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By Bobby's Cox

August 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

JF’s 2008 K/BB: 2.83

2007 K/BB: 3.07

I almost guarantee that by the end of the year, 2.83 goes up, not down.

For example, if Francoeur K’s in his next 5 AB before drawing a walk, his K/BB will be 3.0 (90/30), almost the same as it was last year. With Harden pitching tonight, I like those odds.

Anyone feel different?

By Wayne in Utah

August 12, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

In the 6th inning on Sunday, right before Jeff bounced into an inning ending DP, why was Infante swinging at the first pitch, when Webb had walked 2 of the 3 previous batters?

Oh, and by watching the game Sunday, I finally figured out what Francoeur’s problem is: He isn’t hitting worth a damn!

By Cecil34

August 12, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

That ol’ Skip was a good one - I have had several adult beverages in the last week dedicated to his memory….

Mac is a hitting machine, and he is only going to get better…McFann will kill me but after the Kotchman experiment is over, Mac to first!

Charlie is going to get better too - I can remember Glavine getting a beat-down in Cincy in the late 80’s and thinking “what is this guy doing”, so I just have to wait Charlie out too.

He will be A-ok.

By patrocket

August 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

DOB, surprised nothing out of Ted Turner regarding Skip. Any thoughts?

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the new blog, Chief!

And thanks a bunch for those stats on BMac. Nice! I love the way he’s been playing—especially lately. Hey, I’m with him: It ain’t over yet!

He’s just gotta get on base in 9 more consecutive games to break his career high 26-game on-base streak! (That was set in 2006, when else?)

Twice as many walks as K’s in his past 21…gotta love that! More RBI than games played…and of course, you can’t forget the stolen bases!

I love it when guys “practice what they preach”, so to speak. It’s nice when they don’t just Talk the Talk, but Walk the Walk as well.

So let’s see…fifth?

By Hijo de la patria mexicana

August 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Tercero?

By TennesseePaul

August 12, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Bobby: With Harden pitching tonight, I like those odds. Anyone feel different?

Yes. I feel different. Francoeeur has had a terrible season and it has frustrated me considerably. But I’m not excited about JF striking out in an up coming game. I don’t revel in his failure. It doesn’t please me to seem if struggle. And it will not please me if he eventually struggles his way out of the game.

So yes, I feel differently. I feel like I want him to turn it around and do better. I’ll continue to hope for that.

By KyleH

August 12, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

I heard on the old blog about kotchman not performing and that he needs to be more productive. Well hes no Tex, but hes struck out…what, like 3 times in 12 games. Putting the ball in play that much only means good things. Hes bound to get hot soon. We havent seen any power out of him yet in Atlanta but im sure it will come.

Now about the offseason, what would you do if you were Frank Wren? Would you settle on taking a chance on an often injured frontline starter or would you pay top dollar for CC Sabathia and his ability to go late into games. What kind of power bat will be aquired? I dont see anything too desirable right now. Thoughts?

Finally once we get a frontline starter our rotation could be: 1. Frontline Starter (CC or Sheets or Lackey) 2. Smoltz (if Smoltz doesnt return then we need to aquire another starter) 3. Jurrjens 4. Campillo 5. Morton or Reyes or Hampton or Glavine

The more i think about it if next years braves put themselves in contention, How big of a playoff boost would it be to get Hudson back? That would definatly push this team over the top.

By 18 Wheels of Love

August 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

You’re worried about Infante swinging at a pitch after the guy had just walked two guys ahead of him? I’m not worried about Infante one bit - guy can do what he wants right now cause he’s knocking the cover the off the ball. General rules of baseball go out the window when you are in the zone and the fastballs look like beach balls.

Different story with Frenchy. He’d be better of not taking the bat off his shoulders. And if were management I would send him to AA because it is obvious that Bobby is going to run him out there if he is available. I don’t understand it but Bobby has earned that right. Having said that, I don’t agree with it.

Still loving the Beck CD. Great stuff as always. One of my fav’s and glad I saw him in Charlotte in 93 or 94 or maybe 95. Fuzzy time period for some reason.

DOB, Any odds we pull of something with Tampa for a young starting prospect for Kotsay type of deal??? Seems like the timing might be right. I’m thinking one trade before the season is over…trade for a nice starter like a Harang or Halladay…and then sing a nice FA starter (not CC or Sheets - some actually worth what we will pay them).

By KyleH

August 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

So let’s see…fifth? McFann

wow that was a good call.

By StingerSplash

August 12, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Do you really think Milo Hamilton (former Braves voice, by the way) is going to vote for Skip, given the enmity between them over the last several years? I think it all stems from a comment Milo made once about Harry Sr. and Skip, understandably, took umbrage.

By Alan

August 12, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Great job as always, DOB. The Skip/Chip story is hilarious. I’ve been around a long time, and when I was a kid I listened to games on the radio all the time. Skip Caray was a terrific baseball broadcaster, and he rates with the best ever. Not just his distinctive voice and his humor. He had insight and he treated the game as just that — a game, not life-and-death. Vin Scully was (and still is, amazingly) the absolute best. Mel Allen (long-time voice of the Yankees) was second, in my opinion. Then there’s Ernie Harwell, Bob Prince, Harry Caray, Russ Hodges, Milo Hamilton, perhaps a small handful more. Then there’s Skip. I remember when the Ford Frick voting was announced a year ago, and I wrote here that we all should vote for Skip and Pete and Ernie (as good a trio as ever worked together) because they all deserve it. They all still do, of course, but now we have to do it for Skip and his family. It’s a shame he’s no longer with us, but now is his time for sure.

By Wayne in Utah

August 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Yeah, good baseball sense says that everybody should take one if the pitcher is on the ropes, and has walked 2 of the 3 previous batters. I don’t give a damn if the guy is hitting a ton. His sacrifice fly wasn’t what we needed trailing 6-0.

Now, I am not saying Infante is a bad hitter, but in my book, he never gets a green light on that first pitch.

And Francoeur gets pinch hit for in that situation too.

By Goodoleboy58

August 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Man I hate that we have to face Harden today… Last 3 games..

Haren Webb Harden

ouch

By DAP

August 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

mccann is turning into a real team leader before our eyes this season. he still isnt great in an interview, but on the field, he is a great leader. i think hanging around chipper alot this season is helping become THE MAN on this braves team.

By Bobby's Cox

August 12, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

I still get chills when I hear this:

Skip

Most dramatic moment I remember as a brave fan. A hit you could go to the Series, and an out your season is done. Does it get any more dramatic than that in a game 7? That’s my favorite Skip call.

Thanks Skip for the childhood memories.

Oh yeah, I still get the bumps when I hear the World Series call too. Felt on top of the world after that moment, a feeling I wouldn’t feel again until I started dating.

By lewie

August 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

one helluva story by chip…that one got a laugh out of me

the team has been playing a bit better of late, which is nice to see, but i have no idea what we’re going to do this offseason.

our OF needs help in the worst way as does our SP…lost of holes to fill

By VaBravesfan

August 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

The DOB story about Skip is exactly why you shouldn’t drink and drive. You might hit a bump and spill your beer.

By lewie

August 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

mac/heap is a beast

i love the way the kid plays and i esp love his approach to hitting…he’s up there to do work

By Interested Observer

August 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

For those of you without access to Peachtree TV, the game is on WGN tonight. It’s better than nothing!

By GeorgetownKid

August 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Mr. O’Brien,

I have tried to ask you this on earlier blogs, but I don’t think you saw them. I have a quick question for you about Charlie Morton. Several of your quotes of Morton have him saying things like “this was a good outing, especially for somebody like me who doesn’t have much confidence.”

You also refer to him as “amiable” and “smiling sheepishly.”

In stories, he frequently refers to the fact that he does not have much confidence, which I view as an odd thing to say about oneself.

From how you protray him, both in your stories and on this blog, he seems like a genuinely nice guy who is very mild-mannered, but he seems like a real shinking violet (so to speak).

While a great guy to sit next to on a plane, this doesn’t seem like the make-up of a big-time pitcher.

My question is, am I correct in my perception? What is your take on the guy?

Thanks!!

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Kyle H—

Thanks!

Cecil34—

Erg…But a good-hitting first baseman is much easier to find than a good hitting catcher…Give Kotchman time! He’ll work it out! Remember, this is a new league for him!

DAP—

You said it at 3:23! Haha…Yeah, gotta work on those interviews a little…He seems nervous to me. I bet he wasn’t on the debating team in school…

A real leader on the field, for sure! I’ve really noticed this year—he and Chipper seem real close.

BMac is THE MAN for sure!

(Yeah, even you gotta use caps on that one ; > )

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Wayne And Francoeur gets pinch hit for in that situation too.

Definitely.

By flange1

August 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Thanks for the new blog and the Skip stories.

It is still hard for me to get my arms around that he is gone…

On a more positive note, was in the famous Ella Guru today, the single best CD/Record?Music store in our fair city when Don got the GREAT news that he will be relocating soon!

That is great news for music lovers in Atlanta and all over the Braves nation.

Don is a great guy and is offering a great deal to “clear” out some inventory so go by and say hello and buy some great music.

Look forward to seeing Charlie Morton tonight, I have a feeling it will be another good outing. Love to see us light up the Cubbies…

By La Jolla Dawg

August 12, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

LOVE that song. Great choice DOB.

By chc4

August 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Any chance we still trade Ohman? I’m assumung we’ve put our tradeable assets on waivers and I haven’t heard that any were claimed.

By N Nine

August 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Mccann has showed all of us what he’s made of. A true CORNERSTONE for sure. He has rised in everyway this year. I’m so happy braves locked him up and did not with FRENCHY. actually FRENCHY was dumb/co**Y to not accept similar deal! His loss.

mlbtraderumors is explaining A Pujols Elbow is barking again. Wonder how that will effect Chippers 08 BA Title. Looks like Pujols will play—but will he start falling on his BA? could. Chipper will find a way to win it this year.

Im worn out on Frenchy. he’s taking too much attention from everyone(thx Cox). I just hope Anderson comes in and take over RF. Use Frenchy on pinch hit/run situations. He’s a GOTAY with an arm to me at this point.

DOB thank you for the great Chip story. Someone was saying a skip statue? I think that would fit the Ted very well. Any word on that Dave?

HALL-OF-FAME (baseballhall.org) Everyone should vote for skip and flood that site as much as possible Skip will never be forgotten! Countdown to Sep. 1st

I really believe all of us right HERE will make this happen! I HAVE NO DOUBTS

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Lewie at 3:35—

Couldn’t agree more!

By Cecil34

August 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

McFann

Don’t worry, I am going to give Kotchman time to develop and no negativity from me on his work so far.

But I sure would like to see what numbers Mac could put up playing 150 games or so.

I have only your best interests at heart ;-)….

By Randall

August 12, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Chip’s impression of his father’s voice was awesome—one of the best I’ve ever heard.

By Wayne in Utah

August 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

A few days ago, I was thinking about the roster, and couldn’t for the life of me figure out why we still have Ruben Gotay on the roster???

We have our designated 2nd base back in Prado. (Gotay truly only plays one position)

We have Infante and Prado for our infield backups. Norton can play first and third in a pinch.

Wouldn’t we be better served with either Anderson or Lillibridge? The potential upside on these two guy is much greater than Ruben Gotay’s. If we want them playing more, then bring them up and play them….. it’s not like we are really going to win anything this year anyway.

By beachcomber

August 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Just finished watching the Skip tribute on the web - just wonderful.

My Skip story - he added a phrase to our household lexicon. He said it so many times over the years - when my wife or I say something that the other agrees with - just like Skip, the reply is “Right you are, Joe Simpson.”

Just wish like someone above that Ted Turner - and Don and Ernie could have been part of the tribute to a great broadcaster.

May we all respond to DOB’s call to arms above and vote when the balloting for the Ford Frick Award begins next month and put Skip where he should have been 10 years ago - in the Hall.

By DAP

August 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

kotchman is a pretty good player, but he isnt yet the type of hitter we need right now. this team needs a big bat realy bad. honestly, i thought before this year started that frenchy was going to step up and become the big bat we needed him to be. as it is now, we need a middle of the order hitter. it is not going to be easy to find.

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

N Nine—

I can’t tell you how happy I am that the Braves signed McCann to that long-term deal. [Deep, happy sigh] I cann still remember seeing that headline on the Braves’ website that day, 3/22/07…

But yeah, Francoeur’s the one who didn’t take a similar deal. It’s not like the team didn’t try to lock him up. And I think he knows that…

Im worn out on Frenchy. he’s taking too much attention from everyone

So true. I’ve felt that way for some time now.

Cecil34—

I know you are. I’d like to see McCann’s numbers in that much playing time, too. But don’t you think what he does is a little more special coming from the catcher’s spot?

I have only your best interests at heart ;-)….

Yeah…: )

By Kentavo

August 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Yikes. Let’s see Harden will strike out at least 10. And Charlie - hmm, the Cubbies are no Diamondback hackers.

I see DeRo getting some revenge big time with some timely hits against his old mates.

What Braves fan wouldn’t want him back in a super utility role?

By NCBravesFan

August 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

N Nine - all you need to know about Pujols and his prospects for staying healthy is that he is on my fantasy team, as is (or was): Tim Hudson, Joba Chamberlain, David Ortiz, Carlos Lee, Johnny Damon, Yunel, Carlos Lee, Erik Bedard, Matt Capps, Rafael Soriano, JJ Putz, Ryan Zimmerman and Rafael Furcal.

I should rename my team the Angels of Death.

By flange1

August 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Interesting items today:

Tigers sign Freddie Garcia

Red Sox trade for Paul Byrd

Red Sox may be interested in Mork Kotsay since they did not get Brian Giles.

I kind of agree with Wayne in Utah, trade Kotsay, dump Gotay and bring up Lillibridge and either B Jones or J Anderson.

By truefan

August 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

I had heard that the distain that Skip held toward Milo Hamilton stems from back in 1974 when Milo and Ernie Sr. did the Braves radio broadcast. Milo insisted on being on the mic everytime that Hank Aaron came to bat when he was chasing 715. So that his voice would be the one that made the historic call. Even though Skip was not doing Braves games yet he held that against Milo. Skip thought so much of Ernie Johnson Sr. that Skip let Ernie do a couple of his innings on radio during the 1991 World Series. He knew how long that Ernie suffered with the Braves through all of those losing seasons. He wanted Ernie the enjoy the World Series success. Just another story that shows what a loyal friend Skip was.

By Brian McCann is fired up!

August 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Brian McCann… keeps saying how the Braves aren’t mathematically eliminated and that they’ve still got to play every game to win, for themselves, for the fans, for the team, etc.

For the city. For the county. For the Confederacy. For the Continent. For the Hemisphere. For the Planet. For the Solar System. For the Galaxy. For the Universe. For all possible Universes. For whatever was there before the big bang, if “there” has meaning, etc.

By Coach (Francouer,sliding into oblivion)

August 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

By the month:

April, 3 HR 19 RBI .273 BA .464 SLG

May, 3 HR 14 RBI .236 BA .373 SLG

June, 2 HR 8 RBI .206 BA .314 SLG

July, 1 HR 6 RBI .220 BA .293 SLG

August, 0 HR 2 RBI .118 BA .118 SLG

Francoeur leads the team in at bats, games played, while he is 4th in runs scored, sixth in hits, tied for fifth in RBI’s and seventh in walks compared to his own teammates.

Will someone please explain to me why I shouldn’t just believe that Bobby Cox is patently insane?

By No Game Tonight?

August 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

The forecast for metro Atlanta calls for a 50 percent chance of afternoon thunderstorms Tuesday, increasing to 90 percent Tuesday night…

By Cliff

August 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

No, the real issue with Milo Hamilton was that he put out a book about 3 years or so ago (and about a year after Harry , Sr. died) that laid into Harry. It called him a mean ornery obnoxious person that had a charade of a nice guy thing going. When it is about your father, isn’t flattering, and he isn’t around to defend himself, that is low.

Even IF what Milo said was true, it wasn’t right.

By Pip

August 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Skip was a trip!

By Bobby's Cox

August 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul

I’m not saying I root against Frenchy. Never have rooted against a Brave player.

Just saying that the K/BB ratio put up by Frenchy this year can’t be though so highly of, and has no indication of improvement at the plate in regards to his approach whatsoever.

Shaun is making it seem like Frenchy is making strides this year, where I see him as taking 2 giant strides back.

his improved approach has taken away some of his power is what Shaun said. I don’t see any improved approach. Read my post from last blog if you will to see the stats. But i’m not even talking stats. I really don’t SEE any improvement in his approach, and i don’t need contacts.

5 more K’s by Frenchy before getting a walk, and his K/BB ratio is pretty damn similar to last year. 7 more K’s without a walk and it’s the same. 8 more and it’s worse.

The hard reality is that’s entirely possible.

By brent a.

August 12, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

because Rob Neyer says that Jeff Francoeur is just “unlucky”, and Neyer should know, because he lives in Oregon, is a Royals fan, and most of all, he works for ESPN.

By Couch Tater

August 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah

RE: Your 4:13

You had a lot of time to think during that drive back to Utah after that crappy game you saw. lol (sorry)

By OrlandoFan

August 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

I sent around a link to the blog and defied several folks not to laugh at that lead anecdote about Skip. In fact, I laugh just thinking about laughing. It was very, very funny.

By Mike Hampton Update

August 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

After his last frustrating outing, Mike decided to treat himeself to a Monday afternoon at the day spa. He had his toenails done and got a full brazilian bikini wax. He feels marvelous.

By Joe

August 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

Sheffield was waived by Tigers we need him

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Francoeur out of lineup, second time in three days. Blanco’s in RF again.

Rain is starting already, cut off batting practice while Braves were out there. Probably gonna be tough to get this one in, but no word yet on when it might start.

Shame it’s tonight, with all the Skip tribute stuff planned between innings and before game.

By woogidy

August 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

DOB, What are the chances the Braves play tonight? Looks like rain…

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

Flange1, I hear same thing about Red Sox discussing Kotsay. He’s a Red Sox-type guy, great in the clubhouse, professional at-bats, fundamentally strong OF, all that.

But Braves aren’t just gonna give him away, I don’t think. They haven’t ruled out bringing him back, and I know Kotsay would like to play here again, if he doesn’t get a chance to play closer to home.

By N Nine

August 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

NCBravesFAN very funny..I believe Pujols was hurting before season too. If he does STOP playing that would hurt chipper’s chances..his BA would not move

By Robert S

August 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

Joe, why do the Braves need a washed up, 39-year-old, overpriced outfielder who can’t even play his position anymore? Even Jim Leyland, his manager in Detroit, admits as much. Unless Detroit covers a good chunk of his salary this year and next ($14 Million!!), no one’s gonna touch him, certainly not the Braves.

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

GeorgetownKid: regarding Morton. Yes, he’s very nice, extremely mild mannered. Wouldn’t call him a shrinking violet, though. He’s just a different guy than you normally run across in his profession. But he’s quite smart, and I think he’s made a lot of progress in the confidence area since last year. He’s still a work in progress mentally, still developing, but there’s plenty of reasons to think he’s going to be a strong starting pitcher for a long time.

But yes, you’re right in the perception of him being very mild mannered and just a friendly, kinda goofy guy.

By Steve from OH

August 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

brent a., Neyer is actually pretty well respected in baseball circles, I believe. He actually worked with Bill James for a while. Doesn’t make up for the fact that he’s wrong about Frenchy, though.

By Aww schuks.

August 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Sheffield was waived by Tigers

Arizona pulled the Dunn trade one day too early.

By Robert S

August 12, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

DOB, just saw the radar, and there’s light to moderate rain extending all the way back to Birmingham and far into Mississippi, all heading east.

Anyone up for two games tomorrow?

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Flange1, regarding Ella Guru’s pending move: Don’s got 25-percent off all used CDs, 10-percent off all new. And with him going to a new store, he’ll make a prominent spot in which to hang his Wurlitzer drawing of the great Alejandro Escovedo.

By jtb

August 12, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah

Gotay has done fairly well as simply a pinch hitter. That’s why he’s still on the roster. And if Anderson or Lillibridge were to get called up, they wouldn’t get nearly as much playing time in the majors as they’re currently getting in minors.

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Francoeur out of lineup? Sweet.

Robert S Anyone up for two games tomorrow?

No!

By Whoa Baby

August 12, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

http://tinyurl.com/5rlgcl

Folks: click this link. Stare at it. Let it soak into your brain as you look at this Braves’ promo for tonight’s game.

This is insanity.

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Pujols (.347) is third in the batting race today, behind Chipper (.370) and Holliday (.348).

Long as Chipper stays relatively healthy the rest of the way and gets the plate appearances to qualify (which he’ll do as long as he doesn’t miss about 20 games the rest of the way.

By Jeff321

August 12, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

I hate rain outs!

By N Nine

August 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

thx DOB had no idea Holliday caught up to Pujols! This was the guy that denied Chipper his BA title last year. The two clash again for round 2. Shows these 3 players are really consistant with the bat. Man, Holliday can hit..too bad his agent is Boras.

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

They’ve got a new sign, “Skip Caray Broadcast Booth” on the door to the TV booth, with a drawing of an old-style standup mic.

Also have a sign outside the booth, but that sign’s covered right now and I think they plan to unveil it during game or just before.

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

Joe West’s crew is doin’ these games?! Oy…Not Joe West…

Please don’t get rained out! No! No, no, no, no!

By N Nine

August 12, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

geez thx whoa baby my eyes are permanently damaged now.

so with bennett and soriano back..any chance we see this matchup again?

By bravos2249

August 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

McFann

Poor Glav..1st game back an he’s gonna get West behind the plate.

By DonCoburleone

August 12, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

DOB gut feeling - Do we get this game in tonight?

By Goodoleboy58

August 12, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

How fitting on Skip’s tribute to get a long rain delay… His favorite haha

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

bravos2249—

I agree. Man, that stinks!

Oh goody…we get to see Mr. West LIVE tomorrow…

And if it’s a doubleheader I know who we prob’ly won’t see…

: (

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

Game’s rained out. Split DH tomorrow at 1:10 and 7:15 p.m.

By Jeff321

August 12, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

According to Braves Radio the game is PPD. Double Header tomorrow at 1:10/7:15.

By DonCoburleone

August 12, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

Postponed, bummer…

By Wayne in Utah

August 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

tater You got that right, my friend!

jtb My point exactly. Play the kids.

By DonCoburleone

August 12, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Double-header tomorrow???

By Wayne in Utah

August 12, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

Awe shucks. It’s clear as a bell here!

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

POSTPONED?? Aw…CRUD!

Man, this just frosts me!

DOB—

Could you tell Bobby to play the second-string guys in game one?

; >

By The mitzvot of Bobby Cox

August 12, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

-The worship of the home run must remain pure, uninfluenced by sabremetrics or the musings of sports columnists.

-Banishment to AA is prescribed for the desire to play small-ball.

-Banishment to AA is also prescribed for players who are guilty of any of the following: putting their pants on backwards, undereating, and hitting down on the ball.

-Certain Dietary principles are enjoined. These include maximization of meat consumption. Vegetables are prohibited.

-The law of retaliation prescribes various conditions under which a Braves pitcher can throw at an opposing batter depending on whether it’s a night game after a loss or the batter was born in December.

-No giving “wedgies” to the batboys.

-No bunting during the second game of a double header or after the fourteenth inning.

-Relief pitchers can last no more than 6 years unless they weigh more than 238 pounds.

-Team meetings will be held three times a year on the occasions that Bobby Cox buys new socks.

-The positions of bench and pitching coach are established as well as the positions of grill coach, washroom coach, and diversity coach.

-A ban against images of Yogi Berra placed next to mirrors.

-A ban against rookies either from being hot-footed or hit with whipped cream pies. Shaving cream may be used.

-A ban against stealing signs, lip reading, or trying to guess what the opposing pitcher will throw.

-A ban preventing blemished bats from being used when there are runners in scoring position.

-Naming of three cities of refuge where players may drink to excess after losses. (Currently Philadelphia, Denver, and Kansas City).

-Exemptions from batting practice for the newly betrothed, drivers of new cars, and anyone afraid of being hit by a pitch.

-The names that umpires shall be called during the exchange of lineup cards.

-The Athletics to be utterly destroyed.

-An order for the pitching coach to take a lackluster reliever before David O’Brien to be castigated.

-A ban on the following in the lockerroom: music composed after 1911, the writing of diaries, and cats.

-Rules which regulate nose hair, dental checkups, and the use of deodorants.

-Purity laws which prohibit the mixing of smokeless tobacco and chewing gum.

-Transvestitism is acceptable for lefthanders only.

-Rules on the use of Pez dispensers.

By flange1

August 12, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this

Hey Lew,

Was at Ella Guru today and saw your rendering of Alejandro Escovedo.

Got to say it might be the best I have seen yet!!!

kudos my friend!!!!

By McFann :Ô:

August 12, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

It’s not even raining at the dang ballpark!

Was that Joe West’s call? I’ll bet it was…

How’d we get stuck with him?

By nfieldr

August 12, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

Rainouts are not the umpires’ call until after the has started. IIRC, before the game starts, it’s the call of the home team. Correct, DOB?

By nfieldr

August 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

Rainouts are not the umpires’ call until after the game has started. IIRC, before the game starts, it’s the call of the home team. Correct, DOB?

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

Braves using same pitching order, but Cubs flip-flopped theirs. Means that Morton will face Marquis in Game 1 tomorrow, and Campillo faces Harden in Game 2 — quite the pitching matchup in the nightcap.

By N Nine

August 12, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Steve in OH and other Dunn fans “He was going to be moved no matter what. I don’t know if he told (the media) but he made it was no secret to us that he was looking for $100 to $120 million contract. I don’t think this franchise is going to give out that kind of contract.” Bronson Arroyo

No Dunn needed here!

By McFann Ô

August 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Now they moved Harden to pitch the nightcap? Dangit! It just keeps getting “better”…

By McFann Ô

August 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

Oh well, they also moved the Skip tribute to the nightcap, so we’ll get to see it. That’s pretty cool.

By Steve from OH

August 12, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

N Nine.

Eh. I seriously doubt he’ll get that type of cash. Doesn’t make up for the fact that he’s one of the two or three best FA outfield bats on the market this winter. I daresay we’d be better with him than with Norton or Diaz in LF.

By Rabbi Dabbado

August 12, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

RE 7:11 p.m. A wise man that Bobby Cox.

By sixfourthree

August 12, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

DOB,

How cool is this tribute to Skip in lieu of the game. I hope you are able to watch or TIVO’d it as it’s outstanding. Wow, what a particularly great job by Chip—I’m sure Skip would be very proud. How cool was it to hear what former Hawks Coach Hubie Brown had to say. In particular, the letter that Skip wrote to Hubie’s son. Finally, one of the best things you can say about Skip is the fact that he visited Rick Camp in prison. He was the type of friend that we should all attempt to be.

By bravos2249

August 12, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

DOB

isn’t that kinda DUMB on the Cubs part. Why? because Marquis isn’t too hot so why not pitch him in the 2nd game considering their bullpen might be overused? If he pitches in the 1st game and gets knocked out (yah right with these Braves) then they will be worked by the night game with Harden which could constitute a BS

If I where the Cubs I’d just put Harden vs Morton because that game’s in their favor. Now it’s a free for all.

By wcb

August 12, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

I missed the tribute. Any chance it is going to be on again? I’d like to tivo it.

By NO MORE BOBBY

August 12, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

If you didnt get chills watching the Skip tribute right now on TBS then you have to be from another world. So many memories flashed before my eyes in minutes.

Once again…. thank you Skip.

By david

August 12, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

did anybody hear john smoltz say hes coming back

By jtb

August 12, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

bravos2249

With Marquis v. Morton, the Cubs have a good shot of winning. And with Campillo v. Harden, the Cubs have a good shot at winning. But with Harden v. Morton the Cubs have a great shot at winning and Marquis v. Campillo the Cubs have a small chance of winning. I suppose they’d rather take 2 good shots, then a great and small shot. We’ll see if their strategy works…

By BostonBravesGirl

August 12, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Wait, wait, what tribute? I thought that was going to be tomorrow night! Anyone TIVO it? I’ll figure out how to get the file if one of you has it.

By chuckw/deadjournalist

August 12, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

DOB (or Don w/ Elle Guru) - Where is Don moving Elle Guru? I’ve only been by the shop once since I moved from Decatur in March. I miss the place. I know he’s been talking about moving for a couple of years now. I’m just glad he’s not shutting it down …

By kev

August 12, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

NCBravesFan,

Here are a few more suggestions for your team name:

Dr. Andrews’ Hobblers Dr. Andrews’ MAS*H Unit Dr. Andrews’ Gimps

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Chuck, this is from Don’s weekly (or so) e-mail he sends to anyone on the Ella Guru e-mail list:

“… On a different note many of you have heard from me or some other customer the long and drawn-out tale of the store closing or moving. Well, guess what? It has finally come to pass that we are going to relocate the store up to the Inman Park/Old Fourth Ward side of town. 280 Elizabeth Street, Highland Avenue, to be more specific. Short version of the long story: Toco Hill, at least my half of it is undergoing renovation (not reconstruction as had been the plan/rumor) and while they’ve reversed position and begun offering to renew leases it’s too little, too late for this retailer….”

He goes on to rip the mayor and police chief …

Kidding, Don. Kidding. He does not mention them nor any other city official.

By McFann Ô

August 12, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Francoeur, who also wasn’t in Saturday’s lineup, is expected to assume his starting duties during the nightcap.

One more: Sheesh…

By NCBravesFan

August 12, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

kev LOL good call. Tonight, I had Ellsbury starting, but he was a late scratch due to being hit by a pitch last night that caused a sore tailbone. WTF?!

And I also had Ortiz on the bench since he had been slumping. He hit two homers in the first inning tonight - guess the slump’s over. ;)

Ah well, I’m still in second place, so I can’t complain too much.

By Why? Why? Why?

August 12, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Why is it that professional baseball players can’t seem to run from first to home without seeming to be totally out of gas?

By Greg in TN

August 12, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Evening gang…

A soggy night in Georgia, folks, where we don’t have kids lip sync the national anthem for aesthetics. Fittingly, we play two against the baby bears tomorrow in a twin bill that would bring a smile to Ernie Banks’ face.

To me, I think we got a little break with the rain. I think the job can potentially be much easier for C-Mo against the incorrigible one, Jason Marquis than the assignment he would have drawn tonight, against Rich Harden. Tomorrow night’s nightcap does have the potential to be quite the pitching duel with recent birthday boy Jorge Campillo (happy late birthday Campy) on the mound for the lads of Stone Mountain.

There have been many that viewed Francoeur as the future face of the franchise (say that three times fast with crackers in your mouth), however the baby Brave that is playing like the cornerstone of the franchise once Chipper and Smoltz exit stage right is number 16 in your programs folks. He really understands the game, how to play the game, but more importantly he understands how to approach the game not only behind the dish, but also at the plate with the lumber. He shows a savviness that belies his young age. It’s gonna be a lot of fun watching B-Mac and Joe Mauer over the next several years.

We need to cheer on the Offensive Assassin down the stretch as he swings for his first batting title. I will also be ready on September 1st as voting for the Ford Frick Award begins. Nice touch by the franchise and all involved with today’s activities and the naming of the television broadcast booth after Skip, who would have enjoyed his 69th birthday today.

Happy birthday, Skip.

By Interested Observer

August 12, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

Matt Diaz had to leave Richmond’s game this evening favoring his leg.

By I was a teenage Francophile

August 12, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this

It was a good night for Frenchy. No K’s and his average didn’t drop further.

By ANDRUW watch

August 12, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Andruw Jones back on DL. Sore knee? or way to use his roster spot?

Nasty article about him on CBS Sportsline entitled “Sultan of Stench”.

Andruw

By doc

August 12, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

the way our guys come off dl maybe we could put frenchy there and just see what happens, even if he isnt injured.

By doc

August 12, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

sorry to see don is leaving the neihborhood. hope that area will support him, good guy and really good feeling store.

By N Nine

August 12, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

Steve he wants tons of money and strikes out non-stop. Yes he would be upgrade but for 100m we can find better. Lets use that type of cash on pitching..like CC or Peavy

By Daybed Wagmoe

August 12, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

Quite a game going on in Boston: the Red Sox scored 10 runs in the first inning, and are now losing 16-14 against Texas in the 7th inning. Whew.

By BossLady

August 12, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

I feel so sad for Chip Caray. He has lost his dad and all of the fame and celebration Skip has will continue to be a daily remembrance.

On another note, he will not be as good or as infamous as Skip. For him to have a dad so large it is virtually impossible for him to stand in Skip’s shoes. I have never heard Josh but I can tell you that Chip will never be a hall of famer or a recognizable announcer.

Skip Caray is the man. His voice and anecdotes will always stick in so many people hearts and minds. The TBS, Turner Broadcasting and SUPERSTATION

By JJMB

August 12, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

Thanks for that link, ANDRUW watch. Although, I wouldn’t blame the author for a “nasty” article. More like a truthful article written about a nasty reality.

By Steve from OH

August 12, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

N Nine:

I do think we will use a ton of cash on pitching…but do you really think FW is gonna stand pat with the OF as it is currently comprised? He said it himself, we need to improve the outfield, and either Dunn or Pat Burrell is the best way to do it. We’ll probably trade for an ace (there were rumors earlier this year that Roy Halladay would like to be traded), sign a guy like Lowe/Garland, and sign an OF.

Can you find any other FA outfielder better than Dunn or Burrell (that doesn’t have an option for ‘09)? Since I don’t expect us to sign CC, it seems likely that we’ll have to fill the pitching need through a trade (you mentioned Peavy, which could be a possibility). We can’t gut the system to get a pitcher and an OF, though.

Like I said, I don’t expect him to get everything he’s asking for, and if they do, we can always try to sign Raul Ibanez for a more reasonable sum. Somebody like the Yankees or Mets is gonna seriously overpay CC next year. Did you read Hank Steinbrenner’s recent comments? That sure sounds to me like they’re going to give CC a blank check.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have CC, but in all reality we’re not going to get him, so we should use our money to improve other areas of our club.

By BossLady

August 12, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

Francoeur is a story of many players who people wonder what ever happened to him.

I’ve seen baseball history series where they showed guys who were fantastic and for some unknown reason “fizzled out”

Andruw Jones has severals records that he set that when it is all done, he could be in the hall. My personal opinion is that he should have opened a large business and left baseball records behind, then, he would be in the hall. He was called up and played so early that when he turned 30 he had had a good career.

On another note, I would like to thank our blog leader DOB for his coverage of the death of Skip Caray. It has been one of the best written and heartfelt series of articles I have read about many other celebrity deaths. The features showed just how an honest man speaks from experiences, genuine caring and heartfelt memories. You rock man.

By Wayne in Utah

August 12, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

Steve I suspect we have 2 trading chips (plus a lot of prospects and major leaguers who will NOT command much in the way of trades.) Our two trading pieces are KJ and Escobar. One or both will be traded, in my humble opinion.

I hope we resist the urge to send off many of our pitching and good hitting prospects.

How about KJ for Spilborghs, and then package Escobar with a couple of prospects (a bit contrary to my earlier statement) for an ace. (Peavy, Oswalt, Halladay, etc).

Then try to sign one of the 2nd tier starters on the FA market.

By Marietta Dawg

August 12, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

Has anyone else seen this on atlantabraves.com?

“Fans holding tickets for Tuesday night’s game can use them for Wednesday’s first game.

Those wanting to exchange Tuesday’s tickets for a future game this season, must make the exchange at the Turner Field box office before 1:10 p.m. ET on Wednesday.”

Like most people, I have to work tomorrow and since I don’t work downtown, I can’t make it to the Turner Field box office. Is this a new policy? I thought that you could exchange tickets for any future game. Is anyone else upset about this? I’m going to call the ticket office first thing in the morning.

DOB Any thoughts for us working guys?

By Steve from OH

August 12, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Wayne, while I suspect that KJ may be a trading chip (I hope not, but let’s not go there, shall we?), I definitely don’t think Yunel will be. I can almost guarantee you that they both won’t be traded.

To me, our best chip is JoJo Reyes. We’ll probably also shop Brandon Jones, Lillibridge, and Chuck James. What we can get for them, I don’t know, but I think those are decent chips that don’t significantly subtract from our team in the short term. In the minors, I’d suspect Tyler Flowers would probably be quick to go, just because we’ve got McCann for a while and Freddie Freeman as a 1B prospect (meaning we probably wouldn’t move Flowers to first).

Like I said earlier, I think we’ll probably trade for an ace, and sign a Garland/Lowe guy and also sign a corner OF. Don’t get your hopes up for CC, though. The Yankees are already sewing “Sabathia” on their largest uni.

By N Nine

August 12, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

steve valid points..maybe a trade for OF. Your right CC probably out of range. I just dont know how we gonna fill our needs through FA. There just isnt an OF i like. Dunn i guess would be the best.

By Steve from OH

August 12, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

Wayne, I forgot to mention that I totally agree with you that we need to hold on to our good prospects. Heyward, Freeman, and (except for the very best deal) Hanson should be untouchable, and even to a lesser extent Locke, Rohrbough and Cordier.

By THB

August 12, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

Flew into Atlanta from Hartford today. My flight was scheduled for 7:35 AM, but I flew standby so I didn’t get on until 5:15. Going to see the double header tomorrow and the game on Friday, also visiting family in between. Can’t wait to see Jurrjens on Friday and Morton and Campillo tomorrow.

Anyway, the Braves have some holes—some gaping holes I might add. But there really aren’t many. The problem is that we aren’t looking for mid-rotation starters or solid but not too expensive outfielders. We need an ace, a mid rotation starter or better, and a cleanup hitting outfielder. It’s really that simple. I suppose resigning Ohman is a priority too. But honestly, if we just gave a nice deal to Burell or Bradley, Garland or Lowe, and traded for the best available pitcher on the market, then we’re in business. I expect 2 aces to go on the market this offseason, at least. Last offseason we saw Santana, Haren, and Bedard go onto the market. Maybe Peavy, Oswalt, and Halladay go this year? The options are endless by any means, but we really only have 3 holes. But don’t get me wrong, they are some deep holes.

By Steve from OH

August 12, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

N Nine, I agree that there aren’t any great OF options out there. Burrell and Dunn, for the right price, I say.

By David O'Brien

August 12, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this

Marietta Dawg, I completely agree with you.

I asked a Braves official right after the game was called, said exactly what you did — that it’s not right to expect working people who came to this game to be able to make it out before 1 p.m. tomorrow to exchange tix, etc, not to mention that anyone who brought their kids wouldn’t be able to use those tix to a day game now that school’s started.

I can’t understand why they wouldn’t allow you to exchange them for any future game and do something either online, over the phone, or just later, like tomorrow night after work.

Just a bad policy, if you ask me. That just seems anything but fan-friendly.

By BossLady

August 12, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

I have tickets that I have to use before September 1st.

Since I do not have time to deal with this I will probably forego the seats.

The logic is this. The only people that can afford to or to come to the games are employed people. Why put all these restrictions, since the stadiem is not sold out anyway. It will not be sold out as long as Francoeur is playing and the offense sucks. I would take other seats.

I don’t covet money, but my time is coveted. Since I like to live good and eat well I have to just let the tickets go. Therefore, more empty seats are in the stadium.

Do the Math (a phrase I hate), empty seats, souvenirs, concession money, etc.

Did Liberty buy the Braves as a write-off?

By Mike in LA

August 12, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

The Braves are going to have the money to compete for Sabathia’s services. Will they, probably not but I think he’s the best pitcher available and he’s young and hasn’t been injury prone up to this point. I think whoever said it earlier hit it on the nose. If Smoltz is able to return to the rotation then the Braves will need only 1 starting pitcher so why not empty the bank to sign a lefthanded ace in his prime who goes deep into games? The Braves should offer 6-7 years at 18 mill a year and see if that gets it done. A lot, yes but they’ll have money to spend. Then offer Raul Ibanez a three year deal at 8 million a year. Then the Braves should get creative in finding another outfield bat (yes they need two) who is cheap and productive. I think the perfect fit would be Matt Kemp although I don’t think the Dodgers would be shopping him, but someone similar to his production and years in the league is a necessity. The Braves have several trading chips. Lillibridge, K Johnson, Francoeur, Reyes, and maybe even Schaefer with Gorkys Hernandez possibly passing him up this season. Heck, I would offer 4 out of the five I mentioned to see if that would get Kemp. The Dodgers are going to have Kent retiring and Furcal possibly leaving through free agency so they’ll need middle infield help and the Braves definitley have depth there. The Braves also need to resign Ohman. A deal similar to what Soriano was given last off season should get it done. Give him a two year 6 mill deal with the Braves paying him 2 mill in 09. How bout this lineup

Blanco Escobar Chipper Mccann Kemp Ibanez Kotchman Prado

Bench: Infante, Norton, Anderson, Salmons, and one of their minor league infielders or invite Marcus Giles to spring training

Rotation: Sabathia, Jurrjens, Smoltz, Campillo, Morton

Bullpen: Gonzalez, Soriano, Ohman, Carlyle, Boyer, Acosta, Moylan

By Vince Canipelli

August 12, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

Why have we not heard from Ted Turner in regard to Skip’s death? We will miss you Skip ! Time flies…..

By Interested Observer

August 12, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this

According to ESPN, Micah Owings will be one of the PTBNL sent to the Reds in the Adam Dunn deal. It might not be official until after the season though if he can’t clear waivers.

By Blaine Boyer is a limitless vat of goo

August 12, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

Bullpen: Gonzalez, Soriano, Ohman, Carlyle, Boyer, Acosta, Moylan

Boyer? The limitless vat of goo?

Mike in LA must be a Dodger fan. Don’t hate on us!

By Wayne in Utah

August 12, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

Steve Certainly not trying to be argumentative, but what other teams would salivate enough over JoJo Reyes, Brandon Jones, Chuck James and Brent Lillibridge; all players who can’t stay on the 25 man roster of a 4th place team.

These guys have some value, but none are the centerpiece of a trade for a real ace.

To get a real ace, we are going to have to part with someone big. The only guy we have that qualifies (Chipper and McCann are staying put) is Yunel Escobar.

As for Kelly, I am not a KJ basher. BUT, he is one of our only desireable pieces. Would you rather have KJ and Brandon Jones at second and left, or Prado/Infante and Spilborghs in left?

That is not a slam against KJ, but an honest question??? Which way would you go? I love KJ’s bat, but he is not hitting enough (this year) to justify his marginal defense at a critical spot up the middle.

Personally, I use KJ to get that LF’er, Escobar and 2-3 others to get a Halladay/Oswalt/Peavy type. Then I use a combo of Infante/Lilly/Prado/Renteria (offer him a contract) for the middle infield positions.

Gotta stick with Francoeur one more year (or at least part of one) and hope to catch some luck on Schafer/Blanco/Anderson in centerfield. Use the piece we got for KJ (I really like Spilborghs) for leftfield.

Go get Derek Lowe or Brad Penny to fill out the rotation.

You might have to trade Morton or Reyes along with Escobar to get the ace. Likely you will also have to include a couple more players (top pitching prospect and or top positional prospect)

I would offer a package of Escobar, BJones, Reyes, Locke and Hernandez for Peavy/Halladay/Oswalt. AND, then hope I don’t have to insert Hanson in the place of Reyes, but realizing I might have to.

Long road trips do this to me. They turn me into the “at-home” GM.

By Wayne in Utah

August 12, 2008 11:53 PM | Link to this

Do the Yankees have an option on Bobby Abreu? How about Casey Blake as an outfield option?

I am bummed that Micah Owings might be going to the Reds. He was my FIRST left fielder of choice for the 2009 Braves!

:-)

By High Kohein

August 13, 2008 12:03 AM | Link to this

T-d watches over us and loves us.

By Steve from OH

August 13, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Wayne, I agree that most (all) teams wouldn’t be salivating over those guys. I’m a bit conservative when it comes to the trade speculation, I guess. I just don’t think we’re going to trade Yuney and KJ. Based on what FW has said, and the fact that they’re young, cheap, and good, I just don’t see them going anywhere. I agree that we will have to give up someone big to get an ace, though.

I’d try JoJo, Brandon Jones, Flowers and Gorkys for Peavy/Halladay, and add another pitcher if need be (though not Hanson). That’s a bit conservative, though. Let’s just say I’m glad I don’t have to make these decisions.

Like I said, the more we stay away from giving up Hanson, Locke, Cordier and Rohrbough, the better.

By sufi

August 13, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this

I think a whirling dhervish would really help the rotation.

By random trade generator

August 13, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson and Vladimir Nunez

to Seattle for

Yuniesky Betancourt and Kenji Johjima

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

Personally, our rotation could only be helped by the addition of a midget!

Looking over some of the recent stats of Hanson and Medlen, I can’t see us going through September without an informal tryout by some of these guys. Hanson has 30 K’s in the past 18 1/3 innings.

September callups I would love to see: Hanson, Medlen, Schafer and maybe Hicks from Mississippi; and Lillibridge, Jones and Perry from Richmond.

That would mean clearing about 4 spots (Depending on how we use the 60 day DL) on the 40 man roster, but I think that could also be done easy enough.

Are we really going to keep Gotay and Norton after this year?

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

Random trade generator We already traded away Salty ‘cause his name was too danged hard to spell. No on your trade request due to spelling catastrophies.

Steve It’s OK to be conservative when trading away pitching prospects in my book! I would almost rather keep what we have, and wait a while than send too many of them packing.

The question that FW is asking himself is will a combo of Hanson, Rohrbough, Locke, etc ever be worth one Peavy? Like you said, glad I am not the GM. It is EASY doing it from my keyboard, but…..

By random stupidity generator

August 13, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

@ 12:31…NO THANKS! Dumb trade.

Braves should not trade, in no logical order: Chipper, Brian McCann, Yunel Escobar, Kelly Johnson, Jair Jurrjens and Mike Gonzalez.

The rest on the big club currently can be had, in my opinion, for the right price.

By BA

August 13, 2008 1:03 AM | Link to this

If they traded Mexican Maddux, I’d be furious. But Johnson? Ship him out.

By Get Real

August 13, 2008 1:21 AM | Link to this

If they traded Mexican Maddux, I’d be furious.

“Mexican Maddux”? Pffft. When Campillo wins the Cy Young award, get back to me. A 30 year old pitcher having a good season with a pretty decent shot at being a big disappointment next season ain’t my idea of someone that is a must keep. Heck, Campillo seems like a “sell high” candidate.

I wouldn’t just dump him or anything, but I wouldn’t say he’s some untouchable #1. That’s crazy. It’s short-sighted and knee-jerk and reeks of people here, still, judging only by most recent performance. It’s the 2006-2007 offseason “Chuck James is untouchable” mantra.

But Johnson? Ship him out.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. “Ship him out”? So very glad you’re not the GM. As they jokingly say here on this blog: ‘your and idiot.’

By Canuckbravesfan

August 13, 2008 1:24 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand why some bloggers rate KJ so highly. His hitting has dropped off badly since the first few months of 2007 and his glove is definitely middling. We have many options coming out of our own system that potentially will be much better. J.C. Holt at Miss. and Jones at Myrtle Beach, to name two. Jones’ average isn’t great so far but he has hit 16 homers so far this year. Prado has shown he can hit but defensively not much better than KJ from what the bloggers say. Infante has shown that he definitely can play the position more than adequately, so let KJ go. Just because he’s cheap doesn’t give him a pass if you’re really trying to build a contending team for next year.

By BA

August 13, 2008 1:47 AM | Link to this

Who said anything about a #1 or a Cy Young? Do you watch games, “Get Real”? Do you understand the value of quality starting pitching? Maybe your next chicken-s screen name should be “get a grip”, or maybe the tried and true “get a life”. Johnson is an error-ridden strikeout machine. Trade him while he still has ANY value for pitching. We’ve got superior defensive infielders that won’t be “rally-killer junior” behind Francoeur. You mouthbreathers place too much value on the occasional Johnson homerun amidst all the K’s.

By Deep Throat

August 13, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand why some bloggers rate KJ so highly.

Good plate-discipline, good second base power, above average second base offense, good speed, entering his prime years, hits homeruns on a low-homerun team, etc. High ceiling. Yeah, who wants any of that?

Prado has shown he can hit

Compare’s Prado’s career minor league OPS to Johnson’s. Compare’s Kelly Johnson’s career slugging percentage to Prado’s career slugging. Look at Prado’s career homer total. It’s f-ing TWO. Prado, throughout his professional career (minors AND majors) has hit 17 homeruns. That is just one more homerun than Johnson hit in 2007 alone. Prado’s defense is pretty poor as well, and the different in offense is bigger than the very small improvement Prado could possibly represent over Johnson at second base.

Infante has shown that he definitely can play the position more than adequately, so let KJ go.

Infante ain’t show diddly throughout his major league career other than the ability to play multiple positions, make outs at the plate at a rate worse than Francoeur and be an above-average utility player.

…if you’re really trying to build a contending team for next year.

If you’re trying to compete in 2009, you don’t give the starting job to start the season to punchless-Prado or Infante.

There is a reason Kelly Johnson would bring more back in a trade than Prado and Infante. There is a reason teams ask the Braves about Johnson in trade-talks more than Infante and Prado. Think about it.

By BA

August 13, 2008 2:02 AM | Link to this

Infante’s career high in hr’s: 16

Johnson’s career high in hr’s: 16

By uga-brave

August 13, 2008 2:06 AM | Link to this

late night observations…

power was out just off windsor parkway tonight, .went to fellinis and then five seasons.

the olympics have their moments…

the michael phelps run is exciting….

on to the braves, as long as there is no owner, no chance.

we got by on borrowed time forever….

russ ortiz, jared wright, john thompson as starters…..

yeah they all are still around…

chris hammond, darren holmes? right off the scrap heap and they were great….

braves did a great job staying competitive when they probably should not of….

braves maketing department sold a lot of tickets….

unfortunate for us, the braves fell in love with the local thing….

heck the braves drafted JS’S kid jonathann…..

we are very fortunate that he stunk….

imagine him and francoeur on the same big league team….

point being, we are now in the whack….

used to be the pace setter, now the whack…

excellence that is required by one terry mcquirk, but hey he has a parking space and a mini fridge……

By Deep Throat

August 13, 2008 2:12 AM | Link to this

Omar Infante career homerun total: 35

Kelly Johnson career homerun total: 34

Omar Infante career at-bats: 1,776

Kelly Johnson career at-bats: 1,202

You tell me who hits homeruns at a better career rate.

By N Nine

August 13, 2008 2:14 AM | Link to this

MEXICAN MADDUX ROCKS!!

By uga-brave

August 13, 2008 2:53 AM | Link to this

funny now, except for trotting out # 7 bobby has not got a lot of criticism.

hopefully the reality has set in.

our powers to be that gave us davies, mcbride, chuck n duck, lerwew, thorman, reitsma, kolb, hessman, ring, ken the death ray, ground ball grybowski, parante, and now some of the marginal talent that we have could do better.

face the facts, we dont have the front line talent anymore.

whether it be through trades or development. or through free agent signings, we are now in the so called whack.

we slashed our minor league scouting budget 5 years ago. we froze our payroll at 80 million a few years ago.

money talks. that is why we are looking up.

dont give me the marlins argument, that is a different business model.

we have average talent and average results.

no reason a guy like cody ross of the marlins has TWO FEWER HOMERUNS THAN OUR ENTIRE OUTFIELD. thats right he has 17 or 18, our entire outfield has 20.

yeah it has to be bobby’s fault, right.

By Mike in LA

August 13, 2008 2:55 AM | Link to this

For you guys that say Prado’s defense is shaky, have you ever seen him play? He’s an above average second baseman. Very fundamentally sound. And for those of you that say he has no power he’s currently slugging .500. And btw, one of the best situational hitters on the team

By Coach (Francouer,sliding into oblivion)

August 13, 2008 3:01 AM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson was batting .282 at the end of June and proceeded to hit .224 in July. He made an adjustment in his batting stance and has since hit .302 in the last fifteen games. Thats why he is the Braves 2nd baseman for now and in the immediate future.

By Terry Mcguirk

August 13, 2008 3:01 AM | Link to this

ugabrave, i’ve had enough

quit talking trash about me on dob

there’s nothing wrong with a mini fridge

you can keep be, er, sodas in there

candy bars in the freezer

anything you’d like to keep cool

the braves will be fine

were gonna rally around the chosen one in ‘09

By Coach (Josh Anderson for President)

August 13, 2008 3:14 AM | Link to this

Regarding the young speedster down in Richmond.

Josh Anderson went 2-4 in the latest Richmond win. Thats twenty straight games with a hit. He has batted .450 during the streak with fifteen multiple hit games and Anderson has stolen thirteen bases without being caught.

Also, he has hit in 29 of the last 32 games. Anderson was hitting .280 when this all started, He’s banging away at .312 as of today.

Wayne, I read your 10:47 post and almost fell out of my chair. Dude, go stick your head in a bucket of ice and sober up.

By Coach (my real name is Corky)

August 13, 2008 3:21 AM | Link to this

If Bobby Cox had just made that Ryan Langerhans for Vladimir Guerrero trade in 2001, we wouldn’t need Francouer. Howard Johnson! Lenny Dykstra! Passed on Ryan Howard in the draft! I drink entirely too much!

By John Schuerholz

August 13, 2008 3:35 AM | Link to this

Coach, could I hire you to do some scouting. We are always looking for talent.

By Coach (I just make stuff up)

August 13, 2008 4:00 AM | Link to this

Sure, you know, I’m an expert little league coach. My strategy: No win, no Dairy Queen. I suggested it earlier this year with Tex. Bobby Cox could learn a lot from a wise old sage like me.

I would have done the Jeff Blauser for Bonds/Bonilla/Drabek trade that Cox turned down in 1989.

By MattyRoss

August 13, 2008 4:45 AM | Link to this

BossLady

Did Liberty buy the Braves as a write-off?

Yes, that’s in fact exactly what they did. Corporate ownership has many drawbacks, not the least of which, it seems, is a serious disinterest in positive fan relations. One of the reasons I was hoping Arthur Blank and co. would buy the team was, while the Falcons aren’t necessarily world-beaters, you know he wants them to be, and at least is a face attached to the franchise rather than a hollow conglomerate. You have to spend money to make money, from an ownership perspective, but I feel like there’s no incentive to do that, from Liberty’s perspective. The status quo is doing them a favor. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, I very well could be…

By Run over 'em Heap Run Over 'em

August 13, 2008 6:35 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the Frenchy Sits piece, DOB.

By nolie

August 13, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this

Is that a fact? Maybe his Ks are down and his walks up as you say (I have not checked), but he is hacking and missing pal…DocH

pretty true, Doc. Shaun his BoB and SO numbers aren’t really any improvement over last season on an at bats basis. he has about 2/3 as many ABs right now as he had last season and he has about 2/3 as many walks and the same ratio of Ks.

They need to keep playing him the rest of this season in hope of some indication that he can bounce back(after all Chipper had a total year worth of funk in 04), but I have no idea whether he can improve enough to be a viable starting RFer next season.

Whatever he does I kinda doubt that he will ever be any better than he was in 06 & 07, which offensively at least made him no better than a middle of the pack RFer.

I guess I’m thinking that you and Lew are being kinda optimistic, but I sure hope y’all are right.

By MacDaddy

August 13, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

Francouer sits. Now that’s a step in the right direction Mr. Cox. Let Anderson come up and see what he can do the rest of the season. I know he is not going to hit for power but so what. He may draw some trade interest instead of letting him waste away in the minors.

As far as Francouer’s future, the man will not find it out the last few weeks of this season. Hopefully some time away from the game and by spring training or at least by the end of April he gets it together next season. If not I am ready to move on w/o him, I just hope the Braves are.

Olympic Volleyball Rules

By Doc Holliday

August 13, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

In 10 games since joining the Dodgers, he is hitting .475 with a .543 OBP and .850 slugging percentage. With a ridiculous 1.393 OPS in L.A.

By nolie

August 13, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Is that a fact? Maybe his Ks are down and his walks up as you say (I have not checked), but he is hacking and missing pal…DocH

pretty true, Doc. Shaun his BoB and SO numbers aren’t really much of an improvement over last season on an at bats basis. he has about 2/3 as many ABs right now as he had last season and he has about 2/3 as many walks and the same ratio of Ks.

They need to keep playing him the rest of this season in hope of some indication that he can bounce back(after all Chipper had a total year worth of funk in 04), but I have no idea whether he can improve enough to be a viable starting RFer next season.

Whatever he does I kinda doubt that he will ever be any better than he was in 06 & 07, which offensively at least made him no better than a middle of the pack RFer.

I guess I’m thinking that you and Lew are being kinda optimistic, but I sure hope y’all are right.

By Doc Holliday

August 13, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Tex has hit .325 with a .440 OPS and .525 slugging percentage

By Paddy

August 13, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

I know Milo Hamilton is in “The Hall” but you would not want him in your foxhole if things got rough. He is a man that is just tolerated around baseball. Not very well like by those who would know him best. If there were trading cards for broadcasters, 1 Skip Carey could get you 500 Milo Hamilton’s. Don’t count on his vote for Ford Frick Award. He would be happy if there was never another annuoncer inducted. PS Just one man’s opinion, he is a “C” for average in his job.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

FILLIES LOST AGAIN!!

Dodgers got a walk-off single from Andre Ethier!

Braves gain another half a game! Whoo-hoo!

By nolie

August 13, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Shows these 3 players are really consistant with the bat. Man, Holliday can hit..too bad his agent is BorasNNine

take him outta Coors and he would never even get a sniff of a batting title.

By Shaun

August 13, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

nolie, actually Francoeur’s K rate has dropped and walk rate has gone up. That is, the percentage of his plate appearances in which he strikes out has dropped and the percentage of plate apperances in which he walks has gone up. On a per plate appearance basis he’s actually improved his approach in terms of strikeouts and walks; the ratio is in fact not the same as last season.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the Frenchy Sits piece, DOB.

Yeah, even more thanks for the part after the stuff about Francoeur.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Nolie (after all Chipper had a total year worth of funk in 04)

Yeah, but at least Chipper hit 30 homers and knocked in 96 RBI that year.

I think I’d take a .248 AVG from Francoeur if he was on his way to 30 homers and 96 RBI.

By DAP

August 13, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

he’s actually improved his approach in terms of strikeouts and walks;

well its still bad. hes ot alot to work on. i have a feeling he will be better in 2009.

By David O'Brien

August 13, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Anyone who wants to hear that song “Cross-Eyed John” (the one about Rocker that also mentions Schuerholz), here’s the link where it can be found

By Thrilhouse44

August 13, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the link, DOB. Here’s another link that allows you to listen to most of the songs. My employer isn’t MySpace friendly, but I was able to listen to it here. http://cdbaby.com/cd/keithmorris

By SoWeGa Fanatic

August 13, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

This is funny. Everyone declares it’s over, Tex is shipped out, and we gain 2 games in the standing in the last week.

By Shaun

August 13, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Bobby’s Cox, of all the stats that indicate plate discipline and types of batted balls, the only numbers that are significantly worse for Francoeur than his career averages are his groundball and flyball rates.

When he’s batting the ball, he’d not hitting it hard and far enough. Everything else is about the same or better than his career numbers. Not trying to downplay hitting the ball hard and far. That’s pretty darn important to his value as a hitter.

The types of hits and the K and BB rates show that Francoeur has the tools to be a decent major league hitter. He needs to keep improving on his K and BB rates while learning to hit the ball hard and far when he makes contact.

Now, you can make the argument that he was called up too soon. I certainly wouldn’t argue with that (although maybe the Braves feel they lack and have lacked significantly better options for the price). And I am certainly in agreement that Francoeur was over-hyped. And I was pretty adamant about Francoeur not being all that valuable even when others were satisfied simply with his RBI totals and what he did with runners in scoring position.

In no way am I saying Francoeur is likely to become a superstar. I’ve never been all that impressed with him. But I am saying that he’s not really as bad as his AVG/OBP/SLG numbers indicate and he’s got a good shot to become a halfway decent player in the majors.

Hopefully this clarifies my position once and for all. Trying to be as honest and objective as possible. I think so many on here have been pretty subjective about Francoeur throughout his short career on both sides. When he was racking up high RBI totals, a lot of people were ready to crown him the next Braves superstar. Now that he’s struggling, a lot of people are saying he’s never going to amount to anything in the majors. There seems to be a lack of a proper perspective on Jeff Francoeur as a baseball player. And I’m trying to just point out what is there for all to see, if we just do just a little bit of digging.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

How ‘bout this:

McCann starts game one, but in like, the seventh or eighth inning, he’s pulled and Sammons is put in as a “defensive substitution”.

Then McCann could start game two, correct?

By Lew

August 13, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Nolie-Yes, I do think Frenchy can come back. Yes, I know his season has been (choose one or all) horrible, putrid, terrible (or supply any other descriptive term that doesn’t denigrate him as a person). However, I’ve got to believe that two and a half seasons of success (and yes, I also realize many here are upset that those seasons still didn’t live up to his hype) are not the aberration, but the ONE season of .220 and zero power is.

Look at what the reason for the decline may be. If it isn’t his health (including vision), which seems to be the common consensus and isn’t the fact that pitchers have “figured him out” (it really took ML pitching 2 1/2 years to figure out he swings at everything?), then the only reason left is that his mechanics are flawed (or totally f##ked up if you prefer). If it is a matter of flawed mechanics, he CAN get back to where he was for most of his short career. THAT is why I think he can return to his previous form.

Will he return to form? Who knows-only Coach is psychic (or is that psycho-hard to tell with Coach), but I’ve seen everyone from Pat Burrell and Chipper Jones (quite a range of talent there) come back from horrible seasons to post some pretty damned good numbers. I’m just not ready to count out a 24 year old with past success. This doesn’t mean I don’t realize how bad he’s been, just that I’m not ready to write him off-nor are the Braves.

By DAP

August 13, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

mcfann mccann could just catch 18 innings today. its allowed.

cox should have sammons catch morton vs. marquis, and let campillo and mccann battle against harden.

By DAP

August 13, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

lew its definetly his mechanics. his hands, mostly. they move all over the place…he just has a messed up swing right now. i think that he will work this offseason and come back in 2009 to hit .280 with 25 HR and 100RBIs, while striking out alot, still.

the good thing is, this isnt like andruw, who we all suspected was an OLD 30, and we thought it was possible it was more than a slump, and maybe his skills were just breaking down.

that not likely for a 24 year old who has never had significant injury and was a pretty good player for 2.5 years prior.

does anyone remember the beginning of 2006? frenchy had a horrible start tot he season, and his batting average and OBP never recovered, but he figured it out and turned it around. hes going to keep working, and he will be a much better player in 2009.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

DAP mccann could just catch 18 innings today. its allowed.

Haha! That is true…

I mean, it’s not that hot today…and BMac caught all 18 innings in That Play-Off Game.

But, I like your idea of Sammons catching Morton and letting McCann and Campillo go against Harden. Bobby needs to have BMac in the lineup against the “tough guy”.

(OK, now if Bobby plays McCann in game two, and he breaks his on-base streak, I guess it’s all on me…)

By sri

August 13, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

I know that Frenchy’s value to the team (as trade bait or as an everyday player) is at the lowest (hopefully wont go any lower) right now. Hopefully he will improve. But if he rebounds anywhere close to his 2005/2006 numbers would you still consider him as a cornerstone of the outfield? At the beginning of the season, we hoped he continues to grow and improve his numbers, but now the expectations have to be more tempered. So how much leeway should Frenchy be given next season? Shaun/Lew would what are your opinions..

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Check this out:

I was looking up the last Braves/Cubs game we went to (Sept. 8, 2006…just a great game), and OK, I get the boxscore. Will Ohman pitched an inning and two-thirds for the Cubs (he intentionally walked Francoeur), and Grove was their catcher that night.

Little did we know…

By Kentavo

August 13, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

I shudder to think of the lineups good ole Booby is going to employ for today’s double dip.

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

McFann I bet McCann would give up his on-base streak in a heartbeat for a double header sweep.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Wayne—

Yeah……

By Lee in S GA

August 13, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Why is Ruben Gotay still on this team???

By Original Jon

August 13, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

You know, if the baseball gods were to not frown upon us today and we were somehow able to sweep the Cubs in the doubleheader, and IF the Phillies lost tonight, we would only be 7 games out with 42 games left and half of those games are against leading divisional rivals. I am with Brian McCann, until the Braves are mathematically eliminated, I am not giving up hope just yet.

Go Bravos, lets go out on a tear.

By Lew

August 13, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

SRI-Opinions from Shaun and Me? Likely to get a pretty varied opinion from the two of us, for sure.

First, If I were Frenchy, I’d schedule an entire winter’s work with Daddy McCann (or TP, for that matter), and work the entire offseason on getting the mechanics back to normal (and maybe it’s just time to realize Jeff ain’t going to be a patient contact hitter-ever). Maybe if all of this work were done when there is little pressure on him, the results will be more effective and long term.

When we played the Nationals recently, I got the Nats feed on Extra Innings. Don Sutton made some interesting comments about Frenchy at the Bat. He thinks too much emphasis was made on changing his plate approach-that this whole thing about going to right and not worrying about power, not only goes against his natural inclinations, but now has him so messed up that he can’t find his way back to what worked in the past.

Could be. I sure wouldn’t rule it out. I wouldn’t mind so much if he didn’t do the right field thing, but WOULD like to see a better, more patient approach to his pitch selection-at least to keep him from flailing at the outside pitch. I might also try having him stride into a pitch to get his hips moving in the right direction and to keep his butt from moving straight back (ask Andruw how THAT works). DAP mentioned earlier that his hands move all around. This is also true, but if he were to tie his hand movements into the stride (bringing them back as he strides forward), it could synch his swing pretty well. He might have to improve his bat speed with a stride, but that’s where all of that extra strength he supposedly added could come in. I would also send him to Mac’s Yoga instructor. It sure didn’t hurt Brian and might be beneficial to Jeff, as well-helping him to avoid some of the tension at the plate.

That being said, I don’t really know how much leeway I would give Jeff next season. However, if he’s not doing something positive at the plate by the time the middle of May arrives, I imagine I would be looking for an alternative-ESPECIALLY if his defense hasn’t returned to what we know it should be. I do imagine, though, that BC will be more patient with him than I might be.

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Excellent question Lee. I guess it is because he is such an “awesome” pinch hitter! (what is his pinch hitting average?)

By Marietta Dawg

August 13, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Does anyone else have tickets to last night’s game and can’t make it down to the Ted before 1pm today? Has anyone spoken w/ the Braves ticket office if the tickets can be used for other games? If it truly is the case that if they’re not exchanged before 1pm today, then I’m not a happy customer/fan. It sounds like they want my money, but then make unrealistic terms for exchanging tickets.

By Bill R

August 13, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

DOB theres this big link on the ajc sports page advertising the opportunity to blog live with you during todays game. Dont you “blog live” during every game?

By DAP

August 13, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

lew if he were to tie his hand movements into the stride (bringing them back as he strides forward), it could synch his swing pretty well.

you are right. moving the hands back in the swing is like pulling the hammer back on a pistol. then, in a stride, when the front foot plants, its like pulling the trigger. moving the hands back a little is not a problem, but at some point, they are supposded to stop, so that when you pull the trigger, they are in the right place to move through the zone. jeff’s hands are moving back, they are moving up, down ect. they might not ever be in the same place when he pulls the trigger.

when andruw eliminated his stride, he hit 51 homers. the reason is because his hands were so good, it was all he needed. the stride was just messing him up.

jeff just needs to simplify that swing, lose the toe tap and all that. pull back, step forward, plant, swing. try to kill the pitcher with the ball in every at-bat (not literally…) that will mean he is hitting it hard, andstaying right on the ball.

By Original Jon

August 13, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

Marietta Dawg I got this information from the atlantabraves.com website about last nights rainout.

1. Fans can use their 8/12 tickets for the make-up game scheduled for 1pm on 8/13. They can sit in the exact same seats as they hold for the rained out game.

2. Fans can exchange their 8/12 tickets for any remaining Sunday-Thursday Braves home game during the 2008 season. This needs to be accomplished prior to the beginning of the make-up game tomorrow at 1pm.

3. Comp tickets have no rain check value.

4. There are no refunds.

5. Fans with tickets left in will call for the 8/12 game can call the Braves prior to 1pm at (404) 577-9100 and make arrangements to have your tickets exchanged for a future Sunday-Thursday Braves home game during the 2008 season.

So yes, it seems as if you can use these tickets for any other home game through the rest of the year, but you still have to go prior to 1pm today.

Hope that helps you, if only a little.

By DAP

August 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

hey, wayne how about gregor blanco!?

By Brady

August 13, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Quick question…Do the Braves have any minor leaguers playing in the Olympics this year?

By chuckw/deadjournalist

August 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

DOB - Thanks for the update. That’s great news at it’s less than 1/2 mile from where I work. You (we’ll, via Don) made my day.

By Lew

August 13, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

DAP-It’s interesting. Back when McGwire was having his record breaking season, I watched him a pretty good bit. Almost every swing he put on a ball during that streak was identical to the last swing. This was almost like watching a Home Run Derby-the exact same approach used on every swing.

Now this is probably not what would be effective for a hitter like Chipper, who has an almost uncanny ability to do with a pitch what he wants, varying his swing and adapting to the situation, but with an erratic hitter like Francoeur, the same swing every time is definitely the way to go. Consistency would go a long way towards solving Jeff’s dilemma.

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

DAP Sorry, didn’t understand your question “How about gregor blanco?”

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Are they playing the olympics this week???

By BravesFanInRockies

August 13, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Appreciate your optimism about Frenchy. There may not be much of a minor league season remaining, but you wonder if it’s not worth it to ship him out until September so he can at least play every day away from the big league microscope. And keep him away from Wellman, who seemed to encourage his worst habits (mainly aggressiveness).

Chipper and Burrell each had one bad season. But Chipper’s worst year (2004, .242/.368/.485) was much better than Francouer’s best (2005, .300/.338/.549). Burrell’s worst year was a real stinker (2003, .209/.309/.404) but again, every other season Burrell did at least as well as Frenchy and in several seasons better. Pat the Bat has always been much more selective.

I’m not sure what a reasonable estimate of Frenchy’s upside is at this point. In other words, if he does bounce back, will he be good enough to nail down a corner OF spot on a contender?

By DAP

August 13, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

wayne how about him? what do you think of him? are you aware that i was right and you were wrong?

thats last one is what i was getting at. :-) i just remember talking with you alot about blanco and our CF situation this offseason. wondering if you are pleased with his performance?

lew definetly agree. he just needs to find one that consistantly works! :-)

By sri

August 13, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Thanks for your response Lew. I wanted Shaun’s and your thoughts, because both you seem to be the most optimistic about Frenchy rebounding(KC is the eternal optimist, but he is not around that often these days). Anyone else is welcome to chime in too (sorry did’nt mean to single you guys out). I was just wondering, if you were Wren how would you build this team for next season. I think that one should strongly consider the possibility that Frenchy may not rebound close to his 2005/2006 numbers. If he does, he is adequate for next season, but then I would still consider trading him (I would not make him a fixture in the outfield beyond next season, like Shaun says, he makes way too many outs for my liking). This makes the fourth outfielder we pick for next season really important for the success of the team. Because in May next year, we would not be able to trade for a replacement. We would have to find someone from within our organization. This makes Matt Diaz/Brandon Jones more valuable to the Braves. Or Wren would have to sign/trade for someone who would be willing to be a fourth outfielder but still be good enough to be able to take over as a regular (Juan Riveria?). But this also makes for signing a big hitting LF really important. Or would you rather plan for 2010 and hope 2009 would be a good season if all things fall in place.

I usually don’t contribute much to the blog (though read it every day), am trying to post more often. so sorry if I dont make sense.. I tend to ramble..

By Marietta Dawg

August 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

I just called 404-577-9100, which was listed on atlantabraves.com, and spoke w/ the ticket office. Since my tickets were purchased through Ticketmaster and sent to me via mail I have to exchange them by 1pm TODAY AT TURNER FIELD. I was told that if they were held in will call or sent to me via email, that they could be exchanged over the phone.

I’m not happy with this policy and I will let the Braves know. I was told that Paul Adams is the ticket manager and he will surely receive a letter voicing my complaint.

DOB Any insights on this?

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

DAP I am always willing to admit when I am wrong, as I have been wrong so many times in my life!!

Actually, when I underestimate the value of a Braves prospect, then I am doubly happy if I am wrong.

As time goes by, I try to evaluate talent on 2-3 points (how well they are doing in the minors, how they may have performed on call ups, and what is the “buzz” about them from those who should know).

I don’t think Blanco had come up to Atlanta for much, and the “buzz” on him was lukewarm. That is why I would say I did not pick him to do well (or Prado for similar reasons).

To be honest, I am pleasantly surprised with Blanco’s season. He is coming on in the past 30 days, and his walks are helping a lot. I wish he had a tab bit more power, but heck, I wish Chipper had a tad bit more power too!!

Now, here is the question: Will Blanco be the starting CF’er for the next two seasons? My guess is he will settle into a 4th outfielder type slot, but that his lack of any real power will doom him eventually. A team can only ride with one or maybe two weak bats (weak meaning lack of power) and be successful.

This will be the downfall of Gregor Blanco, but let’s enjoy his success while it is here, and hope it continues. (I wish to be wrong as often as possible!!)

By David O'Brien

August 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

McCann is catching the first game, Sammons the second…

Wayne, if you’ve not been watching the Olympics, or at least the Michael Phelps races, you’re missing some pretty incredible stuff. What this guy’s doing might never going to be surpassed.

By David O'Brien

August 13, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Brady, Thorman is playing for Canada in Olympics. That’s the only Braves minor leaguer playing, as far as I know.

By DAP

August 13, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

sri the way i would go at the situation with frenchy is to get ONE good outfield bat. just one. i wouldnt want to come close to giving the message that i dont think jeff is going to rebound. i think if jeff fails, you back him up with a diaz, b. jones. but the braves will have to send jeff a message that they believe in him, i think. so, one big bat for the outfield (burrell though i hope not, or ibanez…), hang onto infante and norton, and hope jeff bounces back. if he doesnt, b. jones can put up better numbers in a full season than jeff is right now…probably.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

Erg! McCann’s starting game one…

Hey! So is Grove! Does this mean I’m gonna miss out on booing him tonight?

: P

BTW—Keep a lookout for us tonight! We’re going with our Grandparents, who like the Cubs, so we’ll be the ones in center with the sign that reads: Family Divided, with a Braves “A” on one side, and the Cubs logo on the other. (I’ll be the one in the red jersey and the white hat. No need to say more; what’s on the hat will give me away!)

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

sri If I could throw my $0.02 in on your question: First, I think the Braves have to ride out the Francoeur train wreck. Lew and many others have identified what may be the core problem he is having. Time for the hitting coaches to go to work (where are Daddy Jones and McCann when you need them).

As for 2009 and 2010. Personally, I would prefer to not go for broke in 2009, but play toward a sustainably successful team. In other words, let’s not mortgage the future because Hudson has gone down. Let’s keep most of our top prospects and develop them.

Let’s go after a decent OF bat, and one or two decent arms. If the deal for a stud starter develops without giving away the farm, pull the trigger.

Let’s NOT spend 1/4 of our payroll on one pitcher, regardless of how good he might be today. (CC)

By Lew

August 13, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies-Dude, you’re falling into the same trap that many Denizens are regarding Francoeur. You’re taking one lousy season (and Yes, lousy doesn’t give credit to just HOW terrible it has been) out of four and considering it to be the norm when it’s the aberration.

We’ve discussed the possible reasons for this protracted slump ad nauseum. Since the only real reasons that might negate his ability to come back are injury, pitcher adjustment or age and apparently none of these is the case here, then like we discussed earlier, the only remaining problem would be his mechanics. Since mechanics are most DEFINITELY able to be altered back to what has worked in the past, then why should there NOT be optimism?

I know many comparisons to Andruw have been made, but is it really comparing apples to apples? AJ was a much older model with many more miles on him than Frenchy has. Not only was Druw older, but started his career about two years earlier than Frenchy did, breaking in at age 19. We all knew that AJ was going to break down eventually, due to the way he plays defense and the stress it put on his shoulders and legs. He self destructed quicker than many thought he would. Such is not the case with Jeff.

As to sending him down to the minors-I just don’t see what could be accomplished that would have any real or lasting value. First of all, there is barely any time left in the Minor League season and we saw what a few days down there did-NOTHING. As for Wellman-if he is that bad, then why exactly, is he still in an instructional position in the Braves’ organization? There must be SOMETHING that recommends him as a teacher of young players. Besides-since we really don’t stand a snowball’s chance in the Peachtree Road Race this season, why does it matter if he remains in Atlanta? I just see nothing positive to be gained by that move.

We may, when all is said and done, have to call this season a wash and let him try to work his way through it all this winter-OR use him as part of a trade. Given this year’s performance though, would he bring much of anything in return? I see many trade scenarios proposed here, but as usual, they mainly deal with dumping unpopular players or those who are NOT performing to expectations and trading them for other team’s superstars or more players who will likely underperform-very few of these deals make any sense at all or are unlikely in the extreme..

By Lee in S GA

August 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

A team can only ride with one or maybe two weak bats (weak meaning lack of power) and be successful.

Wayne

Agree completely. This is why Prado’s fate is already sealed as a starter with this team. With Blanco as a starter Prado will not be a regular.

I have been watching the Olympics. I enjoy the women’s volleyball the most in the Olympics. Wonder why!!!

By Run Heap Run

August 13, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Hey look who else is 8 games back:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8443220/Steinbrenner-on-Yanks:-‘They’re-not-supermen’?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002

Amusing story. Even more amusing comment section below the story.

McCann is catching the first game, Sammons the second…

Somehow I knew Bobby would do the exact oppostie of what he SHOULD do.

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

DOB Sorry, but I have a hard time getting into some of the olympic events. I do remember watching some of the Mark Spitz stuff back in ‘72, I think it was?

But I am just not into most of these sports. I catch hell at home, as my wife loves all the gymastic stuff.

By Lew

August 13, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Later Y’all-Time to go watch some Braves’ baseball. Hopefully this first game is on Extra Innings. If not, I guess it’s Pete Van Wieran on XM. Go Braves.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

DOB McCann is catching the first game, Sammons the second

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

By DAP

August 13, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

wayne i agree with you. the OBP is great, and he will never hit homers, so if he can hit 25 doubles, and between 13-20 triples a year, itll be great to have him.

as it is now, i think he is about .050 slugging points away from being a great leadoff hitter. he takes alot of pitches, bunts very well, runs well, walks alot… he is 24, maybe he will get a bit stronger.

p.s. in the nl east, only hanley ramierez has a higer OBP for leadoff hitters.

By David-ATL14

August 13, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

* Lew received the drawing in the mail* yesterday.

Great work and wanted to take the time to Thank You Publicly.

Thank You again for the work and the kindness! It’s greatly appreciated.

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Lee Those are some serious scrawny ladies on the volleyball teams! They need some more biscuits and gravy for breakfast.

I heard one of the radio dudes yesterday talking about what Phelps has for breakfast each morning. Man, I should be in the Olympics, as I have been know to put away some serious food myself!

By Shaun

August 13, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

A team can only ride with one or maybe two weak bats (weak meaning lack of power) and be successful.

What about the Angels? DH, LF, 3B, SS…all weak bats.

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Run, Heap, Run! Somehow I knew Bobby would do the exact oppostie of what he SHOULD do.

Me, too.

You still going this afternoon?

By flange1

August 13, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

DOB,

For some reason, I keep thinking the Braves will some how end up with Brad Penny in the rotation next year.

From your time covering the Marlins, what kind of guys were AJ Burnett, josh Becket and Brad Penny?

I always got the impression that Penny was a big country boy with a little attitude, not as much as Farnsworth, but still with some attitude.

Do you think he would fit with the Braves?

By DAP

August 13, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

run heap run stienbrenner is an idiot and continues to illustrate that when he opens his mouth. other idiots include yankee fans that talk about how the angels and red sox are buying players, and then says

“tell me what other team in baseball has that many starting players that came up from the farm team”

what a retard!

By Interested Observer

August 13, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

I thought about coming down to Atlanta for the memorial and game yesterday. I’m glad I didn’t. No game and then I probably wouldn’t have been able to exchange my tickets. I will definately remember this policy the next time I’m tempted to make the trek down.

I think the Braves are trying to match the Marlins in attendance!

By Run Heap Run

August 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

This is the 1st game I’ve listened to on the radio since Skip passed.

No, I’m not going. Of course I can’t do day games because of work so I passed my tix to a friend who is taking his son to his first braves game.

By nolie

August 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

On a per plate appearance basis he’s actually improved his approach in terms of strikeouts and walks; the ratio is in fact not the same as last season.Shayn

It’s close enough to last season to be meaningless in determining whether its improvement or just year to year variation. C’mon man, the difference is tiny. You’re building a house of cards on a mud flat thinking that it definitely means anything. He’s got 85 Ks now in 438ABs. If he gets another 150+ABs he will probably be over 110Ks again;besides I don’t care much how often he strikes out his OBP,S% and OPS are all horrible, much worse than last year. Hell let him go back to striking out more if his important stats go back to where they were. In fact better a strike out with the bases loaded than all the double plays he has hit into with RISP.

I think he’s Juan Encarnacion Jr.at best and I have thought that since watching him come up through the minors.

By KC

August 13, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

McCann playing the first game and sitting out the second…

Sure, that makes sense. Because we’re more likely to need offensive weapons against Marquis than against Harden, right?

By Run Heap Run

August 13, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

DAP

I particularly loved the comment that Chamberlain was the most dominate pitcher in baseball. Heh.

By Wayne in Utah

August 13, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Shaun Izturis and Figgins are both below .400 in Slugging percentage. As for Anderson and Rivera (getting more AB’s than the slumping Matthews), they are both above 400.

It would be a stretch to say they have 4 “weak” hitters in their lineup day in and day out. Usually only two, and maybe once in a while three (with no pitcher hitting).

Also, for an AL team, you must factor in the DH as a hitter, as most NL pitchers are definitely a weak hitter.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 13, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Enjoy the twin bill. (Ernie Banks must be happy.)

You may be right and correcting Francouer’s mechanics may right the ship. Or I may be right and his pitch recognition is so poor, esp. with men on base, that it’s hopeless.

If you’re right, however, I don’t see why three weeks in the minors playing every day would hurt.

By lewie

August 13, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

nice opener for charlie

By McFann :Ô:

August 13, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Run, Heap, Run!—

That’s a shame you couldn’t go. Hope they win for your friend’s son, though.

By David O'Brien

August 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG IS UP

By keylargo

August 13, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

McFann

I was wondering how Soto compared to McCann statistically?