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DEL.ICIO.USBraves Nation must know: Will Sammy displace Corky?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The trade deadline has passed, August is here, the fourth-place Braves have conceded they are out of contention, and the question on the minds of Braves Nation is this: Who’s catching tonight, “Sammy” or “Corky”?
Why would I use quotation marks around Corky, when that’s his actual name? This is a question for which there is probably no satisfactory answer, much like: “How has an .094 hitter remained on the major league roster all season?”
But anyway, will the tools of ignorance — baseball jargon for the dog days — be worn tonight rookie catcher Clint Sammons, who went 3-for-4 with a homer and three RBI last night in his second start this season?
Or will the starting nod go to grizzled journeyman backup Corky Miller, who is 5-for-43 (.094) with one homer and three RBIs all season? Stay tuned. We’ll let you known in an hour or so.
By the way, the catching reins could be handed back to All-Star Brian McCann by Monday, when the Braves open a two-city road trip at San Francisco (we’re gonna have highs in the 60s in ‘Frisco, then highs of 105-110 when we get to Phoenix).
Mac’s progressing well in his recovery from the concussion he sustained in his collision with Shane Victorino Sunday in Philly, and was supposed to see the doc last night to see about getting clearance to pinch-hit this weekend and resume starting duties next week. I’ll let you know how that went later today.
In the meantime, Sammy or Corky tonight? What’s your guess? I’m going with Sammons. The Braves want to take a look at a few young players over the last two months of the season, and I think Sammons might be one of them. Could he be slotted for the backup job next season? Don’t see any reason why not.
The Braves wanted the former UGA player (and former Parkview High quarterback) to get a solid year of work in Triple-A to continue learning to handle pitchers, and he’s done that.
Tonight’s game: It’s been a while since we’ve seen Chuck James, and a whole lot has transpired with these Braves since he was banished to Triple-A following his May 15 start at Philly when he gave up five runs and three homers in four innings and said he flat-out felt needed to learn to pitch again.
He went 2-3 with an 8.22 ERA in five starts for the Braves in April and May, but James has gotten back on track at Richmond, going 4-5 with a 2.48 ERA in 14 games, including 1-1 with a 2.12 ERA in his past three starts, with 17 strikeouts and five walks.
The little lefty has regained his arm strength and hasn’t had issues with his pitching shoulder (it was a partial rotator cuff last fall that played a big part in his decline, and prevented him from preparing for this season).
With all the question marks the Braves have in their rotation for next season, James might be getting an early audition for job consideration. Keep in mind, he won 11 games each of his first two seasons in the majors (2006-07), and was a quality pitcher before the homer totals soared with his ERA.
In his last 13 major league starts, James has allowed a staggering 21 homers in 62-2/3 innings, going 4-5 with a 6.75 ERA in that span.
If you’re looking for a positive, other than his progress at Richmond, here’s another couple of points to consider: Chuck is 4-0 with a 2.70 ERA in his past four home starts. He really is. He only gave up three homers in 23-1/3 innings in those four games, two starts in September and two in April.
(On the road? Oh, my. He’s 0-3 with a 9.47 ERA in his past six road starts, three last season and three this season, with 30 hits, 10 homers and 12 walks allowed in 25-2/3 innings.)
Two other reasons for Braves fans to have legit reason to believe tonight: Milwaukee starter Jeff Suppan is 1-3 with a 9.10 ERA in in his past six starts, and 1-5 with a 5.61 ERA in six career starts against the Braves.
By the way, the Brewers had a 2.22 ERA and hit .285 with 12 homers during an eight-game winning streak through July 24. Since then they are 1-6 with a 6.43 ERA and .228 batting average, including a current five-game losing skid (they were just swept in a four-gamer against the Cubs at Milwaukee).
Got this letter from a fan: Not everyone has converted to the blogosphere. Some still prefer to send an e-mail or, believe it or not, a letter (I still have a few waiting in my mailbox each time I stop by the office).
Here’s an e-mail that was forwarded to me, written on July 25. The guy said I could use it in the blog. We didn’t edit or add the elipses or anything else, other than replacing some of the numbers with X’s in his phone number.
Subj: Bobby Cox.
In today’s sports page David O’Brien in his article “Braves left behind by breaks” points out that there are many bloggers and venters calling for Bobby Cox to be fired. I wasn’t aware of this. I do not read blogs or vents. I don’t read anything less than twenty words. If you believe you can state a position in twenty words or less, you’re an idiot or a Carl Rove sound-byte technician.
Bobby Cox has created a culture throughout the Braves system. When a minor league player makes it to the big show with Cox’s Braves, he blends in; he knows how to play and how to carry himself. Bobby Cox is all about loyalty and character. These bloggers and venters are not baseball fans, they’re more like buzzards; mindlessly circling the stadium looking for a kill to feast on.
No, I don’t agree with every call Bobby makes during a game. But, let me tell you, as long as he wants to manage … not only let him, but honor the man while he’s here.
David Myler (Snellville 404-2XX-XXXX)
Manny circus leaves town: Doc Holliday, Shaun and other regulars on the blog were debating the big Manny Ramirez-to-L.A. Dodgers three-team trade, and Doc and some were arguing that the Red Sox are a lesser team now because Jason Bay is no Manny, etc.
Anyway, thought I’d chime in.
Bay’s not a Hall of Fame player and Manny is; everyone, I assume, can agree on that. But as much as a segment of bloggers here often states and apparently believes that clubhouse chemistry and attitude mean little, it’s not true. Particularly in extreme cases, prima donnas can become more trouble than they’re worth, can pass the point of diminishing return. Manny is a case study.
When it comes to someone who so blatantly ignores team rules and clubhouse decorum, flaunts his status, and time and time again makes a spectacle of himself with no apparent regard for game situations and little personal regard for the importance of winning, when one takes his behavior to such an extreme that even the adoring fans at Fenway boo one of their own, long-term superstars, well, then the situation has become so dire, the distraction so great, the risk too high for a team that needs to have everyone on the same page in order to win in a competitive division and in what promises to be a rigorous postseason test.
By the way, speaking of stats, since the 2006 All-Star break, Jason Bay has hit .268 with 122 extra-base hits, 57 homers, 191 RBI and 197 runs, with a .474 slugging percentage and, though not overly important, 16 steals in 17 attempts.
In that period, Manny has hit .305 with 109 extra-base hits, 51 homers, 193 RBI and 177 runs, with a .527 slugging percentage and one steal in one attempt.
I think a few of you are letting Manny’s unbelievably productive decade from 1995 to 2005 skew your opinion of this trade, and your view of him in the present. He’s 36 and tailing off significantly (just look at his numbers the past couple of seasons, compared to those previous years).
You should not just ignore declining production, enormous salary, outrageous behavior and legit concerns that the player is not going to play hard in crucial situations. You can’t. The Red Sox decided they couldn’t, or wouldn’t, and that they did not want to deal with it anymore.
Dog-days diversions: Finally had a chance to listen to a few CDs I picked up recently, and here’s three new ones I’d recommend: Beck’s Modern Guilt (co-produced by him and Danger Mouse), Partie Traumatic by Black Kids (sounds very much like great ‘80s-era new wave/post-punk stuff like The Cure), and Fire Songs by The Watson Twins, a solid alt-country/rock set by the ladies who did an album with Rilo Kiley’s Jenny Lewis a couple years back. What does this one sound like? I’m thinking Byrds, Gram Parsons, early Neil. Also, speaking of The Cure, there’s an improbable, unusual, cover of the Cure’s “Just Like Heaven” on this CD that actually sounds great.)
”BACK TO TUPELO” by Mark Knopfler
Around the time of “Clambake”
Movie number twenty-five
You and the lying Dutchman
are still in overdrive
You’re as strong as when you started
Mississippi in your soul
You can still be Marlon Brando
and the king of rock and roll
It isn’t just the records
No, you must have Hollywood
The songs alone are not enough
That much is understood
You’ll soon be back in Memphis
Maybe then you’ll know what to do
The storylines they’re giving you
are just not ringing true
Oh, it’s a ways to go
back to Tupelo
When you’re young and beautiful
Your dreams are all ideals
Later on it’s not the same
Lord, everything is real
Sixteen hundred miles of highway
roll back to the truth
And a song to give your mother
in your first recording booth
Around the time of “Clambake”
that old dream’s still rolling on
Sometimes there’ll be the feeling
things are going wrong
The morning star is fading
Lord, the Mississippi’s cold
You can still be Marlon Brando
and the king of rock and roll
But it’s a ways to go
back to Tupelo
Comments
By reron-nj
August 1, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Please, please no more corky
By Joe
August 1, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
Jeez, hate to say “I told you so,” about Sammons for the last 3 months, but it is so sad to think that we could have had a competent batter and fielder playing during McCann’s “off-days” rather than the scrub that is still taking space on our roster.
I think Miller’s prolonged call-up this season, more than any in-game decisions, shows that Bobby has clearly lost it.
Nobody thinks Sammons is going to come in and bat .340, but he can be a serviceable .250 backup in the Damon Berryhill mold, who will not absolutely kill us in Mac’s absence the way C*rky has all year.
Mac also will not be forced to warm up and pinch hit on his “off-days” anymore.
This move was a long time coming and I hate that it took McCann getting hurt for Bobby/Wren to see the light. I shudder to think about the fact that had Mac gotten hurt, we may have actually seen Corky Miller on a major league roster all season long. Ridiculous.
By BA
August 1, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
DOB, unfortunately your letter didn’t print, which stinks, because I was looking forward to reading it.
By DAP
August 1, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
shaun “I’m wrong”
mark your calenders, folks.
By N8
August 1, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
DOB
David Myler, in his letter to you wrote:
“I do not read blogs or vents. I don’t read anything less than twenty words. If you believe you can state a position in twenty words or less, you’re an idiot or a Carl Rove sound-byte technician.”
Did you write back to him, stating that guys like me, NEVER use less than 20 words? Secondly, it’s clear that he doesn’t read the blog, with the incorrectly stated “you’re an idiot” at the end.
(sigh) Time to get with the 90’s…..er….00’s, Mr. Myler.
By Chuck
August 1, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Any updates on Chipper? Just wondering if he looks like he’ll be ready to come back when he comes off the DL. And by the way Sammons should be starting tonight with out a doubt!
By The Scatman
August 1, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
The true purpose of Corky
In the circus, when a tragedy or near-tragedy occurs, they send in the Clowns to distract the paying customers.
Here’s Corky…beep beep!
By Shaun
August 1, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
For this trade in particular it cost the Sox more than any other team. They gave up 2 prospects, covered all of Ramirez’s remaining salary and picked up Bay’s salary. Quite a hefty tab. The Pirates got their 4 young guys. The Dodgers have a free outfielder. The Sox picked up this tab.
The prospects the Sox gave up weren’t key prospects. Moss projects as a fourth-outfielder/platoon type player. Hansen is a reliever that hasn’t shown much promise so far. In other words, the Red Sox didn’t impact themselves that much in order to make this trade happen. Yes, a fairly hefty tab. But not all that hefty for a slight upgrade in leftfielders, no drama and more youth.
I do have a question though, if the Braves shouldn’t give up 4 (or even 5) prospects for a player they have control over for two play off runs in this case, as would be the case with Bay, why was it the right move, as you so adamantly argued, for the Braves to acquire Teixeira for 4 or 5 prospects? In both cases they would have been fulfilling this mandate of yours: If a player [Bay/Teixeira] is better than the one you’ve got [Blanco/Franco] and you can get him, then go get him
The Braves were a whole lot closer to the playoffs when they made the Teixeira trade (only 3.5 games out) than they were this season when they went after Bay. Plus, Teixeira is probably more talented than Bay or appeared to be at the time.
Also, I should have said it depends on the prospects—how good they are and how expendable they are.
By Bawlmer Brave
August 1, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
Glad to see Clint (my cousin’s name) get some playing time. Wow, what a difference! I realize it was only one game, but he’s nearly outhit Corny’s season totals in that one game, forget about homers and RBI.
By prattvillenolzfan
August 1, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
Sammons had one good game…..
That means absolutely NOTHING to Bobby. He has defended Corky all year. He has cost us at least 10 games in the standings by continually starting him during Campillo’s starts. Even when we had “must win” series, he continued to bench McCann so he could “rest him for later in the year”.
Well guess what, the rest of the year means jack diddly to the Braves nation now.
If Cox played Corky during “must win” games during the season, what makes you think he is going to bench Miller now….. You can’t teach a dog new tricks..Cox will continue to do what he’s always done…Screw up the line-up….
Oh yea…I found it very amusing that Cox was quoted by DOB that he will play the “best line-up” against the division leaders…He would not roll over against them..Nor would he play younger/inexperienced call-ups against them….
Why didn’t you employ that attitude earlier in the year
By 18 Wheels of Love
August 1, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
LOVE the new Beck. Not as hard hitting as The Information but very, very good.
And what hasn’t Danger Mouse produced lately???
By roja
August 1, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
I can state my position in fewer than 20 words: Give Corky his unconditional release and while you’re at it, give Bobby his.
By Mark
August 1, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
DOB,
By TURTSNAP
August 1, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB, by the end of next weekend, you should have a nice summer cold coming on, with the vast Temp changes you will experience in SF and PHX. I remember last year I traveled out to SF in August, then came home to the 100 degree heat we were experiencing, and was sick within a few days. Hope it is different for you.
By Chad
August 1, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Re-post from the end of the last blog
Any possibility that the Braves would take Andruw back in a Mike Hampton type trade. Where most of the salary is absorbed by the Dodgers and/or another team?
Or has that bridge (Scott Boras) been burned?
By NoOrdinaryRabbit
August 1, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
Joe Did you read DOB’s blog? Look at the number of at-bats Corky has had (I think it’s actually 54, not 43) but it is completely insignificant as far as the Braves season goes. He hasn’t played enough to make his woeful hitting mean anything. His presence hasn’t turned the Braves from winners to losers, nor has it turned Cox from a good manager to a bad one. He just doesn’t matter, except on this blog.
By Shaun
August 1, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
DOB, we pretty much agree on the Manny trade.
I will say this, though. I think the Red Sox would have dealt with whatever chemistry issues he caused if he was significantly a better player than any other options they could have traded for without giving up one of their top few prospects. After all, they did when Manny was putting up MVP type numbers.
By The Truth
August 1, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
As Clint has shown the past 2 starts, he’s loaded with potential and is superior to Corky (and many other catchers) defensively. He’s also got the game smarts to back it up. Keep Clint, let Corky go - simple as that.
By BravesFan79
August 1, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
I was one of the first people on here to diss Corky….at the beginning of the season i questioned Cox for keeping him over Lopez, and ESPECIALLY was p** when they let Pena go instead of Corky!
But many on this blog, including you DOB defended the decision…… not ONLY was it a terrible decision 2 let a young promising catcher go for a old guy that cant even hit .100 …it made Escobar go into a slump!
Actually i feel bad for Corky……..its funny everyone piles on him……..AFTER it dosent matter anymore!! Wheres the people now talking about his “defensive abilities” lol….. please….
I say we keep corky around….see how many games we can loose…..and get a better draft pick.
By Shaun
August 1, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
I hope Chuck James can solidify his place in the rotation for the next two months. I think James can be a decent major league pitcher and he gets a bad rap from a lot of folks on this here blog who think he should be a Cy Young candidate for some reason.
By Jeff321
August 1, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Bobby Cox has created a culture throughout the Braves system. When a minor league player makes it to the big show with Cox’s Braves, he blends in; he knows how to play and how to carry himself.
Hmmm, I guess this explains perfectly then why only a couple of Braves can bunt, eh?
Btw, I already read Sammons is starting tonight. I think it was on the Atlanta Braves/MLB site. (I’ve read a bunch of stuff today.)
By roja
August 1, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
Anyone who has ever watched an MLB game can tell from simply observing COrky’s play that he does not belong in the bigs. In fact, he doesn’t even belong in the littles. I would bet you a week’s pay that he isn’t even good enough to make 1st string at UGA or GA Tech.
If Bobby wants to try my theory, call up his friends on the UGA staff and get them to give Corky a tryout next spring and see if he doesn’t end up getting cut from the team! Then, if he makes it as the UGA 1st string catcher, sign him to a Braves contract. If not, send him packing. My money is on him being cut!
By Rick
August 1, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
wHAT HAPPENED TO BRIAN PENA..????
By TennesseePaul
August 1, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
DOB: Love the Modern Guilt CD. Beck just keeps cranking them out.
The Watson Twins are a solid duo. They’re opening for Nada Surf next month. I might be headed to that one as well. The Pinback show last night was, well, incredible. They’ve really nailed down the live show from previous times I’ve seen them. Just all around good times last night. The venue was very nice. Great rock show.
On the Manny note, I agree. Manny wasn’t even running out ground balls there at the end. Nothing about his actions on the field or off the field had any team spirit in them. It’ll be interesting to see how he acts out here. I wonder if he’ll temper his actions in the new environment.
I don’t read anything less than twenty words.
Obviously not a blog reader.. otherwise he’d have see Nathan’s 15 page rants… but I suppose it did make for a good lead in to his less-than-20-word sound-byte technician political jab.
By Alan
August 1, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
Corky’s cork has popped & he should hit the road. Bobby, however, has an irrational obsession about playing “veterans” this season, so it will not surprise me if Corky plays. Sad if it happens.
By TheCutMan
August 1, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
re: Corky or Clint? Duh.
re: Team execution of fundamentals and execution under B. Cox? Duh.
re: Braves’ chances for the remainder of 2008? Duh.
By BamaBrave
August 1, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
I was pulling for Corky to make the team out of spring training (man, that seems like a LONG time ago, doesn’t it?), but yes…enough is enough. Hello Sammons.
And F Manny Ramirez…F Brett Favre…F all of the spoiled, infantile jockstraps who’ve forgotten that they play team sports. Shame on them all. My sincere hope is that the Red Sox play .750 ball the rest of the way, now that they’ve successfully removed their cancer.
By KC
August 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
I’m in favor of Sammons instead of Corky, but must point out the following…
Sammons, in 287 AB’s at AAA this year, hit .237, with 1 homer. That’s against AAA pitchers.
So despite the great game he had yesterday, I wouldn’t look for much more offensively that what we were already getting from corky.
Having said that, he can’t be any worse offensively, and he might be a defensive upgrade. Corky was supposed to be a defensive specialist, but he hasn’t impressed behind the plate.
By Bobby's Cox
August 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
From last blog:
I mean do you know what a utility player is?..well Prado, Infante, Gotay were signed/traded for to play “utility roles”..they didn’t sign Greg Norton for his defensive prowess Einsten
Einstein, I thought you were dead. Maybe that’s the reason for the obvious drop in your IQ.
Prado wasn’t signed or traded for to be a backup. He was signed as a amateur free agent in 2001, meaning the braves signed a prospect out of Venezuela.
Prado was given to springs to compete for the starting job at 2nd base. He simply hit .354/.407/.479 in 2007 and . 342/.407/.452 in 2008. Yet management still decided to go with a guy that never played he position before.
Scoots says Prado wouldn’t have it over .500 AB. I say, you never know if you don’t try. But what we do know is KJ is a .265/.330/.390 hitter over 500 AB. I bet Prado out does that if given the shot. I’m afraid we’ll never find out. Sad. Oh well, he’ll just be another De Rosa on another team eventually.
BTW, Scoots thanks for the kind words two blogs ago. Fact of the matter is though, I’d be all over Lillibridges jock too, or anyone else for that matter, if he hit just as well as Prado did. I’m just sick of seeing KJ’s mediocre numbers and inconsistency at the plate when there’s a kid that’s done more than asked, yet still sits the bench as the offense continues to struggle.
Again, the offense has scored 7.14 runs per game in Prado’s 14 starts, more than 3 runs a game when he doesn’t start. Why not try it out? Oh yeah, in case someone brings up his defense again, the kid had a .995 fielding percentage in his last full year in AAA at 2nd base, in case it didn’t stick from my last 5 or so posts.
By roja
August 1, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
David Myler, here is one of the most eloquent positions ever expoused by the leader of the free world: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
Those were 17 words that changed the world.
But you weren’t listening because it was less than 20 words.
By Tonight on TBS
August 1, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Clambake (1967)
Scott Heyward (Elvis Presley), whose the son of a millionaire, is tired of woman fawning over him because of his wealth, meets Tom (Will Hutchins), who’s on his way to his new job as a water skiing instructor at a hotel. They envy each other’s life and decide to switch places. So Scott pretends to be Tom and Tom lives it up pretending to be Scott. Scott meets Dianne (Shelley Fabares) who is trying to land a rich guy and when playboy James Jamison (Bill Bixby) catches her eye, she asks Scott to help her snag him. Scott agrees to but finds himself attracted to her. Scott also decides to build a boat for a speedboat race that’s going to take place in the hotel but he’s using a new experimental chemical which doesn’t hold in water, which his father forbade him to use.
By JEB
August 1, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
The Braves REALLY need to remedy this catcher situation! BMac NEEDS that 5th day off through the season to help prolong his career (and God forbid if BMac should get hurt or needs to rest a nagging injury). We can not have a catcher that is only a guy out there that catches the ball and throws it back to the pitcher! Corky is a .200 pt. drop off in BA every time he plays (from BMac). You cannot have a winning, competitive team for a 162 game season and have that in your lineup every 5th game! That is like conceding another loss every other series - that kills you over the course of a season. I honestly do not think the Braves have won a single game that Corky has started this year (only can remember the 17 inn. marathon with Houston and Bmac played more inn. than Corky did!) Corky is like having 2 pitcher spots in your batting order.
By Bobby's Cox
August 1, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
Sammons had one good game….. pratvill
Good point…that’s 1 more good game than Corky’s had all year.
I think you’re right. I think they send the kid down, “so he can play everyday.”
By fastasballs
August 1, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
Keeping Miller on the roster instead of other options continues the long line of head scratching roster decisions the Braves have made the past few seasons.
Was keeping the likes of Woodward over Escobar last season a worse move? Escobar had a great spring last year & was rewarded with having watch Woodward take his spot.
An even better question is why the Braves even sign these fringe major league players to start with. Their payroll is still a helluva lot higher than a lot of teams yet fill their bench with cast offs that nobody else would want.
The Marlins manage to have Helms & Gonzalez on their bench, yet have a 20M payroll.
Who gets the blame. JS, Wren, Cox? I’m sure these are shared decisions.
By Kevin in Chattanooga
August 1, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
DAVID,
Do you see the Braves giving Thomas Hanson or one of their other bright young arms a chance to start going down the stretch? Hey why not? Hanson has been on fire at AA.
By Joe
August 1, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
Joe Did you read DOB’s blog? Look at the number of at-bats Corky has had (I think it’s actually 54, not 43) but it is completely insignificant as far as the Braves season goes. He hasn’t played enough to make his woeful hitting mean anything. His presence hasn’t turned the Braves from winners to losers, nor has it turned Cox from a good manager to a bad one. He just doesn’t matter, except on this blog
Hey, noordinaryrabbit…maybe with a decent backup B-Mc can save his knees for a season that matters? Wouldn’t it have been nice to have had a backup with 90 AB’s at .250, rather than Corky’s 50 at .092?
You have no argument for Corky Miller being on a major league roster. There is none, whatsoever.
By Steve
August 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Well unless the Braves are going to be playing a shot drinking game. Yes Sammy must replace Corky. Mr. Miller can’t even hit his weight.
By roja
August 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Why would the Braves want Andruw back? Other than the fact that he’s batting .163 and that’s higher than Corky.
By BravesFan79
August 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
with one homer and three RBIs all season?
Wow that reminds me of Woodcraps stats from last year! Its obvious to me over the past 2 seasons Bobby has no idea of whos hot, whos not, and just who plain SUCKS! Were all jumping on Corky today………(like ive been all year!) But the problem here isnt Corky, the problem here is Cox.
Not bringing Escobar up when Chipper first got hurt last spring, and dumping Pena for Corky were both turning points in the season!
Not only can Bobby not realize whos cold in the Pen (wickman in road games, soriano during his HR stretch, ect….) But NOW he dosent even know how to carry decent backup position players!
Why in the world give a Career .200 hitter the WHOLE season to turn it around!??
Bobby couldnt make a exception for Lopez? a fan favorite who could come off the bench and jack one out!?? But hell have Woodcrap and Corky around ALL YEAR!?? WTF
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Great Blog… We can tell the status of our season by the fact that our biggest news the day after the trading deadline is who our backup catcher should be lol… Alas in baseball there’s always tomorrow
By Steve
August 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Well unless the Braves are going to be playing a shot drinking game. Yes Sammy must replace Corky he can’t even hit his own weight.
By prattvillenolzfan
August 1, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
Bravesfan79
We know you were one of the first to publicly diss Corky…
We know you were pi55ed about Pena being let go…
We know you’ve posted the same tired/lame/juvenile post about Escobar being upset…..
Trust me when I say us bloggers understand fully how you feel
We don’t need to be reminded of it every single blog
But bringing it up every single blog is really getting tiresome…Cox is not going to change his way of thinking/managing, so there’s really no reason to keep rehashing the same tired point….
If you want to bash Cox, or to question his decisions, he usually gives us new material at least 4/5 times a week
Be original….
By Bobby's Cox
August 1, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
Why would I use quotation marks around Corky, when that’s his actual name? This is a question for which there is probably no satisfactory answer, much like: “How has an .094 hitter remained on the major league roster all season?”
Hilarious DOB. Well written.
By Random
August 1, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
Minor reprise form previous bloggage:
Shaun: “Random, ignoring contracts and clubhouse drama and all of that, who would you rather the Braves have from this point until the end of 2009? Ramirez or Bay?”
Ramirez, even with the “clubhouse drama and all of that”. Seriously.
Aside from all the data we’ve been tossing around, my gut feeling is that Bay was a merely big fish in a small pond, whereas Ramirez is an effin shark. (The BB Prospectus article mentioned earlier is giving me a new perspective on Bay, though — I may not be so quick to dismiss him offensively as I have been).
I do think Ramirez will still be able to get it done significantly better offensively than Bay thru next year at least, and I would just hope that we could hide him defensively.
You know, like maybe trade away all our LH pitchers, or something.
8-)
Just joking — I really do like Ramirez better than Bay for this year and next.
Also, per that BBP article, “Bay’s defense, per Clay Davenport’s rankings, has fallen off of a cliff the past two seasons, and he rates as worse than Ramirez in this system. Even if Bay’s knee injury has taken its toll, it seems likely that the difference between them defensively is exaggerated statistically.”
I read the article you linked — it is by far the easiest to understand article on esoteric BB stats I’ve yet seen. Do you think they have similar explanations of VORP, Wins Over Replacement, Babdabbings, etc, on that site? Thanks for the link.
DOB: “Lee, I think there’s a good chance Sammons fills that backup catcher role next season… . I think we could (should) see him in that backup catcher role, perhaps catching one of next year’s five rotation starters on a regular basis.”
Bowman: “More importantly, during his past three starts, [Chuck] James has completed 17 innings, allowed four earned runs, recorded 17 strikeouts and issued just five walks… . Helping James realize this turnaround in Richmond was catcher Clint Sammons. Coming off his career-best three-hit performance, which included his first career homer, Sammons will be behind the plate again on Friday for the southpaw.”
A match made in heaven? Will tonight be a peek into next season?
We’ll see — here’s hoping they both can come through and be a big part of our success next year.
By TennesseePaul
August 1, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
Also, I should have said it depends on the prospects—how good they are and how expendable they are.
Yes. You should have. Plus, you should have prefaced the “If you can get a good player, better than what you have, you get him” comment with, “only when you are within contention for a playoff spot. Otherwise, as initially stated, it was entirely a double standard.
From what has been “leaked” of the Braves/Bay deal it didn’t seem to be a deal that would have forfeited players that would be needed after the trade. B.Jones and Lillibridge would be unnecessary as Bay would block, or replace, Jones and Lillibridge was blocked by Yunel. A deal from strength.
As well as the Red Sox not giving up much in terms of minor league talent, the Dodgers didn’t either. Perhaps the Pirates didn’t think much of Lillibridge and Jones. Perhaps I’m biased towards the Braves prospects, but it would seem the Pirates passed up the better deal. Maybe this deal covered positions they were seeking? It’ll be nice though for the LaRoche family.
But no matter how you slice that trade, subtracting a hall of famer (head case or not) and 2 prospects (marginal or not) along with covering the tab of the out going star and picking up the tab of the incoming player, the Sox paid the most in this deal. The Dodgers actually reduced salary in this deal and picked up a star slugger. The Pirates remain the Pirates but now have a brother tandem on the field.
By NCBravesFan
August 1, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Makes sense to play Sammons - the Braves want to look at the talent they have, and clearly Corky has not made any kind of case for sticking around.
I’m pulling for Chuck tonight, if for no other reason the rally cry, “I’m Chuck James, B!tch!” has left a hole in the blog this year.
By BostonBravesGirl
August 1, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
DOB, so true, and Shaun’s got it right too in his 3:20 post - the Sox put up with Manny especially in 2004 and 2005 because his numbers were so good:
2003 33 HR, 107 RBI, .349 avg 2004 43 HR, 130 RBI, .308 avg (and MVP of the Series) 2005 45 HR, 144 RBI, .292 avg 2006 35 HR, 102 RBI, .321 avg 2007 20 HR, 88 RBI, .296 avg 2008 (all games he played for Sox) 20 HR, 68 RBI, .299 avg
The big difference now is his teammates were complaining AND Francona and the owners had run out of patience; the Sox are really duking it out with the Yanks and the Rays and it’s going to be close. I’ll bet you all the 50%-off Manny jerseys at Fenway that Bay will get a standing ovation tonight.
By OrlandoFan
August 1, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Chad: You want Andruw back?
By London Correspondent
August 1, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
Sheesh. Will you people give it a rest over Corky! He isn’t the reason the Braves are where they are. He hasn’t caused us to lose 10 games all on his own. His 43 at-bats have not ruined the season.
Sammons has been in the minors so that he can play every day. This is quite normal. It is stupid to have your best young players sitting on the bench getting splinters - you get old cheap guys to do that while your youngsters are in the minors learning. THAT’S WHAT THE MINORS ARE FOR. Now the AAA season is pretty much over, Sammons may stay here, or he may go back down til the end of the season - either is reasonable.
And by the way, give up on the man-love for Pena, will you. He was a terrible catcher. He went through waivers twice and only the Royals were interested. Do you relly think 43 at-bats from him would have fixed the season?
By Renegator
August 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
NoOrdinaryRabbit
So in that game against St Louis when Corky came up with the bases loaded when the game was tied (or it was a 1 run game - I can’t remember) and he grounded out to SS instead of knocking in some runs - that didn’t matter.
KC
Even if Sammons only hits .200 in the majors it’s still twice what Corky is hitting. Plus, like you said - Corky’s defense has been suspect this year.
By Random
August 1, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
David Myler: “I don’t read anything less than twenty words. If you believe you can state a position in twenty words or less, you’re an idiot or a Carl Rove sound-byte technician.”
Screw David Myler.
By RedEyedAndBlueIfCorkyPlaysTonight
August 1, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
Mr. Myler, while I may disagree with your point of view, you may have a future on the blog. Get this guy a computer.
By Warren S.
August 1, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
Lay off Cox, you jerks. If you were so smart, you would be a major league manager. Winning with the senior age staff he has, is a miracle as far as I’m concerned. If you don’t like the sports teams here, go on back to New Yawk or Philthydelphia. No one asked you to come here and spout off your crap.
By Renegator
August 1, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
It makes logical sense to play Sammons which means that Bobby will probably play “his boy” Corky.
By Rick Long
August 1, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
The Braves have at least 3 players on their current roster who should be jettisoned as soon as possible: Corky Miller; Greg Norton and Julian Tavarez. Continuing to keep these guys on the roster and, worse yet, actually playing them rather than giving younger players who might have an upside a chance, it’s clear the team is in a rebuilding mode, is absurd. Then again, old Bobby sure does like his veterans (and favorites)
By i cant take it anymore
August 1, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
DAVID…Thanks for the great stat comparison b/w Bay and ramirez. Im going to use that one tonight when talking baseball with friends. they, too, still think manny is doing the type of stuff he was doing earlier on. ON other stuff…Do you think andruw is sweating his future now? Thanks for the great post, man
By jerry l
August 1, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Dump Cox. Enough is enough, Cox only has won 1 World Champ. when the Braves use to load up free agents. He cannot manage a struggling team
By D.M. from Snellville
August 1, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
Well everyone in my family suggested that I actually go to this darned blog and find out what the heck is going on. Well all I see is a bunch of so called pre-verts that are out to sap the vital essence out of Braves nation. Corky this and Corky that. Well you people should shut the heck up. Bobby Cox is much smarter than any of you and he knows what he is doing. Heck, he will wind up in the Hall of Fame. Probably in the first round. So don’t criticize or second guess him. If Corky is on this team, you know there is a good reason for it. Mr. Bobby Cox is all about class and quality. He ain’t gonna be drinking anyone else’s milkshake. He can make his own, thank you very much. So enough about Corky. He’s on the team, Bobby wants him and Bobby believes in him. That’s good enough for me and that should be good enough for you if you were real Brave’s fans and not just a scurrilous murder of crows. You don’t know baseball. Bobby believes in the fundamentals and that’s why he carefully hand picks players such as Corky Miller. Corky plays baseball the right way. You won’t see him lollygagging down to first on a groundout. Heck, he would rather strike out than hurt the team by not getting down to first fast enough. You won’t see him flipping his bat after hitting a home run. And you won’t see him barrelling into the other team’s catcher when he’s trying to score on a throw from the outfield. No. He is a disciplined disciple of Mr. Cox - a player of class and quality. So Corky is here to stay and laugh if you want to but you won’t be laughing when you see Corky on the All Star team in a couple of years. I bet that under the tutelage of Bobby Cox and the esteemed Mr. Pendelton you’ll see Corky’s average rise steadily over the next several years: .100, .200, maybe .235 like Francoeur, .250, then .290 and eventually into the .300’s. His power numbers will also rise: his homerun total will double every year. Approximately. And his double total will quadruple. And he won’t do it by cheating or taking banned substances - he’ll do it the right way, the Cox way, by hard work and diligence and doing all the little things correctly. Look at the way he ties his shoes. The right way, if you hadn’t noticed. But you people are supposed to be such BIG baseball fans and you don’t even notice, let alone appreciate the way that Corky laces up his cleats. Baseball fans my @$$.
By Renegator
August 1, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
Warren S.
Give us some examples of some smart things that Bobby Cox has done this year.
By Cecil34
August 1, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
A few thoughts concerning Manny…
He is the most disgusting looking major leaguer out there currently - a slovenly looking, unkempt ballplayer who obviously takes no pride in his appearance.
That alone is a distraction. Wears his uniform 3 sizes too big, hair flying everywhere, rosin-covered batting helmet…the epitomy of undisciplined.
Looks like he plays in his pajamas.
And all this before you even get to his attitude. What a mess.
Good luck Joe Torre, you got one for the looney bin. Call the team shrink.
By Gil In Mechanicsville
August 1, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Joe While I can agree Sammons is an upgrade over Corky Miller, you seem unable to grasp the concept of allowing a player to develop. Being sent to Richmond to accrue at-bats and hone his skills as a signal caller will be beneficial to both Sammons and the Braves in the long run. Call it an apprenticeship if you like but Sammons would not get an opportunity to become more skilled playing only one day a week.
Now as for Corky making the team to begin with, I thought there were several options available that were better than Miller but the Braves front office did not consult me on that one so they got what they paid for… or maybe not…
By Jack G
August 1, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Sammons is the obvious choice——having said that, ol Boby makes out the lineup so i’m betting on “Corky”
By McFann Ô
August 1, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the new Bloggage and the update on 3BMac, Chief!
Progressing well, you say? SO glad to hear it! I’m counting down the days until Monday. (Is it really only Friday?)
I can’t believe they’re starting the road trip in SF, with games on at 10 o’clock. Wish we were having 60° weather here, though!
Can’t wait for your next update—about how the doctor visit went! Hope they give it to you quick! ; >
I’m glad the Braves aren’t rushing his return like the Mets did with Church. But man, I’m ready to see him play again!
By Steve from OH
August 1, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Random, if you want explainations of some of the more esoteric stats, try this page. It’s off the firejoemorgan website but it does a pretty good job of explaining the stats and why they are important. If there are any others, you could simply go to google and search “define:(insert whatever you want to define)” and some explainations should pop up.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
Queens of the Stone Age’s Era Vulgaris is outstanding tuneage to drive through snarled Atlanta Friday afternoon traffic on a hot, humid day. Anger. Aggression.
By RedEyedAndBlueIfCorkyPlaysTonight
August 1, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
God help the other David Myler in Snellville if he’s listed in the phone book.
By PMC
August 1, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Given that the baseball season is over for the braves and thankfully next years backup catcher is solidified. Also watch your back KJ Prado and Infante could have your slot…. I thought I’d say I’ve enjoyed the musical selections DOB.
Danger Mouse has been busy. He’s produced a ton of great stuff this year. Attack and Release was excellent so I’d imagine the new Beck is as well.
I’m also enjoying My Morning Jacket’s Evil Urges, thanks for inspiring me to buy it. If you haven’t seen their version of the Who’s “A Quick One while he’s away” with Eddie Vedder it’s excellent. It’s on the new Pearl Jam DVD from thier Italy tour but it’s probably on line. It’s an excellent performance though.
CHeers,
By jukeandjive
August 1, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
BREAKING NEWS
Corky Miller has been traded to the Fulton County B-League (Beer League) Softball Team. Corky thanked Bobby Cox for his opportunity, but acknowledged his looking forward to playing with the likes of John Rocker and Co. in the coming days. Stay tuned. More details ahead.
By richard simmons
August 1, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
Corky is a big guy. Wade Boggs would have a hard time hitting Corky’s weight, if you catch my drift. I kinda wish Corky would hit his weight actually.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
BA, go back and read the letter. I fixed it a few minutes after posting.
By fieldofdreams
August 1, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
You may remember a young Puerto Rican catcher named Lopez, who also hit a dinger in his MLB debut. Jung would call it a meaningful coincidence, I call it a sign. Both the ancient Celts, and NW Native American tribes, believed in the mystical quality of salmon. Although Sammons doesn’t have Javy’s power, he may bring a magic of his own to our team. PS: The best interests of Chipper, and the Braves, will be served by him moving to an AL contender, where he can solidify his HOF resume and perhaps play in October. Pictures of him grimacing in pain, and barely able to move, scream that he belongs in the AL. The Braves, on the other hand, need to move on.
By jukeandjive
August 1, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
MORE BREAKING NEWS
Regarding the Corky Miller trade to the Fulton County B-League Softball Team: The trade hinged on the amount of 12-packs it would require the Braves to cover for the Softball Team. After intense negotiations, it was decided that the Braves would indeed have to cover the costs of all 15 cases required for the remaining 15 softball games left in Fulton County’s season. Bobby said he was a little surprised by the move, but acknowledged that Corky had expressed interest in playing for only 7 innings on a once-per-week basis rather than the full nine. Greg Norton said he hopes to join Corky soon, and is also looking forward to the shortened games.
By lilman
August 1, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this
Who are the Braves moving off the roster to bring James up?
By Random
August 1, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Joe: “Jeez, hate to say “I told you so,” about Sammons for the last 3 months, but it is so sad to think that we could have had a competent batter and fielder playing during McCann’s “off-days” rather than the scrub that is still taking space on our roster… . I think Miller’s prolonged call-up this season, more than any in-game decisions, shows that Bobby has clearly lost it.”
Per Mark Bowman (I think — I can no longer find the article), the Braves wanted Sammons to have a full season at AAA to learn how to handle the pitchers.
*Chad *: “Any possibility that the Braves would take Andruw back in a Mike Hampton type trade. Where most of the salary is absorbed by the Dodgers and/or another team?”
Why in the world would the Braves want Andruw back, even were HE to pay THEM $15 million a year?
Sheesh!!!
By prattvillenolzfan
August 1, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Warren S.
First of all, I’ve been called an A55hole plenty of times before, but never a jerk…I guess there’s a first time for everything….
Second, are you saying that everyone who is smart should be a major league manager…(I know, juvenile response, but it sounds like that’s who I’m responding to…)
Third, yes our opening day pitching staff was considered Old but it’s not now….
Fourth I’ve personally never been to “New Yawk” or “Philthydelphia” nor do I have any desire to go there (although my daughter did go up there with her high-school band last Thanksgiving for the Macy’s parade…and I am going to Cincy in August to chaperone their trip/game) Does that count!!!!!!
Fifth EVERYONE is asked to come on here and “spout off our crap”…Even you Warren…That’s why it’s called a blog
So, who put you in charge to filter the content of the Blog….. Just because some of us thinks it’s time for a change, we can’t post, because you might get your feelings hurt because you disagree…GET OVER IT….
Personally, I was a Cox supporter until about a month ago, yes injuries has taken it’s toll, but there have been MANY moves made by Cox that as a major league manager, he had no business making…..(God…I’m starting to sound like Coach…heaven help me….)
Any way I agree that if it weren’t for Cox, we would not have experienced the success we had for 14 consecutive years.
However, all things must end, and I would like to see Cox bow out gracefully, with dignity, class and respect…He simply deserves that. But if he continues to stay on, his reputation will become tainted, he will start to lose respect, and he simply does not deserve that…
Bashing Cox does not mean we are against the Braves (nor Cox personally), it means that we want to see the Braves, re-attain the stature/status we once had….
Kind of like a certain football coach I know
By Milton Jeff
August 1, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Manny belongs in LA with all the other drama queens. What a disgrace to the game. I find myself wondering now if we had Clint in those clutch situations where Corky was batting..where would the Braves stand now? I know its only one game but what an impression. Kudos to the local kid. Since we all can agree the Braves are out of it…what team is everyone on this blog pulling for? I’d have to go the Tigers or BoSox.
By Ed Glennon
August 1, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
I think people underestimate the trade value of Corky. The Giants might want him to sit on stat sheets when the wind blows hard. The Dodgers would trade Andruw for him. The Nationals have offered Pete Orr and cash. And what about deal for Chris Woodward?
By Tomahawk Matt
August 1, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
DOB King of Blog and Radio Guests- Thanks for Mr. Myler’s letter. This may take more than 20 words unfortunately. Myler is right on the money. There’s 1000 more like Mr. Myler for every one of these fools who think it’s Bobby’s fault for the unfortunate happenings of the 2008 season.
If someone doesn’t understand why Bobby Cox is still the manager of the ATL Braves then that person clearly knows nothing about baseball.
BOBBY COX HATERS ARE IGNORANT FOOLS! YES PLEASE READ IT TWICE IF YOU NEED TO!
GO BRAVES 2009!!!
By Sammon of Knowledge
August 1, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Once upon a time, an ordinary sammon ate the nine hazel nuts that fell into the Well of Wisdom from nine hazel trees that surrounded the fountain. In doing so, the sammon gained all the knowledge in the world. Moreover, the first person to eat of its flesh would, in turn, gain this knowledge.
The poet Finegas Eces spent seven years fishing for the sammon. When he finally caught it, he instructed his apprentice, Fionn mac Cumhaill, to prepare it for him. Fionn burned his thumb when spattered with some of the hot fat from the cooking sammon and immediately sucked on it to ease the pain.
When he brought the cooked meal to Finegas, his master saw a fire in the boy’s eyes that had not been there before. When asked by Finegas, Fionn denied that he had eaten of the fish. When pressed, he admitted his accidental taste.
It was this incredible knowledge and wisdom gained from the Sammon of Knowledge that allowed Fionn to become the leader of the Fianna, the famed heroes of Irish myth.
Clearly, the Braves should replace the cow with a Sammon
By Joe
August 1, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Joe While I can agree Sammons is an upgrade over Corky Miller, you seem unable to grasp the concept of allowing a player to develop. Being sent to Richmond to accrue at-bats and hone his skills as a signal caller will be beneficial to both Sammons and the Braves in the long run. Call it an apprenticeship if you like but Sammons would not get an opportunity to become more skilled playing only one day a week
The fact is, Sammons is never going to be anything more than a backup Major League catcher. He is already 25-26, and he will remain cheap. He has reached his ceiling, so go ahead and bring him up and let him be a serviceable backup.
It’s a no-brainer.
He won’t ever hit over .250, but he also won’t embarrass himself the way Miller does every time he plays.
By Bobby...No!
August 1, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
What in the name of Brad Clontz is Bobby doing. Did anyone pickup on the fact that Corky Miller was are starting catcher the and that Greg “the killer” Norton was playing in left field and BATTING CLEANUP!!! I believe it was the woeful Seattle Mariners that Norton was cut from earlier in the season. How in the world do you go from being cut by the worst team in baseball, to not only starting, but batting cleanup? I beg you Bobby please retire so I can stop having nightmares or Jim Clancy and Doug Sisk.
By etownbrave
August 1, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
McFann Just curious. Being a home-schooled student, when does your new school year begin? Close to public school schedules? My son starts 8th grade next Friday, 8/08. And of course, late games from the left coast next week! :{
By GeorgetownKid
August 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this
Well said Mr. Myler.
By Hoosier Aaron
August 1, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
As “Joe” stated in the second post on this blog “I hate to say I told you so”..can I do the same?
I commented a couple weeks ago that I thought a great trade for Tex would be Casey Kotchman and Reggie Willits.
A few minutes later someone asked - “Is that all you’d get for Tex?”
Okay - I missed it. Casey and a minor league pitcher.
Call it what you want - I love Kotchman at first. I think he is a gold-glove type firstbaseman and someone who puts the ball in play. He reminds me a lot of Bream…a high character guy who can play…I’ll take them any day of the week.
By DAP
August 1, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
fieldofdreams your post is eroneous. last night wasnt sammons’ mlb debut, and chipper got hurt running to first, and when he has been hurt, its often caused by something to do with the offensive side of baseball. so how is moving to the AL gonna help chipper?
By Renegator
August 1, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
prattvillenolzfan
I have to assume the football coach that you are referring to is Bobby Bowden. As a Gator fan - I have to admit that I love it that Bobby Bowden is staying on and running that program into the ground. I’m sure the Phillies and Marlins and Mets feel the same way about Bobby Cox.
I believe that Bobby Cox, Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno have got to come to grips with the fact that the glory days are no more. They are actually becoming a detriment to their teams. Since they have done so much for their respective programs - they will never be fired - nor should they be.
But at some point you expect them to look in the mirror and realize that they ain’t got it anymore and they need to do the right thing and step down before they taint their legacy too much.
By David Myler Is An Idiot!
August 1, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Since David Myler doesn’t read blogs, this screen name shouldn’t offend him.
Thank God David Myler doesn’t own the Braves! (Although his philosophy sounds like Braves management) Praise Bobby. Slam Bobby. I don’t really care which. It’s Myler’s assumption that Bobby should be allowed to manage until he dies if he wants that bothers me. What? did suddenly Bobby become a supreme court judge? Bobby can turn into a total screw up and his Braves pedigree buys him a lifetime pass? I make fun of Joe Paterno at Penn State because he has turned into an elderly, clueless man who has traffic accidents and threatens the lady involved with his power and stature at Penn State! He’s past relevent. He has no idea what his players are doing. He claims to have a grip on the program yet his players are going to jail and he doesn’t even know about it! His assistants are running the show.
Dumb David! Joe Pa is what you end up with when you give someone a lifetime job based on past performance.
By TNJeff
August 1, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Curious as to what David Myler wrote in his email but didn’t read beyond the first sentence - too wordy. (19)
By Carolina Matt
August 1, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
I mean, are we really considering the idea of Bobby benching a struggling veteran for an up and coming rookie? As much as I’d like to see it, it just isn’t Bobby’s style…
as for the letter…bloggers rock! e-mail is so 2004, 20 words is all I can get on the screen of my blackberry!
By joe
August 1, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
Why C Miller was on the team AT ALL is a huge wonder to me…clearly, THE WORST catcher in the entire major leagues. He must have something on braves mgmt, otherwise how else to you explain him being on the roster…hell, he’s not even good enough for AA ball…
By Tomahawk Matt
August 1, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
**OOO PLEASE…
PLEASE show me some “bad moves” Bobby Cox has made this year. Given the options he’s had????…**
Let’s do some compare & contrast with the teams of the 90’s and the “moves” Bobby made with those teams.
What a joke! You can second guess every manager in MLB and say they should be fired. LaRussa freakin has his pitcher hitting 8th. That’s grounds for insanity in my book but he still deserves to manage that team and should as long as he wants. AND I can’t stand Tony LaRussa - REALLY!
And yes it does mean you’re as bad as these idiots from Flushing NY if you want good old #6 gone!
GO BRAVES 2009!!!
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
After reading that eyesore at 4:01 p.m., it ist safe to say that not only does Myler from Snellville not believe in less than 20 words but he also doesn’t believe in more than one paragraph.
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
I still find it funny that people adamantly defend Corky… Saying who cares about his 42 AB’s, he’s not the reason, blah blah… He’s contributed nothing offensively to this team and very little defensively.. He’s become a liability in which McCann is forced into playing probably the most innings by any catcher on the year (up to the point of his concussion)..
A semi-competent catcher that, to steal someone else’s comment “can atleast hit his body temperature” would go along way in making our team better (which is the goal when all is said and done)…
By Random
August 1, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
Steve from OH:: “Random, if you want explainations of some of the more esoteric stats, try this page.”
Thanks. Have you seen this article on Base Runs by Joe Posnanski? It’s good stuff — most of his stuff is good (or great).
Shaun — I do have to admit that at least some of my affection for MannyB is a direct reaction to such antediluvian ravings as these by Cecil34. It’s a knee-jerk reaction, I know. Still.
By prattvillenolzfan
August 1, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this
Tomahawk Matt
There’s 1000 more like Mr. Myler for every one of these fools who think it’s Bobby’s fault for the unfortunate happenings of the 2008 season.
JUST BECAUSE Y’ALL MAY BE IN THE MAJORITY, DOESN’T MEAN Y’ALL ARE ALL RIGHT
If someone doesn’t understand why Bobby Cox is still the manager of the ATL Braves then that person clearly knows nothing about baseball
I would like to think that those of us who can give detailed, factual examples for Cox’s ineptness are pretty knowledgable baseball fans…
Unlike those unknowledgable fans who blindly accepts things for the way they are, refuses to ask why, and then broadly criticizes those who disagrees with him….
By Lew
August 1, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
What? No one liners? Where’s the fun in that? You miss a lot of fun that way, like “Corky MIller is not only NOT hitting his body weight, but isn’t even hitting his body temperature.”
That one was Wurlitzer Worthy.
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
On Corky, the gear should be called the “tools of incompetence.”
Been taking Mom to dialysis 3-times a week for three hours per visit.. Was informed today that her kidney function has returned to near normal. Told us she doesn’t have to come back. YEAH!
Ate at The Shrimp Boat in Rome today. Best fish anywhere. Fried Chicken is great too. Wonderful onion rings and coleslaw set the whole thing off. Been eating there since childhood, never been disappointed. Don’t eat the shrimp though, it’s not as good as you’d expect of the namesake.
Andruw’s getting pretty close to the “Corky Line,” isn’t he?
Thanks for the blog DOB; good one!
By spotts
August 1, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
It’d be cool if we went all out for the white flag and picked up Dan Kolb, Bob Wickman, and maybe even ol’ Raf Belliard. And bat Corky cleanup.
And Dave, I’m sad to say that I don’t think I’ve ever heard of any of your ending songs. Maybe a couple.
By Tomahawk Matt Is Clueless
August 1, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
He’s called Tomahawk Matt because he’s taken too many shots to the head rendering him brain damaged!
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
Braves Nation, the news you’ve been waiting for: Sammons is catching tonight.
By spotts
August 1, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Just noticed that Kolby is in the Red Sox organization! He couldn’t handle the pressure of pitching HERE
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
They haven’t announced the roster move yet to activate Chuck James.
By Doug
August 1, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
Corky is terrible. Should have never gotten rid of Escobar’s countryman, Bryan Pena. Never understood that one. Bryan outplayed Corky, better offensive player, and could play other positions.
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
DOB,
I agree, with the letter you posted in the article. I wouldn’t want Bobby to leave, I just think he should manage more in games. Since Furcal left, the running game left with him. How many stolen bases does this team have? Mark Texeira already has a stolen base in his second game as an Angel, but none for the Braves in 103 games. This team has trouble scoring runs, and they bat around 280 as a team. How can that be posible?
I don’t want to bash Bobby, I think he is an important piece in keeping peace and profesionalism in that clubhouse, and players respect him like no other, but he makes bad decisions in roster moves, and using the bulpen. I know he has been forced to use guys a lot because of all the injuries to the bulpen and the rotation, but he needs to give Boyer at least a couple of days. Remember how he gave Acosta rest when he was struggling, I think he should do the same with Boyer. And as you said in your article, how is corky still in this roster, and while we are at it, how is ring, and Carlyle still here too. He has given them a lot of opportunities, and they have proven that they’re not big league material. There you go more than 20 words, and they are not words that will insult bobby, they’re just complaints, that should be corrected by a hall of fame manager like Bobby Cox.
By the way, if Blanco or Kelly get on, they should get moving on those bases. They have speed, and are good baserunners.
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
etownbrave—
We do school pretty much year-round. We take little breaks here and there—mostly in the Fall, when the weather’s nice and you cann do things outside or maybe go on a trip or something.
But I just can’t stay up till midnight—can’t keep my eyes open. It’s really annoying this week since McCann will (hopefully) be returning to the lineup.
By retiredscout
August 1, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
The truth is, neither Sammons or Miller are even good enough to be a back-up major league catcher. Sammons is a poor hitter ( 1 game means nothing)and average receiver. Miller is a better receiver and a terrible hitter. The fact either one is on the roster just demonstrates the lack og talent on this roster.I’m guessing they will go out and find a # 2 in the off season.
By Tomahawk Matt
August 1, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
prattvillenolzfan… if you’re a FSU fan then say no more. You don’t know football either.
Give some examples wise guys… Y’ALL are the ones making PAPER BAG ARGUMENTS! Back up your BS with some facts!
GO BRAVES 2009 WITH BOBBY COX!!!!
By Steve from OH
August 1, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
Random, that was pretty interesting. I’ve never read Joe Posnanski before, but I liked that article. I’ve never read much about Base Runs before, but it’s something to think about.
By Del
August 1, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
So long Corky, was nice knowing you. Hello Sammy, hope you stay a while.
By from TJ Simer's latest
August 1, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
The Dodgers now have too many outfielders. But I imagine they will be sending a limo to pick up Ramirez at the airport, his safety in getting to the stadium critical, so why not have Andruw Jones driving — knowing there’s no chance of him hitting anything along the way.
By Chris H
August 1, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
I never post on the blogs. I just usually read what everyone thinks. Some of it is quite amusing to me. But, after reading day after day about how people feel about Bobby Cox. I decided to give my two cents worth. Some might agree and some will disagree. Its just my personal opinion. I don’t always agree with some of Bobby’s decisions when it comes to managing the team. Examples: Corky Miller and how he uses his bullpen. Having said that can any of you think of another manager right now that takes up for his team like he does. Off the top of my head I can not. He holds the record for being ejected mainly for the reason of taking up for his players and protecting his players. Bobby Cox is the manager that I would want to go to war with me. Because I know he will have my back. His skill of managing people is first rate and thats why I feel like he is still a top manager. I know some will disagree with me but I believe managing personalities is just as important as managing in the game. I could be wrong but thats just my opinion.
By prattvillenolzfan
August 1, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
Renegator
Yes I was referring to Bowden (the Nolzfan in my nickname)…
It’s been extremely tough being BOTH a Noles fan and a Braves fan the last couple of years….Maybe one day it will change, but as long as both Bobby’s stay, it’s only going to get worse
Tomahawk Matt PLEASE show me some “bad moves” Bobby Cox has made this year. Given the options he’s had
No one is second guessing the roster he’s had, he has no control over that…
There are however 3 things which he controls on a daily basis. 1. The line-up/batting order 2. The pitching decisions during the game….
Yes Matt, Managers are always going to be second guessed…(something I will never do is complain/2nd guess after a win).
However, there have been MANY decisions made this year pertaining to the above mentioned #1/#2 that raises doubt about whether or not Cox still has it….
Cox does NOT deserve to stay here as long as he wants just because of what he’s done in the past….
Read Renegators 4:36 post, he is right on about JoePa, and the two Bobby’s…..(Yes I’m agreeing w/a Gator about football….)
By Sheep
August 1, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
Baaaaaaaaabbeeeeeee Coxxxxxxxx is Goddddd and doooonnnn’ttttt uuuuuuu forgeeeetttt iiittttt!
By FEAR
August 1, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
DO NOT DISGRACE THE NAME OD RAPHAEL BELLIARD YOU B*******, SPOTTS!!
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
What? No one liners? Where’s the fun in that? You miss a lot of fun that way, like “Corky MIller is not only NOT hitting his body weight, but isn’t even hitting his body temperature.”
Corky is hitting higher than Tex’s body temperature though. Tex was coldblooded.
By Chop Chop
August 1, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
Corky Miller uses a special Rawlings WN-090 model bat:
The WN-090 stands for “Wet Newspaper .090.”
By JC FROM UT
August 1, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
I read that the Twins may DFA Craig Monroe. Would he be worth a giving a chance to be the right handed hitter this team so desperately needs or is that being too desperate?
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
Take a look at this link of the comparison between chipper’s season, and his mvp year in 1999.
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
Yay for Sammons in the starting lineup.. its a new era!
By Scott S.
August 1, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
We will never know if Sammons can hit at the MLB level unless we let him try. We already know that Corky is an all catch no hit player!!
By DHD
August 1, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
That stupid Bobby Cox…blah blah. Is that the most intelligent thing some of you can come up with??? The same people that say we ought to trade Mike Hampton???? Come on, people. Why even be baseball fans when you have no clue? Do something else.
By Renegator
August 1, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
Tomahawk Matt
How about these examples:
Batting KJ at leadoff instead of Blanco for way too long when it was obvious that Blanco was better suited for lead off
Batting Francouer 6th (still is) when he is statistically the worst hitter on this team (other than Miller)
Having Corky Miller on this team
Not stealing any bases at all this year (Tex already has more stolen bases with the Angles than he did in his whole tenure with the Braves)
Running Boyer, Ring, et al out there night in and night out when it’s obvious they don’t have it
Not forcing his players to learn how to bunt properly.
Burning up his bullpen every year with those stupid righty/lefty matchups. Name one other team that uses 3 different pitchers in one inning.
Using his “closer” in a 9 run game for no reason
Dude I could go on and on. Bobby is terrible at managing a bullpen and putting a line-up together. He is great at many things - but he is terrible at in-game strategy.
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this
Speaking of new era:
Pirates are undefeated and have yet to allow a run in the post-Jason Bay era!
By prattvillenolzfan
August 1, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
Tomahawk Matt…
Let’s just say we agree to disagree..
I can’t stay and argue, got a dinner appointment I’ve got to go to…
I understand your position, there are many who feels that JoePa, Bowden, and Cox have “earned” the right to stay. I can’t change your mind, nor do I want to…
What I do find childish is your attempt to blatantly discredit those who do disagree with your opinion….Calling us unknowledgable, idiots, jerks, whatever…
If it makes you feel more of a man to personally attack one who disagrees with you, then knock yourself out….
I’m not one of these stats freak that doesn’t dissect statistics, but I can give many general examples, over use of the bullpen, Corky, Franceour continually hitting 5/6 when he was slumping*
Once again, I’m not bashing Cox, he is/was the face of the Braves for a long time. He has justifiably earned the respect of his peers.
One last thing thing, I’m not one of these people who bases Cox because of only the one championship….I would rather get there 15 years in a row and only win one, than to get to the playoffs once every 5/7 years and then win it….
Cox has deserved every kudo he has earned…..However…..you can’t rest on laurels….
By Ed Glennon
August 1, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
TRADE UPDATE: Bill Bavasi has just called in from the employment office and has offered two boxes of jockstraps for Corky. He is determined to not let the Braves outsmart him again.
By vic
August 1, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this
DOB, How many letters have you received against Bobby? How many have you posted? * Fair and Balanced!*
By Hoosier Aaron
August 1, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
Tony LaRussa is notorious for “over-managing” his pitching staff. So that is one team that will use 3 pitchers in one inning.
I agree that we do not try to steal any bases…that drives me nuts.
However, my only true problem with Bobby Cox is that he doesn’t manage any differently in the playoffs than in the regular season. I heard Joe Torre say about managing in the playoffs, “I’ll worry about tomorrow..tomorrow. I’ll do whatever it takes to win today.”
To his credit, Bobby didn’t “over-use” our pitchers in the playoffs…like many managers. The downside is 1 WS in 14 tries.
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
Corky playing for the Braves concerns me. Does that mean Richard Simmons could end up at defensive end for the Falcons?
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
Ed, I’m afraid ole Bill would be outsmarted on that deal also.
By Wayne in Utah
August 1, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
Hello Braves Fans! Let’s hope for a good game tonight from Chuckie, and that Casey K gets the “jitters” out and picks up a couple of hits.
Go get em Sammons.
Let’s hope Manny falls on his frickin face. If the Dodgers start Ethier, Kemp and Manny, then they will have over $27 million dollars in back-up outfielders …. PRICELESS
By DAP
August 1, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Shamus Thacker great news on your mom. thanx for keeping us updated.
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
1-box of recycled condoms would be too much for Corky.
By jmart1951
August 1, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
DOB, Would you let me know if I missed anything on David Myler’s letter. I just read the first twenty words.
By The Scatman
August 1, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this
Cox has deserved every kudo he has earned…..However…..you can’t rest on laurels…
True. Bobby Cox CANNOT rest on his “laurels” due to doctors orders. They are swollen and bloody.
By roja
August 1, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this
Bad moves Bobby Cox has made given the options he has? OK Letting Ohman sit on his a55 in the bullpen while sending Blaine Boyer in game after game to singlehandedly lose 6 games and Acosta to blow leads and lose 5 all on his own. Insisting on starting Jo Jo after he proved he couldn’t cut it while losing 9 games. Letting Tavarez pitch at all. Pencilling Corky’s name into a line-up. Giving Francouer over half a season of not hitting before sending him down. Just to name a few.
By Infante
August 1, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
I’m not a major league manager but come spring training, if Omar Infante does not get a shot to unseat Kelly at second base, then I will join the chorus of people calling Bobby an idiot. Kelly is streaky, and will continue to be steaky. Unfortunately, his hot streaks never last very long. Infante can play second, has proven he can hit and seems not to suffer from any lack of confidence. When Kelly is struggling, he looks like a whipped pup when he takes strike three and heads back to the dugout.
Infante is not Wilson B. before anyone throws out the “he’s not an everyday player” card. He’s been playing virtually every day and hasn’t slowed up. Kelly has had plenty of shots to show he can be a consistent major league hitter and quite frankly, he hasn’t shown it.
I was glad to see that Wren said in so many words that very few players on this team are untouchable. It’s encouraging to see that he may recognize that some of the Baby Braves the press and management dubbed superstars in the making, are actually not going to develop into anything other than average to below average MLB players.
By bruce
August 1, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
McFann:
Please allow me to ask you a question that was probably debated significantly on the blog but I did not read much more than David’s remarks so I probably missed it. I ask you because I value your opinion and suspect that you read every remark available in many places on the incident.
How can Victorino’s hit be considered clean when he leads with his helmet?
I’ve read Brian, Bobby, others and Victorino himself say positive things, calling it clean. I just do not see it.
Here’s my logic to call it dirty: If Victorino was running the bases without a batting helmet, (it happens they do fall off) he would not have lead with his head into a catcher. Therefore, I assert that Victorino intentionally used his helmet as a weapon. Now where it actually hit was not as “plannable” because they are moving in different directions at the last moment, so I would not go so far as to assert that he tried to hit Brian between chest protector pads and mask, but… I would call it dirty.
If I was pitching, I would have hit Victorino in the butt in the next at bat and then gone to the dugout and gotten my hi-fives. If he had not stayed around to check on McCann, I would have hit him with a hard breaking pitch in upper body/arms area.
That dirty play caused the Braves far more loss since and maybe (hopefully not) going forward than any time missed by any subsequent pitcher, in my opinion.
However, I take Brian’s and Bobby’s remarks as their being gracious maybe only because Victorino hung around and was concerned rather than jogging into the dugout to get fist-bumps for scoring on aggressive play.
What is your take?
Thanks, Bruce
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
Thanks DAP, I sincerely appreciate it.
By jmart1951
August 1, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this
I have a Pittsburgh Pirate fan as a friend. He says that the Pittsburgh papers are saying that because of yesterday’s activity they had to designate Duffy for assignment, taking him off of the 40 man roster. I know that the Braves tried to get Duffy on a couple of occassions. Do you think that we will try to trade for him now, over the next 10 days? I know that he has been hurt but if healthy might be a better centerfielder than Blanco.
By Dan
August 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
Start Sammons tonite and every nite until McCann returns. Keep Corky as a back-up and pray that he never gets another at-bat and cut him the second McCann is ready to return. Corky needs to find a new line of work!!!! He has been a disater!!!!!!!!!
By Kentavo
August 1, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
Renegator, I totally agree with your 5:14 post.
I can’t believe Sammons is catching tonight. I figured ol’ Booby would stick the Corkster right back in there.
By keef1234
August 1, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
aren’t we glad JS didn’t pay long term $ 18 mill contract for a 290 pound CF batting .127 for the Dodgers??
By Bill
August 1, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
Where does the Braves go for RH left fielder. They need someone for 1 or 2 yrs. until someone down on the farm is ready. They don’t need to tie up a big contract. They should go after a big time starter this winter. It all starts with the pitching.
By Bama
August 1, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
Waivers are private but I read on espn.com that the Braves had 95% of their team on waivers in case someone wants to trade and players must pass waivers before traded. If claimed they can recall them. Also other teams do the same thing. Maybe we still will get a big bat are pitcher. Oswalt said he would still ok trade to Braves if Astors want to trade him.
By T'ville Dawg
August 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this
With Sammons the backup may at least get a hit. With Miller it’s pointless.
By spotts
August 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
Whew, someone’s mad…you’d probably disgrace him less if you spelled his name right, though (with an F).
I love Raf…great defense, not so good with a bat. I remember when he hit his second homer…he threw his arms up, everyone came out to congratulate him, and Chipper was half dressed because he came from the locker room.
On another note…I miss the days when we put in young guys to get experience because we had already clinched the division. Not because we’d given up.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
Mac’s been cleared for emergency catching duty tonight, which tells me Corky could be the roster move. Haven’t heard that yet, but just got a feeling.
By Chris
August 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this
to the person who suggested that we could trade to get Andruw back - you are a fool. you have to hit your weight to be in the pros, which is why Andruw Jones and Corky Miller will both being playing their ball on the playstation next season and not in real life.
By bravos2249
August 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this
WOW the Twins released Livan Hernandez…..he wasn’t too hot but has won 10 games….this may be a mistake for them cause they now have 5 young guys starting.
By Wayne in Utah
August 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this
Bama I think that waiver move is fairly standard with a lot of teams and players, to see what kind of flexibility they would have in trades. Remember a few years ago, AJ got upset when he was told he was put on waivers.
Oswalt has in decline lately. Is he hurt, or just depressed to be toiling in Houston? Would we be able to come up with a package good enough to pry away a guy like Halladay from Toronto? How bout Halladay and Rios?
jmart1951 Duffy was an up and comer a few years ago, but had a bit of a “head case” when sent down. He had off-season shoulder surgery. I haven’t heard anything about how his arm is doing. He was a good base stealer, with a decent average, and was also a pretty good defensive CF’er. I remember reading a Pirate scouting report about two years ago that said he was superior to McLouth in covering centerfield.
He might be worth a flier if his arm is healthy.
Bill How about Spilborghs, Joe Mather, Ryan Ludwick, Casey Blake, Juan Rivera, Josh Willingham, Matt Murton, or Eric Byrnes (sorry McFann). Those are possible right-handed outfielders, that might be available.
I like our matchup with STL. They have Rasmus, Ankiel, Duncan, Ludwick, Mather, Schumaker and a couple of other outfielders that are either doing well or on the cusp.
Personally, I would love to see us pick up a guy like Spilborghs. He is a bit older (29) and his splits away from Coors Field are pretty good.
By AdirondackDave
August 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this
TJ — That was a good one about Andruw driving Manny from the airport.
By bravos2249
August 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this
Mac’s been cleared for emergency catching duty tonight, which tells me Corky could be the roster move. Haven’t heard that yet, but just got a feeling.
I think so….they wouldn’t clear him for emergency catching if not…atleast I would think….
By spotts
August 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this
Shamus - kudos on the Richard Simmons bit. Still laughing.
By semiballcoach
August 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this
corky’s next job—calling bingo numbers—his batting average will be the winning number
By spotts
August 1, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Since McCann’s back we can still trade Corky…but he’d have to clear waivers first.
Oh right, it’s Corky Miller. He’d only get claimed if a team needed a janitor.
By BravesFanChris23
August 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this
DOB
With the waiver deadline this month, what are the chances Braves will do any sort of move?
By BravesFanChris23
August 1, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
Its official, Corky was DFA’ed. Glad Sammons is getting a chance.
By Petermsp
August 1, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this
No Bobby Cox? Maybe no Chipper Jones or John Smoltz, Steve Avery. Who knows how another GM would have handled those situations?
Would guys who were free agents have taken less money to come and play in Atlanta? Would as many guys with limited no trade clauses in their contracts have included Atlanta as a destination.
Does anyone here remember how ATROCIOUS the Braves were before Bobby Cox? Actually that’s being kind.
The Braves have been the most successful Atlanta franchise without him and you guys want to run him out of town?
Worst sports fans in America.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this
I mistakenly posted on the other blog instead of this one that Corky was being designated for assignment. But I see someone was all over already.
Sammons will start all three games in this series, or at least that’s the plan. McCann can pinch-hit and catch in an emergency, then is expected to resume his regular duties Monday.
By TimeForChange
August 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this
I hope they release Corky. I am so sick of watching him try to play baseball. I think Corky should thank us. Nobody else in the majors wanted him. Thats why Atlanta has had him for two years. Hes the underdog. Wolf Wolf.
By Libertarian
August 1, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
Roja, You wrote: here is one of the most eloquent positions ever expoused by the leader of the free world: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. Those were 17 words that changed the world.
Those words didn’t change the world. Only a brain-washed person would listen to and believe in such tripe. Government exists to serve the citizens of the nation. At least that is how this nation was founded. But the socialist liberals are slowly but surely turning that around.
By grandpa
August 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this
The “Corkster” may be a hoot in the clubhouse and on the bench but coming to the plate with bat in hand is akin to a lion hunter going out with a BB gun. Let Sammie play
By ADC
August 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this
How long before we see Sammons’ Salmons?
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the news on McCann, Chief!
Bruce—
I definitely didn’t like the play—obviously the outcome had some effect on how I feel.
But I still don’t see how it was “clean”…they’re not playing football. Seems to me there’s a better way to “jar the ball loose” then to go helmet first into the catcher’s head—that could jar a lot more things loose then just the ball.
Both Brian and Bobby said it was “clean”, but you know them—they (especially Bobby) never say anything really mean about anybody (except Darren Erstad, but his play was beyond dirty).
Somebody on here said they were “fine with the play”. Huh! I sure ain’t fine with it.
I’m glad Victorino showed some class and hung around to make sure McCann was OK (and Shane was standing there hyperventilating). Rollins stuck around, too. I gotta hand it to them for that.
But it obviously cost the Braves big time. I’m hoping McCann won’t suffer too many after-effects when he makes his return. It seems to me that the Braves are handling this in the right way.
But I still keep picturing him behind the plate in his first game back, and the batter fouls one back off his mask, or he gets hit with a back-swing…Call me paranoid.
Since Sammons is sticking around, cann he get his own style of gear?
Wayne—
Eric Byrnes?
By kirknga
August 1, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this
Thank goodness! I’m sure Corky is a great guy, but he was inept offensively.
I still say the Braves made a mistake releasing Pena.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this
Someone’s post about waivers this month reminded me I meant to have that in the blog today, but forgot to write it because I ran out of time.
Anyway, gist of what I was going to say is, can we please not have everyone completely overreact (as happened with the Andruw situation a couple years ago) when they hear that Chipper, Francoeur, Kelly J., etc, were put on waivers, as we almost certainly will hear leaked in coming weeks. Because as many of us pointed out back then, it’s standard procedure with many clubs to put virtually their entire roster on waivers after the deadline period, just to gauge interest, etc, since there’s absolutely no risk involved (you can pull a guy back if claimed, if you want to pull him back; or you can try to work out a trade with the claiming team; or you can simply let the claiming team have him).
By Marc
August 1, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Was Corky a good clubhouse guy, well liked by other players? I’ve always noticed him interacting positively with other players. Obviously a roster spot could no longer be justified for him, but I’m just wondering…
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this
BravesFan, I think there’s a good chance Kotsay will be moved in a waiver trade.
By Couch Tater
August 1, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this
RE 6:40
Let the French frying begin!
By ArkyTech
August 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
Hope Corky can clear waivers……
By Jeff321
August 1, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this
WOOOO HOOOO!!!!
Good riddance to Corky Miller!
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this
I also do agree on Manny/Bay trade. As most of you have said, it is a win win situation. The difference is that the Dodgers win at the present and Pirates and Redsox win in the future. Thats all.
Any thought on who should the Braves go get as their ace???
SHEETS, LACKEY, GARLAND, DEMPSTER, PEREZ, SABATHIA, BURNETT???
By TennesseePaul
August 1, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this
Better late than never I suppose. Corky is DFA’d. Bout time. But, as happy as I am for Sammons having a big night tonight, I’m not sure why McCann’s been relegated to the back up role. j/k
By Pete H.
August 1, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this
Jeez, get a grip. Corky is the 25th player and he won’t be around next year. Pena was a poor defensive player (with the catching situation as bad as it is, he has about 20 pinch hit appearances with the Royals) and we got no offers for him.
Sammons is clearly a superior player, but the Braves looked at sitting on the bench for 150 games as a poor way to develop a young catcher. And they were right. It ain’t like his hitting is so great that he should be the primary pinch hitter off the bench or something.
Corky has had zero impact on this team, apart from letting Heap get a breather every now and then. He’s been even worse than advertised, but he’s had 54 at-bats this year. Who freaking cares?
I’d prefer to talk about Jason Heyward and Tommy Hanson being named to Baseball America’s all-minor league All Star team. Arguing about the 25th guy (like we did last year about Woodward) is just silly. Every team has a Corky Miller type lurking around.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this
Mike Lowell hitting cleanup ahead of Bay…….just saying.
By StingerSplash/Casey Kasem
August 1, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this
Most surprising revelation in today’s blog … That DOB actually goes to the office.
Other than a staff meeting or the Christmas party, I would figure you could do all you ever needed to do by cell phone, laptop and face to face at the various stadia, without having to fight for a parking spot near 72 Marietta St.
By Dream ON
August 1, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this
Dream on fans. The new money grubbing owners of the Braves ARE NOT going to spend millions on big name free agents. They proved that this past off season. Who’d we get, oh right, Tom Glavine. All 42 years old of him and his ONE BIG WIN all season. The most the Braves will do is pick up middle of the road or journeymen type players to fill spots. That is special to the Braves now days, filling spots. I.E. Corkless Miller, who could not hit .200 in slow pitch softball. Dream on if you think the Braves will throw millions upon millions at Lackey, Garland, Dempster, CC, etc. DREAM the you know what, ON! It ain’t gonna happen. NO matter what Clarence Moore might tell you.
By StingerSplash
August 1, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
Most surprising revelation in today’s blog … That DOB actually goes to the office.
Other than a staff meeting or the Christmas party, I would figure you could do all you ever needed to do by cell phone, laptop and face to face at the various stadia, without having to fight for a parking spot near 72 Marietta St. on a regular basis. So when you walk in, do they ask for your ID?
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
10Paul I’m not sure why McCann’s been relegated to the back up role. j/k
Yeah, you bet you’re “j/k”!
; )
By Shaun
August 1, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
Doc, right. Again, no one has denied Manny is the better hitter. What we’ve been arguing about is who is the better player.
By fieldofdreams
August 1, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this
Sammonofknowledge: Great post! DAP: Chipper extends his career, for sure, if he finishes his fantastic career as an AL DH. Instead of playing he can practice yoga stretches in the clubhouse. No shame or disloyalty on the part of either the Braves or Chipper when it happens. Not only that, it’s time for a New-Wave of Braves to assume leadership of the team. Considered dispassionately, trading Chipper now, before he breaks down for good, is in the Braves’ best interest. Seasons change, dude.
By ncscoots
August 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this
Libertarian, you can stuff that political tripe in a sock. Politics don’t go ‘round here, savvy? One of only a few verboten subjects on the Braves/MIB, but there it is.
now, baseball…let’s keep a list of all the touted replacements for Kelly Johnson (more like .270/.360/.450, Bobby’s C; I know he’s had an off year, but he’s not that far off). I understand the Prado tout. Kinda. And now I see the Infante hat thrown in the ring…a player who’s been great at what he does best: fill in. He’s hitting 40 points above his career. Somebody thinks he’ll do that over 500 AB? Uh, no. 2004, 500 AB, .264 BA. Let’s not go crazy here.
Believe me, I understand why some folks might be down on Johnson. He took a step back this year, when (as it turned out) the team needed him to take a big step forward. Bad timing on his part. But the likes of Prado, Infante, Lillibridge…that’s no upgrade.
The upgrade is KJ taking the next step up, and unleashing the offensive talent he has. If he does that (and I know that’s still TBD), no one so far mentioned on this blog should be getting his playing time.
That being said, he’ll probably be one of the more attractive trading pieces for the Braves this offseason. Don’t think that could be said for the names mentioned as his possible replacement.
By Chuck The Slinger
August 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this
Chuckie the Slinger on the mound tonight. It’s no big deal. Under the circumstances, I really wouldn’t care if they let the bat boy throw an inning.
Unless Chuckie has completely changed his pitching motion, he ain’t never gonna be more than meat for most major league teams. (How can you throw a pitch with decent velocity when your pitching hand is moving backward as soon as you release the ball?) My only fear is that he may throw a couple of decent games to an overly agressive team of hitters and give the Braves the false impression that he can be counted on next year to fill a roster slot.
By Wayne in Utah
August 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this
Doc Holliday I think you might be barking up the wrong tree for a starting pitcher. I really will be surprised if the Braves actually sign any of the names you mentioned.
Look more toward a trade. What would it take to pry Halliday or Oswalt from their respective teams?
Halladay for Gorkys, Escobar, JoJo, Diaz, and a couple of pitching prospects?? The Blue Jays need infield help, outfield help, and a lefty starter. (no jokes about Hampton, please!)
Oswalt for Gorkys, Escobar, Morton and a couple of prospects??
Am I being fair in my offerings?
By Greg in TN
August 1, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this
Evening denizens…
Will the Corkster be shipped out for the Chuckster? Maybe so. Lots of preoccupation with the Corkster by the masses in 2008, but we certainly had more problems to overcome even if we had cloned BMac to be a backup to himself.
Still, it was mighty fine seeing a good night from the Clintster (might as well stick to the theme, right?). I agree with Gil, the Clintster wouldn’t have been that much of an upgrade if he hadn’t had the time in Richmond to learn more about handling pitchers and calling games.
And so the audition begins for Chuck James for a spot in the rotation for next year. Between now and the end of spring ‘09, we’ll see how Chuck responds to his opportunity. We have to start figuring out who will join JJJ and Campillo in the rotation next year. While I suspect we’ll be active in the free agent and/or trade market over the winter to put a starting staff back together, we’re still going to have to rely on someone that has pitched for us this year to step in also. Now, whether it be Morton, James, Reyes, Hampton, Glavine or even someone off the radar out on the farm right now, nobody knows.
I really like the fact we kept Ohman and I hope serious consideration is given to keeping him past this year. I also believe the likelihood of getting a better haul for Tex by waiting was infinitesimal. Just not a whole lot of need out there at first base among the contenders. Not sure if the Angels had a time frame on their offer or not, but the waiting game has backfired on many GMs before, so I can’t fault Wren for making the move when he did.
Time for baseball at 755 Hank Aaron Drive against the Lads of Lager.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this
It is still unbelievably stooppiidd that the Braves waited until they had the spade through their hearts to cut Corky……..why ????? Thats the only question to it.
What a standing O Jason Bay just got in his 1st AB. If you didnt know, he was been applauded for winning the MVP in last years WS. He got a walk after that.
In other stadiums, TEX hit his usual routine fly ball to LF.
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this
Thank God Corky is DFA’d. Maybe Bobby finally figured out that Corky was absolutely awful.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
Bay has already scored in his 1st AB as a Redsox.
By Jeff321
August 1, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this
Corky has had zero impact on this team, apart from letting Heap get a breather every now and then.
No need to fabricate! Corky threw the ball into left field when Pujols stole third on him. (Who I might add came home to roost which made the score 3-2 in the Cardinals favor!)
Oh and what about when Corky’s helmet flew off and interfered with his throw to first base a while back?
And lets not forget about the pass balls either.
Some defensive specialist, eh?
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this
Same old Chuck….2 on nobody out.
What an strange game baseball is………..Cubs sweep Brewers on the road, beat Sheets and Sabathia to start the series. Then come back home and lose to the Pirates.
By ncgary
August 1, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this
i cant even remember a braves game i watched as an adult where i thought bobby cox managed a perfect game, theres always at least one thing i would like to see done differently, that being said, i hope i get to disagree with his managing decisions another 5 years at least.
By Greg in TN
August 1, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this
Cue inauspicious start for the Chuckster.
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this
I don’t see any improvements by James.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
I said it before……….I´ll say it again………trade James now. It doesnt matter what we get for him.
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this
braveheart,
i was about to put the over under on braun hitting a dinger at 1.5, he just missed there.
i really believe chuck believes he cant here.
you cant be a fly ball pitcher without the strikeout pitch.
By Greg in TN
August 1, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this
And as luck would have it, Chip was saying the same thing as I was posting it. We did fall into a vat of good fortune with Fielder’s little foul flare that Infante handled and by getting out of that first inning with only two on the board.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah
Fair enough………I wouldnt be afraid to send Escobar if one of those 2 were coming to atlanta. But how do you fill the gap at SS? Lillybridge??? Infante? Prado? Those are good options. I like Lilly considering he could bat 8th and his glove is A+++
By Coach (FIRE BOBBY COX !!!!)
August 1, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this
Why Corky Miller? Because Cox is an I-D-I-O-T!
Why Jeff Francouer, Because Cox is D-E-M-E-N-T-E-D.
Why wait 77 games to put Gregor Blanco in the lead off hole, Because Cox is in love with the HR and he does not know how to manage little ball.
Why Cuck James on the mound tonight, BECAUSE COX IS AN ABSOLUTE M-O-R-O-N.
Why are the Braves doomed in 2009? Duh ! You already know the answer to that question.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this
Tomas
If you stay put, youll soon read some post from some key regulars saying saying he must be hurt, and his arm is not 100%. Yeah right, keep dreaming, he is another Horacio Ramirez or Kyle Davies, just pick you weapon.
By ncgary
August 1, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this
doc if i couldnt rape the padres for peavey, id focus on sheets first, then either sabathia or lackey , looks like we need 2 aces now to have a real shot mext year. actually if it was a dream list i think i go for volquez from the reds , no chance of this but probably the best of the bunch
By Coach (FIRE BOBBY COX !!!!)
August 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this
See what I mean !!!! The umpire completely blows the damn call on Yunel Escobar and Cox sits on his fat butt. Any manager worth his salt would be out there giving the ump the what for. I guess Cox is to busy digging for gold in his left nostril.
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this
Escobar was safe. Bobby is making the right moves, DFA’D Corky, and at least trying to steal bases.
By Lawrence
August 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this
Yes this blog has some of the most stupid uninformed imbeciles in America attemping to make sensible statements about something they know absolutly about.You people should be ashamed of yourselves.This team has given this city plenty to be proud of in the last twenty years.Except for the last 3 years the Braves won every year for this town.And they won some years when they maybe they should’nt have.Bobby Cox is a Hall of Famer and its because he is a winner.He knows how to manage men and mold them into winners.He has been the best thing that ever happend to the Atlanta Braves.His hiring along with John Shurholtz made the Braves the best team in baseball for years.Yet all we see is you idiots out there wanting Bobby replaced.Frank Wren has only been on the job less than 2 years.The man has tried to improve the team and in time the improvements will come.Players like Salty,Brayan Pena,Tony Pena,and others that had no chance to play here have been given chances to play elsewhere in the majors.Stats show that these were good moves.Some of the other names in the Tex deal may turn out to be good major league players but,you don’t acquire proven players like Tex for nothing.And they received decent compensation in return for Tex in the recent trade.The bashing of Corky Miller is uncalled for also.The team has always carried a veteran type catcher to play backup.They know how to handle the pitchers and it keeps promosing prospects from sitting on the bench.Javier Lopez may have been a better choice but the Braves chose Millers defensive ability over Javy.They were right,Corky is a better catcher with Lopez being the better hitter.The team has only won 1 World Series but thats okay.I have been a fan of this team since they moved to Atlanta and i’m very satisfied with what Cox and the team has accomplished in the last 17/18 years.I was there when names like Aaron,Torre,Horner and Murphy were on teams winning 65 to 70 games a year.I’m proud of the Atlanta Braves and what they have been for years in this town.What i’m not proud of is all the negetive flak they are getting from all you ignorant jerks on these blogs.
By duh
August 1, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this
What the Braves used to have but no longer have is speed. Here are examples of past year totals:
Gant 33,34,32,26 A. Jones 20,27,24,21,11 C. Jones 14,20,16,25,14 Nixon 72,41,47 Deion 11,26,19,19 Lofton 27 (year before and after Braves stint -75,54) Grissom 29,28 Furcal 40,22,27,25,29,46
We have guys hit for average or power but there is no speed and Cox doesn’t want to steal bases anymore. It puts way too much pressure on the hitters to try to drive someone in from first without speed. Get a freaking leadoff man before you do anything else.
By Wayne in Utah
August 1, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this
Why isn’t it more clear to the denizens? Sammons needed the year in AAA to improve. If he had come up earlier, who knows if he might have retarded his growth as a potential ML Catcher???
And I think I have heard Brayan Pena’s name enough. Let’s give it a rest.
Corky is gone. Long live Corky.
The season is lost. Qwitcherbitchin folks!
McFann What is the story on Byrnes? I must have been absent during that period of time.
By kirknga
August 1, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this
Good job by Escobar in not overreacting to that incorrect call on the steal. He’s learning folks.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this
Braves are not going anywhere if they just cant over the failures of players like JF and James.
They act like if they were obsessed kids after their exgirlfriend. Man, if he cant, he cant, he is not the last pitcher on earth. Let him go, he is not becoming what you expected. 3 seasons of patience is enough. Enough excuses. Trade him before you get nothing but bats and balls for him.
By BravesFanInRockies
August 1, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this
Wayne,
You think they’d trade for a proven top of the rotation starter? That would be a change.
Then again the deal for Jurrjens was very unSchuerholz-like. He rarely bought prospects, even ones in the high minors. Usually sold those guys.
By JeanE
August 1, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this
Karl Rove is spelled with a K not a C so if you’re going to vent using someone’s name get the spelling right or you just look like an idiot. Corky gets a bum rap in my opinion—-he hardly ever gets to play or when he does, he’s crucified b/c he can’t get a hit in his few at bats. But I’ve seen him make some fine defensive plays and throw out baserunners which is what they wanted in a backup catcher. So give Corky a break!! If they wanted another bat off the bench , they shouldn’ve gotten one! Go Corkster!!
By BravesFanInRockies
August 1, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
Yeah Coach, Yunel showed the value of little ball.
In fact, until Chipper and Heap return, the Braves are going to be playing a lot of little ball. Hope you enjoy it.
By Chop Chop
August 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
I see improvement from Chuck.
He’s given up three runs without allowing a homer.
Kinda like taking baby steps on shards of broken glass, ain’t it?
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
Has anybody noticed any difference between James and Hampton? I have.
I know Brewers are a good hitting team, but they are not that good.
Please send James in the same bus with Corky. Pick up the phone today and trade him for some good A or AA player…….even a reliever would do.
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
Chuck had a better second inning, but he is pitching up in the strike zone and getting hit har because of it.
By lexbrave
August 1, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
i might feel a bit better about the tex trade if kotchman would just get a hit eventually..0-10 with 8 runners left on so far…sigh
By Chuck The Slinger
August 1, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
Is it a surprise that a guy who doesn’t finish his motion and slings the ball has problems leaving the ball up?
You’ll get killed throwing 89 mph fastballs and hanging breakers at the letters to mlb players.
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this
Hey! Kotchman got a hit!
Frank Wren is a genius!
: >
By Wayne in Utah
August 1, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this
Doc H Gotta run. I will check back in later for your response.
I think to get the kind of starter we would all love to have will cost us a major piece. I don’t think we get away with one of those Schafer/Hanson, etc type offers.
The people we have that others covet (that MIGHT be available) are Escobar, KJ, and Francoeur. Escobar is the cream of the crop.
If we had to deal him, it would hurt. Question is, does the Braves brain-trust think Lillibridge would be a suitable replacement. Defensively, you are spot on. I think we could survive if others picked up the offensive slack.
Same thing with KJ. Hard to move him to LF, cause he aint no thumper. So, if he goes in a deal for a thumper or top pitcher, then we have guys like Infante and Infante (maybe Lilly) to replace him.
In addition to all these needs, I really can’t stress enough that we need someone to cover the corners (a lot like Infante is doing this year), especially if Infante’s role changes.
Whaddya think?
By lexbrave
August 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this
no sooner than i hit post he got his first with a blooper..nice
By BravesFanInRockies
August 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this
I understand, Coach. It’s Bobby’s fault the umpire missed the call. All righty, then.
By Cityofdecatur
August 1, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
Go Corky and take James with you! as long as we are piling on corkless openning night. we had just scored 5 in the ninth to tie it comes up with men on in extras magic in the air and miller well miller gave us a preview. pop up end of game no magic it was miller time! (sorry corky enjoy richmond
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this
Wayne—
I’ve just never liked the guy. He bugs me…It’s the way he waves his arms all over the place when he makes contact with the ball…it’s like he wants to fly away or something…
It’s just something about his behavior…I don’t know. Believe me, it goes beyond May 20, 2006…That’s only the half of it!
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this
Wayne
Fair enough again……….about the time in the minors to get ready for MLB. Some frustration in my question I suppose.
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
Bobby tried a hit and run, good aggresive baseball. He’s probobally reading my comments.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this
Was Infante acquired in the same trade that got Jair here? Or how did he got here?
By Jeff321
August 1, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this
His hiring along with John Shurholtz made the Braves the best team in baseball for years.
Ummm, isn’t the team that wins the World Series considered the “best” ? And seeing that Cox has one, I’d say they were only the best ONCE. So, stop with the propaganda.
On a side note, I hear the Braves have a sparkling clean locker room. Maybe Cox can get a “good housekeeping” award? Because ya don’t get any World Series rings for that!
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this
That ball was OBLITERATED by that vegetarian beast.
By BravesFanInRockies
August 1, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
Doc,
Infante came along with Ohman in the trade for Ascanio.
Another sweet deal, I must say.
By Murphy
August 1, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
Yup. Welcome back Chuck James. Glad to see nothing has changed.
By Jerald Holcombe
August 1, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
We got 2 out of the box. 4 out of the box. 3 out of the box. 7 out of the box.
Chuck, my boy, you suck!
By StingerSplash
August 1, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this
Looks like this Chuck James experiment is going as well as the last one.
By Jeff321
August 1, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this
So, instead of Cox yanking James when it was 4-0.. We’re now down 6-0. Now tell me Bobby Cox defenders.. Which is easier to come back from? Ah, and he’s still pitching.
By cabravesfan
August 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
Doc Holliday I believe Infante came from the Cubs with Will Ohman…
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
Welcome back chuck. Go back and learn to pitch.
By Yeah Lawrence!
August 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
Yeah Lawrence, it makes sense to carry a backup catcher with absolutely NO bat on a team who has struggled offensively all year long.
Yep, as you said, some people who post here are stupid, uninformed imbiciles!
Thanks for posting, Lawrence!
By BravesFanInRockies
August 1, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
The Return of Chuckie … not promising.
By Jake
August 1, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
I Don’t know which one is better, Jojo or Chuck. I’ve seen flashes of brilliance from Jojo, but just flashes. Its kind of all or nothing for Jojo. I don’t think Chuck has enough pitches for the big leagues. I think Jojo has the brighter future at this point. He has more pitches and if he could just get some confidence in himself like you see with JJ he could actually be a good .
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this
Oy. So much for Chuck’s promising strides at Richmond.
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
ugabrave, you’re right about Chuck. He doesn’t believe he belongs anymore. he’d better start believing in himself because we’re at the point where no one believes in him anymore.
By Tony Austin
August 1, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
It only took 3 innings before the gopher balls. He could not have possibly been the best choice to call up, if he was, the future is bleak.
How long does it take for mgmt to learn that certain players just are not ML caliber. If they’d learned this a little earlier in the year, maybe things would be different.
By beki
August 1, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
6 runs down; and, we’ve gotten no runs.Two home runs given up and many flyballs to the edge of the field;yep, it’s the same ol’ CJ. A guy who’ll always be a minor leaguer phenom.
By Chop Chop
August 1, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
Chuck’s baby steps turned into a slow low-crawl on burning, poisonous, flesh-eating foot-long needles before he could get to his cold failure meal waiting for him in the showers.
Meet the new Chuck. Same as the old Chuck.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
Well, at least we got some answers tonight, cant count on James for 2009. Not even as 5th in the rotation, that would mean giving up on about 20 games.
Wayne
I read you are gone by now. Anyway. Id rather see KJ leave than Yunel and I think he has the same value as Yunel, if it is less is not by much, I think he is considered a more patient hitter and has the ability to play in the OF. But if Yunel is to be gone, I think having Infante at SS and Prado giving rest to 2B, SS and 3B we could be just fine. Plus having Lilly might be enough. Kotchman could bat 2nd instead of yunel and we would cover 4th or 5th spot in the lineup with the acquisition to LF.
I still think Braves should let Jeff go, he is not going to be much better………maybe this year will be his worst, but still, he is not going to be you every year 100 RBI type RF. Not in my book.
What about sending JF, JoJo and Lilly for an ACE
By ATLSports10
August 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this
Doc
Infante came with Ohman from the Cubs in exchange for Ascanio.
By Interested Observer
August 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this
Hey Chuckie, I have some windows that need installing. I’ll be home all day tomorrow.
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this
chuck-n-duck……..
so defend this guy now. he wont be in the braves major league camp next spring or anyone elses.
another one of your home grown braves, davies, mcbride, and boyer.
right about now chuck-n-duck is preparing for his next career.
if only he can remember three little words “welcome to walmart.”
By Tomas Ford
August 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this
That Glenn Diamond guy in the Braves production truck seems like a fairly intelligent type. Surprising that he’d think anyone above the 6th grade level would enjoy hearing Bobby yell out his pet nicknames every time the Braves are at bat. I do hope they trashcan that idea next season.
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
Doc—
The Braves got Infante and Ohman from the Cubs for Jose Ascanio! (Is that how you spell it?) Cann you believe that?
Jeff321 On a side note, I hear the Braves have a sparkling clean locker room.
That’s only if you don’t count McCann’s locker.
By geauxbraves2000
August 1, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this
Doc Holliday Infante came over with Ohman from the Cubs, the Braves sent Jose Ascanio to them.
Geaux Braves!!
By jukeandjive
August 1, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this
Well we can scratch Chuck James from the list of potential starters for the spring. That leaves: Jo Jo, C-Mo, Campillo, JJ, Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton (should pay us to pitch), Lerew, and FREE AGENT/ TRADEs!!!!!!
By Chuck The Slinger
August 1, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
Chip Carey sounds flabbergasted that Chuck seemed to have cured his homerun ball problems at Richmond yet he was being teed off on tonight!
Hey Chip….. triple A hitters aren’t major league hitters.
I posted before Chucks first pitch tonight.
I rest my case.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
cabravesfan
Thats why I had in my mind, but when I check in www.baseballreference.com, he has no stats as a Cubs player, only in Detroit. Here is the link:
Omar Infante
Could anybody clear this one. DOB???
By SteelCav
August 1, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
I thought I was watching the Seed of Chucky….nothing but lasers coming of the Brewer Bats. WOW
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
What exactly has Corky been assigned to do? Play baseball?? That’s like assigning a one-legged man to an azz kicking contest.
By Yokohama Daze
August 1, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this
I just checked Gamecast for the score of the Braves game, and apparently Gamecast is channelling a circa 1988 version of my beloved Bravos- ouch!
True story: back in ‘88 I was living on a tiny island in the sea of Japan, and asked my dad to send me a vidoetape of a Braves game (even watching commercials was like an exciting trip home!). Anyway, he sent me a tape, I bought a bunch of beer and snacks, and proceeded to watch an absolutley AWFUL game. Braves lost 8-0, and had almost as many errors as hits. I called my dad and asked, “Why’d you send me such a godawful game, Pop?” and his reply was “Well h*ll, son, if you’d made me wait until we won one, you might not have gotten a tape the rest of this season!”
By tvsportscaster
August 1, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
Jeff321 what the hell difference does it make at this point how long Cox stays with Chucky, it’s not like we’re in a pennant race or something. You might as well see whether Chucky still sucks so you can make a decision for 2009
By Train Wreck Bystander
August 1, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Is it too late to suggest Van Morrison’s “Cleaning Windows” as Chuck James’ walk-on music?
There’s probably not too many chances left to get that request in…
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Chuck has allowed nine homers in 26-2/3 innings this season.
Jurrjens has allowed eight homers in 132-1/3 innings, and Campillo has allowed nine in 101 innings.
By carl
August 1, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Yeah,Lawrence and his 7:55 post shows he’s been binging on the Cox flavored kool-aid….
By SteelCav
August 1, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
Can we DFA “JJ” (Peachtree’s Jeff Johnson) as well? PLEASE
By Greg in TN
August 1, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
So much for the vat of good fortune tonight. The Chuckster gets bit yet again second time through the lineup at the MLB level.
Another single for Clint Sammons.
Found a few interesting little tid bits in the Braves press notes tonight on BMac.
Since the start of the 2006 season (his first full year), McCann’s 62 home runs easily lead all major league catchers.
BMac is the third catcher in the history of the game to compile two 20-or-more home run seasons prior to his 25th birthday. You may know the other two, Johnny Bench (who did it four times according to the press notes), and Gary Carter. Not a bad couple guys to be mentioned with I think.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
Just got to take the positive side of all this situation. Now Braves know James has to be traded. There is no more speculation. Shall we move on?
I just hope Braves dont give another contract to Cox for 2010.
By Couch Tater
August 1, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
Chop Chop @ 8:25
You forgot about the scorpions.
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this
Doc—
The Tigers traded him to the Cubs, and then the Cubs gave him to the Braves.
By TNScott
August 1, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
DOBI guess it goes without saying that the talent level in the International League for hitters ain’t all that. Oops, I said it anyway.
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
So, instead of Cox yanking James when it was 4-0.. We’re now down 6-0. Now tell me Bobby Cox defenders.. Which is easier to come back from? Ah, and he’s still pitching.
Yeah, because burning up relievers when your team is about 10 games under .500 and about 10 games out of first was the way to go.
Let’s Moylan the hell out the bullpen arms in a forfeited season so that all of the relievers end up on the DL next April.
Who gives two craps if they win most of the remaining games?
The rest of the season is about seeing kids show promise, older kids like Frenchy, KJ, and Chucky get their heads out of their a@@es and other guys pretty up their numbers.
It’s more important for the Braves next season for Cox to see how Chuck responds when he is stinking up the joint than to overmanage and yank him in order to salvage a meaningless game in what has been rendered a meaningless season.
Cox did the right thing pitching Chucky tonight and leaving him in as long as he did. We need to know who will be here next year, who can be used and showcased as trade bait and who just needs to stop wasting everyone’s time
By corkyLIKESbeer
August 1, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this
Braves baseball is there anything better?
By kirknga
August 1, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this
I wonder if the Braves would have any interest in the just-released Livan Hernandez?
By Coach (Mark Teixeira in summation)
August 1, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this
This what the Braves received in total:
One full season from Mark Teixeira (thats right, six months, one season), two months from Ron Mahay, Casey Kotchman (1st round pick), Stephen Marek (40th round pick) and Brett DeVall (supplemental 1st round pick).
This what it cost the Braves:
Both the 2007 and 2008 seasons in the tank. Jarrod Saltalamacchia (1st round pick), Beau Jones (1st round pick), Elvis Andrus (amateur free agent), Matt Harrison (3rd round pick), Neftali Feliz (amateur free agent)and two draft picks (1st round and supplemental 1st round pick).
In my not so humble opinion, the Braves got H-O-S-E-D and I’m talking taken to the damn cleaners. If you think that it doesn’t looks bad right now, wait five years, come back and reread this post. You’ll be thinking that I had some kind of crystal ball.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this
kirknga
Im sure Livan would do better than James.
By geauxbraves2000
August 1, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
Doc Holliday Omar was traded to the Cubs from the Tigers for Jacque Jones. A few weeks later Omar was sent to the Braves.
Geaux Braves!!
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this
That ball was OBLITERATED by that vegetarian beast.
The vegetarian beast went deep off the vegetable brain.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this
Thanks McFann, very kind.
So he never put a cubbie uniform on…..?
By PatioDaddio
August 1, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this
If Andruw could be had for free, from the Dodgers, would anyone consider him coming back or is he finished? I am not promoting this I am just curious about the answers.
By cabravesfan
August 1, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this
Doc I think McFann beat me to it but Omar was traded to the Cubs from Detroit in November and the Cubs traded him the the Braves in December
By Big Easy
August 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
Doc Holliday, the Cubs had acquired Infante in the offseason. They then trade him to us in the Ohman deal.
the Info on Infante
~E~
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
They’re actually sending Corky to Richmond? For what?
Richmond’s record is terrible as it is. Must be trying to lessen the blow of the R. Braves leaving. After a dose of Corky, they’ll be tarred, feathered, and RUN out of town…
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
Greg in TN—
Yeah, aren’t those great numbers? I read an article about that the day before Victorino clobbered him.
He’s something special, we all know that.
By corkyLIKESbeer
August 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
I wonder who is the biggest drinker on the Braves team?!
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this
TNScott: Yes, true that. The landscape is littered with pitchers (and hitters) who have no problems dipping down to Triple-A and doing quite well, then getting rocked or dominated upon returning to the bigs. Called Quad-A players for a reason. You hate to say Chuck is one, but the longer he struggles at this level….
By the way, I should point out that I don’t agree with much of why our letter-writer cited in the blog opined, at least not the inference to 20-work bloggers and such. If he ready our little daily discourse here he’d know we have some quite literate, insightful and hilarious bloggers (and some idiots, but not nearly as many as most joints like this).
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this
braveheart,
totally agree, these are open auditions.
the rest of the season is a weigh station.
time to fish or cut bait on a couple of these guys.
By J.D.
August 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this
DOB- Was the Corkster a good teammate and a guy generally liked in the clubhouse?
By Chop Chop
August 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this
No, corkyLIKESbeer.
There isn’t anything better than Braves baseball.
I especially like to take my kid to his first game while I’m on a first date to see that 40-foot tall cow do the Chop.
I like to kill three birds with one stone. It works pretty well.
Couch Tater,
Yeah. I forgot about The Scorpions. They really make it worse. They play “Wind of Change.” Really grates on my nerves.
By Jeff321
August 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this
Jeff321 what the hell difference does it make at this point how long Cox stays with Chucky, it’s not like we’re in a pennant race or something. You might as well see whether Chucky still sucks so you can make a decision for 2009
I could’ve told ya he still sucked! Anyway, what about the much touted season ticket holders? Do you think they want to see this crap? Oh right, I guess they don’t matter anymore, eh?
My main point being, whether we’re in the race or not.. Its the SOS from Cox. He lets starting pitching get hammered until we’re OUT of the game! Or he brings in a scrub to lose it for us.
That’s only if you don’t count McCann’s locker.
McCann is such a stud (I’m sure “chippendale” will love that one!) he’s allowed to have a heap!
By kirknga
August 1, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this
Perhaps Doc, but Hernandez has been hit hard this season, but has pitched nearly 140 innings. I think it might be worth a look.
I’m usually very patient when it comes to the rookies and young players, but CJ really is Davies from the left side. I think he could benefit from a change of scenery.
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this
If chuckie is the future let us pray for armageddon.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
Thats why I had in my mind, but when I check in www.baseballreference.com, he has no stats as a Cubs player, only in Detroit. Doc Holliday
Tigers traded Infante to Cubs for Jacque Jones and cash after the 2007 season, then Cubs included him with Ohman in trade with Braves about three weeks later at winter meetings.
By Canuckbravesfan
August 1, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
Chuck James got the start tonight because there is nothing else at Richmond right now and his numbers there were pretty good ! Folks, the cupboard at AAA is bare unless you want Brian Lawrence and he started two days ago, I believe, and was not good !
By Interested Observer
August 1, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
That’s right, Doc. Omar was traded twice during the offseason. He may have put on a Cubs uniform for an introductory press conference, but that’s about it.
There’s a video on YouTube offering a retrospective of Omar’s career with the Cubs. It’s a blank screen with music in the background. Very funny.
By Coach (Chuck N Duck)
August 1, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
Big league hitters figured out his high release point last season. his fastball is to slow, batters just pick it up right out of his hand and pound it like it’s batting practice. James doesn’t trust his slider enough, which is why we are seeing this debacle tonight. Almost everything that Chucky throws is straight. He doesn’t fool professional hitters nearly enough with the change up like he does with the minor leaguers .
All in all, James will be out of the big leagues in short order unless he does something drastic to change his delivery and develops some kind of decent off-speed pitch.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
SNIPPER
How is the wind and smell in 2nd place? tick, tack, tick , tack.
Can you say pressure? Ooppss, muts are losing to the astros.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this
Thanks for your replies to the infante matter..
By Steve from OH
August 1, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this
In my not so humble opinion… Coach
Therein lies the problem sir. Therein lies the problem.
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this
anyone catch that picture of macc and k.j. sitting next to each other on the bench?
k.j. looks like he waxes his eyebrows.
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this
You’re right DOB, Chuckie is a AAA lifer.
By DCDave
August 1, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this
Hate to chime this in, given Chucky’s start tonight, but got to watch him start this summer for Richmond. Did a great job of changing speeds, but, and four of us were watching, no indication of a third pitch. Think he tried to add it tonight.
By Jerald Holcombe
August 1, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
God, I can”t stand Tavares. All the way back to the 95 World Series when the Braves handed his a* to him, he has been crap.
By Not A Cox Lover
August 1, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
I don’t hate Cox, but I do think he’s over rated. Even though I’m not a Cox lover, he really can’t be slammed for virtually any move he makes this year from here on out. I don’t blame him for leaving Chuck in. Need to see if he sucks as bad as he sucked when he left.
The season is over. Bobby should get a free pass from here on out for the rest of this season while he rests the pen, sees what he has for the future and just generally have a few laughs at the expense of this sorry team.
By ATLSports10
August 1, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this
DOB
Don’t you mean Omar (not Ohman) from Cubs to Tigers then to the Braves?
By ATLSports10
August 1, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this
DOB
Don’t you mean Omar (not Ohman) from Tigers to Cubs then to the Braves?
By CC1973
August 1, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB-
What has happened with Brian Lawrence? Didn’t the Braves sign him a few months back to help with pitching attrition. Is he doing so bad in Triple-A that he’d be a worse option that Chuck James? Or do the Braves even still have Lawrence?
By MGL
August 1, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this
Sammy doesn’t weigh enough to be a Braves catcher. Needs to put on about 50lbs.
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this
I think Livan Hernandez will be no different to their current starters(obviously not campillo nor Jair) but he could give the braves some innings, and “save” the young starters in the braves organization so they would not lose confidence.
By Chippendale Dancer
August 1, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
Jeff, Jeff
Studliness is NOT a laughing matter. It is a virtue that is earned through diet, exercise and the proper wardrobe.
By Wayne in Utah
August 1, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
Coach How the hell could it have cost us the 2 draft picks. If we hadn’t done the deal in the first place, we would have never had Tex to cost us anything. How could it cost us something we never had????
Also, going for Tex cost us last season and this season???? How in blazes do you figure that one???
Give it a rest, you old fool!
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
DOB
Thanks for your answer, I know what you meant.
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
k.j. looks like he waxes his eyebrows.
Maybe KJ has Andy Rooney eyebrows.
When KJ gets as old as Andy Rooney, he can stop caring and let those brows grow any which way they may.
Until then KJ will settle for being a little metrosexual in his unibrow prevention.
By Shamus Thacker
August 1, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
Doc, if we win just a few we’ll overtake the Nu Yawkahs. Just depends on how soon they begin the inevitable Mut Floppapalooza Tour.
By The Scatman
August 1, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this
…the rest of the season is a weigh station.
No. I’d say the rest of the season is a Port-a-Potty.
By NCBravesFan
August 1, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
Just got in from dinner and I saw the line on Chuck. Hopefully, he’s still got that Lowes gig going in the offeason, or whatever store it is …
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
You’re welcome, Doc! Nope, never put on a Cubs uni.
Jeff321—
Yep! The Braves tolerate his messiness because he’s so good.
MGL—
LA-dee-da! So (un)funny.
By Tex Deal
August 1, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
Something no one mentions much, if Tex were to sign with Baltimore or any of the bottom dwellers, their first round pick is protected thus losing the first rounder that would be coming for signing an “A” free agent. There are 15 protected first rounders that aren’t subject to being returned to teams that lose a class A free agent.
By Firehombre
August 1, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this
It’s funny how Kotchman comes here and struggles to get a hit. He should feel very comfortable with the Braves.
By Jeff321
August 1, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this
At this point Tavarez is better than Boyer and Ring.
So, dump the paltry pitchers and bring up the AA talent. Lets see whats in the pipeline because these neverwill’s have been given too many chances.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this
Boston and Yankees locked in their respective home games.
1-1 and 0-0
Playoff atmosphere.
By A bemused observer
August 1, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this
Braves should trade for Jack Cust of Oakland (20 home runs).
Then the middle of the lineup would be:
Kots, Kotch, Cust
By lilman
August 1, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
Nothing fixes the ailments of a team better than coming to The TED to face the Braves.
The Brewers were whitewashed by the Cubs, and the Braves didn’t stand a chance right out of the gate.
By Jerry
August 1, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
Good pitching by the pen tonight.
By Jerry
August 1, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
Good pitching by the pen tonight.
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
If we dont score against Suppan… We may not score the whole series.. Thats scary
By McFann Ô
August 1, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the article on McCann, Chief!
By Random
August 1, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this
DOB: “TNScott: Yes, true that.”
I think you actually meant to say “”Tru dat”, don’t you?
/s/ BG
DOB: “If he [David Myler] read our little daily discourse here he’d know we have some quite literate, insightful and hilarious bloggers (and some idiots, but not nearly as many as most joints like this).”
And precious few who do so in less than 100 words. (I think you meant “high-larious”, don’t you? /s/ BG)
“mistakingly” = mistakenly — and your mother and I had such high hopes for you in the American English journalism racket that you so insistingly persisted to pursue.
/s/ BG
(All in good fun, sir — just good natured joshing only. Okay?)
By Jerry
August 1, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
Well Boyer’s in,so this game is about to blow up.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this
Shamus Thacker
Its funny how SNOOPY disappears as soon as his muts start losing.
In other news, Angels just score off rivera…….1-0 bottom of the 9th….. Great game by Sidney Ponson. TEX is enjoying his place in the standings for sure.
TEX walked in the top of the 9th, was PR for and that might end up being the winning run of the game.
By Firehombre
August 1, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this
Nor will the Braves stand a chance in the next 2 games against either C.C. or Sheets
By Robert S
August 1, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this
Someone asked earlier if the Braves might have some interest in the just DFA’ed Livan Hernandez.
Well………he is better than Chuck James, I’ll give him that, but if you like 79 MPH fastballs, 60 MPH curves, tons of baserunners, a guy who averages six innings a start but with a high ERA, then Livan’s your man. In his prime, he was a workhorse who averaged 240 innings a year, but it’s safe to say he’s not in his prime anymore.
Heck, the Braves had no problem picking up guys like Norton and Tavarez, so why not Livan?
And by the way, it says he’s 33 years old in his stats, but given he’s from Cuba (and remember the flap earlier this year about Yunel Escobar’s age), you might want to add about four years or so to that……..
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this
Career numbers:
Wilson Betemit: .258/.326/.434/.760 OPS
KJ: .266/.356/.434/.790 OPS
Frenchy: .271/.313/.443/ .756 OPS
By I was a teenage Francophile
August 1, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this
Will he do it?
Will his Frenchness finish with an average below Andruw’s .222 of last year?
Then maybe the Dodgers will want another outfielder.
By A bemused observer
August 1, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this
I think both teams are trying to get this game over with as quickly as possible.
That works in Boyeer’s favor.
By Butch in Aiken
August 1, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this
As for Corky, Patsy Cline summed it up when she sang, “Pick me up on your way down.”
What is the difference in what Tim Donaghy did and what Manny Ramirez did? Both were tanking it.
Ned Yost was worried about the Brewers’ slide, so he called their team physician and asked, “Doctor, doctor give me the news.” His reply: “Take a Chuck James and call me in the morning.”
By Couch Tater
August 1, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this
College flashback:
Bellbottoms Halter tops Bill Tush at 3:00a.m.
By kirknga
August 1, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this
Yes Tomas, that’s what I had in mind for Hernandez, he could at least make it out of the 4th inning.
I like to think he’d be a better shot at a quality start than CJ, by virtue of experience. Plus he’s a good hitter.
By 1980's
August 1, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this
Oh sh—it, is the streak over??? And all we got was ONE title?…..DAMN
By N Nine
August 1, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this
Well folks were are having fireworks scheduled for the rest of season at Turner!!!
starring:Mike Hampton ERA 10.00,,JoJO Reyes * ERA 5.33* Chuck James ERA 9.47 (and two others) also special events such as The Royce Ring show ERA 8.02 enjoy the show
Chippendale Dancer chuckie is a stud
By Left Field
August 1, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this
Coach Can’t containe myself any longer,you put down everything Cox has done but have no answers yourself.Just what do you coach? You looser zero,nada,nothing.You keyboard punching looser POS. Big leaguers hitters have figured out CJ’s release point-great observation. Robert all of the above goes for you as well but you are even dummer. Great trade Tex for Kotchman.
By Ray
August 1, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this
Hi, gang.
Haven’t been on here for a while. I stopped posting blogs the moment Kelly Johnson dropped that ball. I stopped watching, too. I couldn’t take it anymore. My blood pressure was up, I wasn’t getting restorative sleep. I tried to think of a way I could write off the Baseball ticket as a tax deduction…
One night, last week, I decided just to peek in and see what was happening with the Bravos, just to see if Corky was still on the team. I learned, quickly, that doing so is kinda like peeking into a maximum security prison yard in the hopes of seeing some square dancing.
NOTHING
EVER
CHANGES
My first trip back tantalizes me with a feast for the eyes. I rub my eyes in disbelief: a 9 run inning, Hampton is pitching, we still have Tex, and are still only 6.5 games, within striking distance!!
Then, just as I finish looking at the standings, counting how many games we have left against division rivals, googling potential buys for the Braves, they give 7 runs right back and lose the game by one run.
Fool me once, shame on you—fool me twice, Bobby Cox must still be managing.
By kirknga
August 1, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this
I do hope the Braves pay Ohman his money. I’m trying to imagine how having Ring as your workhorse lefty is anything but a disaster.
By 1980's
August 1, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this
D!ck (head) Holliday you want to talk about losing???? Go check on the standings. You may want to sit down when you see how much LOSING the braves have been doing. I have 2 words for you….NO CHANCE!! THE braves ARE DONE. See Ya next year redneck.
By SeattleBravesFan
August 1, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this
Now that Corky is gone and woefully late in the year if you ask me. Can somebody explain why Royce Ring is still trotted out from the bullpen? There has to be an option that may be better. Somebody in AAA or AA that might make sense. I’m not for bringing the whole farm to the house for tryouts the rest of the way, but really, there has to be a better option for the bullpen that Ring.
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this
Does Royce know its 60’6” to home plate?
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this
Ring is so bad. I hope they DFA him too.
By Robert S
August 1, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
The Royce Ring show seems to be popular with NL hitters, as good ol’ Royce is getting hammered to the tune of a .344 batting average, .421 against righties.
Another dead weight that should be dropped, um, like yesterday.
But I did hear the faint sounds of celestial choirs singing after Corky’s DFA. Faint, only because I live 335 miles away in Mobile.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
June 28th was the last time JF had a BA above .240.
Im betting he will end up below .225. Lots of work to do there.
By TennesseePaul
August 1, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
In my not so humble opinion, the Braves got H-O-S-E-D and I’m talking taken to the damn cleaners
Is that cleaners location next door to the bank you deposited the 2008 WS trophy for the Braves back in April?
By Jerry
August 1, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
Someone mentioned the good deal of getting Ohman & Infante. The trade to bring in Royce Ring makes it even.
By StingerSplash
August 1, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
So when Royce Ring gets pulled from the game, should he just keep walking to the cab outside waiting for him and Chuck James?
By Chippendale Dancer
August 1, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
Chuck is NOT a stud!!!
But he’ll show you where the studfinders are located.
(Aisle 5)
By N Nine
August 1, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
next on the list of DFA: Ring makes the bullep phone ring non stop his era jumping stay tuned
By Coach (Speaking to the writer with no integrity)
August 1, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
I think a certain somebody who titled this blog (Braves Nation must know: Will Sammy displace Corky), knew that Miller would be DFA’d long before he put this blog up.
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this
Headline on the AJC says: New hometown hero Sammons to remain behind the plate, with McCann returning soon.
Does Francoeur know about this?
By TNScott
August 1, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
Just returned from watching a rerun of UCLA and Memphis game and saw part of the James pitching line: 6 hits 6 runs 6 earned. If that ain’t truly a line from the nether regions I don’t know what is then again I feel like I’ve been stuck in a summer of ‘90 time warp which was the last time that I looked forward to the end of baseball season in July. By the way “DOB” the replay of Kansas and Memphis game is just starting which will be considerably more interesting to watch than the ghastly carnage you are forced to endure.
By Braveheart
August 1, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
What is the difference in what Tim Donaghy did and what Manny Ramirez did? Both were tanking it.
What’s the difference between Manny’s behavior and Theo’s behavior after the 2005 season when Theo quit?
And how was Red Sox management’s behavior different from Manny’s behavior back then in making Theo quit for 2 months?
By McFann O
August 1, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this
This is sad.
Gotta shut down. Night, all.
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this
Kotchman’s BA is worse then Corkys ohh noo lol (just a little bit of levity to try to make the game better)
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
You have to consider this like a positive thing gang…..it aint a 1 run lose, so cheer up.
By 1980's
August 1, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this
The BIG BIG question is can the braves stay out of last place.
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this
food for thought,
name me ONE player in the braves current lineup that could start for the brewers?
yeah, thats what i thought.
so according to the interview i heard this morning on 680 the fan, wren says we are set in at least 6 out of 8 positions.
gonna be a long couple of years.
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this
Ohman looking solid as usual… Glad he’s still here
By Goodoleboy58
August 1, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this
Somebody with a better memory then me…
Hasn’t Frenchy been up to bat in the 9th inning for the past week?
By Robert S
August 1, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this
SeattleBravesFan, now that the Braves are heading for a 70 win season (or worse), might as well see what some of the AA or AAA guys are made of, give them a taste of the bigs, and determine who will be the guys to look for in ‘09. That’s my hope, anyway. But certainly Ring has wore out his welcome. Bobby’s keeps putting him out there to see if things will change, but apparently they aren’t. Something’s gotta give soon.
Hopefully though, Moylan will be back and healthy come May ‘09, the Braves will retain Ohman’s services, Soriano will be healthy again, Gonzalez will stick around, and the Braves will only have to look for a couple of guys to fill out the spots in the ‘pen. Might as well be some of the up-and-coming youngsters. I say give them a look, and soon…….
By Run Heap Run
August 1, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this
Frenchy just thinks they mean another hometown hero.
it will take a few hundred more strikeouts on 3 pitches before he and Catie are ready to give up their imaginary King and Queen of Atlanta crowns.
By TennesseePaul
August 1, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this
Wilson Betemit: .258/.326/.434/.760 OPS
KJ: .266/.356/.434/.790 OPS
Frenchy: .271/.313/.443/ .756 OPS
As long as you’re on this one Braveheart might as well include some more info:
By Random
August 1, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this
Steve from OH: “Random, that was pretty interesting. I’ve never read Joe Posnanski before, but I liked that article.”
Yeah — I can’t remember how I stumbled across him, but like I said — good stuff (DOB concurs).
Though he’s never mentioned it, I have good reason to believe that our inestimable and highly esteemed — what a quirky paradox, huh? — Shaun also holds him in high regard.
(Oops — I guess Shaun is MIA — read, “in hiatus” — until Mon, 9-5. Somebody else will have to “defend” him in the interim.)
8-)
Libertarian: “Government exists to serve the citizens of the nation. At least that is how this nation was founded.”
Our Government IS “the citizens of the nation.” THAT “is how this nation was founded.”
We ARE the “Government”. And, by the way, we do firmly request that you KEEP POLITICS OFFA THIS BLOG.
(Okay, ncscoots? Did I cross the line my own self? Didn’t mean to — I do agree with you.)
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this
I hope Glavine doesn’t have any set backs, they really need him. I hope the braves get Livan Hernandez, but without giving prospects. Ialso hope the braves can talk to Ohman to try to sign him to an extension before he becomes a free agent. It’ll probobally be the same kind of deal Mahay got this offseason, but more years.
By BigPapaT
August 1, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this
I’m not sure that Ring is even left-handed.
By DAP
August 1, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
hey brewers……youre welcome.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
Good evening SNOOPY69.
You showed up at about the right time. Did you watch what your loser team just did?
Bases loaded, nobody out, 7th inning………and then, 1-2-3. Ooops. Chavez, Wright, Delgado. Thought that was the heart of the order.
Enjoy your collapse.
By N Nine
August 1, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this
studfinders in triple AAA? so who is a true stud? fantasy freeks love the word stud lets make an alltime stud list. I enjoy watching *studs and studdetts
By Steve from OH
August 1, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this
Did anyone know Paul DePodesta has a blog? It’s called “itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com.”
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this
I hope Joe Torre makes Manny cut his hair. It would be funny to see manny’s reaction to that.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this
uga-brave
I could tell you at least some……..JF, Corky (oops he is not here anymore) and KJ, LOL.
Sorry………well seriously, you can say McCann, Chipper and Yunel could fight for the job. Other than that…….thats it.
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this
that is 6 out of 7 games that we have given up a touchdown plus.
yeah, a tweak or two frank and that will do it.
when the braves cut their minor league budget it was the beginning of the end.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this
Can’t the Braves get a 10-run handicap for every game from here on out?
By bgvt
August 1, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this
Good grief. For all the folks wondering why Chuck was called up instead of someone else: he performed pretty well in Richmond. He has certainly pitched better than the Brian Lawrence experiment. He was sent down to work on things and had good success. Unfortunately, I don’t think it included developing a 3rd pitch. Nevertheless, the Braves need to figure out how he fits in their future plans.
I suppose they could have made a different roster move and kept Jo Jo on the 25-man roster earlier in the week. However, JJ needs to go back to Richmond to figure out some stuff. Jo Jo pitched well at times until his last 5 or so starts. I think the pressure got to him after losing some close games with little run support. I hope he can find his groove again. I expect that we’ll see him in September. (If not before if Charlie doesn’t get it together.)
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
TNScott
Saw the replay of UT-Louisville— just as painful as the last time I saw it.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
BIG BIG question:
Can the muts stay out of failure?
;-)
By JC FROM UT
August 1, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this
Any chance Ohman signs an extention before the end of the season?
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this
Since the Bravos are done, time to root for #2 — Anybody playing the Mets!!
By Random
August 1, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this
Jerry: “Well Boyer’s in,so this game is about to blow up.”
Boyer — 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K.
Okay with you, smart guy?
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this
Easy uga-brave, good times will, sooner than later. Still have people DLed remember? Hampton still washing the rust away, Smoltz could come back to the pen. Matt will come back, Chipper. Soriano is looking a little bit healthier………easy………relax.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this
I’m just curious… with all our pitchers going back to Richmond to “figure things out,” what is the pitching coach’s job?
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this
Ooopsss…..Astros load the bases with no one out and
KAAAABOOOOMMM
THE BIG SALAMI.
Sorry 1980´s, phillies are also losing, but youll lose ground in the wildcard race to the brewers and cards…….so sad.
By SeattleBravesFan
August 1, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this
Robert S…I have to disagree. Check out the Mariner’s situation if you want to see a team that needs to audition and see what the farm has to offer. The Braves have some spots where they should be kicking the tires, but no need to run a tryout with this team. As upside down as this season has gotten, this team isn’t in blowup and rebuild status, a-la my local M’s. And besides, the current management is not that type of management. Just not gonna happen…
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this
doc,
i was talking about tonights lineup.
correct me if i am wrong, but wasn’t jeff francoeur supposed to be ryan braun before ryan braun became ryan braun.
sorry i dont see huge futures for brandon jones, anderson, or diaz.
there are some talent evaluators in this organization that need to be held accountable.
oops i forgot, mcjerk does not hold anyone accountable, nor does he think he is accountable.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this
UGA-Brave
Just curious….how long you expect the dawgs to stay #1 this year?
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this
Jason Bay just hit a triple in the bottom of the 12th……. he might end up scoring the only 2 runs of the game for the redsox………in the 1st and last inning of the game.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this
Doc Please tell me it was off Santana
By mets fan in atlanta
August 1, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this
Hey Doc Holliday,
I hope you enjoy rooting for our impending collapse as much as we mets fans enjoy actually watching yours. We don’t have to hope it happens, because it is happening right now, and the management of the Braves thinks that they “aren’t too far away from being a contender”.
I love how this blog and Frank Wren think the Braves are set at “6 out of 8 positions.” I coach high school sports, and it reminds me of a baseball team in our region last season that bragged about they had 12 seniors or so, and how that meant they were going to have a good season. Problem was, they weren’t any good as juniors, so just because they returned all their starters, it doesn’t mean they were any good. Naturally, those seniors went on to have a very disappointing season—finishing in the bottom third of the region.
So just because the Braves are “set” at different positions, doesn’t mean those players are actually good, and it also doesn’t mean they aren’t better ones out there that can’t take their place. Gregor Blanco, Kelly Johnson, Jeff Francoeur (if this season is not an aberation), Matt Diaz, Mark Kotsay, and even Yunel Escobar are not players who can’t be improved on. Jury is out on Casey Kotchman. It’s silly to say that certain prospects are “blocked” by any of the above named players, and even sillier to say you can’t trade one of them if it will make your team better.
Case in point: one of my favorite players back about 7 years ago was Ty Wigginton. When he came up in 2002, he was hard-nosed, fiery, hit .300 as a rookie, hit double digit HR his second year, and all-around just a good player. He was cheap, he was a decent fielder, and Mets fans loved him. Then all of sudden people start talking about this minor league 3B who is supposed to be pretty good. He comes up in July 2004, and Ty Wigginton is suddenly traded away. I was upset at first, because i really liked Wigginton. But it looks like the Mets made the right move. Good thing they didn’t think David Wright was blocked, and include him in a trade for someone. And yes, the mets blew the Kazmir trade, so i’m not saying they made all the right moves, because they haven’t….not even close….but at least they didn’t feel that had to deal Wright because they had a cheap young starter already in place.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this
How many games has the Braves opening day lineup played together this year?
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this
Ooopss…….muts lose.
Thats so sad.
GO muts!!!!!!!
LOL.
By Doc Holliday
August 1, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this
WOW, amazingly, AJ is in the lineup tonight for LA.
By Retro-Brave
August 1, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this
I was in a self induced coma from 1990 till this morning.Other than the weard unis it appears little has changed with The Bravos.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this
Met’s fan
Yep. Wright sure came through last year when your victory party got crashed, huh?
By StingerSplash
August 1, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this
A starting staff that is full of question marks or punctuation marks covering naughty words after Campillo and Jurrjens. A battered bullpen. A lineup without Teixeira (forever), Jones (for who knows who long) and McCann (for a couple of days). This is a bad, bad, bad mix. At this rate, the o/u for Braves wins for the season is 70. If McCann can pick up where left off and if Chipper can come back at anything close to his form this year, they have a chance at .500.
By Formerly Known as Mark T.
August 1, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this
Please say this no longer means we can include James as a member of the rotation for next year. Please!!!!!!!
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this
southbeach,
who knows. only one team has ever gone wire to wire, 1998 criminoles.
if the dawgs go 10-2 with their schedule it will be more then acceptable.
my freshman year was 1985. just missed the herschel years.
saw the end of the dooley era and the beginning of the one play away RAY years.
never seen hype like this though. i am going to columbia and arizonia state.
if we get through those two games we come home and face bama and fat phil.
i really think we will loose two games. dont know which ones but at some point that road schedule will bite us.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this
How in the world is Kotchman batting .089?? Do they reset your stats when you switch leagues?
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this
Manny’s rug is finally coming off. Thanks Joe Torre.
By Robert S
August 1, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this
SeattleBravesFan, I must say it’s pretty baffling that some of the players on the M’s are still there (Jose Vidro? Why?)
Anyone in charge up there? And to think there’s a mess with the Braves……we should feel fortunate, compared to Seattle.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 1, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this
Stinger.
No way they make .500 regardless…
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this
there is no place like home, there is no place like home, there is no place like home.
i just had the worst dream, i woke up uncle mcgfiff, uncle maddux , and uncle justice, and i saw the cowardly lion (chuck-n-duck) the tin man (kelly johnson) and the scarecrow ( julian tavarez ) on our team.
thank goodness it was a dream, where is toto? what do you mean a large cow ate him.
By Tomas
August 1, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this
Man, the braves AAA team has absolutely no starters. Brian Lawrence has been awful, Damian Moss was awful as a starter, and now he is a reliever, and has shown some improvement, Jo-jo lost it in the majors, and hasn’t had a start yet in the minors from this lastest demotion, Chuck James surrenders two or more homers per game, and Charlie Morton has lost it along with Jo-jo, and will be demoted tomorrow maybe. Jorge Julio’s ERA isn’t bad, but he has still having control issues averaging around one or two walks per inning. And Stockman just got back from the DL, and has not pitched in the dominating fashion he had earlier in his minor league season, but he still has an ERA of 2. Jordan Schafer(AA) has gotten hot hitting 359 in his last ten games, bringing his average up to 242, and has a 9 game hitting streak, no homers in this streak.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this
Be careful what you wish for, all those who’d like to see a bunch of kids playing the last two months. It’d look a whole lot like this if you got that wish.
Chuck’s brutal performance was one thing, but the Braves getting only five hits in seven scoreless against Suppan is quite another. Suppan had been torched frequently for the past five weeks or more.
By kirknga
August 1, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this
If Hampton and Glavine can return anywhere close to form, the Braves have a shot at making .500.
Chipper has to play and continue to hit, so does McCann. With healthy and effective Hampton and Glavine, along with JJ and Campillo(so longs as the story lasts), we have a shot at winning more times than not.
With Benett back, and hopefully a rested Acosta, the pen will be at least adequate to good.
But the most important issue besides health, will be fortitude. How much motivation and desire do the remaining players have? Do they have the drive in them not to fold? We’ll see, but they can reach .500.
By uga-brave
August 1, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this
.500
lets get a over- under on 90 losses.
my prediction 69-93.
anyone under?
By bruce
August 1, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this
McFann; Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the dirty hit… I completely agree with you and appreciate you writing in greater length. Brian has so much class… I am really glad he is doing well enough to have caught bullpens this afternoon, that is great news.
Kinda wish though that we did not have to let Corky go in case Clint gets hurt and Brian is pushed back to more time faster than they would like, but hopefully there was excellent medical judgement. (i did not look to see if there was anything else they could have done to activate Chuck)
I too hope that Brian has no lingering effects and does not get any kind of hit for a long time so he can fully recover. I want to see him play again, but more I want him to be head/neck healthy… one thing to play with a lingering injury like an ankle (like last year), quite another to risk another concussion. Thanks, Bruce
By bravos2249
August 1, 2008 11:59 PM | Link to this
ahhh Tomas
Livan was DFA not put on waviers which means you don’t have to give up anything.
And Manny said he’d cut his hair because there are rules there and he doesn’t want them to treat him any different.
By uga-brave
August 2, 2008 12:02 AM | Link to this
DOB,
like i said a tweak here or there.
yep next year is gonna be different.
we are definetely solid at second and right field though.
By N8
August 2, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this
DOB
“Be careful what you wish for, all those who’d like to see a bunch of kids playing the last two months. It’d look a whole lot like this if you got that wish.”
BIG difference between having KIDS be inconsistent and getting shut-down by worthless pitchers.
But it’s not like the team wasn’t struggling WITH Teixeira, and even Chipper in the lineup.
It’s like food (well….not really, but….), if I go to a local “chop-house” and order a $40.00 plate of Prime Rib and it sucks, I’m gonna b!tch about it, and rightfully so.
But if I go to McDonalds and order a double-cheeseburger off of the dollar menu, I really don’t have anything to complain about if it’s not any good, do I?
This team was under-achieving and playing below .500 WITH all the “big-guns” in the lineup. Certainly, we can do the same for the final two months with the kids, right?
Besides. We’re in position for a Top 10 pick (and rising) in the draft. To my knowledge, even if we sign a big free agent, we can’t lose that high of a pick, so I say stink it up. Draft high. Sign a big gun, and give up our 2nd round pick.
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this
how is andruw Jones in the OF tonight?? he’s 0-2 with 2 k..if bobby cox had him in that situation you all would be asking for his resignation letter.
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this
uga-brave
im going with 71-91 . solid 4th place.
By Pete H.
August 2, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this
I think we better brace ourselves for a lot of games like this. Not much we can do with a two-man pitching rotation and four subs playing regularly and both Tex and Chipper not playing.
Moaning and screeching won’t change the fact that we’ve spent more on medical bills than salaries this year.
Let’s hope that all these salaries being off the books (including Hudson, who is being paid by the insurance company now) we can muscle up and get a Sabathia in the off-season and perhaps pull a trade for a Carlos Lee type.
We have some great talent in the minors but they won’t be ready in 2009.
By Braveheart
August 2, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this
Be careful what you wish for, all those who’d like to see a bunch of kids playing the last two months. It’d look a whole lot like this if you got that wish.
DOB, I’m sorry but watching kids suck is a whole lot more fun than watching all the studs who’ve been 15 games under .500 since the Mother’s Day Massacre last year (the Larew game). 2006, 2007, 2008 have not been fun.
By RLD
August 2, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this
we are definetely solid at second and right field though.
uga-brave, how can you say we’re solid in right field? By any measure - BA, OPB, SLG Pct, OPS, Francouer is the worst hitting right fielder in the NL. By most measures, by a huge margin.
Maybe he’ll get better, but I don’t see how you can say we’re “set” in right. I’d trade Francouer in a second if we could get anything for him.
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 12:22 AM | Link to this
mets fan in atlanta
It would be fun to see your muts match against the brewers, cubs, angels, boston in the playoffs or WS………but, I dont think we would be fortunate enough to watch that circus………maybe next year.
BTW, wish you luck trying to fill your LF, 2B, 1B, bullpen, SP and bench…………oh sorry, I forgot the muts were so solid in those positions.
All I can see is 1 single pitcher in all your pitching staff with a record better than 2 games above .500……………..only 1. WOW, what a pitching staff. Thats what I call team work.
You know Wright is overrated, average defense and only good bat, he is not a great player, just good. No superstar. He just dreams of being like Chipper one day (except the injuries, LOL).
What about Reyes? total collapse last year after the deadline, this year, we shall see. Great speed, average defense, not above average.
2B——————-big hole there
1B——————— FA, Im sure muts wont take him again, I hope they do, he is a joke.
C——————— he is hitting .250, we have the best catcher in the league.
LF——————-big hole to fill, you have a rental doing a good job, but he is trying to rejuvenate his career.
CF——————point to you there, but im pretty sure you were expecting more out of him.
RF————- he has not been a factor this year……….will his head problems ever go away again?
Closer—————-not getting any younger, lots of blown saves, good ERA but not dominant as he should be, lots of troubles to close games out. Arm problems recently.
SP—————- Santana, Pelfrey and Maine have a 9-7 record each………is that domination? doubt it. Pedro is done. El Duque is done. Perez is a FA and has an ERA above 4.00 ERA and 7-6 record.
BP————you can say whatever you want about your pen, but I have seen them give away like 100 games in less than 2 years.
So if mets are so tough, how come they are not in 1st place? they are not 1st in WC standings. And they could be in 3rd as soon as tomorrow. So I wouldnt be talking as high if I were you.
By TNScott
August 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Link to this
Southbeach, I stopped watching reruns of horror flicks when I was a teenager, that is until last weekend when I watched the Braves Saturday Massacre the next four days. Watching the James Gang fire more blanks than a spaghetti western was depressing enough tonight. The only way I could probably watch that rerun right now would be in a room with no sharp objects.
By Chop Chop
August 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Link to this
uga-brave,
I’ll take the over.
73-89.
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 12:40 AM | Link to this
bravos2249, I think that when you’re DFA’d you have ten days to get traded, and if you don’t you can either accept a minor league assignment or elect free agency. But they will accept any trade. I think that’s the way it works, but I’m not sure. Maybe we can trade Corky for Livan.
By uga-brave
August 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this
rld,
to finish my thoughts he ONLY has 2000 MAJOR league at bats. i guess that is a small sample size.
dont really see it for him or k.j.
they both have long mechanical swings.
k.j. cannot hit a inside breaking ball. swings over the top every time.
By Braveheart
August 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this
if the dawgs go 10-2 with their schedule it will be more then acceptable.
Ugabrave Gimme a break. The Dawgs are loaded. Anything less than undefeated and a national championship in Athens is unacceptable. Stop being an enabler and making the excuses before the season starts. The schedule will not be what does them in.
If they end up losing a game or two it will be for the same reason it has happened in the past: because Richt gets flat out outcoached like he did last year against South Carolina and Tennessee and Alabama and Vanderbilt. He grew a ton as a coach in the second half of last season but let’s hope he doesn’t wait until the season is half over and he already has one or two crippling losses0 on his record before he wakes up and fires up his team. Richt needs to go pedal to the medal from beginning to the end of the season.
If I were you, I’d also be careful about this whole Caleb King/Knowshon Moreno thing. Whenever Richt gets worried about offending one player or another, he tries to placate everyone and play them all and it has hurt them repeatedly during the Richt tenure. He screwed around too much with Lump, Brown and Ware, was way too in love with Thomas Brown, screwed around too much last year with Brown and Moreno when he should have just let Moreno carry the ball. The team didn’t really take off until Brown went out for a long period of time and the best back Knowshon started carrying it 20 + times a game.
Richt also screwed around too much in the strange Stafford, Cox, JT3 year. The Shockey/Greene stupidity cost them that Florida game 5 or 6 years ago. Whenever you give Richt too many QBs or too many RBs, he’ll screw it up by trying to make them all happy by playing them.
So, I just don’t think it will be the schedule. The Dawgs are more than good enough to go undefeated. If they fail to do so, it will be because Richt gets badly outcoached in a game or two, or he fails to properly motivate his team from game one until game fourteen or because he screws around too much trying to make all of the running backs happy
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 12:45 AM | Link to this
LaTroy Hawkings who was DFA’d by the Yankees was trades for Cusick a prospect from the Astros.
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this
If Glavine does get back in the mid of August, the rotation will have four capable starter. Jair, Campillo, Glavine, and Hampton. So I think it would be a good idea to get livan to be the fifth starter. He is an innings eater, but has lost a lot of velocity in that fastball.
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this
bravos2249, Manny, and Joe Torre had a meeting before the game, and one of the topics they discussed was that he needed to cut the Bob Marley type(thank god) according to the Diamonbacks broadcasters Mark Grace, and the son of Don Sutton.
By fastasballs
August 2, 2008 12:58 AM | Link to this
Well at this point there isn’t a lot of reason to hope the Braves improve their record too much. A top 15 draft pick, top ten at the moment, can’t be taken away if a big name free agent is signed if they maintain their futility.
How would that work if the Braves signed two A free agents, like CC & Sheets. Would they lose the second round pick next year & one in 2010? I never really thought about it because the Braves usually are not attempting to sign those types of players, much less two in a year.
Even if Wren thought they needed to replace the entire outfield, how can they considering the needs on the mound right now? I’m sure he’s not happy with Frenchy & is probably a lot more worried than he leads on, but he can’t throw the guy under the bus. Just maybe he does have a rebound season, maybe not.
If the other needs are met & Frenchy is having another year like this one I have no doubt Wren will make a trade if the Braves are in it.
Not much went right for the Braves this season. Injuries wiped out what should have been any chance to compete, but for a while the starters held them in it & the rest of the NL East playing uninspired ball. Season long slumps by Frenchy, off/on offensive production, virtually no clutch hitting, poor fundamentals & questionable management at time finished off that slim chance.
For the Braves to really compete in 2009 Wren is going to have to do a helluva job in the off season with singings & trades. Also somebody other than Chipper & McCann is going to have to have a career season next year. Kotchman, Frenchy, KJ, Escobar, or a player who is yet to be a Brave. Oh yeah the injuries will have to be kept to a dull roar next season.
By 2010 there should be an influx of talent from the minors if guys keep progressing. If some of the current Braves continue at their current pace the next crop of prospects won’t have to worry about their positions being “blocked”.
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 1:00 AM | Link to this
Sorry but I dont think TG is capable of more than 5 innings…….if lucky. So can you say 3 pitchers? And that is if Hampton gets any better.
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this
*Doc Holliday *, good points on the Mets. They are all true, except the one of their starters. Pelfrey is a good young pitcher, Santana is dominant, Oliver Perez when he is on his game is super dominant(reminds me of young randy johnson) and John Maine is very good. But that bulpen sucks so much, that it actually makes are bulpen good. They traded all their future for Santana, and if they remain competitive after this year is because they sign Adam Dunn, Oliver Perez, and at least two bulpen arms. But that team has no future, and we have some very promisng prospects, that will make this team competitive for much more than a few years. The mets depend on that high payroll, and good luck in not getting injured. Imagine that team with all the injuries the Braves had. Without Santana, without Wagner, without David Wright. They wouldn’t last a week.
By uga-brave
August 2, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this
braveheart,
i know you are a TIDE fan. oh by the way how is your nephew doing? hope all is well over in the sand.
sports has a way of uniting families and friends.
richt has had his shaky moments, no doubt.
there have been clock moments and some head scratching play calls.
richt finally has become a HEAD COACH.
no coincidence that we got better when he turned over the play calling to bobo.
he is right where he should be, a great figurehead that is now comfortable in his role.
as someone that has a VERY LARGE DOG IN THIS FIGHT (sorry all you vick fans) i believe we have national championship team but a brutal schedule.
ROAD GAMES, south carolina, arizonia state back to back.
come home play the tide, off week, then the fat phil’s.
then the stretch, at L.S.U. , FLORIDA at jacksonville, kentucky at lexington, then at THE PLAINS AND AUBURN.
we will play more top 15 ranked teams then ohio state and so cal combined.
By uga-brave
August 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Link to this
fastballs,
signing sheets and CC, you and chavez are in the spirit world.
By keylargo
August 2, 2008 1:41 AM | Link to this
I think Torre was scared AJ would end up with dreadlocks and Ramirez would hit .160, thus the hair edict.
By uga-brave
August 2, 2008 1:46 AM | Link to this
braveheart,
10 large per donor to have seats this year in A town.
large dog in this fight.
By Jeff Tweedy
August 2, 2008 2:16 AM | Link to this
Who is this fellow Corky Miller that everyone keeps talking about?
By SeattleBravesFan
August 2, 2008 2:42 AM | Link to this
Richard S……..Mariner’s, a truly rudderless and leaderless team. Befuddling to say the least. Why Vidro still? What took so long on Sexson? Why was Johjima resigned when nobody likes to pitch to him? Why wasn’t Washburn traded, or Ibanez for that matter.
To all who want to vent on the Braves. Not really gonna take issue, it’s rough right now. But in my neck of the woods, I see a team more up close that truly has issues. Want to talk about a team with no identity from the ownership group on down to the backup catcher?
The Braves are not a team that needs to be blown up. Ultimately, take a quick look out here in my beloved Pacific Northwest and see the “professional” baseball team playing here and you will see why I may have a glass is half full view of these Braves and where they stand for next year.
By Bobby's Cox
August 2, 2008 3:36 AM | Link to this
I agree with Braveheart
Seeing a bunch of kids at this stage is more exciting than seeing Corky, Kotsay, Norton fill holes. I don’t think it’s a slap in the face to season ticket holders. I think they understand.
I’d like to see Anderson up, prado get a bunch of starts, KJ experimented again in left, B. Jones get some starts in RF, etc….
Losing 9-0 everyday is no fun. Heck, lets bring up Hansen for a few starts in Sept too.
By Bobby's Cox
August 2, 2008 3:39 AM | Link to this
Bobby’s C; I know he’s had an off year, but he’s not that far off). I understand the Prado tout. Kinda. And now I see the Infante hat thrown in the ring Scoots
Awesome.
By nolie
August 2, 2008 5:33 AM | Link to this
Yeah — I can’t remember how I stumbled across him, but like I said — good stuff (DOB concurs).Random
yeah he is greaty. i posted a couple of his articles here., one not too long ago
By Donnie
August 2, 2008 5:34 AM | Link to this
The In and Out Burger…
By Bill
August 2, 2008 7:06 AM | Link to this
Why not play a bunch of the kids? They would be more exciting. They would win more than the bunch out there now. I think sometime this month, Kotsay will be gone. Gotay should be next. They may try to slip Ohman through also. I hope they keep him.
By Jeff R
August 2, 2008 7:49 AM | Link to this
To follow up on Bobby’s Cox’s comments about Prado, dead on. Truth is, Prado hasn’t been given a fair shake by management despite stellar springs. He would certainly be better defensively than Johnson, and as I’ve written before, one of the keys to winning is strong up-the-middle defense. But if not Prado, then management should look at other options for 2B in the off-season. I really wouldn’t be surprised if Johnson is moved (dealt) during the winter to buck up the rotation.
By TommyP
August 2, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this
We weren’t very good with veterans in there, we can do the same without those veterans.
If you don’t use these two months as an audition for several younger players, you’re a fool.
It appears that Wren is going to do what I and many others on here have suggested.
Yeah, let’s keep the veterans in there and see if we can play .500 ball the rest of the way. Maybe finish with 76 wins…. That should not only excite the season ticketholders but provide a springboard for next season.
Let’s see when Brandon Jones comes up. If he doesn’t come up ‘til September, that will pretty much tell you that the Braves don’t think he has a future in Atlanta.
Anderson needs to be given some at bats as well.
Once Kotsay is dealt and his “era” ends here, I would think one of the aforementioned OF’s will come up.
By Braves20
August 2, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this
Talk about a Catch 22. Designating Corky so you can bring up Boom Boom James.
What’s next? Releasing Royce Ring to bring back Todd Pratt or Craig Wilson?
Ring’s spot in the pen should be used on a young guy to give him some major league experience. How could a kid do much worse than an eight and a half ERA?
By Moby Grape
August 2, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
Why didn’t the Braves wait to deal Tex until today - I mean I have to imagine they could have gotten more from Arizona now that the Dodgers have MannyTomahawk Kris
C;mon people. Manny was traded at the very deadline. HITH would Wren have been able to work a deal with Arizona after that?
By TommyP
August 2, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
Moby: You’re absolutely correct.
However, I don’t understand why Wren pulled the trigger when he did. Wait until the afternoon of deadline day to see if anyone ups the ante.
Every single year it happens…Team A will not budge from their offer. Team B just holds out until the deadline. Other teams’ offers improve (or at least are rumored to) and Team A finally panics and gives up more than they wanted.
Isn’t that what happened last year with Tex? The Rangers got a king’s ransom because they waited and waited.
It’s not like the Angels would’ve rescinded their offer of Kotchman and Marek.
By Shamus Thacker
August 2, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
Hey DOB, I don’t ask a lot of questions because of the sheer volume thrown at you, but I think it’d be interesting to know what Tommy G. thought/thinks of Chuck Tanner. He was Tommy’s first ML manager, and I’m just wondering what positive/negative influence he might have had. CT was so upbeat and supportive, even in the dreariest of circumstances. Tommy could pitch 5-innings, walk 7-batters, give up 15-hits, throw 3 wild pitches, and balk in 4 of a total of 17-runs; even with that, Chuck T’s demeanor would never change. When he’d come out to get Tommy, you’d think he’d pitched shutout ball. He’d be clapping and smiling and butt-slapping, with never a hint of disappointment or being upset. That had to be huge in Tommy’s development. A pitcher so young and talented, yet struggling to bring it all together. Wonder if TG looks at Tanner as an inspirational cornerstone of his overall career? I have a feeling I know the answer, but I’d love to hear what he has to say. If you ever think about it and have the opportunity, I think it’d be interesting to know. Thanks DOB.
By Chris Beckmann
August 2, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
Dave,
I love your insights on the Braves and I also appreciate the music suggestions and songs but it’s Gram not Graham Parsons. Check out the Gram Parsons Guitar Pull music festival the weekend of September 26-27 in Waycross.
Chris
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
Chris, just a typo. We’re fully aware of our man Gram Parsons’ name. Not the first time I’ve done it, either. Graham Parker, Gram Parsons … it’s easy to do when typing away with no copy editor. Sorry ‘bout that.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
Seeing a bunch of kids at this stage is more exciting than seeing Corky, Kotsay, Norton fill holes.Bobby’s Cox
Corky’s gone (can we please acknowledge that, say good riddance, and move on?), Norton should be on the bench (and is now, more often than not), and Kotsay’s a good, smart player who’s better than Josh Anderson, so I guess I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to see Kotsay play until the Braves traded him (and you don’t exactly increase a guy’s trade value by having him sitting on the bench in August, so other teams can wonder if his back’s OK).
Or do you want to play Anderson because you believe he’s the future in CF? Please. If the Braves can do no better than that, they’re in trouble.
Now Schafer, if they want to play him after Kotsay’s gone, that I can understand. That’d be smart, regardless of what Schafer’s doing this year in Double-A. Cox has seen him in the spring, he knows the kid can hit major league pitching.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
DOB, I’m sorry but watching kids suck is a whole lot more fun than watching all the studs who’ve been 15 games under .500 since the Mother’s Day Massacre last yearBraveheart
I’m gonna assume you haven’t been at Turner Field this week, among the fans (and writers, and broadcasters….) glancing at one another during various moments of these listless games, remarking about what the next two months are going to be like.
By ncgary
August 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
heres one you wont hear on the radio, umless i can get the bruce to buy it, but,
the work of a patriot
can never be undone
is something you will hear eventually, as soon as i finish the score to it and find the right ending
how many turtles do we have reading the blog??
are any of you turtles? if you are , you’ll know how to answer
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
On an entirely different note … Anyone see the highlights on ESPN, the standing ovation that Fenway folks gave Bay? Tremendous. If that extra-innings ball he hit high off the Monster had cleared it, that would have been absolute bedlam. As it was, he got a triple and scored the winning run. Pretty cool stuff.
By Jack Mcmillan
August 2, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
Was at the game last night and was lucky to be sitting 2 rows behind home plate. As I watched Chuck James throw his warm up pitches before game it was apparent he was having control problems. I would venture to say that of his 9 warm up pitches only 2 were strikes. I knew at that point we were in for a long night. Chuck needs master another pitch and he has to get better control or he will be a life long minor league player.
By Cecil34
August 2, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
Random
Antediluvian ravings…..
Well, I can buy into that!
Just call me…
Cecil34 - Antediluvian
But Manny still is an abomination inspite of his ability to hit.
I bet Yaz was sad when he would see him in left in front of the Green Monster…
By JC from UT
August 2, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
what are the chances of re-signing Ohman before he hits the open market? And would anyone like Pat Burrell to plat left field next season. Personaly, I was hopeing that Burrell would be signed to play 1st base and Tex was traded for pitching any thoughts?
By N8
August 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
DOB
“I’m gonna assume you haven’t been at Turner Field this week, among the fans (and writers, and broadcasters….) glancing at one another during various moments of these listless games, remarking about what the next two months are going to be like.”
No I haven’t. But I’ve been watching just the same of TV.
Again, how is it any different than how the team played earlier in the year? Yes, in theory, losing 9-0 is “worse” than a one run loss with zero clutch hitting (especially from your clean-up hitter in April and May), but a loss is a loss, right?
As for you (writers) and the broadcasters? I feel your pain. You’re there to do a job, and that job might get kind of looooooong, in the next two months. So I feel for you. But as you’ve stated many times, you’re not a fan (though I think you have to root just a little bit - if for nothing else to have a happy club-house to go in, and for the enjoyment of “covering” a winning team), but hey, look on the bright-side…..you and Ohman can still talk about The Dude, right?
But I’ll reiterate what I’ve been saying all year (and for 3 years essentially), that my patience will be much greater with a “rebuilding” team that is trying young guys, than with veterans getting paid a TON of money, that causes expectations to be high.
I know you don’t believe me, but for as much as I’ve poked fun of Francoeur this year, he was NEVER the target for me that Tex was.
I’m gonna venture a guess and say that regardless of who we “pick-up” in the off-season (or get rid of for that matter - you know….addition by subtraction), that not ONE of the “pundits” is gonna pick the Braves to do anything. And that’s fine.
In the movie The Devil’s Advocate, John Milton said:
“Never let them see you coming.”
Similar to 1991, that is what this Braves team needs to do. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s gonna happen in 2009.
But that’s OK.
By Lew
August 2, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
I’ve always supported Chuck James (besides Braveheart, maybe his biggest Homer on the blog). However, after watching that painful performance last night, I truly wonder that if instead of working on a third pitch, he forgot how to throw his other two. I seriously doubt some of those balls he threw would have been hit any harder if it was me who threw them (not too sure I could have hit the catcher’s mitt, but at least that would only have resulted in walks). That was brutal and embarrassing. There was very little (if anything) to cite as a silver lining.
Sure hope the House Wren can find some pitching over the winter. We need a number one and number 3 or 4 starter for next year. Time to sign Campillo to a couple year deal and send Royce Ring out of town on the nose cone of a rocket.
By mcgary
August 2, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
cecil i like wild turkey on ice
By R1U
August 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Lots of noise about Manny—-but he is just doing what ownership does and they don’t like it. Is he selfish and self serving, yes…does he produce, duh…I think Manny is a perfect example of what the pundits of the Marvin Miller era were afraid of…no loyalty…$$$ over everything else…small markets would suffer although occasionally surface with stars who later would move on to more$$$….DID I SAY $$$$ A LOT? Look what Huizenga did to Miami. BC is the last of a breed. New leadership has to deal with a ton of non baseball peripherals. I am a Braves fan because of BC. Even if they are experiencing tough times, they maintain an air of professionalism that stands out head and shoulders over the rest. Winning is very important for sure! But, even when we were winning 14 years in a row, there were a lot of empty seats during the playoffs.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
Again, how is it any different than how the team played earlier in the year?N8
If you don’t see a difference, hey, that’s cool. I do. But I don’t feel like arguing the point. No need to. Games speak for themselves, in my opinion.
By SeattleBravesFan
August 2, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Can somebody shed some light on what veterans are taking time away from the young guys that are so badly wanted on the field by some here?
N8, enlighten me, I know you are good at that type of thing.
I just looked at the lineups for the past few days and I don’t see where some old veteran is taking up some spot for a farm guy. Corky? gone finally, but still DOB is right, he’s gone now, so let it be. Norton? rarely plays more than pinch hit duties the last month. Kotsay? Agree with DOB’s assessment there.
Is Prado really that exciting for you all to want him in there alot?
Outside of that, sure there are guys struggling, not having great years. KJ, Francoeur and such. But they are young talents and you don’t just give up on young guys having a bad year.
It appears that we are going to be seeing a whole bunch of the last few lineups. Which to me, while struggling and not playing well, is probably still the best talent on paper that we have.
Somebody show me something more than whining about generic “veterans” and “young guys”
By DP
August 2, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Wow, they finally DFA’s Corky. I guess even Cox has a finite amount of patience.
I’m worried about McCann coming back too quickly. It’s obvious from his comments that the Braves aren’t mathematically out of it and if they won 20 of 21 like the Rockies did last year he’s sure they’d be right there. Clearly he is still addled from his concussion and he shouldn’t be allowed to play in this heat.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Oh, and no need to feel our so-called pain, N8. Jobs actually got a little easier, or I should say less stressful, until offseason. But not nearly as exciting.
By Shamus Thacker
August 2, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
N8, I’m gonna have to agree with you. The reason I rode Hex so hard had to do with fan expectations, including mine. I thought he was gonna give it everything he had, every inning, every game. Then he informs us that he, “always starts slowly.” Just ACCEPTS it, no prob so far as he’s concerned. Our whole season was skewed off course by our cleanup guy not cleaning up till June. Didn’t care what fans, media, management, ownership, or anybody thought. Even at “just” 12.5-mil, that’s a suckwad attitude. Guy didn’t care. We never recovered. I know we’ve had an inordinate number of injuries and subpar performances by others, but it was HE who set the early tone. I honestly wouldn’t want the dude if he played for free. You don’t build championships around such attitudes. He was a blight on this franchise.
If you’ll notice, I’ve recently backed off my enthusiastic hammering of Frenchy. I don’t believe he accepts his obvious shortcomings with the same “don’t give a damn” attitude as hex. I think Frenchy would gladly do something about it if he could. Hex didn’t care enough. Never will. Money yes, baseball and its fans, no. I flat-out detest the guy, a simply disgusting losers mentality. If the freezer burnt head of Ted Williams ever thaws, it’ll tell you what a loser Hex is. He’d hate the guy.
By Run Heap Run
August 2, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
Anyone see the highlights on ESPN, the standing ovation that Fenway folks gave Bay? Tremendous. If that extra-innings ball he hit high off the Monster had cleared it, that would have been absolute bedlam. As it was, he got a triple and scored the winning run. Pretty cool stuff.
And ManRam hit into a double play in the 9th to end the game. Dbacks win 2-1. Heh. Heh. Heh.
*LOS ANGELES — One game into the Manny Ramirez era and it seems the Dodgers can lose 2-1 to the Diamondbacks just as easily with him as without him.
Ramirez was big box office for his Hollywood premiere, the sellout crowd at Dodger Stadium instantly in love with their new hero and cheering his every move — right up until his ninth-inning double-play grounder snuffed out what might have been a dramatic comeback.
“It looked like it was all set up for something spectacular,” Dodgers manager Joe Torre said.
Instead, the Dodgers suffered the same result by the same score as the night before and dropped three games behind Arizona and one game below .500.
By the ninth inning, Ramirez already had two of the Dodgers’ six hits, although one single exploded past shortstop Stephen Drew’s glove and the other was a check-swing, scored a hit only because the opposing pitcher was late covering first.
The opposing pitcher, though, was 44-year-old Randy Johnson, which made for a pretty intriguing second storyline because the Dodgers started 20-year-old Clayton Kershaw. Johnson (9-7) allowed one unearned run and got the win.
“Everybody in the dugout was really excited with Manny there, but Randy sort of neutralized it by the way he pitched,” Torre said. “Our strength is still pitching. You hope with Manny’s addition it helps our offense.”
Kershaw pitched a shade better than Johnson in a no-decision with six scoreless innings for a second consecutive start, lifted for a pinch-hitter as much because his spot led off the sixth inning as the 89 pitches he threw with an arm the organization is determined to protect. He criticized himself for a 28-pitch second inning that ran up his count.
“I felt fine. I could have kept going,” said Kershaw, who allowed four hits, one walk and struck out three. “With Randy throwing, you know you’re not getting a lot of runs, you know that going in. Any time you don’t win it’s hard to focus on what you did right.”
A few runs to work with would have been nice, but even with the addition of a future Hall of Fame cleanup hitter, the Dodgers’ offense looked like the Dodgers’ offense, losing for the 30th time this year while scoring no more than one run.
That only run was something of a gift. Juan Pierre, pinch-hitting for Kershaw leading off the bottom of the sixth, reached base on second baseman Orlando Hudson’s fielding error, then was picked off by Johnson as he broke for second but was safe there on first baseman Tony Clark’s wild throw.
Matt Kemp worked a 3-1 count and laced a high slider for an RBI double to score Pierre and extend his hitting streak to 19 games. With two outs, Ramirez sent a check-swing bouncer to Clark, who ranged to his right and gloved the ball, but Johnson was late off the mound to cover the bag. Kemp got a good jump on contact and decided he would steal a run and score from second while Clark threw to Johnson covering first.
But there was no Johnson covering, no Clark throwing and Kemp slammed on the brakes in no-man’s land halfway between third and home, eventually tagged out in a rundown.
“Just an aggressive mistake,” said Kemp, who has made a number of them on the bases but not many recently. “If Tony throws the ball to Randy, I score. I anticipated him throwing the ball. He didn’t.”
The usually reliable Dodgers bullpen let the game get away. Clark, one of Arizona’s July pickups, had been only 1-for-12 against Chan Ho Park but greeted him with a long home run to center leading off the seventh. Two of the next three Arizona batters reached base and Drew greeted Joe Beimel with a double that landed on the right-field line.
“We shouldn’t be losing,” Kemp said. “They’re a good team, but I feel like we haven’t taken advantage of our opportunities against them. We’ve got to win some of these close games.”
The Dodgers are 3-7 against the first-place Diamondbacks, with four of the past five losses by one run. That’s essentially why they traded for Ramirez.
He’s why the Dodgers sold 30,000 tickets in the first 24 hours after his acquisition and untold jerseys with No. 99, why all of his teammates stopped what they were doing to watch from the dugout as a Manny highlight video preceded his at-bat leading off the second inning.
“I still play video games with him all the time,” said Kershaw, meaning Ramirez is the star of the video game.
He caught all three fly balls without incident. But Manny was being Manny when he trotted after a ball in the gap by Chris Burke that should have been less than a triple, and when he stood and watched the Kemp rundown instead of advancing to an unoccupied second base.
Ken Gurnick is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.*
BTW, DOB I went to high school with Gram Parson’s would be son-in-law. Terrell moved out to L.A. right after graduation and met and married Polly Parsons. After years of living in L.A. they recently moved to Texas and are now working for Rascal Flatts. They have an adorable 2 year old daughter named Harper Lee who I had the pleasure of meeting for the first time a few months ago. Great folks.
By Run Heap Run
August 2, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
I am amused by Dodger fans buying up Manny jerseys when they’ll likely only have him for 2 months.
By Pete
August 2, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
The Braves have turned into an embarrassment to the once proud franchise and to the city of Atlanta. Is there any way they could just forfeit the rest of this season ?? Please ???
By Shaun
August 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
I think last night was a microcosm of what we will see the rest of the season from Bay and the Sox. He makes a diving catch and hits a triple. It’s almost like the baseball Gods were revealing something to any skeptical fans—the little offensive production lost will be made up for by fielding and baserunning.
To the Braves, too bad for Chuck. I think he’s a better pitcher than that. Tavarez looked good. 20 strikes out of 35, plus three grounders and 2 K’s.
By JEB
August 2, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Goals that ARE attainable for the Braves THIS year: 1) Chipper to win the batting crown
2) Braves to be at least a .500 club (or better)
3) BMac 30 HR’s - 100 RBI’s
4) Francouer to hit 250 + 15 HR’s(just to prove he worked through his troubles)
5) Glavine & Hampton to have good positve finish (hope for their futures)
6) Soriano to finish year strong (remove doubts about his elbow)
7) Casey Kotchman to finish year strong (hope for our future)
8) Gonzo to have more than 10 saves and show strength for next year
9) See some good quality starts from at least 3 of our starting pitchers (more hope for the future)
10) Jo Jo to really come back strong (more hope for our future)
11) Break the curse of these one run road losses.
With these goals, and with some promising looks (and results) shown from some of our young guys - we can go into the offseason with some renewed hope for 2009. Then watch and see what Wren & Co. do for offseason acquisitions to better this club.
In the mean time - I really enjoy the game of baseball. Don’t like being on the losing side of things - but I am a BIG fan of the game! Always have been - always will be!!
By southbeachdietfreak
August 2, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Pete…
Obviously, you’re not a season ticket holder…. Besides, you really want those guys to make their millions doing nothing?
By ncgary
August 2, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
well it loks like the antediluvians have returned , surely we must be in gehenna
anyone remember “of montreal” a band from athens
raptures rapes the muses from satanic panic in the attic
not really into goth but with all the antediluvian comments and the stage of the world at present it is mildly appropriate
yeah they are panicking, as time winds down
and i cant believe there are no turtles on the blog yet,
you bet your sweet a$$ i am
well you will have to excuse the antediluvian rant, when you been up a few days trying to be creative , one tends to rant about many things from the past
just to explain for those wandering what this lunatic is saying , according to german folklore, there were vampires during the great flood who werent wiped out with the rest of the world except for noah and his family and they would return right before the end of time as we now know it, they wera also known as antediluvians , of course there are varous other associations of that word , but that one is what reminded me of this
By Lew
August 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
Shaun-You’ll get no argument from me on those goals. That’s what the Braves have to play for. They’re reasonable, attainable and should provide some motivation for a team going nowhere this year. Hope Chipper can get enough Plate Appearances, though.
By BT
August 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
DOB
Is it getting close to the point that the Braves could be thinking that the only way to help Chuck James is a change of scenery?
By McFann Ô
August 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Bruce—
You’re welcome. Yeah, Brian has a lot of class! I was real happy to hear that he caught some bullpen sessions. During the game last night, they showed some footage of him catching (standing up).
I kinda felt bad for Corky when they let him go. (I’m gonna get hung for that.) But, I guess McCann showed great improvement. And they like Sammons…
I want to see him play again, but more I want him to be head/neck healthy…
I totally agree. Very big difference between a gimpy ankle and a concussion. I pray that all of San Francisco’s foul balls go forward, and that the batters take short swings!
DP—
Haha…Don’t worry, he shouldn’t catch till that get out to Cali. It’s gonna be cooler out there!
Run, Heap, Run!—
Imaginary crowns indeed…and I think it’s a little premature to call Sammons a “hometown hero”. Give the guy a break! Didn’t they learn their lesson with Francoeur?
By Gil In Mechanicsville
August 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Want to see listless??? You should have to watch the kids in Richmond play. They have been bad even by the Braves’ farm club standards.
All the clamoring against PEDs hath wrought a bunch of half hearted efforts. Maybe having a couple of guys roided up wasn’t such a bad thing after all, at least there was some fire…
By Supes
August 2, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
What I took from last night’s game at the Ted?
Shaun and KC, I really like reading what you have to say, even if I disagree with it…but if you ever mention the words Chuck James - Serviceable Starter and the Braves in the same post…ah, nevermind. I wish I could have told you so, esp you Shaun. I know KC is our positive blogmaster who gives us these scenarios where Chuck is back as the 5th starter or whatever, but you Shaun, being a numbers guy…the numbers speak for themselves!
Chuck James is done. Finished. Failed experiment. Here is the cold hard truth about Chuck James. The guy is a fragile body, 2 pitch pitcher who can’t get guys out and has little control. When Kyle Davis was struggling last year, I was one of the few who said he’s done as a Brave. Move on. Thankfully they dealt him. Now it’s time for Chuck to go away (via trade), and even if you can get a “B” level prospect, just one I’d be happy and move on. Take my chances with a prospect at this time.
Chuck James has a straight fastball at 89mph, he throws it high, and hitters sit on that pitch, esp. second time through the order. We saw what a good hitting team will do to Chuck James last night.
I had the over/under at 3HR btw before he got pulled so I was wrong, he only gave up the 2 HR balls before he got pulled.
So we shall hear no more blogs about how Chuck James is in the Braves plans for the future. It’s done. Finished. Over with.
Doc Holiday, thanks for replying to metsfaninatlanta, I found it funny and right on for most of your points. However, I want to go back to your trade proposal, about a starting ace. I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. JF, Lillbridge and Jo-Jo for an ace, but give us some names. We know who the big FA starters will be…what about starters under contract that teams want to move? Of course that’s probably a post WS type discussion. A WS that the NY Mets will most likely be watchig on TV :smirk: A small consolation of a prize. Not b/c I’m happy the Mets would lose, but b/c we won’t have to put up with the smugg Mets fans coming in here running their “mouths”.
N8 Completely agree with you that losing with young guys who bring lesser expectations is more tolerable at this point. I’m not as upset when the Braves lose anymore, b/c it’s halfway expected if they do. Injuries have decimated this team and we are not competing for anything but pride and to see what we’ve got for 2009 in some cases.
I appreciate BMac’s comments about them not being mathematically eliminated yet, but come on. Who’s looking at that?
One another little note…The 2008 Braves team are a team where struggling starting pitchers get well against. As DOB pointed out, Suppan was crushed recently and the Braves made him look like Cy Young.
I don’t expect the Braves to win either of these 2 upcoming games against CC and Sheets. If anything, I hope and I know Frank Wren is watching closely, seeing which one of these aces the team can go after in FA for the 2009 season. CC has said he wans to go back west…but what about Ben Sheets? Maybe the Braves can make an offer and he’ll accept, you know pitching for BOBBY COX (rolleyes) type thing.
Last but not least…Great news about BMac back monday against the Giants. Now the thing to watch for is, will this impact him at the plate. Will he be the same hitter. I sure hope so, the Braves need him to be that same hitter.
DOB, is Chipper scheduled to be back next weekend from the DL and how is feeling lately? Any news on Hoss would be appreciated. Thanks you.
By fastasballs
August 2, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
ugabrave No not living in the spirit world. Guess you didn’t actually read my post. I used signing CC & Sheets as an example of a - what if? The what if was a question about what the Braves would give up regarding the draft if they signed two A free agents like CC & Sheets.
If the Braves finish as they are or worse their top 15 draft pick is protected. They would lose a 2nd should they sign an A type free agent. My question what do they lose if they sign two guys such as CC & Sheets. What draft picks would they lose?
Say they sign CC first, their 2nd round pick goes to the Brewers plus a sandwich pick. If Sheets is signed as well, what happens? Do they go to the following year’s draft in 2010 & give up that pick?
I have no doubt that both would not be signed, just interested in what the Braves would give up as far as draft picks if they were both signed.
By McFann Ô
August 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
JEB—
Those seem like good goals…Part of me almost wishes that McCann will hit 48 doubles to break the record for most doubles by a catcher instead of hitting 30 homers…But, I’d definitely love to see him with 30 homers and especially 100 RBI!
Just needs 10 more homers, 20 more doubles, and 37 more RBI…
But I don’t wanna sound greedy here—after all, the man’s missed about a week with a concussion.
Supes—
I can’t help but think it may impact him a little…But, as Timmy once said, “Hey, man, miracles happen!”
We’ll find out soon! (But not soon enough!)
I JUST CAN’T WAIT TO SEE YOU AGAIN!
Come Monday, it’ll be alright
Come Monday, they say you’ll play that night
I’ve spent six lonely daze in a brown empty haze
And I just want you back by my side…
By Shamus Thacker
August 2, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
BT: Is it getting close to the point that the Braves could be thinking that the only way to help Chuck James is a change of scenery?
Yes, is the moon a fit?.
By ncgary
August 2, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
just for the record kyle davies is 4 - 2 this year with an era around 4.5, not outstanding, but not half bad either
By chrisklob
August 2, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
fastasballs
Here’s a quote from Keith Law regarding your question:
“If a team signs more than one Type A free agent, its picks are parceled out to the ‘losing’ clubs in an order determined by the ratings of the free agents the team signed.”
Here’s the link. This quote can be found in the comment section about halfway down the page.
By NCBravesFan
August 2, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
Yeah, the next couple of months will probably be pretty painful to watch - it might get a little better once McCann & Chipper get back … but the pitching is ugly, and not likely to get a lot better from here.
Hopefully Jo-Jo can make it back soon and log some big league innings. It took Glavine a couple of years to figure things out in the bigs, so he’s one guy who I still think could be an important piece of the pitching staff next year.
I hope any trades from here on out focus on getting prospects that could make an impact in 2010. Seems to me we have to know more about Glavine, Hudson and maybe even Hampton’s plans/abilities before we can think about the rotation next year.
By Lew
August 2, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this
Excuse me-I meant JEB for those goals. I guess I’ll have to agree with Shaun some other time. Is it possible? I promise I’ll try.
By Supes
August 2, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
McFann
Ever since the Johnny Estrada play, I’ve been thinking, what if something bad happened to Mac like that? The Braves would be screwed at the catcher position beyond description of words. It would be huge drop off from BMac to Sammons to whoever they’ve got in the minors.
As we know, great offensive catchers come at a premium and are extremely hard to find. I mean there aren’t any more than 5 or so in both leagues combined!
That is why BMac’s health is a big concern every season from now on as a Braves fan.
Brian’s importance to the lineup in consideration of course.
I’m curious to know, now that Clint Sammons is up, and most likely will be Brian’s back up next year, what other catcher prospects do we have at any of the minor league levels for the Braves? It seems that we are kind of weak there, but I don’t follow the minors closely so I’m not entirely sure about that.
BTW…anyone here who wished the Braves can’t go back in time and trade Chuck when his trade value was so high 2 seasons ago? At one point they asked Bobby and John S (when he was still GM) and they referred to him as untradable:LMAO: Yeah right! I bet they can’t ship him off fast enough right about now!
Honestly, I’d rather have Jo-Jo pitching instead of Chuck James at this point.
Chuck James is the the Corky Miller of the Braves pitching rotation! There…I’ve said it and I feel a whole lot better now.
By Supes
August 2, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
NCBravesFan
You are correct about the prospects and 2010. That will be the really telling season for the Braves organization.
Tim Hudson will be back (he’ll miss all of 2009), by then they should have at least 1 other bonified Ace in the rotation from FA or trade, they’ll have an experienced JJJ and Camillo (pray they stay healthy and continue to pitch well).
Glavine, Hampton, Smoltz will probably be all gone so we can all thank them and move on.
Plus everyone who is following the Braves farm system closely tells us that we are 2-3 years away from our big minor league guys to be major league ready to step up and contribute, which would be the 2010 season.
I’m not giving up on 2009 at all, just agreeing with you that the team is going to be built to really compete in 2010 and beyond.
By fastasballs
August 2, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
chrisklob Thanks for the link, that answered my question. Based on that this would be the year for the Braves to sign two A type free agents. Granted, I doubt it happens, but other than their contracts they are not giving away first round picks, just a 2nd & 3rd if they maintain a top 15 draft pick.
By Lew
August 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
NCBraves’Fan-Dude, it matters not in the least for next year what Glavine and Hampton are capable of or what their plans are. The time to part ways with both of them and any other 40+ year old pitcher with injuries has arrived. Even if Smoltz is capable of coming back for some bullpen work (not anywhere approaching definite that he can EVEN come back), only a minor league contract should be offered-and he realizes as much.
The fourteen year streak is a thing of the past. The new streak is three years of futility. Continued reliance on players who were great Braves at one time is foolhardy and most likely grounds for involuntary commitment. It has NOT worked the past three years and sure as hell won’t work next year or in the future. One of the definitions of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. In case most here haven’t noticed, no different results have been forthcoming.
For the first time in over a decade, we have cash and a reason to go in a different direction. Same old just won’t work any longer and it’s high time Braves’ fans and Brass realize this and act accordingly.
Retire Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz’s numbers. Have a huge ceremony and pack the stadium. Rock The Ted to the rafters and let the Big Three know exactly how we feel about them and their contributions to the Braves. Give them all the love they deserve. Cast sculptures for the outside Court of Fame (or whatever) and make Brass Plaques for the Museum. Then go get younger pitchers- maybe a stud free agent and a mid rotation guy in his early 30’s-more capable of pitching 200 Innings in a season. Those three are no longer capable of doing so, no matter how many career wins they have-they have proven as much in graphic terms. Please heed the writing on the wall.
Save the Pen should be the new rallying cry of the Rally Turtle. Get some real innings eaters. We have the money. Now is the time to use it. Send the rocking chairs to the Mets or Giants. They need them more than we do.
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Actually it would be a good idea to give Schafer a taste of the majors, DOB. He is hitting 359 in AA, bringing his average up to 242. Not a lot of homers though.
By fastasballs
August 2, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Supes
The only offensive catching prospect the Braves have would be Tyler Flowers at Myrtle Beach. .275 16HR. Other than him the Braves are very weak at catcher as far as one that would provide anything remotely close to the offensive numbers McCann puts up.
The Braves are extremely lucky to have a catcher like McCann, but it is an injury prone position so hopefully he stays healthy.
As far as other position players go the Braves do have a glut of promising prospects & ones that would be a upgrade to some of the players the Braves have no if they continue to progress as they have.
By NCBravesFan
August 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
Supes I thought I had heard that Smoltz was done as a starter and if he did some back, it would be in the bully.
If so, it brings up some interesting decisions for both the Braves and Smoltzie. If the rotation is still in flux, he could contribute as an inning 6-8 guy (assuming Gonzales and Soriano are kept in their current roles).
With Mike looking pretty good in the closer role, it’s hard to argue that Smoltz should get that job.
But I wonder if a middle relief guy, even though it could be a really important piece on next year’s team, is a role he would rather not assume?
By McFann Ô
August 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
Supes—
I can’t tell you how many times I worry about that! I have a nightmare about it at least twice a month.
Every time the opposition gets a man in scoring position and the batter hits the ball to the outfield, I freeze up, “Is there gonna be a play?!” I think now it’s gonna be even worse…
His health is a big concern, there’s no doubt about that. I can’t wait for him to return, but I’m also half scared to death!
I don’t know what the Braves have in there minors at catcher—I don’t really follow the minors, either. I think they have a guy named Tyler Flowers (is he still a catcher?) Other than that, I have no idea…Sorry.
By Lew
August 2, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Supes-What you need to realize is that McCann, just like Chipper, is impossible to replace adequately if they go down to injury. We, nor any other team, have the backups to do what they do an a daily basis-not even the Yankees, the Red Sox or the Angels.
I agree we could use some better bench players, but replacing those two? Can’t do it-unless you have Russell Martin or David Wright on your bench.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
The pancakes at Java Jive on Ponce … mmmm. OK, time to ride to the ballpark for the CC show. I mean, the Charlie Morton show….
By NCBravesFan
August 2, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Lew I don’t disagree with that, but I doubt the Braves are going to make a big splash in the FA ranks - especially in pitching. With contracts being doled out as they are today, FA pitchers are a real crapshoot (see Barry Zito as Exhibit A).
And any trades for pitching have to be weighed against the strength of the farm system and the realistic chance of competing before 2010 (with or without a #1 in the rotation).
So in my mind Glavine and maybe even Hampton should be at least considered as an option for 2009.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
by the way, Campillo facing Sheets tomorrow. Campillo is 2-0 with a 2.25 ERA in two starts against Milwaukee this season….
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
… on the other hand, Sheets is 6-0 with a 2.95 ERA in his past six starts against the Braves.
But Sheets is only 0-2 with a 5.01 ERA in his past four starts overall.
By Moby Grape
August 2, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
It’s not like the Angels would’ve rescinded their offer of Kotchman and MarekTommyP
You are most likely right, but maybe they would have done a different deal and then no longer been interested. It’s not like they should have been expected to hang and wait till the last minute, if we did something else and they waited and passed up something because of that they’re screwed. I see your point but I have to think that if you work something that you are satisfied with wht take the chance of putting that in jeopardy by waiting. It’s a very fluid market at that time. Bird in the hand dealy IMO.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
One more thing just noticed while downloading stats: Andruw Jones was 3-for-7 in two games vs. Atlanta July 8-9. Since then he’s 6-for-47 (.128) with two doubles, no homers, four RBI, 5 walks and 22 strikeouts.
He has as many GIDPs (two) as extra-base hits in that stretch. And a .226 OBP and .170 slugging percentage.
By Lew
August 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
NCBravesFan-Dude, I bet they go after Sabathia or Sheets and do it in a competitive manner-especially now that Hudson may have pitched his last for the Braves. One would hope he comes back next year, but that is far from a certainty as the surgery can take 1 1/2 years to recover from (as we’ve talked about many times) and he has (apparently) TWO torn ligaments. His contract ends after 09.
We absolutely MUST go after an ace this year. We have in the vicinity of $45 million coming off of the books this winter and McGuirk still contends salary will go up. This is the time to do it. No ifs ands buts or BS.
By justafan
August 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
On Schafer: Cox has seen him in the Spring and knows the kid can hit major League pitching.
Was that before are after the kid took the junk? Are we to believe everything Cox says? He’s the biggest “spin Doc “I know!
Josh Anderson:* Because if you believe he’s the future in CF they’re in trouble.*
They were in trouble before Wren traded for Josh and still in trouble. They never gave Josh a chance, brought him up and didn’t let him play enough to see what he would do. (Hit over 300 last year in Sept call up with Astros) No one ever said Josh Was the Future but he couldn’t have been worse than what they had.
Now rip me up…my opinion. Know we can’t get anything past you.
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
You are welcome Supes, its always a pleasure.
Regarding the ace we can or should go after, well, it would take forever to post about it. But to say the least, if Braves want to content, they need an ace, not a good #2 guy. Even if Huddy was not injured. We have 2 very good starters, but we need that type of “unbeatable” guy. Huddy is great, but he goes up and down. JJJ is great, but in crunch time, we still dont know. So we need a another guy. PERIOD.
The name……….at this moment it could be anybody. It would be speculating, I have no clue. And I dont think Wren or Cox have a clue at this moment. I dont thing guys like Lincecum, Cain and Volquez are moving.
I said yesterday that the angels had the money, but they have 4 bigtime FA at the end of the year. TEX, Lackey, KRod and Garland. They could land 1 of those 2 pitchers and stay with Santana and Saunders. I heard during the angels game yesterday that KRod asked during the season for a new contract (long term) and Angels said NO. So they think he is already gone. This guy has 45 saves already, he is gonna ask for lots of millions, and he is going to get them. We dont care, because we dont need him. I say tha Angels sign TEX and Lackey (his current contract has an option for 2009) and let Garland go.
If Lowe is available, maybe he could be a good acquisition, but not what we are looking for. He would not be as expensive, but then our ace next year would be Jair. Too much for that youngster.
But if Hampton pitches 1 or 2 games this year, where he goes 7 innings, allowing 2-3 runs, I think we have ourselves a very solid 1-3 rotation. If braves resign him, which I think they would do (they have shown they have no problems signing old and injury plagued players.)
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
Garland is good but he aint no ace.
Im not sure if Braves are picking up that great ace we need. They might end up doing what they love to do, live on the edge that is. Signing Lowe and Hampton. Counting on JJJ, Campillo, Lowe and Hampton and trying to fill the 5th spot with Morton and JoJo. And hoping Huddy can pitch late in the season. Typical Braves approach.
By McFann O
August 2, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
Last time the Braves faced C.C., they beat him 5-4. They were down 4-3 heading into the ninth…
That night Bobby had dropped McCann to the eighth spot! Prob’ly cause C.C.’s a lefty…
Anyway, Sabathia was going for his second or third straight CG, but he left the game after giving up two runs in the ninth.
Ah! The Cardinals beat the Fillies last night, I see! Guess them Red Birds cann do something right!
By Jeff321
August 2, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
For all you Hampton groupies:
I might be totally wrong but did find something..
8 years/$121M (01-08), plus $20M 09 club option
09:$20M club option $6M buyout
Let me get this straight. If we exercise the option on Hampton for 2009 it will be $20M ? HA!
And what is this buyout thing? Does that mean if we don’t exercise it, he’s still owed $6M?
By Drummerdad
August 2, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
DOB, Here’s a loaded question for you. And you probably won’t answer. Do you think Scott Boras is good for baseball?
By TommyP
August 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Let’s see….Wren traded for Anderson to be a possibility in CF for the Braves.
In a September cup of coffee last year with Houston, he hit .358.
This year at Richmond, he’s hitting .296 with 28 steals while only being caught 4 times.
With Atlanta briefly this year, he hit .318 with 2 steals.
He’s had 40+ steals every year of his minor league career.
Kotsay: In his career, he’s hit over .300 just one time. His career high in homers is 17. His career high in steals is 19.
Only having seen Anderson a few times, it’s tough to tell if he’s going to continue what he’s done. But he keeps doing the same thing at every single level when given the chance.
I’m willing to take a 2-month look at the kid right now ‘cause I think it’s a solid bet that he could best Kotsay’s career best numbers in 2 of those 3 categories.
Or do you want to play Anderson because you believe he’s the future in CF? Please. If the Braves can do no better than that, they’re in trouble.
The Braves AREN’T doing better. What the hell has Kotsay done in several years?
The Kotsay acquisition didn’t work out. I’m figuring because you’re buddies with Kotsay since his Marlins days that you can’t sit back and view it objectively.
Says something about you as a friend, though. I can respect that.
By MGL
August 2, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
jeff, I think the Hammy buyout was taken care of in the trade to AAtl transaction.
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
some rough stats on Andruw Jones DOB,
makes me think who was the worst braves player.(In no order) 1. Corky. 2.Woodward 3.Fick. 4.Hampton. 5.Redman 6.Aybar 7.A. Jones (2007) 8.Ledezma 9.Albie lopez 10. Rico Brogna 11.Lombard. What you guys think? who is the worst or did i forget someone?
By SeaAtl
August 2, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
I’m terrified that someone is going to claim Corky off the waiver wire!!!!!
By Chop Chop
August 2, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Jeff321,
The Rockies will pay Hampton’s $6 million buyout. It’s ridiculous, but true.
In addition, Hampton’s $20 million signing bonus (minus $1 million for charity) will be paid out over ten years (2009-18).
Hampton doesn’t have to play another game after this season and he’ll still receive $25 million.
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Jeff321
Oooppss, I didnt know that. Guess that means braves are going to have to pay…….looking at it in a different way…….if they dont pay hampton his 20 mill, they lose 6mill. That means if they get a good pitcher to take hamptons spot in the rotation for 15mill they will actually be paying him 21 mill. Maybe they can workout that contract with hampton, it would be hard for him to find offers greater than 10 mill, IMO. Maybe Braves could workout a contract for 15 mill with him. That would be like signing him for 9mill.
Tommy P
Maybe Braves thinking was the same as for Sammons. They wanted him to be 100% ready for the majors. But I agree with you, that guy is pretty solid, maybe even more than Blanco.
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
Devine is 3-0 with a 1.23 ERA in 18 relief appearances with Oakland this year.
It amazes me how he couldnt do that while playing for a players manager.
By NCBravesFan
August 2, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Lew They might go after a #1 pitcher in FA market this winter, but I’ll be surprised if they do. It will be a major shift in philosophy on finances — not to mention those lovely no-trade clauses that a lot of these guys seem to get these days.
Lotsa bridges to cross on that front.
By Jeff321
August 2, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
So.. What happens to the option year of 09?
The reason I bring this up is.. Some of you are advocating for the Braves to “resign” Hampton for 09. So, if he has a $20M option.. Wouldn’t that mean we’d have to pay him $20M for 09?
Or am I missing the point and his “option year” somehow went away?
Personally I don’t think the guy is worth 400K.
By chrisklob
August 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Doc and Jeff321,
Colorado is responsible for Hampton’s $6m buyout next year.
Check our Cot’s Baseball Contracts here to see some of the particulars of his contract.
By Steve from OH
August 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Ring DFA’d. Vladimir Nunez recalled from Richmond.
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Devine has 28 K in 22 IP this year in Oakland
By chrisklob
August 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Jeff321, regarding your 2.51 post, the Braves will decline his option but will still be able to negotiate with him if they so choose.
By NCBravesFan
August 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Jeff321 - Unless I’m mistaken, the Braves can decline the option, pay any buyouts and let him become a FA. Then they can try to resign him.
Given his age and history, unless he starts pitching a lot better down the stretch, it probably won’t matter either way. I just think that if he does show some promise, he’s got to be at least considered an option for next year if the price is right.
By brent a.
August 2, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
On my way to the Ted here in a moment for the first time in several weeks, and perhaps for the last time this season.
This last time I went to see a Braves team that was this bad play was 1987, only I was excited to head to Riverfront Stadium in Cincy that night, because I had never seen my favorite team - the Braves, or hero - Dale Murphy, play.
The Braves won that night and Murphy hit a powerful single to centerfield.
If nothing else, I’ve wanted to catch the Brewers in person for a couple of years now, and tonight is my first chance to see Prince Fielder in person.
Also, of course, interested in seeing CC Sabathia; however, with the offense we’re throwing out against him, it’s hard to get too excited about what we might see.
Hot day (heat index of 100 degrees) and a dominant pitcher facing a patchwork team.
Should be a lot of fun. :-(
Hopefully next time I see CC pitch in person, he’ll be wearing a Braves uniform.
Go Braves!
By ColoradoBravesFan
August 2, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
DOC Devine only made 18 apperances, then was placed on the DL. He hasn’t pitched since May 25th. Kotsay has played solid defense and has done OK at the plate. Only 70 games played.
Cox never trusted Devine and wasn’t going to use him. The trade probably isn’t either good or bad, just a wash.
GO BRAVES…
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
Chipper will be ready to come off DL on Friday, the day he’s eligible. He took infield and hit outdoors today, after hitting yesterday in the indoor cage. Said he feels great….
I see someone already noted that Ring has been DFA’d. Yes, that is official….
There is no truth to the rumor that Lew’s Lanes has offered 10 hours of free bowling for all Braves officials in exchange for Corky Miller’s services in the Decatur Over-30 Fall Softball League.
By NCBravesFan
August 2, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
On Hampton, I might add, if he doesn’t figure into 2009 at all … might as well waive/DFA him in the next few weeks and let that be that.
By NCBravesFan
August 2, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
ColoradoBravesFan - The Braves rushed JD to the majors and he had a lot of baggage here. I agree with you - a good trade for both sides. And Joey seems like a good kid - good to see him get a fresh start in a new town.
By Chop Chop
August 2, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Jeff321,
chrisklob and NCBravesFan have it right. The Braves (though it would be foolish to do so) can attempt to bring Hampton back at a drastically reduced salary after declining his option.
The fact that Hampton will get $6 million next year would make it easy for him to take less money anywhere, but if he doesn’t perform well the rest of this season, he may find himself taking a minor league deal somewhere…or possibly retiring. There are plenty of better, younger pitchers without the recent injury of Mike Hampton available.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Devine is 3-0 with a 1.23 ERA in 18 relief appearances with Oakland this year.
It amazes me how he couldnt do that while playing for a players managerDoc Holliday
Hey Doc, Devine went on the DL with an elbow strain after his May 25 appearance. Hasn’t pitched since.
Made his first rehab appearance a few days ago and got activated today.
By brian
August 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
DOB - since we are talking again about the baby Braves - how would you rank our prospects - the top 10? If you can add a word or two about each one that would be great too.
I do not pretend to be a scout but it seems to me that the rank would be something like..
By Jeff321
August 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Alright thanks for explaining “declining an option”. I just assumed when someone had an option, you either exercised or declined it.
Its really amazing to me how Corky & Ring get DFA’ed now that were out of it! Too bad that didn’t happen a whole lot sooner. And can someone please alert me immediately when Boyer gets the boot!
By bravos2249
August 2, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
But Sheets is only 0-2 with a 5.01 ERA in his past four starts overall.
That usually means the guy will throw a shutout at us.
DOB
If the Braves where to have Hampton pitch next year, they wouldn’t exercise his option would they?
He’s not a 20 million guy, but wouldn’t that make Colorado po’d that the Braves released him and then signed him for a smaller contract around 6-8 million?
Is there a way the Braves could work around that without Hampton getting the buyout?
I wouldn’t think so.
By Chop Chop
August 2, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Uh…
What I meant to say was this:
“…without the recent injury history of Mike Hampton.”
I guess I’m used to there being a recent injury to Mike Hampton.
DOB,
Joey Devine was never really given a fair shot by the Braves or Bobby Cox. They simply rushed the kid, so any success (even if the guy had an injury that kept him out for a couple of months…it happens) that he has as a big leaguer is a testament to his refusal to allow his career to be defined by the mishandling of it.
(Bobby Cox was just as complicit in that as John Schuerholz. The fact that people remember how poorly Joey Devine was handled shows that Bobby Cox usually does a good job with young players. Unfortunately, he didn’t do a good job with Devine.)
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Two good moves this week by Bobby. DFA Corky, and now Ring, it needed to be done.I hope the Braves get Livan Hernandez, to at least eat some innings. and m¡not depend on James nor Morton.
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
jeff321
i just dont see boyer getting the boot.He’s popular in the clubhouse and is not TERRIBLE onfield. yes, he had some bumps in the road.
Boyer was nowhere near ring in era. Hes safe for now. Tavaras might be a different story.
By Jeff321
August 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately, I am not getting the Braves on Fox today. (Angels/Yankees) So, I will be listening on the gameday audio.
Anyway, some guy on Fox just said Tex told him he would be looking for a 10 year contract next year.
So, can we please put the, “Why didn’t we keep and resign Tex” crap to bed, eh!
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Ohman is a big value to the pen since ring is now gone. Closer aside, hes the only lefty in pen. Ring found a way to stick around a full year. Im ok with seeing anyone to “experiment with”. next in line to DFA: Tavaras
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
We’re ready for some ‘ball out here, folks. About 18,000 or so of us, it would appear. Nice, intimate gathering.
By prattvillenolzfan
August 2, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
Did anyone just hear on Foxsports that Texieria is seeking a 10 YEAR DEAL
The only 2 people in MLB that has one is A-Rod & Jeter….
Atlanta was right in getting rid of this jerk….
I don’t know how the Braves would’ve done w/out Tex, but we were a .500 team with him & without him.
I agree with earlier posts about Franceour. Yes he has stunk up the joint, (and yes I’ve been extremely hard on him), but he is showing some sign of improving, and he does seem to want to improve.
Here’s hoping that in the future, the Braves stay away from ANY Boras client….
DOB said Jurrjeans was a Boras client, we need to LOCK HIM UP NOW…If Jurrjeans/Boras refuses, let him play out his option & right before deadline, see what we can get for him……
By BravesFanChris23
August 2, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
Encore Please
Please let Ohman do the Braves lineup again on FOX.
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Omar Infante hitting cleanup today. Only seven of his 1,743 career at-bats have come from the fourth spot in the order, and I’m betting most of those were on double-switches or other substitution situations.
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Morton, still having problems with his control. But at leas thist time he is not leaving changeups over the middle of the plate. His pitchers are going down thats a good sign.
By TennesseePaul
August 2, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
Lew: Yes. They certainly do need to go after an ace starter. Whomever it is though will present a sizable risk. I’d imagine any top notch starter is going to seek deals along the lines of Zito or Santana. And as much as I believe Wren will break from the past, I’m skeptical that he’d sign on for another Hampton like contract. Hopefully they can figure a way to bring in an ace without getting crushed by a contract.
Also, I thought Hudson had two tears in one ligament? One was partial, the other complete… Is it two ligaments or one damaged ligament? And, next year is the last year of his guaranteed contract, and then a mutual option for ‘09 I think. He might be up for that option if his recovery is slowed or something. It’d be pretty much a 1 year deal at 12 million.
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
DOB
who took ring’s spot in roster?
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Kluchman comes thru!!
By prattvillenolzfan
August 2, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
I take back what I just said earlier about Franceour snapping out of it…..
Horrible
By Goodoleboy58
August 2, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
2 runners on and a K on 3 pitches… i’ve never seen nothing like it
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
I know Devine was DLed on May 25th, that does not means that if he was in Braves uniform, same thing would have happened………..
I was not criticizing the trade, we needed a CF. And we had soriano and Moylan, son Devine was expendable. Im just saying that Braves let go a great pitcher, they didnt give him a good chance in atlanta. How come JF does get that and more? same for KJ.
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
I think Frenchy had made a big improvement in the Cardinal series, hitting the ball the other way, and having good patient at bats, but so far in these series he has looked terrible. I hope he can take the approach of going the other way again.
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
I agree with earlier posts about Franceour. Yes he has stunk up the joint, (and yes I’ve been extremely hard on him), but he is showing some sign of improving, and he does seem to want to improve. prattvillenolzfan
Really?? 3 strikes go sit down. Last time i checked he’s still in the low .230’s..just because he had 2 hits the other day doesnt mean a thing.
also TEX 10 years? Whats new for scott Boras! great move Wren. honestly he will get close to it..since hes not a pitcher and the biggest FA there is.
By Goodoleboy58
August 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
Frenchy has 77 K’s this year 33% of them on 3 straight strikes (26)
Ryan Howard has 143 K’s only 21% on 3 straight strikes (30)
useless stats but interesting nonetheless
By ppaddy123
August 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Doc totally agree with your 4:19 post……. Bobby Cox messed that boy up
By bravos2249
August 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Doc
you honestly don’t think Bobby would’ve used Devine more than Oakland did…..of course he’d get the same injury.
By chrisklob
August 2, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
2 runners on and a K on 3 pitches… i’ve never seen nothing like it
You must not have seen many Braves games this year!
By Gee, another K
August 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
I am so sick of Francan’t. He won’t learn, he refuses to adjust. The day he is gone will be one of the best days ever. Ever. But let’s just keep running him out there day after day. Let the rally killer do his magical work game after game. And next year in arbitration, let’s give him a raise.
The worst mistake this organization made this year is bringing him back up. That was an absolute joke. Francan’t is a joke as a ballpalyer. Not a joke like funny, ha ha. He needs to go somewhere else. The sooner the better.
By Goodoleboy58
August 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this
DOC
JF and KJ have atleast produced for us in the past… Devine might have wore his welcome out by setting the record for grand slams given up in the least amount of innings pitched..
On a better note Charlie Morton’s looking good the first time through the lineup… Let’s see if he can keep it up 2nd time around..
By Chop Chop
August 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this
10Paul,
Both injuries were to the same ulnar collateral ligament. Tommy John surgery will get that ligament out of there and replace it with a stronger tendon. If Hudson has any kind of scar tissue breakup after returning next year, it’ll be tough to count on him for much during the regular season. That mutual $12 million option for 2010 will be an interesting situation for the Braves.
By chrisklob
August 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
Was that a four pitch inning?
By David O'Brien
August 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
N Nine, Vlad Nunez was brought back from Richmond to take Ring’s spot.
By the way, Ring had the statistical worst season by any Braves reliever in as many appearances as he made (42) during the entire history of the franchise, far higher ERA and opp. average than Kolb.
Ring’s ERA went up five runs in July, after the Braves stopping using him to just face one or two lefties at a time. That’s the only way he succeeded early, by being used like that. Once he started facing multiple batters, and particularly right-handers, forget it.
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
2 runners on and a K on 3 pitches… i’ve never seen nothing like it Goodoleboy58
Man, you sure arent a true Braves fan, JF has been doing that a lot this year, specially with the bases loaded, you have been missing the action pal. ;-)
By prattvillenolzfan
August 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
N Nine Read my 4:17, I spoke too soon…
Tomas’s post probably sums it up better than I said ……
By Chop Chop
August 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
Manny got 8 years, $160 million from the Red Sox at age 28 back in the 2000-01 offseason.
My guess is that Teixeira will get something along the lines of that contract. Boras will be shooting for more, of course.
By sixfourthree
August 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
DOB,
What’s your take on Frenchy’s attitude and work ethic? Is he still working hard and maintaining a positive attitude? My take is that it’s a yes to both questions but was curious with your thoughts. I was surprised as to how outspoken he was about his domotion to AA. Did this sour his attitude, or was this simply an honest, emotional reaction by Frenchy? Oh, just saw The DARK KNIGHT, outstanding movie. Looking forward to round 4 of Generation Kill tomorrow night.
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
bravos2249
I do, Cox didnt even used him, how could he get injured? maybe an injury like JJJ in his ankle while walking.
Goodoleboy58
Those 2 grandslams you cant call “a past”, how many innings did he pitch in atlanta? He pitched like twice the innings in Oakland in a fourth of the time.
I would trade for him straight for golden boy right now.
By Goodoleboy58
August 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
DOC
Man, you sure arent a true Braves fan, JF has been doing that a lot this year, specially with the bases loaded, you have been missing the action pal. ;-)
Haha I thought about that when I hit submit.. I should have said I haven’t seen it from anyone other then JF since Tommy Gregg lol
By Lew
August 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
BravesFanInNC-Dude, you’re absolutely right that it would be a major shift in spending patterns to go after a stud Free Agent pitcher. However, you need to look at it like this-This is the first time since Greg Maddux was signed originally as a Free Agent (don’t forget that he AND Glavine re-upped once) that the Braves have needed a number one starter that they have actually had $45 million to work with.
Like I said earlier-this is a unique opportunity for the Braves-the first time in well over a decade where they will have financial flexibility (and a good bit of it) to do what needs doing. What needs doing will not have it’s purpose served by re-signing Glavine, Maddux, Hampton or Smoltz (though, as I’ve said, if Smoltz can recover,and pitch from the pen, something could be worked out).
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
Yunel also needs to wake up……..I mean, 6 HR??? Even Reyes has 12…….and he weight half what Yunel weights. He is in pain, yeah right.
This team should drink pain killers instead of gatorade…….pain and injuries, just excuses.
By Gee, another K
August 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
Asking this team to hold a one run lead is like asking an ice cube to stay frozen in a fire.
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
my 2:32post regarding worst braves players ever>. DOB just answered it i forgot KOLB!!! i think he wins..thx DOB!!!
By TennesseePaul
August 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
Chop Chop: Thanks. That’s what I thought. And I now see I typed ‘09 for the option instead of ‘10. As miserable as this season is it has gone by fast. Oh wait, it’s not done yet. Damn will this pain ever end?
By Doc Holliday
August 2, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
I think Kotsay should be gone. If his purpose was to have a veteran in CF I think Blanco might be ready for everyday role next year. Diaz is coming back and you could try Anderson as 4th OF. plus we need power. So there is no room for NEW OF, Diaz, Kotsay, Blanco, Anderson and JF and maybe BJ. Thats too many guys. And Schafer might be ready by midseason. So I would say you have to let Kotsay go and deal matt or blanco or anderson.
By NCBravesFan
August 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
Lew: Oh I understand completely and agree with your analysis. It’s just after a decade of penny pinching corporate ownership, I’ll need to see bold action happen before I believe it.
By Lew
August 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
TenPaul-If Wren can make a trade to bring an Ace starter to the Braves, I’d be happy with that as opposed to bringing in a Free Agent.-but now that Hudson is out, it has become a necessity. I think we need another starter in the 3-4 range, as well. SIGN CAMPILLO NOW!!!!!!!!!! I don’t think we can do without him.
As for Hudson’s option in 2010-Do we really want to exercise a $14 mil (I believe) option on someone just coming back from surgery? Or would the money be better spent finding someone else? I think I’m going with finding someone else.
By Gee, another K
August 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
The offense make CC work in the 1st inning and scored a run, now the impatience has led to a big fat zero.
By Lew
August 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
Doc-Dude, pain and injuries are excuses? I sincerely hope you tear a hamstring or dislocate a shoulder or knee sometime. I would pay for video of your wife throwing you out of the house after becoming sick and tired of your whining, b!tch!ng and moaning about your pain and injuries. You have no concept.
By Goodoleboy58
August 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
how many pitches did Morton throw that inning that was quick… I like to see that.. get CC’s big butt back on the mound lol
By N Nine
August 2, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
must be the DFA season! poronto DFA by astros today. They got rid of villareal a while ago. mlbtraderumors took the time and space talking about corky DFA. also says pierre and A jones will clear waivers..any chance we go for one if dodgers eat contract? i dont see that being a “future” move however.
By TrippyHippie
August 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN: Charlie Morton’s twin brother Farley has returned to his normal life after spending the last few weeks filling in for the pitcher, who was recovering from an unspecified illness. Farley, who is younger than Charlie by one minute, had never played baseball before, but prepared for his role as doppelganger by watching the movie Angels in the Outfield the night before his first start.
By McFann Ô
August 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
The guys on FOX just confirmed that McCann said is available to pinch hit or pinch run if needed.
: D
By jtb
August 2, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
Lew
I’m pretty sure that Campillo is considered a rookie, so the Braves have control of him for a few more years.
By Goodoleboy58
August 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
DOB-
Can you get some quotes from Morton after the game about facing CC… I like how with 1 out earlier in the game he just went ahead and bunted lol classic stuff
By TennesseePaul
August 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Watching the Fox game of the week. Out here it’s the LAA vs the NYY. The commercial comes on to remind us that “There’s only one October”.
Whoa! Wait just one damn minute. I thought there was an October last year. Could have sworn Dane Cook told me that was the only October.
By Chop Chop
August 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Lew,
Don’t you know that pain is just weakness leaving the body? Doc would know how to get these guys to strap on their leotards like real men and refuse to knuckle under to pain.
By justafan
August 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Tommy p Thanks for your comments on Anderson.
Watching the Braves is like being strung out on drugs, you know you shouldn’t but you can’t Quit.
It must be nice to know it don’t matter what you hit, are what you do,Good ole Bobby going to keep you in there. Right Jeff?
Devine problem in Atlanta was Bobby Cox mismanagement.
By Goodoleboy58
August 2, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
Great stretch by Kotchie
By Tomas
August 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this
Good job Charlie. Only one base hit, and one walk. Impressive.
By Jeff321
August 2, 2008 5:19 PM |