Braves

By Steve C.

June 28, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

any conceivable chance Jurrjens or Hudson get into All-Star game???

By Efrim

June 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

I’m really not sure a right handed hitting outfielder is going to save this team. They really have trouble with lefties. So freaking strange.

By Braves WIll WIn (Cody)

June 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

looks like we are going to waist another good pitching performance from our great rotation. I hate when the Braves play like this.

By Braves WIll WIn (Cody)

June 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

My prediction after the TEX walk 6-4-3 DP by Norton

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

It’s the start of the fifth inning, fellas. No need to reach for the razor blades yet.

But yes, this lineup against a lefty … whew. Braves struggled against lefties even with their full complement of players.

By Braves WIll WIn (Cody)

June 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

well I was almost right man I hate facing lefties. Can’t wait until Kotsay and chipper and yunel get back, watching th offense is like watching the Expos of old.

By Braves WIll WIn (Cody)

June 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Alright McCan’t, Imagine if we can just get Chip, Tex, Mcann and Francine hitting great at once. Like our chances against anyone.

By Greg in TN

June 28, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the new blog, DOB.

It’s amazing that the team is still in the thick of things with the injuries and inconsistent play.

Nice RBI double by BMac to plate Tex and tie the game.

Yeah, Will, whatever dude.

By Braves WIll WIn (Cody)

June 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

WELL THAT A* FRANCOUR COULD FIND AWAY TO HIT THE BRAVES OUT OF AN INNING NO MATTER WHAT. Forget mccann should have stayed. FRANCOUR SWUNG AT A PITCH THAT TIGER WOODS COULDN’T HAVE HIT WITH A IRON.

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

We got ourselves a tie!

I was wondering where the doubles had gone…

By Efrim

June 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Mr. Extra Base Hit(Heap) does his thing.

Go McCann.

Go Braves.

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Well, crud. Never mind.

By Efrim

June 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

And then Huddy gives it right back.

Sigh.

By sportsmandh

June 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, Been meaning to suggest this to you for a while. Have you ever listened online to WDVX? It’s a radio station out of Knoxville, TN that plays Americana, Alt. country, bluegrass, classic country, singer/songwriter stuff, blues, etc. Given a lot of the music you post (minus rock), I think you’d probably really like the channel. Just go to WDVX.com. They have different show hours during the week too I think, probably shows their schedule on there.

Any legit trade rumors blowing yet as far as the Braves are concerned? I still wish they could get Tony Clark for a bat off the bench, but from what I’ve read I don’t think he’d agree to a trade out of San Diego. Guess he’d have limited value too since he can’t play anywhere but first, and interleague is over now so no dh games to go.

Go Braves. Really hope they can win 2 out of 3 this weekend. With all the injuries, if they can do that, I would say that’s a pretty big accomplishment. Good thing there’s another off day Monday. I still think this team is gonna turn the corner some time soon. I don’t know if I’m ready to predict a division title, but I think it’s very likely we stay in the wild card race all the way.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Great base running by TEX, not too many 1B would have scored on that double by Mc. Good job TEX. Now you are looking better!!!!

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

The Braves need someone who can coach base running.

By sportsmandh

June 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Doc Holliday, don’t you play for the Blue Jays? What’re you doing on the Braves blog?

By Quack Quack

June 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

BobbysCox

I want to say again that I was too harsh with you. You used some observations and you put the effort into doing some research. The only legitimate criticism is that the sample sizes are somewhat inadequate when you try to micro-analyze with stats-and most on here do that anyway. Keep inquiring and keep doing the research guy. It’s interesting at the least and can give some insights. At least you are trying to have reasons for what you say.

By Greg in TN

June 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Miscue on the bases by BMac after the double. Then Huddy gets a slider to Barajas up and it gets hammered.

Other than a couple issues from Bmac behind the plate so far today, the fielding has improved since the Milwaukee series.

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

It’s a good thing no one scored off the WP and PB. Sheesh!

By Quack Quack

June 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Oops, bad sign. We tie it up but let them go right back ahead in the bottom. With this lineup this might be a tough game to win against a lefthander who has been on a roll. Well we can keep hopin’. Lets go Bravos.

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga IV)

June 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

So Heap lost in a race with Corky? lol

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

At least Lilly fields his position like a veteran, no defense downgrade from yunels.

Gregor with 2 singles today, lets the guy hit leadoff a little longer.

He is taking the walk also……

Go braves!!!!!!

By A-ville Ranger

June 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

When I see McCann make mistakes by not moving his body to block a ball it brings to question his weight.The guy is clearly 20 or so lbs heavier than he needs to be for his position.If he stays this big and doesn’t have problems over the years it’ll be pure luck.

By Robin

June 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Terrible AB’s for Gotay. Just terrible. What happened to trying to move the runner over?

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Had to laugh.

You can tell that the Blue Jays’ announcers don’t read this blog as they said, “Cox doesn’t just sit back ,he forces the action.”

By chip

June 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Okay, I know the Braves are still in the NL East race (though it feels like that’s more a result of Philly’s struggles than our own strengths), but nobody is really looking at this team as a potential champion. Some surprisingly good pitching (but they’re relying on very young guys, which will bite you in the postseason) and barely enough hitting to get by. Injuries, a slow start by Tex, and the surprising struggles of Frenchy hurt the offense.. but you just wonder if the outfield is good enough.

So two questions:

1. Is there ANY chance the Braves trade Tex for prospects? (I figure the front office is too arrogant to do so. They want to be able to say, “We did our best,” rather than say, “We made a mistake and traded away too much talent for a two-year rental on a good guy who isn’t quite good enough to carry a team.” Tex is fine, but he’s no Chipper.)

2, If Wren makes a trade for a bat, is it likely to be another rent-a-bat? Or somebody you figure will take over left field and spend a good chunk of his career here?

Thanks.

By KC

June 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

WHY WASN’T GOTAY BUNTING??????!!!!!

If he moves Blanco over, the game is tied right now.

And McCann should be up with the bases loaded right now… NOT FRIGGIN GREG NORTON!!!!!

Brilliant lineup decision there.

By KC

June 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Greg Norton protecting Tex in the order instead of McCann…

Brilliant, Bobby. Brilliant.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Well that was a HUGE wasted opportunity. Don’t know what Norton was complaining about on that second strike — it was a good call, a strike that caught the outer part of the plate and was thigh-high.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

MF umpire………he missed that call…….horrible………high, way high.

Norton waaas walked, come on!!!!!!!!!

By Coach Smith

June 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

what a BS strike call…..

Should be 2-2 right now with McCann coming to bat with the bases loaded

For that matter why the hell is McCann not hitting behind TEX?

By Robin

June 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

High strike Laz!! Dammit!

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Well thank you Lance Diaz for an Eric Greg-esque strike zone.

We seem to have issue with him whenever he’s around.

By MurphyRules

June 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

why not let chipper hit for norton there with bases loaded?

By Deep Throat

June 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Sure was great having McCann hit after Teixeira so he could be up in that bases loaded situation in the top on the sixth inning and hit yet another career grand slam…..

Wait…really…? Norton? Greg Norton?! Behind Teixeira instead of McCann?!!!

BOBBY!!!!!!!!!!

By Mr. Optimistic

June 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

i know the game isnt over but if these guys belived in taking a walk we would at least be tied. what in the world are gotay and norton thinking.

By Efrim

June 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

When was the last time this team got a big hit with the bases loaded? Kelly’s grand slam at Shea???

Unbelieveable.

By Coach Smith

June 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Just like always when the Braves don’t score with the bases loaded and the other team comes right back and scores instead

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Ouch, was that a poorly located 1-2 pitch by Hudson, or what? (I’ll answer that — it was a poorly located 1-2 pitch.)

By GeorgetownKid

June 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Mr. O’Brien,

With the relatively unimpressive play of B. Jones and Lilibridge in their short times in Atlanta (barring Jones’ initial hot streak), and with their poor seasons in Richmond, do you think that the Braves have re-adjusted their expectations for these two prospects?

I had the impression that the organization projected them as starting-calibre players at the big-league level, though not necessarily as star-calibre prospects. Do you think the Braves still view Jones and Lilibridge as favorably as they did at the end of last season.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

KC,

Not much can be done about this lineup unless somebody’s DLd or a pitcher’s sent down. WYSIWYG.

I’m dumbfounded that neither happened before this series, esp. in an American League park.

BTW, I just read that 4:20 a.m. posting from Coach. Man, I almost expected him to be rolling a pair of ball bearings in his hand and muttering about strawberries.

By Efrim

June 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

See ya guys tomorrow.

By princetonbrave

June 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Everything about Toronto Bluejays baseball is depressing: The Turf The Dome The uniforms (seriously, those are baseball uniforms!?) The commentators (watching this on mlb.tv)

One thing they do have going for them: Not having Norton batting 5th.

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Run Heap Run (love the name, BTW)—

Yep. Boog and Joe were talkin’ about it, and it was hilarious! (Especially when they put the little graphic on the bottom of the screen that said, “Corky vs Mac: The Race of the Century” and had a little picture of a snail next to the words.) Ya had to hear them!

The race was last night, and today McCann said he really took a hit. Said, “I couldn’t sleep last night.” LOL!

The way the game’s goin’ (Timmy??), I’m ready for “Braves Live”…

By Quack Quack

June 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

So two questions:Chip

No on trading Tex and i don’t think it’s arrogance.I think that they believe that they have a chance to win. If they can get into the playoffs, it’s all a crap shoot. Anybody can win it as St Louis proved .

Yes it will probably be a rent-a-player or at least not somebody likely to spend a lot of his career here. 1/2 to 2 1/2 years I’d guess. Might not even happen, but I’d guess it will if they can find a decent deal at all.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

You know, in the 5th, if Chipper is available to pinch hit I think you do it right there. If he delivers, you run for him and have a pitcher DH if necessary next time through the order. This might be your only chance for a big inning.

By ijonathan

June 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

DOB

Thigh-high second strike to Norton? Dude, that was close to the armpits. Are you up on the catwalk of the dome?

By bsj

June 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Perhaps a little off topic, but I want to say again that I think Hampton will play a role in the second half. I said it before on the blog after he tore his pec. Obviously it’s just a feeling cuz we got nothing else to go on. Conversely, I don’t think we’ll get anything from Glavine. I think he’s done. Call me Kreskin, but those are my prognostications for the second half.

I’m not sure how I can be as ambivalent toward Cox as I am after all these years. He doesn’t do a lot to upset me generally, and he doesn’t often do things that make me sit up and take notice. But this is one of those “sit up and take notice” times. The things that he’s done with the lineups and the pitching since the beginning of May has been remarkable. Hudson and Jurrjens are the only two known quantities left in the starting rotation, and Ohman, Bennett, and Carlisle are the only ones in the pen really. We’re only 3 games out with a .500 record, and we’ve got Greg Norton, Reuben Gotay, Omar Infante, Gregor Blanco, Brandon Jones, in the starting lineup regularly. No one in March, looking at the starting lineups for the past week, would have said that we had a stinking chance in the East this year. More likely they would have speculated we were out by 15 games.

I’m giving Cox the credit because he seems to know which buttons to push when the chips are down. He’s done it consistently over the years. Some seem to think it’s stubbornness, an unwillingness to admit what seems obvious to everyone else. Those who have played baseball beyond high school will understand that baseball is an in-your-face game with very subtle undertones. Everyone usually gives maximum effort, but results can be inconsistent. It takes a special manager to recogize those undercurrents.

By Lorena Bobbitt

June 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Yet another game where Cox doesn’t put his players in a position to succeed.

When you “protect” Tex in the batting order with Greg Norton, you’re putting your team at a huge disadvantage. If McCann hits 5th, then Tex gets more pitches to hit, or McCann gets more opportunities with runners on base.

Typical Cox to not realize this.

It’s time to sever ties with Cox!

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

When Huddy loses it, it leaves in a hurry doesn’t it?

By woogidy

June 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Alex Rios = Young Right fielder to be excited about.

By P-Town Brave

June 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

WOW! Glad to see Hudson return to proper form

Why is it that when we start to get on a roll its ruined by a Tim Hudson under-performance?

This guy is supposed to be our ace…a rookie is out doing him on a daily basis…and getting out pitched by a Triple-A call-up…

Great to see you still don’t have it when we need you Timmy!

By jim

June 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

If Chipper were to pinch hit at some point (becoming less and less relevant) is there anybody left on the bench that can play in the field?

By Greg in TN

June 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Huddy’s control bailed on him in the last two innings, now have to hope for Bennett to come in wiggle us out of this.

By A-ville Ranger

June 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Does Hudson ever have trouble that isn’t because he runs out of gas ?When he’s strong he looks close to unbeatable,when he’s not, he’s average.

By Braveheart

June 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Enough with Greg freaking Norton. ENOUGH! Why the f$U#ck is he batting fifth? It’s time to make a trade. They need a bat bad.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

(It was the 6th not the 5th. My bad.)

By lilman

June 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Bennet would not be my choice right here. I think the game is about to get out of hand.

By Braves never win on the road

June 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

I see the Braves are up to their old tricks again (can’t score)…Like i keep screaming theY suck along with JF

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

With the relatively unimpressive play of B. Jones and Lilibridge in their short times in Atlanta (barring Jones’ initial hot streak), and with their poor seasons in Richmond, do you think that the Braves have re-adjusted their expectations for these two prospects?

Isn’t it way too soon to give up on these guys? They haven’t played enough to get a good read. Lillbridge has only been here two weeks and has been on the bench for the most part.

By sportsmandh

June 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

DOB, about the WDVX suggestion earlier, I checked their website, does show playlist, schedule, etc. under ‘programming’.

cheers

By sportsmandh

June 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

DOB, about the WDVX suggestion earlier, I checked their website, does show playlist, schedule, etc. under ‘programming’.

cheers

By Robin

June 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

I see Eckstein’s still poppin’ them greenies. You’d think he’d outgrown that crap.

6-1! Grrrrrr… this is gonna be tough. I thought Huddy was (almost) gonna be “on.”

By ijonathan

June 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Hudson sure is a beast in interleague play. Geesh.

By Coach Smith

June 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

6-1….

so far

barring a MIRACLE this game is OVER

should’ve known this when BENNET came in

How about CARLYLE in that situation

I said this the other day, I have seen enough of BENNET for a while

He can NEVER LIMIT DAMAGE

3-1 or 4-1 your team still has a chance, 6-1 = NO CHANCE

that’s 2 bad starts for HUDDY recently

By kris

June 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

wow I forgot what a hit with the bases load looked like since the Braves never do it.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

jim,

I don’t think Chipper could play in the field even if an emergency arose. If he could he would be DHing. You’d have to use Corky or maybe one of the pitchers and pray. A lot.

By lilman

June 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

Bennet did good job getting that 1st out, but couldn’t close the deal with the double play ball. Games over, see you tomorrow.

By bobby

June 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Any way that you look at it, the Braves are just an average or little below team. They really don’t play much worse with the injuries than they do without them. This has been going on for the last three years.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Bennett lately hasn’t met many inherited runners he wouldn’t allow to score….

HUDSON in interleague games for Braves: B-R-U-T-A-L. A loss today and he’ll fall to 1-11 with a 7.27 ERA in those tilts.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Games like this show how much we miss Moylan.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

princetonbrave Norton was walked…. umpire missed the call badly, not his fault. (I just sounded like Cox right there)

By KC

June 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Can we please stop sending Jeff Bennett out there in big game situations now?

Please Bobby?

By bsj

June 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Agreed, kirknga. I think both have been fairly solid. A couple of misplays by Jones, but otherwise…

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Game over!!!!!!!!!!!

I just had it when we lose a game because of low IQ of umps.

As if we didnt have enough trouble trying to win a game.

By monty

June 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Win one, lose one Bravo’s. Same ole same ole. Some guy gets called up from triple A and we make him out to be Cy Young. We had a chance with the bases loaded but you really didn’t place alot of hope in Norton did you?

By ijonathan

June 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

So what’s next for Frenchy, lasik surgery?

By jim

June 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

When Francouer crosses the Mendoza line, is there any special initiation to commemorate the event?

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

MR. Bobby Cox!!!!!!!!1

If Jeff Francouer is playing because he has earned the job………..

WTF have the fans earned? Watching such a bad performance????????

Have some respect for the fans also….. Get more people involved in RF. You are treating JF as if he was a superstar in a slump and he is not. He is just a developing kid, treat him as one.

TIME TO HIT THE BENCH…… WEEKS AGO!!!!!!

By Greg in TN

June 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Certainly not working out according to plans. Barajas has a quick bat, the homer he hit off of Huddy was a hanging slider inside and even though BMac was setting up outside, there was a Bennett pitch that was well inside that he got around on and rocketed it foul. I think we’ll be wanting to stay outside with this guy the rest of the series.

Ohman now in to pitch the seventh.

By northbeach Scott

June 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Do you suppose that Bennett does not understand that it is not a virtue to allow all of your inherited runners to score. Wow, what a lousy job of relief. Bennett’s overuse has him looking more like Reitsma everyday.

By P-Town Brave

June 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Good night Braves fans

Glad to see we showed up today against mediocre pitching…

a) Will someone please tell Frank Wren to make a trade for a bat w/ POWER, a HIGH OBP, and preferably an OF that doesn’t hit like a girl (see Francine)

b) Will someone tell Bobby that Greg Norton is a career pinch hitter and NOT a regular everyday player

c) Will someone tell Tim Hudson he is our ace and NOT a #4 starter

Back to mediocrity we go, but what can you expect from an average team w/ below average coaching…I mean we aren’t 40-42 for nothing

By Mr. Optimistic

June 28, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

ppl need to give bobby a break . if u bat mac 5th then they pitch around them and that leaves you what. 6 being norton or francour 7 being either one of them and brandon jones and brent l batting 8 and 9. u have to protect the lineup somewhat.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Why wasnt Ring in?

Isnt he better when people is on base?

By Deep Throat

June 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Looks like another 0-fer from Francoeur…whose OPS is now .692 (!). And that OPS is coming into today, so it will be worse.

So any predictions on when the Braves pull the plug on this train wreck? I think around when Francoeur’s average falls below .220.

Or maybe the Braves think Francoeur sells jerseys and tickets and they’ll never let him go. That’s possible. It certainly isn’t because the Braves believe Francoeur gives them the best chance to win ball games, heck no.

Free Jordan Schafer or another worthy minor league outfielder!©

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Let’s not throw Hudson overboard yet ok. Remember , like several others, Hudson is being asked to play a role he wasn’t initially asked to be. Smoltz was our #1 and Hudson our #2.

Given how quickly he loses “it”, Bobby left himself open for criticism in not pulling Hudson quicker.

I’ll take this opportunity to once again hope that the Braves pursue CC Sabathia. Nothing like a Cy Young winner in your rotation.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Coming back with half the team on the bench is almost impossible.

Seriously. This is not about JF, not against him. He just cant do it anymore on daily basis.

Managers put up lineups they think can help the team win. In which way is JF gonna help this team win???

No contribution, you sit, its easy.

What are you afraid about COX??? Im 100% all the baseball world (fans, media, players, etc) will understand it was time to bench him.

Stop this circus right now……

By NO MORE BOBBY

June 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Why is it so hard for this team to show up EVERY GAME with the killer instinct they had Friday against the Jays? Its like watching two teams!! They don’t have that “WE ARE HERE TO WIN” look they did Friday.

The bipolar Braves!!!!

By The Seven Words You Can Never Say If You Work in the Braves' Front Office

June 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Send Jeff Francoeur to the minor leagues.

By Robin

June 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Uhh-Ohhh!!!!

Couple more bloops and a blast ….ya never know!

By Steve from OH

June 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Gotta start showing Tex some love. He’s really stepped up in Chipper’s absence.

By Greg in TN

June 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Tex, Blanco and company are making it interesting.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Gotay is at .200

Time to send him packing as soon as Prado is back. what a useless guy from the bench.

Id rather have another arm on the roster than him.

TEX is just trying to carry the team…….welcome back big guy.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

As Tanner would say, “The cruddy game ain’t over!”

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Way To Go Tex!!

Maybe he is going to start carrying the team. The last two weeks have been worthy of our expectations.

Can we stop now with the trade him stuff?

By GeorgetownKid

June 28, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

kirknga

I don’t think we’re anywhere near “giving up” on Lilibridge or Jones, I am just wondering if the Braves are as high on them now as they were at the end of last season.

Do the Braves still believe that these are guys who could be quality starters in the big-leagues?

By Geoff

June 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

For those of you who know the game, you’ll know what I mean by saying, “We didnt need Tex to hit a home run right there”

By bsj

June 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

You naysaying whiners take the cake! I guess it’s only a great day when you wake up to find someone HASN’T p!&&ed your Corn Flakes.

By cabravesfan

June 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

umm-ok, nice little rally the Braves put together in the 8th…where the hell has that been all day?

By A-ville Ranger

June 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

One down in the eighth….game over.

By monty

June 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Another one run loss?

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

OOOOpss

Brian couldnt get on base to clear up the pitcher……sorry i meant Jeff F. So he will leadoff the 9th……. Lilly goes 2nd ……game over.

We will need a HR from B. Jones.

If chipper PH for Lilly, I suppose there is no one on the bench to play D, so we are scr……

By ijonathan

June 28, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Jeff Francoeur: Rob Deer without the power.

By KC

June 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Oh Dear Lord. We’re down by one run on the road. Why am I afraid of how this might end?

By Athens Brave

June 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

DOB, what are your thoughts on the passing of Uga 6? Even if you don’t like the Dawgs, you have to love Uga… best live mascot in college sports. That dog had a great personality, too.

By Chop Chop

June 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

How bout them Braves, huh? Four runs in the eighth off a pitcher who obviously had nothing. Tip of the hat to Blanco and Tex. A tip of the hat to Cito Gaston as well.

By the way, Sport South just had a nice shot of Bobby picking his nose while Acosta was on the mound. That is why those cameramen get paid the big bucks, folks. Ain’t nothin’ like a good ol’ Saturday afternoon pickin’, is there?

By Wayne in Utah

June 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

We have Corky Miller available on the bench today, and three walking wounded. Just who do you want Bobby to put in for Francouer??

JEEZ!! Get a frickin life, if this drives you that crazy! I guess we should bring up the world beater Josh Anderson, or put the unproven Jordan Schafer in RF. Maybe that highly touted Jason Perry, the one that strikes out a lot. Bet you guys would love that.

I swear I have never heard such frickin crybabys!

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

OK. I stand corrected. We did have a big inning. Too bad it happened after Huddy lost it and Bennett couldn’t contain the damage. Another one-run road loss?

How much you want to bet that Tex isn’t seeing another pitch between the on-deck circles the rest of the series?

Speaking of 7+ ERAs, check out Pedro’s numbers this year. Ugly.

By A-ville Ranger

June 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Acosta needs to be sent down,he has NO confidence,just a mess.

By Kev

June 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

and now that they tried to Comeback….HERE’S WHERE ALL THE INHERITED RUNS BENNETT GAVE UP HURT!! A lot…we would’ve Been winning THIS game if it wasnt for Bennett…Geez…

By tbo

June 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Just saw Bobby go to his nose. That is the absolute best move he can make. For example, consistently putting Francouer in, putting the NO-pitching idiots in the game, Bennett and Acosta, etc. Pick another good one for us Bobby! Watch, just so we can lose by one, the Braves will get a run in the ninth.

By Jeff in Alabama

June 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

BFIR Man, I almost expected him to be rolling a pair of ball bearings in his hand and muttering about strawberries.

Coach Queeg… now THAT’S funny!

By Robin

June 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Attaway Manny, put it on a plate for ‘em for cryin’ out loud! UFB!

By Soul Man

June 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Who didn’t know Acosta wasn’t going to pitch a scoreless inning?

By The Seven Words You Can't Say in the Braves Dugout

June 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Come On Manny Acosta, Hold That Lead

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Geoff thats true, but that also was a momentum changer…….. what we really needed was for Mc to get on base…..

That would have cleared JF giving more breathing room in the 9th.

Now we are toasted…….1 run was almost imposible…….

2 runs…….that just wont happen.

Not with JF and Lilly hitting in the 9th.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Good idea Bobby, Bring Acosta into the game.

Manny Acosta is 0-3 with an ERA of 7.59 in his last ten appearances.

GREAT JOB BOBBY ! Your team gets back within one run and you kill them !

By Deep Throat

June 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Well, it’s no longer in line to be a one-run road loss.

Why Acosta over Stockman again? Oh right, Bowman says it’s cause the Braves believe Stockman’s big leg kick could allow for a stolen base attempt late in the game.

I agree. Who cares how bad Acosta is and will continue to be, or how many scoreless innings Stockman throws in the majors and AAA? As long as there is not a stolen base attempt!

By Coach Smith

June 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

TYPICAL BRAVES THIS SEASON

Give you just enough HOPE to break your HEART

At least MANNY made sure we wouldn’t lose by ONE RUN

Manny may need to go back to Richmond for a while…the guy has been throwing Batting Practice for a while now

By BravesFan79

June 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Man….would of been nice to get Gonzo in this game in the 8th to keep it a 1 run game…. 2 bad he was used last night in a blowout.
Why does Bobby not think about these things ahead of time??

By Wayne in Utah

June 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

To those who think the game is over, why do you stick around??? Heck, you can go mow the lawn (cut the grass for those in the south), fire up the grill, or go visit mama.

And you stay around to watch/listen to a game that is “already over” as you have stated. Smart….

By Soul Man

June 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

If MLB’s Gameday is to be believed, Manny threw Rios at least two strikes. When you’re pitching like Manny, though, you shouldn’t expect umpires to give you anything close. For what it’s worth, if the Braves are going to lose, I hope it’s not by one run.

By Mike

June 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

God, I hate Acosta!!!

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

GeorgetownKid

Why wouldn’t the Braves still be high on these guys? I still say they, and most of the young players, have not played enough to give up on yet.

This includes Acosta who leads the league in appearances by rookies and has hit a wall.

Many on this blog are very generous with their praise of these guys down in the minors. They are very protective of them….”don’t trade them”, they say.

Then they get to the major leagues and don’t immediately dominate as they did in the minors and people get real disappointed really quick.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

If I did my job the way Bobby Cox does, I’d be fired in a heartbeat !

By Mr. Analogy

June 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Frenchy’s batting average is to the Mendoza line as…

A moth is to a flame

By northbeach Scott

June 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Nice work by Longball Manny to ensure that Braves will lose by more than 1 run. He needs to catch that long train back to Richmond to get his confidence and competence back.

By DerekZ

June 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Send Acosta to Richmond! Why is this not a no brainer!

By Andy

June 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Manny Acosta was well rested for another blown inning. Why is he here over Stockman???????? This guy sucks so much it ain’t funny.

By Andy

June 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Manny Acosta was well rested for another blown inning. Why is he here over Stockman???????? This guy sucks so much it ain’t funny.

By Geoff

June 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

DocHoliday… you are agreeing with me in that it more or less killed the rally and still left us one-run down, enabling Talet to pitch with no pressure at all. The HR will only go as a nice “statbook” victory if the Braves lose

By Coach Smith

June 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

MANNY HAS TO GOOOOOOOOOO

And why why why why did COX leave him in after that run, hit, and then walk?

There you go…leave him in long nough to make sure that we have NO CHANCE in the 9th…PATHETIC

By monty

June 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Tough day for the pen!

By tbo

June 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Hey Cox. You are a complete FOOL. Good job putting Acosta in there. He did good by only allowing 3 runs. Now we may come back and get 3 so we can have Francouer come up and strike out to end the game for a one run loss.

By bsj

June 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Man, I’m glad I don’t have to party with you guys. And, thankfully, I don’t have to blog with you either. Good luck with this, DOB. I think you’ll need it.

By cabravesfan

June 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

The offense finally wakes up and gets us back in the game…and Manny Acosta give up 3 in the bottom of the 8th…good job Manny!

By Derek

June 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Why would Frenchy swing at a 3-1 pitch when we need base runners?

By BravesFan79

June 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Yea we allowed another run in the 8th……wait make that 3….this is fckin terrible… wow Bobby is AMAZING at managing close games!

I think Bobby shakes his Magic 8 ball before he makes every decision…” o 8 ball…who do i bring in… Corky? but i have Chipper on the bench…. owell….get em Cork!”

“O 8 ball were up by 14 runs…who do i bring in to finishup the game…. our closer?? o ok…gotta protect that 2 touchdown lead!”

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

If you take a look to HRs……..

KJ 7

Yunel 6

JF 8

What is that about? Couldnt tell which of them are middle IF and which the RF.

Come on Cox, the guy hits a pop up to start the 9th and walks all the way back to the dogout with his head down……and I mean it……..all the way….. He just cant stand it anymore…… putting him in is just pressing even more……

Even Lilly got a single……. unreal.

By Dawg88

June 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Dave,

Please ask BC this question:

Why does Brain McCann hit #6 behind JF or even Norton today when the Braves face lefties?

And please don’t accept the lefty/righty argument. It get old hearing that one. Plus, McCann hits about 50 points higher vs lefties despite being lefty vs lefty.

Norton is hitting .210 and BC thinks it is better for him to hit behind Tex. Please! And until recently he has hit behind JF even though he is fading fast.

Is he just hard headed and will not go against “the book” as they say. He is so predictable its unbelieveable!

Now if anyone wants to argue against McCann hitting 5th….answer me this:

Who would the Braves players, fans, and most of the coaching staff rather have up there when the bases were loaded today 1) Norton (who BTW popped out after the umpire blew the strike 2 call) or 2)McCann (who will be a 3 time All-Star by this time next week)?

Oh…I’d much rather have Norton up there not some sorry All-Star catcher. Yeah, right!

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

I don’t think I’ve ever spoken ill of Acosta, but he may really need to go to Richmond and figure some things out.

While we’re at it, why is Corky on the roster? I mean the Braves had Sal Fasano in the minors and basically gave him away. If you’re worried about harming Sammons’ development by having him sit most of the time, why in the name of all that is good and decent did anyone think that Corky was a better backup than Fasano?

I feel like the Aflac duck in the commercial with Yogi.

By TexasBrave

June 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Bring in Chipper to hit for Gotay!!!!

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Many of the same people who are calling for Stockman now are the same people who were praising Acosta last season.

How quickly people forget that Acosta was in not going to be asked to be the closer or setup guy.

This season is a testament to what happens when you ask too many young and role players to perform in key situations they aren’t suited to handle.

By A-ville Ranger

June 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Forget the bullpen era,we all know this pen can’t pitch in the clutch…except for Gonzo.I’m so gd tired of watching sweating,scared,pouting, BOYS sent in to do a man’s job.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Geoff,

A HR “killed the rally”? Take the runs, man, let the rest sort itself out.

By Edward

June 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

And THEN ACOSTA HAPPENED

Its ridicoulous with This guy now….WHY is he STILL ON THIS TEAM…is beyond Comprehension…WHAT is FRANK WREN waiting for….hes not giving the Results the Braves want…i DONT UNDERSTANd…Isnt there ANYONE ELSE in the Minors that CAN DO a better JOb than this loser…Geeez…Thank You A-Cost-YA…

By tbo

June 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Can somebody please get rid of Bobby Cox? This is ridiculous! Coach, you are so right. If ANYONE performed their job the way BC does they would have been fired 3 years ago. WTF. I can’t stand it anymore! Go Phillies.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Only players with at least 200 ABs with lower OPS than JF are:

Ooopss…. only blanco…….not good

With at least 100 ABs:

just add diaz…….. Badddddd.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Another lefty, another loss and the beat goes on. The Braves have not seen .500 since June 8th. Thats eighteen straight games of sub .500 baseball and counting. Atlanta is now 12-17 versus the southpaws and 28-25 against right handers.

Jeff Francoeur is now hitting .241 for the season. He has hit .135 in his last ten games and has not homered in sixteen contests. Talk about an automatic out!

At least the Twins are winning!

Positivity indeed !

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

What was that about…….Maybe im not a major league manager……but letting gotay hit and then putting chipper on deck??????

Am I missing something?

WTH would you do that?

Thats is (at least in my head) a horrible move.

By TexasBrave

June 28, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Dam Bobby what in the he11 is wrong with you. Gotay has no business being in the 2-hole and then when something gets going you decide that you would rather pinch hit for KJ who has a hit today against a lefty instead of below the Mendoza line Gotay. What brilliant management.

By Kev

June 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Mississippi Called…They Want their Closer Back…Hurry Up Wren and Do it!

By cabravesfan

June 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

ESPN just scrolled an interesting stat- over the last 30 days (not including today) Tex leads the NL with 11 HRs and 31 RBI…can’t ask much more then that

By Poll of Braves/MIB Blog Posters

June 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Worst Braves?

A. Manny Acosta

B. Jeff Francoeur

C. Ruben Gotay

D. Corky Miller

By Eman

June 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Ok guys, time to learn your team:

If the braves are down 1 run going into the 9th on the road, they’re going to lose.

if Acosta didn’t give up those runs you would be seeing the new record holder for most consecutive one run losses on the road

By Poll of Braves/MIB Blog Posters

June 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Worst Brave?

A. Manny Acosta

B. Jeff Francoeur

C. Ruben Gotay

D. Corky Miller

By chopperhobby

June 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Those who pay no attention to the past (Acosta) are destined to relive it - simply unbelievable!!!!!

By northbeach Scott

June 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

French swung at that 3-1 pitch because he is a) stupid b) selfish c) does not know what the f**k he is doing d) vision problem e) minor leager f) all of the above.

I am going with f). Look forward to booing your worthless azz in the Phillies series French F**k.

By Lorena Bobbitt

June 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Gotay is batting in the 2-hole because you want his sub .200 batting average to come up as many times as possible?

Brilliant, Cox, brilliant.

Also, you gotta send Frenchy down at this point. Anyone else would be an improvement.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies you 1st of all take the runs……

By Jeff321

June 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

You Cox groupies have to agree that Acosta is a disaster.. Does anyone want to rationalize sending Stockman down while Acosta is stinking up the joint? Does Cox love losers? Can you smell that 3rd place finish cooking again?

By Britt

June 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

It is amazing that we are still in it with all our injuries and poor hitting. This division is kind of flawed. The Marlins record is surprising because most people had them picked as the worst team coming in. The Mets are dysfunctional in every since of the word. As for the Phillies, they should just be kicking themselves. In terms of this division they are the healthiest team. If I were them I would really be worried because in this division, with all the stuff going on with the Mets, Braves, and Marlins there is no reason why their lead shouldn’t be huge. I guess it proves that the Phillies philosophy is wrong. They have one good pitcher in Hamels but after that its all down hill. You can have the best offense in the world but as their recent slide shows good pitching beats good offense any day. Even if they do win the division I don’t see the Phillies doing much after that especially in their ballpark.

By Hey, Something's Not Right

June 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

How could the Braves give up 9 runs. I thought they had the best ERA in the National League!

Something’s not right here.

By Chop Chop

June 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

How dare Joe and Boog question the lineup (Norton instead of McCann hitting behind Tex) Bobby Cox put out there today!

Neither of those two chucklehead announcers is a future Hall of Famer!

For shame!

By Tomas

June 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

very dissapointed in manny. Damn Soriano and his elbow problems.

By hosea

June 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

It would have been a lot closer if we weren’t ACOSTAED again….when is he going awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??!!

By Hey, Something's Not Right

June 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

The Braves are trying to break your heart.

By BravesFan79

June 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Look people.. im not ready to give up on Acosta. Hes a guy that can really help the Braves when hot. But right now.. hes NOT HOT! Kinda like Andrew ALL OF LAST YEAR, like WOODWARD ALL OF LAST YEAR!

The Braves would of been so much better last year if cox had NOT used Soriano so much when he was in his slump, and NOT used Wickman in away game save situations!
Bob Wickman was one of the best home closers in the game, we cut him because Bobby didnt know how to use him!
yea i know Big Bob was not happy….but maybe he would of been happier had Bobby used him wiser.

Can we please get a manager that knows when to play hot players….and when to sit cold ones!!

By Deep Throat

June 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Does anyone think the Braves are throwing the season? How else can you explain Acosta over Stockman and, previously, Ridgway over Stockman? Or Jeff Francoeur never missing any real playing time? Or the fact that left field is still a black hole and no trades have been made?

The Braves’ front office is either throwing the season on purpose or they’re idiots. It’s gotta be one.

By A-ville Ranger

June 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Kirknga, I liked Acosta when he looked like he could (and had the nevers to) pitch.A manager has to live in reality,that means TODAY’S reality.How many thought he was going to get the job done today ? besides Bobby Cox and Mcdowell I mean.

By tbo

June 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Blanco was 4 for 5 in the lead off spot. He has been fabulous. What do you think the Genius Bobby Cox will do when Escobar comes back? Of course we know he will put him back in the leadoff spot and sit Blanco.

Bobby, will you please retire? That’s the only way we will be rid of him because management will not do it.

By MBPELICAN

June 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

seems like we’ve had a million chances to get back to .500 these past 2 weeks, and we just can’t win to get back.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Poll of Braves/MIB Blog Posters

What a bad poll, Gotay and corky are not even braves.

I would say, right now…..JF.

League has adjusted to him, they now the game plan is….. just dont throw a strike, he will get himself out.

Acosta has been bad lately, but JF is just awful at this moment.

northbeach Scott you are out of line saying Jeff is stupid…. that would be enough to ignore you.

My answer would be……. he doesnt have any discipline nor knowledge of the strike zone.

By Hey, Something's Not Right

June 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

This division is kind of flawed.

No - it’s as solid as the idea of giving no money down, adjustable rate mortgages to anyone who wanted one.

By The Goche

June 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

For those of you who know the game, you’ll know what I mean by saying, “We didnt need Tex to hit a home run right there”

That is an absolutely ridiculous statement: “For those of you who know the game,”—hilarious.

Right…those of us who know the game realize that it is better to be down by two with a runner on than to be down by one with no runners on.

Or even more likely, three runs down with two runners on.

Brilliant.

I’m glad we have people who know the game around to keep us straight.

Anyone who would choose to not have runs to keep “pressure” on is just silly.

What sounds like more pressure to you: being up by three runs with runners on and one out or having blown four runs of a five run lead with only one out?

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Well in the past Acosta did a terrific job. Including his saves in the minors and the month he was up in the majors.

When the team limited his role he performed well, including a brief stint as closer. But due to injuries he had to pitch more and in more critical situations than he likely would have if Soriano and Moylan were healthy.

With the exception of Ohman, each of the Braves pitchers today deserve their share of this loss, not just Acosta.

Acostas’ worst mistake was the success he had initially. Now when he struggles for the first time, he is shown zero mercy.

We should treat our rookies much better than that.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Does anyone knows when is Prado gonna be here? Cant stand Gotay anymore.

Will Kotsay be ready for phillies series? If so……he needs to play CF and Blanco RF.

Positive stuff so far…….Blanco is getting his AVg and OBP up. TEX heating up in the same period, that spells runs.

Chipper, Prado, Yunel and Infante injured at the same time spells trouble……big time.

Winning this series would be huge, unreal.

Time for the rest of the injured people to get their axxex here.

By Supes

June 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

I see the TM article has been closed for comments and that my comment was erased or lost somehow from the other day. I guess the AJC can’t take constructive criticism.

Anyways…since that is close…TM how about it? Your “boy” Jeff going 0-fer again today. Anymore excuses? What’s next? A Jeff Shultz article to defend Francouer? I mean after the big “guns” of MB and TM have been used to defend him, I guess Jeff Shultz is next.

Yeah…I just saw the stats on Braves Live. FRANCINE hitting a robust .116 the past 8 games with an OBP’s of .206? UNREAL that Jeff still has a job in the majors. If that was Blanco’s stats or any other outfielder, everyone would be screaming for them to be cut.

Speaking of Blanco, have a day Gregor. First 4 hit game of his career. Awesome. He’s earning more playing time when Kotsay returns.

What’s it going to take for Jeff to sit, or be sent down? Him hitting below the mendoza line? A few more K’s and DP with the sacks jacked? I guess tomorrow Brian Jordan will have a “Jeff Francouer” special. I hope someone TiVo’s that for Jeff, maybe that’s the answer?

And all the Bobby Cox apologists…please defend the decision to have GREG NORTON hitting behind TEX, instead of B-Mac? B-Mac mashing the ball against LH pitching but NO…the genious of BOBBY COX has NORTON hitting behind TEX? Explanation? Reasonable? Anyone?

Meanwhile, TEX continues the hot hitting. Awesome job by Mark. Man does it ever hurt to have Chipper out right now. The way TEX is mashing the ball, if Chipper was healthy in the lineup…you know runs will be scored!

I hope the Braves win this series tomorrow. Need to win the series and finish on a positive note…and get ready for the series with the Phillies.

DOB, would you please ask Bobby Cox tomorrow or whenever you get a chance why not hit B-Mac after TEX in the lineup? I’m curious to know the answer. Thank you.

By StingerSplash

June 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

So the Braves brass or higher ups or whoever would have us believe that Acosta can get outs better or more than Stockman? Seriously? I know it didn’t come down to an Acosta vs. Stockman scenario, but Stockman was the last righty to be sent back down, so he is logically the next one to be brought back up. Can we please have seen the last of Mr. Acosta for a while? He wanted to be the late inning guy and he has spit the bit.

By SnuffySmith

June 28, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

When I looked at the NL standings this morning I couldnt believe it. The Braves have had a horrible June but in spite of that have actually GAINED ground on the NL East leaders. When the Braves started the month they were about 6 1/2 games out of first place. Despite playing just a couple games over .500 the Braves have actually gained 3 games this month and are approaching the top of the division. Not bad for a team that has been decimated by injuries and have had a lot of their key starters either out (Chipper) or in slumps (Francour). The only way that this could happen is the steadying influence of BOBBY COX. Bobby never waivers at all. He is steady as she goes. Thats why Bobby will certainly make the Hall of Fame as one of the greatest managers in the 21st Century. Bobby has kept the team together and continues to push the right buttons to keep them competitive. When everyone gets healthy and some of the Braves starters return to the starting lineup look for the Braves to make a strong run in competing for the division lead and possibly adding another divivion flag at turner field along with the many others. The Braves are talented but are just not jelling as a team just yet but when they do I expect them to make the post season by at least a wild card berth and really make a very good run at the NL penant. Should the Braves need an extra bat down the stretch, if I were the Braves GM I would consider calling Barry Bonds agent just to see if Barry is ready to play. Bonds would help this lineup immeasurably and get them over the hump. Well it should be an interesting year to say the least. Go Braves!

By KC

June 28, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Gotta hold BC accountable.

I love Bobby Cox… I really do. But he’s GOT to be held accountable for some of these inexcusable errors in judgment.

Brain Jordan, Joe Simpson, and Boog all said what I was thinking from the moment I saw the lineups this afternoon…

Brain McCann should have been hitting 5th.

He’s hitting .344 off lefties, and he’s the ONLY one in the lineup right now capable of protecting Tex in the order.

I’m not saying Bobby cost them this game… but he might have. We’ll never know what might have happened had they been forced to pitch to Tex the 2 times they walked him, or had McCann been up with the bases loaded instead of Norton.

This is another installment in what has been a series of head-scratchers (to be very nice about it) from Bobby Cox.

The last year or two, things seem to be going downhill for Bobby in terms of his judgement.

I don’t every remember hearing (quite loyal) Braves announcers and former Braves player such as Joe Simpson, Brian Jordan, and Ron Gant publicly question decisions Bobby has made.

That to me is the most telling thing.

I hate to say it… I really do, but it’s probably about time for Bobby to call it a brilliant career and hand the reigns to TP.

By A-ville Ranger

June 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Kirknga This isn’t charity it’s professional baseball.Acosta will make more this season than most men with families to feed will make this decade.He has pitched awful lately,more to the point it’s obvious he doesn’t have the confidence to pitch in clutch situations.He should be sent down or used to mop-up till he looks ready to do his job.

By KC

June 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

That is… “hand the reins to TP. Sorry.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

If I were GM, I’d have Acosta packing for Richmond and Stockman ready for the homestand. No, actually, I’d have Stockman here tomorrow to replace Acosta.

Manny looks like a deer caught in the headlights right now. Just can’t do the job right now, and hasn’t for the past month.

By northbeach Scott

June 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

Doc H I stand corrected, perhaps Frenchy is mildly retarded or a moron instead of stupid. What would lead you to believe that he is not stupid? Sounds like a dim bulb when interviewed. Unable to learn or adjust. Has no plan at the plate and uses the same bad approach, no matter what the circumstances, count, or pitcher. Unless you have some specific information to the contrary, I am guessing Frenchy is a dumb cluck, lights on nobody home,perhaps in the Chuck James intellectual zone.

Would also agree that Frenchy has no grasp of the strike zone and lack of discipline. Any way that you cut it he has a lot of work to do to become a big league hitter. I would argue this is not a slump that he will get over. Rather, he is fundamentally flawed as a hitter and is going to really have to work to be useful to the Braves.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

tbo

You are right……75% chance he will do that. Id like to let KJ hit 2nd and let yunel hit 6th.

BLANCO, KJ, CHIPPER, TEX, MC, YUNEL, KOTSAY, JF.

If kotsay rests: BLANCO, KJ, CHIPPER, TEX, MC, YUNEL, BJ, JF

By gotigers72

June 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

A Triple A pitcher beating a Double A lineup. Seriously, the Braves had about 3 major league hitters in the lineup today. They don’t have a chance until Chipper and Yunel comeback. And until they send a couple of relief pitchers to the minors [Bennett and Acosta], and get some guys up here that can hold the other team down for an inning or two. Stockman would be one good replacement. Worried about his slow move to home with runners on base? That is one of the more lame excuses I’ve heard for leaving him at Triple A while keeping Acosta, Bennett and Jeff Freakin’ Ridgway on the ML level. Stockman has been dominant at Richmond and for the 7 innings he pitched with the big club. Runners have to get on before they can steal, and his WHIP is right around one.

They had 2 hitters below the Mendoza line in the lineup today [Lillibridge and Gotay], another one real close [Norton at .204], and another one nosediving very quickly that way [Francoeur]. Yet they still scored 5 runs because they do have SOME ML hitters. Gotay needs to go. Easy to see why the Mets released him. I’ve never seen anybody take as many good pitches and swing at as many bad pitches in my life. At least they have ML level starting pitchers and even some good relievers. Even though Huddy had a bad day today. You’ve gotta admit, those young guys have really come through. If someone had told you that the Braves’starting rotation would not include Smoltz or Glavine, but guys named Morton, Reyes, Campillo and Jurrjens, you would not think that they would be only 2 games below .500. More like 20 games under .500, especially with the lineups they have had to run out there lately.

Like many of you, I’m frustrated with this team’s play, but they still have a legitimate shot if they get their injured players back soon, and if the Young Guns continue with their nice work. They really need to get Chipper back next week when the Phillies come to town. I’m just afraid he’ll hurt that quad worse and be out for a month or so. If that happens….

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

I also agree with those who’d have Blanco (or Kotsay) move to RF when Kotsay gets back. Francoeur needs to go down for a bit, but it’ll never happen.

By varoadrunner

June 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

For God’s sake, how long is it going to take Wren to act?

Maybe he should be dismissed and replaced with Goofy. He’d do as well as Frank has been doing.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

I liked Acosta when he looked like he could (and had the nevers to) pitch. A-ville Ranger

Exactly my point! What does it say that people here only like you when you have success?

I think it’s pretty weak to praise a guy, bring him up from the minors, he does well, put him in a role you didn’t want him to be in, then he still does well, and now he’s had a few bad weeks and he’s trash!

I got news for you people, Stockman is not the answer! He has a fresh arm so he might provide a streak of good outings. But like Acosta, he’s a rookie too!

Shame on you people who only back the rookies and young players when they’re going good. Way to stand up for your players.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

KC so much truth in your words……your last post I mean.

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

When Kotsay returns, the outfield should look like this:

LF: Blanco

CF: Kotsay

RF: B. Jones/Francoeur

By Goodoleboy58

June 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

I think our biggest needs remain another arm out of the bullpen and somebody in the OF that can hit from the right side… I’m too discouraged after that outing to say much more today… Congrats to Blanco and Tex for good days

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

DOB I agree with sending Acosta back to AAA for stockman, but, what is ridgway doing here then?

BTW, I have to admit KJ is looking solid enough at the plate. He has look comfortable hitting 3rd. Id let him hit 2nd once Yunel is back and send behind Mc.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Sorry……I didnt notice ridgway is not here……hard to notice…….right

By Lorena Bobbitt

June 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Well said, KC at 4:40. I agree, it’s long past time to sever ties with Cox!

By TexasBrave

June 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

SuffySmith while I agree Bobby has been able to hold these Braves together to keep us in striking distance of the division lead. I also have to wonder that if he had some better in game managing decisions whether or not we would be closer or in first place by now.

I also agree with KC that Bobby has made more questionable game time judgement calls during the past two years than he has over much of his Atlanta career.

Thus you have to pick your poison, because you might be able to bring someone else with great game management skills but may not be able to hold this team together the way Bobby can. Either way this team is a .500 ball club unless we start scoring a ton of runs to take those decisions out of the managers hands.

By northbeach Scott

June 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

kirknga Are you nine years old? Perhaps you are one of those kids who finished 8th in the race and received a trophy to enhance your self esteem and now believes that should apply in the real world.

When professional athletes stink it should be called out. These guys make a lot of money to play a kid’s game that occur in the public eye. Criticism goes witht the territory. Acosta, while limited in major league experience is a 27 year old man who can take it. If he can’t take it, he does not belong.

You may not know this but folks on this blog are entitled to voice (or vent)their opinions. Not all of us are such Homers that we would never utter a discouraging word. Also, who are you to shame us. P*ss off.

By Deep Throat

June 28, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

I also agree with those who’d have Blanco (or Kotsay) move to RF when Kotsay gets back. Francoeur needs to go down for a bit, but it’ll never happen.

But why is the question. Why do the Braves give so much more slack to Francoeur than they do everyone else, especially players his age? Why is Francoeur’s spot secure and Kelly Johnson seemingly always fighting off platoons and losing playing time to Prado, Gotay and Infante?

Why can’t Francoeur be sent down to minors, like ever again? Why does this team not reward success (Stockman) and punish bad play (Francoeur, Acosta, Corky Miller)?

Seriously, what makes Francoeur so special (it certainly ain’t his play)? It’s become very clear that some animals are more equal than others in the Braves’ clubhouse.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Need some help from the yankees….. Santana on the mound……and winning…….not good.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

This isn’t charity it’s professional baseball.

Supporting your players only when they do well is what I expect of someone watching a charity game! Pro sports fans have more heart than that so…shrug

Counting last season, the guy has had 3 good months and 1 bad month. I believe he has earned some freakin leeway!

No other contending team has a rookie as a closer. Few, if any, have one as the primary setup guy.

You want him to play a lesser role for awhile, fine, that’s ok, but it’s way too early to give up on the guy.

And if they call up Stockman,another rookie, and he isn’t the answer, what then? How many the same people who swear he’s the answer will quickly throw him under the bus?

There is some reason obvious to the Braves why Stockman is not here and people should adjust their expectations of him accordingly.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

This team will stay 3rd and 4th as long as:

1. They play JF everyday.

2. Dont send Corky packing.

3. Dont send Gotay packing.

4. Dont send Cox to a shrink (not to say packing).

5. Dont get all of their bullpen involved (ring, Carlyle, stockman when here).

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

northbeach Scott

Are you mentally retarded or just a wus of a fan?

You have a player who does well for 3 months then has a bad month, you don’t throw him under the bus, especially if he’s rookie playing a role he shouldn’t.

And for your information when I was 9 this Braves team sux’d! Even at 9 I still had enough sense to understand that all players slump and rookies and young players are inconsistent.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

Im afraid Manuel is doing a much better job than Randolph. Dont look now, but i think he will get the muts to the top and we will have to win that dog fight if we want the flag……mets are not going south.

Braves need somebody like him…..he is kicking some butt.

By etownbrave

June 28, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

Totally agree with sending down Acosta for Stockman. JF should also be at least benched or platooned as that is what happened when KJ was so awful earlier this season. A few days off would not hurt JF if they are unwilling to send him to Richmond to relearn the strike zone and/or how to hit. McFann….really like your platoon in RF. Platoon there instead of in LF.

By Dan in NJ

June 28, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Many here are amazed that the Braves are still in this race, considering all the injuries. But i don’t believe that many games were because of the injuries. Examples… Batting G. NOrton 5th.? Which many teams wouldn’t even want him on their bench. BUT BC bats him 5th.? that Has NOTHING to do with injury. M. Acosta.(he been horible lately) but not bad enough for BC to leave him out of games. same thing. J.Frenchy, Batting 5th or 6th soooo many times til recently, Having extra arms in the pen(which BC never uses anyway), instead of a bat like J.A. esp. for late situations. Over using Boyer,Acosta,bennett. and much more.

Bottom line best ERA, and Top 3 or so in AVE. that should tell you B.Cox just aint the answer. People can blame players all they want. But like someone mentioned, if i didn’t preform results at my job, REGARDLESS of the situation, i’d be long gone. Even if i tried to blame the gas prices, real estate or the economy and so on.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

northbeach Scott

I never said people shouldn’t voice their opinion or criticize. You created that lie and then got all bent out of shape about your own fantasy.

Priceless indeed.

If you are going to voice an opinion then don’t cry when people don’t agree with it. I don’t take it personally that people don’t agree with my opinion.

I also don’t praise and build up expectations of players and then abandon them at the first sign of trouble. That goes doubly so if they have done well in roles I know they aren’t ready to play yet.

That’s my point. Nothing more, nothing less.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

etownbrave right

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

If muts dont start hitting soon, their 120 M (or whatever) lefty, will go to .500.

By ccrider

June 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

We Braves fans all connect the success or failure of a season to our own observations of the reasons for that same success or failure. I will look back on the mistakes and achievements of Frank Wren. The biggest impact was of course the Renteria Trade. It is one that will live in infamy in Detroit for a long time. Jair has been amazing, and at 22 years old can anchor this staff for a long time. Gorky Hernandez , with his defense, speed, batting eye , may turn into an All-Star along with Jair. The signing of Jorge Campillo has turned out stellar as well. Bennett was a good sign even though I feel he would be better as a starter. The trade for Ohman and Infante has been solid. Unfortunately, our GM has also had some glaring failures and decisions that may not be as important as his long term trading for Gorky and Jair ,but may have sunk our chances to make it to the playoffs this year. You look at other playoff contenders such as Milwaukee, Florida and the Phillies and their benches are filled with mostly proven vets that have shared time or filled in for injured players with much success. Milwaukee with Gabe Kapler, Russell Branyan, Craig Counsell. Florida with Luis Gonzalez, Wes Helms and Cody Ross. Philadelphia with Greg Jenkins , Greg Dobbs, Carlos Ruiz, So Tuguchi and Jason Werth. Let’s look back at the Braves bench to start the sesaon, Corky Miller, Gregor Blanco, Martin Prado, Branyan Pena and , I believe Scott Thorman. This was and still is probably the weakest bench in all of baseball. It is a bench with little talent, little experience, little upside and no post season background. Unfortunatly, we have been beset with injuries and the replacements became Greg Norton, Rubin Gotay, Brandon Jones, Britt Lillibridge and STILL CORKY MILLER! A bench with little talent(Norton and Gotay) No experience(Jones and Lilli) and NO TALENT OR UPSIDE(CORKY). It is a bench that hasn’t been able to contribute very often, has defensive issues and either don’t belong in the majors or is not ready. The bullpen has been much the same: we lose Soriano and Moylan for either all or much of the season. We have Gonzalez miss the first 2.5 months of the season. The bullpen has consisted of vitual rookies(Acosta, Moylan, Bennett,Ring, Ridgeway, Resop), slightly longer vets but with meager talent(Buddy) and one vet with a track record Wil Ohman. I do not find it surprising we have lost so many 1-run games, when your bullpen has been so young and so diluted. I hope our GM will learn from this year and in the future build a better bench and a more experienced bullpen. This was an unusual year with all the injuries, but the lack of a bench and a the inexperienced bullpen may already have cost us the playoffs. A contending team has to be deep, experienced and talented from the get go to win a World Series.

By BraveTiger

June 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

DOB, I agree with you. Acosta needs to go down so he can get regular work and get his confidence back and maybe he would be ready if needed later in the season.

Also, I agree about Frenchy. Maybe when Kotsey comes back, sit him for 2-3 games. But that probably won’t happen either.

By A-ville Ranger

June 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Kirknga, That is about the silliest reasoning I’ve seen in some time.So it’s THE FANS of pro sports that should be more professional ? and THE PLAYERS who should be pandered to ? Yea, that’s the way it should work.

By prattvillenolzfan

June 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

One comment I heard Boog & Joe make today that went virtually unnoticed is that Frank Wren decided to make the trip this week-end.

Joe said that he asked Wren about trade possibilities and Wren said they believe they have the pitching, but they are looking for a power/outfield bat

Unfortunately everyone else in the majors is looking for the same thing and some of the “border wild-card” teams still think they have a chance, so they are not ready to deal…..

I haven’t heard that much about Wren traveling w/the team….DOB how often does Wren accompany the Braves on out of town trips….

Mark my words guys, (and McFann & Roman Gal) Something Big is going to happen

I don’t think it’s going to be Brandon or Blanco.

As far as commenting on Cox screwing up the pitching situation/line-up…There’s really not alot we can say….Same song, different record….(Maybe Wren is taking notice of that too….)

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

Thanks, etownbrave!

.299…Sub-.300 for first time since May 7, but still an acceptable AVG.

(Soto 0-3 with two K’s, and 6 LOB)

By prattvillenolzfan

June 28, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

As far as Franceour being benched..

All that would happen if he was “benched”, is that he would be the one to come up in a pinch-hitting situation late in the game….

Is that what we want…..

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

It’s not my first choice, but I don’t have a major issue with sending Acosta down.

I believe you can “come back baby because rock-n-roll never forgets.”

I hope for Stockman(and the teams’) sake that we catch lighting in a bottle again and he does well. But I will say the same thing if he doesn’t and people throw him under the bus in short order too.

By NO MORE BOBBY

June 28, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

For all you Bobby Cox lovers out there - swallow your pride and Red Man chew and admit Cox is hurting this team by standing by players like Acosta. Why is this guy pitching in the majors????

Its great to not give up on a player in May but end of June and they are still not coming through… that is being selfish to the rest of the Braves.

Remember there is no I in team but there is in IDIOT and thats what Cox is for sticking with some of these losers!!

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

June 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

DOB

So I guess I’m out of time-out now??

I said don’t take that comment personally about the blog, I just meant that it seems like some of the regulars don’t post as much anymore since we ran into this onslaught of negativity.

I assume you understood that my comment about the Patriots losing was only meant to say that even the best teams lose sometimes just because they do. It’s not always a failure of some epic proportion as it is just a good game played hard between 2 teams. To take a teams recent loss/losses and use it to negate a lifetime’s worth of work by an individual is just ridiculous.

That’s all that I meant.

Gotta go to the club now, I wish Coach would come tonight so I could “greet” him properly. LOLOL

By Jeff321

June 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

And if they call up Stockman,another rookie, and he isn’t the answer, what then? How many the same people who swear he’s the answer will quickly throw him under the bus?

I would much rather see Stockman failing than Acosta for the 300th time! And sure, if Stockman doesn’t pitch like he has, then I’d call for his ouster as well. But, ya have to admit, Stockman has a whole lot of disappointing outings to catch up with Acosta, eh? The object in this game is to win and Acosta clearly isn’t a winner.. and the “decider” clearly hasn’t been a winner since 1995. I mean, the World Series is what its still all about, right?

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

A-ville Ranger

I never said any such thing. Please don’t make up stuff and say that I said it.

You want to disagree with me, fine, I can accept that.

I just ask that you don’t lie about what it was I said.

I’ll repeat my point: …don’t praise and build up expectations of players and then abandon them at the first sign of trouble. That goes doubly so if they have done well in roles I know they aren’t ready to play yet.

It’s not just Acosta, but other young playerss as well. Someone asked if the Braves are still high on B Jones and Lillbridge and they haven’t even played enough to know.

It’s about a pattern. People praise players for their minor league performance. They claim these players are valuable and should be kept out of trades. They say that these players are the answer to address the teams’ weakness.

Then, if they don’t immediately duplicate that minor league success, or turn out to be an improvement of what we already had, then those same people throw those players under the bus.

I think that’s weak.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

prattville, he makes an occasional trip, but not that many. maybe one in four? I don’t know exactly. Braves GMs just haven’t traveled much, since Schuerholz started the practice, I guess.

Some GMs make virtually every trip with their teams, others make almost none. In this day and age, you can get so much work done anywhere, it doesn’t seem to matter much.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Jeff321

Ok, I can understand. I don’t like seeing failure either. For the record, Acosta has succeeded more than he has failed.

I disagree with saying “he’s clearly not a winner” when the whole freakin team is under .500

Where were you people last September, how about March, April, May of this season?

I fail to see the logic in, “I’d rather see Stockman fail” and “The object of the game is to win.”

What is the difference between one players’ failure and the failure of another? If the object is to win, then failure should not be tolerated from anyonr correct?

Is there something more, or extra about Acosta that makes failure from him him different than from Stockman?

By Zach

June 28, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

WE HAVE GOT TO GET RID OF ACOSTA!!!! He and Jeff (but mostly him) are the cancer of this team.

I think what bothers me the most is that he doesn’t even look like he cares that he sucks so bad. Its like he still sleeps well at night or something.

By Comparing Day and Night

June 28, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Albert Einstein: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Bobby Cox: “I think I’ll put Jeff Francoeur in today’s lineup.”

By Tomas

June 28, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

I want to see the Braves recalling stockman. He has a 0.00ERA in the majors and an ERA under 1 in the minors. Recall him for at least 20 games, and if he messes up I will understand why they send him back down. But I don’t get BC reasoning.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Couple of paragraphs and stats from my game story:

Cox keeps hoping that Acosta will regain his early season form, but it has become painful viewing. The reliever has allowed 18 hits, 13 earned runs and 10 walks with only three strikeouts in 12 innings over 12 appearances since May 31, with four losses, two blown saves and a 9.75 ERA in that stretch….

Hudson was 10-1 with a 2.32 ERA in 13 starts against Toronto during his years with Oakland. Since switching teams and leagues, he is 0-2 with an 8.25 ERA in two starts against the Blue Jays….

Teixeira has 11 homers and 41 RBIs in 39 games since May 20, and he is 9-for-20 with six homers and 11 RBIs in the past six games.

“I didn’t get much to hit today, and I just tried to put a good swing on it,” said the former Texas Rangers slugger, who has 16 homers and 42 RBIs in his past 31 games against the Blue Jays.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

On this day in history:

June 28, 1967: Jayne Mansfield died at 34.

June 28, 1995: Courtney Love punched Bikini Kill’s Xathleen Hanna backstage at the opening date of Lollapalooza.

By JEB

June 28, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

By David O’Brien

June 28, 2008 4:48 PM

I also agree with those who’d have Blanco (or Kotsay) move to RF when Kotsay gets back. Francoeur needs to go down for a bit, but it’ll never happen.

Why would you think they would not send Francoeur down? I do not know that the Braves have always had REAL strong loyalties to players when they were struggling for a long period of time! (example Langerhans, willie harris)

Is it just because we do not have any options for right field? I know BC stands by his players as long as he can, and is slow about making changes. But, as time goes forward he does make the right changes. (Andruw Jones being the exception last year, but he was knocked down in the order, and was not palying at all by the season’s end - but he was a 10 year vet.)

Surely, we would have someone playing RF if Frenchy was hurt & DL’d.

By Robert

June 28, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

IF the Braves win tomorrow they will have gone 5-4 on a homestand against three teams with a current combined record 18 games under .500 (111-129 if I am doing my fast math correctly)

Whopeteedoo

Cox’s comments about Jurrjens were just mint.

JJ ceratinly pitched a beaut yesterday, but to say it was the best he had ever seen? And then to say that every one of Jurrjens previous starts was great but this one was excellent? Jurrjens first of all has had a few clunkers, but more to the point his definition or misuse of great and excellent

But I digress - Yesterday, Cox watched baseball and said “Hee Haw” Today, Cox made a decision and cost the Braves a chance at winning a ballgame

The more things change the more they stay the same

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

And from my Braves notebook that should be posted now or soon, which also has a lead note about Soriano being back in the Dominican for “personal reasons,” there’s this:

Right fielder Jeff Francoeur’s average sunk to .241 Saturday after his fifth hitless game in seven starts. He is 7-for-51 (.137) with one extra-base hit and three RBIs in his past 14 games and has a .232 average and .293 on-base percentage in 70 games since April 13, with five homers and 30 RBIs.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

DOB

Can you tell us what Acostas’ numbers were before May 31st?

By stamper

June 28, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

so… the general consensus is that we need a solid Right Handed LF in the lineup. Yes?

Who’s attainable? Jason Bay? Matt Holliday? Carlos Lee? Raul Ibanez? Any other possibilities?

What’s it gonna take to make a deal happen?

oh yeah, and what can we do about Bennet and Acosta? Sweet fancy Moses

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

OK, barnyard guy’s here. Seriously, I start feeling cheap and low-rate reading all the “donkey” and “Hee Haw” references and tired, joyless comments he has. I prefer entertaining, witty banter.

Someone call me at dinner and let me know when he’s gone.

By Jeff321

June 28, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

I fail to see the logic in, “I’d rather see Stockman fail” and “The object of the game is to win.”

Putting Acosta in the game at this point is pretty much guaranteeing failure. So, if Bobby insists on “throwing the game” he might as well use Stockman! With that said, Stockman has been “lights out” in limited appearances. So, seeing that he’s throwing well, whats the point of booting him to Richmond? Because everybody and their granny knows Acosta will bring the pain! (To our team!)

On a side note: Trading for an outfielder will be kind of pointless unless Frenchy is part of the deal or sent down.. Because last time I checked, he’s still just plain awful.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this

I think we need a stud bat and a stud starter. Perhaps a veteran in the bull pen.

Of course if the guys we have would start getting more clutch hits, as Tex has started to do, then we may not need that bat.

That is assuming that we get guys on the DL back as well as those hurt and still on the active roster.

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI)

June 28, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

Oh hey they’re replaying this disaster. Maybe FW is watching again to get another look at Acostyathegame.

Not pretty today but at the end of the day, the 1st place team has only won 3 more games than the Braves. No need to step out on the ledge just yet braves fans.

McFann I saw that Snail graphic. Funny stuff. Poor Mac, I wouldn’t be able to sleep either if I let someone with 8 years on me beat me. :)

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

We are almost there……….3 outs to go for the muts…….

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this

With three outfield positions why would Frenchie have to be included in any trade?

I agree Acosta should take a lesser role, even sent down to the minors if that is what it takes. But to ignore that he did very well for 3-4 months prior to this bad steak isn’t quite fair.

I feel for Stockman, and for Charlie Morton should he have a few bad starts in a row,

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

Hope Rivera can close it for the junkees.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

Sorry, thats 6 outs to go for the muts.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

Wright just made his 11th E of the season, thats 4th worse in NL.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

Freakin fish are already winning, they just wont go away.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Acosta gave up four runs and two homers in his first appearance of the season on March 31 against Pittsburgh, in the home opener, then reeled off a 25-appearance tear in which he posted a 1.30 ERA and .198 opponents’ average, with 19 hits, four runs and one homer allowed in 27-2/3 innings.

That took him through May 30.

We know what’s happened since May 31. (See stats above.)

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI)

June 28, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

OT but can someone settle a disagreement between my uncle and me? My uncle says Chipper drives a Hummer, I could have sworn he drove a pickup. Any players lot loiterers on here know? And just out of curiosity, what do Frenchy and Heap drive?

By KC

June 28, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

kirknga: I don’t think we need a starter. Hudson has outings like this from time to time. Sometimes he even has them in bunches. But at the end of the season, he’ll finish with 15-18 wins, and an ERA around or a little over 3.00. And he’ll be among the league leaders in quality starts (as he is now).

Plenty of depth in the rotation right now. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying there’s any such thing as TOO MUCH pitching… but if we’re going to give up quality talent to get something, there are more pressing needs than a starter.

As you mentioned, we need a stud bat… and I would say we need another stud reliever.

The Braves bullpen (until today) has been very good this week, but I haven’t stopped hoping there’s a deal in the works for a reliever. We need a proven late-inning guy that can serve as the setup man and fill-in closer (when needed).

If we could get a Jason Bay, and someone like Heath Bell from SD, we’d be in great shape!

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

The Marlins have an effective lineup and they’re playing with confidence.

Lets hope the Rangers stick it to the the Phils.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

JF drives a JEEP called “BREEZE”.

Mc drives the FLINMOBILE.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Poor Santana, he now is 7-7.

Tons of money for only a .500 record at mid-season.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Rangers already up……. 2-0 after only 6 pitches by Hamels.

By Efrim

June 28, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Wow. I never thought I would see people say Frenchy needs to be sent down. I’m not sure if he needs to be sent to Richmond, but he definetly needs at bats to be taken away. He has been one of the most unproductive regulars in major league baseball this season. It’s even worse because he is a corner bat. His defense has slipped as well.

I’m very much against the Braves trading any top prospects. But this team needs a corner outfield bat in the worst way. I know Randy Winn is owed 8 million next year, but if you were that worried about the salary, then why don’t you deal him this offseason? He needs to be brought in here and play in right field.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

KC

I can agree that a stud bat is the first priority. However, we need others to do a better job with situational hitting or one more bat is not going to help much.

The pitching has been great, the bull pen solid. However, too many rookies and young players.

I know I’ll take gruff for this, but I look for Hampton to come back and be somewhere near his old self. All this time off can’t be anything but healthy for his arm and leg injuries.

I’m not sure Glavine is coming back and Smoltz is gone. I want another veteran, Sabathia is my wish. Depending on 3-4 rookie pitchers makes me nervous.

By Jeff321

June 28, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this

With three outfield positions why would Frenchie have to be included in any trade?

Because making Frenchy part of the trade was my idea of getting him out of town! Seriously, this guy is a rally killer if I ever saw one. And his bad wheel is fouling things up in the outfield. Why do ya think KJ went into short right the other night to catch that ball? Because “flat tire” was just too slow.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks DOB

Hopefully Acosta can regain his previous form, even if it takes sending him down.

Give Stockman his shot, but I think it may be a veteran reliever that is our best option in the setup role.

By jed

June 28, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

now’s absolutely the time to send down francouer and acosta. i think they will send acosta down for certain (they have no choice), but, knowing how braves brass thinks, i doubt they’ll send JF down, and that’s a real problem. his slump threatens to drag on endlessly, and this team’s not good enough to endure that. dont know why they couldnt just tell jeff “look…we need you full-steam from august on. go to richmond, relax, figure it out and we’ll see you in a few weeks.” seems like the most reasonable cure to me, as opposed to having this linger endlessly. keeping him in atlanta and having him endure escalating pressure and repeated failure hardly seems conducive to turning around a young player.

as for acosta, it’s imperative they send him down. i’d also give him at least a week off without throwing. cox used him too much, too early. (kinda had to.) let him re-charge his batteries. the guy’s got a great arm. handle him right and he’ll regain his form and be able to help us later.

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Run Heap Run—

LOL…I was disappointed: I thought Boog said they were going to talk to BMac and Corky during the Braves Live Post Game Show—but they didn’t. That stunk…was the only thing to look forward too after that game…

Francoeur drives a black Hummer. I saw it parked in his driveway in a photo once.

I read an article from ESPN last year that gave me the impression that Heap has a Corvette. (He did an autograph session at this auto store. So many sessions for a free Vette. Man, those rich guys get all the breaks—no pun intended…)

And actually, we saw a yellow—yes, yellow—Corvette in the Braves parking lot last year. Then on the way home, a yellow Vette goes flyin’ past us—through the HOV lane, past some other cars…then it cut into the next lane and took off. Guess what he lacks in foot speed, he makes up for on wheels—if that was really his car.

Chipper? No clue what he drives. But then again, you weren’t even asking me.

; )

By Cooper

June 28, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Hudson is a good pitcher with good overall stats but he still does not look like an Ace. He is number one by the process of elimination.

This team needs one-two big bats in the OF to be sure but I still feel they need another arm near the top of the rotation.

The rookies look good but they are rookies. In the heat of a playoff run (god willing) the loss of Smoltz will be felt bit time.

Wren should not be lulled into a falls sense of security now b/c JJ and JOJO are hot. He has to know that a 2 acting as a 1 (Hudson) and four rookies won’t get it done.

By TexasBrave

June 28, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Since Jeff will never be sent down how about putting him in a platoon until he rights the ship. This serves a couple of purposes. One it gives him some much needed time off to clear his head and get out of the rut he is in of playing everyday. Second it will give any injuries he has some time to heal.

Really he just needs some time out of the everyday line up. Look what it has done for Diaz when he was in a platoon. Of course I reiterate that once he gets back on track that the platoon ends.

By Braveheart

June 28, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

it’s the magic in every game… the look on a kid’s face as the poster on his wall gets sent down to the minors

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 28, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

O’Brien, you are truly gutless. Keep deleting my post’s and I will stop posting.

By Ramblin

June 28, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

Bring Josh Anderson up and send Jeff to Richmond. It will not kill Jeff to go down. Josh will be a big improvement. Time for Bobby to retire.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about trading or sending Frenchie back to the minors.

I do think he should sit some games.

By jed

June 28, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

too funny, braveheart

By RR

June 28, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

they will never send jeff down they might sit him down once kotsay and diaz get back so give up the “send jeff to richmond ” it will never happen

By TexasBrave

June 28, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

Good 8:45 post jed. Unfortunately I don’t see them sending Frenchy down. That’s why I suggested the platoon. It sounds stupid but if you are not going to send him down I think it would be a better option than letting him be a rotting hole in the line up every game. Time off, and just not one game, is what he needs. That along with watching tape of him hitting over the last two years.

It might not hurt to see Smoltz’s shrink, goes for Acosta too.

By Ramblin

June 28, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Coach- Really, did DOB delete your post? He’s not that bad. I hope!

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

I thought about a platoon for JF too, but the only split that would make sense is a day/night one (.321 vs. .206)

Not that big a difference left vs. right (.254/ .225). Home vs. Away either (.245/ .244).

Sending him down after the season he had would be a big risk.

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

But how could I forget Chucky James, who is the proud owner of a 1965 Shelby Cobra?

Man, he’s prob’ly got the best car of them all!

Braveheart—

Hilarious! (I can’t stand that commercial!)

By Run Heap Run!

June 28, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

O’Brien, you are truly gutless. Keep deleting my post’s and I will stop posting.

Then by all means, Delete O’Brien Delete! :)

Thanks for that, McFann - I am very amused that Heap drives a Vette but yeah if he did promos for them they usually give the use of a car for a year in exchange for it. Chipper had a deal like that with a BMW dealer in Marietta in his 1st or 2nd year.

By Braveheart

June 28, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

I’ll second what texasbrave said. That was a good post at 8:45, jed.

It would suck for Francoeur if he got sent down but something has to be done at this point …. whether that be a demotion, a forced DL stint or a temporary platoon.

He’ll need to understand that there’s no shame in being sent down. Mickey Mantle came up in 1951 to tons of hype, sort of failed and got sent back down to the minors. After a few games in the minors, the Mick wanted to quit and called his father and told him he wanted to come home. His father talked him out of it and we all know the rest of the story. Heck, The Mick was back up before the end of the season …… even tore that knee up in a drainage hole in the World Series at the end of that year.

Francoeur obviously ain’t Mickey Mantle, and Mantle was only 19 years old back then, but if even Mickey Mantle could get sent down to the minors after being hyped the way he was, then Frenchy shouldn’t be above being sent down for the betterment of himself and the team either.

By Don

June 28, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

Per DOB’s note above - Not only will Francouer not get sent down, when Kotsay gets back, Cox will continue to send Francouer’s sorry arse to RF every day no matter how well Blanco or Jones are hitting/playing.

If the Braves were to change the name to something elase other than the “Braves”, I nominate the new name to be the Atlanta “Average Joes” since average is what the team basically has been for the last 3 years.

By McFann©

June 28, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Run Heap Run—

It’s very amusing. But it being the promo thingy, he’s prob’ly given it up by now—if he only gets it for a year (he did the autograph signing in early June of ‘07, if I’m correct).

Didn’t get a look at the parking lot on Wednesday, so I don’t know what they’ve got down there now. Last year, there was a Lambo in the mix—cool lookin’ car! Don’t know who it belonged to, though.

I think Escobar’s got some sort of BMW, but I’m not positive. I’ll have to check up on that. Whatever it was, it was the “last thing he splurged on” according to the program that we bought at the game on Wednesday. (That thing was seven bucks, but it’s got some funny stuff in it!)

Well, I gotta go. Catch you all tomorrow!

Night, all!

By TexasBrave

June 28, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Coach in the past I have enjoyed reading your posts. You have come up with some good ideas and discussion topics. However, man you have gone totally overboard on this Bobby Cox rant. I am beginning to wander if you are the second coming of Robert.

I agree that Bobby has some flaws and has cost the Braves games, but your more recent posts have bordered on the edge of insanity. There is nothing wrong with pointing out Bobby’s miscues (even I do it), but let it go after a post or two and get back to what you do best with insightful posts.

By TexasBrave

June 28, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

kirknga I wasn’t exactly thinking of the best splits, just wanted a reason to get Jeff on the bench for awhile so he can straighten some things out.

By Braves fan

June 28, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

For something funny - check out www.BattingStanceGuy.com He has done a great job on the Braves - Gant, Justice, Horner, etc. It would be great on the site too.

By Braves fan

June 28, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

For something funny - check out www.BattingStanceGuy.com He has done a great job on the Braves - Gant, Justice, Horner, etc. It would be great on the site too.

By DAP

June 28, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

just got back from a week in dc to find the braves have actually gained a couple of games on philly! this is surprising, and it looks like its not to late to be in this thing.

i got to see the replay of the game from today. depressing…the bullpen has been struggling lately. new arms are needed, i think. send some guys down, bring up some hungry young arms.

by the way, if someone had told me back in march that in late june, we would be fielding a team with gotay, lillibridge, b. jones, and blanco all in the lineup, i would have wept. injuries have been unreal for this team.

By gayle

June 28, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

I know I’m getting in here late, but I had a couple of things to add.

Too all of you who keep saying that the Braves just need to get in the playoffs because anything can happen - then you refer to the Cardinals of a couple of years ago. Is it selective memory? The Cardinals that you model these Braves after were swept by Boston in the World Series - so maybe they really can be like those Cardinals?

Also, this is a .500 team. Do the numbers - you can go back to last year. The only reason they remain in contention is because the other teams in this division suck.

Shut it down, get something for Tex besides draft picks and build a team that can honestly compete.

By David O'Brien

June 28, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, that 8:52 was cruel.

But damn, it was funny.

By kirknga

June 28, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

Ah ok *TexasJeff. Well I don’t know what they will do with him.

I don’t look for much from Diaz either. He seems to get a pass from people, but he didn’t standout offensively or defensively at all. No one wants to give Brandon Jones a chance in LF.Will Kotsays’ back hold up? I’m not counting on it.

So that is why I say go get a stud bat for the outfield. These are also the reasons why JF isn’t going back to the minor leagues anytime soon.

I think they would be better off trading him than sending him to the minors.

By keylargo

June 28, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

Hey O’Brien

How about next week you get a simple poll up along the lines of -

Do you feel good about Bobby Cox managing through 09?

Yes or No answer.

I think it is about 20 people with some type of issues that keep sending in this negativity. I think the poll would reflect strongly in Cox’s favor.

By Run Heap Run!

June 28, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

LMAO Braveheart, best comment of the week. Maybe even the whole month.

By double deuce

June 28, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

There are at least a couple of people here who get it. It’s not Acosta’s fault that he has been abused in the bullpen. It was evident a month ago his arm couldn’t handle the load Bobby was giving him, but he still runs him out there every chance he gets. What’s Manny supposed to do, say no? Manny Acosta is a great guy, a good bullpen pitcher who was asked to fill a role he wasn’t ready for. Its a managers job to find the right guy at the right time, not the same guy every time until he is shot. Acosta is done for this year. His arm and his confidence are gone thru no fault of his. You can lay that one on Cox.

By Shamus Thacker

June 28, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

Hay Y’all!

Ain’t been around much lately, sure have missed this blog. I don’t feel like a game is complete, even after watching the whole damn thing, till I’ve seen what DOB has to say. I appreciate each and every one of you, and hope DOB likes it well enough here to hang out with us for the balance of his career. This place cheers me up when pretty much nothing else will. Some of you are hilarious. Some of you royally/F-5 suck, but without you this blog wouldn’t be the dramatic joy that it is. Thank you, you’re sincerely appreciated, if only by me.

Mom is in the hospital. That’s where I’ve been the vast majority of time. Third time in a month. Just quit my prog. job to care for her full time. She’d do the same for me if roles were reversed. She helped get me out of lotsa foolish hi-jinks in my younger days. I owe her one, but more than that love her dearly. Pray for her.

Thanks for everything Y’all.

Aloha, from the white-as-Richard-Simmons-in-a-biker-bar shores of Cedartown.

By Doc Holliday

June 28, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Man, Lidge is just lights out. Rangers had tying run on (1b and 3b), 1 out. Hamilton and Bradley (4th and 5th) coming up with one out. He struck them both out.

Phillies pick up a game on everybody.

Thats how a championship team gets it done.

By Robert

June 28, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

“Can somebody please get rid of Bobby Cox? This is ridiculous! Coach, you are so right. If ANYONE performed their job the way BC does they would have been fired 3 years ago”

THREE? Try fifteen. Not another team in any sport wouldve kept their flunky manager after a playoff loss like the Braves had in ‘93 to the Phillies- not already off two WS failures

By MEB

June 28, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

Shamus Thacker… took the time to pray for you just now. Glad to see someone who has their priorities in order. Like you I enjoy the banter on the ol’ MIB blog as long as I scroll past those nasty F-5’s. Take care!

GO BRAVES!!!

By JEB

June 28, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

Gayle

Go back and check your stats, Those Cardinals (2006) WON the World Series.

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI)

June 28, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

Best of wishes for your mom, Shamus Thacker

Phillies won, Fish lost, Mutts lost, Braves in 3rd…4 games out. I’ll take it. :)

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this

Shamus, you’re a good man.

By Moby Grape

June 29, 2008 12:24 AM | Link to this

DOB

It seems to me that Stockton has not pitched since he went back down to AAA. Is that correct and if so do you have any idea why? Does it relate to why he was used so infrequently by Cox while he was up here?

By Chop Chop

June 29, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Gayle pretty much screwed that whole analogy up. The St. Louis Cardinals team that lost to the Boston Red Sox a few years ago (not a couple) in 2004 went 105-57.

The Braves only had one team with a better record than that during the division title run (106-56 in 1998). That team was beaten in the NLCS by the Padres. I seem to remember Sterling Hitchcock beating two Hall of Famers (Maddux and Glavine) en route to winning the NLCS MVP.

What a f*** joke.

Hey! The Angels might get a combined no-hitter…in a loss! Can they do it??? They’re through eight innings!

By StingerSplash

June 29, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

If — a mighty K2 sized if — the Braves decide to send Frenchy to Richmond, who then shall be sent to the ATL? They need an OF with some power, so that excludes Josh Anderson. I like him, but he’s not the answer for Frenchy at this point. That leaves your options as Joe Borchard, who has 4 homers, and Scott Thorman. Jason Perry, the former Georgia Tech outfielder, has five HRs in 28 games at Richmond, but those are his only games above AA ball. So not sending Frenchy down may have less to do with the Braves being tied to Frenchy, but there being very little in the way of a viable alternative. And the Dodgers are getting no hit but winning 1-0 through 8. Hmmph.

By James

June 29, 2008 12:35 AM | Link to this

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 28, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

O’Brien, you are truly gutless. Keep deleting my post’s and I will stop posting.

Now that is the finest post(I will stop posting) you have ever made. If you and Robert (how stupid of me-since you are both the same person) were never heard from again nobody would notice.

By Chop Chop

June 29, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

Tim Kurkjian says that 8-inning no-hitters don’t count anymore. That’s wonderful.

Since that is the case, why does MLB still count an 8-inning CG loss as a complete game? Jorge Campillo had one of those against the Angels. He didn’t pitch nine, so how can it be complete? Oh, he completed the game. That’s why.

Bah.

By Raymond

June 29, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

we have almost no shot at a wild card. we are 4th in a 5 team division. as bad as the Phillies and mets have played, we are still behind them and the Marlins. we can’t win on the road and can’t put together a solid streak. this team is mediocre and has about a 20% chance of making the playoffs. let’s face reality !

By StingerSplash

June 29, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

Apropos of nothing, but a Letterman-like fun fact from the FBMI: Of the 14 games already done tonight (there are two outs in the Angels-Dodgers game, top 9), six were decided by one run.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 29, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this

O’Brien, you are truly gutless

Maybe he is gutless. That’s why he gets women. Men without guts tend to get women. Men with big ole guts like Cooch go without women.

Cooch, you need a woman.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

Too all of you who keep saying that the Braves just need to get in the playoffs because anything can happen - then you refer to the Cardinals of a couple of years ago. Is it selective memory? The Cardinals that you model these Braves after were swept by Boston in the World Series - so maybe they really can be like those Cardinals?Gayle

If the people you’re talking to are guilty of “selective memory,” then I guess your excuse is just poor memory? Because I covered that World Series, seem to remember it being cold and wet in both Detroit and St. Louis. Remember seeing the Drive-By Truckers in Detroit on an off day in that World Series. Oh, and a “dirt clod” on Kenny Rogers’ pitching hand.

Also, I distinctly remember the Cardinals winning that World Series, winning it in five games, Game 5 in St. Louis, the Tigers unable to even get the Series back to Detroit for a Game 6.

Gayle, at least you were right about one thing: Those Cardinals were barely a .500 team during the regular season — 83-78.

It was the 105-win Cardinals team of 2004 that was swept by the Red Sox in the World Series.

So what do we take from all that? That it’s better finishing five games over .500 (83-78) than finishing with a 105-57 record? Well, OK.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 29, 2008 1:01 AM | Link to this

O’Brien, you are truly gutless

Maybe he is gutless. That’s why he gets women. Men without guts tend to get women. Men with big ole guts like Cooch go without women.

Cooch, you need a woman.

By StingerSplash

June 29, 2008 1:03 AM | Link to this

Last no-hitter against the Dodgers? Kent Mercker’s 10-K gem back in 1994. Stayed up to watch that game from the Left Coast and Mercker absolutely dominated them that night.

By COOCH IS WORSE THAN AND IDIOT

June 29, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

Coach, your behavior on this blog recently has been completely out of hand and it is completely unacceptable. To insult BC the way you have is one thing, however your rants towards DOB and Carroll and the rest of the AJC staff is simply intolerable.

This is DOB’s house. He works his arse off providing us with information that none of us could get from any other source. To crap all over this blog the way you do is unforgivable.

Imagine this: You’re sitting in your Lazy-Boy chair. You know, the one that’s all worn out and repaired with duct tape. It sits in the living room of the broken down old shack you call a home. Your 19 inch black and white tv sitting on a cardboard box blares away in the corner. You were too lazy to adjust the rabbit ears so the pictures not too great. Anyway, you hear someone in the yard because that mongrel you call a “dog” that’s chained up to that old engine block in the yard starts barking. Someone busts in thru what’s left of the screen door. Tripping through the empty PBR cans and Cheez-it cans on the floor they rush to the mantle where they grab your high school championship trophy. Remember that? It’s proudly displayed there. You won it all those years ago when your team won the AA state championship. You were named MVP and THAT is what qualifies you to be an expert on baseball. At least you think so.

Anyway, this guy pulls you out of your chair by grabbing your dirty wife-beater t-shirt and starts to assault you with it. Man, what a glorious sight!

Cooch, for the sake of the blog and for all that is good and holy I hope that DOB decides to delete every one of your posts.

I’d call you and idiot but that doesn’t do justice to all the folks that have worn that mantle. You could only aspire to be an idiot.

P** off you loser. Go root for the Twins. Or go root for the Cubs. But just go. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY here wants to see your kind around.

By Quack Quack

June 29, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

DOB, would you please ask Bobby Cox tomorrow or whenever you get a chance why not hit B-Mac after TEX in the lineup? I’m curious to know the answer. Thank you.Supes

perhaps he though that Tex is the one guy in the lineup who needs the least protection?As hot as he is now he can protect himself.

Anyway, the studies have indicated that the concept of protection is as likely a myth as a fact. It sure doesn’t work out the way we think it should all the time even over a season long period.

Y’all would b1tch iffen they hung you with a new rope. Get real, with the amount of regulars out right now replaced with guys hitting .200 or so any games we win should go in the miracle column.

By Quack Quack

June 29, 2008 1:30 AM | Link to this

You are right……75% chance he will do that. Id like to let KJ hit 2nd and let yunel hit 6th.

BLANCO, KJ, CHIPPER, TEX, MC, YUNEL, KOTSAY, JF.

If kotsay rests: BLANCO, KJ, CHIPPER, TEX, MC, YUNEL, BJ, JFDocH

FCS haven’t you dodos learned anything. You rant every other week about who is in which spot in the lineup, but when your guy gets there nothing changes. The team has produced to about the same degree no matter the lineups. Studies show that lineup changes make little difference as long as you don’t use ones like with the pitcher hitting cleanup. Y’all pontificate like you know what you’re talking about but all you do is make it obvious that you don’t know much of anything about real life baseball.

By Quack Quack

June 29, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this

O’Brien, you are truly gutless. Keep deleting my post’s and I will stop posting.Coach

can we take that to the bank, coach? Gawd i hope so.

By BA

June 29, 2008 2:11 AM | Link to this

God bless your mama, Shamus Thacker.

By BA

June 29, 2008 2:17 AM | Link to this

Quack, I’m with you in spirit, but sometimes particular guys take off when they’re moved (in the lineup) remember Lemer when Bobby moved him up to the two-hole? Thing is, when you’re running out players like Gotay and ‘Lil Bridge everyday, the lineup is like lipstick on an Oprah.

By BA

June 29, 2008 2:24 AM | Link to this

Oh, sure, O’Brien’s “gutless”. Because we all know he’s the one commiting merciless acts of public slander at four in the morning. I heard O’Brien passed on HoJo too!

By nolie

June 29, 2008 3:36 AM | Link to this

Two Braves youngins made the BA Hot Prospects list at first and 8th. An ex-Brave was second.

Hanson’s no-hitter makes him an easy choice-Baseball America Hot Prospects List

Staff Report June 27, 2008

Early in the season, it seemed like hitters had the upper hand as we compiled the Hot Sheet. But this week, pitchers have definitely gotten their revenge. There’s a no-hitter, plenty of double-digit strikeout games, and enough mid-90s fastballs to have hitters quaking in fear.

But as we head into the second-half of the season, it’s kind of poetic that our first No. 1 of the year is back on top, with yet another game where his fastball proved near-invisible to hitters.

And remember as always this is not a re-ranking of our Top 100 Prospects list. Instead, it’s a snapshot of who are the hottest prospects in baseball right now, with stats form the past week (June 20-26) getting the most consideration. The Why He’s Here line in the writeups refers to each player’s stats during that time.

Contributing: Ben Badler, J.J. Cooper, Matt Eddy, Austin Maloney, Anthony Tynan and Jim Shonerd

No. 1 TOMMY HANSON, RHP BRAVES Team: Double-A Mississippi (Southern) Age: 21 Why He’s Here: 9 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 HBP, 3 BB, 14 SO The Scoop: After topping our first Hot Sheet of the 2008 season, Hanson finds himself back on top again after striking out 14 in a nine-inning no-hitter.

Hanson began the year dominating high Class A Carolina League hitters—a 0.90 ERA in 40 innings with a 49-11 K-BB mark—in the pitcher-friendly confines at Myrtle Beach. His transition to Double-A hasn’t been silky smooth—he’s allowed at least six runs in three of his eight starts—but he now has 49 strikeouts and 19 walks in 50 Double-A innings.

Of course, none of his outings were as good as the no-hitter—which Hanson said was his first complete-game no-hitter since he threw a couple of them in Little League. He made the Birmingham lineup look like a bunch of Little Leaguers on Wednesday, thanks in part to a new grip on his curveball, though Hanson said it was his slider that resulted in the most third strikes.

“Before the start I changed the grip on my curveball and started throwing my slider a little more,” Hanson said. “Last night was the first night everything kind of clicked. I was throwing it off my index finger, but (pitching coach Derek) Botehlo said I should throw it with my middle finger. It was a lot more consistent and felt a lot better coming out of my hand.” No. 2 NEFTALI, FELIZ, RHP RANGERS Team: low Class A Clinton (Midwest) Age: 20 Why He’s Here: 1-0, 0.00, 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 10 SO The Scoop: Feliz returns to the Hot Sheet for the second week in a row thanks to his second straight double-digit strikeout performance. The Dominican righthander is probably the most dominating pitcher currently residing in the Midwest League, and his 10 Ks on Sunday against Kane County put him at the top of the league leader board with 93 in 74 1/3 innings. He’s allowed more than one run only once in his last 11 starts, and he’s given up only one home run all season. The flame-throwing Feliz has also improved his command this year, having dropped his walk rate while still holding hitters to a .184 average and a .259 slugging percentage. No. 3 STEVE GARRISON, LHP PADRES Team: Double-A San Antonio (Texas) Age: 21 Why He’s Here: 9 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 12 SO The Scoop: Garrison fits in nicely among the list of Padres pitchers who throw a high percentage of pitches for strikes. When his curveball and changeup are on, those pitches over the plate become even more difficult to hit, though he’s not normally a prolific strikeout pitcher. Garrison’s last start lowered his ERA to 3.01 in 80 2/3 innings, good for third in the Texas League in ERA behind teammate Will Inman. No. 4 WILL INMAN, RHP PADRES Team: Double-A San Antonio (Texas) Age: 21 Why He’s Here: 7 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 HR, 1 BB, 11 SO The Scoop: With an advanced feel for pitching, Inman excels with his fastball command, which is one reason he’ll be on the USA roster next month at the Futures Game. Despite being one of the youngest pitchers in the Texas League, Inman now has 92 strikeouts in 85 innings, giving him the league lead in strikeouts by 17 over teammate Matt Buschmann. No. 5 BRETT GARDNER, CF YANKEES Team: Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (International) Age: 24 Why he’s here: .458/.629/.625 (11-for-24), 2 2B, 1 3B, 10 R, 1 RBI, 11 BB, 6 SO, 5-for-5 SB The Scoop: One of the IL’s steadiest performers all season, Gardner in the past month has become one of its very best. He’s batting .326/.446/.457 through 92 June at-bats, with 11 steals in 12 attempts, and on the season he now leads the league in on-base percentage (.417), stolen bases (30 in 38 tries), walks (57) and triples (10), while ranking third in runs scored (58). The quintessential leadoff man, Gardner has reached base in 71 of the 77 games in which he’s played this season. No. 6 DAVID HUFF, LHP INDIANS Team: Triple-A Buffalo (International) Age: 23 Why he’s here: 2-0, 2.25, 12 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 HBP, 0 BB, 13 SO The Scoop: Huff put Double-A behind him with a 5-1, 1.92 record, with 62-14 strikeouts-walks in 66 innings, but it appears as though he was only getting warmed up. A supplemental first-round pick from UCLA in 2006, Huff has strangled Triple-A batters in his first five starts, striking out 29 of them and walking just two (none in two starts this week) in 26 innings. With Aaron Laffey in the big leagues and two of the Indians’ other young, promising arms (Adam Miller, Chuck Lofgren) struggling mightily this season, Huff has thrust himself into the discussion as the organization’s top pitching prospect. No. 7 JHOULYS CHACIN, RHP ROCKIES Team: low Class A Asheville (South Atlantic) Age: 20 Why He’s Here: 0-0, 0.00, 12 2/3 IP, 8 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 14 SO The Scoop: After a few weeks’ absence, Chacin makes his return to the Hot Sheet after putting up a pair of strong starts this week. Chacin has gone six innings or more in 15 of his 16 starts this season, and he’s still yet to allow more than three earned runs in any of them, which was one of the reasons he got to start the SAL all-star game for the Southern Division. In his two starts this week, Chacin pitched six shutout innings on the road against Augusta last Friday, and then followed that up by allowing only one unearned run in 6 2/3 innings at home against Hickory on Wednesday. He ranks as the SAL’s leader in wins, strikeouts and innings pitched, and his 1.86 ERA is the circuit’s fourth best. No. 8 JORDAN SCHAFER, CF BRAVES Team: Double-A Mississippi (Southern) Age: 21 Why He’s Here: .435/.536/.652 (10-for-23), 7 R, 3 2B, 1 3B, 7 RBIs, 5 BB, 6 SO, 2-for-2 SB The Scoop: Schafer missed 50 games early in the season for Human Growth Hormone. He’s been pretty good since returning, though, hitting .296/.424/.531 in 99 June plate appearances. The top prospect in the Braves system entering the season, Schafer will have some stiff competition for that honor this year with the way Jason Heyward has impressed scouts this year, but he still looks like the Braves’ center fielder of the future.

By Quack Quack

June 29, 2008 3:53 AM | Link to this

Quack, I’m with you in spirit, but sometimes particular guys take off when they’re moved (in the lineup) remember Lemer when Bobby moved him up to the two-hole?BA

yeah, you’re right sometimes it can work, but you never know if it will or not and these guys rant & rave and curse Cox like it’s a given that they are right and for the most part it makes little difference and certainly so far this year it has had no effect on scoring runs.

Just another example of the hater/ranter mentality. Obsess on little crap that is usually meaningless and spill hate at the manager and players because they ain’t doing it the way the ranter thinks it should be done; and then it turns out that it made no difference anyway.

Nobody in Braves management is an idiot, they have reasons for what they do. They ain’t trying to throw the season or any other stupid thing that posters here come up with. There are always more than one side to any issue including for instance why Heap was batting 6th today. The decisions might work or might not but thats the way the game was designed: 30% success rate as a player and something <60% as a team are high marks.

By Moby Grape

June 29, 2008 4:39 AM | Link to this

DOB

I asked about some guy named Stockton in an earlier post. You can disregard that, but if you hear anything about Stockman not pitching I would appreciate some news.

By BA

June 29, 2008 5:01 AM | Link to this

Agreed, Quack. Management is NOT the problem. I try to be a voice of reason on Bobby Cox. Your more intelligent assessment is wasted on a handful of boobs. Am I crazy to think Carlyle deserves a shot at some of these late innings? Acosta is up in his head, and Bennett has been stretched thin. Bueno pitched in relief at Richmond tonight, maybe they’re getting him ready for a call up?

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 6:54 AM | Link to this

Nolie, here’s another interesting point about the BA hot prospects list: Right behind Hanson at No. 2 on that list is Neftali Feliz. That was the “other” pitching prospect the Braves sent to the Rangers in the Teixeira trade, along with Harrison, SS Elvis Andrus and couple other guys.

It was Feliz, not Harrison nor Andrus, who was considered by the Braves to be the only truly elite prospect they were losing in that deal.

The Braves, however, still have a handful of pitchers in the system that they believe are elite-level, big-time pitching prospects, including Hanson, Charlie Morton, Julio Teheran, Jeff Locke, Cole Rohrbaugh, and another kid, Randall Delgado, on the Danville team with Teheran.

By Bravo Nam

June 29, 2008 7:07 AM | Link to this

Smoking?

In recent days some bloggers on here have been smoking some pretty strong stuff…they think the Braves have been lucky coz Philly and the Marlins have stumbled lately…otherwise they’d already be out of it. I think you’ve got things a bit upside down there…the other teams have been the LUCKY ones that the Braves have lost so many one run games and have had a slew of injuries…otherwise the Bravos would already be out in front by a winning margin.

By ncscoots

June 29, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this

It was Feliz, not Harrison nor Andrus, who was considered by the Braves to be the only truly elite prospect they were losing in that deal.

Wow. Braves didn’t consider Andrus elite? Guess that means that they thought he would never hit enough, because I’ve seen few kids flash leather like that guy could.

Most here know I’ve been an Escobar fan from way before he showed up in Atlanta, but I always thought Andrus had an even better glove.

By nolie

June 29, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Most here know I’ve been an Escobar fan from way before he showed up in Atlanta, but I always thought Andrus had an even better glove.Wscoots*

WOW! I never got to see the kid play though I read a lot about him. If he has better leather than Esco including arm and range then he’s gotta be something. I alwats heard that he was a little light with the wood. As long as Yunel keeps on like he has the only real complaint we could have about trading Andrus no matter how he develops is that we might have been able to trade him later for perhaps a stud pitcher.

I noticed that Feliz was second on the BA list. He does indeed look like he might be great if he can stay healthy, but that is such a crapshoot in young pitchers. Bird in the hand often ends up applying to such trades. We’ll see.

BTW,Is it true that Stockman hasn’t pitched since he went down like my cuz posted?

By James

June 29, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

There are some in the Braves that are very high on SS Hicks. It is a nice situation to be able to deal from such depth and was one of the reasons Andrus was expendable. The 22 year old Hicks is a combination of power and speed that strikes out a little too much, but also is displaying enough defense that could have him pushing for a job in 2 years.

In 243 AB’s he has 13 HR’s, 21 doubles, 11 stolen bases, 11 errors, but 87 strike outs. Keep your eye on this beast. At 6’ 2” 200 lbs. he is on the fast track.

By Cherokee

June 29, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Keep your eye on this beast. At 6’ 2” 200 lbs. he is on the fast track. James

perhaps Chipper’s potential replacement as we don’t seem to have any real thirdbasemen looking that good down there do we?

By Jeff R

June 29, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

Nothing like a division full of mediocre or worse teams to keep the Braves in it. But, who knows? We’re not even at the All-Star break yet. Perhaps injured Braves will heal and return to the line up. Perhaps Reyes and Morton will continue to develop. Perhaps Gonzalez will find his old groove. Could happen.

But while this club has some good young talent and a lot of upside potential, it’s not ready for prime time yet. Need to settle the outfield, find a first sacker (come on, Super Tex is gonna leave), develop or acquire a third sacker (I said it! Chipper ain’t forever!), settle the rotation and sort out the bullpen. Challenges more than problems.

With the right moves, the future will be a Brave one…

By h_charles

June 29, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

This “Braves are still in it” argument is a bit of fools gold, unless something changes. This isn’t a good team not catching breaks.
This is a mediocre team suffering from 3 things. 1) lack of discipline — at the plate, on the basebaths, in the field. Not sure where that is from, but it is a BIG problem. Watch this team execute, then go watch the Twins play. That is how to get the most of what you have.

2) Injuries. Can’t control that, but it is insane. Amazing we took one from the Jays. This is the only thing that gives hope. With Chipper back and Escobar back perhaps they could change their future.

3) Cox “head scratchers”. Always been a Cox fan, but this year in particular there have been MAJOR blunders. Not typical second guessing of debatable moves. Bad baseball moves, no reason for them. Pullling Tex for pinch runners, not pitching Ohman vs. Edmunds, constantly overworking the same guys in the pen, refusing to acknowledge Boyer can’t go more than one inning, refusing to play then sending down Anderson, refusing ever to pull Hudson until its too late.

It is what it is, but if you gave this team to any manager who had to play “by the book”, we have 5-7 more wins right now, no doubt.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Ncscoots, no question about Andrus’ glove. Never was. Just the hitting. If you can’t hit, well … this isn’t the same game as it was back when teams would carry a .250-hitting shortstop with no power, long as he had a great glove.

Tony Pena Jr., same thing.

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

DOB and NcScoots

I agree with both of your points, but keep in mind that Elvis Andrus will turn 19 years old this year. 19 year old in Double A. That said, sooner or later you need to produce.

By Mark

June 29, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

wow, great song….love Drive-By Truckers always great music selection

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

I mean he will turn 20 years old.

By James

June 29, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Efrim are those Furcal and Betemit years?

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

James

Maybe. But does that mean that every minor leaguers age should be questioned? I’ll believe their listed age until I am told different by a reliable source(like the team or the player himself).

By KC

June 29, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

kirknga: I also have a little bit of optimism where Hampton is concerned, for which I take a fair amount of crap. =)

If we can get some guys healthy here (Chipper, Escobar, Kotsay, Diaz)… that should help a lot.

The three issues for this offense have been injuries, Tex’s underachievement, and Frenchy’s other-worldly slump.

Tex is finally locked in, so if we can get reasonably healthy, that will take care of 2 of our 3 problems withe lineup.

Make a trade for another big bat… that would compensate for Frenchy’s struggles, and the offense should be back at the (very high) level it was at in Aug/Sep of last year.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 29, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Really is tough to see Francouer’s continued slide. You can’t bench him with Chipper and Yunel (and even Infante) banged up.

When Bobby was the GM in the ’80s, he sent Ron Gant back to the minors to learn the OF when it was obvious he couldn’t handle 2B or 3B.

The differences between now and then? The Braves weren’t expected to contend, so you could take that type of gamble with a promising young player. And it’s one thing to teach a new position to a player who’s certainly going to hit (same thing happened with KJ).

How do you convince a player with two-plus years of full-time major league experience to completely change his approach to hitting?

I’d love to see him sent down, too. Just to see if such a transformation can take place. Otherwise I’d hit him 9th with most of our starters on the mound (everyone but Charlie).

Which would be a bigger blow to his ego? Demotion to Richmond or demotion to 9th in the Atlanta batting order?

By KC

June 29, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Well, it’s time to see how JoJo bounces back. If he pitches a great game today, It will go a long way to build my confidence in him.

Very big game today. We need to get a win and take 2 of 3 heading into the series with Phili.

By KC

June 29, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

DOB: PLEASE tell me McCann is hitting 5th today!!! Making that mistake once was bad enough (might have cost us the game)… but if he does it (bats Norton 5th) again… well, let’s hope he doesn’t.

By Will

June 29, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

The thing with Frenchy is that i am not sure what we are hoping for him to regain. Has he not always had a p** poor approach at the plate? I think it is just all catching up with him now. The Jeff Francoeur joy ride is over. And bringing in Acosta again in a tight spot is reason number 1,143 why Bobby Cox is not a good in-game decision maker.

By Section 412

June 29, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Big game today, imho. I don’t usually get into the hyperbole around individual games or series being “make or break” in the first half of the season, which just ended, but I think this one is big. Why? A win means a series victory on the road (rare this year). It also means we are no more than 4 out come Tuesday. With an off day tomorrow, then the Phils in town on the tail end of a LONG trip, we need to win that series. Then with the Phils and Mets playing each other while we play Houston, we have room to gain a little more.

There is no reason that we can’t be within a game or two by next Sunday, but we could be 7 or 8 out. I think today is a real tone-setter for the next week.

Let’s go get em Braves!

By jim

June 29, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Couple of comments from earlier posts:

What does JF drive? Whatever!!! He does NOT drive the ball to the gap and he does NOT drive in runs!!

Is Bobby slipping? I remember the shots from the dugout from the Yankee games back in the late 90’s. Torre and Zimmer, the bench coach, were always sitting next to each other, assumedly discussing the progress of the game and game situations. On Brave telecasts we hear Bobby rooting on every pitch, but does he ever sit with Cadhia and discuss strategy? Do the two have any kind of a working relatioship? We usually see him sitting next to McDowell. Does McDowell have much input on how the bullpen will be used on a given day? Bobby brings stability, perhaps more stability in terms of sticking with players and set lineups than most bloggers here would like; but that is his strength. In deference to advancing age, we all have to make some adjustments in our working routine, and Bobby must examine the situation and admit that he has to get more advice in formulating in-game strategy.

By jim

June 29, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

In defense of using Acosta: He has a live arm and a good breaking ball. He is in a terrible slump, but he did pitch a scoreless inning the last time out and he has been rested lately. He was probably warming up to pitch when the game was 6-1. If Acosta is to get out of a slump, the only way it can happen is for him to pitch his way out.

Batting Gotay 2nd: Gotay is a switch hitter, but he is a much weaker hitter right handed than left. Given the options Cox had for the lineup, if he were to Bat KJ 3rd, the next option for batting second would probably be Lil’bridge. That does not seem to be a better option on face value. Yesterday the Braves were playing with virtually no bench. There was no opportunity to bench JF or anyone else. If Chipper were to pinch hit, who would have played in the field? For all those who are calling for Gotay’s head right now, remember that it was Gotay’s 8th inning HR that started the game winning rally only a weak ago.

Batting Norton 5th in front of McCann does not make a lot of sense, but then neither does the order of Norton, JF, Lil’bridge, B. Jones following the 5th spot look very promising. On paper it looks like one out of every two innings you have no reasonable chance to score.

By James

June 29, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

James

Maybe. But does that mean that every minor leaguers age should be questioned? I’ll believe their listed age until I am told different by a reliable source(like the team or the player himself).

Sorry, it was meant as humor. Humor must not show up here well. I was under the impression everyone knew that Birth dates and ages since the 9/11 tragedy where scrutinized to accuracy. My fault for attempted levity.

By timthebrave

June 29, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

I disagree about Acosta. I think he has good stuff but needs to be used differently. Get him in ball games that aren’t close so that he can get his confidence back without the pressure. I think he will still be a good ballplayer. All these Bobby Cox haters sound like a bunch of fools. I can’t see how every loss is blamed on him but all the wins are the players doing. If all the losses are his fault then all the wins are his too. I guarantee NONE of the Braves players that took cuts would be here if not for Bobby. Imagine the last 6 years without Chipper or Smoltz. Do you think they would take the discount for another manager? I don’t. Does Bobby sometimes make bad decisions that cost us games? Sure…Will he go and deserve to go to the hall of fame on the first vote? YES…Go Braves!

By flange1

June 29, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

James,

For your information, the Astro found out earlier this year that M Tejada was older that his supposed age.

So no, “everyone” does NOT know how old some of these Dominican players really are.

Your joke was fine, but I agree with Efrim, just got to believe what you are told until there is evidence to the contrary.

By James

June 29, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Todays batting order Gregor Blanco CF, Ruben Gotay 3B, Kelly Johnson 2B, Mark Teixeira 1B, Brian McCann C, Greg Norton DH, Jeff Francoeur RF, Brandon Jones LF, Brent Lillibridge SS

By Will

June 29, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Timthebrave, I personally think the BLIND loyalty towards bobby cox is just as foolish. You are darn right he is a hall of famer for sure, but it doesnt mean it might not be time for a change in the culture around here. I mean just how many freaking times is he gonna continue to throw the same players out in situations to fail time and time and time and time again!

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

No change in Chipper or Escobar, both hoping to play Tuesday, but not a certainty.

Chipper’s also uncertain about All-Star Game. He wants badly to play, but says if he can’t, he can’t. But that decision doesn’t have to be made for some time. Right now he’s just trying to get back in the lineup for the series with the Phillies.

“We’ve got to win the series,” he told me just a few minutes ago.

His quad still hurts when he stretches, still hurts when he runs at over about 50 percent effort. Bobby Cox thinks Chipper will be ready Tuesday, or at least he hopes he will be. He’s planning on it, put it that way.

By James

June 29, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

Well flange we do know how old baseball players are since 9/11 now that the last one that was signed pre 9/11, out of thousands has been discovered. The Tejada situation is in a different light since he was signed as an amateur free agent in 1993. Again, something that was meant as humor has been lost.

Lighten up. Have some fun. Life is short. Get the small end of the bat outta ya behind and you won’t squint. Life is good.

Betemit was younger when signed and Furcal older.

By brian

June 29, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

did I miss the storyline on Acosta being sent down to the minors and Stockman being recalled? Why has this not happened yet?

By ncscoots

June 29, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

DOB, Efrim, I actually thought Elvis had the lightbulb come on last year, after the trade. He hit .300 in the Cal League (I think), and had a good AFL season. I haven’t really tracked him this year, but, last I looked, he was hitting in the .260s. Don’t know what he’s doing now. Efrim’s right, he’s still playing above age level, but gotta hit sometime, fer sure.

BTW, I saw him take one of those awful-minor-league-field bad hops once that would have put a facial on 99% of ML SS. Before I could get the “Oh s!@t” out of my mouth, glove snapped up, ball fielded cleanly, and a rocket to first. Jaw-dropping. Hands that quick oughta be able to hit! :-)

By KC

June 29, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

James: THANK GOD!!!! At least BC didn’t make that mistake again.

By Tomas

June 29, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Timthebrave, well said.

By jim

June 29, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Pitch selection for JF has always been a problem, however, it is not the only reason for concern. When he DOES get a pitch to hit this year he rarely does anything with it. The number of balls that he has hit hard this year would probably total fewer than half his hits and probably no more than 10% of his outs. I recall 3 hits that he has in this recent slump. One was an infield hit, one a weak grounder that was well-placed between 1st and 2nd, and the third a bouncer up the middle that was not stung but could be credited as a legitimate base hit. I think he is an athlete that has rarely experienced failure in the past and has often experienced remarkable success. He has not learned how to handle the failure, and is pressing too hard to try to regain the success. When Kotsay returns, the outfield has to be Kotsay, Blanco, and B. Jones no matter which hand the pitcher throws with. Jeff needs to invent an injury (mentally unable to perform?), go on the DL, and have a full rehab assignment.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

You guys will love this. I was getting some quotes for Sports Illustrated from Braves players, about Shea Stadium for a story they might do (obviously they wanted me to talk to Chipper, who named his kid Shea because he’s basically owned the stadium during his career).

Anyway, this quote from Francoeur, about Shea fans and how brutal they are in terms of ragging on players:

“They’re the second-best behind Philadelphia. Philly’s still got ‘em. Philly’s more vulgar. They’ve got better quotes there in New York, at least. But it’s fun. Especially when you’re winning, they like to get on you.”

Then I asked if they get on him about his name or anything like that:

“Yeah, I always hear ‘France sucks” and “You should’ve helped us in the war,” stuff like that.”

By Tomas

June 29, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Increideble the angels had a no hitter yesterday and lost one to nothing, because of two errors.

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

KC

I guess we’ll see about Hampton within a few weeks. Of course I don’t have more than just a feeling, but something tells me he’s going to pitch well.

By Moby Grape

June 29, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

did I miss the storyline on Acosta being sent down to the minors and Stockman being recalled? Why has this not happened yet?Brian

As far as I can tell the guy has not pitched since he was sent down.Nothing in the minors since May 14th according to the three sources that I checked. If that is so there must be some reason and it would seem unlikely that he would be brought back up. It might correspond to why he was used so seldom up here.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Blanco has eight hits in his past three games before today, and has hit .321 with a .377 OBP in his past 15 games.

Odd thing: He has 18 hits in that-15 game stretch, and all but one game in multi-hit games. He had seven multi-hit games in those 15, and seven games with no hits. Only one game with one hit.

By TexasBrave

June 29, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Someone please tell me why Gotay is hitting 2nd? Why not B. Jones or move KJ 2nd and McCann 3rd.

By Jeff321

June 29, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

The Braves starting pitching is doing well. So, putting Hampton back in the rotation would be a classic Bobby Cox move. The only spot Hampton needs to be is the bullpen. We just can’t count on the guy and even if we could.. Is he really better than any of the current crop? I would say hell no.

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Even though he was caught stealing, I like the aggressiveness of Blanco that inning. Gotay is struggling. I wonder if he’s a better choice than Lillbridge in that spot?

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Pretty impressive damage control by Jo-Jo there. First and second, no outs, and he gets out without any damage.

By Robert

June 29, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

“The Braves starting pitching is doing well. So, putting Hampton back in the rotation would be a classic Bobby Cox move”

Bobby Cox 101 - If it aint broke, break it. If it is broke, keep using it and stare at it vacantly in the hope it will fix itself

By ppaddy123

June 29, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Jeff321 As a general rule, major league baseball teams don’t pay a guy a go-zillion dollars to sit in the bull pen.

By TexasBrave

June 29, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Jeff321 sooner or later Morton is going to start to get rocked before things even out for him. Not very many rookie pitchers in recent memory have come up and just dominated without going through a tough spell. Send him down on a high note with a few things to work on for the next time he is up this year or as one of the starters in next years rotation.

By Steve C.

June 29, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Jeff321,

I can think of about 15 million reasons, if Hampton is healthy and off DL, why he would be in the rotation. As it was stated at the beginning of the year and last season, and…anyway, if he isn’t on the DL, insurance isn’t picking up a part of the tab, and last I checked, not too many 15 million dollar pitchers in the pen. Not really a classic Cox move at all, I think most teams would handle it the same way…

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Grrrrr……AVG with RISP .291…AVG for the year .297……

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

And Burnett returns the favor — Braves had first and second, no outs, and get nothing against A.J.

Norton’s left some runners out there, hasn’t he? Whew.

By Will

June 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Robert, Gotta laugh at your Bobby 101 post. That is so true!!

By Jeff321

June 29, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Well, the Braves have been coddling Hampton for years.. So, whats the difference if he’s in the bullpen or hanging out in AA/AAA? At least in the bullpen he might eat some innings. I just don’t like the idea of taking anyone out of this rotation at this time. And that includes making a spot for Glavine.

Btw, when teams put the shift on Tex and have the third baseman playing SS.. Why can’t the “super star” just hit it in the third base area?

By Will

June 29, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

I thought Norton’s ball was gone last inning. He really got into that one!

By Chuck James is solid until the 6th!! (Formerly Steve-O)

June 29, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

GREG NORTON IS THE WORST PLAYER IN BASEBALL HANDS DOWN, HIM AND CORKY MILLER FIGHT IT OUT AS THE MOST EMBARASSING PATHETIC LOSERS IN THE MLB!!!! I CANT TOLERATE WATCHING EITHER OF THE TWO ITS SICKENING!!!! DOB WHY THE HELLLLL DID THEY TAKE CORKY OVER JAVY??? ITS NOT LIKE CORKY GUNS OUT EVERY RUNNER AND HES BATTING .090!!!!!! JAVY WAS SLIM AND IN SHAPE AND WACKIN LINERS I DONT GET IT…ALSO WHY IS GREG NORTON OUR FIFTH BATTER??? WE HAVE ZERO CHANCE OF SCORING UNLESS A) WE GET LUCKY AT THE BOTTOM OF LINEUP WITH INFIELD HITS AND BUNTS AND ERRORS OR KELLY TEX AND MAC GET STRAIGHT HITS….PATHETIC!!!!

By Braves20

June 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

In line with Mr. O’Brien’s original thesis for this blog, it is truly a miracle that this team is but 4 games out. Probably more a testiment to how weak a division leader the Phils are than anything else.

We have ten players who were presumed to be part of our team this year out of the lineup. Today’s line-up includes four guys who should be at Triple A or lower and yet we are just four out.

It’s probably way too much to hope for but if we could get just half those injured guys back, we can probably climb back into this thing and even win it.

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

I’m not “counting on” Hampton, I do feel that if he comeback he will be close to what he was before the injury streak.

A veteran with a 138-101 record needs to be in the rotation if he is healthy. That is a better record than all 4 rookies put together x’s 3!

And if Glavine is healthy he goes back into the rotation too.

By School Marm

June 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Steve-O, it’s called cap locks. Take it off please. Your hurting our ears with your shouts!

By Interested Observer

June 29, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

If Kotsay is activated on Tuesday, is B. jones the one to go back down? I know it probably should be Frenchy, but I don’t see that happening. I assume if they need an infielder it will be Diory Hernandez, unless they activate Prado earlier than expected.

Has anyone seen Jorge Julio pitch since he joined Richmond? Could he be a suitable replacement for Acosta?

By Dr. Phil

June 29, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Jeff 321: If you mean having several surgeries, two of them major operations, in the past 3-4 years, then yes, the Braves have to definitely quit “coddling” Hampton. Have you ever had a major surgery? If so, I hope nobody “coddled” you.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Gotay is 6-for-41 since May 21, and 1-for-17 this season as a No. 2 hitter.

By Stephen

June 29, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Give Norton a break. With all the injuries, he’s been thrust into an everyday role and that’s not what kind of player he is. He was brought here to pinch hit and to give a man a day off every now and then, but instead he’s virtually playing everyday. Give him a break and understand that his being in the lineup so much is not ideal but necessary under the circumstances.

By Bob Costas

June 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

NEWS ALERT Word is that the Atlanta Braves have fired Bobby Cox as manager. The new manager is a nobody by the name of Robert. Rumor has it that he was working the driveup window at the Burger Queen in Alpharetta.

By Will

June 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Jeff321, You are absolutely right about Hampton, but Braves will no doubt put him right back in the rotation if he comes back. But look on the bright side that pansy is not coming back so Bravos should be fine.

By Chuck James is solid until the 6th!! (Formerly Steve-O)

June 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

DOB

I want your HONEST opinion….Do you think Corky Miller is THE worst player in baseball?? Please answer honestly….

PS - If you didn’t realize I DESPISE Greg Norton and Im sick of Ms. Chipper Jones playing 110 games…He’s great, my favorite player, but he is fully injury prone and can’t stay on the field anymore…

PPS - Brent Lillibridge would struggle on a High School team, he is the definition of “The Pits”

By Jeff321

June 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

*A veteran with a 138-101 record needs to be in the rotation if he is healthy. That is a better record than all 4 rookies put together x’s 3!

And if Glavine is healthy he goes back into the rotation too.*

What about when Hampton starts getting lit up? Next DL stint will be for hurt feelings.

If Glavine comes back to the rotation, it will be more 5 inning appearances and getting rocked most of the time.

By TexasBrave

June 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Stephen I don’t know about Norton but I would think he would be excited about the opportunity to get to play everyday. He may not be used to it but I can’t believe he would complain about being in there everyday.

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Ruben might have to get DFA when Prado gets back.

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Heap needs to make em pay.

By timthebrave

June 29, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

I don’t have BLIND loyalty for Bobby Cox. I watch every game and go to about 20 games a year. These are the players he has. What would you suggest he do. Yesterday for example….Bring in Mike Gonzalez with the bases loaded. Say he strikes all 3 out…Hooray! We lose another one run game and have nobody close today. Bat Chipper and he hits a 3 run bomb instead of Gotay. Hooray! Another 1 run loss. Those are big ifs and we lose either way. As far as the lineup. What would you suggest? It’s hard to get a lineup going with all the injuries. Take the best hitter and pitcher off any club and see how good they are. (Smoltz and Chipper) It’s mostly up to the players to win games..We need some runs today. Go Braves!

By Chuck James is solid until the 6th!! (Formerly Steve-O)

June 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Give Norton a break because he is batting .190 or because he has left 30 men on base in the last 20 games??

By ppaddy123

June 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

that was about 4 inches inside! no way it caught the plate.

By Reason2

June 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Most fans want to do Bobby like he has A. Jones and Jeff. Leave them out there till they crack, are die on their own. Same with b/c some fans rather die with b/c than make a move.

Man! AJB looks good. just got Mc looking. Bay game winner last night! Be great as a Brave.

By timthebrave

June 29, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

I don’t have BLIND loyalty to Bobby Cox. I watch almost every game and go to about 20 games a year. What would you suggest he do yesterday? Put Mike Gonzalez in with the bases loaded. If he strikes all 3 batters out and gets out of the inning we still lose by 1 run and we don’t have him for today? Bat Chipper instead of Gotay and he hits a 3 bomb. Hooray another one run loss. Those are big ifs in both of those situations and we still probably lose. I just think he has done a good job of keeping us in it with all the injuries we have had. Take the best hitter and pitcher on any club and see how good they are? What would you do with the lineup? Send francouer down and bat WHO in his place? You people sound like me ex-girlfriend….B*** and moan no matter what you say or do. That’s why she is my x. Get some runs today and GO BRAVES!!

By Robin

June 29, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

DOB: How about shooting a little “heads-up” to Sp. South’s audio crew on Boog’s mic. Either a bad channel, bad mic, or a bad insert, etc. Pretty annoying.

Well, whaddaya know, they fixed it! I must be telepathic!

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Jeff321

Look I realize you are upset with Hampton, I think we all are disappointed that he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. But when he was healthy he was great(138-101)

But Hampton pitched his way into the rotation this Spring. So if he is healthy he goes back into the rotation.

When Kotsay is healthy he goes back into CF, even though Blanco is tearing it up right now.

As one of the people screaming for Acostas’s head, I would think that you would want to stop asking people to perform roles they aren’t being asked to perform.

The fact is, Campillo, Morton, and Jo Jo weren’t supposed to be in the rotation this year. They’ve been great. But there is a reason why they didn’t win spots during ST and Hampton and Glavine did.

By TexasBrave

June 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

timthebrave although I agree with not throwing in Gonzalez in that situation, I have to say that Chipper should have pinch hit for Gotay. You have to give yourself a chance to win and Chipper in that spot does that. Sure with a homer we would still be one run down but you would still have KJ and Tex coming up to try and get that run.

You have to get yourself in a position to win.

By Chuck James is solid until the 6th!! (Formerly Steve-O)

June 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Game. Over.

By Edward

June 29, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

What do you want to bet that ALL THIS BASE RUNNERS LEFT ON BASE will come back to haunt the braves in this game…im just prepared to watch the Braves Score ZERO RUNS! and watch the BLUE JAYS CELEBRATE AS THEY WIN IT IN THE 9th…what a Waste of a great Pitching performance!..JESUS!!…WHAT A WASTE OF TEAM!!

By Will

June 29, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

timthebrave, I would suggest the Braves move in a different direction to end this current culture of their team. Sometimes its just time to move on. At this point Bobby Cox would be a great bench coach, great guy to have around the team and give his input but not be the ulimate decsion maker any longer. He could still yell COME ON KID and TAKE BALL 4 all he wanted.

By Flanders

June 29, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

GAME OVER….im tired of This…Braves always do this….LOB LOB LOB and mORE LOB and then the other Team scores a run or two and thats it…geez…WHEN THIS SUFFERING ENDS…EFFIN TELL ME..thsi team will go nowhere with this TYPE OF PLAY!!

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

[Very heavy sigh.]

By Will

June 29, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

And also its easy to b*** and moan watching a .500 baseball team that easily should be better and should have 3 or 4 world titles. I hope Cox manages til he is 95 cause there is nothing more exhilarating then watching your favorite team win 95-100 games a season and then get bounced right out of the playoffs by a lesser team. I have really missed that these last 2 years.

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

An absolute waste.

Jeff wasn’t even trying to go to right there.

Infante needs to be given at bats in right field.

By JEB

June 29, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

timthebrave Your 2:39 post is RIGHT on! Wish everyone could see as clearly. There is a BIGGER picture in place, more to think about than just the best scenario we think of in our own minds.

By bgvt

June 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

On the theme of 23 starts into a career, today is Jo Jo’s 23rd appearance and 22nd start of his career. Coming into today, he was 5-7 with a 5.26 ERA over his career. He has brought the ERA down a touch with today’s performance.

He also seems to have improved a ton since last year. His BB/9 is down from 5.3 last year to 3.4 this year and his K/9 is up from 4.8 to 7.4. He is also getting more ground outs than last year.

By Robert S

June 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Naturally, after the Braves couldn’t make contact with a runner on and one out in the top of the 6th, the Jays score in the bottom half.

Am I the only one who thinks this is getting old?

This horrible lack of punch is gonna take a toll on the pitching staff eventually. The pressure is only going to mount for these guys, knowing that the Braves can only muster a run here or there. Or none. Just saw Francoeur ground out to third with a runner on second. This is maddening!!

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

He finally gets a first-pitch fastball on the plate, and takes it.

Then grounds out to third, the one thing he couldn’t do in that at-bat, with a runner at second and none out. Hit it anywhere in the air — to left, center or right. Hit a grounder to the right side and move the runner over. Anything but the groundout to the left side.

Oh, well … wild pitch accomplishes what Francoeur did not. Runner’s at third now with one out.

By Will

June 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Way to move that runner over Frenchy!! My god he cant do anything right now, this is pathetic.

By StingerSplash

June 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Boy, Frenchy’s outs are now in the class of bad outs. Sure, it’s B. Jones and Lillibridge behind you in the order, but you’ve got to find a way to get that runner to third with less than two outs so a grounder, a sac fly, a 58-foot curveball that bounces past Barajas (and swear to God, that just happened as I was typing it) can score him. For my next trick … lottery numbers! Or getting B. Jones a hit against A.J. Burnett. Yikes.

By Coach Smith

June 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

This team without CHIPPER, YUNEL, KOTSAY, INFANTE, and DIAZ is looking OVERMATCHED OFFENSIVELY

Frenchy CAN’T DO ANYTHING RIGHT right now…

If he moves the runner over it is 1-1 right now…..

By fastasballs

June 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Francoeur just missed a golden opportunity to move the runner over, but he doesn’t even try. He should have been looking for anything outside to hit to the right side & he stares at a perfect fastball on the outside corner on the first pitch. Every other time he would have swung at the first pitch.

It’s one thing to be in a slump, but it’s another when you can’t even execute getting a runner to 3rd by sacrificing your at bat. Pathetic is about the only word to decribe his play right now.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

These matchups seem almost unfair, B Jones and Lillibridge looking like, well, rooks against Burnett.

Blew that 96 mph heat by Lil’ Bridge.

By timthebrave

June 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Hindsight is 20/20 but instead of Chipper hitting a 3 run bomb say he hits a grounder and hurts his quad worse. Then you b*** and moan even more. It’s easy to say that Gotay shouldn’t have been hitting because he got out. JMO on the game yesterday. I’m sick of not getting runners in with less than 2 outs and a runner on 3rd. So frustrating..Go Braves

By beachcomber

June 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Sad to watch a gutty pitching perforamce like this ruined by the little league line-up playing behind Jo Jo Reyes.

By Robin

June 29, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Ya think our leftys might be expecting A.J.’s 0-2 curveball? Jimminy crickets!! Adjustments…. guys!

Lilly was totally over-matched in that ab.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Well, at least the ‘Bridge made a helluva play in the field after his K.

Season-high 11 strikeouts for Burnett.

By Jeff321

June 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Fair enough, kirknga. But, what is Hampton’s record as a Brave? Because last time I checked, winning games for other teams really isn’t relevant. (Unless of course you’d like to make a case that he’s worthy of HOF consideration!)

By rupert

June 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

francouer has no idea what he is doing, I have always been a big fan of his, laughed at people saying send him down etc. but its time, the kid needs to go down, beat up on some tripple a pitching, hopefully come back later on with some confidence and a better approach

gotay, lillibridge, b.jones, all over matched at this level, jones started out well, but they have figured him out and he’s not adjusting

wren has got to make some move, this offense is pathetic

By Section 412

June 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Lillibridge and BJones = overmatched against Burnett. Doesn’t mean they can’t play, or they suck, etc. Just means they are overmatched against a big-time major league pitcher. But, they are all that we have today.

That said, DOB often asks how the season ticket holders would react to certain moves. As one, I tell you that I would 100% support getting Frenchy off this team for now. If you think the future is bright, that’s fine, then send him down. If you think that would devastate him, tell him his ankle / foot is worse than he thought and that he needs to be DL’d. I know you can’t do that today, but as soon as we get some healthy players back, do it. Play Infante in left and Norton in right if you have to. Give BJones more ABs. Move Blanco to right when Kotsay is back. Pull the trigger on a trade for an outfielder. Anything. Frenchy must go, if even for just a while.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

That’s 119 pitches for AJ — best hope for Braves is to get to that bullpen.

By StingerSplash

June 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Can’t say enough about the way JoJo has pitched today. Looks like he has really figured this stuff out. He has pitched very well the last month or so, outside of that start against the Brewers.

By LT-AA Blogger

June 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Back from a long vacation and this team still can’t hit. Even with Tex finally doing his thing, this team is absolutely wasting excellent pitching.

Absolute rubbish!

By Greg O.

June 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

DOB, any chance you could check with the Elias Sports Bureau on MLB team statistics for conversion rate with a runner on third and less than two outs? I can’t imagine there’s a team in baseball worse than the Braves.

By vic

June 29, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Lillibrige is so small the bats bigger than him. Must be reason for name? He can still pick’em.

Did ya’ll see Bobby in dugout playing with different gloves..what a joke.

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Got to tip your cap to AJ today. That curveball has been devastating.

It’s frustrating, especially since we had men on base, but he bought his A-game today.

He pitched like a guy looking to op-out this winter.

By KC

June 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

If the Braves lose this game, I can’t really fault anyone for the loss.

Yes, there have been a lot of runners left on base, but Burnett has been completely dominant. I think the hitters have done all they can.

The only one I fault is Frenchy for not inside-outing the ball to move the runner over.

Unlike yesterday, Gotay did what he needed to do and bunter the runner over when he needed to. Again, I think these guys have done their best.

JoJo has certainly pitched well enough to win. It’s just one of those things where we ran into a buzzsaw with an injury decimated lineup.

As Joe Simpson pointed out, they couldn’t even use Chipper to pinch-hit because there were no options on the bench to replace Lillibridge.

All I can say is that Chipper, Escobar, and even Infante (as well as he was hitting) can’t get back soon enough. Kotsay would also be a welcomed addition.

Get well soon guys. I can’t stand to watch this lineup much longer.

By TexasBrave

June 29, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Great pitching performance by Jo-Jo. Lets get him some runs this inning, there is no way he deserves to loose this game.

By KC

June 29, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Somebody give Gotay a pat on the back. He brought his glove with him today.

By Robert S

June 29, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

I truly wonder if Wren and Cox are ever going to reach a point where they feel the need to demote Francoeur. He’s a big liability right now. I know the odds of him getting optioned to Richmond are about 10%, but he’s doing the Braves no good here. He needs to go down and learn some plate discipline.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

kirknga—

Sorry. My cap is staying on my head…

By Ned

June 29, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

THIS TEAM IS A JOKE R.I.P 2008 SEASON

By StingerSplash

June 29, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Hey, Burnett could do this to a lot of teams. Anybody who can walk 9 guys and still hang around long enough to finish a no-hitter …. No one has ever questioned his ability from the shoulder down. Between the ears and rib cage, maybe a different story. So what was that like in person, DOB? How many WTFs got tossed out in the pressbox that night?

By timthebrave

June 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

I think you wait until Kotsay or Diaz come back to sit Francoeur but I still like him being a back up pinch hitter. I’d rather see him up there down by 1 than Corky Miller…..unless there is bases loaded

By KC

June 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

If Gotay can score the tying run, it would be fitting because he’s played the field with a helluva lot of heart.

Alright Tex, the stage is yours. Get em home.

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Hampton’s record with the Braves is 32-20 3.87.

By KC

June 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

If McCann walks, I say pinch-hit Chipper, and if he reaches, use Escobar to pinch run, and Jorge Campillo (who can hit) can replace Norton as the DH.

By Jo-Jo Reyes

June 29, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

What’s it take to get a run of support?

By A-ville Ranger

June 29, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Down one, bottom of the eighth, on the road…yet again.

By timthebrave

June 29, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Nobody is hitting in this line up besides Tex and the Jays no it. It really hurts not having Chipper in the line up

By KC

June 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

OK, well if the bullpen can hold the Jays in bottom of the 8th, I still say we should get Chipper up to the plate in the 9th.

He can (and should) pinch hit for Brandon Jones. If he reaches, use Escobar or Jurrjens to pinch-run, Norton to LF, and Campillo can DH.

By JEB

June 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Right now, we have only got BMac, TEX, and KJ, who are proven guys. But, you can’t place all of the weight on them. There are ways to pitch around these three. Blanco is doing what he can, you only win with the rest of this line up if you are lucky. They are unproven rooks and backups for the most part. Without Chipper, Escobar, Kotsay, Diaz (Frenchy being who he is supposed to be) to balance this line up and pick up the slack, we are really not a good team! I don’t know that we are even a .500 team. What keeps us in the games is our starting pitching!!

Can you imagine this line up with last years starting pitching - GEEZ I don’t know that we would be better than the NATS.

If we get some guys healthy, and perhaps an extra bat, with our starting pitching coming around and giving quality starts, this can be as good a team as any of the early 90’s team for the second half!

I love baseball!!

By Coach Smith

June 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

That was probably the last chance..

I hate to say this but it is time for Chipper and Yunel to SUCK IT UP..

Take the old cortizone shot, loosen up, and play

they are sitting there watching the Braves give away game after game

Teams are going to continue to walk TEX until they get back which for all intents and purposes eliminates not only Chipper and Yunel from the lineup but TEX as well

NOT going to win that way

Can’t afford to waste starts like this

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Sorry. My cap is staying on my head…

Huh?

By Jeff321

June 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Wow, I like McCann but he’s come up short a few times today. Oh well, I guess losing 1-0 is better than 6-0. Stop the press! Boyer just gave up a double, eh.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

This would be the 23rd consecutive one-run road loss for Braves, extending their own major league record.

Unbelievable.

For those seeking good news: Kotsay 6-for-18 on rehab assignment before today. Haven’t checked today’s stats yet.

By Daybed Wagmoe

June 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

DOB

You’d be doing all of us who are watching on TV a huge favor if you could find whoever is blowing that damn horn and shove it down their throat. Thanks man.

By Daybed Wagmoe

June 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

DOB

You’d be doing all of us who are watching on TV a huge favor if you could find whoever is blowing that damn horn and shove it down their throat. Thanks man.

By Daybed Wagmoe

June 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

DOB

You’d be doing all of us who are watching on TV a huge favor if you could find whoever is blowing that damn horn and shove it down their throat. Thanks man.

By DCbrave

June 29, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

With all the struggles the offense has exprienced lately, shouldn’t Cox play more small balls? I have not seen any non-pitcher bunts lately.

By Reason2

June 29, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Have no fear-with BC we always win.

By KC

June 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

OK… someone has GOT to work with McCann on blocking pitches in the dirt. That’s about 3 pitches in 2 games that he should have kept in front.

On another note…

We desperately need bullpen help!:

Once all of our hitters are healthy, I don’t think we’ll be as desperate for offense as we are for more relief help. Right now, Boyer, Ohman, and Gonzo are the only relievers we can trust in a tight game.

Gotta go get a proven late-inning reliever to add some depth.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

This game—

By fastasballs

June 29, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

The Braves are going to have to make some roster moves if the injury situation isn’t resolved soon. Giving away two games in Toronto hurts, but not as bad as giving them to the Phillies.

The team is still in a good spot in the standings & the starts for the most part have been solid & I don’t see that changing.

Lil’bridge, Gotay & Miller are basically just wasting roster spots. None of them can produce any offense.

I assume Kotsay is about ready. I would also bring up maybe Diory Hernandez & send out Lil’bridge. DFA Gotay when Prado returns & get a back up catcher up here that can hit his weight.

Francoeur is a lost cause right now. He really needs to go down to the minors & get his head straight. It may be the best thing that could happen to him. He’s suppose to be one of the Braves’ cornerstone players so they should do anything & everything to get him to play to his ability.

Yes it’s going to hurt his feelings, but it’s the best for him & the team.

By Coach Smith

June 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

I CAN’T HARDLY STOMACH THIS ANYMORE

Every chance in the world to win and run down the Phillies and Chipper, Yunel, and Infante can’t get off the bench AND

This team just can’t seem to get out of it’s own way

By KC

June 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Why isn’t Chipper hitting????????

Your last at-bat… Chipper should be up there. Worry about what you’re going to do in the field if you tie it after you tie it.

By A-ville Ranger

June 29, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Throw out the one run games and the Braves would be on pace to win 103 games this season.That doesn’t even count the many times the team has lost by two or three when they failed to hold or score late.There is no structural problem that could acount for these things.These guys collectively are the worst group of clutch players maybe in the history of pro baseball.

By StingerSplash

June 29, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

13 strikeouts. Not good.

By Lorena Bobbitt

June 29, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

I never thought I’d miss Pete Orr, but he would actually be an improvement over 5 guys on the Braves roster…sad.

By Quack Quack

June 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

OK so McCann is backing up Tex today like y’all were screaming about, and guess what Tex has walked 3 times. What a big damn difference that made huh? And Norton is the one with a hit. Just like all the other crap that y’all rant about, means absolutely nothing, in fact they scored 4 with yesterday’s lineup and NONE with McCann in 5th. Well another loss looms, guess all you haters will have another enjoyable night pontificating about what Cox should do, cause obviously y’all know it all. Sheesh, what a bunch of jerks.

By Robin

June 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

That drive by BJ was like rubbing some salt into the wound/s. :( :(

One more biscuit for breakfast and …..

Ugly series, all around. :(

By brent a.

June 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Just more evidence of how good a team we are.

By TexasBrave

June 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Again what would have been the harm in letting Chipper pinch hit for B. Jones there? Let Chip take a shot at hitting one out. He doesn’t need to run hard if he doesn’t and if he gets on base then have one of the pitchers run for him.

By Will

June 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Another just pathetic waste of a great pitching performance. I dont care if they bring a guy up from Class A Jeff F has to be benched. If he isnt even gonna move runners over then he is worthless to this team.

By JEB

June 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Well, the Braves broke the record for the most consecutive one run road losses.(23)

Of course it was their own record they broke!

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

kirknga—

You said to “tip your cap to AJ”. Sorry. My cap is staying on my head.

Jeff321—

I love McCann, but you can’t ignore that he left 6 men on base. Guess this time he shoulders the blame.

Losing 1-0 is better than 6-0? Why? A loss is a loss…

By MAV

June 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith,

Appearently you don’t remember all season long pitchers intentionally walking Chipper to get to Tex. I’m sure it makes alot of sense to you for them to suck it up, but wouldn’t it be great if they got injured further by sucking it up. Pay attention jack!*#

By timthebrave

June 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Small ball would be great but I haven’t seen anyone lay down a good bunt except some of the veteran pitchers. I’ve seen some slumps.. but Francouer is playing terrible right now. Not getting the runners over and in is what cost you so many 1 run games. What scares me even more is what happens if we don’t sign Tex. Got to get a big bat now…Go Braves

By Eman

June 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

I can’t and don’t expect this team to improve much more than they way they’re playing for the rest of this year.

It’s June and they’re still losing one run games and they’re still losing consistently on the road. If it’s June there’s not much left that you can teach.

Phillies are going to win tonight, and then I expect them to take 2-3 in the upcoming series. The better team should always win and the Phillies should

By Robert S

June 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Final. Braves lose their 7,654th one run game in a row, and of course they strike out twice in the ninth.

When they scout players to sign or trade for, do the Braves go out and actually look for guys who can strike out?

This is all sarcastic of course, but there’s gotta be some serious changes soon. The status quo aren’t cutting it. They’re not out of it because no one else is exactly lighting it up, but a golden opportunity to move up in the standings is being totally wasted by their pitiful offense. Hope for Chipper and Escobar to return soon, hope Kotsay comes back and stays healthy, send Frenchy to Richmond, DFA Norton and Gotay, call Anderson back up, and hope that Wren will pick up a bat like Nady or Ibanez. Anything’s better than the clowns we have in the lineup now…

By rupert

June 29, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

hate to say this but it seems like chipper has adopted the same injury approach he had for the past few years, he went into warrior mode last when smoltz called him out, really could use him in there tues. night, shoot it up, and play hoss

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI)

June 29, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Dammit.

Chipper not PH’ing makes me worried he won’t be ready against Philly.

Once again, a pitching gem wasted but the comatose bats.

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Never feels good to lose. Great outing by Jo Jo though, can’t ask him to do much better.

I hope Soriano is able to get it together. To me, his return is as important as anyone else’s. With the return of Gonzalez, Sorianos’ return will allow them to lessen the innings for Boyer and Acosta which hopefully will do both of them some good;especially Acosta.

By AuburnBrave

June 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Another day, another 1-run road loss.

At least according to the remarks Frank Wren made during the game today it sounds like they’re ready to pull the trigger to get some offensive help, the sooner the better boys.

By James

June 29, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Kotsay did not play in Mississippi today. He was on a plane to Atlanta this morning

By Coach Smith

June 29, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

MAV

If they are SOOOOO hurt..THEN THEY NEED TO BE ON THE DL Jack Azz

If not, they are simply hamstringing the Braves even more

Having played football through the collegiate level I have to say that many of these injuries that keep Baseball players out of the game would NEVER, repeat NEVER keep a footabll player off the field

Just an example, Keith Brooking played last year with two fractured vertabraes in his neck, football players will play with torn cartiagle in their knees, casts on their arms, for crying out loud VICK played QB in a NFL game with TWO SEPERATED SHOULDERS and we know what kind of “team guy” he wasn’t…

Any of those would shut down a baseball player for months

By Chuck James is solid until the 6th!! (Formerly Steve-O)

June 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

I rather Chino Cadahia batting then Lillibridge who looks like he is in T-Ball at the plate and Norton who strikes out relentlessly and shakes his head like he expected to actually do something productive. Francoeur is batting .238, he is overrated and terrible, bat him 8th or send him to AAA. Thank GOD we didn’t sign him long term…His mind is not on baseball his head is somewhere else and it is blatantly obvious…

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Look at that. Braves lose a one run game on the road.

The Marlins come back and score 2 runs off Lyon in the 9th.

What’s are one run record again?

By DAP01

June 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Francouer is not a smart hitter. He needs to be benched or sent to AAA to learn how to play ball. Right now, he don’t have a clue and I don’t know if he realizes it.

By ncscoots

June 29, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

DOB, I know you mentioned that the blog has seen its hits go up in the last few months, and it got me to thinking about the content of that increase. A one-run loss today seems an appropriate day to unveil a little unscientific research into:

“The Top Ten Blog Posts By Frequency”

1. “I know the pitching’s been good, but the bullpen stinks”.

2. “I know Tex has been ripping lately, but not when it counts. Tex stinks.”

3. “Why is Corky Miller on this team?”

4. “The bench stinks.”

5. “(insert name here, many different mentions; all players eligible regardless of actual performance) stinks.”

6. “The season is over” (multiple dates of posts counted in this category)

7. “Send (insert name here) down, and bring up (insert other name here).” (Most names interchangeable, multiple counts; includes Stockman-Acosta posts)

8. “Cox is senile.”

9. “Francoeur stinks.”

10. “This team stinks.”

For those interested, you may count today’s posts to see if these percentages hold, LOL.

By KC

June 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Despite a series loss that sucked beyond belief…

There’s still plenty of reason to remain positive.

The bottom line here folks is this… as Joe and Boog just said, when your best players are sitting on the bench for a while, it’s going to catch up to you.

As frustrating as it is to see the Braves floundering right now - despite great starting pitching, unable to get their heads above water (the .500 line)…

The Braves are going to get their injured players back. That alone will be a HUGE lift for this team. Beyond that, I think a move or two will be made to strengthen the offense and possibly the pen.

We HAVE to - absolutely MUST - take 2 of 3 from the Phillies.

We still have a chance to make a move over the next 8 days. We have the 3 game series against the Phillies at home, in which we’ll see neither of their lefties (Hamels and Moyer).

And then, beginning Friday, the Mets and Phillies go head to head for 4 games, so we’ll have a chance to gain ground on one or both.

So… yes, this sucked. But if we can find a way to win the next 2 series (against the Phillies and Astros), we’ll be in good shape as we should start getting some of our players back by the next time we go on the road.

By Coach Smith

June 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Oh and MAV

Chipper has been intentioally walked a GRAND TOTAL of 9 TIMES THIS YEAR

Maybe you should pay better attention to the team my friend

By Teddy Jack Eddy

June 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Gonzo and 24 ”Pucker Butts”I’ve never seen a team in any sport as ”sweet” as these guys.

By NO MORE BOBBY

June 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

In a division that sucks this year… WE SUCK MORE!!

Not gonna happen this year folks. Right when you think they are going to turn it around they instead let you down again. We need another David Justice to fire up this team and the fans again. Name one player with that kind of leadership for the Braves since he left. Exactly! There hasnt been anyone! The fact Chipper was just sitting there chewing gum with Mac up and two on in the eighth inning was a bit disappointing. I bet Jeter would have been up and letting his team know he was pulling for them to come through in that situation. But not Chipper. Not anybody!

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

McFann

Ah ok. Well you’re certainly entitled.

I’m not a pollyanna, but we need to hang in there. Get some people back and make a trade or two and the playoffs are still possible. At some point this 1-run madness will end.

In the mean time, we shouldn’t throw the rookies and young players under the bus. They should be allowed to have their growing pains. Unfortunately for us, those pains are coming with the expectation that we should contend for a playoff spot.

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI)

June 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

scoots Your #9 should be #1 lol

By Lorena Bobbitt

June 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Agreed, Chipper’s gotta suck it up and at least get one AB that game. I don’t care if he can only run half speed, he gives you a better chance than Frenchy, Gotay, Norton, and Lilly.

Also, at this point, continuing to write Frenchy’s name in the lineup every day is not in his or the team’s best interest.

I guess Cox just wants to make sure that when Frenchy’s career is ruined and he’s gone from the Braves, at least he’ll keep saying the company line about Cox: he always stands by his players, he’s the ultimate players’ manager, blah, blah.

By JEB

June 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

kirknga Look to see Hampton back before Sorianno! This with Soriano has been going on since February, with no end in sight! (5 months) So, don’t look for this to change in the next month - noone knows what the problem even is with him.

With Hampton at least we know what we are dealing with and he is doing rehab with no problems right now.

Hampton NEEDS to prove himself to get some sort of contract for next year with someone! 15 mill a year only goes so far you know.

My bet is that Hampton will push through and make some starts this year (just don’t know when).

By Coach Smith is a TOOL

June 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Football players don’t run the bases. Nobody cares about you and high school football. It couldn’t be more irrelevant. Is it required that if “coach” is in your name you’re a babbling retard? Brooking sucks.

By ncscoots

June 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Having played football through the collegiate level I have to say that many of these injuries that keep Baseball players out of the game would NEVER, repeat NEVER keep a footabll player off the field

And as a baseball player through the collegiate level, I have to say you have little concept of the difference in baseball and football injuries, and their effect on performance. Sorry, man, but here you just don’t have enough information to speak intelligently to the subject.

By Crabby Bill

June 29, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Was it N8 who said the entire group from the Cox era should go ? Whoever it was I’m starting to lean that way myself.There is something systemically wrong with this group.A complete break could be the best thing for these young players.It’s starting to feel like that store we all know that used to be great but the owners/management is past it’s prime and everything smells of mothballs.

By Deep Throat

June 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

A team with balls and the will to win would call up Schafer and send Francoeur to the minors to take Schafer’s spot.

Mets and Marlins win today. No one is going to lose forever…expect maybe the Braves. They’ve blown so many good pitching performances and so many chances with runners and scoring position. They’ve had their chances and they’ve failed. They’re a fourth place team and three games under .500.

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

ncscoots

Fun Stuff! So very True.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Just up from the clubhouse, sounds most likely that Chipper will be DL’d, though decision won’t be made until Tuesday.

He’s just not improved since his initial improvement that first couple days after the injury.

By RAR

June 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

The Braves should send Frenchy down to Richmond and keep Brandon Jones until Frenchy can learn to hit again. He was 0 for Canada!!

If they get hot they might finish at .500, but more likely to finish fourth and below .500. THIS TEAM SUCKS!

By MAV

June 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Coach Smith,

Ikno with your extensive career in sports that you must know alot. But baseball and football are 2 totally different sports. Think about it dog lover!

By ryan

June 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

what a lineup Francour sucks told my son when he was batting watch jeff hit ball to 3rd with runner on2nd .hell we didnt need dh this week end pitchers could do what norton can.b jones is ready to go back to aaa lillibridge to aa norton gotay and corky dfa fire cox

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

JEB I think you are right. Part of the reason I look for Hampton to return and possibly do well is because he has been so confounding to this point. So it would be entirely appropriate for him to come back and pitch well enough that his resigning becomes an open question.

Why are people down on Lillbridge? It was that long ago that he was the twinkle in everyone eyes. He’s been here a very short time and already he’s being thrown under the bus?

No mercy for the rooks and young ones, that’s sad.

By ncscoots

June 29, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI), it actually appears I got ALL the damn numbers backwards, LOL. On the other hand, maybe that’s just in keeping with the tenor of the list. :-)

By Kev

June 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

KC

2 out of 3…is good…lets even say its MANDATORY they win two games….but they MUST SWEEP THE PHILLIES…thats if they want to stay alive on this…winning 2 games against them would be the Consolation Prize IMO.

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Why are people down on Lillbridge? He just got here!

It wasn’t that long ago he was all people talked about, and now all of a sudden he’s no good?

We just don’t give our rooks and young players any leeway, they are expected to play like seasoned vets from day 1.

My guess is we’ll see this same short praise-to-bust cycle repeated with Stockman and Schafer too.

By KC

June 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Kev: Obviously it would be fantastic to get a sweep (and a little payback) against the Phils. But it’s probably not a must.

If they can take 2 of 3 from the Phils, and then do the same against the Astros (while the Mets and Phillies are beating up on each other)… we would likely be 2-3 games out by the end of the homestand, with some of our injured players coming off the DL around the end of the homestand.

That would put them in a good situation. But I certainly won’t argue against the benefits of a sweep here this week.

By A-ville Ranger

June 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

The Bobby Cox / Tom Landry comparisons are making more and more sense.I really,really wish Bobby would decide to retire and travel like he said he was going to do.He is making more money this one year than most make in a career of labor so it’s not like it’d be some tragic end.He’ll be a HOF manager with industry wide respect and probably a statue of his likeness outside the Ted.

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

Just up from the clubhouse, sounds most likely that Chipper will be DL’d, though decision won’t be made until Tuesday.

He’s just not improved since his initial improvement that first couple days after the injury.

Here is my worry. The Braves continue to play .500 baseball without Chipper. Stay 4-6 games back. Then think that they could win the division and trade very good to great prospects(similar to what happened last year). Very frustrating. At least we will get Kotsay back Tuesday, maybe Escobar and Infante too.

By Frenchy to Richmond

June 29, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

MUST SWEEP THE PHILLIES

With this lineup? With no Chipper? With Francoeur?

Just sign Nady already.

By Robert

June 29, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Getting shut down by Ben Sheets is one thing

Shutting themselves against AJ Burnett is quite another.

What a well managed team this is

4-21 in one-run games.

What WAS Donk doing with the gloves? Checking them for sugar cubes?

By BravesFan79

June 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

SADLY…i just dont think this organization is serious about winning anymore. Thanks for selling the team to some crap corporation Ted!

I mean no organization serious about winning carries pete orr and woodward for a whole season. No organization serious about winning has a backup catcher that cant even pinch hit (Corky), and starts severly overmatched players (Lillibridge) No organization serious about winning waits so long to make a trade to help a struggling team.

Im starting to think our only hope is for Author Blank to hurry up and buy the Braves! Man if Blank had invested the money in the Braves instead of wasting it on the Falcoons…..we would of at least seen the NLCS last year.

Owell… at least SPAIN won the Euro championship! viva la Spain!

I still believe in the Braves, well when Smoltz is back next season that is! Oyea….we gotta change up the coaching 2… i agree with a prior person on here that said we should demote Bobby to bench coach and let another younger manager make all the personell and strategic decisions!

Ive been saying Bobby should be nothing more than “head cheerleader” for a few years now it seems…. love ya Bobby…but man… i lost most of my faith in him after he started Mike (NOT A BIG GAME PITCHER) against the Astros in that game 5….Instead of Smoltz (Best big game pitcher EVER in my mind) And of course like i predicted the night before….by the time Smoltz was brought in around the 5th or 6th inning…. the game was out of reach!

By Robin

June 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

I say shut Hoss down till the break, get some of these other guys healthy and nickel & dime some wins out against the Phils, ‘Stros, Dodgers and Padres, start the second half with a relatively healthy line-up and take it to the house.

No reason to risk an even more devastating injury to U Know Who. He could do some serious damage tryin’ to leg out a double, trying to score from second, or go from 1st to third.

By StingerSplash

June 29, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

Even the Astros TV announcers just mentioned the Braves’ one-run road loss streak.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

KC when your best players are sitting on the bench for a while, it’s going to catch up to you.

And when your other best player is catching every freakin’ day, it’s going to catch up to you! (Or catch up to him, or something…)

7 complete games off in the first half? You gotta be kiddin’ me…Tomorrow’s stinkin’ day off better do some good! (Fat lotta good Thursday’s off-day did him, eh? 1-4…at least they won on Friday…)

kirknga—

Thanks. Yeah, I cann be a sore loser if I wanna be.

By FloridaBrave

June 29, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Chipper’s my favorite player so it really pains me to see him injured all the time.

So much for him playing 150 games this season…I’m just so frustrated.

If Tex walks we need at least one middle of the order bat to replace him because we can’t count on Chipper to play more than 130 or so games, and it pains me to say it.

Anyways, another gem from our trio of young guns. We just can’t hit…

I was looking forward to Tuesday as the start of a “new season” with Chipper, Escobar, and Kotsay being back but without Chipper, I’m not really optimistic about the Braves salvaging their season.

By BravesFan79

June 29, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

We had a football coach take over our highschool soccer program when i was a junior in hs….and he was TERRIBLE!

Didnt know anything about soccer and had us doing stupid football drills in practice. I guess football players shouldnt be the only ones i consider a little slow. Just look at all the fools playing college and pro football. Not the brightest crayons in the box.

BTW…NO other sports athletes are in good of running shape as soccer and cross country.

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI)

June 29, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Damn DOB, you’re breakin my heart. All that waiting and still gonna have to go on the dl. And I have plans to go to every game thru the 6th. Does that mean he’s out of the ASG? Will he still go if he’s unable to play? I would think it would be a big honor just to be voted in and go whether you can play or not.

By Harpie

June 29, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

This team stinks, and Francoeur is putrid.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Run Heap, he’d be out until the San Diego series before the break. But he’s also already accepted that he might not be able to play in the All-Star Game. They’d just have to wait and see how he feels in a couple weeks. If he’s fully recovered, then yeah, I’d think he’d go, sure. Just too early to tell.

By northbeach Scott

June 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

In anticipation of Chipper going on the DL and the season, truly becoming out of reach, I have placed all of my remaining season tickets for sale on Stub Hub.

Suspect others may have as well as ticket prices have dropped. If any of the denizens want to see any Braves games this season, check it out for some deals. My seat is 3 rows from the field behind Chipper in Section 118L. The Sunday seats are now down to $29.99 to be next to the visitors dugout. You can actually look into it from the seats.

The Braves may be making some deals, but look for them to be sellers with Chipper out until the All-Star break.

By Braves never win on the road

June 29, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

The Braves been done weeks ago when Kelly dropped that pop up in that Philly game .Chipper on the dl go figure don’t see that 150 games he talked about happen this year LOL

By Carolina Matt

June 29, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Man, it would be awesome to sweep the Phillies and get back on track, wouldn’t? Here’s hoping…

And wouldn’t it be nice if the U.S. could throw a quick embargo up on the Dominican Republic so that we could leave Soriano there without having to pay him for his service (or lack thereof)?

By ryan

June 29, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

fire cox new policy no play no pay

By Braves never win on the road

June 29, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Chipper and the rest of baseball players are soft it would kill them to have to work a real job like all of us non millonares.

By rupert

June 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

kotsay comes off dl tom. move should be to send francouer down, have man to man talk with him, put kotsay in center, blanco in right, jones in left, platton him with infante when he comes back and diaz when he comes back until hopefully a move is made for bay or nady or ibanez, maybe frenchy will figure something out, but let him work his sutff out where it doesn’t cost the team, he lost all his confidence, he’s not squaring anything up, its as much a move for him as for the team, give the kid a breather down there, he’ll come back up end of july and hopefully be like an aquisition, you just have to wonder when cox and wren are going to wake up on him, i know there have been injuries, but that doesn’t mean you keep throwing a kid out there like that, long term it be much better for him to go down, suck it up, play p** off and show everyone when he comes back

(also lil bridge is a lil to much of a light hitter to be playing everyday, defense is pretty good though)

By bravos2249

June 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

DOB

If Chipper had PH yesterday would he still be considered for the DL?

By Braves never win on the road

June 29, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Matt stop sniffin glue brain cells are inportant.No way the braves sweep the philly

By bravos2249

June 29, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

DOB

If Chipper had PH yesterday would he still be considered for the DL?

and also if only 1 out of the 3 can play wouldn’t it be best to not DL and the other not able to play since Chipper can hit opposed to Escobar’s shoulder and Omar’s hammy?

By Andy

June 29, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

We had a .202 hitter(Norton), one hitting .239(Francine), one at .136(Lillibridge, and one and one at .203(Gotay), in the lineup today. Three big leaguers total(Tex, KJ, MAC). Shouldn’t expect to win with that kind of lineup. Very disappointing.

Any one of the guys in the rotation should be able to go over and choke any of the guys above, along with Acosta. Pathetic!!!

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2009)

June 29, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Alright, I’ll drop the bomb. Atlanta has 40 quality starts and 40 wins. That alone tells me everything I need to know about this 2008 squad.

Atlanta is 12-17 versus left handed pitching, they cannot beat lefty’s.

The Braves are 4 and 21 in one run games. Which means they cannot bunt, run, steal bases or play small ball.

This 2008 squad is 16-16 in divisional play. Five hundred baseball won’t get it done.

88 is the magic number, no team has ever won the wild card with anything less. The Phillies are on pace to finish first in the division with 88 wins.

Atlanta is currently 40-43 (.481) They would have to finish at least 48-31 (.607) to have any prayer at sniffing the playoffs.

The Braves have not played .600 baseball since 2003. Read between the lines people. The remaining 79 games are nothing more than an exercise in futility.

Then of course, we have the Cox factor, as in: the joke is on us !

It all adds up to zip, as in dead, finished, stick a fork in this team, they are done. Bye bye, see ya in 2009 !

Anybody who tries to tell you anything different is a damn fool.

By MAV

June 29, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

You know it’s one thing to say for people to send Frenchy down and play B. Jones in right a little. But B. Jones is stinking it up just as much as he is. His average continuues to drop everyday. And overall Blanco isn’t that good either.

By JEB

June 29, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Chipper is proof that just one more good bat in a line up makes a BIG difference!

Lil’bridge is the 2nd return of Raphael Bellard. Good defence, weak bat.

By bravos2249

June 29, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

I think after todays game all you guys would’ve realized Chipper wouldn’t play 150 considering this is the 12th game he’s missed and to tell you the truth should a guy 36 have to play 150 games? It’d be nice but it’d be easier if he had off days at the beginning of the season. His first official off day was in June, he’s almost 40…explain to me why that happened…yes he did miss 1 or 2 every so often for nicks but that’s because he never got an off day because quite frankly the team su.cks and thus he’s expected to play everyday like a 26 yr old and he’s not…and that’s why he continuously goes on the DL IMO.

By Carolina Matt

June 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Braves never win on the road,

haha, if only I could kill enough brain cells the Braves would stop driving me crazy…

By Greg in TN

June 29, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Afternoon folks…

Lose an Andruw, gain an Andruw. How prophetic have those words from spring training from Chipper been this year? Just a brutal at bat from Francoeur in the 7th with the grounder to third and that’s the reason why this team has underachieved thus far into the 2008 season. It’s the little things, friends and neighbors, that mean the difference in close games. And it’s the little things that keep getting missed.

BMac’s starting to show the wear and tear of a busy first half. A few passed balls this series and a bad day at the plate. He needs this day off tomorrow something fierce, obviously.

Reyes pitched fantastic today, however he’s having to pitch to a fine line with an offense struggling to hit AJ Burnett’s hook and heater combo.

June is winding up, thankfully, and it has been yet another forgetful month for Planet Braves.

By Mr. Optimistic

June 29, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

i agree these players are soft. please let them have the greenies. at least there wasnt a rash of injuries back in the juice day. if they DL chipper now he would have 4 weeks to “heal” til after the break. he could even miss a week after because they start back with was at home. it just amazes me he hits .400 he good to hit. once he goes under now he all of a sudden “cant”. soft a jello pudding.francour needs to find a big OL’ slump buster in hotlanta and knock it out the park if ya kno what i mean cuz he is god awful!!!!!!! and boy those kids looked overmatched bad today. looked like it was the first time theve seen 96 before. but with all taht said “IF” a huge if but if they can get everybody back they have a good lineup that can score enough to win some game and with the pitching they can win the East. as fans we just have to hope they dont get put to rest in the division by the break by the Mutts or phils

By Interested Observer

June 29, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

DOB: Any idea who they would replace Chipper with if he was DL’d? Is Prado ready to come back yet?

By BA

June 29, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

Was that 5:46 post from the ghost of Ben the Bunnyman?

By JEB

June 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Ok Coach Since you are calling the whole season over - GOODBYE!! See YOU next year!

As long as they are playing baseball - I’m watching the Braves! I love Baseball!

By 11-16 in June

June 29, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Unacceptable.

Once Kotsay comes back, the Braves need to platoon Jones and Francoeur. Play Blanco in left field, Kotsay in center. If Infante is well enough to play, then get him in there at 3rd. If not, DL him and bring up Prado. Escobar better be in there on Tuesday.

By JAB

June 29, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

As long as they are makin’ dog food - I’m eatin’ it. I love crap!

By Chop Chop

June 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

I’ve given up on the Braves plenty of times. Whoop-dee-do. I’m still a fan and still hope they’ll shock me, but I ain’t gonna worry my head about it.

By JEB

June 29, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

Interested Observer

Not answering for DOB, but Kotsay is on his way back to Atlanta. If Chipper is DL’d - it will be Kotsay that is brought back on.

By Interested Observer

June 29, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

I couldn’t help but look…Brayan Pena is hitting .319 in 47 ABs with Omaha. Even has 2 SBs. How nice would it have been for this series to have a back-up catcher that could hit a little, run a little, and help out at 1B, 3B, and LF in a pinch?

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

Greg in TN He needs this day off tomorrow something fierce, obviously.

How true! Not a good day at all for 3BMac today. (At least no one tried to steal…)

I can’t believe all the DGANG he’s started lately. I know the Corkster doesn’t hit, but neither did McCann in this series. He went 2-12 (.167) in these three games (though he did have an RBI double). And, no offense (literally), but what difference would it have made today?

Interested Observer How nice would it have been for this series to have a back-up catcher that could…run a little

We’ve got a backup catcher who cann run! Did you not hear about the big race? : >

By Wayne in Utah

June 29, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Every year, every team suffers through various injuries, and players having great/terrible years. We are no different, except that the injuries seem to be so prevalent this year.

Somebody with a lot more time on their hands has probably looked up all the lost time we have had….. Chipper, Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton, James, Soriano, Gonzo, Moylan, Kotsay, Diaz, Escobar, KJ, the list goes on and on.

To think we are still close, is nothing short of a miracle.

Do we trade away prospects to try to salvage a season where we seemingly are snake bitten? I personally would love to see us ride it out… good or bad, and give some more of the youngsters a shot.

I personally don’t think that putting Schafer in would hurt his psyche or anything like that.

About the only real major hole we have is at third when Chipper is out (not to mention the black hole in right field). But, is there anyone out there that could help??

What are the splits away from Coors field for Jeff Baker??? He can play all 4 corners. Just thinking out loud.

Oh well, let’s hope that JoJo has some better luck next time out. Dude deserved a W.

By CONNECTICUT BRAVES FAN

June 29, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

Don’t send Frenchy to Richmond, send him to Rookie League. He is that bad. What is Cox thinking putting him in the lineup everyday? Put Campillo in right field, he would be better. Or activate himself, he has been seen trying on different gloves. I’m sure he could play better than he can manage. Fire Pendelton too, he is a lousy hitting coach. Hire Francouer to take his place. They all stink.

By Jeff

June 29, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

I’ll say it again.. Until Liberty media and its owners start to care about this ball club. When Frank Wren is Fired for running this Team into the ground,and for bobby cox to finally get out of the dugout. This Team will SUCK and not even come close to making it to the Post Season.. its time for a new manager, a GM who Knows what he is doing. and for owners who actually care. Braves fan for life but this year is such a joke.. I feel bad for all you season ticket holders who spent your precious money to watch this pathetic so called baseball team play and lay one stink bomb after another.

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI)

June 29, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

Greg in TN I know most here won’t agree with me but I’d rather have the real Andruw than then one he left behind. I’ll take streaky over just plain can’t hitty any day.

By Run Heap Run (R.I.P. Uga VI)

June 29, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

Oops..forgot to say, thanks for the info, DOB.

By JABberwock

June 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

‘Twas Chipper and his slithy toes

Did throb and flivver on the bench:

All nonesy were the semipros,

who flailed and reeked of stench.

“Beware the Corkywock, my son!

The feet of lead, the hands that catch!

Beware the lillibridge, and shun

The frumious Brandonsnatch!”

By kirknga

June 29, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

It really looks as if people are taking their disappointment and running with it!

I’m not one to say we’re going to make the playoffs this year, but I’m not going to act like all I see out on the field is talentless trash either.

Where were you people before the Braves were winners? I can tell you that even with the heartbreak that is this season it still much better than those days.

We have seen worse…much worse than we’re seeing now.

By Jeff321

June 29, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

McFann© Losing 1-0 is better than 6-0? Why? A loss is a loss…

Because losing 1-0 means the pitching did very well. And we already know the offense is very paltry most of the time. So, that’s to be expected.

By KC

June 29, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

Jeff: “When Frank Wren is Fired for running this Team into the ground”

You’re either just griping for the sake of griping (not entirely believing your own rantings)… or you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Frank Wren has made a grand total of one major trade since taking over as GM prior to last winter…

That trade send an aging shortstop, Renteria, (who is not having a good season) to Detroit for a 22 year-old pitcher (Jurrjens) who is 8-3 with a 2.94 ERA that ranks him top-5 in the NL…

AND, in addition to Jurrjens, Wren managed to get another highly touted prospect in G.Hernanez, who has been invited to play in the futures game at Yankee Stadium during the all-star break.

Wrens first major trade as Braves GM is looking like it could be the best trade this franchise has made in many, many years… possibly since the trade for Fred McGriff.

Wren isn’t responsible for losing 3 starters and our 2 best relievers to injury, nor is he responsible for all the position players on the shelf right now.

If it weren’t for the Renteria/Jurrjens trade, we would be at least 10 games out in the east right now.

So Jeff, what the hell are you talking about bro?

By monty

June 29, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

THis could be the year that a sub .500 team wins the East. It could and I stress “could” be the Braves just as easily as anybody else. Although they would have to have a healthy Chipper, Escobar, and I believe Kotsay back to somewhere near where he was before he got hurt. Anyone of those guys out and it’s over. RIght now that seems like a tall order. As of today we are basically trying to beat teams starting 4 minor league position players. Not gonna happen!

By TPM

June 29, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

I really thought Chipper was turning the corner and was going to play 150 games this year. He can’t seem to avoid these tendon problems. Then again - It is common knowledge that quadriceps injuries are often caused by anabolic steroid use.

By chipdip

June 29, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

THE BRAVES BLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By BravesFan79

June 29, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

TPM: I tore my quad playing college soccer when i was 19 as a 160 pound player. I guess i must of been on roids 2. I mean seriously…do you see ANY similarities in Bonds, Sosa, and Chipper? I dont remember Chipper ever suddenly packing on alot of muscle during a offseason!

Perhaps if we had a manager that knew how to take out his star players once a game had already been decided (especially ones known for injury!) We wouldnt be in this situation this year! After all it was in a blowout that Chipper got hurt again. Always seems to happen that way.

By Jeff

June 29, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

that is the onlyy trade he actuallyyy made worth it… i love jair and yet to see what Gorkys can do.. should of mentioned that. my bad. but the other trades and waiver pickups have produced what..absolutely nothing. dont forget wren was fired by the Orioles after totally ruining that team.. not much more to say.A GM would use his farm system properly.He hasnt worth a lick..example the Anderson trade..Not even playing for the Braves..

By Greg in TN

June 29, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

McFann: It’s a tough position to be in with Chipper and Escobar hurting. I believe had Chipper been able to at least DH, BMac could have sat today.

Run Heap Run: I don’t know if I agree, but I understand where you’re coming from.

By Bill

June 29, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Jeff—- I agree until this team is sold and a change of the manager, this team is only going to be a 500 club. I would keep Wren and give him a chance. Cox has had his day in the sun. He’s been there to long. I like Cox but he should retire.

By SoWeGa Fanatic

June 29, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

“Then again - It is common knowledge that quadriceps injuries are often caused by anabolic steroid use.” Not according to my medical books. They also tell me a quadriceps injurie isn’t a tendon issue - Stupid.

By BravesFan79

June 29, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

JEB: I dissagree… Lillibridge could be a very good MLB player if given a few more years in the minors. No reason he should be on the team right now.

“Interested Observer: I couldn’t help but look…Brayan Pena is hitting .319 in 47 ABs with Omaha. Even has 2 SBs”

Dude that makes me sick to my stomach. I called it when it happened…that keeping Corky and letting Pena go was as bad a move as putting a .200 hitting Woodcrap on the team over a .350 hitting Escobar coming out of spring training last year!
The Braves are not RICH enough to overcome these terrible roster moves by Cox anymore. Somethings gotta change.

By chipdip

June 29, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

We need our ace Mike Hampton back…then everything will be alright…plus we have Gotay , Norton and Miller who really put the fear in opposing teams and a red hot francouer to boot. Reminds me of “MURDERS ROW” of the 1920’s.

By h_charles

June 29, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

Actually, Braves Fav79, Chipper WAS noticably bigger several years ago.

Go look at the pics. Check him out when Giles was thriving (a long rumored roid head).
Chipper was WAY more muscular.

Not saying he was or wasn’t on roids, but this team fielded several players where roids have been mentioned from that era (Javy, Giles, Klesko, etc.)

All three had great power, then seemed to amazingly lose their prowess very quickly right around the time the roid purge hit MLB.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Chipper was roiding for a while — many were, and his upper body defintely looked the part.

Regardless, even if he did, that doesn’t mean Chipper wouldn’t still be hurt. Perhaps roids helped him stay healthy — he wasn’t fragile on when on them (if he was).

Griffey pulls hammys when the wind blows, and he is pretty clean. Chipper is who he is. Great hitter, body of a 45 year old.

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Chipper Jones going on the DL—How Utterly Shocking!!!!!!!!

Right up there with GM probably working on a larger version of the Hummer, Country Wide Mortgage trying to expand the sub prime market, realtors in South Florida predicting an “imminent turn around”, Mark Texciera fretting about how “it is all about the next 5 generations of my family never having to get off their butts as long as they live as long as Scotty can get some morons to get me a nice long term deal”, some group of recruiting freaks already to follow around some high school males running around in shorts with no shirts and taking pictures—anyone else think that is bizarre??, and people without the proverbial pot to urinate in and with an upside down mortgage worrying about the Braves pulling off a trade to stay in contention. Unbelievable!!!!!!!

Well, I just spent a nice weekend in Savannah at the Westin and nobody seemed to give a damn about the Atlanta Braves scoring troubles—They probably all had lives.

By bravos2249

June 29, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

Wren also traded for Infante (awesome bench guy) and Ohman

and TPM get back to me when using steroids means hitting under 30 homers a year?

also Chipper never gets recognized for anything…I mean he got 100 hits this season last Wednesday right? well Ichiro got his 100th hit today…like boo hoo…that’s expected…even if Chipper’s not at .400 who expected him to have 100 hits already…not me. Especially when he only had 173 last season.

And typically almost every player in the NL Chipper’s age played around 130 games and Chipper played 134.

And really 35+ 130-14/162 is what you should ask for any more is a blessing.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

Greg in TN—

I getcha. Unfortunately it didn’t pay off today.

Jeff321—

I guess that makes sense…But I hate it when they can’t help out a great pitching performance.

By Ned

June 29, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

Same OLD $H!&!..just DIFFERENT YEAR…Put a fork on this 2008 Atlanta Braves…Chipper said it himself…Without Smoltz its going to get pretty difficult to win the division…NOW IMAGINE BOTH OUT for an extended period of time!!…Im just saying be prepared fellow Braves fans..they say chipper will be ready to go in the series against San Diego…i bet Chipper will be ready(100 percent) 2 WEEKS AFTER THE ALL STAR GAME!!!

By BravesFanInRockies

June 29, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

KC,

The jury is out on Wren. He made one incredible trade with Detroit. He also made a nice deal to obtain Ohman and Infante from the Cubs.

But he’s responsible for the entire composition of the roster. He decided to gamble with a CF who was coming off a major injury and to rely on two 40+ y.o. starters, another starter who hadn’t pitched in two years because of injuries and a third with a tender shoulder.

Pretty much everything bad that could go wrong with this bunch has. Still it was always a major gamble to depend so much on pleyers who were either older, delicate or both.

We’ll have a better idea of Wren’s skills in the next 6 weeks to 8 months.

Had older/rehabbing players stayed healthy, he’d be considered a genius. They didn’t, which makes the decision to bank on so many of them subject to questioning.

By New World Order

June 29, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

Support the Braves all you want, but realize that you just may be supporting an insidious organization that is inimical to the American way of life and wishes to undermine everything you hold dear.

By KC

June 29, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

Jeff: Wren was not fired from the Orioles “after totally ruining the team”.

In the very brief opportunity he was given as GM in Baltimore, he was told by the owner, Peter Angelos, to go out and spend, and try to win “now”.

He did what he was asked, and a couple of the big signings (most notably, Albert Belle) didn’t work out, and he was criticized by Angelos for it.

But the real reason he was fired was that Peter Angelos simply didn’t like him, and Wren pis$ed him off when he wouldn’t hold a charter flight for Cal Ripken when he was running late, forcing Ripken to fly commercial to catch up with the team.

Anyway, let’s just say you’re right. Let’s say he was awful in his first go in the GM’s chair.

Keep in mind, that was 10 years ago. Smart people learn from their mistakes, and since then, he’s spent years studying under John Schuerholz, and learning the Braves approach to building a winning team.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t the philosophy always been pitching first?

And don’t the Braves have the best ERA in the league despite losing Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton, soriano, and Moylan?

The lineup we have here (when everyone’s on the field) is almost exactly the same one the Braves featured in August and September of last year, when they wore out opposing pitchers.

As for Josh Anderson… dude, we gave up only Oscar Villarreal to get him. Villarreal is 1-2 with a 4.66 ERA this year. And Anderson hasn’t even been given a chance, so we don’t know yet whether or not we got anything of substance in that trade. But if we don’t, it doesn’t matter because we didn’t give up anything.

What did Wren do wrong this winter? Or what didn’t he do that he should have?

Seriously Jeff, tell us what he should have done. Be specific. I’m interested to hear your thoughts on exactly where he went wrong.

By AJ 25

June 29, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

It’s time to put 10, 29 and 47 on the wall and say good-bye to these three broken down players who are eating up precious salary.

How much longer will we have to watch Frenchy have clown at bars time after time. Maybe when Kotsay comes back tne Donkey will put him on the bench where he belongs.

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

Dear bsj, I couldn’t tell if you were being facetious about your earlier post saying “I really believe Hampton will be a factor in the 2nd half”——The only factor Hampton will have in anything involving Major League Baseball is if he puts together a seminar with Scott Boras predicated along the lines of “You Don’t Have To Excel, You Don’t have To Perform, Hell you Don’t Even Have To Pitch An Inning For Years To Keep On Getting Paid”

Mike Hampton and Ryan Leaf have been able to successfully corrupt the American Work Ethic to such epic proportions that they should be tenured as full professors at every major business school in America from Wharton to the University of Chicago and all those in between. They have come up with a system that isn’t Socialism or Capitalism. Rather it is a hybrid form of Production and Reward Theory that has successfully delineated the Production and left the Reward. truly Genius!!!

By SoWeGa Fanatic

June 29, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

I wish all you quitters who say the season is lost would go hibernate somewhere until 2009. Yeah, like Shea Stadium.

By warren

June 29, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

the braves offense is ugly right now, cant score runs, no one is doing anything with the exception of tex, bmac, and as of lately glanco. the need some offense!! they get no prodution from their outfield, worst in the league! they need to make a trade jeff francour! i would say after 80 games and still no sign of him coming out of this issue( i wouldnt call it a slump, they dont last that long.) their is a issue with him, he still looks lost, and his total game is affected. im a big frenchy fan, but i think a change of scenery is in order. his avg. dropped to below 240 today! the indians have a boatload of outfielders that can hit, good hitters. make a trade for ben franscico, either that or call up josh anderson and send down frenchy. im sorry if others are thinking this would be wrong. but a guy that has speed, good arm, and can make some things happen with his bat is better than a guy that isnt hitting, is a average outfielder with a great arm, and cant seem to get over whatever it is thats going through his head. trade frenchy and let him start anew with a another team. if the braves want to get closer in the division, they bneed offense, and that would be a great place to start.

By warren

June 29, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

the braves offense is ugly right now, cant score runs, no one is doing anything with the exception of tex, bmac, and as of lately glanco. the need some offense!! they get no prodution from their outfield, worst in the league! they need to make a trade jeff francour! i would say after 80 games and still no sign of him coming out of this issue( i wouldnt call it a slump, they dont last that long.) their is a issue with him, he still looks lost, and his total game is affected. im a big frenchy fan, but i think a change of scenery is in order. his avg. dropped to below 240 today! the indians have a boatload of outfielders that can hit, good hitters. make a trade for ben franscico, either that or call up josh anderson and send down frenchy. im sorry if others are thinking this would be wrong. but a guy that has speed, good arm, and can make some things happen with his bat is better than a guy that isnt hitting, is a average outfielder with a great arm, and cant seem to get over whatever it is thats going through his head. trade frenchy and let him start anew with a another team. if the braves want to get closer in the division, they bneed offense, and that would be a great place to start.

By bravos2249

June 29, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

BravesFan79

I know what you mean about the blowout…the play he said he hurt it on was before they got a ton of those runs but any intelligent person could see Chipper leaning on the trainer in the dugout and would’ve pulled him…it could’ve saved him days of playing your right…also he had to jump in the field for some cut off throws from RF after the injury and that probably didn’t help…but nonetheless when a guy looks like he did after he scored he should be taken out IMO…IDK how I feel about DL’ing him because he can hit and he said quick jolting movement doesn’t hurt him just running…and that .394 on the bench is better than any other option IMO…yeah you’d have to pr for him but you could use Jair when he doesn’t start and when Kotsay comes back we have the Jones/Blanco who can come in then play LF.

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

Dear New World Order, Just remember when Lenin said “Religion Is The Opiate of the Masses”. The little man got it wrong as everyone knows “Sports Are The Opiate of the Masses”—What else can distract a moron who has seen 32% of his or her 401(K) plan disappear, seen the value of home decrease in value impacting balance sheet, even worse be in an upside down mortgage, have credit card debt, even see Cobb County CC as being unaffordable for little Jimmy or Jenny, have job being threatened by downsizing, outsourcing, credit crunching AND YET through all that the concern about the MIGHTY TEX being signed long term is enough to provide a vicarious and life sustaining thrill as happiness drifts down if the Mighty Tex is able to get 78 Million for next few years.

Thank Goodness for pro and collegiage big time sports or we might need some of those militias referenced so often.

All Together Let’s do the Braves’ Chant—Na NA NA Na NANNAH NA

By Wayne in Utah

June 29, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

KC As near as I can tell, tonight is the “night of the flaming idiots” on the blog. Can’t reason with them, cause all they want to do is rant.

It is total idiocy that has caused me to severly limit my time on the blog. I do miss conversing with my old friends, but there is just to much of the BS.

Are we having a bad year, hell yes. Is it BC and FW’s fault. Are all the players the worst players of all time? Nah……

By BA

June 29, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

Dear Lou Vales: your old azz is proof that only the good die young. Do us all a favor and go steer that hover round into oncoming traffic.

By BA

June 29, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

Tonight this blog is a real testament to Georgia educators. Great JOB!

By Run Heap Run

June 29, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

Win or lose, first or last, I enjoy this blog and DOB’s insight and info and have posted comments for years (under the forgettable name blake..back before I got creative lol). I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t and I’m not sure why some people bother. To each his own, I reckon.

By Greg in TN

June 29, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

Ummmm, okay, I’ll bite.

Frank Wren inherited a Baltimore team from Pat Gillick that went 79-83 in 1998 and then Peter Angelos fired him after a contentious season that saw the O’s go 78-84.

Seems to me Angelos has more to do with the Orioles underachieving than Frank Wren.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Wayne I do miss conversing with my old friends

We miss you, too, Wayne.

By BA

June 29, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

Phillys lose! Too bad the season’s been called.

By bravos2249

June 29, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

actually I think Wren’s job now is a step down from last year cause he had JS’ job before….but one thing that’s overlooked since JS isn’t GM anymore is why wasn’t Andruw’s contract dealt up with an option year cause that cost us some early draft choices…granted I don’t think the Dodgers picked THAT high but still not too smart of a move

By KC

June 29, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies: Sure, the jury’s still out, but the fact is that so far, so good.

“He decided to gamble with a CF who was coming off a major injury”

Ya know, coming into the season, Jordan Schaefer was one of the most highly touted prospects to come through the system in a long time - on par with Francoeur and Chipper when they were coming up. And most people felt he was probably ready THIS year, but just to be on the safe side, they wanted to leave him in the oven a little longer… so they needed a stop-gap.

After consulting with scouts and coaches, and looking pretty exhaustively at Kotsay’s medical reports, Wren pulled the trigger on the Kotsay deal.

Kotsay is a quality veteran player who would meed the Braves need for a defensive-minded center-fielder that could also handle bat. He had only 1 year remaining on his deal, and would be very low cost (with Oakland picking up most of his salary). So he was a perfect fit.

While the Kotsay deal was being discussed, Wren dealt for another center-fielder, Josh Anderson, to give them added depth.

Then of course, the HGH thing happened with Schaefer, taking him out of the equation this season (or at least for most of it) as a big league option. Kotsay later landed on the DL, and for whatever reason, BC just doesn’t seem all that high on Anderson and hasn’t really given him a chance. So that’s how we arrived at Blanco being the everyday starter right now, but I wouldn’t fault Wren for that.

Between Kotsay, Schaefer, and Anderson, Wren had every reason to believe we were set there.

“and to rely on two 40+ y.o. starters, another starter who hadn’t pitched in two years because of injuries and a third with a tender shoulder.”

Smotlz and Glavine had both pitched right at or better than 200 innings in each of the last 3 seasons. Glavine had NEVER been on the DL before. And when you look at a guy like Jamie Moyer (who is about 5 years older)… no reason to think Glavine didn’t have some good innings left.

And the Braves came into the season with no fewer than 8 starters they were pretty comfortable with Hudson, Smoltz, Glavine, Jurrjens, Reyes, James, Bennett, and Hampton. So it’s inaccurate to insinuate that Wren gambled everything on a couple 40-year-old arms and Hampton.

Pretty remarkable to have all the injuries they have and still have the league’s best ERA, while remaining in the race. So far so good for Wren.

By THB

June 29, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Frank Wren’s Acquisitions:

1.Edgar Renteria to Tigers for Jair Jurrjens and Gorkys Hernandez.

Jair Jurrjens has been the most consistent pitcher on our staff. Best trade of the entire offseason. Better than the Volquez-Hamilton trade in the fact that we got a lot more than we gave up. Sure, the Reds got an ace but gave up a possible triple-crown winner. Rangers got the triple-crown winner but lost a young staff ace. Plus, we also got a future star in Gorkys who will be one of our top 4 prospects next year and a top 50 in MiLB. Grade: A+

1. Tom Glavine signing

Not much to say. Looked like a decent signing. Definetely looked like the typical Braves, signing what they can for cheap. I expected a healthy Glavine with a high 3’s ERA. But the fact is Tommy is on the DL for an extended period. Grade: C

1. Oscar Villareal to Astros for Josh Anderson

Not a bad trade. Anderson has been solid in AAA, and has done fairly well in his short time in the bigs. I don’t think he has a place on the team, but not a bad move considering Villareal is struggling. Grade: B-

1. Joey Devine and Jamie Richmond to Athletics for Kotsay.

Barring a Kotsay injury, this would have been a solid trade. The the fact is, Kotsay was coming off of a back surgery and was definetely vulnerable. Yet another example of the Braves valuing money over value. Braves aren’t paying much for Kotsay. I’m not saying Devine had a place here, but he could have been used better in a different trade. Sure wish we snagged Randy Winn instead, huh? Grade: C

1. Signing Rafael Soriano to a 2 year, 9 million deal.

Worst signing he could have made. Guess he figured we should lock him up not before his stock soars? Turns out ignoring his elbow problems was a huge mistake. My bet is he has season ending surgery. Grade: D

1. Ascanio to Cubs for Infante and Ohman.

Infante has been a pleasant surprise and extremely versatile, while Ohman has been our most consistent reliever much of the year. Second best trade only to the Jair trade. Grade: A

Overall, Wren has done a decent job. Has improved our bench, helped the bullpen, significantly improved our rotation, but failed to adress the offense. Tough to critcize him for that since we had a lineup of KJ, Escobar, Chipper, Tex, Mac, and Frenchy. It isn’t his fault Frenchy has been awful or that Tex started slow. I guess we’ll learn for next year that we need to plan for Chipper being out and not trade for injury riddled players.

By brent a.

June 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Frank Wren was essentially forced by Angelos to sign Albert Belle, a player whom Wren describes as “not being on his radar.”

Angelos wanted Wren to sign Albert Belle, to keep him away from the Yankees.

Wren knew right then that he was in trouble.

IIRC, the Yankees ended up signing Bernie Williams instead.

By KC

June 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Wayne In Utah: Yes, the ranting does seem a bit free from reason tonight. =)

By KC

June 29, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

BA: Nicely put!

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Dear Ba, I’m only 60—That’s young by today standards, and I certainly have never wanted nor felt the need to idolize and live and die by the exploits of people who probably wouldn’t give me or YOU the time of day or maybe even call either one of us an ambulance if we had been hit by a truck. So you SNIFF away at that prototypical piece of equipment my good friend, but don’t really worry where I steer anything as long as you have your Larry ‘Chipper” Jones doll to play with all should be well.

Maybe say a prayer tonight that Tex gets his money so his “extended” family will be alright. I’ll give a damn about the millions of Americans and others around the world in severe trouble who don’t know mike Hampton’s chest muscle from Chipper’s quad.

By Greg in TN

June 29, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Looks like KC got in a better written response on FW than I did. Kudos KC.

Meant to mention this before, but Quack Quack’s 3:53 post this morning also captures my thoughts very nicely.

And Wayne, it’s always good to see you in these parts.

By A-ville Ranger

June 29, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

I do understand the fact of injuries to many of our best pitchers.The thing is the Braves, as pointed out by DOB, have the lowest era in the NL.Today a shutout may not have been good enough to win.Yes the line up was depleted today,but it was McCann who had the most critical at bat.

It just doesn’t seem to matter WHAT is needed or WHO the player is in those critical points in these close games.They will fail to do whatever that thing is when it matters most.

By brent a.

June 29, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

A-ville Ranger,

I hear you on the Bobby Cox/Tom Landry comparisons.

One just absolutely cannot just sit back and spout the resume of an elderly man as evidence that he should keep his job forever.

I noted earlier this year that even John Wooden made the wise decision to announce his retirement before the 1975 NCAA championship game. He won, and walked away on top. The man’s not dead yet, do you think UCLA should hire him back? Maybe Pepperdine.

I honestly believe that all those division titles (with only one world series) is what kept bringing Bobby back year-after-year. He had to be thinking to himself that “I’ll get ‘em next year”, but sadly, the next year would come, and another play-off loss would mount.

The Braves appeared to be “losing it” at the beginnig of this decade, but after springing back to life in ‘02 and ‘03, there was good reason to believe that they might just have another title in them.

But, after losing to the Astros in 2004, it seemed to me like something major needed to change. All we got was Smoltz back in the rotation (and lo and behold, he got us our only post-season victory that year). But almost four full years later, here we sit with an average team, and an aging manager.

By Sunshine Band

June 29, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

Hey, where’s our leader?

Out blogging and blogging and blogging.

By Mike R

June 29, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

Too bad the Braves don’t have a vetern to call Chipper on the carpet for quitting on the team. Smoltz did it last year and Chipper started playing. Players that care about winning don’t lay down with buised hands or pulled quads. I’ve followed baseball since the mid 60’s. Ripken, Frank Robinson, Willie Mays, Henry Aaron, Bob Gibson would all be on the field. Read back into BB history, see how little time those guys in the 40’s and 50’s spent on the DL. By the time he comes back the Braves will be hopeless out of it. Then he will finish out the year and say “hey look at the great numbers I put up.” Everyone will forget that, just like last year, he laid down when they were still in the race.

By Wayne in Utah

June 29, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

Company is over…gotta run. Nite friends.

By brent a.

June 29, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

It just doesn’t seem to matter WHAT is needed or WHO the player is in those critical points in these close games.They will fail to do whatever that thing is when it matters most.

A statement that men like Rob Neyer will never understand.

By braves-fan in pittsburgh

June 29, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

long time reader, first time poster.

uga-brave and bravesdave are right.

francoeur is a diaster. the braves dont lose these one run games if the annoited right fielder is worth a darn.

sorry for all you local gwinett county types, pretty good chance parkrview boy is not gonna be a major leaguer for long.

i read all the vitrol that you all wined about #25 last year. francouer could not carry andruw’s jock.

brave’s fans are witness to probably the most overated braves player of all time.

since he has been here the braves have not won.

he his hitting .207 this month. he has ZERO power and does not walk.

great job SUPERSTAR.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

A-Ville Ranger Yes the line up was depleted today,but it was McCann who had the most critical at bat.

Nobody cann deny that. We know it: That stupid strikeout cost us the game…

And McCann knows it, too. “We had opportunities, and it seemed like every time they came around, I was the guy at the plate,” McCann said. “Obviously I didn’t come through one time.” (Or two…or three…)

Hey, but kudos for the dude for taking the blame. I can’t stand it when someone has a rotten day like that and doesn’t say anything. And it’s always those same guys who come out and talk when they have a great day.

By BA

June 29, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

60 is not young, Vales. Don’t you hear that ticking sound? Go clean out your colostome bag and you’ll feel better. Your tired routine begs the question: WHY are you on this blog if you’re so above it? Isn’t there a “old but still babbling incoherently” blog somewhere? A “bedsores are killing me” blog? That’s it, Lou…keep buzzing towards the on ramp…

By Bravesfan79

June 29, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

Whats with all the idiots on here talking about Chipper has no heart….ect… The REAL problem is that Cox dosent know how to take players out of games when the games a blowout. And REALLY sucks at managing a bullpen.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

BTW, A-Ville, how are the Wrens??

Night, Wayne!

braves-fan in pittsburgh—

Welcome aboard! I’m a local Gwinnett “type” (whatever that means, LOL) who lives in the Parkview district (I don’t go there, though)—but you don’t have to apologize to me! I don’t think it’s time to deem his career over, or close to being over…Someone’s bound to want him.

I don’t see him sticking with the Braves for the long term, but I’ve been wrong before.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 29, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this

KC,

Let me preface this by saying hindsight is always 20/20 and I openly concede that Wren has done well given the bad hand that injuries and age dealt him.

Why I say the jury’s still out is because we have to see how he handles a roster he largely inherited.

Wren did emphasize building depth in the rotation and the bullpen and the team has needed it.

I also mostly agree with THB’s grades on Wren’s deals.

The Glavine signing I consider incomplete. If he can come back by, say, Aug. 1 and help the team win, it’s probably a B. If not, then it’s a D or F. No one should have expected him to miss a considerable amount of time given his history, but then again, he’s over 40. Such a breakdown has to be considered a possibility. And while $8 million may seem like chump change for a reliable veteran starter, it’s still $8 million, or about 10 percent of the payroll.

Wren’s also responsible for the composition of the bench — Corky, Gotay, Norton. (OK, they’re better than Woodward and Orr, but still …)

Wren focused so much on building pitching depth that they wound up with a bench that’s maybe average. If your regulars are indestructible, no big deal. But if a couple of key guys have a history of missing time with injuries, then it’s hard to field a championship caliber club if the bench is suspect.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Braves lineup without Chipper is probably going to see a lot more of what they got today, with Teixeira getting pitched around now that he’s heated up. But most days, you gotta think Mac will fare better than he did today.

Still, Braves need to get contributions from Escobar and Kotsay right away if they want to win this series against the Phillies. They’ve got a bit of a break with Houston and the Dodgers on the schedule after that, then might have Chipper back for San Diego before the break. Even without Chipper, they should be able to compete with those teams in their current states, though you’ve got to believe the Phillies are due to break out of their mind-boggling funk….

Just ready this one from NED:

“…Put a fork on this 2008 Atlanta Braves…Chipper said it himself…Without Smoltz its going to get pretty difficult to win the division…NOW IMAGINE BOTH OUT for an extended period of time!!…Im just saying be prepared fellow Braves fans..they say chipper will be ready to go in the series against San Diego…i bet Chipper will be ready(100 percent) 2 WEEKS AFTER THE ALL STAR GAME!!!”Ned

I’d say it’d be at least “pretty difficult” to win the division with or without Smoltz. It’s always pretty difficult to win a division these days, any division.

But they’re actually closer to first place now than they were when Smoltzy was lost for the season (they’re four games out of first now, were 4.5 out three weeks ago) and Braves starters have pitched better in past few weeks than they have all season as a unit.

Oh, and no one said Chipper would be ready for San Diego. I wrote today that he’d be ELIGIBLE to come off the DL that day. Only you, Ned, have taken it upon yourself to suggest the proverbial “they” have said he’ll be ready that day.

Ned and others spewing utter nonsense tonight: Do you guys even pay attention at all to the other teams in the division? You know, the teams the Braves have to beat out to make it to the postseason? Are any of those teams world-beaters, in your view? Really?

What would you be saying about your team tonight if you were Phillies fans? They’ve got everyone in their lineup right now, and they don’t have a single hitter who’s batted .275 in June.

Folks, the Phillies have lost 9 of their last 11 games, including being swept at home by the Angels and losing two of three this weekend at Texas.

They have hit — are you ready for this? — .191 in their past 11 games, and scored two runs or fewer in seven of those games.

Pat Burrell is 6-for-38 (.158) with one homer and 14 strikeouts in 11 games.

Jimmy Rollins is 6-for-42 (.143) in 10 games and 23-for-106 (.217) in June.

Ryan Howard is 7-for-43 (.163) with one homer and 17 strikeouts in 11 games.

Now I know these guys will all hit, but seriously, what about that team leads you to believe they’re going to run away with the division?

Even the injury-ravaged Braves haven’t had an 11-game streak all season in which they lost nine games and hit under .200. And remember, Philly’s not been without key hitters in that stretch.

They have a team filled with streaky hitters, other than Utley (and he just went through a 1-for-29 that ended last week, so he’s not immune either).

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this

I would think Bobby’s really got to be thinking about not running Frenchy out there when Kotsay gets back.

Kotsay can play RF (it’s where he spent a good part of his career) and Blanco can stays in CF, or reverse them. Either way, Blanco’s hot now, he’s got to keep playing. He’s had four straight multi-hit games.

At the very least, gotta play Blanco in LF and keep him in lineup. But seriously, there’s never been a more obvious time for Frenchy to get some games on the bench.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

DOB But most days, you gotta think Mac will fare better than he did today.

Heck yeah!!

(That’s not sarcastic, BTW.)

They have hit — are you ready for this? — .191 in their past 11 games, and scored two runs or fewer in seven of those games.

Holy crud…I hope that doesn’t mean they’re due.

By McFann©

June 29, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

DOB I would think Bobby’s really got to be thinking about not running Frenchy out there when Kotsay gets back.

That would be something…

Well, I gotta run. This cloud over the Braves has a silver lining…

Night, all!!

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

BA, I just got a clean bill of health on the colonoscopy, and PSA is 1.3 with a great prostate.

I’m imploring you, I’m begging you—If you can go on the internet at 3:05 on Wednesday and go to espn1400am.com(The Spartanburg ESPN affiliate). I’ll be on from 3 to 6. I’m the guest co-host on Wednesdays and I’m going to rip your jock sniffed heroes a new one. Just for you, I’m going to come after Hampton and Jones with a vengence formerly lacking.

Got to retire early at 53 due to those glory years from 92-2000 when EVERYBODY made money in the market—maybe even you—of course not as much as a MLB player but still enough not to have any mortgages, credit card debt, car payments, great health insurance, 16 year old(late start!!) college education taken care of and able to travel when I want. See, I actually qualify to take the time to actually care about a baseball team.

Tell me if you think what you hear Wednesday is “babbling incoherence” or rather erudite venom directed towards a crap organization that has won 1 fewer World Series in last 50 years( Going back to Milwaukee) than the penniless, stadiumless, ownerless, fanless Florida Marlins have won in last 12?? Call in, but please don’t go by the gutless BA—Identify and let’s talk. I’ll try not to stammer.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 29, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

DOB (9:53),

Hope you’re right. With Chipper out, Blanco hot and Brandon not stinking, they just can’t keep giving away four outs a game in the hopes that Frenchy will someday snap out of it.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 29, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

Also I’d prefer to see Z-man in RF. Blanco’s arm is mediocre at best and playing RF might save the Z a little wear and tear.

By Bowie

June 29, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

Man, sure miss N8. He did make it interesting with Stats and lawyer like questions and answers.

Frank Wren as a GM has not proved he can put a winner on the field. The judge is still out on Frank Wren.

Everyone knows Bobby could win in the past but time as past him by.

By Bowie

June 29, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Man, sure miss N8. He did make it interesting with Stats and lawyer like questions and answers.

Frank Wren as a GM has not proved he can put a winner on the field. The judge is still out on Frank Wren.

Everyone knows Bobby could win in the past but time has past him by.

By Doc Holliday

June 29, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

Its clear you are not winning any games if you have 2 corner OFs hitting .239 and the guy batting 2nd is making friends with MENDOZA. Your backup AA SS hitting .136. Having 10 baserunners and scoring ZERO runs.

Certainly you are not winning anything if your OF is made out of 2 rookies, 1 guy that looks and plays as a rookie, 1 guy that was released by a last place team and your best guy is on the DL.

Both leaders of the team DLed.

Brainless manager……

Having Corky and Gotay just shows how much the front office cares. Anybody is worth a try, even bonds as backup catcher could be better (sarcasm).

By Jeff R

June 29, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

Chipper to the DL is a lot like the old headline: “Dog Bites Man.”

In the past four seasons, Chipper’s missed a combined full season plus on the DL. But no matter how many injuries, or how much time he spends on the DL, Chipper-maniacs will still insist that the guy is the Braves 3rd sacker. Where’s the young talent coming up behind this guy? Oh, but, no. With Chipper’s contract up at season’s close, it’s time to sign him to a long term deal, right? Lock him up, so another team can’t enjoy his on again/off again love affair with the DL.

Chipper’s a great talent, but no longer durable. Make a change in 2009.

By justdoit

June 29, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

this team needs to get a bat very quick if they plan on staying in this

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

Why do only David O’Brien and I go by our real names?? This station is actually a Braves affiliate. I actually believe they would be better served by covering something more productive. WCCP, the Clemson Flagship station, won’t even drop their 3:00 to6:00 guy during a Braves afternoon game because they don’t want to hurt their ratings—ROTFLMAO—That is really true.

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

I think we’ve got the message, folks: Several of you have said the judge, jury, verdict, etc., are all out on Frank Wren. OK, good to know. Now moving on….

Braves avoid Hamels in this series. But they have Kendrick on Tuesday, and he’s 2-0 with a 0.60 ERA in his past two road starts, one earned run allowed in 15 innings at St. Louis and Oakland.

He’s also 2-0 with a 4.03 ERA in four starts against the Braves over two seasons. And he almost certainly won’t have to face his nemesis: Chipper Jones is 5-for-10 with two homers against him.

Mark Teixeira is 1-for-6 with a homer, and Kelly Johnson and Jeff Francoeur are each 4-for-11, but B-Mac is just 1-for-10. Sorry, McFann.

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

DOB

I know you were talking to NED, but I have to disagree with you with this statement:

Do you guys even pay attention at all to the other teams in the division? You know, the teams the Braves have to beat out to make it to the postseason? Are any of those teams world-beaters, in your view? Really?

Yes, the Phillies aren’t world beaters, but they are a very good team that doesn’t have the injuries that this team has. They have outscored their opponents by 72 runs. They are 5th in ERA and are 2nd in runs scored. This isn’t the Mets or Marlins who have NO BUSINESS being ahead of the Braves in the standings. The Phillies are a legit team whose starting pitching is getting better(with the exception of Brett Myers). Their bullpen ERA is 2.62- Best in the National League. I wouldn’t worry about their bats, at all. The pitching is the part of the team that I expected to collapse, but it still hasn’t and I am not sure if it will. The Phillies are also 5-1 against the Braves(yes, small sample size, but still).

What would you be saying about your team tonight if you were Phillies fans? They’ve got everyone in their lineup right now, and they don’t have a single hitter who’s batted .275 in June.

Now if I were a Philly fan, I would be looking at that run differential and looking at the schedule that shows no more games against the American League, which they obviously had trouble with. They are 40-28 against the National League, 4-11 against the American League.

I’m not saying you don’t think Philly is a legit team, just pointing out that they are going to be difficult to beat out to win the division.

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

Flash forward to 2060 and historians are poring over the World Series winners, and all time winningest managers and they reflect upon a period from the early 1990’s through 2006 when they see a manager with a Hall of Fame trio of starters, the 2nd or 3rd greatest switch hitter of all time, a team that played in a division where their superior talent granted them a carte blance invitation to the playoffs and with ALL this going for them the Brilliant Field General of this team parlayed all those advantages into 1!!!!!!! less World Series than a long forgotten Florida Marlins team who with no money, no stadium, no fans, an owner who cared more about luxury tax profits, no big tv deal ACTUALLY won MORE WORLD SERIES than the team with the EDGE—THE HUGE EDGE!!

How do you HONESTLY—Really now—HONESTLY—-Think people in the future will react to that record??

By Doc Holliday

June 29, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

One more tip of my hat to that young pitching staff, its starting to look like 1990 again….. Very exciting to watch all this young guys step up.

Its a shame how badly wounded this team is.

The question will remain, why is JF still in the lineup. Is he paying Cox some money??? no other explanation.

Time to get Schafer to the bigs… If JF is having ankle or vision or brain or blood or urine issues…….just DL him or at least bench him.

Lilly really needs to get to the minors and some works……..not anywhere near to having a job in atlanta just yet.

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

DOB

I don’t think the Braves are out of it, like some here think, but I do think that .500 for the next 20-30 games will sink them. The Phillies will turn it on when they face worse National League pitching.

By monty

June 29, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

We all now what’s going to happen when we play the Phillies. It doesn’t matter how poorly Rollins, Utley or Howard have been hitting they love batting against us. I hope I’m wrong.It doesn’t mean we can’t win but we will have to outscore them,something we haven’t done much of lately!

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Jeff R, Chipper’s got a 2009 option that’s going to vest. He’ll be under contract with the Braves in 2009.

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

DOB

Fair enough. Hopefully the Braves can get healthy and add a player or two(players that don’t cost them top prospects, but I understand you have to give something of value up).

By BA

June 29, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

I think most of this “nonsense” is from younger kids, DOB. At least, that’s what I hope. Tonight has really raised the bar for dumazzes. Come on, you ‘tards, how about one more “Fire Bobby Cox” or one more rousing “Anybody else would PLAY with these injuries”.

By Chop Chop

June 29, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

If a team goes into a season relying on major injury risks (old, high-mileage pitchers like Smoltz and Glavine; Chipper and his never-ending leg ailments; Soriano (71 G, 72 IP) and Moylan (80 G, 90 IP) after the highest workloads of their careers; Kotsay and his bad back; Hampton…nah…I don’t think they were really relying on him), the odds are stacked pretty high against being able to stay healthy. What we’ve seen this season is the direct result of that strategy.

Jair Jurrjens, Jo-Jo Reyes, and Jorge Campillo are the MVPs of this team. They’ve saved this season from being a complete whitewash.

By Robert

June 29, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

“I would think Bobby’s really got to be thinking about not running Frenchy out there when Kotsay gets back”

Bobby Cox thinking - He has more chance of getting pregnant than of thinking

By Efrim

June 29, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

Am I seeing things? Did that comment dissapear?

By Braves never win on the road

June 29, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

The Brave’s have won 1 game all year vs. The Phillies enough said

By BA

June 29, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

No thanks, Vale- if I need to hear an irrelevant old blowhard I could go to the local old folks home. Hope you live ‘till your show, but it doesn’t seem likely at your age. Wow, I can’t wait to read another one of your riveting posts. They’re so gramatically challenged. In all those years, you never learned the word “proofread”. We’re all SO impressed.

By GT80

June 29, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

DOB, you once said that Schurholz (sp?) actually read the blog, can you confirm if Wren is reading it? Braves fans, you ought to be upset with the team Wren has cobbled together. OK, he concentrated on starting pitching, and thanks to some surprises (Campillo) and some young guys coming through, we have excellent starting pitching. But this bench is just horrendous, and now that they are having to play everyday, it’s really killing us.

And do you think maybe just once Bobby could figure out how to play small ball or something to win a 1 run game.

By N8

June 29, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

First of all, funny to come home after a LONG 48 hours of work and what not, and see that my negativity wasn’t needed at all yesterday and today. Braves provided the “spark” (nice outing by Hudson), and the bloggers responded (I love it when somebody on the blog points out “how well” the Braves are hitting in June on a day when the Braves offense was MIA for two days…..funny, indeed).

DOB

“Do you guys even pay attention at all to the other teams in the division? You know, the teams the Braves have to beat out to make it to the postseason? Are any of those teams world-beaters, in your view? Really?”

Ultimately, a team getting to the “dance” and seeing what they can do, is what should be rooted for by fans, correct?

So, by that criteria, the Braves are SURELY in the race, and based on their opponents in the NL East, they’ve got a fighting chance.

That being said, I’m not so sure we should can get excited about the TEAM (regardless of how bad the rest of the division is), until they show they are capable of putting a “run” together like the Cardinals that won 83 games, or the Rockies last year.

Too early to assume they can’t? I suppose, with all the injuries and what not.

But you often reference the 14 year run of division titles, and the fans being fickle or showing up “late” to playoff games because they are numb to the first round losses, etc…

That same reasoning stands to not really get excited about this team, when they show signs of greatness, followed by signs of pure sh!t (pardon by Frenchy). This team can’t put together a 3 game winning streak, with their ACE (arguably) on the mound. How are they (and he) gonna fair in the playoffs.

I’ve not given up hope. Stranger things have happened. But there is ZERO signs of the team winning one-run games on the road. There is ZERO signs of them doing ANYTHING without Chipper in the lineup, and apparently Wren isn’t too worried about the lineup enough to make a PRO-ACTIVE move, rather than a “too late” RE-ACTIVE move (Wickman 2 years ago). In reality, I’ve got no problem with this, if privately, he doesn’t wanna sacrifice future players (prospects), for THIS GROUP to make a run right now. I not only respect that, but agree with it. But who really knows what phone calls he has or hasn’t been making?

“I would think Bobby’s really got to be thinking about not running Frenchy out there when Kotsay gets back.”

I like it when you make comments like that. Sometimes I think they are little “leaks” of information. Because more often than not, when you make a bold statement like that (and that is pretty bold), it often comes true. You are after all, the MIB Blog version of the ESPN “Insider”.

Let’s hope you’re right. For the teams sake…and for Jeff. He needs to collect himself. Dude just ain’t helping AT ALL.

By BA

June 29, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

There gos n8 the hate complementing himself under a different name. How sad, after he got schooled (yet again) on Friday night. At least we got Vale representing the idiot demographic.

By monty

June 29, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

Lou Vales

I can see your point, but the fact is that Bobby Cox is a Hall of Fame coach. He may not be the best World Series coach, he may have been handed Hall of Fame players that made him look good, but it is what it is. He’s been exremely successful. It wasn’t BC fault that our baserunner(Lonnie Smith?) got deked against the Twins, or that Gary Sheffield went 2- 21 or whatever he went in the postseason that year, or that Wohlers hung that slider against that Yankee catcher, and on and on we can go. If anything I’d say he’s been a bit unlucky over those years. I personally don’t think this year or last has been his better years. He seems to be slipping IMO especially in the use of the bullpen, but hey, look at all the injuries! 60 years from now all anyone will know about BC will be his stats. HIs stats say he’s one of the best coaches of all time!

By bravos2249

June 29, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

DOB

I myself too hate when Chipper goes on the DL but IYO don’t you think a player over 35 shouldn’t be expected, though he made a promise to try to, play 150 games; that’s just not do-able. I looked up some players his age and on avg. last year they played 130 games and Chipper played 134..I know he was on the DL at least once…I think twice..but it’s gotten old of this team relying on a 36 yr old guy to be a 20 yr old stud. Granted heck yeah a .394 avg is very much needed but seriously I think if Chipper had not been exected to play every game in the first 2-3 months the past couple of yrs he wouldn’t have been on the DL as much…aside from the slip at the first of the season 2 or 3 yrs ago.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 29, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this

According to DOB I and the others who are chatting about the GM are just wasting cyberspace, but anyway here’s my Tuesday lineup if Escobar is back:

Blanco CF; Escobar SS; Johnson 2b: Tex 1B; Heap C: Kotsay RF; B. Jones RF: Gotay 3B.

Would love to see Infante in there at 3B hitting second. Then I’d move Escobar to the three-hole and KJ behind Heap.

OK, I’ll not waste anymore of your cyberspace.

By Robert

June 29, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/06/29/smoltz_0630.html

I QUOTE:

“This (Smoltz being in the dugout) was all Bobby Cox’s idea - no, his demand - that after Smoltz’s surgery on June 10, he rejoin the club for wherever this wobbly season leads”

So, DOB, the other day you told us that this was purely voluntary from Smoltz -

Were you lying? Or are you just not well informed?

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

BA, Not trying to impress you. I just figured a purveyor of supporter sniffing you had the intestinal fortitude associated with your persona to put your name up there. Dave puts his name up there. You put BA up there. What the heck is BA?? Bachelor of Arts/ Armstrong State??? Cobb County Community College?? C’mon it’s 2008. We’re all civilized. Well, most of us.

Who do you want me to go after the most— (1) Hampton and his Ryan Leaf Deal (2)Chipper and his soon to be lost interest in season as .400 fades. (3)Or “I’ll See You Later Tex” as he walks out the door???????

By Supes

June 29, 2008 11:22 PM | Link to this

DOB great about the Braves missing Cole Hamels, but they also missed him the last they played ATL and swept them at the TED.

Discouraging news about Chipper, but he should have already been on the DL to heal. No need to rush him out there, even experiment. Get him healthy. Meanwhile, he’s been killing our bench depth in the process of finding out if he’ll get better. Can’t use him unless you are willing to burn 2 players. The guy coming out and the guy coming in to play defense at 3B.

JEFF FRANCINE needs to be sent down ASAP. The Braves are a gutless organization for tolerating that man putting up abismal numbers and refusing to change his approach at the plate.

It just pains me to watch Jeff hit. I rememeber not long ago…hell last year when it was interesting to watch his progress, hitting for higher average, to the off-field, hitting with RISP, etc. Producing! So we go from that..to 3 months of what I would call complete and utter disappointment. Oh the promise of “the Natural”…

KC, I’m with you. Gotta win 2 out of 3 from the Phillies. I am with Coach, I don’t think this team is going anywhere this season, but I hope they prove me wrong, and they can start by beating the Phillies.

The person who listed, Norton, Gotay, Lilbridge and FRANCINE’s batting average…way to further depress the fanbase…yeah, that was half our lineup. All hitting below .240! Just imagine the horror of Corky was there as well with his robust .115

By N8

June 29, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

BA

“There gos n8 the hate complementing himself under a different name. How sad, after he got schooled (yet again) on Friday night.”

A) I have NEVER and will not EVER post under another name to compliment myself. Jealous that nobody compliments you and your genius angle?

B) Not so certain I got schooled. But if it makes you better, you can believe what you wanna believe.

C) I wouldn’t be surprised if YOU were posting as Bowie, just so you could attack me, saying I’m posting under another name to compliment myself.

“At least we got Vale representing the idiot demographic.”

I love it when somebody is a card-carrying member of a “club”, and has NO IDEA of it. Well done. If others here are true idiots. What does that make the idiot that tries to converse with them? (I’ll clue you in….it makes you AND IDIOT as well).

“I think most of this “nonsense” is from younger kids, DOB.”

What are you? 12, 15, or 19? If you’re under 30……you’re a kid.

By Robert

June 29, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

“How do you HONESTLY—Really now—HONESTLY—-Think people in the future will react to that record??”

Hopefully they wont have to consider Cox one of the worst HOF selections of all time because hopefully by the time he becomes eligible the sheen will have worn off the Donk

Cox getting elected to the HOF is akin to taking a dump on a Picasso

By BA

June 29, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

By ANY criteria, a team that’s four back before the Break is in the race. Unless you are desperately rooting AGAINST said team, and spend the entire year reveling in every failure and becoming a ghost when they succeed. Somebody go back and count the number of times n8 has used the phrase “it is what it is” and referring to any and all players as “dude” just this weekend alone. Unending pearls of wisdom…

By N8

June 29, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

BA

“No thanks, Vale- if I need to hear an irrelevant old blowhard I could go to the local old folks home.”

A true sign that you, yourself are just a kid, and have ZERO respect for your elders.

Which, I’m sorry to inform your young azz, makes YOU…..irrelevant.

NOBODY, but a young, cocky, A-hole would make a comment like that, and expect to be taken seriously.

But don’t worry about it. Nobody takes you seriously anyhow.

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

Monty, I’m perfectly ready to never blame a manager or a coach for what happens on a field. But then I would like to ask—Why do we have to give them credit when GOOD things happen on a field??

Is there one other area of American life where the guys who run an entity get accolades when things go well, but when things tank, he or she has apologists who come out and say “Well, you can’t blame management for what went on. After all they weren’t in all those offices or conference rooms”

Do you really think Joe Torre fluctuates between brilliance and incompetence based on where he is. I’d love to have seen Bobby Cox pacing in the Washington Nationals dugout the last 3 years—or in the Expos dugout the prior 11!!

By bravos2249

June 29, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this

Lou Vales

Chipper’s avg went down before he started sitting out and went back up after he pinch hit so saying he lost interest in the season after his avg went down is stupid. When his avg was right @ .400 he only got 2 hits and then his avg went down and since then he only got 2 hits in pinch hits and his avg is .394 it’s not like it’s .354.

By Tomas

June 29, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

DOB, will the braves consider signing AJ Burnett or Ben Sheets this offseason. With the possibility of John Smoltz being in the starting rotation or even in the clubhouse, and Tom Glavine possibly retiring after this season as Smoltz. And I’m sure the Braves wont keep Hampton, there would be a necesity of a starting pitcher. And the two most notable free agent starting pitchers are AJ, and ben sheets, the two of them have been absolutely lights out against the Braves. I know they are an injury risk and certainly going to demand big bucks(guessing somewhere around the neighberhood of 14 million) but it is very difficult to find the kind of pitchers that can shut down any offense when they’re on.

By Lou Vales

June 29, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

Anybody with a clue as to what BA stands for?? Is it a reference to a mythic or gothic ritual?? Is it part of a Stephen Hawking formula pertaining to Strand Theory?? Does it refer to a sports abbreviation?? Do you take the b and substitute a 2 and take the a and substitute a 1 and thus come up with a 12, and does the 12 refer ro a former Brave or a former NFL QB?? Who or What is a BA or ba?? Anybody??

By BA

June 29, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this

I’ve been jealous before, true enough. But the guy in KC that posts his anti-Braves vitriole to the tune of thirty times a day on a Braves/MIB blog? Sorry, just doesn’t register on the old jealousy meter. Anyway, I’ve had a few nice folks throw me some love. The whole me-posting-as-you-posting…bit of a stretch. Start believing those kind of delusions, and your posts will start to look like Coach (I’m a moron)!

Wish I still qualified as a “kid”.

By N8

June 29, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

BA

“and referring to any and all players as “dude” just this weekend alone. Unending pearls of wisdom…”

Ironically, you have just insinuated that DOB is unwise. NOBODY uses the phrase “dude” more than DOB does.

Well done.

“Unless you are desperately rooting AGAINST said team, and spend the entire year reveling in every failure and becoming a ghost when they succeed.”

In other words, over the past 400 or so games, one would be able to be a ghost about 50 percent of the time, huh?

Oddly enough, I wasn’t ANYWHERE to be found yesterday and today, yet was here getting “schooled” on Friday, during a victory (which I praised).

Your theory has more holes than the Bunny Ranch. Keep it up. The more you post, the dumber you appear.

Still wanna know what I got “schooled” on? Was it DOB agreeing with you about the Marlins attendance?

WOW. I’ve officially been schooled, in the OBVIOUS. Genius. Pure genius.

You sir, have to be the most ignorant SOB on this blog. I can only hope to someday have your infinite collection of wisdom (all 14 years wisdom you’ve collected in your life).

Does ‘BA’ stand for BIG AZZ? Because you are one.

By BA

June 29, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

I respect plenty of “elders”. But does age mean that when you expose yourself as a bufoon in a public forum, I should “respect” that? Respect, my eldery imbecile, is EARNED. Now don’t get angry, you might get so mad you take your Jitterbug out and throw it at the wall!

By David O'Brien

June 29, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

Just not well informed. You got me.

Now please, go back to what you do best. Stick to your strengths, er, strength. You know, “Donk this” and “Hee Haw that.” Your acumen is there.

By N8

June 30, 2008 12:00 AM | Link to this

BA

“But the guy in KC that posts his anti-Braves vitriole to the tune of thirty times a day on a Braves/MIB blog?”

You should try reading at least one of those 30 posts a day.

You’re great dude. The stupidity just keeps flowing from your keyboard, and you don’t even realize it.

Keep going. This is fun.

“The whole me-posting-as-you-posting…bit of a stretch.”

Good point. You certainly don’t have the intelligence to come up with that scam. Sorry to assume.

By JimD

June 30, 2008 12:00 AM | Link to this

*I QUOTE:

“This (Smoltz being in the dugout) was all Bobby Cox’s idea - no, his demand - that after Smoltz’s surgery on June 10, he rejoin the club for wherever this wobbly season leads”

So, DOB, the other day you told us that this was purely voluntary from Smoltz -

Were you lying? Or are you just not well informed?*

Robert,

Do you know how to read something in context? My guess is that, yes, you do, but you would rather take something out of context and be a butthole about it.

When question what DOB wrote - that it was Cox’s “demand” - you contradict yourself in the most basic way possible. You constantly harp about how soft BC is on his players and that he never requires anything of them, then you take a statement that obviously is a writer’s play on words and treat it as though all of a sudden you believe Cox demanded something of a player.

DOB is a writer, he knows how to use words creatively. Quit grinding your axe, OK? You know what he meant.

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 12:03 AM | Link to this

“I would think Bobby’s really got to be thinking about not running Frenchy out there when Kotsay gets back.”

I like it when you make comments like that. Sometimes I think they are little “leaks” of information. Because more often than not, when you make a bold statement like that (and that is pretty bold), it often comes true. You are after all, the MIB Blog version of the ESPN “Insider”.N8

Well, in this instance, I can assure you I’ve heard absolutely nothing to suggest Cox would or is even considering making that move. That comment was merely my own speculation, fueled by nothing more than what I see (same as you — I see woeful stuff from Jeff) and by the fact Kotsay is coming back and Blanco is hitting well.

By N8

June 30, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this

BA

“Respect, my eldery imbecile, is EARNED. Now don’t get angry, you might get so mad you take your Jitterbug out and throw it at the wall!”

And the hits just keep on coming. I wasn’t stating that I was elderly. But again you have shown you have ZERO respect for the elderly people in the “old-folks homes”.

Well done. Keep going. You’re making this too easy. It’s like pretending to throw the ball with a young puppy and no matter how many times you do it, he keeps chasing it.

You’re a fool.

And now, after “schooling you” (I can only assume that have a couple of witty comebacks, defines “schooling” in your circle - full of other jerks), I must adhere to my own advise, and stop conversing with the idiots, before I appear to be part of the gang.

“…when you expose yourself as a bufoon in a public forum…”

Irony at it’s finest.

By Bowie

June 30, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

N8, Please, I’m not BA that Cocky A-Hole that thinks he’s the greatest. I don’t blog much but I do look for you, Coach, Robert,& Supes because I agree 99% of the time with your opinion. Keep it up.

By N8

June 30, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

DOB

Thanks DUDE. I appreciate the info either way.

Agree with you, as well. But since I blog from KC 30 times a day, I’m sure you already knew that.

By Chop Chop

June 30, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this

DOB,

I hope that Francoeur starts coming up to the plate with this theme music.

I mean, it’s even edited and stuff.

By BA

June 30, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this

No, n8 the hate, I wasn’t talking about the attendance. The “dude” thing, how did the phrase go, “I know DOB, and YOU sir…

Enough poo throwing, lets get back to baseball. The Braves have the best rotation in the N.L. East. Spin it any way you want, but they have been around the top of the league in runs for most of the year. The Phillies are in free-fall mode and the Mets are a joke. If Wren can pull something off (like he’s proven this season he can do) for a bat or two I think the Braves will take off behind these young guns. How many games behind the Giants were the Braves at the break the McGriff year?

By KC

June 30, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

Supes: Here’s the deal with this team…

The pitching is there. They could use another bullpen arm or two, but the pitching is there.

As for the offense…

When everyone’s in the lineup, this is virtually the same lineup we had in August and September of last year when we were abusing opposing pitchers.

Though it’s the same lineup, there have been 3 differences that have prevented it from being as good:

1 - Frenchy’s been non-existent.

2 - Tex (until the last week) has grossly underperformed, and hasn’t effectively protected Chipper.

3 - Injuries.

The good news is that Tex has turned the corner… so if we can get the lineup healthy, the only remaining problem with be Frenchy.

But if they’re all healthy and hitting as they’re capable… a lineup that features Chipper, Tex, McCann, Escobar, KJ, and Kotsay is certainly capable of scoring enough to win, even if Frenchy’s slump doesn’t end this year.

And if we can pick up another bat like a Bay, Nady, Jose Guillen - someone like that… then that would effectively replace what should be Francoeur’s offense.

Bottom line, if we continue to get this kind of pitching, a little health is all that’s needed for this team to compete. And if they add another big bat, and we essentially have last year’s offense (from Aug/Sep) with this year’s pitching… and that would be a pretty damn good combination.

So I’m certainly not ready to give up on this team.

By Chop Chop

June 30, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

(Bedtime after this…)

BA,

That ol’ 1993 team had a rotation of Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz, and Avery. That foursome combined for 75 wins (Glavine had 22, Maddux had 20, Avery had 18, Smoltz had 15). Every one of them made at least 35 starts.

The Braves were 53-41 the day before Fred McGriff made his debut and nine games (the answer to your question) back. They went 61-17 from July 20th on, erasing a 10-game lead (which was achieved by the Giants a day or two after McGriff arrived) by September 9th. The Braves had winning streaks of five games (twice), six games, and nine games after July 20th.

The Braves’ pitching staff allowed three runs or fewer in 44 of those 78 remaining games. The team went 39-5 in those 44 games.

The Braves had a 14-game streak in September where they allowed three runs or fewer.

The Braves won 18 one-run contests in those final 78 games.

BA, if some crazy s** like that happens again this year, I’ll eat my Braves cap.

By KC

June 30, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

BA: Give it up. The season’s over… you said so yourself! =)

By Chop Chop

June 30, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

Oops…

I should have had Pete Smith included in the rotation. I was at the July 19, 1993 game. I went with a Lutheran church youth group as it was “Lutheran Night At The Braves” or something. My brother and I were all hyped up about the McGriff trade, but we knew he wasn’t going to be playing that night. The Braves ended up being shut out 4-0 by the immortal Donovan Osborne. I don’t think I ever forgave Brian Jordan for taking Pete Smith deep twice that night.

By KC

June 30, 2008 1:16 AM | Link to this

Chop Chop: No one’s predicting this rotation will be Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery. However…

This is (right now, at least) the best rotation in the NL. So this team does have something in common with the 93 team.

And this team actually has a couple more offensive weapons than that 93 team had before they picked up McGriff.

That team had 2 big bats (Justice and Gant). This team has 3 big bats.

Get this lineup healthy and add another big bat, and this lineup could be one of the best in baseball.

Put that with the pitching the Braves have, and you’ve got something.

Maybe everything will go wrong. Maybe the injury trouble won’t get any better, Wren won’t be able to get anything done… and we’ll hang around .500 for the rest of the year.

But it also would surprise me if the offensive pieces fall in place, and this team finishes with well over 90 wins.

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 1:23 AM | Link to this

2 - Tex (until the last week) has grossly underperformed, and hasn�t effectively protected Chipper.KC

That’s a bit of an exaggeration.

Let’s discount the past week altogether. Actually, we’ll even go back eight days and wipe away his three-homer game (that was on a Sunday).

So take away the six homers and 11 RBIs from June 22-29.

From May 17-June 21, Teixeira hit .292 with five homers, 30 RBI, 21 walks, .394 OBP and a .462 slugging percentage in 35 games.

KC: Yes, Teixeira badly underformed the first 6-7 weeks of the season, even by his own typical slow-starting standards.

But to say that he “grossly underperformed” until the past week just doesn’t hold water.

Just take those numbers over his previous 35 games before the past week — that’s completely discounting his huge past seven games — and project them over 162.

It’d be 23 homers and 139 RBIs, with that .292 average and .856 OPS. The homers would be about 10 below expectations, but otherwise, it’d be a pretty good season.

And that was without his six homers and 11 RBI in the past seven games (eight days).

I think you’re letting your frustrations over his slow start affect your logic. Say he grossly underperformed the first two months; I’d buy that. But I’ve got a hard time characterizing 11 homers and 41 RBIs in his past 42 games as grossly underperfoming.

People, I’ve come to see that he’s just not the type of hitter who always strikes fear into the heart of other teams — though he did to Toronto — the way that Chipper does, or Andruw did when he was at his best, or Sheff. Those guys are/were aggressive and menacing to pitchers.

Teixieira methodically piles up numbers over the course of the season, the way A-Rod does (albeit slightly lesser numbers). Those two guys don’t get a ton of huge-moment hits, the kind you see on highlights, dramatic stuff ending games and all that.

He just piles up stats, and does it as consistently as just about anyone over 162 games.

Just the type of player he is, from what I’ve seen the past year. But statistically speaking, you dilute the phrase “grossly underperformed” when he say it’s what he did until the past week.

By nolie

June 30, 2008 4:26 AM | Link to this

Dear Ba, I’m only 60—That’s young by today standards, and I certainly have never wanted nor felt the need to idolize and live and die by the exploits of people who probably wouldn’t give me or YOU the time of day or maybe even call either one of us an ambulance if we had been hit by a truck.LouVales

whatsamatter Lou? The jocks pick on you in junior high? I can’t figure what you are doing here anyway as your comments are seldom about the Braves as baseball, more political or sociological which is ok but why on a baseball board?

Of course your constant negativity fits right in with the rest of the ranters, but since it is usually on a different subject it is at least a break from the fire Cox- demote FRenchy etc.

Like I said I figger you’re here because of a jock induced trauma in your childhood. Good luck with the therapy dude.

By nolie

June 30, 2008 4:50 AM | Link to this

It just doesn’t seem to matter WHAT is needed or WHO the player is in those critical points in these close games.They will fail to do whatever that thing is when it matters most.

A statement that men like Rob Neyer will never understand.**Brent A88

As much as I enjoy stats and have since I was a teen, as I have said on here several times it is as much about when as it is about how many. Unfortunately there is no real consistant control over when, so the most employed strategy is probably to throw as many how manys at it as possible and hope to cover the when. Sometimes that works ok but so far for this team it hasn’t, partially because the how manys are not nearly as many as we hoped for. The old bug/windshield thingy…so far this season we’ve been the bug way too often

By Quack Quack

June 30, 2008 5:19 AM | Link to this

I don’t blog much but I do look for you, Coach, Robert,& Supes because I agree 99% of the time with your opinion. Keep it up.Bowie

that is just sooo sad. the group that thinks they know it all.alas how ill informed they really are. charter members of the Azzholes Club one and all.

By Coach ( Lets Go Braves In 2009)

June 30, 2008 5:48 AM | Link to this

In case you might have missed this blurb from yesterday because I’m quit sure no one in the Atlanta media reported it:

The Braves have lost a major league record 23 consecutive one-run road games, a streak that began last season.

By Capt Caveman (the original Dawg)

June 30, 2008 6:02 AM | Link to this

Just got home from my bouncing job at the club and really got a laugh from all the nonsense crap on here today. I mean seriously, some of this is bordering on childlike logic and reason.

I guess eventually I will have to use the ultimate comeback of all time for little kids — as quoted from the movie “The Sandlot”

“OH YEAH !!! Well - YOU - throw - like - a - GIIRRRLLLL!!”

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!!

Now it’s on DUDE !!!!

By Coochisapatheticmindlessmoronwhotrollshisownboard

June 30, 2008 6:06 AM | Link to this

Coach

what a pathetic excuse for a human being. Revel in the Braves losing why don’t you just to get opportunity to b1tch and whine about the team Why don’t you just die dude in all your avatars. do us all a favor.

By Bobby's Cox

June 30, 2008 6:30 AM | Link to this

Hello All:

Reading the blog I didn’t see it mentioned that Kotsay is coming back to play on Tuesday. Bowman had reported it on the braves site in the middle of Sunday’s game, yet it wasn’t mentioned here (check my cell phone when i’m away from the computer).

Also, there seems to be a bit of panicking, ranting & raving over the teams performance over the past 2 days. What did you expect though with the worst of the Braves Minor league fill-ins playing and no bench options available?

I still find it odd that Diory isn’t here instead of LittleBridge, Anderson instead of Jones, and find it odd that Stockman still hasn’t pitched in the minors. Though, Diory for LittleBridge is the biggest shocker.

BTW, Bowman also reported that the Braves might call up Prado early for Tuesday. Not sure if that’s a good idea, but the braves may have no choice and Prado finally started hitting in Mississippi the last 2 games.

By Bobby's Cox

June 30, 2008 6:38 AM | Link to this

Shamus Thacker

Hope your mom gets better real soon. I’ll miss your witty, well-written posts in the meantime. DOB said it best, you’re a fine man. Best of wishes for you & your family.

Quack Quack

Thanks for the kind words on Saturday. It was a nice discussion we had, and thanks for making me revisit some college statistics, formulas & terms…i think.

By Bobby's Cox

June 30, 2008 6:43 AM | Link to this

Frank Wren said a week or 2 ago that he was looking for an outfield RH bat.

He didn’t say however if he was looking for a bat to replace our RF.

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 7:07 AM | Link to this

Bobby’s Cox: No secret that Braves are calling up Kotsay Tuesday. They’ve said that (and we and everybody else have reported that) since the day they sent him out on rehab Thursday.

We don’t report everything here on the blog, my man. News stories, game stories, notebooks … we put it all in the paper and on AJC.com, and use the blog as a supplement to offer insights, opinions, behind-the-scenes stuff, etc. Kotsay’s been reported at every stage of the way. Would’ve been a story if he’s NOT called up Tuesday, since they haven’t moved from that plan.

Now, Prado would be earlier than expected. But given Infante’s lingering soreness, that’s a possibility. They had Prado play left field yesterday at Mississippi, so he’s getting moved around to be ready at several positions, ala Infante.

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 7:18 AM | Link to this

By Coach ( Lets Go Braves In 2009) June 30, 2008 5:48 AM | Link to this In case you might have missed this blurb from yesterday because I’m quit sure no one in the Atlanta media reported it:

The Braves have lost a major league record 23 consecutive one-run road games, a streak that began last season.Coach

Yeah, coach, because I think most people probably overlooked that line from the third paragraph of my game story, which read:

“Reyes pitched superbly for the Braves, but his teammates wasted their few scoring opportunities in a 1-0 loss to the Blue Jays — a defeat that stretched the Braves’ remarkable major-league record to 23 consecutive losses in one-run road games dating to last season.”

Do you and Bobby’s Cox just read the blog on ajc.com, not the actual game stories and Braves notebooks? That or you must just skim everything. Only explanation for how you could miss that in my story, or how BC could miss the multiple mentions of Kotsay coming back Tuesday.

BC, here’s paragraph from that same game story:

“The Braves are off today before an important three-game series against Philadelphia at Turner Field starting Tuesday, when they expect to have shortstop Yunel Escobar and center fielder Mark Kotsay — but not Jones, who could swap places with Kotsay coming off the DL.”

BC, here’s another Kotsay mention yesterday, in my Braves story about Chipper likely headed to DL:

“The Braves already planned to activate center fielder Mark Kotsay from the DL Tuesday. Kotsay missed five weeks with a bulging disc, and was 6-for-18 in five injury-rehab games at Class AA Mississippi.

“Rookie outfielder Brandon Jones was assumed to be the leading candidate to be sent to the minors to make room for Kotsay. Now, it seems likely the elder Jones will clear a spot.”

You and coach probably don’t need to “report” stuff to the denizens here that’s already been reported in the paper in the game stories and Braves notebooks.

By Bill

June 30, 2008 7:23 AM | Link to this

BA—— You are a lost cause. Don’t be picking on Lou. He’s say’s alot of thing’s that’s the truth. He may not be as big a sports fan as you and I. I’m sixty eight and can do as much as anyone in their thirties. I have been lucky. I don’t know how old you are but you are acting like a teenager. I will feel sorry for you when you get to be a senior. It seems that you have no respect for your older friends, if you have any. If you are married, I feel sorry for your wife.

By NCBravesFan

June 30, 2008 7:31 AM | Link to this

It’ll be good to close the books on this month of June and hope for bigger and better things in July. I’m curious as to how Frank Wren is going to play things in the next few weeks.

You have to think he’s going to be a shopper rather than a seller at this point, although the impending free agency of Tex and the sudden regression of Francouer have to be complicating the short term picture. Does he go big and try to make a Tex-like trade for a proven OF bat?

Or does he make a modest deal for a role-player type OF, hold on to key prospects, and hope for the best here in 2008?

With the Tex-Frenchy issues in the foreground, it sure will be interesting to see which way this breaks.

Finally, I gotta say to the “fans” who are ripping Francouer on a seemingly continual basis - is this how you get your jollies? The guy is 24 years old, he’s confronting failure for likely the first time in his life, and he’s doing so in front of thousands of people on a daily basis.

I understand the frustration of watching someone fail in the context of a team sport, but really. Are you all so superior in your own lives that you feel entitled to rip someone to shreds (anonymously) who is obviously struggling to put his game back together?

By SNIPER-69

June 30, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this

The Phillies freefall should make for an interesting 2nd half. With the braves players lining up for the DL, seems to me the Mets and phils will fight it out for the division. Look for the Mets to make a move withing the next 10-15 games to take over 1st place.

By Efrim

June 30, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Sniper

Why should anyone think the Mets are going to make a move over the next 10-15 games? They haven’t done a thing since Randolph got fired but play .500 baseball. It obviously wasn’t Willie. Minaya constructed a mediocre team. 80-85 wins for the Mets.

By Efrim

June 30, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

NCBravesFan

I think the next two weeks will let us know whether or not Frank Wren will be a buyer or seller come the trade deadline. I am getting the feeling that NO TEAM will be willing to trade 2 very good to great prospects for Tex anyway, so I’d bet this team willl look to add a right handed hitting corner outfielder and a right handed bullpen arm. Hopefully we won’t have to trade any top prospects for the help, but I doubt that it could be possible if we don’t. That said, I hope the Braves know what they are doing. Trading away top prospects can be risky business. Neftali Feliz is going to come back and bite this team in the a*.

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

DOB, nice job bringing up runs created. There are actually a few different formulas. It’s actually just an attempt to estimate how many runs a player contributes on offense. The most basic formula is OBP x TB, but there are also formulas that take into account steals, caught stealing, sac hits and sac flies, grounded into double plays.

Things like RBI and runs are very dependent on who is hitting around the player. But runs created simply takes into account the essential offensive skills to creating runs.

So basically a lineup of nine hitters who contribute like the 2008 Chipper would create 11-12 runs per 27 outs (according to espn.com’s stat page).

Chipper has 71.2 runs created. This doesn’t necessarily mean Chipper has added 71-72 runs to the Braves’ total number of runs as maybe some of Chipper’s run-creating goes unfulfilled because of the hitter’s around him.

By Efrim

June 30, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

DOB

I know there are more pressing issues, like the major league team, but if you have time between now and tomorrow night’s game, could you please try to dig up some info on Cole Rohrbough and Julio Teheran? Obviously, they have to be hurt, and the Braves may be secretive about it. But if you could find anything out on either I would really appreciate it. I’m sure others would too. Thanks.

By Danny Parry

June 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

I looked down the bench over the weekend,Hell we’ve got a 40 or 50 million dollar bench.

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

I agree with Sniper. No Met is really playing significantly worse than we would expect and they are around a .500 team. Well, I guess Oliver Perez is probably performing a worse than we’d expect but that’s probably canceled out by somewhat unexpected performances of John Maine and some of their relievers.

I think the Mets are evidence that a team can’t really do it with three great position players, a great starter and a great reliever.

By Danny Parry

June 30, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

We have the best bench in baseball. I looked down it this weekend and there was 40-50 million riding the pine.

By NCBravesFan

June 30, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Efrim I would think that trading Tex is off the table, for the very reasons you cited. It’s not likely they’ll be able to get much more than the two picks they’ll get by letting him walk in October anyway. So why throw away any postseason hopes this year — unless the earth moves and Tex/Boras are willing to do a sign and trade now, thereby strengthening the Braves’ hands in trade talks (anything’s possible I guess, but there’s no reason I can see why Tex would make such a concession).

My personal hope is that Wren will make a modest deal or two, hold on to key prospects, and hope for the best the rest of the year.

By Supes

June 30, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

NCBravesFan…define “ripping on Jeff Francouer”?

Why do people mistake criticism and frustation for “ripping, pilling” whatever term you’d like to use? It’s b/c you are so bound on defending that man that he can do no wrong and God forbid anyone does.

For the last time. I can’t speak for others…but I’m an Atlanta Braves fan. That’s it. Beyond that…I like 1 or 2 players on the team, but I don’t let that cloud my judgement when it comes time to comment on their performance on the field. So if you wear the ATL Braves jersey, your job is to help win games, contribute, etc. Jeff has done that 2 times this year that I can recall. He’s failed way more than that. We’ve come to expect better from Jeff. No one player is bigger than the team. Jeff’s lack of production has hurt, is hurting this team right now and the only thing that would make it better is him being sent down. Why you say? Because unlike the people that think he needs a few games on the bench to “get his head right, clear, whatever”, I feel that won’t help. He needs to work on his entire hitting approach, including situational hitting, pitch recognition, hitting what the pitcher gives, you, the whole deal. You can’t do that while sitting on the bench.

However, you can do that in the minors. Jeff could go down for a few weeks, a month, however long it takes and gets it turned around WITHOUT hurting the ATLANTA BRAVES offense. As we saw the other day…they already are struggling for offense. Francouer being sent down will only help the ATL. BRAVES in the long run…but oh wait…we don’t want that! That’s how we get our “kicks”…by pilling on our team. Right?!!!???

As far as the jocking/frustation…that I can see coming under attack a bit more…but it’s not meant to be taken in a negative context. For example…my FRANCINE ref to Jeff…it sounded like a good fun idea b/c he is like 2 different players. The Good…Jeff Francouer we saw play until 2008. Jeff FRANCINE has kidnapped him and took over, like a multiple personality disorder…and until Jeff snaps out of it…so it shall remain on my part. Nothing more but harmless fun, it’s not meant to personally insult the man, after all…it’s only a game right?

Just had to get that off my chest b/c I grow tired of seeing similar comments over and over defending Jeff blindly and name calling people who for the most part call him out for his abismal season (so far)

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Efrim, Teheran has a “sore shoulder” and nothing more, I was told yesterday.

Didn’t know Rohrbaugh had been out. Not gonna have time to ask about him before tomorrow.

To put things in perspective, here’s why worrying about Teheran, as far as fans of the major league team is concerned, is a bit of a stretch: He’s got a sore shoulder. Even if it was worse, you’re talking about a kid who’s probably not going to be in the majors for at least 3-4 more years.

He’s a teen-ager. He’ll probably have a few more periods of arm soreness between now and the time he reaches the majors. If he didn’t, he’d be unusual.

Sorry, but I’m not going to get worked up over an 18-year-old with a sore shoulder.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 30, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

DOB, I know you are busy and all, and that Phil Neikro and Zane Smith are mad old and haven’t pitched in the majors in years, but recently I heard that Neikro had the sniffles and Zane came down with a bad case of the blues. Care to check on their status for me? Any info you can gather on this pressing matter would be greatly appreciated by a great many of us.

By Original Jon

June 30, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

Danny Parry How many times are you going to say that we have a 40-50 million dollar bench? We get it, alright.

By Efrim

June 30, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

DOB

Thanks for the info. I agree, I’m sure a lot of 18 year olds have sore shoulders. I just wanted to know why he hadn’t pitched.

By NCBravesFan

June 30, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Supes My point, which really I should have spelled out more clearly, is that it’s really quite fair to criticize the lack of execution and performance. But why resort to name calling and attacking someone personally, as if they are willfully undermining the team?

And you and I can say that JF should be optioned to Richmond to work all this out, but then the question becomes … who is going to take his place in the lineup and in RF in Atlanta? And would that person necessarily do a better job than JF or help the team win?

Baseball is a 162-game marathon, where changes in performance don’t necessarily happen from AB to AB, game-to-game, or even week-to-week. That’s why, as frustrating as the Braves have been to watch the last four weeks or so, anyone who says categorically “they’re done” is reacting to the emotion of the moment. If the Braves get some key players back and go on a 30-10 blitz after the break … the division race is going to look a lot different.

Will that 30-10 blitz happen? I don’t know. But what I do know is that I’m not going to give up on this team … and any of its players … while they’re struggling offensively.

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Suddenly Snoopy69 wakes up and says the muts are gonna fight for the division. Im sorry to tell you that I like muts chances now that Manuel is running the team from the dogout. But you know that all your pitching staff is a big concern.

Santana = 7-7, way below what youve expected.

Pedro = not fooling anybody.

Maine = not good, nor dominant, nothing but average.

Pelfrey = same as Maine.

Perez = same as pelfrey.

Bullpen is not a force, even Wagner has blown saves like crazy.

Delgado drove in 20% the runs have has this year in a single game………that is not a good stat….that is BAD!!!!!!!!!

Wright has 11 errors, 4th worse in NL.

Your best player this year will play as many game as chipper this year, but he is like 8 years younger, go figure.

Alou…. not a factor.

I can go on but it is a waste of time.

Braves clearly have the best pitching staff….. the SP has been dominant last 2-3 weeks or so. If you consider the 2 bad outings hudson had in the period of that, then it should be considered something to get scared about (if you are a NL east team).

Mike Gonzalez is back and dealing.

TEX is hot.

Kotsay is about to be back, so is Prado.

Soon JF will hit the bench.

Get ready…… we are coming.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 30, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Chipper has 71.2 runs created.

Chipper creates more runs than a Mexican restaurant.

By flange1

June 30, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Morning All,

Well JoJo pitched a fine game yesterday. To bad AJ was a bit better (or luckier!)

It will be nice to get Prado and Kotsay back.

I really hope the Braves decide to DL Frenchy instead of the other options. The DL stint would not cause the psycological effects that sending him to Richmond would.

The lack of hitting is a problem, but the poor defense is not acceptable. The popup that KJ caught a couple nights back shows me that Frenchy is hurt or is totally mentally NOT in the game.

He needs a break.

I say DL Chipper and Frenchy (Infante too if he is still hurt) bring up Kotsay, Prado and Anderson and get all three in the starting line up ASAP.

Shamus, sorry to hear about your Mom, keep your chin up. Things will get better.

Coach, I don’t know what to say to you. Hopefully you will have a better week than you did weekend!

By McFann©

June 30, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

DOB He’s also 2-0 with a 4.03 ERA in four starts against the Braves over two seasons

Oh, swell! I think that silver lining just tarnished…

but B-Mac is just 1-for-10. Sorry, McFann.

Again, I’ll say…

But thanks for the info…uh…Maybe that just means he’s due!……Really due……As if he wasn’t already…

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Yeah. How many 18-year-old minor league pitchers suffer injuries and/or never reach the big leagues? Even for the most talented 18-year-old pitchers, it’s still a pretty long shot to reach the majors.

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Cool off…….last 10 days we have lost to Padilla (10 wins), Sheets (2.83 ERA), Beckett (108 K). Right before that we lost to Dempster (9 wins). We have faced and loss to some good pitchers.

We are facing Hamels on thursday, so get prepared.

By McFann©

June 30, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Shamus—

I will keep your Mom in my prayers.

(Sorry I missed that post yesterday.)

Flange1—

You might have a point about pointing Francoeur on the DL.

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

flange1 Id like to see that too. But when will Prado will be ready? When will Infante will be ready?

Chipper will be DLed. Is it a better idea to bring anderson? or is Schafer a better idea. Just too check what is he capable of in the majors. Im sure it cant be anything worse than what JF is doing.

By GT

June 30, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

The Braves might be “close” (as is the title of this blog), but they are by no means competitive in winning the division or the wildcard. The Braves are currently 40-43 and 4 games out of ist place, which means they’re in the same company as six other teams in the league not counting the division leaders. Only one of these teams will win the wildcard (and it won’t be the Braves, who can’t even stay above .500).

I’m just not sure how any objective observer can make the implication that the Braves are still in contention for the postseason this year. “Close” doesn’t win a trip to the playoffs, it falls short. Which is exactly where the Braves will finish this year - short.

‘Fess up to this Wren, and don’t make any stupid moves before the deadline that trade away our future for some foolish belief there is some “miracle” element that will vault us above our demonstrated inabilities.

By Ron Roberts

June 30, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

With the rotation fairly well set, let’s start getting the Kotsays, Escobars and (God willing) C.Jones’ back in the lineup now that Big Tex is hitting again, and watch this team take off.

I think we could look back at the Phillies’ inerleague swoon as their big mistake in not putting the division away when everybody else was struggling, and frankly, I think, when healthy, we’re gonna so far better then everybody else the rest of the way.

My only real concern is Francoeur. What to make of that, I dont know.

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

I just check about the matchups and Hamels will not start. he is due for friday (he pitched on saturday).

Braves are going on game #2 and #3 of the series against eaton and myers, a combined 5-15 record and some 5.30 combined ERA. Cant we just beat those guys? We are sending in those games campillo and JJJ a sub 3.00 combined ERA.

By Will

June 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

GT, you are absolutely right. This is the definition of a .500 team and the worst thing a mediocre team can do is make unneccesary trades. I hate the Phillies, but they are a better baseball team then the Braves and to make matters worse they have been playing total crap and Braves have hardly gained anything on them.

By Supes

June 30, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

NCBravesFan

Fair enough. We agree that Jeff should be sent down to the minors to work on this entire approach at the plate and hitting fundamentals. Fly ball anyone with the bases jacked normally produces 1 run, how many 1 run games have the Braves lost…ahh nevermind. That is a dangerous game to play. All I know is what my eyes tell me…that Jeff has let down this team far more than he has contributed in 2008.

A lesson must be taught to any of the Braves players, that you could be sent down to the minors no matter who you are, or what the organization envisions you to be in the future. Nobody is bigger than the team itself.

So, who do you play if you do that with Jeff you ask?

You keep Brandon Jones on the team, and Gregor Blaco gets moved over to RF. Kotsay’s got CF now. Call up Josh Anderson as the 4th OF. That has to be the obvious decision.

However, FRANK WREN is way too patient and isn’t going to do this, and I wonder if Bobby Cox will even allow this to happen either way. Between the two of them, they rather Jeff “ride it out” and hurt the Braves some more up here, until they figure out something is seriously wrong with Jeff and he needs help, he needs to work on his game someplace where his AB don’t count toward the scoring of the ATL. Braves.

By jeanE

June 30, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Who are these Braves? It’s like a completely different team than last years but same results…I think B. McCann looks tired, why not sit him for a few games & let the Corkster play? Yes, he is overweight, that is obvious! His bobblehead was hilarious, didn’t look like him at all! Francoeur needs to be sat or hitting at the bottom of the order but Bobby will never do that! He needs to take a look at Sweet Lou in Chicago who juggles the order constantly and based on who’s hitting! Chipper should probably be 0n the DL, he can’t play right now & he’s taking up a spot. Does that mean he couldn’t play in the all-star game? Buddy C. looked great in relief the other night! This team just has too many injuries and very average pitching right now, if the rest of the NL East weren’t so bad we would be totally out of it. But we are going nowhere. Fast.

By 22oz

June 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

It may wishful thinking to think that Francoeur gets benched more when Kotsay comes back. I just don’t see it happening. At least the consecutive games streak is over, where he will get sat down now and then, but as far as losing significant playing time when Kotsay comes back, forget it. He’s in Bobby’s club, he’ll keep playing dang near everyday.

By McFann©

June 30, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

jeanE—

Maybe McCann will be well rested after this day-off. Capmillo’s pitching on Wednesday, so maybe Bobby will go back to the Camp-Cork battery.

His bobblehead was hilarious, didn’t look like him at all!

Huh…Some of us wouldn’t know…

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

GT, the Braves are only four games out in the division race and have the third-best run differential in the league. The more games that are played, the more run differential is telling about the talent of a team.

Does the very good run differential mean they’ll necessarily climb above .500 and into the playoff race? Of course not. But it means they probably have about as good a chance as any other team under .500 at this point.

By NCBravesFan

June 30, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Supes I’m not sure that sending Jeff out as a means of “punishment” is the way to go. If the guy is busting his tail trying to work his way through it, what kind of message does that send to him?

If he gets optioned, it needs to be something that is best in the long-term interests of the player and the team.

You can make the switches that you suggest, keep JF up here to work through this massive funk, and hope he pulls through.

I don’t know the right answer really, I just see a guy who’s really struggling to figure things out — and I suspect a big part of the problem is that he’s being too hard on himself.

Like I said before, the guy’s probably confronting failure on a big scale for the first time in his life.

By ernesto

June 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Our Norton’s, Gotay’s and B. Joneses are horses…

they’re just taking us in the wrong direction.

Boy, our scrubs sure are scrubby.

By SNIPER-69

June 30, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

D-ick Holliday I see how that dominant pitching is working. With all you say is wrong with the Mets you’re still sitting behind the Mets. We’ll see if what I predict will come true in the next 10-15 games……We’ll chat then

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 30, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Supes, you are a complete freaking idiot. As bad, clueless and as undisciplined as you think Francoeur’s approach at the plate is, your posts have consistently been just as bad, clueless and undisciplined. As punishment, DOB needs to teach you a lesson and send you back down to the minor leagues that are the Falcons blogs. You really can’t hack it here on this blog. Supes, no offense, but you really suck as a poster. There will be no Wurlitzer in your future. Do us all a favor. Find another blog to be stupid at.

By Wayne in Utah

June 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Does anybody in their right mind really think that Frank Wren or Bobby Cox would option Francouer to Richmond?

This is not the way things are handled on players who have proven to be able to drive in over 100 runs in previous years. If he were 35 years old, he might get released, depending on his contract (or not offered a new contract, as in the AJ situation).

Francouer really sux right now. How many times will we beat that bloodied carcass again today? You don’t send that guy down, you sit him for a day or two, and let him work through it. Your other choices are no better.

Unless there is some lingering injury we are unaware of, you just let him and the coaches work it out.

But heck no, not here on the MIB Blog. Let’s beat this poor dead horse until it looks more like a greasy spot in the road, why don’t we!!

And for those who are eternally jealous of guys like Mike Hampton, please get over it. cover in the next 4 days.

By KC

June 30, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

DOB: “[to say that Tex has Grossly underperformed until the last week or so] is a bit of an exaggeration.”

Ok, I’ll remove the “grossly” tag, and we’ll just say he’s merely underperformed until the last week or two. Either way, I think the point is still valid.

I was trying to point out why - even though this is pretty much the same lineup as the Braves featured in Aug/Sep of last year - the results haven’t been the same.

And the reasons are, again…

1 - The fact that Francoeur is caught in some sort of parallel universe.

2 - A BIG discrepancy between the Tex we saw in Aug/Sep, and the Tex we’ve seen most of this season so far.

3 - Injuries.

Now, I’m not trying to crucify Tex for his lackluster performance prior to the last homestand. I know it’s typical for Tex to start slow in April and May, but he then makes up for it over the remainder of the season.

My point is merely to say, again, there’s a huge difference between the Aug/Sep Tex, and the Tex we’ve seen this year (until recently).

I think we can all agree that the lineup the Braves featured in the last couple months of last season was pretty damned good. One of the top 2 or 3 in the league, at the very least.

If we can get THAT kind of offense going with the pithing we have… look out.

Tex has turned the corner, and as soon as this lineup heals up, the only remaining desprepancy between last year’s late-season lineup, and this one, will be Frenchy’s performance.

But even without Francoeur swinging the bat effectively, this lineup - with a little health and a locked in Mark Teixeira - can still score plenty of runs.

If you then add a Bay or a Nady ON TOP OF THAT… you’ll have a lineup at least as good as last year’s late-season lineup. And if we keep getting this kind of pitching, that would almost certainly be enough to realize a post-season berth.

By Supes

June 30, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Crazy Stats Katz…Wow, that hurts. I think I’ll go away now, since you don’t seem to like my posts:look:

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Snoopy69 we wont be talking in 15 days, because by then, your team will be 5 games below .500, and as it is usual, you will vanish from earth. You dont have enough testosterone in your blood to come here and blog with us when your team is behind us in the standings. Thats not being a fan, nor a man….. Being a fan is like getting married….. “healthy or not, rich or poor”. You wont get any respect here if you only log-in while muts are ahead. Try being a man and stand up to your words…….always, not only when things look good.

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

I’m just not sure how any objective observer can make the implication that the Braves are still in contention for the postseason this year. “Close” doesn’t win a trip to the playoffs, it falls short.GT

If you really are “just not sure” how an objective observer might deduce that the Braves are “close” at four games back with 79 to play, then you, sir, are not grasping the mathematics of this whole thing, are you? Oh, well.

Four games, 79 to play. If they win two of three against the Phillies this weekend, they’d be three games out of first place with 76 to play. Got it?

Get a clue, would ya?

By DAP

June 30, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

KC but do you think we are going to get bay or nady? or someone compareable?

do you really think its probable (not possible, because of course its possible) for THIS team, considering everything, to get into the postseason?

im just wondering if you think its more likely to happen than not to happen, because while i will continue to watch every game and cheer for my team, i think its unlikely for this team to win. luck of the draw this time for the braves. the future looks pretty good, but weve taken hit after hit this year, and its not looking good. what do you think?

By Supes

June 30, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

DOB

What is your personal opinion on the Chipper Jones injury. You see him everyday, talk to the man. Is it something that if he went to the DL and healed up, is it something that will be OK or will it bother him pretty much all year long until the off-season. I understand you are not a medical expert, but just give us your opinion if you don’t mind. You can tell a lot by someone’s bodylanguage, and since you see Chipper more than anyone on the blog…anything (even speculative opinion) would be appreciated.

Could you get a new blog going, just to speed it up a bit. It’s hard to load the pages with nearly 700 replies in this one and I guess the AJC doesn’t want to invest in some better servers.

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Tex has turned the corner, and as soon as this lineup heals up, the only remaining desprepancy between last year’s late-season lineup, and this one, will be Frenchy’s performance. KC

You can add to that:

1_Prado over Woodward.

2_Infante over Orr.

3_Better SP (far better).

4_Norton over Thorman (yes, he is better than Thorman, low BA, but not a sure out).

5_Kotsay and blanco over AJ.

6_BJ over Harris.

But…….Yunel has been a little less of an offensive weapon than Edgar use to be…..less clutch, less doubles, not sure but it looks to me les OPS.

By Efrim

June 30, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Four games, 79 to play. If they win two of three against the Phillies this weekend, they’d be three games out of first place with 76 to play. Got it?

Well, even if they got swept. 7 back with 76 to play still gives them a fair shot. But that would suck. In my mind, the Braves just need to avoid getting swept.

By Will

June 30, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Hey lets look at the bright side at least the Braves cant lose a 1 run game and we dont have to watch Frenchy flail around up there like a 6 year old t-ball player!

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

To anyone who thinks the Braves’ season is over:

Only five NL teams are over .500. Only three of those five have a positive run differential. Only six NL teams have a positive run differential. (10 AL teams have a positive run differential and 10 are over .500.)

The NL is not exactly full of teams that can run away with playoff berths. Again, not saying it’s a sure thing at all, but the Braves have just as good a chance as anyone of making the playoffs. I’d argue that only the Cubs, Phillies and Cardinals have significantly better chances than the Braves.

By coach k

June 30, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

SAME OLE LAME EXCUSES WHEN WILL IT OCCURE TO ANYONE THAT IT IS NOW TIME FOR A CHANGE GET RID OF COX AND TAKE FRENCHY WITH YOU OR AT LEAST SEND HIM TO THE MINORS. MGMT IS TAKING A VERY GOOD TEAM,EVEN WITH THE INJURIES AND MAKING THEM AVERAGE AND THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, WHERE IN THE ** IS THE PASSION, THIS TEAM IS SO PREDICATABLE. ENOUGH TIME TO TAKE THIS DIVISION, BUT A SHAKEUP IS NEEDED AND IF NOT PLAN ON 3RD IN THE DIVISION, NO TEX, AND ANOTHER BLOWN YR

By 1957 Braves Fan

June 30, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

The Braves have alraedy been shut out 7 times this season and have scored 2 or fewer runs 23 times. We need timely hitting to go with the great pitching. It looks like another frustrating season.

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN: NEW BLOG FOUND

By Brandon

June 30, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

I like the rumors for signing Bonds for the second half, especially since Yunel and Chipper are hurting. His offense could make up for his defense and his defense is not “terrible”, just shaky. Bonds only wants the league minimum. What do the bRaves have to lose the second half???? Sign him and make a serious run…we’re only 4 back!

By MK

June 30, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

I read that the Red Sox have had 11 players on the DL and they are in 1st! I know that the Braves have had their share of injuries, however lets please stop talking about it on every blog and broadcast. Everyone who follows the Braves is aware of this. It really sounds like an excuse and excuses lead to no fall ball. Cox needs to hit and run more to manufacture runs, basically just manage better.

I really think that he can’t see the forest for the trees. He and the media must raise their expectations of this ball club and get fired up.

We have the talent on the field we are just not managing it properly. Look at Florida! Our players get complacent knowing that Cox will stay with them, even when they are not producing, and he does, way too long.

Did I miss something in spring training “Corky Miller”!

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Well, I really did file a new blog, but I don’t know that it’s going to show up. Extremely slow internet here at Toronto airport on my broadband card, and we’ve got to get on now. I don’t see the blog, and if it’s there, I don’t know if coding will be right or if a bunch will be bolded or italicized. Good luck.

Later

By brent a.

June 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Okay, Braves fans, as we sit here mired in mediocrity, the Detroit Free Press runs a brief article on our new hero, Jair Jurrjens.

from the Freep

Note the comments below the article. One of the poster complains about why the Freep continues to discuss Jurrjens, even though he’s gone.

Another complains about Edgar, which reminds me of something.

When we first got Edgar, I remember hearing commentators say that everywhere Renteria goes, his team wins.

But, we failed to win the division 2 straight years with Edgar (after winning 14 straight), and the Tigers had a horrible first two months of the season. Just something to consider.

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

1957 Braves Fan, eight teams have been shut out 7 or more times this season, including contenders like the White Sox, Tigers, A’s and Dodgers.

Only seven teams have scored 2 or fewer runs less than 20 times. I wouldn’t say it’s all that telling that the Braves have done it 23 times.

By Lou Vales

June 30, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Dear Nolie, Played high school sports—probably just like most others on this board and probably to the same level of competence—-so I was never traumatized by jocks. What does traumatize me at this PRESENT TIME is the realization that about 93% of us are approaching deep do do(can I say that??)in an economy that may soon be labeled Hooveresque and YET there are so many who are so oblivious as to still be fixated on the trading possibilities of the Atlanta Braves.

Now what I’ve said so many times still goes—If you’re 50 and above with a paid off mortgage, some significantly placed, conservatively invested(whatever that is now)assets, no credit card debt, no leveraged depreciable assets__your car should be paid for—, adequate life and health insurance, hopefully some long term care insurance, kids’ college provided for—-THEN by all means if you wish concern yourself with the machinations of Scott Boras and Tex, BUT if you fit mostly NONE of those previous criteria do you really not see that you are utilizing an escape mechanism that is ultimately going to provide you absolutely no relief if the blank of this economy ultimately runs into that fan??

Should you really be rooting for some clown to make 15 million a year more than the preeminent cancer research specialist. And before you say they are entertainers, THEN realize they damn well better be ENTERTAINING which gives the audience the right to really unleash some vitirol if they don’t. AND entertainers say “The Show Must Go On” they don’t sit on their dead bottoms—some for years!!!——while doing nothing. Because every other ENTITY in this country requires service be provided for compensation with the exception of Major League Baseball players—a few NFL players, but most of their wages are not guaranteed.

By Lou Vales

June 30, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Forgot to mention, they always say it’s a business and that they are entertainers. So PLEASE, someone, anyone tell me who Michael Hampton has entertained since he arrived in Atlanta?? I’m sure his family, close friends, and long term future relatives 3 generations out have been entertained,BUT anyone close to the Hampton family?? And as far as baseball being a business, what possible business has Michael Hampton been involved in?? Rehab of an injury is not a business, UNLESS you are providing the rehab. So we have no entertainment provided, no business engaged in—I’m telling you this takes The American Dream somewhere it was never meant to go.

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Shaun I dont like phillies chances to make playoff better than other NL east teams. I think everybody but the nats have better SP than the phillies. Im not sure, but I think their BP is starting to get tired……You know SP rule and they dont have it. Hitting slumps more frequently than any other aspect of the game, and theirs is right now, and it might not be the last time this year.

They have been one of the healthiest team in the league this year and they have not been able to take off. Look for others to catch up.

If there is any truth in the saying that 2nd half belongs to the hitting because innings catch up with pitching staffs, that would help up the braves in a big way.

By jim

June 30, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

I agree with some earlier posters that the level of reasoned discussion has sunk to new depths on this blog.

Fact: The Braves had 10 healthy regulars (counting Corky) for this series in Toronto. There was no ability to bench Francouer, bat for Lillibridge in the 6th, or make any other similar moves. A J Burnett had the stuff yesterday to shut down the lineup even if all of the regulars were playing. Sometimes the Braves don’t lose a game, the other team wins one!

The battle in the 6th inning between McCann and Burnett was classic. Burnett won it — tip of the hat to him. That said, there has been a steady erosion of McCann’s average over the past 3-4 weeks. He needs time off, but with the lineup in flux and Corky as his substitute, the Braves haven’t been able to give it to him. The need for a backup catcher is as pressing as the need for another outfield bat. Again, as I posted yesterday, if the defense of the first-string catcher is average at best, why is it so important that the defense of the backup has to be as good or better?

Several people have already responded to the assinine suggestion to fire Wren. The only thing I would like to add to that analysis is that even the signing of Soriano to the two year contract cannot be faulted. Since the elbow flare up, Soriano has been repeatedly checked and no major problem yet discovered. A check up at the time of the signing would not likely to have caused any significant red flag that would have prevented that signing.

Lillibridge is clearly not ready for prime time. He is up here only because of the injuries to 4 other middle infielders. Let’s not throw him under the bus. He was over matched by a guy with some of the best stuff in the majors when he is on (as he was). Even the more competent hitters were over matched by Burnett yesterday.

Shaffer has played only a month above single A. From the reports he still needs work against lefthanded pitchers. He should not be rushed to the majors before he is ready, and is not likely to be an immediate answer to our outfield problems. Even if he were to come up and make an immediate impact, that may not be best for his long-term future. (Consider the current RF, for example)

Nobody is happy with the current state of the team, but the rants to do something should not degenerate into a desperate cry to do something stupid!

By flange1

June 30, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Lou Vales,

So am I hearing you right, you think pro sports in general is bogus because the athletes make too much money?

And that folks should not be interested in entertainment until their house is paid off and they are financially secure?

I understand what you are saying, I just am not sure I see your point.

Is this some philosophical debate about ignorant Americans not paying attention to the most important things in life?

You have me a bit curious!

By StingerSplash

June 30, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

From a glass half full perspective: There are one or two teams in the NL East capable of running away and hiding, but they are also very tragically flawed, so the odds are against the Phils, Mets or roly poly fish heads (eat them up yum! - from the song “fish heads” … but I digress) doing so. If Chipper is out for an extended length of time (another two weeks, since they can DL retroactively to immediately after his last game appearance, no?), then, yes, the Braves have a mighty hill to climb. But they are right in there and have the Phils - who have looked awful lately - coming into town. Remember too that guys who might play once a week and might get 4-5 ABs a week, including pinch hitting spots, are getting 20-25 ABs a week now because of injuries. Somebody (paging Mr. Francoeur, perhaps) has to pick up the slack with Tex and McCann. Look at the Red Sox. Big Papi goes down and hasn’t been available for a month and they haven’t missed a beat. (Who are you and what have you done with J.D. Drew?) Plus, anybody who saw the Tigers the first month of the season saw a truly wretched team. Leyland probably went through a carton a day in the dugout watching that train wreck. Without much overhauling of personnel - and with losing 2/5 of their starting staff, Bonderman (injury) and Willis (strike zone issues) - they are right back in it. But this next week is critical. The Braves have got to hold their ground until they get healthy. You add Chipper, Escobar and Kotsay back to the lineup, it’s like making a big trade without having to give anybody up.

By GT

June 30, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

DOB: “Four games, 79 to play. If they win two of three against the Phillies this weekend, they’d be three games out of first place with 76 to play. Got it? Get a clue, would ya?”

I’m searching for clues and don’t see any in the Braves performance thus far this season. If they win 2 of three against the Phillies as you supposed, they’re still two games under .500.

You can go try and find any current stretch this season the Braves are on thru today, and they’re only .500 AT BEST. 2-2 in their last 4, 4-4 in their last 8. They are no better than .500. You can’t win the division with this kind of performance. Do you really think this team is capable of rattling off a sustained period of .600-type play? I wish they were, but looking at it objectively I don’t see how.

I think all the “clues” point to this case being closed.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 30, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

I understand what you are saying, I just am not sure I see your point. Is this some philosophical debate about ignorant Americans not paying attention to the most important things in life?

Flange1, pay Lou Vales no mind. He’s a bored, lonely old man with nothing to say and no one to listen to him. He thinks he’s giving sage advice. Unfortunately, for him, there’s nothing profound about what he says. His silly rants are nothing more than the mindless blather of a confused 14 year old pretending to be wise beyond his years.

By DAP

June 30, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

i think adding kotsay to the bottom of the lineup is going to help tremendously. we have really missed him, i think…it seemed like everytime burnett got in trouble yesterday, he was facing gotay, lillibridge, frenchy or norton. three of those guys were never expected to do anything but pinch hit!

i hope we see 1. blanco LF 2. escobar SS 3. johnson 2B 4. TEX 1B 5. Mccann C 6. kotsay CF 7. Frenchy 8. gotay 3B

by the way, there is no chance we see frenchy sitting with the team the way it is now. hes gonna have to play his way out of it.

By KC

June 30, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

DAP: “KC but do you think we are going to get bay or nady? or someone compareable? Do you really think its probable (not possible, because of course its possible) for THIS team, considering everything, to get into the postseason?”

DAP, IF the Braves can get and stay reasonably healthy, then yes, I like the Braves to win the east.

The pitching is there. It’s just a question of scoring runs.

If we can get Chipper back in a week or so, and he doesn’t miss more than… say, 10 games after that… and Gonzo and all other key players remain reasonably healthy, then I think we’ve got a great chance.

Even when healthy, the lineup really didn’t fire on all cylinders because of Tex’s slow start, and Frenchy’s mega-slump.

Well, Frenchy doesn’t appear to be any better off, but Tex sure does, and that’s huge!!

Yes, I think the Braves will add another solid hitter. Whether that will be a good hitter, or a great hitter like Bay or Nady, I don’t know… but I’m pretty confident that Wren will bolster the offense in some way.

But as long as Tex is hitting, if this lineup can get healthy, we’ll score plenty of runs to win, with or without adding another big bat.

By KC

June 30, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Brandon: There are no rumors of the Braves signing Bonds. Just blog conversation. Nothing more. No credible inklings from any media source that the Braves are thinking about Bonds.

Don’t worry though… if we can get the lineup healthy, we’ll be in great shape. And if another bat is needed, we’ll probably go out and get it.

but it ain’t gonna be Barry Bonds.

By ncscoots

June 30, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

…and YET there are so many who are so oblivious as to still be fixated on the trading possibilities of the Atlanta Braves.

Wrong forum, wrong assumptions, wrong message. Posting to a blog such as this one is not prima facie evidence that said posters are oblivious to any of the things you mention; that any of their priorities are skewed; or that they use sports as their opiate of the masses. That you can read such characteristics into the action of blogging is more a signpost toward your own subjective bonnet-buzzers, and, certainly, conveys a certain obtuseness about the concept of “context”.

Simply put, you’ve chosen a cornfield for planting cotton, and, while that’s not a catastrophic decision, I wouldn’t expect much to grow there…regardless of how much you water and fertilize.

And please, don’t give us the age thing, anymore. You’re giving us boomers a bad name with that.

By BA

June 30, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

More irrelevant rhetoric from Lou Vale’s pea-brained mind. He’s come up with a tenth way to say the same thing that has nothing to do with anything discussed here. GET OVER IT! It’s none of your business what kind of “do-do” anybody’s in. You’re in no position to judge anyone else. No one cares if you do. Please, just eat through your IV’s and get the orderly to roll you over and stuff a sock in it.

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Doc Holliday, actually if you look at their ERA+ (ERA adjusted for league and ballpark), their ERA is about 13 percent better than league average.

The Phillies’ ERA+ is actually slightly better than the Braves’.

Plus the Phillies are second to the Cubs in the NL in run differential.

Sure they are struggling of late but no matter which way you slice it they are the team to beat in the NL East so far this season.

By John

June 30, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

MK. Hate to break it to you but the Red Sox are in 2nd place. Not first.

By jim

June 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

The look on Cox’s face yesterday when Francouer came back to the dugout after not trying to advance the runner from 2nd spoke volumes. I think he was as ticked off as all of the rest of us and didn’t try to hide it. I think (hope) we see an outfield of Kotsay, Blanco, and B. Jones tomorrow night against the right handed starter.

By KC

June 30, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Shaun: How exactly are calculations made to account for the ballpark???

Regardless of how we look at the season totals to date, the fact of the matter is that the Braves’ pitching is easily better than Philadelphia’s right now.

Hamels and Hudson are a wash. After that, would you rather have…

Moyer, Kendrick, Eaton, and Myers

or

Jurrjens, Reyes, Campillo, and Morton

As long as Gonzo remains healthy, both teams have lock-down closers. The Phillies do, admittedly, have an advantage in middle-relief, but not enough to counterbalance the edge the Braves have in starting pitching.

As for either team getting help at the deadline… a quality starter is a helluva lot harder to come by than a quality middle-reliever.

If the Braves can get healthy soon, they will have a better team than the Phillies. And I am willing to wager on that.

By BossLady

June 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Shamus my prayers are with you and your mother. You’re alright my man.

By KC

June 30, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

DAP: To piggyback on what I was saying earlier about the Braves having enough offense – if healthy, even without adding another big bat, please see the following.

Just to show the kind of lineup we have when we can get everyone healthy and hitting.. let’s project the 08 numbers of each everyday player over 550 at-bats.

Escobar: .296, 11 HR, 56, RBI, .372 OBP

Kotsay: .294, 13 HR, 65 RBI

Jones: .394, 35 HR, 101 RBI

Teixeira: .273, 29 HR, 113 RBI

McCann: .294, 28 HR, 90 RBI, 45 doubles

Johnson: .282, 14 HR, 69 RBI, 43 doubles

Francoeur: .239, 13 HR, 68 RBI, 32 doubles

I’m not saying each will finish with these totals (and in Tex’s case, his numbers will probably be even better)… I’m just putting into perspective the kind of hitters we have in this lineup when everyone’s healthy.

That’s 3 guys (Chipper, Tex, and McCann) that – if they each got 550 ABs – would total over 100 homers and 300 RBI (while each hitting close to or better than .300)… and 3 other very solid hitters (Escobar, KJ, and Kotsay).

Even without Frenchy producing, that lineup can score plenty of runs to win… especially when it’s backed by a league-best pitching staff.

So even if the Braves don’t acquire another big bat, they have plenty of offense here (now that Tex is hitting), if they can just get/stay reasonably healthy.

By McFann©

June 30, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Jim—

I have to agree with you about McCann. Over the past 3 weeks (dating back to June 10), he’s played 17 games plus a PH. Over that time span, he’s hit .261 with 2 homers, 4 2B, 8 RBI, 2 BB, 14 SO, 1 SB, and 1 HBP. During that time, his average has gone from .306 to .295.

For the whole month of June, here are the numbers:

4 2B, 5 HR, 13 RBI, 7 BB, 16 SO, 1 SB, 3 HBP, .320 OBP, .456 SLG, .244 AVG.

This month has seen his AVG drop from .319 to .295 (that’s 24 points).

I wish I had his defensive stats for the month of June, but I do know this: He entered the month with no errors and no passed balls, and he exits it with 3 of each.

By MK

June 30, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

John thanks they are a half game back. They were in first yesterday…

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

KC I agree with you in your last 2 posts.

By TexasBrave

June 30, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

jim although I hope you are right, I just can’t see Bobby sitting him out tomorrow. That is just not Bobby’s style. He tends to stick with those that have contributed in the past to see if they can get themselves out of their own funk. Perfect example was Andruw Jones last year. I agree with DOB that he has “thought” about sitting him out but that is about all.

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

KC, I’m using baseballreference.com’s ERA+.

ERA+ - the ratio of the league’s ERA (adjusted to the pitcher’s ballpark) to that of the pitcher. > 100 is above average and < 100 is below average. lgERA / ERA

I agree that the Braves probably have the edge in starting pitching and the Phillies have the edge in relief pitching. And I’m not sure the Phillies pitching is any better than the Braves in spite of their ERA+ numbers but I do think the staff’s are closer that it appears on the surface because of the Phillies’ home park.

Look at it this way, the Phillies rank third in the league in fewest runs allowed while playing half their games in an extreme hitter’s park. You don’t need ERA+ to see that the Phillies’ staff is pretty darn good, too.

By coach k

June 30, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

‘as I have said all yr this is a good team, era is the bet in the National league and if the bull pen could come in with some runs to work with they wouldn’t have to be so perfect. The problem is we do not do the little things that win championships, 1 in that 14yr run is ludicrous and unacceptable. We need to be better at the plate in moving runners and getting them in, small ball and cox and pendleton are to blame, bench frenchy and get us a backup catcher and we will be jsut fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Regardless of how we look at the season totals to date, the fact of the matter is that the Braves’ pitching is easily better than Philadelphia’s right now.

I’m not so sure it’s as clear-cut as you think. The Phillies are only .23 runs ahead of the Braves in ERA and 14 runs ahead of the Braves in runs allowed. And, again, the Phillies play half their games in an extreme hitter’s park. Again, you don’t need ERA+ or any advanced statistic to see that the Phillies and Braves’ pitching staffs are pretty darn close.

By DAP

June 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

KC ok. i would say that it is possible the braves win the east…and i hope it happens, but its not probable. the braves have taken alot of hits, and it would take a miracle for them to come back from them to win the division.

By jim

June 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Ave Louscious Valus!! The obsession of the masses with their games and circuses is diverting their minds from the more serious challenges that the empire is facing!

By brent a.

June 30, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

I’m searching for clues and don’t see any in the Braves performance thus far this season. If they win 2 of three against the Phillies as you supposed, they’re still two games under .500.

Would you rather be 2 games over .500 and 4 games out, or 2 games under .500 and 3 games out?

At the end of the day, what matters is how your record compares to your competitors, no matter what that record is.

Almost no one on here is trying to say that the Braves are good. But, regardless of their performance, you can’t ignore basic facts, like being only 4 games out of first, despite the record.

And sure, we haven’t shown strong signs; but, all the past does is place us 4 games out of first. The future performance will determine how many games out we are at the end of the season.

Hey, I agree that we are an average team, and have been for several years now; but, that still does not change the fact that we are 4 games back at the present time.

By Chop Chop

June 30, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

The Phils have been terrible recently, but they still have a winning record on the road. They really took it on the chin out in L.A., Oakland and Texas, but they’re 22-21 on the road as they come into Turner Field tomorrow.

I think this Yahoo Phillies team report has some decent info for those interested in reading it. It sounds like Charlie Manuel might be considering several options for a starter to replace Brett Myers in Thursday’s game, possibly calling up a minor leaguer, using reliever Chad Durbin for a spot start or starting Cole Hamels on regular rest.

By Cecil34

June 30, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Mr. Lou Vales

I have been reading your postings on a blog set up for Braves fans to speculate and prognosticate about their fortunes, both good and bad, player performances and possible player transactions.

Nowhere did DOB (The blog administrator) ever indicate that this blog was an acceptable forum for socio-economic analysis beyond the immediate realm of Atlanta Braves baseball.

Postulating on how much Tex makes or may make in the future is part of the daily baseball speculation that occurs here, all in good humor.

Frankly, for 99.9% of all bloggers on here it matters not one iota what he makes or stands to make in reality.

The relative worth of Tex or any other player salary-wise was long ago determined by a Mr. Curt Flood.

I had no control over that decision, as you did not, therefore the bigger socio-economic impact which is in reality not limited to baseball, is better suited to other forums.

Please Sir, locate and utilize those.

We do all have lives, and if you say we don’t because we blog on here and discuss such matters, then very obviously you don’t either or you would not be on here.

I think that a more likely scenario is that you are tongue-in-cheek trying to stir up a slow day on the ol’ blog.

If not, then I have deep concerns for your mental health, as this is a Braves blog about baseball matters, not National or World crises.

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Shaun phillies are that close to braves ERA just because they have some 3-4 relievers that have been lights out…..well above average. Thats all.

By BossLady

June 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

DOB, I think your new blog is being held in customs.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Good point Bosslady. I think DOB’s new blog was trying to smuggle some of those Cuban cigars through customs.

By BossLady

June 30, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

I thought I explained this last week for those of you who want to dwell on the salaries of MLB players.

They have multi-millions of clients or customers in attendance all year.

In an average job if you have 2500 to 5000 customers you live very well.

The huge amount of money being earned by MLB and what the players are getting is just a portion.

It’s big business, either you understand it or you don’t. Too Bad

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

phillies are that close to braves ERA just because they have some 3-4 relievers that have been lights out…..well above average. Thats all.

Doc Holliday, what’s your point? Basically you are saying the Phillies have a good pitching staff because they have good pitchers. Which isn’t really saying much except the same thing that I’m saying: The Phillies pitching staff is pretty good.

By MGL

June 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

I guess the new blog is lost in toronto like the offense.

Has anyone seen the stats for Reid Gorecki at Miss? He is a RH OF, with BA .340, OBP .395, SLG .495. A Minor league free agent picked up from the Cards in May. He had washed out for some reason. Wonder if he is fixed and could platoon with Frenchy. btw, night stats are significantly better than day.

By Doc Holliday

June 30, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Shaun

Im saying phillies “good” ERA is due to their relievers, they have been light out and they have tons of innings pitch, enough to affect the team ERA in a very positive way.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 30, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

McFann,

Interesting (and somewhat ominous) June stats from Heap.

I was hoping he could DH during the AL road series but injuries to Chipper and Bobby’s insistence on getting ABs for Norton scotched that.

And you can’t give Heap a day off because you’d be giving away outs at two positions (catcher and right field).

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but why is Corky Miller on this team rather than a backup catcher you could actually play without waving a white flag to the opposition?

KC,

I’m in total agreement with you that the Braves, when healthy, have an offense that will score plenty of runs. When a couple of key regulars (mainly Chipper) can’t play, the dropoff by the replacements is significant. The offense isn’t any good if he and even one other regular are out of the lineup.

If the Braves aren’t planning to get another bat, then the season probably rides on Chipper’s health and in the ability of McCann to catch another 70-75 games without any falloff in his offense.

By James

June 30, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Mental Institutions have internet and those patients probably have a favorite baseball team. Why is it our luck that the majority of the mentally ill post here? Coach can you and Robert help us with that question?

By BravesFanInRockies

June 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

BTW KC,

Given your projections, Frenchy would hit 5 HR and drive in 27 runs in the second half.

Yikes.

By Shaun

June 30, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Im saying phillies “good” ERA is due to their relievers, they have been light out and they have tons of innings pitch, enough to affect the team ERA in a very positive way.

Doc, isn’t that redundant? All good teams are “good” due to their players performing well. You are just saying the same thing I’m saying, that the Phillies are good.

The Phillies’ pitching staff is good because a lot of their pitchers have performed well, just like the Braves’ pitching staff is good because a lot of their pitchers have performed well.

It’s kind of like saying the 1927 Yankees were a great offense because their hitters performed very well. There’s redundancy there. It would be silly to say the 1927 Yankees weren’t really a great offensive team, only that their hitters performed very well.

By flange1

June 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

KC and others,

On paper, I am in complete agreement with y’all that the Braves are still in this thing and have a great chance of winning the division.

I know that there have been a ton of injuries that have made it difficult for the team to get into any groove.

And that is what is bothering me about this team. They can’ get any sort of streak going. In past years they have gotten hot and won 5 or 6 series in a row.

This team has not been able to do that.

I know the response will be, when the walking wounded get better, the team will be at closer to full strength and THEN will start winning series.

I guess I can buy that, but it is hard it is a hard argument to buy when the team has not showed the ability so far this season to win multiple series in a row.

My feelings are that the team, the team that will be on the field tomorrow night, has got to start playing better and finding ways to win.

The 2007 and 2008 Braves so far are great at finding ways to lose, they need to change that if there is any chance about “getting back into the race.”

By DAP

June 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

doc i get what youre saying, and i think shaun does to. hes giving you a hard time. i asked him weeks ago when we were having a similar convo for stats specifically about the starting rotations of the phillies and the braves, and he wouldnt do it.

shaun doc is saying the the middle relievers make the WHOLE group look good, when really, the starters arent good, but the relief is. the braves situation is reversed, good starter, relievers not as good.

By monty

June 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Lou Vales

My 1st chance to respond to your response of my response to your criticism of Bobby Cox. Your reasoning for Cox being a failure as a manager goes something like this: he had great players and he couldn’t win the big one, but once.

My response to that reasoning is that if having great players and not winning it all makes you a rotten coach then conversely if Cox is starting in essence 3-4 minor leagers every game and the pitching corps have been decimated by injuries then you can’t criticize Cox’s coaching this year. After all he didn’t have “great players” starting.

If having great players is the only criteria for Bobby receiving accolades then by your own definition he can’t be criticized severly for having inferior players.

In what other arena of life would you consider the boss the fall guy and not a hero for taking his corporation to the utter most heights of financial success,and respect among peers, especially for 14 years in a row?

How would a college basketball coach be considered who took his team to the Final 4 every year for 14 consecutive years, reguardless if they only won the Big One once? Would there be some dissapointment? Sure! But that coach would be revered by all who know anything about the game. Even if that program were Duke or North Carolina or Kentucky, who always get the best players.

In no other area of life would such a successful coach be looked down on with such disdain as you do and others on Bobby Cox. Just keeping complacency from setting in every year is reason enough to praise Cox. You would think that after 5 straight years complacency would set in, or what about after 10 years? Wouldn’t you think it would set in then? What about after 13 years? No, not yet! Why? Ask yourself that question. What kind of Coach does it take to keep that from happening? A bad one? Are you freaking kidding me? Name another team in any division in any professional sport who has experienced the success of the Atlanta Braves under Cox’s reign. You cant Lou! Not in all of sports. If you want to criticize the way Bobby managed a game, sure, have at it. I’ll join you, but don’t be so ridiculous as to say Bobby Cox isn’t who his credentials say he is. One fantastic coach!

Was Bc the best strategist in a 3 out of 5 series or a 4 or 7? Obviusly no! But who was the very best coach over 14 consecutive regular season games? Only one: Bobby Cox.

By Chop Chop

June 30, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Seems to me that the Phillies’ rotation would be fine if they could replace Brett Myers with a starter who can give them major league caliber pitching on the road. Myers is flat-out killing them away from home (0-6 in 9 starts with an 8.18 ERA; he’s allowed 72 H and 13 HR in only 47.2 road IP).

By BravesFanInRockies

June 30, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

New blog is finally up, btw.

By David O'Brien

June 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG FINALLY UP. Toronto airport filing didn’t work, I guess. I saw it when I landed here, that it wasn’t up.

Even if that program were Duke or North Carolina or Kentucky, who always get the best players.Monty

Kansas, Monty. KU, not UK (even though Rupp Arena is named after a Kansas man)

By ncscoots

June 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

flange1, it’s hard for me to become unnerved about the Braves’ inability to get on a roll, because they haven’t been able to put their best 25 on the field once this year. Heck, they can’t seem to start their best EIGHT on the field at one time, LOL.

I don’t know if the team will be able to overcome the injury losses of this year or not, because I don’t know if a lineup consisting of the entire blasted bench can tread enough water to keep them afloat. I do know that expecting such a lineup to rip off 6 out of 7 is probably asking too much.

The Braves need position players to get healthy and actually playing, that’s no newsflash. This year’s fortunes will turn on whether a healthier team has enough time left for the health to matter, I think. The later it becomes, the more out of their skulls they’ll have to play.

By Bobby's Cox

June 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

DOB

It took me quite a while to get updated on the blog, and I saw numerous people mention Kotsay, but I got the impression from reading the blog this morning that no one had a clue. I think more people than not focus more on the blog than your game stories. Sorry. Maybe you can do more to get more hits on those stories.

Go ahead and CTRL+F (find on page) Kotsay’s name and read the language of the blog regarding Kotsay, and tell me that you get the impression that people KNEW he was going to play on Tuesday even as late as 8,9,10 pm last night.

I posted it because people sounded unsure in their posts, but what I read sounded like it was for sure. If it was reinforcing what you said, then why the anger and comparison to Coach? Thanks DOB. Again, when i posted that it wasn’t mentioned HERE, i was talking more about the bloggers, not you DOB.

BTW, I usually do read your game stories, but I didn’t yesterday. Sorry about that DOB. I didn’t mean to throw you under the bus. When I’m away from the computer, i stay updated on the team with my Blackberry Braves Link, which links me to the Braves website.

Given the relationship you and Bowman have, particulary jokes about his weight issues, etc… it looks like large guy Bowman had reported quicker. Bowman reported it in his 1:59 ET article, and when he has his article titled “Kotsay to Return, Moving Blanco to Left” I’m going to read it. I assumed based on the language on the blog, midgame and post game, that no one knew.

Please don’t include me in your Coach rants. BTW, i like you more than Bowman and your writing skills blow his out of the water. Keep up the good work DOB. You do a heck of a job covering this team, much better than and with more info than Bowman.

By Lou Vales

June 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Jim nailed it.

I also don’t begrudge premeire athletes who can put a team on their backs and lead them to heights the team couldn’t attain without them. My problem is paying a 42 year old lefthander from Billerica, Mass—who is basically a fraustrated union organizer—anything with the word million in it, OR even now speculating on bringing back a true warrior(if there is such a thing in sports) with 6!!!!!!!!! anchors driven into his labrum, with a past injury of arm, shoulder and elbow problems—and you would probably graciously fork over 5 million to him for an unknown 2009. Doesn’t anybody think this is crazy. If Smoltz, Glavine and Hampton were the CEO’s of failed companies that had not obtained results in latter years and they got these kinds of sendoffs for BASICALLY NOTHING—Most of you would go crazy about the sheer, unadulterated gall of the whole thing.

Again—Right or Wrong???

And if you let Boras hustle and weave his mystical magic to get Tex a blockbuster deal, you will be raising Hell come 09 faster than Andruw Jones can chase a slider in the dirt.

By Robert

June 30, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

“But who was the very best coach over 14 consecutive regular season games? Only one: Bobby Cox”

That is ridiculous. What made him the best coach? The ability to beat all of 4 other teams every year with a rotation boasting three future first ballot HOFers.

If you got a team and Bobby Cox can take it to the playoffs, then you can bet any name in the phone book that aint Valentine or Hargrove could take them to the playoffs too. And if he did it 14 times in a row, then any GOOD manager coulda done it at least 14 million times in a row

By monty

July 1, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Robert

I too share your frustration with the Braves underacheiving in the playoffs. BUt seriously dude, the Braves weren’t the only team with future Hall of Famers on it during those 14 years. They weren’t even the only team that boasted several All-Stars during those years but go outside of our division and name another team that even approached ATL’s success in any sport,(other teams just have to beat up on four other teams also but they didn’t year in and year out)teams that had great players too. THe Braves were the modicum of success! TO say it was just the players and not the front office , not Bobby Cox is preposterous. Lok at all the teams that are one and done and then consider the Braves.