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Hampton wins, remains uninjured!

San Francisco — Twelve hours after recording his first win in three years, Mike Hampton’s body was still intact, with no apparent strains or pulls or contusions.

As Tim Hudson said last week, miracles happen (just not the one Hudson was hoping for; Hudson will have Tommy John elbow surgery Friday in Pensacola, where Dr. James Andrews has his new clinic).

But in regards to Hampton, the day he and the Braves had waited so long for finally arrived Tuesday, when the lefty looked a lot like his old self in pitching seven strong innings (four hits, two runs, one walk) in 90 pitches.

It’s been a while, folks. Nine days shy of the third anniversary of his last win. But that happens when you go 35 months between starts, as Hampton did while recovering from two elbow surgeries and blah blah blah (look up the injury history if you need to).

Everyone I talked to last night and this morning sounded genuinely pleased and relieved for Hampton. They really do like the guy, who was never anything remotely like a clubhouse cancer or even a problem, which some outside observers have speculated he’d become due to his long and winding recovery road, that included three setbacks this season, each time just before what would have been his first start.

Anyway, the players and coaches who’ve seen him working out these past three years, and talked to him about the heat he’s taken from many including some of us in the media, say Hampton was just unlucky.

“He certainly didn’t try to hurt,” Kelly Johnson said. “He’s taken so much heat for his contract, which is ridiculous.”

By ridiculous, Kelly meant the heat he’s taken for the contract, not the contract itself, though that eight-year, $121 million deal that Colorado gave him back was ridiculous, too. That was back when $121 million was $121 million. (That sentence was written with sarcasm.)

Anyway, some have asked, so to clarify: Hampton is a free agent after the season. That option year on his contract for 2009 was bought out, with Colorado picking up the $6 mill buyout as part of the complicated three-team trade that sent Hampton to the Braves after the 2002 season.

(My guess is that if he makes it through the rest of the season healthy, he’ll end up signing a one-year contract with someone, perhaps with an option year attached, and probably for something like $1 mill. But I’m just guessing. Maybe if he pitches like he did last night for the next seven weeks, he could get more, but after three years of injuries and two elbow surgeries, I kind of doubt it.)

(Oh, and will the Braves try to re-sign him? Don’t know. You won’t get an answer from them on that, not right now. Nothing to be gained by saying if they feel strongly one way or the other on that one, not when he’s still got eight or nine starts to potentially make the rest of this season.)

Anyway, when I told Hampton after last night’s win that it was time to negotiate a new deal, he laughed and said, “I ain’t going to go there yet. Just gonna get ready for the Diamondbacks and go from there.”

Make no mistake, this is a guy who’s not looking ahead past his next start, and he says that’s the way he’ll be from now on, given what it’s taken to get back.

“There’s always been some doubt, with all the stuff I’ve been through, with all the health issues, you definitely start doubting a little bit,” he said. “But I kept pushing and kept working to get to this point one day.

“That’s all I could do. Pretty much three years of rehab that I’ve went through has been for this day. And now that it’s come and gone, I can kind of refocus and set some new goals.”

I asked him when he could remember a win that was as important as last night’s.

“They’re all important,” he said. “That’s one thing I’ve learned through this whole process — don’t take anything for granted. Cherish each one of them. And I’ll do that from here on out.”

So anyway, when we went to check on Hampton this morning, to make sure the limbs were intact and he was still planning to pitch again Sunday against Arizona, I also had to ask him about his hitting.

Dude has two doubles and three RBI in his past two games (not to pile on Francoeur, but the right fielder has two extra-base hits, both doubles, in his past 15 games).

Hampton was regarded as the best-hitting pitcher in baseball during his heyday, and has a .243 career average with 21 doubles, five triples, 15 homers and 71 RBI in 670 at-bats.

But how could a 35-year-old pitcher maintain any semblance of a hitting stroke during three years away from major league games, three years in which the only hitting he did whatsoever was a few at-bats in spring training and in a couple of rehab starts this season.

“Just lucky. Just see it and swing at it,” he said. “We’ll see the next start. If I can get a hit off that guy, I need to be playing every day.”

He was referring to Arizona ace Brandon Webb, who he’s scheduled to face in Sunday’s series finale at Phoenix.

“Seriously, if I get a hit off him, I’m gonna suggest I play every day,” Hampton cracked. “That guy’s dirty.”

Then someone reminded Hampton that him playing every day would be a recipe for disaster in terms of injuries. “Yeah, I’d just need someone to tag and run for me,” he said. “Didn’t Babe Ruth do that?”

OK, we’ve got a game to play, folks. And as we start this series finale on this gorgeous, sunny, 62-degree day by the Bay, let’s have a tune. A baseball tune, about one of my boyhood heroes, Jim “Catfish” Hunter, who used to toe the slab on the other side of San Francisco Bay, in Oakland.

”CATFISH” by Bob Dylan

Lazy stadium night

Catfish on the mound.

“Strike three,” the umpire said,

Batter have to go back and sit down.

Catfish, million-dollar man,

Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.

Used to work on Mr. Finley’s farm

But the old man wouldn’t pay

So he packed his glove and took his arm

An’ one day he just ran away.

Catfish, million-dollar man,

Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.

Come up where the Yankees are,

Dress up in a pinstripe suit,

Smoke a custom-made cigar,

Wear an alligator boot.

Catfish, million-dollar man,

Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.

Carolina born and bred,

Love to hunt the little quail.

Got a hundred-acre spread,

Got some huntin’ dogs for sale.

Catfish, million-dollar man,

Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.

Reggie Jackson at the plate

Seein’ nothin’ but the curve,

Swing too early or too late

Got to eat what Catfish serve.

Catfish, million-dollar man,

Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can.

Even Billy Martin grins

When the Fish is in the game.

Every season twenty wins

Gonna make the Hall of Fame.

Catfish, million-dollar man,

Nobody can throw the ball like Catfish can

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By Cecil34

August 6, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

I am happy for Hampton - he has preservered….so far.

If the Braves even consider signing him for next year, it should be for the major league minimum with incentives out the watooty.

Shoot, he has made his money - ought to pitch for the love of the game….

By Renegator

August 6, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Over/Under on number of home runs that Chuck James gives up today: 2.5

And of course as I type this he gives one up to Rowand.

Is CJ really the best that we have in the farm system right now. Wow - that is sad.

By NCBravesFan

August 6, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Wow. Chuck James gives up a homer. When’s the last time that happened?

By Scott from Fairburn

August 6, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Chuckie, chuckie, chuckie … try slingin’ it side-armed

By Bobby's Cox

August 6, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

i say keep hampton. Give him a 2 year, 2-3 million deal per year contract with incentives where he can make up to 7-8 million a year. The guy’s a good pitcher when healthy, and hopefully he’ll stay healthy, unless he signs with the Mets or Phils.

By MattyRoss

August 6, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Chuckie is just a longball machine this year. That’s ten for Rowand, which leads their team.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

thx for new blog DOB

By 22oz

August 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Oh Chuck. Your minor league stint did as much good as Francoeurs.

By Blue Magic

August 6, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

chuck n’ duck at it again

By Mike

August 6, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Chuck James gives up a homer? So weird.

By McFann Ō

August 6, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

First?

2-0, dangit.

Gotta admit, that was a pretty amazing throw from the Giants’ left fielder to get Kotchman.

By W

August 6, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

DOB. Do you see any Braves farmhand that is in a position to take a major role in next year’s lineup?

By keylargo

August 6, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

The Giants announcers said CJ’s era was 1.80 in their park.

They must mean per inning not per game.

By RedEyedAndBlueforSkipAndFamily

August 6, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Congrats to Mike on the victory last night. Kudos also on his comments in re: the win and his status; they were very professional. Always said I’d cheer for the guy when he’s on the field. The monkey may not be off his back just yet, but he’s certainly more like a small chimp than an oversized gorilla at this point.

$1 million for a season sounds like a bargain at today’s rates, particularly for lefty starters. If he can stay healthy and pitch well for the next couple-a months, I’d say take a chance. Besides, with Glavine and Smoltz down and out (and maybe retired), the team will need a veteran sage to counsel that young pitching staff.

By Bobby's Cox

August 6, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Interesting Stats (for what it’s worth):

Francoeur’s SLG 2008: .357

Hampton’s career SLG: .357

Hampton has outslugged JF’s 2008 number 4 times in his career: 1999 (.432), 2001 (.582), 2002 (.516), and 2005 (.480). This year he’s slugging .667, so far.

Hampton has had a higher OPS than JF’s 2008 season number (.647), 5 times: 1998 (.676), 1999 (.806), 2001 (.891), 2002 (.869), and 2005 (.826).

By Renegator

August 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Nice to see that Bobby finally has Frenchy batting where he belongs - 8th.

Good thing it only took 4 months for him to finally do it.

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Matty Ross, unfortunately for Chuck and the Braves, it ain’t just this year. He’s been a long-ball machine for a couple of years.

By BamaBrave

August 6, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

No offense, DOB, but I can’t believe Dylan wrote a song about Catfish Hunter…I’m stunned. I’ll have to find that one on iTunes…

You gotta be happy for Hampton, but #@%*#, why couldn’t this have happened in May or June when we needed the boost? With the white flag flying, this is about as significant as one of Andruw’s solo home runs in a 13- 2 game.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 6, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Great song, DOB.

By McFann Ō

August 6, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

BTW, thanks for the new bloggage, Chief. (Am I spelling that correctly? “Bloggage”?

By pfunkatl2

August 6, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

In a season of TERRIBLE memories…I was right up front to see the KJ dropped pop-up…last night was FINALLY a good one! Good luck Hampton!

By Chop Chop

August 6, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

Not taking his good pitching last night against the one of the two or three worst-hitting teams in baseball into account, this idea of signing Hampton on the cheap (“cheap” being a few million, of course) is a little strange.

The Braves need to acquire a #1 starter this offseason. Once that is done, they need to acquire a solid #2-#3 starter to pair with Jurrjens. Looking beyond those three spots, you have Campillo, Jo-Jo, and Morton. You also have Tommy Hanson not too far from the bigs.

Therefore, it would not make much sense to sign Mike Hampton for next season. Why even contemplate spending millions of dollars on him when you have better evidence than any other team as to his fragility?

Hey, I know what you’re thinking…

Yes, it is true that Hampton’s parasite might have caused as many injuries as it could to Mike, taken over his mind, and then found a new host (Tim Hudson) when Mike touched Huddy’s arm. However, unless that is the case, Hampton is still as injury-prone a pitcher as you’ll ever see at this point of his career.

(That is all.)

Regarding Chuck…

It’s a bad thing when you can predict home runs being hit against a pitcher. That is the kind of player Chuck James is right now. He has no business being on a major league roster.

By VaBravesfan

August 6, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

OMG, I have tickets for next Sunday’s game at the Ted. I think if the rotation stays the same, it would be Chuck James turn to pitch. Nothing like driving 450 miles to watch a slaughter rule game. Please, Bobby, change something.

By Ned

August 6, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Some of Donovan’s stuff on the Braves:

The Braves should have the money to do it. With Smoltz, Glavine and Hampton off the payroll in ‘09, the Braves will have $37 million worth of ‘08 salary to dole out (though Hampton, who is being paid $15 million for ‘08, is due a $6 million buyout in ‘09). Still, the best pitchers (Ben Sheets, CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett are three names that have been kicked around the clubhouse) and hitters (Pat Burrell, Adam Dunn, Bobby Abreu and Manny Ramirez) all will come at an extreme cost.

It’s a cost that the Braves will have to pay, though, if they’re to break what threatens to become another long cycle of losing. It’s money that the Braves will have to fork over to fuel that belief that they still can win a World Series.

SHOW ME THE MONEY MCGUIRK AND LIBERTY MEDIA!!!! SHOW IT!!! Lets see what your made OF!…ohh and **i dont want to NEVER EVER EVER watch this piece of $#$%@ “so called” Major LEague Player Chuck James on a ATL Braves Uni,Heck where is Francisley Bueno,he could do better, imo…SEND HIM THE F OUT!!

By Random

August 6, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

prattvillenolzfan: “Hampton looked very sharp last night. Given the state of Braves pitching next year, I could see the Braves offering him a non-guaranteed/incentive laden contract next year…”

No such animal as a “non-guaranteed” MLB contract, I don’t think. That is to say, the Braves wouldn’t be able to cut (release) him and not pay him.

Tomas — I’m with you all the way i.r.t. your take on Hampton. (& MGL & TexasBrave, i.a.)

Kentavo: “Realizing that hindsight is 20.20, we should have traded for Haren last year at the deadline instead of Tex, and dealt for Tex this year at the deadline for the offensive boost to replace Renteria/Andruw.”

Your hindsight needs bifocals if you think the Braves would be in any better position this year without Tex, regardless of having Haren. It has been our inconsistent hitting and powerless outfield that has done us in this year (due to injuries, etc), much more so than our starting pitching woes.

And to deal for two months of Tex without being in contention would be insane.

20/20 hindsight says that if we had known Tex wouldn’t have helped us to the playoffs in either 2007 or 2008, we’d’ve been better off trading for Haren instead of Tex, but for 2009 not for 2008.

By Bobby's Cox

August 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

22oz

Nice post at 4:06.

By Why Dave

August 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

DOB, At this point I don’t even know if you’re being facetious. If you are really serious about drawing any import from Hampton’s performance, well I would be flabbergasted.

Any team in MLB that would risk giving this guy any more than the minimum would be delusional AND if he plans to not give the Braves right of matching any deal—THEN why in the heck is this MORIBUND franchise allowing this individual to mount a salary drive under their watch.

DOB, I’m begging you to—No, I implore you, to please reconsider what you have said over last 2 blogs.

Takes a lot to get me to respond to a Blog—First Time Ever—But I respect your ability and insights, but this smacks at you almost appearing to be an agent of is. Unconscionable!! Imagine a writer in Boston, New York, Chicago, Philadelphia(in other words a real market) waxing like this over a pitcher who had NON-PEFORMED for a team they had covered for 3 years!! Is this Southern Hospitality??

By doug

August 6, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Maybe we could pay Hampton’s salary to pitch for the Mets? Then all thier pitchers would get infected with the parasite.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

tough one: today’s starter.. jojo or chukie??

By Jeff R

August 6, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Hampton… three years out and two surgeries… risky. I think management has been so burned by old/injured pitchers that they’ll be reluctant to sign Hampton again, even to a cheap contract. Look, you don’t build around older talent, anyway. The pitching staff needs to get younger - younger and more talented. If the Braves contend, then they could backfill with older guys.

By TexasBrave

August 6, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Sorry guys I think it would be stupid to cut ties with Hampton outright. With the state of affairs that our starting pitching will be in next season we will at least need to sign two quality free agents, an ace and a #3 starter. “IF” Hampton survives the rest of the season without getting hurt then it would be stupid not to offer him a contract based on his past performance before he was injured. Hampton is a really good pitcher. 15-2 with a 2.61 ERA in the 22 starts he made before his elbow became a problem. I don’t know about you guys but to me that is staff ace numbers.

Now although I would not count on him as being our ace, if we could sign him for a reasonable offer over say two years he would make a great #3 starter. Contract wise give him 4 million with incentives increasing to 8 million depending on innings pitched.

Sure he could sign elsewhere for better money, but not putting any offer on the table would be down right ignorant.

By Deep Throat

August 6, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

Prado’s SLG THIS year is .438.

KJ’s is .437.

Bobby’s Cox, you may have some strange irrational hatred of Kelly Johnson, but this is ridiculous.

It’s called a “sample size”. Prado has had all of 80 at-bats this season. Kelly Johnson has 375 at-bats this season.

Prado’s career slugging percentage is under .400. He has all of 2 homeruns in 181 career at-bats. If you started Prado in all 162 games in a season, he wouldn’t even tie Kelly Johnson’s current nine homeruns this season. Prado is punchless. And with the most homerun powerless outfield in the majors, we don’t need MORE no homeruns guys infesting the lineup.

You may like Prado and may not like Kelly Johnson, but please spare us this BS about Prado having just as much slugging ability as Johnson. He doesn’t.

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

Why Dave: With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? I’m not suggesting the Braves re-sign Hampton, not suggesting that in any way. I’m just telling you what I THINK will happen, that some team will, if he stays healthy and pitches well the rest of the season, give him a one-year contract for $1 mill or so.

Keep in mind, the Rockies gave Mark Redmond a $750,000 contract after his performance last season. The Braves gave Tanyon Sturtze a guaranteed $750,000 in 2007 with no assurances he’d even pitch (he didn’t, not a single inning).

Sorry, but my job is not to help you keep Hampton out of the majors next season. I’m telling you what I think will happen.

By MGL

August 6, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

From the end of the last blog:

I seldom disagree with Lew (and not just because of the wrath it frequently causes) but I will put my two cents worth in on the pitching situation.

It would appear that the starting pitching market in the off-season will be at a premium. Whether in $$$ to free agents, or in good players needed for a trade.

If Hampton (big if still in my mind) pitches well without injury the remainder of the year, I think we have to offer him another year. Thinking he is a reasonable guy, I believe he will give the Braves a break over other potential offers.

I think that we can trust Smoltz’s judgement. I believe that he is such a competitor, that he will only want to come back if he can pitch to his high standards. Being shoulder surgery, he will probably know in time if he can do it. So, on the Smoltz decision, I think the Braves owe it to him to let him make the decision whether to come back or not, and whether that is into the starting rotation or bullpen. My bet is he starts.

I actually worry more about Glavine than the others. a “partially torn ligament” just does not sound good to me. Never having had surgery, I think he is suceptible to more damage. I guess we will know next week and see how he does for the rest of the year. It does not seem to me that he has the same level of desire to continue next year, and he just might retire.

The net, out of these three, the best we can get is probably two. Still need a Huddy replacement.

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

BamaBrave, Dylan’s a huge baseball fan. He’s devoted entire shows on his XM radio hour to baseball.

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

VaBravesFan, I’d guess Glavine will have replaced Chuck in the rotation by then.

By Jeff321

August 6, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Wow, I never thought Hampton could pitch that well again. And was rather impressed with his last outing.

Assuming he makes it through this year unhurt and pitches well.. I think Hampton should resign with the Braves for the league minimum.

By jtb

August 6, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

Why Dave

Giving a guy with the potential of Mike Hampton 1 million a year if he shows that he can stay healthy and pitch effectively for the next 2 months would be a steal. 1 million would be about 1% of the Braves payroll next and would not prevent them from being able to sign any free agents that they may be pursuing. If he can prove that he’s capable of staying healthy this year, he could easily win 15 games next year for us and would be a great #3 starter.

And how is Atlanta not a real market?

By Bobby's Cox

August 6, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Teixeira was on the radio here in LA today.

Said he had more pressure in Atlanta to perform. Said that when the braves traded “4” prospects for him, then told him he’d be hitting behind chipper who “doesn’t get pitches to hit and is always on base” that he had a lot of pressure to perform.

He said in LA that he has Vladdy hitting behind him now. His job is to “get on base and have his teammates drive him home”. Slap in the face to McCann?

If you wonder why Tex didn’t put the team on his shoulders, now you know. Personally, I don’t think a player is worth $200 mil unless he can carry a team and take the load. Being paid $200 mil to blend in, isn’t worth it.

When asked what he likes best about LA, he said it’s the coastal area. Where he grew up on the east coast, he said there weren’t a lot of homes along the coast -they’re scattered. But here they’re littered with nice properties.

He said here in LA, he loves driving and dining along PCH in Laguna and Newport Coast and having Boras pick up the tabs. Sounds like they’ll be good neighbors. Boras’ office is in Newport.

He also reiterated that he was going to wait for the season to end to get a contract signed. He said the Angels have a bunch of free agents at the end of the year, and if everyone were worrying about contracts they wouldn’t be performing on the field. What a cop-out Boras statement.

Anyway, glad we got Kotchman. Younger, cheaper, drives in more runners with RISP (18%) than Tex (16%), like Wren said, and always puts the ball in play. He hits lefties too.

Also heard the other night on ESPN radio that Boras may have had something to do with the whole Manny fiasco in Boston. Agents don’t get paid for Option year contracts, so it would’ve been in Boras’ best interest to get Manny out of Boston to restructure a deal where Boras would get paid on. Shady.

By Drummerdad

August 6, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Way too early to think about what to do with Hampton next year. There’s plenty of time to watch and formulate a plan for after the season. Because he had a good night last night there’s a tendency to talk about re-signing him now. Steady…

Business or not, I do think he owes the Braves the right of first refusal if he finishes well and wishes to continue playing. Might a he be a good candidate for long/middle relief (Ron Mahay)?

By Renegator

August 6, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop

The Braves might look at signing Hampton on the cheap to have starting pitching depth. We don’t want to have to use Chuck James next year because we have exactly 5 starters and one of them gets hurt.

If you remember - we started this year with about 9 viable starters and by August we are down to our last possible option (Chuck James)

By bravos2249

August 6, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Deep

Prado doesn’t start that many games, he can’t hit homers every time he pinch hits. Thus the less homer power in hitters. But that’s the problem with this team they are homer happy. If Kelly had more singles/doubles instead of 9 homers he could have just as many rbi/runs scored.

By BL

August 6, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Funny how Hampton is coming up on potential free agency and now he can pitch (and hit). Amazing what can happen to the body and mind when a (new) paycheck is waved in front of your face.

By Why Dave

August 6, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

DOB, I’m Sorry. I misunderstood. Any team wanting to give Wally Pipp 750,000 would be understandable, BUT any team giving him 4 MILLION—-read your respondents—-would be insane—CERTIFIABLY, unless of course there are benevolent owners who see it as their mission to help Mike purchase Princess Grace’s palace in Monaco.

Didn’t say it was my mission to keep him out of MLB—BUT doesn’t the content of your column(bringing up 3 year old numbers) make it look like you’re trying to get him signed ??

By bgvt

August 6, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Why Dave?

You suggest that it is stupid for the Braves to let Hampton to “mount a salary drive under their watch.” The alternative is to bring up a minor league pitcher in a way that might be detrimental to their development (i.e., remember what happened to Joey Devine; and consider that the minor league season is shorter than the MLB season so fewer innings over the year).

The other part of the alternative is to release Hampton — but still pay him. Another MLB team could let him mount his salary drive by paying him the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum. The team that hires him might also gain the inside track on signing him (and the Braves would have unnecessarily burned a bridge).

Another consideration is treating veterans fairly. Hampton has been hurt and the Braves are letting him show that he can come back. Not letting players try to come back from injuries would not enhance the organization’s reputation with future possible free agent signings (or negotiating contracts with existing players).

Frank Wren is playing it exactly right: let Hampton pitch and evaluate his status at the end of the year. I doubt that he is in the Braves’ future but he might be. Suppose Hampton finds a great groove for the next 7 weeks but Glavine retires. Would it be crazy to sign a top-level free agent (e.g., Ben Sheets) and go into next spring with a rotation of “Sheets”, Jurrjens, Campillo, Reyes/Morton, and Hampton? Other configurations might be better but they might be much more expensive.

By timthebrave

August 6, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Why Dave, I think if Hampton has 8 out of 9 starts why not pay him a million? You can pay a lot more for a risky player. I’m not saying sign him to an 8 year $121 million salary(nobody in their right mind would do that….what’s that you say….colorado did what?) I think dave was saying that it was sort of a tryout for him. Don’t worry…..nobody is giving him a long term deal

By NCBravesFan

August 6, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Bobby’s If he thinks he had “more pressure to perform” in ATL, just wait till he’s staring at Josh Beckett & Daisuke in October!

Thanks for posting the commments.

By timthebrave

August 6, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Bobby’s Cox, all tex is saying to the angels is ………please PAY ME 250 MILLION FOR TEN YEARS. If my manager was thinking of giving me 200 million or more there would be nothing but praise coming out of my mouth

By Business As Usual

August 6, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Out of all the entities in America dedicated to making money why is it only pro sports franchises that “OWE” it to their employees—that formerly excelled, but are now basically DONE—to DECIDE when they are done??? Constantly hear from players that “sports are a business”—Usually said when they are leaving via free agency,but when they are at end of career they want “loyalty”. Isn’t this a two way street??

By McFann Ō

August 6, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

Man! Mr. Cousins missed that call big time!

Sheesh, McCann can’t buy a break with these dumb base-runners. That was a great throw and a great tag, but a bad call!

This should be one on and two outs, not two on and one out!

By Jeff R

August 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

If the Braves had to move Kelly Johnson as part of a deal to secure a front line starting pitcher, I have no doubt Prado would play a better defense than Johnson and be a better than adequate hitter.

But who knows what Wren has in mind? My guess is that there are plenty of moving parts on the Braves, with the exception of a couple of players (McCann, Jurrjens).

Like it or not, because of age and injury, management is being forced into rethinking what this team needs fundamentally to contend. I’d take at face value anything Wren is saying positively about Johnson or Frenchy or whoever. He’s not going to disparage players who he may want to use as trade bait.

I’m wagering the focus this winter is on a really bucked up pitching staff and better defense, followed by offense. Not saying the club can afford to neglect the hitting - it can’t. But, I think, Wren is going to prioritize like the old Braves: pitching, defense and hitting, in that order.

By NCBravesFan

August 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

bgvt I disagree. If the Braves have no intentions of making an offer to Hampton next year, they should waive him in the next few weeks and bring up Jo-Jo (since he is most likely going to be competing for a starting job in 2009).

The Braves are under no obligation to Hampton, and should cut him loose if he’s not a part of the big picture next year. If nothing else, it would give Hampton the chance to latch on with a contender down the stretch.

That said, I think they should consider making him an offer for next year, and should therefore keep running him out there this year.

By jerry

August 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Hampton performed well last evening, and I don’t want to short change him on that, but it was the Giants that he pitched against, and they’re not exactly the “Bronx Bombers”.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

But that’s the problem with this team they are homer happy bravos2249

hich means only 3 teams , Nats,Giants, and Dodgers(now have manny). We DID have homer mentality but thats not the case here! also we lost TEX so we should be considered less homer happy now. This stat makes me worried since we dont run or hit n run as much either! We have holes my friends.

By Run Heap Run

August 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

LOL at the blog title and the $121 million line.

I’m sad that this is whats become of pitching in Atlanta.

From the glory days of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux to the dog days of Who? Who? and You’ve got to be kidding me.

By Why Dave

August 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

The Braves offering Wally a MILLION is fine with me. What’s another MILLION for Wally or to pay WALLY??

IF Michael Hampton tries to get a 3!! year deal out of the Braves for 12 MILLION AFTER last 3 years, would you guys finally change your mind about this guy?? If not, look into your own thought processes about integrity and responsibility.

In my humble opinion, under those circumstances, Mike Hampton would make Manny’s greed look like Mother Teresa’s.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

13th in HR only 3 worse than us

By MGL

August 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

I wonder if they already have Chuck’s ticket back on the red-eye tonight. Looks like Bobby has seen enough, taking him out after 53 pitches.

By McFann ;Ō;

August 6, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

DOUBLE!!!!!

That’s number 29! Just needs 19 more…

By danno21

August 6, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Let him pitch against a playoff contender and let’s see how many days accumulate B4 he injures his pinky O’brien B4 you annoit him a solid starter

By blueridge

August 6, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Here’s hoping Hampton signs with the Braves in the off-season for the league min. out of guilt and the kindness of his heart. Seems reasonable to me.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

timthebrave

it does seem like whatever TEX is saying, is comming from Scott Boras. He is demanding scott boras figures . (according to scott’s 177 page book on TEX). At least one LESS worry duringb offseason is when TEX leaving us, creating yet another hole.

By PMC

August 6, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

What’s ridiculous is a freaking guaranteed contract.

Yeah Kelly, if your team wasn’t paying hampton 15 Million bucks to work out his injuries, maybe you might have had a chance at doing something in the playoffs. Instead, they had to pay him to sit thier and work out. I don’t care how hard he worked out, all his injuries did was KILL the team while they waited on him to be healthy. That’s why he took the heat…. because he spent more time on the DL than anyone and cost the team a chance at winning.

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

From the glory days of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux to the dog days of Who? Who? and You’ve got to be kidding me.Run Heap Run

You’ve got to get it right: The rotation is “Campillo and Jurrjens and call the surgeons.”

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Francoeur bobbled that before the throw and still nailed him at the plate.

By McFann ;Ō;

August 6, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

What a GREAT play at the plate! SWEET!

By High Pockets

August 6, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Wow, Jones comes back Friday, then with a little luck we add Glavine back to the rotation next week!

With Glavine, Hampton, Juirjens, Campillo and Morton, we ought to win more than we lose between now and the end of the season. Hopefully we can get to .500!

Maybe we can even spoil things for the Marlins, Mets, or Phillies.

By J.D.

August 6, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

great throw from Frenchy, even with a bobble

By Random

August 6, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

(from last blog)

Shamus Thacker: “Doc, I just believe Hammy is in it purely for the buckskins at this point. It may not even be a conscious thing, but if given a choice, he’d rather not pitch. That’s my opinion, which I know is no better than those who disagree.”

No — it’s decidely worse, because it flies in the face of facts (not opinions) that are common knowledge, and contradicts the testimony of others privy to information not widely available (eg, DOB, Cox, Chipper, et al).

“The ones who say he coulda retired with full pay three years ago, are either stupid or uninformed.”

Hampton could easily have collected the “buckskins” without either retiring or playing, if that had been his intent.

I’m with OverDoc Hollilord (& TexasBrave & MGL, i.a) on Hampton.

(And IF Hampton can pitch effectively next year — irrespective of his motives — and the Braves could get him at a reasonable price, why in the world would you be glad to lose him anyway?)

By Beachdawg

August 6, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Dave,

Great remembrance of Skip the other day. Maybe you know a way to suggest to WTBS that they should air a tribute to Skip some night on their channel so all of those people all over the US who listened to Skip, Pete, and Ernie over all those years can have “their” closure. When Joe remarked on TV the other night that there was ANOTHER large crowd in S.F. it is probably due to the popularity that follows the Braves whether they’re playing good or bad. And a lot of that popularity exists, in no small part, because of the days that the whole nation used to be able to watch the Braves on TBS with those announcers. To think that Skip began with Jimmy Carter being President, Ted Turner becoming Capt. Outrageous with the Americas’ Cup & Elvis was still singing…well there’s a lot of water under the bridge.

Thanks for all your good words.

By Bobby's Cox

August 6, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Deep Throat

I don’t hate KJ. I like the guy…said it like 10 times this year. I was excited that we were going to transition him into a 2nd baseman. I followed it anxiously throughout the 2006 offseason.

My post was in response to someone else saying Prado had a .955 career fielding % in the majors. I hope you give that person the same kind of response you gave me.

I said if you look at his minuscule stats, then you might want to look at them all, that THIS year his BA, SLG, OBP, avg with RISP, avg with Men on Base, are all better than KJ’s. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes I’ve been advocating more time for the kid, and until he gets it, you won’t know if he has as much punch as KJ has. KJ’s first 280 AB shows very little punch (same as Prado’s first 180 AB in terms of slugging - KJ .397, Prado .398), but the last 80 ABs are better than KJ’s last 375. Proportionally, Prado has 1.5 less etra base hits than KJ has over KJ’s last 375, so you can’t say he’s entirely punchless.

And Shauna, Prado is VERY good at getting on base also. If you watched his AB’s this year and saw his stats for proof, you’d understand what I’m talking about.

This team has little to no chemistry. Deep Throat, i said I liked the lineup yesterday, with both KJ and Prado in it, hitting back-to-back, and that in the other 3 instances I saw it happen (the previous 2 times being a pinch hit by either one), the Braves rallied and scored. Shows some sort of “chemistry”, and I like it. Read my posts entirely before you label me.

By Deep Throat

August 6, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

But that’s the problem with this team they are homer happy.

The best teams are pretty much always those “homer happy” teams. There is NOTHING wrong with hitting a lot of homeruns.

The best homerun hitting teams in the NL this season are the Marlins and the Phillies. Look at their season records. Now take a gander at the season record of the team with the least amount of homeruns in the NL this season; the San Francisco Giants. See a difference.

Playing “small ball” is fine in late-and-close games. But you need homerun power to be a good offensive team in today’s game. The deadball era is over.

By Chop Chop

August 6, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Jurrjens and Campillo and “Ay, Dios mio!”

I like that one better, DOB.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 6, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

Uh, PMC,

The Braves have to pay Hampton whether he pitches or not. They have been reimbursed for some of his salary while he was on the DL, but they’re basically stuck with his contract, like it or not. Because the Rockies ate most of that contract, he was probably worth what the Braves paid for him out of pocket while he was healthy.

But if the Braves had decided to send him home at any time during the deal, or if they released him now, they’d still have to pay him.

So why not pay him to pitch — especially if he can help them win a game or two this season — whatever you think about guaranteed contracts?

By fastasballs

August 6, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

Karstens is pitching a perfect game for the Pirates through 7 innings, against Randy Johnson no less.

I think the Pirates are happy with their trade with the Yankees for Nady.

By PocorobaNahorodny

August 6, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

DOB Campillo and Jurrjens and call the surgeons Good one! Try these: “Jorge and Jair and then somebody put out the fire”
“Jurrjens and Campillo then put in a call for Leo” “Jurrjens and Campillo and whoever is not on the DL-oh”

By bgvt

August 6, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

NCBraves Fan —

I can agree that if the Braves absolutely, positively know that under no circumstances they would consider a contract with Hampton for 2009, then they should consider waiving him (and sucking up the sunk cost of his salary). The reputation part of comment is not about “owing Hampton” something but in sending a signal of how the organization treats people.

However, at the end of your comment, you say that you think the Braves should consider making him an offer. That is my point — they should consider it if he pitches well this year. Given that they are stuck paying him, they might as well get the benefit of looking at him this year.

As for bringing up Jo Jo, I think some time in the minors to regroup is good for Jo Jo. He pitched very well in his first start back at Richmond. He was getting shelled for the last month. A little time at AAA might actually help his development at this point. Bring him back in September and try to get him a couple of starts.

By Shamus Thacker

August 6, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Random: Hampton could easily have collected the “buckskins” without either retiring or playing, if that had been his intent.

You’re right Random, that’s exactly what he did. He collected his buckskins without retiring or playing. I don’t even count the cameo this year.

I’ve read some of the most idiotic things I’ve ever read today. That one takes the damn cake. Random, you are without doubt one of the dumbest and most gullible human being I’ve ever been exposed to.

I’ve had a change of heart. I am gonna leave. To be surrounded by such idiocy is beneath me. Some of Y’all are cool as Hell. Others are hoplessly lost in a sea of stupidity.

Bye and good luck to those who care, and that I myself care about. Bye DOB and CARROLL, you’ve been GREAT! The rest of you can French Kiss My F’n AZZ!!

By Interested Observer

August 6, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

When Huddy goes in for his surgery on Friday make sure he gets the Braves frequent customer card punch so we can get one step closer to a free TJ surgery!

By Bobby's Cox

August 6, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

NCBravesFan

Exactly. Seeing Tex this year and last, I will definitely be surprised if he has any sort of success in the postseason.

If the Angels do well, I’d be inclined to think it wouldn’t be because of Teixeira. We’ll see.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

bobby please, not the time to bring in tavaras.

By SeaAtl

August 6, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Whoah! I had forgotten Julian Tavarez was on the team until I just checked gamecast & see him pitching for us right now!

By Kentavo

August 6, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

There’s all kinda great duos and combos on this roster:

There’s Mac and Hack, childhood friends from Gwinnett.

There’s Omar and the Whiff Makers.

Kot-zie and Kotch-zie.

By THIS JUST IN

August 6, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

Yunel Escobar hasn’t done a thing in nearly 2 months. I understand he has battled injuries, but I’m not sure he belongs in the same sentence as Hanley Ramirez, Jimmy Rollins or Jose Reyes. I just don’t see him hitting for power. Not with that line drive swing of his. Untouchables this offseason should be Brian McCann, Chipper Jones and Jair Jurrjens. Everyone else should be available in trade talks to upgrade the roster for the future.

By BamaBrave

August 6, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

I had no idea Dylan was a baseball fan, DOB.

Zimmerman just went from demi-god to full deity in my book…

By McFann :Ō:

August 6, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Eesh, enough with the strikeouts. That’s three in three games since coming back.

But a very good day at the plate, nonetheless.

By Chop Chop

August 6, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Here’s a lengthy Rolling Stone article from September 2006 on Bob Dylan.

At the very bottom, there’s this…

*FOOTNOTE: So what’s Bob Dylan’s favorite baseball team, anyway? “The problem with baseball teams is all the players get traded, and what your favorite team used to be — a couple of guys you really liked on the team, they’re not on the team now — and you can’t possibly make that team your favorite team. It’s like your favorite uniform. I mean … yeah … I like Detroit. Though I like Ozzie [Guillen] as a manager. And I don’t know how anybody can’t like Derek [Jeter]. I’d rather have him on my team than anybody.”

By NCBravesFan

August 6, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

bgvt I agree. What is probably going to happen with Hampton is he’ll be here the rest of the season, unless he stinks it up in the next few weeks (making Jo-Jo and planning for next year) a more attractive option in September.

By Steve from OH

August 6, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Well, there’s some pretty good D from Kelly and Yunel. Wow, what a throw.

By ernesto

August 6, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

We are just a very unexciting, uninspiring team to watch these days.

Listless and treading water at 10 games under is no way to live your life.

By Tomas

August 6, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

Chuck James had better control today but gave up three runs in 4 innings, a little too much when you’re facing a Cy Young quality pitcher like Lincecum. The bulpen was great, and the defense was outstanding today. Hitters just weren’t able to get more runs. Also Giants closer Brian Wilson can bring it, he threw a pitch to Franceour at 101mph.

Another one run loss on the road. And this one they deserved to win.

By JEB

August 6, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

The Braves will REALLY be in need for starting pitching next year. They need to build a line up.

We will have to wait for the next 6 - 7 weeks to unfold and see what happens with Hampton. If he does really well and does not have any more injuries (aches, pains, pecs, quirks, etc.) then I think they should give him a 1 -2 mil contract for next year w/ a lot of incentives to make a lot more.

Mike has missed a lot of time the last 3 years, BUT… that is also 3 years of not burning up and tearing up a pitching arm. It’s been 3 years of building up a pitching arm. For his age he could be a lot stronger than most pitchers his age. Getting back in his groove, getting over the mental hump, and he could be a very good low priced starter!!

By Random

August 6, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

gotigers72: “I was really impressed with Yunel for most of the year, offensively and defensively, and he still comes up with a clutch hit occasionally. However, WTF has happened to his mental game. He only has 10 errors, which is very good for a shortstop, especially one as young as he is. But how many mental mistakes has he made, just since the All Star break? He has double clutched or failed to make a timely relay throw several times recently, costing runs each time. He just doesn’t seem to be in the game. Maybe it’s because the Braves are such a bad team recently and he’s not used to that.”

Or, maybe it’s because ——

No, let me back up and preface what I’m about to say with this:

Remember how just about 90% of the commenters here became increasingly “disenchanted” with the Braves keeping Corky Miller on the roster?

And how all these commenters became more and more bitter and acrimonious, mostly toward the Braves rather than toward Corky — after all, he was probably doing the best he could, bless his heart.

So we mainly blamed the Braves — loud and long and strong.

And we are just fans. With no personal stake in the matter.

So imagine how the Braves keeping Corky might have affected someone with a personal stake in the matter.

Someone like Escobar, who because of the Braves decision to keep Corky, lost his friend and countryman from the team.

Imagine him growing more and more bitter and acrimonious at the same pace as us here, as Corky’s performance continued to disappoint, and the Braves’ decision became more and more obviously unsupportable.

Just imagine.

(Ah, yes, I’ve disinterred that dead horse — but I’ll beat it no more. I promise.)

(-8

By MGL

August 6, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Oh Well, there goes my hope for a 50 game winning streak to end the season. Now it’s hope for 48 so that we finish at 100 wins.

By Random

August 6, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

McFann ;Ō;

Looks like I was wrong, and you were right.

Guess we should expect a shut-out from Hampton on Sunday, huh?

PS: btw, I think I’m going to able to line up some non-profit backing for my comments. Wish me luck!

By Chop Chop

August 6, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Ol’ Sloop John B. shut the Bravos down in the ninth.

God only knows the Braves could use a one-run win on the road. Wouldn’t it be nice, denizens?

By BravesFanChris23

August 6, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

Hudson will be going to my hometown to have surgery. I live in Pensacola. I hope the best for him and hope he can come back stronger next season.

Since the season is over, race to the post season wise, there’s still something to root for and that is Braves getting at .500 and finishing over .500 and if they can do that, then it will be a positive step heading into next season.

By Clint

August 6, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

I hate it when I forget it’s an afternoon game. I have to give Boog credit for his description of Molina last night: double-upable. That’s pretty good.

By McFann :Ō:

August 6, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Random

Hey, yeah! He gave up two last night, didn’t he? Sweet. Now, what about innings

Won’t get to see this Sunday’s game, either, dangit! (Ah, we might tape it, though, but that’s not quite as fun.)

Wish me luck!

Good luck!

Well, McCann’s DGANG stats jumped up today. I’ll have the “official” results up later, if y’all want.

By J.L.

August 6, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

The Braves are a ballclub with serious problems, and to be managed by an inferior Bobby Cox , is making a bad problem worse.

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

26th consecutive one-run road loss for Braves, who are three days from going a full calendar year without winning a one-run road games. Astounding.

By Roman Gal

August 6, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

When the folks on ESPN said Teixeira was a faster baserunner than Kotchman, I thought for sure they had to be wrong.

Alas, Kotchman is pretty dang slow…and they may actually have been right.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

Maybe we should celebrate and beat Dbacks by one on our annervisery

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Roman Gal, they were right.

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop, you’re right at 5:20. That’s better. I love that one.

By Canuckbravesfan

August 6, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

Random—you raised a point about Yunel I’ve been wondering about—The impact on team morale of players who consistently under-perform, whether it be a back-up catcher or relief pitcher who keeps getting shelled, but still is put in games and costing the team a chance to win. Hard to know but I’ve been wondering about for some time, especially during this injury-plagued season. Bobby Cox has more patience with some of these guys than is justified, I think.

By Saltywoody

August 6, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

Jorge and Jair and look to next year…

By Supes

August 6, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

DOB

I truly hope Glavine will be back with the big league team next week and we don’t have to suffer through another Chuck James batting practice session. Which is what the games are for the opposite team when Chuck is pitching.

Just got done watching FSN’s post game report…and I guess Chuckie can finally see the light. He admitted he was a “one pitch pitcher” right now…which everyone knew when we saw him get bashed around by the Brew Crew last Friday.

So maybe instead of installing windows for Lowe’s in the off-season, he can work on improving his delivery to be more consistant throwing his fastball down in the zone, and work on a 3rd pitch for the love of baseball!

Meanwhile, I’ll be so happy to have Tom Glavine back, as we won’t have to suffer the “curse of Chucky” anymore.

I think this game should have been started by Buddy Carlyle, but then I’m not the manager. At least Buddy has command of 3 pitches and has been solid for most of the year.

The Bullpen did a good job today and B-Mac was the only one that seem to figure out Tim L. a bit with a 3 hit game. For the record, AT&T park is worst than Petco. It’s obvious you have to pull the ball to left or right field to hit a HR, everywhere else, esp. Center, the ball just dies.

Good play at the plate by B-Mac to get the out at home. Nice throw by Jeff. Speaking of Jeff, he hit what I thought would be a double off the wall (when it was hit it sounded like that) only to be a line drive out to the LF. Shame. The bad luck continues for the 2008 Braves.

What this 3 game series with the Giants told me…was that as soon as they get some offense from their young team, they will be very, very good. Their starting rotation and closer are some of the best young arms in baseball. I only wish I could say the same about the Braves.

Giants, power arms. Braves…not so much.

…and I’m holding out hope that Jake Peavy will be a Brave at some point in the future, along side of Ben Sheets and a healthy Tim Hudson.

Mike Hampton for 2009…thanks but no thanks. At this point, I’d rather bring back Tom Glavine for 2009.

By McFann :Ō:

August 6, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Guess that says something for today’s offense when one guy accounts for 60% of the hits…

On Braves Live (if only) after the game, someone (Katie temple?) asked McCann how he felt on a scale of 1 to 10, and he said “about 8”.

By SR

August 6, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

DOB

Sorry we missed you dude- brought the boys up to say hello. Asked one of your fellow scribes if they knew you and one said, “he’s upstairs”. I thought that was TV land but what the heck do I know. Oh well, we tried. Beautiful day at the ballpark for sure. Too bad we couldn’t steal a win on getaway day.

By Random

August 6, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Shamus Thacker: “You’re right Random,* that’s exactly what he [Hampton] did. He collected his buckskins without … playing. I don’t even count the cameo this year.”

Well, of course you don’t count the 16 innings he’s already pitched, nor the approximately 50+ innings he’ll pitch the remainder of the season (9 starts x ~6 IP/start).

If you counted them, your preceding statement would be every bit as false as it is absurd. And you wouldn’t want that, would you, even if does it require you to thrice deny reality before the c** crows.

You’ve already acknowledged here that Hampton is playing — if only to hatefully question his motives for playing.

And let me also remind you that it was you who said “if given a choice, he’d rather not pitch. That’s my opinion” — an opinion that ignores all the time and effort he put into his rehabilitation; an opinion that contradicts his own statements and actions, as well as the testimony of everyone who knows him.

An opinion that completely disregards his willingness to undergo additional surgery after additional surgery, which if he had not undergone, he could have retired without penalty.

“I’ve had a change of heart. I am gonna leave. To be surrounded by such idiocy is beneath me. Some of Y’all are cool as Hell. Others are hoplessly lost in a sea of stupidity… . Bye and good luck to those who care, and that I myself care about. Bye DOB and CARROLL, you’ve been GREAT! The rest of you can French Kiss My F’n AZZ!!”

Hahahahaha — rotuffinfilmeow (I mean, ROTF’nFLMAO)!!!

Don’t go away mad, just — well, you know.

Fare thee well, SJA (or Paladin, or whoever.) Y’all come back now, y’hear?

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

The guys in upcomming FA class: Ben Sheets, CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett…vs potential trades: Peavy,Duchshcerer,Lincecum. Im not too big on the upcomming free agents.

New article on MLB.com titled Teixeira hears pleas of Orioles fans Boras is loving it.

By Run Heap Run

August 6, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

ernesto Listless and treading water at 10 games under is no way to live your life.

It could be worse, I suppose. They could’ve been listless and treading water at 10 games under for 14 years in a row, like the Mets, Phillies, and Marlins.

I think I hear the replay of the game coming on SS, if anybody who missed it the 1st time has a reason to watch the replay.

By corkLIKESbeer

August 6, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this

What are the chances of the Braves signing Tommy John to a contract for next year?

By Roman Gal

August 6, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

DOB Teixeira prances around the bases, making it even sadder that he’s faster than Kotchman.

By Supes

August 6, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this

2009, Sign Ben Sheets as a FA. 2010, Tim Hudson is back (re-sign him) 2011, Trade for Jake Peavy (before he becomes a FA)

Meanwhile, continue to develop Hanson, who should be major league ready in 1-2 more years.

Still have JJJ, Campillo, Morton.

By TexasBrave

August 6, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

All things being equal at the end of the season and both Tommy and Hammy finish strong and without injury and had to choose between the two I would take Hampton. Tommy is in the twilight of his career and his age and the wear and tear on his arm is catching up to him. Hampton on the other hand still has years left and I believe his arm problems are behind him.

Although both are competitors Hampton has more to prove and at this time charises each game more than the future Hall of Famer Glavine.

By Roman Gal

August 6, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

Julio Teheran didn’t exactly light the world on fire in his start today.

1.2 IP, 3 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, HBP

By TexasBrave

August 6, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

All things being equal at the end of the season and both Tommy and Hammy finish strong and without injury and had to choose between the two I would take Hampton. Tommy is in the twilight of his career and his age and the wear and tear on his arm is catching up to him. Hampton on the other hand still has years left and I believe his arm problems are behind him.

Although both are competitors Hampton has more to prove at this time than the future Hall of Famer Glavine. I know Tommy is no slacker, but Hampton will be more driven game in and game out.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

supes

sign sheets? That would be a negitive. Jurrjens might top his career high in wins for a season. believe DOB was talking how he hasnt topped 12 yet! plus he wants the BIG bucks..not worth it

By TexasBrave

August 6, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

Ooops! I accidently hit post on my firt post when I meant to make corrections. I tried to stop it, didn’t work!

By Joebrave

August 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

Would Somebody please inform the Braves Brass!!!! CHUCK JAMES IS AS WORTHLESS AS T** ON A BOAR HOG!!!!!!!!!!

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

Forgot to mention earlier, I asked Cox about Soriano, and he said he was getting another MRI this week. Maybe even today, but we haven’t heard anything.

By corkLIKESbeer

August 6, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

Is it possible that Soriano will Tommy John surgery again?

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

DOB how many MRI’s does that make for Soriano? Is he going to break the single season record?

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

SR, I don’t know who you asked, because I was sitting in the front row straight behind home plate, one empty chair over from Bowman and Braves PR man Brad Hainje. Only got up three times the entire game, to get coffee, etc

And yes, TV and radio are upstairs at this place. We out-of-town scribes can reach out and tap fans on the back (or top of the head) as they walk past, we’re so close to the aisle here.

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

DOB this site has a list of waiver trade candidates. I was suprised to see soriano for the cubs..bit suprised,no way cubs going to get rid of him..right? for braves hampton n kotsay.

By Lew

August 6, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

Are we to the High Resolution MRI stage yet?

By Bay Vs. Manny

August 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

If the Dodgers are ok with Manny’s clubhouse antics, why not instead sign Barry Bonds, who’s better and wouldn’t have cost Andy LaRoche?

By Justin

August 6, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

DOB when do they release the 2009 schedule? I know it is early. Just curious.

By Run Heap Run

August 6, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

DOB explained in a previous blog that at this time of year most teams put almost their entire roster on the waiver wire just to see what kind of offers they get since there is absolutely no risk in doing it.

Hey, did Manny ever get that haircut?

Enjoy the desert, DOB.

By McFann :Ō:

August 6, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

That strikeout of McCann’s in today’s game was the 200th of his career.

Just sayin’…

By Run Heap Run

August 6, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Wow McFann. Frenchy’s had more than that just this season. Right?

By N Nine

August 6, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

I’m just pretty much a one-pitch pitcher right now. My changeup isn’t fooling anybody right now.” chuck James

enjoy your flight back home chuk

By bravos2249

August 6, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

Scroll down to Tex

I LOVE how he said Anaheim is one of his favorite places when he hit .385 while the Braves where there….and not another hit on the road trip….can we say tryout camp

5-13 3 SO vs Angels

1-13 7 K’s vs 1 COL…..3 TEX

Come to think of it he ALSO hit 3 homers in a game vs Seattle

And has hit almost .500+ vs the Mets

By TennesseePaul

August 6, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

No Pittsburgh pitcher has thrown a perfect game. But in 1959, Harvey Haddix threw 12 perfect innings for the Pirates against the Milwaukee Braves only to lose in the 13th on an error, a sacrifice bunt, a walk and a double.

From the game notes of the Karstens two hitter.

By Reality Sucks

August 6, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Run Heap Run At 7:36, They might also have utilized the time since 1958 as the Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves to have won as many World Series as the Florida Marlins have won since 1997. Just a thought. That 14 year run in the 90’s and this century may also have been utilized to do just a SHADE—-Imagine Uecker’s voice—MORE in the Playoffs.

See, Don’t throw stones. We are not exactly the New York Yankees when it comes to finishing the deal.Let’s when something of stature and then gloat.

By THB

August 6, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

Supes-You say Tommy Hanson is 1-2 years away? He’s already figured out AA hitters and striking out a ton of batters with a solid K/BB ratio. His ERA is at 3.66 but he had a few rough starts in there after the callup. He’s been dominant for a few weeks now, and he’s just 21. He’ll probably get a shot in spring training, and will probably get a midseason callup next year. I think he’s gonna be special.

What most people don’t know is that we have another prospect overshadowed by Hanson in AA. Kris Medlen has been fantastic since his transition to starter from reliever. He was dominant as a reliever until this year but his numbers as a starter are: 12 GS, 3-3, 2.98 ERA, 66.1 IP, 64 K, 15 BB. He’ll turn 23 in October. I think he has a future in our rotation as well. Possibly next season.

By Syd

August 6, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

If we have a choice between Hampton and Glavine for next year, I’d choose Hampton. He can actually still get hitters out.

By SR

August 6, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

DOB

Thanks, I don’t know who he was either, he was in first row, as one was looking at press box from right to left, maybe 4-5 folks in? Should have known he didn’t really know what he was talking about. I must have walked right by you and did not realize it. We were sitting 2 sections over to your left as you were watching the game.

We will try again next year. My 11 year old was really excited about the possibility of asking you for an autograph!

By Tom A. Hawk

August 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

I was at the game today sitting right behind Frenchy when he gunned down Lewis. Best throw I’ve ever seen in person period. Giants radio announcers thought so too.

By westy12

August 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

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And with the undeniable brilliance contained in the sentence above, let the bidding wars begin!

Sorry folks, you just don’t get quality blog content like that for free…

By Reality Sucks

August 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

Will Bradley write a column saying August 8,2008 is the start of the turn around??

By Steve from OH

August 6, 2008 11:23 PM | Link to this

MINORS RECAP:

ROME (W, 1-0): Jeff Locke pitched well tonight, going 6 innings with OER and 5 K. His ERA is down to 4.16 now. CRAIG KIMBREL continues to dominate, striking out two in one inning of work. He’s yet to give up an earned run in class A ball, and he’s got 37 K and only 10 BB in 23 1/3 innings of work between Danville and Rome. His combined WHIP is an insane 0.64. Heyward/Freeman both 0-4.

MYRTLE BEACH (W, 9-6): Gorkys Hernandez went 1-4, and Eric Campbell went 1-4 with his 17th HR of the season. He’s raised his batting average up to a respectable .270 and is sporting a .375 OBP and an 895 OPS. Flowers didn’t play.

MISSISSIPPI (In progress): Jordan Schafer 1-2, Van Pope 2-4 with a double, and Brandon Hicks 2-3 with a double and a triple. Nobody really pitched well. Marek pitched, giving up 1ER in 1 inning with 3 BB and 1K.

RICHMOND (W, 5-4): Josh Anderson 3-4 with 2 2B and a HR, Smallbridge 1-3, and Brandon Jones 2-4 with a 2B. Jason Perry 2-4 with a 2B and a HR. CORKY MILLER 0-3. JoJo Reyes 5 IP, 4ER, 7H, 3BB, 3K.

Someone else posted about Teheran above; other than that I won’t post Danville/GCL Braves games unless this year’s draft picks do something noteworthy.

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

Lew, I would certainly hope they do the dye-injection MRI on Soriano this time, since the other MRIs aren’t showing whatever it is that’s causing his pain….

SR, you probably asked someone who thought ESPN was doing the game or something, and thought you meant the other “Dave” (not David) O’Brien.

Anyway, SF writers were in second row at that end. Don’t know who was in first row. We Atlanta folks were in first row in the middle section….

By David O'Brien

August 6, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

The Rays are unbelievable. Man, what a great vibe they’ve got coursing through that clubhouse and that lineup.

By I ♥ Lincecum

August 6, 2008 11:44 PM | Link to this

Too bad the Braves don’t have a guy like him.

My favorite pitcher since Greg Maddux in his hey-day.

By Supes

August 6, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

THB

I’m well aware that Hanson will get a look for 2009 in Spring training, and if something happens he maybe called up mid-season. However, to really pencil him in the rotation (barring any health problems or sudden loss of ability) I say he’s 2 years away from truly making an impact.

Back to the Ben Sheets opposition…I know people are much more of high opinion on C.C. Sabathia, but he will cost more, and he wants to go back on the west coast. That’s what the baseball insiders are telling us. My best guess is LA Angels, Dodgers maybe. Obviously C.C. being a left hander is going to be in demand even more. He’ll be more expensive, and although he’s been much more reliable health wise than Sheets, he is a large man, and weight can be an issue.

Meanwhile, I believe Ben Sheets is over his medical problems and is going to hit several good years of his career counting this season. He is a power righty, which is in not so many words exactly what the Braves need to add to the rotation. There is also the matter where I believe he will stay in the NL. The record for pitchers switching leagues, going over to the AL after being dominant in the NL isn’t that great. The last one to do it was probably Josh Beckett, and he’s a top tier starter anyways.

Ben Sheets will be a tad more affordable than C.C. Sabathia. So the Braves will save some money if they go with Sheets. Prior health record be damned. Sometimes you gotta roll a hard six.

As DOB pointed out, John Lackey is most likely staying on the Angels. So he’s out. Who else is there on the FA market?

Oliver Perez? Please…inconsistant and a headcase. He only seems to beat the Braves anyways (which is why fans are probably so high on him here)

By uga-brave

August 7, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

like i said last year, chuuuuck n duuuuck, is what he is.

pitchers that recoil are usually hittable.

this has nothing to do with developing another PITCH.

he could develop two more, he still would be what he is.

he does not throw hard, his control stinks, his confidence is shot, and you guys think he has trade value?

time for all the denziens to realize that you have overated our material.

no one wants james.

he will not be on the roster next year.

By StingerSplash

August 7, 2008 12:35 AM | Link to this

Since coming to the NL, Manny Ramirez is 12-for-20 with three home runs and seven RBIs. Yowza.

By uga-brave

August 7, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

DOB,

i know everybody gave you props on the SKIP lead in,

i really hope you know how good it was.

i always used to turn to the back page of SPORTS ILLUSTRAED, always loved the RICK REILLY stuff.

RICK has nothing on you.

that was great stuff and it was obvious, people responded.

baseball has always been about throwing catch with your FATHER.

everyone somehow remembers there first catch, or when your dad sat down there and was your catcher.

skip carey was my conduit to baseball.

ralph garr, claudell, terry harper, jerry royster, ruphino linares, and some other old braves came through on my radio late at night.

i remember bob watson, rick camp, knucksie, gerald perry, andres thomas, hub, horner, matt sinatro, biff pocoroba, vic coralles, mike lum, only because of the pre game and post game radio that my parents had on the radio coming to and fro.

skip’s voice was there, and DOB YOU did him justice.

great stuff, as you would say my man.

By SR

August 7, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this

DOB

Good point, that would certainly explain the “upstairs” comment. Really sorry to have missed you. Love the blog man. Take care till next season.

By Coach ( News from Richmond)

August 7, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

Since no one seems to have noticed, the Braves best leadoff hitter is playing in Richmond as we speak.

Josh Anderson is at the moment, quit possibly the hottest baseball player on the planet. The young outfielder is in the midst of a season high thirteen game hitting streak. He has hit a phenomenal .422 in his last ten contests and homered in the last two games played. Anderson has recorded eight multiple hit games in the last ten and has had at least one base hit in twenty-three of the last twenty-seven played.

His season average has risen from .280 to .306 in the same time span. Even more incredible is his 32 stolen bases in 37 attempts, that’s an unheard of .865 success rate.

Somebody in the Braves front office is asleep at the wheel.

By Tomas

August 7, 2008 1:05 AM | Link to this

The Braves need to sign at least one quality pitcher. They have a lot of option this year, and there is money to spend on FA’s this offseason, so it would be better to sign a starting pitcher and hold on to the prospects, or maybe even trade for a power bat for the outfield.

Ben Sheets (too risky and expensive), A.J. Burnett (risky but cheaper than Sheets), Jon Garland, Kyle Lohse, CC Sabathia (too expensive), Ryan Dempster, and Oliver Perez. All of them are power arms or gound ball pitchers. Plus I think they should resign Smoltz, Glavine(if he finishes the year healthy), and Hampton(if he finishes the year healthy). Those three pitchers would be great bonuses if they can stay healthy, but the Braves should not depend on them. Also I hope the Braves sign Ohman long term, and obtain a power bat from the outfield, either by trade, or by the FA market.

By uga-brave

August 7, 2008 1:16 AM | Link to this

NO WAY, NO WAY,

there is no way that francoeur is this bad?

no way that anyone plays rightfield everyday composes a .644 .ops.

not possible? ask sahun?

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

Steve From OH

Thanks for minors update. You’ve officially got me interested in a Brave I never heard of, Craig Kimbrel.

Minor leaguers with lots more K’s that IP turn out to be dominant in the majors.

37 K in 23.3 IP with a .64 WHIP? That’s just sick.

Thanks again.

By Coach ( News from Mississippi)

August 7, 2008 1:20 AM | Link to this

During his rehab assignment,Mark Kotsay had one thing to say about Kris Medlen.

Awesome.

The converted right handed pitcher who was drafted as an infielder (SS) in the 10th round of the 2006 draft. The Braves saw something special in him and decided to take a chance on him as a pitcher. The results thus far have been spectacular.

He has excelled both as a closer and starting pitcher recording 22 saves before becoming a full time starting pitcher this season. Medlen has seven quality starts in his last ten games while posting an ERA of 3.13 with 60 strike outs and 11 walks in the last 60.1 innings pitched.

Medlen is still listed as a switch hitter.

There is a good chance that both Tommy Hanson and Kris Medlen could see action with the Braves during their 2009 spring training.

By Coach ( Satire)

August 7, 2008 1:22 AM | Link to this

I sure have a hardon for Josh Anderson.

I may have implied Jeff Bennett was an outstanding, future #2 starter or lights-out closer last offseason, but I tell you I have it right this time. Anderson, gotten for only the recently DFA’d Oscar Villarreal, is a future Ricky Henderson and A-Rod all in one. Trust me, I’m a coach…of something or other.

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 1:28 AM | Link to this

Possible trade candidate? The next Babe Ruth who’s out of options?

Caught this article on Yahoo!

In 336 at-bats at Triple-A, Oklahoma’s Boomer Sooner has accumulated numbers that could spontaneously cause retinas to detach from owner eye-sockets: .342 BA, 37 HR (12 in past 65 at-bats), 98 RBI, 93 R, 24 SB, .434/.710/1.144. Based on those ridiculous totals, it’s no wonder players are comparing him to the Great Bambino.

Could be the next “older” prospect to succeed in the BIgs, much like Ludwick this year.

By ccrider

August 7, 2008 1:40 AM | Link to this

By ccrider

August 6, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

To: BravesFanInRockies regarding your 11:44am post; I agree it’s not fair comparing the two players. Ozzie Smith did not have the offensive numbers in most areas that are valued these days: HR’s, RBI’s OBP, Slugging%, he was part of the era that was asked to move runners over, take the extra base(stealing or pushing a single to a double). I’m not the one who did! Steve from OH made the statement that he would take a team of Kelly Johnsons and beat a team of my Ozzie Smith. I humbly disagreed with his perspective. Ozzie Smith at all positions would have been any hitters nightmare Sure hands, speed, nerves of steel. Yea, i’d take that bet!!!

By uga-brave

August 7, 2008 1:42 AM | Link to this

426 at bats, slugging % 354.

not good. so sean please give me the positives?

if he was hitting .230 with 20, and 70 he would get a pass.

if he stole bases, maybe.

macc has 3, the french has ZERO.

so please somone tell me how he is contributing?

boog and joe say he is having good at bats, 7 count them 7 extra base hits in 126 at bats with RISP.

that is 94 games when he came up with RISP, 7 extra base hits. that is hard to do.

raphael belliard numbers.

mind boggling numbers out of a right fielder.

i still dont believe he thinks he stinks.

By uga-brave

August 7, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this

get ready for the excuses, they are going to come.

my ankle hurt, the braves owe me.

in retrospect it is probablly painfull.

he is now watching someone that he always thought that he was better than (macc) show him up.

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 2:23 AM | Link to this

uga-brave:

nice to see you got your Frenchy rant on tonight.

Right on.

Keep at it. Heck, tomorrow he should finally dip below the .230 mark. He’s teased us a few times before, but this weekend he should definitely be headed toward the AJ .222 mark.

By ccrider

August 7, 2008 2:26 AM | Link to this

DOB: I was trying to figure out the actual money committed to next years roster. I came up with This: Chipper $10 (CHIPPER WOULD EARN $1 MORE IF HE WINS THE BATTING TITLE), McCann $3.5, Kotchman $2.5, Francoeur $2, K. Johnson $1.5, Escobar $.5, Blanco $.5, Infante $2, Prado $.5, Sammons $.4, Soraino $6, Gonzalez $3, Ohman $3(IF WE SIGN HIM), Moylan $.5, Bennett $.5, Boyer $.5, Jurrjens $.5, Campillo .$5 and Hudson $7 (ASUMMING HALF OF HIS SALARY WILL BE COVERED BY INSURANCE). I add this up and it comes to $43 Million. I assume Approximately $5 goes to the other 15 players on the 40 man roster. DOES THIS MEAN THE BRAVES HAVE ABOUT $50 MILLION TO SPEND, IF THE PAYROLL IS IN THE $95 MILLION RANGE? I suspect Diaz will be traded or released. I know it’s late but I would appreciate a response to now if I’m off base on my figures!

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 2:31 AM | Link to this

Coach, and his satire, both have a point.

Why is Anderson still in the minors? Dudes been raking all year, recently, and went 7-22 (.318/.365/.409) with the Big League club.

Guess he’ll have to wait for the expanded rosters like last year.

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 2:40 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand the fans on here saying we’ve paid Hampton too much. The Rockies and Marlins, and insurance have paid Mike most of his salary while he’s been with the club and injured.

I’d rather have Hampton pitch next year than Tommy G. Smoltz, if he’s miraculously ready, will pitch from the ‘pen. JJ, Campillo, Hampton, new guy, new guy with Morton as a back-up, would be a nice rotation, especially if one of the new guys was an ace and Campillo can rework his magic, and Hampton stays healthy.

On second thought, too many IF’s yet again. But I wanna read those clubhouse quotes from Hammy next year.

By David O'Brien

August 7, 2008 2:43 AM | Link to this

CC Rider, I think it’ll be closer to $40 mill than $50 mill, but no, you’re not way off base. But right now, we really don’t even know what the payroll will be, whether they’ll re-sign Glavine, how much Smoltz might get, etc….

uga-brave: Thanks, man. Much appreciated. By the way, Rick Reilly probably has more money dropped between the seats in his car than I have in my bank account. But I do appreciate you kind words….

Anybody ever eaten branzino, the European sea bass? I’d had Chilean sea bass, but not branzino. Had it tonight in North Beach. Very tasty.

By uga-brave

August 7, 2008 2:48 AM | Link to this

bobby’s cox,

it is not a rant, it is the truth.

bad is bad, i know it seems like a rant, but watching the same no power, no hitting rightfielder day after day is somewhat, how do you say annoying.

if he was not from the atl. he would have not been given the same chance.

2000 plus at bats. but hey he is still young, maybe you are right.

young or not, i at least expected a 1/2 ryan braun out of him.

instead we got barely a austin kearns.

By N Nine

August 7, 2008 3:12 AM | Link to this

super! close the drama chapter on Farve! to NY JETS

By ccrider

August 7, 2008 3:32 AM | Link to this

DOB: THANKS for the quick response. I think if Frank Wren follows in the footsteps as John S., the Braves will do one of the following: Sign Burrell or Dunn, Pickup a starting picher in trade: Halliday, Greinke or Jason Duchscherer. If the pitcher is Greinke($4) or Jason D.($6), then the Braves will go after Jon Garland. Approx Cost: Jason D. $6 Mill, J.Garland $11 Mill., Burrell/Dunn $14 Mill=$31 Mill. Bringing Total payroll to about $79 Mill. Leaving $11 to $16 Mill to determine Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton, additional Bullpen pitcher and 2 bench players. None of which should expect much money in base salary.

By nolie

August 7, 2008 3:50 AM | Link to this

Big Easy: That was my impression as well. I was under the impression that a player had to play for 3 years before gaining arbitration rights, and 6 years for free agency unless he was released by the team (a la Giles). But I could be wrong. I think the Japanese rookies work differently… at least they all seem to come over with contracts ready anywayTennPaul

I originally thought so too, but he was signed as a free agent by Seattle in 2005 which seems to be more like a Japanese import than a rookie. I hope we do have control of him, but I would love for DOB to check it out officially with Wren and let us know.

By nolie

August 7, 2008 4:10 AM | Link to this

I’ve had a change of heart. I am gonna leave. To be surrounded by such idiocy is beneath me. Some of Y’all are cool as Hell. Others are hoplessly lost in a sea of stupidity.Shamus

Don’t go away mad ST, but what can you expect from the tone of many of your posts? You make a lot of very subjective and judgmental posts with no real proof and pound them down everybody’s throat over and over again. Gets old .

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 4:48 AM | Link to this

uga-brave

hey, i’m with you on the frenchy rant/truth. I don’t want him back next year, this year, etc….but you’re right, he’s an atl boy, so back he’ll be.

His troubles and mechanics are beyond repair. They’ve entered the AJ territory of no turning back. I’m afraid his mind (a.k.a ego) will get in the way of any kind of potential change that is needed to succeed. TP already tried helping him, yet that was before Wellman got a hold of him.

Shamus

I enjoy your wit. Keep bloggin’

By semiballcoach

August 7, 2008 6:51 AM | Link to this

DOB—if the braves were to re-sign hampton, isn’t there a limit on how much they can cut his pay?

By FloridaBrave

August 7, 2008 7:22 AM | Link to this

DeepThroat,

Good response on the Prado/Johnson talk. People are assuming Prado will extrapolate his numbers in a small sample over a full season as a starter. That’s flawed logic. Like I’ve said a million times, trading Johnson- albeit the player we get back would fill a hole presumably- would only open up another hole at 2B. You guys can say “Oh well, Prado will fill it or “Lillibridge would fill it” but they haven’t proven to hit at the ML level. Once that day comes, then you entertain the option.

Bobby’s Cox,

First, refer above to my comments on Johnson/Prado. And yes, Kimbrell’s been a beast. I did a big post on a past blog about our prospects and mentioned this kid could fly through the system like Joey Devine. I’d expect him to be up September ‘09. Mid-high 90’s fastball with a sharp slider- he’s a guy who will contend for a spot in our top 10 prospects next year.

As for Hampton,

Say Hampton does look for $1 yr for $1 mil. What’s the worst that can happen? He misses an entire year. Okay, we’ve stomached that. What’s the best that can happen? He wins 12-15 games and sports an ERA around 4.00 in 180+ innings. Does the reward not outweigh the risk? Especially considering the era we’re in when Sabathia and Sheets will get $15-18 mil a year?

Speaking of Sabathia and Sheets, I don’t see how we land one of them. First off, the competition will be intense and secondly, it hasn’t been the Braves’ style to build through free agency.

I’m all for landing an ace though, but it should be with 2010 and beyond in mind. In John Donavan’s article I agree and disagree with Wren. I agree we have a solid young nucleus(It should be no secret I love our farm system and young players). But I disagree with him when he says we can contend next year. I fear by trying we may only dig ourselves in a bigger hole.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

FloridaBrave, yes, the worst that can happen if the Braves re-sign Hampton for 1 year/$1 million is another injury that keeps him out a year. But almost as bad would be nagging injuries here and there that cause him to miss starts and pitch poorly. In that case the Braves just used up a roster spot and a million dollars on an ineffective pitcher.

That brings up something else, no one really knows how good Mike Hampton is and can be next season. He is 35 years old and hasn’t had anything all that close to a truly great season since 1999 or 2000. With the Braves he’s been pretty good when healthy but overall he hasn’t been anything all that special.

Another way to look at it, his career ERA+ is at 109. His ERA is 9 percent better than league average when adjusted for league and park. At 36, that’s not likely to get all that much better.

Hampton wouldn’t be a bad risk for a team that needs pitching, but is it worth it for the Braves to pay and use a roster spot on a mediocre pitcher when they have some cheaper options that would likely perform just as well and wouldn’t be quite as risky in terms of injury?

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Anyone who is an espn.com insider should check out Peter Gammons’ blog from Wednesday:

Why there is so much made of who hits behind whom, when it’s who hits in front that counts.

David Ortiz can’t hit without Manny Ramirez? He has experience doing just that.

In his Red Sox career, Ortiz’s OPS with Ramirez hitting behind him is 1.0000. With anyone else, it’s .998.

By Lew

August 7, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Coach-I almost hate pointing this out to you, but I was talking to a Denizen on the phone last night and I mentioned hating to admit you were right about anything, but I was becoming more and more impressed with the play of Gregor Blanco-someone you’ve espoused for quite some time.

Now that he’s performing to expectations, having 13 pitch at bats, working pitchers, walking frequently, bunting and stealing bases (not to mention throwing runners out from the outfield), you want to replace him because Josh Anderson (who I talked about frequently from Florida) has figured out AAA pitching?

Make up your addled mind.

By Moby Grape

August 7, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

but I was becoming more and more impressed with the play of Gregor Blanco-someone you’ve espoused for quite some time.Lew

I sure don’t remember him pushing Gregor. He has been pushing Josh all year. I was arguing for Gregor over Josh in the spring and I think coach was one of the guys that I was arguing with. I might be misremembering.

By flange1

August 7, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Lew,

I think Coach wants Frenchy benched and Josh to play in RF.

That would certainly give us a powerful outfield.

But I guess it is about as powerful as the one we have right now!!!!

By chrisklob

August 7, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

semi ballcoach,

Not to speak for DOB but I believe that is only true in the event that he is offered arbitration. In that case I believe that his salary would have to be no less than 90% of this year’s salary.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

i remember going at it with Wayne in Utah about blanco during the winter/spring. i was pushing blanco. this was before the mark kotsay trade, and i figured blanco had a really good shot at being the CF for us, but wayne figured blanco was not a player and couldnt handle the majors.

dont doubt me, wayne. :-)

By lewie

August 7, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

:yawn

another one run loss….but at least we were in the game until the end

how about JF swinging at that fastball at the eyes that ripped 101?

sweet newborn jeebus that’s a fastball

By Gil In Mechanicsville

August 7, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Wishful thinking That is what resigning Hampton at $1 million per year would be if he pitched well for the rest of the season…

With the ungodly amount being paid to even mediocre pitchers these days, for Hampton to be offered $7 million would not be unlikely.

Now, that is not to say the Braves would offer him that much but somebody will. Philly would be a prime contender in that sweepstakes. So would be the Dodgers or the Padres.

By David O'Brien

August 7, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

I’ve got a 9:30 PDT flight to Phoenix, and it’s a Southwest cattle-call (Delta doesn’t do non-stops from here to there), so pardon me if I’m a bit short-fused later today (OK, no comments from the peanut gallery on that one).

By Gil In Mechanicsville

August 7, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

On Gregor… He was a nice little player in AAA, the only question I had about him was his ability to hit in the big leagues. He had a major league arm and good range. It appears he has adapted very well to the lead off spot and while not the power hitting centerfielder Braves fans to which Braves fans were accustom, he is just the type of guy most teams look for in that spot.

I think he is going to be even better next year.

By THIS JUST IN

August 7, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Yunel Escobar’s OPS is 715.

If Rafael Soriano needs Tommy John Surgery, the Braves will have 20 million recovering from TJ surgery next season.

More than a fifth of their bloody payroll!!!!

Frank is going to have to get creative for this team to finish any higher than third next year.

By Lee in S GA

August 7, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

how about JF swinging at that fastball at the eyes that ripped 101?

sweet newborn jeebus that’s a fastball

lewie

Yep, I must say I laugh a little at that. It was one nasty fastball.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

I don’t know that whatever Josh Anderson has figured out would translate into being a good everyday player in the majors. He still doesn’t walk all that much, he strikes out almost twice as much as he walks and has virtually no power. 100 of his 126 Triple-A hits are singles. He’s only posted a slugging percentage over .400 in one season throughout his minor league career, and it was barely over .400 (.403 in 2004).

By McFann :Ō:

August 7, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Run, Heap, Run! Wow McFann. Frenchy’s had more than that just this season. Right?

Ha, not quite…

He’s got 81 K’s this year (fewer than Grove, surprise, surprise), McCann’s got 46.

Francoeur has an even 400 K’s in his career.

By Doc Holliday

August 7, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Shaun

Then how come Braves cant find a cleanup hitter with Chipper hitting 3rd???

Did I misunderstand the comment you pasted?

By Lew

August 7, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

Moby-Gregor was his boy before we got Josh Anderson (who I personally liked after seeing him play in Orlando). Part of his whole Speed kills thing. He raved all through last season and the Arizona Fall League about Blanco’s play. I’m just concedeing (likely in a weak moment) that even Coach can be right every now and then-improbable though that may be.

Like I said, though, Blanco has been putting in some real good at bats and even though I do like Josh Anderson, I see little point in changing leadoff hitters at this time. That’s not our problem, the lack of power is.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Doc Holliday, I’m not sure what you are asking when you say, “Then how come Braves cant find a cleanup hitter with Chipper hitting 3rd???” Not trying to be a smart a**. I really don’t know.

Gammons’ point was that everyone talks about how Ortiz is going to struggle without Manny, etc. But he’s virtually the same hitter with Manny hitting behind him as with others hitting behind him.

By Renegator

August 7, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

mlbtraderumors.com reports that Brian Giles was claimed off waivers by an unknown team. Any chance it was the Braves?

mlbtraderumor.com also reports that the Padres will try to work out a deal with that team.

Giles sports a line of .318/.405/.438 away from Petco this year.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

August 7, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

The only problem with McCann hitting in the four spot is he can’t do it everyday… He has grown into that spot very well….

By SoWeGa Fanatic

August 7, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Release Diaz? Why would yuo release a career .310 hitter?????????

By DAP

August 7, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

the braves could do worse than brian giles, thats for sure. our outfield needs alot of work.

but, if the braves get giles, it probably means they arent going to go after a big bat for the outfield, because that would certinly mean that jeff doesnt have a spot in the outfield. i dont think they will determine that before spring training, so part of me hopes that it isnt the braves. but if it is, i wouldnt hate it.

By flange1

August 7, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

DAP,

Or maybe they are thinking of trading Frenchy for pitching?

Maybe?

By McFann :Ō:

August 7, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Gil In Mechanicsville

Yeah, it would be nice if the Braves could find a good right-handed bat that could hit in the cleanup spot when McCann gets the day off.

McCann has been very good in the four spot this year. In 31 plate-appearances, he’s hit .360 (9-25) with a .484 OBP and an .800 SLG. 3 homers, 2 doubles, 6 BB, 3 SO, 10 RBI, 5 RS…not bad at all.

But, I know, it’s a small sample size. ; )

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

DAP, Giles can play left, so I don’t see that it means Francoeur doesn’t have a spot.

By Doc Holliday

August 7, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Shaun

Please dont use bad words………its too early in the morning. Thought we were friends. I was not trying to attack you, but Gammons comment.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

i wonder what mike cameron will cost this winter? he might not be a bad plan B if we have trouble getting an outfielder…we cold play him against lefties only. we could get cameron even if we did get a big bat for left field, but we would have to do something with diaz.

By Random

August 7, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

McFann =Ō=: “Well, McCann’s DGANG stats jumped up today. I’ll have the “official” results up later, if y’all want.”

Well, sure, of couse we want — better you crunching numbers than us.

(-8

Canuckbravesfan: “you raised a point about Yunel I’ve been wondering about—The impact on team morale of players who consistently under-perform, whether it be a back-up catcher or relief pitcher who keeps getting shelled, but still is put in games and costing the team a chance to win.”

Not exactly the point I was trying to make, but thanks for the acknowledgement.

About your point: the players on the team have so much more knowledge about each other than we do about them, and such a different and complex relationship with each other and the manager than we could know, that it’s no surprise at all that we would be clueless about the internal chemistry, morale and opinions they might have about each other.

For example, who among us here would have expected the Braves players to bid such a cheery farewell to MGiles, and such a reluctant one to AJones?

The players know what each others’ physical limitations are better than we do, and also how much and how hard each other is working to overcome those limitations better than we do.

I think that would go a lot farther to affect morale and their feelings about each other and their manager than their actual performance.

“Hard to know”

Exactly.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Doc Holliday, not trying to attack. Just am not sure what you were asking.

By Renegator

August 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

DAP

Good points about the Braves outfield. Giles doesn’t fill the power hole in the outfield but his OBP blows Jeff’s out of the water. I doubt they replace Francoeur without giving him a chance to rebound next year.

Giles would be a great option in LF this year if the Braves were still in it.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

shaun Giles can play left, so I don’t see that it means Francoeur doesn’t have a spot.

please read my 10:28am post again, and if you still have trouble understanding, let me know.

flange1 maybe, but i really think they are going to go into sring training with jeff, and if he isnt getting it done, he will play in AAA next year. i dont see any teams really wanting him. not even the royals. (i think many people see a link there, with moore being the GM) i believe jeff is going to work really hard this offseason, and i really hope he figures it out and proves he can play. if we get a good outfielder to play left next year, and jeff comes back around, we will go from having the worst outfield to one of the better ones pretty quickly.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Renegator, Giles has a $9 million team option for next year. So if the Braves could get him without giving up much, it wouldn’t be a bad move. But I’ve read the Padres would like to keep him so I’m not sure what the Braves would have to give up.

By Doc Holliday

August 7, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Matt should not be released………. Good solid player. Maybe including him in a trade for a better OF or SP could work.

Releasing him would be dumb.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Random and Canuckbravesfan, how many times to players change teams and dramatically over or under-perform expectations. It happens every once in a while but for the most part, players perform rather closely to what one would reasonably expect no matter which clubhouse they’re in. This is another reason why the chemistry issue I believe is somewhat overblown.

By Doc Holliday

August 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Shaun

Never mind, I thought you were agreeing with the statement Gammons said about ortiz.

By Doc Holliday

August 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Anybody thinks THE JOKER is going to win academy award for best actor this year?

By flange1

August 7, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

DAP,

I tend to agree that Frenchy will not be traded. Giles is an interesting player, one that COULD fit, but I would rather see a RH power hitter.

I am also starting to believe that Blanco has the lead track on CF next year.

If that is the case we REALLY need some power in LF.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

doc holliday Anybody thinks THE JOKER is going to win academy award for best actor this year?

i dont know, but dang, he was good. what a great movie.

By theo

August 7, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Can we just end the Mike Hampton is hurt talk. It’s no longer a suprise. The guy had a horrible run of bad luck, and hopefully it’s behind him just like his tenure with the Braves.

By Renegator

August 7, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Does everyone realize that the Braves could very easily go the entire 2008 season without winning a 1 run game on the road?

This is starting to get ridiculous. This weekend marks the 1 year anniversary of the last time the Braves won a 1 run game on the road. Embarrassing.

By FloridaBrave

August 7, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Shaun,

Who do the Braves have on roster that would be a better “bang for their buck” than Hampton at 1 yr/$1 mil excluding JJ and Campillo, who have locked up roster spots. Reyes and Morton will more than likely experience more inconsistencies. Hanson/Medlen/Parr/whoever that could get a call-up can’t be expected to produce at a consistent level right away. That leaves you with guys like Caryle and Bennett…

And if Hampton doesn’t pitch well? He gets demoted or cut. At $1 mil, you’re not obligated to spend a lot of time and resources trying to fix him and then have him take playing time from young players(i.e. Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre) just in order to justify the signing.

It’s fun to consider now but we should all wait until the end of the season and decide then(like our decision mean anything…)

By FloridaBrave

August 7, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Cole Rohrbough was promoted to Myrtle Beach. He’s been bothered with a knee injury which has been and will continue to affect his performance but he threw a one-hit gem last night. Cole’s numbers aren’t pretty with control being a big issue but the K/IP ratio is still very encouraging. Apparently, Cole figured something out with his change yesterday to go along with his plus fastball and plus curve ball.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 7, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

I was calling for the Braves to try to get Giles several weeks ago. Of course that was when the team still had a chance to make a run at the division. I still like him, but I don’t see the point of getting him now. If they’re going to grab somebody on waivers it would make more sense to get a RH hitting OF — or wait til the offseason and get a true power threat in a trade.

Most likely teams to get him: Mutts and D-backs. Tho on the mlbtraderumors site one commenter speculated the Dodgers could have claimed him so that they could keep him away from the D-backs. That would make sense.

As for those potential offseason trades, I see a possible match with the Rockies. They have three hitters who scramble to get PT because they’re mostly blocked: Ryan Spilborghs and Jeff Baker from the right side, Seth Smith from the left.

All three are corner OF by trade, though Baker has played some 3B and 1B and has actually gotten a lot of time at 2B this year because the Rox had no other option and really like his bat. (So, would Prado or KJ interest you?) Baker could easily play LF or RF every day.

Spilborghs would probably cost the most to obtain, because he can play all three positions pretty well and he’s the logical successor to Holliday if Matt is not re-signed.

Some folks like Smith better than Tulowitiski, if you can believe that. But he’s mainly pinch hitting — blocked by Holliday and Hawpe.

Anyway, there are three guys who should be available in the winter who I think would hit just fine away from Coors.

By Lew

August 7, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

Florida Brave-The only problem is that if Hampton pitches well enough for us to want to sign him for $1 mil, there will be someone else (can you say Mets?) who will offer even more $$$$. No way in Hell do we get caught in a bidding war-and don’t expect that Hampton will give us a pity discount. Just because the Atlanta Faithful think he should will not be a determining factor, I’d be willing to bet.

Doc-Until (IF) Matt Diaz comes back and shows the early season was a fluke (I tend to think it was), I’m not at all certain he will attract much interest, nor will he bring a puzzle piece better than his own potential.

By Doc Holliday

August 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

DAP

It was a long one, but very good. He was better than Jack Nicholson (by far). Of course new tech helped him but he was sensational. He overshadowed Batman himself. The movie should have been called The Joker and not Batman: Dark Knight

By Thrillhouse44

August 7, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

I still like him, but I don’t see the point of getting him now. BravesFanInRockies

I agree. Why bother? He may be a slight upgrade, but I’d like to see more power added via trade.

Go Morton!

By BravesFanInRockies

August 7, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

flange1,

Re: Blanco. Agreed.

I like him a lot as a leadoff hitter if he’s surrounded with power.

As for Coach proclaiming Anderson the next Rickey?

Please. From age 21 to age 40, Rickey had double-digit home run seasons. Anderson has hit 16 home runs in seven professional seasons. And of course, Rickey walked a lot and Anderson walks not much.

Other than that, they’re very similar.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Never mind, I thought you were agreeing with the statement Gammons said about ortiz.

I do agree that Ortiz is not a worse hitter without Manny, if that’s what you mean.

Just not sure what it has to do with the Braves’ cleanup hitter and Chipper Jones.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

doc He overshadowed Batman himself.

youre right, i wouldnt have changed the title or anything, but the joker definetly took the movie the the next level. i like these movies because they are more than empty entertainment…they actually have something to say, which i really appreciate. many of the superhero movies that have been coming out are like that.

By Thrillhouse44

August 7, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

I just saw a Chris Woodward “game used” (emphasis on the quotes) Braves jersey from 2007. The shocking thing: someone has bid on it!

By BravesFanInRockies

August 7, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

11:59, I meant to say Rickey had 14 double-digit home run seasons. Anderson has hit 16 homers, period.

By Doc Holliday

August 7, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Lew

I have more reasons than not to believe Matt can turn it around. He is not the answer to our problem next year. Im sure you are aware of that. And you are right. His value at this moment is minimal. But since Braves think JF is a better player than matt, there is a chance we will watch matt leave at the end of the season. If his contract is done…….which I think is.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 7, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

BTW, BoSox claimed Giles, presumably to keep him away from the Rays or the Angels. (How many OF do the Angels need?)

By DirtyDawg

August 7, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

It’s a business…that term has pretty much become an admission that there’s no such thing as loyalty anymore. Not from the team and not from the players. The fans? Well for those of us here that criticize these guys when they don’t perform, we’re just excuses for the players to say ‘I wasn’t appreciated so why should I stay, or give ‘em a discount?’ Same thing for the team, if we don’t give ‘em a ton of ‘sell-outs’ every season then the team just says, why should we spend the money to get, or keep, high-priced players?

I remember when we signed Paul Byrd to a big contract…he promptly hurt his arm and spent the next couple of years mending. What did he do as soon as he came back - he signed with somebody else. Did the Braves not offer him enough? Did he feel anything in the form of loyalty to the team that paid him the money while he wasn’t performing?…and by the way, who pays for those surgeries when these guys pull up lame?…

Well, I wonder what Hampton will do. I’d like to think he’d like to play in the National League where he could hit, then again maybe an AL team would let him DH some. I had this epiphany the other day after watching him pitch so well in SF and hearing about the Yankees hot-shot pitcher probably out for the season…whataya bet that NY comes to Atlanta and offers big bucks for Hampton - basically paying off whatever ATL had invested (that the insurance didn’t pay, that is). My guess is that we’d do it…dammit.

By flange1

August 7, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Doc and Lew,

I think that you are both correct on Matt Diaz. He probably will come back and hit better than he did the first half of the year (before injury) but I agree with Doc that he is not a long term answer in LF without Tex in the lineup.

To me B Giles is a similar player (although LH), he is a great hitter, but with Blanco and the 2008 version of Frenchy in RF, he is not the answer.

I like Diaz and have always wanted him in a 4th OF role and PH.

In terms of Anderson, I normally don’t agree with Coach at all, but IF his point is that we are getting basically pitcher quality hitting performance from RF RIGHT NOW, why not put a hot Josh Anderson in to play RF?

SOME production, even if it is singles and stolen bases is better than the complete lack of any offensive production that we are seeing right now.

I guess that does make a little sense if you have an open roster space…..

By Moby Grape

August 7, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Baker could easily play LF or RF every day.BFIR

I know that you are out there where you can be influenced by them Rox, but Baker has a career line away from Coors of .207/266/.340. And it ain’t getting any better this year is .205/.242/.357.Hawpe has decent away numbers and is cheap but his splits against lefties are pretty poor. Let ‘em all stay at Coors. ;-)

By Lew

August 7, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Doc-I agree that Matt likely won’t be re-signed (though he WOULD probably make a good RH Pinch Hitter-much better than Greg Norton, IMO). I just don’t think that Matt will attract much attention without some good play first after a serious injury and won’t bring much of anything in trade-maybe as part of a package-but too many questions on his abilities at the moment remain.

Flange-Dude, First of all, though still not hitting like his capabilities, Frenchy HAS been hitting the ball with considerably more authority and has actually tried being much more patient in his approach at the plate the past couple of weeks. Keep in mind he will probably always be an attack type hitter and nothing is likely to change that-the mechanics, however, are another thing altogether.

I’m just pretty certain that this season is shot to hell and I’ve never known anyone to improve their mechanics or work their way out of a slump (no matter how long the duration) by sitting and not hitting. So what exactly, do we stand to lose with Frenchy playing and attempting to work out his problems? A losing record likely to remain like that anyway?

I just don’t see that Anderson (and I really do like the guy-I believe he’s a better fielder than Blanco and faster, too-scary fast, actually) really adds anything to the team the rest of this season. I also don’t believe that in the long run, they will retain both he AND Blanco-especially since another similar player (Gorkys Hernandez) waits in the minor league wings. Maybe we could showcase Josh for a trade, but I think if he were really in the Braves’ plans more long range, he would be here now and never would have been sent back down to begin with. I’ll leave the amount of walks and respective OBP comparisons to others and just say I don’t think Josh will have many 13 pitch Plate Appearances, and Blanco is exhibiting this talent frequently.

It’s been really interesting this season with TBS no longer broadcasting Braves games. I get to see way too many other broadcast teams, watching on MLB Extra Innings. Some of them (like the two morons in Milwaukee-NOT the radio team with Uecker) have no inkling of what they’re talking about, but others like Mike Krukow and his partner in SF are quite knowledgeable, as are Vin Scully (best in the business now that Skip is gone) and Harry Kallas in Philly. What is interesting are the comments about Francoeur and his career to this point and his current struggles. Seems that the Denizens of the MIB Blog are about the only ones thinking Frenchy is washed up and worthless. League wide, he is considered a top young player, struggles notwithstanding.

Now that being said (not that y’all weren’t aware of my position, anyway), I would not be adverse to seeing Frenchy traded for a pitcher like Zack Grienke (yes, Shaun, I know you don’t consider Zack a potential Brave), or part of a package for another outfielder and some starting pitching.

By Random

August 7, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Shaun: “for the most part, players perform rather closely to what one would reasonably expect no matter which clubhouse they’re in”

Yes, but that’s not what we were discussing. We were discussing not so much players’ (under)performance, as their teammate’s reactions to their (under)performance — morale and/or “chemistry” wise. We (us fans) simply cannot know (in most cases).

“This is another reason why the chemistry issue I believe is somewhat overblown.”

Yes — overblown to us fans.

It (chemistry, morale) is a real thing to the players involved, but we fans are mostly without a clue as to what the real deal in a dugout or clubkouse is (at least, until years after the fact, with the tell-all biographies).

By MGL

August 7, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

I like Brian Giles and his high OBP, but he is the wrong direction for this team to take. He has lost significant power over the past few years, is 37 years old, and last year only played in about 120 games. He would have been a nice pickup if we were still competitive for this year, but I think he is not the correct choice for the future.

Similar feelings about Pat Burrell. He still has power, but AVG is getting shaky at times, and he has bad wheels. I have noticed several times that they replace him with pinch runners or defensive replacements.

I’d like to see tham stay with the under 30 crowd for additiona.

By Random

August 7, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

westy12

You react to me as if you thought that my comments here were my sole contributions to Western Civilization.

But let me assure you, as firmly as I might and in no uncertain terms, that I do also feed pigeons and rescue turtles.

By THB

August 7, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

I’m pretty sure Doc Holliday has been preaching this, tell me if I have mixed someone up…

Milton Bradley can play a solid corner outfield position. And he can rake and is only 30. Not sure what he’ll command, because he’s a switch hitter who leads the AL in OBP and SLG and can play the corner outfield spots. With his attitude aside, he’s an awesome talent. I wouldn’t give him 15 million for 7 years, but maybe a 2-3 year deal at 10 million per year. Then if we just get 2 front of the rotation starters we’re all set. Maybe.

:-)

By flange1

August 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Lew,

I do see and improvement with Frenchy. If he hadn’t acted like such a little girl when he was sent down before, I could see ANderson coming up while hot and let Frenchy go back to Richmond and destroy AAA pitching.

Sometimes success is the best things when in a slump and if Frenchy could go to Richmond and hit .450 with some dingers and RBI, he could come back to the big club raring to go.

I agree that sitting doesn’t help cure slumps.

But Frenchy will not go to Richmond without a fight, so what you are saying is probably what will happen. Leave Frenchy in RF to try to jumpstart his year.

My point was more that I think Coach was trying to say that Anderson being hot and Frenchy being not hot, it would make sense to bring Anderson up.

While I don’t think it will happen, I do see (for once) some logic in Coach’s thoughts… (DID I JUST SAY THAT?)

And I think you are correct that we have 4 players, Blanco, Anderson, Schaffer and G Hernandez that are similar.

I think G Hernandez is safe for the short term because of the level he plays, one or 2 of the other guys might get traded in the off season.

G Hernadez might get the traded in a bigger deal for pitching but I kind of doubt it…

By flange1

August 7, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

And please Frank Wren, NO PAT BURRELL. Not now not ever. He is the poster boy for under achievers.

By Chris Woodward

August 7, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Please no one bid on my game-used jersey. I need that bid that I made to stand up…I’ve been trying to get that thing back for years but the Braves said they need it for kindling.

By flange1

August 7, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Looks like it is the RED SOX who placed the waiver claim on Brian Giles. (ESPN) They are worried about Ortiz and Lowell’s injuries.

By Scott S.

August 7, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Anyone know the time table on an Eric Campbell sighting in bigs? He is raking at Myrtle Beach!!!

By song

August 7, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

I dont think Hampton will ever be on the Top Gun list at efastball.com. Justin Verlander hit 98.5 last night.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

THB maybe doc was too, but i was pushing for bradley pretty hard before tex was traded.

if bradley could keep from getting hurt, he would be great…but im not sure thats possible. he hurt now and he’s mostly been DHing. what would we do if he got hurt and missed time? we either be screwed, or we would need a good back up plan. if we could get hime for a deal like you mentioned…3 years, $30mil…it might be a risk worth taking.

By McFann :Ō:

August 7, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

Random better you crunching numbers than us.

I figured as much. I’ll have those numbers up ASAP. (Gotta do some algebra math, first. After that, I cann do my “leisurely math”.)

By Chop Chop

August 7, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

THB,

I’ve preached this a couple of times:

Milton Bradley is flourishing this season as a DH.

In Bradley’s 92 games played, he has been the DH 65 times for the Rangers. He has started 20 games in the outfield.

If you’ll notice, the man has played 92 games this year while DHing more often than not. The Rangers have played 115 games, so he hasn’t been out there 23 times. He gets injured…a lot.

If the Braves are counting on Chipper Jones (a virtual lock to miss 25-30 games a year) at third base, and their best young hitter (Brian McCann) necessarily is going to miss 20-25 games or so because of the position he plays, how can they have a left fielder that will miss at least as many games as that a season? I don’t think a team could honestly pencil in Milton Bradley for more than 100 games a season (he’s only played more than 100 games in a season twice in his career) as a full-time outfielder. That is not worth upwards of $10 million a season.

I haven’t mentioned his home/away splits in Texas this year, but the man has 132 ABs at home this year and has mashed 15 HR (1.282 OPS). He has 174 ABs on the road and only 4 HR (.852 OPS).

Anyway, I don’t see Milton Bradley as an option. He’s really having his career year this season and he can’t even stay healthy to make the most of it. I feel bad for the guy.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

flange1, huh? Burrell hasn’t had many bad seasons. Pretty much only one.

But I do agree the Braves may be wise to stay away. He’s probably going to command a pretty big contract and he’s not all that young or likely to stay as good as he’s been.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 7, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Hey Moby,

Baker’s the least attractive of the three, no question. I might consider him in a straight-up swap for Prado. (KJ’s definitely worth more than just Baker.) 203 road PA aren’t much of a sample size and he has played out of position most of the season.

So I would not give away the farm for him. And Smith and Spilborghs are clearly more valuable.

I still consider Baker a decent upgrade over Diaz, if he’s the alternative.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Looks like it is the RED SOX who placed the waiver claim on Brian Giles. (ESPN) They are worried about Ortiz and Lowell’s injuries.

Only a matter of time before bloggers start lamenting the Teixeira trade. “We could have forced Boston to give up more than we got!”

By DAP

August 7, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

as far as burrell goes, i think he would be a fine player to have if he wasnt a focal point. in other words, he is great on a team like the phillies because they are fulle of great hitters. but, if you but burrell on a team like the braves, where we really need him to be one of the best hitters in the lineup, he will dissapoint.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

realistically, the braves probably arent going to get a 30 homer guy to play left field next year. not bay, not lee, not ramierez, or holliday. the braves are going to have to trade for a guy who will hit 30 homers ONE DAY. which means they will have to guess a little bit.

spilborghs, matt kemp (hed be a great one), david murphy, dejesus, these are the kind of guys atlanta is more likley to get, and they will have to give up alot.

By InCognito

August 7, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Shaun, yup…you are correct. You will never convince me that the Braves shouldn’t have at least waited. It could have only worked to their advantage, so when you think about risk vs reward; it made no sense for them to make the trade when they did. Again, if the Kotchman trade was the best they could get at the deadline; go for it.

By Joe

August 7, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

This off season the Braves will: 1. trade for Jake Peavy or Roy Oswalt 2. Sign Sheets or Sabathia 3. sign Manny Rameriz or trade for Carlos Lee

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

FloridaBrave

Sorry i missed your post on Kimbrell. I did read your post updating our minor league teams a few blogs ago, and I thank you for that. I probably just overlooked his name since I wasn’t familiar with it.

Guess we’ll all have to agree to disagree on our 2nd basemen. However, it’s one of the very few positions the braves are loaded in. I’d expect a trade this offseason including one of the following: KJ/Prado/Infante (arb eligible)/Lillibridge - to fill some obvious holes in the lineup, but I still think a lineup with 4 lefties in it is too much. KJ being the lefty at the most loaded position, as well his shotty D, and mild inconsistency’s at the plate, would want me to believe he’d be the odd man out. Unlike others on the team, you can’t say he didn’t have his chance.

By flange1

August 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

My post of the Red Sox and Giles was more about is there any one they are not looking to get?

I was happy with the Tex trade.

In terms of Pat Burrell, I think he is a waste of space and money. The Phillies spent tons of money in Abreau and Burrell hoping they would take them to the promised land.

It didn’t happen.

I would rather have Adam Dunn that Pat Burrell any day of the week.

By Thrillhouse44

August 7, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Chris Woodward, I was thinking of buying it to bury in the new Mets stadium a la the Ortiz jersey in NY. I’m not sure if that would actually jinx the Mets or make them better.

By Random

August 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Canuckbravesfan

A Post Script:

“Bobby Cox has more patience with some of these guys than is justified, I think.”

Please do realize that there is more than a slight possibility of a conflict of interest here — after all, Bobby Cox is the guy that makes out the line-up and decides on in-game substitutions.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

joe 1. trade for Jake Peavy or Roy Oswalt 2. Sign Sheets or Sabathia 3. sign Manny Rameriz or trade for Carlos Lee

  1. doubt this mostly because the west is easy to compete in. a few adjustments and the pads are right back in that division for 09, also the astros GM was buying at the deadline. in other words, hes is clueless, so even if a trade for oswalt made sense, he probbaly wouldnt do it. by the way, oswalt sucks pretty bad this year.

  2. braves will probably be outbid on both, but id like to get one of them.

  3. carols lee will be getting paid $18 mil the next three seasons. ‘stros would have to pay a hefty chunk, and they wont. but by the last year of that contract, they probably will wish they had. on ramierez: never in a million years. one of the last things ill remember skip saying, is when he commented on manny’s quote where hes said that boston doesnt deserve a player like him…skip said “he’s right, and neither does anybody else.” amen to that. keep ramierez away.

By Random by the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo

August 7, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

An NFL Aside:

I’ll admit that I don’t know so much about Brett Favre, but the only image I get when I hear “Pennington” and “New York Jets” is how lush and geen their home field is.

FWIW

By David-ATL14

August 7, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Good to see every NL team correctly pass on Giles.

He’s vastly overrated. Only teams like the Sox and Yanks have the money to pay high dollar for a singles hitting defensive liability.

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

How much is Giles’ contract?

I find it hard to believe that 26 teams passed up on him before the Red Sox claimed him. NL players that are optioned have to go through all NL teams first (From worst record to best), before the AL gets a shot at them.

His contract must be pretty high. Maybe that combined with his age did the trick.

Anyways, if they aren’t already, I think the Braves should do the same with Kotsay. See if anyone bites takes him from waivers, then make a trade. If Giles goes to Boston, that might make some team bite at Kotsay.

By MGL

August 7, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand all the negative focus on KJ. By my simplistic view of the stats, he is the third most powerful hitter on the regular lineup, behind Chipper and McCann. He is second in doubles, 28 to 29 for McCann, plus he is tied with Blanco in stolen bases.

Seems to me there are a lot of worse problems to fix than Kelley.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

David-ATL14, except for Giles has decent power. Petco just zaps it.

By Random by the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo

August 7, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

McFann ;Ō;: “Gotta do some algebra math, first.”

Hey, kid — Y = mx + b — remember that — it’ll stand you in good stead in all your future days.

(As long as you don’t forget that m = “rise over run” — or m = (y1-y2)/(x1-x2).)

Immediately (like, right now), you’ll be able to convert Fahrenheit to Celsius, given 0C = 32F, and 100C = 212F.

You go, girl!!!!!!!

PS: Quick, what is -40 degrees Celsius in Fahrenheit degrees???????

PPS: Y = mx + b — “lest we forget, lest we forget.”

By FloridaBrave

August 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Bobby’s Cox,

I agree that we have some depth in the middle INF now to pull off a trade. But I just don’t see how it’s Johnson unless Lillibridge(in particular, since he’s the one with the most upside) knows the ball around late this season and we see him moved to 2B in winter ball and play well. Until then, I could see him shipped off to the Orioles or Pirates, two teams that are reported to like him a lot.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Bobby’s, I know he has a $9 million club option for next season. Not sure what he’s getting this season.

By brent a.

August 7, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

I’ve been thinking about where, with whom, and for how much Mike Hampton will sign his next contract.

I keep thinking about the name “Jaret Wright”.

Different situation; yes, but there are some similarities.

Wright had chronic arm (shoulder) problems. Resurrected his career with the Braves, and then found someone (the New York Yankees) willing to overpay for him. He gladly obliged. (The Yankees gave him a 3-year, $21 million deal.)

It is quite possible, especially if Hampton pitches well over the last 8 weeks, that someone will throw a large number at him, even if it’s only a 1-year deal.

There are plenty of desperate GM’s out there, looking to do something, anything to improve their team’s chances.

By song

August 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

We could really use some fast guy like Fernando Rodney. He broke 100mph this week. See Top Gun

By Brent A (ss) clown

August 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Jaret Wright, 2004: 15-8, 3.28 era, 186.3 innings pitched.

Mike Hampton, 2008: 1-0, 6.75 era, 16 innings pitched.

Yeah, absolutely similar.

By Random by the Sons and Daughters of I Will Arise

August 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Random: “And to deal for two months of Tex without [even] being in contention would be insane.”

(Sorry Lew, if that doesn’t meet your definition of insanity.)

<-;

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

FloridaBrave

Try to fill out a lineup card. Ultimately you want to go L R L R L R etc…or not have more than a few lefties in a row.

Try it out with the current group. The righties we actually do have, combined with the lefties we have, doesn’t allow guys to hit in their natural positions with a L R L R L R, lineup. Considering that teams like to turn Chipper around to hit him RH, they can breeze through the middle of our lineup. Get out some scratch paper, and go to work.

For that reason, combined with the torrid stretches KJ goes through (i.e. his stats from last Sept to this June/July), and his defense, it’s not crazy for me to think that KJ is extremely expendable.

Look, I like the guy I really do. But, it just doesn’t make sense for the TEAM when you have 2 backups that look to be ready to play everyday, and prove they are every AB they get. Everyone so-called starter on this team feasts or famines together. I wouldn’t mind a shake up.

By MGL

August 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Shaun - “except for Giles has decent power. Petco just zaps it.”

Giles has 3 HR at home and 3 HR away. More doubles away.

Hate to disagree with you, but Giles’ power is in the past. A precipitous decline from 2006 forward.

By ppaddy123

August 7, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

2009 Kelly Johnson LF, Martin Prado 2B

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Thanks shaun for the Giles response.

Good move by the Padres.

By N Nine

August 7, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

flange1 i have to agree here. The time is now to bring anderson. We have nothing to lose. Marr diaz: He’s a tough guy to understand. At times he looks completely lost swinging. Then he will go on a solid tear. He will/should do better in 2nd half. Unsure about the future. We do need to upgrade OF. Maybe Mattie a backup for cheap next year?

Sure hope morton can have back to back good outings.

By Shaun

August 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

MGL, I agree Giles’ power has declined. But his slugging is 50 points higher on the road (.449 vs. .399). .449 is a solid slugging percentage.

Also, I know we are talking power, but a lot of his value is in his on-base ability. He’s still an on-base machine. Lots of teams could have used him as a leadoff guy.

By Random by the Sons and Daughters of I Will Arise

August 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Interested Observer: “When Huddy goes in for his surgery on Friday make sure he gets the Braves frequent customer card punch so we can get one step closer to a free TJ surgery!”

I just now saw this — Funny, funny, funny!!!!!

Thanks!!!!!!!

By DAP

August 7, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

bobby’s cox going L R L R only matters alot if your righties dont hit righties and your lefties dont hit lefties. kelly hits lefties well. it doesnt matter to him. mccann hits lefties well, it doesnt matter to him. kotchman hits lefties well. it doesnt matter to him.

i am with you when it comes to getting a righthander in this lineup, but i dont really think that is a justification for trading kelly. there are others, but i dont think that is one.

By David O'Brien

August 7, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

The eagle has landed. I’ve finally reached my Phoenix hotel, after driving 40 minutes — fortunately to the roiling, pounding strains of Mudhoney’s Superfuzz Bigmuff CD.

Hey, where can I get me one of them reverse mortgages that Robert Wagner’s hawking on the tee-vee? Sounds like a good deal, buddy.

Alright, I’m gonna have to put my bags down, change clothes and get right back in the car to drive downtown to the hangar, AKA Chase Field.

I’ll try to get a new blog up once I get there.

By MGL

August 7, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Shaun, no argument on his value as an on-base machine. the slugging % is unquestionably good on the road, but it is not coming from HR power. I would have thought that his doubles would be higher at home due to the spacious park, but they are not. Don’t get me wrong, I think he is still a great hitter. I just don’t see him as a good Brave candidate for 2009.

By David-ATL14

August 7, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

Giles is just like his brother. Vastly overrated and a shell of what he used to be(Hmmm) He’s a singles hitting defensive liability no matter the park.

Can’t imagine why any team would want to pay his salary for that kind of weak production.

From reading every thing in the Boston media, they don’t want Giles either, just don’t want the Rays to get a crack at him.Due diligence so to speak.

Red Sox beat wrier just posted a blurb saying that the Red Sox would not give up any player whatsoever for Giles. Their hope is that the Pads aren’t willing to let Giles walk for nothing and hope that the Pads will pull back Giles from waivers after they see the Red Sox will part with zero to acquire him.

By Thrillhouse44

August 7, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Superfuzz Bigmuff…what a subtle CD title.

Do ya’ll think it’s true that the BoSox are worried about Ortiz and Lowell? I thought Big Papi was feeling good now.

By MGL

August 7, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

DAP - you are right about KJ, he has a .350 AVG against lefties. Not as much power (0 HR or Triples) so his SLG is slightly less.

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

DAP

I thought about that too…but tell me, are you really that comfortable with McCann, Kotchman, KJ hitting 4,5,6?

I’m not. It’s a tricky situation.

If they hit in that order then the lineup is easy to fill out, but it doesn’t make sense. When Chipper’s playing, that means an opposing team can bring in 1 lefty to face 4 straight hitters. Advantage other team.

I don’t think the odds of 3 lefties getting back-to-back, and perhaps a third “to-back) hits are that great. Lefty-lefty BA is one thing, but a lefty producing power against a lefty is another thing. Not only that, but you don’t expend the othes team’s pen. Not good strategy. The braves are in a tight bind.

I know we’re all fans of the kid, but it just makes sense to me for the braves to relinquish one of those lefties. If Schaffer were ready it would be easy to replace Blanco. But he’s not, so what else are you going to do? Replace him with another lefty Anderson? It’s just a little obvious that KJ is movable. If you don’t agree with me, at least understand the reasoning.

By Deep Throat

August 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

http://tinyurl.com/62a7yc

Hey look, a YouTube video of Chuck James. You can tell it’s him: bald head, two pitches and his name is Chuck.

By N Nine

August 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

DOB,

sounds like you have had a crazy backbreaking day. Hope you had good sleep last night. No rush!

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

DOB

you have to be 62 & older to get one and have equity in your house. Other than that it’s pretty simple, there’s really no other qualification.

But, we all know you’re not 62. You’re music selection would tell us otherwise.

By David O'Brien

August 7, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

By the way, I agree on B. Giles: While he hasn’t slipped to nearly the degree as his brother, he’s just a guy now, just an average to slightly above-average veteran, in my opinion. Used to be one of the best all-around hitters in the league, but doesn’t hit for much power anymore at all.

By Random by the Brotherhood of the Cruciform Sword

August 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

McFann !Ō!: “Hey, yeah! He gave up two last night, didn’t he? Sweet. Now, what about innings…”

Okay, McProf, lessee:

4 IP — 5 IP — 7 IP — ??? IP?

Well, based on your rather simplistic arithmetic formulae —

!0 IP with 0 ER for Hampton on Sunday!!!!!!!

Yee-haw!

(Happy?)

By flange1

August 7, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Thrillhouse,

Not trying to be a smart azz, but did you know that a “superfuzz” and a “bigmuff” are guitar stomp boxes or effect pedals.

No doubt it sounds a bit nasty, and that is exactly what they make your guitar sound like

NASTY!

Another useless piece of guitar info from flange1!

(By the way a flange is also a guitar effect)

By DAP

August 7, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

bobby’s cox i agree kelly is movable, and i understand the reasoning, i just dont think its a GOOD reason. its not bad to have blanco(lefty) escobar(righty) chipper(switch) mystery player(righty, ideally) mccann(lefty) johnson(lefty) frenchy(righty) kotchman(lefty)

i dont think thats bad to do, especially since all of our lefties hit lefties pretty well…and yes, im ok with batting kotchman 8th.

but i get you, man. kelly could be the most tradeable guy we have this offseason. to me, it would be a shame, unless we got a really good player for him.

By Deep Throat

August 7, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand all the negative focus on KJ. By my simplistic view of the stats, he is the third most powerful hitter on the regular lineup…

Kelly Johnson has been the team’s fourth best overall hitter this season, and third still on the team. The only ones better, according to the stats, are Chipper, McCann and the now-gone Teixeira.

Yeah, let’s get rid of him for Martin frickin’ Prado. Glad Bobby’s Cox isn’t the GM…

Seems to me there are a lot of worse problems to fix than Kelley.

It’s like these Kelly-bashers forgot about Jeff Francoeur or something. No justification at all for complaining about Johnson over Francoeur or wanting to keep Francoeur over Johnson. It’s sheer lunacy.

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

their hope is that the Pads aren’t willing to let Giles walk for nothing and hope that the Pads will pull back Giles from waivers after they see the Red Sox will part with zero to acquire him

Tough luck for the red sox. Looks like they got scared and balked at the idea of someone else getting him. I don’t think the Pads care to get anything for him. Dumping is salary is probably all they’re looking for. Dumb move Boston.

By Big Easy

August 7, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Random by the Brotherhood of the Cruciform Sword

I like this one, Random! Protect the Grail for us! :)

~E~

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Deep Throat

Thanks not Chuck James. Chuck is a lefty!

Other than that, couldn’t really tell.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

he’s just a guy now, just an average to slightly above-average veteran, in my opinion.

in other words, he is a nice player to have, but he isnt the big time player that the braves need for the outfield.

By Saltywoody

August 7, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Used to be one of the best all-around hitters in the league, but doesn’t hit for much power anymore at all.

At least he’s still got his sweet blond-streaked hair and his mouth is dyed brown from chaw.

By McFann :Ō:

August 7, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Random By Something To Do With Oingo Boingo

Oh, I know the y = mx + b equation. That’s one of their favorites in our math book. And they like to make sure that b = a fraction and not a whole number—prob’ly because whole numbers are a heck of a lot easier to work with. I don’t mind those so much, unless we have to draw the line or “find the equation of line A” or whatever. But if they hand us, say:

Solve by elimination:

2x + 3y = 6, x - 2y = 4

That’s kinda fun…

PS: Quick, what is -40 degrees Celsius in Fahrenheit degrees???????

Uh…18.87°F?

!0 IP with 0 ER for Hampton on Sunday!!!!!!!

Do you mean “10”? Because that’s the way it seems to figure.

Uh-oh…

OK, sorry for such a long post, and I would have come back sooner, but our power went out for a little over an hour—

Anyway, here’s McCann’s DGANG stats, posted a little later than expected (you’ve all been on the edge of your seats, I’m sure):

.333 AVG (19-57), 3 HR, 7 2B, 8 RBI, 7 BB, and 11 SO.

By Thrillhouse44

August 7, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

flange1, thanks for the info. I had no clue. I enjoy music but have never really been educated on the art. And now I know the meaning behind your name too.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

hey what do you guys think is the possibility of the white sox trading us jermaine dye in the offseaon? hes signed through ‘09 with a club option for ‘10. the sox will need some good players in return, but i think dye would be ungettable.

By DAP

August 7, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

i meant to say i DONT think dye is ungettable.

By Mike

August 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Couple of things on the discussion today.

Chipper should bite the bullet and hit 4th.

Lineup could be:

Blanco

Escobar

Kotchman

Chipper

McCann

Francoeur/Infante

Johnson

Infante/Francoeur

Brian Giles still gets on base at a 40% rate. Therefore he is a VERY usefull baseball player.

There is NO REASON anyone should be bashing Kelly. The guy has the 5th best OPS of any 2nd baseman in the NL out of 11 that qualify. I believe 9th in the majors out of 20 that qualify.

By flange1

August 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

Thrillhouse,

Most “normal” people would have no clue what those terms mean, just us guitar geeks….And believe me if you think Shaun likes his stats, be careful talking guitars with guitar geeks.

A single question can lead to a 20 minute discussion.

OOPS, I am doing it again!!

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

DAP

that’s a good lineup, but unlike you,i don’t like Kotchman hitting 8th. Not bad and props to you, but at least you see how radical it is that to put together a lineup that makes sense, you’d have to have a guy like Kotchman hit 8th, since you foreshadowed the question and all.

Deep Throat

They better get something damn good for him if they move him.

You wanna talk about Frenchy? Don’t get me started. If you think my KJ talks are annoying, redundant, & harsh, you won’t want to see me talk about Frenchy. I refrain from such talks for the good of the blog.

BTW, i wouldn’t miss Frenchy for a second. I would miss KJ….hard to believe, eh? And 1 more thing, prado and infante are nice solid ballplayers. I wouldn’t be advocating such a change if our only other option were Gotay. We’d get the most for KJ, and we need a lot. That’s saying a lot..

I’m glad i’m not the GM either. I would envy being in Wren’s shoes these days, maybe except for the perks.

By AGTfan

August 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

So what exactly, do we stand to lose with Frenchy playing and attempting to work out his problems?

We’d lose the opportunity of having silence from the blogs #1 hater, uga-brave.

By flange1

August 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

All,

Mets won today so we might see our “friend” the Sniper tonight….

By Deep Throat

August 7, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Thanks not Chuck James. Chuck is a lefty!

Oh shoot, I forgot about that.

Still seems a lot like Chuck James though.

By N Nine

August 7, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson switched back to old stance and produced .370 last 13 games.

Can we please bring back Anderson? What did the guy do? Is there something i don’t know?

Mcfann how did i all of the sudden end up in a math class?

By Big Easy

August 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

flange1, the Big Muff is the best distortion pedal you can get, IMO. But you gotta have the old, original Electro-Harmonix ones, or the big green Russian Sovtek model. The newer EH ones don’t sound the same.

~E~

By N Nine

August 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

I refrain from such talks for the good of the blog. bobby’s cox

since when have you cared?

By McFann :Ō:

August 7, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

N Nine

Heh x 2…Sorry…

By flange1

August 7, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

E,

Totally agree! I have a vintage one and a Russian model. Still think the wooden boxes that Russian stuff came in were cool….

Did you know that the Monster album from REM was made using the Russian Big Muff and Mesa Trem o verbs that Pete Buck swiped from Pearl Jam?

By flange1

August 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Sorry, Swiped was the wrong word choice, let’s say Pearl Jam GAVE the stuff to Pete…..

By Goat Horns

August 7, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

The close losses are maddening!

The old saying is that every team in baseball (even the worst) is going to win 50 games. Every team in baseball (even the best) is going to lose 50 games.

These are games where everything is going right (or wrong) and therefore you are going to either win or lose accordingly.

It is the remaining 62 games in which the fate of a team is determined. These 62 are the games where either team has an equal chance of winning.

These are the close games where managers, coaches, general managers (to some extent), team attitude, and also fans (to some extent) have a say in the outcome.

We very seldom win these close ones!

By Couch Tater

August 7, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Moving tribute to Skip just now on TNT during the PGA Championship.

By N9:Ō:

August 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

no prob. mcfann we will discuss plenty of numbers…mccann’s that is

By N Nine

August 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Those KJ haters..how are you going to prove Kelly is below average..I cant see it,plus i think he is underachieving

By Saltywoody

August 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

Flange and Big Easy Since you’ve readily identified yourselves as guitar nerds, then I’ll ask you a guitar-nerdy question.

I’m going into a studio to record a bunch of songs I’ve been working on for quite some time. Trouble is that I had to return my friend’s nice old acoustic/electric Gibson dreadnought the other day that I’ve had for 17 months…and am now without an acoustic/electric to play.

Question then becomes twofold. 1. Does GuitarCenter rent guitars by the day? 2. If not, any suggestions on a relatively inexpensive acoustic/electric that will still sound solid and clear enough for a recording? I’m talking in the $500-$1000 range. I’ve been looking at Larrivees lately, but wondering if you cats had any input.

Although, I guess if you’re talking about stompboxes, perhaps we’re into different kinds of tunes. About the only thing I use when I’m playing acoustically is a jamman loop pedal.

By Couch Tater

August 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Flange 1

If you haven’t seen it,checkout the Brent Mason,Vince Gill vid on Youtube.(if you like hot pickin’.)

By McFann :Ō:

August 7, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

N Nine

We sure will…those are the best kind of numbers (usually)! One thing I love about baseball: Computing the numbers!

Hey hey HEY! You stealin’ my Turtle?

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By CONNECTICUT BRAVES FAN

August 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Any major league all-star who would like to participate and win the Home Run contest at the All-Star Game next year should select Chuck James as his batting practice pitcher and he would be guaranteed to win.

Chuck has perfected one pitch - the home run ball.

By Bobby's Cox

August 7, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

N Nine

Not a KJ hater here, but for starters, of all 2nd basemen that have at least 60 games at 2nd base this year, KJ ranks 23rd out of 28.

Now that’s below average.

The question was asked here the other day, including by the blogmaster DOB, at what point does offensive production outweigh defensive woes?

One of those worse than KJ this year defensively, Kinsler, seems to pick up the slack at the plate.

If you want the offensive splits from earlier in the year, i’ll give them to you. Many on here gave Tex a hard time for lack of production in the spring months of the season, but at least his defense was solid. At what point do we get on KJ? Should we not cuz he’s a good guy with power potential and isn’t in a free agency year?

By Gil in Mechanicsville

August 7, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Yes, it was amazing the decline of some formerly premier player once their supply of Kick-a-poo Joy juice was terminated….

By N Nine

August 7, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

KJ ranks 23rd out of 28. bobby’s cox

need more details? how do you get 23?

By Deep Throat

August 7, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

KJ ranks 23rd out of 28.

No, say it isn’t so! According to people here, Kelly Johnson is by far the worst defensive second baseman in the game! There are five worse. Impossible, say the KJ-bashers.

Kelly Johnson’s above average offense from second base outweighes his slightly-below average defense. He is simply not THAT bad at second.

This season:

Kelly Johnson: 11 errors

Yunel Escobar: 11 errors

Yet only Johnson is talked about as “error-prone” and a “bumbler”.

Good grief.

Kelly Johnson is an above average player, who is cheap and entering his prime aged 27 season next year in 2009. Leave him at second base. He’s a solid player.

By Lew

August 7, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Saltywoody-Not positive if it is still so, but Epiphone (made by Gibson for decades), sells (at least the electric) same models that Gibson does, but they are considerably less expensive, though they look identical and, from what I hear, play about the same. Never heard anyone complain about them, either.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

August 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Epiphone is a very good quality instrument that is owned by Gibson. Biggest difference is Epiphone is made in Korea.

By David O'Brien

August 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG UP

By N Nine

August 7, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

bobby’s cox n KJ BASHERS

With bobby’s bad anlysis , I decided to research MLB’s 2nd basemen. (bobby’s you CANT just say hes 23rd best)

he’s 24th in BA(.277) (counting everyone) (thats where ur facts end) by the way .277 is about average in baseball in BA

he’s T-10th in HR ..one more T6th he’s 10th in RBI he’s 12th in total bases he’s 9th in walks he’s 9th in SB he’s 11th in hits he’s 11th in RUNS scored

There are 30 teams..15th would be average OH you say DEFENSE:

he’s 10th in Fielding percentage he’s 2nd in Errors with 11..but NINE players have 9 or 10 errors.

With all the numbers before us: WHERE IN THE WORLD do you get BELOW average…by a simple batting average?? PLEASE??? ..are you really gonna judge someone since he’s hitting .277 which is 24th and RATE him 23rd??? great Anlysis.

enough said. I still dont see anyone with a good reasoning that kelly is below average!!

By Tomas

August 7, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Deep throat,

I agree with you. Kelly Johnson is slightly below average defensively in second, and above average with the bat. I guarantee you, Kelly Johnson will end with a higher average, and more RBI’s than last year. He has a very nice balanced swing, and now he says he is feeling comfortable for the first time in the plate, and the improved numbers over the past two week are a result of that. Defensively he has improved from last year, at least he learned to back hand a grounder, and before this Giants series he was great defensively.

By bravos2249

August 7, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Deep

Not to start anything, but even when Kelly does get outs he bobbles the ball more than any other player I’ve seen before.

By John

August 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

If the Braves even make an offer to Mike Hampton it is a signal that nothing will change and that the Braves will already be history next year and for the years to come.

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