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Decisions coming for Braves
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Lake Buena Vista, Fla. — Is this thing over yet? No? Then we trudge forward.
Spring training ain’t over, but we can see the figurative whites of the regular season’s eyes on the horizon. You folks ready? Because I sure as (hey now) know that I am.
Enough speculating, projecting, questions about far-fetched trades that would never be discussed, much less completed, and enough hearing how people are upset that this national media outlet or that person-with-a-blog didn’t give the Braves proper respect.
Let’s get between the lines at the new D.C. park, whatever they’re calling it, and play a game March 30. Or last least get to Turner Field and play a couple of exhibitions in a real major league park in a city where the traffic is made up of people going to work or to the store or wherever, and not people in rented PT Cruisers driving 20 mph in a 40-mph zone while reading a spread-out map and trying to figure out if that’s the right turn to Epcot or Animal Hell er, Kingdom.
Yes, March 27 can’t get here soon enough. That’s the day the Braves play the Mets at Dark Star, and about 20 minutes after the last pitch, I’ll be marching to my packed-and-ready rental car and heading directly to the airport for my merciful escape flight out of Fun City Inc. and home to Atlanta.
(While I’m spewing venom, let me add that this CBS online feed of the KU-Portland State game that I’m watching as I type this, is an absolute joke. I get 10 seconds of moving figures on the screen every minute or so. And now it’s too late to drive to a sports bar to watch it before heading to the ballpark for the night game.)
(I know, no sympathy from you who are stuck in office cubicles right now, so I’ll shut up.)
But back to the business at hand, the last week of exhibition games, when things really start to get interesting (funny how that works; we’re all pretty well worn out and numb now after five weeks or relatively uneventful workouts and games with liberal substitution patterns; now the games start to mean something, the final cuts coming, the trade discussions start to become relevant, and we’re all just ready to be done with this and start the season).
But anyway, never fear, we’re on the case, making calls, sending e-mails and texts, trying to see if we can get a tidbit from a team official here or a beat writer in another town there, something that might indicate a trade that’s brewing. I’ll report anything I hear as soon as I hear it, you can be assured.
In the meantime, we’ll try to include as much music talk as time allows, for the benefit of the certain fella with a South Georgia-flavored screen name who tactfully offered the blog-content suggestion yesterday.
On Friday night I’m going to the Band Of Horses show (that’s a concert, Maconboy, not an equestrian event) at the Social here in Orlando. Yes, there are some cool music events here - it’s just that most take place in the other side of Orlanopolis, a good 30-40 minutes from Dark Star and nearly an hour from the spring rental home of the Braves/MIB blog.
Great matchup tonight: Tim Hudson is set to face Detroit’s Justin Verlander tonight in the last of four night games this spring. But despite that tasty starting matchup, the Tigers and plenty of their more savvy fans will be playing closer attention to Braves relievers who might get in the game.
Specifically, Braves out-of-options relievers.
The Tigers are looking for bullpen help, and the Braves have four out-of-options relief pitchers - Blaine Boyer, Chris Resop, Tyler Yates, lefty Royce Ring - and have drawn trade interest from Detroit. To what degree, I can’t tell you on each guy. But obviously, a few other teams would snatch up one or more of those guys on waivers before they fell to the Tigers.
So a trade is possible. But likely? I’m not sure. Given Braves GM Frank Wren’s relationship with Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski, his former Marlins boss, it wouldn’t at all surprise me if the Braves and Tigers did another deal (they already did the Renteria-for-Jurrjens & Gorkys deal (Jurrjens & Gorkys - kind of sounds like the name of a cool band, doesn’t it?)
Here’s the thing. Wren likes good arms, values them a lot. So I can’t see the Braves allowing Boyer, Resop or Ring to be snatched up on waivers, and Bobby Cox likes Yates a lot, so same thing. Plus, they tendered the arb-eligible Yates this winter; I don’t know that a bad spring can change their thoughts about a guy they watched all last season and obviously thought enough of to retain.
The Braves have Jeff Bennett and Buddy Carlyle (BLOGMEISTER NOTE: Carlyle’s not out of options; found that out today] for a reliever/spot-starter role. I could see them sending both to Richmond to begin the season.
That would give the Braves room to carry, in addition to the bullpen certainties — Soriano, Moylan, Ohman, Acosta — three from the out-of-options gang of Boyer-Resop-Yates-Ring.
So you trade one of those guys and keep the others. Not too difficult.
As for the other moves . Well, it gets stickier when you start trying to figure out what to do with out-of-options position guys including catcher Brayan Pena and first baseman Scott Thorman.
Joe Borchard’s had a great spring, but he’s on a minor league contract, so it seems likely, to me at least, that the Braves will send the outfielder to Richmond and call him up when they need a power bat during the season.
Prospect Brent Lillibridge has struggled mightily with the slider all spring, and the Braves will send him back to the minors for more seasoning, unless they really believe it’s a must to have a second backup middle-infielder from Day 1, in addition to Martin Prado.
Yes, I see them keeping Prado for the utility infield job, at least until Omar Infante is ready a month or so from now. And they might keep Prado around after that, depending what he does and the way things play out at other positions between now and then.
Fourth outfielder is still a race between Gregor Blanco and Josh Anderson, and the sense is that Blanco has moved ahead of Anderson. Both have options and can be sent to Richmond, whichever doesn’t make the team.
One possible scenario, and it’s just a possibility: Braves could keep Pena, since he would be snatched up in a hurry by a catcher-needy team (and there are plenty). They could keep him on the opening day roster as a third catcher and emergency OF/1B/3B (he’s not much more than serviceable defensively at any of those positions, but is serviceable).
Then you could keep either fine catch-and-throw man Clint Sammons, Corky Miller or Javy Lopez as primary backup catcher and not lose Pena on options, then also keep Thorman as backup first baseman (unless or until you can trade him for something), and just have Prado as your backup infielder at the other spots, with Lillibridge a call away if anything happens.
Or you could just keep Pena as backup catcher and use that extra spot (no Javy/Sammons/Corky) for a second backup infielder or, if you really want Borchard’s bat, keep him as a fifth outfielder (only plays the corners) and emergency 1B (he’s played it a bit in the past, with Florida. Not good there, but can play it, and it’d only be in an emergency).
So many ways it can go. Stay tuned.
Speaking of tunes .
”OLD SIDE OF TOWN” by Tom T. Hall
Ain’t it strange how people change and almost over night
Who once was a country girl is now a socialite
We’re proud for you but when you’re through and seek some common ground
Oh we miss you on the old side of town
We still drink cokes and tell old jokes and we bowl at splits and strikes
Country music still plays on a jukebox every night
Society is not for me but I can still be found oh we miss you on the old side of town
RSVP is not for me and black tie’s not my style
I thought you’d like to know cause you ain’t been here for awhile
We read about your tour de force we’re glad you get around
But we miss you on the old side of town
We still drink cokes and tell old jokes and we bowl at splits and strikes
George Jones is still a hero on the jukebox every night
Society is not for me but I can still be found oh we miss you on the old side of town
Babe we miss you on the old side of town




DEL.ICIO.US

Comments
By DCbrave
March 20, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
1st?
By DCbrave
March 20, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
Yes, 1st! Thanks DoB for the update. This is one of the longer ones. Loved it.
By David-ATL14
March 20, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
Excellent observations about the impending roster configuarations.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I sense more and more from listening to the “Professor” on the radio call and reading both ” Git er done Bowman” and the crusading one that Pena is either going to stcik as the backup catcher or the 2nd utility man. I hope so, I believe he can help in a bench role.
Also another thought on the possible goings on with the Tigers and DD.
Tigers don’t have an actual backup other than Marcus Thames a natural outfielder unless you consider Mike Hessman in what would be considered a monumental stretch of credulity.
Tigers obviously have interest in some of our out of options arms for their pen.
There’s a guestion forthcoming everyone I promise.
DOB What would it take added to a package of Thorman/BP arm of the Tigers choosing from the aforementioned quartet to snag Thames from the Tigers?
By PABravefan
March 20, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
I’m with you DOB, Let’s get it going!! I hae tickets to the opener in DC and can’t wait. The seats are way over priced, but that is the closest for me to see the Bravos!!
By Randy
March 20, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
D.O.B. great info. a trade with Detroit makes sense. How was Soriano’s velosity?, and how is his arm feeling?
By sane jane
March 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
With apologies of hot-blooded women everywhere, please no more Javy Lopez.
I’m a little surprised to see Blanco rated higher than Josh Anderson. I sorta thought JA had made his mark while GB was still very much in question.
My heart is pulling for the ‘Dawgs, but my bracket has X going all the way to The Eight. What to do?
By Big Al
March 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
Has there been any concern about the offense of Kelly Johnson this spring? He has one of the lower averages on the team and seems to have struck out a fair amount. Has he at least been hitting the ball solidly? At this point I would have to say he has been outplayed by Prado who’s defense appears to be just as good and who’s shown much more consistency at the plate.
By Ramblin Wrecker
March 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
To me, seeing as how the backup 1B will only play if Tex gets hurt, why not keep Joe Borchard for his bat. Plus you forgot to mention, my good friend DOB, that Matt Diaz is capable of slipping on a 1B mitt and not embarassing himself. So to me that makes keeping Borchard a better option than Scott Thorman. Neither will get on the field much without Tex getting injured, so defense is really irrelevant for this spot. Hitting is the key, and the fact is, one guy is hitting the other is not. So keep Borchard, Blanco/Anderson as the backups in the OF, let Diaz serve as the emergency 1B for defensive purposes, then keep Prado as the utility IF. As far as backup C goes, I think having some pop would be helpful, so keep Lopez, plus he could be a key pinch hitter from the right side to compliment Borchard as a lefty. Then I think you keep Bryan Pena because he is out of options, and he offers more defensive flexibility than Thorman and is a better contact hitter than Thor. Then when Infante comes off the DL, then decide between Pena/Borchard/Lopez about who to ship out. I feel fairly confident that Prado is going to do well enough to stay even when Infante comes back.
By knowitall
March 20, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
On Friday night I’m going to the Band Of Horses show (that’s a concert, Maconboy, not an equestrian event
Now that was funny.
By Robert
March 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
That nationals released John Patterson. We should pick him up. He is really good when healthy
By SNIPER-69
March 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
I’ve seen a few of the braves games and conclude that they’ll be no worse than 3rd place. They have a shot at 2nd if Philly’s pitching falters.
By Nate
March 20, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
I want everyone on here who truly thinks that Soriano can be an effective front line closer all year, without his arm exploding, to raise their hand.
By MGL
March 20, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
SNIPER-69, How nice of you to say that, you know how much we value your opinion.
By TennesseePaul
March 20, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
I’d like to see Boyer make the team. A good friend of mine out here is named Boyer. He’s a Dodger fan but the more I pump up his distant cousin thrice removed the more interested he is in cheering for the Braves.
The final cuts will be interesting enough though. I’m curious to see what happens. Perhaps we could acquire some injured power pitchers along the lines of the guy we got for Tony Pena Jr last year…
GO BRAVES!!
By DAP
March 20, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
i think borchard is a switch “hitter”
By Renegator
March 20, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Nice Mets-style choke by the Dawgs.
God, I love it!
By kdbanks
March 20, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
What’s with all the baseball talk. Doesn’t anyone want to discuss the TLIMS concert coming up next week? Man.
By Chop Chop
March 20, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
I have Kansas winning it all, assuring Rock Chalk of an early exit.
By flange1
March 20, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
Well for me the season is now over SNIPER-69 says the Braves are only a third place team. Guess I will just watch golf and tennis all spring and summer.
Bummer…
By Bryan
March 20, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
I have seen a few of SNIPER-69’s post and conclude that he is a dumb a$$.
SNIPER-69, question about your screen name?
Is it SNIPER-69 because you like to 69 other snipers or 69 your rifle?
Either way, someone is getting their nuts blown …
By flange1
March 20, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Nate,
My hand is raised.
By Soriano
March 20, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Nate, I would raise my hand but my elbow hurts.
By midtownBrave
March 20, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Sniper Don’t worry brother, ST games really don’t matter much. Plus the Phillies have obvious pitching problems (and they play in a hitters park - you do the math).
The only team that could even come close to the braves this year in the NL east will be the mets. But the mets have a lot on their hands. First they need to stay healthy before even thinking about winning the division. Plus adding a Santana doesn’t make them better than many teams in the NL.
I like the Braves, Cubs and Padres’ rotations better than the Mets rotation. Mets offense is good but the Braves and Phillies have a better, more balanced offense. The Braves had a good line-up last year too and they are only going to be even better this year with Tex playing the whole season, and getting rid of Andrew and other Woodcraps from the line-up.
So have some faith fellow fan.
By Jeff
March 20, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Yates has got to go…or trade him….. He hasn’t shown anything this spring, or really last year. He’s going to provide a good batting practice session for anybody he pitches against.
By DAP
March 20, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
why would we need marcus thames?
if we make a trade, what do you guys see us needing? just wondering, cause im starting to think i might not be on the same page…
By SAMMY THE HEAD MILLER
March 20, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
lets get this party started!
By BA
March 20, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
I’ve seen a few Mets games. They might finish third if they can get Pedro to put the fighting chickens down. They’ve got great fans, they all put their needles down and clap when Reyes grounds out to third and refuses to run it out. It’s all very inspiring.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
A lot of tough decisions coming…soon. One thing is for sure, Richmond is going to be STOCKED in its final season. I would think that with all the recent catcher injuries, we could get a good return on either Pena or Sammons, even Javy in the right situation.
I don’t know what the Tigers have that would match up with our needs, but if they’ll take Ring and give us a prospect, that sounds fair. Ring won’t get through waivers; lefty relievers are just too rare and his upside is still pretty good.
I can’t see Boyer NOT making the team. Resop has been pretty outstanding this spring, so I can’t see dumping him. I like Yates’ arm, but he just doesn’t seem to be able to put people away…I’d take a chance at sneaking him through waivers.
No matter what happens, I’ll b*** and moan and call Wren an idiot. But it really looks like he assembled the parts to address our weak bench and rotation. It’s just sad there are too many good, useful parts that we can’t keep unless they play.
I’d have to agree that Blanco has moved ahead of Anderson. He’s played well, and the Braves owe him, so he has to be the favorite. Too bad for Josh, though. He only did everything they asked him to do.
Borchard too, but having him a phone call away is why we got him, so he’s on his way to Richmond. He’ll be back, though.
By Goodoleboy58
March 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Sniper- It’s good to know that you think the Braves are better then the Marlins and Nationals.. great insight
By SAMMY THE HEAD MILLER
March 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Sniper-69 you are truly an idiot!
By BetaMan
March 20, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
There already is a cool band with “Gorkys” in their name: Gorkys Zygotic Mynci….i recommend their album Spanish Dance Troupe
By The Man
March 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Bryan
Good one. I needed a good laugh at work today.
By SNIPER-69
March 20, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
you guys are just too sensitive. There nothing wrong with 3rd place. The braves have finished there the last couple of years without shame.
By Jim Hertel
March 20, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
I hate seeing the Braves lose, even when it is a ST game. So last night’s lose was a real bummer, considering how far the Braves came back — only to lose. However, that could be a “productive” lose if it means Buddy Carlyle doesn’t make the team. I saw enough of him the last part of last year. Go with Bennett. He couldn’t be worse than Buddy was at the end and has been this Spring.
By DAP
March 20, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
my thought on what our last piece to trade for is a guy who has reasonable power, that we can use to pinch hit, and who can play 1st and 3rd…mostly third, and maybe LF if he HAD to.
guys like morgan ensberg, jeff conine, kevin millar, nomar, ect. closest the tigers have to that is guillen, and they aint gonna trade him.
if its a player that wont make the major league roster, i hope is a young arm.
By Allie2
March 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Has there been any concern about the offense of Kelly Johnson this spring? He has one of the lower averages on the team and seems to have struck out a fair amount. Has he at least been hitting the ball solidly? At this point I would have to say he has been outplayed by Prado who’s defense appears to be just as good and who’s shown much more consistency at the plate.
KJ will be just fine. Just a few days ago his average was .300 or so and it looked like he was having a great spring. That is one of the problems of looking to closely at ST stats. The sample size is so small that just a few at bats can effect your numbers good or bad. Also, he has only struck out 4 times and from what I have seen and what others have said he looks a lot better at second. In other words, the kid isn’t gonna lose his starting job because of the mixed results of 38 at bats in the spring. Prado is a nice utility player and nothing more.
BTW, I have been reading the blog for a while now, but this is my first post. Great job DOB.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
In a righteous world, Shawn Mullins’ “Beautiful Wreck” would be a huge hit on commercial radio. But commercial radio is godawful garbage, so it’s not a big hit.
But really, that only allows me to enjoy it more as I drive into Dark Star property with Mullins’ “9th Ward Pickin’ Parlor” CD playing….
OK, down to the field for BP.
By TJ
March 20, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
I think the Mets have the best pitching in the division. And the Phillies have the best hitting.
Therefore, I’ll pick … The Braves. We have the best combination of O and D of the three, and I think that’s a perfect formula for success.
By Steve McP
March 20, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Sniper 69 must be really hot on the National if he thinks they are going to beat the Phillies and Braves in the NL East
By knowitall
March 20, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
flange1 I second that motion.
By Andy K.
March 20, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
DOB Do you think there’s any chance of us Picking Up John Patterson? Add him to the Richmond rotation, so he can get called up when needed, and possibly in line for a spot in the rotation…
By Warren Haynes For President
March 20, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Going to see ole Jason Isbell tonight at Eddie’s Attick. Can’t wait. Dress Blues ought to be a hit as well.
By AdirondackDave
March 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the very thorough roster decision update, DOB. Jeez, it’s complicated for us geezers. Now we know why why JS bumped himself upstairs… Kidding there in case he’s on-line today.
By Josh H
March 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
“By Big Al
March 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
Has there been any concern about the offense of Kelly Johnson this spring? He has one of the lower averages on the team and seems to have struck out a fair amount. Has he at least been hitting the ball solidly? At this point I would have to say he has been outplayed by Prado who’s defense appears to be just as good and who’s shown much more consistency at the plate.”
Well, he’s out-hitting Texeira right now.
Remember that batting averages aren’t an exact science in Spring Training. Prado has more at bats than Kelly Johnson. He also tends to be subbed in after the first few innings, in other words, after the opposing team has pulled their starter. Its very likely Prado was teeing off on a AAA or worse pitcher.
Do I know this for a fact? No. But I wouldn’t worry about Kelly’s, Texeira’s, or any of the other regular’s at bats. Kelly is the starting 2nd baseman.
If he’s batting .230 at the end of April, then you can be worried. But I have the feeling his average will be closer to .330…
By Mike in LA
March 20, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
The Bench should be: Blanco, Prado, Pena, Thorman, and Lopez at least until infante comes back
By JimD
March 20, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Flange, in response to your comment on the last blog let me say:
I agree it is a shame to just let some of the out of options (03) guys go. But every team has them. Most teams have probably at least 3 of the 03 guys. So chances are if you just bide your time, you will be able to claim a good player off the waiver wire and it not cost you a player.
And it seems that the going rate for an 03 guy is not a roster player, but a low-level prospect. So, I beleive the Braves should explore trades and get all they can for the 03 guys, I just don’t think they will get someone ready for a major league roster. Not the Braves’ roster at least. We are still pretty high up on the food chain.
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
go way back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qSWCjalySc
By AdirondackDave
March 20, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
Had lunch with a serious Mets fan today. She figures Braves to be really good this year and talked a lot about Chipper and his clutch play against the Mets. I mentioned that he told us here on the blog a month or so ago that he planned to play until he was 40 and after that it would depend on family and health. She audibly groaned when hearing that.
By DAP
March 20, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
wasnt kelly out hit by prado last spring to? everyone was kinda miffed that prado didnt get a fair shake.
then kelly went out in april and hit .326 with a 1.066 OPS, hit 5 HR and 15 RBI from the leadoff spot, and walked like 24 times…
By Epinephrine
March 20, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
Anyone that is talking about playing Prado over KJ ought to be taken back behind the woodshed.
Kelly is a gamer. He is guy that will draw walks and work counts, which is exactly what you want out of that spot. He is also a guy that has some pop. He needs to work on consistency and Ks, but he knows it. That is what the spring is for-getting work in, try some new things, and get mentally ready for the season. Caring about his BA right now is simply missing the point.
By Kevin
March 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Who do you pull for in basketball Renegator? Florida? If so, congrats on making the tournament this year.
By HuffBraves
March 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
Wow, just saw the caption on the pic in Bowman’s Soriano story: “Rafael Soriano fanned Houston sluggers Lance Berkman and Brad Ausmus on Wednesday.”
This may be the only time in his life Brad Ausmus has been referred to as a “slugger.”
By FJR
March 20, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this
Are you really considering putting a guy who has never proven anything against major league pitching (Prado) in over a guy who was one of the better offesnsive 2B last year (K-JO), in only his first season at 2B? Based on SPRING TRAINING BATTING AVERAGE? Really?
By ncscoots
March 20, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
Aren’t the Tigers more interested in RH relief than LH? That would seem to mitigate against Ring as one of the out-of-options trade pieces, no?
As far as the position decisions go, any way you slice it, the bench appears it will be very inexperienced, unless a trade of some sort for a veteran bat comes along.
By FJR
March 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
DOB,
My best friend (Patrick Blanchard) plays bass for Shawn Mullins when he’s not playing solo acoustic. Met Shawn a few times, nice guy. I say his biggest asset is he has a great vision of what he wants every song to sound like and can really get it there.
By ncscoots
March 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Caring about his BA right now is simply missing the point.
But, Ep, you’ve used that very point when throwing Brandon Jones under the bus this spring. I mean, that guy, you’ve practically got him out of baseball already, LOL. A little harsh and hasty, IMO.
By Bravosimos
March 20, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
DOB, Does Prado have any speed? And who’s defense is better Prado or Anderson? I love speed and the Braves don’t have much. If Anderson has had such a good spring, I think we should keep him.
By Renegator
March 20, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
Whats that Kevin? Back to back National Champions? That’s what I thought. Talk trash once your team even sniffs one national championship.
By OrlandoFan
March 20, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
I’ve been a propoenent all spring for keeping Pena for his versatility. Then keep Javy for some power. When Infante returns, you can make a decision about which one stays/goes. But to open, let’s give it as shot with both. Thorman 1B/LF, Prado 2/3/SS/LF, Pena C/1/3, Lopez C/1, Anderson/Blanco LF/CF/RF. Not a bad bench, with some balance left and right and some power and some defense. Infante improves it vastly, but when you are limited to 5 players — see yesterday’s post for my feelings about that — versatility unfortunately sometimes can outpoint talent in building the bench. There’s no room, in my view, for a catch-and-throw guy as 20% of your bench.
By Epinephrine
March 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
nscoots,
My assessment of Brandon Jones has nothing to do with this spring. From the few times I have seen him, I just haven’t seen what I think will pan out to be a big league player. Granted, I am about as far from a scout as you can be, but its just a gut feeling of mine. For some reason, I just don’t really like B. Jones.
Also, while I do not think spring training numbers matter at all for veterans, I think they can be at least somewhat useful for people battling for a job. For guys like KJ, Mac, CJ, Tex-all this is about is getting work in. For guys like Prado, Lill, Thorman, Javy, these numbers do matter in at least some context. So I think you need two different conversations when looking at those numbers. Furthermore, that makes a comparison between KJ and Prado even more absurd.
But definitely do not interpret my feeling for Brandon Jones over his spring numbers alone.
By flange1
March 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this
JimD,
To a certain extent, I agree with you. I would not expect to trade Thorman or B Pena for Marcus Thames or Chad Tracy!
Guys like that should be spun for prospects similar to what we did with Tony Pena Jr.
The pitchers are another story.
But I believe our bench is weak. If we end up with Prado and Infante as middle infielders so be it. Good fielding, no power, fair contact hitters.
The backup 1B (Thorman) is a poor contact hitter with below average fielding skills and some power.
Backup at catcher could be Javy, Corky, Sammons or B Pena. Sammons and Corky = good defense + no offense
Javy=?
B Pena= decent bat, below average glove
Outfield = Anderson/Blanco = good glove, decent contact hitter, NO POWER
All in all, we will have no stud pinch hitter in the group. I almost would bench Diaz and use him as a PH because he handles the role so well.
We need a stud pinch hitter.
By TK
March 20, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
DOB…or anyone. Did Scott Thorman not get drafted by the Braves as a 3rd baseman? Played some 3rd in the minors?
By Epinephrine
March 20, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
I should also add that I am perfectly willing to accept I may be dead wrong about B Jones, and would be thrilled to eat crow. I just don’t think that will happen.
By Kevin
March 20, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
I figured you would come back with that. That’s why I said THIS year. Your obviously bitter and it’s understandable. At least you guys still have a shot at the coveted NIT championship. Has Billy D. even let your scrubs back in the gym yet?
By BB FAN
March 20, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
SNIPER-69 “you guys are just too sensitive. There nothing wrong with 3rd place. The braves have finished there the last couple of years without shame.”
There actually isn’t anything wrong with finishing 3rd for 2 seasons… after finishing 1st for 15 seasons.
I believe the Mets finished 3rd or worst 10-12 seasons since 1990. I remember the Mets finishing 1st just one time since 1990, 2nd maybe 5 times. I think they finished last 3 or 4 times as well.
Keep talking Sniper. You are a typical Mets fan. You think your team is the greatest money can buy because of that ONE division title 2 years ago. Congrats on that.
By TJ
March 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
mlbtr reports that the Twins and Nathan are close on a contract extension: they’re speculating on a 3-year, $45 million deal.
For the life of me, I can’t see how a mid-market team like the Twins can justify paying a guy $15 mil a year for 70 innings. There are too many guys like Soriano, Gonzalez and who-knows-who else who can do almost as well for 20% of the money.
By BB FAN
March 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
SNIPER-69 “you guys are just too sensitive. There nothing wrong with 3rd place. The braves have finished there the last couple of years without shame.”
There actually isn’t anything wrong with finishing 3rd for 2 seasons… after finishing 1st for 15 seasons with a World Series win and 5 NL pennants.
I believe the Mets finished 3rd or worst 10-12 seasons since 1990. I remember the Mets finishing 1st just one time since 1990, 2nd maybe 5 times. I think they finished last 3 or 4 times as well.
Keep talking Sniper. You are a typical Mets fan. You think your team is the greatest money can buy because of that ONE division title 2 years ago. Congrats on that.
By Renegator
March 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
Kevin
I don’t know if they are allowed back in the gym yet but I know they enjoyed watching your boys choke an 11 point lead with 15 minutes to go.
By flange1
March 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
Scoots,
You are correct the Tigers have said they are looking for RH relief.
By FJR
March 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Prado has speed, but nothing like Anderson’s. However, Anderson has NO power whatsoever, he’s a slap hitter, and could end up as about a Willie Harris type player who can’t get on base once defenses catch on and start playing him up. Anderson also doesn’t walk, which REALLY hurts him.
By DonCoburleone
March 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
I still think of the relievers mentioned, they are going to want either Yates or Boyer… Boyer (in my opinion) has the potential to be much better than Yates this year and in the future, but Yates is the one with the experience. My guess is that the Tigers, with a team ready to win now, would rather have the experienced Yates over Blaine Boyer… I would trade Yates in a heartbeat if we could get back something decent. I’d guess something along the lines of an A ball minor leaguer with decent upside (preferrably a pitcher)…
By TK
March 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Billy D got hosed by the SEC on coach of the last few years. Just like Bruce Pearl got hosed this year by being co-coach of the year. Both of those guys have to be saying to themselves “What do I have to do?”
By ncscoots
March 20, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Epinephrine, I guess ONE of us will be wrong this year :-), since I don’t share the man-love for Diaz everyday. He’ll either pan out (and I’ll be wrong) or Jones goes to LF at the All-Star break (and YOU’LL be wrong, LOL). We’ll see, I guess.
By Kevin
March 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
And thats all they could do Renegator, watch. Because they were not good enough to get in this year. No one was even bragging or talking about UGA until you started spouting off bullsh*t about a 14 seed somehow choking against a 3 seed. We weren’t supposed to win. It is much more embarrassing for Florida, who did just win back to back titles, to not even be in the field. Pathetic.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
For those wondering why the Braves might consider Marcus Thames , this is why.
The right handed slugging 31 year old is primarily an outfielder , the Tigers broke him at 1B last year and he saw 33 games of action with 180 putouts and 2 errors.
Thames hit 18 Dingers with 54 RBI and batted .242 in 2007. I checked his splits and he did well facing southpaws hitting a healthy .310 against them.
He is a slight upgrade over Scott Thorman because of his ability to play LF , RF and 1B.
By Tomahawkin
March 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this
Flange1, Know it all, I’m also In agreement to Nate’s statement about Soriano and the bullpen
I have a feeling that the blow-pen will again be my biggest p** off factor during the season, especially if those 1-run games turn out like they did last year
By Renegator
March 20, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
TK
Agreed
By FJR
March 20, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
TJ,
The twins are walking a fine line. They simply couldn’t afford Santana, but they’re not rebuilding either. You CAN’T be rebuilding first year of a new stadium. Sure, they have no real shot at the playoffs, but the fans want to go to the ballpark and see a team that has a chance to win when they are there.
And hopefully this ends all the ridiculous speculation of trading for Joe Nathan. We wouldn’t be able to get him for Jo-Jo Reyes and Brandon Jones. We could possibly get him for Shaffer and 2 out of Lil’bridge, Reyes and B. Jones. but that would be stupid.
and yes, I am raising my hand that I think that minus maybe a minor injury here and there, Soriano effectively closes all year, or at least unitl Gonzalez is healthy enough to close himself.
By Epinephrine
March 20, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
I have no idea why people don’t have more faith in the eventual trio of Soriano, Moylan, and Gonzo to put away games.
Soriano has two rough outings in his first two spring outings and people are freaking out? Who cares? Guy thrives in high pressure situations, and my hand is firmly raised in the pro-Soriano camp.
By Renegator
March 20, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
Kevin
Don’t be bitter. One of these years UGA will win something. Don’t worry - it’ll happen.
By FJR
March 20, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
To those who are acting like Blanco and Anderson are the same player. That’s rpetty far from the truth. Anderson has NO power. Blanco has about average. Anderson is Blazing fast, Blanco is just kind of fast.
Blanco’s power is less than K-Jo’s but substantially more than Anderson’s.
By McFann
March 20, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Go, BB Fan! Tell off Sniper.
Anyway, talk to y’all Saturday! TTFN (Ta-Ta For Now!)
By Tomahawkin
March 20, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this
MidtownBrave I’d take both the phillies and mets offenses over us. Not to sound pessimistic but because they both have great team speed…A small factor like good team speed is usually a big factor in 1-run games, where playing longball won’t get it done
By Revbuddygreene
March 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
I think Anderson would be a perfect 4th outfielder. He reminds me of Bob Dernier (sp) . Back in the 80s he would pretty much ONLY come in as a pinch runner and manufacture a run. Thats one aspect of our game that has been lacking since Otis left.
TJ-I dont understand why the Twins would be willing to give Nathan $15 mil a season and not offer the same to Johan or Torre….kinda hard to close games when you are losing…..
By Tomahawkin
March 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
Coach This is one of the rare timesI will disagree with you, Thames has always had the potential when he was a Yankee prospect. But man he is way too streaky, plus he has never hit higher than .256 in a season. It would be like Bringing A. Jones back, minus the added power, and defense…
But at the same time he is more versitle, I’d rather bring someone in to the bench who has some speed since we are lacking in that area as compared to philly and New York…
By Kevin
March 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
Renegator as I said before, you are obviously the one that is bitter and jealous. We overachieved for the year and you guys underachieved. It happens. Maybe next year your prima-donas will put those championships in the back of their minds and play like they care about winning instead of living off the legacy that came before them.
By TJ
March 20, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
FJR, just seems to me the Twins could hold Nathan to the trade deadline and get something really good for him, save the $15 mil, and still have time to put an exciting product on the field in ‘10 when the new stadium opens.
Anyway, I’m not that concerned about what the Twins do. My point really was just that teams like the Braves can’t afford a $15 mil closer.
Agree with you that there’s no point in talking about the Braves pursuing a guy like Nathan.
By flange1
March 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
Interesting post to a Rob Neyer blog on John Smoltz. Neyer is wondering if Smoltz is working on his knuckler:
“Being a Braves fan, our beat reporter (David O’Brien) has reported on the additional pitches that Smoltz is working on. He is trying to add a curve ball, change up and a 2 seamer to his 4 seamer, split and slider. This was the main reason that he has been pitching in simulated games so that he could work on those pitches in clutch situations and not allow his competitive nature to take over and revert back to his normal pitching style. If you want to know more, I would suggest that you follow the Atlanta Journal Constitution’s Braves Beat Blog. Lost of great Braves news from the best beat reporter in MLB.”
By Nate
March 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
At exactly what point did Soriano prove to you guys that he can be an effective closer in a pennant race. Whatever you guys are seeing, I missed it. He had a grand total of 9 saves last year. Nine. And lets not forget extended periods horrible pitching. He had three blown saves in July. He sure hasn’t shown anything to improve my opinion this spring. And just how are you Soriano guys just ignoring the elbow issues.
I know trading for someone like Joe Nathan is no guarantee of post-season success, and anyone can get hurt, but this guy could implode at any time. The Braves can’t count on Gonzo this year. Next year, maybe.
By Lew
March 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
All artists will tell you that they have artwork laying around all over the place-usually stacks and stacks of it. I’m certainly no different in that regard.
Now, I was just doing some cleaning so I could make room for what I brought back from Spring Training and came across some drawings of Ex Braves. Let’s have a quick Wurlitzer blitz. No questions or answers necessary.
The first to email me at lewhartman@comcast.net will win one of the following (in this order) 1.A Greg Maddox painting (this one is a really good painting-you can tell he’s throwing a circle change) 2. A Gary Sheffield drawing 3. Ryan Klesko drawing (this one is ten year’s old) 4. Marcus Giles (this is a really good drawing) 5. Johnny Estrada and 6. Chucky T. If more than six respond, I’m sure I’ll find some prints y’all might be interested in. NONE of these is autographed.
Have at it and include your Real Name, Blog name and real snail mail address (I don’t mind paying the postage but I need to know where to send the art. Winners will be announced later. No one can possibly lose on this one. Everyone will receive something.
By bravesare#1
March 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this
DOB does it look like Francoeur is going to play tonight?
By Lew
March 20, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
One last thing-Just in case you’re not a winner of the originals, include the name of the player whose print you’d like. Choices include Chipper, Glavine, McCann, Francoeur, Bobby Cox, Smoltz, or the Sid Slid play.
By doug
March 20, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Anderson or Blanco, only until Infante comes back. Then they send down the back up centerfielder and bring up Brandon Jones.
With that move our bench gets the vereran(Infante) and some more power (B Jones). And Infante backs up centerfield.
Oh crud, they would still have to send someone else down if that senario was to work. If they break camp with two back up infielders, then I guess the one not named Prado would go back. Oh well, I think I’m on to something here, but my head hurts and it’s time to go home.
Question for DOB. Is Diory Hernandez getting any consideration for back up utility role? He’s a good size dude that plays all the infield positions, correct? Just don’t here his name mentioned much, but he is getting a bunch of playing time.
By Tomahawkin
March 20, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
Just got done talking to some of the cats on the philly.com/phillies forum…
I may be looking into the Future a lil bit, but most would agree that the first ten days are crucial for all 3 rival teams, and the one team that doesn’t beat the *jubroni teams (Phils play *Cincy and *Washington, before playing the mets, We have 1 against the *Nats, home against *Pittsburgh before playing the mets, The Mets start in *Florida before rolling through the “A”) will fall behind and will have to crawl up, and that could be a daunting task in this division
*that masterisk denoutes that I consider those teams jubroni teams, even though Cincy will be a force in the central, because their division is weak compared to ours…
By doug
March 20, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
This is going to be confusing, but here I go.
Nate (not N8): your and idiot.
There, I hope I didn’t offend our heavy metal friend out there, but I had to say that.
Soriano Rules
By Tomahawkin
March 20, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this
Nate I knew that after watch the bombs Soriano gave up last year, I’m not hating on the dude, but I think this closer issue is gonna blow up in our face again…
M. Gonzalez, everyone expects him back by may, but I’m not counting on him to be back til after the trade deadline (T.J. Surgery takes a lot longer that 1 year to fully recover 100% without any flare-ups) So Our Blow-pen will I think still be suspect til at least May…
By N8
March 20, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Lew
I just responded to you email. Does that count for one of the pieces? LOL!
I’ll take the Sheffield one, but only if Scott Boras is “added” on there as well.
Better yet. Add Boras to it, and send it Shef.
THAT would be funny.
By T-Bone
March 20, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
T-Bone (not Koko) here:
And, yes, I’m a huge Seinfeld fan. Everything in life connects back to a Seinfeld episode.
It seems to me that we have enough depth to make some needed trades either now or as the season wears on. All hail Frank Wren!
By brian
March 20, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this
How has Borchard done as a pinch hitter? Agree with above posts about need for a pinch hitter with power - probably via trade or Borchard versus Jones/Diaz platoon (if that eventually occurs)
By N8
March 20, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this
T-Bone
Glad to see you have a sense of humor about it. I didn’t mean any harm by it.
Just laugh when I hear, or read the word T-Bone. Even in the grocery market.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN: Buddy Carlyle is not out of options. Not a big deal, but we’ve had misinformation here before on him. I assumed he was out of options because he’s been around so long and debuted in majors with San Diego years ago.
Anyway, Frank Wren told me tonight, he’s not out of options….
I asked Bobby about some of the relievers, specifically Yates. Cox on evaluating guys in spring: “You don’t put all your stock in spring training.”
So does that apply to the case of Tyler Yates? Yes, Cox said.
“He’s had some good innings,” he said. “We know what he can do. It’s about trying to find out what other guys you don’t know can do.”
By Chattanooga Sonny
March 20, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
I love this blog and I love this part of ST, it reads like everyone is writng a script for a Bud Abbott and Lew Costello skit, but we do know who’s on first and whats on third, don’t we???
By Nate
March 20, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this
I’m not trying to hate on Soriano. I’m just not convinced he can be an effective full time closer, and no one here has been able to say anything that would refute that assertion.
No one has presented an argument as to why he’s such a great closer, or why the Braves should ignore his elbow issues or past pitching issues (July 2007).
His track record just isn’t strong enough to justify the confidence some of you seem to have in him. And bad mouthing talks of trading for Joe Nathan doesn’t really resolve the questions surrounding Soriano.
By Lew
March 20, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this
Sonny-You Kno Who is on third.
By Lew
March 20, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this
Nate-Dude, do you actually see us trading for a guy that someone just said was about to sign a three year contract for $15 mil per? Time to get real.
No we don’t definitively know if Soriano is going to be the second coming of Smoltz at closer, but this we do know-1. He has a fastball every bit as good as Smoltzie, 2. He has a nasty slider, just like Smoltzie and 3. He is not intimidated by anyopne and is quite likely to put the ball in someone’s ear if they dig in too much. THAST is what you look for in a closer.
As for his elbow issues-not every ache and pain in a pitcher’s arm indicates a Tommy John situation or a blown rotator cuff. Apparently the Braves are not concerned enough to keep him shut down. Either they know more than you do or are And Idiots. Does that work for you?
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this
Chattanooga Larry: I don’t know is on third, not what.
By Capt. Caveman (the original dawg)
March 20, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Braveheart
This story happens sometime in the future —
Bobby Cox, Tony Larussa, and Joe Torre are flying on the same plane the crashes with no survivors. As they walked towards Heaven’s gate they are met by the Angel Gabriel. He says that he is there to show them to their new place’s.
They enter Heaven and as they walk down the first street and come to a golden villa with a Cardinal’s banner out front Gabriel says “Tony - this one is for you”. Larussa smiles and says thanks. They all continue walking up a small hill and as they reach the top they see a large golden mansion with Yankee’s banners and sprawling grounds with a pool and fountain. “Joe - this is your new place”. Torre smiles and nods and say thanks.
They continue up a larger hill which winds into the clouds. As they reach the summit they see a sprawling mansion with Braves banners and unbelievable features which overlooks all of Heaven. Torre and Larussa are stunned. They turned to Gabriel and ask why does Bobby get such a place of Honor in Heaven.
Gabriel turns and smiles and says ” Well first of all your both wrong. That’s were GOD lives. Bobby you can go on in.”
By SNIPER-69
March 20, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
BB Fan doesn’t know anything about baseball prior to 1990. From 1976 thru 1989 the braves finished last EIGHT times. Next to last 2 times. It’s very amusing to hear brave fans talk about baseball as if it didn’t exist before 1990….very funny.
By woogidy
March 20, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
Nate, with you, but gotta give him a shot until June. Mike Gonzalez does have a proven track record as a closer, albeit 1 season. He’s the “in house” backup plan.
By Google
March 20, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this
Glad to see you can use me for baseball history SNIPER-69, not just finding cliff notes for your 10th grade reading assignments.
By David-ATL14
March 20, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this
Well Nate it’s like this, no offense intended.
It doesn’t matter one iota whether Soriano measures up in your eyes.Nor does it matter whether any person on the blog can offer up an argument that convinces you otherwise.
Really not important at all.
Because Wren and BC have decided Soriano is the closer. That move was signified with the awarding of a 2 year contract to Soriano.
Soriano is the closer end of story.
Nathan is staying with the Twins and is about to sign a new contract per MLB.com.
Even if Nathan didn’t sign a new deal, Braves would not be after Nathan anyway.
Braves have never in the past nor will in the future be put in a position to pay a closer 13-15M a year. Just not happening.
Nathan is signed through 08 at 6M+ then he can walk thus guaranteeing the 13-15M salary and a 3 year deal.
Not really hard to understand.
If Soriano were to have arm problems my guess would be that the Braves look internally first. Several worthy options in house.
Also even if the Braves looked outward. No team trades their closer in April,May or June.
Just doesn’t happen. Any team that trades their closer has to fall out of the race first.
Just harken down memory lane to 2006, Indians were dreadful, out of the AL Central race after April for all intents and purposes.
Braves started inquiring about Wickman in May by JS’s own account.
Took to July for the trade to be completed.
In closing and sorry for the lengthy post.
Soriano-Closer
Nathan-Not on the Braves radar
Really simple stuff.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this
Anderson or Blanco ? the choice is very tough.
Josh Anderson is blazing fast , his 80 percent success rate at stealing bases (237 SB) is once again , more proof that speed kills. His range in the outfield is outstanding.
Gregor Blanco has paid his dues with six minor league seasons , he is ready for the big leagues. Blanco has a great arm and is a natural center fielder. He is the more disciplined of the two in the batters box.
Bobby Cox will have to send one of them packing and they both deserve to make the team out of spring training.
By Revbuddygreene
March 20, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this
speaking of great springs 2 years ago James Jurries hit like .460 and was considered almost ready and then he dissapeared. what happened?
By Steve McP
March 20, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this
If it comes down to straight choice between Blanco and Anderson I wonder if the American American issue raised by Terence Moore and Jesse Jackson last year could play into Blanco’s favour?
No way it should, but if two were equal and a decision had to be made, having ousted Willie Harris, the Braves once again do not have an African American on the team and putting in Blanco might same them from some heat from that lobby during the season.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this
Denizens of the Braves/MIB blog, a cohort has turned to our corner of the world for assistance, again showing the value placed on your views of the Braves (not the mention the great response rate we get for these things).
So anyway, here’s the request from Steve Hummer for a story he’s done. If you want to be quoted in his story, give him a solid quote and there’s a good chance it’ll happen.
Here’s the request:
Hummer is working on a story for the start of the Braves season on the team’s place in the Atlanta professional sports scene. For the better part of two decades, the Braves have been a lone bright spot in a dreary pro landscape. This season is certainly no exception. He wants to hear from some long-time fans who have suffered through the Falcons/Vick mess and the struggles of the Atlanta Spirit-owned teams; and what the start of a promising Braves season means in light of all that.
Please respond with your thoughts, along with a name and telephone number, to Steve@ajc.com.
NOT TO ME, DAVID O’BRIEN, but to STEVE. I ain’t forwarding them (OK, I probably will, but rest assured I’ll grumble while doing it.)
Thanks, much.
By bill
March 20, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this
DOB, please apologize immediately to all of us (doesn’t matter if we work in a cubicle) for your moaning…give us a break! You are in Florida, covering baseball, and you have the nerve to complain about being ready to get on the plane and come home. Wake up…you could have a real job!
By Robert
March 20, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this
Blanco is not African-American
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this
Are you ready for some baseball ? Tim Hudson on the mound right now.
By Robert
March 20, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this
Blanco is not African-American
By David-ATL14
March 20, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this
Blanco’s not African American even though his race is a non entity in the matter of the 4th OF.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this
Braves have most of their big dogs in there: 1. KJ, 2. Escobar, 3. Chipper, 4. Tex, 5. McCann, 6. Francoeur, 7. Kotsay, 8. Josh Anderson (LF), 9. Huddy.
By Big T
March 20, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this
You did not mention Jeff Ridgway in the bullpen mix. Does he have options since he changed organizations? He looked good in his first four outings and was wild in the last two. Does that take him out of the mix for now?
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this
Blanco = White
And it was my impression he’s Latino, not Black.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this
If it comes down to straight choice between Blanco and Anderson I wonder if the American American issue raised by Terence Moore and Jesse Jackson last year could play into Blanco’s favour?McP
Yes, you need an American American on the team.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this
Bill, yeah, I’ve got an apology for you. Right. I’ll get right on that.
Let me know next time you work 80-90 hrs a week for six weeks with three days off in that span. Then you can comment on it.
I ain’t asking for your sympathy, not one bit (which is why I made the comment about being stuck in cubicles; I’ve been there, I know that can stink). But enough with the silly comments about having a real job. I’m just blogging about my experiences, because that’s what a blog is.
Being away from home and working night and day isn’t exactly good for the personal life, my friend. And catching 6 a.m. flights 50 times a year and writing stories on deadline 130 nights a year doesn’t do much for one’s health.
What do you think we do, get here an hour before the game, sit here and eat hot dogs and go home after the last pitch? Gimme a break.
What job do you have that’s so much more taxing? I wouldn’t trade mine for many jobs, and I fully appreciate doing something I love for a living. But it’s not what it used to be in the internet era, with the added workload from writing stuff basically on a 24-7 news cycle.
I don’t expect you to understand that. But just don’t comment as if you do.
By SNIPER-69
March 20, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this
There are latino’s that are black. Sammy Sosa, Pedro Martinez, Roberto Clemente, Big Papi, ect ect. Hispanic is a culture not a race……class dismissed.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this
DOUG: No, Diory Hernandez isn’t being considered. He’s already been sent out in the first wave of cuts. Good prospect, but not ready yet. And he hasn’t played anything but shortstop, far as I know.
By Bravosneedtex
March 20, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
First off, the Braves have just as good of a shot at winning the division this year as either the Phils or the Mets. The Phils have a great young offensive infield and have even closed up that huge whole at 3rd that they had last year with Helms manning the hot corner. Their weakness or potential weakness is their bullpen; as Braves fans we know all to well how that can hurt you. I think their rotation will be strong as long as they can keep from pulling Myers back to the bullpen to cover the closer role because Lidge just doesn’t have it any more. The Mets… man how fun is it to hate the Mets? Hate them or not you have to respect Omar for getting the Santana deal done. They have one of the best Starting pitchers in all MLB, the best LHP at least. The potential one two punch of Santana and Pedro could be one of the strongest in the NL. The problem is will they have Pedro? Can he stay healthy and if he is healthy what does he have left? The rest of the rotation is a big question mark Perez and Maine are good 3 and 4 guys but they don’t match up well against the Braves 3 and 4 (Glavine and Hampton). With the exception of Wright, Reyes and Beltran their offensive players are old and have proven to be injury prone over the last few years. The bullpen is strong if Wagner is healthy for the whole season. Time will tell. As far as the Braves go, I’ll still take our rotation over any other in the NL east. Call me a Homer if you want but a Smoltz/Hudson/Glavine/Hampton/Jurrjens rotation is stronger 1-5 than a Santana/Pedro/Perez/Maine/Hernandez or a Myers/Hammels/Eaton/Kendrik/Moyer rotation. Even with the question mark that Hampton’s past injury record brings to the discussion. I’m not sold on our bullpen either, but are we ever satisfied with our bullpen? Soriano has the stuff to close games out but can he do it effectively all year. I’ll feel better about it after the all star break when Gonzo is back and healthy (cross your fingers). I do think we have enough depth in camp right now to fill out the bullpen I’m just not sold on the 9th inning guy yet. The offense is going to be good, no question about it. Mac and Francour will continue to develop into all star caliber players. Escobar has big shoes to fill with Renteria gone but I think he is the real deal. He will develop into a good lead off hitter for us which is something Renteria wasn’t. KJ will surprise allot of people this year I’m thinking. He has a good eye when it comes to the strike zone and when batting in the #2 whole I think he won’t press so hard and we should see a good year from him. If Chipper can stay healthy he will put up his usual numbers (.300, 30HR, 100RBI) and Tex is going to swing some big lumber for us for at least this year. My prediction for what it’s worth is that he will win the NL MVP. I just hope he’s still in a Braves uniform when it’s all said and done. The rest of the outfield (LF CF) will be interesting to watch. Diaz has proven that he can now hit both LH and RH pitching so I don’t have a problem with them giving a shot at an everyday job in LF. If he struggles then they will need to bring Jones up from AAA to platoon. All the indications are that Kotsay’s back is healthy and all be it he is not Andruw his defense is pretty good. Think back to when he was health and with the Padres. He won’t have the power numbers that Andruw had but he won’t have the strike outs either. With the power that we have at the corners in the infield, behind the plate and in RF what we need is a contact guy batting 7th and that is what Kotsay gives us.
By Sean Hannity
March 20, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this
Thanks Steve McP. I’ve got a new phrase now.
You’re an American American, my friend.
No one is more patriotic than an American American.
By keylargo
March 20, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this
Braves and Tigers on Directv channel 631 - Sports South - in the S Fl area.
By Steve McP
March 20, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this
Sorry all my mistake, maybe I was thinking of Brandon Jones and DOB I also apologise for not proof reading the post before sending it.
Not had enough games on TV yet to get to know the new players.
I shall now go off to eat some humble pie and watch the Braves tonight and try to learn a few names and faces!
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this
Edgar was scratched tonight for Tigers because of back spasms.
Huddy just struck out his replacement, Ramon Santiago, with a nice heater on the inner edge of the plate.
By Robert
March 20, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this
DOB, Watching today’s game, Kotsay seems to move stiff. Doesn’t look like he moves very fast. How would you classify his speed
By AJ
March 20, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
Bravosneedtex: 15 game winners Maine and Perez, each turning 26 and entering their prime, don’t match up well with old men Glavine and Hampton? You’re nuts. And, in case you haven’t noticed, Maine all Spring and recently Perez are pitching “lights out” in Florida right now (as is Pedro and Santana). The mets have question marks in offense right now, true, but their starting staff is the best in the NL…maybe all MLB. You’ll see.
By SNIPER-69
March 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this
Bravosneedtex, The rest of the rotation is a big question mark Perez and Maine are good 3 and 4 guys but they don’t match up well against the Braves 3 and 4 (Glavine and Hampton).….your kidding, right?? Glavine is not the Glavine of old. He’s not a big game pitcher anymore. Hampton hasn’t pitched in over a year. Maine and Perez are coming off 15 win seasons with ERA’s in the three’s. Many on this blog mistakenly underestimate the 3 and 4 pitchers on the Mets. You’ll soon learn that’s a mistake.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this
No problem, McP. We’re just busting on you. But Blanco is most definitely Venezuelan.
By Epinephrine
March 20, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this
Huddy has made one stupid pitch tonight, but he looks really good. Great barehand.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this
DOB I don’t know if you saw my post the other day, but as a reporter, I know just how productive you are and how much hard work goes into the incredible amount of copy you generate. The educated here appreciate your efforts, believe me.
Bravesneedtex: Paragraph breaks are your friends. Be nice to your friends.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
O boy , Ken Rosenthal is in the booth and he just picked the Braves to win the World Series.
I’m very superstitious and appreciate the opinion , but still , lets play the season first and then worry about the post season when it becomes relevant.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Big T, Ridgway has options. Braves didn’t expect him to compete for a job this spring when they got him in the Aybar trade, still thought he’d need more experience in the minors and better command.
He was a pleasant surprise early, but has struggled in a couple of outings to remind all why there was the aforementioned opinion of him.
OK, now to get back to eating this hot dog. Quit interrupting me while I’m kicking back. We’re having a party here, watching some ‘ball.
By Vader
March 20, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this
Maine and Perez.
Maine and Perez.
Blah. Blah. Blah.
I haven’t sensed this presence since
……
Dave Mlicki
&
Pete Schourek
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this
Bill , put a sock in it. You have no idea how hard O’Brien works. The man obviously loves his job and few of us understand the motivation he has.
I tried blogging inning by inning during the game the other day while watching and it is hard as hell.
Cut the man some slack , he works his butt off.
By DonCoburleone
March 20, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this
Good news on the Buddy Carlyle options front. He is the perfect kind of pitcher to have stashed away in AAA in case of a catastrophe…
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
Chipper just CRUSHED that first pitch. Tape-measure job to right-center. Tied 1-1.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
Chopper goes deep to tie the game at 1.
By Randy S
March 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
Ooooh, get Mac to bring that Edgar Winter intro music north with him. Frankenstein is nasty. Or maybe play it when the opposing pitching coach goes to the mound so we can get a lil deeper into the song. Doubt we’ll ever get to the drum solo though….
By woogidy
March 20, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this
two things, Joe Sipmson, Hello, thanks for joining us, What is your screen name?
Bill, Wipe yourself off. You’re bleeding.
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this
Spending your entire day trying to decrypt the rays of sunshine double speak of Bobby Cox is a job in of itself.
By LuisGuillermo
March 20, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
Chipper Jones has just homered against Verlander!
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
Well , Francoeur has seen four pitches and swung at all of them.
Chipper hammered that homerun , got it right on the sweet spot.it’s all tied up 1-1.
By bruce
March 20, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
Dave, buzzing in for first time this spring… enjoyed reading, sometimes a day or two late, but the drama of the decisions in the coming days is very well portrayed in this blog, really exciting to have these tough decisions. Gonna check the fridge now to see if I have any Hebrew Nationals to microwave. Thanks for a great spring training. Bruce
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this
Pretty wild play there. I thought at first that it was an E6, but ump called it infield fly, said Escobar intentionally dropped the soft liner to start a double play. After seeing replay, and seeing Escobar smiling, it appears ump was right.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this
Ducks on the pond (gotta use cliches while we can, getting our work in) for Yunel after walks by Josh A and KJ….
… And Escobar grounds out. end of inning. still 1-1 after five.
By Reid in EAV
March 20, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
Nice catch by the SportSouth crew to catch an Escobar/Pendleton dugout “education session” right after that busted attempt to bend the infield fly rule.
In Yunel’s defense, it was a pretty low ball when he caught it.
By DCbrave
March 20, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
Bill- I just saw your comment about asking DOB to apologize. I have to tell you something: You are a 100% jerk, and a pure idiot. I have been on the blog not for too long, but If you ever follow the blog for even a week, you would realize DOB is one ofthe hardest workers, if not THE hardest. I once was concerned how he could keep working as he has been. I dare say his job is one of the most taxing jobs there is. I am not sure who you are and who you do, but I cannot help but suspecting your motives of doing that.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
Coach, did Ken really say that about Braves winning World Series? I’m gonna give him some grief right now. He’s in the pressbox. Just gotta finish my fifth dog and third beer….
Pete H., thanks.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this
Chipper is PUNISHING some balls tonight. Just drove another Verlander pitch to right, this one two feet below the top of the wall. Almost had another homer off him….
By DCbrave
March 20, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this
Well , Francoeur has seen four pitches and swung at all of them. Coach
Did he get any contact?
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this
Verlander just struck out Javy looking with two on and none out. Not good.
I’d say Javy needs to turn it up a notch or two in the next five days to have much chance of winning a job.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
After Verlander struck out Javy, reliever Yorman Bazardo came on and got Frenchy to hit into a double-play when he sawed off his bat.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
O’Brien , yes he did. he really said it , no kidding.
By Reid in EAV
March 20, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this
Changes:
Thorman for Texeira Prado for Escobar J. Anderson moving to CF, B. Jones taking over LF
Royce Ring in to pitch
By Kevin
March 20, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this
Heck DOB if all the stuff is free and you’re not doing anything else anyway then go get you one of those spicy chicken sandwiches and some nachos. And only your third beer? You must have hit it hard last night instead of working. As usual. :)
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this
Hudson: 6 inn, 5 hits, 1 run (unearned), no walks, two strikeouts. Threw 45 strikes in 75 pitches. Looks like the unofficial opening-day starter is ready to roll. that’ll be his last real start before he tunes up with a few innings in his final one of the spring.
By Hopper
March 20, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this
Is this game available on a radio stream? For free? Thanks!
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
Belmont has the lead over Duke with 11 minutes left
By Nate
March 20, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
I’m not trying to harp on this Soriano thing, but you guys just aren’t getting what I’m saying.
Nathan would be a great pick up. I’ve read a number of places he’s on the block. He would be a great addition. Is it in the realm of possibility. I don’t really know, and quite frankly you guys don’t either.
The point I’ve been trying to make all day is that the confidence in Soriano may be misplaced. I’ve looked at the numbers over the past few years and nothing there indicates he’s an elite closer. Nine saves last year certainly doesn’t. Three blown saves in July definitely doesn’t. Nothing this spring does. I know we’ve all heard he has “nasty stuff,” but that doesn’t make him a great closer. I would love to be wrong here, but what if I’m not? If he flames out do you use Peter Moylan as your closer? And then you use Yates as your set up guy? Yikes. Gonzo won’t be back until early June and likely won’t be at 100% until August or September. And that’s without any set backs. And since we’ve already stated that no one will trade a closer until the deadline that leaves the Braves with a closer by committee for several months in a tight divisional race. Plus trading at the deadline will be more costly.
The games in April and May are just as important as the games in September. This is the Braves’ year. And in my opinion they shouldn’t go into the year with a huge question mark at closer. Its just too important a position. If Soriano’s elbow explodes or he gets homerun-itis the Braves won’t get a chance to fix the problem until its too late.
By Reid in EAV
March 20, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
Ridgway in to pitch, starts off with a K.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this
Well, apart from a big ? about Soriano and the closing role, it looks like we’re going into the season healthy and deep. This is going to be a great year. It must be depressing to be a Mutts fan; they spend $150 million for one guy, and it ain’t going to help.
By DCbrave
March 20, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this
DOB or anybody:
How’s Frenchy seen the balls tonight? Did he get any hits?
By Patrick
March 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
It’s good to see that we tee’d off on Todd Jones and his 12 ERA…
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this
Here are the avg, obp, slg, ops numbers against Soriano and other top closers in late and close:
papelbon 0.142 0.201 0.243 0.445
soriano 0.163 0.207 0.294 0.501
wagner 0.183 0.251 0.299 0.550
isringhausen 0.186 0.298 0.283 0.581
krod 0.193 0.296 0.293 0.589
nathan 0.219 0.281 0.331 0.613
street 0.214 0.264 0.376 0.640
hoffman 0.233 0.279 0.370 0.649
moylan 0.213 0.311 0.361 0.671
lidge 0.214 0.296 0.434 0.730
rivera 0.267 0.330 0.416 0.746
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
As for these frantic concerns about Soriano’s bad stretch last season, closers sometimes just go through those kinds of stretches during the season:
Mariano Rivera, April 15 to May 20, 2007: 12 appearances, 10.7 innings, 11 earned runs, 16 hits, 3 walks, 10 Ks
Rafael Soriano, July 14 to Agusut 11, 2007: 14 appearances, 14 innings, 11 earned runs, 15 hits, 4 walks, 14 Ks
Billy Wagner, August 10 to September, 26, 2007: 18 appearances, 18 innings, 13 earned runs, 22 hits, 9 walks, 22 Ks
Brad Lidge, July 29 to September 27, 2007: 23.3 innings, 16 earned runs, 22 hits, 11 walks, 30 Ks
Trevor Hoffman, August 5 to October 1, 2007: 20 appearances, 18.3 innings, 12 earned runs, 28 hits, 7 walks, 19 Ks
Trevor Hoffman, rest of season: 39 innings, 7 earned runs, 21 hits, 8 walks, 25 Ks,
Mariano Rivera, rest of season: 59.7 innings, 14 earned runs, 52 hits, 9 walks, 64 Ks
Rafael Soriano, rest of season: 58 innings, 13 earned runs, 32 hits, 11 walks, 56 Ks
Billy Wagner, rest of season: 50.3 innings, 7 earned runs, 33 hits, 9 walks, 4 home runs, 58 Ks
Brad Lidge, rest of season: 43.7 innings, 9 earned runs, 32 hits, 19 walks, 58 Ks
By northBeach Scott
March 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
Appears that Nate is suffering from Jared the silly imbecile syndrome. Give it up Nate, no one is buying what you are selling.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
Chipper was changing clothes and getting ready to leave when went down to talk to Hudson in eighth inning. Chipper smiled about those two Verlander pitches he crushed, a first-pitch changeup for the homer and a double off the wall on a fastball.
“I’ll be able to sleep good tonight,” he said. “If you can center a couple of balls off that guy, you’ve got to feel pretty good about it.”
Said he’s feeling good, healthy, and ready to go.
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
BELMONT UP BY 1 WITH 1:40 TO GO!!!!
By Oh no, not him
March 20, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
Tyler Yates!
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
Belmont up by 1 with 1:03 to go!
By DCbrave
March 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this
I just got MLB audio, and it sounds great! But I just heard Tyler Yikes!
By Hates Yates
March 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this
Why. Why. Why.
By northBeach Scott
March 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this
Let’s hope the Braves are show casing Tyler for the Tigers for some prospect. Tyler “Tapemeasure HR” Yates.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this
Yates looks awful, three walks in the ninth. Confidence is shot (as evident from his comments recently to us) and so is his command.
By Don
March 20, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this
Dave, per above, you quoted Bobby as saying something to the effect of “we know what Yates can do.” Dave, I gotta say, what I see that he does is give up runs most of the time he makes appearances. Can we not do better than this guy?
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this
Damn! Duke wins.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
Yates giving the game away again. How can a guy with an arm like his be so hittable?
And Nate, trading half our farm system to rent a 34 year old closer for a year makes no sense at all. You can’t have everything, and we have Soriano and Moylan for now, and Gonzo from July on, plus some hard-throwing guys like Boyer and Resop who may grow into the role.
Nathan is a great talent, but the Twins will get paid now or later, and bigtime, and it just ain’t worth stripping out top prospects.
Closers are overrated anyway. It’s nice to have a Nathan or Papelbon, but nicer to have a strong system, a good lineup, and a strong rotation.
By Lew
March 20, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
Venezuelan-South American American-as opposed to a Southern American. American American is a great term, actually.
Winners so far are Jersey Gil, Steve McP, Colorado Braves Fan, NCGary and Josh C. Still have artwork left. E mails, anyone?
By Saltywoody
March 20, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
OK, now to get back to eating this hot dog. Quit interrupting me while I’m kicking back. We’re having a party here, watching some ‘ball.
It’s rough when baseball gets in the way of a hot dog and the NCAA tourney. I’m surprised they even played the spring training game today…you should have just asked them to call it when the KU game started. I’m sure they would have obliged…you know, because it’s not like they have “real” jobs either.
You know, I wish there was some way we could get readily accessible, firsthand, interactive information more or less 24 hours a day about our favorite sports team, all couched in witty banter and with a little knowledgeable music info thrown in now and then. I wish someone would be lazy enough to sit around and run a site like that.
Ehhh, too bad those guys at the AJC and in the pressbox are sluggin ‘em back and playing graba$$ the whole time, while we toil away hitting refresh on our browsers. MAN, my index finger is tired. But, I guess that’s what real jobs are all about…writing fifteen word nonsensical barbs that are in no sort of keeping with what everyone else is writing about.
Someone give bill a raise, STAT.
By northBeach Dick
March 20, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this
Me no like you’re opinion. Me think Rafael Soriano is superior to Joe Nathan and Mike Gonzalez. He will pitch all year this year, no DL and be outstanding all year. I know this because I do. Disagree with me and I call you funny haha names.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
Game-winning two-run double for Anderson with one out in ninth, and E9 on play. Anderson gets one RBI, not two.
Braves win, Braves win, Braves win. No exclamation marks (it’s spring training). 3-2 final.
By BossLady
March 20, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
Thank You, DOB I wouldn’t want to leave my home all the time either.
Part of what we all work so hard for is the comfort of a nice home and all the luxury of having it. We pay all this money out for the maintenance and upkeep of a comfortable home and to always be walking out the door must be taxing.
As a fan and an avid baseball person we appreciate the information and the highlights.
Major league players on the road all the time are (in my opinion) paid to go through all this upheaval. But, I know their homes are not that settled either.
Hang in there, my man.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this
Josh “Muscles” Anderson sends us all home happy, doubling in two in the 9th.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this
What a comedy of errors in the ninth by the Tigers. They just booted a great pitching performance and gave the Braves a win 3-2.
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
Postal Bill, The Mailman is writing a note right now before he engages in a homicidal/suicidal spree:
All work and no play makes Billy boy a dull boy, All work and no play makes Billy boy a dull boy, All work and no play makes Billy boy a dull boy
Neither rain, nor sleet, nor freaking snow, Neither rain, nor sleet, nor freaking snow, Neither rain, nor sleet, nor freaking snow
If that friggin’ O’Brian sitting down there playing graba@@ in that sweet Florida sunshine had to wear these nasty polyester shorts for just one day, just one day, just one god damn freaking day, he’d know what a real job is all about
Neither rain, nor sleet, nor freaking snow, Neither rain, nor sleet, nor freaking snow, Neither rain, nor sleet, nor freaking snow
All work and no play makes Billy boy a dull boy, All work and no play makes Billy boy a dull boy, All work and no play makes Billy boy a dull boy
DAMN YOU O’BRIAN!!!!!
By JC FROM UT
March 20, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this
It’s amazing what some speed on the bases will do for a team (along with some bad defense). I think Yates was given the best oppertunity to make this club, especially with BC already liking him, but IMO he has pitched his way off the team. The real bad thing is that he has also pitched his way from another team wanting to trade for him.
Joe and Boog made some reference to bothe Prado and LIlibridge making the team. DOB: In a pinch could LIlibridge play some 1st base. He seems to be very versitle and a good enough athlete to handle it. What do you think? This way they could keep a fifth outfielder or carry 3 catchers.
By Robert
March 20, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this
DOB——
Have you seen or heard any of Kotsay’s hard hit balls. He can’t even hit the ball out of the infield. Schafer better be waiting by the phone.
And Tyler Yates sucks! Plain and Simple
By Saltywoody
March 20, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this
Looks like Santa came early this year.
Unfortunately, I have no idea what in the name of Moses he’s talking about.
By Greg in TN
March 20, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this
Evening gang…
Oxygen intake has returned in both Durham and at Dark Star with rallies in the last few minutes in both situations for victories.
Great job of hitting by Brandon Jones, Mark Kotsay and Josh Anderson in the last of the ninth. Kotsay’s roller handcuffed really handcuffed Mike Hesseman and Matthew Joyce misplayed Anderson’s game winner.
Hudson is set for the season after a one-run performance tonight. Tyler Yates is really struggling. It seems to me all it takes is one poor outing and it seems to snowball on him. Had a five game swing last September where he gave up six ERs in 3 2/3 innings and I really don’t know that he’s really recovered from that. He had a similar bad swing in early July also.
I am hopeful that we see much of the same from Chipper through the rest of the season that we saw tonight.
Have to tip your cap to the Bruins of Belmont tonight. Oh so close to what would have been a monumental stunner.
By alex
March 20, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this
Dave,
I just wanted to thank you for all that you do. This is my first post here but I read it daily, have for years. As far as I am concerned this is the BEST baseball blog in all of the ‘intertubes’. Thanks again.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this
That Santa is one HUGE Braves fan, I guess. Hey, buddy, tell it to Rev. Moon, OK?
By AdirondackDave
March 20, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this
Tigers may be scouting the Braves for relief help but it sure as he!! won’t be Yates (unfortunately).
By TJ
March 20, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this
Braveheart, you’re sick, dude!
DOB, according to the box score on mlb.com, for tonight’s game:
Weather: 707 degrees, partly cloudy.
Geez, I guess you are ready to head north.
By AdirondackDave
March 20, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
By the way, tonights game proved beyond a doubt why the rules for awarding the “pitcher of record” at go-ahead time is so bad. Yates was clearly terrible tonight, far worse than any of the other guys, and he gets the win. This happens often and yet the guys who decide the rules appear to be oblivious to the problem. DOB, who are the rule makers, why do you think this awful rule stands after all these years, and what can be done about it?
By Scott
March 20, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this
Soriano is good. I hope they can trade Yates for a prospect and keep the other out of options relievers—Resop, Ring and Boyer. —and being a reporter can be hard work! (I used to be a sports reporter and later on, a police reporter)
By R-Brave
March 20, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
Love your Blog DOB always thoughtful and unbiased, unlike the Dumb A, T Moore. Like JJ in the as the 4th starter and Hampton 5 to break up the 2 leftys. Really tough deceisions for Bobby and Wren. Looks like Prado has earned a shot as the utility man. Still Like Anderson in the outfield but Blanco made some big strides. Can’t wait for the season . Go Braves !!
By chuckaluck
March 20, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
Can we give the Tig-ers Yates? Just let them have him. I am sure they had a spare seat on the bus back to Lakeland.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this
DOB, according to the box score on mlb.com, for tonight’s game: Weather: 707 degrees, partly cloudy. AdirondackDave
Like I’ve said all along, Dark Star is hell on earth.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
Both teams should feel pretty good about their pitching. Against two of the best lineups in baseball, nothing happened until the 9th. And frankly, Yates did it by walking everyone he saw. They didn’t get a hit off him.
I’m just dying to find out who makes the final cut. I know some of them (Schafer, Lillibridge, Borchard) will probably be back eventually, along with a couple of the pitchers.
Ring has pitched well lately, and he uses his left arm, so it will be very tough to cut him. I hope they arrange a trade, because he’s just not up there with the rest of the bullpen. A nice piece, but one we can’t keep, since we have Ohman.
I need a tums. This stuff actually keeps me up nights. Thank god I don’t have a fantasy team. My nephew has stomach problems over teams he hates, because one player is on his fantasy team and isn’t getting to play. I just can’t imagine that much stress. One team is enough.
By AdirondackDave
March 20, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this
Chuckaluck —- Better yet, give him to the Mets!
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this
Someone asked about Francoeur. Three at-bats, two groundouts and a strikeout. Swinging at first pitches as usual. Showed no ill effects, ran out everything hard, etc. Watched him in BP and he was crushing balls, for what that’s worth.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this
Chuckaluck: In a pinch, Lakeland is walking distance. Maybe a five hour hike.
If Yates means losing Poser or Boyer, I am going to be upset. OTOH, this outing might mean we can get him through waivers and have him pitch regularly in Richmond. The guy has a heck of an arm. Just seems to forget what he’s aiming at.
By David O'Brien
March 20, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
I gotta share a Coxyism (like a Yogi-ism) from tonight after the game, regarding Yates:
“He’s not wild, he’s just missing,” Cox said.
(But to give proper context, I gotta say, Cox was holding out a couple of fingers to illustrate that he was only missing by a little. Thats’ what he meant).
Anyway, folks, he’s just missing quite a bit: Yates has a 12.00 ERA with nine walks and seven hits allowed in six innings.
Tyler Yikes, indeed.
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this
Rotoworld’s take
Tyler Yates walked three and allowed a run in his inning Thursday versus the Tigers. Perhaps the Braves already regret not non-tendering Yates. Because of his $800,000 salary, he entered spring training as a near-lock fo a bullpen job. However, he’s sporting a 12.00 ERA and he’s walked nine in six innings. The Braves could keep Royce Ring, Buddy Carlyle or Chris Resop over him.
By Braveheart
March 20, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this
I smell a fake injury coming for Yates and beginning the season on the DL
By Gamecock Brave
March 20, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this
DOB in regards to a comment you made, personally i find really neat to have someone like you who is so close to come and share your experiences. I’ll envy the cigar smoking and music on the drives, but thats about it. Coming from a college kid who drinks beer a few nights a week while working on an engineering degree, 80-90hrs is rediculous. haha But thanks for all the insight, and ill have a cigar in honor this weekend!
On a braves note, i liked the speed combo we had at the end of the game. I know we wont be able to have both Anderson and Blanco on the big club at the same time, but i think there is something to be said for speed. There may be a shift in the game toward a speed and power combo, with less emphasis on the power than it was before. On a pitching note i just dont see Yates sticking around all that much longer. I also don’t see us having enough to get Joe Nathan. It would be a huge gain for us, but i wouldn’t wanna give up 2 RPs and a good prospect for him. ok back to watchin all 4 games and beer!
By Robert
March 20, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this
DOB.
Your percentage that Boyer is in our pen opening day is
By jb
March 20, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this
I like Blanco and Anderson making the team, but together they would be taking away AB’s from each other. They are too similar. I think both are ready to be in the majors, but one should go to the minors to get regular AB’s. Anderson’s speed makes him more versatile as a PR in a close late inning game. Defensively, I think Blanco has better instincts, but Anderson’s speed helps make up the differnce. If both were kept, I see no problem with their lack of power off the bench. If they get on base and get over pinch hitting for the pitcher, I like their chances of getting batted in by the top of the order. Home runs are nice, but only if the hitter can make consistant contact. Wilson’s power meant nothing last year off the bench, because he couldn’t make reliable contact. For similar reasons, Thorman’s bat off the bench is useless. Keep the two OF’s and lose Thorman. I don’t care about the options, how long did Langerhans hang around last year because he was out of options? If someone picks Thorman off waivers, so be it. As for the back up at 1B, Diaz can be there in a pinch. I don’t really see Tex missing many games anyway.
By Brad
March 20, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this
DOB or anyone that wants to digest this. Alot of talk about the batting order. Pretty much it is set in stone except for escobar and johnson for the 1-2 spot. Let me pitch this out here I have never seen it brought up but seems logical. 1 jonhson - 2 francouer - 3 jones - 4 tex. - 5 escobar - 6 mccann - 7 kotsay - 8 diaz Let me know what yall think, I think ecobar in the 5 spot would be a RBI machine
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this
Here is a clue for Braves Nation. Who did we play tonight that needs bullpen help and what relief pitchers were showcased ?
By will36206
March 20, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this
Mr. O’Brien I am a regular reader of your blog although I have posted only a couple of times previously. I wonder if Tyler Yates will pitch again tomorrow? It might be his last chance to impress scouts. I will not be suprised if he is released and claimed quickly. The kids has a great arm. Another organization in a rebuilding mode might be what he needs to regain his confidence.
By BB FAN
March 20, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this
SNIPER-69
“BB Fan doesn’t know anything about baseball prior to 1990. From 1976 thru 1989 the braves finished last EIGHT times. Next to last 2 times. It’s very amusing to hear brave fans talk about baseball as if it didn’t exist before 1990….very funny.”
That’s good. I was hoping you would bring up the 70’s and 80’s. While we are at it, we’ll add the teams’ complete history. I know all about each teams’ history. A few of my friends are Mets fans so we debate this all of the time.
The Mets finished dead last in about 6 years in the 60’s. In fact, I believe they have the single season record for loses. Their one good year of the decade is considered a “Miracle.” I believe that took place in ‘69.
The 70’s were just as bad…finishing last 3 or 4 times.
The early 80’s were the same again finishing last 3 or 4 times. I will give them credit for the late 80’s as they were a good team for 3 or 4 years, but still only finished 1st twice. Could be because they were a bunch of addicts. They did win it in ‘86 only to lose to the inferior Dodgers in ‘88 NLCS.
Of course who can forget those great teams of the early 90’s with Coleman, Bonilla, Viola and others finishing last so many times even with the highest payroll.
The Braves had some dreadful teams in the 70’s and 80’s. Even the 60’s weren’t the greatest. However they have always had more class than the Mets.
The Braves had a great run in the late 40’s and most of the 50’s. They won it all in ‘57 against a loaded Yankees team and almost won it again in ‘58 against those same Yankees.
Overall, the Braves still have 3 WS titles (1914, 1957, 1995). That’s not including the 8 or 9 championships they won before it was World Series.
By JimD
March 20, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this
IDK, Brad. Your lineup is OK except for Frenchy in the 2 hole.
1 - Usually #2 hitters take a lot of pitches to give the leadoff guy a chance to steal a base.
2 - #2 hitters usually are very good at going to RF trying to advance the leadoff guy 1st to 3rd on a hit or moving the leadoff guy to 3rd if he had doubled
3 - #2 hitters are usually good bunters.
I don’t see Frenchy being proficient at any of those things.
Meanwhile, Yunel is really good at the above mentioned 3 things. You are right Esco could be a big RBI guy. I believe he may lead all #2 hitters in RBIs. Kelly is good at getting on.
By Henry
March 20, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this
I smell a fake injury coming for Yates and beginning the season on the DL Braveheart
Bet you’re right.
DOB, you do an incredible job with this blog. Whatever knucklehead thinks you got it easy, has never traveled for a living. It gets old fast. The service you provide here is way, way above the call of duty.
And you know something? It shows in your clientele. This time last year, as I said, I couldn’t stand to read the relentless nyaa nyaa back-and-forth between your other posters. That stuff’s all but gone now, and I think it’s because of the tone you set. Excellent job, much, much appreciated.
By Steve McP
March 20, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this
If it comes down to straight choice between Blanco and Anderson I wonder if the American American issue raised by Terence Moore and Jesse Jackson last year could play into Blanco’s favour?
No way it should, but if two were equal and a decision had to be made, having ousted Willie Harris, the Braves once again do not have an African American on the team and putting in Blanco might same them from some heat from that lobby during the season.
By ColoradoBravesFan
March 20, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this
Braveheart,
I was thinking the exact same thing about Yates on Wednesday. I was trying to find a way to keep all the good arms, and a “tweaked” hamstring from Yates was the best plan I envision. He gets a few innings At AAA and maybe is ready if a bullpen elbow flares up in the first month of the season.
Keep Resop, Boyer, and Ring on the roster to begin the season, and try to get Buddy C. through waivers(not necessary now).
GO BRAVES…
By Gamecock Brave
March 20, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this
I dont think Frenchy is enough of a pure contact hitter (ie Renteria) to bat in the 2nd spot. I see Escobar as a Renteria type with a little bit more power. He shares the same type of swing and philosophy of gap to gap. I like KJ in the leadoff spot cause he doesn’t strike out a ton and just puts the ball in play and gets on base. Frenchy strikes out too much to bat 2nd. personally
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this
Brad: Frenchy at 2 would be a disaster. He’s around to drive in runs, not set the table. Yunel is perfect at 2. If they pitch to him, he makes them regret it. If they pitch around him, he’ll move the runner up and let Chipper get the ribbie.
If I were to change the projected lineup, I might move Frenchy down to 7 and Diaz up to 5 or 6, with Kotsay hitting 8.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 20, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this
The good news for us: Smoltz , Hudson , Glavine , Hampton and Jurrjens are sporting a collective ERA of 2.73
The bad news for them : the rest of the N.L. and a few A.L. teams have to face these guys all season.
By Gamecock Brave
March 20, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this
Bobby has a hard enough time picking the team with out having to worry about p** off Jesse Jackson. haha
By Pete H.
March 20, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this
I repeat, Blanco, which means WHITE, is not African American. Why are you guys continuing to bring this up? Does it somehow soothe your souls?
By CharlieAlphaBravo
March 20, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this
DOB: Enjoyed the article about tonight’s game, but I’m pretty sure it was Thorman who booted that ball in the ninth, not Tex. Stop the presses!! Oooh… that made me feel all… newsy…
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 21, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this
More bad news for the opposition. El Duque has yet to throw a single inning of work. Pedro has four inning’s and one game of action so far.
By Steve McP
March 21, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this
How did my post get here again at 11,19, I have already apologised for the poor and incorrect information but at least we all accept that an American American should be essential for every team!
By Lew
March 21, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this
Steve-American American should become a blog standard like And Idiot. It’s a good term.
By Capt. Caveman (the original dawg)
March 21, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this
McP
You are an idiot who is obsessed with the race argument. If the Braves have to have an A-A player than every team in the NBA has to have a white player. And not one from Europe or Canada - but grown up in America WHITE !!
Now see how STUPID that sounds. Take your RACE talk to Terence Moore’s blog. He needs the hits on his page.
By uga-brave
March 21, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this
cox loves tyler,
and he should. the guy took the ball every time bobby gave it to him.
the guy came into every game, even if his arm was falling off.
not like boyer, who flat out lied to him two seasons ago.
cox counted on boyer, in the pen in 2006. he told him his arm was sound and he went out to L.A. and he failed. two innings and done.
i think bobby is looking for every raeason not to keep boyer.
either you are a bobby guy or you are not.
ijust think bobby likes tyler more then boyer.
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this
CharlieAlphaBravo, getting it fixed now. Thanks for the catch. You’re a good American-American. (that mistake was in an online-only version of the game account, not for print, thankfully)
By gotigers72
March 21, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this
I know I don’t have a vote, but if I did, I would be for getting rid of Tyler Yates. I know he has good stuff [which is obviously where the blinders are for Bobby], but his command is terrible a lot of the time. Walks too many, gets behind too much, and makes too many fat pitches when he does throw a strike. I haven’t seen Resop or Ring enough to make a judgment, and Boyer should get another shot, but I’ve seen enough of Yates to know that he either isn’t a major league pitcher, or needs a change of scenery to help him mentally.
Sometimes I would love to give Bobby a dose of sodium pentathol to see what he really thinks. Yates’ ERA this spring is TWELVE. What does it take Bobby to just say that somebody is doing a crappy job?
By uga-brave
March 21, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this
lew,
my man, cant tell how much i liked your reports from spring training.
love the fact you get down there before the games and watch the workouts.
tell ORKA not to drown in the snow, my friend.
By Steve McP
March 21, 2008 1:00 AM | Link to this
Hey Caveman, I have already admitted I was wrong, but my comments relate to many discussions last season when the Braves were under fire for not having African Americans on the team.
I have no idea how my post 4 hours earlier suddenly popped up again on the blog.
So get off my back!!
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this
think Blanco has better instincts, but Anderson’s speed helps make up the differnce. If both were kept, I see no problem with their lack of power off the bench. If they get on base and get over pinch hitting for the pitcher, I like their chances of getting batted in by the top of the order. Home runs are nice, but only if the hitter can make consistant contact.jb
jb, I know someone who thinks just like you do about this subject. Frank Wren.
I asked him during batting practice tonight about a couple of the guys competing for roster spots and the power they had or didn’t have:
“Power’s overrated,” Wren said. “I’d rather have good at-bats than a home run now and then. I feel like we’re going to score runs.”
By uga-brave
March 21, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this
DOB,
the 790 the zone guys always put the march madness show on at the CHEETAH.
it is always fun, just keep your disposable income in your pockets.
steak, and chris dimino, who i like a lot always throw a good party.
even better the first round of the ncaa’s fell on good friday. the market is closed, so no work.
the dawgs played hard but were overmatched at the end.
heck i thought we got the softest #3 seed.
louiville, stanford, and wisconsin would of been tougher games.
By uga-brave
March 21, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this
cavey,
the dawgs, in a four week period go to LSU, THEN J’VILEE, THEN AUBURN, THEN KENTUCKY.
any way we walk that gauntlet undefeated?
that’s four weeks in a row before we see the hedges.
cavey, i think we have a national championship team, but a non championship schedule.
oh, by the way for all you haters.
we have to go to south carolina and arizonia state, before coming home to play alabama and tennnesse.
tell me any team that has a tougher schedule.
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 1:21 AM | Link to this
I forgot to include the last part of the quote from Bobby, about Yates’ performance. Here it is:
“He’s not wild, he’s just missing,” Cox said. “I don’t know what the [bleep] is going on there.”
Just goes to show that even Bobby is frustrated by Yates’ performance.
By Moby Grape
March 21, 2008 1:22 AM | Link to this
Not to sound pessimistic but because they both have great team speed…A small factor like good team speed is usually a big factor in 1-run games, where playing longball won’t get it doneTomahawkin
piffle. they had the same speed advantage last year(the Mets stole 3 times as many bases as the Braves) and we still outscored the Mets and weren’t that awful far behind the Phils, and we likely will have a bit more speed this year than last. more will likely depend on injuries than that speed differential in the long run
By Lew
March 21, 2008 1:25 AM | Link to this
UGABrave-Bummer having the Dawgs go down like that today, wasn’t it. Don’t worry too much about Orca. That dog loves snow. He’d probably be miserable down south.
By Capt. Caveman (the original dawg)
March 21, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this
McP
I’ll tell you why your post showed up again, it’s because once you start that comment it takes a life of its own and want DIE.
So lay off that stuff.
Braveheart
Gotta pay attention to those 10 commandments dude. I’d tell you about them but I was just cleaning off my golden idol when I saw my neighbors wife skinny dippin in the pool — she’s HOT. Wish I had me some of that.
By uga-brave
March 21, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this
DOB,
speaking of homeruns, i guess francoeur’s new found power only extends to CHINO’S fastball.
no more excuses, not his age, not his experience, it is time to become a FIRST NAME KIND of player.
too many holes in that swing for me ever to think he is gonna be a star.
By uga-brave
March 21, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this
DOB,
honest opinion, yates or boyer.
it is going to be one or the other.
By Jeff Francoeur
March 21, 2008 1:36 AM | Link to this
Yeah, no more excuses! Driving in 100 runs two years in a row is AWFUL! I’m so ashamed of myself…
By Capt. Caveman (the original dawg)
March 21, 2008 1:43 AM | Link to this
uga-brave
It’s Boyer all the way dude.
After Cox’s comment I don’t see anyway Boyer doesn’t stay over YIKES.
By uga-brave
March 21, 2008 1:57 AM | Link to this
jeff francoeur,
the only reason your numbers are so good it is because you get 600 plate appearances.
diaz had better .slg percentage then you. your .ops was really average.
considering the fact you play a position that demand power you need to step up.
By Mark Wohlers
March 21, 2008 2:04 AM | Link to this
Yates is up in his head.
By uga-brave
March 21, 2008 2:07 AM | Link to this
at this point francoeur has to prove himself. this is a make or break kind of year.
unlike b’macc, the position RF demands big production.
we are lucky that we have a catcher that is a plus offensive kind of player.
justice proved it, sheff was our best right fielder. drew did well.
time for him to step up and be the guy the media thinks he is.
By CharlieAlphaBravo
March 21, 2008 2:17 AM | Link to this
Looks like the “Peter-Gammons-ripple-effect” is at it again, and it could cost the Bravos their “under-the-radar” status. Not long ago (on Sportscenter, I think), Mr. Baseball suprised many by picking our beloved Braves as favorites in the NL. Earlier tonight while sitting in with Joe and Boog, Ken Rosenthal announced his intentions to pick Atlanta to win the world series! He then qualified his statement by saying he never picks the Yanks or Sox, but it’s still apparent the sway that Mr. Gammons commands among the baseball media. Certainly good to hear so much confidence coming from (in my opinion) two of the very limited number of competent national baseball analysts.
Oh, and DOB: If there is a late trade with Detriot or another team invoving Thorman, Pena, or any of our other out-of-options players, what need do you think Frank Wren will try to address? What players do you think could FW could be targeting? Brandon Inge sure didn’t look thrilled to be back behind home plate as a backup, and I know Cox is a fan… Although it seems to me the gaps where we need help are getting few and far between… GO BRAVOS!!!
By Wikipedia
March 21, 2008 2:43 AM | Link to this
(Clap, Clap, Clap):
I see that you were able to utilize me for your Braves information. Very Good. However plagirasm is illegal so dont copy and paste exactly what you read. Now google on.
By BA
March 21, 2008 3:12 AM | Link to this
Hey, DOB, can you strong-arm your way into being in charge of the bumper music for the Braves radio broadcasts? All night these mindless riffs from these awful insipid country booger-eating songs…I’m not asking for anything crazy, maybe trick somebody into playing some Uncle Tupelo or Drive By Truckers riffs, just tell them it’s an old Garth Brooks tune, they’ll never know!
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 3:14 AM | Link to this
Did you guys notice that by listing the positions that are still open, and not listing backup 1B, or anything extra like fifth outfielder or second utility man, Frank Wren promised Scott Thorman a job? That is, unless he already has a trade going and they’ve managed not to leak it up to this point.
By Furman Bisher
March 21, 2008 3:28 AM | Link to this
Hey, I think the bumper music on the Braves broadcast is cutting edge and HIP! Anybody seen my where I left my teeth?
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 3:44 AM | Link to this
I personally think Brayan Pena is inevitable on the bench, just because he’s Swiss. A Swiss Army knife, that is.
My roster predictions
By Fidel Castro
March 21, 2008 4:04 AM | Link to this
Brayan Pena is INDEED an excellent athelete.
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 4:28 AM | Link to this
Outran your guards, didn’t he?
By Capt. Caveman (the original dawg)
March 21, 2008 4:43 AM | Link to this
DOB I just read an article about knuckleballs on ESPN and thought I would share this story from my HS days.
I played in HS and was a utility plyr and pitcher, I threw sidearm and had a great change-up pitch which was a knuckle-curve. They called me 10up/10down b/c that was the amount of runs we had to be up or down by in the last inning for me to pitch. We were in region playoffs and were crushing our opponent when the coach gave me the nod to finish the last inning but said “lay off that knuckle pitch and throw strikes so we can go home”. I got the first 2 batters on groundballs to short in 5 pitches total. 3rd batter comes up and with an 0-2 count my catcher smiles and gives my the wiggle fingers for the knuckle. I shook him off but he gave it again so I threw it. NORMALLY that pitch will start at the batter and float into the strike zone while he’s flinching out of habit for a called strike. THIS one looked like a volleyball coming down the middle and- as I cringed inside - proceeded to give up the LONGEST HOMERUN EVER HIT AT MY HS FIELD. As the batter touched home plate my coach spoke from the dugout and said “What pitch was that?” I tried to ignore him but my catcher took off his mask and yelled out “That was his fastball coach”. Coach looks at me and says “Now that is a great catcher”. As I walked off the field after the game my buds were still “trying” to cover and asked me how that guy could have turned on my fastball like that. (HAHA) Coach turns around and says “Well - when you telegraph that knuckle-curve 5 secs before you throw its a wonder they don’t all end up out there. By the way we have a few request - there are a few reporters that want to talk a few players (then he looks at me) and the next team were playing wants you to come throw batting practice tomorrow.”
Ahh — GOOD TIMES
By ncgary
March 21, 2008 6:15 AM | Link to this
im afraid im the idiot who started the go get nathan tirade, i didnt feel we needed him either, my thinking was low contract , twins unloading,and valuable mid season trade piece for anything that may go wrong between now and july31st, or trade for young guns down the road,
i just thought if we got him before spring training took off, that we could probably get twice what we gave at midseason, when probably tigers , indians, phillies and yes even the despised mutts will probably all be in the hunt for this commodity
in as new direction, with all the venezuelan connection the braves have ,what do braves execs think about the crisis that is occurring there?
“The war with the US has already begun and they are blocking our purchases of food”, Venezuelan Minister Ramón Rodríguez Chacín told viewers on Venezuelan TV on March 12. His statement came at a time when the US is threatening to add Venezuela to its list of “terror-sponsoring” states and some Senators are calling for a full blockade of the country.US blocks Venezuelan purchase of food
i mean look at the mentally challenged so called experts this current admin has put in place to deal with these type crisis, i just would hate to see what looks like a possible championship season be interrupted by the loons in charge of our country
By ncscoots
March 21, 2008 6:32 AM | Link to this
I can only hope Wren’s “overrated” comment is in the context of a Dave Kingman. Mercy.
His seeming emphasis on populating the farm system with no-pop speed demons, and comments like that one, frankly unnerve me.
By SNIPER-69
March 21, 2008 6:36 AM | Link to this
BBFan, yes the Mets had some horrible years in the 60’s. But for Gods sake, they were an expansion team. It’s not like it is today. Back then there was no free agency that a new owner could throw millions to put together a decent team. Look at the Astro’s who came into existance the same year. They just made their first World Series a few years ago. The Mets have been to four WS and won two of them in the same span. Two other points in regard to your post. I can only compare the two teams after 1962 because the Mets didn’t exsist prior to that and secondly, I’m not even going to try and validate any claims of team loyalty to your refernces to what the braves did Before they came to Atlanta because you know as well as I do that the braves only mattered to 99% of the bloggers here when they became the Atlanta braves. My whole point is that every team has years they’d rather forget. Even the braves.
By Capt. Caveman (the original dawg)
March 21, 2008 6:37 AM | Link to this
NCGARY
What the hell?? How does Venezuela affect the Braves season? Dude, you are really reaching trying to start that discussion on politics.
Get a clue, Get a life, and shut up!!
By Andy
March 21, 2008 6:50 AM | Link to this
Yates actually pitches an entire inning, gives up a run, and brings his era DOWN?! Three walks included. Can we pleeeeeeease dump this guy?!?!
By ncgary
March 21, 2008 7:03 AM | Link to this
lew great gift thanks man dont know how ya do it , but way to go
braveheart i thought i smelled that too hes sure bin stinkin it up so far this spring, but yates does have his spurts , maybe when the season starts he will go on that 0 earned run spurt for a while
lets go braves world series rings for all
By ncgary
March 21, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this
well capt sorry you felt that way, clue unless i work for you dont give orders please,
seriously braves seem to recruit venezuela liberally, and when unrest is abroad caused by whatever, then yes it can interrupt seasons see ww2 era,
By T-Bone
March 21, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
N8
No harm, no foul. Any friend of Seinfeld is a friend of mine.
Let’s play some real baseball. Go Braves!!
BTW, I eat my candy bars with a knife and fork!
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this
ncgary, i guess it’s just early and I haven’t had enough coffee, but I’m scratching my head over your concerns of a Braves season being interrupted by political unrest in Venezuela. I mean, really.
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
CharlieAlphaBravo: Not sure what area of need Braves would fill in a possible trade with Detroit. And neither did their writers, who only knew Tigers needed relief help, but not what they were offering.
When I asked Frank last night if Braves had money to add a player of significant salary to their payroll — I threw out a $3-4 mill figure — he said yes, without hesitation.
By Epinephrine
March 21, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Ahahah what a fantastic way to start the blog to day. Venezuela. Awesome stuff.
By 22oz
March 21, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
T-Bone, you don’t happen to like to eat giant bowls of shrimp, do you? If so, the ocean called…..
By Gus
March 21, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this
NCGary, the article you linked to is heavily biased in favor of a Venezuelan government that loves to pick fights with anyone. I know because I’m from there and have followed the situation for the past decade. Anything the Chavez people say against the US has to be taken with a grain of salt as it’s usually misleading, disingenuous or worse. The ballplayers here know that as well. They’ll play on.
By eware
March 21, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Well, fellas, I saw a great show last night: Back Door Slam at Smith’s Olde Bar. Dudes the closest we’re going to get to having SRV back. If you haven’t heard them, check them out…
By the way, Smith’s might be the best venue in Atlanta…just a thought.
DOB, do you think that $3-4 mil would cover Barry Bonds? I heard he’s coming to Atlanta…(thick sarcasm)
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
Eware, Smith’s is right up there, for sure. Great, intimate setting to see a band, and they get some pretty damn big acts for a place that small.
By chase
March 21, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
DOB and other faithful bloggers..
What are we going to do with some of the so called “fans” on here?
The season hasn’t even started and they are already gloom and doom…
I’ve already seen predictions of “3rd place at best” and “Soriano or this person isn’t going to finish the season” and so on
GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE
Nobody knows what the season holds Any team can have injuries and the MUTS and PHILLIES are no better than the BRAVES
You can easily go the other way and say: “Man, think how good the Braves will be if Hampton pitches well all year and most everyone stays realitively healthy”
But the attitudes of some of you people ALREADY…are just giving me INDIGESTION….God I’d hate to have your outlooks on life!!!!!!
By Braveheart
March 21, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
I hope Chipper Jones does not slump because he is worried about the price of milk in China.
By Braveheart
March 21, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
If David Bowie is afraid of Americans, how afraid is he of American Americans?
By Braveheart
March 21, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
Get a clue, Get a life, and shut up!!
The Lord is watching you at all times Caveman. Remember that.
By BB FAN
March 21, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
SNIPER-69,
Of course every team has years to forget. Even the Yankees.
A team’s history is part of the team though. Some teams have moved from city to city. It’s still the same franchise though. And you can’t just dismiss the Braves’ history before 1962 just because the Mets were not in existance.
The main reason that I dislike the Mets so much is the fact that they have tried to “buy” World Series winners since about 1990. They would just go out and sign free agents every year. They would just ignore the drafting and development of great players and go for the quick fix. A team needs to build from within and sign a free agent or two to fill holes.
Your statement of “Back then there was no free agency that a new owner could throw millions to put together a decent team” makes me believe that is how you want your team built. Just like the Mets are built today…the team was “bought”. Sure, they have Wright and Reyes, but that’s about all they have developed. Most of the other players were bought.
Now the 1986 Mets team was built. I think Carter was really the only “big” free agent signing. They developed Gooden, Fernandez, Darling, Strawberry, Dykstra, Mitchell, McDowell and so on. That team deserved to win. Too bad half of them turned into addicts.
The Braves have the history of building teams from within. They will sign a free agent once in a while to compliment their team, but for the most part, they develope the team through the draft and smart trades.
They developed Chipper, Andruw, Smoltz, Lopez, Gant, Glavine, Klesko, Lemke, Justice, Avery, Wohlers, Millwood and so on. Basically every core player throughout the 90’s and 2000’s was developed. Maddux and Galarraga were the two “big” free agents during the run. But again, the core was developed. Even in 1991, the free agent signings of Bream and Pendleton were brought in to be leaders. Pendleton ended up having 2-3 great years.
By TJ
March 21, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
More on World Politics and their effect on MLB:
Headline in South Florida Business Journal: Burger King to Open in Curaçao
I’m hoping Jurjenns doesn’t decide to quit baseball and return to his homeland.
I’m pretty sure Andruw Jones will.
By timthebrave
March 21, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
chase, That is a mets fan predicting the Braves to be 3rd or 2nd at best. Don’t take too much stock in it. Of course he is predicting the mets to win even though they seem to be falling apart. Just like I predicted UGA to beat Xavier and go to sweet 16 with no evidence supporting it…argh. Smith Olde bar is good as far as you can get right up to the band and sound is pretty good. I’ve always liked Chastain for outdoor although very few bands I like go there. Also tabernacle(I just like the feel of the place) DOB…others What are your favorite places to see bands in Atlanta?
By Dillydog
March 21, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
Those of us in Kissimee, Florida are sorry to hear you did not enjoy your stay here. We enjoy Atlanta, going to the games, never mention the need for a concealed weapons permit, but then apparently we have been raised with better manners. We look forward to another season of Braves baseball. It is a challanging time for our team. Hope your flight home is a good one and if you decide not to return next year, we will understand.
By Fred Secunda
March 21, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
DOB, it looks like the Cubs and Tigers have been talking shop for Cubs reliever Michael Wuertz, maybe for Brandon Inge or Marcus Thames. Wuertz is more proven than any of the out of options four, but I can’t help but think Inge would be a great backup infielder/outfielder/catcher if we could somehow make it work.
By McFann
March 21, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Dang, I didn’t know they won till today.
That’s all for me today. It’s Good Friday—gotta stay off the computer.
Yates needs to join Ho-Ho in going to minors.
By JHill
March 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
DOB, just saw that Smoltz has been scratched. You know anything? Should we be concerned?
By Murphy
March 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
BB-Fan-don’t forget about McGriff when you talk about big FA signings suring that time.
By richbrave
March 21, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
FRED SECUNDA:
Unfortunately, the rift between Inge and the Tigers was over playing time which the Braves cannot offer now.
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
TJ: your 9:47 made Ovaltine come out of my nose. Good stuff. Maybe in a couple of years AJ can retire and buy that franchise, although he’d probably “eat into” his profits a bit.
By SandyB
March 21, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
As spring training winds down and I’m anxiously awaiting March 30 and the season, I have discovered a very sad fact…..I am addicted to the blog (as it appears are those who blog on at 1 and 2 am…).
My understanding is that the first step is admitting you have a problem.
However, going through the other 11 steps will just have to wait until October.
By richbrave
March 21, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
TJ:
Yours of 9:47 a.m. Have a burger, want a burger.
By OrlandoFan
March 21, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Never have been a fan of Yates’. HOpefully, last night helped Bobby see the light — I know, he was “just missing” — and will retain Boyar and Resop. Yates surely could net a minor-leaguer in a trade.
By richbrave
March 21, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
BBfan:
Whoa, whoa. The Braves farm system developed SMOLTZ? He came from Detroit, man.
By bigchiefrg
March 21, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
What is this about Smoltzie being scratched from today’s start and may now go on the DL to start the season due to a sore shoulder? I havent heard any trace of this before now.
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Smoltz: Right shoulder discomfort. Going to talk to him now.
By Steve McP
March 21, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Braves mlb site is already saying Smoltz might start the season on the DL due to “shoulder discomfort” - scary, now we have to go back to discuss the rotation, it may mean that Chuck has to get into games earlier than expected.
By TJ
March 21, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Geez. This ain’t good.
By Random
March 21, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
DOB: “(Jurrjens & Gorkys - kind of sounds like the name of a cool band, doesn’t it?)*
Even cooler would be Here’s the Thing, or Wren Likes Good Arms.
By TJ
March 21, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
I really think that Yates would clear waivers, unless he shows alot between now and the 28th. He makes $800K, and it’s hard to see many teams picking up a guy with that salary and a huge e.r.a. I’d love to be able to send him down to work things out… he at least has some experience, and “stuff”, in case needed.
But no way should he take a spot from any of the other 3.
By SNIPER-69
March 21, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
BB FAN, I guess from your point of view it may look as if the Mets are trying to buy a title. But lets me honest. Ted Turner did some big spending when he was there…..Didn’t he?. If a team has the resources to sign players why shouldn’t they. MLB rules allows this so you won’t get any apologies from a NY fan for being a large market team. Their are some greedy owners who take the profits and put them in thier pockets instead of reinvesting in the team. And as for dismissing the braves prior to 1962. I’m not doing that. I’m just trying to keep things even. You can’t compare wins, titles, ect when one organization has an 86 year head start.
By TennesseePaul
March 21, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
Morning. Smoltz is in a discomfort zone. That doesn’t seem good. Perhaps he should have been pitching normally this spring instead of the back fields.
Might be a good idea to pick up Patterson on some kind of small contract just in case. Yeah. He stunk it up last season and hasn’t been too promising this season either. Perhaps he is experiencing some discomfort somewhere. But if he rehabs well and gets back to form he’d be an asset either by contribution or trade.
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
Smoltz scratched
The team website says it’s shoulder soreness, that it started Wednesday during a side session, and that when he woke up this morning still sore, they pulled the plug on his start. Bowman went all doom-and-gloom and was talking about the ageless wonder starting the season on the DL, but it seems a little early for that (even though it is only a week or so to opening day). If nothing else, Smoltz could leave early in his first few starts of the regular season if he’s not stretched out enough.
By Epinephrine
March 21, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
I don’t want to say the sky is falling, but a serious problem with Smoltz would be devastating to this team. We can live without him pretty easily for about a month of the season. Anything more than that, and look out.
By 22oz
March 21, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
If this Smoltz thing is serious, then we can blame Ken Rosenthal for picking the Braves to win the World Series. D@mn you Rosenthal!!!!!!!!!!!
By Epinephrine
March 21, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
Where are people hearing Mark Bowman going doom and gloom? None of the article say anything about him starting the year on the DL?
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Oh, come on. Seems like just a couple of weeks ago I read on this very blog that the club had enough quality arms to make up two major-league rotations, and all of a sudden, just because Smoltz—who is really not as young as he used to be, I would like to point out—wakes up stiff in the morning, Tim Hudson is chopped liver, Tom Glavine is (gasp) in fact washed up, Hampton’s arm is hanging by a thread, and the rest of the potential starters should be playing beer-league softball. Sheeeeeeeeesh!
By Braveheart
March 21, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Smoltz: Right shoulder discomfort. Going to talk to him now.
DOB, you cryptic SOB
By Braveheart
March 21, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Smoltz: Right shoulder discomfort.
In keeping with this spring’s theme, hopefully it is just simulated right shoulder discomfort.
By 22oz
March 21, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Well, this is why we have depth. Granted, hopefully, its not JoJo. I think Bennett or Chuck can slide up into the five hole if neccessary, and everyone in the rotation take one step forward, and we’ll be fine til Smotlz works this out. This thing sounds precautionary, so i’m gonna treat it as that until i hear otherwise.
By Gene Garbage
March 21, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
DOB- you heard any of the new MMJ tunes from Evil Urges? BADASS. Smokin’ from Shootin’ might be the coolest song ever. Go Braves
By SNIPER-69
March 21, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
pan·ic (pān’ĭk) Pronunciation Key
n.
A sudden, overpowering terror, often affecting many people at once.
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
Epi: The article has been rewritten. The original one was about half as long, and spent a couple of paragraphs talking about the possibility of Smoltz starting off the season on the DL, and hinting that this was last season’s pain back for round two.
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
Here’s story I just filed:
By DAVID O’BRIEN dobrien@ajc.com
Lake Buena Vista, Fla. _ Braves pitcher John Smoltz was scratched from his scheduled start today due to shoulder soreness, but the veteran insisted it was �no big deal.�
�Just a little tightness,� pitching coach Roger McDowell said.
Nevertheless, there were immediate alarm flags raised figuratively over Braves camp with only eight days until the March 30 season opener against Washington.
Jeff Bennett will replace him in today�s start against Cleveland.
Smoltz was expected to start the second game of the season March 31 against Pittsburgh, but there�s at least a small chance he�ll open the season on the disabled list.
He has made only one Grapefruit League start, after skipping his first three turns in order to work on off-speed pitches in backfield sessions against mostly minor league hitters.
Smoltz said he developed a �knot� in his shoulder/neck area during a Wednesday side session. It�s the same area that he injured when he slipped making a warmup pitch May 29 at Milwaukee, but Smoltz said this isn�t anywhere near the severity of that injury.
He pitched after that injury, but ended up going on the disabled list in July when the inflammation wouldn�t subside without an injection and rest.
The soreness is not in the shoulder that would indicate rotator-cuff or labrum problems, the type that most commonly require surgery.
�So many people the last few years have just been waiting to say, �This is it,�� Smoltz said, referring to those who�ve anticipated a career-threatening injury to the man who�s had four elbow surgeries.
�I will let everyone know when it�s it. That�s not a problem.�
And this, he said, is not �it.�
Smoltz said if it were a regular-season game, he would have started. �That�d be a no-brainer,� he said.
�But it�s a long season, and it�s more important for me to be able to help the team over the long haul than in one game.�
Smoltz told me this is exactly the type of situation he referred to before spring training and at end of last season, when he hoped Braves would have a spot-starter type guy who could fill in on occasion if he or someone else needed to skip a turn.
If Smoltz were on the DL to begin the season, the date could be backdated for nine days into the spring training (six days of the 15 in a season-opening DL stint must come during the regular season).
With the Braves having a scheduled day off April 1 after the second game of the season, they could skip a starter and not need a fifth starter until April 6, when Smoltz could be back from the DL, if he does land there.
By The Sky
March 21, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
I’ve fallen and I can’t get up.
By Lew
March 21, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Panic-Something the Mets and their fans have more than a passing familiarity with.
By timthebrave
March 21, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
oldballclub (loser mets)-when a team suddenly has all their overpaid starting fielders go on the disabled list so they go to a braves blog and try to annoy other bloggers
By timthebrave
March 21, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
choke-1. to lose a huge lead in a baseball division race 2. To pull a met
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
This is just typical ST-games-don’t-count caution. In the regular season, I believe John Smoltz would pitch through it; if it were the post-season, he’d pitch if he had a knife sticking out of his eye! John Smoltz wants this team to go all the way, and if he feels that can be best accomplished by being cautious when the scores don’t count, I trust him.
By geauxbraves2000
March 21, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Ruh-Ro Shaggy.
By TJ
March 21, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
Hopefully no big thing with Smoltz. Thanks for the update, DOB.
This is why I was asking about Bennett’s option status the other day.
If this were regular season, and Smoltz (or any other starter) had a slight problem like this, what would we do? With a BP of Soriano, Moylan, Acosta, Ohman, and say, Resop, Boyer and Ring, who could step in to start?
I guess from that group, either Boyer or Acosta but neither is really prepared to pitch 4 or 5 innings. Or, you could start one of the other 4 on 3 days’ rest, but with the age of our rotation, that doesn’t seem like a good thing.
We’ve got great depth if a pitcher is put on the DL, but this, to me, demonstrates the need for a “long” guy ON the 25-man, who can step in for one start without having to shake up the roster (and who can eat up some innings if a starter has a bad day and leaves after 2 IP).
I’m not a fan of having 7 1-inning pitchers in the ‘pen, and I fear that’s what we’re heading for.
By bigchiefrg
March 21, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
Braveheart 11:25 almost made coffee come out my nose…NICE!!!
By SNIPER-69
March 21, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
I didn’t know Lew could read two syllable words. good for you!! However, remember: “The Best Laid Plans of Mice and Men Often Go Awry”
By Jon
March 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
Hey David O’Brien, Did you see the comment your brother Conan made the other night about the Mets? He said something about the Mets making every forget about last seasons collapse by collapsing this year in spring training, or something like, pretty funny stuff.
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
I don’t put it past John Smoltz to spend the next off-season getting his left arm in shape, so that it can spot-start for his right arm. He’s just that kind of gamer. And if he did, I’d bet his left arm would still post a sub-4 ERA and a strikeout an inning.
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
I seem to recall another MLB pitcher doing that—he had a “career-ending” injury to his pitching arm, so he switched hands and came back. Does anyone remember who that was? I’m drawing a blank as to his name.
By raindawg722
March 21, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
Smoltz’s competitiveness knows no bounds. This alleged shoulder soreness is just a ruse so he can go pitch another simulated game and work on that knuckler.
By flange1
March 21, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
Well this isn’t what we wanted to hear!
Hopefully it’s just temporary discomfort, but this is a reminder that we do need a spot starter on this team.
Smoltz, Glavine and Hampton are all older and will have some aches and pains. Hopefully nothing worse!
Coach made a good point last night that IF the Braves were showcasing relievers last night, they showed off Ring, Ridgeway and Yates. Resop had pitched the day before, but no Boyer. It is possible that that is a telling sign of who the Braves will keep and who they will let go.
By nOLIE
March 21, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
By The Sky
March 21, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
I’ve fallen and I can’t get up.
LMAO
By BravesFanInRockies
March 21, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Guess that settles the problem with out-of-option guys at the end of ST, right? :-)
By i cant take it anymore
March 21, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the smoltz update, David.
By DCbrave
March 21, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
It’s definitely way too early to panic about Smoltz or the Braves rotation for that matter. He knows better than anybody else about his body. As ippi said, we should trust him, at least for now.
With that said, it is not too early to consider the Braves’ future. Realisticlly, we have to admit, like it or not, the “it” time cannot be too far away for Smoltz and Glavine. How many pitchers can pitch like an ace past their 40’s w/o the help of steroids, or anything to that effect?
To come back to the Braves’ dominating years, and to be able to sustain it for more years to come, the team needs a much younger ace and a younger #2.
There was a reason why JS went out to acquire young Maddux right after he got his first Cy Young even we had Glavine and Smoltz.
Just some thoughts.
By Efrim
March 21, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
We are going to have a long season if Smoltz isn’t healthy. A very long season. We can’t really afford to have him miss something like 10 starts. Who cares at this point. We have old starters, everyone knew this going in. Braves just have to deal with it and win the freekin division. Guys gotta step up.
By taylor s
March 21, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
this could turn out great. If Smoltz does go on the DL and comes off the 6th that will be the sunday game against the mets. Wed have Hudson Glavine and Smoltz for the week end series. That’s ideal … lets bury them early.
By Wayne in Utah
March 21, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
Time to commence with the wringing of the hands….
By Pete H.
March 21, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
ippi: I think Greg Harris is the only ML pitcher ever to pitch with both arms. And he only threw one inning leftie. Of course, some strange stuff happened during WWII, not least of which was Pete Gray (one-armed OF) and I seem to remember some guy who mangled a hand learning to throw with the other arm and finally making it to the bigs.
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Didn’t know we had people on here from Belgium, the Phillipines, Romania etc. until they clicked through to my fan page. In that case,
Welcome! - 歓迎 - ¡saludos! - Boa vinda! - Bienvenue!
By Epinephrine
March 21, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Taylor S, no one gets buried in May. Sorry.
By TexasBrave
March 21, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
This Smoltz scare will probably cause the addition of a long reliever/spot starter at the beginning of the season instead of later in the season. Thus instead of having three of the four (Boyer, Resop, Ring and Yates), we will only get two and need to include either Bennett, Chuck or Buddy.
Man than sucks!!
By ippississiM
March 21, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
Pete H:
I was thinking more recent, possibly still active, and he made the switch before he ever made the bigs. He was either in school or in the minors when his arm was ruined, and he turned it around and came back. It seems to me like he was a closer….
By TexasBrave
March 21, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
This Smoltz scare will probably cause the addition of a long reliever/spot starter at the beginning of the season instead of later in the season. Thus instead of having three of the four (Boyer, Resop, Ring and Yates), we will only get two and need to include either Bennett, Chuck or Buddy.
Man than sucks!!
Sorry if this got posted twice. The first time it seemed like it didn’t go through.
By beachcomber
March 21, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
ajc-com was just the bomb today. Great article on the positional battles - a nice problem to have.
Neat “pick the rotation” piece. Did mine before I heard the Smoltz news but it was in agreement with a majority except for swapping Jurrjens and Hampton in the rotation. I have the same feeling about this kid I had about Escobar last year - he is going to be way better than a lot of folks expect. Plus you separate two relatively soft-tossing lefties by moving him to the four hole.
The news about Smoltz is a downer but the guy knows his body better than us and we have no reason to believe other than what he said.
Have to agree with a couple folks above. The ‘08-‘09 off season should be dedicated to finding a relatively young and durable #2 or 3 starter even if it means saying goodbye to Tex which we probably will have to do irregardless.
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 21, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
It will be nice to see what Bennett can do today , but I didn’t want to it to happen under these circumstances.
Smoltz only has 4.2 innings of game action so far. If he can’t get two more games in between now and the start of the season , Cox will probably have to put him on the D.L.
It is cause for concern , but way to early for panic. This is exactly why we have Chuck James , Jeff Bennett and Jo-Jo Reyes around to pick up the slack.
By Epinephrine
March 21, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
Huge start for Bennett. Perfect opportunity to prove he can be the spot starter. So let’s see it.
By David O'Brien
March 21, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
NEW BLOGGAGE IS UPPAGE
By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)
March 21, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Bennett , game up a single which was erased on a double play to end the inning. He kept everything on the ground and looks great so far.
By Lee in S. GA
March 21, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Reyes name needs to be eliminated about replacing any starting pitcher at present time.
By TJ
March 21, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
DCbrave, I also agree that we’re likely gonna have to find a quality starter before next year. Smoltz, Glavine and Hampton could all be back and strong in ‘09, but it sure doesn’t seem likely.
But, with Hampton and Glavine probably coming off the books (and maybe Tex), we’ll have both the money and the prospects to do some dealing.
Anyway, it’s a problem for another day, I guess.
Your post reminded me of how aggressive that was, signing Maddux in ‘93, when we had Smoltz, Glavine and Avery all coming off stellar seasons, and all so young. Oh, to have a passionate, slightly dimented, deep-pocketed owner again!
By dragrace79
March 21, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
ippississiM I’m 90% sure it was Billy Wagner. Went on to throw even harder with the left. Might have happened in his early teens…but either way I’m nearly positive it was him.
By Robert
March 21, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
By the amount of playing time Javy Lopez is getting, I guess he has made the team
By Alex
March 21, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
The only thing i can assure you is the fact that baseball and politics do not go together…even in venezuela, where baseball is a national sport, and the president an avid baseball fan, he will not go to the point at which he hurts his ratings by denying baseball!!!
On the other hand: Bennett will do well today! have a good feeling about this guy for this upcoming season!
By BB FAN
March 21, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
Murphy
McGriff was acquired in a trade from Padres. I believe Melvin Nieves, donnie Elliot and another.
Sniper-69
Turner really didn’t sign a lot of free agents like I said. He spent money to keep players the team developed, but Maddux and Galarraga were the only real big free agents I can think of. He filled holes with some lower grade free agents many times.
By Nelson
March 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this
My Dear Atlanta fans: Again you can say I don’t write English correctly and that I Know nothing about baseball, but after watching only two games I can tell you for sure that Kotsay is not the solution for center field, he doesn’t cover enough ground (I know nobody will do it like Andrew), and hitting is not what I expected, I tell you that Francouer is much better center fielder that him and in rigth field you can place that young man from the Marlins (Joe Borchard), believe me he is a very good player, I have seen him here in Miami and he is the man for that position. In other hands Prado is the man for second base. He is a natural second baseman, not a fabricated one like Kelly Johnson, the only thing Kelly has in his favor as a first hitter is his ability to be patient and negociate the base on balls!. Javy is in an outstanding shape, He is looking great defensively, and all we know he will hit sooner or later, simply because he is naturally a good hitter. So my bet is Prado, Borchard and Javy. This is the best choice for the team, but off-course Bobby won’t do it, he will go with Kotsay and Kelly and srcrew it all again like he did last year when he selected Wilson, Corky and the other who know who over Prado and Escobar, if Chiper didn’t hurt, then we won’t have Escobar today because he left him out last year! Now tell me stupid, I’m ready for that. Thanks, Nelson.
By pjd
March 21, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
<< includes journeyman Corky Miller, who hit a grand slam Saturday (it was a bit wind-aided, but still a well-struck slam that tied the game before Blaine Boyer hit a couple of guys and gave up the winning run in the ninth).>>
Corky’s hits a grand slam in the 8th to tie to game (yes Blaine blew in the in night)…and that’s all the coverage it got? I’ve been to all the DWWS games plus a few others around the area, and THAT was an exciting GS!! I know it doesn’t mean much in the big scheme of things to come, but Heckie Darn! that was fun to watch!
By pjd
March 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this
RE: pitchers I don’t understand keeping Jo-Jo Reyes or Tyler Yates. I don’t get Bobby’s faith in either.
Jeff Bennett is going to be great. I’m sure (due to expected or unexpected injuries) he’ll be on the roster at some point this season. Remember in September in Atlanta when he came into and got a standing ovation when he left the game? WOw! Star material.
I’m afraid to even HOPE that Hampton or Gonzales will be healthy… although I pray that they will.
It’s going to be an interesting year!
By johnny
March 22, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this
Dob thanks for the xm interview,nice to catch up on braves when i’m on the road
By Random
March 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
LAST?