Braves need an R.E.M.-like resurgence

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By David O'Brien | Sunday, June 22, 2008, 01:36 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Gregg Allman’s “I’m No Angel” is playing on the stadium loudspeakers and Mark Kotsay is taking full-on cuts in the batting cage. That’s a pretty good start to a Sunday morning for me and for the Braves.

But Kotsay’s still at least a few days from returning. And I know you’re more interested in a couple others among the Braves’ walking wounded.

First, Chipper Jones is status quo. Day-to-day after his surprising pinch-hit appearance (and huge single) last night. Quad’s still messed up, and no word when he might be back in the lineup. But they obviously aren’t thinking DL, or he wouldn’t have hit last night.

Yunel Escobar’s is also unchanged. He’s got a strained hip flexor, injured Friday night. He ran well in his pinch-hit appearance last night, but he’s still sore and “not ready to play,” he said. He took BP and infield today, though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s back in the lineup as soon as tomorrow.

Bobby Cox said the trainers have told him it’s a touchy injury, though, in that if he injures it any worse, if he tears it, he’d be out a couple months. So they’re testing him daily, doing strength tests, and also stressing to him the importance of being honest about how much discomfort there is in the hip.

Ruben Gotay is at third base and Omar Infante is back at shortstop after his uncharacteristic first-inning defensive gaffes last night. “Infante is a very good shortstop,” Cox said today, surely aware of what folks are thinking after watching those mistakes the veteran utility man made last night.

(Personally, I think Infante is strong defensively at every position he’s played. Just had an awful night. It happens.)

Why no Brent Lillibridge in the lineup? I think the Braves are trying to be careful and not throw him in there and have him go 0-for-4 again like he did in each of his two games when thrust into the lineup earlier this season at N.Y.

The Lil’ Bridge had a couple of three-hit games before he was called up, but he was still hitting .207 with 55 strikeouts in 208 at-bats at Richmond. He’s insurance right now because he can play three infield positions and even some outfield in a pinch.

Oh, and what’s this? No Jeff Francoeur in right field? Yes, it’s true.

Francouer is out of the lineup and Greg Norton is in RF. I asked Bobby and he said he told Francoeur in Texas last week that he was going to rest him in this Sunday day game. “He needs a breather,” Cox said.

Francoeur’s got some black-and-blue marks on his left arm where he was hit by pitches the last two nights, near the elbow and hand. He’s also got bruises on his shin from fouling a couple balls off.

Regardless of all that, most observers (including this one) would suggest he needs a day or two off because he’s struggling. Mightily.

Since May 27, Francoeur has hit .214 (21-for-98) with three homers, nine RBI and a .287 OBP in 25 games. The Braves are 9-16 in those games, and while there are many reasons for the losses, his lack of production is among those reasons.

He’s 4-for-32 with one walk and seven strikeouts in his past eight games, and in his past eight home games Francoeur is 6-for-33 with more double plays grounded into (two) than extra-base hits (one).

Brandon Jones is in right field today.

From frosty to sizzling: That’s what the Braves will see in the range of starting pitchers they’ll face today and tomorrow — the skidding Carlos Silva (3-5, 5.79 ERA) today and the streaking Ben Sheets (8-1, 2.74) in tomorrow’s series opener against the Brew Crew.

Silva’s overall numbers don’t reflect just how terrible he’s been lately. The man is 0-8 with an 8.49 ERA in his past nine starts, including losses in his past five starts. He is the coldest starting pitcher in baseball right now.

Sheets, on the other hand, is having a career season (he hasn’t been hurt, which is almost amazing). He’s given up more than three earn runs only twice in 14 starts, which is really, really good. He’s 4-0 with a 2.11 ERA in his past five starts, and he hasn’t lost on the road (5-0, 2.62 ERA in nine starts, with 48 strikeouts and 15 walks).

Then there are his numbers against the Braves. Oh, my.

Sheets is 8-3 in 11 starts against the Braves, including 6-1 with a 3.20 ERA in his past seven. In those seven starts he’s piled up a stunning 62 strikeouts with only six walks in 50-2/3 innings. Yes, 62 K’s, 6 walks in 50-2/3 innings.

He’s won all of his past five starts against the Braves, getting more than seven support runs per nine innings in that stretch.

R.E.M. is truly “back”: If their most recent album, the very strong Accelerate, wasn’t enough to completely convince me that R.E.M. had reclaimed its status as one of top rock bands in the world, last night was.

The boys from Athens, Ga., put on a phenomenal show at Lakewood here in Atlanta last night. Seriously, this was a great rock concert.

By the end of their approximate two-hour performance, I had forgotten (and no longer really cared) that I’d missed The National’s opening set (even though I do love that band, too). Rock shows should not start when the sun is still blazing overhead, unless it’s an all-day festival show, the kind that most middle-aged working dudes like me no longer attend.

Anyway, Modest Mouse’s middle set was fine, about as good as you can expect from a band that has to fill an opening slot for the huge headliner, and thus usually must play with lesser equipment and without all the bells-and-wistles visual effects, etc.

But R.E.M. would’ve blown away most bands on this night, which I’m assuming was pretty indicative of how they’ve played on this entire tour. They rocked hard, folks. Forget that mostly bland period between the excellent New Adventures in Hi-Fi album and the “comeback” blast of “Accelerate.”

If they were in danger of slipping from relevance for many younger rock fans (and I admit, they had), then they have certainly stepped forward with this album and this tour and answered any skeptics and critics, at least any who are actually paying attention and listening to the music.

Not only did they play every solid song from the new album, but I was pleasantly surprised - make that thrilled - that they played so many of the older gems, including “Fall On Me,” (with the greant former Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr joining on guitar), “Pretty Persuasion,” “Rockville” “Driver 8,” “Orange Crush,” “What’s the Frequency, Kenneth?,” “Electrolite,” and a slightly speeded up, muscular version of “Harborcoat.” Sublime, it was.

I’ve seen R.E.M. 10 or 12 times since 1983, the year I saw them play at old Hoch Auditorium on campus at the University of Kansas, just after Murmur was released and was the hottest thing going on college radio.

Stipe had long, curly hair then, and kept his back to the audience for most of the show. Saw them every year for the next five or six years after that, as they’d release a new album annually - Murmur, Reckoning, Fables of the Reconstruction, Life’s Rich Pageant, Document, Green and tour annually.

While I have only vague memories of those shows, for some reason (ahem), I’ve got to say, I can’t recall the band ever being much better, much tighter, much more entertaining than they were last night. Honestly.

They had a truly remarkable run of high-integrity, high-grade and original rock and roll during the 1980s, no dud among those early albums. Other than Monster, they really didn’t have even a mediocre album until after drummer Bill Berry left the band for health reasons more than a decade later.

Now, after figuring I’d be one of the R.E.M. completists who buys every album they put out, regardless of critical reviews, on the day it’s released, for as long as they hung on, it’s been a really uplifting thing to see one of my very favorite all-time bands come back so strong.

These are musicians who are all older than me playing new songs so good that most younger, trendier, “edgier” bands with members half their age can only dream of ever producing if they stay together half as long as the boys from R.E.M. have. Not to mention the classics most of those bands will never produce.

More than 25 years later, R.E.M. is back kicking tail. For us of a certain age, who went to college in the early 1980s, that’s great stuff. Seeing them on that stage last night, doing their thing, it doesn’t get much better.

”LIVING WELL IS THE BEST REVENGE” by R.E.M.

It’s only when your poison spins into the life you’d hoped to live

and suddenly you wake up in a shaken panic now

You had set me up like a lamb to slaughter

Garbo as a farmer’s daughter

Unbelievable, the gospel according to who?

I lay right down.

All your sad and lost apostles

hum my name and flare their nostrils

Choking on the bones you tossed to them

now I’m not one to sit and spin

because living well’s the best revenge

Baby, I am calling you on that

Don’t turn your talking points on me.

History will set me free

The future is ours and you don’t even rate a footnote now!

So who’s chasing you? Where did you go?

You disappear mid-sentence

In a judgment crisis I see my in and go for it

You weakened shill.

All your sad and lost apostles

hum my name and flare their nostrils

Choking on the bones you tossed to them

now I’m not one to sit and spin

because living well is the best revenge

and baby, I am calling you on that

You savour your dying breath

I forgive but I don’t forget

You work it out, let’s hear that argument again

Camera three… GO NOW!

All your sad and lost apostles

hum my name and flare their nostrils

Choking on the bones you tossed to them

now I’m not one to sit and spin

because living well is the best revenge

and baby, I am calling you on that

Baby, I am calling you on that

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By All Hail the Cow

June 22, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

All bow to the new rally cow in left field. She really made her mark last night with that comeback win.

By flange1

June 22, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Thanks for the new blog! And thanks for the REM review. This is the first time I have missed them ever in Atlanta…

By snowball's chance

June 22, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Checking in from the Great Northwest where the powers that be have decided I should be a Mariners fan. Sorry just can�t do it. One nice thing is that I get to watch this series on local TV. The bad thing is I have to listen to the Mariners announcers. These guys are just not good. The veteran announcer is being inducted to the Hall of Fame this year. Why? Just because he held his job so long?

I have been listening to Braves games over the internet lately (for free, but don�t let MLB know or I might end up in Baseball�s version of Gitmo) and I hope Atlanta citizens realize how lucky they are to have their announcing crew. It is great to hear Pete and Skip. A pleasant surprise is Mark Lemke. I have tried watching tv while listening to the Braves broadcast on the radio but there is a 10 or 15 second lag . Oh ,Well.

On a musical note Emmylou Harris has a new cd out and it is good. She is back working with her ex husband, Brian Ahern, who produced her first 12 albums. He knows how to record her.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

The shock troops for sure ! It’s an ugly line up today. Never the less, today is once again, an absolute must win.

By Shamus Thacker

June 22, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Great stuff DOB!

By Who cares what Greg Norton is hitting

June 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

IT’S TRUE. NO ONE CARES.

(Except Greg, maybe).

By Jeff321

June 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Scheduled day off, eh? Frenchy needs a scheduled vacation to Richmond!

By Supes

June 22, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

NO Jeff Francouer…Hell must have frozen over! Finally we won’t have to suffer and watch him kill the braves with his lack of production and casual defense.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Tex goes yard. They’d best rough up Silva, since everyone else has….

Snowball’s Chance: I gotta get that Emmylou CD. heard great stuff about it. You should listen to the new Aimee Mann CD. Also outstanding.

Best new rockin’ CD I’ve purchased: The Black Angels’ Directions to See a Ghost. As Josh at Ella Guru aptly described it, it’s a psychedelic freakout.

(But don’t let that scare you away. It’s a great rock record.)

By rolltideface

June 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Yeah, thanks for the review. I have seen REM play about 7 times, the best being at Chastain Park about 10 years ago. I wanted to try to get to Atlanta for this show but it just didn’t work out. REM is by far my favorite band- I love Accelerate. Awesome that they played Harbourcoat- they dusted off Camera and We Walk the last time I saw them. And- oh yeah- big win for the Braves last night.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

BANG ! Tex goes deep, 1-0 Atlanta. Thats just what the doctor ordered !

By Jim

June 22, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

DOB, not playing gotcha but you have norton and b jones in right field on the blog. Who’s playing where?

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Thats just good scouting. Bloomquist went first to third on the base hit by Ibanez because the Mariners know that Blanco’s throwing arm is weak at best.

By Rush

June 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

McCann continues to impress. Why has he not been given a shot at the three spot? Or if everyone is healthy, even the 2 hole.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Tomorrow’s the day Francoeur needs off. Or another day he needs off. Or whatever. My point: He’s 2-for-13 against Sheets.

By cabravesfan

June 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

is it too late to jump on the I Love Omar Infante bandwagon? I am just now realizing how valuable this guy is to the Braves…

By Bravosimos

June 22, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

does the cow have to be that big?

By cabravesfan

June 22, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Tex goes deep AGAIN

By Run Heap Run!

June 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Everybody appears to have their heads in the game today. knock on something

blinks

Did Tex stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Yea baby ! Tex goes yard , AGAIN ! 2-0 Braves

By Overlord-D-Day

June 22, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Is that really is MARK TEIXEIRA? you must be kidding me.

By cabravesfan

June 22, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

And Mac follows that up with a bomb…

By McFann�

June 22, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

HAMER TIME!!

Back-to-back by Tex and Mac! (OK, sorry about the rhyme.)

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Bravosimos, that cow is really big. Huge, in fact.

I like the too-slow chopping motion, when combined with its size and all the fireworks that go off from the nearby Coke bottle when Braves do something big like the walk-off last night.

To me, the imagery, it’s like something from a Yul Brenner movie, something the people of some ancient civilization might praise, or bow to, as someone suggested earlier. If it were painted gold, it’d be perfect.

OK, perhaps the heat’s getting to me.

By Fred Secunda

June 22, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

DOB, I flew to Charleston this weekend and had to stop in the Atlanta airport for the first time in about three years. Man, what a madhouse. Is it always that crazy?

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Back to back Jacks from Tex and McCann here in the fourth. It’s amazing what happens when Cox put two big productive bats side by side in the line up ! 3-0 Braves !

By Heap for President!

June 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

The Mariners look like the Braves today.

By Crabby Bill

June 22, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

DOB… ”Monster” may be a tick below REM’s other early work but you mentioned ”What’s the frequency,Kenneth” from that cd was played last night.To me that is one of the rawest, garage band sound,high energy tunes they’ve done.”Strange Currencies” also from ”Monster” is one of their excellent ballads as well.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Yes Sir, the Braves are putting this game away early. The shock troops are getting it done today and Silva stinks !

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Braves being very aggressive against Silva. For once, a very wise strategy.

By THB

June 22, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Coach, are you blind or just really, really stupid? All season Cox has had Chipper in front of Tex…cmon now.

DOB-Could you post Tex’s stats when Chipper doesn’t start? I feel like he’s done really well when Chipper doesn’t play?

By j

June 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Hello, Dave, you have the best musical taste of any Sports Columnist I have ever read. The National put on a really good show. I simply cannot eject Boxer from my CD changer. The Virginia E.P has got some good cuts as well. R.E.M were my absolute favorite band growing up and a big reason I choose to attend UGA. I own Accelerate, but have yet to “get it”. Have you checked out Fleet Foxes? Pretty good record as well. Cheers, J

By kirknga

June 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Joe Simpson just mentioned that Tex had 8 rbi’s in both June and July of last season. Despite that he finished with 105 for the season.

So perhaps we’re in for a treat come August and September!

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Crabby, yes. Monster not a bad record, just not as strong as their earlier ones, in my opinion. Had a couple of great tunes on it, as you pointed out.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Omar Infante is now 14 for 48 (.291 BA) in his last fifteen games. He has hit in ten of those fifteen contest’s.

By Heap for President!

June 22, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Best 5 innings Huddy’s had in a while.

By ncscoots

June 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Silva may stink, but many were the voices in this forum who wanted him to wear the tomahawk. Many.

And the blog continues to display such great baseball instincts even now. :-)

By Run Heap Run!

June 22, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Look at him go! If he keeps it up they’re going to have to change his nickname to Speedy.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

THB , I’m referring to Cox’s stupidity of having Francoeur batting fifth in front of McCann against left handed starters. Now YOU learned something, JACKAZZ !

By Coach Smith

June 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

6-0 without Chipper, Yunel,and Frenchy

and Huddy on the mound…NICE!!!!!

By Robin

June 22, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Rats! Just when we’re finding our stroke, they throw a knuckler on us. Well whaddaya know …Gotay - 2-run single! Tuning-up for Sheets tomorrow.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Believe it or not, this is Mark Teixeira’s first multiple HR game of the season. First one of 2008 and it could not have come at a better time !

By MEB

June 22, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

DOB… when does the cow do the chop? Only after the Braves hit a homerun? Looking forward to seeing the big bovine on July 2 versus the Phillies. Hope they are still in a major funk!

GO BRAVES!!!

By Steve from OH

June 22, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Coach, you could have simply informed THB of what you had intended to convey with your previous statement without the personal insults. I mean, I typically don’t disagree with you, but you could be less of a d!ck when someone disagrees with you. It’s an open forum, baseball discussion amongst fans. Lets keep it that way and keep the barbs to a minimum.

By kirknga

June 22, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

People here were calling for the Braves to sign Silva?

By Run Heap Run!

June 22, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

Angels 3 Phillies 1 in the top of the 6th. A sweep would be sweet!

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

MEB, I’m told that False Idol Cow only chops when they do the chant and chop in the stadium.

And yes, he does chop on Sundays (unlike his namesake restaurant).

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Huddy is on the mound, 6-0 Braves, the Mariners are stinking it up and this game is in the bag ! BRAVES WIN ! BRAVES WIN ! BRAVES WIN!

And yea, it’s an easy call to make in the seventh inning.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

J, i like that Fleet Foxes record. Mellow, but very good. Some of it reminded me of The Band, some reminds me of Iron and Wine, etc.

You’re right about The National: That (Boxer) was easily one of the best five records of last year. I put it on a couple times last week.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

J, one other thing: Regarding your choosing UGA in part because of REM. I’d love to see someone do a survey of all UGA students the past quarter-century, to see how many of them would mention REM or the Athens music scene in general as significant reasons they chose the school. I’d bet it’s higher than some might think.

I say that because my ex-wife, who’s from Miami, chose UGA in part because of REM (and in part because of football Saturdays). And she’s actually quite intelligent, notwithstanding the obvious stain of our relationship on her otherwise sparkling resume.

By Chop Chop

June 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Turner Field has become a blasphemous den of pagan idolatry.

Braves fans, get your sacrificial calves at the “Holy Cow” booths conveniently located on the upper and lower concourses.

By Run Heap Run!

June 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

lmao @ the comments about the magic forrest bat

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Steve, the man calls me blind and stupid, I retort with the Donkey comment you take sides? Go Figure.

By THB

June 22, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Coach, I love you too.

By cabravesfan

June 22, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

3rd for TEX!!

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Yeah, that Teixeira … crowd here at Turner Field seems to think a little more highly of him than some on the blog do.

He just got a curtain call, which is — unbelievably, I might add — half as many curtain calls as Chipper Jones has ever gotten in Atlanta.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 22, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

I just have to moan……..

WTH arent we sweeping this series????

Sorry just had to do that.

Looks like by the curtain call TEX got that people still are in love with TEX. Good to see… Way to go TEX.

By JEB

June 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Something tells me TEX has been reading these blogs and has gotten fired up!!

3 HR’s in one game!! His presence is GREATLT needed! Way to go TEX! Keep it up - this team NEEDS you!

By Dutchie

June 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Looks like a good outing today, with the Phillies loosing 3-1 in the 7’th. And as I type, there’s no. 3 for Tex. What did he have for breakfast??

In all the mayhem about the errors, bad line up and just generall discontent with Bobby, Frenchy, Norton, did a great game by JJ get snowed over? The guy came back with two highly mature outings after three dodgy ones. Must make the future look a bit brighter!

Let’s get into the off-season!

Go Braves!

By kirknga

June 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Where’s this version of Tex been all season? Wow it’s great to see. Perhaps he’ll have much better June and July than last season.

By All Hail the Cow

June 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Teixeira hits three homeruns during the third Braves’ game at Turner Field since the rally cow was installed. Coincidence? I think not.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Teixeira is 13th Atlanta Brave to hit three homers in a game, first since Chipper in 2006.

He’s the fifth player to hit three homers in a game at Turner Field, and the first Brave to do it.

By THB

June 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Coach-It was a pretty dumb statement..I mean, you deserved to be called at least blind…

By Robin

June 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

TEX!!!! #3! OMGBBQ! …and he leveled off on that one, no extreme uppercut.

Run Heap Run!: Yeah, and those bats can’t go in the rack with the rest of the lumber - fear of “catching” something. LOLZ!

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Is Tex using Chipper’s .422 era bat today?

By Goodoleboy58

June 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Who is this guy playing 1B for us today? Hope we can keep him for the rest of the year

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Fourth time Tex has hit homers from both side in same game, 10th time a Brave has done it (Chipper six times)

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Everybody in the lineup has a basehit today. When’s the last time THAT happened?

By Steve from OH

June 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Not taking sides, merely making an observation, sir. No hard feelings. Just saying, I enjoy your posts more when you keep the subject matter only to baseall.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

At any rate, here is something to really rattle around in your brains.

The Braves are going to put Chipper Jones on the D.L. It will happen. Look at the upcoming schedule and tell me when it will happen because I can tell you when it’s the right time.

By keylargo

June 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Tex will be fourth in the bottom of the ninth. Maybe he can join Bob Horner with four Hr’s. Now there was somebody the blog could get into a frenzy over.

By SteelCav

June 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Phils losing again. If things hold up, we’re only four out with Tex heating up.

Wow, just think if we had lost that game last night. May have come out flat today. Instead, we’re hitting lasers and Huddy looked strong. Chin up fellas!

By Quack Quack

June 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Gee look how few posts there are during this game. So many bloggers just hate it when the Braves cruise to an easy win, gives then nothing to rant about. Poor guys. C’mon Mariners get back into this thing so the haters can have some input.

By kirknga

June 22, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Is there some kind of law that says either Ohman, Boyer or Acosta have to pitch everyday, even if the team has an 8-run lead with 6 outs to go?

By Robin

June 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

We could be only 4 games out if the Philly score holds up. Still 2 1/2 weeks to go before our patented 2nd half surge … I’m feeling a little better now.

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

If CJ going on the dl was a possibility I doubt he would have pinch hit last night…

By A Brave Prayer

June 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

O� Great and mighty COW who presides over Turner Field!

Wave your mighty Tomahawk Choppin� hoof over us and bless these Braves. Bless this field on which we play, cause our errors to be few and the runs we score to be many! Bless us with health and cause our injuries to cease! May our pitchers arms be strong, and our bats productive. We will look to you for inspiration as you tower over us and view our games. We lift our eyes to you, who stand so tall over us. In the awesome name of Chik-Fil-A we pray, amen.

By A Realistic Fan

June 22, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Poor Bobby Cox. He tried to get Jeff an at bat in a spot where he could do some damage and get some confidence. Instead, he strikes out and looks awful doing it.

By Chop Chop

June 22, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

kirknga,

I’m hoping we’ll see a 1-2-3 inning from three pitchers in the ninth. That would make this day perfect.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 22, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Got to wonder, why is Ohman in the game? and 8-0 game? Your best 8th inning guy? Thats why bobby has many “fans” on this blog.

Cnat he just use carlyle, acosta, ring?

Wouldnt be shocked to see gonzalez in the 9th, or maybe bennett for his 160th appearance of the season.

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Oh hey we’ll get to see Gonzo again.

By JEB

June 22, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

False Idol cow DOB

Now that is funny!!

That cow is definetly one of the funniest sights I have ever seen at a stadium!! Hilariously funny!!

By McFann�

June 22, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Not a bad day for Tex�

This will be Tinny’s first Inter-league win with the Braves!

By Jeff321

June 22, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

I’ll bet the much lauded season ticket holders just loved it when Frenchy made a surprise appearance only to whiff once again.

By ncscoots

June 22, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Well, kirk, who is your choice to pitch a couple of innings? Carlyle? Bennett? Ring? Seriously, make a choice there as to who should be pitching, and explain why. That might be fun to read.

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

I LOVE to watch this kid. That prize fighter swagger. What a stud.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Well, now that’s not quite the way Gonzo’s first post-surgery appearance at Turner Field was scripted, was it?

By Strange...

June 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Remember Johan Santana?

Santana: 7-5, 3.04 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 100.2 IP

Hudson (including today): 8-5, 2.96 ERA, 1.17ish WHIP, 109.1 IP

Not bad, huh.

You know we lost the five previous starts of Hudson? About time he got a win.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Way to go bobby..get gonzo into the game just to watch him get hammered over the CF wall…… What a HOFer manager. LOL. YOU ARE A JOKE BOBBY COX.

By InCognito

June 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Why bring in a guy coming of tj surgery who is to serve as your closer with an 8 run lead?

By Rush

June 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Reason for Tex’s power surge?

He is seeing better pitches with McCann behind him?
Seattle has really bad pitchers?
He realized that the team really needs him to step up with Chipper and Escobar out of the lineup?
The sun shines on a dogs arse once in awhile?
Borass called him this morning and reminded him he is in a contract year?

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Angels holding on 3-2 middle of the 8th.

By N8

June 22, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Quack Quack

“Gee look how few posts there are during this game. So many bloggers just hate it when the Braves cruise to an easy win, gives then nothing to rant about.”

Or some of us have been spending a beautiful Sunday outside, NOT in front of the TV watching the game.

Nice to see that Tex decided to step up in Chipper’s absence.

By kirknga

June 22, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

I believe Caryle and Ring can hold an 8-run lead for two innings.

Seriously,are you saying that an 8-run lead going into the 8th inning is a situation where we should bring in our 3 overused relievers?

I know another thing too. I’d rather have Carlye and/or Ring out there pitching with Gonzalez in reserve for just in case than the reverse!

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

This is maddening.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Funny… Bennett up in the bullpen.

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Braves win! Woot!

By JEB

June 22, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

I wonder??

Will we need a closer for Mondays game?? It might be a close one with Sheets pitching.

Just a thought, under the impression Gonzo was our closer. Bring him in at 8 - 0 when Carlyle has not pitched in a while.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Yea, I’m blind to the fact that Chipper is batting .366 in the 151 games since Teixeira joined the Braves. Coincidence? I think not.

That said, I can only hope and pray that Bobby Cox will see the light of day in that the Braves desperately need some speed and base running ability at the top of the order.

The evidence is indisputable. Atlanta is 4-19 in one run games and 12-16 versus left handed pitching.

And furthermore, anyone who would argue against my last statement, really doesn’t know nearly as much about this game as they should.

8-2 Braves is the final. Angels 3, Phillies 2 in the eighth.

By kirknga

June 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Good win today. A win is good at any time of course.

By Chop Chop

June 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

I wonder if the 27 pitches Gonzo threw today will keep him from being available tomorrow.

Sheets vs. Reyes on the mound Monday…

Two guys pitching well…

Seems like you might have a close game…

Hmm.

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Rush: French Fry said #4 is NOT true.

By steve_97060

June 22, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

maybe because he wanted Gonzo to get a little work? I swear, some of you guys would whine over anything…

By ncscoots

June 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Why bring in a guy coming of tj surgery who is to serve as your closer with an 8 run lead?

Uh, because he hasn’t faced ML hitters in a year and MIGHT NEED THE WORK? Uh, because they might not want him working off the rust in a 2-1 game? Things like that, maybe?

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Kill the Cow, bring back Chief Nocahoma !

By Overlord-D-Day

June 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

nscoots carlyle, ring and acosta would have been better choices. You want boyer, ohman and bennett to get some rest.

No reason to expose gonzalez to anything in a 8-0 ballgame. Anything could happen, not to mention his arm, he could get hit by ball, twist ankle, etc. But, if that would be going over the board, letting his arm rest should be enough. I know he has not seen tons of action lately, but take in account that he is coming from the surgery room. He is ahead of schedule. If you dont have to…….just dont put him in.

Could you explain why in the world was Bennett warming up in the 9th? totally insane if you ask me.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Braves win 8-3.

I’m watching the Phillies and Angels, top of the ninth. The Angels just left the bases loaded. 3-2 Halos going to the bottom of the ninth.

By THB

June 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

So, Coach, you’re not blind to the fact that Chipper is producing because Tex is behind him, but you were blind to the fact that they are 2 big bats hitting back to back? Give it a rest, I was just pointing out you messed up your point. Chill.

By flange1

June 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Scoots, My thoughts exactly on Gonzo.

Can’t we even be happy with a win and a series win?

By snowball's chance

June 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

A good day for ex American league players for the Braves. Too bad Tex didn’t get another at bat. Anybody remember the day Horner hit 4 - and the Braves lost. And, Ichiro goes 0 for 4

By InCognito

June 22, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

ncscoots…yeah, like maybe he is supposed to be your closer and might not be available in a close game tomorrow…

uh, he has already pitched in a close game and got a save…

uh, like it is harder on him to pitch back-to-back days and uh he might be more important in a save situation…

uh, like that is why you have bullpen sessions, rehab assignments, etc…

uh, things like that?

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Angels SWEEEEPPP the Phils. 4 games out. Woot!

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

Two outs, bottom of the ninth, 3-2 Halo’s, runner on first. Jimmy Rollins batting and Francisco Rodriguez is trying to nail it down.

Bruntlett steals second base. Rollins is intentionally walked. Two on, two out. Tuguchi in the box. It’s getting tense ! And Taguchi pops it up. Game over.

Angels 3 Phillies 2, Braves are four back.

By Steve from OH

June 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

Phillies lose, Braves 4 back.

By InCognito

June 22, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

and of course i am happy with the win. i am happy with any win. but, why risk an injury to your closer in an 8-0 game and potentially not have him available tomorrow? that’s all…

By Rick

June 22, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

The Gonzo question may be answered tomorrow night . If Gonzo is not able to pitch tomorrow or pitches badly , then Cox messed up .

I would say that Cox wanted Gonzo to get a little work ( not a bad idea ) but did not mean that much work ( it ended up being a bad idea ) .

By Tex for President!

June 22, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

this is great:

http://www.atlantamagazine.com/blogs/blog_post.aspx?id=23796&blogid=256

By kirknga

June 22, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

4 back! You gotta love that, we’re staying afloat at the very least.

By ncscoots

June 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Good grief. Ohman has pitched on consecutive days once since June 4. Once. In that time, he’s had two full days off between appearances twice. In that time, he’s gone less than an inning five times and more than an inning twice. He didn’t pitch yesterday.

Ohman is the primary LH in the pen and he needs work to remain sharp, as well as rest. His load this month has been about right to secure those two objectives.

I wouldn’t have cared if Carlyle or Ring had pitched late, but I got no problem with Ohman getting work in, either. While he may have been overworked early in the season, that’s not currently the case.

By Quack Quack

June 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

ncscoots�yeah, like maybe he is supposed to be your closer and might not be available in a close game tomorrow�Incog

I am so glad that the Mariners scored a few runs so all you haters had your chance to get onto the blog with at least some of your venom. Hate to think y’all would have to carry it around all night without an opportunity to vent some of it off, might stroke out or something…we can all hope. pathetic bunch of idiots. Y’all think you actually know something about the game. Hey Robert where have you been? Come on man, you can get on here and rant at the end too.

By McFann�

June 22, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

The Braves are now 7-5 in inter-league play this year, as opposed to 4-11 last year.

Tex said he loves going back-to-back to Mac. “For one thing, it sounds so good: ‘Back-to-back with Mac’.”

GREAT GAME, and thank you, Angels!

Now, c’mon, Rockies! Show some fire!

By Steve from OH

June 22, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Tex for President!

Hilarious.

By ncscoots

June 22, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

ncscoots�yeah, like maybe he is supposed to be your closer and might not be available in a close game tomorrow

uh, like it is harder on him to pitch back-to-back days and uh he might be more important in a save situation

27 pitches probably just got him good and loose. If he can’t go back-to-back days, best to find out sooner than later. But I doubt that’s the case.

uh, he has already pitched in a close game and got a save

Totally amped on his return, and if you think he’s totally at game speed yet, I’d disagree.

uh, like that is why you have bullpen sessions, rehab assignments, etc

See above.

uh, things like that?

“Uh” is right. Exactly.

By A-ville Ranger

June 22, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

I’ve got mixed feelings about Tex’s bash fest today.Thing is, one dinger would have been enough today.I’d just prefer he was a more regular force in the batting order than these occasional big gushers.I never cared for using the closer in a mop-up situation either.

By ncscoots

June 22, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Incognito, one thing, though…I could have made the original point without being snarky about it. My bad, man. The recent tenor of the blog got to me, I guess.

By StingerSplash

June 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

“Pretty Persuasion”? “Don’t Go Back to Rockville”? “Driver 8”? They NEVER play those live anymore. Dammit. Dammit. Dammit. Saw the “Monster” tour, complete with Mike Mills’ suit, and they kicked mucho backside. But to reach back for the 97 mph heaters they used to bring back in the day when I first started listening to them, man, makes me wish I had gone now.

By BravesFanChris23

June 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Lets go A’s & Rockies!

Good win today. I missed two of Tex’s three home runs due to storm knocking power out, but I have saw video footage of it, so I am happy.

Hopefully, this is a sign of things to come. This was definitely a good sign.

By InCognito

June 22, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

scoots, no worries dude. i like the back and forth regarding a topic. no hard feelings here. always enjoy your posts. i was simply thinking out loud wondering if using gonzo was the best move. i certainly didn’t think my post was “venomous” or “attacking” in any way.

By kirknga

June 22, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

I really fail to see what is so controversial, or even hateful as some have said, about saying that it might be a good idea to use your second-tier relievers to finish a game with an 8-run lead!

Everyone is happy about the win. There is no problem.

It is a shame that people cannot tell the difference between a suggestion and a complaint, while others go even further and start calling people names.

By A-ville Ranger

June 22, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

I’d like to do a rollcall of all the UGA folks on board today.Tomorrow of course the CWS finals start,can I get a GO DAWGS from you fans ? Speaking of my favorite canines,time to walk my dogs,later all.

By TennesseePaul

June 22, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Great win today. Good to see some production without Chipper and Yunel in the lineup.

By bravos2249

June 22, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Strange

and those IP for Huddy include 2 3 inning games and an 4.1 inning game and he still has pitched more innings than Santana…LOL

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Actually, I was wrong about Teixeira’s curtain call. It was his second at Turner Field; I’d forgotten the one he got in his first game for the Braves.

That means he’s had as many as Chipper’s gotten in his entire career in Atlanta. That’s ridiculous.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

Four games out of first place with 85 games to play.

It is what it is, folks. Might as well stop talking about trading away pieces. In this division, Braves are almost certainly going to be in the thick of it in late July.

By flange1

June 22, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

HBTD!!!!

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Crazy stat of the day. Between Richmond and Atlanta, Charlie Morton has made 14 starts, pitched 90 innings and are you ready for this?

He has given up exactly ZERO HR’s.

That’s keeping the ball in the park.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

Next up: The Brewers are 18-7 with a 3.33 in their past 25 games, and they�ve hit 44 homers in their past 21 games.

Prince Fielder is 33-for-97 (.340) with 10 homers in his past 26 games

By BravesFanInRockies

June 22, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

So DOB,

If the Braves aren’t selling, do you think they might be buying?

At least for a RH bat?

By N8

June 22, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

“That means he�s had as many as Chipper�s gotten in his entire career in Atlanta. That�s ridiculous.”

Totally agree. If I’m not mistaken, 643 got one in his first game as well, when he hit the HR late in the game.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

Yea, the Braves are 38-39 when they should be 43-34. Atlanta is four games back when they should be one game up on the Phillies and in first place.

Can I say it? can I, can I, can I please…..Thank you Bobby Cox !

By Chop Chop

June 22, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Nobody ever came to perform a song about Chipper at the park either. I’m not sure why.

The nature of this division and this team is that, as of June 22, we have no idea what is going to happen from week to week, much less by late July. The Braves can’t wave the white flag because they’re in the hunt, but they certainly can’t rule out the possibility of waving the white flag before the end of July. I just don’t think there’s any real way to know what to expect from this team in the next month. If things are still unclear (which they probably will be just to spite the people who either think this team is “coming together” or “falling apart”) in late July, they’ll just hold onto Tex and hope that he can carry the team with a heavy-hitting August and September.

By Braves never win on the road

June 22, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

If Bobby keep’s the rally killer (JF) on the bench the Braves might win some games .

By McFann�

June 22, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Neight—

Yeah, Francoeur (I like the “643” nick! That’s good.) did get a curtain call in his first game. Don’t recall that any of the other rookies that year got curtain calls after their first homers�

OK—Did McCann get a curtain call after he hit that homer off Clemens in the playoffs? (Can’t believe I don’t know for sure. But none of the replays I’ve seen show a CC. And the only reason I know about Francoeur’s CC is because they show it in commercials and stuff, you know�) Thanks!

By Section 412

June 22, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

DOB - back from the Ted. On your curtain call stat - ridiculous that Chipper hasn’t had more, not that Tex got one, right? I was happy to be a part of the crowd that brought Tex back out today. It was deserved. Loved the lineup today. Agree with the poster above, who essentially said Frenchy just needed to sit today. The PH appearance only made it worse for him.

Let’s keep it rolling. The cow reminds me of the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz, in that he REALLY needs some oil in his joints. Beyond that, he/she seems to be working.

BTW, Phillies - objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear.

And, Go Dawgs.

By Supes

June 22, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Good baseball by the Braves today. Didn’t see the game, but caught Braves Live highlights.

It’s a good sign to see TEX hit HR’s from both sides, and to score some runs against this wretched Mariners team.

Huddy threw a great game, I was becoming a bit skeptical about him b/c his last 2 starts he labored a lot, esp. the one in Texas.

So…a win without FRANCINE…and as DOB called it…you’ve got a tough righty tomorrow night Ben Sheets who owns the Braves…hopefully FRANCINE misses another game and they put the lefthanded sticks of Brandon Jones and Greg Norton.

Hopefully tomorrow’s lineup will NOT include FRANCINE, Yunel (make sure he’s ready to come back), and rest Chipper Jones again, unless you need a hit in a late game situation (like sat. night).

Play Infante, Norton and B. Jones instead.

Blanco
Infante
Mac
TEX
K. Johnson
G. Norton
B. Jones
Pitcher.

Come on Bobby, load up the lineup wiht LH sticks tomorrow and hope Sheets makes a few mistakes. You gotta play small ball tomorrow, or else.

Meanwhile, I’m not jumping up and down b/c the Braves are back 4 games. They are still under .500 and the Phillies will turn it around.

Still, encouraged by the starting pitching lately. That will help keep you in ballgames, and hopefully the Braves rediscover the magic of hitting with RISP (Having FRANCINE out of there helps).

By ncscoots

June 22, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

The nature of this division and this team is that, as of June 22, we have no idea what is going to happen from week to week, much less by late July.

Brother, that’s all the “blind optimists” and “Pollyannas” have been saying here, LOL. Not that the Braves will win the World Series, or win the division, or even make the blinkin’ playoffs; just that writing them off at this point in the season is at least as foolish as any predictions of success.

That, of course, doesn’t compute with those who can’t get through a day without a “(Insert name here) stinks” post or a “Stick a fork in ‘em” post.

9 every night and 162 in the year. Anybody who doesn’t think that ANYTHING’S possible within each of those timeframes isn’t keeping up.

By Chop Chop

June 22, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

A-Ville Ranger - GO DAWGS!

The Mets are 3.5 out. Man, I want to see our old Met-lovin’ friends on this blog again. You know, for old times’ sake.

By MAV

June 22, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

Coach,

As usual you keep blaming Bobby Cox. I guess those 2 productive bats were the difference. Refresh my memory, but doesnt Chipper hit in front of Texiera? I guess Chipper is not a productive bat. IDIOT!

By bsj

June 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

DOB

I was at the show last night as well. I was curious about your thoughts on the acoustic “Let Me In”. Unlike you I enjoyed Monster a lot, but LMI has always seemed kind of weak to me. But last night’s version with Stipe’s impassioned vocals blew me away. It was probably the first time I heard it and didn’t attribute Cobain to it. My friend (also a monster fan) didn’t care for it. C’est la vie.

StingerSplash, you missed a fantastic show. It wasn’t just that they played the old stuff, they nailed them as if they had never stopped playing them. The backside was indeed kicked mucho.

On the Braves front, I forget which Cox-basher had a problem with Gonzo in the ninth. 4 words for you: “You are an idiot”.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

Concerning the performance of Mike Gonzalez today, we can expect it to happen again.

Typically from the time a pitcher goes under the knife it takes a minimum of 8 months to resume baseball activities. While they can get back to the majors in just about a year, that first year is statistically a rough one. Full recovery to pre-surgical strength and success usually takes 18 to 24 months.

Gonzo is healthy and he can pitch. However, he will alternately look great one day and horrible the next because he is only thirteen months removed from surgery.

By Bobby's Cox

June 22, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

McFann

Thanks for putting me in my place regarding how often McCann plays.

Everytime i see Corky in the starting lineup it seems like an eternity before we see your boy again.

BTW, that kid’s stepped it up big time as of late.

Nice weekend braves B-Squad!\

late

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Actually, since Chipper injured his leg eleven games ago he has hit .212 with 1 HR and 5 RBI, so NO, Chipper’s bat has not been PRODUCTIVE as of late.

MAV, that makes you the DAMN FOOL IDIOT for not knowing your own baseball team half as good as I do.

On the other hand, during the last ten games our starting pitching has been stellar and I’m talking outstanding !

In the last ten games the starting pitching has seven quality starts with an ERA of 3.31, they have pitched into the sixth inning during eight of the last ten games and gone 4-3 with two shut out efforts from the starting pitcher.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

As for blaming Bobby Cox, explain this rationally:

Check this out, Manny Acosta has been scored upon in six of his last ten appearances.

His ERA has risen from 2.54 to 4.34, Acosta has given up 15 hits and 14 runs in his last nine innings pitched during these last ten games with one strike out and eight walks.

Why , Why ,Why in the NAME OF GOD would any manager in his right mind keep running Acosta out to the mound ! JESUS, MARY AND JOSEPH !

By McFann�

June 22, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Oh, that’s OK, Bobby’s Cox. I know what you mean—when he misses one day, it feels like a lot more�

He really has stepped up big time. Had a big game last night, and another good one today. That stolen base was great (No replays or photos of it on braves.com, BTW). I loved Kotsay’s lines after the game, too�

Makin’ a late run for that starting job (not that he was never in the running, or shouldn’t have been. He’s been GREAT all year):

YOU DECIDE 2008!!!

VOTE FOR MCCANN!!!

By Overlord-D-Day

June 22, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

Braves have won 3 out of last 4 series. And it could have easily been 4-4. Well, it aint the case. Anyway. Tomorrow is not he key game of the series. I expect them to lose tomorrow, but if they do win, I fully expect us to win our 4th series out of the last 5. Thats pretty good considering 2 of those were on the road.

THIS IS THE 1ST TIME IN THE 2000�S I FEEL THERE IS A CHANCE TO WIN EVERYDAY. THATS HOW GOOD OUR ROTATION IS RIGHT NOW. Maybe we are not talking 3 HOFers leading the way, but it sure is the deepest rotation 1-5 the braves have had in 8 years (at least).

By THB

June 22, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

Coach-So Chipper hasn’t been a productive bat since his injury, what about the rest of the season? Where was Tex then?

And enough about bashing Cox for throwing Acosta out there. Who else would you throw out there? If he throws out Ohman or Bennett, he gets bashed because they are overused. The reason they are overused is because they have been pretty good. Is Cox gonna put Ring, Ridgeway, or Carlyle? Soriano isn’t available, Moylan is out for the year, Gonzo is just getting back-and he’s our closer-so what else does he have to go with? I don’t think Bobby would choose Acosta if he had Moylan, Soriano, and Gonzo to choose from-but the fact is that all we have is Acosta, Bennett, and Ohman, with Gonzo on occasion.

By THB

June 22, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

Coach-So Chipper hasn’t been a productive bat since his injury, what about the rest of the season? Where was Tex then?

By Overlord-D-Day

June 22, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Coach I dont expect Gonzalez to have that many bad performances. I get your point, and it is possible and there is a big chance it goes like thay, but It looks like Gonzo is feeling and recovering extremely well. He is “young” and sounds like a guy that goes for it. He is not sitting around waiting for things to magically happen.

By Crazy Stats Hirsch

June 22, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Crazy stat of the day. Between Richmond and Atlanta, Charlie Morton has made 14 starts, pitched 90 innings and are you ready for this? He has given up exactly ZERO HR�s. That�s keeping the ball in the park.

Ready for an even crazier stat? Are you ready for this?

Chuck James has pitched 43 innings this season at AAA Richmond and has not given up a homer. Only 19 homers allowed in 422 career minor league innings for good old Chuck and Duck. That Chucky James sure can keep the ball in the park.

Coach, ask Charlie Morton how he likes them apples?

By KC

June 22, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

JEB: “Will we need a closer for Mondays game?? It might be a close one with Sheets pitching.”

JEB, I thought the exact same thing. I really hate to criticize BC so ofter, as I have of late… but this is another error in judgment, in my humble opinion.

I understand that he hasn’t pitched in a few days, and you want to get him a little work. BUT we’re talking about a guy that probably isn’t ready to pitch on back-to-back nights.

So now that we’ve used him in an 8-0 game (heading into the 9th), he will likely be unavailable tomorrow. And as you pointed out, Ben Sheets is on the mound. If we manage to reach the 9th with a lead, does anyone really expect it to be more than a run or two with Sheets on the mound???

Unless Soriano is due back tomorrow (I heard he was going to be activated soon, but not sure when)… this made no sense at all.

If we actually reach the 9th with a lead tomorrow, and can’t hold it, it will be another “L” to hand *directly around Bobby’s neck.

By Crazy Stats Hirsch

June 22, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

That stolen base was great

Great? Not really. That stolen base was a mildly interesting human interest story kind of like when that retarded kid came off the bench a few years back to score 20 points in the fourth quarter of a high school basketball game

Makin� a late run for that starting job (not that he was never in the running, or shouldn�t have been. He�s been GREAT all year):

Well, McCann was handed an All Star nod last year that he didn’t earn with his mediocre hitting and subpar defensive play so it must be evening out this year

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

BSJ, I really liked “Let Me In” last night, with very similar thoughts as you had about it. All the slower stuff was done with grace and emotion last night, very strong, not like the typical lull for audience members to go get a beer or use the bathroom.

I swear they must have done about 30 songs last night. We were going over them afterward, counting them off top of our heads, and I know it was over 25.

Great, great show. Loved the old stuff, and all the stuff off Accelerate, especially with the video they played for Man-Sized Wreath. Well done, fellas.

By Crazy Stats Hirsch

June 22, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

As for blaming Bobby Cox, explain this rationally:

A rational being can not rationalize with an irate irrational irritant even when asked to by the irate irrational irritant to rationalize with the irate irrational irritant

Rationalization with the irrational is not possible so the rational being will not rationalize the managerial decsions with the irate irrational irritant.

Coach, you know how slipping your hand inside a newly purchased glove for the first time can feel like the inside of a woman? You’ve fallen too in love with that feeling and have convinced yourself you don’t need a woman. Dude, you need a woman.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

Section 412, yes, that’s all I meant — ridiculous that Chipper’s had only two, not that Tex got one today (and as I pointed out later, I was wrong, it was actually the second for Tex, not first here).

By rupert

June 22, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

the past week and half could have been the most important stretch of the season, after getting swept by the phils and cubs, with the injuries, the braves seemed to be on a death march that end the season, however, they stayed the course and won a couple of series, and sit 4 games back, the same stretch the phils have fallen apart and don’t look ready to run away with anything, their pitching is finally (minus hamels) looking like what it really is… medicore at best.

that being said, the braves really havent fixed anything, more players are hurt, gonzo coming back should be big, dissmiss the runs today, everyone knows how closers are, the more important thing was that he was throwing 93-94, he’ll be motivated by this preformance, but overall, this team is alive, but still needs to get healthy and probably get outfield power bat, plus have frenchy come out of his slump, good news is, hopefully worst baseball is behind the team, keep winning series, 90-92 wins will take the east at most

By KC

June 22, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

GOOD NEWS FOR THE BRAVES:

The Braves have had their share of #&@!% luck, but here are some positives (in no particular order)…

� Despite everything that�s happened, the Braves are only 4 games back.

� Chipper pinch-hit last night, which proves the Braves don�t think they�ll need to disable him.

� Escobar should be back tomorrow.

� After a disaster on Friday, the bullpen has looked good the past couple nights (don�t hold today�s performance against Gonzo� that sort of thing often happens to closers when they pitch in a blowout).

� Tex may FINALLY be breaking out.

� The rotation continues to roll.

� Kotsay appears close to a return.

� Hampton made an encouraging rehab start the other day, and may be back at the all-star break.

Don�t laugh about Hampton. He was healthy all spring and pitched effectively for a solid month before the pectoral thing. Now, KEEPING him healthy is something else entirely… but odds are good that he�ll be back in a few weeks.

By Section 412

June 22, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

Cool- 100% agree. Here’s to a few more (for each of them) over the rest of the season!

By rolltideface

June 22, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Yeah, their website has the setlist. 28 songs! I am every envious. Not sure if I am supposed to post links but here it is: http://remhq.com/blog_detail.php?id=63

By rolltideface

June 22, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Yeah, their website has the setlist. 28 songs! I am every envious. Not sure if I am supposed to post links but here it is: http://remhq.com/blog_detail.php?id=63

By McFann�

June 22, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

Crazy Stats Hirsch—

Say what you want, but I still think it was great.

The All-Star nod last year? Huh�Just shows you how those around the league respect him.

By Run Heap Run

June 22, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

DOB - I was at UGA from fall of 1988-1992. honestly, i never imagined i’d go to school anywhere else. My folks were UGA grads, my siblings went to UGA and several members of my family were season ticket holders for as long as i can remember. i grew up in and around Sanford stadium.

so while it was never a question of if I would go to UGA, monday nights at the uptown with widespread panic and all the great bands that came thru the 40 watt club and broad street are a big part of my memories of that time. I wouldn’t have traded my years at UGA for a full paid scholarship to Harvard. And that’s the truth.

Go Dawgs!

By TennesseePaul

June 22, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

You know, even with the injured leg, Chipper has managed a .366 OBP over his last 11 games. He’s had 7 hits and 8 walks.
Of course, his previous 11 games to the injury were just sick… .439/.558/.707

By Efrim

June 22, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

Still want to trade Mark Teixeira, Kelly Johnson, Brent Lillibridge and Brandon Jones for Casey Kotchman and Chone Figgins???

I hope you were joking with that trade proposal that you posted a few days ago……

By stamper

June 22, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

DOB- did i detect you were making a little jab at the national? i hope not. those guys are awesome. i’ve seen them 3 times. while, i think they have an entirely different sound than REM, I think they are writing some really good music.

i too was at the show last night. i was disappointed… after having been to The Cure and Pearl Jam this past week, and both acts extended their sets an hour (or more) to see REM pack up their crap and get off stage at PRECISELY 11:00 last night… i was let down. also, where the heck was Radio Free Europe? It’s the end of the World? no… instead he gives us the entire new album - which i think is a let down. also… how bout his political platform speech? any comments? did he put Obama and MLK in the same sentence? sounded like that… yikes. anyway. as for modest mouse - they’ve been better. much much better. you listen to mgmt yet?

oh yeah… go braves!

By Mitchell

June 22, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

Why is it when I hear Dave O’Brien on the radio I picture Jeff Schultz? Is there really a Dave O’Brien?

By jed

June 22, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

DOB

interesting question you raise about people going to uga for the music scene. everybody i hung out with back in college was there for the music scene. not necessarily for rem specificaly but for the scene they helped forge. i transferred there after becoming disgusted with the lameness of the students i encountered at a ‘better’ school. never regretted it either. athens is a mecca and it was an educational experience all its own being around such folks.

By JEB

June 22, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

Actually, I was wrong about Teixeira�s curtain call. It was his second at Turner Field; I�d forgotten the one he got in his first game for the Braves.

That means he�s had as many as Chipper�s gotten in his entire career in Atlanta. That�s ridiculous. DOB

You are absolutely right! I say, let’s start a move now - that we give Chipper a curtain call for EVERY HR he hits at Turner Field from now on! (I’m dead serious!!)

Chipper has earned it - and we will all speak of the days we watched him play. So, let’s not wait till he’s gone to honor him - let’s do it now!!

I know when I’m at the games I will do my part!

Come on fans - let’s get the move started!! Let’s show Chipper some love!!

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

June 22, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

I’m tired of this team. Time for a fire sale. Trade Tex, Glavine, Smoltz, Chipper, Hudson for prospects or Jay Bruce. Bring up the young guys and…

Wait a minute…

They won two straight and Tex hit three homeruns? They’re four games out of 1st?

Let’s go Braves! World Series here we come!

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 22, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Chuck and Duck has given up 59 HR’s during 53 starts in his major league career. The Braves can’t put him in the rotation and Atlanta can’t trade him nor should they. He is nothing more than emergency depth and comparing James to Morton is laughable.

By TPM

June 22, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Teixeira had a great day but overall he is having a bad season. 13 home runs and 55 RBI before July sounds good, but he should have 20 and 75 if he is hitting behind Chipper.

Teixeira will get his 115 RBI and a big contract but he should have better numbers.

By Stuart

June 22, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

Lets’s hope Gonzo’x struggles are a product of the whole ‘closers dont pitch well in 8-0 games when getting some work’ thing. I know a lot of people are going to rip BC for pitching him, but Gonzo needed to get an inning in at home and he got it. He will be fine. I hope BC lets this lineup go for one more game, there is no sense in rushing Chip, Yunnel, and Frenchy back in vs. a braves killer in Sheets. Tomorrow might be a good time to punt one. Besides sometimes punting is a good play.

By KC

June 22, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

Efrim: If the Braves are in a great position at the trade deadline… then no, I wouldn’t mess with the team that drastically.

However, if they’re kind of on the bubble, and IF the Braves don’t feel they can re-sign Tex… I would favor making that hypothetical trade (Tex, KJ, B.Jones, Lillibridge… for Kotchman and Figgins).

IF, a month from now, the Braves front office is quite uncertain where they’ll end up this year, I think a trade like that makes sense.

I say that because it would allow us to get a substantial return for Tex, while still allowing us to compete this year.

Figgins has been one of the best leadoff men in the game for the past several years, and you would have him under contract through 2009.

Kotchman is solid offensive first-baseman, and an excellent fielder. And he won’t be eligible for free agency for a number of years.

Figgins, Escobar, Jones, McCann, Francoeur, Kotchman, Kotsay, Diaz…

That’s not a bad lineup. And Figgins makes 7 mill a year less than Tex, which would give the Braves more flexibility to go get another big bat over the winter.

In short, I think a trade like that allows the Braves to set themselves up nicely for next year, without giving up on this year’s team. However, again, if we’re within 4 or 5 games at the deadline… no, I wouldn’t make that move.

By KC

June 22, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die):

I wouldn’t compare James’ ability to that of Charlie Morton. I certainly agree with you there (as do the Braves, or else James would be in ATL right now).

However, I am going to challenge you a little bit on Chuck James.

From the time James came up to Atlanta in 2006, until his shoulder trouble started (about 2/3 of the way through last year)… James was a very good starter for the Braves.

Over that span (which was about 40 starts)… he went - I believe it was - 18-11, with an ERA of about 3.70.

Heading into his last start of July last year (again, 2/3 of the way through the season), we was top-15 in the league in ERA.

In between DL stints in the last 2 months of last season, he was obviously terrible. But he also wasn’t healthy.

This year, in 5 stats, he’s been equally terrible… so the Braves wanted to give him PLENTY of time at Richmond to prove he has his crap together before trying him again in the ATL rotation.

He certainly has his flaws. Namely - he runs up a pitch count in a hurry, and gives up too many HRs.

But let’s not forget that 40 start stretch that spanned into the second half of next year. That, coupled with his dominance at Richmond so far, makes me believe that he could still be an asset to this team at the bottom of the rotation.

Now, once again, I agree that Morton has more potential, and that Morton has pitched to well so far to do anything other than to keep sending him to the hill. I wouldn’t favor James over any of the guys currently in the Braves rotation.

All I’m saying is… he might deserve a little more faith and respect than you’re giving him. I think you’re working entirely on very short-term memory where James is concerned.

By Pippie

June 22, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

All this talk about music, and I’ve seen no mention of Genesis or Phil Collins. Anything they do is GREAT!!!

By KC

June 22, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Stuart: “Lets�s hope Gonzo�x struggles are a product of the whole �closers dont pitch well in 8-0 games when getting some work� thing. I know a lot of people are going to rip BC for pitching him, but Gonzo needed to get an inning in at home and he got it.”

Stuart, I’m not in the least bit concerned by Gonzo’s performance today. It is VERY normal for a closer to struggle in a meaningless outing.

And YES, many people - including me - are going to rip Bobby for pitching him today.

If there were an off day tomorrow, then it would make perfect sense to pitch Gonzo today, to get him some work.

Or if Gonzo were at a point where he could pitch on back-to-back nights, it wouldn’t be that bad a move to put him out there tonight.

But given that he is now, in all likelihood, unavailable tomorrow for a game in which we’ll be opposed by Ben Sheets… I don’t think it made any sense to pitch him tonight simply to let him get some work in.

In fact, I think it was decidedly nonsensical.

By stamper

June 22, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

DOB- whoa whoa whoa… whats the hostility? i must have read your national statement incorrectly. and yeah, they rocked when they opened for Arcade Fire.

as for the political aspect… all i asked was if he compared obama with mlk. thats what it sounded like to me. (i have seen the boss as well as Pearl Jam - i’m used to that statements of the left particularly at live music… i just thought it was a bold comparison by stipe…if it was in fact a comparison - which is what i asked)

and i’m totally within my parameters for being disappointed… i hold higher expectations for a band of their caliber. 2 hours? surely they coulda played a few more songs… they have tons more at their disposal. thats all. there’s no harm in wanting more beef or perhaps less filler.

let’s not make attacks toward each other…k. we just have a difference of opinion on the concert we saw last night.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

CHOP CHOP: You understood exactly what I meant (tongue in cheek), about the cow as a false idol, etc. Your post was hilarious. Wish I’d worded it that way….

STAMPER: Little jab at The National? No, not at all. And I can’t even see how you’d read that into what I wrote. Love that band, have three albums or EPs they’ve put out, and Boxer was one of my three favorite albums last year. Saw them open for Arcade Fire and they were terrific.

Just don’t like seeing bands I enjoy have to open as the first band on a three-band bill and go on before 7 p.m. with everyone milling around finding seats and talking.

As for REM: You really expect me to believe you’re an REM fan if, 1. You didn’t like that show, which every fan I talked to around our seats and afterward in the parking lot said they loved, or 2. You actually were surprised or offended by Stipe’s political message.

I say that because if you don’t know that Stipe leans way left and that he has never kowtowed to anyone or worried about offending, then you don’t know much about him and the band. I mean, you really didn’t think you’d hear Stipe express a political opinion in an election year? Come on, get a clue.

By the way, don’t be a hypocrite: You’re here complaining about what Stipe said, when it was a The National T-shirt that he held up, with Obama on it and Mr. November. Come on, were you completely unaware of that, too?

Did you see the T-shirts for sale in the merchandise booth? The National is the band selling the ones with Obama on them. It’s what the song’s about.

So burn your The National CDs, or is it OK if the put it on a T-shirt long as they don’t say it to offend you?

Oh, and Pearl Jam? You don’t find them overtly political? Were you awake during the show? If you really are offended by political messages from bands, I’d just suggest might want to be more careful how you spend you bucks on future shows.

Personally, I don’t care what an artist’s views are, or rather I’m certainly not going to act as though I have any right to dictate what he/she says. You don’t like it, then next time don’t spend money to see the band. That’s your recourse. Your ONLY recourse. Otherwise, it’s rock ‘n’ roll, my man. Your rules of etiquette or your expectations don’t matter.

And no, he didn’t compare MLK and Obama. He said he wrote a song about the desecration of MLK’s grave, and he said he hoped Georgia would help elect Obama. I don’t think it was in the same sentence, but I could be mistaken.

We don’t do politics on this blog, Stamper.

By the way, where was “It’s the End of the World?” Are you serious? That’s one of two songs they didn’t play that you wanted to hear?

That’d be about No. 125 in the REM catalog if they asked me to list them in order of preference.

Would’ve loved to hear Radio Free Europe, Sitting Still and others, but a great band can only play so many in a two-hour set. 28 songs is quite a lot by most standards.

By Efrim

June 22, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

I don’t care if they are 10 games out, heck, 20 games. Throwing in Kelly Johnson, Brandon Jones and Lillibridge on top of Tex for Figgins(free agent after 2009) and a first baseman with a 780(?) career OPS isn’t my kind of return.

I’d rather trade Tex, and only Tex, for prospects if we are out of it. Why or what don’t you like about Kelly Johnson?

By BravesLover

June 22, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Not sure if this got around because I seldom read anyone’s post but Friday night watching Seattle’s announcers here was their breakdown:”If the game is close, we win, if it’s a one run game, we win, if it’s extra innings, we win. The Braves aren’t winning any of these games.” And finally, “The road to the world series doesn’t go through Atlanta anymore”. I cringed when I heard these statements and felt worse after Friday night. They were talking about sweeping the Braves after that game. Sure was good the Bravos came back Sat. and Sunday.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 22, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Crazy Stats,

Chuck is pitching well in the minors as he has throughout his minor league career. Put him on a team that plays in a big ballpark (even one more pitcher-friendly than Turner) and he could be lights out in roughly half his starts.

So I wonder if he might be made available between now and the deadline for a hitter. In San Diego, Seattle, SF, Oakland he might do very well.

The problem with this scenario is that San Diego, Seattle and SF are looking to add hitters not move them. Oakland? They have a few young guys. You never know.

By stamper

June 22, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

and while It’s the End of the World is not their greatest song… surely its better Houston… or perhaps another quasi-decent song on Accelerate.

as for the origin of the shirt, yeah, i was aware it was from the national. thats not what i was getting at. i dont care about that. i was only surprised about the comparisons made - which i may have misheard (i acknowledge it is a possibility).

and please don’t challenge me on the length of my fandom. that’s just silly. i’ve been listening to them for 20 years. i respect your opinion, i’d like you to respect mine… you’re not the only person on this blog who knows good music.

By SNIPER-69

June 22, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

Mets only 3.5 games out. Lots of baseball left……good road trip considering all the distractions and now they come home. I predict (put it in your book) this is where the Mets take off and begin thier rise to the top of the division.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 22, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

KC,

I’m with Efrim on your proposed trade with the Angels. If your targets are Figgins and Kotchman, then maybe you throw in a prospect along with Tex. But three other players on the 25-man?

That would be a rip-off (of the Braves) of epic proportions, easily beating the wretched Butler-Jacoby for Barker deal.

By Coach Smith

June 22, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

METS’ trolls….go back and hide wherever you have been for the past 6 weeks…

a couple of wins agianst the Rockies and you think you’re great…

Muts aren’t going anywhere.. Reason number one…They still have to play the Braves 9 more times…that should pretty well bury them single-handedly

By Efrim

June 22, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

Sniper

You sure man? 12 of your next 15 are against the Yankees, Phillies and Cardinals. Lets wait until the all star break, then make some predictions. That goes for the Braves chances as well.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Stamper, as a long-time music fan, you surely know that bands play most of the stuff off the album they’re touring in support of, right? I mean, REM’s not doing a greatest-hits tour; they’re touring in support of Accelerate. So they’re going to play most of Accelerate in addition to various songs they choose to play from previous records. And like most other great bands with longevity, they’ve got a lot of songs to choose from, so the set changes on a night-to-night basis.

You go see Dylan or Springsteen or U2, they’re not going to play every great song off every album. It’s inevitable that a handful of your favorites are going to be left out, and a handful (or more) that you don’t particularly like are going to be played. I like all the stuff they played off the new album, including “Houston.” Very good song.

By Lew

June 22, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

Scoots got it right when he said anything can happen. Look at last year and the Mets and Phillies over the last 17. For that matter, we’ve gone 6-7 over the last 13 games and actually gained two and a half on the Phillies. After losing six in a row to the Phillies and Cubs, I doubt there was anyone here (myself included) that would have thought it possible.

Much as I hate to admit it, Snipper’s right. The Mets are right there in the thick of it, too. Anything is possible. Full Moon Fever.

By KC

June 22, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies:

I don’t know how much time I want to spend defending a hypothetical trade that will never happen (and that I would only conditionally favor)… but here are my counterpoints to your last post.

Tex’s trade value won’t be nearly what it was when Texas traded him to us. If the Angels traded for him, they would have no better than a 50% chance of retaining him beyond this year (even if they’re willing to participate in a bidding war).

Figgins is one of the best leadoff men in the game. He makes 7 million less than Tex, and he’s under contract for one more season. He’s also a Georgia boy, which could work a bit in the Braves favor, should they want to re-sign him after the 09’ season.

Given the DISTINCT possibility that Tex would only be a 2-month rental for the Angels… I consider Tex for Figgins to almost a wash.

Understand, I don’t think they’re players of equal value… but contract status plays a role, which is why I think we’d need to include a mid-level prospect or two.

If we trade for Figgins, he has to have somewhere to play (2B), and we would need a first-baseman… so including Kotchman from the Angels, and KJ from the Braves, makes sense. Especially since they appear to be 2 players of comparable skill and value.

This hypothetical deal would create 2 problems for the Angels. First, they would need a third-baseman. KJ could probably play there, but he’s not experienced at 3B. Also, they would be without a true leadoff man at the top of their order.

That’s another reason why I think we’d need to include a prospect or two to make the deal attractive to LAA.

Understand, after his performance at AAA this year, I don’t think of B.Jones as anything more than a mid-level prospect. I’m glad he’s been productive since his call-up, but I suspect it’s fools gold.

And Lillibridge has been hitting around the Mendoza line all year at AAA, while striking out more than once every 4 at-bats. As a leadoff-type of player, I just don’t see him hitting enough to stick at the big league level.

I don’t think all that much of B.Jones, and I think very little of Lillibridge as a prospect, which is why I would not be opposed to throwing them into any such deal to reap whatever trade value they may have.

Again, I would only favor a trade like this if the Braves were on the bubble this season (not in the thick of the pennant race)… and ONLY if the Braves didn’t like their chances of re-signing Tex.

By KC

June 22, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

Lew: Yup. We shouldn’t forget about the Mets. They have a lot of talent, and could wind up making a run.

I’m very happy to see that Oliver Perez has come back to earth after a great 07 season. And Pedro hasn’t been able to put it together.

But if one or both of those guys can figure it out, they could be in the race till the very end.

By Robert

June 22, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Today’s game was a flashback to the mid 90’s - dominant pitching, dominant offense (weak opponent didnt hurt the equation) = no decisions needed from Cox = BRAVES WIN

The thing is the past two games are an ILLUSION.

Last night was an accident. They won despite Cox’s mistake that cost them a run. The picture that showed McCann with Cox told it all - Cox absolutely has the expression on his face that the kids with chromosomes do when they win at Special Olympics - the ‘I have no idea whats happening but all my friends are cheering so I’m grinning” face

And today they couldve won withOUT a manager - in fact I daresay they did - if Cox had done anything, it wouldve been at LEAST 8-5

Blinds hogs find acorns too every once in a while.

By Chop Chop

June 22, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

I was just reading a story about the Detroit Pistons’ interest in trading for Carmelo Anthony. As some of you know, the Detroit Pistons have been called the NBA’s “Atlanta Braves” because they’ve only won one title despite being a top contender the last six seasons. Anyway, I was reading the Detroit Free Press story and found this quote from Pistons GM Joe Dumars regarding the Pistons’ recent problems:

“There are no sacred cows here,” Dumars said. “You lose that sacred-cow status when you lose three straight years.”

The Pistons will NEVER be the Atlanta Braves. We have a big f*** sacred cow out in left field!

Suck on that, H8RZ!!!!

By Bowie

June 22, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

KC, I like your thinking-trades.

Robert, that’s telling it like it is. You would think they just won the WS.

By StingerSplash

June 22, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

As long as REM doesn’t do “Stand” (god I hate that song), then any set list they do passes muster.

By StingerSplash

June 22, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

You know, DOB, given that Pete Buck and Mike Mills are both big Atlanta sports fans (they were, and may still be, huge Falcons fans and Braves fans), any idea if they are transient denizens of the blog? Maybe you can have sit in on a Man in Black blog jam session, ala U know who.

By KC

June 22, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

StingerSplash: How about “Happy shiny People”?

By chopper17

June 22, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

I just think that the Bravos need to find out what the heck is wrong w/ Francine and either fix it or trade him to the Pistons. Even so, him getting plonked was the best thing that could have happened to us in that ninth inning.

By huck5

June 22, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

David - You need to go see Pearl Jam next time they tour the south. Saw them last week in Columbia, SC, and they were amazing.

By StingerSplash

June 22, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

KC,

If it weren’t for Kate Pierson, I would detest “Shiny, Happy People.” I hate shiny, happy people as a rule (well, only a few of them, really), but “Shiny Happy People” has at least grown on me a little, thanks to Ms. Pierson’s vocals, in a way “Stand” never will.

By Run Heap Run

June 22, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Speaking of U kno who, did he ever make another appearance after that night?

By SNIPER-69

June 22, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Lew, KC, Efrim, Where are the braves right now? In 4th place with mounting injuries. Isn’t that where you said the Mets would be right now? I know none of you will admit it, that would take character, but the Mets will finish the season with a better record than the braves.

By Get Real

June 22, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

I see all the experts are out again today questioning Bobby on everything. Why o’ why don’t teams look to this blog? It’s so full of baseball geniuses with 20/20 hindsight vision!

Gonzalez said he could go back-to-back after the Rangers’ game. Why can’t he now?

No one is giving up anything of value for Chuck James right now. If the Braves show no confidence in him when Smoltz, Glavine and Hampton are gone; then that is a big red-flag to other teams.

I don�t care if they are 10 games out, heck, 20 games. Throwing in Kelly Johnson, Brandon Jones and Lillibridge on top of Tex for Figgins(free agent after 2009) and a first baseman with a 780(?) career OPS isn�t my kind of return.

Amen. Trading Teixeira for Kotchman and friggin’ Figgins is bad enough. Throwing in a solid offensive .800+ OPS second baseman and a good LF prospect and a good SS prospect? Completely nuts.

Chipper, McCann, Johnson and Escobar = untouchable

By braves70

June 22, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

As I think back about today’s game, it impresses me that not having Francouer in the lineup really did make a difference. There was no one to kill a rally. How many times have we seen JF come up in a clutch situation, fail to produce anything and then our offense just shuts down for the rest of the game? Cox stuck JF in there to pinch hit today with two on and he struck out. I say we keep JF on the bench for a while or let him platoon with Brandon Jones.

By KC

June 22, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

SNIPER-69: Wow man… taking shots at my “character”? Really?

I’m hurt. =)

Especially after I just showed the Mets some respect by posting “don’t forget about the Mets” a short time ago this evening.

You apparently didn’t read my posts prior to the start of the season. I predicted that the Braves and Mets would both win well over 90 games, and would finish within a few games of one another in the standings.

I thought a great deal of your beloved Mets heading into this season. But if you want to get pi$$y about it… I’ll add the following:

The Braves lost their best starter (Smoltz), and one of their 2 best relievers (Moylan) for the season… and our closer, Soriano, has been unable to pitch for most of the season thus far.

There have been numerous other injuries, but all the other injury trouble after Smoltz, Moylan, and Soriano is probably comparable to what the Mets have endured (Hampton and Pedro are in pretty much the same boat, for instance) so I won’t even bring up the other injuries.

Let me ask you this…

Where would the Mets be without their best starter and two best relievers? If you were without Santana, Wagner, and Schoeneweis pretty much all season… where do you suppose the Mets would be right now?

They sure as hell wouldn’t be anywhere close to .500.

By buzzdeadwax

June 22, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this

Go Dogs!! Fresno State Bulldogs, actually. I’m a long-suffering Fresno resident, where our only claim to fame is that we’re known to other Californians as the “Armpit of California”. No offense, but I’d love to see all of you UGA fans crying about losing to my Dogs these next few days, because we need this!! Now, it really sucks that the Braves weren’t able to sign Josh Fields.

Oh yes, great game for the Braves tonight! This is a little slice of sports heaven for me - awesome wins by my alma mater and my favorite ML team.

By Bubdylan

June 22, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

DOB, your treatment of Stamper is a head-scratcher to me. Of course all your points are valid. I even rather take your side. But his tone and demeanor have been begging for compromise. If I can sense that, I’m sure you can. You could bend a little or throw a bone. You’re the host.

By cabravesfan

June 22, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

buzzdeadwax as a fellow californian (from L.A) who has been through Fresno many times I have to admit I will be pulling for your Dogs tomorrow too…if my Trojans can’t win then I gotta keep it in state, right?

By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)

June 22, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

Robert, this is in regards to your 10:21 post. Paraphrasing DOB about his comments for Saltywoody’s post on Friday about Francouer that was cruel, uncalled for and full of cheap shots. But, it was damn funny!

By stamper

June 23, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this

whatever. i’m not impressed with accelerate. its better than Up or Reveal, but thats not really saying much. if you enjoy it - all the power to you. we can agree to disagree. but just because i don’t love an album doesn’t mean I dont have a right to go and see the band rock out.

I (me) felt the concert was just ok, not great. i’m sure i’m not the only one who felt the concert was lacking. however, i can’t speak for you or “every fan you talked to around your seats and afterward in the parking lot.”

but whatever, i guess i’m not, as you very so pretentiously pointed out, a “real REM fan” such as yourself.

TO END THIS FINALLY: i wasn’t: 1) offended by Stipe - that’s just silly 2) being “a hypocrite” or “complaining” - I was asking you a question 3) being so against political rhetoric.- once again, that’s just silly

its insane how quickly people can tare someone down for not sharing a similar opinion, especially when they don’t have an understanding on where a person is coming from.

do as you want from here on, this is your forum. i’m done now. fin.

By KC

June 23, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

Get Real:

Kotchman’s OPS is also right around 800. Hit bat is very comparable to KJ’s.

Figgins is one of the best leadoff men in baseball.

Whether or not Brandon jones is a good prospect is debatable.

And calling Lillibridge a “good prospect” right now at SS is completely inaccurate. The guy strikes out more than once every 4 at-bats, and has been a .200 hitter all year at AAA. He ain’t gonna hit in the bigs. No way.

By prattvillenolzfan

June 23, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this

I don’t believe it….

My 14 yr old daughter asked if we could “go somewhere” today. I asked her where, she said Atlanta. (We live in Central Alabama, 2 1/2 hrs away.)

I asked her what did she want to do, she asked if the Braves were playing in town…..

I told her they were, But Chipper (her favorite player) and Escobar were hurt, and McCann probably would not play, (Day game after a night game…..Obviously I was wrong)

We have already been to 3 Braves games this year, So she asked if she could bring a friend and go to 6 Flags…I said OK…

Twice in the park, (totaling almost 3 hours) they shut down rides because of thunder. I’m ok with that…better be safe than sorry, although it did not rain…We were there 8 hours, and only rode 6 rides…

We get back to the car @ 8:00, & the first thing I heard on the radio is that Tex had hit 3 homeruns…….

My daughter then said that she knows I would have rather gone to see the Braves (she’s right…smart girl…) rather than to go to 6 Flags, and she appreciated me taking her & her friend….

She then told me that in hindsight, she wished we would have gone to see the Braves game too….She’s never seen anyone hit 3 homeruns in a game before….(I told her neither have I)

She started asking me questions about the Braves, how were they doing this year, If Smoltz and Glavine were going to be OK…..The last thing she asked me was, how is the “cute Right fielder” doing this year…..

I just laughed and said not as good as last year…….

Seriously Maybe today was Tex’s wake-up call, and if Bobby was smart, he’d bench Franceour tomorrow as well

It is nice to gain 2 games on the Phillies this week-end……

By NO MORE BOBBY

June 23, 2008 12:22 AM | Link to this

I stand corrected (sitting down) thinking the Braves would be double digits out of first by now. Maybe the fill in guys are hungrier than some of the regular starters who were fine playing ho hum ball. Is there a chance some starters could lose their roles if these current Braves keep winning or will Bobby be loyal to the losers?

By tim

June 23, 2008 12:29 AM | Link to this

Why the hell have ticket prices gotten so high this past year. I am a big fan of REM and I loved seeing them last night but ticket prices are ridiculous. Not just them but all big name acts. Great show though. I think modest mouse show would have been better at smaller venue. Great day yesterday. Watched dawgs win, saw REM, Braves won and got good and toasted. Go Dawgs and go Braves

By buzzdeadwax

June 23, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

KC: I think with your trade idea, you’re selling low on b jones and lil’ bridge. These are talented players who haven’t played well this season. Are they future all-stars? Who knows? But treating two of your team’s top 10 prospects as throw-ins in a trade wouldn’t make much sense. Luckily, this won’t happen. Wren may trade these two, but if he does, it will be a proven outfield bat.

By tim

June 23, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

stamper, from what I heard all music at lakewood has to end by 11. not sure if it’s true but that’s what i heard. i too wish they would have played more older stuff because it’s always better when you know the songs. Have only heard their new album once although i think it’s pretty good. as for the political opinions what did you expect? JMO

By Coach Smith

June 23, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this

Sniper

you have lost ALL RIGHT to come on here and run your mouth Because for the past 6 weeks you have been nowhere to be found

Keep holding onto that “the Braves ar in 4th place” crap… It is A HALF GAME and the Braves have actually won more games….

Actually the Braves are about to sart getting people back, GONZO is back, SORIANO is coming back, CHIPPER and YUNEL will likely be in there tommmorrow, KOTSAY is re-habbing, all is going well so far with HAMPTON, and DIAZ will be back soon possibly even Glavine after the break…

That is 7-8 major bullets to re-load the gun with and boost the team, the METS have nothing like that to look forward to

and WREN will add the power bat even if it is a renter…..

Get a grip SNIPER and if you want to run your mouth win your team wins a couple, then you have to be here to take your medicine when the suck

By prattvillenolzfan

June 23, 2008 12:46 AM | Link to this

Forgot to mention…

Tex was being interviewd on ESPN radio, and Steve Phillips asked the question IF the Braves are out of it by the end of July, could you see a scenerio where you got traded….

Tex sounded a little p** off by that comment….

Tex said that first of all, the Braves would not be out of it, the Braves are only 4 or 5 games out of first with 12 more to play against the Phillies

The fact that the Braves are a 500 team with all of our injuries so far is a testament to the patience of Cox (I’m not saying I agree w/it….just reporting what he said)

WHEN the Braves get the rest of the line-up back, things will definately change.

As far as him getting traded before the deadline. He was sent here for a reason, and that is to help the Braves go the World Series, and that’s what he is going to try to do, he said he failed at it last year, he’s not going to fail 2 years in a row

I’m not saying I agree or disagree…..Just reporting what HE said…..

By Coach ( Put up,Shut Up,Do or Die)

June 23, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

KC, I agree with you on Lillibridge. He is having an awful season. As a prospect, he has little trade value right now.

The flip side is, one season does not make a player. Before 2007, the kid SS with the baby face was regarded as the heir apparent to Renteria. That all changed with the emergence of Escobar.

I’m not going to give up on Lillibridge and neither will upper management. You have to remember, he is only in his third minor league season. But, his strike out totals thus far are curious, lillibridge had 104 k’s in 06, 119 k’s in 07 and 47 so far in 08.

The young SS is solid on defense with a great throwing arm, good power and blazing speed. Lillibridge has to improve his strike out to walk ratio before he can be considered a legitimate big league SS.

Overall, Lillibridge is versatile, can play multiple positions, has a quality glove with good range and speed, needs repetitions in AAA as his bat is sorely in need of some seasoning.

By Coach ( Put up,Shut Up,Do or Die)

June 23, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this

Time to bust Bobby’s chops again.

Lillibridge isn’t ready for the big time and Cox knows it. The young SS needs playing time in Richmond as much or more than any prospect in the entire Braves organization.

So why is he with the Braves when Diory Hernandez is tearing up minor league pitching (.312 BA), has an overall BA of .274 in six minor league seasons with fully twice the professional experience of Lillibridge?

The Braves have three roster spots open on the 40 man. Hernandez, who hit .308 in 2007 and .312 so far in 2008 is ready, while Lillibridge needs to be getting playing time in Richmond is called up, what gives? Who is running this Circus?

By Mike in LA

June 23, 2008 1:15 AM | Link to this

Coach Smith, I agree with your assessment of the team except I don’t think Chipper will be ready to play tomorrow. He looked extremely gimpy trotting to first on the hit yesterday. I’d rather have him rest during the Brewers series than have him go on the disabled list for an extended amount of time.

By Get Real

June 23, 2008 1:24 AM | Link to this

Kotchman�s OPS is also right around 800. Hit bat is very comparable to KJ�s.

The difference is one is putting up the numbers at first and the other second base.

.800 OPS first basemen grow on trees. Second basemen? No.

By Roman Gal

June 23, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this

prattvillenolzfan Nice. It’s always good to hear success stories. :) Also, thanks for posting that stuff about Tex.

I saw this on Starks column about Tex.

Don’t mess with Tex: What’s up with all that speculation that the Braves are on the verge of making Mark Teixeira available? Clubs that have inquired about him said they were shot down instantly. An official of one team says he was told the Braves believe “they’re not even remotely out of it.” So they’re still looking to add pitching, not subtract cleanup hitters.

Also…

�Price of the Giambino: Two months ago, we would have set the odds of Jason Giambi’s returning to the Bronx next year at approximately, well, zero. But we’re hearing the Yankees have sent signals to Giambi that, assuming he stays healthy and reasonably productive, they would be amenable to bringing him back next year. There’s zilch chance they’ll pick up his $22 million option. But a modest one-year offer, on top of his $5 million buyout, apparently is no longer out of the question. Who’d have thunk it?

By BA

June 23, 2008 1:36 AM | Link to this

Note to self: don’t rag on REM around DOB! I lived in Athens ten years ago, people would see Stipe hanging out downtown all the time. A man of the people, no matter which way he “leans”. Sometimes good guys win, and keep winning for twenty years. And hey, a “Stain”?! That’s harsh, DOB- I’m sure you’re a great dude, maybe married too young? None of my business anyway…This cow, in spite of it’s disgusting commercial origin, might be a good luck charm of the first degree. FOUR BACK?! Please let them keep it up against the Ned Yosters, and please give Frenchy another day off tomorrow. Not because of all the frustrated morons on this blog, but because he needs it, whether he would admit it or not.

By N8

June 23, 2008 1:38 AM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN:

George Carlin passed away.

The world has lost one of the funniest men it had. A sad day indeed.

By Coach ( Put up,Shut Up,Do or Die)

June 23, 2008 1:44 AM | Link to this

Speaking of Disasters……what the hell has happened to the Arizona Diamondbacks?

That team started out with it’s hair on fire in April by going 19-8. May saw them finish 11-17 and so far in June, Arizona is 8-12.

Talk about bombing, GEESH !

By Coach ( Put up,Shut Up,Do or Die)

June 23, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this

The new power rankings are out. The Braves are 16th, 7th in the N.L. Talk about standing outside the candy store with empty pockets, the Braves need to rob the liquor store.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

By BA

June 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Link to this

God bless you Carlin, you f*n genius.

By KC

June 23, 2008 2:09 AM | Link to this

buzzdeadwax:

I’m not so sure that either of them are really good prospects at this point, especially Lillibridge.

But you could be right. As long as they play for Atlanta (or in the ATL system), I certainly hope they both prove me as wrong as can be.

And has for the hypothetical trade I brought up… as I stated before, I would only be in favor of such a deal on a few different conditions.

I never meant to give it this much conversation, because I don’t really expect the Braves to be “on the bubble” a month from now. I think they’ll be right in the thick of things.

And if that’s the case when the deadline approaches… I wouldn’t want to see them make any move that alters the core of this team.

Hopefully, we will be right there in the middle of (or even atop) this race by the end of July, and the only thing we’ll be looking to do will be to add a couple complimentary pieces.

I am still in favor of getting Ryan Freel (who wears out lefties) to platoon with Blanco. And of course, we still need to add a proven arm or two to the bullpen.

If we can make a couple moves like that soon, I like our chances.

By KC

June 23, 2008 2:17 AM | Link to this

Get Real:

I don’t think you can draw clear lines between positions anymore.

It used to be true that it was MUCH easier to find offense at 1B than it was to find it at 2B or SS… but that has largely changed.

Middle infielders with pop are not at all rare anymore. And first-baseman who can hit .300 and play gold-glove defense do not grow on trees.

Again, the hypothetical trade I brought up really isn’t worth anymore conversation. I really just threw it out there as a convo piece on what could be done if things didn’t improve for the Braves. But unbelievably… we’ve actually picked up a couple games over the past couple days.

And some other positives have things looking up in Atlanta. I don’t think the Braves are going to be in a position where they’ll seriously consider trading Tex.

I say, add a little more offense (from the right side of the plate)… and add a bullpen arm or two… and we’ll be on our way.

By KC

June 23, 2008 2:28 AM | Link to this

Last 5 starts…

JoJo Reyes: 2.80 ERA, averaging 7.66 innings per start.

Ben Sheets: 2.40 ERA, averaging 6.73 innings per start.

Should be a pitcher’s duel tomorrow. I certainly hope Gonzo can go on consecutive nights, if needed.

By Coach ( Put up,Shut Up,Do or Die)

June 23, 2008 3:06 AM | Link to this

KC, hypothetical trade or not, Teixeira is going nowhere. The Brave traded five young prospects for him, his greatest value is with Atlanta.

Teixeira may or may not resign with the Braves, we will just have to wait and see. The bottom line is, Tex is the exact type of offensive and defensive catalyst to build this franchise around.

Teixeira, McCann, Escobar, Johnson and even Francoeur are keepers. Yea, you can’t judge a player on one single season.

As for the pitching. Morton, Reyes and Jurrjens are the foundation with more young arms on the way.

As for Chipper, all that knowledge and savvy combined with Hall of Fame talent and Tex backing him up has led to this season. The problem is, Hoss has bad wheels and they are falling off. Nobody knows how much longer Chipper can play, not even Larry Wayne Jr.

Smoltz and Glavine are almost done, sad to say. All those kids I mentioned at the beginning of this post are the future. That is where the focus should be.

By bravos2249

June 23, 2008 3:53 AM | Link to this

I think Chipper could extend his career and avoid major injuries if he took it easy in April and took scheduled days off like normal 36 yr old players do. But he can only do that when these players start performing like today without him playing everyday.

Sometimes we don’t see how the team’s lack of performace w/o him these past years has actually led to some of his injuries. Just like how some folks say we need to trade Tex and granted he’s not going to hit 3 homers a game but today and recent days bring up a big point, on days when Chipper needs rest, whether it be next year or however many more years he plays whose going to be that big bat everyday. Mac can’t play every sigle day, and in this day and age if you don’t go ahead and sign someone to a contract prices to get someone will just keep going up and up. Cause more than likely if we get another 1st basemen it’ll be through free agency and those just equal bidding wars for players who you know nothing about.

With Tex I think it’ll come down more to which team will give him more years.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 4:03 AM | Link to this

The new power rankings are out. The Braves are 16th, 7th in the N.L.Coach

Whew, that’s important stuff, “THE” power rankings. Which ones are those, since about half the major newspapers in America and a dozen different websites all do their own individual rankings, usually at the whim of one writer sitting there trying to distinguish this team’s 3-4 record on this homestand over that team’s 2-5 record on a road trip in this particular week, blah blah blah.

Yeah, Coach, that’s important stuff when determining who’s going to be in the playoffs 3-1/2 months from now. The old “power rankings.” Like the BCS rankings, aren’t they? The highest-rated teams after the division champions are declared the wild-card winners, right?

No, that’s not how it’s determined? Then power rankings must be used used to determine home-field advantage in the playoffs, right?

No, not used for that, either? Oh. Well, I’m sure they’re important for something. Thanks for sharing whatever particular “power rankings” you cited that are hot off the presses.

I think I’ll keep paying more attention to games out of first place and the teams ahead of the Braves in the actual standings, be it division standings or wild-card standings. Since that actually has, you know, some relevance.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 4:19 AM | Link to this

Bubdylan, I’ve got nothing personal against Stamper, nothing whatsoever. No problems with the man. Not a big deal, really. Just telling him how I feel.

How would you propose that I “compromise” or throw him a bone? I think he’s dead wrong about the show last night (I found it to not just a good show, but a great one; he found it to be merely OK); and I think he’s wrong about Accelerate (I think it’s a very good album; not the equal of their early classics, as I’ve said, but right there with New Adventures, a very good album; he doesn’t much care for Accelerate).

We’re all good. Big difference of opinion. But I never understand, and never will, those people who act surprised or whatever by an established artist’s expression of political views, especially when those views are in line with the views said artists has expressed for years and years.

And I’m not understanding the complaints about the band playing “only” two hours. Sorry, but how many acts do you see that play longer than two hours? So Pearl Jam played nearly 3 at Bonnaroo, and the Boss used to play 3 hours or longer. And the Dead always did, too, with an “intermission.”

Still, two hours is not a brief show. No complaints from me about that. I’ve seen too many artists play barely an hour to complain when one does 28 songs and plays two hours or slightly longer, whatever it was Saturday. It’s the quality that should count anyway, long as the show’s not unusually short.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 4:23 AM | Link to this

Stinger: There was no “Stand” or “Shiny, Happy People.” No cheese whatsoever. Only solid tunes, not novelty songs.

By Quack Quack

June 23, 2008 4:30 AM | Link to this

The thing is the past two games are an ILLUSION.

Last night was an accident. They won despite Cox�s mistake that cost them a run.Robert

LOL. There you are lil’ buddy at last. I knew that whatever the outcome of the game, you couldn’t get through an entire day without spewing your nonsense onto the board. Makes you feel like a big man even though it is obvious to most that you are just a blowhard. Stupid and predictable is such a sad way to go through life.

By Coach ( Put up,Shut Up,Do or Die)

June 23, 2008 4:36 AM | Link to this

Did I hit a raw nerve or something? Or just maybe it’s the truth of the situation. Yes, the Braves are only four games back, which is as close as this team has been in quite sometime.

They are also under .500 (38-39) while struggling to stay relevant in the playoff race. 50 of the remaining 85 games are against teams with better records than the Braves. Atlanta has to win almost exactly the same amount of games to be in the thick of the playoff race come September.

Also, Don’t expect the Phillies to keep losing. They are relatively healthy and of course, that offense won’t stay down for long.

Basically, we are asking a sub .500 team to play at least .588 ball the rest of the season. It’s a tall order and while the team may be up for it, I have ZERO confidence in Bobby Cox.

By Coach ( Put up,Shut Up,Do or Die)

June 23, 2008 4:56 AM | Link to this

One other thing O’Brien. What is the best time to put Chipper on the D.L.?

I’m thinking right after the Philadelphia series (1-3 July). After it, the Braves play nine games with the Astros, Dodgers and Padres with one off day, then the four day all-star break hits. Thats fifteen days altogether and Hoss only misses nine games. Those three teams all have worse records than the Braves currently do.

By ncscoots

June 23, 2008 6:23 AM | Link to this

First, thanks to KC for getting multiple mentions of both Ryan Freel AND Chone Figgins into the blog, over the last couple of days, LOL. I know he’s doing it just to irritate me, but that’s OK, my friend.

Robert says Saturday was just an accidental win, but…wasn’t one of the big gripes from posters here that good teams are supposed to “find ways to win”? Seems to me that Saturday was a pretty good example of that.

Perhaps many posters were right about the KJ popup being the turning point of the season…just not in the way they meant. Since the Cubs series, 4-3 on the road (not great, but light-years beyond their previous performance), 2-1 at home, 6-4 overall. It’s hard to quibble with .600 ball (yes, yes, I know, missed opportunities, it’s only ten games, yada yada yada. Hey, stuff it, I’m on a roll here LOL).

So bring on the Brewers. Ben Sheets? I spit on Ben Sheets, LOL. Massacre that mofo, I say. Then get him in the offseason. :-)

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 6:44 AM | Link to this

One other thing O�Brien. What is the best time to put Chipper on the D.L.?

Cooch, you need a woman.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 6:53 AM | Link to this

Ben Sheets ain’t sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

By Jeff R

June 23, 2008 7:16 AM | Link to this

Tex for prospects - better: for pitching prospects, at least a couple of good ones. Why try to pump life in the 2008 club, especially by adding Figgins? Come on, haven’t we learned anything from the Tex trade: a position player isn’t going to deliver a post-season.

If Reyes continues to develop, and Morton develops, the team has a nice 1-4 in its starting rotation.

Beyond that, it’s time to say “Adios” to Smoltz and Glavine, the latter certain to make it to the Hall; the former likely to do so. Great pitchers in their day, but… Got to let go of these old guys and oft-injured players. Time to move on.

Chipper may merit a short term deal, but given how fragile he is, he needs to be treated like a platoon player, not a regular. Where’s the up and coming 3B talent in the farm system?

By ITS-OVER

June 23, 2008 7:21 AM | Link to this

Oh boy, Tex finally hit a homer. Well three of them. Im reserving judgement on him still. Its one game and he has stunk it up all year. Frenchy stinks and Chipper is injured again. Its funny how Chipper always gets injured during a rough run.

If this team wants to suceed we need a better bullpen, better players off the bench and a lineup who can get the job done on a daily basis. These guys hit one pitcher then go hitless the next three games. Its always been that way with the braves. Great pitching-no hitting or great hitting-no pitching. Now its ok pitching and no-hitting. One game people just does not do it for me.

And please someone get rid of Pendleton. He takes really good hitters and makes them into Andruw Jones and Jeff Francoeur. Remember poor Adam LaRoche. He had a sweet swing until someone decided he couldnt hit lefties and platooned him with an over the hill player like Franco.

The braves just need to dump high salaries and get some players. Divide the money and quit spending money on over the hill players like Glavine and counting on injuries like Kotsay and Hampton. To much is to much.

By Dan

June 23, 2008 7:21 AM | Link to this

1st the cannon Coke bottle. Now the Chopin’ Cow. What’s next? Dancin’ Varsity O-Rings? Stop it already.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

Remember poor Adam LaRoche. He had a sweet swing until someone decided he couldnt hit lefties and platooned him with an over the hill player like Franco.

Laroche really couldn’t hit lefties. Franco was a blessing that made the team better when partnered with Laroche. Laroche is probably not the example you want to use to say Pendleton stinks since Laroche did eventually turn into a better hitter with Pendleton and has stunk since he left Terry.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this

The braves just need to dump high salaries and get some players. Divide the money and quit spending money on over the hill players like Glavine and counting on injuries like Kotsay and Hampton.

Dump high salaries? Who? Smoltz? Damaged goods that no one wants now. Hampton? Refuse that no one wants now. Chipper? No way in hell they trade Hoss. Hudson? Knockahoma, puh-leeze. Tex? Well, maybe but why not try to sign him first? Glavine? No one wants him now because he wouldn’t want anyone else now. Soriano? Damaged goods.

Where’s all this high salary you are dumping? They’re paying peanuts to McCann, Kelly, Escobar, Francoeur, Kotsay, Diaz, Jair, Morton, JoJo, James, Campillo and the rest of the relievers and bench players.

No salary dumping going to happen. Know your ball team before you spout your ignorance.

By Chopping Cow

June 23, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

Sakrifice mor live chikin!

By Chopping Cow

June 23, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

To be played after every stolen base:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVSBPbMoTlY

By Mark

June 23, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

I first saw REM in ‘86 @ Georgia Southern, they played in our gym for homecoming. I have seen them over 10 times since that show…always good, I thought Saturday night was outstanding. I also think Accelerate is a great album - has not left my cd player since I bought it. I thought they had a nice mix of old/new/rarely played…great energy. I loved let me in - very cool version, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it live and always liked it.

By lt200

June 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

JeffR - Chipper may merit a short term deal, but given how fragile he is, he needs to be treated like a platoon player, not a regular. Where�s the up and coming 3B talent in the farm system? - This is the stupidest comment I have ever read. Chipper is getting better with age and despite his recent injury this year he has played substantially more. Please get a brain before you speak.

ITS-OVER - I can’t even put into words how ignorant your comment was.

By BostonBravesGirl

June 23, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Snowball, I’ve been pitching XMRadio on this blog since TBS cut their Braves game casts. I live in Boston so on TV it’s all Sox all the time and Braves six times a year (if I’m lucky). If you had XMRadio this weekend, you could have listened to Pete et al AND watched it on TV with the sound down. It really helps keep me connected as a Braves fan, and it’s pretty affordable.

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 23, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

But what do I tell my wife and mistress?

By Bill

June 23, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

LaRoche didn’t do to bad batting against LH’s. Cox didn’t play him enough for him to get experience againt left handers. I think they would have been better off keeping him. Since they traded for Tex, I think they are one game over 500. I’m still for trading Tex because this team just doesn’t have it to get in playoff’s. I think the Phillies and Met’s are going to make a big push for playoff’s. It’s good that Tex is heating up. If they are out of it and decide to trade him, his value will be higher. I don’t think he will be traded because management doesn’t want to admit they made a mistake trading all those prospects.

By R Brave

June 23, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

With the bullpen overworked, why did Bobby, take out Hudson, he was working on a shutout and had only thrown 95 pitches. We then used two relievers again ?

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

But what do I tell my wife and mistress?

Your right hand will be understanding. Your left hand is spiteful though so I’d watch out for that.

By R Brave

June 23, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

That trade for Tex was just a housecleaning, pretty much none of those guys have done anything ,including Salty.Good trade we need to build around Tex with the health of Chipper questionable and he’s probably only a year or two away form hanging it up. Most of the trades we have made over the years have worked out with only a few exceptions, but you can’t will them all. Go Braves

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

With the bullpen overworked, why did Bobby, take out Hudson, he was working on a shutout and had only thrown 95 pitches.

Stop being ignorant and a whiner for the sake of being so. If you have not been paying attention, it was hot as hell out there. Hudson got overheated in Chicago. When Hudson gets overheated, he loses it fast. When Hudson gets overheated, he gets weakened and is generally not as good in his next start or two. Start paying attention.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Chopping Cow: HILARIOUS. I love it. You’re right. A smart sponsor (or just the Braves) should be all over that….

MARK: Glad to know it wasn’t just me and those I spoke with. Good times, huh? Left there feeling energized, which is tough to do after standing for hours on a muggy night.

By BossLady

June 23, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

I’ve already used up my 25 votes for Chipper and McCann.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

That trade for Tex was just a housecleaning, pretty much none of those guys have done anything ,including Salty.

They haven’t done anything yet because most of them are so young.
Way too early to judge on Salty. Matt Harrison was housecleaning but may end up serviceable as a major leaguer. Beau Jones may end up serviceable. Elvis Andrus has the skills to pay the bills. His numbers are low because he is 19 and in AA, about 4 to 5 years younger than the average player at that level. Neftali Feliz is a strikeout machine.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Dan, the Varsity has just announced it’s going to have a trio of moving figures atop the right-field pavilion area — A Frosted Orange, a chili dog and a dancing fried pie.

Get-R-Done

By George Carlin

June 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs.

In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball.

In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he’s out; sometimes unintentionally, he’s out.

Also: in football,basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager.

And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do.

If you’d ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you’d know the reason for this custom.

Now, I’ve mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.

Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!

Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.

Football begins in the fall, when everything’s dying.

In football you wear a helmet.

In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?

Baseball is concerned with ups - who’s up?

In football you receive a penalty.

In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.

In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.

Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog…

In baseball, if it rains, we don’t go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.

Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don’t know when it’s gonna end - might have extra innings.

Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we’ve got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there’s kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there’s not too much unpleasantness.

In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you’re capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I’ll be safe at home!

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

To much is to much.ITS-OVER

Good said.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

One other thing O�Brien. What is the best time to put Chipper on the D.L.?Coach

Probably 2004, the year he hit .248.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Rest in peace, George Carlin. A very funny old dude (after being a funny middle-aged dude, and a funny young dude).

By Section 412

June 23, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

DOB / fellow bloggers:

I’m going to NYC for a few days in July. Going to a game at Yankee Stadium. I go to NYC often, but this will be my first trip to that park - I really want to see it before it goes away.

While we are in a lull before today’s lineups and game, any inside tips or advice for a first time Yankee Stadium visitor?

Thanks!

By Run Heap Run!

June 23, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

DOB This is an emergency and I need immediate reassurance please.

My friend in Houston, who is an avid baseball and Astros fan, said she has been hearing rumors of a Chipper trade! I’ve never in all the years Chipper has been a brave heard trade rumors about him. Where is this coming from all of a sudden and for the love of the cow please put this to rest. My day is ruined!

By Stuart

June 23, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

ITS OVER,

Maybe Chipper the injury comes BEFORE the rough patch. I am not the biggest Chipper fan, I think he is a tad overated in the clutch, but he is not dogging it. He is raking this year and trying to play through pain more this year.

I agree the pen could be better, but the answer is not more arms, it is to go find at least one innings eating horse SP. That way the pen is not used as much and the apperances are lessened and the opponent doesn’t get to see them as much, and they get rest. The pen has plenty of talent and stuff, it is just overworked.

DOB,

As much as I love Glavine, we could have spent that money better. Smoltz, as long as he is healthy, has incredible value because he still has (had?, I hope he is not done, he is my favorite) plus stuff. He is a freak, Glavine is not.

I have to wonder though, with Jurgens, Morton, and Reyes, the Braves have a foundation for the future. (I am not including Hudson, because I am looking longer in the future than his deal goes). I think the Bravos could get alot for Tex on the market. I also think we can get a bat to take his place if we trade him by making other deals after that.

I don’t want this team to get old like the Celtics after Bird, McKale, and Parrish went past their prime. If they are not going to pay Tex the money, then they HAVE to get something for him, period. I think he is worth the money because he improves two spots in the order because Chipper gets better pitches to hit.

I think the team is better than they have been, maybe the record is not as good, but this team is better than last year. I am unsure whether this team is good enough to win a World Series. A divsion is not enough, we want pennants. The future is getting brighter. Heyward is raking at Rome, meaning unless Frenchy gets his head out of his bottom orephus, he won’t be around in 3 years. The middle of the diamond is strong. KJ has a chance to be a good run producer, Escobar is a prototypical 2 hole hitter. McCann is a rock. If Blanco (or Anderson) develops into a Leadoff hitter and B. Jones holds down LF, and if the Braves spend the money on an ace and the corners, (this is AC, after Chipper) this team will contend for many more years for the big prize. Heck maybe frenchy makes the leap, and Heyward outgrows RF and plays 1st if Tex leaves, even better. For the first time in years, we have hope.

By J.D.

June 23, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

DOB I just finished reading John Schuerholz’s book he wrote a couple years back…just wondering if you ever read it and your thoughts on it?

By KC

June 23, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

nscoots: What do you think about trading for Carl Crawford? =)

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Run Heap Run, tell your friend congrats for starting a Chipper trade rumor. Although it’s really not the least bit difficult to start one in the internet era.

I’ve got it: Tell your friend in Houston I heard the same thing, and that it’s Lance Berkman in the deal for Chipper.

By nolie

June 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Baseball is a game, yes. It is also a business. But what it most truly is is disguised combat. For all it’s gentility, it’s almost leisurely pace, baseball is violence under wraps.

Willie Mays

By KC

June 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Well, at this point I think it’s safe to say that Frank Wren’s first trade as Braves GM was a pretty damned good one.

Jurrjens is 7-3 with a 3.20 ERA (top-10 in the NL).

Renteria is hitting .266, with 5 homers, 32 RBI, and most surprisingly… only 5 doubles for the season in 256 at-bats.

Ouch.

And don’t forget, we got another solid prospect (G.Hernandez) in that deal as well.

Kudos Mr. Wren.

By Run Heap Run!

June 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

LOL that will kill her.

Thanks :)

By AGTfan

June 23, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

But what do I tell my wife and mistress? Coach

Tell them you’d like to try sex for a change.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

I don�t want this team to get old like the Celtics after Bird, McKale, and Parrish went past their prime.

Huh? Where’s the old team? The problem is the core of the team is too young. They’re young at catcher, first, second, short, center, right, left, on the bench, in the starting rotation and on the bench.

The only old dude left that means anything is Chipper. Kotsay, Hampton and Glavine don’t figure into the future.

The emergence of Jair and JoJo, with the development of Charlie, the surprise that is Jorge, and the reclamation of Chuck James down in AAA are increasingly making Glavine nonessential.

This team is not getting old like the Bird, McHale, and Parrish Celtics. If they fail, it will be because some of the young’uns don’t develop or have something disastrous happen to them akin to Len Bias and Reggie Lewis (on a smaller scale of course).

The best trade the Braves could make is for David Dejesus and Mark Teahen. The Braves need some .330+ OBP, .420+ SLG guys like Dejesus and Teahen. Dejesus would fit in nicely in center and leadoff. Teahen would be a very valuable bench guy in the corner outfield and corner infield.

Send Chuck James and Brent Lillibridge and either Blanco or Anderson to the Royals for Dejesus and Teahen. It would make the Braves better.

The Royals could use the shortstop. Pena is horrible with the bat. Adding Chuck James to the Royals in that big park would set the Royals up nicely in their rotation for the future with Chuck, Meche, Hochevar, Davies, Greinke and Bannister.

By Stuart

June 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

KC,

OK, so you are in favor of running Gonzo out there in a save situation with only one outing under his belt. One outing in Texas does not make him a closer. Up 5-2 with 9-1-2 up in Texas is not a true barometer of where he is. I bet BC and McDowell are trying to gauge where he is in his comeback.

BC was trying to get that first home outing out of the way in an 8-0 game because of the wiggle room. Gonzo needs to pitch some innings. I think he only has 14 or so innings on his arm in live games (counting the rehab in AA and AAA). We need to know what he has. It would suck to find out he doesn’t have his arm strength or command back in a game the braves are ahead one run in the ninth. It is better to work out the kinks up 8-0 and give a couple of runs than to give up those runs in a tie game.

I agree with you that BC yanks the pen around too much, but he was right on getting Gonzo some work yesterday.

By Daybed Wagmoe

June 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

DOB — Great comments about the REM show. I was there too, and was lucky enough to get some pit seats. (The pit was not as bad as some comments I’ve read.) Amazing show. 3rd time I’ve seen them; I’m not sure if it’s the best time — seeing them at the Omni in ‘95 on the last show of the tour (which was my first concert ever) will be a hard one to top.

Re “Let Me In,” I took a video of it during the show and it’s up on youtube. Here’s the link.

And to go along with the “they played old songs” note, they played only nine (ten, if you count “Bad Day,” which is really a b-side from “Lifes Rich Pageant”) of their 28 songs from post-Bill Berry albums. It was a helluva show.

By Lew

June 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Crazy Stats-Re: Your 6:44 post. Isn’t that an oxymoron-or something like it?

By Moby Grape

June 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

Send Chuck James and Brent Lillibridge and either Blanco or Anderson to the Royals for Dejesus and Teahen. It would make the Braves better.Crazy Stats

The Royals already turned down a deal for DeJesus that had Chuck in it last winter. We’ll probably have to try something else.

By AGTfan

June 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

A Daring Prediction

The Bulldogs will win the CWS. I’m not saying which one, but may God forgive me, I’m pulling for UGA.

By Lew

June 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Carlin has truly inspired the blog. Some of the best one liners in quite some time, today.

Boston Braves’Girl-I did just that-listened to Pete and the Lemmer while watching the Seattle feed on Extra Innings. Problem is that there is an annoying one and a half pitch delay from TV to radio. I also got a call from KC and The Grinch Friday during the gamethe game-there’s a delay to TV, too. A Delayed Delay. Logic is, perhaps, in the equation somewhere. Not to sure where, though.

By ncscoots

June 23, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

nscoots: What do you think about trading for Carl Crawford? =)

Mister, if I ever run up on you, you are going DEEP into the hurt locker, LOL. That you will live at all is a testament to our friendship. :-)

KC gets the trifecta, LOL. For overkill, simply throw in a solicitation for Josh Anderson to be called up, and I’ll just give up and schedule the lobotomy!

By Lew

June 23, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

KC-This whole Freel Love Fest is unseemly. Aside from his pitiful stats, lack of power and low OBP (not to mention the fact he remains injured), keep in mind you wanted Willie Harris playing daily last year during the second half. That kind of leaves you open for questions on your credibility.

Why should we trade for a guy that will do something like run into the cow and injure himself while fielding a fly ball?

By prattvillenolzfan

June 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

HEY CARLIN

Don’t forget, Baseball has the cubbies…Football has DA BEARS

To me, that was one of the funniest comedy skits (not dirty) of all times…The way he took everyday observations and made them hilarious was absolute brilliance….

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

DOB I have checked your posts this morning, maybe I missed the info to the following q. Any timetable for Prados comeback? Anything on soriano? What about anthony Lerew?, I think he had surgery before Gonzo…. I dont ask about Matt since Im pretty sure he is still some 4 weeks away. What about kotsay? I read he is doing better…..any chance he plays in this homestand?

Thanks, I know its a lot of Q, and that maybe you dont have answers to all of the.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

BTW Sniper,

Your new manager says your old LF should hang it up.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06232008/sports/mets/manuelsaysmoisesmaybefinished116755.htm

And your RF might be able to play this weekend (though those concussion-related symptoms could plague him for awhile) and your 2B and C are dinged up as well.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/06/22/2008-06-22ryanchurchexpectedtoreturnfor_subwa.html

So why exactly should the Braves be worried?

By Efrim

June 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

I still don’t understand how someone could think trading Mark Teixeira, Kelly Johnson, Brandon Jones, and Brent Lillibridge for Chone Figgins and Casey Kotchman is a good deal for the Braves. Even if we were 15 games out, that still isn’t getting enough for those players.

By Lew

June 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

AGTFan-We Dawgs will welcome your return from the Darkside. That’s it, Dude, come towards the light and be made whole again.

By StingerSplash

June 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

DOB,

Good to hear REM stayed away from the bottom of the barrel stuff. Of course, that’s easy for them. The hard decision is what not to play, when your repertoire is as deep as theirs. I saw the Stones in 89 and they were awesome. A friend and I discussed all the great stuff they did play and didn’t play and how much they had to choose from. In the same vein, REM’s been at about 25 years, about the same length of time for the Stones when I first saw them. That’s a long time to build up great material (which both have). And I would raise one in honor of George Carlin, but given the late Mr. Carlin’s preference of that which he raised, I quit doing that years ago. Oddly, I never got the “munchies.” Hmmm.

By KC

June 23, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Stuart: “OK, so you are in favor of running Gonzo out there in a save situation with only one outing under his belt. “

Yes, and so was/is Bobby Cox.

If you want proof of this, I’ll refer you to Saturday night’s game. Gonzo was up in throwing in the 9th inning. Had the score remained tied and gone to a 10th inning, Gonzo (as our closer) was going to be the guy with the ball.

“I bet BC and McDowell are trying to gauge where he is in his comeback. BC was trying to get that first home outing out of the way in an 8-0 game because of the wiggle room… We need to know what he has.”

There were 2 schools of thought here as to how best to handle Gonzo’s comeback. One approach would have been to start out by pitching Gonzo in an 8-0 game to gauge where he is in his comeback… and then ease him back into pressure-packed situations.

The other approach was to “throw him into the fire” (BC’s words, not mine) in a sink-or-swim situation, right off the bat.

Bobby chose the latter approach because Gonzo tends to thrive under pressure. So BC did indeed throw Gonzo at there in the very first save opp that arose after activating Gonzo.

To BC’s credit, I think he made the right decision. But Bobby didn’t suddenly alter his approach and decide “we’d better get a look at him here” in last night’s blowout.

Whether or not you think it’s too early to consider Gonzo the closer… he IS the closer.

BC inserted him immediately into that role, and was prepared to use him in that role again on Saturday, had there been a need.

Again, I happen to think it was a good call on BC’s part to take the approach with Gonzo that he did. I wasn’t so sure beforehand, but I think he made the right call.

That said though, Bobby pitched Gonzo for one reason and one reason only… and that was to let him get some work in, since it had been a few days.

Again, this would have made perfect sense if today were an off-day, or if Gonzo were far enough along in his comeback that pitching back-to-back nights would be no big deal.

But under the circumstances, I don’t think it was a good move to pitch Gonzo last night in a throw away game.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

DID YOU KNOW…???

CHIPPER JONES has lost 0.028 points in the last 15 days and LANCE BERKMAN has lost 0.030 points in the last 17 days.

DID YOU KNOW…???

E. VOLQUEZ and J. HAMILTON were part of a trade between Reds and Rangers. VOLQUEZ leads MLB with 1.71 ERA and 110 K�s and he is tied for 2nd in wins in the NL. Meanwhile J. HAMILTON leads MLB with 76 RBI, leads Al with 19 HR and is 7th in BA(AL) with .312.

Is that a win-win trade or what?

By flange1

June 23, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Morning All,

On REM, I am glad they did a show based off the new album. Last tour, they played Phillips and it was a greatest hits album. The show was typical of an oldies act. Too many slow songs. I enjoyed the show, but it was nothing like a real REM show. Wish I could have made the show on Saturday nite.

On the Braves,

I guess we are too close to make moves based on improving the team for next year. I hope that FW can make some trades that will not give up the core of the minor league system.

Our main issue (IMO) is a RH bat for the outfield. We continue to play poorly against lefties. I would like a power bat for LF but you can take what you can get.

I think that Hampton will also be the guy that pushes the team in to the playoffs one way or the other.

I think Glavive is done for the year. He will also have to make a decision on surgery, and I think he will retire.

IF Hampton can come back an pitch, he will provide the extra arm the rotation needs to keep the kids from pitching too many innings.

If he can’t come back, then I think the team will have to have Chuckie step up.

There is no way FW can trade for a starting pitcher, a relief pitcher and a RH bat without giving up too much talent for the future.

By KC

June 23, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Lew: “This whole Freel Love Fest is unseemly. Aside from his pitiful stats, lack of power and low OBP”

Absolutely, positively, untrue.

You continue to deliberately ignore the numbers I brought up a week ago, and that DOB brought up in the last blog…

Freel VS. Lefties: .339 avg, .388 OBP, .435 SLG

Oh, and overall… Freel is hitting .298, which was not “pathetic” the last time I checked.

He is a legitimate base-stealing threat, which is something we don’t currently have on this team (aside from Lillibridge, who can’t hit and won’t be here long).

And despite an exaggerated fleer for the dramatic, he is a very good defensive fielder.

As for your Willie Harris comment… You’re distorting the truth, my friend. All I said was “Let him play every day as long as he’s hitting .350. When he cools off… go back to the platoon.”

By Random

June 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

The sequencing of the following three posts is somewhat intriguing:

By stamper June 22, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

DOB- did i detect you were making a little jab at the national? … . i too was at the show last night. i was disappointed … . how bout his political platform speech? any comments? did he put Obama and MLK in the same sentence?

By stamper June 22, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

DOB- whoa whoa whoa� whats the hostility? i must have read your national statement incorrectly. and yeah, they rocked when they opened for Arcade Fire… . as for the political aspect� all i asked was if he compared obama with mlk… . and i�m totally within my parameters for being disappointed� i hold higher expectations for a band of their caliber.

By David O’Brien June 22, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

STAMPER: Little jab at The National? No, not at all. And I can�t even see how you�d read that into what I wrote… . Saw them open for Arcade Fire and they were terrific… . As for REM: You really expect me to believe you�re an REM fan if, 1. You didn�t like that show, which every fan I talked to around our seats and afterward in the parking lot said they loved, or 2. You actually were surprised or offended by Stipe�s political message. etc etc etc etc

A wrinkle in time?

By KC

June 23, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Overlord-D-Day:

Not in my book. On the surface, yes… it’s a win-win.

But a legitimate ace is the absolute hardest thing in baseball to come by. And if you want to win a World Series, there is nothing more valuable than a dominant ace.

As great as Hamilton is, I wouldn’t have parted with Volquez for any single player on the planet.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

I�ve been reading about Yunel�s injury and it sounds like we could be in trouble. Its not something you can ignore. I wouldnt be surprised if he get DLed. Some goes for chipper.

“This is not good, this is not good.” (TOPGUN)

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Random is the leader of the gotcha brigade!

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

“We can peck away. By All-Star break, we want to get closer than we are right now, so we need to win.” — Manager Bobby Cox.

Now that was a smart statement.LOL-

BTW, Foxsports says TEX was the 1st brave to hit 3HR in a game. Is that true? I dont think so. Didnt Bob Horner hit 3 in one game back in the 80s?

By jim

June 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Wren’s 2nd trade: getting Ohman AND Infante for Ascanio looks pretty good too.

By KC

June 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

flange1: I agree that Hampton could be a huge factor for this team down the stretch.

I also think people have been too quick to give up on Chuck James. He was very good for use before the should problems started late last year… and he’s pitching like madman at AAA.

DOB: Any idea why Stockman still hasn’t pitched for Richmond since being sent down?

By Steve from OH

June 23, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

No, didn’t Chipper do it at RFK a few years back?

By Lew

June 23, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

KC-No, to the contrary, Dude, YOU refuse to see the entire picture with Freel. You’re cherry picking your info again.

In 7 seasons in the bigs, Freel has played more than 103 games twice and only once in the past four years.

He has an OBP of only .340 this year and .308 last year. Wow. Awesome.

He has a total of 22HR and 117 RBI in 7 seasons combined. This year he has 0 HR, 0 triples and 8 doubles. In other words, he has NO POWER. NONE. ZERO. ZIP. NADA. Not even gap power. Need I continue in this vein?

He has played in just 48 games this year, 78 last year and just got off of the DL-Yet Again. Every time I have watched him play, he ends up landing on his head or some other body part and getting up shaken. He is an injury machine that misses considerable time. Why do you think the trend will be broken in Atlanta? Do you have THAT MUCH faith in the Cow Idol?

Why do you seriously think we need another injury prone outfielder (don’t we have enough already?) that hits for zero power and will cost us several mil in salary and players I’d rather not even give up?

Come on Dude. Freel is a why bother? option. What good is he to us when he will play once a week against lefties and be left on base once out of every three at bats because no one else hits LHP? IF he remains healthy (which I don’t think is possible given how he plays-hard but not too smart). The guy is not all you make him out to be.

By KC

June 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

nscoots mentioned Josh Anderson earlier… I wonder when he’s going to be called up. He’s certainly earned it. =)

And enough of all this REM talk… let’s discuss the New Kids on the Block comeback!

By Lew

June 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

KC-One final Freel fact. This year, in his whole 48 games, he has walked 8 times and struck out 18. Again, I’m totally underwhelmed.

By Tom

June 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

I agree;not only an extended trip to Richmond, but maybe even trade bait for some starting pitching. leave Brandon Jones and recall Josh Anderson from Richmond;that gives the Braves some speed and youth. The Braves could easily win this division, but they are doing nothing to improve themselves; benching Frechy and maybe dumping him is a great start;one final observation;Chipper needs to be the leader and play, even when it’s painful………..step up!!

By Random

June 23, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

I just hope that Tesh didn’t see his shadow when he popped out to take his curtain call.

Else it might be another six weeks before his next home run.

;-)

(Get it, chrisklob? Y’know, like groundhog day, and six more weeks of winter? And there’s also the groundhog-gopher-gopher ball connection. Is it funny to you?)

PS: Although the location and discharge of the springs which form the Verde Headwaters is known, it has remained uncertain what the source areas of these springs are. The headwaters occur at the intersection of some very complicated geologic terrain at the intersection of Big Chino Basin, Little Chino Basin, Lower Granite Creek area, and bedrock of Big Black Mesa.

(We gots to keep Crabby Bill interested.)

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

100% agree with you KC. What I meant both teams got what they wanted and they are pleased. And that is very rare the situation going on with those 2 guys involved in a trade. But of course for the reds getting Volquez was a steal, meaning its 5 times harder (if not more) to find an ACE than to find a great productive hitter with Hamiltons numbers.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Crazy Stats Katz, you’re right about him being the leader of the gotcha brigade.

But in this instance, I did have a similar head-scratching moment. Kinda odd, as though Stamper was reading over my shoulder or had access to posts before they go up, the way those of us “inside” the ajc have.

I have no idea how that happened, honestly. I know I hit post, then went in to change something while it was still in the holding pen, so to speak, before it had shown up for viewing. Then other posts went up in the interim, so mine didn’t get up (that’s the way it works; too long an explanation needed to give to you), so I had to re-post it (though you wouldn’t have seen it twice, only someone inside, monitoring it live, should’ve seen that).

Anyway, odd indeed.

By Lee in S. GA

June 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Didnt Bob Horner hit 3 in one game back in the 80s?

Overlord-D-Day

If my memory serves me correctly, Horner hit 4 in one game. Not sure about 3 in one game.

By KC

June 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Overlord-D-Day: What have you read that leads you to believe either or both could be DL’d??

Last I heard, Escobar was expected back tonight, and the fact that Chipper pinch-hit the other night would seem to indicate no DL for Jones.

By Moby Grape

June 23, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

BTW, Foxsports says TEX was the 1st brave to hit 3HR in a game. Is that true?Overlord

at the Ted I believe

By jim

June 23, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

My thoughts on the use of the pen yesterday: It is possible that Ohman WANTED to get an inning to work on something after the meltdown on Friday. I would have preferred to see Ring or Carlyle in that spot, but there may be a reason for using Ohman that is not obvious to the uninformed.

I think using Gonzalez in the 9th yesterday was the right move. He needs to get work in big league game situations before he can be counted on to be a dependable closer. He hadn’t pitched in 3 days and with Sheets pitching tonight, there is a better than even chance that the Braves will not be needing a closer today. Gonzalez was not locating his curve very well yesterday, and it did not have the break I think he will have as his rehab progresses. The bottom line is that this period has to be regarded as the major league portion of his rehab process.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

KC do you know what is the biggest problem Chuck James is dealing with right now?

I think you will say…… his shoulder, or lacking of pitches arsenal.

That aint .

His biggest problem is that the Atlanta Braves dont play in AAA level.

He looks like Cy Young once he goes to AAA. He comes back to MLB and he is Chuck James again. 10folds his HR allowance etc.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

Overlord, sorry but I missed it. Frankly, I’ve updated all those things in last coupe days, be it here or in notebook. But to repeat:

Any timetable for Prados comeback?

Answer: He just started taking batting practice last couple days. Will begin a rehab assignment in next few days, probably. No timetable, but I’d guess at least another week or two before he’s activated.

Anything on soriano?

ANSWER: No. Nothing at all. Asked Bobby about it yesterday. No update. Nothing’s changed. Still sore.

What about anthony Lerew?

ANSWER: He wasn’t supposed to begin pitching until June or July, so I’ll check again soon. But they’re not counting on him this season, though perhaps he could be ready if needed by late season.

What about kotsay?

ANSWER: Won’t play on this homestand. No definite timetable, just took full BP last two days for first time in about three weeks. Told me he didn’t know if he’d need a rehab assignment, that’s up to team.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Lee: Horner hit four, the only Brave to do so.

Chipper hit three at RFK. No Brave had hit three at Turner Field until Teixeira. Four opponnets have done it at Turner.

All this and more available in the game story and Braves notebook posted online or in your newspaper.

By Stuart

June 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Crazy Stats Katz,

Maybe ‘getting old’ is not the right term, but the Celtics stayed with the old guys too long, they chased the title well after the window closed. (Len Bias’s death killed that team for YEARS.) Then Reggie Lewis died, they had nothing left when the old guys were done. It is hard to build for the future AND win at the same time.

I use the Celtics annalogy because the rotation is 5 guys and the Braves held on to the past too long, by signing Glavine and counting on Hampton again. Then Chuck and Hampton don’t work out, and Smoltz gets hurt (much like Bird’s back or McHale’s feet, age is a booger) you get put in a lurch. That is why I am tired of trading prospects for short term fixes. It is time to quit that and build for the long haul.

BTW, if you think Dayton Moore is going to to take the poo poo platter you offered for those players, then turn on the trade filter on your video game and get real.

When are people on this blog going to realize to make a trade, you have to have two or more sides thinking they are getting value in return.

Chuck James has NO VALUE to anyone. Lillibridge has NO VALUE to anyone. Of course that trade would make the Braves better. It would also make Dayton Moore unemployed.

By ncscoots

June 23, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

BTW, Foxsports says TEX was the 1st brave to hit 3HR in a game. Is that true?

At Turner Field, I believe.

By ernesto

June 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

When bands start doing Greatest Hits Tours -it’s over.

Saw the Rolling Stones on the Steel Wheel (chair) tour waaay back in the day. Greatest Hits, super slick, zero heart. (Granted they were “over” before that).

Much rather see a band playing songs that they are excited about.

If you go see Dylan, he’ll play old stuff, but you might not recognize it b/c he’s liable to totally change up his old songs and make them nearly unrecognizeable. Which, to my mind, is cool.

If you want to see the exact same show over and over and over again - Jimmy Buffet is your man.

You are now all the proud owners of my 2 cents on the concert thing. You’re welcome.

By Braveheart

June 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

He looks like Cy Young once he goes to AAA. He comes back to MLB and he is Chuck James again.

Yeah, it really sucks that when the guy is healthy, his team wins 60% of his starts because he has a 3.50 ERA. It really sucks to get results like that when someone is healthy.

By Supes

June 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Any post with the words…Francouer followed by “keeper” is beyond homeristic at this point.

I hope you send that msg to all the other GM’s in the league, to let them know we’ve got a keeper available for them.

Jeff to the Dodgers for Looney, or Jeff to the Giants for any young pitching. Jeff to the Rays…for a dozen bats and balls and a bus ticket to Tampa?

Meanwhile…it took a while for the Mets Trolls to show up, but they did. All it took is the Mets beating up on the helpless Rockies. The Mets maybe the most flawed team in all of baseball, which is why the firing of Randolph made no sense b/c it wasn’t followed by the firing of the “supposed” superGM Omar M. When in fact he is responsible for their bloated payroll of over the hill mercs and selling their farm system. So yes…the Mets aren’t going to be going anywhere in 2008. I don’t care if they have a better record than the Braves by the end of the year, they aren’t going to be beating the Phillies for the NL East. NY METS…redheaded stepchild of NY baseball, little man syndrome, and owned by the Braves in head to head matchups.

I can’t wait to hear Buck and Kincade sing “beat the Mets” several times this week. The Mets are the irrelevant team in the division. It’s all about the Phils, Marlins and Braves! It’s a dream come true!

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

KC, you’re into the New Kids reunion, huh? Good for you, man. My little niece is fired up about that, too.

By KC

June 23, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Lew: I’m failing to look at the whole picture?

I will say again… I favor picking up Freel to platoon with Blanco. Not as an the new cornerstone or our franchise, or even as an everyday player.

Ever been referred to a specialized physician? Would you refuse to go to an ear-nose-throat doctor because he’s not skilled in treating lower back problems?

When you hire a player to fill a very specific role, you look at how well he performs THAT role.

I want Freel to hit against lefties, play well defensively when he’s out there, and be available to pinch run when he’s not starting.

How well Freel does or does not hit righties is of very little concern to me because that would be Blaco/Kotsay’s job.

Blanco hits .159 against lefties.

Freel hits .339 against them.

Freel can help this offense to be less vulnerable to left-handed pitching. He can field well, and add more speed to this team.

It’s that simple.

By chris

June 23, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Truly you are right— no one is running away with this division. I would also agree that the Braves’ biggest need remains getting another outfielder. As I think about what it would take to get one (such as Jason Bay) the only trade bait that would be attractive is either Reyes or Morton. Would they consider something like this, particularly if either Glavine or Hampton prove to be healthy in late July? Oddly enough, they seem to have enough starting pitching both now and for next year.

Thoughts?

Chris from MD

By Lew

June 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Random-Your 12:31 was funny Dude. Punxatawny Tex.

By Bobby's Cox

June 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

agree the pen could be better, but the answer is not more arms, it is to go find at least one innings eating horse SP. That way the pen is not used as much and the apperances are lessened and the opponent doesn�t get to see them as much, and they get rest. The pen has plenty of talent and stuff, it is just overworked.

Stuart I disagree. The reason the pen is overworked is because they’re all inexperienced. Even when the starters are going 7, Cox still runs 3-4 relievers out there. He’s trying to put them in situations where they’ll succeed because they are inexperienced and none of them have shown signs that they can pitch in roles.

The bullpen needs an experienced reliever. They need a Carlos Marmol or Heath Bell type. Marmol’s not going anywhere, Bell maybe if SD is clearly out of it later this season.

The braves may already have that. They may eventually have a healthy Soriano. Jorge Julio pitched well before he was released with KC and has pitched decent in 3.2 innings with Richmond. With a healthy Gonzales, those 3 pitchers can hold the fort when effective.

I agree that the success of Morton, Jo Jo, Campillo, Hudson, & Jair may not last & may be a little inconsistent as the season wears on, but the main problem in the pitching staff right now is the bullpen.

I think Hampton will be back and solidify the rotation, but in any event, the team will know where they stand in mid-July regarding Hampton, Julio, Soriano, and Gonzales, and will know for sure what they’ll need in terms of SP or RP.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

*Lee in S. GA *, thats right, it was 4 in 1 game, so what would be the relevance of TEX being the 1st to hit 3 if 4 have been hit before? And im dont think he was the first to do that.

KC:

3B Chipper Jones continues to take treatment every minute he can for his right quad, which has a small tear in it. He can pinch hit, but he can barely jog and can’t move laterally.

—SS Yunel Escobar’s right hip flexor is of some concern to Braves trainers, who are not seeing as much resistance in manual tests as they would like.

By Lew

June 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

KCV-Wow. As a platoon with Blanco. $3mil a year and whatever players we’d have to give up for a platoon player with a sh!t OBP, No Power, a tendency towards injury and can’t even take a walk. THAT definitely makes it all right if we only play him twice a week.

By Epinephrine

June 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

DOB, if you still haven’t listened to MGMT, you need to get on that train

By KC

June 23, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Overlord-D-Day:

Thanks for informing me about the separation between the big leagues and AAA. I forgot all about that until you mentioned it.

Look, if and when Chuck James ever rejoins the Braves rotation, I’ll feel as uneasy as anyone. The images of his throwing in-game batting practice late last year and in his handfull of starts this season are still fresh in my mind.

And I don’t favor James over anyone currently in Atlanta’s rotation.

But I think it’s only fair to say we shouldn’t forget that before his shoulder started giving him problems late last year, he was working on a roughly 40 start stretch in which he went - I think it was - 18-11 with an ERA around 3.70 for the Braves.

And as I’ve mentioned previously, heading into his last start in July of 07’(2/3 of the way through the season) he was in the top-15 in the league in ERA.

James has ALWAYS struggled with homeruns. But when he’s at his best, you typically see him giving up a solo shot here and there, and he pitches effectively in spite of it.

Maybe he’ll never be effective at the big league level again. Hell, I don’t know.

I just thought it was worth mentioning that, despite his flaws, he was one of the more effective starters in the league from the half-way point of 2006, until about 2/3 of the way through last season.

That fact, coupled with his dominance at AAA, leads me to believe that maybe some of us have been to quick to write his big league eulogy.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the update DOB, appreciate it.

KC those are updates published on June 23rd (0500h).

By Stuart

June 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

KC,

Gonzo has thrown on back to back days in the minors. He had to show he was capable of doing that. It was a condition that had to be met in order to be considered healthy for his return. Since he struggled some and threw 27 pitches yesterday, he might not be available today, it is part of the process, stuff happens.
I know he is the closer, I have said as much on here. I knew in my gut that he walked into the role, and it is a good thing. He is a good closer, but he has 1 major league inning on his new elbow. He needs to pitch in some games, save or non-save. Even the great ones like Wagner and Hoffman, and Rivera pitch some in non-save situations. It is not something BC should be making a habit of, but I cannont find fault in the decision YESTERDAYH. If he starts yanking Gonzo around like he does Boyer, then I will have issue. Had Gonzo gone 1-2-3 with a K, we would not be having this discussion.
It was the fourth day since the Texas inning. He needs the work. He only has about 15 innings total on his new elbow. I cannont make that point enough.

When is Gonzo going to get that work? Are we going to cherry pick and use him on days before off days, or in just save situations. Then we can only use him 10-15 times for the rest of the year because we only get a few off days the rest of the year. Also, the braves seem (eyeball test) to not have as many classic ninth inning save situations as most teams. Hopefully that changes with Gonzo in there and everyone’s role is more defined.

The Mariners top prospect touched him up for a bomb, stuff happens. The original point of my first post that got all this going was that I think Gonzo is going to be fine. I was trying to be upbeat for once.

By KC

June 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

DOB: Joking man. Joking.

I used to own t-shirts that talked about torturing the New Kids. I had bumper stickers the drew interest from the FBI. lol

I wasn’t a fan. =)

By KC

June 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Lew: You keeping bringing up the “no power” thing. Seems to be a pretty big deal to you. but that flies directly in the face of your Ichiro suggestion.

Power is not an overly important stat on the resume of a leadoff type hitter. HEY… if Hanley Ramirez is available, GREAT! Otherwise, we might have to settle for a guy with some speed that prefers to hit the ball on the ground or on a line.

And if you have a better suggestion than Freel for the price tag (in terms of talent we’d have to give up)… let’s hear it.

By TURTSNAP

June 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

DOB, it’s been a while, and I can’t remember what Diaz is on the DL for, any updates on Matty?

As for this week, the Brewers series won’t be easy, as they are hot, but we catch a break and play them at the Ted, and then go to Toronto to play a struggling Blue Jay team, while the Phils began struggling at home, and now have to go on the road to Oakland and Texas. It could be setting up nicely, if the Braves take care of business.

By Stuart

June 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Bobby’s

The bravos have only been getting innings recently. Of course a health bell would help, but the issue still lies in the fact we have 4 rookies in the rotation. Before that Glavine and Smoltz were only going 5-6 innings. The bravos rank toward the bottom in innings pitched from the rotation. Bobby does yank the pen around, but sometimes he has to.

I am actually hopeful about this season, but also for the future.

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

About TEX matching Chippers 2 curtain calls in so little time….. I think the thing is that chipper is so spectacular, that everything he does (even if he hits 3 HRs), fans are already expecting it, there not muc emotions. He has to do things like hitting 500HR or hit .400 to get that curtain call.

By cabravesfan

June 23, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

KC- did you just use the words “Freel” and “play well defensively” in the same sentence? You ever seen this guy ply the outfield?

By StingerSplash

June 23, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

My cousins used to hang out with the guys who formed New Kids on the Block, before they became NKOTB, back on the streets of the Dorchester area of Boston. Even got a picture of one of them eating cereal in my uncle and aunt’s kitchen as a 10-year-old.

By David

June 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

DOB - if you’re taking requests, I’d love to get an update on the walking wounded Braves: Diaz, Hampton, Glavine, Smolty, etc. and even Esco and Chipper & the others with minor injuries.

By KC

June 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Stuart: “Had Gonzo gone 1-2-3 with a K, we would not be having this discussion.”

Nothing could be further from the truth. It is VERY common for a closer to get hit hard when he’s brought into a meaningless game. It’s weird, but it happens all the time.

I read absolutely NOTHING into Gonzo’s performance yesterday, and it doesn’t concern me in the slightest.

I also understand that Gonzo hadn’t pitched in several days, and there are times when you just need to get your closer some work.

But with Ben Sheets on the mound today, yesterday wasn’t the time to get him that work. If JoJo pitches well, and we can scratch out 2 or 3 runs off Sheets… we’ll need Gonzo tonight. But after getting some working in last night, I’m not sure he’ll be available.

That’s my problem with BC’s decision to work him yesterday.

By Bobby's Cox

June 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Jeff to the Dodgers for Looney… Supes

Not the 1st time I saw this. Do you think the Dodgers would want to acquire another one of our free swinging, high K/BB outfielders who struggle in the clutch?

I’d think they be more cautious next time around, and I don’t think they’d downgrade with Francoeur over Loney. Loney’s got a nice bat. Frenchy?

By Lew

June 23, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

KC-Dude, are you sick? Are you experiencing flu like symptoms? Do I need to suggest (a la Nathan) that you take some serious anti Psychotic medication?

Did I just see you post a comparison of Ryan F@@king Freel to Ichiro Suzuki? DUDE!!!!!

The only vague means of comparison to a 1500+ hit player with a career OBP of over .375 and a career BA of .331 to Freel, the Oft Injured and anemic, is that neither is a Home Run hitter. With that comparison,(whose inanity exceeds even your love fest with Willie Harris last year), you have lost all credibility.

By StingerSplash

June 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

The Braves will have some roster decisions to make when Prado gets back. You’d expect Littlefellow (Lillibridge) to head back to Richmond. B. Jones likely will get sent back too once Kotsay is healthy. With Prado, they could have some greater flexibility on the bench. That gives you Infante, who can play several positions, Prado and Gotay, plus Norton. Not bad. Not 96 Yankees, but not bad, either. It’s been worse. A lot worse.

By Stuart

June 23, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

KC,

I see where you are coming from. I just don’t see the issue in pitching yesterday vs. today.

BTW, the brewers usually decimate LHP, so maybe that had something to do with Gonzo going yesterday.

Bottom line, I think we both agree Gonzo is going to be fine, BC does yank the pen around some. We differ on yesterday.

By Chop Chop

June 23, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Thought I’d dash off a quick one from MMJ and Eddie Vedder because I have no idea when a new blog will appear…

By Coach (Put up, shut up, do or die)

June 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

O’Brien = number one AZZHOLE.

By Greg O.

June 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

DOB,Overlord, Lerew has already begun a minor-league assignment with the GCL Braves. He pitched one inning, June 20. 1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K. He took the loss. Here’s his MiLB.com page

By TURTSNAP

June 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

KC, I am pretty sure, if the game is on the line tonight in the ninth inning, you will see Gonzo come in to close it out. He’ll be rockin’ and a rollin’!

By Chop Chop

June 23, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

KC,

Ryan Freel is a homeless man’s pickle jar version of Ichiro.

By David

June 23, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop - THANKS for your 1:39 link! Great - I’d never seen that before!

By Cody

June 23, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

I am tired of everyone in this blog looking for Chuck James to come back and be productive. He is a AAAA pitcher that dominates in AAA but falters in the Majors. the problem is the fact that he throws on two great pitches and until he develops and masters a third he will never be a successful starter. The only option the Braves have with him at the moment is a reliever. He would make a great long man. Someone that faces a order once. He just don’t have the pitches to keep batters off balanced. Grant it he is a good lefty but until he gets a third pitch he is usless to our rotation.

By N8

June 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Maybe Random is actually Benjamin Linus?

By Overlord-D-Day

June 23, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the info Greg O.

By Crazy Stats Katz

June 23, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

O�Brien = number one AZZHOLE.

Cooch, you really need a woman.

By Random

June 23, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Crazy Stats Katz: “Random is the leader of the gotcha brigade!”

No, no — cha is just one of the many things I ain’t got none of ‘em.

(“I got plenty of nothin’, and nothin’s plenty for me.”)

By “intriguing”, I meant simply head-scratchingly odd, in a kind of odd, head-scratching sort of way.

Et tu, DOB? You wound me.

(But do freel fee — no, not Freel; you wanna get Lew started up again? — feel free to henceforth refer to me as “The Brigadier”.)

8-)

(You don’t think Stamper might be a mole at the AJC, do you? Or are you Stamper?!?)

Lew — thanx, man. And some nice, stinging ‘casm from you at 1:04. Yer sizzlin early today.

By Random

June 23, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

N8 —

You’ve lost me — who is “Benjamin Linus”?

By Shamus Thacker

June 23, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

If the Bravos are someday forced to adopt a more politically correct name, how bout “THE MAD COWS”

Nothing scarier than a big chopping heffer with mad cow disease.

By ncscoots

June 23, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

B. Jones likely will get sent back too once Kotsay is healthy.

I’m not so sure, anymore. If the Braves are content to go with Infante as the primary backup to CF, then having Jones’ power potential might make more sense than having Blanco stay up. Assuming that Diaz is going to take one OF spot when he returns, that Bobby won’t carry 5 OF, and that Jones doesn’t find one of those 5-for-34 Jay Bruce tailoffs.

It wouldn’t kill me to see Gotay’s spot taken by Prado, either, though Martin isn’t the monster upgrade there that some here think. But I’ve had a little trouble getting on that Gotay bandwagon, myself.

By David O'Brien

June 23, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG POSTED

13 Braves have hit three homers in a game since the team moved to Atlanta. Tex is first to do it at Turner Field (four opponents have)

One more time: Horner hit four in a game.

By varoadrunner

June 23, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Does anyone remember when the Braves hired a psychiatrist for John Smoltz? Seems like it was Dr. Jack Lewellyn(?). Smoltz couldn’t handle pitching in the majors. His mechanics were fine, but his head needed help. I’d say, by the results, it worked!

How about Frenchy. He’s strong, he seems to have talent, we know he CAN hit. It’s MENTAL! Get Frenchy a shrink!

He needs to get over this funk and it’s all in his head. He feels as if he MUST hit homeruns on every at-bat. AND they must be to left field. A shrink could help. DOB’s column about his numbers speak volumes…. He’s the weak link this year and until he comes around, it’s gonna be tough to win consistently. Pitchers are pitching around others to get to Frenchy - thus his numbers with runners on.

GET HIM HELP BRAVOS MANAGEMENT!

By NO MORE BOBBY

June 23, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

It would be nice to see the Braves show up on the road and deliver a knock out punch like the Brewers did tonight early. Man I miss Atlanta having that killer instinct!!!

THE BREWERS CAN FLIPPIN HIT!!!!

By herm

June 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

Why is Bobby Cox still coaching????Are we to settle for 3rd place every year now, like we were settling for the playoffs a couple of years ago. I think it is time to make that change. Bobby has taken us as far as he can.

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