Braves

By Tomahawkin

August 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Good to see them Braves playing small ball, and hitting singles…And not going for the homerun…

Bout Time…

Commercial Time…Time to listen to some old Doug E. Fresh…

By Tomahawkin

August 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Yadier Molina is da Truth! He might be the most underrated catcher in the game…

He doesn’t get no love at all from ESPNY…

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Well Reyes helps with the bat and then gives the runs back

By Tomahawkin

August 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

What a suprise, Jo-Jo Getting Bytch Slapped by the Cardinals offense…

Good Props to Prado, Kind of reminds me of Lemke, in how he uses the whole field and doesn’t try to hit the ball 450 feet…

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Pujols just passed Chipper, now leads with .359 average to Hoss’ .358.

By kirknga

August 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

It hasn’t been a good series for Morton and JoJo. They’ll have better games, but the Braves need to acquire two starters this offseason.

By Im

August 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Can we add pujols to the pantheon of players that dominate the braves?

By TK

August 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Why have the Braves brought up Brandon Jones to have him sit on the bench? Why not give him now until the end of the year to see if he might be the answer to LF next? Or at least showcase him for other teams in a winter trade. This kid had 20 & 100 last year. If the Braves just wanted someone to keep the bench warm they could have brought up the kid from GT again.

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

DOB Pujols just passed Chipper, now leads with .359 average to Hoss’ .358.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Bad word…Grove hit a 2-run homer…

Up to 71 RBI…

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

TK, I had the same thought about B. Jones the past couple of days.

lm: Pujols has been in that pantheon of Braves killers for a while now.

By Tomahawkin

August 24, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

D.O.B What’s your take on the New Busch Stadium…? Many people say that it is too much like the old one…

Not Much Difference I think, I just like the vista of the Arch…

Another D.P. For Francoeur, Cheese-Whiz…

By kirknga

August 24, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Good info on Prado DOB, I hope he remains a Brave, but with what the Braves have to do this offseason, he might be a player that is included in a deal that fills a need.

It’s great to see B Jones back and making a contribution.I think he can play, but he reminds me of Morton in that they aren’t as assertive with their talent as they need to be if they are going to stick at the major league level. Might include Acosta in that group as well.

By N8

August 24, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

DOB

“N8, I offered no opinion on that, no comment on it, other than to state that I can assure you Manny will not be a Brave as long as Cox is managing. Whether that’s good or bad or whatever is entirely different. I’m just telling you what I think to be the case.”

No need to clarify yourself. If my written tone seemed as though I was scolding you for the comment, I wasn’t. What I meant, was if you thought I was crazy for caring for Bobby always worrying about character or club-house presence.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not interested in guys like Pacman Jones or Mike Vick. But there is nothing wrong with a couple of nut-jobs on the roster, IMO.

I know that you are just stating fact. I’m just stating that that fact (which I agree with…he ain’t gonna be a brave - nor should be), bugs me. For a couple of off-seasons (and during the season, when discussing trades), I’ve noticed more and more, that you comment on who would be a “Bobby Cox” type of player.

I don’t care about the person (as long as it’s not illegal, what they’re doing), as long as they play.

Besides, when was the last time that a superstar got under Bobby’s skin and wasn’t asked to return? 1997 with Lofton.

If Bobby is so darn good with “getting the most” out of players, why couldn’ t he handle Manny being Manny, and accept what he has to offer on the field?

Again, not arguing with you that you are right or wrong in your assessment of him coming to Atlanta. Just stating a dislike as to the WHY.

On a side note, pertaining to your Boss comment about him being the hardest working guy in the music business. I don’t doubt you on that. I’m not a big Springsteen fan (musically), but have always appreciated his workin’ class demeanor, and work ethic.

But on Friday night, the country/rock band I’ve been jamming with lately, opened up for the Bellamy Brothers at an outdoor gig. ALL summer long, and for the previous two weeks, we had temps in the 80’s and high humidity. Not on Friday. It was in the low 60’s with 30-40 mph wind gusts all afternoon, and dipped into what felt like late fall weather after the sun-set.

I’m not a huge Bellamy Brothers fan (not even a tiny one), but for those old dudes to stand out in that (ahem) “heat” for two hours impressed me, and they didn’t complain or pizz an moan about it one bit.

Two pretty nice guys. Kinda reminded me of my grandpa.

Outdoor gigs SUCK.

Sorry. Had to vent to somebody.

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Man, was that a dreadful throw by the RF, or what?

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Pretty solid of Reyes to get out of that inning with nothing more than the one unearned run after Francoeur’s throwing error. Ludwick’s been even hotter than Pujols lately, so to strike him out with two on after the int. walk was impressive.

By Jeff321

August 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Frenchy’s throwing is way overrated.. Word has it, the pitchers have him figured him out and so do the base runners!

Anyway, initially I didn’t think much of Prado. However, things change and this guy is a GAMER! I mean, he actually hustles down to first base on infield ground outs.

And of course diving into the stands while trying to make a catch doesn’t hurt, eh?

By fastasballs

August 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Infante & Prado have been impressive. The team needs guys like that who can hit & play multible positions.

Hopefully Prado is allowed to really compete for the 2B spot next season. There has been too much favortism by Cox for players who struggle. The hot hand is rarely played by Cox unless there is no other choice because of injuries.

Last season when Diaz was really on fire I recall Cox commenting something to the effect that “I really wish we could get him(Diaz) more AB’s because he’s really on fire”

We’ve seen it too much this season as well although the injuries have probably prevented a lot more instances.

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Pretty slim pickings around here today ehh…

By JEB

August 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Prado playing the way he is, you keep him in the line up. I would move him over to 2b when Kothchman is back and move Kelly out to LF - Brandon & Blanco both can play RF and let Jeff start sitting more. It’s obvious unless the Braves are facing a #4 or #5 pitcher Jeff is not going to help the team at all. Facing a #’s 1-3 pitcher and Jeff is just a waste. He can only get his hits off of 4 & 5 pitchers.

By NCBravesFan

August 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

I think you’re right DOB … Martin Prado definitely wears the leotard. Hustlin’ all over the place.

By kirknga

August 24, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Chipper was safe. Should be 5-4 runner at 2nd.

By JEB

August 24, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Bad call at the plate!! Re-play shows that Chipper clearly beat the tag and was SAFE at home!

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

AAARRRGGG!!

Perhaps I should start writing those “Thank You” cards to Shane Victorino and Frank Wren…

And Chipper was SO safe on that play-at-the-plate!

By Jake

August 24, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Bad Call.

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Chipper may need an off day

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

We should have been IBB Pujols in game 1 lol

By Raleigh Brave

August 24, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Too bad the glow of that “big” win yesterday is already gone. Let’s see one win on the last homestand, right? One win on this road trip? Maybe two if something amazing happens. Sounds like 100 losses coming the Braves way. Yippeee! What a joke.

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Man I can take the first round playoff loses if it means I can see a full summer of good baseball from my team.

By Chop Chop

August 24, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Chipper was safe by a toe.

Toes are not to be trifled with. Gotta cut a closer corner at third there.

Alas, Chipper did not argue.

Oh, the humanity!

By Tomahawkin

August 24, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Troy Glaus coming out to “Crazy Train”… Classic, it has to be the best batter up intro… Let me include “Here I Go” By Mystical when Gary Sheffield was in Atlanta in 2003

And BTW, That was a F’d up call at the plate…

By Brian

August 24, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Blanco never really does that much except maby wear a pitcher down a little,which is good, but his swing is a too wild for a lead off guy. I’ll be dissapointed if he’s our lead off hitter next year. I like Reyes as our #4 or #5 starter for 09’. Gotta get better next year.

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Brian, agreed that Blanco strikes out too much to be an ideal leadoff guy.

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Chipper’s struggling vs. righties, but still raking lefties. Hitting nearly .400 against them, still.

By JOHNNY 99

August 24, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

DOB—

Thanks for the update on the Boss, glad to hear that all is well on the tour. Was Patti there an playing at the show?

As for the Bravos…nothing the same bum luck and bad breaks and crucial calls going the other way…sigh.

We gotta figure out when the curse started and name it, so we can break it. I vote for something in ‘96…or in ‘06, depending on your view of success.

j99

By StingerSplash

August 24, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Springsteen didn’t do Thunder Road or Prove It All Night in Jax (two of my faves). He did Badlands, the terrific and underrated She’s the One and Kitty’s Back, which was truly rocking. I don’t think he’s playing very much at all off The River on this tour. He didn’t touch it in Jax.

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Brian

I still like Blanco though… He’s been one of our lone bright spots so far this year. He does need to cut down on the K’s though

By keylargo

August 24, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

This AB by Pujols is for the lead in the BA race.

Pujols gets an intentional unintentional walk.

By Hit Heap Hit

August 24, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

I prefer Reyes in AAA next year, but that’s just me.

By A-ville Ranger

August 24, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

I’m sure this has been mentioned here before. If the Skankees don’t make the playoffs their streak will end at thirteen consecutive seasons,one shy of our Bravos’ record.The odd thing is no other team has even a two season sreak going.There are 7 teams tied for second at one (2007).So if NY doesn’t make it, our record is safe for at least twelve years.

By StingerSplash

August 24, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Hit Heap Hit,

At this point, I’m leaning toward preferring Reyes in another organization altogether. DOB, any discussion on Sept. 1 callups, or would you rather save that for blog topics later in the week, because there appears to be little fodder for discussion approaching other than the continued losing.

By kirknga

August 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Well it was scary, as is usual when he pitches 2 innings, but Acosta got it done.

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Hit, Heap, Hit!—

Me, too.

Dude, this is annoying…

Anybody else think that this off-season the Braves oughta look for a backup catcher that cann, you know, hit?

Nice hair, Joe…

By Hit Heap Hit

August 24, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

God forbid the Braves go on a 2 game winning streak or anything.

By cj

August 24, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

It’s great to see Teixeira lighting it up in Anaheim, with six homers and 19 RBIs already, remind me what we got in return again. That’s alright, I’m sure with the Braves’ recent trade history this will just turn out peachy with a Thorman clone at first.

By Hit, Heap, Hit

August 24, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

Ooops. Forgot my commas. Glad I wasn’t posting during the game.

“This would be a good time to get on a good run for a change” ?? Uh no, Joe. A good time to get on a good run for a change would’ve been … a month ago?

R.I.P. Chipper’s run at the batting title. It was fun while it lasted.

By bravos2249

August 24, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

CHIPPER IS STILL LEADING….by about half a point.

He said he struggling so hopefully for his sake and the team’s sake his dad will get him straigtened out!

By JoJo Reyes is a fat tub of goo

August 24, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

He’s round.

His mechanics are unsound.

He’s JoJo

The large mound

of goo.

By TK

August 24, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

DOB…do you think the Braves could or would write a big check for CC Sabathia next year? You may have already covered this before. My friends and I were talking about how to fix the Braves next year. I would also talk to the Orioles about Nick Markakis. The Braves may have to take Brian Roberts and his $$$ also to get him. I just think Markakis is a very good fit for the Braves. One other guy I would love for the Braves to try and get is Chase Headley of the Padres. I got to watch him a few times in college. He can play! Get him before he shows what he can really do.

By kirknga

August 24, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

cj, the Braves got a player who is good and should turn out to be very good. I think we should cut him some slack as he is dealing with some profound family issues now.

When all is said and done, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kotchman isn’t at 1st for us a very long time.

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

I hate how Mark Grace says Darren Sutton’s name 24 times a game.

By ncscoots

August 24, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

mentioned that at 4:40-don’t try and make me look stupid I know what I [Brian] said.

Wasn’t my intent at all, and I apologize if it came off that way. I simply wanted to know the name of the scout, if you had it. Fact is, Gorkys is the type of player who would appeal to a certain type of evaluator, and it’s completely believable that one might favor Hernandez over Schafer. I don’t agree with the assessment, but everybody’s entitled to an opinion.

By bravos2249

August 24, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

cj

do you not realize that that’s not particualry great.

1) Tex is proving to the whole wide world that he doesn’t hit .300 or produce without drastic inconsistencies until AUGUST.

If he was here and hitting we’d still be out of it. We needed him to hit in April/May/ when Chipper came back in June..and he didn’t show up. Atleast consistently not.

By bruce

August 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

well so much for the winning streak…

By ncscoots

August 24, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

I see the goo-obsessed among us have found a new toy, or, at least, a new target for his humor (sic). Perhaps Mr. Ma-Goo could give us the history of goo-quotient on other young pitchers who struggled early in their careers…those who went on to become, oh, Hall-Of-Famers, say.

If he’s old enough to remember any.

By Hit, Heap, Hit

August 24, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

There is NO WAY the Braves will get CC SABATHIA. I repeat, NO WAY. At least not before he’s 40 and anyone who honestly thinks they will hasn’t been a Braves fan very long. Sabathia will go to Yankees, Red Sox, or possibly the Dodgers and nobody else has a chance. Period. End of story.

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

I remember looking earlier in the season at this upcoming home stand against the Marlins and Nats and thinking.. “Man this is where we can really pull away”… How times have changed… I mean 13 straight games against two of the worst teams in the league last year.. At the beginning of September.. What more could you ask for?

By Braveheart

August 24, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

N8, why are you now so pro-Manny and so willing to tolerate shenanigans from ballplayers? Earlier in the season, you were screaming bloody murder when Yunel did a little showboating in Miami. When I stuck up for Yunel, you told me I must be one of those guys who loves the Chad Johnsons of the world …………. but here you are now going on and on about how the Braves need to tolerate the tomfoolery of Manny. I’m perplexed.

By Greg

August 24, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Don’t know how many saw this since I posted it late last night, but I’d really appreciate it if anyone (especially DOB) has any insight to offer.

Also, thanks to all for making this such an interesting place to stop by for those who care:

It is my belief that the demise of the Braves over the last three seasons has been fueled in large part by the stunning demise of three everyday players who, along with Chipper and McCann, should be the cornerstones of this team.

Consider that in the Braves’ last division-winning season of 2005:

a) Second baseman Marcus Giles hit .291 with a .365 on-base %, a .461 slugging %, 45 doubles, 4 triples, 15 homers, scored 104 runs and drove in 63. His highly competent defense and all-out style of play made him a huge spark-plug for the team (think Dustin Pedroia to the Red Sox).

b) Center fielder Andruw Jones hit .263 with a .347 on-base %, a .575 slugging %, 24 doubles, 3 triples, 51 homers, scored 95 runs and drove in 128. Despite his less-than-stellar approach to hitting his immense productivity and all-world caliber defense also served to highly energize the team.

c) In only 70 games as a 21-year-old rookie right fielder Jeff Francoeur hit .300 with a .336 on-base %, a .549 slugging %, 20 doubles, 1 triple, 14 homers, scored 41 runs and drove in 45. His youthful exuberance, productivity and cannon-like throwing arm (which placed him second amongst all major leaguers in outfield assists) also served to highly energize the team.

Keep in mind that over the next two seasons, Francoeur still managed to be a very productive hitter who scored 83 and 84 runs and drove in 103 and 105. He also was second only to David Ortiz in most two-out runs batted in over that time period.

In 2008:

a) The now 30-year-old Giles was waived by the Padres after last season. Unable to get a major league contract he signed a minor league deal with the Rockies but was released prior to the start of the season. He then agreed to terms on a minor league deal with the Dodgers, but reportedly had a change of heart on his way to reporting to the Dodgers’ AAA-affiliate in Las Vegas and turned down the deal.

b) As DOB has documented quite well, 31-year-old Andruw may now be the worst hitter in the major leagues, unquestionably so when his $18 million per-year paycheck with the Dodgers is factored in.

c) The 24-year-old Francoeur’s performance fell off so precipitously this season that he was sent to the minor leagues and (Saturday’s hit notwithstanding) has shown little improvement since his return.

As all of us who care about this franchise ponder what can be done to make things better, perhaps DOB can offer some insight as to what happened to these three players (who should all be in or just entering into their prime years) and the impact their collective demise (and the inability to adequately replace them) has had on the franchise.

I sure would love to get Chipper’s perspective on this, but considering that Francoeur is still a teammate I can understand that he probably wouldn’t want to share it.

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Hit, Heap, Hit—

Yes! Gotta get those commas in there…; )

He did foul one off his shin today.

By Steve

August 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Greg

I’ll offer up a very simple explanation for the decline of those three: steroids.

By southbeachdietfreak

August 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

ncscoots,

nice to see you posting again. Thought you’d signed off after your dissertation 2 days ago.

By Please sign Walter Young

August 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

We know that Bobby Cox loves first baseman Greg Norton.

Well, then he must have a super big man crush on Walter Young. I’m sure he’s been bugging Frank Wren to deal for him all season.

Oh, what’s that? You’re not familiar with Walter Young?

Walter Earnest Young, Jr. (born February 18, 1980) is a first baseman and designated hitter who played for the Baltimore Orioles in 2005 and is currently playing for the independent Sioux City Explorers. He is known for his large size and his ability to hit towering home runs. Young is listed at 6’5” and 322 pounds, giving him a Body Mass Index of 38.2 (over 30 is considered “obese”), the highest BMI of any major-league player in history.

By southbeachdietfreak

August 24, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Greg,

very interesting question. 3 guys who have had varying degrees of success just don’t suddenly unlearn how to hit. Wonder if it’s off-the-field stuff.

With the problems that Jeff has had on the field, he is quite a humanitarian and has done some good things for the community. Hard to root against someone like that.

By Bobby's Cox

August 24, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

DOB

Prado finally getting love. Gotta love that.

Everyone thought Polanco was just a utility guy too, but I see nothing wrong with having a .300 hitter in your lineup everyday if he’s consistent with the bat and can hit with RISP.

The Braves problem is a lack of power from the outfield positions, and now pitching (starting and relief). When they excelled in the 90’s, they had lemke and blauser in the middle infield spots, both non power guys. The corner outfielders hit 20-30 HR each annually.

With Kotcman due to hit 20 HR next year, McCann, Chipper, a signing of a LF power bat, and either Frenchy turning it around or being replaced, I see no problem having Prado in the lineup everyday.

KJ has been just too inconsistent, but it was refreshing to hear his quotes about taking too many K’s. I would like Kelly to play LF next year, but with most of the OF prospects being LH hitters (Blanco, Anderson, Schaffer, Heyward), KJ could be the odd man out. There’s something I like about Prado and KJ hitting back to back in the lineup though, so if the Braves can figure out a way to make that happen everyday, that would be sweet.

By southbeachdietfreak

August 24, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Greg

I’ll offer up a very simple explanation for the decline of those three: steroids.

Steve

You’re joking, right? Steroids is no explanation for why JF can’t even so much as make contact, let alone hit it for long distances.

By NO MORE BOBBY

August 24, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Saw The Boss in headline and thought you had a scoop on trouble in Bobby Cox world. Rats!! Guess we just have to wait until 2010 unless the Braves make another idiot move and offer him another extension in May of next season. Who does that by the way? ITS MAY!!!!

By Bobby's Cox

August 24, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Chipper’s struggling vs. righties, but still raking lefties. Hitting nearly .400 against them, still.

Remember the day when teams would bring in lefties to face Chipper? There use to be talk about Chipper becoming a left-handed hitter only. Boy have things changed, but it seems like he still possesses more power hitting LH.

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

Hit Heap Hit: Tough to argue otherwise right now (regarding your 4:44).

Speaking of HEAP, McCann has the single largest welt I think I’ve ever seen on a human being without a broken bone. He’s got a grapefruit sized monster of a lump on his right shin. Just gruesome. Said he’s fine as he limped through the clubhouse.

Can’t believe he stayed in and played whole game with that thing. He did it when he fouled that ball off his shin in his first at-bat.

By richbrave

August 24, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

McFANN:

Yours of 4:53 p.m. How about CORKY MILLER.? He’s seven for his last eight here in Richmond and tearing up the league. Heh, heh.

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Johnny99: No, Patty wasn’t there. Another woman played several instruments (guitar, violin, etc) in her place. What’s up with Patty, do you know?

Also, the Big Man (Clarence) was ill before the show, which is why it started late, about 8:45 p.m. He was moving slowly, but sounded just fine on his solos. Had to sit a few times in a chair they had for him at the side of the stage.

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

PITTSBURGH’S ADAM LAROCHE WAS EJECTED BY HOME PLATE UMPIRE BOB DAVIDSON IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FIFTH INNING FOR ARGUING BALLS AND STRIKES.

Ol Adam showing some emotion got to love it

By observer

August 24, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Does anyone remember when Jeff got married? Seems like it was when he started his slide or just after

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Richbrave—

Heh heh…Yeah…

DOB—

Ugh…Thanks for the info. Yikes…

Says he’s FINE? Uh……yeah, OK, sure…

Starts with an “X”, and ends with a “Ray”…

By covert observer

August 24, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

observer

It appeared to me that woman JF married had been telling him when to jump and how high for years.

By Braveheart

August 24, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

ncscoots, nice to see you posting again. Thought you’d signed off after your dissertation 2 days ago.

I think Scoots was just practicing an ole trick he learned from SJA …….. all that was missing was an a@@clown reference or two or ten ……

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Sorry, meant to delete the last sentence of my last post.

Pushed the button before I reread my post. Oopsie-doopsie.

By Goodoleboy58

August 24, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

observer

Just like Roy Hobbs ehh?

By Steve

August 24, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

By southbeachdietfreak

August 24, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Greg

I’ll offer up a very simple explanation for the decline of those three: steroids.

Steve

You’re joking, right? Steroids is no explanation for why JF can’t even so much as make contact, let alone hit it for long distances.

No, I’m not joking. It’s a perfectly reasonable explanation, if his bat has slowed to the point that he can’t catch up to the better fastballs.

By Hit, Heap, Hit

August 24, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

And Heap didn’t even wear a shin guard for the rest of his at bats. What a man. : )

Good to hear Laroche is awake during his at bats these days.

Hey DOB can you mention to Chipper that he needs to argue on those close plays? The replay showed he was safe by a toe. Even if he thinks he wasn’t he needs to put up a little argument. He’s Chipper Jones for pete’s sake. No need for him to always act like an amicable old man. :D

By JOHNNY 99

August 24, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

DOB—-

At one point during the Atlanta show—again, right after Danny had passed away—he had indicated that she was not feeling up to the road yet, but also made a very Boss-like remark about the kids being teenagers these days and someone needing to be around to keep an eye on them, and that it wa her turn. I assume that’s still it, although her last solo album was great and worth picking up (it’s called “23rd Street Lullaby”), so she may be working on a follow-up.

Clarence was taking it easy a bit in Europe, too, from what I hear. Still playing like a champ but moving around less to compensate. He’s still a big dude, but had lost some weight recently—hopefully by choice and not illness…

The lady who was there playing is Soozie Tyrell, friend of Patti’s and frequent violinist/fiddler for lots of people—was out on the Rising tour with the band too, and went with them with the 18-piece crew he put together for the album of folk songs/Pete Seeger covers (which is phenomenal, if you don’t have it…and if you do, RUN and pick up the Live in Dublin discs from that tour (2disc set, also DVDs out there, too…)

Also, I am in no way connected to Bruce’s marketing team, just one of those Springsteen fanatic/completists…

Also thanks for the rec on the new McMurtry album, snagged it just before I moved from Atlanta to Baton Rouge to start grad school. good company on the road.

Everyone else, now I know the peril of no TBS Braves baseball—my Fox Sports here close to the bayou gives me endless Rangers and Astros games…

Keep that news coming, DOB. Any inside info on Red Stick, LA is welcomed.

johnny 99

By Hit, Heap, Hit

August 24, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

I like the…..subtleties of this photo:

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/chipperpujols625aug23.jpg

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

Hit, Heap, Hit And Heap didn’t even wear a shin guard for the rest of his at bats. What a man. : )

Yeah…

By ncscoots

August 24, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

southbeachdietfreak (and Braveheart, you animal, I’ll not tolerate being put in the company of SJA, thank you very much, LOL), most here who know me will tell you I’m an irritatingly optimistic sort. Though I’m coming here less often, I’d not desert completely…because each time I visit, it’s with the expectation that things will be different. Luckily, disappointment doesn’t faze me.

In any event, were I going to depart forever, I wouldn’t be so self-obsessed as to announce it, and think anyone would care, LOL. Probably plenty here who would hurrah such an announcement, though!

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

Johnny 99, thanks. That explains it.

By the way, I’ve got the Seeger covers album, and the two-disc live (which is, as you say, terrific).

They did one of the trad-Irish sounding tunes last night, two accordians and all.

By Couch Tater

August 24, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

Johnny 99

Home of the Red Stick Ramblers?

By supergrass

August 24, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

according to espn blue ribbon panel - top 3 braves 1-aaron 2- spahn 3- chipper

By Chipper's Calcified

August 24, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

I believe I’m mellowing in my old age. I’m actually feeling sorry for “Hoss”—— by the way is it going to be “Hoss”, a man’s nickname or “Chipper”, Don’t know what kind in Hell a nickname that is??——-It appears he is actually going to have to play the rest of the season.

You know the “Canine”—a MORE appropriate nickname—-had delusions of opening a nice big lead in the batting title race and then having to sit out rest of year because of INEXPLICABLY developing one of those SOMEWHAT ODD injuries where he cuts himself trimming his pubic hair or strains his back changing “positions”—-That Chipper, you never know!!!

By Savannah Guy

August 24, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this

Though I’m coming here less often, I’d not desert completely…because each time I visit, it’s with the expectation that things will be different. Luckily, disappointment doesn’t faze me.

Scoots, I’ll just ditto that. Blogging is sometimes a lot like baseball… I’ll approach it with the same kind of attitude and thinking that gets me through seasons like the Braves are having without getting too bent out of shape. Oh, and thanks for your comment earlier. A compliment from you is highly appreciated.

Now, about our lineup: I think I’ve finally figured out why our RF gets so many starts while struggling so mightily most of the year… Bobby must use ink for his lineup card. If he ever goes back to using a pencil French may finally get some time to regroup.

Make that, a pencil with an eraser.

By StingerSplash

August 24, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

DOB,

The song with Roy Bittan and the guy who took over for Danny Federici on accordion, “American Land,” was quite good. Hey, what other rock superstar has the non-strikes to put not one but two accordions into a song? Great scene in Jax - he pulled a sign from the crowd and it said, “Iraqi vet’s first Springsteen show” and it requested “Glory Days.” Not one of his true greats as a song, but that was a terrific touch among a splendid idea of pulling the signs. Not many other 58-year-olds can do what he does and do it so well. Hell, not many 28-year-olds could either. He is still the consummate showman.

By Not That There's Anything Wrong With That

August 24, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

Does Chipper really trim his privates? You are making that up? Right!! Was that in a magazine article or are you speculating?

I always thought the dude had a funny look on his face.

By JOHNNY 99

August 24, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

Tater—

Could be. I literally just got here, school startsd tomorrow, have had very little time to do anything other than read and set up a new apartment—and, as you’d imagine, the scenery so far on campus and around town…wow.

DOB—

yeah, they’re great. especially love the versions of “Atlantic City” (my fav boss tune of many) and “open all night” they do on those discs.

Only wish the Braves could reinvent their classic years as readily and effectively as Bruce and the gang…

j99

By Couch Tater

August 24, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

Johnny

I hate to say it, but you are not going to miss the Bravos in that “wow” atmosphere. Good luck on your studys.

By bobby

August 24, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

DOB, are you sure the Braves can’t lose forever? They don’t show any signs of winning this season. Maybe 5-30 or so for the rest of the season.

By Bravelee

August 24, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

How many pitchers has Roger McDowell helped since he’s been here? By my count, none. And many are getting hurt, too—lack of a good preparation or conditioning plan? Read where he’s giving ‘tough love’ to Morton—are you kidding? How about some good instruction and a kick in the butt? He clearly wasn’t ready to be an MLB pitching coach, but he’s a nice guy (from what you write). Can’t we do better? Please answer DOB—need some insight for us fans.

By JOHNNY 99

August 24, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

Thanks Tater. Going back to school in a physically and mentally taxing fine arts program==great idea. Doing so at 30 & out of school for 8 years=intimidating. Take all the luck I can get.

By the way, anyone with MLB.TV, has the service improved at all? worth it for the rest of the season?

thanks j99

By varoadrunner

August 24, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

We need a high profile manager, similar to Bobby in the past. But as I have said before, to lure top free agents, we need to have a manager in place, not going out. I agree that Roger McDowell hasn’t shown much at all and why should we (The Braves) wait any longer to bring in a quality coach…… might as well find a new hitting coach that knows how to coach. IMO…

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Bottom of the 3rd:

LA Dodgers: 1

Fillies: 0 (Keep it that way!) SV: 0-0, BB.

More later.

By McFann =Ô=

August 24, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

So far, they’ve kept it that way:

1-0, Dodgers. (SV, 0-1, BB)

By BravesFanInRockies

August 24, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Bravelee

You have no idea what you’re talking about. In plenty of stories by DOB and others Braves pitchers have had nothing but praise for the way McDowell helps them, treats them like individuals (unlike Leo, who always preached the same approach for everyone— throw fastballs low and away).

No pitching coach can make a bum into a Cy Young winner, but McDowell has done well with less accomplished talent than Leo had to work with. And for the most part, healthy pitchers in their primes. At some point, when you’re relying on your 11th starter and your 15th reliever of the season, the coach can’t be blamed.

By Metropolitan Man

August 24, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

Bottom of the 3rd: LA Dodgers:1 Fillies: 0 (Keep it that way!) SV: 0-0, BB. More later.

LETS GO Dodgers. Do it for NY Torre.

By athdog

August 24, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

DOB

Here’s a thought…okay two thoughts. The Braves obviously need overhauling, at least two starters to go along with Campy and JJ next year, a reliever or three and arguably a second baseman as well as two outfielders without an argument. Why overhaul the team if Bobby is going to be retire in a couple of years? The new guy will rebuild the team to his liking, hopefully with more dependence on speed, so why not send Bobby upstairs to the front office after this season? Which leads me to thought number two…why has Bobby gone the entire year with a right fielder who is an automatic out? Why not give B Jones, Andersen, Schaefer or someone in the organization a try? Please help me to understand before my head explodes.

By David O'Brien

August 24, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

Stinger, yes, it was American Land. And it was fantastic. And agree with Johnny 99 about Atlantic City, both the original (one of my 5 favorite Boss tunes) and the Irished-up version.

By Canuckbravesfan

August 24, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

athdog—-re your 10:05

We don’t give someone else a try because that would require the Braves to be proactive about the line-up. All we do is make moves forced on us by injuries, never by poor performance. It’s been the pattern for a long while, and I see no evidence that it is changing at all.

By Blue water

August 24, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Bobby still playing Francour. Swing at anything Frenchy.

By Rick

August 24, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

The 27 consecutive one-run road losses is an amazing record but it seems to be more a matter of incredibly bad luck than anything else . I say this because the Red Sox just broke their streak of 16 one-run road losses today by beating the BlueJays 6-5 in Toronto ( their streak started in April ) .

The Red Sox are the defending World Champs and have a great closer so I guess it can happen to anybody .

By Brian

August 24, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

Seems like Reyes and Morton have the right idea about where there pitches need to be, how to pitch certain hitters and what they need to work on. Unfortunately it comes after the game they just blew! I know there young and seem like nervous wrecks out there but GET OVER IT! Easy for me to say and I do like Reyes and I’d like to see him with us next year but I get sick of there comments after the game.

By The Mang and The Boss

August 24, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

Impressive that O’Brien saw the best baseball player and the best rock’n’roller perform on the same day; Pujols and Springsteen; you can’t top that for stars dedicated to their work!

By Bobby Cox

August 24, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

NO NO NO NO!!!!!! I refuse to give anyone a call up during the season! That’s what spring training is for people. And what is all this nonscence, we’re still in the race!!!!! Look up Sid Justice classic blooper. Made me laugh so hard I farted

By pete

August 24, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

Casey Kotchman has looked god awful since becoming a Brave.

By Bravelee

August 24, 2008 11:27 PM | Link to this

Rockies: Get a clue, pal. Are you McDowell’s cousin? Isn’t 3 years enough to evaluate him? All we have are pitching injuries, huge ERA’s and a crappy staff top to bottom—all head cases. Has he improved anyone? Name one pitcher that RM has made better since he arrived? Leo made many better, maybe his formula actually worked—Roger’s pats on the back and good will are making us into the Nationals.

By Braves in 2009

August 24, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

BRIAN MCCANN——YOU R a FRIKIN god and we all thank the real GOD that U R OUR GUY! Thanks for bringing your professionalism EVERY DAY. This boy plays with serious pain and MANS UP every time. Thanks dude.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 24, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Bravelee,

Just going on what I’ve read and heard from the pitchers, who rave about the way he makes minor adjustments in their mechanics that improve what they do.

Mazzone may be one of the half-dozen best pitching coaches of all time, but McDowell has done fine with the material he’s been handed.

There’s this myth that no Braves pitcher was ever injured when Leo was the coach. It’s bull. His guys had their share of injuries — even Smoltz, remember, had several major operations under Leo’s care. And Hampton first went down while Leo was here.

The problem this year and last hasn’t been McDowell, it’s been the talent the front office has assembled and the way Cox has used them. He’s become ever more dependent on three or four pitchers to throw what seems like every other game. That’s going to take its toll no matter who’s the pitching coach.

By Robert

August 24, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

“Saw The Boss in headline and thought you had a scoop on trouble in Bobby Cox world. Rats!! Guess we just have to wait until 2010 unless the Braves make another idiot move and offer him another extension in May of next season. Who does that by the way? ITS MAY!!!!”

And here I thought we were gonna hear some schmark about how having by far the worst record in one-run games of any team in recent history is NO indication that the manager stinks

“Which leads me to thought number two…why has Bobby gone the entire year with a right fielder who is an automatic out?”

Because Bobby Cox has about as much brains as a can of dog foos

By bravelee

August 24, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

Rockies: I’m not saying there weren’t injuries under Leo, cause there were a few. But if you look at the numbers under RM in this much shorter period, and lack of development of the young guys, its hard to defend his record. And yes, Bobby sticks to his favorites and overuses certain guys. But shouldn’t guys like Reyes, Morton, Boyer—even Jurjjens—be more consistent? Please give me one pitcher he’s improved? Leo got grief for whatever reason, but we’re the lesser for him being gone.

By southbeachdietfreak

August 25, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this

Robert

Because Bobby Cox has about as much brains as a can of dog foos

Uh, what’s dog foos??

By Brian

August 25, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

ROCKIES- I agree with you in that Leo Mazzone was not as good as people seem to think he was. Use a little common scense and and see that in Baltimore he did very little if no improvement in those young pitchers. From what I’ve heard over the years, Mazzone was alot of the reason why Jason Schmidt and Marquis didn’t stay around- he couldn’t stand them. Now Marquis is a big a***** but Schmidt is a good dude from what I’ve read. Disagree on McDowell though. Not impressed with him at all. Why not bring up our minor league pitching coach? Can’t hurt. And Wainwright- I think Cox pressed JS for that move to get J.D. Drew. Wanna bet?

By Brett Butler fan

August 25, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

I just got here, and I haven’t read all the previous posts, so forgive me if i repeat something. I’m curious, how did we lose the game? Didn’t “Oh No” pitch lights out? Oh Bobby did say the following: “He pitched alright. Lot of hits and six runs, that’s not a good day. But I think he pitched a little bit better than the line score.”

He pitched better than the line score! Just exactly what does that mean?

By BravesFanInRockies

August 25, 2008 12:24 AM | Link to this

I’ll name three pitchers who have improved under McDowell — including one you mentioned: Jair Jurrjens, Jorge Campillo and Peter Moylan. JJ was considered to be a #3 or #4 starter, tops, when the Braves got him. Now he’ll probably finish in the top 3 or 4 for Rookie of the Year could be a staff ace.

A bad Seattle team couldn’t figure out a way to give Campillo more than 13 innings work last year. Would the Braves even be in fourth place without him?

Yes, Moylan’s hurt. That’s because Bobby pitched him in 81 games when he was one year removed from being a pharmaceutical sales rep.

Boyer’s in the same boat. He had shoulder surgery in 06, missed 07 with various injuries and is being worked like a Grand Canyon pack mule. He’s another injury in the making.

JoJo is an enigma. I agree. Not every young pitcher’s going to make it.

Morton’s actually a success story because before last year’s Arizona Fall League he wasn’t expected to be anywhere near the major leagues right now, let alone auditioning for a role in the rotation in 2009.

One thing to remember is that Leo did not work well with young pitchers. The guys who got away — Schmidt, Wainwright, Marquis — weren’t that successful with him. He was extremely impatient and dealt better with veterans who needed to have their routine and mechanics simplified.

Kids drove him crazy and he returned the favor. Smoltz and Glavine had been in the Braves rotation for two and three years before Leo arrived. Maddux had been with the Cubs for five seasons before the Braves got him.

The guy who probably deserves the most credit for developing the Braves’ young pitchers over the years is not Leo but Bruce Dal Canton who’s been in the system, mainly as a minor league coach since the early 80s. He’s now at Myrtle Beach.

By Wayne in Utah

August 25, 2008 12:26 AM | Link to this

I am hard pressed to understand how a pitching coach can hurt a guys arm (elbow, shoulder, etc).

Some guys that have thrived under McDowell: Jorge Campillo (coming back down to earth now), Peter Moylan last year, Rafael Soriano when not hurt, Jair Jurrjens has had a good year.

Do we really want to assign all the credit (or blame) to the pitching coach?

I think you can place more blame on the way BC uses his staff than his pitching coach.

Driving 250 miles tomorrow night, and no Braves game on XM. What a shame!

By BravesFanInRockies

August 25, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

bravelee and Brian,

If Wren decided to abandon the youth movement in pitching and wanted to buy a few free agents or try to resurrect the careers of a number of pitchers who just didn’t work out, then I’d say re-hire Leo. He did seem to work miracles with experienced players.

But as long as the club is going to try to develop from within, then McDowell is a fine choice. (Bob Apodaca at Colorado is not bad in that regard either.)

I think the problem with the Braves has been a lack of balance between experience and talent after you get past the first few roster spots. The old guys have been injury-prone or not that good. The young guys may not have been ready.

By gotigers72

August 25, 2008 1:11 AM | Link to this

Pujols will continue to be a Braves Killer as long as their pitchers continue to groove pitches to him. That pitch he hit for a home run off of JoJo today was thigh high over the middle of the plate. My elderly mother could have taken JoJo deep on that pitch. Go back and check out the pitches he got all weekend. He only made 2 outs and they should have been hits. I think maybe one pitch that he got a hit off of was actually a good pitch, or a pitcher’s pitch as they say. If he batted against Braves’ pitchers every day, he would hit .500 for the year. McCann puts his glove in a good place, then the pitchers aren’t able to hit it. Pitiful since the All Star break.

Saw Leo as the analyst on the game on Fox Saturday. He’s pretty damn good although most of his analysis is limited to pitching. On one pitch he commented on, it was the first pitch to the hitter [may have been Pujols, I don’t remember], and McCann set up inside. The ball didn’t get inside and was ripped for a double. Leo said when he was in Atlanta, “they” [I assume he meant himself and BC] never wanted the catcher to set up inside on the FIRST pitch to a batter, for exactly the same reason that the ball got ripped, it never got inside. He said their philosophy was set up low and outside until you get the count in your favor, then go inside OFF THE PLATE to try and get a swing at a ball outside the zone.

He also said people tried to make coaching pitching too complicated, when it is very simple. Command the fastball and change speeds. BRING LEO BACK!!!!

By Coach ( Skip will be missed)

August 25, 2008 3:38 AM | Link to this

Roger McDowell isn’t the problem at all. Bobby Cox is.

What we cannot see, nor can I completely prove, is the different relationship and responsibility that exists between Cox/Mcdowell and Cox/Mazzone.

In my opinion, Leo was totally in control of all the pitching. That entails, rotation,bullpen,personnel, all decision making during the game, etc.etc.etc.

Cox has not delegated the same responsibility to Roger McDowell. I can see it in the way that the bullpen has been completely abused in the 06-07 and 08 seasons since Leo left.

The other huge dynamic is the good cop/ bad cop act that Cox and Mazzone had working for so long. Mazzone demanded and expected results from all his pitchers. He was gruff, straight to the point, kept things simple and scared the hell out of young pitchers.

Cox simply patted his patted his guys on the back, said good job and offered encouragement.

And you know what? for fifteen years, it worked magic.

Now we have two good guys in Cox and McDowell while Bobby clearly lacks the intuitive understanding of how to manage his pitching.

By Moby Grape

August 25, 2008 5:11 AM | Link to this

If the Skankees don’t make the playoffs their streak will end at thirteen consecutive seasons,one shy of our Bravos’ record

But their’s are not all division titles so we have that title already cause there is no way that they win their division this year

By Ironlift

August 25, 2008 6:41 AM | Link to this

Dave - I’ve left Atlanta for DC. Love the Braves (even this year), always enjoy your blogs. Thanks.

IL

By TIMEFORCHANGE

August 25, 2008 7:15 AM | Link to this

Infante & Prado are great for who they are. Utility players. If either one of them land a starting slot next year then we will be no better then we are now. Kelly Johnson needs to go. Hes not good enough and we need some consistancy.

Hopefully with the contracts coming off the books the braves done turn around and resign the problems of this year. Resigning Glavine to another year instead of going and getting two ace pitchers to start would be enough to make me root for the Muts. (NOT).

My point is we have been for the last three seasons playing players who either should not be here or are not in the right position because of injury. The fact that they traded Tex says that this team is not fixable. I hope they remember this when offseason is here. They need major league players. Brandon Jones is not a fix in left and Schafer is not a fix in center. We have way to many rookie/young and we need some consistant veterans to play with them. Not just Chipper.

By southbeachdietfreak

August 25, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

Just saw from the post above that the Red Sox had 16 straight one-run road losses. They should fire Terry Francona…

By Choke Artist

August 25, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

I’m new here and I must say that I’m most taken with the abject arrogance. Many of you sound as if free agents are just going to be lining up to help resurrect the fortunes of a legendary team that has a certain entitlement.

The Reality—The FRANCHISE that you see as the Yankees—AND I HATE the YANKEES!!—has won 1 World Series in the last 51 years! I know, 14 Division Titles in a row. Well, you know what that amounts to?/ 14 Division Titles in a row. Now if those seasons would have ended at that point it would have been something really special, but sadly they had something called a POST SEASON to determine a CHAMPION, and there things didn’t turn out too well.

It used to be said of “certain college football teams” that they had the arrogance of Notre Dame(When that meant something) and the record of Vanderbilt, well the Braves’followers have the ego of the New York Yankees and the # of World Series Championships—-WHY they play a season— of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

cc and Ben AIN’T coming, Chipper is being fit for a walker, Glavine and Smoltz are delusional, Hudson is going to face some harsh reality, Soriano is what he is and sadly so is The Franchise—ROTFLMAO.

I say we roll up the whole lot of them and trade them—we can PAY them—for the entire Florida Marlins team(They can keep the STIFF Hermida). Keep that team together—and we get the Farm System as well—and then we win some World Series to go along with those division things.

Think they’ll go for it??

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Good to have an expert on the inner-workings of the Braves manager and coaches here. Guess why they call him coach.

The fact that Leo was in total control of the pitching and was no nonsense really helped in Baltimore, didn’t it?

And Cox not having Leo in Toronto hurt him terribly didn’t it? He had just a .549 winning percentage there. He was terrible without his “bad cop,” huh?

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Well, looks like things are as slow on the blog this morning as my flight to Atlanta. Delayed by weather. Aargh. Time spent in St. Louis should be added to the end of one’s life (kidding, St. Louis people)….

So did any of you happen to be watching the closing ceremonies last night when the mighty Jimmy Page played Whole Lotta Love? I was floored. Wasn’t expecting that. And he sounded great. Don’t know if it was recorded or what.

I just told Bowman that story, and he asked how old Page was, and I said, he’s gotta be late 50s. Then I Googled it and saw that he’s … 64! Damn. How did that happen?

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Wow. Not much action on the ol’ blog last night.

Fillies won…ah, who cares about them?

Braves in 2009—

Whoa, dude! He’s not a god! But I concur with the rest of your post entirely.

By N Nine (fire tavaras now)

August 25, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Wow. Not much action on the ol’ blog last night. McFann

Yep i didnt even post yesterday!

I know that blanco strikesout alot, and maybe not a fit leading off..but I like the guy he brings in many little things for us and he was just a rookie…i’d be ok if h taks one of the OF spots if w add power to th other OF spots. Are we ok with this?

Go Brave 2N9

By N Nine (fire tavaras now)

August 25, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

ok my letter “E” didnt work in the last blog..lol it was all stuck

By JC FROM UT

August 25, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Is there any waiver deal rumors out there concerning Kotsay or Ohman or anyone else for that matter?

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

DOB, I saw that part of the closing ceremonies. It will be interesting to see which aging British rock legends perform or show up in London in four years.

By Lew

August 25, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

Choke Artist=Snipper’s idiot cousin?

By BravesFan79

August 25, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Coke Artists: and im sure all Braves fans agree with i say this…. SUCK IT!!!

By N Nine (fire tavaras now)

August 25, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Millwood will earn another $1.6MM this year and $11MM in ‘09. His 2010 salary of $12MM becomes a club option unless he pitches 180 innings in ‘09. The salary about right. He has been roughed up lately, but here’s a veteran that could help in 2N9. At least a better option than jojo.etc. any takers?

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

N Nine Yep i didnt even post yesterday!

Good for you…

JK. But yesterday was rotten…

DOB—

Do you fly with the team, or do you take a differ’nt plane?

Hope the weather clears up for ya—but once you’ve landed, the rain cann start up again (nuthin quite like a nice rainy day at home).

By ernesto

August 25, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

I know Jo-Jo’s young and all, but he’s starting to get a slight odor of Kyle Davies about him.

Hope I’m wrong.

By DAP

August 25, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

But I guess in Atlanta, ‘tis better to be a flag waving wife beater than a ring bearing clubhouse cancer………. the priorities of some people, I tell ya

amen. keep that cancer away. bobby is right on here. manny doesnt belong anywhere near the braves.

By N Nine (fire tavaras now)

August 25, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

its silly how “good” corky has been in minors..but he’s not worth talking about. His bat somehow misses the bat..not good

I’m getting real excited for September call ups! So much to see so little time. Let Frenchy sit and watch these players do better than him (Anderson appears in my mind)

By DAP

August 25, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

N NIne i would mind having millwood, but what would we have to give up? probably too much, because the rangers dont need salary relief. millwood, like you said is very affordable, and gives them innings. we have to give up some pretty good young talent probably, for maybe two years of an average, older pitcher. he probably ist worth what we’d have to give.

By DAP

August 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

this team is really going to get shaken up this offseason…i can feel it.

kelly johnson might be very expendable. weve got two guys that are outplaying him at the moment whos natural positions are 2nd base. he still has tons of potential, but prado and infante might make him trade bait for pitching or outfielders.

also jeff francouer getting sent down really “put a damper on his relationship” with the braves. he might be a guy making waves in the clubhouse. if so, see ya. if he is cousing problems, i garuntee you he will be gone. obviously, i dont know if he is causing problems, but based on DOB’s previous blog, somebody is. and if its him…i dont mean to sound fatherly, but im very dissapointed.

By flange1

August 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

DOB,

Thanks for answering by question about Gonzo on the last blog, and thanks for the information on Prado.

I like the Prado mentality! Wish more guys had that way of thinking.

Nice couple of inning yesterday by Acosta. Good to get a fresh arm in the pen.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Manny Two Rings Beating Bobby One Ring, It was Manny that won the two rings and not the Boston Red Sox?

Last I checked, Manny played parts of 11 seasons before finally winning a World Series.

Manny is a Hall of Famer and he’s still a great hitter. But you’re telling me the Braves should make it a priority to go after an extremely expensive, 36-year-old leftfielder with virtually no defensive or baserunning skills and who will also cause distractions in the clubhouse? That will guarantee the Braves a World Series championship?

By Coach ( Skip will be missed)

August 25, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Let me think this through for one second. Baltimore stunk before Leo Mazzone, they stunk with Leo Mazzone and now that he is gone, they still stink. Shaun , as usual, you make perfect sense. It’ s all Leo’s fault that the Orioles can’t pitch.

Of course, Shaun has no frigging clue as to the true impact on the career of Eric Bedard that Leo Mazzone had. Then again, is sure is strange that the end of the Braves division and playoff streak coincided with Leo leaving for Baltimore.

Have anyone ever heard the statement that the truth is almost always somewhere in the middle. In other words, together, Cox and Mazzone were great. Separate, they haven’t been nearly as good.

By BravesFan79

August 25, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

We should of gotten the A’s Harden!
I felt it at the time it was the right move… and look what hes done for the cubs! The cubs didnt even give up much to get him. And hes decently cheap as well.

If we were serious about winning this year management would of pursed Harden. And we DAMN sure wouldnt of EVER had someone like Corky miller on the roster! Same with last year and having Woodcrap on the roster when we had Escobar tearing up the minors like he did spring training. Im just not buying that management has been serious in winning the past 2 seasons.

I just wanna feel like next season i know that the Braves did ALL they could in the offseason to improve. Keep Ohman, get a true ACE!, have better overall team with better backups. We can no longer afford to carry career -.200 hitters as backups and have to wait till the all star break to find out… THEY STILL SUCK!!

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

DAP, I agree with you on Millwood. He is affordable, but he’s not really inexpensive. And the Braves would have to pay him in addition to giving up good players for him. Basically Millwood has been an average pitcher throughout most of his career. Granted, he does give his teams innings. But I just don’t see that it’s worth several players plus over $10 million a year for a year or two of basically a league average pitcher.

If the Rangers would take a rather mediocre prospect or two and pay a good portion of his salary, maybe it’s worth looking into.

By N Nine (fire tavaras now)

August 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

I like the Prado mentality! Wish more guys had that way of thinking flange1

I’ve been repeating this all season..way before his hot road trip. The guy can flat out hit ANYWHERE he goes. He lead minors in BA 2 years ago. The guy again can hit. I predicted a .300 career BA and im sticking to it.

we have to give up some pretty good young talent probably DAP

Yes, That is always the important part, but we are at a point where we need 3 starters! this would cover one! I’m ok with giving something. We have to give to recieve a starter that we know will cover inn. With that being said, I believe in Wren. He can get us something even if its not Millwood.

By BostonBravesGirl

August 25, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Shaun, your 10:33 post was right on the money!

By TexasHoldem

August 25, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

The Braves could have acquired Manny Ramierez for what amounted to a Ham Sandwich and they would have been a much stronger ballclub after having losing Tex Texiera, one of the greatest players of all times. For those of you who were paying attention, Tex simply went 8-14 over the weekend as his Angels crushed the opposition they were playing. The Braves were mighty foolish for letting Tex go and then not pursuing a disgrunted Manny Ramierez, a certain Hall-of-Famer despite dredlocks and bad attitude to replace Tex’s mighty bat. The Braves have slipped back to what they were in the ’70s, a losing machine, which is what they currently are; a team you can count on to lose 9 out of every 10 ballgames, simply an anemic ballclub.

By Original Jon

August 25, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

I wonder if the Braves will lose more than 80 games. It seems like it is going to happen.

Here’s one stat that I know will never be broken. How many times has a team been so mediocre, losing so many games a year, then goes on to winning 14 straight division titles, then back to losing at an alarming rate? None but the Braves.

I hope to goodness Frank sees that Jo-Jo is not the answer next year.

Lets hope these recent injuries force his hand and he acquires at least 2 starting pitchers this offseason and more offense. Because we cannot depend on Jo-Jo and Morton next year, theres just no way. Morton maybe as the fifth starter, but in no way should Jo-Jo be on the team out of spring training.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Coach, yes, it’s Leo’s fault the Orioles can’t pitch much like it’s Cox’s fault the Braves lose in the playoffs or haven’t been to the playoffs in three years.

My point is not that it’s Leo’s fault the O’s can’t pitch. My point is how can you use Baltimore’s pitching or the Braves’ performance with Leo as evidence that it was Leo that led the Braves’ run?

And I don’t follow your logic. You point to what the Braves have done with and without Leo. But we’re not allowed to point to what the Orioles have done with and without Leo?

Here’s a novel concept: Maybe managers and coaches don’t make as much of an impact as some think. Maybe the little impact that Cox and Mazzone make or made is more than lots of other coaches or managers. Maybe if we’re looking for a scapegoat we should look toward the players or the GM or things swinging in the Braves favor for so long and now they’re swinging the other way…maybe we should look at those things as “scapegoats” as much as we look at Cox and Mazzone.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

TexasHoldem, I sure hope you’re kidding.

You see teams must sign baseball players to contracts, and contracts must be considered when you are deciding which players to trade and which ones to keep.

By BravesFan79

August 25, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

We should of gotten the A’s Harden!
I felt it at the time it was the right move… and look what hes done for the cubs! The cubs didnt even give up much to get him. And hes decently cheap as well.

If we were serious about winning this year management would of pursed Harden. And we DAMN sure wouldnt of EVER had someone like Corky miller on the roster! Same with last year and having Woodcrap on the roster when we had Escobar tearing up the minors like he did spring training. Im just not buying that management has been serious in winning the past 2 seasons.

I just wanna feel like next season i know that the Braves did ALL they could in the offseason to improve. Keep Ohman, get a true ACE!, have better overall team with better backups. We can no longer afford to carry career -.200 hitters as backups and have to wait till the all star break to find out… THEY STILL SUCK!!

By BravesFanInRockies

August 25, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Coach,

Shows how badly the Braves season is going. I’m starting to agree with you (on a few points).

There may be something to that good cop/bad cop dynamic you mentioned when Bobby and Leo were together. Also I recall that Pat Corrales was a pretty tough task master. And Jimy Williams was no sweetheart.

Chino and Snitker might be no-nonsense dudes as well, but Corrales should have had a lot more street cred, particularly for players who were familiar with baseball history.

Maybe Bobby’s mellowed or has just found a coaching staff that is perfectly competent but just can’t light the same fire under the guys that earlier coaches did.

I’m just babbling now, I realize.

gotigers72,

Those comments by Leo Saturday sum up his strengths and weaknesses perfectly. If you have pitchers who can hit the low-and-away target and get strikes, you’re in good shape. If you have pitchers who don’t have stellar control, or whose best pitch is something other than the low-and-away fastball, that strategy doesn’t work.

By NCBravesFan

August 25, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

DOB Are you hearing anything further about Kotsay (or any other Braves) being traded before the September 1 playoff roster deadline?

By BravesFanInRockies

August 25, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Glavine resurrected his career when he went to the Mets because he started pitching inside — occasionally, something Leo wanted him to never do.

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

“Without [Mark] Teixeira in the lineup, Chipper isn’t going to get as many pitches to hit,” Braves manager Bobby Cox said, reiterating the luxury Jones had when Teixeira was batting behind him.

Aww…Come on…Who’s hitting behind him now??

Er…I mean, who’s batting behind him now…

By TOMY FOURNIER

August 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Atlanta????…Atlanta What????…It’s….BOBBY COX “MORON” TIME!!!!!!

By Couch Tater

August 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Yeah, they made a change to Whole Lotta Love lyrics for the closing ceremonies from, “..every inch of my love..” to “..every bit of my love..” (no kidding.) Unfortunately, they may need viagra to change it back.

By the way, anyone else see in the LA Times where Andruw is playing some 1b at AAA Las Vegas?

By BravesFanInRockies

August 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Shaun,

Much as I hate to admit it, being a fan of statistical analysis, I’ve grown to realize that the psychological aspect of the game plays some role. I think it’s less than some denizens believe, but it’s there.

Where that’s shown is when talent meets coaching, and it’s true in every working environment, even when the workers are making millions playing sports.

Some people respond well to constant encouragement or needling. Others just want to know what’s expected so they go to work. Effective leaders figure out who needs what to make their team succeed.

You and I don’t know what happens in the clubhouse, but I can say there are distinctively different managerial styles, and none of them works all the time.

Ozzie Guillen may be the extreme, but yeah, he’s in everybody’s face. (Valentine and Bowa are like that too.) Showalter’s pretty Type-A too. Some guys need that.

Bobby’s more a wind-em-up and put-em-out-there and let the players figure it out guy. (Weaver was the classic in that regard. He once said something like, “I probably didn’t say more a couple of sentences to Frank Robinson the whole time he played for me because he didn’t like small talk and I knew he was going to do the job.” They’ve been pretty close since Weaver retired.) Again, that works well for some people.

LaRussa and to a lesser extent Torre play some mind games with players.

One of the best in balancing things now may be Francona and Piniella (even though Lou does get fired up, doesn’t he?). They seem to know what buttons to push and when in motivating different players.

Again, I’m babbling.

By DAP

August 25, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

just a small tid bit…greg norton has been good as a pnch hitter. whats his contract status? do we control him next year? he would be a good to keep as out pinch hitter as we build this team for 2009.

By flange1

August 25, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

BravesFan79,

Dude, please leave your racial hangups at home. I have no interest in reading your red neck, back woods racial slurs.

As my mother would say, if you don’t have something good to say, say nothing.

By DAP

August 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

bravesfan79 i dont like manny, but i think your post was over the line.

By 30YrBravesFan

August 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

DOB

Sigh. You’re right. It won’t last forever. Just til 28 Sep…

There’s always next year!

By j-townbravesfan

August 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

BravesFan79, it’s a good thing you are such an excellent and highly intelligent poster, or some folks here might be inclined to consider you a racist. What a moron!!!

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Saint Louis is not playing today, either, so Pujols won’t get a head-start on Chipper.

Please, U Kno Who…You have to win the batting title! What else are we gonna get outta this season? Maybe—MAYBE a Silver Slugger from our catcher? Seems like the chance of him breaking the record for most doubles by a catcher has been reduced to slim-to-none…er, no…er…whatever…

By Efrim

August 25, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Bravesfan79

You make me sick. It is unfortunate that human beings such as yourself exist.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies, I agree. The psychological aspect of things plays some role. But a lot of people seem to be piling it on Bobby Cox and some even say Leo Mazzone’s departure is to blame for the Braves struggles.

But would anyone think the Braves would have been any good if you would have told them before the season started that in an August weekend series they would see Martin Prado at first, Infante in left, and no Hudson nor Smoltz nor Glavine? I don’t think anyone would think anyone would have thought any manager could turn that team into a contender. Managers, coaches and the atmosphere can only do so much. I do not think the Braves’ struggles have much to do with the atmosphere. But the atmosphere has to do with the struggles.

By Wayne in Utah

August 25, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

DOB Jimmy can still get it done! My 16 year old (Jimmy Page wannabee) and I were watching the closing ceremony, knowing that JP was going to be part of the show.

I told him that I think he should come out with “Whole Lotta Love” to rock that crowd. Son of a gun, that is exactly what happens 5 minutes later.

Nothing like an old gray haired rocker!

By 22oz

August 25, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Why is it that when someone makes a racist comment they are called a “backwoods redneck?” Shouldn’t this offend rednecks, and all people from the country? Jeff Foxworthy defines a redneck as “a glorious lack of sophistocation.” I consider Jeff a trustworthy expert in the field of redneckery, and I don’t believe racist is anywhere in that definition. So on behalf of country folks everywhere flange1, i have no interest in reading your stuck up, high class opinions.

This post in no means supports Bravesfan79 earlier post, we shouldn’t want egomaniacs of any color.

By Wayne in Utah

August 25, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

While I too am disappointed and oft-times offended by the hip-hop culture in some of our current role models (athletes and musicians primarily come to mind), I think I can make that statement without being or sounding racist.

By Wayne in Utah

August 25, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Infante, while I appreciate what he has done this year, in the past week is there still anyone who thinks he should be given consideration as a starting outfielder? Let’s leave him as a middle infielder or a super-utility guy.

By bravelee

August 25, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Rockies, Shaun, et al: Campillo was good for a while, but clearly is not conditioned (Camp Roger seems a joke) for the full season. Juerjjens also is faltering, and was a stud before he got here—not sure RM influenced that much. I agree on the good cop/bad cop, and that there isn’t enough ball-busting and tough love from a staff of “nice guys” that we have now. Time for an overhaul across the board, we’re all too comfortable with the status quo and there’s no light at the end of the tunnel.

By Steve from OH

August 25, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Bravelee, how can you blame the conditioning of Campillo and Jurrjens on Roger? This is the first year in the Braves organization for both. Consider that the most innings that Campillo ever threw (that I can find) was 149 in the PCL in 2007. He’s approaching that mark this season. This is not Roger’s fault. Jurrjens has already surpassed his career high in innings (142 in A ball two seasons ago). Again, this is not Roger’s fault.

If these players had been brought up in our system and had been restricted to those inning totals, then perhaps I’d be a little upset if they became fatigued and/or injured when called upon to throw more innings than normal. But to blame that on McDowell? Come on, man.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 25, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

BravesFan79

I’m surprised you didn’t somehow throw in how Yunel is STILL upset about Brayan being released

Or better yet, how you were the first to mention how it would affect Yunel’s play

It’s been bad enough to have to spend all year listening to you babble about the Yunel/Brayan Pena schtick….It got old one week after Pena was released…

Now we have to spend what’s left of this season listening to you discuss the matters of race…..

BOY why don’t you spare us and just shut up……………………

By Lew

August 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

BravesFan79-Dude, what’s crawled up your a$$ this morning? This isn’t like you. Balls? Instead of brains maybe.

The last ten or so Skip/Sid Slid prints are going out tomorrow. Anyone who still wants one, let me know now. If you’ve requested one and haven’t received it by the middle of next week, also let me know and I’ll send another one.

By NCBravesFan

August 25, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

BravesFan79 - Balls to speak the truth? Posting anonymously on a blog is hardly balls. The exact opposite, really.

Enjoy your banning, moron.

By Travis Bickle Playing Bravesfan79

August 25, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Hey, I’m not square, you’re the one that’s square. Your full of s**, man. What are you talking about? You walk out with those f***’ creeps and low-lifes and degenerates out on the streets and you sell your little p*** for peanuts? For some low-life pimp who stands in the hall? And I’m square? You’re the one that’s square, man. I don’t go screwing f*** with bunch of killers and junkies like you do. You call that bein’ hip? What world are you from?

By Lew

August 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

BravesFan79-To answer your question, yes, I have had a gun pulled on me, I’ve been stabbed four times and even had a rope around my neck before-I too, am a child of the streets (might just explain why I don’t abide grief so easily). However, every time these acts occurred, it was the doing of morons with white skin (yes, I’m about as white a Dude as you’ve ever seen)-some were Rednecks and others just Flip[ping Degenerates.

Lots of sh!t goes on in today’s society-tons of inequities, injustices and other perversions of human behavior-just listen to the news if you need assurances of that. Anyone who thinks it’s all perpetrated by blacks, Hispanics, Muslims or any other ethnic or religious group to the exclusion of all others is AND IDIOT.

By Threadkiller

August 25, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

This Just In!! The Braves announced that there will be no September call ups this year! It seems that management is happy with the team on the field and are confident that this team will roar into the playoffs!!

By Couch Tater

August 25, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

Wayne- Knowing how the 16-year old mind works; checkout the Danny Gatton beer bottle slide video on you tube.

By Brian

August 25, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

I know the Minors and the Majors are completely different, but has any one else noticed when one of our guys goes down there, especially pitchers, they do better. I’m not saying I want Mazzone back but I don’t think McDowell prepares them mentally for the games that well. Now it seems that Reyes and Morton would give any pitching coach migranes but we’re gonna have to get someone else in here to toughen them up a little or alot. Just becuase TP was a good hitter in no way means that he’s a good hitting coach. GET HIM OUTTA HERE!!

By bravelee

August 25, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Steve: RM has no philosophy that we can see, and a ton of injuries under him. If he can’t protect his pitchers by telling Bobby not to overuse them, why is he there? If he can’t get through to them mentally, why is he there? And if anyone is going to defend Morton’s struggles, let’s remember that he’s the best we have coming up. Traded Dan Meyer, Wainright, and then Matt Harrison—and Salty, and Elvis—for the light-hitting Kotchman, mortgaging our future. Gonna be a long few years in Brave country, folks. Get ready.

By flange1

August 25, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Bravesfan79,

Dude you have got a real problem.

Call it “the truth” or whatever you want, but the garbage that you have put on the blog today is nothing but the racist rantings of an ignorant mind.

22ozs, excuse my poor choice of words. I know quite a few rednecks and backwoods country folk that are not racists. Should not have associated those folk with racist scum like Bravesfan79.

But stuck up high class posts? Don’t see that at all.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

bravelee, huh? Jurrjens is 22 and has a very good shot at finishing with an ERA under 4. Campillo came out of nowhere to put together a solid season.

You really want to judge McDowell harshly because Jurrjens and Campillo haven’t performed great in every single start?

The Braves were near the top of the league in ERA for about half the season. Their ERA right now is fairly close to league average even though a lot of their most talented starters and relievers have missed huge chunks of the season.

By One Man's View

August 25, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

O’Brien,

Saw Descent. Not bad. Inconclusive. Dark scences.

By Steve from OH

August 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

bravelee, sorry, but I disagree with everything you said in your 12:58. First of all, how is McDowell responsible in any way, shape, or form for the Tex trade? Secondly, McDowell is supposed to tell Bobby to “stop overusing” his pitchers? Who do you suggest we use to pitch, then? Or would you prefer an extended stint with the DeSalvos and Buenos of the world? Roger is not the manager. He is the pitching coach.

Morton is a bright prospect. So is JoJo. They may never be top-of-the rotation starters, but how many are? Besides, we’ve got Jurrjens and Huddy for that. The simple fact is that Morton and JoJo are young and inexperienced, and while Roger can tweak their mechanics or give them advice on situational pitching, he cannot give them the experience they need to succeed. They can only get that by going out there and pitching. Now is the best time for them to do that.

As for the “lack of philosophy” crap: how do you know? Are you privy to the Braves’ clubhouse like DOB? You say “lack of philosophy” has plagued McDowell’s teams, but I say a “lack of philosophy” would have gotten him “fired” by now. Consider that there has not been an ill word spoken about McDowell from anyone in the organization, from Wren and McGuirk down to Smoltz and DOB.

As for the injuries, I seem to recall Smoltz having four elbow surgeries under Leo’s watch and Steve Avery’s career failing as the health of his left arm did. Besides, we’re going with younger pitchers at this stage of the game and Roger is more suited to dealing with them than Leo, plain and simple. Even Maddux and Glavine would tell you that.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Traded Dan Meyer, Wainright, and then Matt Harrison—and Salty, and Elvis—for the light-hitting Kotchman…

bravelee, huh? Braves traded Meyer in the Hudson deal…you know, the Hudson that already ranks 39th on the Braves’ franchise win list, 16th in winning percentage. They traded Wainright for an MVP-caliber season of JD Drew. They got 157 games of Mark Teixeira for Harrison, Salty and Andrus.

Got to love the over-simplistic analysis of trades by some.

By Steve from OH

August 25, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

But Shaun, don’t forget how awesome Dan Meyer is and how much the scouts rave about Harrison’s future as a bonafide ace.

Simplistic analysis, indeed.

By Efrim

August 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Jason Heyward was promoted to Myrtle Beach for the final week or two of the season. Suprised it wasn’t earlier, but I am sure they don’t want to rush him.

By Brian

August 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Steve- I agree with you on Mazzone, there were plenty of injuries while he was here and in no way was he responsible for the success of Smoltz,Maddux,Glavine,Avery as much as some seem to think. If anything they’ve given more credit to there minor league p.c. Maddux aside. McDowell though-gotta disagree. Yeah, he may be better with younger pitchers,but man, every other start they fall off again. I’d like to think RM is a good one but results are results.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

This is obviously unfamiliar territory to all the college football fans that jumped on the Braves’ bandwagon in 1991.

It had to end sometime. Before 2007 the Braves haven’t had a pick higher that 21st in the draft since 1991. Eventually we had to know their player develop wasn’t going to stay as lucky with young players. We had to know that eventually they weren’t going to be able to over-spend on big-time free agents or there weren’t going to be free agents worthy to sign. We had to know that eventually their star players would age. We had to know that eventually they were going to be on the wrong end of a lot of close games.

Franchises take these pendulum swings. That’s what happens in professional sports. Even the Yankees have never gone through a period where the finished in first 11 times in a row (or 11 times in 12 years; however you want to describe it).

Not saying it’s fun or that fans should be selling out Turner Field and having a blast watching their team struggle. But it’s just silly to think the Braves need to revamp the entire front office staff, manager and coaching staff after 3 years of .484 ball following 11 playoff trips. (There are 10 teams in baseball who have a worse record than the Braves since Opening Day 2006.)

This is far from a situation like the 1970s or 1980s Braves. Or far from the situation teams like the Pirates and Royals have been in.

Not saying the franchise is above criticism but we still haven’t seen a last place finish since 1990. We haven’t seen three consecutive losing seasons since 1990.

This isn’t SEC football where you need a new coaching staff if you don’t make a bowl appearance in after a season or two. Newsflash: Bobby Cox and Frank Wren don’t recruit players.

By DAP

August 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

bravesfan79 greed, selfishness, stupidity

this does seem to describe manny, but these are qualities common the the human race, man. ive known plenty of white people who had the same characteristics. and ive also known white people who dont take care of thier kids. your generalization is unfair to black people who are intelegent, responsible, and law abiding. again, greed, selfishness, and stupidity are not relegated to certain races. thats humanity.

you need to drop it.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Brian, I think maybe we should re-think the definition of a great manager or great coach. So many think that a great manager or coach is one that turns a mediocre player or team into a good one and a good player or team into a great one.

I think a great manager or coach is one that stays out of the way of players, keeps distractions out of the way of players, and allows them to perform to their abilities.

Think back to playing sports growing up. I can’t recall any coach turning players or teams into something they were not. The best players were the ones with the most talent who worked hard enough on their own to be the best. The coach could do little things here and there to help a player realize his talent but the player was the one with the talent and the drive.

By flange1

August 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

Excellent post at 2:01. One of your best ever…..

By MGL

August 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

All the “Leo Lovers” are forgetting what a great job he did protecting Horatio Ramirez and John Thomson from injury. Ther were certainly the durable duo.

By Barrington Garland

August 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

DOB

WHEN WILL YOU ASK FRANK WREN ABOUT COX COMING BACK NEXT YEAR? I DON’T CARE IF HE IS SIGNED FOR NEXT YEAR! BE A REAL JOURNALIST FOR ONCE AND GRANT MY REQUEST! I’M PRETTY SURE THE OTHER BLOGGERS WOULD APPRECIATE THE INSIGHT INSTEAD OF YOUR POSTS’ OF WACK LYRICS.

By glove51

August 25, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Did the Boss play Rosalita?

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Barrington Garland, you know what I’d say if I were Frank Wren and some reporter asked me about Cox coming back: Why wouldn’t Cox be back? What kind of stupid f—-ing question is that? He’s regarded as one of the best managers in the game and he’s led his teams to how many first-place finishes? He’s won a World Series. The players love him. Bobby Cox is our manager. How did you become a professional sportswriter?

By Brian

August 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Shaun- Agreed on your post about what is or is not a great coach but I think with the Braves situation on Reyes and Morton,they have the stuff but not the mentality to succeed consistantly. Some just have it naturaly, others need that push to get over there problems. The Braves need these two for now and the future and I think from what I’ve seen whatever RM is doing is not enough. Gotta do there part too but he’s gonna have to try a different style, I think.

By fsubravesfan10

August 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Reporter. I mean DOB,

what’d you think of last night’s episode of Generation Kill?

By ATXraindog

August 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

DOB Still recovering from last night’s My Morning Jacket show in Austin. Are you gonna catch them on this tour??

It was absolutely phenomenal. They played almost the entire Evil Urges record and a ton of stuff from Z and It Still Moves. They closed their 3 hour set with One Big Holiday.

I can die happy.

By N Nine

August 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

I find it very funny how much attention bravesfan79 gets from everyone..his words are pointless and I stopped reading his stuff halfway through the first blog today!

By Jeff R

August 25, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

So, let’s play “what if” for a minute. What if Wren needs to include Kelly Johnson in a deal to acquire a #2 or #3 starter, and Martin Prado is the second baseman. Is it worth making the deal?

By Threadkiller

August 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

I see Millwood cleared waivers..I also read that the Rangers may move Salty. Just thinking out loud but does anyone think the braves should try to re-aquire Salty or Millwood if he is healthy?

By Blinded by the light...

August 25, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Morton is a bright prospect. So is JoJo.

Morton may have a future.

JoJo is just a shiny tub of goo.

Don’t be blinded by the reflected light.

By N Nine

August 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

jeff R i think most would be more than happy to do that..but who would be the guy? #2 or #3 guy would/should be a pretty big name guy!

By Jeff R

August 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Yep, a #2 or #3 would be a solid name, and Johnson would only be part of the deal. Clearly, no team is going to trade a pitcher of that caliber - or projected at that caliber - just for Kelly Johnson.

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Threadkiller, why would the Braves reaquire Salty? To be a backup catcher? That makes little or no sense. Of the many needs the Braves have, catcher isn’t one. And I don’t think Salty would be content playing once a week as McCann’s backup….

ATXraindog, my brother saw MMJ in Kansas City a couple weeks ago and gave a similar review. I last saw them about six years ago, opening for The Doves, believe it or not….

Glove51, no Rosalita. He did Mary’s Place, which, of course, has a similar vibe and sound….

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Garland: I asked Frank Wren about a month ago about Cox coming back, to see if anything had changed since giving him the extension, etc. Frank said nothing had changed. I don’t ask him week-to-week for a update on that. And the fact that you, personally, want to know will make me less inclined to even bother asking….

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

One Man’s View: What do you mean by “inconclusve” regarding Descent?

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

I wonder if the Braves will lose more than 80 games. Original Jon

Do you mean by the end of August? They’ve got 75 losses now.

By flange1

August 25, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Do you think there is any chance that the Braves add 1 or more of their young pitchers to the 40 man roster to bring them up in September?

Same question with Schafer…

Thanks!

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

fsubravesfan10: I’m two weeks behind on Generation Kill. Gonna watch them on OnDemand this week. That and Mad Men.

By Frank

August 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Threadkiller

Yeah, I’m one guy that wouldn’t mind having Millwood back in a Braves uni. He’d definately be a upgrade over the some of the pitchers we have (Jo Jo, Chuck James respectively).

Glavine, Hampton (yes, Hampton), Millwood, maybe Sheets, and maybe Morton could round out the rotation next season.

By flange1

August 25, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Keep seeing that the Red Sox might be interested in Kotsay. Also see that they are looking at a starter.

Wonder if there would be any chance of trading them Kotsay, Hampton and Ohman for their young ower hitting 1B named Lars Anderson?

I can at least dream…..

By J.D. Phillips

August 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Clearly, no team is going to trade a pitcher of that caliber - or projected at that caliber - just for Kelly Johnson.

That could be said for any single player in the Braves starting line-up except for Chipper and McCann. The two players you do not want to see traded for a quality starting pitcher.

(There are 10 teams in baseball who have a worse record than the Braves since Opening Day 2006.)

This means there are 19 teams that have a better record than the Braves doing this period. Not too impressive either.

By BravesFan79 is a big vat of toxic waste.

August 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Goo is sorry but pretty benign.

BravesFan79 is a big vat of toxic waste.

Also, the amount of insect parts in the vat is above acceptable limits.

By brian

August 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

coaches are supposed to put players in the best possible situation to succeed. Coaches should be able to bring out the best in the players. A good coach can develop young players, stay on the case of people who need it and back off of those who don’t. Do the Braves have these coaches? I don’t know. The coaches have struggled to get players in their most comfortable place to succeed

By ATXraindog

August 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Wow, I bet that was quite the show. Doves had to feel a little intimidated following those guys.

They closed their first set w/ Librarian, Touch Me I’m Going To Scream Pt. 2, Dondante, and Run Thru. Seriously, you should kick yourself in the teeth if you don’t catch them on this tour. I’m just saying.

As for the Bravos, what are the chances they bring Kotsay back? You may have covered this already… I’ve been away from the computer pretty regularly for a week or two now. But it seems like he’s a highly regarded clubhouse presence, and his bat has been almost as consistent as his glove. Does Schafer get a call-up to assess the situation?

By hydee

August 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

DOB-Mary’s Place isn’t even close to Rosalita.

By Hey BravesFan79

August 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Is that you Rush Limbaugh? Hi buddy, love your show.

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

McFann: I’ve answered that one a few times. No, no writers that I know of in any town take the team charter, and haven’t for a long time now, unless it’s really unusual circumstances (Braves let writers take it right after 9/11 when airports were shut down.

Simple logistics: Team leaves on its bus for the airprt about an hour or so after they finish playing last game of a series, and they leave home after the last game of a homestand.

We’re just starting our write-through stories, or our only version of game story on a day game, when they’re boarding their bus for the airport. Team is NOT going to hold its bus waiting for writers to finish their work. And on home games, we don’t generally go out until the next day, the day of the game. That’s an extra night on the road if you leave after the last home game.

On top of that, there’s the simple uncomfortable feeling of being in their space, their charter plane. There’s no one on it but the team, team officials, and sometimes wives on family trips. Throw on a couple of reporters and all of a sudden everyone has to be careful about what they’re saying or doing.

This ain’t quite like decades ago, when writers got bombed with players and never reported on anything they saw players do away from the ballpark.

By George Dickel

August 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

coaches are supposed to put players in the best possible situation to succeed. Coaches should be able to bring out the best in the players… Do the Braves have these coaches?

Don’t need ‘em. Bobby just uses his extra-sensory precep-shun to decide who is a ballplayer and who is not. Once annointed they receive ten-yure. If they happen to be pitchers then they are automatically “lites out” from the git-go. They always pitch better than the line score. And if they are hitters, like Mister Fran-core for example, they are studs who can rake. They should swing early and often. More 3 run homers that way. When they fail, it’s just bad luck - hittin line drives right at people.

Yep. Bobby is a gen-u-wine gene-yus.

hiccup.

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Just thinking out loud but does anyone think the braves should try to re-aquire Salty

Haha…No.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

brian, are the Braves coaches/manager doing a bad job at allowing their players to succeed? I’m not so sure.

Kelly Johnson, Francoeur and Diaz are having down years, obviously. But most everyone else is either playing up to expectations or they’ve been better than expected. Also, how can we know that the players who are below expectations are under-performing because the coaches/manager aren’t doing what it takes to allow them to succeed?

Injuries and being in the wrong side of close games are what cost the Braves this season. How can we be so sure that coaches and managers are the reason these things have happened?

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Hydee, I didn’t say it was half the song. Just said it had a similar sound or vibe. You don’t agree? That’s cool.

By Interested Observer

August 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

I just saw Keith Law on ESPN News and he ripped Doug Eddings a new one. They were talking about the phantom interference he called yesterday that allowed the White Sox to win the game against the Rays.

Law said that Eddings was either corrupt or incompetent and that until MLB figures out why he consistently makes such mysterious calls in critical situations that he shouldn’t be allowed on the field.

I bet Bobby and Johnny Estrada would agree with that!

By JC from UT

August 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Any truth to Boston being interested in Kotsay? What level prospect could we get in return?

By Steve from OH

August 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Brian, in regard to your 1:37 post: I think the “ups and downs” you were referring to about JoJo and Charlie are the products of inexperience. I seem to recall Glavine and Smoltz getting knocked around during their first few years up anyway. There is no substitute for experience when it comes to major league pitchers, and JoJo (and especially Morton) do not have that. In time, my friend. Patience. Unless you’ve got stuff like Tim Lincecum’s you’re not going to become a Cy Young winner overnight.

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

OK, DOB, makes sense.

Sorry for the dumb Q…how stupid of me…shoulda known…

By "Scooter" assistant to Frank Wren

August 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Just thinking out loud but does anyone think the braves should try to re-aquire Salty

Dear Mr. McFann

It looks like the end of your question was cut off.

At any rate, the answer is yes. Frank Wren believes the Braves must acquire more Salty Snacks especially for the relief pitchers. And chocolate pudding is also a priority.

By Brian

August 25, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

remember there is a brian and a Brian. No disrespect brian, just really don’t agree on that post about the coaches

By Efrim

August 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Just saw this on MLB.com from Jim Molony:

Look for the Braves to trade Kelly Johnson this winter as Martin Prado has impressed the coaching staff to the extent that the Braves may be ready to give Prado a chance to be the regular second baseman in 2009. Even if Prado isn’t the guy, expect Johnson to be gone. Offensively, he’s actually proven to be too selective and his power totals have been disappointing.

If Johnson can bring back equal value in a trade, then fine. Considering where this team will probably be next year and possibly in 2010, then sure, trade KJ and give Prado the 2nd base job. But I worry that because the Braves undervalue Kelly, they won’t get as much for him. I mean, wouldn’t it be wiser to keep Kelly and play him at 2nd in 2009 while hoping he gains back some value? He will still be 2 years away from free agency at the end of next season. If he builds his trade value back up, then sell high. The guy had a 275/372/460 line in over 550 PA’s as a 25 year old. He produced in the minors as well. Last year wasn’t a flash in the pan.

By We shall serve no goo before it's time...

August 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

There is no substitute for experience when it comes to major league pitchers, and JoJo (and especially Morton) do not have that. In time, my friend.

Like a barrel of wine, a good vat of goo must be aged with care.

By Frank

August 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

JC from Utah

WHY IN THE HE** WOULD THE BRAVES GIT RID OF KOTSAY?

I swear to God, I mentioned this before…..I’m sick and tired of people dogging on Kotsay and wonder what we can get in return for him.

Look, he may have a bad back, etc and did miss some games this season…..but he’s much better than Andruw was last season and he wants to come back next season.

So why not try to work out a deal and bring him back? Why try to ship out the good players we do have (very few we do have this season) for possibly worse players. Doesn’t make sense to me.

By bryan

August 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

I think we three, Brian, brian, and me, Bryan, must agree to disagree. Somewhat.

By Shaun

August 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Interested Observer, yeah, it was kind of a messed up call.

According to MLB.com’s official rules:

OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.

Did Aybar really “impede the progress” of Pierzynski? Pierzynski stuck his elbow out and lightly brushed Aybar with his forearm, then he tripped over his own feet and was tagged.

By Brian

August 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

If we do trade KJ, I hope we keep Prado but you never really know. I think Prado would bring more but I like him at 2nd in 09’. Wouldn’t miss KJ all that much

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

Interested Observer: I agree with Law on that one. Eddings is an absolutely terrible umpire.

By JC from UT

August 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

FRANK: Why in the HE!! wouldn’tthe braves want to get something in return for Kotsay? Granted the guy is a fine teamate and good player, butbit is fairly obvious he will not be back next season. he wants to play full time and I’m sure he wants more than the $2M the Braves are paying hin.(Remember oaland is paying much more than 50% of his salary).The Braves have 4 legitamate options for CF next season (Schafer Blanco Anderson and Hernandez) So again if Boston is willing to give up a AA or even A level prospect why the HE!! wouldn’t FW try to move him?

By Jersey Gil

August 25, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

DOB* When you finish with Generation Kill Series i want you opinion about the Three Generation of Soldiers. One The “Band of Brother” Series and Second the VietNam Generation,It not a series about this but a few Movies like Hamburguer Hill, Platoon etc. This Generation Kill was Awasome, i think they going to win a lot of Award, more than Band Of Brothers.

By atlGatorfan

August 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Interested article about Atlanta’s sports franchises….

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-forbesmisery041008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I wonder does UGA’s football team count in that as well…..

By Tim Scott

August 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

I SEE SOME OF THE COMMENTS TALKING OF SHOWCASING YOUNGSTERS FOR TRADE BAIT. I THINK THAT IS HOW WE ENDED UP HERE. STOP TRADIN AWAY ALL THE YOUNG TALENT. YOU HAVE TO BUILD FROM WITHIN. HEY IS IT TIME FOR SPRING TRAINING YET. IT IS GOING TO BE FUN WATCHING THESE BABY BRAVES GROW AND MAKE US PROUD. AND THEY WILL JUST WAIT. GO BRAVOS

By sri

August 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Shaun, What do you think of Cox’s in-game strategy (lineup, bullpen match ups, bullpen handling(load), hit and run/stealing bases etc)? I know all these decisions can be second-guessed (especially if we look at individual decisions in past games), so it would not help citing individual examples. Or do you believe these aspects of the game are statistically insignificant, that over the course of 162 games they even out? Do you see any differences in the way Cox has been managing games over the last 15 years? (I have been following the Braves only for the last 6 years).

By Ander's Mom

August 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Hello everyone on the Braves blog.

I would like to ask everyone to be nice to my son Anders. He has not been himself lately. He is very worried about his Mets, God bless them. But the noise is starting to drive him crazy.

I don’t know if you realize it but New York City is a very noisy place. There is round the clock car honking, there are loud garbage trucks, almost every night there are drunken serenades, especially all the Lithuanian immigrants that have moved into the neighborhood and worst of all there is all the early morning construction sounds. No wonder my boy has a hard time sleeping.

Then there are all the dogs barking. Oh, and the Mister Softee trucks playing their little jingle over and over and over again. The same thing all the time. Now I love a Mister Softee as much as anybody but that jingle drives us crazy.

I keep buying lotto tickets hoping to win the money to buy a house in Florida.

Well, enough about my problems, I know you have a lot of problems of your own. Anders tells me that the Braves are not doing very well. So please, be nice to Anders the next time he comes on your blog. Just put yourself in his Keds and imagine that you had to live in this city with all this noise.

By Thrillhouse44

August 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

I think expecting Prado to continue this pace over a full season would be a mistake. I really think KJ will turn it around next year. I also believe “we shall serve no goo before its time” has surpassed its expiration date by about two months.

By Jeff R

August 25, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Thing is, Kelly Johnson is a tradeable commodity, and the team has needs, beginning with starting pitching and including a power hitter… or two. Like him or not, Prado is a credible option at second, and he wouldn’t bring what Johnson is capable of bringing, in combination with another player or players.

Unless Wren can’t structure the right deal, I’ll wager Johnson is gone.

By ncscoots

August 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Last year [for Kelly] wasn’t a flash in the pan.

Efrim, just goes to show that writing for an Internet site doesn’t cure one of short-sightedness. Molony could be a blogger here, LOL.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see Kelly traded, though; not because Prado is superior, but because Kelly has trade value in excess of most other available trade pieces. Just the nature of the beast, unfortunately.

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Here’s a little Irish flavor (live in Dublin) from The Boss

By monty

August 25, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Manny in last night’s game in the 11th inning nonchalantly played a single by SHane Victorino into a double when he lolli-popped his throw back into the infield. Leadoff hitter on 2nd nobody out, next guy walks, Feliz hits it out.Game over. I wonder what L.A. bloggers have to say about Manny today. Are they more laid back than Braves fans?

I watched in uttter disbelef as the Dodger pitchers made short work of Utley and Howard. I didn’t think that was possible, or is it? Obviously not with our pitchers. For whatever reason Philly hitters seem to break out of their slumps when they play the Braves.

By DonCoburleone

August 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

DOB I know that you have recently stated that FW and the organization as a whole are looking to sign some Free Agents that will help them compete in 2009. But in your opinion, do you really believe that if we sign say, Ben Sheets and Pat Burrell that will make the Braves a playoff contender? Cuz I just don’t see it.

Here is my list of things that would have to happen for the Braves to win the NL East in 2009:

(Newly acquired) Ben Sheets and Jurrjens battle it out for a Cy Young.

Chipper plays in 150+ games (and doesn’t regress at all)

Gonzo and Soriano stay healthy all season;

Kotchman and KJ have career years.

McCann has the same 2009 as his 2008 season.

Francoeur has the same 2009 as his 2007 season.

Campillo pitches all of 2009 like he did in the middle part of this year.

Either Boyer or Acosta step up to be a reliable #3 option out of the ‘pen.

A #4 AND #5 starter emerge from within - Morton, Reyes, Hanson, etc…

If all those things happen, I could see this team winning over 90 games. But realistically, what the F are the odds of it actually happening?

By Brian

August 25, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

DOB- We get it, you LOVE Springsteen. How old is he? He’s not my favorite but do like that kinda music.

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Brian: I was answering a few hardcore Boss fans’ questions about the show. Glad you “get it.” How old is he? I’m gonna go out on a limb and say older than you.

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Don C, first of all, I don’t think they’ll get Sheets and might not even get in that bidding, since the Braves have too many needs (in my opinion) to spend such a big portion of their payroll on one starter, like the kind of salary Sheets is going to command.

As I’ve said, I think they need to get a couple of starters; at least one and probably two OFs; a lefty reliever (in addition to Gonzo), and probably should upgrade at either 2B or 1B, which means most likely 2B since I don’t think they intend to give up on Kotchman, simply because he’s struggled in his brief stint here.

By Efrim

August 25, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Scoots

Molony is probably Bobby’s Cox. Just kidding. But anway, I understand Kelly has value and might be a hot commodity, doesn’t that tell ya something though. I don’t know man, I really think we should let it ride for 2009 on a few of our players. Make smart aquisitions through the free agent pool and identify younger “blocked” prospects(like Chicago did with Carlos Quentin) for trades. Also, we should identify those who we shouldn’t trade in our minor league system, which I am sure Frank willl do. I really like Wladimir Balentien from Seattle.

By cabravesfan

August 25, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

DOB-

I know it is a tough situation to make a call on but any word on when Kotchman may rejoin the team?

By brian

August 25, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

as far as pitchers DOB - are you still thinking the Braves may go for Lackey?

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

“Scooter”—

Yeah, uh…what? That wasn’t my question, I was responding to Threadkiller’s Q.

Your post was kinda funny, but your address to me was inaccurate…

By Steve from OH

August 25, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Efrim, nice post at 5:31 (its 5:30 already? Where does the time go?). You’re making a lot of sense today, my man.

A real good point about KJ. Many here say “trade KJ,” but KJ is older than Prado, is going to be making more, coming off a down year, and yet the consensus is that Kelly is better trade bait than Prado. Why? Because he is better at baseball.

Anyway, back to Efrim’s post, letting it ride (with a few shrewd acquisitions) isn’t a bad idea for next season.

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

By the way, Stinger, Johnny 99 and others: I forgot to mention he also did a great version of Cover Me, which he hasn’t done much, and a nod to St. Louis legend Chuck Barry with a classic cover of Little Queenie.

I’ve not seen any other shows on the tour, but had a feeling this one was special (it just felt that way). After going to Backstreets.com and checking out reviews of the other shows and this one, I realized I was right.

Because I know Brian wants more Boss news, here’s the review from Backtreets.com (the bible of Springsteen websites):

August 23 / St. Louis, MO / Scottrade Center “A real humdinger, and I like it like that. As the last notes of “Twist and Shout” died away, the buzz and general consensus was “best night of the tour.” Of course, comparing these final Magic nights to performances from 2007 is like apples and socket wrenches. But no question, St. Louis was a peak performance, with a mind-blowing setlist and the energy to match. As the show stretched to three hours and 15 minutes, with two false endings to “Badlands,” Mighty Max simply tearing up the drums, and three songs after “American Land”… Bruce didn’t want to get off the stage, and the energized crowd didn’t want to let him go….”

OK, Brian, I’ll stop there. The rest of the review and setlist is at Backstreets.com.

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Efrim, Steve from OH—

I agree! Keep what we got, acquire some pitching through the FA market, and just let it ride!

Sounds like a plan!

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

cabravesfan: no indication at all, no inkling of when Kotchman will rejoin team. Cox told him take as much time as you need, and she’s quite ill and he’s quite broken up, according to Bobby.

By Original Jon

August 25, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

Ummm, Yeah DOB, I kinda did mean August, lol. Guess I forgot to put that in there. Theres no doubt that they are going to lose more than 80 games this year, matter of fact, I am going to go out on a limb and guarantee they lose 100 games this year.

Bet on it.

By Brian

August 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

DOB- Yeah, I think he’s mabey a little older. I’m 26- he was probably 26 in 65’. Got a question for ya if you get a chance? Do you think the Braves can trade for an ace without giving up too much? I’m thinking more of Halladay because Jays have pretty good pitching already but they’d probably want a top hitter in our minors. Who would you be willing to give up to get Halladay?

By Yunel Lillibridge

August 25, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

Yes, KJ has tremendous potential, and will may become a 20-25 HR/yr guy in the next few years. However, he’s simply not a 2B. I honestly believe his offensive struggles are a combination of constantly worrying about playing a new posiiton (Thinking too much about making a back-handed play to his right, for example) and batting in the unfamiliar leadoff spot to start the year. I think the latter is why what was once a strength, his patience at the plate, turned into a weakness, being too selective. The question is, are the Braves willing to take that chance of him fullfilling his potential in say, left field? Or do they go with a more proven LF power threat via free agency or trade for next year, and package KJ in a deal to fill another team need. His potential and flashes of greatness at the plate will undoubtedly net them more ina trade than a Prado would.

No knock on Prado at all, as I think he should be the everyday second baseman despite his lack of power (think Lemke and Treadway). Prado is for real folks-He consitently puts the ball in play and has adequate gap power. He didn’t come up just shy of the International League batting title last year for nothing. He’s a hitting fool, and knows how to hit to all fields (in fact probably better and going the other way). His hitting and the fire/spark he plays with are exactly what the Braves need from a full-time 2B.

By Original Jon

August 25, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Here are our records as of August 25th of each year, dating back to 2001.

2001 = 70-58 1st in the division 2002 = 82-47 1st in the division 2003 = 84-46 1st 2004 = 72-53 1st 2005 = 72-55 1st 2006 = 59-68 19 games out, 4th in division 2007 = 67-63 7 games out, tied for 2nd 2008 = 57-74 15 games out, 4th again.

3 Years seems like an awfully long time when you are so use to being on top for so long, doesnt it?

By cabravesfan

August 25, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Thanks DOB

By Steve from OH

August 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Folks, I don’t know if we absolutely need to make a trade this offseason. Every piece we need is available in the free agent market. Now, I do realize that it isn’t feasible to just simply buy every piece we need, but consider this: signing one of Dunn/Burrell/Ibanez and any free agent pitcher makes our team significantly better, IMO. Granted, this isn’t a world-series caliber team, but it’s a step in the right direction. With a little luck (considering our terrible fortunes this season), we could just slip into a playoff berth.

Kotsay is as good as gone, I think, as much as I like the guy. We’ve got enough in-house options (Schafer being my choice) to fill his spot at a reduced cost, and we can probably grab a marginal value for him with a trade before September 1. Kelly, Frenchy, and Yunel will all be better next season. We will also have a healthy bullpen, and with some improvement from JoJo and Charlie…..who knows?

By Steve from OH

August 25, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

cabravesfan, if I remember correctly, a player must stay on the bereavement list for a minimum of 3 days and a max of 7 days. Any longer, and he must be DL’ed, if this helps you at all.

By Jeff R

August 25, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t count on Campillo in the rotation next year. Though he’s tailed off recently, his numbers are good, but they’re ine-season numbers. Remember one-year wonders Sosa and Wright?

I’d say he’s realistically in the running for #5 starter, but is as likely to compete for a bullpen spot.

By ai ai ai

August 25, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

KJ is older than Prado, is going to be making more, coming off a down year, and yet the consensus is that Kelly is better trade bait than Prado. Why?

Because Kelly fits the stereotype of what elderly, unimaginative, baseball management wants to sell you, and Prado does not.

A Homer in the bush is worth 10 singles at hand.

By Frank

August 25, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Steve from OH

The Braves better ship Jo Jo and Chuck James out of town as soon as they can.

They both make me sick especially Jo Jo.

By We work while you sleep...

August 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

and with some improvement from JoJo and Charlie…..who knows?

A new improved industrial strength vat of goo?

Can it be true? Can our engineers work day and night to make this dream a reality…who knows?

By richbrave

August 25, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

DOWN ON THE FARM:

CORKY MILLER goes 10-18 and .556 with 2 doubles, 3 home runs and only one strike out this past week.

Q. Just how big is the gap between AAA and ML ball.?

A. Dammed big.

Just ask CHARLIE MORTON.

The R-BRAVES are struggling mightily to prevent their first to worst scenerio, but are currently still mired in last place in their division, 10 1/2 out with less than a double handful of games left.

JOSH ANDERSON has redeemed himself at the plate now batting well over .300 with a 27 game hitting streak having just ended. I wonder which hitting coach he credits more with the resurrection, TERRY PENDLETON or CHRIS CHAMBLISS.? Or possibly his dad.?

By Nelson

August 25, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

So just now Prado and Infante has been discovered by Cox !!!!!!!! They should be playing as regular long time ago, Prado in 2nd an Infante in left or right and Franchy seated, and still I have to listen that Bobby is the best manager in basaball, what a joke!!!. He only him has sunk this team not the injures or the collection of repaired player that we have!! and worst I don’t see any interest in turn things around for the next year. In the trade for Texeira they should get the cuban prospect Kendry Morales, at least they were saving much more money, anyway that is the main goal now for this organization.

By He comes from the land down under...

August 25, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Peter Moylan is a large tub of roo.

And that’s a good thing. MORE ROO LESS GOO! That’s our stand.

By richbrave

August 25, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

I’m not quite ready to anoint MARTIN PRADO as the BRAVES’ savior at 2 B. Lets see how things go mid-‘09 after a full season in the majors. Quite a few hundred more AB’s will be necessary to convince me. But I will become a believer if he keeps this up once the “book” is passed around on him.

By stupid goo joke guy

August 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

I know! I’ll come up with a half azz fat joke, and then I’ll just revise it over and over and over, in every lame version I can think of!

For months!

It’s SO funny!

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

Richbrave—

10-18? Is that for real? Dang…Just goes to show how big that gap really is. I mean, I’ve always known it was a big gap, but dude…

Nelson So just now Prado and Infante has been discovered by Cox !!!!!!!!

Yeah, they were like, hurt at the beginning of the year.

By Support from folks like you make it all worthwhile.

August 25, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

stupid goo joke guy guy

Thanks for your support. We are working really hard to spread the message. Millions of Braves fans are now aware of the heartbreak of goo.

By Bobby Cox

August 25, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

Nelson son you don’t know what you are talking about!!!!! Frenchy shouldn’t be anywhere near the bench. Love that kid!! Hits liners,just right at people. I didn’t sink this team, and we’re not sunk!!! Hope to have the Corkster back up in Sep. Broke my heart seeing him go to the minors. In my opinion, Desalvo oughta get another shot too. I miss seeing Glav on the mound dominating hitters like he’s done all year. SHAME ON YOU NELSTER!!!!

By George Dickel

August 25, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

At 7:45 PM, that wasn’t Bobby Cox - that was me, the George Dickel speaking. I often speak for Bobby.

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

Ugh…

Cubs are winning…Mets are winning…Fillies are winning…

By Bobby Cox

August 25, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

George Dickel you are a moron!!!! There’s only one B.C. Poor Jojey, can’t catch a break!! He’s our future as far as I’m concerned. Love that kid!! Here is my rotation next year in order—- Glav,JJ,Jojey,Hammy,Chucky. MLB WATCH OUT IN 09’!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Steve from OH

August 25, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

A little tidbit from Bowman’s mailbag on the official website:

The Braves have had struggles this year with hitting and pitching. Is it possible there may be a shake up in the coaching staff? — Steven B. Rentz, Ga.

“Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is at least one change to the coaching staff and I get a sense that the coaches share this belief. But I definitely would be shocked if pitching coach Roger McDowell doesn’t return. His tremendous work ethic has remained the same despite the fact that injuries have forced him to do his job in the face of constant adversity.”

By Bobby Cox

August 25, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

George Dickel you are a moron!!!! There’s only one B.C. Poor Jojey, can’t catch a break!! He’s our future as far as I’m concerned. Love that kid!! Here is my rotation next year in order—- Glav,JJ,Jojey,Hammy,Chucky. MLB WATCH OUT IN 09’!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By StingerSplash

August 25, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

Interested Observer,

I saw that play in question yesterday, and there’s no doubt Pierzynski initiated the contact. Eddings simply got snookered (apparently, it is not that hard to do). He stuck out the chicken wing, like Reggie Miller pump faking and then diving into the leaping defender 25 feet from the basket to draw a three-shot penalty. Hey, at least the NHL has the diving rule now. Maybe the MLB needs a cut that crap out Pierzynski rule.

By Greg in TN

August 25, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

Evening denizens…

A Brave hits for the cycle, the Russians are acting rather boorish and the team has issues pitching, hitting and playing defense. What year is it? 1986, 1987 or 198… What? 2008 you say? Ouch.

Albert Hall’s last remaining claim to fame has disappeared, evaporated into the ether along with the hopes of contention in the 2008 season and there are those on this team that appear to be just playing out the string. I read DOB’s last couple blogs that I’ve missed out on while work and ball and other things have intruded into my blog time, and there are some awfully ominous signs that things are not exactly peachy on Peachtree.

The ‘feel’ of the clubhouse is important to this denizen, so is team chemistry (which I feel is more important than most give credit these days). A vocal leader, who knows how to inspire and motivate goes a long, long way. Chipper is a leader, but being a vocal kind of guy isn’t what he’s meant to be, and there are some guys out there that won’t respond to any other type of guy. It hasn’t been a big issue until recently, when the makeup of the roster moved from very veteran-centric with a few rookies sprinkled into more of a 50/50 mix (and now even moreso with injuries). I believe this team misses a TP circa 1991 kind of guy something awful right now.

Injuries have definitely taken their toll, but also the travails of Jeff Francoeur, Kelly Johnson and Matt Diaz really sapped what could have been a formidable lineup. I believe the best lineups have at least three guys that can take the team on their backs for a week or two and be the spark plug in the offense. Hindsight tells me we have had two (Chipper and BMac). Tex’s slow start didn’t help, and I didn’t see anything that convinced me that he could carry the team on his own. And in fact, he didn’t. Can’t score a lot of runs when all you have most nights are two bats, folks.

JJ certainly has carried more than his fair share of the load in the rotation. It’s amazing that he’s only 22. He pitches like a grizzled vet. Seeing the struggles that Reyes and most recently, Charlie Morton are going through, it makes me appreciate the native of Curacao that much more. Don’t get me wrong, I think C-Mo will be a solid pitcher, maybe even a great one someday. Hopefully Reyes will learn from this year and will build on this. I’m not as optimistic about Chuck James unless he can learn to throw a third pitch consistently.

I believe we’ve got great talent in the farm system. Julio Teheran, Cole Rohrbaugh, Tommy Hanson, Jason Heyward, Jordan Schafer and Jeff Locke among others has me looking forward to the next wave of Baby Braves.

I can’t argue with the sentiment that Frank Wren has his work cut out for him. Two solid pitchers, one (and possibly even two) outfield bats and an upgrade at 2B seems to be the shopping list many are coming up with at this point. Realistically I don’t see Sabathia or Sheets as options since we need two pitchers. It’d be a challenge to get one top shelf starter, let alone two. FW may be able to swing a deal to get a starter along with a free agent signing and that may be the only way the team pulls that off.

The honeymoon is certainly over for Mr. Wren. It won’t be long before he’ll have to roll up his sleeves and go to work constructing the 2009 roster, but this off-season will be different with a larger checkbook than what has been available in years’ past. The hot stove will be delivered to 755 Hank Aaron Drive in early November. Hopefully Frank is storing firewood for it already.

By ND

August 25, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Dave, please do not call us Braves Nation. That term is media driven and does not apply to me, a life long Braves fan.

By GREG IS A NERD

August 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Greg- I just wasted 2 minutes of my life reading things all of us here already know!

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

McCann’s hitting .182 (4-22) with RISP this month…

That’s after hitting .421 with RISP in July.

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

ND, OK, then consider it not aimed at you. You are not part of Braves Nation. There. Media driven, and now it’s been driven away by The Media.

By Greg in TN

August 25, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

No worries, nerd. It only takes two minutes to fill out a Burger King application, so you haven’t lost that much time. Good luck to you, though, and thanks for the feedback. I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed for you.

By Brian

August 25, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Greg, that was a good blog. Sounds like your writing for a paper or somethin’. It was good though.

By richbrave

August 25, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

McFANN:

You sure can pickum’ miss. Your guy just grows and grows. No wonder JOHNNY ESTRADA was shipped out.

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Richbrave You sure can pickum’ miss.

Heh heh, thanks! Yeah, sorry Johnny had to go the way he did, but……

Sure wish Mac would find a way to end this slump, though.

By McFann =Ô=

August 25, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

Grove on the night: 0-4 with two strikeouts. But he is having a great month of August.

Night, all.

By Josh P.

August 25, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

DOB @ 9:21

This seriously made me laugh. Picturing DOB driving a rusted-out clunker with a “BRVSNATN” custom tag off into the sunset.

By Darren

August 25, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Han now Hoss! Take it to Pujols. I haven’t liked that punk since he talked trash about Tommy Glavine in the playoffs a few years back.

By Savannah Guy

August 25, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

Jersey Gil You didn’t ask for my opinion on Gen Kill vs. Band of Bros but I’ll give it anyway (as always on this and any other forum):

Generation Kill was good and a small, realistic, embedded microcosm view of the war in Iraq from the seat of a Humvee… but it never really reached a crescendo or developed characters like it should or could have. Still, it was a very good short series seen through the eyes of a Rollingstone journalist. Pretty good eyes it turned out.

Band of Brothers was (is) a classic WWII series and was so far and away superior to Gen Kill that you can’t really compare the two… from any angle, perspective, critique or aspect of war coverage or filmmaking. They were not in the same league, nor were they intended to be. The talent, direction, script, storyline, production value, cinematography, scope of story and overall portrayal of conflict and personal effect for the troops is not fair to compare. Nor did the budgets compare.

Band of Brothers will stand as a bigger, more thorough and well-done… bigger…story. Generation Kill will be remembered (maybe, hopefully) as a very good albeit small slice and insight into the crude, dysfunctional nature of modern warfare during the current political dysfunction in America.

Both are worthy of any serious war film library.

If you want to see another great, small slice but very intense, personal and realistic film on the Vietnam war? Check out ‘We Were Soldiers’.

By NYJay

August 25, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this

A quote from cnnsi.com

How bad have things gotten for the Braves? Gregor Blanco earned the Sonic Good Play of the Game Wednesday night … for a bunt.

Funny.

By David O'Brien

August 25, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

Dodgers get 13 hits and three walks tonight … and fail to score. The get 13 hits, three walks and get beat 5-0 by the Phils. Wow….

By the way, Andruw is playing some 1B on his latest rehab assignment and might play it some for Dodgers when he gets back, according to Torre.

It was Andruw’s idea, he said it’s easier on his knees (he’s got tendinitis in the other knee, the left one, after having the right one ‘scoped earlier this season, the surgery that put him on DL for about two months).

By Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera

August 26, 2008 12:38 AM | Link to this

Only twice in Major League history has a team gotten 14 hits and been shut out. Dodgers were in some rare futile company tonight.

Their game reminds me a lot of the Braves’ sad offensive performance of May 12 in Pittburgh, when Atlanta got eight hits, Pirates’ pitchers walked six and Pirates’ fielders made four errors, yet the Braves managed somehow to get shut out 5-0 as well.

By ccrider

August 26, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

DOB, Risking widespread blog derision: I know a few years ago the Braves had a “THANG” for Rocco Baldelli. I know of course about his medical disabilities, but I see he is back playing and playing well. He is a free agent at the end of the season and IF the medical reports indicate that he can play a 130 games with his condition, do you think the Braves would take a flyer on him for the left field spot, since it would only cost a modest amount of money and no other compensation. I know it’s a risk and if they bring back Hampton, Glavine and Smoltz it will compound the risk, but I think all these players at the right price could be worth it, as long as we fill our needs otherwise(through our farm system or free agency).

By SeattleBravesFan

August 26, 2008 12:45 AM | Link to this

DOB…I’m in your world today. Just watched ep. 4 of Generation Kill tonight. Love the show. So good. Watched ep. 5 of Mad Men last night, best episode of season 2 by far. And E Street Radio on Sirius has been my channel of choice several times today on my laptop while working. Not a big Springsteen fan by any means. Garry U.S. Bonds is hosting right now. Anyways…Good entertainment stuff today on this day off for my beloved bravos….

By Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera

August 26, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this

Of course, I realize the Dodgers only got 13 hits — they were one hit less pathetic than those other two teams. Still a pretty (un)impressive accomplishment.

By Donnie

August 26, 2008 12:56 AM | Link to this

The In and Out Burger…

By SeattleBravesFan

August 26, 2008 1:03 AM | Link to this

Didn’t mean to say I wasn’t a Springsteen fan. Just haven’t taken much time to listen to him and he’s not really in my typical music category. But listening today has been good. Good stuff…

By Fire Frank Wren and Terry Pendleton

August 26, 2008 1:42 AM | Link to this

Trading Kelly Johnson and making Prado the everyday second baseman sounds last a “We’re a last place team” move.

And this team probably will be in 2009. Thanks to genius moves like that. The same genius that trade Devine for Kotsay, signed old man Glavine and thinks Blanco/Diaz was a viable left field. For God’s sake, Blanco’s OPS is under .700…he’d be a fourth outfield on most teams and only looks good when playing on this team with this outfield.

And no, Wrten did not do the Renteria trade. That was started under Schuerholz. And the Braves will keep Francoeur around and start awful, awful Martin Prado based on his recent August hot surge…something completely out-of-step with his play in 2007, 2006 and the minors. The Braves’ BS PR spin machine is just trying to soften the blow of Johnson’s completely money-related departure…even they don’t believe Prado and Infante are viable everyday players.

Fire Frank Wren.

By N Nine

August 26, 2008 3:28 AM | Link to this

Going to first base huh? A jones knows he has no spot ava. in OF. But he could be loney’s backup..he’s doing well in minors..then again so is corky!

“Jones is batting .385 in four games at Las Vegas, with two home runs and two strikeouts in 13 at-bats.”

Sounds like Las Vegas has found their center fielder!

By johnr

August 26, 2008 4:14 AM | Link to this

Bring back LEO. This swoon started when he left.

By ncscoots

August 26, 2008 6:26 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, are you aware that Joe Galloway pens a syndicated column these days? He can still wordsmith, that guy. He recently lamented the passing of Ed Freeman, one of the helicopter pilots who kept flying into LZ XRAY during that battle. Freeman and Ed Crandall were belatedly awarded the Medal Of Honor a few years ago for their actions.

Galloway told a great story about the two arguing on who of the two was the better pilot. Crandall told a dying Freeman that he, Crandall, would prove his point by lowering his buddy’s casket into the grave from a hover. That kind of bond, those kind of men…as long as America can produce that, we can survive anything else.

By semiballcoach

August 26, 2008 7:08 AM | Link to this

several of the men from we were soldiers still live in columbus

By Stephen

August 26, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

Bobby Cox has got to go….he is the most overrated manager in baseball. One run games are one of the best measuring sticks for a manager’s aptitude. You just need to look at the Braves’ record in those games to tell you how inept a manager Bobby Cox is.

By Savannah Guy

August 26, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Scoots, I’m aware that Galloway was doing a column, as of a several years ago anyway, but I haven’t followed him… probably should. I know he was/is pretty miffed at Bush. Anyway, I bought the book shortly after seeing the movie and hate to admit I still haven’t read it. So many books, such little time I suppose. That was a good story you recalled about the chopper pilots.

Agreed, with men like them and Lt. Gen. Hal Moore we’ll be fine. So, now you’ve left me with quite a cliffhanger… did Crandall get to lower Freeman to his final resting place from a hover?

Semiballcoach, I hope those men have good lives in Columbus. No matter how much we appreciate them, recognize them, thank them and honor their service, it’s never going to be as much as our fighting troops from all wars deserve for sacrificing and putting it all on the line for us. Politics be damned, they were all heroes… and young.

By McFann =Ô=

August 26, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Huh, the Tornado Warning for Turner Field just expired…

Hopefully that means the Braves won’t get blown away tonight.

By McFann =Ô=

August 26, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

SG Politics be [darned]

AMEN!!!

they were all heroes… and young.

AMEN again!

By David O'Brien

August 26, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

One run games are one of the best measuring sticks for a manager�s aptitude.Stephen

Not to comment on your evaluation of Cox or anything else, but just curious about this part of your statement, about one-run games as a barometer of managerial ability. Is this just your opinion, or have you actually heard anyone in the game make this statement?

(Reason I say this is because I think if you look at one-run records of teams, a lot of what you’d consider “good” managers have pretty poor one-run records in a lot of seasons, and some fairly nondescript managers have good one-run records. Again, I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with your statement about Cox, just questioning whether one-run records are much of a measuring stick.)

By Big Easy

August 26, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, while I have not seen Generation Kill, I must agree with your assessment of Band of Brothers. That series is probably the best depiction of war that I have ever seen, when it comes to all aspects of war (training, camaraderie, fighting, fear, improvisation on the battlefield, death, etc.). Hanks and Spielberg did a tremendous job putting that together, and trying to make it as accurate as possible (and, yes, I know it isn’t 100% accurate, but it is close).

I also loved We Were Soldiers. Again, that was an amazing depiction of the life of a soldier. And a funny thing about that: the former regional manager where I work was a Colonel in Vietnam, and served with some of those guys. I always wanted to read his copy of the book, because he had made notes in the margins about experiences he had had in those places, or with those men. I thought it would be a very interesting read. But, alas, he retired before I could borrow it.

I’ve never been in the military, but that does not diminish my respect for those men and women, and what they do to protect us and our freedoms. They are true heroes, no matter what your political affiliation.

~E~

By DAP

August 26, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

i watched quite a bit of the dodgers game last night. i understand that this is jeff kent’s last year. also, furcal will be a free agent, and they dont really have any players that are good for full time at SS or 2B. they could be a trade match. kelly johnson and brent lillibridge for matt kemp? we have many many middle infielders we could trade to them in some combination. matt kemp plays CF for them, and the only bad thing about him is that he strikes out alot. would they trade him? he is a very good player, and would be perfect for us.

By NotaAtlantafan

August 26, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Listen to you people. What decent ball player would want to come to ATL. You fans are about the most clueless I have ever seen. SO good to hear from all you ex-players…I bet all most of you ever did was follow around us real players trying to smell our jocks! Again CLUELESS.

By Original Jon

August 26, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Hey Dave Got a question for you. Do you think the injuries to our pitchers this year were flukes or was it merely a coincidence that so many of them got injured? Are they using a different routine than before, maybe not pitching in between starts like they use to when Mazzone was the pitching coach or are they doing things exactly the same?

The reason I ask is because, if I were an injury prone pitcher such as Ben Sheets(not saying we are getting him or anything), would I be inclined to sign with Atlanta after the rash of injuries to their pitching because maybe their workout program isn’t what it use to be, or do I think it was just a fluke and maybe give it a shot.

How heavily do you think the amount of injuries to Braves pitchers will weigh on the minds of free agent pitchers possibly thinking about coming to Atlanta, or do you think it wont have any affect at all.

Just curious as to what you think.

By Lee in S GA

August 26, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

It appears one of the best moves the Braves have made lately is not attempting to resign Andruw Jones during the past off-season. With the direction this team has taken this season he would have been like icing on the cake. I do however hope he gets healthy and shows signs of the old A.J. of past; which really seems like an eternity ago these days.

By Dan

August 26, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

I think the Braves are good and ready to trade Johnson. That I don’t completely mind as long as they get good value back. I just hope Wren/Bowman/DOB/Cox/etc. spare us this “we think Prado and/or Infante are great hitters and would make all-star-level everyday players” garbage.

I can’t wait until next season when Johnson is tearing it up with a potential new team while the dynamic duo of Prado and Infante are unanimously looked upon as the worst offensive second base production in the NL in 2009. It will make Wren look even smarter….

By DAP

August 26, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

this post from yesterday on MLB Trade Rumors talks about trading kelly johnson . make sure you read the comments below the post. alot of them are about kelly. i think kelly will be traded, because i think the braves are deep at midle infield and have needs elsewhere. im very interested to see what we get for him. but, i hope wren waits for a good offer. if we cant get something good, i would definetly hang onto kelly.

By beekay

August 26, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Question: If we sign more than one type A or B free agent do we lose multiple picks? If we sign two A free agents and don’t lose any of our own, how are we penalized if we only have one first round pick? With the money we have to spend I’m hoping we go after 3 high end free agents. The only FA I see us losing worth value is Ohman…not sure how Kotsay would be classified.

By Shaun

August 26, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Shaun, What do you think of Cox’s in-game strategy (lineup, bullpen match ups, bullpen handling(load), hit and run/stealing bases etc)? I know all these decisions can be second-guessed (especially if we look at individual decisions in past games), so it would not help citing individual examples. Or do you believe these aspects of the game are statistically insignificant, that over the course of 162 games they even out? Do you see any differences in the way Cox has been managing games over the last 15 years? (I have been following the Braves only for the last 6 years).

I don’t really seen any significant difference in Cox’s managing style over the years. But it’s pretty hard to take inventory of every little decision that could possibly affect the outcome of a game over a 15-year span. Also, I think decisions usually do even out over 162 games, for the most part. If a manager is terrible, I do think it would be obvious—he would maybe forget to warm up a pitcher or maybe he would call for steal attempts or bunts over and over again at inopportune times or things like that.

By Robert R. Gunn

August 26, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

You should have seen him in Charleston Aug. 16th. Opened with “Double Shot (of My Baby’s Love)”…and it built from there.

By Shaun

August 26, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

sri, regarding your 4:45 PM post from yesterday, I have not noticed any difference in Bobby Cox’s managerial style. But it’s hard to recall enough crucial decisions over a 15-year span to make a definitive judgment about Bobby Cox.

Also, I do think for the most part a lot of managerial decisions even out over the course of 162 games. Sure there are probably some managers that are obviously horrible—they hit-and-run way too much or they call for steals and bunts at inopportune times consistently or things like that. I don’t think any major league manager makes perfect strategic decisions 100 percent of the time and I don’t think any major league manager makes horrible strategic decisions every single game. I think strategically most managers who reach the majors do decent job with strategy, some better than others, but most are somewhere in the middle of always making great strategic decisions and consistently making terrible strategic decisions.

By Shaun

August 26, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

oops. didn’t mean to post twice about that. Didn’t think the first one worked.

By Lee in S GA

August 26, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Dan

If Johnson is traded to a team with an good offensive line-up it would not surprise me to see him have a break-through type of year as a hitter. K.J. does not appear to be the type of guy that can carry an offense, too streaky at times. I think could however he could end up being a very good hitter. It will be interesting to me if he is traded if the opposing team will keep him at 2nd or move him back to the outfield.

By Jersey Gil

August 26, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy How are you dude…long time….I agree totally with you , i think Band Of Brother is the Best Mini Series ever. Let me tell a true Story, I served in Vietnam, with the 1/506 101St Airboene Division….yes the same Battallion of the Band Of Brother , but different Time. It a web side for the 1/506, just google it and see my name there. Generation Kill is different, agree with the Language, they used shorter work (LT,IED,TW etc) i was talking with my wife about it and she agree.Yes i saw We Were Soldiers, with Mel Gibson, that really a Movie about the Creation of the first time of A Airmobile Division (First Calvalry Div), then the 101 Airborne also have a Airmobile.

By DAP

August 26, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

does anybody think we cold trade some middle infielders to the dodgers for kemp?

By Brian

August 26, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

NotaAtlantafan- Notice that you didn’t write what team you are a fan of. You must be worried what we’ll have to say about your team. Prabably Mut/Phillies fan. Dude, YOU SOUND IGNORANT!!!! By the way, you might be surprised who will want to play here.

By 18 Wheels of Love

August 26, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Re: Generation Kill

Dob, if you haven’t already seen the last episode, you are going to love it. Great final song to end the show.

I’m Oscar Mike…

By David O'Brien

August 26, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

NEW BLOG IS UP. Let’s make it worthwhile.

By David O'Brien

August 26, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

hey Dan, why don’t you quit putting words in people’s mouths? I never said Prado or Infante should even be an every-day player, much less that they could be All-Stars. Use someone else if you want to fabricate crap, OK? Not me.

Thanks.

Can you guys believe Dan said Pujols was an overrated, average player? (Oh, he didn’t say that? Well, someone did, probably, so I’ll say Dan said it.)

By cooper

August 26, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

The one run game stats and Bobby don’t look great in terms of his legacy but when every pitcher and substitution you make blows it is hard to win close games.

For the past 3-4 years he has had more decoys than truly great impact players under his management.

That said late inning strategy and post season performance is where managers can distance themselves from the pack especially when the don’t have AS players at every position.

In this area (more late game stuff than post season) BC has struggled in some cases mightily even when he had some of the best players in the league.

The 14 flags were amazing but if the goal is to win or at least get to a WS then BC doesn’t have great stats re: chances goven and getting to the WS.

He had more chances than all of his peers during the 14 year run and as only able to get to the WS twice and win it once.

Even then you cannot beat on the guy for putting his team in the position to get a ring 14x in a row.

But as they say that is all in the past. We cannot judge BC on what he did 10 years ago or even 5.

We have to look forward and realize every manager good and bad eventually rides off into the sunset.

BC sunset is very close and if not in 2009 then in 2010.

By Money Talks

August 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cox needs to take control of the team. He needs to get back to basic baseball such as sacrifice bunting, situational hitting, patience at the plate, holding men on base, hitting cut-off guy, etc. If the Braves are to be a winning team, the items listed above must be addressed.

By steve

August 26, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

I have been a Braves fan since they moved to Atlanta and am terribly disappointed in the effort I see on the field this year. It seems as if the players have no heart and you see no excitement in them to be playing a game for a living. Oh to be so talented as to play for a living. These guys don’t realize how fortunate they are. It seems to start with the leader lol, Chipper who refuses to hustle and seems to have no interest in whether they win or lose. I am tired of excuses and less than full effort and feel that as long as Bobby is the manager and enabler that we will never be any better than we are now. We need someone to step up and take charge. Someone to say this is how it is going to be done and if you can not give total effort then have a nice life elsewhere. I love the Braves and have been through much with them but it is time for Chipper and Bobby to go and anyone else who is not willing to give maximum effort!

By PaulWinchester

August 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

I love the Braves despite their pitiful record and their losing tendancies. The Braves seemed to have developed the disease loseitis as they are stuck in a losing funk that seems as though its going to go on through eternity. In spite of their pathetic, anemic losing ways, I still love Bobby Cox and Chipper Jones and the gang and we will continue to root for you even if you lose them all!! In fact, Ill go on record and say if you finished 0-162, I would still buy season tickets and watch every inning of every game because Im doing it for giving me 14 straight division titles irrespective of what the team is currently doing. I simply dont care what the Braves are doing as long as I can hang my hat on 14 straight division titles, a feat that is unequalled in all of sports, and what will never ever be accomplished again by any team in pro sports. Yeah, guys, winning 14 straight division titles is the one thing I will remember most about Atlanta Braves history.