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By gg

August 3, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

1st

By Cecil34

August 3, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

I was very happy to hear that Cork-Wad was gone.

Clint will do just fine as Mac’s backup.

No more wondering how many DP’s Cork-Wad was going to hit into when he played.

Can’t wait to get Mac back in the line-up.

Anyone ever wonder who Cork-Wad paid off to stay on the roster this long?

By Steve from OH

August 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Jacob Thompson signed? Good work Frank Wren!

By Robert S

August 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

The Blue Ridge Parkway in N.C. is one of my favorite roads. I usually stay in nearby Maggie Valley at a place called the Abbey Inn, about 4000 feet up in elevation. The rooms have no air conditioning, but the temperature never goes any higher than about 75, and at night, just open the windows, turn on the ceiling fan, and enjoy the cool air. I highly recommend it.

It’s just the thing to get your mind off the Braves’ shortcomings.

By McFann Ô

August 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Top five? Maybe fourth, just like the Braves…

Thanks for the new blog and the McCann stuff, Ms. Rogers. You cann tell he hates sitting on the bench…He just looks kinda bored. Guess he got some practice in during the All-Star Game, though…

Glad to read he passed the test all three times!

His return couldn’t come soon enough for me, either!

Wish I could watch the game live today, in case he gets a pinch-hit. But we’re going to Grandma’s 70th Birthday party. Hey, maybe my not watching will bring some “good luck”, right?

: >

By Robert S

August 3, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

Cecil34, there are a lot of roster decisions that have left me and many others scratching our heads this year, with Corky’s presence being the most baffling.

Good to see they finally realized The Royce Ring Show needed to go out of syndication, because it was a hit for National League batters - literally!

By Goodoleboy58

August 3, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

I was trying to find some stats to support my “Francoeur bats every 9th inning” theory and all I could come up with is AB’s 7th inning and on… In which Frenchy has 142 AB’s which is 2nd to only Jose Castillo’s 143 AB’s. Francoeur’s line in the 7th inning and on you may ask:

31/142 for a .218 BA 4 HR, 14 RBI 23 K .268/.366/.634

Out of the top 35 people in AB’s after the 7th inning only Chris Young (.205) and Jason Kendall (.234) have a lower OBP then Frenchy

By Cecil34

August 3, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Robert

I know what you mean - I never fully understood why Javy decided to call it a career in spring training unless he was forced to.

But for Corky? Is that the best we could do? Never made sense……

By A-ville Ranger

August 3, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Just a final thought on Tex.I’ve said before if he really wanted to stay in Atlanta he could have signaled as much.Manny(also a Boras client) has already stated he wants to stay in LA.Boras works for Tex so it’s Mark who decided to be all about Mark….good riddance.

By Carroll Rogers

August 3, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Robert S. i was at the pisgah inn. sounds just like the abbey inn. open the curtains to see blue heaven as far as the eyes can see.

shock of all shocks, craig counsell gets a hit. how long has that guy been pestering the braves?

By NCBravesFan

August 3, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Carroll That part of NC is really my favorite! Have you been up to DuPont to see the waterfalls, or hiked the Graveyard Fields?

Question about Glavine … and sorry if I missed this earlier in the year … did he have an MRI on the elbow and if so, did it show anything? I remember hearing that they were not sure if surgery might be the ultimate answer (so I’m wondering if there is a sign of damage in there they hope has healed on its own)? If anyone knows, I’d appreciate knowing. Thanks!

By Goodoleboy58

August 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Great start against Sheets we better get everything we can in the 1st inning

By Jeff321

August 3, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

I think its time Infante gets used like Mark Derosa. In other words, keep him in the lineup everyday and just switch his position around. He could fill in at 3rd, SS, 2nd, and all outfield positions.

On a side note: Frenchy wishes he could get a 11 pitch walk like Blanco. What a joke this guy has become!

By Carroll Rogers

August 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

31 pitches for sheets the first inning. ….11 in the blanco at-bat. 9 in the kotsay at-bat.

By Carroll Rogers

August 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

36 pitches for sheets the first inning. ….11 in the blanco at-bat. 9 in the kotsay at-bat.

By Doc Holliday

August 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Lew

Good afternoon. Im not going to answer to your 800pm post addressed to me, cause Im not into making enemies. But Im pretty sure by now that you have noticed that you showed no class. I´m also sure that you are a gentleman, so maybe you address like one to me next time, if not, so be it, I would understand. No hard feeling from me.

By Carroll Rogers

August 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

NCBravesFan. We drove right past Graveyard Fields, which was hopping yesterday by the way, and up to the top of Sam Knob (right near Black Balsam.) It was my brother’s favorite spot and he passed away a year ago. So a very cathartic place to be, needless to say. Highly recommend the view and the hike isn’t bad. We got my 68-year-old mom to the top.

It’s my understanding that Glavine had an MRI early on after the injury and the MRI reveals there’s a tear in the flexor tendon but not the degree to which it is torn. the throwing was going to tell him that - how it did as he increased his effort - and amazingly, so far, it seems to be holding up.

i meant to say 36 pitches for sheets. not sure if i made my correction in time before it posted. rookie!

By kirknga

August 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Nice start again to the game. What a difference it makes having guys that can make contact, foul off pitches, and put the ball in play.

People were talking about Sabathia’s weight yesterday, but looking at Sheets, he can’t be that far behind CC.

Carroll thanks for the update on Acosta, I believe the Braves miss his arm in the pen.

By Doc Holliday

August 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

How are you muts fans doing?

Great Billy Wagner blowing his 7th save of the year in a big way………can you spell S-W-E-E-P ??? Are you scared of the all mighty Astros?

muts fan in atlanta

It looks like you will also be needing some closer for 2009……..another position to fill. And counting.

By The Goche

August 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Gary (last blog)

Lackey is only a FA if the Angels decline his option. I actually believe they might do this. Saunders, Santana, and Weaver will dictate that they do this.

Lackey is an ace. He has a career ERA of like 3.75. He averages like 200 K or more per year. At their very highest potential any of these three guys could maybe one day be as good as Lackey.

Meanwhile Lackey’s option is 9 millon dollars. That option is $3 million less than Smoltz’s option for 2009. His option is EQUAL to Tom Glavine’s for 2009.

They have other options as well such as Jon Garland would be cheaper and younger,

Garland is only one year younger, and he actually is a free agent. His contract this year was actually more than Lackey’s will be next year by 3 million bucks (30%!). This is all for a guy with a career ERA that is .63 higher than Lackey’s.

plus they have Adenhart coming up and Escobar coming back from injury. Adenhart currently posting 5.87 ERA in AAA and Escobar will be making half a million dollars more than Lackey.

They let Colon walk last year and would surely let Lackey walk this year in order to resign both Vlad and Tex.

Colon was a 33 (almost 34) year old free agent last offseason who was overweight and had pitched a total of 155 innings over two seasons. Lackey will probably top that number or come pretty close this season even having started late due to an injury.

And again, most importantly, Lackey is not a free agent. He has a guaranteed cost next year of $9 million.

For reference, Kevin Millwood is the 15th highest paid starting pitcher in baseball in terms of average per year of current contract. He averages $12 mill per year.

And don’t be so sure that they will be letting him go after next year either. They might not be able to afford him, but if they can they will. And of course buying out his option would kill any chances of resigning him.

Lackey will be worth much much more over the next several years than Vlad and will likely cost less.

No amount of money that they need to save will make them think that they will be a better team next year by saving 8.5 million (.5 mill buyout on the option) by not having John Lackey pitch for them.

By Joe Simpson

August 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Oh that Omar Infante. I don’t care if his career on-base percentage is .302 in well over 500 major league games…he’s a ballplayer.

The rest of the team? They’re fakes. Omar Infante’s hits are so clutch and way more playery (or is it playeree?) than everyone else’s! Trade Chipper, Escobar, Johnson or Kotchman this offseason and start him everyday. That or forget trading for Matt Holliday this offseason or signing Adam Dunn or Pat Burrell for left field…we have gritty, grinder Omar Infante. Infante a player I tell you. He rocks so much more than everyone else. His hits are so much more majestic than everyone else’s.

Did I mention Omar Infante is a player?

By Robert S

August 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Carroll, where is this Pisgah Inn? I’ve gotta check it out. I’m always looking for new and interesting places to stay during my frequent travels up there.

By flange1

August 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Hey Doc,

Did you see that Wagner is going in for a second MRI on his pitching arm?

Major league bummer there…

Maybe Alou can come back and pitch.

By NCBravesFan

August 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Carroll Thanks for the word on Glav. I hope it holds up for him.

Sorry about your brother - I remember reading the story you wrote about that - very touching. I’m glad you set aside some time up on the Knob with your family..

By SteelCav

August 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

I am thrilled to hear the Jacob Thompson news. I’ve seen him play in person several times in Charlottesville, and this kid is a gamer. JT is the all-time wins leader for UVa’s up-and-coming baseball program. Had a rough year last season…I think he was trying to be perfect and aiming the ball instead of relying on his stuff. Left a lot of pitches up which was very uncharacteristic. If he gets back to his 1st/2nd year form, he will be a steal for us.

BTW, the Thompsons’ have some pretty good baseball genes - his LB will be a 1st year for us this season.

GO BRAVES AND GO HOOS.

By Robert S

August 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Sheets with 68 pitches thru three plus innings. Wow.

Way to work the count, guys……

By NCBravesFan

August 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

LOL @ Joe Simpson. Sarcasm aside, I’m glad Omar is on the team - he should be a good backup for the Braves (& Chipper) if they elect to keep him next year.

By Tomas

August 3, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Good to see Bobby trying to steal third, but Jason Kendall is throwing everybody out. And the timing wasn’t right for it but good sign. Maybe Kendall pulled a Corky play and throw it to left field.

By Goodoleboy58

August 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

I keep waiting on Campillo to come back to Earth.. He cant really be this good right?

By Joe Simpson

August 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

…and this kid is a gamer.

Aye.

But he as gamey as Omar Infante?

Infante, my mancrush, is not only a gamer, but he is gritty and grindy and a player.

By Tomas

August 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

What a play by Prince. I hope Campillo didn’t get tired.

By Jeff321

August 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

With any run support, Campillo’s 7-2 this year instead of 5-4.

By TommyP

August 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Carroll: Good stuff and always enjoy thoughts from Mr. Wren.

I mentioned a few days ago the kids we might want to bring up and get a closer look.

We need to get Brandon Jones up here immediately. Let’s see what the kid can do on an everyday basis for two months.

Blanco looks very professional at the plate.

And what a play by Prince. Wow…..the guy has Refrigerator Perry-like athleticism.

By Kyle H

August 3, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Hopefully we’ll have a rare exciting offseason this year. I think the braves will make a run at CC but they would still settle for lacky or sheets especially if the price were considerably lower. I dont know where the left fielder will come from. There isn;t much in FA. The braves really needed Jason Bay and i still wish that deal would have gone through. Hes also younger than i thought(29) and he is a really clutch hitter. He had 3 walk offs for the pirates this year and already led the redsox to a extra innings win. Not to mention that 2 of those three walkoff with the pirates occured in the same series…against the division rival cubs. now thats clutch.

Any ideas on outfielders that the braves could aquire in the offseason other than Adam Dunn?

By Carroll Rogers

August 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Robert S. it’s mile marker 408 on the parkway. bout a 30 minute ride from asheville.

By Supes

August 3, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Carroll

I fully expect to see Brandon Jones up here if the Braves find a way to trade Kotsay before the end of August.

I think Brandon Jones and Josh Anderson should be given a lot of playing time anywhere in the OF to see what they can do in a months stretch of AB and games.

Speaking of AB’s and games, I know Casey Kotchman hasn’t had a lot of hits since coming over, but he’s putting the ball in play everytime up there. Don’t want to jinx the man, but he hasn’t fanned once since donning the Braves jersey.

Hopefully when Chipper and Mac are both in the lineup…it’s going to look like this…1 Blanco 2 Kotchman 3 Jones 4 MAC 5. Kotsay 6 Yunel 7. Johnson 8. FRANICNE 9. Pitcher

You put what appears to be the team’s best contact hitter 2nd in the order before Hoss and ahead of the speedster Blanco.

As far as Hanson and Julio Teheran, glad to see both doing well. Braves are going to need both of those guys to be in the rotation at some point in their careers.

Can pretty much say that Matty Diaz in 08 is a wash. If he doesn’t come back until September or not at all, it’ll be alright. I anticipate he’ll be traded before next season, if the Braves find an everyday LF player with pop, not sure if Matt Diaz will want to just be a pinch hitter and a 4th or 5th Outfielder.

Another game of Campillo being Campillo…keeping the Braves in the game, competitive. Frank Wren needs to figure out a way to sign this man to a 2 year deal when the season is over.

Can’t wait to have Mac back in the lineup tomorrow…a legit cleanup hitter. I think I’ve had enough of the experiement that is Norton, or Infante or Kotsay (no disrespect to any of these men) but BMac is a legit number 4 type hitter. He’ll be a big help to the lineup.

Plus we finally get to see the Giants out west, I’m very interested in seeing their young guys pitch. How about Barry Zito last night…shutout the Pads at Petco (not that hard to do, but considering how much he stunk earlier in the year…progress for that team) Braves get to miss Barry Zito this time around.

Do we already have the pitching matchups? I’d like to see Tim L. and Matt C. both guys I wish the Braves would have pursuied 2 years ago when they just came up, not sure if the Giants were willing to trade, you never know. Either one of those guys would look good in a Braves jersey.

By Tomas

August 3, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Campillo is our ace or what. Is it him or Jair.

By True Braves Fan

August 3, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Goodoleboy58…Have not done the research on JF you have, but I am sure that there have been a minimum of 11 games this season when JF came to bat with men on base that a single, rather than a K or DP would have produced run(s) that would have turned a loss into a win. That would then have us in first place rather than fourth.

With his attitude when he was sent to AA, I believe that Frank Wren would have traded him….but found no market…

I hope that we can keep Ohman and re-sign him for 2009. Ohman, Gonzalez, Moylan, Stockman, Nunez, Bennett, Boyer, and possibly Smoltz and Soriano would be an awsome group to select the 2009 bulpen from.

Everyday lineup with Chipper, Yunel, Casey, Heap, Greg White as starters and Infante and Prado on bench would be good.

Have to shore up corner outfielders, 2b, and Starting pithcing however to contend.

By Ernst Grafenberg

August 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Gratifying post @ 2:56

By Doc Holliday

August 3, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

flange1

Poor muts, I´m sure Pedro an his big arrogance can close out games the rest of the year.

By Carroll Rogers

August 3, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

supes, good stat on kotchman….and yes pitching matchups for giants series: Jurrjens vs. Matt Cain on Monday Hampton vs. LH Johnathan Sanchez on Tuesday James vs. Lincecum on Wednesday

By the way, Campillo’s ERA is now 2.58. If he had the innings to quality that would be better than Peavy, at 2.59.

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Great job Carroll!

And just to let Y’all know; no, I was not the “rampaging nekkid man” arrested today.

I do my nekkid rampaging in the privacy of my own home, unless, of course, a beer joint beauty-queen wants to rampage somewhere else…

By Robert

August 3, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

“And one last injury tidbit: Bobby Cox said Manny Acosta isn’t close. “

Manny Acosta just got picked up and inserted into the starting rotation in about 50,000 Fantasy Baseball Leagues based on that Cox quote

By BravesFanInRockies

August 3, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

JC from UT,

From last blog. You asked me for pitching suggestions the Braves might try to acquire other than Lohse.

A couple come to mind:

Justin Ducscherer of the A’s. He’s having an awesome season to be sure, but he has a 3.10 career ERA. He’ll be 30 in November.

Edwin Jackson of the Rays. Not a FA but not quite 25 and he was the Dodgers top prospect 4-5 years ago. Great arm, hasn’t put it together yet in the majors.

Daniel Cabrera of the O’s … ?

And as Lew(?) has been saying — they’ve gotta lock up Campillo. (Another awesome game today.) I was a doubter until the past few starts but now I’m a believer.

How does that work exactly? He’s a rookie but was signed as a minor league free agent. Is he under Braves’ control for a few seasons or does he hit the open market at the end of the year?

Anyone?

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Hey Doc, where’s WIPER?

Folks keep inventing ways to fall outa Shea; Hell, at least there’s hope!

By Doc Holliday

August 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Important headline on Campillo

He leaves todays game with a 2.56 ERA and 108 IP for the season.

He leads the NL and is 2nd in the MAJORS with that ERA. And he is only 3 innings shy to qualify for the year as Braves will have 111 games played for the year.

So maybe we have ourselves some solid pitcher for next year………And i mean SOLID!!!!!!!

Mean while in other “sad” news, muts are about to be swept. Are they amazing enough to fall into 4th place??? LOL. Maybe not.

By Robert

August 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Did Cox (gulp) just bring in his best reliever to face Fielder and thwart a threat?

My god - 17 years, but I can finally say that I actually SAW the man make a correct in-game decision

Go, Bobby, Go

(and dont come back)

By Tex Watch

August 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Tex hits grand slam with two outs in the eighth to give Angels a 9-8 lead over the Yankees.

NOW he comes up clutch.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 3, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Supes,

The Mighty Casey has not struck out yet but he’s not taking any pitches either. He’s up there hacking.

We may have no idea how well he’s going to play until the spring, once he has a full off-season to get over Scoscia’s “swing if it’s in between the on-deck circles” philosophy.

By lexbrave

August 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Tex just his a 2-out grand slam to give the halos a 9-8 lead over the yanks.

at least he’s helping somebody.

By Tomas

August 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

The Angels were losing to the Yankees 8-5, and guess who just hit a grand slam to go 9-8, Texeira.

By HuffBraves

August 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Oh lord. Fenchy’s up with men in scoring position. Hide the women and children!

By Philliesuk

August 3, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Teixeira just hit a grand slam in Yankee Stadium to put the Angels up 9-8.

How frustrating is that? Only a few games into his Angels tenure, and he already has a bigger hit that he ever had in Atlanta. How typical.

Thanks for the memories, Tex. Oh yeah, and of course we all believe you when you say you expected to play your entire career in Atlanta. Yeah, right. If that was the case, management never would have traded you. How stupid do you think we are?

By Robert

August 3, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Cox makes a correct in-game decision, and now Frenchy gets a hit with a RISP?

In the same game?

Are you KIDDING me?

Hold on - I’ll be back in a few minutes. There’s a flock of pigs flying by outside and I wanna get some video

By jtb

August 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

BravesFaninRockies

According to RotoWorld, Campillo in 08, 09, and 10 will be getting near the league minimum and in 2011-2013 he will be arbitration eligible.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 3, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Got home just in time to see the blind squirrel find a nut….

Carroll…I’m totally jealous. I was supposed to take my 12 year old daughter camping in Bryson City this week-end but she chickened out…

Western NC is absolutely beautiful. To hear Ashville Braves fan comment on just coming in from hiking really makes me jealous……Glad to have you back

By The Goche

August 3, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Kyle H

Hopefully we’ll have a rare exciting offseason this year.

I hope our offseason is about as boring as usual.

Boring like trading three guys who have amounted to nothing for Tim Hudson, then signing him to a long contract.

Or trading Rentaria for a top prospect and the pitcher who will become our best the next season.

Or trading an ok to solid relief prospect for a the guy who will be your best bench guy and your most reliable reliever for the following year.

Or trading a prospect with rapidly falling stock for Edgar Rentaria (and cash).

Obviously we do need to be more active this offseason than in the past, and it will probably require some free agent signings, so I understand obviously what you mean (and I’m not trying to say that you are wrong).

But I have to say that some of our offseasons have been extremely exciting to me.

What’s more exciting than trading nothing for something really good (Hudson trade, Marte-Renteria trade) or even something that seems good for things that are much better (Hello Jair and Gorkys).

By Doc Holliday

August 3, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Shamus

Im not sure if he is still alive, kind of worried here. One thing is for sure, his tongue is already dead.

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

If the Muts suck much worse, brains behind the Enhanced Fujita Scale will be forced to create a new designation, F-6.

By BravesFanInRockies

August 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

jtb,

Thanks. That’s really good news.

By lexbrave

August 3, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

and the angels let the yanks take the lead right back in the bottom of the 8th.. im thinking Tex has seen that before.

By Anti-Robert

August 3, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Hey Robert

Go, Bobby, Go (and don’t come back)

Will you promise go with him

By Kyle H

August 3, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

The Goche,

If FW can get another Hudson or Jurrjens then im fine with boring but hopfully we will be more active in FA.

In another note , I also was keeping record that Kotchman hadnt struck out yet(and also didnt today) I just didnt want to be the first to bring it up and be blamed for jinxing it.

The Mighty Casey has not struck out yet but he’s not taking any pitches either. He’s up there hacking.

We may have no idea how well he’s going to play until the spring, once he has a full off-season to get over Scoscia’s “swing if it’s in between the on-deck circles” philosophy.

While I agree hes hacking, hes hacking at the right pitches not ones that are over his head(no that im talking about anybody….). He has pretty good plate discipline for being as agressive as he is. and BTW Mike socias(sp) Angels do have the best record in baseball so maybe we should take some tips from them.

By jtb

August 3, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

It seems like every time Tex does do something clutch his team still always seems to lose. Like in one of his first games with the Braves last year when he hit the 3 run homer against the Astros and the Soriano gave up the grand slam and we lost in like 16 innings. It just never seems to work out with Tex.

By Goodoleboy58

August 3, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

True Braves Fan

Just to be clear I like/liked Frenchy and wish him the best I’m just amazed at how bad he’s been this season and how he keeps coming up in key spots lol

By Jeff321

August 3, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Before Tex hit the grand slam, he was 0/4 with 5 LOB. And the Angels lost 14-9. So I guess we can say Tex’s 4 run jack was meaningless, eh!

Also, I noticed right before Frenchy got that clutch single to center.. he swung at a ball over his head. Which tells me he is one confused individual. Or, he can’t even see the ball and just times the pitcher and hopes it hits the bat.

By Jeff321

August 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

I think Casey Kotchman will turn out to be a good addition. I mean, he had something like 107 hits in the American league this year. Perhaps getting shipped from the Angels to the Braves along with changing leagues has been a real shocker!

By Robert S

August 3, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Kyle H has a good point about Kotchman. He may not be as patient as some, but he always puts the ball in play, and if you do that regularly, you’re gonna get some hits. He’s got sort of a Mark Grace vibe to him - line drive power, but he’s not going to light up the scoreboard with homers. That’s fine if he gets hits when they matter.

jtb, I’m guessing that Tex is thinking right now, “Dang, do I gotta go out and pitch, too?” after all the times he’s given his team a lead, only to cough it right back up - this is twice in a week, no?

By JEB

August 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

Katy Temple just announced that Soriano is going back on the DL. Calling up another minor leaguer - did not catch his name.

I wish they would really find out what is up with Soriano and his elbow. This has been going on ALL season - FAR too long!!

By Robert S

August 3, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

Jeff321, Tex is a good hitter and run producer, but at the same time I’ve been rather dubious as to his ability in the clutch. Today’s grand slam was a rare example of a clutch hit (sadly, his pitchers rendered his hit moot). It just seems he piles onto his stats in blowouts or in games where the team already has a lead. Seems that way, anyhow…

Why does Frenchy think he can hit that fastball in his eyes (or above his head)? He has a slider-speed bat. Maybe when he figures that out he’ll lay off those pitches….

By JC FROM UT

August 3, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Does anyone think maybe JF’s eye sight has been effected ever since he was hit in the face this spring. It seems he was hitting the ball good in ST before the beaning and has struggled since. I’m sure the Braves medical staff has checked it out, but it could be a theory.

By Carroll Rogers

August 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Soriano back to the DL, Bueno coming up from Richmond. Just filed this burst.

By CARROLL ROGERS crogers@ajc.com The Braves announced after Sunday’s game they have disabled Rafael Soriano with elbow inflammation. They’ve recalled left-hander Francisley Bueno from AAA Richmond, where he was 2-5 with a 5.02 ERA in 12 games, including 12 starts. Soriano complained of discomfort after his outing on Saturday night in which he pitched one inning and gave up his first home run of the season - a two-run shot by Prince Fielder. Soriano had been active for only two weeks since coming off the disabled list for the latest time on July 21. He first started feeling discomfort in his elbow in spring training and has missed all but about four weeks of action this season. Repeated examinations and MRIs have revealed no structural damage. Soriano will stay behind while the team travels to San Francisco for further evaluation.

By Supes

August 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Carroll, it’ll be exciting to see all the Giants young pitchers.

I really enjoy watching Lincecum pitch, I really wish the Braves had tried to make a move 2 years ago for him when he was first called up, or tried to trade for him that off-season.

That’s about the time Andruw Jones still had some trade value and the Giants were shopping for an outfielder.

Anyways, I doubt the Giants will be willing to part ways with Tim or Matt Cain, both probably untouchable right now.

I know it’s a long shot…but with Jake Peavy being from the neighboring state of Alabama, I’ve always wondered if the Braves could sign him/trade with the Pads. My hopes were all gone last year when he resigned with the Pads, but now I’m thinking are the Pads thinking he’s untouchable, or depends on what they might get for him? I think the Pads are a long ways away from contending (at least as far as position players), maybe they are willing to trade an ace like Peavy if the price is right?

For me,Jake Peavey would be a perfect fit for the Braves (yes I know, a long shot dream type scenario, just trying to see what anyone else thinks about this).

Would the Braves be willing to part with 2 grade A level prospects, and a Jeff Francouer. (if that is what it takes)

I just don’t know what the asking price for a Jake Peavy would be at this point. I know he didn’t make the all star team this season, but he’s an all star type pitcher, cy young winner.

As far as FA pitchers, I’m still sold on Ben Sheets. Yes I know the health concerns, but b/c of that I think you’d be able to get him cheaper than you would a C.C. who would cost more.

Casey Kotchman “hacking” at pitches? I haven’t seen him trying to hit anything that is making him look foolish. He’s about as discipline as a hitter, knows the strike zone. Definitely a contact hitter. I like that a lot. I think this Braves team needs more of that, more guys who put the ball in play. You make the other team execute at least, when you are K’ing you aren’t doing any of that.

I think he’ll get better pitches to hit if he had Chipper and BMac in the lineup behind him to give him protection.

I’ve been saying it since May…Braves need to sign Jorge Campillo for the next 2 years while they can.

By Goodoleboy58

August 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

As far as I can recall even in Kotchman’s outs he’s always moved the runner to the next base.. Of course we’d rather have the RBI but that’s a good sign that even though he isn’t in his rhythm yet he’s still being productive

By rupert

August 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

carroll,

you the braves are getting to the point of just shutting soriano down for the final couple of months?

seems like he isn’t getting any better and some extended time off into the off-season might help.

By TommyP

August 3, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

Bueno? But he’s not on the 40 man roster, DOB. And he’s not a big time prospect.

Hmmmmm……guess the “ridiculous” assertions of yours truly appear to be Mr. Wren’s idea as well.

By Goodoleboy58

August 3, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

with Kotchie’s ability to move the runners up that’ll lead to more RBI chances for Chipper and B-Mac

By Tomas

August 3, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Another injury for Soriano. The guy has great stuff but just can’t stay healthy. Carroll I don’t know if I’m right, but I think he had Tommy John Surgery when he was in Seatle, is that true? And can it be possible to have tommy John twice?

By Soriaphobia

August 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

So, Soriano has another soriarmo?

By TommyP

August 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Lew: Are you a member of ugasports.com on the rivals network? A GREAT way to keep up with UGA and every little detail pertaining to the Dawgs.

I also love to keep up with recruiting so this site can’t be matched.

By cooper

August 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Regarding Tex:

He wanted to stay for a price - which can be said for almost every ball player of his age/skill/upside in the ML.

If the Braves put a team around him and the other impact Braves players (there are precious few on the roster today and the April 1st roster was a classic decoy) then maybe this year and his resigning would have gone down differently.

He wants to win and get paid. The Braves offered him neither opportunity.

The Braves nation wet their pants when Tex came over and within a year made him the poster boy and target for all the years frustrations.

The FO didn’t build a good team this year.

The injuries are a by product of going into a season with two 40 something starters, a closer who started the year on the DL (more or less), signing a guy coming off back surgery (also in his mid 30s) and a no name pen of rookies and journeymen.

And to cap it all off having Hampton in the rotation.

Apart from Moylan & Hudson going down not one injury of note (key players going down for weeks or months) is really that shocking.

Smoltz injured his shoulder in June of 07 and it was barking big time in September. Had he not skipped regularly ST starts Smoltz would have been on the DL by April 7th.

So if you are Tex and you look at the team we wheeled out in April and what moves we did not make in July until the bitter end why would you be jazzed to accept a below market offer in April or July?

Boras is nuts re: the 10yr deal and Tex will get some much needed reduction in his hubris this winter but it takes two to tango.

The Braves needed to build a winner and offer him a 7yr deal.

Instead they hoped questionable depth and old bodies would hold up + Tex would be jazzed with a 5 yr/$95mm offer when he turned down a 7yr/$140mm offer from the Rangers in June 07.

The Braves FO needs a reality check as much as Tex.

This all now moot with Hudson gone for 09 so Wren needs to get an Ace and likely a #2 plus rebuild his OF with some real power.

It is unfortunate that team could not also include Tex b/c with him you could feasible own the NL East and a WS ring would be a realistic goal.

Kotch is a nice kid but he will prove to be a major down grade from Tex.

By Jeff321

August 3, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

It just seems he piles onto his stats in blowouts or in games where the team already has a lead. Seems that way, anyhow…

I completely agree and am very happy that Tex is gone.

Btw, I am so sick and tired of Soriano and his complaining. How about lets just admit signing this loser to a new deal was a bad idea and cut our losses. IMO, having him hog up a spot on the roster only to start whimpering about “pain” that no one can document is BS! Sheesh

Can’t wait to see this new pitcher from AAA. Never heard of him before.

By JC FROM UT

August 3, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

Carroll: Have you heard of any other teams that may be interested in Kotsay?

By bravesfan54

August 3, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Question: Why hasn’t Infante earned a starting position. Lunatic fringe, I know you’re out there! (Just kidding?)

By Coach (Does Frenchy have Cox's dirty pictures now?)

August 3, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

Bye Bye Corky, see ya Royce Ring. Two roster changes that never should have been on the team in the first place.

The remaining question is, since Jeff Francoeur is tearing it up with his .231 BA for the season, .237 in his last ten games and .220 in the month of July, when do we get to see Josh Anderson in RF?

Anderson is hitting .297 for the season and .378 in his last ten games. The speedster has swiped an incredible 28 out 32 bases so far this year. He is slugging .363 with an OPS of .704 compared to Frenchy’s .360 SLG/ .650 OPS. Did I mention that Anderson’s defense might actually be equal to that of Francoeur?

The credibility of Bobby Cox is in question, no, it’s actually shot to hell. No manager in his right mind would allow this kind of performance to perpetuate itself for a full season.

O yea, Jorge Campillo is solid. The man can pitch. He throws nothing but junk and that JUNK keeps getting people out.

The good news is, we only have 51 more games of this nonsense and the 2008 season can be done with. Maybe this team can stink it up so bad that the Braves will end up with a top five pick in the 2009 draft.

By Pete H.

August 3, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

Why is everyone still talking about Tex? He wasn’t going to sign with Atlanta by any stretch of the imagination. There are several teams that would have outbid us for him, then traded their first baseman for something good. The Dodgers and Angels come to mind, along with the Dbacks. All three have way more money than we do.

I still can’t believe Randy Wolf shut out the Mutts.

It was great watching Campillo pitch today. Clutch strikeouts when he needed them, routine grounders and popups all day long. I think we can pencil him and Jair into the rotation next year. Now we just need three more starters. Morton looks like he might be ready by next year, after that last start against a pretty good lineup. Hanson has an outside chance, but we obviously have to go after a free agent, and the selection this year is very deep. We may have to overpay, but I doubt it will be 10 years at $25 million like a certain ex-Brave is hoping for.

Kotchman is going to be fine at first, but we obviously need a LF who can hit the long ball. I’d cough up some good prospects for Carlos Lee, despite his salary, if Houston would consider trading him.

In any case, we have some money and flexibility this year. It’s going to be a fun off-season.

By Lew

August 3, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

Doc-I had no intention of showing class or being a gentleman (you post here regularly and think I’M a gentleman? Talk about delusion). I was trying to point out that I thought (and still do) that your personal attacks on players showed damn little class in and of themselves and that you are more than capable of better evaluation than that..

Like I told TommyP, criticize perfomances all you want. I myself am in total realization that Francoeur’s season has basically been a waste. For crying out loud, I’m not blind-at least in one eye-and I’m not thrilled with the numbers he’s put up (or honestly, the lack thereof), but an attack on his heart, his desire, his will to succeed and who he may be as a person are uncalled for-from you and anyone else. You don’t personally know the guy (I don’t either), yet you claim to know his innnermost feelings? THAT is what I was upset about-that and your insistence on having it both ways, playing with pain or not asking for time off for injuries. Dude, you just can’t criticize him for both and be a logical creature. It’s frustration talking-certainly not reason.

Sorry if you feel I came down too hard on you, but that WAS my intention-I felt you showed no humanity towards the Braves players, why should I show any to you? I don’t want to make enemies, either, but maybe sometimes you need to stop and judge your own words. Got your attention, didn’t I?

But as far as I’m concerned, it’s all good between us. I had no intention of starting a feud-just wanted you to consider your words and statements, maybe next time giving a guy a break It’s real easy for us to forget sometimes that just because these Dudes are Nationally known and make bundles of bucks that they’re still just humans (most of them young, with the mistakes THAT implies) that have all the foibles and flaws that we do ourselves. Just like us, some react one way in a situation and some act in others-not always like we think they should. Do You and Me both a favor and try to keep that in mind when you post about these guys.

By Lew

August 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

TommyP-No, I’m not a member, but will have to check it out. Thanks for the info.

By Section 412

August 3, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

FRANK WREN SPEAKS:

Went to the Season Ticket Holder reception at the Ted today before the game. A few interesting tidbits from Frank Wren, who spoke, then did a short Q&A.

He acknowledged that OF production has been one of the 2 major issues this year (injuries being the other). He said that a “top notch” OF bat and a “top notch” starting pitcher are our 2 biggest priorities for the off season.

He referenced Jason Heyward (Rome OF) and Freddie Freeman (Rome 1B) as the 2 top prospects in the organization. He said they could “accelerate the normal curve” in terms of time to reach the big leagues.

He later discussed pitching, saying that Tommy Hanson is the top prospect on the farm. He said his #2 might be Kris Medlin, a converted SS, who is also a starter. He said Kotsay absolutely raved about Medlin when he came back from MS. He (of course) loves JJJ and Campillo. He said that Moylan was a much bigger loss than most realize, that losing him really messed up the planned bullpen rotation. He reiterated that they will be seeking a front-line starter in the off season.

He said they will not overpay in years or dollars to keep Ohman. He likes Ohman, but says that relievers tend to be cyclical in performance. He wants to re-sign him, but did not sound optimistic. He was really focused on the 2nd round pick they will get if he leaves. He said the only reason they did not trade him was that the offers did not match up with a 2nd round pick.

He said we offered Tex a 7 year deal in Spring Training. When it was rejected, they knew he would be moving on. Did not share the dollar value, but said it was a 7 year deal. He shared that while Kotchman is not Tex, he is good and we will like him. Said Tex has driven in 16% of his baserunners this year and that Kotchman has driven in 18% of his, for what it’s worth.

He said we were “in” on the Jason Bay derby until 18 minutes before the deadline. We spoke to the Pirates at 3:42 and the Manny deal was not yet on the table. We would have pulled the trigger on Bay if we had the chance, barring the Manny deal.

He said “the team we broke camp with is far better than whoever will win the NL East.” He also said the Marlins could win this and he would not be surprised.

Finally, he projected a lineup for next year. Here’s what he said:

1. Blanco

2. Yunel

3. Chipper

4. and 5. McCann and the new OF bat (in some order)

5. Kotchman

6. KJ

He stopped there, then a minute later added, “and we hope Francouer can work his way into the 7 or 8 spot.”

Sorry for the long post - Hope this is interesting to you guys.

By bfan54

August 3, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

I know it is unfair, but in my view Soriano is not ‘a gamer’ - whatever that means. In a departure from my essential way of looking at things, I am going out on a limb - and, admittedly, perhaps being unfair - but this RP is a malingerer, plain and simple. I know we owe him money, and his numbers, which he sandwiches between his “no mas” outings, are good - but the man has a well-documented tendency to complain of hurts that are not medically diagnosed. We should be shed of him. I will be a Cicero on this issue - “Carthago (i.e.Soriano) delenda est!”.

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

One poster evaluating another’s class, and doing so publicy, is CLASSLESS, LEW… Talk bout the pot calling the kettle black….

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

Besides holding a Masters Degree in Computer Science, I’m classless myself, and don’t quite give a damn…

By True Bravo

August 3, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

That 6:22 smells like something. Hmmm… is there a pasture nearby? Wren sure had some loose lips today, eh 412? Best part was the Francoeur bit (and the lineup period). Your and idiot.

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

Soriano is another Hammy! Time to jettison him NOW! Henceforth, I shall refer to him as Soriammy…

By kirknga

August 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Wow…Soriano back on the DL!

Well, add another late-inning guy as a need for next season. It seems apparent that Soriano will be having surgery and be out most, if not all, of next year.

With insurance, that should add a few $$ to what the Braves will have to spend in the offseason.

I think it just became imperative to resign Ohman. I don’t want to here this hedging stuff by Wren. There aren’t going to be any cheap, or valued-priced frontline starters, outfielders, or relievers.

If the Braves want frontline players at any position then they are going to have to pay them frontline rates and that means “overpaying”.

By Section 412

August 3, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Whatever, dude. I was there (along with about 80 or so others). Everything in my summary, he said. Sorry if you are too jaded by the blog to believe. Makes no difference to me.

By BravesFan79

August 3, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

WHY did we not trade Soriano before the deadline?? Hes the ONE reliever the Braves should of tried to basically GIVE AWAY! just to get rid of his contract.

By Joe Fan

August 3, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

Carrol,

Since Paronto got DFA’ED think Braves may give him another try?

By Carroll Rogers

August 3, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

i’m not sure how the Braves will play the Soriano thing, but if it were me, i wouldn’t mess with it anymore this season. but i didn’t have a chance to talk to bobby after we were told about Soriano. I’m sure DOB will check with him on the subject tomorrow.

TommyP, Bueno is the guy. I was told by Braves pr man Brad Hainje. Sometimes you just need an arm, not necessarily a prospect. A corresponding 40-man move will be coming, just don’t know what yet.

By BravesFan79

August 3, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

What sense does it make to gamble away one of the top bullpen arms in Ohman for a guy who MIGHT make a difference in 5 years?? Arent we trying to win NOW!?? WTF!
So we can give GUARNTEED CRAP like Woodward and Redmen 1 million each, but Ohman isnt worth 3-4mill??

Wow this is truly sad news for all Braves fans who want to see the Braves reach the WS in Smoltz’s last year.

WREN…. WTF ARE YOU THINKING…. SIGN OHMAN TO A EXTENSION NOW!!!

By Carolina Matt

August 3, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Thanks for that Section 412…great post! I really hope we see Franceour back in the line-up, I say he deserves another shot!

By Jeff321

August 3, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Section 412 — thanks that was an interesting read.

By DanR

August 3, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Section 412, thanks for the info, good stuff. Sounds like FW is committed to the idea of the draft pick, instead of signing Ohman. Too bad. His comment about breaking spring training with a better team than the eventual NL East winner comes off as sour grapes. I hope it sounded better in person. Also, hope they don’t intend to rush Heyward and Freeman. Don’t really see the point - just wait until they’re ready.

By Carolina Matt

August 3, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

We should put Soriano under…give him a few cuts and bandages, send him off with some sugar pills and tell him is all better…What a wack job! You aren’t hurt already, quit trying to convince yourself of it!

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

LEW, I’d just like to know who made you judge and jury of this blog? A blog is similar to civilization as a whole; without diversity it’d be a mighty boring place. If everyone here followed your rules, this place would be empty in no time. Ease up dude, stop behaving like a jerk! Your opinion is no more valid than mine, Doc’s, or any other poster sans DOB.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 3, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

Did anyone see the Royals/White Sox highlights?

Bench-clearing brawl in the 5th inning started by the White Sox. GREINKE was pitching and in the next inning guess what??

You got it. RETALIATION

Greinke’s been mentioned as a possible trade partner with the Braves…

I SAY GO GET HIM NOW

That’s exactly the type of fire we need on this ball team, not the bunch of pussies (YES I”M TALKING ABOUT YOU COX) that is scared to protect our own…..

Of course I’m going to get blasted by some of y’all for saying that but those who disagree with me can kiss my a55…

I’ve said for 3 years now, the Braves play with no heart, no soul, play with no emotion. The Braves need players that are not scared to protect their own……Regardless of what our out of touch manager thinks

By Section 412

August 3, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Dan R - didn’t really sound like sour grapes, but I didn’t really like that comment either. I think he was trying to say the foundation is there, but the injuries ate us up. I don’t necessarily agree, but that was his perspective.

Also, on Ohman, I don’t want to undersell how much he likes him. He raved about him - but then he said relievers are cyclical in performance. Then he reminded us that we will get a good draft pick if he leaves, so read between the lines.

By bfan54

August 3, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

The Braves should never, ever give any player a seven year deal. No anaylsis of long term contracts supports this. There are a few - and I mean a handful of seven+ contracts that have ‘paid off’, but the number of disasterous contracts is legendary. (viz. Andruw Jone 2-year 36 million contract. Lunatic fringe, give me an honest assessment of multi-year, double digit contracts…I mean it!…and no smiley face, to soften my designation of you guys.

By DanR

August 3, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Just guessing….but I’ll bet the 7 yr deal FW offered to Tex was only guaranteed for 5, with the final two years vesting options. Otherwise, it does seem un-Braves like to give anybody a 7-yr deal.

By TexasBrave

August 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry but Wren is full of crap if he doesn’t sign Ohman to a reasonable contract. A second round pick is not going to help us next year but Ohman will. The bullpen has had a lot of question marks lately, but the only one that hasn’t has been Ohman the man is rock solid and the Braves would be fools not to try and lock him up.

Soriano, Acosta, Moylan, Smoltz (if he decides to return), Bennett, Boyer all have either been injured and or have performed poorly at some point this season. If all are back next season at full strength it will be one he11 of a bullpen. But you can’t count on it.

Don’t play around, sign Ohman. Lets see just how much he wants to play in Atlanta and offer him a competetive contract before the season is over.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

Hey Fellow bloggers….

I want to apologize if anyone got offended by the “P” word that made it into my 7:15 post…

I’m not apologizing for the post, just the word that made it…

I thought it would’ve been **out, I typed it for emphasis…

Once again, if anyone is offended, I’m sorry…..I feel that there are certain words that should not be in a blog….

By Willy Wally

August 3, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

WHY did we not trade Soriano before the deadline?? Hes the ONE reliever the Braves should of tried to basically GIVE AWAY! just to get rid of his contract.

Do you seriously think anyone would have taken on the remaining $7 million that he is owed? He’s either badly injured or not really injured. Either way why would a team want to take on a $7 million dollar obligation for someone who is either really injured or faking an injury?

Soriano had a bit of a bad rep for being surly or whatever before he got here. I would therefore imagine that many teams don’t quite know what the hell is going through his head or what is really wrong with his body. I don’t think the Braves know either.

Maybe he is faking it and maybe he’s not. I don’t think so because the man openly craved being a starter or a closer and … gettting paid as either a starter or a closer. He finally had his chance. I just don’t see why he would throw away the opportunity he always wanted and believed he deserved. Especially since If he had done well as a closer, at the end of next season, he was possibly looking at a $10 to $13 million dollar a year on a 3 or 4 year contract. There’s has got to be something wrong. No one can dog it this bad. But I dunno. Sometimes I think it’s all in his cabeza.

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

The opinions of DOB and CARROLL are the ONLY ones that truly matter here! Let THEM moderate LEW, and don’t be pompous and arrogant to other posters! None of our opinions matter, sans those of DOB and Carroll. That’s what the last line of my previous post [syntax error] was intended to convey. I respect Doc’s opinion MUCH more than yours LEW. We don’t all look at things the same way, now do we!?

By NCBravesFan

August 3, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

Prattville Apologies accepted.One should never use the P word … Phillies … on this blog. ;)

By Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera

August 3, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

prattvillenolzfan, retaliation was inevitable after the second straight pitch at Olivo’s head. That TRULY was bush league — Olivo couldn’t have been expecting another brushback, which made it doubly dangerous and inexcusable. I have to believe even Cox would have ordered his pitcher to retaliate in that situation.

Where in Prattville are you from? I grew up in Prattville — lived there from 1964 until 1990. I reside in Montgomery now, just a stone’s throw from Hank’s grave. But I still come back to town for Prattville Lions games and the occasional Jim’s Restaurant cheeseburger!

By the way, Shaun, I’d be interested in the Arizona Diamondbackks’ take on who’s the better player between Manny and Jason Bay. Of course, you know more baseball than they ever will.

By David-ATL14

August 3, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

No corresponding roster move on the 40 Man will have to be made to accomadate Bueno’s contract being purchased.

Roster stood at 39 before Bueno was added.

By Braves20

August 3, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

All in all a positive weekend to carry us to the other coast.

The major exceptions being, of course, Soriano’s latest miseries and the fact I missed one of our best played games of the season being trapped in Tropicana Field to honor a family commitment.

If you ever want to know baseball hell - visit the Trop. The dome is God awful and the fans act like they are at a Little League game with their damned cowbells and a collective baseball knowledge to match.

But the bright side - was able to find a TV on the concourse that had our game on and able to snatch glimpses of a great pitching performance.

By David-ATL14

August 3, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Also have the option of placing Hudson on the 60 Day DL e to free up an addittional spot at any time.

My guesses would be that Chuckie departs upon Chipper’s return on Friday. Gets us back to 13 position players.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 3, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

Cabrera’s Head

Work relocated me from North Florida to Montgomery about 4 years ago(hence Nolz part of my moniker…) However,with 2 kids in middle & high school, Prattville’s school system is much better that Montgomery county’s

I love Jim’s myself, one of the drawbacks to retail growth is the proliferation of chain resteraunts, while that’s good in a way, local mom & pop restaraunts seems to suffer. Hopefully Jim’s can survive, not alot of the under 30’s seems to favor the chain resteraunts. (although, I do love Bass Pro, & Publix will be here in late fall). I’d rather eat @ Jim’s & Fatboys over any chain resteraunt….

I love the Lion’s as well, I’ve got a daughter in the Band, am going to Cincy with them for the Herbstriet Classic later this month…Lived here 4 years and have only seen them lose 1 game….It will be interesting to see how they do this year with the national schedule they are playing this year..(they have 3 games on either ESPNU or Foxsports this year…)

By True Bravo

August 3, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Only 80 season ticket holders showed up to hear the GM speak? And he spoke candidly about Francoeur’s performance and the supposed Jason Bay deal that most experts say was never on the table? And, most preposterously, about the lineup for NEXT year? Anyone who buys this crap is and idiot as well.

By fastasballs

August 3, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the info 412.

I wonder exactly what the “normal curve” would be for guys like Freeman & Heyward? Both have absolutely torn it up at Rome this season. Heyward is 3-5 in tonight’s game. AA next season & maybe a late season call up next year?

Did Wren have anything to say about Schaefer? He was close, if not, the top prospect last season, but that’s changed I’m sure.

I think if Freeman keeps progressing the Braves would opt to trade Kotchman in a year or two. Same with KJ if Travis Jones makes some progress after this season. He’s an offensive 2B with good speed, ok glove.

I’m thinking Frenchy won’t here that much longer. It’s just a guess, but between him not taking the contract he was offered & his comments after being demoted he hasn’t done himself any favors. Not only that, but his production this season won’t cut it. I hope he bounces back next season, but if he doesn’t he’s probably on his way out.

The Braves are going to sign/trade for a power bat in the outfield. I assume Blanco will get a shot at CF next season. Having him out there is not that bad if the two corners are producing.

Once that bat is added & Heyward is ready I can see Frenchy being traded, if not before that.

Wren is a lot different than JS in that he doesn’t play everything close to the vest.

By Lew

August 3, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

Shanum-Just saying what’s on my mind. If you aren’t happy with it, that’s your right. I’ll post what I see fit. If you don’t agree, say so or don’t read it. You can be quite classless yourself at times, so don’t you go getting all high and mighty, either.

By AJ 25

August 3, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

Are any of you seriously thinking Smoltz and Greedy Glav will do anything more then eat up valuable bucks that could go to better use? I hope this doesn’t become another Favre situation. It’s time to move on. Smoltz if you never throw another pitch for the Braves you will always be among the greats. Greedy Glav, you are what you are.

By Willy Wally

August 3, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

Oh, man, Andruw is now Manny’s late inning defensive replacement. How freaking embarrassing. Andruw has got to pull it together. It would be awesome if the Braves could have 6 people in the Hall off those teams: Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, Chipper, Andruw and Cox. I think Ernie, Skip, Pete, Homeboy Upstairs, and Ted all deserve to be in the Hall of Fame as well for what they built and maintained. Ted, Cox, Schuerholz built it for us. Ernie, Skip and Pete spread the word and sold it to us. 10 of those people definitely deserve the HOF. It would be really great if Andruw could get his head out of his rather large behind and make it 11. Hopefully, we won’t get stuck with just Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz and Chipper in the Hall.

By Lew

August 3, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

That was Shamus, not Shanum. Sentiment remains the same, though.

By Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera

August 3, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

WARNING: Anyone who is not prattvillenolzfan should scroll on past this post.

Nolz, the Lions were something like 3-27 the years I went to high school there. We’ve seen a huge change in quality of play at Stanley-Jensen Stadium since those days! Hope Jamey DuBose can keep the championship run going. I’ll be in the stands to see if he can.

Was your daughter in the band last year? I recall at Thanksgiving the Pride of Prattville had to play in a Philadelphia parade and get back to town the next night for the playoff game with Foley. I’ll bet your daughter went straight home to bed after that one!

Jim’s probably makes enough money at Sunday dinner to keep them afloat the rest of the week. I expect they’ll be around as long as they want to be.

Speaking of good eatin’ in the area, you should try the Catfish House in Millbrook if you haven’t already.

You wouldn’t recognize the town I grew up in as Prattville — it was quiter than Mayberry compared with the city today.

Good luck at the Herbstreit Classic!

By cooper

August 3, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

The 412 post was 100% fabricated.

DOB and the rest of the media would get this low down before a bunch of season ticket holders.

Nice try but not buying it.

By Section 412

August 3, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

True Bravo - cool if you don’t believe me. Don’t care. I’m skeptical about a lot of stuff I read on here as well. Wren was actually not on the invitation we got. It just said free food, meet your ticket reps, etc. I just went for the free food (pizza, hot dogs, fruit, cokes, potato chips). They also gave away free tomahawks and Braves caps. That goofy “Mr. Met” looking baseball head guy was there, too. Wren being there was a surprise to me.

Tell you what - DOB or CR - If you care, ask Wren when you see him if he spoke to a group of season ticket holders on Sunday. It was in the patio area just outside Section 129 at 11:30am. He spoke around noon. Let us know what he says. Call me a liar and ban me if I’m full of it. And I assure you he most certainly did say we were in on Bay until 3:42 pm (his words, not mine) and at that time they did not have the “Manny deal” on the table.

Fastaballs - he actually did not address Schaefer at all. Don’t think it was intentional, he just never came up. But he did not talk about him when addressing our top prospects. The only 4 he mentioned by name are the 4 I mentioned, Heyward, Freeman, Hanson, and Medlin.

He also most definitely did tell us that next year was looking good with Blanco at lead off, followed by Escobar, Chipper, Mc and the OF bat at 4 and 5, Kotchman at 6, and KJ at 7. He then threw in the Francouer comment as almost an afterthought, as if he didn’t want to omit him.

By SoWeGa Fanatic

August 3, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Andruw came into the league at 170 lbs and is now listed at 240 lbs. I wonder if that extra 70 lbs(+?) might be affecting his performance.

By Section 412

August 3, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

Other topics he briefly adressed included the relo of Richmond to Gwinnett, the fact that he learned from Montreal that “sometimes you just have to play your kids,” the fact that he really loves how McCann is putting his “A” swing on good pitches this year and improving as a hitter (instead of his “B” swing just to make contact), and the fact that he doesn’t read the comics. He was asked what his favorite comic strip is, and he said he doesn’t read the comics. Said his mother said “he was 30 when he was 12.” Said he spent his time milking cows when he was s kid, not reading the comics.

That’s all I remember. I’m out. Those who want to kow what he said, there it is. Those who don’t, have a great night!

By True Bravo

August 3, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Section 412

Bullzhit!!!

By prattvillenolzfan

August 3, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

Cabrera’s Head

We will disagree about Catfish House…Growing up on the Gulf coast, you get a little spoiled about the quality of seafood….Been to the Catfish house twice, didn’t like it. Good people who own it, great service, but I’m not quite sold on the quality of the food…

I’ve got several friends who said the same thing about the team when they were growing up. Said RE Lee used to beat them by 50-60 points every year…They play 4 games in Montgomery this year…..

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

Lew from what I hear you’re a fatas loser who has a hard time getting out of bed. How about you paint a picture of yourself kissing my as? I’ll pay top dollar I’ll assure you! If you need a photo to work with I’ll be glad to meet you.

By todd/season ticket holder

August 3, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Section 412 is being 100% truthful with his retelling of Wren’s comments.

Was ther myself and 412 is spot on with his rememberances.

By Section 412

August 3, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

Robert - you may be 100% right. Don’t know about the pre-meeting, only what he told us suckers at lunch.

By Shaun

August 3, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

By the way, Shaun, I’d be interested in the Arizona Diamondbackks’ take on who’s the better player between Manny and Jason Bay. Of course, you know more baseball than they ever will.

Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera, huh? Where did this come from? You mean you seriously think they would make a judgment after three days?

Plus I can point to plenty of people a lot smarter than I am who have the same opinion that I do. Not to mention I can tell you what the actual evidence shows.

By Hotsour

August 3, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

“O’Brien is a corporate mouthpiece who knows far more about music than he does about baseball” — RobertEtc.

Heh. Riiiight. Can’t wait to hear DOB’s take on that. :-)

By McFann Ô

August 3, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Well, that was a GREAT win on getaway day! Now it’s ON TO MONDAY!!

Though when Francoeur’s bat bonked Kendall on the head, it kinda made me nervous about Monday…then the next Braves’ batter fouled one off his mask, and I’m like, “OK, guys, you’re not helping…”

By Tomas

August 3, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Up next • Tuesday: Braves (Mike Hampton, 0-0, 10.00) at Giants (Jonathan Sanchez, 8-7, 4.61), 10:15 p.m. ET • Wednesday: Braves (Chuck James, 2-4, 9.47) at Giants (Tim Lincecum, 11-3, 2.71), 3:45 p.m. ET • Thursday: Braves (Charlie Morton, 2-5, 6.56) at Diamondbacks (TBD), 9:40 p.m. ET

Those ERA’s don’t look good, but they don’t tell the full story for those pitchers. Hampton had not pitched in 3 years, and has been wild at times, but I have a feeling he’ll have a good start against the worst hitting team in the national league. Chuck James is a homerun threat against anyone, so that ERA is the real chuck JAmes. And Morton has been wild but he just had his best start of the season and that’s all he needed to have confidence that he can pitch in this level. Hampton, and Morton ERA’s will go down, and James will stay the same.

By RIP Skip

August 3, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

Fox 5 is reporting that Skip Caray died this evening…

By tiger7_88

August 3, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

Holy crap! Skip Caray has passed away!

Skip Caray, “Voice of The Braves”, has died

Can this season get any worse?

By TexasBrave

August 3, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

David-ATL14 while I agree that Chuck should not be allowed to pitch in the majors until he develops a third pitch, I unfortunately do not think that the Braves will drop him. Who will fill his starting slot? The Braves will most likely send down a reliever if they want to get back to 12 pitchers.

Still James needs to go. Let Buddy or Bennett have a shot at starting. I personally would like to see Bennett used as a starter to add to the competition for next years rotation. Not that he would be one of our ideal starters but could provide some depth.

By Steve from OH

August 3, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

RIP Skip

By TexasBrave

August 3, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

A sad day indeed for all in the Braves family. I grew up listening to him on TBS. He will be missed!

Good Bye Skip

By Shamus Thacker

August 3, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

That’s cool LEW, and Doc was just saying what’s on HIS mind. Everybody has a right to say what they want as long as it’s not vulgar. If bloggers want to vent frustration on these pampered, overpaid, prima donnas, then it’s their birthright [freedom of speech] to do so. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to read it. It’s THEIR personal take on things, not yours. To each his own…

Doc is one of my favorites here. We don’t all see eye-to-eye on what is pertinent and what is not. We’re not supposed to. That’s my one and only point.

By Najeh Davenpoop

August 3, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this

I’ve been listening to Skip Caray calling Braves games since I was 4 years old. This sucks. Rest in peace big man.

By kris

August 3, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

God Bless Skip and his family. I’m only 35 but he was a big part of my life listening to the Braves. Can’t believe i’ve heard his last game. What a sad day!

By McFann O

August 3, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Thoughts and prayers go out to the Caray family.

By John Adcox

August 3, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

That is a terrible, terrible shock about Skip. The airwaves are lesser. Blessings to his family.

I only met the man once, but I have to admit, the loss is a kick in the gut. He will be missed. Very, very much.

John

By Tomas

August 3, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe Skip Caray died. This is very sad news. Baseball really did lose a legend.

By gotigers72

August 3, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Just heard about Skip Caray dying. Makes me incredibly sad! I grew up listening to the Braves with Skip announcing the games on radio. This was before Ted put them on TV every night. I am especially fond of his “BRAVES WIN! BRAVES WIN! BRAVES WIN!” call when Sid Bream scored the winning run in ‘92.

I’m really gonna miss that golden voice. But now he rejoins his father and gets to watch Pete Maravich play again. Pete was his favorite athlete, I think. He loved Pete from when he broadcasted Hawks games and Pete played for the Hawks. I truly don’t know if that is what Heaven is like, but it’s nice to think it’s that way.

Rest in Peace my man. Rest in Peace.

By BosnianBaller

August 3, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

R.I.P. Skip Carey a true legend

By BravesFanInRockies

August 3, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Very sad about Skip. He provided a lot of joy to Braves fans during some very lean years. Calling the games during the streak of division titles must have been very satisfying.

He truly had good days and bad days this season. I’m awfully glad I had that XM subscription so I could hear him on the home games.

It’s sad in a lot of ways, but particularly so because he didn’t have a chance to do something like a farewell tour at the end of the season (not that he would have expected any such thing).

RIP.

By Tomas

August 3, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

I will always remember Skip’s Caray’s jokes, he was hoop. I remember earlier this year broadcasting a game with Joe Simpson in peachtree TV, telling, “the bases are loaded, and Dusty Baker hopes he was”. This is just devastating.

By geauxbraves2000

August 3, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

:(

By Andy

August 3, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

I’m so sad to hear of this news. I remember just seeing him on TV a few days ago and thinking how great it was to see him announcing a game again, since he hasnt announced many games this year. My thoughts and prayers go out to the entire Caray family.

By brent a.

August 3, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

May God comfort the Caray family.

Sad day in a sad year for Atlanta Braves baseball.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 3, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

Not many people know this, but Skip called Florida State football games one year. That was in 1973, the year the Noles went 0-11.

I once had the honor & privilege of hearing Lewis Grizzard speak one night. During his speech, he talked about how after one of Lewis’s marriages, he & Skip were room-mates. He told several hilarious stories involving Skip/Lewis/Women/and alcohol…

Skip’s dry and acerbic wit was legendary during the Braves woeful years in the 70’s and 80’s. Often times, he/Ernie or he/Pete were the only reasons to listen to the Braves games…We all remember many quotes from Skip throughout the years.

To Josh & Chip, our thoughts & prayers certainly go out to you and your families…

By fastasballs

August 3, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

That’s really sad about Skip. For most of us there really wouldn’t have been Braves baseball without him. For the better part of a decade he was the best part of Braves baseball. As a kid I learned a ton about baseball by listening to him do the games.

He had some great one liners over the years. Prayers to his family.

By Herschel Talker

August 3, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

I met Skip once. Rest his soul, but he was one of the biggest jerks I ever met. Terribly rude.

By StingerSplash

August 3, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

I remember Braves broadcasts before Skip, but they pale in comparison to his days behind the mike. From the “It’s cocktail hour, folks” to “If you promise to patronize our sponsors, you may go walk your dog” during a blowout to “here’s the throw to the plate … he is … SAFE! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win! … Braves win!” he’s been as much a part of watching and listening to the Braves as Murphy, Smoltz and Chipper. God rest his soul.

By Steve from OH

August 3, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

Wow. I’m shocked to hear about Skip. I grew up listening to him on TBS and I’m sure gonna miss him. His call in the 92 NLCS when Sid Bream scored the winning run was one of the greatest ever.

My thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

By Robin

August 3, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

:(

A sad day indeed. I also grew up with Skip. Thoughts to the Caray family.

RIP Skip.

By J.D.

August 3, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this

RIP Skip…I’ve watched him since I started watching the Braves when I was 7 years old. He is the voice of the Atlanta Braves, and I will never forget his voice. I met him last year in Atlanta, and he was stand up guy. Rest in Peace Skip.

By Clint

August 3, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

I just heard about Skip on the ESPN game tonight. That’s just heartbreaking. Fittingly, I suppose, the last I saw of Skip was when Chip and Joe were giving him a hard time about stealing pizza from the TV booth this past weekend. I think I watched about 30 of Skip’s 33 years and I will miss him dearly. Rest in peace.

By will36206

August 3, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Very sad news about Skip. We have lost a great one. His humor and insight made it enjoyable to tune in a game on TV or radio even during the dark years of Braves baseball. Thanks for everything Skip. Bless you and your family.

By Doc Holliday

August 3, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks Shamus. I have no hard feeling toward Lew. Im just surprised that he exploded like that…….And he still does……….24 hours or more of discussion. Maybe he is having a hard time. Who knows.

Hey Lew Im no trying to be unhuman toward Braves players. I just thinks more times than not, they dont try as hard as they should and act like crying babies. I said it yesterday……I was not referring to Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton, Chipper, etc. But I wont take Yunels injury to his shoulder as an excuse to his underproduction, he was not slugging or anything like that before the injury. James??? I told you, If he is injured? Then put him in the 60 day DL. But I doubt he is injured, If he was……..how come he was doing good at AAA??? Lots of injuries that are not that are used as excuses. JF is having a bad year at the plate. Plain and simple. Has nothing to do with an ankle……..he is just swinging at everything…….its time to accept it and not say that he has vision issues. And if thats the case………then solve it. I think bennett went down with an injury, but to me, Bennett is a warrior. There are some players that give more there are some that act the little girls and thats the truth (at least in my mind, whether you like it or not pal). I can recall Sid Bream and Gallaraga having lots of health problems, but they kept the producing. Its like AJ, when he started to say he was playing in pain, and that could have been affecting his offense………know we know that was a big lie. Right??? thats all Im saying.

By john

August 3, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

Herschel Talker, if you want to talk trash about Skip do it somewhere else. Have some respect for the man.

By geauxbraves2000

August 3, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

My internet connection failed, so if is this is a double post, I apologize.

“Grissom on the run, Yes! Yes! The Atlanta Braves have brought the first championship to Atlanta!”

Skip and Don were hilarious together, why they broke them two apart in the latter years I’ll never know.

Skip told it like it was. I liked that about him.

RIP Skip.

By Bruce's Pearl

August 3, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

In 1994,my mother was suffering from terminal cancer (she passed in January of 1995).Braves baseball had become something we could share evenings enjoying together,as I cared for her til she died.I had become acquainted with then PR man with the Braves Glen Serra.Her favorite player was Mark Lemke.She liked the way he “always got his uniform dirty”.In many ways she fought the cancer as he played….tough,gritty,and courageous.In the sunmmer of ‘94 I spoke to Serra about my mom and he sent her an autographed photo of Mark.The night we received the photo,the Braves were playing in Cincinnati.As we were watching,unexpected to us,Skip said hello to MY MOM!You should have seen her eyes light up.In the next couple of days many of her friends called and acknowledged hearing the broadcast.I only regret I could not have told Mr.Carey what that act of kindness meant to my mom and me.My deepest sympathies are extended to his family.

By Savannah Guy

August 3, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

God bless Skip Caray and his family. He will be greatly missed. Braves Nation has lost a legend and THE Voice of the Braves.

By cabravesfan

August 3, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

I grew up listening to the legendary Vin Scully and the Dodgers but I have been a Braves fan for the past 17 years and Skip’s voice had become as familiar and comforting as Mr. Scully’s was when I was a kid. I’m glad I got the pleasure of listening to him, if only for a little while. He will be missed.

By Jimmy H.

August 3, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

ESPN mentioned Skip’s passing a few minutes ago and it made me think back to when I was a youngster listening to him and Ernie Johnson with the radio under my pillow. After moving to Texas I realized how much I missed listening to Skip and was rather happy when I could get the games on cable on TBS and listen to Skip again. In my mind he’s one of the best broadcasters I’ve ever heard. Rest in Peace Skip.

By David O'Brien

August 3, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

Just got back to my hotel and found out about Skip.

We lost a great one today. A giant in broadcasting, yes, but more importantly a damn good man. He’d do anything for you, he really would. Damn. This is just awful news.

I can’t believe he’s gone. Just talked to him for a while a the ballpark a few days ago. Sure wish I’d talked to him a lot longer.

He was hilarious, and that cantankerous streak you hear on the radio ended when he talked to friends. He was always engaging, and he genuinely cared what was going on with you in your life.

And he never, ever felt sorry for himself or wanted any sympathy from people as his health faltered in recent years.

God, I’m gonna miss that old man. One of the great people I’ve ever had the privilege of getting to know in this business.

My heart goes out to Chip and the entire Caray family. And to Pete and Joe, because I know they’re devastated. They loved him. We all did.

Rest in peace, Skip. God bless.

.

By Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera

August 3, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

My favorite Skip call:

During a Braves-Pirates game in Pittsburgh in the 1970s, the umpires called time to allow security guys to chase a runaway balloon that was blowing around on the field. The balloon blew this way and that, giving every appearance of actually trying to elude its pursuers. After about 30 seconds, the balloon blew right on up to Pirates center fielder Omar Moreno, who promptly stepped on it and popped it with his spikes.

Skip’s call: “Well, it trusted him and paid the price.”

By Random

August 3, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

Coach: “Bye Bye Corky, see ya Royce Ring. Two roster changes that never should have been on the team in the first place.”

Agreed on Corky.

But, hey, let’s not forget that Ring had a pretty solid May & June — 20 appearances, 11.2 IP, 2 ER (1.54 ERA), 10 H, 0 BB, 6 K. His cum ERA thru Jun was 3.375.

Imo, what did Ring in was the overall depletion of the bullpen, which forced him out of his intended role as LOOGY.

As might be expected, his splits against RH batters are horrendous — 8.2 IP, 18 H, 14 ER (14.54 ERA), 5 BB, 3 K.

But go ahead on, you Ring bashers, and Miller bashers and Tex bashers — do your little gallows dances. Kick ‘em when they’re up, kick ‘em when they’re down.

By Chop Chop

August 3, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this

Skip Caray was a hell of a guy. He had his flaws, but he didn’t try to hide them. He was human. He, supported by Pete and Ernie, will provide the play-by-play in my mind for the Atlanta Braves for the rest of my life.

We all miss Skip.

My deepest sympathy goes to all members of the Caray family. May the crazy memories of Skip bring you comfort and laughter to help you through this trying time.

By Austin

August 3, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

Skip you will be missed.

By Murphy

August 3, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this

RIP Skip. I grew up with him calling the games like most of you…there is not another one out there like him! We were blessed to have him all these years.

By Bruce's Pearl

August 3, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

please excuse my mispelling of Caray.

By kris

August 3, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

DOB:

Well stated. I’ve listened to Skip my whole life. I really did not think I would be affected by his life but I find myself tearing up.

By Lew

August 3, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

Shamus-So I guess when all is said and done, that Doc was judgmental with the players, I was judgmental with him and you were judgmental with me. Look at what we’ve proved. I suppose we should all be proud of ourselves. Isn’t it great that we can all speak our minds? As for me having a hard time? No, just something that bothered me and I said so. What I said bothered you and you said so.That’s all. The timing is only a matter of when I checked in and saw your responses.

Enough of that.

The world is a lesser place without Skip Caray in it for all of us. Braves’ broadcasts will never be the same without him. We all spent countless hours listening to his accounts and descriptions-always given with an incredible sense of humor and irony. Thanks to DOB for giving the blog a chance to show Skip what he meant to us earlier this season.

By Iron Labrum

August 3, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

It’s fitting that Skip passes on Family Day, because that’s what he was, family. My granddad introduced me to Pete and Skip on the radio when I was a kid, when the only reason that you listened to the Braves sometimes was them. Pete and Skip should both be in the Hall of Fame and I’m sad that Skip won’t be there in his lifetime. It really feels like an era is ending with our team this year in so many ways.

God Bless Skip and his family.

By Hotspur

August 3, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

Skip Caray was the voice of my childhood and my greatest sports love. Watching/listening to a Braves game will never be the same again.

Say hey to Harry, Skip. Very sorry for your loss, Chip and the rest of the Carey family.

By Interested Observer

August 3, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Hearing about Skip is like a swift kick in the gut. I’ve not known Braves baseball without Skip. He’s as mcuh the face of the Braves as any player or mananger. In fact, who knows how many people would have stopped watching the Braves in the late-70’s and early 80’s if it hadn’t been for Skip. All I know is that he made some pretty awful teams entertaining.

I know he’s been ill and I’m comforted to know his suffering is over..but he will be missed!

By J.D.

August 3, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Well written DOB, a great way to summarize a great man

By Murphy

August 3, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

Since I started watching Braves as a young kid (well since birth probably) I have always wondered how Skip knew where the fan was from that caught each of the fly balls! I even commented on it to my dad during a game this year…those calls were my favorite each game…a little wink to the TV/Radio audience.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

August 3, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

I have a great sadness in my heart tonight. I feel as if an old friend has passed. Watching the Braves broadcast on TBS was a shared ritual between my dad and I and many nights we sat together enjoying the games a listening to Skip’s commentary. To me and many other longtime Braves fans, he was as much a symbol of Atlanta Braves baseball as Hank Arron or Dale Murphy or Chipper Jones.

My deepest and most sincere sympathies go out to the Caray clan.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 3, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

I’m listening to Mark Arum on WSB-am…He’s doing a tribute to Skip.

to everyone outside the WSB listening area. wsbradio.com….

By RallyCap

August 3, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this

Just heard the news on TV and felt compelled to post… When the season was over, I always felt a little sad that my “buddies” Skip and Pete would be going away for the winter… I guess this is a final “so long”… But at least Skip was some free baseball to watch now that he has gone to the extra-innings in the sky…

By Robert S

August 3, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

No offense meant to the great Braves broadcasters like Ernie Johnson or Pete Van Weiren, but if there was ever any one person who I would want to be on the call in a crucial game, be it a regular season game or Game 7, I would would’ve wanted it to be Skip.

He had no pretense, no filler, no annoying catch phrases. He called it as he saw it, and he stayed true to himself all the way to the end.

And he belongs in the Hall of Fame like his father. It’s a shame he won’t be around to see his induction, for us to hear his caustic wit and his many anecdotes in his acceptance speech.

He left us too soon. Way too soon. They always say the good die young.

Say hi to Harry for us, Skip……….

By Cleanuphitter16

August 3, 2008 11:22 PM | Link to this

Go win one for Skip tomorrow, boys. The season isn’t over yet. Ending up at second place would not feel so bad after this news and this season. Go play your hearts out…we’re all behind you! We all need something to cheer about this summer.

By Interested Observer

August 3, 2008 11:23 PM | Link to this

I just read Tim Tucker’s article on Skip. Very well done, Mr. Tucker!

By mitchell

August 3, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this

i wrote a comment about skip somewhere else so forgive me if i just respond to corky miller leaving the team…

Could somebody explain why we got rid of Brayan Pena? that was the dumbest thing ever. Brayan is better than Corky and Clint combined. I know that’s not saying much but those two combined is not much either. Dumb.

Campillo is my hero for the record. Four quality (plus) starts in the homestand and you’d think we’d win at least one of those. Well one is all we get I guess.

Nothing against John Sciambi, but Skip, Pete, Joe, Chip and Don Sutton were where it was at. I didn’t even really like Chip all that much at first but I like him now. All those guys have (had) great individual qualities but John is more of the generic booming voice school of broadcasting. I’d rather hear Skip and Pete every night. I guess the powers that be felt they should get some bland guy to work with Joe. I don’t hate “Boog” but I’m not feelin’ him if you know what I mean.

All I know is if everytime somebody hit a homerun I had to hear, “You can put it on the board… YES!” or “It’s an A-Bomb from A-Rod, see ya” I would throw my face in front of a Ben Sheets fastball. On second thought, that probably wouldn’t hurt that much.

Take that Sheets!

By Random

August 3, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Section 412: “He [Wren] stopped there, then a minute later added, “and we hope Francouer can work his way into the 7 or 8 spot.””

Wow.

Just wow.

AJ 25: “Are any of you seriously thinking Smoltz and Greedy Glav will do anything more then eat up valuable bucks that could go to better use?”

Yep, if they can come back healthy and effective. Pitchers don’t grow on trees — do you even read any of the comments here?

Skip — you were one of the best — I especially liked you on the Hawks broadcasts.

By iowabrave

August 3, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Up here in Iowa, Skip was the Braves for more years than I can remember. I grew up on him & Pete. Not that wins & lossses matter right now, but this has got to be the worst season ever for a Braves fan. This is awful. “The bases are loaded and I wish I was, too” Skip was the man.

By TURTSNAP

August 3, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Skip’s passing goes to show the old saying, “Don’t know what you’ve got till its gone” is so true. Braves baseball just won’t be the same without him. Skip was a legend, an icon of the Braves. So much to remember about the man, I remember in the 80’s when he would tell the watchers/listeners that it was time to walk the dog, when the game was out of hand.

By JEB

August 3, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

I loved listening to Skip & Pete, but listening to Skip & Don Sutton and Skip with Joe Simpson was ALWAYS a lot of fun.

It was always a completely different broadcast from Skip & Pete.

Could never understand why they broke up the team of Skip & Don they could make a bad game a really great time!

A real shock - a terribly sad day - capping off a very unbelievably tough season for the Braves.

By justafan

August 3, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

Skip the man that Made the Braves Americas Team. The Greatest!! He just saw his daddy and HOLY COW was he happy. RIP my friend.

By Robert S

August 3, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

I have to echo Mark Arum’s comments on WSB (thanks to prattvillenolzfan for alerting us to Arum’s show):

We’re thankful that Skip got to call a World Series win.

We’re thankful that Skip got to be on the mike for 33 years, and 15 division championships. Very few broadcasters have that record.

We’re thankful for the gift Skip gave us by just being himself and being a huge part of the Braves family.

And as Mr. Arum said, signing off, let’s raise a glass to Skip……

By jtb

August 3, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

This is the saddest sports day for me of my life. To me, he symbolized all that was great about baseball. He was honest. When I was mad at the Braves, he was mad too and it was comforting knowing that someone else took it just as hard as I do. He was the voice of the Braves. He will be missed by all of us. My thoughts and prayers are with the Carey family.

Rest in Peace Skip

By RIP SKIP

August 3, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

Favorite Skip story…

At the end of the games, the announcers will always announce what channel the next few games will be on…

Well, at the end on a game in the mid-80’s, Skip said that the next game would be on Braves radio only, the game would NOT be on TV…

Well, a few days later, Skip read a letter he had received from an old lady in the mid-west…..

She said she had looked in all of the electronics stores, and no-one seems to be able to locate her a BRAVES RADIO, could Skip please help her locate one in the ATL area since obviously they did not have them in the mid-west…..

By ObiWanKobe

August 3, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this

Skip was my favorite Brave. RIP

By David-ATL14

August 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

R.I.P. Skip you will be dearly missed.

By JEB

August 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

I loved listening to Skip & Pete, but listening to Skip & Don Sutton and Skip with Joe Simpson was ALWAYS a lot of fun.

It was always a completely different broadcast from Skip & Pete.

Could never understand why they broke up the team of Skip & Don they could make a bad game a really great time!

A real shock - a terribly sad day - capping off a very unbelievably tough season for the Braves.

By rupert

August 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

i’ve grown up with skip calling the games, he was always my favortie of the big four guys they used to have, he seemed to tell it like it was more often than not, his dry wit was lost on me at a young age, but as a got older he got funnier, gonna miss the guy and games won’t be the same without him, we lost a hell of a brodcaster, but more importantly, a hell of a man tonight.

By Iron Labrum

August 3, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this

I can’t imagine Pete calling that game tomorrow, though I wouldn’t be surprised if he did; The Professor acknowledging his friend and longtime cohort is something I don’t plan to miss. I also wonder if the funeral will be next Monday, the off day. I hate it for the guys that they’re on the road. I always loved to hear Pete and Skip’s stories about their downtime on the road.. restaurants, movies, people.

I’m sure they’ll put initials or something on the jerseys in honor of Skip. I hope they carry them through all of next season; he deserves more than two months.

DOB…I look forward to hearing how the guys will remember our friend.

By GeorgetownKid

August 3, 2008 11:44 PM | Link to this

I have very fond memories of listening to Skip Carey while I was a kid watching my favorite team play ball.

A very special voice, and a great guy.

By Skip Carey was a Legend

August 3, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this

RIP Skip Carey, it was a long and great ride through 33 years of Braves Baseball with you

By sooner

August 3, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

We’ll miss you Skip. Your father was my introdcution to baseball when i was a kid in Oklahoma, and you voiced the greatest moments of my baseball “fandom” life after I moved to Atlanta and became a devoted Braves fan. Such a sad day. Your wit and wisdom (baseball and other) made an inpact on so many and will be greatly missed. My thouhgts and prayers are with the Caray and the Braves family.

“Braves win, Braves win….Braves win!”

By Greg O.

August 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

RIP Skip. You were one of a kind and can never be replaced.

It’s saddening that Skip’s gone and made worse because the powers that be, in charge at TV and radio stations today, don’t have the courage to put someone with a sarcastic, cantankerous personality like Skip in front of the microphone anymore.

By northbeach Scott

August 3, 2008 11:53 PM | Link to this

I was speaking to my father on the phone this evening and catching up on the Braves as he now lives in South Florida. He asked me how Skip was doing and I said he broadcast the game I went to on Wednesday and sounded good. We reminisced about how much we enjoyed his years with the Braves, especially when there was not much to cheer about.

Just checked the blog and saw that Skip had left us. I am humbled and saddened by his passing. Skip was like a family friend with that wonderful sour smart mouthed style about the Braves. I join Braves Nation in mourning his loss and my thoughts are with his family and the Braves family. Good night, Skip.

By Couch Tater

August 3, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this

When I went to work for a company in the 80’s,one of my V.P.’s grinned at me after a couple of days and said “Im going to like you.You’re as big of a smart a** as Skip Caray”.I won’t ever forget that.

Sympathy to the family.

To the rest of you, I offer a toast.

By brent a.

August 4, 2008 12:03 AM | Link to this

Section 412

Thanks for the post and the information. Really nothing shocking or ground-breaking in that, just true, from the gut, information from the GM.

Glad that you shared it.

On a slightly side note: Some of the biggest laughs I get are when people doubt the credibility of posts like yours. Most likely, those doubting you do not frequent this blog regularly, and may well have been jaded by reading bull-jive posts on ESPN boards, etc.

What you posted there is not really juicy rumors and innuendo, it’s simply a list of comments from the GM. Nothing crazy, nothing scandalous, just interesting information. Some people just lack discernibility, and that’s a sad commentary on many in our society.

I got to hear Frank Wren speak back in May. It was interesting, because his comments came across very similar to the way you described his comments today. Very positive about the team. Liked the structure. Defended Bobby’s use of the bullpen, etc. He even mentioned an interest in Greg Maddux, and also talked about how he didn’t want to even consider the thought of replacing Bobby Cox. (Bobby inked his extension just a few weeks later, fwiw). Also, his comment about Mike Hampton, at the time, sounded exactly like a guy who was trying to be optimistic, but was definitely frustrated at the inability to project when Hampton would ever be able to pitch again.

But anyway, thanks for sharing, and no reason to worry about twerps on the internet who think you are lying.

Once a person gets out of mom and dad’s house and off the internet, they soon discover that real events occur “out there” in the real world, and regular people, like us, get chances to meet other “regular people” from time to time, who just happen to have prominent positions.

It’s not as shocking or surprising as some may think.

By Tomas

August 4, 2008 12:03 AM | Link to this

It would be nice if the Braves make a tribut to skip, like they did in Chicago with Harry and the glasses.

By northbeach Scott

August 4, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this

LA Times’ Bill Shaikin, suggests that Andruw Jones should agree to be sent to the minors to see if he can get his knee and swing back and if will be of any value in 2009. Story at http://www.latimes.com/sports/columnists/la-sp-shaikin3-2008aug03,0,2695233.

He suggests that with Manny on board, that Andruw has no value to the team in August and that it would be an ideal time to get himself straightened out in time to be on the Dodgers playoff roster.

I would argue that we need to do exactly the same thing with Francouer for the balance of the season. We should have a look at Brandon Jones and Josh Anderson, along with Blanco, to see what is what going into the Fall.

There is no upside to having Frenchy on the 25 man roster until September call ups. We have a terrific opportunity to begin the auditions. Kotsay will likely be moved in the next couple of weeks in waiver deal, so give the kids a chance.

By Greg in TN

August 4, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Pardon me denizens, however it’s with tears in my eyes and with a heavy heart that I’m posting this tonight.

I echo the sentiments from everyone on the passing of a legend, Skip Carey.

The soundtrack of my life will include a heaping helping of the voice of Skip Carey, who along with Ernie Johnson Sr, Pete Van Wieren, John Sterling, Billy Sample, Don Sutton, Joe Simpson and Boog Sciambi have brought the ups and downs of Atlanta Braves baseball into my life from the tender age of seven until this, my 38th year.

I gravitated to his sarcasm, of which he was a master. He always seemed to make a ten-run blowout entertaining, and when the team improved in the 90s, Skip was at the mike for many of the exciting moments for the franchise.

He genuinely enjoyed his job, and his broadcast partners. There was a warmth that shined through his sometimes gruff exterior, but he put his heart into this sport and this team and even though he spent time broadcasting other sports, it was clear that baseball was his favorite and what he excelled in covering.

Lew, thank you for allowing me to send my thoughts along to Skip with the Wurlitzer. My heart and prayers go out to his wife, Paula, and his children.

Skip is with his father tonight, there is some comfort in knowing that. And I will always remember the man, who on a cool October night at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium, watched as Baerga’s fly disappeared into Marquis Grissom’s glove, and whose excited voice joined the masses in celebrating a world title.

That’s how I’ll chose to remember Skip Carey, shouting along with Joe Simpson in the radio booth of the old ballpark on a night when the capitol of the baseball world was the same as the capitol of Georgia.

Rest in peace, Skip. And thank you… for everything.

By N Nine

August 4, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

sid bream. ..”he is safe! Braves win, Braves win, Braves win..wow im shocked..skip was a great guy that loved the braves just like us. He fought and still did as much braves he could handle.RIP SKIP You gave it your best.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 4, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this

http://www.bayblitz.com/WEB%20GIFS%201/The%20Slide%20-%20NLCS%20-%201992%20-%20Atlanta%20Braves.mp3

This was probably his finest moment

By Member Of The Family

August 4, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this

Until the last couple of years, when Skip’s health began to fail, he was as much a member of my family during summer afternoons and evenings as…..well as any member of my family.

He was frequently there for Sunday afternoon dinner. He was often at my house for evening meals as well. There are members of my immediate family that I spent less time with than Skip from April through October every year. He was there when things were going well for me. He was there when things weren’t going so well. I know for a fact that one of the reasons I tuned in to watch or listen to the bad Braves teams of the 70’s and 80’s was because of Skip. Even when the Braves were getting pounded, Skip never failed to hold my attention.

I could not end this post without relating a story about my brush with Skip at Turner Field. I married a lady many years younger than I am. And if I say so myself, she’s a knockout! Once while attending a game at Turner Field, my wife and I were walking by that little box, not much bigger than a vocal booth, that different Braves announcers would do pre-game and call in shows from. Skip was manning the booth doing his thing. As luck would have it, there was no one near the booth and no one stopping to watch “the man in the box.” My wife and I stopped, perhaps 20 feet in front of the booth and just watched Skip. Skip looked up and saw my wife (did I mention my wife is a knockout?) and a huge smile came over his face as he continued the dialogue he was engaged in with a caller or whoever. He was smiling at her and she was smiling back. I suppose this went on for a full minute. Finally he winked at her. My wife started giggling. I was having a pretty good chuckle myself. I suppose he put 2 and 2 together (figured I was her husband rather than her dad) and he gave me a wink and a small thumbs up!

Those few minutes made me appreciate Skip Caray even more. It was as it should have been. He was in his professional environment, doing his job and we were in our environment as fans. We didn’t impose on him yet were able to interact in a small way. As I write this, my wife is sleeping. I’ll have to break the sad news to her in the morning. She’ll be devastated. I’m pretty devastated myself.

We’ve lost a great one. We’ve lost a member of our family.

Rest in peace, Skip

By BossLady

August 4, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this

I was just about to go to bed when I heard on the news that Skip Caray has died in his sleep. It is a good way to go if you have to “just” go. My dad died in his sleep and of all wonders Skip dies on my dad’s birthday.

Call me selfish or call me trying to make something all about me I don’t care really what you think. If you do not understand then “Your And idiot” It looks like all things that seemed to be a part of my life that is familiar is gone. When I look around and so so many things, people and lifetime memories are no longer here then it is very personal.

This is a sign of my years. Everything that has been familiar to me is gone forever, referring to Skip and my dad.

I was taught we’ll wait and see how Skip think this is going to end when the Hawks and Braves played games. My dad, Mr. Bob and Mr. Charlie respected his opinion and would wait until he gave that familiar game ending prediction or his experienced opinion before they would decide a game.

As a young lady, like McFann I loved the Braves team and looking back over those years many, many years ago it was history.

Skip Caray will go down in my Braves lifetime history as will the great players that played during his tenure.

To Chip and the Caray family you have my deepest and sincere sympathy and know, please know that large amount of people loved SKIP too. Thank you for allowing us to share his life and commentary.

Thanks, Pamela

By cw

August 4, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

I’ll miss you Skip!

By Daybed Wagmoe

August 4, 2008 12:46 AM | Link to this

I really enjoyed listening to Skip’s honest, open, refreshing broadcasting. He generally seemed to give his honest opinion about the team or a player. He’ll certainly be missed, and may he rest in peace.

To echo DOB’s comments, my heart goes out to Chip and all of the Caray family, Pete and Joe, and all of Bravesnation.

By N Nine

August 4, 2008 12:49 AM | Link to this

MAN, what a tough tough year to swollow as a braves fan. You know its not your year when you become sellers for 1st time in two decades.

not your year when you lose your ace

not your year when you lose braves legend smoltz

not your year when you lose 19 of 25 man roster (DL)

not your year when big slugger gone

not your year when skip caray leaves you

not your year when lose Jim Beauchamp

not your year when u break all time 1 run record (when reached 4-25 or so)

not your year when you havent won a single game on road by 1 run

not your year when bobby cox hasnt been as sharp

not your year when ur super prospect becomes a bum francine

not your year when current prospect gets 50game ban.

not your year everyone seems to deal with tommy john

not your year when u dump most money on reliever that cant pitch more than 3 time/per month before needing DL every other week.

not your year when a 20 something payro;; team slaps you silly

not your year when your SUPER GM leaves after a unbelievable run

not your year when a guy who never hits DL..ever… sees DL TWICE.

not your year when u step on the MUTS and still cant catch them.

ok ok enough already . its time for the braves do something BIG. so with NO FURTHER DELAYS here is our 2009 starting pitchers.

1. Justin Duchscherer 2.Jair Jurrens
2. Tim lincecum
3. Jorge Campillio
4. Well, options..leave it open..glavine or morton, some prospect..prob not smoltz.

By Member Of The Family

August 4, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

Boss Lady Pamela

Your post was appropriate as well as mine and anyone else who has posted about what Skip meant to them. When I heard the news, I felt like I needed to come here and share my thoughts…. just as so many others have.

It’s a historic event here on the blog. It’s the only time that you’re going to see 99% of the bloggers agree on anything and that is that the Braves nation has suffered a tremendous loss.

By BossLady

August 4, 2008 12:56 AM | Link to this

If this seems cruel, then the people that do not understand will have to live with it or YOUR AND IDIOT

For Skip to have dieD in his sleep is a tremendous blessing. I am glad that he did not have to be hospitilzed and put on machines with tubes running in his body. That was the blessing for which we thanked GOD when my dad dies.

Not one of these men would have wanted it like that, so please let him rest..

By diehard texas fan

August 4, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Caray family. I was lucky to be able to hear Skip call games on TBS here in Texas. When I think of commentating, I think Skip and Pete and it use to crack me up when a foul ball was hit and he would call the town the person was from, classic. Rest in Peace Skip

By Moby Grape

August 4, 2008 12:58 AM | Link to this

According to RotoWorld, Campillo in 08, 09, and 10 will be getting near the league minimum and in 2011-2013 he will be arbitration eligible.jtb

I wonder if that is really correct? He was signed by Seattle as a free agent in 05. Perhaps Carroll could find out the particulars of his status.

By BossLady

August 4, 2008 12:59 AM | Link to this

Hey, Ms. Rogers it seems like the BIG stories happen on your days. This is a big one, huh?

By Thunderdan2000

August 4, 2008 12:59 AM | Link to this

It amazes me all the memories of a man, his team and those he had with baited breath on Sid Bream’s slide and yet how it seems like only yesterday that it all happened. I grew up a Braves fan in southern NM when they were all you got on the cable, and even though they were terrible for all those years, the wit and humor kept me and my dad watching…and yet all these years later, with unreliability in broadcasts outside ATL, and a jinxed season, he was still the one we all searched for. This is one SAD day for all! Braves WIN! Braves WIN! Braves WIN! Even playing the clip a few minutes ago…as if only yesterday! I still get chills! Oh, how my heart hurts. RIP Skip.

By Andy K.

August 4, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this

As a kid, I grew up listening to Skip Caray broadcast game after game on TBS. Skip was and will forever be the voice of “America’s Team”. When I was a young, anxious Braves fan, Skip always brought my family room to life, calling games as if his job were as natural as gravity. And today, I feel like many of you feel. Empty. We’ve suffered a great loss today, as Skip will be calling them for the big guy upstairs now. Thanks Skip, you’ll never be forgotten. We miss you. Also, my condolences to Chip, Josh, and the entire Caray family, including friends like Pete, and Joe, who will never get the pleasure of calling a game with their beloved friend again.

Sincerely, Andy

By Moby Grape

August 4, 2008 1:03 AM | Link to this

He has pretty good plate discipline for being as agressive as he is. and BTW Mike socias(sp) Angels do have the best record in baseball so maybe we should take some tips from them.Kyle

It sure as he11 ain’t because of their offense so let’s not and say we did

By Mike S

August 4, 2008 1:15 AM | Link to this

Rest in peace, Skip. I can’t thank you enough for introducing me to this great game 25 years ago and making it so much fun to follow along the way.

Truly a sad, sad day in Braves Nation.

By BossLady

August 4, 2008 1:15 AM | Link to this

N Nine and Member of the Family, I need to say something.

First N Nine this is a very sad day for BravesNation, so, please go away.

Member of the family, I am so truly sad about Skip. My husband who has had two (2) heart attacks actually felt like Skip’s life was more valuable than his was way too much upset. I told him that it is time for “ALL GOOD MEN” to just face this time. My dad, husbanc and SKIP

By Wayne in Utah

August 4, 2008 1:15 AM | Link to this

I wasn’t going to log on tonight, until I heard the news. Nothing I can say about Skip Caray that hasn’t already been stated by my friends.

Skip, you will be missed. My thoughts and prayers go out to your family tonight.

By Cheyenne

August 4, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

Soriano is another Hammy! Time to jettison him NOW!Shamus

you gotta be one of the stupidest posters on this board about baseball. Have you ever even picked up a bat , nerd?

By BA

August 4, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this

God Bless you, Mr. Caray.

By fastasballs

August 4, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this

Skip shined in the down years of the 80’s. I loved how he described the attendance for a game with 5,000-6,000 people as a “partial sell out” or a “really late” arriving crowd.

I hate to call my old man & tell him about Skip’s death tomorrow morning because like many of you we spent countless hours & years listening to him call the games. His running commentary was better than most of the games we watched until that magical year 1991.

That year to me will always be the best year in Braves history & we got to enjoy it with one helluva a broadcaster. He enjoyed it as much as we did, if not more. You’ll be missed Skip, God Bless.

By Carroll Rogers

August 4, 2008 1:39 AM | Link to this

God bless Skip and his family. And what a strange and sad feeling to be saying goodbye so soon. Skip seemed like his usual jovial self when I talked to him on Thursday but apparently - from what Pete just told me a little while ago - Skip had asked for the weekend off because he didn’t feel up to doing games. Pete said that wasn’t unheard of in the past, for him to take two or three games away, but this time was his time.

I’ll be forever grateful to Skip for loyal friendship and for his support of me over the last year with my brother battling leukemia. He always asked about my brother and never complained about what he was going through. He would just make you laugh with a joke about not sleeping well or paying for old habits but he never complained.

Chip Caray called me back tonight as he got off the plane in Atlanta. He was supposed to fly from New York to San Francisco to do his usual radio broadcasts in place of Skip on the road. I thought I’d share with you what he said.

“I hope and pray he’s not hurting anymore,” Chip said. “I hope and pray he’s sitting on a barstool somewhere with his dad arguing about baseball, and his mom and his brother who he misses dearly. I hope he’s at peace. Because I know he wasn’t the last couple years. And he battled and fought and didn’t do a whole lot of complaining. He knew he wrote some checks that were getting cashed and he didn’t complain about it once.”

He also said working with his father these last four years has been wonderful, that Skip would ask him sometimes if he ever regretted leaving Chicago and Chip said not once.

“I got a chance to laugh with him and love with him, working with him for the last four years was like a dream. In so many ways he was my hero, not because he was a perfect dad but because he was an imperfect dad and he wasn’t afraid to say that. That made me love him even more.”

And best of all, Chip’s last words to his father were I love you.

“I got to talk to him yesterday and I told him I loved and he started laughing because I was stuck in New York,” Chip said. “It was our own private little joke. I at least got to tell him I loved him, which was the last thing I said to him, so I’m grateful for that.”

By The Twins

August 4, 2008 1:44 AM | Link to this

I respect Doc’s opinion MUCH more than yours LEW. Shamus

That’s because you and Doc are both baseball morons who know absolutely nothing about actual real-life professional baseball. I could add both of your baseball I.Q.s together and still come up with a negative number.all emotion, no logic, no knowledge

By GeorgetownKid

August 4, 2008 1:49 AM | Link to this

“Chipper, Cox, other Braves Mourn Caray”

Outstanding article Ms. Rogers. Very, very well done, and more than a little touching.

By N Nine

August 4, 2008 1:57 AM | Link to this

Cheyenne,bosslady,the twins,and shamus: why all this hate going on against each other?. This is a tough day for everyone. It has gotten to alot of us, and yes some are in shock. BUT we need to be together instead of all this bad talking that goes nowhere.

By rp

August 4, 2008 2:27 AM | Link to this

Thank you Skip. I will miss you and think of you every summer.

By jtb

August 4, 2008 2:28 AM | Link to this

I remember when I didn’t want to go to Braves games because I wanted to stay home and listen to Skip, Pete, Don, and Joe. As a kid, I always thought that it was so cool how they switched between radio and tv in the middle of the 4th. I thought all team’s announcers did that. I didn’t realize until I got older how lucky I was to be able to listen to such a great group of announcers. No one in my family were big baseball fans until the 91 Braves season. So essentially, that group of announcers taught me the game. I learned about the balk from them. The in field fly. I learned that the wave was bad, and to this day will never take part in the wave because I didn’t want Skip to make fun of me. The great thing about baseball, is that for half the year, it’s their every day but 2 or 3 days. No matter what’s going on in life, at 7:35 or 1:05 or now 7:10 or 1:35, I can turn on the tv and watch the Braves and for so long Skip was a major part of that experience.

By N8

August 4, 2008 2:41 AM | Link to this

R.I.P. Skip.

It’s been my pleasure listening to you, especially through the “rough” games.

Always gave me something to laugh about.

You’ll be missed.

By Bobby's Cox

August 4, 2008 2:45 AM | Link to this

RIP skip….thanks for all the memories and calling all the shots in the glory days.

Hope all is well in the Caray family….thanks for all the things you do for the sport of baseball.

By Enuffzenuff

August 4, 2008 2:46 AM | Link to this

A chopper to Chipper was always my favorite. Since I was 5 I’ve been a Braves fan, I’m twenty five now and it feels like a member of the family died. Not just the players but TBS, Skip, Pete, Joe, Don, they were all a part of that love I had and have for the Braves. Sorry if that didnt make much sense. Im just in shock. RIP Skip and thanks for the memories.

By nolie

August 4, 2008 3:49 AM | Link to this

Like everybody else I feel terrible about Skip’s passing. My condolences to his family and to the rest of the Braves nation. He will be sorely missed by all of us. RIP Skip.

By bayou brave

August 4, 2008 4:24 AM | Link to this

For thirty some odd years I thought I was the only one that kept a Braves Radio hidden under my pillow …….. until today

By Shamus Thacker

August 4, 2008 6:15 AM | Link to this

The August 3, 2008 9:12 PM post WAS NOT ME, but somebody impersonating.

I’m classless as I said, but not to THAT degree.

By prattvillenolzfan

August 4, 2008 6:48 AM | Link to this

If you read this blog, Bradley’s blog, and the guestbook, you will notice the respect everyone had for Skip, but you will also notice that many of the posters are from all parts of the country.

Not that it matters anymore, or the powers that be at TBS cares, but it’s sad that other than the Cubs, there is no national presence of any one team anymore (EXCEPT for maybe the Yankees/Red Sox).

The previous owners of the Braves, Time-Warner probably set the franchise of the Braves back 20 years with their treatment of the Atlanta franchise. Not only with their lack of spending, but with the Devaluing of the importance of Braves baseball on a national scale.

Thanks to Ted Turner, Skip’s enthusiasm for the game of baseball had a strong impact on a generation of baseball fans.

Thanks to the IDIOTS at TBS/TimeWarner (B4 Liberty bought them), Skip’s influence was relegated to those of us lucky enough to “live in the Braves market”. Then, it was only on radio.

I’ve been a little critical of Peachtree TV’s quality of the broadcast of the Braves games this year. But if there’s one thing they got right, it was the chance for us to hear him on TV a few more times.

To Bayou Brave and many countless others, YES, I TOO thought I was the only one who fell asleep at night listening to the voices of Skip/Ernie. When the Braves were on the West coast swing, I would “suddenly” remember homework I forgot to do, or couldn’t sleep..

Yes my parents, (mom in particular) would tell me to turn off the radio and go to sleep, I would inevitably turn the volume down low, and fall asleep listening to Skip/Ernie

By FloridaBrave

August 4, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Section 412,

Thanks for the info. With the Braves done for the year, I’ve been closely monitoring our farm system and have become growingly excited.

I’m just going to use bullet points as this will be random but there are some many guys I want to talk about.

-Everyone knows about what Heyward and Freeman are doing in Rome. For two 18 year olds to be playing how they are in A Ball…is just special. There’s really nothing else to say about these two that hasn’t been said- they’re both extremely special players.

-Speaking of prospects in Rome, Cody Johnson has recovered from a slow start to put up respectable numbers. He might have the best raw power in the organization but I’m not sold. I think Myrtle Beach will expose him as a prospect if he hasn’t been already. Power-hitters, especially lefties, really seem to struggle there.

-Jeffrey Locke also recovered from a slow start and has put together a nice season. His numbers aren’t eye-popping but I’ve heard people raving about the movement on his pitches. People need to remember he plaed HS ball in New Hampshire so he’s a little behind in his development. I expect big years next year from he and a hopefully healthy Cole Rohrbough, who despite his struggles this year is still striking people out at an impressive rate.

-In addition to these two pitchers, P Erik Cordier has been impressive since returning from TJ surgery. He’s the prospect we got for Tony Pena and he apparently has some impressive stuff. If he stays healthy, he could become a guy we talk about a lot more.

-In Danville, I’ve been keeping an eye on Jon Gilmore, Julio Teheran, and Randall Delgado. Gilmore struggled in Rome this year as he clearly wasn’t ready for the challenge but he’s destroying the ball in Danville. People talked about how he’d be their heir apparent to Chipper until another prospect in the organization resurfaced(talk about him later). Teheran’s had some arm issues but he’s 17 years old, throws in the mid-upper 90s, and has the makings of three plus pitches. He’ll be our top prospect one day. Delgado I hadn’t heard as much about until Bill blogged about how the organization loves him so I did some digging and saw he’s only 18 and having an impressive season in Danville. He might always be overshadowed by Teheran but I read his stuff is impressive as well.

-Myrtle Beach has quite a team. Hernandez already was considered a super prospect last year despite not necessarily showing the power and patience scouts wanted to see. But this year, he has improved on both areas to go along with his great speed, defense, and bat control. He might be the prototypical leadoff hitter we’ve missed since Furcal.

-Brandon Hicks established himself as a top 10 prospect this year and has earned a promotion to Mississippi. The strikeouts are definitely concerning, but the power he displayed this year was impressive and I have read there are some in the organization who thinks he’ll be a better fielder than Yunel. So I know some might not be too high on Hicks with his low average and high K’s, but a slick-fielding SS with 20-25 HR power potential is a legitimate prospect.

-Tyler Flowers has shown to be an interesting prospect. If Flowers was a legitimate catcher, there’s no doubt in my mind he’d be one of our top 7-8 prospects. But from what I hear he’s a bad-bodied 1B playing C moreso out of necessity. At the same time, Cox even raved about his power in ST but what sets him apart from our other prospects is that he’s the most discipled hitter in our system as he boasts and OBP over .400 with more BB than K. It’ll be interesting to see how the Braves handle Flowers. He might have value down the line as our main back-up at 1B and C and first bat off the bench. I wonder if the A’s would give us something good for him considering how much they value these types of hitters…

-2B Travis Jones, 1B Ernesto Mejia, OF Concepcion Rodriguez, OF Jon Owings, and OF Willie Cabrera have also put p impressive numbers in Myrtle Beach to get some attention. I don’t hear too much about them so I’m not sure how much the organization likes them but we’ll see how they do in AA next year.

-In my opinion, the big story out of Myrtle Beach and one of the biggest of the year out of our system is the return of 3B Eric Campbell to top prospect status. I believe he was injured the first part of the year and then started slow yet he is among league leaders in a bunch of offensive categories. What’s rare about Campbell is that he might have the best raw power in the organization(up there with Cody Johnson) yet he is also a fantastic contact hitter who has shown much improved plate disciple this year. He’s also had some off-field issues in the past but has kept his head on straight this year and has to be back on our top 10 prospect list and perhaps the heir apparent to Chipper at 3B.

-In Double A, obviously some people are concerned with Jordan Schafer but if you look closely at some numbers, it’s not all bad. First of all, I think it’s only fair to say he’s struggled to hit LEFTY pitching in AAA as he boasts a .277/.386/.454 line in 130 ABs against righties with a .188/.316/.313 line in 80 ABs vs. lefties. He can also cut down on the strikeouts but I wouldn’t get too down on him yet. I’d still pencil him in as our starter next year in CF over Blanco.

-Tommy Hanson has also been fantastic not including the few first rough starts he had. He threw a no-hitter awhile back but has now been shelved with shoulder tendinitis. Either way, I’d say he’s our 2nd or 3rd best prospect and will see time in Atlanta next year.

-Kris Medlen has came out of seemingly nowhere to become one of our top 10 prospects. He started the season as a reliever but got some starts to work on some things. But then, he started to dominate as a starter and has become a legitimate starting pitching prospect. Some are concerned with his size but he’s got three plus pitches and just threw 7 innings of 2 run ball against the most talented team in the minors in the Huntsville Stars(Brewers AA).

-I also can’t believe we got Todd Redmond for Tyler Yates. He’s been outstanding this year. He’s shown off amazing control and his changeup is an advanced pitch. I don’t know how high his ceiling is but he’s putting up impressive numbers. Not bad for a guy we got for a scrub reliever.

-BTW, the closer for Mississippi Luis Valdez was signed as a minor league FA from the Pirates organization and has caught the eyes of scouts with his mid 90s fastball and sharp slider. He doesn’t get a lot of attention but he could be a candidate for our bullpen next year.

-In AAA, it’s glad to see Lillibridge rebounding from a tough start. I’m not willing to trade away Escobar or Johnson yet to make room for the guy but I think he’d have a lot of value in the super-utility role Betemit had a few years ago. I’m still not a Brandon Jones fan. I got criticized a while back for saying it but I don’t think he’ll amount to much. I have been pleasantly surprised by P James Parr, who pitched well in AA to earn a promotion in AA.

-In terms of the draft, P Craig Kimbrell as dominated both Danville and then Rome so far and could move fast a la Joey Devine. His fastball explodes out of his hand and he’s got a sharp slider. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him a call-up next semester. P Richard Sullivan also earned a promotion to Rome after dominating Danville and has only walked one batter in 39.2 professional innings. Casey Hodges, Paul Clemens, and David Francis have also at times dominated Danville while Zeke Spruil and Brett Overholtzer have dominated GCL.

Feel free to chime in on any prospects I missed and that you love.

By Section 412

August 4, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

brent a - thanks. Not worried about it, OK with me if people choose not to believe - individual choice. You are right in that there was nothing ground breaking, just some honest thoughts. He didn’t go all ugabrave on Francouer (btw - uga - are you with the group at the Phoenix Ritz for the Az St game, or somewhere else? - I would like to say hello if you are with our group). He just said the outfield production has been a huge problem this year and that we need a big outfield bat to help solve it (generically - nothing specific outside of the comments about going after Bay).

When he talked about the lineup for next year (not a promise or a guarantee, just a look forward to help us “suckers” decide to renew our tickets for next year, right Robert?), he didn’t mention Francouer until his afterthought. Probably not intentional, but that’s what happened. My wife says she remembers him saying maybe he could “work his way back into the 6, 7, or 8 spot” (I said 7 or 8 in my post).

Anyway, this matters a lot less now with Skip’s passing. Sad day, but reading Chip’s comments, it sounds like there is a little bit of comfort in the fact that he is in a better and less painful place. RIP, Skip, from someone who you helped make a Braves fan over the past 30+ years.

By beachcomber

August 4, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

My wife and I are the parents of two deeply devoted Brave’s fans because of Skip and Pete. Summers were shared more with those two than even friends and relatives.

In a shameless steal from the Righteous Brothers, the brodcast crew in heaven is one heck of a lot stronger and funnier today.

It is sad that this man passed without joining his father in the broadcast wing of the Hall of Fame. He, and his partner, certainly belong there.

By BravesFanChris23

August 4, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

R.I.P - Skip Caray

I just woke up a few minutes ago and found out. Sad day for Braves, Baseball and Caray family. I’ve always enjoyed listening to Skip on the radio and also when he did TV on TBS. You will be missed.

By Anders

August 4, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

My condolences to Braves nation on your loss. Truly one of baseball’s special people. I was lucky enough to be familiar with his work through TBS in years past. The funny thing about announcers is we all tend to take them for granted when in reality they’re with us much longer than most players. They are the human fabric of the team that passes from generation to generation of fans, from father’s to son’s.
As today’s blog should be for close family and friends of the Braves I’ll pay my respects and leave. We can discuss my Mets horrible weekend beginnning tomorrow again.

By Shaun

August 4, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

My favorite Skip line: “When you get to Washington, say ‘hello’ to my money for me.”

By Big Easy

August 4, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

So sad about Skip. His wit was still sharp. The other day, probably his last game, he gave out the attendance like this (I forget the actual attendance figure): “32,000 the announced attendance today. Of course, about half of those are disguised as empty seats…”

He will be missed.

~E~

By JasonInMaine

August 4, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Wow. That’s about all I can say. I had just checked the Braves’ news last night. At the time, this had not been reported. I told my wife that at least there wasn’t any more bad news in the world of the Braves today. Well, I couldn’t have been more wrong.

I could go on for quite a while about what Skip meant to me as a child despite the fact I never met him, but I will spare you all. As many of you have said, the Braves and the entire baseball world lost a legend.

Lew, thanks for letting me participate in the tribute to Skip a while back.

May God extend his grace and mercy to the Caray family in this time of mourning.

By Lew

August 4, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Shamus-I KNOW it wasn’t your post. That’s why I didn’t respond.

Y’all-I’ve already had several requests this morning for prints of the Skip/Sid Slid drawing. I would be more than happy to send one to anyone on the blog who requests one today-as a Memorial to our Beloved Voice Of The Braves.

Email me at LewHartman@comcast.net Please include your blog name and Real Name, as well as your snail mail address and I will send you a copy-as usual, at no charge to yourselves. For those of you who are unaware, DOB was able to present the drawing, along with testimonials from about 25 Denizens of the MIB Blog to Skip earlier this year. It just won’t be the same again without him.

By ssiscribe

August 4, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

A sad, sad day for Braves Nation. Lew, echoing what several other longtime denizens have said, thanks very much for allowing me to participate in Skip’s tribute. A voice of my youth, now silenced. Between this and my oldest starting kindergarten this morning, I suddenly feel old.

Somehow, the details of this season gone horribly awry just don’t matter this morning.

God bless you Skip, and thanks for the memories. Our family lifts you and your family in prayer. Tell your dad we say hello.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By KC

August 4, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

I think Braves announcers ought to start making up the origins of fans (as Skip always did) in tribute.

You know… “and a fan from Macon, GA comes away with that foul ball”

I had a rough childhood and moved around a lot. The one constant was Braves baseball, since they were on TBS nearly every day, and I’ll always remember listening to Skip. He meant a lot to me though the years.

It seems almost odd to be this moved by the loss of a man I’ve never actually met, but the truth is, he meant something to me. I feel as though a personal friend is gone, even though I never had the opportunity to shake his hand.

I’m going to miss him.

By Braveheart

August 4, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

I just hope that when he got to the gates of heaven, Saint Peter didn’t ask Skip to explain the infield fly rule.

By Braves20

August 4, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

I cannot add a thing to the great tributes to our friend that have appeared here. There is also a very special tribute from a young man at the Sporting News website - I believe his blog name was Expert 40 - very moving.

If I can join Shaun in sharing my favorite Skip line. It followed that memorable very long extra innings fireworks game than ran deep into the morning.

“It was the only time in my life than I came in at 4 a.m. not feeling guilty.”

Thank you for a lifetime of great baseball memories, Skip.

By wiki

August 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

I started watching the games in ‘78 when my parents decided to subscribe to the 13 channel cable TV package. I always enjoyed Skip being able to tweak Ernie to the point of uncontrollable laughter that you could tell he had to turn off his mic until he regained his composure…….and most of the time then I was too young and innocent to even know what they were talking about. God bless.

By SeaAtl

August 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

To lose Skip Carey on Braves family day is both appropriate and doubly sad. He’ll be missed.

By Lew

August 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Jason, Scribe and Others who participated-I don’t know if I ever mentioned it before, but those who did participate did so because they were the only ones I knew how to contact at the time. NOT A SINGLE PERSON begged out of writing their thoughts-not one-and everyone thanked me for the chance to tell Skip their feelings. That right there should tell everyone how much Skip meant to us all. When was the last time their was 100% consensus and participation on anything? I’m certain if I had been able to contact more Denizens, the percentage would not have changed at all.

When my wife and I were in grad school in Athens, my son was born at the beginning of what was then another season of trial and tribulation for Los Bravos. It was also the time when TBS would re-broadcast the evening’s game in the middle of the night. MY son did not sleep an entire night through during the season. Being the one in Grad school at the time while my wife worked (we swapped roles when I finished), I would rock my son in Married Housing in the wee hours of the morning ( free cable for we broke students was provided by UGA) and I would watch the losing effort for the SECOND time each evening. I spent much time with Skip that summer.

The man will be missed and there’s just no two ways about it.

By Doc Holliday

August 4, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Well, another idiot just came by think his IQ is above average. Thats only if its compared with the other animals you sleep with at the zoo. Poor soul.

By flange1

August 4, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Morning All,

I just saw the news this morning about Skip’s passing away.

A terrible blow to Braves Nation.

I echo the sentiment of other Braves fans that it is very hard to separate Skip Carey and the Braves.

I grew up in Atlanta and had the pleasure of meeting Skip numerous times as a kid and as an adult. Skip was always good for a laugh.

It will be hard listening to a Braves game without him.

To me the greatest Braves ever are Henry Aaron and Skip Carey.

Thoughts, Prayers and Condolences to the Carey family.

Could someone please explain the infield fly rule for Skip????

By DAP

August 4, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

i just found out about skip this morning. i cried. id like to ditto everything my fellow bloggers have said. we will miss you, skip.

By Random

August 4, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Some interesting viewpoints from commenters to FB:

By gayle

August 1, 2008 12:00 PM |* Link to this*

I’m with you, Coach. Except Millwood a good trade? Estrada? - moving on.

One thing that no one has yet dared to explore should we besmirch the diety that is Smoltz - second only to King Booby - is the trail of players sent away from the Braves and the farm system over tha past five years to accommodate Smotz’s desire to return to the starting rotation.

For those with a short memory, it was Smotz’s demand, not a team decision. His contract was up and he was ready to go elsewhere unless the Braves put him in the rotation.

How many trades were made to replace Smoltz as the closer and how many players that might possibly be helping this team now - on the field or as trade bait - were sent away?

And how much longer would Smoltz have been available to this team if he put the team first and stayed in the bullpen? Would his arm or shoulder have held out longer?

There are many factors that have contributed to the demise of this team as a perennial contender. I submit that Smoltz’s demand to move out of the bullpen is at or near the top of the list. And because he is so revered in this town, the subject is never mentioned.

What a great town Atlanta is to play in. No demands from the press and the fans.

+++++++

By Dave in Arizona

August 1, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

The other extremely bad move was letting Smoltz leave the bullpen. It wrecked the pitching staff and exposed the bullpen to Dan Kolb as closer. Smoltz went from being a knockout closer to a good, but not great starter, blew himself out and left. Most of these horrible decisions were no brainers. Now the Braves are a triple A club managed by a fossil who has never been a good strategic manager.

+++++++

By Rick Long

August 1, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Gayle:

Your comments about Smoltz now tops my list as the most ridiculous post ever. To refresh your recollection, Smoltz was one of the most dominant STARTERS of his era and has perhaps the best record as a starter in the post season. As I recall it, he agreed to become the closer a few years back because management somehow couldn’t manage to find a dependable closer for years and the team kept failing to win the ultimate prize because of that deficiency.

Prior to his injury this year, he returned to being a dominant starter. You may also recall that the team didn’t have the same dominant starters that it did during most of their 14 year run when he returned to the rotation. I also recall him saying something to the effect that his principal reason for wanting to return to the rotation was that he wasn’t doing the team any good being the closer in the playoffs during those years because they never got to him.

My recollection is that Smoltz also has taken less money over the years in order to give the team payroll flexibility so they could sign other players to try to remain competitive despite budget restraints. If you or anyone else doesn’t think Smoltz had several opportunities to pull a Texeira and leave town at the first chance for far more money than he accepted from the Braves, you are delusional.

Smoltz selflessly agrees to become the closer because the team can’t find one and essentially wasted chances to win more than one World Series, then returns to the rotation because at that time he was more valuable in that role and he is the reason for the current state of affairs of the team? Are you kidding me?

+++++++

By gayle

August 1, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Rick……..

I don’t necessarily disagree with what you say, but you leave some things out - the items that I made mention of in my post……

The Braves have never had a legitimate closer once Smoltz returned to the rotation. Do the names Dan Kolb and Bob Wickman ring a bell?

Your point comes down to an argument as to which is more valuable - a closer who can give you 40-50 saves or a starter that can give you 13-18 wins?

I say closer simply because of the fact that a closer impacts many more games than any starter can. The Braves have missed not having anyone close to Smoltz as the closer since he left.

Combine those blown saves with all the players gone to bring in new closers and I maintain that Smoltz hurt this team more than helped it by his return to the starting rotation.

By i cant take it anymore

August 4, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

the men that remind me of my father are slowly fading away. I remember a father’s day game he called not long after my own father had died. he said he would give it all up for just one more time to talk to his dad and to be sure to call him and tell him how much he means, because when they are gone, they are never coming back… This one hurts big time. i cant believe skip’s voice is gone. no more summer grill-outs and beer with skip giving it to us straight as we relax to braves and good times. no more echos of his voice when leaving turner, no more jests that make him so unique, simply no more. he’s gone, and never coming back…he’s gone

By RedEyedAndBlueforSkipAndFamily

August 4, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Somehow the Braves dynasty really seems over now, and it has nothing to do with the wins and losses, the 14 division titles, or the Tex trade. Those things just don’t matter.

Were I able to attend, I’d come to the funeral disguised as a blue seat, Skip. As it is though, I hope that you know that the Game and my love of it wouldn’t be the same without ya. Peace of the Lord, my friend.

By DAP

August 4, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

responding to random’s post, i just have to say to the dude from arizona…smoltz a good not great starter? what planet are you from!?! 47-26 with a 3.05 ERA since rejoining the rotation. over 600 K’s in almost 700 innings. did you watch smoltz pitch? he was dominating, dude. geez.

and gayle who have we given up for closers? adam laroche? horacio ramierez? we havent exactly hurt ourselves in trades for closers, gayle.

By Carroll Rogers

August 4, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

some awfully elegant posts on here about Skip. Thanks for sharing. And i love the favorite Skip quotes: tell my money hello…and coming home at 4 a.m. guilt-free. priceless.

By chuckw/deadjournalist

August 4, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

In a season gone wrong, it takes this to bring me back to the blog.

Here’s what I wrote on the site earlier today:

The only certainty in life is change and with the passing for Atlanta Braves broadcaster Skip Carey, the voice of the Braves changes yet again.

Much as it will then Larry Munson passes, there are generations of Southerners who link one man’s voice with their team.

Carey’s appeal extended beyond the South, as his link to the country via TBS was as strong as any other national baseball broadcaster.

But for those, like myself, who spend much of their youth listening to Carey, Pete Van Wieren and Ernie Johnson, Sr. on the radio, yesterday marked the closing of a link to the past; the end of a link to our childhood.

Truth be told, I was always more fond of Van Wieren and Johnson than Carey. I enjoyed the Johnson’s grandfatherly charm and Van Wieren’s knowledge more than the, at times, abrasive nature of Carey.

But Carey transcended the status of broadcaster. He was the face of the broadcast team. And when paired with Van Wieren, I, like many other, would switch from TV to radio at the bottom of the 4th as the broadcasters switched from radio to TV to listen to the pair. (This was especially true after Johnson retired.)

This weekend I happened to be in the car during the Friday and Saturday Braves broadcasts and noticed that Carey wasn’t at the mic. I wondered if he was ill, although I hadn’t heard of any latest troubles.

Then when the news came last night, it hit me that was indeed the end. I only listened to a few minutes of Braves radio broadcasts this year. With television on delay, it’s impossible to listen to the radio broadcast while watching the game on TV. (Another in a long list of changes that are not for the better.)

Earlier this month I did listen to a game on radio, in part because I knew Carey might not be around much longer before he officially retired. While I don’t remember much about the broadcast, I’m glad I made a point to listen.

This year has been the worst season for the Braves in almost 20 years. But now, more than anything, it will have another, tragic mark.

Carey’s passing is a reminder. A reminder that the glory days of the Braves franchise is behind us. That youth is behind us.

That the times have changed, yet again.

By Shamus Thacker

August 4, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

No hard feelings Lew, sincerely. I’ve been through Hell the past couple months and have become a little quick on the trigger. I believe in everything I said, but not in how it was put forth. For that I am sorry.

I sorta wear being classless as a badge of honor. I’ve never let anything change me. If only my home had wheels….

By David O'Brien

August 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Just finished reading all the sincere, heartfelt thoughts about Skip posted since last night. I’ll work on getting up a new blog soon. Thanks for sharing, everybody.

Floridabrave, excellent look at a lot of the Braves’ top prospects in your 7:50 a.m. post. Thanks much for that.

By Random

August 4, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Hey, McFann, Bosslady —

Cheer up — have you seen this yet?

Tulibu Dibu Douchoo

It’s from the Bulgarian edition of American Idol.

Pretty funny.

By Jeff R

August 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

I grew up listening to Skip call the Hawks games, and then the Braves. My career has taken me across the nation, and, summertimes, when the Braves were on TBS, I always looked forward to tuning in. Watching the games and listening to Skip, Pete, Ernie and Don was always a touch of home. As a fan I’ll miss Skip, who was always willing to buck the company-line and call a spade, a spade.

By Doc Holliday

August 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Blog calling SNIPPER AND BRAVES FAN IN ATLANTA

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Blog calling SNIPPER AND BRAVES FAN IN ATLANTA

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Please acknowledge.

We are missing you muts fans around, wonder if it has anything to do with the 2008 meltdown.

By BT

August 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Skip’s passing brought out some great bloggers from the past - The Scribe and others. Hope everyone is back.

By Lew

August 4, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Shamus-No problem Dude. It’s not relevant. Hope your Mom keeps improving-THAT is relevant. Passions sometimes get the best of us and Lord knows, as Braves’ fans, the Denizens of the MIB blog are some of the most passionate there are. Same to Doc. We’re cool.

By jukeandjive

August 4, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

I hope the Braves add a “Skip” patch like the “Beach” patch they’re already wearing. It sucks that the team is on the road, and not home for the memorial service. Lower the Braves flags to half mast. It’s a sad day in Braves Nation. You will be missed Skip. I hope you are in a better place.

By richbrave

August 4, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

No more “free baseball.” The tears welling up in my eyes must be a mirage for I know SKIP would prefer a wake to a dirge.

Listened to TBS yesterday for the first time since the BRAVES last broadcast, and there was CHIP doing it right. I suppose he didn’t know at that point. Us guys. We all miss our dads. Sorry son, you won’t be the only one missing your dad.

Since 1977, I’ve looked forward to SKIP calling it like it is with his ascerbic wit. There’s no replacement. He will be missed as will the BRAVES once they remove to GWINNETT. End of an era. God, I feel old.

By TennesseePaul

August 4, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

Skip will be missed. I couldn’t believe it when I pulled up the site this morning. I thought I was mis-reading the headlines. I checked other sites to make sure. He will be missed. Sad day indeed. Rest in peace Skip.

By timthebrave

August 4, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

I am really sad. I lost the announcer of my childhood. I remember how he used to say “some braves fans from….marietta, rome, etc caught that foul ball.” For the longest time I thought he knew where everyone sat in the whole stadium. The bream call and world series call really stand out in my mind. Also him complaining about the infield fly rule and the wave. I also remember him reaming a guy when he asked him what a walk off home run is. You hit a winning homerun, you walk off…that’s it” I will mostly miss him joking around but never laughing at his own jokes. RIP. You will be missed

By etownbrave

August 4, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

Hearing the news last night was like a kick in the gut for me. I learned to love the Braves from my grandma who listened to the radio broadcasts until the day she died. My aunt still has that radio, a red, Panasonic ball. It will be hard to listen to Pete tonight knowing he has lost such a dear friend. We all have. God bless the Caray family. My prayers go out to you all.

By crimedogrules

August 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Man, you would think that he was just an announcer but he was the link to my childhood, a link to great moments fo my life and a laugh when all things were going wrong. He was family.

Skip was cranky when we lost, giddy when we won just like me. He hated the wave, complained every time the fans did one.

We will all miss you Skip, rest easy. Thank you for making my favorite pastime even more enjoyable and memorable. “Heavens win!!”

By darren in nashville

August 4, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Rest in Peace Skip, i will miss his voice immensely, when ESPN baseball personalities would try to immulate it, i looked at that as a compliment! does anyone remember his 1992 call of the NBA’s 1st dream team? He was doing the game against the Chinese National team alone and Team USA was winning big with an entire second half to go…not much to talk about and noone else to speak with, an obviously hungry Skip uttered these words which i will never forget ” you know the thing about beating the Chinese National team is 30 minutes later, you just want to beat them again” as i sat alone in my apartment, watching this game and listening to Skip, i laughed harder than any other time in my life…Thank you for that Skip…love and condolences to Chip and the family

By Mark

August 4, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Skip was the greatest and I will sorely miss him. Any word on whether the Braves will make a tribute to him on their uniforms? I think that certainly be appropriate.

By Renegator

August 4, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

I’ll always remember how much he hated “that damned Banana Boat song” whenever they would play Day-o over the load speaker.

What a true legend of the game. He will be very sorely missed.

By timthebrave

August 4, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

A couple more that made me laugh. “That one’s right down the middle for a ball”….”the bases are loaded and dusty baker wishes he was”….” Larry that one, buddy” when he was making fun of a guy screaming Larry at Citizens Bank park when Chipper hit a homer. “free baseball” when it went to extra innings….

By ncscoots

August 4, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Lew, how long were the tributes to Skip that were included in his painting? I mean, are they too long to include here on the blog? Scribe reminds me that there are some old hands included there that we don’t see too often anymore. Might be nice to see some of their thoughts on Skip.

By Lew

August 4, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Can they waive rules and induct him to the HOF this year? He damn well deserves to be there.

By Big Easy

August 4, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

I doubt the Braves will have a memorial patch on their uniforms, at least until the next home stand (as it takes time to get them manufactured and in place); however, I would expect to see a black memorial armband on their jerseys, at least for this road trip.

Just my guess. DOB, you hear anything regarding a uni-borne memorial for Skip?

~E~

By Goodoleboy58

August 4, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

I’ve watched the Braves and listened to Skip since 1991 when I was 10 years old.. Thanks for all the memories Skip and for being there for 4 hours a day everyday for the last 17 years. It’s been a good run RIP Skip

By brent a.

August 4, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

By the way, was anyone watching the other night (Thursday or Friday), when they put Skip on camera for a brief moment, after snagging some food that the caterer had just brought into the booth?

It was a funny scene, with Chip and Joe calling the game on TV and Skip, stealing away after grabbing a mouthful of food.

Hard to believe that that was Skip’s last moment on television, as incidental as it was, it was still nonetheless, Skip Caray, being himself, with his son in the shot to boot.

My favorite Skip call was the David Justice homer off of Rob Dibble in October 1991, which put the Braves in the lead, completing a comeback from down 6-0, and sprung the Braves to the NL West title that week-end.

Coincidentally, my father was at that game in Cincy, and was actually in the shot of the ball clearing the fence.

They replayed it last year during the “top 10 moments of the Braves on TBS”, so thankfully, I was able to get it recorded, so I can watch it regularly.

My father is now long gone, and now, so is Skip. But thankfully, I have that video of that one moment, where two of my favorite people, and two of the most influential figures of my childhood, were brought together in one moment, and one of the biggest moments in Atlanta Braves history at that.

By brent a.

August 4, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Good news:

braves.com still has the “top moments of Braves on TBS” on its web-site.

Here is your link

By cabravesfan

August 4, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

Reading all of the favorite quotes that people have been posting has reminded me of all the times Skip made me laugh out loud during a game- and now it is making me want to cry. Loved his humor, loved his sarcasm, will certainly miss his voice.

By long time fan

August 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

As a kid growing up in Atlanta during the 70’s I really did not realize how lucky we were to have Skip calling the Braves games on radio and TV. During the early days of WTCG Channel 17 ( before it became TBS ) Skips sarcastic preview of the upcoming movie to be shown after the game was classic. Although he will most be known for doing the Braves games my first recollection was of him broadcasting the Hawks during the 70’s. His play by play during the late 70’s when Hubie Brown was the coach and the Hawks were finally competitive was priceless. When a win was assured it was “cocktail hour”. Also a classic line from a few years ago when Skip commented that “the Hooters girls have made an appearance at the stadium tonight, blocking the views of the paying customers down front, and no one seems to mind.” Classic.

By Paddy McGillicutty

August 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

I got introduced to the Braves as a kid in the late 80s in some of those lean years. My fondest childhood memories are going to grandparents’ house and watching Skip and the gang call Braves games every night on TBS. There were times where we laughed at Skip, yelled at Skip, but most of all we were both extremely thankful he was the one guiding us through those games. I will never forget calling him when I was 11 as I was jumping around my living room screaming when Sid Bream slid past Mike LaValliere in the ‘92 NLCS. My grandfather passed away in 2005 and I cannot begin to explain how happy he will be pick Skip’s brain about the Braves in heaven. A great commentator and from all accounts a great guy—Skip Caray you will truly be missed.

By McFann O

August 4, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Hey, McFann, BossLady, Cheer up!

Thanks, Random.

hey, maybe the Braves will help us all feel better by starting a 51-game winning streak tonight!

By Savannah Guy

August 4, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

There are so many heartfelt comments here and around the Braves blogs last night and today since the news broke. With the passing of Skip Caray, it’s going to be a cathartic time on blogs all around Braves Nation. For those of us that grew up listening to him, we’re touched in a very personal way.

Not to take anything away from Ernie, Joe, Don, Pete and others, but the ultimate voice and personality of the Braves was always Skip. If music is the soundtrack of our lives, surely Skip was the play-by-play attitude of our game. He brought Braves baseball to life.

Most of us will remember his ‘Skip-isms’ for many years to come. He’d calm us during a nail-biter and perk us up during a slow game. He always gave us a heads up when a game was out of reach by letting us know it was “safe to walk the dog”. Then, “as surely as the night follows the day”, he foretold the inevitable outcome of an intentional walk.

Thank you Skip, for the great memories, the humor, the jovial repartee, the reverence, the irreverence, the tongue-in-cheek style and the heartfelt candor. So, as surely as we will all go from ashes to ashes and dust to dust… and as surely as the night follows the day, each of us will depart. Hopefully we’ll get to hear Skip announcing again, on a heavenly field of dreams.

God bless Skip and the Caray family.

By David O'Brien

August 4, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG is up, folks.

By Lew

August 4, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

Scoots-Most of the messages were two or three paragraphs, some a bit longer (around a page). Braveheart’s however, was five pages AFTER he trimmed it down-He DOES have much to say at the best of times-usually pretty relevant stuff, as was the case with Skip’s message. All were extremely heartfelt-much like what you’ve seen today-all were extremely personal recitations.

I no longer have copies and I’m not so sure everyone would have been comfortable having others read them. Only two or three saw them all-including DOB, who made sure that Skip received the drawing and testimonials. His efforts on our behalf are GREATLY appreciated.

I would like to do the same with Hank Aaron sometime in the future and I have MANY more people to contact for their words this time around if I’m able to pull off a presentation in the future. I DO keep everyone’s contact info confidential.

Now the response to these prints has been exceptional. No problem printing them or mailing, but I would appreciate that if someone wants a copy, they get in touch sooner, rather than later, as I still have to address envelopes and make sure I have enough printed. I would like to get them mailed tomorrow, and while I realize some won’t even know of the offer to later, I would appreciate y’all letting me know now if possible. Contact me at LewHartman@comcast.net Don’t forget your blog name, real name and snail mail address.

Several Denizens have offered to pay postage-Thanks very much for the offer, but I’ve got it all covered.

By darren in nashville

August 4, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

thought of one more, whenever a pitcher would fake to 3rd and then look at first Skip would normally say “that is the 18,497 time in a row that that play hasn’t worked” i later say a game that it did and i yelled out loud that i hope and pray Skip Caray DIDNT see that, i didnt want the streak to end! a fan from Thomasville, Ga just caught that reference

By All I know

August 8, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Headline:

Miracle Braves come back, win Divison, League Championship and World Series.

That’s all I ever think when I watch this team. We have not played to our true potential. If Chipper can stay healthy, we are not out of this.

I think that categorizes me as slightly delusional, but it’s the only reason I still watch. I’m keeping hope alive.

By All I know

August 8, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Headline:

Miracle Braves come back, win Divison, League Championship and World Series.

That’s all I ever think when I watch this team. We have not played to our true potential. If Chipper can stay healthy, we are not out of this.

I think that categorizes me as slightly delusional, but it’s the only reason I still watch. I’m keeping hope alive.