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By northbeach Scott

September 10, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

reposted from previous blog

Seems like Wren would want to keep his options open with Glavine, Hampton and Smoltz until he has to choose.

Assume the Braves coaches and scouts will meet with Wren and Cox after the season to rate and rank prospects and current Braves players to layout the team and needs. Wren will be part of the GM meetings after the WS concludes and will have a better idea of potential trades and trading partners.

Glavine and Smoltz will be evaluated for their recovery prognosis and Wren will begin making decisions with better information. If Glavine and Hampton are better options for the money than what is either in our system or the open market, of course Wren would consider them as alternatives.

You folks that want to cut bait, seem to want to punish the victims (i.e. Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton) because their injuries played key roles in the failure of the 2008 Braves. The smart play is to consider them as parts and possible solutions based on probabilities of recovery and effectiveness along with other alternatives. Just to get rid of them, blindly is simply short sighted.

By ElbravoX-- EbX

September 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

4th in the East!

By Shaun

September 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

From the previous blog:

I think pitchers should be handled somewhere in the middle of the two extremes of allowing them to throw 300+ innings a year and limiting them to 100 pitches every five days.

Personally, I think there should be limits not all that different from current ones. But I also think teams should go back to four-man rotations to maximize innings out of the best pitchers.

By GeorgetownKid

September 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Gayle (great article by the way Mr. O’Brien)

In the last blog, you wrote some impressively dumb things, chief among which was your criticism of the Braves “living in past glory.” Pray tell, other than signing Glavine, what would be an example of that?

Perhaps you’ll cite the Braves not dumping Mike Hampton, ignoring the fact that his injuries + his contract made him the most undesirable trade piece in all of pro sports. Had the Braves simply cut him, they would have been forced to pay his salary anyway.

Or perhaps you’ll cite the Braves failure to summarily abort Smoltz’s attempted comeback, ignoring the fact that nobody knows if Smoltz will be able to pitch or not for quite some time. You would also be ignoring the fact that Smoltz was absolutely dominant in his few starts earlier this season. You would also be ignoring the fact that Smoltz is a very proud man, and would not try to play again if he were not confident in his abilities.

You would also be ignoring that fact that on the free agent market, pitchers as good as Smoltz cost upwards of $15 million per year, and Smoltz would play for a fraction of that.

You also complain (frequently and with much vitriol) that the Braves are not calling up more prospects.

But I ask, whom do you want to call up? Perhaps you will cite Jason Heyward, or Cody Johnson, or Freddie Freemand, or Julio Teheran, all of whom are TEENAGERS. Or perhaps you will cite Flowers or Hernendez, both of whom are in A-ball and have glaring flaws in their games that would be exploited in the majors, potentially ruining their confidence.

Perhaps you will cite Jordan Schafer. But I ask, whose place would he take? Blanco, Jones, Anderson - all of whom are ROOKIES.

That is a fact to which you (and many others here) seem consistently oblivious: that the Braves have already called up a plethora of rookies. Were you to call up more, the new rookies would simply displace the rookies that are already here.

Under your philosophy of front office management, the farm system should simply be abandonded, and all recent draftees should be immediately called up to Atlanta, replacing last year’s crop of draftees.

The Braves have supplied us with plenty to be upset about this season. But the lack of rookies and/or Smotlz’s aggressive rehab are a strange target of your plentiful anger.

By Brian

September 10, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Divorce is a life changing experience,especially for kids. I’m 26 and on my own but I always wonder if I would be a different person, better or worse, had my dad come around more. Hope Moylan can come back even better, cause Lord knows we need him!

By Goodoleboy58

September 10, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

sounds like Moylan is coming through the surgery part well.. glad to hear that.. I wish him the best this off-season both on his family and professional front.

By cabravesfan

September 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the update on Pete- he has always been one of my favorites- I can’t imagine how hard it must be to be going through something like that in his personal life and not be able to pitch at the same time. The fact that he can stay so upbeat and postive is just one more reason to pull for him to make it back strong next year

By Big Easy

September 10, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Bummer about Moylan’s family situation. But I am sure he will get through it. Can’t wait to see him pitching again.

And tell him to stay away from the dreaded ‘roo nads!

~E~

By Jeff R

September 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Moylan’s return will be welcome. let’s hope it’s speedy.

By DAP

September 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

thats very sad about moylan and his divorce. marriage takes alot of work, and there are so many things in life that try to destroy it. my heart goes out to him and his family.

smoltz recently went through the same thing, maybe he can help moylan through this time. (though smoltz’s children and ex-wife are alot closer)

thanks, DOB, for reminding us these are real people.

By Bobby's Cox

September 10, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Moylan always scared the bejesus out of me.

Good pitcher, but maybe it’s the side arm thing.

By Jamie in Richmond

September 10, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

David OBrien

Really enjoyed your blog today. Nice personal story about our favorite “mate”, Peter… Thanks David.

By Thrillhouse44

September 10, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Let’s hope Moylan handles his personal situation the way we’re used to seeing him handle opposing batters. The grass ain’t always greener. Unless you’re in Amsterdam.

By DAP

September 10, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

arbitration eligable marlins.

By Jamie in Richmond

September 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Georgetown Kid

Let me make it easy for and and save you some time. **Gayle” probably knows less baseball than the plastic plant in the corner of my office. If you let her she’ll start with telling you things like Smoltz is selfish and then branch out with wisdom that only she can provide…things like Corky Miller is fast, Mike Gonzalez is right handed, and Josh Anderson is black. Be prepared, that’s all I’m sayin’

By AdirondackDave

September 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

I’ve been reading baseball stuff for sixty years, DOB, and this blog lead about Moylan’s life is the most down-to-earth and meaningful material I’ve ever seen in print about the life of a major leaguer. Thanks for the real thing.

By AGTFan

September 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Great story DOB. I can really relate to Pete’s family issues. I had to move 800 miles away from Atl where my daughter lives with my ex-wife. I was going to say more, but I’m getting too choked up just thinking about it. All I can say is I feel for you mate!

By joe lahatte

September 10, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Great blog. Moylan is a class guy. We think these players have it made, what with the star power and the money, but you reminded us that they are humam and the fame and money do cost and cost BIG if it means you lose your family in the process.

What a bad year for our pitchers and their numerous surgeries.Who would have thought it would be Hampton, out of Smoltz,Glavine,Moylan, Hudson and Soriano that would be the last man standing? What a wierd year-Bobby deserves to come back and all these guys should be given a chance to come back next year with incintive laden deals..We also need to spend the money on a big time free agent pitcher and out-fielder.. go braves..

By Arkansas Hillbilly

September 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

When you cross that Ouachita River, Hoss, it just don’t mean a thing. ‘Cause once you’re down in Arkansas, Hillbilly’s still the King.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

AdirondackDave—

Long time, no read! Welcome back! Very true post, BTW.

Thanks for the new blog, Chief!

By GeorgetownKid

September 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Jamie in Richmond

She is quite the baseball wizard, isn’t she. I can’t help but wonder what she does for a living - I bet she’s a popular one around the office.

By Mike

September 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

DOB, any chance the Braves would put $20 million a year on the table for CC?

By JL

September 10, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

DOB, let Pete know he’s in our thoughts. I couldnt imagine how tough and lonley he must be. A very high price to pay to lead the life he does.

By etownbrave

September 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Thanks DOB for the update on our favorite Aussie. Sorry to hear of his family troubles, though we do hope he comes through this ok. Tough enough to be away from family while on the road, but half a continent away would be really difficult for anyone. Best wishes to the big guy and look forward to 2009!

By katz

September 10, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

Luckily, for Cooch, when he divorced his right hand, he was still married to his left hand. Cooch is polygamous like that.

By Bobby's Cox

September 10, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Sad news on Moylan. I guess that’s life. My parents divorced before I even remember them being together….maybe that made it easier.

I’ll try to feel bad for Moylan and his kids, but with the money they’re making, that’s part of the lifestyle, which is too bad. Smotlz recently went through a divorce. Chipper did as well. Maybe I should feel bad. Afterall, they play for our enjoyment right?

It could be that’s a reason why many athletes choose football now-a-days. 1 game a week allows them to spend more time with their families I would think. Maybe that, the whole hip-hop culture, and the fact that ESPN will devote 40 min to football in a 60 min Sportcenter show in the midst of September pennant races.

By Bobby's Cox

September 10, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

The increase in injuries are obviously due to the increase in games from 1961-162 from a 154 to a 162 game season.

More games more injuries right?

By AdirondackDave

September 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the thought, McFANN. My brain’s been wrapped around other stuff lately, politics, guitar collecting, etc. Although the Braves have been disappointing (Chipper and Mac excepted) as a life-long Yankee-hater it’s been great seeing their demise. Actually hilarious seeing them drop Torre who is leading a Dodgers to a division title. (I have few baseball friends in these parts, as you can imagine.)

By secondbass

September 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

DOB- The Braves usually honor their minor league players of the year at Turner Field sometime in September. Has a date been set yet for that event? Thanks!

By varoadrunner

September 10, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

For what it’s worth…..

Where can we find pitchers with the experience and effectiveness of a healthy Smoltz and Hampton? Glavine is still a mystery to me… I’m concerned he has played his last game.

By Jim

September 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Two notes from the end of the previous blog:

Hanley Ramirez is a great player, but he is not a good defensive shortstop. He will be playing 3B or OF in the next couple of years. Uggla is a terrible defensive 2B whose monthly numbers are are much more inconsistent than KJ’s. The Braves do not have a replacement at SS for Escobar in their system after the Tex trade. (Lilli has all the appearance of a utillity infielder at best.) Shorstop and 2B are not two positions that need fixing with Esco, KJ, Infante, and Prado already available. If the Braves would want to acquire H. Ramirez, it would have to be to play 3B or OF and would probably take some combination of Heyward, Hanson, Schafer, etc. to get him.

Warren Spahn and Early Wynn were two pitchers from the 50’s that immediately come to mind who pitched into their 40’s (and were not knuckleballers). When Spahn was 42 he went 23 and 7 with an ERA of 2.6 and 7 shutouts (and pitched the famous 1-0 16-inning loss to Marichal). In the next generation, Carlton and Perry immediately come to mind as pitchers that pitched into their 40’s.

Not only did pitchers in the 50’s pitch in a 4-man rotation, they often were brought in in relief in important games on their “throwing day”. If you check the records of people like Spahn and Roberts you will find that they would pick up some wins and (retroactive) saves in relief in most years. The relief pitchers of the era (like Earnie Johnson and Don McMahon of the Braves) were not considered “closers” but would be brought into games to pitch multiple innings. Later, Rollie Fingers would have many 2 and 3 inning saves during a season. One of the first “firemen” was Joe Page of the late 40’s Yankees. In his most memorable relief stint in the next to last game of the season in 1949, he came in to replace Allie Reynolds in the 4th inning and held the Red Sox scoreless for the rest of the game.

By DesiBrave

September 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

DOB, we sure know that CC is a 20mil pitcher next year, honestly do you think Braves are in the mix to get him? Braves wont give a long term contract nor a no trade… They need to save their money for big hitting out fielders. I believe we will get atleast two of them this offseason.

going after sheets is a risky proposition. that leaves us guys like Garland, Lackey (only if Angels let them go) , Lowe. I definitely feel Wren and Co will be watching smoltz, hampton and Glavine very closely come january. Those are our big bets., Our bullpen definitely seem to be stronger with Gonzo, Soriano, Moylan, Ohman, Buddy carlyle.., not sure yet about Boyer, acosta if they will be back.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Secondbass, that should be coming up soon, but they’ve got to wait until all the playoffs are done. Double-A Ole Miss St. still playing its best-of-five with the Mudcats from Zebulon in the Southern League series, tied at a game apiece. Myrtle’s tied 1-1 in its series with Potomac in the Class A Carolina League final….

Thanks to those who shared some pretty personal stuff above. I’d imagine that Pete will see it….

By the way, forgot to put this Moylan stat in the blog: He gave up three runs in his first appearance in 2007. In 86 appearances since, including seven this season, he had a 1.51 ERA and .202 opponents’ average, with 67 hits, 31 walks and 68 strikeouts in 95-1/3 innings.

The man was extremely effective in his role, and I’m betting he still will be when he gets back.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly, you know it.

You can hear the Grand Ol’ Opry in Nashville Tennessee

It’s the home of country music,on that we all agree

But when you cross that ol’ Red River, hoss, that just don’t mean a thing

Cause’ once you’re down in Texas, Bob Wills is still the king

By AdirondackDave

September 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

I know it’s really to early to start talking about what steps the Braves need to take to pul a contender on the field next year but, so what, I’m going to anyway.

First, need to talk about resources. Pretty clear the club will have in the neighborhood of $40m more with aging vets coming off the payroll. I know Smoltz, Glavine, and Hampton may be offered some sort of contract but have to assume the savings will still approach $40 because these guys are so old and iffy. Also, I’m taking the execs. at their word and expect the total payroll to be significantly expanded, in the $10-20m range. With normal raises eating some of that I still will expect a total of $45-50m to be available for acquisitions, again assuming Liberty keeps it’s word and allows significant payroll expansion.

Now for needs… pitching, as they say, wins pennants and I agree. We need an ace and a #3-4 starter to go with Jurrgens, Campillo, Reyes, etc. I’d go hard for Sabbathia and trade for a young, able-bodied starter like one of Pittsburgh guys or a little better if we can get one. I’m not too worried about the pen. I’d sign Ohman and with Gonzales to close and Moylan to set up and maybe, I say maybe, Smoltz also out there, how bad can we be?

Now the offense really needs to be revamped. The outfield is downright scary (and not in a good way) and first base is below major league standards at this point. At a minimum we need to trade for a power outfielder and Holiday is probably the most attractive if he’s available. I would also make a major run at Teixeira. Sure, the Yanks, Red Sox, maybe the Mets (if they don’t re-sign DelGado who I think is a FA) and others will be in the running. Still, it’s time to test Liberty’s commitment and pony up for Tex as well. Between Prado and KJ, second base is covered and, of course, third and catching are excellent as long as we have adequate back-ups.

Not that much of the above will necessarily happen… but if the Braves want to contend next year, the band-aid approach isn’t going to do it. Just one geezer’s opinion.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

AdirondackDave—

You’re welcome. Yeah, a disappointing season all around, save for Chipper and BMac.

I’m enjoying the fall of the Yankers as well. They’ve gone to the playoffs what—13 years in a row? But theirs aren’t all Division Titles.

Glad to hear from you again!

By Chop Chop

September 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

I wish Peter Moylan the best. Smoltz went through a divorce, but at least his kids were close. Dealing with this issue with your children half a world away has got to be damn hard to take.

As far as 2009, I don’t think Moylan can be expected to reproduce those 2007 stats. It’s not easy to be dominant after coming off Tommy John surgery. However, he can be a solid reliever. That’s all I want from the guy.

By Mike

September 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

Great, more talk about bad music.

By Charlie Brown

September 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Good Grief Folks! Quit living in the past. Listen to Gayle, she’s right on. Please have a parade, ceremony, banquet, picnic, whatever for our old icons and let them move on (I include the oldest and most likely to mismanage, Bobby Cox, in that group, too.) Time to move on and be competitive in the next couple of years. Moylan is just an average (at best) pitcher…just so much more hype from the Braves and the kool-aid drinking fans. Let’s evaluate our major league talent and let them play the next couple of years to get the experience they need, and give them some major league coachimg, too. I bet some of you yo-yos want to bring Phil Niekro, Bob Horner, Dale Murphy, and Claude Ramon’ back. Please…use some common sense.

By GeorgetownKid

September 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Having people like Pete Moylan on the Braves makes it even more fun to be a Braves fan.

Too often nowadays, fans have to hold their noses while cheering for their teams, because their teams are full of people that aren’t truly worth cheering for.

But the Braves are full of men like Pete Moylan - guys whom you could honestly envision being a friend if your paths crossed.

By Lew

September 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Jim-Yes, you’re absolutely correct-there have been pitchers who were effective into their 40’s. Gaylord Perry also comes to mind.

However, look how many there have been in recent years. The Braves had two on their staff this year. Jamie Moyer is 45. So is Randy Johnson. The point we were making is that there are a lot more of them now that diagnostic and surgical techniques have improved radically. We weren’t claiming that there had never been exceptional pitchers who pitched well beyond the average age for their era, just that there were considerably more now than there used to be. Many more than twice as many, which is about how many more teams there are now than in the 60’s.

40 year old pitchers (and position players, for that matter) used to be few and far between. Now they are all over MLB. Hell, the Mets and Giants have made it a policy to have three or four on their rosters in recent years.

By Jamie in Richmond

September 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

G’Town Kid

Your girl Gayle, and I’m not being sarcastic, has opined within the past week that Bobby Cox is the worst manager of all time, and that John Smoltz is selfish and is holding the team hostage. She’s a piece of work alright.

By Brian

September 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

Dave- I think you’re right about the bullpen, looks pretty steady for next year. I like Lowe and a trade for an ace. CC to the yanks for sure and maybe Tex. Forget Holliday and Boris cause trading for an ace,to me, makes more scense. Ordonez,maybe, if the Tigers don’t ask for the moon. I like our chances in 09’!

By BravesFanInRockies

September 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Mike, better hush your mouth about the great Bob Wills or you’ll have to wrangle with some angry hombres.

By Jamie in Richmond

September 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

David OBrien

Noticed you projected our “mate” to be back around the turn of May. Assuming that to be true, who do you project as holdovers in that pen for 09?

I’ve got: Gonzo Moylan Sori Acosta …and Ohman if they sign him. (I could see them offering Buddy and Tavarez a ST invite…)

Who am I missing or where am I wrong, in your estimation?

For the record, and to be clear- I’m purposely not including the likes of Boyer, Bennet, Nunez, and those other jokers…

Thanks

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

Great, another pertinent comment from Mike….

Meanwhile, tonight’s lineup:

1. Josh A., 2. Kelly J., 3. Chipper, 4. Mac, 5. Escobar, 6. Kotchman, 7. Francoeur, 8. B. Jones, 9. Parr.

Parr making his second start, it’ll be interesting to see if scouting reports pay any dividends for him or Rockies.

By ElbravoX-- EbX

September 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

ATLANTA — Despite Atlanta’s worst season since 1990, longtime Braves manager Bobby Cox vowed Wednesday to return next season. The 67-year-old Cox signed a one-year contract extension in May, but his team was ravaged by injuries — especially to the pitching staff — and went into a game against the Colorado Rockies with a 63-82 record, 18 1/2 games out of first in the NL East. Cox said the Braves’ record — good or bad — would not be a factor in his decision to step aside, whenever that might be. “I’m not going to decide my retirement based on wins and losses, or anything like that,” he said, sitting in a tiny room just off the Braves dugout at Turner Field. “I still love the game. It’s fun. It’s no fun to lose, but I look at it different than most people. The game is fun to me. Coming to the ballpark is fun. I enjoy being able to be a part of the game.” When Cox pointed out that he already had a contract for 2009, someone said the Braves would surely let him out of it if he had changed his mind. After all, he’s been managing the team since 1990, and management has made it clear that he can stay in the dugout as long as he likes. “I won’t change my mind,” he insisted Cox is the fourth-winningest manager in major league history and likely headed to Cooperstown after he does decide to retire. The Braves won a record 14 straight division titles from 1991-2005 and captured the city’s lone World Series championship in 1995. But the team has fallen off dramatically since its last division title. This will be second losing season in three years for the Braves. During spring training in 2007, Cox hinted that he might retire at the end of this season. But his outlook had changed when he reported to Florida this year, and he signed a contract extension less than two months after opening day. “I would be shocked if Bobby wasn’t back next year,” pitcher Tom Glavine said. Despite the team’s record, Cox feels he’s still got plenty to offer from the dugout.

By BravesFanInRockies

September 10, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

Looking at the free agent market this winter, power may be as hard to find as pitching. You wonder if the Braves shouldn’t be willing to overpay for a Burrell or a Dunn and then focus on a solid, second-tier starter (Lowe or Lohse rather than CC or Sheets). Then try to acquire another starter via trade.

Also, the crop of FA 3B and RF is awfully thin. Making Wren’s comment to DOB in the last blog about Francouer very interesting. And could either KJ or Prado play 3B for another club everyday?

Possbilities abound.

By Bobby Cox

September 10, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

“I’ll retire when they pry my cold, dead fingers off my $3M+ paycheck.”

By Bobby's Cox

September 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

I don’t normally post, but someone here mentioned Nelson Cruz the other day as someone the Braves could target for next year.

I agree. Looking at the lineup today, it’s mostly a lineup of our regulars, and I’m not that impressed.

Anderson

Kelly Johnson

Chipper

McCann

Escobar

Kotchman

Francoeur

Jones

Nelson Cruz has another HR today so far. That’s 4 in what, 15 games? Seems a lock to hit 30+ HR to me, especially what he’s done in the minors. Add to that he is out of options, the Rangers don’t know what to do with him, and it seems like the Braves can work something out. Let me play GM for a sec.

Here’s the lineup I’d like to see next year:

Schaffer (L) r

Escobar (R)

Chipper (S) r

BMac (L)

Cruz (R) r

Kotchman (L)

Prado (R) r

Anderson (L) r

It could happen. That means no Francouer. Will he even be missed? It also means no Kelly, but he can net us a solid pitcher.

I’d expect to see some responses saying a lot of these guys are unproven, i.e. “risky”. I already acknowledge that had put a little “r” next to their name.

Diaz can be a back up along with Infante, Lilibridge, & Norton who seems to hit well off the bench. That’ll leave us with a lot of money to spend on pitching (Sabbathia, Lowe?) Rotation would look like this:

Sabbathia, Lowe, Jurrjens, Hampton (incentive based contract), and Hanson/Campillo/Parr.

Bullpen: Smoltz, Campillo, Moylan, Gonzo, Soriano, Ohman, sign/trade guy

Wren’s got a puzzle to piece together, that’s for sure

By Bobby's Cox

September 10, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

BTW, the beginning of my last post was sarcastic. Can i ever get away from here?

By Bobby's Cox

September 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

So it’s for sure, Cox is coming back?

Not sure what I think about that. But the organization and the fans own him his dues. Hopefully the talent on the field outplays the over-increasing blunders.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Jamie, I’d agree with those four you mentioned. Don’t know if they’ll try to re-sign Ohman, but they should, long as cost isn’t entirely prohibitive.

I’d think Luis Valdez from Double-A Miss will get a good look in the spring. He had a 2.76 ERA and 28 saves this season, with 77 K (36 walks) in 65-1/3 innings, and a .208 opp. average.

Then you’ve got Ridgway, Boyer, etc. Don’t know how that’ll shake out. Just so many things could happen, guys used in trades, etc.

By Steve from OH

September 10, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Bobby’s, there are so many freaking ways we can go this offseason it’s almost silly to start speculating, lol. Look for Wren to pull a trade or signing out of left field and surprise all of us. I’m sure they’re already working on deals and have a detailed plan on the offseason. Boy, to be a fly on that wall….

I would definitely love to see Schafer in the fold next season.

By Steve from OH

September 10, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Jamie, I agree with those four but you forgot Gonzo!

DOB, do you think we’ll see Valdez after the Southern League playoffs? Carroll mentioned a pitcher from Miss. was gonna come up. If not him, maybe Redmond or Marek?

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

Despite the team’s record, Cox feels he’s still got plenty to offer from the dugout.

Yeah, and its called MORE OF THE SAME!

By Bobby's Cox

September 10, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

In other baseball news:

My favorite big-leaguer (who is not a brave), Ichirio Suzuki has 3 hits today, giving him 189 on the season and 10 shy of tying the major league record held by Willie Keeler (1894-1901) of 8 straight 200-hit seasons.

Ichirio will break the American league record of 7 straight seasons held by Wade Boggs. Ichiro has never had a season in the major leagues where he’s had under 200 hits in a season. He has 40 SB this year.

In 2004, Inchiro broke an 84 year old record held by George Sisler (257) for hits in a season, a season in which Ichiro finished with 262. That year, he finished with over 220 singles, which was more than any other player had hits. Ichiro won both the AL MVP and AL Rookie of the year awards in 2001.

Ichiro also holds the Japanese record for hits in a season with 210. He did it in 1994 with a .385 BA. He has 3,059 hits career in both Japan and in the United States. 1,781 of those hits have been accumulated in the major leagues in under 8 seasons.

By BravesFanInRockies

September 10, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

I’d feel a lot better about our bullpen depth for next year if Boyer got a few days off and then came back pitching like he did in the early part of the season. He may just be done as an effective option for 2008, unfortunately. If so, we can only hope there aren’t lingering effects from his overuse next season.

By Bobby's Cox

September 10, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Steve

Seriously man….so many ways. I’d love to listen in too.

This should be a fun offseason, though we’ll probably have to wait until January or February to get an idea. However, Wren and the Braves did make some pretty quick decisions last year if i remember correctly (Jurrjens in Aug, and Anderson in November). Plus they pulled the trade on Tex a day early. Does Wren like to move fast?

By TommyP

September 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

Last 2 blogs have been two of the best all year.

Moylan has been incredible all year. His loss was huge….I had him pegged to take over as closer this year.

Looking at the FA pitchers out there, none of the big names are coming here, I don’t believe. They’re all going to outprice themselves for the Braves tastes. The ONLY one I can see us making a pitch for is Lowe but I’m still not sure about that.

Someone on another site had Paul Byrd coming to Atlanta.

By Steve from OH

September 10, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

I think DOB said that the winter meetings were right after the World Series, too.

By McFann :Ô:

September 10, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

Oh my gosh…

WHY are you so dang obsessed with the first pitch all of the sudden?? My WORD, man!

He’s lucky it wasn’t a DP…

1-0 Braves! Great job by Johnson.

By Keep KJ

September 10, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Please keep Kelly Johnson. Prado and Infante can only wish they were as good at the plate as KJ!

By bravos2249

September 10, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

McFann

I am also glad the Yanks aren’t going to the playoffs, for the sole chance the Braves record won’t be tied/beaten anytime soon. :)

Whether Divison or not we all know if the Yankees had tied the 14 yr streak they’d be talked about more than the Braves…regardless if they won more WS…no one expected the braves to do this…they did have as rich a history as the Yankees….that streak put the Braves on the map forever. The Yankees were already there.

By beachcomber

September 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

Know it’s early in his career but this Parr kid looks like the real deal - ahead of every hitter.

By the way, I wonder how many times in major league baseball has there been a game where both starting pitchers wore 61? Maybe in a spring training B game.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

Steve from OH: The GM meetings are the week after World Series. The Winter Meetings, the big meetings, aren’t until first week in December.

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

Yet another one gets by that slick fielding Chipper, eh?

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

Nice work by Parr. Kid’s looking good.

And another solid play by Escobar, makes it look easy.

By BravesFanInRockies

September 10, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

Yunel has the gun, folks. …

By McFann :Ô:

September 10, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this

bravos2249—

So true, man…so true.

By Brian

September 10, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

Can you imagine if Livan Hernandez was on the Braves and all the goo talk!! It would take over the blog!!

By McFann :Ô:

September 10, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

See! You took a two pitches, and you got a hit! Up to .294! Whoo-hoo!

And Chipper’s at .361!

By Bravesfaninmetsland

September 10, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

DOB:

Just checking in to see if you have watched, and what you think of the first two episodes of The Shield? I think it’s decent so far. I hear from the half way point on it gets wild. I can’t wait to see how it ends.

By Higgs boson

September 10, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

I woke up. I knew then the world still existed.

Moylan is doing the right thing. If wifey can’t support his extreme sacrifice of playing a foreign sport in a foreign country, well, that’s her problem. Too bad about the kids, but this kind of thing happens everyday. Even when the parents don’t live in different countries.

I just wonder if Cox is going to destroy Moylan’s new arm, like he destroyed his old one.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

The bases-loaded situation with Francouer has moved beyond the absurd stage.

By BravesFanInRockies

September 10, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

As for Frenchy, well, he lives down to expectations.

By fastasballs

September 10, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

Frenchy even had the count in his favor & once again failed to get a run in with the bases loaded. 4-29! Unreal, to say the least.

By keylargo

September 10, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

I’ve noticed a real flaw in BMac’s mechanics getting out of the box after he hits the ball. His first step, with his left foot, is actually backwards. He steps back and behind the plate with his foot and the second step with the right foot basically is like running in place. The third step is the first time he actually moves but is still in the batter’s box.

What I am saying boils down to that after he hits the ball he takes 3 steps and is still in the batters box. I can not believe Terry Pendleton has not noticed this.

If any of you have TIVO, go back and watch his first two ab’s tonight or wait till he comes up again.

By Frenchy's Albatross

September 10, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

The bases are loaded. Whoops, I need my diaper changed its full again. I failed, again. Hard to believe I get paid to be this incompetent.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

Bravesfan, watched episode 2 at about 2 a.m. after game last night. Excellent. Always excellent.

Gonna watch the second episode of Sons of Anarchy tonight after game. Premiere had good potential.

Gotta check out that new HBO series that uga-brave recommended, which is on OnDemand.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

By the way, Diaz doesn’t think he’ll get to play this season. He goes back for his follow-up exam with the famous knee specialist in Vail on Sept. 23, and since he’s on 60-day DL, Diaz doesn’t think Braves would make a roster move to get him on 40-man before end of season.

He’s asked about playing in Instructional League, which is close to his Florida home (he lives near Dark Star). Doesn’t know yet whether they’re going to let him do that, since it’s not usually for veterans.

By McFann :Ô:

September 10, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

keylargo—

I hear ya. And I know exactly what you mean.

Don’t have TiVo, though. Just gonna hafta wait till he comes up again…

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

I’ve noticed a real flaw in BMac’s mechanics getting out of the box after he hits the ball.

To me, it looks like McCann’s climbing a ladder when he runs to first.. But, when going after a foul ball, he seems to be completely different and faster.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

Whoo-hoo!! Double!! Sweet doubles!

Hey, that’s .287 with RISP and .295 for the year!

Hi, Clint Hurdle. Remember Mac?

AND: Chipper is now two points ahead of Albert, who just grounded out.

Rock ON!

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

I was thinking the Rockies might intentionally walk Kotchman with bases loaded, let in one run in order to get to Francoeur….

By Brian

September 10, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

AWWW, You people don’t know what good TV is. Now, the Tom Green show, that was entertainment!! Remember the poop on the mic bit? The sl— mobile? I can’t be alone on this!

By cabravesfan

September 10, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

interesting catch keylargo- watching him swing though, not sure how you would fix that- he turns so quickly on the ball, i would imagine it is very difficult to not put your back foot down like that to keep from losing your balance- but i am sure it does slow him down a bit…

By fastasballs

September 10, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

You have to like the work Parr has done in his two starts. He really isn’t one of the “elite” pitching prospects in the system, yet he’s getting the job done.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

Jeff321 But, when going after a foul ball, he seems to be completely different and faster.

That is very true…weird…Never really thought about that before. Kinda like how Blanco looks faster on the bases, but slower in the field.

BTW—Silver Slugger Watch: Grove is 0-1, still at .292.

Int’resting tidbit I came across (and lemme tell ya, it doesn’t mean a whole lot): Since Grove’s seven RBI night on 8/26, he’s got 2 RBI. In that same time span, McCann’s got 9 (counting tonight).

By Elias Rankings Update

September 10, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

AS OF RIGHT NOW, WILL OHMAN IS NOT A TYPE B FREE AGENT…..

THEREFORE THE BRAVES WILL NOT GET ANY COMPENSATION IF HE SIGNS ELSEWHERE….

good going Frank Wren.

By gayle

September 10, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Georgetown kid and Jamie

I always find it amusing when the messenger is attacked when the message falls outside of your accepted thinking.

I raised some valid points in my posting and you find it easier to criticize me than address the questions raised.

I still maintain that years into his desired return to the starting rotation, Smoltz would have helped this team more by staying in the bullpen. And the unknown item is the wear and tear on his fragile arm. Would it have lasted longer had he not been logging so many inning?

Your inane and pointless comments aside, you have not defended your argument in facts and statistics in terms of how the bullpen performed when Smoltz was there and how it has done since he left.

Thank goodness those of us who really know baseball always have the scoreboard on our side.

By Run, Heap, Run

September 10, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

Ah! Chipper is back in the BA lead by a deuce. Now if Pujols would only go 0’fer for the next week or so….

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

I’m very impressed with Parr. So, if he gets pinch hit for next inning.. Would that be two outings so far with 12 scoreless innings?

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

OK, that’s 12 innings of scoreless ball for Parr in two major league starts, with only seven hits allowed, and three walks with eight strikeouts….

Francoeur’s now at 19-for-81 (.235) in his career with bases loaded.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Boy, Parr is good!

cabravesfan—

That’s a good point.

By BossLady

September 10, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

Life after divorce is not the end of the world and from time to time it is a positive change.

I am in my second marriage and life is so much more than it ever possibly could have been in the first marriage.

We have got to keep good thoughts for the Moylan’s that they can move on to better lives. It has to happen right?

By Harrison Dangler

September 10, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Boyer, thar she blows! Right outta here. Nicely done you big tub of goo, you.

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cox/Blaine Boyer are nothing but more of the same! How many times does Cox send this loser out there? YET ANOTHER JACK!

By JEB

September 10, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

Boyer really, really looks BAD!!!

By keylargo

September 10, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Time to come get Boyer.

By katz

September 10, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

AWWW, You people don’t know what good TV is.

Like hell I don’t. I watch One Life To Live everyday. Couldn’t go a day without it. That’s some good television right there boy. They even brought back ugly Jessica last week. Ya know, that really ugly girl with the pig snout for a nose. She fugly.

I know there has to be at least one other chubby loser blogging on here that knows just what I’m talking about. Yeah, you, fat boy, hiding over there in the corner. I see you. Come out chubby boy and admit you love to watch soaps. You might not be as queer as Kinkade and tape the darn things but your weekly subscription to Soap Opera Digest gets worn out from your daily thumbing of it.

By braves70

September 10, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah. Boyer the Destroyer has arrived. No lead is too big for him to blow. Welcome to the Braves Mr. Parr, join the list of starters who watch their leads disappear at the hands of the relief clowns.

By Goat Horns

September 10, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

What is the deal with pitching Boyer in a game we have a chance to win!!!!

He should never even be allowed to warm up if we are winning.

By Steve from OH

September 10, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

Gayle, there is more to that argument than just Smoltz’s presence. You can point to stats that either support or do not support your argument (I don’t know these stats or care about them at this point in time), but they don’t prove if Smoltz’s presence, or lack thereof, is the underlying cause of these statistics. These statistics can suggest an observation, but cannot prove it. But using your logic, how would the rotation have performed last season if Smoltz was in the bullpen?

No matter which way you slice the argument, relief pitchers are easier to come by than top-flight starters, so I’d probably rather have Smoltz in the rotation while I can (he did start for what, 3(?) years after returning to the rotation? This is like a free agent pickup in itself). If he comes back as a reliever, great. But Smoltz is far, far more valuable to his team throwing 200 innings a season than 80.

But this argument is pointless because in all likelihood Smoltz will be in the ‘pen next season anyway. Not trying to shoot anyone down, just making an observation.

By Tomas

September 10, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

Boyer retire for this season. Say your tired nobody will second guess that.

By katz

September 10, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

BOO THE GOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

BOO, GOO, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this

Parr is first Brave to go 12 scoreless innings to start his career since Kyle Davies in 2005. He’s also the first Brave to pitch at least six scoreless in each of his first two career starts since Larry McWilliams in July 1978.

By beachcomber

September 10, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

DOB - Saw you use the term Dark Star tonight - felt like spring training already.

I’m currently reading a not so new book with the same title - the biography of Roy Orbison - interesting book about one of early rock’s greats. Would recommend it.

By Tomas

September 10, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

Boyer your awesome thanks a lot.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

Good TV is Leave It To Beaver, Andy Griffith, and I Love Lucy.

So help me, Braves, if you blow this game…

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

Took them two outs to give up four runs and rob the kid of a win.

By McFann :Ô:

September 10, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

AAAAAA!! They did blow it! DagNABIT!!

By Couch Tater

September 10, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

Well… that last Boyer homerun reminds me of the Waylon tune I’ve Been A Long Time Leavin’(But I’ll Be A Long Time Gone.)

Woop Woop, Woop Woop.

By ncscoots

September 10, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness those of us who really know baseball always have the scoreboard on our side.

Right or wrong, the “I know baseball” comment ALWAYS shreds your cred. You have to be a little more creative than that if you want to be artistic with your condescension.

But, mostly, if one has to tell people that he or she possesses a trait, others might deduce that such possession hasn’t been made evident previously.

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Ah, yet another tie ball game..

Good thing the Dodgers are coming on in about 40 minutes. Because watching these pitiful bullpen pitchers GIVE IT UP once again is very demoralizing!

By BigP

September 10, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

Bennett looks horrible with that big chaw in his mouth. I can’t believe MLB still allows that. Thousands of kids watch and want to go do that. It is a disgrace.

By Mitchell

September 10, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

Okay wait!!!

That’s not fair. I didn’t get a chance to get here when Bobby brought Boyer in for the 7th. I was going to say, “Bobby’s about to blow another one.”

So just pretend it’s 8:55pm

… Bobby’s about to blow another one.

And now we’re back to 9:20ish

… I don’t care what your starter’s pitch count is! You know your bullpen has just about had it for the year. Leave him in! Oh, and he’s a rookie. Leave him in Bobby!

You’ve seen that the offense can’t score any runs.

It couldn’t be more obvious that Bobby Cox’s judgement is seriously flawed.

This game should be over by now.

By Harrison Dangler

September 10, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

Boyer and Bennett, the blown saves twins. Bobby, do you have a learning disability or what? Nice way to instill confidence in Mr. Parr for his beautiful 6 innings of work.

By cabravesfan

September 10, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

Wow..when Kelly Johnson is hot…

By LAWMAN

September 10, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

For the love of God, please let Boyer sit for the rest of the year, this is beyond frustrating…….

By cabravesfan

September 10, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

Wow..when Kelly Johnson is hot…

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

TWO-HOMER night for Kelly….

If they hadn’t blown that lead, Parr would be 6-0 with a 0.76 ERA in his past six starts, minors and majors.

By Keep KJ

September 10, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson for Atlanta Braves everyday second baseman in 2009!

By braves70

September 10, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Can we have the PA play “Send in the Clowns” every time Booby calls for a reliever.

By JEB

September 10, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Just think… The Braves could have won EVERY game in the past week if it were not for the bullpen!

AND Kelly just hitting his 2nd HR for the night!! He is really HOT @ bat now. So much for fatigue setting in on Kelly for this time of year.

By katz

September 10, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

Life after divorce is not the end of the world and from time to time it is a positive change. I am in my second marriage and life is so much more than it ever possibly could have been in the first marriage.

Speak fo’ yoself Bosslady. I’m living with my three legged dog in a trailer down by the old Walmart working for the man while you ain’t working for no man ‘cause you is the man but you ain’t really the man ‘cause you ain’t no man but is but a lady, a bosslady so it seems.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

Wow, and he hit hit lefty. Hoss has been having big trouble with his left swing, told me before game he still felt “terrible” from that side.

By Savannah Guy

September 10, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

walk Kotchman with bases loaded, let in one run in order to get to Francoeur….

That was cruel. Well, funny… and sad. OK, truth told in jest, sorta. A black comedy. Jeff hitting .231 with bases loaded? What’s really sad is, that’s an improvement over his season average. Anyone but downward chopping Kotchman and the Rockies may have walked in a run to get to French.

Regarding such hypothetical Rox strategy, clever of them to wait out Parr to get to Boyer and the pen. Parr, meet Jair. Pitch a great game, leave with a comfortable lead, take a seat and watch it disappear.

So it goes with the current Braves rookie starters: gotta pay your dues if you wanna sing the blues and you know it don’t come easy.

By Tomas

September 10, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

Kelly thank you. I changed my mind about trading him, he can carry this team when he is hot. Way to go Chipper.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

Chipper just tied Duke Snider for 42nd on all-time homer list with 407.

By JEB

September 10, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

McCann - a 3 for 4 night with 2 - 2B’s tonight! Chipper 3 for 3! (with a HR) KJ - 2 HRs tonight. When was the last time we had 3 HRs in a game??

By LETS TRADE KELLY

September 10, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

for scraps…..

that’s what some of you people wanted to do a month ago…..

By Random

September 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this

Aaahhh — McCann.

With his patented two-base triple.

How sweet it is!!!!!

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Wow! The Braves are ON tonight, eh?

Back-to-back homers, and now a double! Let the good times roll!

OK, McCann just needs 3 more doubles to get to 40, and two more to pass his career high. He’s also hitting .297!

By Savannah Guy

September 10, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

felt like spring training already

Hold that thought. It’s a good one.

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

I e-mailed Moylan earlier to see if all went well in the check with Andrews.

Just got this reply back: Yeah mate all is perfect

By katz

September 10, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

Good TV is Leave It To Beaver, Andy Griffith, and I Love Lucy.

60 FREAKING YEARS AGO! 60 FREAKING YEARS AGO! 60 FREAKING YEARS AGO!

Come on, McFly, you need to come back to the future. Geez, golly, gee, beav, do ya think she even knows who McFly is? Even that reference is dated by 25 years but she still might not get it because she’s watching television shows from 60 FREAKING YEARS AGO!

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Hopefully the Braves will be able to keep the lead now.

With that said, I wouldn’t really complain if anyone in the bullpen was giving up runs besides Bennett or Boyer. But, it gets so old when Bobby Cox decides to sabotage the game with these two neverwill’s!

By ncscoots

September 10, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

So much for fatigue setting in on Kelly for this time of year.

Have Norton show EVERYBODY the “power tape”. Tonight. After the game. Absolutely no later than that.

By keylargo

September 10, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

Boyer will be the winning pitcher if the Braves lead holds up tonight. LOL, no it will be Bennett, but I knew all you Boyer Boys out there would start to smolder a bit. 8)

By cabravesfan

September 10, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

where on earth has this been all year?

By Mitchell

September 10, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

I forgot the Braves knew how to hit homeruns.

Still only a two run lead and still three big outs til Gonzo, who’s capable of getting 39 more saves in a row if he gets a little room to breathe.

Okay, a three run lead… but we’ll see.

By braves70

September 10, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

No lead is safe. We still have Elmer’s glue, Nunez and Tavarez to deploy in an effort to lose this game.

By ERA = 5.89 and rising

September 10, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

GOO!

What else is there to say.

By Lew

September 10, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

Chipper is back in the NL Batting lead. He’s currently hitting .364 to Pujols’ .361.

By keylargo

September 10, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Watch BMac’s ab in the bottom of the 8th. 3 steps to get out of the box.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

That was a fun inning!

katz—

No, don’t know McFly. And those shows aren’t 60 years old.

Dude, we watch TVLand. It’s what our parents watched when they were kids—they saw the reruns of Beav and Lucy, they Andy Griffith. Come on, those are classics!

By katz

September 10, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

With that said, I wouldn’t really complain if anyone in the bullpen was giving up runs besides Bennett or Boyer. But, it gets so old when Bobby Cox decides to sabotage the game with these two neverwill’s!

it also gets old when DOB decides to sabotage the blog by letting a neverwill like Jeff321 post!

By StingerSplash

September 10, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Might it be time (perhaps past due) to shut Boyer down for the rest of the season? The kid’s not even running on fumes anymore. He’s beyond that. He got worked to death early and now he - and the starters for whom he’s trying to protect leads - are paying the price.

By Tomas

September 10, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

I hope we do not see Gonzo in the ninth. He has pitched way to much lately. But I don’t want to see Nuñez or Dessens either. Brandon Jones has played great, he might be a valuable trade piece this winter.

Chris Ianneta is raking it, wow he hits it hard.

By JEB

September 10, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Taveraz has pitched MORE than good enough to be out of this inning!

As the Beamer would describe Escobar’s play ” Fumbling, bumbling, stumbling…”

By Yet Another Reason the Braves should keep KJ

September 10, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson’s homerun total in one game tonight: 2

Martin Prado’s season homerun total this year: 2

By mbatl

September 10, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

Watch BMac’s ab in the bottom of the 8th. 3 steps to get out of the box.

keylargo, he is slow out of the box, but he’s slow the rest of the time too. You’re not seriously suggesting TP should mess with Heap’s swing, to add speed, are you?

By N Nine

September 10, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Sweet..good night on stats. KJ is just silly hot right now. He has regained some of that lost trade value. McFann must be silly happy too. NICE work chipper..

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

“They Andy Griffith”? I meant “They watched Andy Griffith”.

Hogan’s Heros! That’s another great one!

Grove is at .291, BTW.

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

it also gets old when DOB decides to sabotage the blog by letting a neverwill like Jeff321 post!

Ha, let me guess.. You must not agree with what I said, eh?

By Savannah Guy

September 10, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

For any part-time, thrill seeking, playoff craving Braves fans that are losing interest now that we’re out of it, you’re in for some adrenaline. If you feel the games are meaningless, the team is just going through the motions and there’s no point in watching… hold your horses. There’s a couple of classic, maybe historic opportunities to be real difference makers this year:

September 12-14 and 19-21. Mark them down. Braves will be spoilers and provide the blowtorch for a second consecutive Mutts Melt-down. That’ll add some spark to late season Braves baseball.

By bravos2249

September 10, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

JEB

Too bad he’s looked “fatigued” all season leading up to Sept a.k.a When the games matter (except for May I believe)

McFann

Not to brust your bubble…cause I enjoy the mac/grove watch..but the silver slugger doesn’t always go to the highest avg at each posistion….case in point Chipper last year and more than likely this year too. I honestly think the guys who vote for any type awards need to not only look at face value but beyond the numbers.

I mean if Wright gets the silver slugger…who gets one of those while hitting .243 w/ RISP?….just saying. Not on Chipper’s behalf, but MLB’s.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

N Nine—

Oh yeah, I’m silly happy! 3-5 with 2 doubles and an RBI is great! Raised his AVG 3 points tonight!

By Keep KJ

September 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

KJ is just silly hot right now. He has regained some of that lost trade value.

F—- that. Kelly Johnson is earning his spot back with the Atlanta Braves next season.

Keep KJ

By braves70

September 10, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

Blaine Boyer gets my vote for closer! As in:

The one who closes the lid on your coffin. The one who closes your eyes as you pass out in rage that the Destroyer has returned again.

By bravos2249

September 10, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

Yet Another Reason the Braves should keep KJ

I love how those 2 homers tonight are pushing us to the playoffs…wait.

Case in point…Kelly is getting hot, when it doesn’t matter. Where was this in June-August?

By katz

September 10, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

BRIAN Do you mean Deez Nuts?

http://www.break.com/index/itchy-nuts-dui.html

By The GOO tube

September 10, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

…Beav and Lucy, … Andy Griffith. Come on, those are classics!

If you like those shows than you must LOVE Mister Magoo!

By Tomas

September 10, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this

Wow Julio, good job. If they continue like this(Jorge Julio, and Tavarez) it would be a good idea to keep them on the organization. At least Tavarez.

By This just in!

September 10, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN!

The State of Georgia has approved Jeff Francoeur’s request to legally change his last name from Francoeur to LOB.

Jeff LOB denied that changing his last name was a result of Chad “Johnson” Ocho Cinco’s latest publicity stunt. “It’s been in the works for months.” LOB stated before tonight’s game.

With the name change LOB will now be able to have “LOB” on the back of his uniform. According to MLB only a players legal last name can be placed on the back rear of the uniform, above the number. This is known as the Ted Turner rule after his famous stunt of of placing “Channel” above the number 17 on the back of Andy Messersmith’s jersey in 1976.

In a related matter MLB denied to allow Jeff LOB to change his number during the game to reflect his current in-game stat of runners left on base. Bud Selig was unavailable for comment after the ruling.

By The GOObernator

September 10, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

Blaine Boyer is not in a pennant race.

He’s in a hotly contested GOObernatorial race!

By McFann ;Ô;

September 10, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

* bravos2249*—

Oh you’re not bursting my bubble. I agree with you. If it went to the highest AVG, it’d prob’ly be on its way to a Molina.

I’m pretty sure Mac has a higher AVG with RISP than Grove…gotta look that up tomorrow.

Chipper should have got it last year, and if Not wRight gets it this year…well, you know…

Gotta run! Great game! Grove just struck out, BTW—.290.

Night, all!

By Steve from OH

September 10, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Case in point…Kelly is getting hot, when it doesn’t matter. Where was this in June-August?

This is a silly thing to say.

By richbrave

September 10, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Couldn’t watch tonight’s win, but I see the seventh once again rears its ugly head. And who’s the leader of the ugly parade.? Well, at least he’s now on a short leash. Bobby’s obviously figured out BOYER’s present value? to the team. And did I read a comment from DAVE about FRANCOUER’s results with the bases yet again full of BRAVES.? Ouch. And I thought this guy was going to have a breakout season not a breakdown one. Well, at least I pregged BOYER as a petulant oaf. Can’t say the organization hasn’t given BOTH every chance.

By Tomas

September 10, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

They charged the blown save to Bennet. Not fair he didn’t give up any earned runs, and at least minimized the damage.

By Jeff123

September 10, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

Ha, let me guess.. You must not agree with what I said, ehJeff321

he11, nobody with any sense EVER agrees with what you say Jeffie

By JEB

September 10, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

The Braves could have won EVERY game in the past week if it were not for the bullpen!

By N Nine

September 10, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

THE CHIPPER JONES UPDATE:

Chipper 3-4 .363

Pujols 1-3 (unfinished) .360

noone else on the race.

Chipper is the best again!!!!!!Even the goo can’t stop the fun times! Parr you really want that rotation spot for next year? Keep it up!!

By TNJeff

September 10, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

anyone know how many pitches Parr threw?

As soon as he left the game - any idiot knew the lead was not enough to give him a win. What kind of fitness routine are the Braves starters doing that NOBODY can pitch more than 6 innings? Are we trying to rest the starters for the Winter?

Too many mental midgets (appologies to short folks) pitching on this roster. Boyer can’t get through an inning - all season has sucked (Believe lost gave in opening vs Nats). Reyes struggles when leading in the 5th because begins to think about possibly getting a win - even though he’s need to pitch 8 or 9 for that to happen. When given several runs by the Braves, Morton consistently gives runs back in the following half inning.

this team has a will to lose - Cox will continue to work his stupidity next season apparently!

By katz

September 10, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

The State of Georgia has approved Jeff Francoeur’s request to legally change his last name from Francoeur to LOB.

That’s not what I heard. I heard Francoeur changed his name to Jeff Nada Cinco as in Jeff Oh For Five.

By NO MORE BOBBY

September 10, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

*“Everybody is used to winning around here, “But I’m probably better now than I’ve ever been.” *- BOBBY COX

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! WAS THAT A JOKE?

By keylargo

September 10, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

FYI - Andruw came of the DL and started for the Dodgers last night. He went 0 for 4 with 2 strikeouts. He’s hitting .158 and is back on the bench tonight.

By katz

September 10, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson’s homerun total in one game tonight: 2 Martin Prado’s season homerun total this year: 2

Who cares? KJ can’t stroke it the other way. Good power, good speed, a good stick, a good eye. They mean nothing ‘cause cousin Marteen can stroke it the other way and that’s all that matters in the game of baseball —————- stroking it the other way. Yep, I know baseball.

By GOO Libs

September 10, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Play with your friends:

Blaine Boyer is a __ ___ of __.

Blaine Boyer is __ pitcher and should easily ___ next season.

Blaine Boyer __ ___ ____ the Cy Young award.

By TNJeff

September 10, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Just checked - Parr threw 95 pitches. Couldn’t he have pitched 1 more inning, then begin the parade of loser relief pitchers?

why do we have a pitching coach IF Cox is gonna micromanage the game and make all those decisions & make roster decisions such as bringing back Corky to take up 2 spots on a hapless bench

By Chop Chop

September 10, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

As Joe Simpson stated, the last Braves starter to begin with 12 consecutive scoreless innings was Kyle Davies.

In other words, James Parr has pitched very well in two games. That is all I will draw from his first two starts.

By PocorobaNahorodny

September 10, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

McFann I’m with you on the TV shows. We got Hogan’s Heroes and Gilligan’s Island on DVD and my kids love to watch them. The only new show I watch is Lost, but I barely watch TV, what with this pesky job and family. Goober says “Hey!”

By bravos2249

September 10, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

Steve

How so?

If a guy can hit this good then why was he only hitting ,250 in June/.234 in July/ .237 in August…in between a .355 May and so far a .500+ September?

By katz

September 10, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

he11, nobody with any sense EVER agrees with what you say Jeffie

With his posts, I do believe 321 is trying to match ohfers for ohfers with Nada Cinco every night.

By N Nine

September 10, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this

Ouch.And I thought this guy was going to have a breakout season not a breakdown one richbrave

Ya that was my thinking once he came in spring training. He was bigger and had a serious-face look on him. Jeff LOB has been unbelievable, he could be leading MLB in RBI’s with all those chances. DOB you provided the stat on his Bases-loaded avg. somewhere in .235 range, which is close to his BA avg. I was expecting worse!

Jeff LOB voted worst player of year (wpoy) or least valuable player (LVP) whichever you pefer

By nolie

September 10, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this

if it’s before Lew and Nollie’s time, you know it’s way too damn old. That show is pushing 60 years old. Goo

Wasn’t really b4 my time it was during my time. Lucy,Topper,Dobie Gillis, Love That Bob,My Little Margie, I Married Joan, Our Miss Brooks,Father Knows Best,The Real McCoys,Ozzie & Harriet,Leave it to Beaver,The Honeymooners, George Burns & Gracie Allen,Jack Benny,Phil Silvers Sgt Bilko Show,Red Skelton, Amos & Andy,The Life Of Riley, Arthur Godfrey,George Gobel, Martha Raye,December Bride, Danny Thomas, etc those were the good ol’ days of comedy

By Brian

September 10, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

FW is probably getting ulsers. KJ is suddenly red hot while Prado seemed to have the job two weeks ago. Will Infante be a utility guy or a regular? He’s gonna make some enemies this winter, no doubt. Nothing he can do about it, though.

By Jeff321

September 10, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

ATLANTA — After blowing his first save opportunity in more than four years on Tuesday night, Mike Gonzalez had trouble controlling his emotions. Fortunately, John Smoltz was there to prevent him from creating bodily harm.

“I got outside of myself,” Gonzalez said. “It was the first time I had blown a save in a long time, and I wanted to punch a wall or punch something.”

http://tinyurl.com/6lm24a

By katz

September 10, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

Asked if he’s worried about his outfield, Cox didn’t answer. The interrogator reframed the question: Could the outfield use another bat? “That’s a better way to put it,” Cox said. “We could use another bat.”

Condescending.

And Jeff Francoeur, whose flailings have been documented in excruciating detail? “Jeff is making a little bit of a comeback. He’s a very determined kid. He has [hit] before, and that makes you think he’ll do it again. He’s on the right path right now.”

Oblivious.

And has the 67-year-old manager, as a host of AJC.com bloggers insist daily, indeed lost his touch? Said Cox, flashing a rakish smile: “I’m probably better now than I’ve ever been.”

Clueless

By bravos2249

September 10, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

* McFann*

I know you left but:

Mac leads Soto in RISP avg. by like 20 pts. Soto has more rbi by like 5, same amount of homers, BUT Mac has only K’d 18 times with RISP…Soto 32…weird thing is…Mac seemed to do most of those in a 4 week span earlier this season.

By The smell of GOO surrounds you.

September 10, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Too often nowadays, fans have to hold their noses while cheering for their teams.

Yes. When the GOO is on the mound, Braves fans must hold their collective noses.

Is there an odor-eater in the bullpen, anywhere?

By LOL

September 10, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Who cares? KJ can’t stroke it the other way. Good power, good speed, a good stick, a good eye. They mean nothing ‘cause cousin Marteen can stroke it the other way and that’s all that matters in the game of baseball —————- stroking it the other way. Yep, I know baseball.

That you Joe Simpson?

By katz

September 10, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

Ya that was my thinking once he came in spring training. He was bigger and had a serious-face look on him.

A serious face as opposed to what? The gas face? The sad face? The clown face? The goo face? Is Boyer a totem pole of many faces? Well, he may not be of many faces but pretty soon he may be a man of many places. Oooooh, I rhymed. I’m a poet and didn’t even know it.

By SpoilersTheyAreNot

September 10, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

Turner Field restaurant investigated for discrimination

Figures…I’ve always said it…racists.

By SpoilersTheyAreNot

September 10, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Turner Field restaurant investigated for discrimination

Figures…I’ve always said it…racists.

By Robert S

September 10, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

*”As Joe Simpson stated, the last Braves starter to begin with 12 consecutive scoreless innings was Kyle Davies.

In other words, James Parr has pitched very well in two games. That is all I will draw from his first two starts.”*

And to hear his name lumped in with Larry McWilliams (he of late-70’s Braves vintage) is rather dubious as well. He was respectable at times, but McWilliams went on to win a whopping 78 games in his career.

I agree wholeheartedly. Two games does not a career make - it’s all about the long haul. Parr might turn out to be great, and then again he might not. Steve Avery is another case in point. He had two great seasons, and was toast by 1995. One game at a time, folks………..

By katz

September 10, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t really b4 my time it was during my time. Lucy,Topper,Dobie Gillis, Love That Bob,My Little Margie, I Married Joan, Our Miss Brooks,Father Knows Best,The Real McCoys,Ozzie & Harriet,Leave it to Beaver,The Honeymooners, George Burns & Gracie Allen,Jack Benny,Phil Silvers Sgt Bilko Show,Red Skelton, Amos & Andy,The Life Of Riley, Arthur Godfrey,George Gobel, Martha Raye,December Bride, Danny Thomas, etc those were the good ol’ days of comedy

Forgive me. I have been duly corrected by the decrepit corpse that’s older than I Love Lucy.

Nollie, are you older than the Lone Ranger? Older than Tarzan? Older than Zorro?

By David O'Brien

September 10, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this

N Nine, that was Francoeur’s CAREER average with bases loaded. This season he’s 4-for-29, including 1-for-19 with less than two outs.

He’s come to bat with 90 runners on base in bases-loaded situations, and has 12 RBIs in those plate appearances, with one walk, seven strikeouts and five double plays.

By fastasballs

September 10, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

That’s great news Moylan got from Andrews. The Braves really missed him this season. Dude’s got some nasty stuff for sure & I can’t wait to see him next season.

Has Dr. Andrews become the offical doctor of the Braves’ pitching staff? It’s unreal at the number of surgeries he’s performed on Braves’ pitchers.

Come on in the blog Mr. Moylan! We’d love some interaction with the players. I missed Chipper’s appearances here last winter.

By katz

September 10, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

Let me make it easy for and and save you some time. *Gayle” probably knows less baseball than the plastic plant in the corner of my office. If you let her she’ll start with telling you things like Smoltz is selfish and then branch out with wisdom that only she can provide…things like Corky Miller is fast, Mike Gonzalez is right handed, and Josh Anderson is black.*

First of all, Corky Miller is fast ……er than Brian McCann

Mike Gonzalez was a righthander last year when he wasn’t doing a thing because his arm was in a sling

Don’t let the pasty glow in the dark skin fool ya. Josh Anderson might be black. White boys can’t run like Josh. Well, not any white boys I’ve seen in the past 30 years.

Gayle’s batsh!t crazy but sometimes she knows what she speaks of

By JEB

September 10, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

Ahhhh Nolie! You forgot the “Little Rascals” one of the best! Great list you gave though - good stuff!

By George Dickel

September 10, 2008 11:22 PM | Link to this

When Bobby and I were alone just now, you know, in the whirlpool, digesting that bad batch of chilli, Bobby confessed that his all time favorite TV show was “The Real McCoys”.

You see, Bobby really relates to the character of Grandpa Amos McCoy. He’s a dirt farmer at heart.

And he really hopes that when they finally get around to filming “The Bobby Cox Story” that Walter Brennan will play the lead role. And maybe Richard Crenna will play Bobby’s favorite player, Jeff Francoeur.

By AdirondackDave

September 10, 2008 11:23 PM | Link to this

Nolie — You can add Johnny Dollar, Phil Harris, Sam Spade, Philip Marlowe, Third Man, Mr. District Attorney… wait, those were radio shows… so what, radio was better than tv any old evening. I’m still plugged in thanks to MP3s.

KJ seems to be too good with the stick to not even out those long slumps at some point before long. I’d stay with him, at least until free agency. Prado looks like a real good utility piece to me.

Night, all.

By Steve from OH

September 10, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

bravos, because you’re cherry-picking your stats. You’re saying Kelly is hot “when it doesn’t matter,” but he was cold when it didn’t matter, too (August). The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, as they say.

Take “when it did matter,” for instance. In April, Kelly’s OPS+ was 98, meaning he was only slightly worse than average. In May, he was awesome, OPS+ing 162. In June, you note that he was hitting only .250, but he OPB’ed a health .352, which is perfectly good under any circumstances (OPS+ 95, so the SLG was a little down, but OBP is way more important than SLG anyway). In July he was crappy, no way around it. But consider he was good/average for 3 months “when it mattered.” He may not have been awesome for all of them, but he didn’t bomb out, either. He wasn’t hurting the team at any point during these three months.

In addition, most of Prado’s hot streak was when it “didn’t matter” (i.e. August), so I really don’t see your point.

Can we please stop discussing this? We know where everyone stands on the issue, and besides, what we think really doesn’t matter one doggone bit, because Frank and the gang have plans of their own. Let’s move on to the draft, Arizona Fall League, the rest of the actual games we have to play, or college football.

Soooo….how about that Pedro Alvarez thing?

By Mike

September 10, 2008 11:27 PM | Link to this

It’s funny, when I ask a baseball question , I never get a response. I purposely make a negative comment about the music discussion and DOB is right there. Come on Dave, ur better than that.

By fastasballs

September 10, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

DOB If I’m doing my math correctly Francouer was nearly a .300 hitter with the bases juiced coming into this season? 15-52 for his career entering the season.

He was money in the clutch for his first 2 1/2 seasons & now, not so much. I feel bad for the guy. He really needed a good last month or so to at least build some confidence for next season. Just doesn’t look like it’s happening so far & time’s about out.

By katz

September 10, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

You can add Johnny Dollar, Phil Harris, Sam Spade, Philip Marlowe, Third Man, Mr. District Attorney… wait, those were radio shows… so what, radio was better than tv any old evening.

Holy Furman Bisher, you ba$tards are old. It’s turning into a nursing home with all of you geezers running around here. It’s gotten so bad the youngest one of us doesn’t even realize that the shows she watches are from 60 freaking years ago!

By Brian

September 10, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

I’m not kidding when I say this- Jeff needs therapy. I know I would after the season he’s had! DOB just posted those embarassing #’s w/ bases loaded and Jeff ain’t just going to forget all this in one offseason. I kinda of feel sorry for him. DOB- Do you think he’ll get traded or will they be patient with him?

By katz

September 10, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

Ahhhh Nolie! You forgot the “Little Rascals” one of the best!

It’s too bad Bill Cosby bought the rights to the show and is depriving kids these days from watching it. Otay!

By nolie

September 10, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

Nollie, are you older than the Lone Ranger? Older than Tarzan? Older than Zorro?Katz

Yes. Actually I’m older than broadcast TV, damn near anyway. Hey…beats the alternative.

By gotigers72

September 10, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this

Someone please explain the Boyer thing to me, because I don’t get it. Before the season started, BC said that he thought Boyer would eventually be a dominant closer, and I’ve read things from others saying Boyer was gonna be a helluva pitcher real soon. Why, because he can throw 95?

His fastball is straight as a string, he has an excellent curveball, but too often he hangs it. Walks too many and pitches from behind too much. When he gets behind, he throws that straight as hell fastball right in the sweet spot in trying to get a pitch over.

I don’t see why he’s in the majors, and I especially don’t see why BC uses him so much in crucial situations. [Braves were ahead when he came in, and he was responsible for the first three runs]. He has AN ERA OF ALMOST 6 FOR GOD’S SAKE. A reliever with an ERA of 6 should be either A - Unemployed or B - Pitching in Low A or Rookie ball. What gives? Does he have some risque pictures of BC with Wren or something?

By AdirondackDave

September 10, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this

Katz — Only thing better than those old radio shows was a flashlight and new Captain Marvel comic book… Now it really is time to sign off.

By Chop Chop

September 10, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

Northeastern (that’s in Boston, by the way) product Carlos Pena just hit a three-run bomb in the top of the 14th to put the Rays up 4-1 on the Sox.

By Brian

September 10, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

gotigers72- I’m no expert but I think Boyer is a head case. Earlier this year,while his fastball was very sraight, he was hitting corners and his curveball wasn’t as telegraphed. As for Cox- beats me! You know Cox using Boyer this much means he’s giving him every chance to prove himself and he’s about out of chances. It’s a shame cause he’s got damn good stuff!!

By keylargo

September 11, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this

No child could develop correctly without a few years of watching The Three Stooges

By uga-brave

September 11, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this

the 1-19 with less then two outs is really disturbing. really says a lot about patience and approach.

the dude loves being the hero, loves hearing his voice, and loves reading about himself.

gonna be a lot less of that this off season.

160 ab’s with risp and a whopping .600 .ops.

By Sideline

September 11, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this

David, it the opportunity arises, please tell Moylan that a LOT of people are pulling for him - and offer their sympathy for his trials.

The article on Gonzo speaks volumes about John’s influence in the clubhouse.

By David O'Brien

September 11, 2008 1:21 AM | Link to this

Is it just me, or does it seem like CC is pitching every other day? I know he’s not, but it seems that way, probably because we see so many highlights from each of his appearances….

Rays went 2-for-36 with RISP in the series vs. Boston and still won two of three games. Amazing….

Sideline: Moylan actually sent another e-mail later, after I went to the clubhouse for postgame interviews. He read the blog when he got home, after that initial e-mail, and said how nice it was to see all the comments from everyone. He sounded genuinely moved by the responses.

By Metropolitan Man

September 11, 2008 2:03 AM | Link to this

3 1/2 games up and a possible wild card for a backup if needed. Keep on bashing while the METS keep on smashing. By the time we see you guys, you wont be playing spoiler, the METS will be using you to clinch.

By scottbravesfan

September 11, 2008 3:23 AM | Link to this

Man I hope Moylan does alright this winter. I don’t think I personally could go all winter without seeing my family. I couldn’t even imagine doing it while half way around the world.

By ncscoots

September 11, 2008 6:36 AM | Link to this

It’s true that Boyer’s meltdown has been Muts-like in its depth, and that he’s been the unnamed recipient of bad clubhouse comments. All bad things. But I begin to wonder if the Braves can really afford to move him this winter.

Moylan and Soriano are both coming off surgeries, and Acosta also broke down a little this year (albeit from overuse). If you assume those three guys are part of the 2009 plans, the bullpen looks at least a little iffy. Boyer had excellent stuff and a K per inning before he started making more appearances than actors on Oprah, so he’s shown that he CAN be effective. But not over 80 appearances. That way lies madness.

But Boyer has shoveled a lot of dirt on himself since mid-season, for sure. Don’t know if he can survive that this offseason.

By Bill

September 11, 2008 6:44 AM | Link to this

By BigP—- I can’t believe you are complaining about Bennett’s big chaw. That’s his decesion to use tobacco. Which is worse, using tobacco or drinking alcohol in front of kids. We have more problems in this country than someone with a big chaw in his mouth. I don’t smoke or drink. Gave up drinking about 15 years ago. It doesn’t bother me at all, if a person chews or drinks.

By Don

September 11, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

Cox reaffirms his commitment to the Braves and the rest of the NL East cheers wildly.

What will his pitch count for a starter be next year, 50?

By jonny2cash

September 11, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton, Moylan, Soriano, please go away. We are arming up, pardon that, to start next year like this one. DISASTER in the making again. Wren use their money to get pitchers who still have an arm

By richbrave

September 11, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

nolie:

Now you made me feel old. I am older than broadcast T.V. which started here in RICHMOND on WTVR in 1946. First set for us in 1949. “Howdy Doody” and WASHINGTON REDSKINS. Don’t remember the Saturday Baseball Game of the Week until later. But I sure do remember the off-key wailing of “DIZZY” Dean, and the words to the “Wabash Cannonball.”. He “slud” into second. XYZ hits a “Texas Leaguer.” I think that term originated with him. I remember the newspapers getting on DEAN for using improper English, and mused that it had not hurt my performance in school any. I was already sleeping through English class. From my compositions here, readers know how true that statement is.

By David O'Brien

September 11, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Bill, I think you make a good point. How ‘bout mom or dad having a beer or glass of wine sitting next to junior while watching TV? Is he gonna condemn them for setting a bad example, too? Or how about the thousands of beer commercials the kid sees while watching the same game where he sees folks chewing tobacco? Bit of a double standard to condemn Bennett and not the other.

Some people need to relax a bit and realize their own morals and personal choices aside, they shouldn’t expect athletes to be saints. Or expect moms and dads or anyone else to be. You think it’s wrong that someone does this or that, then tell your kid it’s wrong.

Besides, guys aren’t even permitted to chew tobacco below the major league level. Does someone think that kids are seeing major leaguers chew and then deciding to put a big wad of ‘backy in their mouths while they’re at the mall with friends?

By Thrillhouse44

September 11, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

My mom used to smoke and my dad made it a point to teach me to never smoke - and I’ve never smoked a cigarette. If your kid sees someone chewing tobacco, that’s when you use the situation as a learning opportunity. You can’t shelter your kids from everything, so instead of hiding it, tackle the issue head on. Tell him/her why it’s a bad idea and the consequences of it.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

PocorobaNahorodny—

We’ve got Hogan’s Heros on DVD, too! That show is hilarious! Gotta love Schultzie!

“Hey” to Goober!

By Thrillhouse44

September 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

You can even use Corky’s ABs to teach your children how not to hit.

By flange1

September 11, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Morning All,

Some random comments:

VERY happy for young James Parr, 12 inning and no runs in 2 starts is a great way to break into the ML! Glad to see the young man pitch well.

Glad to see KJ show some power. I have always liked him better in the 2 hole, but we have other good 2 hole hitters too. More pressure of FW for the winter!

Without getting “gooey”, is it time to shut Boyer down for the year? He doesn’t seem to be able to get anybody out……

I am still enjoying watch Josh Anderson play. He hits the ball better and harder than I was expecting. He does strike out too much, but he is a better player than I was expecting. It is a shame that Anderson, Blanco, Schafer and B Jones are all LH….

Is there ANY hope for Frenchy? Uga-brave? I will be honest, I am now leaning more to keeping KJ and trading Frenchy. Hopefully it is just a bad year that will not end soon enough for Jeff.

Watching a baseball player chew tobacco is bad for kids????? Sure it is, but isn’t that what a PARENT is for to say this is a bad thing to do and then tell the child why?

Don’t PARENTs have a little responsibility too?

By DAP

September 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

by the guys, last time someone complained that bennett was chewing, i pointed out that it was SUNFLOWER SEEDS! i saw him spitting them out in the dugout.

By McFann ;Ô;

September 11, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

bravos2249—

You’re right. McCann leads Grove by 22 points in AVG with RISP. I did a side-by-side comparison of the two in a few different areas of importance this morning. Got some favorable results:

OK, first let me say that the pattern goes like this:

AB—H—2B—HR—RBI—BB—SO—GIDP—OBP—SLG—AVG

RISP

McCann:

136—39—13—5—55—24—18—6—.390—.493—.287

Grove:

136—36—11—5—59—23—32—4—.360—.456—.265

2 outs, RISP

McCann:

70—19—8—1—24—11—10—0—.378—.429—.271

Grove:

57—8—3—2—16—13—13—0—.300—.298—.140

Late & Close (This one stinks)

McCann:

75—17—5—1—7—5—12—2—.275—.333—.227

Grove:

72—22—1—1—11—10—19—1—.395—.361—.306

The reason I just flash their AVGs up here during the game is because it’s easier than to put up all their different splits every time they bat. But when one hits a double, homer, or drives in a run, you know I’m gonna flash that up here.

By cooper

September 11, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

It is great to see the team hitting and KJ in particular. That said in all fairness I hope that Wren does not look at the last 4-5 weeks of the season as an indicator of anything.

Where were some of these players when the season still mattered or was on the line. MIA.

KJ is a great kid and he is having a great few weeks but when it matter he was not hitting and being moved all around in the batting order.

He is a guy that will show flashes but apparently only when there is zero pressure on him and or the team.

He also may have realized he was playing for his 09 job and stepped it up. If so then he should have made adjustments back in June when it mattered

I am happy to see them win and any Brave to be successful but I refuse to be lulled into believing BA, HR and other improvements in September will carry over into 09.

Wren still needs to view most of this team as in play going into the winter meetings or he will risk repeating 08’s performance.

By Brian

September 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Man, all this talk about Bennett and chew makes me want to put a fat dip in!! Nah, it is a disgusting habit! What about Chipper? My God, this guy has a dip in all the time, it seems! I remember S. Carey being frustrated with him when he started dipping again. If I remember right, he had a spot or two of mouth cancer that was removed.

By Lew

September 11, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Old? Who’s Old? Surely not me. I was not born before the TV era. I never heard the Lone Ranger or Dragnet on radio (though I DID watch the original shows when they cam on TV. Early TV is where I learned that Maverick was not a Presidential candidate, but a barely decent TV western-which was before it was a really bad car manufactured by Ford. And to think y’all only figured that out in re-runs.

Let’s also not forget Gilligan’s Island. The Professor is a fellow Alumnus of my HIgh School-before my time.

Katz and Goo Boy-Maybe someday, if you’re both really lucky, you’ll acquire maybe a modicum of the huge, accumulated store of Baseball Knowledge that Adirondack Dave, Nolie, RichBrave, Gil in Mechanicsville and I have. It’s doubtful as y’all will,likely turn into Vast Tubs of Goo yourselves, but we will continue to hope.

And let’s not forget Journalist Bob, who is so old he forgot to come back to the blog. W

Young Whippersnappers.

Well, I’m likely to be well preserved if this weather up here keeps up like it is. Frost last night with temperatures in the low 30’s. It was only 46 at 10:00 this morning. I hope it doesn’t snow soon.

By richbrave

September 11, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

NOTE TO KELLY JOHNSON:

Two good months and four bad ones does not a ML career make. Tighten up.

By JEB

September 11, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Cooper

He is a guy that will show flashes but apparently only when there is zero pressure on him and or the team.

He also may have realized he was playing for his 09 job and stepped it up.

Excuse me… would not these two statements represent an oxymoron??? You are confusing me!

By MiamiBrave

September 11, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

DOB

Enjoyed this blog a lot, sorry I caught it today and not yesterday. And although you’re speaking about some tough stuff for Moylan, I really enjoyed the blog and the update on him.

He’s one of my favorite guys in the bullpen. Dude is cool as heck. Just wanted to share with you and hopefully him since you said he’ll probably read this. Me and my girl go to Dolphins Stadium every time the Bravos are in town and chat it up with whoever is in that pen, and he is definitely a stand out guy in the bullpen. I’ve asked Eddie about him everytime they were down here about him this season, really miss seeing that guy on the field and in the pen, can’t wait to see him in S.T. He really is a cool dude.

Well just wanted to take the chance to wish him well, since he has always taken the time to sign stuff for us and take pics with us.

Just wanted to post this since I saw it up on the site and kept it for the memories! Don’t get me in trouble DOB!

Spring Training

That’s us sitting down in red jerseys after he signed the pics of us with him that we had taken at the stadium. Hope to see you back in the pen soon Peter!

By BravesFanInRockies

September 11, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Mornin’ folks,

The problem some denizens seem to have with Kelly is that he’s not only maddeningly streaky, there also seems to be no pattern to his his hot and cold spells.

He’s not like Tex or Delgado, who start ice cold and then heat up as the season goes along. Or Youklis, who did the opposite last year but seems to have evened out.

KJ’s on a constant roller coaster, destination unknown.

That’s frustrating. But it’s no excuse to claim he’s dogging it or only comes through when games don’t count.

If anyone could explain why streaks occur and could fix them, you’d better believe the clubs or the players would use that info to make sure they stopped happening.

By nolie

September 11, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Maverick was not a Presidential candidate, but a barely decent TV westernLew

barely decent? Its the onliest western to win an Emmy I believe, or the first at least. I thought it was a great show, at least the ones with Garner in them.

By MGL

September 11, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

New Carroll blog up.

By Jim

September 11, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Here’s a minor trade idea that could pay some dividends: Boyer to the Mets for Heilman. Both of these pitchers have worn out their welcomes in their current cities, and both have more potential than they have exhibited this year. A change in scencery may resurrect their careers. I think Heilman is a much better pitcher than he has shown this year, and may be better suited as a starter than a reliever. He prefers starting, and could serve as an adequate back of the rotation guy until youngsters like Morton and Hanson are ready to assume a larger role. This is certainly not a quick fix to the Braves’ problems, but could be a net plus going forward.

By Tobacco Clarifier

September 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

Bennett does NOT chew tobacco. It is a huge wad of black licorice or fiery hot candy.

By Crista

September 11, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Sorry for the lateness— I have to help with some school stuff on wednsdays and i have some major tests coming up and i had to get a dress for my old youth-group leader’s wedding/ homecoming

Pete, I feel for you. I don’t know what you feel, i’m only a teenager and i’ve only had a real relationship once, but you know me, you know how much I care for ya. I hope all goes well for you. And know you’re always in my thoughts :). Good luck ;)

By monty

September 11, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

You watch. Boyer will work on developing another pitch during the off season. He needs a good hard slider, which I have never seen him throw. If he can do that he will be twice the pitcher he is now.

I don’t care if you can throw it through a brick wall, good hitters will time it if they aren’t considering you have another pitch to get them out on.