Braves

By Dave

September 27, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

First? I am sorry that Andruw probably won’t be here next year… I am sure that the pitchers will miss his glove in center… But, Bora$ is still upset that Andruw basically acted alone for the first signing. I wish that there was still team loyalty these days. ‘Druw will miss playing for Bobby, because he will be benched if he continues to play like this for another team. Just my two cents. I will miss you, Andruw…

By Paladin

September 27, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

Goodbye Andruw, we hardly knew ya.

By Wayne in Utah

September 27, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Dave Decent (great) post on AJ/Boras. Just what most of us had suspected. I think you are right about getting a caretaker for a year or so. Much will depend on how we go about improving the rotation. The infield and outfield will shake out after the pitching is defined (who is left, and who is gone.

Does Boras listen to any of the stats that you quote? Or, does he just hang his hat on the “one bad year” story? I suspect I would do the same, but I sure tire of hearing AJ talk about it being up to the Braves, when it really isn’t.

I am personally glad the Braves cut their losses sometimes versus signing a long term, highly questionable contract (Hampton was an inherited one).

Thanks again for the decent (great) work!

By AJ Soprano

September 27, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

Lyrical ziti DOB! Lyrical ziti!

By ncscoots

September 27, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

Holy Cornelia. My guess is that GMs the world over will be ringing the phone of Notorious DOB, asking for his AJ research. Sometimes you can only fight evil (Boras) with evil (this year’s AJ stats).

Yikes and jeepers, I knew it was bad, but some of those numbers are cats-living-with-dogs, end-of-the-universe bad.

By Vick Supporter

September 27, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

Who cares

By cooper

September 27, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

AJ may be gone but if Boras pushes the BS too hard and treats AJ like a simpleton he may give Boras the bird and offer the Braves 5/75.

I hope they shoot for more than Cameron b/c waiting on a rookie CF when you have an ok LF and a ok RF is not giving me the warm n fuzzies.

You need at least one stud/power bat in the outfield and right now we have none.

By Wayne in Utah

September 27, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

We spot them at least a run again. Hard to stage “the miracle of ‘07” playing this kind of “D”.

By Peter

September 27, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this

I don’t really care if AJones comes back He seemed lost at the plate this year and very apathetic when he struck out or got out Let him go and use the money for pitching Move Willie Harris to center and play Diaz in left They need Chuck James to smarten up and grab another quality pitcher.

By Caleb

September 27, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

I like KJ alot as a player, but I think Escobar has to be playing in some or all of these games when right handers are pitching against the Braves. It’s amazing since he’s a rookie, but if the Braves are in a situation where they have to have a hit or a big play made, the first player I think of now on this team is Escobar. The kid is clutch.

By Wayne in Utah

September 27, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

4-0 with nobody out yet!!! We gotta get the sticks out tonight!

By Caleb

September 27, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

I can’t watch the game on tv, what just happened?? How did Jimmy Rollins score from first on a bunt???

By Caleb

September 27, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

well, nevermind.

By Scott Boras

September 27, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

30 mill a year. Rack it.

By Dave

September 27, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Caleb, I couldn’t agree with you more. Escobar needs to be in there every night…the kid is better than Furcal when he first came up in ‘00. This is going to be a long nite for Braves fans, me thinks…

By TennesseePaul

September 27, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Damnit! Pull up the new blog and it appears Borass has been reading along with us. He’s on to the no limit talk on payroll and isn’t about to let his slice of the pie be small.

And on top of that, I pull up the game and we’re down by 2 after 2 errors!?!? What gives?

By Wayne in Utah

September 27, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

cooper so, you don’t think a 100+ rbi RF with a 290 average is not studly enough? Also, the Diaz/Harris platoon in LF has done OK this year. Power is power, whether you get it from the outfielders, infielders or catcher.

Peter Willie will either be gone, or on the bench next year. He was great for the middle 2 months of the season, but returned to form the last two months.

Caleb Agreed with your assessment of Escobar, but do you sit KJ? You can’t sit Renteria or Hoss. I don’t see where BC can do it any differently right now, as KJ does not deserve to be benched either.

Just some thoughts.

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

For instance: Braveheart, a Wulitzer winner, and I have had “moments”. I have had words with him; he has had paragraphs with me.

Paladin, do I write paragraphs or do I write one really long winded run on sentence that contains if, and, but, for, therefore, furthermore, however, further, plus, comma, comma, comma, misplaced comma, misplaced comma, misplaced comma, semicolon, semicolon, semicolon, if, and, but, for, furthermore, blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, blather?

They might look like paragraphs Paladin. Sadly, they’re just run on sentences with so many grammatical mistakes Ernest Hemingway would shoot himself if he read ‘em. Norman Mailer would just stab me. Truman Capote would rewrite it and tell me to call myself Harper Lee.

By Paladin

September 27, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Holy sh!t! Fat Lady tune up.

By Skinny Andruw

September 27, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this

Goodbye Andruw, we hardly knew ya.

Correction, Paladin. You hardly knew the skinny Andruw. You’ve know the Fat Elvis Andruw for too long unfortunately.

By beki

September 27, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

Best to let AJ go. I hate to say it but I certainly don’t want the Braves to ruin their payroll just to placate Boras’s avaricious nature;besides, AJ doesn’t need another car.

By Frank Sinatra

September 27, 2007 7:33 PM | Link to this

Start spreading the news, the Mets are losing today………….

By Dave

September 27, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

After that pop up (yet again), Bora$ can get Andruw more money from another team.

By Paladin

September 27, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

Braveheart :>)!!!

By TennesseePaul

September 27, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

Any way you split a terrible season, it’s still terrible.

4 nothin. We better start slugging tonight. This blows. If this eventually allows the Phillies to take the East, and the Padres to take the WC while the Mets sit out, I’ll live with it. But I won’t be happy… or at least, I’ll be moody, surly, but the Mets Meltdown will cheer me up.

I hope we do not sign Cameron. Sorry. I can’t get on that boat. The guy is out for the year with a torn UCL. Could be wrong on the part, but the point is, he’s injured. He’s always injured. And when he’s healthy, he hits .250.

By person

September 27, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

Who CARES if you are the first to comment?! Congratulations, you have accomplished something important in life, loser.

By Caleb

September 27, 2007 7:39 PM | Link to this

Wayne, I don’t think it’s an issue of who deserves to be benched or not. I wish Escobar and KJ could both be playing, but that’s not possible and you have to go with your best player/option, and that’s Escobar.

By PV=nRT

September 27, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

Andruw gone? I hope so. Tubby is on the slippery slope down. I’ll sure miss that imbecilic grin after every f-up. NOT.

He’s just not on the right team. He can’t be the #2 (or #3) production guy. Put him on the Yanks, or another loaded team, he’ll do ok.

And PLEASE don’t bring back Glavine. It would be nice if Bobby retired too.

By Bring me the head of frank further

September 27, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

You guys are the reason I am on medication.

By Jake

September 27, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

I’m not buying this whole notion of “mathematical elimination”. I think it’s just an excuse concocted by the guy who wrote “Moneyball”…SABR nerds be damned.

By Wayne in Utah

September 27, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

As much as I appreciate AJ’s performance for the past 10 years, he really hasn’t helped himself with some of the TV/press exposure recently.

While I do not begrudge the players their money, this sort of exposure starts making them look greedy to some of us commoners.

By NCBravesFan

September 27, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this

Boras can say AJ is going to bounce back at the plate, but I think a team like the Braves (limited resources) would be stupid to give five years in the hope that Boras is correct.

It’s been great AJ … thanks for all the memories.

By Wayne in Utah

September 27, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

Caleb Hard to disagree with your point. Tough choices!

By True Braves Fan

September 27, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

Peter: Willie Harris in cf? A .277 average with 2 HR/31 RBI in 332 AB’s + 1 strike out every 5 AB’s, and most of those have come in the second half of his bats. I doubt if you see Willie in Braves uni next year…Richmond? Maybe.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this

Phillies winning, muts losing… poor mets……..they might miss playoffs. If SD wins tonight along with colorado……. i wouldnt wanna be willie R

By Shaun

September 27, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul, Cameron’s OBP and SLG are very respectable for a centerfielder who won’t command many years or dollars, relatively speaking, of course. He’s played in under 140 games in a season only once since 1998. He played in 150 this season before getting hurt.

Plus his numbers look more impressive if you take away the fact he plays in probably the most pitcher-friendly park in baseball. Cameron is a fine option that would give the Braves a lot of flexibility.

By PV=nRT

September 27, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

So much for Smoltz’s under 3 era season.

Chipper’s batting crown is the only hope.

By macdwolfpack

September 27, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

If what you say is true hooray. If Andruw is going to continue to be hard-headed and stubborn at the plate trying to pull every pitch (and he’s shown no attitude or aptitude differently)then no he’s never going to be much better than he was this year for anyone. The only reason Andruw has such a year is he either is extremely selfish at the plate or totally ignorant of situational hitting(which several of these Braves are). So God Bless you Andruw, the Braves get twice as much production from that spot as they got this year for half that salary next year.

By Caleb

September 27, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

The mets better get their amazin’ bullpen warmed up, their pitching savior, pedro, is getting knocked around.

By Earl

September 27, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

Let the most over rated player in the major leagues go. AJ has never lived up to expectations.

By Goat Horns

September 27, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

I don’t see why people are holidng their breath wanting Andruw to come back for another year.

I for one am tired of watching his offensive struggles. This year is not an abberation. His swing was horrible the second half of last year and it has obviously continued throughout this season.

He refuses to change. I am tired of his act at any price. He is the biggest reason we will not make the playoffs this year. Not the pitching.

By Edgar

September 27, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

Fat Lady is singing really loud with a large crowd

By Salty

September 27, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

Boras is being an agent…doing his job, clouding perception and reality.

If Andruw wants to be a Brave, it’s in his court…period…just align his heart with the how the Braves need to run their business. If and when he questions why he’s no longer a Brave, he merely needs to linger in front of the mirror. Andruw…how do you spell happiness?

By Shaun

September 27, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

Earl, Andruw’s been an above average hitter and one of the best centerfielders ever (except for this year). What are the expectations?

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

Great pedro is getting hit hardddddddd.

About AJ…… all i know is that there is no way on earth we cant get someone that could put better numbers AJ put this year. Boras is a clown and he only makes baseball worse everyday…… how the hell does he dreams of 5-75 for a guy that kills every hope a team has every time he comes to bat. I can only recall some 7 big hits or BB all year for this guy. Even if this guy hits 50HR and drives 200 runs……… i wont miss him. His defense? man, what i saw this year from him is the same edgar said about his .220 AVG only on defense. No good throws, not as good jumps as before, less fire while running for a ball already over his head. Fresh star in CF will be nice. Im 100% sure about that one. Anybody that is able to hit a sac fly, less than 100k and less than 20 DP would be nice, the sarcastic smile i can take.

Ill be the 1st one celebrating when he signs anywhere else. I hope it is in NY or Boston. Wish you the best AJ anyway. Good luck, you are gonna need it.

Im not sure boras is gonna find many teams that will be willing to sign 5 years a 220 hitter, maybe the 25m a year, but not the 5 years.

By Savannah Guy

September 27, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

Scoots: All good points and agreed that the variables are endless. My Magic 8-Ball said, “we’ll never know”. Then I shook it again it said, “Yes”. Too bad I had forgotten to ask it a question. Shook again and, “move on dummy”. Dammit. Ah well, but serially, whatever variables were used this year obviously didn’t work for the Bravos. Bobby has lost a lot of his support system these last few years. It’s shown.

Hey, did you see my post the other day about Blog-Brevity Spring Training in Orlando?

By BG

September 27, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

Ouch…slinking out of Philadelphia like a team with nothing left to play for.

Boras might be right about the “one-year” blip — it isn’t unusual in players’ careers. The problem is that he might be wrong, too. And it is really tough to pull the trigger on that gamble. As for whether Andruw has “met expectations” — it all depends on how high you set the bar. Defensively? He certainly has met my expectations. Offensively? His typical .265/30 HR/100 RBI is pretty good production — especially for a player giving you gold glove defense at a critical position.

How much stock to put in Boras’ call? I’m shocked, shocked that he still rants about a record breaking contract.

By A-ville Ranger

September 27, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this

Ain’t that somethin’ after all the great play to stave off elimination, it’s our two aces who get torched for the final nails in the proverbial coffin.

By Patrick

September 27, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

hey guys. i was at the game in philly last night and was perched out by the braves’ bullpen the whole game. don’t get me wrong, i am no fan of philly, but i will have to give it to their fans, they gave our bullpen heck the whole game. we need to do this in atlanta. check out this video of their fans heckling peter moylan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmL_fQT6xr4

By BossLady

September 27, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

I will miss Andruw. He has not performed like he should have performed. Every year he has his numbers that are required and that saved his job. He has more money now than he will ever spend and his children or family will never have to worry about anything. I just don’t believe he is leaving. Scott Boras is blowing his own horn and trying to use the media to force tha Braves and Andruw’s hand. Could be wrong, but I don’t even think Andruw authorized that phone call to DOB. If Boras can get Andruw on the outs with the Braves it will give him the power to negotiate. Has anyone actually had any information from Andruw and JS about what they are looking to do. Boras is like a jealous “outside mistress” that call the man’s wife to make sure he goes through with the divorce. Let’s see what the Braves organization and Andruw put together in their talks after the end of the season. I am just a suspicious person and find motive with opportunist actions of Boras.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

Todays performance by smoltzie is a clear and loud wakeup call for some of you and for the front office. Johnny will not be anything but a good #3 next year. His is downhill, slowly but surely. He might have a nice summer, but his arm will not be full steam como september and october. We need another #2 to be sure we will have a chance for postseason and more. Getting to playoffs with smoltz as our best hope wont get it done……. he was the best in postseason, but time is not stopping. I would go get a #1, tim #2 and smoltz#3, if hampton is fine he could be #4 and we will all be relaxed.

But knowing the way of working for the braves front office, they will start the season making experiments and see if hampton is ok, etc. If hapmton is not ready, then theyll start looking AAA and possible trades. By the time they figure it out, we are in 3rd place again.

By StingerSplash

September 27, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

In light of Andruw’s almost certain departure from the Braves, I figured perhaps the elegant and brilliant “Last Goodbye” by the late, great Jeff Buckley would be a good choice for blog song of the day. Alas, no.

By Don

September 27, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this

I can’t imagine why any GM would sit through a presentation of Scott Boras propaganda or even read it. Listening to 25 minutes of his blather must be right up there with listening to a speech by the head of the DNC or RNC.

Do GMs really pay any attention to the propaganda Boras puts together to explain why his client ___ (fill in the blank) is the most special and unique player in the history of baseball? Do GMs have to stoop so low as to actually humor that blowhard?

For every player who bounced back from a non-injury related decline like Andruw’s of the last 2 seasons (sorry Scotty, Andruw has sucked for 2 years, not 1), I’d guess one could come up with 5 to 10 who never got back close to their former productivity once they took that kind of a slide. Braves fans remember Dale Murphy’s rapid descent in his early 30’s all too well.

Of course Boras is going to say Andruw won’t take a one year deal and that 5 years $75 million isn’t enough. What else would he say?

I suspect that if any team is dumb enough to give Andruw a 4-5 year deal without a weight clause he’s going to show up in training camp next spring looking like Mo Vaughn.

By Brad in KY

September 27, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this

DOB

Last I checked, runs scored in the first six innings count as much as runs scored in the last three. The Braves scores lots of runs. The obvious and glaring defect with this team is that they lack consistent starting pitching after Smoltz and Hudson (didn’t you just post about their pitching stats the other day, showing that Smoltz and Hudson account for virtually all of their success?).

Let’s call it like it is. Offense ain’t the problem. Defense ain’t the problem. Starting pitching is the problem.

By True Braves Fan

September 27, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

Wayne: I have no problem sitting a player (KJ) who is hitting around .200 for the last month; looks at a lot of called 3rd strikes; and either makes an error, or fails to make a play in critical situations. Escobar should be in there every day. I was sure we would lose last night when I saw that Bobby was sticking with his platoon, and leaving Escobar on the bench. Ditto for tonight. The only game we have won this series is the one one Escobar played, and hit two 2B.

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this

Savannah, brevity training in spring training is a go. paladin is flying us. we’ll have to make room for his blowup doll though.

Wayne, I was thinking the same thing about Andruw. If you are about to get greedy, why exactly are you gonna show off how much you are big pimping with your house, cars, tattoos? Way too much exposure. I’m glad he has everything he dreamed of and it does not bother me personally but you would think a p.r. person would tell him that is not the kind of smart move that is going to endear people to you when you leave.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this

BossLady i agree with you, boras is just trying to press the braves, trying to get his won share on this one. The guy deserves a plane crash. I dont think AJ has said that, he comes from a poor place and this guys are humble, i think AJ knows he owes the braves. At least thats my point of view. Plus he wants to stay, dont think he is sees himself as superman at this time in the season, with his performance this year, i think he would be thinking he will be lucky if anybody wants him, his self esteem is low, no matter if you are baby ruth, with the kind of year he just had, he is looking for acceptance, not for demanding.

By A-ville Ranger

September 27, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

If Braves management decided not to sign any Bora$$ client I’d be all for it,that includes Tex.I simply can’t stand the guy.

By Frank E Canaday

September 27, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this

Wow…not often I read “all the way down”…but this is GOOD STUFF…and FUNNY TOO!!! Borass is just that…a “bore” for quoting stats that suck x10 as said, look at the last 2 years…sorry no “one year blip” here and “as_” because he’s all about HIS $ and trying to “blow smoke” up ours…best wishes to AJ…seems like a nice guy that 40 years ago might’ve had enough personal pride to ask the team to keep him for a chance to “prove” himself…but alas, pro sports long ago got off that “bus”…thank-you: Mr. Flood, Mr. Messersmith, Mr. Fehr, Mr. Glavine, Mr. Steinbrener, et.al. Go Tiger W.!!

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this

(In light of Andruw’s almost certain departure from the Braves, I figured perhaps the elegant and brilliant “Last Goodbye” by the late, great Jeff Buckley would be a good choice for blog song of the day. Alas, no.*

Stingersplash I was thinking more of Jeff Buckley’s Hallelujah.

By BossLady

September 27, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this

I saw his family and home in today’s AJC. He has a beautiful wife and son. I know, just like Glavine they don’t want to go on the road and never be home. If he goes to another city home games and road games will all be road games to him. He loves Bobby Cox and it is mutual. I wouldn’t be surprised if he would platoon next year with another better bat in center.

By StingerSplash

September 27, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this

DOB,

25 minutes on the phone with Scott Boras? How much disinfectant did you use afterward to get the ooze of Boras off you?

Wait a minute … back-to-back shots from Chipper and Tex? Don’t tease us, boys. Go ahead and finish this and not stage one of those 1-run shy rallies, please?

By Mark

September 27, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this

True Braves Fan, you are absolutely right. This is BOBBY!

Diaz 2 for 2. What is Andruw? Who cares, GOOD RIDDANCE!

Thanks Chipper!

Thanks Texeira!

Better late than never!

It’s a shame that guys like Smoltz and Hudson can’t get as many runs as Chuck James!

Hudson and Smoltz should be 20 game winners!

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this

MUTS SUCK SO MUCH, THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS ON THEIR OWN, THEY NEED THE BRAVES TO HELP THEM….. PATHETIC!!!!!!

By Tomahawkin' Again

September 27, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this

I know we just went back to back to cut the lead in half, but deep down, aren’t we hoping the Phils can catch the Muts? Hey, I want the Braves to win as bad as the next fan, but really, what’s the difference between 87-75, 86-76 and 85-77 when you’re not in the playoffs? God, I HATE NEW YORK!

By Dave

September 27, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

person, Wow…I am in awe of your writing abilities! It must take, what, a fourth grader to call someone a “loser” on a Braves blog? I think that I hear mommy calling you for dinner. Hey, Scott Baio called, and wants his “Chachi” nickname back.

By Sign of the Times

September 27, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

The Yankees are playing their second string unit today and Robinson Cano is still only good enough to hit sixth. Sign of the times.

By bravesfan

September 27, 2007 8:42 PM | Link to this

Just thinking about it, I mean next year is really going to be one of the last times we have a really good team (unless the minor league players are REALLY good) cause I mean the of all of these players/managers could be gone (possibly): Tex, Chipper, Smoltz, Andruw, Renteria, and Bobby. Who else???

By Mark

September 27, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Overlord the Mets have sucked all year, which is why it’s so frustrating that we haven’t overtaken them.

You guys still want KELLY!

EASY DOUBLEPLAY AND HE BLOWS IT!

WHY IS HE IN THE GAME, OH YEAH BECAUSE OF BOBBY!!

By David O'Brien

September 27, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

A-Ville Ranger, if you’re all for them not signing Teixeira … well, that’s letting distaste for the man’s agent severely cloud your judgment. Teixeira is a MUST to re-sign, even if it’s about $18 mill per, I’d suggest. Just because he turned down $18 mill per year from Texas doesn’t at all mean he’d turn down that from Braves, by the way.

He loves playing for Braves, having the most fun of his career, and all that.

Now, if it goes above $20 mill, where Boras is going to probably try to get it, well, then Tex becomes too expensive unless Braves take their payroll back to $100 mill or higher.

By David O'Brien

September 27, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

Brad in Kentucky, what part of this sentence I wrote in the blog are you having trouble with:

“Yes, the lack of starting-pitch depth was their biggest downfall, obviously.”

By Mark

September 27, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this

What’s up with MCCANN!!

THIS IS BOBBY’S BRAVES!

Play so good when it doesn’t count. Beat Florida, Nats, Brewers, and then choke!

Renteria took that one himself.

Even he doesn’t trust Kelly!

By journalist jimmy smith

September 27, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

dob this is important! please ask andruw, if andruw leaves can jimmy smith have one of andruw’s cars? thanks.

By PV=nRT

September 27, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this

Some say Joe Simpson is a homer. Well, he just criticized McCann’s defense again.

Never should have given him a big contract. Saltalamachia will have a better career. Another bonehead move by Scheurholz.

By True Braves Fan

September 27, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

Additional point on Escobar over KJ…KJ just muffed a DP grounder. Edgar and ump saved him from an error.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

DOB, great blog topic! This is the best news you have give us all year!

You do a good job DOB! REALLY!

By David O'Brien

September 27, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

A few stats I meant to put in the blog and forgot to insert at the late hour (but will now):

Before tonight, here’s how many guys were struggling for the Braves, most of them young and/or inexperienced guys in their first or second FULL season in majors.

McCann hasn’t had an extra-base hit in 13 games before tonight, and Francoeur has’t homered in 63 at-bats over past 16 games before tonight. But here’s the full thing:

— McCann was 9-for-42 (.214) with zero extra-base hits and four RBIs in 13 games before tonight.

— Francoeur was 10-for-49 (.204) with four doubles, no homers and six RBIs in 12 games.

— Kelly Johnson was 15-for-74 (.203, yikes) with two doubles, one homer, five RBIs and 19 strikeouts in his past 21 games.

— Matt Diaz was 15-for-61 (.246) with two doubles, no homers, seven RBIs and 15 strikeouts in his past 20 games.

— Willie Harris was 8-for-74 (.108; oh, my) with four extra-base hits, six RBis and 19 strikeouts i his past 27 games.

— And Andruw? He had a .214 average and .291 OBP in his past 127 games, and seven homers, 29 RBIs and 48 strikeouts in 218 at-bats over his past 59 games.

Whew. That about covers it.

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Mark,

Hudson has had a ton of run support this year.

Smoltz’ problems are not lack of run support. He just went up against other good pitchers and 14 times this year was just not better than the other pitchers. He’s great but he came up short himself quite a few times for the team this year. The woe is poor John the Martyr act gets a little tiresome.

The Braves are 18-14 this year when Smoltz starts (presuming they lose tonight). Here are the ERAs of this pitchers the Braves have lost to when Smoltz starts (presuming they lose again tonight):

April 12 - Bergmann - 3.72 ERA

May 14 - Bergmann - 2.76 ERA

May 29 - Ben Sheets - 3.82 ERA

June 5 - Vandenhurk - 8.50 ERA

June 22 - Kenny Rogers - 0.00 ERA

July 2 - Derek Lowe - 2.98 ERA

July 18 - Harang - 3.63 ERA

July 28 - Doug Davis -4.11 ERA

August 3 - Jeff Francis - 4.01 ERA

August 8 - El Duque - 3.08 ERA

August 28 - Vandenhurk - 6.59 ERA - but only 1 earned run in 11 innings against the 2007 Braves

September 2 - Glavine - 4.06 ERA

September 12 - Maine - 3.72 ERA

September 27 - Kendrick - 3.87 ERA

The only bum the Braves lost to all year when Smoltz was pitching was Vandenhurk with the Marlins but he also seemed to just have the Braves number this year.

I’m sorry. John is a great pitcher but sometimes he just is not better than the other pitcher. 14 times this year he wasn’t.

But that’s been the Braves problems for years. When their great pitchers are evenly matched or somewhat similarly matched by the other team’s starters, the deficiencies in bullpen, bench, defense, smallball, clutch hitting, managerial strategy, and in the GM providing a COMPLETE roster become glaring.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

DOB good point about how this team wasted so many opportunities with runners on base.

We just saw another example of this in the 7th inning.

3 baserunners, no runs.

We have actually out hit this team.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

SD is winning 4-1, looks like the muts are in a 3 way tied in 2nd place for the WC.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

Shaun are you watching this KELLY JOHNSON DEFENSIVE DISPLAY.

That is your BOY Shaun!

Typical Braves. Play well in meaningless games to get yourself back into it and then find ways to lose in the big games.

Maybe we are better Spoilers, than Contenders!

By True Braves Fan

September 27, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

1. KJ just muffed another grounder. 2. I can’t come down on McCann yet. We have to remember how many games he is catching. Maybe next year we can have a good backup (Pena?) and he won’t have to catch every day. I think then that both his offense and defense will be gretly improved.

By Edgar

September 27, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

Man,what a defense we have in this game.Thanks kelly that backhand play at 2nd, my 10 year old nephew could make it,Hubbard should spend the entire spring training working in that play.

By BravesRule72000

September 27, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

Well…as much as I like Andruw, I am so happy that we will see him in the bottom of another team’s order. I have heard rumors of the Padres?!? That would work…he could take his .220 average and hit behind Marcus Giles .230 average…and together they could score 5 runs all season maybe! Jokes aside…I agree Texeira is a MUST SIGN along with another starting pitcher…but I think we need ROWAND instead of Mike Cameron mainly because Cameron has only hit over .260 4 seasons out of the 12 he’s played and he seems to get hurt alot but Rowand is a habitual .280 hitter and has hit good with RISP

By Skip

September 27, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

Dirty Sonsabiches!

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

You are right Brave Heart. What you said reminded me of how we used to look in the playoffs when we faced good pitching. Everything you stated was TRUE!

By Don

September 27, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

DOB, seriously, can you explain why Boras can “take it” anywhere with regard to what teams offer his clients? If you’re the Braves or any other team, it seems to me that you do your own work and comparisons and decide how much to offer (if you even make an offer) based on a combination of what you think the player is worth, the needs of your team and your budget.

Unless GMs are complete incompetents, they pay no more attention to what Boras thinks his clients are worth than you or I are going to pay to a sales pitch from a used car salesman (no insult intended to used car salesmen).

Schuerholz and Cox have spent their adult lives in baseball and watched virtually every inning in the field and every at bat Andruw has had in the major leagues. Would Schuerholz really sit and pretend to care about what Boras claims Andruw is worth? Would he or any other GM really offer $1 more or less to Andruw because Scott Boras is Andruw’s agent?

By doc

September 27, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this

shawn, since you disputed it when i suggested that the late innings were a downfall just a week after dob had put the stats out maybe the second time around it will hit home. the braves went through the season expecting or hoping for breaks rather than making them. it was if they were saying to the pen we got you enough runs now shut them down the last 3 innings. is that bred in the off season when they go looking for that perfect combo of three pitchers to take them every night to the end after the 6th. it took its toll on the arms and maybe bobby needs to re-evaluate his use of the bull pen during the seaason maybe it puts too much pressure on it as well as the position players and their own waped expectations. didnt chipper just go the route that pitching aint what it used to be? how many pitchers wore an atlanta uni? was it inordinate in comparison the the rest of the majors or is it moere a sign of the times?

statistically speaking the starting pitching probably wasnt much worse than the mets, phillies, yankees or the red sox as many teams were making it up as the went. so though it isnt what we are used to it probably could have been helped by some offensive execution that we used to always see in the field behind the pitchers; hit and run, hits behind the runner and bunts to move people up with timely hitting not the stirke outs that seemed to mount up during pressure situations.

By Savannah Guy

September 27, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Braveheart: Spring Grapefruit League Brevity Training. Scribe was gonna be way too busy entertaining his wife in Vegas, buying her diamonds and mink coats and cadillacs such. So, if Scoots and Scribe are profs, Paladin is the pilot (sure we want to fly in that old crop duster?) and Lew is gonna be there anyway, getting Braves portrait subject matter for next years Wurlitzer’s. Hey, we got a class, an artist and a pilot. Of course you and I are the only two needing the Brev-training. Any other long-winded denizens out there we need to invite?

By the way mister Cuz Wurlitzer winner…your 7:27 was funny as shyte. Dittos on me.

Paladin: You with a lampshade? I thought you were in the kitchen holding court, flirting with all the ladies.

Kelly: Sorry, you are no second baseman. Like you kid, but…not second.

By Tomahawkin' Again

September 27, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

The Muts have mustered an amazin’ (ha ha) 3 hits tonight. Wow, they’re a bunch of choking dogs (can I still type that? My apologies to PETA and Falcon fans everywhere). Where’s DAD? Where’s Metrosexual Man? Hello, your team is in the midst of an all-time gag job. Well deserved for you scumbag fans.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

Not much analysis to do……. get freakin #1 or #2 pitcher (use KJ in doing so) and let anyone but AJ catch balls in CF.

Nothing else is needed. Some average bench player……..nothing spectacular, just not as bad as the ones this year.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this

Another DP. DANG TEXEIRA!

You can’t do it by yourself.

KELLY IS YOUR BOY SHAUN!

Future GOLD GLOVER! (If we let you tell it.)

BOBBY PLEASE LEAVE!!

This team is too close to let you mess it up. We will improve this team next year and BOBBY will kill it. It won’t be the first time or even the tenth time.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

KJ will only get better, but we still need to stay with renteria, lillybridge is coming 2009 so there is no harm in losing KJ via trade.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

There go the muts……..they finally get pitching but they couldnt score a run………

TOP OF 9TH.

By Yars

September 27, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

The question now is, what teams are foolish enough to even consider offering Andruw some 5 year/$100 million contract? A lot of GM’s aren’t going to buy into Boras & his, Andruw is the best player in the game bull*hit. Unfortunately, there will be some team that will throw him that kind of $$$. I’m guessing either the Orioles, Yankees, Angels, or Dodgers. Andruw needs to realize hitting even .250 ain’t gonna cut it with those teams. Man, those fans will be on his *ss like a fly on warm *hit.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, you said it. What is Kelly?

Doc, Shaun is learning a great deal tonight. He thinks Kelly is a great second basemen.

The Braves bullpen should be great next year…..assuming BOBBY doesn’t misuse it.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

Thanks Overlord! You said it.

By Edgar

September 27, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

Boy,about KJ, is that i dont see that naturality that an infilder tends to have(like Escobar,Renteria,etc).He’s not a 2nd Baseman for me.I dont mind if we trade him.

By Interesting Move

September 27, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

It was proved years ago in the post season,(you can look it up) that pitchers who go on three days rest are less effective than their normal numbers going on regular rest. Their records or sub .500. The Braves have done it numerous times in the past in the playoffs and had awful results. You go into the last week needing to win 6 of 6 or 5 of 6. So instead of having Hudson and Smoltz at their best on regular rest, you pitch them both on short rest. So in effect, you cut their effectivness. 2 wins are 2 wins if its game 2 and 3 of the road trip or 3 and 4. Bobby chose to go with short rest and so instead of 2 wins, you get 2 losses. So how often do you have to do that to learn? How ‘bout never!

Oh yeah, one more thing. Spin it any way you want to. Tell me about how great these guys are. Here’s the deal. Brian McCann and Kelly Johnson are DEFENSIVE LIABILITIES.

I like McCann especially, but call a spade a spade. He’s not a very good catcher. He’s young and I hope he’ll work his butt off to get better. There is no reason to believe he won’t get better, but right now, he’s a liability.

KJ? He’s a head case both in the field and with the bat. He looks like a million bucks when he’s hitting and when he’s not, he looks scared at the plate, plain and simple.

Carry on.

By Savannah Guy

September 27, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

This may be the only night I have ever wished that the Mets Drool troll would wander in here. Think he’s on the Phillies blog talking trash about the “amazins”?

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Moylan’s a Beast!!

By Harvey

September 27, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

we must lead majors in unearnd runs please dont bring back glavine he wouldnt be the answer trade for a starter then see if acosta could start. let aj leave couldnt take another year of strike outs and ground balls to third.

By Wayne in Utah

September 27, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

I see Lillibridge being the starting second baseman in 2009 (maybe 2008?). Where does that put KJ? I say trade Renteria (as much as I love the guy) and put KJ in the outfield, if you are concerned with his D. Maybe we won’t need a CF, if we move Frenchy over for a year or two.

Wait on Schafer to develop, see which one (Schafer or Frenchy) is better suited for CF and RF.

An OF of Frenchy, Diaz, KJ, BJones, Blanco has possibilities.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this

METS LOSE!

LET’S INVADE THE METS BLOG HERE IS THE LINK:

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/mets/archives/2007/09/leftovers.html#comments

By Tomahawkin' Again

September 27, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this

Beat the Mets, beat the Mets. C’mon Marlins, lets beat the Mets. You better not gag this weekend Philly.

By Bye Andruw

September 27, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

Will I miss his defense?

Undoubtedly.

Will I miss his smile?

Not so much.

Will I miss him driving me crazy by refusing to listen to anyone trying to help him with his hitting AND giving some lame excuse like “I’m a pull hitter.”?

NO WAY!

Leave Andruw, you’re just too big and too smart to remain a Brave.

By Lifelong Braves Fan

September 27, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

I am a lifelong Braves fan, but I have to say it.

Dammit Frenchy! No home run!

Go Phillies! Beat the Mets for the East!

C’mon Myers, get this game over with!

By BG

September 27, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Anders …

No Chop Zone …

Droll boy …

anyone??? The silver lining of losing to the Phils is that it keeps those Mets trolls away.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

ANDRUW AINT WORTH A DAMN! JUST GO WE’LL PACK YOUR BAGS.

EVERYBODY TAKING GOOD CUTS, BUT HE DOES WHAT HE ALWAYS DOES.

DOB, HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE HIT THE BALL TO THIRD BASE THIS SEASON.

DIAZ 3 FOR 4 AND HE HITS OVER 100 POINTS HIGHER THAN ANDRUW. WHY DOES HE BAT BEHIND ANDRUW. HE SUCKS!

By PV=nRT

September 27, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

The only way they should keep Kelly JOhnson is if Renteria is traded. If Renteria stays, Escobar plays every game at second. Unless, of course, bobby cox is manager.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

7 game losing streak at home for the muts……. this is the biggest collapse i have seen in any sport worldwide…..you can include:

karate, judo,tennis, golf, bowling, pool, tetris, chess, football, soccer, volleyball, beach soccer, basketball, boxing, sex, swimming, diving, hiking, etc.

By True Braves Fan

September 27, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

Bloggers…How’s this for a 2008 bullpen? LHP: Gonzalez, Ring, and Mahay. RHP: Moylan, Acosta and Devine. (I would like to have Dotel, but his 5.5Mil player option looks a little steep for a set up man.) Closer: Soriano.

By Brόnnhilde

September 27, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this

Sorry my dear Braves, but here goes….

na na na Naaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Lalala Laaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

But

Mets lose too…Hahaha Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

By BRAVES FAN

September 27, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this

LETS GO MUTS!!! I love it.about two weekk ago I was told on this blog thatI was an embarrasement to every braves fan here when I said that not only were the MUTS not the best team in the NL but they were not the best team in the east.And some idiot(MUTS fan) gave some crazy statement.Does any regulars on here remember?Well I will say it again,not only do the MUTS SUCK they will not make the f**n playoffs.Man I love it.The MUTS suck.LETS GO MUT FANS,WHERE ARE YOU NOW?But then again IF? and a big if you get the wild card the division title don’t mean that much anyway,now does it?I know you are there waiting to see what BRAVES have to say well there you go.But I cannot go without saying I REALLY HATE THE MUTS!!!!!!!F THE MUTS>F THE MUTS

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

MY BOY YUNEL! DID YOU SEE THAT SHAUN! MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD MORE THAN 2 AT BATS IN THE LAST TWO GAMES, BUT THAT IS BOBBY FOR YOU.

A FITTING END TO THIS GAME. KELLY STRIKING OUT!

YOU BOY SHAUN!!! YOUR BOY!!

By Uh, it's me

September 27, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, Heigh ho, the dairy-o, a hunting we will go! A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, We’ll catch a fox and put him in a box, And then we’ll let him go!

A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, Heigh ho, the dairy-o, a hunting we will go! A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, We’ll catch a fish and put him on a dish, And then we’ll let him go!

A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, Heigh ho, the dairy-o, a hunting we will go! A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, We’ll catch a bear and cut his hair, And then we’ll let him go!

A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, Heigh ho, the dairy-o, a hunting we will go! A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, We’ll catch a pig and dance a little jig, And then we’ll let him go!

A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, Heigh ho, the dairy-o, a hunting we will go! A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, We’ll catch a giraffe and make him laugh, And then we’ll let him go!

By Edgar

September 27, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

Finally,are we mathematically eliminated???

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

METS BLOG:

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/mets/archives/2007/09/leftovers.html#comments

By BRAVES FAN

September 27, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

F THE MUTSF THE MUTS

By Shaun

September 27, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

Mark, how many games have you watched this season? And I never said Johnson was a future Gold Glover or even an average fielder. I acknowledge he’s a below average fielder. But his defense isn’t so bad that you can justify benching him. His offense is just too good. Read my posts more carefully before you make a fool of yourself, please.

By StingerSplash

September 27, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Whoodathunkit, with Hudson and Smoltz going and the Braves get outpitched. Granted, the defense gave them zero help. But oh did things look so grand at 7 p.m. Wednesday, only to be rendered absolutely meaningless right now. There’s always next year. Isn’t there?

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Any other long-winded denizens out there we need to invite?

I love him :o> but KC needs to join us in brevity training as well. Wouldn’t hurt DAP and 10Paul and Ron Roberts and N8 to undergo some brevity training with us as well.

You know, Savannah, we are both in need of brevity training so bad, DOB might order us to stay down in Florida for extended spring training.

There’s gonna be a special guest instructor: The Vampire Serbok. He’s gonna teach us the art and science of using these crazy things: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Perhaps, Bob Journalist and JJS might join us down there and try to teach us how to write like them but it will be pointless. We can’t ever achieve that. But it will be fun trying.

Miss Manners and Carolina Lady will be the instructors who teach proper blog etiquette.

Grinch will teach the being original and getting drunk courses.

Paladin and Chop Chop will teach how to be funny as hell.

Wayne will teach poetry.

Thrillhouse will teach how to be understated classy cool. Nah, he won’t teach it. He’ll say you can’t teach it, you just be it.

I will be the lecturer on the perils of blogging while drunk and losing all of your friends in the process course.

SJA will teach how to be bad, bad Leroy Brown.

Shaun will teach how to take the nastiest shots every day but never respond in kind course.

More to come….. put your name on the signup sheet

By Bob

September 27, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

I have never felt as good about a Braves loss as this one. If this collapse continues I want to hear one friggin Mets fan EVER bring up 14 Division Championships and only 1 World Series Champs. Looks like the Muts may become the first team since 1936 to blow a 7 game lead in September. The 64 Phils blew a 6.5 game lead with 12 to go. They would truly deserve the moniker “Amazins” forever. I want the Metsies to be sittin by the fireplace come Monday. Oh, would that not be great. Go Marlins and Go Phils….never thought I would pull for the Phillies for anything, but this is too good.

By NCBravesFan

September 27, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

Thanks for a good season Braves - see ya next year guys.

Anders, NCZ, Mets Drool, etc Suck it! The Met “dynasty” is over! Go Phillies!

By Shaun

September 27, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

Mark, have you paid attention all season? Have you seen what Johnson has done? Not sure what you mean by “my boy.” I have no offspring.

Why is it when you say a player is good and that player is good do some morons think that the player is your favorite?

By Savannah Guy

September 27, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

Edgar: Yes.

You are free to roam about the division.

Go Phils!

By ncscoots

September 27, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Did I somehow miss the pre-season prediction that Kelly Johnson would win a Gold Glove? Seems so, to read some of the blog. Fellas, you haven’t seen really atrocious 2B play…try Marcus Giles in the low minors. He turned out OK with the leather.

KJ picked up a 2B glove after surgery and having never played on that side of the infield. His play, with his experience level, has been excellent. But right now, that kid is just fragged, beat, worn out. And he doesn’t have enough experience at the position to compensate.

He needs rest more than anything. Then 1000 grounders to his right to make sure that hasn’t gotten in his head. But as one of the early skeptics of his ability to play the position (and NDOB can bear that out), I’m sold on the guy. The quality of his play will only improve with experience, and he’ll end up a solid infielder.

By Overlord

September 27, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Mark…… are you there already? im NO AMAZING ZONE!!!!!!

By Mark

September 27, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this

TYPICAL BRAVES IN A BIG GAME. ALL OF OUR RUNS AND MOST OF THEM IN THIS SERIES COMES VIA THE HOMER.

WHILE SHANE VICTORINO IS BUNTING AND THE PHILLIES PLAYING SMALL BALL, WE SWING FOR THE DAMN FENCES.

BOBBY GONNA TAKE THE FIRE OUT OF THESE YOUNG BRAVES! THEY ARE GONNA BE LIKE ANDRUW AND CHIPPER. IT HURTS AT FIRST, BUT THEN YOU GET USE TO IT.

HELL, IT’S A CRAP SHOOT!

PHILLIES HAVE BAD PITCHING AND INJURIES, BUT THEY DIDN’T MAKE EXCUSES. THEY DIDN’T MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE WE ARE GETTING BAD BREAKS. THEY JUST PLAYED THROUGH IT.

BRAVES ARE CLOSE TO BEING A CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER, BUT BOBBY GONNA KILL THE FIRE WITH HIS CRAPSHOOT LIKE ATTITUDE.

I KNEW BOBBY WAS CRAZY WHEN HE MADE THE STATEMENT “THE PITCHING HASN’T REALLY BEEN BAD ALL YEAR.” OR IT COULD HAVE “THE PITCHING HAS BEEN BASICALLY GOOD ALL YEAR” WHATEVER, WHEN HE MADE ONE OF THOSE STATEMENTS I KNEW HIS TIME WAS UP.

By Bob

September 27, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

Mets blog has been taken over by Phillies and Braves fans. It is, uh, Amazin!

By Mark

September 27, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this

SHAUN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN HIS OFFENSE IS TOO GOOD! HOW MANY GAMES HAVE YOU WATCHED THIS SEASON.

IS HE BETTER THAN ESCOBAR?

SHAUN UNLESS KELLY STARTS HITTING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 TO 50 HOMERS, .300 AVERAGE OR 100 RBIS, HIS OFFENSE WILL NEVER BE CONSIDERED TOO GOOD FOR HIM NOT TO BE BENCHED.

HE NOT EVEN BETTER THAN GILES? BEFORE YOU START THROWING STATS AT ME, I DON’T MEAN THIS YEAR. I MEAN GILES PREVIOUS YEARS WITH THE BRAVES.

ARE YOU ON DRUGS?

MAYBE YOU ARE LIKE BOBBY COX, SENILE?

DON’T LET KELLY MAKE A FOOL OUT OF YOU. DANG!

By kcr211

September 27, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this

If Boras is so sure that Andruw’s season was a one year abberation, he should be pushing the idea of a one year contract to boost Andruw’s market a year from now when 1)the crop of free agent center fielders is not as deep and 2) when Andruw has revealed that he is not, in fact, a washed up shadow of his former self.

Obviously he doesn’t have the confidence to push for that because it’s absurd. There is simply no reason and no way to be sure of that. Credit to him for not blushing every time he opens his mouth.

By ncscoots

September 27, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Mark, I have two words for you:

Caps Lock.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

KEEP UP THE INVASION!

METS BLOG! METS BLOG! THEY SAD!

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/mets/archives/2007/09/leftovers.html#comments

I LIKE IT OVERLORD. AKA “NO AMAZING ZONE”(ON METS BLOG) THEY ARE CRYING.

SOMEBODY CALLING THEMSELVES “COUNT CHOPULA”

I LOVE IT.

By gotigers72

September 27, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this

The fat lady is officially singing. Now I’m a Phillies fan. Anybody but the Mets. I would love it if they blow that huge lead they had, 7 games with 17 to play. What a choke that would be.

As far as Andruw, I’m glad he’s “as good as gone”. I disagree with Boras on this being a one year blip. I believe he’s in decline. He’s still a great centerfielder, but it’s obvious he’s lost a step out there. His hitting has been horrible. Selfish attitude, empty headed approach, and I personally got tired of watching him not run balls out to first. Good luck Boras on getting him something above 5 years and 75 mil, although with the lot of crazy owners out there, I wouldn’t doubt it happening.

What the heck has happened to KJ. He has been horrible at the plate and in the field for the past month. Looks overmatched no matter who’s pitching. Is tied with Jeff Kent for most errors by a second baseman. I think packaging him with another player for an above average pitcher would be a good move. Even though his best position is shortstop, Yunel is better than KJ offensively and defensively. Shopping KJ would be smart.

For years the Braves thrived by having superior pitching AND DEFENSE. This year they’re in the middle of the pasck or lower on defense. Besides KJ, McCann is also a below average defensive player, even though I think the Braves made a smart move by locking him up for 6 years. He really needs to work on his defense. This is one place where the Braves miss Pat Corrales. McCann is tied for last in fielding among catchers at .986, tied for most errors at 13, tied for 3rd with passed balls at 6, and his .216 percentage of throwing out baserunners is better than only Johnny Estrada. Use the offseason to get married, get your ankles healed, and work on your defense Brian.

By Reid in EAV

September 27, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

Dear Mutts fans: Hahahahahahahaha!

By Rosalynn

September 27, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

Jimma has invahted Chippa to come down to Plains and hunt potata bugs. Last naght when Chipper got his glove tangled up in his chin haih and made that errah Ah was beside mahself with disappointment. Ah knew then that the season was ovah and Chippa would soon be a huntin’ with his little buddahs LaRoche and Tusha.

Ah asked Jimma, “Jimma is it ovah?” And Jimma said, “Yes, Rosa dahlin’ it is ovah for suah.” When the Commanduh in Chief says it is ovah it is finished.

But Ah promise to keep bloggin heah duahing the off season. Ah am one of the few females now bloggin heah on the DOB blog and Ah do not appreciate all the vulgah talk and innuenda that goes on heah now. Don’t make me call those Secret Suhvice boahs in to investagate.

And the last comment Ah have tonight is for Bobba Cox. “Bobba, Ah believe Jimma could beat you head to head in an election and that should speak to yoah lack of populahity, nose picka.

By Lew

September 27, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

Mark-Why do you stoop to the Troll’s level? I followed the link you posted and all it was was you acting like a complete and utter @$$. All this year (and last year, too, we’ve had to put up with that bunch of idiots. Now you decide to be one too. Why can’t you just be glad the Mets lost and the Trolls are leaving us alone? Makes me wonder if you weren’t the Drooling fool in disguise.

By Jeffrey

September 27, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Well the gong has been struck for the Braves in 2007. Thanks to the guys for making the last few weeks interesting. No thanks to the guys who stunbled and bumbled from May-August.

Thanks Andruw for all the great years and great catches. We will miss you but your pricetag is beyond our means.

Thanks Kelly Johnson for a decent year but it appears that you are not big-league caliber at 2nd. Back to sharing left field with Diaz in 2008. Prado should get a fulltime shot.

Thanks Edgar Renteria for an MVP type season. We hate to see you go but Escobar is ready and we need pitching.

Thanks Chipper for a great second half. Please do not make us question your desire in the future before you decide to play hurt and show some fire.

Welcome back? to Tom Glavine for 2008. We surely missed you.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

METS FANS ARE MAD THEY ARE CUSSINGOUT THE BRAVES FANS.

KEEP IT UP!!

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/mets/archives/2007/09/leftovers.html#comments

By Harry Balls

September 27, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

If I were the Braves I wouldn’t offer AJ more than about 8 million per year for any year. His best years are behind him. T Hunter is also a free agent. The are about 5 center fielders that will be free agents and maybe they are not as good on D but they are just as good of an all around player.

How many all star games has AJ played in? He is not blazing with speed and I have never thought he is as good as people want to say. I give he credit. He does catch the ball if he gets to it. It arm is worn out now, he is getting older and he is not worth more than 8 million per year. Look at the other top 4 center fielders that are free agents. If the Braves had any of them in centerfield this year they would have WON the division even with the crappy starters. AJ enjoy playing somewhere else. You will be missed and you will be forgotten.

By dobearsbare

September 27, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this

If the Braves get a front-line starter with the money they’re not spending on Andruw or Renteria while wrapping up Teixeira long-term, well, I don’t see that as a bad thing. Offer him $8 million plus tons of incentives, and if he walks, well, that’ll be more productive than the dozen or so 3-for-40s he’s had this year. If he’d hit .250 this year, his RBI total would have been among the league’s best. The starting pitching has been the major stumbling block, but Andruw killed the Braves this year.

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

That was a classic Rosalynn.

By MEB

September 27, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

Shaun… the blog will be a better place in a couple of days. Takes that long for all the trolls and morons to find something else to occupy their time. Relax and ignore the direct attacks.

Lots of positives in this disappointing season. I really can’t wait for the hot stove season and what the Braves will look like next season. I anticipate some really good blogging ahead. Man time flies since that cold opening series at the Ted back in April. Lot of wasted opportunities between May and August. Well lets get after them next year.

GO BRAVES!!!

By jon712

September 27, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

Anyone who quotes a John Prine song is all right in my book. Unfortunately, my book isn’t in print. Another good Prine line: “Broken hearts and dirty windows make life difficult to see. That’s why last night and this morning always look the same to me.”

By Mark

September 27, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this

LEW TAKE IT EASY. MANY PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG HAVE PARTICIPATED ON THE MET’S BLOG, NOT JUST ME.

IT’S JUST BASEBALL LEW. IT’S NOT THAT SERIOUS. WE ARE JUST HAVING FUN AT THEIR EXPENSE. COME ON MAN!

IT’S JUST PEOPLE THAT CHEER FOR DIFFERENT TEAMS.

LEW PLEASE DON’T TAKE IT SO SERIOUS. YES THEY ARE TROLLS, BUT NOW THEY ARE SAD TROLLS. THEY ARE MAKING HISTORY NOW. BIGGEST CHOKES IN HISTORY!!

By fan since 66

September 27, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this

Frenchy for CF!

By Edgar

September 27, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

I’m already happy, from here to 3-4 months, im saying good bye to Andruw and his freaking strikeout smile.About KJ he hasnt live up to the expectations and if he doesnt in 2008, I consider Bobby should bench and bring up Lillibridge.I mean he cant even get a BACKHAND groundball,is it that difficult SHAUN? plus he’s like a 250-270 hitter and doesnt have that much speed.Escobar is more intelligent hitter that KJ,he doesnt always swing for the FENCES, and has more speed and DEFENSE than KJ.So for me i would go with Escobar or Lillibridge at 2nd, and Trade or move KJ to LF.

By Reid in EAV

September 27, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Mark, I’m with Lew — I went over there to take the pulse and consider applying a clever taunt, then noticed you making an horse’s patootie out of yourself. Stop, or you’ll force me to go over there and apologize for you. Here in the South, we still have something called “mannahs.”

By Mike

September 27, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

2008 - put Escobar at second, move KJ to the outfield with Diaz and Frenchy.

By Savannah Guy

September 27, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Braveheart Thanks to your work here, we now have the curriculum; the professors, more students and a plane ride. DOB can pop in and give us all some “chin music” to get us toughened up. Since Jimmy is on the committee, think he might be willing to provide a buffet table? Pie, cheese, peaches, canned hams and such? Think Chris “Klobber” might set us up with after class happy hour libations while he lectures on, “how to be a good guy even while drinking Knob Creek at 3:00 am”? I can give a side session on translating Fly language.

Orlando it is. This ain’t Micky Mouse stuff.

By BND

September 27, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

DOB,

The fact that Boras called you shows he is a classless jerk. If Andruw wants to leave Atlanta…fine, but why on earth would an agent call a beat writer before the season has ended and give you these kinds of details?

Personally, I am sick of players with no loyalty. I want players that want to be here.

By Just one Question!

September 27, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this

Who on God”s green earth r we gonna get to PITCH? And please don’t say GLAVINE. WE NEED TO FORK OVER SOME MOOLAH FOR A HOSS ON THE MOUND! I don’t give a damn- sign the best we can absolutely buy. Sell the farm if need be. Suggestions for starters we can buy…….?

By Edgar

September 27, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Let the 2007-2008 Braves Offseason Officially Begin.

By Mill B. Later

September 27, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Go Andruw and take Bobby Cox with you!

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

Savannah, I’m good at making agendas and to do lists but not so good at remembering them. I probably have about 50 well intentioned ones floating around the house somewhere. We need a secretary to remember everything I just said.

By tasman

September 27, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

I am an Andruw Jones fan. But let’s be honest …. this year he stunk! He was not worth half what he was paid instead of building a case for a ridiculously out of sight contract for next year. So many times he came to bat in critical situations and struck out. He refused coaching and swung for the fences regardless of what the situation called for. I thought, from some of his comments in spring training, that Scott Boras had filled his head with dollar signs. His defensive range is declining and his offense took a nose dive after declining last year. His arm is not what it once was. If I were GM I would only try to sign him IF his contract contains specific incentives to try to get him back on track as a team player on offense. And forget a no-trade clause. Otherwise, let’s see what the Braves would be like with Lillibridge or Francoeur in CF. Maybe Jones’ agent needs to think about, for a change, what might be best for that player and for the team and, yes, for major league baseball. Use the money to sign Tex to a long-term contract. His career is going up while AJ’s is going down.

Yes, some idiot of a GM will probably offer A. Jones far too much and will get a good year or two out of him. But a huge, long-term contract will be a millstone around the neck of that team.

By Edgar

September 27, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

New AJC Poll,Which New Ace is going to come in the Offseason???

By Edgar

September 27, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

New AJC Poll,Which New Braves Ace is going to come in the Offseason???

By mill

September 27, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

the last two nights didn’t help at all. Bye Bye, Chumper, head to Hooters with Andruw. Good Riddance to the Jones Goys.

By True Braves Fan

September 27, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this

A fitting end to the Braves playoff hopes…A(nother) KJ strikeout. (Swinging instead of looking this time.) Escobar on the bench for the final two Phillie games, and we lose both…

By Mark

September 27, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this

LEW AND REID IN EAV,

I HAVE POSTED TWICE OVER THERE. MY NAME WAS DENNIS GREEN. I CAN’T BELIEVE I AM HAVING TO EXPLAIN MYSELF TO YOU GUYS.

OVERLORD UP AT THE TOP HAS ADMITTED HIS NAME IS “NO AMAZING ZONE” (LOOK AT HIS 9:53 POSTS)

BOB IS ON THEIR TOO.

IT’S NOT THAT SERIOUS!

THE BLOG WILL BE GONE TOMORROW. LIFE GOES ON!

IT’S NOT JUST ME! PLEASE!

By bill

September 27, 2007 10:55 PM | Link to this

Another miserable end to another rotten season. When are the Geritol Boyz (JS and BC) going to go bye bye? What a senseless waste of another season, these mofos should be in Miami, telling kids to get the hell off their lawns.

By Train Wreck Bystander

September 27, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

I wish we could keep AJ, but I don’t see Liberty forking over that kind of money.

I wouldn’t mind a mega-deal if it were tied to performance. Say maybe 9-10 million as a base amount and them some millions more if AJ hit .260, drove in 130 RBIs and actually put up the numbers in Boras’ spiral book next year.

Documenting the past is one thing, but producing in the present and predicting the future is another matter.

It’s hard to feel sorry for AJ with that commercial with Deion Sanders airing 5 or 6 times a night - the one where they count all his cars.

Still… hate to think he won’t be roaming center field for us next year.

By Judy

September 27, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this

I hope we keep Andruw - I’ve been a fan of his all along!

By Mark

September 27, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this

True Braves Fan, it’s sad but Bobby and his loyalty has cost us again.

You think he might go against the books just once when it comes to the leadoff position.

It took him weeks to make Diaz an everyday player and he still bats him behind that CF who will soon be gone.

By Mill B. Later

September 27, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this

New AJC poll: Which idiot will be around in 2008

A Booby Cox B John Shi*head C Both

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this

Mark, I gotta say, I’m a bit disappointed in you. You only got them to call us goobers and rednecks. They didn’t find you annoying enough to break out the Deliverance jokes. You gotta do a better job Mark. Get back in there until you do the job right. Maybe we’ll sign you to a minor league contract with a spring training invite to come back to the blog if you get a Deliverance joke out of them.

By boots

September 27, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this

Scott Boras sounds like a jerk. The kind of guy who would give a 16 year old kid at Wendy’s grief because his burger had too much ketchup on it. The kind of guy who would fight his siblings over some old lamp in his parent’s estate. The kind of guy who hurries in front of an old woman so he can get the last item on the shelf or pushes a kid out of the way to get through the door first. And the kind of guy who would advise a client who has had a TERRIBLE year and kept his team from advancing to be a greedy, money hungry jerk, too.

By Dr. Jay

September 27, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this

Effing A, Just One… Can we PLEASE use Andruw’s bucks, and/or Renteria in trade for someone besides Glavine? Let Glavine rot in Flushing, get a younger stud arm, and cover center next year with a (KC) DeJesus-type until some of our minor league outfielders mature. Pitching, pitching, pitching. That’s the key. Over and out for ‘07. Go Braves.

By Braveheart

September 27, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

boots, my man, long time, no see. i’m still gittin’ my heart prescriptions from dan reeves’ doctor if you get my reference, my man.

By Savannah Guy

September 27, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

Mark: Repeat from earlier post by Denizen Scoots:

No caps lock please. Hurts the eyes. Thanks.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

Boy just imagine if Andruw batted .290 this year. He would have A-rod numbers.

Andruw will never play for a town like Atlanta. This town hasn’t really booed him and his manager continues to support him.

What would happen if he was in NY or Philly?

He should want to take a paycut to play with the Braves. Nevermind, go for the money Andruw.

By Creative Man

September 27, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this

Because I haven’t read an original thought here in weeks I’ve decided to shake up the Braves and baseball’s world by offering the following suggestion for next year: We have a pretty good idea what pitchers will be back next year and even if the names change this idea will stay the same.

Based on our starting pitchers and what we’ve seen the last two years that they generally don’t go more than 6 innings (sometimes 5 and sometimes 7) we pair up pitchers for games. For instance Huddy/Mahay; Smoltz/Moylan; James/Virrareal; Hampton/Yates; Glavine (or whoever)/Carlyle. When the starter gets pulled his buddy comes in to finish the game. If occasionally things get really interesting late in the game we still have a couple of pitchers, including Soriano to close it out. If a starter goes 7 or 8 then his buddy is available to help the next day; the buddy is also available on his “throwing” day for a short stint. This way no one pitches in 70 games…perhaps only 50. I’m of the opinion major league pitchers should be able to get out major league hitters so, for the most part, throw out the matchup game. If a true match up comes up then you have the closer guns for late innings and possibly/probably a rested buddy. We don’t burn the bullpen using 5, 6, or 7 pitchers a game five or six times a week. Everyone knows he will pitch and for the most part when he will pitch.

Ok hot shots. Shoot this down and come up with your own creative way to help our aging staff next year. Keep in mind that we won’t be getting a stud number one so we have to make do with what we have.

By Choice

September 27, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this

Anyone believe that the Braves are going to have the kind of payroll to afford Andruw AND Tex? And if you sign both, you’re back to tying up 2/3 rds of your payroll in 4 or 5 guys.

So where is the money coming from for pitching? I don’t see any Phil Hughes, Jaba Chamberlins, Linsecumes or Cole Hamels in the Braves minor league system. If the Braves are going to get any starting help next year they are going to have to sign ‘em or trade for ‘em.

So would you rather sign Tex after next year or sign Andruw in the off season? Don’t think you can have both. I know which one I want back.

By Savannah Guy

September 27, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

Cuz You devil you…sending the kids out to play in the traffic like that.

Speaking of mark, mark spring brev-training it in your calendar, Orlando. If you forget I’m going to find your email, track you down and call you names. Better yet, I’ll get Paladin to buzz your house at treetop level a few times with that old crop duster.

G’nite…

By Mark

September 27, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, don’t do me like that. I had to tell people about that blog because they have been ganging up on me all year. They take their sports a little more serious than we do in Atlanta.

That guy Methead is usually the one talking trash.

I only posted two times tonight. Overlord (AKA “No Amazing Zone”) has been killing them. So has Bob and UGA IV. Their doing all the dirty work.

By Julia

September 27, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

I am eating a big ol’ greasy SHRIMP SAMMICH! Right NOW! This SHRIMP SAMMICH is going to help me f-o-r-g-e-t all the wasted opportunities this season. When I get all nauseous and start throwing up I will remember this SHRIMP SAMMICH as the culprit - but I will know it was really Bobby Cox and his stubborn indignation that made me sick. Now, I must tune in for my favorite R-A-D-I-O personality. Life is good. SHRIMP SAMMICHES cause a little POOCH but they are very t-a-s-t-y. I plan to eat many a SHRIMP SAMMICH during the off-season.

By David O'Brien

September 27, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this

The song is over, it’s all behind me….

Alright folks, gonna be a long day tomorrow to make it to, and cover, a pretty meaningless game in Houston.

Peace.

And yes, Mark, if Andruw had hit .290, even with RISP hit .290, he’d have 150 or more RBIs, easily.

By Choice

September 27, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this

The Braves are dead, and I’m soooo sad.

But…… if the Mets make history by blowing the division AND not making the wildcard, I’ll have a huge smile on my face.

Like this one

:o)

By Yars

September 27, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

What’s funny is that even if the Braves had swept the Phillies, & were to sweep the ‘Stros, they still wouldn’t have made the playoffs. The Padres & Rockies may not even lose another game. Regarding all this KJ bashing, I hope he isn’t traded. The guy is worn out. He looks terrible at the plate, & his defense is really shaky right now. I cringe every time a ball is hit to him. I think it would be a big mistake if the Braves did lose all faith in KJ & trade him away. Even with a really *hitty September, if you study his overall numbers, they are very impressive. I still say he will turn into a .300/20/85-90 type hitter whose defense at 2B will get better. Nobody ever expected him to play Sandberg type defense.

By Lou Vales

September 27, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this

Dear David, You seem almost proud about Boras utilizing you as part of his “machine”—Why don’t you have the guts to echo the sentiments I’m sure you have heard about the Carbohydrate Aficionado of Curacao??

Andruw Jones has not only lost bat speed, he has lost STEPS—those diving “signature’ catches he now makes of balls that quality centerfielders grab belt high have been the talk of scouts for some time. I would say that the Curacao Clown maybe should be the spokesperson for athletes that don’t take care of their bodies.

I’m sure Mr Boras probably does a study pertaining to quality of Gentlemen’s Clubs in every Major League city—just in case “some” of his clients might have a vested interest—-Well, it’s probably going to be difficult to beat out Atlanta.

By Chop Chop

September 27, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this

MMVII Atlanta Braves.

In pace requiescat.

By A-ville Ranger

September 27, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this

DOB—-My point was if management said they would no longer deal with Bora$$ I’d be all for it.My judgement aside that’s how I feel.I can see why you took Bora$$’ call it’s your job,It’s not mine,I would hang up.

By Mark

September 27, 2007 11:52 PM | Link to this

Yars you are right. Maybe I bashed KC too much today. Shaun was p** me off defending him.

I agree that he has run out of gas. I see it and you see it, but why doesn’t Cox. Escobar is fresh and ready to go.

Cox loyalty is what is killing this team. I am getting sick of games that Diaz like tonight will go 3 for 4, but they are meaningless hits because Andruw is striking out the inning before. Those hits could have come with 2 outs instead of leading off innings.

That Bobby “It’s a Crap Shoot Mentality” is gonna take the young Braves’ fire. Just like Chipper and Andruw.

By Bob, Journalist

September 27, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this

Well, those who have been hedging their bets can relax … it’s over, at least for us.

Methinks our boys done good!

Hopefully our managing and coaching will help them realize their potential and better prepare them to play in 2008.

By Mitch

September 27, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this

I completely agree with your viewpoint, Mr O Brien. With the Braves having just handed John Smoltz a large contract for the next three years, I can’t see any way that they would shell out 18 to 20 mil for four or five years to retain Andruw. While Liberty Media has stated their willingness to add payroll, for the team to win, our failure to reach the postseason for a second consecutive season, has to make me think that they will part ways with Andruw’s huge salary, considering the fact that they already had huge payouts to Mike Hampton the last two seasons for nothing, and Chipper’s salary of nearly 15 mil a year, with all his injuries and time missed. More than likely, we will part ways with Andruw, Bobby may move Jeff to center field from right field, and we will find some lower salaried outfielder. I will miss Andruw greatly, as he is a great player, but, considering Mr Boras’ contract negotiation history, and our budget, I just dont see us having the money to retain him.

 Mitch

By TampaBrave

September 28, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

KJ should never lead off, should not play 2nd. 2nd requires instincts that he does not have. Use him to get some pitching. Escobar is the man. Prado is not a bad player either. KJ will never be the servicable 2nd sacker many think he will be. Cry all you want to, he just doesn’t have the goods. As far as leadoff, he strikes out way too much. The is the 2nd coming of Tommy Gregg.

By flbravesgirl

September 28, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this

Braveheart, I could supply the dessert table. Grinch could finally get his Red Velvet Cake. I make some bodacious brownies too.

Of course I’m bummed about the season being over but I’m proud of the Braves for not just giving up when things were looking really bad. This last longshot run was a lot more fun than last year & gives them something to build on for next year.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this

why be suprised, just like other lately postseasons. if this was our postseason it fell into script. our #2 and #1 pitchers just went the last two nights and we fell behind and made a ton of errors.

why oh why do we all swing at the first pitch.

By A-ville Ranger

September 28, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this

I’m going to give this Bora$$ thing a bit more attention.MLB is a bottom line business,I get that.For me though it’s entertainment and just as I didn’t want the Falcons to sign Terrell Owens last year.Not because of his effect on the team’s record but because I didn’t want to cheer for the guy.That’s not a judgement thing.Call it principle or just preference if JS refused to take Scott’s calls and it cost us Teixeira,as a fan it would be a good trade-off.At least for this fan it would be.

By TampaBrave

September 28, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this

Also, as much as I like Matt Diaz, he is not an option to play everyday in LF. The law of diminishing returns will set in and expose his weaknesses. Good gritty player, but everyday play will bring him to below average. Platooning works for me, unless its Willie “Sky High” Harris. Brandon Jones may be ready. I can only hope. Matt Diaz makes our bench stronger.

Anyone who thinks Francouer will flourish in CF needs a dose of reality. He doesn’t have the footspeed or natural instincts to play the position. We need to find a speed guy to put out there, at least until the calvary arrives with homegrown talent.

Congrats Andruw, you will not achieve the sparkling honor that very few individuals achieve anymore; to play your entire career with the same team. You are now a mercenary with no real home, led astray by your greedy agent. I guess 15 million just won’t cut it. You are talking about money your grandkid’s kids will not be able to spend. It would have been better for you to show a little class and overrule your agent and finish out your career as a Brave, while still making more money than you could ever hope to spend. But I have a feeling you equate money to ego. Oh the shallowness!!!

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 28, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this

Morning all, just stopped by to see who was looking for wounded to shoot….

Wow, Phillies stepped up didn’t they? Oh well, just a minor bump in the road of life. It will make winning next year that much sweeter.

Yes, Tex is a keeper. Kelly’s production decline does not surprise me. It’s a long season. Same for McCann, hopefully the Braves will be in a position to let Brian get a little more rest and have a good enough offense to allow him to only catch 4 out of 5 games.

I also hope he takes his conditioning seriously this winter. Frency will have a breakout season next year. Wait and see. I have faith that someone will be found to play center next year. I can’t ever the Braves not having someone out there.

Wille Harris got his shot, to bad he faded. I wonder if he was playing hurt? Peace out ya’ll….

By Mark

September 28, 2007 12:24 AM | Link to this

I hate to break it to Bor-a* but Andruw’s value EASILY went down hill this year. His average sucked ALL-SEASON-LONG. Will someone overpay for him? Of course they will. The A’s paid $8 million for Mike Piazza last year. That doesn’t change the FACT that his value plummeted this season.

By N8

September 28, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this

DOB

Bora$$ said this about Andruw:

“And the bad season, Boras is going to stress, is a one-year blip and nothing that a half-dozen or more players he named (Fred Lynn, Willie Stargell, Willie McCovey, etc) experienced before bouncing back with strong seasons.”

Maybe he should pay a little more attention to his clients ACTUAL performances, rather than attending Dodger’s games.

I’m pretty sure you’ve covered this in a recent blog, but here goes, anyhow.

Since June 1st 2006:

257 Games Played, 219 Hits, 950 AB’s (.230 average), 54 HR, 192 RBI.

To put it in perspective, if Bora$$ and Andruw think he should STILL be one of the highest paid players, here are Arod’s numbers THIS YEAR:

156 Games, 178 Hits, 576 AB’s, (.309 average), with 53 HR and 151 RBI.

Hmmm. In 101 less games & 374 less AB’s Arod has ONLY 41 less hits, 1 less HR, and only 41 less RBI.*

Two guys are gonna make a LOT of money at the end of this season, and from the way I see it, only ONE of them actually deserve it. Sad thing is, is that bora$$ is right. The suitors will be LINING up to sign him. Good. Let him be somebody elses problem. I wonder how Boston or Philly fans would react to his AB’s on a daily basis? Yikes.

Looks as though the ONLY thing Bora$$ and Andruw have that is actual fact, is that he’s been durable. One could actually argue that by being so durable, he has cost the Braves games. Had he been injured or taken more days off, his “replacement” might have actually dones something with the bat in the last 10 months of Braves baseball. Worst case, is Andruw could’ve gotten some much needed R&R (and I don’t mean rock and roll).

I guess Bora$$ is right about the defense. He can still play as good, if not better than most. But even then, he is STILL not as good as he used to be, and he will only get worse with age, NOT better.

Adios. Thanx for the memories. It’s been a pleasure watching you catch the ball, and frustrating as hell, watching you attempt to hit the ball (other than 2005).

For the record, Arod over the “same stretch” of the last two season’s has compiled these numbers:

259 Games, 285 hits, 953 AB’s (.299 average), 75 HR with 228 RBI.

Oh, and he plays some pretty good defense as well. In fact one could argue that he’s the best SS on his team, and doesn’t get to play there. But that’s another argument all together.

The funny thing about Andruw, is that I don’t even want him to stick around for a “hometown discount” one year contract. All that’s gonna do is hinder the development and plug a roster spot for somebody else that MIGHT perform better at the plate. And we ALL know that no matter how much he struggles, Bobby would NEVER take him out of the lineup.

So for that point alone, I say….

THANK YOU ANDRUW. Don’t forget to turn off the lights when you leave.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 12:26 AM | Link to this

I learned something very interesting today trolling with Mark over on the New York Post website. AJC is evidently a word that can not be typed on a New York Post website. Does the Post think the AJC is a foul four lettered word? Wow! The Post has standards and the AJC does not meet them.

It’s cool for the New York Post to put a picture of Eric Clapton’s baby son laying dead on the concrete after falling out of a window on the front cover of the paper but you can’t type AJC over there. What’s this world coming to? AJC is more offensive to the Post than a picture of a dead baby splattered on the concrete. imagine that.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 28, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

DOB The ploy by Scot Bores to use you to try and build public sentiment against the Braves by trying to negotiate Andruw’s contract in the paper is not going to work. Andruw has managed to play himself out of the hearts of Braves fans this year with his dogged determination to be a “dead pull hitter” and thus being the number one rally killer in the Braves lineup.

No doubt Andruw will come back next year if for no other reason that some manager not names Bobby Cox will ride his behind or bench him for not performing.

I’m betting the Padres but who knows, he could end up just about anywhere. Maybe even the Nationals.

By Mark

September 28, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this

TampaBrave, I have been saying it all day.

You have to realize that this team is gonna keep doing what they do. Bobby gonna take this team’s fire, just like past Brave teams.

They say “attitude reflects leadership.”

Take Chipper and Andruw,

In the mid nineties they had fire especially after losing the World Series in 96 and look what happened:

At first it HURTS them and they HATED losing and then the ongoing defeats in postseason:

Marlins 97

Padres 98

Yankees 99

At this point they started getting used to it and losing that fire. And then,

St.Louis 00

Diamondbacks 01

Giants 02

This is the point where the fire is gone and they expect to lose. Then more postseason defeats such as,

Cubs 03

Astros 04 and 05

This is how playing for IT’S A CRAP SHOOT BOBBY, makes players like the Jones boys lose their fire. Then people start questioning their desire to play the game. Then they question their committment to the game and winning itself.

IF BOBBY CHOOSES TO COME BACK AFTER NEXT YEAR, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ESCOBAR, MCCANN, FRENCHY, KJ, TEXEIRA AND DIAZ. MARK MY WORDS!

These guys haven’t gone through what Chipper and Andruw have gone through. They are still hungry.

Thank God, they have a special pitcher like Smoltz who can keep his fire after so long. He is different because he isn’t an everyday player. He has the kind of INNER FIRE that BOBBY CAN’T and WON’T TAKE AWAY! Hopefully the kids can learn from him.

Playing for Bobby will give you no urgency when it comes to big games.

If people think I am B.S., check out Chipper’s postseason numbers since 2000.

You see when the leader’s attitude IT’S A CRAPSHOOT, Players will go from,

HATING LOSING to GETTING USE TO IT to EXPECTING IT.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 28, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this

Did anyone know that the great Walter Ashton of the Dodgers never asked for a player that was in another organization. He always preferred to bring along talent through their own system. I know, this is a different era, but the message is the same. It’s kind of like not coveting your neighbor’s wife.

The Braves have some good talent coming up, We just need a couple of pieces for it to all fall into place.

By Supes

September 28, 2007 12:39 AM | Link to this

I’ve never felt this good about a Braves loss before!

If the Braves are out of it, and they have been for a while now sorry KC but I never bought the 30% chance you were giving them before this last road trip started, simply too many teams to pass and not enough games left. So if the Braves will miss the playoffs, my only other hope is the NY Mets losing and missing the playoffs as well, just so all of those Mets trolls will go away into hiding, at least for a few months.

I’ve made my peace that the Braves are simply not good enough this year to contend for the NL championship. Maybe next year.

However, seeing NY Mets lose puts a big smile on my face, knowing how they are chocking down pepto bismol bottle after bottle, having to watch the biggest regular season collapse in baseball history in September!

So for the next 3 days I’m a Phillies fan as well, and a Marlins fan. Go Fish, stick a fork in them!

By Ross Perot

September 28, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this

Anders and NCZ,

Figured out what that giant sucking sound is yet?

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 28, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this

And while I am wound up…. An open letter to Andruw.

Dear Andruw, do what yo think is right but do not confuse money with happiness. I am sure you will be offered many millions of dollars to ply your trade in the major leagues but remember that sometimes just money is not worth it when you suddenly find yourself very unhappy with the change in you career.

I have chosen money over happiness and rue the day I did it. Beware of lawyers bearing gifts, they are not really your friend, just a meal ticket.

However, whatever you decide, thank you for all the great years you have given to us, the Braves Nation of baseball fans. We will not soon forget you.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this

DOB, said it last night, K.J. cant go to his right, and he CANT hit a inside curve ball. second, MACAAN is flat out lazy period. whether or not that is correctable who knows. he will never be PUDGE, but for cryin out loud move your fat but sometime.

as for MAC offensively that .320 .obp is not acceptable. all that cute crap about him being a slob and his locker having a certain stench is kinda of funny, but as for now that disipline is carrying over to the field.

this guy is 20 pounds heavier then he was two years ago.

dont mean to be hard on him, because i like him, but its time for you and FRENCHY to grow up. dont give me the crap that they are both 23. they both now have around 3000 plate appearances combined.

who would of thought that he and FRENCHY would of combined for 36 longballs this year.

brian lay off the yohoos and the burger king and live up to the contract that the BRAVES honored you with.

By Lew

September 28, 2007 12:50 AM | Link to this

Mark=-Me not take it so seriously? Dude, I’ve kicked more than my share of Troll behind so don’t even try to hand me that crap. The difference is that I jumped their cases when they came here giving us grief. You, like the Drolling Idiots they are, get your jollies going to their neighborhood and giving them a hard time. Makes tons of sense, doesn’t it you freakin moron? All you’re doing is lowering yourself to their level and giving them ammunition to come back for some more time on the merry go round. Personally, I’d just as soon they stay there and leave us alone. Not to mention, you mental midget-they’re still ahead of us in the standings. And in addition, you Neanderthal, no matter if they lose the rest of their games, they STILL will have won more games than us. Makes it really stupid to talk smack under those circumstances. It’s about time you figured it out. It doesn’t matter one bit whether you posted two times there or fifty. You shouldn’t have posted on the Troll blog at all. Now I’m going to bed. You ought to do the same-or at least lose the caps lock.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 28, 2007 12:52 AM | Link to this

Ross Perot The funny thing about all the jobs that supposedly went south. It appears to have caused a backwash of people bubbling up from the border filling unoccupied space in this country.

By ColoradoBravesFan

September 28, 2007 12:52 AM | Link to this

DOB, if Boras is selling this as a one year blip for Andruw, no one should be buying. One of the sportscast guys the other day stated Andruw had the second lowest batting average for active players with more than 1000 Plate apperances. I wish I could remember who he said had the lowest BA. I took it to mean that almost all those whose BA is as bad as AJs, were not around for very long.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

tampa brave,

KUDOS to you on your realization that MATT DIAZ is not an option everyday in left. he is what he is a very good 4th outfielder.

diaz and francouer are for now the same player, no speed medium power and way,way, too many strikeouts.

how hard is it to figure out that 6-8 in our lineup frenchy, druw, and, diaz, are the same player.

lots of strikeouts no walks, sans druw and medium power.

we have gotta find a player that has a different approach.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

lew,

off the subject but are you familiar with “pick up butch”

i know you are from vermont, read a pretty cool article about middlebury college.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this

we have got to keep edgar period. play esco 162 at second next year then slide him over in 09.

kelly is what he is a decent major leaguer, kinda like ryan church, but he cant be our 2nd bagger next year.

he exceeded a lot of our expectations, for a moment we thought we had the next chase utley, but the combination of k’s and shakey D is just too much.

esco might not be suited to be a leadoff hitter but he sure looks smooth in everything he does, RARE.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 1:44 AM | Link to this

for all you guys thinking that we have been hard on B’MAC, let me give you JAVY’S first two and 1/2 seasons .315, .286, and .295.

By Dad

September 28, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this

Braves fans! Its too bad your Braves are not going to the playoffs. I told you several months ago that the Braves had too many weaknesses to win the NL East or wild card. Your Braves will continue their decline in 2008. It will be 25 years before the Braves win another NL East Title. The Mets will soon rebound from their slump and march to the World Series.

By Tonight on TBS

September 28, 2007 1:58 AM | Link to this

A perennial favorite…

Met-Tanic (1997)

Tragic tale of 2 veteran hurlers, Glavine (Leonardo DeCapria) and Martinez (Kate Winslett) aboard an incredibly expensive and seemingly unsinkable juggernaut that capsizes before reaching the World Series. (Melodrama).

By Leonard Cohen (not Jeff Buckley)

September 28, 2007 2:03 AM | Link to this

I did my best, it wasn’t much

I couldn’t feel, so I tried to touch

I’ve told the truth, I didn’t come to fool you

And even though it all went wrong

I’ll stand before the Lord of Song

With nothing on my tongue but

Hallelujah

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)

September 28, 2007 2:07 AM | Link to this

Dear David O’Brien , I was correct in my thinking that the Braves should offer arbitration to Andruw Jones simply because of this fact : There is no way in hell Scott Boras will accept it. Take the draft picks and wish AJ a good career wherever he ends up. Boras is taking his client into the free agent market regardless of what the Braves do concerning arbitration.

By brian

September 28, 2007 2:16 AM | Link to this

Since the Braves are out of the playoffs, what starting pitchers DOB do you think the Braves realistically have a shot at and what would it cost them? Mostly likely it will involve a package with Edgar to get them. Cain at SF is commonly mentioned. Ervin Santana of the Angels is another.

Braves priorities: 1.Sign Tom Glavine. Yes this is a one year stop gap measure. Last year I wrote here a lot on why to sign Glavine (sentimental reasons and leadership reasons included). Even without Andruw the Braves are only a player or two away from the playoffs 2. Obtain a young starter pitcher in for Edgar or a package with Edgar as the centerpiece. 3. Find a stop gap for CF - whether it is Mike Cameron or someone else 4. Decide where Kelly Johnson is to play once and forall if he is not tradebait. He really struggles with the backhand. He is a great hitter and may be more suited for LF, but Brandon Jones is the future LF, unless they move Brandon to RF and Kelly to LF with Francouer as the CF until Schaeffer is ready then Francoeur back to RF (do not see that last situation happening) 5. Start trying to lock up Teixeira long term. Man was he impressive as a Brave 6. Lock up Soriano as our closer for the next 3 years or so. 7. Resign Mahay as our lefty specialist. With Mahay and Ring, we will have solid lefties in the bullpen, especially if Gonzalez comes back 8. Settle out the rest of the bullpen - finally a good bullpen dilemma - so many good young arms, so few roster spots (who would have imagined that a year or two ago!) 9. Try to come to a 2B conclusion - if Kelly the long term guy or is Lillebridge? Is Lillebridge ready and if not do you trade Kelly now while his value is high and plug in Prado? 10. Somehow find the old Chuck James, get Jo Jo Reyes to throw in the majors like he did in the minors instead of pitching afraid (he was too much trying to hit the corner instead of just pitching), have Mike Hampton actually return to health and stay healthy, have Chipper continue to find the fountain of youth and avoid the training room, and yes have the Braves look at how they choked in big situations this year time and time again as DOB detailed above.

By Double Deuce

September 28, 2007 2:17 AM | Link to this

Dad Your Mutts are on the verge of a monumental collapse and you’re dumb enough to come on here and criticize the Braves? If the Phillies win the NL East this year your Mets will go down in history as one of the biggest chokers of all time and won’t even smell a division or wildcard berth for years to come. C’mon Phillies!!

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 2:25 AM | Link to this

coach,

wrong answer, if we offer #25 arbitration we will be on the hook for around 15 million. arbitration is about the the body of work.

they will compare him against vernon wells who just got 17 mil a year.

who has the better body of work? that one is pretty easy. they will not and let me say this AGAIN offer andruw arbitration.

By MS

September 28, 2007 3:25 AM | Link to this

You know what the difference between us and first place in the NL East is (besides all of those maddening games we should have won of course)? Our poor play during the brutal interleague schedule. The Braves got hosed playing 4 series against 3 of the top 5 AL teams, with the fifth series being at one of the tougher parks to play in against a good (although a bit underachieving this year) team, who also happens to have the best pitcher in the majors.

Atlanta’s record against the NL is 79-65. Guess what the Mets and Phils record vs NL teams is? Yep. The exact same 79-65. The Mets had close to the same interleague schedule, except replace 94-win Cleveland with 75-win Oakland (and they had two series against the Yanks instead of the Red Sox). The Phils however, also played Detroit and Cleveland, but then lucked out with Toronto and horrible teams like the White Sox and Royals.

I’m not making excuses because the Braves let WAY too many winnable games get away, but still, what might have been if we had an interleague schedule closer to the Phillies?? (Not to mention if we didn’t face a ridiculously number of LHPs. Seriously, look it up. No one else is anywhere close to facing the number of lefties we did this year.)

By Serbok

September 28, 2007 3:43 AM | Link to this

blows my mind as how ppl can actually eat at Burger King and McDonalds! Wendy’s is Somewhat passable, but even that food sux! wow

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 3:49 AM | Link to this

serbok,

i think i finally spelled your name right. go get them you vampire. too many errors tonight, but the mets, those poor mets are really feelin tonight.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 3:59 AM | Link to this

serbok,

vampire sighting tonight, cant hang any longer, talk to you tmmrw. gotta work soon.

By ronp

September 28, 2007 4:04 AM | Link to this

Boras poisons the atmosphere with talk about “home town discounts.”

AJ’s poor performance this year included 138 K’s and he looked lost at the plate..for $75 plus million, why gamble that he can come back?

Spend it on a starting pitcher and re-build the rotation.

By bh

September 28, 2007 4:21 AM | Link to this

if we don’t deliver, we got fired. why should they be different with their big buck pay.

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 28, 2007 4:28 AM | Link to this

Boras talks tough about the 1 year contract, but trust me enough teams have been in the hunt for the playoffs to send scouts out and about…and they will tell their GM’s what they see. A guy having a truly terrible year that he may not rebound from. Teams like the Padres may be willing to offer him a large one year contract, but I bet that is the limit most teams will offer(Can you imagine him in the AL with that lame swing?)unless some team loses a big hitter this winter, that can also afford him.

So, Boras , after sounding tougher than nails on the one year deal, will give in at the last moment (Just like he did last spring with Dice-K’s contract) and just go with the best deal. That is why we can’t afford to risk arbitration, he’d accept it….

By Metropolitan Man

September 28, 2007 4:36 AM | Link to this

Man, any other time,it would be gloating time to know the braves are finally eliminated. But nooooooo, with the lethargic METS still losing, I cant gloat becasue I’m still in panic mode. I never imagined or dreamed the METS would be the team to collapse like this. Go ahead and get your laugh on because I would. To be a METS fan, you guys have no idea. All the bashing you guys have done can never compare to the feeling METS fans have right now. We are really ticked and every one who isnt a METS fan is giving us enough crap to carry over into next season. You guys never really had a collapse so you will never know what it feels like to be on top of the world 1 week and a laughing stock the next….ahh to be a METS fan. If you are thin- skined, then this is not the team for you. Be happy braves fan, your team turned it on and made you proud at the end even if they fell short. The METs can only make METS fans proud by not losing any of the 3 remaining games. Its doable but after watching the METS, Nats, and Marlins the last 2 weeks, I think the spoilers are enjoying themselves too much this year. Celebrate now becasue if they turn it around and go far, I will be thumping my chest. Ah, to be a METS fan, you gotta experience it. I love this game and the METS, but who is gonna pay for all the broken tv’s, computer monitors, and remotes??? WooooooooSaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

LETS GO METS!!

LETS GO METS!!!

By Mark

September 28, 2007 6:00 AM | Link to this

Lew, why are you getting so upset. It’s just a blog. Who cares if they have more wins than us at the end of the season. I gave people that link because unlike you, who takes this baseball blogging so serious, they might want to give the Met fans a tough time.

You don’t have insult people just because you disagree with what they do. It’s a just a blog, Lew. Not that serious. If they come back here and gives us a tough time, that’s fine. You take this way too serious.

Why would you get so mad at me and call me a Neanderthal, Moron, and Mental Midget. If I made you that mad LEW, I am sorry.

I only gave people that link because I knew that the Mets trolls, as you put it, are always giving us a hard time. I noticed that the Met’s trolls don’t show up when their team is losing. So I felt, lets go slumming on their blog and mess with them. I knew some people on this blog didn’t mind losing to the Phillies, if it hurt the METS.

Once again, if me going on that blog or giving others the link to that blog offends you LEW, I AM SORRY.

By Brad in KY

September 28, 2007 6:39 AM | Link to this

DOB

Nothing wrong with that sentence. It’s the rest of the post that bothers me.

By Jim

September 28, 2007 6:42 AM | Link to this

If luck goes our way, maybe we can get Andruw to move out of Sugarloaf AND the lockerroom! Bad PR move there to have your overwrought mansion featured in the local papers when you are negotiating for a big dollar contract here. Let’s see….with Andruw, Michael V., and the Madam, that’s three homes back on the market…oh…that’s right…a SATURATED market…maybe ‘Druw will whiff at selling that too…

By Charlie

September 28, 2007 6:59 AM | Link to this

The Braves had a nice LITTLE run in April. They had a nice LITTLE run in September. In between they consistently found ways to LOSE ball games. The mediocre, teaser, pretender, Braves of 2007…

Andruw is gone. He’s become too comfortable. No fire. No desire to be better. Close-minded. He won’t improve because that requires commitment. If he thinks that Boras gives a damn about Andruw Jones, outside of making a big comission for himself, well…Then, too, a 25,000 square foot house is important, a dining table suspended from the ceiling, and a see-through, lighted piano, well how can one live without those survival goodies? Where ever you end up, Andruw, I hope you treat your new fans to the same caliber of play as you did for your 2007 Braves fans.

By Mudge

September 28, 2007 7:04 AM | Link to this

I am a Phillies fan. No apologies, I have been for over 50 years. The Braves have had a rough couple of years, but occasionally count your blessings. The franchise has been enormously successful. I’d like to make a comment or two from the perspective of a Phillies fan.

The Phillies have three potential centerfielders, Rowand, Victorino and Bourne. I’d hate to lose Rowand, but the outfield will be fine if he does. He has good numbers and plays hard, quite the opposite of A. Jones, it seems from comments. I do not believe the Phillies would spend a nickel on Andruw, even if they had no center fielder. Hard to imagine any club spending that money when they could get Rowand or Hunter from the Twins..or for that matter Mike Cameron. I wonder what they will be asking. But, to the specifics, I love seeing Andruw come to bat after facing Chipper, Francouer, Texiera and McCann (despite their late season slumps..I wonder why the Phillies aren’t tired? Jimmy Rollins will break the major league at bats record), Andruw is a breather.

Someone asked how Andruw would fare in Philly. Check how Pat Burrell has fared. He is excoriated when he plays poorly, he is adored when he plays well, as he has the second half of the season. Given Andruw’s recent performance, he would need a thick hide in Philly.

You Braves fans should be at least halfway happy to have Smoltz and Hudson. The Phillies’ only quality starter (Hamels, who is only 23) has been hurt through most of this run (which no one seems to have noticed) and their “ace” is Kyle Kendrick another 23 year old who started the year in AA to absolutely no acclaim at all. Rest assured, as much as you need starting pitching, the Phillies need it more. Is Scott Boras Johan Santana’s agent?

Finally, I appreciate any and all of you who will be Phillies fans for the next three days. Be advised, their unofficial motto is “They will break your heart”. The Phillies have a long history of that. I lived through 1964. It would have been Bunning and Short and pray for rain if either pither’s name rhymed with rain. The Braves once again lucked out with Johnny Sain. The addition of some Braves fans, so used to excellence and winning, may help the Phillies’ karma. I hope so. If it is any consolation, Phillies fans have always hated the Mets more than the Braves…by a lot.

By bravesfan77

September 28, 2007 7:30 AM | Link to this

Ok first, if the braves bring back andruw they are nuts. Second if the braves are relying on Hampton they are nuts. So????? Take the Andruw money and spend it on arms. Two of them would be good. Lets stock the pitchers. Then (and we know Liberty will caugh up some cash) sign a centerfielder who can HIT and DEFEND. Two assists???? Have not had one of those since well Otis Nixon.

This team in whole is very very good. Holes were the #3,4 and 5 Spots in rotation (big holes) and the center field hitting. James is not ready to be anything else then a number 5 nor should the braves have him there. Hes needs the same treatment that Glavine and Smoltz had. The ability to learn. Five spot for Chuckie and then two vets. Not Hampton but two qualified 3 and 4 pitchers who wont emplode after giving up a hit or two. Get that done and the braves are back on top in a heart beat. Lets face it, fix the rotation then the hitters will calm down and play like they can. I forsee lots of big number games next year. They need to spend a little money this offseason and not wait to see what the market holds.

As for Andruw, well he wont be able to play for anyone other then Bobby, thats why he had such a bad year this year. Whoever signs his huge paycheck next year will not be happy with him. He is one of those I NEED TO BE HAPPY PLAYERS and his career will never be the same. He will bomb but thats his problem. We need the fix.

By An Andruw Advocate

September 28, 2007 7:37 AM | Link to this

I’m old. I saw my first professional game with my grandfather in 1951. I never saw either of the DiMaggios, but I saw Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, and Duke Snider play in the early to mid-fifties. On their best days, they would have wished they could play defense like Andruw Jones. He’s the best outfielder I’ve ever seen. I will miss him.

By Jeff321

September 28, 2007 7:43 AM | Link to this

Good Riddance, Andruw Jones! Now, go strike out for somebody else.

By tfbrave

September 28, 2007 7:50 AM | Link to this

DOB the conversation smells to me like what Boras did with Maddux the year he said he had several multi-year deals on the table, only to accept the Braves arbitration. He is saying he is going to get a multi-year deal to lure the Braves in to a sense of security to where they offer arbitration to get the prospects. Then they find out no team is offering a multi-year deal for Andruw. The Braves are then stuck giving Andruw $18M for 1 year. If Andruw improves next season, the Braves won’t even be considered for a deal. JS don’t take the bait.

By Lee in S. GA

September 28, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

I honestly see A.J. signing with the Angels. They need another big power bat in the line-up and would probably pay Boras his asking price…which will be too high whatever it is. Braves need to spend their money toward pitching and a less expensive CF.

By TommyP

September 28, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Boras is the best at what he does. Why else would he be talking to DOB about Andruw’s future contract?

Of COURSE he’s going to say a “hometown discount won’t get it done.” Why would he not???

Andruw will price himself out of the Braves range and we’ll be alright.

IF the Braves go get a “stop-gap” CF, I’d be interested in knowing what the Braves feel about dealing for Pittsburgh’s Nate Mclouth.

For some reason, the Pittsburgh brASS is enamored with Chris Duffy and Nyjer Morgan but not so much Mclouth.

Mclouth has finally had the starting gig this year since about August due to injuries and has been pretty impressive, albeit under the radar.

Since August, he’s hit .280, has a .379 OBP, 10 homers, 26 ribbies, and had 16 steals (one caught stealing). Actually, he’s only been caught stealing twice….in his career.

Nothing elaborate on the surface but a nice, cheap pickup if the Braves do decide to go that way.

‘Cause Cameron would be a horrible pickup.

By Typhoid Mary

September 28, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Did someone actually mention the “H” word???? Hampton!!!!!! Seriously , in the history of sports has ANY one individual collected more money from more teams by SITTING on his dead bottom??? Michael Hampton of Central Florida is a fraud of such magnitude as to not even be capable of registering on the Richter Scale!!

Michael Hampton!!!!!!And you are counting on him to do what???? He did build a beautiful and formidable home on the outskirts of Denver that I had the pleasure of walking through a few years back, but besides build homes from the wealth garnered from IDIOTS who somehow believed he had longevity approaching that of an ice cube in the Azores, what exactly has this medical breakdown ever done???

Mike Hampton—If character, pride and concern for one’s ultimate final destination had any meaning this year’s payoff(LOL) for service NOT RENDERED would be disbursed to a charity looking into cures for Chronic Injury Syndrome—Mike, You are NOT a joke, but ANYBODY BELIEVING IN YOU CERTAINLY QUALIFIES.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

About KJ he hasnt live up to the expectations

Wow! This is the biggest load of garbage I’ve ever heard on this blog.

Johnson has hit .277/.374/.458. He’s easily been one of the top ten second basemen in the game this season.

By Roy

September 28, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

bye,bye you can’t hit anymore anyway.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Mark, I ticked you off defending Kelly Johnson, huh?

Maybe that’s because bashing one of the top ten second basemen in the game is pretty idiotic.

.277/.374/.458. Need I say more?

By Paladin

September 28, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

I had a horrible nightmare last night. I dreamed I was a Muts fan. Drinking plenty of coffee so I don’t go back to sleep.

By dylan

September 28, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

look at all you fairweather, bandwagon fands. he has one bad offensive year (in ten seasons by the way) and you got idiots saying he can’t hit anymore. wait; didnt he have 51 homers a little while ago? and last i checked, he’s still the best defensive outfielder in the game. you people who say they need to trade andruw; that he can’t hit anymore; that he’s not as good as when he came in, you guys are retarded and shouldn’t post on sports you obviously have no idea about. in quoting mike gundy…”you’re sick…you make me want to puke.”

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

I’m not sure why everyone is so down on Mike Cameron. He’s played 140 plus games every year except one since 1998. He’s also not going to require a huge contract and will likely provide more bang for the buck than just about any option out there. And check out his stats away from PETCO over the last two seasons.

By marc

September 28, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

What about putting Kelly Johnson back in the outfield and Escobar at second?

By Mike Gundy

September 28, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

I’m a grown man! I’m 40 years old!

By father time

September 28, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

I’m a grown man! I’m 40 years old!

Pity! We could have done so much better job of raising you.

By Thrillhouse44

September 28, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

So, does anyone know the story on this Jordan Schaffer kid? I’ve heard his name pop up a couple times recently, but I hadn’t heard much about him before.

By Vinny Vegas

September 28, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

(1)Bet on Andruw signing elsewhere.

(2)Bet on Mike Cameron being the Braves new CF for at least 2 years.

(3)Bet on Cameron being more productive than most of you think.

(4)Bet on Hampton not providing much help next season.

(5)Bet on Renteria being traded for an average starting pitcher.

(6)Bet on the Braves signing 1 Free Agent average pitcher in the off-season.

(7)Bet that Glavine is a good option if the Mets fail to make the playoffs. (Wonder how much fun he is having at present time . …. Winning is fun Tommy….losing is not

(8)Bet on Chuck James being traded eventually. The guy surrenders up too many homers and a 3rd pitch will not be the answer to this.

(9)Bet on Woodward and Orr being released and becoming former MLB players.

(10)Bet on at least 7 new roster players by the start of next season.

By ssiscribe

September 28, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

I woke up this morning. The sun is shining. The skies are blue. My vacation is about to start.

Most importantly and above all else, my son is feeling better, after being sick for two days. Less important, my Internet connection appears to be working properly again, which helps when you work from home.

All is well, even if the 2007 chase for October is over for my favorite baseball team. Listening to Smoltz give up those four runs in the first last night was tough, but as we all know, there are other things out there much more important.

Still hurts just a bit, though. That comes with caring so much about a sports team. When you fall just short, as this team has, it’s frustrating.

But it’s been fun nonetheless. I’ve so enjoyed the blog this year. I’ve so enjoyed being back in Atlanta. I’ve so enjoyed going to games and sharing the experiences with my sons.

It’s over. It’s OK. I’m still proud of the Braves.

Now, the rest of the races (noted transition by the Scribe): Wow, think the NY media is ready to rip apart what’s left of the Mets? I’d love for the Phillies to win the division. Utley and Rollins and Howard are great players. Manuel never gets the credit he deserves.

Personally, I’m rooting for the Phillies and the Cubs to win their divisions, and for the Rockies to win either the wild card or the West. However it turns out, I hope the NL champ wins the World Series, even if I think the AL is so much stronger.

That’s it. That’s all I got. Off I go into the offseason, starting Monday in Vegas. I’ll be around, just not as much.

Sigh, the offseason sucks. But life goes on.

How many days until pitchers and catchers report?

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Thrillhouse44

September 28, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

What do the Braves get for Chuck James?

By KC

September 28, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

Does anyone have Metro Man on suicide watch just in case?

We should probably do that. We may disagree, but that doesn’t mean we don’t care.

By Slasher

September 28, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Serbok the vampire eats at Burger King and McDonald’s and endorses Wendy’s?! Next we will find out that Michael Myers goes to Chuckie Cheese.

By Spinelli

September 28, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

DOB: I was at the game last night and saw something very interesting and was wondering if you could clarify. During batting practice I was standing to the left of the Braves dugout and saw JS. A few minutes later Francouer came in and JS stopped him and they were having a conversation which lasted about 45 minutes to an hour. I was wondering if JS could have been initializing contract talks. It seems a little far fetched or strange for these kind of talks to be going on in the dugout but I was just curious if there could be any merit to it. Also I think I saw Terry McGuirk (sp?) watching batting pratice behind the screen. Excuse my ignorance but I found that strange for a person in his position to be down on the field, so I was thinking maybe that had something to do with the conversation between JS and JF. In your opinion could this mean anything or is this something that occurs regularly?

By Robert

September 28, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

O’Brien blows.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

According to Baseball Prospectus the Mets odds of blowing it on September 12th were 500-to-1.

By Paladin

September 28, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

I have broken up with Fat Chick. She not only sang off-key last night, she acted as if she enjoyed it. The next thing you know that beaych will be giving out anatomical details on here. Can’t have that.

By Justin

September 28, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

He will go to the Yankees and will not produce. They will overpay him, he will be out of the national league and we will get someone very decent in center that wont choke. The reason we didn’t make the playoffs this year is Andruw Jones. If we had any other player that hit .300 or was consistant we would be alright. Most of his production came when it just didn’t matter. In real business we payed him a lot of money to hurt our team, it doesn’t make good business sense to resign him. He will have another bad season, he never hits for average and the defense is unmatched, but sersiously when we had Otis Nixon in center, he looked pretty good out there, so did Lofton. The sad part is that he hasn’t reached his potential and will never reach what he really could have been and that could have been scary. Mark Teixeira is cheaper and better.

By Paladin

September 28, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Robert If O’Brien “blows”, you are the season’s latest-named Hurricane. Please go to Mexico.

By doc

September 28, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

mudge, cool dude, must admit i was heart broken the year of the swoon in 1964, couldnt believe it. liked the underdog and really liked robin roberts (admit he may have been retired or on his last legs in 64). what was his nickname, “rapid?”. had the crazy dude at first dick allen, no? quite a fall that year. was a braves fan before they got here but also somehow ended up following the phillies especially in the year that mauch led them up and let them fall. nice perspective from the other side to, it is all good and really cant be anti anything in my life. sooo if the mets come through so be it as the march was long and they prevailed.

as far as the braves they all got to look in the mirror and really see what let them down, it will be staring them right in the face. everyone of the leaders on this team has faltered when it counted this year with no one individual ready or willing to carry the team like andruw did two years ago, the pitchers for years or chipper, maybe the shef, etc. the blame goes all around if they are honest and it is a team game after all.

dont repect those that are willing to point the finger even if it is chipper during an unbelievable year, it still didnt get er done. funny how karma is when dob signals the mvp award to none other than our chipper he comes up with a throwing error at a critical point in a game as does smoltz the next night. need to get a few gamers, cameron might be a good fit as a start, wouldnt give away the main gamer we got in rentaria for two above avg starters because if we get one then with the track record it breaks down, look only to len barker in the old days or gonzalez this year.

though i might be considered a fly by nighter by some i come here daily to read dob as he is that good and usually read off his comments as to where to go to read others comments of interes so i know most, proably have the longest relationship with the honorable foreign journalist. have been here from the inception though i cant say i read it all though so much of it is good. with that lead in i am going to say shaun you have a lot of good ideas but at times you take shots at folks then you are like a hit and run driver that you dont come back when there is an appropriate response and only either ignore it when you are wrong or simply come up with a derogatory emotional irrelevant name such as stupid, idiot, etc. it like using foul language only suggests that you either dont have command of the language, your facts or your emotions.

overall a good year for the braves or, say it was better year. kelly johnson carried a huge load and did well or better than expected, see thorman, or other cast offs/non-performers from the beginning. if he were on my team i would use him as the deluxe utilitarian guy who is athletic and smart enough of a player to play all over and keep him in the line-up even if it means in left field. for more than the first time i will say i’d keep rentarea and escobar in the infield beside each other. i think escobar plays better with edgar beside him at bat abd in the field. let him grow a bit before letting the mainstay of this team in rentaria go.

now it is on to the playoffs and hot stove.

By Lew

September 28, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

Mark-You still don’t get it, do you (not really surprising, actually, you never have been the brightest bulb)? Apologizing to me is ridiculous. You weren’t giving me a hard time. I, too am glad the Mets folded-if you’d been here regularly, you’d know I catch more grief from the Trolls than anyone here-mainly because I give as good as I get. The difference is that I respond to them when they come HERE giving us crap. I have never posted on a Mets’ blog. Why the hell would I want to? My problem with Mets fans is not that they are Mets fans, but because they come to our neighborhood and give us grief. Why would I want to indulge in behavior that I don’t condone in others? That would make me a hypocrite. You thought it was so funny last night, encouraging others to go to their neighborhood (more like a funeral home last night) and to rub their noses in their own wretchedness. What I saw posted by Braves’ fans there was every bit as bad as NoBrainZone and The Drooling Fool post on their worst days-disgusting. Dude, you seemingly can’t seem to grasp the concept that even with the Mets’ monumental collapse, they still will end up with a better record than us. You say this means nothing? If you can’t see how disingenuous your actions are, you are even more clueless than I’ve always thought you are.

Take this blog seriously? You better F@#$ing A believe it Dude. This is Mr. Lew’s neighborhood (as well as other loyal denizens) and you’d do well to remember that. You don’t soil our carpet intentionally and if your Mama housebroke you, you don’t crap on your neighbor’s floor, either.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it a cruel bit of irony that the Braves playoff hopes were dashed by their two aces who were the only reason they even were in the race to begin with. While this has been a helluva frustrating season the team should take solace that they will finish with a winning record and improved from last year. At least going into this offseason the team only needs to really get one person and that is a quality starter. I know. Easier said than done.

As disappointing as it is the Braves won’t make the playoffs, it almost makes it all better watching the Mets crumble before our very eyes. Not really anything against the players but the fans and a**clowns that trespass on this blog spewing their crap and venom. I think its hilarious that the “Amazins” are choking like Bush senior in Japan.

Is it just me or does anybody else find it interesting that No Chop Zone hasn’t been on here flapping his gums about how great the Mets are how Pedro will come back and be “Cy Young like”. Whatever. These jobbers may not even make the playoffs. I would laugh my a** off if the Rockies get in and the Mets are staying home.

And I don’t want to hear any Mets fans talking about how the Braves didn’t make it either. While that is true, the Braves didn’t blow a seven game lead with 2 1/2 weeks to go.

By Tiger

September 28, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Let him go, he not worth 75Mil for 5 years.

By Lee in S. GA

September 28, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Mark Teixeira is cheaper and better.

Justin - I agree Tex is a better hitter than A.J. but I sure hope you are right about him being cheaper. Boras is going to ask a lot for him. There will be no hometown discount on that either.

By T-Bone

September 28, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

I won’t miss Andruw at all. He’s gotten progressively slower in the field. He’s gotten progressively worse at the plate. I say take the moeny we would spend on him and re-sign Tex.

By Thrillhouse44

September 28, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Did Robert actually bash someone besides Bobby?!?

By Amber

September 28, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

*By Patrick

September 27, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

hey guys. i was at the game in philly last night and was perched out by the braves’ bullpen the whole game. don’t get me wrong, i am no fan of philly, but i will have to give it to their fans, they gave our bullpen heck the whole game. we need to do this in atlanta. check out this video of their fans heckling peter moylan:*

Yep, I’ll hand it to the Philly fans - they can get drunk and yell stupid s—- with the best of ‘em.

What can I say about ‘druw and Boras$? If you don’t want to show any loyalty to the Braves, if you want “fair market value,” then have at it. We’ve got no reason to overpay based on some sense of loyalty, and about two fans in Atlanta will be sorry to see you go.

I’d rather spend the money on Tex - we don’t have to overlook offensive crappiness to justify the money.

By alan B

September 28, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

AJ has absolutely no concept, nor does he care, about the BRAVES TEAM. Obviuosly, AJ cannot put his pull-hitter ego aside to help the TEAM. And this has a subtle effect on young players (McCann, Francoeur, KJ, etc.) When they don’t see the TEAM effort, they are less inclined, over the couurse of a season, to think and perform that way. Also, they would tend to ignore gradually Pendleton’s advice and coaching. Hit a homer instead of going to right center for a hit kind of thing. Chipper & Tex are exceptions but are also veteran players.

I say GOODBYE…AJ is NOT worth 5/75 mil.

Also…adios to Wilson, Harris & Thorman. Some production is needed from the bench and these guys have not performed.

By DirtyDawg

September 28, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

I think you’re dead wrong…Andruw will realize that there are only a few teams that’ll possibly pay all that money Boros keeps telling him he’s worth…he’ll look at those markets and come to realize that probably only in Atlanta - a place that’s been home to him for the past 10 years - could he expect to be appreciated this much and allowed to live a good life without being run out of town on a rail if he didn’t produce. Look at ARod, he was a pariah last year in NY…LA wasn’t very kind to J. D. Drew…and he can ask Edgar about Boston…Wrigley Field doesn’t have padding on the OF walls…and who want’s to live in Cleveland, Washington or Dallas?

He’ll be back and Boros will resign as his agent over it.

And while I’m here, please, please, don’t keep keep talking about what a great job Kelly Johnson has been doing. He’s perhaps the sorriest defensive second-baseman I’ve ever seen and even though his play last night wasn’t obvious in it’s negative effect, it contributed in ways that baseball people know and don’t like. Just one example, where was he on the Smoltz overthrow to first last night? If he’d been in position backing up Texiera, no runs would have scored on the play and then you’ve got a chance to get out of the inning.

And furthermore, Brian McCann needs to spend the off-season learning how to catch - particularly blocking balls in the dirt. One day we’ll rue that other day when we let Salty go…I already do.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

By the way Chris Woodward should be released as soon as the last out is recorded Sunday and then on Monday JS and the Braves should file formal charges on him for grand larceny. That man has stole $800,000.00 from this year. And, while JS is down at the courthouse he needs to press charges against Mark Redman as well.

By Rosalynn

September 28, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

That is such a shame about those New Yahk Mets. Those boahs seem to have come all apaht. Ah realla think that Tom Glavine would have won a few moah games if he did not suffa from cold ring finga. Jimma’s fingas used to get cold on the submahrine and Jimma would lah his hand on the toasta while Cooka was makin’ Jimma some toast. That would alwahs take cah of cold ring finga. Ah will watch all the remainin’ games but mah heaht huhts foah mah Braves.

By Paladin

September 28, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Rosalynn With jjs on hiatus, you are this blog’s only “trip”. Thanks. :>)

By Greg in TN

September 28, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Good morning denizens…

First and foremost, a heartfelt thank you to everyone in the Braves organization. 2007 didn’t end up how me or any of you would have liked, but that’s baseball.

This year has been a rollercoaster. Sheer and utter joy at the fast start, frustration at how the back end of the rotation pitched many nights, pride and joy at watching Huddy rebound like he did and Smoltz anchoring the pitching staff. I saw Peter Moylan really come into his own this year and I saw Rafael Soriano stake his claim at the closer’s role for next year. I saw Kelly Johnson play better than I would have expected at second (and yes folks, that’s even after his backhand misadventure the other night. Context, context, context folks, you have to look at the whole picture).

Really delighted with what Frenchy did at the plate and in the field this year (and I think he needs to stay right where he is folks. We need that cannon of his in right picking guys off at the plate). Chipper had an MVP calibur season and may have had it had it not been for the collision at third in the Steel City.

I couldn’t ask for more from Teixeira. He has been absolutely as advertised and even with all of the grumbling about not getting a starter at the trade deadline (and to be honest, we just weren’t going to get a servicable starting pitcher at that point gang. No way, no how). Looking back, we would have been out of this race a lot sooner had we not made that trade IMO.

What didn’t go well? Hampton’s injury in spring training really put us behind the 8-ball (I’ll say it again, I don’t blame the guy for what happened, he wanted to go, very badly, but fate intervened again). At the time, the only viable alternative was to try Redman, that didn’t work. Ditto Tanyon Sturtze, Willy Aybar, Craig Wilson, Scott Thorman, Chris Woodward. Losing Renteria during a critical stretch really affected this team, so much so that I really question whether we can afford to go into 2008 without the guy. Losing Mike Gonzalez was a blow to the pen, and then having a very ineffective Bob Wickman cost us dearly.

It’s been a wonderful ride in 2007 friends. Hopefully I’ll be able to blog a little more in the offseason and 2008, because I really enjoy the banter back and forth from the denizens and from our esteemed blogmeisters, the Notorious DOB and the lovely Carroll Rogers.

Lots of ground to cover, I like to keep my thoughts brief, so since I failed to do that, just sign me up for the brevity training at the Dark Star, Braveheart…

Have some more thoughts about AJ/Bora$, but I’ll save them for a little later.

By DirtyDawg

September 28, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

alan B…if you mean ‘Craig’ Wilson, I hate to be the one to tell you but he ain’t been around since July, or was it June? And Thorman’s gonna be a big producer for somebody soon. My take is that that they’ll keep him until they’re sure they can afford Texiera…and even they can’t afford him they’ll still keep him (Thorman, that is).

By Mike

September 28, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

I don’t know exactly why, but I have never really felt warm and fuzzy with Andrew Jones. It may be the “I don’t care, this is all a big joke - smirk” he has on his face when he strikes out, or what, but I have never felt he has given 100%. Maybe it is just me. On the other hand, he has made some unbelievable defensive plays. This apathetic attitude of his makes me feel like saying if we get him for reasonable money, then fine. Otherwise - so long. There are other great athletes coming up through the system - just as he once did. What does it for me, is in the very year before what should be his largest and most lucrative long-term contract (and probably his last), he puts up the kind of disapointing numbers he has this year. Instead of burning the league up with eye-popping play to enhance his value, his apathy takes over. This is why I say, take him if reasonable, otherwise move on …

By DAP

September 28, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

i dont think it would be bad to offer andruw arbitration. what have we been talking about on here? weve been saying “try to give hima one year deal!” well guess what? arbitration is basically a one year deal! the alternatives were are look at is signing a stop gap type player for a few years anyway, so if andruw DID accept arbitration (which he wont, boras just said that he wouldnt accept a one year deal) we might have to pay him quite a bit, but it would still be just one year. but, it doesnt matter, he wont accept arbitration.

By Hammy the Brave

September 28, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

DOB,

Don’t you think there’s some way JS can find out if other teams will offer him multi-year contracts, and then offer him arb. to be sure to get draft picks? I really don’t believe in losing a player of his ability/reputation, with no compensation in return, that’s not a good business decision.

In the same vein, I’m of the opinion that JS missed an opportunity in 2006 to trade Andrew for pitching. It was obvious by late May/June we didn’t have a good team, and he should have taken a more serious approach to restocking our major league pitching.

Do you know what teams other than Boston he talked to? I wonder if he couldn’t have gotten Brad Penny(head case, bad second half guy)and their LF prospect Kemp.

This may seem like water-under-the-bridge to you, but to me it seems like JS may have let his pride/age get in the way of needing to rebuild our pitching staff.

Love to hear your reply,

Hammy the Brave

By Renegator

September 28, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

DOB:

The Braves stats do prove that they are one of the top three teams in the NL. Then how come they aren’t going to make the post season?

One easy answer (for everyone except Shaun): Bad management by a past his prime manager.

Shauns answer: Baseball is 100% luck.

By Paladin

September 28, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Springsteen sung it on the Today show today, “It’s Your Hometown”. And, it’s our Home Team! Go Braves!! I’d rather be a Braves in last place than a Mut, Foolie or you name it, in first place. They gave it a run and you have to love ‘em for it.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

doc, I try to avoid getting caught up in the name calling but sometimes it happens when folks attack you or are just so blatantly wrong For instance, Kelly Johnson hasn’t lived up to expectations this season. I’m sorry, but that is just an idiotic thing to say. Sometimes I have to call it like I see it.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

jimmy smith says “hi” to doc. not sure that jimmy smith still qualifies as a “foreign journalist”. have been doing most of jimmy smith’s journalism right here. this journalist hopes the braves will make improvements during the off-season and will make spring training something more than it has been. jimmy smith thinks diaz and escobar and prado were robbed after spring training last year. journalist hopes the braves will sign a player that can run like a hartebeest. one last thing, the more jimmy smith thinks about it the more jimmy smith thinks diaz is one of the very best players on this team. can someone convince bobby?

By rabdab

September 28, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Good riddance to Andruw “Gold Club” Jones. Even w/ no power, Willie in CF this year playing every day w/ Diaz in left would have been a big improvement over AJ’s strikeout-and-smirk routine.

Btw, was anyone else shocked at the gall of the Hampton quote in the paper yesterday? Something like “Yes, starting pitching’s definitely been a weak point”. Yeah, thanks to you riding the injured reserve for two years!

By Andy

September 28, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

How does one establish the “fair market value” for a guy who hit .220 (under the Mendoza line after the sixth inning), and who has killed more rallies than the Chinese National Army?

For only the second time in my life, I booed a Braves player this season - when Andruw didn’t hustle on a grounder in Smoltz’s 200th. I’ve always loved Andruw, defended him at every turn, but I think it’s time for him to go.

By Andy

September 28, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Why hasn’t Oscar Villarreal pitched in over two weeks? At this pace, Peter Nerdbucket Moylan will not have a right arm he can feel to throw a ball next year….

By Buffalo NY Braves fan

September 28, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

My take on the Andruw situation is this….

Boras pulled the same trick with Andruw back when Andruw signed his current deal with the Braves. Andruw got sick of Boras and fired him. Then Andruw told his dad what he was looking for, and they got a deal done with the Braves.

I can see that happening this year as well. Boras will be to busy counting his cash when A-Rod signs to deal with Andruw and trying to bait teams to overspend for him.

Maybe Boras will give the Braves a multi-player discount…. They can try to sign Tex and AJ at the same time.

By Steve Geddie

September 28, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

All of DOB’s points about Andruw’s poor hitting bring up a good question: Why in the hell was he hitting fourth most of the year? That, my friends, falls on the manager. Defense aside, how many runs did Andruw give away because he won’t try to do anything other than pull the ball out of the ball park?

Good-bye and good riddance. A 7th place hitter isn’t worth 20 million per year, and that’s all Andruw Jones is or ever will be again.

By KC

September 28, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Vinny Vegas: My 2 cents…

(1)Bet on Andruw signing elsewhere. Yup.

(2)Bet on Mike Cameron being the Braves new CF for at least 2 years.

No, I wouldn’t bet on it… but there’s certainly a decent chance of that happening. Cameron could easily price himself out of the Braves plans. NOT because the Braves will be on a tight budget again (based on McGuirk’s comments, it appears that will not be the case), but because the Braves don’t overpay for players. They never have, and never will.

(3)Bet on Cameron being more productive than most of you think.

If the Braves did sign Cameron and retained Willie Harris… that could be an awesome platoon. Cameron wears out lefties, which is obviously Harris’ weakness.

(4)Bet on Hampton not providing much help next season.

No. I will not bet on that. And neither should you. No one’s banking on him this time around. But to bet against him would be a mistake.

(5)Bet on Renteria being traded for an average starting pitcher.

He’ll be traded. You’re correct. Though it will probably be as PART of a deal for a quality starter, or for a CF.

(6)Bet on the Braves signing 1 Free Agent average pitcher in the off-season.

If they sign a free agent pitcher, it’ll most likely be Glavine. And by today’s standards… he’s above average, even at his age.

(7)Bet that Glavine is a good option if the Mets fail to make the playoffs. (Wonder how much fun he is having at present time . …. Winning is fun Tommy….losing is not

I agree, obviously.

(8)Bet on Chuck James being traded eventually. The guy surrenders up too many homers and a 3rd pitch will not be the answer to this.

There are fixes to the problem of giving up too many longballs. Soriano had to make a late season adjustment to correct the same problem. I don’t know if Chuck will be able to pull it off or not… but this was only his first full season in the bigs. Don’t write him off just yet. If he is traded this winter, it would only be as part of a deal for a proven quality starter.

(9)Bet on Woodward and Orr being released and becoming former MLB players.

I wouldn’t BET on either of those things happening. There’s a chance both will be gone (I certainly hope Woodward is)… but I suspect one of them will remain. We’ll see.

(10)Bet on at least 7 new roster players by the start of next season.

You may very well be right.

By Websters

September 28, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Nerdbucket A “fan” that comes on the blog and calls a pitcher who has pitched his heart out for the team, derogatory names.

BTW “Andy”, is your sister named “Mandy” and your mother named “Candy” and your daddy named “Sandy”?

By Charlie W

September 28, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Good analysis….Our interleague schedule also played a critical role in our “close but no cigar” finish! Charlie in Greenville, SC

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Shaun, I agree with you about Kelly Johnson. He has played great at 2B and his defense, while not Gold Glove caliber by any means, is solid. Plain and simple this team isn’t as good without him on it. I’ll be the first to admit that I wanted Belliard or Loretta but in the end Kelly Johnson was every bit as good as those guys and CHEAPER!

As for Andruw, I think JS should just cut the ties. First of all, it is asinine for anybody to think that he will sign a one year contract and do it at $15 mil or less. That is ridiculous. Anybody who doesn’t think that somebody will give him a 5yr deal @ $80 mil at least is crazy. For the love of God people, Gary Matthews Jr. received a 5yr/$50 mil deal based upon one good season. Andruw has a track record. I don’t think it is one that warrants the Braves giving him a truckload of money but some team will.

Say what you want about Scott Boras but he does an excellent job at selling his clients and he gets them the best financial deal possible. Sure it benefits him but it also benefits the player. JD Drew all but stole $14 mil from the Red Sox this year and Boras received $1.4 of it. JD got the rest. I could live with that.

Teams like the Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Rangers, Yankees, Phillies will line up at the door to sign Andruw. And other teams like the Nats, Giants, Cardinals, Astros, Tigers, Red Sox, Orioles, and White Sox will all give him some serious consideration. And, all of those teams likely will buy Boras’ argument that Andruw had an off year and is worth the risk. And all of those teams will likely give him more than a one year contract. Don’t think that Boras won’t play Andruw’s injuries up and use those as an excuse.

Mark my words. Andruw will be making at least $16 mil next year.

By wolfpackjac

September 28, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Goodbye Andruw, your plate discipline will not be missed. Take your “0-for” games somwhere else.

By flange1

September 28, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Good Morning to All,

A few random thoughts,

Thanks to the Braves players and front office for a fun year. All of us would have liked to have different results, but the team finished strong and has many strengths to build upon for next year and years to come.

Thanks Andruw for your great career as an Atlanta Brave. It has been a pleasure and an honor to watch you play centerfield. Some of the plays that you have made are truely unbelievable. Would love to have you back, but with SB as your agent, that will not happen. I hope the grass is greener, not just the money!

Thanks KJ for a great year. Your transition from OF to 2B has not been perfect, but you have worked hard and it shows. I think that you will be an excellent hitter as you get more experence. I can already see you watching Chipper’s left handed swing and copying some of his best moves, which will make you a better hitter. I have a feling you might be moving back to the outfield next year, but keep up the good work.

Thanks Edgar for being a true pro. If more players had your desire and work ethic, it would be a far better game. I hope you will be in Braves uniform next year, but you never know.

Thanks Chipper for another great year. You are one of the best hitters I have ever had the pleasure of watching. Have a healthy off season!

Thanks to Smoltz and Hudson for being great pitchers. The 2 of you give the Braves hope for next year.

Thanks to Tex for a great 1/2 season. Can’t wait to see you for the full year next year. Hope you will sign here long term.

Thanks to Yunel for showing us your awesome talent and drive. I can’t wait to watch you as a full time player for years to come.

Next year should be very interesting. I look forward to seeing B jones and Lilibridge and Blanco in Atlanta uniforms. Hope we can get a number 3 starter and that Mike Hampton can return strong and ready.

JS, good luck with this off season! I know it is going to be an interesting one!

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Robert (Justice Is The Best), even if Kelly Johnson’s defense is below average (which I do think it is) it’s still not so bad that the Braves should take his bat out of the lineup.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Here is a good question for everybody. What would be the better CF option next year? Mike Cameron or Corey Patterson? I’m not here to necessarily advocate one or the other. Just asking. I figure they both will get about the same kind of money. Patterson could get a longer contract but I don’t think even Boras could pull off more than three years. Cameron has more power but Patterson has more speed. They both hit for about the same average. They are both solid defensively. Patterson probably a bit better. Patterson is about five years younger.

Or what about this. The Braves pull off a trade with the Tigers and acquire Curtis Granderson sending Renteria to the Tigers. The Braves can then spend that extra money on a one year deal for Glavine and pray that Hampton can come back healthy and that Chuck James or JoJo Reyes figures it out during the offseason and both along with Bennett are ready to be starters in 2009?

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Robert (Justice Is The Best),

Patterson’s career OBP is .298 and his career high is .329. He should be in the midst of his prime but his OBPs over the last two seasons are .314 and .304.

Cameron has posted a .328 OBP this year…at age 34…while playing half his games in an extreme pitcher’s park.

It’s not even close as to who’s the better option out of those two, even at Cameron’s more advanced age. Simply no contest. If Cameron were going to command $10-15 million a year, maybe the choice is a little tougher, but he’s not. And as it stands, the choice is not close at all.

By Tomahawkin

September 28, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Robert (JIB) I’ve been wanting patterson in da “A” for years, Cameron strikes out way too much, and he’s as streaky as A. Jones. Plus Cameron’s defense is no where near the level it was when we saw him in Cincinnati in 99… Patterson is capable of stealing 30 bases a year and has a better overall Defense than Cameron…

Well the parties are on tonite, If thats any consolation for us being knoeked out, I’m on da phillies bandwagon to overtake the Mutts

Oh yea There’s no way we can get Granderson…He, Reyes and Rollins are Playmakers, People I’d pay to see

By A CONCERNED ANDRUW FAN

September 28, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

ON SCOTT BorA$$ — AND A FEW THOUGHTS TO ANDRUW

BorA$$ won’t go for a one year deal with Andruw for one very good reason: He’s fearful Andruw WON’T COME BACK again next season. And if so, BorA$$ won’t get the kind of paycheck he believes HE DESERVES.

You see it’s not really about Andruw. It’s all about Scott and his money.

Wake up Andruw. Sir Scott is not for you or anyone else — and he’s certainly not for the good of baseball. He’s FOR HIMSELF!

He wants his big “Andruw Jones paycheck” and is willing to use you, Andruw, to get it. At the expense of what’s fair. What’s just. And what’s best for you.

Here’s my advice Andruw: Take an incentive laden one year contract with the Braves. Start at say 6 million a year — and then if you have the kind of year you believe you once again can have, let it go back up into the 10 million plus range again.

After all you’ll have to admit that your stats this year don’t measure up to the $13 plus million you’ve been getting.

Take the off season to make the necessary adjustments to come back next year. Go back to doing what you did in 2005 when you carried the team with Chipper out. But realize Andruw, you have to make the necessary adjustments.

The first: Get rid of Scott BorA$$ and negotiate in good faith with the Braves as you did before.

We’d like to see you stay with the Braves for your entire career. But you have to know realistically, it can’t happen with BorA$$ at the helm. And it won’t happen if you’re expecting big money and a long term contract with the Braves based on this season’s production.

IT’S NOT TOO LATE TO DUMP BorA$$ and remain a Brave. It’s up to you Andruw!

Take an incentive laden contract and stay with the Braves! I for one would like you to stay a Brave for life! And so would a lot of other fans — if you can get back to being the Andruw we’ve known you to be in the past!

By Tomahawkin

September 28, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

D.O.B. I probably won’t post here this weekend (Gotta work and party at nite)

Gotta Give Nuff respect to the Coverage you’ve provided on the Braves all year…

Are you gonna be doing any postseason coverage?

And furthermore Why is everyone hatin on Kelly Johnson, the way some of you sound, one would think he’s being paid Renteria type money… Stop complaining…He is a much better upgrade than the guy’s we’ve had in the past (Excluding Giles, but I’m including Lockhart, and Quilvio veras however)

By Jay Dub

September 28, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Robert,

Not a snowball’s chance in Hades that the Tigers are going to trade away Granderson, especially for a one-year Renteria rental. That kid is something special.

BTW - my vote goes to Patterson.

By drixie

September 28, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Take a hike Andruw and Boras.

By Mother Fletcher's Stormdoor & Airline Company

September 28, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

We are pleased to announce that we are now taking reservations for our charter flight to Orlando for Scoots’ Brevity and “Will you please, shut the %$#@up” Class.

CL will be the pilot and Pappy Paladin will be co-pilot and handle all radio transmissions. “Whadda you mean we are on the wrong runway? You cleared us to 285 didn’t you? Damn pencil neck! Let me talk to your effing supervisor!”

Lady Chablis will be the stewardess in 1st Class while Stinky will be working tourist. Better make your reservations early.

The inflight movie will be Robert’s production of Bobby Cox, My Heel of Dreams with constant interuptions by Braveheart and Savannah Guy.

Our airline’s motto is: Orlando or Bust. Let us serve you!

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Tomahawkin, you’re forgetting that Paterson will probably make an out in close to 70 percent of his plate appearances.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Mornin’ from 90-degree Houston. Just checked into my hotel, after 7:20 a.m. flight.

Before I forget, I’d highly recommend Bull’s BBQ at the Philly ballpark for anyone who sees a game there. Very good Q. I had the pork sandwich, but the turkey looked quite tasty, too. I know, I know, turkey ain’t real Q. But it looked great….

Trade Granderson? Ha. Not happening….

T-hawkin’, thanks. And agree on Kelly. He’s faded in the last month, but the overall stats exceed expectations. The backhanded play is killing him; it’s in his head now, as Hubby told me two weeks ago. But he’ll work on that all winter and I’d think he’d be a lot better defensively in his second season, if he gets a chance. But if Escobar and Renteria are both on the team, I can’t see them platooning Escobar again. No way.

If Renteria’s not traded, I think Kelly could be. But we’ll see. So much can happen. I’ll let folks know when there’s anything going on. It’s too early yet, team hasn’t even had their organizational meetings, which they’ll do down in Florida in next couple weeks, I’d guess.

As for postseason, our reorganization at the paper comes with new philosophies on coverage, and we’re not covering nearly as much stuff that doesn’t involve local teams or athletes. One cutback in postseason coverage. We’re only sending a columnist (Bradley) to a first-round series and World Series as of now, but still up in air whether I’ll also go to World Series. Might be watching from home just like you … and the Braves.

By Lee in S. GA

September 28, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

It appears most, not all, of the complaints about K.J. is that Escobar would be a better option at 2nd compared to K.J. and most would prefer to keep Renteria also. I think Renteria or Johnson one will be traded…….again the one that brings the best value in return.

I too think Johnson makes the Braves a better team also, although I think LF and batting 7th in the order are better suited for him and makes this even a better and more dangerous team. But then you have the Diaz factor, but I am not sure Cox is gong to play Diaz regularly anyway. It seems he just does not consider him an everyday player for some reason.

I also would like to see a young speedy CF obtained somehow via trade and forget Cameron or Patterson both leadoff. If I had to chose one it would be Cameron over Patterson in a close not runaway call.

I am just glad we as fans just have to accept what J.S. does via trades and ownership does via spending money and either applaud them for making good decisions or have the options of 2nd guessing and complaining about making poor ones. This is part of baseball and makes the game even more interesting as fans and especially on this here blog..

By Arkansas Hillbilly

September 28, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Well, I’ll be in Houston this weekend to catch Saturday’s game. So today is my last chance to blog for the regular season of 2007. We’ll be cheering hard for the Braves no matter what the stakes are. So one last time in 2007…..”Your and idiot.”

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Shaun, I’m with you on the head-scratching attraction of Patterson to ANYBODY. I mean, career OBP under .300? That’s laughable for a power hitter, much less a freakin’ would-be leadoff man.

By tom Robinson

September 28, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Andruw Jones is a classic underachiever, great stats, but not heart, no desire to WIN. Case in point: when most players are in their last season of a contract they have what is called a contract year, but not Andruw. He had a subpar season in his “contract” year

and I can’t help but take note that the braves have YET TO WIN A WORLD SERIES in the 12 seasons he has been on the team.

Let him go and get someone with Heart, Hustle and desire

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Do some of you seriously think Patterson is a good player?

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Tiger, Alan B: Boras agrees with you that Andruw’s not worth five years, $75 mill. Boras thinks he’s worth a LOT MORE and he believes he’ll get it.

By Mother Fletcher's Stormdoor & Airline Company

September 28, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

i-n-t-e-r-r-u-p-t-i-o-n-s. And, if a hippo had a typo, would that make him a hippy?

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Umm…good players don’t post OBPs of .314 and .304 in what should be their peak seasons.

This kind of stuff is why I feel like I have to beat a dead horse on certain subjects—the fact that some people actually believe Corey Patterson is a better option than Mike Cameron…or a lot of other options. I’d rather see Brandon Jones or Kelly Johnson or Yunel Escobar in centerfield before I’d want Corey Patterson out there. The guy is not a good hitter. He would definitely cost the Braves runs.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

DOB, I just threw the Granderson thing out there. I doubt the Tigers would trade him either. Now, if the Braves were to keep both Renteria and Escobar and trade Johnson does that mean they believe Lillibridge will be ready to take over at 2B in 2009?

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

And, DOB, Boras will. I think its insane for anybody to believe that Andruw won’t get at least a three year deal paying at least $16 mil a year. But, I firmly believe that he will get a five year deal from somebody.

By Met Fan

September 28, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Do not treat Andruw Jones the same way next year as you are treating Tom Glavine now. The second after Schuerholz mortgaged half the farm for Texiera, he had no intention of resigning Andruw. The same thing could be said for Tom Glavine. Schuerholz had intended to replace him with a cheaper and younger Mike Hampton. Ha, see how that turned out.

By Braves20

September 28, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Is Scott Boras also Mike Cameron’s agent - and is he posting on this site under assumed names?

This is a man who will be 35 next spring training, who has a .250 lifetime batting average and who more than one major league scout says is far past his prime. (How prime can you be with a career 1 for 4 BA?)

Surely there are options, probably within our system who could provide similar - likely better - numbers at a fraction of the cost while supplying better than average defense.

By GT80

September 28, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

I’m sure everyone saw it, but poor Willie Randolph looks like a guy on a 5 day bender. A meltdown of EPIC proportions! And it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of guys (Mets fans I mean).

So what do the Braves do for next year.
No way should they sign AJ for what Boras wants. AJ, loved watching you play in your prime, defensively that is. I wish you the best wherever you end up, but it ain’t gonna be here, not for anything over 8M/year.
I’d much rather see Rowand than Cameron.

Do we trade Renteria or KJ. Escobar plays either position full time next year.

Gotta get another pitcher, but who is out there?

These last 2 games were the microcosm for the season. Braves still have an outside chance, their ACE pitchers going back to back, and what happens. The ACEs can’t cut it and the offense can’t bail it out. When push came to shove, this team just wasn’t quite good enough.

Oh well, I’ll pull for the Cubbies to break their curse this year. Then the baseball universe can get back on its true axis.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

tom Robinson, So Andruw having great seasons the couple of years before his contract year and an awful year his contract year means he has no heart? I’m not sure I understand. If he has no heart, seems to me he’d have a bigger year his contract year so the “heartless SOB” can get a huge contract.

And I suppose Dale Murphy never had heart. And Albert Pujols didn’t before last season. And Ernie Banks never had heart. I mean there teams never won the World Series.

By Shaun's On; I'm Out

September 28, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

This kind of stuff is why I feel like I have to beat a dead horse on certain subjects…

Uh, make that on ALL subjects, you blog-hogging bore.

By Met Fan

September 28, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Also, Renteria is as good as gone as well. Schuerholz approaches his job like a chess game. He already knows what his next two moves are before he makes a trade. My guess, either Cameron (Atlanta resident, home discount) will be the new centerfielder, or they will find someone in their system. Bobby Cox likes Kelly Johnson too much, he isn’t going anywhere. Count on Kelly Johnson and Escobar as the new double play combo next season.

By Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera

September 28, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Poor DOB, I see you guys at the AJC have gotten the old “localization” pep talk. I’ve been there. My sympathies.

The importance of “monetizing” should be next.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

That Mets blog is one sorry blog. Here’s what the beat writer wrote on his new blog entry today: “I was trying to think of something to write for the blog today, and I’m still trying.”

WTF?!?!?!?!? The team is in the midst of a historical collapse and he is having a hard time finding something to write about?!?!?!? For crying out loud. Dude’s a damn writer, ain’t he? Don’t writers write? Doesn’t adversity give you more to write about? Chrissakes, DOB sneezes and a paragraph comes out of his nose by accident.

Doesn’t matter how the team is doing, doesn’t matter what time of year it is, DOB gives us at least six screens worth of analytical writing, some lyrics, 20 to 25 comments, a notebook, a game story, and a side story throughout the day. I get the feeling he would write even more if his damn job didn’t get in the way so much.

That’s a sorry blog for a sorry team with sorry fans. Dude gave ‘em 3 or 4 paragraphs on a day like this leading to a weekend like this after not updating the thing for an entire week where the team was collapsing before their eyes.

There is no doubt this is the best blog and it is the best blog because of one person and one person only. Without leadership, this would be as chaotic as a Falcons blog or as sorry as a Mets blog. Someone has to set the tone.

By Met Fan

September 28, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Wrong. I am just to disgusted to deal with the Mets right now. If they were to sign Cameron, it would be as a stop gap measure until they could develop someone from the farm.

By KC's Kindred Spirit

September 28, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Mike Hampton will win 30 games in ‘08. Mark it down.

And Pete Orr will win the batting title.

By Steamboat

September 28, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

TommyP, I think McClouth would be a great option for CF. He’s cheap, has very decent hitting numbers (the avg ain’t great, but OBP/SLG are pretty decent), can steal bases (22/23 in 328 abs); Pittsburgh has the top CF prospect McCutchen coming up, so who knows, maybe they’d deal him for the right pieces.

But, they wouldn’t be interested in guys making much money (like Renteria), so we’d have to give up young guys or good prospects, probably.

I said something similar to this the other day and was accused of doing illicit drugs, but: how ‘bout Escobar, Reyes and Boyer to Pit for Ian Snell and McClouth?

By Efrim

September 28, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson has 77 walks. JS should get his head checked if he trades him.

By TNRON

September 28, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

I would like to reiterate that this is,by far,the best baseball blog going and DOB does an outstanding job.I started around the trade deadline when we all were so enthralled with the Tex situation to stay abreast of the situation and got addicted.There are so many of you regulars that have really added a lot to this season and thanks for letting me vent a little frustration from time to time.I have been a Braves fan lifelong and always will.Braves baseball is a passion.As we look to next year there are some positives,always some negatives,but enjoyable none the less.Unlike the Muts,we will be back.Thanks again DOB.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Morning, all. Braveheart, beware DOB stopping suddenly, it may take a H.E.R.O. unit to pull your head out of his behind. :-)

Met fan, why so disgusted with the Mets? I would think this familiar feeling would be comforting.

Boras is on crack; that guy makes me physically ill. What a doosh.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

We can talk all we want about who’s going, who’s coming but one thing’s for sure, we’ll probably not get any of the guys we are all talking about right now. The GM is too unpredictable to know what he is gonna do 2, 3, 4 months from today. Last September, who predicted Horam for Soriano, Laroche for Gonzalez and Lillibridge, signing Wilson and Woodward, Mark Redman, Kelly Johnson playing second base?

BTW, the Phillies did not sell out this week. The Mets sold alot of seats but had alot of empty seats anyway. Remember that the next time Linda Cohn and the ESPN types ridicule Braves fans for not going to games.

By Chop Chop

September 28, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

No beat writer could ever hope to lead the Falcons blog. I happen to think Steve Wyche is pretty good, but there’s no way in hell that Steve could ever hope to shout down the morons. It’s really up to the AJC to set the tone there by banning people for racist posts. Alas, the AJC, by inaction, would rather give those people a forum in which to spew their racist drivel. It’s pathetic.

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Poor DOB, I see you guys at the AJC have gotten the old “localization” pep talk. I’ve been there. My sympathies. The importance of “monetizing” should be next.

…quickly followed by a round of “ideation” on underlying causes of, oh, something. LOL

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Braves20, batting average doesn’t take into account walks or HBP or total bases.

Mike Cameron’s AVG/OBP/SLG the past two seasons away from cavernous Petco:

2006 - .265/.350/.465 2007 - .254/.341/.449

Yes, he will drop off some. But he’s also only making $7 million this season. So he probably won’t command more than $8-9 million, maybe 10 at most, given his age.

Cameron will likely provide solid production at a low price.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

gotta believe we will see julio get one final start at 1st base this weekend. pretty much a no brainer that escobar will play everyday next year at 2nd or short. really believe that they are going to try to trade k.j.. kelly had an above average year but i dont think he will ever be a plus 2nd baseman. that going to his right thing has gotten mental.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop, I agree with you about Wyche. He is a darn good beat writer and reporter but I don’t think he dedicates enough time to creating a blog community where the community eventually polices itself and the blogmaster just needs to make rounds every hour or so tapping his billyclub in his hand and throwing a whipping on a few people every other day or so. Wyche is really good at what he does and I like him but he does not seem committed to the blogging like DOB. A@@kissing again.

By ssiscribe

September 28, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Top of the afternoon, denizens, as the vacation begins not officially, but close enough to light a cigar and grab a water and head outside to finish some small stuff.

Hey, check out the latest edition of ESPN: The Magazine. Got mine today and there’s an interesting story about Boras in there, as part of their powerful people in sports section. Actually a very interesting read. I checked it out during lunch and thought the story was well done (can’t remember who penned it, though). Also, NHL preview is in there and they have Le Thrashers fourth in the SE … WTF?

Now, baseball (noted transition by the Scribe): Well, it’s over. Kinda anticlimatic, isn’t it. Sunday will be the end of an era, with Biggio saying goodbye and TBS signing off Braves baseball coverage and AJ’s final game in a Braves’ uni. And any set in that ballpark down there is interesting, even if it don’t mean jack for the standings.

Now, the Mets (more transition): The New Yorkers are falling apart faster than a cheap house in a hurricane. It’s amazin’, isn’t it, that the Mets fold and suddenly, no trolls. MetroMan, dude, I worry about you. You love your team and you’ve been nothing but classy and fun to me, so I wish you well.

But with that said, let’s go Phills! And for the rest of you, stay the heck outta their blogs; don’t stoop to that level, folks.

Now, postseason coverage (more transition): Is there a real compelling reason for the AJC to staff the Fall Classic? Newspapers have been cutting back resources and demanding more from less for quite some time now. Personally, I’d want to go, but I only did one in my old scribin’ days, and I didn’t have to fly anywhere to write about it.

Now, Vegas (oh yeah, you knew this was coming): The time is close at hand. I see, from scanning previous postings, that the Arizona Fall League Scribin’ Seminar has been moved to Dark Star come spring training. Fine with me. The warm sunshine of Lake Buena Vista will provide a great setting for Scribin’ 101, and if you can write anything coherent with the annoying Stacy Q and the accompanying Disney sound effects blaring constantly throughout the game, you’ve passed the concentration test.

I’m ready to get it up outta here. Time to put the Red Hot Chili Peppers remake of “Love Rollercoaster” — any denizens know how to link that song to Vegas?? — and start counting down to next week’s getaway.

Guess I’ll still watch the playoffs. I always do, Braves or not.

Enjoy your weekend, denizens. The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Chop Chop

September 28, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Hey. I have an idea…

Grinch, why don’t you show Linda Cohn what it’s like to be with a real Braves fan? You’d probably have to fight Mr. Met off, but that would be easily done. Just pretend you’re a playoff berth.

Would you do…?

(I found that on a Google search of Mr. Met and Linda Cohn. Funny stuff.)

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Braveheart goes spot on at 1:44 re Schuerholz’s Machiavellian nature. If it seems obvious, it’s unlikely to be in that man’s plans. So, those who would like to see Cameron, Rowand, or just about anybody else, in a Braves’ uni would be wise not to mention it on the blog. JS will see it, and immediately discard the idea as “too obvious”. Be warned.

Oh, and that ESPECIALLY goes for players named Figgins, Freel, Crawford, and Baldelli.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

bravehear,

linda cohn actually looks like john elway. she makes me ill what an elitist self absorbed snob. just another idiot who thinks the world revolves around new york.

By michael

September 28, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

I hope that Jones and Renteria will go. May be the sportswriter will find some elese to blame for the Braves problems. If you don’t pith well you cannot win. Jones just had an off year. Everybody always complains about what Andruw makes. Those who do I wonder if the complain what the CEO of there company makes.

Michael

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Why did MLB arrange the schedule this way? It makes no sense where you have all these possible tiebreakers within divisions but the Braves are playing Houston, the Padres are playing Milwaukee, and then the Mets are playing a bottom feeder like the Marlins and the Phillies are playing a bottom feeder like the Nationals. It’s hard to predict but in the beginning of the season based upon how you think they will finish, it would have made more sense to have people playing within their division the most they could with Braves vs. Mets or Mets vs. Phillies or Cubs vs. St. Louis, etc. There are no races in the AL but their matchups in the last weekend make zero sense either. The drama is all in scoreboard watching and not in head to head matchups.

By Chop Chop

September 28, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Beavis and Butthead, scribe.

One of the greatest scenes in cinematic history.

By Adirondackdave

September 28, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

All due respect to DOB… My hunch is that Andruw’s a lot more interested in what he and family want and need than anything Boras spins. By the way, if Boras was really confident, why would he bother spinning our favorite sportswriter for half an hour. This one’s not over until it’s over.

While the contrarian side of my brain is working… I’m also seriously wondering if we sent the wrong catcher for Tex. Sure hope not but that’s the way it looks to me.

Never thought I’d be pulling for the Phillies but I will be for the last 3 games this weekend.

By The Grinch

September 28, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop, that was hilarious. Of course, the answer is yes, but then my standards aren’t very high. Suzy Kolber’s kind of always done something for me though; I’d hate to cheat on her. Nah, who am I kidding? Throw in Erin Andrews and we’ll have a REAL ESPN Gameday. No Michelle Tafoya though; she looks like Gizmo from “Gremlins.”

Later, all; got some errands to run.

By DonCoburleone

September 28, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

All I have to say is GOOD RIDDANCE! I must say I am pleased to know that he will never again be the black hole in our lineup after this season. And even when he was roping 50 homers in 2005 I still never liked his attitude/demeanor. He just always seemed a little lackadaisacal or something like that (maybe just DUMB?) I never saw passion or determination in his face. It is always just that little smiley-smirk that I can’t stand… And for those who say “how can you say that he’s been great and blah blah blah” I say 2 things:

1)How many championships did he ever bring us?

2)WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY???

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Well crap. The crunch time came and every single vet booted the ball. What are the odds? At least we didn’ alread have the lead… The chances were next to none that the Braves would make the post season. So the fact that they put up enough of a fight to make it a possibility in the final week of play is astounding and I’m proud of ‘em for it.

But there is no reason to roll over for these filthy Astros. Some of the guys need to get the 100 RBI mark, I think we could have 5 100 RBI guys if this weekend goes really well.
Chipper Jones needs to maintain his lead in the batting title.
Renteria needs to lift that average back up as well. I’d love to see the Braves finish with a 1-2 combo of batting champs, but maybe that’s asking for a little too much. Still worth shooting for. Renteria needs to spank the ball this weekend and so does Chipper.
Yunel and Diaz need to keep getting hits so they can keep their averages up above .330.
Francoeur and McCann need to snap their slumps and end on a good note. I’d like to see McCann end with his average up closer to .280, and Francoeur up closer to .300.
Chipper needs to hit another HR to get a cool 30 on the line.
Teixeira needs a few more for the sake of it. Along with everyone else.
Basically, I’m calling for 25 minute innings when the Braves are up to bat. I’d like to see the Braves send 9 men to the plate every half inning.

In the wake of being eliminated, I will say this, I’m very, very pleased with the way the Mets have melted down. I hope they do not make the post season. I’d love it if they were beat by the Rockies. Talk about icing on the cake. The Rockies are actually running the table right now and you gotta respect that.

I’m disappointed to see fellow bloggers stooping to the troll level. I’m backing Lew on this one.

I’m looking at Cameron’s away splits…

Year  G  AB  H XBH BB SO  OPB  SLG  AVG
2006 70 317 73  30 35 65 .350 .465 .265
2007 71 283 72  31 34 78 .341 .449 .254

Mediocrity. If that. I’m not impressed with this guy. I know, that level of mediocrity would be an improvement over Andruw’s production this season, but even still, this is the Braves. They’ve always gone out and gotten an All Star Caliber big name guy when they had to. And CF would be a have to. The minor leaguers they have are not guarantees. Signing a better player than Cameron, or trading for one, would still make it possible to phase in the minor leaguer without leaning on them too much. If the minor leaguer does well, then we’ll be left with a situation just like we have with Renteria, a very productive, valuable, incredible player, with a very productive, valuable, incredible rookie ready to step in. The Braves don’t do no-trade clauses so trading is always possible. Andruw would automatically have one if he resigns which means JS will really crunch the numbers when drawing up a plan before he just offers a contract to him. But if a trade or a signing is done for center involving someone other than Andruw, I hope it is for something more than Mike Mediocrity Cameron.

By ssiscribe

September 28, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop, you win free tuition for Scribin 101, set to begin next spring at Dark Star.

Somewhere, I have that movie here at the house; may have to try to find it and watch it over the weekend as Vegas draws near.

—30—

By Hal

September 28, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

It’s not just one bad year. Andruw stunk since early-mid summer the year before. His numbers for the last 250 games or so is just atrocious.

For every player Boras can name that had one bad year and came back, I can name 1,000 that didn’t. The Braves aren’t idiots — they aren’t going to pay 20M+ for this guy for the next 5 years. And the price won’t come down because there are idiot GMs in other cities that will pay it.

Good luck Andruw, thanks for the memories, but it’s time to move on.

By Adirondackdave

September 28, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

TennPaul … Your comments are right on. This is no time to shut it down, lots of individual and team goals left to realize. Also agree on Cameron, he’s not the answer, even for a quickie until Schaffer or ? is ready. If AJ walks, I like Rowland a lot, especailly for his attitude and hustle as much as his production. I suppose he’s get 12-14K.

By Mr J

September 28, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Why is no one talking about Aaron Rowand for CF anymore. I like what I’ve seen of him. Too much money?

By TrueBlueBravesFan

September 28, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

DOB

On Trades,

I still think the best move the Bravos could pull off is a non-move. I really don’t like any free-agent center fielder out there. I don’t think Cameron gives you much and certainly don’t think that Patterson is any kind of answer.

That being the case I would lean towards putting Francour in center. Yes I know he has the gun of an arm but there are cheaper Right Field alternatives out there than Center Field options and I’m sure that Braves could land a corner outfield easier than a Center Fielder without leveraging the farm. And Francour has the range to cover the middle. And its not like a strong arm isn’t important in Center as well.

What kind of corner right handed RF’s are going to be able this year? I’m thinking that Johnson could platoon in RF with a solid but not too expensive Right Handed RFielder.

Or if Kelly’s arm is too weak for RF then let him platoon with Diaz in Left. Then Escobar could play everyday at second as he obviously should but that way you don’t jettison the secret weapon (Renteria).

The money really needs to to go for pitching, pitching, and a quality bench player. Orr, Woodward, and sorry to say it Willie have to go. Allthough maybe keep Willie because of his speed and his versatility.

They need to lure Glavine back. They also need to find the money to sign Kyle Lohse. Face it that would give you two quality starters. That would also weaken both the Mets and the Phillies at the same time. I know Lohse isn’t a stud. But he’s durable and he usually gives you at least 5 quality innings a start. With the Offense this team will have next year you should still be able to win most of Lohse’s starts by bashing em. Remember he’ll be your 4th or 5th starter.

Then you can send Chuck James to Richmond and have him work on some new pitches that will help keep the ball in the yard. He seriously needs to develop a slider or a cutter or something that changes the batters approach at the plate.

If Lohse doesn’t work out then you could package a combination of the following: (James, Villareal, Cormier, Minor League unproven) to trade for a solid #3 starter. Someone like Linicum or Harang, or Micah Owings.

I would like to hear your opinion.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul, Cameron is not going to be an All-Star but you also have to take into account what he’ll be paid and his position when looking at his stats.

This season for instance, Cameron is easily one of the top ten centerfielders in the game when you look at production on the road.

His numbers are significantly better than Torii Hunter’s and Hunter will likely get a much larger contract, both in terms of dollars and years.

Do the Braves need an All-Star in center? It’d be nice but not if it cost them an arm and a leg and ruins their payroll flexibility.

When taking everything into account, Cameron is about as good an option as any.

By Braves20

September 28, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Mike Cameron fans - three years in a row declining numbers, 35 years old, scouts say he’s toast.

Those facts add up to Craig Wilson, Raul Mondesi Chapter III no matter how deep the Atlanta discount.

Complete aside from the above. I know for a fact that a semi-frequent blogger on this site actually dated Linda Cohn. I will spare him the embarrassment by not mentioning even his “stage/blog” name. Gag me!

By Adirondackdave

September 28, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Mr J ….Great minds…

By Buffalo NY Braves fan

September 28, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

DOB,

This Schafer kid is “the next Grady Sizemore” or so I’ve read. Where is he right now? High A, AA? Can you tell us more about him, maybe provide some stats?

If he is going to be the CF in 2009, why not make him the CF in 2008? If he hits better than .220, then it’s already an improvement.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Mike Cameron’s road rankings this season among CF with at least 250 plate appearances:

.341 OBP - 8th in MLB

.449 SLG - 7th in MLB

.254 AVG - 13th in MLB

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

Braves20, which scouts? Can you provide some quotes or something? He’s probably going to be at least average for at least one more season and he’s going to make way less than a lot of average centerfielders. That’s the appeal. Not that he’s some kind of great player. Just that he provides the Braves with a solid, cheap option.

For those who think the Braves need an All-Star, look what they had this season. And look how many runs they scored.

By DonCoburleone

September 28, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul I kind of agree with you about Cameron… I was all for him earlier in the season but the more I look at his stats the more he reminds me of Andruw Jones (doesn’t hit for much average, decent power, strikes out A TON)… I don’t know, I say we try and get Randy Winn (is he a free agent or still under contract?) He would be perfect, pretty good defensively, cheap, and wouldn’t need to be retained for more than 1 year… And if we really had to I think this offense can afford a .260/.310/.390 center fielder as long as he can play EXCELLENT defense…

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Mr J: If Cameron can command a 10 million dollar annual salary, imagine what a productive, good player will command. That being said, there are a lot of CF on the market this off season, so maybe the supply will keep the prices down. But I’m with you, I’d rather have Aaron Rowand than Cameron if AJ is a goner.

Personally, I think Boras made the call to quell the speculation. But it is still on AJ. AJ can call Borass and say, “If JS has me in the plans, I wanna be a part of that plan, do not price me out of town.” And at that, Boras will just drive a hard bargain to get every last penny he can from the Braves. Luckily we have JS at the helm. He won’t so easily bend and ruin the team for the sake of the player. AJ will have a lot of teams looking at him. Maybe he will take less to stay with the Braves. I wouldn’t expect Borass to come out and scream “DISCOUNT AVAILABLE!” Wouldn’t happen. Exactly why JS and company haven’t disclosed actual figures on the Payroll. They’ve only painted a picture of flexability.

By Roscoe

September 28, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

I agree with Robert. O’Brien blows.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Buffalo, he’s only in A-ball, very rare is the player who jumps from a-ball to the majors, and he’s NOT going to be one of them. Just not ready. Young.

Who knows, maybe we could see him by end of the season, but more likely he’d not arrive until 2009, maybe even not until 2010. Still developing offensively.

Great defensive player already, terrific range.

At high-A Myrtle Beach, he hit .294 34 doubles, 8 triples, 10 homers, 43 RBIs, 19 steals (11 caught), ,354 OBP, .831 OPS.

Also played 30 games at low-A Rome, where he hit .372 with 15 doubles, 2 triples, 5 homers, 20 RBIs, whopping .441 OBP and .636 slugging (1.077 OPS) with no errors.

By Mike Cameron

September 28, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Shaun

Keep building me up man. Boras are you looking at this. I am worth 11 - 12 mil-a-year.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

TrueBlueBravesFan, I also believe Lohse would be a good sign for No. 5 starter, if he’s not too pricey. There’s a reason that dude has such great numbers in two hitters’ parks this year, when he with Cincy and Philly. You gotta like anybody who puts up the numbers he did in those places, despite his overall numbers.

He pitched his arse off the other night vs. Braves, and Bobby had a lot of praise for him afterward, said he thought he had great stuff with Cincy and didn’t know what the knock on him was there, etc.

By DonCoburleone

September 28, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

What about Kenny Lofton for one more go-round? The guy is still gonna hit .290 and steal 25 bases and play better than average defense in center…. Why not try him on a one year deal?

By ernesto

September 28, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t mind seeing Rowand out there in CF for los Bravos next year…but the boy do tend to get hurt.

I’ll miss ‘Druw, but not those mad whiffs that leave him twisted and crumpled at the plate as the other team jogs by to the dugoout.

I think you’ve got to say the last 1 1/2 seasons could point to a decline.

We’ll see. Or actually, some other team will see.

Rowand in 08!

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Shaun, coming through with the SOLID Cameron road stats. Impressed. Now let’s hear the rebuttal from our Cameron-bashing contributor.

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Payne: You will not convience me that Mr. Mediocrity is a good option. Not when Andruw and Rowand are both out there. Or any other option I have not thought of. Luckily, for the Braves, they don’t have to limit themselves to just guys who played in CF this past season. They can, for instance, look at a CF caliber player who played in RF or LF this past season.

By J.D. Phillips

September 28, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

All Cameron will do is make everyone want A.J. back. It will be the same ole story as one previous blogger said. Another middle age over the hill player trying to hang on. What’s will be next for him if he falters - working on “Braves Live SportsSouth”.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone, how does Cameron remind you of AJ? Have you looked at his OBP?

Aaron Roward is going to command more than Cameron. I can’t see Cameron asking for much more than the $7 million he made this season, given his age.

By AZBravoFan

September 28, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

DOB: If Bobby liked Lohse so much when he was with Cincy, then why was he in a Phillies jersey on the mound the other night and not a Braves jersey? Who’d the Phils give up for him? I not sure he would have pitched the Braves to the playoffs, but he probably would have been better than some of the dreck they threw out there in the dog days.

By gordo

September 28, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Good bye and good riddance Andrew! He never provided leadership and could not hit in the clutch. Ever! Curve on the outside…Swing amd a miss! Not willing to adjust, lackadasical! LOSER! Goddbye Andrew! Plenty of other players around to provide what he did at cheaper prices!

By Greg in TN

September 28, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Lots of good comments this afternoon denizens.

$cott Bora$ in the baseball world is like having Darth Vader, Michael Myers, Freddy Krueger and Jason Vorhees rolled up into one package. Fans detest the guy, GMs loathe him, but the players love him because he gets them bucks, big ones.

I don’t believe fans and teams are in his sphere of concern, nor do I really expect that. But from the conversations that DOB has relayed to the Braves/MIB blog in the past, including yesterday’s intriguing conversation, I get the automatic association with one of those old timey snake oil salesmen peddling wares to an early 20th century crowd.

Now sure, the shiny brown bottle of “Old Doc Boras’ Salve to Soothe the Soul and Body” looks great and it’s “absolutely guaranteed” to cure gout, goiter, liver spots and the like, but when you get it home and open the bottle, you find nothing more than well water. Meanwhile the Ol doctor is on his way to the next town and his next deal.

There’s always always always going to be a GM out there fighting to keep their job that will pay most of what Bora$ is wanting for his clients. And there will always be an owner out there with money burning a hole in their pocket and desperate to make a splash. AJ will get his money, and if he listens to his agent, someone somewhere will overpay for him and rue the day they agreed to most or all of Bora$ terms.

That’s life in the business of baseball.

I don’t hate the player, I don’t like the guy, but I don’t hate him. I hate the game.

DOB I’ve never talked to the man in my life, obviously, but I get the feeling the guy just exudes “Hey, I’m a total complete a-hole” on the phone or in person. Very arrogant to the point of condescention. Could be wrong, but that’s just the vibe I get.

In the end, it’s all on AJ. He wants to stay, fine, he should understand the drill by now. He should understand that JS NEVER overpays for anyone, but will offer a fair contract with incentives in line with what AJ himself negotiated along with his father six or so years ago. It wouldn’t be a low-ball offer, but it won’t be the kind of payday that ‘ol Doc Bora$ is looking for either.

My gut feeling is that he’s gone because I think Bora$ lost enough face in his last negotiation that he will be adamant in getting top dollar for him this time around. If that’s the case, I wish him the best, I thank him for what he’s done in a Braves uniform for 11 seasons. He is the most gifted centerfielder I have ever seen, but he is not everything that Bora$ is pitching him as offensively. And there’s not enough colorful graphs and pie charts on the planet and not enough perfume in Macy’s that makes a .222 average overall and .169 with two-outs and RISP look and smell as sweet as roses.

By Liberty Media - Wise Up

September 28, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Hey Liberty Media—please do us all a favor and fire Scheurholtz. He’s destroyed our depth in the farm system by trading away the future by making these stupid panic trades that still don’t even get us into the postseason. What an idiot. Good Riddance!

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul, problem is Rowand and Andruw are going to make a lot more money than Cameron. Cameron is the cheapest veteran option out there that is likely to provide solid production.

Look, I’m not pretending Cameron is going to be one of the top three or four centerfielders in the league. But he doesn’t need to be. All he needs to do is be about average and cheap. That will give the Braves some flexibility to go after a solid pitcher or two that they may have to slightly overpay for.

Again, you need look no farther than this season. Look what the Braves had in center for $14 million(!!!) and how many runs they scored. Cameron would likely provide better production for $7-9 million.

Also, I would like to know what all these people who say Cameron is another Andruw are looking at. Cameron is going to make significantly fewer outs and still provide decent power.

J.D. Phillips, I know Cameron is not exactly young but a guy who is one of the ten most productive centerfielders in the game at age 34 is not exactly just “trying to hang on.”

By Buffalo NY Braves fan

September 28, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

DOB thanks for the stats, something to look forward to I guess.

So are you more inclined to believe what Boras said in your phone call than what Andruw has been telling you in the clubhouse?

I would have to believe that Boras is in full “spin mode” at this time of the season, he’s got dollar signs in his eyes with the year A-Rod is having and just pumping up Andruws stock as well. Or did you get the feeling from your conversation that it was more than spin?

By Salty

September 28, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Greg in TN Nice post. Hard to imagine CF patrolled by someone other than AJ. He makes the other OF’s better by his presence…but that’s not enough to undo 1.5 seasons of substandard plate production.

By TrueBlueBravesFan

September 28, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

On AJ what you might lose in range and instincts you could make up for with adding a quality right fielder and putting KJ in Left with Diaz. KJ has some wheels and can cover some ground. He wouldn’t be a slouch and if you put Francour in center he can play further back than Andruw because I think he is one of the best I’ve seen about charging shallow flyballs. So you wouldn’t necessarily give up that much range.

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

…eh… I’m not sold on Lohse either. We have plenty of 5th starters that can give up practically 5 runs per 9 innings over 190 inning season. And they’d all be considerably cheaper than any FA.

If we are aiming to cripple our opponents this winter, take Glavine and take Rowand. Those moves answer our two most pressing questions, pitching help and CF while simultaneously taking a shot at our two most capable opponents in the division. We could still trade Renteria or whomever, for great high level prospects. That’d satisfy the other needs such as getting Yunel playing time, stocking the farm with arms and fulfilling Payne’s dream of trading for non-impact, cheap players.

But I think JS will go for big name. That’s what makes being a Braves fan fun. For the past 4 years or so we’ve been crippled by an arbitrary payroll limit. But, JS would always make a move for an All Star. McGriff, Maddux, Sheffield, Renteria, Hudson, Teixeira, Big Cat, Nancy Drew, Russ Ortiz, Dan Kolb, etc… granted, a few of those I’d rather have not seen in a Braves uni, but whatever. The point still stands. JS looks to improve the Braves with All Star Caliber players. Lohse and Cameron do not fit that bill.

By J.D. Phillips

September 28, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

I think one resaon so many are gun shy of Cameron is his age and may see a trend of a A.J. repeat year. Shaun I do see you reasoning behind the money with the Braves and hoping for a couple of so-so years out of him, but how could Cameron improve any at this stage of his career.

By Overlord

September 28, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Please dont waste your time thinking about a CF. This team doesnt need much there…….even harris would do. we need pitching, thats all we need. I would say, save yout money for SP, signing TEX and signing jeff and matt.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

yo gordo wise up, if you are going to call someone a loser at least spell his name right.

that loser you refer to plays hurt and averaged 46 hrs. and 129 rbi in 05 & 06. we dont sniff the playoffs in 05 without him.

the andruw bashing needs to stop! one of the best baseball players ever to put on a braves uniform and you want to call him a loser.

hey gordo go watch womens soccer

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Rowand will be 30 next season and he made $4.35 million this year. I could see him getting around $10-11 million a year and wanting at least four years.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Rowand’s a fine player but four years he’ll likely want at $10-11 million are too many for a 30-year-old centerfielder who has never been a great hitter. At least that’s too much for the Braves.

By Adirondackdave

September 28, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

TennPaul - Thanks for the nice chuckle on the Nancy Drew line.

I’ll believe Andruw is gone when Andruw or JS say he’s gone. He looks mighty comfortable to me right there in Atlanta with his family, team, home, etc.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

J.D. Phillips, he doesn’t have to improve. Just not decline too much.

By flange1

September 28, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

DOB,

With all of this centerfield talk, what is the club’s perception of Gregor Blanco? My take is good field, good arm, slap hitter that does not always hit for average.

I wonder if we let him play CF, hit him 8th ala Raffey Belliard and take whatever offense he gives us and spend the money on the roatation and signsing TEX.

What are your thoughts?

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Rowand’s contract number will be inflated because it’s a big FA year for CF. Assuming that Andruw and Hunter are at one tier, big contracts there will have a bump-up effect on guys such as Rowand.

He’s had a big offensive year in a bandbox park (I have no idea what his road splits are), and big(ger) contracts will be the norm at his position. He’ll command more than he’s worth, and Schuerholz has long been reluctant to make that kind of deal.

By Lew

September 28, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

If $$$ is not, indeed, an issue, I would go for Rowand. With him batting behind Tex, I don’t think there will be an offense in the NL to compare to Atlanta’s. Not only that, but it weakens the Phillies’ offense, as well. Let Brandon Jones and Diaz platoon. Bobby would be happy and I’ll bet that B.Jones will blow Harris out of the water-both offensively and defensively.

By NASCARfan

September 28, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Hey D O’B, why didn’t you take the time to run those stats on Bobby Cox’s booger-filled nose and DEMAND that he give a logical reason for killing the team’s chances of winning games by hitting a lousy, rally-killing .200 in the 4-hole for 5 damn months?

Yet again, nobody in the Atlanta media holds Bobby the Boob accountable for his terrible managerial decisions.

Once again, the Atlanta media REFUSES to ask Bobby the Boob any kind of tough questions or hold him accountable for giving insane and illogical answers.

It’s time for Bobby the Boob to go, and it’s time for someone, ANYONE, who covers to Braves to grow a pair of cajones and hold Bobby the Boob’s feet to the fire for his complete and utter idiocy!

By TrueBlueBravesFan

September 28, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

On Lohse.

I set great store on makeup. Does the player rattle under pressure. Is he clutch. Well one thing you can say for Lohse these last few weeks is he’s been clutch. And he’s doing it pitching in a matchbox of a stadium. I like his makeup. The Braves more pitchers like that.

Say what you will about Hudson but I think everyone here would have to say that he’s not very clutch in pressure situations. And I’m not talking about just this last series. Look at him both in Oakland and here in Atlanta. Seems to always have his worst stuff in pressure games or situations. Remember game 1 of the playoffs versus Houston. And then he couldn’t hold it together in Game 4 at the end. Looks eerily familiar to games in the later half of this season. Look how he’s performed down the stretch this year when we needed him the most. He claims he’s not hurt so what else is it if its not a little bit of Jelly legs.

I want pitchers that thrive in pressure. Give me that over overpowering stuff anyday. And when you look at Lohse’s ERA you have to remember he pitched the majority of his games in Cincy and Philly.

He’s a gamer and I would love to see him be a Bravo. That is of course if Roger doesn’t mess with him.

By Adirondackdave

September 28, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Here’s another hunch since that’s what most of today’s talk has been. JS is surely going to do one if not two pitcher deals. He likes to grab a second useful player under the radar (LaRoche deal, Tex deal). I can see him pulling in a cheap and unspectacular but satisfactory CF while the attention is focused on pitching. Somebody that would buy us a year or two until Schafer or ? is ready.

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Payne: Rowand may very well command more than Cameron. I hope he does anyway, he’s better than Cameron, it’d be a real slap in his face if 35 year old .250 injury guy pulls in more. But that’s not my concern. I’d speculate that Rowand will make less than Andruw. I’d put Rowands take at about the level of Byrnes take, which isn’t outrageous. And, considering Rowand wouldn’t be a 10/5 player, we’d be able to sign him and keep him until our rookies are ready.. then we’d be able to trade him if needed.
Or, perhaps we revist the trade talks with the D-Rays… too early for this? =) They have a guy over there I’d rather have. A few guys actually.
Whatever, I’m not seeing where “the problem” is you are speaking of. Andruw makes 13.5 million this season. Rowand doesn’t. Rowand could command somewhere in that same salary range. I don’t know. But that wouldnt’ be bad.

By Overlord

September 28, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

What do you need a proven CF for if the rest of the team is all offense?

You only need someone to cover ground, good (not great arm) and not to KKK more than 90 times.

Everything else is covered. Why not willie? if he hits 270……. that would be enough for me, lots of speed at 8th spot, good glove, and the potential to go hot at least a month a year maybe 2 months, maybe 3. Certanly not more than that, but he showed the potential to go hot. Letting harris play CF still gives us brian, jeff and matt 5, 6, 7th. What do you need cameron or rowand for? Makes no sense. We now harris D is good, thats all we need people. You could platoon him with BJ.

SP is all we need to look for, everything else is already home.

By Braves20

September 28, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

One last factoid for the Draft Mike Cameron campaign.

If you like Andruw at bat, you’ll love Mike Cameron. In one less at bat this year than Andruw, Mighty Mike has accumulated 22 more strikeouts.

Here’s an interesting concept for next year. How about a center fielder who occasionally makes contact?

By Rick Roberts

September 28, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

I like Overlord and flange1’s comments. Rowand for three years, maybe. We could put either Blanco, Rowand, or Frenchy in CF and use the money on Tex—Tex is the most important piece of the puzzle. The Braves wouldn’t have even come close this year without him. We need more speed, too, and spending less in CF is a good move—we’ll actually get a lot more for the money. And, I would bring Glavine back—he needs to finish where he started. Renteria could then go for some prospects, i.e. pitching prospects. I believe Thorman and Villareal will also go and we don’t need Paronto or Yates—other teams would like to have them. Keep B. Pena for backup C and BN. Keeping Matt Diaz is a must. Myself, consider Prado at 2B—more speed and better D. KJ would also draw interest. Lillibridge is ready, too—he hits for avg., some power, and has nice speed. Lots of choices for the winter meetings. Go with starting pitching, speed, defense, and Tex. We have the BP and the other pieces are there. Plus, review the minor league system—great young players are advancing quickly.

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

what is the club’s perception of Gregor Blanco?

Ponder this…Langerhans traded, an outfielder to be called up, Blanco is hitting about .330 at the time in his second year at AAA, and the Braves bring up…

Willie Harris.

A converted infielder.

That speaks volumes on the Blanco perception, IMO.

By uga-brave

September 28, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

nascar fan,

better hurry up and get that second 8 tatoo for your girlfriend

By Mr J

September 28, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

A question for Gil up in VA, if he’s still with us (or anyone who might know): What kind of year did Gregor Blanco end up having? Is his defense as good as was supposed last winter?

The knock on him before was that he had no power. But how was the average this year? Was he a baserunning threat?

My point is, would he make an acceptable short term CF? If the other factors are good, maybe we can live without power from that position if it means having money for Tex and a SP or two.

After all, how many homers did Otis Nixon hit?

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

What do you need a proven CF for if the rest of the team is all offense?

Maybe because, excepting Chipper and Tex, the rest of that “all offense” will average about 1.2 years experience. Another veteran bat, of some sort, in some position, might be a good idea.

By Bobby Cox

September 28, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

NasCarfan I am trying to see this from your point of view but I can’t get my head that far up my @$$

By ernesto

September 28, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Look, I think Tex is a helluva a player. And it would be great to get him, but, even if our payroll gets up to 90 mil or so, would it be wise to plug $20 mil a year of that at First Base? Seems like you could get solid, maybe not stellar, production out of there for a LOT less.

I’d rather throw crazy jack at pitching.

I think Rowand on a 3 or 4 year deal at 9/10 mil per would be a great signing. Don’t know if that would be possible but it’d be nice.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Good point, Scoots.

By ernesto

September 28, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

I hate starting the Hot Stove talk in September.

Not making the play offs blows!

By Thrillhouse44

September 28, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

uga-brave, well done!!!

If Mike Cameron is the Braves’ worst hitter next season, we’ll be doing well. Atlanta doesn’t need a star out there, just someone who is serviceable. The Braves got .220 in 2007 and still almost won the division. If JS can solidify the rotation without losing many key components of this year’s team, we’ll be able to compete. Rowand would be nice, but I’d rather see that money saved for starting pitching and resigning Tex.

By jbutler

September 28, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

DOB…if AJ is in fact gone- any thoughts on where he’ll end up? It just seems whacked/wrong that he could still end up w/the #’s his agent tossed around to you after the tank job he put up this year. I first heard of Boras years ago when he was Maddux’s agent. If you’re the player- he’s great. Anyone else- its like dealing with the devil. But I guess the devil did go down to GA for awhile…

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN: Soriano’s suspension reduced to two games….

Overlord, have you been paying attention to what Willie’s done lately?

Before his double last night, he was 8-for-74 (.108) with four extra-base hits, six RBis and 19 strikeouts in his past 27 games.

He’s not an every-day CF candidate. He’s a .195 career hitter vs. lefties with ONE homer in 200 at-bats.

You don’t want to platoon your CF. He’s not the answer.

By StingerSplash

September 28, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Bringing Glavine back would be great for sentimental reasons, but how many 5-plus to 6 inning pitchers can the Braves have on staff? Saw where that got us this year?

By flange1

September 28, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

Scoots,

True on Harris/Blanco, but remember that Harris had been touted all spring as a guy that could play 2B,SS,3B, and all 3 outfield positions.

You might be right but they might have brought Harris up because he was more versatile. That was also the same time that Aybar was “away”.

By Overlord

September 28, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

You need to sign tex right now!!!!!! before he does even better!!!!!! LOL, by august next year he could have 50HR and that wont be good for us, $$$$ talking, sign him now, you already now he is a star, and you need someone to take charge offensively is chipper goes down (likely). Im not sure abot Prados bat, but prado does not comes in the picture since he is the 4th best in the middle as we speak, he would go before you see KJ leaving.

People, remember all the money for TEX and SP, if we are to win WS next year you cant forget we will have to play some 36 games against muts and phillies, teams that have tons of offense, then you have to play some 15 games interleague. thats 51 games against AL type offense.30% of the season………. Are you planing to go against that with smoltz, hudson, glavine, hampton and james?

forget it, look what happened to tim and john this week. Glavine got hit hard by nats. tom and john are not enough anymore, at least not #1 in 2008. We need a top ace and spend the money, there is no other choice. I know smoltzie has great number this year, i just feel tom and john wont be as good next year. We cant rely on hampton (35 + postop + 2 years without a throw) tom (41) and jonh (40)………ages are for 2007 not 2008. We need younger arms in front of this rotation. What if johns arm and hamptons arm go down the drain next year? Theres a chance one of them could hit the DL maybe 3 times combined. So that leaves tim and glavine (42) as front horses. If thats the case we will have a season pretty much like this one.

By Reality Check

September 28, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Every one is so down on Chuck James, but our “aces” didn’t do a whole lot better.

By Jeff R

September 28, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Boras may be able to scam a team into signing Andruw for a long term big bucks contract (there’s a sucker born every minute, huh?), but we Braves fans have had the chance to watch the guy’s offensive skills decline this season. Possibly a season long slump? Possible but doubtful. Besides money for Andruw is better spent on securing a quality starting pitcher. Not under-estimating Andruw’s glove, but whether it’s Cameron or a Duffy, for example, what the team needs is not a stellar center fielder, but a guy who can get the ball and add a little more speed to the line up (ideally).

Andruw seems to be a good guy. He had some super years. But his run is over, too. Time to focus on pitching priorities and winning the division in 2008 and beyond.

By Buffalo NY Braves fan

September 28, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Boras is to baseball what Drew Rosenhaus is to the NFL. They get their names mentioned because they lock up 70% of the players for their respective sport. Then they have the superstars emerge, and hold out to get them stupid money.

The agents you hear about the most, in any sport, are the ones that are a-holes and demand big contracts for their clients. They are only doing their jobs, and we can’t fault them for being greedy and asking for a lot. They seem to live by the motto, “ask for a lot and get a little, ask for a little and get nothing.”

That being said, I hope AJ tells Boras to take a hike and takes the home town discount.

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Mr J: Blanco’s 2007 Season:

  G  AB  R   H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO  AVG  OBP  SLG
124 464 81 131 18  5  3  35 23 18 63 85 .282 .369 .362

By Tyler

September 28, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

A trade for Harang without giving up Renteria or Escobar would be fantastic, but probably not going to happen. Maybe an Escobar/Blanco deal for him. Keep Renteria and have Lillbridge as the utility. He’ll be ready by ‘09.

The thing everyone fails to notice is how much production Andruw still gives us. 94 RBI, 26 HR. His BA isn’t as important as you think. So when you say anything better than .220 will be fine is absolutely incorrect. We learned this year how invaluable BA truly is. We’ve had Chipper, Renteria, Diaz, Tex, KJ, Frenchy, Willie, and Escobar at, above, or around .300 all year. Does that mean we have the best offense? No.

What we need is somebody who has a good OBP and can drive in runs or manufacture runs. Either a speedy guy or a balanced CF. Torii Hunter, Rowand, even Patterson. Not Cameron. He’s too much of a clone of AJ with less power. Pretty good glove, but not worth it.

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

they might have brought Harris up because he was more versatile

Except that he played minimal innings at any other position but LF, even when there were opportunities to do so. But certainly you could be correct about their thinking at the time.

Blanco did show a little more power this year. But I’ve seen him play the last two years, and my main impression was that ML pitchers will knock the bat out of his hands. Admittedly, I’ve seen only a small sample; I know Gil has seen him more than I, and I’d defer to his opinion.

By NASCARfan

September 28, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Hey Bobby the Boob…

So, after multiple October choke-jobs, after batting a .200 hitter in th 4-hole and costing your team at least 8 games in the standing this year, after years and years of mismanaging your pitching staff and ruining young careers with your insane practice of platooning players…

And you have the unmitigated gall to tell me my head’s up my @$$?

Bobby Cox, the only explanation I can logically think of for all of your multitude of idiocy is because you have your head so far up your @$$ that you obviously don’t know which way is up. Why else would you bat a rally-killing machine in the 4-hole? Why else would you stubbornly cost your TEAM multiple games because of ONE GUY?

Bobby Cox… you’re an idiot.

By Overlord

September 28, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

OK DOB im not locked in with willie, if he is not the answer, its fine with me, but we dont need anyone that costs us 5 million.

What about:

Rajai Davis, SF, 26 age, looks enough to me. Hes for the minimum i think ($$$$)

Ryan freel, reds. 2.5 million, BA .296, OPS .922

Corey paterso, orioles, he is from atlant, GA.

Dave Roberts, SF, he is 35 for 5million. I really like this guy, pure adrenaline and baseball knowledge, he is like pete rose, not the numbers but the attitude nd he can make things happen.

So Taguchi, cards, cheap (9250000) and not that bad, 38 yo, but looks 25 (japanese genes)

Willie Taveras, colorado, cheap, good bat.

BJ Upton, TB, $386,900, OPS.903, 23 years old.

Those are guys we can get via trade for CF, well im not that good at this, but there are some real cheap options, with some good offensive numbers, not sure about the D of all of them, but CF tend to have the best D of all OF position, so at least they are above AVG.

By Steamboat

September 28, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Since when is $7-9 million “cheap” for a mediocre player? Cameron will be 35 and coming off a season with his lowest career OPS+ of 101 (and that is park-adjusted, as I understand it). In his prime, he was a little better than average, but he’s past his prime now. (and who says he’ll do a 2 year deal? that may be fact, but if I’m him, I’m looking for more)

Shaun, you’re eager to trade Edgar, one of the top hitting infielders in baseball, because he makes about $17 mil over the next two years; but want to sign Cameron for about the same money, for the same years? Going by OPS, which I KNOW leaves out some factors: Edgar is the 40th best hitter in baseball; Cameron is the 120th-best.

Respect your research, but I just don’t see it.

Plus, as to the road numbers, Cameron did play almost half of those road games in Colorado (8 games), Cincy 3, Arizona 9, Philly 3, Wrigley 3 and LAD 9(all hitter’s parks). Another 6 in SF, which is neutral.

I believe that if we do this, most Braves fans will spend next year watching Cameron hit .250 with 160 K’s and ask, wtf?

I hope JS will be more creative than that.

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Here’s a look at part of Cameron’s career. Let’s hope he doesn’t decline too much.

Overall
 AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS
.251 .341 .445 .786

vs. RHP
 AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS
.245 .333 .434 .767

Late and Close
 AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS
.214 .324 .369 .693

vs. Power Pitchers
 AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS
.203 .318 .368 .686

2nd Half
 AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS
.247 .339 .434 .773

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

So Taguchi, cards, cheap (9250000) and not that bad, 38 yo, but looks 25 (japanese genes)

I guess Matsui isn’t in that gene pool. He’s 32 and looks 108.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Great blog today. NASCARfan calling someone else an idiot is really hillarious. This guy is the dumbest jerk on any blog. He even makes Mets Drool seem intellingent.

By Rod

September 28, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Dave - now that the playoff hope is over, do you think the Braves will help out and plunk Biggio a couple of times? It’d be a nice send-off.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

All these people talk about Cox being so stupid for batting Andruw cleanup for so long fail to remember there were no other options. When Andruw was freefalling towards the Mendoza line in late June, Frenchy was hitting .273, .318, .411, .729 OPS and McCann was hitting .250, .303, .395. Yeah, Cox was so retarded not putting those guys in the cleanup hole.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

All these people talk about Cox being so stupid for batting Andruw cleanup for so long fail to remember there were no other options. When Andruw was freefalling towards the Mendoza line in late June, Frenchy was hitting .273, .318, .411, .729 OPS and McCann was hitting .250, .303, .395. Yeah, Cox was so retarded not putting those guys in the cleanup hole.

By Efrim

September 28, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

I must say after reading some of these posts. mostly right after the Mets loss last night, you people are making me a little worried. I know Mets fans suck, but have any of you ever met a Phillies fan? They are the worst fans in America. They disgust me. They throw batteries at their own players. The worst town in America as well. Not to mention the Phillies have never won a thing.

As for everyone throwing in their two cents as to who should replace Andruw, Mike Cameron on a 2 year 14-16 million dollar contract sounds fine to me. That will give Jordan Schafer a full two years in the minors until he is ready for the show. He will probably start at Double A next year, hopefully he will play well enough to where the Braves might be pushed to bring him up in 2009. The Braves need a veteran in CF though. Rowand will be too expensive. If Gary Mathews Jr. can get 5 years and 55 million, so could Aaron Rowand.

Braves should not under any circumstances trade Kelly Johnson. Yes, he is probably an average second baseman, at best, but the kid can hit. He doesn’t hit the ball to the opposite field enough, which is why he should be hitting lower in the order. He walks like a leadoff hitter, but he doesn’t go the other way(a lot of leadoff hitters are “slap hitters”) or run like a leadoff hitter. But he walks and has OBP skills that a lot of our other younger hitters don’t have yet such as Frenchy and Heap. They don’t take pitches, Kelly does.

By pat

September 28, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

.222 average, .263 lifetime. And he wants more than 75 mil? HAHAHAHAHAHA! See ya. We can easily shore up our crappy pitching with that kind of money. My advice Andruw: Drop Boras. He’s going to make you a very rich loser.

By Bobby Cox

September 28, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

NastyCarfan I could have eaten a handful of alphabits and crapped out a better retort than that.

By Tyler

September 28, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Efrim, doesn’t matter how KJ does it, he gets the job done as leadoff hitter. Same goes with Escobar. They aren’t traditional leadoff hitters but when they bat leadoff, we win. Have you noticed that since Willie isn’t leading off, we’ve been winning? We need a consistent leadoff hitter everyday and an improved rotation. That’s the bottom line.

If we bring in Cameron, I’d bet you next year we’ll be moaning about how he’s one of the worst moves we made.

By Sonny

September 28, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

There is no such thing as “Fair Market Value” in baseball. Because there’s no salary cap, there will always be GM’s out there that will drastically overpay for players, and artificially inflate the market in the process.

That being said…Andruw it’s been fun, but your best days are behind you. Hope all that money makes you happy, because your done in the ATL. Way to leave on a positive note Mr. Lowest Batting Avg in MLB.

By The Daily Tatler

September 28, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

braveheart is a double-clutching butt-smoocher. :-)

By BravesFanInRockies

September 28, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

The Rockies won’t get rid of Taveras; far from it. They’re in love with the way the guy covers CF and runs the bases. I think he had a freakishly good season (he really doesn’t walk enough for a leadoff guy) but they’re stuck on him. And hope he stays healthy. That’s why Ryan Spilbourghs or Cory Sullivan might be avaiable for a reasonable price.

I like either one as an option for the Braves. You don’t need big offensive production from either, so you could hit your CF in the eight-hole. Plus, either could play all three OF positions as a backup if by some miracle Brandon Jones cracks the everyday lineup of Schaefer wows ‘em in Spring Training.

Again, with this offense you don’t need major production from the CF. Just a guy who can get the ball, play everyday, and not tank the offense entirely. (So Corey Patterson is right out.)

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

September 28, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

I’m going way outside the box with this one. Why not use Renteria as trade bait for a young center fielder ? It sounds as if the Cardinals will be in the market for a SS and they would love to have Edgar back. Ever heard of Colby Rasmus , he has a brother (RHP Cory Rasmus) in the Braves minor league system. Colby is a former 2005 1st rounder and he is a Georgia native (played in Alabama). Plays CF , hit .275 with 29 HR’s and 72 RBI , 18 stolen bases in AA this season. Rasmus is a five tooler with speed , power , defense and a tremendously strong arm. He is considered the Cardinals top prospect. The Cardinals currently have ten outfielders on their 40 man roster with Chris Duncan , Jim Edmonds and Rick Ankiel at the top of the food chain. Edgar Renteria for Colby Rasmus and RHP Mitchell Boggs (2005 fifth round pick from Georgia). It’s an outside the box trade and there is no guarantee that Renteria will bring the top quality pitching that the Braves will want for him.

By BravesFanInRockies

September 28, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

BTW, I’ve also read that Matt Kemp is in the Dodgers’ dog house. I LIKE MATT KEMP. A LOT. Seems that he’s a head case (though perhaps not at Milton Bradley levels), but the dude can play.

Hey, we kept Gary Sheffield happy, so why wouldn’t Kemp fit in?

By TennesseePaul

September 28, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Efrim: Rowand is way better than Matthews Jr. I don’t know what Rowand or Cameron are going to demand, but of the two Rowand is better, and signing him to a 4 or 5 year deal doesn’t criple you because he’d still be tradable.
But he is better than Matthews. Matthews is better compared to Cameron. Here you go

By andy

September 28, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

I want to keep AJ—I think he will rebound—but gary mattthews jr got 5 year 10 million per deal and he id older than AJ—and had only ONE good season—5 years 75 million….sure. I mean some pteams will pay that easy. Bad for us but it is true. Go braves 2008

By bwash21

September 28, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

I am a long time Braves fan and love Andruw for his defense and his love of the game day in and day out. For that I’d love to have him back.

On the other hand, Andruw, seemingly hasn’t learned anything about hitting over the last year. His constant pulling off of the ball, falling to the ground is sickening, and his lack of clutch hitting is maddening for such a talent.

I seriously can’t think of anything clutch at bat he ever had except take a walk against Kenny Rogers in what was that? 1999?

Boras can take his 10% cut from another happless team and let Andruw suit up elsewhere. Let their mgr and batting coaches see if they can get through to him because Bobby and Terry sure can’t. I would have loved for this blog to be talking about the Braves playoffs or that we had to sign Andruw Jones for next year, but frankly, if I was the GM, I wouldn’t even consider giving him $75M over 5 years. Sure Boras, the market is different then it was back then and so is Andruw. He’s not the same player he was back then. No hometown discount? How about, “Good luck elsewhere, the Braves are going in a different direction and your not in it. Best of luck.”

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

a major announcement is being made on this blog at this time.

a wurlitzer has been awarded! that’s right, a wurlitzer has been awarded!

well, skip caray may not feel very esteemed right now with the miserable treatment from TBS (where’s raymond?, where’s raymond?, where’s raymond?) but skip caray probably doesn’t know just how esteemed skip caray is on this blog.

jimmy smith was just a little baby when this journalist began listening to skip caray call braves games. and skip caray remains a favorite of this journalist (and pete and ernie, too, are favorites - but no wurlitzer for them today).

in fact, skip caray is the one that explained the infield fly rule to this journalist.

renowned portrait painter lew hartman has been commissioned by the wurlitzer selection committee to prepare a wurlitzer award for skip caray (not quite a pulitzer but many don’t know the difference).

previous wurlitzer winners include this blog’s own dob (a two time winner).

wurlitzers are awarded for journalistic excellence and for other good reasons.

much like toes, the wurlitzer is not to be trifled with.

the dob/braves/man.in.black/pie/toes/music/bbq blog knows more than TBS about baseball fans and baseball announcers. skip caray can blog here anytime and be welcome just as he has been welcome coming into our homes for all these years with braves baseball broadcasts.

skip is an atlanta treasure and it gives this journalist pleasure to announce this award as a measure of our respect for that treasure (rhyming is mostly timing).

more information will be forthcoming and lew will reveal the subject for the wurlitzer portrait that will be awarded.

also being awarded: a canned ham and a pie from letwan’s mama’s kitchen.

here’s a tip for skip: try a little third person in the booth tonight (good for ratings).

By Bye Bye Andruw

September 28, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

BYE BYE Rally Killer!! (aka Andruw Jones)

You are worth $5 mil/year tops!

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

OK, some lineup changes tonight: Bobby’s gonna rest Andruw, McCann, Renteria and Diaz.

Replacements: Willie in center, Brandon Jones in left, Escobar at short, Corky catching.

Francoeur will play ‘em all, because he wants to and he’s come this far with that streak, so Bobby’s gonna let him.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

In late June, Frenchy was hitting .273, .318, .411, .729 OPS and McCann was hitting .250, .303, .395, .698 OPS. Not likely candidates for the cleanup spot.

Then, KJ was dropped in the order behind Andruw, Frenchy, and McCann.

In July, Frenchy was .330, .371, .519; McCann was .282, .329, .564; Andruw was .263, .370, .566; KJ was .356, .427, .658. Frenchy and McCann did not deserve to take Andruw’s cleanup spot based upon their performance up to July and upon July performance.

Then Tex came and Edgar got hurt and KJ got moved up in the lineup. Since that time, Frenchy’s OPS has dropped 24 points, Andruw’s OPS has dropped 20 points, McCann’s OPS has gone up 6 points, KJ’s OPS has dropped 61 points.

The best lineup for this team next year is Yunel, Edgar, Chipper, Tex, Frenchy, McCann, Diaz, KJ.

KJ should play left, Frenchy in center, Diaz in right. Not the best defensive alignment in the outfield but what the hell see if it works, get a pitcher and trade for a Kenny Lofton or a Dave Roberts if need be in the middle of next year. Use the centerfield money to keep Edgar and get a decent pitcher.

What’s the point of Rowand defensively if you have Frenchy? I think they would be pretty similar in center. Rowand ain’t exactly GQ Smooth out there in center. Does not have the greatest range. He hustles hard like Frenchy. Neither Frenchy nor Rowand is gonna be a particularly pretty fielding centerfielder. I say save the money if you are gonna pursue Rowand and put Frenchy out there.

As for Cameron, he’s much prettier than Rowand or Frenchy in center but his defense over Frenchy is not gonna be so much more valuable that you sign Cameron for $8 mil and get rid of Edgar’s $6 mil when you can just put Yunel at second, KJ in left or right and Frenchy in center and sacrifice a little outfield defense for better infield defense and better production at the plate.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

Rod, speaking of Biggio, all three games are sold out this weekend, and there were literally a hundred or more fans waiiting outside the stadium, sitting on the sidewalk, when I got here at 3 p.m., even though gates weren’t opening for more than an hour, maybe even two hours (I’m not sure).

Anyway, they have a No. 7 painted on the hill in center field.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

JJS: It would be cool for Skip’s Wurlitzer to have Skip, Harry, and Chip in it. A generational kind of theme. He’d probably like that. Or maybe not. Maybe just Skip, Pete, and Ernie. He’d probably like that too. Or whatever the heck Lew decides. He is the creative one. I just go for the obvious.

To Hell With AOL! To Be Free From Liberty!

By AZBravoFan

September 28, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

All this talk of cheap CF replacements is a little scary to me and reminds me of how the Braves dealt with 1B after McGriff left. It wasn’t pretty. Remember Rico Brogna? Robert Fick? You could even throw Thorman’s name in there. They made that position a black hole for a few years. I’d hate for the same thing to happen in CF if there are better options and Liberty is willing to pay for quality.

By mark

September 28, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

The Braves are going to spend their money on pitching..Get ready to see a new outfielder..Really folks if AJ had been a better hitter the Braves would have easly made it to post season…Great Guy..!% Million year I don’t think so but it might be that alot of teams will pay it.It was a good season though.Go Braves!

By Chop Chop

September 28, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

It’s a damn shame that Smoltz and Chipper are going to be the only Braves players from the playoff run to get the Biggio treatment from the home fans.

By Historian

September 28, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

History proves that if you don’t learn from it, you will repeat it. The Braves wasted $16M/yr on AJones the last time they signed him. I have no personal dislike for Andruw, but the team desperately needed starting pitching, not a streak hitter. I will always believe that Atlanta would have won last year and this year had they invested in two quality starting pitchers. Now the owners must know that Smoltz is not the answer at his age, and well he’s the best of the group. With all of the young talent now, they can dump Jones and their short stop, to get those two quality starting pitchers. Let’s only hope.

By Lee in S. GA

September 28, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

Good point AZBravoFan and on top of that CF is a little more difficult position than 1st base. Once the Braves create a troublesome position to fill it does haunt them a while. I sincerely hope they attempt a trade for a younger up and coming CF if possible.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Carlyle might start Sunday instead of Chuck, who had some upper-arm tightness in his last start.

By Lew

September 28, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

Braveheart-The only problem with that idea is that I read an article on Skip that had photos of his house. He already has an oil painting of the three Carays (a pretty darn good one, actually) from when they broadcast a game together. I had thought maybe a portrait of Skip with scenes from memorable games (Sid slid, Camp’s HR, etc.) around the portrait. Suggestions and photo references are welcome. You can email any good photos to lewhartman@comcast.net Let’s see what the blog can come up with. It’s a blog award. Get to work.

By Shamus Thacker

September 28, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

I think Andruw has lost his fire for the game.

I believe he’ll sign a huge long-term contract. I also believe he’ll sleepwalk through its entirety. He’d have been even less effective this season, had it not been a “contract” year. He’s gonna lay down on somebody; glad it ain’t the Braves…

By Edgar

September 28, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

My god,Mets losing in the first 2-0.

By DonCoburleone

September 28, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Whats the point of resting McCann? I can see putting Prado and B. Jones in the lineup but Miller means nothing to this team going forward… COME ON MAN! He’s my fantasy baseball catcher and it’s crunch time in my league! You’re killing me Cox!

By Edgar

September 28, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

The Mets are going to be the best failure in 2007.

By DonCoburleone

September 28, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

HAHA, Muts already down 2-0! I hope they choke it away and don’t even make the playoffs…

By Savannah Guy

September 28, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Congratulations to the esteemed Skip Caray for the Wurlitzer, the DOB BraveBlogs most glorious and prestigious prize. You earned it many times for many years. Thanks for your great broadcasting and bringing life to our Braves games like nobody else in the business. TBS = Thanks, Bravo Skip.

Over the years, so many times we’ve heard replays of the classic moment, “BRAVES WIN, BRAVES WIN, BRAVES WIN”. Each time we are reminded of that clutch Cabrerra hiy, the glorious Sid Bream slide, the “safe” call, the piling on and the thrill of victory…brought to us by THE VOICE of the Braves nation. That moment itself was Wurlitzer worthy. There were so many others.

You also deserve a Wurlitzer for your work on your Braves radio pregame call-in show, fielding and answering so many, uh…dumb questions and hearing at least four million times, “Hi, Skip, how are you?”

As sure as night follows day, it’s ok to walk the dog.

By Mr. Fly (Sleuth Reporter)

September 28, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

Journalist Jimmy, you learned MY infield rule from Skip Caray? Was it, when flying around the infield don’t get between the pitcher and home plate? That is a very dangerous place to fly. We learned it the hard way. Several relatives disappeared without a trace there. Never knew what hit’em…Splat. Poof. Gone. sniff…

Good rule to remember.

By Paladin

September 28, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

I have posted under several different names today. “Bobby Cox” “Reality Check” “The Daily Talter” and maybe others. Why? Because it was fun. Why do I tell you about it now? Hopefully, to show I have the guts to stand by what I have said. I’m gong to bed. G’night.

By DonCoburleone

September 28, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

I want the winter meetings to be here already, I can’t wait to see what Scheurholz does this offseason. And on another note, am I the only one who sees some good in the Braves missing the playoffs each of the last two years? Won’t it seem more special if they do make it in 2008 after a 2 year drought? I think it has probably put some hunger into the young players on this team (and taught them to treat every postseason trip as if it is their last - unlike the Jones’ boys, who seem to treat post-season games with as much energy & excitement as a May 15th game against Florida)…

This team is going to be H-U-N-G-R-Y next year, and it’s gonna be fun to watch…

By beachcomber

September 28, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

Been reading todays blog re: center field. Like some others I shudder when the name Mike Cameron is mentioned. As another blogger alluded to this could be the second coming of Raul Mondesi.

I always thought we would have the solution to Andruw’s eventual departure in Langy - what a great glove - if only he could have hit his weight!

Oh lest I forget - go USF Bulls!

By mark

September 28, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this

Brandon Jones

By Stinky

September 28, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

I Love Scott Boras. Let me say that again. I love Scott Boras!

No Wait. I LOVE SCOTT BORAS!!!

No, I can do better. I LOVE SCOTT BORAS!!!

Why? He’s playing DOB like B.B. King manipulated Lucille. Boras knows that Druw is washed up. Boras knows that Druw’s best shot at a 15 M + payscale for 2008 will be in Atlanta. Boras knows that Dob is an easy name-dropping target.

I love Scott Boras!!!

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

The montage idea sounds great Lew.

How about including the moment from the first Phillies game this week when that obnoxious Phillies fan kept taunting Chipper with Larry! Larry! Larry!

It was so annoying hearing that while watching on television it and evidently for Skip on the radio.

When Chipper hit that homer off the facing of the upperdeck, someone told me he said Larry that one, buddy! to the annoying fan.

Not exactly the most memorable moment but also the quintessential Skip: an unashamed homer and more of a Brave than just about anyone has ever been loving the game, loving his work, loving the players, loving the team, loving the fans but yet at the same time annoyed with the game, annoyed with the work, annoyed with the players, annoyed with the team, annoyed with the fans.

Maybe just a little line scribbled in there Larry that one Buddy!

By DonCoburleone

September 28, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

“Oh, and Cormier might start Sunday instead of Chuck”

Am I the only one praying that we don’t see 1 start from Lance Cormier or Jo Jo Reyes in 2008???

By Tomas

September 28, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

Chipper MVP….

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

Paladin, you don’t need to tell me. I always know when my buddy is giving me or others hell under a different name. I think I do the same to you all the time as well. What’s the fun of lockerroom pranks if you let the guy see you do it? The fun is watching the guy get flustered before he realizes it’s you and it’s cool ‘cause you both know he’ll get you back the next day or next hour. G’Nite Paladin.

By Stinky

September 28, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Skip Caray gets a wurlitzer? I knew it was a Busch league concept when dob was ‘nominated’, but now that the father of Chip ‘Ding Dong the streak is dead’ Caray is being rewarded for getting fired by TBS because he doesn’t have that much wit or a face for TV…

Well, Stinky has this to say: GOOD RIDDaNCE!!!*

By BravesFanInRockies

September 28, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

DonC,

I’m not too alarmed about JoJo in ‘08. He showed potential in most of his starts but had the deer-in-headlights look too often. Some innings he seemed to be afraid to throw strikes. I think he’ll be OK, but it could take a few more months in Richmond to straighten him out.

Jeff Bennett should get a serious look next year, for the pen, anyway, because he looks like a battler who (unlike Buddy Carlyle, unfortunately) has pretty decent stuff.

Lance, well, Lance may be your classic AAAA pitcher …

By flange1

September 28, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

JJS,

Great pronouncement of a deserving award! Congratulations Skip and stick it TBS, you are not my hometown station anymore.

Scoots, Thanks for the Blanco comments. I have not seen him play, just looked at stats, so you and Gil are far ahead of me on his ablilities. Just hoping he might be the answer.

I guess this could be a farewell to Biggio and to Andruw. Come to think of it, Houston would be a great park for Andruw, don’t you think?

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

Sorry, folks, meant to say Carlyle on Sunday instead of Chuck. NOT Cormier.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 8:14 PM | Link to this

Well, that’s not something you see every day: Back-to-back doubles and the Braves don’t score.

Escobar, bad read on that one. That or Snit didn’t wave his arms enough to get his attention. I wasn’t watching Snitker and didn’t see him on replay, just saw Escobar going back to second to tag up.

By Rosalynn

September 28, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this

Congratulations to Skip Carah! Winna of the Wuhlitzuh! Much like Juhnalist Jimma Smith, Ah was just a little guhl when Ah fuhst huhd Skip Carah broadcasting baseball. He talked kinda funna and Ah remembah sahing to my childhood sweethaht (latah, leaduh of the free wuhld), “Jimma, that boah talks kinda funna.” Jimma just looked up at me and grinned that big ol’ tootha grin and said, “Rosa, deah, that boah suah does talk funna!”

Mahbah the fact that Jimma and Ah agree on so manah things is a reason we ah still togetha aftah all these yeahs.

Ah also enjoah Skip’s son, Drew Carah. Now, that boah is a fine actah and comedian and so vera handsome!

One thing Skip Carah does not do well is pronounce “p” wuhds or “p” playahs. Skip makes that little spittle sound when he says, “Prado” or some other “P’ wuhds. Ah would not want to be sitting next to him when he is trahing to pronounce some “p” wuhds and Ah would not like to talk into a microphone he has been using. still, this handicap did not prevent Skip’s winnin’ a Wuhlitzuh.

Puhaps Lew could paint a pictuah of Skip ridin’ that ostrich. Jimma just laughed and laughed when that ostrich stahted sagging undah all that announcah weight.

By GaCracker

September 28, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this

Booby Cox you idiot! Playing AJ after the break when you had both Willie and Matt to play left and center - you sir are senile! No center fielder who produces as little as AJ should be starting, even if his defensive skills are like those of Mays or Speaker! Thormond has had 2 years - as has Yates - and Chuck James led the majors in gopher balls despite the small number of innings pitched. If the Braves were 3rd in hitting and second in E.R.A. after the break and failed to win going away the Bobby you screwed it up big time!

By Stinky

September 28, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

Yes, the official under-the-table Braves Apologist is on the case tonight.

This will get censored!!!!

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

September 28, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this

The Muts are losing and the Phillies are winning. The bandwagon bloggers are nowhere to be found , just us regulars.

By MegaBravesFan

September 28, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this

I wonder how many MLB players are from Georgia. It seems like there are a million, and a whole lot of good ones.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this

Phils lead by 3 and Mets trail by 3. This is the biggest New York Collapse since the 1929 Wall Street Crash. Pretty humorous from this vantage point.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 8:42 PM | Link to this

Beachcomber, you should send an e-mail to Bowman, who’s sitting next to me watching his beloved Mountaineers on one of the overhead pressbox TVs he had them tune to the game.

Yeah, he’s from West Virginia, which you’d believe if you heard him talk.

By Savannah Guy

September 28, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

Lew My suggestion for Skip’s Wurlitzer would be either a head (closeup) profile of Skip, relaxed, between thoughts/words, carefully watching the game behind the microphone in the booth. Everyday, every year Skip.

Or, my favorite…capture him in the same setting, screaming “Braves Win”. Classic, historical event Skip that would put an “image” with the proclamation heard ‘round Braves nation.

There have to be reference photos available that can be found of those scenes.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

Escobar absolutely SCORCHES balls about 7 out of 10 times he makes contact. Dude consistenly puts the barrel on the ball, big-time.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 28, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

Gee, six of nine of tonight’s Braves starters played in Richmond this year. That was one awesome AAA club….

By Bob

September 28, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

It is uncanny how the Braves cannot get a good ole standard sacrifice fly when they load the bases. I mean we got a couple of runs, but both Francoeur and Jones balls were hit into the infield. It has gotten to the point I hope we don’t load the bases anymore.

Mets now down by 4 in the 5th.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

So if the Mets complete this incredible, unprecedented, embarrasing and hideous collapse and miss the playoffs altogether after leading the division all year, wonder how much Mets traffic we’ll get on the blog this winter….

By Stinky

September 28, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

I shouldn’t give Skip too much grief. There were probably some poor souls out there who needed Skip to explain the infield fly rule.

By Efrim

September 28, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

Why are you people rooting for the Phillies?????

DOB

Please explain to people that Philly fans are less than scum.

Also, should we be worried about Chuck? Is an MRI needed?

By Stinky

September 28, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

My suggestion for a wurlitzer for Skip would be a big, fat belly that stretched into the sky and eclipsed the sun, moon and stars.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

September 28, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

On another note. Where is Gregor Blanco ? Um , that would be , back in Venezuela. Why wasn’t he called up , because the Braves were believed to be in a playoff race. Now , with three games left to play and nothing on the line , Willie Harris is playing while the CF Gregor Blanco is on the 40 man roster , has used up an option year in 2007(invited to spring training with the Braves). The retread , Willy Harris is in CF while the prospect who should be playing is home in Venezuela. Talk about a waste of talent and resources , nice job Schuerholz and Cox , really nice.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

DOB, I think it safe to bet that Mets Drool will NEVER show his face on this blog again. This makes all their trash talk about 14 Division Titles and only one World Championship pale to nothing. I hope they enjoy their streak of 1 Division Championships.

The real question is will Willie Randolph keep his job? That team is a mess. Mutt fans are screaming at everyone including Saint Reyes. His smiling the other night during another Mets loss has them really p——d off. And no, it wasn’t one of those Andruw smiles…it was laughing and joking around.

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

All the OF talk did get me to thinking about a couple of prospects. That characterization of Jordan Schaefer as the “next Grady Sizemore” made me chuckle…that’s a lot to say about a kid who hasn’t seen AA. I only saw him during one series this year, and he was struggling at the time. Still, 10 HR in 3/4 of a season at that Myrtle Beach ballpark is pretty good punch, and he CAN seriously go get the ball.

The other guy that came to mind was Jason Heyward. I haven’t seen him play, but I have SEEN him, and he’s already physically mature at just 18. I mean, he’s man-sized. That might get him through the low minors a little more quickly, anyway. Given his potential, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him up in 2010 sometime. Absolutely nothing in fact to base that on, of course, LOL, kid might tank at Rome, for all I know.

Anyhow, these two guys might make me reluctant to lock in a trade/FA OF at serious dollars and serious years. I just have a feeling that between Brandon Jones, Schaefer, Heyward, and Frenchy, the OF will be in pretty good shape sooner than later.

By Stinky

September 28, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Does anyone out there remember Tilly? The all time teller?

By Bob

September 28, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Efrim,

The Mets are worse than scum. I am not a Philly fan at all, but I do take great pleasure in seeing the Mets die a slow death, especially after all their trolls were on this blog this year. As G.S. Patton said, “all glory is fleeting” and their glory was very short lived.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this

Efrim, I really get the impression it’s just a precautionary thing, since the game’s meaningless Sunday, no reason to have a guy pitch if he had some soreness. Is an MRI necessary? I don’t really know how I’m supposed ot answer that. He felt some soreness behind the shoulder. It happens a lot, really does. Unless we see him pitch again, we probably won’t know anything more until he throws again and let’s someone know if there’s a problem….

As for Philly fans, they’re a rough bunch, but they were pretty impressive in that series this week, gotta say. Loud and very enthusiastic.

They don’t sit on their hands, ever. I’ll give them that.

By Overlord

September 28, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

Worried about chuck???

We have been worrying about him for 6 months now!!!!!!!

Of course we are worried.

By Mr. Fly (Sleuth Reporter)

September 28, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

My distant country cousin from Plains liked to visit Jimmy and Rosalynn. Peanut butter, crackers and Bubba Beer were always a favorite when he was there.

Old Cousin Fly went to the White House once to see Jimmy and rocked in those Brumby rockers. Peach pie and dewberry cobbler were served that day. Got his “piktchur took” with the First Lady too. He perched on her nose for the portrait, but, “Her hand was justa’ wavin’ in fronta’ her face like all getout” is what Ol’ cuz Fly used to say.

Ros came out fuzzy in that picture but Cuz Fly looked real good and sharp. Made us all proud. Miss Roz said after that photo shoot, “now ol’ cuz Flah, theah yah go again”. “You ah just a nosy ‘ol Flah.”

By Overlord

September 28, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

OOOOOOOPPPPPSSSS, SD is leading mil., so it looks like the muts will be in 2nd place in the WC, maybe even 3rd if col makes a comeback.

By beachcomber

September 28, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

DOB - Please send Mr.Bowman this old Bull’s regards - and good analysis on the prospects of Met’s traffic on the blog this winter.

Now that my beloved Braves are out of it, I have to pull for my spring hometown team - particularly against the evil empire from Flushing.

A lot has been made of the Phil’s fans and I witness it every spring in Clearwater but their front office top to bottom is one of the classiest in baseball.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, just saw your earlier idea for Skip’s award. I like it. And yes, you summarized him rather succinctly.

By Savannah Guy

September 28, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

Another brilliant call by Hernandez. Pitiful.

By Rich Eisen

September 28, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

Swung on, line drive left field! One run is in! Here’s the throw to the plate! He is…safe! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!…Braves win!

Oh No. Skip Caray had an apparent heart attack, doubled over, and fell two flights on a young popcorn vendor.

I hope the young vendor is all right.

By Efrim

September 28, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

Bob

At least the Mets actually won something last year. The Phillies have done nothing but been mediocre the last 14 years. Mediocre. I wish neither of them could make the playoffs, but that isn’t the case because the Braves couldn’t get the job done. I can’t wait to shut both of them up next season…..

By Lew

September 28, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

Now if we were to award a Wurlitzer for dissatisfaction, I wonder who would win ?

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

September 28, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

Philly 6 Washington 0 , Florida 7 Muts 4. Willie Randolph just might be looking for a new job in baseball , real soon.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

My, someone sure is trying just a little too hard here tonight, isn’t he? Oh, well. No harm. Just kinda painful to witness.

By Bosco the Chocolate Bear

September 28, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

Lew, would it be someone whiny, maybe a whiny little jerk? And Lew, how do you characterize, “Whiny”? And has anyone noticed a certain whiny little jerk seeking attention here tonight and getting none? Soon, a blogger will “appear” and make small talk with the small minded one. The term, “WLJ” is said to rub a nerve. Meltdown is imminent.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

Efrim,

The Mets won the Division once. If the Phillies win it this weekend they will have won it once. I don’t care much for them or their fans, but I very much enjoy what is happening to the Mets and their fans.

They have sold 47K tickets the last 4 days, but have you seen Shea? Tons and tons of empty seats. The FAN in NYC has blasted the Mets fans for not showing up this week. Well, maybe we won’t have to hear anymore about not completely selling out playoff games. Hell, the Mets are in the fight of their lives and they are playing to 35K in the seats because a whole bunch of Mets fans aren’t showing up. Guess they don’t like horror movies.

With some shrewd moves to get some starting pitching over the winter, I see no reason that this team cannot win the division next year. I certainly hope so.

By Lew

September 28, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this

DOB-Which one of Braveheart’s ideas? He’s had about seven.

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

So is anyone watching the Mets? Someone in the pressbox just said Oliver Perez hit two batters back-to-back with the bases loaded? Oye.

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

One of the reasons I have always loved baseball, is because even when they are not playing, I can speculate on what I would do if I were the GM.

I really enjoy reading many of your post on what you would do here or there.

Some observations: PITCHING is the top priority, which is why we don’t worry about AJ or trying to get Aaron Rowand. Too much money, unless the new owners are REALLY going to increase the payroll more than most of us think, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

So, what to do to get more pitching. Very few decent FA choices, and they are almost always too expensive for what they return. The only ones that intrigue me are Matt Clement (how is his arm?) and Carlos Silva, who would be a decent #4 or #5.

I would trade any combination of the following to get us an up and coming starter: Renteria, Thorman(has value), James, Yates, Reyes. I am thinking in terms of guys like Matt Cain of the Giants. The Giants need lots of help. You might have to give them someone like Brandon Jones or Brent Lillibridge too. I am NOT saying we would need to give them ALL these guys, but a ocmbo that would benefit the Giants, as well as the Braves.

To get a Giants deal done, we could offer to take the contract off Randy Winn or Ray Durham or Dave Roberts, which would also help the Giants get rid of some unattractive contracts. These guys might actually help our team as spot starters and pinch hitters(Roberts and Durham) or as CF alternatives (Winn).

Other CF candidates who would probably come fairly cheap would be guys like Ryan Church, Ryan Freel, Chris Duffy, Cody Ross, Cory Sullivan or David DeJesus. Any of these guys would be decent fielders, and their hitting would be plus if they did well.

OR, you could put our man Frenchy out in CF, and count on him for 162 games. Work out LF and RF with combos of BJones, Diaz, KJ, or some other acquisition. Leave him there until Schafer was ready, then put those two in whatever positions (RF and CF) that would best benefit the Braves.

OR, we could audition Blanco in the spring. Actually, if we choose to do so, and he doesn’t cut it, then we could punt to Frenchy.

Just some thoughts. Whaddya think, my hot stove friends?

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

September 28, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

Man , I hate it when I’m right…… 2006 , 2007 , more to follow in 2008.

By bruce

September 28, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Dave, I’m kinda surprised you liked Bull’s pork BBQ sandwich in Philly… I thought it had way too much sauce that overwhelms when I tried it on the previous trip, did not try it this last trip… almost no smoked pork flavor comes through at all. Maybe the batch yours came from was better than mine last month. The Turkey legs looked really smoked, and folks eating them look so Flintstone… I do want to try the smoked turkey sandwich next year. My favorite Philly item was the buffalo chicken blue cheese pizza last month… outstanding combo of flavors on pizza. Thanks, Bruce

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this

You’re right about Escobar DOB. I was dead wrong with all those silly Michael Jordan AA homer comparisons I made a handful of times on here this summer. I am glad I was dead wrong. It teaches me to watch a player play before commenting on things. Escobar has got tons of power. He just laser beams liners and grounders all over the yard. Which is good. Escobar strikes me as a guy who could be a .310 hitter with Jeter type homer power if he keeps his swing the way it is or a .280 hitter with 25-30 homer power if he decides to start uppercutting more. Either way, I’ll be cool with him.

And you’re right about the Mets fans and you know who as well. So sad when the joke is on him and he does not even know it.

By Steve from OH

September 28, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

Lots of good discussion tonight. Much better than most of this year…

Anyhoo, I wouldn’t trade both Chuck and JoJo. I would trade Chuck for the right package (Cain, Blanton, etc.). Yes, I know I’ve said before that he shouldn’t be traded, but if we get someone better than him, it only makes sense. I’m also predicting a strong Hampton comeback. The guy is disappointed in himself for the last two years and he’ll have something to prove to everyone (especially himself) next year. If Chuck goes, put JoJo in the fifth spot and let him develop. We’ll at least be sure of 3 good starters, and two that can be at least good, if not very good.

Plenty of good, feasible options for CF. Not a huge worry, as any of them would provide an increase over this year.

‘08 is looking good from my point of view. Get one pitcher, a bench, and we can raise the pennant!

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

Bruce, I was talking about the turkey sandwich, not the turkey legs.

Yes, the pork was a little overwhelmed by the too-red sauce, but overall I still thought it was a good sandwich, really did.

Lew, I was talking about the idea of the “Lar-ry” fan in Philly. Didn’t see his other ideas. Any other good ones?

By David O'Brien

September 28, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

That’s 56 RBIs in 53 Braves games for Teixeira.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

Savannah, have you ever heard Buck Belue talk about his Angel Hernandez experiences? They are hilarious if you ever listen to his show. I guess Buck had to deal with the infamous Angel on many occasions when Buck was a minor leaguer with the Expos. Buck hates that man with a passion.

By Steve from OH

September 28, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this

By the way, I would just like to say that it’s been a pleasure to watch Andruw play here for the past 10 years. He is (or was) the complete package, all 5 tools. It makes me sick to see everyone bashing him when every other year he’s played here he’s been one of our best players.

I disagree with his choice of employees, so to say, but baseball is a business, and he’s gonna do what’s best for him and his family.

Thanks for a great (Atlanta) career, Andruw.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

I can understand Buck’s feelings. Hernandez has to be about the worst ump in the Bigs. He is horrible and has a quick thumb to boot.

By A-ville Ranger

September 28, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

I think we all agree,or at least most all, the team needs to pick up one or more really good starting pitchers this off-season.We know Smoltz and Hudson will have spots barring injury or felonious behavior.Say JS signs one starter, who fills out the rotation ? There’s James,Reyes and Hampton (stop laughing stranger things have happened).My guess is both Reyes and James will make it but if I had to choose between them Reyes looks to have the higher ceiling to me.As for Hampton, I think he’ll have a lounge chair stuffed with thousand dollar bills where he’ll sit and laugh at us fools who have to earn our money.

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

Wayne, I find that I’m just a wee bit intrigued by the Randy Winn idea. A solid bat. Don’t know his contract, though.

But…hard to believe that the Giants, who appear to be years away from contending again, would be interested in Edgar. And you would think they would want pitching back as part of a package, no? So, could the Braves afford to move ANY pitching, even prospects, in the offseason?

But, Randy Winn. Hmmm.

Oh yeah, let’s pull some stingers down in ATL this weekend, eh? Davis and Spiller means a thriller.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Bob, I listen to Buck Belue all the time on the radio. He gets annoyed with people quite often but you rarely hear him speak with contempt for someone like the way he talks about Angel Hernandez. The funniest thing is that whenever that name comes up Buck will say Angel Hernandez over and over again in various mocking tones like he can’t get the name of the man out of his head. Angel Hernandez is a very bad ump. To hear tell Buck tell it, it was no different 25 years ago.

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

A-ville Do you know much about Mike Hampton, except that he has a large contract? If not, then study up on him before throwing stones. The guy is probably hurting more than you could know by not being able to earn his contract.

BTW, if you blew out your ACL completely on the job, to no fault of your own, would you give back all the workers comp money????

I didn’t think so.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Steamboat, first of all, yes, I think the Braves should trade Edgar if they can get fair value or very close to it. The reason isn’t just because of his salary. It’s also because the Braves have a suitable replacement in Escobar.

Second of all, Cameron didn’t just play half his games in a pitcher’s park…he played half his game in the most extreme pitcher’s park in baseball. I’m not pretending he’s a better hitter than Renteria but certainly closer than those OPS numbers.

Third of all, Cameron may very well hit .250. But batting average does NOT take into account walks, hit-by-pitch or total bases. And strikeout total really doesn’t tell us all that much about production and run creation. If he strikes out 160 times in 650 plate appearances, that will leave him plenty of non-strikeout plate appearances to do some good things.

By MrC

September 28, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Everyone loves to 2nd guess but rarely admit the correct decisions….. Just watched Marcus Giles strike out on ESPN. Curiosity got the best of me and I looked at his yearly stats. TERRIBLE….guess letting him go was the correct decision. Remember the up roar when he was released. Got to give props where they are due. Letting him go was the RIGHT decision by management. Give credit where it is due.

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this

How does an ump like Hernandez keep his job?

By ssiscribe

September 28, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

Top of the evening, denizens. Good to see the ballclub jump out tonight and get a big lead (been flipping over to the Brewers and Padres game).

The Mets are about to slip one game behind the Phillies … Grinch, you better call MetroMan and make sure all sharp objects are out of his sight. Man, what a monumental collapse this will be, a seven-game lead on Sept. 12, and 16 days later, they are on the verge of falling one game out, an eight-game swing in two weeks and two days.

Folks, that is among the greatest fold jobs in the history of the game. Wow. Absolutely something else. Can we get No Chop Zone back on here for a comment?

Hope the Phillies hold on. Anybody wanna play them in the first round? Their pitching isn’t awesome, but Hamels is a stud and he would be on point to go in Game 1, after pitching tonight. The top of that lineup is awesome, indeed. And they’re hot, which carries a lot of weight in the postseason.

It’s gonna be fun to watch these playoffs, even though the Braves won’t be in it. Phillies possibly. Cubs, probably. The Diamondbacks and the Padres … who had those four picked in March?

DOB, tell Bowman the Mountaineers need more than field goals if they wanna get back in it.

Brewers down to final seven outs; Cubs have clinched a tie, and can lock up the Central altogether if the Pads hold on.

As for Skip, I was at Game 7 of the 1992 NLCS. How about a pic of Sid sliding into home, with a pic of Skip in the corner at the mike and his call of the play somewhere on there? Just an idea from the Scribe, who now will return to enjoying the first hours of vacation.

Y’all take it easy. The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul, Rowand for four years would be worse than Cameron for one. Rowand at the end of his next contract isn’t going to be a very good player. So I wouldn’t take the chance that Rowand would be tradeable. See Johnny Damon. And Rowand is no Johnny Damon.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, I listen to him a lot too. Might have more to do with the competition though. Buck will always be a hero to me for obvious reasons, but he is not exactly the most dynamic voice on the radio. Sometimes his sarcasm gets a little old. Think the Dawgs made the right choice in picking Eric Zier for the radio broadcasts. We got to figure out how to be more productive with the bases loaded and for damn sure we need to work a ton on sacrifice bunting.

I am optimistic for next year with this team. Got to find more starting pitching, but the bullpen looks in better hands than it has in a lot of years. Did pretty good this year considering how overworked they were.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this

Has anyone else noticed how much JoJo resembles Andy Pettite with his windup and delivery? They’re both thick trunked guys and everything about their windups seems similar, even the way JoJo stands on the mound to the way he kicks his leg and delivers the ball. JoJo is pitching good tonight.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

By David O’Brien

September 28, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

Bruce, I was talking about the turkey sandwich, not the turkey legs.

jimmy smith thought dob was talking about stinky.

By A-ville Ranger

September 28, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this

Wayne—boo!! hoo!!How about you post what you post and let me decide what I post.As for his pain perhaps giving some of those free millions back would ease it.Otherwise I really don’t give a rats fu** about his pain.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

If no one listens to anything I say in my posts, PLEASE listen when I say strikeout total doesn’t necessarily tell us much about a player’s production.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

Nice job by Joey Devine. Glad he didn’t have to relive a repeat of 05.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this

Aville, it’s not like Hampton was merely hurt and being a wuss…. the man was injured. There’s a big difference. He ain’t being Carl Pavano.

By Savannah Guy

September 28, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, don’t believe I’ve ever heard Buck talk about Angel. Buck was Sports Director for the ABC affiliate here in Savannah for about four years and still has a column in the paper here, but not exactly the venue for the Hernandez stuff. I’ve heard his radio show dozens of times when in ATL, but we don’t get it here.

Regardless, I agree with Buck if he ranks mightily on that particular ump. The fella has some kind of weird problem. Really.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

Mets lose AGAIN. Phils in first. The crash continues.

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this

A-ville Well, if there was any doubt before, you have certainly cleared it up now. Besides not knowing $hit about Mike Hampton, you are dumb as a frickin box of rocks too! It’s called a space bar. USE IT, a$$ wipe!

BTW, have a nice day!

:-)

By Steamboat

September 28, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this

Shaun, appreciate the response. I don’t hate Cameron, but I DO believe the 101 OPS+ is park adjusted: it indicates he’s just barely above average, and has just had his worst season of his career, at age 34. I’m having trouble getting excited about paying 8 or 9 mil in F/A dollars, for 2 years (and is he REALLY gonna sign a 2-year deal?) for mediocrity on the decline. We’ll see, I guess.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this

well, dob is talking turkey tonight. and the braves seem to play pretty well when there is nothing to gain. no choking on a turkey leg. no giblets caught in the throat. and what is a giblet and what is it doing in turkey gravy? and is turkey sandwich the preferred sandwich of this blog? bbq, pimento cheese, and cheese sandwiches also receive much play here (dob is the cheese sandwich connoisseur). and then there is the shrimp sandwich that has been bandied about for a few weeks. at least two bloggers here favor the shrimp sandwich. what say you, bloggers? should this blog have an official sandwich? where is wicky when wicky is needed?

oh, the humanity! the mets have lost the lead! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

By Overlord

September 28, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

Muts collapse has its bases on Reyes .216 BA in september.

I mean the 2nd place muts.

As we speak, the muts are not in the playoffs……. so better burn all those playoff tickets muts fans, specially YOU DROOL.

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this

I’ll never in my lifetime make the money a guy like Mike Hampton makes in one year of this contract. BUT, I NEVER begrudge a man his money. If AJ wants to go for it, fine, go for it. Just don’t say it’s up to the Braves whether he stays or goes.

I just think it is so petty when guys come on here and cry about what these players are making. Most of us would do the same thing in their shoes.

By Savannah Guy

September 28, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this

So the Mets lose. Now in second place…MONU-mental collapse. Complete meltdown of historic proportions. Makes ya feel kinda sad for the Mets and those poor Mutt trolls that came in here stirring things up all season. Too bad they must be crushed.

Yea, right.

HA.

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this

CW is above the Mendoza line!

By MrC

September 28, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

WOW…..the collapse of the Mets is almost complete. UNF!*C Believable. I sure glad the Braves did not go through that….I would be absolutely, positively crushed. Can’t imagine what it is to be Mets fan right now. No sympathy have you but still cannot imagine. I think the only way I can relate is when the Braves lost game 5 against Houston (I was at the game). So amped and total annihilation. But to go through 5 -0 10 games is unimaginable.

By A-ville Ranger

September 28, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

Braveheart ——Trust me I get it.If the guy really had pain about not doing his job he could have retired and let the team sign a replacement.He has more money than his kids can spend, it comes down to greed.Oh I almost forgot, I really,truly don’t give a rats fu** about his pain.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah,

In the Army we call it “dumb as a box of rocks with lips”. :-)

By Savannah Guy

September 28, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this

Did someone “say” something about strikeout totals and player production? Didn’t hear it. Must not have been listening. Keyboard didn’t make a sound.

<(:o)

By Capital To Spend

September 28, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this

Rejoice Braves fans!

If, God forbid, the Mets get out to another lead in the NL East next year, the Mets trolls should be easy to silence!

A historic melt down! A choke of epic purportions! If the Mets lead the East next year, Mets fans will be sweating bullets the entire season! The season will be a miserable exercise in panic no matter what the lead is.

I really don’t think that will be the case though.(Mets leading the east next year) The Mets are fatally flawed and now they are a team of self-doubters. The dreams of a mini dynasty are shattered.

I’m not picking on the respectable Mets fans who come here to interact like adults (there are a couple) but I direct my last comment to MetsDrool boy.

How’s that taste! HAHAHAHAHAHA

By Bob

September 28, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy,

You are right. I feel sad for No Chop and the Drooler. I mean those poor guys must really be in purgatory right now. No, wait a minute that can’t be right. Mets Drool is on an EXTENDED business trip. After all, his prolonged absences were always due to “business trips” when the Mets would slump.

I feel real bad for them. Hahahaha, Phils Rule, Mets Drool.

By hansoal

September 28, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

Correct me if I’m wrong, but with the Yankee’s loss, that means that the Braves record of 14 straight division titles will stand for quite a while longer now!

Gotta find something to hang the hat on, now, right?

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Bob: See now, I was in the Air Force, so we learned it wrong I guess. But, in the end, dumb rises to it’s level of dumbness!

It’s like John Wayne said, “Life is tough. It’s even tougher when your stupid!”

:-)

By MrC

September 28, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this

Don’t direct any comments to Mets Drool. You have seen the last of him. He doesn’t have the ba**s to show up any more.

By Ron Roberts

September 28, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this

The Braves will improve themselves by NOT re-signing Andruw, frankly, but only if they don’t go with Mike Cameron in his place. Ther has to be a moer serviceable option than Cam. Gimme a .280-.300 hitting decent defensive CF and that would improve this team.

C’mon, consider how many times Andruw was up in clutch “late and close” situations and struck out or popped out or grounded into game-and-rally-ending double plays this year.

With Teixeira, CJones, KJohnson, Francoeur, McCann, (and God, PLEASE, keep Edgar with his batting title-esque hitting), this offense doesn’t need a swing-for-the-fences, all-or-nothing .250-.265 hitting salary gouge in CF. But Mike Cameron doesn’t really improve this team, or even keep us standing pat, in my opinion. We’ll lose a step defensively, and we’ll lose a step in power (which I’m ok with if we picked up some batting average, which recent numbers have shown we won’t.)

I know we aren’t in Torii Hunter range, but getting Mike Cameron just because he lives in Atlanta and he’s the next-biggest free agent CF name out there isn’t reason enough to sign and pay him that kinda money for what he’s likey to bring this team.

Just my opinion.

By Savannah Guy

September 28, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

Official sandwich must be the BBQ? Or cheeseburger? Or fish taco (is taco a mexican sandwich)? Or shrimp? Has the fried baloney sandwich ever been discussed? Peanut butter and jelly? Spam?

So many sandwiches to choose from…

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this

I suspect you have heard the last from MetsDrool. He might come back, but probably under some other screen name.

I too feel bad for the decent Mets fans out there. I actually pulled for them in ‘69 when the Miracle Mets captured many of our hearts. And that was after they eliminated my Braves. BTW, Hammerin’ Hank had a HR in each of those 3 playoff games that we lost! Take that, Barroid Bonds!

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

Nice game from JoJo and the pen. Nice to see the kid get a hit (BJ). Too bad that Blanco isn’t up to play a little CF for the weekend. Willie comes through again with 3 K’s in an 0-4.

By ssiscribe

September 28, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

Time for the 64 Phillies and the 78 Red Sox to slide over and make room for the newest member of the club de collapse, the 07 Mets.

Wow. Freaking wow. Unbelievable.

And the Cubbies are in, too. Good for them. A friend of mine’s husband is a huge Cubs’ fan, and I told him I’ll pull for them in the postseason.

Personally, I think a Cubs/Indians World Series would be awesome. Cubs haven’t won it since 1908. Indians haven’t won it since 1948. Two old-school franchises, great baseball cities, great fans. I’m an old-school guy. I think that would be awesome.

OK, back to vacation, already in progress. I can smell the buffet lines in Vegas. And I’ll be somewhere when the first pitch of the postseason is thrown Wednesday, Scotch and Coke in hand, ready to watch it unfold.

Good win for us tonight. Jo Jo gets his second career victory. Let’s get the next two and ride into the offseason on a good note. We’ve played great baseball the past three weeks; finish the drill and end it with a positive spin.

And this time next year, when I’m planning the anniversary trip to Vegas, the Braves WILL be playoff bound. Mark those words, denizens.

Thrashers’ season is about to begin … and the Mets’ season is about to end.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Steamboat, OPS+ assumes SLG is of equal importance to OBP, which isn’t the case. Second, it doesn’t take position into account. Again, no pretending Cameron is a great player, just solid for the contract he’ll likely get.

I wouldn’t be opposed to the other options some have brought up, but the contract is big. Rowand, for instance, may want a four-year deal for $10-11 million a year. I think Rowand would be a better option than Cameron next season but I’m against signing him for that long for that much. Again, Johnny Damon is a perfect example of why, and Rowand has never been as good as Damon was in his prime.

By TheSouthernJackAss

September 28, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Where is that pencil-necked A$SClown from from Nola??

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

WW Do ya think Frenchy might be able to go 7 innings with that cannon????

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this

Guys, it’s OK…I doubt Hampton gives a rat’s azz about Ranger’s opinion, either, so call it a wash, LOL.

Deal with this: Randy Winn. It’s Wayne’s idea, but I’m stealin’ it. Why spend $7MM on Mike Cameron, when Winn’s at the same money and signed thru 2009? Just slightly better offensive stats, LOL; fits the projected time frame; switch hits, good from both sides; consistent throughout his career; good defender. What’s not to love? Package some BP arms, maybe, or ask for Winn and a pitcher (Wayne’s idea again, darn it) and build a package to fit. Seems to me there might be some legs there, somewhere.

By Edgar

September 28, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this

Willie AIN’T the answer at CF for 2008.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, have you looked at Cameron’s numbers. I know he’s older but compare his numbers to Tori Hunter’s. And Hunter will probably get the second-biggest contract besides AJ, which will be absolutely rediculous.

By the second or third year of Hunter’s contract some team will be praying for Doc Brown to come flying in with the Delorean.

By MrC

September 28, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this

I used to be a Mets fan. Born in NY then transplanted to the south at a young age. Pulled for them in the 1970’s and 80’s. Somehow changed in the 90’s with the advent of cable TV and living in the south. In the Air Force and moved to Alaska. TBS hooked me. Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, & Avery. Does it get any better than that. Did not appreciate it when it was there. Now the Mets seem cocky. Braves have never been accused of that. Seem to pull more for the Braves that they are not winning divisions then when they were. Whats up with that? Anyway, just love the Braves and happy to be fan.

By Savannah Guy

September 28, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this

Wayne Hey, Utah! Your 9:44 was full of good thoughts…trouble is, I’m too brain dead to even think about it at this point in the evening. Keep’em coming and I’ll try to get around that hot stove with ya soon.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

ncscoots, I think you answered your own question—Winn is under contract. The Braves would have to give up players for him and pay him as much as Cameron or someone else. Why give up money and players when you can just give up money and get Cameron or someone else.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

September 28, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

This is priceless! The Mets are choking and having a meltdown that has never been seen before. I remember just two short weeks ago how certain Mets fans were on here bragging about their “Amazins” and how the fall of the Braves was complete and the Mets were on their way to winning their second of many consecutive NL East titles. Really?! Is that so? It doesn’t appear that way to me. The Queens Chokers have lost five in a row to the Nats and the Fish!

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Boy, I wouldn’t want to eat at the Long John Silvers tongight. I assume a certain blogger who is a Mets fan who likes to come on here and harrass Braves fans and brag about his “Amazins” (No Chop Zone) is in a very foul mood! I wouldn’t order the shrimp.

Wait. I should use some decorum. I should not be so hard on the Mets. I mean any team can collapse. It could happen to anybody. It happens to the best of them……Well, actually it hasn’t. This is unheard of. They had a SEVEN GAME LEAD with 17 to play and are going to lose the division.

No, it isn’t over but all the Phillies have to do is win one more game to force a playoff on Monday, which works in the Phillies favor. Who are the Mets going to send to the mound? Brian Lawrence? Mike Pelphrey? Phillip Humber? Yeah, the division is as good as the Phils and even if the Mets slither their way in they will get hammered by the Cubs in the NLDS.

Well, I guess at least the Mets will finish ahead of the Braves but we all know if the Braves had just one more week the “Amazins” would finish in third. Hell, in a way they are fourth because the Nats smacked them around like Ike did Tina after a night on the Turkey!

Mets fans you deserve this. At least the Phillie fans don’t come on this blog and demean and harrass people like certain Mets fans do. Metropolitan Man, I don’t mean you. You are actually a class act unlike the trolls that infiltrate this blog and the low-lifes that like to constantly chant “Larry” as if Chipper even cares. He still slaps the Mets around like they are some Class A team.

By Tyler

September 28, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this

Our best trade options for pitchers:

Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Noah Lowry of the Giants. Dustin McGowan, Shawn Marcum, A.J. Burnett of the Blue Jays. Aaron Harang, Bronson Arroyo of the Reds. Ian Snell, Gorzellany of the Pirates. Plus others. Most can be obtained-maybe not Harang. All the rest are very promising and affordable besides Burnett. A deal with the Giants could include Rajai Davis (21 steals, .280 BA, CF) or Randy Winn (.298 BA).

Free agent market has Kyle Lohse and Tom Glavine.

Best chances are through trade. Would LOVE to get some of those guys.

By A-ville Ranger

September 28, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

Wayne you’re still a pretentious turd.I bet you have posters of these guys in your bedroom.How about you grow up and worry about your life or at least not concern me with your child like hero worship of these spoiled athletes.There’s only one pro athlete I care about in the least in Atlanta,Warrick Dunn and that’s because of his real philanthropy not this pr bs they all do.I really don’t care what you do just leave me out of your nonsense.

By Shaun

September 28, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this

As much as I hate to say it, it would be kind of nice to see the Phillies in the playoffs. They’ve underachieved for five or six years now.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 28, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this

Wow, The Richmond Braves played a pretty nice little game tonight, it was strange though, I could have sworn their season was over….

Okay folks, I have seen the future and it is good. There are more where they came from.

Yes, I realize it was only the Astros but a win is a win.

DOB Sorry these are not meaningful games for you but at least the Braves were in this thing until the final weekend. Think about it for a moment, you could still be covering the Marlins….

By jbutler

September 28, 2007 11:33 PM | Link to this

Wayne…I completely agree w/your AJ/money assessment. If he can get it, and that’s what he values…go for it. That’s a rarified air my middle class existence won’t ever breathe…But- its fun to arm chair quarterback and say “what if…”

I’m feeling my baseball season wrapping up…Both my teams are shutting down..Two meaningless games for the Braves, and the Rox lost/Padres won.

Now the fun is wondering how far/fast the Mets collapse will truly go??? They may well be falling as fast as the ball in Times Square. But I’m guessing there won’t be fireworks for this display!!

By Lew

September 28, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

Scribe-I was a 13 year old kid in Philly in 64. That ten game losing streak about did me in. I even went to the 8th loss. Johnny Callison hit three consecutive HR’s over the right field wall and the Braves with Hank Aaron beat them 11-8. Kind of ironic that the Phillies will be the ones benefiting from the next most notorious skid. All the Phillies have to do is go on a two game winning streak and it’s over. I wonder how long before we hear from Trolls again? I saw the last out of the Mets game and Willy Radolph had the blankest look I’ve ever seen. It would make almost as good a portrait as Beltran’s incontinent look from the NLCS last year. Bookends.

Journalist Jimmy. There is no pimiento cheese in Vermont. Oh, The Humanity.

By Braveheart

September 28, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

Holy Crap, SJA is back. Good to see.

Wayne, maybe he can go 7. just hope he does not blow his arm out like canseco.

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

scoots steal away, my friend. This place is for speculatin’ and workin it all out.

In my way of thinking, to create a package with Matt Cain included, it has to be a win-win. One good way to make it work would be to take one or two of those contracts from the Giants (Winn, Roberts, Durham). We would offer Renteria (the Giants are rebuilding, but who better to rebuild around?). Then we offer an arm to replace Cain (James or JoJo).

In addition, I don’t think Klesko is a fixture in SF, so Thorman gives them a legitimate possible future power man. I really think with the right situation, he could come around and put it all together.

Maybe that would be enough, but I think we would have to throw in a prospect. Maybe someone like Owings, Campbell or Holt??

BTW, I really like our OF prospects down at single A. Heyward is a studly looking dude. Then we have Schafer and Cody Johnson, who put together this year.

If our Single A pitching progresses in the next couple of years, we could have a bright future. Hanson, Rohrbough and Medlen can light it up.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this

RobertJITB, is that a vote against the shrimp sandwich? and is that a vote for the turkey sandwich? jimmy smith is very confused now.

By Bob

September 28, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

Robert (Justice),

You’re right about Metro Man and frankly even Anders was good guy to talk to. Didn’t always agree, but it was good conversation. But the Drooler and No Chop are getting exactly what they deserve. You know what they say about countin those Chickens before they hatch. I mean it would have been really a miracle if the Braves had managed to make it this week, but this “Amazin” Collapse is certainly a very nice consolation prize.

By Efrim

September 28, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

Shaun

I’m with you on Cameron, as long as he only costs us 7-8 million per for a max of 2 years. Anymore than that and you are blocking Jordan Schafer. Although Schafer has to go through the Double A circuit to prove he is ready for the show.

By ssiscribe

September 28, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

My friend who is a Cubs fan who I mentioned in my previous post? His wife just sent me a pic of the hotel I’m staying at next week in Vegas (they are there now) … Man, I can’t wait to go.

Hope I can find some good baseball fans to watch the playoffs with … doubt I will find any Mets fans out there. They will be hiding their faces in shame for months to come.

2008 is our time. Enjoy the postseason, let’s win the final two in 2007, and may the Phils seal the deal this weekend in the East!

If it can’t be us, better them than the Mets!!

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera

September 28, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

And now, finally, after six months and 160 games, Jimmy Rollins is right. The Phillies are the team to beat in the NL East.

Good luck to them. They came back from far behind to earn it. Who would’ve believed it after that crushing collapse in Atlanta, when they led 8-3 in the 8th?

By Efrim

September 28, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this

Matt Cain, or Tim Lincecum for that matter, are going nowhere.

By Coach (The Glory Days Remembered)

September 28, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXeaN_-YWMk

By ncscoots

September 28, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this

Shaun, that would be because Winn is a quality player, whereas Cameron is, well, Cameron. The difference in performance is worth the premium.

Please, the man-crush on such a non-entity as Cameron is unseemly. You’ve made your point that Cameron, as an aging, non-impact, $7MM player, is OK with you. Point taken. Understood. Move on. At least, deride OPS+ for a while, and leave Mike Cameron to rot in peace.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 28, 2007 11:48 PM | Link to this

with this recipe in hand, lew can bring pimento cheese to vermont:

1 (3-ounce) package cream cheese, room temperature 1 cup grated sharp cheddar 1 cup grated Monterey Jack 1/2 cup mayonnaise 1/2 teaspoon House Seasoning, recipe follows 2 to 3 tablespoons pimentos, smashed 1 teaspoon grated onion Cracked black pepper

Using an electric mixer, beat cream cheese until smooth and fluffy. Add all of the remaining ingredients and beat until well blended. It can be used as a dip for crudite or as a sandwich filling.

House Seasoning: 1 cup salt 1/4 cup black pepper 1/4 cup garlic powder

Mix ingredients together and store in an airtight container for up to 6 months.

By doc

September 28, 2007 11:52 PM | Link to this

anyone that doesnt get the need for tex and how big he is to become just dont get baseball. if the guy is with the braves for the season do you not think for a moment he isnt an mvp candidate and is being thought of in the same terms as howard or a rod. or we might just still be looking at the chance for the post season and not mumbling about starters that is just about every teams downfall in this era of baseball.

tex is scary and with boras as the agent he might unfortunately be a 22 to 25 mil guy by the end of next season if he keeps stroking it like he has this year and in the past. the guy absolutely rakes it. he will give chipper a chance at 500 homers too if he stays the next four years, it wasnt an accident that chipper really bloomed later in the season after he came back from injury and actually added to his avg. dob sign him now if he wants it at 18mil, just not ready to throw that at andruw as much as i like him.

By Wayne in Utah

September 28, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this

A-ville: Quit peeking in my bedroom dude. So you’ve seen my posters, huh!

Isn’t anything private anymore???

BTW, I am probably old enough to be your dad.

Dude, you were the one with all the jealous BS and ranting about someone that you have absolutely NO clue about.

So, how much of your cash have you given back to your employer, when you felt like you had a bad day?????

By the way, my dad and my son’s who serve our great country are my heroes. And, I am not jealous of Mike Hampton’s or Andruw Jones’ millions, like your words indicate you are….

I know nothing of Warrick Dunn, but I will take your word that he is a good guy.

Do you really think if Hampton retired, it would have made any difference? Who would we have gotten after he blew out his elbow this spring? There wasn’t anybody.

Hampton didn’t do us in. It was our lack of a replacement for him, combined with all of AJ’s missed RBI opportunities.

So, if you want to call a truce, that’s fine. Personally, I don’t care one way or the other.

Just realize if you put that BS out there, don’t be surprised if someone calls you on it.

I guess we do have one thing in common though…..we are both stubborned, and both big Braves fans. That’s gotta count for something, I guess.

By tyyosh

September 28, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

I had to think about it a while, but your points about hitters striking out vs. pitchers getting strikeouts makes sense. There is a sort of converse (inverse?) relationship, where you look at what hitters do when they avoid outs, and you look at what pitchers do to get outs.

By A-ville Ranger

September 29, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this

Wayne I’m not interested in a debate about these greedy,shallow athletes.No hard feelings but your reaction to something I posted that didn’t concern you was just childish….good night.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this

JJS My friend, pimento cheese has now arrived in Utah, to be proudly displayed beside our beloved “fry sauce”.

Efrim You might be right about Cain and Lincecum. Hard throwers are hard to give up. JS has been known to pull a rabbit out of the hat though.

As someone has previously mentioned, I think we might have a fair shot at McGowan or Marcum in Toronto. It would probably require more than Renteria, what with the high price of good pitching these days.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this

While you are all aware of the monumental collapse of the N.Y. Mets , consider this. The Colorado Rockies reeled off eleven wins in a row before losing Friday night 2-4 against the Arizona Diamondbacks and they are all but eliminated from the post-season. They cannot win their division or the wild card and at best could only finish in a tie for the wild card. The Rockies will start Mark Redman tomorrow and are all but doomed to being the biggest heart break team of 2007.

By tyyosh

September 29, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this

Does anyone know this? Ever since Sox/Yanks tied in 2005 and the Yanks won because of the season series record, I have heard talk about the season series being used as a tiebreaker. Is this just for positioning of playoff teams? Because everything out there now says if Phils/Mets tie, there would be a playoff, instead of Phils winning due to winning the season series.

By TheSouthernJackAss

September 29, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this

TheJackAss prefers a big ol’ fried bologna sandwich…

By joebrave

September 29, 2007 12:27 AM | Link to this

Well lookie what we have here……The Mutts and all that money can’t buy a win.!! Man I’m lovin this!!!Now maybe you stoopid morons from Qweens,will Stfup!!!Your gettig Just what you B@stards deserve NOTING hahahahahahaha!!!!

By The Grinch

September 29, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this

Que Pasa, b%$#@es? I am ROLLIN’ tonight. How bout them Mets? Hee-hee! I love it.

Jimmy Smith, good recipe but not quite enough salt. Y’all must have grown up with a refrigerator.

Tyyosh, please don’t feed the animals.

My two cents:

Hampton is a stud and a gamer, albeit an unlucky one. He’ll surprise those of you who haven’t watched him pitch. I’d take him in my foxhole any day (no gay innuendo, please).

I love Andruw, despite everything. He should be a HOF’er no matter what happens after this season, and we should be proud to have watched him wearing the tomahawk while playing perhaps the greatest center field that’s ever been played. He hasn’t always been a s^&%%y hitter either; he’s carried this team to some majestic levels in the past with his bat. With a stern manager who was interested in getting the best out of his players, he might have been something other than the 30-year-old human equivilant of an out of shape champion coon hound that sits around in an air-conditioned trailer and eats bon-bons because his owner doesn’t have better sense. Let’s salute him and wish him luck, because this is going to be one of those divorces where nobody’s gonna be happy but f-ing Boras.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

No way they give up Lincecum. NO way.

And Cain just finished the first year of a very reasonable four-year, $9 mill contract that includes a vesting option for 2011. That’s not a guy you give up. Despite his 16 losses this season, he pitched well. very well.

Just look at his day-by-days. Unbelievable. He’s lost his last three starts while allowing one hit and one run in six innings (a 6-0 loss), two runs in six inings (4-2 loss), and two runs in seven innings (6-4 loss). That’s absurd.

He’s got a 3.65 ERA, 1.26 WHIP … and 7-16 record. Ridiculous.

No way you trade him or Lincecum. You build around them.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this

A-ville In case you are still hanging around, when you post on a blog, you open up yourself to be criticized by any and all who might disagree. Get over it.

Don’t be surprised when you make statements about players and somebody else defends the counter point, especially when your points are so frickin stupid to start with!

By joebrave

September 29, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this

As for the AJ saga good riddance,Earn your money,don’t back up to the boss to get your paycheck,and Take Scott Bwhoreass with you AJ,now how can we get Carl Crawford for CF??????????

By jbutler

September 29, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

Hey Coach…I’m w/you on the Rox. I’ve always loved the Braves- but can’t help but have a spot in my heart for the Mile Hi version of the Bad News Bears. This town is so sports crazy they had a parade for the team before they even played!!! I was at the very first baseball game played in Mile Hi Stadium- I even saw Maddux pitch there..the Rox were terrible, but 70,000 fans showed up. Finally- they matter..just to drop it at the doorstep. So- I’m actually turning my hopes to the Cubbies to win it all. Better them than anyone else left.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this

Gil, hey, it’s still ‘ball, and the Braves are a good bunch to deal with during times like this. Tonight’s game was a fun one to watch, I thought. Atmosphere here was great, sellout crowd for Biggio and all. And seeing Devine get out of that bases-loaded jam, in the place where he gave up the bomb to Burke to end the 2005 division series, that was good stuff.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 12:39 AM | Link to this

SJA Long time, no converse!

It is unfair to be asked to chose between SO many danged good sandwiches.

BBQ (of any sort!) is great. Your fried bologna is also a winner. On my 50th birthday a few years ago, I had a bologna/cheese/tomato/mayo sandwich, and watched the Braves on TBS! It was an awesome birthday.

I am a big fan of pimento cheese, and a philly cheesesteak is also a winner.

One that drives my family crazy is a peanut butter, banana, and mayo sandwich. PB on one side, mayo on the other, and the banana sliced long ways and thrown in the middle.

Makin’ me hungry…..

Meatloaf and cheese with mayo is also another winner!

Um, um, um!

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 12:39 AM | Link to this

Scribe, Bowman beat me out of the stadium. He was headed straight for the bar. He’s miserable. His Mountain Folk got beat again by the South Floridians who are actually from Central Florida (Tampa is not in any way South Florida).

JJS, my latest cheese sandwich: Soudough grilled panini with jalapeno jack and swiss. The best.

By joebrave

September 29, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

What do the Braves get for Christmas? More pitcing what do the Mutts get NOTHING but a front row seat in the Clubouse to watc the playoffs,Enjoy the circle jerk Boys!!!!

By The Grinch

September 29, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this

Boar’s Head cajun roast beef and aged provalone on rye with mayonnaise; that’s been the Grinch’s chief sandwich of the last couple of weeks. Goes very well with a Sam Adams or 12.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this

DOB As much as I would love to see one of those Giant stud pitchers in the Braves uni, you are right. We gotta trust JS to find a diamond in the rough somewhere.

McGowan or Marcum?

As much as many want it, I personally hope it’s not Glavine. To me that would be going backwards.

By joebrave

September 29, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

Now to sammiches my fave is a Mayo and mater sammich,YumYum!!!!

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 12:56 AM | Link to this

I lived in Houston from 1992 through 1995. Used to take my 3 boys and as many of the neighborhood kids as we could cram in the Chevy Van to the Astrodome. My company had a box that was free to me, if not being used. For $25 bucks, I would get a huge order of popcorn and kill 3 birds with one stone: I got to watch the game, we all got to get a reprieve from the oppressive Houston heat, and the kids got to run wild in the large box for 2 plus hours without moms telling them to “stop this” and “stop that”.

Those were the days. They had the Killer B’s back then. Bagwell, Biggio, and I can’t remember the other “B”???

By dan

September 29, 2007 1:11 AM | Link to this

DOB, of course there’s good news for the future. It’s simple why the Braves didn’t make it this year: Andruw Jones.

Sure, we had some serious pitching problems. But because the races in the NL are so close, the factor for the Braves was Andruw Jones’ horrible season.

If we recall, Jones struck out more than he brought in runs. If Andruw Jones just had 30 more RBIs when it counted, the Braves would have easily won the wildcard. Easily.

He is the sole reason we couldn’t do it. And I am glad he will be gone at the end of the year.

His agent is a dolt. If you have your blip season in a contract year, you deserve to be traded or dropped. Andruw Jones picked the worst time to screw it up. And he really screwed it up.

Adios Andruw. Enjoy your 15 million a year in Washington DC.

By uga-brave

September 29, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this

DOB,

last weekend of the blog, thank you, thank you, got turned on around june 20th. i know i have been the most critical person of #7 ONLY because i think he should be better. the guy at some point will figure it all out. gonna be a great player if he tweaks that swing some.

never seen a great hitter that swings off his front foot. at some point he will quiet those hands and stay back on his right side. for now he has that long aluminum bat swing.

DOB, he reminds me of JERMAINE DYE, long swing with many holes.

i really believe this guy has never failed before, and i expect he will eventually put it all together.

sorry i was critical of you francoeur but i thought you were going to be a first name kinda guy.

By A-ville Ranger

September 29, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this

Wayne——This is the only forum I know of where punks like you can pretend they have balls without having their a* handed to them.I don’t post anything I wouldn’t say in person.I’d bet anything you’re a gutless pretender.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 1:34 AM | Link to this

A-ville Yes, you are right, that pretenders are abundant where they are never seen for what they really are. You sound so brave!

I am really impressed when people talk about handing me my a$$. That’s the kind of juvenile crap that we talked back 40 years ago in school.

DOB has ripped on me a time or two when he disagreed with my posts. You defend your point, and move on. OR, in your case, you get real stupid and show others just how stupid you can get.

I have a list of 4 posters to this blog who I have identified as truly ignorant. Welcome to the club! Maybe you 4 could get together sometime and “whip each others a*******e$” for old times sake!

I will check back in tomorrow morning to see what kind of juvenile response you can come up with. Please be creative, as I will look forward to you forging new ground!!!

By uga-brave

September 29, 2007 1:36 AM | Link to this

grinch, good post, i am and always will be a huge ANDRUW fan he has earned it.

the guy had a bad year, no doubt. so did HOSS when he hit .248 IN 04. andruw is somewhat of an enigma, his lassiez faire attitude p** a lot of people off. thats just his style, he busts his butt 160 a year and he averaged 45 and 129 in 05 and 06. we would not of sniffed the playoffs in 05 without him.

i FOR ONE SALUTE HIM AND WILL MISS HIM.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this

uga-brave: Check out Hank Aaron’s swing. Front foot guy. Different swing, all in the wrists, but a front foot guy.

By The Grinch

September 29, 2007 1:40 AM | Link to this

Wayne, your company had a box that was free to you? Love that kind of perk. This didn’t bother your wife, though? :-) Yes, my mind ALWAYS works that way.

Goin’ through YouTube tonight; there was an awful lot of good music in the 60’s and 70’s. But most of you probably knew that, except DOB. :-P

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

Grinch: I should have expected such! Gotta delineate better next time, huh.

You are right about the 60’s and 70’s music. I loved it all (well, almost all). From Al Green to The Moody Blues to The Eagles….and many many more.

Just had some “Badfinger” going through my head earlier tonight.

:-)

By A-ville Ranger

September 29, 2007 1:54 AM | Link to this

Yes it’s true Wayne if somebody came up to me and called me stupid and the other trash you posted,not because I’d made a personal comment about them or for that matter about one of their heros and alter egos but just for something silly like whether I’d deal with an agent.I would slap that person in the face.Thing is I’ve never had to do that because I don’t hang around with punks and MEN don’t act like that.You’re a punk on this forum.I don’t know you in real life but just calling people silly names for no good reason is what a punk does.

By uga-brave

September 29, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this

DOB,

YOU MUSIC FAN, list of bands i saw at the 40 watt in athens in the 80’s

jason and the scorchers, the church, smithereens, indigo girls with stipe and mills very cool. love tractor, drivin n cryin, dreams so real, modern english, plimsouls, 10,000 maniacs i loved natalie merchant, and my favorite the REPLACEMENTS.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this

BTW, I didn’t get a chance to tell you what a handsome cuss you are, after seeing some of those ballpark shots!

By uga-brave

September 29, 2007 2:06 AM | Link to this

GRINCH,

saw the doobie bros and frampton about a month ago at CHASTAIN PARK great show old man.

as for you WAYNE IN UTAH gotta hunch you are a gentleman. though i do miss BRAVE-DAVE, you guys went at it pretty good.

By uga-brave

September 29, 2007 2:12 AM | Link to this

wayne,

my little brother went to MARIST with matt harpring, great guy i hope you like him utah.

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 29, 2007 2:30 AM | Link to this

Shaun,

Man, how in the world can you try to talk up Cameron??? The guy will be 35 come next year. He can’t hit a decent fastball anymore, many a hole in his swing. And you keep acting like a nice big ballpark makes it harder to hit, how again does that happen? Do the Padres and their opponents have an extra fielder out there? No? I know the Cardinals used to play on astroturf, but old Busch stadium, before they moved the fences in, would make Petco park look like a bandbox. Yet, year after year they had several guys hit over .300. Not all speed merchants either. Ted Simmons hit over .300 6 times for the red birds(And he was a catcher!)

Cameron is hitting .254 on the road this year. wooppeef**kingdoo!!! Ok, only .229 at home, but he has 10 HR’s, and 42 RBI’s at home, 11 HR’s and 36 RBI’s on the road. Cameron in 153 AB’s is hitting .294 against lefties, and in 418 ab’s against righties, he is hitting .222. Yep, just the guy to replace Andruw. Listen to his seasonal BA’s for his career. .259, .210, .256, .267, ,267, .239, .253, .231, .273, .268, and this years .242. Surely ANYONE we have could hit his .251 right??? Why waste the money that could be spent on starting pitching???

The ONLY stats I see in his favor is his .275 BA with RISP, and .295 with RISP, and 2 outs.

Want to see some weird stats? in 150 AB batting 3rd, he is hitting .180. Batting 4th, in 154 AB, he is hitting .292!!!! In April, he hit .192, May .288, June , .323, July , .191, August, .283, and September, only .139!!!

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 2:42 AM | Link to this

uga-brave, that’s a great list, and glad to see you give props to the mighty, mighty Replacements. If you saw them on a night when they weren’t falling down, sloppy drunk, they were incredible live. I saw them three or four times, a couple of times when they remembered all the lyrics and really roared.

My roommate in college gave Jason (from the Scorchers) a ride across campus at KU one day when they played Lawrence. They put on a great show that night.

Saw the Smithereens at some kind of fairgrounds at West Palm Beach one time, about 1990, can’t remember many details at all.

Would’ve loved to have seen the Plimsouls. Peter Case is the man, and his latest CD is great, by the way. But not as good as “Million Miles Away” and all that stuff. Killer tunes.

Saw Natalie Merchant with 10,000 Maniacs when their first album came out and they opened for REM in Kansas City, about 1984.

Saw Drivin’ and Cryin’ for the first time at a dive on Fort Lauderdale Beach that used to be a spring break hotspot. long since been torn down. Also saw Warren Zevon there in about 1990.

Saw REM about eight or nine times, first in Lawrence on campus in early 1983, then all over the country in the next couple decades, including once at the Forum in L.A., with the Lakers championship banners hanging in the rafters high over the stage. Surreal.

One show you didn’t mention, wondering if you ever saw Husker Du live? Absolutely ear-splitting power, awesome performance. Matt Dylan slam-danced with my buddy and me at that show; he was in Lawrence filming an awful movie “Kansas” (he really was, look it up).

By The Grinch

September 29, 2007 2:45 AM | Link to this

Wayne, if you can’t get any action with Al Green playin’ in the background, you just don’t know what you’re doin’. Great stuff.

UGA-Brave, that sounds like it would’ve been a hell of a show. Does Frampton still have it? And while we’re at it…HOW ‘BOUT THEM DAWGS? WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF! Glory days are on their way back; if not this year then by god the next. Richt, Stafford, and Moreno will lead us to the promised land. We can all only hope Munson’s around to call it for us.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 2:54 AM | Link to this

Wayne, they still have some Killer B’s — Berkman, Biggio, and I think they include Burke. Anyway, tonight they played the very loud bee-swarm sound effects when Biggio came to bat with two on against Devine, the sound effects they played to death in the postseason couple years ago, complete with the bee graphics swarming across the jumbotron.

It’s a cool park. Left field’s a joke it’s so short, but otherwise I love Minute Maid Park. They had it open tonight, and you can hardly tell it’s a retractable dome when it’s open. The whole left side is glass and you get all that natural light through that, whether roof’s open or closed.

By the way, at the ballpark tonight I had a “Texas-sized baked potato” covered with beef brisket and cheese, purchased at one of the the rich-folks’ club-level concessions. Delicious.

By Serbok

September 29, 2007 3:13 AM | Link to this

Wanna see cool music video? youtube Jethro tull and watch anything in early 70’s Ian Anderson was truely a minstrel in the gallery!

By uga-brave

September 29, 2007 3:57 AM | Link to this

dob,

never saw husker du, but i am very familiar with their music. could not go anywhere in athens without seeing a poster of theirs on a telephone pole. another great band for me was the whoo doo gooros, dont think i spelled that right, but MARS NEEDS GUITARS was a great album.

was real lucky to be in athens when music was incubating.

By uga-brave

September 29, 2007 4:04 AM | Link to this

serbok, count choppla are you still there those muts are about to fall all the way out of the playoffs.

By Serbok

September 29, 2007 4:06 AM | Link to this

Last post~ last year I didnt check in with with DOB’s blog during off season~ I have Really enjoyed the blog. SO much this year DOB That I will be checkin it out over the “Off Season* DOB Thank You For the great work you did this season. R.I.P Hughey Thomasson:o(

By Serbok

September 29, 2007 4:12 AM | Link to this

uga-brave Aint it beautiful? LOL

By The Grinch

September 29, 2007 4:17 AM | Link to this

DOB, the more you talk about that kind of music, the more you remind me of the kind of guy I used to stuff in a locker. You’re still my boy, though. :-)

G’night, all.

By uga-brave

September 29, 2007 4:19 AM | Link to this

night night serbok, if we were muts fans we all should look out for them razor blades.

By Serbok

September 29, 2007 4:23 AM | Link to this

uga-brave We had a good year tho? The Bravo’s are positioned well? We lose AJ:o( But we really only lose a world class CF His hitting is easily replaced of course~ I think we need to NOT sign Cameron!!!! Hate to move Frenchy to CF but it makes sense? I realize you have issues with Frenchy~ I still cant understand that dude? I have more of an issue with B-Mac! His Defense SUX! If it werent for Tex and the timeline on Salty, I would MUCH rather have Salty than B-Mac. However~ lol, I’m glad we have TEX:o) Cept for that Boras guy:o( I hate to see AJ in another uniform~ but he has Boras:o( Cant Blame the guy tho~ WE would all do the same! A person would have to be stupid not to get as much $ as one can get in life? Glavines another story? LOL

By Bravo Nam

September 29, 2007 5:13 AM | Link to this

Huge reason to celebrate

One thing that has received absolutely no attention at all: the Yankees division runs have come to an end…and so too the last realistic chance any team will have of equalling or passing the Braves record in consecutive division championships…congrats Bravos!

Mudge

Enjoyed reading your comments.

By Bob, Journalist

September 29, 2007 5:43 AM | Link to this

Hey, stats say Braves are in good shape … on a purely statistical basis, they are one of the best three teams in the NL. I don’t know all that much about “purely statistical bases” but methinks it depends on the stats at which you look.

Boras’ propaganda may or may not represent reality … and since it is directionally consistent with what which we would expect regardless of the situation, why should it carry any weight? Scott will attempt to get all he can … it’ll be interesting to see how much that turns out to be.

By Bob, Journalist

September 29, 2007 5:56 AM | Link to this

‘tis easier to communicate with valid email addresses …

By ncscoots

September 29, 2007 6:52 AM | Link to this

Wayne, a final note re Randy Winn…no chance of getting Cain or Lincecum, as others have stated, and moving Winn to shed salary would seem to mitigate against replacing that salary with Edgar’s. No, we’ll have to come up with a more creative package for Schuerholz to read, LOL.

Now, I’m gonna stop talking about Winn, before folks think he’s become my own personal Ryan Freel/Chone Figgins/Carl Crawford. :-)

By doc

September 29, 2007 7:43 AM | Link to this

jjs you seem to have learned so much about food prep, kind of reminds me of a friend i once knew that could make up a serious pie and let the whole world know of his special secrets.

still bewildered to see a team strutting its stuff at 12 games over .500 in may not in the playoffs and waited four months to get a four game winning streak. got to look to desire, fundamentals and heart as much as starting pitching as the cause. some of it may be youth or inexperience, but that will have to be shown next year as it begins all oever again. can the baby braves continue to grow? stay tuned as we get to read about it soon in the off season.

By randy winn

September 29, 2007 7:50 AM | Link to this

love you too scoots:O>

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

May I place muffulettas in the sandwich mix? I have to make my own bread ‘cause you can’t find good round Italian loaves in this area. And it takes a little time to make the olive dressing but it keeps forever. Washed down with a good root beer—yum, yum!

By BravesFanInRockies

September 29, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

Mornin’ denizens from Sadville, otherwise known as the Denver ‘burbs.

Looks like the Rox ran out of magic, too. But back to more cheerful thoughts, meaning next year.

Consider: The Braves have two aces, a lights-out closer, too many middle infielders, too many corner outfielders (if you consider Harris and/or B. Pena and B. Jones the backups next year), too many bullpen arms, and run producers at seven spots in the lineup. Except for Chipper and Smoltz and Hudson, they’re basically all kids.

What do they lack? An innings-eater in the middle of the rotation and a center fielder. They could conceivably fill these needs with current players (Hampton returns healthy, Franceour or Lillibridge (or KJ?) moves to center). But they can go outside the organization to address those needs. They don’t have to expect internal gambles to pay off.

My jaw would literally hit the floor if they stand pat — you have to get some value for Edgar and you can’t not let KJ and Escobar play every day. But they have few holes to fill, unlike every other team in the NL. I like their chances.

Scoots,

Your 11:18 p.m. Right on. I like Winn as a stopgap CF/fourth OF if B. Jones is ready to play. Try to get him for Edgar? Hmmm.

As for FA pitchers? Glavine and Lohse seem to be the popular choices. Either one would fill the need for a guy who can make a lot of starts and soak up a lot of innings. An insurance policy if Hampton breaks our hearts again. And if he doesn’t, then you’ve got a dang deep rotation with Chucky as your fifth starter and folks like JoJo (and perhaps Jeff Bennett) in the wings. Cool.

By Voice of Reason

September 29, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Serbok, you Buccaneer Bruce lovin’ fanatic. Nothing makes sense about Frenchy in center. He’s of average speed with average instincts and a great arm. That guy belongs where he is. Are you not watching the games? If you were paying attention, you see the awkwardness when he retreats on balls.

By ssiscribe

September 29, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Top of the morning, denizens. Here’s your stat of the day, courtesy of ESPN Sportscenter:

The METS are the FIRST TEAM ever to be in first place on Sept. 12, and fall out of first place before the end of the season.

Gotta love it. Let’s go Phillies!

Cubs are in. So, too, are the D’Backs and the Padres, though one will win the West and one will win the wild card. Today’s the day the Phils punch their ticket.

Wow, I still can’t believe what’s happened to the Mets. Do you guys realize, for all the crap the Mets trolls talked about their team and how superior they were over the Braves, that the Mets could finish just one tiny game ahead of the Braves when all’s said and done?

Wow, what a historic fall for the boys from Flushing.

OK, time to run. Enjoy your weekend. Go Dogs! The Scribe abides.

—30—

By BravesFanInRockies

September 29, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

VOR,

Moving Frenchy would not be my first choice, but he did play CF in high school and in the minors. He’s not the instinctive OF Andruw is — he never will be — but don’t rule him out entirely.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

It still astounds me that a number of people who are not institutionalized continue to say “put Frenchy in center”. In the first place, you do not “put” someone in center unless that person is a damn good centerfielder. And, while Frenchy is a good right fielder, he would be a disaster in center. When Andruw walks—and he will—there will be no one on the Braves roster that can be successfully “put” in center. They are going to have to sign someone. Deal with it!

By journalist jimmy smith

September 29, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

all this sandwich talk is refreshing. civility returns to the blog. jimmy smith was impressed by the banana sandwich with peanut butter and mayo - for that is how this journalist prefers this journalist’s banana sandwich. add some fritos and a cold glass of milk. mmm…. and now to other sandwiches of note … ham and swiss on rye with a touch of thousand island dressing. lightly grilled and served with a pickle spear and chips … and the old favorite, bacon, lettuce, and tomato. hard to decide a favorite sandwich but we must try. and andruw … a few sandwiches too many if you ask this journalist. andruw has been such an exciting player for this team that andruw will be missed - but the andruw of the past season and half will not be missed by jimmy smith. that andruw appeared indifferent and uncoachable. where did all the innocence go?

By Voice of Reason

September 29, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

If you look at our division, there are 3 great Leadoff hitters in our division: Rollins, Reyes, and Ramirez. Here are some stats for you to compare with KJ.

BB% per PA

KJ-13%

Rollins-6%

Reyes-10%

Ramirez-8%

Great numbers for KJ, right? Then look deeper.

SO% per PA

KJ - 19%

Rollins- 11%

Reyes- 10%

Ramirez- 13%

Even deeper………

SB% per PA

KJ - 2%

Rollins - 5%

Reyes - 10%

Ramirez- 8%

And even this….

Hit% per PA

KJ - 24%

Rollins - 28%

Reyes - 25%

Ramirez - 31%

If you lined them all up with 692 plate appearances, heres what their numbers would be…

Name BB SO H SB

KJo 91135 16610

JRo 44 78 191 35

JRe 72 71 176 73

HRa 52 93 213 52

Offensively speaking, these guys get on base and cause major disruption to opposing pitching staffs, allowing trailing hitters to see better pitching. I don’t think KJ is of this ilk. Strikeouts are way too high, SBs are way too low. When you factor in the defensive liability, you have to conclude that he cannot be the leadoff hitter who plays 2nd base and hope to compete with our division rivals.

By Bring me VOR's Head

September 29, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

You’ve been looking in Shaun’s books, right?

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

I’m crushed! My muffuletta didn’t even get honorable mention from jjs. Well, here is another one. Meatloaf on sourdough bread w/mayo and brown mustard. Washed down with the root, or real beer of your choice. If you don’t like that you “ain’t from ‘round here”!

By Sarah

September 29, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

i think it’s retarted that they’re probably not going to re-sign Andruw. he’s the best center fielder that there’s been in Atlanta, and in most of the NL. he’s has a poor season, so what. i’m sure Atlanta could re-sign Andruw and Teixeira if we really wanted to, so why don’t we? doesn’t anyone think we’re go further than this year if we have Andruw & Teixiera and all of the others that are going to be there, plus a stronger bullpen? i believe we will. but only if we have Andruw back, i mean, not all rookies are “good” when they first make the MLB debut, and you want to get rid of the best center fielder out there? then, you’ve got some issues.

By Voice of Reason

September 29, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

I’ve forgotten more baseball than Shaun will ever know.

Shaun is a machine who is unable to produce a thought of his own. He is the regurgitator of quasi-factoids produced by the minds of real humans. When the stats don’t line up like he wants them, he just throws in the random chance variable and all is neutralized. Geez, what a putz!!

By David-ATL14

September 29, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Should be an interesting offseason, Minor adjustments, Look in to signing Glavine. Package either Rent/KJ with James to acquire another pitcher. Look at some CF options, and no Francoeur isn’t one.

On another note Shaun the blog quit listening to you around December 06, when you assured us all that JS was a stupid SOB for letting Giles go. You told anyone who would listen ad nauseaum, that Giles would bounce back and be a top 5 2b.

How’s that working out?

KJ while better than Giles is not an elite 2b. Nowhere close. Just in the NL Utley,Phillips,Hudson are far better. Several others are his equal.

Just to recount, all your cred went out the door on your “can’t be more wrong” evaluations of Giles.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason, you just compared KJ to arguably the three best leadoff men in the National League, if not in all of baseball.

So if he’s not in the top five leadoff men in all of baseball, does that mean it’s a problem area? When you’ve got real issues to solve at areas such as the back of the rotation and the bench (what to do with Escobar/Renteria, etc., you really put Kelly at or near the top of the problem areas?

Personally, I think Escobar would be a very solid leadoff guy despite the lack of SBs or stolen bases, but I also like Kelly in the role. Kelly’s hit how many more homers, how many more extra-base hits per at-bat?

Again, you compared Kelly to three sensational leadoff guys who all happen to be in the division. If he’s not one of the top three or five leadoff men in baseball, I don’t think that means he isn’t a quality leadoff man. Not ideally suited to the role, but does have some talents well suited to it, including patience (sees a LOT of pitches, which guys behind him love) and good power/speed (look at the extra-base hits, the hustle on triples, etc).

Now, that backhand … that needs work. If they traded him and made Escobar th 2B next year, couldn’t blame them. I’d only trade Edgar if you could get a really strong pitcher in the deal.

By Saychuck

September 29, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Braves problems are not the players it starts in the corner “Bobby Cox” and moves to the rail “Terry Pendelton” We need those two replaced. Our hitting in the clutch is terriable. Our winning close games is terriable. Don’t blame the close losses on the players put the blame where it belongs.

By Lew

September 29, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Paladin-Old Fart, Sir-I’m not institutionalized and I think they should move Francoeur to center (unless we really DO have much more payroll and then I’d go for Rowand). The guy has played there many times in the past. He has good range and a great arm. Now no one is going to be Andruw and it’s just time y’all got that thought through your heads. It’s going to be a fact of life. There is no other best with which to replace the best-QED.

I would have Diaz and Brandon Jones platoon in left. I would move KJ to right and keep Edgar at short and put Yunel at second. Keep Prado/Lillibridge and Brayan Pena for the bench. I would then try to pick up one more veteran utility guy for the bench and address the starting pitching.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

In 2008, I hope the Braves have the following lineup: Yunel Escobar, Edgar Renteria, Chipper Jones, Tex, Frenchy, Brian McCann, Kelly Johnson, Matt Diaz.

Diaz would play left, Frenchy in center, KJ in right, Escobar at second.

If you look at the stats this year, here’s how they would rank:

C - McCann - .772 OPS, 5th in OPS in the majors for catchers, 2nd in the NL.

1B - Tex - .965 OPS, 6th in OPS in the majors for first baseman, 4th in the NL.

2B - Yunel - .848 OPS, 5th in OPS in the majors for second baggers, 3rd in the NL.

SS - Edgar - .860 OPS, 3rd in OPS in the majors for shortstops, 3rd in the NL.

3B - Chipper - 1.036 OPS, 2nd in OPS in majors for third baseman, 1st in the NL.

LF - Diaz - .869 OPS, 7th in OPS in the majors for left fielders, 6th in the NL.

CF - Frenchy - .780 OPS, 11th in OPS in the majors for centerfielders, 5th in the NL.

RF - KJ - .833 OPS, 11th in OPS in the majors for rightfielders, 5th in the NL.

I would really try that next season. Frenchy is the 19th ranked rightfielder in the majors this year but he would be the the 11th ranked centerfielder. Andruw is the 19th ranked centerfielder in the majors this year. Frenchy therefore would improve that by 8 positions. KJ would be the 11th ranked rightfielder which is 8 spots higher than Frenchy is this year in right.

You would be greatly improving your offensive production out of right field and centerfield. You would not be losing much of anything offensively with Yunel at second while improving your defense at second.

Diaz has become a better leftfielder. KJ has never played right and was not great in left so that could be a problem. Frenchy is awkward and is not going to be a ballerina out there in center. But he does have good speed. Let’s not forget this was a football player who could run a 4.4, 4.5 40 yard dash. Would you like a 4.2, 4.3 guy roaming center? Yeah, don’t we all. Unfortunately, there are not many around who can actually hit too.

We have been spoiled for a decade watching the Ozzie Smith of centerfielders. Anyone who plays center next season and for the next 50, 100 seasons for the Atlanta Braves will never be as good as Andruw Jones was/is defensively. And even if they are, they will not give us the power and run production Druw gave along with his once in a generation defensive prowess roaming center.

Rowand is not GQ Smooth out there in center. Never will be. Frenchy would probably be comparable out there. Frenchy and Rowand both play center like safeties. Andruw played it like a cover corner. Frenchy will play alot deeper than Andruw so balls don’t go over his head. More balls will land in front of him than Andruw as well because he plays deeper. Carlos Beltran plays deep as well.

Go look at centerfielders across the majors. There are no longer many defensive aces out there. And not many guys who cover good ground who have consistent offensive talent. Bernie Williams played center and won some bogus Gold Gloves and he often looked like the Statue of Liberty with balls flying over his head and balls dropping in front of him. And Bernie had a weak arm. But Bernie was decent enough defensively and much more than decent offensively for center. Dale Murphy was good defensively in center but wasn’t Andruw Jones light years better out there defensively? Did it matter really because of what Dale could provide offensively from that position.

Frenchy is awkward in right quite often. His footwork always seems kind of funny on ground balls and such. He attacks flyballs and liners too hard sometimes. His footwork when catching flyballs and setting up his throws seems wrong sometimes.

But I think maybe in center, this would be different. Maybe he is more of a natural centerfielder. Maybe rightfield is unnatural for Frenchy in judging balls. In center, he could attack balls more which seems to be his natural tendency.

If you have ever seen Frenchy play defense in football like I have in that season where he intercepted 14 passes, he might be a guy who needs to play center so he can see the whole field and the whole play. His instincts might be more like that. Why anyone would throw passes near a guy with that many interceptions in a football season at a high school level where they don’t pass much is beyond me. But why people keep choosing to run on a guy who cuts down runners all over the place is beyond me as well. But if you ever saw him intercept a pass or catch a touchdown pass, it seemed like he would read what was in front of him and then explode to where the ball was going to be leaving the rest of the players who could not see what he saw looking like they were moving in slo-mo.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Grinch, if you’ve actually heard bands like Husker Du and Replacements and don’t like ‘em, well, I don’t think you appreciate the true rebellious, angry spirit of rock and punk rock. You’d rather hear those technically perfect but soul-less bands who don’t say much of anything to stir the spirit, make you think or feel, or incite a riot.

Hey, different strokes.

As for stuffing in a locker … c’mon man. You’re better than that. Plus, I’ve met you. You ain’t stuffing me in a locker.

Besides, you know what most folks who stuffed dudes in lockers 20 years ago are doing today? Serving as middle managers for those guys’ companies … or maybe doing their taxes for them, or handling their insurance.

That, or buying their records, paying to see movies they make, watching their TV shows, etc.

(Just busting your chops, bro. We can do that to each other.)

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Lew If I agree with you about Frenchy will you award me a wurlitzer? :>)

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

JJS, this is not going to go down on your great sandwich list but when I was in college I drank up all of my money one semester. With two weeks left in the semester all I had left were two loaves of bread, a bottle of chocolate syrup, two bottles of ketchup, a bottle of A1 steak sauce, and a bottle of mustard. I was too proud/ashamed to call my parents and tell them I was out of money. So, one day I would eat a chocolate syrup sandwich. The next day an A1 steak sauce sandwich. The next day, a ketchup sandwich. Completely disgusting. But college is college and you gotta make do to get your degree and get the hell outta there.

By Efrim

September 29, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Lew

Dude, you are the man, but you have to stop with the Frenchy to CF posts. I just don’t think they are going to do it. To be honest, I am glad they aren’t. I want Frenchy to stay in RF and have every runner that tries to go 1st to 3rd thinking of that cannon out in RF. He is an asset in RF, not so much in CF. If the Braves have to put him in CF next year, then JS didn’t do his job this winter. I do agree with you on LF. Diaz and Brandon Jones should platoon next year, and Prado and Lillibridge should both be on the roster.

DOB

Don’t get me wrong, I know Kelly isn’t Orlando Hudson in the field, but the kid can hit. He has 78 walks. I think you can add both of Frenchy and Heap’s walk totals and they still won’t reach Kelly’s. A young hitter that has patience like that is only going to get better. I see 100 walks and 25 home runs in his future. So he isn’t a great 2nd baseman. Jeff Kent ain’t going to the Hall of Fame for his glove.

By Lew

September 29, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Sarah-Your defense of Andruw is a wonderful thing. Loyalty is too often missing in these days of “What have you done for me lately”. However……

His agent is speaking of salaries in the $18-20 million (or more) per year range for many years, even despite his horrendous offensive season. He has definitely lost a step. He can no longer beat out a close infield play-when he even tries. He is not getting to as many balls in center as before. Yes, he still makes incredible plays-of that there is no doubt-but not as many as in the past, because he ain’t getting to some of them anymore (happened against Rollins leading off just the other night, as a matter of fact). He has been in a hitting slump since mid 2006 (DOB has posted the stats on several occasions). His power numbers dropped radically this year and even though he still had what were called “decent” power numbers, he still dropped off by about 15HR and 30RBI. That is certainly substantial. With a typical Andruw season (.260 BA) and the runners the Braves had on in front of him, especially early in the year when he was hitting fourth, he should have ended up with over 140 RBI-and that’s a conservative estimate.

He has steadfastly refused to take a somewhat different approach to his hitting. He has proven that when he goes to right and right center, he still has power, yet, despite the fact that going to right would negate most pitchers’ strategy against him, he steadfastly refuses to do so. He is completely at the mercy of pitchers who pitch outside, despite hanging over the plate, making him vulnerable inside. He can no longer throw runners out-maybe because of injuries, but he’s still not throwing out runners- and that’s the bottom line.

I’m sorry, Sarah, no matter how much we’ve all enjoyed seeing him play all these years, he just is no longer worth anything close to what Boras is asking. We don’t have that kind of money, even with a significant boost in payroll. He keeps saying the Braves can re-sign him if they want and then Boras tosses out numbers he knows the Braves can’t and won’t pay. If he really wanted to play in Atlanta, he would tell Boras to get lost and do what he wants-just like he did last time (and No, I don’t agree with the Grinch’s assessment that if he did, the Player’s Assn. would break his legs, or knee cap him). Sorry, he’s got to go. He’s had his run in Atlanta. His skills are declining, he’s headstrong and not amenable to coaching, he’s not willing to make adjustments or take time off to heal. It’s time for him to seek employment elsewhere, We never went to the promised land with him, anyway. He obviously was not the answer then and isn’t now or for the future.

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Hot stove cold-cut league (mayo clinic on side)

The esteemed Journalist Jimmy has started a sandwich board, to determine the blog’s favorite sandwich. Yes, sandwich talk goes hand in hand with ushering in the fall and may provide nutrition for all of the hot stove action. Could the Notorious DOB/MIB/Music/BBQ Blogsoon have another food to add to the blog banner? Would another sandwich possibly knock BBQ out of the running? Heavens no…BBQ must stay. But another sandwich may be added. We have everyday sandwiches and fancy sandwiches.

So many sandwiches to choose from…how will it be decided? Will Jimmy decide? Will he choose a sandwich committee? Will there be a Wurlitzer sandwich? Seems Jimmy has chosen many of my personal favorites…peanut butter, mayo and banana (an old fave of mine too). Jimmy also threw in ham and swiss on rye with a touch of Thousand Island dressing and the BLT.

I’ve offered up a few: cheeseburger, NC BBQ, fish taco (is that a Mexican sandwich?), good ol’ PB&J’s and such. After reading the denizen entries, my mouth is watering. As I salivate my vote vacillates. One choice…hmm, tough. Ok then…I’ll go with a big fat, hickory smoked, grilled cheeseburger with a thick slab of Vidalia onion, a big slice of a vine ripened tomato, lettuce, mayo and mustard, lots of pepper and salt, thick sliced sharp cheddar cheese on a grilled bun. On the side, BBQ baked beans and sour cream/green onion chips, diet Coke and chocolate milkshake. Mmm. My friend Mr. Fly made me vote cheeseburger.

Unless the esteemed Carolina Lady comes on here and throws in her pick, I’ll guess her favorite: NC style BBQ with vinegar slaw. Safe bet.

DOB is so spoiled and jaded from so many sandwich’s in so many cities and ballparks, but he’s offered up a latest choice in the cheese sandwich department: Sourdough grilled panini with jalapeno jack and swiss. Lew seems to pine for a pimento cheese sandwich, so rare in Vermont. He has been provided with a recipe. TheJackAss prefers a big ol’ fried bologna sandwich. Wayne likes BBQ (of any sort!), fried bologna, pimento cheese, Philly cheesesteak, Meatloaf and cheese and his birthday sandwich special, a bologna/cheese/tomato/mayo. So many sandwiches from Utah. Grinch voted for his current favorite, Boar’s Head Cajun roast beef and aged provolone on rye with mayonnaise. Joebrave has a fave: Mayo and mater sammich.

We haven’t heard from Julia lately, but I’d guess she would vote…you guessed it, shrimp sammich… even if they do make her tummy pooch. Paladin even makes his own muffulettas and olive dressing. Impressive, I’d say. Also adds Meatloaf on sourdough bread w/mayo and brown mustard. Mmm…noteworthy, yes. Braveheart has not yet chosen, but I’ll guess they he would not want to be a Paris and Brittany sandwich. Just guessing, mind you.

And who will be sandwiched between left and right field? Who will we sandwich between Smoltz and Huddy? Who will be sandwiched between second and third? So many sandwich questions…

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Braveheart Thank God you didn’t have any cleaning supplies.

By Voice of Reason

September 29, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Lew,

That can’t be you saying to put sloth footed, strong armed JF in center field, while putting the quicker footed, weaker armed KJ in right where runners will go 1st to 3rd all day long. 90% of the time, you make sense, but not on this one.

DOB,

Yes they are in our division and that is a hurdle we have to clear. Our inability to manufacture runs when the guys aren’t getting the breaks(that’s for Shaun)is , IMO, the biggest reason we are not going to the post season. We need that guy who 1) Doesn’t strike out alot, 2) Draws walks and 3) Steals bases. I’ll grant you that KJ does draw the walks, has speed from home to 3rd, has pop when he hits it. But he also doesn’t steal very well and strikes out alot. I would be OK with him in the OF and hitting down in the lineup. But the guy just doesn’t have it at 2nd.

By Lew

September 29, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Efrim-Like I said, if we really have all this money we’ve been talking about, I’d rather pick up Rowand on the free agent market. However, if it comes down to pitching OR center field, Frenchy goes to center and I spend the $$$$ for pitching. Sorry, but THAT is the only thing that makes sense, no matter what y’all may think. It will save us money, it will cover all the positions just fine and WE NEED THE PITCHING. Bottom line. Period. Like I’ve said-quit thinking you will replace Andruw. You can’t. You can find someone who will do well, but never replace AJ’s defense.

By Voice of Reason

September 29, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

Nice pipe dream you had there.

ringy..ding..ding

Wake up, you were dreaming. While you were asleep, the Israelis and Palestinians laid down their arms and decided to become allies. We now have world peace!!

Reading a quarterback and reading the ball off the bat are very different. The missing piece is the speed, on both offense and soon to be defense.

Efrim

Those 78 walks were accompanied by 116 strikeouts and 9 stolen bases.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Savannah, I’d take a Britney/Paris sandwich. Don’t know if the crabcake left over would be something to clap for though.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Voice of Reason, Jeff does not have great footwork - his agility is not great - but he is far from sloth footed.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

A Voice of Reason would not call Frenchy sloth footed. That is not a reasonable opinion whatsoever.

Frenchy is a lot like Bernie Williams. They are both fast but do not possess lots of agility. Hence, why neither can steal bases despite their speed. They are both straightahead sprinters.

By Efrim

September 29, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Voice of Reason

I could care less about the K’s or SB’s. 78 Walks for a 25 year old is remarkable.

Lew

Well 71 million is invested in Teixiera(12), C Jones(11), Renteria(6), Smoltz(14), Hampton(15), and Hudson(13).

We may very well trade Renteria, shedding 6 million. But all in all, I don’t see the Braves giving Aaron Rowand a 5 year contract worth 60 million. I expect him to get at least that much on the open market. I personally think he has San Diego Padre written all over him. The Phillies have already said they won’t go past 4 years and 32 million. I agree with them. He is a gamer and a great CF. But he is NOT a .900 OPS type hitter. He just isn’t. I say Mike Cameron for 2 years an 15 million. Lets wait till Jordan Schafer is ready.

By Elvis

September 29, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Yeah, I liked those peanut butter and ‘nana sammachies too. “Cookie” fried them in butter to make them really artery clogging. When they did my autopsy they found the right ventricle full of peanut butter; the left atrium full of ‘nanas; the left ventricle full of butter and the right atrium full of baloney. Hell, you have to eat health food sometime. Thank ya…thank ya vera much.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Braves aren’t looking to give a five-year contract to any center fielder, for one reason: They don’t have to. Jordan Schaffer is said to be that good, according to all scouts and team officials who’ve seen him. And why would you sign a big-ticket CF for five years if you’re pretty certain you’re gonna have a minimum-salaried, solid young player ready in a year or two to take over the position?

Gotta save cash where you can, and Braves need to spend in other areas.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy: It is cold and blustery here on the Wasatch front this morning, and seems like the perfect day for the perfect “cool weather” lunch: Bologna and chees dipped in creamy tomato soup. Like Campbell says, um, um, good!

By trois3

September 29, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

We don’t need a 3rd starter, we need an ace. Someone who won’t lose crucial games down the stretch against the Mets and Phillies like Smoltz and Hudson did this season.

By A-ville Ranger

September 29, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Scott Boras called DOB and they talked for 25 minutes.I posted that I’d as soon the Braves not deal with any Boras clients.DOB posted that my judgement is being severely impaired by my distaste for Boras.So why does Boras call DOB ? Why does DOB take the calls ? The answer is they both deem it beneficial.What pr is it Boras wants to spread through DOB ? Two things come to mind,one is overt,his position on a particular client.The other is conditioning fans to accept Boras’ approach of squeezing every dime he can through any means he can from teams.DOB has constantly advanced the idea that anybody who doesn’t get every nickle they can from a team is stupid.This has become such a prevailing opinion among DOBs regulars that they actually take exception to counter ideas on this and go on attack.So who benifits from this brain washing most ?I would think it would be the greediest of the greedy agents,the one who trains his clients to put the dollar above all else,that would be Mr Boras.Greg Maddux signed with the Braves for less than he could have received elsewhere.Mark Mcguire retired leaving big money on the table when he could no longer perform.Now this greedy,bottom line only slime ball has trained most everybody in the process like pet monkeys.I fully expect DOB to attack this as stupid and naive,after all it’s in his interest…isn’t it ?

By Lew

September 29, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

VOR-Apparently you didn’t see any of KJ’s relay throws this year. He shotgunned several runners out on relays. His arm is fine. He is completely recovered from his surgery and I’m not at all certain why you refer to him as weak armed. He has even gone on record with DOB stating that throwing from the outfield would be less strain on his arm than 2B. Just because he can’t throw a ball from the right field wall into the stands behind home plate like Frenchy has done at times (inadvertently), doesn’t qualify for “weak armed”. Sorry-you’re wrong here. As a matter of fact, some here want KJ in CENTER. What do you think of that one?

By Chop Chop

September 29, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Hmm…

I was watching the season premiere of “The Office” the other night. Fat dude Kevin was talking about a PB&J sandwich (Pam Beasley and Jim).

Savannah Guy, I’ll have a PB sammich.

By The Grinch

September 29, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Oh, god…somebody please kill me so I’ll feel better. For anyone wanting to drink Sweetwater’s new “Donkey Punch” hopped up ale…don’t.

DOB, I grew up listening to Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Dead Milkmen, Motorhead, Venom, etc. which was about as rebellious as you can get. Some rebel bands have good guitarists and some don’t; that’s where I decided to make my choice taste-wise. Sorry, but if I’ve got a choice to try and sound like Johnny Rotten from Sex Pistols or KK Downing from Judas Priest, it’s not much of a choice. Rotten takes about 5 minutes first time you pick one up; I’ve been playing for 20 years and still can’t keep up with Downing. Both hate their parents and corporate America; only one has talent. As you say, different strokes. As for the locker thing, I was just kidding. I missed you in High School by a good 8-10 years. :-)

Just bustin’ your chops, man; all in good fun. Besides, we have common ground in outlaw country; you can’t be ALL bad.

By Lew

September 29, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Efrim-You did see where Terry McGuirk said the other day that he and Liberty Media were not concerned with “the top number” on salary-that they would spend to get what they needed? We have an extremely young team, making very little on average. If we are boosted to $90-100 million, even for this year (salary will be shed in 09), we can afford Rowand. If not, Frenchy to center covers our problems and saves us money, allowing us to keep Edgar. Amen and Selah.

Time to go away for a while-to watch the Dawgs win-not because the blog is beginning to sound like a cheesy rendition of Cheeseburger in Paradise. Ugh-The Humanity. Later, y’all. Go eat-you’ll all feel better. Besides-mayo slathered all over anything is hardly desireable. I lnow DOB will back me up on this point.

By TennesseePaul

September 29, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Lew: He can no longer beat out a close infield play-when he even tries. He is not getting to as many balls in center as before.

I’d point to the game a week ago where he beat out the infield (swing bunt to the right no less) hit and dove to miss the tag from Fielder. I know this doesn’t prove an overall speed question, just wanted to point it out because it was incredible.
But as for the defense, he has more put outs than any other National League outfielder and the second fewest errors in the majors amoungst outfielders. Not just CF. He’s outperforming everyone in the outfield in terms of defense. He isn’t getting to “as many as before” I suppose. Before he’d have less than 400, this year he’ll have more than 400 put outs. He isn’t matching his max, but other factors could play into that. For instance, Hudson’s ridiculous ground ball/fly out ratio decreases the number he could field and then there’s the 83 HR our 3-5 starters have given up this year that only the fans in the bleachers were able to field. But I’d say, when AJ puts the effort into it, he is still capable of being the top defender in the league, which he is this season (Tied for best fielding percentage in the NL, and second best in the majors.) He has more put outs in fewer innings than the guy he’s tied with… Aaron Rowand.

But, all that said I understand what you are saying, pitching should be the main goal. Obviously, if AJ walks, we’ll need an answer for CF, so that will be important, but not as important as starting pitching. But I still don’t know how money is going to solve that problem… at least initially. Which free agent pitcher do you suggest focusing the money on?

By KC

September 29, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Supes: “sorry KC but I never bought the 30% chance you were giving them before this last road trip started, simply too many teams to pass and not enough games left.”

I did NOT give them a 30% chance before the road trip started. I gave them a 10-15% chance before the roadtrip started.

Immediately after the Braves took game-1 of the series against the Phils… about 10pm that evening, I said the IF both the Padres and Rockies lost that night (both of whom were facing the opposing team’s ace that evening)… THEN I felt the Braves would have a 30% chance at a post-season berth.

Had that been the case, the Braves would have been 2 games back with 5 to play… Hudson and Smoltz on the mound the for the following 2 games, and then a 3-game series against a bottom-rung team. All while the Padres had been dealing with struggline starters, and the Rockies were facing a tough road trip.

So in THAT scenario, I thought (and still think) a 30% chance was realistic.

But of course that scenario never came to be. Both the Padres and Rockies won that Tuesday night, and again the following night, knocking the Braves out of it.

But again, I did NOT give the Braves a 30% at the start of the road trip.

By KC

September 29, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

DOB: IMPORTANT RESTAURANT RECOMENDATION…

I was just in Houst a week ago and tried Luling City Market BBQ for the first time. I was told it was the best in town by several natives. We gave it a try and it WAS excellent.

They’re at the corner of 610 and Richmond Ave. Here’s a link to their website.

By KC

September 29, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

MY ANDRUW JONES PREDICTION:

The Braves will offer Andruw a 3-year deal in the 40-45 million range. Andruw will talk about how insulted he was by the offer and how he was hurt that the Braves didn’t make him a realistic offer.

He’ll then sign a deal elsewhere very similar to the 6-year, 100 mill deal Carlos Lee go last winter.

By Eugene

September 29, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Yeah let’s get rid of Andruw and watch all those hit he caught drop in. And when he hits 40+ homers next year and our CF is batting .210 with 10 homers let see. And of course Chipper will miss 40 games.. But Andruw is black and the Braves will not sign himn long term.. Every payer has a bad season. Let’s not throw away a HOF talent to say we saved a few dollars.. Resign Andruw and find some pitching.

By TennesseePaul

September 29, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

I saw the last out of the Mets game and Willy Radolph had the blankest look I’ve ever seen. It would make almost as good a portrait as Beltran’s incontinent look from the NLCS last year. Bookends.

That made me laugh for 10 minutes. Still laughing. I’d love to see that portrait. Maybe we could get it as a back splash to the blog. HA! Good stuff.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

How about those “Amusing” Muts? Drooler’s mouth is totally dry and his lower orifice wouldn’t pass a BB.

By fastasballs

September 29, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Lew

Great post about Andruw. It stated the facts & was not a bash of the man like many I have read on the blog.

So I assume by offering Andruw arbitration that there will be little risk that he would accept? The Braves have to offer to recoup the draft picks when he signs elsewhere, correct? I know Maddux took arbitration & it cost the Braves Millwood, but Andruw is a different situation.

I can’t see the Braves signing anyone for more than two years to play centerfield. Schaefer is probably here by 2009. I’ve seen him play quite a bit & he covers these huge Carolina league outfields very similar to Andruw when he was coming up through the minors.

If the money is there I wouldn’t mind Rowand, but he’s in a great position to get a 5 year deal coming off a fantastic year. I think the best choice would be to pick someone up with a great glove, power is optional. The line up doesn’t need it, just someone who is a contact hitter & that can run.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Frenchy give it a shot in center if nobody can be signed or traded for. Any chance schaefer is invited to spring training? I don’t recall anyone lately except for Albert Pujols who jumped from A ball to the major & don’t expect it with Jordan either.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

David-ATL14, don’t remember ever calling Schuerholz a “stupid SOB” for letting Giles go. I thought Giles would be better than he’s been but I never called Schuerholz a stupid SOB for letting him go.

Also, since you obviously have a better memory than me about me, do you remember me saying everyone would fall in love with Kelly Johnson as the leadoff hitter by the middle of May?

Do you remember me saying I fear the Phillies more than the Mets and everyone thinking that was dumb?

Man, how in the world can you try to talk up Cameron??? The guy will be 35 come next year. He can’t hit a decent fastball anymore, many a hole in his swing. And you keep acting like a nice big ballpark makes it harder to hit, how again does that happen? Do the Padres and their opponents have an extra fielder out there? No? I know the Cardinals used to play on astroturf, but old Busch stadium, before they moved the fences in, would make Petco park look like a bandbox. Yet, year after year they had several guys hit over .300. Not all speed merchants either. Ted Simmons hit over .300 6 times for the red birds(And he was a catcher!)

Berigan, first of all, why do you think batting average is king? How many times do I have to tell you that batting average doesn’t take into account walks or total bases or HBP? Second of all, a big ballpark means less homers. And less homers means less hits and less total bases. Hitting .300 is obviously great, but it only tells part of the story. What if a guy hits .300 with a .320 OBP? That’s not very good.

Yes, Cameron has so many holes in his swing that he’s easily one of the ten best-hitting centerfielders in baseball.

And Cameron is going to cost much less and want a lot fewer years than Andruw, Hunter, even Rowand and the Braves won’t have to trade players for him and pay him like they would if they traded for a Randy Winn.

I guess when Cameron is patrolling centerfield for the Braves, then I’ll finally get some respect on the blog. Maybe then you’ll finally wake up to the fact the strikeout totals and batting average doesn’t necessarily tell us a lot about production and creating runs and that ballpark does actually affect players’ stats, even though all this should be pretty obvious.

By JC FROM UT

September 29, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

What would it take to get David DeJesus from KC? Maybe Dayton Moore would take Thorman or Joey Devine. Or how about Tyler Yates to Florida for Cody Ross. DOB: waht the word on Mike Gonzalez?

By TNRON

September 29, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Schaefer will be 21 at the start of next year and will be at Mississippi presumably.Is it out of the realm of possibility that he could be in Atlanta at some point next year? Francouer and McCann made the jump and it is done a lot anymore(bypassing AAA).That said what would be wrong with signing Rowand and moving him to left field when Jordan is ready,probably in 09.I know Diaz had a good year but honestly he has never played on an everyday basis so you really dont know.At worst you have a better bench and depth.No doubt the bench has to be addressed as this year it was pitiful.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

A-Ville Ranger: Boras called me because I’d called him three days earlier when I did the long story on Andruw. He was just calling me back, albeit too late for the story. I left number at his home office by mistake, said he hadn’t been there or whatever in days….

KC, thanks for the rec, but don’t have time. Gotta write closer story for tomorrow, got an earlier game tonight (6 p.m. here), then going straight from day game to airport tomorrow night….

Grinch, who said anything about J. Rotten? Replacements and Husker Du, man. Much different realm, as far as musicianship. Anybody knows the Pistols were all about attitude and anger, not any kind of musicianship.

But the Pistons and Johnny Rotten (aka John Lydon, who later went on to form very cool band Public Image Limited) or KK Downing — wonder who has and will have a bigger legacy and impact on music for a generation or three…

JC from Utah, word on Gonzalez: He’s told other Braves relievers he’s ahead of schedule. Braves aren’t expecting him to be ready before May or June. They know better that to let him push it too fast.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Carlos Guillen is moving to first in 2008. The Tigers could make a run at Edgar Renteria.

By fastasballs

September 29, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

I wonder if the Muts can blow an 8 run lead?

Jo Jo Reyes was impressive in his last two starts. Would those two good starts increase his trade value, that is if JS would consider trading him?

By David-ATL14

September 29, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Shaun you over value KJ also, he’s good player not great, never will be.

Below avg defensively, far below avg, very good eye,(though he takes too many strikes,) some extra base pop, good speed, strikes out far too much, Good player, not great by any stretch of the imagination.

I do agree with you on Cameron though, not a bad pickup, IF he can be had for 2 years and nothing more than 14-15m.

By Baseball Fanatic (Go Braves!)

September 29, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Why do you people want to trade Jo-Jo so badly?

By bruce

September 29, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Dave, Regarding locker stuffing… your banter with Grinch reminded me of middle school. (You met me too, in Washington.) I was a tall, skinny 7th grader when a 12th grader, football linebacker, tried to stuff me in a toilet, said he was going to flush me. I had both hands on the bowl. Fortunately someone came in and told him to back off or he might not get to play in the upcoming game… so he threatened me and walked out. Stayed away from him after that. Learned what it was like to be on receiving side of bullying. Learned to protect but not bully, even though I do not know who saved me. So in that light, I guess it was a good experience.

I agree with you about wanting to try the Turkey sandwich at Bull’s BBQ in Philly, didn’t intend to imply that you wanted to try the Turkey leg. Maybe next year I will chat with Bull about making a pork Q sandwich w/o sauce. Thanks, Bruce

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

David-ATL14, when did I ever say he was great? Also, “great” is a relative term.

Johnson was clearly one of the ten most productive second basemen in the game offensively this season.

For the millionth time, strikeout total doesn’t tell us much about production. What may be a large strikeout total will still give everyday players enough non-strikeout plate appearances to do good things. Come on! You know this or you should!

Also, for the millionth time, batting average doesn’t tell the whole story. It doesn’t take into account walks, HBP or total bases. You should know this too, by now.

Johnson’s OBP ranks 7th among ML 2B and his SLG ranks 8th. Whether you want to call it “great” or “very good” or “good”, it is what it is. Whatever you want to call it, Kelly Johnson is an everyday major league player and should be for a while longer.

By Steamboat

September 29, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Shaun, picking back up on Cameron: I don’t think he’d be awful. I would expect we’d get similar numbers to what he’s done for his career (with a little declining factor due to age); but you’re right, he’d be in a friendlier park.

Petco is really a graveyard for hitters; I didn’t realize how dramatic the stats were on that, so a little “benefit of the doubt” is in order.

I don’t know that he’ll go for a 2-year deal - but guess I’ll take your word for it.

My feeling is just that it’s still a lot of money for mediocrity (for lack of a better term). I am very hopeful that we’ll address CF either from within (KJ, Lillibridge - I know those are not options being discussed, but I wouldn’t be surprised) or via a trade for an inexpensive guy (and by that, I mean $500K, not $8 mil) like McClouth (just as an example).

If we’ve got $16 mil to spend over 2 years, I’d rather spend it on pitching if possible, or to keep Edgar another year or two.

Still a little early, guys, to toast the Met’s demise. They’re up big today; Philly’s got to nail the coffin shut.

By Lew

September 29, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

TenPaul-Dude, I could have beaten out that swinging bunt-with Andruw running it shouldn’t have been close enough to have to dive to miss the tag. I know Andruw can still go get ‘em in center-but $18-20 million worth with his hitting starting to tank for the better part of two years? Come on Dude-It was fun while it lasted, but Andruw is not the same player as he was a couple of years ago. Maybe it’s the nagging injuries starting to take their toll (though if he’s hurt, he could have taken some time off)-he’s an old 30 (and yes, I remember the Reds saying that of Frank Robinson who went on to win a Triple Crown-Andruw won’t). Andruw is just not going to put up an overall performance worthy of that kind of money. All of us living in the past and hoping for an Anrduw Renaissance will be sorely disappointed. He will perform-probably for years to come-but not to the level required for that kind of $$$$$$. It’s just time to move on. I’ll treasure the autographed Andruw ball and drawing in my collection and then cheer for the new centerfielder, just like I did for Marquis and Otis before him.

By Yars

September 29, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

KJ will work on his defense with Hubbard over the winter. He could very well next season establish himself as one of the NL’s top 3 2B. If he isn’t traded, maybe Bobby will put him in the #5 spot in the order. He could put up some nice offensive numbers hitting there. I hope he does stay at 2B. Outfielders that can hit .290-.300/20/85-90 seem to be a dime a dozen. He has more value at 2B, if you look at it in a fantasy baseball perspective. I also like it that he’s homegrown talent.

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Rotten Punk legacy? Johnny Rotten and the Sex Pistols certainly deserve their due on breaking new ground and may just be a bigger legacy of punk tragedy, but I’d have to say that Lou Reed’s Velvet Underground would be the bigger music legacy.

I’ve loved all of the British invasions (since the revolutionary war), but Velvet were the American groundbreakers and influencers I’d point to as punk “legacy”. Then we have the Ramones, The Clash, Talking Heads and all the other CBGB era stuff. Punk and post-punk all kind of blend together for me anyway, so many influences and offshoots and mergers of different members of different bands.

Once upon a time I remember going to East Village to see REM in their first appearance in NY. Old (then young) punker Siouxie opened the show. Speaking of Sex Pistols influence, If memory serves, Bow Wow Wow also played that night, although it may have been later that week. It was a great happening. East Village was pretty scary back in those days. Oddly, if it were not for the National Hell’s Angels HQ a few blocks away the neighborhood would have been too dangerous to even venture into. Almost got mugged there myself.

By TennesseePaul

September 29, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Lew: I don’t disagree. What Boras wants for AJ, and what AJ appears to be asking, is well over what I think he should be paid. But I wouldn’t go so far as to say his defense has slipped. He’s still an amazing defender and his stats show that. But more so, after listening to everyone of those rookies who played along side him talk about it, he has a special value out there. I’d like to see him return, but not at a rate that cripples the team. It’s team before player on this. But I’m still going to watch him and hope he does well so long as he isn’t playing for the Dodgers or Yankees.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy Huh?

By doc

September 29, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

dob are you going to echo project now that ajc isnt going to send you to the playoffs? besides in todays era you can keep up with wireless while listening to the flaming lips in the vip section.

By Overlord

September 29, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Muts trying to play baseball after 3 weeks of vacation.

I saw ESPN interview to Wright las night. As a human, i can tell watching him and listening to the interview, was touchy. He looked like a man that just came back from a trip to hell.

The truth is that Wright is a great player along with Alou. The rest of the muts have not show much, specially REYES, totally deflated. Beltran has been trying to do it with HRs but it has not been enough.

You have to tip your hat to Wright and Alou, and Pedro, he came really strong after big time surgery.

By AZBravoFan

September 29, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

DOB: Do you put any stock in the importance of a leadoff hitter being an igniter? Like Reyes, Rollins, Rameriz, et al. When those guys come to the plate with less than two outs and you’re rooting for the opposing team, you are chewing your nails until they make an out. Not the case with Kelly. I agree patience is definitely important for a leadoff man. But for me, KJ just doesn’t get you fired up like Yunel does. I kind of like KJ lower in the order, where we certainly could have used a little more patience this year as well.

By jbutler

September 29, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

A-ville…why so angry??? Lots of aggression coming through. Should probably find another way to vent than pounding on your fellow blog-mates. Good hearted ribbing is one thing…flat out scowling should be turned somewhere else.

Sarah I find tremendous irony in your misspelling of the word “retarded”….

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

AZBravoFan, here’s something you need to realize and you sort of do: Getting on base is much more important than hype or being a “igniter” or speed. A player can ignite all he wants but it means absolutely nothing if he’s in the dugout instead of on first.

You say those others guy scare you with less than two outs, but why not Kelly Johnson? Johnson had the seventh-best on-base percentage as a leadoff hitter this season. Jimmy Rollins ranked eighteenth…eighteenth…in all of baseball…in a hitter’s park…yet he’s considered an MVP candidate!! It’s unbelievable!

That means there were 17 other lead-off hitters (with minimum 300 plate appearances) who made outs less frequently than Rollins. 17!! There were only six better than Kelly Johnson.

Not trying to knock Jimmy Rollins but Jesus Christ!

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Paladin Punk music…you know, that stuff you always never listened to cause you were listening to Lawrence Welk and flyin’ jets in Nam. I was just chiming in on a conversation that DOB and Grinch were having. Couldn’t help myself. I would not suggest you go out and buy any of it!

By the way, it really sux not having the Dawgs on TV in Savannah when we have about 12 other mostly meaningless college games on, golf, ballet, curling, tennis, wrestling…everything BUT Georgia. Local Savannah sports TV is horrible. Next year with TBS not covering I’ll have to get the sports package just to see the Braves. Went out to the car a while ago and Munson said it was 36/17 good guys…so hopefully that’ll hold.

By KC

September 29, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

DOB… sorry you won’t be able to enjoy it this go-round. Maybe next year. Great BBQ!

I like southern BBQ, but Texas BBQ blows it out of the water! Hands down.

DOB, after the comments by McGuirk… “we’re looking to build the value of the franchise”…”everything will be trending upward”…”They’re not concerned about the top number, and neither am I” What do you think the odds are of a 95-100 million payroll next year?

I figured the payroll would go up, but I thought there was little chance of 95 mill or better, until those comments. If you had to guess…?

By Tyler

September 29, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Let’s compare Kelly Johnson to Grady Sizemore, who is one of the best leadoff hitter’s in the game:

Grady Sizemore-160 G, 622 AB, 118 R, 174 H, 34 2B, 5 3B, 24 HR, 78 RBI, 290 TB, 100 BB, 153 SO, 33 SB, 10 CS, .393 OBP, .466 SLG, .280 AVG.

Kelly Johnson-145 G, 517 AB, 91 R, 143 H, 26 2B, 10 3B, 16 HR, 68 RBI, 237 TB, 78 BB, 116 SO, 9 SB, 5 CS, .374 OBP, .458 SLG, .277 AVG

The stats are fairly similar. If you were to give kelly 100 more AB, he woul probably have 105 R, 170 H, 30 2B, 11 3B, 23 HR, 80 RBI, 280 TB, 95 BB, 145 SO, 12 SB, 6 CS. The only real difference is about 20 SB. The SO are very similar as are the HR, RBI, and H.

He’s not a liable leadoff hitter? Give me a break.

By Bob, Journalist

September 29, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

He’s the best center fielder that there’s been in Atlanta … Sarah was talking about Andruw but were I to have said it, I would have been describing Ralph Brown.

Forget the money, the current state of Andruw’s tool set makes him an offensive liability and a questionable defensive asset.

It’s a vicious cycle … who’s Andruw Jones? We need Andruw Jones! We need someone like Andruw Jones!! Who’s Andruw Jones?

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Lew *”The blog is beginning to sound like a cheesy rendition of Cheeseburger in Paradise.” Isn’t that redundant? But then, I never was much for Jimmy Buffet music anyway. I know, I know, I’ll get blasted by the parrot heads for that…so be it.

Then, “Besides-mayo slathered all over anything is hardly desireable.” What? Say it ain’t so Lew. Man, you gotta have mayo so the peanut butter’ll slide down the gullet. What would a BLT be without mayo? Hey, back in the college days I can remember a few mayo-only super-slathered sandwiches (on white bread) when the velveeta and vienna sausage was gone. Not very nutritious but stuck to the ribs.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Rollins has made an out more frequently than 102 players that qualify for the batting title.

By Efrim

September 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

David ATL 14

Kelly Johnson is not overrated. The guy gets on base, and honestly, who cares if he strikes out 120 times a year. If you walk 80 times a year, it doesn’t matter if you K 120 times. Yes, he is below average defensively, but you can live with it because he is so good offensively.

Shaun

Just wondering, who would you ask for in return for Renteria, if Detroit was the team you were talking with?

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Rollins has made an out more frequently than eight of the eleven leadoff hitters that qualify for the batting title. BBWAA, please, I’m begging you, do not give him the NL MVP!

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Elvis Actually, you also put bacon on your peanut butter and bananna sandwich. That was the artery clogging culprit. That and all the grease from frying it. Oh, then those pills…

Aren’t you hiding out in a nursing home somwhere under the guise of Bubba Hotep?

By Efrim

September 29, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Tyler

I don’t know if KJ is Grady Sizemore, but he is a damn good player who takes pitches. With youngsters like Frenchy and Heap, who don’t take pitches, we need someone like Kelly in the lineup.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Efrim, I’d ask for Nate Robertson and probably another pitcher. That’s who I’d ask for.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

An hour and 25 minutes before we get to see Biggio catch again. Who says meaningless baseball games have to be uninteresting?

By Mark

September 29, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

“Jimmy Rollins has made an out more frequently than eight of the eleven leadoff hitters that qualify for the batting title. BBWAA, please, I’m begging you, do not give him the NL MVP!”

So he shouldn’t get it because of that, huh?

Who should get, Kelly Johnson?

What the Hell! Just quit TYPING!

By Efrim

September 29, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Shaun

Yea, that seems about right. I’m not a big Nate Robertson fan. That is why I think it is just not a match with the Tigers.

8-13 with a 4.79 ERA. I know he had arm issues, but I believe he is a free agent at the end of next year and I think we could do better in a trade for Edgar.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Kelly Johnson is going nowhere. The Muts won , the Phillies are losing. If Matt Chico and the Nationals hold up the current 2-0 lead , The Muts and Phillies will be in a dead heat on the last day of the season. Take your tum’s metro boy , your gonna need them.

By Mark

September 29, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Efrim you and Shaun make excellent points about Kelly’s patience, but is he so good that we leave him in the starting lineup.

Do you think he is better than Escobar.

WHy not put him in a platoon situation in LF or even at second base next year.

You just can’t overlook bad defense and strikeouts. Unless, he does something great like hit 30 or more homerun, steal lots of bases, is a great run producer or something.

Look at everybody on that Braves team that starts regularly. There is something that is apart of their game that is spectacular.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Not that this should shock anyone, but Cox just told us he “feels great” and is excited about coming back next year.

By mo in the boonies

September 29, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Wayne I believe the third killer B was Bell.

DOB Were you the one who posted the polls on who to keep for the team, and who to get rid of? Or was it strictly the AJC? I eagerly scrolled down the list of names and pictures seeking the one for Cox, and was disappointed to find he wasn’t listed. Too bad… That is one poll I’d like to see…how many people would vote to get rid of him.

By Mark

September 29, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Man DOB, this was great blog until you shared that bit of news. Thanks alot.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy Now I really will be a wise @$$. Instead of your choice in “music” I was referring to your remark about “loving all British invasions since the Revolutionary war”. Surely, we remember 1812, the last time foreign troops were on US soil ANd the boogers burned our capital, too. Are you telling me that Rotten whats-his-name did that? :>)

By Elvis

September 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy Duh!

By ppaddy123

September 29, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Shaun as you seem to be the most numbers oriented guy on the blog, who, other than Mike Cameron, do you think the Braves should go after? My personal feeling is the Braves need a guy that can get on base. With the line up we can put out there, assuming we don’t trade Edgar, bodies on the base paths is a prime need. I personally don’t think the Braves need to spend 8-10 million for a CF. I would like to see them trade for a young guy (BJ Upton for example) who will give them trade leverage in a few years.

I agree that Rowand will ultimately be a bad signing. But there are plenty of good young CF’s in MLB.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

O’Brien , I just read the blurb about Carlos Guillen moving to 1B full time in 2008. Sounds like the Tigers are in the market for a SS. Do you think they would be crazy enough to trade a youngster like Andrew Miller for Edgar Renteria ? Muts won , Nationals 4 Phillies 1 , in the sixth.

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Paladin I stand corrected. 1812…sure. One of my favorite military songs…the Overture…BOOM! Guess I was thinkin’ more music than history…like John, Paul, George and Ringo invasion.

Guess I was just thinking about that nasty seige of Savannah…lobbing cannonballs into our midst…oh, it must have been a fright. You were just a wee child then.

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

mo in the boonies Yes, Bell was one of the original killer B’s. I never really forgave him for shortening Lemke’s career with his “body block” right at Lemmer’s knees. Even Lemke said it was an ok, legal hit, but I always thought it was unecessarily high and hard for the situation.

Catchin’ any fish?

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Andruw, McCann and Renteria are out of the lineup again, and probably will be again tomorrow.

Cox said Andruw’s “beat up” and Andruw said the same thing. He didn’t ask to play and didn’t object to sitting out the final three games of the season, which could be his final three games in a Braves uniform.

Strange, the guy who played every day for so long, doesn’t mind watching the last three games of the season, quite possibly his last season in a Braves uniform.

Former UGA catcher Clint Sammons might catch tomorrow. Brayan Pena’s catching today.

Willie’s in center again, Brandon Jones in left.

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 29, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Ok . No one wants to trade Renteria, or Johnson. We traded away many of our top prospects. So, how do we get starting pitching if we don’t trade one or both of our middle infielders? Sign one of the many stud sub .500 starters available this winter? I just don’t get it…I mean, I get wanting to keep them both, but I just don’t see how we get starting…good starting, any other way.

By Tyler

September 29, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

My advice: Don’t trade one of our star SS’s to the Tigers. They don’t have what we need.

Instead, look to one of these teams:

Oakland, Pittsburg, San Francisco, Toronto, Cincinatti, Boston, or Kansas City. They have young quality pitching that we want.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

You Clumpson folks better jump on the S. Carolina bandwagon. They, Clumpson, have the worst pass protection I have seen. And I hope they get it going. After all, they are playing Tech.

By Lew

September 29, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Paladin-Old Fart, Sir-You make it sound like you fought alongside Old Hickory during that 1812 War. Were you with LaFitte at the Battle Of New Orleans? Old Fart and Old Hickory-what a team.

By chrisklob

September 29, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

SG, what’s up my friend? I remember that dirty play from Bell too and never forgave him for it.

All this talk about sandwiches/bbq today has given me a craving for some smoked pork. I’m gonna have to smoke some pork shoulders overnight. We’re gonna eat good tomorrow!

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

That is just great , Willie is in center field again and Gregor Blanco is sitting at home in Venezuela , brilliant ! How bout dem DAWGS ! 45-17 butt kicking over Ole Miss !

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 29, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Man, this sure is exciting coverage of the Tigers-Rattlers game, eh what? I love the still photo of a completely empty stadium! And the fact there is no score on the screen!

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

ppaddy123, No way they can get BJ Upton. D-Rays aren’t going to give him up. He’s too talented and too young and cheap. I obviously think Cameron is the best fit, at least on the free agent market. I could see them trading Renteria for a pitcher and centerfielder but I don’t know what kind of quality they would get at either position if they did that.

Mark, I don’t know if Johnson is better than Escobar. Escobar certainly has more up side it would seem. But Johnson is certainly good enough to play everyday.

You can overlook strikeout totals, as I keep harping on. Again, a high strikeout total doesn’t necessarily mean a guy makes too many outs or hits for too little power. Johnson gets on base a lot and hits for good power.

And his defense isn’t awful, so I’d rather deal with it to have his bat in the lineup.

That’s why I say trade Edgar if there is any possibility to get equal value or close to it. Escobar and Johnson would make a heck of a double play combo (not necessarily defensively, mind you) that is young and cheap.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Mark, if you can’t see the connection between ranking 103rd in baseball in OBP as a leadoff hitter playing half the time in a hitter’s park and the MVP award, you are utterly hopeless.

I say Hanley Ramirez or David Wright deserve the MVP. But that won’t happen. Not enough September hype and the awards more about hype than value. Hell, Chipper Jones deserves it over Rollins.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Coach, I’m sure keeping Blanco off the roster has something to do with options and/or the arbitration clock.

By Overlord

September 29, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

If i was the NL comisioner, i would give the NL EAST to the NATIONALS, they have given the braves, phillies, and muts such a hard time, outplayed all does teams last 2 months, or at least when it has mattered the most.

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 29, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Really nice to see Biggio behind the plate today!!! Too bad he didn’t get to win a WS, but at least he got to play in won. Truly a class act…..Won’t seem the same to see the Astros without him….

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

Overlord, when does it matter most? So apparently the first five months don’t matter?

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

Chris Smoked Pork shoulder…man that sounds good. So, what time should we be there? Me and wifey have been stirrin’ the pots today (mostly her…I direct until she smacks my hand). Crawfish etouffee on the dinner menu tonight.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

New coach, same ole Alabama. Score some freaking points already!

By Greg in TN

September 29, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this

Evening folks…

Hunkering down for a little baseball action at the house Enos Cabell built.

Salty Great point on your 3:30 post. I think it’s going to be a moot point anyway. I don’t see the Braves making an offer anywhere in the neighborhood of what AJ and Bora$ is dreaming about. I have a sneaking feeling someone will somewhere (the Nats might since they are opening a sparkling new park in DC and you have Stan Kasten sitting in the President’s chair, but would Kasten and Jim Bowden give Bora$ a big enough offer to get the job done?) If AJ did return for one year, it would not be hitting cleanup and it would not be for a five year deal with Jordan Schafer ready to go in 2009 or 2010. Will be interesting to see how things progress, but with him sitting out last night, tonight and tomorrow, it likely will give us time to get used to the idea of someone else in center.

Great backhanded stop by KJ on the Anderson grounder, nice hand for Craig Biggio by the Houston faithful before his double, then Lance Berkman just hammered a Bennett offering into the cheap seats.

Great gesture by the Wurlitzer committee in bestowing the legendary award to who I feel is a legendary broadcaster. I like Lew’s idea of the portrait including some of the highlights of Skip’s career. Certainly Sid’s slide could be considered as well as Grissom’s catch to end game 6 in ‘95, and I thought about capturing Greg Olson and Smoltz celebrating after clinching the NL West in 1991. If I can do anything at all to help, I’ll be happy to do so.

By Edgar

September 29, 2007 7:33 PM | Link to this

Now,Kelly Johnson has been poorly since August,.233 AVG,4 HR,13 RBI,23 BB,39 SO 328 OBP,360 SLG and 688 OPS and that’s in 164 AB.Personally i think Escobar is WAY better than KJ, not about numbers but Escobar is more intelligent hitter,disciplined, has more Speed and if Renteria is not traded he should play 2nd.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this

Shaun , Gregor Blanco has used up one option year in 2007 , he was invited to spring training while on the 40 man roster. So , his clock has already started and the Braves have wasted an option year. Wow , the Muts and Phillies are tied for the division lead with one game left in the season.

By Baseball Fanatic (Go Braves!)

September 29, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

Well…Now that KJ has finally made that back-handed play, he will get it everytime. (Let’s pray!)

By Greg in TN

September 29, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

Jeff Bennett deserved a better fate there. Outstanding diving grab by Lance Berkman.

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 29, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

Man, OBP is your God and your mistress isn’t it??? Would the Phillies be in 1st(Well, back in a tie again) without him???? 30 Hrs, 93 RBI’s mainly from the leadoff spot!! Slg % is .528 . 210 hits( hits are often thought of as being even better than a walk, honest!)39 steals(add the 38 doubles and he was on second around 77 times for the Phils)19 triples!!! 137 Runs scored!!!

Why the hell do you diss him so?? Because he should have walked 20 times more this year??? Are you an insider??? listen to this from Stark on Rollins. He says he has more total bases than Fieler. Plays gold glove defense, and has played in every game for him, something he says an NL shortstop hasn’t done in other 30 years…. http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/espnradio/player?id=3036905

By chrisklob

September 29, 2007 7:39 PM | Link to this

SG, I’ll get them in the smoker between 9 and 10 tonight so they should be done by around lunchtime tomorrow. You’ve got plenty of time to catch the early church service and still make the two hour drive to get here on time!

By Bob, Journalist

September 29, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

I missed the game but understand that condolences are in order for Coach Howard’s good ol’ boys … the Flats just ain’t Death Valley … and the weather was nice too … nary a cloud and no thunder or lightning.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy No, actually I took a little trip, down the Missisip. You are a good sport. I’m done.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

Andruw is sitting out the last three games because they have no bearing on the post season , the Braves are eliminated and Boras doesn’t want to risk injury to his asset.

By Edgar

September 29, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

DOB,do you think the Braves should consider bringing back J.Franco next year??

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

Lew On this blog I am not an old fart, I’m just an older fart.

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 29, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this

You know, it’s a shame they had Bennett pitch in the AAA playoffs. It would have been nice to see him get more starts here. He has hit 96 MPH tonight, I had no idea he could do that! Thats about 4 mph than Jo-Jo! Maybe…just maybe we have a 4 or 5 right now. That Bergman homer was on a decent low curveball…..

By Danny

September 29, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

just wondering if any1 could tell me which brave wore #35… some guy was wearing a throwback jersey with that #…cant seem to remember…thanks in advance.

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

Chris You in Charleston?

Paladin Now, where tha hell you think you’re going? Two games left…man. ‘Mon back good buddy, 10/4?

Dinner break for me.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

Dawgs won. Tech won. Muts won. Steak dinner was gooood! If Braves and Falcons win it could still be a winner.

By Mark

September 29, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Shaun you might be the only person on this blog to not know if Escobar is better than Kelly Johnson.

Son, you are losing credibility.

You really believe Hanley Ramirez or David Wright deserves the MVP over Jimmy Rollins.

Shaun can you name one spectacular thing about Kelly’s game. Please don’t say walks.

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

Too bad Blanco is not up for the weekend.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

Savannah guy I ain’t going anywhere until the Fat Lady passes gas. I cleaned that up jbutler, aren’t you proud of me? :>)

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

Shaun, have you added up total bases + walks + hbps + SB - CS? Rollins has 463 of those, more than anyone else in the National League. His rate of those per plate appearance is .601. He is 12th in the NL in that rate stat behind, in order, Prince, Chipper, Holliday, Hanley, Wright, Howard, Dunn, Utley, Pujols, Cabrera, Beltran. For a leadoff man and a shortstop, he has done a great job and his team is in first place.

Hanley, Dunn, Pujols, Cabrera are out of it because their teams are out of it. Holliday plays in a hitter’s park himself. Howard and Utley may deserve it more but Rollins also plays a more important defensive position. Prince’s team faded. Wright’s team choked. Chipper was hurt too much. So, stop putting people down and show a damn little bit of humility for once. His MVP chances are not all that crazy. I don’t think he should get it but stop freaking acting like people are HOPELESS if they think they can make an argument why he does deserve it.

BTW, Rollins also has 81 more of those than the average leadoff man.

Rollins has 119 more of those than the average shortstop.

Hanley has 103 more of those than the average shortstop.

Wright has 95 more than the average third baseman.

Chipper has 35 more than the average NL third baseman.

Prince has 75 more than the average first baseman.

Howard has 24 more than the average first baseman.

Holliday has 75 more than the average leftfielder.

Utley has 38 more than the average second baseman.

SO, Shaun, although I don’t think he should be the MVP, please stop calling people ugly names because they happen to think he might be worthy.

Using these kinds of stats, he has provided his team more bases offensively at his position with respect to the average shortstop than any other MVP candidate has provide with respect to the average player at their positions.

By Julia

September 29, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

Am I too late to vote for my f-a-v-o-r-i-t-e sandwich? I VOTE FOR the SHRIMP SAMMICH slathered in sauce dripping from the bun. That is one T-A-S-T-Y sandwich. Sure, it leaves a POOCH but what doesn’t that is worth eating? At least I am active and can fight the POOCH. Imagine being in radio or something dull like that and having to deal with POOCH.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 8:14 PM | Link to this

Will you all please stop pounding on Kelly Johnson? I swear if the team was filled with a bunch of guys with a 1.000 OPS or higher, you would all find the one guy with a .999 OPS and pound on him relentlessly.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this

Berigan, my intent is not to dis Rollins, per se. I would be happy to have Rollins as my shortstop if I were a Phillies fan. And I do think he’s had a good season. But these are different issues than him deserving the MVP.

Also, many of those stats you mentioned are counting stats that are highly context dependent. They depend on how often he’s been in the lineup, where he hits and the lineup he’s in.

Rollins does have the most plate appearances in baseball, so you could make the argument that even if he makes an out at a higher rate than a lot of others, he’s still made more of an impact. But although he has ten more plate appearances than the number two player (Jose Reyes) he ranks only ninth in times on base (i.e., times he avoided an out). If he is the MVP, and has the most plate appearances by a pretty significant margin, don’t you think he should rank at least top two or three in times on base, or at least in the top five. He ranks ninth.

OBP is not my god but it is the most important single offensive stat that is fairly commonly uses. It’s not the only important offensive stat but it is the most important to telling us offensive value.

Also, OBP is not about walks. It’s about the rate a hitter gets on base and avoids outs.

Also, Rollins ranks 25th in slugging, another important stat that you acknowledge.

And I don’t think Prince Fielder deserves the award either, so I’m not sure why you bring him up.

Here’s what I wrote on my blog about the situation:

Jimmy Rollins will probably win the NL MVP award this season. Rollins will win because of the hype of the Phillies storming back to overtake the Mets late (even if things don’t stay that way). He will win because of his counting stats—30 homeruns, 93 RBI, 39 steals, 209 hits, 137 runs (as I write this). He will not deserve the MVP.

My definition of “Most Valuable” is the guy who does the most to contribute to his team winning. Can anyone tell me why a player who has made an out more frequently than 102 other players that qualify for the batting title is the MVP? Can anyone tell me why a player who has made an out more frequently than eight of the eleven leadoff hitters that qualify for the batting title is the MVP? Can anyone tell me why a player who has made an out more frequently than twelve other shortstops that qualify for the batting title is the MVP?

Rollins does have the most plate appearances in baseball, so you could make the argument that even if he makes an out at a higher rate than a lot of others, he’s still made more of an impact. But although he has ten more plate appearances than the number two player (Jose Reyes) he ranks only ninth in times on base (i.e., times he avoided an out).

Maybe I just have some backwards definition of “Most Valuable.” Maybe the voters will surprise me and give it to a more deserving player. I am not trying to knock Jimmy Rollins as a player. He’s a fine player. If I were a Phillies fan, I would be thankful that Jimmy Rollins was our shortstop. But he is not the National League’s Most Valuable Player.

By Paladin

September 29, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this

Nurse Ratchet says I have to go to bed now. You guys please pull them through or the Chief will smother me.

By chrisklob

September 29, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this

SG, yes. Actually I live just over the bridge in Mt Pleasant.

By Greg in TN

September 29, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this

Danny,

Nice to get a run back there on Pena’s ground out. Aside from the long ball that Bennett gave up to Berkman, he’s pitched well to this point.

By JackP

September 29, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

Jones is lazy. He does not hustle or show any enthusiasm. Get rid of him and get someone who will hustle and play the game as it is meant to be played. Scott Boris is an idiot.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

John Parker Wilson stinks!

By BG

September 29, 2007 8:26 PM | Link to this

I just noticed that Oscar Villareal has only pitched twice in September and hasn’t pitched at all since 9/14. Did he get hurt or what? Or, is he just in Bobby’s doghouse? I realize that when the Braves were winning lots of games, they didn’t need as much long relief. However, I would have still thought that Oscar would have gotten into more than two games in September.

By BG

September 29, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Wow…the Rockies playoff hopes are hanging by a thread and they had to start Mark Redman. Ouch.

Holliday is 1-1 in the early going so he is staying ahead of Chipper.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this

And I don’t think Prince Fielder deserves the award either, so I’m not sure why you bring him up.

Shaun, perhaps he said it because you said the other day: My heart say Chipper. My head says Wright. My pick is Fielder.

Those were your words. Maybe that’s why he brought up Fielder.

By Tyler

September 29, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

Shaun, we get your point, but stats aren’t everything. Rollins will be the most VALUABLE player in the National League. Not the player with the best OBP, OPS, AVG, ZYX, etc. Where does it say you have to be in the top 5 in OBP? Nowhere. He simply provides something to that team that cannot be replaced-Leadership, speed, power, exceptional defense.

I suppose Hanley Ramirez is more valuable to his club since they’re not even in playoff contention?

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this

If the Mets win tomorrow and the Phillies lose, I’ll detest the Phillies as much as the Mets. Well, maybe not quite as much. I don’t think we need the drooling ones back here on this blog.

C’mon Phillies, don’t phalter. Phrankly, if you don’t phinish the phrikkin phinale with a win you will be called philthie phorever. Make Benjamin Phranklin proud and phlog the Nats tomorrow and, if necessary, philet the phreakin’ Mutts next.

Ok, I pheel better now.

By chrisklob

September 29, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Why is BC pulling Chipper out early again? Did he not see the memo that he’s in a race for the batting title? So Chipper comes out going 1-3 while Holliday is 1-1 and they’re only in the second inning so he’ll probably have four more AB’s! WhatthehellisBC thinking?

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Coach, the Braves had to put Blanco on the 40-man roster, or expose him to the Rule 5 draft, where he definitely would have been selected by some team.

So it’s not a matter of “wasting” an option.

By David O'Brien

September 29, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

Meant to get a new blog up today, but had to write that fourth story to complete the series, then do notebook. It was an early (6 p.m.) start here.

We’ll get one up tomorrow, maybe during game or something. I know this one’s getting slow.

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

Chris Damn, we’re practically neighbors. Sister cities. I love Mt. Pleasant and Charleston. Used to go up every year for Spoleto Festival, the Southeastern Wildlife Exposition and other fun outings. Even had several clients over the years there as well. Beautiful place. Is the Trawler seafood restaurant still there near you?

By Anders

September 29, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

What’s up Braves nation? Just back from 8 days out on the West coast on business including a 3 day stop in Vegas. You see Paladin I do have to work once in a while. Well I must say after trumping up how the Mets had all these games against the Nats and Marlins to end the season I never saw this collapse coming. That said they sure answered the bell today and the Phils didn’t. So tomorrow we play for all the marbles. I give the advantage to the Phils for two reasons. One - I have no confidence in Glavine in this situation. He’s rarely come up big for the Mets in big games. Second - I don’t care how much teams say they want to be spoilers, tonight is the last night of the season for these teams. What do you think they’re doing? - partying. However I think the Marlins will have extra incentive because of the dugout emptying crap that went on at Shea today. Speaking of which - I’d prefer that baseball players just stay in the dugout if when they get out to the scrum all they do is chat and laugh with each other. There were about 3 guys looking to go- with the rest just exchanging E-mail addresses for the off season.

By Braves20

September 29, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

Here’s hoping the guy from Colorado goes oh for the rest of the night. Would be nice to see Chipper add the batting crown to his resume. That would pretty much cement his place in Cooperstown.

Let’s also hope the Marlins show up for the game tomorrow and put the whipped topping on a great collapse.

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Chris My guess is that Chipper was ok with coming out, because he’s recently said that felt he hadn’t played enough games for the batting title anyway. I wish he would have stayed in too. He needs another home run for 30, and it would still be an accomplishment to have the highest BA. Then, there’s the gold glove.

Go figger.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

Oh, Bob is gonna just love this. Anders pulled a double whammy. He showed up after the Mets finally won a game and also claimed the old “business trip” excuse. Bob called that one coming from a thousand miles away.

By chrisklob

September 29, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

SG, sadly no, the Trawler is not there any longer. It closed about two years ago. It’s a long story but the short version is that the long-time owner sold it and the new guy (idiot) ran it into the ground inside of a year. We still have many, many fine restaurants here though.

By PV=nRT

September 29, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this

Chipper isn’t playing the whole game out? What a g-dam chickensh[t move. He doesn’t deserve the batting crown. I hope Holliday takes it. What Would Ted Williams Say? WWTWS?

By Lew

September 29, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

GregInTb-Help me find good pictures of those three events. That would help immensely. Email any to me at

 lewhartman@comcast.net

That goes for anyone who can find appropriate shots for the Skip Wurlitzer. I’ve got five Wurlitzers going right now, plus some other stuff. Any research help would be much appreciated.

By Anders

September 29, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Braves 20 Chipper doesn’t need anything else on his resume to cement a place in Cooperstown. The order for the bust has been placed already. I’m a Met fan and I’m sure he’s a mortal lock. If he doesn’t get in on his first ballot it’s because a lot of the Jack Asses that vote have this “not on the first ballot mentality except for the elite class” of HOF’s.

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this

WW “Those were your words. Maybe that’s why he brought up Fielder.”

Why on earth would one proficient blogmeister not be able to change his mind, stance or skew the facts occassionally to suit the opinion du jour? That would shorten the current argumentative discussion and require less pontificating, wouldn’t it?

Can’t have that now can we? I’ll also give you ten to one odds the fella won’t even see this post. Why? Because there are no numbers or stats. But he’s a good kid so I won’t give him too hard a time.

By Braves20

September 29, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

Crud. Holliday is 2 for 2. 341. Unless he goes oh for the rest of the weekend, the batting crown is probably his.

As Savannah guy said above. Even with the injuries, Chipper has had a hell of a year and would probably be in the thick of the MVP race had we won.

By Greg in TN

September 29, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Lew, let me see what I can round up. I’ll email you with what I can find.

By Julia

September 29, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

Is there a really good place to get a SHRIMP SAMMICH in Charleston? Or in Mt. Pleasant? How about that place on Shem Creek? I make it a practice to know all the best places for a T-A-S-T-Y SHRIMP SAMMICH.

By Braves20

September 29, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Anders - re: your 9:13 post - of course I agree. It’s just that some so-called Braves fans want to nit pick his injuries, that his alphabet soup statistics aren’t good enough, yak, yak, yak.

By Julia

September 29, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

Lew, I have a nice photo of Greg Olson and John Smoltz celebrating on the mound but it has some g-r-e-a-s-y fingerprints on it. Will it still be helpful if I send it to you? Will your wife be okay with your getting mail from a hot actress?

By Mark

September 29, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

“Can anyone tell me why a player who has made an out more frequently than 102 other players that qualify for the batting title is the MVP? Can anyone tell me why a player who has made an out more frequently than eight of the eleven leadoff hitters that qualify for the batting title is the MVP? Can anyone tell me why a player who has made an out more frequently than twelve other shortstops that qualify for the batting title is the MVP?”

Shaun I gotta question for you.

Who cares?

Shaun do you really think people care how often he makes an out as compared to other players. These have to be the craziest stats or questions I have ever heard.

Stats don’t always tell the story Shaun. I know that is hard for you to understand, but it’s true.

So Shaun, who is better Escobar or Kelly Johnson? You never answered.

By Anders

September 29, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

* Hey Braveheart* Call me what you want but I’m not a liar. Flew to Vegas on Southwest last Friday, stayed at the Luxor until Monday then drove down to San Diego - stayed at the Marriott Hotel and Marina on San Diego Bay. Had dinner at Hotel Del Coronado, Sally’s and the Strip Club among others while I was there. Drinks on the 22nd floor open air bar overlooking Petco Park at the Marriott Gaslamp. Look them all up. Flew home last night on JetBlue flight 182 that left San Diego at 12:25 PT and landed at JFK at 8:55 ET.If you still don’t believe me, give me a secure private fax number or E-mail address and I’ll send you copies of my hotel and flight confirmations. I never given anyone a reason to think I’ve lied on this blog. I’ve been here through two other Mets 5 game losing streaks. I haven’t run from anyone. As a matter of fact all I kept hearing is why do I come here? I don’t appreciate being called a liar.

By Mark

September 29, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this

Grand Dragon,

You know they say “you can take the trash out trailerpark, but you can’t take the trailerpark out of the trash.”

So be that as it may, take your lily white Braves dreams back to the Waffle House or you trailer son.

By JC FROM UT

September 29, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

Would anybody trade KJ to Colorado for Aaron Cooke? Would Colorado do it? How about Joey Devine for David DeJesus? JS also needs to sign either Mike Lamb or Aaron Boone to back up the corners.

By Braveheart

September 29, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

anders, was just joking with you - just playing off the typical mets fan behavior on here. all of the others disappear when things are going bad for the mets and then do frequently claim they are conveniently on “business trips.” But I tend to believe you ‘cause you are much more literate than the typical Mets fan that visits this blog.

By chrisklob

September 29, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

Julia, yes, there are plenty of places to get a good shrimp sandwich in Charleston. In fact, too many to name. But if you are the “real” Julia and you’d like to come to visit our fair city I will happily give you a tour of our many fine culinary establishments. Just don’t tell my wife! :-)

By Shamus Thacker

September 29, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

I’d like for Boras and Andruw to squeeze their heads into each-other’s butt.

That’s really all I have to say about it…

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

JC: How’d you like that snow today?? On the bench in Layton, we got it solid for 2-3 hours.

I think the Braves were grooming Brayan Pena to cover the corners this year in Richmond. After he came back from his concussion, he played everywhere BUT catcher.

Also, if Aybar returns, which I am hopeful for, he should be the backup that Woodward has been this year, hopefully with a better bat and glove.

So, unless Lillibridge starts at second or in CF, we should have a decent bench with BPena, Aybar, Lillibridge, and maybe Prado. I anticipate that Lillibridge will play most if not all year in Atlanta next year, unless he is packaged for a starter. I envision him being the everyday second baseman eventually.

Wouldn’t it be awesome if Lillibridge or Blanco came through in the spring, so as to give us a decent glove in CF and possibly a traditional type leadoff hitter.

Also, I hope that the Braves do not trade Devine this winter, as I think he is going to be a top notch set-up or closer in a year or so.

2008 is going to be exciting, any way you slice it!

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

You know it’s time for bed when the Mutts return, take the stage and command an audience. Hopefully they won’t get the last word.

More Braves tomorrow. Last chance for Chipper to go 4-4 and the Bravos to go out fighting.

Chris, raincheck on the BBQ?

By Wayne in Utah

September 29, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

Julia We don’t have too many shrimp sandwiches in Utah, but my wife is a big fan, and she is a great cook! If you ever decide to visit our state, please be warned, I am a happily married man. I have been told that it is very difficult for beautiful women to be around me, once they realize that I am unattainable for them.

Sorry about that!

By Savannah Guy

September 29, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this

Chris Don’t be fooled by Julia. She’ll mesmerize you, wine you, dine you, make you do bad things and then do to you what she did to poor old Lyle Lovett. ; )

By bravesfan

September 29, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Well I guess we saw Renteria and Andruw play there last game in a Braves uniform Thursday.

By journalist jimmy smith

September 29, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

must have had a boo boo to sit out when he’s trying to win a batting title. seems to have a lot of boo boos.

By Baseball Fanatic (Go Braves!)

September 29, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

Did anyone see this article/ blog on Chipper Jones?

It’s absolutely ridiculous…well, not all of it…

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 29, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this

DOB,

9:39 pm post needs to go…

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

Another one run loss , yay ! Another quality start wasted ( good job by Jeff Bennett). O’Brien , I knew why the Braves added him to the 40 man. I’m griping because the Braves didn’t call Blanco up and use the option to play him in Atlanta rather than just protect him from the rule V draft. I know this will confuse the hell out of most bloggers but any player on the 40 man doesn’t necessarily burn an option year. Pete Orr is an example of this fact , he has been on the 40 man since November 22, 2004 and he still had an option left. Brandon Jones was added to the 40 man for the same reason , to protect him from the rule V draft. But , Brandon Jones is playing for the Braves while the CF candidate (Gregor Blanco) is stewing in Venezuela and we get to watch Willie Harris.

By Julia

September 29, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

The way to my heart is thru a big ol’ juicy SHRIMP SAMMICH! I can’t get radio boy off my mind because he likes a SHRIMP SAMMICH as much as I do. I know he is said to be POOCHY and disgusting but I think we have a lot in common with the SHRIMP SAMMICH. You married men are too much t-r-o-u-b-l-e. I want an OLD MAID like you-know-who in NOLA.

By ppaddy123

September 29, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

Shaun I realize BJ Upton is pretty much untouchable. I was asking if there is anyone available “like” BJ Upton, for example.

I don’t know why the thought of moving Francoeur to center is so alarming to everyone. Didn’t he play CF in the minors? The guy seems to thrive on challenging situations. To me, it seems the more flexable we can be, the more possibilities. (Nick Swisher, Oakland A’s, RF- CF .261 BA, .383 OBP) I just think it will be easier to fill a role, rather than a position. Francoeur is going to play everyday. Why not go after a guy that can play both positions (like Nick Swisher)?

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this

What a freaking mess. San Diego trails Arizona by one game in the N.L. West , the Mets and Phillies are tied atop the N.L. East , the Mets , Phillies and Rockies are all one game back of San Diego in the wild card race. It’s the PERFECT STORM on the last day of the season ! p.s. I have the feeling that the playoff race won’t be over after number 162 is played.

By chrisklob

September 29, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

Coach, I’m starting to believe that you have a crush on Gregor Blanco. Either that or you’re trying too hard to be like Robert and drive your point into the ground. Let it go, man.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, the other day I thought the voters would choose Fielder because of his homerun total. That’s why I meant. My pick was that the voters would go with Fielder. But now I’m hearing the hype and the hype is with Rollins.

Tyler, yes, stats don’t tell us anything, do they? We just randomly assume which players are the most valuable players don’t we without any evidence to guide us. That’s a great way to decide things, isn’t it?

Also, yes, I believe Hanley Ramirez is more valuable to the Marlins than other players are to contending teams. Do you honestly believe Ramirez was less valuable than someone like Ryan Theriot because Theriot’s team finished with more wins? If you had an MVP vote, my guess is you wouldn’t put Theriot’s name on the ballot ahead of Ramirez, so you don’t really believe that.

The MVP is an individual award. I don’t believe in punishing the guy who did more to help his team win (to me that is value) just because his GM didn’t surround him with enough good players or the other players didn’t play well enough or the other players got hurt or whatever other reasons a team may not contend.

Mark, this year at the major league level Kelly Johnson has been better because he’s played more games. But Escobar seems to have the better upside. However, both should be major league regulars somewhere for the next seven, eight years.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 29, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

Chris , do you play the retread or do you play the prospect ? The Braves made the error , I’m just busting their chops.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

Does anyone really believe how often a player makes an out has nothing to do with his value? I mean, come on.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

ppaddy123, Nick Swisher’s not going anywhere either. That’s the problem with good, young centerfielders—if they are that good and young, they are probably also cheap, which means teams are going to be very reluctant to give them up.

By Shaun

September 29, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this

Look, I could understand the Rollins-for-MVP argument if he was in the top five or ten or even top 25 in OBP…but he’s not even in the top 100! You can’t tell me a player who makes an out more often than all but 56 qualifiers is an MVP. No one can convince me of that and now one should be able to convince all of you of that.

By chrisklob

September 29, 2007 11:28 PM | Link to this

Coach

Chris , do you play the retread or do you play the prospect ? The Braves made the error , I’m just busting their chops.

Are you talking about the last few weeks while the Braves were still in the race or the last couple of games since they’ve been eliminated?

I neither agree nor disagree with you that Blanco should have been called up. My point is that you’ve been kicking this dead horse for quite a while now and it’s getting a little tiresome. There may be a very compelling reason that he didn’t get the call that we are not aware of.

By KC

September 29, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this

5 THINGS THAT SHOULDN’T SURPRISE YOU THIS WINTER/NEXT SEASON:

It should surprise you if…

1 – Andruw Jones in another uniform next season: This one’s obvious.

2 – Renteria is traded: This has been talked about quite a bit, so to put it succinctly… it makes a lot of sense on so many levels to trade him this winter. As much as the Braves like him… with Escobar here, Renteria is no longer needed. He’ll be shipped out this winter as part of a deal for a starter or a center-fielder.

3 – Glavine back in a Braves uniform: He surely has at least one more quality year left in him… and the Braves definitely need a quality starter this winter. The Braves will pursue a trade for a younger starter that can help them beyond next season, but if there aren’t any strong prospects for such a trade early in the winter… Glavine will be their guy. And there’s always the possibility of acquiring Glavine AND another starter via trade.

4 – Kelly Johnson traded: Renteria will probably be traded. We all know that. But Kelly Johnson could be moved as well. The Braves like KJ and would like to keep him, but if they need trading chips, he’s a valuable piece they can afford to part with. There’s middle infield talent in the pipeline, and Prado is major league ready. Also, if Willie Harris is back next year, he’s played more 2nd in his career than anything else.

5 – Hampton wins 12-14 games: No telling what will happen, but some have completely written Hampton off. It shouldn’t surprise you if he makes a significant contribution.

By ppaddy123

September 29, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

Yes, but you understand why I feel a role player, rather than a $7-10 million dollar guy will work for this team. My point is, we don’t need a guy to drive in runs. We DO NEED a guy that can get on base and be clutch in clutch situations.

By Chop Chop

September 30, 2007 12:00 AM | Link to this

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO DAWGS AND, WELL, WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!!!!

Gator Bait? Looks like those in the jean shorts and gold chains were the bait tonight, boys!

By Lew

September 30, 2007 12:00 AM | Link to this

ChrisKlob-Only Seth could beat a MLB suspension. He just has an honest face. I douubt he would intentionally throw at anyone, anyway.

Julia-end the picture. I’ve worked around autographs and MLB logos, your fingerprints shouldn’t be a problem. Don’t worry-My wife wouldn’t believe I was fooling around with an actress, anyway. If I told her I was, she’d probably fall over laughing at the absurdity of it.

By TampaBrave

September 30, 2007 12:09 AM | Link to this

Been away too long. Just want to point out the event that occured tonight that is a microcosm of the entire season. Braves trail by one, KJ leads off with a single, does not attempt to steal. Woody lines one off the pitcher, KJ advances to 2nd. Woody makes out #1. With a speedy guy, we steal 2nd, then get advanced to 3rd by a SAC or SF or a hit to the right side. Then we have a runner on 3rd with 1 out. They now have to play in to prevent the runner from scoring. That’s the pressure on the defense we have lacked. We lack the speed to get that done. Even if its a guy on the bench who can’t hit a lick. As long as he steals bases, then we turn the tables. If you notice, the pitcher did not give KJ a 2nd look because he’s not a threat.

Anders,

An internet freak like you would have found an internet kiosk if the Mets were not choking. You are full of shyte.

Shaun,

Please hit the hibernate button on the side of your head.

By chrisklob

September 30, 2007 12:15 AM | Link to this

Lew, you’re right about Seth. But I do remember a conversation I had with him when he played here back in ‘01 about guys getting hit. He confirmed what we already knew; sometimes guys get hit intentionally. However, when it’s unintentional, some very small acknowledgement is made to “apologize” for it. Of course, that was in A ball and things may be different in the bigs.

I heard Peter Gammons talking on ESPN radio the other day. He basically said it was crap that Pujols was intentionally hit during a tight pennant race. Since the suspension was rescinded it kind of makes him look like an idiot for saying that.

Hope you’re doing well. I know you’re up to your eyes in Wurlitzer assignments. I hope you were able to use some of the photos that I sent you earlier.

By TampaBrave

September 30, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this

Redman wins 5 IP 7 H 1ER 8Ks

Scott Kazmir is very unhappy in Tampa with the management. Damn good lefty.

By Anders

September 30, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

KC You realize Glavine has a players option at $13 mil for next year based on innings pitched this year? Do you think the Braves will match it? After the last two negotiations I don’t see him letting JS off the hook on the cheap.

By KC

September 30, 2007 12:47 AM | Link to this

Anders:

Many seemingly quite credible reports have indicated that Glavine was more than ready the offer a price break to Atlanta last winter… but those negotiations never took place because the Braves were unable to free up space in time to make an offer.

A couple of Glavines Mets teammates have said this year that he would have taken a pay cut to return to Atlanta.

Will that be any different this winter? He’ll be 42, and if he’s not heading into the last year of his career… it’ll probably be the next to last.

It certainly seems (based on the things reported over the last 10 months) that Glavine really wants to play at home, with more time to spend with family and sleep in his own bed, and wants to finish out in a Braves uniform.

Anyway, to answer your question… no, I don’t think the Braves will match 13 million for Glavine. There’s no way he’s worth that amount. But I could see the Braves offering 10 million. And I could see Glavine opting out of 13 mill in NY to play for 10 at home in Atlanta.

By uga-brave

September 30, 2007 12:50 AM | Link to this

gators’\

tebow bite my a*

By Anders

September 30, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

TampaBrave Actually they’ve invented the Laptop, however sometimes business takes precedent over pleasure. Other than a few innings at the sports books in Vegas I didn’t even see the Mets while I was away. I have no idea what you do for a living but someday you might have a grown up job that requires you to travel and entertain customers, negotiate contracts etc and you’ll understand that you don’t always have the time to blog while away on business. Christ, the grand blog master who runs this space hasn’t had time to update it since Thursday and I’m full of Shyte? BTW- You want Kazmir? Say goodbye to Escobar plus. Is Kazmir another player dying to play in Atlanta? Talk about full of Shyte - you guys keep feeding it to each other on all these players the Braves are going to get for nothing.

By KC

September 30, 2007 1:14 AM | Link to this

Anders: Yeah… I don’t see the D-Rays giving up Kazmir.

By Anders

September 30, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this

KC Personally, the Braves can have him. I hope he does opt out. I don’t think he can win 15 games anymore because of his age and the changed strike zone etc. Plus he’s painful to watch. He’s not much less agonizing to watch pitch than Traschel. His games really drag. I agree that he’d love to pitch in Atlanta but I think JS will have to do the begging this time. Especially after outing Glavine in his book. Even the meek Glavine has some pride.

By jbutler

September 30, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this

Paladin Many thanks for the filter on the blog. All the things the Fat Lady is now being required to do other than sing…well- she must be getting tired.

I was laughing at the irony of the Rox game tonight. My cousin is the play by play announcer for the KC Royals- he told me Redman was dead weight when the Braves picked him up earlier this year. So…Braves fall out of contention, as the Rox (i.e. Redman’s new team!!) climb back in. Who pitched a great game tonight for the Rox??? Yep. M.R.

By David O'Brien

September 30, 2007 2:02 AM | Link to this

Painful to watch? He’s not much less agonizing to watch pitch than Trachsel? I don’t think he can win 15 games anymore because of his age?

Anders, do you even give 2 seconds of thought to any of this garbage before you type it? I mean, seriously.

You must really be convinced he’s leaving the Mets for the Braves, since you’re clearly trying to downplay the departure even before it’s announced. Whatever. The NY papers all wrote a few weeks ago how Glavine was the difference this year between the Braves losing the NL East and the Mets winning it, but you’ve obviously got a different view.

Can’t win 15 anymore because of his age, huh?

He’s going for his 14th win tomorrow, and just went 5-0 with a 2.66 ERA and nine quality starts in a 10-start span from July 25 to Sept. 14.

That span included a no-decision on Aug. 28 when he threw seven scoreless innings. And a no-decision on Sept. 14 when he allowed two runs and five hits in 7-2/3 innings.

And it included an Aug. 11 no-decision when he allowed two runs in 6-1/3 innings. And a July 31 no-decision when he allowed one run and two hits in six innings….

That’s four potential wins if the Mets scored any runs while he was in.

But you don’t think he can win 15 anymore? Yeah, good point, Anders. Good point.

By KC

September 30, 2007 2:46 AM | Link to this

Anders: I think DOB already answered your incapable-of-15-wins comment… but JS would have to “beg” Glavine???

Get real.

Everyone, including Glavine knows what the situation was, and Schuerholz has gone out of his way to make sure of it.

JS has outright stated that Glavine was the Braves #1 off-season target last winter, and they were trying hard to clear salary room for him. Glavine knows that.

TG wants to play in Atlanta, and it’s a near certainty that the Braves want him here. It’s just a matter of whether Glavine’s willing to take that pay cut he was rumored to be open to last winter.

If TG’s willing to take 9-10 instead of 13… he’ll be a Brave. It’s as simple as that. There are no burned bridges there. None whatsoever.

By Serbok

September 30, 2007 3:59 AM | Link to this

Julia Another Idiot? or just another coward? The poster obviousley is a male poster I’m sorry I really just do not understand why ppl, dont have the baseballs to identify who they really are? I see them with some sort of sardonic grin on their face when they hit the post button? I have the Baseballs to be me! If one of you fearful ppl would just let me know WHY you are afraid to post under a moniker that would be identifiable to the rest of the blog, I might be able to understand? I am more than ready to listen! I just dont get it! It almost seems sick, please? someone explain this to me?

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 30, 2007 4:10 AM | Link to this

I think that most of us are all but certain that Glavine will be a Brave in 2008. If the impending trade of Renteria brings another quality arm , the Mets and Phillies are going to be chasing us next year. I’m already incredibly optimistic about next year. John Schuerholz just has to play his cards right. Can anybody believe this crazy finish for the wild card and two N.L. divisions ? It’s insane. We could have a tie in both divisions and the wild card after playing 162 games. If both the Mets and Phillies win they finish 89-73 and tied for the N.L East division. If Colorado beats beats Arizona , the Rockies finish 89-73 . If San Diego wins , both the Padres and Diamondbacks finish 90-72 tied for the N.L West division. Who wins the wild card if the Mets , Phillies and Rockies all finish 89-73 ? I bet Bud Selig is going insane.

By //////////Berigan\\\\\\\\\\

September 30, 2007 5:57 AM | Link to this

Coach,

You ain’t just whistling dixie!!! Lets hope for some of this madness after tomorrow!!!!

NL could be in playoff tiebreakers until Thursday By Jayson Stark ESPN.com (Archive)

Updated: September 28, 2007, 3:15 AM ET Comment Email Print If you think the National League standings are making you blind, it could easily get worse.

Try looking at the tiebreaker scenarios.

ONE-GAME PLAYOFFS Potential tiebreaker matchups based on coin flips: NL WILD CARD Philadelphia at San Diego San Diego at Colorado Philadelphia at Colorado Arizona at San Diego Arizona at Colorado Arizona at Philadelphia San Diego at New York New York at Colorado

NL EAST NY Mets at Philadelphia

NL WEST San Diego at Arizona Colorado at Arizona Colorado at San Diego

If four teams in the East and West finish the season with the same record, we predict business will be booming at all kinds of ophthalmologists’ offices near you.

Among the fun possibilities if that happens: The Padres theoretically could play in Milwaukee on Sunday, in Arizona on Monday, in San Diego on Tuesday, in Philadelphia on Wednesday, back in San Diego on Thursday and then in New York on Friday.

But dont write any of that in ink. This is such a mess, MLB had to declare Thursday “Emergency Coin Flip Day,” because let’s just say some of these matchups didn’t look quite this likely a couple of weeks ago.

Ready for the most crazed scenarios? All right, here goes:

Four-team craziness: If the two NL East teams and the top two NL West teams all tie: Just for the sake of discussion, let’s say the Mets, Phillies, Padres and Diamondbacks finish with the same record. Here’s how that would work:

• The Mets and Phillies play a one-game playoff Monday in Philadelphia to decide the NL East.

• The Padres and Diamondbacks play a one-game playoff Monday in Arizona to decide the NL West.

• The losers then play Tuesday to decide the wild card. A Diamondbacks-Phillies game would be played in Philadelphia. A Padres-Phillies game would be in San Diego. And if the Mets are involved, they would play Arizona or San Diego at home, but they would have to go to Coors Field if they wind up playing it off with Colorado. Amazingly, the Mets and D-backs didn’t find any of that out until Thursday, because back when the original wild-card scenarios were determined, nobody at MLB apparently envisioned that those scenarios would include New York or Arizona. Uh, oops. So a whole lot of frantic coin-flipping went on Thursday to sort all this out.

More four-team craziness: If two NL West teams and the two NL East teams all have the same record: • It’s still possible that the Phillies, Mets, Padres and a fourth team (either the Diamondbacks or Rockies but not both) could all have the same record. But that creates two different scenarios — one if there is a tie for the NL West title, another if the NL West clubs finish tied for second (and the wild card).

• If there’s a tie for both the NL West and NL East titles, there would be tiebreaker games Monday in Philadelphia and San Diego.

• Then the two losers would meet Tuesday. Here are the sites of those potential games:

• Phillies-Padres in San Diego

• Phillies-Rockies in Colorado

• Phillies-Diamondbacks in Philadelphia

• Mets-Padres in New York

• Mets-Rockies in Colorado

• Mets-Diamondbacks in New York

• But if the two teams tied in the NL West finish second, we have a whole different game plan. The only similarity is that the Phillies and Mets would play Monday in Philadelphia to sort out the NL East.

• The loser then would then move on to a three-team wild-card tournament that would work the way we laid it out above. But here is how baseball would decide which team would get the option of one road game or two home games

• In an Arizona-San Diego-New York three-way: Diamondbacks.

• In a Colorado -San Diego-New York three-way: Rockies.

• In an Arizona-San Diego-Philadelphia three-way: Diamondbacks.

• In a Colorado-San Diego-Philadelphia three-way: Rockies.

So that’s the lay of this goofy land. Everybody have it all straight now? You’d better. There will be a quiz in the morning.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008))

September 30, 2007 6:13 AM | Link to this

Mother of God , Berigan. My head hurts just trying to read Stark’s article. It’s pure madness , absolutely freaking bonkers !

By Gordon

September 30, 2007 6:36 AM | Link to this

Druw can’t stay here. He can’t stay here. Druw can’t stay here. He can’t stay here.

There were fans with forgiveness in the field that we share.

But the basepaths are emptied of whatever was there.

There were bleachers of patience, there were dugouts of care.

But whoever came calling found nobody there.

After today.

After today…

Consider him gone.

By sm

September 30, 2007 8:01 AM | Link to this

Can Escobar play center?

By Julia

September 30, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

Serbok, h-o-n-e-y, are you saying you think the real Julia Roberts is not posting here? Are you suggesting a beautiful Hollywood actress would not soil this baseball b-l-o-g? And that she has no BASEBALLS? You, sir, are a crafty one. You are trying to draw Julia into a compromising position where you may take advantage of her good nature. Why don’t you settle down with a nice SHRIMP SAMMICH instead? Yes, Serbok, you are very crafty. I must keep my good eye on you.

By Paladin

September 30, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

well “Serbok”, Let me tell you what “sickens” me. PPl like you who throw around terms like “coward”. Why is it any less cowardly to post under one “assumed” name than it is to post under several. Yes, I recognize “Serbok” but that doesn’t mean I know you or anything about you.

People who hide behind monikers to attack others(Such as Stinky’s attacks on jjs)are one thing; but playing around with your friends is entirely another.

Anyway, if I have issues with you I’ll be using “Paladin” for all that tells you.

By Mr. Secret Agent 009

September 30, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Esteemed Paladin I agree with you completely. You are right. Now, away I go for my breakfast muffin.

By The Rules of The Vampire Serbok

September 30, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

No actor on Saturday Night Live shall ever play a character. All actors on Saturday Night Live shall deliver all jokes as stand up comedians. No more characters. No more skits. These be the rules of the Vampire Serbok.

By Mr. Fly (Sleuth Reporter)

September 30, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Sheesh. Am I the only one around here that actually uses my real name and my occupation for all to see? Humans are so funny, posting under assumed names and all. It’s just good fun, that’s all Mr. Serbok (is that a real name?). I guess your moniker just flies in the face of anonimity criticism. Or, uh…the other way around.

I’m currently having breakfast in Houston, but will soon investigate and report an inside story for the final day of the Braves season. No October…so sad.

My, how time flies. Later. Gotta fly.

By The Rules of The Vampire Serbok

September 30, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

South Park shall be hereby canceled. No more cartoons. No more satire. No more Cartman. No more Kenny. Trey Parker and Matt Stone shall deliver any jokes they care to share as stand up comedians in their own name. These be the rules of The Vampire Serbok.

By The Rules of The Vampire Serbok

September 30, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

NBC shall hereby change the name of My Name Is Earl.

My Name Is Earl shall now be known as My Name Is Jason Lee.

These be the rules of The Vampire Serbok.

By The Rules of The Vampire Serbok

September 30, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Serbok shall man up and provide his real name. No more of the Serbok stage name.

By Stinky

September 30, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

What about Paladins that attack Carolina Lady?

By Lew

September 30, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

Mr.Fly-I always use my real name. Even Stinky will tell you that. You’ve just got to realize that Serbok lives in Ft. Myers, Fl. He blogs in the middle of the night because there is absolutely nothing else to do in Ft. Myers except to be a Bucs fan. From personal experience, being a Bucs’ is an even more fruitless undertaking than being a Mets’ fan. The boy is just bored and is trying to shake up the other Vampires.

By Paladin

September 30, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

What about Paladins that attack Carolina Lady?

That, Dear Friends, is from the same “Stinky” who accused me of “cheap shots”. IF an attack has ever been made on CL by a “Paladin” it was when some lowdown sob like you “borrowed” the name.

By Paladin

September 30, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Lew Stinky uses his real name, too.

By Mr. Fly (Sleuth Reporter)

September 30, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Serbok from Ft. Myers? Oh…my friend SG was born there. Lived near Thomas Edison’s winter home he did. Yes, there are some that use real names. Journalists Jimmy and Bob, Lew, Chris, Wayne, David O’Brien and, oh…many others. Me too…Mr. Fly. Mr. Fly likes most bloggers, whether they use real names or not.

Mr. Fly will be sad to see Mr. Biggio play his last game today, but it will be a safer neighborhood for his Houston relatives. Many have been stuck like a tarbaby on Craig’s sticky batting helmet. Oh, the futility!

By Stinky

September 30, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Methinks Paladin dost protest too much.

By Braveheart

September 30, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Jeff Schultz deserves a big wow for his job with DHall. Imagine not having to say anything bad about a player. Just let the idiot ramble on and hang himself. I’m 23 years old and accomplished so much? What? Getting burnt all over the field? What a joke. Cut the bum. The season is lost anyway. You can finish last with him, you can finish last without him. You can get burnt all over the field with him, you can get burnt all over the field without him.

By David O'Brien

September 30, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

NEW BLOG IS UP. Yes, a Sunday morning blog. Unprecedented.

By Paladin

September 30, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

S-T-I-N-K-Y A stupid person’s idea of a clever person.

By Tom Robinson

September 30, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Game seven of the world series, Bottom of the ninth, Braves down by 1, two outs, winning run on second.

WHo do you want coming up? Andruw Jones or a player with heart, desire and that intangible: performing in the clutch.

There are some that can deliver, and there are some that won’t

Andruw is a Won’t

But that is because he is managed by Bobby Cox, an underchiever Hall of Fame manager. He supplanted Gene Mauch

By daxxed

October 3, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

There are three reasons the Braves did not make the playoffs. Their inability to play small ball to bring in winning runners at third at home in 7 losses, or tie road games in 8 losses. Cox leaving AJ at clean up although he was not hitting as one. And then it all fell on AJ. His in ability to drive in runners as the clean up hitter, his propensity to hit into inning ending, rally killing, game losing double plays, and finally when a pitcher knows that he does not have to make good pitches to CJ because AJ was coming up and was almost a guaranteed out, why chance it.

If AJ would have been on of the reasons the Braves made the play offs then I think the Braves may have made the moves to keep him, but since he was one of the major reason they did not and prepared for the future with Tex…

Let Him GO!

He may turn into the next David Justice or Jermain Dye, or he may become the next Jeff Blauser or Javy Lopez.

I bet he will be the next Javy…

2 and done…

By daxxed

October 3, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

How about teaching Escobar how to play Center. He has the speed, the arm and the ability to learn. That way ER will still be here o cover Short.

By Vinny Vegas

October 4, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

By Vinny Vegas September 28, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this (1)Bet on Andruw signing elsewhere.

My 1st prediction out of 10 from days ago posted on here has come true. As each one comes true I will re-post them to remind each and every one of you I DO know what I am talking about. For some reason if one does not come true I will be man enough to post it also. Don’t bet on one not coming true though.

Common sense goes a long way with these predictions where so many fans only see as far as they want to see and not how it should be viewed.

No prediction on this blog for my W.S. winner. That is for me to know and collect my winnings. Grieve on.