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By Utica Club

February 17, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

damn!

By KC

February 17, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

I never really finished my point on Maine…

Again, it was his first full season as a starter, and I think NL hitters figured him out as the year went along.

We’ll see. But neither Maine or Perez could be considered locks to have quality seasons. The Mets don’t really know what to expect from those guys.

By Andy

February 17, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

DOB: Are Chipper and Hampton heading to Daytona today? Because I hear they’re big time NASCAR fans.

By TexasBrave

February 17, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

If Escobar and KJ are going to be mainstays with the Braves, where does that leave Lillibridge? Is he to became a super utility player or perhaps trade bait for a starter that we will need in the future? He is blocked every where else. Even Chipper is at least 5 years away from retirement barring injury. Don’t think we are going to be able to hold him back that long.

By JC FROM UT

February 17, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the report on Kotsay. Good to hear he feels good and no pain. Hopefully it lasts all season.Personally I would like to see Yunel leadoff and KJ hit 5th Texeira may get some walks and with KJ having such good plate discipline he could be a key to keeping a rally going and getting on base in front of McCann and Francouer. Kind of like a second leadoff guy if you will.

By richbrave

February 17, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

METS FANS:

We’re all waiting for your next delusional post. We need the laugh. We will all live longer seeing you stretch the statistics and facts on YOUR club. Remember laughter lengthens life. So lets have it. We need some elixer of life.

By Murphy

February 17, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Nice update DOB, but get some rest! Looks like you needed spell checker today…but it’s all good to get this insider info.
I love Kotsay in the 2-hole instead of KJ, so KJ can protect the Gwinnett guys in the back of the line-up. I think that will make those two that much more lethal if KJ is as patient as he was last year!

By Epinephrine

February 17, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Seriously, Andy?

I like our offense as is, but a break out year from Francoeur, McCann, Kotsay or KJ could make this a very imposing team.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Lew

I posted this just at the end of the previous blog and wanted to be sure you see it:

Apparently all of the national baseball media and experts are delusional except you and your cohorts on here. All I heard from you was how the Mets have no prospects that I was delusional yet they still have one rated higher than any of your vaunted Brave minor leaguers. Then I heard how they have no shot at getting Santana and I was delusional about it yet there he is in orange and blue in Port St. Lucie acquired for more of the prospects you told me the Mets don’t have. Now most experts give the Mets a better than average chance at winning the division and you claim everyone who says so to be delusional. At what point do others on here (including You Know Who) see you for the jaded Met hating Braves fan that you come off as? For someone who unlike myself is held in high regard by DOB and others on this blog a little objectivity would be nice. Even I have said that I expect a 3 team race all year long. I know you’re down in fantasy land there but a little reality would go a long way.

By Patrick

February 17, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Wasn’t Hampton supposed to throw BP today?? And if he did, how did he look….

Thanks

By detroitchris

February 17, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

DOB has chucky worked on his third pitch at all during the offseason or has his injury made that impossible? if not is the plan this spring to establish a third pitch for the small framed lefty?

By Murphy

February 17, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Andy, did you read the blog man? DOB said they were not headed to Daytona??

By Andy

February 17, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

I remember reading in ChopTalk a few years ago that they tried to go every year.

By Murphy

February 17, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Hey Lew, I am sure others on here know this already, but where can I see your artwork?

By Andy

February 17, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Ooops, sorry guys…must have missed that one. I’m a little tired myself.

By Overlord

February 17, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

By AJ February 17, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

Overlord: No, Wright and Reyes aren’t rated #2 and #3 in the NL, but in BOTH leagues…all MLB!!! Don’t believe me? Check out MLB.COM’s top 100 MLB players in the fantasy league 2008 rankings section. The reason is potential improvement. Both are now only 25 and have been starting NL Allstars since they were 23.They haven’t even reached their prime. There is no telling how good they will be…especially David Wright. I think Teixeira is a fine player. But Wright is 3 years younger, much faster (77-11 lifetime SB’s) Higher lifetime average (.311-.286) higher OBP (.388-.371) and very close in slugging % (.533-.539) despite playing his home games in a difficult HR park like Shea. Tex played most of his home games in the HR friendly Rangers Arlington ballpark. You asked “exactly what Wright does better than teixeira?hahaha. Your answer should be interesting”. Well I’d say it’s very interesting…David does just about everything better!!LOL You better start checking your facts before shooting off your mouth! Goche is right about you Overlord…much of what you say IS ridiculous.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

KC

We’ll see. But neither Maine or Perez could be considered locks to have quality seasons. The Mets don’t really know what to expect from those guys.

Are you willing to apply the same logic to Johnson, Escobar, Diaz and Soriano on the Braves? If so, that’s a pretty large black hole of wondering what the Braves will get from some real important positions in 2008. Can’t lock your guys in on potential and gut feel while throwing the other teams guys into the “Who Knows?” bin.

By Mickey Mouse

February 17, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Now playing on the Crusading Everyman’s IPOD:

Mickey, Mickey, you so fine, you so fine, you blow my mind, hey Mickey, hey Mickey.

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Murphy, Hampton threw BP for the second time in three days, and looked just fine. Nothing stood out, other than he’s working on his curveball and, most importantly, he didn’t run off the mound screaming and clutching his arm.

But seriously, he and the other older guys aren’t exactly airing it out this early in camp.

Hampton said he’s working on his curveball, which he hasn’t thrown much in recent years. If you remember him many years ago, he had a great big-bender.

By Overlord

February 17, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

AJ are you sure David is so great?:

Mark Teixeira -vs- David Right 2007:

Games 132————-160

AB 494————-604

BA .306————.325

HR 30————-30

RBI 105————-107

KKK 112————-115

BB 72————-94

SLG .563————-.546

OBP .400————-.416

GDP 7————-14

3B 3————-1

2B 33————-42

I dont see your dominating wright, as you see wright has 110 more AB, but he couldnt hit more HR and only 2 more RBI (ridiculous). He doubled the G into DP stat. TEX had 3 times the amount of triples, he had no SB, ill admit that compared to davids 34 (Ill tip my hat to it).

Please dont forget batting is just half a players game……..

Fielding percentage, i guess ill dont have to say which number belongs to who, it is pretty obvious:

.996 -vs- .954 HUGE DIFFERENCE

As it is known, pitching and DEFENSE win championships. By the way chipper had .971 BIG DIFFERENCE there also.

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

detroitchris, Chuck hasn’t thrown to hitters yet, so I’m not sure what he’s working on. Plan was to hold him back a week or so before putting him in against hitters, easing him back in because he didn’t get to do his normal winter throwing following the shoulder problem.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

At what point do others on here (including You Know Who) see you for the jaded Met hating Braves fan that you come off as? For someone who unlike myself is held in high regard by DOB and others on this blog a little objectivity would be nice. Even I have said that I expect a 3 team race all year long. I know you’re down in fantasy land there but a little reality would go a long way. Anders

Dude…

You get off on Lew for hating the Mets? Dude, like you don’t hate the Braves? I mean, seriously! This is a Braves blog, in case you haven’t noticed. “A little objectivity”? OK, I don’t ever recall Lew saying that the Braves were going to run away with the Division this year.

And yes, Anders, sir, we are all are very proud of you for admitting that this will be a three team race. Actually, I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone here who thinks otherwise.

SHEEEEEESH!!

By Anders

February 17, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

McFann/Jimmy Olsen

Did you read any of Lews posts from the previous blog this morning? That’s what I was responding to. When have I ever said I hate the Braves? I have much respect for Chipper, Smoltz and Cox and have said so in the past. Met fans hate the Yankees. We spar with the Braves [fans].

Maybe DOB can explain the Jimmy Olsen tag to you, he being a reporter and of about the right age to connect the dots.

By Wayne in Utah

February 17, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

BTW, David Wright and Tex are both great players. Why do we get into all the crap about “this guy is better than that guy” stuff?

Also, I would love to have Maine or Perez on our staff. Sure, they are not completely proven yet, and who knows where they will end up in 4-5 years, but who knows if Smoltz will finish this year? That’s why they play the season.

Sure, we are mostly all homers here, and we will think the best of our Braves, and hope the worst for our competition. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. So, if you don’t like it Mets apologist, then you are in the wrong blog. You make some good points at times, but we really don’t care to hear them.

TexasBrave My thought on the Lillibridge situation is that it is ALWAYS good to have extra players and options. I think the whole middle infield will work itself out. Also, what will we do in the outfield in 3-4 years, with Francoeur, BJones, Schafer, CJohnson, Owings, Heyward and Hernandez. Good problem to have….see my point.

Too much worrying going on after just 3 days of spring under our belts.

Patience, my friends.

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

By the way, Bobby Cox raved about DeSalvo today. That’s one to keep an eye on. Funky delivery (hands up high, like Nomo, and high leg kick) and throws hard. Apparently, Yankees never gave him much of a chance, and he’s had control issues. But they say he’s smart and has a very live arm. Might be a project with potential big dividends.

By Wayne in Utah

February 17, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

I hear David Wright has the pole position in the race today. Also, word is that Maine and Perez are both on the second row. (I think Tex might be on the outside, front row??)

By McFann

February 17, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

*Fielding percentage, i guess ill dont have to say which number belongs to who, it is pretty obvious:

.996 -vs- .954 HUGE DIFFERENCE*

Ah, but remember, Overlord, Not wRight won a Gold Glove. LOL!!

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Of course, given DeSalvo’s numbers with the Yankees last season, I can see why they wouldn’t have given him much of a chance: 1-3 in seven games (six starts), 27-2/3 innings, 34 hits, 18 walks, 10 strikeouts. Yikes.

But at Triple-A, he had 102 strikeouts and 56 walks in 113-1/3 innings, with a 9-5 record and 2.70 ERA in 20 starts.

By Robert

February 17, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

“Tom Glavine threw his first bullpen and batting-practice session Saturday. “Looks the same to me,” Cox said of the 41-year-old lefty, back with the Braves after five seasons in New York. “I don’t see any change in Tommy.”

How reassuring.

“By the way, Bobby Cox raved about DeSalvo today”

The boy mustve given him a couple sugar cubes

By Overlord

February 17, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah, just trying to show fellow AJ that Wright aint better than TEX, as you said they are both great. I just made a point that i wouldnt trade TEX for Wright because TEX has great numbers offensively and is better by far defensively than Wright. The only thing that Wright has better is speed. So i dont see how can AJ say Wright is far superior than TEX. Do you agree?

By TexasBrave

February 17, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

DOB - Not that I expect him to make the big club, but have you seen and/or talked to Buddy? Do you think he will be traded by the end of spring or kept for added depth?

He has got a great story and would like to keep him but he is at best eighth on the depth chart.

By Wayne in Utah

February 17, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Robert, nice to see you in mid-year form so early in the spring. Did someone give you a “sugar cube” this morning?

By Robert

February 17, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

“Oh, and Bobby Cox pulled Dale Jr.’s name in the Braves’ Daytona office pool. And then they insisted it wasn’t rigged. “

And neither were the Manager of the Year ballots

I bet the ole Donker hee-hawed up a storm and crapped right there in the clubhouse when he pulled Dale Jr-ey’s name out of the hat

By Anders

February 17, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Of course, given DeSalvo’s numbers with the Yankees last season, I can see why they wouldn’t have given him much of a chance: 1-3 in seven games (six starts), 27-2/3 innings, 34 hits, 18 walks, 10 strikeouts. Yikes.

Now you know why Yankee fans called him “The Salvo”. His pitches went back over his head like rockets.

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Hey, Barnyard Boy, good to have you back. How long do they grant you access to the ward computer?

By TexasBrave

February 17, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

I don’t expect an answer to this question, but is their anyone that Bobby is not high on?

By The Goche (A.J.)

February 17, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Anders,

I among others have said that Escobar and Johnson could have down years (even if they are as good as we think).

There is a lot of reason to think they should be good, especially KJ just because of that approach. But it’s true that we don’t know.

Diaz the only question is can he do it all year (which he may not have to), he’s got two years in a row now with those numbers.

As for Soriano, it’s not like he’s any second year player. The only reason you could question him is his little stretch of homer games last year, which happened to correspond with the time in which we had like 3 starters.

Perez like I believe someone said is the most unsure quantity in baseball this year. Noone has any idea how good or bad he’ll be. He could become a possible ace or could struggle. Look at his 2004 year with the 2.98 ERA compared to his terrible 2005 and 2006 years. The walks are the reason why.

Maine will be somewhere between quite solid and pretty dang good. For his career he looks like he could be anywhere from a #2 to a good #3 type in my opinion. For this year I’d look for somewhere between a 2 and a good 4 in terms of production. If he’s a #2 this year and Pedro stays healthy and Perez is consistent then you’ll be in dang good shape.

If he’s a #4 and Perez puts up a 5.50 ERA and Pedro gets hurt, then we’ll see.

Noone being serious would deny that we’d be happy to have these guys in the mix here, but you’d be silly to say that rotation (with Pedro, Perez and Hernandez) is a sure thing.

Just like we’re silly if we act like you can be guaranteed Escobar will hit .300 and Kelly will hit .290.

Still you can only go with what you have and with what you’ve seen so far and I can see why you’d be happy with your top 5 if they hold up, but you have to agree Escobar and KJ are pretty easy to believe in as well, (especially seeing as they aren’t quite as vital as your starting 5).

By Wayne in Utah (Hee Haw)

February 17, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Good one DOB, how ‘bout “Barnyard Bob”.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Overlord

You weren’t asking me but I agree with you on Wright versus Tex at this point. Toss up.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Robert, PLEEEEEASE don’t start this again. You really are sick.

Wayne, I’d love to have Perez, too…then he wouldn’t be able to beat up on us anymore. And I agree: enough with the “He is better than him” stuff.

(BTW, McCann is better than—sorry. ; ) )

By Alan

February 17, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Great work again, DOB (spell-check be damned, or “darned” if you prefer). Very good early news about Kotsay and Hampton - let’s hope it continues. As for the batting order, I’ve believed since the moment the Braves got him that Kotsay would hit 2nd and I still believe it. KJ and Yunel probably will flip-flop between leadoff and 7th or 8th, depending on whether the opposing pitcher is righty or lefty. Now I have a question: Why are folks comparing Teixeira and Wright? They don’t play the same position. You should be comparing the teams position-by-position. In that case, the Braves win handily at first base and the Mets squeak by at third. Let’s keep going. McCann romps at catcher, KJ wins at second, Reyes wins at short, Alou and Diaz/Jones is a wash, Beltran wins in center, Francouer rolls in right. Final score: Braves win, 4-3 with 1 tie.

By Wayne in Utah (Hee Haw)

February 17, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

But McFann, Baby Huey IS much better than anybody the Mets could throw out there!

Nice to hear that he has redistributed or reorganized his weight, or whatever it was he called it. He will be happy in the long run, for sure.

:-)

By Overlord

February 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Right Anders, I like TEX better because of his defense and i think more power(little more), but then again Wright is #3 not cleanup (to my point of view).

By The Goche (A.J.)

February 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Texas Brave:

One word:

Lerew. LOL.

By Kris in NC

February 17, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Let’s all admit it, AJ is a Mets homer and he will say anything to pump up Reyes and Wright including skew the numbers but when we put up the numbers in the same catagories, they are either equal or better than what Reyes or Wright have. AJ, face it, no matter what “skewed” numbers you put on this blog, our intelligent bloggers will find number of our best hitters, guys like Chipper, Tex, Frenchy, should I go on? Nah, because your lineup consist of Reyes, Wright and Beltran and a few broken down guys like Delgado, Alou and guys who can’t produce worth beans. We have guys who can produce up and down our line up. Take that homer trash somewhere else. You ain’t convincing us, you are trying to convince yourself. We know what we got.

http://forums.tomahawk-talk.com/index/

By masivatack

February 17, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Anders:

By who’s estimation do you have a better minor league prospect than us. Based on Basball Prospectus’ rankings. We have 6 in the top 100, and you have 1. Read ‘em and weep:

BRAVES: 17. Jordan Schafer, of, Braves 36. Jason Heyward, of, Braves 63. Brent Lillibridge, ss, Braves 70. Brandon Jones, of, Braves 83. Gorkys Hernandez, of, Braves 86. Jair Jurrjens, rhp, Braves

METS: 51. Fernando Martinez, of, Mets

If there is one thing that you have no legs to stand on, it would be the quality of our respective organizations talent. While the mets have expensive free agents occupying 80% of their staff, the braves keep churning out top prospects every year. This is why we will stay good and also why the mets will have trouble once their aging core of players needs to be turned over.

Here is a rough list of starters from each organization who is helping their respective teams this year:

BRAVES: 1. J Francoeur - ATL, OF 2. K Johnson - ATL, 2B 3. C Jones - ATL, 3B 4. B McCann - ATL, C 5. Y Escobar - ATL, SS 6. J Smoltz - ATL, RHP 7. T Glavine - ATL, LHP 8. C James - ATL, LHP

METS: 1. D Wright - NYM, 3B 2. J Reyes - NYM, SS

Yep that’s it. So try not to come spouting off information that you don’t know anything about, and why would you ask one of our bloggers for objectivity? Not to put words or anything in your mouth Lew, but as a fan, why would he have any reason to not look through “Braves-Colored” glasses when talking on a BRAVES blog. When it comes to objectivity, or even Mets slanted banter, you have a world of options. Including the “world leader”.

Why come looking for it here?

By john77

February 17, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

I don’t see the big deal in Oliver Perez in 6 years his W-45 and L-53 his ERA is 4.43.The Mets fans thanks he’s a god.I just don’t see that.He had one good year.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Goche

Bottom line is I’m more confident going into this season with Santana, Maine, Perez than I was last year with Glavine, Maine and Perez. And last years trio led the division for all but the last day. Pedro coming back healthy will just bolster that. As for the unproven Braves I mentioned, I think most have good upsides (especially Escobar) but I think they’re asking a lot out of Johnson and Escobar up the middle over a whole season. The focus required over 162 games is incredible at those positions. Especially defensive responsibilities. Takes it’s toll on young guys.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Anders-That’s right-delusional. You actually think because the National Media (read NEW YORK based media-includes ESPN right over the CT line) says it’s so that makes it so? Those people have been wrong more often than people on this blog, I’d be willing to bet.

Yes, The Mets got Santana. Fabulous for you. It was quite a coup (considering the Twins proved to be totally inept in their dealing, when they could have taken the deal the Yankees or Red Sox offered that were better than what they settled for)-I’ve never said differently. However, as KC correctly pointed out, Santana’s numbers last year were not appreciably better than those posted by Smoltz. Other than him, your only major pitching change has been to get Tony Armas,Jr. I saw him pitch numerous times in Montreal. I am underwhelmed-as will you be-yet another injury prone pitcher. Quite appropriate for the BIG BRUISE black and Blue Mets. Could you maybe pickup Tomo Ohka, too?

As for Pedro coming back strong-More power to you and him. He WAS a great pitcher, but certainly not since joining the Mets. He’s been out the better part of two years. I sure wouldn’t count on him as heavily as y’all are. We’ve seen what happened with Mike Hampton. Experience has taught us that returning from surgery is no sure thing. Y’all will learn, too

Now you keep telling me I have no prognostitive powers, but what did I say all last year? I claimed all along your pitching staff would fall apart and they did. From May 26 on to the end of the season, the Mets had a losing record. I sure don’t understand how you can gloss over that fact and in August and September, your staff (minus Glavine) was atrocious. Go look it up. All your pitchers had ERA’s in the high four’s or fives for two full months. It is a fact. Apparently I was right. I just had not accounted for your quick start.You could not maintain it past the first third of the season though,could you? As it was, as KC pointed out also, there was only a two game swing between the Mets and Braves. Not that big a deal.

I wish you luck with Pedro and El Duque. I quite honestly don’t see them holding up. I watched an interview with Pedro the other day and he looks bloated like he had gained about 40 pounds. I’m certain that will help his stamina and keep him free of injuries. Yet I see all the Braves in excellent shape. Let’s see how this goes. I certainly don’t see you being happy come October. The Mets will be true to their history. Another division title around 2026. Isn’t that about their average-one every twenty years?

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Speaking of weight loss and/or gain: Pendleton has dropped 35 pounds — yes, 35 — since last season. Said the first thing he had to do was stop eating late at night.

He might be lighter now than in his ‘91 MVP season with the Braves.

By Overlord

February 17, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Smoltz is not a product of braves farm.

By TexasBrave

February 17, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

The Goche (A.J.) - Asked about Lerew yesterday. DOB said he is still rehabing but is throwing. Will not be ready until July I think he said. No matter, you always hear about the usually suspects and since I can’t be there to see for myself I have to live vicariously through DOB, Lew and others with the privilege of being there to see the action first hand.

I just like to hear about the underdogs. Not that Lerew is an underdog. He could have been one of those in the competition for a starting position if he didn’t have arm/head problems.

By $100 Million Dollar Follies

February 17, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

There have been four $100 million dollar pitchers: Mike Hampton, Kevin Brown, Barry Zito, and ……….. Johan Santana.

Combined record for Hampton, Zito, and Brown in the first 15 years of those $100 million dollar contracts: 136 wins, 106 losses.

Yearly average: 9 wins, 7 losses.

Good luck with Johan, Mets fans.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Oh, I know he’s better Wayne. He is a lot better, though Schnieder’s OK at throwing out base runners.

And yes, it’s sooo nice to hear that he has—ahem—“reorganized” his weight.

By The Goche (A.J.)

February 17, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

The Mets are pretty scary if things work out for them (as I’ve said before).

But I’ll tell you why I am so excited about this year.

For one, unless the Mets just go off, I believe that we are good enough to compete, assuming people on both teams stay healthy and stuff.

I think our rotation is close enough, our lineup is close to as good or better and I think that the bullpens are close.

But what really really excites me is that we are ready for when problems come.

Last year if everyone stayed healthy and all that we were plenty good enough to compete (even as bad as things went we stayed technically in it right near the end).

But this year I think that the Braves are best prepared to handle if things don’t work out.

If Kotsay gets hurt we at least have a legit defensive centerfielder to replace him (though we would likely miss his bat unless Anderson really showed up offensively).

If KJ or Escobar isn’t up to it, we have Lillibridge.

We have several starting pitchers ready if Hampton or James or whoever get hurt. We’ve even got exciting guys like Morton and who knows how soon or long it will take. We’ve even got potential long term projects as back ups to our backups, (guys like DeSalvo). Big change from last year when we lost Hampton and Cormier; we didn’t realize it, but we were already done.

The bullpen actually has some guys in it for us to be excited about not for us to think “Well that could work.”

I mean you can’t back up for if Chipper misses a huge portion of the season or Smoltz. (No team really can. It would take a miracle for the Mets to win if Beltran or Santana somehow missed most of the year.)

But this is so different from last year when we were saying even rightly so This can be enough to win, if this guy holds up but we were thinking Good gracious I hope he holds up or we’re screwed.

This team for the first time the last few years doesn’t have any real holes PLUS we have a legit plan for almost any scenario.

I do believe that our team as it is can compete with the Mets and Phils if all three stay healthy, but I know for a fact that we have the best depth of all three and I see that factoring in.

By Alan

February 17, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Anders, I beg to differ with your 2:04 post about the pressure of a the long season on young players - namely KJ and Escobar. I recall a rookie SS (Troy Tulowitsky) doing OK for the Rockies last year. If you can play, it doesn’t matter how old you are. Besides, KJ has a full year of infield experience under his belt, and Escobar is very talented and mature beyond his years. They’ll be fine this year, but thanks for your concern.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Masivatack

I don’t profess to follow all this minor league ratings stuff as many on here do. That said every list I’ve been pointed to on this blog had Hernandez rated before any Braves, to the suprise and shagrin of most on here. I guess those lists are delusional too? As for having only one on the list you’re talking about - I believe that’s because the Mets just traded 4 of their top prospects for Santana. Not sure if you got that memo. That’s how big market teams operate. The Braves have to hold on to their prospects to replace guys who won’t stay at a discount like Glavine and dare I say Tex? BTW- Who is the last proven top of the line pitcher that the Braves churned out?

By The Thrill Is Gone With Pedro

February 17, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

I love these Mets fans who want to knock Glavine but hope beyond delusional hope that Pedro is gonna be a legit ace once again. At best what you will see from Pedro is what you have seen from Maddux and Glavine the last 5 years and what you have seen from Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling the last 3 years and what you saw from Roger Clemens last season or what you saw from David Cone at 36 years old after he threw that perfect game in 1999.

By Robert

February 17, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

“Robert, nice to see you in mid-year form so early in the spring. Did someone give you a “sugar cube” this morning?”

Nah - just coming to terms with the fact that the Braves have been mathematically eliminated from winning the World Series in 2008

By Wayne in Utah (Hee Haw)

February 17, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Anders, who was the last top of the line pitcher the Mets turned out. We have had this conversation many times. It is much more difficult to develop top of the line pitching, and have them come up and stay with their original teams. Not too many out there that are still with their original team.

So, exactly what is your point?

By Epinephrine

February 17, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Robert is actually the reason that when I read this blog in season, I just Ctrl+F “David O’ Brien” rather than scroll through. It was a nice off season though.

By justdoit

February 17, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

how did the braves wind up getting john smoltz - all i know is he came from detroit?

By Lew

February 17, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Anders-Yunel handling pressure? Dude-the guy escaped from Cuba on a flipping life raft to cruise those 90 miles through stormy, shark infested waters to get to the U.S.. Pressure? I hope like all hell that not you me, nor any other blogger here is EVER faced with that kind of pressure just so we can live in freedom, much less play a game we all love. Reality check time here, my friend.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Anders-No we haven’t produced many top line pitchers in recent years yet we still whipped up on your BIG MARKET a*******e$ for fourteen straight years, didn’t we? All y’all had to show for all your Millions spent was Mo Vaughan and Jeromy Burnitz (even Bobby Bonilla performed well for US). Want to trade?

By detroitchris

February 17, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

DOB, at this point do you believe Boyer to be a front runner for a pen slot or has his stock fallen that much that he really needs to come out and show cox/roger/wren hes back to 05 form and clearly out perform guys like bennett

By Lew

February 17, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Wayne-They turned out Scott Kazmir (literally). Typical Mets’ move, trade a jewel in the rough for garbage. Anders keeps talking about all those “GREAT” prospects they gave up for Santana. Too bad it was all they had left. Maybe they can get Victor Zambrano back.

By The Ghost of Frank Viola

February 17, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

The Mets once acquired the best lefthander in baseball in 1989 from the Minnesota Twins. His name: Frank Viola. His record with the Mets: 38 wins, 32 losses.

In his last year with the Mets in 1991, the Braves and Twins played each other in the World Series. Where were the Mets? On their couch. The Mets never won a division or a World Series with Frank Viola. They won’t with Johan Santana either.

They want Braves fans to sh!t in their pants about Johan, Pedro, Maine, Perez, El Duque when they couldn’t even win a division with Viola, Gooden, Cone, Darling, and El Sid?

Oh, blogger, please.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Wayne

My point is if the Braves don’t want to pay for top flight an ace and they can’t develop one -what is plan “C”?

By masivatack

February 17, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Yes, the mets traded all of those prospects for Santana. I got the memo. That STILL means that they are no longer Mets prospects, right. How many top prospects did we trade for Texiera?

Thats right: 5

Who is the last proven top of the line pitcher that the Braves churned out?

How about Adam Wainwright or Kevin Millwood

Obviously, we have not had a lot of guys with #1 starter consideration over the last 10 years or so, but there aren’t a ton of bonafide #1 starters in the league righ now. There are probably 10 or more teams that don’t have one Ace on their staff. We have 2.

And the stability of our organization is the reason we have kept those great players around for longer than the Metrosexuals.

By fastasballs

February 17, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Season is almost here folks… I can’t wait. There’s nothing like Braves’ baseball.

It’s going to be a three team horse race for the NL East crown. The Braves, Phils & Mets are evenly matched right now IMO. The Mets were trailing until they traded for Santana.

I think following your favorite team’s minor league organizations is just as fun as following the parent club. I followed most all of the current Braves from the low minors & am doing the same with the future Braves. The Braves have a fantastic group of prospects, many flame throwing pitchers in the group.

You can’t build your team year in & year out with high dollar free agents. It will work every now & then, but not consistently. The Braves never did spend like drunken sailors even when they had the money. Home grown talent always made up the core of the team & they traded or signed for needs.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

This is really off the top of my head, but Petey Bird has the same workout routine as Jeff Bennett. He hops up the stairs once a day. Yes, our little bird is a tad on the, shall we say: chubby side.

“Mathematically eliminated from winning the World Series”? Dude, they haven’t even played an exhibition game yet!!

By masivatack

February 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Yeah smoltz spent like a season with both the braves and tigers minor league systems. But was called up to the majors by the braves after a seasons worth of starts for richmond.

By masivatack

February 17, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Sorry got sidetracked, but to finish my thought that most of you prolly already know:

Smoltz was traded by the Tigers to Braves for Doyle Alexander in ‘87.

By The Goche (A.J.)

February 17, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

I know Lerew is there, but he’s not really got a big fan in Cox.

Not that Cox wouldn’t love for him to get better and do well. Just saying he hasn’t exactly endeared himself to Bobby.

And I was joking.

In an unrelated note: Enough with the “$100 Million Dollar Follies.” Johan is neither Zito or Hampton or Brown and he is going to be good. Let’s get over it.

I don’t think we Braves fans really need wish the Mets any luck with Johan.

By N8

February 17, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Alan

Your 1:38 is pretty “on” as far as I’m concerned.

But all things considered, the ONLY reason Wright has the edge over Chipper is concerns of Chipper staying healthy.

If Chipper plays 145 games, he will FAR out “stat” Wright in all categories, other than SB’s. That includes defense, where the voters robbed Chipper of a GG last year (though they are probably closer to equal defensively than either edging out the other).

Let’s not forget to take Beltran’s bad knees (yeah, that’s right…plural). I wouldn’t be shocked if Kotsay plays just as much as Beltran does this year, after reading the new on Beltran’s knee surgery.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Lew

Your 2:46 post is absurd. I wasn’t picturing Escobar and Johnson in full Marine gear diving into fox holes behind the mound dodging enemy fire. I kinda meant normal game day middle of the infield responsibilities like holding runners on cut off assignments etc. All sounds routine to guys like us but game in and game out it takes a toll - that’s all. Now should a great white appear on second base at some point I’m fully confident Escobar will know how to handle the situation. As for your 2:49 post you made most of those bones on the backs of the big three HOF pitchers and I guess to some degree the Mets mgt incompetence back then. I can’t imagine we’ll ever see 3 guys like that on the same team for that long again and the Mets seem to have resolved their incompetence issues (although I’m quite sure you disagree).

By Andy

February 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

DOB:Was Chipper serious when he said in one of the blogs that the Braves are going to wear a Blue Alternate Uniform this year? If they are, sounds awesome!

By fastasballs

February 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Escobar is is probably the most fundamentally sound player on the Braves’ roster so I doubt mental mistakes will a problem. Johnson is the one to worry about, he struggled a lot toward the end of last season, but he had basically played ball for a year straight because of his extra work with Hubbard getting ready to play 2B.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Anders-And my point, which I shouldn’t have to even make to you in clearer language is that Escobar has faced more pressure dealing with life than you or I or any ML ballplayer will ever be called on to deal with on a field of play.

As for KJ-Isn’t learning an entire new position after coming off of missing a full season due to elbow surgery dealing with pressure? Dude, as usual, you’re talking out of your a$$ again and your words smell about the same as verbal farts. Not that I’m surprised. Ignorant Troll. Your scuba gear comment was more than tasteless. It was flat out insulting. Maybe it really is time for you to spend your down time elsewhere.

By Choppinmama

February 17, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Lew: re your 2/16 8pm - thanks!

Re your 2/17 11:30 - excellent points. I’m going to memorize and utilize them whenever appropriate this season. I already knew about Glavine not going on the DL in his career. That should garner an award in it’s own right. The Man of Steel Award perhaps. It is an unprecendented feat for a pitcher of his longevity, is it not?

By Anders

February 17, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

N8

Let’s not forget to take Beltran’s bad knees (yeah, that’s right…plural). I wouldn’t be shocked if Kotsay plays just as much as Beltran does this year, after reading the new on Beltran’s knee surgery.

Beltran had his knees cleaned out, not reconstructive surgery. In his best days Kotsay could not tie Beltrans spikes and now he’s coming back off of back surgery. If you’re looking for an edge here it’s gonna be a long season for ya.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Heres the difference. Pedro Hurt, Beltran hurt and they talk smack because they are healthy. Pedro harps about he cant wait to pitch and he has never been this healthy since, well before the injury. Quiet, reserved Beltran shocked his own team with the “team to beat statement”. So with that said lets check what Hampton says. “I hope to make some starts, I hope my body holds up, ect….Thats doesnt sound like a man confident in his recovery. Beltran cant run at full speed yet but knows he will be a force. All these players have injuries but some cant wait to put them behind them while ohters continue to run up the excuse log!!!

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Andy, yes he was serious. They’re supposedly bringing back the light-blue 1980s uniform top, as an alternate to be worn a time or two I believe. Braves haven’t made announcement yet, though.

The red jerseys are still the Sunday home top.

By Robert (Chipper Is The Best)

February 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Robert, you just won’t give it up will, dude? I will be the first to admit Bobby Cox has his faults. I can honestly say on a weekly basis he makes me want to throw something at the television or radio six to seven times. However, the guy is a great manager and his biggest fault is loyalty to his players, which if that is his biggest fault I can live with it.

I think a bit like Tom Coughlin he has learned to change in his old age. I think he knows that sometimes the “veterans” are worth a crap and it is okay to let the young kids play even if they may fall flat on their face a few times.

The fact is the guy is beloved by many and he has extensive baseball knowledge. Yes, some of his decisions boggle the mind but so do the decisions of great managers like Torre, Francona, Scioscia, Leyland, and LaRussa.

I’ll say this. He has had teams the last two years who in my opinion have underachieved in a way but they were young. A lesser manager would have never been able to keep those kids’ heads up and keep them playing hard. A lesser manager would have had those teams falling flat on their face with 70 win seasons.

Cox is a great manager and you really need to lay off of him. You ranting and raving while it can be funny at times really does begin to get old. Very old!

By Choppinmama

February 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Does anyone know what injury Hubbard suffered in the off-season while hanging around with Andruw and other players at AJ’s home? An errant batted ball perhaps? A slip on the diving board? Malnutrition from getting lost in the Jones compound for a week? He pulled too many G’s after riding with Andruw in one of his fleet of whips?

I saw it referenced in the LA Dodgers link from yesterday.

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

I’m doing a story on McCann right now, just wanted to share this stat with you.

NL RBI leaders since 2006 All-Star break:

1. Ryan Howard 214, 2. Matt Holliday 194, 3. Garrett Atkins 173, 4. Miguel Cabrera 172, 5. Aramis Ramirez 168, 6. Albert Pujols 164, 7. Carlos Beltran 160, 8. Lance Berkman 159, 9. BRIAN McCANN 156, 10. Prince Fielder 154.

By Daybed Wagmoe

February 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

masivatack: “There are probably 10 or more teams that don’t have one Ace on their staff. We have 2.”

I read this comment and, just for kicks, went to mlb.com and looked at the depth charts. Here’s what I found:

Teams with “aces” (and who they are): Braves: Smoltz, Hudson Mets: Santana Phillies: Hamels (I think it’s safe to say that he’s an ace, despite having only 2 full seasons.) Astros: Oswalt Cubs: Zambrano D-Backs: Webb Dodgers: Penny Padres: Peavy Reds: Aaron Harang Blue Jays: Halladay D-Rays: Scott Kazmir Red Sox: Beckett Yankees: Wang Indians: Sabathia Tigers: Verlander Angels: Lackey Mariners: Bedard White Sox: Mark Buehrle

Teams without “aces” (and who their #1 “non-ace” starters are): Marlins: Scott Olsen Nationals: Shawn Hill Brewers: Ben Sheets (sorry, but a 73-74 career record ain’t ace-status) Cardinals: Adam Wainwright Pirates: Tom Gorzelanny Rockies: Jeff Francis (though very good) Giants: Barry Zito (getting ace money, but not pitching like one) Orioles: J. Guthrie Royals: Gil Meche Twins: S. Baker Athletics: Joe Blanton Rangers: Kevin Millwood

That’s 12 non-ace teams by my count…

By Carlos Beltran

February 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

I was going to post something but then like an NLCS Game 7 with the bases loaded and two out against Wainwright, I’m just browsing.

By Mr. Met

February 17, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

this is my first post on a blog, i never even knew about this outlet for fans to discuss and debate over their teams, i have to say reading over metsblog, ajc and beerleaguer is addicting, as a true fan of my team, as any true braves or phillies fan, i stand behind my team no matter what, i’m not a talent scout or pay much attention to the farm system of any team, other than the mets, i don’t enjoy down playing or trash talking, it is not my thing, but i do enjoy the competitve nature that has been brought out this past off season, as the 2008 season is up in the air, i feel this year is truly a pennant race for the nl east, every game is always important, but this year will be very interesting, the mets have a lot to prove from last season, the braves looking to show their dominance over the nl east as before the 2006 season, the phillies are the defending division champs, its a big year that has me very excited, the one thing i will comment on are the frequent comparisons(sp?) of smoltz and santana, santana pitched in the AL,compare apples after he pitches in the NL, Good luck braves, you will need it just as much as the mets and phillies

By Lew

February 17, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Murphy-Sorry I didn’t answer you earlier. I sometimes get so caught up trying to teach the AND IDIOT Met fans manners, I forget to answer real questions. You can find my art at LewHartman.Com after I see Chipper tomorrow, you can see it at the Double Dime Ranch.

BTW-Did all of those I promised and sent prints to receive them yet? I mailed them first class on Wednesday.

By Mr. Met

February 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

this is my first post on a blog, i never even knew about this outlet for fans to discuss and debate over their teams, i have to say reading over metsblog, ajc and beerleaguer is addicting, as a true fan of my team, as any true braves or phillies fan, i stand behind my team no matter what, i’m not a talent scout or pay much attention to the farm system of any team, other than the mets, i don’t enjoy down playing or trash talking, it is not my thing, but i do enjoy the competitve nature that has been brought out this past off season, as the 2008 season is up in the air, i feel this year is truly a pennant race for the nl east, every game is always important, but this year will be very interesting, the mets have a lot to prove from last season, the braves looking to show their dominance over the nl east as before the 2006 season, the phillies are the defending division champs, its a big year that has me very excited, the one thing i will comment on are the frequent comparisons(sp?) of smoltz and santana, santana pitched in the AL,compare apples after he pitches in the NL, Good luck braves, you will need it just as much as the mets and phillies

By N8

February 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

The Goche (A.J.)

I hear what you are saying about us wishing the Mets “good luck” with Johan.

For me, it’s about being sarcastic and trying to find a silver lining in us NOT having Johan on our staff.

I too believe he will be a fine pitcher for the Mets.

But there is a reason that JS literally NEVER went longer than 4 years on contracts for starting pitchers. Even guys like Glavine and Maddux (who when the Braves got him, was far and away more consistently EXCELLENT than even Johan has been), never got 5 or 6 year deals.

From a GM’s standpoint, it’s a risk. Especially at that dollar amount.

Now, that being said, the Mets happen to financially be in the position to take a big hit on that contract if it so happens. Say, after year 3 (or before) he happens to blow out his elbow and miss a season or two.

What would the Mets do then? More than likely eat the contract and buy another Ace. It’s as simple as that.

THAT being said, Johan is what he is when it comes to the post-season. When the chips are on the table (including last year’s stretch run - when the Twins WERE NOT out of the race - when he was more concerned about his contract than helping the Twins win), he’s been mediocre AT BEST.

I will LAUGH MY AZZ OFF, if Johan wins the Cy Young, leading the Mets to the division title, and proceeds to do what he does (the track record proves it) when the playoffs start.

Guys like Smoltz, David Cone, Jack Morris, Schilling, Livian Hernandez and even the “B-12 Enhanced” Roger Clemens STEP UP THEIR GAMES and carry teams on their back in the post-season.

Some guys like Hudson, Zito, Mulder, even Glavine and Maddux have long track records of dominating against opponents in the regular season and then simply being mortal pitchers in the playoffs.

Johan is RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE of that group of pitchers.

While not horrible, in the playoffs, he hasn’t been nearly as “clutch” come playoff time.

The Mets fans are acting like they just signed a guy that has led his previous teams to 2 or 3 WS titles, while winning the MVP in those series. I have NO DOUBTS that he will help the Mets win a ton of games in the regular season, which means we have our work cut out for us (as do the Phillies).

But 9999 times out of 10,000….I would take John Smoltz in Game 7 of the WS over Johan Santana. EVEN RIGHT NOW!

And if you polled Mets fans, I’m willing to bet that they would as well. Whether they would admit that on a Braves blog is up for debate. :-)

As for the impact of the upcoming season. I’ve said it a few times already, and I’ll say it again.

Barring injury, if Glavine and Johan both repeat what they did last year over 162 games and 34-35 starts each, Glavine will have more of an impact on our rotation than Johan will have on the Mets rotation.

As for “other players” factoring it? There is just as much chance of Pedro getting hurt again, and having ZERO impact, as there is for Hampton. In their prime, I’d take Pedro over Hampton any day of the week (who wouldn’t?), but NEITHER of them are in their prime anymore.

Hampton hasn’t pitched in 2.5 years, and Pedro has been a shell of himself since going to NY.

If EITHER team is relying heavily on either of those two to make an impact, they’re both in trouble.

We have added a TON of depth (I’ll admit that some of the “depth” are unproven - but it’s depth none the less), what do the Mets have to fall back on, if say Pedro goes down, and Perez isn’t worth a lick this year?

Over 162 games, I think our rotation VERY MUCH SO holds up to theirs.

Pretty soon, we’ll all get to find out, and argue about the results, rather than predicting them. LOL!

By Maverick

February 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Pedro harps about he cant wait to pitch and he has never been this healthy since, well before the injury.

As Maverick was told in Top Gun, Pedro, your ego is writing checks your body can’t cash.

By PatioDaddio

February 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Can anyone name the token American born players on the Caribbean Mets roster?

By Lew

February 17, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Metro Dude-The only difference is that we are not counting on Hampton’s effectiveness and have options if he can’t go . On the other hand,what are your options when Beltran and Pedro go down to their inevitable injuries? Marlon Anderson and Tony Armas, Jr.? Oh wait. Armas is already in the rotation. You have no options.

By Gibby

February 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Lifelong braves fan who is just starting to read the blogs. I am loving todays focus on the minors. One name to remember is Julio Teheran. Young kid with wicked stuff. Long way from the majors though. But has a chance to be the ACE some people are looking for us to develope.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Lew

As I tried to make clear to you there are different types of pressures. Fighting his way over to the US on raft doesn’t mean he can handle the day to day stress of playing MLB. I applaud his perseverance to get here and as a matter of fact El Duque is said to have endured the same type of journey, yet he is known for always wanting a break of sorts in midseason to rejuvenate. Not saying Escobar will want a break I’m just saying apparently in El Duque’s case one had nothing to do with the other. Sorry but your analogy is wrong. Being someone who follows baseball so closely surely you must repeatedly hear as I do the first part of becoming an everyday MLB player is learning to play everyday for a whole season. It is very difficult. Why do you always ask those that don’t agree with you to leave?

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Glavine should have been DL in 06 when he missed starts down the stretch for the METS. Because he was a vet and he they let him take days off instead of DL him. It was difficult to DL a future HOF but he didnt want DL time, he was too proud and it looked good on is record that he has never been on the DL. However he had as blood clot in his arm and needed baby asprin to thin it out while all the time missing starts. He may not have been on the DL but he is no MAN OF STEEL!!! Just too proud to be put on the DL at this juncture in his career. Its hard to negotiate contracts when you had DL in 06’ on paper. Could effect his payday in the longrun. Beware of Glavine in 06, buyers beware tag should have been placed on him!!!

By The Douche

February 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

this is my first post on a blog, i never even knew about this outlet for fans to discuss and debate over their teams,

What are you Robert DeNiro in Awakenings?

Wait until you find out about cell phones, DVDs, and night games. Even Wrigley has night games now.

By PatioDaddio

February 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Metropolitan Man because you say it that does not make it so. Point to a link that affirms what you say about Glavine. You seem to put words in alot of mouths.

By N8

February 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Anders

I wasn’t looking for an “edge”.

All I was saying is that, I wouldn’t be surprised if they played in about the same amount of games. If that is the case, of course Beltran will have superior numbers.

But after all, Beltran is making 13.5 million this year, and Kotsay only 8 million.

So one could “assume” that if Kotay ends up with around 80 RBI (not out of line if healthy), Beltran will have about 135, right??? :-)

It’s all about dollar per dollar value, my man.

I was merely wondering who the hell plays CF for you when (yeah, that’s right WHEN not if) Beltran misses some time this year?

BTW…did you see that McCann only has 4 less RBI (160 to 156)since the 2006 all-star break??

You wanna know how much Brian is costing us this year????? A whopping $667,000!!

I guess it might turn out that you guys have the best lineup and rotation MONEY can buy. And at the end of the year, we’ll probably be right there with you guys with the best roster that good scouts, and minor league instructors can draft and develop.

Some people buy underwear at The Gap or Macy’s. Some people buy it at Wal-Mart. But at the end of the day if you don’t wipe properly, neither pair will be resistant to skid marks.

By The Douche

February 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Being someone who follows baseball so closely surely you must repeatedly hear as I do the first part of becoming an everyday MLB player is learning to play everyday for a whole season. It is very difficult.

No. I don’t often hear this often. But I understand your sensitivity since Jose Reyes took the whole second half off. And then you have all those old timers who took September off. What’s the deal with that?

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

You need optins LEW, but the junk you are touting arent viable options. That junk you guys call deapth is a pipe dream. You will be lucky if 1 of your “deapth ” guys crack the minor league rotation let alone the MLB ranks. Beltran has playerd hurt and porduced, Pedro cant. The METs have proven to win without Pedro. The braves have come in 3rd 2 years in a row without a Hampton. You tell me who is more vital to the team competing???

Daybed Wagmoe: Here is something for your ACES thoughts!!!!

And that’s what every team dreams about: an ace around whom to build your season, every fifth day. An ace to throw 200 innings, and collect 230 strikeouts, and pile up 20 wins. Mets fans with some mileage on their tires know what that’s like. They remember the prime of Tom Seaver. They remember the fleeting glory of the young Dwight Gooden. Two aces in 45 years. Believe it or not, that’s not a terrible ratio. You could argue that the Yankees have had just as many - Whitey Ford and Ron Guidry - in that time.

Answer: Josh Beckett. Roy Halladay. Justin Verlander. Jake Peavy. Johan Santana. That’s five, with Cole Hamels, Brandon Webb and C.C. Sabathia sitting on the fence. Include them if you want. That’s eight.

That’s an exclusive club. Every team has bats. Even the poorest team can throw out a player or two good enough to pile up offense. The worst team in baseball last year was the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Six of their regulars hit .282 or higher. It’s no mean trick scoring runs.

Preventing them, that’s the hard part.

Aces prevent them. Every fifth day, you wake up knowing you have a hell of a chance to win that night, no matter if you keep your bats in a refrigerator or a bat rack. It’s why the Yankees are torturing themselves about the Joba Question, wondering if it’s more valuable to have an army like that in the bullpen or the rotation.

Closers are exceptional. But aces are extraordinary. They come along a couple of times a lifetime.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

February 17, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

I have been reading all the trash talking between the Braves and Mets fans. Although I am a Big Braves Fan , I have some bad news for you Mets folks.

It’s really simple , the Braves have eight viable starting pitchers.

Smoltz , Hudson , Glavine , Hampton , James , Bennett , Jurrjens and Reyes. Not to mention Morton , Carlyle and Boyer.

The Mets have five. Do the math. It’s a 162 game marathon.

Santana , Pedro , Maine , El Duque and Perez.

Mike Pelfrey has done nothing as of yet , Jorge Sosa is cannon fodder , Phil Humber was traded and the Mets have no starting pitching depth to speak of.

The Braves can withstand the injury bug , the Mets cannot.

Better yet , ask yourself this very important question. Why do the Mets have 12 non-roster pitchers in spring training camp ?

I don’t know what the so called EXPERTS are smoking , because my common sense tells me the Braves are way ahead in the pitching department.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

By PatioDaddio

February 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Can anyone name the token American born players on the Caribbean Mets roster?

Yes, Moises Alou was born in GA!!! Hows that for Irony.

By The Douche

February 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Looks like NASCAR this year is going to be a battle between the Hendricks and Gibbs boy. Gibbs has his linebackers Stewart and Hamlin and his kamikaze free safety Kyle Busch and Hendricks has the glamour boys Earnhardt, Johnson, and Gordon.

People say there is competitive imbalance in baseball but NASCAR ain’t any better in that regard. But baseball needs the Red Sox and Yankees to be good like NASCAR needs Hendricks and Gibbs to be good.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

DOB—

You’re doing a story on McCann? Yeah!! Saweet!!

By McFann

February 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

(Sorry for two posts in a row.)

McCann has more RBIs since the ‘06 All-Star Break than any Braves player? Sweet dreams!!

By Anders

February 17, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

N8

*But 9999 times out of 10,000….I would take John Smoltz in Game 7 of the WS over Johan Santana. EVEN RIGHT NOW!

And if you polled Mets fans, I’m willing to bet that they would as well. Whether they would admit that on a Braves blog is up for debate. :-)*

I’ll say it right now based on history. I’d take John Smoltz in game 7 over Santana. Based on one game today in a game 7 environment that’s a no brainer. I put Smoltz and Jack Morris in that situation 1 and 1a flip them whichever way you want.

By N8

February 17, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Metropolitan Man

Are you REALLY giving Braves fans a lecture on what constitutes an “ACE”????

If you recall, we had almost a decade having 3 of them pitch every time through the rotation. There was a few seasons of having 4 of them.

Hell!! In 1998 we had FIVE FRICKIN’ ACES in our rotation. Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Neagle and Millwood ALL had 17 wins. ANY one of those guys could have and would have been the ACE of any other staff that didn’t have Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown or Pedro Martinez on it. Period.

Their combined numbers were 157 starts between them, with an 88-37 record (average record of 17-7 for each of them), they combined to go 1032 innings, while allowing only 341 runs (2.97 ERA).

So. Maybe you should go blog on the Devil Rays board if you’re in the mood to try and explain what an ACE is. LOL! Believe me. We know.

By Gibby

February 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

DOB I read where Francoeur has bulked up. He isn’t too big now?

By The Douche

February 17, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

So. Maybe you should go blog on the Devil Rays board if you’re in the mood to try and explain what an ACE is.

No. Metrosexual Man won’t go on a Rays blog and explain what an ace is. The Rays fans will say we know what an ace is and thanks for trading him to us.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

N8, that was no lecture. Just an excerpt from an article.

Daybed Wagmoe was talking about ACES and I thought that was apprropriate to post for HIS/HER benefit.
Everyone is well aware of the ACES the braves had had over the years. The only problem is just that with ACES being so hard to have, its a shame to win only 1 WS when you have multiple ACES year after year, dont ya think????

By Gibby

February 17, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

N8 you mentioned the players your traded to get Santana as Top Prospects. That would be a reach. That is why you guys have stolen Santana from the Twins. Few of them were top prospects. Only Gomez and Guerra rank on any top 100 list I have seen. That gives you 3 to our 6. That counts Baseball Prospectus, Espn and CBSsportsline. I can’t wait for Baseball America to come out with their top 100

By N8

February 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Anders

I figured even you would agree about the Smoltz vs. Johan in a one game “do or die” scenario.

That being said I’d take Johan in our rotation in a heart beat for the regular season over anybody we already have, except for a healthy John Smoltz.

I live in the Twins region, and have had the privilege of being able to tune in to all of Johan’s starts (I tried not to miss many of them, being a fan of pitching following the Braves for so long), and when in a groove there is nobody better. It’s that simple.

But for as amazing as he’s been in the regular season, teams seem to have his number (just like teams did for Maddux), in the playoffs.

In 1993 Maddux won the Cy Young in his first season as a Brave. Then proceeded to go 1-1 with a 4.97 ERA against the Phillies in the NLCS (pre-wild card).

I would have LOVED to see what Maddux would have done in the 94 post-season had there been one. Of course the Braves were 6 games back when the strike hit, but…

But the reason for wishing for that is how frickin’ “ON” he was in 1994 and 1995. In those two strike shortened years Maddux had 53 starts , going 35-8, pitching 411 innings, and allowing only 73 runs (1.59 ERA).

Of course in the 1995 post-season (the only WS the Braves won), Maddux made 5 starts, going 3-1, pitching 38 innings and allowing 12 ER (3 of which were in Game 1 of the NLDS in Coors Field) for a 2.84 ERA. By far his finest post-season as a Brave (he had better ERA’s in 96 vs. the Yankees and in 97 vs. the Marlins), but his bread and butter was going deep into games and carrying the staff on his back, which he couldn’t do in those post-seasons (the bullpen blew some of those games).

Anyhow, it would have been nice to let a guy that arguably had two of the greatest back to back seasons pitch in the post-season during the time he was so dominant. Oh well.

By Wayne in Utah (Hee Haw)

February 17, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

Anders

It’s called “make a trade” Hudson or it’s called “keep your ace”: Smoltz.

We have two aces (maybe TG is a third). You have two aces if they are healthy.

The Braves when not able to develop their own pitching, will trade for pitching.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

The Rays got over on the METS and the have just started to recover completely from that. But its ok when you look at how we got Maine and El Duque. Jorge Julio and Maine came for Benson. Julio went to Arizona for Elduque. The METS get burned and they reap rewards, the double edge sword of trades.

And based on Smoltz post season success its a no brainer. Of course you pick Smoltz to start until whoever you comapere him to can pitch like that in the greatest of pressure situations. Smoltz has been there and done that and has the record, he is the 1 brave player thats hard to find negative stuff to write about except for the fact that he plays for the braves.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

N8

I can’t argue $’s with you. In that area the Mets compete with the Yanks, not the Braves. They have to pay the going rate. And even with that the Mets were about $100 mil behind the local competition (Yanks). Think about that, 5 players at $20 mil each additional.

By PatioDaddio

February 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

The Mets are the perfect example that it is very hard to win a World Series even if the team is very good. The best team does not always make it to the playoffs or win the big prize.

How were the playoffs last year? One year wonder? Quite a dominating streak,

By N8

February 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Metro-Man

I apologize for lecturing you on giving me a lecture. LOL!

You said:

“The only problem is just that with ACES being so hard to have, its a shame to win only 1 WS when you have multiple ACES year after year, dont ya think????”

Now THAT is also something we don’t need to be lectured on. So I’m gonna lecture you on putting ammunition in the “Robert-Gun”, because that will surely illicit a response from the Donk-basher.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Coach

Better yet , ask yourself this very important question. Why do the Mets have 12 non-roster pitchers in spring training camp ?

I can. As I’ve said here before Minaya believes in lot’s and lot’s of arms. The way the game is played and pitchers are managed even the best teams use 8 or 10 starters throughout the year and turnover half the bullpen. It’s just the nature of the game. Plus relievers are hot and cold so they move them in and out. I saw Terry Francona on NESN the other night saying “he fully expects to use no less than 8 different starters over the season and maybe as many as 10. Nature of the beast” - His words not mine.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Anders-I don’t ask all of those I disagree with to leave. Some are actually my friends like Tennessee Paul and Nathan. I constantly argue back and forth with them and never once asked them to leave. Dude-your scuba comment was EXTREMELY insulting. It was totally uncalled for and if you can’t see that,maybe it is better that you leave.

By N8

February 17, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Gibby

Your 4:52 was directed at me, as per calling “our” (the Mets) guys traded to the Twins for Santana as top prospects.

First of all. I never posted such.

Second of all, I’m a Braves fan, not a Mets troll on a Braves blog.

Third of all, I agree with you. The Mets stole Santana from the Twins, with borderline prospects (at best).

Just like we’ve been doing to other teams for over a decade. So while the Twins should be ragged on for not getting enough (in terms of quality) in return for Santana (like I said before - I live in Twins Territory and NOBODY has ever accused them of running a “good business”), but give the Mets management some credit.

They either “bought” at EXACTLY the right time, or talked up their crap so good, the Twins felt compelled to take the offer. Like I said, nothing JS didn’t do for 17 years (or have we forgotten about the McGriff, Neagle, Sheffield and Hudson trades?? Time will tell if the same happened in the trade for Tex).

Anyhow. Don’t accuse me of being a Mets fan again or you’ll be sorry. :-)

Just kidding.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Robert, let loose. Let them know how having all those ACES and 1 WS can make a fan crazy. Robert may have the answer but I will leave that to him. Lets take the last 5 braves playoffs. Who is the blame????

By The Goche (A.J.)

February 17, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

The only problem is just that with ACES being so hard to have, its a shame to win only 1 WS when you have multiple ACES year after year, dont ya think?

Well Metro,

I don’t want to be in one of these urinating matches, but some would say it’s a shame to have not won a World Series since 1986.

I only say that to point out that remarks like that are meaningless.

Is it better to be the Yankees who won all those series in the 90s or the Red Sox who didn’t win for 86 years but have won two since the Yankees last won any?

1. It doesn’t matter.
2. If we are talking about history for history’s sake, we could possibly have an interesting conversation. But if we are talking about this stuff in some sort of war of failure attrition (just the same way that Braves fans are rubbing last year in the noses of the Mets fans) it’s just a waste of time.

By KC

February 17, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Anders: “Are you willing to apply the same logic to Johnson, Escobar, Diaz and Soriano on the Braves?”

My reason for thinking of Maine as an uncertain factor is not only the fact that last season was his first full year as a starter… it’s also the fact that he was so shaky the last 2-3 months of the season. I wonder whether hitters starting figuring him out.

I’ll give you this… Maine did finish with an ERA of around 3.60 in half-season of starting in 2006, followed by solid numbers in 07. So if I had to guess, I’d say hel’ll post a solid ERA this year as well.

Again though… I’m wondering if hitters starting figuring him out mid-way through last season.

As for my reasons for saying the Mets don’t know what to expect from Oliver Perez… I don’t think I need to defend that position. His year-to-year stats speak for themselves. Maybe he’ll be great this year. You just don’t know.

Soriano has a history of dominance over several seasons. However, since he doesn’t have a great deal of experience as a closer… no, I don’t consider him a lock to be a dominant closer. I think he will be one, but I don’t think he’s a lock.

I never said I fully expect Escobar to hit .300 with 15 homers… though I won’t be in the least bit surprised if he does.

Diaz has put together 2 consecutive years of hitting WELL over .300.

The Braves have liked KJ since day-1. He’s been one of their most highly thought of hitters since day-1. So I don’t expect anything less than what he gave us last year.

For that matter, I guess I don’t expect less from Maine either than what he produced last year. The thing is… he was horribly inconsistent last season.

Tim Marchman - NY Sun: “Maine and Perez are, in many ways, the exact same pitcher. Both are tall and almost gawky with awkward deliveries. Both rely on 93-mph fastballs that they can throw a bit harder as circumstances require. Both throw sliders. Both are fly ball pitchers who strike out well more than twice as many batters as they walk, and and both fan about 22% of the batters they face.”

“Both average around six innings per start. Neither has ever pitched 200 innings in a season. Both are inconsistent, unusually prone to either dominate a game or get shelled.”

By Lew

February 17, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

MetroDude-You may not like the options we have but where are your’s? In Minnesota where they were traded for Santana? At the very least we HAVE options. You don’t.

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

McFann, yes, it should be posted by about 7 or 8, i’d guess. just filed it.

Someone asked about Francoeur being bulky. He’s not bulky. Not yet, at 239. He’s got the side frame to carry that much weight.

By cityofdecatur

February 17, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

UticaClub first. how did you know that was my first. ha ha. After uncle solly gave me the UC i chased it down with a Genny Cream Ale. lol thanks for the memories. what day do position players report and get to practice with the team. What’s the last day at dark star before heading north. was that the same song 2 days in a row or just the same artist. gettin’ so old have to ask the wife what the kids names are at least twice a month. P.S. Met fans suck

By Anders

February 17, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

KC

Long story short I think Maine and Perez both have a ceiling no higher than a number two and possibly as low as a number 4. Time will tell. I don’t think we have a phenom or a bust in either though. Gut feel, Maine will be a solid 2 or 3 and Perez will be your prototypical crazy lefty.2 one day 4 the next. Perez is a free agent after this year - Boras is his agent. That’ll be interesting.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

All those division championships and only one World Series can make a fan crazy? What about winning one division every twenty years, MetroDude? What did that make Mets’ fans? Perhaps delusional to think that one division win and then tanking in Guinness World Record Fashion is an accomplishment? Your septic tank is overflowing again-just like your mouth.

By ncgary

February 17, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

not yet lew, but my post office here take their time about everything

By Lew

February 17, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

MetroDude-Let’s talk the last five Mets’ playoffs-Oh Wait. You don’t even HAVE but five in all Mets’ history, do you?

By wiki

February 17, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Met Man

Lets take the last 5 braves playoffs. Who is the blame????

I’m results oriented, so I have to respond with 2 comments:

1) 2006: Lost NLCS to an 83 win team. 2) 2007: Two words: mammoth collapse

Take a look at your own bunch of underachievers before you scrutinize some other team’s players with your misguided squabble.

By richbrave

February 17, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Mr. Met @3:58 p.m.:

Don’t forget the Nats. They are an improved club.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Lew

You may not like the options we have but where are your’s? In Minnesota where they were traded for Santana? At the very least we HAVE options. You don’t.

The Mets have Fernando Martinez as a trade option. You remember him. He is one of the highly rated prospects you told me the Mets didn’t have. Remember - the Mets didn’t have to trade him for Santana who you told me the Mets couldn’t get. The Mets also have money as an option. You remember what that is right? The other thing you said the Mets don’t really have right up until they gave Santana $150 mil. Quite a streak you have going.

By 22oz

February 17, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe ya’ll are wasting a perfectly good Sunday afternoon arguing with a wall in the form of the usual Mets fans.

By richbrave

February 17, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

Jeeezze. More off-center, off-base, and off-color posts from the Mets freaks. How about OFF-LINE creeps before you’re OFFED on the field. You’ve got to be dizzy trying to justify your delusional boasts of grandure. Sticks and stones may break my bones, BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME. Bring it and lets see whose fan base is best connected to reality. Later.

By N8

February 17, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Lew

As a friend of mine once said…. I think it’s time for you meds, before you blow a gasket. LOL!

Just kidding man, but you are taking what the Mets trolls have to say, WAAAAAYYY to personally, IMO.

Don’t wanna see you pop a vessel.

By matlanta

February 17, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

hey DOB,

just wondering if you’ve been able to meet with Jair Jurrjens yet and seen him throw off the mound. i’m pretty anxious to see how he does in spring training and hopefully throughout the season on a regular basis.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

“The Goche (A.J.)”-The point im trying to make is that the braves have had so called aces all these years and only won one WS. The METS have overpayed for big bats not ACES in the same time frame. Bottom line the braves lost repeatedly in the playoffs with your so called aces! The METS have not lost due to so called ACES blowin it (cuz we didnt have any!)……OF course except for the bum glavine’s last performance! All we deal with in “urinating” contests is history so its never a waste of time!

LETS GO METS!

By KC

February 17, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Anders: I completely agree.

By The Man

February 17, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Could be a great finish between Busch and Stewart at the Daytona 500.

By wiki

February 17, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

By 22oz

I can’t believe ya’ll are wasting a perfectly good Sunday afternoon arguing with a wall in the form of the usual Mets fans.

Believe me I wouldn’t be if the weather wasn’t so crappy here.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

I take back everything I said. The Mets have a minor leaguer. How wonderful.Maybe they can trade him for Brandon Webb or Jake Peavey-just like they did Lastings Milledge.

By Bryan

February 17, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Ummm what about when the mets trade there aces for crap players!?!

By Gibby

February 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

N8 I apologize over and over again for mistaking you for a different Mets fan invading our Blog. Sorry I haven’t posted my apology in an hour or so I had to let my 5 year old have the computer sometime. I am enjoying the blog immensely. DOb thanks for the response on Francoeur getting Bulky. Only seeing him on TV I didn’t think his frame could handle that much weight

By Lew

February 17, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Nathan-My blood pressure is quite fine. It’s just a boring afternoon,with no one home, . but me and twoGerman Shepherds (who admittedly are better company than Anders or Metro Dude), my art supplies 1300miles away and I just love a bit of Troll bashing.

The only thing I took actual offense to was Anders’ scuba diving comment in reference to Yunel’s escape from Cuba. The rest I just attribute to the fact that they are unknowledgeable Trolls, quite bitter about the Mets’ perpetual state of rarely doing anything right. Just business as usual.

By MetsPussyCat

February 17, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

WOW! Braves fans are in rare form again today! Lets see is LEW drunk? He seems to be taking blog comments a bit personal today! Maybe its the heat in Florida?

richbrave- Jeez…reality is you are whining! And obviously your feelings are getting hurt so your nursery rhyme wasnt useful today! Go take a nap! You’ll feel much better when you wake up dude!

No time to get at every stupid comment made at the METS but we can argue over and over about rotations and line ups and what each teams depth chart looks like! No one should tell anyone not to blog here or anywhere else though! It would be awfully boring to go to a rival teams blog and only hear niceties thrown at them! Come on…If you dont get loud for your own squad then you aint a fan!

Fellow METS fans- Keep hammering away! Its a new season and we have earned the right to be excited and louder! Braves will get their first oppurtunity to be reminded what they need to worry about this season when we come to turner in April! All you braves fans make sure you come out and watch your “ACES” get rocked! Especially that punka$$ glavine! Smoltz…thats an ACE that I have no negative comments about so we just will see on that one!

Now the season is about to start and the chest pumping is of course taking a life of its own! We all have 162 games to play so lets get it on!

LETS GO METS!

By MetsPussyCat

February 17, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

“By Bryan February 17, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this Ummm what about when the mets trade there aces for crap players!?!”

Ummm…what the hell are you talking about?

LETS GO METS!

By Anders

February 17, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Lew

I take back everything I said. The Mets have a minor leaguer. How wonderful.Maybe they can trade him for Brandon Webb or Jake Peavey-just like they did Lastings Milledge.

Good stuff! It certainly gave me a good laugh with my after dinner drink.

By The Man

February 17, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Fellow METS fans- Keep hammering away! Its a new season and we have earned the right to be excited and louder!

Yep maybe the great momentum the Mets had the end of last season will carry over. HA..HA..HA..HA.. oh wait… I stole a line from another Mets fan…shame on me.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

Lew

The only thing I took actual offense to was Anders’ scuba diving comment in reference to Yunel’s escape from Cuba.

What scuba diving comment are you talking about? I never said anything about scuba diving. You mentioned it numerous times and I have ignored it but now you’re making a national crisis out of it (there’s a shock).Did you not have your hat on down there in the sun today?

By PatioDaddio

February 17, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Hearing all these reports from many sources about how these young players like McCann, Francoeur, Kelly, are coming into camp all bulked up after a winter of lifting and other methods of self improvement is refreshing.

Sounds like some of those doubles and triples may be leaving the park from those three. Add Chipper and Tex into that and those 5 should do some serious damage.

By A-ville Ranger

February 17, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

I can’t stand Mike Hampton and I don’t care if Hoss or anybody else reads this.I saw where he missed the Daytona 500 because ”business comes first”.That business it turns out is with lawyers and financial advisors not team business.I can’t stand the site of the selfish fraud,if he retired today it’d be two years past due IMO.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Mets Pussycat

Prepare for incoming Kazmir missiles. Red Alert! Red alert! Fill tubes 2, 5, 7, 8 and 9. Set for return launch.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

A-Ville Ranger

Uhmm, you do realize Hampton works for the Braves and not Nascar -right?

Although when you think about it he’s probably appeared at both about the same amount of times the last two seasons.

BTW- Hoss says you’re off the X-mas card list now.

By The Man

February 17, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this

Ryan Newman wins daytona 500.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Anders-3:24 this afternoon. You mentioned Full Diving Gear. Maybe not scuba but damn well close enough. Both your sentiment and mine remain the same no matter what word games you want to play. You rarely really pay attention to what others really say,so I suppose it is not surprising you don’t pay attention to what you say, either.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Aville Ranger-Why exactly would it matter whether or not it was team business or personal? Does Hampton have a contractual obligation to attend NASCAR events? Does going to see his legal adviser (or tax preparer) effect his pitching or rehab with the Braves? Sounds more like a personal issue on your side of the fence.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

The Man-Your 6:44 post was right on. You’d think one division Championship in 20 years and that look on Beltran’s face was an accomplishment.

By A-ville Ranger

February 17, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

Anders.. my point is Mike is so selfish he feels compelled to stay close not to work into playing shape but to count his (team’s)money with lawyers.I just think he’s a fraud crying about how bad he feels for letting the team down.When you pull a hamstring the first inning you pitch it’s usually a bi-product of poor conditioning.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

Lew

full Marine gear diving into fox holes behind the mound dodging enemy fire.

Not sure where you got scuba gear from this or how you see it as me misinterpreting things again, but hey it can never be Lew who’s wrong -right?

If you accuse me of something that I didn’t do or say and you’re found to be wrong at least man up and admit your mistake. Happens to all of us. Pawning it off as my lack of comprehension just makes you look smaller.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

A-ville Ranger

For the short time Hampton pitched for the Mets he was a hardworker and a good team guy. I’d guess he still is. His body just broke down. I doubt very much he’s not doing everything he can to get back on the field. I really like him as a Met and was sorry to see him go.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

Glavine blew the METS last game because the further the METS went in the playoffs, the harder it would have been for you guys to take him back. He was leaving the METS regardless and just needed braves fans blessings!!!

Hope it works out better for you guys in his fairwell tour!!1

By PatioDaddio

February 17, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

So, if Mike Hampton goes to Daytona to drink beer and eat hot dogs while watching a race that is more important than anything??? Heard many things, but this is different. Why is his personal life being questioned? Are we taking this a bit too far?

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

A-ville Ranger: Dont know if your a METS fan or braves fan but you hit the nail on the head with Hampton. He is robbing the braves blind but the sad part is he seems too non-chalant about it!!!

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this

A-Ville, sorry but this particular anti-Hampton rant makes absolutely no sense.

Did you ever think maybe he had some legal matters that are personal, maybe family stuff? You have no earthly idea what he was tied up with lawyers about, and it’s none of your business. Braves were done with their workout at 12:30 p.m., and he met with his lawyers after that.

So let me get this straight: It would have been more responsible and better for the team if he’d gone to the Daytona 500? Or to a bar? Or the golf course?

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

LEW and ANDERS:

Grumpy Old MEN representing the METS and braves, gotta love it.

Pass the popcorn please….

By McFann

February 17, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Duuuuude!! Great article, DOB!! Or should I say, “That was a really neat article, dude!”

{We’ve been havin’ some nasty weather (tornado warnings and all), so our computer’s been off for a few hours.}

But really, outstanding article, Chief! Thanks a lot! Got that one printed out to go with all my other articles of the like.

By A-ville Ranger

February 17, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

Lew what is it with DOB regulars and this ”contractual obligation” stuff ? I got the same response last spring regarding Mcdowell showing up at the last minute and not staying in touch with his young pitchers during off-season.This season he volunteered to work with the young guys on his time.As far as I know he had no ”contractual obligation” to do so.

By The Man

February 17, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

I am so sick of hearing about Glavine blowing the Mets precious season last yar. The whole dam or should I say double dam team choke the way I see it. It is like blaming poor Bartman on the Cubs collaspe several years back in post-season. That team did pretty well w/o his services to blow it in the end as did the majority of the Mets team last year.

No matter what…the Braves are better off with Glavine as our # 3 starter rather than James (no fan of his - sorry Braves fans - hope I can live to take that back). All of you as Mets fans have to secretly know this. It is nice knowing your # 3 starter last season may actaully be the # 5 starter for the Braves this season … like hinm or not.

By mark

February 17, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

Smoltz was drafted by the Tigers and played one year in their system however he was in the Braves Farm system for 2 and Half seasons before becoming a regular with the Braves so there fore I say Smoltz is Atlanta Braves Home Grown Tallent.

I think we will miss the defence of Jones and Reteria and Im thinking the bat of Reteria forsure.There is no better center fielder than Jones..Its going to be weird seeing those balls drop out there that always seems like regular everyday plays for Andruw.But I guess for 2Million Kotsay will fill a void until a Future Atlanta Brave is ready.Im not sure of Escarbars defence compared to Renteria.But all in all the Team looks good, I am looking forward to a competitive Brave season. It will be way fun to see Chipper and Mark back to back whole season.I mean Gosh Frabcoer is just a kid still and McCann the same, they both are really goods hitters and Jeff is a great defensive outfielder , Im not sure many are better at throwing the ball back to the base from the outfield. I think biggest problem will be starting pitching..to many ifs and a lot of age.So thats my thoughts in a nutshell

By PAPA 10

February 17, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

Is gonzalez healthy and ready 2 go or will bc take it slow with him?

By McFann

February 17, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Francoeur’s not “bulky”…but you guys do realize that now he weighs more than McCann, don’t you?

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By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

The Man: It is nice knowing your # 3 starter last season may actaully be the # 5 starter for the Braves this season … like hinm or not.

If Glavine is the #5 guy, who the heck is the 3 or 4 starters??? Glavine at # 5 is where he belongs but you have no bridge between the 1 and 2 starter and him unless that so called “deapth” you guys keep talking about actually shows the world something.

By PatioDaddio

February 17, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

For those who are not aware, the Braves train in Lake Buena Vista, not Daytona. There was not any contractual obligation for Hampton to go to Daytona. Are drugs legal where some of this is coming from? Or when do some need to be back by before they lock the doors? Some very strange non Braves fans out lately/

By ?

February 17, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Muscle weighs more than fat McFann

By Bryan

February 17, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Well mets fan … nolan ryan, tom sever, and scot kazmir (i know he is not an official ace yet … ) ring a bell?

By Lew

February 17, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this

Anders-It was in response to my assertion that Yunel would hardly feel pressure over the coming season when he had crossed from Cuba in a raft. Dude,you’re just an insensitive jerk so why don’t you just quit while you’re ahead?How you can blame me on this is totally beyond comprehension. What a schmuck.

By William

February 17, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

DOB I sent you an email to your ajc email. Could you take a look at it when you get a chance.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

Do all you Trolls need to have us go all Wurlitzer on your sorry a*******e$ so you’ll know just how we all really feel about y’all?

Anders-It really amazes me that you can come here,spout all of this garbage and then claim we misquote you and don’t know what you really meant. All you do is come and look for an argument, sow dissension and then pretend you’re purer than the snow on my lawn in Vermont. What an a$$.

By fastasballs

February 17, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

I think one of the younger guys does show something on the mound this spring. They probably are not going to jump over anyone in the rotation, but when the injury bug bites (it will) they will get their chance.

If Chuck James doesn’t develope a 3rd pitch he’s never going to amount to much other than a 5th starter. How long can you survive on two pitches as a starter?

I can’t bring myself to discuss Hampton. What’s the point until he actually pitches in a game, regular season game that is.

I do think the Braves are in a much better position to handle injuries than the Mets are. Granted a lot of the Braves reserves will be untested talent, but I’ll take that over nothing.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

More NL East news!!!

While the Mets and Phillies generate much of the attention, this isn’t a two-team race in the East. The Atlanta Braves, who won 14 straight division titles before that unprecedented streak ended in 2006, can’t be overlooked.

The Braves added Tom Glavine to an already solid starting rotation and might even get Mike Hampton back. Mark Teixeira gets a full season in Atlanta’s lineup, which is still very formidable despite the loss of Andruw Jones.

“I don’t like opposing those guys,” pitcher Cole Hamels said. “I don’t know how they’re falling under the radar because they won it for so many years. But maybe it’ll make it a little more smooth sailing for them. They can just go out and do their jobs.”

By Lew

February 17, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Aville-What does using the term contractual obligation have to do with anything? What does us being regulars have to do with anything? Do you actually think there’s a DOB handbook we all quote from or believe and agree with everything he says?

No,Dude-my comment stems from the absurdity of YOUR statement. Hampton not going tosee a race on his own time has nothing whatsoever to do with his injury, his rehabilitation or anything whatsoever to do with Spring Training, staying in the best shape possible or helping the Braves any way he can.

The whole situation is your opinion of Hampton being injured. It makes zero sense unless we view it as you just not liking the guy. That’s it-pure and simple. You just don’t like him or the situation and take every opportunity to tell us,whether in a sensible context or something totally ridiculous like you’ve done today. Nothing else.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Hey, uh…?, I was just jokin’ around with the people who ragged McCann about being overweight.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Braves depth is equivalent to METS money. Its there, but no one else believes you until you “show them the money”.
Lew kept asking where is the money and then “BAM” there it is in Santana’s pocket and Wilpon saying we still have more to spend.

You have all this depth, now show the rest of the league what it is all about!!!!

By MetsPussyCat

February 17, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this

Lew-You’re killen me dude! LMAO! Go wurlitzer?..Should be some good reading!

LETS GO METS!

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

PAPA 10, where you been? We’ve given several updates on Gonzalez in recent weeks, including a couple this past week.

Anyway, no, he’s not ready to go, but he’s about a month ahead of the original timetable they had last year after his surgery. At the time the Braves were saying “around the All-Star break,” but Gonzalez and the Braves are now aiming for early June.

By ?

February 17, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this

And I was joking around with you McFann because I know how much you love McCann. You should be able to take it by now!

By A-ville Ranger

February 17, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

Lew I could go on,but I won’t.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

From ESPN:

But, at the very least, now that Tom Glavine is back, they definitely have the most dangerous golfing twosome in anybody’s rotation.

If you’re wondering, the first Glavine-Smoltz 18-hole shootout of 2008 is coming up any day now, just as soon as their families head back north. But as happy as Glavine is to have a locker next to Smoltz, he’s just as wary of what Smoltz has planned for him on the golf course.

“He keeps telling me how bad his game is,” laughed Glavine. “But I think he’s trying to suck me into a bet.”

The BET: Hey Glavine, how many games back can we put us in early so we can have more time to go play golf!!

By A-ville Ranger

February 17, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

DOB If it is none of our business,don’t report it.

By Mr. Met

February 17, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

Richbrave @5:30pm

The nationals are an improved club, but in my opinion, they are not at the same level as the met/braves/phillies in the division, i think in a few years they will be more of a threat

By Lew

February 17, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

Aville-Good plan. You’re not making much sense anyway.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

MetroDude-It only took them two years, losing in the playoffs and then tanking in spectacular fashion to spend it. I’m absolutely certain that they went out and finally spent it because I said they didn’t have it. Just like they got Santana because I said they had no chance. I’m thrilled that I’m so integral to the Mets’ success. What a bunch of Morons you Trolls are.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Oh, I cann take it, ?. Sometimes it’s hard to tell how a person feels by reading their post. I really have learned to take it when somebody “busts my chops” thanks to this blog.

I know how much you love McCann.

Yeah, don’t think that’s a secret anymore.

; )

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

Thank you Lew. I knew you were really a METS Ambassador!!!!

Now tell me, can you pitch a 1,2, 3 inning also you 3 trick pony???

By Ippississim

February 17, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Richbrace and Mr. Met:

Greatly improving the Nats is kinda like a new paint job on an AMC Gremlin. Still not gonna be pretty.

By ippississiM

February 17, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

BTW, the reason my screen name has been inconsistent in its capitalization is that I use two different computers, and I forgot to fix it on one of them.

By toronto blue jays ftw!

February 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

LETS GO BLUE JAYS! glavine and smotllz and winifred and nancy and whoever else is on your team SUCKS! ahhahahaha. blue jays all the way! TORONTO IN THE HIZAH! i have nothing better to do with my life than go onto blogs for teams i dont cheer for and cause trouble. seems im not the only one tho….

By Murphy

February 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

*By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

The Man: It is nice knowing your # 3 starter last season may actaully be the # 5 starter for the Braves this season … like hinm or not.

If Glavine is the #5 guy, who the heck is the 3 or 4 starters??? Glavine at # 5 is where he belongs but you have no bridge between the 1 and 2 starter and him unless that so called “deapth” you guys keep talking about actually shows the world something.*

UM, I am pretty sure Glavine was considered the Met’s ACE the last couple of years and the Brave have him as their #3, not #5.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

BTW, ?, that’s a funny screen name. I mean that in a good way.

By Murphy

February 17, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the web address Lew…and for taking on the Met trolls. It takes a lot to put up with such ignorance and falsehoods…not to mention the selective memory.

By The Douche

February 17, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

BTW, the reason my screen name has been inconsistent in its capitalization is that I use two different computers, and I forgot to fix it on one of them.

no one asked. no one was wondering. no one cares.

By Yars

February 17, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

I hope Yunel winds up leading off. I’d like to see KJ hitting #2, & Kotsay in the #7 spot. If Matt Diaz is starting, hit him in the #7 spot & move Kotsay to the #8 spot.

By ?

February 17, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

BURN

By Anders

February 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

DOB To A-ville

Did you ever think maybe he had some legal matters that are personal, maybe family stuff? You have no earthly idea what he was tied up with lawyers about, and it’s none of your business.

Gotta say when I read the above I agreed 100% with DOB. Then this from A-ville:

DOB If it is none of our business,don’t report it.

Awesome response. Not sure what side to take on this. The subject matter has become completely irrelavent at this point. We’re into blogging protocol. If DOB posts a fact on his site, shouldn’t anyone be allowed to voice their opinion regarding said fact? Isn’t that what blogging is? If no opinion is to be given then why post the fact in the first place? DOB might have some culpability here. Can you tell all that’s on is the NBA All Star game?

By Lew

February 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

No Metro Dude-I can’t pitch a one two, three inning. Never could, even when I was young enough to actually play ball. I could make good contact though-a hand eye coordination thing-maybe because I’m an artist which requires the hand eye thing.

However,I’d like for you to perform a little experiment. Go back through your and all Mets’ fans’ posts from this afternoon onwards. Count how many times that Braves or Mets players’ names are mentioned by the Mets fans and how many times they mention MY name. I would be willing to bet that my name appears at least as many times in those posts as any one player’s does. What does that tell y’all about why you’re here?

If we didn’t know better, one would think I WAS integral to the Mets’ success in your eyes. Y’all are really not so sure of yourselves, are you?

By McFann

February 17, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

no one asked. no one was wondering. no one cares.

Awww…now that was mean.

Dude, this Extreme Makeover: The Home Edition is awesome—incredible story. Gotta get back to it.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Murphy-You’re welcome. Hope you enjoy the art work.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

McFann

I wondered. I was scared to ask (Lew and all). And I certainly cared.

Enjoy the makeover show.

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

Some “culpability”? Are you serious?

Wow. I’ll let you take this from here, since we already took it to its illogical extreme. I really don’t care enough to have wasted this many keystrokes. Wouldn’t if I wasn’t idle while watching this Duke-Wake Forest game. What you think about my reporting the quote, or my response to the silly comment from A-Ville, means nothing. Zero.

Most folks got a laugh out of it, I’d assume. And if they didn’t, too bad. I did.

By Roman Gal

February 17, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

McFann I agree. Great episode…especially what they did to the practice field. :)

By David O'Brien

February 17, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Thankfully, after engaging in that asinine war of words, I just read the 9:24 post and laughed my butt off. Thank you, person who wrote that.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

Anders—

Now see, that was funny. Best post you’ve had in a long time.

Enjoy the makeover show.

Thanks. We sure are enjoying it.

By The Douche

February 17, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

Matt Stafford went to Dega last spring. Aville probably wishes Stafford had stayed in Athens and had a tickle pile with his lawyer instead of a keg. But, oh, no, Mike Hampton shall attend Daytona. Huh?

By Lew

February 17, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

Oh My-Now Anders is afraid of me. Maybe I’d better go read my Dale Carnegie book some more.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

Dob

Some “culpability”? Are you serious?

Uhmm no. I assumed you’d figure that out.

By On_the_Go

February 17, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

DOB, You mentioned KJ’s offseason and several other players in other recent articles. Do you have any scoop on Escobar’s offseason activity? Just a dumb question, but do the Cuban defectors go play in the Caribbean league in the off-season?

By Lew

February 17, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this

Now Numba One REALLY needs that Dale Carnegie book a lot more than I do.

By McFann

February 17, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

So great, Roman Gal.

Night all!!

By Roman Gal

February 17, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

NumbaOneFan That was COMPLETELY uncalled for!!! What a ridiculous thing to say.

By Roman Gal

February 17, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this

Interesting Article

I wonder how accurate this is…we know he is buying a house in Atlanta, but firing Scott Boras?? I kinda doubt it.

By Anders

February 17, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

NumbaOneFan

Thousands and thousands of children lost a parent that day.I hope you think about that and what you said here when you lay your head down tonight. Hopefully you won’t repeat that ignorant thought again.

By richbrave

February 17, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

METSP”

Didn’t think you had the stones to reply. Go play with your girl-friend.

By Lew

February 17, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Anders-We agree on this one.

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

Lew I post to you because you are a knowledgeable braves fan and look for that in rivalry talk. You and a few select others bring that to the bolg and it makes for great read and conversation…nothing more, nothing less. So get of your high horse and if you dont want to be responded to, then stop antagonizing others when they address you. How old are you again????

By richbrave

February 17, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

METRO DUDE:

Go home. I’m tired of having to waste time passing over your innane drivel.

By Roman Gal

February 17, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

By Lew February 17, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this Anders-We agree on this one.

Oh no…the Apocolypse is coming!!

By Metropolitan Man

February 17, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

richbrave: Heres more drivel, the braves are a competitive team. Now if I beleived that crap, would you still read my post??? Oh please, please say yes!!!! I need your approval to keep posting, thanks in advance.

By A-ville Ranger

February 17, 2008 11:43 PM | Link to this

First off DOB does a good job and I often enjoy reading his work.Second, some things in pro sports just rub me wrong.When Hampton signed the contract with Colorado and pretended it wasn’t about the money my negative feelings about him started.Last spring the article on Andrew and his ”pimped ride” rubbed me wrong,Roger Clemens saying he wanted to be remembered as a great American.. ditto.Last, when (in light of past events and statements)Hampton talked about how hard it is on him to let the team down struck me as disingenuous.This thing today wouldn’t have made any impression without the history.Do I hate Mike Hampton ? no,do I think he’s a selfish phoney ? you bet I do.

By MetsPussyCat

February 17, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

richbrave- Your whining again! enough said…..

Lew- you are flattering yourself. Lets see its called a BLOG..so the concept is that people all talk about a common subject! We METS fans have been responding and talking to you today because umm…you have been talking to us all day havent you?! As for you being needed for our success…you are only detrimental to the braves success because after our last season you would have been fired! lol! Have a good night Lew!

LETS GO METS!

By Milledeville Matt

February 17, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

Remember when the Mets utterly collapsed at the end of last season? Ah, just saying it out loud to myself brings a smile to my face.

By richbrave

February 18, 2008 12:00 AM | Link to this

METRO MANIC:

Want inside the manic brain of a Mets fan? Let’s see: Aaahhh. Yes, Teixeira is securing a house in the Atlanta area. Right!! That automatically means Teixeira is so smitten with the Braves he is going to take less money than the Mets, Red Sox, or Yankees will offer him at the end of his contract. He loves us so much he is going to dump Boras and convince Francouer to do the same. We are going to be so happy everyone will be it perfect health and our clubhouse will be all sweetness and light. That’s how you appear to one Braves fan, fools.

By MetsPussyCat

February 18, 2008 12:12 AM | Link to this

Milledeville Matt: After 2 3rd place finishes, watching the braves 3 peat for 3rd place and watching you guys in 08’ will be a treat. Think about this, you guys still finished behind the team that so graciously collasped……where does that rank the braves NOW!!!

By mike

February 18, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

Oh, by the way, Carlos Beltran is STILL standing at home plate after watching strike 3.

By MetsPussyCat

February 18, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this

richbrave: I’m lost in translation on your post!!! What point was trying to be made????

By Roman Gal

February 18, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

Francouer’s agent is not Scott Boras.

By Moby Grape

February 18, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this

996 -vs- .954 HUGE DIFFERENCEOverlord

you can’t compare fielding %s between different positions, it is completely meaningless. Yes Tex is a better fielder than David, but the above figures aren’t really gonna prove it

By MetsPussyCat

February 18, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

The Phillies are on the hook for just $100,000 with Kris Benson.

Jim Salisbury thinks that makes Benson a smart bet. If Benson performs like the Phillies hope, he could make as much as $5.1 million this season. But that’s only if he makes 30 starts and reaches 200 innings.

It’s a bargain if he does that.

If he doesn’t, they obviously pay much less.

Benson’s out clause says he must be on the 25-man roster by March 25 or be released. But it sounds like Benson will use that clause only if he thinks there’s no chance of making the team, or if the Phillies basically tell him there’s no chance. If he thinks he can help the Phillies at some point, he said he’d be willing to make some starts in the minor leagues to get his arm strength back to where it needs to be.

Man you guys have all those non quality depth guys, but if you looked under the sofa cushions, you would have found the 100,000 to at least give him a try. He is a MLB pitcher but then again you guys are banking on no names for the 4th and 5ht spot….good luck for now. Good riddance after the ALL-STAR break!!!

By brian

February 18, 2008 12:38 AM | Link to this

these Braves do have a lot to prove. A good many of these Braves have not tasted post-season and most have not tasted post-season success.

The Mets also have a lot to prove. The only thing proven so far is that they know how to choke. and by choke I mean historically choke.

All the above talk about Glavine being the number 5 starter? How much would the Mets love to have Glavine back this year as their number 3 starter? Or any team in MLB for that matter?

No names at the #4 or #5 starter? Mike Hampton if healthy will be solid. Take him off the table you still have Chuck James - even with his “slide” last year compare his stats to other starters currently entering their 3rd year - it has been done here many times and young Chuckie does not do so bad. Jair did quite well for his half season with Detroit last year.

The end of the Braves rotation will be fine as long as it stays the end of the rotation (meaning no injuries to Smoltz, Hudson, or Glavine)

How ‘bout them Deacs? !!

By The Man

February 18, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

Metro-Men & MetsPussyCat

All of this non quality depth talk about starting pitching for the Braves. Do either of you really think Glavine is going to be a 5th starter. If this team REALLY needs another starter don’t you think they will go out and obtained one. I don’t think the Braves have reached the level of teams like the Pirates, Royals …so forth. Those are likely the type of teams where a trade can be made for one of their top starters (if necessary) once they are out of contention……which will be long before the all-star break.

By N8

February 18, 2008 1:10 AM | Link to this

To anybody that hasn’t read Jayson Stark of ESPN’s article about the Phillies and Mets trash-talking, here is the link.

Idiots arguing with each other about who’s gonna win, while forgetting there’s a quiet, calm 3rd party involved that might spoil BOTH of their victory parade.

Anyhow, in the article Stark says:

“What they want to do, of course, is exactly what the Mets want to do. (And the Braves, too, by the way — but they keep forgetting to trash-talk about it.) These are teams dreaming very big dreams.”

Which is EXACTLY the way Bobby and most Braves fans want it. Even in the midst of winning 14 divisions in a row, the Braves didn’t have to announce it. It was just understood.

But leave it to the immature, obnoxious youngsters of these two teams to yap their traps, while forgetting to take the Braves seriously.

Maybe we fall 20 games behind both those clubs? Who knows? But I guarantee that IF we end up winning the division, it won’t be because any Braves players “called their shot” to the media and trash talked about it. It will be because they kept their mouths shut and not only sneaked up on both the Mets and Phillies, but passed them both, while the b!tch-slapped each other the way that girls who have to tell everybody how good-looking they are do.

Man you gotta love it when teams are over confident, especially after one of the BIGGEST choke-jobs in recent (if not total) history.

By Roman Gal

February 18, 2008 1:25 AM | Link to this

N8 You left out the best part…

These are teams dreaming very big dreams. Dreams that involve champagne, ticker tape and a tee-time-free October. Dreams that, hopefully, will not be narrated by Dane Cook.

By Metropolitan Man

February 18, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this

braves fans comment on Mets stories. It’s great. Mets are on everybody’s mind. Bottom line is the Mets improved themselves more than the Phils or Braves.

By fastasballs

February 18, 2008 1:42 AM | Link to this

I’ve enjoyed reading the conspiracy theories about Glavine throwing his last game & that’s the sole reason for the Muts choking away the division. Ah the dilusions one will make themselves believe to protect them from the truth. The whole team contributed to the greatest collapse in pro sports.

Anyone want to bet Glavine throws more innings than Pedro this season? Hell, make that Pedro & El Disabled.

As far as Santana goes I sure wish we could have picked him up for a bunch of overated prospects. He’s a stud, no doubt. The Muts should consider themselves lucky that the Twins turned down much better offers from the Yanks & Sox, thinking they would get an over-the-top offer that never came.

By The Man

February 18, 2008 1:52 AM | Link to this

Talk about a rainy night in Georgia. It does seem like it is raining all over the world.

By AmazinsAgin08

February 18, 2008 4:07 AM | Link to this

braves fans comment on Mets stories. It’s great. Mets are on everybody’s mind. Bottom line is the Mets improved themselves more than the Phils or Braves.MetroMan

yeah Sports Illustrated says the Mets were #1 over the winter and the Braves were #22. heehee. Go Mets

By Hunk Erdown

February 18, 2008 4:21 AM | Link to this

By beekay

February 15, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Roger Clemens Yesterday (as played by Jack Nicholson) Clemens: You want answers?

Congressman: I think I’m entitled to them.

Clemens: You want answers?

Congressman: I want the truth!

Clemens: You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has baseballs. And those balls have to be hit by men with bats. Who’s gonna do it? You? You,Congressman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for steroids and

you curse HGH. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that HGH, while illegal, probably sells tickets. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, sells tickets…You don’t want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that mound. You need me on

that mound. We use words like fastball, slider, splitfinger…we use these words as the backbone to a life spent playing a sport. You use ‘em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and falls asleep to the Sportscenter

clips I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I’d rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a bat and dig in. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you’re entitled to!

Congressman: Did you order the HGH?

Clemens: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.

Congressman: Did you order the HGH?

Clemens: You’re g* right I did!!

Sorry, but I just had to bump this one back up… probably one of the top 5 I’ve ever read on the AJC blogs.

By Braveheart

February 18, 2008 5:30 AM | Link to this

My lineup would be:

1. KJ
2. Frenchy
3. Chipper
4. Tex
5. McCann
6. Yunel
7. Diaz/Jones
8. Kotsay

I think Frenchy could be launched into a superstar season hitting second in front of Chipper and Tex like Andruw was in front of Chipper in 2000 and like Arod was in front of Griffey and Edgar Martinez in 2006. And I think Escobar could have about as many RBIs hitting sixth as Frenchy would have there.

By Moby Grape

February 18, 2008 5:49 AM | Link to this

I think Frenchy could be launched into a superstar season hitting second in front of Chipper and TexBraveheart

assuming that you are serious,well I don’t know exactly what to say here, other than that Frenchy is one of the last players on the team that I would consider suitable to bat second. Little bat control, high strikeouts and relatively low OBP??? Sorry but he sounds a lot more like a 5-6-7 guy than a 2 guy to me.

By RunninBrave

February 18, 2008 6:23 AM | Link to this

Jeff batting 2nd is about the worst idea I’ve seen on here in a while. With KJ, Escobar and Kotsay you’ve already got 3 good top of the order guys. Jeff is an RBI man with power. 5th is the perfect place for him.

I don’t care how big of a superstar he becomes, but if he keeps getting better, which we have every reason to believe he will, he’s gonna be one of the best RFs in the majors, and will help the Braves win a lot of games. That’s good enough for me.

By David O'Brien

February 18, 2008 6:44 AM | Link to this

LOVE the Clemens/Few Good Men dialogue. Made me put down my cereal bowl in order to comment.

By Braveheart

February 18, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this

Jeff batting 2nd is about the worst idea I’ve seen on here in a while.

You probably said the same thing about Andruw Jones during spring training in 2000. And then he went out and hit .303, .366, .541 with 36 homers, 122 runs scored, 103 RBIs out of the 2 spot. Despite Andruw doing that, you probably would have been happier with some bat control guy - which, btw, neither KJ nor Escobar are. And bat control guys are overrated anyway, especially on the Braves since the Braves rarely do anything remotely related to the execution of smallball.

OBP is important - but you presume Frenchy’s OBP will stay the same if he bats second. My thinking is his average might increase to .315, .320 because pitchers will be forced to pitch to him (which they aren’t when he hits sixth) which also would increase his OBP to .360 or so - more than acceptable for a top of the order guy - especially since he would also add more homers and doubles at the top of the order.

I think too many fans see what someone does in one lineup slot and think he will do the same exact thing in another lineup slot when how they do is often dependent upon how they are pitched because of the protection they have. If you doubt me, ask yourselves why Frenchy hits so much better when KJ hits behind him, when McCann hits behind him, and when there are men on base, and in particular, men in scoring position? Could it be that KJ, McCann, and the men on base and in scoring position protect him and force pitchers to pitch him differently? Then why shouldn’t you expect him to replicate some of that statistical production batting second with the protection of Chipper and Tex?

It will never happen but don’t tell me it’s a bad idea when you have put no thought into it beyond conventional thinking.

With that being said, the best lineup in order to maximize the potential of everyone is probably: 1. Escobar 2. Kotsay 3. Chipper 4. Tex 5. McCann 6. Frenchy 7. KJ 8. Diaz/Jones

Hate to put KJ that far down but Kotsay will be much better if he is protected by Chipper and Tex and Frenchy should be much better if protected by KJ. I think KJ is one of those guys who does not need protection - and, if anything, needs less protection so that pitchers don’t take advantage of his patience.

Alright, I’ll shut up now and go get myself a life……

Have a good day everyone.

By nOLIE

February 18, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this

My lineup would be:

1. KJ
2. Frenchy
3. Chipper
4. Tex
5. McCann
6. Yunel
7. Diaz/Jones
8. Kotsay BH

interesting. I’m aware that Druw’s best stats could be said to have come out of the 2 hole, even over his career, so you certainly have that example on your side. I’m not sure that the same would apply to Jeff, but perhaps it might. The batting order might give Jeff the best chance to have a great year but I’m not so certain that it would be the most beneficial to the team. But who knows? There is a good bit of flexibility with those players, especially if they mostly all perform as in the past.

By PatioDaddio

February 18, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this

Spring is here and memories are great. For our Mets fans that gloat here…this bite is for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZrXNmi4Y&feature=related

By PatioDaddio

February 18, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZrXNmi4Y&feature=related

By TommyP

February 18, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

One question: Is Lew DOB’s dad?

Just saying….I mean, asking.

By David O'Brien

February 18, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

TommyP: my dad’s never sent an e-mail in his life, much less filed a blog post.

But thanks for asking.

By ron

February 18, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

are you kidding me that soriano is being designated as the braves closer? the same soriano i saw blow game after game by giving up the long ball last season.fans please give some feedback on this move.

By Alonzo

February 18, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

You know, I see lots of Mets fans in these parts, but I never see any Philly fans. What’s the point of a super-duper three way race if the blog isn’t having a super-duper three way smackdown.

By The Douche

February 18, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

are you kidding me that soriano is being designated as the braves closer? the same soriano i saw blow game after game by giving up the long ball last season.fans please give some feedback on this move.

Damn. Who woke up Rip Van Winkle?

By wiki

February 18, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

By Metropolitan Man

braves fans comment on Mets stories. It’s great. Mets are on everybody’s mind. Bottom line is the Mets improved themselves more than the Phils or Braves.

You sure needed to.

never forget the collapse of ‘07…..I’ve heard from reliable sources that Glavine put a “Bartman” curse on you…..no championships for at least 20 years….wait a minute, you’ve already done that.

If it wasn’t for a Buckner little league error, you’d be working on 39 years…W O W

By ncscoots

February 18, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Loved the “trash-talking” article. Especially since neither the Phillies nor Mets really have much basis for it. Props to the Phillies, who are, after all, the reigning division champion. But it took an epic (did I say “epic”? Should have said “effing EPIC”) collapse by the Mets for them to do it.

And only a truly amnesiac man could be a member of last year’s Mets and proclaim “team to beat” trash this year. You don’t get out the stain of last year’s choke by rubbing a little Santana on it…you need heavy-duty dry-cleaning for THAT puppy. And, no matter how much you paid for the suit, the first thing people notice about it is the stain. Including the guy who puts it on…

So, I look forward to the resolution of this Mets-Phillies “rivalry”…while the Braves are looking at it in their rearview mirror.

By Daybed Wagmoe

February 18, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

MetMan - where’d you find that stuff in last night’s 8:12pm post? pretty interesting.

“…Atlanta’s lineup, which is still very formidable despite the loss of Andruw Jones.”

you could replace “despite” with “thanks to”!

By David O'Brien

February 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Ron, did you hear the Braves might not be able to re-sign Andruw Jones? And I also hear they’ve listened to an offer or two for Edgar Renteria….

On a more timely front, you guys might not hear from Lew for a while. Euphoria-induced heart palpitations is my concern about the old dude.

Chipper just borrowed my pen to give Lew an address to send the painting. And as I’m walking away, Bobby walks out of the dugout and Chipper says, “Coxy, this is my friend, Lew.” Lew then showed Bobby his painting of the manager….

I’m not making this up.

By BamaBrave

February 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Apologies, DOB, if you’ve already commented on Jurgens…but, any impressions so far?

By ncscoots

February 18, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Daybed (and others), I know most of Braves Nation are glad AJ is gone (and he caused me to throw a few beer cans last year, too). But he’s still the guy who pounded 90+ homers in the two years prior to last, and the guy who CARRIED the team in 2005. And, in 2008, I think he’ll be closer to that guy than the .220 guy.

Hope you’ll still be able to have a snappy rejoinder if that comes to pass.

By BamaBrave

February 18, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Boy was I off… I meant “Jurrjens”

By Chop Chop

February 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Trash talking is fine. Plenty of us do it here. On paper, the Braves should win this division. Since the game is played on paper, Braves by 30 games. Mark it down.

By ssiscribe

February 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

*On a more timely front, you guys might not hear from Lew for a while. Euphoria-induced heart palpitations is my concern about the old dude.

Chipper just borrowed my pen to give Lew an address to send the painting. And as I’m walking away, Bobby walks out of the dugout and Chipper says, “Coxy, this is my friend, Lew.” Lew then showed Bobby his painting of the manager….

I’m not making this up.*

Wow. And I picked a trip to the mountains this weekend instead of going to spring training. THAT moment right there in and of itself would’ve been worth the trip to Dark Star. Classic!

Now, Soriano: Ron, dude, indeed Soriano hit a rough patch in July and August, allowing six homers in 24.1 innings. But check out his September numbers: 1-0. 0.69 ERA, 3-for-3 in save opportunities, four hits allowed, three walks and SEVENTEEN strikeouts in 13 innings.

Who do you suggest be the closer? Moylan established himself as one of the better set-up men in baseball last season. Acosta, who I think has closer’s stuff, has only part of one season under his belt (granted, he pitched well).

Part of Soriano’s ineffectiveness last year came as a result of not having pitched a full season in either 2005 or 2006. In 2007, Soriano set career highs in appearances and innings pitched.

Dude has great stuff and the ability to be, in my opinion, one of the better closers in baseball. Having bullpen stability ahead of him only will help. And he knows his role now. Remember, he was the third option to close last year, after Wickman and Gonzalez.

So yes, he hit a rough spell in late summer. I was there when Pujols took him deep in the eighth in late July as the Cards spoiled a great outing by Chuck James and gave Wainwright the victory. I was there in early August when Houston’s Mike Lamb hit a slam off him in the eighth to tie a game the Braves eventually lost in 13 innings (the slam coming in the same inning Edgar hurt his ankle; one could argue the division was lost in that gruesome top of the eighth).

But I think Soriano is going to have a big year. He’ll blow a few saves, sure, all closers do. But 35-40 saves is not out of the question at all.

Did you guys see that prank on Kyle Kendrick of the Phils? I saw it on ESPN this morning and nearly choked on my coffee. The Phils told Kendrick he’d been traded to Japan (for the dude who is the hot-dog eating champ) and had everybody — Manuel, the assistant GM, the media, the other players — in on it. Freaking hilarious!

—30—

By ssiscribe

February 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

May not have been crystal clear in my above post when I was asking about other closer options. I mentioned Moylan and Acosta, but should’ve stuck a sentence in there saying both of those guys really need to be locked into the set-up roles.

The bullpen having defined roles right out of the gate will help everybody. Too much flux down there last year, part of that attributed to having to use the pen so much in the middle innings. Part of that, too, the revolving door in the ninth inning. And still, bully had one of the top two or three ERAs in the NL last year (can’t remember if the group was second or third).

Ron, nice story on Braves.com from Mark Bowman about Soriano (maybe Mark will ask Lew for a Major Harris or Pat White drawing). Good numbers in there I didn’t see it when I posted my above response, but check that piece out and you’ll see Soriano was spot-on solid for most of the season, the aforementioned July-August period notwithstanding.

I really, really think Soriano is gong to be a helluva closer, and the Braves locking him up for the next two years is a fantastic move.

—30—

By Chop Chop

February 18, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Maybe Lew should surprise Bowman with a drawing of Rich Rodriguez leaving Morgantown like a thief in the night?

By McFann

February 18, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Holy cow!! Lew got introduced to Bobby?? Dude!! That’s awesome!! Wait’ll I tell my mother!! She’s gonna be jealous…

Speaking of Bobby, try this on for size, ROBERT (if you’re still around):

“You might put other managers on the equal with Bobby Cox,” said Braves special assistant Bobby Dews, who began the first of two stints on Cox’s coaching staff in 1979. “But I don’t see how you could ever put anybody in front of him.”

That’s nuthin but the truth!!

Hey, BTW, did any of you read Calvin and Hobbes yesterday? It was pretty funny.

Oh, and that article by Stark was lamo!!

By ssiscribe

February 18, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

That’s COLD, Chop Chop. DOB, ask Bowman if he saw RR pumpin’ up the masses at the Michigan/OSU hoop game yesterday.

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By 22oz

February 18, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

In honor of Lew’s time at Dark Star:

When you wish upon a star Makes no difference who you are Anything your heart desires Will come to Lew!

Note to self: Learn how to paint. Very jealous Lew!

By McFann

February 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

22oz re your 11:22 post—

Now that was hilarious!!

By MiamiBravesFan

February 18, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

hey DOB

I am traveling to Orlando this weekend. And on Sunday I want to stop at Champions Field to see the Braves workout.

Could you tell me what time they start, what time they finish, any info that could help me know when to be there so I can see them up close on Sunday the 24th

By Roman Gal

February 18, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

scribe, that prank was hilarious!! Poor kid was probably about to start crying.

By The Douche

February 18, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

This would make Lew the most famous artist in Orlando if it wasn’t for that prick called Walt Disney.

Is it true that Walt Disney defrosted because he was so angry Lew got to meet Chipper and Bobby?

By Braveheart

February 18, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Scribe, that was a real good point about Soriano and his increased workload as compared to the 3 previous seasons. I also think the abuse due to the back end of the rotation took a toll on him during that period of time. But also, relievers sometimes just go through those kinds of stretches during the season:

Mariano Rivera, April 15 to May 20, 2007: 12 appearances, 10.7 innings, 11 earned runs, 16 hits, 3 walks, 10 Ks

Rafael Soriano, July 14 to Agusut 11, 2007: 14 appearances, 14 innings, 11 earned runs, 15 hits, 4 walks, 14 Ks

Billy Wagner, August 10 to September, 26, 2007: 18 appearances, 18 innings, 13 earned runs, 22 hits, 9 walks, 22 Ks

**Trevor Hoffman, August 5 to October 1, 2007: 20 appearances, 18.3 innings, 12 earned runs, 28 hits, 7 walks, 19 Ks

Trevor Hoffman, rest of season: 39 innings, 7 earned runs, 21 hits, 8 walks, 25 Ks,

Mariano Rivera, rest of season: 59.7 innings, 14 earned runs, 52 hits, 9 walks, 64 Ks

Rafael Soriano, rest of season: 58 innings, 13 earned runs, 32 hits, 11 walks, 56 Ks

Billy Wagner, rest of season: 50.3 innings, 7 earned runs, 33 hits, 9 walks, 4 home runs, 58 Ks

By t-bone

February 18, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

this is honestly the first time in four years, i am not worried about our closer situation. sariano will be great, i truly believe it. there are other things to be more nervous about…, like kotsay and the starting rotation. now, what will happen if (i know…) hampton is really ready to go after spring training? no place for james in my view. will they trade him?

By Wayne in Utah (Hee Haw)

February 18, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Congrats Lew!!!

Darn jealous here in Utah!

:-)

By Lew

February 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

22Oz-If you learn to paint my fame will be fleeting. Yes, all that DOB says is true (though the heart palpitations were more from the 5 miles Disney makes everyone walk to get from the parking lot-even with a Handicapped Tag). Chipper was quite accommodating, signing MANY autographs for fans.

Wurlitzers were discussed at Disney today. There will be many available at the start of the season, as Braves’ players have all signed for many Talking to Bobby Cox was, contrary to Robert’s opinion, a treat. He was truly a nice person. Several bloggers who read but do not post came up and introduced themselves. Got to meet the Lovely Carroll Rogers, as well. All in all a great day.

Trolls-No, I’m not full of myself. Y’all are the ones that keep mentioning my name, not me-which was the point I was making. Sometimes it seems you come here to give me grief as you mention me in so many posts. As far as I’m concerned, Anders, MetroDude and the MetsPussy can all go have a circle jerk and leave us alone. Actually, nothing would make us happier than if you all disappeared, never to return.

ChoppinMama-I did get a Yates autograph today.

By MetsPussycat

February 18, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

“As far as I’m concerned, Anders, MetroDude and the MetsPussy can all go have a circle jerk and leave us alone. Actually, nothing would make us happier than if you all disappeared, never to return.”

“The Artist formerly know as Lew”….As a matter of fact ive always looked at you to be one of the most knowledgeable braves fan as well as BASEBALL fans on here and I respected that!

But..Circle jerk? Did someone steal your name and post this nonsense? From what ive read from you in the past this doesnt even sound like you! I could be wrong on that! Dont become a whiner cuz METS fans come on here to blog too though! Its a PUBLIC place! Also…I rarely ever respond to you personally! I probably mentioned your name more times yesterday than I have in 4 months just cuz you were giving s.h.i.t to us! All in the fun of blogging..remember? Has the sun got you flustered? Keep the half of my name that you seem to remember so well, off your chopping block!! Be flattered we mention you…your like the METS always on everybodys mind!!!

LETS GO METS!!!!

By R. E. H.

February 18, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

If Kotsay can hit .260 or so and not do the Keystone Kops thing in center he will be a big upgrade, for all of A.J’s ability if your off the base paths your costing your team outs and RBI opportunities. Consider you get 27 outs in a game and one man takes 4 of those right off the bat, well he hurt Chip more than anything.

By R. E. H.

February 18, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

If Kotsay can hit .260 or so and not do the Keystone Kops thing in center he will be a big upgrade, for all of A.J’s ability if your off the base paths your costing your team outs and RBI opportunities. Consider you get 27 outs in a game and one man takes 4 of those right off the bat, well he hurt Chip more than anything.

By Robert

February 19, 2008 1:38 AM | Link to this

“You might put other managers on the equal with Bobby Cox,” said Braves special assistant Bobby Dews, who began the first of two stints on Cox’s coaching staff in 1979. “But I don’t see how you could ever put anybody in front of him.”

I think that statement qualifies Dews to get drug tested

By Jackson Applejack

February 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

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