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DEL.ICIO.USTalking trades and Smoltz’s shoulder
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Port St. Lucie, Fla. _ We’re at beautiful Port St. Lousy, and we’ve got Tim Hudson going for the Braves and both Johan Santana and Pedro Martinez pitching for the Mets.
What’s that? Oh, nevermind. Santana and Martinez are both pitching on backfields here. So we’ll just get back to waiting for a trade announcement and keep an eye on this game to make sure no one gets hit in the face by a pitch.
By the way, we’re way behind on posting a blog today, so we’ll keep this one short. Had to stop by Dark Star Ballpark to watch John Smoltz throw today, the first time he’s done any kind of throwing since he was scratched from last Friday’s start with shoulder soreness.
The good news: He said he felt “normal,” and didn’t have the soreness he felt when he had to cut short a side session last Wednesday. But before anyone starts to wonder, no, the plan hasn’t changed. Smoltz to the DL to begin season.
He’ll throw again Wednesday or Thursday, then off the mound this weekend if there are no setbacks. He would pitch in a simulated game next week against minor leaguers at Class A Rome, just up the road from Atlanta for those of you not familiar with the Peach State.
Braves have some fallback plans in place (which they won’d divulge), but the plan they hope to follow has Smoltz returning April 6 from DL to start a Sunday afternoon finale against the aforementioned Mr. Santana, according to a couple of Mets writers who said that’s how their rotation shakes out the first week.
How big would that atmosphere be at Turner Field, with Smoltz coming off the DL and Santana making his first Mets appearance at Turner Field? Smoltz does like the big-game atmosphere, and that’s about as big as you’ll get in April, outside of opening day (but opening day is in March this year, so nevermind that).
Speaking of opening day, Tom Glavine is excited about pitching the home opener Monday against the Pirates at Turner Field. And I’m thinking that’s really going to feel more like opening day than the added Sunday night special opener at Washington, seeing as how that’s just one game and it’s the day after the Braves play two exhibitions against Cleveland.
With most of baseball opening on Monday, it’ll at least feel like a second opening day for the Braves, and not “just” a home opener.
So what’s the reception gonna be like for Glavine? To me, there’s little doubt it’ll be a big ovation. Sure there will be some boos, but in a packed house I doubt you’ll hear them over the cheers. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I expect anyway.
OK, I told you I’d keep this thing short, and I’m going to. We’ll get it posted now, since the first inning’s already started and I want the good denizens to be able to have the usual banter and such.
It’s been good this spring, hasn’t it? It’s been a lot of good discourse here, really has. We’ve cultivated quite a motley (and I mean that in a good way) and knowledgeable audience of hardcore and not-so-hardcore Braves fans and a lot of music lovers, too. Makes doing this a pleasure (well, not always, but usually).
Oh, and if you’re ever in Winter Haven, do yourselves a favor and stop by Andy’s Igloo. The best milkshake in the world, I was told. So I drove a mile or so from the ballpark to this old-school walk-up (or drive-thru) burger joint and tried it. And you know what? It’s at least as good as any I’ve ever had.
Tremendous. Vanilla shake, very large for less than $3. Gotta love it. I skippled the goat’s milk fudge stop on the way back.
Made good time on the drive to Port St. Lucie today and caught the Braves bus twice (I had to stop for gas). Rober Earl Keen, the CD by the new super-duo The Gutter Twins (Greg Dulli and Mark Lanegan) and Cohiba made for a nice driving experience.
Now I’m enjoying some ball and a pulled-pork sandwich, making it all but about two ballparks this spring where I’ve sampled the pulled-pork. This one’s tasty, or at least better than I’d expect to be served by New York types.
”DOWN THAT DUSTY TRAIL” by Robert Earl Keen
When I was a young boy
The only things that really mattered were
Making friends and having fun
Walkin’ down the railroad track
‘Til you reached the river
Turn around and head on back
When the day is done
Ain’t it like they always say
Everybody goes their own way
Nobody knows no one can tell
It’s always been the same for me
Guess it’s just the way it must be
Headin’ down that dusty trail
When I was a young man
The only things
that got me goin’ were
Gettin’ high and chasin’ love
Lyin’ down beside my girl
On the banks of the river
With nothin’ but some mustang wine
And all the stars above
It’s a twistin’ turnin’ windin’ road
I get lost and broken down
I’m a stumbler and it won’t be long
‘Till stumble back around
Since I became my own man
Everything that matters to me is
Making sure I’m staying true
To my friends and the ones I love
‘Till cross that river
All alone I’m movin’ on
Until my time is through
Comments
By Dave
March 25, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
Is Pedro lined up to get his A** whooped by us next weekend?
By propp
March 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
As long as the backup plans do not involve JoJo leaving Richmond, we will be in good shape
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
Wind is blowing in hard from RF today, folks. If someone gets one out to right, they will be asked to pee in a cup immediately after crossing home plate.
Huddy hasn’t given up a hit through two.
By McFann
March 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Efrim. Glad to know somebody has my back on this.
rockies went to the WS last year because all their young guys clicked on at once. that could be the braves this year. DAP
I hope so…
10Paul—
It didn’t come from you.
Um……first?
By bsj
March 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
Just heard Pete Van Weiren mention John Maine over the net. Is it just me, or does his stuff seem pretty ordinary? He seems to hide the ball well, but basically reminds me Steve “Human Rain Delay” Trachsel.
By aefwb
March 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
I thought we were talking trades. Did I miss that topic???
By jrjags
March 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
DOB, Have you heard anything about Jason Heyward this spring? I assumed he was in the minor league camp, but I was wondering how he looked and what the plans were for him.
By propp
March 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
if Pedro isn’t on the DL by then
By Oregon_Braves
March 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
David - What is the lineup?
By J.D.
March 25, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
DOB if you had a pick for the backup 1B/outfield role who is it…Thorman, Pena, or Borchard?
By Andy
March 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
DOB, what are the trades you’re hearing about?
Also, why is Thorman so valuable? He appears to be Brad Komminsk with a 1B glove. And why do I have this horrible feeling we’ll keep Yates? Cox loves this guy the way he loved and kept around Keith Lockhart.
By Bay Area Steve
March 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this
I’d like to thank those of you who post repetitive, day old information. I may have missed something the first several times.
And, thank you for not even skimming the previous posts. I realize your time is valuable and it’s ok for you to waste the blog’s space, and the reader’s time, to save you a few seconds, and give you the opportunity to post your drivel.
It’s nice to know that other posts are not worth your time, but your posts are supposed to be worth ours.
Again, thank you.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Well, we know Glavine can dominate Triple-A hitters: He pitched 6-1/3 innings today for AA Mississippi in a minor league against Richmond and allowed only two hits, no walks, with six strikeouts.
He threw 54 strikes in 89 pitches. The reason he threw the last 1/3 inning was so that McCann could get another at-bat. McCann was his catcher, but switched to Richmond’s side to get one more at-bat in the seventh (Glavine got him out, though they didn’t tell me what kind of out).
By BillsNV
March 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Great Blog DOB! Go Braves!
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
OK, disregard what I said about no one getting it out to right. Raul Casanova just yanked a 2-2 pitch to the berm beyond the RF fence in the third.
Umpire held out a cup as he crossed home plate.
(ok, kidding about that part)
By propp
March 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
Blanco, CF Escobar, SS Francoeur, RF Diaz, LF Prado, 2B Lillibridge, 3B Thorman, 1B Miller, C Hudson, P
By Tomahawkin
March 25, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
bsj I’ve been on another board talking to a mets fan who knows his stuff about John Maine and he says that he has looked better than Pedro this spring… Thats not good, especially since it is noted that Maine and Oliver Perez are the Braves killers over the last 2 seasons…
By propp
March 25, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
I guess Casanova gets the first pee cup.
By Wayne in Utah
March 25, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
Alright Dave, time to make a prediction. If you had to guess (gun to your head and all that stuff), what sort of a deal do you see the Braves making in the upcoming days?
(I understand if you do not want to comment, since your comments seem to grow wings on the internet! Is that a good thing?)
By Randy S
March 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Due to Granderson’s injury, Leyland has said that Renteria will be leading off for the Tigers. I think that is a huge dropoff. I mean Renteria is clearly a 7 or 8 hole hitter. Wink and wink.
By Robert
March 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Blanco looks much better in CF than Kotsay
By Dave
March 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
DOB, you ever bring fans up to sit with you in the pressbox to watch the game and experience what you do?
propp Im hoping we put him on the DL during the game and send all the Mets fans back to NY crying. Can we Braves fans please outnumber those losers next weekend and sweep their A**!
By DAP
March 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
richbrave and 10paul maybe we should give that mark teixiera kid a look. could be alright.
it looks like unless kala kaaihue or whatever his name is blows the minors away this year, we will be buying our next 1st baseman. tyler flowers is probably a ways away still.
mcfann I’d say Francoeur would be better than Miguel.*
do you know who miguel cabrera is? seriously…do you?
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
Maine on Friday, TBA on Sat and Sun, but I was assured it’d be Santanta on Sunday. Could be Pedro on Saturday….
TODAY’S LINEUP: 1. Blanco, CF; 2. Escobar, SS; 3. Francoeur, RF; 4. Diaz, LF; 5. Prado, 2B; 6. Lil’ Bridge, SS; 7. Thorman, 1B; 8. Corky, C; 9. Huddy.
By PatioDaddio
March 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
Andy’s is an awesome Burger Place on 17 in Winter Haven. Great Burgers, Soft Serve and Shakes. It is a throwback for sure. I stop there every time I pass through. Never go inside. Order at the window outside.
By KC
March 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
For those of you who have already seen this announcement, please forgive my repeating it… but I wanted to mention it a couple more times this week.
OPENING DAY AT FOX SPORTS GRILL
A few of us blog acquaintances will be getting together at the Fox Sports Grill at Atlantic Station Sunday evening to watch the game opening night.
This is an open invitation, and anyone is welcome to join us. If you’re interested, just email me at embassypro@hotmail.com
By Luther
March 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
Realize Mets don’t want Braves to see Santana a week before the season, but I always remember Maddux saying things about wanting to give the hitters something else to think about or to throw them a pitch in the spring that he would never throw on that count in the regular season just to put something else in the back of their minds. Just a thought that holding a guy out isn’t always beneficial or maybe it is for everyone besides Greg Maddux.
By chrisklob
March 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
Bay Area Steve,
Amen, brother!
Whiskey?
By TheCutMan
March 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
We all should know soon enough who the Braves’ bubble vs roster players are, i.e., those to go via a trade or released as opposed to those that made the 25.
From what I’ve read, heard and seen, I hope the keepers include Resop and Boyer. But other teams looking for a trade may have the same list. (sigh)
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
aefwb: that headline was just a good way to lure you in….
If you want, we can rehash all of yesterday’s trade talks. Because to be honest, the rumors aren’t exactly flying, in terms of names (they usually don’t when you’re talking about trades for bench guys and end-of-bullpen relievers, etc).
By DonCoburleone
March 25, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
Trade, trade, I need a trade!!!!
By Randy S
March 25, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
I hear that Mac tried a drag bunt on Glavine. That’s just what I hear.
By Alan
March 25, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
Yeah, DOB. Where’s the trade talk? Not that you don’t have other things to do, of course. Good news from Smoltz, as expected. I read last night that the Phillies have put Brad Lidge on the 15-day DL. There’s a bit of angst in Clearwater today, I’ll bet. Let the trade winds blow.
By ukuga
March 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Sadly, I’m not convinced that a Smoltz-Santana match-up on a Sunday afternoon in April will draw the crowd we’d hope for.
Three years ago, Smoltz made his (home) return to the rotation against Pedro Martinez, of all people, on the exact same week-end; but sadly, there were only 36,000 people there.
Wake up, Atlanta!
box score
By Andy
March 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Dave, who do you think will be traded? Could you see a big deal taking place?
By keylargo
March 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
I’m getting the Braves/Mets on mlb.com TV live.
By Randy S
March 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
Glavine fielded the ball, called pegs and then put one in McCanns back.
By 22oz
March 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
Whats new, Braves can’t hit an unknown pitcher.
I have tickets for the home opener and i plan on giving Glavine a standing ovation, and making my wife do the same. Although she’ll still be sulking about Andruw being gone!
DOB REK’s gonna be @ the Ga Theatre in Athens on April 5th, i’m looking forward to that show.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
Andy, who said Thorman is “so valuable”? Nobody I know.
By Allen
March 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
FYI…for those with Direct TV wondering about the 47 peachtree games. I live in Alabama and have Direct TV. I got a response back from them about those of us outside Atlanta. Their words: “For customers like yourself who are in market for the Braves, but out of market for Atlanta local channels, the Braves games will be made available on channel 617.” I replied back asking if that would be HD. When I get that response I will post it.
By Randy S
March 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
Anyone notice that Wright’s batting stance looks exactly like Pujols’s? He is holding the bat high just like him. Has he always done that?
By SNIPER-69
March 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
Niece has been NICE
By FJR
March 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
Hey guys, I wanted to talk about chucky a little bit, but felt that posting it here would be a little too long. So I used it for the impetus of starting a blog that I had toyed around with for a while.
What to do about Chucky?
Feel free to check out the rest of the blog as well. Hope to have about 1 braves blog every two or so days, varying with how much there is to talk about and how much time I have.
By propp
March 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Isn’t there a name for the jinx when a team can’t hit a pitcher the first time they see him? I think Skip and Pete talked about it a while back when an unknown Dodger named Ramon Martinez struck out 18 Braves. Kind of seen a pattern ever since…
By Andy
March 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Why hasn’t he been cut then if he’s not valuable? And why does everyone think someone will pick him up before he goes through waivers? The guy can’t hit Major League pitching. I’d just keep Brayan Pena who can play 1B and C.
By bsj
March 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Tomahawkin, yeah, he and Perez owned the Braves last year. I just don’t see what the hitters are seeing, I guess. But then, when you think about it, Glavine’s stuff isn’t eye-popping. He’s just smarter than your average hitter, and has great motion on his change. Pedro is big mystery for the Mats this year. Does he have anything left?
By Andy K
March 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
DOB: It’ll probably be after the game before we hear about any trades and such, right?
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
That’s all for Huddy, who went 3-1/3 innings and left after a walk in the fourth. Threw 60 pitches, allowed one hit, two runs (one earned), two walks, two strikeouts. Second run scored after he left game, an E2 on Corky’s errant throw on stolen base.
(this was a tuneup start, Huddy wasn’t going to go more than three or four innings, whichver he felt comfortable with)
By matt_T
March 25, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
DOB- The new Raconteurs came out today, I only had a chance to listen to the first few tracks, but its outstanding so far.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
Now another unearned run has scored in fourth on THORMAN’s terrible play on what should’ve been a routine out. Just went off his glove, not an especially hard hit ball or anything else. Brutal.
So make that three runs against Hudson, one earned.
By Tomahawkin
March 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
UKUGA, I remember that game, because it was the day we debuted the Red Sunday Alternate Jerseys…I’d figured that there will be more mets fans than braves fans at the TED, especially since its given that Santana will give them a crown, but oh wait, Didn’t ESPN Say that when they signed Pedro…?
By Antoine Roquentin
March 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t underestimate Thorman’s value. If the Braves don’t sign Tex, who do they have to play 1B? Sometimes it takes a few years to adjust to the ML level. I would be hesitant to dump him even though I don’t think he is a good fit for the backup job.
By SNIPER-69
March 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
I don’t think your 1st baseman and catcher will be coming in as defensive replacements during the season.
By ssiscribe
March 25, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Top of the afternoon, denizens, as we get ready to pull up the stakes in Florida and roll north (and none too soon; my kids have asked me every day for a solid week, “Are we going to the Braves’ game tonight?” No guys, that’s Monday night, and there is work to be done between now and then, for sure).
Now, the pitching staff (noted transition by the Scribe): We’ve spent the past six weeks looking at the final spots in the bullpen. As we sit here on the final Tuesday of spring training, there is no doubt in my mind Blaine Boyer and Chris Resop have earned spots on this team. Both guys throw hard, throw strikes and you just don’t give those type of pitchers away. Resop in particular has been a big surprise to me, and a pleasant one at that. Throws 98, 99, with a good breaking ball. Like the thought of him bringing that gas into a game in the sixth or seventh inning.
So, add Boyer and Resop to the four-person core of Soriano, Moylan, Acosta and Ohman. That leaves one spot, but the DL stint by Smoltz allows the Braves to bring north somebody we didn’t think they would. Jeff Bennett, who would’ve been the seventh reliever (the spot starter/long reliever position) slides into the rotation (even if he won’t make a start, with Hudson, Glavine, Jurrjens and Hampton slated to toe the slab in the first four games, followed by Hudson on Friday, Glavine on Saturday and then the hoped-for/expected return of Smoltz on Sunday).
So, who gets the last pitching spot? I say Royce Ring. Tyler Yates is a guy who I had locked into the core of the bullpen, but he’s had a rough spring (good inning yesterday, though). Yates gets a lot of grief on this blog, and I understand that; his numbers really tailed off late in the season the past two years. But he also was grossly overused in each of the past two seasons, thanks in part to the implosion of the Braves’ rotation and all those stellar four-inning outings by the third, fourth and fifth starters.
But I digress. Yates has really good stuff, but has struggled this spring. And Ring gives you a second lefty. If it comes down to trying to pass somebody through waivers, I think it’s more likely Ring would be plucked than Yates. Everybody is looking for a lefty reliever. If Yates is put on waivers and is taken, you still have a stable of hard-throwing rightys in the pen. And, a second lefty (which would be Ring) gives the Braves more flexibility, with Ohman and Ring as left-handed arms in the pen. Need to get out a lefty in the sixth? You can use Ring, knowing you’ve still got Ohman for later in the game.
Now, the bench (transition): Five spots up for grabs. Martin Prado gets one of ‘em. He’s had a super spring. Corky Miller gets the backup catcher’s spot. Clint Sammons needs to catch every day, and I think Brayan Pena will be traded before the end of the week. The third bench spot goes to either Josh Anderson or Gregor Blanco, the latter who has really come on strong the past two weeks and I think just might make the team. Both those guys have options. I’ve tooted the horn on Anderson since the Braves traded for him in November. Great speed, plays good defense and is a good hitter, but it’s going to be hard to send Blanco down the way he’s played this spring.
Two spots to go, and several ways the Braves could go with them. With Omar Infante starting the season on the DL, I think Brent Lillibridge — who has struggled hitting the breaking ball this spring — gets a spot as the second backup infielder. That leaves one spot, and right now it’s Scott Thorman’s, unless he’s dealt. I don’t think the Braves want to give up on him just yet, and he’s out of options. Joe Borchard is on a minor-league deal, so there is no risk in sending him down (he can’t be claimed), and you always can bring him back up. He just doesn’t have the defensive versatility to really force the hand of the Braves, given the fact Thorman is out of options.
Thorman could be dealt, though, and that may open up a spot for Borchard. Or, the Braves may deal for a backup first baseman, maybe packaging one of the out-of-option relievers in the deal for a big bat off the bench (the big bat they hoped Javy Lopez would be, but wasn’t).
Tough decisions to make. There are 28 or 29 players who deserve to go north, but three or four of them will be in the minors — or with another organization — when we kick this thing off for real come Sunday night in the nation’s capital.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By Dave
March 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
DOB, whats your opinion of Frenchy since he got hit in the face? Does he seem any different in the box. Couple of at bats I saw he seemed to be pulling out a little. Whats your first hand opinion?
By Tomahawkin
March 25, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
BSJ Pedro I think is at the Point to where, he will rather rely on location rather than trying to overpower hitters, Haven’t seen much of him yet to determine what kind of pitcher he will be this year…It’s too early to tell, but going by his track record, and given the fact that he will be facing most teams number 2 starter as opposed to their number one starter’s, I’d pencil him in the 13-16 win range, barring any flare ups from injury…
KC If I didn’t live a 1000 miles away, I’d so Be there At Atlantic station getting tuned up wit ya while watching our boyz…but I’ll be at the Pad have to put up With Miller and Morgan unfortunately…
By Jon1
March 25, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
Got a quick comparison to make for Metman in regards to his impartial distain for Chipper and his apparent man love for David Wrong.
Last year Wrong…160G/604AB/113R/196H/42-2b/ 1-3b/30-HR/107-RBI/94-BB/115-SO/ .416-OBP/.546-SLG/.325 AVG
Chipper…134G/513AB/108R/173H/42-2b/ 4-3b/29-HR/102-RBI/82-BB/75-SO/ .425-OBP/.604-SLG/.337 AVG
How does it feel to have your “Stud’s” offensive performance either beaten or matched by the often injured Chipper? I mean, come on man Chipper was on the DL for like a total of 10 weeks last year and he still caught or passed Wrong in almost every offensive category!
By ROCHIE
March 25, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
yes we have some backups in lineup today but the hitting has been cold lately going into the season. escobar NL MVP
By Bravosimos
March 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
DOB,
I know nothing specific, but do you think any trades will be consummated before opening day, and do you what the Braves might be asking for in terms of position?
By OldBravesBag
March 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
DOB
Can you tell us what the deal is with Kelly? Thanks a million.
By TheCutMan
March 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
The Scribe has an excellent take on roster positions. Good stuff.
By ROCHIE
March 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
DOB, are we going to keep blanco on the 25man roster?…there i talk about our offense and we score 2!!!!!!!!
By Dave
March 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
Dave, are we going to get a prediction of the NL out of you before the season starts?
By Susan
March 25, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Nothing wrong with Smoltz. He wants to work on his pitch some more and Cox needs time to see the two chosen rookies in real play. Thus, Smoltz has time to work and Cox has time to look.
Lets Go Braves
By Susan
March 25, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Nothing wrong with Smoltz. He wants to work on his pitch some more and Cox needs time to see the two chosen rookies in real play. Thus, Smoltz has time to work and Cox has time to look.
Lets Go Braves
By Bay Area Steve
March 25, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
Not yet, Mr. Klob.
‘tis too early, even for me. Although I was tempted this morning watching Huston Street do his best Joey Devine imitation. I really think that guy is overrated. Nice two seam, nice slider, no location.
By KC
March 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Tomahawkin: Real fans don’t make excuses! =)
Where do you live?
By Clown Scientist Panda Man Pretend Monster Toucher Hello What Is Porridge, Exactly?
March 25, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Soriano looks strong. Oh yeah!
By NY Jay
March 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
When did ESPN say that Pedro Martinez made the Mets World Series favorites?
Brave fans are taking the underdog role to absurd levels.
In Brave fan logic, Santana has little to no affect on the Mets and they will be an 88 win team. Tom Glavine makes the Braves 10 games better than last season so that means 94 wins and a division title.
Give me a break.
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Soriano’s velocity seems to be down on his fastball, but not his other stuff. His slider is hitting 90, 91 for the fastball.
By Rooster
March 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
Dave last night I metioned five players that the Braves could get in a trade. Yea some were dumb but after sleeping on it, I have come up with a option that no one is talking about. How about Wren goes aftre Xavior Nady from the Pirates. He is capable of playing 1st and his height is not at problem at 6-2. He is also going to come at about 4.5 million, but Wren did say we could increase salary if we add. He has a great bat and can also play all outfield spots. He even has played 3 or 4 games at third. This would makes sense because it gives the Braves a power bat they are searching for off the bench. I know if the Braves can make this happen then finding a roster spot won’t be as impossible as it may seem. Plus he would be a veteran the Braves need to back up Kotsay. If I am a fan I want experience during a pennent race. Nothing against Anderson, Blanco and Schaffer but experience does matter in the clutch. Whata think? Maybe put a bug in Wrenny’s ear.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
Just back from talking to Huddy, in time to see Soriano throwing some gas. He looked very sharp, left Castillo holding the bat with a confused look on that strikeout to end the inning. He gave up a hit and had two strikeouts in the inning….
Somebody asked “the deal” with Kelly. He had a sore knee, Bobby’s rested him couple days and gotten at-bats for Prado, who’s going to need to be ready as the primary utility infielder.
By McFann
March 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
I didn’t know you were aloud to switch teams in the middle of a minor league game. Weird…
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
Andy, if you were trying to trade a player, why would you cut him from the camp roster if you had a possible deal brewing, or had interest in him from a team or two?
By McFann
March 25, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
mcfann: I’d say Francoeur would be better than Miguel.
do you know who miguel cabrera is? seriously…do you? DAP on the other blog
Arg! I just can’t win, cann I? ; )
By TennesseePaul
March 25, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
DAP: maybe we should give that mark teixiera kid a look
He would be the best option. Alas, Teixeira has been debated. There is a lot of agreement on the theory, no one player is worth 20% of the payroll. That’d be Teixeira if we were to purchase his services for the next 7 or 8 years. Maybe he would be interested in a Dodger Deal. Just knock his socks off with a per year salary, but lop off a ton of years and hand it to him with a note that highlights the fact that he’d be a free agent again at a young age. Doubt he’d take it, though it might “bridge the gap” until some youngster is ready (maybe Heyward??).
The free agent list for first basemen next off-season plummets after Teixeira. So maybe a trade is possible. But whomever is acquired in a trade isn’t going to be as good as Teixeira.
By chuckaluck
March 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
DOB who’s scheduled to throw Thursday against the Mets at Disney — I just can’t say Dark Star?
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
Corky just singled to center to drive in the go-ahead run. Braves 4-3, still runners at second and third with two out in the sixth. Anderson batting.
By keylargo
March 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
3 - 3 Thorman ties it up with a single. 4 -3 Braves
Corky Miller drives in a run.
By Jim
March 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Corky just makes team.
Maybe Thorman’s trade value went up with RBI single.
By Jim
March 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Corky just makes team.
Maybe Thorman’s trade value went up with RBI single.
By ncscoots
March 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Uh, is it OK if I just call you “Clown” for short?
By flange1
March 25, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Gotay and Register put on waivers by he Mets.
Didn’t see THAT coming.
Cubs sign Reed johnson.
Matt Murton is available, that might be an interesting pickup……
By BostonBravesGirl
March 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Picked up the feed on mlb.com but who are the announcers? They’re awful! Any chance of picking up ATL announcers outside of ATL?
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Resop just gave up a LONG double to Beltra with one out in sixth. Delgado up. Tying run at second.
By Bay Area Steve
March 25, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Good stuff, scoots. I’m scared to ask what that’s supposed to mean.
By Clown Scientist Panda Man Pretend Monster Toucher Hello What Is Porridge, Exactly?
March 25, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Yes, you may, Mr. Scoots.
By Andy
March 25, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
Thorman makes Andruw look like a contact hitter. If someone wants to trade for him, I’m all for it. I hope Yates is included and we get a bench player. Our bench looks pretty bad right now.
By keylargo
March 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
The mets announcers were taking calls between innings and just to prove Atlanta does not have the market for idiots cornered, a met fan wanted to know what the Braves would take for Tex in a trade. Yeah, call us back in Nov. If we haven’t signed him we might take david wright.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
Marlon Anderson ties it with two-out single to left field.
By ROCHIE
March 25, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
DOB,,,
glad u say soriano looked good.very important. EPINEPRINE stated soriano’s faseball is similar to his other stuff!90 to 91mph what did u see in him.
By The Goche (A.J.)
March 25, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
I was wondering if the Braves would alter their 4 OF plan if they were able there was the possibility that the guy the 5th OF might be their big PH.
My idea was Matt Murton. Seems like quite a valuable guy and the Cubs seem to not want to let him play. Esp now with the Reed Johnson signing.
He’d probably cost more than a Tyler Yates in a trade, but is probably worth it. And I don’t know what the Cubs needs are.
He hasn’t played first in the majors before, but I’d bet he could be at least as good as Thorman before too long (wouldn’t be too much to hope that he is better).
Also, I like Rooster’s Nady idea. He seems like about as good as we could get and Pittsburgh from my memory don’t seem to really love him. I had never included him for money reasons, but if we are willing to pay like Wren says he seems like a great choice if we could get him.
A guy like Nady or Murton (if he can play 1st) are really some of the only guys I can think of that might be available at this point that might fit Wren’s “strike fear in the other manager” kind of description. Seems like most of the well known “professional hitter” PH types will probably pretty locked down by now.
By Robert
March 25, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Brewers just released Claudio Vargas, anyone interested
By BostonBravesGirl
March 25, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Those Mets announcers on mlb.com are brutal, just awful. Why don’t they use Braves announcers? Who are the Braves announcers this year, with the changes and all?
By ROCHIE
March 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
JOHN SMOLTZ :::Anyone who calls this injury a trapezius strain is missing the real story and I really have to question what they know about pitching. Instead, the signs are that there’s some nerve involvement regarding this chronic injury. A brachial plexus involvement, a slight impingement due to a swollen disc in his neck, or something else? History tells us that Smoltz recovers quickly from this injury, the same one he’s suffered with on and off since 2005. He recovers in a matter of days with rest and treatment, but more importantly, there’s no real effect on his pitching once he comes back. It’s problematic that it’s cropped up so early in the season, but this is a known issue that’s never become more than an annoyance for Smoltz and the Braves. The team will put him on the DL with a retro move, allowing him to come in for his first start on April 6, meaning he misses one start.
By ROCHIE
March 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
JOHN SMOLTZ :::Anyone who calls this injury a trapezius strain is missing the real story and I really have to question what they know about pitching. Instead, the signs are that there’s some nerve involvement regarding this chronic injury. A brachial plexus involvement, a slight impingement due to a swollen disc in his neck, or something else? History tells us that Smoltz recovers quickly from this injury, the same one he’s suffered with on and off since 2005. He recovers in a matter of days with rest and treatment, but more importantly, there’s no real effect on his pitching once he comes back. It’s problematic that it’s cropped up so early in the season, but this is a known issue that’s never become more than an annoyance for Smoltz and the Braves. The team will put him on the DL with a retro move, allowing him to come in for his first start on April 6, meaning he misses one start.
By Alan
March 25, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
I agree with most of Scribe’s assessment, too, particularly with the pitching staff. However, I disagree with Lillibridge. I don’t believe he’ll make the team. The Braves are going to make at least one trade, and I hope they add a veteran power hitter - preferably a right-handed hitter. Someone like Craig Wilson but much, much better. I and others have mentioned Kevin Millar’s name. He’d do for sure.
By jbutler
March 25, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
So basically the point of todays game is to watch for any possible facial injuries and drug tests at home plate. Heard a little bit of the Mike Tirico show on ESPN driving in today- he and Tim K.(have not a clue how to spell his last name) put Braves even w/Phils/Mets atop the ‘ol East. They both said biggest ? marks are Glavine/Smoltz.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Not good baserunning by Blanco, just got caught too far off first base for the third out.
By ncscoots
March 25, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
BASteve, likewise affrighted, my man. But I give the “Clown” mad props for coming up with the moniker, and its meaning of…well, whatever it means. THAT mind would sho’ ‘nough be a terrible thing to waste!
By propp
March 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
Even better would be to package Yates and Thorman, etc for a package of players, including a first basemen, that still has options. Half of the point of trading players like them is to keep from losing them for nothing. Why add the extra payroll if it isn’t needed right now? Keep the payroll flexibility for the trade deadline.
By ChampDawg
March 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
DOB— I agree with another poster on another board. Maybe Smoltz should lay off the golf during baseball season. That golf club swing would seem only to but more wear and tear and strain on the shoulder. He’ll have plenty of time to play golf after his baseball career is over.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
Tell you what: Anderson has a lot better arm than I suspected before spring training began. He came very close to throwing a guy out at the plate while ago on a play I didn’t think he had any chance at, and he just made a throw to second base, on a single to left (he’s in left field) that was a hard, low-arc throw in the air and on the money, from near the left-field foul line pretty deep.
By ncscoots
March 25, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Xavier Nady? Does it make sense that the Braves would pay more for a PH bench player than they were willing to pay a solid LH reliever, Mahay? And give up players in addition? Most illogical, Captain.
Which means it’s as likely a trade scenario as any floated this time of year.
By TJ
March 25, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Vargas? No thanks. He’d be about the 8th or 9th best starter on our roster. Bet the Mets are looking at him, though.
By DAP
March 25, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
mcfann I just can’t win, cann I?
nope especially since you like to give others about using caps, minor typos and mistakes. if youre gonna do that, youd better be on top of your stuff.
by the way “aloud” is actually a-l-l-o-w-e-d.
hows home school treating you?
By OrlandoFan
March 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
Anyone interested in former Braves second sacker Felix Millan can read about him in an entertaining piece about some former ballplayers in today’s Orlando Sentinel.
Check it out: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-whitley2508mar25,0,6650186.column
By MA
March 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
ROCHIE: If you’re going to quote copyrighted material (that’s behind a subscription wall), at least cite your source.
(For those of y’all who may be curious, Rochie’s quoting Baseball Prospectus author Will Carrol in this article.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Lillibridge came close to getting one out. Hit a high fly to the l-c warning track, and the wind’s not blowing out. it’s blowing in from right.
By Thrillhouse44
March 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
ChampDawg, come on, dogg. I mean, really? You’re going to tell Smoltz not to play golf? I’d like to see you personally tell him that. It’s not like he’s racing dirt bikes or anything. If it was so physically demanding, how come 70% of golfers are out of shape, overweight retirees? Tell Smoltz not to golf. Are you going to tell Tom Brady not to chase models?
By bsj
March 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Tomahawkin i would go with 13 maybe, but with a 4 plus ERA. I just don’t think he’ll stay healthy, but he’ll get bailed out by the Mats offense when he does pitch.
By ssiscribe
March 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
Alan: Agree with you on Lillibridge. If Infante wasn’t hurt, there’d be no doubt Lillibidge would be heading to the minors to start the season. It’s possible the spot I designated for him instead goes to somebody acquired via trade this week.
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By Christy
March 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Boston Braves girl - click again on the Listen tab…. I’m listening to Pete and Jon Sciambi on the Gameday audio feed through MLB…
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Yates throwing back-to-back days … hmmmm.
just gave up leadoff single in the eighth.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
ChampDawg, if Braves didn’t allow Smoltz to play golf, he’d have gone to Yankees for a whole lot more money years ago, or to another team in one of the times he took less money to stay with Braves. Playing for Bobby Cox and golf are two things he cites as reasons he’s been able to keep his sanity through trying times, and reasons he’s stayed with the Braves.
By ssiscribe
March 25, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
Yates throwing back-to-back days … hmmmm indeed. Think this might be a little ol’ showcasing of Tyler for some interested suitors.
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By McFann
March 25, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
Hey, DAP, no cheep shots at home schooling, dude! I get confused about spelling words that sound alike sometimes, but that is in no way the fault of my teacher! Dude, everyone has their weak points, and mine has always been spelling! Sheesh! I’m sorry, and I won’t say anything about YOUR LACK OF CAPS again. (And when was the last time I “gave it to others about using caps, minor typos and mistakes”, anyway?)
So I can’t win, eh? Well, OK, fine, Mr. “Buy Cable Or Die”, that does seem to be the case at the moment. I say McCann and Johnson are better hitters than Francoeur and I get it, I throw a complement at Francoeur and I get it. Sheesh! Miguel Cabrera looks like a punk, and acts like a punk to me, and I happen to like Francoeur way better than him, and would rather have Francoeur than Miguel.
Home schooling’s treating me very well, BTW. How are things with you?
By ernesto
March 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
The word on the Mets blog is they think Gotay will clear waivers and they can resign him since he’s out of options.
That’s a big chance to take, that guy can hit, I think (and hope) someone else picks him up.
By ssiscribe
March 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this
Pete on the Webcast just now, talking about the pitching matchups for the first week, “Saturday will be Tom Glavine against whoever wins the No. 5 spot for the Mets …”
Hmmmm … Claudio Vargas or John Patterson, ye ol’ faithful of the Amazin’s?
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By DAP
March 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
Yates throwing back-to-back days
maybe giving him a chance to redeem himself, and/or showcase him?
hopefully he will do well and keep the interest strong. please strike out the side, yates…
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
Tough pitch to stay alive there for Blanco.
Yates looked good again, which is good for the Braves if they are going to trade him.
By Rooster
March 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
DOB what you think of this? Wren said that the Braves wanted to add a player that is capable of striking fears in other GMs. I pointed out that Nady would be great because he possesses power and flexability with his ability to play other positions. I say trade Anderson and a reliever to Pittsburgh for Nady. Oh, shut it people. Anderson is a good player but will not hit for power. An outfielder needs to hit for power. B. Jones sit has a chance to be a star but needs time. Anderson will always be a single hitter and that is what you look for in a middle infielder or bench player. However getting Nady opens Bobby’s options if anyone gets hurt in the outfield and at 1B and not have to worry about a power drop off in the line-up. It is not about paying Mahay to pitch in 70 games. It has to do with a player that offers flexability to play 130 games. I would pay for that in a heart beat. The Braves need insurance for four positions. Can you imagine and outfield of Diaz, Kotsay, Francour, and Nady. Come on sometimes you have to give up talent and money to strike the fear of the opponent. They do the deal, that swagger that the Braves supposidly had years ago will be back. It would be great to know that if any of the following go down injured then a back up steps in and provides the same if not better production. I hate to tell you all this may be the last year for seveal to come that we have a ligetimate shot at winning a World Series. Next year the starting rotation will be needing assitance.
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
He popped out but that was a really nice AB I thought for Blanco. Stayed alive, worked the count, and almost dropped one in the hole
By TJ
March 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
Patterson’s already signed with Texas.
By DCbrave
March 25, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
BostonBravesGirl Those Mets announcers on mlb.com are brutal, just awful. Why don’t they use Braves announcers? Who are the Braves announcers this year, with the changes and all?
If you are talking about mlb.com’s audio, if you look/surf around, you can find two icons to click and listen, one is the braves’, which I am listening right now.
By Oregon_Braves
March 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
McFann - You are seemingly on this blog 24-7. Of course you feel that home schooling is treating you well. What else do have to do anyway?
By KC
March 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
DOB: You’re reading too much into Yates pitching on consecutive days. That doesn’t mean they’re trading him.
He’s probably just pitching consecutive days because… Well, there could be a number of reas… Aaah, you’re right. He’s gone.
By TJ
March 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
If the Braves want an outfielder with a big bat, try to work something for Juan Rivera. $2 mil for ‘08, and the Angels would probably part with him. That guy can rake. ‘Course, it’d probably make Diaz all nervous again.
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Well I guess we can scrap all that Nelson for Joe Nathan trade talk.
By Renegator
March 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
Has Yates blown the game yet?
By Brian
March 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
I need a simple answer…..Will I be able to view any games shown on Peachtree through DISH Network if I reside outside of ATL, but still live in SW GA?????
Turner’s legacy is getting more and more screwed up……
By DAP
March 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
mcfann im a bad speller too…i understand. and i actually like home schoolers. i married one. she’s really smart, too, graduated college with a 3.95 GPA.
And when was the last time I “gave it to others about using caps, minor typos and mistakes”, anyway?
you did it to me yesterday.
things are going great, thanx for asking.
By buzz
March 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
If a deal was done for Nady he wouldnt play 130 games. he might play in 80 to 90.. Unless Diaz or Tex gets hurt. i would love to see him but i dont think its the best fit. Tex will play 150+ if he is not injuried and Cox will give Diaz every chance to keep the everyday job. Nady is a good hitter, but more of a gap to gap type of guy.
Anderson might be a singles type of hitter but he will steal more bases that Nady and he fits the Wren style. I dont think the Braves will go after someone that will is a versitle as Nady because they have plenty of people that can feel that role.. they want someone that’s more of a pure power hitter.
By George N. "Boston Brave" Spitz
March 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
Gregor Blanco and Martin Prado have All Star potential and should play every day. They virtually never make errors no matter where they play and they’ll never hit less than a 280 average, more likely over 300.
By ssiscribe
March 25, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
Can you imagine and outfield of Diaz, Kotsay, Francour, and Nady. Come on sometimes you have to give up talent and money to strike the fear of the opponent. They do the deal, that swagger that the Braves supposidly had years ago will be back.
Rooster: Nady gives the Braves back the swagger that’s been missing? Sorry, can’t see Nady doing that. I think this team already has that swagger back, that quiet confidence that they know they can compete for the division title and much more.
Nady is a nice player, agreed, but you don’t necessarily have to have power to play the outfield. Anderson gives this team speed — something the Braves traditionally don’t have — and is a solid hitter who plays good defense.
However getting Nady opens Bobby’s options if anyone gets hurt in the outfield and at 1B and not have to worry about a power drop off in the line-up.
No dude, if Tex were to get hurt, I don’t think having Nady would fill that void in the power department if you don’t have Tex in there at first base. Sorry.
TJ: Missed that about Patterson.
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By Andy K
March 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Any trade news yet DOB? I’m chomping’ at the bit!
By ernesto
March 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Just saw the Mets won, who blew the tie?
By Bryan
March 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Looks like the umps were in mid-season form. Run scoring opportunity in the ninth and the pitcher was about 6 inches from stepping on the bag at first and they call the runner out.
By Rooster
March 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
The Braves will not get the Angels Juan Rivera. Anaheim has already expressed that they wanted to keep him for their 25 man roster. Plus, they have a lot to play for while the Pirates don’t. Hence: Xavier Nady.
By Tony Gwynn
March 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Outfielders do NOT have to have power, Rooster.
By McFann
March 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
* Oregon_Braves*—
I’m not on this 24-7. I have school work to do: grammar, algebra, Latin, history, religion, all that stuff. I blog in my spare time, like when my brother’s finishing up his math and I’m already done, before we move on to something else, right after lunch, right now, after dinner, blah blah blah. Sheesh.
Sorry, DAP. I forgot. Was that about the number of games (45 or 47)? Mea culpa, I’m sorry.
Hey, your wife’s GPA is better than Oliver Perez’s ERA. That’s great!
Truce. : )
By buzz
March 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
i would not say that nady is a big power threat.. Hence the 62 homeruns in eight major league seasons. the only good year he had was for the pirates last year (2007) when he hit 20 and the year before that (2006) he hit a big THREE.
By Rooster
March 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Look I have accomplished my journalism 101 for the day start a argument. Listen people if Tex goes down we are better off in the power department than we would be with Rivera or anyone else available of the market. Also I have a news flash on those that say we need speed. The braves are not built for speed. They have a line-up that gets two one and three in. It called a power line-up. When I say get the swagger back, you are right if tex goes down no one can make that up but having someong that can hit 20-25 homers a year and carry a 280 average helps soften the blow of using tex and that my friend will frustrate the opponent. They need to know that if one goes down then the back up picks up slack. let me ask you Thorman or Nady, rest my case. That is the difference of possibly winning and losing. If you don’t bite into that concept then check the averages. Last time i checked as well nady is just as good on defense. He will play at least 3 times a week. Kotsay isn’t going to play 162. I said earlier he could play 130 that is if we loose someone for a long time (Kotsay, Franny could take one in the face again ). I am just stating that is how many quality games you could count him in. The worst playing time would be round 60-70 games. That is starting and doesn’t include the PH that he will get throughout the year so it would be easy to say that he still could see some sort of action in 130 games.
By Oh brother
March 25, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this
Gregor Blanco and Martin Prado have All Star potential and should play every day
Get real.
By bigchiefrg
March 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
I think we should put a sock in it over the debate whether golf is causing smoltzie injury issues. Anyone who has watched him laying on the line every time he steps between the white lines knows that he would never do anything to jeopardize his health for our beloved bravos.
By Rooster
March 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Let me also clear up power. They have to hit for more that just singles. Getting on base starts rallies, but doubles and triples increases the chances of scoring by 30 to 50 %. The Braves are not built for speed. Wren got Anderson because it was insurance in case he could not get a veteran CF. He needs to be traded becasue their is no future for him. The Braves have Heyword that will probably come to the bigs and play LF or 1B. that depends on the Tex signing. Shaffer is the CF of the future and for Jeff he isn’t going anywhere. Plus B. Jones has star upside. Not only that but if Diaz continues to rake the way he has in the past the Braves won’t beable to afford him.
By TheCutMan
March 25, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
By Tony Gwynn
March 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Outfielders do NOT have to have power, Rooster.
The race doesn’t always go to the swiftest or the strongest, but that’s the way to bet.
By Oregon_Braves
March 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
Just kidding, McFann. We love you here. (Even though I’m leaving a small percentage chance that you might be some 40ish bald dude in Peoria.)
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Soriano had three strikeouts today, not two. That gives him seven in his past three innings….
By the way, Braves made it official today: Jurrjens starts Game 3. It’s Hudson, Glavine (home opener), Jurrjens and Hampton to begin the season. Then it would go Huddy and Glavine again before Smoltz returns from DL, provided his shoulder is ready….
Did someone really say Blanco and Prado have All-Star potential? You’re talking major league All-Star potential?….
By Oregon_Braves
March 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
bigchiefrg - Nice post.
By buzz
March 25, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
i never said that Anderson was a franchise player i said he was a good fit for this team without a lot of speed. Anderson adds a good element to the team someone that can score from first on a double, (unlike someone with 1st baseman or catchers speed) which comes with most power hitters. and i have a interview on my lap top where Wren said this team will have a lot more speed braves’ than teams in the past. i know what the future holds for this team i have seen all of their minor league teams play over the past year and a half.
By Thrillhouse44
March 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
Soriano is the shizz. I still say he needs the Wu-Tang playing when he makes his appearances.
By buzz
March 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
i merely stated that i read on atlantabraves.com that Cox was quoted that he believed that both Blanco and Prado could have All-Star potential. you dont have to be a “super star” so to speak to be a an all star. if thats the case then we need to start trimming down the ballots even more.
By Steve McP
March 25, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
So it looks like the Mets will have to face Hudson, Glavine and Smoltz - wow I am delighted I decided to get down to Atlanta for that series (probably my only trip until May)
I am staying downtown for the first time (the hotels by the Ted had racked their prices for that weekend) and was wondering if anyone knew if there was public transport from downtown to the field on gamedays? I have often seen a line of buses outside Turner Field after games, but don’t know what areas they serve.
By Jim
March 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
Is B. Nelson the Bubba Nelson we traded to Cincy for Reitsma a few years ago?
By Canuckbravesfan
March 25, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
I’m a little concerned with the assumption by many of our bloggers that Jurrjens is the real deal. His last two outings have not been impressive when he’s had to face more big league hitters than he did in his first few outings. Without getting inside the numbers, I feel that too many of these young pitchers are being rushed to the big team without learning the art of pitching. Jurrjens has very little experience above AA and his numbers there were hardly overpowering. Jo-Jo also very thin on experience above A ball, and it shows. Players like James, Bennett and Carlyle may not have the potential that Jurrjens does or the skills he possesses, but they seem to know more about pitching. I just hope we don’t end up jerking this kid around like we have done with others (Devine & Davies, eg) and instead let him develop and improve properly.
By bigchiefrg
March 25, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
Steve Mcp—-There are a bunch of hotels that make turner field easily accessable from around underground atlanta. Buses go to and fro very frequently. Try there at the CNN/hockey/olympic area. Had some good luck from there last year.
By northBeach Scott
March 25, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Attending on on Cactus league game, dodgers @ brewers. Furcal stroked screaming 2B into RF corner. Just like old times.
Andruw is not as fat as some have suggested. He looks like he normally does. While he struckout his first appearance we worked the count and did not look silly. He also k’d the 2nd ab on any outside heater. He does not look too bad, but he also does not look like $18M player. Bill Hall beat Andruw’s throw from shallow LCenter field to the plate. Throw was accurate, but not hard.
By OrlandoFan
March 25, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
Blanco and Prado absolutely have all-star potential. Provided they can afford the tickets.
By BT
March 25, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Heard Buck calling you a new member of the 680 Team. Big Bucks now! Right there with Chris Mortenson. No kidding, way to go. Any publicity is good publicity.
By Section 412
March 25, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
Steve McP - the buses are MARTA buses, which take you to the Five Points train station. From there, if your hotel is near the rail line, you are set. It’s not perfect, but it’s pretty efficient, and often a better option than driving and parking.
By buzz
March 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
go to Cox tell him he is wrong about prado and blanco, not me i have not been in the pro ball for 30+ year. i doubt anyone in here could say they have either.
By Daniel Plainview
March 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
Oh, and if you’re ever in Winter Haven, do yourselves a favor and stop by Andy’s Igloo.
Ha! I’ll drink your milkshake Mister O’Brien!
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
CanuckBravesFan, I disagree. Jurrjen’s performance two games ago was dismal. But his last performance was just fine. Yes he had baserunners, but that is what happens when a pitcher aims for contact. He scattered runners, and allowed what amounted to about a runner per inning until the last inning. He got out of those situations by inducing grounds outs or getting Ks-exactly what you want to see. Pitching this way allows a lower pitch count, which in turn helps the pen. That is perfect from a 5 starter.
He did blow up in the last inning. So did John Smoltz in his last outing, and so did Mike Hampton. That is what happens in spring training. When you stretch out, you get fatigued at the end. I really like what I saw out of JJ last time.
I am still a tiny bit worried about Soriano. He looked nasty today, but again the velocity on his fastball was only 91. Gonzo was nasty last spring even when the velocity on his fastball dipped into the 80s. It did that, though, because of elbow soreness (even though he denied he felt any). And we know how that worked out.
I believe Soriano when he says he feels fine, but it still makes me a bit anxious. Hopefully he hits those mid 90s again soon. I know he doesn’t get amped up in non-pressure situations, so maybe that is all it is.
By Steve McP
March 25, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the help folks, I am well set for getting there now.
By Canuckbravesfan
March 25, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
Epinephrine
I hope you are right about Jurrjens—just expressing my concern about our pattern with young pitchers. We will have to see JJ’s body of work over the next few starts to be sure. Thanks for your response. I’m a long way out here on the West Coast and have not had the chance to watch any of the new guys work.
By flange1
March 25, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this
Afternoon All,
Interesting to read everyone’s thoughts on bench players. I would choose a guy that played 1B and 3B over an outfielder if I had a choice.
I like both Blanco and Anderson and wish we could keep both. I think Blanco is the better hitter and Anderson is a better base runner. They both are good in the field and have good arms.
Yates has pitched 2 days in a row. Interesting. As our fearless leader has suggested this could be to showcase him for a trade. OR
It could be that they feel he has worked out his mechanical problem and the Braves have not yet made a decision on which relievers to keep and which to trade/waive.
My gut says to keep Resop and Boyer, but there is something in the back of my mind that will not let me let Yates go. Maybe it is just because Bobby has confidence in him and he is a known commodity.
Only a few more days to go! I am hoping for another FW trade that will have all of us jumping up and down for joy.
Time will tell!
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
By ObiWanKobe
March 25, 2008 2:19 AM | Link to this
Hey Met Man; When the Braves play their first home playoff (hopefully Glavine is throwing) & the Mets are at home, I’ll fly you & Anders down for the game and get you guys great seats (one’s that will put you both on national tv). I’ll also get the both of you pink Bobby Coxs’ jerseys, pink cleats inculded. You get to wear your Mets hats or visiors. The catch is the both of you will have signs provided by me that say “I(HEART SYMBOL) COX”. You will stand and hold these signs up each half inning & pitching change. So if you are willing to put your behind where your mouth is let me know. I can fly out of Burbank or LAX & I have a place to stay in NYC. Game on?
NY is home, I will always have a place there. Your challenge seems a little off. I have to wear that Booby Crap because what, you are paying for tciekts? Thats not good enough. Make a challenge now like who will win the season series or a particular series during the season then make a postseason wager. Besides the METS will be there as Dvision Winners while the braves and philthies compete for the wild card if doesnt come out of the West. I’m all for wagering but it has to be even on both ends.
By woogidy
March 25, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
I know this subject has been brought up before, but if you have trouble downloading the blog, or if it takes a while, get Mozilla Firefox 2.0. I have made the switch and it is much quicker.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 25, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this
What really amazes me is this. If Jeff Bennett were with the Mets , Marlins , Nationals or a few other teams , he would be in their rotation.
This guy’s talent is so underrated.
As for Mark Kotsay , I’m not sold on him yet.
Blanco or Anderson , I’ll go with Anderson just because of his pure speed , better range and his proven base stealing ability.
O’Brien made a good observation concerning Yates pitching two days in a row. He’s on the block.
The Mets didn’t want the Braves to see Santana , which is why he didn’t pitch today and so the skulldudgery begins anew.
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this
Got a quick comparison to make for Metman in regards to his impartial distain for Chipper and his apparent man love for David Wrong.
Last year Wrong…160G/604AB/113R/196H/42-2b/ 1-3b/30-HR/107-RBI/94-BB/115-SO/ .416-OBP/.546-SLG/.325 AVG
Chipper…134G/513AB/108R/173H/42-2b/ 4-3b/29-HR/102-RBI/82-BB/75-SO/ .425-OBP/.604-SLG/.337 AVG
How does it feel to have your “Stud’s” offensive performance either beaten or matched by the often injured Chipper? I mean, come on man Chipper was on the DL for like a total of 10 weeks last year and he still caught or passed Wrong in almost every offensive category.
Its real easy when you have a light schedule and take several vactions during the season. Hampton, Pavano, Chumper…great guys with weak bodies!!
By TJ
March 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this
Canuck, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be concerned about Jurrjens. He’s very young, so of course there’s little history to rely on.
What I like is that he pitches more like a 10-year veteran. Keeps the ball down, doesn’t try to overthrow. The stats I like are 0 HR in over 16 IP; 28 ground outs to 12 fly outs. And, only 111 pitches thrown in those 16.67 innings - less than 7 per inning (I almost can’t believe that number, but that’s what mlb.com reports).
Granted, this isn’t against everybody’s top hitters, but these are the kind of numbers that keep a guy from getting shelled.
How many fireballing kids have we brought through with “dominant stuff”, but who walked a batter an inning and had to throw 20 pitches to get through an inning? JJJ is very interesting to me, in this respect.
I don’t expect him to dominate, but if he can stay with what got him this far, he should be pretty effective in the 4/5 spot.
By McFann
March 25, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
Just kidding, McFann. We love you here. Oregon Brave
Thanks, dude.
40ish? Bald? Ha ha, hardly! And I don’t live in Peoria (can’t stand them D-Backs!). I live in Atlanta, home of YOUR ATLANTA BRAVES!!
I’m ready to hear that at a game!! So ready……
By BT
March 25, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this
After listening to DOB on the radio today it sounds like the only way Braves fans are going to be jumping up and down with joy after the trade is if we are crazy about Wes Helms. DOB says we will probably trade two of our out of option pitchers and a hitter and get someone like Helms. Hopefully, my paraphrasing of DOB was relatively close.
By ncscoots
March 25, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
i know what the future holds for this team i have seen all of their minor league teams play over the past year and a half.
Hey, buzz, no offense, but I’ve seen every Braves minor league franchise, at every level including rookie ball, every year for the last six years, and I can tell you exactly what the future holds: surprises and disappointments. Forecasting anything other than that is merely an exercise in opinion.
Tools and talent don’t equate to skills. If they did, every first-rounder would be ready for the bigs the day after the draft. Even those rare players that catch your eye early in the minors can go bust, and even kids who seemed doomed to fail can find the magic switch.
Heck, I’ve been wrong about so many kids in the minors, I can’t even count that high with Braveheart’s calculator. But I’ve been right about a couple, too. Guess that’s why I keep making sure I see them every year.
But, you and I, my friend…I think we’ve been seeing the same players in parallel dimensions.
By Tomahawkin
March 25, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
KC I’m up here in Bentonville AR. (Home of Wal-Mart, if ya didn’t know), Not using that as an excuse, but usually if the Braves are in St Louis I’d rather catch them there, so I can give cardinal fans Ish… when we go up there…
By Jim
March 25, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this
As it turned out, the Mets could have pitched Santana today as very few of the regulars were on the trip anyway.
I find it curious how Bennett is the new darling of this blog based upon a very limited body of work, and how a guy that has won 22 major league games in 1 and 1/2 years has become little more than an afterthought. I hope Bennett is as good as some of you think he is, but I hope that opinion is based upon more than he isnone of the above..(Davies, Redman, JoJo, and Carlyle).
By Tomahawkin
March 25, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this
No Waste Helms! Has anyone other than me seen how he did last season…he’s horrible…All Phillies fans will call him slow deadweight who struggled as much as he did while hitting in a hitters paradise…He’ll do worse hitting down here, plus I wasn’t impressed with him when he was with us from 2000-2001
Trade the relievers for some speed that can come off the bench…
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
Jim , ignorance is bliss.
By Jared
March 25, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
No one here seems to like Scott Thorman. So why trade for the 32 year-old version of Scott Thorman in Wes Helms?
Helms in 2007: .246/.297/.368 with five homeruns in 280 at-bats.
Thorman in 2007: .216/.258/.394 with eleven homeruns in 287 at-bats.
Helms is nothing but an older, more expensive version of Thorman with less upside. Please leave that mistake with the division-rival Phillies.
By buzz
March 25, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
ncscoots i dont remember saying that everyone in the franhise was great b/c they have a lot of hype, if i did i am sorry. i am one of the first ones to say that just because you have good skills doesnt mean you will be successful. i have a cousin that has been in the braves farm system for 4 years and he throws in the mid 90s and has a very good slider but that doesnt mean that he will ever be a a major league pitcher. i would like to think he is bc i think he is that good but you never know till you get there. read that again and tell me where it says that i said they were all major league talent or all stars are even all good.. i dont think i could trust your judgment on a player if you cant even read a simple blog correctly. i didnt pass judgement on any of the players in that comment
By buzz
March 25, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
ncscoots i dont remembering even saying the future is bright or not.. i thought i said i know what the future holds. so how would you know what i think about all of the players.. i mean come on.. i believe braves will be good in the future but not just based on these players. crap i have a cousin playing in the minors that throws in the mid-90s and has a slider. but that doesnt mean he will ever make it.. it’s just really hard to be successful in pro ball. i think he will get there and be good bc of his work ethic.
but i do not ever recall passing any positive or negative judgement on any of the minor league clubs or players. if i did i am sorry. so there is no way you could know what i think about their system by ONE BLOG.. come on..
tools and talents do equate to skills.. they dont equate to success… just because frechy is a five tool player doesnt mean he will be successful throughout his whole career. but i think we all think he will but he just has it..
IF I DIDNT SAY THE WORDS, DONT ASSUME THATS WHAT I MEAN.
By McFann
March 25, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t want Helms……even if we gave up Yates…
By northBeach Scott
March 25, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
Coach props for the awesome use of sculldudgery. Word of the day, especially in awell thought out post.
Tomahawkin i endured on on year in Fayetteville on on few years ago. Great work experience, but what on on price to pay on the personal side. You know you have on on good wife to stick with you as mine did during that time.
I like one of the earlier proposals regarding possible Scott Hattiburg for Pena and Yates. He is the kind of bench player who could help.
By jrjags
March 25, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this
If we’re looking for a power bat off of the bench, we should inquire about Marcus Thames from the Tigers. He doesn’t have a great average, but he does have some pop. Wren has a good relationship with Dombrowski, and the Tigers are desperate for relievers while we have excess. I don’t know how Curtis Granderson’s finger injury might affect Detroit’s willingness to deal an outfielder though.
By Jared
March 25, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this
Jim, welcome to my world. All this Bennett kool-aid drinking (I hope it was at least grape) is mind boggling. What has he done? Been released by the Brewers, pitched 13 of apparently the most outstanding three-and-a-half ERA innings of baseball of all time ever for the Atlanta Braves late last season and pitched good in spring training (that and a few bucks will get you a cup of coffee).
Chuck James meanwhile had a league average season for the Braves last season, and since everyones’ expectations of him were so high coming of his 2006 season, it was a terrible season. The fact is James was an average third starter last season, and would have been a huge plus in the fourth of fifth starter slots. In fact, the difference between James and the lower pitchers like Mark Redman, Lance Cormier, Jo-Jo Reyes and Buddy Carlyle was so great, it’s very likely the Braves would have won the division had they had two Chuck James, the original and one to take a spot from the aforementioned four (Redman, Cormier, etc.) back-end starters.
James is 22-14 with a 4.00 ERA in his career. He was outstanding in the minor leagues. And yet he’s taken a backseat to journeyman Jeff Bennett. Geez some people are short-sighted. I think time will definitely prove who is the superior and who is the inferior starter between James and Bennett. And my educated guess is the released-for-a-reason journeyman will not come out on top in that battle.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 25, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this
Wes Helms plays 1B and 3B , Thorman can only play 1B.
Helms is only marginally better on offense , but because he plays both corner positions , his value is higher.
By woogidy
March 25, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this
I think Thames costs the Braves a reliever (Yates, Boyer, Resop) and one of the middle infield prospects, maybe even Lil’bridge. Is it worth it? The Braves end up with an African American for two American Americans. :)
By ernesto
March 25, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this
Agreed on the sequel to the Wes Helms experiment. Nobody needs to see that movie again.
don’t think there’s a chance we get Nady, but that would be a killer signing.
Other than that, the list of bats out there isn’t too exciting, maybe trade Yates and Thor for prospects.
I don’t know why we have all this reticence to keep Pena. I think he’ll hit, why not at least take a flyer on him til the All-Star break, when there will be much better hitters available if we need one.
By Rooster
March 25, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this
Ok DOB and fellow bloggers I was being a little un-realistic earlier about the Nady thing. Like many I was bored at work and wanted to spice up the day with a little argument. Anyhow, getting serious for a moment I am not looking forward to the Braves getting Helms. He will never come because teh Braves are not going to trade their bullpen help to a division rival and with the Phils contending that will be the craziest thing Wren has done to date. I really look for the Braves to push for Scott Hatteberg for back-up 1B and PH, Juan Rivera, guy can play anywhere, but Angels have already insisted he is on their 25 man roster. I hope they consider Chone Figgins, but with his size not an ideal 1B if tex goes down. However, he would be great at 3B if Chipper goes on the DL. Would also be great if Kotsay or any other outfielder goes down. HE ALSO IS FAST AS HELLLLLLOO. So I propose Anderson, JJ Reyes and Yates to Anaheim for Figgins. Angels get much needed starter and Braves get ride of Yates. Everyone is a winner.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this
BT, I did not say they’d trade two of those guys for a Helms. I said the Braves are trying to trade for a bench player with some pop, that a Marcus Thames would be great but they might be asking too much for him, and Braves might settle for Helms or someone of that ilk.
That does NOT mean they trade two or three out-of-options players for Helms. They could get a low-level prospect in another deal. They could get anything in another deal, entirely separate from whatever deal they might make to get a Helms-ian level player.
We’ll see. We should know soon enough. Better not be Thursday night, when I’m on a flight to Atlanta.
By ncscoots
March 25, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this
buzz, you had me at “Hello”, but you lost me at “Prado and Blanco”.
Believe I read that simple blog correctly, no?
As for whether other bloggers share my opinion of a player, well, that matters hardly a whit. The beating of chests and the need for validation by strangers, I leave to others. When it comes to evaluating players, I’m either right or wrong…consensus, or the lack of it, contributes nothing to the outcome.
By buzz
March 25, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
SORRY ABOUT THE DOUBLE POST. MY INTERNET WENT DOWN AND I DIDNT THINK IT EVER SUBMITTED..
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 25, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this
Yo Jared , put the crack pipe down.
Bennett is the sixth man , James is in Richmond.
I wonder why Cox is the manager and your not ?
DUH !
By Steve McP
March 25, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this
Maybe Tyler Yates pitched two days in a row because he is a reliever and they wanted to check how he coped with that - seems to me he did pretty well both days and has probably added to the Braves headaches rather than solved anything for them.
Isn’t it great though that we are talking about our main deficiency being not having a good enough back up 1st and 3rd baseman and also we are talking about which pitchers we do without, rather than trying to find everyday players and calling guys out of their basement to pitch as we did last year.
I have a good feeling that, if people stay healthy (like any team) we will have a great season.
By ObiWanKobe
March 25, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this
It’s all there Met man, I’m saying the Braves are in the play-offs and the Mets aren’t, I assume you would counter with the Mets in and the Braves out.
By JimD
March 25, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this
Y’all seem to forget one little important factoid about Chuckie: he’s recooping a sore shoulder!!!! That is why Bennett is ahead of him right now.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this
jared, now that was an example of making a strong case, on Bennett/James. Fine job. Not saying I agree or disagree, just that you made a good point….
Guys, relax on Helms. Braves aren’t going to give up anything of value to get him. More likely, they’d wait first to see if Phillies release him.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 25, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this
At any rate , I’ll stop arguing with the kids.
I agree , Marcus Thames ( plays 1B , LF and RF) would be a great addition and my first choice.
If it takes Scott Thorman and Tyler Yates to get him , so be it. Ask for a player to be named later and count your blessings.
By Jon1
March 25, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this
Its real easy when you have a light schedule and take several vactions during the season. Hampton, Pavano, Chumper…great guys with weak bodies!! Metman
Excuses, excuses! As much as I know you hate it you have to admit that David Wright hasn’t quite caught up to Chipper just yet in the offensive production category.
He is a great player who has many more years until he gets to his peak. Wright had Chipper beat in one area last year, games played and at bats.
If Chipper can put a season together were he stays healthy (or at least not on the DL for 2 1/2 Months) he is going to leave allot of you Mets fans crying. It’s just ridiculous how good he still is at his age and with his previous injuries. Do you think the same can be said about David Wright after he has played 15 years or so at the hot corner in the bigs?
Do understand the whole weak schedule thing. Don’t we play you guys like 19 times a year? Oh, never mind that explains the weak schedule. :-)
By buzz
March 25, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this
actually u didnt read it again!! gah, i said i read thats what cox said in an article about blanco and prado.. read more on the subject then try and tell me off or whatever you are doing.. dont pass judgement on me and then act like a good guy by saying you leave it to other. that’s being a bit hypocritical. i’m not name calling just the way it looks.
By Atown
March 25, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this
DOB, great choice w/ the Robert Earl. That’s a personal fav album of mine. Gotta love the line from “Feels so Good, Feeling Good Again”, “a chill north wind was blowing, but the spring was coming on as I wondered to myself just how long i had been gone.” Could that sort of summarize your spring training experience and your desire to get the hell out of Dark Star and back to ATL, season opener, etc?
Thanks for the wonderful work you do keeping us diehards updated as we countdown till the first pitch. Truly a special blog and I look forward to following it daily during this sure-to-be exciting season.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
Don’t forget Morgan Ensberg’s possibly available. But obviously Thames is way above the other names that have been tossed around. He’s got 44 homers in just over 600 at-bats the past two seasons. Yeah, that’s a big stick. Just don’t know how much it’d take to pry him away, if merely a combination of the Braves out-of-options guys would do it. Seems doubtful.
By Jared
March 25, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
Bennett is the sixth man , James is in Richmond.
That’s retarded. It’s like saying “Bennett is better than Smoltz. The proof is that Bennett has a better chance of being on the Braves’ opening day 25-man roster.”
James is going to Richmond to get innings that he missed in spring training. If Hampton goes down or Jurrjens starts pitching terribly and the Braves need a starter to make more than one start, James will get the call long before Bennett.
By TJ
March 25, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
Jim, Jared: I for one have not forgotten about Chuckie, or moved Bennett ahead of him on my depth chart (as though it matters!).
Chuck will play a big role in Atlanta, unless somehow all of our starters stay healthy and effective for 200 innings each (which, I’ll bet the mortgage, will not happen).
Bennett has looked good. He’s a guy you could put in the pen, and feel okay about; and have start a game here and there, and be okay there too. That’s a good thing.
But I’m pretty sure that if a starter goes down or fails, Chuck (once he builds his arm strength) will be the first one up to replace him. It’s very nice luxury to have.
He’s getting no play on the blog because he’s not pitching for the big club; out of sight, out of mind, I guess.
By Sir Stealth
March 25, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this
I don’t really see the Braves getting someone for their bench who would be that much of an upgrade. I’d rather see them trade for prospects. Don’t expect anything much, maybe a low level starter who could offer us something down the road. I agree that “upgrading” to Wes Helms over Thorman seems pointless. Thorman still has upside potential and has power. Is he really worse than the type of bench player that a team would be willing to part with? Who cares if Helms or someone can play 3b as well as 1b? We already have Prado, Infante (when he comes back) and Lillibridge in the meantime to back up that position if necessary. If you want a multiple position guy. I like Pena as the backup catcher - it’s nice to have one that can actually hit some. I say keep Blanco/Anderson, Prado, Pena, Thorman, and Lillibridge (until Infante returns, then send him back down). Trade the leftover relievers for whatever prospects we can get to try to supplement the farm. My only huge preference there is that I’d like to see Boyer on the team.
By Lew
March 25, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this
Jim-Re: Bennett-Dude, we’re proposding him as a fifth/sixth starter, for crying out loud. No one has forgotten Chuck, but he will open the season on the DL. When he returns, Bennett will be a long reliever/spot starter for our pitchers who will need an occasional start off. That’s all. No one is considering him replacing Smoltz or Hudson in the rotation.
MetroDude-Full of crap as usual. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Comparing Chipper to Hampton and Pavano? Right. Great comparison there. Pavano has missed the better part of four years and Hampton 2 1/2. Chipper missed all of 28 games last year (still putting up Wright numbers).
Maybe a better look at games missed would be had by studying the Mets’ lineup-Pedro minus 1+ yrs.. Sanchez minus 1+ yrs.. Alou, minus 75 games. Beltran minus 18 games. Del Gado minus 23 games. Castillo minus 27 games. Just who is it that is missing time? The season hasn’t even started and it looks like Moises will miss at least 25-30 games.
By northBeach Scott
March 25, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this
Jared and Jim ,some of the Bennett love is perhaps unwarrented, but he seems to have abetter idea how to pitch than Chucky. I have to believe some of this situation is to get Chucky’s attention and then get him to focus. He will pitch in ATL this season.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this
Does it even feel like the major league season began today? Because it did. On the other side of the world.
Dumb decision by baseball. Stupid.
OK, I’m going to go drive back to the Orlandopolis now.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
sn’t it great though that we are talking about our main deficiency being not having a good enough back up 1st and 3rd baseman and also we are talking about which pitchers we do without, rather than trying to find everyday players and calling guys out of their basement to pitch as we did last year.Steve McP
True that.
The road goes on forever…
later
By Patrick
March 25, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this
DOB
With all due respect, I couldn’t disagree more with your take on how fans will react to Glavine’s return to Atlanta. I already have tickets to the game, and I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised at the HUGE ovation he receives when his name is called for the first time. I think “The Ted” is going to be rocking Monday night!!
By Jared
March 25, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this
Not at all O’Brien. I didn’t even know the Red Sox and the Athletics had a game today, and if it was on television I didn’t get a chance to see any of it.
I was surprised to read about a regular-season game being played today. I thought the Braves and Nationals were playing the first game this Sunday night on ESPN.
By McFann
March 25, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this
Yeah, starting the season in Tokyo was dumb. I mean…what was the point?
By TexasBrave
March 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this
Although Bennett has done well in the short amount of innings that he has pitched, the fact remains that he has only thrown 3 consecutive innings once. I think timing will be everything. If an injury happens to a starter early then perhaps Bennett fills in or even bring up Jo-Jo or Buddy since they have thrown more innings.
However, if it is later in the season once Chuck has gotten some innings in then I have to believe the Braves will go with Chucky. He is the more proven starter.
Another factor is how quickly they need the starter brought up. I have seen it happen were they bring someone up because it is their time to pitch in the minor league rotation and perhaps Chuck threw a few days before and will not have had the proper days rest.
By Jeff Bennett
March 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this
Jared: Did I knock up your sister years ago or something? Jeez, I am the long man/spot starter.
For now, Chuckie is ahead of me. But, when I end up winning 8-10 for the Braves this year, I will be looking for your azz.
By Lew
March 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this
There’s been a lot of dismay directed towards Kotsay’s defense here in recent days and I’m not so sure it’s warranted.
Now, I am basing this comparison on basic stats and have not gotten into any of the “Shaun” stats like range and all that esoteric stuff, but let’s look at him compared to Andruw-at least in rudimentary fashion.
For their careers-Andruw played 1641 games, Kotsay 913-hardly equal, but a decent sample size.
Andruw had 4,289 Put outs, or 2.06 PO per game played.-Kotsay averaged 2.04 per game.
Andruw has 37 errors, or one every 44 games-Kotsay has 27 Errors or one every 34 games. A difference of one error per 162 games more than Andruw.
Andruwe has 101 assists, or one every 16 games averaging 10 per 162 games. Kotsay has 65 assists or one every 14 games, averaging 11 per 162 games.
Andruw’s career Fielding % is .987, Kotsay’s is .988.
Now of course, after watching Andruw play for so many years, no one will claim any center fielder is better, but I think these figures should at least give Kotsay the benefit of the doubt as to his abilities. You can’t take two spring training plays into account and forget all else he has accomplished. With his back problems, maybe he has not been going all out, but we didn’t sign some defensive slouch, either.
By Wayne in Utah
March 25, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this
WHASSUUPPP???
By McFann
March 25, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this
Hiya, Wayne!!
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this
Jared, here is the problem with your James analysis.
James did indeed blaze through the minor leagues. Why? Because he has an average fastball and a plus change up (and it is a really good change up). That is enough to dominate minor league ball. But it isn’t enough to be consistently good in the major leagues. That was obvious last year. While in James rookie year he had solid numbers, it wasn’t long before people caught on. Thus James began to get hit around. Major league hitters are too good to be consistently fooled by one good pitch. His ERA, IP, and Ws dropped accordingly.
Guys with two good pitches usually end up in the bullpen. But James gives up far too many homeruns for that. Thus, he is unsuitable as a long relief guy. He also has poor control, which means he usually hits the 100 pitch mark in the 4th or 5th inning. The combination of those two factors-innings pitched and home runs allowed, means that James places a serious strain on the bullpen as a starter. That is a problem.
As a third starter, that just doesn’t work. As a fifth starter, it may well still be ahead of the “league average” (depending on what rate people continue to figure James out).
So sure, one solution is to throw James in the 5 spot. But I am not willing to write the guy off at that level. I think a far, far better solution is to send him to Richmond where he can work on his slider-the absolute key for him to reach his ceiling as a 2 or 3 guy.
As for Bennett-yup, he’s a journeyman with questionable numbers. But its undeniable that he has performed very well over the last year. Further, his drastic weight loss and performance in the winter league give people reason to believe that he might have finally figured it out. If not, his ability to throw strikes and induce ground balls still make him a better candidate for the 5th starter. Unlike James, I think Bennett fills that role nicely.
So for me-yeah, I will take Bennett over James as the spot starter. Bennett fits that role, whereas James is still in need of development that can help him play a much bigger role in the Braves future.
By TJ
March 25, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this
Yeah, starting the season in Tokyo was dumb. I mean…what was the point?
The point was selling about a gajillion dollars worth of MLB merchandise in Japan.
Shameless.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 25, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this
Jared , your three feet thick between the ears and a real brainiac.
The Brewers didn’t release Bennett , he became a minor league free agent.
They didn’t offer the man a contract because he was coming off T.J. surgery.
In fact , the Braves voided the first contract they had with Bennett because he failed his physical.
Bennett is a 19th round 1998 pick. James was drafted in the 20th round in 2002.
James pitched his way right out of the rotation last year by posting an ERA of 5.68 during his last ten starts. I’m sure Jared was aware of this startling fact.
Major league hitters figured him out last season. They started laying off his change up , sat on his 89-90 MPH fastball and lit him up for 32 HR’s.
More numbers that I’m sure Jared already knew about.
Jeff Bennett has done nothing but impress the Braves and Bobby Cox.
Call him a journeyman if you want , he has sold Bobby Cox and I concur.
Jeff Bennett pitched well for Richmond , came up to Atlanta and impressed the hell out of everybody in his two quality starts.
He went down to Venezuela and pretty much dominated there in winter ball.
The man lost weight , showed up in shape and after getting over the flue he has posted an ERA of 2.70 in 10 innings of work so far.
Jeff Bennett is a ground ball pitcher with good control. Throws a mid-nineties four seam fastball , two seam sinker , curveball , slider and change up. That’s five big league pitches. James has two , go figure ?
If your still not sold , he will be on the mound tomorrow. The scouts , Bobby Cox and I will be watching.
By McFann
March 25, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this
Shameless is the word, TJ.
By BT
March 25, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
Did not mean to misquote or “mis-paraphrase” you David. I just got concerned about the Helms statement - not your fault. Did not get the part about waiting for him to be released.
Hope we do more than that. Helms does not seem like a blockbuster move.
By tvsportscaster
March 25, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
I think Thames is exactly who the Braves are after. It is no coincidence that Yates pitched for a second straight day. It’s also no secret, the Tigers need bullpen help and with Inge playing Centerfield while Granderson is hurt and Vance Wilson hurt, they need a backup catcher, hence, Tyler Yates and Bryan Pena for Thames.
By Wayne in Utah
March 25, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this
McLillyFann Got your homework done tonight?
I will be watching my Jazz in a while take on the mighty Raptors. I will try to blog some quarterly updates, as I am certain all are interested!! :-)
Coach & Epinephrine Good analysis on CJ vs Bennett.
I still have high hopes for Chuckie, but until he increases his pitch selection and learns how to pitch…..
Who know, Bennett may fall on his face this year. He may wash out. But the dude is doing all the right things right now that signal to me he might be a keeper.
Pitching is such a touchy thing. This is the reason that few teams actually homegrow their staffs, as the individual pitchers have to go through a much more difficult task of learning how to be a pitcher in the bigs. That is why many figure it out on their 2nd or 3rd team.
Well, its off to the grocery store, but I will return. Consider yourself warned!
By mitchie-san
March 25, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this
I have a strong feeling that Morgan Ensberg is on his way….
By chippersbf
March 25, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this
why do you keep calling the disney sports complex dark star, its a great place and i find it annoying that you call it that
By rusty
March 25, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this
David:
I always read these blogs and figure I’ll see a bunch of music comments…never do.
Anyway, loved yesterday’s blog about your new music choices; you’re more diverse than I am. But have you discover Ryan Bingham yet? If not check out his My Space page and order Mescalito today.
By TJ
March 25, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
tvsportscaster, the difficulty I see with that is that both Yates and Pena are out of options, so the Tigers would have to clear two roster spots while giving up just one. Maybe they have a guy on their roster who they’d be happy to send down … I don’t think so, but I don’t know their team that well. But this late in the game, that sounds like a tough move for them, or for any team who is taking on two out-of-options players.
By TimDz
March 25, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this
Nationals fan here…looking forward to having you up to DC to open up the new ball park this weekend.
A Braves fan hit up a Washington Post blog and asked about who will be starting for Washington (Odalis Perez…God give us strength) and I was wondering who gets the start for the Braves… We have a young pitching rotation here in DC, much like you all had with Glavine and Smoltz back in the day. We have some decent arms that should be ready in a few years. Kasten is about 50/50 in the support vs. detractor department. I am in the supporter group myself and look at the perennial contender he built in Atlanta. How is Stan viewed in Atlanta?
By Robert
March 25, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
Hudson is going against Washington
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this
Chippersbf,
I think I can speak for the rest of the normal world when I say, I find you annoying.
Terrible songs every ten seconds (except unintentional blaring of Afternoon Delight). And despite the overuse of the word, I mean horrible music literally every time there is a moment of silence or peace. Weird 1940s advertisements encouraging you to get your girlfriend drunk. A psychotic vendor that insists on singing, “peanuts, cracker jacks, sunflower seeds” in the most obnoxious and tone deaf voice you can imagine. Calling the 7th Inning Stretch the Baseball Sing Along. Susie Q. Fireworks during the National Anthem. Horrible, horrible hot dogs and hamburgers. The list goes on.
The entire complex is an abomination and frankly I find it amazing that the Braves suffer no lasting effects. If DOB needs to call it Dark Star to keep his sanity, then more power to the guy.
By Bob Bob
March 25, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Jon1 - you forget a couple things in ur comparisons b/t wright and chipper. how bout stolen bases? 34 for wright only 5 for jones! how bout wright in august/september = 207 AB, 12 HR, 41 RBI, 10 SB, 3 CS, .372/.474/.628. He raked so much down the stretch it was literally ridiculous. dont forget WHO WON THE GOLD GLOVE!
By woogidy
March 25, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
DOB, I echoed your last post last week. Yes, It does feel good that we are talking about bench players being the weak spot on the team. …. I am sure FW will make the move when you’re on the plane. ….What about Dimitri Young off the bench? Scott Hatteberg? He may lose a job to Joey Votto.
By TennesseePaul
March 25, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
James pitched his way right out of the rotation last year by posting an ERA of 5.68 during his last ten starts. I’m sure Jared was aware of this startling fact
As I’m sure you are aware James pitched himself into a torn rotator cuff trying to fill in the back of the rotation all by himself. In his last 4 starts he was 2-0 (the team went 4-0) with a 4.05 ERA (League average was 4.43) and in the 21 starts before July 31st he posted an ERA 3.55.
He sure did a crummy job stepping up for the team in his first full season as a starter. Maybe, if the team is lucky, he’ll be traded for a Greg Norton.
It’s great to know that 6 minor league starts and 2 MLB starts propels the 28 year old career minor leaguer to the top of the depth chart.
By Jared
March 25, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this
I’m really about sick of this subject, but here goes for hopefully the last time.
Bennett is a 19th round 1998 pick. James was drafted in the 20th round in 2002.
So frickin’ what? Smoltz was picked in the 22nd round. What the heck does this have to do with the present?
James pitched his way right out of the rotation last year by posting an ERA of 5.68 during his last ten starts. I’m sure Jared was aware of this startling fact.
Nice cherry-picking. What’s next? Glavine’s ERA in his final three starts in 2007? The fact is that James was the Braves’ third best starter last season. He had over 160 innings of 4.24 ERA baseball. James won eleven games. Also no other Atlanta Braves’ pitcher outside of Smoltz, Hudson and James even reached 110 innings last season. James was valuable to this team.
Call him a journeyman if you want , he has sold Bobby Cox and I concur.
Sold him apparently for a spot in the bullpen as the new Oscar Villarreal (long relief and a start every now-and-then as needed). That’s not something that bothers me at all. It’s wanting Jeff Bennett in the starting rotation regularly where I have the real problem. Thankfully Cox didn’t do that.
came up to Atlanta and impressed the hell out of everybody in his two quality starts.
Quality start: six or more innings of pitching with three or fewer earned runs allowed.
Jeff Bennett quality starts with 2007 Braves: 1
Finished the season with, AGAIN, 13 innings pitched. 13 innings of 3.46 ERA baseball. This is what’s known as a small sample size.
He went down to Venezuela and pretty much dominated there in winter ball.
I believe O’Brien himself called winter balls teams the equivalent of double-A teams. Doesn’t matter. This is frankly less convincing than citing spring training stats. The only thing Bennett has done to impress was his 13 innings last season, but again that was a small sample size and not something you use to declare Bennett better than James.
That’s five big league pitches. James has two , go figure ?
Poor Tom Glavine.
If your still not sold , he will be on the mound tomorrow. The scouts , Bobby Cox and I will be watching.
Again, it’s spring training. If it’s really relevant to you, what will you say if Bennett gets lit up tomorrow?
By Reid in EAV
March 25, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this
Bob Bob — about that Gold Glove… why then, pray tell, did Chipper STILL get the bonus from Mizuno, his longtime glove sponsor, for winning a gold glove? Draw your own conclusions, if you have enough intelligence to. Your grasp of the English language does not leave me with hope.
By TennesseePaul
March 25, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this
Did someone really say Blanco and Prado have All-Star potential? You’re talking major league All-Star potential
That was Long Beach Dub Allstar potential.
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this
May all be true Jared and TennPaul, but neither of your posts acknowledge the serious question marks regarding James potential.
Like him or not, the absolute bottom line with Chuck is this: If he doesn’t develop a third pitch, his career will never reach the potential a lot of people thought he had. Because otherwise, he will still be giving up home runs, and he will still be running into high pitch counts around the 5th inning. The slider is essential, and I think Richmond is the best place to develop that.
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
By ObiWanKobe
March 25, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this
It’s all there Met man, I’m saying the Braves are in the play-offs and the Mets aren’t, I assume you would counter with the Mets in and the Braves out.
Ok now I get it. Explain how we are going to NY to watch the braves and METS if the METS arent in it.
Not sure what state you live in but I have a friendly wager for you. If you reside in GA, lets go to the METS braves games Apr 4, and 5th, or 6th. After the game, the loser has to wear the colors of the team they root for and shout out cheers for the winner and denounce the loser in front of Turner Field until the last car leaves the lot. How does that sound???
By McFann
March 25, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
Yeah, got it done Wayne. Would have gotten back to you sooner, but my Dad was going over math we my brother and me.
Hope your Jazz beat the whoevers tonight!
: )
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
MetroDude-Full of crap as usual. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Comparing Chipper to Hampton and Pavano? Right. Great comparison there. Pavano has missed the better part of four years and Hampton 2 1/2. Chipper missed all of 28 games last year (still putting up Wright numbers). Maybe a better look at games missed would be had by studying the Mets’ lineup-Pedro minus 1+ yrs.. Sanchez minus 1+ yrs.. Alou, minus 75 games. Beltran minus 18 games. Del Gado minus 23 games. Castillo minus 27 games. Just who is it that is missing time? The season hasn’t even started and it looks like Moises will miss at least 25-30 games.
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080325&contentid=2457020&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&cid=nym
That link above should cover Alou who should be back in April, the rest you mentioned are on the ACTIVE roster and ready to go except Sanchez but thats because Register is getting a good long look at before the Rockies want him back. You are finally right Lew, more of the same from me, funny thing is you are singing the same tune also.
By JJMB
March 25, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this
You guys should quit bellyaching about the Japan game. Baseball has been in Asia (China and Japan) since the 1870’s.
By McFann
March 25, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this
Bobcats! Yeah! Hope they beat the Bobcats!
Night, all!!
By richie
March 25, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this
Epinephrine,
I agree with what you said about Chuck James. Without a 3rd pitch, he will continue to have the inconsistent career he has had so far. I also thinks he needs to improve his fielding and trust his defense as well. I have seen him extend innings trying to make plays on balls his defense could have taken care of for him. Just a thought to add on
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this
Excuses, excuses! As much as I know you hate it you have to admit that David Wright hasn’t quite caught up to Chipper just yet in the offensive production category. He is a great player who has many more years until he gets to his peak. Wright had Chipper beat in one area last year, games played and at bats. If Chipper can put a season together were he stays healthy (or at least not on the DL for 2 1/2 Months) he is going to leave allot of you Mets fans crying. It’s just ridiculous how good he still is at his age and with his previous injuries. Do you think the same can be said about David Wright after he has played 15 years or so at the hot corner in the bigs? Do understand the whole weak schedule thing. Don’t we play you guys like 19 times a year? Oh, never mind that explains the weak schedule. :-)
We all know Chumpers numbers are great especailly against the METS. However, if he were a “gamer” those numbers would be off the charts. The best example I can give you is Smoltz. If something is on ther line, he will go pitch with a dead arm. Didnt Francoer come back the next day after getting beaned in the head this spring? David Wright has a long way to go longeveity wise, but talent wise he WILL pass Chumper especailly if he keeps his 155-160 games played every year. Put it this way, if he ever played more than 150 games in a season from here until he retires, I would wear his jersey to a braves game, against the METS and cheer him. I sure am glad that will never happen.
By leo
March 25, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
If the Braves are counting on Glavines arm, we are sunk!
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
Richie,
Good point, I agree.
Jared,
Tom Glavine has at least four pitches he can and does throw consistently for strikes: Four Seamer, Curve, Sinker, and Change. Glavine’s change up is his best pitch, sure. But it his ability to throw the others that keeps hitters from sitting on that change and beating him up. So there is no “poor Tom Glavine” about it. He epitomizes the point.
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this
Ok, you guys talk so much about braves youth, and the METS “old” age. Here is a list of players who should impact the league for the next 5 years. 4 METS were on the list, (led by Mr. Wright) while the braves 1st guy shows up at #28 and its none other that K. Johnson followed by Texeria at #32. Now this is just the big 50 they could come up with. Seems to me all these young guys you talk about (Escobar, Francouer, Mcann ect) should have made the list like Maine. Oh well shows you what some people really think about braves players.
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this
50 top player link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview08/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=3310373
By JimD
March 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this
Well, MetMan, I see two problems with your little assertion there.
First, that list is highly subjective. It is merely opinion.
Second, who’s to say that a team full of youngsters ranked 50-100 isn’t better than a team full of geezers like the Mutts?
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this
You guys should quit bellyaching about the Japan game. Baseball has been in Asia (China and Japan) since the 1870’s.jjmb
And your point is what?
How long has Major League Baseball had a team in Asia, jjmb?
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this
Mets writer told me after game, it’ll be Maine on Friday in series opener vs. Braves, Mets No. 5 starter (Pelfrey?) on Saturday, and Santana on Sunday. Forgot to mention that before I left.
By Stupid Post Of The Day
March 25, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this
Bennett is a 19th round 1998 pick.
19th round? So they thought he sucked from day one.
Not a major leaguer
Not a major leaguer.
Not a major leaguer
Not a major leaguer.
Not a major leaguer.
Not a major leaguer.
Not a major leaguer
Not a major leaguer
Not a major leaguer
Not a major leaguer.
Major leaguer?
The gum on the sole of my shoe has more intelligence than the poster who boasts about the talent of the 1998 19th rounder who has not become a full time major leaguer after 11 seasons.
By chase
March 25, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this
while answering a question on an ESPN Chat,
JAYSON STARK actually said…“the Mets are the team to beat in the NL East, as far as I am concerned they are the team to beat in the East EVERY YEAR”
well Excuse Me! But I guess Mr Stark missed those 14 years in a a row!
He went on to say that the Braves would be competing for second and that he didn’t see Any Way the Braves could win 87 games!
What the HELL? I think the Braves managed to win 84 games last year with TWO STARTING PITCHERS and Thorman instead of TEX for half a season!!!
I don’t understand how this guy is PAID for his opinion! This is the same guy who said AJ was the most overrated player in history! What a LOSER…But then again what do you expect from ESPN when it comes to a team from GEORGIA!
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this
JimD: Yeah its all opinion almost all of the time, but he has credentials we dont. He did leave out people I thought should be on the list but I’ll take my METS geezers over braves geezers anyday. I’ll take our young guys over the braves anyday of the week, month, year……
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this
MetMan, nobody does it quite like you. Thank God.
By Epinephrine
March 25, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this
Chase, first of all, that was ROB NEYER. If you are going to type it that big and and in caps, you ought to at least know who you are talking about.
Second, that isn’t surprising considering he thinks KJ (who I love) is better than Tex and Frenchy.
Third, he also picked the Braves as his sleeper team.
By TennesseePaul
March 25, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this
Epinephrine: I wouldn’t disagree with that assessment. James does need some improvements in some areas. But trying to spin his 2007 campaign as awful, or even sub par, is a little much.
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this
Rusty, love the Ryan Bingham album, Mescalito. Bought it late last season. Good stuff, lot of Hank III and Steve Earle influence, or at least a similar sound on a lot of tunes.
By Metropolitan Man
March 25, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this
Thats right DOB, being an individual has its rewards. Mind over matter. METS on my MIND, braves dont MATTER.
By TennesseePaul
March 25, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this
Ouch. Just checked my messages. Looks like the Extra Innings is not happening. Got my money back though…
So a 6 man rotation sounds pretty solid. Who’s in there in the 6 slot, Bennett?
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this
why do you keep calling the disney sports complex dark star, its a great place and i find it annoying that you call it thatchippersbf
Good.
I find your screen name and opinion annoying (but I’d never say that publicly … D-oh!)
By chase
March 25, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this
Epinephrine: you are right..it was ROB NEYER…scrolling down and looking at posts and replies it all kinda runs together BUT does it really change the OBSURDITY of the statement?
Just as CRAZY as calling AJ the most overrated player!
How can a team that has won ONE division title in 19 years be “the team to beat?”
By JJMB
March 25, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this
My point is, and thank you for asking, MLBUS is no longer sacrosanct. Nothing is defiled by playing the opener in Japan. MLBUS shouldn’t look down it’s collective nose at anyone. So what if Boston and Oakland had to take a 15hr flight?
The gist is, Japan is an US ally, we have had troops there since 1945, and the US has molded Japan’s modern society.
Let them have the stupid opener. The world is a big place.
By Shamus Thacker
March 25, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this
LOL
By David O'Brien
March 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this
DOB
With all due respect, I couldn’t disagree more with your take on how fans will react to Glavine’s return to Atlanta. I already have tickets to the game, and I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised at the HUGE ovation he receives when his name is called for the first time. I think “The Ted” is going to be rocking Monday night!! Patrick
Patrick, what part of what I wrote are you disagreeing with? I wrote: “So what’s the reception gonna be like for Glavine? To me, there is little doubt it will be a big ovation. Sure there will be some boos, but in a packed house I doubt you’ll hear them over the cheers. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I expect anyway.”…
In other words, I, too, believe he will get a big ovation…
Epinephrine, just wanted to say, solid string of posts from you. Good stuff…
… and at the other end of the spectrum: Thats right DOB, being an individual has its rewards. Mind over matter. METS on my MIND, braves dont MATTER. MetMan
Ok, what’s the over/under? Age 13 or 14?
By N8
March 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this
Jared
You said:
“Helms is nothing but an older, more expensive version of Thorman with less upside. Please leave that mistake with the division-rival Phillies.”
Upside? Upside? Come on man. The guy makes the rookie version of Ryan Klesko in 1994 look “selective” at the plate.
While you may be right that Thorman has more upside than Helms, the last time I checked (and DOB chimed in), the Braves are trying to win NOW. That’s why they signed Glavine, hung on to Tex (who it is apparent already has one foot out the door), and traded guys like Davies last season.
If the Braves were concerned about “upside” with a soon to be 26 year old powerful 1B, who looks average at best around the bag at 1B, and has about as much chance as replacing Tex next year as Rico Brogna and Robert Fick did replacing the Big Cat.
Helms can play BOTH corner IF positions. If the Braves are truly trying to win THIS YEAR (which I believe they are - based on moves, NON-moves, and DOB’s statements - ALONG with common sense), then Helms is the SMARTER choice THIS YEAR for the Braves. Period.
That doesn’t make him the better player for the long haul, it doesn’t mean that Thorman might not all of the sudden at age 28 or 29 “get it” and have a monster season.
But if we “hang on” to Scott Thorman because of his alleged “upside”, than Wren will be doing a dis-service (is that a word?) to the other guys on the 24 man roster, by NOT putting the TEAM in the best situation to win NOW. As they’ve stated they’re trying to do.
It’s that simple, to me.
Having said ALL of that. Maybe Thames is the better choice of all three. He would provide depth this year, and a legit option to replace Tex if he leaves next year. Something worth thinking about, IMO. Then again, he doesn’t play 3B, and he IS 30 years old. So I wouldn’t give up too much for him.
By N8
March 25, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this
“Ok, what’s the over-under? Age 13 or 14?” DOB
Hmmm. Maybe him and McFann should “hook up”.
:-)
By ObiWanKobe
March 25, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this
Met Man, I’m in California. What I was saying is if the Mets are in the play-offs and the Braves are not, then provide me means to humiliate myself on national tv. I’ve been posting from the BlackBerry, so when I get home I can organize the stipulations & contingencies a tad better.
By Dark Star Personified
March 25, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this
That Susie Q. at the Braves Spring Training Games is the most annoying b^t*h to open her pie hole since Rosie O’Donnell
By Jersey City
March 25, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this
BS means Braves Suck!! Braves fans think they invented baseball. they don’t realize the Hall Of Fame is in Cooperstown, NEW YORK for a reason.
By Wayne in Utah
March 25, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this
Hatteberg, Ensberg, Thames, Helms….
Maybe none of those guys….
Jazz win tonight, in a route over the Bobcats. Sorry about that to my Carolina friends.
N8 Let’s please not include McFann in the same sentence with Metroazz.
Been a long day (9:36pm), and I am headed to bed…..
By JimD
March 25, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this
Geez, Jersey City, could you try and sound a little more asinine?
By chrisklob
March 25, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this
DOB Ok, what’s the over/under? Age 13 or 14?
Are you talking about chronological age or emotional age here?
By buzz
March 25, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this
I JUST READ AND THOUGHT THAT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT JIM LEYLAND OF THE TIGERS SAYS HE HAS TWO SPOT OPEN ON HIS ROSTER. A BULLPEN SHOT AND A POSITION SPOT, SOUNDS LIKE A PERFECT TIME FOR A TRADE. TWO-FOR-ONE; THREE-FOR-ONE/TWO… THE OTHER MAYBE BEING A PROSPECT THAT THE BRAVES WOULD RECIEVE??
By chrisklob
March 25, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this
Several times this spring I have heard y’all talk about “Suzie Q” at Dark Star. Could someone please enlighten us as to who he/she/it is and why she is so annoying?
By N8
March 25, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this
“BS means Braves Suck!! Braves fans think they invented baseball. they don’t realize the Hall Of Fame is in Cooperstown, NEW YORK for a reason.” Jersey City
Hmmmm. I’m a Braves fan. I’ve NEVER ONCE insinuated that we “invented” baseball. However, during the 1991-2005 Seasons (from April to September), we thoroughly dominated baseball in a way that will NEVER happen again.
Last time I checked, during that “run” we won 13 more division titles than the Mets did, and even more than the Yankees dynasty did (they made the playoffs as a WC a couple of times).
Before you mention the post-season failures, don’t bother. I have LONG criticized the Braves as being the best REGULAR season team in baseball for almost a decade and a half, only to also be classified as the Buffalo Bills of MLB. So you’d be barking up the wrong tree.
But don’t YOU also find it amusing, that with a 115 million dollar payroll, compared to our 87 million dollar payroll, you guys were ONLY 4 games better than us last year?
I’d be downright embarrassed if the Braves had a 115 million dollar payroll and collapsed the way you guys did last year. YIKES.
Which is why it’s gonna be even SWEETER this year, with you guys adding Johan, when you don’t make the post-season AGAIN. Even if we don’t either, that will STILL make me laugh my azz off.
Good stuff indeed.
By Steve McP
March 25, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this
Jersey City - you do know that there is only one (YES ONE) Met in the HOF?
Tom Seaver if you have any interest in baseball
By CharlieAlphaBravo
March 26, 2008 12:03 AM | Link to this
DOB:
Just thought it was a shame that you set up a perfect “road goes on forever” at 7:36, and never got the appropriate “…and the party never ends!” Good to see you posting Mr. Keen’s lyrics, considering what an excellent songwriter he is. Actually got to hang out with him and his band on their bus a couple of years ago when they played at the Variety Playhouse. Very cool guys, and down-to-earth too. Okay, I’m finished name-dropping for today.
By N8
March 26, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this
“Let’s please not include McFann in the same sentence with Metroazz.” Wayne in Utah
I hear you. But DOB was giving the over/under on whether Metroazz was 13 or 14, and if you’ve paid ANY attention to me razzing McFann, I’ve questioned many times, if she was a 13 or 14 year old girl. (all in fun of course).
So, technically no harm was meant by it. I would NEVER wish that ANYBODY be forced to “hook up” with a Mets fan. :-)
By uga-brave
March 26, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this
well if the goal is to make it through spring training without any major injuries i would say it has been a success.
the one thing that has to be of some concern is the power #’s or the lack of. not talking about tex or chipper, they have the track record.
the three newlyweds, johnson, b’macc, and francoeur have combined for 3 homeruns.
i know spring training stats are mostly what they are spring training stats, but i thought we might of seen a little more pop from those guys.
By CharlieAlphaBravo
March 26, 2008 12:12 AM | Link to this
But wait, if no one was ever forced to hook up with an Mets fan, then how would they ever have their little demon babies???
By Coach(Lets Go Braves In 2008)
March 26, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this
Speaking of cherry picking , Jared wrote :
Again, it’s spring training. If it’s really relevant to you, what will you say if Bennett gets lit up tomorrow?
My reply is : Now I know who the real fan is , ME. I want Bennett to do well.
While Jared wants Bennett to fail just so he can win a stupid argument.
All I can say to the critics is , Chuck James and Jo-JO Reyes finished the 2007 season in the Braves rotation.
It’s 2008 and they both have become depth in Richmond while Glavine , Hampton , Jurrjens anchor the back of the Braves rotation and Bennett is the sixth man.
Even Jared should be able to see the OBVIOUS difference in the Braves from third place team in 2007 to playoff team in 2008.
GO BRAVES !
By uga-brave
March 26, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this
oh and another thing on those meaningless spring training stats our projected starters in cf, and lf have combined for 0 hr’s and 3 doubles.
but hey, chino cant pitch all the time.
By Darren
March 26, 2008 12:36 AM | Link to this
DOB
As far as possible backup first basemen available for trade, how does Doug Mientkiewicz sound?
The guy can darn sure field, and hit a respectable .277 last season.
By uga-brave
March 26, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this
thats 150 AB’S from our projected starting outfield and ONE HR.
do you think we might need to add at least one more power bat?
By CharlieAlphaBravo
March 26, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this
Sorry Coach, but I’m the real fan. ME! ME, ME, ME!!! I have a birthmark in the shape of a cursive ‘A’ on my backside, and I force my infant child to watch a minimum of three hours of baseball a day, and do the Tomahawk Chop twice an inning. So you see, I am the real fan. ME!
By BA
March 26, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this
This Metro-garbage-man stuff has gone too far. Wright compared to Jones? See me in ten years, then we can talk. Wright’s got a shot at Hoss’ numbers, but even a paint-sniffing Mutts fan should know that predictions on ANY player that young are impossible to make. See Ken Griffey jr. I’d even take McCann over Wright, because Mac’s a solid defensive catcher, whereas Wright plays an error-ridden style of third base similar to, say, Jose Offerman.
By chrisklob
March 26, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this
uga do you think we might need to add at least one more power bat?
Dude, this team has plenty of guys that can hit it out: Chipper, Tex, Frenchy, Mac, Diaz, Johnson, etc., etc. I’m happy with a high OBP guy in CF.
By Murphy
March 26, 2008 1:07 AM | Link to this
Sorry if I am repeating this since I did not read every post…but since Granderson is out for the start of the season, the Tigers are saying that Thames will probably start in his place. I am not sure how that may or may not affect us trading for him. That would be a great trade though for us…depending on who we gave up of course.
By Murphy
March 26, 2008 1:07 AM | Link to this
Sorry if I am repeating this since I did not read every post…but since Granderson is out for the start of the season, the Tigers are saying that Thames will probably start in his place. I am not sure how that may or may not affect us trading for him. That would be a great trade though for us…depending on who we gave up of course.
By Robert
March 26, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this
DOB
With just a few days of ST left, what is your gut feeling about how the bullpen will shake out
By BA
March 26, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this
Who is writing these stupid cutesy-poo Braves vent titles? Sometimes this paper makes me sick. I’ll bet eventually DOB is going to pull an Andruw and split for more bread. Enough sbout Tex, I want to know DOB contract renewal details. Can we lock this guy down? I’ve seen the other blogs, AJC. It’s a bad scene. Give O’Brien the writer-option year on the end of the deal.
By Lew
March 26, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this
The Braves may not have invented baseball, but they are the oldest team in continuous operation in baseball. That is a fact.
By Coach(Lets Go Braves In 2008)
March 26, 2008 1:24 AM | Link to this
Good for you CharlieAlphaBravo.
Steve Phillips quote : I have questions how many runs (the Braves) they’re gonna score having lost Andruw Jones and key pieces to that team in Edgar Renteria.
He then goes on to pick the Mets to win the division.
Apparently he has no frigging idea who Mark Teixeira , Yunel Escobar , Chipper Jones , Jeff Francoeur , Brian McCann , Kelly Johnson and Matt Daiz are.
The Braves offense is just as good or even better than it was a year ago.
But I’m not sold on Mark Kotsay just yet. Josh Anderson and Gregor Blanco are breathing down his neck and that is a good thing.
Steve Phillips rational for the Mets apparent superiority ? Johan Santana , Johan Santana and Johan Santana.
The superman cape has been bestowed. The ex-Mets GM has been exposed , he really is Jimmy Olsen.
By BA
March 26, 2008 1:31 AM | Link to this
Phillps wouldn’t be stuck working at ESPN if he hadn’t insisted on playing grab-a$$ with his receptionists at Mets headquarters. Guess the dirtbag virus spreads all the way to the top of that franchise…
By nOLIE
March 26, 2008 1:42 AM | Link to this
tools and talents do equate to skills..Buz
nope. many players have all the tools in the world but fail to develop the skills necessary to use those tools to the best advantage. almost all high draft choices are toolsy, but not all that many every amount to a lot in the bigs.conversely there are guys like Diaz who are skilled but don’t really have many tools
By flgrk
March 26, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this
First time post here on the message board. I’ve been reading this blog everyday this spring and I just had to chime in on Dark Star. I used to work for the “company,” and everytime I have to go back there for a spring training game, I have to bite back the bile rising in my throat. (It is something like the feeling I get when I see Thorman at the plate.) But I love the Braves and since I’m in S FL now, I’ll be going to see them when they play the Marlins. At least tix will be easy to come by. By the way, DOB, thanks for doing a great job, you give us all a good glimpse at the inside of the Braves’ organization.
By Coach(Lets Go Braves In 2008)
March 26, 2008 2:11 AM | Link to this
And what of Buddy Carlyle ? Do the Braves cut him or send the career journeyman back to Richmond.
Carlyle looks as if he is scheduled to start on Saturday in Atlanta.
Kelly Johnson has been slow to get going so far. His knee is sore , maybe that’s the reason. Thank God for Martin Prado !
The bullpen might go eight deep to start the season with Smoltz on the D.L and only four starters needed with next Tuesday (April 1st) being an off day.
Smoltz is scheduled to make his first start on April 6th.
Soriano , Moylan , Ohman , Acosta , Bennett , Boyer , Resop and Ring…maybe ?
Leaving Yates on the trading block or lost in waivers.
Speaking of those two options.
Either way , Brayan Pena is history , Corky Miller has a hammer lock on the back up catching job.
Brent Lillibridge and Scott Thorman look as if they will make the team by default. Lillibridge belongs in Richmond so he can play everyday and Thorman is an enigma at best.
Frank Wren , please make that trade.
By nOLIE
March 26, 2008 3:49 AM | Link to this
bout wright in august/september = 207 AB, 12 HR, 41 RBI, 10 SB, 3 CS, .372/.474/.628. He raked so much down the stretch it was literally ridiculous.BobBob
whoop-di-doo! Chipper hit 12 HR and drove in 46 in the same amount of time. and when Chipper was David’s age he stole bases too. Chipper has batted .328 against the Mets and .334 against the Phillies, Wright has hit .268 against the Braves and .249 against the Phils arguably the big three of the NLEast.As for the fielding award, that is a league wide joke. . Chipper’s FP was .971, David’s was league average .954. I will admit that Wright has more range. David is a great young player, but he’s not yet any better than Hoss. Talk to us in 10 years if his numbers stay on the same plane.
By Gil in Mechanicsville
March 26, 2008 3:53 AM | Link to this
And Lew has been around for nearly all those continuous years… :-)
By nOLIE
March 26, 2008 4:11 AM | Link to this
Thorman is an enigma at best.Coach
yep. a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma even
By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)
March 26, 2008 5:25 AM | Link to this
Have ya heard ? Jorge Sosa is going to be the Mets fifth starter.
His career record : 36 wins 48 losses , 4.59 ERA
WOW , good luck with that !
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 6:51 AM | Link to this
Rich Harden is dealin’ early for the A’s, and Jon Lester is not looking as sharp for the Red Sox. Boston up 1-0 after two, just left runners on corners to end inning… Oh, wait. I don’t have to blog play-by-play for EVERY game.
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 6:57 AM | Link to this
Coach, Buddy Carlyle isn’t out of options and is a perfect guy to have at Richmond for depth, which the Braves will need at some point this season, perhaps at several points.
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this
Robert, regarding the bullpen, I think Coach’s 2:11 a.m. scenario is as good a bet as any for the opening-day bullpen. He wrote: Soriano , Moylan , Ohman , Acosta , Bennett , Boyer , Resop and Ring…maybe ?” And I concur, other than the oddly placed commas.
I think there’s a very good chance Braves will use Smoltz’s slot for the extra reliever for the opening week.
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 7:09 AM | Link to this
FLGRK: Thanks for the comment. “The company.” I like it. Glad you know first-hand what I’m alluding to….
CharlieAlphaBravo, that “road goes on forever…” was a cue. Glad you finally supplied the rejoinder.
You hung out with Robert Earl, huh? Very cool….
By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)
March 26, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this
Baseball at this time in the morning , it’s just all wrong !
I agree , Carlyle makes for good depth. But , to be truthful , I really don’t want to see him pitch for anybody other than the Richmond Braves in 2008.
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 7:15 AM | Link to this
Emil Brown three-run blast in third inning. A’s up 4-0.
OK, time to shower and get to Dark Star. Gonna ride the bike to work today, temps into the 70s and no chance of rain.
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this
One final thought: I’m thinking Tyler Yates might not be a Brave at the end of the day.
By ssiscribe
March 26, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this
Top of the morning, denizens. Nothing like waking up to live baseball … at least it’s two teams I don’t really care about. Brown needed to hit that jack after his horrible baserunning blunder in extras yesterday.
I’m thinking Yates’ back-to-back appearances the past two days were for audition purposes. He’s a goner, methinks. Better arms in Resop and Boyer, and like I said yesterday, believe Ring will make the team with the extra spot opened up by Smoltz’s trip to the DL.
(As an aside, anybody else out there tired of talking and ready to see some games that count? I know I am, and I imagine DOB is ready to return to the ATL after six weeks of hanging out at Mickey’s Place, cursing all the annoying sound effects played by “the company,” driving 45 in the fast lane thanks to Snowbirds trying to find Dinosaur City, woofing down milkshakes and burning stogies in the rental while tooling to Port St. Lousy or Jupiter or Winter Haven watching ball and bringing it to the ol’ Braves/MIB. Good job, dude.)
Two more days at Dark Star, then it’s two practice games at Turner Field, then on to D.C. for the opener. Did I REALLY hear Odalis Perez is pitching Sunday night for the Nats? Good grief.
Time for coffee and a cigar to start the day, as I have fish to fry. Selah, good people.
The Scribe abides.
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By Braveheart
March 26, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this
Manny is a beast!
By rlpmetro
March 26, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this
DOB…temps in the 70’s??? Down here in SW Florida, it was 50 when I drove in…bleeping chilly for this time of year! I gotta say it is nice to pull out the sweatshirts though!
Also…did we REALLY need to know that you are going to get a shower??? Just sayin’!
By Bubdylan
March 26, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
DOB,
Is “Oh, Atlanta” by Alison Krauss ever your travelin’ music at the end of one of these tedious road stays? Seems like it would be just right.
By Braveheart
March 26, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this
Scribe, I can’t wait for the games to start. As much as I don’t like these Japan games, I wish the Braves were playing over there right now so that the games could at least count. I’m so burned out on hearing about men 21 through 25 on the roster who won’t even be here by the All Star break. Let’s play some damn ball already.
By Epinephrine
March 26, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this
Wow. Should be an interesting day. I’ll be scanning this and mlbtraderumors. Hopefully we get a piece we need.
Only a few days now, ladies and gents, before this thing gets going for real.
By ssiscribe
March 26, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this
Is “Oh, Atlanta” by Alison Krauss ever your travelin’ music at the end of one of these tedious road stays? Seems like it would be just right.
This is the honest-to-goodness truth: Walking through the airport in Newark two weeks ago, I was singing that song. Always do when I’m out of town. One of the greatest songs ever, in my humble opinion.
But for the record, I’ll take the Bad Company version. (A musical reference by the tone-deaf Scribe? Oh, the humanity! Let’s start the season already.)
Selah.
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By ssiscribe
March 26, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Braveheart, I hear ya, bro. Kids got up this morning, saw the BoSox/A’s game on the tube and asked again when are we going to the opener … they keep bugging me, I might just have to load up the car Friday night and head to the yard for the exhibition game!
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By flange1
March 26, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
Morning All,
Active blog last night! I find it amusing all of the Bennett talk. If you believe some and you don’t make the major leagues in a certain amount of time you should just quit.
I have to give props to the kid for working his rear off after arm surgery to come back and pitch well. Then to loose 60 lbs? Go pitch in South America? All to make himself better so he has a chance to pitch in 2008?
Maybe I am. and. idiot. but I think this is a pretty darn good story.
And it is really hard to listen to anyone talk about baseball when they don’t even know the first 2 games of the season are being played in Japan.
Don’t they have that info on Yahoo? Isn;t that where you find out all of your baseball information JARED?
Anyway, good call on the bullpen Coach, I agree 100%. It will be interesting to see what happens to Ring when Smoltz is called up.
DO the Yankees still need bullpen help? oh a lefty? Hello Morgan Ensberg!
By chuckw/deadjournalist
March 26, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
Funny how things always have a way of working themselves out. It looks as if that will be the case, at least initially, for the bullpen.
As we all know, over 162 games, any team will need at least 30 players to contribute. With Carlyle at Richmond, he gives the Braves a servicable 7th starter. Throw in Ryan Drese as an 8th option.
Remember how close the Braves were to having to use Trey Hodges for a start last season? Go back and look at the names that have started one game in the last couple of years. Travis Smith, Jason Shiell, Kevin Barry, Danny Baez, Matt Childers, Frank Brooks, Tom Martin, Jay Powell … and that’s just ‘06 and ‘05. A lot of, “Who the hell?” names.
Finally, let me float an idea:
If a more significant roster move is made via a trade (Marcus Thames?) wouldn’t Jo-Jo Reyes be a perfect name to through out there as bait? Still young enough to sell the “up-side” but something about him makes me think Kyle Davies.
By Bubdylan
March 26, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this
Well, Scribe, at least it’s music with a direct reference to the city of the Braves. You get …parital credit, maybe?
By Don
March 26, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
Jason Stark was on Mike & Mike this morning making his predictions for the baseball season. In the East he picked the Braves. He said that their starting lineup was as good as anybody else’s in the league, but their strenght was their pitching depth. He picked the Cubs and San Diego with the Mets getting the wild card. He went on to say that the Mets and Phillies were getting all the press, but the Braves were the team to beat. Buster Onley made the same exact picks yesterday. Looks like the ESPN guys are starting to see what is the truth. Its pitching, pitching, pitching. While the Mets have indeed added a dominate starter, overall they simply do not have the quality depth from top to bottom that the Braves have today.
By ssiscribe
March 26, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this
Bubdylan: Absolutely! Great song, indeed, no matter who sings it! Full credit for an awesome jam, one that makes me think of Atlanta, where the ballclub will be heading soon enough.
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By McFann
March 26, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
Seems to me all these young guys you talk about (Escobar, Francouer, Mcann ect) should have made the list like Maine.
Earth to MetMan (if that’s possible, which I doubt), Escobar didn’t qualify (not enough experience), and check out number 42. You’ll find it is MCCANN!!
Wayne, Neight, you don’t hafta worry. ; )
By JimD
March 26, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Chuck, not to be picky, but …
when did Danys Baez start a game? Not since 2002 with Cleveland when he started 26. I don’t think he ever started one during his short tenure in ATL.
By Thrillhouse44
March 26, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
I’m so burned out on hearing about men 21 through 25 on the roster who won’t even be here by the All Star break Braveheart
Well said, brother. I bet Prado’s name has been mentioned more this week than it will be the rest of the season. And there’s been too much discussion about Thorman when he’s backing up someone expected to play 150 games. But, that’s what helps make spring training great and the regular season even better.
By flange1
March 26, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
In Buster Olney’s morning blog, there is a reference to a Detroit paper that says the Tigers are in fact scouting Tyler Yates.
We might need to see what else besides Marcus Thames the Tigers have to offer.
Granderson is hurt, they need a center field replacement.
It is great for the Braves to have Blanco and Anderson, but they are so similar, do we really need both?
Thoughts?
By Lew
March 26, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
Good Morning-The AJC has just reported that Yates has been traded to the Pirates. No details other than that. Maybe DOB will know more when he gets to Disney.
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
Guess that was a good hunch.
Just talked to Tyler as he was packing up and heading out. Good dude. Hopefully he does well over in Pittsburgh.
Kid they got, 22-year-old righty Todd Redmond, had outstanding numbers in 2006. Struggled last year, though, going 8-13 with a 4.39 ERA in 28 starts, including 25 in A-ball and three in Double-A.
He’s a control guy, great changeup and decent fastball. Had 148 strikeouts in 160 innings in low-A in 2006, going 13-6 with a 2.75 ERA in 27 starts.
But he fell off last year, allowing 166 hits and 159 innings. Still had only 35 walks but only 97 strikeouts.
Hey, seems pretty clear to me that they wanted to trade him before today’s deadline, after which they’d have been committed to paying his full salary instead of 45 days’ termination pay.
By Epinephrine
March 26, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
Who’d we get?
By OrlandoFan
March 26, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
Don beat me to the post. I heard Stark say he thought people weren’t talking enough about the Braves. Yes, pitching was the advantage. He thinks the lineup is every bit as good as the other two teams. And you’ll see him today, DOB. He was en route to the game.
By Bo
March 26, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
Who did Braves get from Pirates for Yates?
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
I’d say next on the list today … Pena or possibly Thorman. I’ll lean toward Pena, if only one.
Gotta get back downstairs to talk to the brass.
By timber
March 26, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Sid Bream
By Epinephrine
March 26, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
I like the looks of this guy. His 4.54 ERA in A+ is definitely mitigated by 1.28 WHIP. That is a good number for a high mark.
But how in the world does this fit in with our bigger plans? More depth at pitching? I’ll take it, DOB, but do you think this is all we will see?
By Thrillhouse44
March 26, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
Did you say Todd Redmond? Can we change his last name? My stomach just did a couple backflips.
By OrlandoFan
March 26, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
I like the Yates trade because I was not a big fan of Yates. He pitched a lot and had some good outings last year, but a hold-em-for-the-closer guy whose ERA is nearly 4 is a little much. Allowing inherited runners to score is bad enough, but to allow another run so often is troubling. I like the makeup of the bullpen outlined above. Hard throwers, mix of experience and youth, and lots of options for Bobby. With Smoltz, Hampton and Glavine being mostly 6-inning guys now, I can see him getting a lot of mileage out of the pre-setup guys. The bridge to Soriano probably will be longer than it was last year. Thus it will require a sturdier set of abutments (if I spelled that right). Boyer, Ohman, Resop, Ring and Acosta are some strong abutments. Bennett is an extra guy who is part of it less often.
By Tomahawkin
March 26, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
NorthBeachScott your post…”Great work experience, but what on on price to pay on the personal side. You know you have on on good wife to stick with you as mine did during that time.”
As much partying I do up here, you can forget that…lol
I’m already liking the Yates Trade, hopefully we will see the new cat as a September call up in 2009 if all goes well
By McFann
March 26, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
ALLELUIA!!!
Hope this new kid is gonna be good for us. Sorry, Pirates.
By josh h
March 26, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Reliever for starter, you can’t typically go wrong there.
Yeah, we’ll miss Yates. But someone had to go, or we’d lose them for nothing. I hope this Todd guy can straighten things out and become pitching depth for us.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 26, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Salary dump , that’s what this was. At least the got a young pitcher with all his options intact.
The Braves need bench help and this trade did nothing in that regard.
By I'm Ron Burgundy?
March 26, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Todd Redmond???
We should’ve been able to get something of more value for Yates, like a shiny quarter.
By McFann
March 26, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
Oo, yeah…Redmond? Eesh…
Even still, good move.
By Tomahawkin
March 26, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
after looking at the Nationals new Park at ballparksofbaseball.com(Which Suprisingly has not taken a Corporate Name Yet), It just Dawned on me that there are only four stadiums in the National League that are older than ours…
Haven’t seen the fans reviews yet for the park, but I’m Pretty sure its an definite upgrade ovre RFK, and added it will be more hitter friendly…
Bring on ESPN Primetime Sunday Night!
By Lew
March 26, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Coach-I don’t think I’d categorize this as a salary dump-Yates wasn’t making all that much. It was just, like you said, getting a player with options for a player who had none that no longer fit the Braves’ plans. Yates probably wouldn’t have brought much in the way of bench strength anyway.
By ssiscribe
March 26, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Best wishes to Tyler Yates, who pitched well when not overused (some of that Bobby’s fault, most of it the fault of the lack of innings from the back end of the rotation). I still say, as I said the past two years, that Yates has great stuff. Hope he gets to set up the kid from my hometown, Matt Capps, in that Bucco’s bully. Good luck, Tyler.
The Braves are back to being the Braves, that meaning they stockpile pitching like a squirrel stockpiles acorns. Seems like Redmond throws strikes and he’s young. Not a bad return for an expendable reliever.
Pitching depth is a good thing, my friends. Visit 2007 and 2006 for reference on what happens when you don’t have it.
Brayan Pena, you’re on the clock. Great dude; I hope he gets sent someplace where he can play on a regular basis.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By tvsportscaster
March 26, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
I guess we all overrated Yates’ value. I would have at least thought the Braves could have gotten a major league piece for the roster. And as someone said earlier this does absolutely nothing to help theier bench unless they’ve got another trade brewing. I’m happy Yates is gone but color me dissapointed we couldn’t something better for him.
By Lew
March 26, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
Epi-What do you really expect to get for these out of options guys that weren’t going to make our team, anyway? We’re realistically not going to get anyone of major significance for them.
By TheCutMan
March 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
On the Yates/Redmond trade with the Bucs: Getting a little bit of something beats the dickens out of getting 100% of nothing if the Braves had to simply release Yates.
So, that’s good. Still a few parts remaining to strike a deal for that bench PH as has already been pointed out. If the Braves feel they’re ‘going for it’ in 2008, which seems the case, it wouldn’t surprise me to see them sweeten the trade pot deal with a select minor leaguer or two along with the usual suspects (Pena, Thor, Ring?) in order to get a quality thumper.
If you’re going for it, go for it.
By matta
March 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
6 inning pitchers? Hudson, Smoltz, and Glavine each had over 200 IP last year. We’ll see about Hampton’s durability, but he was a 200 IP as well before his injuries.
Road to the bullpen longer? Last year, our #3 threw 161 IP. Tom should pass that by at least 30 innings. Our #4 and #5 guys combined for 314 IP (or an average of 157 IP). We should have no problem with our back of the rotation averaging 5+ IP this year.
So, yeah, our bullpen should get much less of a workout this year than last.
By geauxbraves2000
March 26, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
From mlbtraderumors.com:
Dave O’Brien was right
You won’t see that too often :)
Just kidding DOB. Thanks for the great work!
Geaux Braves!!
By PopeVanIII
March 26, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Anyone who thought we could do any better for Yates wasn’t paying attention. He had an ERA over 5 last year and was badly overused. He wasn’t good this spring. Teams knew all of this, and they also knew he wasn’t going to make our club, meaning he’d be put on waivers or released soon enough.
This is the sort of player you get in return for an out-of-options middle reliever who can’t make your squad, even when your squad is seemingly going to carry 8 relievers to open the season.
At least they got something for him.
By ncscoots
March 26, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
With Smoltz, Hampton and Glavine being mostly 6-inning guys now, I can see him getting a lot of mileage out of the pre-setup guys.
If that’s true, you can wrap the season in a bow and send it to one of the actual playoff teams.
The starting pitching has to hold up. I’m not saying the starters have to produce 1000 innings or anything, but…if some “sixth starter” toes the slab 30 times, and/or the bullpen racks up 600+ innings, it will be a long season of blog bile being spewed.
Neither Jurrjens (because of his previous lack of innings) nor Hampton (because of his health history) can be expected to shell out 200 innings this year, and you can’t pitch them both at 5 to skip starts. That means one of them is going to cost the bullpen some innings. Those other three starters have to max their innings for the Braves to have a shot. End of story.
By eware
March 26, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
I’m a little sad to see Yates go. He seemed like a great guy - though we did not know much about him. But, business is business.
By DAP
March 26, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
a low minor league starter for yates…ok, i guess. i was hoping to see something we could use on the roster, like i think we all were, but if yates wasnt going to make the 25-man, which it looked like he wasnt, then i guess yates-for-whoever we can get inst a bad deal.
we still have some arms to trade, as well as a switch hitting catcher, and a Canadian. id love to see morgan ensberg on the team by the end of the day.
By chuckw/deadjournalist
March 26, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
JimD -
My bad on Baez, he didn’t make a start in ‘05. Barely remembered he even pitched here.
By ippisissiM
March 26, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Yes, I too had a little gag-reflex action brought on by the last name of the new acquisition. I still have not said aloud, or typed, the name of Mr. Basement-ball. Nor will I.
By Epinephrine
March 26, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Lew, what I meant was, should we anticipate further trades. I didn’t mean, is this all we are going to get. This is good value for Yates, esp. considering he was about to go on waivers.
By Daybed Wagmoe
March 26, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
Does Todd Redmond look like he’ll have playing time in Atlanta this year? If not, when might we see him?
By Shaun
March 26, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Shaun, it’s a bit different with the movie stars, though they do take flak for being sell-out when good actors show up in pointless money gigs. But to be like baseball, you’d have to think about, say, Al Pacino pulling out after Godfather I and taking more money to go make an ABC After School Special. Copola: “but Al, we gave you your shot, and now we need you for GF II … you and De Niro together, man…” Pacino: “It’s not up to me, Francis, my agent is just getting me market value.” I agree with you that it gets out of hand sometimes, but you must admit the dynamics are a bit different.
Actually Pacino can just choose whatever role he wants much like baseball players can choose whatever team he wants, so I don’t think greed is different across the board. And baseball players can’t back out of contracts to take more money. They do have to play out their contracts.
I just don’t agree that the greed and self-interest is different in any profession. Greed and self-interest is part of human nature. I think you sub a random group of any 1000 people into the lives of athletes, movie stars, etc. and you’ll get virtually the same behaviors.
By Randy S
March 26, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
Just caught Tiger talking on ESPN’s First Pizza talking about hitting against Smoltz. Saying Chipper was managing the sim game that day, Smoltz, as everyone else has said, can make it on the Senior Tour. Tiger actually brought Smoltz up himslef in the first place, saying that if Stanford and Michigan State advance in the tournament, they’ll have to make a bet.
By beachcomber
March 26, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Seldom happy to see any Brave leave. But it seemed Yates carried the proverbial gas can with him from the pen too often. Possibly addition by subtraction. Wish him well in my home city.
Off to the final game at Bright House for the spring - Yanks and Phils. We Braves fans have to be encouraged by what we’ve seen of Phils pitching this spring - not good.
By Renegator
March 26, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
See ya Yates. Have fun walking a bunch of guys for the Pirates.
By AdirondackDave
March 26, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
The Yates deal seems like that was all we could expect I guess. However, I’ll be disappointed if Pena goes without getting something clearly helpful to the club. In fact, I don’t really want to see Pena go at all. Switch hitter, adequate behind the plate, plays several other positions… sounds like a keeper to me. This guy would probably be a starter for some other teams. But what do I know.
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Wren says one more move will make their roster “manageable,” so I’d expect at least one more move. And like I said, I’m thinking Pena. Thorman possibly, but Pena seems more likely. More demand for him, and he’s expendable (so is Thorman, but just don’t think Braves would get comparable value, plus that’d leave them with zero pop on the bench unless they get someone else).
By chuckw/deadjournalist
March 26, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Let’s not overreact on the Yates deal for Richmond.
The Braves are known to trade for, or sign, a minor leaguer that no one has heard of, only to have that person become a useful piece later on …
Buddy Carlyle, Kevin Gryboski, Ken Ray, Will Cunnane, ring any bells?
No one knew them, most have forgotten them, but they were all effective most of the time they were with the organization.
By 22oz
March 26, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
The tigers released one of their lefty relievers today, so now they need one. Paging Royce Ring!
By Robert (chipper Is The Best)
March 26, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
I wonder what kind of interest the Braves would have in Chris Shelton of the Tigers. I know Morgan Ensberg’s name has been thrown around but I don’t know about him.
By Shaun
March 26, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
Regarding the Yates trade, I think the Braves come out pretty good.
Redmond: 7.28 K/9, 2.04 BB/9, 0.69 HR/9. Excellent control. Projects as a back-end-of-the-rotation starter if he can make it. He’s still young enough to get better.
He’s kind of the anti-Yates. Yates in the majors: 8.3 K/9 but 4.81 BB/9, 1 HR/9, 5.15 career ERA. Yates is the classic example of a fire-baller with sub par command. Kind of a poor man’s Kyle Farnsworth but he’s never been as good as Farnsworth at his (Farnsworth’s) best.
Good trade for the Braves to get a young control pitcher with some upside as a fourth or fifth starter.
By TK
March 26, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
DOB…have the Braves ever thought of letting Matt Diaz play some 3rd base? If KC & Braves think he has enough arm for catcher…he would enough for 3rd (can not be worse than Prado’s arm). I have read some…you have to be dreaming trades on here. Here is mine…Thorman, Pena, Brandon Jones, one or two of the out of option pitcher’s to the Orioles for Nick Markakis. The O’s stink. They need (everything) a 1st baseman, backup cather, Jones replaces Markakis. The Braves get a cheap up and coming player that allows them to use Diaz off the bench. I know most of you are wondering right now what I have been drinking for lunch.
By nOLIE
March 26, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Redmond=possible Silva type??
By Shaun
March 26, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
If the Braves had gone into the season with Yates on the roster, that would have been the time to overreact.
By Daybed Wagmoe
March 26, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Coach: Salary dump , that’s what this was. At least the got a young pitcher with all his options intact.
Not really. Yates will make $800,000 this year, so it’s not like that amount was squeezing the Braves or anything. Yates was expendable because he a) didn’t pitch well this spring and b) he was out of options. Not much of a salary dump.
By TJ
March 26, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
22oz, I just saw that too. You know, they might even be interested in Ridgway instead of Ring - the ol’ options thing, to allow them some flexibility. (to me, one LOOGY is about as good as another - and Ridgway was having a good spring until he blew up the other day).
Maybe something like Pena and Ring/Ridgway for Thames? They could then start Inge in CF while Granderson is hurt, and use Pena as backup catcher.
By ernesto
March 26, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
With the departure of Yates are we out of Hawaiians?
By Seymour
March 26, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
I wonder, though, if that $800,000 won’t play a part in the next trade to go down. It could influence a decision to take on a player who will cost a few million this year.
By Yunel Lillibridge
March 26, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
Despite being left with one lefty in the pen, you keep Boyer and Resop and trade Ring. Ring’s ability to get out lefties is overshadowed by his control (or lack thereof). Flip him to Detroit in a package deal with Thorman or Pena and another minor league piece to get Thames. Cox already said he doesn’t HAVE to have two lefties - He just wants someone who can get lefties out. You’ve always got Bueno down on the farm ready to be called up if you need a lefty later in the season. He impressed Cox in ST.
By David-ATL14
March 26, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
Nice move by Wren.
Still would like to see Wren package one of the out of option pen arms along with either Pena/Thorman to get a professional bat.
I’m thinking Hatteberg of the Reds would be a decent target. Take a lot less to acquire him than Thames.
If we could move one of the out of option arms in a deal, we could make an offer for Claudio Vargas to be a swing man. Though I’m afraid with the dearth of arms in MLB he(Vargas) would be more inclined to sign with a team needing a #4-5 for their rotation instead of serving as a long man for the Braves.
By AdirondackDave
March 26, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
Daybed — $800k is $800k, not inconsequential, not even to the Braves. Looks like a secondary factor but still a factor. Was it ‘ole Ben who said a penny saved is a penny earned?
By Braveheart
March 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
Here’s an article from yesterday in the Philly papers about Frenchy:
Francoeur loves to dish it out with Phillies fans young and old
Philadelphia Daily News LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - A couple of years ago, the Braves were playing in Philadelphia and the fans were getting on Atlanta rightfielder Jeff Francoeur pretty good. But let him tell the story.
“I was in the outfield [at Citizens Bank Park] while the Falcons were playing the Eagles on ‘Monday Night Football,’ ” he recalled. “And all the Phillies fans were out there just yelling at me about how the Falcons were going to get beat. Well, we beat ‘em, 14-10.
“So the next day, a lot of the same fans were there. And I started giving them the Eagles wave out there. And they started going off on me.”
That might not have been the wisest thing to do. But Francoeur, who has an outgoing personality and an infectious smile, not only lived to tell about it. He said he actually enjoyed the give-and-take.
“They thought it was funny,” he said. “Every time we go there, they’re all over me. But I interact with them. I think they enjoy that and have fun with it. It’s just a fun place to play. It’s a place that I think I would have fun playing. Because if you play hard, the fans will love you. That’s all they want.
“It’s a fun time. I love it. I eat cheesesteaks all the time, love to walk the streets and enjoy my time up there.”
One particular impression of Philly: “All I know is that the little kids get started early yelling at you,” he said with a laugh. “I remember turning around and seeing 5- and 6-year-old kids screaming at me and thinking, ‘Wow, they teach ‘em young up here.’ ” *
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By ippississiM
March 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
ncscoots: there are going to be about 1500 innings to pitch in a given season (counting games that go into extras), so you’d better hope the starting rotation can combine for better than 900 of those if you don’t want the bullpen to go over the 600 mark. If the top 3 spots average 200 IP each, and the bottom two combine for another 300, the bullpen is going to have to pick up something close to 600 innings. We really need to get more out of the last two spots if we don’t want the bullpen to start fading down the stretch.
By DAP
March 26, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
ernesto unless you count kala kaaihue in the minors…
By Ramblin Wrecker
March 26, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
I’m glad that Yates was the one (bullpen arm) to go. He had a great fastball, but seemed to get hit a lot for a guy who could reach 97mph on the gun. I think Boyer is a better pitcher and he’s a local which helps with fan interest. I’ve been waiting for him to make it back to Atlanta ever since 2006. Resop I’m not that familiar with, but I’ve read he has a lively arm that can reach 100mph. If he avoids contact and isn’t wild, then he should certainly be an upgrade over Yates.
By Ben
March 26, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Without looking into James’ numbers, this Todd Redmond dude sounds like the second coming. Before James made it to Atlanta, he was dubbed as a great control pitcher with a terrific changeup and decent fastball. I believe his strikeout numbers came down as he rose through the ranks (though I’m sure that’s the norm with control guys). Does anyone know of any differences between Chucky and Todd I’ve overlooked?
By Daybed Wagmoe
March 26, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
AdirondackDave — You’re right, $800k is $800k, and not inconsequential. But I wouldn’t think that it was the primary reason that the Braves traded him. Could’ve been for all I know, but I don’t think it was. I was responding to Coach’s comment that it was a salary dump by saying that it wasn’t.
By richbrave
March 26, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
DAYBED WAGMOE:
Gotta’ go with your assessment on Yates. He really played himself out of the Braves organization. And despite being well liked by Bobby.
What he saw in Yates I certainly don’t know, and cannot say. Here’s hoping he develops in some other organization.
We on the other hand got a pitcher who throws strikes, doesn’t issue walks, and generally has an upside game. Call it insurance in the system.
Still looking for the O-bat and D-back-up on the bench. As DOB said “tradeS” is the operative word.
By Stuart
March 26, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
I can’t believe that someone gave the Braves something for Yates. They hit the lottery. Anything for Yates is a bonus. He is terrible. He had a 5.01 ERA last year. The losses (if you can call them losses, I think it is addition by subtraction)of Wickman, Villareal, and Yates will help the Braves because the guys replacing them are better and this alone should push the win total up at least 5 games.
By Sir Stealth
March 26, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
I’m very happy with the Yates trade. A decent minor league starting pitcher is what I would have wanted for him. We get rid of him in time to avoid extra expenses and send him to a team that won’t compete with us. Sounds like something for nothing to me.
I don’t really understand all of this “Braves badly need something more for the bench” stuff. I don’t see the Tigers trading Thames now with Granderson hurt (although that would be a great pickup) and don’t see many others out there who would actually be worth it to us. That being said, it sounds like Wren probably will be making a move for a bench player who will be on our roster. That’s fine with me, but I don’t see it as being of all that much consequence. Remember that we already made a trade to supplement the bench with Infante and possibly Anderson (and if he doesn’t make it, then Blanco will have shown that he is valuable).
Anyway, good trade, hope the next one will be as sensible - Go Braves
By Braveheart
March 26, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
Besides dumping Yates, this is what the Braves probably see in Redmond:
Minor League stats:
ERA: Redmond, 3.30; Jurrjens, 3.21; Carmona, 3.41; Wang, 3.37
H9: Redmond, 8.36; Jurrjens, 8.53; Carmona, 9.14; Wang, 8.90
HR9: Redmond, 0.69; Jurrjens, 0.50; Carmona, 0.65; Wang, 0.45
BB9: Redmond, 2.04; Jurrjens, 2.17; Carmona, 1.68; Wang, 2.03
K9: Redmond, 7.28; Jurrjens, 7.24; Carmona, 5.77; Wang, 7.06
K/BB: Redmond, 3.57; Jurrjens, 3.34; Carmona, 3.43; Wang, 3.47
WHIP: Redmond, 1.16; Jurrjens, 1.19; Carmona, 1.20; Wang, 1.21
Don’t know what the GB/FB ratio is unfortunately but I’m guessing that is similar as well.
The Braves seem motivated to get pitchers that fit more into Roger McDowell’s own style as a pitcher: throw strikes and kill worms with groundball outs that don’t fly out for homers and extra base hits
By AdirondackDave
March 26, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this
Daybed — We probably actually agree on Yates. It clearly was a secondary factor in my mind. I wouldn’t describe it as a salary dump either. Kind of a useful bonus, a secondary benefit if FW plans to add a significant bench bat that will cost them a few million in salary this year.
By Wayne in Utah
March 26, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this
Tyler Yates wasn’t nearly the dud that some would have you think. Guy was overused last year at times for reasons we are all familiar. I suspect he will have a good year in Pittsburgh.
As many have stated, when other teams know you are down to the wire with players you can’t keep, that puts our trading partners in the drivers seat.
I would not be surprised to see a similar deal for Pena or Thorman.
We all would love to package all our reruns for a diamond in the rough, but those deals aren’t usually apparent to us fans.
What happens is occasionally we will get someone who comes in 3 years from now and helps out. (ie, John Smoltz)
Good luck Tyler Yates! (except when the Braves are in town!)
By ippississiM
March 26, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this
ernesto: Roger that on the lack of Hawaiians, but I believe there’s a 1B macadamia nut coming up through the minors who may or may not make it - named Kahlua or something.
By TJ
March 26, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Braveheart, great article on Frenchy. Good to see the guy can have fun with it, rather than get caught up…
As to Redmond, First Inning says his “GB%” is .39, which is not real good. I think he’s like James in that he is a fly-ball pitcher. Any way you look at it though, it’s a great haul in exchange for Tyler Yates… we need some RH starting depth in the minors, and this is a good step.
By chrisklob
March 26, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
PopeVanIII Totally agree with you 10.20 post. It amazes me that some folks slam Yates and then complain that all the Braves got back was a AA pitcher. If we think a guy has no value, don’t you think the other teams know that too? Wren wasn’t playing from a position of strength. Everyone knows what Yates is. This is not a situation where a prospect is hyped until everyone is in a frenzy and then he’s traded off to the highest bidder (a la Andy Marte) and then he tanks with the new club.
Kudos to Wren for getting something in return instead of losing the guy on the waiver wire. With any luck, the new guy contributes in the next year or two. If not, well, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Good luck Tyler!
By BT
March 26, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
DOB has proven once again that he knows what he is talking about. If Wren gets cooperation it sounds like Pena is gone. Doesn’t that still leave us with one too many pitchers?
By ernesto
March 26, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
Glad to hear we still have a Hawaiian in the sytem, saves us a scathing article by T. Moore
By AdirondackDave
March 26, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
What, wait a minute… Yates was a Hawaiian?? I missed out on all of that. No deal unless we get a couple koa ukes thrown in.
By ppaddy123
March 26, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
It seems to me, the Braves still have some decisions to make. Royce Ring is on the bubble in the bull pen. Brayan Pena or Corky Miller as the second catcher? Seems Miller is the favorite there. Martin Prado should stay up when they break camp. But, will the Braves deal Thorman and keep Lillibridge on the roster? Josh Anderson or Gregor Blanco? What about Joe Borchard? Blanco has certainly paid his dues as a Brave and is a fine ball player. Josh Anderson is a better outfielder (my opinion) and has better speed. I’d like to see him used as a late game defensive replacement and spot starter if he makes the cut. Does Borchard have any trade value? He’s had decent Spring training numbers. There’s just really no room for him on our roster, and I don’t think he’s AAA material. He’s what Don Sutton always called a AAAA player. Probably can throw Thorman in that same description. It’s gonna’ be interesting……
By Braveheart
March 26, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
As to Redmond, First Inning says his “GB%” is .39, which is not real good. I think he’s like James in that he is a fly-ball pitcher. Any way you look at it though, it’s a great haul in exchange for Tyler Yates… we need some RH starting depth in the minors, and this is a good step.
OOPS, my bad, T.J.
I was just making an assumption based on those other stats. If his GB/FB is like that, then never mind what I said.
I never heard of the web site you mentioned but I just checked it out. Thanks. Good looking out. Looks like you are right. He is more of a Chuck James flyball pitcher.
Well, anyways…….. :>)
By Shaun
March 26, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah, I suspect he’ll put up an ERA between 4 and 5, strikeout about 50-60 batters and walk about 30 in 60-70 games.
Some ERA projections for 2008 (found at fangraphs.com):
Bill James - 4.36 in 64 IP
CHONE - 3.95 in 57 IP
Marcel - 4.57 in 63 IP
MINER - 4.12 in 65 IP
ZiPS - 4.22 in 64 IP
Not a bad pitcher but certainly not one you want to send in in any key spots in a game you’re trying to win.
By Efrim
March 26, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
I like the trade. Yates has a good arm, but simply can’t show the command to be a key setup guy for this team.
I like the bullpen. Soriano should be an excellent closer, and Moylan, Ohman and Acosta should prove to be above average setup men.
I’d go with Resop, Boyer and Bennett as the other three arms. Trade Ring.
By Wayne in Utah
March 26, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
Shaun: I know that he self destructed on several occasions last year, but I also remember he was serious lights out on others. Early in the year, as I seem to recall, he was more often lights out than self destruct. (I don’t have the time to do the splits on his season)
Anyway, he is gone. Who will be next?
By David O'Brien
March 26, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
NEW BLOGGAGE IS UP
By DAP
March 26, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
if this guy is as good as chuck james then its definitely a good trade.
yeah, i said it.
By nOLIE
March 26, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Besides dumping Yates, this is what the Braves probably see in Redmond:
Minor League stats:Braveheart
Is that through the same levels for everybody or does it include AA/AAA numbers for some of the other guys?
By Tom in NYC
March 26, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Ernesto, just curious but are you the same Ernesto from Protrade?
By TennesseePaul
March 26, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Long man/Spot starter. In 2006 this was Villarreal. In 2007 it was Villarreal as well, but without the starts (the team tossed JoJo the starts and he stunk). This year, Villarreal’s position is taken by Bennett. Good for Bennett. Some one posted above that he has a great story. And it is. And I hope it turns out well for him without melting towards the end like Ray.
Now, if I’m not mistaken, James will be going to Richmond to start the season due to his torn rotator cuff which forced a late Spring Start for him. That’s no knock on James. Wren stated at the beginning of Spring that James’ chances of being in the rotation were thin. Not in so many words, but the idea was there. Richmond should have a solid team this year. And I wouldn’t be too surprised to find James pitching on the same, or similar schedule in Richmond as Hampton in Atlanta, making for an easy switcheroo if/when Hampton goes down. Or perhaps they back up Jair this way with James.
I think best case, Jair throws 160 innings this year. He hasn’t thrown more than 143 innings a season in his career and he’s been maxing out at 140, thrown it only 3 times. James threw 132 IP in 2004, 167 in 2005, 153.2 in 2006 and 161.1 in 2007. If he can be more consistent with his delivery I think his durability would improve allowing him to advance some on the innings front. A third pitch would help as well.
Either way, I’m not sure it’s correct to view Bennett as taking James place on the team. Jair took James place. Bennett is taking Villarreal’s spot. Actually, since James was the 3rd starter last year, it could be argued that Glavine is taking James place and Jair is filling in for Carlyle/JoJo. Hampton is taking Redman’s spot and Bennett filling in for Villarreal.
One final thought: I’m thinking Tyler Yates might not be a Brave at the end of the day.
This was a great way to wake up. It got even better as I scrolled through the posts to find he was already traded (For those concerned, Mark Redman is a bit different than Todd Redmon so we might be safe). I’ve been hoping for this all off season. Finally it happened and I couldn’t be happier. That’s addition by subtraction. Now the question is, which of the remaining relievers is going to stink yet still be run out there every night for 4 straight weeks until the city revolts. I’m looking at the list and I can’t find anyone that’s jumping off the page for this job. That’s comforting.
those other three starters have to max their innings for the Braves to have a shot. End of story.
Scoots: I don’t know, with the 6 man rotation if we can get 180 from Glavine and Smoltz, 150 from Hampton, 200 from Hudson with Jair pitching in 140, that 6th starter, Bennett it appears, only needs to get in about 160+ innings (as a starter plus whatever he needs to do as a reliever, long man). Seems like a good plan. He’s had 2 starts in the majors to go with his great 13 start South American experience so we should be good.
What a story, from large and obscure with 6 starts at the end of the previous season to around 200 relief and starting innings in the majors the following season, and he lost weight!
Subway’s Jared can’t even top that. Not even after ten years of eating the same sandwich every single day.
By Daybed Wagmoe
March 26, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
TennPaul — it’s Todd Redmond, not Redmon, although I also thought of the similarity in their last names myself.
On a different note…I know that Pena is expendable, but I’m kinda hoping that he’ll stick around. At the least, he gives the Braves a switch-hitter off the bench. That’s got to be worth something, though I guess it’s got more value for trades as opposed to keeping him in Atlanta. Also, he’s hit .300+ in three straight years of AAA ball in Richmond. One would think that those stats would transfer over more playing time in Atlanta (he just hasn’t gotten much of a chance — .221 in 113 at-bats over three seasons). Oh well.
By TennesseePaul
March 26, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
Repost from the last blog. I apologize, but here it is again:
Long man/Spot starter. In 2006 this was Villarreal. In 2007 it was Villarreal as well, but without the starts (the team tossed JoJo the starts and he stunk). This year, Villarreal’s position is taken by Bennett. Good for Bennett. Some one posted above that he has a great story. And it is. And I hope it turns out well for him without melting towards the end like Ray.
Now, if I’m not mistaken, James will be going to Richmond to start the season due to his torn rotator cuff which forced a late Spring Start for him. That’s no knock on James. Wren stated at the beginning of Spring that James’ chances of being in the rotation were thin. Not in so many words, but the idea was there. Richmond should have a solid team this year. And I wouldn’t be too surprised to find James pitching on the same, or similar schedule in Richmond as Hampton in Atlanta, making for an easy switcheroo if/when Hampton goes down. Or perhaps they back up Jair this way with James.
I think best case, Jair throws 160 innings this year. He hasn’t thrown more than 143 innings a season in his career and he’s been maxing out at 140, thrown it only 3 times. James threw 132 IP in 2004, 167 in 2005, 153.2 in 2006 and 161.1 in 2007. If he can be more consistent with his delivery I think his durability would improve allowing him to advance some on the innings front. A third pitch would help as well.
Either way, I’m not sure it’s correct to view Bennett as taking James place on the team. Jair took James place. Bennett is taking Villarreal’s spot. Actually, since James was the 3rd starter last year, it could be argued that Glavine is taking James place and Jair is filling in for Carlyle/JoJo. Hampton is taking Redman’s spot and Bennett filling in for Villarreal.
One final thought: I’m thinking Tyler Yates might not be a Brave at the end of the day.
This was a great way to wake up. It got even better as I scrolled through the posts to find he was already traded (For those concerned, Mark Redman is a bit different than Todd Redmon so we might be safe). I’ve been hoping for this all off season. Finally it happened and I couldn’t be happier. That’s addition by subtraction. Now the question is, which of the remaining relievers is going to stink yet still be run out there every night for 4 straight weeks until the city revolts. I’m looking at the list and I can’t find anyone that’s jumping off the page for this job. That’s comforting.
those other three starters have to max their innings for the Braves to have a shot. End of story.
Scoots: I don’t know, with the 6 man rotation if we can get 180 from Glavine and Smoltz, 150 from Hampton, 200 from Hudson with Jair pitching in 140, that 6th starter, Bennett it appears, only needs to get in about 160+ innings (as a starter plus whatever he needs to do as a reliever, long man). Seems like a good plan. He’s had 2 starts in the majors to go with his great 13 start South American experience so we should be good.
What a story, from large and obscure with 6 starts at the end of the previous season to around 200 relief and starting innings in the majors the following season, and he lost weight!
Subway’s Jared can’t even top that. Not even after ten years of eating the same sandwich every single day.
By Random
March 27, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Last?