Braves

By BravesFan

February 20, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

First

By ssiscribe

February 20, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

From the bottom of the last blog, responding to bullpen talk:

By ssiscribe

February 20, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Davey: I think the bullpen is actually a strength (regardless of what the folks at SI.com have to say). The way it stands right now, here’s the way I see it:

Closer: Soriano

Set-up men: Moylan, Acosta, Yates

Lefty specialist: Ohman

Spot starter/long reliever: Bennett (if he doesn’t win a rotation spot outright)

That’s six of the seven spots right there. I said all winter I think the Braves will carry two lefties, which means Ring or Ridgway would earn the final spot. But I’m beginning to hedge on that. If the Braves keep Bennett as the spot starter/long reliever, then I think they will carry one lefty (Ohman), and the final spot will be between Boyer, Stockman and Resop, with somebody like DeSalvo, Drese, Schreiber or Cuevas needing an awesome camp and perhaps an injury or trade to make the team.

Ohman’s numbers outside of Wrigley are fantastic. Moylan proved last year he is one of the league’s better set-up guys. Yates’ numbers were good both in 07 and 06 before he tired, a victim of overuse. Acosta was impressive when given a chance and has really good stuff. We’ve discussed Soriano at length the past couple of days.

Dotel was good at the end, but the Braves couldn’t afford him or Mahay. True, they lost Asciano and Devine. But remember, they gave up Asciano to get two needed pieces (utility guy in Infante who can back up at short, which Prado can’t do, and Infante also can play third and second and all three OF positions. They also got Ohman, a veteran lefty to replace Mahay). They gave up Devine for Kotsay, a career .282 hitter who figures to hit second in the lineup and, if he is healthy, is an absolute steal at $2 million a year.

The Braves totally gave away McBride, which I think was a mistake. Davies needed a fresh start somewhere. Paronto was released to make room for Resop. And, if all goes well, you add Gonzalez (who had 24 saves in 2006) by mid-summer.

I think the bullpen will be just fine. They were second or third in the NL in ERA last year, and I think they will be even better this year. A big key is having their roles defined coming out of camp, which they will be, and not having to use the bully so much in the middle innings (read: better and deeper performance by the middle and back of the rotation).

—30—

By TBraveFan

February 20, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

“People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.”

YES….and it is finally within reach!

By flange1

February 20, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Alright! Now we are started!!!

By 22oz

February 20, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

More power from Escobar sound good. As long as he doesn’t go all Furcal on us. Whenever Furcal would hit a homerun, he would spend the next week swinging for the fences and get mired in a slump, until he realized again what his strength was.

By David Bowie

February 20, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

From the last blog too:

Mr O’brien, I don’t post much, but i read all the blog all the time. It looks like you might need some help to make it through the this tough time … so i wrote a song to help you out and give you inspiration.

Five Weeks by David Bowie (to the tune of my song, Five Years)

Pushing thru the darkest star, so many writers sighing

News had just come over, we had five years left of testifying

News guy wept and told us, Clemens, just won’t stop trying

Cried so much his face was wet, then I knew Roger was lying

I heard telephones, laptops, autograph seeking, I saw australians, cubans, and B.P with T.P

My brain hurt like hamptons elbow, no more surgeries to spare

I had to make a story for blog, everything goes in there

And Bennet was a fat-skinny bra-ave

and Chuk james was a tall-short bra-ave

And all the nobody bra-aves, and all the somebody bra-aves

I never thought Id need so many bra-aves …

(Chorus) Weve got five weeks, dark star is stuck on my eyes

Five weeks, I miss varsity fries

Weve got five weeks, my hand hurts a lot

Five weeks, that I want what starks’s got

Weve got five weeks, the same question again

Five weeks, disney makes me cringe

Weve got five weeks, Orlando’s too far

Five weeks, i hate my rental car

Weve got five weeks, no more of that mouse!

Five weeks, I can’t smoke in my house!

Weve got five weeks, Dave can we resign tex?

Five weeks, Next

Weve got five weeks, no, really, how much for tex?

Weve got five weeks, Next, Next, Next

Weve got five weeks, wait, my brothers, friends, boss is friends with mark and said he was firing boras and building a house adjacint to turner field, then do you think we could sign Tex?

Fiveweeks, NEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

Five weeks

Five weeks

Five weeks

Five weeks

By rupert

February 20, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

yeah i saw that si article, they picked the braves to finish behind the marlins and just ahead of the nationals, insightful journalism indeed

By jame

February 20, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

DOB, is Heyward at ST?

By Mike

February 20, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

I’m having withdrawals.

When is Chuck James expected to throw off the mound? I think it would be great for the team if he and Mike Hampton were both throwing better than expected early this spring.

By Bryan

February 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Hey, that si I article first appeared on the Baseball Prospectus website … Joe Sheehan is the name … and he is actually one of the co-founders of that website …

By flange1

February 20, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

ssiscribe,

I agree with you on the pen. If you pencil in Soriano to close, Moylan in the 8th, then Acosta, Yates and Ohman + either Boyer, Ring, Resop and Stockman as the other short guy, you have a talented, hard throwing, deep bull pen.

I agree that Bennett will probably be the long man, but it could be Chuck James too.

I actually think the Braves will make a trade that trades AWAY some of these bull pen guys because they are out of options.

I don’t understand the “we doomed” comments from folks so early in the year. If you have no hope the team will do well, you probably should find another team to root for.

I agree with Coach that this 2008 Braves team is going to be very good. 1 or 2 more small trades to shore up the bench and the team is good to go!

By David-ATL14

February 20, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Solid work DOB, can’t wait for Yunel to continue the annual tradition of making the eggheaded Joe Sheehan look foolish again.

There’s no bigger hack in the business than Sheehan other than possibly Rob Neyer.

By TennesseePaul

February 20, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

DOB: Thanks for the blog and the update.

Aahhh the annual rights of Spring. Pitchers and Catchers report. Position players report. Hope is all over the place and not just in Arkansas. And of course, the new tradition… describing Yunel and predicting power potential… and almost right on que… 5 days earlier this year. We must be really ready for the season.

By David O’Brien

February 25, 2007 04:52 PM

Cox raved about Harrison today, but even more about Yunel Escobar. Said he absolutely crushed the ball on back field during BP. Bobby spent the day back there watching a bunch of the prospects.

Escobar is ripped, man. Saw him in the clubhouse after workout. He’s not built like a typical middle infielder, taller and stronger than most. Built more like a 3B, but moves well enough to play middle infield. And teams keep calling Braves about him…

GO BRAVES!!

By N8

February 20, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

I had JUST posted this on the old blog, and by the time it loaded (posted), I saw that DOB had posted the new blog, so I’m “transfering it over here…Sorry to those that already read it.

Mr. Baseball

In general I agreed with yesterday’s 6:05 reguarding the Braves and their development of 1B.

You stated that they developed only one 1B over the years and “couldn’t wait to get rid of him”. I’ll assume you’re talking about LaRoche, which isn’t that far off.

Though, I wouldn’t say that they couldn’t wait to get rid of him, I think they legitimately thought Thorman could do the job, and saw an opportunity to add Mike Gonzalez (who might have been a difference maker in making up the 5 games we fell out of 1st place last year, had his season NOT been cut short).

But the one guy your are forgetting about, is Klesko. He NEVER should have been an outfielder. He made Diaz look like a GG’r. Granted he improved as time went along, but had McGriff not been a Brave (I remember an article where Klesko was PIZZED and wanted to be traded when the Braves traded for McGriff and didn’t call him up), Klesko COULD HAVE BEEN our 1B for a while. He wasn’t the greatest defensively at 1B either, but had he not been converted to an outfielder, and stayed at 1B, his defense could have improved.

So I just chuckle at all of you guys saying there is a track record of the Braves NOT putting guys out of position, or changing their positions. Chipper was gonna be an outfielder (replacing Gant), until he got hurt. Which thrust Klesko into the LF job in 94. KJ goes from being a SS, to learning to play the OF, THEN gets converted to a 2B, and did a fine job.

Bottom line, is that the player the Brave contemplate moving to different positions is a good enough athlete, they don’t seem to have a problem teaching them a new position. So I wouldn’t be so sure that pending what happens with Tex, that Heyward won’t be given EVERY opportunity to learn 1B, or be traded.

We already have Francoeur, Schafer is on the way, Brandon will be here this year, and you’ve got the kid in the Rentera deal (Hernandez?), along with Anderson and other OF prospects coming up. I don’t see Heyward being in our OF pland anytime soon (assuming he’s ready to hit up here).

He’s got a big enough frame (long that is), to play 1B, and if he’s as good of an athlete as the scouting reports say, why can’t he start playing their (1B) when he gets to AA or AAA to see what he can do?

Like I said though, if Tex signs, then Heyward is either trade bait (but more than likely he’d be the LF of the future - since his “stock” seams to be higher than that of Brandon Jones).

Only time will tell.

By James

February 20, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

I’m glad to hear all our boys took to working out during the offseason (Mac, Frenchy, and Yunel all made significant gains according to DOB). Let’s just hope everyone bulked up naturally, the last thing we need is a 50 game suspension.

By Braveheart

February 20, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

We all love our Jeter and Escobar comparisons and I think they are very valid due to the way that they play the game beyond just what the numbers tell you.

But even their numbers are strikingly similar. Jeter and Escobar had a similar AVG and Babip in the minors and in the majors.

Jeter hit a home run once every 110 at bats in the minor leagues. Escobar hit a homer once every 80 or so at bats in the minor leagues.

In Jeter’s first two seasons in the majors, he hit a homer every 62 at bats. Escobar hit a homer every 64 at bats last season.

Jeter has gone on to average a homer every 38 or so at bats in the majors. It is not unreasonable to expect the same from Escobar.

Jeter hit a double or triple every 15.6 at bats as a minor leaguer and Escobar hit a double or triple every 14.6 at bats as a minor leaguer.

Escobar hit more doubles and triples combined per at bat during his rookie year than Jeter did.

I understand there is an age disparity between the two of them that has to be accounted for in comparing their power as minor leaguers and young major leaguers but I think the comparison is pretty telling - especially if you have spent alot of time watching the two of them play as youngsters like I have.

The similarities in their styles of play, baseball intellect, and in their ballplaying abilities is rather frightening to me. Hopefully it continues.

By Tomahawkin

February 20, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Let’s just hope we don’t see the Soriano that gave up all those gopher-balls last year…I only saw a few stretches where he dominated last year and that was over the coarse of the season…

I’m just ready for the games to start

Kotsay will be key too, If we get 135-140 games out of him with around 55-65 rbis then I think we’re gonna be solid, at least in the top 3 in the league in offense behind the Phils/Rockies

By chuckw/deadjournalist

February 20, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

A quick thought on Bennett, from ssscribe’s mention before. Most of us went through the winter thinking that he was out of options. Since he isn’t, I think if he doesn’t win the 5th start job out of spring training, I think it might be best for him to go to Richmond and log some inning so if/when someone in the rotation gets hurts or is ineffective, he could jump right in.

Swing guys can usually only go 5 innings (at most) as an emergency starter, so why not take advantage of that final roster spot with Boyer/Resop (assuming they pitch okay in spring) so you have an extra arm in the pen for regular us.

And if a situation arose where Bennett wasn’t available for an emergency start, I’d assume Charlie Morton will be in Mississippi and on a schedule opposite Bennett/Reyes/etc.

And let us not leave Buddy Carlyle out of the long-man spot in the bullpen. While he doesn’t have the “up-side” of the other starters, he has the experience to be able to understand his role and adjust to irregular usage.

One of the most important things for young starters is to get regular inning and that’s something that is best done in AA or AAA than as the last man on a major league staff.

By TennesseePaul

February 20, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

23. Atlanta Braves
Bobby Cox said this week he believes former Brave Mike Hampton, coming off a one-inning stint in the Mexican baseball league in 2007, can be a front-of-the-rotation starter for this season’s Braves. In a related story, Hillary Clinton pointed to former Minnesota senator Fritz Mondale as a potential running mate in November.
—ESPN Page 2

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN: Francouer hit a couple of absolute BOMBS during BP, easily the most impressive two shots hit by anyone. Most guys were just shaking off rust, hitting balls into the ground or flies that didn’t get to the warning track.

Not Francoeur. He hit one ball that cleared the left-center fence by 25 feet, then an Andruw-like blast that hit the C in Champion more than halfway up the huge scoreboard in left-center. Drew big applause from fans both times.

Should be noted, they were off Chino, not a real pitcher….

Escobar hit a lot of line drives, looked very good. And now that I’ve thought about it more, Jeter’s probably not as strong as Escobar. Jeter’s leaner, a little taller. So I’ll change that line.

Talking to a couple of guys around the cage, Tejada was the only one any of us could think of who’s possibly as physically strong as Escobar.

By REM

February 20, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

DOB — I think you may have been a little conservative on the potential for Escobar this year. If you extrapolate his 319 ABs last year to 600,which would be appropriate for a durable leadoff man, he would theoretically produce 47 doubles and 9 HRs. So, not too much of a stretch to get 45 and 12-15 with last year’s “body”. If you extrapolate his last 179 ABs, that would produce 66 extra base hits. So if one just assumed that the stronger body allowed him to produce at that level all year long, one might expect doubles output AND HRs to go up. Regardless, its all good news and points to Escobar being a potential monster this year. Thanks for the insight.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

And I forgot to add, the pitcher that looked best to me throwing batting practice today? Ohman. Followed closely by Moylan.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

James, answering two of your posts: No, Heyward’s not in big-league camp. Kid’s too young and inexperienced for that (Francoeur was here at a similar age, but that was a contractual thing).

And as far as whether guys packed on more muscle naturally or not, I can only answer for myself. Personally, I made mistakes, errors in judgment, and am embarrassed. I’m a ripped, shredded, snarling 240 pounds, but I don’t feel good about it.

By NorthBeach Scott

February 20, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

From SI.com, The Mets met with RHP Freddy Garcia in Port St. Lucie this morning. They interested in Garcia as a possible depth candidate returning from August shoulder surgery for a possible June/July return. It appears that the Mets experience with Pedro’s successful surgery has them confident that Garcia will return. He is only 31 and one season removed from a 17 win season with WS champion WSox. Interesting investment. He was useless with the Phillies last season.

By Baron

February 20, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Props, David Bowie, on the new song. It seems familiar, somehow.

By Baron

February 20, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

Props, David Bowie, on the new song. It seems familiar, somehow.

By Baron

February 20, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

From the previous blog giving props to David Bowie, on the new song. It seems so familiar, somehow. Now do that same thing to “Lady Stardust” and we’ll be all set.

By NorthBeach Scott

February 20, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Ooops, correction per Baseball Reference.com Freddy Garcia will be 33 in 2008.

By Corny Post Of The Day

February 20, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Let’s call Yunel Escobar “El Torero” because he will be the bullfighter fighting the Sheehan/Sports Illustrated bullsh!t.

By Renegator

February 20, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the updates DOB. Couldn’t get through the work day without them.

By Bryan

February 20, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

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By The Mill Worker

February 20, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

In reference to this:

By 22oz

February 20, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

More power from Escobar sound good. As long as he doesn’t go all Furcal on us. Whenever Furcal would hit a homerun, he would spend the next week swinging for the fences and get mired in a slump, until he realized again what his strength was.

The Mill Worker says: You are the man! You hit the nail right on the head and I only hope to God that all of us are as insightful as you are! Are you available as a sperm donor? I want you to father my children for I am not worthy!!!!

By PutMeInCoach

February 20, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Looks like Yunel watched my new workout tape. 7 Minute Abs…I’m telling you, it really works.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

February 20, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

I have learned not to take the pre-season predictions too seriously. Most are done without benefit of actual first hand information and are phoned in from some hotel on Vegas.

My opinion is the Braves will have a strong team this year but as it is with every other season, a lot depends on key players staying healthy.

That said, I believe this year’s Braves team has a larger margin for error.

By Bay Area Steve

February 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

After seeing Escobar last year, and hearing what DOB and many of the Braves have to say about him, my expectations are rising, hopefully not too high.

I’m a skeptic by nature, and worry that last year’s numbers, and this year’s projections, are too good to be true. What I most like about him is the range he will provide at ss.

DOB, no good music, but there is a very steady beat in my head.

By Davey Johnson

February 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

DAP and sscribe:

kudos to you. Feedback was clear, I agree.

I also feel good about this team more now that DOB tells us about KayJay and Yunel. Francour with his bombs, wow! And it’s not even March yet! Feel good about our hitters.

Flange1:

It’s not that people have ‘we’re doomed’ attittudes, it’s just that people are concerned with our weaknesses,thats all. As fans, we want the best for our team, that’s it. DOB one time mentioned how Royce sometime struggles at the plate, and Resop’s ERA last season was not particularly impressive. You also said it yourself: We need 1 or 2 trades before we start the season. But I don’t agree entirely with that. If a trade equals letting go of more of our talent, then I’d say no. We’ve lost Salty, Elvis Andrus, Joey Devine, just to name a few of many that we lost. I could go on and on if we look back (Mike Schmidt, Adam Wainright, just to name two of them so I don’t get carried away). My point is, if we get a really good reliever then cool, but I would prefer 0 trades for now if it means letting go of Morton or Schreiber. That’s why I agree with DAP and sscribe that we are ok after all bullpenwise.

By Braveheart

February 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Added bulk - Frenchy, Yunel, Brandon Jones

lifted more - KJ

Toned up - McCann

Shed weight - Brayan Pena, Jeff Bennett, Terry Pendleton

And then this quote from U Kno Who as reported by Paul Newberry:

Chipper Jones stood up and jiggled his stomach. He admitted spending a little too much time at McDonald’s during the offseason, putting on about 5 pounds he could do without. Then again, it gave him a chance to take a good-natured shot at a former teammate who struggled to keep his weight down. “This is bordering on Andruw Jones ,” he quipped, looking down at his stomach.

By ssiscribe

February 20, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Chuck: Good point on Bennett having options. Boyer does not, and if he can return to his 2005 form, he certainly would make a strong bullpen that much stronger, especially early in the season when starters aren’t working as deep into games and you may need the bully to pick up an extra few innings.

—30—

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Chuck threw off the mound for the first time today, only 5 minutes, but no problems.

He’s a little behind the other pitchers, and Frank Wren said it’s still too early to tell whether he’ll be able to build up arm strength in spring training to compete for the rotation out of camp.

By T-Bone

February 20, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

I just can’t hide it… I am very excited about the Braves this year. Very much so! A good mix of veterans and young guys, a deep rotation and bullpen. I cannot wait for the season to start! Go Braves.

By Nick

February 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Oh, man, am I ever excited for this season. If everyone stays healthy, this team will be a force. Strong at almost every position, with strong prospects waiting in the wings (seriously, how are we so stacked with prospects? Didn’t we bet the farm on Tex?), and about 10 bullpen guys in camp that could make the team.

As far as the SI article: “After the Braves went for broke last year in trading for Mark Teixeira, it would have been nice to see them sustain that mode into the offseason. Instead, they pared payroll and added only marginal talents, doing little to address the problems that kept them from staying with the Phillies and Mets down the stretch last season. A team with a lineup core of Kelly Johnson/Chipper Jones/Mark Teixeira/Jeff Francoeur/Brian McCann should be able to compete with anyone. That they’re trying to do it with holes at center field, shortstop, and in the bullpen is a shame.”

Yeah, what a weak lineup we have—only 5 potential all-stars! (And of course, I’d count Yunel in that group, too). Ummmm…Who do the Mets have at Catcher? 2nd base? Corner outfield? And in their bullpen after Wagner and Heilman? Joe Smith? Jorge Sosa? The Phils, meanwhil, have Carlos Ruiz (29 years old, 9 career HRs, .260 BA, .738 OPS) at catcher and Pedro Feliz (32 years old, .252 career BA, OPS never above .800 in his career). And I guess they plan on using Tom Gordon as the setup man. So yeah, the Braves clearly have no chance………. Give me a break!

And add to that a chip on their shoulders after a spring hearing crap about utility infielders and the Mets vs Phillies rivalry…I see good things from this team.

By Braveheart

February 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Anyone else hear about Duaner Sanchez shedding 35 pounds? Maybe it was less Taco Bell taxi cab rides in the middle of the night down in Miami or maybe it was, um, um, um, ……

By Andy

February 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

DOB/Everyone-doesn’t it seem that the Braves are sort of being downplayed? I mean, all these writers, especially SI are completely slamming Atlanta. “Yunel’s a utility player. They didn’t make good off-season acquisitions.” Blah blah blah. However, I like what TEX said and what Chipper had been saying in previous years about how everyone overlooks the Braves, and that just to fly under the radar, and prove worth when October comes.

By Charles

February 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

great article DOB.

Hey I got a question for you…

How is Jason Heyward progressing, he seems so promising?

By Epinephrine

February 20, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

I am beginning to believe that Chuck James may well be on his way to the trading block. I have a tough time believing that he is better than either Jair or Jojo, even if his shoulder was in good shape. He has two pitches, and when hitters begin to see his change up, he gives a lot of home runs. Worse still, he hardly ever makes it out of the 5th inning, and puts a strain on our pen.

Frankly, I don’t think Chuck is the kind of guy that is going to put a lot of thoughts into making adjustments. That…straightforward approach works well for some people, and I hope for the best. Still, my money says he isn’t going to be one our 5 starting pitchers this year.

By chuckw/deadjournalist

February 20, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

ssiscribe -

Agreed on the Boyer issue; and I think the same applies to Resop.

Last year, the team was killed by too many 2-4 inning outings by Davies, Redmond, etc., early in the season and that took its toll on the ‘pen.

Final bullpen point (for now at least):

I’m interested to see how Moylan performs this year. He pitched a lot of innings last year for a guy who was out of baseball a few years ago. And I’m sure he’ll work similar innings, if not more, this year with a more advanced role in the bullpen.

My concern is that there aren’t a ton of guys who have a history of pitching 80+ games/80+ innings for three or four years in a row without either getting hurt or becoming ineffective.

There are only so many Paul Quantrill/David Weathers types out there. And a those guys came up as starters.

By Davey Johnson

February 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

And speaking of concerns, and I know we talked about this two blogs ago, but…I have been concerned since months ago about Tex coming back to us for 2009, but after hearing what he said that he’s thinking about now, today, this season, and not thinking about next year or contracts. This is a great attittude to have. It shows how strong-minded and determined he is to help us reach the postseason and beyond (…okay, got carried away with ‘beyond’, but I have high hopes for Tex and his team). So my worries then shifted towards the bullpen. But now I know if our 4-5 starters go deep, and I really hope they do, then our bullpen will be fresh and effective (and consequently Yates will do well). That was my biggest concern.

By flange1

February 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Davey Johnson,

You are correct that the Braves have traded prospects. They have more in their system to choose from.

Remember this is a young team at almost every position except for 3B and starting pitcher.

Ring, Boyer, Resop, Thorman and Pena are all out of options. If they don’t make the team and they aren’t traded, they have to be “slipped” through waivers to stay with the team.

So trades of these guys who are not in the Braves plans for the first part of ‘08 is a must, unless you want to just release them.

ALL TEAMS have weaknesses. I think the bullpen is not one of the Braves weaknesses. I think the bench is the main weakness and that can be fixed quickly.

In terms of trades, the Braves have decent players at EVERY position. Any trade would be to either 1. Improve the Braves at a position 2. Trade for a future player or prospect 3. Dump a guy who will not make the team.

I see the Braves grouping a relief pitcher, maybe 2, a starting pitcher and Thorman, Pena or Prado for an additional bullpen arm or add either Matt Diaz or Brandon Jones and get a stud LF who could help ease the pain if Tex were to leave.

My thoughts…

By Home of the Brave

February 20, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Anyone noticed how fatter Jorge Sosa is…oh wait, he was already fat last year..um…oh! how about Livan Hernandez, anyone noticed how fatter he is…wait, he was fat years ago as well…Bartolo Colon?…ohh nevermind! I give up this getting fatter thing!…

…ohhh wait, almost forgot…PEDRO!! Anyone noticed how much Pedro looks like a fattened turkey now? I don’t see him winning over 7 games next year, lol!

By Nick

February 20, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

* Epinephrine* I agree about Chucky not making the team out of camp, but I don’t think this is the time to trade him. He has a ton of options, let him work it out in AAA for the time being.

chuckw/deadjournalist I see your point, but I thought I remembered talk of Moylan being used as a possible emergency starter, something about his “rubber arm” and the sidearm delivery not putting much stress on him.

By midtownBrave

February 20, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

I liked that kid, Escobar, right after I saw his first swing. He is such a talent and I’m very sure that he will develop into an MVP caliber player. And he’s got a good arm too.

I think the Braves may just win the division this year. The rotation looks good as long as there are no injuries, the bullpen should be solid, the offense is mighty good, and i believe the defense would not see any major set backs now that Andruw’s gone.

So hopefully everyone will come out injury-free after the ST and we can get back to the top.

PS: I read that SI article and thought it was bull. I had a good laugh though. Funny guy this ‘She-hen’.

By JEB

February 20, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

When Escobar was in the minor leagues, the common word concerning him was attitude. Know from some close sources, in the minors, that there was a tremendous amount of disdain for Escobar and his attitude.He behaved himself well last year when called up to the BIGs. But, he was playing for a position and was “the new kid on the block” trying to prove himself. This year, he is guaranteed a spot, and will be one of the regulars. As the year moves forward we will see if the beast went under covers, only to come back out again, or… he really has had a change of heart.

By I'm Chuck James, B$atch!

February 20, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

I’m’na win that spot and period. Enough talk about me not being a starter this year. blah blah blah. the’yre just words and don’t mean scrap.

BTW, can anyone tell me about recent Jurassic 5 records? I’m trying to look for some of each members’ solo stuff. If anyone knows, please let me know. Also, does anyone know which U-God record is the best? Also, what do you think of his 1999 album…forgot its name.

Finally, I’m looking for some old Talib Kweli stuff if anyone knows…

sorry to bother, lol!

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

You’re not going to trade Chuck until he shows teams he’s healthy anyway. That could be later in spring training, but probably not. Doubt they’d get any decent offers until he makes several healthy starts. And again, I haven’t heard from any team that they are even trying to trade him.

Moylan isn’t going to start. Braves have plenty of options, even if Hampton and Chuck weren’t ready. And no reason to believe Hampton won’t be — well, no reason other than his assorted injuries in the past.

OK, there’s reason.

By ssiscribe

February 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Chuck: On Moylan, I too am anxious to see how he fares in the set-up role. That 1.80 ERA last year was tops among relievers who pitched 90 innings, but he really didn’t slide into the set-up role until later in the season.

I don’t think he’ll pitch 90 innings again this season, for a couple of reasons. One, the starting rotation should be better, meaning the bullpen won’t be called upon anywhere near as much in the fourth and fifth innings. Two, the roles down there are a little better defined, meaning Moylan knows he’s the man in the eighth, instead of maybe coming on to get the final out of the sixth, then pitching the seventh.

Check these numbers out: In 19 of his 80 appearances last year, Moylan pitched more than one inning; two innings or more in 15 of those 19. That’s part of the reason the innings piled up for him, especially early in the season. But dude was effective, and the better he pitched, the more key spots he found himself in until eventually he was manning the eighth.

Three, he has Acosta to help with the set-up duties. Four, there’s more depth in the bullpen, meaning if a starter goes five, we may see Yates in the sixth, Acosta in the seventh and Moylan in the eighth, as opposed to Moylan being stretched out for longer stints.

Dude’s numbers were sick last year, indeed, and I’m excited to see that funky sidearm delivery again this year. Hitters hate facing that stuff, especially when the dude on the hill can throw strikes and pitches with confidence, with our favorite Aussie certainly does.

—30—

By ncscoots

February 20, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Nick, that sidearm delivery reduces stress, but doesn’t eliminate it, and 80 appearances is a bunch. But BC used Moylan in a lot of different game situations last year, and you would think that, if his “role” this year is setup, he won’t have to make as many appearances this year. I hope.

And speaking of arm stress, I found no moment more comic than that one in which some Yankee official proclaimed Joe Girardi as the perfect guy to handle, regulate, and “protect” their young pitching. After all, he had all those young pitchers in Florida, didn’t he?

Yeah. He did. And nearly all of them suffered arm problems because he rode ‘em like the last horse in the desert. At least two are rehabbing from surgery, and the rest have yet to really reach their potential. Hughes, Kennedy, and Chamberlain better have their mamas looking out for ‘em, because Girardi sure won’t.

By supa

February 20, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the reports DOB.

I’ve been to Spring Training before, and it’s a total blast. I feel like I’m there with all your blog updates.

By Davey Johnson

February 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Flange1:

I can see where you getting at, but I just wouldn’t give up someone of value as Matt Diaz. I just don’t see it. As much as I HATE platoons, I just wouldn’t get rid of it. And if I was managing the Braves, I would put him every day. Give up Ring or B.Jones, but I don’t see the necessity of having a ‘big’ LF as you say. I’ll take Diaz any day of the week instead of a big $$$ LF. Also, I forgot to say that we also have Damian Moss, why not consider him for more bullpen strength?

Prado and Thormann we just can’t lose. I’m sorry I have high hopes for these two, but what if Infante stays on the 60-day DL? And the same happens to Lillibridge??? Prado could come in handy even though he is a 2B, but could come in handy. If we lose Texeira, then at worst we have a young 1b like Thormann, that’s all I’m saying.

By On_the_Go

February 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

The SI.com article was helpful in reinforcing the underdog mindset that seems to appeal to the stars on our Braves team.

Go Braves!…show ‘em!

By flange1

February 20, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Davey J,

I am not a fan of platoons either. I think we disagree on a few things.

1. I love Diaz as a PH, and platoon player, but I don’t think he is an everyday player. This has been discussed to death over the last few days.
2. Thorman will not make this team. He is too 1 dimensional and letting him hold a roster spot that could be used by another player that can bring more value to he team in 2008 is not a smart move. If Tex leaves in 2009, we can find a better 1B than Thorman. 3.Prado is probably going to be at most a bench player. I hear what you are saying about depth, but I think that is all he will ever be. Yes he had a good year in the minors last year, but he has no place to play on the 2008 team.
3. D Moss MIGHT make the Richmond club as a starter. He is WAY behind JJJ, James, Bennett, JoJo and Morton on the list of potential starters.

My trade suggestion was to use multiple players to IMPROVE a position. In terms of bull pen arms, I am thinking about a guy like B Fuentes from the Rockies. He is a guy who has closed and could take over the 8th inning and let Moylan do what he did last year.

Again, just my thoughts.

By I'm Chuck James, B&atch!

February 20, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

and the new beanie siegl, memphis bleek, old lupe fiasco records, if anyone has opinions about these…

By Steve McP

February 20, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

With Chuck maybe struggling to be completely fit for the start of the season and Glavine and Hampton as LHP’s in the rotation and a possible shortage of LHP in the pen, would it not make sense to put Chuck in the pen to start with, which would cover long relief/spot starter and LHP in pen.

It is of course also possible that Hampton could be in the pen for the first couple of months of the season to ease him in, if so then Chuck might have more than a slight problem in getting out there.

I am still expecting the Braves to have a quasi 6 man rotation and having either Chuck or Hampton in the pen would give good options out of the pen to support the front 5 and give the older arms a break now and then.

By Duke

February 20, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Trading Chucky now would be totally pointless. We would get not much in return and lose a experienced starter. If you’re wanting to trade the man then you hope he gets some good starts in Richmond and some quality starts in Atlanta. Then you would probably add young Mr. Lillibridge to the mix and the Braves might find them a piece that they need down the line. But I doubt either one of them will be traded away this year. I would say pretty good chance in the off season at the winter meetings though.

By Davey Johnson

February 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Flange1:

You misunderstood what I said about Prado and Thorman. All I said about them was that Prado is a handy utility guy, bench guy, OK, WE AGREE, but that could come in handy in the absence of our starting positions guys. All I said about Thorman was that IF the Braves ran out of firstbaseman, and fail to get one, then get him on the team AFTER 2008, (assuming Tex leaves), AT WORST I said.

My God, all I said about Moss was that he could help the BULLPEN, I never said anything about him starting.

I know Diaz is a platoon player, and I know what people said that he shouldn’t play every day. I’ll give up on that thought though.

FINALLY, I don’t think we need to improve ANY position, much less LF, nor any other, but relief pitching is OK, just don’t like the Fuentes idea.

(exhale) I think we either both need literacy classes, or we need to stop skimming over the blog, lol!

By DAP

February 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

are we SURE that moylan is going to be the 8th inning guy?

i think he would make an awesome setup guy, and even a good closer, but ive been thinking, moylan was a great guy to have when you were in a jam. he was great at getting ground balls, and strikeouts. i might let some one else setup, and use moylan as the first guy out if there are runners on in a tight spot.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

February 20, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Question… At what point did Sports Illustrated become the People Magazine of the sports world?

I have not taken anything they have done very seriously in quite a long time now….

Kind of like ESPN of late…..

By Braveheart

February 20, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

DOB, from the looks of things, if you want tons of page hits, say something about Ashley Judd being scantily clad in your next blog. That woman has been the AJC’s most popular story for 3 or 4 days now.

By Duke

February 20, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

I wouldnt mind seeing the six man rotation, but I would rather have a long relief/spot starter in the pen to fill in for smoltz or glavine every 6-7 start. It would be nice having them rested every now and then. A ten day break for those two during the season every 4 weeks would be very nice.

By DAP

February 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

davey johnson you wouldnt give up having diaz in LF, even for jason bay? what about alex rios? how about adam dunn?

i think a slugging LF would be awesome, and i was on this blog pulling for the braves to make just that move this offseason. and im a huge diaz fan. i just think another power bat would make us brutal. can you imagine having adam dunn on this team? it wouldnt even be fair.

By Epinephrine

February 20, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

I wasn’t saying Chuck James was going to be traded now, just that it looks as though that might be the path he is headed down.

Without question, having Smoltz, Hampton, and Glavine penciled in for the starting rotation gives one pause about dealing any experienced starter. You at least want to hold on to Chuck until injury fears could be alleviated. But, at the deadline or in the offseason? That wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

By ncscoots

February 20, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

DOB, if Escobar is ripped, did he put on muscle and weight, or did he just “reorganize”?

No apparent diminished flexibility in these guys with increased upper body strength, is there?

By ContactBuzz

February 20, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

February 20, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

DOB - Great call on the recommendation of the Whigs. Two solid albums. They’ll be pairing with DBT for several shows in March, mostly in the Northeast. Hopefully, they’ll add more dates and play somewhere closer to ATL.

On the way to work this morning, I heard Roger McDowell on 680 and wondered to myself why I don’t hear DOB on the local sports talk shows? Is there any chance of a DOB segment on either of the local sports talk stations?

One other thing. I don’t know how familiar you are with the music scene in London but I’ll be there in late April and am looking for a good Brit Rock bar. Maybe some other blog regulars can help.

By ncscoots

February 20, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Gil, re SI, too true and a damn shame. That mag was brilliant once, with good-to-outstanding writers and often-brilliant columnists.

Braveheart, Ashley’s been one my most popular stories for a lot longer than that!

By chrisklob

February 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Flange, I still do not have any understanding why Matt Diaz shouldn’t be considered an every day player. Dude hits lefties AND righties, hits for power, hits at home and on the road. He’s not great in the field, but his defense dramatically improved last year. What does he have to do to get some love?

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

February 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Dave O’Brien , I read the SI article and just about laughed myself silly.

Whoever wrote the piece obviously made it up spur of the moment without any input whatsoever.

As for Escobar and Lillibridge , I think it’s possible they could be the 3B / SS combination of the future.

I don’t see Chipper slowing down anytime soon , but at the age of 35 and with his injury history , father time is lurking.

Everybody is apparently in camp and healthy , this is a good thing.

As for spring , um , I DON’T THINK SO. Florida and temperatures in the high 70’s , that must be nice.

It’s minus 13 with a wind chill of negative 29 in my neck of the woods. Spring can’t get here fast enough , LOL.

Don’t forget , Braves spring training baseball on ESPN next friday the 29th of February vs. the Dodgers at 1:05 p.m. EST.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Scoots, he’s ripped. Not overly large, though, to where it would affect him in the field or anything. Just a little bigger in the shoulders, forearms, etc….

ContactBuzz, your repeating of posts has given me a contact buzz. Thank you.

But seriously, if 680 station heads were smart, they would, of course, offer me a reasonable sum to do a regular segment, rather than just go on from time to time with Buck and Kincaid or the morning dudes. (dropping hints here).

By Epinephrine

February 20, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

DOB got a shout out from Kincade yesterday

By Davey Johnson

February 20, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

DAP:

OK, that’s true. Heck, Jason Bay (ok, Alexis Rios too) would make us THE team to beat. Adam Dunn…that’s cool, the dude can hit 40+ dingers, but what about $$$??? Let’s say, ok, we get Dunn right now,…will we be able to afford him next year? If we can’t get Tex next year then the answer is no. I’d love to see Dunn with us, hell yeah, but what about his strikeouts? wouldn’t that be an issue as well?? It would be like another Andruw Jones, only he would hit about 20 more homers, but will probably strike out even more times than him…food for thought.

By Murphy

February 20, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

DOB, What is the reaction of the team or Escobar to the SI article?
Thanks!

By chuckw/deadjournalist

February 20, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

ssiscribe -

Great points and great numbers on the innings pitched per appearance for Moylan.

If you look back at the number for the set-up men used the last time the Braves had a dependable closer (‘02 to ‘04), note that most years that meant one or two guys with 70+ appearances and/or innings. Wither that was Remlinger/Hammond/Reitsma/etc.

While there is a big difference between 75 and 90 innings, that’s still a high level of usage.

I guess we’ll see how it all plays out come September.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Just doing some stats for a note on Chuck.

Look at this:

James gave up 32 homers in 161-1/3 innings last season, the highest rate per nine innings (1.68) by any major leaguer who pitched at least 160.

He had a 6.02 ERA and 15 homers allowed in 44-2/3 innings over his final nine starts, with a 15-day disabled list stint for a sore shoulder.

Since moving to the starting rotation on June 25, 2006, he’s allowed 50 homers in 269 innings over 48 starts. No pitcher with at least 150 innings in that period has a higher home-run ratio.

And since Sept. 19, 2006, he is 12-11 with a 4.46 ERA in 33 starts, with 37 homers allowed in 177-2/3 innings. He has 68 walks and 134 strikeouts in that span, and only 12 quality starts in those 33 games.

By Murph

February 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

So Escobar noticably bulked up. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

By ccatl

February 20, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Called up to the majors the beginning of June, Escobar hit .305 with a .345 OBP and .760 OPS in 82 at-bats that month.

OPS is not a statistic I’m familiar with. What does it stand for? What is considered average, very good, etc.?

By McFann

February 20, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

No apparent diminished flexibility in these guys with increased upper body strength, is there? Scoots

Well, B-Day Boy McCann’s flexibility didn’t diminish, anyway.

By Anders

February 20, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Gil

*Question… At what point did Sports Illustrated become the People Magazine of the sports world?

I have not taken anything they have done very seriously in quite a long time now….

Kind of like ESPN of late…..*

Answer: I’ll say right around 2006 for most on here.

By Chuck's Agent

February 20, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

DOB

What’ya say you forget about writing that Chuck story and you and I head down to the Harley dealership to do some shopping?

By DAP

February 20, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Davey Johnson adam dunn will be quite a bit cheaper than teixiera this coming offseason, and he’s a guy i think the braves should consider signing.

adam dunn strikes out alot, and doesnt hit for average, but he makes up for it with his other skills. even though diaz average was 75 points higher than dunn’s, dunn OBP was 18 points higher than diaz’s.

the reason is that diaz is a contact hitter. he hardly ever walks, but he puts the ball in play alot.

dunn is a pure power hitter. strikes our alot, walks a ton (where the high OBP comes from) and hits tons of homers. when dunn hits it, it goes a long way. hes a beast.

so while dunn strikes out twice as frequently as diaz, he evens it out by walking (as good as a single in the grand scheme, right?) and having amazing power. i would love to have the big donkey on the braves next year. how much do ya’ll think he’ll get?

By Joe Bland

February 20, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

OK I’m worried. Esocar is ripped. Frenchy is ripped. Bennett is ripped. You haven’t seen McNamee around there anywhere, have you DOB?

By DAP

February 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

my previous post is dedicated to shaun.

By Anders

February 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Escobar is ripped, Frenchy is ripped and Bennett is ripped.

Glavine should fit right in - the last time I saw him he was getting ripped.

By Nick

February 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

DOB- Just to clarify, I wasn’t saying that Moylan would or should start—just that, based on the fact that he was considered at one point, he is likely capable of handling the workload.

And has been mentioned, he’s probably not the sole 8th inning guy. Acosta (and even Yates) have shown the capability to handle the spot, and there’s also the possibility of Ohman/Ring/Ridgway coming on for the 8th, or at least part of it. And let’s not forget Gonzalez. Remember last year, before he got hurt, striking out Utley and Howard back to back? Once he gets back, the bullpen will be something like: 9th: Soriano/Gonzalez 8th: Gonzo/Moylan 7th: Moylan/Acosta 6th: Yates/Bennett (or whoever the long man ends up being)

And once Gonzo is back, Bobby will have a lot of versatility in how he uses Ohman/Ring/Ridgway.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Joe Bland, didn’t say Bennett was ripped. Just lost a ton of weight. He’s in what you’d probably consider normal shape, in terms of muscularity.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Chuck’s Agent: Now that was funny.

By ncscoots

February 20, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Well, certainly upper-body workouts must have been the theme of the offseason, LOL. It’s a tough balancing act to add enough upper-body strength to matter, and not add so much that it tightens the swing, but all players so far mentioned are still young enough to do that without compromise, I’m guessing. Looks as if we might see the ball jumping off some bats this ST.

What did we bloggers say earlier this month? Players, especially young players, change in the offseason, and preseason projections almost never take that into account.

By Greg in TN

February 20, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Afternoon friends and neighbors…

The buzz increases now that the position players are in the fold. I read Mark Bradley’s article on Chuck James from yesterday reiterating again how Chuck struggled until the rotator cuff tear was found in last fall’s MRI. Chuck was right, it just seemed last season that every pitch in every inning was a labor intensive exercise. I know a lot of eyes are on Hampton and how he progresses in the weeks to come, however I hope Chuck is more comfortable with his release point and how the ball leaves his hand. Confidence is everything, especially when you’re a two-pitch hurler and don’t have a viable third option to get guys out.

Kudos to McFann for the early birthday greeting to her favorite Braves backstop, and I’ll add my birthday greetings to hers. I’m very happy to see that Selig and his minions haven’t completely driven away the youth from the sport with some rather dubious scheduling decisions made by the TV suits starting in the early 90s among other things.

Gang nothing would make me happier to see Yunel smacking lasers to the gaps at the Ted and watching the kid run. Just step in and aim for the image of Warren Spahn or Hank Aaron on the walls in the power alleys and if he hits it over their heads, so much the better. 22oz is right on, as long as he doesn’t drop his back elbow and try to jack everything out of the yard which Furcal was guilty of doing at times during his stint here, we should be in great shape. He’s always thinking on the basepaths, that much is certain and even if he’s not as fast as Reyes or some others around the league, I think he’s already well on the way to becoming a great baserunner according to what I’ve seen so far.

Welcome back chrisklob!

By StingerSplash

February 20, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

I thought that by far the most telling numbers on Escobar — and I thought this before the blog, but I can’t prove it in sort of a grassy knoll kind of way — were his stats after the rest of the league already had a scouting report on him. Dude was consistent from start to finish and that monstrously huge game-winner at Wrigley showed the mental makeup of this kid, too. He ain’t skeered. I have my reservations about some of the 2008 Braves (long in the tooth rotation, center field, even though I’ve always liked Kotsay, and the bullpen is still the bullpen - Carlton, Hubbell, Mathewson and Gossage could be back there and I’d still be worried) but I have no trepidations about Escobar and Johnson up the middle. Zippo.

By Joe Bland

February 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness for that. If I cut down to three doughnuts a day and take the dogs for a looooooong walk, maybe I can join that club.

Of course, compared to me, Bennett is ripped. Keep up the great work DOB.

By The Man

February 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

DOB

-Thanks for the info on James stats. No surprise really. Just more evidence that questions his presence about being a quality starter. I for one hopes another pitcher makes him available for trade bait. Last year fans got enough free baseballs because of him.

By Renegator

February 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

DAP:

You gotta park adjust it…

By Lew

February 20, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

Greetings From The Land of People Dressed as strange Animals and SPF 50-I can only second DOB’s reporting. Spent the day out by the batting cages. Yunel IS ripped. Frenchy hit some shots (saw them from the back side of the trajectory)-kids were having lots of fun gathering souvenirs.

Made my contract offer to Tex-offered him the painting of his choice in addition to the Braves offer. Smiled and said he’d tell Scott Boras-as he signed a Hartman original. Hey-we all do what we can do. He sure as hell wont get that deal sweetener from the Mets or Yankees.

Had a chance to talk to Kelly Johnson. I told him about the blog discussion about him and first base. Y’all it ain’t going to happen. He said himself they would never ask him to move to first. He also said he did not care where in the order he batted. Said it could be anywhere from first through eight and anywhere in between. I also asked him about the end of last season and he admitted he was tired “Yeah, it was a long year”.

High point of my day was a long talk with Bobby Dews. He has commissioned me to do some more artwork for him and a new gallery he is opening. Cool. What a great guy.

By Anders aka Chuck's Agent

February 20, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Thanks DOB.

You know what they say “Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.”

By The Man

February 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Kyle Farnsworth was ripped too. In other words it ain’t all its cracked up to be for pitchers. Especially if they have location problems.

By Duke

February 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Another thought on Chuck DOB, if he does have another rough season with the arm problems. Could they maybe try to work with him as a Ron Mahay type lefty specialist? Thats a pitcher the Braves are always looking for, I know they got Ohman and Ring, but you cant have too many.

By StingerSplash

February 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Anders, et al: I think that depressing and mystifying trend for SI, the Worldwide Follower and the rest started before 2006. That slide down the slippery slope has been going on for a while. Only now has it reached noticeable breakneck speed (or ludicrous speed, for Spaceballs fans).

By ncscoots

February 20, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Lew, you gotta make that offer to the decision-maker: his WIFE :-).

Hey, you know, if mama ain’t happy…

By Lew

February 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

The Man-Not to sure what anyone will offer for James with a partial tear in his rotator cuff. Any attempt to deal him will look and smell somewhat strange to other clubs. Could he even pass the obligatory physical?

By McFann

February 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

Greg in TN

Thanks. Wish I coulda issued my birthday greeting to Mac in person! And Selig can’t drive me away. To be honest, I don’t pay much attention to him ‘cause I don’t think it would be worth the time! I do know that his contract as the commissioner was extended through 2012 or something. Oh well.

Lew

Pretty cool that you got to meet Bobby Dews. My father likes him. And once, during BP, Dews threw a ball our way and Daddy caught it. It’s an “Officially License ML Practice Ball”, too. LOL!

Also, that’s funny about talking to Tex about the painting. No sirry will he get a deal that good from any NY team…EVER!!

By TennesseePaul

February 20, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

What did we bloggers say earlier this month? Players, especially young players, change in the offseason, and preseason projections almost never take that into account.

I recall no such saying. More to the point, I believe it was along the lines of young players never ever change or improve their game. What you see is what you get. Trade ‘em all for aging veterans.

For starters, dump KJ and get Castillo. Dump B. Jones and Diaz and get Alou. Dump McCann and pick up Schneider. Pass on Francoeur and pick up Church. And see if it’s possible to get El Duque for Jair, JoJo and James. That would clearly improve the team and eliminate the question marks. Right? Who’s with me on this? Com’on you’ve seen the projections. That’s the type of team that gets dubbed “the team to beat”.

By Anders aka Chuck's Agent

February 20, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

Stingersplash

I was just having some fun with the SI comment. I agree - the whole world has basically gone Star magazine on us.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Anders-You know what they say about Mets’ fans-They all make an intelligent observation eventually.

No they don’t. I lied. Everyone knows intelligent and Mets fan are oxymorons (or SOME variation of that word)..

By bravefan

February 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

No way the Braves are going to resign Tex next year. We all might as well get used to the idea of seeing him in pinstripes next season. There’s a reason he doesn’t want to talk extension now, it’s because he want to hit the FA market. No way does Boras allow the Braves to resign now, without seeing what the Yankees and maybe Red Sox are willing to give for him. And believe me, both will outbid the Braves. The Yankees have a ton of money coming off the books after this season, and you know that they are going to want to make some noise after not signing Santana. The Braves have no chance, and I mean NO chance of retaining this guy. The Braves are not a big market team. They will continue to let the Phillies and Mets upgrade their teams, while they will continue to sign has been players, or rush up guys from the minors. This is a 3rd place team for many years to come, until they get sold to an owner that cares more about the bottom line. Personally, I’m tired of hearing about it. We should have never given up that much talent for a rent a player that is going to run to the highest bidder in 09. That will most likely be the Yanks.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Scoots-Dude,please do not mention MY name and keeping Mrs. Tex happy in the same sentence. Iam an old Dude and do not run fast anymore.

By N8

February 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

DOB

Thanks for the Chuck numbers in your 3:41 post.

My guess is the same people that want to question why Chuck has to WIN a job this spring, are the same people that were PO’d when we traded Ho-Ram (who’s been a real deal for the Mariners, huh?), for our CLOSER THIS YEAR.

Sometimes people think with their hearts, rather than actually looking at what trend the numbers show.

Now I’ll give the kid credit. He was hurt and it showed. Hell, he probably was hurt longer than he led on, knowing that he was 3rd in line of importance last year.

But it just goes to show, that JUST LIKE Kyle Davies, he’s been below average after busting onto the scene.

I like the kid, but he has hardly done enough to be guaranteed a spot in the rotation (which he seems to understand - which is VERY refreshing to me). That being said, I’ve ALWAYS thought that with his limitations the 3rd time through the order (the numbers support this), that he is better suited to be the long man/spot starter out of the pen.

Whether his arm can take being used every other day is the real question.

THAT being said, I would still like to see if hanging closely to Tom Glavine’s hip this summer, will improve his preperation and knowledge of the opposing hitters. It surely can’t hurt his chances.

I’m not ready to give up on him, as quickly as I was on HoRam and Davies, but that’s just me. Plus, if we actually do have enough depth this year, to not NEED Chuck, all the better. Let Glavine mentor him, and see what it does for him in the future. After all, he’s still pretty cheap.

Worst case scenario (or maybe BEST for Chuck), is he’s traded to help us fill another need, mid-season.

By Braveheart

February 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

some idiot paid richie sexson a ton of money. some idiot will pay adam dunn more money than the braves would be willing to pay.

By Anders

February 20, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Lew

I don’t want to make you nervous but the Yanks are flying Damien Hirst down to Orlando to counter your offer to Tex.

By McFann

February 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Anders—

Also, a broken clock is right twice a day.

Or maybe…a broken 3B man is Wright once in a while…

By ncscoots

February 20, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

TPaul, I stand corrected. HA!

By Lew

February 20, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

McFann-I have actually met Bobby Dews several times over the past six or so years. He has signed artwork for me and He won a Wurlitzer (portrait of Ernest Hemingway) last year-first Wurlitzer for Coaching and Being All Round Indispensible To The Braves. DOB got it to him for us.

It was the Hemingway portrait that impressed him enough to have him want some more artwork (he likes Hemingway like DOB likes Johnny Cash). He even sent an autographed copy of his last book to me (BTW DOB, he feels bad he made you pay for the postage). I’m going to do an illustration from one of his Horror stories for him, as well.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

BraveFan-Glad you know so much about how his brain works. Obviously you have never seen my art work.

By Omar Minaya

February 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

Braveheart

some idiot paid richie sexson a ton of money. some idiot will pay adam dunn more money than the braves would be willing to pay.

I can hear you!

By The Man

February 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Lew- your probably right about teams being concerned about James future at the present time. Good to read about your conversation w/Bobby Dews and your art paintings. I have visited your website in the past and the paintings are excellent.

By Shamus Thacker

February 20, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Just to let Y’all know I’ve been getting drunk, nekkid, and walking on my hands alot lately. Just IN CASE Hampton manages to throw ONE PITCH during the season.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

Anders-I know much about art but never heard of this person. He couldn’t possibly be as good as I am. Besides, Tex knows I’m the guy who took care of the art needs for his songwriters last year. Those pieces were good enough for the Braves’ PR Department.

By Anders

February 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

McFann

*Also, a broken clock is right twice a day.

Or maybe…a broken 3B man is Wright once in a while…*

Not your best work. We’ll chalk it up to all the cupcakes at Chucky Cheeses today with birthday backstop.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

Anders-One thing is certain-We will not have a declining Carlos Del Gado for two more years like the Mets will. Even if Tex DOES sign with the Yankees, we will have at least the $12.5 mil he is making to find someone else. The Mets have to pay Del Gado another $30 something mil before they can ditch his declining self.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

The Man-It is a shame. I really like Chuck James and would like nothing more than to see him successful. Maybe the shoulder will heal enough that he can at least do good relief work. Thanks for the kind words about my art. I have a blast doing it and getting it signed.

By Anders

February 20, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Lew

Check him out. He’s a famous British artist. I like a lot of his stuff. He sold a diamond encrusted skull for $100 mil. “For The Love Of God” Awesome piece. He’s done some famous animal pieces etc.

By Mike S

February 20, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Most amazing thing about Bobby Dews to me was when I attended a game a couple of years ago when he was the bullpen coach. We had seats right along the bullpen and had a great view whenever anyone got up to throw. Smoltzie started that game and when he was warming up in the pen beforehand, it was none other than 65+ year old Bobby Dews catching his 95+ mph heat. Amazing!

What’s Bobby’s official position with the team now anyways?

By StingerSplash

February 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Anders, If it all weren’t so true, it wouldn’t be nearly as scary to think how truly low they have fallen. Hasn’t stopped me from completely reading or watching - not yet at least. Besides, SI’s dismissal of Mr. Escobar is completely mindboggling. Tom Verducci is better than that, if he was the one responsible.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Mike S, he’s a special assistant. He’ll be in uniform in spring training sometimes, and probably at home games like last year, but just before the games, not during. The grind of squatting and catching in the bullpen just got to be too much.

But you’re right: absolutely amazing he did it for so long. Great guy, and if you ever had a chance to meet him, introduce yourself. He loves people.

By Anders

February 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Lew

Or Delgado can hit 25 HR’s and knock in 95 runs per year and he’ll be a bargain at $28 mil over two. Crap - Look at what Andruw got and the Braves ran him out of town. That’s the market. You want the big players - Ya gotta pay. Will Delgado decline further - maybe, maybe not. We’ll all know by the 4th of July.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Anders-I suppose if Tex wants a painting of a fish behind a window he might prefer Hirst’s work to mine, but I’m not sure why. He’s just another of those overblown guys with a modicum of talent that the New York art establishment (not nearly as informed as they think they are) has seen fit to heap praise upon. Much like Hockney the Hack.

I bet you think conceptual art is real art like the New York art scene does-but not much of anyone else. Yes, flipping a light switch and illuminating a blank room is art. Sure it is. Really. And the Emperor just got a new wardrobe. Have you seen it yet?

By Anders

February 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

Something tells me DOB is frantically scrubbing his face after inadvertently kissing a frog on his blog today.

Should someone go check on him?

By McFann

February 20, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

True, Anders, that was pretty lame of me. I apologize, and am a tad bit embarrassed that I posted it.

; )

Lew-

Pretty cool about giving a Wurlitzer to Bobby Dews!!

You wanna know something ironic? My brother just finished reading The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway!

BTW—How did you happen to name the award “Wurlitzer” (if you don’t mind me asking)?

By Anders

February 20, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Lew

Calm down big fella, I’m not knocking your work. I was just having a light moment with you - I thought. You hate the New York art establishment Too. Yikes. How do you feel about the taxis being yellow?

By Joe

February 20, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

David Bowie- that is a terrific song. I love it.

By Ted

February 20, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

When you say ripped this off-season peoples start worrying about steroids - although that doesn’t seem to have been a problem with long term Braves over the years.

Also,is anyone moving into Dodgertown next year? I’m surprised I haven’t seen a lot of regrets about the end of a Spring Training icon.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

Stinger, Verducci has nothing to do with that preview stuff on SI.com. You’re right, he’s too informed to write something like that.

By woogidy

February 20, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

DOB, if you don’t mind some old gospel music, check out Carrie Underwood’s randition of “How Great Thou Art” on her myspace page.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Ted, the Orioles are talking to Dodgertown folks. Don’t know how far along discussions are.

Many writers did end-of-Dodgertown stories last year. But NY Times had a terrific story this past week.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

David Bowie: I love the song. Just now read the lyrics. Forgot to read it this morning. Sorry for the delay. Outstanding.

OK, Crusading Everyman out. Gotta head home, get some food. Gonna try to stay up to watch Shaq’s Phoenix debut tonight, after NC State plays the Heels.

By ole timerbrave

February 20, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

DOB: Can you give your take on the pitchers today and Tex & Chipper’s BP?

By Braveheart

February 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

good lord, we got some art snobbery tonite don’t we?

anders, i was always more of a leroy neiman man myself. here’s one he did of joe dimaggio looking like frenchy in his swing

By john77

February 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Lew

Where can I see your art work.I would like to see.My son has a room full of Braves and I would love to buy something for him.

By Randy S

February 20, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

The Whigs are on TV again tonight. Conan this time.

By ssiscribe

February 20, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Lew: That’s awesome news about doing some work for Dews. I got to meet him three years ago at a book signing. I sat there and talked baseball with him for more than an hour. He was absolutely awesome, such a great gentleman and such a wealth of baseball knowledge.

It was two days after the Super Bowl and honestly, I was tired of football, and tired in general. Talking with Bobby really was awesome; got me energized for baseball season.

And he’s a helluva writer, too. His stories are really good stuff. I got to see him at spring training a few weeks later and told him how much I loved his book. I think I read it three times that year. Some of those stories really grab hold of you.

Man, Lew, you’re early favorite for spring MVP. Wishin’ I was there to see it all with ya!

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Lew

February 20, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

John77-Check out LewHartman.Com

Anders-No, taxis are yellow everywhere-except Vermont where I’m not sure they have taxis-just cows (and Ben and Jerry). Oh yeah-Grace Potter and the Nocturnals, too.

No, I don’t like the New York art Scene-or London’s for that matter. Much of what I do is considered either portraits or illustration and the so called “Fine Artists” have much contempt for those of us who paint book covers or portraits-though we actually KNOW how to draw and they don’t.

I even had the Head of a University Printmaking department look at my work, scratch his MFA degreed head and utter “Hmm. Your work is very illustrational. I feel as though I need text to understand the statement you are making.” I wasn’t making a statement. It was just a cool portrait of Freddy Mercury of the band Queen-a damn good portrait for that matter.

I took art history instead of printmaking and learned a lot about painting. I could tell you more stories of the Mop and Slop or Drip and Dribble crowd, but have way too much contempt for their crap.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

McFann-The Wurlitzer(blog equivalent of the Pulitzer-only we give you something you might actually want), was named by Journalist Jimmy Smith,who has seen fit to not blog here any longer.

David O’Brien won the first Wurlitzer, a portrait of Johnny Cash (on my website). He also has Wurlitzer portraits of Hank Williams,Sr., Young Elvis and Bob Dylan-the only four time winner.

Other winners include Tennessee Paul, SSI SCribe, DAP, Adirondack Dave, Braveheart, Jason In Maine, Flange 1, Savannah Guy, Salty (still have to get him his) and numerous others who I hope will not be offended because I did not name them all. There are about 25 Winners.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

And certainly I can’t not mention the Esteemed and Lovely Ms. Carroll Rogers (who I had the honor of meeting on Monday), who has won the Wurlitzer Award for Timely Blogging in Relief of DOB. She requested (and received)a Christian Laettner portrait-something about going to school where he played his college ball. Some ACC school or other.

By Duke

February 20, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

DOB, did you by chance catch the Georgia game last night against Kentucky? Man what a game and what a competitor Saundiata “Yata” Gaines is. I surely hope he gets a chance somewhere in the NBA. If he keeps this pace up he will get drafted late. He reminds me of Reshad Wright, a great point guard who knows how to lead his team. Be it scoring, passing, rebounding or in Gaines’ case, everything. I remember growing up watching Georgia get to the super 8 against Syracuse and its a great memory, but I wish I didnt have to go that far back to remember the Dogs that deep in the tourney.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

February 20, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

I am not too offended but I am very proud of mine which hangs over my desk.

By TennesseePaul

February 20, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

But it just goes to show, that JUST LIKE Kyle Davies, he’s been below average after busting onto the scene.

That’s a bit Harsh. James has allowed some dingers but still managed to keep his ERA under 5 during that stretch. Kyle Davies since Sept 18th, 2006 (he didn’t start on the 19th because of James).
146 2/3IP 23HR 6.50ERA 79BB and 106Ks.
Davies threw fewer innings, allowed more runs and managed to allow more baserunners than James without the benefit of an injury as any level of an excuse… not that James has used it but it’s there. Davies just flat out stunk. James during that stretch averaged 5 1/3 IP per start. Davies averaged 4 2/3 IP per start.

James has had his rough stretch, but he hasn’t been any where close to as bad as Davies. And he did all that with “only 2 pitches”. Davies had at least 3 and couldn’t manage to do better.
Another way to look at it… James after his first 33 Starts:
188 1/3IP 4.01ERA 154Ks 77BB
James remaining 15 Starts:
80 1/3IP 4.37ERA 56K 23BB 1DL trip.

Davies…. well he sucked.

But even more to the point, and yet another way to look at it… the injury factor.
James was not doing so hot down the stretch last season. He wasn’t on the DL, they kept running him out there and he probably kept asking to go out there. He also upped his bullpen sessions in between putting more work into a troubled arm. Probably not the best thing to do, but whatever. He’s young and still learning the ropes. What does all this mean?
James had a terrible 5 game stretch late last season
5 Games, 25 2/3IP, 9 HR, 7.01ERA.
Why bring it up? Because without that bad 5 game stretch James put up the following line over his career:
243IP, 184K, 92BB, 3.81 ERA
Since Sep 19, 2006 minus that 5 game skid
152IP, 117K, 60BB, 4.03ERA.

I can’t find a single stretch where James didn’t at least have a 2/1 K/BB ratio. His minor league ratio was 4/1. So far he’s started about 1 and 1/2 seasons worth of games in the majors.

At every level he is better than Kyle Davies. HoRam too. And so far Jo Jo Reyes. Just gives up more dingers then desirable.

I get the point though. James isn’t getting the spot in the rotation. That’s Jair’s to lose. Wren hasn’t said specifically, but he also has hinted that he doesn’t see James being ready in time to go North. But I’d hold on to him. Once Hampton leaves and Glavine retires we’ll need him. He’s a league average lefty that can get you double digit wins even with a torn rotator cuff and only 2 pitches.

By David Bowie

February 20, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the tip of the hat, Dave. I was thinking about setting a spring training theme to “Life on Mars” … maybe i will just go back to half-wit posts about music and braves …

By flange1

February 20, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Evening all,

DAP, I agree with you that getting Rios or Dunn or another on those lines would make the Braves hard to beat. If we could get someone and sign them for a couple of years, if Tex leaves, we can regroup.

It would cost more money, but we have more money to spend right?

By Steve McP

February 20, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

So Lew no respect for the Jackson Pollock school, but how do you feel about the guys like Warhol who could paint and draw figuratively and at the same time pushed the boundaries of art out a bit?

I love people like Dali who paint crazy pictures at first sight and then find that the longer you examine them you see new things and shapes and form combine to produce new images.

I agree with you on the Damien Hirst’s of this world and would probably extend that to any entrant in the Turner Prize in the last 20 years.

By McFann

February 20, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

OK, thanks, Lew. I was just curious because I typed the name into our computer’s dictionary and it gave me a pipe organ. Knew that prob’ly didn’t enter into where you got the name from for your wonderful awards, but I just wanted to know.

Planning on starting a drawing of a person…don’t know if it’s a good idea, but I’ll give it a go.

By Braveheart

February 20, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

I am watching the second Godfather right now. The committee chairman at those congressional hearings in the move looks like that Waxman fella

By woogidy

February 20, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

[warming up here] The Human Torch was denied a bank loan. The Human Torch was denied a bank loan.

By TennesseePaul

February 20, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

I typed the name into our computer’s dictionary and it gave me a pipe organ.

Yeah. That was originally the idea. Lew started hand crafting these out of the Vermont forrest and shipping them out but he was going bankrupt just from the shipping costs. He toned it down to his other, more well known and lucrative skill, drawings/paintings/sketches. A skill in which he has few peers.

The pipe organs were cool though.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

SteveMcP-I understand what Warhol was trying to doand yes, he coulddraw. Cam’t stand Pollock or Kandinsky and that group.

Dali and Magritte were always favorites. I lived in St. Pete FL for twelve years and went to the Dali Museum there numerous times.It has most of his great paintings-Persistence of Memory, Electric Toreodor, St. John of the Cross,Lincoln in DaliVision and Columbus Discovering America. Definitely one of my Icons.

By Roman Gal

February 20, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this

I have an old Wurlitzer Organ. It sounds terrible…but it’s really old and unique.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

oldtimerbrave, BP was mostly uneventful today, including Chipper and Tex. I watched them closely, and nothing to report. This is not at all unusual, simply because the first few days, pitchers are so far ahead of the hitters.

Francoeur did nothing against sidearming Moylan or Soriano, but teed off on BP pitches from Chino. Only other guys I really noticed do anything were McCann, who drove a few balls hard the other way, and Javy, who stood out just because he was hitting balls so effortlessly to deep right with his inside-out stroke, not swinging hard, just staying in control.

I tell you guys, I’ll be really surprised if Javy’s not the backup catcher. He looks good behind the plate (relatively) and looks like he can help the Braves off the bench and starting once every five days.

Only pitcher that stood out today, to me, was Ohman, who looked real sharp. Good sink, keeps the ball down, good command.

Other guys are really just sort of getting going now, nobody really aired it out today, but no one could do anything against Moylan.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

Randy S, thanks for the tip. will catch the Whigs, provided I’m still up then. Great band.

Duke, I watched the game last night. I tell you, I’m impressed with Patrick Patterson. Just never thought he’d be this good a player.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

Roman Gal, Lew is like your Wurlitzer organ — he sounds terrible, but really old and unique.

(Lew, she made that too easy for me)

OK, back to this UNC-NC State game. They showed my man, David Thompson, whose soaring play made me a big State fan as a kid growing up in Greenville.

God, what a great player D.T. was.

By TennesseePaul

February 20, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

To me, Pollock’s value comes in more on the mathematical side with the study of factorials. That isn’t any easier on the eyes though. But interesting enough.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

JFR, you asked a couple questions yesterday: Since we were at winter meetings, just from conversations with Braves and Tigers people, I’ve thought Jurrjens would be in the opening day Braves rotation, one way or another. Still do.

Oh, and I just played the new British Sea Power CD on my drive home from the park tonight. If you liked their previous stuff, this is even better. Very strong album.

By ncscoots

February 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

DOB, David Thompson had no peer, he was the king of wow, and I absolutely idolized the guy. At least, when my father (a Clemson alum) wasn’t looking!

BTW, if Moylan actually does come out of camp with an effective changeup, the man will be outlawed. Stone illegal. Deported as a deadly domestic threat.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

For anyone who thought MJ was the best leaper from the state of North Carolina, behold David “Skywalker” Thompson

By McFann

February 20, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

That’s funny about the organ…mean no disrespect to Lew. He doesn’t always sound terrible unless you’re a Mets fan.

Good to read that McCann hit some balls the other way.

Now, DOB, do you know when the Braves single-game tickets go on sale for the regular season?

By Roman Gal

February 20, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

Ouch! Sorry Lew. But…I suppose it’s true.

ncscoots if Moylan actually does come out of camp with an effective changeup, the man will be outlawed. Stone illegal. Deported as a deadly domestic threat.

Funny. I agree.

By Steve McP

February 20, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

10-Paul I didn’t get Pollock, but Kandinski and Mondrian I do enjoy. My mind has always veered towards the mathematical and their works really make me think about the relationship of space and colour and I like the cleanness and clarity that they provided in their works, although I do understand why Lew would not be particularly impressed as their works were so angular and had no forms other than shapes. Good job we all like different things or life would be very boring

By stamper

February 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

DOB - yeah, the new british sea power album is pretty great.

keeping with music… what do you think of Black Kids? What is with those guys that is making them such a hot name right now? They only have 4 known songs, at this moment - from what i know… granted, i love their stuff, but still.

ALSO - i saw the film Gone Baby Gone last night. Great movie… but what i was most impressed by was the Alexi Murdoch song at the closing credits. it had a great soothing/ yet haunting tone to it. not sure the name of it…

oh… Radiohead will be here in just 2 1/2 months, you going? I’ll be seeing here in atlanta as well as Charlotte. woo!

By McFann

February 20, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Lunar Eclipse starts at 8:43, BTW.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

DOB and Roman Gal-Old and Unique is a pretty apt description, actually. Certainly I am not a mundane type person.

As to the old part-My wife asked why I’m taking days off. I told her I needed the rest and that I wasn’t twenty any longer. She said “Honey, you aren’t even fifty any longer.” Truth hurts, but not as much as my left hip.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

SteveMcP-I tend to not care for art that I could do myself and am impressed with work I would have difficulty doing. I can do what Pollack did with my eyes closed. I can do what Mondrian did(though I kind of like Ole Piet’s work.

I tend more towards the Surrealists or the Op artists. I also like the Northern Renaiassance-Jan Van Eyck and Rogier Van Der Weyden much more. I don’t know that I will ever be able to paint as well as Van Eyck did.

I like many of the contemporary Sci Fi /Fantasy painters like Michael Whelan and Frank Frazetta, Donato Giancola, Don Maitz, Janny Wurts, Joe De Vito and Romas Kukalis. If you’re not familiar with them you should check them out. I know most of them, too.

By On_the_Go

February 20, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

McFann…yes a very unique day here near Cocoa Beach FL. Dual sonic booms from the space shuttle Atlantis returning at 9:05am this morning. A full lunar eclipse that peaks at 10pm…and an air force launch of the rocket intended to destroy a dying spy satellite scheduled to launch at 10:30pm in the midst of the launch on a nearly clear night.

Basically 75 miles east of Darkstar.

By flange1

February 20, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

Lew,

You know Whelan and Franzetta? you are now my hero!

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

stamper, what’s the date on radiohead show? surely it’s already sold out, right? if not, i’ll get tix if i’m not on road with braves.

By On_the_Go

February 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

McFann…my bad…no loaunch from here tonight…most of the people I know involved in the launch live here and work at the space center. But the launch is from a Carrier in the Pacific…I know my friends are sick as dogs at sea. Somewhere 4000 miles west of Darkstar.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

on the go: you’re right, crystal clear night here in orlando, watching the eclipse begin now from the patio. very cool.

By stamper

February 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

may 8. i’m pretty sure its sold out. could be wrong.

By McFann

February 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

OntheGo

Yeah, this Lunar Eclipse is pretty awesome. My family and I went to the Kennedy Space Center a few years ago. It was cool…especially the rocket with the bird nest on top!

By Shamus Thacker

February 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

If baseball were mud, I’d waller in it every day…

If Paris Hilton was a carp, I’d…..

Enough poetry; has GlassMan come off the field wincing to this point? Prolly saving his injury for a televised grapefruit game.

You know, when A. Jones was in the minors, I honestly believed he’d be the greatest player ever, the Michael Jordan of baseball. I don’t think I was wrong. He COULD have been.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Speaking of sonic booms, Shaq’s debut pretty entertaining so far. Great intro video at the arena, which they showed on TV. The Big Aristotle, they used to introduce him on the overhead screen. And then Shaq roared on the video. Corny, yet cool.

By Kevin

February 20, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

DOB can you give us any insight on what Bobby says in his speech? I would love to hear that. I’ll bet it really gets the players fired up.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Flange-I know Whelan, but not Frazetta, though I have plans to visit his museum in Stroudsburg, Pa. some day soon. His family runs it, so you never know-maybe you get to meet him, maybe not. He’s 80 now, though and he had some health issues a few years back.

I know most of the rest on the list and know most of the guys who work for TSR who did most of the Dungeons and Dragons paintings like Larry Elmore and Clyde Caldwell and a bunch who painted for Wizards of The Coast on the original Magic The Gathering. Some of them made a fortune doing those stupid cards. I also know a lot of the guys who did all the Star Trek promo material and some from Babylon 5.

By TennesseePaul

February 20, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Scoots: BTW, if Moylan actually does come out of camp with an effective changeup, the man will be outlawed. Stone illegal. Deported as a deadly domestic threat.

If this does occur, I’d agree. And I’d revisit that 8thing inning setup man job they have him in. I’d bet that guy would be a good starter. I’d love to see what he’d do in that role. But I’m fine with him in the pen too. Just can’t go wrong with that guy so far.

By jbutler

February 20, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

DOB…Have to echo your awe of David Thompson..He was something in the day. We had season tixs to the Nuggets and got to see him play while I was growing up. Its a shame how it ended…but in his prime..something else.

By Lew

February 20, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

On The Go- Our place is about an hour west of Cocoa on Hwy 50. I can see all the launches from our driveway-even watched one from Cocoa Pier. Have you ever seen a nighttime shuttle launch? It’s one of the most awesome sights you will ever witness-Incendiary to the extreme.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Kevin, Bradley’s column gives you a little taste of it. It’s on the website now.

It’s pretty straightforward stuff, from what I’m told. It’s more the manner in which he says it, the way the players can sense how much he means it, how important it is to him, that kind of thing.

All about being professionals, representing the team the right way, having fun but doing your job.

By David O'Brien

February 20, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Feeling bad for Carroll, as she watches this Duke-UM game with her Blue Devils trailing by 15 midway through second half….

Four people staying in the house right now, including a Duke grad, a Kentucky grad (Bradley) and a Kansas grad. Needless to say, basketball has been on the living room TV every night, usually more than one game.

By Thrillhouse44

February 20, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Lew, I got the print the other day and it is spectacular! Thanks so much for doing that! I’m going shopping for a frame sometime this weekend.

By Thrillhouse44

February 20, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

DOB, any Kansas fans on the Braves? Who’s the biggest college hoops fan?

By Roman Gal

February 20, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

Man, it was really cloudy here tonight. We went out to the mountain campus watch the eclipse…I’m glad it was a party, otherwise it would’ve sucked.

I’ve never watched an eclipse before. I’m sad.

By TennesseePaul

February 20, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

“I’m not going to sit here and make predictions, but I feel like our team is just as good as the other two teams in our division,” Francoeur said.
—Mark Bowman

Love it. Just predicted at least third place. just as good as the other two teams which two?

By Roman Gal

February 20, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

Did anyone see what Jimmy Rollins said today?

“There isn’t a team in this division or the National League that’s better than us,” Rollins said. “I’m not saying on paper or anything that we’re the best team, but we can play with anybody and that’s the bottom line. In ‘06 and ‘05, the Mets were the best team hands down, but in ‘07, I didn’t feel that way anymore and I don’t feel that way this year.”

By The Mysterious Rhinestone Cowboy

February 20, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

DOB, I figured you’d be sitting in the yard, smoking a cigar, listening to Dark Side of the Moon, and looking up at the Eclipse. Don’t tell me I’m the only one that does this.

By Steve McP

February 20, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

Thanks Lew I will look those guys up. The only “fantasy” artist that I knew was Roger Dean, who did the Yes album covers in the 70’s.

By ColoradoBravesFan

February 21, 2008 12:00 AM | Link to this

Roman Gal, I noticed that also. Hopefully this will add fuel to the Braves fire, and they knock off both the Phils and Mets… and take care of business against all others.

I also saw on ESPN classic tonight the “who’s #1” show. The topic was … what team had the biggest choke job in sports. The Mets amazin collaspe from 2007 wasn’t number 1. I guess only because the show was a rerun from 2005. The Yankees epic choke from 2004 when the Red Sox came back to win the ALCS after trailing 3-0 was #1. It made my day to know that the Mets and Yankees will probably be forever numbers 1 and 2 for the biggest choke/collapse/failure/gag in sports history. God I hate NY fans. I hate the Red Sox too.

GO BRAVOS…

By Roman Gal

February 21, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this

ColoradoBravesFan, I hate NY teams, too. Maybe that’s why I wanted the Patriots to win the Superbowl…hmm…

By BabyGoatEater

February 21, 2008 12:25 AM | Link to this

Since Bennet has options: What about a rotation of

Smoltz Glavine Hudson Jujjens Hampton Chuck (long man / relief)

I have been a Chuck supporter, and still think he will be a good starter, but why not “save” his arm by letting him feel it out with more rest between starts and just stop-gag work for 3-4 innings in between starts..and help our older starters out a bit..like this:

1.Smoltz(Chuck Available for 2-3) 2.Glavine(Chuck Available for 2-3) 3.Hudson 4.Jurjjens 5.Hampton(Chuck Available for 2-3) 6.OFF 7.Smoltz(Chuck Available for 2-3) 8.Glavine 9.Hudson 10.Jurrjens 11.Hampton 12.Chuck 13.Smoltz 14.Glavine 15.Hudson 16.Jurrjens 17.Hampton(Chuck Available for 2-3) 18.Smoltz(Chuck Available for 2-3) 19.Glavine(Chuck Available for 2-3) 20.Hudson 21.Jurrjens ect…..

I know its not in a “best pitcher” order, but I do believe that it would effectively help out Chuck and save Smoltz and Glavine, and Hamptons arms. Let me know how stupid it sounds, lol.

By Metropolitan Man

February 21, 2008 1:07 AM | Link to this

By Braveheart

February 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Added bulk - Frenchy, Yunel, Brandon Jones

lifted more - KJ

Toned up - McCann

Shed weight - Brayan Pena, Jeff Bennett, Terry Pendleton

And then this quote from U Kno Who as reported by Paul Newberry:

Chipper Jones stood up and jiggled his stomach. He admitted spending a little too much time at McDonald’s during the offseason, putting on about 5 pounds he could do without. Then again, it gave him a chance to take a good-natured shot at a former teammate who struggled to keep his weight down. “This is bordering on Andruw Jones ,” he quipped, looking down at his stomach.

Lets see, blogging during offseason. Eating Mickey D’s during the offseason all after two 3rd place finishes. I told you guys he wasnt dedictated to playing a full 162. Thats the Larryyyyyyyy I know. Getting himself ready to play as many minor league games rehabbing as possible.

LETS GO METS AND A WELL CONDITIONED TEAM!!!!!

By Bravesfan79

February 21, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

I love how NOW everyone sees in Escobar what i saw LAST YEAR!! Last spring i was one of the very few people ripping the Braves on this same blog for not putting Escobar on the team coming out of spring training. And that folks is why we didnt win the East last year, NOT pitching! Just HOW many crucial situations in the first half of the season did we have to bat wilson, orr, or woodcrap?? point proven…

Lets hope Smoltz stays healthy this year and we get to see him in another classic game 7 in the playoffs!! Is he still the winningest pitcher in the postseason? or didnt someone pass him last year..?

By Duke

February 21, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this

DOB, Patrick Patterson really is a player isnt he. He makes that mid range shot look so easy and then he also finishes with power. When he post people up he has a really good set of moves to use. Maybe he will somehow break a leg(truly not wishing this on him) and slip in the draft, whenever he does come out. All indications are that he loves school and will probably stay around for a bit. That Radiohead concert isnt sold out yet in Atlanta, i dont think they have posted the tickets yet.

By BayAreaSteve

February 21, 2008 1:30 AM | Link to this

Would someone please edumucate my lazy behind as to why there are two sonic booms when the shuttle lands. And if there are two when departing, if any?

By BayAreaSteve

February 21, 2008 1:41 AM | Link to this

It is extremely frustrating that we cannot get accurate information on the option status for players.

Bennett’s chances of making the team are at least cut in half with options remaining, and may be diminished much more. He will need an outstanding spring to strap on the leotard this April in Atlanta.

And now I hear rumblings that perhaps Blanco has options left. I realize that it’s a complex subject. But those running our Braves certainly know, and it doesn’t seem difficult to make that information available to those of us who care (and blog endlessly all winter as to who will make the squad).

I feel the Thorman situation deserves a footnote here. That was frustrating, but funny as hell. In those cases, ambiguity is acceptable, for this drunkard.

By BayAreaSteve

February 21, 2008 1:50 AM | Link to this

Where’s whiskey?

By nOLIE

February 21, 2008 2:06 AM | Link to this

My trade suggestion was to use multiple players to IMPROVE a position. In terms of bull pen arms, I am thinking about a guy like B Fuentes from the Rockies. He is a guy who has closed and could take over the 8th inning and let Moylan do what he did last year.flange

I don’t think the Braves would even consider paying 5.5 million for a setup pitcher at this point,

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)

February 21, 2008 2:28 AM | Link to this

Minor league options can be confusing , believe me , I know.

Gregor Blanco will have one more option year left after this season.

Bennett is in the same boat.

As for Scott Thorman , his situation last season was a fiasco. He was out of options and should not have been. Unfortunately , a lot of people in the Braves front office got ticked off at me for raking them over the coals for not doing their damn job.

The guys who are out of options and on the bubble : Blaine Boyer , Brayan Pena , Chris Resop and Royce Ring.

Scott Thorman will make the team. Cox will carry two first basemen on the roster , he always does.

Here is what the configuration of the roster will probably look like.

Two catchers.

Two first basemen.

one third baseman , one SS , one second baseman.

Two utility player for 3B , SS and 2B.

Four outfielders.

Twelve pitchers consisting of five starters and a seven man bullpen.

That is what Cox has done in the past. However , it is possible we could see a five man outfield and six pitchers in the bullpen.

By BayAreaSteve

February 21, 2008 2:38 AM | Link to this

Agreed Nolie.

Coach,I suspect Thorman makes the team as well, right or wrong. How do you feel about Bennett’s chances? I seem to recall you are high on him.

And forgive me, but I cannot consider you the absolute source for option information.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)

February 21, 2008 2:52 AM | Link to this

I’m not the source for options info.

However , I do keep up with the blogs and I’m just passing on the facts from Dave O’Brien , Mark Bowman and other Braves blogs.

By BayAreaSteve

February 21, 2008 3:04 AM | Link to this

And I appreciate it Coach. Bennett?

By BayAreaSteve

February 21, 2008 3:11 AM | Link to this

I’ve noticed you refer to DOB as Dave, and have wondered (this should give you some idea of the complexity/responsibility in my life)if he is OK with the shortened version. I believe I’ve seen the byline as David, and am curious as to whether Dave, or DOB is acceptable, to him.

Approaching nonsensical, I know, but this cat on the San Jose Sharks didn’t like being called Doug Murray. He really prefers Douglas, enough to mention it, repeatedly.

Perhaps DOB will clarify.

For the record, regardless of his preference, I will continue to use DOB, as I am lazy…and a drunk.

Where’s whiskey?

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)

February 21, 2008 3:25 AM | Link to this

Jeff Bennett has done nothing except impress everyone so far. The right hander won in Richmond , he pitched well for them in the playoffs. Came to Atlanta and did well in his three starts. Then went to winter ball in Venezuela and dominated. Now Bennett shows up for spring training some fifty pounds lighter. He has already been mentioned as the sixth man/spot starter and has a good shot at winning the fifth slot in the rotation.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)

February 21, 2008 3:29 AM | Link to this

As for the best dunker in the NBA right now ? Dwight Howard is unquestionably top dawg. the following Youtube dunk is just sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3x17ICa4JQ

By David O'Brien

February 21, 2008 6:53 AM | Link to this

BayAreaSteve: I’m good with either name, Doug or Douglas.

By David O'Brien

February 21, 2008 6:59 AM | Link to this

Oh, and BayAreaSteve: Thorman is out of options. What more do you need? Out of options, can’t be sent to minors without going through waivers.

Blanco has options, and is not a candidate to make this team out of spring training (or at any point this season, I would imagine, barring an injury or two).

By David O'Brien

February 21, 2008 7:02 AM | Link to this

MetroMan, for the record, a couple of prominent Braves veterans came to camp with little bellies: Hoss and Tom Glavine. Must be that Mets clubhouse atmosphere that did it to Glavine, who was flat-bellied before he went to New York.

By wiki

February 21, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

MetroMan plays the belly card….that’s a new one.

By Caelus

February 21, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Love the blog David and appreciate the great effort you make in putting it together. Moved back to the Atlanta area from Seattle four years ago and have relinquished my love for the Braves helped by a big push from this blog.

I have also retained my Seattle Mariner loyalties and follow their efforts mainly through the equally great blog produced by Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times. [http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/index.html#016742] Geoff has added on site pictures as well as videos to his blog and has brought home the sounds and feel of Spring Training to homes in the PNW. I request and recommend that you check out what he has done and consider implementing the same features to your Braves blog. I know that Braves fans would love this feature.

Thanks for your consideration.

By Caelus

February 21, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

Try this link: [http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/index.html#016742]

By flange1

February 21, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Morning All,

From last nights posts:

Lew, I love Whelan’s stuff. I collect books and he has done some really cool stuff for some limited edition Stephen King stuff that I have been lucky enough to get. Pretty cool to know the guy!

Coach, your list of the typical Braves roster is accurate! That is how things have been in the past. We will see if that is how things are done this year.

I think B. Pena brings a lot of things to the table that a normal back up doesn’t, so I think this roster has a chance to be a bit different from past years.

Nolie and BAS, Both of you are probably correct that Branves management will not spend and extra 6 million on a relief pitcher or anything else for that matter! I was suggesting the move that I would make if I ran the team. I think the guys that are out of options and don’t make the team will be spun off for little or nothing or released.

From DOB,

From what I have read from DOB’s view of the team so far is: Javy will be the backup catcher, JJJ will be the 5th starter, Hampton looks good so far, Thorman will not make this team, Moylan and Ohman have looked nasty.

Great information so early in the year! Thanks DOB, keep up the great work.

By Caelus

February 21, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Last try, I swear.

[http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/marine rs/index.html#016742]

And I definitely reestablished my love for the Braves not relinquished. Duh….

By David O'Brien

February 21, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Wiki, that was pretty weak/sad on the MetronomeMan’s part, wasn’t it? Hey, he’s just envious of you folks, obviously. Rather razz you about your team than talk to his own ilk about the team he roots for. But it’s all good. It’s a big boat here….

Going down to the clubhouse now. If you’re a hoops fan and you haven’t checked out that David Thompson video clip I posted, you should.

By Bryan

February 21, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Man, i went to the blog for the mariners website and looks at their spring training facility … it looks like some high school …

By Braveheart

February 21, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Jimmy Rollins responded to Carlos Beltran today after arriving in Clearwater. “I guess two things come to mind,” Rollins told reporters, including the Daily News’ Bill Madden. “One, there are four other teams in our division who are going to make sure that doesn’t happen, and two, has anyone ever heard of plagiarism?”

By Anders

February 21, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

DOB

MetroMan, for the record, a couple of prominent Braves veterans came to camp with little bellies: Hoss and Tom Glavine. Must be that Mets clubhouse atmosphere that did it to Glavine, who was flat-bellied before he went to New York.

Wait until you see the bloated ERA Glavine developed in that toxic clubhouse. It’ll make his belly look like a Victoria Secret model’s.

By Anders

February 21, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

braveheart

One, there are four other teams in our division who are going to make sure that doesn’t happen, and two, has anyone ever heard of plagiarism?”

Great line by Rollins! Especially the second part.

By David O'Brien

February 21, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Hey Anders, obsess much?

By Thrillhouse44

February 21, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Anders, I just googled “Mets blogs” for you. Here are the results: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mets%27+blogs&btnG=Google+Search.

Take your time looking over every single one of them.

By Lew

February 21, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

MetroDude-At least Chipper has never injured himself falling off of his treadmill-which Moises has done twice. Best keep him away from any moving surfaces or Endy Chavez will be your starting left fielder all season.

As for bellies-Pedro looks like he put on an extra 35-40 pounds-sure to help those toes of his. Saw him on the tube the other day running his mouth-he looked bloated. How about Del Gado’s gut? Looked pretty sizeable last year-unlike his BA and power totals. Get used to leading the league in DL visits-AGAIN.

By Lew

February 21, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Anders-Comparing Tom Glavine to a Vicky’s Secret model? Dude, I’m not going to go to dinner with you. That’s spooky.

By tourboy

February 21, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Gotta admit that the “look how much bigger Escobar & Frenchy are” makes me wince. And DOB reporting it with no hint of what’s going on in MLB right now, just makes me shake my head. Especially the part about Frenchy working out in a gym with two prospective NFL guys. Sounds too much like another verse to the same old song. Hope everyone is not already burying their heads in the sand.

By Thrillhouse44

February 21, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Lew, I got the print last weekend. Thanks so much. It is truly incredible!

By McFann

February 21, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Sorry you missed the eclipse, Roman Gal. The moon turned red and everything…we had some cloud cover, too, though, but we saw most of it.

By Anders

February 21, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Dob

Hey Anders, obsess much?

You mean about the Mets toxic clubhouse? - oh wait, that’s you.

Lew Got a good laugh from that.

By tourboy

February 21, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Just read the Escobar post a little closer, and maybe the mention of Tejada and the thing about the gym and workout partners in the Frenchy story are DOB’s way of throwing up a flag without being too obvious about it, since he has to deal with these guys on a daily basis. Wonder if Fainaru-Wada has seen these stories?

By Thrillhouse44

February 21, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

tourboy, don’t you think the players realize they are now in the spotlight and that any size gain is going to be scrutinized? With all the publicity surrounding ‘roids and HGH, I would think they’re doing it legitimately.

By Lew

February 21, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

TourBoy-Heads in the sand? No, but have you ever heard of training with weights or a personal trainer? Believe me-I put two inches on my arms in six months just using a 15 pound barbell regularly. Ask DOB about just how ripped The Artist is. Only steroids I ever did were those injected directly into my eye to reduce retinal swelling. That’s OK though. If Congress ever calls me to testify, I’ll take my Opthalmic Surgeon with me.

By Scott Boras

February 21, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

254 Days 14 hours 27 minutes.

By ssiscribe

February 21, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

Man, David Thompson must’ve been one awesome dude to watch. That block of Bill Walton was incredible.

The plagiarism jab from Rollins to Beltran was too funny. Good stuff. You boys in Clearwater and Port St. Lucie just keep on keeping on. I personally like the Braves flying under the radar. The talk is fine and dandy and all that. It’ll play itself out in the 36 games each team has against the other two.

I still think — as we sit here on Feb. 21 — this thing is going to be a helluva race between all three going into the final two weeks of the regular season.

—30—

By Lew

February 21, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Thrillhouse-Glad you like it Dude. There will be many more Wurlitzers available after Spring Training. No telling what might just be awarded. Keep those Award Winning Posts coming. Might just have to have a Wurlitzer blitz to put the Trolls back in their nests real soon. Maybe we’ll take out MetroDude this time.

By Pulp Fiction

February 21, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Potbellies make a man look either oafish, or like a gorilla. But on a woman, a potbelly is very sexy. The rest of you is normal. Normal face, normal legs, normal hips, normal a$$, but with a big, perfectly round potbelly. If I had one, I’d wear a tee-shirt two sizes too small to accentuate it.

By Lew

February 21, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Scott Boras-MLB’s answer to the Mayan Calendar.

By tourboy

February 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

thrillhouse-I certainly hope that they are doing it legit, but hoping it and thinking it are two different things. Lew-Unfortunately I have heard way too much about workouts in gyms with personal trainers in the last couple of years, and those stories not to turn out too well.

By Ted

February 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Dave, Thanks for the link to the Times article. Great Stuff. Ted

By Lew

February 21, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Pulp Fiction-Allow me to introduce you to Anders. He would like to take you to dinner.

By Anders

February 21, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Sscribe

I still think — as we sit here on Feb. 21 — this thing is going to be a helluva race between all three going into the final two weeks of the regular season.

Just so I don’t get washed in with some of the other Mets fans who post here, I’ve said the same thing all along and I agree with you.

I’m not gonna say I don’t like Beltran saying what he did though. More because he’s hardly said a word publicly since he came to NY and now to come out and say that show’s a change in him. The blogmaster on here spent a lot of time late last year and in the off season talking about clubhouse dissension and how the young Latinos had no veteran guidance on the Mets. If that’s true, Beltran taking a leadership role can only help that in my opinion. Perhaps that’s why he did it?

In reality saying “we’re the team to beat” versus guaranteeing a division title isn’t that inflamatory.

By Lew

February 21, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

TourBoy-There is a big difference between bulked up and toned. I have stood within a foot of all of those guys the past week and NO ONE is bulked up like a Canseco, a McGwire or a Giambi. However, they are slimmed down and toned into great shape. They DO test these days. You are aware of what’s been going on, aren’t you? Or do you just obsess over the sensationalism? Francoeur actually may have lost weight in the waist area-Javy, too. Believe me, there is a difference.

To those Trolls who think Chipper is out of shape- Guess again. He’s still no where near being fat. I wish I had been in that kind of shape-ever.

By Anders

February 21, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Lew

Pulp Fiction-Allow me to introduce you to Anders. He would like to take you to dinner.

You obviously had your wheaties today! 2 for 2. I’m still chuckling while typing this.

BTW- I was think more Silence Of The Lambs when I read that post than Pulp Fiction.

By Lew

February 21, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Anders-I’m being good natured today, Dude. Just couldn’t pass that one up.

By ssiscribe

February 21, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Andres: If I’m a Mets fan, I LIKE Beltran saying what he did. I think after the final two weeks of last season, I would want somebody on that team to stand up and display some confidence.

You know, everybody’s going to get worked up when somebody says something. That’s just the nature of a rivalry. At the end of the day, we all realize it’s what happens on the field that will determine who plays on into October and who doesn’t.

I’ve seen your posts saying the same thing I said about it being a great race. It’s going to be fun, and I think while two fan bases are going to be disappointed at the end (because I think the wild card is coming from the West), I do think this thing sets up to be quite a ride for the Braves, Phils and Mets all season long.

—30—

By Pulp Fiction

February 21, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

BTW- I was think more Silence Of The Lambs when I read that post than Pulp Fiction.

Obviously, you have never seen Pulp Fiction then. It’s a pretty popular quote from the movie.

By James

February 21, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

I think Bobby ought to let Molyan rock the sleeveless jersey like Wild Thing from “Major League,” it’d drop his ERA by half a point, at least. Just wanted to throw that out there.

By tourbouy

February 21, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Lew-I haven’t seen them, just read DOB’s reports. Doesn’t sound like toned. I don’t think DOB would be writing and entire article about Frenchy being toned. It sounds like you are the one that isn’t aware of what’s been going on in MLB. Did you read “Game of Shadows”? Did Bonds ever test postive? Did Canseco? Did Giambi? The only ones that are going to get caught are the dumb ones or the ones without the money to pay for the undetectable stuff. Unfortunately there aren’t many without the money.

By DAP

February 21, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

woogidy i saw your post from last night about carrie underwood singing how great thou art and checked it out. love that hymn, and i love carrie. shes amazing. that girl can sang.

oh, yeah…the skeleton ran out of shampoo in the shower….

By Anders

February 21, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Lew

Speaking of testing, did you see what A-Rod said? What a moron. Either he was lying for effect again or he was caught in drug tests earlier and is under more strict testing program now. My god, he plays on a team that had Clemens and Pettitte in front of congress a week ago and A-Rod managed make himself the more negative story. He may be the best player of this generation but he’s also the dumb blond of the MLB. Jeter must chuckle himself to sleep thinking of these things.

By Anders

February 21, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Pulp Fiction

Obviously, you have never seen Pulp Fiction then. It’s a pretty popular quote from the movie.

Guilty as charged. My bad.

By DAP

February 21, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

BayAreaSteve i think we hear two sonic booms because it is traveling more than 2 times the speed of sound when it enters the atmosphere.

also, blanco has never been called up, so i think he has ALL his options left. if there was a debate on this i missed it.

By David O'Brien

February 21, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

New blog is UP

By James

February 21, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

ANDERS, people like you explain the media’s obsession with spin. Why wouldn’t they report on something this insignificant (he may very well have unintentionally exaggerated)? They know there are people like you out there who will eat it up and be ready to tear apart A-Rod. The saddest part about the fallout from the “Steroids Era” of baseball is this kind of baseless blaming of potentially innocent people. Stop the slander, go off what we know to be absolutely true. Innocent until proven guilty y’all!

By James

February 21, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

BTW, Anders, how can you say that he made “himself the more negative story”? Are you kidding me? One comment from one interview with one reporter is more negative than being dragged in front of a congressional committee? If you ask me, you’re the dumb blond.

By flange1

February 21, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Anders,

FINALLY something we agree on! ARod has to be the the biggest PR nightmare of any athlete INCLUDING John Rocker that I know of.

He is like Michael Jackson, ALL publicity is good whether it is good or bad.

He gets himself in more trouble by running his stupid mouth than anyone I have ever seen. Then he reacts like “what did I do?”

Nice!

By DAP

February 21, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

tourboy one thing to keep in mind when guys are getting bigger, is how old they are. if two guys in thier early 20s come back after the winter bigger, thats not as weird as seeing a guy in his mid to late 30s doing it. not nearly as suspicious. i think with everything going on in baseball right now, baseball players are probably making sure to do things the right way.

By David O'Brien

February 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Tourboy, you’ve got issues. You’re seeing what you want to see, because I certainly didn’t intend any red flags.

What, guys can’t work out anymore? Are they supposed to just sit around all winter, get fat so you won’t think they’re on ‘roids. Please. Get over yourself.

By tourboy

February 21, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

DOB, I’m not accusing them of doing anything other than just working out, but this is the same kind of fawning that was done when Bonds came to spring training after his now infamous off season workouts. I hope that these guys are clean and the fact that they are young guys is a good point, but unfortunately the players and their union (with help from MLB) have put themselves in the situation where everything is going to be questioned. You can’t just take these things at face value anymore. Sorry but that’s life in the Roids / HGH era.

By Lew

February 21, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

TourBoy-You’re really grasping at straws. They didn’t test positive BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER TESTED. You really don’t have a clue, do you? I HAVE seen them (and Canseco and Giambi during the juicing times, as well) and all you are doing is playing word games and exercises in semantics. They are NOT bulked up-just strong. There is a difference,but you must actually care about the difference instead of sensationalism.

I guess some people just like to stir the cesspool. Must like the stench. I guess it takes all types.

By tourboy

February 21, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

DOB, Another thing. Going to the extreme trying to make a point like you did about players not working out and getting fat is a sign that you don’t have an argument. Did Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Sandy Koufax, etc, sit around all winter getting fat just because they didn’t workout with a personal trainer? Please. Get over yourself.

By marcus

February 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

I SAID LAST YEAR THAT I REALLY LIKED ESCOBAR,HE REMINDS ME OF A YOUNG DERECK JETER I THINK HE’S GOING TO BE THAT TYPE OF PLAYER.THE QUESTION IS WILL THE BRAVES PAY UP AND KEEP HIM,AND FRANCOUER,McCANN AND THE REST OF THERE YOUNG TALENT WHEN THE TIME COMES.THE BRAVES HAVE BECOME LIKE THE OLD EXPOS A FARM TEAM FOR OTHER CLUBS.THEY KEEP THEM AS LONG AS THEY ARE CHEAP,BUT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO PAY UP THEY LET THEM GO.

By joebrave

February 23, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

tourboy,you are nothing more than an overinflated blowhard Mutts fan,go away little Mutts troll!!!!