Braves

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 17, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Welcome back Mr. Obrien….

By bruce

September 17, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Dave, I guess our darn good blown save record is more a tribute to the huge number of games lost by one or two runs in which we did not tie or get ahead so that a save or blown save could be possible. Certainly different from last year in the first half when blown saves were our hot button. Thanks for helping us cool off after being so hopeful for so long, we can more readily ease into winter now… I am sad to say. Thanks, Bruce

By Adirondackdave

September 17, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Looks to me like JS needs to get us 2 starters, a near-ace and an innings-eater journeyman who can realistically rack up 12-14 wins. Everything else is secondary because the other needs are less crucial and we can fill them in-house if absolutely necessary. I also think hiring Tex long-term will be more important than resigning AJ, as much as I like him in the outfield.

By Anders

September 17, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

DOB The Braves news keeps getting further and further down the page on these blogs. Truly the definition of irrelevance. Mets go 7-7 the rest of the way and the Phils have to go 10-3. I think they’ll be fine - even without any games against the Braves left on their schedule. Remember there are no style points in MLB. Just ask last years Redbirds. And Please don’t hold the Braves 1-14 track record against the Mets. We only won one division title lately and came within a game of getting to the WS. Give us at least a second chance before you lump us in with the Braves futility.

By Jobu

September 17, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

The blown save statistic is kind of a dumb one since its possible to have more than one blown save in a game, yet not possible to have more than one save. I’d be more interested in seeing the %’s of games lost in the 9th inning. Atleast when you blow a save in the 7th or 8th inning, you still have time to come back.

By DAP

September 17, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

those are mind-blowing stats on chipper. its just too bad we have to go back so far to include 162 games. maybe next year will be the year for no freak injuries to chipper, and he will win the MVP again! he certinly is capable, if he can play.

By NCBravesFan

September 17, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

DOB I agree with everything you said about the Mets … except I wonder if it’s just an issue where the Phils have their number? Also, St Louis looked awful last year at the end, and they caught a hot streak in the playoffs.

My hope is that the Mets will fold completely and miss the playoffs. The thought of those awful audio blurbs blasting away in October in that pathetic stadium of theirs makes me want to book a four-week trip to Remotistan!

By Adirondackdave

September 17, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

By the way, Dave, do you have a list of prospective free-agent starters this off-season? I realize trading is more likely than going the FA route.

By Robert

September 17, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Shaun - Cox decided on his guys sometime during the off-season. He then went with them until way past the point that change needed to be instituted

In past years, maybe it wasnt with a guy hitting .340

In the past, he went with the wrong closer for too long

Or with the wrong guy in the wrong spot in the lineup for too long (multiple times, including with a leadoff hitter)

This was the same old Bobby Cox.

Set in his ways

Unable to learn

Unwilling to adapt

He has been managing the same way since his days with Toronto

By Shaun

September 17, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Gotta get some free plugs until it annoys somebody. At least it’s in the context of discussions on the blog.

By Robert

September 17, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

“wondering how the Phillies keep doing it - how do they keep beating the Mets in crucial series down the stretch?”

DOB - could the fact that the Phillies dont have an idiot managing the team have ANYTHING to do with things?

By flange1

September 17, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Thanks for the new blog!

2 things I read online about the Braves today from papers out of Richmond:

1. Liberty might actually cut spending on the Braves instead of raising spending. Other than this article, I have not heard anything to that effect, you?

2. More speculation of Andruw signing a 1 year deal to regenerate his worth. Again, I have heard nothing on this but rumors for awhile, any thoughts?

Thanks!

By KC

September 17, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

A couple of thoughts on what I’d like to see over the last couple weeks of this season:

#1: REYES, NOT CARLYLE!!!! There is 0 chance that Buddy Carlyle will be in this rotation next season… and even if there were still a realistic shot at the post-season THIS year, JoJo Reyes is a better option. Reyes is wild and inexperienced… but he has a great deal more talent and ability than Carlyle.

Reyes has dominated minor-league hitters so convincingly of late… we have to take the opportunity over the next couple weeks to see what he’s got.

#2: Rest Brian McCann a bit. There’s nothing left to play for. No sense in wearing him down and risking a major injury that could affect him long-term.

#3: I’d like to see Chuck James start experimenting more with a 3rd pitch RIGHT NOW. Take this opportunity. Spring starts now.

#4: Let’s see plenty of Acosta, Ring, Ascanio, and Devine. Time to start auditioning for next year’s pen.

By ncscoots

September 17, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Course, the Braves might not have needed to score a few runs from the 7th on, if pitchers hadn’t been coughing up leads and hairballs every time the offense scored three in their half.

Was that negative enough? Can I join the chorus now, LOL? Just wanted to show my bud nathan I haven’t forgotten how :-)

By Arkansas Hillbilly

September 17, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Grinch, It all breaks down like this. The first half, we tried to fool Bama into thinking we were diverse and could pass the ball on 1st down instead of handing the ball to one of the two 1,000 yard rushers in the backfield. Since that didn’t work, most of the second half consisted of putting the ball in the hands of a legitimate heisman candidate who ran his a$$ off when given the chance. In turn, we took the lead on an increadible comeback that would soon be forgotten. With four minutes left and the ball in our possession, we go 3 and out with our 3rd string RB in the game, (that’s right, McFadden AND Felix Jones on the #%&*ing sideline) Bama got the ball and drove down the field by making our secondary look like the playground team with the last pick at recess. Bad coaching and questionable calls aside, the secondary lost that game. Good luck.

By Adirondackdave

September 17, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t it be sweet to see Chipper win the batting title? What a fine all-around player this guy has been since he came up. The injuries are unfortunate for the club and him but they are exaggerated in the context of his 10 or so prior injury-free seasons. Though I do recall him missing an entire season with a broken leg (?) which would have been his rookie year.

If Chipper doesn’t win the BA title maybe Edgar can. Consolation prizes to be sure but, hey, the statistics and the awards make baseball special in my mind.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 17, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

A beautiful day here in the Old Dominion. Now a little more baseball. It was not just the Braves minor league club I watched on Saturday. The Bulls,Tampa Bay’s minor league affiliate had a young righty on the mound for the first game that looked really good. His name was Jae Kuk Ryu, a 23 year old from South Korea. He pitched a great game for the first six innings giving up only two hits, a pair of doubles in the first that led to one rune. He had a decent fastball and two different off speed pitches that made the Braves hitters look absolutely bad.

Another good looking young player from the Tampa organization was a right handed outfielder by the name of Justin Ruggiano. He hit .309 for the season and hit two opposite field blast that were no doubters. Richmond pitched around him with men on base after his first homerun.

By brian

September 17, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

I know this is a Braves blog, but good point DOB on the Falcons. As much as they are reminded about trading away Favre, they had to be kicking themselves Sunday watching Shaub destroy division rival Carolina

By raymond brrrrr

September 17, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Dang, it’s cold! Someone get me a blanket.

By ernesto

September 17, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

It ain’t over til the Fat Lady mathematically eliminates you.

By Braveheart

September 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

With four minutes left and the ball in our possession, we go 3 and out with our 3rd string RB in the game, (that’s right, McFadden AND Felix Jones on the #%&ing sideline) Bama got the ball and drove down the field by making our secondary look like the playground team with the last pick at recess*

Hillbilly, I am a Bama fan. When Saban kicked that field goal with 4 minutes left I was angry as heck. I thought yeah right, they’re gonna stop McFadden and Jones. Then I saw a 3rd stringer in there and I jumped for joy. If McFadden played the last 4 minutes, there is no way Bama wins that game. Was he really that hurt? He did not seem to be. That man is a beast. He’s better than Adrian Peterson. Hopefully, the Falcons will get the #1 pick and get him. Not too smart getting a running back with the #1 pick but oh well. #1 picks are not all that great anyway. I loved Vick but I think I would like Tomlinson right about now although he has been awful the first 2 games himself. So as long as the Falcons are in the top 5 picks, I like my chances of getting McFadden. Maybe I’ll start watching again if they get him. Can’t watch this team this year. It is dreadful.

By KC

September 17, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

flange1:

I know you weren’t asking me, but…

I would bet any amount of money that Liberty will NOT be cutting spending. Schuerholz and Braves’ Prez, Terry McGuirk, have already said that he payroll definitely will not be going down.

Liberty’s interest in the Braves now is as an appreciating asset. The the only respect in which an MLB franchise can be seen a legitimate investment, is if you plan to “flip” it… because successful franchise appreciate in value at a very nice rate these days.

Liberty’s chief concern is making sure the value of this franchise is as high as it can be when in 4-5 years, when they are expected to resell the team.

That doesn’t mean they’re going to spend outrageously or anything close to it. They are not as motivated as a deep-pocketed private owner (like Ted Turner) would be to see this team win the World Series. Frankly, that may or may not affect the value of the team much at this point. BUT they certainly don’t want this trend of dormant Octobers to continue.

If the Braves franchise becomes seen as one that is in decline over the next few years… there’s little chance that it will continue to appreciate in value at the same clip it has over the last 16 years.

I’m no insider… but my bet would be that the payroll will be closer to 90 next year than the 80 million mark it’s been at in recent years.

As for Andruw signing a 1-year deal… ya know, that wouldn’t surprise me at all. Interesting thought. If it means spending money that might otherwise be spent on pitching… I hope it does NOT happen. But if it doesn’t affect the Braves’ pursuit of pitching… it might work well for everyone.

By Adirondackdave

September 17, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

there is the idea floating around that Andruw will sign a 1-year to re-establish his worth. Seems to me that it could also work the other way. Say he signs a one-year deal and does a repeat of ‘07. Could happen. Then what’s he worth? Those 50 RBIs in his glove won’t get him a big contract by themselves.

By Scalp 'Em Braves

September 17, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Afternoon all. Been reading DOB’s column here, but haven’t had time to scroll thru the hundreds of posts on a daily basis. Something about having a job, being busy, and not wanting to read the same old, same old as the team found just about every way possible to lose games.

It is good to see that some things never do change, Robert. Glad you are still pounding on that nail head for about the gazillionth time, which was driven in long ago. Once a nail is driven, no sense to keep beating on it with a hammer. It’s not going to go any farther in.

Tough year. I agree with KC on Reyes and McCann. Though no one wants to give the impression the team has mailed it in, we won’t make the playoffs under any circumstances (no Robert - we won’t make the playoffs even if Bobby is fired right now, though you might beg to differ). It is time to give some of the younger folks playing time. Let Chipper and Rent chase the batting title. No harm to be done there other than perhaps yet another pulled oblique or high ankle sprain.

As much as I have defended Druw in the past, here and elsewhere, its time to let him go. The fact that he absolutely refused to change his swing, approach, pitch selection, insistence on trying to pull everything, etc indicates that while he is nowhere near over the hill, he is just butt headed, or plain stupid. Let him go somewhere else, and have an incredible finish to his career. He needs a change of scenery and an incentive laden contract (not to mention a few swift and hard kicks in the rear) to get him going again.

And Grinch…. yes, I know we stunk it up bro. I would not have thought the Bulldogs we lost to would have been the leghumpers from Starkspatch. All is not lost, however. We still have thumpings to take from LSU, the Grators & the Hawgs before you guys get to sink your teeth in deep and shake us like a rag doll.

DOB - keep up the good work and informative posts. Its been tough on all of us. Better days are ahead (I know Robert, not until we fire Bobby and make you manager).

And the bleat goes on……

By Shaun

September 17, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Robert,

Really? He decided on Willie Harris in the off-season before he failed to make the club and went to the minors for the first month of the season? Guess he decided Harris was his lefty batting leftfielder before he was even called up, huh?

By Lee in S. GA

September 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

It ain’t over til the Fat Lady mathematically eliminates you.

The fat lady has been in Tennessee Vol country this weekend …… she will be back In Atlanta by weeks end.

By Kentavo

September 17, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Let’s see, last season it was the bullpen (primarily) to blame, but really the starting pitching beyond Smotlz, James and sometimes Hudson sucked. So they “fixed” the bullpen. You would have to say that the ‘pen would have been dramactically improved even without the subtractions of Gonzo and Wickfat. Offense isn’t really the problem, but the style of offense is. If the Braves remove Renteria from the lineup, I do see problems, despite Escobar’s ability. Edgar, along with Chip and Tex (and sometimes McCann), is really the only guy on the roster with an intelligent approach to hitting. Diaz is entertaining, but he’s not really fundamentally sound if he keeps swinging at first pitches. And Frenchy is definitely improved.

Getting rid of A. Jones would be addition by subtraction, in my opinion. So, I think you’ve got to get a contact hitting CF with a high onbase percentage if we’re going to lose Edgar. Or convice Edgar to play 2B and put KJ back in the outfield. Brandon Jones is a bit scary if you look at his strikeout totals. Why are strikeouts tolerated so much in the development phase? Do double digit homers and 80-plus rbis really negate all of the whiffs?

By Bob, Journalist

September 17, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

KC … it’s not that I disagree with any of your logic … but, were it my call, I wouldn’t want them packing it in until they’re eliminated … methinks that’s a bad and confusing message to send to the young players, regardless of the logic … we can sit back in our easychairs and play business baseball but I’d rather the boy’s kept on keeping on.

I frequently hiccup when getting in the hot tub ‘cause I am subconsciously afraid of the water, or so they tell me … but, while I usually don a safety jacket before getting in a boat, I don’t pull the inflation flap while I’m on board and we’re still afloat.

I’m tired … yall take care!

By Chop Chop

September 17, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Robert,

You think Charlie Manuel isn’t an idiot? What has that bum ever won? Ol’ Charlie just has a talented team with a lot of guts. If the Phils relied on Charlie Manuel to win games, they’d have no shot.

By KC

September 17, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

THIS WINTER:

Flange1 brings up a very interesting possibility… Andruw re-signing a 1-year deal to get his value back up before pursuing a multi-year deal. Not at all far-fetched.

But as I stated a moment ago… if it gets in the way of pursuing pitching, I don’t want him back.

I’ve mentioned numerous times that I think there’s a good possibility of Glavine returning to Atlanta next season. More the one person has responded “no, we need to add someone younger”.

I agree that the best scenario is for the Braves to pull off a trade for a solid starter who can help them over the next several years. But first of all, that may not be possible. Starters that fit that description aren’t exactly a dime a dozen.

Personally, I want to see the Braves trade for a quality starter AND sign Glavine. Then you start the season with an overstocked rotation. You’ve got Hampton projected as your 5th starter next year… and Chuck James starting the season as a long-reliever. If anything happens, James can step right in, and you’d also have Cormier and Reyes at AAA.

I’d like to see that happen before the Braves ever even consider center-field. UNLESS there’s an opportunity to get a speedy leadoff guy in CF.

After watching the Mets and Phillies manufacture runs this years in ways we’re incapable of doing… I really want to see the Braves add a guy like a Ryan Freel in center.

As for the bullpen… do all you can to re-sign Mahay. Other than that, they’re all set.

By AZBravoFan

September 17, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

DOB: Ugly Andruw stats. But I heard an even uglier one on TBS yesterday. Since the All-Star Break he’s hitting .107 with 2 outs and RISP! Yikes. And how many of those were in the late innings in crucial situations? Talk about a rally killer. The other beautiful stat was RBI since the All-Star Break: Tim Hudson - 7. Braves pinch-hitters - 4. Where have you gone Daryl Ward?

By The Grinch

September 17, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Scalp ‘em, you know that’s not how it works. Traditionally, when you guys are down and we’re up we’d chug along and get in the top 10 and then overlook you and lose. Such is also the case in reverse. However, we ain’t lookin’ all that great this year either (record notwithstanding, there’s something shaky about this team) so who knows. Logic in this series dictates the road team wins, which means you guys. But then, that probably means the reverse will happen since I said so, or something. Hope that clears things up. :-)

Hillbilly, thanks for the breakdown; I missed about 2/3rds of that game.

Shaun, I agree it wasn’t all Bobby’s fault, and said so in a post last night. I think if we either had starting pitching and a good year from Jones, or good managing, we would have made the playoffs. It took a combination of all to create this debacle. I had just never heard you admit before that Bobby ever made a mistake. Of course it’s not all his fault; he doesn’t tell starters 3-5 to suck. However, there’s a hell of a lot he could have done and didn’t and shouldn’t have done and did; I’m just saying it’s a collaborative effort.

By flange1

September 17, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

KC,

Always appreciate your input! I tend to agree with your logic on both issues, I can’t imagine Liberty cutting payroll, it would only devalue their asset.

In terms of AJ, while I am a major fan, I think it is time for him to move on. I would rather spend his money on pitching and Tex.

I just thought both of those articles were interesting because they were so contrary to everything we have heard lately. I think both were in Richmond newspapers. Let me try to find links…

By Arkansas Hillbilly

September 17, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

McFadden suffered a concussion which isn’t surprising considering the hits he was taking, and dishing out for that matter. Besides that he ran the ball 33 times. The man is truly a beast, but that was 33 rushes for 195 yards that he took a lot of punishment to earn. Now I don’t know what the deal was with Jones. Haven’t heard why he wasn’t on the field.

By flange1

September 17, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

I can’t use this link thing, but here is the link on both stories, you will have to copy and paste. Sorry!

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/sports/baseball.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2007-09-17-0098.html

By bravesedandconfused

September 17, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Maybe Boras will include AJ’s stats when facing that super-fancy batting cage he has that we’ve heard so much about the last 2 years.

DOB, “But it’s hard to put blame for the Braves’ late-season mediocrity at the feet of their third baseman, who’s played 79 of the past 84 games.” ..mediocrity…feet…(Chipper)…..was that on purpose?

funny either way.

By Richmond

September 17, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

DOB (or ANYBODY!): Can you tell me what exactly Brayan Pena ever did to make the Braves feel as if they can’t trust him behind the plate anymore?? I understand fully that they’ve been trying him at other positions to increase his versatility, but that doesnt mean the man still cant catch! He’s been catching for yrs. He lost his job b/c a backswing put him on the DL, and after Salty was gone they called up Miller instead of Pena?? Thats no way to treat a guy who’s attitude is every manager’s dream- and a guy who has consistently hit .300 in the minors, has very good speed, is a switch hitter, and can play numerous positions. If B.P. isnt on the opening day roster next yr, something is seriously wrong and/or unfair. Nobody said he’s Johnny Bench, but he’s a solid # 2 catcher- and that he can also play other positions should only make him more valuable, but it shouldnt take away from his opportunity to spell BMac. DOB, please enlighten me….

By beachcomber

September 17, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

KC - Good points in your post about dormant Octobers - often the difference between black and red on the bottom line are post season revenues. Liberty certainly understands that.

Gil - About Ryu. He was up with the Rays earlier in the year and couldn’t get the batboy out, but again he’s only 23. The Rays have a knack for screwing up talented young pitchers, so we’ll see.

Must have been an exciting few days in your neighborhood!

By Stu

September 17, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

I believe the sale of the Braves to Liberty was contingent on an agreement that Liberty would not reduce the payroll, and that the number used as the benchmark was something like $87.3 m. So it seems the question is not whether they’ll cut it, just whether they’ll raise it.

By Anders

September 17, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Richmond Word has it that the Braves think Pena is another Johnny Bench. Unfortunately it’s the present day Johnny Bench.

By hk

September 17, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

… Tex moving up in ‘MVP’

Projected R - HR - RBI - Last - Now

Chipper - 104 - 28 - 99 - 232 -232

Teixeira - 85 - 27 - 100 - 205 - 212

Frenchy - 84 - 21 - 105 - 206 - 210

Andruw - 83 - 26 - 96 - 207 - 204

Johnson - 94 - 17 - 74 - 185 - 185

McCann - 54 - 20 - 96 - 171 - 170

Renteria - 88 - 12 - 58 - 168 - 158

Diaz - 43 - 13 - 47 - 106 - 103

Harris - 60 - 2 - 34 - 95 - 96

Team Average - - - - 174 - 170

http://www.mindspring.com/~hk3/newton.htm

… here’s a comparison of SEC vs ACC vs Big 10, etc, based on Associated Press raw scores:

http://www.mindspring.com/~hk3/div2007.xls

By ncscoots

September 17, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

KC, could we get you to hold down the mentions of Tom Glavine to, oh, say, every third post or so? LOL

You want him back, we got it. Really. Seriously. We do. Honest.

By Tomahawkin

September 17, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Good 411 D.O.B., I figured all those stats from da seventh inning-on were that abysmal…Wonder why our record in one run games sucks…Any way we can get Tori Hunter in da offseason…I think it might be lil too early to ask dat question, but maybe after its over it would be a good blog topic….

Gotta give a shout out to Coach are u as pis—d off about dem braves as I am? biggest underachievers in da N.L…..Uh Oh Gotta go to class, I will be listenng to some R. Kelly, and Jeezy “Go Getta” Chicks love dat song…

By Braves20

September 17, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Lets just wish AJ well at the end of the season in Boston, Frisco, LAA - wherever.

Simpson had a great line yesterday about Boras saying you need to ignore this season and focus on Andruw’s “body of work” over the years. Somehow he didn’t make that argument when he was pedaling the one-year wonder Adrian Beltre.

Oh by the way, maybe JS did know more than the rest of us concerning McKay McBride, his ERA has soared past the six mark and climbing.

By ncscoots

September 17, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Speaking of the Rays (if obliquely), what finally happened with Elijah Dukes? Is he even still in their organization? Or did he just completely go gang-banger?

By The Grinch

September 17, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Stu, your name reminded me of something. I was in the car earlier and 680 the fan wasn’t working for some reason, so I went over to 790. Have any of you ever had the misfortune to have to listen to the Two Live Stews? Talking about the Falcons today it sounded something like (keep in mind, this all was shouted in a Chris Rock style at about 90 decibles):

Awww, HELL naw! See, Y’all be callin’ up in heah bringin’ dis “De problem be de offensive LINE” mess when it’s been de zack same one dat done been up in heah fo’ de last 5 years! De problem is yo’ new boy behind center! J-Hizzle be holdin’ onto do rock all day and not gettin’ rid of it like he posed to! Look at dat boy from BC Saturday, he drop three steps and den’ let that bee-yotch FLY! Fo rizzle!”

I’m not saying I don’t agree with them, mind you; I just couldn’t help but think that Vick could listen to them without a translator and that’s part of the reason he wasn’t ever able to endear himself with the public more than he did.

Time to get some work done.

By beachcomber

September 17, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

ncscoots - Dukes remains in limbo. Every one in the know says he’ll never play for the Rays again.

The past week’s St. Pete Times had, I think, two stories regarding his domestic troubles. Sad. But then Josh Hamilton surprised everybody this year.

By The Grinch

September 17, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

HK, that was a good graph, but where do you get off leaving out the MAC, WAC and Sun-belt? :-)

T’hawkin’! I bring up the Two Live Stews and probably the only other person besides me who understands them pops up! How were them Ramen noodles the other night?

By Scalp 'Em Braves

September 17, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

KC:

Agree with you on a “speedy” center fielder who can get on base. However, the only way I go with Freel is if he is covered head to toe in bubble wrap every game. He’s a train wreck waiting to happen. Hustle is one thing, and an admirable quality. Thinking your body (irrestible force) can overcome the wall (immovable object) isn’t hustle - it’s … like one of my coaches used to tell (actually, he yelled it at us) “to make a mistake once is human. to make the same mistake a second time, and beyond, is just plain stupid - you guys are just too stupid to understand stupid, ya know?”

Torri Hunter (I know, he’ll be expensive), Mike Cameron (I know, light hitter), or, God forbid I bring up Rocco Baldelli, might fit the bill.

Giving Druw a one year contract at anything less than $7 - 8 million for one year would be foolish. I’d rather spend that money toward Hunter, or a decent starting pitcher.

By the way, is Hampton going to pitch in 2009 & 2010 for free, since he hasn’t done a damned thing to earn his check the last two years? Wishful thinking, I know.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

September 17, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

The fat lady has sung , taken her bow and exited stage left. Somebody drop the curtain so we can all go home.

By ncscoots

September 17, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

beachcomber, thanks, buddy. It’s too bad, Dukes can really play the game of baseball, but seems strictly low A at the game of life. On the surface of things, anyway. Who knows why people make such seemingly brutal mistakes?

Besides The Shadow, Bob, LOL.

By Robert

September 17, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Shaun - No, he didnt decide Harris was his leadoff hitter this offseason

But he DID decide that Andruw was his cleanup hitter - and didnt change until way too late

And he DID decide that Diaz wasnt a starter - and didnt change until it was too late

Just like in previous seasons he made and stuck too long with other decisions about other positions

Then, when he decided Harris was leadoff hitter, he didnt change until it was too late

He has done the same thing ever since he was in Toronto

It had never been regarding Willie Harris at leadoff before, but the style and principle are both longstanding

By hk

September 17, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Grinch …

… sorry, sloppy, I know :))

… couldn’t find the 2006 …

By Robert

September 17, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

“Robert,

You think Charlie Manuel isn’t an idiot?”

Dude, it’s all relative. Charlie Manuel is by no means a great manager. But compared to Bobby Cox, Charlie Manuel is Steven Hawking

By KC

September 17, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

nscoots: I just want the rotation fixed. Don’t care who it is, just so long as the meet the job requirements. I see TG as the one and only affordable way to add a quality starter via free agency without having to give up talent in return. But I’m cool with whoever can get the job done.

By David O'Brien

September 17, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Brandon Jones is back in the lineup in left field, and tomorrow he’ll travel to Oklahoma City for that one-game championship between Richmond and the PCL winner, then return to Atlanta on Wednesday….

Flange1, it’s just idle speculation on Andruw until we get into the offseason, but the one-year thing makes a lot of sense.

But until I start to hear what teams might be interested, that kind of thing, it’s just guessing. I intend to talk to Boras soon.

Andruw’s given no indication one way or another about taking or even considering such a deal, and even if Boras or Andruw were so inclined, they certainly wouldn’t admit as much at this stage of the game. They wouldn’t want teams to know that possibility even exists, if it does….

Chop Chop, that was funny about Manuel. I was thinking same thing, after hearing what is said about him in Philly, how he was booed lustily when the Braves were in town, and how so many up there regret they didn’t hire Leyland when they had a chance, etc.

Grass is always greener, isn’t it?

By The Grinch

September 17, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Robert, Stephen Hawking can’t pick his nose…one for Bobby’s side. :-)

By Savannah Guy

September 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Lew and Denizens Since I’ve been somewhat limited lately in my ability to hang consistently with you and the good denizens, I’ve missed the real-time repartee here. I’ve managed to keep up with the reading, though much of it a day or two after the fact. I’ve even resumed a little writing and blogging of late. Now Wurlitzer! Wow!!!

To find that I’ve just been awarded the Wurlitzer is a nice surprise and a distinct honor. Being in and out lately, I wasn’t really sure there had been an “official announcement” of the award or what the protocol might be around it, but I’ll now savor the moment.

Thank you Lew and thanks to the denizens who sent along kudos and congrats. That’s like icing on the Wurlitzer cake. The cherry on top was Carroll’s call out. The candles were lit and fanned by esteemed and good Cuz, Braveheart. I’m proud and humbled.

For my Wurlitzer portrait, I have a special Brave in mind: the one and only Hammerin’ Hank Aaron. Lew, I understand that you’re already working on a Hank portrait, so I suppose you’ll know his face even better by the time you get to mine. A 1966 image of Hank would be especially appreciated, here’s why:

In 1966, the Braves first year in Atlanta, when I was a little sports fan, my dad took me to a few games at then new Fulton County Stadium. During one particular game, my dad was given a Hank Aaron home run ball (as we know, Hank home run balls were not rare, but this one is priceless).

My Dad evidently knew someone in the Braves organization who, after giving him the ball right after the game ended, took him into the dugout and introduced him to Mr. Aaron. Hank graciously took time to chat with my father when he could have just scooted to the locker room. Then he autographed the fresh home run ball and gave it to Dad.

Afterwards, my father said something to effect of, “Hank was such a nice, regular guy”. We already knew Hank was a great ballplayer and a model sportsman. Details of the game itself are sketchy, due to certain preoccupation with peanuts, hot dogs or Cracker Jack (probably all three).

Anyway, I’ll never forget that memorable evening and the provenance behind that special Aaron baseball. My dad passed away many years ago, but that ball is more than a prized piece of sports memorabilia…it’s a reminder of Hank taking the time to talk to my Dad.

Hank’s Wurlitzer portrait and the autographed Aaron ball will be side by side as a tribute to not only Hank, one of the greatest players in the history of baseball (not just for his home runs), but as a reminder of my father as my little league coach, my number one Braves baseball fan and my hero.

Pardon me for going on so long here (not rare). It’s just that the memories of great times past and a simultaneous savoring of the present Wurlitzer have me in a very nice place at the moment.

By Chop Chop

September 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Yeah, DOB. Robert sure picks some strange managers to compare Bobby to. I think the general rule for an argument is to only give examples that support your particular side. I think Robert’s been going at this for so long that he’s got absolutely nothing left.

By Joe

September 17, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

I hope we find a way to bring Andruw back next year. I have no doubt that he’ll rebound. Despite hitting 75 or so points below golden boy Jeff F. (why didn’t we call for his and his .290ish OBP head last year?), he has only scored one less run than him and has only 9 fewer RBI’s. I think about these things, then I remember than many of us wanted (and might still) Chipper gone.

By Robert

September 17, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Did I ever say Charlie Manuel was great?

Bobby Cox is a total idiot. Charlie Manuel is not a total idiot.

By Robert

September 17, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop - Every manager not named Bobby Valentine or Mike Hargrove is an excellent one, when they are compared to Bobby Cox

Instead of ridiculing me for saying what I said regarding Manuel, why not analyze it and realize exaclty how bad it means Cox must be

Bobby Cox is THE worst manager of all time in any sport at any level.

Compared to him, everyone else is better.

And compared to him, Valentine and Hargrove are about the only two who dont look brilliant

By Robert

September 17, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

“Robert, Stephen Hawking can’t pick his nose…one for Bobby’s side. :-)”

That was good.

Cox does two things exceptionally well

He picks his nose with his hooves as well as any farm animal I have ever seen

And he looks absolutely awesome every time he leaves the stadium.

By David O'Brien

September 17, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

we’ve got two winless rookie lefties going tomorrow, and for once Jo-Jo’s got a statistical edge. Maybe. At least a little? Chris Seddon (0-0, 10.50 ERA in four games, one start) is going against Reyes (0-2, 7.75 ERA in eight games, seven starts).

I said a little edge.

By The Grinch

September 17, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Now would be a perfect time for Lew to pop up and say “Sorry; I never have been able to get Hank quite right. How about a nice Nick Esasky?” :-)

By Yars

September 17, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Do you think the reason the Braves are giving Brandon Jones a hard look right now is because there may be a chance they could use him as trade bait over the winter? Let’s say Andruw stays with Atlanta for the ‘08 season, where does B. Jones fit in? I get the feeling Harris will be gone. As for Diaz, who knows? I just hope the Braves keep KJ at 2B. Now Playing Everyday is Halloween by Ministry

By TennesseePaul

September 17, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Not sure I’d go with a 1 year deal for AJ. I think a lot of his failure stems from uncertainty of his future. I’m not sold that his performance would improve if he had to play another year for a contract. I expect pretty much the same, over compensation attempting to score a big paycheck.
After this season I’d image AJ is more signable for the Braves than previously thought. But I can never discount the ability of some team bidding against themselves in an effort to “make a splash”. For instance, last off season Gary Matthews Jr scored a 5 year 50 million dollar deal despite the fact that he had only one good season in his career and that was at the ripe old age of 31.
I suspect AJ will get a long term deal this offseason. Probably a very valuable one, despite this season. And I wouldn’t be surprised once he signs that deal that he relaxes and plays much better through that contract than he did this year.
But we’ll see for sure in a few months.

By David O'Brien

September 17, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

By the way, Skip Caray’s back doing game tonight. Had some serious health issues in past couple of weeks, spent a lot of time in hospital.

By brian

September 17, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

I would be very surprised if Andruw signs a 1 year deal. With someone like Boston, Anaheim, or maybe even the Yankees calling, I just do not see it. Yes it would be great for Andruw to sign a 1 year deal, have a great year, and then sign a huge contract. What happens if Andruw were to have a contract year next year like he did this year? Then it would be back to back subpar years and no way does he get the long term deal he wants

By David O'Brien

September 17, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Yars, they aren’t trading Brandon Jones, or at least have no plans to. They had to protect him this winter anyway (it’s that time, have to protect him to keep him out of Rule 5 draft), so it only made sense to add him now and get a look at him, especially while Willie’s slumping and Diaz has also hit a bit of a skid.

Harris has hit .136 (11-for-81) with 18 strikeouts and a .234 OBP in his past 28 games.

Diaz has hit .189 (7-for-37) with 10 strikeouts, one double and five RBIs in his past 13 games, and four of the five RBIs came in one game (same game he doubled in).

By David O'Brien

September 17, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

By the way, someone a few days ago asked about Ron Mahay, or someone mentioned he was under contract, or something like that.

Anyway, Mahay is a first-time free agent this winter. This (2007) was option year on contract he signed with Rangers.

By Chop Chop

September 17, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

Grinch,

How about a picture of what a vertigo-afflicted Nick Esasky’s world looked like as he attempted to play first base? Lew should take one for the team, drop some acid, and then produce this special Wurlitzer. Picasso ain’t got nothin’ on Lew, dammit.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

September 17, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy,

Great story about your Dad meeting Hank, and the special place that ball has in your heart!

By AZBravoFan

September 17, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

Joe Come on now! The reason Francoeur doesn’t have more runs scored is because he’s has Andruw hitting behind him for the second half. Wonder if there’s a stat on how many times Frenchy was left standing while Andruw either grounded into a DP trying to pull an outside slider or struck out trying to pull and even further outside slider. And Frenchy might have had even more RBI if he hadn’t spent the first half with Andruw hitting in front of him, killing rallies the same way while he waiting in the on-deck circle. Lots of us criticized Francoeur last year for his OBP and free-swinging. But he adjusted and has significantly improved those numbers this year. Andruw has been playing for 10 years and aside for one blip a couple years ago, he has regressed. He should know better but is unbelievable stubborn.

By Savannah Guy

September 17, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

Grinch 4:53 and 5:25…stop it! My sides are hurting. Diet coke on my computer screen.

By Overlord (BAND OF BROTHERS)

September 17, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Trivia question:

WHICH WAS THE LAST MLB TEAM (if any) TO HAVE THE LEAGUE BATTING CHAMPION AND THE RUNNER UP (2ND BEST) AND DIDNT MAKE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS???

Thats a hard hit to the jaw.

By Savannah Guy

September 17, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

Nick Esasky? Hey, his batting average was so low…um, roughly 40 points higher than AJ this year. Fewer tattoos. Oh, the roaring days of 1990.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

September 17, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

People have mentioned the possibility of keeping Andruw for next year. IF someone was crazy enough to offer him the 12-14 mil he will ask for, how can we then get a pitcher?? Only pitcher we could take on would be a cheap one…meaning another Mark Redman type,(Did y’all know he pitched 5 innings of SHUTOUT ball against Philly the other night????) or very young starter. And what team in it’s right mind would do that??? I say there is no way the Giants will give up either of their prized arms. They made the worst baseball trade of all time, IMHO with the twins a few years back(AJ Pierzynski for Joe Nathan, Boof Bosner and Francisco Liriano)I don’t see lightning striking twice.

If we get a raise so to speak this winter, we can’t be wasting money on Andruw…..but, I could still see us trying to sign him.

By Lew

September 17, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Grinch-I was thinking Larvel “Sugar Bear” Blanks-it’s real hard to draw players with vertigo. Savannah Guy-I’ll see what I can do, but I can’t guarantee a 66 Hank. It totally depends on what reference material I can come up with-what kind of detail they might have, etc., or what I can find that works compositionally. I’ll try, though.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 17, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Great prose Savannah Guy, a reminder as to why we are all fans and how it is important to hand the game down to each generation. Your story reminds me of the many hours I spent with my own father watching the Braves on TBS via cable.

One of my favorite recollections of time spent with my dad was being taken out of school to go see the Yankees play the Richmond Vees in an exhibition game in 1957.

Hammering Hank is a good choice and I am sure you will enjoy your Lew Hartman original as much as I value mine.

By Jared

September 17, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

I absolutely cannot believe there are still people talking about bringing Andruw Jones back. The guy has the second lowest batting average in the NL at .220. Andruw Jones has the lowest OBP on the team and the lowest slugging percentage among the regulars.

When you offer a player arbitration, they can’t make less than what they were making the previous year. Andruw Jones is making 13.5 million this year. That means if Andruw Jones comes back in 2008, it will be 14+ million. Does anyone really think that’s wise?

This team needs that money to improve it’s starting rotation this offseason. Don’t give that money to Andruw Jones.

By Robert

September 17, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Nick Esasky - I wonder what ole Dizzy is doin these days

By Overlord (BAND OF BROTHERS)

September 17, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

QUESTION:

If AJ is hurt and he has been playing injured all year long, now that the braves are done, how come he is still in the lineup??? How come B. Jones is in LF instead of Diaz and AJ resting all his injuries starting with his albow?

Answer:

He is not that injuried, if injuries were that bad, and if his elbow was the reason of his horrible season he would be resting by now. Instead his is in there trying to help his own cause, not the braves.

By Savannah Guy

September 17, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Scribe 8:22: Beautiful post this morning (umpteenth time I’ve said that about yours). Congrats on the new job. I must’ve missed it if you’ve described it earlier, but what/where are you doing? “Feels like point guard in the NBA finals”…would that literally be elbows and a_holes? Get’cher licks in early if that’s the case.

DAP 10:46: 100% dittos on all. Excellent post.

Braveheart ”Tell our dear old uncle to stop riding around in those stealth planes and get back in the fighter plane” I have on blog but don’t have email…miss the ol’ “huckleberry”. He’s probably holding court on the Falcons blog.

Gil Old Dominion? Where are you? VA? The home of Old Dominion Ale, one of the best micro brews in the USA?

By Bob, Journalist

September 17, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Esteemed man of the Savannah, with so many acceptance speeches having to be censored these days, it’s nice to see one that doesn’t! Good choice, better story and best of memories!

By Fred Flintstone

September 17, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

What’s the over/under on the Smoltz whine-o-meter tonight? You know…where he freezes in mock horror after a pitch that’s not called a strike.

I’ll say under 5 since the Braves are pretty much out of it.

By Lurker

September 17, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy and Braveheart You guys went from being “play” mates to prize winning Pulletzers and Wurlitzers “authors”. I congratulate you both, but you ain’t no fun!

By brian

September 17, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Even if Andruw would sign a 1 year $15 million contract, I do not know if I would invest that in him for next year.

If I were to do a one year big contract, I would try to get Tom Glavine at $8-10 million and use the rest to try and sign Cameron or another CF replacement

By John Smith

September 17, 2007 7:33 PM | Link to this

Jeeseeus Christ! Are you people ever going to publish something new?

By journalist jimmy smith

September 17, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

I frequently hiccup when getting in the hot tub ‘cause I am subconsciously afraid of the water, or so they tell me … but, while I usually don a safety jacket before getting in a boat, I don’t pull the inflation flap while I’m on board and we’re still afloat.

beautiful prose from journalist bob. flirting with a wurlitzer perhaps?

and now, baseball … only 131 strikeouts for andruw so far. wonder how many have ended the inning with runners in scoring position and the game on the line?

and let’s not be too hasty in blaming chino cadahia for anything that has gone wrong this season. chino is probably jolly (journalist is stereotyping from chino’s size - not politically correct) it is apparent to this journalist that the assistant coaches have no stroke. terry pendleton must feel especially emasculated. terry was rendered insignificant by andruw and that should never have been allowed by bobby cox. looks like bobby sat terry instead of andruw. another reason to hang it up, bobby.

a decent performance from the clean up spot and this team would be in contention right now even with the pitching deficiencies.

By Stu

September 17, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this

I know we need pitching, but 2-3-4 hitters like Edgar, Chipper and Tex don’t fall into your lap every year.

Chipper got a little embarrassed by not running out that single that shoulda’ been a double, but I think he really thought the ball would land in the seats. But man, can he hit or what?

Anyway, I’d plan to keep Edgar for 1 or 2 more years; try to sign Tex; and try to trade some combination of Yunel, Lillibridge, KJ, Diaz, Reyes, Devine, etc, for a young (low cost) starting pitcher. And hope Hampton can contribute (we should know that after winter ball, before spring training.)

By David O'Brien

September 17, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this

Is anyone else having problems seeing any new posts? I see them in the holding pen, but none posted here.

By Coach (Lets Go Braves in 2008)

September 17, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this

Tomorrow night’s Richmond game is being broadcast on ESPN2. Tune in Braves nation.

By Bill Heller

September 17, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cox puts together a lineup card like most kids play Pin The Tale On The Donkey. Pick your best 8 players and let them play!

By Tyler

September 17, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this

Lew had been talking about how idiotic it would be to trade Renteria if he won the batting title. That said, wouldn’t it? From what I hear, Brent Lillbridge is a phenominal defensive and offensive shortstop. If he is developing and ready after this year or next year, would it be wise to trade Escobar? Escobar could probably bring in a lot. What about a trade like Escobar and James for Matt Cain and Rajai Davis, or maybe something even better?

By raymond brrrrr

September 17, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cox reminds me of an elderly polar bear.

By dwight fry

September 17, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

Take Smoltz out of the game (after 5 ip) and let him pitch again on 3 days rest!

By Overlord (BAND OF BROTHERS)

September 17, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

???

By rmf

September 17, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this

I had the same thought that Yars did. I don’t understand starting the options clock on BJones unless they are showcasing him.

DOB and Denizens: I would welcome your thoughts on the following:

1. There has been a lot of talk on the blog of trading Renteria for pitching, mostly suggesting highly unrealistic trades. Other than the White Sox, however, I don’t see any other team that would appear willing to deal a quality starter this winter even for Rentaria and good prospects. In addition, the free agent pool is considered pretty weak. Realistically, aren’t the odds pretty low that the Braves can either trade for or sign a quality starter this winter, even if Andruw leaves and his salary comes off the books?

2 Assuming we can’t get another quality starter, can Chuck James develop into a solid no. 3. Last year, he looked like the next great Braves pitcher. Have you gotten any sense from scouts as to what happened to Chuck this year and can he fix it? If we can’t trade for or sign a no. 3 starter, Chuck will have to step up. Do you think he can become a solid no. 3?

1. Are the Braves going to say anything to McCann about his weight? Javy and IRod both improved substantially when they shed some pounds and I really worry how the extra pounds McCann is carrying will effect him over the next several years. I thought he might lose some weight during the summer, but he looks like he kept it all on. I know he has had a good year after a rough start, but I wonder how much better he would be if he were 15 to 20 pounds lighter.

Thanks.

By TennesseePaul

September 17, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

So did this thing die or what?

By Tomahawkin

September 17, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

well Grinch If ya wanna go there…

I’ve been on taco bell da last few nite’s (Goes good when you’ve partied all nite, and get in da mood for fourth meal…)

Can’t believe this team want’s to clown now, sice they know they have no chance…

Lets get Victorino, to add more speed to da club…

By bfan54

September 17, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

I only got as far as Robert’s 3:10 post calling BC an idiot, and all my pushed buttons burst. Folks, I can’t take this anymore. This man is sick, and since I cannot in good conscience ask that he be banned, I do think it reasonable that he be forsaken as “unworthy”. This has simply gone on far, far too long - and DOB - has way too often responded to this idiot’s rants. Robert needs to get a life and leave us Braves’ fans who try and find hope in the future (next game, next series, and …alas, next year) some relief. It matters not that I have voiced concerns about BC - THIS IS A DAMN GAME - and Robert has “personalized” it in an obsessive way, that is way, way over the line. Bobby Cox is not an “idiot”, does not deserve such a perjorative name. I have pontificating, but these personal attacks on Bobby Cox are - and have been all season long - over the top.

Sorry for the rant. It’s Monday, and I’m fed up with this fool!

By Braveheart

September 17, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

something devilish at 66

By tyyosh

September 17, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

Robert, sorry but you kind of exposed yourself when you said a while back that you liked Joe Girardi as a managerial candidate. If even half of what they wrote about his tenure was true… It’s always easier to talk about what’s wrong than it is to come up with a solution, isn’t it?

By N8

September 17, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

Does anybody else out there see the significance of Frenchy knocking in 100 RBI (with 13 games to go), while only having 17 HR?

So many people have ragged on him for his “drop” in power. It’s unjustified complaining, IMO.

I’ll take him knocking in 100-120 RBI every year REGARDLESS of what his power numbers are. Guys like Moises Alou have made VERY NICE careers for themselves by knocking in runs without being prolific HR hitters.

Jeff has taken a MAJOR step forward IMO, compared to last year. The power (especially the opposite field power) will come with more patience and a better approach. The kid obviously has enough power to hit HR’s when he makes contact. At this point in his career, continuing on the path of being a BETTER hitter will benefit him and the Braves much more than swinging for the fences in every AB.

By Bob, Journalist

September 17, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

10:30 test … nice to see that the AJC cares so much!

By TennesseePaul

September 17, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

Yup. It’s dead.

Saw the AP write about AJ and the Braves. I’d like to see him stick around. His defense is incredible and, I think he’ll have a better season next year. Especially if he is back in Atlanta in good shape and secure for a few more years.

Great win tonight. Glad to see some run support for Smoltz. After all these years “the big 3” are still going and Smoltz is the best one of them all. Love it.

GO BRAVES!!

By David O'Brien

September 17, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this

N8, agree with you on Francoeur. Overall, a far better season at the plate. And by the way, he was hitting .349 in a team-high 169 at-bats with RISP before tonight.

By GermanBravesFan

September 17, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

ROBERT: go back to your donkey - he’s lonely!

By Darren

September 17, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

Chipper is Awesome. Those numbers are unbelievable. Wow.

I say the Braves go with Matty Diaz in LF next year since he still has another year before salary arbatration. He is talented, will hit over 300 with 15 dingers and is cheap.

Go Braves!

By gotigers72

September 17, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this

Does anybody notice which pitchers in the Braves rotation are able to keep the ball down on a consistent basis? That’s right, Smoltz and Hudson, the two BEST pitchers on the staff by far. 30-15 between them, a .667 percentage.

All of the other pitchers pitch up in the zone ENTIRELY too much. It shows in their horrid homers given up totals, and also in the fact that they pitch behind in the count too much because MLB umpires don’t give the high strike often. Chuck is absolutely terrible at pitching up, with Carlyle and Cormier a close second. Before he left, Davies was also in with that bunch.

Even Hudson and Smoltz get beat up when they pitch up, they just don’t do it much. Only one pitcher, since I’ve been old enough to watch and understand baseball, had such overwhelming stuff to pitch up and get away with it. Nolan Ryan. Koufax didn’t pitch up, neither did Carlton or Gibson or Maddux or Randy Johnson, and Ryan really didn’t either. But when Ryan did pitch up, he was still unhittable. The others weren’t. Well, maybe Koufax was.

I don’t understand why Roger McDowell has not been able to teach those young pitchers some tricks that would help them keep the ball down. He has had two years with them now, and they should be improving in that area, but they aren’t. Until they start keeping the ball down, they won’t be successful MLB pitchers.

By Train Wreck Bystander

September 18, 2007 1:52 AM | Link to this

The highlight of the game for me was watching Soriano bean Dan Uggla.

Normally, I don’t care for beanballs but they had been throwing at us all night.

By jed

September 18, 2007 3:21 AM | Link to this

Edgar Renteria is the most underrated player in basebal. If we trade him for a pitcher this off-season WITHOUT signing Teixeira longterm, it would be a terrible mistake.

If you cant sign Tex this off-season, trade him for a starter. Then your 08 infield is:

SS—Escobar

3b—Renteria

1b—Chipper

2b—KJ

By secondbass

September 18, 2007 5:23 AM | Link to this

Will the Braves minor league players of the year be recognized at an upcoming game? I know they were last year, and we’d really like to get to Turner Field to see Tyler Flowers. Thanks!

By test

September 18, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

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By Scalp 'Em Braves

September 18, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Robert:

You said Bobby Cox is THE worst manager of all time in any sport at any level.

With that one statement, you lose any credibility you may have established on the issue. The worst ever in any sport? He’s not the worst manager who ever wore the Braves uni - who can forget that stellar triumvirate of Dave Bristol, Ted Turner and Vern Benson in 1977?

Bobby isn’t going anywhere. He’ll still be the manager next year. Unfortunately, it seems you aren’t going anywhere either, and will continue your incessant bltching and whining for another year as well.

DOB - can you get the blogmeister to add an ignore button?

By DAP

September 18, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

why does the blog cut off at 5:50pm? maybe posting somehting will fix it!

By Anonymous

September 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Hmmm….something seems off…

By Efrim

September 18, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Is this blog broken?

By DAP

September 18, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

yup, the blog’s broken…

By Chuck

September 18, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

When you’ve got four guys hitting 0.330 (Jones, Escobar, Diaz, & Renteria), there has to be some serious problems elsewhere in your lineup that keep you from winning. Andruw batting other than in the 8th slot this year can only be considered a crime by management. Completely uncoachable - his swing still looks just as awkward today as it did five months ago. If he’s hurt, bat him 8th till he gets better. He’s been a real rally killer all year. McCann hurt, not produced as well as he could, Willy C. Harris’ coldness has also contributed. Urgency next year with Cox and the older players facing mortality. Healthy pitching will be more important than great pitching with the bats we’ll have, but we’ll have to acquire it and give up some youth to get it. I remember the Braves of late 60’s, early 70’s losing games 10-9 - this team has a lot of parallels.

By KC

September 18, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Mark Bradley: The plan is for Hampton to pitch somewhere over the winter. “So we’ll have an idea [going into spring training],” Bobby Cox said. But crossing your fingers isn’t a strategy. The Braves must actively pursue another arm to slot behind Smoltz and Hudson and in front of Hampton and James.

Gee… why didn’t John Schuerholz think of that? Brilliant insight.

That must be the reason we haven’t acquired another quality starter… it hasn’t occurred to the Braves to do so. I guess JS should bring Bradley in as a consultant.

By Shaun

September 18, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Grinch, you said, “I had just never heard you admit before that Bobby ever made a mistake.” Guess I figured it was self-evident, given that no one is perfect. I think I have said Cox is not perfect. Just disagree (as most with common sense do) that Robert overstates Cox’s mistakes and think other managers make much less.

By ColoradoBraves Fan

September 18, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

This is a test…

By Renegator

September 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

What’s going on with this blog? I can’t see any posts past 5:51 PM yesterday…

By BB FAN

September 18, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Anders, You said: “And Please don’t hold the Braves 1-14 track record against the Mets. We only won one division title lately and came within a game of getting to the WS. Give us at least a second chance before you lump us in with the Braves futility.”

You, like so many Mets fans seem to think that Atlanta’s 14 year run is pathetic. However, the Braves winning the East division (from 1995-2005) meant the Mets did not. And even when the Braves were winning the West(1991-1993), the Mets could not win the East division title either.

Therefore, the Mets were 0-14 in the years the Braves went 1-14. Just because the Mets could not even make the playoffs does not exclude them from their OWN futility. They were less successful than the Braves.

I find it hilarious when all these Braves haters throw out the Braves were only 1-14. Well, there were only 3 teams that were better than the Braves in that 14 year stretch. This meaning they won more than 1 World Series. They are:

Blue Jays (1992, 1993) (2-14) Marlins (1997, 2003) (2-14) Yankees (96,98, 99, 2000)(4-14)

Therefore, 26 other teams were less successful than the Braves from 1991-2005. And YES, that includes the Mets.

By Rod

September 18, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Any word on Andruw about next year? Personally, I say let him go. Yes, he is amazing in CF, but his production hardly warrants the contract he will demand. We could use the money we were going to pay him on a Vet CF (2-3 mill range) and bring in a top end starter. Oh, and what are the chances Edgar gets traded to make room for Escobar?

By Adirondackdave

September 18, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

It’s really hard to say who will be playing where next year but here’s a “for sure.” Chipper Jones will be at third and is proving once again that he is one of the best of all time at that position. The guy is just so consistently outstanding that if he retired tomorrow I don’t see how he could be denied a plaque in Cooperstown. His game is power, high average, clutch hitting, OBP, team first, club house, etc., etc. We are very fortunate to have him for what will probably be his entire career. Guys like this are rare indeed.

By David O'Brien

September 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

SORRY FOLKS, for the 16-hour or so period during which no comments were posted. I do appreciate the fact that so many of you continued to post during that time period, as evident in the fact that the few dozen posts were finally unclogged and published. And I apologize for whatever got screwed up at our end; I tried repeatedly to get it fixed last night, to no avail. it’s a new world here, and every request or complain goes through a long process, unfortunately. Please try to hang in there.

By Overlord (BAND OF BROTHERS)

September 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Trivia question:

WHICH WAS THE LAST MLB TEAM (if any) TO HAVE THE LEAGUE BATTING CHAMPION AND THE RUNNER UP (2ND BEST) AND DIDNT MAKE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS???

By Overlord (BAND OF BROTHERS)

September 18, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

QUESTION:

If AJ is hurt and he has been playing injured all year long, now that the braves are done, how come he is still in the lineup??? How come B. Jones is in LF instead of Diaz and AJ resting all his injuries starting with his albow?

By David O'Brien

September 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Rod, no, no word on Andruw for next year. And not expecting anything for a while, since free agency doesn’t really start humming until postseason is over.

By the way, what “vet CF” do you think you’d possibly get for $2-3 mill? This ain’t 1995.

By David O'Brien

September 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

BBFan, interesting perspective, and good point.

Scalp ‘em, come on, don’t you think the Okie serial poster made a lucid and valid point there, with the ‘worst manager of all time at any level’ comment? I mean, how can that be debated? He’s clearly right.

(by the way, the whitecoats are having a hard time finding the address, but should be arriving sometime today….)

By Chuck

September 18, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Question: What would Diaz bring on the market? Renteria is obvious trade bait for a good pitcher because of Escobar, but Diaz has hit 0.320 for two years now - does he have any value? What’s his fielding rating on the 0-100 scale?

By Overlord (BAND OF BROTHERS)

September 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

jed why move Renteria to 3b when yunel plays fine there? and edgar has played forever at SS. Agree Chipper could be moved to 1b, but then again, remember chipper will likely miss 30-40 games next year (routine).

I wonder where have all those supportive MUTS fans have gone? I guess that a 4 game losing streak is to much to handle…… Is it that they are scared???

Its funny but there is a chance the muts will be sitting next to braves watching the phillies and SD in the playoffs. Its amazing what a difference a few days and lack of talent can do.

By the way, by the end of this day, arizona might be leading the league as the best team (record) and by the end of the week the muts could be out of the picture. The big mouth muts i meant.

By Jean

September 18, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy: Congrats on the Wurlitzer Award and on your choice of Aaron as the portrait subject. He has been the epitome of class and dignity throughout his career and in his post-season life, hasn’t he?

I have to play catch-up reading every few days, but always make a point to read yours and other well-reasoned and witty bloggers that make it informative and fun in this blogosphere.

Great story about you and your dad. Thanks for sharing.

By Lee in S. GA

September 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Now that the Braves will not make the post-season and the season is winding down it looks like A.J. is going to get that average to about 230 and 100 RBI’s. There will be no stopping Boras then.

At times you want to keep him and figure it was a just one of those years, and then as a fan, you realize you may have to endure perhaps another sub-season with him next year. No way I would sign him to a multi-year contract after this season. 1 year would be the limit.

By TennesseePaul

September 18, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

The Atlanta metropolitan area added 890,000 people from 2000 to 2006, more than any other metro area in the country, according to census estimates. There were 5.1 million people in the Atlanta area in 2006.

The franchise needs to reach out to these new residents and get a Tomahawk across the chest of each and every one of them. More public transportation would help. The same article I lifted that from ranked Atlanta 2nd in the nation in worst traffic. 2nd to LA. Living here and then going out there I can agree. Atlanta seems like a walk in the park compared to LA when it comes to rush hour.

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

A Funny Thing Happened On the Way to the Blog

Uh, nothing.

I looked and looked and there it was…gone. Wellsirree, still can’t get posts here. Last one was 5:51 yesterday…until a few minutes ago…more downloaded. Now it’s caught up to 11:17am today. There are many possibilities to this DOB/MIB Blog outage:

Did AOL get mad at the blame that we placed at their feet over anemic Braves budgets and put this blog on AOL dialup speed? Could DOB’s blog now be considered a mere Discontinued Operation & Non Core Asset? Oh, heavens…say it ain’t so. Will Liberty come to the rescue?

Or, after DOB warned a denizen yesterday about pimping his own blog here, did said blogger take umbrage and commandeer DOB’s blog? Is there a Pythagorean coup d’état afoot?

Was it an AJC conspiracy? Did the IT guys get sick of eliminating troll posts? Was the new barrage of online/blog ads too much for the server? Did another blogmeister place a full-page ad that sucked all the juice out of here?

Will there be a Braves Blogger Baby Boom 9 months from last night? Little June sports fans coming? Will they like music and BBQ? Will the males be named David? Wear black? Customized tricycles?

So many questions.

By beachcomber

September 18, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

BB Fan - Excellent 11:15 post. And of the teams you cited only the Yankees had anything close to the Braves sustained excellence.

While I’m not much on football, the Leftwich situation sounds so much like the Redman situation this spring - grasping at straws

By DAP

September 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

i was just able to see a few more posts, but still not current ones.

anyways, Rod was talking about getting an inexpensive veteran CF… does anybody know how long until scafer or someone in our minor league system is ready to play CF? i was thinking that a guy like kenny lofton might be a good stop-gap until we develop a player for CF. and lofton can really play.

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

AJC Blog Customer Service Dept.

Uh…

By ncscoots

September 18, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand starting the options clock on BJones unless they are showcasing him

I imagine B. Jones had to be added to the 40-man in November, anyway…I know I saw him play two years ago, so this probably would have been his last minor league year not on a ML roster. I’m guessing the Braves don’t foresee him having to spend much more time in the minors (certainly not portions of three years’ worth), so options are probably moot.

Without a trade, he’s the only shot at actually getting corner OF production from LF next year, anyway. Diaz certainly can’t deliver that kind of run production, and the Braves will no longer (I’m assuming) have the luxury of corner production from CF. Somebody out there, besides Francoeur, has to be able to produce runs, and certainly any realistic CF replacement is unlikely to do so.

By d-rock in Scotland

September 18, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Rod, I’m totally with you. Andrew was my favorite brave for a long time. And I was willing to overlook some bad habits at the plate because of his stellar glove. He’s still outstanding out there in cf, but you can’t take a fall-down swing to the plate each time up. He did drive the ball well to center last night though. If he would slow up, and just try to punch it to right a couple times a game, I’d bring him back at the price he wants, but it doesn’t look like that will happen.

By KC

September 18, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Rod: I don’t think Renteria will be traded just to make room for Escobar. But we don’t need now that Escobar’s here… and when you include the fact that he’ll have trade value and the fact that trading him would represent a 6 million dollar savings… I’d bet money he’ll be gone.

I’m with you on Andruw. Even if he wants to come back on a 1 year deal… in my view, it would have to be for LESS money than he’s making now. And if it gets in the way of adding another starter, then FORGET HIM!

By Hammy the Brave

September 18, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

RMF,

I disagree with your assertion that only the White sox need a ss and have pitching to trade.

Have you not considered the following teams as being in the same boat with the White Sox: the Giants, the Blue Jays, and possibly the Cubs?

Also, I feel very strongly that the Braves need to go outside the organization to acquire up to 2 starters. I don’t believe Chuch James can be better than a #5, or possibly #4, unless he throws a consistent 3rd pitch and shows more command and throws less pitches per game.

Hammy the Brave

By Chop Chop

September 18, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

DOB,

For a while, it appeared as if Robert’s comments (specifically the one you mentioned) had done blowed up the Internet. I guess he just gave it a flesh wound.

By MegaBravesFan

September 18, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Does it seem like Frenchy is trying to get that centerfield spot next year? He has been putting out for ball more lately…and yesterday he climbed the fence. He doesn’t do that very often. I wonder which he would rather play…

By 22oz

September 18, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

I think the majority of those 890,000 residents would only be interested in soccer, or futbol.

By TennesseePaul

September 18, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

ncscoots: I’m not sure it’s a certainty that Diaz couldn’t deliever run production. B.Jones did great in the minors this year, but there is no guarantee that he will amount to a hill of beans in the majors. He has yet to get a hit. I know, it’s early, he’ll get some hits soon enough. But, Diaz I think has shown that, if given the chance to play every day, he’d knock in quite a few runs. I wouldn’t put him in the 3-5 spots. I’d keep him in the #2 spot or the 6-8 spots. 6-8 would give him ample opportunity to knock in 80+ in a season. I have a feeling though that Diaz will either be traded, or retained and platooned with B. Jones, assuming B. Jones is not traded.
Personally, I’d like to see AJ come back so the line up could consistantly contain A, B, C Jones. Perhaps this would aid them all as the opposing pitcher screws up the scouting reports for each Jones. HA!

By Paladin

September 18, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

I have returned so I can be here “live” for the recognition of two of my buddies Braveheart and Savannah Guy. Both are very worthy and as one blogger said, “you two are the blog”. For one who has only been a part of this for a comparatively short time, I would agree. The two of you have made me laugh, and “educated” me. What more could be asked of someone on a vehicle of this type? Although I feel like Larry watching Moe and Curly get an award, I’ll try to keep my envy to myself. :>)

Once more, congratulations on your well-deserved recognition by your peers. But, you were a whole lot more fun before you got so uppity. :>)

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks Lea…posts seem to be starting to unblock, but not up to speed just yet. Keep’em coming. Squeeze ‘em out. Don’t kick the server or that other high-tech thingamajig doomaflatchy gizmo thingy.

By Thrillhouse44

September 18, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Today’s blog has crashed and burned harder than Mark Redman.

By Shaun

September 18, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

Yeah, Atlanta doesn’t have a true downtown area where people do everything, it seems to me. If you live in one part of town, you are probably going to have to drive in order to entertain yourself.

By Paladin

September 18, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Oh, forget it. I’ll send the damn thing by snail-mail.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 18, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

DOB, it can be tough getting through to India where your current IT support resides.

I was somewhat disturbed by John Markon’s of the Richmond Times Dispatch, reporting of a cut in payroll next year for the Braves mandated by Liberty Media but then I remembered, it was John Markon. Not anyone of sustenances.

The sad thing would be for Liberty to actually initiate cost cutting. It would only reinforce the axiom that ownership by a publicly owned entity is a very bad circumstance for a pro team.

Perhaps they could import cheap players from Asia to take some of the jobs currently held by high priced American players. That should improve their bottom line. (Sarcasm Alert)

By moonshiner snuffy smith

September 18, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

now where is my no good cousin jimmy?

prolly sittin in his thatched-roof, ill-built wooden shanty thinkin up somthin to put in that blog o his

o it t’ain’t really his blog but he thinks it is

ol jimmy would rite better if’n he were more book learned but he don’t have enough money fer books cuz he spends most of his welfare check on moonshine

jimmy is real clever cuz most of what he thinks up are insults about braves players like some are too fat, or chipper is too stupid, or bobby cox picks his nose - real clever stuff

well i seen jimmy out in the ol outhouse and boy he’s got a few nasty habits of his own

By Paladin

September 18, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

B usted

L ongtime

O sh!t

G et it fixed!

By Stu

September 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

beachcomber, long as the blog doesn’t seem to work anyway, I’ll post about football: I think Leftwich would be a great pickup for Atlanta. He’s won more than he’s lost (unlike Harrington). I thought J’ville made a huge mistake by cutting him, and wouldn’t mind having him at all.

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

AJC Blog Customer Service Dept.

We understand that there seems to be a “blog” problem. First, we didn’t realize it was all that important for “bloggers” to read other bloggers, um…blogs. We were under the impression that bloggers, well…uh, just blogged. Isn’t it true that bloggers can still technically blog without another blogger reading another blogger’s blog? Isn’t that what bloggers do…blog? Well then.

Therefore, we feel our blog is working just fine, as long as a blogger can blog. Once the blogger get’s their blog message to “send”, then blogger can rest assured that his/her message is “sent” and the bloggers blog experience is technically completed and sufficient. To those of us in customer service, it does not seem vitally important that a bloggers blog may never be read, or that other bloggers blogs may never be read by the sending blogger. See?

Furthermore, just because a blog “post” as we call it, is floating around in cyberspace or trapped in a server somewhere, it does not necessarily mean that the act of “blogging” has been interrupted or is in any way insufficient. We just fail to see the problem.

Additionally, we don’t really know what “blog” means anyway…or why anyone would be interested in baseball enough to comment on it. It’s just a silly game. Can’t you just be happy reading our paper?

So we ask the bloggites and bloggettes, if a blogger blogs in the woods, does a fallen blog make a sound? We think so. So you see, there is no problem after all.

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

AJC Web Ad Sales Dept.

We just checked…our ads are still up. So what’s the problem? Sheesh.

By KC

September 18, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

nscoots: I rarely flat out disagree with you. That is to say… you’re usually right! =)

BUT…

“Without a trade, he’s the only shot at actually getting corner OF production from LF next year, anyway. Diaz certainly can’t deliver that kind of run production”

HUH?

Diaz rarely walks, so if he plays everyday, you can look for him to get about 600 official at-bats.

If you project his 2007 numbers out to 600 ABs, you’ll have the following…

.335 with 22 homers and 80 RBI, and 37 doubles.

And if he hit more toward the midle of the order, he’d be very capable of knocking in 90-100 runs.

His .508 SLG% trails only Chipper and Tex on this team.

Diaz needs to play everyday, and if/when he does, he’s going to give us excellent production out in left field.

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

AJC Advertising Client

Yes, my ad is still up…but NOBODY is LOOKING at it!!! No eyeballs. No clicks. No sales of my product. Where’s my rep?

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

AJC Web Advertising Sales Rep

Oh! Uh…we’re looking into it. No problem. Be right back. Just a little glitch. Uh…

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

AJC Advertising and Marketing Sales Director

There will be an all-department meeting in my office in five minutes. Do not bring excuses, bring solutions. Bring a pen, paper, calendar, watch, department budgets, earplugs and kleenex.

By ncscoots

September 18, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

TPaul, I’ve tried, really I have, but I can’t quite seem to love Diaz the way much of the blog does. I see him as a no-power DH, turning out run production that would be great for a 2B, not so much so for a corner OF.

I don’t expect B. Jones to be the second coming of Albert Pujols, either. He’ll be a rookie, and for the most part, he’ll hit rookie, is my bet. I want to see him play, but it wouldn’t break my heart to see him start the season as a reserve behind a veteran thumper in LF.

But I imagine the Braves will tunnel-vision on pitching, as some posters have, and cross their fingers on offense. Maybe Brandon goes gorilla, and makes us all forget AJ, who knows?

By Wayne in Utah

September 18, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy and Braveheart

I can see it now, the “high” from the recognition will soon set in, then it will be “Mr. Savannah Guy and Mr. Braveheart” to the rest of the “average” bloggers! It will go to your heads guys, face it. You will become consumed with the attention and the recognition!

(remember though Braveheart, I knew you when you were just plain old “WW”, and you were doing set-up work)

Signed: Mr. Wayne in Utah!

:-)

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

AJC IT Outsource Facility

Honorable Gil in Mechanicsville,

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(translated for American customers)

We read your message about blog problems. We handle your IT, and also your pet food, toothpaste and toy production. Our service is impeccable. We own everything, even India.

By Paladin

September 18, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

The blog seems to have a severe case of “Asphalt”, or intestinal blockage. A MRI indicates that several of Robert’s offerings were so “full of it” that they failed to “pass”. May I suggest a purgative?

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

Paladin Thanks fella. Where the heck have you been? Seems you came back just in time for a blog meltdown. Cuz and I caused a chuckle? Great. Educated? Oh, the horrors. Actually, we’ve both been edumacated by Cuz on the finer points of baseball, fightclubs and such. With so few games left you can’t dessert now. Plenty of time for football in a few weeks. Stick around…missed ya ‘round these parts.

By Savannah Guy

September 18, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Paladin I think that purgative was actually administered by DOB earlier (via blog of course). Maybe that’s why we’re getting some, er…flow here finally.

By Paladin

September 18, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Actually SG, when I first saw the blog all clogged up, I figured either you or BH had made your “acceptance” speech.

By Paladin

September 18, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

I understand the outsourcing of blog-bits to India, but do they have to send the signal back by ship?

By Gil in Mechanicsville

September 18, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Yes SG, fame is a fleeting thing. Just ask all those folks nominated to run for vice-president on a losing ticket…. Heck, most Americans cannot name more than two presidents. Come to think of it, most are trying to forget who they voted for last time around.

I sometimes forget, I must quell my contempt…. Lest I be forced to go barefoot as their are no longer any footwear made in America. Naked too and trust me, no one wants to see me naked.

Now baseball….. GO BRAVES!

By Paladin

September 18, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

Gil You are very close to “forbidden” ground. No politics. BTW, an erection is not when they vote in Japan. :>)

By KC

September 18, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Wow… just channel flipping, trying to find any coverage of the O.J. thing… but it’s frustratingly difficult. No one’s talking about it.

nscoots: Willie Harris is a free agent at the end of the year… so if we don’t bring him back, you’ll most likely get a chance to judge Matt Diaz on everyday play.

I personally do hope we bring Willie back, but not if it means a Diaz platoon. He’s earned the right to play every day.

By robert combs

September 18, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this

yea, I like Willie too.

By Lester Reyes

September 19, 2007 4:05 AM | Link to this

(http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/standings;_ylt=A0WTWcfc0fBGHoABFgQRvLYF)

Anyone wanting to know the real difference between ATL vs. PHI and NYM this year needs only to look at their respective records vs. each NL division: Braves have a winning record vs. each division, albeit only slightly above .500 in each case. NYM have a losing record against NL East and West (albeit only slightly under .500), but, like PHI, they have mashed against the NL Central, which the Braves haven’t done. Sure, blame it on any number of factors, primarily SP depth, but the fact is the Phillies’ and Mets’ points of mediocrity have been better than those of the quadruple-A teams of the NL Central, and the Braves’ haven’t (clamor all you want about the difficulty of the Braves’ interleague schedule, the fact still remains the Braves couldn’t get it done against bad teams). And I gleefully add that the Mets’ points of mediocrity are slipping below the mean into just plain terrible—Philly may be heating up at just the right time, a la the 2006 Cardinals.

In brighter statistical news, the sport’s oldest franchise, that being our Braves (and I’m sorry, Cubs and Reds fans, but you’re just wrong if you think it’s yours, so don’t bother arguing a point of fact—it’s not an opinion-based issue), as a franchise are sitting on a .499 winning percentage, with an overall record of 9689-9712. Clearly there’s not enough games left this season to bring it up to .500, but a winning season next year (hell, another hot start out of the gate next year) should do it. Not being much of a mathematician, I got frustrated trying to count back to when the franchise last held a winning record (I’m probably going about it in the worst way possible, but maybe someone with access to the Elias Sports Bureau could find it out rather quickly, hint hint), but it appears to have been sometime in the early 1920s, when they were in Boston. I think it’s a big deal to see the only franchise to ever win a WS in all 3 of the cities in which it has played finally get back to a winning record, and note that it’s largely been due to the Cox/JS-led teams of the 1990s-present. Given that kind of historical perspective, the run of success over the last 17 seasons seems like an overcorrection—surely the franchise that spawned Spahn, Aaron, Mathews, Murphy, etc., is a winning one, right? It also brings to mind an article I read (I think it was in Baseball Digest, but I’m not sure) a few years back where the writer did a mathematical analysis of the Braves chances of winning the WS in ‘91, ‘92, ‘95, ‘96, and ‘99 and found that the Braves performed exactly according to the numbers and won the only WS where they were mathematically favored—1995. Again, I’m no mathematician, so I couldn’t explain it to you, but it’s food for thought.

By Randy Graham

September 19, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

I Agree We need Pitching , Pitching ,Pitching By The Way does anybody out their know what Thormans Options are. Still should be good trade bait to get a pitcher??

By Jack

September 24, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

You thank Bobby Cox for some of the late innning swoon of the bats. You got guys playing day in and day out in 100 degree heat. I don’t care if you are 23 years old or not, after a long season it wears you down. Chipper, Jeff, Edgar, Andruw, not one of them has any gas left in the tank after the “death march” Cox makes them endure.