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DEL.ICIO.USIt’s noon, how’s your elbow? Hammy?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Fort Lauderdale, Fla. - It’s almost noon, and still no new Braves injuries to report. That’s progress, right?
We’ll have at least one and probably two bullpen sessions to monitor this afternoon at the stadium formerly known as Joe Robbie, where banged-up old lefties Tom Glavine and Mike Hampton are expected to test their sore parts.
Glavine said he would throw today or tomorrow (but most likely today) to see if his right hammy is fit for competition, so he can tell the Braves whether or not he can make Saturday’s start against the Dodgers.
I’m guessing he’ll avoid what would be his first-ever DL stint and make the start, just knowing Glavine and how much he realizes the weary Braves need him to pitch.
Not that I think he’ll do something stupid and make a minor injury something worse by rushing his recovery. It just sounds like he’s made steady progress in an injury that wasn’t severe to begin with.
Did I mention the Braves really need him to pitch?
Not that Jeff Bennett couldn’t do a solid job replacing him for a game. But the Braves are already expected to have Buddy Carlyle going Friday, and if you follow Carlyle with Bennett, you’re probably talking about a couple of four-inning starts and a lot more wear on an injury-riddled bullpen.
As for Hampton, today’s test isn’t such a big deal, simply because he’s missed enough time now that he’s not going to be able to jump right back in the rotation even if he has no problems today with the pectoral muscle he strained almost two weeks ago.
He’ll almost certainly require a minor league rehab assignment, so don’t expect to see Hampton make his season debut for the Braves for at least two weeks, and possibly closer to a month. But I’m just educated-guessing there.
A little levity: Bad as things have been with the losses and injuries on this Bataan Death March of a road trip, it’s important to have a little levity injected into the clubhouse from time to time.
Bullpen coach Eddie Perez provided some yesterday, walking around with a Braves hooded sweatshirt that he’d doctored a bit. It was a postseason sweatshirt from a few years ago, with “MLB postseason” above the Braves logo.
Eddie took two pieces of athletic tape, covered the year before “MLB postseason” on one side and something else I couldn’t read on the other. And on the left (if you’re facing him) piece of tape he wrote “1999” on the right he wrote “MVP.”
Perez, you might recall, was MVP of the 1999 NLCS against the Mets, when he went 10-for-20 with two homers and five RBI.
More humor: On a daily basis, you see snapshots of cultural bonding in a clubhouse. Take Tuesday afternoon, for instance. The big screen TV in the back corner of the visitor’s clubhouse. Jair Jurrjens and Mark Teixeira sunk comfortably into leather furniture watching a DVD of Dazed and Confused.
I might not share musical tastes with many Braves, but we can certainly agree on some great movies, and that’s one of them. Great stuff. Matthew McConaughey as Wooderson, long before McConaughey became severely annoying.
Bullpen update: Royce Ring and Chris Resop, two of the out-of-options relievers the Braves decided to keep over Tyler Yates this spring, have ERAs of 13.50 and 11.12, respectively.
Ring’s spiked past 13 last night when he was tagged for two hits and two runs while recording two outs in an appearance that spanned the seventh and eighth innings. He’s allowed four runs, four hits and a walk in 2-2/3 innings over five appearances.
Resop finally had a clean inning. Well, almost clean. He gave up one hit. And almost an inning. He recorded two outs.
Bobby Cox wasn’t pleased at all with the ‘pen letting things get away late, turning a 2-0 deficit to a 4-0 gulf. Not just the fact that any remaining hope of a comeback vanished, but because Cox and the Braves need the other relievers to concentrate and produce, to pick up the slack while key guys are hurt.
They didn’t do that last night. Even veteran lefty Will Ohman, who’s been reliable, came on with two out in the ninth and issued a pair of bases-loaded walks. Ugly. Hard for the manager (and most of you) to watch.
Most of the 732 fans in the Marlin Mausoleum (aka Dolphin Stadium) loved it.
On a brighter note, the other of the three out-of-options relievers the Braves kept this spring, Blaine Boyer, has 13 strikeouts with only two walks in 7-2/3 innings. He ranks third among NL relievers with 15.26 strikeouts per nine innings.
Oh, and another positive, this time for Braves hitters: Strikeouts are way down, their 69 tied with Cincinnati for the league-low this season. Hey, nothing wrong with a positive stat to break things up.
The close-game problem: Want a good idea why the Braves have stunk in close games so far this season? Well, here’s a telling and alarming stat.
In close-and-late situations as defined by Stats Inc. (basically tied or one-run games after the sixth inning, though it’s more complicated than that), the Braves rank dead last in the NL with a meager .188 batting average.
Yes, they are 19-for-101 in those situations, including 0-for-10 by Jeff Francoeur, 1-for-10 by Yunel Escobar, 2-for-12 apiece by Matt Diaz and Brian McCann, and a combined 0-for-11 by bench guys Gotay, Prado, Blanco and Miller (no first names until there’s a close-and-late hit among them).
The only Brave hitting at least .300 in those situations? None other than Mark Teixeira, who’s 5-for-9 with a double and two homers in close-and-late situations. Mark Kotsay is 3-for-11 and Chipper Jones is 3-for-12.
While Braves hitters are last in the NL, opposing hitters are hitting .242 against Braves pitchers in close-and-late situations, and the five homers allowed by Atlanta pitchers is tied with Houston for the league high.
Bottom feeding, or starving: The Braves are a combined 12-for-90 (.133) with seven RBI from the last two spots in their batting order, and five of those RBI are from the ninth spot.
Braves No. 8 hitters have a .192 OBP, .200 slugging percentage, and two RBI. Oh, my. That includes Kotsay’s 3-for-23 and Diaz’s 2-for-17 with seven strikeouts from the position.
We have an answer to the team’s offensive malaise: An exorcist for the 8-hole.
One final stat to depress you all: The Braves have scored 27 runs in seven games on this road trip, and 10 of those were in one game. That’s 17 runs in the other six games, if my public-school math is accurate.
“I’LL SLOW YOU DOWN” by Warren Zevon
You know I hate it when you put your hand inside my head
And switch all my priorities around
Why don’t you go pick on someone your own size instead?
Go on without me, I’ll just slow you down
Go on without me, I’ll just slow you down
You always say you know me somehow I don’t think you do
Maybe you should buy another vowel
You’re jumping to conclusions so I can’t keep up with you
Go on without me, I’ll just slow you down
I’ll just hold you up
When I fall behind
I’ll just throw your schedule off
So you get going if you’re so inclined
You know I hate it when you put your hand inside my head
And switch all my priorities around
You think you’re pretty tricky but you’re simply overbred
Go on without me, I’ll just slow you down
Go on…
Go on…
Go on…
Go on…
Comments
By CE
April 16, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
3rd
By McFann
April 16, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
First?
2-12? Sheeeeeesh!!
By Stuart
April 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Pecs, Hammies, Elbows, OH MY!!!!
Maybe I will be first, and maybe some of the injuries will heal.
A man should have hope shouldn’t he?
By Andy K.
April 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
DOB, where’s Ryan Drese? Someone told me he got released…why? I thought the Braves thought he could be helpful down the stretch.
By Renegator
April 16, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
Stick a fork in this team - they are done. This is just like last year. They have the talent on the roster to win the division but something is holding them back. They can’t turn talent into results on the field.
Is that the players’ fault? Probably. Is that the coaches and managers’ fault? Probably. Either way - this team continues to not execute and perform up to their talent level.
And until they do - this team will be exactly like the teams of the past two years: a .500 team that finishes third in the NL East.
Sorry folks - it’s time to realize that this team is not going to live up to everybody’s expectations and compete for the World Series (Sorry Peter Gammons, Buster Olney, et al).
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
Thanks DOB.
The offense is going to have to wake up.
By Jeff R
April 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
What gives on these arm injuies to Moylan, Soriano and, last year, Gonzalez? Bad mechanics? Poor conditioning? Or rotten luck?
As to Glavine, maybe I’m wrong, but he didn’t look in great shape coming out of camp. I know some guys are going to put on a little weight when they get older, but Glavine seems a little chunky. Have only watched on TV, so he may not appear that way at all in person.
I’ve said this before, but I’ll be interested to see how Glavine, more than Smoltz, is holding up come July and August. Smoltz is a well conditioned athlete, form what I can see. I’d expect him to hold up a little better thru the dog days.
By Stuart
April 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
I have an idea in case Glavine can’t go. Maybe it is a bad one, but it is an idea none the less.
Since it is still early, why don’t the bravos ‘stack’ their pitchers kind of like a Spring Training game.
Example - Friday Start Bennett, pitch him for 4 innings - whatever happens, so be it. After Bennett Pitch Carlye 3-4 innings, whatever happens, happens.
If Glavine is out, then Chuck James or Jo Jo, get called up. Then ‘stack’ James/Jo Jo and #57 (I forget his name and hope for the best. We may win 13-12 or lose 20-1.
The whole idea is to try and bash our way to wins until people get healthy. Also it, in theory, keeps what is left of the quality arms fresh to go all out to win the starts by Huddy, Smoltz, and Jurrgens.
BTW, we miss Edgar, but Jair is going to be a solid pitcher for awhile.
By BossLady
April 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Catchy Lead In Title Today, LOL
By Wooderson
April 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
“That’s what I like about these high school girls. I keep getting older; they stay the same age.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4kDrWBa6c
By Rooster
April 16, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
It is time for a line-up change. The current line-up couldn’t hit sand if they fell off a camel. Johnson is not consistent enough to lead-off. 1.Escobar, 2. Kotsay, 3. Jones, 4. Tex, 5. Francouer, 6. Johnson, 7. McCann, 8. Blanco or Diaz. I moved McCann to 7th because that is a spot in the order that comes up alot to lead off the inning and McCann puts the ball into play. Also I justify Kotsay batting second because he to puts the ball into play and if Bobby uses hit and runs with Escobar, some of those ropes Kotsay has been hitting will find some holes. I believe Kotsay has shown us that he is close to his peak self. Bobby please change the line-up last night’s shutout was depressing. We make Chico (Nats) and Olsen (FLA) look like Roger “Freakin” Clemens.
By kdbanks
April 16, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Here’s why I’m not super concerned…at least regarding our starters. It seems like most of the runs our starters are giving up are coming in the 4th, 5th or 6th innings, after they have thrown 75 pitches or so. These guys just haven’t built up the stamina yet. It’s early in the season, the travel schedule has been really tough, etc. I think that once the starters have gone 5 or 6 games, their strength will be up to par and they’ll be able to throw better in the later parts of their starts - keeping balls down and hitting the corners. As it stands now, they seem to lose control a touch and balls hang up or float toward the middle of the plate.
Of course, with the injuries, we may only have two guys make 5 starts before the end of April.
By Renegator
April 16, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
DOB:
I heard Buck and Kincaid asking you yesterday about John Smoltz’s tee time at Doral on the off day (Monday). Is that what they did on their off day - play golf? Maybe that’s why the team looks flat after off days because they are playing golf.
Just a thought…
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
OK, Renegator. We’ll let everyone know. You’ve declared time to fold the tents, 13 games into a 162-game season.
Should they schedule tractor pulls and concerts the rest of the summer at Turner Field, or what? Let us know when you’ve figured that out, and we’ll pass along that information, too.
Right now I’ve gotta get on the phone and e-mail lists to let everyone know Renegator’s declared “it’s time.”
By Rooster
April 16, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
I will say this if we don’t win the next two over the Marlins, WE ARE SCREWED. We will not win the Dodgers series with Caryle and Bennett pitching in back-to-back games, UNLESS our offense finds its bats and homeplate. In the words of Bob “Ukey” in Major League: Braves (Pedro) must be afraid their (he’s) gonna kill a nat cause they (he) “ain’t swinging”. Offense needs to step you and cover up our lousey pitching replacements until the good ones return.
By Jeff R
April 16, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
The Braves need to stop trading with the Pirates. They seem to get the better of the Bravos. LaRouche for Gonzalez (Tommy John surgery) and Lillquist (talented but no place to play). Now management keeps Resop and Ring and ships Yates up north for a kid who may or may not pan out.
Stay away from those Bucs…
By Shamus Thacker
April 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
Hammy?? Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha AAAAAHHHHH-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha
Tommy WILL make his next start!
By Rooster
April 16, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB lets make sure we schedule some great concerts in the Braves absence. Lets get Ozzy, Aerosmith, Eagles, and on the country circuit, John Anderson, Steve Earl, “King George” Strait. We will all have a heck of a time. Watching the Braves right now is like going to a Kenny G concert. UGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
By Lee in S. GA
April 16, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
Move Johnson to the 7th or 8th position, bring up Josh Anderson and give him a chance in lf hitting at the top of the order. Put Diaz back as a platoon player and use him off of the bench. This may not cure everything but it sure could not be any worse.
By Brian
April 16, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
At what point does Roger McDowell take a little heat for this latest disaster? Under McDowell, good pitchers stay good, mediocre pitchers get worse, and everyone is less durable. Aren’t there at least 100 pitching coaches in the world that could produce those results?
Oh yeah, but Braves pitchers don’t find them all as friendly as good ol’ Roger, so it doesn’t matter.
Just look at Ring and Resop. With Leo, these two would’ve been a worthwhile gamble, with a real chance for a career year. With McDowell, other teams castoffs are just predictably bad.
By Renegator
April 16, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
Cute DOB
You can have them call me with any questions…
By Section 412
April 16, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
View from the cheap(ish) seats - lots of talk about intensity and fire. Having played all of the big 3 sports (one at a fairly high level), I “get” that it is tough to maintain intensity over a baseball season (it is, after all, a marathon and not a sprint, to steal an overused cliche). Football players can channel their intensity into a small number of peaks (16 per year). They have to, or they will get hurt or eliminated from contention quickly. Basketball players can coast at times over a much longer season, because so many teams make the playoffs, when the intensity can be turned up. Baseball is a different story.
On the one hand, the season is very long and maintaining razor focus is almost impossible. The problem is that only a few teams make the playoffs, so coasting can get you eliminated quickly, if you can’t “turn it on” at the drop of a hat. This team seems to struggle with maintaining a moderate level of focus and intensity over long stretches. This manifests itself in sharp play against teams like the Mutts, and seemingly indifferent play against the Nats, Fish, etc.
So who fixes it? It has to be a combination of coaches, leaders, and kids who think EVERY big-league game they get to play in is the biggest game ever. All of this is a long way to say that we really need a leader to step up. People often discount this notion, but strong leaders can carry teams. It also wouldn’t hurt to do as a few others have suggested and get Anderson up to take a start or two a week from Kotsay, who has cooled a little, and who likely wear down if he continues to play every day. ANYTHING to get the fire re-started.
This team is clearly able to turn it around and be very successful, but they need to find a way to maintain steady focus and stop the “polar opposites” that we have seen so far this year.
Don’t forget what we learned the hard way last year - starting pitching is the main ingredient in the playoff recipe. IF the big 3 can get and then stay healthy, with JJJ looking like the real deal, the foundation is there. Don’t write off the season — good things can still happen!
By Randy
April 16, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
D.O.B. What is the status of Soriano? How far away is his return?
By Jeff R
April 16, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Frankly, key pitchers on the Bravos staff had to be considered gambles going into 2008. One, that Glavine would give the team on the order of 15 wins and 200 innings. He may still do that, but the hamstring problem, though probably minor at this moment, has got to make management a little skittish. Two, that Smoltz’s arm and stamina make it through another campaign. Likely a reasonable outcome, though the knot in his shoulder points to: getting old… possiblity of breakdowns. Three, that Soriano would perform effectively as the closer, despite that period last season when he couldn’t get a soul out. He may prove to be effective, if his arm holds up, but no certainty.
And that’s the bigger point. With key pitchers come big “ifs.” You want to go into a season with little or nothing in the way of “Ifs” when it comes to core players.
By DAP
April 16, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
Brian At what point does Roger McDowell take a little heat for this latest disaster?
as soon as he gets all the credit for huddy pitching like a cy young candidate the last two years, moylan having an amazing rookie year, carlyle having a good few months after sucking his whole career, bennett coming from nowhere and getting us wins, we can blame mcdowell for all the bad stuff.
we blame all the bad stuff on the pitching coach, but all the good stuff? what? just happens despite him? if we are going to think he is that powerful over this pitching staff, we must give him credit everytime a pitcher does well, AND everytime a pitcher sux.
By Deep Throat
April 16, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
An important message to the Atlanta Braves tonight:
http://i30.tinypic.com/2md00so.jpg
By Workinlkeadawg
April 16, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
Like I said yesterday, Glavines mental and physical toughness remain immense. On the other hand. How long are the Braves gonna waste a roster sport on Hampton? I know He’s costing the Braves umpteen millions a year. But enough is enough. It was the shrewdest move ever made by the Rockies. It’s turned out to be the dumbest move JS has pulled. I know no other team wants him, but send his wimp butt to the minors and open up a spot for someone who can at least put in a few innings. The Braves are getting themselves into a hole that hopefully will end with 2 of 3 from the Marlins.
By Shaun
April 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
At what point does Roger McDowell take a little heat for this latest disaster? Under McDowell, good pitchers stay good, mediocre pitchers get worse, and everyone is less durable. Aren’t there at least 100 pitching coaches in the world that could produce those results?
Is this true?
In 2006 the Braves got good seasons from young Macay McBride and journeymen like Ken Ray, Chad Paronto and Tyler Yates.
In 2007 Moylan became a great set-up man and the Braves had the third-best ERA in the league.
His results have been somewhat mixed but I doubt it’s McDowell’s fault that Gonzalez, Soriano and Moylan got hurt.
Regarding Resop and Ring, they probably haven’t pitched 1/12th the innings that they will pitch this season. Jesus, can we give it some time?!
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
DOB i read somewhere that Moylan was having an MRI the day after he went into DL. I have not read anything about the results. Do yo have any news on that? Or a link to read about it or something?
Thanks.
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
Fan falls to death at Shea Stadium
Story Highlights
NEW YORK (AP) — A man attending a New York Mets game with his family lost his balance on an escalator and fell two stories to his death, police said.
Antonio Nararainsami, 36, and several relatives, including his two young daughters, were leaving the stadium at the end of Tuesday night’s game against the Washington Nationals when he fell in a section below the left field stands and landed on a concrete floor. Nararainsami, a Guyanese native who lived in Brooklyn, was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead half an hour later.
By jimmy dugan
April 16, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
there is no crying in baseball! i was peeing in the yard last night and i dont think the moon had turned to blood. this team isnt done.
By Chop Chop
April 16, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
Shaun,
If Resop hasn’t yet pitched 1/12th of the innings he’s going to pitch this year (I believe he’s thrown 5.2 IP so far), I’m joining Renegator. Stick a fork in ‘em with 149 left.
(By the way, I could live with Ring only having pitched 1/12th of his innings. He’s totaled just 2.2 IP so far.)
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
Last night was fustrating to listen too. I’m still hopefull of the season….used to be I had the upmost confidence in the Braves to get over hte hump when they struggle but he past two years has me leary.
By Lew
April 16, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
Stuart-We miss Edgar Renteria? Why exactly is that? Is it Yunel’s .333 BA and .424 OBP that makes us miss Edgar? Is it perhaps Yunel’s much greater range at shortstop or his cannon arm that makes us miss Edgar? Or is it the fact that Jurrjens has done nothing but impress us with his pitching since he got here that makes us regret the deal?
No, it’s hardly time to fold up the tents. As someone above mentioned, starting pitching is the key to it all and that is one aspect of the Braves’ game that has been more than encouraging. JJ has had three good starts despite his 1-2 record. Smoltz has been positively lights out as has Hudson. Glavine had two excellent starts before tweaking the hamstring. I get the impression he was taken out of the game as a precautionary measure and that the injury is less serious than our hand wringers and teeth gnashers would lead us to believe.
We all know that the offense will be fine. If we can weather this bullpen injury/ineffectiveness stretch, we’ll be just fine. Hell-if we could just get th3e bullpen to quit walking the bases loaded and then walking them in, we’ll be fine.
Only Snipper and the Mets’ Trolls could possibly be gloating over a .500 start. The big difference is that you know the Braves are currently underachieving, while the Mets are already playing to their capabilities. The future, while maybe not blindingly brilliant with the bullpen woes, is at least sunny.
By calicriz
April 16, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t mind seeing Kelly moved down to the 8 spot, Yunel leading off and Kotsay hitting second. If anything it will shake some things up and maybe get Kelly going a little bit. Kotsay is a good contact hitter and could be a really good #2 guy with runners on first or second, moving them over and setting the table for Chipper and Tex.
But guys, seriously, when Tex gets going and the weather warms up, this team is going to be very very good. We’ll be .500 after about 30 games or so then reel off a 35-15 stretch and never look back. Just watch.
By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
April 16, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Let’s just hope this nothing more than the “April blues” and once the weather warms up so will this team and that it won’t be too late by then although it looks like the Phillies and Mets have the same “blues”.
By KC
April 16, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
DOB: When are you expected a report on Moylan’s examination (by Dr. Andrews)?
By REASON
April 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
Rooster is the biggest idiot I have ever read, and I read Tommy Chong’s autobiography at the airport one time.
By BravesFanChris23
April 16, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
There’s definitely reasons and room to criticize and be concerned, that’s one thing that is undeinable. However, what is deniable and ridiculous is the ones going on like the season is over or “stick a for in them, they are done”. There’s plenty of time to come back. They are only 3 games behind and its not even a month into the season. The ones who are acting like that are being ridiculous right now.
I believe they’ll turn it around and they do have the tools to do so. Its just a mix of not playing well or starting off cold, whichever way you see it and bad luck with the injuries. The bright side is at least the injuries are happening early and not late in the season when it’ll really hurt. Soriano’s situation doesn’t look bad from I’ve been reading, so when he gets back that’ll be a boost. It sucks that Moylan’s could be worse than what it is, but Braves can turn it around. Once things click with the offense and the injury bug leaves, I believe Braves will be better.
If it doesn’t get better, it doesn’t and it’ll suck, but if you are truly a fan, you’ll stick by the team through the good, the bad and the ugly. I’m making no excuses for the team at all. They haven’t been playing up to snuff in certain aspects/areas of the team, but for every mistake they’ve made, they’ve shown some good stuff to be optimistic. I guess the pessimistic side is the popular one to focus on and disregard the bright side.
I’m disappointed myself currently, but realistically I am optimistic about there chances because there’s plenty of time to get all the bad stuff away and then get on the right track.
By DAP
April 16, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
last night, i played a softball game that started at 9:30. (me and my wife are in a co-ed league with our church) it was in the low 40s at game time.
before the game, i was running around in the outfield catching fly balls, try to get warm, and my right hamstring cramped up. i blame it on the cold, and not stretching good enough.
im pretty young, (23) ive hurt my hamstring before, but never like this. its extremely painful and there was no way i could even walk. it was pretty bad. the game started, i sat on the bench for a while trying to ease the pain.
in about 20 minutes, i wasnt 100%, but i was ok enough to hit and run the bases, (scored from first on one play) even though it was still a little tight. i came home put some ice on it, went to sleep, and this morning, its a little sore, but i think its ok.
i say all that to say, if what happened to me last night is what happened to glavine, there would be no way he could pitch right away, but its also something that should heal relatively quickly. i know im younger, but i also am not a pro athlete, and i dont have any trainers or anything.
all this to say, glavine will be fine, and he will pitch friday. he cramped up, just like i did last night, thats it. (just a guess, but i bet thats what happened)
By Shaun
April 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Let’s put Gotay at second and in the leadoff spot (.444 OBP). Yunel is fine. Chipper is fine. McCann cleanup. Prado at first base hitting fifth. Francoeur sixth. Blanco in left hitting seventh. Kotsay hitting eighth.
Hey, if we’re going to ignore the minuscule sample size that is the first 13 games of the season, why not go all out?
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
KC
DOB: When are you expected a report on Moylan’s examination (by Dr. Andrews)?
It’s going to be really bad news. I say don’t even think about it. When DOB reports it, you probably feel sick to your stomach.
It would be a positive if he could pitch at all this year.
By Chop Chop
April 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
I was looking at one of my fantasy baseball teams the other day and noticed that David Wright made 3 errors last week.
That got me thinking about something…
*Baseballs, if gloving you is wrong, then I’ve got to be Wright.”
By geauxbraves2000
April 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
I keep reading about the pitching, namely the blowpen, but it doesn’t matter if they give up no runs or a 100, the offense has to get going. I told my wife last night after the Marlins scored their first run that the game was over, and guess what? I was right.
I watched the Cubs last night, and Bob or Len stated that Kosuke F saw 17 pitches in his first two at bats. Gotta envy that.
Instead of Cox worrying about the pen giving up the 2 late runs, he needs to worry about the lineup being so lethargic (sp?) and so impatient.
I see another LHP on the hill for the Fish tonight, I can only assume the approach and the results are going to be the same. I hope I’m wrong but I’m not holding my breath.
On a positive side, wow, what a job the starters have done! You can’t ask for a better job. It’s a pleasure watching them pitch and just about dominate.
Geaux Braves!!
By BravesFanChris23
April 16, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
An old saying comes to mind about Braves for the season thus far…
April Showers Bring May Flowers
I just have a feeling that that’s how it could possibly turn out. April showers of bad luck could turn into May flowers and get back on track. I’m not guaranteeing it will or anything like that, but it could happen and Braves have the means to do it, so just be patient and wait and see.
By Bubdylan
April 16, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
Hey, what do you call an earthquake that knocks you off the commode?
A John Rocker.
By bobo
April 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Don’t forget about motocross!
By McFann
April 16, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
Is it Yunel’s .333 BA and .424 OBP that makes us miss Edgar? Is it perhaps Yunel’s much greater range at shortstop or his cannon arm that makes us miss Edgar? Lew
No, I think it’s Edgar’s mild manner and pure leadership capabilities that make us miss Edgar.
By GT81
April 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Cancel the season and have tractor pulls the rest of the season—that’s a good one.
It sure seemed like they didn’t have all these arm injuries when Leo was here. Maybe it was just luck, I don’t know…
By DAP
April 16, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
chop chop i like that. are you savanna heat? if so, trade me carlos lee. i need some offense. im augusta rock goblet.
By geauxbraves2000
April 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
Okay, I’ve got to get back to work, but I have one thing left to say: I went to the gas station the other day, went inside and handed the clerk $5 for gas; he farted and handed me a receipt.
Geaux Braves!!
By NCBravesFan
April 16, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
DOB As a result of the now concluded season, will this space now be known as the Men-in-Black & Tractor Pulls blog? :)
(And do the fish fans know they just made the playoffs?! GASP!)
By Bowie
April 16, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
Fire Pendleton and replace him with Chris Chambliss. Fire McDowell and replace him with Leo. Fire the trainer Frank Fultz for all the injuries. Ask Bobby to retire and replace him with Brian Sniker. Bring up Josh Anderson and let the kid play.
By Bowie
April 16, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
Fire Pendleton and replace him with Chris Chambliss. Fire McDowell and replace him with Leo. Fire the trainer Frank Fultz for all the injuries. Ask Bobby to retire and replace him with Brian Snitker. Bring up Josh Anderson and let the kid play.
By KYLE
April 16, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this
Any word on Moylan?
By Shaun
April 16, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
No, I think it’s Edgar’s mild manner and pure leadership capabilities that make us miss Edgar.
With Edgar’s leadership the Braves had the same type team that many of you are complaining about this extremely young season.
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
Lew team is underachieving, but it has been doing so for more than a year. So i hope they start playing up to their potential, but im not that sure they will. If you pay some attention to other teams, and watch other teams games, youll see a big difference between our braves and other (winners) teams. Something is just not OK here.
By Shaun
April 16, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
It sure seemed like they didn’t have all these arm injuries when Leo was here. Maybe it was just luck, I don’t know…
People are still complaining that the Braves didn’t win enough World Series during the time Leo was here. I suppose some are always going to find something to complain about.
By wiki
April 16, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
Prediction for the rest of the series:
Win one by 10 runs. Lose one by a run.
By Cecil34
April 16, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
This subject relates back to my post of a few days ago concerning the Braves’ slow-starting Aprils, that the starters are not getting enough quality at-bats in spring training.
Now of course, I know “quality” is subjective when referring to spring training, i.e. pitching, but doggone it, I don’t think the right guys are playing enough innings in florida in March. It takes them April to catch up.
I feel I am beating a dead horse with this one but I will also offer that the unseasonably cold weather the Braves have had to suffer through does not help anything.
As we all know, baseball was meant to be played in warm weather; that is why the season is from April to September.
So what is happened to April? It appears to this observer that the seasons are shifting. Not Armageddon-type shifting, but there is evidence to support harsher Aprils than in years past.
And it does appear some northern teams deal with colder conditions more successfully.
a real nice solution to this issue could be to chop some of the regular season games off an already torturous 162 game regular season. Especially when you consider the addition of a marathon post-season that the playoff teams have to contend with. Start the season later.
And those of us 40 and older know what kind of havoc cold weather plays with our bodies!
Any of you older bloggers remember consistently cold Aprils back in the 50’s, 60’s or 70’s??? I don’t.
By REASON
April 16, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
**FIRE AJC GUY FOR LETTING NO SENSE IDIOTS POST.
By Reason2
April 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
Where does that leave you Reason?
By Kev
April 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
DOB
Any news on Moylan???? sorry for the desperation. :(
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
Can’t wait for DOB’s “THIS JUST IN” to be reported. Moylan out for the season. Well, at least we will have a potentially amazing bullpen next season with Soriano, Gonzalez, Moylan, Acosta and Boyer.
By REASON
April 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
FIRE AJC GUY FOR LETTING PEOPLE LIKE BOWIE POST
By REASON
April 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
Of course their is bullpen concerns, the two best relievers are on the DL. Until young braves learn how to approach plate with patience, like Yankees and Red Sox, this lineup will continue to be feast or famine. Starters are fine, Glavine makes next start, never relying on Hampton in first place.
That puts me a logical person and poster, Reason2
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
Bobo, good point. That huge video board at Turner Field would be outstanding for motocross.
By SNIPER-69
April 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
Lew-ser, you should have been a politician. All that non-sense you just wrote is crap. Your bullpen isn’t any good. Your offense is the same as last year, living for the three run homer. Over the last two years the braves have been a .500 team and that won’t change this year. Last year you told yourself and others the same bull about everything is gonna be fine….NO IT WON’T…..You’ll see.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
Overlord, I don’t provide links to stories that are on our current ajc.com Braves page. It’d take you less time to find it than it would for me to link it. Sorry, but that’s just ridiculous. Try hard to look for it.
By USMC DAWG
April 16, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
The bottom line is, it’s time for Bobby Cox to hang ‘em up. Look at what Freddy Gonzales is doing in Florida with a bunch of no-names. Other than Uggla and Ramirez, name 4 players for the Marlins? This organization would be better off in the long run for BC to retire ASAP, get TP as interim mgr., and hopefully try and lure Gonzales home in the off season.
By REASON
April 16, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Of course their is bullpen concerns, the two best relievers are on the DL. Until young braves learn how to approach plate with patience, like Yankees and Red Sox, this lineup will continue to be feast or famine. Starters are fine, Glavine makes next start, never relying on Hampton in first place.
That puts me a logical person and poster, Reason2
By ncscoots
April 16, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
Rooster is the biggest idiot I have ever read, and I read Tommy Chong’s autobiography at the airport one time.
Without comment on the the truthfulness of this post, I will say…
Bubba, now THAT’S funny.
now, baseball…
Ah, to hell with it. Folks here are proposing lineup changes with the regularity of a fantasy league, blowing up bullpens with the mirth of a mad IRA bomber, and firing off trade scenarios for the absolute least likely time of the year for trades. One simply cannot compete with that.
Not even 30 Rock WITH new epsiodes.
By REASON
April 16, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
Anybody that says Bobby Cox needs to get fired, quit, etc. belongs on the short bus. That is ridiculous, especially to think Freddy Gonzales is better, someone he TAUGHT. And the Marlins aren’t full of no namers, everybody in that lineup last night, either is already an up and coming star, or soon will be.
By beachcomber
April 16, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
Interesting stats on close and late in the blog. Here’s another set based on games decided by two runs or less comparing a Hall of Famer and someone who is going to be an overpaid first baseman for either the Mets or Yanks next year.
Chipper - 31 AB, 11 hits, 2 HR, 8 RBI’s, 9 LOB 4 K’s .355
Tex - 29 AB, 4 hits, 1 HR, 2 RBI’s 14 LOB, 3 K’s - .138.
It’s early but this continues a trend from last year where Tex piled up a lot of his numbers in 10-3 affairs.
By GeorgetownKid
April 16, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
A quick note on the Bobby Cox discussion (which I can’t believe has resurfaced):
I was in Philadephia last weekend listening to their sports-talk radio, and the DJs were saying that the Braves-Mets-Phils race will be so close that it could come down to managing.
All 3 of the Philadelphia sports DJs gave the unequivocal advantage to the Braves in that department.
If Frank Wren or whomever were to fire Bobby Cox, BC would probably quietly retire then be inducted into the Hall of Fame as soon as he is eligible. It would then be remembered as one of the most counterproductive (and dishonorable) front office decisions in recent sports history.
Why is it that 99% of the baseball world recognizes how lucky we are to have Bobby Cox, but the last 1% all write on this blog?
By Lew
April 16, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Snipper-Hey DB, you know what? The Mets are a .500 team so far, even with Johan The Great. You sure do talk big for a fan of a team that is barely breaking even with their Superstar and has not made a dent in the Marlins’ start themselves. Look to your own bunch of ancient retreads and then tell me honestly you’re really all that confidant. Dream on you contentious windbag.
By GeorgetownKid
April 16, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
By the way, has anyone noticed how bad Thorman is playing in Richmond? He is batting under .150, and didn’t have a hit in the first 5 games or so.
The guy went from being a potential solid big league first baseman with 25-HR potential to a likely washout that nobody else bothers to take off our hands for free.
Anderson, on the other hand, it tearing it up in Richmond. I still can’t believe we got him for Villareal.
By TBraveFan
April 16, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Just read the article on Moylan — I’m in Birmingham until tomorrow and my BHM office is very close to Dr. Andrews - maybe I should be on the lookout for Moylan… Stranger things have happened - a couple of months ago I ran into Kenny Chesney when he was doing some rehabbing in between concerts - seems more likely to see one of our pitching staff….
By Random
April 16, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
Good answer, kid!! (Notwithstanding Shaun’s dourly literal snipe at some other bloggers).
By Renegator
April 16, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
I just want to know who’s job it is to teach the Braves how to hit a left handed starter.
Knowing that they are facing a lefty tonight means that we already know the outcome of the game - no runs scored until the 6th inning, if at all.
By Jim
April 16, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
Patience is nice, but when you have pitchers like Chico, Redden, and Olsen the last few games who were throwing nothing but strikes, patience will only get you into an 0-2 hole. Could the Braves have been more patient with Jiminez in Colorado? Probably, but patience was not the problem in the 5 run ninth against the Pirates when we ran into pitchers with a control problem. We have to tip our hat to Olsen last night. The Braves did not beat themselves, he beat them by throwing first-pitch strikes. Only Francouer and Diaz are overly aggresive hitters in our lineup. Maybe pitchers don’t fear most of our hitters enough to make them work more carefully.
By scott boras
April 16, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
wow everyone in a bashing mood.. i understand .we are frustrated!! but how can u say “put a fork in them they are done”? we have finished half of first month!mets lost bigger lead in september..CALM DOWN!
we do however fix this injured pitching team
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
DOB sorry about that one. I just saw the link on the braves page. I suppose this is the 2nd time i ask about something that is already written on the site. Sometimes i just leave the blog page open and i post before checking on the braves home page.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
Has anyone noticed Gorkys Hernandez performance in the Carolina league?
He is batting .327/.393/.527 with 3 2B’s, 4 3B’s and 0 HR and 7 RBI’s in the leadoff spot through 55 at-bats. He is also 5 for 6 in stolen base attempts. 5/8 BB/K ratio is pretty impressive as well.
The kid is only 20 years old.
Someone tell me again why the Renteria trade was a bad thing?
By Charlie Hustle
April 16, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
What your Braves boys need are some greenies to help ‘em get up for the games. Always worked for me, hell I lead the world with the most career hits. Greenies and Mr. Coffee, just what the IYC and I did to make it through the season. Why do think I used to run to first base on a walk? I was about to crawl out of my skin!
By Shaun
April 16, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Coors Field had some great tractor pulls and concerts after the Rockies fell 8 games back on July 2nd last year.
As I recall, so did Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium after the Braves fell 9-1/2 back at the All-Star break in 1991.
By DAP
April 16, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
USMC DAWG Other than Uggla and Ramirez, name 4 players for the Marlins?
off the top of my head, alfredo amezega, mike jacobs josh willingham, jeremy hermida.
that was easy. do you watch many braves games? id be surprised at any “fans” who arent pretty familiar with rival teams in the division.
by the way, the marlins arent slouches. they really have some good players. if they could just hang onto them for a change….
By Bravo66
April 16, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Hey Georgetown Kid
I want to work for you someday with the kind of job performance/results expectations you have.
Bobby Cox, with all the all-star talent he’s had over the years…net result..one world championship.
I’ll admit he’s great at standing in the corner of the dugout and barking out his pet nicknames to the Braves hitters, but that’s about it.
Do you honestly think 99% of Braves fans think he’s a good manager right now? He’s ready for a rocking chair but they’ll have to drag him away from Turner Field, kicking, screaming and cussing.
And that man can definitely cuss. A great example to all the youngsters watching.
By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
April 16, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
Georgetownkid, I think Cox is a great coach but he could be losing his touch. It happens to the best. Look at Bill Parcels. He was just never able to recapture the magic at Dallas he had with the Jets, Patriots, and Giants. Cox just does things that boggles the mind and he doesn’t seem to get his team fired up when they need to be fired up. Look, I can give a guy like Marv Levy the benefit of the doubt. His Buffalo Bills were only the better team in one of those Super Bowls. Now, contrast to the Braves. They were the better team in every World Series they played in except for 1999. They had the best team in the National League going into the playoffs every year except for 2005. Yet, they only have one World Series ring? Are we to buy its bad luck? I just don’t think so.
By DAP
April 16, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
by the way, i really like josh willingham…would any of you trade in him stright up for matt diaz if you could? i love diaz to, but id do that trade.
By Shaun
April 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Random, it’s easy to snipe when folks are acting like 13 games are the entire season.
By SeligSucks
April 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
It is still early, but there are disturbing trends that have been happening for the last 2 to 3 years in Atlanta.
Overall this team is very good on paper. I just hope that we can weather these early-season doldrums to get to the point when Tex is hitting/Kelly is walking/Bullpen is dealing.
By Jim
April 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
No name players? Ramirez is the best kept secret in baseball, if not already one of the best players. Uggla has about the best power numbers for all MLB second basemen. Hermida was considered a better prospect than Francouer when they were drafted. Jacobs is a good young power hitter, Willingham has developed into a solid major league player. The Marlins don’t have the pitching to compete with the other teams in the division right now, but they do have talent and they are young.
By Immortal Yankee Clipper
April 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
Rose, your.and.idiot. and a filthly degenerate gambler, how dare you compare yourself to me. I will admit to a bit of a sweet tooth for the greenies and Mr. Coffee, but with a career like mine, cut me some slack.
How’s not being in the HOF working for you, Charlie Douchebag, Hotdog?
Marilyn’s true hubby.
By Frank
April 16, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
It is still early, but there are disturbing trends that have been happening for the last 2 to 3 years in Atlanta.
Overall this team is very good on paper. I just hope that we can weather these early-season doldrums to get to the point when Tex is hitting/Kelly is walking/Bullpen is dealing.
By SNIPER-69
April 16, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
No matter what garbage you put out there Lew-ser, your braves are still looking up at the Mets. You don’t think the Marlins are going to stay atop of the division….do you? Your list of injured is bigger than the Mets. We’re playing better than your braves which will continue all year….deal with it skank.
By Frank Wren
April 16, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Do y’all think i should call up Anderson? I’m new at this so i’m having doubts. I can’t get a hold of JS.
By Shaun
April 16, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
They were the better team in every World Series they played in except for 1999. They had the best team in the National League going into the playoffs every year except for 2005. Yet, they only have one World Series ring? Are we to buy its bad luck? I just don’t think so.
1) I’m not so sure they were the best team in the World Series or best team in the NL going into the playoffs every year except a couple.
2) Since when does the best team always win in the playoffs?
By cityofdecatur
April 16, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
to all the naysayers out there …….. patience this team reminds me of a 65 Buick i once had. took a good while to warm up but once it did it could fly . time to reset the choke tune er up and by june we’ll be hummin on all cylinders. Glavine did put on some blubber though and ol’ man that’ll put some strain on the old hammy. Somebody get Glavine off the AJones diet. Tommy it don’t suit ya. without panic Wren needs to look for some pitching. How the weather in fort liquordale DOB.
By Cecil34
April 16, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
Concerning Bobby…
In any position of leadership I have been in, whether it was the USMC or civilian business, I have always ultimately been responsible for what my men, women or team did or failed to do.
The unit or team is only as good as it has been trained by it’s leadership.
Consistently under-achieving or poor producing teams usually result in a management change.
The Braves would prefer retirement to actually having to act on the above-mentioned performance results. Much more of a save-face, graceful exit.
By REASON
April 16, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
Robert and Bravo66,
99% percent of the braves fans that know anything about baseball think Cox is still the best manager in the bigs. Your one knock is World Series victories, how many other managers gave their team just that many opportunities? Who else could’ve got what they did out of JD Drew, Sid Bream, Mark Lemke, Mike Remlinger, etc. etc. And to even compare to Bill Parcels who still had magic at Dallas (Romo dropped winning field goal, took Quincy Carter led team to playoffs) and Marv Levy (who by the way had best record in NFL all 4 years) is ridiculous. Go back to the short bus fellows.
By BravesinTN
April 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
DOB, what do you think of the new CD by The Kooks? I like it. Or, the new Raconteurs (sp?) disc? How are Schaffer (sp? again) and Anderson doing down on the farm?
By Desert Brave
April 16, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
DOB: I checked out that Hayes Carl CD… all I can say is AWESOME!!!
Thanks!!
By GeorgetownKid
April 16, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Was it Bobby Cox’s fault in 2002 (or was it 03?) when Glavine got pummelled in game 5 against the Giants and Gary Sheffield batted under .200 for the series?
Or maybe it was Cox’s fault when Sid Bream hit into a double play with runners in scoring position in game 7 against the Twins? Or perhaps it was Cox’s fault when Lonnie Smith made a bone-headed baserunning decision?
Luck and momentum, along with hitting streaks and slumps, are a part of baseball. Indeed, luck plays a part in almost all human activities and interactions. If one or two plays go a different way, they would have 2 or 3 trophies not just 1.
Furthermore, how exactly do you think the baseball marketplace views Bobby Cox? How many team owners would fire their managers in a heartbeat if they believed they had a shot at signing Bobby Cox (who would be newly fired were some of you the GM of the Braves)?
My last point - when the Marlins play the Braves, that contest does not involve Bobby Cox and Freddie Gonzalez playing a game of chess, a contest in which the more skilled manager wins. If the Braves beat the Marlins, or vice versa, the impact of either manager on the outcome of that particular contest is quite minimal.
So I do not believe that Bobby Cox is “on his way out” or “headed to a rocking chair” nor should he be. He is 66, not 106. There is no reason to believe he has “lost his touch” or any other such nonsense.
By Jim
April 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
In 1991, the Pirates were the best team in the playoffs and the Twins had a home field advantage 4-3 in a series where the home team won every game. In 1992 the Braves and Blue Jays were probably even. The Braves were the best team in 1993, but in 1995 the Indians were considered the WS favorite. In 1996, the Braves and Yankees were pretty close in talent except that the Yankees had Rivera and Wettland to close out the games. In 1997 the Marlins played the Braves tough all season long and had a very solid team. In 1998 we should have been in the WS, but were not necessarily better than the Yankees. In 1999 we overachieved to reach the WS. Smoltz was throwing sidearm and learning a knuckleball just to avoid surgery, Galaraga was out for the year with cancer, and Lopez went down early in the summer. By 2000, the pitching was getting older and Sheffield produced absolutely nothing in the playoffs. In 2004 and 2005 we overachieved to make the playoffs. The Braves teams of the 1990’s and early 2000’s were good but always lacked a key ingriedient, whether it was a stopper in the bullpen, patience at the plate, or finally a lack of big-time arms in the rotation.
By Shaun
April 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
Robert (Chipper Is The Best), take a look at the list of best single-season teams 1991-2005 and tell me how many won the World Series. I’ll give you a hint: Only two of the top 15 (the 1998 Yankees and 1995 Braves). I suppose the other 13 (and the many others with great records that lost in the playoffs or failed to make the playoffs) had bad managers.
By brent a.
April 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
I’m glad to know that Stats, Inc. confirmed just how good the Braves are ;-).
Anyway, yes, Smoltz & Hudson, but we need to score runs to make their starts worthwhile.
Let’s just hope that, for a change, when the Braves get home, they actually go out and treat it a like a real homestand, get some R&R and come out ot the park ready to play.
By the time the Lakers win the championship in June, I want the Braves to be firmly in first place.
By Kev
April 16, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this
Jesus,are you guys listenig to yourself, like Shaun said…you guys think the season lasts 13 games??? you guys sound like were in september and plumbing down??? calm the heck down…i suggest you guys wait until July/August to start saying whos fired and who should go,who we have to trade…blah blah blah…the fact is that its been 13 GAMES…i want so bad for the Braves to go on a Winning Streak..so you guys SHUT UP!!!
By ET90210
April 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
Mets have a $37 million payroll advantage now?!?!
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/04/16/2008-mlb-payrolls-revealed/
By Cecil34
April 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
I might add one issue - and a big one…
What qualifies as being successful or unsuccessful as a major league baseball manager?
This is where we are all having confusion….
Depending you your point of view, Bobby either could be one of the best there ever was, or a consistant under-achiever.
By Random
April 16, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Agreed — sniping is good at the right targets, and (as they say) we’ve been in a target rich environment here lately.
By BillsNV
April 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
I found this in Jon Heyman’s new article. He really hammers Hampton in it also. *It appears that top Braves outfield prospect Jordan Schafer was felled by MLB’s new tip line. Someone — it is believed it was another player — called in a tip regarding Schafer’s HGH usage, and MLB’s new investigative arm nabbed its first user. *
Link
Thanks DOB! Go Braves!
By brent a.
April 16, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this
As far as the Cox argument goes, I still say that even Adolph Rupp was encouraged to quit, and John Wooden, while he left on top, might not have been the same coach in 1985, as he was in 1975. It happens, folks.
It’s not a crime. I, as much as anybody wanted to see a triumphant return for Tom Glavine, wherein he, Smoltz, and Cox could go out together on top.
It coud still happen. The season is long, and key trades are not usually made until July.
But, we are going on year 3 of mediocrity now. What will happen to make that change?
By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
April 16, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
For the record, Reason, Parcells only took his Cowboys teams to the playoffs 2 of the 4 years he was there and the Cowboys shouldn’t have been in the position for Romo’s play to have mattered. Yes, Levy had the best record in the NFL those 4 years but how many Super Bowl titles did he win? And, it is not as if JD Drew is some stiff who had one good year!
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
I know it’s a small sample size but the Braves are 4-1 when Hudson and Smoltz starts. They are 1-7 when everyone else starts…..
Hopefully that trend doesn’t continue.
By The Crab
April 16, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
You don’t think the Marlins are going to stay atop of the division….do you?
SNIPER-69
How many people thought the Rockies were going to the W.S. last year either. I am sure you did with all of your baseball wisdom.
By What We Should've Done Doggonit!
April 16, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
But then again, I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, but doggonit, you look at what transpired and what this team could’ve had, and seriously question management and their planning ahead.
By tiger7_88
April 16, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
You can never go wrong with Zevon, O’Brien.
NEVER.
Great job on the blog, oh Blog Master.
By Joshua Fan
April 16, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
I agree with Frank completely. Is anyone listening to TP? Perhaps his coaching ability isn’t the caliber of his hitting ability. You guys read this blog this morning about the Braves “hard luck”?
[http://bravesnuworld.com/] (http://bravesnuworld.com/)
It was dead on. When did this happen?
By Kev
April 16, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
DOB
As BillNV posted the link….is this figure correct on the Braves payroll??
$102,424,018…it says the “change” from last year is :$12,931,333…. is this true????????
By Reason
April 16, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
That all works doggonit if you concede last year as a losing season at the all star break and dont go for the playoffs. And the people we traded for Tex are doin crap for Texas, but other than that, not some bad ideas.
By Ed Glennon
April 16, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
I heard a rumor that Tex is going to wear number 25 in honor of Andruw’s swing. Maybe he can pick up a $36 million two year contract next year too. The question is will he hit sixth or seventh in the lineup next year?
By flange1
April 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
What we should have done,
Dude hind site is usually 20/20 except in your case…
Esocbar is a better SS than Renteria at this point in his career. Sorry, he has more range, a better arm and upside potential. Rent is a great guy and teammate but Yunel is the better player.
KJ is considered one of the best young hitters in baseball. Yunel IS NOT A 2B. If you remember last year, he is not comfortable at 2B, doesn’t like 2B and is only adaquete at best at 2B. BAD MOVE.
Dan Haren would have been nice. Would you have given up the TEX package for Haren? I don’t know. Is he worth more than Tex? Not sure..
Kotsay is a veteran pro. The Braves had 2 real vets as starters after Rent was traded. They wanted a veteran presence. Anderson is a nice player but he is more of a 4th OF than a starter.
Devine was losing his sparkle. Most suggest that middle relief was his upside. Has control issues ala Resop and Ring.
6.I don’t want to redo the Salty stuff, but it was obvious that BMac played worse when Salty was here.
Sorry dude, I disagree with your entire post.
The Rent trade was a GREAT trade.
The Devine trade was a good trade.
The Glavine signing was a great move.
The Tex trade was the right thing to do at the time. Was it worth it? I don’t think we will ever know…
By NCBravesFan
April 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
We need a roster shakeup!!!
Are Willie Mays Hayes or Nuke LaLoosh available?
By Joshua Fan
April 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
How do you put links on here?
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By Joshua Fan
April 16, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
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By No Runs And Good Pitching
April 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Motto for the month of April
By No Runs And Good Pitching
April 16, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
Motto for the month of April, except from the bully pen
By No Runs And Good Pitching
April 16, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this
PEOPLE CHILL OUT!!!!!! The season is going to correct itself. The Braves will heat-up and prospects (trade) will be there to get the help in July.
By Reason
April 16, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
Gonna have to go with flange1 on that one.
By Shamus Thacker
April 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
Really count’n on Hammy!
He’s tougher than a goose-down comforter!
By Renegator
April 16, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
Nice link Joshua Fan. I agree with you - it hits the nail right on the head. This team has no fundamentals.
Who’s job is it to teach players the fundamentals or make them practice them? Coaches and managers.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
Renegator = R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D.
Glavine, Smoltz, Hudson and Chipper are all arguably headed to the Hall of Fame.
McCann, Francoeur, Teixeira and Escobar are All-Star caliber.
Soriano, Johnson, Kotsay, Jurrjens and Moylan are more than capable.
Give it time people. This team has been derailed by injury and inconsistency.
Their is simply too much talent on this roster for this to continue.
When and if they get healthy, they will win.
By OrlandoFan
April 16, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
Some great exercises in hindsight going on here!
By Spider
April 16, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
DOB Good Call on Hayes Carll. She left me for Jesus might be the greatest country song ever written!
By McFann
April 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this
We’re playing better than your braves which will continue all year Sniper-69
So…If the Mets finished second and missed the playoffs but were still better than the Braves, you’d be satisfied?
I still like Renteria and wish we had him. Just ‘cause he’s not doin’ so well with Detroit doesn’t mean he’d be doin’ the same if he was with the Braves.
At least we got JJJ for him, though, I guess. To bad they didn’t give the poor man any support last night.
Thanks, Random!
By Ramblin Wrecker
April 16, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Question, why in the world should Mike Hampton make any rehab starts? I don’t think his re-debut should be delayed. If he’s going to get hurt again, shouldn’t it be on a major league mound instead of in Richmond? I vote when he’s deemed healthy, give him a few days of prep (like a normal in between starts routine) and then put him out there. Chipper Jones doesn’t take rehab stints and he comes out hitting like a madman. Why not try the same with Hampton? He’s been effective in both spring trainings, so to me he has the ability to jump in where he left off pitching-wise, so why risk injury on a minor league mound (that may not be up to snuff, or a minor league bullpen mound) in some small town somewhere.
Just my opinion.
By Daybed Wagmoe
April 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
1. Kept Renteria to play short Why? Escobar is off to a terrific start, both on offense and defense. Or maybe you’d prefer Renteria’s .268 average to Escobar’s .333 so far? Keep in mind that Renteria’s salary is $10 million this year, while Escboar is cheap.
2. Played Escobar at 2b Again, why? Escobar’s natural position is SS, and Wren and Cox said over and over that they were happy with how KJ adapted to 2b.
3. Traded KJ & others (maybe lilibridge &/or B. Jones &/or Andrus or Devine) to acquire Dan Haren This is a point that you can only make now, once you’ve seen that the rotation is more shaky than we thought it would’ve been. Glavine and Jurrjens had already been acquired, and Lillibridge and B. Jones were supposed to fight for roster spots in Spring Training. (Elvis Andrus was traded to Texas for Teixeira.)
4. Not traded for Kotsay & put Anderson in center. Afterall, we already traded for Anderson & thought he was ready, so why is he on the farm tearing it up in Richmond? We acquired Anderson as an insurance plan, not to be the starting CF. The Braves said so at the time. And besides, there’s a huge difference between doing well in AAA and the majors, and some guys aren’t able to do it. I know that Anderson performed well in his time with Houston last year, but that’s a mighty small sample.
5. Would’ve had our 1st round draft pick Devine, who was ready after a strong minors last year, this year in our bullpen. At this point, I too wish that we had kept Devine. However, it could’ve meant making CF a liability — evidently, not including Devine in the trade meant not acquiring Kotsay (who’s only costing us $2 million this year), and that’s a smart move. Keep in mind, too, that Oakland sent Devine down to the minors to open the season.
6. Not traded for Tex. We gave up a lot for a player we’re losing after this year & previously knowing that pithcing needed the most help. Could’ve traded more youngers for a first baseman. Could’ve had Salty as a backup C (to throw runners out) and a backup 1st baseman. Could’ve then traded Pena instead of having him complicate our waivers scenario & thus carrying 3 catchers. No — when you have the opportunity to trade for a guy who gives you 17 hr and 56 rbi in 54 games, you do it. If you only have the proven thing for a season and a half at the risk of losing some unproven prospects, you still go for it. Tex is off to a slow start this year, but take a look at his month-by-month numbers and you’ll see that he’s going to be an MVP-caliber player this season.
And besides, if we hadn’t traded for Tex, who would you put at 1st? Thorman? Salty? There’s no other options. If we hadn’t traded for Tex, you wouldn’t hear any talk about the Braves possibly reaching the postseason.
7. Wouldn’t had to sign glavine (if we got Haren) & had more money to sign relievers. Still would’ve had young trade bait to trade for a JJ or other 4th starter. Or traded a devine or whatever for a 1st basemen, instead of a centerfield position we were stocked in. We wouldn’t have had more money to sign relievers if we hung onto Renteria. And after trading for Tex, we really would’ve been hurting ourselves by trading for Haren. Yeah, we’re stocked in CF, but none of them are major-league ready.
The Glavine signing made sense — he’s still capable of throwing quality starts, and we’re paying him a very reasonable price.
By TBraveFan
April 16, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
regarding the fundamentals - I hope no one insinuates that Glenn Hubbard doesn’t go above and beyond teaching fundamentals. I can’t speak to any other coach, but it’s very obvious he is out there day in and day out, working with the kids on fielding.
By Renegator
April 16, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Coach
It’s not a question of talent. It’s a question of turning that talent into wins (execution).
That is the problem with this team. We know they have plenty of talent. But they can’t seem to win.
Thanks for spelling out my name - but you spelled it wrong. It’s R-E-N-E-G-A-T-O-R
By AMG
April 16, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
Survive!!!! that is all the Braves need to do for the month of April. Usually the weather warms in May and so do the bats. Hopefully (that is a big word) the starting pitching will be in their groove with Hampton back and changes will be made in the line-up if certain players continue to struggle. It is a long season, and if you look around each team has issues. JUST SURVIVE APRIL. Tell them to put that on a t-shirt.
By McFann
April 16, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
Gotta wonder if McCann will start tonight—it’s a lefty pitching for the Marlins, he had a bad game last night, blah blah.
Course, Timmy being our remaining ace, I don’t like to see Corky catching him, but we shall see (and I will hear, after we finish up at Costco.).
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this
No word yet on Moylan, whose appointment with Andrews was this afternoon, or is this afternoon (don’t know if he’s even out yet).
They told us we might get something before game, might be during or after game, might not be until tomorrow.
Glavine still hasn’t been told whether he’ll throw off mound today or wait one more day. Should know that any minute. But he did say he’s made a little more progress since yesterday, continues to feel better each day….
Smoltz said he has spasms in the shoulder once in a while, but it’s nothing he can’t pitch through, long as it stays as it is now. They’re not sure what exactly causes it….
Soriano just told me he’ll throw off mound for first time after we get back to Atlanta, but he still believes he’ll be ready on 22nd when he’s eligible to come off DL. Said he threw yesterday on flat ground and felt better….
Hampton hasn’t thrown yet, getting ready to go to the bullpen. Braves aren’t on field yet; Marlins are finishing BP.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
McFann, yes McCann is in the lineup.
It’s the regular lineup, no changes.
By McFann
April 16, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
OK. Thanks, Chief. ‘Preciate the info.
By Chop Chop
April 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
Huddy’s looking like the one pitcher we can count on to shut the other team down and not give up anything.
(Just “Link to this” after the game and blame me if I jinxed the guy. I can take it.)
DAP,
I saw your 1:25 post in response to a fantasy baseball comment I made. It’s really too bad that we have to be in the same league to make a trade, you know? It would be cool to just trade players like Peter Moylan (who I have for holds) to another league for B.J. and Justin Upton.
By the way, that team’s name is “Donk’s Last Dance” (Yes, I immortalized Robert by naming a fantasy team after his favorite skipper…). Of course, I don’t think Bobby’s going to quit. They’ll probably have to pull the lineup card, complete with Keith Lockhart penciled in at 2B, from his cold, dead hands.
By Bowie
April 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
REASON…. I know your problem and I feel your pain. Most of us will have it if we live long enough, Its called ALZHEIMER’S Disease. I’ll Pray for you.
By Lew
April 16, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
Snipper-Yeah right. The Mets are what? A whole game ahead of the Braves after a dozen games? Wow-such big trash talk from the fan of a barely adequate, aged/aging team with half of their rotation on the DL and their outrageously priced superstar not even winning half his games so far. I guess that should be the rationale I apply to deciding to give up at this ridiculously early date.
Your position really shouldn’t surprise me though, considering the imbecility you routinely exhibit when you come to our blog to badmouth us.
Let me know when the Mets actually achieve something worthwhile enough to give your moronic rants some validity. It sure as Sh!t ain’t happened yet.
By DonCoburleone
April 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
DOB I agree with you that it is faaaar too early to “fold up the tents” on this Braves season. But with that said, would you agree that things could not have possibly started much worse? Soriano, Smoltz, Hampton & Glavine all have either left a game to injury or been placed on the DL, and Moylan is more than likely out for the season. Our bullpen has looked awful outside of Boyer (and maybe Ohman) and our offense is the definition of All or Nothing!
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this
Is there anybody else using MLB.com to watch the games online and having full screen issues?
I’m talking about the black letterboxing that reduces the size of the picture while in full screen mode.
I figured out how to fix it.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this
BravesinTN, Anderson is hitting .327 (17-for-52) with a homer, four steals, five RBI and a .352 OBP for Richmond.
Schafer, you might have heard, is in the first week of a 50-game suspension at Double-A. So he’s not “doing” anything, except working out at Dark Star.
By the way, Lillibridge is off to a dreaful 5-for-50 start at Richmond, with one steal, four walks and 16 strikeouts.
And Thorman is 6-for-37 (.162) with a double, four RBI and 12 strikeouts.
I like the new Raconteurs. First couple listens, I’d say very good, but not great like the first one. Haven’t heard the Kooks album, but Don at EllaGuru said it’s a “good little record” (that’s big praise from him) and that his 15-year-old daughter, who actually has great taste in music, also really digs it.
By Fred Secunda
April 16, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
DOB, why hasn’t Bobby given any regulars a day off here and there in the early going? Seems like in the past he would have at least given Diaz or Kotsay a day to rest and give someone like Blanco some at bats. Sitting on the bench like that has got to at least contribute to why our bench isn’t hitting. Shake things up Bobby, at this point it certainly couldn’t hurt.
By bravesfan
April 16, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this
DOB what jerseys are we wearing tonight?
By Lew
April 16, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
Coach-I had that problem watching it last night.
By Murphy
April 16, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Of course, I don’t think Bobby’s going to quit. They’ll probably have to pull the lineup card, complete with Keith Lockhart penciled in at 2B, from his cold, dead hands
Not that I advicate the firing of Cox, but that stuff is funny. Good ole Lockhart…
By Dan
April 16, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
Couple of questions. 1. Someone mention that Gant and Jordan had things to say about BC. Does BC hear about that? and if so, whats his answer to what alot of us, Gant n Jordan see? I am a long time reader and only post once in a blue.But I do agree with most, that BC is done. Tired of seeing that old school approach to every situation. Calm,Laid back all the time. Need a Jim Leyland type to light everyone up…get on these guys.
as mentioned in other posts..Fred.G. last night out managed BC…countered pretty much all of BC’s moves…even pinch hit for his #3 hitter…BC would never do such a thing…BC wouldn’t move A.Jones down in the order last season for $hi!t…never mind pinch hit for a guy in a year long slump. and now the same with Tex in the 4 hole instead of maybe 5th or 6th… As for the BP. He OVER uses that alllllll the time. how many pitchers did he use for like 2 outs? now you wonder why they’re going down? Once again with allllll the talent he’s had throughout the years…1 WS. nuff said.
Whoever mentioned our pitching coach. He’s another to blame. MOST of the guys WERE already good or traded for OR in the minors. HE’S done nothing. UNlike Leo with no names that made all star or star type years in ATL. Burkett, Hammonds Karsay, and many more. Proof is.. that once they left….they went down hill.
Sorry had to vent a little.
Taking over / unders on pitches seen for the game (105?)…and on 1st pitch swings from our braves team(10?)sound good…. Anyone wanna wager? lol
By tim-braves lifer
April 16, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this
DOB, What are the long term solutions if the braves lose Moylan and Soriano for a LONG period of time? Is there any young relief in the minors?
By Todd A
April 16, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this
One WS championship in 14 playoff appearances, and with 3 future HOF pitchers on the roster for much of that time period. Think about that folks. It may be a crap shoot (as Cox has always contended) to a certain degree, but not in 14 chances. To swing and miss 13 times it takes a combination of things: sure, some bad luck, poor performances at crucial times from regular players, and even porous bench and bullpens contributed to the Braves playoff failures. But to totally absolve Cox(whose the only common denominator during this run besides Smoltz and Leo) from any blame is absurd. He’s done a good job here, but he doesn’t walk on water.
For every Eric Gregg strike zone, there’s a situation where Charlie Leibrandt’s facing Kirby Puckett with the game on the line. For every Lonnie Smith base running blunder, there’s a head case like Mark Wohlers being expected to get 6 freakin outs against the NY Yankees (to get 3 outs was stretching it, to put it mildly).
Seeing how Atlanta had very little success to draw upon before Bobby’s return to the dugout in 1991, we were at least indebted to keep him as long as the division title streak was intact. It’s over, and imo it’s time to move on. We should have pulled the plug on his tenure after 2006, but the remaining veterans would have probably committed a mutiny on the new guy. Hopefully, Cox will gracefully call it quits when this season draws to a close. If he he doesn’t, he needs to be politely asked to retire.
By blueridge
April 16, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this
DOB, random question. Was Buddy Hernandez invited to spring training this year, or was he released prior to the spring? He put up good numbers for Richmond last year, but noticed he is now playing in the Atlantic league. Never really given a shot at the big league level, but I thought he might be a help based on the relief crisis the braves are dealing with. I was surprised to see he wasn’t with the organization any longer. Any info?
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
Wow cant be that bad……the same arguments that was taken place three years ago when I first started reading the blog are still taking place…..1-14 in postseason WS, Bobby place amoung bad/good managers. etc etc.
When they stop talking about those things you were doomed.
By NY Jay
April 16, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this
Hey Brave fans it could be worse than it really is for the Braves. They could have gotten Barry Zito and his 82MPH FASTBALL!!!
126 million for a fastball slower than Tom Glavine’s.
Imagine that.
By Braveheart
April 16, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this
The Phils started last season 4-11, their opening day starter had to be moved to the pen, the rest of their pen was in shambles, everyone wanted to fire their manager, and all hope seemed lost. The Braves were 10-5 and had a 5 game lead over the Phils. As we all know, the Braves ended up 5 games behind the Phils 147 games later. Calm down. Calm down. Calm down.
If Moylan does not come back in time, do the Braves think about having a rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, Hampton, James when Hampton and Chuck and Smoltz and Hampton and Soriano get healthy?
I love Jurrjens but he might be the type that could be even more useful as a setup man this season in the role SOriano and Moylan had last season or even as a closer if Soriano and Moylan are not healthy enough.
None of the other “depth” guys give the Braves that kind of diversity in ability to be both a quality starter or a quality reliever. Bennett is a serviceable long reliever and back end of the rotation fill in type. Chuck gives up too many longballs to be in the pen. JoJo is only so so as a major leaguer right now and walks too many in the majors to be trusted as a reliever. Carlyle is just Carlyle. Jurrjens is the best bet to help make a weakness a strength at the back end of the pen. It would also keep his innings down.
So when all of those pitchers get healthy, I would seriously think about having Smoltz, Hudson, Hampton, Glavine, Chuck and Bennett take care of the first six innings and let Jurrjens and Soriano take care of the last 3.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this
Just got back from downstairs, from watching Glavine and Hampton throw ‘pens.
Both felt good (not great, but good). Glavine is a go for Saturday’s start, long as he has no setbacks before then.
Hampton will throw another ‘pen in two days, probably. But he threw 40 pitches, just fastballs, nothing too hard, and felt good.
NO WORD ON MOYLAN YET
By Chop Chop
April 16, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this
I was thinking about that, Billy. God, I hope we don’t go back to those days.
(Although I do get some sick delight out of it…)
By brent a.
April 16, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this
I do wish people would quit acting like we didn’t accomplish anything in all those post-season appearances other than 1995.
Those first 2 years, especially were great.
It all changed when Wohlers decided to get cute with Leyritz. Nothing has been the same since.
By Lauren T.
April 16, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the Moylan update, even though there was no update. There’s a lot of concern in my house!
By Huddy Going 9
April 16, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this
We should all hope Hudson can go nine and the Braves manage to score a run.
It just ticks me off when Huddy, Smoltz or even Glavine (throw in Jurjens) is throwing well and the Braves piddle fart around and don’t give them any runs.
Message to the bats! Give Huddy a break and score a few EARLY for the guy! It just steams me to see a good pitching performance go by the wayside while the bats go inning after inning not giving the pitcher any help. It’s not fair to the starter for him to feel like he has to throw a shutout to win the game. That’s the picture of pressure right there.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this
Lew, if you’re fairly computer savvy, follow the link.
http://mlb.ensequence.com/showthread.php?t=702
By TennesseePaul
April 16, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
JoJo is only so so as a major leaguer right now
That’s a bit of an overstatement. Jo Jo is a no go in the majors. He stinks. He was brought up too early last season. He should stay down on the farm for a while.
By TennesseePaul
April 16, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this
Braveheart: I don’t know what to expect from the guy, but Gonzo is looking like a big bonus come June. Perhaps not as much re-arranging will be needed in order to keep this team afloat. They will have to start beating the weak teams. The Phillies and Mets are only 2 teams. They have 13 others they need to show up and play as well.
By the Stranger
April 16, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this
DOB, did you get a look at Jacobs throwing Frenchy to the ground in yesterday’s game? TV replay looked to me like Jacobs went out of his way to knock Frenchy down…but I wear some Braves-colored glasses.
By Saltywoody
April 16, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this
Here’s an idea:
CALL UP ANDERSON AND PLAY HIM.
Look, I know Diaz deserves his shot. He’s a great guy, hits well, etc. But, he’s not a vital piece of the offense. He’s a complement to the rest of the hitters. If he hits well in the 7/8 hole, fine. If he doesn’t, fine as well. And, in the meantime, his defense is serviceable…and that’s putting it kindly.
KJ, in addition, has looked terrible hitting leadoff. And we’re having trouble scoring runs, at least in tight games.
If only there was some sort of tactic where you could utilize the speed of your players to get extra bases, making it easier for them to come around to score….
Hmmmmm….
Oh wait…there IS such a wondrous thing! It’s a little thing I like to call the “stolen base.”
So, call up Anderson, slot him to hit leadoff, and play him in left field. You jumpstart your currently anemic offense, you give yourself a way to manufacture runs in tight games, AND, perhaps most importantly, you finally address the issue of a solid bat off the bench by putting Diaz there. Your defense markedly improves, your offense has the catalyst it is lacking, your bench gets 50 times better and Diaz pinch-hitting means maybe you win a few more of those 1 run games we’ve been losing.
Nevermind this: Anderson is hitting .327 (17-for-52) with a homer, four steals, five RBI and a .352 OBP for Richmond
CALL HIM UP!
By William
April 16, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
I just turned 40 so I can sympathize with him, but I noticed the Glavine has quite the mid section around his belt these days.
By Desperado Dave
April 16, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this
Sorry I’m late in the game, but here are the lineup changes I was thinking about. I don’t think they will be popular, but here goes:
2B- Martin Prado SS-Yunel Escobar 3B- Chipper Jones 1B- Mark Texeira RF- Jeff Franceour LF- Kelly Johnson C- Brian McCann CF- Gregor Blanco P- Anyone under 40
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this
Keep the spirit up everyone. Here’s a stat: only 13,5 % of the regular season played. Looooong way to go. And things will turn for the better.
LET’S PLAY BALLLLLLLL!
By a
April 16, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this
1-2-3- here we go!!!
By Saltywoody
April 16, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this
the Braves piddle fart around
Sweet term. Never heard it. Is that like when you go to fart and a little pee comes out on the front end?
By TennesseePaul
April 16, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this
Daybed: This is a point that you can only make now, once you’ve seen that the rotation is more shaky than we thought it would’ve been.
No not really. You could’ve made this point all off season once you looked at the rotation and spotted two 40 year olds in there and some holes beyond 2008.
As far as retaining Devine and not acquiring Kotsay, that’s debatable. At this stage in the game I think it’d be hard to make a solid case that CF would be a liability if we didn’t obtain a $2 million dollar Kotsay. I wanted this guy, so don’t go all nuts on this. But so far, after a whopping 13 games, Kotsay isn’t really tearing it up. He’s hitting 1% better than AJ did last season. But the season is young so let’s just hope for the best from here on out.
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
DOB! Could you find a way of calling the dugout and maybe suggesting that it’s an idea to actually try and get 10+ pitches for everyone there to see in the first inning……?
At least, that’s what’s done in the game in the rest of the world….?
Hope all will still turn in to a W tonight!
By William
April 16, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this
Desperdo Dave How can you not have Kotsay in your lineup???? I think he has been outstanding. Not flashy, but gets to the balls he should. As far as at the plate, who has been hitting lately?????
By rotomeister
April 16, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
Another bad stat for the Braves: an announcer in another game just stated that there is only one team in the NL with no come from behind victories. None. The Braves are that team.
If I’m right, the Braves rank 11th in bases on balls received. We just have a bunch of impatient hitters with the exception of Chipper (and Kelly Johnson?) who put themselves into positions where they hit the hitters pitch and put themselves out.
This team has more Francouer’s than Chipper’s and that’s not a good thing. I just noticed that Frenchy has 12 rbi. 7 game in one game. That means his other 5 are spread out over the other 12 or 13 games are whatever. That’s a good recipe for winning one game but not a bunch of others when that hitter is batting 5th.
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this
BTW…sorry, it’s only 7,8 % of the regular season played of course….some Dutch stats there!
And it’s good to see the Fish being in a hurry early as well!
Maybe it’s just a US thing :):)
By Goodoleboy58
April 16, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this
nice hustle by Frenchy we need some luck on our side
By Huddy Going 9
April 16, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this
Saltywoody,
Heard the expression all my life but never really analyzed it’s origins. But your logic seems dead on!
So piddlefart it is!
By Kev
April 16, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this
OMG, McCann is SO desperate…. Francoeur on 2nd with 1 out and what does he do..he swings a the 1st pitch and gets a weak flyball….does TP teach something to these kids??? Good God…
By William
April 16, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this
Andruw AVG. 149 HR 0 Rbi’s 2. 14K’s
Kotsay AVG. 234 HR 1 Rbi’s 3. 5 K’s
While not exactly tearing it up, I’d say Kotsay his hitting more than 1% better than Andruw.
By Philliesuk
April 16, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this
Two errors and a wild pitch, and we still only get ONE run?! I kind of sick of being negative, but are you serious???
By SR
April 16, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
What bothers me the most is that it appears to be more of the same ol, same ol, who cares if it is early or not a trend is a trend. The team has sucked the last 2 years and the team continues to suck this year. A couple of people have alluded to this in earlier posts and I agree. The bottom line is, the nucleus of this team has remained virtually the same with some notable execeptions and for the life of me, I do not see much so far that causes me to be optimistic nor do I see much reason to believe this season will turn out materially different than the previous two, particularly in view of the recent spate of injuries. Call it an intangible if you will as it is tough to put a finger on it but man, something is definitely missing with this bunch.
By William
April 16, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this
Philliesuk CHILL That’s more than we got last night.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this
Hudson doesn’t look to have his best stuff tonight….unless the gun is wrong. Very well could be. Most of the Marlin hitters are hitting the ball pretty hard.
By BravesFanInRockies
April 16, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this
OK, Huddy. There’s your run. Go get ‘em.
And Kev, you’re preaching to the choir.
By Huddy Going 9
April 16, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this
What’s up with bringing the infield in with a runner on third in the second inning?
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Is there really a need to play the infield in during the 2nd inning?
By BravesFanInRockies
April 16, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Oops. Too late.
By Epinephrine
April 16, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Lots of flyballs here. Hudson is having one of his off nights.
By Goodoleboy58
April 16, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this
come on Huddy lets settle down
By Huddy Going 9
April 16, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this
Ok…the infield in and Cantu hits one where Chipper could have fielded it if he was playing back. Run scores so instead of a tie game with 2 outs and nobody on, it’s tie game, 1 out and the inning could get bigger. Geez Bobby over manages sooo much sometimes! In the best case scenario, Hudson has to throw more pitches now.
The guys a g*# d@#% intellectual!
By William
April 16, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this
It’s a 162 game season PEOPLE!!! There are going to be peaks and valleys. No one in the NL East is exactly running away with the divison. Every team has issues as we do. I think it’s a little early to be in PANIC mode. GEEZ!!!!!
By ncscoots
April 16, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this
Saltywoody, Josh Anderson is another of those speedy guys with no secondary average skills, just as Matt is a slower guy with no secondary average skills. Replacing one with the other is just a little chocolate syrup on the same vanilla ice cream.
Anderson has to have more than a good couple of weeks to make a believer out of me…the elephant in the room is the rest of his minor league numbers. Maybe he’s finally “clicked”; sure, could be. Maybe.
In the meantime, I see no overwhelming alternative to Matt in LF. Ideally, I’d like to see Brandon Jones tearing it up in Richmond, and get a call. At least, that would provide some OF/bench pop that’s sorely missing. To me, that’s a lot more important than a speed merchant who has not yet proven he can get on base enough to matter.
By 30YrBravesFan
April 16, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this
I do believe we have time, that they aren’t sunk for the year. Patience, folks.
Can anyone tell me what the guys are wearing around their necks that look like a plastic O ring?
By Huddy Going 9
April 16, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this
Great move Bobby!
Your “infield in” move in the second inning leads to a big inning!
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
Not Huddy’s night
By Kev
April 16, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
Christ!!!!!!!!! Now even Hudson is imploding… 3 ER in 1.2 Innings!!!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! SOMEBODY SCRATCH ME OR SOMETHING CAUSE THIS IS A NIGHTMARE I must be dreaming!!! THESE are not the Braves i know…GOSH!!
By chase
April 16, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this
Good Grief….is all I can say!
By Goodoleboy58
April 16, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this
Can we score 3 runs tonight? Let’s go Huddy
By Kev
April 16, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this
Christ!!!!!!!!! Now even Hudson is imploding… 3 ER in 1.2 Innings!!!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! SOMEBODY SCRATCH ME OR SOMETHING CAUSE THIS IS A NIGHTMARE I must be dreaming!!! THESE are not the Braves i know…GOSH!!
By Goodoleboy58
April 16, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this
Huddy Going 9-
Something tells me you’d be complaining if we had played back and the run scored on a weak grounder
By William
April 16, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this
you guys are cracking me up!! LOL, someone dial 911!!!!
By William
April 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
Goodoleboy58 I think you are right. You just can’t win with some people.
By Huddy Going 9
April 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
Ok, last mention of Bobby’s move bringing the infield in. I promise.
Hudson doesn’t have his best tonight, that’s for sure. BUT, if Bobby leaves the infield back, Cantu’s grounder is out #2 and Ramirez doesn’t even come to the plate that inning.
It’s 1-1 end of two instead of 3-1.
Box score says those are earned runs but those are BOBBY’S runs!
New stat! BRA Bobby run average!
By radoncbravesfan
April 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
nice cleanup hitter ending another rally!!
By Philliesuk
April 16, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
So we get two men on again with one out…and Tex swings at the first pitch AGAIN!!!!…double play…nice work…Kev is right, this IS a nightmare
By chase
April 16, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
All you AJ bashers…LET’s hear it for TEX!
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
The top of the third inning is a perfect example of whats wrong with the Braves offense.
KJ isn’t hitting. Escobar and Chipper are, Teixiera isn’t hitting either.
It’s totally dysfunctional and Cox won’t change a damn thing.
By flange1
April 16, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Just got back from dinner and a trip to Ella Guru to pick up my REAL copies of Mike Ness’s solo albumsn.
Don is a great guy.
Thanks for introducing me to Ella Guru! I love Don and his store. And they are starting to get RECORDS!!!
Totally cool!
By Section 412
April 16, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this
No reason, no evidence, no stats to back it up — but I think this is the night that the “no come from behind wins” streak is broken. Braves take this one. (Please, Braves, don’t make me look like “and idiot” now!)
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
It’s getting really frustrating watching this team anymore. It’s not that they are losing, it’s how they are losing.
If Cox is so concerned that 1 run was going to decide the game maybe he should shake up the batting order & try something new instead of running the same line up out every day & hoping things improve.
Cox’s decisions are killing this team right now. Playing the infield in during the 2nd inning cost them several additional runs & continuing to hit Tex in the clean up spot is idiotic. How many freakin times can Chipper & Escobar be on base & not score?
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
WOW. that was a laser shot of a HR by Jacobs. Scorched line drive.
By chipdip
April 16, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
THE GREAT BLUESMAN SEAN COSTELLO HAS DIED!!!!!!!!!!!a great and sad loss.
By William
April 16, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this
I’d take Tex over Andruw any day!!
By uga-brave
April 16, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
this is a mediocre team playing bad baseball.
By chase
April 16, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
Right now…TEX = RALLY KILLER…
If that inning goes different, this game could’ve turned back to our favor early…………..
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
Hi gang……ENJOYING THE GAME???
Just wondering.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this
It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Hang onto your hats.
By keylargo
April 16, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this
You can be pretty cocky when you knock down a Braves player that “put on 20 pounds of muscle”. Espcially when he doesn’t do anything but watch you walk off the field with a smile and the pitcher doesn’t put one in your ear. Cox has to light a fire somehow. Really nice homerun, too.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this
Hudson has looked so bad you almost worry the guy is hurt.
I remember that game against the Dodgers right before the All Star break when he faced Brad Penny. He got rocked. Just didn’t have it. What are ya gonna do? It happens. Maybe the Braves can actually bail their pitcher out tonight?
By Weird Dream
April 16, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this
I just had the strangest dream!
I dreamed it was still the 2007 season, except Andruw was a white guy and playing first base!
By TennesseePaul
April 16, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this
Come on guys… Hendrickson is a great pitcher. We’d be lucky to have him. Just gotta tip your cap to that future hall of famer.
By BillsNV
April 16, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
Nice AB Jeff! Go Braves!
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
Hudson is hurt?!?!?!
By Teddy Jack Eddy
April 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this
This team has definable problems and some of an indefinable nature.The definable is obvious (pitching injuries).The indefinable is that confidence displayed for 14 seasons but seems now to be just a part of a great period in franchise history.
By Braveheart
April 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this
Has anyone seen Hanson’s numbers down there in Myrtle Beach? Insane! 16 innings, 4 hits, 4 walks, 0 runs, 26 Ks.
And thanks to the blogger who pointed out the numbers for Gorkys. As much as I hated the Edgar trade, I am really starting to like it.
Where’s Rohrbough at though?
By chase
April 16, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
These guys are PRESSING right now…First pitch swinging, mental mistakes, not doing the little things, not working the count…
Somebody has to step up and make a change….Right now each game is like a vicious circle…Its like GROUNDHOG DAY!
By Apaul404
April 16, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
Story of this team, pitcher has a rough inning. Two men on with one out and your star is hacking outside and high. Double play. I torture myself watching this team. We take strikes and flail at balls. We strike out looking in the ninth. We watch a pitcher walk two batters in a row to load the bases and then proceed to swing as hard as humanly possible no matter the location. We continue to make sub par pitching look like freaking CY Young! Last week we lost to Mark Redman (…) I was raised watching them and even when they are stinking it up I have a hard time turning the channel. This team is done, D O N E. Time to rebuild. I have alot of respect for Bobby Cox, but let’s be real. You could argue he has managed this team out of at least one World Championship, if not more. It may be time to move on. The really disheartening thing is I would say the schedule we have played has been relatively favorable and our record is not impressive. Criticize me if you would like but there are not many positives going on with our team. And it appears our conditioning is lacking. I miss the good ole days. GO BRAVES!
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this
HUDSON IS OUT OF THE GAME. unbelevable. no word yet on why
By Kev
April 16, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
im done watching this game today!!!!!!!! its just frustrating watching this team play….pitty pitty Bobby Cox!!! Except for Esco and Chipper cant put the ball in play, get a hit or nothing…JUST PURE NOTHING and the INNINGS GO BY and NOTHING more than Groundouts and Flyouts…thats it.!!!
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
How long can allegedly great offense continue to be dominated by mediocre pitchers?
I assume Huddy is hurt now as well? geez this season is going to be nightmare at this rate.
By TennesseePaul
April 16, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
Awesome. Campillo in. Hudson out. And in the 4th. That must mean Hudson is tip top!!!!
By Huddy Going 9
April 16, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
Goodoleboy58 and William
Something tells me you guys are still looking for the pony under all the Horse %# that was 2007 and now 2008!
Nope, if Bobby hadn’t pulled the infield in, in the SECOND, I repeat SECOND inning, I would not have made a comment at all. It’s only when Bobby overthinks that I become concerned. There are 30 major league managers and I dare say there aren’t 3 who have made that move. And the other two are used to managing teams who lose 90 games plus a year.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
Braveheart
Rohrbough has biceps tendenitis. Hopefully will be back by May 1st. Keep your eye on Deunte Heath as well.
By jbutler
April 16, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this
Efrim Don’t jinx it. That would truly be bad news. Pitchers just don’t bring it every time- that’s why they measure their quality starts. This just came at a wickedly bad time. Should be fun watching panic seep in on the ‘ol blog.
Maybe the ‘pen will help out. Maybe??
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
Is there any room for a bit of fighting spirit here? In Dutch there’s a name for the negative entries, interpretating all negatively: vinnager p**.
I’m with Overlord. Try and ENJOY the baseball. Maybe it might even rub a bit of positive karma on the team…..
By Tom A. Hawk
April 16, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
DOB pleeease don’t tell us Hudson is injured….
By Bravesfan79
April 16, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
Were getting held to one run by a Mark Redmen clone?? Man wheres the fire in this team!?? Why do i get a feeling that as things are now, the Marlins manager is better than the Braves manager?
Younger, makes quicker, better decisions. I truly believe Smoltz would be better served in the bullpen throwing a inning or 2 here and there instead of making him go 5 his next start and then him being even more hurt.
It would especially make sense considering the bullpen injuries.
I think Smoltz in the bullpen could help us win 2-3 games a week just by being that shutdown guy in the 8th and 9th.
If it was the playoffs tho, id defenitly rather have Smoltz as a starter!
By Steve from OH
April 16, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
Rohrbough has biceps tendinitis, I believe… If Huddy’s hurt we are in deep s$*t.
By matt
April 16, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
is hudson hurt?
By InCognito
April 16, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
this team is awful. A-W-F-U-L
By Epinephrine
April 16, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this
I think Hudson is probably fine, just pitching horribly-BUT, if he is hurt, come on, you would have to laugh a little bit.
Guys, this team looks bad. Just bad. But people who are saying we are playing ourselves out of contention, or we have huge holes that make the season a wash, etc. are just being asinine. Nobody plays themselves out of contention in April, period. You can make it hard, but you do not play yourself out.
This team has a ton of talent, and the pieces in place to be a very good club. Whether they will put it together or not, who knows. Injuries will play a role. What is clear, though, is they are not playing to their potential now. They will get hot, and cold, several times throughout this year. Whether they can play up to their talent consistently remains to be seen.
With all that being said, its tough to watch this.
By Saltywoody
April 16, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
scoots Agree that Josh Anderson is probably a speedy guy and not a whole lot else. But, that’s precisely my point.
The guy we have leading off currently is supposedly a good hitter with marginal defense. Unfortunately, he’s not hitting AT ALL in addition to playing mediocre d. And he’s not stealing bases.
At the very least, Josh Anderson gives you speed at the top of the order. He can’t be worse than Diaz in left, and probably would be a lot better because of his speed, if nothing else. He’ll get to more balls.
More importantly, Diaz comes off the bench and, VOILA, we actually have a bench player that can contribute late in games.
Plus, I also agree that it’s a small sample size…but he’s got a .352 OBP right now. And pitchers are supposedly behind hitters at the beginning of the season. If he had a .330 OBP hitting leadoff for us and was stealing some bases and being a little bit of a disruptive force at the top of the lineup, that’s a heck of a lot better than hitting Kelly there and watch him strike out looking because “he’s got a good eye.”
By keylargo
April 16, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
Just to put this fiasco in perspective, the Marlins top three starters are on the DL. We’re not the only ones with injuries, just the ones whining the loudest.
By Kev
April 16, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this
Oh JESUS!!!!!!!!!!! NOw Hudson is Hurt!!!!!!!!!! Who else is going to get Hurt??? Bobby or the Bat Boy??? JESUS we cant have that many injures in 2 WEEKS OF PLAY, that has to be a record!! OMG!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!! OMFG!! This cant be happening!!!
By Weird Dream
April 16, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this
It’s more satisfying watching a bad team suck than it is watching a team with potential talent suck.
At what point does potential become failed potential?
By N8
April 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this
This team SUCKS.
No other way around it. I’d go with my “this team is mediocre” banter. But a team has to be withing striking distance (on either side) of playing .500 ball.
We are not. After tonight, a sweep in the next series wouldn’t get us there.
I absolutely LOVE IT when I come home to find that NOTHING has changed. Other than another homer or two saying “it’s early stop worrying”.
HOGWASH! It’ NOT too early to be concerned about this dreadful start.
Anybody feel like arguing with me tonight? LOL!
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this
Beautifull play by Escobar! Although he was probably positionned wrongly or something like that. It can’t be that it was just a good play, right???
Hope Huddy is allright though.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
Who’s up for some tractor pulls at Turner Field?
By chase
April 16, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
IF HUDSON is injured….
It is time to start questioning McDowell
For 14 years the Braves never had this many injuries!
By Saltywoody
April 16, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
Hudson has looked so bad you almost worry the guy is hurt.
Ummmm…shouldn’t have said that…
By LuisGuillermo
April 16, 2008 8:32 PM | Link to this
Any word on Hudson? Why did he leave after 4 innnings and 50+ pitches?
By Steve from OH
April 16, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
Nice shot by Yunel!!!
I’d like to see him not flip the bat like that, though. That’s a bit bush…
By Braveheart
April 16, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
Sheehan, did you catch that? His name is not Yutility Escobar. It is Yunel Escobar! That dude is El Hombre!
By BravesFanChris23
April 16, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
Nice shot by Escobar.
By DAP
April 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
whats the deal with huddy coming out already? is he hurt?
that yunel taking matters into his own hands, right there.
he might get beaned for that.
By chase
April 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
This team IS NOT AWFULL!!!
It is a very good team who is PLAYING AWFUL and has some bad things happen to them!
By N8
April 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Jeez. What do you know? Escobar can hit?
If I were Fredi Gonzalez, I’d give him one in the frickin’ EAR-HOLE the next time he comes up to the plate.
Nobody likes a showboat. Especially when the HR doesn’t even tie the game or give your team the lead.
Chipper needs to sit that boy down and let him know that he appreciates the effort, but leave the HR-stare to guys that hit around 40 or so a year.
Other than that. Nice job Yunel. :-)
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
Has anyone mentioned that Yunel is really good?
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
Marlins announcer is sooooooooo pizzed at yunel for flipping the bat……….
He said the ball might be at his but next AB. He asked himself if yunel had been 12 years in the league and answerde himself……..oh no, this is his 1st full year.
By MattyRoss
April 16, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
Yunel crushes a ball and then puts on a little show for the 47 people in the stands. Maybe he is the next Pujols like some have said…in that he appears to be full of himself. I’m all for lighting a fire under the team, but I don’t think the word “team” was anywhere near his head just now…
By Philliesuk
April 16, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this
Kelly Johnson just walked. That’s almost as good as a win.
Spoke too soon. Yunel just smoked one. The Marlins announcers just let him have it about celebrating, but I love it. “We’ll see what happens his next time up - he’ll be on his back.” Fightin words from those losers.
We just scored with two outs. Two rarities in one night.
By Braveheart
April 16, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this
Thanks Efrim and Steve from Ohio
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this
Under normal circumstances I would say Escobar was showing up the Marlin pitcher, but I think he’s just trying ti fire up the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t get one under the chin the next time up
By William
April 16, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
Do you want to know what’s funny??? These people who are in PANIC mode in April are the same ones who will be saying “I told you so” when the Braves rattle off 20 wins in 25 games.
By Tater Patch Kid
April 16, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
It figures. Braves make it a one run game because one of their two productive players hits a two run homer. Wish he and Chipper could hit six times each in a game.
By Apaul404
April 16, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this
Chipper and Yuni are carring this team. Campillo has been very impressive thus far.
By Philliesuk
April 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this
Another great quote by the Marlins announcers about Yunel’s celebration:
“Has he been in the league for 12 years? Oh, it’s his first year, I almost forgot.”
By William
April 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this
Oh freaking gosh, the guy hits a HR and you are still complaining????? You got to be kidding me!!!
By Kev
April 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this
SEEEEEEEEEE THATS WHAT HITTING IS TEX,McCann, Francoeur,Kotsay and DIAZ!!!!!!!!!! WATCH ESCOBAR and then learn some…cause apparently you dont have any patience or pitch recognition…and that “fire” or swagger what ever you call it Escobar had after that HR…THATS a bit of showboating but if thats what this TEAM needs then showboating is what it will get!!!!!!!!! WTG Esco!!!
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this
The blogger formerly known as nathan its still early…..
By Rodney Derrick
April 16, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this
Marlins announcers are really blasting Yunel for his demonstrative celebration. They are pretty good announcers but are definitely among the biggest “home team supporters” that you find around the leagues.
Two runs and two RBIs plus two great plays already by Yunel!!!
By Logan23
April 16, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this
Cards Rick Ankiel just had a seventeen pitch walk in the first inning. Talk about pitch count.
By William
April 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
Ok,I will say this…………where was that the last AB Tex?
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
I doubt that Hudson was hurting. He just did not have it tonight. Cox pulled him in order to keep the game close. Now with Escobar’s two run bomb it’s a one run game.
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
OOOOOppppssssss i think i jinxed hudson yesterday saying he and chipper were next.
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
Any complaints on a good dinger? Back in the game, all is possible.
But the team must still be completely crap like it was 10 mins ago, right?
Third great bit of baseball there by Yunel.
Come on guys, cheer up or tune out! :)
By Northern Redneck
April 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
DOB do you think huddy is hurt or did he just get pulled for pitching poorly???
By yunel is the man
April 16, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this
These marlins comentators are making me sick. SHUT UP about yunel. He flips his bat like that everytime and always points to his wife behind homeplate. ahhhh still talking about it, there just wishing Hanley was playing as good.
By N8
April 16, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
“Should they schedule tractor pulls and concerts the rest of the summer at Turner Field, or what?”
Can the rock-stars and drivers of tractors get base-hits with RISP??
If they can, than that would be a FANTASTIC idea.
Like clock work, Tex leads of the inning with a base hit.
It’s all about timing people. Tex hasn’t got it done when we NEEDED him to be the clean-up hitter so far, but he seams to get on base when 2 are out and nobody on, or when he’s leading off an inning.
Maybe Bobby should flip-flop him and KJ? LOL!
With the 4-3 score this is shaping up NICELY for another 1-run loss. Come on guys. You can do it. I’m sure the bullpen will be stellar the rest of the way (god forbid they protect 1-run lead - since they’re so good at “protecting” a 1-run deficit), and the bats will remain stale.
Final score? 5-4 Marlins.
By McFann
April 16, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
Holy cow! That McCann guy just got on base!
By J.D.
April 16, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this
anyone watching on MLB TV i dont think there are two worst announcers than the two guys for florida…awful..im pretty sure theyd hammer “the hammer” if the could
By Philliesuk
April 16, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this
William With all due respect, some of us aren’t in panic mode, we’re just frustrated with this team. In case you haven’t been paying attention, here’s why:
1) Everyone is injured (Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton, Moylan, Soriano) 2) We haven’t come from behind to win a game this year 3) We got swept by a struggling Rockies team, and the Pirates handled us easily 4) We set a record for 1-run losses to start the season 5) Our clean-up hitter that we traded away Salty and Elvis for is batting .200 6) Our leadoff hitter doesn’t walk 7) We haven’t been getting timely hits
The good: 1) We ‘swept’ the Mets in a 2-game series 2) Hudson and Smoltz have looked great 3) Chipper Jones is a stud
Look, I love this team, and I will never give up on them. I’m one of those guys who will stay until the bottom of the 9th in a 10-0 game. I haven’t missed an at-bat this year (except for the blacked-out Fox games), but I am still very frustrated.
By McFann
April 16, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this
Aaaaaand the twin-killing. Of course.
Wow. Diaz has like…no hair!
By MattyRoss
April 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
Diaz ends the rally…I still think he’ll get going. DOB pointed out he’s a bit of a slow starter. I have a good feeling about this game actually, think we’ll pull it out…
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
@n8 WOw, impressive. Even good plays you can cover in complete sarcasm. Maybe it’s an idea not to wait for the Tractor pull in Turner field, but just to switch channels and find them now?
DOB, Yes, I did. But it gets a bit snowed over with the negatives up here.
GO BRAVES!
By Ole Miss
April 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
I am sure I’m the 81st person to ask the question but, why is Matt Diaz still playing everyday? The guy doesn’t see a pitch he doesn’t like, be it down the pipe or bouncing 3 feet short of the plate. His defense is a liability, his stance is a joke, his hitting is good i guess for a career benchwarmer but really why is he not being platooned? Anderson at least has some speed, which the team sorely needs…
By William
April 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
This Campillo dude looks great.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
Those double plays kill ya. Diaz is having a rough go in April. Maybe a night off would do him some good.
Braves have yet to have a come from behind victory this year. The Mets are the only other team in the league to share that great stat with the Braves. Mets up 5-2 currently after being down.
By Ole Miss
April 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
I am sure I’m the 81st person to ask the question but, why is Matt Diaz still playing everyday? The guy doesn’t see a pitch he doesn’t like, be it down the pipe or bouncing 3 feet short of the plate. His defense is a liability, his stance is a joke, his hitting is good i guess for a career benchwarmer but really why is he not being platooned? Anderson at least has some speed, which the team sorely needs…
By DAP
April 16, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
steve from OH yunel always flips the bat like that…its the pointing to the ball the whole way out and pointing to fans in the stands thats bush.
By Apaul404
April 16, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
Matt is really terrible right now. I heard TP say in a spring training game that he really does not mess with Diaz. Well that trash aint working. Major league pitchers have figured him out and if he does not make some adjustments he will be in Richmond sooner than later… hopefully.
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this
Chase, Have a little objectivity about this team. Nothing & I mean nothing indicates this is a VERY good team. On paper they look good, but as of yet not much has happened on the field to make me believe this is a World Series type team.
Very good teams don’t get shut down by middle to back of the rotation guys. Very good teams find a way to scratch out runs when the offense is having an off night. Very good teams don’t make the mental mistakes in the field. Very good teams have more than two players who have an approach at the plate. Last but not least very good teams have a manager that does more good than harm.
I wish I had your optimistic outlook on things regarding this team, but right now, I don’t.
By monty
April 16, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this
Matt Diaz needs to be sat down until he can learn the strike zone. This crap about swinging at pitches a foot outside has gotten old. Totally no discipline between he and Franceour. Just grip it and rip it! I guess somwone has to take Andrew’s plase.
By Reason
April 16, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this
Great job Diaz, easy DP. Josh where are u?
By uga-brave
April 16, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this
i think a few of our players might have A.D.D.
t.p. might need to start dispensing serious amounts of RITALIN.
diaz has absolutely no approach at the plate.
By Risingstar
April 16, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this
Can you imagine the amount of RBIs that Escobar could have with a leadoff hitter that really gets on base, that’s why BC should try Blanco or bring Josh up
Escobar and Chiper are the ones that should have runers in scoring position not Tex or Frenchy
By N8
April 16, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB!!
GOOD (ahem) call and that Matt Diaz turn-around in South Florida. He’s really knockin the sh!t out of the ball, huh?
Good thing he’s so good defensively in LF or Bobby might have to think about giving him a couple of days off.
yunel is the man
If Nolan Ryan or Bob Gibson were the starting pitcher in this game, Yunel would be better off telling Cox he suddenly got a case of the flu, than standing in the batters box, next time he is due up.
There is NO PLACE for that much show-boating after a HR (as I stated before, especially a one that doesn’t even tie the game up - or do you also like guys that “chest-thump” after making a special teams tackle, when their team is losing by 3 TD’s?). I don’t care if the ghost of Babe Ruth bought a ticket specifically to see Yunel Escobar play, and was sitting behind the dugout.
KNOCK IT OFF!!
In reality, he’s gonna get Chipper plunked is what’s gonna happen. Which is why Chip needs to sit the excited young man down.
LOVE the game. LOVE his fire. LOVE that he actually is hitting HR’s.
But please Yunel…..next time you hit one. Put your head down, and run the damn bases like you’ve done it before.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
This just in from the clubhouse: HUDSON DID NOT LEAVE GAME DUE TO INJURY.
Who knows, maybe Cox decided he just didn’t have it tonight and he’d remove him early and use him this weekend. I just don’t know yet.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
Great work by Campillo.
By jbutler
April 16, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
Hey JD Why would the team worry about the announcers for the game if they can’t even break 1000 people coming to the game? Pretty pitiful. They have a team there…why???
By Risingstar
April 16, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this
What a work from Campillo, the rest of bp should pay attention to him, not everything on pitching its speed, great work
By Steve from OH
April 16, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this
DAP
I didn’t notice the pointing until after I posted and watched the replay. But still, the bat flip(s) are a bit bush in any situation. I thought that one was a bit “over the top” compared to his other ones. I dunno… that’s just my opinion. I’m bit old-school, I guess.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this
I don’t know where the Braves scared up Jorge Campillo, but so far, he has been a Godsend.
Hudson is fine.
Cox made a very gutsy move by pulling huddy early and it might just pay off.
By bravesfan
April 16, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Edgar Renteria hit his 1st HR for the Tigers tonight. It was a grand slam!
By Steve from OH
April 16, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this
But I definitely agree that the pointing is bush. Bobby needs to have a talk with him after the game.
By McFann
April 16, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this
Escobar did seem to be hot doggin’ after that homer. Don’t like to see that.
OK…Time for a rally?
By William
April 16, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this
Philliesuk I understand being frustrated, but it’s APRIL! If we are playing like this and 20 games out in June, then I’ll be in panic mode also. I’ll be honest, we look terrible right now, no doubt about it. Do you really think it’s going to last the whole season? Maybe………maybe not. You’d have to think with the talent on this team they will get it going. As far as the injuries go…….Yes, having your ace with a balky elbow, your set up man with a balky elbow, and your closer with a balky elbow is a little discouraging. Oh yeah I forgot about Glavine’s sore hammy. Other teams have guys hurting also. Puljous, Soriano, Pedro………the list goes on and on……..You have to play through the injuries. Luckily all these guys aren’t ailing in August during the playoff stretch.
By MattyRoss
April 16, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
uga-brave funny you should say that, remember Adam Laroche has ADD? They all do seem to be matching his production, you might be on to something…
By ncgary
April 16, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
maybe we should hire leo as a roving instructor and allow him to rove in atlanta for a good while
By DAP
April 16, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this
no way they will bean escobar here with a runner on and chipper up next
By N8
April 16, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this
Dutchie
“@n8 WOw, impressive. Even good plays you can cover in complete sarcasm. Maybe it’s an idea not to wait for the Tractor pull in Turner field, but just to switch channels and find them now?”
WTF are you talking about?? My comments about Yunel and his BUSH LEAGUE “act” after hitting the HR??
If that’s what you’re talking about….IT WASN’T FRICKIN’ SARCASM!!!! That COMPLETELY over-shadowed the fact that he did something good. It’s BUSH. It CERTAINLY has never been part of “Bobby Ball”. Kenny Lofton got run out of town for acting like that.
All this team has to do, is start winning games, and I’ll shut up. Well…not completely. But the negativity will subside a bit.
If you’re talking about my sarcasm about Tex’s single leading off an inning after having a HORRID first two weeks of the season?
That TOO was not sarcasm. Those type of comments are factual.
As for the tractor pull comment?
Lighten up Francis.
By Saltywoody
April 16, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this
HUDSON DID NOT LEAVE GAME DUE TO INJURY.
Yeah. He just saw Hampton and Glavine do it and thought it was cool, and figured he’d give it a shot.
By Goodoleboy58
April 16, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
Let’s go Chippaaa
By Braveheart
April 16, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
Escobar can do it with a hit, a homer, a walk, with his range, with his arm. Dude is a stud.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
Well that is good news….
Although would they really go with Hudson on Sunday? Why? Can’t use Jurrjens on three days rest on Saturday.
Okay, Escobar walked for two on with two out. Chipper against Tankersley. Please, just one clutch home run or double…..
No single. Please, can we get a extra base knock???
By poorbrave
April 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
Campillo did a super job. I have a gut feeling the Braves will win this game despite Bobby Cox. Goty looking good. Now lets get some runs before Bobby makes a stupied move. Go Hoss!
By keylargo
April 16, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
N8
I agree with you about Escobar and his pointing. At least the ball got out. Manny Ramirez watched one last weekend from the batters box that hit the fence.
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this
How ball have the Braves hit hard in these situations and they turn into outs.
By InCognito
April 16, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this
the game we need Chip to hit and he doesn’t. this team really is awful.
By N8
April 16, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this
fastasballs
Your 8:55 post was as accurate and direct to the point as an opinion (pretty much dead on), can be about this team right now.
Nowhere in your post did you say the season is OVER. Nowhere in your post did you say that you DON’T think they’ll improve. Nowhere in you post did you say that you’re GIVING UP.
You simply stated the truth. NOTHING that this team has done, has proved that they are CURRENTLY capable of doing anything differently than they have the past two seasons.
Anybody who tries to argue with you, is quite simply NOT paying attention.
Here comes the BB machine, other wise known as Jeff Bennett. I can’t wait.
By Contra
April 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this
I’m with you, N8, Yunie is going to get drilled with the little celebrations he does.
I love the guy to death, but someone is going to take that the wrong way.
Great start, Jeff! Let the fish rally so we don’t have to lose this one by one!
By Philliesuk
April 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this
Chipper using the blonde instead of the usual black bat when hitting righty. Wonder why.
By McFann
April 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this
Neight—
EXCELLENT points about Escobar and his little show out there! (Can’t stand the football chest-thumps, either. Make fun of those all the time.)
Congrats to Edgar!! Atta boy!!
By JasonInMaine
April 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
DOB, I am arguing with a couple of people regarding MLB rosters. If a player gets suspended, is the team allowed a move to replace him on the active roster or do they have to be a player down for the length of the suspension?
By DAP
April 16, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
ok, im gonna watch american idol.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
People on this blog wanted Bennett to start. Please remember that you shouldn’t take too much from September callups.
By Risingstar
April 16, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
after seeing last at bat by Chipper I would oficially name Escobar the new Capitan of the Braves, he is the only one that is geting the respect from marlins, not some respect but The Respect
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
f*** the bullpen
By Contra
April 16, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
Haha, I posted that literally 10 seconds before Gonzo jacked that one.
Time to see what Phil Stockman and some of the other Triple A guys can do.
Hell, Florida’s roster is almost entirely Triple A guys and they’re kicking the p!ss out of us.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
Gonzo, two run bomb. 6-3 Marlins. That’s probably it.
By N8 (Yeah, I know.....I'm still on "IGNORE" from Coach)
April 16, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this
*Cox made a very gutsy move by pulling huddy early and it might just pay off.”
Coach, I’m quite positive that YOU are the only person that can make so much sense and yet be so lost ALL in one sentence.
TOTALLY agree with you on Cox’s “call” on Hudson. VERY RARELY has he pulled the trigger on pulling a starter when it’s evident that they don’t have “it” early in a game. In fact, one could argue had he done that a couple of more times in the post-season, our fortunes might have been different.
HOWEVER THAT being said. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL that that move “pays off” in tonights game. It might pay off in having Hudson available this weekend. But this team is NOT gonna come back and win this game (as I type that Luis Gonzalez gets a strike from Bennett - and didn’t miss it).
(sigh). Sorry that I’m right, Coach.
I liked your “idea” better.
By Jeff321
April 16, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this
Bobby Cox has found his new Chris Reitsma/Dan Kolb. May I introduce you to Jeff Bennett and Chris Resop.. who’re guaranteed to get brought into the game when its close so they can foul it up. Now, watch Cox send Jorge Campillo back to Richmond!
By Bravesfan79
April 16, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this
That was a weak effort by Francour on the homerun…wheres Marquise Grissim when we need him!
Im so tired of Cox waiting to long to replace the pitcher. Yet he shure is quick to pull the trigger when theres 2 outs and bases empty! WHY??
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this
@n8
You’re completely right. His antics were way over the top and misplaced.
I probably overreacted a bit. But I just don’t understand the negativaty DURING the game. Fair play before or after, there’s a lot of things up for debate at the moment, that’s true. But I think the sarcasm and ‘down’ talk during the game takes away a big part of the fun in the game.
Let’s agree to ‘disagree’ on it:).
Mind you, I’m staying up untill 04.00/-4.30 am to see these games. That might clowd my judgement now and then:)
By yunel is the man
April 16, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this
* ok let me say again yunel points to his wife in the stands, he does it everytime he hits a homerun though at home plate. Hey maybe they had a wager before the game, and he got a little excited and pointed to the wife to say, you owe me baby. *
By Risingstar
April 16, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this
If Hudson joint Galvine and Hampton on having an early exit, now Bennet is joining Moylan Boyer and company on allowing late inning homers
game done let’s waith for tomorrow to see if we can see a braves team play pelota caliente (good baseball)
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 16, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this
The Marlins have a 21.8 million dollar payroll and they can afford to keep Gonzo’s big ugly stick on their bench.
The Braves have a payroll of 102.4 million and no big bat to speak of on the bench.
What does this say about the Braves entire organization?
Tis truly nauseating.
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
Lets go braves
Lets go braves
Lets go braves
Lets go to atlanta!!!!!!!!!!
Enough for this road trip.
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
I’ve got a question. The Marlins have a payroll of what, 10-15 million? Yet they have not one, but two vets who can handle the bat off the bench. We have none.
I’m perfectly happy with Gotay & Pena coming off the bench, but what’s after them? Not much.
By N8 (Yeah, I know.....I'm still on "IGNORE" from Coach)
April 16, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
It’s starting to come clear to me why Bennett throws so many balls out of the strike zone.
It’s because every time he actually throws strikes, he has to duck, as to not get killed.
Too bad he can’t FACE the Braves hitters. I bet he’d be impressive against them. He would NEVER have to throw strikes, and when he did, they would just pop them up anyhow. :-)
By HP
April 16, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this
Braves bullpen really needs help! What in the world is Roger McDowell doing? Its a different guy everyday who blows up the game. Offense needs to step up.
By poorbrave
April 16, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this
Boy did I speak to quick…If TP’s a hitting Coach I’m the Pope. McDowell and BC sure don’t know how to handle a pitcher. Hell BILL ACREE and JOHN HOLLAND could do better than Cox.
By blazerpunter
April 16, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this
Couple things….
Can’t believe people are downing Chipper for hitting the ball hard right at someone with runners on. This team is going to get mighty heavy on his back.
Is it just me or are 80% of the Braves batters taking their first step to their pull side and just throwing their hips open to kill the ball…..only to hit the ball off the end of the bat for a weak grounder?
As I am watching Bennett struggle this inning and in his last few innings a thought occured to me….Does anyone else think that Bennett losing ALL OF THAT WEIGHT might actually work against him? Just seems to me that if if he lost all the weight that it would affect his mechanics some, especially if he gets tired during a long inning or as the whole season wears on. Just thinking that he might have pitched better with a thicker frame!!
Still think the Braves are going to turn it around. Heck, they can’t go much lower than they are now. In the next week I seem them slowly start turning things around, winning a few games 5 to 3 and getting at least a small bit of momentum!!
GO BRAVES………….
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this
Bennett is tired, thats all…… too much pressure physically and mentally for that kid, dont be hard on him… At least not yet.
By N8
April 16, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this
Anybody for a Tex “lead-off” hit?
How about a meaningless solo HR, when down by 3 runs?
By Vol
April 16, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this
Look at the Falcons page on ajc.com. Is that Chipper loosening up during spring practice?
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this
Tex 1 for 3 with a walk and a just missed HR.
Maybe waking up.
He has been hitting the ball, but right at.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this
Well, 2 on and no one out. McCann Diaz and Kotsay to face Renyel Pinto……
Lets see if this team can come through in the clutch.
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this
N8 Just trying to keep it real, lol. God, I hate that saying.
I’m a long time fan & want the best out of the team, but I’m not seeing it nor any indication of a grand turn around, but ya never know.
Maybe they rally right now for 4-5 runs & win this thing.
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
one run game…..lol
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
Matty Diaz, killing them softly tonight.
By N8
April 16, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this
“.Does anyone else think that Bennett losing ALL OF THAT WEIGHT might actually work against him?”
I was wondering the same thing? Not sure what “truth” or track record of similar weight losses and results there is. But it’s a theory, none the less.
On a side note:
I was NEVER that big of a fan of Leo. I think he, like Cox, benefited from having 3 HOF guys in his rotation, more so than believing that he helped make that trio into the HOF guys they became. I could be wrong, but it’s how I’ve felt for a long time.
That being said, I’m starting to lose faith in McDowell.
I’m not sure who said it the other day. But the Tyler Yates trade (and the short-term results since the trade), have me scratching my head.
Who knows? Maybe Yates just needed a change of scenery and the motivation of being “cut” (traded), to get his azz in line.
All I know, is that this bullpen could SURELY use him right about now.
I can’t even tell you the name of who we “got” for him. So I guess that speaks volumes of what “help” we got in return. I can, however tell you who we KEPT over Yates. That too, isn’t helping matters much in foreseeable near future. LOL!
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this
Got as couple runs back…watch what happens bullpen gonna give em right back
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this
Why isnt your 8th hitter bunting to advance the tying run into scoring position?
Answer…….. to hit a DP.
Obvious. That gives us a better chance to tie the game.
By GeorgetownKid
April 16, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this
Saying that the Braves lack “clutch hitting” is too much of an understatement.
I would settle for not grounding into double plays in clutch situations! It would be nice if one of our hitters could come through with a clutch strikeout. That would be an improvement!!
By michigan jeff
April 16, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this
Great, Looks like its gonna be another one run loss.
By HP
April 16, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this
Could it be another 1 run loss game for braves? Lets go braves!!
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
Just the beauty of a saying turned into reality…
Foulball by Kotsay into the stands, the commentater says… “That one fouled of into the seats”…. FUNNY! The turnout is a disgrace!
By N8
April 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
Hmmm. Another 1-run loss anybody? LOL! Good lord.
I’m not sure who is in charge of marketing for the Braves. But I’ve got a new slogan for them.
“Come one and come all. We’re the Atlanta Braves, and we’re ALMOST good enough to only lose by one run on most nights.”
By 22oz
April 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
Oh good. They pulled within a run to pad that lead of one run losses.
By Kev
April 16, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this
Hey, can somebody explain how every time we get a Friggin Rally we hit an Andruw Especial???? Christ another 1 RUN GAME!!!!!!!! Why????? Why???????????? Why the Braves????? Why??????????? Oh and Get Bennett the HELL out of that Bullpen…every time..every time…every single time he comes out…he gives up runs and at leats 1 BB…send him down NOW that he has options!!!!!!!!!! he Whats his problem, i he injured??? i dont know…could you ask him DOB
By N8
April 16, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this
Lost in the shuffle of this putrid display of rally ending double play baseball, is a nice outing from Blaine Boyer.
Oh wait. He WAS “protecting” a 1-run deficit, wasn’t he? No wonder he didn’t allow a run. LOL!
Man, this is getting tough.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this
It’ll be 0-7 in one-run games if the Bravos lose.
By McFann
April 16, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this
OK, wow. McCann finally gets an RBI, but it was via ground out. Swell. The last time he got a hit was on Saturday (3-4, HR, 2B). Ahhh! The good ol’ days!
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this
Good point Overlord about having Kotsay bunting Diaz over. The obvious thing is you get a guy into scoring position. Another is you put some pressure on the the opposing team’s defense. The Braves NEVER put pressure on the other team’s defense.
Even if the pinch hitter fails to get him in you will have your 1-3 guys up in the 9th.
Cox really has me scratching my head tonight. Starting with that bone headed move of bringing the infiend in during the 2nd inning of a 1 run game
By jbutler
April 16, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this
Great inning from Boyer…seemed like his fast ball was clocking a little slower- but he threw all 3 of his pitches effectively. Keeping it positive..hope its a good 9th!
By LuisGuillermo
April 16, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this
Maybe Resop and Bennett are Cox’s new Reitsma/Kolb combination, but at least they’re not being used in late-innings/close game situation…
By N8
April 16, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this
WOW!! What a shocker. Gregor Blanco (yeah….the ROOKIE, Gregor Blanco), is called upon to PH to lead-off the top of the 9th inning in a 1-run game, after having sit on the pine all night.
You guys are right. Having a guy like Kenny Lofton up in this spot would make NO SENSE at all.
Bobby might as well have let Boyer hit. At leas he wouldn’t have been coming off the bench “cold”.
Do us all a favor Bobby. PACK YOUR BAG and go home. You’ve officially lost your mind.
By Todd A
April 16, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this
This team has turned ‘failing in the clutch’ into an art form. Amazing. Something is definitely missing with this bunch.
By JT
April 16, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this
DOB
Any words on Moylan???
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this
DOB thanks for reminding us DOB not that were not aware
By michigan jeff
April 16, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this
Can we please find a leadoff hitter.
By Billy (TBFnB)
April 16, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this
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By N8
April 16, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this
In all fairness to KJ, that second strike was NOT a strike. So he had to swing at the third one.
But he was already stepping towards RF when he swung. ANY major league hitter would have known they were going out to that same spot again. How about step into it and drive it to LF?
Ironically, Wes Helms makes a diving stop to end the game and the pain.
That’s funny.
By McFann
April 16, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this
“We are the boys of summa
And it’s a big bumma
No matter who we play
We give the game away, cuz
We can’t win!
That would be a sin!
We even lose the games before they begin!”
Sheesh! Night, all.
By brent a.
April 16, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this
Okay, another 1-run loss.
Well, if you believe Bobby Cox, this is just another sign of how good the Braves are.
And, if you believe many on this blog, this is just another sign of our luck.
Well, right now, I don’t feel that good, or that lucky.
Yes, it’s a long season. 162 games to be exact. If I recall correctly, the last 2 seasons were also 162 games.
Let’s win tomorrow and come home with some momentum. Please.
By Jp
April 16, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this
Christ this Team Flat out Stinks right now!! WTG Bobby and Frank… What a bench the Braves have… Gotay and pray for rain!!!
By Hopeless
April 16, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
‘It’ll be 0-7 in one-run games if the Bravos lose.’
When they lose.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this
It’ll be 0-7 in one-run games if the Bravos lose.
We know. Trust me. I think everyone is going to remember the one-run games record all year long…..
Small sample size, but through 14 games, the Braves are the only team without a come from behind victory.
By JasonInMaine
April 16, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this
I was hoping Kelly being in the subject of the blog would snap him out of his funk, but man; he is lost right now.
By P-Town Brave
April 16, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this
WE SUCK AGAIN!!
By i cant take it anymore
April 16, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this
mark it 0-7, dude. shut up, donnie. I said mark it 0-7 dude.
By fastasballs
April 16, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
It’s official, Blanco is this year’s Chris Woodward/Pete Orr. He’s the guy Cox will send to the plate in crucial spots time & time again regardless of previous results, which have all been failures.
By Todd A
April 16, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
Is Jerome Jerinovich on crack? He just asked Gant if it was a good or bad sign that the Braves were 0-7 in one run games. Sheesh.
By Philliesuk
April 16, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
Rationalization = a team’s record in 1-run games is mostly based on luck
Truth = a team’s record in 1-run games is highly dependent on the bullpen and bench
By BravesFanChris23
April 16, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
Well, I know its another loss and its not fun by any means. I know more people are going to sing the season is over and all that other garbage. However, tonight, although disappointing was something newer than what’s been going on and that it seems the bats are starting to liven up. Bullpen was better than what its been. I think tonight’s loss is a sign that things are going to start changing, I just hope its not extremely slow.
I believe that they will win tomorrow against Marlins and then open up the next home stint with momentum. Tonight like I said although disappointing, there was some that came out of it definitely.
Once things start heating up and the injury bug is gone, Braves will get back to where they need to be. I for one feel like its in due time and I have realistic reason to feel that way.
By scott boras
April 16, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
lose by 1 run again.. and we have yet to win by a run. i think thats 7 times now in first 2 weeks of season…(pulling hair). then we just miss 2 hrs..(throwing beer can)..3 double plays ..i cant handle this but we are better than this…right???
By scott boras
April 16, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
lose by 1 run again.. and we have yet to win by a run. i think thats 7 times now in first 2 weeks of season…(pulling hair). then we just miss 2 hrs..(throwing beer can)..3 double plays ..i cant handle this but we are better than this…right???
By Ben
April 16, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
Hey we are right there with the mighty Detroit Tigers. 5 wins each.
By SNIPER-69
April 16, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this
Somebody tell Lew the braves lost and the METS won. If he has any questions he could call me at 1-800-braves-suck…
By Dutchie
April 16, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
@n8 (and all others:))
In my view, nooooooooow it’s time to let rip on the stupid decisions, bad executions of AB’s, reflect on some good bits and mooooooooan about yet another 1 run loss!
But it’s bedtime in 15 mins here in Europe. Back out of bed in 4 hours….
Have fun analysing guys and next time will be better….hopefully!
See y’all next game.
Go Braves!
By HP
April 16, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
Braves players are not taking this one run game seriously. 1-2-3 in 9th is not going to help the team. More of the players don’t show patience at the plate. There is no timely hitting. Bullpen blows up most of the games. Right now, this team does not look like a playoff team. Someone please explain me how do you lose with Pirates, Nationals, Marlins, and struggling rockies and only beat mets. You have to win games with every team no matter if they are good or bad. Why are braves making every single pitcher they face look like they have been in majors for a while? This team really needs to set up because braves fans like us are really frustrated with their work.
By Bravesfan79
April 16, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
“The Braves are 0-7 in one run games…is this a good sign Ron because were not getting blown out!??
WTF kinda DUMB a$$ question was that?? mr. jerome jerinibitch…what a suck up….
By McFann
April 16, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this
OK, last thing:
The loss should go to Bennett. If he wouldn’ta given up the HR, the Braves woulda won by one run!
The stat that bugs me the most: Pitchers’ win-loss thing. A guy cann pitch like…really bad, but his team scores 10 runs, so he gets the win when he didn’t deserve it. Then a guy pitches like JJJ on April 15, and his team scores zilch, so he gets a loss. AAAARRRGGGG!!
By Joebrave
April 16, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this
This is what you get when you build your Bullpen on the CHEAP,Can’t Won’t and NEVER will work!!!
Cmon,Wrenny,do away with Reslop,Ring-A-Ding,and That God Awful ChuckJames!!!
By BravesFanChris23
April 16, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
According to Tom Haudricourt, reliever Derrick Turnbow had his agent contact Brewers GM Doug Melvin about his current mop-up role. Turnbow has been marginalized following this winter’s acquisitions of Eric Gagne, David Riske, and Salomon Torres. He’s not requesting a trade, but he’s not happy.
An uncharacteristic bout of good control in 2005 allowed Turnbow to save 39 games and earn a three-year extension the following spring. He’s paid $3.2MM this season, the last of the deal. If my calculations are correct, he still won’t be a free agent until after the ‘09 season. Turnbow has whiffed a ton of hitters over the last two seasons, but he can’t find the plate. The Tigers and Braves are a couple of possible suitors if Melvin decides to shop him.
This is from MLBTradeRumors. If Braves can get him for cheap, I’d say go for it. He could help till Soriano gets back. When he’s on he’s good. Plus I think a change of scenery might do him some good.
By yunel is the man
April 16, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
hey N8 it seems everything you say is just what the marlin comm. said on mlb. Man if you cant come up with your own things 2 say maybe you should just keep your fingers quit.
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
N8
But he was already stepping towards RF when he swung. ANY major league hitter would have known they were going out to that same spot again. How about step into it and drive it to LF?
He is a dead pull hitter. I am a huge KJ fan, but he does need to learn to take that pitch to left field.
By it doesn't matter what my name is
April 16, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this
Seems like the Homers come out starting around 8:30 A.M. to give hope and try to sell their kool-aid and stats to the Braves fans who actually see there is a major problem with this team. One can see luck is not on their side this year. No team has this luck with one run games. It won’t be long until a clubhouse brawl occurs. Nobody likes losing this much, espcially vets like Smoltz and Chipper. Lets face it, the 2 year removed baby Braves don’t know how it feels to actually win a MLB division championship. Cox won’t make it another season; he will retire after this season. I am sure this is too much for him to bear also. Heck this is the 70’s and 80’s all over again.
By Bo
April 16, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this
Per Bobby, Losing by one means we’re a good team. Believe that? Losing by one is as bad as losing by 10 you still lost, Bobby. Campillo did a great job and The Bar is having fun.
By i cant take it anymore
April 16, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this
sniper, are you kidding me?
By N8
April 16, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this
“Once things start heating up and the injury bug is gone.”
His contract is up this year. So that will be next season. What’s that? Oh. You said injury bug, and I instantly thought of Mike Hampton. Sorry.
“I for one feel like its in due time and I have realistic reason to feel that way.”
What color is your helmet your mom makes you where when you’re on the playground? Ooops. Sorry again. I just assumed you were mentally challenged, and THAT was the “reason to feel that way”.
Sorry. No harm intended. Just couldn’t help myself.
By Braveheart
April 16, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this
There is NO PLACE for that much show-boating after a HR (as I stated before, especially a one that doesn’t even tie the game up - or do you also like guys that “chest-thump” after making a special teams tackle, when their team is losing by 3 TD’s?). I don’t care if the ghost of Babe Ruth bought a ticket specifically to see Yunel Escobar play, and was sitting behind the dugout. KNOCK IT OFF!! In reality, he’s gonna get Chipper plunked is what’s gonna happen. Which is why Chip needs to sit the excited young man down.
Oh, N8, gimme a break. I hate when fans get so upset about arrogance and showboating. That’s one of the problems with this team. Not enough swagger. It’s great that he showed some.
The rest of these youngsters could learn something from Yunel. The rest of the youngsters need to stop waiting for permission.
They need to be like Escobar and make this their team. Stop genuflecting to the manager and to Chipper and Smoltz and Glavine.
We need more of our young players to have an Escobar like “this is my world and you just happen to be living in it” attitude “and if you don’t like it, get the hell out of the way.”
And if the other team is stupid enough to hit CHipper because of it, then so effin be it. Hey, at least we’ll be guaranteed to get another darn runner on base.
Like Jack Nicholson said in the Departed, “I don’t want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me….. That’s what these youngsters don’t realize. If I got one thing against the Baby Braves, it’s this - no one gives it to you. You have to take it.”
Escobar gets that and he waits for no one to give it to him. Frenchy used to be that way but he started hanging with the old men on the golf course, trying to be a middle aged, preppy, country clubbing Johnny All American.
The rest of them don’t yet get it either. They are far too afraid of offending the sensibilities of Cox and whoever else is impeding these kids from acting like the freaking kids they are.
Less country club. More Animal House is needed out of these kids
By BosnianBaller
April 16, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
Looks like the stop gap gm should start to go into panic mode.
Wouldn’t be better if Josh Anderson played LF and hit leadoff.Just a suggestion b/c the bravos haven’t had a true lead-off hitter since furcal left after ‘05.Plus Diaz is better comin off the bench and he is a liability on D.
By BosnianBaller
April 16, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
Looks like the stop gap gm should start to go into panic mode.
Wouldn’t be better if Josh Anderson played LF and hit leadoff.Just a suggestion b/c the bravos haven’t had a true lead-off hitter since furcal left after ‘05.Plus Diaz is better comin off the bench and he is a liability on D.
By TNRON
April 16, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
Anybody else on here think Diaz decides to swing before the pitch is even thrown?I can see it now…a swinging strike on a pickoff attempt at first.And I’m sorry but I really think I would rather see Anderson in CF.Kotsay as an outfielder is grossly overated.About two more weeks and his BA will be around .200.But its a hard .200 I guess.According to the Braves past precedures we will have to wait about 40-50 games into the season to see any meaningful changes in the batting order/personel.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this
Nothing on Moylan, not going to find out until tomorrow.
As for Hudson said he just had nothing, didn’t have feel for the ball and couldn’t get his fastball up past 84-86 mph. Strange. Said he just felt like his arm was dead, even though he had no pain and said he felt fine physically otherwise. Did acknowledge that cumulative effects of sickness last week and throwing 8 innings might possibly have weakened him.
Still, strange. To have that drop in velocity….
By N8
April 16, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this
yunel is the man
“hey N8 it seems everything you say is just what the marlin comm. said on mlb. Man if you cant come up with your own things 2 say maybe you should just keep your fingers quit.”
Odd thing is, the first time I posted that Chipper needs to sit down with Yunel it was BEFORE their announcers said it.
Your and idiot. Ask anybody on this blog. Even the people that dislike my posts, if I’ve EVER had trouble coming up with my own silly ideas.
If I followed what the announcers say about the Braves, I’d believe that Bobby Cox is the greatest thing on the planet, and that it’s “still early”.
But please enlighten me on what else I “stole” from the Marlins’ announcers. Dang! I bet they were the ones saying that Tex was gonna come up with a meaningless HR, right?
Maybe it was them that mentioned that Kenny Lofton would be a good fit on our bench?
Or perhaps they are the ones that stated that YOU should just shut your pie-hole? Ooops. That was originally “mine” too. Dang. Sorry about that.
By bfan54
April 16, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this
No panic button from me, but serious concern. I do feel that the BC approach (things work themselves out) is not an adequate solution. He needs at least to futz with the batting order, give some regulars a day off, and do some serious analysis of his pitchers, healthwise and talentwise. The team as currently manned and managed is not a playoff team by a long-shot.The return of a pitcher or two (I didn’t say “3”!), will not by itself turn things around. We have other “challenges” (is that polite for “we would still suck!), that must be addressed. Tinkering will help, but we need a sparkplug/an infusion of something. This team has no heart. 0-7 in one-run, no come from behinds, mediocre fielding (it’s not bad, it is mediocre), and no speed whatsoever- coupled with no plate discipline have overwhelmed a team with injury problems.
As presently constituted this is a 70 win team. That is not an awful team. Bring back Hampton and Soriano, and add maybe 6 wins to the total - Moylan and Gonzo pitch this year, add maybe another 6 wins. That makes 82. Tex can make a difference in a few games, but if ALL of this has to happen, and some of it doesn’t - well, you can do the math.
BC is in trouble, and he is not the manager for these troubled times. I credit the man, but managers like players have an “effective career span”, and Bobby Cox has seen his better days.
Am I suggesting blow up the team? No. My and your hope springs eternal, but this team is not the team that was 10-20 and roared back, these aren’t the Miracle Braves either. This is a team that (right now) doesn’t believe in itself. It isn’t even trying too hard, it is a team in distress, not merely down - but, as a young and talented team, IF it can get over some humps, kick a few butts, and have some surprise players begin to blossom, it can be competitive again. It is not a fundamentally bad team, but didn’t we expect a little more from Kotsay,Diaz and Kelly?
Enough of my psycho-babble. I am an older dude, and maybe rely too much on intuition (that intuition would have kept Javy Lopez!). Hey, everyone’s got opinions, and those were mine. No apologies.
By scott boras
April 16, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this
NO to derrick turnbow
By Efrim
April 16, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
Hey guys calm down, we have still scored more runs than we have given up……
….oh who am I kidding. Regardless of run differential, this team is 5-9 and has a boatload of pitching injuries.
Whether or not the one run losses are bad luck, lack of clutch pitching/hitting, or even BC, the fact is that we are 5-9 and 4 games out of 1st place. Even beyond the record, which isn’t even important right now, the team’s morale can’t be high. 0-7 in one run games has got to hurt.
If Soriano can come back healthy, I think this team is okay. If he is lost for a significant period of time, then we are in a lot of trouble. Of course this is assuming Moylan is out for the remainder of the season.
By N8
April 16, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this
Braveheart
“The rest of these youngsters could learn something from Yunel. The rest of the youngsters need to stop waiting for permission.”
What Yunel does with the bat? Yes. What Yunel does with the glove? Yes. What Yunel does with his arm? Yes.
Let me guess. You’re a HUGE fan of Allan Iverson too, right? Chad Johnson gets you all hyped up?
Sorry. Totally disagree with you. Passion, fire, enthusiasm and CONFIDENCE can be had without show-boating. Chipper has JUST AS MUCH if not more “swagger” than Yunel can ever dream of having. Yet the Mets have NEVER threw at him. Why is that? Because he does it the RIGHT way.
“Stop genuflecting to the manager and to Chipper and Smoltz and Glavine.”
ROFLMFAO!!!!!! Are you sh!ttin’ me?
3 HOF players and a manager I despise?
Mr. Harvey, like your bar, you are COMPLETELY NUTZ!
By BravesFanChris23
April 16, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this
it doesn’t matter what my name is
Seems like the Homers come out starting around 8:30 A.M. to give hope and try to sell their kool-aid and stats to the Braves fans who actually see there is a major problem with this team.
There’s a difference between what homers do and what realistically optimistic fans do. I know I am not a “homer”, so I’ll not take what you said seriously. However, I will explain why some fans aren’t overreacting or calling it a season yet like most of the irrational pessimistic fans are acting.
I have have said time and time again and I’ve seen others mention and acknowledge there’s problems. Anyone who doesn’t see it is blind. However, saying the season is over because of the struggles thus far is far more ridiculous than “homers selling their kool-aid”. The injury bug sucks and the bad luck as well. However, it happens to every team and the teams above Braves have the same problem in that area and they aren’t exactly setting the world on fire on the offensive side either.
Continuing with the offensive side, the 3 teams ahead of Braves right now aren’t doing so hot either. Sure their record are better, but they aren’t exactly setting the world on fire and running away with the division.
There’s no excuses to make for the bad mistakes Braves have done thus far and I don’t think anyone will excuse them for them. However, there’s quite a bit of elements that are/were against Braves which were beyond their control. The scheduling for one. Those Colorado games were proof. The injury bug isn’t their fault, it just happened, so you can’t blame them for that.
The offense is cold and slow and its something they need to collectively work on and get going bar Escobar and Chipper of course. The offense is going to be fine once it heats up. Tonight’s game showed signs of it. Yes, its a bit late to show up, but not too late as in season ending late like I’ve seen most go on about.
So to sum it up, yes there are problems, some major (injuries to key guys Moylan and Soriano, although it looks like Soriano isn’t going to be majoy) and some not major the coldness of the offense and the inefficiencies of the bullpen. At the beginning the inefficiencies were the bullpen’s fault, but the way they’ve kind of been over used now, they deserve some slack.
Until Braves have bigger and more worse problems, they are not done yet and they DO have plenty of time to get back to form where they need to be. Sorry if not everyone feels like drinking the irrationally pessimistic its all over kool-aid.
By brent a.
April 16, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this
That drop in velocity sounds eerily familiar to what happened to Mike Gonzalez last year.
By yunel is the man
April 16, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this
Braveheart GREAT POST ON THE 10:14. You took the words right out of my mouth. THE SWAGGER IS BACK IN ATLANTA. Hey all yall showboat haters look at Jose Reyes now, the top brass said bring it down a notch so he did and the hole team went down with it. If its not fun who wants to play? Keep it up Yunel, BRAVEHEART and I will back you all the way to the playoffs.
By Goodoleboy58
April 16, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this
I don’t understand if yall hate the Braves and Bobby Cox so much why do yall stick around? I mean Bobby’s only been here since Moses roamed the Earth… When did you even become a Braves fan? Save the sky is falling and support the team..
By brent a.
April 16, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this
I’m still not convinced that not having a closer is hurting us any.
By Reid in EAV
April 16, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
*Neo/Braves: “So, I’m not the one?
The Oracle: “Oh, you’ve got the gift. But it seems like you’re waiting for something.”*
By LuisGuillermo
April 16, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this
JaisonInMaine: I don’t think Kelly Johnson is “LOST”. Yes, his OBP is low and his AVG is not spectacular. The guy has hit in 10 of 12 games, and has reached base in… ALL GAMES! (13 times on base and only 4 runs, though)
By raindawg722
April 16, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this
BravesFanChris23, Amen to your 10:28. It’s April 16, for crying out loud.
By bfan54
April 16, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this
…oh…and by the way, aside from Gotay, we’ve got no bench - I’ll say it again, “we’ve got no bench”. but you all know that!
By bfan54
April 16, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this
…oh…and by the way, aside from Gotay, we’ve got no bench - I’ll say it again, “we’ve got no bench”. but you all know that!
By Mark in PA
April 16, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this
N8—I seem to recall countering some of your (and others’) negativity by posting some “glass half full” analysis, that one-run records will even out…
Back when it was 0-3 in one run games.
By N8
April 16, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this
DOB
Thanks for that 10:20 “update” on Hudson. That made me feel MUCH better. LOL!
So let me get this right. In January we were RAVING about our pitching depth.
In the meantime:
1: Smoltz missed a start, and his shoulder will more than likely be tender all year.
2: Glavine isn’t on the DL, but if everybody else was healthy, more than likely wouldn’t push it.
3: Hampton has yet to pitch.
4: Chuck James was sent to AAA, called up, essentially in an emergency situation, and BOMBED, thus getting shipped back to Richmond.
5: Bennett has been mediocre to horrible, other than that first “spot start” when Hampton got hurt waking up.
6: Soriano is on the DL with an elbow issue.
7: Moylan more than likely isn’t pitching again anytime soon, if AT ALL again this year.
8: Resop (THE reason Yates is not here - but don’t get me wrong - if he was still a Brave, he’d still suck too),is doing his best to make people wish that we still had Kolb.
9: Hudson leaves a game after not “having it”, and only being able to top his fastball out around 85 MPH.
Worst of all, less than 2 weeks into the season, we’ve had to call upon Buddy.
Folks that aren’t worried about this pitching staff, are in SERIOUS denial.
But hey…Mike Gonzalez is gonna be back sooner than expected, so things are looking up, right?
If I’m Mike Gonzalez, I’m finding a doctor to give me a “second opinion” saying I’m NOT ready to come back in June. This pitching staff has a curse, and I’d want NO PART of it, if I’m him.
Yikes.
By brent a.
April 16, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this
Goodoleboy58:
One of the worst posts in the history of the internet @ 10:34 PM
By Tomas
April 16, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this
damm offense isnt picking it up, I mean is mark hendrickson, you have to win, that guy is a very weak pitcher. Mark texeira needs to wake up, start hittin them like he did at the end of last year, and chipper grounded in to a key double play in one run game in the 7th inning, he is a dp threat specially in clutch situations.
Tell me tomorrow the braves will face a righty, i think lefties are especially tough because chipper just isnt the same hitter from the right side and tex is struggling from the right side also, and when youre 3 4 hitters arent at the top of their game is difficult to make runs. Also Kelly Johnson is being to aggresive he has only one walk this season, and he is our leadoff hitter, he is a guy who has been praised for his pacience, and guess what that walk turned into a run today.
Braves need to make pitchers work theyve just been to aggresive, and thats why a pitcher like olsen was able to cruise through 7 innings with 80 pitches, they need someone that can wear a pitcher out in an at bat fouling off pitches and making the pitcher walk him.
By Shamus Thacker
April 16, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this
I agree with taking Hudson out. Why keep him out there [risking injury] on a night when his stuff’s not par?
Anything new about Hammy? He’s sucha wuss. If I’d been outa the lineup as long as Hams, I’da pitched deaf and blind, with a fractured skull and no ears. He should wear a dress to the mound with pink slippers. Oh, that’s right, he’s allergic to mounds….
By Goodoleboy58
April 16, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this
I don’t understand if yall hate the Braves and Bobby Cox so much why do yall stick around? I mean Bobby’s only been here since Moses roamed the Earth… When did you even become a Braves fan? Save the sky is falling and support the team..
By N8
April 16, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this
yunel is the man
“Yunel, BRAVEHEART and I will back you all the way to the playoffs.”
Interesting. What’s he gonna pitch for us too, and convince Bobby to get KJ out of the lead-off spot, and Diaz out of LF?
PLAYOFFS!? DON’T TALK ABOUT PLAYOFFS! YOU KIDDING ME? PLAYOFFS?! I JUST HOPE WE CAN WIN A GAME.
For the record yunel is the man, I stole that from Jim Mora. Why? Because it applies.
Playoffs? That’s funny.
By matt
April 16, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this
Braveheart and Yunel is the man, you’re right - Yunel’s deal didn’t hurt anything. But I’d also like to add that it seems a bit ridiculous to criticize a success - Do we have to be p** about everything, even the good things. What did Campillo do wrong tonight? And, yes, Hudson’s drop in velocity sounds way too much like Gonzalez last year…
By Mark in PA
April 16, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this
only way Hudson is fine is if they have a MASSIVE change in luck!
Where is that kangaroo ball?!!
By Shamus Thacker
April 16, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this
You’re right, doesn’t matter what my name is, it does feel like the 70’s especially.
Aaron, Darrell Evans, and Davey Johnson, all had 40 homers. We scored runs like the 27 Yankees, BUT, we gave away runs like it was the sole object of the game.
This team is gonna score ALOT.
It’s also gonna give up ALOTTA runs… The pen is gonna be really leaky unless something is done.
By Citizen Mike
April 16, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this
I hereby cast my vote: Braves are losers.
Get rid of Cox.
Trade Francoeur for some pitchers.
Lower the boom on these slackers.
By N8
April 16, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this
“I don’t understand if yall hate the Braves and Bobby Cox so much why do yall stick around?”
When my little sister dated a complete moron, and I told her so. It was FACT. And by stating fact, it was in no way, stating that I hated HER.
Besides. That’s a loaded statement. If we are only fans when they win, bail when they stink it up, only to return again when it turns around, that would make us fair weather fans.
I’ve never stated that I hate this team. Never stated once this year, that they CAN’T (or won’t) turn it around. But right now, they suck. Period. End of discussion. No denying it. Your argument won’t hold water.
How’s that?
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this
“I don’t know how bad hell is, but I’d call it the trip from hell so far,” left fielder Matt Diaz said.
By BravesFanChris23
April 16, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this
N8
Folks that aren’t worried about this pitching staff, are in SERIOUS denial.
There’s definitely reasons to worry about the pitching staff and I am concerned myself. However, not all of the staff is hurting/injured. All that’s need is to have Soriano come back and the other guys get into a groove.
I know it may sound like too much, but I think it’ll get done. I don’t think the staff will this bad once things start rolling and I think it can and they have the tools to do so. I’m not in denial at all, I know there’s a lot wrong right now, but I don’t think its the end of the world much less end of the season for the Braves because of it right now.
If the injury woes continue and the inefficiencies of the bullpen continue past April and deeper into the season then yes, its time to panic and be really pessimistic. However, the pitching staff isn’t gone down the drain yet. Only Moylan and Soriano are the casualties and even though Smoltz/Glavine have woes, it looks like that they are going to battle through them.
Like it or not Gonzo coming back is a good thing. Whether or not it translates into good or bad, it remains to be seen, but having that caliber of pitcher coming back gives fans credible reasons to be optimistic.
I’ll say it again there is room for concern and worry for the team in general right now, but the sky is falling, its all over, stick a fork in them they’re done and all the other ridiculous banter is far more ridiculous than the “ones in denial”.
I’m not pointing fingers, I’m not saying its wrong to feel disappointed or concerned or anything like, because there’s real reasons to be. However, the ones who are irrationally going on and on about how its over are the problem. Its just making the matter worse.
If people are truly Braves fans then buck up and prove it and not be so irrational when the bad is happening.
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this
N8, under normal circumstances I’d agree with you about Escobar and the post-homer display. No place for it. Under normal circumstances.
But at least consider the fact he’s a Cuban defector, playing in Miami (the largest concentration of Cubans outside Havana), and playing for one of the first times in front of his family, the folks he was pointing to above the dugout.
If you remember a story I wrote two springs ago, he had to get a lot of help to get his sister and dad out of Cuba just over a year ago, then finally got his mom out to join them in Miami last year. They live in Miami.
Again, I would agree with you, for the most part, under normal circumstances. But given the situation, I’d give him at least a bit of leeway. Gotta like the passion, at least.
By Jethro
April 16, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this
I mean Bobby’s only been here since Moses roamed the Earth…
That’s why the Israelites lost successive one run contests to the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
By uga-brave
April 16, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this
k.j. cant hit a inside breaking ball and has one extra base hit as a starter. diaz is stiking out a ton, does not walk and has two extra base hits. as for kotsay, he is just flat below average.
this team will not survive if these guys dont pick it up. their .ops is falt out terrible.
this is what happens when you over estimate your talent.
as DOB noted, kelly has been struggling for a while. he needs to get out of the leadoff spot.
as for kotsay and diaz it is pretty safe to say they are not gonna produce like typical outfielders.
anybody seriously think this current outfield is gonna hit more then 45 homeruns?
the bullpen did not pitch bad tonight. 6 ip. 3 h., 2 r.
like i said this is a mediocre team playing bad baseball.
when the srarting pitching is good they dont hit. when they hit the pitching is poor.
3-9 against the pirates, fish, nats, and rocks.
2007 redux. oh by the way, how many save situations have the braves had in 14 games?
By mets fan in atlanta
April 16, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this
I’m just glad Campillo pitched tonight after the Braves were losing, so he won’t be able to pitch on Friday—meaning they will be able to start Buddy Carlyle. I love it — the depth. How many of you realize that Buddy Carlyle was non-tendered back in the offseason, meaning he was a free agent? Then no other team made an offer to sign him—none. So the Braves brought him back to spring training, he didn’t make the team, but you laud him as depth???? hahahahaha I didn’t get signed by anyone this offseason either, so would the mets signing me indicate they had “depth”?
BTW, looks like Bennett is losing his job as the “longman/spotstarter”—then again, he rarely actually did that job anyway. Again he’s brought into the game in a one-inning situation and he blows up again. But hey, he’s “depth”.
Oh yeah, those of you harping on Cox to change the lineup, consider this:
Willie Randolph switched the Mets lineup around on Tuesday (after the off day) and moved Ryan Church to 2nd and Luis Castillo to 8th. Castillo had been a black hole lately at the top of the lineup. The move has paid off big time because Church has kept hitting, the Mets have won two in a row, and Castillo had two hits tonight, so hopefully some of the pressure is off of him.
Also, last year when Delgado started slumping, Willie moved him down as far as 6th in the lineup. Many complain about Willie’s managing (myself included), but he at least doesn’t seem scared to “ruffle a vet’s feathers”. I think Cox is afraid moving Tex in the lineup would cause Tex to resent him, and meaning losing a chance to resign him in the offseason. Who knows, maybe management has even told Cox, “Keep Tex in the 4 hole no matter what—if you move him down, he’ll be unhappy, and then we don’t keep him.” Wouldn’t surprise me.
By Tomas
April 16, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this
Braves have a hell of a team not right now because of the docen injuries they have but I still think they will win the east. They’re just playing bad baseball, but i have faith they will be in the playoffs october when comes. Dont blame cox he is only been the best manager in braves history, and if you dont agree with that you are an idiot. Just wait, and when this offense wakes up and soriano mike gonzales, and mike hampton come back, watch out, they will have the best team, even better than the mets, and colorado.
By yunel is the man
April 16, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this
N8 go to the mets blog and wish them luck. It seems to me and others on here are tired of hearing your negativity. Lets see tomm. when we are wining you will be just like 90% of the people on hear tonight, saying all +++++++++ things about the team. Jeeezzzz people yall act like pre-school kids. MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
By JP
April 16, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this
DOB
Did you just said that Hudson’s felt his arm “dead”, his velocity dropped to 85 MPH….my heart stopped for a minute.
This is just the beginning of the end… May Jesuschrist save the Braves season…cause i think hes the ONLY ONE who can…ALL HELL is breaking lose in the Braves in just 2 weeks into the season!!! im so Disappointed by the way this season started…almost the entire pitching staff INJURED, HORRIBLE BULLPEN, Set up and Closer Injured,the Offense is still in the Offseason…taking naps…WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!!, no speed whatsoever, Tex,Mac,Frenchy,Diaz and Kotsay, killing rallys and swinging at FIRST PITCHES and the Bench,oh the mighty Bench!!! has to be the WORSE in the NL…only Gotay has 2 or 3 Hits and Blanco, Peña, Miller, Prado?????? 0-Fer what??? those four dont have a hit off the bench since last week….Im not even going to watch Friday’s game…I guarantee we LOSE on Friday…guess what is all back to 2006 and 2007…Bullpen is Horrible than ever and Buddy Carlyle is Starting…Ugh..Ugh..Ugh.im going to vomit.!!!
By David O'Brien
April 16, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this
Braves aren’t announcing anything until tomorrow, but I’ll be surprised if Moylan’s injury isn’t a serious one.
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this
As for Hudson said he just had nothing, didn’t have feel for the ball and couldn’t get his fastball up past 84-86 mph. Strange. Said he just felt like his arm was dead, even though he had no pain and said he felt fine physically otherwise.
DOB could you please try to remember? last year someone said the same phrase, im about 95% it was gonzalez….. the part about no pain but feeling the arm dead.
Ill google for it…… this could be scary.
By BravesDave
April 16, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this
DOB, I don’t even have words to respond to Hudson’s comments that his arm felt ‘dead’ and he couldn’t get his fastball above the mid-80s.
No matter how anyone tries to spin things, if Tim Hudson is injured, it will be the death knell for this team. April 16th - season over.
By uga-brave
April 16, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this
DOB,
you are getting down right prophetic. your blog lead ins are coming to fruition every night “baatan death march” kind of eerie.
got any lottery numbers for us?
all kidding aside, call it early if you will but the definition of insanity is “doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same undesirable results”
By yunel is the man
April 16, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this
Thanks DOB for the 10:58 I have been trying to clear that for the last 1 1/2 hour but they didnt want to hear it from me. I said we always pionts to wife at home plate when he hits a hommer, but tonight he got a little excited and did it at first for the family.
By Overlord
April 16, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this
DOB here it is…… exactly the same words expressed by hudson.
Mike Gonzalez, who was placed on the DL after seeing his velocity drop about 10 mph from one appearance to the next is very encouraged after playing catch before Tuesday’s game. Feeling no pain in his session as well as a negative MRI on his left elbow is making Gonzalez, who is still confused as to the cause of the drop in velocity, seemed very optimistic about his arm.
What I had thought before still sits true. While many fans were getting incredibly worried about Gonzalez’s future, it always seemed like… dead-arm. Let’s face it, Gonzalez has proven not to have a rubber arm over his career and with Bobby saying he thought a daily weight training routine was to blame, it just makes it even more plausible. Hopefully he gets back to the point where he can pitch again and takes over for Paronto. That would leave only Oscar Villarreal as a pitcher in the pen with an ERA over four and even he has been much better lately.
By Steve
April 16, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this
Sure doesn’t take much to get on the DL. Rub some dirt on it and get out there and play some dang ball man! Earn some of your paychecks! Anyway, it is becoming obvious that these Braves are very overrated, except for Chipper.
By BravesDave
April 16, 2008 11:22 PM | Link to this
As of now, the Braves have the second worst winning percentage in the National League. Even worse than the simply disgraceful SF Giants. Yes, the Giants have won 6 games and the Braves have won 5 games.
We all need to stop trying to make ourselves feel better by saying “the rest of the NL East is terrible”. No. The Marlins (!!!!!) are 4 games ahead of the Braves. The Mets and Phillies are also ahead of the Braves.
A 5-9 start on the heels of 2006 and 2007 is not an abberation. It is a trend.
By monty
April 16, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this
ANOTHER ONE RUN LOSS,I have lost count, Is it 5 or 6 now? Surely the Braves must be approaching a record for that many one run losses in so few of games played. No one is clutch when everything is on the line. No one! Chipper, Tex, McCann. Everytime there are chances to tie it up or take the lead, they lay down. If I had a dollar for every bad pitch they swung at I’d be doing alright. THere is just mothing special about this team right now, maybe there will be in the future but right now of all the teams that we have played, I think all those teams are better, not on paper, but in actuality than the Braves. THis team is so disappointing to watch.
By Barry Zito
April 16, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this
Timmy Hudson, man, you’re not pitching correctly. Watch me, I’ll show you how it’s done.
By FEAR
April 16, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this
turn out the lights the party is over!
By TennesseePaul
April 16, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this
Well no news until tomorrow. That’s one more day we can pause with our forks over the team right? If it comes back tomorrow that Hudson and Moylan are in the boat with Gonzalez then I don’t think it’d be too much of a stretch to start the stabbing motion.
Crap I hope not. I’d rather everyone be healthy.
By Mark in PA
April 16, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this
BravesFanChris23 wrote: …However, not all of the staff is hurting/injured. All that’s need is to have Soriano come back and the other guys get into a groove.
Now, THAT post gets my vote for crackpipe optimist of the night.
Are you freaking kidding me? The ONLY starter without some sort of question mark is the #5 rookie Jurrjens—and we’re 14 games into the season! Granted, Huddy’s is small, and John Smoltz is my personal hero, but dang, dude! There’s bigger problems than Soriano can fix! We’re 0-7 in one run games- does that say anything to you about the bullpen? The offense? Close and late BA?
But as long as they’re not ALL on the DL, the return of the closer will make everything right. Right?
By N8
April 16, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this
DOB
Thanks for the info on Escobar’s “situation”. It sheds SOME light on it. Add to that, he IS still a kid. So I’ll cut him some slack this time.
But I still don’t like it.
Walk off HR with how bad this team is playing? Absolutely.
But not hitting a HR that brings the team within a run.
Just my opinion. But my guess is that his Braves teammates feel closer to the way I do, than the way that Braveheart and “yunel is the man” do.
But agree with you on his passion. You can’t dislike that.
But again thanks for the info.
yunel is the man
“I said we always pionts to wife at home plate when he hits a hommer, but tonight he got a little excited and did it at first for the family.”
You still don’t get it. The part that bugs me (and it’s bugged me ALL YEAR on his other HR and some of the doubles), how he flips his bat away. Then WATCHED the ball fly over the fense.
That can be done while running hard to 1B. What if that ball hits off of the top of the scoreboard out there?
Like the MARLINS ANNOUNCERS SAID, it’s not even like it was an upper deck shot.
The pointing in the crowd was the least issues, though I still didn’t like it. And still don’t, even after DOB’s information. Though I understand it a bit more now.
“N8 go to the mets blog and wish them luck.”
They don’t need my luck. They seem to be winning just fine without it. If you haven’t noticed, they’re 2.5 games ahead of us, even though we took 2 of 3 from them. Hmmm.
“Lets see tomm. when we are wining you will be just like 90% of the people on hear tonight, saying all +++++++++ things about the team.”
Are you new to the blog? I haven’t said anything good about this team DURING the season over the past 338 games. All of my praise comes in the off-season, when hope is high, and the Braves marketing and spin doctors convince fans that they’ve put a solid team together. Once they start playing, my compliments are as few and far between as the wins are (in other words about 50 percent of the time).
“Jeeezzzz people yall act like pre-school kids. MAKE UP YOUR MIND.”
I’ve made up my mind. I love the Braves. I love baseball in general. I hope the Braves win. I’m not convinced they will. The injuries are mounting, and the guys without injuries NOT named Smoltz, Escobar and Chipper are NOT playing well.
Don’t let the facts of the first 14 games get the way of your pipe-dream world that has the Braves still making the play-offs, if they keep playing like this.
Just because the schedule is 162 games long, doesn’t mean they will turn it around. The past two seasons, ALSO were 162 games long, and time brought nothing but more of the same.
UNLESS THEY CHANGE THEIR WAYS, this year will ALSO bring more of the same…..mediocrity.
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By DAP
April 16, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this
i didnt watch the end of the game…and when i turned on braves live and saw the score…i actually laughed. ANOTHER one run loss.
im feeling pretty down about this team. i am mired in despair. i know alot can happen over the course of 162, but something has to be done to stop the bleeding here.
the team just has to play well, cause they arent. its as simple…and as complicated…as that.
By Lou Vales
April 16, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this
What can you say when a man in his 60’s starts to wear a catcher’s mitt in the dugout??? Well, just remember that the Florida Marlins have won more World Series in the last 11 years than the Cubs, Indians, Mariners, Astros, Rangers, Devil Rays, Expos/Nationals, Giants, Brewers and BRAVES have won COMBINED in the LAST 50 YEARS!!!!!! I’ll do the math—The Marlins have won 2 World Series(Why you ultimately play the game) and those 10 other teams have won 1!!!!!!!!!! ONE in 50 YEARS!!!!! Real Nice, but those division pennants strung across the facade(appropriate term) at Turner Field are somewhat like Purdue displaying NCAA Basketball Tourney appearance banners in Mackey Arena.
And those 2 have been won by a franchise with basically no stadium, no owner, no fans, no revenue. Just think if they would have had the backing of a major corporation, played in front of people and in a baseball stadium—Scary!!
By N8
April 16, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this
BravesFanChris23
Nice post at 10:56.
But you guys (not specifically ragging on you), far too often mistake my sarcasm as negativity.
Are my comments positive reinforcements for the “troops”, if they are reading the blog? Nope. But any blogger that thinks the players are really paying attention to what we are saying, is fooling themselves.
If they are, I hope Bobby reads more than any of them. LOL!
Anyhow, I don’t believe that at ANY point in the 14 games this year, that I’ve made a statement saying WE’RE DONE…or season over.
Simply, because it’s not, and we’re not.
But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist, to realize that if our injury issues don’t go away, or if somebody doesn’t STEP UP and play some ball (not specifically pointing fingers at any individuals - but SOMEBODY has to do something, right?), this season will not end out being better than it looks right now.
If that’s not me, being Mr. Obvious, I’m not sure what is.
I’ve been known to be “unoriginal” before, so don’t take my word for it.
By Mark Redman
April 17, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this
All your base are belong to us.
By TennesseePaul
April 17, 2008 12:01 AM | Link to this
Walk off HR with how bad this team is playing? Absolutely. But not hitting a HR that brings the team within a run.
Oh come off it Nathan. Getting the team to a 1-run deficit by a single stroke is something to throw the bat over this season. It might as well have been a walk off homer. This team makes an art of lossing by a run and Yunel stepped up to the plate and painted his stroke on the canvas. They can all rest soundly knowing the expected win/loss column isn’t going to look as bad as the actual win/loss column. And they owed it all to Yunel.
Flip that bat Yunel. Keep it up. Next time point to a camera for all of us at home too while your at it. If it causes some beaming, bench clearing brawls, head hunting, or whatever, at least we’ll have some more entertainment while the team shuffles through April.
By Chop Chop
April 17, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this
N8,
You don’t have to explain to us how/why you view the team the way you do. That would cut down on like, oh, half of your posts or something. Just be sarcastic and stuff.
Word.
By Lou Vales
April 17, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this
Dear David, By the way nice to hear “Hampton threw off of a mound”—Very Impressive. I’m happy for him.
I just thought of something there is a two word expression used in America—I find it rather vile—for individuals who collect checks while not performing any work. Usually this expression—starting with W—refers to people receiving miniscule amounts of money. I wonder if there is an appropriate expression in corporate America—remember they keep telling us baseball is a business—for a person receiving MILLIONS over a period of years and NEVER performing the work they were contracted for??
By N8
April 17, 2008 12:12 AM | Link to this
In my last post, I stated:
“But you guys (not specifically ragging on you), far too often mistake my sarcasm as negativity.”
Let me re-phrase that. My overly NEGATIVE posts are generally a product of heavy sarcasm.
I go into every game (whether last year listening on mlbradio and “watching” on mlb-gameday), or this year watching on the Extra Innings package, with the “hope” that tonight is the night that we turn it around.
I’m the ultimate optimist. Most of the time I believe (right along with the homers), that we are one well played game away from turning the corner.
Yet, just like last year (and in 2006), that game NEVER seems to come. And if it seemingly does occasionally arrive, god forbid it be followed by a second game, or even a third to create a ………GASP!…..winning streak.
I have the same thoughts and hope as most of you, I just choose to not post it, because that’s not my nature. It’s WAY easier to expect failure and JOKE about it, than to sit on the edge of your seat, waiting for the team to play up to their “alleged” ability.
THAT is frustrating, IMO. Thus the sarcasm. Call it a defense mechanism, so I don’t actually get mad.
I stopped getting angry at this team years ago. I’m numb to the results, until things change.
By Drummerdad
April 17, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this
Hi there. I read the postings in here from time to time but haven’t had time to blog in a while. Looked at the standings after tonight’s loss and noticed that the Braves are second from bottom in won-loss percentage right now in the National league. There were some prognosticators during Spring Training who said the Braves were back. I didn’t see it then and don’t see it now. Seems to me they’re either old, injury riddled, or inconsistent. This strikes me as being their 4th year of mediocrity. Even though they won the division in ‘05 with the “Baby Braves”, they overachieved and ran on a lot of adrenaline. They typically start slow and there is plenty of time for a turnaround, but this team looks mediocre to me. Very similar to the teams of the last 2 years. Seems like they need to forget the talk of “they’re back” and just go have fun and pursue playing good besa-ball. These guys fail looking like they think they’re supposed to win. They won during the glory years when players like Lemke, Justice, Olsen, and the Pitchers just went after playing good ball. That’s my opinion and I’m not an expert. Didn’t even stay in the Holiday Inn Express last night. Ciao.
By N8
April 17, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this
TennesseePaul
Nice. Well done.
Chop Chop
Fair enough. But I think I’m the unsung “hero/martyr” for the Braves, with my rants on this blog.
If it weren’t for people ragging on me and my plagiarism of the Marlins Announcers, that absorbs some of the negativity that might be spewed at the Braves.
As Nick Burns “the Company’s Computer Guy” would say…….YOU’RE WEEEEELCOME!!
By uga-brave
April 17, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this
if hudson is hurt i defer to bravesdave. time to que up dandy don meredith.
at what point was frank wren convinced this bench was adequate. even with infante it still needed another veteran.
we traded away aybar, could of had morgan ensberg, and made no attempt to sign any veterans.
payroll constaints are really starting to show. no experience on the bench, or in the pen. sans soriano and ohman the pen all makes at or near the minimum. ditto for the bench.
note to liberty media’s mouthpiece, it is kinda hard to shoot down planes with spitwads.
still find it disturbing that the braves would never disclose the amount of money they got back from the insurance on hampton.
bring up anderson and brandon jones.
give anderson a shot in center and platoon jones in left with diaz.
at least that way you have a vet for late game situations.
really anderson and jones, could not do any worse and they might be a spark.
By Mark in PA
April 17, 2008 12:24 AM | Link to this
Come on, N8. Your sarcasm (and mine, and to the same post) IS negativity. Hey, I love ‘em too—but there’s a lot going on with this team to be down about. If you’re ‘keepin it real,’ and things are really negative, then there’s no shame in being negative.
Now, when you’re picking their eyes out during a 15 game win streak, well, then I might recommend some happy thoughts… but we’re not there. (Yet.)
By kev
April 17, 2008 12:28 AM | Link to this
I think we’re just about scr*wed.
agree? disagree?
By N8
April 17, 2008 12:38 AM | Link to this
Mark in PA
“Come on, N8. Your sarcasm (and mine, and to the same post) IS negativity.”
Hey. I’m not denying I’m negative. But my sarcastic negativity, along with stating nothing more than the obvious, is VERY different from the guys saying that the season is over.
If the season is over, I’ll have NOTHING to whine about, along with the fact that I will have apparently wasted $160.00 on the Extra Innings package.
“If you’re ‘keepin it real,’ and things are really negative, then there’s no shame in being negative.”
Totally agree.
“Now, when you’re picking their eyes out during a 15 game win streak, well, then I might recommend some happy thoughts… but we’re not there. (Yet.)”
Two things. This team will NOT have a 15 game winning streak if Moylan is done for the year. Mark it down.
Also, anybody who knows my posting tendencies, knows that I wouldn’t rag on them during a 15 game winning streak if it were to happen. I have NEVER been afraid to apologize to a player I ragged on or doubted.
The problem is, that since I’ve started blogging (June of 2006), this team has not even come CLOSE to a 15 game winning streak. So it will just have to be a surprise when it does happen. LOL!
By Supes
April 17, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this
Who else here thinks N8 should have his own blog? Kind of like an anti-DOB blog…it’ll sure be entertaining, more so than watching the Braves struggle to lose these 1 run games.
By yunel is the man
April 17, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this
n8 on your 12:12 I can see what your saying, that being said I will leave it alone. I do like what TennesseePaul said on his 12:01, like I said, bring back the swagger…… thats what this team is missing and needs. I guess I need to fly to Atlanta go to another game or 2 and bring a 10’ x 30’ banner saying “Bring Back The Swagger” and put it next to the “Escobar Cartel” banner.
By chop-chop-chop-a-roo
April 17, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this
knowing how things are going for this team right now, i wouldnt be surprised (but DEEPLY disappointed) if Tim Hudson wakes up tomorrow morning with a bum arm, John Smoltz has shoulder problems, Peter Moylan has to have surgery, Tom Glavine pulls his hamstring getting out of his bed, and Mike Hampton strains his forearm brushing his teeth.
…sigh…
By matt
April 17, 2008 12:49 AM | Link to this
Regarding Hudson’s velocity (and maybe someone else pointed this out). I went back and watched some of the game and it looked like he was primarily working between 88-90 and touching 91 with his fastball. That’s down a little, but not dramatically and might be easier explained by a simple “Dead arm.” Not saying there isn’t something to this, but I’m going to sleep better.
By Chop Chop
April 17, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this
Damn, N8. You’ve only been blogging here since June of ‘06? That makes me feel old.
By Mark in PA
April 17, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this
N8—Our posts crossed in the night- My 12:24 was directed toward your 12:12, but you clarified it before mine posted. Seemed like piling on, but it was an accident.
By HP
April 17, 2008 1:01 AM | Link to this
Folks, if Tex does not sign with us for next year, look for this Cuban defector Barbaro Canizares to get a chance to start fist base next year. Right now he is hitting the ball pretty well at Richmond. His this season stats are: .438 AVG 3 HR 12 RBI 1.200 OPS in 13 games played.
By uga-brave
April 17, 2008 1:01 AM | Link to this
k.j. has scored 5 runs and has an .ops of .650 hitting in front of escobar and hoss.
diaz has scored 2 runs (drove himself home once) and has a .ops of .610. he has not walked and has one double. not exactly what you would expect out of a corner outfielder.
kotsay is hitting .220 .651 .ops and has 3 rbi. might need to remove stop from gap and just say gap.
the braves have three, three stolen bases as a team.
when a third of your team is producing like that is there any wonder why they are 0-7 in one run games.
but then again we have been facing some of the best pitching in the N.L.
By Latest on Hampton
April 17, 2008 1:07 AM | Link to this
Mike Hampton was able to eat a simulated salad today. He was able to move his simulated fork freely from his plate to his mouth. He reported no soreness in his wrist or fingers afterwards. He passed on simulated desert. “I don’t want to push it this early in the season” he said.
By uga-brave
April 17, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this
n8,
no need to defend yourself, if others cannot see it they are watching a different game.
the only thing i ever take offense to is criticism directed at #6.
this is not cox’s fault, he is trying to play poker with a 2 and a 7 as his hole cards.
to use a golf analogy, if their is one problem with your swing then it can be corrected. if there are three problems, you might want to consider tennis.
By Mark in PA
April 17, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this
DOB—really, with the luck they’re having, you should ask someone about the ‘roo nads. If they left them behind at Dark Star, they should get them back (or relace them) ASAP. If they still have them, an excorcizing destruction ceremony might undo whatever curse they are under. Before they leave Florida.
By Mark in PA
April 17, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this
DOB—really, with the luck they’re having, you should ask someone about the ‘roo nads. If they left them behind at Dark Star, they should get them back (or relace them) ASAP. If they still have them, an excorcizing destruction ceremony might undo whatever curse they are under. Before they leave Florida.
By David O'Brien
April 17, 2008 1:20 AM | Link to this
Latest on Hampton: That was funny.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)
April 17, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this
Hey guys, the first three or four one run losses were kind of funny.
But we are now 0-7 in one run affairs.
It’s not even remotely humorous.
When the Florida Marlins have one fifth the payroll of the Braves and one very big ugly stick off the bench in Luis Gonzalez, while the Braves have no such weapon, something is very wrong.
Tim Hudson? I’m not even going to contemplate what his dead arm means.
Jeff Bennett has had two consecutive bad outings adding to the bullpens misery.
Kelly Johnson and Mark Teixiera are not hitting on all cylinders. Until they do, this offense will continue to spit and sputter like an out of tune engine.
Why is Brayan Pena still on this team, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ?
I shall repeat myself, it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
And yes, I still believe this team when healthy is capable of reaching the playoffs.
By scott boras
April 17, 2008 1:30 AM | Link to this
DOB, do you feel certain about the information you recieved from clubhouse about hudson. Is there a worry about his drop off?
By Double Deuce
April 17, 2008 1:50 AM | Link to this
++Lou Vales++ I wonder if you would feel the same if Mike Hampton were your son. I doubt it. And for the record, Hampton could not give back a penny of the contract owed him because the MLBPA would intervene. It’s not allowed. And lastly, if you knew Mike Hampton you would know it hurts him to not be able to pitch. It’s been well documented here the type of guy Mike is. He would play if he could. Period
By Dan
April 17, 2008 2:02 AM | Link to this
NO one mentioned the fact that BC didn’t pinch hit for kotsay in the 8th….lefty on lefty with a right handed hitter….AGAIN freddie G. pinch hit his #3 hitter the night before…but god forbid BC pinch hits for kotsay who’s batting a whole 200 in the 8th inning…and replaces him with blanco in the 9th in CF. another thing ….9th inning umpire called that (way) outside pitch to KJ a strike and BC was barking in the dugout…instead of coming out and showing some fire. BC please go away. I SWEAR i’m only 32 years old….but BC will out live me….i see it coming already….that old shhhhhht is gonna get a golf cart type cruiser, get a ramp built in the dugout and stroll to the mound to make a pitching change…mental picture going through my mind as i type this…UNREAL.
By Bobby's Cox
April 17, 2008 2:28 AM | Link to this
Braveheart
Your 10:14 post is the best post i’ve ever read on this blog. I agree. I’m not for showboating, but i think Escobar is sick of losing and was trying to get the team fired up, even if it meant getting beaned next time up. I was glad when i heard what he did. HOWEVER, Freddie Gonzalez was too smart. Why would you want to get this braves team fired up by retaliating while they’re so low? Good lay down Freddie. He truly is a good manager.
Frenchy needs to stay off the golf course. He’s trying to be a star like his elder friends & hit bombs with every swing. When i started playing golf i had shoulder issues. Frenchy’s arm looks terrible lately. In fact he just looks terrible in general. Looks stiff, runs like a robot, and has no leaping ability like on that homer his way tonight.
Just some thoughts.
It’s nice to see that some of you are starting to realize we need anderson up here hitting leadoff like i’ve been saying for 2 weeks now. This team needs a leadoff hitter. Rather would keep diaz in left because of his bat and bench Kotsay and KJ. KJ just sucks. YUP I SAID IT. SUCKS. So does Kotsay. Why we traded for him is beyond my belief. Get off KJ’s jock everyone. Trade him for relief. Get rid of corky and bring up Spiezio. We could use his playoff baseball experience and his bat off the bench while Pena is our backup catcher. Not too bad a bench with Pena, Spiezio, Gotay, Infante, and Blanco/Kotsay. Better than what we have now. Anderson and Prado need to start. You need to realize this. I’ve watched this team for so long, i know their patterns, their behaviors, i know what they need. I saw this offense’s true colors 2 years ago. Man it sucks knowing what can help but not having a say.
I think it’s time for one of cox’s midseason clubhouse meetings. Maybe even an ejection. Dirt needs to be kicked, cooler’s batted, and tempers flyin’. It’s long overdue.
By Dave in Arizona
April 17, 2008 2:28 AM | Link to this
I’ve loved baseball all my life and go back to the Aaron/Niekro/Evans days. I went to helmet day in Atlanta Stadium in 1969, and this year, the team’s road caps are replicating that time.
When I was a kid, I took every loss personally. I had to root for the Braves by listening to Dodger games on the coast for scores. I rooted long after they were out of the race, which was usually right after the All Star break.
Now, I’m a grandfather and I still root for my guys, but it isn’t the end of the world when they lose or just aren’t that good.
How can anything be worse than 1991 or 1996? I’d rather know my team was crummy early in the year than have those types of heartwrenching disasters lingering on for years. I still grit my teeth at the mention of Charlie Leibrandt, Lonnie Smith, Mark Wohlers, or Eric Gregg.
The Braves haven’t been in a WS since 1999 and they got swept then. The run is over. Our relief pitching is worse than terrible. Our offense is slow and anemic. Our manager thinks three run homers are playing small ball, because he isn’t waiting for a grand slam.
But it’s baseball. It’s fun. It’s good. Those of you that want to root and hope for something great to happen, more power to you.
By Moby Grape
April 17, 2008 2:46 AM | Link to this
Oh wait…there IS such a wondrous thing! It’s a little thing I like to call the “stolen base.”
So, call up Anderson, slot him to hit leadoff, and play him in left field. You jumpstart your currently anemic offense, you give yourself a way to manufacture runs in tight games, sALTYWOODY
yep them stolen bases are sure wondrous thangs. so much so that the Mets stole over 3 times as many last season as the Braves did and were still outscored by them… on top of which Anderson’s OBP in a full season in the bigs will likely be so low as to preclude him from stealing very many anyway. Just what we need a hitter with a .320 OBP leading off.
By BA
April 17, 2008 2:49 AM | Link to this
Bad news for ya there, Cox: Spiezio was already released. Heard something about showing up with the shakes? He must’ve spent too much time in LaRussa’s office. They should go in together and open a cab company for sleepy drunken drivers.
By BA
April 17, 2008 3:06 AM | Link to this
Dave in Arizona, that was a beautiful blog, but so painful. Lonnie Smith…WHY?! Like I said the other day, if Otis Nixon stays clean that year, we win that world series. He would NOT have been STANDING out there between second and third, he would’ve been standing on home plate because that dude could FLY! As far as old Charlie Leibrandt, look at it this way: Glavine’s going to the hall. He’s a forty year old starter, throwing slop. If you put HIM in a world series game, in relief, against KIRBY PUCKETT…well, you get my drift.
By yunel is the man
April 17, 2008 3:08 AM | Link to this
Great post..Bobby’s Cox
By Bobby's Cox
April 17, 2008 3:13 AM | Link to this
We released spiezio? Oh brother. Babe ruth was a drunk, but could hit. Spiezio is no babe ruth (lol, i just compared spiezio to ruth), but he can drink all he wants if he hits .300 off the bench. I think i’m dillusional at this point watching my braves the way they are when i write that statement. But the answers to solving this team’s problems are dwindling.
Huddy’s dead arm is scary, Moylan is probably done since they’re delaying the news, Soriano is probably done too with lingering elbow issues. Smoltz is gonna pitch 30 games with a bum shoulder. Glavine outta shape, showing age, & can’t go 6 without giving up at least 3 runs which this offense can’t support. No fifth starter. No pen, and hitters that have NO CLUE at the plate.
This sounds like the worst team in baseball. Things can only get better from here. Let’s see Anderson & Prado play. I’ll even like to see a platoon of Diaz with Blanco and i was a huge supporter of diaz playing everyday.
Hit and run. Steal some bases. Start playing like you’re trying to win. Even if we attempt 6 stolen bases tomorrow and get thrown out all 6 times i’ll be happy. If we try to hit & run 5 times and hit into line drive double plays i’ll be happy. At least show some emotion and effort to try to win.
By Bobby's Cox
April 17, 2008 3:21 AM | Link to this
DOB DOB
You mentioned here a few times you have players phone numbers. Can you do some investigative work and call Yates to see if our pitching coach was the cause for his problems here, or if Pittburg’s pitching coach solved his problems?
It’s hard for me to believe that a guy that struggled so much last year, so much this spring to even admit that he pitched himself out of a job, suddenly is pitching so well. I was one that wanted Yates out of Atlanta, but seeing his success as a Pirate (9IP, 1.0 ERA, 1.00 WHIP) has me stratching my head. It’s gotta be McDowell. I’ve heard people rave on hear about Richmond’s pitching coach. Couldn’t we promote him to the big club?
By Tim Hudson
April 17, 2008 3:26 AM | Link to this
After this awful night, I come home, and the stinkin’ AJC has spelled my name “Hudsoin”. Man, AJC, give me some love!
By Tim Hudson
April 17, 2008 3:30 AM | Link to this
By the way, DOB, have you heard anything about Phil Stockman? If you have, just post the link for me here on the blog. Thanks, DOB- you’re the best!
By cherokee
April 17, 2008 3:37 AM | Link to this
Heard the expression all my life but never really analyzed it’s origins. But your logic seems dead on!
So piddlefart it is!
I missed the first post so maybe this is a bowel joke, but the term is really fiddle fart.enjoy the music
By BA
April 17, 2008 3:58 AM | Link to this
The theme on the Braves index page seems to be “PANIC”. They might make a trade for relief pitching. They might need to make a move for a starter. But who’s making deals right now? EVERYBODY thinks they are in the race this year. Who’s that desperate? San Fransisco? You might could sucker Sabean, but those starters are YOUNG. The Braves are going to have to suck it up and get through this. Glavine will start and go six on Saturday, guaranteed. Smoltz WILL dominate tomorrow and it will HURT- guaranteed. On Friday, well, did you hear about Hampton?!
By BA
April 17, 2008 4:10 AM | Link to this
I’ll pre-empt this by stating up front: I know you guys KILL with the anti-stolen base stats. However, I’m a throwback, way back before ‘roids in MLB, and I LOVE speed and basestealing. How great would it be if MLB really is clean and baseball reverts back to the eighties type speed game. Not all teams, but more than now. And not this year with the Braves, it’s just not practical.
I know I’m in the minority. But you have to admit it would be a blast to see more teams with two or three guys that have perpetual green lights and steal bases at a high percentage clip. It’s like “Nellie ball” in the NBA, it reaks havoc on the opposing defense.
By cherokee
April 17, 2008 4:19 AM | Link to this
But I just don’t understand the negativaty DURING the game. Fair play before or after, there’s a lot of things up for debate at the moment, that’s true. But I think the sarcasm and ‘down’ talk during the game takes away a big part of the fun in the game.Dutchie
This will draw a lot of ire I’m sure, but I think many of the posters that go ape during the game are guys that are spoiled from all that winning and think just because it’s the Braves that they are always going to win. Many grew up thinking the Braves will never lose after 14 years of success. They just can’t wrap their minds around the fact that there is nothing special about this team any more.Just another basically average team amassing average results for over two years now and likely to continue into the foreseeable future the same way.
By Moby Grape
April 17, 2008 4:43 AM | Link to this
i think lefties are especially tough because chipper just isnt the same hitter from the right side Tomas
as a RHer Chipper is hitting .478/.500/.609 all numbers better than as a LHer, so that does not really pertain this season so far.
By nolie
April 17, 2008 5:02 AM | Link to this
i think lefties are especially tough because chipper just isnt the same hitter from the right side ETC N8
and I’m down to seeds and stems again too
By LOST BRAVE
April 17, 2008 5:04 AM | Link to this
YOU KNOW I KINDA HATE TO SAY THIS AS A FAN BUT,WITH THE MONEY THE TEAM HAS WASTED ON HAMPTON,AND GLAVINE, BOTH WHO ARE CLEARLY OVER THE HILL WE MIGHT JUST HAVE GOTTEN TO KEEP OUR CENTER-FIELDER,AND MAYBBE TEX. AT FIRST BASE?SMOLTZE GOT TO TRAIN ON HIS ON AND LOOK AT THE KNOT ON HIS SHOLDER?SPRING-TRANING USE TO BE ABOUT THE PLAYER’S GETTING IN SHAPE FOR THE SEASON, NOT GETTING IN SHAPE FOR PLAYING GOLF,OR FISHING ANYONE REMEMBER WHEN LEO WAS HERE HE HARDLY EVER HAD MORE THAN ONE PITHER ON THE D.L. A YEAR?REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS ABLE TO DO WITH PAUL BYRD?JUST TO NAME ONE. BUT THE PITCHERS DID NOT LIKE THE WAY LEO WOULD GET IN THEIR FACE AND DEMAND THEY TRAIN AND DO THEIR JOB’S.AND OF COURSE BOBBY’S BIG EGO,GOT IN THE WAY.HE IS NOT GOING TO RETIRE, CAUSE HE KNOW’S NO OTHER TEAM IS GOING TO HIRE HIM.ONLY ONE CHAMPIONSHIP IN FOURTEEN YEARS, WITH THE BEST PITCHING IN ALL OF BASEBALL,NO OTHER TEAM WOULD PUT UP WITH THOSE RESULTS,BUT IN ATLANTA HE IS A GOD, THE GREAT BOBBY COX CAN DO NO WRONG ACCORDING TO THE ATLANTA NEWS MEDIA, NOTICED J.S. GOT OUT OF THE FIRING LINE. OH BY THE WAY THE WAY THE TEAM IS BEING RUN RIGHT NOW DON’T ANYONE BE SURPRISED AS SOON AS 2011 WHEN THE BRAVES CAN MOVE WATCH JUST HOW FAST THEY DEMAND SOMETHING REDICULIOUS, AS AN EXCUSE TO LEAVE US.
By LOST BRAVE
April 17, 2008 5:04 AM | Link to this
YOU KNOW I KINDA HATE TO SAY THIS AS A FAN BUT,WITH THE MONEY THE TEAM HAS WASTED ON HAMPTON,AND GLAVINE, BOTH WHO ARE CLEARLY OVER THE HILL WE MIGHT JUST HAVE GOTTEN TO KEEP OUR CENTER-FIELDER,AND MAYBBE TEX. AT FIRST BASE?SMOLTZE GOT TO TRAIN ON HIS ON AND LOOK AT THE KNOT ON HIS SHOLDER?SPRING-TRANING USE TO BE ABOUT THE PLAYER’S GETTING IN SHAPE FOR THE SEASON, NOT GETTING IN SHAPE FOR PLAYING GOLF,OR FISHING ANYONE REMEMBER WHEN LEO WAS HERE HE HARDLY EVER HAD MORE THAN ONE PITHER ON THE D.L. A YEAR?REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS ABLE TO DO WITH PAUL BYRD?JUST TO NAME ONE. BUT THE PITCHERS DID NOT LIKE THE WAY LEO WOULD GET IN THEIR FACE AND DEMAND THEY TRAIN AND DO THEIR JOB’S.AND OF COURSE BOBBY’S BIG EGO,GOT IN THE WAY.HE IS NOT GOING TO RETIRE, CAUSE HE KNOW’S NO OTHER TEAM IS GOING TO HIRE HIM.ONLY ONE CHAMPIONSHIP IN FOURTEEN YEARS, WITH THE BEST PITCHING IN ALL OF BASEBALL,NO OTHER TEAM WOULD PUT UP WITH THOSE RESULTS,BUT IN ATLANTA HE IS A GOD, THE GREAT BOBBY COX CAN DO NO WRONG ACCORDING TO THE ATLANTA NEWS MEDIA, NOTICED J.S. GOT OUT OF THE FIRING LINE. OH BY THE WAY THE WAY THE TEAM IS BEING RUN RIGHT NOW DON’T ANYONE BE SURPRISED AS SOON AS 2011 WHEN THE BRAVES CAN MOVE WATCH JUST HOW FAST THEY DEMAND SOMETHING REDICULIOUS, AS AN EXCUSE TO LEAVE US.
By Bobby's Cox rings
April 17, 2008 5:11 AM | Link to this
“Lost Brave” sounds like he has daddy issues.
By JohnGTfan
April 17, 2008 6:48 AM | Link to this
Let’s all be honest…yes, it’s early in the season. But the current team is mediocre at best. With the current roster, ATL will finish no better than 3rd in the NL East. But I remain optimistic…just not this season. Next year, ATL will have tons of salary space losing Hampton and Tex(who I think will be traded by the deadline). The Braves will have a huge opportunity to bring in some key free agents and lock up some good young talent already here.
By nolie
April 17, 2008 7:33 AM | Link to this
N8 *April 17, 2008 5:02 AM | Link to this
i think lefties are especially tough because chipper just isnt the same hitter from the right side ETC N8*
and I’m down to seeds and stems again too
I know that you did not post this. I was responding to Moby Grape but I was thinking of something you had posted earlier and typed in your name. looks like I had a wee bit of something besides seeds and stems left.
By Bravesfan79
April 17, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this
I say we trade for a Co-Ace to go with Hudson. (How about Oslwalt, or one of the A’s pitchers?)
And stick Smoltz in the bullpen for now. If it was the playoffs id rather see him as a starter, but i think in the regular season hed be more help to us in the 9th and 10th inning of games than going 4 or 5 innings every 6 days. You dont think hed help our record in 1 run games in the pen??
LOSTBRAVE: What are you talking about, if Smotz had done like everyone else his shoulder would of been hurting coming out of spring training! Forreal tho I think Smoltz would be more help (at least till after the all star break) in the bullpen for now. At least until we get some of our pen guys healthy. And perhaps that would help save his arm as well. (provided cox didnt decide to pitch him in games were winning by 3+ runs)
All i know is i hope Bobby does something to spark this team…….if were not carefull were gonna have to catch fire just to get back to a few games over .500
I say call up Anderson, and make some bullpen changes. SOMETHING!!
By Runnin'
April 17, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this
YOU KNOW I KINDA HATE TO SAY THIS AS A FAN BUT
Then DONT!
Moylan, what’s the word???
By anti-brave
April 17, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this
another one run loss. are we laughing yet? i haven’t had this much fun since the great chipper-smoltz injury feud of ‘07!
By bcoxman
April 17, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
You people don’t know a thing about baseball. It is only the middle of April and some of you are writing off the season. The manager is only as good as the talent he has on the roster. The bullpen is hurting right now. The Marlins are a bunch of no-names, but they have a solid lineup and a strong bullpen. Freddi isn’t all that - please people chill. Bobby is still the man.
By bcoxman
April 17, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this
You people don’t know a thing about baseball. It is only the middle of April and some of you are writing off the season. The manager is only as good as the talent he has on the roster. The bullpen is hurting right now. The Marlins are a bunch of no-names, but they have a solid lineup and a strong bullpen. Freddi isn’t all that - please people chill. Bobby is still the man.
By Shaun
April 17, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
You mentioned here a few times you have players phone numbers. Can you do some investigative work and call Yates to see if our pitching coach was the cause for his problems here, or if Pittburg’s pitching coach solved his problems?
It’s hard for me to believe that a guy that struggled so much last year, so much this spring to even admit that he pitched himself out of a job, suddenly is pitching so well. I was one that wanted Yates out of Atlanta, but seeing his success as a Pirate (9IP, 1.0 ERA, 1.00 WHIP) has me stratching my head. It’s gotta be McDowell. I’ve heard people rave on hear about Richmond’s pitching coach. Couldn’t we promote him to the big club?
Umm…maybe you haven’t looked at what Yates did before he got to Atlanta. I’m amazed that the Braves got what they got out of him.
And maybe you are looking at that 9 IP wrong. That’s 9 IP not 90 IP. Give him some time and he’ll show you that he is Tyler Yates.
In fact, look at his last four outings—2 walks and no strikeouts. That’s going to come back to haunt him. And look at his batting average allowed on balls in the field of play—.130. Eventually a good portion of those balls are going to find holes and gaps.
By Braveheart
April 17, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
Looks like Nollie had a nice little side order of some real sticky icky with his fried chicken last night.
By LivininAL
April 17, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
Im a Braves Fan…But they Suck right now!! Go Braves!!…Just thinking if Larry Bowa were manager ..Think he would have been arrested for assaulting a player by now?.
By Efrim
April 17, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Gotta be a little concerned about Tim Hudson, considering this teams bad luck with pitchers this season. I am not saying the guy is hurt, but an unexpected drop in velocity with no explanation is a little troubling. If he gets hit hard against the Nats and his fastball is sitting in the 85 mph range, then it’s probably time to start freaking out. Could you imagine if Hudson had a serious arm injury that kept him out this year and possibly into next year? The thought makes me sick.
Anyway, hopefully Smoltz can end this 3 game skid. It would be nice if the bats came alive against the Dodgers this weekend. My feeling is that we will probably need them.
Blaine Boyer looked good again last night. That is a positive. I’ll reserve judgement on Jorge Campillo until I see him more. Good move by BC to notice Huddy didn’t have it, make the move to Campillo and keep us in the game.
By ukuga
April 17, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this
You people don’t know a thing about baseball. It is only the middle of April and some of you are writing off the season. The manager is only as good as the talent he has on the roster. The bullpen is hurting right now. The Marlins are a bunch of no-names, but they have a solid lineup and a strong bullpen. Freddi isn’t all that - please people chill. Bobby is still the man.
These are my favorites. I disergree with you so you don’t know nuthin’!
By Shaun
April 17, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
Yes, another one-run loss…in a game that could have easily been a three-run defeat.
By David O'Brien
April 17, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
Runnin’, as in most things baseball, wouldn’t expect an AM announcement on Moylan. But you never know. I’ll ask again, soon as people wake up.
By Lou Vales
April 17, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
I’m so glad to hear that Hampton feels regret in being paid for doing nothing. Do you know ANYBODY who would not feel bad about being paid for doing nothing—besides Brirrany Spears’ former husband?? I understand the Players Association precludes Hampton foregoing any salary, does it also prevent him from stepping up and saying something along the lines of—“You know I realize I have been paid more than all the cancer researchers in America for basically, well not really basically but for doing nothing. I wish to apoligize to the Braves organization and its fans publicly for my lack of performance”.
And anyone DUMB enough to pay that fat lefthander currently employed by Cleveland would probably be shopping for condos in South Florida.
By Lou Vales
April 17, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
I’m so glad to hear that Hampton feels regret in being paid for doing nothing. Do you know ANYBODY who would not feel bad about being paid for doing nothing—besides Brirrany Spears’ former husband?? I understand the Players Association precludes Hampton foregoing any salary, does it also prevent him from stepping up and saying something along the lines of—“You know I realize I have been paid more than all the cancer researchers in America for basically, well not really basically but for doing nothing. I wish to apoligize to the Braves organization and its fans publicly for my lack of performance”.
And anyone DUMB enough to pay that fat lefthander currently employed by Cleveland would probably be shopping for condos in South Florida.
By David O'Brien
April 17, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
Lostbrave: Thank you for putting THE WORST POST OF THE YEAR in all caps, so it wouldn’t be missed.
By Efrim
April 17, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
Shaun
Yes, another one-run loss…in a game that could have easily been a three-run defeat.
Now, I agree with you, one-run losses are mostly luck. But saying that “it could have easily been a three run defeat” doesn’t change the fact that they lost by one-run…again. It isn’t good for our young players that this continues, as DOB said a few blogs back when the team was 0-4 in one-run games. They might start pressing in those late and close situations.
By flange1
April 17, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
DOB,
I know this is a stupid question, but what is the feeling in the club house? Are the guys upset or frustrated or just another day at the office?
By Thrillhouse44
April 17, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
Good point at 8:47, Shaun. Not many people have mentioned the fight the Braves put in just to make it a game.
By DCbrave
April 17, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
Gotta be a little concerned about Tim Hudson, considering this teams bad luck with pitchers this season. By Efrim
Maybe it’s time to wonder if it’s just bad luck, given what’s happened last year, the year before that. One cannot help wondering ….
By David O'Brien
April 17, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this
Tomahawkin, you took the bet on the wrong series. I didn’t exactly call this one correctly, huh?
By DCbrave
April 17, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Lost Brave
You are LOST indeed, man!! Get a grip.
By nolie
April 17, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
Looks like Nollie had a nice little side order of some real sticky icky with his fried chicken last night.N8 NO reallyBraveheart
I’ takin’ the 5th on the advice of my lawyer
By David O'Brien
April 17, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
It’s early, but I hope someone took the tip on Ethier and got him for cheap in your fantasy league…. He’s hitting .308 with two homers and 11 RBI.
By Runnin'
April 17, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
DOB said Runnin’, as in most things baseball, wouldn’t expect an AM announcement on Moylan. But you never know. I’ll ask again, soon as people wake up.
Seems like if they had good news, they’d want to get it out asap. Dang, Roger has had terrible luck so far with the Braves.
By Big Easy
April 17, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
You know, I know that we are less than a tenth into the season, and by no means am I throwing in the towel, but this team does need something.
After the brutal trip to Denver, we were set up perfectly to get back on track against the Nats and Fish and assert our dominance in the East. Well, we took 2 of 3 from the Nats…not bad. Good start. But, now we are down 0-2 to the Fish, and the injury bug just keeps stinging. It is starting to get very worrisome. You can’t really panic after 14 games, but trends do start forming. 0-7 in one run games is a trend, small sample size or not.
A positive is that we have Smoltz on the mound tonight. That should bode well for us. Hopefully the bats will awaken and we can take some momentum back to the Ted, and start playing good baseball again.
~E~
By Ace350bm
April 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
After reading that Hudson’s fastball was only in the mid-80’s, I’m worried! It’s eerily similar to what happened with Mike Gonzalez last year. Everything seemed to be fine and then suddenly one game his velocity dropped and his arm felt dead but wasn’t hurting.
By nolie
April 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
DOB
Ok, Hayes Carll makes two that you’ve mentioned that I really like.Well maybe three since I liked Mike Ness fairly good too. Found 350 blues Cds out in the garage that I hadn’t ripped to the computer yet.Lotta old guys in this batch. Muddy,the Wolf, John Lee, Fenton Robinson, Willie Dixon etc.and a buncha John Mayall. With these newer ‘puters it don’t hardly take any time at all to rip a CD anymore.BTW have you ever taken in a Nighthawks show while up in D.C.? Thanx. I’ll keep tryin’ the ones you recommend.
By Efrim
April 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
DOB
I got him in the last round of one of my leagues and he is starting for me right now. Kid has a good eye at the plate as well.
By Turfman
April 17, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
man i dont know about yall but i completely frustrated right now with the way things are going. i have faith that things will turn around, i just have a bad feeling about Huddy. let s keep our fingers crossed and he hope he was just tired from having the flu. plus when is Tex going to stop flying out?
DOB what is the mood of the clubhouse? they cant be happy about the way things are going. Diaz said it best, this is a trip from hell. lets just get back home and face the dodgers, hopefully A.Jones will be in the lineup, we all know we can get him on a curve ball down and away
By tkg
April 17, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
I took the Ethier tip in both leagues I’m in DOB. Been fortunate he hasn’t been the odd man out in the platoon with Pierre. I’ve been surprised Torre’s platooning Pierre with Matt Kemp. Drafting Ethier will look really good if Andruw keeps hitting the weight of one of the Olsen twins.
By Will
April 17, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
This team does not have it this year, period! I dont care that its only mid-April the pitching injuries are already more then they need for the entire season let alone a month. And i am just tickled to hear that Mike Hampton threw successfully yesterday. I dont even know how these guys can say with a straight face that Hampton is looking good. If he makes 5 starts this season i will be beyond shocked!
By dogmeat
April 17, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
Pray for Chief Cox and all his band on Indians to overcome. Maybe Medicine man can get majic juice to heal Chief brain lose, put fire back in bats , get leo back and get new coach to teach hitting..baylor or chambliss. Braves miss war dance on mound and spit fire from crazy indian. we need someone to spit fire amen. Need new brave josh anderson to run LF. Next home game braves give out Nexium at gate, one bottle only. DOB is #1 Man at ajc, thanks for all you do.Now we need more from man in black.
By daxxed
April 17, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
The Braves need to take a step back, next year 2009 no new contracts, Tex..let him go, NO arbitration…let em go….Then bring up all minor players to fill in slots…Save alot of money…2010 with all that save money and now minor players that have proved themselves, play them…fill in the gaps with some lively arms, not ancient arms…Bring Back Mazzoni…Let Smoltz retire and become the Braves pitching scout and then the future pitching coach….
I know it is an early season yet, but if the Braves are to ever return to dominance they need to start over, as they did in 1991…and the Marlins have done…they won a World Series by doing this…
Tex maybe a late starter, but the Braves do not need to waste 20 mil on a late starter, when they can use that 20 mil to get a few more arms…
And the need to learn to play small ball…OH yes the Bunt man is back…
And be it as it may…The Braves could have already won 2 games by just bunting…Oh I know these are major leaguers and they are not paid to bunt…But they are paid to win, at lest I thought that was the object to win, however it takes…
They would at least be 7-7 not 5-9, which by the way they are only one team froom being the cellar dwellers…And look at the Marlins, they have a very small payroll and they are ontop of the Division…Go figure…
By SNIPER-69
April 17, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Funny that some posters here(LEW) talked on and on about the Mets being old and frail. But it’s the braves who seem to be falling apart. Yes, the Mets are dealing with the loss of Pedro and Alou but are getting other players like Pelfrey and Pagan(Home grown I might add)to step up. Getting these players back with just make them stronger.
By Braves20
April 17, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Hudson’s problem last night didn’t seem to be velocity so much as location. Everything was up - even in the seven pitch fist inning.
Right now, he appears to be the least of our worries.
By j-school dropout
April 17, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
DOB:
Bobby has been using the “we hit balls hard right at somebody” defense a lot lately. But my question is this. At this level, aren’t batters supposed to be attempting to aim their shots at the holes? Or is getting a hit really just a matter of chance?
Thanks for the great work on the blog and covering the team.
And to everyone out there, don’t panic. This team will come together and when it does, it will go on a tear. All we need is a few more healthy pitchers and for Tex to warm up and things will start to click.
By flange1
April 17, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
Sniper,
It seems in the last month that all you do is come on the blog and talk trash to Lew. He doesn’t call you out, he just responds to you garbage posts.
What is up with that?
By lynn
April 17, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Last year, before he was disabled, didn’t Gonzalez say he had some sort of weird feeling in his arm when he combing his hair or something? I just remember saying something just didn’t feel right. What I’m getting at is that Hudson hasn’t had anything weird happen that would indicate something’s wrong with his arm. Yeah, his velocity was down a little bit but I don’t think anyone should automatically assume his arm is about to fall off.
By Efrim
April 17, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
SNIPER-69
Pagan is home grown???
By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
April 17, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
DOB, what is the attitude of the team right now? Are they upset about their play? Are they non-chalant? What are they saying about this start to the season?
By Shaun
April 17, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
This team does not have it this year, period! I dont care that its only mid-April the pitching injuries are already more then they need for the entire season let alone a month.
Not to pick on you, but I’m amazed by the arrogance on this blog made apparent by posts like this. I have no idea if the team “has it” this year and neither does anyone else. Could the Braves lose 90 games this season? Sure. Could they win 90? Sure. Could they be an average team? Sure. But for anyone to pretend they know based on half a month just seems extremely arrogant to me. This is all too common in a lot of people. They know things that they really don’t. Did you people making these presumption know that the Rockies had it in early July of last year? Did you know that the Red Sox didn’t have it on July 4, 2006 when they had the third-best record in baseball?
By BobG
April 17, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
Not naming names but all the pitchers around the league will start to lose velocity when they come off the steroids and HGH. Wait and see..
By chase
April 17, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Is it possible that the ASTROS could part with OSWALT? or the A’s with one of their young pitchers?
If so do the Braves have what it takes Money/Players wise to think of those type of trades?
Don’t attack me, I’m just throwing out ideas here!
By Daybed Wagmoe
April 17, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
SNIPER-69: Um, Pagan played for the Cubs the past two season. The Mets drafted him in the ‘99 draft and he played in their farm system from 2000-2005, but then he went to the Cubs for 2006-2007. I don’t know that he could be considered “home-grown” since he spent time with another major league team before playing with the Mets. Not like it really matters, anyway.
And it’s a little hard to judge how well Pagan will perform over a full season since he’s never been a full-time player, but I would guess that he’ll fade as his season goes on. He has a career average of .323 in March/April but doesn’t have an average over .290 in any other month.
By Lew
April 17, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Snipper-Always going to be a douchebag, aren’t you? Not surprising. You’ve had so much practice, your perfection makes sense.
Latest On Hampton-Dude,that was one of the best posts I’ve seen in recent days. Certainly Wurlitzer Worthy. Contact me at LewHartman@comcast.net-real name and address included and I’ll work out your award with you. Simulated Salad-I love it.
Lost Brave-Do us a favor and stay lost-take Snipper with you.
Brittany’s husband does take care of the kids, right?
By Shaun
April 17, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Not naming names but all the pitchers around the league will start to lose velocity when they come off the steroids and HGH. Wait and see..
Another arrogant post by someone who knows things.
By Daybed Wagmoe
April 17, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Hudson’s sudden drop in velocity scares me. It reminds me of when Gonzalez was pitching in Washington last May and couldn’t get his fastball above, what, 83? Yikes. Let’s hope it’s just a freak, one-time thing and he’ll be alright. Sheesh.
By ssiscribe
April 17, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
It’s early, folks. Everybody relax. It’s a long season, as I’ve said countless times. Even a 2-7 roadie doesn’t doom this team, not in the muddlin’ NL East, not in the THIRD week of April.
So, breathe people. Things will get sorted out.
And yes, DOB, I have Ethier on my squad. Very happy I drafted him and not that free-swingin’ fella the Dodgers have roamin’ center field.
Gotta jet.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By Andy K.
April 17, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Oh how quickly things change. A few weeks ago, there was so much talk from all of you that the team was the best ever assembled. Now, in a matter of two weeks, not to mention the first of the long season, the fair weathered fans have shown their true colors. Remember how great you all said Matt Diaz is? While now, you all want to sell him down the river. Remember how you all said Bobby was a genius, and he should be allowed to manage as long as he wants? What happened to that one? It’s no Bobby’s job or TP’s job to hit for these guys either, it’s their own jobs, and it’s not as easy as TP telling Tex, “Go hit a homer.” So in my opinion, you all need to take a step back ,and a deep breath. It’s only two weeks into the season. Remember last year, when we got off to a great start? What happened there? Remember in the nineties, when we got off to horrible starts? What happened there? Calm down everybody, or DOB’s blood pressure could be on the rise!
By SNIPER-69
April 17, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Flange1, You’re right I should layoff Lew. He must be suffering enough when he realizes the braves pitching isn’t as deep as he thought it was and with all those one run lossed the offense isn’t so great either…sorry my bad.
By Brad
April 17, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
The bats will come alive soon. I’m more concerned about the arms. I’ve never seen such a promising rotation and bullpen be damaged in such a short timeframe. Four of our top five starters are injured or otherwise struggling. Our top two relievers are injured, one of them could be season-ending. It’s too soon to look for the towel, though. After this LA series, the next ten games are intradivision. A 7-3 stretch in those games will put us right back in it, but the pitchers have to stay healthy.
By 1957 Braves Fan
April 17, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
I too vote for Josh Anderson. At least get some speed on the bench.
By David O'Brien
April 17, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Flange1, glad you got to know Don at his cash cow of an indie record store (right, Don?).
The vinyl section he’s added recently is outstanding, gives the place even more of a true record-store feel, whether they sell or not.
I was there the other day and noticed his stack of special order stuff. Saw the two Mike Ness CDs and actually asked Don if it was someone from the blog (because we’d discussed Ness at length in the previous few days).
By David O'Brien
April 17, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Many have asked about the clubhouse. I can assure you, there hasn’t been any screwing around or non-chalant attitudes that I’ve witnessed this trip. These guys are upset, disappointed, p’d off at themselves. Really, they are. At least all those I’ve talked to.
I’ll put some of that in a new blog I’m gonna write now.
By doug
April 17, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
At least Hudson can’t hurt himself combing his hair. :-)
By Shaun
April 17, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
chase, Oswalt’s locked up through at least 2011 (with a club option for 2012). I can’t see the Astros trading him unless he’s not worth having anyway or unless they are overwhelmed in a deal for him, which I doubt the Braves are willing to do.
By Section 412
April 17, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Brad - agreed. Not to make it worse, but it’s really our top THREE relievers who are on the DL (Gonzalez included). Incredible stretch of misfortune. If that does not get better, we are going to have a long year. But it’s WAY too early to make that leap and to panic.
By SNIPER-69
April 17, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
I do consider a player that was drafted by a team and played in their organization for over 5 years homegrown. Currently there are seven players on the team that were drafted by the Mets: Wright, Reyes, Smith, Pelfrey, Heilman, Figueroa and Pagan. So much for the Mets not producing any home grown talent. Just another bit of bull—s** that you could only read here on the blog.
By Efrim
April 17, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
These guys are upset, disappointed, p’d off at themselves. Really, they are. At least all those I’ve talked to.
Well, it is only 14 games into the season. Plenty of time, no need to get down on themselves.
By Thrillhouse44
April 17, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
The baseball season is a long one. Teams are going to have hot stretches and cold streaks; it’s part of the game. For every 2-7 streak, there’s going to be 7-2 run. Will all the naysayers come on the blog and claim the Braves are a World Series team when this happens? Seriously, claiming the Braves are done at this point is like claiming it’s going to snow everyday of the year if the ground is white on January 1. Sit back and enjoy the season.
By richbrave
April 17, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
Braves take two of three from Rochester and their overall record is now 9-4.
OFFENSIVE bright spots.
JOSH ANDERSON goes 3-13 with 2 runs scored and 2 rbi. A merely mortal .231. One hit however is an in-the-park home-run. BA now at .339
BRANDON JONES goes 3-11 a steady .273 with 1 run scored and 1 rbi.
BARBARO CANIZARES goes from supernatural to other worldly, batting .545 (6-11), 2 runs scored and 2 rbi. He hits his team-leading third home-run. BA now .438 (21-48). He is the engine that powers the offense. Carpe diem!!
SCOTT THORMAN has awakened from his early batting slumbers and appears heading toward heavenly amends with rightous indignation. He bashed the ball in this three games at a .400(4-10) clip. Along the way he added 2 runs scored and 1 rbi to his season totals.
DEFENSIVE bright spots.
PHIL STOCKMAN in relief goes 3.1 with 0 walks and 4 strike-outs. His line is now 9 IP with 4 H, 2 ER, 4 BB, 11 SO. ERA 2.00 and looking good. A very strong last game. He appears to be rounding into shape.
CHARLES MORTON started his third R-Braves game and was solid in his first win of the season. He went 5.2 in his last two starts, an encouraging sign. His season totals are 16 IP, 12 H, 3 ER, 6 BB, 11 SO with a 1.69 ERA. Best indicators of his relative position at the moment are his hits to innings and BB to SO ratios. Steady, but not yet spectacular.
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By Lew
April 17, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
Snipper-Yeah, whatever. Let me know when the Mets begin to achieve and maybe I’ll be concerned-Phillies, too.
DOB-Don might just be eligible for the first ever Wurlitzer for Taking Care of the Most Diverse Bunch of Musical Needs on One Blog Award. He even does mail orders. Got me my Al Stewart CD’s-who’d have thought this head banger could even listen to something that mellow? Just so y’all know I haven’t lost it completely, he got the ancient Warhorse CD’s, too.
Shaun-Re: your 10:32 post-For once we are in total agreement. I’m really getting tired of hearing how everything negative in baseball is because of juicing.
By Original Jon
April 17, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
Lost Brave, your name says it all. You are definitely lost.
By DCbrave
April 17, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
We sure need some luck to win this one today: Nolasco is 1-1 with an ERA of 1.99 in four starts against the Braves (the old Braves tho before 2007), and Smoltz is 0-2 with an ERA of 7.90 in his last three starts at Dolphin Stadium. (based on a Yahoo article)
By nolie
April 17, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
BARBARO CANIZARES goes from supernatural to other worldly, batting .545 (6-11), 2 runs scored and 2 rbi. He hits his team-leading third home-run. BA now .438 (21-48). He is the engine that powers the offense. Carpe diem!!RichBrave
I would like to see them bring this guy up for the bench. Everything I have ever heard about him even back to when he was in Cuba says that he can really rake. His defense is considered by many to be way below average, but so what up here? It’s not like we don’t already have a 1st sacker who is gonna play most all the time anyway. BTW Thank you for the continued updates.
By jbutler
April 17, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
Doug Hilarious.
By SNIPER-69
April 17, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Do you mean achieve like the braves are? I checked the standings and the braves were next to last with a .357 winning pct?
By McFann
April 17, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
Richbrave—
You’ve prob’ly said it before, so forgive me, but what position does this guy Canizares play??
By McFann
April 17, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
Braves take two of three from Rochester and their overall record is now 9-4.
Dude, that’s like our record turned right-side up! (If you change that 4 to a 5…Yes, we do have five wins!)
Doug—
That was funny!
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
April 17, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
Some perspective on this 5-9 start to the Braves 2008 season.
The 2007 Philadelphia Phillies started their season 4-11.
They finished 89-73 and won the division.
By Mark Fanxeira/ BBFCFM
April 17, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
Yeah, well, at least fantasy baseball is going well. Who woulda thought Kansas City would have better pitchers than the braves? Heck, better than everyone pretty much.
And in the if wishes were horses category, I would like suggest the Braves trade for Brandon Webb. Maybe a package of Teixeira and…thats it. Regardless, we are going to have to get a #1 by the start of next year.
By johnny 99
April 17, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this
DOB—
I took Ethier in the blog fantasy league—it’s worked out well, as he’s actually gotten to play most days. Thanks.
By Lew
April 17, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Snipper-Like we’ve all said, it sure beats hell out of us how someone whose team is barely a mediocre .500 can sit here and badmouth us-especially after only two weeks.
Are the Mets in first? Are they tearing the baseball world apart with their success? Have they found suitable replacements for Pedro and El Duque? A proven sub for Moises, or just a guy who has NO track record?
All rhetorical Moron. We know they are nothing to brag about-except by And Idiot who is so used to his team underachieving. You haven’t even lived down that tank job from last September and yet you still talk trash, not realizing the entire time that you sound like exactly what you are-a completely clueless individual with no sense of what constitutes common sense. At least wait until the Mets achieve something before you start clutching your crotch in profound pleasure and go all orgasmic.
By TennesseePaul
April 17, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Barbaro Canizares is a 29 year old right handed first baseman. He’s been in the Atlanta system for 2 years. This is the beginning of his third season in the minors. He has solid minor league numbers (.325/.384/.456) but he’s much older than everyone else as well. He’s pretty much played his entire minor league career in his “prime years”.
By flange1
April 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
DOB,
I hope that Don can make enough money at ELLA GURU to keep it going! All of us in Atlanta that are fans of music need to support the small stores like ELLA GURU or we are going to be left buying our music from WalMart, Best Buy or Borders or down loading it from iTunes.
Don will order anything that you want that he doesn’t have in stock, his prices are great and his used selection is great.
I try to visit once a week! Hope more people will too!
By Renegator
April 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
I took Either as well based on a tip and I’ve been very happy. He didn’t play last night though which sucks because the Dodgers were hitting fools.
By Jeff321
April 17, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
“I don’t understand if yall hate the Braves and Bobby Cox so much why do yall stick around?”
Because being a Braves fan since 1981 and being a fan boy of Bobby Cox are two different things. Btw, I pay $119 to MLB Video for access to the Braves here in Florida.. So, I’ll let that cash speak for my loyalty, eh.
By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
April 17, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
I have Tex on my fantasy team. Yeah, not so good yet. However, I do have Escobar and he has been stellar for me. He appears to be along with Brandon Webb and James Loney leading me to a 3-0 record to begin my season.
By Lew
April 17, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Flange-Was that a seconding of Don’s Wurlitzer Nomination from another Member of The Wurlitzer Selection Committee?
By richbrave
April 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
McFANN:
He DH’s with the AL affiliates. 1B with the NL teams.
The guys bat is just sick, but that’s the only aspect of his offense that is. He’s slow afoot.
Defensively, he can be a game winner one play and a goat the next.
But man can he hit!!! Off the bench I don’t know. He’s 0-1 from that spot so far this year. He also went into the second half of one game and was 1-2. Too little to really get much of a line on how he would do from the bench. Maybe Dave’s got some stats from past performances.
He did the same thing in Richmond last year - hit. But he went out of the country and had difficulty getting back in. I’m guessing visa issues caused by his age discrepencies. I read a few different on-line accounts of the man and he’s variously listed as 28 through 36 with 28 being in the minority.
By nolie
April 17, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
Barbaro Canizares is a 29 year old right handed first baseman. He’s been in the Atlanta system for 2 years. This is theTennPaul
from what I’ve heard I seriously doubt that he is anywhere near 29 years old. 33 to 35 is probably more like it.Who cares? Bring him up.
By Efrim
April 17, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
Robert(Chipper is the Best)
I have Tex on my team as well. You know the guy will turn it around. Oddly enough I have a ton of players that are notorius slow starters like VMart, Bedard, Zambrano(although not this year). I have Escobar too and he has saved me this year. Waiver wire pickup after the first week.
By Lew
April 17, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
RCIB-I’ve got Tex on one of my Fantasy teams, too. He hasn’t garnered many points yet.
However, the bigger question is this-Why does CC Sabbathia (also on my team and I can’t drop him) have a total of 18IP in 4 starts, with an 0-3 record and an ERA of 13.50 and a WHIP of 2.55? He gave up 9 in 4 IP yesterday. What’s up with that?
By Efrim
April 17, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Would of been really nice to get off to a good start considering the schedule. It’s all from projections, but April seems to be the easiest month. You never know though.
By Shaun
April 17, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Jeff321, question for me is why do you all hate Bobby Cox so much if you’ve been a Braves fan for so long?
Obviously you know his track record. I’m guessing you’ve read what other executives, managers, players and other insiders say about him.
Obviously if you weight the evidence, there is absolutely no reason to not like Bobby Cox as a manager. But since when do the Bobby Cox haters pay attention to evidence?
By flange1
April 17, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
LEW,
Yes! I will gladly second Don for a Wurlitzer!
VERY deserving!
By McFann
April 17, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Richbrave. Good bat, bad D…sounds like the opposite of Tex right now, heh heh…
By Efrim
April 17, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Lew
I think Sabathia threw something like 275 innings last year, including the post-season. Dude’s arm could be fatigued from all those innings. Don’t sell low though.
By Renegator
April 17, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
I’ve got Tex on my team too and he is killing me. I took him late in the first round because I expected big numbers from him this year. He needs to get going to 2 reasons…
By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
April 17, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this
Good question, Lew. I have actually had some good success with my pitchers for the most part. I have Brandon Webb, Zach Greinke, Jair Jurrjens, Brett Myers, and Phil Hughes as my starters. Hughes and Myers have sucked but the other three have been great. But, I have suffered some losses. I have Pedro and Soriano on my staff but both are on the DL of course. I also have Papplebon as a relief pitcher.
By KC
April 17, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
DOB: Is Hudson going to be examined?
GOD… I really hate to bring this up, but… isn’t a sharp loss of velocity the way things started (downhill) for Mike Gonzalez last year?
This really, really concerns me.
By Jeff321
April 17, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
“But since when do the Bobby Cox haters pay attention to evidence?”
I do acknowledge that a lot of people in the biz say Cox is a great guy and good manager. However, I tend to base my opinion on real life and not what others feed me. You should try it sometime, it might open up a whole new thinking process.
By BA
April 17, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
“I tend to base my opinion on real life”. And you think all the baseball lifers base their opinion of Cox on something other than real life? No. It’s based on his track record throughout a lifetime in baseball. People can post anything they want about Cox here. Have any of you Cox haters ever sat in a major league dugout? No, of course not. All you can do is second guess every move the guy makes and call him an idiot. That’s called an opinion, it has nothing to do with “real life”.
By Jeff321
April 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
I suppose sitting in the dugout and praising the boss is real life? Is Bobby Cox a great manager to “work” for? Most likely, but he’s surely not very good in the post season. Oh wait, the post season is real life and that’s what its all about right? With that in mind, Cox has failed so many times I’ve lost count.
By LOST BRAVE
April 17, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this
DOB. SEEM’S AWFUL FUNNY TO ME THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN ME THE HONOR OF THE WORST POST OF THE YEAR, THIS EARLY, BUT AS A FAN THAT HAS LIVED THROUGH THE UP’S AND DOWN’S OF THE BRAVES,FROM THE TIME THEY MOVED TO ATLANTA,ALL I’M SAYING IS I’VE SEEN THE RISE AND FALL OF DYNASTY’S BEFORE AND RIGHT NOW I JUST THINK THE BRAVES DYNASTY IS ON THE DECLINE,WITH MOST OF THE FRONT OFFICE PERSONNAL MOVES, BUT YOU SAY IT’S TO EARLY TO GET DOWN ON THE TEAM?ON THIS BLOG FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS JUST ABOUT EVERY ONE WAS POSTING ABOUT HOW TOM GLAVINE WAS WASHED UP AND HE WOULD NEVER BE WELCOME IN A BRAVES UNIFORM AGAIN? I HAVE NOT NOR WILL I EVER QUIT BEING A FAN AND SUPPORTER OF THE BRAVES, BUT LET’S GET REAL RIGHT NOW THE BRAVES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAY THE BEST BALL OF THEIR LIFE’S AND HAVE A LOT OF LUCK TO STILL BE IN IT BY JULY.BUT THANK’S FOR THE HONOR, I KNOW YOU CAN’T CRITISIZE THE PLAYER’S OR THE BRAVES MANAGEMENT