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By Stephen

July 4, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

Wish Frenchy the best! Here’s hoping he breaks out of this quickly and is back up and tearing it up in The Show the 2nd half!

By Andre

July 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

FIRST!

By Rowland Office

July 4, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Jeff is a good kid with great character and faith. He also has a great family who is very supportive. He will be fine.

By Bill in VA

July 4, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Here’s hoping he will make the best of it & come back strong. Some others have.

By Robin

July 4, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Great move! It’ll be good for him and the Braves. A chance for him to get straightened out not at the expense of the big club. Kinda wish it’d been done sooner but, better late than never. He’ll be a better player for it. I think he’ll be OK and be back up here before you know it. Everybody slumps, only a few can come out of it. He’s taking the right steps to do so.

Good for you Jeff and good luck to ya!

By Marty

July 4, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

I don’t know whether this was the right move or not, but I do think that it makes sense to allow Jeff some time away from the spotlight to work on his swing.

Jeff is such a talented, committed, and mentally strong guy that I am sure that he will get things straightened out in short order. Jeff, I wish you all the best, and I hope that you get the kinks worked out and make it back up here in a few weeks.

By Varoadrunner

July 4, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Well I’ve been on Frenchy for the last month or so, now, I can only hope him all the best of luck in recovering his swing. I’m not so sure this is the answer. I still think a Psychiatrist is the answer. His problems seem to be between his ears. He feels as if he must hit home runs every time at bat. But agin, I wish him all the best of luck.

By TommyP

July 4, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Just posted this on the other blog and then Carroll pulls out a fresh one straight from the oven. (Hot stove???…maybe not)

So we send down Frenchy for another local product from Jonesboro? Always thinking public relations, eh?

All jokes aside…it’s obvious why we chose Perry over Anderson. We already have 2 light hitting centerfield guys on the squad (Kotsay has a little pop) and don’t see the need for a 3rd. Perry has been tearing it up at AA and AAA and I’m sure the Braves are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, a la Charles Thomas, Willie Harris, Matt Diaz, all of which were never considered prospects but gave the Braves a surprising jolt with their play.

Watching Frenchy has been sad as of late, real sad. I’m not going to say it’s been as sad as the Wohlers Saga years ago because that’s the saddest thing I’ve ever seen on a baseball diamond night after night.

You know Jeff has been working tirelessly to break out of this funk but it’s getting worse and worse. One night he rests the bat on his shoulder and the next night it’s held up. He’s simply throwing darts at a board blindfolded.

*Interesting for the bloggers here to see Jeff get sent to the minors and Andruw get called up on the same day. *

As we listen to some on here call for the replacement of Bobby Cox and the fact that he’s aging and it’s any year now, I got to thinking whom would I want to replace him. Then I thought a little deeper and wondered which other coaches I’d want alongside the new hire.

Off the top of my head, I can’t think of anyone in particular but instead I’ll take the top candidate in the Minnesota Twins organization to steer the ship. Year after year after year they work on a small budget and end up either in first or competing for the lead. And they do all of that by playing the game the right way. We definitely need that.

My pitching coach would be Mike Maddux who has worked wonders with several pitchers for Milwaukee over the past several years.

And somewhere on my staff be it 1st base or 3rd base coach, I’d find a spot for Davey Lopes, the greatest baserunning coach I’ve ever seen. Just look at the unparralleled success of the Phillies’ baserunners over the past few years with him teaching the art of the steal.

Signing those two coaches alone would make a bigger impact on a team than any high salary free agent acquisition.

By Section 412

July 4, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

We all want nothing more than for him to work it out and come back stronger. I don’t think those that “bash” him do it for personal reasons, it’s just that he is hurting the team right now. I think we all want him to get some work in, figure out what’s wrong, and then come back as a productive player. Good luck and best wishes to him.

By NCBravesFan

July 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

I think it will help both the player and the team focus on the immediate future, and getting back to where they need to be. For the Braves, I have to believe this will help them relax a little and actually start stringing some hits and runs together.

For Jeff, I hope it helps him regroup and get back to where he needs to be.

By Braves Fan

July 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Best of luck to Jeff! Too many critics here in Atlanta to cast any positive vibes, out of the spot light in Miss. he’ll get it all back together!! We’ll be looking for that “lucky 7” real soon!!!

By flange1

July 4, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Carroll,

Thanks for the information.

Good luck Frenchy, work hard and we will see you soon!

By Ryan

July 4, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

gotta do something to keep up with the Phillies or wake up and be 10 games back..

By Michael in Decatur

July 4, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Good luck Jeff…wishing you the best. Trust your God-given talent. Be patient.

By ByteMan

July 4, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

I think it’s a few weeks later than it should have been. The moment TP realized he had to totally reconstruct Francoeur’s swing was the moment they should have sent him down to take care of business out of the spotlight and let another minor leaguer get a chance in the spotlight. Love Francoeur, but he needs to find his groove again and you can’t do that having to play night after night in front of impatient fans.

Jeff, you’ll be back home soon. We’ll keep the light on for you.

By Ralph

July 4, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Right move, he’ll be back better than before, just keep him away from Pendleton.

By Stephen Frazier

July 4, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

At the risk of sounding off-topic, I propose that Frenchy’s MAIN problem is due to a lack of energy around him.

Bobby Cox’s unimaginative managerial style causes EVERY player’s at-bat to be a potential game breaker.

The hitter must produce the run. Period. Everything is on the BATTER’s shoulders, and a guy in a small funk will lapse progressively lower every time he fails in that spot.

If Cox would spread the offensive responsibilities (steal, hit and run, squeeze, etc) instead of just clapping his hands and shouting “C’mon, kid!” then the hitters wouldn’t feel all the responsibility for the game.

The Braves had a little bad streak before Chipper went down. Chipper’s average started to slip. Focus..Teixeira. Same story. Focus McCann. Ditto. Focus Frenchy. so the story goes.

If the other guys, through hitting, running, and generally doing all they can to create runs when the team is drooping, were taking th e pressure off certain individuals, then Frenchy and others would be doing a lot better, in my opinion.

Seems like every time Francoeur goes to bat the bases are loaded or runner(s) in scoring position at a critical point in the qame. Only the BEST hitters can weather that kind of pressure day after day, let alone a 24 year old with two-plus years experience.

I think it would have been better to sit him for a couple of days and let him watch other hitters. Better yet, give him two days with Joe Simpson, who day after day gives a brilliant analysis of every Francoeur at-bat and points out why the kid is not hitting these days. Simpson has it exactly right as far as mechanics.

In my opinion I have it right as far as mentality. Now, if only Bobby Cox could get it right as to tactics.

By Berg

July 4, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

It’s kind of unfair to boo a guy who is busting his butt to get better, so I think this is probably in his best interest. Who is taking his roster spot?

By Connie

July 4, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

I think this is best for Jeff @ this point and I truly hope he can get back here for the second half. Thanks Braves management!

By nativebird

July 4, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Like re-arrainging the deck-chairs on the Titanic. What a smoke screen. one of the FEW bright spots of the future and your MLB team coaches punt on the ability to HELP HIM thru a slump?

It’s sad. the continuted “grasping” of this “brilliant” brain trust (wren-scheruholz) is a joke. you pin your future to the past and this is what you get (the over 40 crowd starting pitching and a multi-millionaire who has pitched in 3 years, plus a hall of fame 3rd baseman who keeps pulling hammy’s!). time to deal, rebuild, new everyting, INCLUDING your head coach.

so you keep Andrew Jones who hit like oh for a lifetime in the lineup for TEN years, yet you send your young best prospect out for Pysch treatment in the minors as SOON as he hits below .250? (mind you STILL better than Andrew ever thought about hitting).

what a JOKE!

By whynot

July 4, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Glad to see the Braves finally woke up. Jeff had 3 very good months in 2005 and since then has been one of the worst producing regular big leaguers. And please don’t tell me about his rbi’s and how hit almost .300 one year. His OBP is pathetic and he makes more outs than just about anybody in the NL. And now this year, his SLG % is that of a light hitting 2B. He’s sported some of the worst OPS’s for a regular outfielder the last few years. The guy needs to learn to swing at good pitches or he’ll never be productive at the ML level again. Right now though, he’s a 4th OF’er at best.

Maybe if he were more concerned about baseball, and less concerned about being a world famous pitch-man he could figure out the difference between a ball, a strike, and a strike you should swing at.

http://buffalo.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2008/06/02/story2.html

By Brian

July 4, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Funny how quickly they send Frenchy down with a 234 average. Lest we forget Andrew Jones sunk to 150 land and stayed in the show.

I have long thought the problem with the Braves bats was Pendleton. Frenchy isn’t the only issue we have at the plate.

By Todd

July 4, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Great kid, great player. One of the few bright spots - along with McCann - for the Braves over the past few years. Not sure sending him to the minors was the answer but I really hope he gets it together. Good luck Jeff!

By Greg

July 4, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Good luck, Jeff. This is for the best. You’ll come back better; Ron Gant did. Just hang in there. You need this. We’ll be cheering you again in Turner Field next year.

By lin

July 4, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

good lot his problem his buddy brian who he trying be like i think. brian getting hits ang frenchy not then think about it best for him is trade him out of atl area away from brian. he be himself then. take him and tex together for good trade

By Jeff321

July 4, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

I guess Cox only makes a move when the press start writing about and asking questions, eh? What if this happened a little sooner? Would the Braves still be in a hole? Perhaps. Because I think we can all agree the Braves problems are a lot more than Frenchy. However, its a real shame that Cox has to get embarrassed into doing whats right for the team. Ah, and save the excuse of having no one to play right field. Unless of course you’d like to explain to me how Norton manages out there in left? Surely we have people in single A that can catch. Maybe they can’t hit, but last time I checked — Mr. Frenchy hasn’t been doing much of that.

By CONNECTICUT BRAVES FAN

July 4, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Francoeur should have been sent down a month ago. He has to learn the strike zone, be more patient, quit moving his head, shorten his swing and stay away from T. Pendelton, a poor excuse for a hitting coach. More Braves hitters should take this advice.

With no-energy Cox as manager, watching the Braves is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

By raindawg722

July 4, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Berg, I agree with your 9:58 completely. You cannot fault a guy when he’s doing everything he can to get better. I hope Frenchy gets things turned around soon.

By GeorgiaYankeesFan

July 4, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Stephan Frazier’s got it right. Team is too lackadaisacal from front office right to skipper’s chair to the locker room. Not enough people in this organization care about winning championships. Apologists in this paper, on air, and in the organization need to stop making excuses and saying division crowns are ok and start asking for much much more. It would be much more fun to see all new talent then the collection of has been pitchers and feeble lineups. Enough is enough. The Yankees are over 500 and 5 games behind the Red Sox for wild card and they got torched last night. After the game Joe Girardi had enough and lit into his team for 31 mins. I’m not saying a clubhouse meeting by Bobby would solve anything as I don’t think the talent is there but someone needs to stand up and say it’s time for Braves to play harder. If the bats arent’ working find a way to manufacture some runs. You can’t remain scoreless for 2/3 of every game and win. It seriously is time for some new blood in the manager’s chair and clubhouse.

By Fan

July 4, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

28th!!’ ‘You people seeing who is first on a Blog.. act so queer.. It must be fun to be a real computer geek!!!

By bobby

July 4, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

I hope this works although I think a big part of his problem now is mental. That and TP messing with him. Pendleton and Cox have got to be the worst coach and manager in the majors.

By bill

July 4, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

jeff has always had a hole in his swing,since his days at rome,he has tried to correct that problem,and in so doing he has made it worse.he needs to start from scratch,and be patient,he has the ability,he will be back.

By SCDawg

July 4, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

How About sending Pendleton to the minor leagues. He killed AJ’s career and is well on his way to killing Frenchies. Cox needs to get rid of his loyalty to pendleton to TP and get a REAL hitting coach who can get these guys to situational hit with runners in scoring position, on 3rd base and less than two outs. Get rid of TP before he ruins McCann and Escobar too.

By SCDawg

July 4, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

How About sending Pendleton to the minor leagues. He killed AJ’s career and is well on his way to killing Frenchies. Cox needs to get rid of his loyalty to pendleton and get a REAL hitting coach who can get these guys to situational hit with runners in scoring position, on 3rd base and less than two outs. Get rid of TP before he ruins McCann and Escobar too.

By Jeff R

July 4, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Didn’t think that the front office would pull the trigger and send Francoeur down, but they did - to their credit and Francoeur’s benefit.

Sometimes, good players go through prolonged slumps. I think the time at Mississippi will help Francoeur work through his problems and get back on track.

By rotomeister

July 4, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Finally! This should have been done a month ago. Perhaps he could have been straightened out by now and he could have helped us win a game or two instead of being the standard bearer for the teams ineptness offensively.

By Voice of Sanity

July 4, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Sadly, Francouer reminds me more of Brad Komminsk, the futile “great” prospect of the late Eighties, who, like Francouer, had all the tools but never did learn to hit the ball.

There is no certainty Francoeur will ever return from the minors. What happens if he hits .200 in Mississippi?

Bonjour, Frency, et biontot.

By Drixie

July 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

This is the right move. Jeff seems to be the type of player that will only press harder the worse things get. This is not a good thing at the major league level. He has the opportunity to work things out, and come back even better than before the slump. Best of luck Jeff!

By Robert S

July 4, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

I’m shocked frankly. I didn’t think they had the guts to do it, but lo and behold, they did.

Mississippi will be good for Jeff. No pressure, no worries about a pennant race, just a chance to clear his head and get things turned around.

Let’s hope he does…………

By Shaun

July 4, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

*I guess Cox only makes a move when the press start writing about and asking questions, eh? *

Jeff, you are aware Cox is not the GM, right? And you are aware that GM’s are primarily responsible for roster moves on major league teams, right?

Yes, managers have input but GMs have the final say on roster moves.

By Manny

July 4, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

C-ya Frenchy!

He was killing me everytime the bases were loaded and he went to the plate. I used to change the channel.

Also, this gives an opportunity for someone who can help this team come up from the minors and make a difference.

By dawn

July 4, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

i love jeff francouer for his attitude and trying to get out of his slump.i know he is trying his best.i don’t think they should have sent him down quite yet.give him a couple days off and see how he would do and then maybe send him down.

By Doug

July 4, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

They worry about the backlash, but so far its been next to nothing. Everyone understands.

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By Marty

July 4, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

You idiots making comments about Cox and Andruw and others should probably try getting your facts straight. The level of misinformation and stupidity on this blog is as high as ever.

Good luck, Jeff.

By geauxbraves2000

July 4, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Interesting news to wake up to. I honestly never thought this would happen, but I think it’s the best for JF right now.

I want to see him back quickly, but only after he is ready to comb back, not before.

GL JF.

Geaux Braves!!

By tvsportscaster

July 4, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

berg, in response to your post about who will take Frenchy’s roster spot. Former Georgia Tech outfielder Jason Perry has been called up from Richmond.

By rotomeister

July 4, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

17% of the people polled so far here at the AJC poll think this demotion was the wrong thing! What are you people thinking?

Look at these numbers posted at MLB.com just moments ago: “he has hit just .121 with a .183 on-base percentage and .136 slugging percentage in his last 18 games.”

Add that to his overall horrible numbers and it is clear that he was doing neither himself nor the team any good. This was long overdue.

I hope he makes it back to the 2005 level but I have my doubts. He doesn’t see the ball well. He doesn’t have a good concept of the strike zone. And his swing has some fundamental flaws that even a novice like me can see. I’m still amazed at how he was able to take the league by storm those first few weeks because he has been nothing like that since.

By prattvillenolzfan

July 4, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

3 things about Frenchy being sent down

I live 10 miles north of Montgomery Ala. The Montgomery minor league team just finished their last home series against Mississippi last night…..Talk about timing…Oh well

I wonder who made the decision, Wren/Cox et al…and if everyone was in agreement.( like did Wren do it against Bobby’s wishes)

Sometimes you need to tear someone completely down before you can build them back up….

Also heard on ESPN radio this morning that Jose Reyes & Keith Hernandez got into a “severe altercation” last night. Seems Hernandez said on the air that it is time for Minaya to “quit babying” Reyes and it is time for Reyes to “grow up”. Some of Reyes friends told him about the comments and when confronted, Hernandez did not deny it

Somehow I try to picture Skip Carey and say Franceour or Tex getting into it, and I just can’t picture that……

By T-Bone

July 4, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Playing in Pearl should be about as low-stress as you can get for him to get his stroke and thought process back. He frankly had no clue/plan in his at bats lately, less of an idea than Andruw and that is an astounding development! Well, if this doesn’t work he still has his football eligibility, right?

By Rich

July 4, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Since you have nothing to do then come to Pride. Why don’t The Braves get rid of the old ugly one’s like Chipper and Smoltz? Keep the hotties like Frankie!!

By david

July 4, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

i hope he dont hold it against the organization i like to see him here a long time with kj and b mac

By Paddy

July 4, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

I am not sure what advice he will get at AA, I am sure it will be sound advice. Henry Aaron said that in each plate appearance you should get one pitch you can hit hard somewhere. JF thinks every pitch he sees he can hit hard. It is faulty logic on his part. If they teach nothing else it should be plate patience until he gets 2 strikes. Good luck, we want you back as soon as you are ready.

By brian

July 4, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

this is the right move. Instead of saying he doesn’t agree with the move, Francoeur should just say that he wants to do everything he can to get back on track and if going to the minors to work in a less pressurized environment helps, then he is all for it. This is temporary for Francoeur and he will be back, and hopefully be back better than before. Ron Gant had to go back to single A and except for a boneheaded motor cycle ride, it worked for him

By roids?

July 4, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

i hate to say it, but is anyone thinking the difference year over year might be roids?

By NCBravesFan

July 4, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Marty I posted this on the older blog just before Carroll started this one. I think it kinda sums things up re: what a few of these folks are posting this morning …

*Yeah, I’m sure Cox, Wren & Co. didn’t give a single thought about sending Francouer out until a bunch of bloggers suggested it.

That’s because they were most likely obsessed with the asinine notion that, having closed the gap on Philly to four games and having same Phillies in their yard for three this week, that if Frenchy were to break out of his slump and the team managed to win the series, it could be something that our young slugger could latch onto heading into the rest of the season.

I’m also sure they were obsessed with the idiotic notion that a guy who drove in 100+ runs in his first two full seasons in the majors might deserve a little respect and have an ample opportunity to work through this on the ML level.

Yeah, and they probably got all hung up on the stupid notion that a guy who’s busting his a$$ on a daily basis and is a respected and well-liked member of the team should be given a break during his first prolonged slump of his career (& life).

And they probably figured out too late that all the team’s struggles revolve around him and him alone, and that every failure for a disappointing season can be laid at his doorstep.

So I am sure that they are mighty thankful that a bunch of name-calling, anonymous bloggers were able to help them see this clearly so they could for the first time understand that Frenchy could be and should be sent to the minors.

Yeap, I’m sure the Braves’ brass is mighty happy to have such a great core of fans helping them see & assess the real problems, and make the tough choices.

Because I’m sure that this option was never considered by the Braves at all until you guys started talking about it.*

By jbutler

July 4, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

JF is by all accounts a decent, stand up guy. But baseball is a business - and JF wasn’t getting it done and needs to take the punch in the gut of going to the minors as a wake up call. I think the fans will be more forgiving because the team is reeling and see that mgmt is willing to do what it takes to turn it around. Unlike a certain AJ who basically rotted at the plate last year before our eyes…

By ncgary

July 4, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

tommyp the idea of more roving instructors in mlb is probably one of the wizest investments a general manager or vice president of operations could make, and well placed bids on free agent coaches like maddux and lopes or a simmons in milwaukee would put fun and fundamentals back into some lackadasical (speeling why bother)play of late

By Eric

July 4, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

When I first heard the headline, I thought Jeff had suggested this move himself. I’m sorry he’s opposed to it, but he should look at it like someone coming off the DL going through rehab before rejoining the big league team. He’ll be fine. This is a good way to relieve the pressure and clear his head.

By joe

July 4, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Heck yes, it is a GREAT move…Brandon Jones was hitting like Chipper Jones when he was up here, while Jeff was really struggling. Now with Jones, Kotsay and Blanco in the outfield, and Chipper and our starting shortstop back in the lineup, maybe the Braves have a chance to make up some ground before they are out of it…

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Also heard on ESPN radio this morning that Jose Reyes & Keith Hernandez got into a “severe altercation” last night. Seems Hernandez said on the air that it is time for Minaya to “quit babying” Reyes and it is time for Reyes to “grow up”. Some of Reyes friends told him about the comments and when confronted, Hernandez did not deny it

Keith Hernandez is so right. Instead of babying Reyes, they need to teach Reyes how to use cocaine like Hernandez did to Strawberry and Gooden. It’s a joke that Hernandez is held in such high esteem because he was friendly with the media and was on Seinfield. Hernandez was a piece of crap - just as bad as Gooden and Strawberry.

By "Skipp"

July 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

I believe that ultimately this will be the right move. I have great confidence in and admiration for Jeff’s athletic ability and savvy, and think that he’ll be just fine. He’ll be back better and stronger than ever, and be a great part of the pennant run in the second half. GOOD LUCK, FRENCHY !!

By Interested Observer

July 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Frenchy, if you read this, best of luck to you. We are all pulling for you. I know your ego is a little bruised right now, but please take this as the opportunity it is to relax, get yourself straightened out, and come back better than ever. It is true that you weren’t the solely responsible for the offensive problems. There were plenty of people struggling particularly with RISP. But you took the brunt of it because of all those people struggling, we expect the most of you. We know you have it in you. If you keep your head up and stay focused, you won’t be gone long!

By Wellman

July 4, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Maybe Wellman will teach Francoeur how to sneak up on the pitchers mound and toss hand grenades. And someone earlier wrote about giving him a chance to get away from the “pennant” race and clear his head. Which pennant race is that???? The Braves sure aren’t in one.

By Supes

July 4, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

All I have to say about 6-4-3 being demoted to AA ball…it’s about fraking time!

Braves management I guess does have a pair of balls still and exercised some common sense logic here.

Now all they need to do is bring up Josh Anderson, unless they plan on dealing for another OF soon.

Matty Diaz will be back next week, hopefully he comes back strong.

It’d like to keep both Diaz and Anderson on the team and send down one of these pitchers Bobby likes to use for 1 batter every 2 days.

More bench depth, more outfield depth, giving you someone who can also steal a base late in the game.

Platoon Matty Diaz and Josh Anderson in LF, keep Kotsay in CF and have Gregor Blanco play RF for the moment.

If the Braves have ever needed to “man up” and show some heart and character…it’s right now. Chipper, Tex and Mac have to carry this team.

Yunel and KJ need to step up and do their part.

Come on offense, show some signs of life. I know it was Cole Hamels last night…but he isn’t in the HOF yet! I guess studs like Hamels and Sheets just own the Braves and it puts the offense in a funk.

Well, gotta step up against Houston. Nothing less than a sweep of Houston will be acceptable.

In the meantime, I never thought I’d be hoping the NY Mets beat anyone, but playing against the Phillies…the Braves need all the help they can get.

Watching the Braves just got a whole lot easier without having to suffer through Jeff’s at bats.

Thank you Braves management for finally doing the right thing.

It’s now up to Jeff to figure things out in the minors, and I hope he does b/c this team is still counting on him to come back here at some point and produce.

By whynot

July 4, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

@Braveheart

Maybe you should learn when Keith was on his coke binge, since it wasn’t while in NY. But never let facts get in the way. If I weren’t so courteous, I’d ask you if you know whether Bobby teaches his youngster’s his wife-beating techniques. So which is worse, abusing yourself or beating up women?

By CODY

July 4, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

I see some people are blasting the Braves for sending francine down when they didn’t do it to Andrew last year when he hit 150. Well I will tell you why, Francour is making 400,000 and andruw was making aroun 14,000,000. You don’t send a man to the minors making that much money. That is why “IF” Hampton comes back HE WILL BE IN ROTATION, even if that means bye bye to Morton and Camplillo same goes for Glavine.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

227-231 over the last 458 games. 4 games under .500. It’s time for the AJC columnists and the sports radio talk show hosts in this town to do their jobs by demanding answers. Is it the owners? Is it the front office? Is it the manager? Is it the minor league developmental staff? Is it the scouts? Is it all of the above? Whatever the case may be, the opinionmakers in this town have got to start opining about it instead of continuing to excuse it. What are they afraid of?

By justin

July 4, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

I say whatever happens we are gonna learn A LOT about the character of Jeff Francoeur after this situation. Is he gonna let it bother him and turn into one of those prima donna superstars and be p** he’s in the minors, or is he gonna man up, fix whats wrong, and come back strong. I personally think the later will happen, but you never know. Hopefully he can get it pulled back together and turn it back on in Atlanta after the break.

By Drew

July 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

I commend the Braves for finally putting the emotions aside and using their heads to make a smart business decision. In business, which is what this is, you must think rationally and learn to put aside any feelings, which is NOT what the Braves had done in the past (Bobby Cox sticking with his players).

A standing O from this guy…hopefully Jeff can get his head on straight and come back for a monster second half. If not, Texieria is looking more and more signable.

By Carolyn Wilder

July 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

I know Bobby didn’t want to have to do this. Maybe it would work just as well to move him down in the lineup, and sit him down against certain pitchers. I trust that he will be back soon. Because now there is no pressure. Jeff, I hope you read this and all the positive comments. We love you and want you back!

By Mr J

July 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Did Francoeur get “the O’Brien Blog Bump”? (with apologies to Steven Colbert)

By DP

July 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

I agree with Rotomeister. Francouer has been an overhyped player even before his slump this year. His lack of strike zone discipline rivals Andruw Jones.

Francouer started out as a mistake hitter. I always wondered why pitchers ever threw him a fastball in the strike zone. Once the pitchers figured out how to pitch to Francouer, they have attacked his weaknesses so aggressively that it has made him defensive and now he can’t even hit the mistakes. I saw him barely foul off two hanging curves in one AB in Wednesday night’s game. He was diving in on inside hanging curves and hitting them off his fists, then stepping in the bucket and waving at outside pitches that he couldn’t even reach.

I hope I’m wrong but I think Francouer is the second coming of Brad Comminsk. How do you break a hitter of what is natural and what has always worked for him (at least through high school) and teach him a new swing? It rarely works in golf, and the golf ball is sitting on the ground, not coming in at 90 miles an hour with movement.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Maybe you should learn when Keith was on his coke binge, since it wasn’t while in NY. But never let facts get in the way.

You might want to read some baseball books sometime. In his autobiography, Strawberry said he had never seen cocaine in his life until Hernandez called him into an airplane bathroom and told him do some lines of coke.

Here’s what Tom Verducci wrote about it in 2000:

The way Strawberry remembers it, his first experience with cocaine occurred in 1983, soon after he was promoted to the major leagues. He liked to drink beer and he had smoked pot sometimes, but now two of his veteran teammates were asking him to try something new. “There’s a couple of lines in the bathroom for you, kid,” he remembers them saying. “This is the big leagues. This is what you do in the big leagues. Go ahead. It’s good for you.” Strawberry tried the cocaine. Damn, he thought, that’s good. So began a career whose trademark has been its volatility.

Verducci left Hernandez’s name out of the article because, well, like I said, Hernandez was the media’s darling and they always protected him. But if you read Strawberry’s autobiography, he names Hernandez as the guy who introduced him to cocaine.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/02/23/strawberryflashback95/

Don’t let your ignorance get in your way. Go read a book sometime

By Joseph

July 4, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Some of you folks are cry babies. IF you think sending Jeff wasn’t the right move then your half crazy. Say what you want about Andruw’s bat in the lineup, but atleast he could get on base and hit some homeruns. Jeff cannot get the ball out of the infield and K’s way too much. His OBP is where his BA should be….about .297 He needs to figure it out. All yall crying for the heads of the front office should go root for another team. This is a very logical move that needed to be done for Jeff and for the team. If he turns it around post all star, all is forgotten and we make a move on the East…..

By Larvell Blanks

July 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Repeat after me: “I’m Keith Hernandez!”

By prattvillenolzfan

July 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Braveheart

I couldn’t agree with you more….It’s amazing (no pun intended) how revered hernandez is in mets circles. While I agree 100% with what he said, why the Mets employ him is another example of a stupid and classless organization.

roids? First of all, man (or McFann) up and use your real post name…

Second of all, statements like that, is the basis of which reputations can get destroyed in a heartbeat.

David What a stupid and dumba55 statement.

Should we actually care if poor little Jeffy holds his demotion against us. If Jeff is serious about trying to improve as a player, then he’ll accept this, learn from this, and grow from it. From all indications, he is a very classy person, hard-worker, and only if he is childish and immature will he “hold” this against us…

The Braves are the employer, Jeff is the employee. Jeff is not producing up to the level that the employer decides. The employer takes steps to 1 help the business perform to a maximum level and 2 help the employee become a more productive and usefull employee.

I think the majority of us “sane” bloggers wish nothing but success for Franceour. My daughters have gotten his autograph on two seperate occasions, and by all accounts he is really a classy and stand-up guy. Hopefully he can learn from this, do what he needs to do and come back stronger than before.

Mary Pickford once wrote If you make mistakes, even serious ones, there is always another chance for you. What we call failure is not the falling down. Failure is the act of staying down.

By StrawberryRoan

July 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

This was an excellent move. Jeff is a very dedicated player who simply has lost his bearings. He needs to work out his problems outside of the spotlight of MLB.

I agree that Cox’s refusal to play small ball is costing this club games. He plays for the big inning and throws away chances to move runners up and steal runs. Shades of Earl Weaver at Baltimore several decades ago. But as long as he is the manager, this will continue. He can’t seem to realize he no longer has a great pitching staff and must do something to manufacture some runs for his present starters. Seems he has never heard of “get ‘em on, get ‘em over, and get ‘em in.”

Good luck, Jeff, we want you to do well and come back and be a part of the Braves team again. Use the time wisely in Mississippi and concentrate on your hitting rather than feeling sorry for yourself. It could save your career.

By walter

July 4, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

The whole team should be demoted. The braves of 1991 will have never played this way.

By Michael

July 4, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Hi, I agree that something had to be done. My whole take on Francouer is that he simply does not know the strike zone and has an inability to not get himself out a high percentage of his plate appearances. He is going to have to change his identity as a hitter.

Free swingers flame out. They just do. I think the approach for Jeff is positive reinforcement for laying off balls out of the strike zone. Keep doing it right time after time after time. I would send him to Extended Spring training/rookie ball. A complete re-learning is required and I am not sure if that is possible in AA. Calling this season over for him is hard given his pride and competitiveness, but patience here is key. If he thinks long term, he can revive his career and make it a long and successful one.

Admitting you suck at a key part (hitting) of your profession and admitting you are at rock bottom takes courage. Also, the drive it takes to change and improve under these circumstances is immense. After seeing Andruw Jones never learn, I don’t want to see the same thing happen to another great Brave. Good luck Jeff.

By a real Braves fan!

July 4, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

I hope that this works for him and he is able to regain his swing as well as his confidence. In the meantime, I think it is a shame that in one year, he has fans cheering him on, saying he’s the man, then as soon as he gets in a slump, they boo. I was at the game last night and it was a pathetic display of support, espcecially toward someone who is busting their butt to pull out of it. I really wish these boo’ers would stay home rather than coming out to Turner Field! Best wishes to Jeff… we look forward to you getting back in ATL with that magic bat of yours!

By Mitchell

July 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

This is idiotic. Why didn’t they do this to Andruw last year? Jeff will figure it out, Andruw will never be able to hit again.

This team is too good to be playing like this and this franchise is too decent to do something like this. This is the kind of thing only the Mets would do.

This is pathetic. It may help Jeff but it won’t help the team.

By Efrim

July 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Braveheart

227-231 over the last 458 games. 4 games under .500. It’s time for the AJC columnists and the sports radio talk show hosts in this town to do their jobs by demanding answers. Is it the owners? Is it the front office? Is it the manager? Is it the minor league developmental staff? Is it the scouts? Is it all of the above? Whatever the case may be, the opinionmakers in this town have got to start opining about it instead of continuing to excuse it. What are they afraid of?

Well said man. Well said. But people will bring up the injuries and squash it. By the way, did you hear about Mike and the Mad Dog? Looks like that show is finished.

By Danny

July 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

I think it will be good for him. I hope he rediscovers his swing too and starts enjoying himself a little more. Once he does that, I will welcome him back with open arms, as will every Braves fan. Good luck Jeff!

By Navigator

July 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry people, a 75 year old manager. The Yankees went through this with Casey Stengel, and his success is greater that Cox. It was hard, but they finally did it., and maybe the front office will make this decision finally. Frenchy may be the catalyst for this decision, because he never got the coaching he needed to improve. I put this squarely on the management (all) for allowing him to fall this far.

By MetsFan

July 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

I’m not a Braves fan- in fact, I hate the braves. but i liked francouer and think its too bad hes going to be going back to the minor leagues. keith hernandez does the mets broadcasts and talked about how embarrassing it is for a player to go back down after having played some time in the show. francouer has 70 career homers and 300 rbis! i hope this kid the best

By Joshua Barlowe

July 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

When is Terry Pendleton going to be held accountable??

By alan from Atlanta GA.

July 4, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

It will probably do him good to be out of the spotlight. He can work on his problems, which by this time may not be just his hitting slump. He’ll be back, hopefully the way he had been before the slump. Get used to the boos it’s part of the game. Good luck

By LivininAL

July 4, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Gonna be a long weekend for Jeff, but I few at bats with no pressure is needed. I think every fan was tensing up with Jeff when he walked to the plate. His head was so low when returning to the dugout that I expected to see him ready to crawl next week. Well needed move, hope to see Frenchy back in future tearing the ball up and helping the Braves to a gradual return toward the top of the division.

By cathy

July 4, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Too bad we can’t send that dinosaur Cox down to the minors-

By Hit Heap Hit

July 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

I agree with Drew on all points and wish nothing but the best for Frenchy. As hard as I’ve been on him I want nothing more than to see him succeed. Great kid, nobody will disagree with that, just needs some time to put it back together again. Maybe this will be a wake up call for the team and a turning point in the season.

By BraveTiger

July 4, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Carroll, have the Braves announced who will take Frenchy’s place on the roster? I’d think Brandon Jones. And what the immediate plans are for his spot in the outfield? I would imagine a trio of Infante, Blanco and Kotsey with Jones mixed in.

By braves70

July 4, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Great news! Best of luck to Jeff. Relax and start anew. We know you can do it . Whatever does not kill you can only strengthen you. Great move Braves.

Now for step 2, remove that old man from the manager’s office and the dugout. Jeff has accepted his situation, time for Cox to face facts that he needs to step down.

By bravesfan

July 4, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Joshua Barlowe, I agree with you. If Wellman fixes Francoeur’s swing, hire him as hitting coach.

By JC FROM UT

July 4, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Very tough, although correct, decision by managment. I would’ve never thought it would actually happen. JF not only need to get his swing staightened out but needs to learn the strike zone. Hopefully JF will take this as a learning expirience that will help his career in the long run and not mope about it and blame everyone else for something he only is resposible for. So many people want to blame TP. None of us know how good or bad of a hitting instructor TP is or isn’t. It still comes downn to JF himself. He never changed his habits of trying to hit everything out of the park and never learned the strike zone. How many times has he came up swining at the first pitch when the pitcher has thrown 5-6 consecutive balls. That is not the fault of TP only JF. I wish JF the best and hope he comes back strong, but if not this is not the guy to build the franchise around just because he sells shirts and looks good. An ugly guy can sell T shirts and jerseys if he hits.

By DP

July 4, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

To Mitchell and others who can’t figure out why Francouer was sent down and Andruw wasn’t:

1. The collective bargaining agreement doesn’t allow you to send a guy with Andruw’s tenure down to the minors. I’m not sure of the specifics, but I think 5+ years in the majors means that you can’t be sent down without clearing waivers.
2. Andruw had a long history of production as a hitter with over 300 career home runs and one season with over 50. Francouer had a couple of months of good production before pitchers figured out how to get him out or turn him into a singles hitter.
3. Andruw was a perennial gold glove center fielder and the Braves couldn’t replace his glove (as you’ve probably noticed with the guys playing out there this year). Right field is an easier position to fill.

If Francouer wasn’t the local golden boy and part of the Braves marketing he would have been benched, traded or sent down long before now.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

I couldn’t agree with you more….It’s amazing (no pun intended) how revered hernandez is in mets circles. While I agree 100% with what he said, why the Mets employ him is another example of a stupid and classless organization.

Yeah, I think Hernandez was a really good player and a great on field leader and is a good analyst but it’s amazing to me how highly thought of he is as a human being while they turn their backs on most of the rest of the crazy 86 Mets. But, anyways, for the guy who told me I didn’t know what I was talking about, here is yet another quote from a different Verducci article from 1995 about Gooden, Strawberry, Hernandez and substance abuse:

The most influential player on those Met teams of the mid- to late-1980s was Hernandez, the smarmy first baseman who, during 1985 drug trials in Pittsburgh involving 23 baseball players, admitted using cocaine while he was with St. Louis in the early ’80s. Hernandez advised Strawberry on how to break out of a batting slump: Go out and get totally smashed. Strawberry remembers the time Hernandez told him he’d found the perfect drink, of which he needed only five or six in a night: “Dry martini,” Strawberry says, laughing.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/02/23/strawberryflashback95/

By Robin

July 4, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Anyone know who’s taking Jeff’s place on the roster?

By eddie

July 4, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Good analogy to Frenchy and Brad Komminsk. Although Brad never drove in 100 runs nor won a gold glove, he was every bit the can’t miss prospect; he also was the epitome of politeness and respect despite being a phenom and a “hunk” to the ladies. But his swing was never straightened out (chopped at the ball, greatly diminishing the time his bat was level in the striking zone). He stayed on major league payrolls (6 teams) for 8 years because there was always someone who thought that he could be fixed. Unfortunately it never happened and he currently manages in the Baltimore minor league chain.

Let’s hope Frenchy meets a better fate.

By Robert

July 4, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Why not send down Corky Miller also his avg. is .100 Don’t we have a better catcher in minors.

I thought we were suppose to have one of the best hitting coaches. Doesn’t he need to step up.

By dawgs1974

July 4, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Smart move on the Braves part,,,they need to find out if he can work his way out of these slumps before they give him a big time contract.

Furthermore, Tex needs to be gone by the trade deadline. There is no reason to keep him if we don’t have a realistic shot at signing him long term. We desperately need some more contact hitters.

By Theo

July 4, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

The true measure of a man is how he responds to failure. It’s no shame to get knocked down, but it surely is to not regain your feet and go forward.

A hard a bitter pill to take.

Wish him well

By bravesfan

July 4, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

For those who have asked, Jason Perry will take Francoeur’s spot on the roster.

By Rick in Dallas

July 4, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

That loving for George Bush has to catch up with you.

By JEB

July 4, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Sad move, but a MUCH needed move for Frenchy!

He needs to get out of the spotlight. Not just the local spotlight, but the national sports news were picking up the story of his slump and it is front page news on FOX & ESPN news. It would be REALLY hard to work out of a slump with that pressure.

Best of luck to Jeff - and I WANT to see him come back even better! I believe he will!!

Every player hits a wall in his career - some do it in the minors and improve. Jeff never has hit that wall until this year. All of the flaws came to the forefront - and he could not get past them. Every pitcher now capitalized on them. Froom High School through the minors, Jeff was ALWAYS a star.

If he has star qualities, those qualities will rise in his character and he will be back - even better!

Baseball is a humbling game - but, that’s not a bad thing!

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

prattvillenolzfan First of all, man (or McFann) up and use your real post name…

Are you suggesting that was me?

I am very hurt.

By MCH

July 4, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Too bad there are so many know-it-alls at home for the holiday to make comments on things they know hardly anything about. Good luck to Jeff!

By Robin

July 4, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Thanks bravesfan.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

By the way, did you hear about Mike and the Mad Dog? Looks like that show is finished.

Efrim, I would be shocked if they break up. I think this is nothing more than a very calculated way to keep their names in the news and on people’s minds all summer. It’s no different than a cliffhanger in the season finale of a television series. The two of them never work in the summer and rarely work together in the summer. They want drama all summer so that people don’t forget them while they take the summer off.

But if they did break up, it would be a very stupid move by the two of them. They are great together but are nothing without each other. They have, however, lost a bit off their fastball over the years. They sound increasingly out of touch with what is really going on. Their hearts don’t seem in it anymore - especially Mike.

By KC

July 4, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Good ole Scribe brought up a great point in his blog today (http://braves.today.com/)…

Remember Ron Gant’s trip to the minors? He turned out fine. That should offer some encouragement for Frenchy.

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

i’ve spoken to jeff this morning and he’s pretty upset. hard to blame him. he’s a guy with a lot of pride and this is something no major league would ever want to go through. the main story was just updated with some quotes from him but basically i think it’s coming from the emotion he feels, the disappointment. he’d rather work it out in the majors. but i’m sure his attitude will be fine. he wants to get right worse than anyone. he’s flying over there this afternoon and i’m sure will be in the lineup tonight.

he was given the choice of richmond or mississippi and he chose mississippi because of wellman. so maybe they can work some magic together and get jeff back swinging like normal.

yes it’s jason perry coming up. he’s played both corner outfield spots for richmond. he’s hitting .302 with five doubles, five homers and 14 RBIs in 31 games for Richmond.

By proeye

July 4, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

This is a bad bad sign. How many great players do you know of who were this screwed up after 3 years in the majors? Unfortunately, this could be it. The pitchers have him figured out and he just isn’t the type of player that can make adjustments because he’s not Chipper Jones.

Frankly, I never like his swing in the first place. He never had any patience and it’s really difficult to hit like that unless you can hit a ball off your shoetops like Vladamir Guerrero, and Francoeur can’t do that. To top it off, everyone and his mother has tried to mess with his swing to get him to take more walks. Maybe that was the worst thing that could happen because it made him into a different player than what he was. He practically turned into a singles hitter because it took all the aggressiveness out of his swing.

Really, maybe the best thing for him was to swing for the fences. Maybe he’s simply trying everything he can to get on base when he should just let it rip. There are a lot of players who have been very successful by swinging as hard as possible - Mickie Mantle or Harmon Killebrew for example. Think they ever choked up? Think they ever tried for a single after two strikes?

I don’t know that this minors assignment is going to do him any good. It might but I doubt it. It’s possible that he never belonged in the majors in the first place. After all, he hardly played in the minor leagues.

I wish him the best of luck and hopefully he will be back as good as ever - if not better than before!

By prattvillenolzfan

July 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

My dear I would never try to hurt you…I was making a quote about “man-up” then remembered that in today’s PC society, I could get in trouble for that….So by not trying to offend you, I guess I did……

By Bob

July 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

It’s a good move. He needs to regain his confidence, which he should easily do while hitting against AA pitching. It’s a very short stint, if he’s coming back after the All Star break. Wonder if he regrets not having signed a long term contract now?

By panhandlebuzz

July 4, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

The honeymoon is over. He now knows it is strictly a business. If this stint in the minors works for him and he comes back up, when its time for a new contract, he owes the Braves nothing, no hometown discount.

By Shamus Thacker

July 4, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

I’m wondering if turning down the long-term deal was too much pressure. Was it Frenchy’s decision, or did his agent make the call? I’m betting Frenchy would have taken it, but the agent advised otherwise. Maybe that created an atmosphere [in Frenchy’s mind] that turned his slump into a nightmare.

By whynot

July 4, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

@Braveheart

So you give a link to an article where Hernandez isn’t mentioned, and then claim Strawberry fingered him. If you provide some actual proof that Strawberry said Hernandez plied him with cocaine I certainly might change my mind.

Everybody knows the mid-80’s Mets partied hard, but you’re delusional if you think Hernandez led Strawberry and Gooden astray. They were kids from poor, rough neighborhood’s who were seduced by all NY had to offer a young superstar. While it would have been nice if somebody would’ve held their hands and walked them down the garden path, blaming others for personal shortcomings is classless and weak. So while maybe you do that in your personal life, I doubt Strawberry and Gooden would lay the blame on Hernandez for their own problems.

And ‘read a book’? Get a grip man. You sound like somebody who reads all the latest sports book.

By jeanE

July 4, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

I think Francoeurs attitude about going down stinks, who does he think he is? He needs to look at the classy way Brett Myers of the Phillies handled it and grow up!! I know he’s trying but he’s not going to work his way out of this, that is obvious, so the Braves were forced to act. How can he be suprised by this? He must be living in the dream world, the golden boy has never struggled & he doesn’t know how to deal with it. I’d trade him but who’d want him now? He is not Brian McCann, his buddy, & he was silly to turn down that long term contract offer from the Braves. Grow up, Jeff!

By BravesFanInRockies

July 4, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

proeye,

I think Jeff was rushed to the majors in 2005 from sheer desperation. Remember that they opened the season with Brian Jordan and Raul Mondesi at the corners and called up KJ when that didn’t work.

JF caught some lightning in a bottle. He had the magnetic personality, and he delivered despite what looked like some bizarre fundamentals. And he could throw the ball through a wall.

Perhaps rushing him to the majors actually hurt his development. I (among others) hope he takes his time and gets things right. I’ve been a critic of his, yes, but recently more so of the front office for not having a Plan B in place when he struggled so mightily.

They really needed more OF depth at the ML level.

Force them to call you up soon, Frenchy!

By flange1

July 4, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

Carroll,

Thanks for the update.

Frankly, I am a bit put off by Frenchy’s comments and attitude.

This whole ” I don’t like how this was handled” sounds like sour grapes from a petulant child.

Sounds to me like what Keith Hernandez was talking about that caused Jose Reyes to get upset.

Frenchy is supposed to be a leadership guy not a cry baby.

Braveheart made a great post earlier about the record for the last 2 1/2 years and that it was time to take a hard look at the Atlanta Braves process.

I think outburst from Frenchy proves his point. With the core group of players the Braves have had the last 3 years, they are still playing under .500 baseball.

Maybe we are waiting for improvements to happen that never will.

Maybe we are overvaluing the players on the current 40 man roster.

WIth all of the payroll leaving and being freed up for 2009, maybe the Braves need to take a hard look at their “core” players and determine if they are the right pieces in the right spots for success in 2009.

I am not talking about a complete over haul of the team, just more moves that point a direction for the team.

After this “outburst” from Frenchy, I think the powers that be should not consider him untouchable.

If he can be included in a deal that will improve the club, so be it.

Frenchy, at the beginning of this, I was pulling for you to make it back quick and work out your problem.

Now, I really don’t care if you make it back or not.

Prove to us that are not Brad Komminsk or a John Rocker type of guy. Show us that you are better than a great potential guy that never could get over the hump or a semi talented guy with a big mouth.

It is time for you to grow up quick.

Remember YOU are the guy hitting .230 not the Braves management.

YOU are the reason you are going to the minors.

As soon as you accept that, the sooner you have a chance to come back strong.

By jason

July 4, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

Not to bash on Frenchy, but I don’t know if he can ever overcome this while playing with the Braves.Whether or not he is willing to demote and work hard an d come back; how do you as the “the Golden Boy” come back from an ego thrashing like this ? It’s amazing that how sometimes you have the #1 draft pick, and a mid rounder, and the #1 fails. I’m not saying jealousy or anything, but remember the picture of the state highschool championship of Frenchy sliding under McCan’s tag for the winning run ? McCan was an after thought. Will Frenchy now become the after thought ?

By SaltyDawg

July 4, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

I really would have liked to see them try giving him a few nights off before making a move of this magnitude, but at the same time I don’t think it is a terrible idea. This move will give Frenchy a chance to work on his swing in real game situations but without the pressure and attention of the Big Show. I have to say that I was really disappointed to see his comments on the situations, something like it has really soured his relationship with the club. That is B.S. I know this just happened and he is emotional, but Francoeur is for all intents and purposes the future Chipper Jones of the Braves. At least it seems that he is being groomed for that and (most) of the fans see him that way. It is very immature and selfish for him to go public with comments like that. It would show a lot more character and strength if he embraced this as an opportunity to improve himself. Does he really expect to continue starting and dragging the team down? I’m not saying he is the only one not living up to their potential right now, but he certainly isn’t helping the team. Grow up Frenchy. Go spend a little time in Mississippi, get this all out of your head, and get back to what got you here. The kid is a natural talent and guys like that tend to do worse when they start over analyzing themselves.

By tim

July 4, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Maybe this time in the minors he can learn the strike zone.

By Historian

July 4, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

The long history of the Braves hitters are that if your good with no problems, you can have a long career. If you have problems with your swing, patience, strike zone, etc., they have no clue how to help you.

Frency is in good company (being sent down), because Reggie Jackson went through the same experience at Oakland and we know how that turned out.

By jim

July 4, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

TP gets less love on this blog than anyone outside of Francouer and Cox, but is he really a terrible hitting coach? And exactly what is a major league hitting coach paid to do? For those who say he could not help the ‘07 Andruw, did he have any influence over the ‘05 Andruw when he set a franchise record for HR’s and almost singly-handed carried us into the playoffs? (How soon we forget THAT Andruw and only remember the ‘07 version! Andruw was the darling of this blog in ‘05, just as Chuck James was at the end of ‘06.)

There are 13 position players on the roster (counting Frenchy). Are all 12 others mired in a season long slump and do the have no plan when they come to bat? (Well Corky is another special case that no batting coach could probably do much with.) So that leaves 11 others. Does TP help with their preparation for a particular pitcher? Does TP make suggestions that help them avoid protracted slumps? Are any of the 11 others hitting below their career numbers?

The point I am making is that it is not the job of the batting coach to reconstruct the swing of a major league hitter. He should quickly note when a player is falling into bad habits and be able to show the player how his swing has changed from when he was going good, and help the player adjust to how he is now being pitched, but a player’s basic approach to hiting is developed long before he reaches this level. Unless we know how and when TP has helped or not helped our hitters to adjust to pitchers and to avoid long slumps, we really have no idea how competent a hitting coach he may or may not be. A hitting coach is an easy target when the lineup is not producing for any reason, and is often perceived by one spectacular failure or one quantifiable success.

By jeanE

July 4, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Also, chipper needs to open up a can of whup a— on this team, somebody needs to do it and Cox won’t!! I’d rather see a team of scrappy nobodies than this apathetic sorry bunch!! Where’s their fight? Tell ‘em, chipper!

By prattvillenolzfan

July 4, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Carroll

You pick a good day to come back (or DOB picks a bad day to take off…)

QUESTION

I heard that Diaz was going on a rehab assignment this week…Do you think that they would put Diaz and Franceour together..By having another Major league presence around Jeff, it might make the transition easier…..

By DP

July 4, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

I read Carroll’s updated story and don’t think it reflects well on either the Braves or Francouer. The Braves have already stated that he’s going to back on the big league roster after the All Star break, apparently no matter whether he shows any improvement in AA or not. And if he’s back up Cox will put him in right field every day.

And Francouer is whining that this has negatively impacted his relationship with the Braves. Apparently he believes he’s been worthy of all the marketing hype the Braves have given him. No mention from him that he has been killing his team all year. No mention that his batting stats have been below the norm of a productive corner outfielder since his first couple of months in the big leagues.

Francouer should be thanking the Braves, for hyping him to the point that his reputation is far greater than his ability or productivity, and for playing him every day for at least a year longer than he deserved.

I think the best outcome would be for Francouer to get somewhat straightened out in AA, have a decent start when he gets back to Atlanta, and for the Braves to find another team to dump him to for whatever they can get.

By Kerry

July 4, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

last night…runners on first and second with no outs and Frenchy never even considered going to the right side. I think this is as much about issues like that than actuall batting avg. numbers. Sounds like the old CF we had.

By bravesfan

July 4, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

“This has really put a damper on my relationship with the Atlanta Braves,” Francoeur told the AJC.

By Derrick

July 4, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

What a ungrateful, entitled punk! The Braves allow him to bring their season down and now Frenchy whines about the way it was handled? If he was in any other baseball town he would have been in AA last year, and he has the nerve to complain. Someone needs to tell Frenchy that he ain’t frickin’ Mickey Mantle. What has he done other than have one good season to think that anyone owes him anything?

And to 12:28, Frenchy at this rate will be begging Atlanta to sign him at this rate, so he doesn’t have to play for the Nationals. .234 hitters with under 700 OPS aren’t typically in heavy demand. If he wants to play in the majors then he needs to either perform or shut up and take the consequences.

By NCBravesFan

July 4, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Carroll Thanks for the story updates and quotes. It’s a little surprising that the Braves would not have communicated with him about this earlier - maybe they figured it would only add pressure to the situation.

Do you think he is more upset about the decision or the way he perceives it was handled?

By JDUB

July 4, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

He’s not happy about his demotion to the minors? Hell, we aren’t happy with losing and his a dismal peformance either. Do you think you can continue to suck and remain in the Big Leagues? Get rid of the ego, stop whining, and do your job.

By THB

July 4, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Efrim-In the last blog you said Schafer has only had a bad six games. I don’t know exactly how many bad games he’s had, but he has been extremely streaky since returning from the suspension. He’s had a lot of either 2 and 3 hit games or a bunch of 0-fors. But he has been solid since his return, overall. I wouldn’t count him out as one of our top 3 prospects. But some of our prospects have done very well this year. This is how I rank our prospects:

1. Jason Heyward - Could be the number 1 overall prospect by baseballamerica. My guess is he’s top 5, but not number 1.

2. Jordan Schafer - He’s still damn good. He’ll have a solid second half.

3. Tommy Hanson - He’s turned it up this year. He has more K than IP and an overall 2.81 ERA.

4. Gorkys Hernandez - He’s showed he can play, for sure. He’s hitting over .300 with a solid OBP and is starting to steal bases.

5. Fredddie Freeman - He’s been a great surprise. He and Heyward have been a great 1-2 punch (Actually 3-4, lol)

Some of the other good prospects we have are, in no order:

Julio Teheran (He will rise fast), Tyler Flowers, Jeff Locke, Cole Rohrbough (Hope he doesn’t have a serious injury), Deunte Heath, Kris Medlen, Cody Johnson.

My darkhorse: Erik Cordier

By JEB

July 4, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

Flange1

Totally agree with all of your comments on 12:37 blog!

I’m disappointed to read Jeff’s comments. TOO much pride! He showed that when refusing to sign a long term contract - thinking he was better than the money they were offering.

Not even thinking about how pitiful his stats were - this should not surprise him. He was playing every day - because we had no other options. The team was hurting and banking on too many AAA players already.

I can’t believe this soured him on the Braves! Bobby Cox & Co.. gave him MORE time, and opportunities to change and improve than ANY manager in basebal would have given him! He was hurting his team - and he is hurt by this move - he should have welcomed it!

This is a REAL hmbling time for Frenchy, it appears he REALLY - REALLY needs it!

By Marc

July 4, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Carroll,

Can you clean out your notebook with the “on the record” quotes Francoeur may have given?

By Clint

July 4, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Can’t say that I’m a big fan of Jeff’s remarks. He’s been given a month to produce and has driven in one more run than me over the last two weeks. If his attitude toward the Braves has changed, so be it. Jeff isn’t the second coming of Chipper Jones, Dale Murphy, or Henry Aaron. He looks more like a Ron Gant or Ryan Klesko type player, which is fine. But those guys got traded when better options were available.

By SaltyDawg

July 4, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Does this whole situation make anyone else wonder about Terry Pendelton’s proficiencies as hitting coach? I realize that the coach can’t bat for the guy, but this on the heels of Anduw’s prolonged struggles really makes me wonder if T.P. just isn’t that good of a teacher. Some guys can do and can’t teach. Maybe he is one of those guys. Also, I’m not sure this falls under the hitting coach’s domain, but nobody on the team seems to be able to get a good bunt down. Personally I always thought that Julio Franco would make a good hitting coach simply because he had a fantastic grasp of hitting fundamentals.

By FIRERICHT

July 4, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Great move by the Braves. His quotes about the Braves organization should get him traded. Frank Wren is doing a good job so far at Gm. Mr. Wren, show guys that they are not immune to getting traded. We need a good setup man, and I think another club would be willing to trade one straight up for Jeff. Also, Jeff wanted all that money before the year started. haha……you’re not going to get it now. Greed will get you NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!! Go McCann for signing like a champion dues with the team he loves. It’s not all about the Benjamins baby!

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

prattvillenolzfan—

Sorry, man. No hard feelings. I understand your thinking now. For a moment, I thought you were trying to imply that I could have been the one to think Francoeur took steroids. I know I’ve said some things against Francoeur in the past, but I would never think that of him. I appreciate your apology.

I have to say, I am with those who are slightly put-off by Francoeur’s remarks. I was really hoping this would help him. And I was starting to believe he had a good attitude about it, but now I’m not so sure. (Obviously, I still hope this helps. But I’m not so sure about the attitude.)

By DP

July 4, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

If Francouer doesn’t show improvement in AA and doesn’t demonstrate a serious attitude adjustment, I wonder if the Braves will consider releasing him rather than bringing him back up. Hopefully in a couple of days he will cool off, look in the mirror and hold himself accountable. If not, I say dump him.

Jeffy might be shocked to find out there’s not another big league team looking to put him in right field as an everyday player.

By NO MORE BOBBY

July 4, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

I had to post on this topic even though I swore to stay away. You people kill me! The past month you wanted Jeff killed from looking at your blogs on here but now you feel sorry for him, and now he is a great kid, he will be ok. If your going to be hardcore on here out of anger then dont turn all soft because you feel bad for the guy. He is a MLB player having a bad year so these things happen.

Honestly I think if he goes so should a lot of the other guys too!! Its not like we are tearing the cover off of the ball throughout the whole lineup. I sat behind home plate last night and noticed all of our batters look nervous when up and the Phillies looked confident and ready to clobber the ball (they did). You can tell there is a funk on the Braves team and so many of them look lost. Not just Jeff.

I did notice that Jeff hustled on ground balls and thats more than I can say for a lot of the other Braves. Blaming Jeff for this years problems is not fair to the guy. Yes he was part of the problem (a huge problem) but I dont have enough time to list everyone on the team that should get the same Francoeur treatment.

Fire the idiots in our marketing department also for making him the God of our team after only a few seasons!! That was a lot of hype to live up. Lets hold off on the gazillion jerseys printed up on that next “superstar” until we know if they are a star or not.

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

“This has really put a damper on my relationship with the Atlanta Braves,” Francoeur told the AJC.

OK, check that. I am VERY put-off!

By LT-AA Blogger

July 4, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

I’m a little surprised by Franceour’s comments. However, I think it reflects how much he is internalizing the entire situation. Hopefully, the break he gets will let him get a bit of perspective.

Franceour is not Komminsk. He has proven he can play at this level. I doubt he’s ever struggled this much in his life and it has to be extremely difficult to deal with.

Ever had a bad week at work (or bad year)? Imagine how much more difficult it would be if you were booed by thousands and mocked as a golden boy.

Best of luck to him getting this turned around and getting back in the line up.

By Marty

July 4, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

For those of you who are jumping on Jeff, shut your mouths and grow up. The guy is frustrated and heartbroken, and I would think that anyone could understand that — but no, there are those on this blog who think that Francoeur has committed a nearly unforgiveable sin by expressing his displeasure.

What exactly did he say that was so bad? That he was disappointed? That he doesn’t agree with the move? What’s wrong with any of that? Did you expect him to say, “Yes, I suck. I should never have been to the majors to begin with.” No, he’s a very competitive kid with a drive to succeed, and so he is understandably frustrated by this further setback.

This is not AT ALL comparable to John Rocker, who was a loudmouth from day one and made disparaging remarks about large ethnic groups. Jeff, after being beyond a model citizen for his entire minor-league and major-league career, voiced annoyance and frustration at being sent back to the minors after being in the majors for a solid 3 years. Where’s the comparison here?

Those of you who have been booing or otherwise insulting Jeff should be ashamed of yourselves. I hope that the next time you have a bad day at your job or whatever it is that you do, someone makes your life miserable because of it.

Let’s give him a few days or weeks to try and get his head in order. Jeff is a great guy and will pull through this. Jeff, just let your talent and your motivation guide you. You’ll be back in no time.

By SHA

July 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Right move. Should have happened sooner. The philosophy is that this is a team game. This is not about “me, me, me”. When a player is hurting/not helping the team, changes need to be made. The Braves have been extremely patient with him…moreso than with others in the past. I think Frenchy is still viewing this egotistically. Otherwise, he wouldn’t disagree with the move. It’s unbelieveable that he is so blinded that he can’t see he is unproductive for this team. How can he even think he has been helping? Pumping himself up in the offseason to increase his power was great, but you have to make good contact on good pitches to produce some positive results. Wish him the best in getting his head/outlook and his hitting straightened out.

By Del

July 4, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

I would guess that most of us have had to overcome adversity more than once in our lifetime. And I would guess that in the final analysis we all would say that we have become better for it. The first emotion is always one of disappointment, the important emotion is the final one, and hopefully that will be one of accomplishment and pride. Stay positive Jeff, you have a ton of supporters who have gone thru the same thing in life and have come out winners in the end.

See you soon!!

By Dras

July 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Speaks volumes for his big league batting coach doesn’t it.

If TP ia a batting coach, the woods must be full of them.

By Marty

July 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

NCBravesFan — All good points. If I tried to address all the idiocy I see on these blogs (e.g., the people who somehow remember Andruw hitting .150 for years, which, of course, never happened), I wouldn’t need a full-time job.

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

FIRERICHT Greed will get you NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!! Go McCann for signing like a champion dues with the team he loves.

AMEN!!

By brian

July 4, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

I am a little disappointed in Jeff’s reaction. Of course he himself will be devasted by this, but if he just said that while he is devasted to go back to the minors, he realizes he is in a horrendous slump and will do whatever it takes to get back on track and contribute to the team - if he just said something like that everyone would feel for him and cheer for him more. The boos and the bitterness towards Jeff would go away.

By NCBravesFan

July 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

LT-AA & Marty Well said at 1:06pm. Guy’s just frustrated in my view. All you laptop jockeys need to remember that you get to fail in private, not in front of thousands of fickle fans.

His comments are unfortunate, but I bet he’ll snap out of it soon enough.

By Marty

July 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

One more thing. Jeff appears to be going through, at the age of 24, something that most people go through as children — the realization that there are limits to his talent and limits to what he can accomplish. People with immense talent and ability, whether it be intellectual, physical, or otherwise, sometimes are able to make it pretty far along in life before hitting a wall and being forced to acknowledge that they have limitations. Smart kids hit that wall in college sometimes, or law school, medical school, etc. Most pro athletes hit that wall when they go pro.

Jeff is so immensely talented that he managed to make it all the way through the minor leagues and through 2 1/2 seasons in the pros before hitting a slump so bad that it made him question his ability. Sure, his sophomore season wasn’t so great, but it wasn’t awful, either; and, more importantly, Jeff still felt that he would work hard and improve his game.

Now, I fear that Jeff has started to lose faith in himself and in his ability, very likely for the first time in his life. That can be a harrowing and humbling experience for a person.

The good news is that Jeff is also fiercely determined, intelligent, and NOT overly full of himself. I think that he will come out of this better for the experience, both as a person and as a baseball player. I’ll be rooting for you, Jeff.

By Shamus Thacker

July 4, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

I said last night that Stenchy seems to be a genuinely good guy. I was wrong, he sux.

He’s now hovering at the unspoken magnitude, F-6.

By JEB

July 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Marty Go back and re-read Carrol’s added remarks (ALL of them) then you will understand the frustration with JF’s remarks.

By Scott from Fairburn

July 4, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

Carrol, I’m really, really disappointed in Jeff’s comments.

I understand not liking to be demoted … I understand being hurt about it …but to say that this move has really put a damper on “his relationship” with the Braves … I would prefer that he just punch Bobby in the mouth, rather than slap him in the face with a comment like this. Bobby and Frank Wren have done nothing but support this guy.

Perhaps in addition to working on his swing with the M-Braves, he can also work on pulling his head out of his a$$.

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

July 4, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Is this a joke Frenchy? You have an issue with this? This happens to ballplayers year in and year out. It happens to good ones and bad ones. I love watching this guy play. But I don’t like this new holier-than-thou attitude.

“This has really put a damper on my relationship with the Atlanta Braves,” Are you kidding me???? All of a sudden he’s above the entire organization. He’s putting his own selfish needs above the team’s needs.

I have loved the Braves since I was old enough to know what baseball was. I could never imagine Murphy saying something like this. But then again, this is a new age of softer players we are watching.

Just a short list of players sent to the minors this year for poor performance:

1) Dontrelle Willis 2) Brett Myers 3) Julian Tavarez 4) Francisco Liriano 5) Chris Duncan

Nobody is above being sent back down, no matter how much of an impact they’ve already made in this league at one point.

By jeff

July 4, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

I like Jeff but this should of been done alonggg time agoo.. hope he gets it together,but at the same time what a baby he is.. He turned down a big contract and now is whining about being sent down to The minors with the choice of where hes going.. Grow up Francouer.. and for the Hernandez/reyes thing haha. Jose Reyes is the biggest child/baby in the majors.. he acts like a baby in the dugout and on the field… slamming his glove and glasses into the dirt after he makes a lazy throw to first base. yes old man delgado should of caught it,but hernandez was completely right on.. someone with some balls in NY finally…

By rupert

July 4, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

don’t like his comments about this, but maybe this will light a fire under him, he just hasn’t been the same player for awhile, NO ONE IS GURANTEED A JOB IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES, this isn’t charity, he was losing confidence, getting booed, move had to be made, and cut the “they didn’t do it with aj s**” they were wrong in the way they handled that, doesn’t mean they have to be wrong again, aj played a lot better d than frenchy by the way

i really liked frenchy when he came up, loved the attitude, enthusiasm etc, looking back on it, the braves would of been better (and himself too) not to f*** with stuff so much, take a .260 30 100 season and naturally raise that avg by seeing more pitchers, not change your approach like last year, i think the fact he got some results (higher avg.) made him think he could change his apporach this year for more power, bottom line is i hope he gets motivated and becomes that guy from ‘05, i wish him the best

By Marty

July 4, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

JEB — I have read all of the remarks. They are the words of a guy who is frustrated and hurt. I guarantee you that Jeff is frustrated and angry with himself and puts the blame for his struggles on himself. People need to look past the words, for a change, and look at the person who says them — we all know that Jeff is not some overly prideful jerk, and these words don’t change that. Should he have said something different? Maybe. Is what he said so bad? No, not unless he holds a grudge. If that’s the case, then by all means, I’ll concede that it’s uncalled for. But until he shows me otherwise, I’m giving Jeff the benefit of the doubt and chalking those words up to frustration.

By JEB

July 4, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

SaltyDawg Agree with you that Julio Franco had a really good mind about hitting -but, Hitting Coach?? Did you ever see his stance and bat when he played?? Noone else could duplicate that!

TP can only give advise when asked for!!

He can’t make players listen, learn or anything else!! He was hard on Andruw Jones! ALWAYS!! AJ just would not transfer the info TP gave! He would not make adjustments. TP did help him in ‘05 & 06’ do we not remember that??

By the time players come to the pros - they have SO many habits and traits already worked into their swings - it takes ALOT of adjustments and time to change (if they ever change) very few are quick to make adjustments. Especially when you are placed in front of thousands of people watching and the game on the line - old habits come to the surface and the player reverts back to old habits and trained flaws they have played with.

TP has a good grasp of what it takes to hit - and how to be a team player! Whether or not the players listen to him - is not his fault.

You can be a great supervisor, parent, or boss - but, it is in the choice of each individual of whether to listen or not.

By old gold

July 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

This had to be done. Francour’s reaction will not go down as his finest moment but he is young. He will be grateful for this later. This team is on the ropes and needs radical change. Other moves should be considered such as fixing the bullpen. The starting pitching youth movement is the direction to head in. Lets sink or swim with them. After 30 days Frenchie will be back in Atlanta which is no time at all but seems forever when you’re young.

By Dustin Robinson

July 4, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Thank God he’s out of here for now.

Maybe I’ll get behind him again when actually stops swinging at every ball in the dirt or over his head.

By bronxbrave

July 4, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

It’s time for the Braves to deal. I suppose they are thinking that the draft picks they get when Teixeira walks will be of equal value to what they might get for him by trading him now, but I hope they don’t underestimate the market for someone like Tex at the deadline. The suddenly struggling-with-the-bats and loaded-with-prospects D’Backs would seem like an obvious place for him to go. What are we afraid of? That we’re not going to win without Tex? Well, guess what? We aren’t doing any winning with him.

I don’t mean that we should start selling off our team (a la the Marlins of old), but it seems like a no-brainer that we should try to get some value back for Teixeira now. I wouldn’t be surprised if we got better after he left (kind of like the Marlins got better after Cabrera left, and the Phillies got better when Thome left). Obviously, having someone like Ryan Howard stepping in didn’t hurt the Phils, but we have nothing to lose at this point.

My biggest concern is that Wren is going to go for broke with the team we have now because Cox will only be around for a couple of more years. We need to be looking at what’s best for this team long-term, and I don’t think keeping Tex for three more months is a luxury we can afford.

By Serge45

July 4, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Would somebody mind clarifying how long the Braves control Frenchy’s contract? DOB likes to talk about the arbitration-elligible years, but just how long is that in his case? I’m not terribly worried about it, but when’s the earliest he could sign a contract with another team?

By DP

July 4, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Grow up Marty. This is the 4th of July and I believe we still have the right to free speech in our country despite your belief that anybody who disagrees with you is obligated to shut up.

A little perspective on whether Francouer has proven himself as a big league ballplayer or not. I’m sure many here remember the one season disaster Reggie Sanders had with the Braves in 2000, one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Believe it or not, Francouer has been worse this year than Sanders was in 2000: Sanders in 2000 had a .302 OBP and a .705 OPS; this year Francouer is at .287 OBP and .662 OPS. And Sanders at least stole some bases back then.

Reggie Sanders has played for 7 teams in the last 9 years. His career OBP is .343 and his OPS is .830.

Austin Kearns is not good enough to play RF everyday for the Washington Nationals. In over 2500 career ABs he has an OBP of .355 and an OPS of .795.

Francouer, in 1884 career ABs, has an OBP of .313 and and OPS of .761. That is not an acceptable level of production for a starting corner outfielder in the major leagues. I’d love to see one other major league corner outfielder who has started for the last 3 full years with one team whose numbers are worse.

Forget Parkview High, this is the major leagues. A lot of Braves fans, inspired by the Braves marketing department, are trying to turn a marginal big league player into the second coming of Mickey Mantle.

By Supes

July 4, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Marty…Jeff is heartbroken I see. So are we!

Nobody that criticizes Jeff here on the blog wanted him to fail. We were all hoping he’d show some progress, so he wouldn’t have to be sent down but we saw nothing for a better part of a six week stretch. At what point do you just “man up” and go to the Management yourself and say, “I need some time, I need to work on my game somewhere I’m not hurting my team with my lack of production”.

If Jeff really loves this team and this organization, he would be the one to suggest to be sent down. It would have never came to this, management being forced to send him down due to the abismal display at the plate in 2008.

Jeff’s comments are nothing more than sour grapes, it’s like being asked to go on a “break” when you are dating a girl and she needs some space to figure things out, I guess Jeff has never been “put on notice” before?

So before you blindly come in here and “defend” Jeff at all cost, I would suggest becoming a part of the blog regularly instead of coming in here on such a day and acting like Jeff’s best friend.

I don’t know one Braves fan that wanted Jeff to fail. If they did, they are not Braves fans. However, patience has it’s limits in the big leagues. The Braves gave Jeff a very, very long leash and he should have repayed them in return and NOT made those comments.

By the professor

July 4, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

A lot of folks are ripping Jeff in this blog for saying “this put a damper on his relationship with the Braves.” Sounds like Jeff expected things to be handled differently. I guess it’s like being told that your office is now in Mississippi for the next month and you’ll have to sleep on the road, be away from your family. No all-star break vacation. I’m sure he knew he couldn’t stay in the lineup with his current performance, possibly be benched for a while or platooned. Maybe he expected the Braves to let him play a part in the decision. When you choose to be a professional athlete I think you have to learn to live with the glory, and dollars, as well as being treated like a piece of meat in the bad times.

By Ryno

July 4, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

The cocky/greedy frenchy finally got his coming. Back to the bus. The guy has been a straight up bust this year. Its not a slump when its basically the whole season. His approach is the worst I have ever seen at the plate. He acts like it is 0-2 when it is the first pitch of the at bat. Yet he hits with 0-2 count about 80% of his at bats so no wonder. I call him greedy and cocky because A. He turned down about 6 years and 35 mill at least twice now because he thought he was so good. That is gonna comeback and bite him big time. He is cocky because you could sense he had a sense of entitlement and no matter how he performed he was gonna stay in ATL because fans loved him and his jersey sold well to 12 year old girls. Well guess what Jeff if you don’t perform like you should you don’t get the same love. Hearing the boos finally come from the Turner Field seats had to be a wakeup call.He has the audacity to say this puts a damper on his relationship with the Braves. Hey jeff this is a business if you don’t perform you get the boot thats how it is, this isn’t your summer team from 8 years ago. I do hope he gets it back, the Braves really need him and he is in the long term picture for sure. However, this was definitely overdue.

By nelson

July 4, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

trade him to another team

By GT 81

July 4, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Happy Fourth!

Frenchy relies on natural ability. One gets the impression that Frenchy is blissfully unaware of the subtle aspects of the pitcher vs. hitter confrontation. He’s not a student of hitting, like the great hitters always are. If he’s in a slump, the answer is always the same: more aggression. Every pitcher loves to pitch against a guy using that strategy.

Shoot, it’s not even that complicated: just through it a foot off the plate and he’ll swing at it.

And what about all these coaches who are making millions? In golf, everyone has a swing coach to tweak things all the time. Why don’t baseball coaches do this?

The Braves should hire the hitting coach from Richmond. All those guys coming from there: Frenchy, McCann, Diaz, Escobar, KJ came up from AAA with sweet, short swings and good plate discipline, tough outs, With the Braves, for every one of them, except McCann, their swing degenerated into this long slow monstrosity, their head comes off the ball, and they are easy outs.

During the peak of the run, the mid 90’s, if the Braves were 2 down in the 7th you just thought, “OK, when’s it gonna happen?” and they would always make a move to make the game interesting. That was exciting baseball! Toward the end of the run, that kind of feeling that the Braves are never out of the game faded away, and it’s still like that today. It isn’t very easy to get a team clicking like that.

While they are at it, maybe the Braves can hire Frenchy a media coach too. When he says that this puts a damper on his relationship with the Atlanta Braves, he sounds like a whiny little baby. I like the kid, and I hope he turns it around.

Hey, maybe the Braves and Falcons need to retire number 7!

By KC

July 4, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Go easy on Francoeur: This has got to be very difficult to deal with on so many different levels.

As someone pointed out earlier, large-scale failure is something he’s never experienced, so he’s having to learn how to deal with that now.

And while NO ONE likes being sent down… it’s a little different for him. He was on the cover of SI. He signed a big endorsement deal a couple years back with Delta. His name is on the back of more Braves t-shirts these days than any other.

If you’ve ordered group tickets over the past couple years, they send you a Jeff Francoeur mousepad.

He was the emerging face of this organization.

It’s NOT the same thing for him to be sent down as it would be for Escobar, or even Brain McCann (if he were struggling to this degree).

The emotional toll of this has got to be enormous. He’s going to have to move past it and get back to the level he was at. But I wouldn’t be too hard on the guy for being angry. Logically, he probably doesn’t have any right to be angry… but it’s a scientific fact that logic and emotion are not tied to one another in the human mind.

The guy is going to be beside himself for a little while. Cut him some slack.

By the professor

July 4, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

One more thing to keep in mind fellow bloggers. At times the AJC has been known to take comments somewhat out of context. AJC: “Jeff how does this affect your relationship with the Braves organization?” Jeff: “Well, I guess it kind of puts a damper on it. No one is going to be happy about being sent down.”

AJC Editors Headline: Francoeur rips Braves on demotion.

By Dr. Phil

July 4, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

It is none of my business and probably the business of only a few but has any one considered what might be going on in “Frenchie’s” personal life that would affect his oerformance on the field?

By Marty

July 4, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

DP — No blog would be complete without someone crying “free speech” to cover up idiotic opinions. In this case, it seems that you’re protecting other people’s rights to idiotic opinions, as yours was a point well made — just not particularly relevant to the topic at hand.

I’m pretty sure that no one is disputing that Francoeur is having a terrible season. If your argument is that Reggie Sanders is a better player than Jeff Francoeur, then stop reading, go about your merry way, and we can agree to disagree — both about Jeff’s abilities and your intelligence.

Otherwise, please try to remember that Jeff is all of 24 years old. He’s got tremendous talent at an age where that still matters — i.e., he still has the opportunity to improve greatly and turn into a very productive major leaguer. Whether and when he will realize his full potential are questions that I don’t think any of us can answer at this stage in his career.

The problem is that people are ready to have Jeff taken out behind the barn and shot because (1) he is having a bad season, and (2) he had the audacity to be unhappy and frustrated about being sent down to the minors after being told by the Braves for 5 years that he is the prodigal son. My only real points were to give the guy a break and give it some time before pronouncing him Austin Kearns.

By bronxbrave

July 4, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

I always thought it was great that the Braves select local high school talent in the draft, and the success of Frenchy and McCann was really endearing and refreshing, particularly in this day and age, when the vast majority of teams have no regional identity. It makes it so much easier to pull for the Braves when they consistently put their faith in their own homegrown talent. Loyalty in this game is a rarity these days.

Having said that, I think the problems with Frenchy this year have been magnified by the fact that he is from the Atlanta area. Now, we could be facing the downside of our philosophy; i.e., what happens when the local talent struggles?

Frenchy’s comments in reaction to being sent down reflect a sense of entitlement that I’m sure we all have engendered in him. Maybe a dose of humility, of remembering from whence he came, will be good for him. I hope he realizes and goes public with some acceptance of responsibility. I want to hear him say, you know what, I’m disappointed to be sent down, but I can’t blame them for doing it, because I just haven’t produced, and I can’t expect them to keep trotting me out there when I’m underperforming.

I think something like that has to be the starting point for him (and for us).

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Okay, yeah, you’re right. Keith Hernandez was a model citizen. Never touched a drug after he left St. Louis. Can I have a puff of whatever you are smoking if you believe that?

By Marty

July 4, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

You idiots just don’t get it. You talk and talk and talk, all the while not knowing anything about which you speak. Anyone who had actually met the guy wouldn’t say the brutal things you all feel the need to say with no basis whatsoever.

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

i can understand what you guys are saying but keep in mind, jeff is going through the worst day of his professional baseball life and he’s doing it in his hometown. it’s like your boss busting in on your 20-year high school reunion and firing you in front of everybody (or something like that). his words are loaded with emotion. i don’t have any question that he will work as hard as always to get right. i just stuck a proverbial microphone in front of him on a day where he probably can’t see straight…and frankly, i’m grateful to know how he’s feeling and that he talked.

i wouldn’t expect him to be happy with the braves today…. the day i got sent from the AJC’s downtown office out to the gwinnett bureau a few years ago, i can guarantee i would have had nothing good or productive to say. and thankfully, my employers didn’t have to hear what was in my head….he’s showing you his humanity. give him some time.

and hey, now i’m back and blogging with you fine folks about this instead of about parkview football. things have a way of working out. (or gwinnett just keeps following me around, one or the other.)

oh and yes, Matt Diaz is on his way to Mississippi to start a rehab assignment too. I think the timing is just coincidental. it was jeff’s choice where he went - richmond or mississippi, so he could have just as easily gone to Richmond.

By jim

July 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately for Andruw, I think the scout’s comment that he was once a 5 tool player whose two best tools right now happen to be the knife and fork were a lot more indicative of his early decline as a player than any good or bad advice from his batting coach.

Let’s remember Andruw for his first 10 years in Atlanta, not just his last one. He was a flawed, but terrific player who gave us a lot of memories — most good, but some frustratingly bad. We can only wish that Jeff can become close to the player that Andruw was.

By bronxbrave

July 4, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

I’m tired of watching the Braves’ hitting philosophy, or lack thereof. Last night, with Cole freakin Hamels on the mound, we just went up there hacking away. How many pitches did he throw? Wasn’t it a ridiculously low number? When we go against a pitcher of that caliber, why are we not taking pitches, fighting them off, waiting for a pitch to hit? Why aren’t we working counts to get a pitch we are looking for, and getting their ace out of the game and into their pen?

I’d like to say that Pendleton is to blame, but I’m afraid that it goes beyond him to Bobby.

By Lifelong Hawks Fan

July 4, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Dr. Phil, if I’m screwing up at work, my boss would not really worry about what’s going on in my personal life and I make tons less at my job and work very hard.

By Lawrence

July 4, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

I would not want Jeff to be anything but dissappointed about being sent down.However Jeff has to be willing to admit that he is not helping the team right now.The slump has gotten into his head and is now affecting all facets of his game.Fielding lapses and wild over throws are showing up regularly in his games now.He needs to act like a professional ballplayer and do whatever it takes to get himself back to what he was.Taking a few pitches,working base on balls and knowledge of the strike zone are all qualties exhibited by good Major League hitters.Jeff has lacked patience in all these areas this year.So Let him be mad and maybe this wakeup call will inspire him to work hard to get back on track and show everyone he can still be a great ballplayer.

By Random

July 4, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Hmmmmm — Jeff Francoeur, the “Anti-Rollins”.

Gotta admit, I never would have expected the Phillies SS to out-class our RF.

Sad, sad day.

But he’ll get over it — WE’ll get over it.

Rash words in the heat of the moment?

By A-ville Ranger

July 4, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

I’m surprised by Jeff’s reaction,all the more reason to send him down.If he doesn’t have the makeup to deal with adversity I’d rather find out now than after he signed a long contract…….Dr Phil,Smoltz and Chipper both went through personal issues and remained professionals.If he does have personal problems(and I have no reason to think he does) and can’t manage them that could be a fatal character flaw career wise.

By dack jerrick

July 4, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Jeff is a popular player and from all reports a good guy. One of my friends referred to him as a “goofy kid”. Well, that may be a large part of the problem. He is not a kid anymore, he is a 24-year-old man and a major league baseball player. With this, like most things in life, comes priviledge and responsibilty. This latest exercise will, hopefully, cause him to mature in his outlook and attitude. We all surely hope so. Good luck, buddy.

By Fi

July 4, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

I can understand Francoeur’s frustration but honestly what was he expecting? It wasn’t getting any better for him and the crowd booing wasn’t helping any either. While I’m really disappointed in how he is handling this situation with his comments, I hope he straightens his stuff out in Mississippi and comes back strong. Trust me, we’re all rooting for you Jeff. I’m sure you’ll be back in a couple of weeks.

By jim

July 4, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

GT,

Of all the players that you mentioned in your post, only KJ spent any significant time in Richmond. Jeff, and Brian were promoted from AA, and Escobar had less than 1/2 season at Richmond and began to hit for average the year before in the Fall league. Diaz came to the Braves from another organization.

I don’t have HD, but on my TV screen both KJ and McCann still have a “short sweet stroke” and Diaz has been an effective hitter in the past DESPITE having one of the ugliest swings in baseball.

By Jeff321

July 4, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

I do wish the best for Frenchy. But, talking smack about getting demoted is a guaranteed trip out of Atlanta for good. He might be back this year but no way the Braves resign him.

I mean, what kind of example would that be? Talk smack and get rewarded? What about the perfect clubhouse? I’m still waiting on them to start giving out World Series rings for that. Oh wait, who cares about the clubhouse? How about the product on the field?

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Frenchy’s comments in reaction to being sent down reflect a sense of entitlement that I’m sure we all have engendered in him.

Bronxbrave, as a Braves fan and as a guy from the Bronx, you surely remember who hit the homer off Wohlers in 1996. Go read some articles from May 1991 about the extremely arrogant words uttered by that guy when he was demoted to the minors back then. It made him very unpopular at the time but that’s the kind of arrogance that caused him to take Wohlers deep five and a half years later.

By Chuck's

July 4, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Has anybody heard how long they’re talking about Frenchy being sent down or is until he figures his swing out? I wonder if he’ll be back this year? Where are ya’ll finding the quotes from Frenchy? Well, we can’t do any worse without him in the lineup.

By Chuck's

July 4, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Has anybody heard how long they’re talking about Frenchy being sent down or is until he figures his swing out? I wonder if he’ll be back this year? Where are ya’ll finding the quotes from Frenchy? Well, we can’t do any worse without him in the lineup.

By Supes

July 4, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Is Jeff angry now? Good, maybe he can take it out on AA pitching, work on his approach, mechanics, pitch recognition, situational hitting and come back and be the Jeff from 2007.

Marty way to make good in the blog with the “you idiots” type of referrence.

I guess unless we have met Jeff and became best buds, we aren’t allowed to comment on his comments?

KC, I’ll tell you what. Now that Jeff is gone, I’m focusing on who is here on the big league team. Better to focus on what you have than what you don’t have. Point taken. Jeff can work on his game in AA until after the All-Star break.

By KC

July 4, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

I’m with Carroll. Gotta give Jeff a little time and try to relate to the flood of emotion that’s got to be overwhelming him right now.

To be a little more frank… some of you need to get off your high horses. It’s human nature. Let’s see you get fired from your job tomorrow in front of everyone, and say “well… whatever’s best for the team. I understand.

By N8

July 4, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Carroll

“he was given the choice of richmond or mississippi and he chose mississippi because of wellman. “

Well that sure is good news. Best case scenario, he finds his stroke and returns to being a productive hitter.

Worst case, he doesn’t find it, but he gets a few pointers on how to make a complete azz of himself on youtube.

Keep in mind, I watch the Wellman clip about once every two months and laugh harder each time I do. So by saying he made a complete azz of himself (Wellman that is), I’m saying that with great respect.

By Ryno

July 4, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

KC, he didn’t get fired, he got temporarily reassigned. He is still getting his major league contract, it is guaranteed so the money is no different, just the location and the amount of people in the crowd. He acted like a spoiled brat. The Braves have been very loyal to him and he throws that in their face because he can’t be a man and say I wasn’t doing my job.

By Chop Chop

July 4, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Gotta give the Braves credit for starting the Fourth of July off with a bang, huh?

I keep seeing Andruw’s name come up in some of these blogs. I read some comments from Andruw the other day about his surgery, the time off, and his short rehab stint in Vegas. It seems if ol’ Andruw believes he needed the time off to get healthy and comfortable being in a new place. If a player is confident he needed that time away, he’ll often come back more relaxed and with a renewed passion for the game. In turn, that should lead to better production. I fully expect Andruw to be a good player in the second half for the Dodgers.

By Patrick

July 4, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Jeff needs to realize his reaction is very immature. He is still young and for the most part still progressing. Saying this damages his relationship with the Braves is just really stupid to say publicly. This will be the best for he and the Braves long term whether he signs long term or not.

By Bo

July 4, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Jeb, What you are saying is TP has a good grasp of what it takes to hit but he can’t relate it to his players. Therefore he’s not a good very good hitting coach. Good coaches can relate to players period.

Thanks Mr Wren for have the balls to do what Cox wouldn’t do. Now please have the balls to replace coaching staff, starting with Cox & TP.

God Bless America. Happy 4th of July.

If I was Josh Anderson I would ask for a trade from Braves. Management don’t intend to call him up for some reason. maybe not one of BC’s good ole boys?

By jb

July 4, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

What is going on with all you people?

Francoeur sure sounds like a a prima donna. Who knows if he is a good guy or not. All that matters is whether he is productive.

He has not been getting the job done. So he should be a man and accept the consequences.

Thousands of hard working Americans have lost jobs recently through no fault of their own. Feel sorry for them - not some overpaid man-child.

By Supes

July 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

KC

Jeff did NOT get fired. You know what getting fired would mean for Jeff? Released. Did the Braves release Jeff? No, he’s still getting paid, he is still a Brave.

Jeff was not fired. He was “demoted”, that’s it.

So please do not try and tell us Jeff got fired, we should feel sorry for him. He’ll still make more this year alone than we will in salary. Demoting him was done with intent to help him, not hurt him. Braves have too much invested in Jeff right now just to watch it all “fade away” up here in the big leagues.

By DAP01

July 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

After reading of his reaction, I think that he needs to work on his attitude as well as his swing.

He has live a charmed existance, he’s been given more slack than any other young player. He stinks right now and he DESERVES to be send dcwn.

Also, he needs to stay until he is straighted out, not just a couple of days.

By rotomeister

July 4, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Here is more amazing statistical proof that this is the right decision. This was posted by Mark Bowman at mlb.com. This demotion should be welcomed by Jeff F. As what follows indicates he is embarrassing himself. And by the way, Jeff has zero stolen bases. Even big Ryan Howard has 1…..

“Francoeur’s .662 OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage) also provides reason for concern. The only three National League outfielder with a worse mark are Houston’s Michael Bourn, Colorado’s Willy Taveras and Los Angeles’ Juan Pierre, who are all speed specialists with very little power.”

By cityofdecatur

July 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Good Luck Jeff work hard and come back soon!

By Greggo

July 4, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah my heart breaks, NOT. Overpaid men playing a game.

Call me when they outsource his job to India….

Poor baby, suck it up and get over it.

By jason

July 4, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

After what Frenchy said about the Braves, they should trade him immediately. What a total jerk. Is he really shocked by this ? If it was someone in any other profession and they had the kind of month Frenchy had in the last month, they would have been fired. Frenchy just needs to shut his mouth and go down to the minors and try to improve.

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

JB Thousands of hard working Americans have lost jobs recently through no fault of their own. Feel sorry for them - not some overpaid man-child.

Well said.

HAPPY FOURTH TO YOU ALL!!

By Rick Long

July 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Seems to me people need to chill a little bit about Francoeur’s reaction to his demotion. On the other hand, something needed to be done. When I saw him at the plate the other night with his feet close together and the bat literally on his shoulders, I thought who the #@* is this batting and wearing number 7.
In the long run, this is probably the best thing for Jeff to get away from the spotlight and all of the “hitting experts”, including a substantial number who have previously commented on this topic (batting in the big leagues sure is a lot easier sitting on a sofa or recliner in front of the TV, isn’t it?). Hopefully, hooking up with his former hitting coach and listening to only voice will be just what the doctor ordered. I also think that Chipper was on to something the other day when he said that he would like to see some of the enthusiasm Jeff showed earlier in his career—that he was really down on himself and probably would come out of it sooner if he didn’t take the game as seriously as he does. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is hard for me to be critical of a 24 year old kid whose biggest problem is that he cares and tries too much. I also agree with some of the comments from the other posters about Cox’s “style”, which is something which I have brought up in previous posts. Having been a Braves fan for over 45 years, I have never seen a more static and unimaginative manager that the “great” Bobby Cox. Seems like he never tries to put make things happen by putting pressure on the other team by doing such things as stealing or hitting an running. No, we just sit back in the dugout and wait for someone to get the key hit (preferably in his mind a 3 run homer) and lament after the game about the bad luck because of so many hard hit “at em” balls.
In my opinion, this lack of imagination puts even greater pressure both collectively on a team that is slumping offensively and also individually on certain players (such as Francoeur who laterly always seems to come up in key situations while in the midst of the worst slump of his career). Knock ‘em dead in Mississippi Jeff and hope to see you back real soon.

By mets fan in atlanta

July 4, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

When people get upset at Francouer’s reaction, others have said “he’s a young kid, his feelings are hurt, blah, blah, blah.” I want you to scan these paragraphs below about each of these players’ demotions, and see if you see a common thread between them. Then see if you see something different about Francouer’s demotion, namely the fact he is the only one that was stupid enough to comment about it. The rest all say or infer that the player was in agreement. Those of you who are “put off” by his statements should be. He has made a terrible example of what should have been, especially since there have been so many classy examples this season. BTW, I didn’t realize Chris Duncan mirrored Francouer as much as he does.

Liriano was sent to Triple-A Rochester (N.Y.) before Friday night’s game at Texas, and it was not a surprise. He gave up six runs and got only two outs on Thursday against Oakland, his latest failure to find the strike zone in a return from reconstructive elbow surgery.

“He knew he needed to improve. It wasn’t a shocker to him,” Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. “He saw where he was at and he knows he’s got work to do. Maybe he can clear his head, get after it down there and get back up here.”

July 2 (Bloomberg) — The Philadelphia Phillies demoted right-hander Brett Myers days after he gave up five runs in the shortest start of his career.

Myers, who’s given up a major league-high 24 home runs, agreed to be optioned to the Phillies Triple-A Lehigh Valley affiliate. Under Major League Baseball rules, Myers had the right to accept or decline the assignment based on his five-plus years of service.

I can't say enough about Brett's willingness to accept this assignment,'' Phillies General Manager Pat Gillick said in a news release.He understood and is eager to get back on track again. He is struggling right now, but he is a quality major-league pitcher who we are going to need in the second half of the season.

DETROIT - After watching yet another wild show on the mound, the Detroit Tigers sent Dontrelle Willis down to Class A on Tuesday in hopes the struggling lefty can find his control. The Tigers optioned Willis to Lakeland of the Florida State League — and home to the Tigers’ spring training camp — a day after he matched a career high by giving eight earned runs on five walks and three hits in 1 1-3 innings against Cleveland.

Willis (0-1) has walked 21 batters in 11 1-3 innings. The 8-2 loss to the Indians came in his second start since going on the disabled list with a hyperextended right knee.

“Our objective is to get Dontrelle back to being Dontrelle,” Tigers president, CEO and general manager Dave Dombrowski said. “We don’t want to put a time frame on this. We want to get it right. The arm strength is still there, on occasion. The breaking ball is still there. But we want to get him back to being comfortable throwing strikes.”

ST. LOUIS — The Cardinals addressed two problems with one move on Friday, allowing a torrid hitter to taste the big leagues while simultaneously allowing a scuffling player to play every day in hopes of getting sorted out. Outfielder Joe Mather, who had been abusing Pacific Coast League pitching, was recalled from Triple-A Memphis and inserted immediately into St. Louis’ lineup against the Pirates. Outfielder Chris Duncan, who has been searching for his power stroke for more than 10 months, was optioned to Memphis.

“We try to look at it in terms of what’s best for the organization, but also what’s best for the player,” said Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak. “And we just felt like that was the answer. I’m sure there are some people who will disagree, and will find some holes in it, but we thought it was the right thing to do. Time will tell.”

Duncan simply hasn’t been the same hitter since he first sustained a hernia around the midpoint of last season. From his Major League debut in 2005 through the end of July last year, Duncan hit .289 with a .574 slugging percentage and 43 home runs in 575 at-bats. Since then, he has hit .217, slugged .323 and hit five homers in 217 at-bats.

Mozeliak and manager Tony La Russa said they are convinced that Duncan has recovered fully from the injury, for which he had surgery last year. But it’s clear that his swing has not recovered. That, combined with a string of left-handed opposing starters in the coming days, added up to a move.

“I think it’s more a matter of just tweaking his stance and concentration and all that stuff — stuff that you need to play to fix,” La Russa said. “Because I watch him in the cage, and when it all clicks, the ball is doing all the good things.”

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

rotomeister And by the way, Jeff has zero stolen bases. Even big Ryan Howard has 1…..

Even Brian McCann has one!

By Bo

July 4, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

I read somewhere today that Braves would bring Jeff back up after All-Star game. Not much time to improve. What if he’s only hitting 200 in AA after all-star game does he still come back? If so its all a Joke.

By Chop Chop

July 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

rotomeister,

That .662 OPS stat is the sort of thing that gets players cut. Francoeur’s lucky he’s young and has done some good in the past. He may not be Mickey Mantle, but he’s certainly more of a power threat than Bourn, Taveras, and Pierre. Gotta get that crap straightened out pronto.

By KC

July 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Supes: I NEVER said that you should feel sorry for Jeff. lol… NEVER! That guy’s been pretty blessed.

No Jeff didn’t get fired, but being told “we’re taking your job away because you’re not cutting it” must feel very much like getting fired.

All I’m saying is that I’m sure the guy is experiencing a flood of emotions, and it’s a little pious to act as though he should be impervious to human nature in this instance.

Again, logically he probably doesn’t have a right to be upset… but emotion and logic are not connected in the brain. It’s just the way it is my man.

If we must make judgments about his attitude and his character, at least give him a little bit of time to cool off and get his mind right.

By N8

July 4, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Did some of you knocking the fans that are/were booing Jeff, ever think that the boos while coming after he made outs, were nothing more than a cry out to management to send him down for a while to get straightened out?

Or do you think booing the “lineup” when its put on the scoreboard is more appropriate.

I have been hard on Jeff lately, even went as far as referring to him as 643 for a bout a week. But if I were at a Braves game in person, I would not boo him. The guy is trying.

The booing should be at Bobby for not sitting him for an extended period of time or for Wren for not sending him down.

When I would recently make comments about Jeff needing to be out of the lineup, or sent to the minors, it wasn’t in malice to hurt Jeff’s feelings or tell him he sucks. It was so the TEAM could improve and have a reasonable shot at doing better.

Having said that, there very well might not be anybody that can do any better in the organization than him, but on the flip side, there aren’t too many that would be any worse right now, either.

Who knows? Maybe we catch lightning in a bottle with Perry until Diaz returns, or even a possible trade? Lest we forget that Francoeur himself, actually played BETTER at the big league level, than he did for AA in 2005.

Anything can happen. But if the change wasn’t made, NOTHING different would have happened.

It was the right time (maybe still too late).

The player himself, is responsible for poor play. But ultimately the manager and GM are responsible for running that struggling player out there day after day, and expecting a different result.

Kevin McGlinchy or Joey Devine anybody? For all the credit Cox gets for “putting guys in positions to succeed”, he sure has a recent track record of hanging guys that are REALLY struggling out to dry.

If Jeff doesn’t recover from this (I suspect he will), Bobby and Wren should be blamed for not doing this sooner, IMO.

Like another poster said the other day, Jeff is one of the cornerstones of the “future of the organization”, why not keep his best interests in mind? Letting the guy struggle to the point of the hometown fans (in a town he is from and grew up in as the “natural”), booin him, will hurt him more than being sent down to fix his swing.

I stated the other day, if Jeff is pizzed at the Braves for this move, than he clearly isn’t the player that I want to build the franchise around, as a fan. He should have volunteered to go down to Richmond to fix his swing out of respect for his teammates, IMO.

But I realize that finding an athlete in todays world that is willing to do that is way too far-fetched of a theory. So I won’t hold that against him. But if he goes down to Mississippi and pouts, its time to move on without him, if not just flat out move him.

I suspect, after the initial shock wears off, he’ll think clearly and realize it’s the best thing for him.

Here’s a good question though, IMO.

Let’s say Wellman DOES fix him, and quick. What the hell does that say about T.P??

Considering that the two best hitters on the team go to their dads for advice when struggling, I would have to think that would make T.P. look pretty bad, if it goes down that way.

By Drew

July 4, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry Jeff feels his relationship with the Braves has been tainted by his demotion. Well Jeff, AS a LONG TIME BRAVES FAN you have tainted your relationship with me and some fans with your uninspired play both in the field and at bat this year. I resepect my fellow fans for their devoted support of you. But I say: Good riddence BUM! You are lucky you werent released!! Thanks for help costing us the Division like AJ did last year!!!! Hopefully you will be traded to the Phillies!!!!!!!!

By Drew

July 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

after those comments about dampening the relationship with the braves or whatever, expect your boy Frenchy to be on the trading block immediately.

Nice job frenchy now that we know we can’t count on you, Scott Boras will be licking his chops knowing that the Braves will need another RBI machine, which mean Tex’s Braves value skyrockets.

Trade him for some pitching…bring up heyward

By andy

July 4, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

What a baby! He’s had it easy his whole life because he can play a sport. Now that he can hit anything, he whines about the business decision to get him help. He gets paid good money to throw, catch, and hit the baseball. If one of those skills goes, you better fix it - or start studying to sell insurance.

He could have said “yeah, I’ve been really struggling lately and I look forward to working it out in Mississippi and getting back to help the ball club as soon as I’m ready.”

By banshee29

July 4, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Jeff,

You hypocritical cry baby. I watched you in person at Beach’s funeral talk about how lucky you were to ever take the field, let alone play everyaday for America’s team. Now you complain. You were lucky that you were not cut loose altogether. Your hitting is atrocious right now, and most importantly, your defense has been slipping. Don’t think fans do not notice you jogging to balls hit in the corner. You can cry all you want about being sent down and why your buddy McCann landed a huge contract. Check the box score Frenchy. Hang tough or keep crying. “These are the times that try men’s souls.” Earn respect.

By innermind

July 4, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

He’s young and was not producing. Right move if you ask me. Look, I have a bat with his signature and a t-shirt with his name on it. So I am a fan of his, but he needs this time to work things out. If he holds this as a bad personal decision against the braves, well then he is a big baby and I don’t need him wearing the A anyway. Control your own fate jeff and best of luck.

By A real life nephew of my Uncle Sam

July 4, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Baseball, hotdogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet

The Braves stink, hotdog are loaded with insect parts and cholesterol, the apples have salmonella, and General Motors is about to go bankrupt.

Happy 4th of July everybody!!!!

By Francoeurphile

July 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

I just ate my first bag of potato chips since Jeff was sent down. Now that he isn’t here, things have changed. The potato chips don’t taste the same. In fact, they have no taste. I’m numb.

What will we do without Jeff?

By Halberstram

July 4, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

Everyone needs to calm down on Jeff’s reaction. I’m sure it was in the heat of the moment. We all know he deserved to be sent down, but I’m sure it was still a shock to him. It’s been a tough year, maybe things will start to go up.

I just hope the execs realize this team doesn’t have it and looks toward next year. No reason to acquire anyone with a .500 team. Lets see if we can move towards the future with any expendable parts.

By Francoeurphile

July 4, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Jeff - I know you’re reading this.

We love you big guy. We love you more than life itself. You are the chosen one. The baseball messiah. We worship and adore you. Our faith is in you. I’m wearing my #7 jersey and holding my Jeff Francoeur bat. I have lit candles on the altar I have constructed in your honor. I gaze at your picture and your rookie card. Bless us Jeff. Forgive them for what they have done to you.

By TNJeff

July 4, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

I felt bad for him until I read his crybaby response to the demotion. Actually thought he might have requested the move since his bat & defense were killing the team.

Are there any good guys out there left?

Trade the baby to Seattle or Toronto and let him play/live far from his home since his attitude about the Braves has been “dampened”.

By Chop Chop

July 4, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Bo,

I am fairly certain the Braves are saying they’ll bring him up at some point after the All-Star break. In other words, he won’t be coming back up to the big club in the next few series. It’s not a quick two or three-game demotion. They’re expecting this to take a while.

By bravlady

July 4, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Jeff already messed up by commenting on his soured relationship with the Braves to AJC. He’ll be gone as soon as they can find a pitcher to make the trade. It was time for Jeff to go. I wasn’t seeing any improvement and his defense was becoming just as lack luster. Looking like a beat puppy after ever bat meant he’d given up. When McCann and Chipper have batting problems, they get help from their personal trainers…the Dads. Pendleton is no help to anyone and that’s the reason the better players go elsewhere for help. Time for a major shake-up in the ranks.

By Reality Check

July 4, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Jeff needs a reality check. He should of been benched or sent to the minors some time ago. He can’t hit a bull in the butt with a bass fiddle and will swing at anything. He needs to shut his mouth and realize he ain’t that good. If he wasn’t a local he would have been benched or sent to the minors many games ago. Reality is that he ain’t the next Mickey Mantle and he needs to grow up, get better or stay in the minors

By TNJeff

July 4, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

compare Frenchy’s reaction to Chuck James’ reaction. He has lost more than just his baseball skills. what an unapapreciative jerk.

By Francoeurphile

July 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Reality is that he ain’t the next Mickey Mantle

Heresy! Heresy!

Jeff is Mickey Mantle as played by Brad Pitt, as written by F. Scott Fitzgerald, and directed by John Ford.

By Paul Lentz

July 4, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Bottom line, he wasnt producing. I would love to see Franceour become a star, however first and foremost, I’m an Atlanta Braves fan. I want to see the Braves give themselves the best chance to win that they can. Franceour in the lineup right now does not help the Braves.

For him to say that he doesnt agree with the decision, or for him to say that this does not help his relationship with the organization…..my response is “your hitting and performance did not help your relationship with me, THE FAN”. The fans ultimately pay your salary. You are a performer whose job is to entertain the fan. However the fans arent happy with your performance. RIght now, you arent worthy of wearing a major league uniform…not because you are a bad guy, but because of your performance on the field.

Quit being so thin skinned. Suck it up, go down and starting hitting, and then you’ll find your way back up to the majors soon. It isnt like the Braves dont need your bat. However it is a productive bat, not the automatic out, rally killer that you’ve become.

By jed

July 4, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

wow…i’m stunned by francouer’s comments. disgusted, actually. what exactly does he think the braves should have done? let him stay in atlanta and go 3 for his next 100? how about some concern for your team, jeff? i fear i see where his priorities lie.

but i guess KC is right. it’s important not to judge rash comments. give him a chance to calm down.

but here’s the thing: this subject’s been out there for a while now. the fact that JF wasnt advised by his agent and his dad to accept the demotion without popping off indicates to me that this problem runs deep. it indicates those advising JF are just as wrong-headedly arrogant as JF himself.

who knows? (his teammates and management, for certain. DOB and carroll, most likely.) so….

i think the real question for the writers at AJC to try and explain right now is this: who is jeff francouer? a struggling young superstar with character to build a franchise around? or an arrogant spoiled ‘golden boy’ who needs to be shipped out asap?

By Francoeurphile

July 4, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

It’s the Atlanta fans and Braves’ management who are the unappreciative jerks.

Francoeur is a gem. A true star. He is special beyond belief.

Don’t you people understand how lucky you are to have seen him play?

By Terry Pendleton

July 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Jeff wraps his bat.

Hence he’s either 1/10 of a second or 7/10 of a second off every time.

Hence he’s batting .110 with the bases loaded.

See? I can coach.

By Pete

July 4, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

As you can see my Jeff’s comments about being sent down, he is all about himself. For those trying to compare Jeff to AJ get a clue. AJ is one of the best defensive CF ever. While according to Bill James one of the best writers and stat mean ever in baseball has Jeff as getting to 7 FEWER balls than the avg. rightfielder. As you could tell when Francouer came up with a man on second, he NEVER attempted to move the runner over to third, he would either ground out to the leftside or fly out to leftfield. He is as selfess as they come. For those blaming TP for Jeff’s misfortunes and Andrew’s last year. What has Andrew done this year? If you re going to blame him for those 2, give him credit for CHipper, Escobar and McCann. You can also tell how selfess he was when he turned down the exact same deal they gave to McCann. Hopefully he will sign with someone like Philly, the Mets or the Yankees and realize how easy going the Atlanta fans and media are. I also cannot believe some are blaming Bobby for this, saying “all the pressure is on the hitter”, it sure works for Escobar, CHipper, McCann and Mark. If Jeff cannot handle that presse how the heck could he handle New York, Boston or Philly?

By Pete

July 4, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

As you can see my Jeff’s comments about being sent down, he is all about himself. For those trying to compare Jeff to AJ get a clue. AJ is one of the best defensive CF ever. While according to Bill James one of the best writers and stat mean ever in baseball has Jeff as getting to 7 FEWER balls than the avg. rightfielder. As you could tell when Francouer came up with a man on second, he NEVER attempted to move the runner over to third, he would either ground out to the leftside or fly out to leftfield. He is as selfess as they come. For those blaming TP for Jeff’s misfortunes and Andrew’s last year. What has Andrew done this year? If you re going to blame him for those 2, give him credit for CHipper, Escobar and McCann. You can also tell how selfess he was when he turned down the exact same deal they gave to McCann. Hopefully he will sign with someone like Philly, the Mets or the Yankees and realize how easy going the Atlanta fans and media are. I also cannot believe some are blaming Bobby for this, saying “all the pressure is on the hitter”, it sure works for Escobar, CHipper, McCann and Mark. If Jeff cannot handle that pressure how the heck could he handle New York, Boston or Philly?

By steve

July 4, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

He should have been sent down a week ago and he needs to get his balance and swing changed so he can be successful; he should not be complaining as he was given a lot more chances to straighten this out then he should have because of who he is (a local talent). The Braves should also not make any promises about when he could be back in Atlanta as he has a lot of work to do before that should ever happen.

By Shamus Thacker

July 4, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Why does Frenchy feel entitled to be on the big club after the way he’s played? He didn’t do it alone, but he’s contributed more to our offensive woes than anyone, even Hex. TEAM and WINS mean nothing when it comes to Stenchy’s pride. He’s got the old entitlement syndrome; I’ll bet he’s the type guy who tells a cop he’s an Atlanta Brave before the window is completely down. Wish there was a team at the Arctic Circle that needed a right fielder and first baseman. I’d like to see Stenchy scale a three-foot fence in snow shoes. Oh, that’s right, he can’t do it on a 75-degree day, in Jordans….

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

but the real question i have is …..did any bloggers run the peachtree? or are we more the couch potato type?….sorry, just trying to break it up for a second. and i am curious.

By typical sports brat

July 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Poor Jeffy, If I don’t perform on my job, I don’t get sent to the minors, I get termed!! And then when I rip my employers on a public soap box, I’ll more than likely be fought when I file for unemployment.

What a typical sports prima donna!!!!!

By DCbrave

July 4, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

N8 - He should have volunteered to go down to Richmond to fix his swing out of respect for his teammates, IMO. But I realize that finding an athlete in todays world that is willing to do that is way too far-fetched of a theory

I thought Chucky James sort of volunteered, after that bad game with the Rockies (?) to go to the minor to get his pitching straightened out. Not many would volunteer, but Jeff should’ve at least appreciated that the Braves already gave him this much time (not many clubs would, especially not the Nationals) at the expense of the big league club to correct himself. If he does not take this opportunity well and get back stronger and better (I suspect he will), then I would definitely not try to sign him long term. Any big leagues - minor leagues as well for that matter - go into slumps from time to time (even Chipper did many times before and he said well - this game will humble you), what is more important is whether he can come back quicker and stronger.

By TNJeff

July 4, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Now Mississippi will get to see his inspired strike outs & bases loaded double-play grounders. Oh yeah, and his jogging to get gappers in the outfield and bobbling balls & one hopping throws intended for third base at second base.

By bulldog

July 4, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Fire terry pendleton now!!!

By prattvillenolzfan

July 4, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

i think the real question for the writers at AJC to try and explain right now is this: who is jeff francouer? a struggling young superstar with character to build a franchise around? or an arrogant spoiled ‘golden boy’ who needs to be shipped out asap?

I think that this is the question the Braves front office will be looking at the next couple of weeks as well. If Jeff learns/adjusts, then everything will be fine, but if he continues to pout, then he’ll be gone ASAP.

By Lydia

July 4, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

I have no problem with JF or the Braves in general. I DO have a problem with these overhyped pretty boys failure to recognize that you are being paid to play a game, play it well and to realize that this is a business. Mr. F would also be well served to refrain from insulting his employer and the folks who pay for his lifestyle (I seem to remember one David Justice). Perhaps a little time away will help his swing once he learns how to play with the huge chip he seems to carry on his shoulder. This just proves that money can’t buy class. He made the fatal error or believing all the hype written about him. I sincerely hope he settles down and comes back to the A better than ever. Best of luck to him.

By TennesseePaul

July 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Wow. Did not expect to see this on the AJC when I got up today. It’s probably the right move, but also probably too late when concerning this teams position and hopes for the post season.

As for Francoeur, he has a big ego and I think it’s obvious. One could say his ego’s writing check his body can’t cash. His best bud is a 3 time all star with a 6 year 26 million dollar deal that Francoeur turned down at the behest of his agent. Fletcher must have thought Francoeur was the next A-Rod… all it did was leave him with more pressure and no guaranteed long term deal. This has to kill them in arbitration this year. The numbers were bad enough but now a trip to the minors… that can’t help at the bargaining table.
I’d love for him to figure it out down there and come back and love the Braves more for it all, but it seems like a slim chance. Now that this has happened I won’t be surprised if he rides out arbitration years and bolts as a free agent. Craziness.
All that assuming, of course, he’s able to make it back. He could be toast. I know, I’ve read DOB, Payne and even my own posts as well as the others… he is young. Teams just don’t give up on 24 year old face of the franchise players… unless they stink… think Sean Burroughs… face of the Padres. The number one guy. The guy they were going to build a team around. The guy they traded at 24 after he kept getting worse. The guy that was demoted to the minors and has now dropped out of the scene. I hope Francoeur doesn’t take that route, but it isn’t unprecedented.

Player Age   G  AB XBH BB  SO  AVG  OBP  SLG
Jeff    21  70 257  35 11  58 .300 .336 .549
Sean    21  63 192   6 12  30 .271 .317 .323

Jeff    22 162 651  54 23 132 .260 .293 .449
Sean    22 146 517  40 44  75 .286 .352 .402

Jeff    23 162 642  59 42 129 .293 .338 .444
Sean    23 130 523  25 31  52 .298 .248 .365

Jeff    24  85 334  29 20  62 .234 .287 .374
Sean    24  93 284  10 24  41 .250 .318 .299

Good luck Francoeur. Make the best of it! Nothing is over, just a temporary detour…

By Lou Vales

July 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

You know I was just thinking with General Motors and Chrysler about to go belly up that Tom Glavine could utilize his skilled union organizing activities and maybe get the UAW to go out on a strike and pound the final nail in the coffin.

Tom, you always seemed more interested in union activities than playing baseball so maybe you could even teach a class at Penn’s Wharton School of Business. I’m sure you could attract scholars from around the country who would listen to you expound on how independent contractors are actually entitled to the same rights as those working on an assembly line. Maybe you could also elucidate those feelings about Major League baseball players actually being SLAVES. It will be interesting as economy continues to spiral downward, more people lose jobs, savings deteriorate, gas rises IF people are going to continue to worry about some clown’s ability to throw a tight slider???

By A-ville Ranger

July 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

There’s a bit of revisionist history going on in regards to Jeff’s time in Atl.It’s true he started out gangbusters but his OBP was barely above where he is now in 06.One of the ESPN guys said he had ”perhaps the emptiest 100 rbi season ever.Last season he made big strides in OBP and OPS.It’s more than hitting that’s crashed this year,his defensive range is way down,his arm has gone from being laser guided to being a scudd at best.He had 19 outfield assit last seaon,he has 5 so far this year.Anybody who’s watched him knows he has little control of his throws now.Add to all this the fact he hasn’t stolen a single base and you’ve got collapse in every area of his game.

By Lew

July 4, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Flange-Only problem is that Frenchy will not bring much in trade until he gets his excrement back together in the batter’s box. Considering that he’s still relatively cheap for three more years (so much for a $10 mil arbitration ruling after THIS performance), and if he DOES get it together in Rome, why would you trade him?

Pete-You’re worried about Frenchy not moving runners up when it’s all he can do to put the ball in play other than to short? Dude, he needs to go back to basics before you have him exhibiting the finer points. He’s got to re -learn how to walk first before he runs.

As far as signing with another team, he’s under the Braves’ control for the next three years. He can’t do anything unless we trade him until 2011, when he can file for free agency. Unlike Andruw, who was making almost 12 mil when he was stinking it up, Frenchy’s done it on the cheap.

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 4, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

YO PROEYE

Your comments are a joke. Just like your name. To even suggest that Mickey Mantle did not have the discipline to shorten up on a 2-strike count or that he just wouldn’t do it is just ridiculous. And to say that Jeff should just swing away and everything will be alright is proof that you don’t have a “Pro Eye”. Your just stupid.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

but here’s the thing: this subject’s been out there for a while now. the fact that JF wasnt advised by his agent and his dad to accept the demotion without popping off indicates to me that this problem runs deep. it indicates those advising JF are just as wrong-headedly arrogant as JF himself.

That’s not true. Carroll’s first story had his people saying that they advised him to not answer the phone today. He made the mistake of answering when Carroll called.

Do any of us really want to know what Yunel Escobar thought about the Braves while in Mississippi in 2006? Or what Brandon Jones and Brent Lillibridge have been thinking about the Braves while in Richmond this year? Or what Josh Anderson is thinking about the Braves right now after they called up this Perry fella instead of Anderson? Or what Chuck James is thinking about the Braves right now? Or what Stockman is thinking about the Braves right now? No, something tells me that we really don’t want to know what they are thinking.

Fortunately, for Escobar, Jones, Lillibridge, Anderson, James, and Stockman, no one outside of their friends and family give two sh!ts about what they’re thinking, so no one bothers to ask them. If they did, something tells me most of you wouldn’t like them either.

Unfortunately, for Frenchy, people do care what he is thinking, reporters are gonna call him for his thoughts, and he has to take the phone call.

He let Carroll and all of those people say all those great things about him in print and on the radio and on the television when he was flying high.

So it wouldn’t have been right not to answer the phone when he got sent down. He manned up, ignored his agent, and answered the phone. Unfortunately, he hasn’t manned up enough to look deeply at the mirror and accept the consequences of his own poor performance.

By cursive

July 4, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

It was time. I’m sorry that it hurt his feelings, but the Braves have been hurting a lot of people’s feelings lately with their complete absence of motivation and fire. Frenchy was one of the big problems. It was time, and if this has any impact on his career and where he will play next (be it the Braves or whoever) then he should be thankful. He’s been in free fall.

By rupert

July 4, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

from mississippi thy came, and to mississippi thy shall return

By BeachGaBulldog

July 4, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

I have been a huge fan of Jeff from Day 1. Unlike a lot of other people, I am behind him, good or bad. Although Jeff is hurt by this move, it will help him to get his stroke back. However, I am disappointed in his reaction to this. Hell, Dontrelle Willis was sent down by the Tigers to work on his game. For him to say it “damages his relationship with the Braves” isn’t very smart. Take it like a man. I have been reading how some people are saying that Andruw Jones was never sent down. I AM JUST GLAD THAT “Mr. Strikeout” ISN’T ON THE BRAVES ANYMORE. I was never a fan of him, and hated his smirk. He was fat, too stubborn to try to hit the ball to the opposite field, and a huge liability. I got so sick of hearing about his Gold Gloves. Big deal. I TOTALLY agree with Jayson Stark that Andruw is the “MOST OVERRATED CENTER FIELDER OF ALL TIME. You can’t compare Andruw and Jeff. Jeff works his a* off, as opposed to Fatboy whose a* just grew bigger. Good luck Jeff! Just do the best that you can. You will be back before you know it.

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 4, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

HEY CARROLL

Yeah, Yeah, I ran the P’tree, yeah that’s the ticket. And I finished seventy fif… thirty fou….. fifte… Uhh FIRST PLACE !!!! YEAH , that’s the ticket. And I set a new personal….. Americ…. WORLD RECORD !!!! YEAH, that’s right. And I ‘ll be on the cover of the AJC …… uhh …..SPORTS ILLUSTRATED !!! YEAH, that’s the ticket!! And I run under my alias Meregu Terefe !!! Yeah, Yeah … that way I can avoid all of my craz… obsess… DEVOTED FANS !!!!

YEAH YEAH , THAT’S THE TICKET!!!

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

I believe it would be a mistake to fire Pendleton. I mean seriously, is it that some of you people just want lash out and punish somebody, is that it?

The Braves are 3rd in Battling Average, 3rd OBP, 4th most BB’s, 5th least Strikeouts!

So they are hitting the ball and getting on base. But you want to fire the hitting coach?

What hitting coach do you believe is going to do better? Or make the players more clutch?

All of you who want to fire Pendleton aren’t saying who would replace him and how he would do better.

This isn’t a tv show. They don’t fire people for entertainment value.

Firing Pendleton would be a knee-jerk in my opinion.

By Ray

July 4, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Great move by the Braves…JF has been an anchor on this squad all year and something had to give….only problem is they waited until they are nearly out of contention until they did something. For those who think the fans in Atlanta are too harsh, give me a break. Try going to New York or Phili for a while….JF would have been run out of town long ago. It’s about time the team and fans hold these guys accountable for the millions they make.

By JD

July 4, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Yep, I ran the Peachtree. 41:12 but I was gassed at the finish. I much preferred going downhill on the 10th than up at Juniper.

And the Braves made the right call on Frenchy. Everyone hopes he gets better, but hope isn’t a strategy. At some point, performance dictates decisions. I think his performance warranted the demotion and his unwillingness to change his approach at the plate reflects his own immaturity. Learn the strikezone and the rest will follow.

By Dr. Feelgood

July 4, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Carroll

Switchin’ between Wimbledon and the golf tournament.

And that’s couch tater.

By TNJeff

July 4, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Hey Braveheart

We know what Chuck James was thinking about his demotion - he called for it when he said he needed to learn how to pitch again - he knew he was stinking up the place.

Still like James - good guy

Frenchy - selfish jerk / typical MLB player

By Panther

July 4, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

LILBURN CRIES BUT NEVER DIES! LILBURN 4EVER!

By Fire the headline writer

July 4, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

The headline should read:

Frenchy demoted, feeling a lil’ burn-t

By Bobby's Cox

July 4, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

When I finally heard the news on my blackberry today, i was finally relieved.

Wanting this move to happen more than anyone in the past month, I quickly began pulling for Jeff. I found my emotions in support of him, hoping he learns a thing or 2 about the game, his swing, his approach at the plate.

Then I read the quotes.

This has really put a damper on my relationship with the Atlanta Braves

I love playing for the city, I love playing for the fans and always have, but I’m disappointed with the decision and how the whole process went down

I do not agree with this, but I have to do what I have to do

Jeff Francoeur has a lot of growing up to do. In a city that continually supports Jeff because he’s the hometown kid, Jeff sounds like he’d be quick to turn his back on the team and the city if he doesn’t get what he wants.

Maybe he said what he said out of frustration, needed time to cool off before being approached by the media, is embarrassed, whatever, but with the rejection of the braves offer last year, with wanting to stay in the lineup and on the team while knowing he needs to figure things out with his mechanics, Jeff has shown me nothing as a fan to say he’s a team guy. The reality is, Jeff had more than ample time to figure things out on the Major League squad, being benched only once this year.

If I were Jeff, I’d quickly realize the team comes first and figure out what I can do to help my struggling team win. Jeff needs to understand that the team needs him to perform, and they need him on the team for marketing purposes with a whole city behind him.

With all the ranting about Hampton and his money-rich lucrative contract and our views of him being money minded, well…that’s how I’m viewing Jeff Francoer right now. Grow up Jeff, take this like a man, and be supportive of your Hometown Braves.

This is Ridiculous

Grow up.

Go Braves.

By republicanBravesfan

July 4, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

Every time Jeff comes up and I hear those lyrics “these are my people, this is where I come from” it makes me cringe. Jeff is from Atlanta and that’s great, but Welcome to the Bigs man. You’ve got to produce.

By republicanBravesfan

July 4, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Every time Jeff comes up and I hear those lyrics “these are my people, this is where I come from” it makes me cringe. Jeff is from Atlanta and that’s great, but Welcome to the Bigs man. You’ve got to produce.

By David

July 4, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Jeff needs to grow up and stop crying and take this like a man. He did this to his self not the Braves. He’s not in high school and the treacher’s pet any longer. Do your damm job and get better or hit the road. We’ve had too much of the players not producing already. THIS IS THE MAJORS!!! P.S. If Tex doesn’t want to resign here ship him out too while we can get something in return!

By DP

July 4, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

The Braves are “nearly” out of contention? That’s what I’d call an optimist. 3/5 of what was supposed to be their opening day starting rotation appears to be done for the year, they have a minor league outfield and a backup catcher hitting .100, have gotten pounded 6 straight at home by the division leaders. Not to mention that they’ve been a sub .500 team for 2 1/2 years now.

Carroll, I ran the Peachtree a few times in the early 90’s and enjoyed the race but didn’t enjoy getting to and from it or being packed in like a sardine in oppressive humidity most years waiting a half hour or more for the start. And that was when the race was 25-30,000 runners; I’m sure the wait at the start is much worse now. My idea of exercise now is walking 18 holes of golf and carrying my clubs.

On another Braves subject, I hope they will be careful with Jurjjens and Reyes. Jurjjens is up to 112 innings. I recall reading a story or two on ESPN.com a while back that documented how many young pitchers who throw more than 20 innings over their previous peak have broken down the following year. Has there been any talk of having Jurjjens and/or Reyes occasionally skip a start in the second half? This team isn’t going anywhere, no point in risking the health of the young pitchers. If the Braves are hopelessly out of it by September as I expect I hope they’ll shut Jurjjens down for the year.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

We know what Chuck James was thinking about his demotion - he called for it when he said he needed to learn how to pitch again - he knew he was stinking up the place.

Haven’t seen Chuck back yet either, have you? From all appearances, they’re not considering it either and no one is banging down their door to get him. No one respects a quitter. Chuck sounded like a defeated quitter in those quotes.

Chuck should have said screw you, I ain’t right now but my ERA the last three years is still lower than Tom Glavine’s ERA the last two years, lower than JoJo Reyes’ ERA the last two years, lower than Charlie Morton’s ERA, when my shoulder gets right, I’d better be back before those scrubs.

Instead, Chuck whimpered like a poodle. Frenchy barked back. I’ll always go with the dog that barks back.

By Jeff321

July 4, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

I would like to know how much “authority” Terry Pendleton and Roger McDowell actually possess. Is it more or less than the average major league teams coaches?

By Robin

July 4, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Ya know Jeff (if you’re reading this), after reading your comments on this move, I feel the need to retract my earlier entry. You’re a 24 y.o. kid after all it seems. Wake up son, you’re suckin’, it’s pretty simple really. Perhaps I mistook you for someone who actually gave a sh!t …..maybe, I dunno. Stick that ego in your back-pocket and go to work son … if you really love the game. If not, GTFO!

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

On another note, here’s who the writers of ESPN think should start the All-Star Game.

By Bob

July 4, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

I am glad to see some positive comments on here. I wish the best of luck to you Frenchy, please don’t get mad at the Braves for this situation. I hope you get your swing back and get back soon!!! Go Braves!

By Doc Holliday

July 4, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Why isnt BJ or anderson being called up for JF?

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

I swear I’ve read more love, understanding and empathy for Frenchie today than at any point all year.

Where has all this positive feeling towards him been?

Now that he’s gone as many had requested, others need to be bashed.

We see the Andrew bashers, pretending Andrew was always a bad player. Shame on y’all for that.

We have the fire Terry Pendleton crowd out in force to they don’t really say why,(maybe because the team results suggest he’s doing his job) or who to replace him, they just want him fired!!

Still a tad bit of the Francoeur=Komminsk crowd out there as well.

I really don’t get how people can say these things, especially when there is strong evidence to the contrary.

Do people really get off on saying stuff that isn’t true or makes little sense?

By A-ville Ranger

July 4, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

JD, I don’t think Jeff has an unwillingness to change his approach,I think he is screwed up.Whether he CAN be a good hitter is an open question in my opinion.One thing for sure, he needs to drop the added weight,that much is clear from his base running and defense.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Frenchy is a pioneer. This is the first time anyone has chosen to work in the state of Mississippi when given an alternative choice.

By Shaun

July 4, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Bobby’s, I’m not sure how you expect Francoeur to react. He’s been an everyday player in the majors basically for the equivalent of three seasons. He’s having a terrible season. You expect him to give a perfect quote to a reporter and say all the “right” things?

By Run Heap Run!

July 4, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

I cannot believe his new quotes. What a pompous a*. You’ve been in the bigs less than 3 full years and you KNOW you’ve struggled this year. You think you’re too goo to go to the minors? Think again, pal. A lot better players than you have been sent to the minors. Would hoped you be more humble and grateful for the opportunity to improve in a less stressful environment. My only regret is that I didn’t boo louder the last few games I’ve attended.

Francine, you’re very damn fortunate to be playing BALL for a living, and a mighty good living that is, I might add. What an a*. I hope you never come back to ATL.

Oh and who didn’t see this coming from a mile away?

You’d think he was dead.

By Jago

July 4, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Jeff, you’re not as good as you think you are. Stop whining about your contract. Stop whining about how this puts “a damper” on your relationship with the Braves. You know what puts a damper on your relationship with the rest of us? The fact that you’re sucking, yet crying about your team’s decisions. Learn some humility, boy, because until you do, you’re only coming off like a spoiled little boy who’s having to deal with the real world for the FIRST TIME. Be a man … for once.

By ej

July 4, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Jeff,it may be alittle selfish to not want to go down and get your mechanics back to what we know you can do. Get your mind cleared out with no big league pressure. We know you are a big league player….this happens to many players. The move on behalf of management was a routine move. Your non-production may be the reason for losses-maybe not. You will find out at AA what needs to be corrected. I am a Fan of yours…so have faith and hurry to get back. You can do it …I have no doubts.

By Jill

July 4, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Go Braves and Take the Falcons with ya!

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Funny stuff today Braveheart*!

By Tonya

July 4, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Hope this move will help not only Jeff, but the team as a whole. Jeff is not the only one with problems. Maybe this will be a big kick in the rear for everyone. I miss the spark of our teams from years before. Love them one and all. Win or lose. Just want them to give their all!! Know you’re fans are waiting for your return Jeff, and supporting you all the way!!!

By tampabravos

July 4, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

This is a good move. He looks like his been pressing to hard. This spring training he hungout a lot with Teixera and I think the money is starting to get to him because everybody knows Teixera has no loyalty and he is struggling because of it. I wish him the best in the minors hope everything works out for him. However this is an excuse for him to not give us a hometown discount and want more $$$ when he gets his swing back.

By Lou Vales

July 4, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Dear By Bobby’s Cox, So the demotion of a Major League baseball player actually caused you relief??? I’m going to encourage you to reread the sentiment you expressed and consider if you MAY be putting too much emotional stock into the career ups and downs of someone who you don’t have a personal relationship with??

Now my daughter used to really like Lindsey Lohan, but I don’t believe at the age of 11 that she felt a tinge of relief when Ms. Lohan first sought out rehab.

And to think we make fun of Europeans who Live and Die over World Cup results.

By Chemo Dawg

July 4, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Hey Carroll,

We are hoping the best for Frenchy and our Braves! Now the CWS is over we need some exciting games to watch where our favorite team wins.

BTW, we’ve got a lot of good BBQ up here in the Bulldog nation if you get hungry from all this blogging!

By jbutler

July 4, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Caroll I ran to get the remote earlier. Does that count? And..in the true spirit of the upcoming Olympic games I broadjumped over the couch to get another soda. I’m in training for the 100 yard dash when the pizza shows up.

Give JF a break. The Braves annointed him, and he gladly took the crown. He’s young and has just been beat up in his own yard. Of course he’s going to have raw emotions…Hopefully he will come around - it would make a great story if he did.

By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)

July 4, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

As the biggest Frenchy fan I must say this was the right thing to do. I’m sure Francoeur is upset as any of us would be. He’s been “The One” his entire life. For the first time he’s not the star. In fact, he is the goat. He isn’t all that is wrong with this team but he’s a huge part of it. His lack of offensive production has affected the entire lineup. While he is unhappy and probably wishes he were traded about right now, he has to understand this will help him in the long run.

The Braves should call up Brandon Jones and let him have his chance to shine and showcase him for a potential trade. I would be willing to bet Wren made the move now in hopes that Frenchy can get this worked out in the next three weeks or so. If not, he then knows he will need to make a trade for an outfielder and will have a little time to work one out.

Frenchy has to uderstand the Braves have to put the entire team ahead of one guy. He could’ve been simply benched but what good would that have done. He would have just been sitting on the bench getting hardly any at-bats.

We have to get real here. This is a slump that has dated back to last August. And, it can no longer be called a slump. Also, as much as it pains me to say it, if Francouer wants to be an a* about it then I say trade him. The team needs “team first” guys and not “me” guys!

By Bluefox

July 4, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

This is a good move by the Braves, and Jeff should come back real strong. I’m not giving up on him. Good luck in Mississippi.

By vincent burrow

July 4, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

i think it was the right move but in general the braves need basestealers which would make all the difference in the world in these 1 run ball games they lose waiting for the homerun

By Thrillhouse44

July 4, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

I don’t know that I agree with the decision, but hopefully this works out for this season and beyond. We just need to remember he’s not being replaced by Gary Sheffield. His replacement comes in the form of a couple guys who couldn’t make the squad coming out of spring training. That doesn’t give me a warm and fuzzy. Perhaps this 4th of July 40 will take care of that for me. The blog’s “experts” got their wish - maybe that’ll stop the b**in and moaning for awhile. Never mind that thought - we still have the HOF coach.

Happy Indepence Day my friends.

By tbo

July 4, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Carroll. I ran if you can call it that.

IMO, TP should shoulder much of the blame for Frenchy (the spoiled brat). Also, I think that our overdue to retire manager didn’t want to send him down, but Wren must have ordered it.

By hop

July 4, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

jeff is a class act who was surprised by the sudden move. no one likes surprises and the braves should have done a better job of preparing him that this was an option.

the real problem is the horrible hitting coach the braves have in terry pendleton.

this is the guy who needs to be released, jeff is not the only one who is not hitting and the real problem with the braves is not pitching but not scoring runs period.

hopefully, the manager with the mississippi can help jeff find the problem because he received NO HELP WITH THE BRAVES COACHES IN THE ATL.

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

hey taters…..the lineup: Perry is in it

here goes: (and we’ll do numbers to make sure you guys are paying attention) Gregor Blanco 7 Escobar 6 Jones 5 Tex 3 McCann 2 Johnson 4 Kotsay 8 Jason Perry 9 Huddy 1

It’ll be the major league debut for the kid from Jonesboro who has hit .309 in AA and AAA since coming over the Detroit organization in April. He has 18 homers and 55 RBIs in 69 games at the two levels combined.

Off to hack for a while on what I learned walking around the clubhouse. Teammates and coaches are behind him, really care about him. nobody at least publicly argued against the way it was handled.

By Catty Catie

July 4, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

You sons of b!tches will rue the day you talked about my hubby this way. Rue the day! You good for nothing, sorry sons of b!tches! Now, take a hint from Carroll and Screwy Louie Vales and go run a marathon you fat wankers.

By Bo

July 4, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Did you wonder why Bobby stuck with Jeff so long when he was doing so bad? Just two days ago BC said Jeff stays in line up. WellBobby and Jeff have the same Sports agents…. makes you wonder?

*Chop Chop- *Thanks for taking time to answer my question. Hope you are right.

By Rush

July 4, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

I have to agree with the people stating that at least some of the blame falls to Pendelton.

The guy is a local hero, and was a good player, but he does not seem to have helped anyone on the team improve as a hitter. Time for TP to go.

It happens in all sports, but so many guys think that they should teach people how they think it should be done. Cant we find a coach who will work on maximizing the hitters strengths and minimizing the weaknesses. In other words, quit trying to reinvent the hitter. Help them to play to their strenghts.

By Doc Holliday

July 4, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Why was Perry brought up instead of BJ or Anderson?

By old man

July 4, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Maybe Frenchy should do like LaRoche and get on some medicine as he sure can’t focus. GET RID OF PENDELTON!

By Efrim

July 4, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

I understand Francoeur is upset, and I don’t have too much of a problem with what he said, but he has to understand that he has been one of the worst regulars in the sport this season. The entire freaking sport.

I’m not sure if this will help him, but the Braves made the right decision and I commend them.

I wish Frenchy all the best.

With all that said. This piece of news contributes to what this season has been for Braves fans….

a damn nightmare. Everything that could of gone wrong, went wrong.

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

somebody you all know and love but who will remain nameless just walked through the press box with a good line. thought i’d share. he said “i told you in spring training before the year was out, we’d see an outfield of Diaz, Schafer and Francoeur, i just had the team wrong.”

By Emily

July 4, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

I hope the Braves lose every game they play from now on. I can’t believe they possibly think that the reason they aren’t winning is on the back of one player.

By Kelley

July 4, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

To Jeff: “I guess Cox only makes a move when the press start writing about and asking questions, eh?” You do realize that Bobby doesn’t read the local papers don’t you? And he sure as heck isn’t reading these blogs. So I’m thinking no, this move was not prompted by the press. Also, doesn’t the GM make this decision?

Say good bye to Frenchy. One thing I’ve learned these past years as a Braves fan is they don’t take very kindly to the type of comments that Jeff made to the paper about being sent down. The Braves value professionalism, thank goodness, from their players.
He probably won’t be here next year.

I used to think Frenchy was a good kid, but after reading his comments about being sent down, I’m beginning to wonder. What did he think should happen to him after his performance, he should play in the All Star Game?

By keef1234

July 4, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Francoeur is LUCKY this isn’t NY… they would have chewed him up and made sausage out of his psyche…

By Ole Man Bourbon

July 4, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Jeff:

TAKE. A. PITCH.

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

I have to agree with the people stating that at least some of the blame falls to Pendelton.

Why is that?

What is with the need to blame someone?

Why you people only want to blame Pendleton but not give him praise for the good work that he’s done with the team?

By DCbrave

July 4, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

As much as some of us/you, the fan, are emotionally attached to our/your team, the players - and the fans - have to realize that baseball has long become a sheer business. Because of that, Tex turned down that huge offer from the club that drafted him first overall, and because of that Frenchy turned down that long term deal offer from his hometown team. Now, also because of that, the Braves sent him to the minor to get his swing back, but Frenchy thought that dampens his relationship with the Braves? What relationship? Has it ever occurred to you that turning that long term offer from the Braves but your buddy BM accepting it, might have already dampened your relationship with the Braves?

Some of you keep saying we should understand that Frenchy said what he said at the high emotions, and I am sure he will say things differently after he calms down, but here is the question: if you want to know what’s truly on somebody’s mind, would you like to hear it from the person when he says it without much thinking, or would you rather hear it after he/she gives it a lot of thought? Not to be synical, I’m affraid we just saw the true Frenchy.

By Efrim

July 4, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Emily

I hope the Braves lose every game they play from now on. I can’t believe they possibly think that the reason they aren’t winning is on the back of one player.

He had the fourth worst OPS of regular players in the NL. He was hurting the team. He needed to get sent down. He had the 2nd most plate apperances for the team as well. He was killing them.

On a side note, I just noticed that the Braves have a better winning percentage than 4 teams in the NL. The Giants, Rockies, Padres and Nationals. 86 games into the season……4th worst winning percentage in the NL. Speechless.

By Phil

July 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

“227-231 over the last 458 games. 4 games under .500. It’s time for the AJC columnists and the sports radio talk show hosts in this town to do their jobs by demanding answers. Is it the owners? Is it the front office? Is it the manager? Is it the minor league developmental staff? Is it the scouts? Is it all of the above? Whatever the case may be, the opinionmakers in this town have got to start opining about it instead of continuing to excuse it. What are they afraid of?”

The answer seems fairly obvious to me. The Braves won division championships when they had one of the highest payrolls in the major leagues. Time-Warner changed that several years ago; it was a year or so before their last division championship, if memory serves. It takes a couple of years for these things to catch up. The Braves are way down the list as far as payroll size now, I believe.

The more money you have to spend, the more talent you can put on the field. The more talent you can put on the field, the better your chances of winning are. It seems like a fairly easy concept to grasp.

By prattvillenolzfan

July 4, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

Hey Carroll,

Tell DOB that quote is priceless….

To everyone who is questioning why the Braves didn’t recall Jones or Anderson…

Perry has more power than those two. Anderson and Blanco are interchangable, and Jones looked totally lost last week-end.

By Braves never win on the road

July 4, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

Frenchy time and grow up stop acting like the spoiled rich kid you are ,be a man for once .

By AdirondackDave

July 4, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Well, things could be worse. Andruw just struck out for the 4th time and it’s only the 6th inning.

By Bo

July 4, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Kirknga name me one good thing PT has done!

By schuest

July 4, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

Based on the reporint I read, JF sounds spoiled and unappreciative to me. His stats suggest that he needs the help but his words tell me that he is too stubborn and/or too immature to accept it. I hope he finds his swing in the minor leagues and comes back hot. I also hope one of the veterans on the team helps him put this in perspective.

By schuest

July 4, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

Based on the reporint I read, JF sounds spoiled and unappreciative to me. His stats suggest that he needs the help but his words tell me that he is too stubborn and/or too immature to accept it. I hope he finds his swing in the minor leagues and comes back hot. I also hope one of the veterans on the team helps him put this in perspective.

By schuest

July 4, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

Based on the reporting I read, JF sounds spoiled and unappreciative to me. His stats suggest that he needs the help but his words tell me that he is too stubborn and/or too immature to accept it. I hope he finds his swing in the minor leagues and comes back hot. I also hope one of the veterans on the team helps him put this in perspective.

By schuest

July 4, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

Based on the reporting I read, JF sounds spoiled and unappreciative to me. His stats suggest that he needs the help but his words tell me that he is too stubborn and/or too immature to accept it. I hope he finds his swing in the minor leagues and comes back hot. I also hope one of the veterans on the team helps him put this in perspective.

By JimD

July 4, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

At least a couple of people (Robert and Doc) have asked why BJ wasn’t recalled instead of Perry. A player has to stay in minor leagues for 10 days before being recalled. BJ was sent down 7/1 when Z-man was activated. So he will not be eligible to return until the 11th, and it is doubtful he will be then since the team will be in the middle of a West Coast road trip prior to the ASB.

As for why Josh Anderson was not recalled … just a guess: they wanted someone with more pop. Offensively, Josh is another Blanco. Why have two?

For the record, in case anyone cares, JF is eligible to return immediately following the ASB. We shall see.

By BigFan

July 4, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

@Francoeurphile: the world is too ugly a place for someone as beautiful as you.

I’m a huge Clemson and Lassiter fan. I feel like some of Frenchy’s struggles have been because of my sour grapes at the shabby treatment that he gave the Tigers and Trojans, respectively. I would like to take it all back. Jeff, you have my full and unconditional support. Find your swing/ outfield range and get back on the big league club ricky-ticky. If things don’t work out, I’m sure Clemson could use another safety.

By BravesFanChris23

July 4, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

Carroll or Whomever….

Who is Jason Perry? I haven’t heard anything of or about him really. What’s he like stats and all that other stuff? How did we get him?

By AdirondackDave

July 4, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

Francoeur’s gotta come back. Last year I paid 75 bucks at a charity auction for one of his signed balls.

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

AdirondackDave—

Yes, but he’s moving up. That forth time he was only called out on strikes.

58 minutes? I’m ready for the game now! I need my Braves fix!

By david

July 4, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

i got the previlage to go to fan fest this year and jeff was one of the players i talked to and this quote is not jf hes just upset fom the bos and getting sent down so heres to ya jeff hope in a couple of weeks your back up helping us make a hell of a run for the second half

By MEB

July 4, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Hey I just got back from a couple of days in Atlanta watching the Braves stink up Turner Field. I was amazed and a little shocked when I heard the news but I think the Braves made the right move. I can understand your disappointment Jeff but dude… you are playing awful right now and this could be the move that saves your career. You need to keep your head up and make every effort to win your job back. Could be this year but my bet is you will have to win it back next spring.

GO BRAVES!!!

By Squeezo

July 4, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Frenchy’s been overplayed and like many, overpaid. Not that great, not worth much in the $ department, as most are not worth the money they get. It’s called do your job or get out. You get no quarter from anyone, nor does he deserve it. All ball players, regardless of sport, should either produce at all times, regardless of the situations (I don’t care if Momma died) for the money they are paid, or get them out. These are not the ones with the greatest mental capabilities, so they need to produce for the fans. No production, get them out. There is a reason it is called entertainment. The fact is coming down now.. you either satisfy the fan or the fan doesn’t show up to pay the babies. If the babies don’t produce, get rid of them. If I were the brave’s owner, everyone’s pay would be cut by 40% on Saturday.

By NCBravesFan

July 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

Adirondack Dave I saw that in the Dodgers box score. I’m beginning to wonder if Andruw hasn’t broken down as a player. He’s hitting .161 now, and hasn’t done much at all in about two years.

He might be done.

By phil

July 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

This is absolutely the right move. The guy has been struggling in key positions, and I for one am glad to see the Braves make a bold move like this to make a statement that at least they’re not going to stand pat while the season goes down the toilet.It’s time for Frank Wren to step up and make more moves!

By Fan since 66

July 4, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Well now that Frenchy is gone and most of the bloggers on here were begging for him to be sent down,i wonder how long it will be before you are screaming for the Braves to bring him back.It does’nt matter what the team does while they are not winning because you and i are not gonna be satisfied until they turn things around.But the Braves did send him down to try and regain his stroke so,we the fans should try and and give the team the benefit of the doubt for the move.I think Francouer has developed an idea of being a superstar and that was the reason for spurning the contract the team offerd.He started out like gangbusters his first two seasons and that may have done more harm than good to his career.He was walking before crawling and it may have gone to his head.Visions of triple crowns and multimillion contracts have possibly become an obsession for him.He undertook the weight program in the off season in hopes of producing more power this year.That looks like a bad move so far and his whole game has sufferd for the worst.Jeff Francouer needs to get back to the basic’s in order to get himself back in form.He won’t ever be a superstar type ballplayer but,with dedication and hard work he can be a quality Major League out fielder.The sooner he takes a long hard look at himself and realizes this the better off he and the Braves will be.And if it does’t work out for him at least the team will save themselves the embrassment of a long term multimillion dollar contract to a player who does not deserve it.

By Chopdawg

July 4, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Not having Francoeur in the lineup weakens the ATL Braves. Sure, he’s in a terrible slump, but every hitter goes thru those, and Jeff’s still one of the better defensive RF’s in the game. With all the Braves’ injuries this year—& because of the slumps of some of the other regulars—Francoeur might’ve been trying to do too much. I don’t see how sending him down to AA helps him as a player: if he hits .350 down there, well, he’s supposed to; if his slump continues he just puts more pressure on himself.

He might’ve made a mistake bulking up over this past winter, focusing too much on hitting HR’s…to me, his season last year was a fine season.

By dondee

July 4, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Jeff will be back. The comment was probably made without considering any backlash. I’ll admit, his comment made me cringe. I think we can forgive him this one, but he does need to weigh the words more carefully in the future. Think about it, this is probably the first time ever he has had to struggle this much and he doesn’t have the tools to deal with it. He will need someone to coach him on that, too.

By Lou Vales

July 4, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Dear DC Brave, Nailed It!!!!

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Kirknga name me one good thing PT has done! BO

How about he won an MVP in 1991 getting countless clutch hits along the way.

So there’s your “one good thing”.

The point however is about coaching. I pointed out earlier that:

The Braves are 3rd in Battling Average, 3rd OBP, 4th most BB’s, 5th least Strikeouts!

These stats tell me that the hitting coach is very effective. You don’t fire a hitting coach with that kind of profile.

Now perhaps you will answer my question that I have asked all that want to fire TP.

Who you going to replace him with and what facts do you have that suggest he can improve on what TP has done?

By Chop Chop

July 4, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

kirknga,

It almost seems to me that you think all Braves players and coaches are a bunch of cowards who can’t handle criticism. In case you haven’t noticed, most criticism of a team’s players and coaches comes from that team’s fans. That’s right, kirknga, the fans that watch the team every damn day; the fans that go to the games; the fans that buy the merchandise; the fans that invest a little more than they probably should in their team’s successes or failures.

In a broader perspective, hey, it’s the Fourth of July, but this country does things I don’t want it to do. It’s my country, but I don’t have to love everything it does. I served in the Army, but that doesn’t give me any more right to criticize the policies of our government than any politically-inclined talk radio/TV moron.

That’s just the way it is, man. Be thankful that you have the right to whine about whiners and, oh, I don’t know, just accept the fact that you’re going to have to read that stuff on this blog every damn day until you’ve had enough or things get better.

By ncscoots

July 4, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

Wow. A little drive-by on the blog while waiting for the 4th food to settle, and I see the fireworks started early. Hope the kid gets it working again. And I don’t mind that he spouted off about it. Anger is good. Take it out on Mr. Spaulding in Pearl.

JimD has the right of it re Brandon Jones; I kinda doubt Perry is up because the Braves think he has more power than Jones. Perry is a 27-year-old career minor leaguer who has repeated every level at least twice (his AA numbers this year OUGHTA be good, it’s about his fourth trip at the level), and, as you might expect, his minor league stats have been inconsistent. He’s up because he can be, and because Josh Anderson is no answer.

Maybe the guy shows enough to be included in a trade package later.

By Bo

July 4, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Just watched Perry on TV. Very smart kid and happy to be here. Go Braves!

By DCbrave

July 4, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Dear Lou Vales,

I said what I said without much thinking.

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

ChopChop

What the heck are you going on about? You have completed mischaracterized what I have said.

So let me recap for you: 1. I don’t believe TP should be fired. 2. I gave some facts that I believe support my position. 3. If you are going to fire someone, fine, then let’s hear who you want to replace him and what facts do you have to support why he would do a better job?

What in the world is wrong with some fact-based discussion?

I’m an Army brat and come from a long line of those with military service, so save me the lectures. Those men are proud patriots, brave and had the strength of character to not only serve their country, but if they disagreed with you then they looked you in the eye and told you why.

What they never did was lie about what you said and then try to scold you about that lie.

If you are going to preach about our right to free speech then at least respect the right enough and use truth please.

By Robert

July 4, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

“Now, if only Bobby Cox could get it right as to tactics.”

You got a better chance of winning the Powerball

By Catty Catie

July 4, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Dear Lou Vales, I said what I said without much thinking.

In other words, you channeled your inner Lou Vales.

By john

July 4, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

LETS CUT OUT SOME OF THE DUGOUT GRAB ASSING,WHILE WE ARE LOSING.THIS LOOKS BAD ON TV.GIVES THE APPERANCE THAT YOU DONT CARE IF YOU ARE LOSING.

By geauxbraves2000

July 4, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

Over and under for Dr Jekyll or Mr Hyde?

Hopefully DJ shows up tonight.

Geaux Braves!!

By Colonel Wagon

July 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

A few truths: 1. Francoeur a nice kid, got talent, but way overhyped. 2. Cox needs to go already. 3. No one in this city really cares about hockey, which is as it should be. 4. 57 days till Dawgs kick-off

By McCann's buddy

July 4, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this

Frenchy’s biggest mistake was not signing contract offer last year, and listening to an agent’s bad advice. He then bulks up in order to hit more homeruns and demand more money. Hope he fires his agent, and hope this is a sign of management throwing up the white flag on this pathetic team and trading Tex now so they can overcome terrible trade. One can only hope,and don’t understand why they didn’t send Pendleton to AA, it sounds like they actually have a hitting coach there, and TP could use some advice as a hitting coach.

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

Jeb, What you are saying is TP has a good grasp of what it takes to hit but he can’t relate it to his players. Therefore he’s not a good very good hitting coach. Good coaches can relate to players period.

Jeff Francoeur hit .341 last season with RISP. The Braves were one of the top teams with RISP for a period last season. They were also one of the top scoring teams last season with TP as hitting coach.

So if TP “can’t relate” as some have said, how is it the Braves came to have the success they enjoyed last season?

How about this from MLB.COM:

…The Braves led the National League in home runs (222) and slugging percentage (.455) and ranked second in the circuit in runs scored (849) and batting average (.270). The home run total ranked second in franchise history, while the runs total ranked second in Atlanta history…The Braves have compiled 300 doubles in a season five times in franchise history, including each of the last four seasons (2003-2006) under Pendleton’s supervision….

The Braves scored 810 runs last season only two teams..Philly and Colorado scored more.

How is that possible with a coach “who can’t relate”?

TP has an outstanding track record as a hitting coach.

It is not a good idea to fire someone who has a good track record. If you do then you have to replace him with someone better I would think.

By joey

July 4, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

The Braves need a new hitting coach.

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

THEY’VE GOT THE LEAD!!

First lead in the last 47 innings…yikes.

By JustDave

July 4, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this

Hopefully Jeff’s arrogant comments just came from frustration. If the Braves really want to make a move, get rid of Bobby Cox. All he does is sit in the dugout and curse. He has lost all ability to manage a team.

By Vern

July 4, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

Jeff went quickly but A. Jones got to hang around longer in his slump. If B. Cox is such a good manager why only one world series????? My opioion is the wrong man went down to the majors. I hope Jeff gets to sign with a real team!!!!!

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

ATTA BOY, JASON!!

By rlp-politcal

July 4, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Another whinning white man….

You gave him all this glory now deal with the result !

By keylargo

July 4, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

It is very close on whether or not BMac has enough speed to score from first on a triple. 8)

Congrats Rookie!!

By Jeff321

July 4, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

Well, Perry just had an impressive at bat.. Seemed to foul off four or five and wound up with a triple. Now, I have never heard of this guy. Why wasn’t he brought up instead of Anderson or Jones? 18HR’s, 55RBI’s between AA/AAA.

By UGA 2003

July 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

Trade him. If he is going to be a whiner, like he has shown during this demotion, the Braves need to trade him. He wished they had told him they were considering it? You are 1-12 this month and batted .204 in May. How, in the middle of such a prolonged slump, with fans booing you, could you NOT have seen this coming? Do you honestly think you are better than everyone else kid? You deserve a roster spot simply because you are the hometown kid and not because you earn it? Get real. I hope the Braves look real hard at Francouer’s comment regarding this move and realize he doesn’t look at this as a team sport, but a game for individuals. The Braves don’t need players like him. Trade him…if you can get anything for him.

By Tomas

July 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

Wow, at last a right fielder that can hit it and be patiebt.

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

how bout that for jason perry. the hometown boy. a triple for his first major league hit, in his first major league at-bat. an eight-pitch at-bat and a nice one. and he got a standing O from the crowd, though i think he was so locked in he might not have noticed.

By Paul Lentz

July 4, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

Nice first at bat by Perry. The kid hung tough and looked like he had an idea of what he was trying to do. He wasnt mindlessly hacking at any piece of slop that came with 4 feet of his head.

Im not saying that this kid is the next coming….However at this very moment in time, that at bad was more productive than all of Franceour’s at bats in the past month combined. Maybe the rest of the bats will wake up.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Home run by Frenchy in his first at bat

By kd

July 4, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

You guys crack me up. How arrogant to think that anyone has real solutions to a major league team’s problems. You watch a game every night and that somehow makes you qualified to coach/play GM at the major league level. The worst part is that you have no real idea of what is going on behind the scenes, what instruction is going on, how players are responding to it, or anything of real substance. We make opinions based on 4 at-bats a night and what you read in the paper. How can anyone possibly know what is best for anyone. These are the same idiots that scream things like “Trade for Ryan Howard” (or some similar kind of player) assuming all along that a) a team would just arbitrarily decide to trade its best player; and b) that it is just that easy to trade for someone just because joe-schmoe wants it to happen. There are some great fans out there, but no one with a brain can say that they have the answers. Anyone who even states something like this must have answers to almost everything- all formed in their spare time. What a joke…

By GaLiberal

July 4, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Instead of whining and acting like a spoiled brat, he should get on his knees and thank the Braves for continuing to invest in his career. They could have just benched or traded him, but they sent him to get away from the pressure and come back a better player. So he says this strains his relationship with the Braves. I’m sure other players don’t feel that way and welcome the chance to improve their skills. But not this whiner. No wonder he’s a big supporter of George Bush. Both are just spoiled brats.

By Pool Man

July 4, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

I think that Jeff had gotten to big headed since he turned down the long term deal offered there has been strained relations between him and the Braves organization maybe he should be traded while the braves can get something for him

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Oh, no, they reverse the call. His homer is called foul - guess who went nuts and got tossed from the game?

By Choppinmama

July 4, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

If this were a TBS broadcast, we would have SEEN Tex hug Perry as he came back onto the field. Heck, they would have shown Perry get the hi fives as he went into the dugout at the end of the inning.

C’mon Peachtree, you need to review tape from past seasons and get your broadcasts up to TBS par.

One more thing, can anyone tell me the story again as to why Kotsay got nicknamed “Z”?

By Supes

July 4, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

That’s about more like it…production from RF spot in the in lineup!

I had never heard anything about Jason Perry, but that one at bat showed a lot. He’ll work the count, foul off some pitches, etc and hit what the pitcher gives you.

Congrats Jason Perry on your first big league hit!

Huddy looks on his game tonight…and I thought Hoss had hit one out earlier…that ball just died on the warning track! A little wind would have been nice (blowing out)

Yunel and KJ have got to step it up, both have been so-so at best lately…and I type this Yunel just killed a rally with a 12th double play for him in the year. Joe Simposon just said he hit 319 at bats and had six double plays total. This year 340+ AB and has 12. This is a number of concern b/c if you project it over 550 AB it’s over 20 double plays hit into and he’s not a 3-5 hitter in this lineup. Killing rallies before the big guns of Hoss and Tex can get to it.

By Francoeurphile

July 4, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this

Jason Perry, HAH!

Jeff would have had an inside-the-park homer on that pitch.

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

.291!!

Braveheart—

Are you serious??

By mike

July 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

sounds like the braves ………andruw jones hits 200 most of last year and they keep him in ……..now send a young man who gives 100% all the time and everyone likes to watch down to minors bitting 230… ………go terry P ——-what a joke

By Choppinmama

July 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

All you perfect people out there complaining about Jeff voicing a little disapointment about being sent down must lead pretty perfect lives.

What did you want the guy to say, “thank you sir, may I have another?”

And all of you piling on TP about his suspect lousy job as hitting coach. Well, do you think he’s giving Frenchy bad advice that Frenchy is taking, resulting in his poor plate performanc?

Or perhaps, TP has told Frenchy a million times to do, or not to do something, and #7 just can’t execute that advice?

Good job last night,Francoeur - 9th inning, bases loaded, 2 outs and a new pitcher comes in. Do you watch a few pitches, waiting on a mistake? NO, you hack away at the first pitch from the reliever. GAME OVER

Little pressure, time to work on a new stance, new bat position, pitch recognition - whatever it takes, I hope you find it quick in MS.

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

I had forgotten how it felt to have the Braves leading in a game.

Wise words kd

Thus of us from Jonesboro haven’t had much to be proud of since the days of Steve Lundquist and Scott Woerner. Go Perry!

By Live from Yokohama- it's Saturday Morn!

July 4, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

Is it just me, or do base stealers come to Atlanta to die under BC? Blanco tore up the minors, but it seems like the stolen base is totally suppressed by Cox, who’s still apparently under the impression we have three or four 40 HR guys in the lineup. Glad we’re winning, but geez, why not a little more small ball, Bobby?

By Choppinmama

July 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

OK, off to see fireworks down by the pier on the Carrabelle River. I’ll have to listen to this win on XM radio!

Hope you all out there have a safe rest of the 4th.

God Bless us all, and God bless America!! (for those that don’t believe, just ignore the religious sentiment)

By Robin

July 4, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

Wow! Looks like a different ball club so far tonight. Congrats Jason on your first MLB hit!

By Shamus Thacker

July 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

Francoeurfile, didn’t you mean to say strikeout?

By Francoeurphobe

July 4, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Jeff is experimenting with a new bat position:

the rack in his pickup as he drives to a “regular job”.

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

pratt, another reason jones can come up is behind he was sent down less than 10 days ago. they wanted some punch for a corner outfield spot and they think they got it from perry a guy who has been tearing it up since they signed him in april. had been in detroit organization. hit .309 with 18 homers and 55 RBIs in 69 games combined for AA and AAA. feel like i’ve already typed that. haven’t i?

anyway.

this is from our own tom stinson, who’s in mississippi tonight. frenchy did nearly have a homer in his first at-bat. but the ump ruled it was foul down the left field line. wellman goes nuts and gets thrown out.

i know, i had to ask him if he was making that up. he assures me he wasn’t…..good news is frenchy came back from 0-2 to draw a walk.

By MEB

July 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

No Braveheart… a stranger event occurred in Mississippi, Francoeur got a walk in his first at bat.

GO BRAVES!!!

By Mr. Mann

July 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

It was overdue. Let’s trade him before others find out.

By Live from Yokohama- it's Saturday Morn!

July 4, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Not sure I understand all the angst about Frenchy being sent down. It’s already been said that he’ll be back after the All-Star break, this just gives him a chance to work on the things he needs to do to return to form. I’d cut him some slack about being upset. I’d be pretty down too if I’d driven in 100 two straight years, and now could buy a hit with men on base. It would’ve been nice to see him just clam up about it, like Dontrelle Willis and Brett Myers, but no one ever accused Frenchy of being unemotional, right?

Man, I hate it when we walk the pitcher. Nothing good ever comes of that…

By Robin

July 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Man!!

I usually agree with Joe Simpson but, I say Blanco has no arm …………..weak. Yeah well, we shouda been out of the inning anyway.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

Yeah, McFann, I was serious. He almost hit a homer. It was initially called a homer but they reversed it later. Wellman evidently went bonkers as we all know he can and got tossed from the game. Francoeur then went on to get a walk. He got an opposite field single the next time up.

By MAV

July 4, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

Blanco has got to have one of the worst throwing arms in baseball. It’s like he has no clue what he is doing out there. On a postive not, this Hudson is on tonight. Should be a shutout except for the bobble by Kelly.

By Jeff321

July 4, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

I think Kelly Johnson is a great hitter.. But, this error thing is getting quite OLD! And now of course a run scores..

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

The Japanese need to send Kobayashi down to AA. Chestnut has beat him two years in a row now.

Man, McCann is killing the ball tonight.

By ijonathan

July 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

Braveheart

So, in his first hour or so of play in AA, Jeff has…

1) hit a ball hard and just missed a home run

2) taken a walk

Wow. Wonder when the last time was that Jeff did that in a major league game. Perhaps ever… 3) singled to the opposite field

By Stovey5K

July 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

He is acting like a baby because he got sent down. Talking to the media saying crap like, “This has really put a damper on my relationship with the Atlanta Braves.” Grow up kid! Try hitting better than .121 over the last 18 games, and maybe do a little better than 2-20 with runners in scoring position and then maybe you can keep your job. Punk. Seriously, I hope the Braves trade him, then he could be just like all of the other would be stars that use to wear Braves uniforms (see Ryan Klesko, Marcus Giles, Javy Lopez, Andruw Jones, etc…). Maybe he should have taken the same contract that they offered his buddy Brian McCann, but Noooo!, he thought he was better than that. So long sucker, I hope you stay in Double A.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

KJ!!

By Clyde

July 4, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

Mike, the Braves couldn’t send Andruw to the minors last year without his consent. Not only that, they couldn’t trade him without his consent, either (10 & 5 guy). What did you want them to do? He still played good defense and drove in runs.

By keylargo

July 4, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Blanco does not have the best arm on the team but he does have 4 outfield assists this year including throwing out a runner at home in the Phillie series. Andruw Jones, just as a comparison, had 3 last year.

By Francoeurphobe

July 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

Francoeur singled off a 166 pound lefty who had an ERA of 6.00 before tonight.

Impressive. I think he’s ready to come back to Atlanta.

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

i meant another reason jones can’t come up….

By keylargo

July 4, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

Hit Blanco again Houston. That’s the best aggressive baserunning I’ve seen the Braves do lately and it took making someone mad.

By Francoeurphobe

July 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Mississippi Braves are having a “dollar dog” promotion every Monday. All hot dogs are $1.00. ONE DOLLAR! Can you believe it?

I’m gonna get five or six. Maybe a nacho appetizer. What about you?

Your digestive system will say THANKS!

By NCBravesFan

July 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

What was that thing called that the Braves just did?

Oh yeah, a manufactured run. I almost forgot what one looks like. ;)

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Getting hits with runners in scoring position makes a big big difference.

By jed

July 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

boyer again? his arm’s gonna fall off. you’re up 6-1, bobby. throw somebody else.

By Francoeurphobe

July 4, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

mississippibraves.com web site is having problems.

They probably have never had this much traffic before.

Everyone wants to know what’s up with Jeff!

By Lew

July 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this

Carroll-The Peachtree Road Race could always be worse. They could run it in Macon-maybe when they have the Pulp Mills at full capacity.

By ijonathan

July 4, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this

McCann and his freaking backhand sh!t. Send him to AA so he can work through the fundamentals, LOL.

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Mississippi Braves are having a “dollar dog” promotion every Monday. All hot dogs are $1.00. ONE DOLLAR! Can you believe it? I’m gonna get five or six. Maybe a nacho appetizer. What about you?

Only 5 or 6? Kobayashi might be in a slump but you’re no Kobayashi eating only 5 or 6. The great Kobayashi spits on people who eat only 5 or 6 dogs.

By Francoeurphobe

July 4, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Victorino has a walk-off single as the Phils beat the Mets 3-2.

The Maui mauler strikes again!

By Live from Yokohama- it's Saturday Morn!

July 4, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

Boyer trying to throw 200 innings this season out of the pen. And now the always exciting Jeff Bennett. What Bobby won’t do to make things interesting for the fans…

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

OK, Braveheart. I thought you meant Francoeur got tossed…

Yeah, Brian’s killing’ it…too bad on those last two there was a fielder in the way…

Oh well…the AVG with RISP is .287.

By Live from Yokohama- it's Saturday Morn!

July 4, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Has Tejada had a birthday yet this month? What is that dude, 75?

By McFann©

July 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, bad news: John Grove hit homer number 14 for the Chi Cubs.

BOOOOOO!!

By BIG BULL

July 4, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

If the Braves had a MGR. like a Pinella, instead of that idiot nose picking Cox; The Boys wouldn’t be sitting near the cellar right now. Talk about putting pressure on a player! How about giving a player a hand of encouragement instead of booing like the bunch of fickle blithering idiot fans that we have in Atlanta! Francour should have been benched for 3 or 4 games instead of being humiliated at this stage of his career. The only person in a slump right now is Bobby Boy, and he has been for god knows how long. Get rid of his a* and everybody’s game will pick up! I love Frenchy, but it would be funny seeing him go to Philly or NY and tear the Braves a* up every year.

By JEB

July 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

Kirknga All of Your remarks on Terry Pendleton as hitting coach are RIGHT ON! Good job of pulling out the facts and stats!

Why would any team fire someone who is doing their job - especially since the numbers favor the fact TP is doing a good job! Those are the figures that the team will look at - results!

By Shamus Thacker

July 4, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

When will this Stenchy madness end, and how? I predict he’ll be back by the end of this decade. Possibly draggin’ a rake with the grounds crew, but back nonetheless. I also predict that by 2010 [after he’s decided that it’s ok to start slowly, and then just suck all damn year] Hex will be liftin’ n’ stretchin’ taffy for Sweet Sue. I predict that Bobby Cox will remain with the Braves for many years, some spent as talking head for the Traveling Freezer Burnt Head Display that Atlanta will proudly host in 2009. It ain’t the Olympics, but it’ll do…

Aloha from the Tibet-like kudzu-slathered alps of Cedartown

By Francoeurphobe

July 4, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

The great Kobayashi spits on people who eat only 5 or 6 dogs.

No. You meant to say that Kobayashi spits UP on people who only eat 5 or 6 dogs.

By Supes

July 4, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

I forgot what it feels like to come to the blog and talk about a Braves win!

Good to see the Braves showing signs of life. It helps that the Houston Astros aren’t killing the ball.

I’d like to see more Gregor Blanco on the basepads. Not sure if he was upset and that is why he had the aggressive base running late in the game, but I like it and I hope we see more of it.

Kotsay, Mac, Chipper, it seemed like most of the folks today got a lot of good swings on the ball, hit some line drives and some hard hit balls.

Braves have to sweep the Astros this weekend to get back on track, or at least try and put together any kind of a decent winning streak.

Meanwhile…the Mets didn’t help out tonight. Phillies win again.

Good game by Huddy, some life shown by the offense and Gonzo pitched a strong 9th.

Maybe, just maybe there is a small reason to believe.

Meanwhile, I could care less about Jeff updates. It’s just day 1, of what will probably be a 2-3 week assignment. Too early to tell anything.

Braves have 9 more games until the All-Star break. Have to go at least 6-3 in those 9 games.

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks JEB, I just wanted to see who they wanted to replace him and why. Apparently that offended some and I still don’t have any answers…just fire him!

Most important thing is we won!! Feels great after the last series, if the Braves keep getting hits with runners in scoring position they might at least make it back to .500

By edward

July 4, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

The one thing I hope does not happen is that instead of understanding why he was sent down, Jeff just takes it personally. I know no one wants to send down a 3rd yr big leaguer of his talent, but slumps don’t last all year either. Right? I read he said this puts a damper on his relationship with the Braves. That is not the attitude to have. Would he rather hurt the team and be booed the rest of the year?? I always thought he went to the plate looking for the grand slam ball…Even when no one was on base. Chipper is hitting .393 with mainly singles. Singles are not that bad. You need baserunners to score runs and going and hacking does not help. GOOD LUCK JEFF!!!!!!! See you in 10 days

By Random

July 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

Silly-st*pid TV guys — one of them summed up the bottom of the third inning, in which Chipper, Tesh and Spanky each singled with two outs, by saying that the Braves had “manufactured” a run. Idiots.

But then on the other hand, later, one of them mentioned that Hudson seemed to stink it up every other start, and the other one said he stunk it only up every third start.

Ya hear THAT, ncscoots and Lew?!

By Braveheart

July 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

No. You meant to say that Kobayashi spits UP on people who only eat 5 or 6 dogs.

Michael Vick cheers for people who eat 5 or 6 dogs. Is it worse for the face of the franchise to be sentenced to Mississippi or to Leavenworth?

By Run Heap Run!

July 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

So Frenchy gets an “almost homer” against AA pitching and we get a headline? Yep. He probably will be back in 10 days. Sickening.

By Sway Gonzo Sway!

July 4, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Oh and Gonzo continues to impress. Mighty fine closer. Sign him long term now.

Hey any news tonight on Mike Tampon, err Hampton?

By Efrim

July 4, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

I think Frenchy shouldn’t be back in the month of July. If you are going to send him to the minors, make sure he actually learns something down there. 10 days, or even 2 weeks isn’t enough. August 1st should be his first day back.

By Random

July 4, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

Supes: “I’d like to see more Gregor Blanco on the basepads.”

“Basepads”?!?!?

“Meanwhile, I could care less about Jeff updates.”

How much less?

“Man up”!!!

8-)

By Sway Gonzo Sway!

July 4, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

BIG BULL You do know that Pinella managed the devil rays for 3 last place seasons, right?

By Braves Scouting Dept.

July 4, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

I wanted Frenchy to succeed, but I’m not surprised he’s struggling. For two years he’s done it with smoke and mirrors. Actually, I’m surprised he’s had the success he has had to this point. He has never had a technically good swing. Too many moving parts and most of them are going in different directions. Take the funky swing and add to that a guy who sometimes swings at pitches he couldn’t reach with a wagon tongue. The Brad Komminsk comparisons are valid to a point. The Braves proclaimed Komminsk a star in the making. For those of you who never saw him play, the guy had the slowest bat I ever saw! He didn’t attack the ball, he just swept the bat through the strike zone and posed at the end of the swing. Usually, the ball was in the catchers glove while he posed. Frenchy is much better than Komminsk, but I have serious reservations if he will ever become more than just an average big league player.

While I had my doubts about Frenchy’s long term viability as a big leaguer, I was hoping I was wrong because I’m a Braves fan and want to see the team succeed.

To Carroll and others who worry about the effect this might have on Jeff’s head, I say so what? If he goes into the fetal position and starts to doubt his ability to a point where he doesn’t perform, then he would be no benefit to the Braves anyway. Thats the problem with this team now. Too many head cases. Coming through in the clutch is something not many Braves are doing right now.

If Frenchy can’t handle the pressure of working through this in the minor leagues, then he isn’t mentally tough enough to help the big club.

Final note to Braves scouting department. Quit signing athletes (like Frenchy) and start signing baseball players.

By Sway Gonzo Sway!

July 4, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Horace Greely Shows how much you know about baseball players and southern girls. Or girls from any region for that matter.

By Andruw watch

July 4, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

0-5 w/ 4 K’s .159avg

By rupert

July 4, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

he should come up if he figured it out, wellman is one hell of a baseball man (only way he can pull that HILARIOUS scene and still be managing in the braves organization)when he says he is ready, he is, i think more than anything its confidence, i think too many people want him to hit the other way etc, with two strikes sure, but i think he is what he is, and if he had his confidence he had some pop, i’ll take jf from 2005 or 2006, don’t be something your not…

By Carroll Rogers

July 4, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

got upstairs from the clubhouse and had missed the fireworks. Well, happy 4th to me! …ok fine, maybe next year.

braves clubhouse was a happy place after the game given the win and all the heaviness round here in the last 24 hours.

i’m signing off after a long and interesting day. and i have to say, whoever thinks you guys just blog at work is just dead wrong. either that or all you guys had to work right through this holiday too. bum deal!

later taters.

By mch1nw

July 4, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this

I just hope Jeff can work through this and come back strong. It wouldn’t shock me to see him traded after his comment that this has “put a damper” on his relationship with the Braves. The past two years they’ve offered him basically the same contract that McCann got and he’s turned it down. Right now, he’s not worth McCann money.

By t

July 4, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

Frenchy grounds out to end game with tying run on base. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

By Andruw watch

July 4, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

Sway (that’s a sweet name), you don’t know jackšhit, you dumbasš cracker inbred. If you ever lived in LA, you’d know what I was talking about.

By Random

July 4, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the link to that 30 May article on Francoeur, whynot!!!

Here’s some excerpts to perhaps pique others’ interest:

Francoeur said his playing contract “will take care of itself” — as long as he keeps hitting home runs and knocking in 100 runs a season.

What attracted him to Career Sports, he said, was its marketing arm and the fact that the 24-year-old is planning for 10 or 15 years after his baseball career is complete. The agency represents 15 Major Leaguers, many of them with Georgia connections, including teammate John Smoltz and Manager Bobby Cox.

Francoeur earned those endorsements without the benefit of making the All-Star team or a long and impressive postseason. When those happen, he might be able to cash in even more.

Francoeur recently read an article about Philadelphia Phillies shortstop Jimmy Rollins, who is getting himself started in the music business.

“He’s being smart and setting up for his career after baseball,” Francoeur said. “Too many people get out of this game and don’t know what to do.”

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

From Wikipedia. These are Brad Komminsk’s career numbers:

* 376 Games; * 215 Hits*;  23 Home Runs* ; 105 RBI's * 39 Stolen Bases* ; .218 Batting Average

Francoeur : 479 games; 512 hits; 70 Home Runs; 294 RBI’s; 9 Stolen Bases; .272 Batting Averages.

So how is it that Francoeur=Komminsk?

Even though Francoeur has been a big disappoinrment, he isn’t anywhere close to Brad Komminsk.

By Logan23

July 4, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

Only 33 runs through seven in the Col/Fla game. 17-16

By kirknga

July 4, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

…And for the record, Francoeur=Andrew isn’t true either.

Andrews’ numbers ih his first 3.5 seasons were: 505 Games; .248 Avg. 436 Hits ; 80 Homeruns ; 257 RBI’s ; 74 Stolen Bases and 2 Gold Gloves.

In his fifth year he went .303/ 36 HR/ 104 RBI’s/ 21 Stolen Bases/Gold Glove.

Until his last two seasons, Andrew was a heck of a player, and even in those seasons his defense was outstanding.

I wish Francoeur =Andrew!

By Supes

July 4, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this

carol, did a fine job with the blog, updates today.

some of us blog right throught a hard day at work and continue on home. It’s not that hard to carry that laptop outside by the pool and BBQ come 4th of July time.

By Bama

July 4, 2008 11:45 PM | Link to this

Carroll,Horace Greely 10:52 post needs to be removed. My 10 year old reads these blogs and that trash needs to go.

I would replace TP with Chris Chambliss or Don Baylor, enough said.

Good game tonight. God Bless and good night.

By jeffery

July 5, 2008 12:02 AM | Link to this

everyone of those of us that follow the Braves diligently hear the negativity towards the “player Oriented” management so no one should even begin to utter a comment on this unless they agree. Who the hell cares what type of figurehead the guy has become. Don’t put that on top of his shoulders any longer. He is a ballplayer and currently needs a bit of ‘me time’ to focus on his craft without seeing ‘number 7’ jerseys in the stands all over the place and KNOWING that the commentators and websites are talking about him.Just some good ball and figuring it all out is what he needs it seems to me. Poor old Jeff even seems confused by the lack of concern and spacial attention he is getting for hitting from the administration being deep within a low road for the first time in his career. He’ll figure out both his mechanical errors AND that Wren and Bobby know what they are doing and it was all for the best . It’s gonna take him three weeks or so to get back to stride.Now , just how long this monster ego is gonna take to get back to normal will depend on how fast the knucklehead figures out this was for his own good and that he benefited from the experience may certainly take longer…. Still looks like ,unless he can toss 7 strong innings , even Jeff taking his fair share isn’t gonna help with this season much. Go Braves.

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 12:07 AM | Link to this

I would replace TP with Chris Chambliss or Don Baylor, enough said.

Just throw some names out there and run away that’s pretty weak!

Tell us what makes them better, if you’re going to fire somebody doesn’t it makes sense to replace him with somebody better?

You might as well said Samantha Stevens and then run off. At least with her we could all understand that it is her magical powers that would be an improvement over TP!

By Chop Chop

July 5, 2008 12:07 AM | Link to this

That’s right, kirknga. Those Francoeur=Komminsk and Francoeur=Andruw posts are ridiculous. By the way, I meant no harm in my earlier post. I just get tired of the “gotcha” game. A lot of the “fact-based discussions” that occur here end up devolving into that “gotcha” stuff. Anyway, keep the relevant posts coming.

Oh, you remember that hitting coach Clarence Jones was “offered another job in the organization” after the 1998 season, right? He’d been Braves’ hitting coach for nine years (since 1990). He was replaced by Don Baylor after a very similar regular season to the one Terry Pendleton’s hitters are having.

(It sure would be nice to have 4 30+ HR guys in the lineup now, wouldn’t it?)

I guess the only difference at first glance is that the team didn’t hit (.235 team average) in the NLCS against the Padres. It’s highly doubtful Pendleton’s pupils will be failing in the postseason, but that just goes to show (that team was 106-56…and changed the hitting coach???) that hitting coaches are easily replaced. Pendleton can be blamed (and fired), but odds are that the situational hitting issues the Braves have had this year are more of an organizational problem (since many of the players are young and former Braves farmhands) than a failure of the hitting coach.

For those who wonder what happened after Clarence got pushed out, well, Don Baylor took over in 1999. The batting average (.266 in ‘99) and slugging percentage (.436) actually went down, but the team made it to the World Series. Chipper was effusive in his praise for Don Baylor during that MVP season and Baylor got a managing gig with the Cubs in 2000.

By Greg

July 5, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

Should have shipped him out two weeks ago. Now the season is pretty much over and Philly is hitting its stride.

By Chop Chop

July 5, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this

Thanks for re-posting that link, Random.

Francoeur is going to make the majority of his money in his lifetime as a ballplayer. All of that other stuff will go away if he doesn’t become a player worth signing to a big contract. It’s good that he cares about his future, but part of caring about his future is focusing on the present. Gaining weight and doing football workouts have not made Francoeur a better baseball player. Seeing and hitting the baseball well will. I’d take the 2007 version of Jeff Francoeur any day of the week. That’s a contributor the Braves can win a lot of games with. That’s the kind of player that can get a big contract and be a viable asset (at least in the Southeast) to a PR firm.

By Mark T.

July 5, 2008 12:26 AM | Link to this

I read some of Frenchy’s comments about the demotion. I was really thrilled about it. I looked at it as if Brett Myers, who has more service time can willingly accept a demotion because he looked himself in the mirror and saw he wasn’t helping the team, why cant you do the same? He pitches every 5th day and you play every day, you have a greater impact on the teams success and failure than he does to his team. But, he has a right to be upset and/or angry about it. It is his right. However, I hope when he lays his head down tonite he understands that the big club had very little options left here. We as fans and the big club, couldnt continue to see you destroy scoring opportunites while you are attempting to find a groove.Why does he believe we as fans booed him? We want to see Frenchy succeed. Who knows how many games he couldve swayed for us if he come thru more often in those spots. We all know his numbers with the sacks full this year, all those scoring opportunites wasted because of his poor ABs. The numbers for him with runners in scoring position arent any better either. I am not saying it’s entirely his fault the team is playing poorly. But he has to accept a sizeable chunk of the blame. We were and are counting on your stick this year. And it was affecting other parts of your game as well. Pitchers were literally picking on you, because they knew of your struggles. Half the season is now gone, we are still lurking around, so we need you to turn it around and get it going. Make your adjustments, get back up here and make all those pitchers who were picking with you pay the rest of season.

By Roman Gal

July 5, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this

I’m really glad I went to the game tonight. I’m also REALLY glad that everyone cheered loudly for Mr. Perry. It was a great game…and the fireworks were AWESOME!!

By Joebrave

July 5, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this

Okay,Hare’s what we do withiut Francant,Win Win win!!! Sniper69, I’ll take Jed up on his offer, You Yankee skankee,Mutts lovin Cow turd!!! stats, Just what do You Flushing @sswipes Know about Stats,All Your team does is CHOKE,gag,Puke,shave each other’s @zz, and Choke some damn more….This is a real Braves fans Blog so leave our b*** to us!!If one of ours Sucks we pay the damn toll to wear his @ss out with Boos!!!Not You scumbag Pennant Stealing sonsabitches….If we chose to baby him that too is on us, but boy would I love to lay boot to some Scumbag Philthie,and Skanky Stanky Mutts lovin arses!!! And Who in the Rootie Poo is this other Douche bag radio wannbe?????Never heard of this pi$$ant before!!!!3:05 pm my @ss, boy the only radio you’ll be on is the Transistor in the back pocket of Your Overalls!!!@ss Kl;owns!!!

Jeff Francant, the annointed one, sent to Mississippi,Good,maybe Wellman can teach him how to throw some bases around…That Guiy is a damn joke too…

And for the Anal retentive klown that called me an Idiot,Yes Management is Heavily to blame for Frenchie’s failures…As in No One to back him up,No quality backup for Jeff,has caused this Prima donna,to have to suffer through this… And Dumb@ss where in the He11 is the Money,that is being saved from Tommy i can’t pitch Glavine,John the Senator Smoltz,and Peter Moylan,being spent????It Damn sure ain’t on the Playing field now is it smart@ss!!!!!

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 1:00 AM | Link to this

ChopChop

I got no beef with you. I just like to be real clear about what I say or don’t say.

My thing with TP is if you are going to call for firing someone there ought to be a clear reason for it.

I know it’s entertainment on tv now to see people fired, but still.

I do remember CJ and people hated him too. Baylor seem to do a good job as well. The numbers under TP have better, even record setting that’s a fact.

If you’re going to call for taking away a man’s paycheck then you should have the gumption to back it up with something I think.

By rupert

July 5, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

don baylor is responsible for chipper jones winning an mvp, so don’t hate on him, he’d be a hell of a hitting coach…

By Chop Chop

July 5, 2008 1:11 AM | Link to this

Joebrave,

If I were in charge of handing out Wurlitzers, you’d get one for that 12:52 post. I’ve had just enough beer to make me appreciate it.

Shine on, you crazy diamond.

By FIRERICHT

July 5, 2008 1:18 AM | Link to this

Jeff:

You are definitely not a Braves fan for wanting such a negative, cancerous attitude like Frenchy’s on the team. Josh Anderson deserves his due in right field! Frenchy is only mad that he rebuked the offer the Braves made to him, and now they are laughing all the way to the bank. Trade him and get a winner in Hotlanta!

By FIRERICHT

July 5, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

Jeff:

You are definitely not a Braves fan for wanting such a negative, cancerous attitude like Frenchy’s on the team. Josh Anderson deserves his due in right field! Frenchy is only mad that he rebuked the offer the Braves made to him, and now they are laughing all the way to the bank. Trade him and get a winner in Hotlanta!

By gayle

July 5, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

A good more, but it falls short.

I think it would have been much better to send Cox to Mississippi and bring up Wellman rather than just sending Frenchy down.

There is alot more work to be done on this team and as long as Captain Cox of the Titanic is running the ship, icebergs will forever be on the horizon.

By Donna

July 5, 2008 1:21 AM | Link to this

Sorry for Frency but disappointed in his remarks. No one can doubt his own disappointment but besides his hurt feelings, his comment shows a certain lack of maturity. Things have always come easy to him in the past and he is definitely struggling. But he would have been better off acknowledging his disppointment in himself and stating his hopes to get back better than ever than blaming the Braves. I’m sure he will rebound and be sorry he was so quick to comment. This happens to the best of them and a lesser player would never get away with a remark like that. He probably will get away with it but hopefully it will end up being a positive learning experience for him.

By MAV

July 5, 2008 1:23 AM | Link to this

JoeBrave

You may be the biggest dumbass out there. The money saved for the other guys. Who would you like to go get. There not saving money on Glavine, because he will still play this year and Moylan was making anything o begin with. Why don’t you go back to that trailor you live in and kiss your wife without teeeth and shut the F… up!

By uga-brave

July 5, 2008 1:43 AM | Link to this

you know, not one time did i hear in all his comments that i heard him say it might be better for THE TEAM.

it was all about himself.

look, for the BRAVES sake i hope he comes back and becomes a great player.

said so many times, and i have been proven right, this is a selfish guy.

he thinks he is beyond approach. in the head of his, he does not think he was hurting the TEAM.

the braves, and the media created this guy.

all that you really need to know is that his attidude is somewhat of entitlement.

no other manager would of kept trotting him out there everyday.

so what does he say, this will change my relationship with the BRAVES.

francouer has basically got a free pass, with the media and the coaching staff.

note to GOLDEN BOY, THIS TEAM will survive without you!!!

you may not think so, but check out your stats.

guess what they won today and they might win another game without you.

if you and your media handlers are smart you should retract some of your statements.

the BRAVES have been one of your biggest fans, dont whiz on them.

be humble and say how much you love being a brave, say i will work out my problems and i will be back.

humility may not be your best trait, but time to LEARN IT.

By Lou Vales

July 5, 2008 1:44 AM | Link to this

Those “trailor” and “wife without teeth” remarks always demonstrate a level of intellectual acumen most often found in a Major League bullpen.

A Little Reality—If the Phillies go 38-37 the rest of the way—pretty modest—Your Atlanta Braves must go 45-30 to tie them. See that happening???

By Shamus Thacker

July 5, 2008 2:09 AM | Link to this

What kinda hit did Stenchy get tonight? A swinging bunt that bounced 80-feet high?

By Robin

July 5, 2008 2:40 AM | Link to this

The Marlins score 17 runs last night …….and lose!!

OUCH!

That’s gotta sting a little.

Tired of the Frenchie talk, it just feels good to finally win again. Real good! Great game, happy for all those in attendance.

By jed

July 5, 2008 3:09 AM | Link to this

sick em, joe brave! sick em!

sniper69, you might want to get tested for rabies. at the very least, you’ll need an IV of anti-biotics.

By jed

July 5, 2008 3:14 AM | Link to this

and i dont know whose idea it was at AJC to post that picture of francouer in that ridiculous mississippi braves 4th of july jersey, but that some cold stuff. that aint right…

By uga-brave

July 5, 2008 3:31 AM | Link to this

HEY,

we finally led after 47 inninngs.

on this day our INDEPENENT DAY, we are now french free.

no other player in the history of the BRAVES, would of got this media attention.

this of a guy that has .670 .ops.

people get this, he was killing the TEAM, and he did not think so.

he is all about himself, pretty obvious now. bad way to handle this.

no one likes being demoted, time to pick up your boot straps, and quit whining.

bobby has been one of your best fans.

now that you have thrown him under the bus, good luck.

gonna be a lot of damage control going on.

By Bravo Nam

July 5, 2008 5:08 AM | Link to this

Braveheart

Laugh out loud funny comment at 5.09pm.

Francoeur to AA

Plaudits to the Braves for having the courage to make the move. Management had been harangued by bloggers for not making the move…well, it was finally made. Ultimately, it’ll benefit both the Braves and Frenchy. Frenchy’s benefit will hopefully be both in the skills AND attitude department.

I wasn’t a big fan of his supposed criticism of the Braves (yes, he should’ve been given more warning that this may happen…but otherwise the Braves did what they had to do). Sounds like he is a great guy, but that doesn’t mean he is magically imbued with humility…often life experience teaches you humility, and unfortunately for Jeff, he hasn’t had much experience in being humbled.

Braves fans are some of the more patient in the league and Braves management has been highly respected for close to two decades now. The Braves did what they had to do and Jeff needs to be big enough to move beyond the rejection and focus on his own performance…I sense he had a slightly overinflated sense of his value to the team…possibly even a sense of entitlement.

If Jeff is really about the team before himself, then hopefully he’ll come to realise that his performance was hurting the team, not helping it.

Chipper, Smoltzie and McCann have all given the Braves significant hometown discounts…they’ve not only talked the talk, but also walked the walk when it comes to true commitment to the city and the Braves. Let’s hope when it comes to signing a long-term contract Frenchy will show the same sort of commitment given his purported love of the Braves and the city.

By DAP01

July 5, 2008 7:16 AM | Link to this

In the AJC’s article this morning about Jeff, it is evident that he still don’t get it. He does not say, “I am going to work hard to improve”. He is like a hard headed teenager who is still being rebellous while being punished.

He is looking this fan very quickly.

Bring up Josh Anderson, he will have a better attitude and he will actually contribute to the team

By Ronald Millsaps

July 5, 2008 7:44 AM | Link to this

I hate when people show poor timing and a lack of observation. I absolutely can’t stand when people take a shallow view at something and think a quick response is to be commended since it’s “decisive.”

I think a lot of good can come from sending Francoeur to the minors, but you won’t find a more perceptive person than me out there,and I follow this team extremely closely, and I’ve been telling friends all week that Francoeur’s close—-very close—-to breaking out of his slump. I like how he said he didn’t attribute his hits Friday night to his demotion. Some might think that comment is based out of spite, but that wasn’t the case. He simply looked a lot better against Philadelphia than he did against Toronto. Even though he only got one hit in the series, he put the ball in play sharply several times.

I don’t like the way the situation was handled, either. Bobby said the other night that Francoeur wasn’t going to get sent down, but he actually was.

Francoeur’s disappointing performance so far this season is only a small part of the Braves’ problems so far this season—which seems to have taken a serious turn Friday night, thankfully. During the Philadelphia series, the offense was passive and stagnant. Gregor Blanco was on first at least twice in the series and was not sent, and Bobby can’t use the excuse that Blanco’s not fast. Double plays, which are a MAJOR problem for this team, occurred both times. I sat back and wondered why this team doesn’t challenge more.

I don’t want to see Francoeur made into a scapegoat. I’m not saying Bobby’s doing that, but a lot of so-called fans who know absolutely nothing about baseball have tried to make him into one. Let’s not forget that this man has played through pain numerous times and has had a bad ankle all year. (Ever tried to hit with a bad ankle? It’s akin to building a house on quicksand.)

In Francoeur’s defense, he has played through a lot of pain and perhaps has been overworked, similar to how Andruw might’ve been overworked in 2001, when a simple day off might’ve done wonders for him, and perhaps Bobby hasn’t worked hard enough to find the best-possible lineup for this team. Why Kelly Johnson, who is batting .377 (including last season), as I recall, lower in the order, has been high in the order almost all season is beyond me. Not having the right chemistry in the lineup is going to affect every other player in it, and to try to turn Francoeur into a scapegoat is not just wrong but completely unreasonable.

Back to Johnson, Bobby’s very patient, but he hasn’t given Johnson a string of games lower in the order, where he’s best-suited to hit. I also think he overplays the rightie-leftie matchup, but even if you want to use that strategy, why would you bench Johnson, who has, as I recall, the second-highest average of lefties against lefties, against Cole Hamels? If you’re going to make an adjustment, why not let Yunel Escobar bat leadoff that game and have Gregor Blanco, who was batting .208 against lefties, not be asked to get the offense started?

Bobby’s the greatest manager of all time. I’m not attacking him; I just refute his not shuffling this lineup more.

At 41-46, I really do think this team is up for a serious run, and it displayed a lot of true baseball characteristics Friday night. Chipper seems to be getting his timing back (you can lose it by pinch-hitting and DH-ing…not playing defense can throw you off), and I was glad to see Bobby send Blanco last night on the stolen base, just like I was glad that Blanco got aggressive and took third moments later. This style is exactly the National League-style that this team needs to return to, and I think the Independence Day and decorated-war-hero salutations inspired this team…as they should us all.

By Fan since 66

July 5, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

I have been watching the Braves make some really bad moves since Denny Lemaster ruined his arm trying to beat Koufax in 1966. Bobby Cox has been compared to Earl Weaver, but the old Orioles played with fire and Earl would get onto his players if they were not producing, not saying “get em next time.” The Braves miscalculated on this season by going with old broken down pitchers and signing damaged goods (Kotsay). The biggest problem has been TP as batting coach when Don Baylor has been available. They really blew it in the outfield by going with Diaz who is not everyday material and a damaged Kotsay (who is a very good player if not hurt—we will never know.) They continue to play their starting left fielder at 2nd base where he continually botches routine plays and costs his pitchers runs. The bullpen has been hardluck with unforseen injuries, but this is Bobby’s biggest fault, managing the BP or should I say overmanaging (toss the book Bobby and go by gut sometime) We need a sparkplug ala Kirk Gibson who played hard no nonsense basebal, but no one will step it up.
This is my first post and is a little long, but I had to vent. Skip needs to shut up, his humor has grown stale and he is already senile.
Go Braves, in spite of all, it can be turned around this year, just get a little confidence and roll.

By flange1

July 5, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Good Morning All,

Nice game last night from Hudson. We needed him to stop the bleeding and he did just that.

The bats woke up a bit last night, even with RISP.

DId anyone else notice that the team seemed to be playing “looser” than in the last few games?

On the Frenchy front,

Have had a bit of time to reflect on Frenchy’s remarks and read additional remarks from him.

I still think his reaction and remarks were WAY off base and he is still blaming everyone else for his struggles.

I was hoping that he would react like a leader, like Derek Jeter would and say something to the effect of ” I stink right now, I need to go SOMEWERE and figure out my swing so I can help the team in the secon half.”

Instead we get the AROD reaction, “This action has harmed by relationship with the BRaves.”

Maybe the problem in perception is MINE! Maybe I was thinking Frenchy could be our Jeter, when he really all along was our AROD.

Anyway, lets hope the energy from the new kid in right will help propel the team a bit.

And let’s hope Frenchy can work out his problems with Mr. Hand Grenade!

By Perception

July 5, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

but you won’t find a more perceptive person than me out there,and I follow this team extremely closely,RonaldMilsaps

Not that is really funny

By Andy

July 5, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Ronald Millsaps:

Worst post I’ve read in months. That was simply awful. Are you related to frenchy?? He was getting ready to break out of it? He’s been in it for the entire season, what the heck makes you think he was getting ready to break out of it against the Astros or very soon? You are bound to hit a couple of hard foul balls every once in a while, and that’s just we he did against Philly. You cannot say that his two hits last night are proof. He was hitting against far lesser talent. Gimme a break, buddy.

I was so sick and tired of seeing first pitch ground outs and 3 pitch strikeouts from him. What a nice welcome to RF Perry was last night. It was so much fun seeing a decent at bat from rf for once. Perry had great at bats, fouling pitch after pitch off, and hit the ball hard a couple of times, and even got a hit! I can’t remember Francoeuer’s last hit. Frenchy certainly can’t be the only one to blame for the Braves struggles. I don’t think anyone is arguing that. He has really hurt this team this year, though. He has been a rally killer. It was time to get him away. He will be back, so don’t be a cry baby and make excuses.

By Efrim

July 5, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Flange1

He was upset, and it was a rough blow for a kid that has never had to deal with failure. That said, that “action” was the right one for the Braves and for Frenchy. He was embarassing himself. Maybe he looked at his home runs an RBI’s and thought that he wasn’t doing that poorly. It is unfortunate that people don’t value OBP and SLG %. I’d rather not see Jeff until August. He’ll never succeed unless he can figure out the difference between a ball and a strike.

By Run Heap Run

July 5, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

OK gang suppose Perry plays his heart out, has a hot bat, and is doing everything right defensively. In “not more than 20 days” when the King of Atlanta has had a few hits vs. AA pitchers in AA ballparks I suppose the Braves bring him and his ego back (on a very large plane) regardless, right?

I can’t say the thought of that thrills me. I think Francine needs a heck of a lot more than “20 days at the most” to get over himself and learn that there is no “I” in “TEAM”.

Someone needs to tell him to shut up because every quote I read makes me pull for him less and less. At this point I hope he comes back and stinks it up again.

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

That was a great game. I’m real happy for Jason Perry. Loved watching McCann score on that triple, too…

Tomorrow we find out who made the All-Star Teams…I’m nervous? Are you nervous?

But I think McCann’s gonna make it. If the ESPN writers think he should be there, then the players must think so, too.

When do the players vote, BTW? Anybody know?

By Random

July 5, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Ronald Millsaps: “… as they should us all.”

Purty fancy writin’ for a blind twanger.

8-)

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Run Heap Run I suppose the Braves bring him and his ego back (on a very large plane) regardless, right?

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised. But ya never know…

However, I wouldn’t hope he stinks it up again when he comes back, because the Braves as a team can’t afford that.

Efrim—

August would be a good idea. Keep him down there for a longer while then they said they would!

It’s a team, Jeff, not a tiem.

I wonder if he got wind of last night’s game…and Jason’s first AB…

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

I’ll probably hit “post’ and the new blog will be up and running. :)

TommyP wants to review his offseason request he sent to GM Frank Wren (via this blog, of course) now that we’re at the midway point of the season.

The CF spot was vacant and lots of conversation took place as to whom should roam the hallowed ground that the formerly great Andruw Jones had done for many years.

Back in October of last year and forward, TommyP gave some free advice to Mr. Wren with these 3 candidates:

3) Cody Ross: Not your classic CF but holds his own out there in Florida. Currently posting an average of .250, 13 homers, 38 ribbies, .304 OBP and an OPS of .800. He hasn’t been starting all year but now that he’s playing everyday, he’s been absolutely raking.

2) Ryan Spilborghs: Colorado has kept him again this year as their 4th outfielder, spelling Taveras currently and also Hawpe when he was injured.

Ryan is hitting .305, 6 dingers, 31 ribbies, .410 OBP, .898 OPS and 7 steals.

Again, stats that have been accumulated while not playing everyday so far this season.

1) Nate McClouth: I harped and harped all offseason that this was the guy the Braves needed to acquire to play center. Like the former two players, the latter is extremely cheap and was only needing an everyday gig to show his promise.

Nate, despite slumping recently, is hitting .281, 15 HRs, 53 RBIs, .362 OBP, .885 OPS with 9 steals to boot.

All three are relatively young, VERY cheap in salary, and would not have taken much to acquire.

Instead, we all know we have Kotsay and he’s been OK but he’s also been his usual injured self. I believe he’s missed 5 straight weeks already and the ceiling isn’t exactly there like it is with the aforementioned 3.

Frenchy: He wanted more of a warning that he’d be sent down?????? So he wanted MORE PRESSURE to perform? He’s absolutely clueless.

He goes down to the minors, hits a homer that barely goes foul, works a long at bat into a walk and singles to the opposite field and then basically says, “I told you so” in regard to his statement that he was ready to break out. Again, clueless.

Jeff, shut up and do your work. As another person noted yesterday, Brett Myers, Dontrelle Willis and Chris Duncan were all sent to the minors and said all the right things. Duncan even has his dad on the team that sent him to the minors so what was he feeling?

As an aside, not that we need a backup OF but Jeff Salazar was reassigned by the Dbacks. Not a bad piece of insurance to have at the AAA level.

Mr. Wren: Gimme a call, baby. Or you can reach me here. :) Your Georgia Allen-constructed roster isn’t looking very good right now.

By Andy

July 5, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Run Heap Run is 100% correct. A few hits down in AA is not going to prove Francouer is ready for big league pitching again. These AA guys want to go right after him with fastballs and showcase their talent against someone who has proven themselves in the majors. They don;t have the smarts and talents of major league guys, obviously. Francouer will probably just come right back up here swinging at the first pitch grounding out, hitting into double plays, and striking out on 3 pitches. I hope that isn’t the case. I think he needs more than 20 days down there. I also think his head is just messed right now. He needs to figure out the strike zone again, as well. I really think he makes his mind up that he is going to swing before he sees the pitch. His mechanics are so out of whack right now. Again, he has a lot wrong going on right now, and I think it’ll take some time to correct, and putting a number on the days he’ll be down there is absolutely wrong. We are in no rush for his services right now. It’s great he plays every day, but I’d rather go with quality than quantity right now considering the rest of of the group not being able to pick him up. We’ll be fine with Perry, or whomever we come up with.

Frenchy’s comments also make me think he is selfish, as uga brave has suggested. I certainly wouldn’t be happy going to the minors after showing such previous success, but you have to be a team player. He wasn’t helping us, and hasn’t been for quite an extended period. His demotion was long overdue.

As for a solution, I’d love to acquire Xavier Nady for the stretch run. We could use some more pop in our outfield for sure.

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

some of you are still commenting on what francoeur said friday morning. in fairness, i thought you should at least see how he was feeling after the game last night in mississippi and what he told our tom stinson.

“I was upset [Thursday] night when I got home,” Francoeur said. “[Friday] morning, when I woke up, it was anger that I was feeling. Then by the time I got here, I told myself, ‘You know what? There’s not a damn thing I can do about it now. So there’s no reason to sit back and think about it.’

“My game plan is, if they have the confidence in me, which I hope they do, is to come back and start that Friday night after the All-Star break and get going and have a huge second half. Because I know I can.”

he also said this (still showing some fight. but having a little fight is what’s going to get him out of this, I think):

Francoeur said. “And I told Frank that in the meeting. I feel good, I felt comfortable and really feel like I was that close to busting out. I think I showed [Friday night] I was kind of right. I don’t think coming and the atmosphere was the reason I got two hits.”

all that talk about jeff not being a team player is malarky. if he were so worried about himself and his batting average why is he playing every day on an ankle that’s going to need surgery after the season? and why is he putting so much pressure on himself when he’s doing so poorly with RISP? because he’s letting down his teammates.

malarky? see what lengths i’m going to not to say a bad word? Mom are you reading this?

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Carroll, please…..spare me.

Francoeur said. “And I told Frank that in the meeting. I feel good, I felt comfortable and really feel like I was that close to busting out. I think I showed [Friday night] I was kind of right. I don’t think coming and the atmosphere was the reason I got two hits.”

So now he has an, “I TOLD YOU SO” attitude? He just….doesn’t……get it.

His comments the other day were one thing. Now he comes out with this?????

He simply needs to shut the hell up. I don’t know why he doesn’t do this.

Spare the ankle stuff, too, Carroll. If he doesn’t play because of said boo-boo, that contract extension he passed up in spring looms even larger now.

He’s a ballplayer. They ALL play less than 100%.

By Andy

July 5, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

A team player is one that is willing to sit himself down after he has killed his team enough. A team player does not swing at the first pitch and ground out after his pitcher has just really labored. That may be taking it far, but that certainly shows lack of strategy and consideration. His comments do show that he doesnt have an accepting team oriented mind set. He wasn’t moving runners over, either. His outs were not productive. Players have slumps, but he wasn’t even giving us quality team oriented at bats. Effort is great Carroll, we all expect him to play hard. He may be dinged up, but look at Chipper. He knows when to sit himself. A leader will learn from the best, and from what I can see, Francouer is not a leader. Someone needs to sit him down and tell him at least how to make productive outs.

By flange1

July 5, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Caroll,

Thanks for the update. I had read Frenchy’s additional comments in the paper before I posted.

Maybe you are reading something that I am not, but it still seems to much I and not enough team.

If his ankle is hurting so bad then he shouldn’t be playing in the first place. Is he so great that 1/2 of Frenchy is better than a full somebody else?

I know we ask our players to play through the little aches and pains, but if he is injured, he should sit until he is well.

Efrim,

I agree with you on the August return. I was in favor of sending Frenchy to the DL for the ankle, FORCING him to stay off of it for at least a week (IE NO PRACTICE) then take some time to come back with some time at the Disney complex, then a minor league rehab.

That route might not have caused his ego to take such a hit.

Anyway, he needs to work on his game and watch Bull Durham a few times and learn how to talk to the media!!!

By garla

July 5, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

as we all know, baseball can be such a wierd and humbling game. Did anyone else catch this from last nights game. Francoeur seems like he hasn’t caught a break all year. His replacement, at least for the time being, comes up and strikes out his first at bat only to get a break and have a ball that hit him be called a foul ball. Then he hits a ball that the right fielder misplays into a triple. It’s possible it may not have been caught but I think he catches it with a good break on it. So, instead of his first at bat being the embarrassment of striking out on a ball that hit him, he’s forever known for a triple. Crazy. If Francoeur handles this the right way, he’ll be fine.

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

ok tommy p: francoeur is selfish, only cares about money, would be sitting on the bench in pain if it weren’t for the contract. yes, that sounds like the guy i know.

you spare me.

By Efrim

July 5, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

CR

Two singles and a walk in a double A game makes him think that he is “right”?

I’m sure he understands this, but he is going to have to show everyone he has gotten better in the second half, not 5 plate apperances in Double A.

I don’t expect the guy to ever be a player that has a 900 OPS. But I do expect him to get back to where he was. 775 OPS, that type of average regular.

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

flange1, good lord willin, jeff will not watch bull durham. what on earth would we blog about then?!

By john

July 5, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

Carroll - any news on the whereabouts of Rafael Soriano?

By Braveheart

July 5, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Derek Jeter is a great player but …… did Derek Jeter volunteer to go to third base? He’s clearly the inferior defensive shortstop to Arod but Arod was the one who volunteered to go to third. Was that really in the best interest of the Yankees or merely in the best interests of the man, the myth, the legend that is Derek Jeter?

Derek Jeter’s stats are not so hot this season. Looks like he may be in decline. Has he volunteered to be dropped lower in the order in the best interests of the team? Nope.

Don’t know that Jeter is the paradigm of the perfect teammate we should use. Who knows what he would say if the powers that be with the Yankees had been brutally honest with him and asked him to do something his ego doesn’t want.

As for the rest of you, you sound like a bunch of perfect people who’ve never been fired or demoted or been dumped by a woman. Must be nice to be so perfect and to never experience the emotion that goes with rejection.

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Carroll, Carroll, Carroll. You’re letting emotion get in the way of sound decision-making.

Not once did I say he was “selfish, only cares about money……” blah, blah, blah.

You, like way too many others, are making this personal.

Maybe the problem is your 2nd to last statement in that last response: “Yes, that sounds like the guy I know.”

Step away from knowing him personally.

You come on here criticizing those that are getting on Jeff’s case by putting his most recent comments out there today when all that did was make it worse.

Brett Myers had to accept being sent down ‘cause he was out of options. He did it in a classy manner.

Dontrelle Willis did the same.

Chris Duncan did the same.

Frenchy keeps making comments that are absurd. Comments that are making him sound like a brat that doesn’t get his way or a teenager that thinks he/she knows it all.

He’s killing the team with his play. He needs to acknowledge that.

Nobody wants to hear how much a gamer he is for playing on a bum ankle.

Again, not many are 100% physically right now. However, Frenchy is pairing that up with the fact he’s about 10% mentally.

By Shaun

July 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Looking at Perry’s minor league stats, I realize what a great story we have here.

Perry is 27 and should have gotten a chance in the majors before last night. Here are his minor league numbers: .291/.369/.520. He’s probably not a star or anything much more than an average major league corner outfielder, but given his numbers, it looks like he deserved a shot before now.

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

efrim, i agree. it’s going to take more than a game. and more than two hits. and it also depends on the kind of hits they were and and what kind of approach he took. can’t see that in a boxscore….was just saying too that an “i’ll show them” attitude isn’t the worst thing he could have at this point. so show them. and get right.

and for those questioning JF’s teamhood, i’m not picking apart the words he said yesterday in anger to decide whether or not i think jeff is a team player. i’m telling you i base my opinions on watching him play for the last three years and knowing him as a person and from listening to his teammates, who might have a thought or two about whether he’s a team player.

i know what he said yesterday didn’t sit well. and i won’t argue with that. that’s not how they coach ‘em up in PR school. but again, i appreciated him facing the music. you guys say you want him to shut up, but if he was mum yesterday, you might have been wondering what he was thinking and why he wasn’t talking. maybe?

anyway, i’ve probably done enough talking in circles. i’ll holler from the ‘yard.

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Carroll: You’re right. I’m mainly questioning his PR skills.

You’re a reporter and y’all love the guys that are quotable.

But no…if he wouldn’t have said anything yesterday, we wouldn’t have wondered why he wasn’t talking.

There’s nothing he can say right now.

By brian

July 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Francoeur talks about 2 hits showing he was right and Wrenn was wrong. He says it had nothing to do with the atmosphere, etc. Does Frenchy think it might have something to do with facing AA pitching and not major league pitching? He is there to get his swing back on track (or actually on a good track) and to get his confidence up. The team sent him there expecting him to get his head straight, his swing straight, and get some hits. The team is rooting for him. Wrenn is rooting for him. Why does he have to come out and say that he was right and Wrenn was wrong?

I will again say that I do not think there would be such bitterness towards Francoeur’s comments if he hadn’t come across as a money hungry brat when he turned down the big contract that McCann accepted.

By brian

July 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Francoeur talks about 2 hits showing he was right and Wrenn was wrong. He says it had nothing to do with the atmosphere, etc. Does Frenchy think it might have something to do with facing AA pitching and not major league pitching? He is there to get his swing back on track (or actually on a good track) and to get his confidence up. The team sent him there expecting him to get his head straight, his swing straight, and get some hits. The team is rooting for him. Wrenn is rooting for him. Why does he have to come out and say that he was right and Wrenn was wrong?

I will again say that I do not think there would be such bitterness towards Francoeur’s comments if he hadn’t come across as a money hungry brat when he turned down the big contract that McCann accepted.

By Shaun

July 5, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

TommyP, there are worse things than a guy being upset about being demoted. To be honest I hope every player in the Braves organization is as ticked as Francoeur about playing in the minors.

From my perspective very far away from the situation, I’ve never seen or heard that Francoeur is any more selfish than most people.

How would we feel if we had been playing virtually every day in the majors for the equivalent of three seasons and all of the sudden got sent down?

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Shaun: You said, “There are worse things than a guy being upset about being demoted.”

I agree. See Shawn Chacon’s way of handling a release in Houston.

How would I feel about it? Doesn’t matter how I FEEL about the situation. It’s what I’d say to the press.

You don’t tell the press exactly what you’re feeling.

But that said, Franceour has been truly awful and is killing the parent club by playing everyday. Being sent down wasn’t an “all of a sudden” situation. Jeff’s been working on this for quite some time. :)

By Shaun

July 5, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

What I don’t get is where were all of you when Francoeur was called up in 2005 after posting a .322 OBP with 76 strikeouts and 21 walks in 84 games at Mississippi? Where were you when Francoeur drew 11 walks in his first 70 major league games? Where were you when Francoeur posted a .293 OBP in 2006 and posts a ballpark adjusted OPS 13 percent below league average?

I think most of you were on here posting that he’s the next Dale Murphy, etc.

Francoeur has always been overrated by a lot of folks and has never been a disciplined hitter at all. And now everyone is acting surprised that he is demoted.

Francoeur will be fine. He has the tools to be a pretty good player. He’s never going to be the superstar that all of you who have turned on him thought he would be, but he’s going to be a pretty good player.

By Joebrave

July 5, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Mav,You’re such a bad @ss, Shut me up Boy!! My wife in all her raving Beauty is of no concern to you,As a matter of fact little girlie man, She is a rather strikuing lady with all of her teeth,I hope one day she isn’t Your Nurse,Trailer,Really,as I sit in my comfortable Mountain Home that is worth more, than You will probably make in 10 years,I’d like to exrtend You an invitation to come off the Welfare Role and Take the opportunity to do something,with Your worthless Bud drimking life,You sir are a pile of Dung that I wipe from my feet!!!!

By Shaun

July 5, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

Brian, seems to me Francoeur turned down the offer because he thought he could perform better than what he had shown to that point in his career.

Also, I can’t find what the Braves offered to Francoeur anywhere? How do we know that he was money hungry? Could it be that the Braves’ offer wasn’t all that great? Unless we know the whole situation, how can we make a judgement about Francoeur’s greed. Also, I’m guessing a lot of you complaining would do the same thing.

That’s what I don’t get about some fans. Most of you would use a system to get as much money as possible, but you want to complain when a player does it. I think part of it is jealousy and frustration because you don’t feel a baseball player should make as much money as you or some other occupations. Well, it’s capitalism, folks. Like it or not, people generally make what they bring in. And when tens of thousands of people pay good money to watch you perform, you are going to make a lot of money.

By Efrim

July 5, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Shaun

I never called him the next Dale Murphy, nor did I fall in love with him as mch as some here may have. I also haven’t turned on him. He is an overrated player. The media, including the AJC, built him up to be something more than he really was. I also NEVER liked, and still don’t, the “he is only 24 years old” excuse. A .314 OBP is a .314 OBP. Can it and will it get better? Probably, but if he doesn’t improve his pitch recognition and discipline overall, it won’t get THAT much better. And if it doesn’t, than he won’t even be a “good player” as you said. Corner bats with .314 career OBP shouldn’t be wanted by winning teams. I’m sorry if that is too harsh, but it is the reality. I’m still rooting for Jeff and I want him to succeed and put together a 300/350/500 line next season or at some point in his Atlanta Brave career.

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

I wanna hang out with JoeBrave at his mountain home.

Joe: Where you located? You’re living my dream, bro.

By Choppinmama

July 5, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

From Carroll’s story on Frenchy’s demotion:

“He knows where the journey leads, he just can’t see it yet,” John Smoltz said. “I couldn’t see it when I was 2-11 in ‘91. I’m sure I was a start away from having the same thing happen to me. I told him I can’t experience what he’s experiencing, I can’t feel what he’s feeling. The only thing I can tell him is I can’t wait to see him in 10 days because he is going to be so much better for it.”

I love John Smoltz!

Let’s try really hard to keep him close to future teams when his body tells him it’s time to hang up the leotard.

By jim

July 5, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

What do the Braves do July 17th, if they go on a winning streak during these next 9 games, and Perry is contributing to this streak both directly and by supporting the rest of the lineup with some quality ABs? a) Do they recall JF no matter what he is doing in AA? b) Do they recall JF only if he is hitting well in AA? c) Do they leave well enough alone and leave JF in AA to prove that he has overcome his bad habits and corrected the flaws in his swing?

On July 17, after the all-star break, BOTH Diaz and JF will be eligible to come up to the majors. The outfield does not have a right-handed hitter right now except for Infante, who is more of an infielder, and Norton, more of a pinch hitter. When Diaz returns a roster move will have to be made (Gotay and Perry are the first candidates to go — assume here Gotay). Then the question becomes do you send Perry back down in favor of JF no matter how well he may be doing and how well the team may be playing with him in the lineup? What if you do and it doesn’t work out — JF picks up in Atlanta where he left off before he was sent down? Where do Frank Wren and the Braves go from there?

Even the return of Diaz is not so simple. He was not hitting when he was injured and had lost his full-time job to Blanco. Blanco has given the team a bit of a spark in the leadoff role and has picked it up against lefties also in the last two weeks. I assume that Blanco and Kotsay will be the regulars with Infante occaisionally spelling Kotsay ,and with Perry and Diaz alternating at the other corner. If Diaz replaces Gotay, the bench now becomes Infante, Prado, Diaz/Perry, Norton, and Corky. Only Norton hits from the left side when a righty is pitching. If JF replaces Perry, the only lefty on the bench is Norton.

By GooshMan

July 5, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Absolutely the correct move to make. He’s getting worse in his fundamentals, and his swing is changing every at-bat. Give him the playing time without the pressure in Mississippi, and let’s see how he looks in a couple weeks.

By Carpetbagger

July 5, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Francouer is part of the “ALL ABOUT ME ATLANTA” that glorifies and praises MEDIOCRITY (restaurants, ball players, politicians, dogs that die, etc.) This town and its “home-boy love affair” can described as “incestuous” (not like James Dickey’s Deliverance).

When Bob Horner was “sent down to the minors” what did he do? He was a MAN and told the Braves to go to hell, refused to be sent down and ended playing better. Horner acted like a real man, not like an “overrated home-boy” who has been treated with “kiddy gloves” by the home-town fans.

This place is a joke, and the joke is on the fans due to Liberty and Mquirk!

By Reid in EAV

July 5, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Ladies and gentlemen, presenting the man who’ll be helping Frenchy with his swing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TGZUKHtW7vg

By Run Heap Run

July 5, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

I don’t care if Francy watches Bull Durham, I just wish he’d watch tapes of himself. To say that he was really relaxed and on the verge of breaking out during the Phillies series? HA. Apparently he has not seen the tapes of his pathetic at bats during that series. Those were some of the ugliest swings that have ever been swung.

Better be careful you don’t break your arm with those pats on the back and the “I was rights” you’re giving yourself from those 2 hits vs AA pitching.

Quick. Someone send this blowhard about 10 cases of humble pie. He needs to eat at least one case for each day he’s in AA and then maybe we’ll be able to stomach his triumphant return (covered heavily by the AJC and PTV) to glory.

Fear not, Braves fans. Like a war battered solider our hero will return home! Viva la Frenchy!

By Andy

July 5, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

The media is at fault for making out Jeff Francouer to be the next franchise player, thus that is the reason for our such high expectations. He’s had a very good run so far until this season. In times of adversity you really find out a lot about someone. Look at Chipper and Smoltz. Chipper knows when to sit himself. He will even restructure his contract. Smoltz is the ultimate team guy and competitor. We have been spoiled in Atlanta, and have seen such great examples. We love Francouer because he plays every day, and up until this season he has had a knack for coming through in the clutch. We overlooked his poor plate discipline, lack of speed, and on base percentage. Now that he has struggled to come through in the clutch, play well defensively, hit for at least a respectable average, his other problems have compounded his overall image. He doesn’t even make productive outs now. His demotion is absolutely warranted as I have said before. I think most fans are upset he didn’t sign the deal because they want him in Atlanta. We all expect him to be a great player for years to come. If he won’t take decent money to stay here like McCann has recently done, and Smoltz and Chipper always have, then good riddance. I think all of the bashing, etc comes with the expectations we have. We have seen what he can do so we EXPECT improvement. If he continues his habits of this year, then maybe we should be glad he didn’t accept the deal. We shall find out how he handles himself down there. No time table should put on his time down,either.

I think Francouer’s effort and strong will are great, I don;t think anyone would disagree with that. What is the most bothersome is the why the was making outs and how lost he looked he looked. He wasn’t producing effective, team oriented at bats, and once that became apparent, he should have been sent down or sat down.

By jim

July 5, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

The future face of the franchise is now hitting 342 at Rome. He appears to have the patience, pitch selection, and pitch recognition that JF never had. He is still a teenager dominating in a league with mostly more experienced, older players, and it will be another 2 years before we can expect to see him in Atlanta, but the core of the team by 2110 should consist of Heyward, McCann, KJ, Yunel, and the young pitchers. Banco may develop into a good major league leadoff hitter to complement this core. Other prospects such as Shaffer, G. Hernandez, Freeman, … may also be ready to contribute by then or used in a trade to obtain other useful pieces for the lineup. If this scenario plays out, where does that leave JF? He will be eligible for free agency by then and may demand an exorbitant contract if he returns to the level of production that he has exhibited prior to 2008. Will he fit into this picture if he is only a complementary player to the core group? Will he be too expensive to keep if that is all he is to become? Unless JF quickly develops against all evidence into an impact star, his future seems to be more likely with another organization.

By fastasballs

July 5, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

What I don’t get is giving Jeff some sort of time table of when he will return to the Braves. That’s not good for him or the Braves.

He’s not on a injury rehab assignment & expecting him to find whatever he lost or didn’t have to begin with in 10-15 days is asking a bit much if you ask me.

I think the wait & see approach works better. For one he’s going to bust his butt trying to improve instead of marking days off the calander until he returns.

What he does now until the end of the season will affect what the Braves do in the off season. Jeff’s batt was counted on, not as much as Tex, but for much more production that he’s given this season so far.

By brian

July 5, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

the Braves offered Francoeur a contract very similar to the one McCann signed, but Shaun you are right in the fact that Francoeur thought he would turn into a superstar and that contract would leave him underpaid. He would be receiving millions for these years where the Braves can renew his contract in exchange for giving up a year or two of free agency (still at multimillions per year)

By Shamus Thacker

July 5, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

The same answer applies to every question about stenchy’s season.

(Q) Why has he sucked this year, and why is it that the more he sucked, the worse he sucked. (A) The pressure to justify turning down a small fortune for a long term deal was too much.

(Q) Why did he courageously play through ankle pain that requires off-season surgery? (A) Because he turned down a small fortune for a long-term deal, THEN SUCKED. Pressure to prove that he made the right decision is what kept him in the lineup, pain and all.

(Q) Why was he so distraught at being sent down? (A) Less major league games in which to prove he made the right decision in turning down a small fortune for a long-term deal.

You made the wrong decision Stenchy, live with it!

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

As for the game yesterday, as much as I enjoyed it, I could not help feeling some concern: the late inning run surrendered. If that were a close game, the lossing streak might not have been ended. Boyer and Ohman are way overused. This is going to be even a bigger concern for the second half.

By Roman Gal

July 5, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Hmm…I’ve never seen Bull Durham. I should get on that real quick.

What do the Braves do July 17th, if they go on a winning streak during these next 9 games, and Perry is contributing to this streak both directly and by supporting the rest of the lineup with some quality ABs? jim

I’ll tell you what they should do…send me a birthday card (money would be nice, too)

By tiger7_88

July 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

I ran the Peachtree, Carroll… if you can call what I do running. More like plodding. And I had to walk Cardiac Hill. At 45, I ain’t as young as I used to be.

Did you find that the Peachtree this year, after the halfway point, was pretty much all uphill? Was freakin’ KILLING me! :-)

By Lou Vales

July 5, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

The Phillies WILL go 38-37—At Least—Any disagreement?? The Braves will have to go 45-30—.600 baseball for the math majors—-to tie. Check out how many MLB teams currently playing .600 and tell me if you see any similiarity to the Bravos??

AND please don’t check your intellect and answer as a FANatic, but rather as a realistic avid follower of a baseball team.

Leave the FANatacism for those in caves in mountainous areas.

By DirtyDawg

July 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

I really think that the ankle/foot is at the core of most, if not all, of Francoeur’s problems. He’s slower at everything since it returned. Maybe it’s the extra weight that was supposed to make him into a ‘long-ball’ hitter. Maybe it was a misstep. Regardless, I think it may be smart for him to not wait until after the season to undergo the surgery - do it now. Get well. Then concentrate on changing everything - after he gets down to his ‘ideal body weight’, where he can move and react at his best. Get himself a private hitting coach that can teach him how to focus on the right side of the diamond - maybe Julio Franco - then convince the Braves and/or somebody else that he’s back…and better.

By DAP01

July 5, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

JF should not come back because his 10 days are up. He should come back when:

He thinks about the game situation before pulling the 1st pitch instead of going the other way.

He learns to make adjustments. Obviously he never has.

When he realizes that he is not CHARMED and he has to earn the right to play.

By Bama

July 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

The Braves send one nut case to AA ,where we have a crazy nut Mgr. to solve the other nuts problem. sounds nutty to me. Why not AAA where Viva La Frenchy has never played are is that to hard on the poor lad. I’m sure Chris Chambliss could help him.Oh, I forgot JF didn’t want nothing to do with AAA.

If Viva La Frenchy is the face of Franchise we’re in much trouble. If we don’t have enough already.

Run Heap Run, Like your name for JF.

By Lew

July 5, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

TommyP-Dude, It’s about time you can it. If Francoeur had not been upset with the demotion, THEN we should worry. Do you want a player who just shrugs his shoulders and says WTF? I don’t, but then I’m somewhat reasonable and you, not so much.

As for the ankle. Let’s get real here. How many times have you called into work (IF you have a job-I’m betting student?) because you have the sniffles, flu like symptoms, or just don’t feel like going that day? I would be willing to bet it was more often than Frenchy has missed games with an ankle that even some of the more dense on the blog have seen is sorely bothering him and restricting his usually excellent defense.

As for his not signing a contract extension? So what? How, exactly does that hurt the Braves? Seems to me that it hurts Francoeur a whole lot more. He’s earning in the vicinity of $400,00 this year-not all that much above the ML minimum-CHEAP (Andruw’s suck-@$$ season cost us $12 mil). He will be eligible for arbitration after the season. Do you actually see him getting the $10 mil award that Cabrera and Howard got (rhetorical question-you KNOW he won’t)? He’s also under the Braves’ control until after the 2011 season and if he doesn’t perform, there will be no windfall forthcoming.

Quit griping. The situation is what it is. He’s still a kid of 24. Have you ever met 24 year olds that really had a clue? Bet you didn’t-IF you’re even that old to begin with. By your posts, that is questionable.

Carroll-Try Bovine Excrement. Even your Sainted Mother couldn’t object TOO much to that one.

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Lou Vales-

It’s true that the math doesn’t look too good. But at this time last year, the math didn’t look too well for the Phillies either.

With Gonzo back to close, and hopefully more to return heathy or healthier in the lineup and the pitching staff, there is almost no way we can do worse than the first half. On the other hand, the phillies are a bit overachieved the first half, and it is hard to think they will do as well in the second half. So it is not an absolute necessity that the Braves have to be a .600 team the second half to make it to the playoff.

However, I have to admit that it is UNLIKELy , even if possible, that the Braves will make it to the playoff this year. And I believe the Braves’ brass should make their decisions accordingly as to buying or selling.

By Savannah Guy

July 5, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

An ironic twist to recent events. Coincidental?

Almost immediately after David O’Brien wrote “The Chosen One” lead, Francoeur was demoted.

Is he the Man In Black or the Price of Darkness?

MIB/POD?

By Savannah Guy

July 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Prince would be the word. Price is off topic for Jeff.

Hate it when a silly damn ‘n’ drops.

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy-

What a price-less “n!”

You can’t do without it.

By Savannah Guy

July 5, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

DCBrave… yep. Kinda’ changed everything didn’t it. So much for puch, uh, punch lines.

By Bama

July 5, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Savannah guy- Thought Bobby had that title. The Chosen One.

By bravos2249

July 5, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

With two-plus years of service time, Francoeur knows he doesn’t need to immediately gain a guaranteed contract. But Major League sources have said they believe he is seeking something similar to the six-year, $55 million deal the Mets gave David Wright before the start of last season.

In the 382 career games he’d played entering the 2007 season, Wright had hit .305 with 67 homers, 258 RBIs, a .375 on-base percentage and a .526 slugging percentage. “You look at his peers and you get confident with what Jeff should get paid,” Fletcher said.

Last year, the Braves signed Brian McCann to a six-year, $26.5 million contract. Next year, the two-time All-Star catcher’s salary will be $3.5 million, which is a salary Francoeur could project to make via salary arbitration next season.

“I’m going to continue playing hard this year and there won’t be any hard feelings,” Francoeur said. text to be linked

By bravos2249

July 5, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

With two-plus years of service time, Francoeur knows he doesn’t need to immediately gain a guaranteed contract. But Major League sources have said they believe he is seeking something similar to the six-year, $55 million deal the Mets gave David Wright before the start of last season.

In the 382 career games he’d played entering the 2007 season, Wright had hit .305 with 67 homers, 258 RBIs, a .375 on-base percentage and a .526 slugging percentage. “You look at his peers and you get confident with what Jeff should get paid,” Fletcher said.

Last year, the Braves signed Brian McCann to a six-year, $26.5 million contract. Next year, the two-time All-Star catcher’s salary will be $3.5 million, which is a salary Francoeur could project to make via salary arbitration next season.

“I’m going to continue playing hard this year and there won’t be any hard feelings,” Francoeur said. text to be linked

By RobJ99

July 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Don’t be p**, Frenchy! Just get your swing smokin hot and prove the doubters wrong!

By keith

July 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

I love Jeff and have been watching him since High School where I was actually glad to seem him graduate so his Parkview Panthers would stop beating my Brookwood Broncos at every sport he played! It has been painful to watch him this year though. If he was playing this year like the last two, the Braves would be in first place. It seems like every time he would get up, the bases would be loaded and he would start with an 0-2 count. If he didn’t strike out, he would hit into a double play. One RBI in the last 15 games! It was like having a pitcher up every time you needed a clutch hit. This was hard for the Braves and something Jeff would never choose on his own. It was almost like an “intervention”. People that love you and care about you and your future doing something that hurts you but is in your best interest. We all know what he’s capable of and he wasn’t swinging his way out of it and he wasn’t going to magically get out of his funk sitting on the bench so this was the best solution. Sending him back where he started before he became the Golden Boy to work with the coach he likes will hopefully help him rediscover himself. It should also help him appreciate where he’s been the last 2 and a half years because this will be a cold shower slap in the face of reality for someone who has lived a charmed life and had everything come to him with relative ease. For the rest of us mortals that spend the majority of our lives toiling away between cycles of getting knocked down and learning to get back up stronger and wiser, we hope this chapter in his life will do the same for him. We’re rooting for him and hope to see a new improved version of the old Frenchy soon.

By BA

July 5, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Vales, you mouthbreathing elderly retard, surely the end is near for you. Can you ask someone to go ahead and pull the plug? You’ve outlived your usefulness. For all your uniformed judgemental crap, you spend hours on end here on the Braves/MIB blog. But in all those hours, you never seem to come up with anything relevant. Maybe someone can just tie off your feeding tube and make the world a better place. You hear that, dumbazz? Tick-tock, tick-tock. Times running out on a worthless life! How did you make it into your sixties being this dumb? That stands as the only accomplishment in a sad, lonely life. Do the world a favor, call Dr. Jack.

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

BA

In all fairness, I’m not sure your 3:00 post is called for. If you don’t agree with Lou Vales, debate with him with your reasoning, which is what this blog is all about. The amount of time spending on the blog is irrelevant.

I’m affraid this blog has become somewhat R-rated, first by MAV vs Joebrave, then yours. I’ve been reading and enjoying your posts routinely, but this one, sir, cannot be appreciated.

By BA

July 5, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Thanks, DC. I like your posts as well. When Vales can post a coherent, relevant thought I will consider debating him. Until then, I plan on sinking all the way down to his semi-illiterate level. Not sure about R-rated, I try to keep my disgustingly frank insult blogs at a nice PG-13 level, so all the kiddys can read along. And I was kind of digging the JoeBrave posts. To each his own, I guess.

By Home in Hawkinsville

July 5, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Lou Vales

My wife and I really enjoyed your show when we went to Las Vegas. It was most enjoyable. The highlight for me was when you sang “O Sole Mio”. It brought tears to me eyes. And then your big finale - “The Impossible Dream”. I’m still breathless.

By Ken Stallings

July 5, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

The Braves don’t care what my opinion is, but I’m providing it anyway!

You spoke of it yourself, Rogers, the Braves have overused him. The daily grind over his three seasons has worn him out mentally and physically.

Bobby Cox overplayed Francoeur — no question about it. Then, when the man reveals that he’s — gasp — human, the Braves pack him off to AA and risk humiliating him.

Baseball’s always a tough business. But, that doesn’t mean the management has a pass to act stupid!

A disciplined rotation of the outfielders would have given Francoeur the scheduled rest that any player needs to remain sharp. It is doubly important for a young player who hasn’t had to experience the slumps that result when pitchers find your weakness and exploit it.

To correct the weakness requires a sharp mental edge, not one worn away because Cox thinks you’re iron man!

I normally preach Cox’s praises. But, on this one he’s the prime fault line. Cox said he cannot recall something like this happening before. I hope he considers the implications of that statement in his free time, alone to think of his own decisions. And stubbornly running a thin bench to cover for a fat bullpen is one prime decision Cox needs to reconsider.

Because if Francoeur returns better than ever it will speak of Frenchy’s inner strength. It won’t speak well of Cox’s management of this player. If Frenchy collapses, then Bobby Cox will give his detractors true ammunition to use against him, to rightly claim he’s reached the end of the line in his managerial career.

After all, if the Braves’ staff is going to cast players over the side because they get tired, then they should expect the same treatment in return!

By Lou Vales

July 5, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Dear DC Brave, Thank You for your kind intervention. I like to stir things up and really do it for people I know around the country who enjoy the reactions.Much of it is done tongue in cheek as i really do understand the compulsions that drive people to follow sports teams—I foolishly follow the Marlins.

Between you and me, if a licensed mental health pro or an FBI analyst read BA’s post what do you think his or her educated opinion would be??

I hate to utter an Italian oath(mother was all Italian) but here goes—On My Life and May I Expire Tomorrow if I’m not Telling The Truth—I’m 60 years old with a personal trainer who also uses an elliptical at a 9 mile per hour pace for at least 40 minutes at least 5 times a day—and I feel guilty if I miss those other two days. Have even done ads for Greenville Sports Club about importance of fitness—so there will be no plug being pulled in the near future.

I hate to disappoint you BA, but you have a nice life and just keep on kicking.

By fribbit

July 5, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

BA you are a stard. A true turd. Who are you to think you are better than Lou Vales.

Listen Baboon Anus - you are disgustingly frank all right - a hot dog coated with pig vomit.

Your drivel is wated here. Why don’t you go back to your animal porn site, bestial boy?

By fastasballs

July 5, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

The Braves playing .600 ball the rest of the way is a long shot at best. Possible? Sure, but nothing in the past three seasons have proved they can do it except for a few short stints, nothing as prolonged as half a season.

Along with playing .600 ball as a few pointed out the Phillies would have to play basically .500 the rest of the season, so will the Marlins for that matter.

I would be happy to see some sound baseball played by the Braves. By that I mean good defense, ability to move runners along, smart base running & general fundamentals that this has lacked a majority of the time.

How many games should the Braves had lost, yet won this season? Not many. On the other hand there is a slew of games they lost that they should have won. This goes along with the previous two seasons as well. It’s a team effort as well, not one player is the cause of the mediocrity. It’s a shared responsibility.

I just hope the front office doesn’t make a bunch of trades trying to salvage this season, unless they are for players that the Braves can control for years to come. Another outfielder with power would be a nice addition.

There will be a ton of money freed up for next season since Hampton & Glavine will be gone.

I think the biggest decision is what to do with Tex? If they stay within 4-7 games before the deadline I doubt he goes anywhere, but if they fall further back I would suggest trading him. Draft picks are nice, but if you can get a few stud prospects the odds are better they will help sooner than the picks.

They should be able to afford to sign him, but can the money be better spent? His #’s will be there, but he’s not Mr. Clutch.

By Francoeurphobe

July 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

In the not too distant future, Jeffy boy will need a new career. Here are some things I can see him doing:

• Traffic cop

• Bartender

• Delivery guy (picture him in those brown shorts)

• Little League coach

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

By Michael Trisler

July 5, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

I flew all the way from Sunset Beach Hawaii to watch that Philly series and obviously was truly disapointed. As an avid fan who watches every pitch, I can say that the team I finally saw in person for the first time in two years was just FLAT, dejected, almost scared, and unconfident. I would never place all the blame on one person, but when such a great friend, talent, and teammate like Fenchy is struggling so bad, it just depresses the mood of the team to the point where everyone tries to pick him up. And in failing to do so, things just snowball into loss after loss. I just cringed everytime Frenchy came up to bat. I sat in the SunTrust seats right behind home plate and his swing and plate approach was just aweful. You could almost see Kyle Kendrick breathe a sigh of relief when Frenchy came to bat with the bases loaded or runners on. We should have shelled that guy. Frenchy has struggled and it is probably for a lot of the reasons everyone has posted: possible regret at not signing in the spring, TP messing with his swing, injury, and just plain pressure to be Frenchy. I’ve had Frenchy on my fantasy team every year, I bought two Frenchy jerseys at the game just to try to get him out of his funk. And when fans like me start doing things like that, you know a guy’s struggling. When he’s 2 for 20 with the bases loaded, something had to change. Period. I don’t claim to have all the answers, but I’d say that this was the right move. Especially for the Team. Bottom line is that you just have to treat everyone fairly. No favorites. That’s always been a Braves Standard and I think that’s why we’ve had so much success. The guys like Perry down there busting it need to feel like they’ve got a shot at the bigs, too. That makes the whole organization better. GO BRAVES!

By Joebrave

July 5, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

let’s get this straight,Joebrave Hates New York,New Yorkers,Mutts,and Stankees,and if You’re in the category,Well ummmm oops,Me so sorry,You Suck get a life. Frenchy was stinking the place up,He is not a Bona Fide Superstar,anywhere,except in his mind!!!! Plain Facts,don’t like it too baddddd……

By MAV

July 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Ken Stallings

That has to be the bigest load of BS i have heard in a while. That puts you right up there with JoeBrave. What team uses an outfield “rotation” for there guys. None. Thats why they are called everyday players. IDIOT!

By Supes

July 5, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Wow, a lot of discussion going on about a AA ball player. Shouldn’t we be focusing on the big league team here and the players that are on that team right now?

Braves need to sweep the Astros right out of town.

McFann…if MAC isn’t an all star it would be a complete snub. I’m not nervous about it, b/c the NL players that have played/seen the Braves know that MAC has been one of our 3 best hitters all year long at a position where offense is at a premium.

I know Soto has been a complete surprise, and that Martin is a very good offensive catcher like Mac…but Mac has pretty much helped carry this team with Chipper for half a season. With all due respect to Soto, who’s been playing with the same lineup pretty much around him all year long, he’s not in a spot (pressure wise) to drive in, produce as much as Mac has been for the Braves.

If the NL carries 3 catchers, and I think they will, Soto, Mac and Martin should all go.

By Kev

July 5, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

i wish someone writes an Article about Geovanny Soto , despite leading , the one who CANT make the All Star…They’re not going to Carry 3 catchers…so IT ALL DEPENDS ON the Players and Clint Hurdle if our McCann makes his 3rd consecutive All star….i bet if Brian was leading the Voting for C….Soto doesnt even get elected by Players, Coaches,etc…Martin could easily be in front of him…i just pray to God that the coaches and players make the best choice…and i hope its Cann!….To the All Star we go McCann!!!

By Lou Vales

July 5, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

You know maybe I am sick, because what old BA said didn’t even offend me. How can you take umbrage at someone who has never seen you commenting on you physiclly?? A friend in Seattle called me and said you are touching some nerves. Well, that’s good, because Mike Hampton’s years in Atlanta have hit a nerve with me.

By Michael Trisler

July 5, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Signing Tex should be the Braves #1 priority. The guy has already won at least 5 games with his defense. I beg you to find any firstbaseman other than D. Lee who has all the attributes as Tex. So what if he costs $20 million/year. He’s worth it. In the clubhouse, in the middle of the order, as a teammate, as a fan draw, and especially on the bag. We’ve spent a ton of money on pitchers, lets spend some money on the best first baseman in the game.

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Lou Vales

One thing I wanted to make perfectly clear: I intervened not because I like you or your posts for that matter. The huge difference between you and me is that I am a wholehearted Braves fan albeit a clear-minded one. When I talk about the Braves, I use first person pronouns “we,” “our,” etc. You, sir, is an admitted Marlins fan. I’m affraid there is not much business for you here on DOB’s blog (or Carroll’s for now).

By Francoeurphobe

July 5, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

I bought two Frenchy jerseys at the game just to try to get him out of his funk.

But then you probably stepped on a crack and now Frenchy is jinxed for five years.

By Clemson Paws

July 5, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

hey ba(aka butt wipe), listen to guy’s show on Wed noon. you will howl your head off. as aClemson fan I don’t like what he says but I know he is always saying what he thinks. His calls to WCCp that does the Clemson games and Braves games actually made him well known in the area. funny as Hell. best I can figure he hates big city, underachieving teams that try to buy titles. Also does not like players being paid for doing squat.might not like the way he says it, but whaat is not true. And he never wishes anybody harm and people love him at remotes. what you said really stunk.

By Ronald Millsaps

July 5, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

“perception”—If you went and got that screen name to respond to my comment, I feel for you.

Andy—You miss the point. First of all, I never used Francoeur’s performance Friday night as evidence. I said he showed real signs of breaking out of his slump against Philadelphia, and he did. He looked more comfortable and more relaxed, and he did put the ball in play hard numerous times. He looked a lot more focused than he had in some time.

By bravos2249

July 5, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

McFann

I think that’s one reason why Mac’s ASG’s have been special. He’s gotten player/manager votes both previous times. This I think is the first time he’s come close to starting. He defiantly better be going. The NL team carried 3 catchers last year and with the AL team having soo many lefties…there’s a chance Hurdle could have one of the Catchers DH and one be the backup.

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

As for McCann going to all star game, I don’t have doubt. If the ESPN sports writers believe McCann should START the all star game, the players and couches should know him even better. So, we have at least Chipper, McCann going (or being selected) to the all star game, and maybe JJ and Hudson.

By Clemson Paws

July 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Dear DC Brave, I understood that without you saying it.

When you live in Greenville, SC you don’t have much choice but to be involved with the Atlanta Braves.

trust me if you ever go to the Ft Lauderdale Sun Sentinel you would find that my following of a team does not restict my RIGHT to bash them when needed. Like allowing a safety in bottom of 9th to lose 18-17.

By Greer George

July 5, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Never in my adult life did I think I would defend Sweet Lou as he is called in Greenville but for Pete’s sakes some of you need to get a grip. You should hear what he says about the marlins. He just calls it like he sees it and nice as heck to the callers but you better not call in acting like a fan. Sweet lou does not like fans he respects people who care about a team but who won’t bury their heads. he really hates the Cubs and for you braves fans he hated the wy they took over your stadium in 03 for the playoffs. he dedicated marlins win to the braves fans.

By bgvt

July 5, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

It seems like a no-brainer for the NL All-Star team to have 3 catchers:

1. It is a specialized position so it is good to have a catcher on the bench in late innings in case of injury. (What team would want its all-star outfielder, etc., pressed into service as emergency catcher?)

2. Given that it is the most physically tiring position on the field (hence catchers routinely get a day off), why push the starter to go 7 or 8 innings? The starter can go 4 or 5 innings, the first back-up can go 3 or 4, and keep the third catcher on the bench for emergencies or pinch-hitting in the late innings.

3. The NL has some very good offensive catchers so it is not costly to have a McCann or Martin on the bench as a late inning pinch hitter. This year might be different than other years when the catching ranks are pretty thin offensively.

I picked one simple offensive summary stat for comparison — OPS. Here is how NL catchers rank among all NL hitters:

McCann is 12th at .902 Soto is 14th at .900 Martin is 23rd at .862 Y. Molina (St. L) is 60th at .754 B. Molina (SF) is 70th at .746

One thing to note: both of the Molina’s are known for having strong arms (not a McCann or Martin strength).

As for the “every team needs a representative” argument, don’t worry about SF since I’m pretty sure that Tim Lincecum will be an all-star. The Dodgers are a tougher call: Martin might be the best way to satisfy the requirement.

The AL does not have nearly the same offensive depth at catcher, especially with Varitek having a down year.

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 5, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

JOEBRAVE

So your so successful and your wife is so hot that you and her moved to a “mountain” where your not close to any civilization and nobody can see you or hear you.

OK , we all say THANK YOU!!

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Lew: It’s about time (actually past time) for you to either engage in an intelligent conversation on the topic or keep to yourself.

You accuse me of being jobless and a student. I’ve told you before to grow up and the insults are pretty immature but….if I remember correctly, you’re pretty damn old so it’s probably too late to change your ways.

“It’s about time you CAN it?” LOL Or what, Lew? You gonna smack me around with your brushes?

Keep it mature, Lew.

By fred

July 5, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

I wonder if BA is JOE BRAVES b******* son?

Or just a b******* in general

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Rafael Soriano might finally be on his way back, folks. Talked to Frank just now in the dugout and he said Soriano took care of his personal business in the Dominican and went on to Orlando where he threw twice - both Wednesday and Friday. When asked if he was feeling that same discomfort, Frank said no, not yesterday. “He threw at our complex on Friday and looked very good,” Wren said. “(He’ll) just come back here and Roger and Bobby will take a look at him and we’ll see from there. Kent Willis who’s our minor league pitching coordinator watched him throw yesterday and said he threw the ball very well.”

By fred

July 5, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

I wonder if BA is JOE BRAVES b******* son?

Or just a b******* in general

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

bgvt The Dodgers are a tougher call: Martin might be the best way to satisfy the requirement.

What’d ya have to say that for?!? Sheesh…

Supes—

I agree. And if he does get snubbed, I’m telling you right now: I ain’t watchin’ that game! (OK, I’ll watch Chipper’s AB and if Jurrjens goes, I’ll watch his inning—and just ignore whoever is taking up the room behind the plate.) The players/coaches, I think, are smart enough to know all McCann’s done for this team. And if they’re not, and don’t vote him in, well, that’s just sad. Do guys get to vote for their teammates, and coaches for their own players? Prob’ly not…

bravos2249—

Good call: They cann carry 3 catchers—Soto cann be the backup that only gets used for like, two innings, and McCann or Martin could DH. (I’d say Martin be the DH, because I like to watch McCann catch, even if he can’t throw runners out for anyone ‘sides Timmy.)

I have to say, I wasn’t too nervous before…But, Ms. Rogers! What’d ya have to go and write that article for? ; P Just playin’ with ya…I think…

YOU, PLAYERS AND COACHES, DECIDE 2008!!

VOTE FOR MCCANN!!!

Please?

By KC

July 5, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

“Rafael Soriano might finally be on his way back, folks.”

OK, good… I’ll hold my breath now. =)

IF he can make it back, that would be HUGE for the pen. The bullpen lacks a setup man right now, and the closest thing we have (Boyer) is on pace to see his arm fall off by the end of next month, if they don’t scale back his workload. Same with Ohman.

I realize that many of the people who opine in this blog have given up hope, but it’s not over for this team. Not yet. And another late-inning reliever is a an absolute necessity for the Braves. I had given up on Soriano, but if he really can get back, that would be a tremendous lift for the pen.

If the Braves could actually get Soriano and Hampton back… the only thing this team would really lack would be a big right-handed bat.

Get those guys back, and get another bat, and I remain convinced that this team could make a very real run at this thing.

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

McFann: I agree with what you’re saying.

McCann is a sheer joy to watch swing the bat. Even last night’s outs were lasers.

The guy can flat out hit.

By Braveheart

July 5, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

I agree. And if he does get snubbed, I’m telling you right now: I ain’t watchin’ that game!

McFann, no one over the age of 13 watches the all star game anymore

By ncscoots

July 5, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

Lou, you might want to remember to change the moniker back to your original, after you’ve posted as someone else, touting yourself.

That way, while it still looks foolish, you’re not quite so easily found out for dead certain.

By GeorgetownKid

July 5, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

KC* Amen!!

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

TommyP—

So true! The only time it’s not a joy is when he strikes out—or hits into a DP. Man! I can’t believe those fielders got in the way last night! ; )

Braveheart—

Not true. We watched it in 2006. Last year we saw part of it (just in time for McCann’s AB). The reason we didn’t watch the whole thing was because we were at a concert. (Best concert I’ve ever been to! Well, yeah, also the only concert I’ve ever been to…)

By Random

July 5, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

TommyP —

McLouth is out — we don’t need another LH bat. Plus, he has horrid splits against LH pitchers — .255/.324/.378. (Yikes!!!)

Of Spilborghs and Ross, the former currently has great splits (.333/.443/.627) against LH pithchers. Do you think he’d be available? Could he platoon with Kotsay in CF?

Ross ain’t so hot against LHers — .247/.300/.521; actually, he ain’t so hot PERIOD. And Jeff Salazar is to laugh — you can’t be serious?

PS: Btw, imo your perspective on Francoeur is well within the bounds of proper discourse. Also you were engaged in a back-and-forth wit ‘rroll Rog’, not simply droning on or “griping”. Just let the nay-sayers say “Neigh” — horses’ asses do that sometimes.

By Joebrave

July 5, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

I refuse to get into an argument with an anal retentive,checkerpomoping scumbag, suc as captain caveturd,or Fred the Jack@ss!!! Both you Gwinnett county welfare recipients can lay lips to my ARSE!!!

By Joebrave

July 5, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

I refuse to get into an argument with an anal retentive,checkerpomoping scumbag, suc as captain caveturd,or Fred the Jack@ss!!! Both you Gwinnett county welfare recipients can lay lips to my ARSE!!!

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Lou Vales

Seriously, man, those two Clemson Paws pieces do not make you look good. How about that Greer George piece - is that also you?

By Jeff321

July 5, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

KC I agree about the bullpen and getting Soriano back would be great.. If he’s pitching well, because we already have enough guys that are clearly underachievers. With that said, if the Braves want to salvage this season, a right handed stopper is a necessity. The only two I trust down there are Gonzalez & Ohman, period. And would like to see Stockman back to take either Boyer or Acosta’s spot immediately.

By Chop Chop

July 5, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

This Chop Chop fella sure is great.

By BayAreaSteve

July 5, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

scoots….nice catch, sir.

That was hilarious.

Too bad I can’t catch ol’ Lou’s show out here on the left coast.

By KC

July 5, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

I’m sure this post will provoke a few sarcastic retorts from the “face it, it’s over” crowd… but here’s how I see it.

The Braves still have a good shot at the NL East for the following reasons:

1- First of all, the Phillies are no juggernaut. There is a great chance that this division will once again be won with less than 90 wins. I realize we made Kendrick and Eaton look like CY Young candidates earlier this week, but… they’re not. After Hamels, their rotation is not particularly good, and that’s what is responsible for the bipolar personality of that team.

2 - Neither the Mets nor the Marlins seem to have the pieces needed to go on any great run (though the Mets could surprise us).

3 - There is still plenty of time. There are well over 70 games remaining, including 9 more head to head with the Phillies.

4 - The Braves pitching (particularly if Hampton and Soriano can make it back – but even if they don’t) can serve as a solid foundation for a great second-half run if the offense can do its job.

5 - We haven’t seen this offense at its best. This lineup has as many or more weapons than several of the division winning Braves teams. An offense with Chipper, Tex , and McCann in the middle, and several other solid hitters… is certainly capable of more than what we’ve seen.

6 - The Braves have both the financial resources and depth of talent to deal for any missing pieces, most notably, a big right-handed bat.

It ain’t over yet. Gotta go at least 5-3 between now and the break… 6-2 would pull them within a game of .500, and would likely help them make up a couple games in the standing before the break.

If the Braves can take care of business against the Stros, Dodgers, and Padres, we shouldn’t be in terrible shape at the break.

By Chop Chop

July 5, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

He sure is. Thanks, Chop Chop.

Lou, just keep the same nickname and build yourself up. It’s more honest, ya know?

By Joebrave

July 5, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Lew, precisely couln’dt have said it better myself,olFrancant, ain’t hurting noone now but himself! He made the boo boo, and it’s only costing Him.Kinda makes the Bravos look Smart for Lowballing him,Oh but I forget,he’s special,from Gwinnett,He deserves it even if he falls on His @zz!!!!

Something about You Gwinnett sewer dwellars,are You all Headcases,out there????? To get Paid You have to PERFORM,which,is clearly something Francant,hasn’t done!!! Albeit that’s why Smiley is in Mississhippy!!!!

By KC

July 5, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

Jeff321: I would also like to see what Stockman is capable of at the major league level. However, it does not appear that Stockman has pitched since being sent back down, and I haven’t been able to get an answer from anyone as to why. Could be hurt. Don’t know.

I think Boyer, Ohman, Soriano, and Gonzo for the late-innings would probably be enough to get it done… though it would help a LOT if they could get one more proven middle-reliever out there in addition to getting Soriano back.

Also, when Hampton returns (assuming he does), Morton or Campillo could be moved to the bullpen, which would add some depth. Though Morton might end up back at AAA to continue getting consistent work as a starter.

By Lew

July 5, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

TommyP-You wouldn’t know or understand maturity if it bit you on the ankle. All you do is to continually criticize, downgrade and in general just rip players as if they’ve done you personal harm.

I tried to point out to you that Francoeur has had nothing more of a negative reaction than any of us would have were we to be demoted-from a job, our profession we’ve worked so hard at, or even made to stay back a year in school like you obviously were.

I also pointed out that he isn’t costing us all that much in the way of salary after you implied that he was hurting the team by not singing long term. If you really believe he is the root cause of the Braves’ record and not capable of coming back from a SLUMP, then you should be quite happy he DIDN’T sign long term. Of course, that would require logic as opposed to a knee jerk reaction and running off at the mouth-something you are apparently incapable of (logic, that is-you run off at the mouth quite well).

You denigrate the guy because he has an ankle injury that may require surgery-something Francoeur has never claimed publicly-it all comes from writers and fans who are aware of his pain, but never Jeff. On the contrary, all he has done is ask to play every day and try to work his way through his difficulties. Could or would you play as well as he has if you had a similar injury? Your attitude is infinitely more crass and reprehensible than anything I may have said that you took such extreme umbrage at, so I guess at worst, I’m not much worse than you, you flipping hypocritical jack@$$.

Of course, you didn’t bother to read far enough into what I said to realize I HAD made some points about the situation, did you? You only concentrated on what you felt were insults (though you’re quick to insult Frenchy and others). You accuse me of being old and compared to the obvious juvenile idiocy you routinely exhibit, I guess I am.

Maybe some day you’ll grow up too and look at a similar situation and see a person trying very hard to right what has gone wrong.-a player who has never complained about being overworked, tired, or unwilling to work at whatever is necessary. YOU would do well to learn from this situation yourself, instead of ripping a guy who has given all he has.

By I'm not Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 5, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this

I really feel that this Caveman fella has his finger on the pulse of the blog. He is so insightful and eloquent with his posting.

I wish I could have seen him play ball when he was younger, I bet he was AWESOME!!

By KC

July 5, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

DAMNIT!!!!!!!! Letting the other team jump out in front early… AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By SoWeGa Fanatic

July 5, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

All of a sudden, Soriano doesn’t hurt anymore? Wonder what he found back home?

By Robin

July 5, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

WOW

Blanco’s showing off that gun he’s got huh?

Unbelievable! My little sis could blow his doors off from LF!

Oughta be a law dang it!

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

July 5, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

Hey — thanks for the compliment “not me”.

Once again JoeBu-t-t — thanks for moving to the mountain. With the water shortage it helps to not have to flush all of your crap everyday.

BTW - were you and you wife related prior to marriage?? Just curious.

By COdy

July 5, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

OCTOBER 28th headline for the AJC. Injuries Doomed Early, Talent Prevaled. The headline for the second world championship for atl history.

By jbutler

July 5, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

KC I agree w/your assessment on NL East…its not done..even though there’s times its seemed like the Braves were ready to put a fork in..but unless something completely unravels, or the Phils/Mets step up big time- its still open

McFann I hate to say it..but I wouldn’t be too surprised if McCann doesn’t get the nod…Not because he’s not worthy…(truly, what sports All star game is really about worthiness and not a popularity contest?) Sometimes players will get put on one year, if they were snubbed the year before. Smoltz got on one year when he was 8-8 at the break, but had a wicked post-season year before. The NL coach said that’s why he got on. I hope I’m wrong - just to save your major disappointment, but just in case…

By ThisIsNotLouVales

July 5, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

C’mon guys, lay off Lou. Or “sweet Lou” as he’s known here in cosmopolitan Greenville. The guy has some awesome riffs on the Marlins, and he’s heard far and wide on the 50 watt blowtorch of the south, WCCP (soon they will have a functional website and actually originate much of their own content)…when he’s not doing his 9 mph stairmaster workouts and regailing friends and strangers alike with stories of millions made in the stock market.

By Robin

July 5, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

Looks like J.J. is having another “off” day. Sheeeesh! Can’t close the door when he gets ahead.

Nice pick by Perry though. J.F. wouldn’t have reached that.

By Random

July 5, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

‘At’s right, KC, I’m with you.

IT AIN’T OVER!!!

The Braves themselves know that. We should buy a clue from them.

McFann went to a concert!?! Who was it, The Gospel Lads?

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

It appears it’s going to take 8-10 runs if the Braves have any shot at winning tonight.

Problem with young pitchers—-consistency! Good game, bad game, good game, bad game, etc!

Time for a big rally, better get the bats going.

By Braveheart

July 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

McFann went to a Hanson concert?

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

jbutler—

Yeah, yeah…I am sooooo not ready for 2 o’clock tomorrow…

The players and coaches oughta be smart enough…but I’m not so sure…

And like I said: If he gets snubbed, no All-Star Game watching for this fann!

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

you see that catch mcfann?? nice.

By Not So Random

July 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

I like the way that Random guy uses links that no one clicks so that no one knows what he’s talking about

By Joebrave

July 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

Twice Captain cave$hit,One more time,Leave my Wife the he11 out of this You putrid little a*******eating Sonofabitch!!! Some People take things a little too far ,But I damn well ain’t tolerating no Illeterate glory holing B@STARD, belittling my Wife!!! Stick to me you @ssjockey, She is way over your Broke @ss Head!!!!!!Ignorant Buttflea!!!

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

Random—

Nope. It was Lee Greenwood, Charlie Daniels, and Montgomery Gentry. It was great!

By Savannah Guy

July 5, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this

Did Chipper have to reach through McCann’s mask then thread his arm through Mac’s chest protector while spinning just at the right time to make that catch? Wow!

Chipper the contortionist.

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this

Random: I wasn’t saying that we need to go out and trade for those 3 players now. I was bringing up the 3 guys I said the Braves needed to deal for BEFORE the season began. It was an offseason thing.

I said Jeff Salazar wouldn’t be a bad minor league signing. Depth, that’s all. He’ll never be a regular but he’s not a bad backup to have around at the AAA level.

Your last point: I hear ya, brotha.

Lew: I’m not going to get into this back and forth crap that you do with so many on here.

You don’t respond to my posts and I won’t respond to yours.

That last post of yours was simply embarrassing.

By KC

July 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

Of course, as soon as I post something about the Braves still having a legitimate chance, they reward my faith with bad starting pitching and anemic offense against someone they should be hitting hard.

Nice.

By Lew

July 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

OK-You can have the last word.

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Good observations KC.

I think we’re already starting to see people come around on the idea that having 4 rookie starters is not the best option available to the Braves.

By Lew

July 5, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

Meaningless as it may be.

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

Yeah, that was a very nice catch.

Just about the nicest thing to happen in this game—that, and it’s not a no-hitter for Sampson.

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

About my earlier post—nevermind.

Forgot to notice that Chris “Cy Young” Sampson was throwing tonight.

Sheesh! This guy is even better than Adam Eaton!

By Braves20

July 5, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

Same old same old. Braves make a pitcher hanging by a thread to his major league career look like Cy Young.

BTW has our outfield defense taken abot ten steps backward. Makes you pine for Matt Diaz’ glove.

By Robin

July 5, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

I don’t CARE about Gregor’s lead-off work, get him OUT of the outfield! He’s killin’ us out there!

My gawd!

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

fans are doing the wave as jo-jo reyes gets the ball taken from in with one out in the fifth. he’s walking off the field to cheers as the wave goes by. bizarre. guess the ole fans aren’t exactly paying attention to the game.

By geauxbraves2000

July 5, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Just when you think you may have righted the ship, a rogue wave comes along.

Oh well, still some time.ra

Geaux Braves!!

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

wow, now that is one unique way to get out of a jam. wild pitch to the backstop that bounces all the way out to tex and he guns Loretta out at home. lineout by tejada. inning over.

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this

Nice play at the plate!

The ball bounced all the way to Tex! That was one of the funnier things I’ve seen this year!

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

WHOOOOOOOO!!! B-MAC!!!

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

just heard the line on hampton from myrtle beach….5 scoreless innings, five hits, six strikeouts, no walks….

next up would be a start in Mississippi on Thursday i believe.

By geauxbraves2000

July 5, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

BMac!

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

Hey McFann

McCann says take that Chris “Cy Young” Sampson!!!!!

By stynes

July 5, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

Gotta have a new blog with everything going on and all the comments… and where on earth is DOB in the middle of all this? Someone keep us sane.

Jeff’s comments were obviously coming at an extremely emotional time. Everyone has to be able to understand that. But it’s also in my humble opinion a telling sign of a lack of maturity. A lot of us work in a “business” world. And maybe we don’t get paid as much money or have as much press and have to deal with it in a public forum, certainly we all have to deal with disappoints.

I’m going to have to disagree with Carroll. I’ve been “sent to the minors” before in my job. And while I may have felt like telling my boss he was making a big mistake and so on and so forth, there’s no way in the world I would have. Hopefully this isn’t a sign of Jeff having some sense of entitlement like he’s too good to go to the minors and work on some issues.

Hopefully Chipper and Smoltz will slap him around a little bit. Maybe Diaz being there can give him something of a more veteran approach to things. It’s a business, the Braves organization cares about Jeff and his future success as do the fans. They all want to see him succeed and certainly Jeff wants to succeed. Anyone that’s said Jeff isn’t a team player or is only about the individual stats is an idiot or not paying attention or maybe both. What he is is a little immature in some respects and managing his ego in the face of such struggles is one of those instances. Hopefully he can get things in check before the situation with the front office is made worse, get his swing back on the right track, and be getting 2 hits a game for the Braves in Atlanta instead of Mississippi.

Good luck Jeff and go Braves!

By Jeff321

July 5, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

Mississippi Braves action:

Diaz - single

Frenchy - single/drove in run

That wild pitch by Acosta was pure luck.. Good play by McCann. So, has Cox already gave up on this game? Because the only thing I’d use Manny Acosta for is to hawk souvenirs in the stands!

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this

Why Us—

That’s for sure!

Makin’ a case for, well, you know…

By KC

July 5, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

kirknga: While the future is bright, and I think all of the young starters in the rotation are major league ready… they’re not as accomplished, of course, as a Hampton or Glavine.

So yeah, I agree… I think we are starting to see the importance of Hampton and/or Glavine making it back this year.

Meanwhile… we continue (with the exception of Mac’s shot) to make Sampson look like Brandon Webb. And we’ve done all we can to keep his pitch down and not inconvenience him.

Ridiculous.

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

That is two Ks for Perry, now showing his “minor” strenth.

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

Great news about Hampton. Sounds as if the pectoral muscle has healed. He’ll be a welcomed addition to the rotation.

By Lou Vales Haiku

July 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

A fond adieu, Lou Vales

Had many fans on the Blog

All of them Lou Vales

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

Can ya believe it? BB Gods finally smile on us with a WP?

Now here’s what we need to do to wake up this team & the crowd.

Manny, plunk some Astro, stick em!

Let the brawl get it on! We need something drastic to get some life back into the Braves!

By McFann©

July 5, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

What a great play by Tex! he’s having a good night with the glove…

OK, c’mon, guys! Score some more runs!

By Robin

July 5, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

Manny needed that 1-2-3 inning. He looked good. Lets get some crooked #’s up there whaddaya say!

By beachcomber

July 5, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

Wow - This old geezer has watched hundreds and hundreds of games and never seen a play like that wild pitch.

That’s the beauty of this game - just when you think you’ve seen it all…

By Francoeurphobe

July 5, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

Come on people.

Jeffy boys’ baseball career is coming to an end soon. We need to find him a job.

Is there someone out there who owns a restaurant? Maybe you could give Jeff a job waiting tables.

Oh, that won’t work. You have to know arithmetic to make change.

How about busboy? I bet he could do that.

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

This isn’t right!

Now Tim “Walter Johnson” Byrdak blows us away (except that GB rolls a grounder thru).

Great! Now Astros have “Sandy Koufax up in the pen.

“Bob Gibson” & “Warren Spahn” are loosening up as I blog!

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Nice stroke of good luck for Acosta. He’s given up runs now in only 10 of his 40 appearances. That’s hardly someone who should be “hawking souvenirs”.

It amazes me how people call for the guy, another rookie, to take a lesser role, and when he does well you still complain.

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Oh Phooey!

By ijonathan

July 5, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

what a feeble, anemic, pathetic offense tonight against highly mediocre pitching.

By Francoeurphobe

July 5, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Buddy Carlyle for the ALL STAR TEAM!!!

Smokin!

By LT-AA Blogger

July 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

Hampton may be coming back, Glavine may be coming back, and Soriano may be close to a return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All of which would matter to a team that could produce runs. Unfortunately, this line up sucks as a whole.

What can we get for Tex? Does his free agent/Scott Boras association diminsh his value?

By Francoeurphobe

July 5, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

From the Thomas Stinson article:

“Francoeur welcomes Wellman’s assistance”

“It was nearly midnight. Francoeur was crying.”

There’s NO crying in baseball!

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

*Meanwhile… we continue (with the exception of Mac’s shot) to make Sampson look like Brandon Webb. *

What’s really amazing is an offense that is very similar to last years squad that produced 849 runs in 2005 and 801 runs last year. Both years the Braves scored more runs than all but two teams in the National League.

Now only 5 teams have scored less than the Braves. Similar team different results.

By Jeff321

July 5, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

kirknga — Yeah, good thing that wild pitch bounced to Tex or I would’ve been complaining about Acosta giving up more runs.

Actually though, I forgot all about Buddy Caryle. (When I mentioned earlier only trusting Gonzalez & Ohman in the pen.) Because he actually has pretty good stuff. What I fail to understand is why we always need to have a couple lamers in the bullpen.

By A-ville Ranger

July 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

I just read Frenchy’s latest comments and he’s lost me.The guy needs to get that silver cob out of his royal butt.He’s acting like a complete brat.He wasn’t ”betrayed”,call it a demotion or say it’s for his own good.The guy is an employee,a highly paid one but still just an employee.If he feels his spoiled brat feelings are too hurt,trade his brat a$$.

By Braves20

July 5, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

One positive note. Bennett has made it a very easy decision as to who goes when Soriano returns.

By DCbrave

July 5, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Buddy Carlyle, he should deserve some all star consideration for his numbers.

By Jeff321

July 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

Jeff Bennett, eh? Couple walks, hits, runs, what else could you ask for?

By Shamus Thacker

July 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

Bring back Stenchy!

Bring back Stenchy!

Bring back Stenchy!

During a season like this, we could use more laughs courtesy of our bumbling right fielder.

By jbutler

July 5, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

McFann Bad news there sister…just saw a story on MSNBC that leaks all the starters for the game tomorrow..Looks like Soto is in for sure- didn’t give backups.

But at least Chipper will get a deserving nod…hang in there little friend.

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Jeff321 I’m sorry but I saw Buddy pitch last year and the more he pitched the worse it went. Perhaps that why Bobby is using him sparingly.

Again, I can’t understand why an offense that produced the 3rd most runs two seasons in a row is so ineffective now. Are we to believe that Andrew, Renteria, and Thorman are better than what we have now at those positions?

By Mike

July 5, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

The Braves need to make a move for cc sabathia,and trade Tex.

By Random

July 5, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Lou — and you just better believe that ncscoots knows what he’s talking about in this regard!!!

McFann —

Don’t you worry yourself none about when (or how) the players and coaches vote — are you ready to vote again tomorrow?

Starting rosters will be announced during the 2008 All-Star Game Selection Show presented by Chevrolet on TBS on Sunday, July 6. Then the mayhem simply continues. Baseball fans around the world will then be able to select the 32nd and final player on each team via the Monster 2008 All-Star Final Vote at MLB.com.

You knew about that, right? You go, grrrrrl — we’re witcha!!!

Oh, in case you haven’t found out when the palyers vote:

The Player Ballot has been ongoing during the course of this week, with all active Major League players given a chance to do their own decision-making just like fans have done the last two-plus months.

Your name above is linked to an article on mlb.com with even more info.

PS: MLB apparently knows people are “cheating”:

Every fan can cast up to 25 online votes per e-mail registration, and more seem to be doing just that — and then using other e-mail addresses.

PS: I tried posting this hours ago, before my Lads jab. Read this before you go to bed.

By Choppinmama

July 5, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

Another lousy loss.

Can I be the first to start the bloggage re: the All Star game…………

…….exhibition game or ONE THAT COUNTS?

By Robert S

July 5, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Is it just me, or is almost every game following the same tired formula? The Braves go behind, get a run or two later in the game to keep it close, only to watch the game go out of reach in the ninth because of a dodgy bullpen?

And folks, let’s face it - the Astros didn’t exactly throw some quality arms out there tonight. No worries for these guys when they face the Braves’ bats. These clowns can make any ol’ second-rate pitcher look great.

Hampton and Soriano may come back soon, and Diaz and a hopefully rejuvenated Frenchy may join them as well after the break, but methinks it may be too late to even consider being a buyer at the trade deadline. May as well get some pieces for Tex to fill out the farm system.

These guys just look listless and dull out there…….

By jbutler

July 5, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

A-ville In this pampered-overpaid-overindulged world that major leaguers play in…is it any wonder that this is his reaction? I still believe he was lashing out, and his age/ego caused him to speak out instead of stay silent..

I still think he’s a good egg and will come around- maybe need some mentoring from CJ and Smoltz - but I think he’ll be fine.

By Braves STH

July 5, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

Of course, all reasonable folks and Braves’ fans wish the best for Jeff and a quick successful return.

I have been disappointed in his attitude and public remarks against the Braves. No, he’s cannot use excuses about his remarks. He is a professional athlete who has given many interviews over the last several years and is savvy in that regard.

Hope you get back on track soon!

By Bama

July 5, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

This may be old news but just heard on ESPN that Holiday was available from Rockies. Would the Braves be interested?

By Random

July 5, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Thanks, ‘scoots!!!

By Francoeurphobe

July 5, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Choppinmama:

Are those onions that you are choppin’?

Oooo - maybe you’re making meat loaf!

By Francoeurphobe

July 5, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

You can’t spell “methinks” without “meth”.

By Jeff321

July 5, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

kirknga — Whenever I think the Braves’ offensive “puzzle” has been deciphered.. I’m left confused and clueless.

By Robert S

July 5, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Mike, the Braves don’t have any pieces they could give up for Sabathia comparable to Matt LaPorta of the Brewers. They could throw Lillibridge or one of their spare young outfielders (Brandon Jones, Josh Anderson) along with maybe Tommy Hanson, but the Indians would snicker, say “Thanks, but no thanks,” and hang up. The Braves best prospects are just not good enough for someone of Sabathia’s caliber.

The Brewers’ AA team is loaded with talent, and the Braves wouldn’t give up their best pieces for a rent-a-pitcher, especially with a record of 41-47.

Trading Tex makes more sense, but only if they get a major-league-ready bat at first base and a couple of prospects in return. Casey Kotchman fits the bill. He’s young and cheap, and the Braves could get a couple of pieces to fill out their thinning farm system after last year’s trade to get Tex.

The main concern with Kotchman is whether he’ll develop into a bona fide power threat. He only projects to hit 16-20 homers this year. He can already hit for a decent average and doesn’t strike out much.

By Robert S

July 5, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

Francoeurphobe,

Thanks for the observation on “methinks,” but that’s a word Shakespeare used long before I did.

You must really enjoy insulting everyone on this blog. I guess everyone’s gotta have a hobby……

Guess you might not want to know I plan on traveling to watch the object of your fear in Mississippi on Sunday.

Oh well, cat’s outta the bag there.

But I’ll be sure to tell Jeff you said “F@% off!”

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

How is it the Braves don’t have the pieces to be in on any Sabathia deal.

People here are always talking about players such as Lillbridge and Schafer and others as studs. There are other players as well.

The Braves have the pieces to be in on acquiring anyone they wish, the question is do they want to pay the price?

Until we know what the parameter of any Sabathia deal would be..all we have now is a single rumor about the Brewers.

I doubt seriously if there is only one team interested. We don’t know if the Indians are letting other teams negotiate with Sabathia’s agent, that alone is an important factor as to what the cost will be.

No negotiation before trade =greater risk= less pieces.

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Mike

Are you aware of why Cleveland wants to move CC?

He’s asking for a contract better than Santana’s. Or in other words in excess of $140M for 7 years.

He wants $20M plus a year.

Let’s see, thats with a 3.83 career ERA.

And not to mentioned he weighs over 300+ lbs. His body is not going to last for a contract of that duration. It will break down, many injuries to be incurred.

Also, as already noted, Braves don’t seem to have what the Indians want.

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

Bama

Don’t know if Braves interested in Holliday.

I hope not.

Away from Coors he is very average, check his stats. Another guy who is expecting a break the bank contract.

He’s like Tex, his stats look nice, if you don’t break them down, but when you see him everyday you realize that for some players the stats lie. Neither is as clutch a player as you would think their stats seem to say.

For me, Kotchman is a good young player to take a chance on. Can be had in a Tex deal, Angels very high on Tex.

By Chop Chop

July 5, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

Well, it’s never a good idea to “wait” to make a run at the postseason. No team is guaranteed to be in the hunt from one year to the next. If the Braves are truly serious about doing everything they can to make the playoffs this year, they’ll make moves to bolster the team. Otherwise, it’s wait ‘til next year for Bravos fans.

(Or, at least, that’s the way the Braves organization is looking at it.)

Thomas Stinson’s story about Francoeur is an interesting read. It includes more odd comments from Frenchy. I think he should just refuse to talk to the press from now until he returns to the bigs. It might help him.

By TommyP

July 5, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Wow…like someone earlier said, Houston didn’t exactly trot out “The Nasty Boys” against us but shut us down completely. Ugh….

And is anyone worried like I am that Chipper got hurt again???? Right shoulder?

By Carroll Rogers

July 5, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

ijonathan, icarroll am telling you chipper agreed with you tonight. here’s what he had to say after the game:

“It was pathetic, absolutely pathetic tonight,” said Chipper Jones, who was 0-for-4 with a strikeout. “We got three baserunners tonight (outside of McCann). That’s pathetic against anybody.”

and stynes, yes the blog is getting a little messy with all the posts. I will post a new blog in the morning, or some time before first pitch. hope you guys can hang on til then.

By kirknga

July 5, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

Folks you have to pay..even overpay…for the top players. CC Sabathia is a stud pitcher, a small notch below Santana.

He’s just 27 and is 106-71 with a 3.83 ERA and a Cy Young. He’s not going to be had at a bargain or “reasonable” price…you’re going to have to overpay him. But if you know you’re going to have to overpay, a recent Cy Young winner makes sense.

The Braves are not so good that they can’t use a stud like Sabathia.

By Why Us

July 5, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this

Astros to Braves:

“Oswalt? We don’t need no stinkin’ Oswalt. We’ve got Chris Sampson”

Nuff said!

By Chop Chop

July 5, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

You’re right, TommyP. Chipper was certainly feeling something in that right shoulder during the last AB. Didn’t look too good.

By John Zook

July 5, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Of course they had to send him down, what the h*”l else were they supposed to do, let him keep going 0-4, striking out, hitting into dp’s and tearing the soul right out of this team? Too little too late though as tonight’s game (as well as this season and the previous two years amply demonstrate) this team’s problems go much deeper than Frenchy. Another gutless, soulless, dull, morose, less than mediocre performance, night after night after night after night…..

Fortunately, I am leaving for vacation tomorrow and thus do not have to be exposed to this moribund team any longer. For this, I am thankful.

By brian

July 5, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

Hey Robert - if the Braves fall 10 back, do the Braves try and deal Hudson to the brewers for LaPorta?

By brian

July 5, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

Hey Robert - if the Braves fall 10 back, do the Braves try and deal Hudson to the brewers for LaPorta?

By A-ville Ranger

July 5, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

For you fellow NASCAR fans, how stupid was Jeff Gordon at the end of tonight’s race ? First to just give the inside position to Busch when Kyle wasn’t able to get around him.Then to get impatient and turn right into Edwards and finish 30th.On the other side Kyle Busch isn’t making ANY mistakes.To beat Gordon at Sonoma and Daytona,he’s the best driver going these days.

By Random

July 5, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Hey, Bama —

Can’t speak for the Braves of course, but Holliday seems to be a bit out of their reach.

He’s too good — to get him, I’d think the Braves would more or less have to mortgage their future.

The prevalent slur aginst him is that his numbers are all Coors Stadium driven. But look at these away splits: .309/.401/.472. You really can’t sneeze at that, now can you?

(His home slashes are .364/.443/.630 — 39 games at home, 31 away.)

Yepper — too rich for the Braves.
(Otherwise, he’d be friggin’ perfect!!!)

Thanks — keep lookin’ for someone who absolutely sucks against RH pitchers, enough to really trash their total stats (and bring down their trade value), but who really kills LH pitchers, who can play CF and maybe back-up 1B.

;-)

By JEB

July 5, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

Look for Francouer to offer some apologies to Braves organization before he comes back to the big club! He will make some sort of public appearance and at that time apologize for his remarks!

Stay tuned - watch it happen.

By Random

July 5, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

Hey, A-ville Ranger, please forgive a stupid question:

What is the difference between NASCAR and Formula One? Are Formula One and Indie cars the same?

(I ask because my step-son in Japan is into Formula One racing, and I haven’t the slightest. Can you help?)

Thanks!!!

By Why Us

July 6, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this

kirknga

I hear ya, amen, about having to overpay anymore if you want a top player.

I just don’t think CC is that player. Check it out if you want. 3.83 is a high ERA for an ace, stud type pitcher. That means for him to have the type of record he currently has, he had to have had a bunch of run support.

Do you think the Braves would continue to provide that type of run support?

Even Hudson, who isn’t a true ace, stud pitcher has an career of 3.49.

Here’s some other career ERAs to consider:

Smoltz 3.26

Maddux 3.13

Glavine 3.53

You see what I mean, even with those much lower career ERAs we only won a single WS & we had had all three together!

Consider Oswalt 7-8 4.60 currently but 119-62 3.19 career, 30 years only. Yes injuries again a problem.

Another important point is that it seems over 90% of the player’s performances fall off somewhat after signing the mega contract.

Many saying Santana not the pitcher. M. Cabrera not the same, etc.

By Francoeurphobe

July 6, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

What is the difference between NASCAR and Formula One?

NASCARS go around and around and around and go VROOM VROOM VROOM.

Formula One cars go around and around and around and go ZUM ZUM ZUM.

By Random

July 6, 2008 12:38 AM | Link to this

JEB: “Look for Francouer to offer some apologies to Braves organization before he comes back to the big club! He will make some sort of public appearance and at that time apologize for his remarks!”

Concur — I don’t see it happening any other way. (Unless, of course, the Braves trade his axe even before he comes back up.)

Chop Chop: “I’d take the 2007 version of Jeff Francoeur any day of the week. That’s a contributor the Braves can win a lot of games with.”

Me too, brother, me too.

By A-ville Ranger

July 6, 2008 12:40 AM | Link to this

Random,the most important difference for me in NASCAR compared to Formula One and Indie racing is NASCAR uses inclosed wheels (fenders…really uni body) and can race close,bump,swap paint,draft,etc.The others use very cool looking,very high tech open wheel designs.Those ”open wheel” cars can’t bump and race close,it’s too dangerous.I just love the contact and close quarters of NASCAR. Formula One is the top circuit worldwide so it obviously has it’s fans as well.

By Random

July 6, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

well, boys, I’m more than slightly a bit pie-eyed.

I’d best retire nwo.

Seizure later. A manana.

8-)

By Robert

July 6, 2008 1:06 AM | Link to this

This game will be remembered as the low point

Change is forthecoming

By Supes

July 6, 2008 1:35 AM | Link to this

KC

You sure did pick a bad time to trot out your “this isn’t over yet” argument and lay it all out on the line. Gotta give you A for effort though. You balance out N8 and myself with comments/posts like that.

Tonight was the reason why I’m not a believer this current Braves team is anything more than a .500 team at best. They just simply can’t beat, win the games against lesser opponents anymore. Face it…other than Berkman and Carlos Lee…the Houston lineup isn’t that formidable. Yet a “platoon player” like a Mark Loretta can have 3 2B hits against Jo-Jo, they got his pitch count up, way up and smacked him around a bit. On top of that, we get a reliever to start, who tops out in the high 80’s and is around the plate (meaning you should get strikes to hit). So it was a mismatch offensively and pitching wise and the Braves failed to win the game.

Sound familiar? It’s happened before in 2008, it’ll happen again. Braves don’t have the swager, confidence and ability to beat this middle of the pack and dead last teams like they should. When the Pirates and the Astros can smack the Braves around and beat them convincingly…well I’ll let you finish that thought. Thank God we haven’t had to play the Nats…the way they owned us in April/May.

So 2008 Braves = .500 Team at best.

I think if the Braves by some miracle are around .500 by the All star break, it will cause them to get that false hope and optimism and keep TEX, and we all know what that means. TEX walks and goes to NY to wear pinstripes in 2009, all because the Braves were “just good enough” to stay 6-8 games back, to give you reason to hope and you lose out on a trade and getting some top of the line prospects in here for Mark.

By uga-brave

July 6, 2008 1:43 AM | Link to this

well, well, well.

at least a few of us were correct. just read thomas stinsons’s article. golden boy has ZERO remorse.

at some point his handler’s better shut his mouth.

always thought it was wierd that a 6’2 200 pound guy played safety in HIGH SCHOOL.

pelphrey popped him twice, all he did was mouth off. that would be JOHN PELPHREY of the mets. he looked into the dugout the second time to see if anyone would come out.

no one did.

for the first time francoeur does not have that group around him that says your the best.

he is not handling it well. good luck frenchy, this team, this city have been your friends. hope it works out for you.

By kirknga

July 6, 2008 1:59 AM | Link to this

WhyUs

I think traditionally we see that ERA’s are slightly elevated in the AL because of the DH.

However, they don’t give away Cy Young’s and since his is of recent vintage I think it worth a chance.

There are no guarantees (see Zito, Barry), but this team needs studs or we’ll be here again next season doing the same talking.

I want the Braves to be in on the big ticket players including Tex. I’m tired of “creative” deals and having to rely on the Campillo’s and Carlye’s and Diaz’s and such.

By uga-brave

July 6, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this

supes,

dead right on this team, this is a team that will not finish .500.

the outfield is the worst in the N.L.

nice job WREN, PICKING up kotsay was a genius move. i like the guy, but his productivity is minimal.

diaz has TWO doubles all year. our rightfielder stinks, and he is bitter in mississipi.

our entire outfield will not hit 30 combined homeruns all season.

rick ankiel, ex pitcher is on pace to hit 34, nice job FRANK WREN.

you are lucky your boss is TERRY MC JERK.

he loves his parking spot.

By Moby Grape

July 6, 2008 2:03 AM | Link to this

This Chop Chop fella sure is great.ChopChop

yeah he is ok but not as great as Moby Grape :-)

By jed

July 6, 2008 2:31 AM | Link to this

uga brave

i dont know what your problem with francouer is, but it’s obviously personal, on some strange level. and by “on some strange level,” i mean “go to therapy and figure it out.” unless of course—like i figure—he somehow p** on you and you’re all travis bickle over it. in which case, sounds like a great story. let us in on it.

By Joebrave

July 6, 2008 2:43 AM | Link to this

Looks like Francant’s real persona has been exposed to all the world now,except maybe Gwinnett,Think this Jack@ss is a real hero now!!??? Sounds more like a d2mned spoiled I’m entitled what about me BRAT!!! Trade that load of CRAP and get his arse outta here Now!!!!!

By uga-brave

July 6, 2008 2:47 AM | Link to this

so explain to me how trading tex is the right move.

hampton, glavine, and maybe smoltz comes off the payroll.

we are surviving without them. thats close to 35 million. we will have zero offense if he is gone.

chipper plays 130 games, we need TEX.

UNLESS we get a over the top kind of deal. we need to keep him.

if not you are looking at a lot of excuses.

the guy plays a great 1st base base, and he is a great middle of the order guy.

oh i forgot frenchy is coming back. he is our next middle of the order guy, he of the , .680 .ops but then again he is a STAR.

francoeur still thinks he is a SUPERSTAR.

note to jeffy, shut your mouth. be humble, be appreciative of the opportunity that the TEAM gives you.

no other organization would give you this oppurtunity.

i dont think he will ever realize that he is average. that could be bad or good.

i just dislike the fact that he is or was a media darling.

it goes both ways. i think he is handling the criticism the wrong way.

By Joebrave

July 6, 2008 2:49 AM | Link to this

Looks like Francant’s real persona has been exposed to all the world now,except maybe Gwinnett,Think this Jack@ss is a real hero now!!??? Sounds more like a d2mned spoiled I’m entitled what about me BRAT!!! Trade that load of CRAP and get his arse outta here Now!!!!!

By Moby Grape

July 6, 2008 2:49 AM | Link to this

The prevalent slur aginst him is that his numbers are all Coors Stadium driven. But look at these away splits: .309/.401/.472. You really can’t sneeze at that, now can you?Random

yeah I can sneeze at them since they are such a small sample size compared to his career numbers. 4 Home Runs?for 13_mil? Give me a break. 142 PA against his entire career as an average hitter away from Coors? Ever hear of regression to the mean? Too Good? Nah not so much.

By MAV

July 6, 2008 3:02 AM | Link to this

Joebrave

Continues to show his inner self throughout the night. Get a life man! It must hurt to be a nothing!

By uga-brave

July 6, 2008 3:07 AM | Link to this

jed,

he hurts the TEAM. if you cant figure that out then i am sorry, 14 years this team won.

he is not the only reason we have not beeen back to the playoffs, but he is part of the problem.

worse then that he obviously does not realize it.

his comments confirm that.

he never once said that this might be better for the TEAM, all he he said this might strain my realationship with the braves.

he is a stats guy, and guess what they stink. he is all about himself. he hates criticism, loves the praise.

he cant handle the negative. you want to live in the spotlight, better be able to handle the other side.

By Why Us

July 6, 2008 3:10 AM | Link to this

kirknga

Certainly with you on signing some players—we will have a load of money after this year. Let’s see what happens.

Right about Zito! Notice that Hudson’s has gone up also since coming to NL—man facing all those pitchers with their bats sure can cause a guy’s ERA to rise 8-)

Hey, thanks for the back & forth & especially for keeping it civil.

At times, not much of that on here anymore.

By dru

July 6, 2008 3:41 AM | Link to this

TommyP, though I appreciate that you kept the opinions to a minimum after your spat with Carroll, it really is just a waste of peoples’ time to read your posts. Just keep them to the short one-liners and maybe just refrain yourself from the Franceour analysis.

By BA

July 6, 2008 4:45 AM | Link to this

Excellent post at 7:02PM, K.C. I agree wholeheartedly. And I agree with my boy ugabrave that the Braves WILL retain Teixeira. We don’t have the payroll of yesteryear, but we’re not the sorry Marlins either. As far as Frenchy goes, I don’t like what I’m hearing anymore than the rest of you, but he’s a young guy and he’ll learn from his mistakes. You have to take his comments with a grain of salt right now. I just hope they have the sense to leave him down there ‘till he gets it right, and not rush him back.

By Run Heap Run

July 6, 2008 5:47 AM | Link to this

Did they show Carlos Lee doing the chop in the outfield on tv? Funny stuff.

Saw a handful of Francie jerseys in the crowd but many, many more for sale in the clubhouse store. Surprisingly there wasn’t a Chipper jersey to be found. And we were there when the gates opened so it hadn’t been picked over yet. Maybe they’re just out of stock and need to reorder. I’m sure that’s it.

By Bill

July 6, 2008 6:10 AM | Link to this

brian—- I agree that would be a great trade of Hudson for LaPorta. He’s ready now. Brewers have a ton of prospects. I would hate to see Hudson go but that’s one trade that’s needs to happen.

By NCBravesFan

July 6, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this

BA I think the opposite on Tex for the following reason: what about Tex’s performance this year has shown you that he is worthy of committing $20+ million a year for at least five years … especially on a team that at best has a $100 million payroll?

If they were winning it would be one thing. But they aren’t.

In my view committing that much long-term money to one player, with so many other needs apparent, is not a good move.

By TommyP

July 6, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

After watching Barry Zito’s performance yesterday, if he can turn it around, Franceour definitely can ‘cause Zito was about as messed up as you can be.

Now, it was just one start but he was dominant.

Speaking of the Giants, has anyone done as fine a managing job as Bruce Bochy? LaRussa is the other one that comes to mind but the Giants looked like a sure 100+ team. He has them competing every night.

Braves need a 49-25 finish to end the season with 90 wins. Not saying it’ll take 90 to win the East but it’s a nice round number to shoot for and Philly might just get there as well.

I think the next 8 games before the All Star Break are more than important-they’re make or break for this squad.

Let’s say we go 3-5 over the next week. That means we need a finish of 46-20 to reach 90 wins. Not gonna do it. This team just doesn’t do enough when the bats aren’t raking like small ball.

Has anyone done the math as to how much salary will be off the books at the end of the season? Just wondering…..

By Lew

July 6, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Smoltz-$14 mil, Glavine $8 mil, Hampton $8 mil (according to Braves budget), Kotsay $2 mil, Teixeira $12.5 mil. Total $44.5 million

By McFann©

July 6, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

JButler But at least Chipper will get a deserving nod…hang in there little friend.

Thanks for the tip (and the encouragement). Wouldn’t ya know it—some guy walks past me after Church wearing a Cubs shirt! I’m thinking, “Thanks for that ‘In your face’, buddy!”

Course, when we got in the car this morning, what’s the first song we hear?

You can’t always git what you want…

Random—

Thanks. Yeah, I knew about the final vote (they advertise that on braves.com better than they advertised the first ballot).

Doesn’t surprise me that they figured out some of us were cheaters—they really don’t have a good way to prevent that.

So we await 2 o’clock I guess…the suspense is killing me!

By KC

July 6, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Supes: “KC, You sure did pick a bad time to trot out your “this isn’t over yet” argument and lay it all out on the line.”

No argument there. The ole Bravos sure made me look smart last night, didn’t they? lol

I still say we haven’t seen this offense anywhere near at its best. Any lineup with 3 big bats (Jones, Tex, McCann) and a few more solid hitters (KJ, Escobar, and Kotsay) is certainly capable of much more than what we’ve seen.

We’re hitting like we’re the Padres… but we’re not. Unlike the Padres, we actually have a good number of weapons here. So I remain convinced that it’s only a matter of time (if the lineup remains healthy) before we see this offense begin to put up runs.

Obviously, a gaping hole has been left by the absence of Frenchy (and he’s been absent ALL season) for a big right-handed bat. And Teixeira’s struggles from the right side of the plate have amplified the Braves need for a big righty hitter.

I think this lineup is capable of being a well above average offense. But if they want to get back to the (extremely high) level of offense this team featured the last couple months of last season - after adding Tex)… they’ll need to add a hitter like Jason Bay, X. Nady, or Jose Guillen.

I think there’s a good chance of that happening, but if this team wants Wren to help out by adding piece or two, they’re going to have to help him justify such a move by playing better baseball over the next few weeks.

Hitting aside, starting pitching let us down last week. Hudson was the only one who looked good our last time through the rotation. Our other starters are going to have to bounce back and held the Braves win between now the and all-star break.

If the Braves can go 5-2 before the break, that would pull the Braves a few games closer to .500, and might even allow them to pick up a game or two on the Phillies (with a little luck).

Gotta get it going boys.

By Moby Grape

July 6, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

If the Braves can go 5-2 before the break, that would pull the Braves a few games closer to .500, and might even allow them to pick up a game or two on the Phillies (with a little luck)KC

I sure hope you’re right but truthfully I haven’t seen anything in the last month or so that makes me think that they can go 5-2. In fact it’s getting hard for me to believe that they can break even.

I really think this team had a shot before all the injuries and now the head problems, but even more so than last season they just can not seem to play up to their potential as a team. I hate to see them give up on the season and trade Tex but I’m leaning more and more toward thinking that is what should happen. I’m not sure the Braves will admit that though.

By KC

July 6, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

TommyP: As I mentioned a moment ago, I don’t think this lineup is anywhere near as bad as they’ve played. I think it’s capable of much more, and will produce much more in the second half. Having said that, I don’t know if this offense is going to be enough to erase the 7-game deficit.

However, if you add a big righty bat (we’ll use Bay as an example), I really think it transforms the lineup. Thinking about what our lineup would look like with a guy like Bay…

1 - Blanco

2 - Escobar

3 - Jones

4 - Teixeira

5 - McCann

6 - Bay

7 - Johnson

8 - Kotsay

That’s one hell of a lineup, if they can add that missing piece.

BUT, the trading deadline is a few weeks away. So they really have to make up at least a little ground between now and the deadline.

Personally, if the Braves could at least get back to 5 games out over the next 2-3 weeks, I would feel ok about our position at the trading deadline. And if you can then add a piece or two… then I think this team could make a very real run.

There are still 9 head to head games remaining with the Phillies. Plenty of head to head contests remaining with the Mets and Marlins as well. If the Braves could perform well in those head to head games, that could help the Braves decide how many wins it will take to win the East.

But to have a good chance at a post-season berth, the Braves have GOT to play better over the next few weeks, and then add a bat at the deadline.

Getting some of our injured pitching back (Hampton, Soriano, Glavine) would help as well.

By flange1

July 6, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Afternoon all,

Another terrible game at the Ted.

Another foot in mouth from Frenchy.

KC, while on paper you are correct this team is not out of it, their play shows otherwise. They just don’t play like winners right now. I said this earlier, I just don’t see this team getting hot and winning 7 in a row.

I am not saying they are done, but I do think it is time to consider some options.

Uga-brave, While I have not always agreed with you on Frenchy, I do now. His reaction to his demotion is completely selfish. If this has reduced his relationship with the Braves, then at some point when he gets back, he should be traded. Hopefully to KC in a package for Greinke.

On Tex,

The Braves do have tons of money coming off the payroll at the end of this year. They can afford Tex with the supporting cast they have now.

The key question is will they offer TEx enough to keep him a Brave.

Braves management is known for being very cheap in their offers.

I think the team makes an effort to sign Tex before the all star break. Throw out 90% of your top offer and see the response. Then throw out your top offer and see the response.

If the response is, I will wait for FA, then see what the trade market holds.

AT worst if you keep him, you get 2 draft choices.

The Braves need an impact player NOW in the ML, not in the future, so if you can get 1 starter for this team, then TRADE TEX.

Same with Ohman, After this year, he will get Mahay money and the Braves WILL NOT PAY IT, so see what he is worth in trade.

Maybe one of the new guys will give this team a spark. It does not seem that the guys on the team can create a spark……

Thoughts?

By KC

July 6, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Moby Grape: Well, ANYONE can go 5-2 over a 7-game stretch. ANYONE. I’m pretty sure the Nationals did it earlier this season.

But I will certainly agree with you that we haven’t seen anything lately that would inspire any confidence.

But for a team with the second-best ERA in the league, and a lineup that includes Jones, Teixeira, McCann (and a few other solid hitters) to be 6 games under .500… I think they’ve grossly underachieved.

I don’t know when or if they’re going to start playing the way they’re capable, but I remain convinced that there’s more here than what we’ve seen. And as a Braves fan, that’s enough to keep me watching in hopes that they will pull their collective heads out of their #$@&%# and start playing ball.

By KC

July 6, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

flange 1: “KC, while on paper you are correct this team is not out of it, their play shows otherwise.”

I agree.

Again, I don’t know when of if this team is going to pull their heads out and start playing ball. But I think they capable of much more.

If the Braves lineup were the Padres lineup, I’d have to look and say “they just don’t have the pieces”. But that’s not the case. There is a LOT of talent on this team.

I don’t know if they’ll start playing as they’re capable, but I keep watching, waiting, and hoping they will do so.

By McFann©

July 6, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

CORKY MILLER’S CATCHING!!

Well, it had to happen sooner or later…

By Jeff321

July 6, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

The Braves are capable of making a run for the division or wild card. But, with our record in one run games and the tendency to blow leads, I would think its highly doubtful. Sometimes, the offense is damn near nonexistent. Followed by the shady bullpen with the exception of Gonzalez, Ohman. So, what are ya gonna do? Hope the starting pitching goes 7 innings then trot those two out for the 8th and 9th every single day?

Like I said before, if we somehow get a decent right handed stopper in there.. (I don’t count on Soriano for much — prove me wrong, eh!) What makes ya think Cox will use this “new guy” anymore than Stockman? He obviously has his favorites in the bullpen. And apparently that’s a little more important than winning.

By Carroll Rogers

July 6, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

new blog should be up momentarily folks…

By DanR

July 6, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Does anyone have any info on the Braves international signings after the July 2nd start date? I think Wren said he would apply the money from the 1st round pick that we forfeited to the Mets to the international market instead. Haven’t heard or seen anything yet.

By KC

July 6, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

flange 1: If I were GM, I would be having simultaneous discussions with buyers and sellers right now. If the Braves can’t gain any ground at all - or actually lose ground to the Phillies over the next few weeks… I would trade Tex.

But if the Braves play good baseball and gain a little ground, even if it’s just a couple games - to get back to 5 games out by the deadline… I would look to add a piece or two to this team (particularly if Hampton and Soriano appear healthy).

By Ron Roberts

July 6, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

HAHMPTON

Saw him pitch last night, for myself; he was spotting his pitches, for the most part, and from what I saw, hit a max of 91 on the radar they display at BB&T Coastal Field here in Myrtle Beach. Looked pretty solid, for the most part. My concern is, the five hits he gave up were ropes. Fat, down-the-middle, belt-high pitches that High-A ball guys didnt hesitate to smack. He’ll wanna fine-tune that. Do that, and we’ve our impact arm coming back (hold your breath, right?)

FRANCOEUR

I’m really disappointed in this kid’s reaction to the demotion. I always run the scenario through mind: “how would Dale Murphy react” in situations like this, being a child of the ‘America’s Team’ generation…

Dale Murphy always said the right things, did the right things. Jeff Francoeur may have been busting his tail in the video room, taking extra batting practice and such, but the results weren’t showing. It’s far too easy to say I was close, but the results weren’t showing. The demotion was FOR his benefit, and his lashing out since has been disappointing to me.

Knowing Bobby Cox and his penchant for not forgetting these sort of things, I can’t help but wonder if there’s a permanent place for Jeff on this team, now. God knows I hope so; I think he’s a dynamite player who just needs to find his comfort zone at the plate again (and the vision problem could be a contributing factor that he just needs to adjust to), but his attitude flat-out sucks right now, and after three or four days, I don’t read quotes where it’s vastly improved.

In my mind, I read the hostility of a guy who’s still not signed to a long-term deal with this team, and is apparently miffed by it, and somehow believes this is the team’s way of bringing the price down if/when they do sign him long-term. But if you’re the Braves, what do you do?

They did the right thing, and now Jeff needs to do the same.

By flange1

July 6, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts,

Good to see you back and thanks for the Hampton news,

In terms for Frenchy, I like your WWDM do thoughts, but in my mind Frenchy is SUPPOSED to bust his butt in the video room and in the cages whether he is hitting .230 or .330.

That is what a ML player is paid to do.

I don’t want to hear him complaining about all the work he was doing, the results flat out sucked.

Frenchy had the chance to sign a long term deal at the same time BMac did, but he CHOOSE not too thinking he was worth more.

Sorry dude a .234 average doesn’t get you alot of long term bucks.

The more I think about this the more selfish and pathetic Frenchy looks.

Let him get back to the ML and trade him.

By Ron Roberts

July 6, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

While I’m thinking, about TEXIERA…

The sort of money he’s looking for (just shy of A-Rod) isn’t justifiable, in my opinion, given what we’ve seen of him so far.

And I don’t wanna hear this “he’s a second half player” line; the sort of money he’s going to want this offseason is the sort of money you pay a guy who’ll carry your team; Mark Texiera’s had ample time and opportunity to carry this team, with Chipper being out and/or Escobar being out of the lineup. Mark Texiera hasn’t carried this team when we’ve needed it.

I remember another stretch of games a few years back, when Chipper was out for weeks, and Andruw Jones literally carried this team’s offense on his back in Chip’s absence. We’ve not seen this yet from Tex. We saw a nice week out of him; a week - from a guy who’s going to seek upwards of $20 million a year?

C’mon… he’s on pace to hit maybe 30 HRs and maybe knock in 110 RsBI. This offseason, there will be so many ways to replace that sort of offense. Hampton, Glavine and Tex’s money comes off the books, with our needing to re-sign Chipper and Smoltz. You think those guys are gonna expect some massive deals to be re-signed? C’mon… given their injury status? We’re going to have some room to operate here…

Sign Vlad Guerrero to play a vacant outfield spot. Boom. Offense replaced.

Sign Jon Garland or Brad Penny to take a vacant rotation spot once Glavine announces his retirement. Boom. Pitching replaced.

Surround those guys with Chip, Smoltz, our new young-guns of Campillo and Jurrjens and Reyes and hell, I think Morton’s gonna be good, along with Escobar, KJ, our multitude of OF options (Schafer, Francoeur, Brandon Jones, Perry) and McCann… looks good, to me.

I don’t think we’ll trade Tex, frankly; I mean, unless we get bowled over with a package that just knocks our socks off, I think the organization wants to see what they believe Tex is worth before they consider re-signing him.

I say, at his current rate, we’re better served going elsewhere for offense in the lineup.