Braves

By Blue Magic

July 8, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

uno?

By Joseph

July 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

First :)

By Ron H

July 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

First? Frenchy, your time has come…turn it around.

By Murphy

July 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

DOB, They said last night that Nomo had pitched a no hitter??

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

THB, regarding your post on the last blog…

However, you talk about Salty and Andrus not having a spot on the team and saying that it would be okay to just throw a prospect away because they’re blocked

I never said it was okay to “throw a prospect away.” Salty and Andrus were traded for a year and two months of the best player available at the time to a team only 3.5 games out. And they’ll get, what, a draft pick as well.

But where would we be if we held onto our prospects and traded for Dan Haren?

Well, pitching hasn’t really been that much of a problem even without Smoltz and Glavine. And Haren’s contract is very expensive. And there is no way the Braves should have considered signing Hunter or Rowand for anywhere near the contracts they received.

Also, Haren wasn’t traded until the off-season. The Braves got Teixeira when they were 3.5 out last year.

By doug

July 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

by: Mark Bowman in an article about the Braves worn out bullpen.

Another newcomer to the Braves bullpen Tuesday could be Julian Tavarez, who has been released by both the Red Sox and Brewers this season. The 35-year-old veteran posted a 7.20 ERA and saw opponents hit .356 against him in 16 combined appearances with those two teams this season.

What gives here? DOB mentioned yesterday help was on the way internally or externally, but you have to be kidding me? He ain’t takin’ time from Buddy now is he?

By Ron H

July 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Let me add to that last post… …or else

who are we kidding? the braves are going to give frenchy a big contract (maybe somewhat reduced b/c of recent struggles), but still prob big enough to put him in top 5 company for 3rd or 4th year players…

gooo braves!

By BamaBravesFan

July 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

1st?

By Josh

July 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

the title of this blog made me laugh out loud

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Also, THB, the Braves could get a lot if they decide to trade Teixeira at or around the deadline; maybe even players as talented as Salty, Andrus and Harrison.

By BA

July 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Carlyle is the man.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Yes, could be Julian Tavarez. It’s gonna be someone, probably announced soon as we get to the park in 2-3 hours…

Murphy, Nomo threw a no-hitter; 10 of those for L.A. Dodgers. But only Koufax threw a perfect game for them.

By Jamie

July 8, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

OK I don’t know if this has been breached yet or not! But is anybody else thinking we may need a new hitting coach? It sure looks to me like the last three years except for Chipper, averages are going down. And he only listen to his Daddy. Whick is proability a good ideal for all of us.

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Murphy, Nomo threw a no-hitter in Coors Field, pre-humidor. And he threw one for the Red Sox in 2001 in his first start with the Sox at Camden Yards.

By Bobby's Cox

July 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Braves To-Do List:

Learn a system.

Here in LA, they’re talking the young dodgers are finally learning Torre’s system:

Paying attention is what Torre has stressed to his players. He’s told them to pay attention to what’s happening in the game regardless of whether they’re playing. He’s told them to pay attention to the situation when they go up to hit.

It’s fun when you stay involved and it breeds success like it’s doing right now,” Ethier said.

“Fun” described the atmosphere in the clubhouse Sunday*

I guess it all comes down to situational hitting, in the long run, kind of like KJ’s pop up with Tex on 3rd, 1 out yesterday with the infield playing back. At least KJ showed some frustration.

And yesterday on the way to the ballpark, the great Vin Scully had to remind me of the braves poor road record and that 18 of their next 21 games are on the road.

He also mentioned the braves game yesterday & the delayed flight after. Said that every team goes through it once or twice a year & the braves would have to fight through it. Boy didn’t they.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Great song.

The telling part of the Braves of the last couple of years is their almost perfect consistency when it comes to not coming up big when they need to.

Of course anyone can face a pitcher when he’s on and get smoked, but how many times over the past 2 years has this team “needed” a win or “had to have” a series and went the opposite way.

They needed a strong finish going into the break, they GOT 1 hit by a 4-6 pitcher.

Not saying they won’t turn it around, and I remain cautiously optimistic, but it would be out of character for this team to rise to the occasion.

Still they could. And if they don’t? Well, life goes on and it’s like Zevon said in his last Letterman interview “enjoy every sandwich.”

Warren Zevon, the only man I know to ever work the word Bruscelosis into a rock song.

By pfunkatl2

July 8, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Now is the time boys…step up or throw in the towel. Look for Tex to move, and SOON, if we don’t come out with a winning road trip. Wouldn’t be a BIT surprised to see some more changes as well.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

I was about to make a similar response to THB. You beat me to it!

In addition, the Braves need production from the OF more than another SS (Andrus) or C (Salty). Keeping them would not have solved this team’s problems.

I do agree with THB that the Braves might be wise to avoid future trades involving Boras clients who are likely to score big on the FA market. This would rule out Matt Holliday, BTW, who will be looking for a Tex-like contract at the end of 2009.

By Coach Smith

July 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

For all of you DYING TO TRADE TEX “to get younger” or “fill holes” or “rebuild” PLEASE READ THIS

Which “holes” should the Braves fill?

THEY ARE TOOOOO YOUNG ALREADY

Who, or what are you trading him for?

RF- Frenchy is 24 and cheap for 3 years

CF- Blanco 24, Kotsay here now, and Schaefer next year

SS- Escobar 25 and cheap

2ndBase- KJ is 26, Prado is 25 both cheap

C- McCann 24 all-star

3b- Chipper for as long as he wants

SP- Jair Jurgens 22, Campillio 29, JOJO 25, Huddy 31, then Morton

RP- Soriano 27, Gonzo 30, Boyer 27, Acoasta 27, Bennett 27, Moylan 29

So why should they tear down? Who should be replaced? How can they possibly get much younger?

Really and LOGICALLY the Braves’ biggest need is a LEGITIMATE Left Fielder……

…and maybe One more STARTER who can be here for a while (2 starters if Smoltz doesn’t come back or you move Campillio to the pen)

there are also alot of prospects at those positions in our minor leagues so I would argue that the Braves need to keep what the they have and add a couple of ML proven pieces

Comments?

By Braveheart

July 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Some on sports radio here in Atlanta are speculating that Cox was the one who bullied Wren into recalling Francoeur. But I dunno. On first listen, Wren didn’t really sound like he was thinking about recalling Frenchy yesterday morning on the radio interviews he did. But then all of a sudden, Frenchy was recalled just a few hours later. Kinda fishy.

But in thinking about the interviews he did in hindsight, you can believe that Wren was thinking hard about a possible recall in the morning and was just waiting for all of the reports to come in from Mississippi as to Francoeur’s status outside of the results. Wren did say in the morning interviews that his people were scrambling around that morning trying to find bodies to get to L.A. and Wren did keep talking in the morning about how Francoeur went 4 for 5 with opposite field hits.

In hindsight, although he didn’t come out and say it, it sounded in the morning like Wren was dealing with an emergency due to the injuries and was trying to convince himself to justify the recall of Francoeur.

He may have not been entirely ready to say he was recalling Francoeur because the reports from Mississippi weren’t in yet. Wren did make a point of saying in the morning that he receives daily updates on all of the minor leaguers.

He probably did not come right out in the morning and say he was considering a quick recall of Francoeur because he didn’t want to cause further damage in his relationship with the kid if he decided not to recall him. And he probably didn’t say in the afternoon interviews that he would rather have Francoeur in the minors for another 10 days and that injuries had forced his hand in the recall because that would also further damage his relationship with Francoeur. Francoeur might want to consider that the next time he goes popping off at the mouth - Wren put his neck and reputation on the line for Francoeur.

Although I don’t agree with Wren’s hasty decision to recall Francoeur, I did admire the way that Wren was willing to throw himself to the wolves by agreeing to sports radio interviews on both sports radio stations in the morning AND in the afternoon. Unless he was about to have his arse royally kissed, His Highness Schuerholz rarely lowered himself to justifying his moves to the little people.

Wren easily could have justified his puzzling Francoeur moves by belittling Francoeur in the afternoon by saying the kid ain’t really ready for the recall, he belongs in the minors but we simply don’t have the necessary bodies at the major league level right now. He didn’t do that when he easily could have done so for the sake of protecfting his own name and reputation. I don’t have much of a problem with what Francoeur said but I do think Francoeur really had better think long and hard about how much others in the organization go out of their way to protect Francoeur. People are protecting Francoeur to their own detriment. If this move backfires, Francoeur can always find another team to play for - Wren may never find another team to general manage if this opportunity doesn’t work for him.

Hopefully, Francoeur can turn it around. Leo Mazzone made some good points on 680 this morning about things he did with Leibrandt, Smoltz, and Avery during emotionally fragile moments to get them turned around quickly.

By BravesFan79

July 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

“The starters have been doing such a good job and they’ve been getting deep into games. That’s why for three weeks before last weekend I didn’t pitch at all, because guys have been doing such a good job.”
Yea GREAT Job by Cox to keep using a slumping Acosta and Boyer instead of changing it up weeks ago.
Ive always liked Buddy C as a pitcher for us. Makes a great 5th starter because you know hes gonna battle!

By Braveheart

July 8, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

THEY ARE TOOOOO YOUNG ALREADY

Coach Smith, ‘nuff said right there. They don’t have the stomach to deal with the growing pains of 24 year olds but somehow think they are tough enough to stomach the growing pains of players younger than 24. Whatever.

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies, but it’s not as big a deal as some are making it that the Braves are going to lose Teixeira. He impacted two seasons and, again, they traded for him when they were 3.5 games out. At the very least they get a draft pick plus the best player they could have received for a year and two months.

Yes, things seem pretty bad right now but imagine how bad they’d be if they had to play guys like Scott Thorman, Julio Franco, Matt Diaz, Craig Wilson, Chris Woodward, Norton, Prado, Infante at first base from July 31 of last year to today.

They went for the playoffs with Teixeira and it didn’t work out, and it wasn’t his fault. And to go for it, you sometimes have to make trades that give you the best chance. The Teixeira trade was the best deal they could have made to increase their chances in 2007 and 2008.

By Cecil34

July 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Sometimes a family has to unfortunately get together to decide whether to allow heroic measures or to pull the plug on a terminally ill patient; the Braves upper managment in a scant few days will have to weigh the benefits of obtaining a “bat” as DOB says, or taking a conservative route and accept their 2008 fate.

Just as there would be discussions of the “quality of life” concerning effecting heoric measures on the patient, so management must ask if the “bat” is going to be enough to put this team over the top.

Because the “bat” could be costly, and comes with no guarantees whatsoever.

In addition, there may discussions as to the fact that there could be other lingering issues besides the “bat” that would still preclude this team being competitive.

It is obvious that the division’s participants up to this point are not really taking charge of it and making this a no-brainer decision by the Braves.

And that is what keeps this cesspool of a season circling around the bowl, endlessly frustrating us and putting the final decision, whatever it is, off.

There are undoubtedly intangibles of spirit, enthusiasm, confidence and extreme motivation that permeate a winning or competitive team. We all have seen it time and time again in the sports world.

Except for a brief moment on Sunday night, there has been none of that on this team.

Can the “bat” bring it? Will it matter?

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Another good song for the Braves fro this road trip would be Hotel California:

I was thinkin’ to myself

“This could be Heaven, or this could be—”

Well, you get my point.

they GOT 1 hit by a 4-6 pitcher.

Hey, at least Kuroda’s not a lefty. Then the Braves wouldn’t have gotten anything!

By KC

July 8, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith: I think you make some very valid points.

Here’s my vote (as though I get one):

Take a look at where the Braves are 2-3 weeks from now, and if we’re 4 or 5 games out at the trade deadline approaches… then plug the holes in the roster and give it your best shot.

There’s really only one gaping hole on this team, and we all know what it is… the need for a big right-handed bat.

I think we should look to add a couple smaller pieces beyond that. Maybe another proven middle-reliever that can be trusted in the latter innings, and maybe one more hitter who can help us against lefties. At the risk of causing a few eyes to roll… I still think Freel would be a great platoon mate for Blanco in the leadoff spot.

However, if we lose ground, and find ourselves 7 or 8 games out at the end of the month… I would certainly entertain any worthwhile offers for Tex.

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith, they youngest player you listed is 22 and a lot of them are 24. If they are going to trade Teixeira, why not try to get a quality leftfielder and/or a pitcher around 24 so that the Braves are loaded in two years with players in what should be their primes?

I don’t think that would be to re-build or to get younger, per se. It would just increase the Braves opportunity to win their next best chance they get.

By Gene

July 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

I like the maxim, hit the ball, throw the ball, catch the ball. I guess we should add “run” to that list.

By Coach Smith

July 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

I am listening to 680 the Fan, and as much as I love Buck and Kincade….

KINCADE is talking out of his @ZZ about the Braves needing to trade TEX and “rebuild”

Again, read my previous post, THE BRAVES HAVE BEEN REBUILDING ON THE FLY FOR 2 1/2 YEARS….

They are already young

Why, when you have a cornerstone young piece like TEX, would you trade him and create EVEN MORE HOLES FOR YOURSELF?

DOB you talk to these guys… it is easy to tell that KINCAID is just loving the Braves’ stuggles as he is a Phillies fan….He is on the radio telling the Braves fans that it “is over” “sell, sell, sell” “rebuild for the next 2-3 years”

Well I guess he would just love that as a Phillies fan!

As irritated as the Braves make me, i can’t see giving up when you are 6 games out with 73 to play

By HighCheese

July 8, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Please…no…Julian…Tavarez…

By John

July 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

The young outfielders can’t develop and get to Atlanta quick enough.

This lineup is the worst I’ve ever seen.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

A lot of discussion about the Braves going after Nady and/or Bay.

Here’s a player I’ve grown to like: Ryan Spilborghs. He’s really a corner OF forced to play CF because Willy Taveras stinks. His OPS this year is .914 (and a solid .829 away from Coors). He’s stolen 7 in 9 attempts playing roughly half-time.

And he can flat mash the ball.

The Rox will probably be sellers pretty soon. I’d like to see him in a Braves uni.

By Jim

July 8, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Relax guys. just enjoy the game afterall it is just a game. I enjoyed it just as much in the 70’s as I do today

By 22oz

July 8, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Julian Tavarez just doesn’t makes sense. A guy who keeps getting booted off teams for his attitude isn’t somebody the Braves pick up. But i guess if Cox can control Sheffield he can control Tavarez.

By GotCurry

July 8, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

What this team needs is offense. Our pitching has been great despite all the injuries. Teixeira is starting to heat up, everyone can see that. Why would you want to trade him now? Blanco has proven that he can hit lead-off and play outfield. Kotsay is decent. When Diaz gets back, I think he and Kotsay could platoon in the outfield, since Blanco can play left or center. I hate to pick on Francoeur, but he is the only weak link in the outfield. Who knows, he might get hot after the allstar break. If he doesn’t, put Blanco out in right with Diaz in left and Kotsay in center. I don’t see how trading away our biggest run-producer is going to help this struggling offense.

By THB

July 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Shaun-My point wasn’t about getting Haren at the deadline. It was that I think we could have gotten more for our prospects. We could have gotten an ace who is not a Boras client and possibly signed him longterm. Even if we hadn’t signed him longterm, we would have him for at least 2 full seasons (Both Haren and Bedard are signed past this year). Then all we had to do this offseason is find a 1B and CF.

I just think we’d have been better off had we not rushed into Tex and worked a deal in the offseason for Haren. Of course we could have never known that, but it looks like Tex has just been a disappointment, overall. I agree it’s not the worst situation in the world and not a bust by any means. But the Braves haven’t won with him and there’s a good chance we let him walk.

By pfunkatl2

July 8, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

NOT saying here that I think the Bravos SHOULD dump Tex, just pretty sure that they WILL if they can’t keep above water on this trip. I hear the Bosox are trying to get him ALREADY and there will surely be other interest.

By Bobby's Cox

July 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

A move to get a bat, preferably a right-handed bat, would certainly help the cause, because this Braves team has been shut out eight times and has a 1-25 record in games in which it’s scored two runs or fewer

Good reporting DOB. But beware, I mentioned the same thing last week and the bloggers had it out for me. Although I was suggesting the braves would learn some situational hitting and push across 1-2 more runs per game while they didn’t have an extra power bat.

When I watch this team, I still see every hitter trying to do too much. Even with the acquistion of Tex last year, the braves in the last 2 months of 2007 (like i said last week) were like 4-24 when scoring 3 runs or less, and 24-5 when scoring 5 runs or more (i forgot the original numbers I posted), good for a record 1 game over .500. But in any event, the team relys too much on power, and should be doing little things to increase run production during games.

If i remember correctly, the braves won 13 of 18 in late April/early May. During that time, we saw a lot of bunting, hitting & running, & some sac flys to score runs. Later in games the braves would hit a HR to put the game away. I don’t remember any big HR’s lately from the braves in close games except, Francoeur’s game winner, and maybe KJ’s grand slam which again, had put a team away for good.

If the braves get a right handed power bat this year, they’ll be in the same situation next year as they’re in right now when they lose Tex.

It’s time for the Braves hitters to learn how to push runners across, learn situational hitting, try to hit singles & gappers instead of taking big hacks. That’s on TP, and Bobby Cox.

The young Dodgers are learning a system in LA

By Matt the Brave

July 8, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Just a quick question…what’s up with Bennett’s shoulder? Just overworked? Also, what’s the status on some of the other injured players for the Braves and how soon might they be back? Thanks!

By JB

July 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

John.

Do you really think this is the worst line up you’ve ever seen? Have you not watched the games against the Nationals? I’d say their line up in far worse. Along with the Padres, Dodgers, Indians, Mariners, and Royals…just to name a few.

By Run Heap Run!

July 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Don’t go there, McFann!

Maybe Frenchy in the lineup tonight (he will be, won’t he?) will give the team a spark? I know, I know, I gotta be careful going out on those limbs but hey, it’s something.

By Jeff R

July 8, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Shaun, Super Tex wasn’t what the Braves needed last season. They needed a quality starting pitcher. None were available. Instead, fans got a lot of hype about Super Tex (remember, with him the Braves were a cinch to make the post season?). Didn’t happen. As you said, not his fault, because - to repeat - hitting wasn’t what the team needed most last season.

Wren would be smart to entertain offers for Super Tex. A draft choice next year is poor compensation for the five prospects the team surrendered to the Rangers. A solid pitching prospect and near-major league ready third base prospect would be attractive, if a deal like that could be had.

By Braveheart

July 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

DOB you talk to these guys… it is easy to tell that KINCAID is just loving the Braves’ stuggles as he is a Phillies fan….He is on the radio telling the Braves fans that it “is over” “sell, sell, sell” “rebuild for the next 2-3 years”

Coach Smith I don’t think Kinkade cares how well the Braves do other than how it affects ratings. The best way to get ratings now is to jump all over the Francoeur issue and to say give up and dump Tex. He just wants to tick people off so that people listen more, call in more, his show gets more ratings and advertisers and he makes more money.

If anything, the Braves doing well means good things for him. The Braves going deep into October will help him get better ratings in September and October when the radio ratings books really matter big time to the stations and their advertisers. But for now, in June, July, August, the story that will sell by ticking you off is to say that the Braves stink and they need to sell. Hence, why he is saying so.

Ticked off listeners supposedly tend to listen more than listeners who agree with the host. Ever see that scene from Private Parts where they discuss that people who hate Howard Stern listen longer to Howard Stern than people who love Howard Stern.

By Supes

July 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

TEX should be traded only if the Braves are out of it (which is 99% sure they will be), and if they get a good deal. Not just for the sake of “well, we’re out of it, we don’t want to compete for his services at above 20 mil per season, and we need to trade”.

If they can get a top tier OF prospect with POWER, like the Indians did with Matt LaPorta, plus a top tier pitching prospect, swing the deal.

Braves 2 biggest needs are a power outfield prospect and flame throwing pitcher.

We don’t have a power arm in the starting rotation, and yes that is a need. Can’t count on Smoltz returning sometime next year.

Huddy isn’t a power pitcher, neither is JJJ, Jo-Jo, or Morton.

We need that guy who throws 95-98 consistantly with an off-speed out pitch.

Not sure about Yankees, Red Sox prospects in the minors, if anyone fits the bill…but those two positions…a power outfielder and a power starting pitcher would be worth trading TEX by July 31st if the Braves are out of it.

I think B. Heyword could always move to 1B if it came down to it and learn the position. He would then become our future prospect at 1B.

By RC

July 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Anyone saying “This is the worst lineup they’ve ever seen” must have not been watching the Braves for more than a couple of years.

Lineup from August 5th, 2001:

2b Marcus Giles LF BJ Surhoff 3b Chipper Jones RF Dennis Martinez CF Andruw Jones C Javy Lopez SS Rey Sanchez 1b Wes Helms P Kevin Millwood

We had freakin’ Dennis Martinez at cleanup! And were playing REY SANCHEZ! Btw, that was Martinez’s last year in the majors…here was the YEAR line for the guy we had hitting cleanup for a portion of the year:

120 games 33 runs 11 doubles 3 triples 2 HR 20 RBI .287 avg

20 RBI from the cleanup spot….I rest my case.

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

YO DOB

I got a good laugh when I read your thoughts on ever-changing prospect ratings on the last blog.

Only b/c in my first week of Gulf Coast League play I was playing the most awesome ball of my life, just being pumped up about being there and all can make you play like a man possessed. I got a few of those back-pats and you-could-be-the-next-so and so comments and those words put me on cloud 9. Then I came back to reality and had a few regular weeks and then a 5 game slump and I was the next nobody. ALL in a MONTH. LOL

Yeah , fickle ain’t the word but it works. But you can’t explain it to people who only want to see the world their own way. I’ve still got the game ball I hit outta the park for my first game-winning homerun. I also have the coach’s nameplate off of his desk from my last day in the minors. Had to take something to remember it all by. LOL

By KC

July 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Hamels on the mound tonight against a schmo… gotta get a win tonight - in all likelihood - to avoid losing a game to Phili.

By Run Heap Run!

July 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

I really hope Tavarez isn’t coming. Yuck.

By Braves Lover

July 8, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

No, I’m not impressed that JF hit over .500 at AA level. No, he hasn’t been there long enough to make a difference in his swing. No, in the long run his attitude wont’ change although it will be better for a couple of weeks. Yes, JF is a high maintance player who much be babied and told how wonderful he is so that he doesn’t pout. Yes, the marketing department is trying to make chicken salad out of chicken poop with JF. Yes, I hope Mr. Wren’s neck is safe ater sticking it out so far for someone who doesn’t care for anyone but himself. No, I wouldn’t have done it.

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Run Heap Run!—

You mean the song? Yeah, sorry about that…

Yes, please be careful out there on that limb! (Hope it’s not maple!)

By StingerSplash

July 8, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

Kevin Brown - surling, or surly? Last night’s game was over so quick I had time to kill before “Hogan’s Heroes” came on TVLand.

By ATLiens

July 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Julian Tavarez……… the same man that cried buckets after the braves beat his indians in the ‘95 WS

By Supes

July 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

*Hamels on the mound tonight against a schmo… gotta get a win tonight - in all likelihood - to avoid losing a game to Phili. *

Well, with the Braves pitching matchup against Billingsly (the way he’s been on a roll) the prospects of a win are looking mighty grim. Lineup got manahandled last night, will tonight be any different?

About Kincade…I’ve been listening to 680 now for a long time, and I don’t think he is enjoying the Braves losing. He’s admitted (take it for what it is) that after the Phillies, he cheers for the Braves, which b/c both teams are in the same division, always competing against each other is kind of a catch 22.

When he give you the numbers about the Braves chances to win the NL East…they are about zero right now. He’s correct about that. It’s not that a team can’t come back to overtake the division leader when trailing by 6-7 games…it’s the fact that the Braves have to jump over 3 teams to do it, which has never been done. Not once.

We can forget about the NL wildcard, that’s coming out of the central.

Only hope is the NL East, and it’s looking against all odds right now.

By flange1

July 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith,

I think you are missing the point on Tex.

The real choice is not to trade Tex but whether to sign him or not.

If you decide to resign him, then prepare to spend 20-23 million a year for 6-7 years. You will have to compete with the Mets, Yankees, maybe the Sox and others and it will be a financial bloodbath.

You have to make the decision to spend whatever it is takes to get him.

OR, you make the decision NOT to sign him. If that is the case, you then have 2 choices.

Keep him and try to win and get 2 draft choices. With the Braves history they will be high school players that will not the majors for 4-5 years.

Or trade him for current players or prospects that are closer than 4-5 years away from the ML roster.

You say we have all the minor league players ready to fill in in LF and 1B and pitching, but I would like to see who you are talking about.

As I see it, the Braves will NOT get into a bidding war for TEX. I cannot think of ANY player the Braves have EVER signed as a FA that the Braves offered MORE money for than the rest of the teams.

So then you have a straight forward decision, do you want 2 prospects from high school or someone that is more advanced.

Thoughts?????

Braveheart, I know you want to sign Tex. DO you think the Braves will win a bidding war for Tex?

By Coach Smith

July 8, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Shaun

If the Braves do what you say and trade TEX and get a Left Feilder…

Then you will have filled a HOLE in left and CREATED a HOLE at First Base

That makes no sense

Next year 14 mil of Hampton is gone, 8 mil of Glavine is gone

Take that 22 million and give it TEX

Then the payroll is pretty much the same, then go after a Left Feilder and Pitcher either through trade or free agency or both

Yes that will RAISE the payroll BUT Liberty Media, WREN, and SCHRUHOLTZ have said that there is “no payroll limit” and that “Liberty media wants to win and will spend money to do so”

Those 3 steps will fill pretty much all Fixable holes

By Hit Heap Hit!

July 8, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Anyone saying “This is the worst lineup they’ve ever seen” must have not been watching the Braves for more than a couple of years.

True dat. The Braves have always had about 4.5 legitimate major leaguers and about 4.5 scrap heap/young/experimental players in the line up.

New name for inspiration. If he goes on a tear tonight I get all the credit. :)

By doug

July 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Tavarez isn’t going to start crying again, is he?

By KC

July 8, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

As for KINCADE …

I would NEVER consider listening to a LOCAL Atlanta sports-radio show that is hosted by a Phillies fan. Frankly, that sickens me. Isn’t there a rather vocal Yankees fan there as well? I don’t listen much (please see above stated reason).

By jbutler

July 8, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

So…is the pressure that Frenchy and everyone else are putting on him to “have a monster 2nd half” any better than the expectations that lead to him hanging in the Bayou for his quickie demotion?

DOB Think this road trip will determine whether Braves ship Tex or not?

Saw a hilarious clip on ESPN of the broadcasters doing a stand up w/Smoltz popping in/out making wild gestures. Guess that shoulder feels better!!

By Paddy McGillicutty

July 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

What time do Braves shows come on the radio in ATL and do they offer streaming broadcasts online? I’d sure like to listen and I’m out here in Dallas.

By KC

July 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith: If Tex winds up essentially the post-all-star NL MVP… then I would support the Braves offering him 22 mill for 5 years.

Otherwise… gosh, that’s a lot of money… even if you have it (which the Braves apparently do).

By wiki

July 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

RC Its Dave Martinez. Dennis was a pitcher.

Tavarez…..never liked that guy.

By Graham

July 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Anyone saying “This is the worst lineup they’ve ever seen” must have not been watching the Braves for more than a couple of years.

I agree that the 2001 line-up was horrid. The problem that lies herein is that for the last two years, the Braves have had a better line-up than August 5th, 2001 and have failed to make the post-season. What will they do to correct it?

By Ben Davenport

July 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, any explanation to why the Braves kept Corky Miller and let go of Pena? I know that Miller’s defense is better, but when you are playing once every ten days wouldn’t it have been nice to have a switch hitter on the bench?

I know thats not the reason the Braves can’t score, but Pena would have helped at least keep McCann rested and healthy for the second half (I am thinking his numbers will drop, but hoping I am wrong).

By Coach Smith

July 8, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

flange1

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I did NOT say we have prospects ready at LF and 1b….re-read it

The prospects we have are at positions that are being played by young players in the MAJORS already

SS, 2nd, C, CF, RF, Some young Pitchers, and Reilevers

So besides Schaefer

where are those guys in the minors going to play? Guys like…..

Brandon Jones, Gorkys, Diore, Perry, Anderson, Lilabridge, Lerew, or even Chuck James

They are blocked by young better players so YOU MGHT AS WELL trade them to fill holes on the Major League roster or let them waste away in the minors

Use them to get you a LF and/or another pitcher fill the other hole in Free Agency

And keep TEX at first b/c that is one position where you have NOTHING in the near future in the minors

By ncscoots

July 8, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

We need that guy who throws 95-98 consistantly with an off-speed out pitch.

geez-louise, Supes, LOL, you don’t want much, huh? What, 94-95 not enough for you?

Maybe you can pop up that list of guys who throw 98 in the 7th inning, and feature a plus off-speed pitch, to boot.

Shouldn’t take long to write it.

By Acorn(Jeff Francoeur is the worst Right Fielder in the National League)

July 8, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Can anyone really see the Braves selling at the deadline? They will never sell. They’ll think Francoeur will save them with his mighty .280 OBP.

By JohnGTFan

July 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Why is everyone trying to figure out a way to save a season that cannot be saved. Most of us knew in April this team was average at BEST! Too old and not enough talent right now. “Potential and age” is what the Braves have. Yes, Tex should be traded. I’m obviously torn on that subject loving the Braves and him being a GT guy…but face facts…this team CANNOT make the playoffs this year, and TEX will not stay here with the millions he’ll get in NY, Boston or Baltimore. Get as much as you can and prepare for the future…don’t kid yourselves…ATL will not only not make the playoffs, they probably won’t finish above .500. DOB this is the reason that everyone is already talking about football season. We need SOMETHING…ANYTHING to look forward to. Because ATL baseball and late October are things of the past.

By Hit Heap Hit!

July 8, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

*By Paddy McGillicutty

What time do Braves shows come on the radio in ATL and do they offer streaming broadcasts online? I’d sure like to listen and I’m out here in Dallas.*

I have the mlb radio so I can listen at work when they have that once a month or so Thursday day game. It’s 14.99 per season. I couldn’t find a live stream for free online and I don’t like to miss any Braves games so it’s worth 14.99 to me. If someone knows a free site then I’ll certainly bookmark it for next season.

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

Hit Heap Hit!

Yes, please do!

Hit Heap Hit—

Same as RHR, I presume. OK, if he tears it up tonight, the credit is yours.

Who’s to blame if he doesn’t?

(Just kidding ; ) )

By Efrim

July 8, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

NcScoots

Maybe you can pop up that list of guys who throw 98 in the 7th inning, and feature a plus off-speed pitch, to boot.

Shouldn’t take long to write it.

Felix Hernandez and Tim Lincecum. Maybe Clayton Kershaw(although that is a bit premature).

Even though it is more like 93-96 with the fastball for Kershaw and Hernandez. Other than those three, I’m not quite sure how many guys can hold there velo in the 7th. Maybe the guy we are seeing tonight.

By AGTfan

July 8, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

OK. The new blogs been up for 2 hours and most of the necessary elements have already been posted. Someone’s already bashed Bobby Cox. Someone’s already bashed Jeff Francouer. Someone’s already bashed the trade that brought Tex. Someone’s already called for Tex to be traded. Someone’s already called for Tex to be signed at any cost. Someone’s already called for the Braves to go out and get Nady/Bey/Freel. A few of the regular suspects have made rational, well reasoned posts (Shaun, Braveheart). All that’s left before being ready for a new blog is for someone to bash Andruw, the Braves to play, and to get to our normal ratio of 5 ignorant bash and trash posts for every 1 well reasoned post.

By woogidy

July 8, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

Taveras it is.

By Supes

July 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

ncscoots

The exact speed is not the sticking point. An example is a Jaba Chamberlain type prospect, that’s what I’m saying by a power arm.

I mean anywhere in the mid 90’s is a power arm.

We need a legit 30+ HR hitter in LF (prospect would do) and a legit power pitcher.

If both can be had for TEX, and the Braves are 1. Out of it 2. Have no inteions of getting into a bidding war for his services…then trade him for those 2 needs.

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

I think people are forgetting that Tex is already making $12 million this season. What we’re talking about is paying him $6-10 million above his current salary to stay a Brave.

Those saying that the braves “can’t ” or “won’t ” resign him aren’t looking at the payroll picture correctly.

As others have pointed out, the Braves will have money to spend this winter.

If the Braves will have some $22-35 million available,then the Braves will have more than enough to pay Tex , a frontline pitcher, and acquire a bat.

I think some people are also confusing their own personal feelings about overpaying athletes and substituting them for the capabilities/willingness of the Braves.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves IN 2009)

July 8, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, More than one blogger disagreed with my theory in the previous blog that some head butting within the Braves organization was going on concerning the demotion and hasty return of Jeff Francoeur. No one individual would have made such a drastic reversal in the decision making process unless some arm twisting went on.

All is not happy, happy, joy , joy within the ranks of management and upper management and no one will convince me otherwise.

Concerning the probability of trading Teixeira, if the Braves cannot win with him in the lineup, how the HELL ARE WE TO EXPECT THIS TEAM TO PERFORM ANY BETTER IN 2009 WITHOUT HIM?

And yes, that question is loaded like a live grenade. I’ll get ready to jump in my foxhole.

By Einstein

July 8, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

MEMO TO THE BRAVES FRONT OFFICE: Please stop trying to “jury-rig” this team with cast-offs, has-beens, and washed-ups. You’ll continue to get what you have gotten for the past 3 years and delay bringing a winner to Atlanta. We have really talented young players…coach them up! And, when we need to add to our roster, what do you think a farm system is for. Charley Finley must be laughing from his grave about all the inept decisions Wren, Cox, et al are making. Does anyone think that Bobby Cox is long overdue to retire? Some folks just don’t know when it’s time. BTW, I think Bobby was a great manager, Andruw was a great player, Maddox, Randy Johnson, Glavine, and Clemens were great pitchers, too. If you wait too late, people only remember what you did or didn’t do last.

By brent a.

July 8, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

And don’t forget the, “I already have all of you figured out; yet, I continue to spend countless hours a day on this blog” post.

We got that one at 5:01 PM.

By AGTfan

July 8, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

This lineup is the worst I’ve ever seen.

Huh? My God! This blog is full of bandwagon fans who didn’t become Braves fans until the 90’s winning streak. I know, most of you can claim youth as the reason for that. Dude! This lineup looks like the Yankees of Ruth and Gerhig compared to some of those 70s and 80s teams.

By flange1

July 8, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith,

OK, so you are up for getting into a bidding war for Tex with the Mets and Yankees and spending 20-25 million a year on a guy for 6-7 years?

That is option 1.

Option 2 is keeping him and getting 2 draft choices.

Option 3 is trading him for higher level prospects or ML ready players.

What is your call?

By Steve from OH

July 8, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith, you’re forgetting the 12.5 Million Tex is making this year. So add Glavine’s 8 Million to that, and that’s 20.5 Million/yr for Tex. Heck, we could even throw in 2 mill of Hammy’s freed up $$ and still have 12 Million left to spend (I’m not taking into account arbitration/salary raises right now, too lazy to look. If anyone’s got that, that would be great). We could give Tex a big raise and still break even or have a little cash left over to spend. Throw in Liberty’s claims that they’ll raise payroll if JS asks…I think we’ve got a legitimate shot to keep Tex. Along with the fact that we have not a soul in the system that’s even close to being ready to take over 1B full time (don’t even say Thorman can take over), and the free agent 1B market next year is very thin, I’d say it would be prudent to not trade Tex and try to resign him next year.

By TRUE BRAVAES FAN

July 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Julian Tavarez??? Aren’t we scraping the bottom of the barrel???

By Steve from OH

July 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

I forgot to mention that I’m not taking Smoltz off the payroll because I think he’ll be back next year, although the cash will probably be less.

By THB

July 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

kirknga-I understand the Braves have a lot of money to spend. But what about all the raises in arbitration and what not this offseason? I’m honestly wondering who is eligible for arbitration.

Also, if we have money to spend this year, what about next year and the years after? Would you sign Tex if it meant we might not be able to extend Yunel, Reyes, Jurrjens, Kelly, and possibly Francoeur? Those are a lot of players that are young and good and will command a lot more money very soon.

By Braveheart

July 8, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, I know you want to sign Tex. DO you think the Braves will win a bidding war for Tex?

Flange1, I don’t think the Braves will win a bidding war for Tex but I think they need to engage themselves in it. 7 years, $150 mil is what they need to offer and not go higher. Tex is too valuable as a run creator and producer to let him go.

It’s too scary to think about but the Braves are in some serious, serious trouble next year without Tex. And I mean some really serious trouble.

They no longer have Smoltz. Their best hitter is understandably injury prone at his age. Their second best hitter is a catcher who has to miss 30 games a year and be run down at other times during the year.

Unless Francoeur, KJ, and Yunel take a superstar leap like Rollins, Utley and Howard did when the Phils rid themselves of Abreu and Thome, the Braves are gonna have an incredibly hard time scoring runs in the next few years if they don’t have Tex.

With a pitching staff that figures to be unpredictable and to give up alot of runs because the staff will be very young and very inexperienced, the Braves could be a very horrible team.

Smoltz and Tex are that important in creating the run differentials that create wins

By Hit Heap Hit!

July 8, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

I suppose that blame would also be mine, McFann

Don’t let me down, Mac!

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Yes, Braves signed Julian Tavarez

By Colonel Lingus

July 8, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

For those interested, Matt Harrison is making his first Major League Start tonight for Texas. As you remember he was the highly touted Braves prospect traded for Tex.

By AGTfan

July 8, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

brent a.

Good point!

By geauxbraves2000

July 8, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

That game last night has to be one of the most irritating games I partially watched. Maybe Kuroda was on, and that’s fine, but it seems the Braves were hacking at everything. In the 7th (I believe), 2 outs on 2 pitches and Chipper fouled his 1st pitch away. Kuroda threw just over 90 pitches (going on memory), and that tells me the Braves did not make him work.

There are just too many pitchers making this lineup look like little league. Or this lineup is making too many mediocre pitchers look like Cy Young.

But, that was last night, no need to dwell on it, hopefully they can get things turned around tonight.

Geaux Braves!!

By Bobby's Cox

July 8, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Regarding Francoeur:

(Nice post BTW Braveheart)

Andruw Jones went 4-8 with a HR in AAA on his brief rehab assignment. Since rejoining the dodgers, he’s gone 1-12 and his avg has stayed the same at .159.

Frenchy, as expected, destroyed AA pitching. I’m inclined to think we’re going to see the same old Francoeur this time around.

Maybe Wren read Stinson’s article, where Wellman’s strategy with Jeff was to get him swinging even more. Where TP wanted to change Jeff’s swing & approach, Wellman was trying to get him hacking as ever.

Not good from an organizational standpoint. How is Jeff, or anyone for that matter going to trust TP now if Jeff succeeds? What was supposed to be a step forward, likely took 2 steps back.

By D'Andre Williams

July 8, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

www.forum.braveselite.com

If our inconsistent offense can stay hot for two weeks. We will be able to make some major ground in the NL East. The pitching isn’t the problem, it’s our offense. Trading for a guy like Jason Bay or Xavier Nady will help.

www.blog.braveselite.com

By Slack jawed computer ignoramus

July 8, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Can somebody explain to me how to do links ? I’m fairly new to the blogging world but it’s time I learn the basics.

By Hit Heap Hit!

July 8, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Well it’s official, they’ve signed Tavarez.

By Braveheart

July 8, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, More than one blogger disagreed with my theory in the previous blog that some head butting within the Braves organization was going on concerning the demotion and hasty return of Jeff Francoeur. No one individual would have made such a drastic reversal in the decision making process unless some arm twisting went on.

Coach, it was fishy. It wasn’t Wren’s finest 72 hours to be sure. It left him looking indecisive and/or amenable to coercion.

By wiki

July 8, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Well, at least this will keep us from facing Tavarez. He killed us last year.

By flange1

July 8, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

I agree that the Braves ought to try to sign Tex. But I think with their normal bidding ways they will not win a battle of the checkbook.

I agree the FA list for next year does not look real good.

We can not trade the draft choices that we will get if we keep Tex and cannot sign him.

To me that leaves HAVING to trade him for prospects that we can either use or spin off into something else that could help to replace Tex.

To me it is that simple. While I want to re sign Tex, and I hear all of the talk from Liberty about unlimited payroll, just like you I have followed this team for many years and I don’t see them winning a bidding war with the Yankees.

SO you trade him for something and spin that into something else.

By BamaBrave

July 8, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Julian Tavarez…ugh. Never mind the bloated ERA, he’s just not an Atlanta Braves kinda guy. Perhaps this is an unfair comparison, but I’m willing to bet my evening 6-pack that JS would not have acquired a punk like Tavarez. Maybe he’s chilled out a bit, but when he pitched for St. Louis he was a complete a-hole. Nope…the Braves, they are a-changin’ and I don’t like it…

By Josh Anderson's Agent

July 8, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

The braves, from an organizational standpoint, has had an awful year. As much as I want to trash Francoeur and agree with the move to send him down, I have to do the same with the braves management. This move makes no sense.

The move to send Anderson down over b. Jones made no sense. To bring up Perry over Anderson has made no sense. To trade for a guy you said is ML ready when you made that trade and then go and sign a veteran CF, not bring up that kid after a successful ST, not bring him up when 1, 2, or 3 outfielders get hurt, bring him up to see some success but to send him down for no reason other than you need power, makes no sense.

And “Frenchy” is b***?

The management has been power hungry, yet they’re struggling to get hits in key situations while Anderson’s splits show situational hitting in AAA. This team has been power hungry, when they need consistent hitters in the lineup.

Holy mother.

By Mike in LA

July 8, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

How bout Kelly Johnson and Matt Diaz for Xavier Nady and Brent Lillibridge and mid level prospect for Ryan Freel? Kelly Johnson is a good player but not the phenom that many think he is. A simple two handed catch and the Braves would be four games back right now instead of six.

How bout a lineup consisting of

Blanco/Freel Platoon Escobar Chipper Tex Mccann Nady Kotsay Prado

And mix Francouer in if he ever grows some

By champ

July 8, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

YES! Finally the Braves made a move. Watch out Philly, here comes Julian!

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

While we’re scraping the bottom of the barrel, let’s go out and claim Pablo Ozuna too, who just got DFA’d by the White Sox. Heck, let’s pick up any old warm body out there. Maybe we can convince Marquis Grissom to come out of retirement and play left field.

For a team that’s loaded with retreads, apparently the Braves can never have too much of a “good thing.”

Mercy……………

By Coach Smith

July 8, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

JohnGTfan

You are an idiot….

you said: Most of us knew in April this team was average at BEST! Too old and not enough talent right now

Most people picked the Braves as a WS contender, AND if you are saying the BRAVES are TOO OLD??? What are you talking about?

Please see my other posts on the Braves age/position breakdown

Besides SMOLTZ and GLAVINE who is OLD?

you are obviously pulling this stuff out of your @zz and you obviously don’t know this team…

your post is about what I would expect form a GT fan

stick to math….sports is not your thing

By The GM

July 8, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cox is way beyond needing to retire. His actions and that of the Braves remind of the last years of Tommy Lasorda’s tenure with the Dodgers when they had no clutch hitters and couldn’t find a way to win. Bobby has stayed way to long at the party. Once again the Braves signed another over the hill player today on the cheap. What does it take to go after quality players and keep those in the minors that need to stay there. Bringing back Frenchy early may likely prove a crushing blow to his confidence and make Braves management appear even more incompetent.

By Coach Smith

July 8, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

MikeinLA

the BRAVES will NOT trade KJ…get it out of your head, it ain’t happening

That would also be exchanging two bats for ONE when what you need is bats…not smart

By Quantum Stumble

July 8, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

**Einstein

Comb your hair. The reason why we have so many “castoffs” is that we have had over 40 players on the roster this year due to injuries. It is a tribute to the organization that they have been able to stay somewhat afloat during all this. Not saying everything is great, but you have to admit that it could be a whole lot worse. If you had said that Smoltz, Glavine, and Hampton would all be out for most of the season and that two thirds of the starting outfield would be out for a significant amount of time, plus Francoeur would hit .230, you would probably think we would be 20 under .500 by now.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves IN 2009)

July 8, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Ditto that, Braveheart. I’m of the opinion that if Tex leaves via trade or free agency, It’s time to do something drastic because this team will not compete in 2009 without him.

We know that Chipper has bad wheels, he cannot be counted on to play more than 130-135 games at the most. How much longer he play is strictly up to mother nature.

Smoltz is a complete unknown commodity for 2009 at the moment.

Jeff Francoeur is an enigma. He is enormously gifted an an athlete but questions surrounding his eyesight have put his career in doubt.

Glavine is all but retired.

Tim Hudson is the ace of the staff. However, he also has an enormous amount of trade value. Did I really say that? O my.

McCann is arguably the best catcher in the N.L. and the he will be here for many more years. But, the Braves need a capable backup and Corky Miller ain’t it.

Yunel Escobar, and Kelly Johnson are keepers.

Jair Jurrjens, Jo-Jo Reyes and Charlie Morton offer much hope and promise, but they have and will continue to experience growing pains.

By Coach Smith

July 8, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

the GM

How is the lack of clutch hitters COX’s fault?

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Mike in LA, the Pirates aren’t going to take a second baseman with shaky fundamentals and a journeyman outfielder for someone they can get at least one legit prospect for.

Ryan Freel really isn’t much of an improvement over what we already have. Adam Dunn has a .222 average, but he also has an OBP around .400 and 22 homers, takes a lot of walks and is always dangerous.

I’d bet the Braves wouldn’t have to give up a boat load to get him, either, given the fact the Reds haven’t had much in the way of offers for him.

Far fetched??

By DonCoburleone

July 8, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Yes! Julian Tavarez, all of our troubles are over!!!!

By mamie

July 8, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

hometown of Hank Aaron…an no american black atlanta braves on Tv…..shame on you braves……………I love the Braves,but hire more Black Players….Black men can play baseball without using Stertoids………..they are strongggggggggg too

By h_charles

July 8, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

This team vastly underrates their lack of a real leadoff hitter. Since the Furcal days, this team’s run production has always followed the leadoff man. When Furcal hit, the team hit. When he went 0-5, the team struggled. We haven’t had a leadoff man since then. Blanco is doing ok there, but really we need a guy who can get on regulary and steal a base (or threaten a steal) in the FIRST inning.
I can’t remember the last time we manufactured a 1st inning run with benefit of the first hitter getting on.

The Philies have Rollins, the Mets Reyes, we have no answer.

That changes the whole dynamic of the inning and the game. I’d love to get a real leadoff guy who can work the count, be a SERIOUS basestealer (Blanco has the speed but not the knowhow yet), and see how that impacted the rest of the lineup.

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

Hit Heap Hit!—

He won’t let us down!

Let’s hope the opposing pitchers, as well as any attempting run-scorers, don’t just read the first two words of your name.

; )

By Britt

July 8, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

I’m not sure why the braves have struggled so mightily this year hitting. A lot of people want to blame Pendleton, but I don’t think its his fault. Terry was a great hitter as is Chipper, and I hear they both gave advice to Francoeur during his slump and its obvious it didn’t help. Not because it was not good advice, but because his mechanics and timing was off. Sure he would swing at a couple of bad balls, but he would also get good balls to hit and just miss them. I know TP isn’t telling them to go up there and swing at balls in their eyes, and not to work the count and lay off bad balls. I think its more this group of players. For Example,I remember the announcers saying a couple of games that TP is telling Kelly Johnson that he is a pull hitter, but Kelly doesn’t think so. You can put out all the advice that you want to but if the players are not willing to take it into the box with them it doesn’t matter.

By Carolina Matt

July 8, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

I still like DOB’s idea of maybe getting Furcal in the offseason and putting him or Escobar at 2nd and moving Kelly to 1B…what a dynamic infield that would be!

Maybe we could even keep Blanco and Kotsay in CF, with Franceour shaping up and manning RF again…and perhaps we could even sign a solid LF to fill out the lineup…This would give us a switch-hitter or lefty coming of the bench (Blanco or Kotsay) and hopefully we could keep Infante as a strong bat and backup fielder along with the blossoming Brandon Jones…

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

THB, the problem is if they wait to trade Salty, Andrus and Harrison, then you don’t get the best player available that could make an impact on the 2007 and 2008 season.

Jeff R, what the Braves needed last season was a player that could help them make up the 3.5-game difference that they needed to move into first place. You win games by scoring more and allowing fewer runs than other teams; doesn’t matter which way you go as long as you improve your run scoring and run prevention. Teixeira was the best player available to do that.

Coach Smith, you should have listened to DOB on Buck & Kincaid. Kelly Johnson is a viable option to move to first (and insert Prado at second). If you trade Tex, you are probably all but giving up on the season, so you could bring up someone like Thorman to play out the season.

I think it would be a mistake for the Braves to give Tex $22 million.

By DonCoburleone

July 8, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

And for guys like Coach Smith who say that this team is already young, so why trade Tex to rebuild and get younger?

I say look around, look at what you are pinning the Braves future on:

Gregor Blanco - Could someday become a decent LF with speed and some OBP ability, but realistically is nothing more than a 4th outfielder.

Jeff Francoeur - Do we even know what he is anymore? I now consider his ceiling to be a poor man’s Xavier Nady.

Charlie Morton - No clue with this kid. He was a borderline bust barely over a year ago and now I’m supposed to believe he will become a quality #2 or 3 starter in the major leagues?

Jordan Schaefer - If having no HGH saps his power, what is he then? Nothing more than Gregor Blanco with less ability to get on base is what.

When you are a mediocre team, as the Braves have been for 2+ years now, STOCKPILING young talent is the only way to put yourself in a position to have a long run of success. Not all prospects work out according to plan, so having an abundance of them increases the chances of finding good ones, or “keepers”. I agree with you on certain guys, I consider McCann, KJ, Escobar and Jurrjens “keepers”, guys to build around. But to say that guys like Francoeur, Blanco, Acosta, Soriano, Boyer, and even Reyes or Morton should be big parts of the future of this franchise is setting us up for another pre-90’s run of horrible baseball.

By Einstein

July 8, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Quantum Bumble, You’re missing the point. Injuries are a part of the game…rather than fill the roster with “has-beens” and “cast-offs” and “over the hills”, why not use our young talent. Besides, what were you expecting when we have all these 40+ players…a full season? The way you solve a problem is to fix the root cause, not just treat the symptom. The braves front office has been treating the symptom for the past 3 years and look how that is working for us. Bobby hasn’t forgotten how to manage, he just doesn’t care anymore…$3M goes a looooong way.

By TheCutMan

July 8, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Well, something is not working. That ‘something’ could be one major thing, several minor ones, or a combination.

BUT, something, whatever that something is, has to be acknowledged by the front office and corrective actions taken. It puts me in the old bromide, “Do something, even if it’s wrong but do SOMETHING.

Or, am I missing ‘something’?

By DonCoburleone

July 8, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Just posted on MLBTR, seems Wren is going to base his trade decisions on how the team performs over the next couple weeks - that is just embarrassing if you ask me…

MLB.com’s Mark Bowman writes about the Braves’ trade deadline situation at the Trade Talk blog. The Braves are in that gray area between sellers and buyers at six games out.

Bowman says Braves GM Frank Wren isn’t finding a reasonable deal for a power-hitting outfielder, but he’s also disappointed by the Mark Teixeira market. Bowman believes the picture will be clearer and the offers better a few weeks from now. He adds that the Braves would seek a first baseman in a Teixeira trade. Perhaps James Loney, Casey Kotchman, or Kevin Youkilis would work.

If the Braves buy, Xavier Nady is one possibility. Bowman wonders if the Bucs could look to reacquire Brent Lillibridge.

If we can get James Loney or Casey Kotchman PLUS a decent prospect or two, I think it is a no-brainer we trade Tex.

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

We’ve got a box turtle in our backyard! First one in over five years!

He’s dried up mud caked all over his shell. He must’ve sensed the rain coming.

We gave him some water, which he greatly appreciated. He seems very determined to get to wherever it is he’s headed. Slow afoot, but very determined. (Though turtles are a little faster than people think.)

By Braveheart

July 8, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

hometown of Hank Aaron…an no american black atlanta braves on Tv…..shame on you braves……………I love the Braves,but hire more Black Players….Black men can play baseball without using Stertoids………..they are strongggggggggg too

Don’t you think the Braves would love more black players? The Braves were never more successful, attendance was never higher and the Braves were never more popular than when they had Justice, Nixon, Pendleton, Deion, McGriff, Gant, Lonnie, Grissom, Freeman and so on. It was great for the performance on the field and great for business. This is a town with a large black population after all. The Braves would love nothing more than to have more black stars so that their business could make more money by being more responsive to the demographics of the city they play in. Unfortunately, the decline in AA participation in the sport is what it is due to a multitude of reasons far beyond the control of the Braves.

By FSUBravesfan10

July 8, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

maybe Julian Tavarez will punch a wall and break his hand, thus firing this team up for a 2nd half run…

By Coach Smith

July 8, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

DonC

You need to look around at this team and in the minors…

The team is young and they ARE stockpiled with youn players in the minors that already have nowhere to move up to…

What is the point of gettting a bunch more who have nowhere to go?

By the time they are ready..all those other guys will be gone

By Braveheart

July 8, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

If you trade Tex, you do it for this reason: To get the extra prospects needed to trade for Prince Fielder during the winter. Extra draft picks don’t help you do that.

By R-John

July 8, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

Not only did Nomo throw a no-hitter, but he also threw it at Coors Field. In 1996.

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

h_charles, the Braves aren’t scoring because of a lack of power. Since Furcal left, the Braves have had great offensive teams except for this season. The main reason for that is because their outfield is rather weak in the power department.

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

Actually, Hank Aaron is originally from down here in Mobile, Alabama. Our AA stadium is named after him, as is one of our busy roads.

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

Also, if we have money to spend this year, what about next year and the years after? Would you sign Tex if it meant we might not be able to extend Yunel, Reyes, Jurrjens, Kelly, and possibly Francoeur? THB

I don’t see the problem. The Braves have a bunch of rookies and young players who are some years away from signing huge contracts. Arbitration is also a few years away as well.

The Braves have the payroll flexibility to address the teams needs. I think some fear competing with the Yankees and Mets, but thats what we’re going to have to do for Tex.

I don’t believe Tex is going to get A-Rod money, I could be wrong. So I think it’s entirely plausible that the Braves will have to pay $18-22 million for him. That’s just the reality of the market.

Reading the comments it really does seem that there are two camps.

One that wants to gamble that the Braves can add another prospect or two and become competitive in “a few seasons”.

The other camp says the Braves have a solid core of young players now and so to win now the Braves need to keep Tex and add other proven pieces. I am in this camp.

I believe the Braves are in a similar position as they were in 90 when JS looked at the team and added veterans.

We’re in a rebuilding year now. The question really is how soon you do you want to come out of the rebuilding process and make a serious effort to become a steady contender?

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

McFann, I want to thank you for that post. i know it’s hard to tell when I’m not being sarcastic sometimes, but in this case, I’m not. That post was so innocent and pure, it made me feel good.

Even better than a while ago, when I was running on the treadmill, looking at downtown office workers walking by on their lunch hour, and David Allan Coe’s “Tennessee Whiskey” came on the Ipod.

Not that Coe is anything remotely similar to innocent, nor were my thoughts observing some office workers necessarily pure…. But your thing about the turtle was. Good stuff.

OK, down to talk to Tavarez, Frenchy, et al. And I think Glavine might be throwing today.

By Mike in LA

July 8, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith, Braves need someone who can hit in the clutch. And while I’ll admit that I don’t watch many Pirates games Nady is having a career year and has two hits this year that have beaten the Braves in close, late inning situations. Are .250 and .274 the “bats” that you are referring to? I agree the Braves won’t move him, I can’t recall them ever moving a decent everyday player midseason but I do think both players are expendable and would draw some interest. The Braves have some depth at second. Robert, agree numbers wise Freel isn’t a big upgrade but the current roster is stagnant for lack of a better word and Freel’s energy could rub off on a few players. I also think that the organization could also dangle one of the two CF prospects (Schaefer and Hernandez)and get a legit slugger like Holliday, who by the ways is hitting .315 on the road and .375 against lefties both situations that the Braves have struggled in

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

Jordan Schaefer - If having no HGH saps his power, what is he then? Nothing more than Gregor Blanco with less ability to get on base is what.

Huh? Schafer’s slugging percentage is at .420 in his first 32 games in AA. His career slugging percentage is .439. I wouldn’t say his power has been “sapped.”

By Chop Chop

July 8, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Per the AJC sports home page:

“Julian Tavarez, a proven right-handed veteran, will join team in Los Angeles tonight.”

Yep. He’s right-handed, alright. It’s been proven.

By 2009 Rules

July 8, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Here is what we do if we want to compete in 2009 without resigning TEX:

1) Trade Tex NOW for young major league talent (or major-league ready prospects) that can fill our 1B hole in ‘09 as well as give us starting pitching depth.

2) Don’t resign Glavine, Kotsay or Hampton (duh, right?) after this year. Add that money to Smoltz’s $8mil salary and Tex’s $12mil and suddenly this team has at least $35mil to work with, even after all the young guys raises.

3) Sign Ben Sheets and Adam Dunn this offseason. This gives us a rotation headed by Hudson, Sheets, and Jurrjens with Reyes and Morton filling in behind that. Dunn “replaces” Teixera as the cleanup hitter - I know I know, he’s not nearly as good - but that means we can sign him for cheaper and for less years. I bet we could get both Sheets and Dunn on 4 year contracts that would combine to be probably less than that $35mil we free up after this season.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

Cubs just traded for Rich Harden

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

You’re welcome, DOB!

And thank you, too, for the complement!

By Carolina Matt

July 8, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Hahaha…Chop Chop, that was a gem.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

This lineup is the worst I’ve ever seen.John

Wow. Then you really haven’t watched much baseball, have you John?

By Shaun

July 8, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Cubs acquire Harden and Gaudin.

By mamie

July 8, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

Mr. Cox……Where are the Black atlanta brave players….we use to have them….Don’t need to go to Carribbean….we need homegrown American Black base ball ….All the other teams have good old american black players…

By Patrick

July 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

The Cubs get Rich Harden we get Julian Tavarez.

Anyone else there’s something wrong with that?!?!

By Robin

July 8, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

McFann: You rule bruh! :)

Great …..we sign Tavarez and the Cubs get Harden. WTH? Figgers.

Maybe we can get someone for TEX & Frenchie ….maybe. I hope they’re history.

By JJ

July 8, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

DOB, If it wasn’t for you and your blog I wouldn’t read this worthless rag. One freaking day after the quotes from Tex about hoping rumors of his trade wouldn’t become a distraction, the hometown paper runs a free for all blog ASKING FOR SPECULATION about Tex trades. It’s beyond absurd. I’m just glad I don’t have to pay for this blog. DOB, you should really look into going to a credible paper and leaving this worthless piece of horse dung in your wake.

By sooner

July 8, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Cubs get Harden, if he stays healthy thats a huge pickup. Just what they needed to put them over the top. Again, if he stays healthy. Big if.

By Edward

July 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

After the Trade Market getting pretty HOT!!….i presume the Braves will either stay pretty QUIET or get the LF “power” bat(Nady or Ibanez or Dunn)…they WILL NOT Go for more Starting Pitching, hoping for Glavine and Hampton or hoping that Campillo, Morton and Reyes keep up…and they WILL NOT, cause they’re ROOKIES’…LOL!!…and that will COST THEM..BIG, PRETTY BIG!**

By brent a.

July 8, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

mamie

Why don’t you put together a trade for Brandon Phillips, and get back to us?

Thanks,

By AJ 25

July 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

Why isn’t Buddy starting instead of Morton? Charlie needs more work in the minors.

By rupert

July 8, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

the taveras move coupled with the franceour move, basically pencil the bravos into the world series now…i’m guessing chad paranto or kevin gryboski wasn’t available?

By Hit Heap Hit!

July 8, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

I hate the Cubs.

That is all.

Yeah right..

Hey, should I put comma’s in my name for clarity, McFann? I’d feel downright stinky if our boy was accidentally hit by a pitch tonight. :O

Speaking of Mac, turtles must be on the move. I saw one on the side of my street the other day. I was almost home so I parked and then walked back to scoot him on out of the road and he was already gone.

By Varoadrunner

July 8, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

We have a nucleus of a great team. We have an Allstar Catcher, we have a star at third for a few more years, We have a solid guy at short that just needs a little more major league experience, We lack some at second both defensively and offensively, but KJ can do the job well enough to keep him, We nned to RESIGN Tex for whatever it takes, he plays great defensively and although a notoriously slow starter, look at him now. Our outfield? Wow - Frenchy is ok if he pulls his head out of his A$$ and starts hitting the ball where it is pitched. Defensively, I think the offseason weigh-lifting slowed him a step, but he still has that cannon for an arm. Bring Shafer up in SF and trade for a huge bat in LF. That brings us to our pitching! If smoltz returns and can be effective, we’ll have a solid staff of starters.

BOTTOM LINE - Sign TEX - He and Chipper give us one of the best 3-4 hitters around. Get a bat in left. Use Glavine’s salary to help sign Tex.

This team can win if managed properly.

By sooner

July 8, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

I guess now it’s St. Louis’ turn to make a move… It’s amazing how many talented players, especially SP’s, have come over to the NL from the AL recently…strange trend.

By Braveheart

July 8, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

The Cubs get Rich Harden we get Julian Tavarez. Anyone else there’s something wrong with that?!?!

It’s a discrimination problem. The Cubs are blatantly discriminating against ugly people. Poor Julian looks like Freddy Krueger. 1,2, he’s pitching for you…. 3,4, better lock your door….. 5,6 get a crucifix …… 7,8, better stay awake …… 9, 10 never sleep again

By Mike in LA

July 8, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

If the Braves were to trade Tex which I don’t want them to due they need to get players that will help them stay competitive this year and possibly help them be contenders next year and beyond. The Atlanta Braves would never concede half of a season regardless of their record. I think the Dodgers would match up well with this scenario because they need a star power hitter and they can afford to resign him. How bout Loney and Kemp for Tex? Not that far fetched considering the Dodgers have been rumored to be willing to ship Kemp for shorstop help

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

Robin McFann: You rule

Thank you! But I think that’s an overstatement. : )

I’m glad I could brighten up the evening with my story about the turtle.

Let’s hope the Braves cann brighten up the night!

By Offical Head Liner

July 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

O’Brien….The Blog title SHOULD BE: Braves travel to do List: get a LF and Relief Help…what happened, i dont know??…it magically Changed ;)

By RedEyedAndBlue

July 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

Anybody wonder why the A’s are sellers when they are only six back in the division and two back in the wild card?

By mike

July 8, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

The Braves have no chance to go anywhere this year. We should go ahead and trade Tex now and hopefully get some good young talent in return. Who cares if we are only like 6 games behind 1st ? Even if we somehow win the division what are our chances of beating a team like Chicago or Milwaukee in the playoffs ? Anyone who thinks the Braves are good enough to win the World Series this year are just dumb.

By El Vez

July 8, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

Not to be a stickler, but box turles are actually terrapins. I know because my father always corrected me when I came home with a new “Box Turtle”. As for Tavarez, doe anyone recall how many brawls he started pitching against the Braves.

By El Vez

July 8, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

Not to be a stickler, but box turles are actually terrapins. I know because my father always corrected me when I came home with a new “Box Turtle”. As for Tavarez, doe anyone recall how many brawls he started pitching against the Braves.

By Chuck James is solid until the 6th!! (Formerly Steve-O)

July 8, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

First?

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

Hit, Heap, Hit!—

Don’t feel too bad if he should get hit—I brought it up. Hmm…Still, maybe commas aren’t a bad idea…especially if they start pitching him way inside tonight. ; )

I’ve seen a few smashed turtles on the road—one of the saddest things. Glad to hear you wanted to help! (Even though he was gone when you came back, you had the right intentions!) Thank you!

By ncscoots

July 8, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

Yes, by all means, let’s have the Braves get “younger”. Yessiree! Let Tex go (draft picks or prospects, doesn’t matter, as long as they’re YOUNG), forget signing any veterans in the offseason (they aren’t YOUNG), and so forth. Start Jordan in CF, Brandon in LF, and keep all the young pitchers. That way, see, the Braves can start all of ONE position player and ONE starter with as much as five years experience. The team will be YOUNG! Yowsah!

Why, it’ll be EXCITING! All those young players growing up before our eyes! And bloggers won’t care if they are .500 while they’re learning…nossir! Not one little bit, I’ll bet ya! Wow and jeepers, I can’t wait!

Can we trade Tex today? Pleeeaase?

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

Hit, Heap, Hit—

PS: I despise the Cubs, too!

By Chop Chop

July 8, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

I like this little quote from the AP story on the Cubs’ acquisition of Rich Harden:

Piniella said the trade should send a message to Cubs fans.

“This shows the Cubs are going to do everything in their power to get where we want to go.”

There’s a novel idea.

Okay, Frank Wren. Where do we want to go?

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

WoW! If you’re a Cubs fan you have to like what your team has done today.

It’s the kind of move JS made in getting Tex and why some of us want to pay the price to keep him. Trade for talent not potential talent.

I hope our team stays aggressive and keeps Tex and adds more talent, not potential talent during the offseason.

By Bill

July 8, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

MAMIE— Who are you trying to blame???? The Afro-Americans are only interested in hip-hop,football and basketball. You can blame the amount of foreign players that are coming over. The blacks have as good a chance as anybody.

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

El Vez box turles are actually terrapins

Well, that makes sense, since they don’t live in water.

I wish it would hurry up and RAIN for the poor thing!

By Efrim

July 8, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

A decent bounty for Harden, but I thought Beane could get more. Oh well. Murton is as solid as they get, poor kid never gets a chance. Gallagher looks like he has a bunhc of talent as well. Patterson isn’t very good though. A steal for the Cubs considering they didn’t have to part with Jose Ceda or Josh Vitters.

As far as the Braves getting back a first baseman, I’m not as big a Loney or Kotchman fan as some on this blog, but if the LA teams were willing to part with one of them plus a coiple of pitching prospects, you have to jump at that.

By ncscoots

July 8, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

Anyone who thinks…are just dumb.

Well, I are dumb, as I’m sure many on this blog would confirm, LOL.

Sorry, man, I’m not digging at you, but that opportunity was irresistable. Blog poetry at its finest. Wurlitzer-worthy, in fact. :-)

By BravesFanInRockies

July 8, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

One of my trade targets is gone — Murton’s in the Harden deal.

Don’t put the Cubs in the WS just yet, however. This, from mlbtraderumors:

Harden, 26, has been dominant in 13 starts for the A’s this year. The injury-prone Harden is a tantalizing player; he’s only topped 130 innings once but has a career ERA of 3.42. The latest concern: decreased velocity/dead arm in his last start.

Bowman’s article also suggests Youk! might be a target if the Braves and the Sawx discuss a deal for Tex. I’d LOOOVE to see Youklis as a Brave. (Chipper’s eventual successor?)

By Robin

July 8, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

*…walked back to scoot him on out of the road and he was already gone.

Heap: That’s “deceptive” speed.

I was always a bit intimidated by Julian’s “good looks,” maybe some of his fire could be some of what we need.

By Tomas

July 8, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

Wow Rich Harden and CC Sabathia were traded in less than 24 hours.And what a deal for the cubs, there weakness was there starting pitching and they got an ace, and a gaudin who is having a very good year for just four players. Murton( which they didn’t need), Gallager which was the key piece of the deal, Patterson, and Donaldson. Relatively cheap if Harden can stay healthy.

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this

With both the Sabathia and Harden trades, it looks as if the Indians and A’s were looking for specific pieces rather than a certain quantity of prospects in return.

The Rangers were looking to stock up their system best they could and so the deal for Tex.

Perhaps the Braves didn’t have the talent at those specific positions to land either pitcher, because on paper it sure looks as if the Braves could have matched the quantity of prospects.

If you’re a Cub player you have to really feel as if the organization is committed to winning.

If the Braves were to trade Tex, I think it possible the Braves players would have the opposite feeling.

By Chop Chop

July 8, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

The Red Sox would be damn foolish to move Youk for Tex. Youk usually slows down in the second half, but he is a gutty player who never gives less than his best effort. The fans love him and he’s a Gold Glove first baseman. He’d be a great addition to the Braves, but I just don’t see the sense in it from Boston’s perspective. They’re getting Ortiz back soon. The Red Sox badly need bullpen help. I think that’s where their focus will be.

By ncscoots

July 8, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Efrim, you gotta remember Beane is shedding some risk in the Harden deal, also. Murton and Gallagher look to have a shot at being good, and Harden’s past health has to have been an anchor on any deal’s upside. I’m sure our buddy uga-brave can wax eloquently on the value-added of losing risk in weighing a transaction. Beane either sold high or broke even, I think. No worse.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

Not sure what Billy Beane was thinking with that package…Murton????

By BravesFanInRockies

July 8, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

If the Braves were to trade Tex, I think it possible the Braves players would have the opposite feeling.kirkinga

I don’t know about that. Depends on who the Braves got. Players should understand the business side of sports.

If it looks as if Tex will not re-sign, then dealing him for a ML ready player plus others might be a signal that the team thinks it can win in 2009 and beyond. Letting him become a FA and getting draft picks who won’t be ready to play for several years might be seen as a worse sign by guys like Chipper and Smoltz. Hard to tell.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves IN 2009)

July 8, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

The Oakland A’s are 48-41, six games back in their division and just three and a half back in the wild card race.

What is Billy Beane doing? SELLING ! I really have to wonder if the Braves are dragging their feet on the trade front.

By Yiddish Yenta

July 8, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

The Red Sox would be damn foolish to move Youk for Tex. Youk usually slows down in the second half, but he is a gutty player who never gives less than his best effort. The fans love him and he’s a Gold Glove first baseman. He’d be a great addition to the Braves, but I just don’t see the sense in it from Boston’s perspective. They’re getting Ortiz back soon. The Red Sox badly need bullpen help. I think that’s where their focus will be.

We need more Jewish players. Why no Jewish players? Jewish owner with the Falcons but no Jewish players. I want to spin the dradle with Youk and Gabe Kapler.

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 8, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

You guys are on a roll tonight.

I like how, was it last night? Tex said something like he just wanted to focus on helping the Braves and didn’t want the distraction of trade rumors and the very next day Tex trade rumors headline the AJC Braves seciton. Heh. I personally hope we keep him and I can’t imagine any Braves fan not wanting the same!

By KC

July 8, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

With the Harden and Sabathia trades, it’s now safe to say that If… IF the Braves find a way to make it to October, a healthy Hampton would be a must.

If healthy and sharp… Hudson/Hampton/Jurrjens would have a chance against any trio of starters. But we’d HAVE to have a healthy Hampton at his best to have any chance in October.

By gobravesss

July 8, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

Any word on who’s going down to make room for Tavarez?

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

no surprise here: Francoeur is in the lineup.

Glavine is getting ready to throw some in the outfield, first time he’s thrown since going on DL.

Tavarez is here, dressed and ready.

Perry is, as expected, the guy moved to make room for Tavarez on the 25-man.

Smoltz moved to 60-day DL opened spot on 40-man.

By RedEyedAndBlue

July 8, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

Agreed Coach. Imagine how the A’s team must feel. And they are about to play a three game set at home against the Angels, too. Still got nine games left against the Angels for the season.

Take away “Moneyball” and Beane is just another good small market GM. Not great, not the next coming, but good. Don’t get me wrong, I got respect for the guy. And he never asked to have Moneyball written. But imo he overthought this one.

Now when Harden goes down in the Playoffs with a dead arm and Murton hits three homers to help win the WS, well call me an a-hole.

By Tomas

July 8, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies, I don’t there is a chance the redsox traded Youkilis for Tex. In fact I don’t think the redsox have a need for Mark Texeira, they would be focused on improving there shortstop or centerfielder and the bulpen. I do see the Yankees as a more likely candidate. They are in need of a powerful first baseman and Tex fits perfectly to that description. The question is who would come to the Braves in exchange for Tex, maybe Melky Cabrera and Shelley Duncan, and then sign Tex in the offseason. I don’t know if the Yanks would accept that dea for just two months of Tex, but if they’re in it by July 31 and were not, maybe there desperation would lead them to trade for Texeira. And in the offseason sign Texeira to whatever he demands and beat the Yankees in the offer (tough task).

This would only be acceptable if the Braves

By Yiddish Yenta's Aunt

July 8, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

That fine mensch Kevin Youkilis doesn’t know what a “dradle” is. It’s spelled D-R-E-I-D-E-L, you putz!

God forbid your mother should ever see such a spelling error with her weary eyes! Don’t you know your mother worries herself sick over your spelling errors?!?!

Oy, vey!

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Cubs fans are doing cartwheels over this one. Most seem pretty pysched to GET RID of Murton. Gallagher seems to be the one they are sad to see leaving.

Cubbies flat out mugged the A’s with this one.

By Tomas

July 8, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Or Jason lane instead of Shelley Duncan, thats up to Frank Wren. By the way I was checking the minor leage stats and saw that Resop is pitching great as well as Jorge Julio, I don’t see why the Braves sign Tavares a guy who has been already been realesed twice this year. If they wanted experience they should have called jorge julio from the minors.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Please tell me Bobby has Frenchy batting 7th, better yet 8th.

It’s one thing to bring him back, it’s another to put him in key position.

At least until he shows he’s out of that slump

By Shamus Thacker

July 8, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

Wish (St/Fr)enchy could bat with a canoe paddle.

By Braves7983

July 8, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this

What is the starting lineup for the Braves tonight?

By La Jolla Dawg

July 8, 2008 8:32 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, welcome to my neck of the woods (well, almost). Will you be in San Diego for the Braves day off? If so, and if you are a burger fan, try out the Burger Lounge in La Jolla—very good. Also, Wahoos for fish tacos. Let me know if you do indeed make it to La Jolla, my husband and I own a store right in the Village, I’ll e-mail you the name.

We are going to see the Braves this weekend, it will be interesting to see which slumping team takes this series. The past year or two the Braves have done very well against the Padres, I am a bit worried this time around. I guess that says a lot about the way I feel about the team right now, I am worried that they are going to lose to the Padres…

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

Letting him become a FA and getting draft picks who won’t be ready to play for several years might be seen as a worse sign by guys like Chipper and Smoltz. Hard to tell.

Well I’ve been one to call for doing what Billy Beane did today, and that’s asking for major league talent to be included in a trade.

I think it’s very interesting that with his team in contention, he did trade their ace, but he also got back major league talent who can step in a help the team now.They still have a couple of good starters on their team and may not fade away.

But trading away a premier 1st baseman, the Braves I would think the Braves would have to receive at least receive major league talent at 1st base and somewhere else. In other words, fill the hole they would create by trading Tex ans well as another hole that currently exists. Anything short of that I would think sends a message of no confidence.

By Tomas

July 8, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

*By Tomas

July 8, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies, I don’t there is a chance the redsox traded Youkilis for Tex. In fact I don’t think the redsox have a need for Mark Texeira, they would be focused on improving there shortstop or centerfielder and the bulpen. I do see the Yankees as a more likely candidate. They are in need of a powerful first baseman and Tex fits perfectly to that description. The question is who would come to the Braves in exchange for Tex, maybe Melky Cabrera and Shelley Duncan, and then sign Tex in the offseason. I don’t know if the Yanks would accept that dea for just two months of Tex, but if they’re in it by July 31 and were not, maybe there desperation would lead them to trade for Texeira. And in the offseason sign Texeira to whatever he demands and beat the Yankees in the offer (tough task).

This would only be acceptable if the Braves* are 7 or more games out of first by july 31.

By Shamus Thacker

July 8, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

There’s no way two AA games put Stenchy in a groove. He’s gonna be flailing around like always. Something is going on besides the Braves thinking he’s ready to come back. As Tyson would say, dat’s ludaquiss.

By Marc

July 8, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

Anyone who thinks Billy Beane got ripped off is a dumbass, plain and simple. He knows what he’s going to look like a genius when the injury prone Rich Harden goes down again.

By chrisklob

July 8, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

Interesting article on foxsports.com. Chipper’s going to get a raise next year due to some clauses in his contract.

Atlanta’s Chipper Jones earned a $2 million salary increase to $10 million next year because he was elected. His contract contains a complicated points provision for various honors, and his 2009 pay could increase to $11 million depending on postseason awards this year.

“That deal was signed a long time ago, so you forget about the little sidebars, as far as your contract goes, when you immerse yourself in the game,” Jones said. “I’m not worried about the money. I’ve made my money in this game. I just want to get back healthy and get back to the point where I’m producing at a high rate like I was earlier in my career. The people who play this game just for the money, they’ll get weeded out eventually. I’ve never played this game for love of the money.”

Here’s the link

By Eli Wallop

July 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

Rumor is the Braves are ready to sign Shawn Chacon to add to the bullpen with Tavarez.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Glavine felt good, “about what I expected for what I did today,” he said. Really just made about 50 light throws, which he’ll do again tomorrow, then take a day off, then do it a couple more times, and go through All-Star break.

If all goes well, he hopes to be throwing off mound first week after break.

By gayle

July 8, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Tavarez? What’s next, Wohlers?

I’ll be looking for Jim Leyritz to spell Corky Miller behind the plate and Scott Brocious to fill in for Chipper at 3rd.

As for a bidding war for Tex with New York - the last time the Braves won a bidding war with a New York team was whn Maddux accepted less money to stay in Atlanta.

Don’t look for lightning to strike twice.

By Yiddish Yenta

July 8, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

That fine mensch Kevin Youkilis doesn’t know what a “dradle” is. It’s spelled D-R-E-I-D-E-L, you putz! God forbid your mother should ever see such a spelling error with her weary eyes! Don’t you know your mother worries herself sick over your spelling errors?!?! Oy, vey!

Sorry, you caught me. I’m not really Jewish. I don’t spell dreidel. I just spin Kaballah dradles with Rabbi Madonna and Arod.

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 8, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

I love Chipper a little more every time I read a new quote by him. cough pay attention, frenchy cough

By Steve from OH

July 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

DonC:

I know you were probably kidding about Schafer and the HGH “sapping his power,” but I think it is important to point out that the scientific literature offers absolutely NO significant evidence that HGH enhances athletic performance. One article even states that athletes can often become weaker with HGH treatment (which proves your point in a reciprocal kind of way, I guess).

Anyhoo, not to be nitpicky, but I think alot of people fail to realize that fact when assessing stats and such.

By Efrim

July 8, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

NcScoots

Efrim, you gotta remember Beane is shedding some risk in the Harden deal, also. Murton and Gallagher look to have a shot at being good, and Harden’s past health has to have been an anchor on any deal’s upside. I’m sure our buddy uga-brave can wax eloquently on the value-added of losing risk in weighing a transaction. Beane either sold high or broke even, I think. No worse.

I think Beane did well overall. I just thought he would look to add a high impact minor league arm or minor league bat. Murton is solid and Gallagher, like you said, has a shot at being good. 48-41 and the guy is trading away important pieces. That Billy Beane is a character.

By Leprechaun

July 8, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

There’s no way two AA games put Stenchy in a groove.

Never again underestimate the ability of a Wellman grenade toss up a player’s foxhole to light a fire under him

And Shamus, don’t eff with me lucky charms, boyo. Ya hear me, scrapper?

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

Marc. When someone starts a rant off with “anyone who blah blah blahs is a dumbass” they must inevitably follow it up with something like

“He knows what he’s going to look like a genius when the injury prone Rich Harden goes down again.”

Don’t feel bad, typos/egregious grammar following a dumbass blast? Unavoidable blog karma.

(Which is why I’m sure this post has plenty.)

By Ron Roberts

July 8, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

K.C. There aren’t many constants in this game, but you talking October baseball and the Braves is a definite constant, my friend.

Hampton’s not pitched an inning of regular season ball since, when… Francoeur’s doing a dead-on ‘Andruw Jones’ impersonation at the plate this season, Diaz has been gone most of the year (and stunk the little time he did play), Kotsay’s been a walking Doan’s back pill advertisement, closer #1 has been on the DL, starter #1 and #2’s been on the DL (#1 having been lost for the year) starter #2 has been awesome and awful in back-to-back-to-back-to-back games;

…but you’re comparing Hudson/Glavine/Hampton in our (supposed) postseason rotation to the contenders.

:)

Keep hope alive, man. Somebody here has to.

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

As for a bidding war for Tex with New York - the last time the Braves won a bidding war with a New York team was whn Maddux accepted less money to stay in Atlanta.

Why are people so scared of the Yankees? The Braves have the capacity to resign Tex.

Unless they were to offer him A-Rod money, the Braves can retain his services and address their other needs. This is not a team without resources and the Yankess don’t get every free agent or big name available.

By I was a teenage Francophile

July 8, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Is Francoeur a rakish stud? Or a stud who rakes?

By Efrim

July 8, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Braveheart

If you trade Tex, you do it for this reason: To get the extra prospects needed to trade for Prince Fielder during the winter. Extra draft picks don’t help you do that.

Thank you man. Some people don’t understand that concept. Beefing up the farm system for more trades is what I am for.

Shaun

h_charles, the Braves aren’t scoring because of a lack of power. Since Furcal left, the Braves have had great offensive teams except for this season. The main reason for that is because their outfield is rather weak in the power department.

Well said.

By ijonathan

July 8, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

McFann

Are you sure that wasn’t a mud-encrusted B-Mac trying to leg out a triple across your backyard?

By i cant take it anymore

July 8, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

tavarez? i have nothing good to say about that. nothing.

By Patrick

July 8, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

Eli,

Don’t say Chacon and Bullpen in the same sentance…he’ll come choke you!

By Quantum Stumble

July 8, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

Einstein I guess I must be missing your point. I assumed the retreads you were talking about are guys like Tavarez and some of the other recent minor league signings. The only reason Wren is signing these guys is because all the youngsters who are anywhere close to ready for the big leagues are already here because of all the injuries. If we had traded them to pick up a big bat or another pitcher then we would have no depth.

If the retreads you are talking about are Glavine and Kotsay, I would have to disagree there, too. Bringing Glavine back was the right thing to do, first of all, because of all he has done for the Braves and Atlanta. Plus, he came at a substantial discount. And everyone thought he would be good for 180 innings, seeing as how he had never been on the DL and even last year he was one of the league leaders in quality starts. Didn’t work out that way, unfortunately. I still think it was a good idea.

If you are talking about Kotsay, that was a calculated risk, knowing we didn’t have anybody who we thought was quite ready, but a couple of young players who we thought might be able to step in and contribute if his back didn’t hold up. Then plan would have worked, because Blanco has exceeded expectations, but there are just too many other players who are either hurt or unproductive. Kotsay was supposed to hold us over until Schaefer was ready, but then Schaefer had the HGH suspension. D’oh!

This year has been sort of a perfect storm of bad luck. We went through much of the 90’s with very few significant injuries, I guess it all evens out in the long run.

Like Nathan Arizona said, medical science caught up with him and his wife “with a vengeance.” The law of averages regarding injuries has caught up with the Braves with a vengeance.

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 8, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

Rumor is the Braves are ready to sign Shawn Chacon to add to the bullpen with Tavarez.

I don’t get it. How about a backup catcher who can bat at least half his weight? And maybe, you know, an outfielder or 3?

By Bops

July 8, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

Is anyone else getting annoyed at the fact that Frank Wren is just sitting back in his chair and telling everyone that “we have to just see where this team stands at the allstar break” as to whether or not they are buyers or sellers. Its obvious to me that THIS team we have isnt going to cut it yet they still find themselves within striking distance of first. One would think that the obvious answer would be to go out and get a big bat, big pitcher AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Lets not wait until this team implodes for good and then say lets get rid of everyone. The NL East is wide open and the Braves (Wren and Co.) need to do something NOW in order to stay with the pack. C’mon Wren, show Atlanta that you care about this team. John S. would never throw in the towel, like him or hate him. Wren needs to suck it up and get this team rollin. (BTW, Tavarez is not the answer)

By I was a teenage Francophile

July 8, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

Since Frenchy will eventually become the next A-Rod, I suggest we start calling him: F-Rank.

By Leprechaun

July 8, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

As for a bidding war for Tex with New York - the last time the Braves won a bidding war with a New York team was whn Maddux accepted less money to stay in Atlanta. Don’t look for lightning to strike twice.

Gayle, so lil’ ye see, so lil’ ye faith. Lightning. Then thunder. Then rain. Then rainbow. Then me pot o’ gold at end of rainbow. Sometimes, ye see, there be rain with no thunder and no lightning. If there be rain, there be a rainbow. If there be rainbow, there be me pot o’ gold. And sometime there be rainbow with no rain, no lightning and no thunder. Just a rainbow with me pot o’gold at end. So, no look for lightning, thunder, and rain. It is not that which ye seek. Look for rainbows for that be where ye find pot o’ gold ye seek

By bravos2249

July 8, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

kirknga

also since CC was traded the Yankees are expected to go after him I would think more than a BIG(millions) bat.

By KyleH

July 8, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

I think people are forgetting that Tex is already making $12 million this season. What we’re talking about is paying him $6-10 million above his current salary to stay a Brave.

Those saying that the braves “can’t ” or “won’t ” resign him aren’t looking at the payroll picture correctly.

Thank You. Ive been trying to convey this point for sooo long. They will still have money after signing Tex which they need to do. I mean who will the big bat be if chippers not there in the near future. You can build around Tex. You must sign Tex if your the braves. Then compete for Ben Sheets or brinback smoltz. (I really would love to have him back) Smoltz Hudson Jurrjens Jojo then Morton/Campillo.

By I was a teenage Francophile

July 8, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

Braves are interested in Kitt Kittredge in a possible trade for Frenchy.

By JEB

July 8, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

If Glavine does not come back next year (we will know if there is a possibility of that within the next few weeks). We take his salary and add it to TEX’s and he has about 21 mil. Personally I don’t think he is worth it! Maybe 18 mil a yr at most! But, if they do sign him, then there is still Smoltz’s money (Smoltz won’t meet his option qualifications - they won’t know whether he will be signed until next spring - that is when SMoltz said he will know). Smoltz will not sign again at the 14 mil.(he said bullpen is his option) If he is ready and able after the spring, then he will probably be in the neighborhood of 8 mil (just a guess) So, with Hamptons money and Smoltz’s leftover money - that is enough still to give the regualr raises and bring in a quality starter - and keeping TEX.

By Murphy

July 8, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

McFann,

You would love the pond in my backyard. I have about 22 turtles. They are great to watch when they are fighting over crackers.

By KC

July 8, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Julian Tavarez… Yippy!!!!!!!!! What a lift he’ll provide. A 7.05 ERA reliever should come in handy.

By The Ghost of Marty Cordova

July 8, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Any truth to the rumor that the ghost of Marty Cordova will bat sixth tonight for the Braves?

By ijonathan

July 8, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

Geesh, somebody give Boog 50 bucks to go get a quick LA haircut.

By KC

July 8, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

BREAKING NEWS: After inking Tavarez, the Braves have signed Chris Woodward, David Wells, and Chris Reitsma. The Braves have also been reported to be in a bidding war with several other teams for the services of Dan Kolb.

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

ijonathan—

Haha! Good one! Yeah, I’m sure! He was a bit too small…

Anyway, let’s hope for some action from Mr. Turtle outta that number five spot, tonight! (Really, let’s hope for some action outta every spot of the Braves’ lineup!)

Hit, Heap, Hit!

There ya go! Nice commas! ; )

(maybe) Later!

Ah, holy crud! Soto just homered…

By john

July 8, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Why did the Braves get Julian Tavarez ? Are they trying to lose on purpose ? How is he going to help the team ?

By Leprechaun

July 8, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

Rumor is the Braves are ready to sign Shawn Chacon to add to the bullpen with Tavarez.

It’s funny how the truth gets distorted in this TMZ world we’re living in. The truth is that Chacon has been signed by Francoeur to whack Frank Wren.

By Greg in TN

July 8, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this

Evening lads and lasses…

Last night wasn’t the opening stanza of the road trip we were quite looking for folks. Kuroda pitched out of his mind, located exceptionally well and kept his fastball and slider down in the zone which will make a fellow a winner nine times out of ten.

Another hard luck night for Jorge Campillo, who was victimized by a hanging curve to Nomar. That and the RBI single by Matt Kemp or they might still be playing that game at Chavez Ravine.

Tonight we get a look at the newly rejuvenated Jeff Francoeur, fresh from his version of Weekend at Bernie’s (sorry denizens, Weekend at Phillip’s just doesn’t have that same ring to it) and as an addition, we have Julian Tavarez coming in fresh off of a rather underwhelming seven appearance stint in Milwaukee.

Should we trade Tex or should we keep Tex? Nobody knows how much Liberty and the Braves brass will raise payroll for 2009. I don’t know if any increases will give Frank Wren enough payroll flexibility with Tex on board to put the other pieces in place to be competitive. On the other hand, I’m not convinced that any Tex trade would bring back any major league ready talent to step in and make up for the glaring hole his departure would make in an offense that has been very pedestrian lineup this season.

The Cubs and Brewers are making noise now in the NL Central. Whether we will make noise as a buyer or a seller will be determined in the next several weeks.

By Efrim

July 8, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this

Just like that, the Mets are a single game back of the Phillies in the loss column. Wow.

I might have to eat my hat about Mike Pelfrey too. The kid, depsite a terrible batting average against and BB/K rate, is pitching a lot better.

By Murphy

July 8, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

If Frenchy does not turn it around, I would hate to hear the boos he will start hearing after these interviews he is giving. He is walking a fine line between lack of humility and confident.

By StingerSplash

July 8, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

Julian Tavarez is Jeff Bennett with a little better stuff and a mean streak. He’s the guy you hate when he’s on the other team. But his own teammates - from all I have gathered - have had little bad to say about him. Can start; can relieve; doesn’t mind stirring up s—- with the team in the other dugout. He was kinda the odd man out in the Boston bullpen earlier this year. Maybe some regular work will help.

And on the Harden trade, the Cubs sent a lefty starter with major league experience, an infielder who’s already played in the bigs and an outfielder with a little bit (a little bit) of pop with major league experience. And those were spare parts for the Cubs. What package could the Braves have put together?

By Señor

July 8, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this

Julian Tavarez… Yippy!!!!!!!!! What a lift he’ll provide. A 7.05 ERA reliever should come in handy.

¿cuál es el problema? no le gustan acosta, bennett, boyer, carlyle, resop, soriano. Tan lanzamientos de Tavarez

By Robin

July 8, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Well, the Phils get shut out by the Cards tonight. Seems like they’re doing their damnedest to leave the door open for us. Lets go to work guys and get a win tonight!

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Murphy—

How cool!

They are great to watch when they are fighting over crackers.

I bet! We kept a turtle for a few months once, and she loved slugs and earthworms—strawberries, too! It fun to watch them eat!

By Mark T.

July 8, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

I dont understand why people feel moving KJ to 1st base would be good idea and attempting to sign Furcal. KJ is only in his 2nd year as a second baseman, his second year!!!If you guys arent enamored with his defense at 2nd, how much better is he going to be at 1st base? Just Curious…Furcal is still on the DL with back problems, so that means if we re-sign him to a multi year deal, there’s a real possibility we’d have him on the DL for a periods of time here as well. ANd we are already dealing with the DL this year more than I have ever seen with us. Plus, the last thing we want to see is another high priced aquisition(i.e. Hampton), making continuous extended trips to the DL and essentially wasting money on player you couldve used on someone else.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Y’know Tex puts up good numbers no one can argue that.

But he has yet to show, me anyway, that he’s the kind of guy who can put a team on his back and carry them.

Like what Andruw did in ‘05.

If you’re going to pay a guy over 20 mil he should be a nightly force, not a sneaky numbers kind of guy.

I think Tex is a luxury item.

By DCbrave

July 8, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

McFann Indeed that piece of yours about the box turtle is sweet and cute. It indeed make those of us who way passed the looking-at-turtle age feel good.

But I don’t get that “first time in over five years” thing. Shouldn’t be first time ever?

By McFann©

July 8, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

Night, all!!

GO BRAVES!!

By Deep Throat

July 8, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

It’s amazing how proactive other teams are, and how the Braves just sit around and let their holes fester and cost them wins waiting till late July.

Remember 2006? Mets had a hole in their rotation and traded for Orlando Hernandez in May. That same year, while the Braves’ epicly-bad bullpen was blowing game after game after game, the Braves waited until July 24th to get Bob Wickman.

Last year, the Braves stuck with Thorman and Julio Franco until the July 30th trade for Teixeira.

The Brewers make a big trade, then in one day the Cubs respond.

Meanwhile, this season, the Braves continue to keep troting out their worst-in-the-NL outfield day in and day out. No rush, Wren. I’m sure the Braves won’t be much further out while you wait till July 31st to fix it.

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

also since CC was traded the Yankees are expected to go after him I would think more than a BIG(millions) bat.

bravos2249, the Yankees are said to be “in” on every big ticket free agent. If I was an agent I would make sure that rumor got out there to drive the price up. I would like to see the Braves target him or Sheets during the offseason.

It’s one thing to be disappointed at how this season has turned out so far, but it is a far far different thing to ask that the Braves surrender the next several seasons , at best, by trading Tex for minor leaguers.

Due to injuries to critical players, this has become a rebuilding, “let the young players get experience” season while never falling impossibly out of the race.

If you want to win beyond this season there really isn’t a case to be made that trading Tex isn’t your best option.

By BravesDave

July 8, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

That package that the Cubs gave up for Harden made me sick to my stomach. Absolutely sick to my stomach. Even if Harden makes 5 starts for the Cubs and is injured for the rest of the season, the A’s still got ripped off.

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

correction:

If you want to win beyond this season there really isn’t a case to be made that trading Tex is your best option.

By SNIPER-69

July 8, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

In an exchange with Doc Holliday a few days ago I told him the Mets would be in first place in the next 15-20 games. Of course he had some choice words for me (Which I expected). Don’t look now but the Mets are putting things together while the braves prove they weren’t as talened, deep and young as many of the brave fans thought. LETS GO METS!!!

By Mark T.

July 8, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

I’d like to see us acquire a SP(could even be Maddux), a power bat in LF(preferably Bay, because he is a more consistent Power bat than Nady- I just think he is doing this in a walk year and will go back to his .267-.275 average), move Campillo to the setup role- it has been duly stated(even by Vin Scully) that he is tough on hitters the 1st time around,so we can use him as our Gonzalez bridge. Go with Blanco as our fulltime CF, only because we now know Kotsay isnt going to play everyday. So our lineup will consist of Blanco - CF, Escobar - SS, Chipper, Tex, Bay, McCann, Franceour or KJ(you can flip flop them). Your bench has Diaz, Infante, Kotsay, Miller, Norton. The bench would be more seasoned than it is now. The Rotation has Hudson, JJ, Glavine, Maddux, Reyes/Hampton/Morton.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

Frenchy v. Andruw in the 6 hole.

Wonder who is going to win that battle?

By repo man

July 8, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

Wren, car shopping today found a used pitcher model that had been traded in twice already this year and bought it for Braves Bull pen. Seems like Braves go to junk yard often for bargins. He11 I repo everynight while people watch the game. He should call me.

Why can’t Wren at least get newer model with less miles and more horse power.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

OK, back with the denizens now. Had to get in a lot of notes, including the chronicles of Tavares’ colorful and suspension-filled career.

Been suspended at least five times, mostly for fighting. He’s a brawler, I knew that from his brief time with the Marlins when I was covering the team. Hair-trigger, this guy, though teammates usually say he’s a good guy. It’s the OTHER team he has the problems with. And umpires. Knocked over one in a brawl once, threw a glove during an argument with one.

Then there was his infamous comment about the fans in San Francisco who booed him after he kicked a Giants player during a brawl. He said he didn’t care what the fans there thought of him, since they were all, uh, well, he called them a-holes (but used the whole word) and, uh, well, an offensive term for gays.

Anyway …

Hey, we’re playing ball here, folks. Beautiful night, cool breeze here in Chavez Ravine. Braves don’t pack this place like they used to, that’s for sure.

Even for a midweek series, they used to draw big crowds for Braves. Not anymore. This would be a huge crowd by, say, Florida standards. And a good crowd in Atlanta. But not by Dodger Stadium standards.

By Coward Met Fan

July 8, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

Yeah Baby! Out in the sun and it feels fine!!! I’ve been in hiding since the big 4 game massacre but it’s good times for us Queens-lovers now. Let’s see what’s on my mind these days…

You suck. Pedro for Cy Young.

Let’s go Mets!

By Greg in TN

July 8, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

Sharp play on first by Tex to complete the double play. It’s not easy to keep a foot on the bag in that situation.

By Mark T.

July 8, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

Sorry Guys…moving KJ or Chipper to 1st, we dont complete that twin killing….It would be 1 - 0 dodgers next year if KJ or Chip is there. We should be trying to sign him anyway. We traded one away(LaRoche) and know we are going to let one in his prime get away - we better not. If Tex leaves, let it be because he chased the dollar not because we didnt make him a competitive offer to stay.

By TURTSNAP

July 8, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

Well, Chipper walked, so no chance of a perfect game…. but…… are there termites in the bat racks????

By SNIPER-69

July 8, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

*DOB, I’ve read some of your post that accuse me of bringing nothing to the blog. All I can say is if your expecting me to throw out a bunch numbers and stat’s I will disapoint you. I base my post’s more on what I see and not just numbers. I’m sure you know that numbers could be twisted in any direction to make your point look valid. I prefer wins and losses. I try to keep it simple. I’ll let the writers and hard core bloggers get caught up in the stat’s web. Take Pelfrey for example. As a fan I *KNEW severeal starts ago that he had turned a corner in his development. I couldn’t prove it but as a fan that followed my team it was obvious. Anyway I thought I’d give you my thoughts for whatever it’s worth which is not much if you’re the one minding the counter.

By BravesDave

July 8, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

Nice to see another Dodgers pitcher mowing down the Braves with a minimum of pitches. I might actually get to sleep at a reasonable time again tonight.

By TURTSNAP

July 8, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Is this a Mets blog or a Braves blog? Mets fans been drinking the happy juice?

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this

Great scoop by Tex. He’s really played a lot better defensively after a couple of rough plays early on.

By the way, I asked Chipper about Tex’s comment, how Tex said he hoped trade rumors involving him wouldn’t become a distraction for the team.

Chipper said, “Him being traded or not traded is not going to become a distraction. What’s a distraction is losing, getting to the point where we have to trade him. That’s what’s a distraction.

“We can avoid all that if we start winning ballgames, plain and simple. You don’t want to listen to stuff about Tex, start winning some games.”

Then I said, and if you don’t start winning, you can expect to hear plenty about Tex and trades?

“Yeah, you’re going to have to,” he said. “I mean, with the way baseball is these days, you fall out of contention and you’ve got a guy you don’t know you can sign the next year, then quite honestly you’d be stupid not to at least entertain [offers].

“I mean, I realize that. People may not want to hear me say that, but you’ve got to realize the business of baseball. I understand it.”

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

I’d love to see us work a few more counts…actually I’d just love to see us do anything offensively.

A walk. Get beaned. Anything would be nice.

By Fi-

July 8, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

Ugh, will someone tell Francoeur to zip it already! If you REALLY want to put “all of this behind you” then how about you stop saying you didn’t agree with the decision they made to send you down. Honestly, if it were up to me, Francoeur would still be in double A, no matter how many injuries the Braves had! Suck it up and understand that you’re slumping BAD. The Braves have every right to send you wherever they want to get it corrected.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

A bunt that goes into the 6th row…that’s new to me

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

Wow! After reading all that about Tavares’ career exploits, I’m thinking now that bringing in Bonds may not be so far fetched after all.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

Scully just described Blanco as a guy with a good arm.

Must have meant the one with the glove on it.

By semiballcoach

July 8, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

let tex go, don’t re-sign glavine….use that money to sign ben sheets, move mccann to 1st…

By kris

July 8, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

1 hit in 12 innings-Pendleton has got to freakin go! ACCOUNTABILITY!!!

WAY TO SWING THERE ESCOBAR WITH A RUNNER AT THIRD-NICE JOB!

By mamie

July 8, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

How come so many baseball players are swollen and look like incrediable hulk?

i DON’T like hip hop…..If blacks get the opportunity to play with braves again, they would be the best ever…. What about willie mays……give the opportunity

By Kentavo

July 8, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

I love Jair, glad we got him and realize why Renteria was traded becuase Escobar was ready, but… If you’re looking for why the Braves struggle to score runs, look no further than the absence of the steady Renteria. He had the ability to get on base, extend an inning, and also drive in runs. And he was clutch. Weren’t his two years in Braves uni among the team’s most explosive offensively?

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this

ernest — ouch. good line.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

Listening to Vin call a game is sublime.

Keeps it moving, doesn’t annoy you with personal stories, has perfect timing for color vs. play by play.

Dodger fans have it good.

By BravesDave

July 8, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

ONE hit in 12 innings so far in this series. I am impressed. That 17-inning epic victory over Houston really got the Braves rolling. Pure momentum right there.

By Efrim

July 8, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

“Yeah, you’re going to have to,” he said. “I mean, with the way baseball is these days, you fall out of contention and you’ve got a guy you don’t know you can sign the next year, then quite honestly you’d be stupid not to at least entertain [offers].

The million dollar question is, what’s “falling out of contention” mean? 5-7 games? 10 games? 4-5 games with 3 teams in front of you in the division? Can’t wait to see how this all plays out.

That said, it’d be nice to not have to go through all of that. So maybe if the Braves can win something like 8 in a row, we won’t need to go through it. Of course, you need to get more than a hit in a road series. Through 12 innings, the Braves have one double by the guy they might trade at the deadline.

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Baseball epigram

Live by the hit and run; die by the hit and run

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Well, that’s one thing Perry couldn’t have done in RF. Fine throw by Jeff F.

By Bo

July 8, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

Man it would be hard to replace Tex’s glove at 1st. Four throws he has dug out tonight.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

That’s five out of the last six batters he’s struck out. Oy.

By Mark T.

July 8, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Feel like I am watching yesterday all over again!!!!

By keylargo

July 8, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Chipper looks so lousy at bat that he, JF, and AJ are going to be known as the Three Andruws.

By I was a teenage Francophile

July 8, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

I’m sure you know that numbers could be twisted in any direction…

Like:

Chipper is hitting .383 so you can twist that around to prove he is a lousy hitter.

Corky is hitting .093 but a very effective .093.

By Shamus Thacker

July 8, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

I think allowing Frenchy to languish in double-A for two days was extreme. They shoulda brought him back before he got on the plane to Mippissppippi. If it was for shock value, they coulda just said, “GOT YA,” after informing him of the demotion, and laughed it off. Wellman would have to put a nuclear suppository down Frenchy’s foxhole to groove him in two days. They brought him back for some other reason; maybe he bawled and squawled till Wellman begged the Bravos to take him back…

By TURTSNAP

July 8, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

This guy doesn’t look nearly as nasty as last nights pitcher, but the Bravos just don’t look like they have a clue.

By Robin

July 8, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

Guess what folks ….we’re gettin’ owned by some incredible Dodger pitching. Couple that with our recent anemia at the plate ……….not pretty.

By geauxbraves2000

July 8, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

One run scored in the last 22 innings. 1 hit in the last 13 innings. Makes this team fun to watch, no?

Come on Braves, you are better than this!!

Geaux Braves!!

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this

La Jolla Dawg, I’ll be driving down to S.D. on Thursday, after I write an off day story in L.A. (and let the rush hour traffic dissipate).

Unfortunately they haven’t starting up at Del Mar yet, or we’d be headed there on the off day.

I might get up to La Jolla, but I don’t know. E-mail me the store’s name. I’m staying down in the Gaslamp District.

By Flanders

July 8, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

Braves To-Do List: Get a HIT!!

By BravesDave

July 8, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

ONE hit in 13 innings.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

Hey, at least Francoeur put it in play — and to RF. He’s struck out or walked everyone else in the last two innings.

By the way, that’s 22 scoreless innings with six hits in the Braves last three road games, going to the finale at Toronto.

By Mike

July 8, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

This team has some of the worst approaches at the plate I’ve ever seen. Night after night, take fastballs, swing at breaking balls in the dirt. Unreal….and all u scumbag Met fans get real…where are you going with Billy Wagner??? Guy is a joke.

By Chuck

July 8, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

What happened to Phil Stockman? He pitched well in his brief time in Atlanta and also in Richmond, but since he was sent back to Richmond, he doesn’t seem to have been used in a game. Is he with Richmond, or has he gone elsewhere?

By Greg O.

July 8, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

Congratulations to traded-for-Tex Matt Harrison on winning his major league debut, outdeuling All-Star and previously 12-4 Joe Saunders. 7 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K.

By Jeff321

July 8, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

Tex is great at defense but really isn’t “clutch enough” in the offensive category for me. And I would really like to try and recoup some talent before the trade deadline.

Concerning Frenchy — I have decided to take it easy on the guy for a while. With that said, I don’t have a problem with players ripping on each other for lousy play. However, that goodwill doesn’t extend to the GM who just sent ya down for hitting like crap. So, I would suggest ya get to hitting, eh?

By GeorgetownKid

July 8, 2008 11:22 PM | Link to this

The pitcher we acquired in exchange for T. Pena last year, Erik Cordier, pitched today for Rome. It was his first outing in about 2 years.

He didn’t do too well, but it’s cool that he’s up and running again.

He was a legit prospect before he got hurt.

By brent a.

July 8, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this

And Harrison’s debut goes well.

7 IP’s and a 3-2 win over the Angels.

Good for him.

I would really be upset to type that, but the Braves already have 2 hits tonight, so things are looking up ;-).

By uga-brave

July 8, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this

i can honestly say reading about mcfann’s turtles is more exciting then this.

mcfann i mean that with no disrespect.

time to realize that this is a average team playing below average.

i know that is a huge revelation.

By Mark T.

July 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

Chuck, he is at our summer home…the Disabled List

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

As Chipper said, a sac bunt should be a lay up.

By chrisklob

July 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

I don’t know if anyone noticed this or not but I found it to be interesting. Before the game, Katie Temple interviewed Frenchy in front of his locker. On the left side of his locker, hanging from a hook, was a Mississippi Braves hat. I wonder if it was meant as a joke from one of his teammates or if he’s using it as motivation.

He has hit the ball to the right side twice tonight, albeit the second AB I think he just got around late on a 94 mph heater from Billingsley.

By kris

July 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

Pitcher can’t lay down the bunt-I simply never see other teams fail so miserably bunting. It’s got to be Pendleton

By TURTSNAP

July 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

Get em on (KJ, Kotsay) Check Get em over (JJ) No Check

Get em in…………

By Bo

July 8, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

DOBif you were the Braves GM. What trades or changes would you try to make? Give names instead of just saying power hitter, pitcher and etc. If this put you in a bad situation with AJC or Braves I understand. Just like to hear your side, we have everyone elses.

By brent a.

July 8, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Shamus Thacker,

I really think that the best move would’ve been to have Ashton Kutcher on Francoeur’s plane last Friday.

By Robin

July 8, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

My Gawd why can’t we bunt????

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

Way to go, JJ!! Thanks for keeping up that 2008 Braves tradition of poor bunting skills!!!

These guys just kill me. But look! Blanco took a walk. Bases full.

Can someone make contact to drive in at least one run??

Anyone?

By TURTSNAP

July 8, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

….. Esco CHECK!!!!!

By cabravesfan

July 8, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

wow- i can’t believe Yunel even got a bat on that one…

By kris

July 8, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

FINALLY! am I dreaming? a hit with bases loaded on the road lol

By geauxbraves2000

July 8, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

Hot diggity! WTG Big E.

Geaux Braves!!

By chrisklob

July 8, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

Chuck, If I’m not mistaken, Stockman was put on Richmond’s DL with a bad hamstring.

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 11:30 PM | Link to this

God bless Yunel Escobar!!

A big hit in a clutch situation off a good pitcher. Wow. Haven’t seen that in a while….

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

Chuck, I believe Stockman’s on the DL in Richmond. Hope he heals soon…..

By Jeff321

July 8, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

Yunel = Mr. Clutch

Too bad Big Tex’s clutch hits are few and far between, eh? So, do ya pay Mr. Anti-Clutch over $20M or Yunel 400K?

By keylargo

July 8, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

Tex is not among the top 5 first basemen in the National League in the All Star voting, which is a pretty good indicator of where you rank among your peers.

The Astros Lance Berkman is on a 6 year $85M contract.

The Cardinals Puhols is making $100 over 7 years.

The Mets Carlos Del Gado is on a 4 year $52M contract.

The Cubs Derrick Lee is on a 5 year $65M contract.

The Rockies Todd Helton is on a 9 year $141.5M contract.

Two other younger players have not yet been eligible for free agency yet. They are:

Prince Fielder - renewed at $1.67M and the Phillies Howard signed a one year $10M contract.

The reason Texas traded Tex is because he declined on a 7 year $140 offer.

I believe he would expect $22 to $25M for at least 7 years to sign. I just do not feel that this is in line with what the market is and what Tex has to offer.

He has played a major part in the early season slump the Braves were in. His production is good when he is going but you have to wonder where we would be with him hitting .300 behind Chipper’s .400. How would 4 or 5 more wins look in the standings now?

I strongly believe we should get the best package we can before the trade deadline. It’s just too big of a crap shoot to draft and wait/hope players develop. Get some solid MLB in trade now and be ready next season.

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

Good job Escobar!

And to think some have suggested replacing him with that great prospect Elvis Andrus!

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this

Big three-run knock from Yunel. He was hitting .232 with two RBI in his previous 14 games.

By Chop Chop

July 8, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Yunel got a big hit!

Hampton’s gonna be the savior!

We can still do this!

By kris

July 8, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Where will Francoer’s out be next? At least Chambi made the call exciting-you would have thought Francoer hit a game winning home run in the world series by flying out to right field lol

all kidding aside, i’ll lay off on him till the end of july-hopefully he turns it around.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

Too bad Big Tex’s clutch hits are few and far between, eh? So, do ya pay Mr. Anti-Clutch over $20M or Yunel 400K?Jeff321

I fail to see how the two are related. It’s not an either/or proposition for the Braves, sign Tex or Yunel. What are you talking about?

Chrisklob, Stockman was indeed put back on DL for that recurring hammy problem.

By GeorgetownKid

July 8, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

uga-brave

What exactly is your point when you opine that the Braves are “a average team playing below average?”

Do you want the Braves to give up? Do you want the rest of us to stop watching? The Braves are a professional baseball team, so they have no choice but to continue playing baseball. They can’t shift to being a manufacturing company (even though Chipper would be a great foreman - straight out of central casting).

I don’t understand why so many of the bloggers here love to assert how mediocre the Braves are? If you really think that, why are you watching the games and talking about them here?

The Braves have a genuinely realistic shot at making the playoffs and have a similar record to several teams that are still considered contenders. The Braves’ pitching staff is far exceeding expectations, and their offense is entirely capable of going on a roll.

If the Braves have one hot streak in which they win 9 out of 10 games - just one streak - they would be back above .500 and right in the thick of things.

As a Braves fan, I hope that happens, even if you think they are “a average team playing below average.”

By Cooper

July 8, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

Can someone ask Wren what his plan?

I mean teams are trading for stars and we are digging through dumpster.

This reeks of JS moves back during his “i hate the economics of baseball” rant.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

Nice leadoff work from Kemp — 0-for-3 with three strikeouts.

By Robin

July 8, 2008 11:45 PM | Link to this

MAC!!!

By brent a.

July 8, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this

5 games out …here we come!

By kris

July 8, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this

Francoer nice -laying off that outside crap so far so good-no wild misses tonight

By TURTSNAP

July 8, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

Hey Kris, not an out, good rip by Frenchy! With the exception of the one swing tonight where he almost fell down, his AB’s tonight have looked 150% better than he had been looking.

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

McFann is rejoicing. 4-0 Braves, on the road.

And Frenchy singled after!!! My eyes must be deceiving me!

By Greg O.

July 8, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

Today’s sign of the apocolypse: Frenchy just got a hit. And he actually had so much luck for it to be a low liner that found a hole. Haven’t seen that in a while.

By JC from UT

July 8, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

Would anyone be interested in Casey Blake from Cleveland. He can play both corner OF positions as well as both 3rd and 1st. How about giving up Lil’bbridge for him?

By Robert S

July 8, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

McFann must be celebrating. 4-0 Braves, and on the road.

And Frenchy singled after!! My eyes must be deceiving me!

By ernesto

July 8, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

Kelly’s swing is just too big.

That’s why he’s a guy with a great recognition of the strikezone and such a poor contact hitter.

By brent a.

July 8, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

chrisklob,

My gut feeling is that the “M” Braves hat is Francoeur’s choice, and is a motivational tactic.

With all that has gone on with Jeff over the last 6 days, I seriously doubt that his teammates would rib him in that nature, before he even stepped back on the field.

Just my hunch.

By kirknga

July 8, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this

Tex is not among the top 5 first basemen in the National League in the All Star voting, which is a pretty good indicator of where you rank among your peers.

It’s the fans, not his peers, that does the All Star voting.

Texas offered 8 years $140 million.

I believe he would expect $22 to $25M for at least 7 years to sign. I just do not feel that this is in line with what the market is and what Tex has to offer.

If that is what he gets then that is what the “market had to offer”

Are you coming to terms with the possibility that Tex is going to be paid more than some people think he’s worth?

By KC

July 8, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

YEAH BABY!!! Two good swings tonight from Frenchy. Great sign!!!

Great sign in general that the Braves have made adjustments tonight offensively, and have gotten to an extremely tough starter for 4 runs though 5 innings.

Hang on and win tonight… then hope Huddy has his best stuff tomorrow.

By David O'Brien

July 8, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

Phillies lose, Marlins down 7-1 in San Diego, Mets win again … race going to be interesting, whether it’s three teams or four is the only question.

By Homer

July 8, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I don’t chime in much, but since you are headed down to San Diego, I have to recommend a place to get the best burgers on the planet. Rocky’s Crown Pub in Pacific Beach (corner of Ingraham and La Playa) The burgers are fantastic. Too bad the Navy sent me away a few years ago. (Actually probably good for my heart!)

Only go if you want a burger though, only other thing on the menu is fries.

By Jeff321

July 8, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

I fail to see how the two are related. It’s not an either/or proposition for the Braves, sign Tex or Yunel. What are you talking about?

Basically I don’t think Tex is worth $10M a year. And was thinking we could sign a whole bunch of “Yunel’s” for that $20M. In other words, Tex is not the answer regardless of how many games the Braves are back at the break. We finished in third before him, third with him and now we’re in fourth.

By Robin

July 8, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

Big knock by Blanco. Attababy!!

By kris

July 8, 2008 11:59 PM | Link to this

This team has enough trouble scoring runs-if you trade Tex who is going to replace his rbi total which is still good?

trading Tex is giving up the season. play out the year-if we get nothing for him so be it.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this

georgetown kid,

i think you have eaten too many dipping dots down at the ted the last few years.

georgetown, i dont care whether you watch the games or not, but this is an average team. their record speaks for itself.

see all we had to do was talk about mcfann’s turtles and we had a rally.

rally turtles.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this

Billingsley threw 103 pitches in 5-1/3 innings.

By KC

July 9, 2008 12:02 AM | Link to this

Hey folks, I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this yet or not but…

Chance to pick up another game in the standings tonight. Phillies lost 2-0 with Hamels on the mound! Florida’s down by 6 runs in the 6th inning too.

Mets won tonight though. Gotta watch them… they’re heating up.

Replace Corky Miller! ANYONE will do!!

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 9, 2008 12:03 AM | Link to this

* Frenchy haters are happy now*

I guess so anyway, you got what you wanted. Frenchy got taken down a notch on the ego meter, huh??

I know as a player that there is no amount of pressure or expectations that can be put on a player that is greater than the one’s they place on themselves.

Right now I am enjoying watching the Braves get some runs from several different ways. Bases loaded hit, solo jack, and a little hit-and-run + sac + good opp field hit that was textbook.

The Dodgers probably have the best pitching staff in their division so the Braves are earning this all the way.

Go Braves !!

By KC

July 9, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this

THIS IS MORE LIKE IT BOYS!!!!!

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

So what’s everyone’s facination with making the playoffs? Does anyone really think the Braves could win three series against the best teams in MLB now? We can’t win three series against mediocre teams, much less say the Cubs, Diamondbacks, and Red Sox.

We had the fourteen straight years of Division winners and all we got for it is being branded as the MLB version of the Buffalo Bills. IMO we have no chance this year but I think if we retool by trading Tex, using the $50M or so of payroll on free agents that fit and continuing to develop the good young players in our system, we could contend for the WS next year.

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

Basically I don’t think Tex is worth $10M a year. And was thinking we could sign a whole bunch of “Yunel’s” for that $20M.

Jeff comeon now. Not worth $10 million? “A whole bunch of Yunels”? Where would they play? :)

You still letting Acosta off the hook right?

By KC

July 9, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

Jurrjens has been running it up there at 96mph tonight. Anyone else notice that?

Yikes.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves IN 2009)

July 9, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

O’Brien, if I’m not mistaken, John Smoltz had already been moved to the 60 day D.L. and the Braves still have one more roster spot open.

Just to alleviate any confusion for casual fans, players on the 60 day D.L. do not count against the 40 man roster. Leaving the Braves with 39 active players. Smoltz, Lerew and Moylan are all on the 60 day D.L.

By justafan

July 9, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this

Kirknga please give it a rest. Its not what we want but Management.

By fastasballs

July 9, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

Well tonight’s game is turning out much better than last night’s game.

Great pitching by JJJ, clutch hitting, good defense, & even a hit & run that worked.

By Robert S

July 9, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this

My gut feeling is that the “M” Braves hat is Francoeur’s choice, and is a motivational tactic.

Good observation. I don’t think he ever wants that to happen again. He has looked a lot more comfortable tonight, more so than in a long time. We’ll see how that bears out in the long run.

Went to go see an M-Braves game last night, and I left here in Mobile before word came that Jeff got recalled. Saw the game anyway, and I really liked the guy who pitched last night for Mississippi. Struck out a lot of guys after struggling early. In fact, he beaned the first guy he faced after nearly getting a homer hit off him (it went foul), but after the first inning he settled in and was sharp. I think the guy’s name was Medlen…..someone to look out for, for sure.

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this

kirknga

What’s your point?

Mine is I hope the Braves trade Tex, use the money ($22-$25) wisely, and be ready for the WS next year.

We could have four or five players from a trade and free agents that fit the Braves system instead of one overpaid first baseman.

By Pete H.

July 9, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this

Kinda funny that we’re winning big with both Chipper and Tex doing zippo.

Why all the whining about Tavarez. Yeah, he has been terrible this year, but he has a good arm and can eat some innings and take the stress off what we have left in our bullpen. I wouldn’t put him in a close game on a bet, though.

When Bennett and Soriano come back, he’s probably gone, so just relax.

Why is it that we get 28,703 posts when it’s a b***, but about 60 when the Braves are doing well?

By KC

July 9, 2008 12:27 AM | Link to this

keylargo: Yes, the Braves can win in October if they can get there.

If you haven’t noticed, pitching generally rules in October, and the Braves have good pitching.

As for the hitting… it’s going to get a lot better in the second half. I’m perfectly willing to wager on that. Seriously.

What about Francoeur tonight folks?! Sure, it’s just one game, but hasn’t he looked like a different player tonight? Sure seemed so to me.

Can he really just “flip a switch” and instantly get back to the Frenchy of old? Yes, he can. His problems were 100% between his ears. So if he’s been able to clear his head and hit the mental reset button… we could see a much different Frenchy from here on out. Here’s hoping.

By Robin

July 9, 2008 12:28 AM | Link to this

KC: yeah, this is fun stuff. Great job by J.J. and Ohman so far as well. Good to see the guys get to relax a little for a change.

By Carolina Matt

July 9, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this

Hey guys, for those of us who can’t watch the game, can anyone speak on how Frency looks at the plate? Any sign of life in his swing and stance? Or does he still just look lost…?

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

Andruw Jones does not have an arm any more. Not strong. Not accurate.

By BA

July 9, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

That’s a phenominal photo of Escobar’s swing on AJC.com. Loved the one of him doing his trademark leap last week also. He’s a helluva good player, damn near makes me forget how much I liked Renteria, and that’s saying something.

By DCbrave

July 9, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

What a game - everybody has at least one hit so far except our #3 and #4.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 12:35 AM | Link to this

DOB,

dont know if you are aware or not, but the braves pitching staff has given up the fewest hits in the N.L. and it is not all that close.

By chrisklob

July 9, 2008 12:36 AM | Link to this

Hats off to JJ tonight. He didn’t bring his “A” game tonight but still battled to give the team a QS and a chance to win.

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 9, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

OK - these announcer on Turner are over-talking this whole game.

I laughed when they said that it wasn’t a hit-and-run earlier but that it was a runner going on a 3-2 count — which is kinda 6 of one and a half/dozen of the other. Yeah the batter doesn’t have to swing but if it’s a strike he’s going to.

Then they just said that Kotsay got his 3rd hit so that means he wont be playing tomorrow or making the trip to San Diego — OK — I’m officially lost on that comment. I know he’s still getting healthy but I guess I must have missed something.

anybody here on the blog that can explain that

KC? Shaun? Scoots? Anyone??

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this

KC

I try to never get in the way of a man and his dreams. Any you have a big one tonight.

Las Vegas is ready when you are.

By cabravesfan

July 9, 2008 12:40 AM | Link to this

Gotta agree with you KC- Francoeur looks MUCH more relaxed tonight then he has all season- getting some good swings-a few days away from the team seem to have done him a whole lot of good…lets hope he keeps moving in the right direction

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this

Kirknga please give it a rest. Its not what we want but Management.

justafan, or whoever,can you please be more specific? Thanks so much.

keylargo

My point is as it has always been…I want to win. I want to win all the games we can this season, next season and beyond. I want the best team the Braves can afford to put out on the field every day of every season.

In my lifetime I’ve seen the Braves lose more years than they’ve won. Screw that rebuilding for several seasons crap! Been there done that and I like the only 1-2 pieces away from contending versions better.

Seeing my team lose is never fun to me and I want to see my teams keep fighting until there ain’t no more season left. I guess I’m weird like that.

I’m so glad we didn’t have this blog back in those seasons when the Braves were trailing in the division with far less time than we have to go now.

Weren’t the Braves 10 games back that in August one season and won? Why yes they were and yes they did! Aren’t we glad that they didn’t give up in July and start selling off pieces of the team?

Winning, that’s my point!

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

KC,

i give you credit, and i mean it, you are a great fan.

By Jeff321

July 9, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

Hey guys, for those of us who can’t watch the game, can anyone speak on how Frency looks at the plate? Any sign of life in his swing and stance? Or does he still just look lost…?

Earlier he took 3 pitches then hit a sharp one to Kent for an out.. With that said, if I didn’t know any better — I’d say Jeff looks like he got some “shock treatment” while at Mississippi. He really looks that different at the plate. However, one game surely isn’t enough to say he’s been fixed. Yet, it sure looks like his tendency to swing at pitches 3 feet outside and by his head is temporarily squelched.

Andruw Jones does not have an arm any more. Not strong. Not accurate.

AJ hasn’t had a good arm for quite a few years. Btw, I noticed he was using a different stance (at least with 2 strikes) almost standing 3/4 towards the pitcher.

By BA

July 9, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

Boyer’s the new long man. Congatulations Buddy Carlyle, the eigth inning job is yours.

Pete H: I don’t know where all the mouth breathers go. But I hope they stay gone tonight. The late night/early morning crowd is underrated around here. You, Moby Grape, nollie, chop chop…good stuff. We generally keep it down to one retard after midnight.

By Chop Chop

July 9, 2008 12:45 AM | Link to this

KC,

I ain’t buyin’ that Sport South gun. I think I saw Glavine hit 90 once on that thing this year.

By the way, I’m happy for you. You have something positive to type about tonight. I can almost feel that overwhelming tide of Braves victories coming on any minute now.

(Ha.)

Nice to see Caveman make an appearance.

I also see that kirknga is holding it down, too. kirknga, I just hope that you and KC are there to shake Hampton’s hand after he leads us to the promised land.

Nice song choice, DOB.

I read “I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead: The Dirty Life and Times of Warren Zevon” several months ago. In it, there’s a little bit about how “Desperadoes Under the Eaves” was made. Warren had different people (Jackson Browne, Lindsey Buckingham, etc.) sing backup vocals on the song, including the Everly Brothers. Well, the problem was that the Everlys couldn’t stand each other at that point, had split up, and had both gone solo. Well, Warren got one of them (can’t remember if it was Don or Phil) in to lay down a vocal track. The next day, he got the other one in. Neither brother knew the other was involved. In the finished product, their voices are mixed together like they’d never been apart.

Kinda cool.

Good win tonight. Let’s be good for, oh, a month. That would be nice.

By KC

July 9, 2008 12:45 AM | Link to this

I’ll bet you anything we see Gonzalez in the 9th… even with a 6 run lead (if that holds).

Can’t say I’m a big fan of BC’s way of thinking that anything less than an 8-run lead is a save situation.

By Carolina Matt

July 9, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this

Great news Jeff, thanks. Let’s hope this sticks.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this

gotta hunch we are gonna see tavarez in the ninth.

still remember him crying his eyes out in the the indians dugout after the braves won the series.

By Robin

July 9, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this

Carolina Matt: He actually looks pretty good, certainly more confident, no bat on the shoulder “thing”.

By Cherokee

July 9, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

What gives here? DOB mentioned yesterday help was on the way internally or externally, but you have to be kidding me? He ain’t takin’ time from Buddy now is he?Doug

Yeah Julio, Nunez, Tavarez the same kind of over the hill has beens/never weres that the Braves regularly pick up on the cheap and try to get by on. Is there anyone here who believes any of them will be successful for any length of time this season?

By geauxbraves2000

July 9, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this

Back to Back Jacks!!

By Robert S

July 9, 2008 12:53 AM | Link to this

DCbrave - that’s what the Braves really need - a more balanced attack, and take the pressure of Chipper and Tex. So if they have an off night like tonight, the rest of the guys can pick them up rather than roll over and play dead as they’ve done so often lately.

Overall, the best game they’ve played in a long while. But given their inconsistency, I hesitate to say that they’re starting a trend…….they still have a lot of holes, especially on the bench.

Well, Tex hit a dinger! Guess he decided to join the hit parade too. And McCann went deep!!! McFann’s gotta be lovin’ this!

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 12:59 AM | Link to this

kirknga

I think the year you are referring to them being back 10 games in Aug. was 1993. They won 104 games that year. Hardly a team that compares with this one. (although Tex and BMac just went back to back).

I’ve been a Braves fan a lont time too. I remember listening to the 1966 opener with the Pirates when Tony Cloniger went 13 and lost. This years Braves have had too many injuries and just plain lack something.

But they are close. I said this earlier but they don’t have enough to win 3 playoff series this year but I think they can tweak the roster with trades (Tex), free agents acquired with money freed up (Hampton, Smoltz, Glavine, Tex) and continued development of the young players.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves IN 2009)

July 9, 2008 12:59 AM | Link to this

Watching the top of the ninth. Teixeira HR, McCann HR, Francoeur strikes out looking. He went 1 for 5 tonight. Sorry folks, Frenchy’s pitch recognition is still non-existent.

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this

I also see that kirknga is holding it down, too. kirknga, I just hope that you and KC are there to shake Hampton’s hand after he leads us to the promised land.

I’m looking forward to the gnashing of teeth should the Braves resign Hampton!!

By Marc

July 9, 2008 1:03 AM | Link to this

Chuck,

Do some research. It’s been mentioned here many times—Stockman has a hamstring strain and is on the DL in Richmond.

By Braveheart

July 9, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry. I fell asleep. That’s why Freddy Krueger is now on the mound and needlessly loading the bases.

By Murphy

July 9, 2008 1:06 AM | Link to this

Well, maybe this will be the end of the Tavarez experiment?

By KC

July 9, 2008 1:06 AM | Link to this

Coach: He put a couple of really nice swings on the ball tonight. Still looked better to me tonight than he looked before being sent down. Time will tell.

Give him another day or two, will ya?

By Kentavo

July 9, 2008 1:06 AM | Link to this

Not a good first impression for ol’ Tavarez.

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 1:07 AM | Link to this

Jeff321

Nice to have someone agree about AJ’s arm and defense in general. This spring I wrote that Kotsay would give us better overall defense and more outfield assists than Andruw and I got ripped. I pointed out that AJ had three assists last year and was told how the entire league was scared to run on him and that was why his assists were so low. AJ still has his admirers in ATL.

By Daybed Wagmoe

July 9, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

Well, at least Tavarez isn’t surprising anyone by his performance tonight.

By KC

July 9, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

I’m glad they didn’t go to Gonzo to start the 9th, but… can we please end the Tavarez experiment now?

Please call someone up from Richmond and thank Mr. Tavarez for his interest in playing for the Braves.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

Is the ink dry on that Tavarez contract?

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 9, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this

Boy - I feel McCann’s pain right now.

YO Nolie You ever catch a guy like that , with a mixup on every other pitch??

I think I did in HS but at the Major League level it is a rarity to see that. I know it has a lot to do with the fact that we just signed him and got him on the mound in 1 day. But still gotta be frustrating to all concerned.

By Jeff321

July 9, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this

Wow, Tavarez isn’t very impressive.. I do recall his face but not his pitching. Anyway, McCann also got crossed up on signs and just about took one in the mouth! Hasn’t this guy been out of baseball for a few months? Because his control is awful tonight.

By KC

July 9, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this

Chop Chop: Gun could be off… but Boyer was topping out at about 95 with this gun, and that’s certainly not the top of his range in terms of velocity. Billingsly’s velocity also seemed pretty typical.

By Marc

July 9, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this

Take it easy on Tavarez. We have a big lead, he hasn’t pitched in a few weeks, and he’s only been with this club for a few hours.

By Marc

July 9, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this

Take it easy on Tavarez. We have a big lead, he hasn’t pitched in a few weeks, and he’s only been with this club for a few hours.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 1:14 AM | Link to this

gonzo has looked awesome ever since he has come back.

cutter in, change away, an a heavy fastball. real closer stuff.

By VolBrave

July 9, 2008 1:14 AM | Link to this

I better wake up tommorrow morning and see that Julian Tavares is released…John S. would never sign a disaster like that. What is Wren thinking?

By geauxbraves2000

July 9, 2008 1:15 AM | Link to this

With the way things were heading in the 9th, this game needed to be ended, so bring in Gonzalez IMO was a good move.

Nice game tonight Braves, great pitching, timely hitting, like the Braves of old.

One more tomorrow and head to SD with a road series win!

Geaux Braves!!

By Tomas

July 9, 2008 1:16 AM | Link to this

I just knew Taveras would be a mistake. Frank Wren this is the biggest screw up you’ve done so far. There are two moves, that i would have not done, signing glavine, and now taveras.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves IN 2009)

July 9, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

C’mon, what else should we expect from Tavarez who hasn’t been pitched since June 14th? Great job Bobby !

Gonzo comes in and nails it down and he should have not even been needed except for the brilliant management of &%$#@%&@# Bobby Cox ! GEEESH !

Just five games separate the Phillies, Marlins, Mets and Braves. Mediocrity rules supreme !

By Braves TBS-Guy in Ca

July 9, 2008 1:18 AM | Link to this

Tavares is ruining my smart-alec comment somewhat, but I was just waiting for someone to “whine” with some comments like the ever popular “NOW we score 9” or the time-tested “if we had saved 5 of those for the last two games we’d only be 3 back”. of course someone would have to throw in the “if KJ made a 2 hand catch we would be 1 back” garbage.

It is a long season; root, agonize, b***, whatever, but don’t punt until there are only 6 left and your are 7 out!

By justafan

July 9, 2008 1:18 AM | Link to this

Kirknga give the tex trade a rest. got it!!! enough is enough man!!!

By Robert S

July 9, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

Now Bobby and Frank know first hand why two other teams dumped Tavarez this year. Hurry up and get well, Phil Stockman!!

Good comeback by Gonzo to “put a lid on it,” and a good win.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

ya’ll need to be easy on tavarez. tavarez did not sign tavarez.

By A-ville Ranger

July 9, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

I think Frenchy should have been left in Mississippi longer.That last at bat looked too much like too many others this season.

By Chop Chop

July 9, 2008 1:23 AM | Link to this

Did You Know?

Did you know that Julian Tavarez was 10-2 (and fourth on the team in wins) with the 1995 Cleveland Indians? He pitched in five games against the Braves in the World Series that year, posting a 0.00 ERA in 4.1 IP.

By rolltideface

July 9, 2008 1:25 AM | Link to this

Wow- that’s pretty brutal guys. Tavares just got here. Hasn’t pitched in a while, give him a break. Manny Acosta looks like that on a regular basis and he’s still here.

By Lew

July 9, 2008 1:27 AM | Link to this

I’m thinking that will be the only appearance as a Brave for Tavares. Hope so, anyway. McCann probably does, too.

By GermanBravesFan

July 9, 2008 1:27 AM | Link to this

A’s trade for Harden, the Braves sign Tavarez…. hmmmm.

DOB: missed you a few weeks ago after I got back from seeing The Boss in Cardiff, Wales. He absolutely rocked! Setlists, etc. are on www.backstreets.com

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 1:28 AM | Link to this

Something tells me that y’all are going to come to miss Acosta.

keylargo well you’re going back longer than me, but you get where I’m coming from.

I don’t want to be Kansas City, or Pittsburgh, or Tampa Bay(who has had a great 1/2 season) once you start intentionally rebuilding you don’t know when you’ll ever win again. That is what a lot of people here are contemplating becoming and we’re 5 games out with 3 months to go.

I’m not saying we’ll make the playoffs. I just want to get back above .500 before I start talking playoffs, but I don’t want to disarm by trading vets like Tex and Ohman as some want to do.

Ride it out. Once you get over that Tex is going to be paid more money than you think he’s worth it becomes easier to look at the big picture. I don’t think people have accepted that yet.

But doesn’t tonight feel better than last night? Don’t you want to feel more like tonight and less like last night? Then you don’t trade away 17Hr’s and 67 Rbi’s for someone who might be able to play at the major league level.

By Josh

July 9, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this

You can say this win was a result of solid starting pitching, sound defense, clutch hitting and homeruns; all hallmarks of the Brave’s success over the years.

But the one undeniable factor in tonight’s win, nay, the rest of the season is…McFann’s Rally Turtle

Hold on to that turtle

By Robin

July 9, 2008 1:30 AM | Link to this

*Then they just said that Kotsay got his 3rd hit so that means he wont be playing tomorrow or making the trip to San Diego — OK — I’m officially lost on that comment. I know he’s still getting healthy but I guess I must have missed something.

anybody here on the blog that can explain that*

Caveman: I caught that too but, still don’t understand wassup with that. 3 hit maximum???

Little help somebody.

By GermanBravesFan

July 9, 2008 1:33 AM | Link to this

Oooops… of course, I meant the CUBS traded for Harden. My bad…

By A-ville Ranger

July 9, 2008 1:45 AM | Link to this

Can somebody list the Braves best starting pitching prospects in their minor league system ?

By Josh

July 9, 2008 1:47 AM | Link to this

Robin Boog and Jon were referring to Kotsay’s Dad. Apparently he went to the game yesterday, his son had an 0-fer so he decided he was bad luck and wouldn’t come to the game tonight. They were joking that since Kotsay had a good night tonight his Dad wouldn’t go to the game tomorrow either.

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

kirknga

You and I are definitely on the same side, the Braves. We just disagree on how to handle Tex.

The main reason I don’t want to sign him is that it is going to take $22 - $25 million. Did you see the rest of the first basemen’s salaries that are as good (Helton) or better (Lee, Berkman, Puhols)? Helton makes about $15 and Lee,Berkman,Puhols less. And no one is even close to $22 - $25 a year.

The salary is reason enough for me but you also have to remember Chipper is in his option year next year. He will stay a Brave but do you insult him and say $18M to Chipper? I don’t think so. You will end up with close to $50 million in two players.

And then there is one more factor. Boras. He will skew the payroll and might lead to derision in the clubhouse. I would not sign a player who had him as an agent.

Go Braves.

By Bops

July 9, 2008 1:49 AM | Link to this

Blame Bobby all you want for putting Gonzalez in but he know that these games are must wins and we have to act like every inning is a tie game…Good for you Bobby…BTW, anyone remember after the Braves won the world series and they were showing shots in the Indians dugout that Tavarez was balling with his head in hands…now that was priceless.

By Robert S

July 9, 2008 1:51 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand why the Braves didn’t sign Tavarez to a minor league contract to get some work in at Richmond, and brought up someone like Jorge Julio to fill in in the meantime. Julio at least has an ERA under 3 at Richmond, so it seems to me he’d have been a better choice than a guy with a 7 ERA and little or no work under his belt as of late.

Do the Braves think Tavarez is worth more of a look than a guy who’s younger and at least shown lately he’s more effective than Tavarez has been? If that’s the case, then Frank Wren’s judgment is in serious question. And the whole Francoeur-to-AA-and-back-in-three-days debacle doesn’t help his case, either………

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 1:54 AM | Link to this

Wow- that’s pretty brutal guys. Tavares just got here. Hasn’t pitched in a while, give him a break. Manny Acosta looks like that on a regular basis and he’s still here.

That would be false! Manny has held the other team scoreless 30 out of 40 times. Last year he gave up only 6 runs in 23.3 innings.

Is it too much to ask that you actually know a guys record before you kick him. He is playing for the team you support right?

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this

trade observations,

great night to be a brewer, and good for them, they have been on the other side forever…..

sometimes i think billy beane makes trades just to make trades, the a’s are 49-41 five games out and smack dab in the wild card race. i think he likes his book too much….

look for every team to go after roy halladay…..

the only team the phillies can beat are the braves….

71 games left, if my math is right. the braves will probably have to go 45-26 to have a chance. KC, my friend, are you listening………

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 2:01 AM | Link to this

Helluva performan, ‘cept for the atrocity that was Tavarez’ debut. Don’t know how long that experiment will last if he has a few of those.

I asked Bobby afterward about Tavarez being “rusty” and Cox kind of gave it a rolled eyes and “rusty?” as if to say, that’s putting it mildly.

By ObiWanKobe

July 9, 2008 2:02 AM | Link to this

Maybe the should have checked Tavarez’s splits vs the Dodgers

By Robin

July 9, 2008 2:08 AM | Link to this

Josh - Gotcha! Thanks man.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 2:17 AM | Link to this

rick ankiel has 19 homeruns, unbelievable.

think about that, a ex-major league pitcher, who looked like the next great starter, is on pace to hit 30 plus homeruns. say what you want but that is incredible.

francoeur used to be a pitcher, he does have a great arm, JUST KIDDING.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 2:19 AM | Link to this

Braveheart, you’re cracked me up all day, but that last comment had me laughing out loud in the pressbox. The Freddy Krueger line. That’s rich.

Hey, by the way: Stockman is on the DL again with a hamstring injury.

(just gonna start dropping that in every 30 minutes or so, figure eventually, by the time he comes off the DL, most folks here will catch one of the 872 references made to the fact he’s been hurt and thus unavailable.)

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 2:23 AM | Link to this

*The main reason I don’t want to sign him is that it is going to take $22 - $25 million. *

Exactly!! Like I said, you and many others have yet to come to terms with the modern sports market. Well not just sports, entertainers period. Acotrs can make $20 million for one movie but an athlete can’t make that much for 162 game season?

Athletes in the big 3 sports are going to be compensated in a manner that working people feel is excessive. That’s just the reality of it.

I don’t blame Boras, though I find him disagreeable, I respect that he earns his money. Look, the bottom line is the Braves can afford to pay him $10 million more a year than they are now. They can do that and make other moves as well.

So it makes no sense to me why there would be a problem with a team doing what it has the capacity to do because if they don’t, do it, the team will be hurt.

Btw..Giambi makes $23 million you forgot him. And I’m willing to bet you that when Berkman’s contract is up in 2011, that he will make more than $15 million. What do you think?

By Stuart

July 9, 2008 2:25 AM | Link to this

The braves looked like a baseball team tonight. After sitting through the one hitter in Dodger Stadium section 159 with some of the rudest Dodger fans I have ever seen, it was nice to watch the offense unload so I could leave during the 7th inning stretch. Most dodger fans are really cool, but that bunch wasn’t. One of the guys talking junk looked like the big guy whose foot Shooter had to hit the golf ball off of. It was a bit scary.

The braves finally got to working the count after the second inning and it really helped them get to Billingsley. I knew last night was probably a lost cause. It was the perfect storm of because of the travel difficulties, and a pitcher having a career night, but only seeing 91 pitches is awful. Most of the credit had to go to the Kuroda. It was the best game I had ever seen pitched. (I saw Huddy blank the Orioles when he was with Oakland on 4 hits on night in Camden Yards, so that was the best until last night.) There was something in the air last night. I thought I was going to see a perfecto.

The braves can hit anybody anywhere, if they make them work by laying off stuff early in the count. After the 3rd inning, the boys got the count in their favor and started raking. The key to getting out of this road funk is to be patient at the plate. I also though Frenchy looked more stable at the plate. I know 1-5 is not great, but he hit a couple of balls hard, and the throw from right was perfect.

It would be great to see the bravos win tomorrow night. I have never seen them win two in a row in person. I get the chance tomorrow night. Go Braves!!!!

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 2:26 AM | Link to this

uga-brave, I don’t think any team in this division will win 91 games.

85 or 86 wins might do the trick.

By Bops

July 9, 2008 2:28 AM | Link to this

I have always been a fan of Tom Glavine but I honestly cant say that his return (or not) really excites me. Nostalgia aside, at best, hes only a 5 maybe 6 inning guy and that is exactly what the Braves dont need. I wish Tom the best but I think its time for him to hang em up. We need pitchers that can get us to the later innings with a lead. Gonzo has been lights out and Buddy is doing well too. We need to see those guys take over with the lead, not in blowouts just to get some work in.

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 2:30 AM | Link to this

(just gonna start dropping that in every 30 minutes or so, figure eventually, by the time he comes off the DL, most folks here will catch one of the 872 references made to the fact he’s been hurt and thus unavailable.)

Sorry DOB, but facts just tend to get in the way.

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 9, 2008 2:30 AM | Link to this

HEY DOB

What’s the word on Stockman?? Is he hurt??

I’ll check back in 12 mins for the update.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 2:42 AM | Link to this

kirknga,

i agree, you gotta at some point pay to play, to be somewhat consistent.

if payroll comes down next year i really doubt that parking, beer prices, and food prices will come down.

if the braves payroll stays the same, they will have plenty to at least make a competitive offer to tex.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 2:52 AM | Link to this

DOB,

we have 43 wins now. i said we would need 45 more, that would be 88.

91 in, 71 left. 45-26 would put us at 88-74. once again if my math is right.

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 2:59 AM | Link to this

if payroll comes down next year i really doubt that parking, beer prices, and food prices will come down.

Well if it comes down considerably, then we know the organization believes the team is not yet in a position to win.

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 3:12 AM | Link to this

Kirknga give the tex trade a rest. got it!!! enough is enough man!!!

thanks justafan, or whoever you are, I don’t want to trade Tex so it’s not me you need to ask to give a rest.

Thanks again.

By Jeffery J Heslop

July 9, 2008 3:13 AM | Link to this

Nice win for the bravos tonight. We need to start winning series, starting with these last two against the dodgers and padres.

By uga-brave

July 9, 2008 3:17 AM | Link to this

kirknga,

first of all i think most of the owners make money, hence why they will not open up the books to the public.

second, mlb has probably one of the strongest unions in the country.

it is a tug of war.

while their is no obligation to owners to spend money, i think that if they are not in it to win, they are doing their fans a a huge diservice.

corporate ownership is now part of the game. it is not going away.

john henry, steinbrenner, wilpon, etc. those are the teams that have faces on ownership.

for now we are part of a corporate ownership, we dont know what their intentions are.

i would be very happy if they kept the payroll in the top third, and they have done that for now.

next year lets just take them at their word.

By jed

July 9, 2008 3:26 AM | Link to this

just reading these posts about tex, there are a lot better ways to spend 25 million per year than to give it to one player. you could sign sabathia AND a big bat for that kind of money. i thought the hampton contract showed the danger of putting all your eggs in one basket. and i certainly havent seen A-Rod deliver any championships to the yankees.

By kirknga

July 9, 2008 3:27 AM | Link to this

uga-brave

Yes, everyone is making money, partly enabled by the fans who grant land, give tax breaks, provide financial assistance for stadiums.

I just want to win and I’m glad that we have ownership that is self-interested enough to increase the value of their investment.

By bravos2249

July 9, 2008 3:28 AM | Link to this

Chipper’s option is worth btw 8-11 million next season and since he made the All star team he’s gurareented 10 million next year.

His option will be picked up based on his performance and post-season awards.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 3:36 AM | Link to this

UGA-Brave and others who care: Nobody connected with the Braves or the new ownership has given any indication whatsoever that they are even considering reducing payroll. Quite the contrary; they’ve said if anything, it’ll go up.

But people want to hear what they want to hear, so they keep rehashing the same tired stuff about payroll being slashed. Hey, whatever you want to believe. Until it’s slashed, I’m not gonna believe new ownership would see that as a sound business move.

On another point you made: the players’ union, for better or worse, is far more than just “probably one of the strongest unions in the country.” Some labor experts have called it the strongest union in the world, bar none.

And finally, regardless of what some may claim, most inside the game will tell you there’s no question that all owners are making money these days, whether it’s from the team/stadium revenues, TV networks run by individual teams, or any number of other areas, some of which aren’t figured into the “official” revenues reported by teams and MLB.

The sport has never been more profitable than in the past few years.

By MAV

July 9, 2008 3:38 AM | Link to this

Coach

As usual your outstanding OBSERVATIONS are idiotic. Bringing Tavarez in for the 9th was the right move. Who else should have pitched, pease tell me? If a guy can’t pitch with an eight run lead, than he can’t pitch at all. And i’m sure if they had brought someone else in, you would have said Bobby was an idiot for that. Keep it up hypocrite!

By Mike in LA

July 9, 2008 3:57 AM | Link to this

I was there tonight very well played game. I was dissapointed that Chipper had his worst game of the year offensively because he seems to always rake at Dodger Stadium. One thing that concerned me was the throws to first on double plays. Escobar and KJ had three or four throws in the dirt that Texeira kept bailing them out on. They need to execute routine double plays

By Bobby's Cox

July 9, 2008 5:38 AM | Link to this

Stuart

You’re right, there was something in the air Monday night. I thought I was going to see a perfecto too. Thank goodness for Tex.

BTW…159? Yikes. Those are bad field level seats. Next time go to ebay & look for seats behind the plate. You almost have to at that stadium.

Got 3 tickets yesterday for $50 in Reserve, aisle 1 (even with pitchers mound), Row A (first row). It’s the 3rd deck right above the press box, but it’s a great view of the ballpark.

If you go to San Diego, go ahead and get the field level seats, but if you don’t, there’s no bad seat in that ballpark except the grassy area in CF. All the seats point towards the infield so you don’t have to turn your head, and all field level seats are level with the playing field. It feels like you’re in the game, and that holds true for all levels. San Diego did a great job with that ballpark.

If you drive down there, stop in old town and take the trolly to the stadium (it’s like $4 round trip). Cool experience too.

By Bobby's Cox

July 9, 2008 5:38 AM | Link to this

Stuart

You’re right, there was something in the air Monday night. I thought I was going to see a perfecto too. Thank goodness for Tex.

BTW…159? Yikes. Those are bad field level seats. Next time go to ebay & look for seats behind the plate. You almost have to at that stadium.

Got 3 tickets yesterday for $50 in Reserve, aisle 1 (even with pitchers mound), Row A (first row). It’s the 3rd deck right above the press box, but it’s a great view of the ballpark.

If you go to San Diego, go ahead and get the field level seats, but if you don’t, there’s no bad seat in that ballpark except the grassy area in CF. All the seats point towards the infield so you don’t have to turn your head, and all field level seats are level with the playing field. It feels like you’re in the game, and that holds true for all levels. San Diego did a great job with that ballpark.

If you drive down there, stop in old town and take the trolly to the stadium (it’s like $4 round trip). Cool experience too.

By Bobby's Cox

July 9, 2008 5:45 AM | Link to this

With all the Francoeur bashing i’ve done lately, I gotta say, the kid looked great at the plate tonite. He hit the ball where it was pitched, didn’t swing at bad pitches, and was well balanced.

He also looked a lot more agressive in the field.

In Stinson’s article, it mentioned he was getting seeing a psychologist. Maybe that helped. Don’t tell LA. The Dodgers might send AJ to see Wellman & a shrink as well.

Good job tonite Jeff Francoeur.

By nolie

July 9, 2008 6:48 AM | Link to this

Pretty nice game last night. I hope they can keep it up tonight. I’m not so thrilled with Tavarez or Nunez either for that matter, but I can see why they brought them in. Hope it goes better than I expect it to.

By Bill

July 9, 2008 6:56 AM | Link to this

Good for Chipper for speaking out. He know’s that Tex is not signing with the Braves. This was a good win but they just don’t have it to compete. They might be a 500 team. I would go ahead and trade Tex. I think they would get more than most people would expect. As much as I would hate to see him traded, Hudson would bring back a bunch. Ohman is also the one that would interest several teams. Braves will not sign him next season as they don’t spend much on BP. The concept of this team needs to be changed. I had rather suffer for couple of years than be teased to death.

By Lew

July 9, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Bill-With all due respect, Dude, We have four rookie pitchers on our starting rotation with at least one more (Hanson) in the wings in the next year or so. Why on earth would you want to trade your only remaining veteran starter for more kids? If you’re talking about trading him for another veteran, why bother? In Hudson we already have a perennial 14-17 game winner who isn’t on his last legs-or anything close to it. It’s not as if we need to go into a youth movement. We already have a young team and a young staff-maybe TOO young .

As for Ohman-I would rather see them give the guy a two year contract and lock him up through 2010 than to trade him for yet more young kids. We will always need a good left handed guy out of the pen. Who else are you going to have? Royce Ring? Or would you prefer back to the drawing board again?

We also have approximately $44 million coming off of the books next year if Tex leaves (and I believe the writing is on the proverbial wall)-more than enough to buy whatever pieces we will need to fill our needs. There is absolutely NO reason for a firesale. None at all. Trading Tex is one thing, but Hudson and Ohman? Not a very good move. It would be totally counterproductive, besides the fact that firesales are conducted by teams losing 100 games, NOT a .500 team.

By sportsnut4

July 9, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

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By Doc Holliday

July 9, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

One thing is clear…….Braves are thinking big:

Brewers land Sabathia.

Cubs land Harden

Braves land Tavarez

Go Braves……..getting stronger is what it is all about………we are almost there.

By Moby Grape

July 9, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Lew

I agree with your last post. Why anybody wants to trade the one stabilizing influence on next season’s pitching staff is beyond me.

I think too much youth might have been part of this team’s problem. When a whole lot of unexpected bad things happened early and kept happening for a while I think a lot of the young guys on this team might have had trouble dealing with it and getting it out of their minds.

For sure, I for one do not want a staff next year with nothing but first/second/third year guys on it. Talk about inconsistent, this board will be full of suicide notes and hate rants. It’s bad enough now.

I don’t know if it would get us there this year or not, but I’d like to see then trade for Bay and try to resign him. Resign Tex and go for a proven starter in the off season.

Even next season I think it will be highly unlikely that JoJo,JJ, Morton and Campillo will all be successful;might happen but IMO the odds are against it. .

By Will

July 9, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

Welcome back Frenchy. Rested, refreshed and still 1 for 5

By Efrim

July 9, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Lew

I think we already have Ohman locked up for next year. I think.

By McFann©

July 9, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Dang! What a game! I didn’t see the whole thing, but they’re replaying it at noon…

Hit, Heap, Hit—

He came through!! Great job, buddy! Evidently, Tavarez didn’t see the commas, though.

Maybe I should go out in the Woods behind our house and find that turtle! Rally Turtle!!

DCbrave—

Thank you! No, not the first time ever. In fact, “first time in five years” was a typo on my part. Sorry! I meant first time in four years. (Well, it was the first one we found in our yard in six years. But we’ve saved a couple from the road since then.)

:Ô: The Rally Turtle.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

The Cubs get Rich Harden we get Julian Tavarez.

Anyone else there’s something wrong with that?!?!

Not really. The Cubs are a first-place team that can afford to take a chance on a pitcher who isn’t likely to stay healthy and who is a free agent and could get a huge raise after the 2009 season.

Tavarez was low-risk for a team that’s fairly far out in the playoff race.

Doc Holliday, the Braves are thinking big picture. They know how far out they are and they know it wouldn’t be wise to give up the prospects it would take for two and a half months of Sabathia or a year and two and a half months of Rich Harden (who hasn’t started more than 20 games in the majors since 2004, by the way).

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 9, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Super busy at work today but thought I’d drop in to get my accolades. : )

Another thought…I hope I never see Tavarez come in again. Our bullpen was clicking on all cylinders until he showed up. What was that?

By RedEyedAndBlue

July 9, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Coulda just been reading too fast these last several days, but I haven’t seen it mentioned on the blog. There was a very good story in this past week’s print version of the Sporting News in re: Yunel’s flight from Cuba. Yunel’s actually on the cover. Best part of the article imo was the reporting on his friends who did not make it to the bigs. Check it out at newsstands. (Could not find online link, sorry).

By TNRON

July 9, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

McFann: You should deffinately go find McTurtle.Brian REALLY smoked that last one!

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Another thing…

I think the question of “Should we try to keep Tex?” has been answered loud and clear, no?

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Moby Grape, what are the Braves going to do when they trade very good young players for Bay and then have to pay him $12 million a year for three or four years after 2009 when he’s in his 30s.

By Bill

July 9, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Lew—— Mr. know it all, I didn’t say trade him. I said I would hate to trade him but he would bring more back. I know they need a good vet. to go with a young staff. It’s unlikely that they will sign Ohman. They just don’t spend money on BP. After signing Soriano, they are going to be a little gun shy. I’m for getting rid of Tex for sure. They screwed up when they traded for him. I don’t think they are playing 500 ball since the trade. It doesn’t make any difference how much money they have, they are not going to give one player that much money. If they are going to spend, it should be for top of the line pitcher.

By DAP

July 9, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

LEW totally agree with you on hudson. actually, ill take it a step further and say we need to extend his contract really soon.

By McFann Ô

July 9, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

Hit, Heap, Hit!—

The accolades are all yours! Thank you very much!! : ) (I, too, hope Tavarez never pitches for us again. I don’t like the sound of his inning from last night.)

TNRON—

I will definitely keep a lookout! We have a lot of woods behind our house.

Hey guys, check out the Mets website. They’re doing some serious promoting for the final vote…

By flange1

July 9, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Morning All,

Great game last night, good to see BMac pop a couple.

Frenchy seemed a bit rejuvinated as well.

Need Hudson to win one tonight to win the series.

Got to start winning series if the Braves want to stay in this thing.

Little surprised at the Harden deal. I figured the A’s could have gotten more.

The NL Central is going to be real fun to watch from here on in.

Look for the Astros to be sellers come trade deadline time.

By mmiller

July 9, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Barry Bonds. Perfect solution for an impatient team that is offensively challenged, gets close to league worst production from its outfield and that desperately needs a left fielder. But he doesn’t fit the Braves profile so they’ll never consider the move even though it could be the difference maker in the putrid NL East and won’t cost anything except $.

By Doc Holliday

July 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Shaun——————how far out are the braves are? 5 games?

Muts have picked up that in 10 days ………this division could be won even with a losing record…….

SNOOPY69 have you decided to act like a man and stay and post your thoughts as the mets start their next 3-12 run? or are you going to post only while things look just a little better?

By j-School Dropout

July 9, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

The vibe I get from this blog is that Francouer performed well last night. But all I see in the box score is a one-for-five performance, basically a .200 batting average. That’s essentially what he’s done all year. Much of last night’s game was way past my bedtime. If anybody watched, can they tell me:

When Francouer made outs, were they productive?

Did he at least try to help the team by moving guys over?

Did he go up to the plate with a plan?

Did he have any clue about the strike zone?

Should he still be in the minors learning how to hit?

This inquiring mind wants to know. Thanks.

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 9, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

It was ugly, McFann. He kept misreading Heap’s signs and just throwing all over the place. Our boy looked really frustrated. As was I because I was sooooo sleepy and only stayed awake thru the 9th in hopes of seeing Gonzo and then when Freddy (laughing my a* off, braveheart) walked the first 2 and gave up a hit, the train wreck effect kept me awake. Cue Gonzo coming in and getting the last 2 strikeouts in true stud fashion.

Don’t miss the replay!

By McFann Ô

July 9, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

j-School Dropout—

It was past my bedtime, too. But they’re replaying the game at 12 o’clock today!

By TURTSNAP

July 9, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

It may have been said before, but…. I really think Jair should get some All Star considerations from the acting manager. The kid is awesome!

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Hey guys, check out the Mets website. They’re doing some serious promoting for the final vote

Eh. Pat Burrell should get in before Wright, however, I look for the fan girls to vote Wright in easily.

By timthebrave

July 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

I only watched part of the game. Francouer didn’t swing at the curve in the dirt on the at bat he got the hit. Whadya know. Not sure about the rest of at bats.

By AGTfan

July 9, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

All hail Hit, Heap, Hit! You said we’d have to give you credit if Brian broke out last night with your name change. Props to you. Great game by Brian.

By BEN

July 9, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

We need a batting coach. Plain and simple.

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

j-School

Hmmm. His stance looked a LOT better. Made a good defensive throw from LF to get a DP at 1st. I think he moved the runner over on one of his outs but don’t quote me on that. He definitely looked more confident at the plate, and that’s half the battle. FWIW, I don’t think Jason Perry could’ve done any better.

In any case, I liked the lineup last night, maybe would’ve swapped KJ and JF’s spots but since it worked out so well I hope Bobby leaves it like that for now.

By Varoadrunner

July 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Let’s talk Franceour He actually looked good at the plate. Two hard hit balls to right and a hit to left. We all knew that he needed to wait longer and recognize the pitch. Hitting the ball where it is pitched is the answer to his problem.

BUT THE REAL NEWS IS WHO WAS ABLE TO GET HIM TO ADJUST!

Let’s see, how long did Pendleton have to get Frenchy on track? Three months? Wellman had him for three days. That’s impressive. Why is Wellman in Mississippi and Pendleton is in Atlanta. Maybe Wren should look at demoting Pendleton. Seriously, this seems to be a clear indication of Pendleton’s coaching skills. If we reflect back to TP’s playing days, he could hit but his style and stance were not something to be taught… maybe we need a new face in there with the kids and some of the veterans.

Just a thought

By Lew

July 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Bill-Dude, what’s with this Know It All Garbage? I didn’t denigrate you or anything you said, but rather gave a reasonable response. If you want to take umbrage at something I said, I’ll be glad to accommodate you, but I sure didn’t give you reason with that post.

Funny how quite a few people agreed with me, don’t you think? What’s wrong, you think YOU know it all and can’t handle disagreement?

BTW-You DID mention trading Hudson whether you are in favor or not.

By DAP

July 9, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

another great moment of last nights game, prado’s pinch hit single. we have missed him coming off the bench, he is solid with the bat. it seemed like we cashed in on most RISP chances last night.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Shaun, well put at 9:01 a.m. Tough for some to accept that things are different for different teams. Can’t you just hear it if the Braves had given up a couple of prospects and young players for Harden, then he gets hurt like he usually is, how many here would be howling about the Braves once again acquiring an injury-prone pitcher and mortgaging the future and blah blah blah? I can.

Braves need another right-handed bat, far more than another starting pitcher. Far, far more. They still need relief help more than another starter (Tavarez, until he proves otherwise, does not qualify as relief help).

But they did show last night that when the lineup’s healthy, the Braves can do some damage against good pitching. Billingsley, if you talk to Dodgers people, has been their ace. Not Penny, Lowe or Kuroda, but Billingsley.

It was, however, one game. Braves obviously need to win series. Don’t have to have 8-game winning streaks, but do need to win series after series after series. Two out of three, again and again.

By j-School Dropout

July 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the answers, guys. If Wellman is this good, he should be promoted or at least paid a bonus. I’m no fan of TP as a batting coach either. Of course, I think our best batting coach was Don Baylor. He’s the one who taught Chipper how to hit with power from the right side. Or at least he convinced Chipper that he could hit with power from the right side. Maybe they are grooming Wellman to take over for Bobby. Otherwise, let’s bring that man up to the big club.

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Varoadrunner

I have to disagree with you. I think what helped Jeff more than anything (and really, it’s one game and a 1-5 game at that) is that cold, hard slap of reality of being sent to the minors. Remember, TP is also the hitting coach of Heap, KJ, Yunel, Tex, etc… and Heap has said that Chipper has helped him more in baseball than anyone and Jeffy has said that he sits behind Chipper on the plane and picks his brain and asks him all kinds of questions. So why does it stick for Mac but not Jeff?

By DAP

July 9, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Varoadrunner Let’s see, how long did Pendleton have to get Frenchy on track? Three months? Wellman had him for three days. That’s impressive.

please, people…c’mon. jeff has been back ONE game and went 1 for 5!!!! and all of the sudden, wellman fixed him? sending jeff down had alot more to do with getting him to refocus and get out of the spotlight than trying to adjust his mechanics. (which is evident by his short stay at AA) besides, let me say again he went 1 for 5…he did look a little better up there but he was having good a bats every now and then before that to.

im not saying jeff still doesnt have it, but its retarded to take a 1 for 5 and assume wellman fixed him and is the best but terry cant do anything. its just stupid.

i hope jeff goes crazy 2nd half and leads us to a division title.

By McFann Ô

July 9, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Hit, Heap, Hit!—

I’ll bet he was frustrated! What they sign that guy for, anyway? Sheesh. At least the Braves had nine runs.

We’ll definitely be watching the replay!

Yeah, I wouldn’t vote Wright in. I voted for Carlos Lee, for two reasons:

1) He’s having a pretty good year, and

2) I have a hard time voting for Phillies.

Brian Jordan said he’ll vote for Wright. Jerome was pretty shocked (and ticked) about that! LOL.

Later!

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

I’ve advocated trading Tex several times because I think the price for retaining him is far too high. We could shore up weak roster spots and be ready to compete for the World Series next year.

This is completely speculative and I’m not saying the moves are possible, but you get the idea of why giving Tex $25M a year is ludicrous.

First thing would be to trade Tex before the deadline. The Angels would give up say Casey Kotchman and Chone Figgins. Both players probably would sign a contract similar to BMac’s so let’s say 5 years at $30M. Infield is solid with a super utility man now at a cost of $12M a year.

That leaves $13M a year. Resign Ohman for 2 years at $4M per. Then you could bring back one of my favorites that got away in Ron Mahay. He is signed for $4M a year this year and next. We need a backup catcher. Paul Bako is a free agent after this year and could be signed for $1M. Kotsay is a free agent after this year and we need a solid #4 outfield and he fits the bill and could be signed in the $4M range since he is no longer healthy enough to be a regular.

Let’s look at what could be.

Solid young first baseman signed for 5 years.

Super utility man who might be the leadoff man.

Two solid veteran lefthanders for the BP.

Backup catcher.

Backup OF.

By Greg

July 9, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

DOB:

Thanks for the great blog. Considering how poorly the Phillies play against everybody else, is there some reason why they hammer Atlanta? Is there some imbalance that the management can fix at the trading deadline? As things are, the Braves are keeping the Phils in contention. Do you have any thoughts on why they own us?

By Bill

July 9, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Lew—— if you are going to quote something I said. quote it right. Again I didnt say trade Hudson. I said that he would bring more back. Probably more than Tex. Hudson & JJ are the Braves best pitchers. About Ohman, I think he is under contract next year. That was my opinion that he could bring alot in a trade. It’s always back to the drawing board every season with the pen. BC destroys the pen every season but he has no choice. If you trade 2 or 3 players, I don’t consider that a firesale. I hope you are right and the Braves finish way above 500. I just don’t see it right now. Until this team wins 6-8 games straight then there might be hope.

By Reid in EAV

July 9, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Mornin’ denizens. A late night for us home fans, but a profitable one. A few random, Furman Bisher-style comments:

Chipper for president. I love the guy’s candor lately. That’s exactly right — if you’re winning the trade rumors fade. And if you’re not winning and are bothered by the trade rumors, the person to blame is in the mirror. stands and applauds…

Jeff at least seems back to his 2006 form. His swing is back to being the long, powerful, “hands-y” thing it’s always been, and good job staying back to let the hands do the work, particularly on that single. Also encouraging: he’s laying off a lot more of the outside sliders and fastballs….

But along the same lines, please stop jawing about how the AA stint wasn’t necessary. Demonstrate that it wasn’t necessary on the field please, sir. Last night was a good start….

I refuse to judge a pitcher by one outing, but Tavarez doesn’t exactly inspire confidence, does he? Mostly I’m bummed that were forced to use Gonzalez in a non-save situation, as I’m hoping we may need him in quick succession a few more times before the trip’s over…

I’m choosing to believe that the 7-6 win over the Astros and last night’s outbreak (with great plate discipline from about the 4th inning onward) were the signs of a trend, with Kuroda’s dominating performance as an aberration… Selah.

By The Goche

July 9, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

I was wondering if I missed some news about Julio Teheran. If there hasn’t been any news maybe DOB would have heard something.

But I saw that Julio Teheran hasn’t pitched since June 23.

I realize he’s a long way away from anything that you cover on a daily basis, but I was just concerned seeing as he pitched five innings his first time out, then went only two the second time and hasn’t pitched since, a more two week span.

If anyone knows anything about that I’d be grateful.

By Supes

July 9, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Just say no to Bonds. Why sell your soul to the devil for the chance that he “might fix this impatient lineup” as the comment was made?

Barry Bonds in a Braves Jersey = Travesty.

Simple as that. Will never happen, it shouldn’t happen. There are bigger things here than an improved lineup.

Signing Tavarez and making him pitch when not knowing what he’s been doing for the last 3 weeks or so (while being released for the 2nd time this year) was a big mistake. Yes we know Bobby likes to throw out the new guys (called up people) into the game right away but that was on Bobby. Tavarez should be in AAA for a week or so, get to face live pitching again and then called up. I realize they need a major league ready arm in the pen now but call up someone and let Tavarez work his way up. Bad decision all the way around.

The person making a comment about Chipper being “known” as one of the Jones…The guy had a terrible game. We agree about that. He K’d 3 times…also from the left side which is arguiably his better side, but guess what…I can count this year that Chipper has had maybe 3-4 bad games like that. Out of what…more than half the season now? So give the guy a break and pick someone else to pile on who hasn’t carried this team on his back so far in 2008 like Chipper Jones has. He’ll never be known as one of the “Jones” b/c as he is approaching the twilight of his career he is getting better…while Andruw is turning into the worst post 30 year old player in major league baseball.

Clutch hit by Yunel last night and good defense.

Great job by TEX with the glove.

Mac bashing the ball, too bad most of his shots come with nobody on base.

6-4-3 goes 1-5. I saw small flashes of progress but that’s it. Won’t make more out of it than what it is. Need this entire roadtrip stats…all five games to get a good idea of is Jeff “fixed” or not.

JJJ did awesome, considering he had runners on base early on in the game. He didn’t break. Guy has ice water in his veins, doesn’t get rattled. I’m so glad the Braves made the trade for him. He could potentially win 10 games by the ALL STAR game (he gets the last start on Sunday and with a win will be 10-4). He has probably been the Braves best pitcher so far.

By KC

July 9, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

fannation.com: “The Red Sox are among many clubs closely monitoring Mark Teixeira, who is approaching free agency and could be dealt this month unless Atlanta’s fortunes take a dramatic turn for the better.”

Wow… “unless Atlanta’s fortunes take a dramatic turn for the better”???

That’s a pretty big overstatement. Yes, things need to turn for the better, but they need only pick up a couple games in the standings over the next few weeks to be right the thick of this horse race.

I don’t think a “dramatic” turn for the better is necessarily needed within the next few weeks. Not with the East the way it is right now.

Whoever wrote that piece was apparently of the impression that the Braves were 12.5 games out.

By FloridaBrave

July 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

The Goche,

Teheran was checked out by ATL doctor’s and is fine. He’ll be back soon I think.

Keylargo,

If Anaheim really was willing to make that deal- like you somehow claim to know- the deal would have been done yesterday.

And why would Ohman gets 2/4 when Mahay got 2/8?

By Moby Grape

July 9, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Moby Grape, what are the Braves going to do when they trade very good young players for Bay and then have to pay him $12 million a year for three or four years after 2009 when he’s in his 30s.Shaun

I’m sorry Shaun, but I don’t see anything wrong with that scenario. He will likely still be productive during those years. Hell, away from Coors he’s about as productive as Holliday and will likely cost a good bit less as Holliday gets 13.5 next season already

By NCBravesFan

July 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

I don’t quite get all the negativity on the blog the last few weeks. For all that’s happened, the Braves are still very much in it.

Unless they completely fall apart in the next couple of weeks, I think they oughta go for it by adding an OF bat. Heck if nothing else, it’ll give the kids on the pitching staff experience down the stretch.

The Phillies had that big series against an injury-weakened Braves lineup and have promptly squandered all the good they did. In less than a week!

I know the guys can be frustrating to watch, but I do wish that the negative fans could take a deep breath and realize that five games down with 70 or so to go is nothing. Teams have made that kind of deficit up a lot more quickly than that. (Just ask the Mets!)

By TNJeff

July 9, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Last night’s game breeds optimism - the Braves just might avoid losing 90 games!

By DAP

July 9, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

keylargo not that any of your ideas are bad, beause they seem like solid moves, but i just dont see where they make us a playoff team. i like kotchman alot, and i would trade tex if we could get him in a deal, but he isnt going to bat cleanup for us. we need a #4 hitter, or we could settle for someone to hit at #3 and put chipper at cleanup, which no one really wants to do.

what if we did everything you just said, except getting mahay and kotsay back. we go after milton bradley, and play him in left field batting cleanup. it’ll take more than the $8 or so mil we have left over, but we will have the money. now THAT would be a good offense.

1. blanco CF 2. escobar SS 3. Chipper 3B 4. Bradley LF 5. McCann C 6. Jeff F RF 7. Kelly J 2B 8. Kotchman 1B

By Moby Grape

July 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

About Ohman, I think he is under contract next year. Bill

I do not think that Ohman is signed with the Braves for next year. Cot’s Baseball Contracts says 07-08 last contract.

By Drew

July 9, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Prediction:

Jeff hits .320 second half with 15 HRs

Jurrjens wins 8 in a row in August/Sept

Mets capsize with the firing of Omar Minaya

The Braves finish 3rd to the Marlins and Phils still 3 games under .500

Glavine comes back to be ineffective- 3-4 w/ a 4.50

Hampton gets reinjured taking a dump

Tex is nowhere to be found

By Lew

July 9, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

Bill-You’re really making a big deal out of nothing. I didn’t quote you, but the trade of Hudson and what he would bring was mentioned.

It makes damn little difference WHAT he would bring in trade, if he isn’t going to be traded. Chipper would bring quite a bit too, but won’t be traded either.

Dude, If you want a fight look elsewhere. I’ve got other things going on right now and I don’t want to devote the energy to a meaningless fight. Go in peace, or not. Whatever.

By Efrim

July 9, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

KC

That’s a pretty big overstatement. Yes, things need to turn for the better, but they need only pick up a couple games in the standings over the next few weeks to be right the thick of this horse race.

I disagree. The Braves are 43-48. They have had more players on the DL than any team in the majors. They definetly need their fortunes to turn to have a shot at the playoffs. They were easily the most unlucky team in all of the sport in the first half. They will need to get lucky(one run games/injuries) to have a shot here. Figure at least 86 wins for the division. That would mean the Braves would have to go 43-28 the rest of the way. They can do that, but they will need their fortunes to turn. Like you said though, dramatic may be a bit much.

By Braveheart

July 9, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Do the people calling Francoeur 6-4-3 realize that Francoeur has a lower grounded into double play rate than Chipper, Tex, Yunel, Kotsay, Diaz, McCann, Norton, and Gotay?

Don’t let the facts get in the way……

By Bravissimo

July 9, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

DOB Yes Francoeur is cheap and he may recover his form but do you think the Braves have the patience to rock his cradle for another three years?

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Goche, I asked Frank Wren about Teheran a few days ago, or a week ago. Anyway, just a sore shoulder. They’re giving him some rest. Very young kid, so they’ll be careful with him, but tests showed no damage.

By Jeff321

July 9, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

Once again.. The Braves need a right handed stopper, period. Because last time I checked, you have to keep the lead to win. And we all know Gonzalez and Ohman are the only two that can be relied upon! Plus they both won’t be pitching 5 days a week.

In other words, if ya don’t fill that need.. it doesn’t really matter what else you do. For instance, I really don’t think the Braves will be averaging 9 runs per game, eh?

So, who do they get? I have no idea! However, I’m sure someone has an idea or two.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

Bravissimo, I generally don’t like to think three years down the road about a guy unless he’s under contract that long and/or he’s a young guy who’s already answered most or all questions about his ability to perform at an elite level in the majors — a Jurrjens, for instance.

If Francoeur doesn’t play better next season than he has so far this season, there’s really no need to worry about whether they’ll “rock his cradle,” as you put it, for another three years. Performance speaks volumes. They’ll probably accept a bad season or half-season and write it off if he bounces back some in the second half and next season. If not….

By KC

July 9, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

“Last night’s game breeds optimism - the Braves just might avoid losing 90 games!” - TNJeff:

NCBravesFan: Apparently NC Braves fans are more intelligent than TN Braves fans.

Even with all the injuries… this team has underachieved, as their 3rd best NL run differential would suggest.

Those who like to hear themselves b!tch will look at the Braves underachievement to date, and hold it up as evidence that mediocrity is somehow built into the DNA of this ball club, and that any additions to this roster would be wasted on a team that lacks the heart - or the balls - to win.

It’s funny… chronic naysayers like to call themselves “realists”, when in reality, they’re usually as far away from reality in one direction as the most fervent Braves homer optimists are away from reality in the opposite direction (if not farther).

To say this team has no chance to compete is to completely ignore the facts.

The Braves have the second-best ERA in the league, and could have substantial upgrades on the way (if all goes well) in the persons of Mike Hampton, and possibly R.Soriano, as they return from the DL.

The lineup includes such hitters as Chipper Jones, Mark Teixeira, and Brian McCann. And there are other solid hitters like Escobar, Johnson, and Kotsay. And Blanco looks better and better in the leadoff spot. (Francoeur is a wild card… an “x-factor” at this point )

If you add another big right-handed bat to that linuep, you’ll have on hell of an offense, to go with one of the best pitching staffs in the league.

If you don’t think having one of the top few pitching staffs in the league (THE best IF Hampton and Soriano can make it back) and one of the top few offenses in the league - is enough enough to play .600-plus baseball for 2-3 months…

Well, I don’t know what that makes you, but it doesn’t make you a realist.

By Lew

July 9, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Bravissimo-In a word. Yes.

By The Goche

July 9, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

thanks DOB,

I saw he wasn’t on the DL, figured it was something like that.

By jim

July 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Some random thoughts:

If Soriano is really coming back in 2+ weeks from a rehab assignment, then I expect that Tavarez is no more than a 2 week rental to eat up some innings (hopefully?) in blowout situations. I expect that he will be the first to go when and if Soriano returns.

For those wanting to trade Tex now instead of getting draft picks in the fall, just consider what those draft picks could yield. The team signing Tex will probably have a pick around number 25 in the draft. The second pick will be around 40 in the supplemental round. In the previous two drafts (‘06 and ‘07). Joba Chamberlain (‘06) and Rick Porcello (‘07) were still available at this point in the draft. (In ‘05 Jacoby Ellsbury was still on the board at # 25). Chamberlain and Ellsbury were college players who reached the major leagues within 2 years of signing and Porcello was a high school pitcher who is very advanced and could also reach the majors in 3 years time. For those wanting a power arm, there are few that are better than Chamberlain and Porcello and no team is going to trade someone like this for a 2-month rental.

The Braves seemed to have had a very good draft last year. (If only they had signed Fields, it would have been outstanding on the early returns.) Not only did they draft a possible future star in Heyward, but the picks of Freeman and Gilmore could give us the corner infielders of the future. Coupled with signing Terehan, the Braves may have added 4 very talented players to their organization. The question of what to do about Tex and what positions to try to strengthen could revolve around the organization’s assessment of the potential and rate of development of Freeman.

There seems to be a core group expressing the sentiment of “When Diaz returns…” From what we saw of Diaz before the injury, that eventuality is not one that should be overwhelmingly anticipated. Blanco has provided a spark in the leadoff position and should not see his time diminished by any sort of a platoon. Kotsay will need to be rested regularly, so that may provide an opportunity for Diaz, and JF is JF and likely to play every inning of all the remaining games unless he crosses the Mendoza line. If Infante is back soon, I would rather see him get time as the 4th outfielder instead of Diaz. Diaz this year has made JF look selective by comparison and he does not seem to be hitting any better so far in his AA rehab starts.

By Tomas

July 9, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

DOB,

What I can’t understand, is why the braves needed to sign Julian Taveras, when they have guys in AAA like Resop, and Jorge Julio. They at least deserve a chance to have a shot over Taveras who has already been realesed twice this season.

By DonCoburleone

July 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

DOB you may have already posted something about this, but I figured since you had asked Wren about Teheran maybe you asked him about Heyward. I heard he’s been kept out or pulled from a few games in the past week because of his shoulder, any word on that from FW?

By King521

July 9, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

What ever happened to the Braves going after players with good character? Tavarez is a nasty man on the field certainly NOT a player Schuerholz would have signed in years past.

This guy is a joke plain and simple.

DOB - Please ask Julian or “Yo-Yo” as he likes to be called about his dreams of being a porn star growing up! What a creep!

By KC

July 9, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Tomas: I think every Braves fan on the planet is asking that same question. Why sign a guy who was just released with an ERA over 7.00??? There’s no possible way anyone you call up from AAA could be much worse than Tavarez… and a good chance they would be better.

Makes no sense to me either.

By keylargo

July 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Florida Brave

In response to your assinine reply to my speculative projection of what could be done with the $25M instead of signing Tex, I will just let you re read direct quotes from my post. Your reading comprehension is non existant.

FloridaBrave If Anaheim really was willing to make that deal- like you somehow claim to know- the deal would have been done yesterday.

And why would Ohman gets 2/4 when Mahay got 2/8?

keylargo This is completely speculative and I’m not saying the moves are possible, but you get the idea of why giving Tex $25M a year is ludicrous.

That leaves $13M a year. Resign Ohman for 2 years at $4M per.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

DOB - Please ask Julian or “Yo-Yo” as he likes to be called about his dreams of being a porn star growing up! What a creep!King521

Uhh, no. I don’t wish to ask him about that. Sorry.

By CC73

July 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

While I am certainly not one of those who wish to see Teixeira traded, the idea of Boston’s Kevin Youkilis coming to the Braves in a hypothetical trade does intrigue me. Youkilis seems to me to be one of those scrappy, fiery guys- plus he can play first AND third base- for when Chipper goes down with another injury. Having said that, I don’t think the Red Sox will let Youkilis go… or would they?

DOB- Is this just a rumor started by some bozo with too much time to play on the Internet, or do you think there is actually some basis here?

By Random

July 9, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

So Arlen Specter, the US Senator from Pennsylvania, relentlessly rattles the NFL’s cage regarding “Spy-gate”, and now the NFL hires Pennsylvania’s top State Policeman as its new Director of Strategic Security.

Can you smell “quid pro quo”?

I mean, spell “squid fishy buy-off”?

By Doc Holliday

July 9, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Tomas dont you get it? Isnt Tavarez what you asked Santa for Christmas? He makes our team so much stronger……..that was a no-brainer. Thats our blockbuster steal for 2008…..

Is there something written down in MLB that says that by rule braves have to pick up every single player that was dumped by other team and add them to their roster?

Im sick of that…… There is nothing bad about scouting, but come on…….. gotay, norton, tavarez, etc.

Why in hell does this team continues to pick up loosers?

Braves are easily the team with the most injuries this year……I dont think there is a team with as many injuries to so many key players……… Is that also players fault????????? Nope……..

Bennett

Smoltz

Glavine

Hampton……….reinjuring

Acosta

Moylan

Soriano

Carlyle

Campillo

Jurrjens

James

Thats aint normal………80% of the staff have been injured already in half a season. Is that on players?

What about position players??????

KJ

Yunel

Chipper

Mc

JF

Kotsay

Infante

Prado

Diaz

Thats 11 pitchers and 9 position players in half a season……..well Gonzo got injuried last season, but he will get injuried again this year, there is no doubt in my mind.

how can you have 20 players injuried in half a season?and more than half of them for significant time, not just 1-2 games

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

DonC, Heyward played last night. i just checked the box score.

By kyle

July 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

DOB-any chance Kotsay is a Brave next year? I love that guy.

By O.J. (Original Jon)

July 9, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Tomas Resop is no longer in the minor league system, he was sold to a Japanese team a few days ago, and besides, why the heck would you want him back on the team, he was just as bad as Julian is.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Shaun——————how far out are the braves are? 5 games?

Muts have picked up that in 10 days ………this division could be won even with a losing record…….

Doc, yes, the Braves could conceivably win the division. But why give up the necessary prospects for a little over a year of a pitcher who is a huge injury risks, then goes on the free agent market and probably commands a huge deal?

I’m sorry Shaun, but I don’t see anything wrong with that scenario. He will likely still be productive during those years. Hell, away from Coors he’s about as productive as Holliday and will likely cost a good bit less as Holliday gets 13.5 next season already

Moby, both Holliday and Bay will be overpaid and over-committed to by the second or third years of their next contracts. I agree both will be productive players for a while but they aren’t likely to be worth what some foolish team is going to give up (unless it’s a rich team that can afford otherwise foolish contracts). Throw in the players it would take to get either in a trade, and you’ve got more utter foolishness.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

DonC, I just spent 10 minutes finding the Class A Rome box scores from the past week. Heyward played five of the past six games, and had a two-hit game and a three-hit game in that span.

So I won’t be asking Frank about whether he’s hurt. Not until he starts missing games again.

By ncscoots

July 9, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Let’s not get carried away with the “Blanco sparking leadoff” stuff. The guy’s had a good ten days hitting for average, but his secondary numbers aren’t very good, even while he’s heated up a little. Even for a light-hitting guy, SLG that’s lower than your OBP isn’t inspiring.

He’s doing an adequate job, but he’s hardly head-and-shoulders above any other option.

By Bill

July 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

Lew—- Go back and read the blog and see what you said. Whose to say they would’t trade Hudson for the right deal. I don’t think they will. Chipper will never be traded. I’m not looking for a fight. You just need to get your facts straight before quoting someone. You must be the only expert on this site. I don’t claim to know much. I have an opinion just like everyone else,right or wrong. You rest in peace.

By DAP

July 9, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

shaun can you give me an example of a recent free agent signing of a good player that you dont think is foolish?

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

DOB, yes, if people are complaining about the Teixeira deal when the Braves were 3.5 back, I can only imagine how a deal for Harden with the Braves 5 out and behind 3 teams in the division.

By Stochastic Fats

July 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

woogidy, rupert, Tomas, kirknga, VolBrave, Braves TBS-Guy in Ca, rolltideface, Lew —

Ahem — “TavAREZ”.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN: Jurrjens is NL Rookie of the Month for June.

By shockley

July 9, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Thanks DOB for the update on Teheran. I live on the TN-VA border and will be taking in the Bristol-Danville series next week and was hoping Teherans spot in the rotation would be up to check him out in person. Anyone else worth keeping an eye on?

By ncscoots

July 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Youkilis seems to me to be one of those scrappy, fiery guys- plus he can play first AND third base

And, oh by the way, Teixeira played quite a bit at 3B early in his career. So that rationale for wanting Youkilis goes by the wayside.

Unless, of course, he can play both 1B AND 3B at the same time. Heck, even I would pay to see that!

By Supes

July 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

DOB, that’s great news for JJJ and the Braves. I guess that puts him right there in the running for NL rookie of the year.

He’s got an outside shot to win 20 games this season if he keeps it up!

Braveheart *Do the people calling Francoeur 6-4-3 realize that Francoeur has a lower grounded into double play rate than Chipper, Tex, Yunel, Kotsay, Diaz, McCann, Norton, and Gotay? Don’t let the facts get in the way…… *

Way to get technical on us…The 6-4-3 nickname is not meant to be taken literaly. It’s what the double play represents. Failure to produce with men on base. Kind of like Jeff’s season in 2008.

KC I like all your posts lately about the possibility of the Braves making a run…but in none of them do you realize that they have to beat 3 teams for the NL East. It’s never been done before. Not saying that the Braves can’t make up the 5 games…I’m saying no team has come back to jump over 3 other teams with winning records to win a division title with half a season left. Just looked it up a few days ago when Kincade was ranting and raving on 680thefan about it. He’s right on with that one.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

DAP, I think there are probably more good or decent signings than bad ones. But here are a lot of bad ones because a lot of times teams pay players for past performance instead of what they are likely to do over the length of the contract. Or some teams fail to take certain things into account.

A lot of times it depends on the team, how much money they can afford to spend (or are willing to spend) and what they have as an alternative to the free agent.

The worst ones are usually for players that have been all-star types in their peak years but not quite superstars, like Bay and Holliday. Those players are the ones who get huge deals but become rather ordinary players within a couple of years.

By McFann Ô

July 9, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

CONGRATULATIONS, JURRJENS!!

Man, the Braves really have the offense turned on today.

BMac’s homer (what a drive, BTW. That thing was smoked!) puts him in a tie with Soto for the most homers in the MLB by a catcher. It’d be nice if he could go ahead and pass him in this game…

By Ryan

July 9, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

DOB — Have you heard any rumblings that the braves might be talking to Pitt about Jason bay?

By Braveheart

July 9, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Way to get technical on us…The 6-4-3 nickname is not meant to be taken literaly. It’s what the double play represents. Failure to produce with men on base. Kind of like Jeff’s season in 2008.

Oh, I get it now. Francoeur’s swings don’t make sense so you respond in kind by not making sense with the use of the Francine and 6-4-3 names. Gotcha. If the hitter is gonna be wildly off target with his swings, gosh darnit, I’m gonna be wildly off target in my name calling.

By Jon1

July 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

The Braves have an abundance of good LH pitching prospects in the minors that could be used as trading chips for a good contact hitter who can play LF. Matt Holliday jumps to mind but that trade would only deplete the farm system for a 3 month rental. Who else fits the needs of the team that is available?

By DonCoburleone

July 9, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Okay thanks DOB, I knew he missed the one game last week and then on Monday he was taken out in the 8th inning for an “unspecified” reason… maybe they just put in a defensive replacement or something…

And DOB, good news on Jurrjens - he’s arguably been our best pitcher all year next to Hudson. I have a question about him - I know a growing trend in baseball is to ease a young pitcher into a starting role by limiting the amount of innings he throws. Studies have shown that when a (young) pitcher throws 25 innings or more from one year to the next his risk of injury is practically doubled. Looking at his minor league numbers, in ‘05 he threw 142innings for Single A; in ‘06 he threw 141 innings between A and AA; ‘07 it was 144 innings between AA & Detroit. My question is, has FW or BC mentioned anything about trying to limit his innings this year to like 170 or 180 tops? He’s already thrown 111 innings and is currently on pace to top 200.

By ernesto

July 9, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Braveheart *Do the people calling Francoeur 6-4-3 realize that Francoeur has a lower grounded into double play rate than Chipper, Tex, Yunel, Kotsay, Diaz, McCann, Norton, and Gotay? Don’t let the facts get in the way…… *

Yeah, but Frenchy seems to have a knack for doing it with the bases stuffed.

That’s why I think his seem more ugly than the others.

Not justifying the Frenchy-bashing, just understanding where it’s coming from.

By Efrim

July 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Taylor, Atl: Hearing all the prospects the Braves gave up for Teixeira playing great in the Rangers system makes me sick! Salty is growing as a player, Andrus looks like the future SS, Feliz a potential ace, Harrison a 3-4 starter, and Beau Jones a hard throwing lefty out of the pen. Question is, if the Braves look move Teixeira can they get half of what they gave up to get him? Thanks!

Jim Callis: (2:15 PM ET ) Probably not much more than half, considering Teixeira will test free agency after the season.

By gary

July 9, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

DOB- i live here in LA and wanted to give you a couple of lunch tips i thought you may enjoy. all are in silverlake, near downtown (which i assume is where you are) and hip. first is a place called LOT 1. they make “bacos” which are sort of like bread tacos, and delicious. Tropical is a cuban place and Pho Cafe is where cool meets viet nam. all are on sunsset blvd. just wanted to thank you for the great stuff you do.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Jon1, how about Brian Giles? The Braves probably wouldn’t have to give up a whole lot. He’s hitting .301/.394/.433 while playing his home games in a park that’s extremely tough on left-handed power-hitters.

Away from Petco: .331/.412/.466.

His OPS+ is 128 this season.

Over the past 365 days he’s hit .285/.375/.446 with 17 homers, 36 doubles, 5 triples, 86 walks in 154 games and 693 plate appearances. Again, that’s playing roughly half his games in an extremely tough park for hitters, especially a left-handed power bat.

By Reid in EAV

July 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Congrats to JJ! That ankle twist at Wrigley is turning out to be quite the blessing-in-disguise, given all the success that’s followed it.

By DAP

July 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

shaun ill take that as a no!!! :-)

really, im just curious what you think, because to me, it seems like you dont like free agent signings.

its true that many times, players are paid for what they have done instead of what they will do, which is kind of wierd. wouldnt it be neat of salaries over the minimum were dictated by performance bonuses? (that would cause a whole other mess of problems, but whatever)

anyways, thats why the perfect senerio is to have a young player that does alot, and then let some one else pay him for what he did for your team. but, thats not always possible, which is why teams have to take risks, sign those guys, and hope they continue to perform.

By Doc Holliday

July 9, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Shaun

I never said we had to get those pitchers in order to win division title……….but we need to get help from the right side of the plate…….OF.

By GT80

July 9, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Just read Bisher’s article from a few days ago… Little help has been mined out of the farm system. The lineup is being filled out with other teams’ backups, and in most cases, rejects. Corky Miller, the backup catcher with a lifetime batting average of .196, was dropped by the Red Sox. Ruben Gotay was cut by the Mets. Greg Norton was released by Seattle. Omar Infante came in a trade with the Cubs, who had picked him up in a trade with the Tigers. After Jorge Campillo was dropped by the Mariners, he has been able to make a place for himself as an accidental starter. The bullpen has been inhabited in part by pitchers traded away by other clubs, Royce Ring and Jeff Ridgway mainly because they’re left-handed. And the pitcher with the most stylish earned run average, Buddy Carlyle, still can’t work his way out of long relief.

Man, did he nail it. Why are we filling out our roster with other teams rejects? Why did we let Pena go instead of Corky? Other teams fill out their rosters with actual major leaguers.

Frank Wren should be embarassed.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Jon1,

Actually, Holliday is under contract through 2009. He’s hit well away from Coors this year (but still not as well as he has there). That said, he is a Boras client, so the Braves would be acquiring him under the same parameters as they did Tex — a 1.5 year rental who’s likely to sign a longterm deal someplace else.

DOB,

It is looking ahead a little I know, but do you think there’s a chance the Braves might use the break to let Morton and/or JJ skip a turn? Morton looks like he could use a break, and as many have said here. JJ’s getting a lot of work for a young guy who hasn’t pitched more than 150 innings in a season.

By NCBravesFan

July 9, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

I like all your posts lately about the possibility of the Braves making a run…but in none of them do you realize that they have to beat 3 teams for the NL East. It’s never been done before. Not saying that the Braves can’t make up the 5 games…I’m saying no team has come back to jump over 3 other teams with winning records to win a division title with half a season left. Just looked it up a few days ago when Kincade was ranting and raving on 680thefan about it. He’s right on with that one. Supes

You better not tell the 1978 NY Yankees that. They went from 4th place and 14 or so games out in July to beat Boston for the AL East title.

Link to the standings as of July 16, 1978, shortly before they took off …

http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=1978-07-16

By McFann Ô

July 9, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Back-to-back with Mac!!

Well, there’s number 17! (That leads all Major League catchers.)

By Jon1

July 9, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Shaun, Giles is a great player, no doubt and he has had a good season but with all the switch hitters and left-handed bats in our line up already we are a little unbalanced. The Braves have enough power(in my humble opinion) what we seem to need is a right-handed contact hitter who we can plug into the #6 spot in the order.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

DAP, I do think there is a reason successful teams are the ones that develop good players themselves and use free agency to fill in the gaps. The reason is because often by the time a player hits the free agent market he’s already very near his decline and is going to become overpaid within a few years of signing his first long-term deal.

The only teams that can really use free agency to set up their team are the Yankees and Red Sox because they can afford the cream of the crop players that are still going to be awesome during their decline years.

Doc, what the Braves need is power, particularly from an outfielder, whether he is left-handed or right-handed. They don’t have a single player who’s played more than 20 games in the outfield slugging over .402. (psst…Brian Giles…Giles is hitting .319 with a .434 OBP against lefties.)

By O.J. (Original Jon)

July 9, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

McFann, what the heck are you talking about?? That was last nights game, but you are acting as if it’s todays.

By McFann Ô

July 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Wow. That was ugly.

Tell me again why we got this guy? Sheesh…

By Kevin

July 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Hey, Rangers fan in Fort Worth, TX here just wanted to thank you Braves fan for Matt Harrison, made a very impressive debut last night against the division leading Angels. You can have Tex, we’ll take everything we got for him, looking good here!

By Roman Gal

July 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

That’s great news about Jurrjens! Does he win anything? A razor? If so, he should lend it to Francoeur.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Jon1, the Braves rank 10th in the NL in homers, 11th in doubles and 8th in slugging. They need power.

By ernesto

July 9, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

McFann, what’s up with your posts?

They seem like they are from last night.

Or are you doing Greatest Hits? :)

Very weird.

By BossLady

July 9, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Tavarez is not a good fit for the Braves.

We are still a southern hospitality type of city. This guy seems like he needs to be in Philadelphia or New York where people are mean spirited and crude.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

NCBravesFan: You better not tell the 1978 NY Yankees that. They went from 4th place and 14 or so games out in July to beat Boston for the AL East title.

Way to pull that one out!

By Efrim

July 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Kevin

Hey, Rangers fan in Fort Worth, TX here just wanted to thank you Braves fan for Matt Harrison, made a very impressive debut last night against the division leading Angels. You can have Tex, we’ll take everything we got for him, looking good here!

You can keep Harrison and everyone else except Neftali Feliz. I want him back. He’ll be the only one to come back and haunt the Bravos.

By NCBravesFan

July 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Shaun Thanks. Just trying to light a little candle and say a little prayer in hopes that the Braves can overcome this apparently insurmountable lead I keep hearing about. ;-)

By westy12

July 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Last night was encouraging for Frenchy, but I gotta say, he’s coming off like a real Diva with all his whining about 3 days in the minors.

Either that 7-13 in Mississippi will help Frenchy bounce back, in which case he should be thanking management for saving him from himself.

Or he’s not going to improve, in which case he’s not above being demoted again.

Either way, just shut up already.

Any other team in baseball would’ve long ago shipped out an uncoachable 24 yr-old with horrible mechanics, non-existant fundamentals, no confidence, poor plate discipline, pathetic pitch recognition, and a complete inability to make productive outs.

I’m pulling for him to turn it around, but I’m starting to think he wasn’t humbled enough by the experience. No one’s writing your name into Cooperstown, Frenchy. Just keep your mouth shut and play.

By Efrim

July 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Shaun

the Braves rank 10th in the NL in homers, 11th in doubles and 8th in slugging. They need power.

I think it is a cause for concern. Especially considering we can be without Tex after this season.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Jon1, four of the Braves eight regulars in 2006 were either left-handed or switch-hitters (plus Wilson Betemit played 88 games and Pete Orr played 102, although Orr wasn’t really a huge factor), and the Braves scored the second-most runs in the NL. Talent outweighs whether they bat left or right. In fact, you could argue it’s better to have a lineup that’s a little left-handed heavy because there are more right-handed pitchers.

It’s something someone should look into (and maybe they have). I remember hearing about Bill James doing a study right after he was hired by the Red Sox that found the Red Sox won more when their lineup was heavy on left-handed hitters. Since 2003, you’ll notice the Red Sox have put together left-handed heavy lineups.

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Kevin, we’ll take contending in 2007 and being fairly close in 2008 over a 121-131 record the Rangers have put up since the beginning of 2007. Come back when the team has made enough of those type trades to post at least a .500 record over a season and a half.

By Braveheart

July 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

in none of them do you realize that they have to beat 3 teams for the NL East. It’s never been done before. Not saying that the Braves can’t make up the 5 games…I’m saying no team has come back to jump over 3 other teams with winning records to win a division title with half a season left.

95 Mariners

By Bobby's Cox

July 9, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

McFann

What is that oval symbol next to your name?

Is that supposed to be McCann’s waistline?

By Random

July 9, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies: “Here’s a player I’ve grown to like: Ryan Spilborghs. He’s really a corner OF forced to play CF because Willy Taveras stinks. His OPS this year is .914 (and a solid .829 away from Coors). He’s stolen 7 in 9 attempts playing roughly half-time… . And he can flat mash the ball… . The Rox will probably be sellers pretty soon. I’d like to see him in a Braves uni.”

Yeah, me too!!! (I think.) TommyP and I were discussing that a few days ago:

TP: “2) Ryan Spilborghs: Colorado has kept him again this year as their 4th outfielder, spelling Taveras currently and also Hawpe when he was injured… . Ryan is hitting .305, 6 dingers, 31 ribbies, .410 OBP, .898 OPS and 7 steals… . Again, stats that have been accumulated while not playing everyday so far this season.”

R: “Of Spilborghs and Ross, the former currently has great splits (.333/.443/.627) against LH pitchers. Do you think he’d be available? Could he platoon with Kotsay in CF?”

Unfortunately, Spilborghs pulled his oblique last night and is headed for the DL. And it doesn’t seem like the Rockies are very eager to lose him, either. Wonder what they would want for him?

Oh, well — we’ll see.

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 9, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

WTG JJJ! Give him a pat on the back for us, DOB.

By TB

July 9, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Wonder how Gonzo likes being identified at Tavarez in these Yahoo Sports pics: Link: Yahoo Gallery

Guess all those with names ending in “…ez” look alike?

By Chop Chop

July 9, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

The Braves are not trying to do the impossible.

They’re just trying to do something that doesn’t seem that probable and, if done, will likely lead to an early exit from the playoffs.

Of course, that’s all Braves fans care about! Division titles are our World Series, baby!

Yeah!

By Ron Roberts

July 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

K.C. my friend, your body of work, over the years, does not put you in a position to decide who’s a realist.

You, sir, were comparing our potential big three of Hudson, Glavine and Hampton with other potential playoff opposition starters.

I love your optimism; it’s refreshing in this blog full of hand-wringing and “woe is me” fretting. But you always - without fail - take the optimistic point-of-view with this team. Not realistic, but optimistic.

Second-best ERA, add a right-handed bat who hits for average, rebound by Francoeur, second-half surge by Tex, injury-free second half by Chipper, the return (?) of Glavine and Hampton… it’s asking and presuming alot. Yeah, sure, if all that happens, I’d like a team’s odds, too. Hell, I’ll even spot you one… this team doesn’t need Galvine or Hampton to return to succeed. But it does need a more Tex-like and Francouer-like performance the rest of the way, and it has to have an effective, DL-free second half fro Soriano and Mike Gonzalez and the starters we do have to even have a chance.

Buddy, year-in, year-out, you supposition yourself into a frenzy when this team shows signs of not being able to make it to the postseason; you’re a damn-good fan, man, and a damn-fine optimist, but I just don’t think your history here dictates that you can point out who’s being optimistic, realistic or pessemistic, friend. :)

By Shaun

July 9, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Spilborghs does look like a solid player. His .423 slugging away from Coors is nothing to write home about but he’s a solid player. I just don’t know if the Rockies would trade a quality, cheap outfielder in case they lose Holliday. And I’m not sure how great he will be in the future. He’s not all that young for a ballplayer.

By David O'Brien

July 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG IS UP

By BravesFanInRockies

July 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Hey Random,

I was listening to the game when the play happened. Spilly was set to score from first on a double when he pulled up lame.

The club clearly likes him — they promote the heck out of him on the local Fox affiliate — but he’s not pushing Holliday or Hawpe out of the starting lineup. If they’re trying to move Holliday, Spilborghs is the obvious everyday LF here. If not, he might could be had for a prospect or two, or a bullpen arm (Ring?) and a prospect.

By ncscoots

July 9, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

…[Francoeur is] an uncoachable 24 yr-old with horrible mechanics, non-existant fundamentals, no confidence, poor plate discipline, pathetic pitch recognition, and a complete inability to make productive outs.

Wow. So, if he were a horse, you’d just put a bullet in his head?

On second thought, would you even make the mammalian distinction? :-)

By Hit, Heap, Hit!

July 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

And now a quote from our hero who always has a timely quote:

“I’ve been lucky to tutor under T.P. and learn from him,” Jones said of Pendleton. “Heck, I remember when I was a rookie having to untie his shoes for him after the games because his back was so messed up and he couldn’t bend down to do it. But he really taught me how to play the game, so I’m trying to pay him back by playing some good baseball.”

(Sometimes I think U Kno Who still reads the blogs every day)

By Cole Dorsey

July 17, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Mike Hampton is the biggest legal criminal thief in the history of baseball!

This guy is a joke. I think the Atlanta Braves should take legal action to recoup some of the money he is being payed.

That money would be better spent converting Mike Vick into a baseball player! Yikes!!!

Hampton is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By John1075

February 3, 2009 9:59 AM | Link to this

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