friggin' Creepy
January 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this
OK, I’m dragging my butt to the dentist’s office. a drill awaits.
-David O’Brien, January 14, 2009 6:48 AM.
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this
Blueridge you also have to remember no Escobar. I was one of the biggest pushers for Peavy, but I have to agree that our current situation is better.
By Bryan
January 14, 2009 10:52 AM | Link to this
There is nothing better than a hot dentist/nurse/doctor, etc.
It just makes your day so much better
By DAP
January 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this
coach youre full of yourself
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 10:54 AM | Link to this
Ron, yes, my first cavity in more than a decade. In the very back molar, dammit. She filled that and did the crown fitting thing. Had to drill out old filling to do the crown.
Nothing like dentistry talk in the a.m., huh? That should spike the page-hit counts. (OK, guys, think about my dentist and trust me, she’s very attractive. There, that should get us back on point….)
Tom, Kawakami is just slightly more than $7 mill per year in salary, with the rest of the $23 mill signing bonus. I’ll let you know when I get exact breakdown, and when I have an answer to your arb question.
By Mark
January 14, 2009 10:55 AM | Link to this
DOB,
Do you have any idea how they are doing Lowe’s contract? I believe it would def. benefit the Braves if they front loaded the contract getting a large portion of the contract out of the way helping down the road and possible trade partners in the future. What do you think?
By Shaun
January 14, 2009 10:56 AM | Link to this
Sorry, DOB. Gotta fight the good fight as long as people want to ignore the most important resource in a baseball game: Outs.
By DAP
January 14, 2009 10:58 AM | Link to this
i think that frank wren should go ahead and extend chipper three more years. meaning, three more after 2009. this will make him 40 at the end of the contract, and more than likely about to retire. there only one reason not to do this, and it is because chipper misses games. his performance is not in question.
in fact, he just turned in what might be the best three season stretch of his career based on performance (not on games played). he is not slowing down at all. there is no end in sight for chipper jones. extend him please.
im not sure what it would take, but maybe $12mil per with a few incentives for games played to make it even more. seriously. do it.
By AdirondackDave
January 14, 2009 11:02 AM | Link to this
DOB — None of our business, I suppose, but what is the paper’s rationale for their policy about not voting on awards, etc. Thanks.
By Columbusbuckeye
January 14, 2009 11:02 AM | Link to this
Hey Dave, have you heard anything regarding any potential moves with an outfielder?
By the way, the whole hot dentist story is something straight out of a late night Saturday Cinemax flick.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Link to this
Tom, already got your answer: All Japanese-player contracts are for term, after which the player becomes a free agent. So Braves have him three years, then he can be a free agent….
Friggin’ Creepy: I guess so, if that’s what you’ve got on your mind (which you obviously do — sorry about that, bro.)
By Panda Adverb Scientology Breakfast Honorarium Noun Face
January 14, 2009 11:07 AM | Link to this
On letting Smoltz go: It was the right move. It’s the “Patriot Way”: Let much-beloved, but aging stars go one year too early, rather than one year too late.
By YankeeDawg
January 14, 2009 11:07 AM | Link to this
DOB, in a Buster Olney (sp?) blog, he says the reasons the Braves didn’t obtain Peavy hinged our indecision on whether to include Boyer or Locke, and possibly a No Trade Clause. Is that the Whole story? I thought they also wanted either Heywood or Hanson which were untouchables. Esco/Gorky’s/Locke for Peavy & a No Trade Clause and WE DIDN’T DO IT!?!?!?!
By TommyP
January 14, 2009 11:07 AM | Link to this
Errr….the following is absolutely priceless:
By David O’Brien January 14, 2009 10:46 AM | Link to this Shaun, I can’t believe I just spent 45 seconds reading your 9:12 a.m. post. Please provide a “this is another rambling, unnecessary post about OBP” warning the next time. Thanks.
Then your very next response is this gem:
Right side of mouth and lip are still a bit numb, but otherwise we’re back to normal. Got the temporary crown, until I get my fine gold one in two weeks (yes, I went with yellow gold instead of the white crown — the tooth is toward the back).
LOL That exchange is priceless.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 11:11 AM | Link to this
LivininAL, not everyone was at one meeting for five hours. Lowe went from here to there, talking with Roger and Bobby in the clubhouse, talking with Frank and those guys about the team’s farm system, talking with McGuirk and John about direction of organization, etc. (I’m just giving examples, don’t know exactly who was in what session, but they weren’t formal meetings for five hours, lot of it was sitting around in the clubhouse chatting, touring the ballpark and facilities, etc)
By NickB
January 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Link to this
Random- here is my breakdown for innings
Lowe-210,Vazquez-212, JJ-195,Kawakami-160, 5th starter- 150-160, spot starts and September call ups- 80 innings ( based on recent years numbers)
That works out to 1017 innings. I give the over under of about 30. That puts the range between 987 and 1047. Either way that should help cut the stress on the bullpen.
By Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
January 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Link to this
DOB
When should we be expecting a decision from Ohman. Have the Braves extended an offer yet? He is a massive piece of that bullpen puzzle. Obviously…
By Shane
January 14, 2009 11:15 AM | Link to this
Amen Shaun 10:56am Amen
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 11:16 AM | Link to this
Shane, I will agree with you that RBI’s really dont mean a whole lot. Kind of like wins for pitchers. Depends too much on who you play for. But to say BA and K dont mean anything and only OBP matters is dumb. BA with RISP does matter. OBP is a factor into a player, but not the only factor. With a leadoff guy, yeah OBP is far more important than BA, but with a cleanup hitter you want someone who actually can put the ball in play. You cant drive anyone in by striking out or walking. You have to hit the ball. Dunn’s BA with RISP is .214. With runners on first and third do you really feel confident he can drive them in. No. The best you can hope for the guy behind him drives them in.
By GermanBravesFan
January 14, 2009 11:16 AM | Link to this
Hmmm… Maybe I am just too European, but wasn’t there a song in the 80’s called “Big in Japan” by a band called Alphaville??
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 11:16 AM | Link to this
Shane, I will agree with you that RBI’s really dont mean a whole lot. Kind of like wins for pitchers. Depends too much on who you play for. But to say BA and K dont mean anything and only OBP matters is dumb. BA with RISP does matter. OBP is a factor into a player, but not the only factor. With a leadoff guy, yeah OBP is far more important than BA, but with a cleanup hitter you want someone who actually can put the ball in play. You cant drive anyone in by striking out or walking. You have to hit the ball. Dunn’s BA with RISP is .214. With runners on first and third do you really feel confident he can drive them in. No. The best you can hope for the guy behind him drives them in.
By rammerjammer
January 14, 2009 11:17 AM | Link to this
David,
Major props for the gold crown, bro. Got one years ago in the very back. My kids think it’s very old school and interesting. A white crown would be sooooo boring.
Thanks for the extensive player quotes, especially Kelly Johnson. Interesting he tossed Anderson into the mix, since most seem to view him as a fourth OF…at best. I sure hope Bobby drops Kelly down in the order…batting fifth or sixth. He will thrive.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 11:18 AM | Link to this
AdirondackDave, sorry, but we’ve rehashed this enough. Seriously, it’s come up 20 times in the past two years. It’s just not worth it to keep discussing it.
By Dan
January 14, 2009 11:22 AM | Link to this
People need to be realistic about deals for Nady or Swisher. The Yankees gave up two prospects and Betimet for Swisher this offseason and would be unlikely to make a deal without a similar return. Also, they surrendered their best OF prospect in Jose Tabata as well as several pitchers at the end of July for a year and a half of Nady and Marte (later signed to an extension after declining the option). They don’t need to dump payroll, so there is no way either of these guys is going to be given away a la Jo Jo Reyes straight up. The Nats, Pirates and Reds have already asked and don’t like the demands.
By Rufio
January 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Link to this
I’m just excited that I finally have a reason to break out my Hello Kitty bookbag at the stadium now.
Who’s with me?
By 18 Wheels of Love
January 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Link to this
DOB getting a gold grill? Damn, playa…
By GermanBravesFan
January 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Link to this
Buster Olney at espn.com thinks the Braves should have traded for Peavy instead of signing Lowe. He called the Lowe-signing a desperation move after the Smoltz disaster. He also says Boras, once again, was the true winner in this since the only other offer Lowe had was from the Mets for three years and much less money. Here is the article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3831815&name=olney_buster
By N8
January 14, 2009 11:25 AM | Link to this
DOB
“(OK, guys, think about my dentist and trust me, she’s very attractive. There, that should get us back on point….)”
Reminds me of an old Steven Wright line. Something about his dental hygenist being very attractive, so he would eat a whole box of oreos before going to the dentist. Good stuff indeed (the joke….and the oreos).
By Thrillhouse44
January 14, 2009 11:28 AM | Link to this
Wren Didn’t Start the Fire (with all due respect to Billy Joel and 18 Wheel)
Javy Lopez, Steve Avery, Justice traded away Turner Field, Tooner Filed, Ryan Klesko
Jermaine Dye, Jason Schmidt, Millwood, Pendleton Andy Marte, Jarrod Salty, Mark DeRo
Crime Dog, Fooky, Mark Lemke, Bret Boone, Leo, Marcus Giles and Mike Mordecai
J.D. Drew, TBS, Maddux’s got a new address Sheffield, Tex, Glavine’s goodbye
CHORUS: Wren didn’t start the fire It was always burning Since there was no Turner Wren didn’t start the fire No he didn’t light it But he tried to fight it
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 11:28 AM | Link to this
DAP I disagree. Do not extend Chipper’s contract. It would be the best for Chipper and the Braves if he left after this year. You can not build a championship team around a guy who will miss 40 games per year. You say he has no sign of slowing down, I dont know if he could have a bigger sign than missing 40 games. If he had a bigger sign it would be a freaking billboard. If the Braves were in the AL I woud agree with you, but he just cant stay healty. The only way I say bring him back is 5 mil per year. That way you can afford a really good backup. By the way I am a Chipper fan, but he kills the Braves when he goes out. How many times the past 3 years have Brave fans say,”If Chipper stays healty we could win the East.” It just isnt going to happen.
By JimTenn
January 14, 2009 11:29 AM | Link to this
DOB,
Any chance Andruw is entertaining thoughts of a return to ATL at a discounted price. Seems the way the rotation is looking he might be a good fit. I know his wife spent a lot of time decorating that house then he left for LA. How many millions is enough millions?
By Jack in Macon
January 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Link to this
I like Frank Wren and what he’s doing. Can’t wait to see his next moves. Never was that upset about Smoltz, even though I really like and appreciate what he has done for the Braves. At some point you have to let go of the past.
We should end up with a team that can possibly win the division this year. It’s time for our luck to change with injuries. We didn’t have a lot of major injuries to key players during our 14 years of winning.
By crispy
January 14, 2009 11:31 AM | Link to this
so is it DOBling now? Remember someone once thought Al Bundy had gold teeth, just turned out they were yellow.
By Jerald
January 14, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this
DOB
By gamecock Brave
January 14, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this
Buster Olney can kiss my *. I normally agree with his observations and reports, but cmon on man. Yes it would have been nice to pick up Peavy, but clearly Towers was trying to ring out the Braves like a dirty wash cloth. I applaud Wren for what he did. He tried, and tried, and finally has had one nice week of success. Maybe they overpayed, but it is what it is at this point. Im not even angry at the braves for the Smoltz situation. Maybe they did low ball him a little, but Smoltz is going into a much better situation than he would have been here, and I think he knows that. He wont be relied on heavily or pressured to come back quickly. The Red Sox have money to burn, and they saw a good investment. The braves offered what they could while tryin to preserve a shot out being a contender in 2009.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this
Chuck James, Braves made offer to Ohman about two months ago. When I talked to him last week, he said he was still considering other offers, as the market for most relievers was just beginning to firm up and teams were still calling to express interest and/or make their offers. Said if all things are equal, if Braves’ offer is very close to the others, he’d prefer to return here.
By Reality
January 14, 2009 11:39 AM | Link to this
Do not extend Chipper’s contract. It would be the best for Chipper and the Braves if he left after this year. You can not build a championship team around a guy who will miss 40 games per year.
Chipper for 130 games > Anyone else the Braves currently have for 160 games
By Joel
January 14, 2009 11:39 AM | Link to this
After looking at Nick Swishers stats over his career, I really hope we don’t sign him. He’s an average hitter at best and has average power. Add that to the fact that he has like three or four years left on his contract mean that the Braves would have to give up quite a bit to get him. Find a free agent or a better OF to trade for.
By Original Jon
January 14, 2009 11:40 AM | Link to this
JimTenn Do you really think it is going to take millions to sign AJ?
We could probably get him for the league minimum, maybe he would want more, but no more than 1 million, not millions and millions.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 11:41 AM | Link to this
If Dye’s contract may be too expensive for the Braves to take on (and the Sox want more than the Braves are willing to give up), then it looks like Swisher or Nady are the primary targets for LF. (Man, Gabe Kapler would have been a nice acquisition for the money.)
As for the pitching staff, I count 15 guys not named Glavine or Hanson who should be able to help the club this year:
SP: Lowe, Vazquez, Kawakami, Jurrjens
SP or RP: Morton, JoJo, Campillo, Bennett
RP: Gonzo, Soriano, Moylan, Boyer, Acosta, Logan, that other lefty we signed.
If Ohman joins the staff, that’s 16.
And that’s without relying on not only Hanson but also Parr or Locke or Medlin or any of the other prospects.
Competition in Florida should be fierce and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a few of these guys are dealt in the next few weeks — perhaps just after camp opens — with the guys who are out of options and not a lock for the staff being shopped first. I understand that Moylan may not be available until May, but still there’s a lot of quality depth.
Most likely to go? I’d say Morton, Boyer, Acosta, Bennett, and Campillo might draw the most interest as one piece of a trade. It’s a nice situation to be in.
By Marc
January 14, 2009 11:42 AM | Link to this
Ha, I’m with you Rufio!
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 11:43 AM | Link to this
Braves haven’t decided yet if they’re going to pursue Andruw, from what I’m told. He’s honestly not a priority, though that doesn’t mean they won’t ultimately make him an offer. We’ll have to see. He should become a free agent tomorrow, barring a last-minute trade….
TommyP: Yes, that was quite funny in that context you provided. But be honest, which was more interesting? And at least I didn’t ramble.
By DAP
January 14, 2009 11:46 AM | Link to this
eric from MO I disagree. Do not extend Chipper’s contract. It would be the best for Chipper and the Braves if he left after this year.
chipper is among the top hitter in all of baseball. still. the man has OPSed 1.005, 1.029 and 1.044 over the last three years. that is huge. i think if he can play 130 games, which he has done the last two years, he is worth keeping. there is no replacing chipper and what he can do.
while he may be getting older, his skills arent declining at all. in fact, you could make the argument that he is getting better and better. wren needs to make extending chipper a priority this offseason. after what happened with smoltz he had better not mess this up.
By cardvol
January 14, 2009 11:46 AM | Link to this
Who gets knocked off 40-man roster when Lowe comes on. It’s almost got to be a pitcher since they have about 25 of them.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this
Jerald, the Braves think Moylan should be ready to go coming out of spring training, or very soon thereafter. Don’t know yet about Soriano.
By Reality
January 14, 2009 11:55 AM | Link to this
Put me down as pro-Swisher. He has hit 21 or more homeruns the past four straight years, in big ballparks, and walks a ton (100 times in 2007, 97 times in 2006, 82 times in 2008, etc.) Swisher is easily better than anything the Braves have in their outfield right now.
By Random
January 14, 2009 11:55 AM | Link to this
Chop Chop: “Eric from MO, If you are seeing the blog in italics, could it be that all of our comments are just a schizophrenic’s thoughts being described in a third-rate novel written by a drunken hack?”
Nah — ‘cause I’m too busy reading the effin bold italics to be writin’ anything right now.
BA: “Wow, that’s the first time I’ve seen Bubdylan bomb!”
Here’s another example: “If you’ve ever mistaken the city of Atlanta for a town that gives a blue poop what a redneck huckster thinks of a GM’s dealings with a megalomaniac pitcher, you might be Jeff Foxworthy.”
jonbrewelberton: “DON’T TRADE ANY PITCHING!!!!!!!!!! NONE WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!”
‘Fraid they’re gonna have to, me boy-o — bullpen’s currently SRO, and not all of the excess can be sent to the minors.
And speaking of “boy-o”, it may now be just a matter of when, rather than whether, Blaine Boyer is traded.
Why, you ask?
Well, number one, he’s out of minor league options; two, he’s worth something on the MLB market, and the Braves stil have needs; and three, “loose lips, pink slips” — but I can’t see the Braves letting him go without trying to get something in return.
By dogsbrekky
January 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Link to this
Chipper for 130 games > Anyone else the Braves currently have for 160 games
WORD
Chipper rates in top 5 hitters in MLB only playing his 120-135 game pa, EOFS
Someone said we cannot afford Dye, do we NOT still have $7-$12 THIS YEAR before any increase FW may squeeze from Liberty
By Jerald
January 14, 2009 12:00 PM | Link to this
DOB
In reference to our bullpen, can you elaborate on when Soriano and Moylan will be able to pitch in games, or will they be ready by opening day? Thanks in advance!
By pat
January 14, 2009 12:04 PM | Link to this
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 12:05 PM | Link to this
What a difference a few days can make. When the Braves allowed icon John Smoltz to walk over what amounts to meal money for the mighty Red Sox, I opined that Frank Wren was going to have a hard time selling free agents on coming to the Braves. I now, very happily, stand corrected.
That leaves the main focus in Team Building on finding some offense for the outfield. Come on, Mr. GM, don’t stop now. You’re on a roll!
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Link to this
Reality no, not 160 but Francouer was 155 and Kelly had 150. McCann had 145, great for a catcher, and none of them are getting 12 million. Also Escobar had more too, and it wouldnt be out of realm to believe he could play 150 this season. You know Chipper is on the DL more than anybody.
By Leon
January 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Link to this
In order for the Braves to ever win a Championship that need to have guys that can hit the ball and not depend on Chipper year after year to carry them thru. The other guys need to pick up as if Chipper wasn’t on the team. One hitter can’t win all the games for a team. Just like basketball one guy can’t win all the games by scoring all the points. Yes it is good to have great pitcher but what good is that if you don’t have guys that can hit the ball. Why does it seem like other teams have both great hitter and pitcher. Mr. Wren needs to spend some of that money on acquiring some good hitter as well. Back in the 80 and 90 we had both so what has happened since then. Did something happen to all the scouting that use to go on when they would go out and watch other team play. Every year the Braves Management spend all this money year after year and the same things always happen year after year we still end up in the bottom of the pile. We (fan’s) all just got spoiled during the Braves earlier years of winning the division. It is hard watching games where we have the base loaded with no one out and still no runs can come in. Two many close games have been lost because of this and it seems like it is happening more and more as the years go by. We lost so many games last year by one run and several of those were lost when we had the bases loaded and no one out and still can’t get get a run or too in. I have been watching the Braves play since 1966 and will always be a Braves fan but I do get dispointed because I want to see then do good. So come on Braves less bring the Division Tilt back home this year.
By flange1
January 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Link to this
BravesfaninRockies has brought up a good point that we need to discuss! We have at least 16 and probably more pitchers that are competing for spots on the club. Here they are below. We need to know who has options and who doesn’t.
This should help us figure out who might be traded!
These are my opinions, I might be wrong and appreciate any helpful information!
Morton Yes, he has options JoJo Yes, he has options Campillo Yes, he has options Bennett NO, I think he is out Moylan Yes, he has options Boyer, NO, I think he is out Acosta, Yes, he has options Logan I have no clue Stockman NO, I think he is out Carlisle NO, I think he is out Parr Yes, he has options Lerew No, I think he is out Ridgeway I have no clue O’Flaherty I have no clue Bueno I have no clue
Any thoughts or help would be appreciated!
By Tomas
January 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Link to this
Hey giving Andruw a shot for 400k is perfect. If he has better offers well then he doesn’t come to Atlanta. But out of respect, I the Braves should at least offer him the league minimun. He has shown serious interest in coming back to his home, and if he doesn’t show signs of coming to his old self they cut him and no harm done. But they at least have to give him a chance to prove himself.
By Isenberg
January 14, 2009 12:25 PM | Link to this
Mr. O’Brien,
This might be a stupid question as I’ve seen the pictures of the Kawakami press conference, but is he indeed going to have “Kawakami” instead of “Kenshin” on the back of his jersey?
What is Ichiro’s reasoning for having his first name on the back of his? Is that common in Japan?
By DAP
January 14, 2009 12:26 PM | Link to this
dogsbrekky Someone said we cannot afford Dye, do we NOT still have $7-$12 THIS YEAR before any increase FW may squeeze from Liberty
no, we dont. which is really too bad. with the new money weve locked up this winter between lowe, vazquez, kawakami, ross and norton, thats about $36mil. (i dont count infante, because his $2mil or so had already been estimated in, before the “around $40mil estimate”)
now, DOB has said it might be closer to $50mil, but i have a feeling it wont be. i wouldnt expect it to go any higher than $45mil, and probably not even that far, which means we have about $9ml left.
wren might want to keep a little bit for mid season acquisitions, or he might spend it on ohman and an outfielder, i dont know, but dye would almost certainly cost too much. abreu and dunn probably would too.
who knows? payroll might spike and they might want to spend $50mil, using insurance money or something. but im thinking we wont be making anymore big commitments.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 12:27 PM | Link to this
OK, got to get to a meeting at the office. Carroll’s covering if anything happens with team this afternoon, and she’s also writing something from Smoltz’s press conference with local media this morning.
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Link to this
DAP Im not disagreeing with Chipper’s numbers. No reason to even throw those out to me. I know they are good, but the guy cant stay healthy. He only actually starts about 120 games. He may have played closer to 130 but 10 of those games he wasnt even healthy enough to start.
By Ron in mobile
January 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Link to this
What a difference five days make. After my initial anger over the Smoltz, I didnt think id make a game this season. now if a couple of things go our way, were right back in the post-season mix. Hudson is due back in august and if he gives us anything, well have a helluva post season rotation. How nice would it be to meet the Red Sox in the World Series. Now that is must see tv!
DOB i was in New York a couple of weeks ago. Flew in to Laguardia for the first time. Since i had a little time to kill, i went over to the new Citi Field. Shea stadiums the ugliest, dirtiest, worst excuse ive seen of a ballpark ever seen. Citi Field is ok, really like from atrium area. That part is definetly old school and cool looking. Ive been to eleven parks and have to say that the ballpark in Arlington is still my favorite. The lake and all the beautiful landscaping put it over the top to me. Not to mention the park itself very well done.
DOB do you concur that Shea looks like somthing that looks like belongs in a chemical plant?
By Ron in mobile
January 14, 2009 12:29 PM | Link to this
What a difference five days make. After my initial anger over the Smoltz, I didnt think id make a game this season. now if a couple of things go our way, were right back in the post-season mix. Hudson is due back in august and if he gives us anything, well have a helluva post season rotation. How nice would it be to meet the Red Sox in the World Series. Now that is must see tv!
DOB i was in New York a couple of weeks ago. Flew in to Laguardia for the first time. Since i had a little time to kill, i went over to the new Citi Field. Shea stadiums the ugliest, dirtiest, worst excuse ive seen of a ballpark ever seen. Citi Field is ok, really like from atrium area. That part is definetly old school and cool looking. Ive been to eleven parks and have to say that the ballpark in Arlington is still my favorite. The lake and all the beautiful landscaping put it over the top to me. Not to mention the park itself very well done.
DOB do you concur that Shea looks like somthing that looks like belongs in a chemical plant?
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Link to this
Eric from MO
I really hope the signing of Ross will let Heap rest a little more this year. I don’t think 145 games from a catcher is “great,” I think it’s scary if we hope he’s going to have a long and productive career.
Besides, he’s catching in the WBC, so he’s going to need more time off.
I would also hope that McCann will see a few games at DH during interleague play. Yeah, those games are an opportunity to rest Chipper, but Heap plays the more demanding position, and we need him to be fresh later in the season.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 12:35 PM | Link to this
flange1,
Thanks for reminding me of the forgotten man, Buddy Carlyle. Is he still with the club? If so, there’s another arm who may not have much value to other clubs in a trade, but has found ways to help the Braves.
O’Flaherty’s the lefty I couldn’t remember and yep, there’s Ridgway and Lerew. And the mysterious Mr. Stockman.
Man, I’ll miss hearing Skip say “time to open another can of pitchers,” but this year we may actually have them.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this
Here is something interesting to comtemplate:
A lot of people say we overpaid for Lowe.
But wouldn’t we have overpaid for Peavy as well?
I think the Lowe deal is a lot better in comparison. At least we still have our very versatile shortstop and all of our key prospects.
That Buster Olney article sounds a lot like something that Terrence Moore would write. Idiotic and not well thought out.
By dmack
January 14, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this
DOB
I would hope Andruw is not a priority. We have several capable CF’s in the system now. The priority should be LF. Even if he were a priority, they would not reveal the Atlanta front office would probably not wish to reveal its cards for other teams to come in and raise the price.
That said, I see the Braves taking a chance on Andruw. From that video, he looked to be in great shape. The swings he was taking in the cage were relaxed and controlled. I think he would return to the Braves for the league minimum. Make him win the job. The risk/reward is very heavily slanted in the Braves favor.
If he fails, the Braves have lost very little. They can plug Anderson into the leadoff spot (I prefer him over Blanco b/c he steals bases). This allows the Braves to delay the clock on Jordan Schafer. My guess is that the Braves want this core of very talented prospects to arrive at the same time.
At the end of the day, Andruw is only 31 years of age. I do not believe that he is “done” by any stretch of the imagination.
By Reality
January 14, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this
Eric from MO (12:10 PM),
To clarify, I mean Chipper Jones for 120-130 games is better than anyone else the Braves currently have….to play Chipper’s position; third base.
By Iron Labrum
January 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Link to this
DOB Smart move on putting gold on the second molar. Not an esthetic issue, it conserved tooth structure(minimum required reduction), and the gold will have very similar wear characteristics to enamel…which your opposing tooth will appreciate. The porcelain alternative would have had a fracture risk considering that force exertion per unit area increases dramatically the farther you go back in the mouth. Definitely a solid choice on dentist….PS How hot was she?
By caz1158
January 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Link to this
Hey I was reading yesterday that the Braves have’nt found replacements as of yet for announcers Pete & Skip. Here is a vote that the new guys be of the type “fans/fan”. What I mean by that,is not necessarily a big name sportscaster or radio guy. But a fresh voice/face, someone the fan can adapt and grow with.I hope it’s not someone who thinks/knows they know more than us the fans. Someone that does’nt talk down to the audience.Someone that makes you feel part of the game or sitting together at a bar downing a cool one talking sports with,that would be ideal. Oh yeah, Take care Smoltzy!!! Thank You!!! and God Bless.
By Eric from MO
January 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Link to this
Isenberg the reason Ichiro does this is because Suzuki is such a familar name in Japan.
By DAP
January 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Link to this
eric in mo obviously we both know the facts, we just come to different conclusions. i say extend him as soon as possible.
by the way, paul byrd says he is going to sit out the first half and then join a contender. says the braves are among his preferences. i cant see how we would need him in the second half, but if we have some extra money at the all star break and need a little help, byrd wouldnt be to bad.
By Random
January 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this
NickB: “here is my breakdown for innings
“Lowe-210,Vazquez-212, JJ-195,Kawakami-160, 5th starter- 150-160, spot starts and September call ups- 80 innings ( based on recent years numbers)
“That works out to 1017 innings. I give the over under of about 30. That puts the range between 987 and 1047. Either way that should help cut the stress on the bullpen.”
Surprisingly, that’s almost exactly what I was thinking for the rotation (I came up with 920 v your 937 — I hadd JJJ topping off at 180). But that was based on all of them making all of their starts.
What I think that you may have reckoned without is that those 80 IPs from Sep SP call ups — if it happens — would of neccesity decrease the number of starts by the rotation, and disproportionately decrease the average number of innings per start, since they would not be expected to go as deep into games.
So I guess my question is how many starts apiece are your 5 SPs’ IPs based on?
BravesFanInRockies: “As for the pitching staff, I count 15 guys not named Glavine or Hanson who should be able to help the club this year”
Hey — I too have recently turned my thoughts in that direction.
And don’t forget Buddy Carlyle, Jeff Ridgway, Lerew, Marek, O’Flaherty and Phil Stockman — there’s 24 pitchers on the 40-man roster, not counting Lowe.
“I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a few of these guys are dealt in the next few weeks — perhaps just after camp opens — with the guys who are out of options and not a lock for the staff being shopped first.”
Definitely — who all are out of minor league options? I know Boyer is (from last year) — no clue about any of the others.
By Mitchie-san
January 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Link to this
DOB
What size ball do they use in the WBC? Didnt Kenshin play for Japan? If they use a MLB size ball, Kenshin should be a little familiar with it, right?
I keep reading that people are worried about the transition he has to make. I dont recall Daisuke having any problems. Do you foresee any problems with this?
By Nick
January 14, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this
Show me anything that says Smoltz will miss the first half of the season. The only news to my knowledge is that Smoltz won’t be ready by the start of the season. He’s a horse. He’s proven it time and time again. He feels great and is throwing great, and he is going to tear it up in Boston. He could easily win 2 or 3 games in the playoffs on top of 12-13 in a shortened regular season. 15 wins. Count it
By Bobby's Cox
January 14, 2009 1:05 PM | Link to this
Coach,
the post made tons of sense.
Are you still a braves fan? Didn’t answer my question. You said you were ten times the “fan” i will ever be, but are you a braves fan? Please respond, “Yes, I am still a “braves” fan”. Or “no, I am no longer a braves fan.”
Thanks.
And sorry u still don’t grasp my concept. The first couple of years will be easier for KK than the last as hitters start to adjust. And when hitters do catch up, the braves have Hanson, Medlin, Redmond, Locke, Rohrborough, etc…that can take his place, or another pitcher from Japan that is MORE likely to come here now that KK has signed with us. I see optimism dude. Not sure how u can spin a thing into something bad. That was my point.
I’m not doubting you’re 10 times the fanatic i am. If you can take one post and call me a moron out of it, then ya, perhaps you have issues and need to back off a little, maybe 10 degrees or so.
By Mark
January 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Link to this
Mitchie-san,
I believe I heard that Dice-K could not use a couple of his pitches because of the ball size. I don’t forsee Kenshin having a problem with it though he doesn’t throw anything with a crazy grip on it like a split.
By Mitchie-san
January 14, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this
Mark
Yeah, now that you mention it, I think I remember something like that too. Something to do with his “gyroball” or whatever it was.
But you are right, it probably wont be a problem.
By KC
January 14, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this
Adam Dunn isn’t the right fit for the Braves. First of all, he’s looking for a 4-year deal, and that might place Dunn in Heyward’s way a year or two down the road.
What’s more, Dunn is a left-handed hitter who hit under the Mendoza line last year against lefties. That’s a big problem in a lineup that already has 3 lefty bats and a switch hitter who is more dangerous from the left side of the plate.
Nady is a perfect fit. He’s not the 30-40 HR a year guy we had with Teixeira… but he’ll give you 25 homers, 35-40 doubles, and 90-100 RBI while hitting .300. Good enough for me.
I know he’s only got a year left on his current deal, and he’s a Boras client. So it may be that they simply want too much talent for a guy who could be a rental for us. But I’m sure the Braves would like to have him… and I’d be thrilled to see him in a Braves uni. Nady would, along with the pitching additions, put the Braves right there with the Mets and Phillies.
By Fan-coeur (Frenchy has heart)
January 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Link to this
1) Give Chipper an extension NOW. 2) Sign Will Ohman. 3) Sign Adam Dunn (if we don’t have enough $$$ then trade Blanco, Jojo or Morton, GHernandez for Nady. 4) Sign Sheets on one-year deal (Hey, the Red Sox have about 7 or 8 possible starting pitchers including Penny,Smoltz, Bucholtz, Masterson). I don’t see Glavine coming back nor JoJo/Morton impressing anyone. Campillo is better as a reliever. If Sheets gets injured, bring Hanson. 5)Do NOT trade Kelly Johnson. PLAYBALL!
By nique
January 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Link to this
DOB is this what your sources have told you happened with Peavy? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3831815&name=olney_buster
If so, I’m sorry to say it again, but Wren should be fired immediately.
By Mitchie-san
January 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Link to this
Ugh, I wish we could trade for Nady and give him a new, long term contract. I really like that guy.
Since we are in the good with Boras, maybe…just maybe this could happen…
Nah….
By flange1
January 14, 2009 1:36 PM | Link to this
I think the Braves should consider Ankiel for their LF role.
I know he is left handed, but follow this for a minute.
The bench is currently made up of Infante, Prado, Norton and Ross, their is 1 spot left for a back up outfielder.
If the Braves trade for Ankiel, ANkiel can play LF, CF and RF.
SO the Braves could go with Diaz as their 4th outfielder.
Then if Schafer is the guy in CF and the Braves want to sit him against a tough lefty, they can move Ankiel to CF and let Diaz play left.
From an offensive perspective, the Braves are better with Diaz as the 4th guy rather than Blanco or Anderson.
Thoughts?
By Supes
January 14, 2009 1:38 PM | Link to this
Chipper Jones’ stats for 125 games played > Better than any other Braves regular can do in 162 games
Yeah, makes sense to “get rid of him” next year:LOOK:
Some of you won’t rest until our best player is “ran out of town”. Just remember, he bleed BRAVES baseball for u biatches!
By Heath
January 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this
I agree that Nady would be a better fit in the Braves line-up…but what will it cost the Braves to get him? I don’t mind that he would only be in a Braves uniform for year since we have some guys coming up in the minors, but I don’t think that Nady would be such a difference-maker that we should give up a lot in return. If we got him, would Nady bay 4th? Is he really a 4th-place hitter? I don’t think Abreu is a 4th-place hitter either—don’t want him at all. I wonder if the Braves have openly stated they may not get a LFer until after the season started because they are interested in seeing how Diaz looks? Isn’t it possible that we have a decent LFer already in Diaz? The guy can flat out rake. Maybe he doesn’t hit 30-40 HRs, but 15-20 and a ton of doubles with a high BA is something that would fit in great for this team. With Chipper hitting in front of him and McCann hitting behind him…I think Diaz would be smoking a ton of doubles to the right-field gap.
By Lee in S GA
January 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this
Nady would, along with the pitching additions, put the Braves right there with the Mets and Phillies.
KC I would be o.k. with Nady in a Braves uniform also. I’ve thought all along he would be my choice over Swisher, Dye, or Dunn, even as a possible 1 year rental. And you are probably right, he just may be the 1 missing piece that would put the Braves back into contention with the Phillies and Mets.
I really wish someone would sign A.Jones also, assuming anyone wants to give him a chance. That would also eliminate any chance of his returning to the Braves.
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Link to this
i hope the Braves are not considering Andruw jones. he swings and misses at the down and away slider every time. After all these years, he is still vulnerable to that pitch. Jermaine Dye is the one we need to get. To a lesser degree, Adam Dunn. Though Dunn strikes out too much and would give us yet another lefty hitter. We’ve got enough (KJ, CK, McCann, Chipper vs righthanded pitching, 4 of the 8) We need a righthanded bat.
By Paula
January 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Link to this
Nick, the Red Sox have told Smoltz not to be ready before June.
nique, Peavy does not want to come to Atlanta, so any continued talk about him is irrelevant.
By Fan-coeur (Frenchy has heart)
January 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this
Good point about Nady, KC. Wouldn’t agree more.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this
Eric McCann had 145, great for a catcher
It’s a “great” number of games, yes…but I wouldn’t cry myself to sleep if he didn’t play that many games this year. Actually, technically speaking, McCann only caught 138 games, with 132 starts. The other 7 games were just pinch-hitting appearances.
BravesFanInRockies I think it’s scary if we hope he’s going to have a long and productive career.
Yeah…”scary”, that’s the word. Ross oughta allow Mac a few extra days off. I like that signing a lot right now.
Besides, he’s catching in the WBC, so he’s going to need more time off.
Yeah, gosh darn it. I keep sayin’ that thing better not mess up his season!
Some DH’ing wouldn’t hurt, either. And speaking of BMac in interleague play…How ‘bout a nice big homer offa Smoltzie??
((: )
By brent a.
January 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this
Perhaps Buster Olney should research Chipper Jones’ actual comments on the matter, as opposed to making up hypothetical comments.
For example, the ones where Chipper said something to the effect of, “If Jake wanted to be in Atlanta, he’d be in Atlanta. We had the best proposal on the table.”
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Link to this
Nique…
The Braves did the right thing pulling out of the Peavy talks.
While it’s true that the payroll dollars for Derek Lowe are marginally higher than the amount that would have been paid to Jake Peavy, Peavy, by far, would have cost the Braves more. The Braves would have had to “pay” the Padres the following:
1) A rising young major league shortstop (Yunel Escobar) 2) A decent young major league pitcher (Charlie Morton or Blaine Boyer) 3) A high-quality minor league outfielder prospect (Jordan Schafer or Gorkys Hernandez) 4) A high-quality minor league left-handed pitcher with big strikeout totals (Jeff Locke)
I am not a real huge Frank Wren fan…but I have never criticized him for NOT making this move.
Look at it this way, Nique, the Cubs did the exact same thing. The Pads were asking way too much from them.
Also remember, that Olney is ESPN’s equivilent to Terrence Moore.
By rammerjammer
January 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Link to this
Interesting how Olney never mentions Peavy’s reported reluctance to go to Atlanta, nor his longing for Chicago. How strong Peavy’s feelings were, we can’t know for sure. But to ignore it as if it wasn’t there is both sloppy and suspicious.
And the Cubs, who also tried and failed to get Peavy, get a pass? Very curious. Also curious that Olney was once the Padres’ beat writer.
Look, Atlanta and Chicago eventually got what they wanted, San Diego didn’t, and the sad Padres provided their pal Olney with some exclusive inside information (the deal hinged on Locke or Boyer?).
Yawn.
By richbrave
January 14, 2009 2:08 PM | Link to this
HEATH:
Would work great. No one’s gonna’ groove MATT any pitches with CHIP and/or others on base. He’s got to be one of the best bad ball hitters I’ve ever seen. With McCANN, KOTCHMAN behind him, he should be a doubles machine.
By shelby dawkins
January 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Link to this
I concur with signing Sheets. It would be a smart move. Hasn’t he been signed already? Surprising if not. I’m ready to go to spring training. This whole winter has been a big pain in the @$$ in more ways than one.
By shelby dawkins
January 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this
just wanted to say that I like the signing of Kawakami. He seems very humble and that is a very refreshing thing to see in MLB. He will have a lot to prove however. I wish him luck.
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this
Braves should now get a RH power hitting outfielder and Ben Sheets (1 yr deal of course). I agree Dixie Dawg. Braves did right to hold on to their prospects instead of trading them for Peavy. They can use the depth with the young pitchers they would have traded to San Diego to come up when a Ben Sheets (or anyone else on the staff) gets hurt. They need to get Ben Sheets though. If he stays healthy, then we can contend.
By YankeeDawg
January 14, 2009 2:19 PM | Link to this
Eric in MO, you’re assuming BA w RISP is frequent. Needs to be multiplied by number of events = total runs produced per opportunity. Then a real comparrison can take place.
By Cameron in NC
January 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Link to this
BA In regards to Escobar over Reyes. Reyes hit like 16 homeruns and had about 60 RBIs last year. What I ment is I think Escobar will be bigger HR and RBI wise. I think he is strong enough to be a great hitter with HR power and really great gap power. Reyes has the speed but I can see Escobar hitting 20 homeruns, and have around 75+ RBIs. And like I said about Francoeur its all opinionated, I think Jeff will bounce back to his 2006 year of 29 homeruns, 103 RBIs, and if he does that, wouldnt you agree he would be the best right fielder? Also I said the Braves dont have the best ACE, but thier 2-5 is way better than any other teams.
Reality
Like I said also, im one of the biggest Chipper Jones fans in the world. I think hes a great player. But im not going to be an a***** like most people and give David Wright no credit. Chipper Jones IS a better feilder than David and should have had 2 gold gloves in the last 2 years. But hitting wise. Chipper hit 22 homeruns, and had 75 RBIs last year. While, Wright had 33 homeruns and 133 RBIs. Who was better? I hope Chipper has a better year than David Wright this year and has 30+ homeruns, and 100+ RBIs. But it just looks like he will average 25 and 90 and hit around .350. Also I think Andruw will be the comeback player of the year. and thats my opinion, I think he will work his a* off to be the Andruw we all used to love playing in Atlanta. And if he does produce numbers close to what he used to, he will be the 2nd best center fielder in the East behind Beltran. Also I stated my Jeff Francoeur statment above to BA. And your right I did forget catcher. Brian McCann will be the best catcher in the East, if not the major leagues.
McFann
Haha yeah thats what happen. But yeah I forgot catcher. I think McCann will be the best catcher in the East, if not the best in the majors. And I think McCann will win the starting spot on the AllStar team this year.
By 1eyedJack
January 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Link to this
I would like to see Diaz get the nod as the everyday left fielder. That boy can hit a bottle cap with a broomstick and although he won’t make anybody forget Willie Mays in the field at least he gives %100 on every play.
By flange1
January 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Link to this
Guys,
I am a Sheets fan too, but the Braves have signed 2 new pitchers and traded for 1.
I don’t think they will sign another starter.
LF is next up on FW’s to do list.
By Ron H
January 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this
hey DAP, i agree with you. Byrd would be a solid addition. lately, we’ve seemed to be hamptoned (hampered) by injuries.
We get byrd, put him in the bullpen, then use him when one of the SP goes down…byrd has been pretty reliable. a good no. 4 of 5 SP when he’s on.
By nique
January 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this
Dixie Dawg,
A couple of things to think about: Peavy is much better and younger than Lowe (and could’ve had a potentially longer term future with the Braves than Lowe); Gorkys or Schafer is going to be traded at some point since the Braves probably won’t play them both at the same time; Locke’s greatest value at this point is as a tradable commodity since I don’t believe he’s near playing in the majors; and the Cubs bowed out because they didn’t have the talent the Braves had to offer.
I don’t mean to rehash the virtues of trading for Peavy since that obviously aint happening, I just was wondering if Olney’s account was accurate. DOB confirm?
By KC
January 14, 2009 2:34 PM | Link to this
Lee In S GA: I don’t have any problem with the Braves giving Andruw a chance. He’d only get a bare minimum contract (a half-million), and he would essentially be trying out for the team at this point. If he sucked all the way through spring training, he’d never make it to opening day. But if he’s in good shape and finally ready to listen to TP… you never know.
The closest thing to compare this to would be Javy Lopez last spring. They gave him a chance, but when he didn’t show enough sign of the Javy of old, he was cut. But let’s keep in mind that he’ll still be 31 years old on opening day. This isn’t like some 38 or 40 year-old coming back to see if he has anything left in the tank. With Andruw, he’d be coming back to try and get his career back on track. And who knows? Mabye he will.
I think it’s worth the half-million dollar risk to find out.
By MattyRoss
January 14, 2009 2:39 PM | Link to this
Does anyone know if Wren has come out and said that he’s done working on the rotation? Maybe that’ll come up at the Lowe press conference. I can’t see the Braves having the funds for Sheets and a bat. Quite frankly, if they also get Sheets, that would render the Smoltz situation all the more inexplicable to a guy like Chipper, I’d imagine. Doesn’t seem like we need more pitching. Maybe some feel like we don’t have a true Ace, but we don’t really have spots for anyone, especially looking at 2010 if Hudson and Hanson are in the fold. I’d be interested to see what Wren says about his agenda at this point. I’m sure we’ll hear soon enough.
By Hardball19
January 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Link to this
Why are people still suggesting we sign Sheets? We already have 4 starters locked in with Morton, JoJo, Campillo and Hanson fighting it out for the fifth spot during Spring Training. AND then you have the possible return of Glavine and the probable return of Hudson (our ACE). Why do we think that blocking our prospects is a good idea? Leave Sheets be and focus on the task at hand, which is a big bat!
By KC
January 14, 2009 2:43 PM | Link to this
In regard to Peavy… if he wants to be in Atlanta now (that the Braves have significantly upgraded the team), he probably still could be.
There’s not a ton of payroll flexibility left, but they’d make a way to bring Peavy into the fold if they could do without giving up too much in return.
All of the pieces that were initially offered for Peavy are still there. It would leave the Braves with a hole to fill at SS, but it would be well worth it the make this pitching staff, hands down, the best in the league.
Not going to happen though.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 2:44 PM | Link to this
I like the idea of Nady coming. I think that a one or two year deal would be good.
That way, the “young uns” will have time to finish developing and hopefully be ready for big league ball.
We’ll see what Wren has going on.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Link to this
rammerjammer,
From my recollection, Olney’s fully unreliable about the Peavy non-trade. He always had the cart before the horse. He claimed that the deal never happened because the Braves were unwilling to guarantee Peavy’s no trade clause if he came to Atlanta.
Of course, no one ever knew if Peavy would waive that same NTC to come to Atlanta in the first place. Or at least it was never reported that Peavy would waive the NTC, only that he said at some point in the distant past that he might be willing to come to Atlanta.
People can say all they want about Wren fumbling that trade, but Peavy was the only guy who could have made negotiations possible.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this
All this talk about Sheets, sheesh, folks sure like to spend other people’s money.
And we still don’t have a LF.
By Hardball19
January 14, 2009 2:51 PM | Link to this
KC I agree that Andruw is worth a minimal investment. He physically looks in great condition and has a determined air about him that we have not seen before in Atlanta. And if he can produce like he did in 05’ and 06’, well, that would be something, wouldn’t?
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 2:52 PM | Link to this
Dixie Dawg,
Nady’s a free agent at the end of this season. And he’s a Boras client. So you’d get him for only one year. Same with Ankiel.
So the question to answer: Is either one available, and what would you have to give up to get either for one season?
Like ‘em both, but they’re rentals.
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 2:54 PM | Link to this
We need to get Ben Sheets. If we can get 10-12 wins out of him (even with him getting hurt) along with the 15 we’re gonna get from Lowe, the 12 we’re gonna get from Jurrjens and Vazquez each and even just 10 from Kawakami, the starting rotation would be deadly. Anyone agree?
By #1 Smoltz Fan
January 14, 2009 2:54 PM | Link to this
I say we have to take a chance on Andruw this spring, UNLESS Franky “I am the master” Wren has a card or two up his sleave. If he has plans to put to major bats in the LF/CF positions through trade or FA then maybe there is no reason to take a chance on Andruw. But my gut tells me there is no way that will happen.
IMO We need to take a chance on Andruw with initial plans of putting him LF IF HE MAKES THE TEAM! If not we go with a platoon of one of the youngsters from the farm and Diaz. As for CF, this is where we need the big trade/FA signing NOW.
Can you imagine:
**ROTATION- Lowe (should be Smoltz, Could be Huddy late in the year) Vazquez (Should be Lowe after Huddy is back) Jurgens (I hope he is our ace by ‘11) Super K Glavine ( He has the experience and Super K, Hanson need him + he should be able to provide #5 like numbers and if not to the bullpen he goes with Hanson stepping in by June)
Lineup Escobar - SS Johnson - 2B CJones - 3B MCCann - C X Nady - CF AJones - LF (and back to form) Francoeur - RF (and back to form) Kotchman - 1B (moving/ switching with #2, #3 in lineup depending on productivity)**
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 3:01 PM | Link to this
Cameron in NC—
That’s OK. It’s a reasonable mistake (OK, maybe not, but I’ll let it slide this once! ; ) ).
Definitely the best catcher in the East—that’s gotta be hands down. Best catcher in the Majors…I’d love that. Little extra off-season work on the O and D (and the W) cann go a long way…I hope.
Hey, it’s a possibility he’ll be the best in the Majors, though I don’t know everybody—Joe Mauer’s pretty good, but he doesn’t have the power that Mac has. Mauer puts up a good AVG, though, and I think his defense is all right…but I’m not completely sure.
And how cann we forget my old pall, John Grove (Geovanny Soto, to be exact)? Nah, he might have to settle for the number 2 spot…or number 3…depends on what Russell Martin does. Course, if you were to ask for Clint Hurdle’s opinion…
And I think McCann will win the starting spot on the AllStar team this year.
I think so, too, if he’s got the numbers. And now that we have a Japanese guy on our team, our guys will start gettin’ the Japanese vote, right? Nice…
Later!
By Nate
January 14, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this
The real risk in signing Andruw is that he puts up mediocre numbers in spring training, makes the team anyway, and gets way too much playing time regardless of how bad his numbers get.
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 3:03 PM | Link to this
Hey Dixie Dawg. Thanks for directly quoting my comment on ESPN.com. I actually have it saved in my docs as Earth to Buster. lol - You could have referenced me or something. Here is the entire comment:
You’re wrong, Buster. While it’s true that the payroll dollars for Derek Lowe are marginally higher than the amount that would have been paid to Jake Peavy, Peavy, by far would have cost the Braves more. The Braves would have had to “pay” the Padres the following:
1) A rising young major league shortstop (Yunel Escobar)
2) A decent young major league pitcher (Charlie Morton or Blaine Boyer)
3) A high quality minor league outfielder prospect (Jordan Schafer or Gorkys Hernandez)
4) A high quality minor league left-handed pitcher with big strikeout totals (Jeff Locke)
When looking at the overall picture, it seems to me, Buster, that Derek Lowe - who’s success has been generally comparable to Jake Peavy - is was extremely more affordable for the Braves.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 3:04 PM | Link to this
The Sheets things, I’m not sure about. Wouldn’t that block Hanson? I could be wrong (and I have been before) but I thought I read on here that Hanson might be coming up in the course of the season.
On Nady…how could Wren “finagle” that without giving up too much.
I’d hate to be Wren. He’s got some tough decisions ahead.
By Ron H
January 14, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this
Peavy is not coming to Atlanta. we have our pitching staff for 2009
the braves now have about $10M left over, right?
Sign Abreu. He’s solid, possibly good for 90-100RBI and 20-25HR and he’s a decent OF. we can probably get him for $10M range per year (maybe 2 years). don’t go after Dunn. he’s just not clutch enough, especially for the price. yeah, he hits HR, but strikes out at an exponential rate.
i say again, wouldn’t it be ironic (Smoltz) if the Braves made it to the post season and the Sox didn’t? The Sox not making it to the postseason is a possibility now that the Yanks are loaded…The braves still need to add a bat or two, but could contend for a wildcard spot…
Dodger = NL West Cubs = NL Central Phillies = NL East NL WC = Braves/Mets/ or Brewers
The NL East will be the toughest division in NL
By cmac1919
January 14, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this
Buster Olney can go jump off a bridge. Seriously, Peavy didn’t want to come the Braves because he didn’t consider us “contenders.”
I bet he feels stupid now. Hope he has a good time losing 100 games with the Padres
By Mitchell
January 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Link to this
I’ve got a complaint.
What’s with the new website? I don’t like it.
There. Sometimes change isn’t good.
By Random
January 14, 2009 3:11 PM | Link to this
nique: “DOB is this what your sources have told you happened with Peavy?
“http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3831815&name=olney_buster
“If so, I’m sorry to say it again, but Wren should be fired immediately.”
You should go back and also read the comments submitted to Olney — every single one of them (asides from the ones about whether the Mets are chokers) takes issue with his facts and conclusions.
It simply is not a credible account of what actually happened.
BravesFanInRockies: “O’Flaherty’s the lefty I couldn’t remember”
In that case, add Boone Logan.
By mbatl
January 14, 2009 3:11 PM | Link to this
If we could get Sheets for a ridiculously low guarantee, and then incentives… on a 1 year deal… I think it would be great. Huge upside, no downside.
But every other team (or nearly every one) probably feels the same way. Someone will offer him a pretty substantial deal, and we can’t do that.
I’m leaning toward not trading for a 1-year rental; but rather keeping the prospects in-house, and playing it out for half the season with Diaz, Blanco, Anderson, Schafer and Frenchy in the OF (and who knows, maybe Andruw). Oh, and the forgotten guy, Brandon Jones, might enter the mix too.
For right now, signing Ohman might be just as important as getting an OF. The ‘pen sounds great… if you say it fast. But I have little faith in the durability of any of the big three (Soriano, Moylan, and Gonzo). Ohman is good for 60 quality innings or more, and is a lefty. With a solidly RH starting rotation, that might be big.
If we go that route, we can always make a trade for a bat in July if needed.
Don’t feel strongly about it though… if we make a good deal for a power bat, I’ll be all for it.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this
TheAntiMe,
I know good stuff when I see it :)
I feel exactly the same way. We would have had to given up the “farm” literally speaking.
Sorry for the plagiarism. Don’t report it to the “blog nazis” ;)
By JB
January 14, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this
January 9, 2009 Bobby was on XM this morning. Here are the things that stood out:
They met with Lowe, Boras and one of Boras’ assistants yesterday in Atlanta for 5 hours. Thinks Lowe could be a great pitcher for 3-4 years (I like how he threw that 4th year in there!). Said he is a smart guy and even smarter pitcher who is in excellent shape.
Bobby also said it would come down to Atlanta and some teams in the NE.
Said Burnett really wanted to play in Atlanta but it was because his wife would not fly and because they own a huge horse farm in upstate Maryland that has a direct train route to NYC.
Started to talk about Peavy, about how much they wanted him and how Frank gave them exactly what they were asking for twice. He then stopped mid-sentence and said something like he didn’t know many details. It was clear he was getting into an area that he wasn’t comfortable talking about, which was probably Peavy declining the trade.
Said Wren is very close to getting the one bat they need. Didn’t get specific but said he thought Wren was about to get it done.
Said they still need another pitcher even if they were going to go all the way. Said they could compete as is but couldn’t go deep.
Thinks Frenchy and Kotchman will have break out years. Said Jeff has been working on his swing all winter.
He really likes Jair and is thrilled to have Vazquez.
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this
I don’t know all the buzz about geovanny soto. Brian McCann is way better than Geovanny Soto. his numbers are better and he’s a better hitter.
By 1eyedJack
January 14, 2009 3:13 PM | Link to this
If we trade for an outfielder I would prefer Nady over Swisher. Is there any way we could steal Nate McLouth from Pittsburg?
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Link to this
Mitchell
Obama approved of this website, because this is change you can believe in :)
By kirkinga
January 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Link to this
Wow, it sure is great to read all the positive and hopeful comments. It was really depressing here for awhile.
DOB, thanks for posting Lowe’s recent numbers. There are some who ignore them, but it’s good to see how he compares to Peavy and others.
Lowe is not a mid rotation guy. Maybe in three years time he’ll become that, but by then some of our young pitching should be leading the rotation anyway and Lowe will be playing the role of venerable veteran.
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 3:23 PM | Link to this
Hey Dixie Dawg. I’m just kidding with you. It’s actually very cool to have someone agree with me because it don’t always work out that way. :)
By 6-4-3
January 14, 2009 3:27 PM | Link to this
I really hope the Braves can land Nady. I think he’d fit perfectly even if it’s just for a year.
We have a surplus of pitching so I was wondering if the Yanks would take a couple of our prospects. Or possibly one good prospect like Morton and one younger middle reliever type.
I’m not so interested in moving Prado in a deal for Nady though, I’d rather hold onto him because he’s pretty valuable. But I’d have to consider it if that’s what the Yankees really wanted. Tough call.
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 3:27 PM | Link to this
Pittsburgh wants the entire city of Atlanta for Nate McLouth, but he’s another lefty hitter. Right handed bats we need.
By sanchez
January 14, 2009 3:28 PM | Link to this
Pittsburgh is willing to listen to offers for Nate McLouth, but from what I’ve read the asking price is horrendous.
By Braveheart
January 14, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this
Uh, sorry, Dixie Dawg, Buster Olney and Terrence Moore are not similar in any way.
By J.L.
January 14, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this
Hate to rain on the parade,but we still have BOOBY for a manager!
By Patrick
January 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Link to this
DOB, what are the odds that Andruw is a Brave by the weekend? I know he’s released tomorrow by the Dodgers. Would you say an 80% chance? 90%? 100% positive? I’d love that last one. ;)
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Link to this
Paul Maholm was also briefly discussed as well as Zack Greinke, but again the asking price was too much
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 3:37 PM | Link to this
What’s all the buzz about Xavier Nady? He’s not a cleanup hitter type to me. He’s no better than Jeff Francoeur. For what the Yankees will probably ask, we can get someone better than Nady.
By Mitchie-san
January 14, 2009 3:40 PM | Link to this
100%
By Chuck Woolery
January 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Link to this
It looks like we may have made a love connection between “Cameron in NC” and “McFann”.
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Link to this
The Pirates, in general, are pirates in the way that they always ask for multiple high-quality minor league prospects due to the fact that they don’t like to spend much in payroll, to say the least.
When was the last time they actually kept a good player when it was time for their contract to be renewed? I could be mistaken, but it seems to me the last player that I can remember them re-signing to a decent contract was catcher Jason Kendall.
By Ron H
January 14, 2009 3:49 PM | Link to this
Sombody needs to start a fan section called:
Kawakami’s Kamikazes
By Wiley T
January 14, 2009 3:49 PM | Link to this
resign Andruw Jones!!…..wait a minute while I go sh!t a cow now
By LivininAL
January 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Link to this
OK, Would some knowledgeable perosn tell me about how much money we have left to spend this year? Thanks
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Link to this
6-4-3 We cannot move Prado. He’s insurance if KJ is dealt for a power hitter (Ryan Ludwick). And Prado has shown that he can play every day (led the league in BA in August 2008).
And what about Matt Diaz folks? Where does he play into the power hitting left fielder equation? 4th outfielder? Trade bait maybe?
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 3:53 PM | Link to this
Braveheart..
They both rip the Braves…that’s similar enough for me…but, hey…I agree to disagree with you..
The beauty of free speech…
By PMC
January 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Link to this
Ok Very nice moves to bolster the rotation.
Any chance we can Bring Jermaine Dye in to play left for 2 years?
By amorrow
January 14, 2009 3:56 PM | Link to this
can someone tell me if this whole blog is bold text for them or is it just my computer because it is very annoying to read for me - thanks
By Jersey Gil
January 14, 2009 3:56 PM | Link to this
DOB A lot of talking in town about the Performance last night of Jodie Meeks 54 pt that he launched himself into the POY race, Did you agree or Blake Griffin still the front runner? We’ll seehow the second half goes….
I think the Braves need to sign Hudson and used Kelly in Left and also get Perez, so the Mets still shocking this Year, It not hurst got to much Pitching now we have a good relation with Mr. Boras. We Need a lefty in the Rotation, JoJo has his chance last year, i know he is young but he look like to me another Chucky James.
By Hardball19
January 14, 2009 3:56 PM | Link to this
The upside to Andruw is that he would have to compete for a job…which he has never had to do before…and he would be in a position to have to keep his job…which there has never been justification for since he has never really had a replacement…There really is no downside if he is offered a minimal contract. Recall Javy Lopez if you will…And Sheets, dude is looking for roughly 10 mil, even for one year, and with Morton showing promise, etc, etc, etc…
By Original Jon
January 14, 2009 3:59 PM | Link to this
Yeah Ron H, why dont you get on that, and be a little more bigoted while you are at it.
a Kamikaze was a suicide fighter pilot, way to be hospitable. Jerk.
By Tomahawk Matt
January 14, 2009 4:02 PM | Link to this
Buster Olney and the rest of the ESPN baseball “experts” & clowns (using this term loosely) are all idiots. The Buster Olney “Curious Offseason in Atlanta” article is more proof.
The ESPN baseball clowns bet against the Braves for year after year after year after year after year (do this 14 times). Why would anyone believe any crap they say or write? They’re worse than the Weekly World News with the BatBoy stories.
ESPN is so far up the rears of NY & Boston and USC and THE Ohio State University that there’s no point in watching any more. What the H is the point of my blog?
I get all the news I need from Mr. Dave O’Brien - King of Blog.
I believe. I believe. I believe we still have a chance in 09.
GO BRAVES!!!
By Reality
January 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Link to this
We cannot move Prado.
Yes the Braves can. A utility guy like Chone Figgins or Martin Prado is what the Yankees are looking for for Swisher/Nady. It’d be a good trade. The Braves have plenty of guys who can backup Kelly Johnson at second if he needs a day off; like the recently-extended Omar Infante.
By AdirondackDave
January 14, 2009 4:08 PM | Link to this
Amorrow — Must be your computer? My iBook is getting most text in regular type with an occasional denizen using bold.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 4:08 PM | Link to this
getnathan,
Reading slightly between the lines, it’s my impression that the Braves see Diaz only as part of a LF platoon or a bench player. I even think DOB recently said that Diaz acknowledges as much — that he could have won a regular job in LF before he was hurt last year and he just didn’t put up the numbers to justify the Braves trusting the position to him.
All of which means if the Braves get a lefty hitter to play LF, Diaz may still get a lot of PT. If they instead go righty, then Diaz is nothing more than a pinch hitter or a potential insurance policy in RF If Frenchy is a total bust again in 2009.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 4:11 PM | Link to this
BTW, folks, the Padres are apparently on the verge of signing Omar Freakin’ Vizquel to be their everyday shortstop. Talk about lowered expectations — from Spiccoli to (potentially) Yunel to a member of AARP in a few short weeks.
By wheelz007
January 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Link to this
Our rotation looks solid for 2009. We may not have a Cy Young-type, but we have 4 potential good ones, and then Hudson will hopefully get healthy.
We have depth, experience and even some young guys that will contribute. Great job Wren!!!
Will be very optimistic when he secures “the bat” that’s been talked about.
By NJBraves
January 14, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this
If Buster Olney’s article is correct, then Wren is a moron. You can’t allow a minor leaguer to be a deal breaker, especially when he isn’t one of your top tier prospects. I really hope this sin’t true. Glad they got Lowe, but Peavy was the better option.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this
flange1 Not sure if you’ll ever see this post, with everything being all screwed up today, but a ocmment or two on your post about the bench players a couple of hours ago.
I saw that problem coming a long time ago, with Diaz coming back. I personally think it will be hard on the rest of the bench to have both Norton and Diaz on the same team, unless you do exacly something similar to your suggestion. Ankiel. Actually, you could do something similar w/ Jim Edmonds and Ken Griffey Jr.
I guess time will tell.
As for all the pitchers we have, well I guess that’s a good problem to have, huh.
Later…
By DAP
January 14, 2009 4:18 PM | Link to this
getnathan What’s all the buzz about Xavier Nady? He’s not a cleanup hitter type to me. He’s no better than Jeff Francoeur. that is very incorrect. well, the jeff francouer part is, anyways. nady is way better than jeff francouer. he isnt an ideal cleanup hitter, though. youre right about that. id bat him 5th if we had him, and leave mccann to cleanup.
livininAL OK, Would some knowledgeable perosn tell me about how much money we have left to spend this year? no one can be sure, because we werent given a specific amount that they were going to spend. but so far weve spent about $36mil.
original jon thanks for your comments to ron h. my thoughts exactly.
By mr baseball
January 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Link to this
Something to consider when projecting the lineup & roster for the ‘09 Braves: Unless it involves Norton or 1 of the 2 CFs who make the team, there will be no platoon in LF, barring a change in the number of pitchers who make the final roster.
Carrying 12 pitchers, which the Braves have done for years along with most other teams, leaves only 5 spots for position players off the bench. Prado, Infante, Norton & Ross will be 4 of the 5. The 5th will be the runnerup in the Anderson/Blanco/Schafer competition in CF. If 2 of those guys stand out, one would split time in LF, but that would leave the Braves with next to no power from the OF, especially if Francouer does not return to pre-‘08 form.
Diaz is not an everyday player. He lacks power and speed, is limited defensively and is simply not much of a run producer. Norton is a pinch hitter and no more than a once-a-week starter. No room at the inn for Brandon Jones (trade bait).
The best solution to the LF situation is Nady. Dunn & Abreu likely will cost more than Wren is able/comfortable to spend. Nady is in his contract year, and would probably be just a rental, but that also reduces what it would take to get him.
One other possibility is Edmonds, who would give the team more flexibility. Since he can play CF, the Braves would need to carry only 1 other CF, and he could platoon with Diaz, who is more suited to that role.
Or Wren could so something really off beat. Sign Edmonds, trade for Nady & start both with Anderson or Blanco as a 4th OF & Infante platooning in CF with Edmonds. That would give the Braves 8 potential HR hitters in the lineup against RH pitchers. No speed, but the Braves didn’t have any the last time they won the World Series.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Link to this
I think the streets will be clogged soon with FA players looking for a place of shelter, inside and away from the cold and the rain!
Welcome to Life 101 folks.
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 4:26 PM | Link to this
REALITY:
I don’t want to get rid of Prado because he’s also a utility infielder who can play everyday, and is less of a streaky hitter than KJ. KJ would be a great chip to trade for our ever elusive Power hitting outfielder. I would not give up anything for Xavier Nady (what’s coming to mind is the GS he hit off Joey Devine in Extra Innings, but I digress). Nady is just not the imtimidating, 4th place hitter we need. He’s a great #6 hitter (#5 against lefties) but we got Frenchy for that.
By Drummerdad
January 14, 2009 4:27 PM | Link to this
I have seen different headlines referring to the Braves’ offseason of mediocrity. I wouldn’t call what’s been done so far “mediocre”. I don’t think there’s anything mediocre about Lowe, Vasquez, KK, Norton, or Infante. I would say that this has been an offseason of frustration, anger, and heartache. Like the kid said, “with all this horse poop, there’s gotta be a pony in here somewhere.”
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 4:28 PM | Link to this
Although signing Andruw Jones would be a relatively inexpensive acquisition, I really hope that the Braves don’t go there. We’ve all seen him during his best years as a Brave, which were very good, and at the time it made sense because he seemingly had all of the upside potential in the world.
I think it would be unwise to go to an aging former star just hoping that he can be more than a shell of his former self. I saw his early stats in the winter league and they were quite unimpressive.
Andruw just doesn’t seem the right fit for a team that has so much young talent at the outfield positions, including 2 players that played for Atlanta in 2008 who probably would have a chance to put up better numbers than Andruw can in 2009.
While neither of them is likely to win the MVP, I really think that both Josh Anderson and Brandon Jones are much more solid than most people think.
Not to mention that we have Jordan Schafer and Gorkys Hernandez due to hit town in the near future. Andruw Jones re-joining the Braves should so definitely be a “been there, done that” kind of experience for Frank Wren and the Braves.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 4:28 PM | Link to this
Why aren’t my italics working today? Sheesh…
Test
By Richie
January 14, 2009 4:28 PM | Link to this
I think Swisher is the better acquisition for us. He can learn to become a better hitter, for average and power, by the having one of the best switch hitters in the history of the game on his squad. He would be his defacto hitting coach. Plus the current hitting coach was a switch hitter in his playing days as well. That is tons of knowledge to soak up. It makes sense for the Yankees to keep Nady because he’ll be a FA next year and score a fat contract from someone else in that monster lineup they have. They get a draft pick back for the ones they gave up this year. We are losing our 2nd round pick, by signing Lowe. Let’s keep our picks, restocking the farm system. Remember, we could use some INF prospects if we plan to trade, now and/or in the future.
By Joe B
January 14, 2009 4:32 PM | Link to this
David O’Brien,
I was wondering if you thought that since the Braves now have Lowe and significanly upgraded their pitching staff, Jake Peavy could be enticed to reconsider Atlanta. Wasn’t his main motivation to not come here that Atlanta might not be competetive enough? Have you heard anything on this?
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Link to this
NJBraves, I wouldn’t let Buster Olney be the GM of my fantasy league team, if I had one, that is.
By DAP
January 14, 2009 4:34 PM | Link to this
getnathan
stop comparing frenchy and nady. they connat be compared until jeff shows he still belongs in the majors. nady was lightyears ahead of jeff in 2008.
By crispy
January 14, 2009 4:39 PM | Link to this
Amorrow-use mozilla firefox instead of i.e.-that worked for me
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 4:39 PM | Link to this
Ugh…they’re not working.
Looks like I’m gonna hafta start using quotation marks.
By VP
January 14, 2009 4:43 PM | Link to this
Tomahawk Matt,
Buster Olney and the “clowns” at ESPN picked the Braves to go to the World Series last year. Yeah it’s true ESPN loves their NE teams but you are naive if you don’t think this has been curious off-season in Atlanta.
By fleming
January 14, 2009 4:43 PM | Link to this
MB What do you think the odds of only carrying 11 pitchers this year due to the innings eaters we now have. One reason given in the past for the need of 12 pitchers was the fact that other than Smoltz all we had was 6 inning type pitchers.
By KC
January 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Link to this
Ron H: Abreu is a very nice hitter. Problem is… he’s a left-handed hitter. We already have 3 lefty hitters and switch-hitter who is more dangerous from the left side of the plate. If would certainly take Abreu over Dunn, because abreu hits lefties well. But still… 4 left-handed hitters in the lineup???
Nady would be a far better fit, if we can get him.
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 4:45 PM | Link to this
The Norton signing was spot on, to me. He kills the Mets, and we need that clutch pinch hitter (Diaz would also fit that bill, too).
LUdwick or Dye. No More lefthanded hitters.
DAP: McCann should not bat cleanup. He will not play every day. What happens when he faces left handed pitching.
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 14, 2009 4:45 PM | Link to this
KC wrote at 3:08 a.m. this morning:
Coach: D.Lowe has averaged 15 wins with ERA of 3.58 over the past 4 years (since making the move to the NL).
Those are NOT the numbers of of “number 2 or 3” starter. He’s not Santana… He’s a second tier ace…but an ace.
NO SIR, not even close. Derek Lowe has averaged 13 wins and 12 losses over the last four years.
Want a cold dose of reality? Jake Peavy, A.J Burnett and Junichi Tazawa were plan A.
Derek Lowe, Javier Vasquez and Kenshin Kawakami are plan B.
By AdirondackDave
January 14, 2009 4:46 PM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah — I think you are right about free agents and the impending depression, oops, supposed to use the word recession… prices coming down and clearly the worst is yet to come. The Steinbrenner’s are going to rue the A-rod, Tex, and CC contracts. Era of deflation is going to make those contracts crushing for the Yanks a few years out. It’s really inevitable, salaries got way out of hand. When I was a kid in the 40s, even established players typically took jobs in the off-season back home.
Geezer’s said enough today.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 4:46 PM | Link to this
If Peavy wouldn’t have agreed to a trade to the Braves, then the point is moot anyway. And after initially finding it hard to believe Peavy wouldn’t have agreed to a trade to Atlanta — after all, he’d put them on his initial, informal list of five teams he’d consider being dealt to — several discussions with Krasovic and others with good San Diego sources have led me to believe that Peavy indeed had strong reservations about being traded to Atlanta and might well have rejected it if he’d ever had to make a decision. At the least, he would’ve demanded the Braves pick up the $22 mill option for 2013, making it $81 mill he’d have been owed over the next five years instead of $63 mill (including buyout) over four.
And at the very least, he would’ve demanded the Braves grant the no-trade clause for the length of the contract, since he was going to be forgoing the 10-and-5 trade veto rights he would’ve gained after another couple of years with the Padres. Also not certain if Braves wouldn’t granted him that no-trade clause over length of the deal.
So to say that the entire thing came down to the Braves not agreeing to this or that minor leaguer or reliever is oversimplifying it. According to people in both teams’ front offices, it never got as close to being finalized as we were initially led to believe by some.
But we’ll probably never know the whole, unbiased truth.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 4:47 PM | Link to this
Joe B, there’s no longer that kind of room in the payroll for Peavy, particularly not with the mutli-year commitments the Braves now have for several other pitchers.
By Original Jon
January 14, 2009 4:48 PM | Link to this
DAP, not a problem buddy, its people like that that make this world such a great place to live in ~sense the sarcasm~
By ncscoots
January 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Link to this
mr b, I’m going to have to disagree with you a little today. You’re thinking that the Braves have to carry a second CF as the 4th OF, but I see Infante as the backup at CF. That would allow Diaz to make the bench, and backup the corners. For sure, the Braves aren’t going to carry 5 OF (they haven’t in my recent memory, anyway), and I’d much prefer to look down the bench in the 8th and see Diaz instead of some no-lumber speed guy. Diaz and Norton give the bench some pop from both sides, and they complement each other (Norton’s better lefty).
Anyway, that’s the way I’d go. Prado backs up 2B and 3B, Infante at SS and CF, Diaz the corner OF spots, Norton backs up 1B. All assuming, of course, that some humans line up for LF and CF at some point in the future!
By Original Jon
January 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Link to this
Joe B Seriously?? Come on man, why even ask that question? You should know the answer to that, and if you dont, then you dont pay very much attention to a team that you are supposedly a fan of.
Peavy is not coming here, our rotation reconstruction is done, please realize this.
The next order of business is an outfield bat, thats it, and maybe re-sign Ohman
But no Peavy, not happening.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 4:52 PM | Link to this
Iron Labrum, that’s what I was told, even though I’d already made the decision to get the gold because I like it better. I was told later it’s better than the other material they use anyway.
Oh, and she’s very attractive. And sassy. Almost as sarcastic as me.
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 14, 2009 4:52 PM | Link to this
One other thing twist concerning the dealings with Rafael Furcal. Derek Lowe is now a Brave. Brad Penny is with the Red Sox and Maddux is retired. Hey Raffy, PAYBACK’S A B!TCH AIN’T IT?????
By Braves20
January 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Link to this
Not so worried about our offense. Compare us to the Yanks who also will be getting the majority of their pop from the IF. Frenchy could have another lousy year and become this decade’s Joe Charbeneau, but perhaps not.
Nady appears to be the best alternative of the names that have been bandied about. I suspect there may be a name out there that none of us have thought of who might be patrolling the OF in ‘09. But please no Jim Edmonds - so sick of watching him turn average catches into seemingly difficult plays.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 4:54 PM | Link to this
getnathan—
Yeah, Mac is a better hitter. And I’m glad the voters of the Silver Slugger realized that this year.
I guess the thing with John Grove is that he plays in Chicago. And I won’t belittle him: he had one heckuva rookie year for a catcher.
He could be stiff competition for my mann in the years to come—only time will tell.
By NCBravesFan
January 14, 2009 4:54 PM | Link to this
I think it’s way past time to let go of the Peavy thing. Look, the real issue here is this: the Braves think they can contend in 2009. If they’re right, Lowe/Kawakami/Vazquez are great pickups that will indeed help them compete in the NL East.
If they’re wrong about contending, the above three players might still be good pickups since they can be traded to help the team compete in 2010 or beyond if that’s the way Wren wants to go.
Peavy would have cost the Braves prospects and comes with a full no-trade clause. So if the Braves were not in a contending position this year or next, they’d have an untradeable ace (or one who could dictate where he wanted to go, thereby possibly diminishing the return on him in a trade).
And when you get right down to it, is the difference between Peavy and Lowe really so great that all things equal one would get you in the playoffs and the other would not? I really doubt it.
So overpaying for Peavy would be a bigger sin in my book than overpaying for Lowe.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 4:55 PM | Link to this
Ron, I’d basically concur about Shea. It’s a dump.
But the new Citi Field looks quite nice. Gonna be awesome not having to go sit in that dreary pressbox at Shea, which was always either cold or hot and/or wet (it dripped whenever it rained hard).
And the second-most cramped clubhouse in the NL, behind only Wrigley (but you can look past the clubhouse at Wrigley, as a reporter, because you’re covering a game at such a great ballpark).
By jukeandjive
January 14, 2009 4:56 PM | Link to this
Listen to DOB on the Radio. I live in Mobile, AL and he’s supposed to be on the afternoon sports drive radio show in a few minutes. To listen, check out WNSP.com (105.5 FM in Mobile, AL)
By DAP
January 14, 2009 4:57 PM | Link to this
getnathan McCann should not bat cleanup. He will not play every day. What happens when he faces left handed pitching.
what happens? same thing that always happens. he hits. have you checked his splits? against lefties he has a little less power but hits for about the same average and gets one base the same.
he wont play everyday, but neither will most players. adjust the lineup when he isnt in there, thats fine. but most of the time he will be there, and unless we get a really good bat, which doesnt look likely, mccann should bat cleanup.
By getnathan
January 14, 2009 5:00 PM | Link to this
RICHIE: Swisher barely hits over 200 and very slow and questionable defensively.
DAP: Frenchy clearly belongs in the majors. Nady is not the type of hitter I think the Braves need. They look the same. Frenchy has put up better numbers than Nady.
DOB: can you shed some light on the ever elusive power hitting outfielder situation? Is anything on the horizon?
By KC
January 14, 2009 5:01 PM | Link to this
NCBravesFan: “So overpaying for Peavy would be a bigger sin in my book than overpaying for Lowe.”
Nicely said.
By Carroll Rogers
January 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Link to this
Howdy, denizens, remember me? The Smoltz story should be posted shortly, if not already, but I thought I’d throw out some of his comments that I didn’t have the space for in my main story but thought were interesting. Have at it!
Smoltz on Braves injuries last year:
“I was not the reason for everybody getting hurt last year,” Smoltz said. “That somewhat falls on my shoulders when you say we can’t take the chance of that happening again next year. Well there’s no guarantees and I don’t think they’ve put together a staff where four potential guys could (guarantee they’ll go) with(out) major injuries.”
Smoltz on “Was it the money??” “I will let my track record speak for itself when people talk about why didn’t you stay,” Smoltz said. “Was it the money? I don’t need to answer that. I’ve answered that for 22 years.”
On the potential of facing the Braves in interleague play: “That’s not a motive of mine, something that will cause me to work out harder,” Smoltz said. “My motivation comes from within. It’s not like when I played against Detroit, not even close. I spent a year and a half with Detroit. I spent 22 years here. I can’t even anticipate the emotions. In a perfect world, if I miss the start, so be it. That would be fine with me. If I make the start, or it works that I’ve got to start against them, there will be the same person you saw for 22 years.”
I asked him about Frank’s comment about it being difficult a decision when it comes to aging stars but that “the reality is they’re getting older and they’re not the same.”
“Randy Johnson. Why isn’t he old? Jamie Moyer. There’s a lot of old pitchers. It’s a mindset. It’s perception and I get it. It’s easier to spend other people’s money. It’s not that easy. I get it. I really do, but I think there’s a makeup of a person you need to know, I think there’s a mindset of a person that’s very important and I think what he’s done over the course of his career certainly could change some of the prototypical categories that you want to throw in there. Greg Maddux is old. He was old last year. The only reason he calls me old is he has more hair than I do. Old is not something that works for me.”
And Smoltz on you guys, the fans:
“And I’m going to miss the people. The fans. when I pitched in Fulton County stadium and Turner Field – whether it was 5,000 or 50,000, the fans were very supportive of my efforts. They saw the desire that I had when I was out there. They didn’t know every circumstance, but they understood what was coming out was real. It was electric for me at the Garden (when he was introduced at the Celtics game Monday night). …They have great sports fans there, and they do. But I think what happens in this city is they get beat up a little bit, from the standpoint of support. But the support has been so phenomenal for me. Everywhere I’ve gone. That’s what I’m going to miss. This is my home away from home. I grew up in Michigan but I’ll never leave here.”
So long Smoltzy…..We’re gonna miss you.
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Link to this
Hey McFann, I’ve noticed that the italics are working backwards for me right now. For example, I put the previous sentence between 2 asterisks to get a normal type font. To get the italic font I just have to type in as I normally would without asterisks.
Bottom line is that the syntax for italics and for the normal font has somehow been reversed. At least, for me it is.
By mbatl
January 14, 2009 5:04 PM | Link to this
For the record, I’d love to have Nady for one year. I just fear the Yankees will only deal him for a load of young talent; I’m guessing Prado, Acosta, and probably one other prospect.
If that’s true, I think it hits us too hard. If they’ll take considerably less, that’d be great.
By Devil's Advocate
January 14, 2009 5:05 PM | Link to this
Hey Dave: What do you think trading for Vasquez then signing both Lowe and Kawakami says about the Braves’ views on Charlie Morton? You have to think Hanson will be ready by next year at the latest. If so, that’s 3 big contracts, plus Jurrjens and Hanson that are ahead of Morton now. And don’t forget about a Tim Hudson return. Is Morton now just an “insurance guy” in case these others don’t pan out? If so that’s a quick fall from grace considering how high they appeared to be on him at this time last year.
Your thoughts?
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 5:07 PM | Link to this
McCann’s splits vs. righties and lefties
By KC
January 14, 2009 5:09 PM | Link to this
DOB: “Joe B, there’s no longer that kind of room in the payroll for Peavy, particularly not with the mutli-year commitments the Braves now have for several other pitchers.”
I know you have sources and connections I don’t have, so maybe it’s pretentious of me to disagree… but I do.
If the Padres called today and wanted to work out a Peavy deal, I think the Braves would get it done. Peavy’s the type of pitcher you don’t pass up if you can get a reasonable deal in place. I believe they would find a way to make it work.
It might mean parting with Vazquez (which they’d probably do anyway to make room for Hudson, if they can bring him back) next winter, or possibly even flipping him this winter… but I have to think they’d get it done somehow, if the deal made sense.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 5:11 PM | Link to this
TheAntiMe—
So you get italics if you type normally? That’s bizarre. I haven’t been able to get italics at all since they changed the layout of the Blog. But I’m testing them in this post, just in case.
I just did a link, too…hope it goes through.
By KC
January 14, 2009 5:14 PM | Link to this
Yeah… so long Smoltzy. Thanks for walking away from the fans that supported you for 20 years, and made possible the life you now enjoy.
Oh, and thanks for answering that money question (by not answering it). I just wish you has shown half the loyalty to Braves fans this winter that they continue to show you to this very day.
By David O'Brien
January 14, 2009 5:16 PM | Link to this
KC, it’s possible, but I’ll just say highly improbable. If the Braves still had a strong desire or felt there was a reasonable chance to get Peavy in a deal that was attractive to them, they’d have called the Padres to check about restarting the talks before trading for Lowe.
By flange1
January 14, 2009 5:16 PM | Link to this
Carroll,
Thanks for the Smoltz story! Very nice reporting.
I am still digesting his words, I am not sure how to react yet….
By Darrell
January 14, 2009 5:18 PM | Link to this
DOB says: “Ok I’m dragging my butt to the dentist office, a drill awaits.”
Wow! I come home from work, get on the ol’ blog, and find out DOB got his a$$ drilled on this morning. That explains a lot with his cheesy taste in music. Dave, I didn’t see this one coming.
By Paula
January 14, 2009 5:19 PM | Link to this
Smoltz, take a cue from Greg Maddux. He knew when it was time to let it go. It’s your time now Smoltz. Bow out gracefully now, with your dignity in tact.
By Sam
January 14, 2009 5:23 PM | Link to this
John, did you forget that the Braves paid you $10 million NOT to play last year? Why is it that players always remember when they “took a deal”, but not when a team pays them when they don’t play? Amazes me.
By Test
January 14, 2009 5:23 PM | Link to this
Testing for bold and italic.
By KC
January 14, 2009 5:25 PM | Link to this
Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed): First of all, let me take a moment to agree with you screen name. DAMN I am going to miss those guys. More than I can say. I hope Pete will come back and call at least ONE more game, so we can savor it.
As for Lowe, you are correct. Lowe has averaged 15 wins over the last 7 years… not over the last 4. My mistake. However, he HAS posted a 3.58 ERA over these last 4 years since moving to the NL. He gives you a lot of innings and quality starts, and he steps up in big games.
I don’t think you could find a single solitary soul in all of Major League Baseball that would agree with your characterization of Lowe as a “#2 or 3 starter”. Not a soul. He’s not an elite ace. I never said he was Peavy or Santana. But he’s better than you’re giving him credit for.
If the bullpen’s healthy (holding leads), Lowe will likely give us something (at least) in the neighborhood of 14 or 15 wins, 200 innnings, and an ERA in the low or mid 3.00’s.
If that’s a #3 starter to you, so be it. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
By rammerjammer
January 14, 2009 5:28 PM | Link to this
Carroll,
Thanks much for the Smoltz comments.
His quotes look defensive (“I was not the reason for everybody getting hurt last year”). Wow. A little bit touchy, aren’t we?
By Heath
January 14, 2009 5:30 PM | Link to this
Based on the contracts handed out… I see nothing wrong with signing Ohman and AJ to a minor league deal. Diaz deserves the opportunity to play in LF (and I think he would be great in our lineup) and for AJ…worse case scenario, he is so bad that he is either released or plays in the minors for a million bucks. He “could” perform well…he is not that far removed from a near MVP-caliber season.
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 5:37 PM | Link to this
McFann
Now I see what you mean. I have been using the Maxthon web browser all day (which is not unusual for me) but I just switched over to the Google Chrome browser to view the blog and all the words that had appeared to me to be italicized with the Maxthon browser are just normal font, no italics anywhere.
I guess I’m going to use the Google Chrome browser for now, as reading everything in italics with Maxthon is driving me crazy. Although, I have probably been way too verbose today, as it is.
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 14, 2009 5:39 PM | Link to this
God bless John Smoltz. The man is a winner, both in life and on the baseball field. It was a privilege and honor to have seen him pitch for my Braves. I wish him well in Boston.
As for Frank Wren and his master negotiating skills….. I wouldn’t buy a damn popsicle from the man.
By Chop Chop
January 14, 2009 5:39 PM | Link to this
KC,
“Yeah… so long Smoltzy. Thanks for walking away from the fans that supported you for 20 years…”
(Cue the violins…)
If JOEBRAVE didn’t exist, I’d say that you are Bizarro Shaun.
By fastasballs
January 14, 2009 5:44 PM | Link to this
Signing Andruw is a no brainer if it’s done correctly & I’m sure it will be. If he signs a MINOR league contract he isn’t taking a spot up on the roster & is not being paid anything to speak of.
He wants to come back & for what it’s going to cost he should be brought back. The Braves really can’t lose unless he is kept around when it’s clear he can’t cut it anymore. If he regains his form, a long shot I admit, it will virtually cost nothing but a half million & a roster spot.
If he clearly outplays guys in spring training then & only then is he offered a major league contract. Nothing to lose with taking a chance on him. The only thing that worries me about signing him is Cox giving him a chance based on hope not results at the end of the spring.
The whole object is to put the best team on the field & adding proven vets to the mix in spring training can only increase the chances of that happening. It’s also a plus considering that the outfield is the Braves biggest weakness by far.
By Bubdylan
January 14, 2009 5:44 PM | Link to this
Guess Smoltzy doesn’t feel he’s made enough of a point yet. In his defense, I guess he’s only answering questions. But I’d think more of him if he’d tone it down and let his fans heal a little. Don’t guess he thinks of us that much, though.
By Metropolitan Man1
January 14, 2009 5:46 PM | Link to this
Greetings DOB and brave bloggers. What an offseaon to witness I must say. You didn’t think I stopped readin the blog did you? This is the place to get the fans opinion of the braves and the additional craziness that comes with it make it worth the read. I never stopped reading it, just posting. So no cracks about why im here or whatever, just scroll on past if need be.
The METS wanted D. Lowe while the braves needed him. He is a great pitcher and I don’t neccessarily think the braves over paid for him. With the Mandoff scandal there is no truth to where Wilpon and his monies lie so METS fans don’t know if he is going cheap or Minaya has something sneaky on hand. Now within a week, the braves rotation has been revamped significantly. I see the team comparisons has already begun and I’m of course running with those METS. A week ago I had the braves finishing where they did last year, but now they move up but I’m not quite sure where. They are anywhere from a second place, or third place finish or push for a wild card in my opinion right now, but I have the METS winning the division of course. Whatever your GM does to increase power will dictate what type of team you become in 09’. Albeit speed, small ball, or whatever, you must count on your pitching and stick with playing to your streanghts. Minaya was more relieved that the philthies didnt get him so I don’t think he is trying to keep up with the braves but actually the philthes.
I’m of course sad to see Smoltz go. He is the only brave I would have love to see in a METS uniform at any point in his career. Watching him throw that nasty slider to METS rookies year after year will always be remembered. I use to feel so sorry for them being overmatched like that. Well, he did what he had to do and braves did what they had to do. Both stuck to their guns and their word so no harm no foul, just business. Bright note is the METS won’t have to see Boston or Smoltz until May 22-24 and the postseason.
I love what Omar has done with the pen and adding Redding should have a high reward to it. He played for a horrible team with the Nats and the numbers weren’t bad for a team like that and he is great against the philthies. Plus the guy doesn’t mind pitching out of the pen if need be. For all you guys saying Putz is not happy being a set up man. Wrong, from his mouth to my computer screen:
“The bottom line is I want to win. I haven’t really had a chance to do that in Seattle,” added Putz, who will be 32 in February. “To come to a team built to win right now, I’ll pitch in the sixth or seventh inning, whatever it takes to get us a championship.
“It wasn’t the ideal situation. I really love closing, but I’m just going to take it an inning earlier, so it’s not going to be that big of an adjustment.” Putz was Eddie Guardado’s setup man in Seattle early in his career, so he says he knows the role.
“I’m looking at it as my job to go out in the eighth and close the game in the eighth,” Putz said.
So that shouldn’t be a problem and if K-Rod should stumble….well you get the picture. Now we all know everyone’s scenario on this blog contains that their players remain healthy. So with that in mind I do worry about Delgado, Castillo, Scneider, and Ryan but Ryan only to a degree. Ryan will be tested to a tee in the spring but once again by his own accounts he is fine and the situation was not handle properly last year. But once again there is Fernando Martinez who is putting up huge numbers wherever he goes and may get a bench spot sometime in 09’. Then there is Parnell and Neise for pitching on the cusp and the steady seasoning will compete this spring if need be. So there you have it, you can’t do much more team comparison because no ones roster is complete. Braves are looking for a bat and I would’t be suprised if Omar brought the METS one via signing or trade. So you guys take care and keep doing what you are doing. You have become somewhat relevant again as a team so lets continue to follow baseball. By the way, MLB Network is long over due, gotta love it.
By Carroll Rogers
January 14, 2009 5:47 PM | Link to this
flange1, i’m right there with you for taking a while to digest all that smoltz had to say today. After listening to my tape of the press conference, I needed a smoke break or something, and I don’t smoke!
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Link to this
I think the Braves can count their blessings that the Peavy thing didn’t work out. This name is almost as brought up as Michael Vick on the football side of the blog.
Someone said yesterday on the blog that Lowe’s good “B” stuff is better to have than Peavy’s brittle “A” stuff.
Remember, folks, Peavy had an elbow ailment last season and had to sit out for a little while. Whose to say that ailment won’t flare up again.
Lowe, while he’s not as good as Peavy, is a workhorse and can get the job done. I am just glad we didn’t have to give up Escobar and a butt-load of prospects for a guy with a no-trade clause.
That is ONLY an opinion so if you agree, that’s cool. If not, that’s cool too. :)
By KC
January 14, 2009 5:54 PM | Link to this
DOB: I don’t doubt you for a second that it’s highly unlikely. Certainly can’t disagree with that. I was just saying, hypothetically, if the Padres called… I think the Braves would still try to find a way to get a reasonable deal done. But… it’s not going to happen. I know that.
By DAP
January 14, 2009 5:55 PM | Link to this
getnathan Frenchy has put up better numbers than Nady.
when? this has never happend.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 6:08 PM | Link to this
TheAntiMe—
Ugh…reading in all italics would be a pain in the retina. Yeah, I don’t get what’s going on at all…
I’m using Safari, BTW. Just…I don’t know why I brought that up…
Yer not too verbose. I’ve been way more verbose than that at times.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 6:11 PM | Link to this
hypothetically speaking, if the Padres were to call,and I hope they don’t, Escobar would HAVE to be taken off the table.
We still couldn’t give up all of those prospects, though.
Oh, never mind…that’s what I get for trying to be hypothetical…kinda like taking a match into a petroleum plant…it just ain’t good!
By taylor s
January 14, 2009 6:16 PM | Link to this
Any quotes from players about this meeting today ?
By Olney and Smoltz
January 14, 2009 6:16 PM | Link to this
Thanks DOB for stating the info that seems to have been around since at least the week after it became public that the Braves and Pads were talking about Peavy. Peavy stated to some of his big league buddies while on a golf trip to Puerto Rico that he didn’t want to go to the Braves. Chipper seems to have said as much himself. I repeat, this was only a week after negotiations between the Pads and Braves became public! Olney’s contention that all the Braves had to do was to give the Pads another call seems a bit unfounded. As for Olney’s other observations, I believe those were fairly accurate. I believe the Braves overpaid for Lowe out of desperation. Not sure if the next bid for Lowe should be 60 mil when by all accounts the rate was going to be 3 years at between 40-42 mil. That does smell of desperation as does the report that the Braves stated the offer was good only if he agreed to the deal ASAP. (press reports) But now that we have him, hope all goes well!
As for Smoltzs’ talk with the media, I feel like he was being completely truthful. I know I found myself wondering a couple of months ago how long Smoltz or Glavine would wait around until Wren made up his mind if he needed them or not. I made this assumption based on Wren’s own statements. Obviously, I didn’t misunderstand Wren’s statements because that’s how Smoltz interpreted them as well.
I think my problem with the entire Smoltz situation is not that the Braves decided not to go that direction but that the Braves tried to spin it like Smoltz abandoned them. That to me is insult to injury. Smoltz doesn’t need to defend himself on the decision that in reality, the Braves made for him.
So before KC starts spouting off, I realize there are some folks here who would crucify Jesus for leaving the Braves and praise Bin Laden if he was a Brave.
By Olney and Smoltz
January 14, 2009 6:16 PM | Link to this
Thanks DOB for stating the info that seems to have been around since at least the week after it became public that the Braves and Pads were talking about Peavy. Peavy stated to some of his big league buddies while on a golf trip to Puerto Rico that he didn’t want to go to the Braves. Chipper seems to have said as much himself. I repeat, this was only a week after negotiations between the Pads and Braves became public! Olney’s contention that all the Braves had to do was to give the Pads another call seems a bit unfounded. As for Olney’s other observations, I believe those were fairly accurate. I believe the Braves overpaid for Lowe out of desperation. Not sure if the next bid for Lowe should be 60 mil when by all accounts the rate was going to be 3 years at between 40-42 mil. That does smell of desperation as does the report that the Braves stated the offer was good only if he agreed to the deal ASAP. (press reports) But now that we have him, hope all goes well!
As for Smoltzs’ talk with the media, I feel like he was being completely truthful. I know I found myself wondering a couple of months ago how long Smoltz or Glavine would wait around until Wren made up his mind if he needed them or not. I made this assumption based on Wren’s own statements. Obviously, I didn’t misunderstand Wren’s statements because that’s how Smoltz interpreted them as well.
I think my problem with the entire Smoltz situation is not that the Braves decided not to go that direction but that the Braves tried to spin it like Smoltz abandoned them. That to me is insult to injury. Smoltz doesn’t need to defend himself on the decision that in reality, the Braves made for him.
So before KC starts spouting off, I realize there are some folks here who would crucify Jesus for leaving the Braves and praise Bin Laden if he was a Brave.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 6:18 PM | Link to this
I don’t know what to make of Smoltz’s comments, either. They’re kinda bugging me, to be honest.
What was that one—“I’m not dead; I’m not leaving; I’m just playing for another team. I’m still going to live in Atlanta.”? Something like that…It was on the AJC earlier, but it disappeared.
Um…I’m sorry, but I don’t care if you still live here, the point is that you’re not gonna be playing here.
And didn’t he say something in a press conference about the only reason he stayed here all the years he was a FA was because of Bobby Cox? That if it hadn’t been for Bobby, he would have left? I hope he didn’t say that…please tell me he didn’t say that. For one thing, um…Bobby’s still here, did he not get the memo? And does that mean the fans and his teammates didn’t mean much to him?
Like I said, please tell me I heard wrong…please tell me he didn’t say that…
By Couch Tater
January 14, 2009 6:24 PM | Link to this
Carol - I’m sure Smoltzie doesn’t quite know how to feel either. I’m sure there’s an excitement for the new job, but there are 22 years of friends and security in Atlanta who he’s leaving behind. Not necessarily bad or good for either side. Just different.
By Robert from SC
January 14, 2009 6:27 PM | Link to this
I don’t know how I feel about Smoltz. I started following the Braves in 1981 and Smoltz has always been the go to guy for this team. I understand Smoltz wanting to win another ring, but he seems to be only talking about the difference in money. The decision to leave Atlanta was all his. Maybe Frank Wren should have been more sympathetic to Smoltz, but Frank Wren knows this team needs to seperate itself from the past 3 seasons struggles. I am sad, and wish the Smoltz the best, but my heart will always be with the Braves for better or worse.
By THE BEAR
January 14, 2009 6:28 PM | Link to this
COACH real slow now, take a bottle of your favorite beverage and slowly pour it into your favorite glass. Now take a look; doesn’t that look inviting? And isn’t the bottom part of your glass a whole lot more enticing than the top half?
Now, take a sip and you will find it comes from the half full bottom of your glass. There is nothing in that top, empty half but air.
There, don’t you feel better?
By Mitchie-san
January 14, 2009 6:29 PM | Link to this
If Smoltz bounces back and has a good season, would the Braves try to sign him next year or do you think that bridge is burned?
By mr baseball
January 14, 2009 6:32 PM | Link to this
DAP:
Francouer had 29 HR, 103 RBI and a .300+ average w/RISP in ‘06; He hit 40 2bs, batted .293 and again drove in more than 100 runs with another .300+ average w/RISP in ‘07. He didn’t walk much either season, which means he had a low OBP, which means you thinks he sucks, which means YOUR AND IDIOT.
Until last year, Nady never came close to those numbers (don’t know what his OBP was, don’t care). You OBP folks are like the pull-tab talking dolls for infants. Pull the string and they say the same thing over and over and over again. Doesn’t mean anything, but they keep saying it. Just like you and your fellow statheads.
Francouer was a first-rate offensive performer for the Braves his first 2 1/2 seasons, He was awful last year, even though his OBP was actually a fraction higher than it was in ‘06. OBP of itself and by itself is a useless stat. See Andre Dawson 1987 and Gregor Blanco 2008 among many, many examples.
All Dawson’s numbers were good except OBP. All Blanco’s numbers were lousy except OBP. All Francouer’s numbers (pre-‘08) are good to excellent except OBP.
Obviously, folks like you will never get it through your thick heads that OBP is not that big a deal for run producers in the middle of the order. Guys in the 1-2 holes, that’s another matter.
Some of those in the Let’s Sign Dunn camp cite Dunn’s high OBP. The problem with him, though, is that he walks too much in situations when he should be trying to drive in a run. As a result, he drives in the same number of runs with 40 HRs that Francouer did with 20. His average with RISP stink, which is a whole lot more important number than his inflated OBP.
The idea that RBIs are not an important is absurd. If a hitter drives in 120 runs but bats .225 w/RISP, then you might have a point. But to say that a guy who drives in 100+ runs 2 straight seasons w/RISP over .300 both times is not an offensive asset displays a serious lack of knowledge on your part, and those like you who worship at the altar of the almighty OBP.
By THE BEAR
January 14, 2009 6:35 PM | Link to this
This Smoltz thing is getting to be utterly ridiculous. The Braves paid him $14 million last year for NOT PITCHING. And they made him an offer that could have earned him up tp $12 million this year if he performed AND EARNED IT. Smoltz decided he didn’t want to take the gamble. To hell with Smoltz, enough already.
By AdirondackDave
January 14, 2009 6:35 PM | Link to this
McFann — Right on, just about what I was thinking as I read the Smoltz comments. At least perplexing and, in the end, pretty self-serving by John. Of course, the same can be said of the Braves front office comments, that’s for sure. Yet, the guy is an absolute icon in Atlanta and, given that, it seems to me that both Wren and Smoltz had an overriding responsibility to be in regular (frequent) contact to insure there were no misunderstandings. That regular contact did not take place so both get plenty blame in my book.
By Nelson
January 14, 2009 6:46 PM | Link to this
DOB: As far as they didn’t trade Escobar I’m very happy with all the pitching signing, at this moment we have a very good rotation and that is the most important part of the game!!, we only need a clean -up hitter, and still I would like to move Kelly to left field an play a real second baseman there.
By THE BEAR
January 14, 2009 6:48 PM | Link to this
Swisher in 2008 games153 AB497 HR24 RBI69 BA.219 OBP.332 SLG.410
Francoeur in 2008 games155 AB599 HR11 RBI71 BA.239 OBP.294 SLG.359
Who among you would trade a good pitching prospect and Prado for Francoeur? Then why would you trade them for Swisher?
Swisher makes no sense to me whatsoever. Besides he’s ugly and the ladies won’t like him.
I would rather go with what we have and hope for Andruw to make it back than I would to trade for Swisher. Don’t worry about him playing first, Prado can also do that if needed. As a matter of fact there is no way anyone could pry Prado away from me if I was running that team. Not many utility players can play as many positions as he can and hit .300.
By im4ball
January 14, 2009 6:55 PM | Link to this
I think that while the Braves rotation looks good on paper, there are just too many if’s. While I am not a purest on the issue of right handed vs righted and left vs left, it is always valuable to have a left handed pitcher (or two) on your team.
While this pitching battery will be able to “eat inings”, the question is what will their overval ERA be? This in relation to a team’s runs per game stat are pretty much (bull pen aside) how you tell what a team is going to as far as wins are concerned. Bottom line: do you score more runs than you give up…duhhh.
So, can this bater hold other teams to 4 runs or less and can this team score more than 4 runs? I think the first answer is probably and the second is probably not (on a consistant basis).
This team just does not have good hitting in the top 6 positions (let along for the entire line-up). There is no consistant lead (someone with a high on base %). There is no good bunter (assuming cox ever decides to play small ball). Chipper is very good. There is no protypical clean up. No one knows what Franouer will do (but he should be given the chance to succeed or fail). No one knows what Kotchman will do. Center field and left field are wide open. Kelly is good but very streaky….
This tea has decent pitching but there are just too any questions about hitting right now.
By the way…those who talk about a given hitter not being a good hitter and thus not wanting them…that is just wrong. Rememeber…”you can hide someone in the field but you cant hide them at the plate”. Any major league player can play adequate defense (and that is all you need) but not every player is a great hitter Give me good pitching, average defense and great hitting and you will win most of your games.
By THE BEAR
January 14, 2009 6:57 PM | Link to this
Swisher in 2008 games153 AB497 HR24 RBI69 BA.219 OBP.332 SLG.410
Francoeur in 2008 games155 AB599 HR11 RBI71 BA.239 OBP.294 SLG.359
Who among you would trade a good pitching prospect and Prado for Francoeur? Then why would you trade them for Swisher?
Swisher makes no sense to me whatsoever. Besides he’s ugly and the ladies won’t like him.
I would rather go with what we have and hope for Andruw to make it back than I would to trade for Swisher. Don’t worry about him playing first, Prado can also do that if needed. As a matter of fact there is no way anyone could pry Prado away from me if I was running that team. Not many utility players can play as many positions as he can and hit .300.
By VAROADRUNNER
January 14, 2009 6:58 PM | Link to this
Does anyone agree?
I’ve been waiting to weigh in on the Smoltz “issue” and I guess it is about time for my two cents…… I keep asking myself, When is enough, enough?
As we all know, Smoltz has the right to make as much money as possible in our capitalistic society and to work for whomever he chooses that will employee him.
I think the Braves would love to have John Smoltz back into their rotation for 2009 and I’m sure they would pay him top dollar for a full season’s work. I have read all of the negatives about pay him, he’s earned it - Well, maybe, or maybe not. How many innings did he pitch last year? And what percentage of a refund did the Braves ask back from Smoltz? Of course zero. How many years has his income been affected because of a injury? None. It’s a part of professional sports. You take your chances.
But then I started reflecting back to the days when many teams would have dumped young smoltzie, he was a headcase. He could not get rid of those “voices” that kept telling him he wasn’t good enough or that he could not win in the majors. BUT Instead of throwing him to the wind, they hired young Smoltzie a personal Phychiatrist named (i believe) Dr. Jack Llewellyn who taught John, among other things, Visualization techniques. Does anyone remember Smoltz standing out on the mound staring down at the ground, visualizing? The Braves hung with him through thick and thin, history proves that Llewellyn was successful and the Braves had already made Smoltz a permanent part of their family. His successes are a part of record and surely John Smoltz will enter the HOF.
So who left whom? He bolted! Abandoned the Braves! Left them out in the cold (or so he thought - 09 will decide) He had to be thinking, to hell with family, they can’t win this year and they don’t want to pay me up-front. I’m going to beantown. Well Mr Smoltz, when is enough, enough? More up-front money? Your ego? What caused you to abandon your family? How long, at one point in time have you been married? Not 20+ years - so family means very little as evidenced with your recent actions.
So John, when is enough, enough?
if you never pitch again, yada yada yada…….
Just my two cents - for what it’s worth.
By Bear Is An Idiot
January 14, 2009 7:05 PM | Link to this
The so called “fans” who keep slamming Smoltz are, quite honestly, not the brightest bulbs in the pack. As Smoltz said, and the facts seem to back it up, the offer the Braves gave him was based on incentives that would be impossible for him to reach in even his best year! Some people seem to forget watching Smoltz throw sidearm and use a knuckleball one year just so he could keep pitching. They seem to forget the times that Smoltz turned down more lucrative offers to stay with the Braves. They seem to have forgotten Smoltz arm hanging low at his side because he could hardly lift it, yet he pitched effectively in the playoffs!
So he made 14 mil last year to have surgery and sit out? I bet he loved that! Not pitching, watching the team all season instead of being out there competing!
Why don’t you guys grow up! Are you guys still in junior high school? Smoltz was a great Brave and I don’t blame him for going to a team who actually wanted him this year. A team that said, “take your time, we want you to be the best you can be,” instead of a team that said, “not sure if we can use you, but if you’ll sign for a song, we might find a spot for you. And while you’re at it, be ready in April or you’re going to lose the chance to make incentive money tied to how soon you can get back!” Maybe the Red Sox have the luxury the Braves don’t have in telling Smoltz to take his time. If I’m Smoltz, I consider that to be the deal maker if all else is equal!
By KC
January 14, 2009 7:05 PM | Link to this
THE BEAR: “This Smoltz thing is getting to be utterly ridiculous. The Braves paid him $14 million last year for NOT PITCHING. And they made him an offer that could have earned him up tp $12 million this year if he performed AND EARNED IT. Smoltz decided he didn’t want to take the gamble. To hell with Smoltz, enough already.”
HOW DARE YOU?!!!!!! How dare you hold Smoltz responsible for his decision to leave???!!!!!! No opinion other than “Frank Wren should die” is acceptable here!
LOL
You are a voice of reason, my friend.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 7:07 PM | Link to this
AdirondackDave—
I agree.
By KC
January 14, 2009 7:09 PM | Link to this
olney and Smoltz: So before KC starts spouting off, I realize there are some folks here who would crucify Jesus for leaving the Braves and praise Bin Laden if he was a Brave.
olney and Smoltz, The Braves didn’t pay Jesus 14 million dollars to play golf last year, and then make him a fair offer that could have earned him as much as he could have made anywhere else, if healthy. Jesus didn’t walk away from just such an offer and then whine on the phone about how he was being disrespected by teammates.
By KC
January 14, 2009 7:12 PM | Link to this
Metropolitan Man1: Hey man!! Email me when you get a chance at kccjr1@gmail.com. I’ve lost your email address.
By Atlanta Police Department
January 14, 2009 7:21 PM | Link to this
John Smoltz has been arrested for lying and first-degree pandering.
By Reality
January 14, 2009 7:26 PM | Link to this
“As a matter of fact there is no way anyone could pry Prado away from me if I was running that team. Not many utility players can play as many positions as he can and hit .300.”
You’d be a pretty poor GM. No way you’d let your utility guy be traded?
“Hey, I’ve got a 30+ homerun, high-OBP outfielder to sooth your worst outfield in the majors problem. All I want is a utility guys and a meddling prospect. What’s that? Prado is unavilable? WTF???? I am being reasonable! For Pete’s sake, I’m offering you a great everyday player for a bench guy!”
By Olney and Smoltz
January 14, 2009 7:26 PM | Link to this
KC
You aren’t objective, thats the reason your opinion of talent and evaluation of signings-trades-etc. is rubbish. Your posts are, for the most part, tinged with your blind loyalty to an organization instead of an objective view of the facts. Smoltz was god last year. Now he’s a bum. The Braves were right. They are always right. The player is wrong. Always wrong.
So if the Braves don’t extend Chipper this off season and offer him a one year 6 million dollar contract the next year and the Sox offer him a couple of years at 12 mil a year, then if he takes the Sox offer he’s a bum? Interested in this reply.
Immaturity is your MO. It serves you well.
By Bubdylan
January 14, 2009 7:31 PM | Link to this
Atlanta Police Department, throw the book at him. He can still pitch after his sentence. Age is just a number.
By scottbravesfan
January 14, 2009 7:31 PM | Link to this
Get a left fielder who can actually hit and we got ourselves a team.
Make it happen FRANK!!!!!
By Cannibal Sativa
January 14, 2009 7:34 PM | Link to this
@DOB 10:12
But you do still need help, apparently, with those split infinitives.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 7:35 PM | Link to this
Bottomline on Chipper’s comments is you can bet if this team doesn’t compete for the division that he will likely as to be traded to a contender near the end of the season. And I think it would be justifiable because of the way they treated Smoltz and Chipper knows his own career has about 3 to 5 good years left. I’m sure he is waiting on Wren’s next move to provide him a bat behind him in the line-up. Forget about an extension from Chipper if the Braves aren’t competitive. Chipper’s thoughts are probably this : “So Mr. Wren, who is the hitter that replaces Mark Teixeira in the line-up ? “
What is this news about Andruw Jones ? Everyone thinks the Dodgers are going to release him and pay him all those millions to boot ? I’d let him be a pinch hitter before he got paid that money to walk.
I’d like to congratulate the Braves on letting Hampton go. This guy sits on the DL four to five years and makes millions. True, he cannot control his injuries. But enough of a bad thing is enough.
I don’t know if you guys comparing Andre Dawson to Luis Gonzalez was a joke or not but that’s insane. It’s hard to follow many people on here and understand what they are saying.
Dave, can you please give us the ETA MLB and probable positions for prospects like G.Hernandez,Schafer,etc. (the guys you listed as top 10 Braves prospects). I realize the ETA for Hanson could be this year. What about the others ? Thanks.
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 7:44 PM | Link to this
“olney and Smoltz, The Braves didn’t pay Jesus 14 million dollars to play golf last year, and then make him a fair offer that could have earned him as much as he could have made anywhere else, if healthy. Jesus didn’t walk away from just such an offer and then whine on the phone about how he was being disrespected by teammates.” - KC
No, lol - the Braves didn’t pay Jesus 14 million dollars to play golf last year, but KC, I imagine that Smoltzie’s golf handicap is probably just a bit lower than Jesus’s golf handicap. Don’t you believe?
By LivininAL
January 14, 2009 7:44 PM | Link to this
VAROADRUNNER - I think we should hire the Phychiatrist named (i believe) Dr. Jack Llewellyn who taught John, among other things, Visualization techniques, to work with Andruw Jones if they choose resign him.
By Bubdylan
January 14, 2009 7:45 PM | Link to this
The so called “fans” who keep slamming Smoltz are, quite honestly, not the brightest bulbs in the pack. TBIA Idiot
Whatever. Both sides of the issue have an argument. Neither side is inherently stupid. I’m sure there are reasonable stances from either side of the line.
I think John Smoltz is acting like a damn child. “It’s not my fault everyone was injured last year.” Okay, Junior, but it doesn’t have to be your fault for it to be a reason. Doesn’t all have to be about you, Christian Warrior.
(yeah, I know… I’m not representing the rational side of the anti-Smoltzers too well… I said there are reasonable folks on both sides, didn’t say I was one of them.)
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 7:50 PM | Link to this
DOB, I heard on ESPN Radio (The HERD) today that many teams and owners listen to the fans on talk radio and on blogs. It makes sense if you think about it. Its our money that they are needing and why not get players that the fans want so they will in turn buy tickets ? I doubt Frank Wren reads this blog but I’m willing to bet that someone that reports to him reads it. Most of us aren’t naive,stupid,whatever… We know enough about the game to see the holes (LF and/or CF) in the line-up. Scott Boras is exactly what’s wrong with MLB baseball. He leverages players from team to team to drive up their values. This is great if you are Derek Lowe or C.C. Sabathia but awful if you are the Pittsburgh Pirates or K.C. Royals or even we fans that pay $40 per ticket to see a game. I wonder why these small market teams even attempt to compete ? Since they are the minor league outlet for the better teams… Every major business in America is bankrupt or in decline and Scott Boras is getting baseball players overpaid even compared to their own previous years salaries. I just shake my head in disbelief…
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 7:53 PM | Link to this
KC,
At this point I don’t think the Braves could offer a “reasonable” return to the Padres for Peavy without decimating the roster.
Moreover, you mentioned Vazquez as a possible part of any trade. Why would the Pads do that? He’ll make exactly as much over the next two years as Peavy, so the Pads wouldn’t save any money in the short run, and that’s why they were looking to move Peavy now and not in July. Plus, they’d have to pay the salaries of the Braves they acquired in the deal, one of whom we assume would be Yunel.
That ship has sailed, good sir. Might as well wave goodbye.
By VAROADRUNNER
January 14, 2009 7:59 PM | Link to this
LivininAL
January 14, 2009 7:44 PM | Link to this
VAROADRUNNER - I think we should hire the Phychiatrist named (i believe) Dr. Jack Llewellyn who taught John, among other things, Visualization techniques, to work with Andruw Jones if they choose resign him.
GREAT IDEA
By stonewall
January 14, 2009 7:59 PM | Link to this
Evaluating Frank Wren:
I agree with richbrave - now go sign Will Ohman and go get a good hitter like Jermaine Dye and we will be set.
As I understand it, Mr. Wren spent seven years by J.S. side, I believe he knows what he’s doing.
I for one am already looking forward to P&C reporting in February.
Go Braves!!!!
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 8:01 PM | Link to this
mr baseball,
Francoeur’s numbers excluding OBP were very good in 2005 and only mediocre in 2006 and 2007. His SLG % (which if you’re going to ignore OBP is the number that matters) was .449 and .444. Bleh.
Translating into 59 extra base hits one year and 60 another. Again, bleh. Nothing special for a corner OF.
I’ll grant you, Nady’s no MVP candidate. But at least he’s been consistently slightly above average throughout his career, while Frenchy has driven off a cliff.
By AdirondackDave
January 14, 2009 8:10 PM | Link to this
Robdog08 — I’m suspect that Frank’s answer to Chipper’s “who do you replace Teixeira with” is going to be “Lowe, Vasquez, and Kawakami.” Seems to me that, unless Liberty is really loosening the purse strings, there’s really little or no money left for a real cleanup hitter. I hope that’s not the case and I also hope that Wren gets on the stick and starts talking with Chipper directly now, not months from now. Chipper certainly deserves to be recognized personally and publicly by the front office including with a contract extension.
By Ron H
January 14, 2009 8:15 PM | Link to this
Original Poster,
You’re what’s wrong with the world we live in…you must have some type of sensitivity or inferiority complex. Don’t you think I know that a Kamikaze is (and I’m not talking about the drink). Your type is so brainwashed to the whole “politically correct” crap that is fed down our throats day in and day out. Lighten up a little, bro (or is that offensive to you as well?).
By Dadgum
January 14, 2009 8:19 PM | Link to this
I am disappointed in the comments attributed to John Smoltz. The man understood the Braves position totally without any doubt whatsoever. No question that Smoltz wanted to play for Boston and jumped at the chance once the Braves, as expected tendered an offer below the level he wanted. What did he expect them to do?
I am not crying over losing John Smoltz. Not in the least. Again I am not blaming him but don’t throw it back in the Braves face either. This is a case where both sides are right and no argument can be won on the merit of either position.
Look people it is a new era now. Gone are Smoltz, soon to be Glavine, Maddux, thank God Hampton. Everything must change. Get young you know. Lowe is about as old as you want to get. I’ll take a season of Lowe at full speed over a slowed down Smoltz. Everyday. Advantage Braves. Let’s move on and wish Smoltz good luck.
Rock on……see ya on the next blog.
By Chop Chop
January 14, 2009 8:20 PM | Link to this
Bubdylan,
None of us mean anything. We just spout our little whiny opinions and the “shocked” front office people and the miffed athletes continue to make their big money regardless of it all.
Even so, I’m still a Smoltz guy. While I was never down with his political or social views, I liked watching that guy dominate the opposition. He’s not around (as Dylan pal George Harrison might have said, “All Things Must Pass”), so I hope some other Brave will come along and give me that kind of confidence.
That’s a “reasonable” viewpoint.
The unreasonable one is to tell you to go f*** yourself because your poor little heart was crushed when that mean ol’ Smoltzie cruelly rebuffed the angelic, beatific Wren.
(I kid.)
By KC
January 14, 2009 8:21 PM | Link to this
BravesFanInRockies: No, I wasn’t mentioning Vazquez as part of a Peavy trade. I was simply saying that if the, hypothetically, they had a legitimate chance to get Peavy, Vazquez might have to be dealt (this winter or next) to create the financial flexibility to accommodate Peavy. Dealing Vazquez would likely have to be a separate deal.
I don’t agree that the Braves would have to decimate their roster. They would have to create one hole, SS, to get Peavy. The other pieces are prospects, and maybe one middle reliever, like Boyer.
The Braves could then try to swing a deal for a SS, or put Infante at SS, and look for someone else to back up Chipper at 3B. Though Prado could probably very capably handle backup duties.
Escobar to Infante is a downgrade at SS… but what you’re losing there wouldn’t compare to what you’d gain in the rotation, which all of a sudden would be the best in the league.
But I’m wasting my breath here, cuz it’s never going to happen at this point. There’s an outside chance Peavy goes to CHI this winter (God I hope not… that would make the road to the world Series unbelievably tough for the next few years)… but more than likely, he’s going to stay right where he is for now.
By BraveNLa
January 14, 2009 8:23 PM | Link to this
Found this to be interesting, from foxsports.com:
The Yankees are not worried about finding a taker for outfielder Xavier Nady in a market that is all but devoid of right-handed power. Nady will command a significant increase from his 2008 salary of $3.35 million in arbitration, but still would be a decent investment. He is a likely Type-A free agent next offseason, and a team could offer him arbitration without fear that his salary would be exorbitant, thus preserving its right to draft-pick compensation.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 8:23 PM | Link to this
Adirondack Dave, and I’d expect Chipper’s response to that to be “I thought those 3 pitchers were replacing Glavine,Smoltz,and Hampton ?” Lol. I truly think Chipper’s loyalty left with Smoltz. They were “The Braves”. I guess we will see ? I don’t think the Braves will generate offense without a 30 to 40 homer 100 rbi guy behind Chipper.
By Rosie O'Donut
January 14, 2009 8:25 PM | Link to this
Francoeur was epically bad in 2006 and 2008 and mediocre in 2007.
By KC
January 14, 2009 8:25 PM | Link to this
TheAntiMe: Yeah… I hear Smoltz is a pretty good golfer, but I’d bet on Jesus. Hmmm… on second thought, it might be morally problematic to wager on Jesus, so… forget I said anything.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 8:25 PM | Link to this
Bubdylan—
Good post at 7:45! Made me laugh.
By fastasballs
January 14, 2009 8:31 PM | Link to this
Anyone else just facinated with the MLB channel? Don Larson’s perfect game in the 1956 World Series was shown today in it’s entirety. I was completely unaware that Vin Scully called that game, well actually split the duties with Mel Allen. I thought I recognized the voice, but thought it couldn’t be him, but it was.
I’m done tossing blame around regarding Smoltz leaving. Both sides had a hand in the outcome & regardless who you blame for it the fact is he’s gone. I wish him the best, unless he’s facing the Braves.
By Random
January 14, 2009 8:32 PM | Link to this
Shaun: “Gotta fight the good fight as long as people want to ignore the most important resource in a baseball game: Outs.”
Perfectly put!
These few lines, in a nutshell, perfectly capture exactly how far your ideology has skewed your perspective, logic and objectivity. — far beyond recovery, is my guess.
Outs are NOT “the most important resource in a baseball game” —
Runs are “the most important resource in a baseball game”.
A game is won by the team which scores the most runs — not by the team which makes the fewest outs.
Outs are secondary to runs — important only insofar as they affect runs scored or not scored.
It seems you have lost sight of that simple fact.
Except that you are aware of it:
“…The fact is if you look back at the history of the game, teams that post the highest OBPs and SLGs scored the most runs… . we should judge hitters on what leads to run creation.”
The thing you refuse to acknowledge is that OBP & SLG are not the only factors that influence run creation.
Shane: “RBI dont matter either. If you play on a good team with people on base in front of you you will have alot of rbi’s if you play on a bad team you wont have many. Rbis are meaningless.”
To a certain extent(ie, with no context), individual RBI totals may be “meaningless”.
Team RBIs are not meaningless.
Individual runs scored, to a certain extent(ie, with no context), may also be “meaningless”.
Team runs scored are not meaningless.
By KC
January 14, 2009 8:33 PM | Link to this
Olney and Smoltz: LOL… It always amuses me how some people here, when they’re not sure how to respond, fall back on personal attacks and name calling.
It’s especially amusing that in the middle of your name calling act, you actually called me “immature”. Might want to look up “irony” in your Merriam-Webster.
Because I believe Smoltz was responsible for his decision to walk away, I am blinded by my loyalty to the organization. That must be it. Because if anyone has the nerve to disagree with you, they’re stupid, immature, or blinded by some foolish allegiance.
But you on the other hand, are the very picture of objectivity, and are in no way influenced by your fondness for Smoltzy (who, by the way has always been my favorite player).
I bow in the presence of your superior reasoning skills.
By KC
January 14, 2009 8:35 PM | Link to this
CORRECTION: Earlier I said… “and then whine on the phone about how he was being disrespected by teammates.”
I meant to say “disrespected by the Braves organization”, not “teammates”.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Link to this
(Sorry this has to be bolded instead of italicized) “Some could say it’s a different situation for the [Red Sox] — ‘They have the money,’” Smoltz said. “That’s not true. It’s not a no-brainer. They looked at it completely different and they had a plan. The plan [in Atlanta] was that, ‘We just always assumed that he wouldn’t leave.’”
Someone better shut their gob-hole…
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Link to this
Power Outages : The Mets have David Wright,Carlos Beltran,and Carlos Delgado. The Phillies have Chase Utley and Ryan Howard. The Braves have only Chipper.
By Bubdylan
January 14, 2009 8:37 PM | Link to this
Chop Chop, for the record, I’m not a huge Wren fan. He seems to’ve sort of backed into a successful offseason, securing a good pitcher he was barely interested in to begin with, after losing out on a bust-arm pitcher and an Kotsay-back SS. Not that it doesn’t take some know-how to pull off what he did. I give him Kudos for not messing around with the Lowe bidding when things got desperate, etc.
I don’t think you have to be all that pro-Wren to find Smoltz’s conduct screwy.
By AdirondackDave
January 14, 2009 8:38 PM | Link to this
RobDawg08 — You’re right, Wren would have to really pull a rabbit out of the hat to get a real cleanup hitter at this point. Hope springs eternal though. As the team stands now, they look better to me than the club that they ended with last season but not a serious contender without a big stick. By the way, did I miss something Chipper said this week, why do you think his loyalty left with Smoltz?
By Efrim
January 14, 2009 8:41 PM | Link to this
Downgrading from Escobar to Infante? Folks, we currently have Matt Diaz, Gregor Blanco and Jeff Francoeur as our starting outfield. The Braves need one, heck, maybe two outfielders to make things interesting in the East. We are all set with pitching. Spent 34.5 million(average annual salary) in upgrading it, so it better be good, right? I know most are dreaming of a rotation of Peavy, Lowe, Vasquez, Jurrjens and Kawakami but I’d rather take my chances with a more balanced attack, ya know? Having to win games 2-1 is a risky business.
By JR Bob Dobbs
January 14, 2009 8:42 PM | Link to this
So Braves Fans, How many of you happen to also be Yellow Jacket fans like me (I’m a GT alum), and how many are watching the GT-Duke game on ESPN this evening? Did anyone notice one Andruw Jones spotted sitting in the stands wearing a New Era retro Braves cap? Just from the still I’m looking at off my DVR that shows him from the chest/neck up, it looks like he has lost some weight in the face, maybe back to the 2006-2007 level. Anyway, I suppose his being there in a Braves cap the night before he will be released by the Dodgers isn’t a coincidence - just a hunch…
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 8:43 PM | Link to this
I think you’re taking the high road, KC. Unlike myself, who is surely now going to Hades for my previous comment. :P
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 8:45 PM | Link to this
It is a fact that Smoltz turned down $20 million per year from the Yankees to re-up with the Braves (for $16 million per I think) up until this year. I can see the concern about Smoltz’ health but you’ve got to at least match the money offered by other teams for the “face” of the Braves (along with Chipper). Heck, the Braves had no problem paying Hampton’s injurious aze. That’s the part that is hard to understand. Therefore, I side with Smoltz.
By KC
January 14, 2009 8:47 PM | Link to this
robdawg08: You point (that the Mets and Phillies have more power) is valid. HOWEVER, you can’t leave McCann out of the conversation. He is a legitimate power hitter. He’ll hit around 25 homers, and 40-plus doubles every year.
If the Braves can add one more big bat, they’ll be right there in the same picture with NY and Phili. Especially if Francoeur bounces back.
By KC
January 14, 2009 8:50 PM | Link to this
TheAntiMe: Say 10 Hail Marys and 10 Our Fathers before you go to be tonight, and you’ll be ok. =)
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 8:53 PM | Link to this
I liken Chipper’s situation now to this scenario AdirondackDave : Let’s say there are two guys that have been the MVP’s of your factory for 15 years (Chipper & Smoltz). They could go work for a competitor making more money but they stay loyal to your company taking less pay. Then spring forward a few years and one worker (Smoltz) goes down with an injury. A re-ocurring injury but also one that he has shown he can recover from quickly. You release this worker (Smoltz). How do you think the other worker feels (Chipper) ? He must all of a sudden feel underappreciated like his brethren. I know this is a grade school scenario but it still fits.
By LT-A blogger
January 14, 2009 8:57 PM | Link to this
FW has signed “3” new pitchers for the rotation. 3.
Can folks please stop mentioning the word trade relative to a SD Padre pitcher whose name starts with P and ends with Y? Please? You guys are like the dude from Swingers that keeps callin’ the girl that dumped him.
By KC
January 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Link to this
JR Bob Dobbs: Unless someone else offers Andruw a significant guaranteed contract, which at this point is HIGHLY unlikely, I think it’s safe to say that he wants to come back to Atlanta. If he’s been trying to hide that, he’s done a pretty damned lousy job. lol
I think the Braves will sign him at the Major League minimum, but those here who are afraid of that need not be frightened. He’s not going to be awarded the CF job just by signing here. He’s going to have to make the team out of spring training.
No one is going to be holding their breath, but the dude is ONLY 31 YEARS OLD… I mean, really, you’ve got to think that if he’s healthy and in good shape, there is a chance that he’ll bounce back. Especially if his pride has been broken (and how could it not be) to the point that he’s finally willing to listen to TP and stop trying to pull every pitch into the left-field stands.
Even if the Braves sign or trade for an outfield power bat, there will certainly be room for more power. So Andruw will probably get a shot at redemption in Atlanta. And if he cashes in on it, it’ll be a helluva steal for the Braves. If not, he won’t last long, and almost nothing will have been lost.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 8:59 PM | Link to this
I am trying something different to make this stand out. (I am a needy individual). I love John Smoltz. He plays for another team now. Enough of what he thinks.
As for what to do with the need for a LF bat. I wouldn’t be surprised if Andruw is offered a minor league contact. If he accepts, bring him into ST. He actually might go elsewhere, if so, OK. Personally, I think he is done.
If perchance, AJ is NOT done, then he can make it interesting in the spring. It seems the Yankees might want to see what shakes out in the early spring to see if they want to trade an outfielder, and which one it might be. I like both Swisher and Nady. Swisher is more flexible on where he can play, but Nady is a better bat.
Also, in the spring, if there are other bats still around on the FA front, I think they will be significantly cheaper than they were a month ago, or today, for that matter.
So, let’s invite the fat boy we all know and love, and see what shakes out with him, Jordan Schafer, Brandon Jones, and our two other fast centerfielders.
If things aren’t working out swimmingly, then we can call Cashen up, or the agents for Edmonds, Griffey, Abreu, or even the Cards to see who might be available.
I also like the kid Joe Mather of the Cards. Maybe Bobby’s Cox can get his way, and we can make a deal for Nelson Cruz in Texas.
Now, one more time, if you bump into John Smoltz in the Bi-Lo’s down there, tell him hello from Wayne in Utah, and tell him how much I appreciate what he has meant to the Braves for all these years. Wish him luck in 2009, and when he is out of sight, realize he is now with that other team.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 8:59 PM | Link to this
I think we are all in agreement that a power OF bat is essential. I realize you can ask for All-stars at every position like the Yankees have but all we asked for was 2 starting pitchers and an OF bat. Wren has delivered two of those three so far.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 9:01 PM | Link to this
DOB
Didn’t somebody write a song once about being “Hot for the Dentist!”
or was it something else
:-)
By keylargo
January 14, 2009 9:01 PM | Link to this
McFann
Whatever Smoltz is saying, I’m not giving it any value. He is on his own agenda now and his loyalty is gone. (Didn’t he divorce his wife and mother of all his kids too? Maybe that’s got something to do with all this.)
By the way, did you ever see Field of Dreams? If not, you should. It’s one of the best baseball movies.
By Tomas
January 14, 2009 9:03 PM | Link to this
Randy Johnson. Why isn’t he old? Jamie Moyer. There’s a lot of old pitchers. Smoltz comment about getting old.
Randy Johnson fastball dropped from 97-98mph to 89-92mph. He can’t go the innings he once was able too, and every pitch he throws is agonizing. He suffered from dead arm this year, and had back problems. He is old, and a very high risk, but not as high as Smoltzie just because Randy didn’t finish last year with surgery on a serious injury. Yeah Smoltz is a master at withholding pain but he doesn’t know what will happen this year, thet’s why Smoltz is a higher risk. Likewise with Jamie Moyer, but in his case he is just not a power pitcher, he barely reaches 82mph, how he manages to get hitters out I don’t know, he just knows how to pitch.
Tom Glavine presents a lower risk than Smoltz, because unlike Smoltz injury(no player has ever been able to comeback from), the damage found in his arm was minimal. Glavine isn’t a power pitcher, which means velocity doesn’t matter that much. He and Moyer are the same kind of pitcher, but Moyer is older and has proven to be more effective.
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this
It does seem sort of ironic that Mike Hampton collected 200 zillion dollars from the Braves and did not pitch for a couple of years total during his time here, but no one really got nearly as bent out of shape as some people currently are because John Smoltz left after being paid for pitching only about 20%, or so, of the 2008 season.
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 14, 2009 9:05 PM | Link to this
KC, among all thirty MLB teams, divide one ACE type pitcher among each team and tell me where Derek Lowe ends up on your list. I’m curious to know.
P.S. Lowe didn’t make my list. in fact, he didn’t even crack the top thirty-five. That said, if Derek Lowe is to be considered the Braves ACE for 2009, we are in DEEP ,DEEP, DEEP DODO.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 9:08 PM | Link to this
robdawg08 “…The Braves have only Chipper.”
Excuse me? Like KC said, can’t leave McCann out of the equation, there, Bud. 42 doubles is nutin to sneeze at, ya know. And he did lead the team in HR last year…and doubles and RBI…
Those 42 doubles ties him with Terry Kennedy for the NL record for most doubles in a single season by a catcher, too…don’t know if I ever mentioned that…
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:08 PM | Link to this
Obviously, I’m a Dawgs fan. I’m kinda bummed out losing Smoltz along with losing Stafford,Moreno,and Allen too. Congrats on your win this year Tech fan. I actually pull for Tech except against the Dawgs.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 9:09 PM | Link to this
Robdawg
Actually, I don’t think your analogy applies, because you don’t mention how close that factory worker who was hurt, is close to retiring, or being totally unable to perform his factory duties. Though in his mind, he thinks he can go on for years, logic tells you otherwise.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 9:10 PM | Link to this
Wayne “…He plays for another team now. Enough of what he thinks.”
Yeah, amen.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:13 PM | Link to this
He actually signed two and traded for one SP.
By Philliesuk
January 14, 2009 9:14 PM | Link to this
Since signing Lowe, one thing that keeps coming up is whether or not he is an ‘ace.’ Does it really matter?
Let’s look at some of the teams with aces who didn’t make the playoffs: Toronto (Halladay), SD (Peavy), Arizona (Webb), NYM (Santana), SF (Lincecum), Houston (Oswalt), Cincy (Volquez), Cleveland (Lee)… You get the point.
Now what about the teams that made the playoffs? Did they all have ‘aces?’ Yes: Cubs, Brewers, Phillies, Rays, Red Sox No: Dodgers, Angels, White Sox. So it’s 5 - 3.
The conclusion is that you do not HAVE to have an ace to win. In fact, the team without an ace (LAD) swept the team with arguably three aces (Cubs). Another conclusion is that an ace does not guarantee you a trip to the playoffs. Even a team with an ace AND a great lineup (the Mets) still couldn’t make the playoffs. Hell, the Braves had five ‘aces’ on their staff at times, and we still only won one WS.
My final point is that aces are developed. I’m sure we have an ace or two in the making. Every indication is that Hanson is a possible candidate. I know everyone projects Jurrjens to be a #2-3 starter, but I still think he could become a legit ace. Did anyone think Maddux was going to be an ace after his rookie season? Absolutely not.
So to all of the skeptics, I’m telling you that Derek Lowe doesn’t really need to be an ace. As long as we have an ace in the making on the farm, we’ll be fine. Even next year, Derek Lowe will be a great #1 starter for us. Don’t forget that he’s a great playoffs pitcher, or at least capable of it. You know who also gets overlooked in all of this? Hudson. I know he’ll be coming off of surgery, but you can arguably call him an ‘ace.’ He has never had a losing season, he has won 20 games in a season, and when he is on, he is unhittable. That’s an ace, in my book.
By 18 Wheels of Love
January 14, 2009 9:15 PM | Link to this
Check out part of Smoltz’s ‘contract’ with the Sox. I keep going back to Wren’s statement that he was prepared to pay John to pitch and the Sox were prepared to pay him more to not pitch.
John Smoltz’s performance bonuses with the Red Sox provide little incentive for him to return before June. Smoltz will earn $125,000 the first day he is on the active roster and $35,000 each day from June 1 to Oct. 3. He also will receive $500,000 if he is active on Oct. 4, the final day of the regular season, and $500,000 if he is Comeback Player of the Year …
per Rosenthal
Personally, I think John wanted to be wanted more than the Braves showed him, nothing more. We got out-courted. What a mess of a contract.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:15 PM | Link to this
I guess that will be determined by Smoltz , Wayne. I see your point if he can’t pitch.
By Doc Holiday
January 14, 2009 9:15 PM | Link to this
Is our cleanup hitter here yet?
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 9:16 PM | Link to this
One last outfield point for the night. I would be thrilled with the Francoeur of 2005, 2006, or 2007. OBP or not, he was a very productive batter those years. One of our better clutch hitters.
I just think last year, he tried to change his body make-up to allow him to move to the next level, and it backfired. I would be happy if we got the old Jeff back. I suspect the Braves do to.
By Reality
January 14, 2009 9:17 PM | Link to this
You know what I hate most about the dentist? The part where they take that metal hook and poke your gums with it for like ten minutes, and then tell you your gums are bleeding and you should floss more.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 9:21 PM | Link to this
Coach, we all see your point about Lowe not being a top 35 pitcher. Hey, our staff is much better than it was 3 months ago. Will it be enough, probably still too many question marks. It could go either way.
Let’s play it out, see where we go, then regroup in 2010 with maybe Hanson as a major cog. We will know a lot more by then about Jurrjens, Kawakami, and Vazquez.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:21 PM | Link to this
You don’t have to have any aces. But when you play game 7 in a World Series you are going to face the other team’s ace. So it is better to have one as well…
By 18 Wheels of Love
January 14, 2009 9:27 PM | Link to this
Reality: Get a Sonicare toothbrush. best ever.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 9:28 PM | Link to this
18 Wheels
That 35 grand a day, heck that’s close to what I make per day!
Robdawg
Maybe more correctly put, that will be determined by those screws in his right shoulder. I heard some damning info from a reliable source on that shoulder. Can’t say more, but a person who knows shoulders said it was one of the worse he has seen.
You didn’t know I was such a shoulder expert now, did you? (actually have been under the knife on my right shoulder twice)
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:28 PM | Link to this
I hate feeling the sting of the numbing medicine going thru that 7 inch needle stuck 5 inches into your gum…
By **eric in albany**
January 14, 2009 9:30 PM | Link to this
can anyone remember the last full time left fielder who started for the braves? was his name chipper jones? i dont even count him. who was the last real left fielder who played for the braves?
By bgvt
January 14, 2009 9:31 PM | Link to this
Coach —
About where Lowe would rank compared to other pitchers: I agree he isn’t an ace in the sense of being a perennially All-Star selection, but he has ranked in the top 10 in NL ERA leaders in two of the last four years (amongst qualifiers, i.e., 162 IP) and in the top 20 in the other two years.
You’ve been saying that he is a #2 or #3 pitcher. I can see why you can argue that he is a #2 and not a #1 but I think you overstate your case when you say he is a #3. He might not crack your top 30 but are you really willing to say he isn’t in your top 60? The top 30 would be the “#1” starters (since, overall, MLB needs 30 #1 starters). So, doesn’t your logic suggest he is a #2 and not a #3?
I would put him somewhere between #30 & #40 amongst MLB starters — maybe a bit higher if you value durability over being dominant when not injured (see AJ Burnett or Ben Sheets). Other than the first week of the season and the week after the All-Star break, it is fairly rare that pitching match-ups go to form (i.e, each teams pitches its “#1” starter) so I think this debate about being an “ace” is overblown.
To me, Jair Jurrjens is a key player to watch. He was 3rd in the NL ROY voting. If he takes the next step this year (without a sophomore jinx), he might be ready to crack the top 30 starters in the MLB. He is only 23 so it is hard to know how it will play out. But, if Lowe gives us his typical year and JJJ continues to mature, they could be a solid 1-2 punch.
By KC
January 14, 2009 9:32 PM | Link to this
Coach: Well, I would keep going until I changed your mind about Lowe, but I don’t think I have quite that much time. =)
By AdirondackDave
January 14, 2009 9:34 PM | Link to this
Reality — Absolutely hilarious. Thanks for your 9:17 post.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:34 PM | Link to this
I heard you had been “under the knife” but I thought it was a cliche… Lol.
By keylargo
January 14, 2009 9:37 PM | Link to this
It does seem sort of ironic that Mike Hampton collected 200 zillion dollars from the Braves and did not pitch for a couple of years total during his time here, but no one really got nearly as bent out of shape as some people currently are because John Smoltz left after being paid for pitching only about 20%, or so, of the 2008 season. TheAntiMe
Smoltz missed part of 99 and all of 2000 in addition to pitching 28 innings last year.
The thing that gets me is that MLB players get 100% of their salaries, all medical bills paid, rehab and therapies and still have no appreciation or loyalty towards the communities that paid the bills.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:39 PM | Link to this
Ok, McFann. Chipper = Utley and Wright. McCann does not = Delgado or Howard. Copeche ?
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:42 PM | Link to this
Ryan Klesko ? But I think he was part-time with Gerald Williams. Maybe Rufino Linares ? Lol.
By DAP
January 14, 2009 9:45 PM | Link to this
mr baseball re your 6:32pm rant.
im not an OBP worshipper. i dont know where you get that idea.
all ill say is this. the argument that was made was that francouer has put up better number than nady. the truth is, the only numbers francouer has beat nady in is HR and RBI. RBIs arent a good measure of a hitter, because its dependant on runners being on. there fore, its not fair to campre. i think we agree on that. that leaves HR. nady has actualy hit more homeruns since 2005 than francouer, so id say they are pretty even there.
everything else, nady has frenchy beat. slugging batting average, on base…everything.
i dont think i and idiot this time.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 9:46 PM | Link to this
I’m with you 100 % keylargo. Remember Paul Byrd signed with the Braves then Maddux accepted arbitration because nobody would pay him near $13 million per year and that made us trade Millwood ? Byrd is injured all year then promptly signs with the Angels after being rehabbed by the Braves and contributing nada. Don’t even get me started on Hampton…
By Reality
January 14, 2009 9:51 PM | Link to this
Sheesh. When John Smoltz signed, I thought I’d be able to lessen the blow greatly by not thinking about it at all; like pretending Smoltz had retired and wasn’t a Red Sox. But noooooo, we need to be reminded about Smoltz every two minutes. Smoltz signs term sheet, Smoltz in Boston, Smoltz passes physical, Smoltz press conference one, Smoltz at Celtics game in ugly brown sweater, Smoltz on Atlanta radio, Smoltz press conference two….AJC puts up Smoltz in Red Sox cap photo on Braves’ AJC front page like an hour after DOB breaks the Lowe signing, and now he is there again with a new story and yet more funtastic quotes. Uncle, uncle!
What is next? Smoltz on American Idol singing a song about Boston? Smoltz doing a much-aired-on-television remake of that Home Depot commercial where he puts a Braves’ logo on some family’s lawn, except this time he wears a Red Sox uniform and it is a Red Sox logo on the lawn? Or maybe a full page ad in the AJC paid for by John Smoltz himself asking Braves fans to come see him when the Red Sox visit Atlanta during the 2009 regular season?
By Random
January 14, 2009 9:56 PM | Link to this
Dadgum: “I’ll take a season of Lowe at full speed over a slowed down Smoltz. Everyday.”
Thing is, that was a false choice — it never had to be one or the other.
Bubdylan: “Both sides of the [Smoltz] issue have an argument. Neither side is inherently stupid. I’m sure there are reasonable stances from either side of the line.”
Agreed — thing is, neither side really has all the facts. And it’s even more pointless to speculate on personal motivations, etc.
VAROADRUNNER: “So who left whom? He bolted! Abandoned the Braves! Left them out in the cold (or so he thought - 09 will decide) He had to be thinking, to hell with family, they can’t win this year and they don’t want to pay me up-front. I’m going to beantown.”
Were you aware that, according to Murray Chass, “The 41-year-old Smoltz, accounting for his shoulder operation last June, made his own proposal, which he called a risk-and-reward offer, where he would accept financial risk and give the Braves more protection earlier in the season in exchange for financial reward if he were pitching regularly later in the season. But the Braves rejected the proposal.”
Do you know the details of Smoltz’ proposal? Yeah, me neither. How ‘bout you, Robert from SC? BEAR?
THE BEAR: “This Smoltz thing is getting to be utterly ridiculous. The Braves paid him $14 million last year for NOT PITCHING.”
How much of that was covered by insurance?
And what did he do when he couldn’t PITCH? He underwent extensive surgery and intensive rehabilitation so that he could pitch for the Braves in 2009. Is that worth nothing to you?
I wonder if Smoltz had returned, say, $10M to the Braves, would they have divided it between Jurrjens, Campillo and Norton?
Your take on this particular matter (“$14 million last year for NOT PITCHING”) is incredibly naive.
Ironic, isn’t it, how the people who questioned or objected to the Braves’ decision have been designated the “emotional” ones. You yourself are among those who approach hysteria on the subject.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 9:56 PM | Link to this
Robdawg
The shoulder was a couple of years ago. Recently, they have been whacking away at my midparts….appendix is now safely in the trash can. As a matter of fact, last week at this hour, I was under the knife! Feels much better now, but I had to go out and get a pair of pants that was too sizes too big, so I could quit wearing my jammies!
By Bubdylan
January 14, 2009 9:57 PM | Link to this
Abridged version of Smoltz’s comments
By ex-Smoltzie fan
January 14, 2009 9:58 PM | Link to this
Dude, just take your 21 truckloads of ridiculous cash, and move on. Quit blaming the Braves for turning 42, for christssakes.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 14, 2009 10:01 PM | Link to this
robdawg08 “McCann does not = Delgado or Howard. Copeche?”
I didn’t say he equaled Howard or Delgado, I said he was the Braves’ other power hitter. “Copeche”? And if you hate strikeouts, he’s the guy ya wanna have.
He’s got good stats, man. Just lettin’ ya know.
Night, all!
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 10:02 PM | Link to this
“Smoltz missed part of 99 and all of 2000 in addition to pitching 28 innings last year.
The thing that gets me is that MLB players get 100% of their salaries, all medical bills paid, rehab and therapies and still have no appreciation or loyalty towards the communities that paid the bills. - keylargo
By keylargo
January 14, 2009 10:03 PM | Link to this
Reality
Well said. X2 from me. Like I said earlier that B on Smoltz’s Boston picture stands for Buttwhole as far as I am concerned.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 10:05 PM | Link to this
If I was given ten bucks everytime I saw the name “Peavy” on here, I would be a stinkin’ millionaire.
Question is, why would we want to make a hole at SS and bankrupt the farm in order to bring this major tool here?
It’s not worth it. We have our rotation now. Now’s the time to concentrate on the big bat. I am confident with our pitching now.
Keep in mind, this pr!ck didn’t even want to come here in the first place.
We need to be grateful for unanswered prayers, in this instance.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 10:10 PM | Link to this
Hey reality, I think I just saw Smoltz doing a Geicko commercial as a caveman ! Lol.
By Yars
January 14, 2009 10:11 PM | Link to this
Man, let’s get over Smoltz. I wish him well in Boston, but I’m more interested in how our OF is gonna pan out. Is Wren seriously considering giving Andruw a spring training invite? I think we’ll find out soon. Hell, I’d rather see Schafer, Anderson, & Blanco battle it out for CF. As for LF, maybe looking for a LF via trade is the way to go, as long as we don’t have to give up KJ. Ankiel has never impressed me, & neither has Nady & Swisher. Looks like Dunn wants a multi year deal. Would it be unrealistic to suggest that Andruw is given an invite, has a decent spring, & winds up being our opening day CF, while Schafer has a solid spring & winds up being our opening day LF in a somewhat platoon with Diaz? Why not try to solve our LF problem in house?! now playing: ant music by adam & the ants.
By Rosie O'Donut
January 14, 2009 10:11 PM | Link to this
Several e-mailers have pointed out that Andruw Jones is in attendance at the Duke-Georgia Tech men’s basketball game and is wearing an Atlanta Braves hat. Interesting, eh?
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 10:13 PM | Link to this
I like McCann a lot. We just need a bona fide power hitter though. Like the Chipper,Justice,McGriff days…
By greg
January 14, 2009 10:14 PM | Link to this
I hope Wren realizes the following:
The most fierce competitor in Braves history has left the building.
Fans will notice the lack of fun at the Ted.
Smoltz was fun to watch.
Derek Lowe is a soft tosser who pitches to contact and lives and dies based on where the ball is hit and performance of the fielders. Our second baseman is a disaster.
Kawakami is a question mark, and pro scouts say he won’t impress MLB hitters.
Vazquez loves giving up the long ball. He hasn’t been a quality pitcher since he left Montreal.
We have spent a lot of money and have nothing fun to show for it.
The Ted will not rock this season. Smoltz will win more games than Lowe in 2009.
A few million and a show of good faith could have averted this disaster.
By TheAntiMe
January 14, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this
“Smoltz missed part of 99 and all of 2000 in addition to pitching 28 innings last year.
The thing that gets me is that MLB players get 100% of their salaries, all medical bills paid, rehab and therapies and still have no appreciation or loyalty towards the communities that paid the bills.” - keylargo
Think about it, keylargo. This freeloader, John Smoltz, missed parts of 2 seasons and all of 1 season over 21 seasons putting up “Hall of Fame” numbers for the Braves. Is that really such a bad track record for the most injury-plagued position in baseball of pitcher (starting and closer, I might add)?
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this
Wayne, I got a question for you. I could google this I’m sure for the answer but while you’re here… What type of fish (if any) are found in the great salt lake in Salt Lake City, Utah ? Thanks.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this
Tips cap to Garth Brooks…
By wide right
January 14, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this
Carroll,
Great story on Smoltz. I have a question about the following quote ascribed to Smoltz:
“When they say consistently ‘We’re philosophically way apart, it’s time we move on,’ ” Smoltz said. “What am I to do, beg?”
I hope this was a misquote or a miscommunication. I hope what Smoltz intended to communicate was: “When they say consistently ‘We’re philosophically way apart” then it’s time we move on. In other words, I hope Smoltz isnt saying Wren actually suggested he and the Braves part ways. Otherwise, i cant forgive Wren…he really did blow it.
By BravoMan
January 14, 2009 10:23 PM | Link to this
There’s been talks on MLB Trade Rumors(yes that’s my source) that Andruw was at the Duke @ Georgia Tech game wearing a Braves cap. Andruw is dying to come back to Atlanta. We’ve seen him in his prime and he’s still so young. Heck, the first Braves game I ever went to my favorite part was an Andruw web gem in center. He’s a large part why I got into this sport. He must have lost something along the way. I think if we bring him back he may find what he lost in his swing. I mean it’s not gonna cost us much at all. We should give him a shot. I find this deal to be a low risk high reward deal. Anyway he’ll be released tomorrow and I expect Wren to sign him fairly soon if he decides to do so.
I have to commend Wren for having that team meeting today. It was definetly a good idea. Times are changing that’s for sure and that was a good way to let all the players know what was going on and that allowed them to express any concerns that they may have.
I am also pleased to hear that the Braves have narrowed down their LF variable to most likely Nady or Swisher from the Yanks. Sure some more deals may present themselves but I would be content with either of these guys in LF. Keep up the GREAT work Mr. Wren.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 10:24 PM | Link to this
Optimistic are we now, Greg?
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 10:26 PM | Link to this
I think keylargo was referring to Hampton and not Smoltz. I hope so anyways.
By Fat Andy
January 14, 2009 10:26 PM | Link to this
I’ve been seeing reports about Andruw working out with McCann and, who was it, Chipper? Was there video? Pictures? Was Andy still fat or was he just big boned?
If I could get a slimmed down Andruw, subject him to water boarding so I could control his mind and insure that he would listen, I might take a chance on him. Maybe he has fallen to such depths that he may actually listen and learn now. If not, no big deal, you don’t have much invested in him.
By JC from UT
January 14, 2009 10:32 PM | Link to this
ROBDOG08: Nothing but brine shrimp live in the Great Salt Lake. At one time they tried putting some type of filtration system in a portion of the lake to see if any fish would survive and all it did was clog the filters. Also, long ago there was a type of amusement park on the shores which burned down in a large fire.
By robdawg08
January 14, 2009 10:32 PM | Link to this
If you think about it the Braves are now the 3rd best franchise in Atlanta. The Falcons and Hawks are now ahead of them. Falcons made the playoffs and the Hawks will again this year. That’s hard to fathom after 13 years of MLB domination.
By The Captain
January 14, 2009 10:33 PM | Link to this
keylargo
Your comment about Smoltz and his divorce was absolutely uncalled for, insensitive, and showed that you give new meaning to the word ignorant. You know nothing of his situation, and it has absolutely nothing to do with his decisions in baseball.
You keep using the word loyalty, but basically what you mean is you want someone who does everything that you want. Smoltz gave over 20 years to this organization, busting his butt to give the franchise, his teammates, and the fans everything he could. He pitched better than most in the game even when his arm was practically falling off, and more often than not he was pitching in extreme pain. He accepted significantly less money on TWO occasions to stay with the Braves. And when the franchise basically shows him the door you blame him and question his loyalty.
If I had a fan like you I’d leave too.
By Tomas
January 14, 2009 10:34 PM | Link to this
Just saw the video of mlb netork analyzing why andruw struggled. Barry Larkin says, he stance is dramatically different from 2005, and it was because of the knee he changed his stance. From the video I saw form 05, and 08 it’s a very different stance. I think he is worth giving a shot for 400k, and if he truly wants to be an Atlanta, he will not even see other offers. Wren you’ve been on a roll making the right moves lately, I hope you make the right move and offer Andruw a contract.
By Dadgum
January 14, 2009 10:39 PM | Link to this
Smoltz has not helped himself with Atlanta fans with his assessment of the situation. He should have just shut up. It was time for him to leave but his take on the Braves’ reasoning is flat wrong. The Braves offered what they could, when they said they would, he could have stayed and made plenty of money with incentives. He chose to leave because he wanted to play for a ring. Nothing wrong with that. Just don’t tell us that it was teh offer that made you leave. Please we aren’t that stupid.
Andruw was seen at the GT game wearing a new Braves cap. Guess he is getting ready to sign later in the week. That or working the cameras so he could send a message saying he wants to play here. Can’t see why the braves wouldn’t sign him to a minor league deal. They have thrown away more money in worse ways.
Rock on….
By Random
January 14, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this
Savannah Guy: “you asked where the post came from? Uh, my keyboard. Not sure I understood the question.”
Sorry — my bad. I thought you were quoting someone, but you wrote it yourself, huh.
Instead of cut & paste, you just cut loose!
My hat’s off to you — sterling performance! Well said, sir.
KC —
Maybe you didn’t see this yesterday:
KC: “Why should the difference in guaranteed money have been important? If Smoltz is confident in his ability to contribute, he could have stayed right where he was and made the same money, even if he had to call Wren and negotiate the incentive clause benchmarks a bit (which I’m sure could have been done).”
Hmmmmm — lessee.
What if he hits the DL next year for reason(s) other than his repaired shoulder, thereby reducing his earned incentives? Fair of the Braves? Wise of Smoltz?
And according to Murray Chass, “The 41-year-old Smoltz, accounting for his shoulder operation last June, made his own proposal, which he called a risk-and-reward offer, where he would accept financial risk and give the Braves more protection earlier in the season in exchange for financial reward if he were pitching regularly later in the season. But the Braves rejected the proposal.”
I haven’t heard any details of Smoltz’ proposal to the Braves, which I would assume is distinct from the Red Sox’ offer to Smoltz.
“After getting paid 14 million dollars for 6 starts last year, SURELY he wouldn’t want his team to again have to pay him 5-plus million to offer his moral support from the dugout, RIGHT?”
I wonder how much of that $14M was covered by insurance. Did Liberty Media foot the bill, or Liberty Mutual? AFLAC?
I also wonder if Smoltz had returned, say, $10M to the Braves, would they have divided it between Jurrjens, Campillo and Norton?
Your take on this particular matter (“14 million dollars for 6 starts”) is incredibly naive.
8-)
Tomas: “Randy Johnson fastball dropped from 97-98mph to 89-92mph. He can’t go the innings he once was able too, and every pitch he throws is agonizing. He suffered from dead arm this year, and had back problems. He is old, and a very high risk,”
I don’t know — Johnson made 30 starts last year for 184 IP (2 complete games), 3.91 ERA and 1.24 WHIP, 173 Ks and 38 UIBBs.
And he finished as strong as ever, with 5 GS in Sep, 3.41 ERA, 1.17 WHIP and a CG in his last start of the season on 28 Sep, giving up only 2 hits, one walk and one unearned run.
MLB.com on Randy Johnson:
“Even at age 45, Johnson remained effective last season, posting an 11-10 record with a 3.91 ERA in 30 starts for the D-backs. He ranked third among National League pitchers with a 3.93 strikeout-to-walk ratio and sixth with 8.46 strikeouts per nine innings. His 2.41 ERA following the All-Star break ranked fifth among NL hurlers.”
The Braves could’ve done worse than signing Johnson. (But they didn’t.)
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 10:43 PM | Link to this
BravoMan,
Many of us who don’t want the Braves anywhere near Andruw (even for a minor league contract) share this fear:
The Braves sign him to a minor league deal and forget about finding another bat. He’ll show up in shape in Florida, get to every ball in sight, hit about .275 with a couple of dingers and head north with the big club.
Bobby will run him out there every day but the Real Andruw of 2007/8 will show up. Finally, on Memorial Day, with the team 15 games out of first and Andruw, hitting .190 with 2 HR and six doubles and 60 K, will mercifully be released. Too late to salvage the 2009 season, unfortunately.
By keylargo
January 14, 2009 10:46 PM | Link to this
Well, Captain, the first thing I’m going to say is why are you being a gutless MFer and not using your regular name?
Second, why don’t you include where your fountain of knowledge is coming from? Do you know Smoltz?
Third, I mentioned the divorce because I thought he might have actually needed some money because all he’s made up to this point is $115,000,000 from his Braves salaries.
And yes, I think he should have stayed and think I would have had I been in the situation of being paid almost 3 years of salary for being on the DL.
By Hytest
January 14, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this
DOB just got back from Beaver Creek tonight, snowed every single day, powder was great. But i did come back with I think a torn ACL so maybe wasn;t the greatest trip. Now on to my braves, I read the post the day Smoltz signed with Baston, I was livid at Wren, but the more I think about it the more I agree. The only thing they might could have done was give smoltz enough of incentives to match the Baston offer(easy incentives like 1.25 mil per month) wren has done a pretty job, at the end of the season we had No number 1, maybe jj as a number 2, who else, Hampton JO Jo they are all 5’s. Now we have two no. 2 and two 3’s and all the 5’s you want, To all the people who think we over paid for lowe, If we had not given the money to him and saved it do you think they would use it in 2010 or maybe went down on season tickets, you spend it or lose it, that’s the world of business, now, move on……….
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 10:50 PM | Link to this
Braves Fan in Rockies
Couldn’t have said it better myself. But you know how Booby Cox is, he might just let Andruw hang around regardless of how sucky he is.
He did it for that really sucky Corky Miller, and even brought him back. You never know about ole Booby.
By daleusa40
January 14, 2009 10:53 PM | Link to this
Sorry if I missed it but any news on the team meeting today.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 10:59 PM | Link to this
It is kind of curious why people assume different screen names on here
By Poco Fan
January 14, 2009 11:00 PM | Link to this
DOB’s earier comment that the Braves couldn’t now take on Peavy due to the money required. This leads me to believe that if they want to get a big bopper, this leaves out the remaining big name free agents (i.e. Manny, Dunn or Abreu). So he’s gonna have to come from a trade. Of couse this will keep the blogosphere going strong with all the “Who do we keep, who do we trade, who can we get” scenarios. Here’s a crazy scenario I just thought of: Derek Lowe goes to Cox and Wren tomorrow and says “Guys, although I had a great second half last year all the credit for the Dodgers winning the west should go to Manny. He pretty much carried the team down the stretch. He was a total team player and wasn’t a problem in the club house. Nothing like he was in Boston and, hey, I know what it’s like to play in Boston! Boras told me he was willing to mend his ways to prove to everyone he still had what it takes.” Wren goes to JS and they go to Liberty to get some more money and call Boras and sign Manny. The Braves get the best hitting option available to put them back into the playoffs. It’s crazy, but you can always dream.
By Flustered Fan
January 14, 2009 11:01 PM | Link to this
For the life of me, Dixie, I just can’t figure out why people would do that.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 11:02 PM | Link to this
Folks, before the Dodgers agreed to restructure Andruw’s contract there were some rumors flying that they were working on a deal with the Mets to swap bad contracts — Andruw for Luis Castillo.
Wonder if the Mets would try to sign him for the minimum anyway?
By BravoMan
January 14, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this
OMG someone needs to go on ESPN.com right now and see the ridiculous article written by Buster Onley and tell me why he’s a professional analyst. His whole article is just a since of confusion on why the Braves signed Lowe. I swear every Atlanta move is a negative one in some way to a ton of people. He wonders why Atlanta didn’t restart talks with Peavy. First of all I want to confirm the favt that Peavy can decide where he will be traded. And I’m going to say this just once and I can only hope that you’ll all undestand why I say this…PEAVY DOESN’T WANT TO PITCH IN ATLANTA! He may have had interest in the beginning becuz he grew up in Alabama, but let’s be honest with eachother he only wanted to play for the Cubs. Atlanta’s offer was cleary gonna be better than any offer the Cubs could come up with but didnt you all notise how hard Towers was focused on the Cubs and the Braves deal just ended fairly quickly. Peavy wanted to be traded to the Cubs cuz they’re guarnteed contenders right now. I’m sure DOB would back me up here.
So with the Peavy deal not going to happen for Wren he needed to please all you complainers that were mad bout Smoltz. I know I was too. He’s always been my favorite, but Wren needed to focus on a new group of pitchers that could eat up innings. So he signed Lowe. Some say it was too much considering the Mets offered 36mm over 3yrs, but this is Boras were dealing with here. And has Yogi would say “It’s gotten late early” and Im refering to the offseason. Wren needed to get it done and quick and we’ve got the money to do so. I know your all gonna hate me cuz you all want Peavy and I did too, but please think about what I’m saying and try to understand that it just wasn’t gonna work. Lowe is our number 1 and I’m completely statisfied(that’s what she said):)
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this
Yeah, Flustered, I know what you mean there, ole buddy.
We sure do think a lot alike, don’t we? ;)
By Big Boned Andy
January 14, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this
I just like saying Big Boned Andy.
By Flustered Fan
January 14, 2009 11:04 PM | Link to this
Great minds think alike, (wink, wink, nudge nudge)
By Random
January 14, 2009 11:05 PM | Link to this
The Captain —
Hear, hear!!! Well said, sir.
(Bear in mind though, you’re addressing the chick who despises Scott Boras because Bucky Woy killed Bill Lucas. “These are the days of our life.”)
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 11:06 PM | Link to this
Alright, enough of me being “two-faced”
Back to baseball
By KC
January 14, 2009 11:07 PM | Link to this
Dadgum: Damn straight. Smoltz had an opportunity to stay. A very reasonable offer.
He left.
I’m nauseated every time I hear someone suggest that the Braves did him wrong. After getting paid 14 million dollars to hang out in the broadcast booth, was it really reasonable of Smoltz to demand a larger guarantee?
The incentives worked out about the same in the competing offers, and if the incentive clauses had really been the issue, I’d bet my life that the terms of those clauses could have been negotiated.
I understand why players generally want guarantees. It’s important to have that financial security, especially very early on in your career. But after 20-plus years of getting paid extraordinarily well, immediately after a season in which he got paid 14 million for 6 starts, and with a 42 year-old freshly reconstructed shoulder… I honestly don’t think it was fair or reasonable of Smoltz to expect or demand a large guarantee. As long as the health/performance based pay was comparable, I feel that should have been enough for him to stand by his team and fans of 20 years.
Admittedly, it’s easy for me to say from the sidelines, but I truly believe that in his situation, I wouldn’t have wanted the Braves to guarantee much money. If I didn’t need the money, and was already financially set… I would want to get paid in direct proportion to how well I am able to serve the team. And the highly incentivized offer the Braves made him would have done that.
I mean… would Smoltz really have WANTED for the Braves to have to pay him 5-6 million dollars for him to offer morale support from the dugout, immediately on the heels of their having payed him 14 million to do just that???
I loved and respected Smoltzy as much as any Braves fan. I truly did. But PLEASE people… stop turning him into a martyr. He had a very reasonable offer and a chance to remain loyal to all of you who remain loyal to him to this very day.
Boston stroked his ego, offered him more guaranteed cash, and could give him a reasonable assurance of postseason play. That was a trifecta of factors that made the Sox hard for him to resist. I get that. But that doesn’t mean the Braves were unfair to him in any way. The Braves made a very reasonable offer under the circumstances… and he left. Please accept that it was HIS decision to leave. No one DROVE him away… he left.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 11:10 PM | Link to this
If Burnett and/or Peavy and/or Smoltz spend time on the DL in 2009, Wren will look like a genius. Unless he signs Andruw!
By Fat Andy
January 14, 2009 11:12 PM | Link to this
*I like this name so well, I may just keep it! After all, I’m tired of using James Whitworth of Chatworth Ca. as my screen name. I might take the gamble of not using my real name anymore even though I know it might raise the hackles of some here who need that real name so they can paint a mental picture of who I am when we interact with each other 8 times a day for the rest of our lives.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 11:12 PM | Link to this
Bravo Man
Saw that article earlier today. Notice that ole Buster didn’t mention about how the Cubs pulled out
Olney’s a stooge. Kind of like the Terrence Moore of Espn. Besides, if you’re not a NY or North East team, you’re scum
Wren was right about pulling out when he did. Peavy isn’t worth all that talent we would have to give up.
By Chuck Woolery
January 14, 2009 11:13 PM | Link to this
In 2006, Craig Wilson had a guaranteed contract; yet, he was cut by the Braves before Memorial Day.
I do not see Andruw hanging around, just because Bobby loves him.
Partly because, I think that Wren values his own career too much to let Bobby, in perhaps his last year, foul up the team with a slumping Andruw Jones night after night.
Wren may sign him, and Bobby may want to play him every day; but, if he struggles, look for Wren to cut the cord - quickly.
By Hytest
January 14, 2009 11:14 PM | Link to this
Instead of Smoltz why not find Avery hes about 38 now and his shoulder should be rested by now.or maybe David Neid he was a can’t miss or why not//////
By Hytest
January 14, 2009 11:14 PM | Link to this
Instead of Smoltz why not find Avery hes about 38 now and his shoulder should be rested by now.or maybe David Neid he was a can’t miss or why not//////
By Kyle H
January 14, 2009 11:16 PM | Link to this
Found some interesting stuff on Vazquez. This a scouting report from fox sports: Vazquez has a repertoire that consists of a fastball, slider, changeup and curveball. His fastball can reach 94 MPH, but he has a proclivity to overthrow, negatively affecting his command. A deceptive changeup thrown with outstanding arm action all but neutralizes any lefthanded advantage and many scouts believe it to be his most effective pitch. His curveball is a quality third pitch, but problems with mechanics frequently leave Vazquez hanging it on the inner third. In light of early career overuse, it is imperative that Vazquez find an efficient, repeatable delivery.
And this is interesting on his defense: Vazquez adroitly patrols the vicinity where he works. Nimble to the ball, he makes plays other pitchers would not. When it comes to stopping the running game, there are few righthanders who do it any better. His three pickoffs were more than the two stolen bases he gave up all season. When Torii Hunter stole second off him on August 17, it broke a streak of 239 innings and 34 games without giving up a stolen base. Just an interesting fact.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 11:24 PM | Link to this
Fat Andy,
I’m glad you like your new screen name, dude. We are ALL happy that you are happy,er, okay.
By BravoMan
January 14, 2009 11:24 PM | Link to this
Dixie Dog, Yeah good point on the Cubs too. I swear Atlanta is always being put down. I mean like New York, they paid Burnett alot of money for a long time and I didn’t hear many questioning that move. He’s a way bigger risk than Lowe IMO.
By Sick KC
January 14, 2009 11:29 PM | Link to this
May as well start puking KC ‘cause probably over half of Braves fans think you’re wrong and the Braves screwed up!
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 11:29 PM | Link to this
Kyle
*Let’s hope that our team of coaching professionals can assist JV so that he can reach the potential that is obviously there. Then he can say, “Take that, Ozzie!”
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 11:29 PM | Link to this
Yeah Bravo
Lowe can put away some innings, he’s durable, and dependable….just don’t let him hang out with your wife or girlfriend, LOL
Just kidding. He was a good pickup for us.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 14, 2009 11:30 PM | Link to this
Chuck Woolery,
That’s the glass half full scenario.
Could happen.
How’s the Love Connection going?
By Tomas
January 14, 2009 11:33 PM | Link to this
Random, all i’m saying about Randy is that is just a matter of time before he suffers a serious injury. But beacause he finished strong last year he presents less of a risk than 42 year old Smoltz. Think of it as a walking time bomb.
By Portly Andy
January 14, 2009 11:35 PM | Link to this
Dixie Dawg
I just couldn’t do it. Bored already with the name. Thought I would class it up a little.
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 11:39 PM | Link to this
Sick KC
Speak for yourself friend. My compadre KC is probably one of the only 2-3 guys on this blog that are more positive than me, but some of us think KC is a heckuva lot closer to being right as all the Negative Nellie’s on the board.
KC You know where to send that $5 to, huh?
By KC
January 14, 2009 11:45 PM | Link to this
Sick KC: You’re absolutely right… most people do disagree with me on Smoltz. I’m well aware of that. Believe me! lol
By Poco Fan
January 14, 2009 11:45 PM | Link to this
With the way this entire offseason has progressed, it appears most of the Braves faithful don’t care much for Mr. Wren. Here’s a thought: (I believe someone touched on this a few blogs ago but didn’t follow through) Throughout the course of this season, whenever you feel the need to use an expletive/deleted word, just substitite the word “Wren” for it. Think of it; the possibilities are endless. Some examples: Wren off, Bull Wren, Kiss my Wren, Son of a Wren, Eat Wren and Die, Bite my Wren, and so on. Some sentence examples from last year’s dismal season could be: “I can’t believe KJ dropped that Wrening pop up!” “The bullpen really Wrenned last year.” “JF had his head up his Wren all year long.” “The starting pitching looked like a Mongolian Cluster Wren.” Of course, if you’re a Wren devotee, you can always substitute the word “Smoltz”. Naturally, these will replace “go Furcal yourself”. Of course, the blog will crash, no one will read this, and my poor attempt at humor will be wasted. Good Night All! Go Braves!
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 11:47 PM | Link to this
Blog instructions for the young.
this is supposed to be bold, but is not today
this is supposed to be italicized, but again, not today
This is just regular print, but today it is not!
(lesson for my junior blogger sitting next to me)
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 11:47 PM | Link to this
Portly Andy
You have to find a handle that just “Feels” right.
I understand where you’re coming from
Wayne,
I’m not a Negative Nellie, thank you very much. Now, I might be a Negative Nick, Negative Norman, and oh hell, maybe even a Negative Nathan, but never, EVER a Negative Nellie.
The sheer thought is just totally absurd
Oh yeah, Wayne, BTW, I’m just kidding with you*
By ZeppelinFan92
January 14, 2009 11:48 PM | Link to this
You know what Wayne, I agree with everything that you say and comment on.
By THE BEAR
January 14, 2009 11:56 PM | Link to this
TRADE FOR SWIWSHER, TRADE FOR SWISHER.
Some of you keep harping on trading for Swisher and you are wanting to give Prado and one or two pitchers from the farm in exchange. I am opposed to trading Prado for Swisher. And if you still think Swisher is still some sort of super player just look at his stats for last year.
Swisher in 2008: games-153 AB-497 HR-24 RBI-69 BA.219 OBP.332 SLG.410
You are all a dither about a player who hit .219 for the year, even less than Francoeur. And his RBI’s were also below Frenchy. What on earth is there about Swisher that would convince you to trade a utility player who hits .300 and can play second, third and first and even a bit of outfield if necessary? The man is dependable and Chipper is going to miss a lot of games in 09. If Prado is in New York who is going to play third? OH you say, Infante can play third. Yes he can but what if it is a time when Chipper is out for two or three weeks. Just who is going to fill the need for the utility infielder then?
Prado is worth a lot more than Swisher is to this team in my opinion. Surely a bat can be found without losing such a valuable bench players.
By Dixie Dawg
January 14, 2009 11:56 PM | Link to this
Wayne’s like the number two man behind *David O’Blog, er, I mean O’Brien.*
By Wayne in Utah
January 14, 2009 11:58 PM | Link to this
ZeppelinFan92
My new friend, you might want to go to the doctor, especially if you agree with everything I say!
Is this my son? That’s not going to get you the Jeep any more often! Suck up!
:-)
By 80 DAYS
January 14, 2009 11:58 PM | Link to this
JUST A LITTLE THOUGHT: The Braves combine age of their the starting rotation 1 thru 4 (five will be up in the air again)this year if everyone was returning from last would be somewhere around 141 yrs of age (not exact but soemthing like that) With their three new pitchers and JJ at 1 thru 4 the comined age is about 122 almost 20 years difference. How can anyone not see the big difference here and say they are still aging….. Of course they’re still ageing, they’re alive aren’t they. but isnt that what Smoltz said that he didnt understand because they we’re still getting older?
OH 80 DAYS TILL OPENING DAY IN PHILLY
By ZeppelinFan92
January 15, 2009 12:04 AM | Link to this
Haha it was worth a shot! haha sorry I don’t mean to cut in on your bloggin
By ZeppelinFan92
January 15, 2009 12:04 AM | Link to this
Haha it was worth a shot! haha sorry I don’t mean to cut in on your bloggin
By KC
January 15, 2009 12:06 AM | Link to this
Wayne In Utah: The check’s in the mail.
The Braves have been talking as though they’ll probably head into spring training without another bat… but personally, I’ll be surprised if that’s the case.
I mean, the Braves are ONE piece away from being very legitimate contenders in the east. If there’s any half-way reasonable opportunity to get something done for a big bat, I have to think the Braves will do it.
The Braves pitching is already now at least as good as the Mets or Phillies. If the Braves add a bat, the offense will then be good enough for the Braves to legitimately compete.
If they add that piece AND get a bounce-back year from Frenchy - or even, dare I say it… from Andruw =) - then the Braves will, in my view, have the edge over the Mets and Phillies.
By The Captain
January 15, 2009 12:07 AM | Link to this
keylargo
Yes, I do know him.
By KC
January 15, 2009 12:08 AM | Link to this
Hey… a couple of people here have mentioned seeing video of Andruw taking BP with Chipper and Mac this winter… is that online anywhere?
By Wayne in Utah
January 15, 2009 12:19 AM | Link to this
KC I posted this a few hours ago. (sorry about the repost for those keeping score)
Whaddya think?
As for what to do with the need for a LF bat. I wouldn’t be surprised if Andruw is offered a minor league contact. If he accepts, bring him into ST. He actually might go elsewhere, if so, OK. Personally, I think he is done.
If perchance, AJ is NOT done, then he can make it interesting in the spring. It seems the Yankees might want to see what shakes out in the early spring to see if they want to trade an outfielder, and which one it might be. I like both Swisher and Nady. Swisher is more flexible on where he can play, but Nady is a better bat.
Also, in the spring, if there are other bats still around on the FA front, I think they will be significantly cheaper than they were a month ago, or today, for that matter.
So, let’s invite the fat boy we all know and love, and see what shakes out with him, Jordan Schafer, Brandon Jones, and our two other fast centerfielders.
If things aren’t working out swimmingly, then we can call Cashen up, or the agents for Edmonds, Griffey, Abreu, or even the Cards to see who might be available.
I also like the kid Joe Mather of the Cards. Maybe Bobby’s Cox can get his way, and we can make a deal for Nelson Cruz in Texas.
By Chuck Woolery
January 15, 2009 12:26 AM | Link to this
With the way this entire offseason has progressed, it appears most of the Braves faithful don’t care much for Mr. Wren. Poco
There is a poll on the AJC Sports Braves Page that would indicate differently.
By keylargo
January 15, 2009 12:36 AM | Link to this
There is an article on AJ at MLB.com saying that something will happen with him Thursday - traded or released. Two teams were supposedly interested enough to trade prospects for him but if not he will be released since they added a pitcher to the roster.
By KC
January 15, 2009 12:44 AM | Link to this
Wayne In Utah: I just sent you an email about Andruw.
Personally, I’d bet money that Andruw is coming back to Atlanta. And while NO ONE will be holding their breath where AJ is concerned… I think he has a chance to come back. I really do.
Let’s keep in mind that Andruw will still be 31 on opening day. He’s not even 32 years of age yet (the age that everyone keeps attributing to him for some reason). And 31 is not old in baseball. Not at all.
Age is not a factor for Andruw. Conditioning IS a factor, as is his mental approach at the plate.
Apparently, he’s lost weight and wants to come into the season much lighter and in baseball shape, rather that bulking up to try and hit everything a mile.
If his pride has been broken some (and it must be by now), he may be willing to finally listen to TP, and just drop the fat part of the bat on the ball, rather than trying to pull everything onto I-75.
And I think coming in on a bare minimum ML contract (which is all he’s get) will actually be good for him. He can clear his head, be free of any pressure, not worry about money (I’m assuming he has a few bucks in a piggy bank somewhere), and just go out and play ball.
In any event, the Braves will risk almost nothing to get him, but if he succeeds, he’ll be a HUGE bargain, and a huge lift to a team that can use another big bat.
They won’t even be risking anyone’s playing time, because if Andruw doesn’t perform well in the spring, he won’t even make the team. But here’s hoping DOES play well, and DOES earn the CF job once again.
Here’s hoping he resurrects his career in ATL!
By keylargo
January 15, 2009 12:47 AM | Link to this
Wayne
I am leery of Swisher because of his .219 average, 109 hits and 135 strikeouts. We’ve had enough of those kind of hitters the last two or three years.
I really hope someone gives up a prospect or even a suspect or PTBNL for AJ so we don’t risk having him come back here.
By KC
January 15, 2009 12:53 AM | Link to this
“May as well start puking KC ‘cause probably over half of Braves fans think you’re wrong and the Braves screwed up!”
Oh and hey… for the record, I think the Braves screwed up too. From a baseball perspective, I think Smoltz was worth the risk, and the Braves should have done whatever was necessary, within reason, to keep him here. His upside is too great to let him leave over an extra few million dollars.
But from a personal perspective… if we’re going to sing a somebody did somebody wrong song… it was Smoltz who snubbed a fair offer from his team of 20 years, and walked away from the fans that have loved, cheered for, and looked up to him for two decades…. the fans who made possible the life he now enjoys.
From a baseball perspective, the Braves were wrong, in my opinion. From a personal perspective, Smoltz was the one who made the most un-cool decision of the winter.
By Wayne in Utah
January 15, 2009 12:56 AM | Link to this
Would you guys be willing to send the Dodgers somebody like Cordier or Hodges for the exclusive rights to sign AJ for a minor league contract? Can you do that, trade for him, and then put him on the minor league roster.
I agree that there is very little to lose to sign AJ. My ONLY worry would be if he shows some flashes of his old self, and Bobby stays with him too long. Probably not, but it is a concern.
The old Andruw (hitting 260-270, w/ 30+ dingers and 100 RBI’s would be just what the doctor ordered.
Oh yeah, not to mention it would be nice to “stick it” to the Dodgers!
By Wayne in Utah
January 15, 2009 1:03 AM | Link to this
key I hear what you are saying, but Swisher’s last year was for Ozzie, and maybe he just didn’t mesh with Ozzie’s abrasive style. Don’t know. Otherwise, he has been a solid performer. Low BA, decent power and OBP before 2008. Not great, but good.
As for AJ, I sure understand your caution. I don’t think the Braves are just going to get him for nothing. Lots of teams that might like to take a flier on him. BUT, he does want to come back to ATL. Again, I am torn.
But hey, he looked different on that channel 5 video a couple days ago. Not skinny like in 1996, but not his normal fat self.
By Wayne in Utah
January 15, 2009 1:06 AM | Link to this
Gotta run tonight. Trying to get back in the saddle tomorrow.
Later…
By keylargo
January 15, 2009 1:09 AM | Link to this
Wayne, if you give a prospect up for AJ, you take on what is left of his contract. No way you can sign him for the minimum and have the Dodgers pick up the rest.
He is just a no win situation IMO. Best case senario, he hits what you said (.260/30/100). He’s a free agent in 2010 and Boras will take him back through it again.
Let that sleeping dog lie. (Sorry KC)
By Robbie T
January 15, 2009 1:10 AM | Link to this
I keep hearing everybody saying the Braves need to sign a power bat in left field.That is something i agree with.I don’t care if they get a free agent or make a trade for that bat.But i also think they need a right fielder.Francouer is a bum.He can’t layoff or hit that outside pitch that he gets every at bat.The opposing pitchers know it and thats gonna be his ticket out of baseball.So we need a hitter to replace him also.Get 2 good power guys in the corner outfield spots and one of the speedy youngsters who can hit leadff in center and this team can contend.We are rid of one of the old high priced injury prone pitchers and the other one is is probaly gone also.We have a good backup catcher and most of the backup players on board already.We need to close the deal to get Wil Ohman and the pitching staff should be ready to go.Take a couple of the young guys and use them in trades.Guys like Morton,Reyes,Brandon Jones Clint Sammons and even Francouer could be packaged in trades for better players.We are just a couple of guys away now so,lets git er done!
By Bobby's Cox
January 15, 2009 1:11 AM | Link to this
Wayne,
glad you’ve been paying attention about Nelson Cruz! I don’t think it will happen but it would be nice…
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 15, 2009 1:20 AM | Link to this
Just wanted to see if this new log in works.
By KC
January 15, 2009 1:20 AM | Link to this
Wayne In Utah: I realize that this is unlikely… but WHAT IF….
What if we get another big bat, Andruw returns, and then both Andruw and Frenchy return to form?
Wow.
Again, I don’t think that’s likely (for us to be so fortunate as to have BOTH of those guys to bounce back in a big way), but it’s fun to think about, isn’t it?!
If we added Nady AND got big rebound seasons from Frenchy and AJ, this could go from one of the lowest-producing outfields, to one of the best.
The baseball gods owe us, don’t they? Maybe we should sacrifice a few Chickens (or Phillies fans).
By keylargo
January 15, 2009 1:26 AM | Link to this
Wayne
If the Braves give a prospect to the Dodgers, they will have to take on his restructured contract and will not be able to treat him as a free agent.
Say AJ has the best year imaginable and goes .260/30/100. He will be a free agent for the 2010 season and Boras will take him through the free agent process all over again and the Braves will be back at square one.
All Boras and Jones want is a stage set up for his comeback and they are off again.
Let Andruw go. Sorry to disagree KC.
By KC
January 15, 2009 1:28 AM | Link to this
To build on the point I made a few minutes ago about Andruw coming in without all the pressure…
I never really gave much thought to the fact that his 07 season was in a walk year, when he was trying to earn that big fat payday Boras promised him. And last year, clearly there was some pressure to establish himself in LA and prove he was worth the money they gave him.
If I remember correctly, Andruw worked out his previous extension (back in 2001, I think it was) before every getting close to free agency. So he was able to clear that from his mind and play ball.
If he can come back with a clear head, and feels like he’s getting a fresh start… that could really help him.
By Bobby's Cox
January 15, 2009 1:34 AM | Link to this
KC,
I think it was miscommunication on both ends. I think the Braves desperately needed a rotation of Lowe, KK, and Vasqez. That didn’t leave much room left for Smoltz, roster-wise or salary-wise. Smoltz should’ve understood the Braves needed innings from their starters. I mean, this was still his team.
However, I’m not so sure it would have been a bad idea if the Braves took Boston’s approach and said “ok, if you can’t come back till June, that’s fine, we want you healthy for the stretch run. At the time, the Braves wanted Smoltz for a season, while Boston wanted him for half.
I said since Smoltz got hurt last year the Braves should “Clemens” Smoltz. That’s what Boston’s doing. Either side could’ve talked it through. When Boston presented the offer to Smoltz, he could’ve come to the Braves like Raffy did with the Dodgers & said, “Look, restructure this thing like Boston’s or make it close. I can’t pitch till June, but we’ll have a good rotation when I do come back, or one helluva bullpen.”
The Braves never knew when Smotlz could come back, as reflected in their offer, and the Braves didn’t really know it was that important to Smoltz to be signed so early. Afterall, it’s not that important to Glavine. Neither side went out of their way.
Had both sides been upfront, I’m sure we could’ve given smoltz more, and still signed Lowe for say, 4 years $55 mil instead of $60? Talking solves everything, and as in the case of most relationships, lack of communication can turn things sour.
Smoltz’s offer is only 1 year, and Smoltz is only 41. I see it as a possibility that he could be back with the Braves next year. Remember, Moyer is what, 46? And, it wouldn’t be a bad idea for Smotlz to come back for the 2nd half of each year until he retires, like Clemens did.
By uga-brave
January 15, 2009 1:37 AM | Link to this
in case it took many of you super genius types to figure it out, smoltz was never one to hide his emotions.
the reason he is regarded so highly among us braves fans is he always brings it.
whether he is pitching, playing golf, gin, or ping pong, the dude always brings it.
never afraid to tell you what he is thinking, right or wrong, but it was his competitive nature that made him a fan favorite.
so why does it suprise anyone that he wants to win the press conference, it is just his nature.
as for wren, he still strikes me as a zipper boot salesman at a florshiem shoe store.
By Bobby's Cox
January 15, 2009 1:49 AM | Link to this
THE BEAR,
nice post at 11:56.
I hope we don’t trade for swisher either. We’d have another godaweful outfield stat: Chipper’s avg will be double of our corner outfielder’s, like it was for most of last year. Nady is the better player anyway and won’t block our OF prospects.
Seriously, Texas’s Cruz would be a perfect fit. I don’t think they’ll trade him after losing Bradley, but, they need pitching and we have Morton and a couple mid-level prospects we don’t need anymore (parr, redmond), and B. Jones/Diaz we could give them as well.
With Cruz, Hamilton, Young, Kinsler, Chris Davis, and a weaker Angels team, I’m thinking Texas has a shot to win the West this year.
By TK
January 15, 2009 1:54 AM | Link to this
My vote for LF is Jermaine Dye. I know he makes around $11 mil. You will not sign Manny or Dunn for that or for two years that JD has on his contract. In 2 years the kids on the farm should be ready. JD plays better defence than Manny or Dunn. I hear JD is a great clubhouse guy. Manny is…..Manny. Not sure about Dunn. Nothing against Dunn. But, I would rather have Griffey Jr than him. I know Jr has had some DL issues. Casey Kotchman has had a lot DL issues also. Yet, the Braves are turning 1st over to him. JD or Jr for LF for me. Not crazy about Swisher or Nady. On AJ…if released. Give him a minor league deal and see if he can make the club. The same way the Braves did with Javy Lopez last spring.
By KC
January 15, 2009 2:23 AM | Link to this
keylargo: Yeah, I too am weary of Swisher. Nady is definitely the perfect fit. But we can’t give up any of our very best young talent for a guy that could be a rental. And that may be exactly what the Yanks will want in return for Nady.
I certainly hope we can swing a deal for Nady. I’ve heard that the Mets want him too, which is one more reason to get him if we can.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 3:45 AM | Link to this
KeyLargo, we told you in this space nearly two weeks ago that Andruw would be released and become a free agent on Jan. 15 if he wasn’t traded by then. Boras told me the news the day that he (Boras) had finished working out the deal with the Dodgers, under which Andruw would defer most of the $21-22 mill still owed him in exchange for his release.
Dodgers would still be on the hook for all the money he’s owed, though they at least get some payroll relief this year so they can fill other needs. That’s how much they wanted to cut ties with him.
Don’t know if Andruw wearing Braves cap at game was just to send a message about how much he wants to come back, but that’s my gut feeling. That said, I won’t be surprised if Braves sign him to a minimal deal.
Should know more later today about their intentions/interest.
By Moby Grape
January 15, 2009 3:51 AM | Link to this
John Smoltz was an icon and in a different era he doesn’t leave for Boston. Those photographs yesterday with the Red Sox 29 never happen. Supes
I guess you missed the fact that of the 8 players in history who played with one team for the first 20 years and then left for another team, half of them were Braves. Wren is simply upholding a long established policy. LOL
By coachrob
January 15, 2009 4:20 AM | Link to this
I am SO TIRED of hearing the Smoltz crap
I loved him as much as anyone, and my heart broke when he left. He’s gone. It’s over, at least for this year. Can we PLEASE quit looking behind and press on to the prize set before us?
I am a die hard BAMA fan. Through thick and thin, gray skies or blue, good decisions or bad. I believe they will win the National Championship every year. I am the same way with my beloved Braves. Come on people, have some love, let’s go.
We have at least TWO major inning eaters. Lowe has been the Opening Day starter for the Dodgers and the BoSox. He CAN be a number one. And how many times have we seen the simple change of atmosphere, especially a Bobby Cox one, do wonders for pitchers. Look for Vazquez to have a career year.
If the staff stays healthy (And we get the bat we need. I like Garrett Anderson I know he’s a lefty, but he’s a star and would SERIOUSLY protect Chipper.), we’re going to win 90 games. I also predict Gonzo to have at LEAST 40 saves. Folks, we haven’t had such a STABLE staff in years. NO PRESEASON INJURY WORRIES (knock on wood).
Support them Braves fans. With all these posters, we have such a passionate fan base. Let’s get geared up to back them up, once again, through thick and thin. Any day the Braves win makes my day that much better. So let’s pray for good days.
By Moby Grape
January 15, 2009 4:41 AM | Link to this
Yes the Braves can. A utility guy like Chone Figgins or Martin Prado is what the Yankees are looking for for Swisher/Nady. It’d be a good trade. The Braves have plenty of guys who can backup Kelly Johnson at second if he needs a day off; like the recently-extended Omar Infante. Reality
sure they can trade him, but after what the Yanks gave up for him you don’t think Prado is all they would want do you?
By BO......
January 15, 2009 5:14 AM | Link to this
HELLO ANDRUW ! NOW SIGN GARRETT ANDERSON… HE HIT 290 AGAINST LEFTIES LAST YEAR. Hes working out every day. could return to all star form. poised for 3000 hits. NOW WERE SOLID AT EVERY POSITION. Unless we could get MANNY for say 4 year 80 mil. like this. 1st year guarntee, each year after 1 mil. buyout if disruptive to team, or lack of effort. HE WILL SELL TICKETS AND WE WIN THE DIVISON. Not sure anderson want give us divison. but MANNY puts you in WORLD SERIES…..
By LivininAL
January 15, 2009 5:16 AM | Link to this
KC-” (I’m assuming he has a few bucks in a piggy bank somewhere), and just go out and play ball.”
I think the Dodgers are feeding Andruw’ piggy bank about 4 million this year and about 18 million more over hte next 6 yrs. So he could play on the cheap.
By BO......
January 15, 2009 5:25 AM | Link to this
I would go Diaz and or Prado for Nandy and a minor leaugh prospect. What about Johnson and Prado for Nady and Cano, maybe we even throw in Stockman or Diaz.
By More Coach BS
January 15, 2009 5:49 AM | Link to this
NO SIR, not even close. Derek Lowe has averaged 13 wins and 12 losses over the last four years.Coach
typical coach bullcrap. who the he11 cares how many wins the guy has? What an unreliable way to judge a pitcher. His ERA+ the last 4 years has been 114,124,118 and 131. Use some stats that actually mean something dumbazz or are you too stupid top know what those figures mean? Arrogant jerk.
By Random
January 15, 2009 6:07 AM | Link to this
uga-brave: “as for wren, he still strikes me as a zipper boot salesman at a florshiem shoe store.”
Al Bundy?
By nolie
January 15, 2009 6:57 AM | Link to this
P.S. Lowe didn’t make my list. in fact, he didn’t even crack the top thirty-five. Coach
Man I can’t believe you said that. Top 35? Wow is all I can say.
By nolie
January 15, 2009 7:03 AM | Link to this
Personally, I think John wanted to be wanted more than the Braves showed him, nothing more. We got out-courted. What a mess of a contract. 18 Wheels
I agree. He has always made impatient, needy comments to the press at contract times. This time the Braves didn’t respond enough. Add that to having a final shot at a playoff and he left. His choice. I can’t blame either side
By nolie
January 15, 2009 7:06 AM | Link to this
Coach, we all see your point about Lowe not being a top 35 pitcher. *Wayne in Utah8
top 35? No we don’t allsee his point Wayne
By Elmer
January 15, 2009 7:06 AM | Link to this
Adam Wainwright, Juan Cruz, Joey Devine, 3 young pitchers the Management shipped out and have nothing to show for it. Keep the young arms!
By Not buying it
January 15, 2009 7:07 AM | Link to this
There is no deal cash-minimal enough to justify buying enough fabric to fit around the torso of Andruw “Tubby” Jones. Let him stay part of the Braves’ past, a past when Bobby became overly patient with and tolerant of players who don’t stay in shape, don’t work on adjustments in their swing and don’t hustle on the basepaths.
By Joe Fan
January 15, 2009 8:21 AM | Link to this
plus Andruw probably has many Braves hats laying around, might have just been handy when he was looking for something to put on his head.
By Shawn B
January 15, 2009 8:29 AM | Link to this
Good grief this new type on here is hard to read through.
By nolie
January 15, 2009 8:31 AM | Link to this
We’ve said for years that as much as we appreciate our fans and we wouldn’t be the same organization without their passion, we try to ignore them in the offseason,” Epstein said. “If we’re playing baseball in October, they’re going to be happy. If you set out to try to please your fans in November, December and January, you’re going to end up wondering what went wrong. LOL. Now there’s a guy who knows how to run a baseball teamn
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By Rosie O'Donut
January 15, 2009 8:33 AM | Link to this
Adam Wainwright, Juan Cruz, Joey Devine, 3 young pitchers the Management shipped out and have nothing to show for it. Keep the young arms!
Devine being the most egregious. Adam Waitwright wasn’t in the majors and without J.D. Drew the Braves never would have made the playoffs in 2004. Juan Cruz? Part of the three-man package for Tim Hudson; an excellent trade for the Braves and probably Billy Beane’s worst trade.
Joey Devine, however, looked to be a stud and Bobby Cox and the Braves just refused to give him a shot. It was shameful the way they jerked him around between the minors and majors in 2007. I still can’t figure out why the Braves wouldn’t just let him pitch. Than the Braves traded him for a few months of .730 OPS Mark Kotsay, a trade which I believe had Cox’s fingerprints all over it.
Now he is slated to be the Oakland A’s closer in 2009 after posting a 0.59 ERA in 45 and 2/3rds innings in 2008. An ERA+ of 685! Guess he could pitch after all, huh Braves?
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 8:36 AM | Link to this
Random, I saw this lastnight from you: “Outs are NOT ‘the most important resource in a baseball game’”
You are correct, sir. This was poorly worded on my part. Runs are definitely the most important resource. Outs are the scarcest important resource. Theoretically, a team can score an infinite number of runs. But a team’s chances to score decrease with every out it makes.
You also said, “The thing you refuse to acknowledge is that OBP & SLG are not the only factors that influence run creation.”
Actually I don’t refuse to acknowledge that. But the truth is those two things are vastly more important than other factors in scoring runs; just check it out for yourself. You can’t argue with the results throughout baseball history.
You hit the nail on the head with the following:
“To a certain extent(ie, with no context), individual RBI totals may be ‘meaningless’.”
“Team RBIs are not meaningless.
“Individual runs scored, to a certain extent(ie, with no context), may also be ‘meaningless’.”
Individual RBI totals tell us more about context than whether a player collecting those RBI is a good hitter. Team RBI match up pretty well with team Runs Scored. A hitter doesn’t have to do much to rack up RBI if he’s constantly in the lineup and runners on on base every time he comes up. A guy could go 0-for-5 and drive in two or three runs and another guy could go 5-for-5 and not drive in or score any runs. The guy that went 5-for-5 was the more talented hitter that day.
By Johnny B
January 15, 2009 8:46 AM | Link to this
Greetings All!
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Braves get Garret Anderson…
He has consistently put up good numbers year after year and while he may not be a prolific home run hitter he is the most solid LF available. Bill James group has him rated as the 5th best defensive outfielder in the game.
A two year deal would be a nice fit, given his age at 35, but I seriously doubt the Braves have the budget for him. I also think he’s a Boras client…
Seems the overall reaction from the sports reporters in other areas is that the Braves made a “panic reaction” and over extended in their offer to Lowe. If the Mets 36 @ 3 offer was the only offer extended other than the Braves that is a significant increase!
Personally, I don’t think the Braves could take a chance on not getting him so they put their top offer out up front. Like all other big money signings only time will tell if it’s a good investment…
By DOB is a robot
January 15, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this
DOB you do such good work on these blogs do you ever sleep? I think you are really a T-1000, can you say “Asta La Vesta”
By BrandonC
January 15, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this
SAY NO TO ANDRUW!!! I don’t want him back, and if Bobby has the option of playing him he’ll play him regardless of how bad he is. Andruw has been coddled his whole career by Bobby and nothing would change if he came back. Not to mention Schafer will be ready by mid-season at the latest and would have nowhere to play. Letting this tub of gew block the the future is not a productive way to let our team grow.
By Hardball19
January 15, 2009 9:12 AM | Link to this
Andruw lives in Atlanta, is working out here in the off season, and played with the Braves for 10 years so him showing up at a Tech game wearing a Braves hat is not a story. Like else someone said, I am sure he has a few laying around…
By Albert Einstein
January 15, 2009 9:16 AM | Link to this
I once famously said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Does that make the people who want Andruw Jones back with the Atlanta Braves insane? Not necessarily. But it does make the people who want him back AND expect different (meaning: better) results insane. Stop living in the land of oz.
By i cant take it anymore
January 15, 2009 9:17 AM | Link to this
Nady would be fine ONLY if we don’t give up too much. Got to keep KJ, I think there is too much potential to trade him unless we get someone who is outstanding. I agree with bobby, we still need one more pitcher to get us “there”, although
I’m just not sure if the finances will allow us to do that. I got to give wren credit…it was sloppy getting there, but he has turned this rotation into something to be proud of. I still haven’t made up my mind about smoltz. it feels like a bad break-up, except this time the girl wasn’t bi-polar and had a drinking problem. yeah… that was a long 14 months
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 9:22 AM | Link to this
Good morning my fellow Braves fans:
I think we all agree we need a power hitter to contend with Mets and Phillies. We just disagree as to which one we need. I say this hitter needs to be righthanded so we don’t have a left handed heavy lineup. My concern is that all a Jerry Manuel or a Charlie Manuel (two Manuels) will do is go and get Feliciano or Scott Eyre to face say an Adam Dunn with runners in scoring position and one out, which another lefthanded hitter Brian McCann on deck (of course there are 1,000 other scenarios you guys can think of, but that’s one that comes to mind). McCann and KJ hit well against lefties.
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this
Hey Rosie O’DOnut. Don’t forget about Charles Thomas
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 9:26 AM | Link to this
I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE:
Let’s see if you’ll wanna keep KJ when he’s in one of his 2 for 35 slumps. Then he’ll go 20 for his next 35. Streaky streaky
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this
Rosie O’Donut, Devine struggled every chance he got in the big leagues with the Braves. He walked more hitters than he struck out in his Atlanta career. No guarantee he would have had the same year with Atlanta that he did with the A’s. They used him to fill a need. Not saying it was a great trade for the Braves but it was reasonable. I think you could only say it was a bad trade in hindsight, which is unfair.
Also, while I think Devine is a good pitcher and will have a solid career, I don’t think he’s likely to post an Eck-like ERA again.
He allowed hitters a .224 batting average on balls in the field of play in 2008. I would bet more batted balls find holes in 2009. In fact, none of the 2009 projections listed for him on fangraphs.com have him under an ERA of 3.01, which is just fine but he’s not going to put up 2008 numbers again.
By Al
January 15, 2009 9:31 AM | Link to this
I would rather spend the money on a reliable pitcher like Lowe when we’ve got it than trade the farm for someone else. Lowe compares favorably to Hammels and Santana in wins, he’s durable and he’s a big game pitcher. He’s also the best the market had left to offer, so I don’t see how Wren could have NOT made that deal.
I do think it was a mistake not to offer Smoltz more, though if for no other reason than this: the Braves are a mid-market team that have periodically aksed their biggest stars to take less money (Andruw in his prime, Chipper, Smoltz). And as a mid-market team, they absolutely need a few elite players to do that in order to be able to hold onto them. Why would anyone in the future agree to do that when they’ve turned around and low-balled Smoltz the way they did? Why should any player pat the Braves’ back when the Braves have shown they won’t repay the favor?
By Judge Smails
January 15, 2009 9:31 AM | Link to this
How bout a Fresca?
I am starting to warm up to a thought of Andruw coming back, but what will the price be? You know if it is low and he rebounds his numbers they will surely skyrocket for next year. Him being in right might reduce his wear and tear keeping him on the field. I would also recommend hiring McCann or Chipper’s dad to get his swing corrected because TP obviously can’t fo it.
By SeaAtl
January 15, 2009 9:31 AM | Link to this
Anybody else find it interesting that Andruw Jones was a the GT-Duke basketball game wearing an Atlanta Braves hat?
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 9:33 AM | Link to this
Hardball19: I’m guessing Andruw was sending a not-so-subtle sign both to the Braves and other teams, that he wants to play for Atlanta. Think about it: Just in case some other team might have been thinking about making a last-minute trade for him before he was released by the Dodgers, maybe he was hoping everyone would hear he was wearing a Braves cap, that it was clear where he wanted to be.
I mean, if the Braves had already worked something out with him, what would he have been wearing a Braves cap for? When’s the last time you saw ANY Braves player wearing a Braves cap to a basketball game, or to the mall, or anywhere else in public that wasn’t a scheduled appearance?
All that said, I’ll again add that I won’t be surprised if the Braves do sign him for a minimal contract.
By 6-4-3
January 15, 2009 9:34 AM | Link to this
I have a question. If the Braves pick up Andruw and wind up paying him, let’s say for argument’s sake one million, does he make an extra million in addition to what the Dodgers will pay him? In other words does Andrew actually increase his salary even while getting released? I know money was deferred, but he’s still going to collect that money no matter what.
If that’s the case it seems wierd that a player would actually increase his salary after having one of the worst seasons in recent memory. Don’t know how this actually works. I want to know if there’s motivation for Andruw to actually play this year, other than to just prove himself.
By SeaAtl
January 15, 2009 9:34 AM | Link to this
Oops - sorry - guess I should have gotten caught up on previous posts before asking about AJ’s Bravos cap. I now see it’s already been a topic of conversation this morning. My bad.
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 9:35 AM | Link to this
Devine had a penchant for giving GW HRs (two stick out in my mind Xavier Nady GS, and Chris Burke in Game 4 of NLDS). I think he’ll come into his own in Oakland. But in his defense I think Bobby Cox and Leo Mazzone rushed him to the majors.
By Jonathon
January 15, 2009 9:35 AM | Link to this
BrandonC,
Andruw (assuming he’s signed, and assuming he can get back to form) doesn’t necessarily have to block Schafer in CF. If Schafer shows he’s ready in Spring Training, then the Braves should shift Andruw to LF. If Andruw can keep his avg around .270 and hit 30-40 bombs, then you have a strong defensive outfielder and the right-handed power bat the Braves were missing last year.
I realize there are a lot of stars that have to align for this to happen, but it’s not impossible. The advantage is that by signing Andruw to a cheap deal, they can cut him if he continues to suck through the spring. If he can’t get his mojo back, the Braves can cut him without wasting a lot of money. The fallback would probably be a platoon with Diaz and one of the kids.
By AdirondackDave
January 15, 2009 9:35 AM | Link to this
Albert E. — Good one. I would still welcome AJ back at a low-ball salary but good one, nevertheless.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 15, 2009 9:44 AM | Link to this
robdawg08 “I like McCann a lot. We just need a bona fide power hitter though.”
“Bona fide” means “genuine; real”. McCann was a genuine and real power hitter last year, don’t you think? 66 extra base hits…
But you’re right, we do need another power hitter. You can’t rely fully on your catcher to be your big bat. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if the Braves got someone who could hit 30+ homers.
On another note:
“That’s hard to fathom after 13 years of MLB domination.”
Robdawg…
…14 years.
By Judge Smails
January 15, 2009 9:45 AM | Link to this
sorry meant left field
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 9:45 AM | Link to this
“Andruw lives in Atlanta, is working out here in the off season, and played with the Braves for 10 years so him showing up at a Tech game wearing a Braves hat is not a story. Like else someone said, I am sure he has a few laying around…”
I don’t know about that. Technically he was still under contract with the Dodgers lastnight, if I’m not mistaken. Don’t know if it’s a “story” but I think it’s pretty obvious where Andruw wants to play.
By Rosie O'Donut
January 15, 2009 9:45 AM | Link to this
“Not saying it was a great trade for the Braves but it was reasonable. I think you could only say it was a bad trade in hindsight, which is unfair.”
The Devine-for-Kotsay trade was pretty much lambasted everywhere, including here, as a bad trade for the Atlanta Braves. I’m sure even Wren knew Devine for Kotsay sucked, but he had to give up something good to make the A’s pay over five million of Kotsay’s 2008 salary.
By AdirondackDave
January 15, 2009 9:46 AM | Link to this
6-4-3 — I think that anything the Braves might pay him would be deducted from what the Dodgers owe him. Could be wrong but I think I remember reading that.
If the Braves sign him I hope it’s with an option year or two.
By TBraveFan
January 15, 2009 9:46 AM | Link to this
For anyone who does not want AJ back —- you obviously have NOT seen him recently. AJ is in absolutely great shape! I may be in the minority but I certainly hope the Braves at least extend an invite to ST for AJ - just as they did Javy last year. Give him a contract with incentives if anyone is so worried about any money being spent on him….
By Scott
January 15, 2009 9:46 AM | Link to this
I say bring Andruw back to COMPETE for the CF job with Anderson and Blanco. We still have to sign a LF with pop, my top choices in order would be Dye, Dunn, Abreu, Anderson. If we get a LF power guy for the 4 or 5 hole and Andruw works out for say the 6 hole or below, who is our leadoff guy? Obviously if Anderson or Blanco beat out AJ then our leadoff man is solved but with AJ and a power hitting LF which is essential, because we can’t count on AJ to be the power we are missing, then who leadsoff? I guess it has to be KJ and if he is leadiing off, he’s bat is useless, that guy is so valuable at the bottom of the order.
My 2 cents!
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 9:50 AM | Link to this
If we can’t get a power hitter, we better hope for a 1991 Braves/2008 Rays-esque turnaround.
By Scott
January 15, 2009 9:54 AM | Link to this
DOB…
What’s up with Dye? According to John Kincade and Harold Reynolds on 680 yesterday, they acted like he is a FA. I know this is not true, so what is up with the whole Dye situation? Is he wanting out of Chicago or are they just trying to dump him in a similar move as the Dodgers and AJ? I can’t see why anyone would not want him on their team!
By Run Heap Run
January 15, 2009 9:56 AM | Link to this
If Frenchy got another chance why not Andruw? If it doesn’t work out the Braves can always bench him like the Dodgers did or release him at the trade deadline or whatever. If he wants to come to ATL cheap I don’t see the harm in taking a look at him in spring training.
By Hardball19
January 15, 2009 9:56 AM | Link to this
Touche’ DOB, I guess that would be similar to Peavy’s “Go Cubs Go!” during the winter meetings. But I agree, it would be sensible to sign Andruw to a minimal contract and see if he can work it out. Andruw was dangerous (in the good way) a couple of years ago and if he can prove to be so again, that would offer the protection that McCann needs (assuming that he bats cleanup again). But this should by no means prevent Wren from still exploring the possibilities still out there for a LF big bat.
By Seth
January 15, 2009 10:01 AM | Link to this
DOB, have you heard about what kind of off-season prep-work Francouer is doing? Is he losing some weight? Are team officials talking about him? Are they optimistic?
I just think a lot of our success could hinge on him.
Also, I read that Andruw looks slimmer now, someone said they were impressed that he looked more fit. Have you heard anything similar?
By Supes
January 15, 2009 10:01 AM | Link to this
Just Remember…John Smoltz… he bled ATL Braves baseball for you biatches for 20 plus years, you’d think that deserves a thank you not some of the comments on this blog!
Lets see how those people will all treat chipper jones if he’s a FA and doesn’t get that contract extension signed…but if how you did Smoltz is any indication…I already know!
By 1957 Braves Fan
January 15, 2009 10:04 AM | Link to this
I would love to see Andruw back in a Braves uniform and given a shot at making the team but I can’t see Frank Wren offering him even a minor league contract.
By 2009 Braves lineup
January 15, 2009 10:05 AM | Link to this
vs. RHP: Johnson Escobar C. Jones McCann Nady Kotchman Jones Francoeur pitcher
vs. LHP: Escobar Johnson C. Jones Nady McCann Francoeur Kotchman A. Jones pitcher
By Judge Smails
January 15, 2009 10:07 AM | Link to this
No matter how good AJ looks if he still swings at pitches thrown in the dugout or high enough to hit DOB in the pressbox what good is he?
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 10:16 AM | Link to this
QUESTION FOR DAVID O’BRIEN:
How close (or far) are the Braves in acquiring this outfield clean up type power hitter (that’s not named Xavier Nady)
By KC
January 15, 2009 10:25 AM | Link to this
Scott said… “I say bring Andruw back to COMPETE for the center field job…”
Exactly right. And I’m sure that’s what will happen. He’ll have to earn it.
By lexbrave
January 15, 2009 10:27 AM | Link to this
i talked about this elsewhere but felt it deserved to be mentioned here too with all of the smoltz being treated unfairly and boston respecting him more talk.
first of all lets get this much clear, boston made john no more of a priority than the braves did. they got their rotation in order, and then went after john as a luxury arm. that much is evident when you tell a guy to slow down and that they dont need you until closer the playoffs. the braves told john (he has admitted as much) that this was their plan as well. they penciled him in and built their rotation, then if he could pitch, they would bring him back.
the only difference is that boston had their rotation set in january and the braves were in the middle of negotiations with two pieces of their rotation when john decided apparently he couldn’t wait any longer to leave. perhaps john felt out of respect the braves should have stopped in the middle of those negotiations and start negotiating with him. perhaps they should have, but i guarantee you this, and john is smart enough to know this, boston would not have handled the situation any differently if they were in the braves shoes, so while he says he has no ill feelings towards the braves, he certainly seems to speak so when he talks as though the braves made the decision not to have him back because they doubted his ability to return.
i have absolutely no problem with john’s decision to leave if that was what he truly desired. But what I can’t understand is why he had to make his decision so abuptly. Perhaps Boston told him they would retract their offer if he waited…but if they wanted him so badly, why would they?
he didn’t deny that wren had told both he and tommy what their plan was and that they would bring both pitchers back if they were able to pitch. so why did he seem so afraid that he would be stuck without a team? and if he was so confident that he would return and be effective, wouldn’t he only get more money if he waited longer and could prove he could pitch? or even waited given the braves the benefit of he doubt to see if they would keep their word?
could it be that john doubts himself? there has to be some reason he felt that waiting to sign a contract would only decrease his chances of getting one? if it truly weren’t about the money, then it had to be about pride or respect he felt that boston showed him. he said that the braves gm didn’t come watch him throw.. well neither did boston’s. it was their assistant that came. maybe the braves assistant gm should have watched him pitch..but why would that be necessary? the braves had their coach and pitching coach watch john.. where were boston’s coach and pitching coach?
is john truly naive enough to believe that boston was treating him with any more respect than the braves were just because boston was ahead of the braves in building their 2009 team and were at a point to start working on their bench and luxury players already?
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 10:27 AM | Link to this
Amen Judge Smails:
I’m afraid he is still vulnerable to swinging at the slider that is 80 feet outside. He always has been. Maybe he worked on that (I doubt it). We can’t stick a hitter like that in the cleanup spot.
By keylargo
January 15, 2009 10:28 AM | Link to this
It keeps being mentioned here how we gave away Joey Devine, but we traded him for a starting center fielder whose salary was paid for mostly by Oakland.
Then Kotsay was traded for a good outfield prospect named Luis Sumoza, who was hitting .300 in the Boston minor league system.
I wish we still had Devine, but he really was traumatized by giving up those two Grand Slams in his first few outings. Who knows what he would have done if he stayed with the Braves.
By TommyP
January 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Link to this
MLB TV broke down Andruw and his problems last night. Made for good television.
If it’s a minimum contract, of course we should sign him. Low risk-high reward situation there that would make for an unreal story if successful. (and Wren needs a human interest story right now)
Work has kept me busy so I’m wondering what Abreu’s demands are rumored to be down to at this point?????
By Mark in Indy
January 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Link to this
6-4-3 — I think that anything the Braves might pay him would be deducted from what the Dodgers owe him. Could be wrong but I think I remember reading that.
When the Dodgers release Andruw Jones he’ll become a free agent. Any contract he signs after that will be added to whatever he gets from the Dodger not subtracted.
By Interested Observer
January 15, 2009 10:32 AM | Link to this
Has the Lowe press conference been scheduled yet?
By Nate
January 15, 2009 10:32 AM | Link to this
I said this earlier and no one seems to understand the point I was trying to make.
The real risk in signing Andruw is that he still sucks, makes the team anyway, and then Bobby gives him way too much playing time regardless of how bad he is.
If the Braves sign Andruw to a minor league contract, the most likely scenario is that be comes to spring training and hits about .240 with a home run or two. Those are mediocre numbers and probably won’t be better than the others competing for the job, but because Bobby loves his veterans Andruw would make the team. Then Bobby would play him three or four times a weeks regardless of how bad his average or power numbers got. I mean can you really trust Bobby not to play Andruw when better options are on the bench or in AAA. After all he played Andruw in 2007 and he played Frenchy in 2008.
I don’t think the comparison of Javy Lopez is exactly accurate. Javy had been out of baseball for over a year, and he was eventually cut because Bobby didn’t have enough faith in his defense. Bobby has almost always had a defensive minded backup catcher and Javy just didn’t fit the bill.
The criteria for outfielders is less rigid, and when healthy Andruw’s defense has never been in question.
By Marc L.
January 15, 2009 10:33 AM | Link to this
Andruw was just on 790 The Zone….what a damn horrible interview.
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 15, 2009 10:34 AM | Link to this
Dear Nolie, must I lead you around by the nose? Am I going to have to post an entire list of pitchers that are preferable to Derek Lowe?
I mean, c’mon, I thought the blog was way more knowledgeable than that.
The first 20 are gimme’s : Johan Santana, Tim Lincecum, CC Sabathia, Brandon Webb, Roy Oswalt, Roy Halladay, Jake Peavy, Cliff Lee, Dan Haren, Cole Hamels, A.J. Burnett, Josh Beckett, John Lackey, Ervin Santana, Edinson Volquez, Carlos Zambrano, Scott Kazmir, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Jon Lester and Tim Hudson.
The next fifteen can be subjective and arguable, but when it comes to pure talent they rank above that of Derek Lowe.
Felix Hernandez, Joe Saunders, Chad Billingsley, James Shields, Justin Verlander, Francisco Liriano, Rich Harden, Eric Bedard, Matt Cain, Adam Wainwright, Zack Greinke, Matt Garza, Jered Weaver, Rickey Nolasco and Jair Jurrjens.
So you see, it really wasn’t that difficult for me to put Derek Lowe way down the food chain when it comes to Major League starting pitchers.
By dgd
January 15, 2009 10:35 AM | Link to this
Hytest—Know you were kidding, but I think David Nied died of an asthma attack some years ago, poor kid…..
By Bill M.
January 15, 2009 10:42 AM | Link to this
Did anyone hear the interview with A. Jones on 790 The Zone? It was a terrible interview. Don’t know whats’s up with him. He sounded like he was stoned.He could have been sick, just don’t know. I think the Braves should pass on him even if it doesn’t cost them alot. He just doesn’t get it.
By Judge Smails
January 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Link to this
Marc - was it bad because of andruw or the people interviewing him.
i think druw should use a bat half the normal size to compact his swing and get him back in the zone
By Random
January 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah: *”Would you guys be willing to send the Dodgers somebody like Cordier or Hodges for the exclusive rights to sign AJ for a minor league contract? Can you do that, trade for him, and then put him on the minor league roster.”
If the Braves acquired Andruw from the Dodgers before they gave him his release, the Braves would have to pick up his current major league contract. What’s that — $22M?*
Don’t think we wanna got there.
After he’s released, the Braves could sign him for a minimal asalary and the Dodgers would pay the difference between that and his current contract.
Allow me to venture onto some thin ice here (I may not know what I’m talking about):
The Braves would want to sign him to a minor league contract, not a major league contract.
A major league contract would put him on their 40-man roster.
More than that, if after ST the Braves wanted to keep him, but assign him to a minor league club, he could refuse the assignment because he has more than 5 years ML service time. Then they’d either have to keep him on the active roster or release him.
It may be a distinction without a difference — surely by the end of ST, the Braves would be able to decide one way or the other whether to keep him up or say a final farewell.
By Steve from OH
January 15, 2009 10:45 AM | Link to this
Coach, here’s a little tidbit from Rob Neyer:
“Among pitchers with at least 500 innings over the past three seasons, Lowe’s got the 10th best ERA+. And since he cleared 500 innings by a lot, it’s not unreasonable to suggest that he’s been one of the nine or 10 best pitchers.”
Not unreasonable to say he’s not a bonafide ace, but he’s a 1B.
By braves70
January 15, 2009 10:47 AM | Link to this
While I hate losing Smoltz, I think the Braves have definitely improved their lot compared to last season. In essence would you trade an injured John Smoltz and and injured Mike Hampton for Derek Lowe, Javier Vasquez, and Kenshin Kawakami? I say definitely. I might even make that trade based on a healthy Smoltz and Hampton. There is still work to be done but I see as as being ahead of last year.
By Roach
January 15, 2009 10:47 AM | Link to this
Coach,
What did you base your list of pitchers that are supposedly better than Derek Lowe??
By ernesto
January 15, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this
dgd, Though Nied’s pitching career had short uneventful life, I think the man himself can still fog a mirror with the best of them.
By SeaAtl
January 15, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this
Anybody read this SI article yet - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/01/14/lowe.bravesrotation/index.html?eref=T1? Interesting and many of us hope he’s wrong, but check out this paragraph:
“If Kotchman can bounce back to his 2007 form after a season interrupted by a trade and a family illness, center field prospect Jordan Schafer can progress quickly at Triple-A and join Hanson in the majors by midseason and/or Jeff Francoeur (.239 BA, 11 HRs) can fix whatever ailed him last year (that last being the least likely), then there’s no reason that the Braves can’t thrust themselves into the wild-card picture. An actual playoff berth still seems like a long shot, though.”
By Buffalo NY Braves Fan
January 15, 2009 10:58 AM | Link to this
Coach,
Please explain to me why you have one year wonders such as Volquez and pitchers who have had maybe 1 decent season out of the last 5 (Lackey, Cliff Lee) on your list ahead of Lowe?
I would even argue against Billingsly and Joe Saunders. Verlander hasn’t had a decent season in the last 2 or 3 years, Matt Garza is a highly touted prospect, but lets see how he does in his 2nd full year in the majors before putting him ahead of someone who is easily a #2 pitcher on most staffs, and a #1 on others.
By cvbraves
January 15, 2009 11:04 AM | Link to this
Slow MLB news day. Most talk this morning on MLB, ESPN, this blog, etc. is that Dodgers will either make a late trade of Andruw or release him.
Let’s discuss.
If Andruw is traded, he has no choice but to accept the trade.
If Andruw is released, my guess is that he is still a Scott Boras’ client and I haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere. Did he and Boras part ways?
If somehow Andruw becomes a free agent, and Braves have an opportunity to sign him…I’d say sign him(if he and Boras aren’t asking too much).
I’d favor a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training. The deal would be he makes the team out of Spring Training and Braves negotiate a little better deal…or he has potential, but not ready for major leagues just yet so he has to agree to go to minors for a bit.
Personally, given the opportunity, I think Andruw will turn things around and will once again become a power-hitting outfielder. He’s only 32 in April.
Nady and Swisher aren’t going anywhere until sometime during Spring Training once the Yankees decide which they want to trade…and the Braves can wait and see how Andruw does, and still trade for one or the other.
John Smoltz was one of the best, no question about that, but at 42 and coming off his fifth or sixth surgery, a really big risk for a team that just went through 2008 with Mike Hampton not pitching until July, Tim Hudson not pitching after July, and getting a total of 4 innings between John and Tom after June 10th.
If Braves can work it out, I say give Andruw a chance.
By 22oz
January 15, 2009 11:06 AM | Link to this
DOB, question for ya: Bill Shanks keeps saying the original offer from the Braves to Smoltz was a minor league deal, and he’s saying he’s read it on your blog as well as Bowmans. I can’t recall reading that anywhere on here. Shanks was the first place i read that, and i keep up with this blog fairly well.
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 11:09 AM | Link to this
Johan Santana, Tim Lincecum, CC Sabathia, Brandon Webb, Roy Oswalt, Roy Halladay, Jake Peavy, Cliff Lee, Dan Haren, Cole Hamels, A.J. Burnett, Josh Beckett, DEREK LOWE.
That’s where he is. You can put Cole Hamels with Lowe also. I’m not high on him. When hitters make adjustments to Hamels, he will get hit because he is a fastball/change up pitcher only. Hamels makes a lot of pitches. Lowe throws a hard sinker, pitches to contact, and should get a lot of ground ball outs (which should keep his pitch counts low). Lowe is Hudson-esque when it comes to the importance of having to keep the ball down and hit the corners.
By BrandonC
January 15, 2009 11:11 AM | Link to this
Andruw’s interview this morning was AWEFUL! If I was Frank Wren and heard that I would want to touch Andruw with a 10 foot pole. He sounded like he had been smoking and drinking all night now. His excuse for showing up to camp fat last year was because he lost some power in his swing. GIVE ME A BREAK!!
On another note, Tommy Hanson was on there this morning as well and he really sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders. He said he’s ready to face major leaguers without any hesitation. He’s also going to be at the autograph fest thing next week, which is a shame because it’s really to expensive for most fans to go. I would really like to meet him. Can’t wait to see him in the spring.
By FaninFaytown
January 15, 2009 11:13 AM | Link to this
After reading that SI article im still honestly perplexed over calling Chipper subpar with the leather. Now I’m not going to pull up all his stats or anything but just from watching him play for well… all of my life I feel like he is a pretty damn good fielding third baseman. He makes the barehanded play as well as anyone. Am I totally wrong?
By BrandonC
January 15, 2009 11:13 AM | Link to this
cvbraves: He said this morning he won’t take a minor league deal, which is a little selfish if you ask me. He doesn’t seem like he’s really learned anything.
By Efrim
January 15, 2009 11:17 AM | Link to this
In my opinion, I think Lowe is a strong #2 starter. I think he is likely to remain that for the next 2-3 seasons. Did the Braves overpay? Yes. But it probably only means that the Braves won’t have as much money to spend in free agency within the next couple years. At least we didn’t trade 2-3 prospects for a pitcher.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 15, 2009 11:18 AM | Link to this
AAAAAAAA!! How did I miss Keylargo’s 9:01 last night?? Sheesh…I feel really bad about this, I can’t tell you…
OK, I’ll respond to it now:
Yeah, I’m not gonna give it any looks anymore. I’m done reading the stuff on Smoltz (no offense to Ms. Rogers and DOB). Just makes me mad, sad, whatever…
I still haven’t seen “Field of Dreams”…Gotta remember that one.
Again, sorry I missed your post last night. I feel like a total dweeb!
By crispy
January 15, 2009 11:22 AM | Link to this
oh yeah i almost forgot. have fun at that fan fest like the debacle it was last year. but then again there were so many people here bashing and stating they would not go back. would liike to see if anything has changed.
By keylargo
January 15, 2009 11:24 AM | Link to this
Lexbrave
Good post about Boston’s intentions with Smoltz. Seems to me the way the contract is structured, that Smoltz is being stockpiled to be available for the playoffs. Sort of like this years Curt Schilling.
By test
January 15, 2009 11:28 AM | Link to this
Hi DOB: When you (or anyone) say signing AJ to a minimal contract, I assume that is a minimum major league contract. And if that’s the case, would that mean that he would be guaranteed a roster spot in 2009 without competition? That concerns me. The one condition on which I would sign AJ is that he must compete in spring training for a roster spot in 2009 to minimize my risk, and I guess that only means a minor league contract. Thus, at worst, AJ would be just like another JLopez.
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 11:31 AM | Link to this
EFRIM: I was disappointed when we couldn’t get Peavy but of course hindsight is 20/20. I’m glad we didn’t give up any of what we were going to give up to get Peavy. We hold on to Hanson and let him come up and pitch. There are a host of others who will be trickling up here in the next two-three years, much in the way like Glavine, Avery, Pete Smith (‘member him) and Smoltz (acquired via trade) did. Lowe will be a strong veteran presence who will be able to anchor a young staff (like Maddux did in 1993). Lowe will be better than Charlie Leibrandt.
Braves did right to hold on to the young prospects.
By Andruw Jones
January 15, 2009 11:32 AM | Link to this
Actually, I did smoke marajuana before my interview on AM 790 this morning. It’s goooooooood stuff.
By Saltywoody
January 15, 2009 11:34 AM | Link to this
If Andruw resigns with the Braves, I say they put a clause in his contract for swinging at crappy pitches. Something to the effect of “every pitch you flail at that’s off the plate by more than 4 inches requires you to forfeit $1000.”
He’ll pay for himself in a week, making him not only a low-risk signing, but a no-risk signing.
And all kidding aside, let’s look at the Braves needs at this point: preferably a right-handed hitting outfielder that can play multiple outfield positions, plays good defense, hits for some power, and is relatively inexpensive.
Ummmm, that’s EXACTLY what Andruw Jones is, assuming he can turn things around some. You don’t sign him expecting .280/45/125. But if you’re paying him $1 million or less and he can bridge the centerfield gap for a year until Schafer’s ready while playing good defense and adding some pop to the lineup? Then, that’s perfect.
He wins because he gets to come back to Atlanta, where he’s comfortable, and try to prove himself again in front of the manager and the fans that he loves. And the Braves win because they wouldn’t want him back for any more than a year anyway, since that would impede the progress of their young kids.
I’d love to see a deal get done.
By Hank Williams Sr.
January 15, 2009 11:40 AM | Link to this
For anyone speculating on trades, please realize that the pieces you use in trades generally equate to the same value (Team A trade pieces=Team B trade pieces). You toss around B Jone’s name, or Morton’s and Jo Jo’s names, because in your mind they aren’t of value. So why would the team take them on, and give you something of more value. If Jo Jo gets traded for someone you feel is of value, that means that the receiving team feels they got something of value. So why, when every team needs starting pitching depth, do you throw around names of MLB ready pitchers like they are of no value expecting something great in return? Please reassess your thought process. Also, Tommy Hanson’s only way of making the team out of spring, is by Morton, Campillo, and Jo Jo allowing it to happen. History has shown time and time again that Bobby likes pitchers with MLB experience out of spring training. Yes, I see the excitement and anticipation, but this happens every single time a new prospect comes along. 99 percent of bloggers believed that Jordan Schafer was going to be the center fielder out of spring training in 09. It’s not going to happen
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 11:43 AM | Link to this
If Andruw resigns with the Braves, I say they put a clause in his contract for swinging at crappy pitches. Something to the effect of “every pitch you flail at that’s off the plate by more than 4 inches requires you to forfeit $1000. - Saltywoody
Well, in that case, you know what Andruw would do: simply strike out looking without swinging. Which is worse, you choose. :-)
By KC
January 15, 2009 11:48 AM | Link to this
I understand your concern, but if Andruw doesn’t drastically pick himself up from last season… he won’t make that team. No way. Defense or no.
If Andruw hits this spring like he hit last year, he’ll be cut before they break camp. If his performance is decent not GREAT, but certainly not bad… he may find himself in something of a Raul Mondesi situation. Mondesi was given the Spring and a month or so of the regular season to prove himself. Mondesi wasn’t *terrible… that is to say, he wasn’t killing the team. But he wasn’t really helping it either, so they let him go.
If Andruw performs just well enough to make the team, but doesn’t pick it up from there, he won’t last.
But, I think there’s a chance that coming back to Atlanta, this time with no big contract playing on his mind, will hit the mental reset button for him. And apparently he has been working hard on his conditioning.
If he’s finally been humbled enough to listen to TP this time around… he may well resurrect his career in ATL. I won’t be holding my breath by any means, but I haven’t quite given up on him yet.
He’s worth a shot on a bare minimum contract.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 11:50 AM | Link to this
DOB, question for ya: Bill Shanks keeps saying the original offer from the Braves to Smoltz was a minor league deal, and he’s saying he’s read it on your blog as well as Bowmans. I can’t recall reading that anywhere on here. Shanks was the first place i read that, and i keep up with this blog fairly well.- 22oz
Not to answer it for DOB, but I’m sure Shanks is wrong somehow (but puzzled how he could be so wrong). Just the terms of the contract as we know today would not be a minor league contract not to mention that even Wren knew what it would mean by offering Smoltz a minor league contract.
By N Nine
January 15, 2009 11:51 AM | Link to this
51,41,26,3 does anyone know what these #’s represent?
Ok you guys need to get on mlb.com and click on AJ 2nd video on main page…It shows the new slim Andruw working out with the Braves
And it shows Chipper pitching!! haha
By N Nine
January 15, 2009 11:53 AM | Link to this
If he’s finally been humbled enough to listen to TP this time around… he may well resurrect his career in ATL. I won’t be holding my breath by any means, but I haven’t quite given up on him yet KC
Really good point KC and I do agree. He’s worth 400k..
By Lew
January 15, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this
Saltywoody-You planning on Andruw not drawing a salary after April?
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this
He’s worth a shot on a bare minimum contract. - KC
KC: On this Andruw issue, I’m with you. I actually would go one step further: only sign him for a minor league contract so that he would have to compete for a roster spot in 2009. Signing him to a minimal contract (I assume you mean major league minimum because I’m sure there is such thing as minor league minimum) would guarantee him a roster spot for 2009, which I don’t like.
By crispy
January 15, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this
so if he is offerred a minimum contract by the braves, what makes you think that other teams wont offer just a little if not alot more?
i can see the yanks wasting at least 3 mil on him just so he can sit on the bench.
it is naive to think that at least 10 other teams wont be competitive in offers, even if it turns out to be a waste of money.
By Lew
January 15, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this
N NIne-Today’s Pick Four?
By Steve McP
January 15, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this
Hank Williams - it is not that JoJo and Morton are sub-par, it is more that they may be surplus - we would be trading them from a strength (pitching depth) to acquire a bat, which may well be an area that the receiving team has depth and needs extra pitching - it is a fair trade as both teams meet their needs rather than a like for like trade.
By Hank Williams Sr.
January 15, 2009 12:00 PM | Link to this
I heard that the Braves offered Smoltz a minor league deal as well, and it wasn’t from Bill Shanks. It’s wasn’t just Bill Shanks saying it. Plus, why would Bill risk his reputation with the Braves and his relationship with them by spreading a lie? From a career perspective it makes no sense.
By mbatl
January 15, 2009 12:01 PM | Link to this
Regarding Smoltz and the Braves, I honestly think that both the Braves and Smoltz got exactly what they wanted.
The Braves did not, IMO, really want to bring Smoltz back. They wanted a solid, reliable rotation. They’ve already got Moylan working his way back sometime into the season. Possibly Hudson. And they need room for Hanson (who I think will start the year at AAA) to slide in.
The only way to accommodate all that, plus Smoltz arriving in June, plus possibly Glavine doing likewise, is to have a bunch of pitchers on the staff who can be traded, waived, benched or sent to the minors (in other words, a very mediocre staff for the first third or half of the year).
Braves didn’t want to go into ‘09 with such a staff. They’re sick of playing the “if he was healthy” game with half their pitching staff.
I think the offer that WAS made was made out of respect. A perfunctory offer that they knew might not be accepted.
As for Smoltz, what he wanted was (1) an ego-stroking, which the Sox have provided; (2) a chance to pitch in big games and to win a WS; and (3) as much money as he could get while achieving 1 and 2.
To paraprhase Chipper, if Smoltz really wanted to be a Brave, he would be. And if the Braves really wanted Smoltz back, they’d have made sure they got him. Neither side was as passionate about it as many fans on this blog, apparently.
That’s okay, by me. Good luck to John, and Go Braves!
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 12:04 PM | Link to this
mlb.com says that Braves are interested in Nick Swisher and was interested before he was traded to the Yankees. I don’t think he would be the answer because he hits for a low average and his HR/RBI don’t compensate for it.
By KC
January 15, 2009 12:05 PM | Link to this
DCbrave: I don’t see how a minimal ML contract would guarantee him a roster spot. He can be released in the spring just like anyone else. Sure, the Braves would still have to pay the half-million, or whatever they’re offering… but they’re under no obligation to carry him out of Orlando if he doesn’t earn the job.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 12:06 PM | Link to this
Oops! I meant I’m NOT sure there is such thing as minor league minimum in my previous post of 11:58.
By Lew
January 15, 2009 12:10 PM | Link to this
I’ve got to go with Crispy on this one. What makes everyone think he won’t get ten offers well in excess of a minimum deal? You don’t think the Nats will give him several mil?
By KC
January 15, 2009 12:10 PM | Link to this
crispy: The Dodgers have apparently been trying to trade Andruw somewhere… anywhere, presumably for ANYTHING they could get in return. And whoever traded for Andruw would likely have paid him very little money this year.
No takers.
I don’t think anyone’s going to give Andruw 3 million. Not even the Yanks. But even if the Yankees, for instance, do throw 3 million at AJ, I don’t think he’ll take it.
At this point, Andruw’s career is on the line. And it seems apparent that he wants to try and get it back on track where he’s most comfortable playing… at the Ted, under Bobby cox.
If the Yanks offer 3 million, and the Braves offer 500k, I think AJ signs with ATL. I think he’s almost desperate to get back here right now.
And again, while I simply can’t bet any money on Andruw, I do think he has a chance to turn it around with a return to ATL.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 12:13 PM | Link to this
so if he is offerred a minimum contract by the braves, what makes you think that other teams wont offer just a little if not alot more? - crispy
crispy: Signing Andruw is totally different from signing Lowe. With Lowe, we need him for all the reasons told and untold, but as to Andruw, it is merely something that we could do in ordert to benefit if he comes to his old form because we don’t really need to sign him. Then who cares if other teams offer him more, let them have him anyway. This is akin to buying those cheep stocks these days: You don’t have to buy them but you think you might be benefiting if the stocks return, but the price, hence risk, has to be minimal.
By GermanBravesFan
January 15, 2009 12:13 PM | Link to this
getnathan - “he (Swisher) hits for low average…” - do you mean he intends to do that?
By Hank Williams Sr
January 15, 2009 12:14 PM | Link to this
Steve McP,
I agree that one may be traded out of that group, but to say that the Braves have a surplus of MLB ready pitching is a little over the top. Parr doesn’t have the stuff to last as a MLB starter, it just won’t happen. Tommy Hanson has yet to step onto a higher than AA mound. I’m not saying he won’t make it, but it’s fair to say that 90% of the people on this blog believe he is the second coming and all the eggs are going in the Tommy H basket. Fortunately for the Braves and Tommy, he’ll get his shot when he’s ready. As it stands, the Braves realistically have 3 options for the 5th spot. Jo Jo, Campillo and Morton
By bRAVES FAN 4EVER
January 15, 2009 12:15 PM | Link to this
I have read,and heard all the complaining about signing Lowe. Take a look at this from a different perspective.
What entails being a number one starter?Look at all the major league teams,and at their No.1 starters. The league average for 98% of all number one starters is 16 wins,for anyone not named Sabbathia,Santana,Halladay,and even maybe Beckett.
Look at Peavy,last year 11-13 albeit on a poor hitting team but what did Lowe have so special till Manny showed up??? Nothing that’s what.
So from a one season standpoint he was better than Peavy!!
Now consider Lowe’s immediate impact,Burnett had an era of over 4 last year,Lowe 3.28. Is A.J. Burnett a no.1,no he benefitted from Roy Halladay’s shadow. If Burnett had taken the Braves offer he would have cost 20 million for over the life of the contract. In essence Lowe has saved the Braves 20 million dollars immediately.
No look at his signing this way,one less error in a game last year,and one clutch hit in another game,and You have a 16 game winner,which ranks right there with league average ace no.1 starters.
Why all the uproar about acquiring a stud that was desperately needed.By the way,Atlanta only overpaid by a million dollars or so if that.
Agreed on A.Jones, give him a shot, low risk high reward. This way the local legend J.Schafer can mature one more season before falling flat on his face.
Agreed on Nady as well,Prado,Bueno,and a low level player might just do it.
The only flaw i see in this picture is this relentless desire to hang on to the past,and consider T.Glavine for anything but a waterboy.
I would have to say that F.Wren has done a pretty good job of protecting the Braves assets,all the while not caving in to ridiculous demands for home grown talent, just to satisfy the multitudes.
If pure basbeall economics don’t make sense to you,then some people will never be satisfied. I really hope some here will get out,enjoy the sunshine,and realize that everything will be OKAY!!
By DAP
January 15, 2009 12:15 PM | Link to this
getnathan i think swisher will rebound from his bad year last year. he is versatile defensively and gets on base at a pretty good rate. his power potential is appealing. i would actually rather have swisher than nady, but he will cost more in 2009, so i dont know if the braves can pay him, and he will also get the yankees more in a trade.
By KC
January 15, 2009 12:19 PM | Link to this
Can we PLEASE get Smoltz’s picture off the front page?!!!!!
Let’s get Lowe’s picture back up there, or Kawakami’s. I don’t care who… let’s just get a picture of a Brave up on the Braves page!!! Anything but Smoltz. Damnit, I wish we could quit living inside the Smotlz soap opera already!
Carroll is a wonderful writer, but I cringed when I heard she had written a story on Smoltz. I knew that would give us another week of Smotz conversation.
He’s gone. He’s a Red Sock now. Whatever happened… it doesn’t matter now. Onward and upward folks.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 12:21 PM | Link to this
I don’t see how a minimal ML contract would guarantee him a roster spot. He can be released in the spring just like anyone else. Sure, the Braves would still have to pay the half-million, or whatever they’re offering. - KC
That’s it! With Andruw, I don’t even want to have to pay him that much money simply because I don’t need to. With that said, I do realize that in this day and age, half a mil is really really nothing to the Braves or any other teams, and I’m sure there would be other teams who would offer him more than the minimum.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 15, 2009 12:22 PM | Link to this
Coach,
A few objections to your “I can find 35 starters better than Lowe without breaking a sweat”:
Cliff Lee — demoted to the minors in 2007.
Rich Harden — dude, are you serious? Missed most of 2006 and 2007 on the DL with a variety of injuries. May fall apart at any time.
A.J. Burnett — oft-injured, only pitches well in contract years. See Harden.
Edinson Volquez — first decent year was 2008; could be great but no track record.
Justin Verlander, 4.84 ERA last year, K/BB ratio dropped significantly in 2008. Could be in decline due to overwork when young.
Eric Bedard — coming off arm troubles. See Harden and Burnett.
Zack Greinke — potential stud. See Volquez.
Jair Jurrjens — at the back end of Lowe’s contract, possibly if not probably. But not in January 2009.
There are others I could mention —Garza may be a one-year wonder; the Twins essentially gave him away because they thought he’d never get his head together and they don’t often misjudge pitching talent.
You don’t like Lowe, fine, for whatever reason. But your argument against him being the top 35 starters in the bigs has some holes.
By Doug
January 15, 2009 12:24 PM | Link to this
I’m all for getting a thumper in LF but we also need some speed. Abreu can hit and still runs well.
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 12:25 PM | Link to this
GERMANBRAVESFAN:
Yes he does it on purpose lol
By Efrim
January 15, 2009 12:27 PM | Link to this
KC
I’m sure Lowe’s picture from the press conference will be put up once that press conference actually happens. Which I think will be tomorrow or Saturday.
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 12:28 PM | Link to this
DAP: I guess that’s why Frank Wren is GM and I’m where I am. But answer me this…is Swisher the kind of hitter that pitchers have to pitch around to get to McCann, or pitch around Chipper to get to him?
Swisher can also play the infield. I forgot about that. More versatile than Francoeur, I mean Nady.
By DAP
January 15, 2009 12:37 PM | Link to this
getnathan is Swisher the kind of hitter that pitchers have to pitch around to get to McCann, or pitch around Chipper to get to him?
well if we had him, i would want him to bat 5th. i know you dont think mac should bat cleanup, but thats what i would do. and to answer the real question you were asking, no, swisher probably would not strike fear into opposing pitchers. but, he can make them pay. besides, i dont think we are going to get a hitter like that at this point.
nice job slipping in the frenchy/nady thing. made me laugh.
By cvbraves
January 15, 2009 12:44 PM | Link to this
Soon, real soon, Andruw thing will be done and we’ll move on one way or another.
Feeling is that included in the Dodger agreement was something to the effect that if they released Andruw, then Boras would shop Andruw around for $5 million or whatever this year to cover the Dodger lost. My quess is the Nats might do that deal.
Could be that it is still up to Boras where Andruw plays and for how much!
Still, I hope the Braves get a chance to at least get him to Spring Training and see what he can do.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 15, 2009 12:47 PM | Link to this
getnathen “is Swisher the kind of hitter that pitchers have to pitch around to get to McCann…?”
Um…no. Why would they pitch around .219 to get to .301?
By flange1
January 15, 2009 12:48 PM | Link to this
Efrim,
I agree with your comments on Lowe and the Braves overpaying for him.
THIS time, the Braves had money to spend, I would rather overpay with money than with prospects…
I think you agree on that!
By Nooooo
January 15, 2009 12:48 PM | Link to this
The Braves are really gonna bring back Captain Spin-N-Grin?
By BigPapaT
January 15, 2009 12:50 PM | Link to this
I think the Braves would’ve kept Andruw, if he wasn’t seeking so much via free agency. Although there are huge question marks concerning his ability, if the Braves could sign him for cheap they should do so. If he plays to his ability and has a resurgence, he can hit 30-40 HRs and 90+ RBI. I believe it is worth the risk. If it doesn’t work out, you don’t lose much.
By KC
January 15, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this
cvbraves: I’ll bet a $20 right now that NO ONE offers Andruw 5 million. But you bring up a good point with the Nats. Hadn’t thought about them.
If there’s one team that might give AJ a few million guaranteed, it’s the Nats.
Still think he’ll be back with the Braves though.
By mbatl
January 15, 2009 12:52 PM | Link to this
Geez, if the Braves have to “outbid” any other team for AJ, forget it. Offer him a minor league contract and maybe a small bump on the major league minimum if he makes the 25-man.
If he’s still so clueless that he’d rather shop his “services” (including most recently a sub-.600 OPS in VWL) to the highest bidder, rather than come ‘home’ to try to get his act together, forget him. Nothing has changed.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 12:56 PM | Link to this
Hi DOB: When you (or anyone) say signing AJ to a minimal contract, I assume that is a minimum major league contract. Test
If you’d read what I’ve written several times, I’ve said I’d offer him a minor league contract, not major league contract. That way you wouldn’t have to take someone off 40-man roster. Because anybody you take off the 40-man right now is most likely going to be claimed on waivers by another team. You aren’t likely to get someone decent through waivers right now, not like you can right before opening day when rosters are set….
He said on that uncomfortable, frighteningly bad interview this morning (bad because of his answers, not the questions, which were good) that he wouldn’t take a minor league deal.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 12:59 PM | Link to this
Mark in Indy: Correct at 10:29, at least that’s how Boras explained it to me a couple of weeks ago when I first wrote about the deal Boras had worked out with Dodgers to release him and make him a free agent if he’s not traded by 15th. They’re deferring all but $5 mill of the $22 mill he was still owed by Dodgers, but Dodgers are going to pay it all in time.
By cabravesfan
January 15, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this
Feeling is that included in the Dodger agreement was something to the effect that if they released Andruw, then Boras would shop Andruw around for $5 million or whatever this year to cover the Dodger lost. My quess is the Nats might do that deal. cvbraves- you do realize Andruw did the dodgers a big favor by defering most of what they still owe him? Regardless of what another team signs him for the dodgers will be on the hook for a lot of money- i believe they owe him around $23 million…and it seems that Andruw has made it quite clear he wants to be in Atlanta. If the team came to him tomorrow (or today for that matter) and offered him a minimum deal i bet he takes it (and I think that would be a good idea- wouldn’t cost much and the potential reward outways the risk)
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this
DAP:
I guess if Swisher can make pitchers pay for pitching around chipper, then I’m all for a deal. Question is, what will we give the Yankees in order to get him. Maybe an old washed up veteran. They take those kind of players lol. (I HATE the Yankees BTW).
Lineup should go as follows (w/swisher) 1) Johnson 2) Escobar 3) Chipper 4) Swisher 5) McCann 6) Frenchy 7) Kotchman 8) Schafer/Blanco/Anderson 9) Pitcher
Would like Anderson to take over leadoff spot so his speed can be utilized. KJ would then move to 8th.
By Dent
January 15, 2009 1:02 PM | Link to this
I still think the Braves need to look for some long term pitching. There are a few guys out there that could be pretty good pickups by acquiring them now. I like Rich Hill from the Cubs and Adam Miller from the Indians. Both have a terrific upside but I think both can be had for much less than in previous years. Hill is out of options I believe and Miller has never really lived up to the promise.
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 1:03 PM | Link to this
I am not sure why most of you want Andruw back given his penchant for striking out in crucial moments.
If you didn’t notice, he lost a step in his final yr in Atlanta. Signs he was breaking down. All those great catches in the past caught up with him.
By mr baseball
January 15, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this
It’s always educational perusing the sagacious scribblings of the esteemed Coach, the all-knowing fount of baseball wisdom. Kind of like listening to Bill O’Reilly pontificating about whatever it is he pontificates about.
Coach really and truly believes that his opinions are indisputable facts. Just like O’Reilly. Cliff Lee has been a first-rate pitcher 2 years out of 5, but he is better than Lowe, who has been a quality pitcher the last 7 seasons. Compare Lowe’s career numbers to Burnett. An easy call. Volquez pitches all of one season, and he’s better than Lowe. Right.
Then to show us how really and truly smart he is, Coach trots out the names of some younger, supposedly more talented types than Lowe to further attempt to denigrate the newest Brave. Define talent, Coachie. A faster fastball? A nastier slider? A more deceptive change-up? A super-sinking sinker?
Jose Capellan has more pitching “talent” than Lowe. Is he better? Coach probably thinks so.
Some famous writer of the distant past pegged Coach pretty well. I forget the first part, but I remember it ending something like, “all sound and fury, signifying nothing.”
Sounds about right.
By dogsbrekky
January 15, 2009 1:08 PM | Link to this
Andruw is either
a) A stoner or alcoholic b) Retarded or c) A very very bad morning person
His interview was a total WOFTAM
He does not seem to have any morals or concerns about how bad he looks to the MLB world..
He says he will NOT take a minor league deal… he does not seem to understand this is his ONLY CHANCE !
PS **Swisher sucks so terribly and is getting worse in the post steroids era, say we give anyone a miss whose numbers deteriorated post mid 2007….
By PBR fan
January 15, 2009 1:12 PM | Link to this
Smoltz = Traitor
Andruw still = fatty lol
By Dayn Perry
January 15, 2009 1:13 PM | Link to this
“You might not have noticed, but the Atlanta Braves have quietly been one of the winter’s most active teams.
New to Atlanta will be Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, Javier Vazquez, Boone Logan, David Ross, and Omar Infante. For his efforts, GM Frank Wren has revamped the rotation, added infield depth, and put another lefty arm in the bullpen mix.
Obviously, the Braves are hoping to get back to the postseason for the first time since 2005, and they’ve spent more than $100 million in the service of doing just that. So where do the once-mighty Braves stand after so much roster turnover?
Last season, the Braves lost 90 games and placed fourth in the NL East. The “good” news is that, according to runs scored and runs allowed their record should’ve been a more respectable 79-83. So they’re not working from quite as low of a baseline as you might think. Now for some key indicators from 2008 ..
Broadly speaking, the Braves’ problem in 2008 was pitching. They didn’t hit for power or play stellar defense, but the rotation and bullpen was mostly to blame for what befell them last season. In the rotation, at least, the Braves are improved.
John Smoltz is in Boston, Mike Hampton is in Houston, Tom Glavine probably won’t return, and Tim Hudson will miss perhaps all of 2009 after undergoing reconstructive elbow surgery. Stepping into the breach, however, are Lowe, Vazquez, and Kawakami.
Lowe has been remarkably effective over the last four seasons, and playing in front the solid infield defense in Atlanta should help the groundball-inducing right-hander. Vazquez, meanwhile, will benefit from getting out of hitter-friendly U.S. Cellular. As well, he’ll be in the non-DH league and pitching against the substantially weaker offenses of the NL. Don’t be surprised if the underrated Vazquez gives Atlanta 200-plus innings with a comfortably sub-4.00 ERA.
The import Kawakami is obviously less of a known quantity than the other additions. He throws a fastball, curve, and cutter — all average or better offerings — and his command indicators in Japan’s Pacific League were tremendous. So long as he adjusts to the slightly larger baseball used in the States, he should work a lot of innings and manage an ERA close to the league average. Then there’s the gifted Jair Jurrjens, who enjoyed a breakout season in 2008, and Jorge Campillo, who posted a respectable 3.91 ERA last year. The ZiPS projection system tabs Jurrjens for a 3.80 ERA in 2009 and Campillo for an ERA of 4.50 — good numbers for guys who no longer need to front the rotation.
The bullpen, though, figures to be a mess. Mike Gonzalez and Buddy Carlyle should be reasonably effective, but the statuses of Rafael Soriano and Peter Moylan, arguably the two best arms in the pen, are uncertain. The remaining Atlanta relievers are roundly uninspiring. Unless Soriano and Moylan come back from injury effectively and soon, the Atlanta pen will likely be even worse than last year. Bettering that relief corps might require some creativity, such as using Charlie Morton, James Parr, or even top pitching prospect Tommy Hanson out of the bullpen.
On offense, contingencies abound. Can Chipper Jones, who’s among the best players in baseball when healthy, stay off the disabled list? Can Jeff Francoeur improve (significantly) upon his awful numbers from 2008? Can Casey Kotchman take the next step offensively? Can Brandon Jones hit enough to be a regular corner outfielder at the highest level? Will Jordan Schafer be ready for a first-half call-up? Certainly, Brian McCann, Kelly Johnson, and Yunel Escobar are tremendous young stars, and Chipper Jones is a future first-ballot Hall of Famer. But if the Braves are to make up the necessary ground in the East, then almost all those questions need to be answered with a “yes.” That’s not likely. The offense will be in the upper half of the NL in runs scored, but for it to be an elite unit the Braves will need to catch some breaks.
Overall, the Braves have bettered the rotation, but it’s probably not going to be enough. Atlanta’s passed the Marlins in the standings, but they’re looking like an 85-win team. That likely won’t be sufficient to overtake the Mets and Phillies. If the offense exceeds expectations and Soriano and Moylan pitch mostly full seasons, the Braves can win the division. But it’ll take a union of lucky breaks.”
By crispy
January 15, 2009 1:14 PM | Link to this
DCBrave:
I was in no way comparing AJ to Lowe or any other FA signing. AJ has sucked the last 2 years and Lowe has not. Just simply saying if Boras is shopping he will still try to get top dollar for AJ, even if it is 3mil, 6mil, 400k, whatever. And knowing he could most likely be gone in 1 year because of kids on the farm or a miracle happens and he gets close to his old numbers at which point his 2010 salary demands will skyrocket, wanting to come back to ATL will get trumped by $$$.
By Saltywoody
January 15, 2009 1:16 PM | Link to this
Here’s the video N Nine was referring to: http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?tags=player_id:116662
Andruw actually does look pretty fit, at least compared to what he used to look like. But, I’m more interested in Chipper throwing off a mound - is he anticipating a move to the bullpen to save his legs or something?
And does anyone know if you can get the AJ interview online anywhere? I’d like to hear that.
By KC
January 15, 2009 1:19 PM | Link to this
Can anyone offer a comprehensive summary (if that’s not an oxymoron) of the Andruw’s interview?
I didn’t hear it, and am curious to know what he said, and why it was so bad.
By Daybed Wagmoe
January 15, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this
For those who weren’t able to listen in, here is the 790 podcast with Tommy Hanson from this morning. Still waiting on the apparently horrid Andruw podcast.
By albert
January 15, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this
DOB:
Any speculation on who might be waived from the 40 man roster to make room for Lowe? Is the delay in his official signing designed to give Wren time to complete a trade to make room for Lowe?
By KC
January 15, 2009 1:25 PM | Link to this
It’s not often that I agree with Dayn Perry, but…
He said… “If the offense exceeds expectations and Soriano and Moylan pitch mostly full seasons, the Braves can win the division.”
I agree.
I disagree with his assessment of the bullpen as a mess. Sure, Soriano and Moylan are far from sure things, but the Braves seem confident that Soriano’s issues have been discovered and fixed. And I feel pretty confident that Moylan will return in May and will be very effective (as Gonzo was after his return last year).
But back to what we agree on…
The offense needs to be better than it is, either by way of a big bounce-back season from Fancoeur, the addition of another bat, or both.
If that happens, and the bullpen is healthy, the Braves can win this division.
By crispy
January 15, 2009 1:26 PM | Link to this
How about this incentive laden contract for AJ:
$400000/base $25000/HR $10000/RBI $ 2000/EB $10000/each BA pt over .250
one would even argue that he could be ok as a 4th OF/platoon or off the bench, but we already have Norton & Ross
By dogsbrekky
January 15, 2009 1:27 PM | Link to this
Dave O’Brien and the boys
**New York teams are in a bit of financial bother (regardless of what you read in the press via NY)
I had a call from my largest backer (I run a mid size trading fund) who NEEDS to pull out ALL of his family loot because of a bad deal with the METS ownership (who blew away $0.5 Billsky with Madoff)..
Mets tickets prices in many cases have more than doubled at Sheety Field from Shea (Goodbye to Hollywood) and they are having MANY MANY fans cancel already prebooked seats… I am told from another NY client also sadly burned by the Madoff Ponzi that the Wilpons new realty projects are really suffering as several banks will not provide necessary leveraged finance..
We may see the Mets be competitive this year and then see a need to salary dump in late 2009 onwards… makes the case that many many FA will be seeing 1/2 price deals very soon (like in the real world)… also why Mets did NOT aggressively puruse Lowe and are trying to low ball Perez (if that is possible)..
The Yanks cannot sell 25-30% of their mega price tickets (I think it is 1000 of 4000) that go for $1000 - $2700 a game, yes those numbers are correct aand have many many elite boxes unsold and several who want to back out.
At this time the funding of “The House of Babe Mark II” requires some real NY City help and another $300-$400M in city issued tax free bonds (NY city patrons such as moi are already forking up for $1 Billion in tax frees so the Yanks can pay TexTosser $180M)…. which means in essence baseball in generl is the loser as we pay for the Yanks to bid the face of all type A free agents which then necessitates ticket prices, beer, hot dogs etc everywhere to be raised (so other teams can compete, if that makes sense).
This is leading to major panic in NY and also is a major reason why Twins ownership and others are now pursuing a salary cap…
With Wall Street jobs gone for good and 100k or more new job losses to come from there in NYC, the city is just starting the death roll that the rest of you nice folks in the real America have already been in for a year or more….
My business is funded by 1/2 Asian and 1/2 American and every USA based family and fund I deal with hasd been burned by Madoff, I suspect the Wilpons have been thoroughly decimated and all my people want AL of their money back to fund losses elsewhere..
We at the Braves may hate it, but ownership by Liberty at this time may actually save our bacon**
By BravoMan
January 15, 2009 1:27 PM | Link to this
So when our we gonna see Lowe in his new uniform? Is he supposed to have his physical today? I don’t get the Andruw interview where he says he doesn’t want a minor league contract. I’m all for taking a chance on this guy but he’s in no postion to make demands.
By keylargo
January 15, 2009 1:29 PM | Link to this
You do realize Andruw did the dodgers a big favor by defering most of what they still owe him? Cabravesfan
I wouldn’t call it “doing the Dodgers a favor” as much as I would call it doing what was necessary to get released from the Dodgers. He simply would not be let go if the Dodgers were going to have to pay the entire $23 million.
Yes, the Dodgers are gambling $5 million that they can get someone to trade something, anything, for him.
By Coach Smith
January 15, 2009 1:34 PM | Link to this
I dont understanding the UNRELENTING ANDRUW HATING and BASHING going on here!!!!!!!!!!
Sure he could be frustrationg BUT in his worst year here HE HIT 20+ HRs and drove in nearly 100 runs and played GOLD GLOVE center field
Why in the world could anybody complain about bringing him back if it cost the minimum?
Don’t try to spin that ANDERSON or BLANCO can even be mentioned in the same breath as AJ
The guy has 10 GGs and nearly 400HRs
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 1:36 PM | Link to this
Swisher is a career .244 hitter. Best year was in 2006, and he barely cleared .250 then.
By BIG AL
January 15, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this
Picking Andruw up again would be a disaster. He was always unteachable - he never did learn to lay off that low outside pitch in how many years? It was only a matter of time before his physical gifts started to slide a bit, and at that point, you have to be able to use your head a little and adjust your approach. Andruw was never capable of doing that.
And AJ Burnett = Kevin Millwood. One or two great seasons surrounded by average ones.
By Patrick
January 15, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this
DOB,
How much pull do you have at the ajc?
Can you get them to change the website and logo back to how they were, the new one sucks!
By dgd
January 15, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this
Ernesto—You’re right. Apologies to David. I’m pretty sure one of the early Rockies’ picks died tragically of an asthma attack. I always thought it was Nied—maybe it was their first draft pick (as opposed to first pick in the expansion draft). Or maybe I dreamed it….
By N8
January 15, 2009 1:43 PM | Link to this
Wow.
Douchebag Dayn Perry, actually hit the nail on the head with that assessment, IMO.
Even with Lowe, Vazquez and Kawakami being added to the weak and overmatched rotation of 2008, I’ve been saying for weeks that predicting what this team will do isn’t gonna be so easy.
I agree with Perry, that if our luck is as good in 2009, as it was BAD in 2008, we could win the division.
If Vazquez gets hammered as often as he did in Chicago, Kawakami fails to make the adjustment, Chipper gets hurt and Francoeur doesn’t rebound, we could be in trouble.
But where his opinion was dead on, was with Soriano and Moylan.
If those two guys are healthy, the 3-headed monster of Moylan, Gonzo and Soriano (make it 4-headed if Ohman comes back), will easily be the best bullpen in the division (though the Mets new-look bullpen should be stellar as well), if not in all of baseball.
But if Soriano and Moylan are NOT healthy, Perry is right. Wren is gonna have to get creative and use a ton of youngsters in the pen, and that could go one of two ways. It could be a blessing, or it could be 2008 all over again.
Either way, one has to figure that the 1-run game differential can’t POSSIBLY be as bad as it was last year, can it?
I’m going with a realistic prediction of 87 wins and we’ll be in the mix for the wild-card.
2010 is when we’ll make our move. I’ve been saying it for weeks (if not months), and am standing by it.
But Wren has done a nice job of piecing together a rotation to bridge us until Hanson and Medlen are teamed up with JJJ to form the core of the future rotations.
By GermanBravesFan
January 15, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this
DOB… not sure if you know, but two of Springsteen’s new songs are playing on www.mySounds.com … Can’t wait for the album - and possible tour even though it is supposed to be a small one. 50-60 dates only…
By Bravedawg
January 15, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this
Coach Smith While I agree that Andruw was a HUGE cog in the wheel of the Braves since ‘96 (and a heck of a lot of fun to watch), he has suffered a steep decline the last two seasons, and that is undeniable. Sure, he knocked in close to 100 runs in ‘07 with us, but with the guys he had in front of him and the rate at which they got on base (Renteria, Chipper, Kelly, Escobar—they all had spectacular years), he should’ve gotten much more than that. And the Gold Glove is one of the most subjective awards in all of professional sports. Rafael Palmeiro got a Gold Glove one year when he played something like 20 games at first base, the rest as a DESIGNATED HITTER.
It’s not Andruw HATING or BASHING on here, it’s stating facts. Sure, he has hit almost 400 HRs…Dale Murphy has too, but do you want to see him back? The guy is on the decline, obviously. The numbers don’t lie. I rooted for him as much as the next guy, but his stubborness to not swing at the down-and-away pitch and general perceived unwillingness to work on his swing with TP are just a few of the reasons why I don’t want to see him back in a Braves uniform UNLESS it’s a minor-league contract at the minimum.
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 1:46 PM | Link to this
Coach Smith, I’m in complete agreement that it may be worth taking a chance on Andruw (if the Braves can get him for somewhere around the minimum salary). But also you are talking as if he’s still the 28-year-old Andruw Jones. I think the odds of returning to the player he was in his late 20s is low (as it is with most players, especially guys with the skill set of Andruw).
By Bravedawg
January 15, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this
Let me clarify before someone says anything (or maybe I’m already too late: when I was saying that the Gold Glove award is completely subjective, I was alluding to Andruw’s ‘07 season. He won the Gold Glove, but if you watched enough Braves games that year (and I figure most of us did) you would know that he clearly was not a Gold Glove caliber CFer anymore. He’s lost more than a step.
By mitchie-san
January 15, 2009 1:49 PM | Link to this
DOB I really like that Kings of Leon song Sex on Fire Good Stuff. I gotta listen to more of their songs, but your music taste had just stepped up another notch in my book.
I saw them years ago (like 6) in a bar in Atlanta (cant remember which one…Smith’s?) They were part of a show that had like 5 bands that night. I remember Marvelous 3 and Rev 7 were there too. Anyway, I remember them being pretty young. Lots of long hair. Kinda looked like hippies. Regardless, they gave a good show, but I had forgotten about them until recently. I might pick up something by them now.
By cabravesfan
January 15, 2009 1:53 PM | Link to this
Keylargo
maybe not a “favor” exactly but the dodgers were desperate to sever ties with Andruw and knew they would not be able to trade him- Andruw could have demanded his entire salary this year (and would have been well within his rights to do so)and the dodgers would have been screwed. They would have, as you pointed out, either been forced to keep him and hope he would be (much) better (or sit $22 million on the bench) OR release him and be forced to pay him $22 million to play with his kids…
By ncscoots
January 15, 2009 1:55 PM | Link to this
Sorry, KC, Dayn Perry is STILL a douchebag.
As is the webmaster at this site for ignoring repeated emails on the font disaster. Guess the “feedback” mailbox empties into a wormhole across the galaxy somewhere.
It’s not as if it’s a hard thing to fix; there’s a formatting tag left unclosed somewhere on the page, after DOB’s song lyrics. Or a bad style sheet, maybe. Something simple, anyway. Take about a minute to fix. So far, though, beyond the technical skill set available.
By BravoMan
January 15, 2009 1:55 PM | Link to this
Any chance on the Braves keeping Mike Gonzalaz or Rafael Soriano after the 09 season? They’re the two best relievers we got and it’d be nice to keep one of them after this year even though they’re both FA.
By BrandonC
January 15, 2009 1:57 PM | Link to this
They said they won’t put the Andruw interview on the website because you can’t understand hardly anything he said.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 2:04 PM | Link to this
The guy has 10 GGs and nearly 400HRs. - Couch Smith
Hi Coach:
I don’t think we can and should use Andruw’s old stats in deciding whether and how to sign him. With a year and a half to find his old self, he failed. It’s hard to find someone in recent history who struggled this long and then all of sudden found himself. Unless all of his struggles were due to injuries, which I have not heard of. It’s hard to find a comeback player of the year whose prior struggles were not due to injuries or special circumstances. In Andruw’s case, he just lost his ability to hit all of sudden for no reasons, sort of like Mark Wohlers’ sudden loss of his pitching ability. If you (or him) don’t know why he lost it, how can you or him find it back? He listened nobody at the beginning and then listened to everybody during his long struggles here and in LA, but none worked.
I don’t think getting overweighted was the reason for his struggle last year anyway, hence I don’t believe losing weight alone is the solution to get him back to his old self.
By Coach Smith
January 15, 2009 2:06 PM | Link to this
Bravedawg and others
When you say “sure he had 20+hrs and nearly 100rbis in his worst season..but he should’ve had more”
remember that those numbers ALONE are nearly more than the WHOLE OUTFIELD FROM LAST YEAR!
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 2:07 PM | Link to this
They said they won’t put the Andruw interview on the website because you can’t understand hardly anything he said. -BrandonC
Who are “They” please?
By Luther
January 15, 2009 2:13 PM | Link to this
I did watch a lot of games in 07 and I thought his defense was better than in 06. Am I remembering this wrong or did he lose a lot of weight going into the contract year of 07? I thought he was heavier and a step slower in 06 and then played somewhat better(in the field obviously) in 07.
I think that if you are considering Andruw you have to weigh(intended) him against reasonable expectations for Schafer. Could you reasonably expect 240 and 15-20 HRs from each of them while playing good defense? Is a season of 240 in Atlanta going to hurt or hinder Schafer in the long run. I would rather not open the season with Blanco or Anderson in cf.
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 2:15 PM | Link to this
“Picking Andruw up again would be a disaster. He was always unteachable.”
I hope the Braves have more “unteachable” players who can post an on-base in the .340s and a slugging in the .480s while playing historically great defense at a key position.
Again, he’s likely not that player any longer but it’s ridiculous to talk about him as if he was barely worth anything as a ballplayer. In fact, you could make a pretty convincing argument that if he retired today, he deserves some Hall of Fame consideration. Think that’s crazy? Well, think Ron Gant or Reggie Sanders’ bat with an Ozzie Smith-type impact on defense.
By nolie
January 15, 2009 2:20 PM | Link to this
Steve Neyer is completely wrong. Coach assures me that there are 35 guys who are better pitchers than Lowe, not just 9-10. That ERA+ don’t mean anything, there are other more important criteria. I wish I was smart like coach so I would know what those criteria are, but I am resigned to my ignorance and you and Rob should be too.I know it’s kinda embarrassing, but we just need to learn to deal with it.n
By Roman Gal
January 15, 2009 2:20 PM | Link to this
Kenny (ATL, GA): Hi John - I wanted to get a second opinion. In Jim’s latest Ask BA column, he ranked the NL’s top 10 prospects and put Logan Morrison in a pretty lofty spot, above Heyward, Fowler, Maybin and Stanton. Do you concur with this assessment?
John Manuel: I don’t in that I am a huge Stanton fan. Morrison is more of a sure bet to hit than the rest of those guys; in terms of upside, Fowler probably checks in last of that group, but he’s also hit in Double-A and is a fine defender. He might turn out to be Devon White with better plate discipline. Devo only hit 20+ homers twice, and I bet Fowler can do that, especially playing in Coors. We each have personal Top 50s at the front of the Handbook (as does my co-editor in chief, Will Lingo), and my NL top 10 was not too similar, because I’m also not as high on Pedro Alvarez as Jim. I went for Tommy Hanson 1 (which is crazy, I know), then Heyward, Bumgarner, Maybin, Alvarez, Stanton, Fowler, Rasmus, followed by Buster Posey and then Alcides Escobar. I like Morrison a lot, he was No. 11 on my NL list.
I can’t wait to see Hanson in Spring Training!
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 2:21 PM | Link to this
I think it’s quite possible that Andruw’s problems were due to injuries that he neglected through the years. Not saying that he will ever post an on-base in the .340s or a slugging in the .480s-.500s again. But I do think it’s possible he could become a useful, perhaps platoon outfielder. In my opinion, he may be worth taking a chance on for the minimum salary but I can certainly understand those who want to stay away from him.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 2:21 PM | Link to this
As is the webmaster at this site for ignoring repeated emails on the font disaster. Guess the “feedback” mailbox empties into a wormhole across the galaxy somewhere. It’s not as if it’s a hard thing to fix … -ncscoots
nscoots: If you, or anybody, care, or bothered by the all italics, as I was, you can start to make it right, as I did in my recent posts, even if the Webmuster doesn’t correct it. For anybody who cares to try, here is how I did it:
If I want any text to be italic, I don’t do anything.
If I want the text to be normal, i.e. no italic no bold, I do what I did before with making text italic, i.e. putting the text intween two single asterisk (one asterisk at each end).
For making text bold, it is the same as before: putting the text in between doulbe asterisks, i.e. two asterisks at each end.
By BrandonC
January 15, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this
DCbrave “they” is refering to the guys who did the interview.
By nolie
January 15, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this
After reading that SI article im still honestly perplexed over calling Chipper subpar with the leather. Now I’m not going to pull up all his stats or anything but just from watching him play for well… all of my life I feel like he is a pretty damn good fielding third baseman. He makes the barehanded play as well as anyone. Am I totally wrong?Faytown
The first time that Chipper was at third he was widely regarded by stats guys as one of the worst fielding third basemen in baseball, and truly he was not good, if likely not quite that bad. he is playing better since his return,, certainly in the middle of the pack at worst, but most of those same evaluators are not gonna change theor opinion all that much.Braves fans are biased a bit of course, but I do think he might be about tenth or so now.anyway thats much of the background for that attitude you readnolie
By getnathan
January 15, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this
Andruw to be cut by LA. Headline on ajc.com
I don’t want Andruw.
By crispy
January 15, 2009 2:34 PM | Link to this
then again Lemke wasnt here for his offense. although his 3 triples in 91 was awesome. bat AJ 8th until he proves otherwise.
By N Nine
January 15, 2009 2:34 PM | Link to this
Chipper’s our new #5 starter pay attention to 1:34!
By NCBravesFan
January 15, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this
KC It will be interesting to see how the bullpen comes together for the Braves this year. So many of these guys are fringe major leaguers to begin with, so it’s hard to know what you have from one season to the next.
I don’t agree with Perry about the bullpen being a “mess” necessarily, but they do have some question marks (Soriano & Moylan chief among them) … plus the mere fact they have to bounce back from being abused much of last year.
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 2:40 PM | Link to this
Steve, nolie and Coach, as I mentioned yesterday or the day before, Lowe was either the Dodgers’ best or second-best pitcher in 2008. The Dodgers won their division in large part because of pitching. Even if you take into account the pitcher-friendliness of Dodger stadium, the Dodgers and Lowe specifically still had great years on the mound. True, the Dodgers weren’t really what we’d call a great team but they were a very good team, a contender. Lowe proved that he can be a number one or two on a contending team…he did it last season.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 2:43 PM | Link to this
Could you reasonably expect 240 and 15-20 HRs from each of them while playing good defense? Is a season of 240 in Atlanta going to hurt or hinder Schafer in the long run. I would rather not open the season with Blanco or Anderson in cf.Luther
I don’t know Luther, could you?
To repeat the stat I wrote a week or two ago in the article where I first wrote that he’d be released or traded by Jan. 15:
Since July 21, 2006, Andruw has hit .209 (208-for-993) with 46 doubles, 46 homers, 137 walks, 262 strikeouts and 149 RBI in 291 games, with a .312 OBP and .401 slugging percentage.
That’s .209 with a .312 OBP and .401 slugging in 291 games. Yes, TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY-ONE GAMES.
By the real Old Gold
January 15, 2009 2:43 PM | Link to this
Frank Wren < Dirty Diapers
By Random
January 15, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this
Interesting article here (if you’ve already made up your mind, or staked out an irreversible position, or otherwise painted yourself into a corner on the issue, just skip it — don’t yell at me, okay?):
How John Smoltz Convinced The Red Sox He Was Worth A Chance, By Rob Bradford, WEEI.com.
Here’s a little taste:
””“I’m standing back there ready to get this warm-up pitch,” [Director of Operations for the Georgia Tech baseball team, Nick] Scherer remembered. “Then, all of a sudden, here comes this 92 mph fastball, low and away, that doesn’t touch my glove. I immediately thought, ‘I better get down now. He’s ready to go.’
““The way it came out of his hand … it shoots out of his hand. The thing I was amazed at was when he was warming up. I’ve seen him pitch a ton of times, but then I saw him warming up throwing the football back and forth and he’s launching it halfway down the field. Then he’s barely throwing the baseball and it’s coming out there at 90 mph.”
“But, much to the surprise of the Red Sox observers, there weren’t just the fastballs. Along came Smoltz’s trademark slider, with the tight, late break, and some changeups and curves, for good measure. This wasn’t what any of the onlookers were expecting.
““He starts mixing in his slider, and I’m like, ‘All right, it has a nice late break and it’s hard,’” Scherer said. “But then he was like, ‘Now I’m going to throw a curveball,’ and he breaks off this 12-to-6 that totally fools me. And then he starts saying we’re going to throw split-fingers, changeups, and a little of this and that. I’m like, ‘Good Lord Smoltzy, you’re ready to pitch, aren’t you?!’””
8-)
By N Nine (º•º)
January 15, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this
McFann, I think Mac’s given some advise on his new diet to Andruw Jones. We’ll feature a new and improved Mac, a slim Andruw, and maybe a not so bulked up Frenchy.
If only wickman and pronto would have listened….
By Andy K.
January 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Link to this
I wish the Dodgers would hurry up today and release Jones already, so we could hurry up and sign him already, so all these conversations could stop already. Jones will be a Brave, so the people who don’t want him to be better start getting over it…already.
By Patrick
January 15, 2009 2:48 PM | Link to this
I agree with lexbrave. The Red Sox had their line-up set and could afford to get a luxury arm to help them during the stretch. The Braves were still missing two top-end starters when Smoltz wanted to make his decision. If Smoltz had waited, he could have been a part of this rotation. However, with playoff hopes in his mind, he chose the Red Sox. The Braves did not need to show him respect because it would be disrespectful to sign him and leave Lowe out there for the Mets. It would be disrespectful to sign Smoltz and let other pitching options go by or have him take the money that we may be able to use to get a player like Dunn to add power to the middle of our line-up.
By TheDunderChief
January 15, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this
That clip of Chipper pitching is hilarious. You know he was hamming it up for the camera too.
What glove was Andruw using? It looks like the one I had when I was 5 years old. Think there’s a ninja turtle painted on the inside of it like my old one did? Cowabunga dude.
By Ricardo
January 15, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this
My opinion of the Lowe deal is this - Did anyone see a recent episode of “The Office” where Michael is told they have a surplus of about $4,200? They have to decide what to spend the money on by the end of the day or they loose the money and it’s gone from the budget in the following year as well. It was a good episode and pretty funny. Ultimately, they settle on a copier (maybe it was the chairs, that’s not the point). I feel like that is what Frank Wren did. He had all of this money and these great plans on how to use it heading into this off season. When things didn’t go the way he planned he was forced to settle on something in order to simply spend the money and not have it “taken back” from corporate.
Lowe, like the copier, is a fall back position that while not sexy is something that most good “offices” have (though not for $60 mil). Maybe it’s an idiotic analogy, I don’t know.
By Tomas
January 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Link to this
Saltywood,
Here’s the AJ interview
By Andy K.
January 15, 2009 2:51 PM | Link to this
Seriously though, DOB, since Jones will be released today, how fast do you see him signing if the Braves offer him a deal?
By Jersey Gil
January 15, 2009 2:53 PM | Link to this
I Get it sick and tired of John Smoltz going to every outlet and talk about his situation with Atlanta, It is enough with the Boston press conference & Yesterday Atlanta Media Conference? Today he was in ESPN 950 in “Terico & Van Pelt again talking about his situation, come on John moved on a go to play golf and expense your 5 million you get it from Boston for not to playing Baseball. And in this Blog have to moved on also, New Era start without him.
On the situation of Andruw, i don’t understand why you don’t give a Glove Gold winner a change next year. If you saw the MLB Network last night they explain in detail why he has the season last year, knee problem, living & playing in different enviromental, it difficult when you going to one place that you been all your life to a new place, new friends. It he is healhty this year and proof himself in ST, he will be the Comeback Player of the Year.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 2:53 PM | Link to this
BravoMan, Lowe supposed to be getting his physical today, press conference likely tomorrow.
By Heath
January 15, 2009 2:59 PM | Link to this
If AJ really wants a Major League contract and would not come back to ATL for a Minor League deal with an invite to ST and lots of incentives, then the Braves should not, under any circumstance, sign him. As previously mentioned, we don’t want to leave another guy unprotected to make room on the 40-man roster for AJ right now. It’s not that AJ can’t become a good player, it’s just that he hasn’t shown that he will be, and it would be bad business for the Braves.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 3:00 PM | Link to this
Random: I see you’ve got the formatting right. Interesting article also.
By ccrider
January 15, 2009 3:00 PM | Link to this
DOB; I just thought I would ask you about your call-in to 680 the Fan with Chuck and Matt on Tuesday. I know you have an arrangement to appear on the station and so you would have to be careful with your comments, but I was laughing at their agenda on the show before you came on. They were reciting every negative thought they could muster about the Braves moves and how they were sure the Braves had failed in their off-season goals and should have just traded Chipper and others to rebuild. You called in and proceeded to explain how they were wrong and they vitually cut you off in mid-sentence. I’m sure it was just “Time Problems”, but it smacked to me of you were contradicting their premise for the show and so they gave you the “BUMS RUSH” DO you have any comments about you can make without endangering your deal with 680 the Fan?
By Efrim
January 15, 2009 3:04 PM | Link to this
“Michael (CT): Best pitching prospect not named David Price? Feliz? Hanson? Bumgarner?”
“Keith Law: (2:49 PM ET ) Feliz.”
I was for the trade at the time. And even looking back on it, I understand that JS took a chance and it backfired, stuff happens. But damn, imagine if we still had the kid? Can’t wait to see him and Tommy Hanson pitch in the bigs.
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Link to this
“Since July 21, 2006, Andruw has hit .209 (208-for-993) with 46 doubles, 46 homers, 137 walks, 262 strikeouts and 149 RBI in 291 games, with a .312 OBP and .401 slugging percentage.”
“That’s .209 with a .312 OBP and .401 slugging in 291 games. Yes, TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY-ONE GAMES.” —DOB
I think the question is was it due to injury/wear and tear or is this his decline.
I think it’s clear Andruw is never going to get back to where he was at age 28 but who knows the root cause of Andruw’s struggles? Health? Contract distractions? Natural decline in skills? The answer is worth millions.
I’m sort of torn on this one; I’m leaning towards hoping the Braves get him for next to nothing. For the minimum salary, if he can put up what some are projecting for him—.320s in OBP and .445-.450 SLG (see fangraphs.com)—he would be worth it. But it’s difficult to know what caused his problems and if he or anyone can fix them.
By sri
January 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Link to this
Hi DOB,
Thanks for the new blog and all the updates. Any tidbits from the meeting Wren had with the players yesterday?
By McPoyle
January 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Link to this
DOB
I was just checking out Buster Olney’s blog (he’s been droppin your name a lot in there lately) and he’s claiming the only reason the Peavy deal didn’t get done was because of the Braves unwillingness to give up Boyer or Locke… is there any truth to this at all? Because that’s a head scratcher, I don’t know how he, Buster, came to that conclusion, but it seems like a small price to pay considering the other Braves players that were being talked about in the trade. Just wondering if you had any opinion on that.
By Hoosier Aaron
January 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Link to this
Concerning AJ - I do not know much about his situation in LA last year - other than injuries.
However, in 2007 with us he played in 154. His batting average was horrible at .222 but he still hit 26 HR and had 94 RBI.
I think if the question was asked - we can get an outfielder who will hit 26 HR and 94 RBI - will you take him? I think everyone would say “Yes”.
When AJ is heathly - he’s….well AJ. He has a career BA under .260 and he strikes out well over 120 times. Defensively maybe he’s lost a step or two - but there are not many that can still track down a ball like AJ.
Until last year - AJ took the field nearly every since day.
I say - give him his old locker and number and let’s move on.
By flange1
January 15, 2009 3:11 PM | Link to this
Tomas,
Thanks for posting the link to the Andruw story!
I was very happy to see AJ looking slim and happy.
Maybe the Braves should take a chance on him…
By N Nine (º•º)
January 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this
Since July 21, 2006, Andruw has hit .209 (208-for-993) DOB
Those are the cold hard facts but I believe you have to throw that out the window.
This is a new start for the guy. Last year he got his contract and went out to golden Corral every other day.
Now he has the needed pressure to step up. The effort to lose weight speaks volume. I think his comfort level in Atlanta along with desire to succeed will do him good.
He did get that knee surgery done and looked good in winter league.
His history earns him another chance. We are giving Frenchy another chance why not andruw???
Throw the stats out the window DAVE….
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 3:13 PM | Link to this
Tomas: Thanks for the link. If that was the bad interview people talked about, I don’t think it is that bad. I thought the interview might have happend right after their hitting/excises and it appeared he was trying to get his breath back. Also happened for McCann with that ” … may may ….”
By Coach (Skip and Pete will be missed)
January 15, 2009 3:16 PM | Link to this
I knew it, there are some smart and intelligent bloggers who could make an argument that Derek Lowe is in the top 15 to 20 pitchers in MLB.
Unfortunately, mr.amateur baseball isn’t one of those bloggers. He just made one more feeble attempt at bringing the rest of us down to his level. Maybe he want’s my autograph or something.
Hey, it’s all subjective. Derek Lowe is a winner. The man will take the ball every fifth day and give our Braves a chance put one in the W column. The only bad thing is, each one of those wins is likely to come at a steep price. I’m estimating about roughly one million per win, if not more.
By McPoyle
January 15, 2009 3:17 PM | Link to this
Efrim, don’t forget about Andrus too. They’re talking about this guy being capable of stealing 70 a season, and the reason they want M. Young to move to 3rd. He’s like 22! Crazy how sick our farm system would be without that deal for Tex.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Link to this
ccrider, I had no problem at all with the line of quesitoning or with the length of time that I was on. I was very busy that day, so from my perspective 5 minutes would’ve been even better than the 10 or so that I was on.
Do you think I’m going to be offended if they have different viewpoints than me? Not at all. I really couldn’t care less. I like those guys over there. No problems dealing with any of them.
By Saltywoody
January 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Link to this
Tomas-
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, that’s not the bad interview everyone was talking about.
The bad one came on 790 AM on the radio, or at least that’s my understanding, and their site hasn’t put it up yet.
Too bad, cuz I’d like to hear it.
But this clip gives an indication of maybe why Andruw would come off sounding stupid in an interview- because he doesn’t really speak english that well.
Mac was kinda cool in that clip, though. He looks good- really trim.
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Link to this
“I think if the question was asked - we can get an outfielder who will hit 26 HR and 94 RBI - will you take him? I think everyone would say ‘Yes’.”
Not everyone, Hoosier Aaron. Homers and RBI can be deceiving. If he’s hitting behind guys like Johnson, Escobar, Chipper and McCann all season, he could drive in 94 runs without doing much…just ask Jeff Francoeur.
By Original Jon
January 15, 2009 3:23 PM | Link to this
Tomas I dont think that was the interview everyone was talking about, cause if so, i didnt hear him mention that he wouldnt take a minor league contract.
By mitchie-san
January 15, 2009 3:24 PM | Link to this
Andruw sounded drunk and/or stoned in the morning?
Did the Gold Club open back up?
By Bring back 25
January 15, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this
L.A. cuts Andruw on Thursday; Braves re-sign Andruw on Friday. Bring the man home. I believe he’s been humbled and he’s ready to give the Braves a big year.
By TheDunderChief
January 15, 2009 3:27 PM | Link to this
DCbrave I don’t think that’s the terrible interview everyone is talking about. The bad one was on the radio this morning on 790 the zone. If anyone has a link to this interview, that’d be great. I didn’t see it on their website.
By mbatl
January 15, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this
N Nine:
He did get that knee surgery done and looked good in winter league
Do you have video of AJ in winter league? Because his statistics were awful, and a couple of scouts who were there said he looked just as awful. Maybe there’s some video of his 3 singles in 24 plate appearances (along with 8 K’s), or maybe some good-looking fly ball outs, that looked good.
Andruw has forgotten how to hit, and there’s nothing (except “hope”) to suggest he’s going to remember. If he signs a F/A contract with some team and is expected to contribute on the major league roster, he’s likely to fail miserably and face the end of his career.
His best bet is to sign with Atlanta on a minor league deal, go to class A if that’s what the Braves suggest, and start from step one.
By BravoMan
January 15, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the Lowe info DOB. McyPoyle, I can help you with your Buster Onley question if I may. ONELY IS A FOOL AND SHOULD BE FIRED!!! Do you really think Wren would end the Peavy talks because of a complication between Boyer and Locke? Heck No! Peavy didn’t want to be traded here. Only team he wanted to go to was the Cubs and they dropped out, so Peavy is a Padre for a while longer. Buster a dbag!
By Not that you care about a Ramdom blogger
January 15, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this
But just say no to Andruw Wren! You alone have the power to stop this, by never offering him any contract at all!
By nolie
January 15, 2009 3:34 PM | Link to this
dear coach It might not have been hard for you to come up with that list since it is pretty damn stupid I’m sure you had no trouble at all. The hard thing would be to find anybody who knows anything at all nabout orofessional baseball who would agree with at least a dozen of those choices. Like double WOW now that I’ve seen your list. LOL,what an imagination you have, I gotta give you that.
By Jim H.
January 15, 2009 3:34 PM | Link to this
Frequent reader and occasional commenter here…..
Do y’all believe that on several other blogs discussing the Andruw situation folks were actually implying that because Andruw’s career took a nosedive around the time the performance enhancing drug testing polices were strengthened that he was a former juicer? Having lifted a few weights in my time myself and being around a few “juicers” (no I’ve never done it….I like for my testicles to NOT shrivel up), I would believe anything before I believed Andruw ever used “roids” (what with his high body fat and everything). I don’t believe quitting steroids has anything to do with flailing at breaking pitches a foot off the plate!
I think his downturn happened because of ….. 1.) the pounding his body has taken from his hard play in the outfield over the years 2.) trying to freakin’ pull every pitch despite what the hitting coach says. 3.) neglecting to work out harder and stay in shape as he has gotten a little older.
I hope that IF he comes back to the Braves, that he has the mental fortitude to refocus and get serious about saving his career.
By ncscoots
January 15, 2009 3:36 PM | Link to this
Not everyone, Hoosier Aaron. Homers and RBI can be deceiving. - Shaun
Not too much deception in home runs, there, good buddy. Over the fence and the scoreboard changes. A non-park-adjusted change of 1, LOL.
By Guilty Party
January 15, 2009 3:38 PM | Link to this
Alright, I confess. I was the one buying Andruw drinks last night at the Cheetah. Just a little creative marketing to try to bring ol’ Andruw back into the fold. The girls said he was in much better shape than when he left town, btw.
That may have had something to do with his performance on the radio this morning. Maybe.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 3:40 PM | Link to this
DCbrave I don’t think that’s the terrible interview everyone is talking about. The bad one was on the radio this morning on 790 the zone. - TheDunderChief
Yeah, also the real bad one mentioned that he would not sign a minor league contract as some pointed out.
By McPoyle
January 15, 2009 3:42 PM | Link to this
BravoMan, like i said, it was a head scratcher. didn’t really seem logical, but i was wondering if there was any truth at all to it, because i’d never heard that scenario before i read that blog from yesterday.
By Shaun
January 15, 2009 3:45 PM | Link to this
“Not too much deception in home runs, there, good buddy.”
ncscoots, right. But 29 homers can’t make up for doing little else.
By LT-A blogger
January 15, 2009 3:47 PM | Link to this
Being a huge believer in karma- I think it’d be the ultimate karma for AJ to come back to the Braves and post a huge year while watching Furcals back give out for the Dodgers.
Also, for those that hate the new blog formatting should install Firefox (aka Mozilla). You’ll see the formatting you like and will even see the page load faster. It has issues running certain apps proprietary apps, but if your just gonna be surfing the web it’s great. [Disclaimer: I do not work for Mozilla]
By Mark C.
January 15, 2009 3:48 PM | Link to this
Ricardo
Michael returned the money to corporate and took the bonus for coming in under budget. He spent his bonus on a fur coat (Andruw Jones) from Burlington Coat Factory.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 15, 2009 3:52 PM | Link to this
Denizens, I would be very surprised if Andruw signs with anyone in the next few days. If indeed the Dodgers spoke with five or six teams about a trade for Andruw, you can bet that Boras will have him audition for all of them.
It’s not as if he should expect to get several million in addition to the $5 million the Dodgers will pay him. But if another team is willing to offer him a major league contract and a spot on the 40-man rosteer and the Braves aren’t, he’ll go to that team. And could you blame him?
By TheDunderChief
January 15, 2009 3:53 PM | Link to this
So for someone who heard the interview this morning. Did Andruw say that he wouldn’t sign a minor league contract (as in he wouldn’t be willing to sign a minor league contract initially and then try to make the team in spring training)?
Or did he say that he wouldn’t be playing in the minor leagues next year (as in start the year for a AAA team).
There’s a big difference between the two, and I know how these details tend to get skewed going through the old grape vine.
By N Nine (º•º)
January 15, 2009 4:00 PM | Link to this
mbatl
not sure where I heard he “looked” good but yes, his stats were below par. The only winter league video I found has him looking physically good! He’s saying Ill work for the Braves for free in some language. Nice hat too!
By Andy K.
January 15, 2009 4:02 PM | Link to this
Guys, all it would take to put Andruw on the 40-Man would be a taking off of a Luis Valdez or Clint Sammons, neither of the two fit into our future plans. Not to mention, someone has to come off the 40-Man tomarrow when Derek Lowe becomes a Brave. DOB, any idea who is coming off when Lowe is announced tomorrow?
By BravesFanInRockies
January 15, 2009 4:06 PM | Link to this
ncscoots,
Dave Kingman hit a lot of homers, too, but still was a pretty bad player. I prefer someone who fills up the scorecard, and not just with HRs and Ks!
By fastasballs
January 15, 2009 4:08 PM | Link to this
If Andruw won’t take a minor league contract then I’d take a pass on him. He’s not worth a major league contract right now. I’m all for giving him a shot when the upside potentially is huge, while the risk is minimal, but to have to trade or release someone to free up a spot on the 40 man roster is too steep a price to pay.
Andruw has done nothing at this point to earn a major league contract, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Nats or Royals offer him one. They are the two most likely destinations for Braves cast offs.
By BravoMan
January 15, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this
McPoyle, Yea I doesn’t make since. My understanding was that Towers wanted the future ace of our ball club Tommy Hanson. It’ll be a cold day in hell when Wren trades him. That’s why Wren cut off the deal. Buster should write about how the Yanks are taken a big risk in signing Burnett to a 5 year deal. With his injury history. But he won’t cuz if your not a New York or Boston team I personally think ESPN doesn’t really care bout small market teams like us. I saw like a ranking of fans per team on a sports site and it was in this order. Yankees, Boston, Cubs, and Braves. But it still seems like Atlanta gets dissed a lot. I don’t know…Wren’s wise for spending money and keeping young talent. Lowe will be a good number 1 for us. he may not be a Santana or Hamels, but he’s got the stuff to lead a pitching staff.
By Tomas
January 15, 2009 4:17 PM | Link to this
DOB, where did you hear the Andruw Jones interview? Saltywood I agree with you, if he sounded stupid it’s just because he doesn’t speak english very well. At least it wasn’t as stupid as Miguel Tejada’s interview when he lied about his age, I guarantee it. Does anyone know which is the official language of Curacao? Is it dutch, spanish, or english?
By ncscoots
January 15, 2009 4:19 PM | Link to this
BFIR, true that, re your 4:06…I was just bustin’ Shaun’s chops. In a context-sensitive, park-adjusted way, of course, LOL.
By rammerjammer
January 15, 2009 4:23 PM | Link to this
The last 40-ish pitcher to have such amazing recuperative powers was Roger Clemens, wasn’t it?
By McFann Ô"
January 15, 2009 4:25 PM | Link to this
N Nine (º•º) (Sorry for the late response.)—
Yeah! Ha…if Andruw slims down and works really hard, he might not be such a bad invite to Spring Training—at a low price, of course. And I’m glad Francoeur’s (hopefully) not gonna be so bulky this year.
Mac looks good…wish he was going to be at—well, you know…
And I see McOwl has stopped by for a visit! McTurtle and I say “Hello!”
By Bravedawg
January 15, 2009 4:31 PM | Link to this
Coach Smith in your 2:06 comment…I’m trying to be polite, but you’re losing me here. When you say this:
“When you say “sure he had 20+hrs and nearly 100rbis in his worst season..but he should’ve had more”
remember that those numbers ALONE are nearly more than the WHOLE OUTFIELD FROM LAST YEAR!”
You are stating a fact, there. Our outfield sucked last year. But off the top of my head, I would assert that any outfielder we had last year had a better season than Andruw. So, yes, if you took his ‘07 numbers and compared them to our ‘08 team, he was better. But too bad we can’t do that. Take his ‘08 numbers (3HR, 14 RBI, .158 BA, .256 OBP, .249 SLG) and compare those to our ‘08 OFers, and you’re losing the battle. Plus, compare his ‘08 salary ($18mill) to the total ‘08 salary of our OFers, and you lose again (I’m too lazy to look up their salaries, but I’m pretty sure that combined, they’re all less than Andruw’s).
Again, I’m all for bringing Andruw back on a minor league contract, paid at the minimum, and giving him a shot. If he shows he’s still got something left, great. If not, we cut him.
Don’t take it personally, Coach Smith, unless you are in fact Andruw Jones. I’m not “bashing” or “hating,” just stating facts. I loved the guy for 10 years. He stunk in ‘07, and stunk out loud in ‘08. Those are facts. It’s gonna be okay, just accept them.
By dogsbrekky
January 15, 2009 4:33 PM | Link to this
Coach re Derek Lowe
*Over the last (I think 9 starts) in 2008 Lowe was lights out at 6-1 with a sub 1 era
I have sourced several of the stat sites which place him anywhere from top 10 starter to a top 20 starter in MLB (this takes into account a range of data)….
He is durable (we need that) He is a ground ball pitcher - excellent He matches up against LH batting very well - NL East ideal
On one stat site (I think Fan graphs which I take with a grain of salt mostly they value his contract at a smidge under $60….
On www.baseballprospectus.com he rated in 2008 as the nos 17 pitcher (ahead of any ATL pitcher). [This stat site includes relievers in the mix].
In 2007 Hudson and Smoltz ranked 9th and 11th FWIW and Lowe at equal 60th.
In 2006 Smoltz was 7th and Lowe 16th….
NOW - given he was $60 for 4 years versus an equivalent for AJ Burned Out at $68 equivalent and CC “CCCCCCannot win in the postseason” at $102 for 4 years equivalent, I think whilst a smidge expensive he should give us a chance to go very deep into games and avoid our 1 run loss hiccup of 2008 which I blame as much on middle relief as I do on starters…
By Bobby's Cox
January 15, 2009 4:34 PM | Link to this
DOB
Any word on how the meeting between Wren and the players went yesterday? Any idea on how many, or who showed up to talk? Was Chipper there?
By The Artist Formerly Known as Too Hot For Teacher
January 15, 2009 4:36 PM | Link to this
To the person asking about Andruw’s language - or the language in his home country - see the following per the CIA World Factbook
Papiamento 65.4% (a Spanish-Portuguese-Dutch-English dialect), English 15.9% (widely spoken), Dutch 7.3% (official), Spanish 6.1%, Creole 1.6%, other 1.9%, unspecified 1.8% (2001 census)
So my best guess is that he grew up speaking a hybrid Spanish-Portugese-Dutch-English language) but he’s been in the US for how long? His English should be good.
I’m all for giving Andruw a shot….if he stinks we’re out 450k and we cut him
By dogsbrekky
January 15, 2009 4:39 PM | Link to this
Whoever passed it on:
Thanks for the tip on using Mozilla Firefox, saved my eyes
Owe you a beer if you are ever up in NY
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Link to this
Bobby’s Cox, I haven’t called anyone about the meeting. Not the kind of thing that players are going to eagerly answer the phone to talk about, given that it was supposed to be private, a good-will gesture and all. Yes, Chipper was planning to go to it, so I’m reasonbly sure he did.
Frankly, I’m trying to take some semblance of time off today (you may have noticed, this beat hasn’t allowed much of the usual time off that we get in December and January), but between a staff meeting this morning, booking hotels for a dozen or so trips this winter, and monitoring the Andruw thing, I’ve ended up at the laptop or in the office most of the day.
And we’re gonna have another story tomorrow when they have the Lowe press conference.
Just gotta back off somewhere, not supposed to be working every day in January, the month before spring training.
By Mark in Indy
January 15, 2009 4:44 PM | Link to this
The thing that really bugged me about the Olney article was that he didn’t even take into consideration Cabrera’s salary as part of the cost. Now, it’s obvious that Cabrera’s salary has dropped, but if they had started negotiations with him, it’s safe to assume that his agent would see what was up and hold the Braves up for at least 8 mil/yr which was similar to what Renteria got. So really the cost to get Peavy would be 22 mil/yr, a drop-off in talent at SS, one of the top-5 centerfield prospects in the minors, and two other prospects …………. clearly the Braves were out of their minds for signing Lowe.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 4:44 PM | Link to this
DunderChief, Andruw was asked if he’d be willing to go to spring training on a minor league contract, and he said no.
By Bobby's Cox
January 15, 2009 4:44 PM | Link to this
Coach,
No offense man, but that list was pretty pointless.
What makes Lowe so attractive to this team is his ability to pitch 200 innings a year, and cut down the number of innings that have made our bullpen taxed and created oft-injured arms.
Innings by starters is what made this team so successful from ‘91-‘05, and gets teams through a long season.
Sure, those pitchers may be better in 1 game, but Lowe is better throughout the season, and even still pitches some big games (see Boston or most games from this past year’s plaoffs).
By Efrim
January 15, 2009 4:44 PM | Link to this
Anyone else seeing this US Airways plane that landed in the Hudson River?
By THE BEAR
January 15, 2009 4:45 PM | Link to this
Does anyone know who is now on the 40 man roster? I can’t find an up to date list.
By BravesFanInRockies
January 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Link to this
What would you think about Jr. Griffey for one year, $3 -4 million, as a platoon partner for Diaz?
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a4c115fda-5789-4c40-b9d7-eb2ef64c61a7&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com
By N Nine (º•º)
January 15, 2009 4:49 PM | Link to this
McFann, Hello! Yep- special visitor is out in middle of the day!
mlb says 27 days til catchers report. Pretty exciting! Our team is almost set.
By brent a.
January 15, 2009 4:49 PM | Link to this
Andy K.
Just curious, say we remove Valdez from the 40-man roster tomorrow. That leaves Clint Sammons from the two you mentioned.
Do you think the Braves really want to risk letting their #3 catcher go, on the off chance that Andruw Jones might return to reasonable form? I question that, in light of the fact that since July 2007, the Braves have traded away two of the top catching prospects in all of baseball.
By dogsbrekky
January 15, 2009 4:49 PM | Link to this
My dog an I were at the Hudson River Park playing frisbee only 1/2 hour or so before the plane went down, awesome effort by the pilot and also for the plane to stay up…
By Chop Chop
January 15, 2009 4:51 PM | Link to this
Per rammerjammer…
“The last 40-ish pitcher to have such amazing recuperative powers was Roger Clemens, wasn’t it?”
That’s an interesting comment for you to make. You know what? Let’s run with that…
Smoltzie’s probably on the juice like the Rocket was. Smoltz cheated throughout his career with the Braves. That’s right. Smoltz, along with being a liar and a traitor, is a cheater.
rammerjammer, would you say that about the man if he were still with the Braves? I doubt it.
By brent a.
January 15, 2009 4:54 PM | Link to this
I’m using Google Chrome, and things look great. The bold works, but I don’t think italics do.
Didn’t know if I’d like Chrome, but I downloaded it on Day 1, and have been hooked ever since.
By THE BEAR
January 15, 2009 4:55 PM | Link to this
Forget that question about the 40 man roster. I see it has been updated although it does not yet include Lowe but it couldn’t until they actually sign him. Someone is going to have to go when they do make it official.
By Efrim
January 15, 2009 4:58 PM | Link to this
Mark in Indy
Good point about Olney’s article. I don’t think I have ever seen so many comments on one of his daily blogs. Really, never. It was a strange way to go about analyzing the deal and the events that led up to it. Who cares if Lowe wasn’t the Braves first choice? They made the right move, in my opinion.
By Couch Tater
January 15, 2009 5:00 PM | Link to this
DOB - Any plans to interview Kawakami before Spring?
By Andy K.
January 15, 2009 5:01 PM | Link to this
Brent a. I was just throwing a possible name out there…other options to choose from (Lerew, Hernandez, Bueno, etc.) But still, yea, I’d risk putting Sammons through waivers for AJ. Because Ross has started in the past, so if God forbid, BMac goes down,then we could bring up a Serrano or a Boscan to back up, or acquire someone. Sammons doesn’t really factor into our plans.**
By used cars
January 15, 2009 5:09 PM | Link to this
I agree with Efrim and others. In the context of everything that has went on, I would rather have Lowe added to the team we have. If we traded for Peavy we would have been doing the same thing we did with Tex, albeit we would have him wrapped up for longer. We would have decimated our system and tied up millions more as well as a second round pick by signing someone like cabrera to play short. At thins point in his career, he’s less a player than Escobar and Yunel should be on the upswing. On the other subject, would you guys consider trading Kelly for Ludwick and a minor league prospect…Besides the usual subjuects, is there any other possibilities for lf. A 1-1 swap for one of Texas young of’s or nelson cruz for someone like redmond..Maybe another run at someone like braun.
By McFann Ô"
January 15, 2009 5:10 PM | Link to this
N Nine (º•º)—
27 days…Wow…it is exciting that it’s almost time for the guys to report…just would be more-so if certain people didn’t have to leave.
dogsbrekky—
Dang. Yeah, gotta give real props to the pilot. That musta been pretty scary!
By KC
January 15, 2009 5:12 PM | Link to this
BravesFanInRockies: Absolutely! At a few million, I think Griffey would be a good signing if we can’t get someone like Nady.
By dogsbrekky
January 15, 2009 5:26 PM | Link to this
McFann - they all got off safely, incredible
maybe 2009 will be a GREAT year afterall, 1st good karma for a while
By Iron Labrum
January 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Link to this
DOB Just gotta back off somewhere, not supposed to be working every day in January, the month before spring training.
…just know that your efforts are much appreciated. It’s always nice to see that that blue name has popped up.
By dgd
January 15, 2009 5:28 PM | Link to this
Ernesto—Did some research and found it was Doug Million, the Rockies’ #1 draft pick in 1994, who died at age 21 of an asthma attack. I’m sure not knowing would have kept you awake at night……
By Voice of Reason
January 15, 2009 5:28 PM | Link to this
Brent A.: I used Chrome for about a month and absolutely loved it. Then my computer started shutting off. Upon restart, Windows would run a disk scan, and one value consistently showed in the scan - Chrome. I stopped using it and the computer hasn’t shut down since. Dunno what happened, it just did. I’m back to Firefox.
By pinkygonzales
January 15, 2009 5:33 PM | Link to this
i hear everybody’s negative comments about AJ and I agree with a lot of them. But the fact remains that we do not have a major-league ready centerfielder in this organization. I like Blanco, but he does not steal enough bases to have as little power as he does. Anderson doesn’t get on base enough. And Schaeffer is not ready. We have money, and $1.5M is not that much to pay to take a chance on somebody. And if, by May, he’s not producing, we designate him for assignment. We give Schaeffer a full training camp and the first month of the year in Triple-A and see where he is. If he seems ready, we bring him up. If not, we play Blanco until he is ready. But the fact remains that WE DO NOT HAVE A CF! I say take a chance on AJ.
By KC
January 15, 2009 5:43 PM | Link to this
DOB: I understand your point about not wanting to give Andruw a ML contract because it would take up a spot on the 40-man roster and expose someone to waivers. But I don’t think the Braves would need to lose any sleep over exposing Buddy Carlyle to waivers.
Andruw’s probably worth the risk on a minimal ML contract.
Can someone share a few more details about Andruw’s interview this morning? I didn’t hear it, and I’m curious. DOB said it was bad (on AJ’s part), but didn’t expound.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 5:45 PM | Link to this
For those who might be wondering, the camp formerly known as Camp Leo, now known as either the Braves’ early pitching camp or Camp Roger, will begin Jan. 30.
By KC
January 15, 2009 5:47 PM | Link to this
By the way, for those who aren’t familiar with it… “Flock” is an incredibly cool web browser. It’s uses the same engine as Firefox, so it operates in exactly the same way, but has some other features that are really nice. Particularly if you use a of web 2.0 services and social media.
By Jeff R
January 15, 2009 5:50 PM | Link to this
All things considered, Lowe was a solid pick up, given the Peavy deal going south. Good for Wren. Now let’s get a slugger. Oh, whither Charlie Morton? Does he start out at AAA Gwinnett?
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 15, 2009 5:52 PM | Link to this
dogsbrekky—
That is incredible!
“maybe 2009 will be a GREAT year afterall, 1st good karma for a while”
Yeah, really…
By Original Jon
January 15, 2009 5:53 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB, isnt that a little earlier than usual, or is that right about time?
By idmo245
January 15, 2009 5:56 PM | Link to this
I question anybody’s,such as Perry’s, knowledge of the Braves who said that Omar Infante is new to the Braves.
By nolie
January 15, 2009 6:28 PM | Link to this
Owners eliminate coin flips, shortened playoff games-SI
Head-to-head records will replace coin flips in determining home-field advantage A suspended playoff game will be resumed and finished at the same site The change was made 3 months after Game 5 of the World Series was suspended
PARADISE VALLEY, Ariz. (AP) — All postseason games will be played to their conclusion under a change to the major league rules approved Thursday by baseball owners.
Owners also voted to use head-to-head records to replace coin flips when determining home-field advantage for tiebreaker games in division and wild-card races.
Games would be suspended if they are called, regardless of how many innings have been played or the score at the time. A suspended game is resumed and played to completion at the same site.
The change also applies to tiebreaker games but not to the All-Star game.
Owners approved the change three months after Game 5 of the World Series was suspended with Philadelphia and Tampa Bay tied 2-2 after 51/2 innings. That night, commissioner Bud Selig declared that the game would not be cut short, no matter how long it took.
Play was resumed two days later, and the Phillies finished off the Rays 4-3 in the final three innings.
“I’m delighted,” Selig said. “Given my experience there before Game 5 in Philadelphia, it’s important to have the rule clarified. The rule is now clarified the way I had interpreted it anyway.”
By Will
January 15, 2009 6:32 PM | Link to this
Off topic, but I would love to see a breakdown of how much $$$ the Braves paid John Smoltz during periods of injury throughout his career. Hearing Tom Glavine on 680 this morning saying Smoltz deserved better just makes me sick.
At first, I was angry at Frank Wren when I heard Smoltz was leaving, but then when I heard Smoltz might be out 6 months and that the Braves actually gave him the chance to earn more than he can in Boston - provided he perform on the field - then all I could think to say is, “What more did the organization REALLY owe John Smoltz?” $14 million last year? How many more millions has he collected from the Braves while on the disabled list? Sure, that’s all part of the business risk, but it was disappointing to see what it really came down to for Smoltz after looking up to him for so many years in this city. How much money has he earned in his career?
Was $3 million dollars really worth ruining the back of his baseball cards that will be around forever? There are some things you would rather not know about people. I thought Smoltz might be different than Glavine, and had he kept his secret for another year we would have never known any different.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 6:36 PM | Link to this
isnt that a little earlier than usual, or is that right about time? -Original Jon
Last years Camp Roger started Feb. 1. So it’s right there on time.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 6:42 PM | Link to this
Will: I think the consensus on this blog is that people have talked enough about, and are now tired of, the subject of how and why Smoltz left, or using his words “going to another place” or something to that effect.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 6:44 PM | Link to this
The Lowe deal is now official, just announced by Braves. Press conference is 10:30 a.m. Friday.
By Dreseepop
January 15, 2009 6:52 PM | Link to this
Просто восхитительно!
By KC
January 15, 2009 6:56 PM | Link to this
I wonder if anyone will see fit to make a video of tomorrow’s press conference available. I was looking for one from the Kawakami conference, but nothing was every made available.
By Interested Observer
January 15, 2009 7:04 PM | Link to this
Frank Wren will be appearing shortly on Hot Stove that is now airing on MLB network.
By Salty Dawg
January 15, 2009 7:06 PM | Link to this
David O’Brien
For those who might be wondering, the camp formerly known as Camp Leo, now known as either the Braves’ early pitching camp or Camp Roger, will begin Jan. 30.
Any indications that the Braves will alter the conditioning program for pitchers this year? It seems like there were more injuries than normal last season, but I’m too lazy to do the research to see if that is true or not. I think I remember something about the Braves changing some training personnel, but again, too lazy to research it.
By Andy K.
January 15, 2009 7:07 PM | Link to this
DOB, any word on what number Lowe’s new jersey will have on it tomorrow? Because Diaz would have to give him 23…
By Wayne in Utah
January 15, 2009 7:27 PM | Link to this
Dave’s comment a while back….
Just gotta back off somewhere, not supposed to be working every day in January, the month before spring training.
Ever heard the saying, “Don’t worry about the mule, just load the wagon!”
No rest for the weary….
:-)
By Steve from OH
January 15, 2009 7:30 PM | Link to this
The Mets don’t have enough starting pitching, writes Rob Neyer. I agree with him that the Redding signing made little sense.
By AZBravoFan
January 15, 2009 7:34 PM | Link to this
Hey KC Here is the Kawakami press conference
By texmex
January 15, 2009 7:38 PM | Link to this
KC
you can see it @ braves.com
By Wayne in Utah
January 15, 2009 7:39 PM | Link to this
Did I hear right that Andruw Jones is not interested in coming to ST on a minor leagure contract?
If that is the case, so long Andruw…
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 7:39 PM | Link to this
Fort those who might be confused, that Andruw story that’s posted on our website is one I wrote 10 days ago. I’m getting them to chance the date of publication now.
Wren wouldn’t comment early tonight, because Andruw still hadn’t been released by Dodgers. Not supposed to comment on possibly signing a player as a free agent when he’s still the member of another team.
By TexasBrave
January 15, 2009 8:01 PM | Link to this
Bowman said that the Braves would be reluctant to sign AJ to a major league contract because there is no room on the 40-man. They waived Francisley Bueno (and cleared waivers) to make room for Lowe. Bowman makes it sound like the Braves would be reluctant to waive anyone else to take a chance on AJ.
I tend to agree. As much as I like AJ if he is not willing to sign a minor league contract then let him go. Bowman says the Reds and Mets have shown interest in him. If AJ really wants to stay then he should be willing to take what Wren gives, if anything, and be happy to be back in the friendly confines.
Can you imagine if AJ actually signed with the Mets. If AJ thought it was bad with the Dodger fans just wait until he hears it from Met fans.
By KC
January 15, 2009 8:22 PM | Link to this
TexasBrave: “Bowman said that the Braves would be reluctant to sign AJ to a major league contract because there is no room on the 40-man.”
I mean no disrespect to Mark Bowman… but he also said the Braves had only minimal interest in Derek Lowe.
That said… yesterday at this time, I thought Andruw’s return was inevitable, but now I don’t know. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Braves refuse to offer a Major league contract and Andruw goes elsewhere.
Someone mentioned the Nationals, and that wouldn’t surprise me at all. But if Andruw gets any kind of a ML offer… I think he’ll return to Atlanta.
By Tomas
January 15, 2009 8:28 PM | Link to this
I think Wren needs to offer a contract to Andruw Jones. Be it a minor league contract for 400k, and give him a chance to prove himself in spring training(similar to what Marcus Giles is doing with the Phillies). Out of respect Wren needs to offer this contract. If he sucks in spring training cut him, and at least you can say you gave him a chance. I just don’t wan’t to see Andruw with the Mets hitting 34HR’s, that is something I don’t want to see. He wouldn’t go to cincinati even if they offered a million dollars, and he has expressed desire to comeback to the plays where he feels more confortable, and where he succeded for so many years. If Andruw really wants to be an Atlanta Brave, he would take a minor league contract(this morning he said he wouldn’t take a minor league contract on the 790 am radio), and prove to everybody he is not done at age 32. If he doesn’t at least the Braves gave him the chance to comeback.
By **eric in albany**
January 15, 2009 8:33 PM | Link to this
dear Andruw,
Once Your Bat Lacks, We Dont Want You Back!
Love, Us Braves Fans!
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 8:34 PM | Link to this
Just found out that Lowe is one of only three active players with at least 12 years of experience who’s never been on the DL, along with Brad Ausmus and Livan Hernandez.
(Should be pointed out, Glavine was on that list until last season.)
By Tony
January 15, 2009 8:35 PM | Link to this
Jones has finally been released!
http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2009/01/andruw-jones-re.html
By Kevin
January 15, 2009 8:37 PM | Link to this
Well it’s official……
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/dodgers-release.html
Andruw has been released..
How long will it be before he is a Brave?
By Patrick
January 15, 2009 8:39 PM | Link to this
ANDRUW HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN RELEASED!!!
WWW.MLBTRADERUMORS.COM
By TexasBrave
January 15, 2009 8:41 PM | Link to this
KC I hear you on Bowman, but I have to believe that it would be pretty foolish to offer AJ a ML contract. To me he still has not proven he can make it back to where he was before the slide. Losing the weight is a good start but not worth the signing of a ML contract even at league minimum. Remember that Wren doesn’t like to take big risks and in my opinion that is what AJ is with a ML contract.
I guess we will see just how much AJ wants to be here will he take a minor league offer or go to another team offering more.
By Original Jon
January 15, 2009 8:42 PM | Link to this
Its official, Andruw has been released
By Original Jon
January 15, 2009 8:46 PM | Link to this
Only way Andruw is a Brave is if he accepts a minor league deal, and I doubt that will happen because there were already two teams that were thinking about trading for him, so Andruw knows he can get a major league contract. So dont count on Andruw being here unless he is really serious about playing for the Braves.
By Tony
January 15, 2009 8:50 PM | Link to this
Andruw Jones officially released by Dodgers http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/dodgers-officia.html
By Tony
January 15, 2009 8:54 PM | Link to this
they have changed the name on the story now.. it now saids..
“Club unlikely to take a chance on former star center fielder”
“Braves unlikely to bring Andruw back to Atlanta”
www.atlantabraves.com
By **eric in albany**
January 15, 2009 8:57 PM | Link to this
Good Bye Again Andruw!
Please Dont Come Back Here!
By **eric in albany**
January 15, 2009 8:57 PM | Link to this
Good Bye Again Andruw!
Please Dont Come Back Here!
By jed
January 15, 2009 9:17 PM | Link to this
can anyone post a link to this morning’s andruw radio interview ?
By KC
January 15, 2009 9:19 PM | Link to this
TexasBrave: With a payroll of over 100 million, 400k is hardly a risk. It’s nothing. Now, as DOB and a couple others have mentioned, if you give AJ a ML contract, you have to leave someone else off the 40 man roster, who could then be claimed on waivers. However, I don’t think the Braves need to lose any sleep over exposing Buddy Carlyle.
Even on a ML contract… there’s virtually no risk there. I think there is at least a chance that Andruw’s new commitment to conditioning and a fresh start in ATL could - COULD - just maybe get him turned around. I mean, Andruw is only 31 years old. What if he could get back to his pre-2007 form?!
However unlikely, the potential reward is worth the risk, since the risk if virtually non-existent.
By chucky
January 15, 2009 9:21 PM | Link to this
But weren’t those teams that were interested in Andruw trying to rid themselves of bad contracts as well? I know the Mets wanted the Dodgers to take Castillo in return, while the Reds I am not sure who it was for, maybe Encarnancion? They aren’t totally enamored with him . I could be wrong about the Reds player but I do remember they wanted to do a bad contract for contract swap.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 9:23 PM | Link to this
Post this mins ago but got an error message so not rewrote it. If it is duplicated, I apologize.
Just found out that Lowe is one of only three active players with at least 12 years of experience who’s never been on the DL, along with Brad Ausmus and Livan Hernandez. (Should be pointed out, Glavine was on that list until last season.) -David O’Brien
This is another half full half empty thing, subject to an individual’s perspective. Half full people believe that since he’s been that long without being on the DL, he must be tough and should continue to be tough. The half empty people think that exactly because he’s been too long without being on the DL, and he is human, (they don’t want to say it loud but cannot help but wonder) maybe it cannot continue for ever. You just don’t want it happen within the signed 4 years. Personally, I’ll be completely satisfied if he gives me 3 years of full season without being on DL, 2 years not too bad either.
By chucky
January 15, 2009 9:24 PM | Link to this
They could expose Buddy Carlyle and/or Jeff Ridgway, Phil Stockman and others, and not lose any sleep.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 15, 2009 9:34 PM | Link to this
On to music, now:
I purchased a great CD today: “Sounds of Summer: The Very Best of the Beach Boys”.
It’s got 30 songs on it! The sticker says that’s the most songs ever on one CD, but I’m sure one of you guys has one with more.
: >
By cvbraves
January 15, 2009 9:36 PM | Link to this
Andruw, want a chance to be a Brave again and finish your career with Atlanta? A lot of former players don’t get that chance, Andruw.
Here’s your chance! Take one for the team and preserve the 40-man roster, sign a minor league deal, give it your best shot in Spring Training and show the team you’re ready to go. If it doesn’t work out immediately, go the minors, keep working and maybe later in the season or even next year you’ll be ready.
I’m sure it is all quite humbling, Andruw, but if you really want something, you have to work for it…and you’ll win the respect of all the fans who are pulling for you.
There may not be another chance.
By DCbrave
January 15, 2009 9:36 PM | Link to this
However, I don’t think the Braves need to lose any sleep over exposing Buddy Carlyle. -KC
I’ve got to disagree with you there. I hope you were watching him last year. There was a period, not too short of a period, he was one of the best relievers on the pullpen. Some even thought Carlyle might have earned a bit all star consideration although later he faltered a bit (who didn’t anyway). With 62 innings pitched (the third most in the bullpen, fewer than Bennett and Boyer), an ERA of 3.59, a WHIP of 1.24, he’d be gone quick if put on waiver. I think he was one of Bobby’s favoriates especially for long relieving.
By McFann O –[zzz]
January 15, 2009 9:37 PM | Link to this
Meant to add a Night, all! to the end of that last post.
By TexasBrave
January 15, 2009 9:38 PM | Link to this
KC while I agree that 400K isn’t much and if were only about the money then he11 yes sign him up. But I have to disagree that releasing Buddy is worth taking a chance on AJ. We have learned the hard way that pitching can be a fickle thing and you can never have too many quality arms. Buddy would for sure be picked up by someone and not clear waivers.
But if you had to pick someone how about Lerew, to me he is a waste of a roster spot.
By keylargo
January 15, 2009 9:43 PM | Link to this
It’s official. No MLB GM thinks Andruw Jones is worth the worst prospect in his system as long as he has to pay Jones a $5 million salary. LA would have taken ANYONE and I mean anyone just as long as they could get out of paying Jones his $5 million salary this year.
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By dan
January 15, 2009 9:52 PM | Link to this
I really think that Andruw is going to respond this year. The Braves need RH power from their outfield. Andruw fits that. Granted, they need to bring someone else in to play LF.
I hope that he is willing to sign a minor league deal with the Braves. Trust me, for people that understand the mechanics of hitting a baseball, Andruw looked really good in that news clip.
He is worth the gamble.
By Plate Appearance
January 15, 2009 9:58 PM | Link to this
WHAT ABOUT PRADO AT 2B?
I’ve not seen very much said about the possibility of using Prado/Infante at 2B with Kelly moved back to LF.
What about this possibility DOB? Any thoughts? Anything you’ve heard here?
I like our players and would rather keep them than trading some for a rent a LF for a year, as would be the case with Nady — as a Boras soon to be free agent.
Prado had such a great season last year. Why not give him a chance?
By TexasBrave
January 15, 2009 10:07 PM | Link to this
Dan I understand the mechanics of hitting just fine, but I think you can agree that is one thing to have proper mechanics taking BP and quite another to produce those same mechanics facing ML pitchers adjusting to different pitches.
He11 I could probably show you good mechanics hitting BP and I am 18 years removed from my college playing days.
By Steve from OH
January 15, 2009 10:25 PM | Link to this
Frank Wren has already stated that he has no intention of moving Kelly to LF and playing Prado at 2B.
By Salty Dawg
January 15, 2009 10:28 PM | Link to this
I can’t believe the audacity of Andruw in refusing to accept a minor league deal for a chance to prove himself in ST. How ridiculous. What the hell has he done in the past two seasons that makes him think he has the ability to dictate terms to any team, let alone the Braves where he supposedly wants to play. For a while I was one of the guys who wanted to see Druw signed to a minor league deal in hopes that he can get himself back on track. But if his ego is too big to accept a minor league contract, even after his abysmal performance the last two seasons, he clearly doesn’t have a realistic view of how poorly he has played. Mark my words, this guy thinks he is still good enough to play every day and doesn’t believe he should have to prove it. He must have an ego the size of Texas to mentally block the reality that he is a shell of his former self. If he won’t take a minor league contract, the to hell with him. Go find another sucker willing to pay you to eat yourself out of a career.
By David O'Brien
January 15, 2009 10:49 PM | Link to this
NEW BLOGGAGE, GET YOUR NEW, EXTRA-EDITION ANDRUW JONES BLOGGAGE….
By N Nine (º•º)
January 15, 2009 10:52 PM | Link to this
We know the Braves are reluctant to bring Jones back unless he signs a minor league contract. MLBTR
AJ needs to give in if he wants to be a brave. I’m sure Cox will give chances to make the team.
SWISHER
OR
NADY?
By raindawg722
January 15, 2009 11:03 PM | Link to this
I use Chrome and am pretty happy with it. One of the things that I like is that it automatically checks your spelling when you type. Any misspelled words show up with that red underline, similar to Microsoft Word. I think Firefox does something like that as well.
The find feature is great for blogs too. You can type someone’s screen name in using it, and the browser automatically counts all the instances that the name is mentioned on the page. I use it pretty often when I come to this blog to see if DOB has any recent entries.
By chucky
January 15, 2009 11:07 PM | Link to this
If Andruw comes back here, put him in LF. I think he will relax a little and be able to focus on his plate production out there. I have heard from time to time, teams usually put their least best outfielder in LF. But Andruw out there, with his arm as well, is a bonus. That is a very solid defensive outfield, for a pitching staff that will need it. The best arms usually in RF & CF. He has a surgically repaired knee. It would be a mistake to bring him back here and then have him play CF. Anderson has the speed and range to play in CF regularly. I don’t see the need to rush Schafer, unless he has a SUPER spring or Anderson fails miserably as the leadoff guy(I don’t think either of those will happen…I expect Schafer will start the season at Triple A). I don’t see another bat out there that is really worth us giving up a prospect for right now. Not high on Nady( he is a former Met as well- don’t ever trust those former Mets- i.e. Woodward, Brogna & Gotay. The only former Met to do well here that I can remember was Matt Franco). The Yankees are going to hold on tight to Swisher(no need to over spend on prospects for him- Yanks would try it too, even though they need middle relief).
By braves fan 4 life
January 16, 2009 12:55 AM | Link to this
Hey DOB, Do you think there is a chance that the braves make a trade for both jermaine dye and xavier nady. To my recollection nady can play centerfield. if they do this and resign ohman i think they would be serious contenders.
By jc_dawgs
January 17, 2009 7:09 PM | Link to this
Thank-God Wren finally did something to give us hope.
What I dont like is the hype.
Lowe is very good….no doubt.
Jurgens is good and Vaszques is certainly adequate.
But Hanson and Kawakami are unproven. Sure they got great stats and endless accolades but at the Major league level they will be facing the best and toughest hitters in the world.
The hope is there….lets just hold off on the hype for now…shall we?