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DEL.ICIO.USChange of scenery good for Braves
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Ah, you know you’re in a real baseball town when the woman behind the counter at the hotel desk is wearing a Cardinals baseball jersey.
It’s not the playoffs, not a Cubs series, just your average, run-of-the-mill, pennant-influencing baseball weekend.
Maybe the Braves will perk up in this baseball mecca. They need something. As we all know, things couldn’t get a whole lot worse.
This is what Brian McCann had to say last night after the Braves lost their third in a row to the Reds, to fall to 1-6 against them this season and three games back in the wildcard. (Is there another race? Hasn’t been lately, it seems.)
“You can’t come up here in a playoff atmosphere and only win one game,” McCann said.
And really, it was a playoff atmosphere for one team. The Reds crowds were nothing special, in the 20,000s — probably because of the heat and the lack of something at stake for the Reds. These next three days in St. Louis can have playoff implications for both teams. And the ballpark will play more like a regular ballpark, thank goodness.
And at its most basic level, the Braves need the change of scenery in the worst kind of way.
The Braves are at the right point in the rotation to turn things around with Smoltz going tonight and Huddy tomorrow. That right there could get them a series win. But I know, I know, first things first: any kind of win will do.
And as Chipper said last night, when I asked him if he thought things were going to turn around after he tied the game 5-5 with a three-run homer: “I don’t take anything for granted this year.”
Nope, nothing is sacred.
This weekend we’ll have a couple of third-place teams going at it, strange as it is to say, and one of those third-place teams is on the rise.
The Cardinals came into this series only three games back in the Central. Granted, the Central has been pretty weak this year, and the Cardinals are still under .500 at 61-63 coming in. But the Cards are 26-21 in July and August. The Braves in that time are 23-24.
The team that’s reeling right now is Atlanta, which seemed to play its best ball in April when the Cardinals were fading. Now roles have reversed.
In fact, the Braves are only three games ahead of St. Louis in the wildcard.
Believe it or not, Smoltz actually has a losing record against the Cardinals - 10-11 for his career - one of only two NL teams where that’s the case.
And Albert Pujols is smoking hot right now (and for more than just his good looks). He had homers in five games in a row until last night. And he’s pretty well raked against Smoltz, hitting (.467) 7-for-15 with three homers. Smoltz needs to take care of the hitters around Pujols so it’s not that big of a deal if Pujols does his usual damage. Easier said than done of course.
Oh, and the Braves shouldn’t expect to save their offense for late in games. The Cardinals starters are 38-55 with a 5.04 ERA this year, but the relievers are 23-8 with a 3.90 ERA. Jason Isringhausen has converted 25 of 27 saves. He hasn’t blown a save since June 26.
Meanwhile, a couple numbers for thought:
Chipper is back in the lead in the NL batting race, hitting .337 after going 3-for-7 with two doubles and a homer Thursday night.
After going 12 outings without allowing a run from July 19 -August 10, Peter Moylan has allowed runs in three of his last six. He took the loss on Wednesday night against the Reds and a blown save on Thursday.
Andruw Jones’ three hits Thursday night was his first three-hit game since July 18. That last one was also against the Reds, and also in a loss.
Manny Acosta has pitched 6 2/3 scoreless innings to start his major league career, with two walks and six strikeouts and three hits allowed.
Jeff Francoeur went 0-for-6 Thursday night to fall make that 4-20 (.200) on the trip heading into St. Louis.
Off to the ballpark. It’s my first time to the new Busch Stadium. Saw it going up from inside the old one. Still, I think it’s the people that make the place in this town.
I was here as a spectator a couple years back and even in a game the Cardinals were losing to the Braves, their fans would still ask us Atlantans questions about the team, young players, what the stadium was like in Atlanta, etc. Very cool.
Do denizens do road trips? I highly recommend this town — though perhaps not in August.
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By random word guy
August 24, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
VESTIBULE
By The Metallurgist
August 24, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
Glad to see Carroll’s use of the word alloy. Made me proud.
Keep up the good work!
By Colin
August 24, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
Maybe we could win a game…thats what i call wishful thinking
By Stuart
August 24, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
THIRD????
By Tonight on TCM
August 24, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
Meet Me In St. Louis (1944)
St. Louis, 2007. The Jones family has two beautiful daughters: Druw and little tomboy Chipper. Chipper has fallen in love with the boy next door who has just moved in, Tex. He however, barely notices her at first. The family is shocked when family patriarch, Bobby, reveals that he has been fired from his job. Will this result in the breakup of this once happy family?
By Stuart
August 24, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
TOP FIVE???????
By Coach ( This is how the Braves get over the hump.)
August 24, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
Ya’ll can sit down and listen to some plain old common sense. How to improve the Braves odds in the wild card chase ? It’s addition by subtraction. Come September 1st , bring up every single pitcher on the 40 man giving the Braves 21 total pitchers. Junk the five man rotation , it’s killing the Braves. The old four man rotation would give Hudson and Smoltz 18 or 19 starts over the last 34 games. Limit them both to 75 pitches or five innings , which ever comes first and use that 17 man bullpen over the last three or four innings. It’s not rocket science , it’s baseball. Smoltz and Hudson are winning at a .700 clip over the last two months. Do the math , 66 wins plus 13 or 14 wins from the two aces. The remaining 15-16 games would require nothing more than .500 from the other two starters ( Cormier/James). That would presumably put the Braves around 87-89 wins , well into wild card territory. It’s better than sticking with the five man rotation and limiting the pitch count , not throwing on the side would be the same as pitching every fifth day. There ya go , maximize the two aces , limit the damage from the rest of the rotation. Lew , would have never thought of this. NEVER.
By Brooklyn Braves Brawler
August 24, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
I like Smoltzie tonight against Kip Wells.
Let’s hope we don’t get punched in the mouth early and then go crawl in our hole. We are in this viscious cycle of two game winnig streaks and threegame losing streaks.
Contreras or Trachsel within the next 5 days or we are toast.
By Señor Blanco
August 24, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
Esto es un rato muy triste para los ventiladores de los Bravos. Debemos ganar por lo menos dos de los juegos en St. Louis o bien nos acaban. Llevo a cabo mi respiración.
By N8
August 24, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
“TOP FIVE???????”
Yup. The Braves will finish in the Top 5 of the NL East……maybe.
By Robert(Justice Is The Best)
August 24, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
No Chop Zone, understand this sentence. That baked Cod isn’t going to bake itself. Get back to work!
By gone with the wind
August 24, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
what was it that the “Don” said on Monday nite football…”.turn out the lights,the paaarrty’s ooooover!”
By Charlie B.
August 24, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
Someone needs to tell Mr. Cox that getting thrown out of ball games can be counter productive such as last evening when we went into extra innings with inexperienced managing. We need him in the dugout much more than arguing silly calls he can’t win. He is too good at managing the Braves to allow this to happen.
By D-Cider
August 24, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
Sooner or later the AJC staff has to realize this is a .500 ball club and probably should not (and will not) make the playoffs. Starting pitching is the problem. Scoring 7 or 8 runs a game and losing and starters only going 5 or less innings will keep the Braves at home in Oct.
By Colin
August 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
We will finish 3rd….and 2nd in WC
By GB
August 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
Coach,
FINALLY…..Someone out there with a brain agrees with me on the 4-man ratation. I brought this up a couple of weeks ago and no one had the guts for different thinking (including DOB)Thanks Coach…you made my day!
By Train Wreck Bystander
August 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
I still believe in these Atlanta Braves.
By GW
August 24, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
Braves great run should have taught them that pitching wins games. Tex was a good pickup but I stated when the deal was made that scoring 7 runs and giving up 8 will be the end result of this mistake. No playoff for the Bravos
By geauxbraves2000
August 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this
The last time I saw the Braves play in person was in STL. That was the game McGuire was tossed for arguing a third strike from Glavine. I was getting a little concerned for a while, the stands were shaking from the outburst of the crowd. I at one time thought the game may have to be called. But alas, it continued. I believe Javy hit a HR, and the last out was Galarraga’s throw to 2nd to force the runner for the win.
It’s been a while.
Geaux Braves!!
By doc
August 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this
dead, dead, dead, dead?
By Double Deuce
August 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this
Coach You’re right. Lew would never have thought of that…….nor would anyone else. If only you were the GM…of the Mets.
By Robert(Justice Is The Best)
August 24, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
Actually, I do think that the September callups will be a big help. If the Braves can just hold on for one more week, help is on the way. Blaine Boyer, Kevin Barry, Chad Paronto, Brandon Jones, Brayan Pena, Joey Devine, Jose Ascaino, Brent Lillibridge, Carlos Melendez, Dan Smith, Trey Hodges, and TJ Bohn are all possible callups. If Cox has to go by starter by committee for the last two spots in the rotation then that is what he needs to do.
By JD
August 24, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
Pretend we’re Yankee fans for a minute: when does Manny Acosta start getting Cy Young consideration along with Joba Chamberlain.
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
Carroll, it’s almost like you gave a party and nobody got their invitations … while probably not worth replication, here’s my last post from the previous blog.
By Bob, Journalist 4:32 PM
From the wee hours comes the joke of the day … By uga-brave
“BOB J, you defintely have mastered the english language. i really like your blogs, they make me laugh. but some times i think your intentions are to condescend the rest of us that aint so smart. METHINKS”
Powerful words, any time of the day … kudos, uga-brave!
Was it not Polonius who said “you can always fool some of the people Abe, just be careful not to fool yourself!”
For the rest of you who ain’t so smart … just remember that those who think they are, ain’t! I may sometimes appear to be condescending but that’s never my intent … it’s just that sometimes methinks situations call for better attention getters than four by sixes.
Something that might be worth pondering … were I to consider you stupid, would I not also think it stupid to expend the energy required for indulging in what some consider the obfuscatory?
If we’re not supposed to laugh at ourselves and with others, then why did God make mirrors?
And most definitely not am I a master of the language, as some hereon who truly are, can duly attest … as does the above syntax … however, I wish I were and certainly appreciate and treasure the misguided sentiment as a compliment.
He also made a bold prediction that I like too!
That we are all somewhat frustrated is to be expected as are the many different forms of manifestation that we are seeing … we can expect the players, coaches and management to be frustrated as well … what is somewhat surprising is seeing such frustration publicly expressed … or at least the manner in which it’s being done.
I remember riding with my sister just after she got her license … we came to an intersection … she hit the gas instead of the brake … screamed help, threw up both her hands … and safely glided through the intersection!
Afterwards, she shook like a leaf … I doubt that it was a religious experience but keep the faith … God answers prayer!
By Dirty Harry
August 24, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
A man has got to know his limitations.
Dirty Harry sez the only thing the douchebag ever got right was the self demotion from Head Coach to Coach.
By Coach ( This is how the Braves get over the hump.)
August 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Hey , thanks guys. The Braves used a four man rotation all of 1993 and it worked like a charm.
By Colin
August 24, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
I say we just let it play out..we sorta hold our own destiny…we just have to WIN!!!!..
By rammerjammer
August 24, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Braves will lose a minimum of four of the next six games on this trip, and will spend September auditioning Brandon Jones and Brett Lillibridge.
The anxiety is so obvious. A pressing team makes mistakes. You know that. That’s what you saw last night and you’ll see more of it this weekend.
Sorry. Gonna be a cold winter.
By Jonathan Swift
August 24, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Coach - an even better proposal: we make sure that every position player has a good arm. Then let each position player alternate as pitcher. Pitch by pitch, i.e. Chipper throws a pitch, then Escobar, then Johnson, etc. Imagine how disruptive that would be to the other team.
By Stu
August 24, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
I read that Devine has been called up, or at least is in St. Louis.
Efrim (if you’re out there), you said the other day that Boyer was not in consideration as a starter this year or next; is there some authority for that statement?
Seems to me he’d be a pretty good option if the starting pitching woes continue, but maybe there’s some reason that’s not possible.
Sounds like a lot of rain in St. Louis tonight - we’ll be lucky to get the game in.
By Stan, Cycle Man
August 24, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
DOB, the pegs are ready and the drool cup. Pick the bike up before 6:00 PM. Stan
By Yars
August 24, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
What can be said that hasn’t been said already? The Braves need to go on a realistic winning streak. Something along the lines of a 7 or 8 game winning streak. The Cardinals have awesome fans, but it’s a team that has been playing under .500 ball all season long. Sweeping the Cards, then going down to Miami & sweeping the Fish who have been playing really bad as of late. Weren’t they on some 8 game losing streak up until last night? I don’t think any of the teams that are in the thick of the NL Wildcard at the moment are going to run away with it. I think it’s quite possible that after Sunday’s game, the Braves could only be 1 game out of the Wildcard. We can crunch numbers all we want, but both the Cards & Fish are not good teams. *hit man, wasn’t that also said about the Reds, & we lost 3 out of 4 from them!?! I know it’s hard to be optimistic about this Braves team. The reality is, there are still 34 games left. Let’s hope they get the game in tonight. Thunderstorms are predicted for the St. Louis area throughout the night.
By John B.
August 24, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this
GB + Coach: Well, that’s nice thinking. Have 21 pitcher on the roster, and make it a 4-man rotation. Quick question. Who are the other 2 starts outside of Hudson + Smoltz going to be? What good does it do if you still have 2/3 inconsistent pitchers going every 4 days? What happens if the other 19 pitchers STILL can’t get it done like right now? I’d rather have Smoltz + Hudson pitch 6-7, maybe even 8 innings, than limit them to 75 pitches or 5 innings.
By Abbie Hoffman
August 24, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this
OK. Here’s our plan - when anyone other than Smoltz or Hudson pitch, if we are behind at the end of the fourth inning, Eddie Perez phones in a bomb scare using the bullpen phone. Game cancelled.
By flange1
August 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this
Oh my god LEW,
Can you believe it? A 4 man rotation! WOW, we could have never thought of that!
A 41 year old pitcher with a sore body and an surgically repaired sholder and elbow should be able to go from pitching on 4 days rest for his whole life to pitching on 3 days rest after 3/4 of a season and then be fresh for the playoffs,
SURE IT’S GOT TO WORK, IT CAME FROM COACH!!!
By rammerjammer
August 24, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this
Did someone say “help is on the way” and “Kevin Barry” in the same sentence? Surely that was sarcastic.
I have a news flash for you. The “help” is already here, under the names Carlyle, Cormier and Reyes. They are the best our minor league system has to offer.
Man, now I’m depressed.
By Paladin
August 24, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Hey MZ Carroll, DOB gives us a “heads up” when he posts a new blog. It is sort of a “courtesy flush”, but y’all probably don’t have those in the ladies’ room.
By Bobby Boucher
August 24, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Last year, the Head Coach. This year, the Coach. Next year, the Head Waterboy. The year after, just the Waterboy. The year after that, any guesses?
BTW, Bobby Boucher’s movie was filmed in Deland, Florida. Know anyone else from Deland?
Holy Wikipedia!
By Fairuza Balk
August 24, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
Fairuza thinks Coach is gonna be cute when he is the Head Waterboy next year. Even cuter when he is just the Waterboy the year after that.
By Dirty Harry
August 24, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this
A moron has got to know his limitations. Lew lacks the brains for true baseball knowledge.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
Shaun wickman is no closer. Period.
A closer by definition…… closes the game out!!!
When he comes in the door is shut.
Game over lights out……….. Wickman is no close to that, i cant remember a game where he left the bases empty, just last night of course after the HR.
Soriano is obviously a better choice, but Cox, as always, finds something misterious, that is only in his head, (because noone else can really understand) and uses wickman as closer. He doesnt have the stuff, not even the personality, not even the apperance to be a closer…… In life, to be something first you have the looks, im not talking pretty here, but you have to look like a dominant pitcher, and wickman looks to me as if he is coming into the game with a beer on his pitching hand.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
I dont understand why the heeell does this muts fans, if you can call them fans keep coming here to tell us how good their muts are….. They didnt showed that against atlanta in any of their series, they didnt showed that against SD.
Muts sououock, plain and simple.
It is well known in all of baseball, the league has no respect for them whatsoever, what do you have to show? 2 flag for the last 2o years? 1WS (not to mention you would have none if they had changed buckner for someone that could go down for a groundball).
You use more and more and more money just like the yankess and what do you have to show for all that money????????
Nothing, just another mediocre team, that wouldnt even make it to the playoffs if hampton and gonzo was around, and i dont care if pedro was around also……. youll see, i hope you people dont go into the closed or under the bed when october is done.
By Paladin
August 24, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
Coach After brain-flatulence like that you could at least have the decency to fan behind you. And it smells like the drooler crawled up inside you, and died.
By StingerSplash
August 24, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
Change of scenery? Not from last October if you lose 6 of 7 to the worst team in the league. In fact, the Braves will get the same thing in six weeks they had at the same point in time last year - tee times, everybody!
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
Robert its is simple, im sure this braves players dont practice the bunt, cause they will hammer the other team, so they go……..BUNT? WHAT THE HELL IS THAT??? Torre even sat bernie when he stopped performing well.
Check out some of the players that are performing the better……Acosta, Tex, Mahay. What do they have in common? They have not been infused yet by the passive game of Cox, they still know they have to put fire into their games. Look at Mccan and jeff, they already look like chipper, Not even a Grand slam means anything. You think last night single back brian off the wall would have been a single last year? of course not 100% sure. Now he runs slower than wickman, come on he is a catcher not a 100 year old grand ma.
By Lew
August 24, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
Coach-You’re absolutely right. I wouldn’t have thought of destroying Smoltz’s arm with extreme overuse. AS far as bringing up the other pitchers, Do you even realize that KC has advocated this for the past week? Do you even bother to read anyone’s thoughts besides your own? This is what we waited for all of this time you pounded your chest and bragged about how smart you were? Talk about a let down. I thought maybe you might have a plan worth something. According to you, something no one else was capable of coming up with and what we end up with is expand the rosters? And of course, James is out of the equation for at least another week and a half. Yeah, that works.
By rammerjammer
August 24, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
OK, there is ONE reason to hope. There’s an 80 percent chance of storms tonight in St. Louis.
No, wait. That’s bad. We need the rain when C, C or R is on the mound. Not Smoltzie!
Argh.
By Urban Dictionary
August 24, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
courtesy flush
Flushing the toilet at the exact moment of a smelly bowel movement hitting the water as to minimize lingering oders that may eminate off the perpatrating poo. Keeping the bowl poo free will keep the bathroom odor to a minimum.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
This player dont play like if their life depends on winning the game. Thats all. And if you dont do that. You lose.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Muts Fans are wishing hard for the braves not to get into the playoffs than they are for their mets to get there, as they know that if the braves get there it would like if the muts never did……. do i need to explain???????
By Robert(Justice Is The Best)
August 24, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this
Okay, the ripping of my posts needs to be taken into context. No, Kevin Barry is not a savior. However, for the Braves they now have to rely on quantity instead of quality in regards to their pitching. For instance, on days Carlyle starts have Kevin Barry or Boyer as his “stand-in” so to speak. Enough pitchers will be on the staff that this can happen. Barry, Boyer, Hodges, and Smith can be used as co-starters for James, Carlyle, and Cormier. It is outside the box thinking but at this point what choice do the Braves have. The hope is that James, Carlyle, and Cormier can at least get through three or four innings without imploding. This will save guys like Villareal and Moylan from having to pitch two and three inning outings two and three times a week.
By Head Janitor, Next Year just the Janitor
August 24, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this
Hey MZ Carroll, DOB gives us a “heads up” when he posts a new blog. It is sort of a “courtesy flush”, but y’all probably don’t have those in the ladies’ room.
Ever been in a ladies room, Paladin? You would swear the whole 40 man roster had done their business in there.
The Head Janitor, to be called simply The Janitor next year, is suggesting a 4 woman rotation for the toilets for the rest of the year.
Upper management won’t listen to me. The best I could get out of them was to call me Head Custodial Technician instead of Head Janitor. Of course, next year, I’ll just be a custodial technician though.
By Coach ( Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion.)
August 24, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
The children have come over from the other blog. Lew , Flange1 or whatever you multiple personality bloggers call yourselves , your not fooling anybody. I’m out , nursery school isn’t my cup of tea.
By Dirty Hairy
August 24, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
Phewww! I stink! I must have gotten hold of a bad SHRIMP SAMMICH!!!!
By Robert(Justice Is The Best)
August 24, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this
Wickman’s problem is that he doesn’t have that one pitch to get hitters out. Hoffman has that changeup. Wagner has that fastball. Although those two aren’t the best examples after last night. Anyway, Rivera has that cutter. Papplebon has the ability to use his fastball and changeup. Wickman doesn’t have a pitch that is intimidating and because he doesn’t throw hard it makes him hittable. That kind of pitching can work in Atlanta. In Cincy it will get him shelled. Don’t forget his biggest meltdown last year happened in Cincy while he was still with the Indians.
By Salty
August 24, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
Now John B
That plan’s been teased to the blog for days now! Know your place..and never question genius! ;-)
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
GB i also think 4 man rotation is better for us, what are we using a 5th guy for? 3 innings? i prefer using smoltz or tim for 6 every 4 days…. that gives us a better chance to outslugg anyone.
By Dirty Harry
August 24, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this
Dirty Harry is angry. Dirty Harry just got jacked by a jackal. Dirty Harry is going to report this to the AJC staff. Banishment to whomever stole Dirty Harry’s name. Dirty Harry would never say a bad word about Lew. Lew is Dirty Harry’s friend and Dirty Harry is going to stick up for Lew.
SO, whomever stole Dirty Harry’s moniker to attack Lew best step away from the blog a while and leave Lew alone and stop stealing Dirty Harry’s name. Dirty Harry will report you if you don’t leave.
Don’t believe Dirty Harry, then all Dirty Harry has to say is Feeling lucky punk?
BTW, Dirty Harry still thinks Coach is a douchebag.
By Robert(Justice Is The Best)
August 24, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
The dinner rush must be on at the Silver’s. A certain crazed Met fan has been inconspicously quiet the last hour or so. Maybe he got caught blogging on company time and he is getting punished by having to mix the coleslaw or something.
By Cladwell
August 24, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
(Dear Braves - don’t be the bunny:)
A little bunny in the meadow
Is nibbling grass without a care
He’s so delightful as he hops for you
You say, “Hi, bunny”
And he stops for you
You pull your trigger
And he drops for you
Goodbye, bunny-boo
Hello, rabbit stew!
Get me, boys?
Don’t be the bunny
Don’t be the stew
Don’t be the dinner
You have better things to do
That’s why it’s funny
So take your cue
Don’t be the bunny
Don’t be the bunny
By KevinM.
August 24, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
Who came up with the roster change in a great baseball town in St. Louis ???
By Arthur Bach
August 24, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this
Coach, you must have hated this moose.
By Chop Chop
August 24, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this
Holy Mother of God, Wickman was DFA’d. Wow.
By The Duke
August 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Does a grown man refer to another grown man as “smoltzie”?
No.
By grippy guy
August 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
You know what would work better than a change of scenery ? shopping…yes perhaps a new pair of shoes and some boy time will do the trick.
By Head Options Expert
August 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Will someone please explain to ole Head Cooch what the options consequences are for bringing up the entire 40 man roster to pitch?
Does anyone dare do that after the retarded insistence of the Head Cooch the last time?
By Sergeant Salmonloaf
August 24, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
Can anyone on this blog tell me what has happened to the Braves relief pitchers? Why are they so inconsistent?
How is it possible Wickman, Soriano, and now Moylan were so lights out early in the season, and now have gone down the tubes?
It’s shocking to me that Wicky was so intimidating for his first few months on the Braves, and now after last nights blown save in extra innings has been assigned. He has just been awful lately—-a complete 180 degree turn.
And what happened to Soriano? He was amazing early on.
And Moylan seemed to be the most consistent until recently getting lit up.
Why has it all gone to hell so quickly in the bullpen?
Mahay looks so great now, but I fear the same fate awaits him, that after a few months, he will go to $hit as well.
I just scratch my head and wonder why? Anyone got any ideas why this is happening?
By PA Man
August 24, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
“Coach” has left the building.
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 24, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
Whoa, just returned to the blog after taking my nearly 48 hour sabbatical after Wednesday night’s debacle and I read that the Wick has been s@#$-canned. THANK GOD! Warm up that bandwagon, I’m back on board.
By ernesto
August 24, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
Holy Sh%T! They released Wickman???? He hasn’t been greatl lately but who other than Smoltz or Hudson has? Moylan’s been good but whooo-boy, I don’t know…releasing him????
By AZBravoFan
August 24, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
Did anybody see that the Braves just designated Wickman? Wow! Guess they figured they better do it before Huddy’s next start. Who closes now? I’m not comfortable with Soriano yet. Anybody opposed to giving the new kid Acosta a shot? Don’t know much about his makeup. Hopefully he wouldn’t be another Devine.
By Stu
August 24, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
Wow, Wickman sent down!
By Steve from OH
August 24, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
Wow. How can we cut Wicky and NOT cut Woodward. Amazing.
By Willy Wally
August 24, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
I’m out , nursery school isn’t my cup of tea.
Oh, what’s the matter Cooch? Are you now admitting to being a failure as a Coach for nursery school kids as well?
By Lew
August 24, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
Yeah-Coach’s idea is put down about 15-1 and he blames it on multiple bloggers. It isn’t me. I post under my own name only. Just can’t handle the fact that most of the bloggers here know you for the fool you really are. Tried to fake posts and when the fraud was exposed, you blamed bloggers posting under multiple names. Could it just be that we all know what an @$$ you are, Coach and you just can’t handle it? Children? Does this mean they need coaching from you? God Forbid you get anywhere near children/ Moron. Too stupid to realize most here can’t flipping stand you or your absurd crap.
By Gustopher
August 24, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
Great blog CR.
Goodbye Fat Bob
By ijonathan
August 24, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
Hey Shaun
I guess the Braves didn’t agree with you that Wickman was having “a decent year” and was pitching “okay”. Geesh
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
What about this for a change of scenery: Send the Braves back to AAA and teach them bunting, hit and run,stolen base, Base on balls and running the bases. AH and showing emotions.
By Braveheart
August 24, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
Alright, grown up time for the blog and the Braves. Enough with the grade school foolishness.
There will be no yesterday if you play tonight like there is no tomorrow.
By SNIPER-69
August 24, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
Are the Braves eliminated yet???
By Salty
August 24, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
Wickman’s gone? So…Paronto’s back up? Or has a transaction gone down, not yet announced? Hmmm.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
WWOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That guy acosta just made an impression on JS.
Maybe Devine is close to be given another shot.
By Steve from OH
August 24, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
Whew. At least Coach didn’t suggest Villarreal. My head might have exploded there. 4-man rotation is a mistake, BTW. Smoltz wouldn’t survive.
By Robert(Justice Is The Best)
August 24, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
Who is the closer now? My guess would be Soriano. I can’t see them handing it over to Devine. Wow! I wish I had seen a couple of other names designated. Mainly, Chris Woodward. Well, the Braves will get something for Wickman. Somebody will pick him up. I could see the Mariners making a play. Definitley a team like the Dodgers or Cubs would be interested. It’ll be interesting to see who makes an offer to the Braves.
By Shremp
August 24, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
Has anyone seen Moe and Curly? Leave those guys alone with a computer and they can get into all sorts of trouble. Those two are nuts! But, don’t you say it. We stick together. Make any cracks about my boys and I will slap you on both cheeks at one time! I call it a SHREMP SAMMICH!! Nyuk Nyuk!
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
Why didnt they trade wickman for some bench player? Well prado is doing well lately.
By Braveheart
August 24, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
Wicky got DFA’d? WOWSER! I guess Liberty Media is trying to cut down on the expenses of the postgame spread. McBride traded, Paronto sent down, Wickman DFA’d. Liberty Media seems very serious about cutting down on expenses wherever they can to have more available for payroll. That postgame buffet spread might have been the most glaring overexpenditure they could cut down on.
By Robert(Justice Is The Best)
August 24, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
Very profound and true, Braveheart.
While I’m a bit unsure about the move, I like it! This shows me that JS is realizing all that stupid player loyalty isn’t getting this team anywhere. Next to go needs to be Woodward. He has stolen enough money. I would rather have Lillibrdige up here and have him take his licks than to see Chris Woodward hit one more first pitch 450 ft foul and then whiff on the next two. That has gotten really really old!
By Lew
August 24, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
There has been another Wurlitzer Awarded for Having The Artist’s Back In a Creative Manner. Gee Coach, don’t you wish I could give an award to someone for having your back? Oh yeah. The only person who likes what you have to say is NoBrainZone. Whatever. Congratulations, Salty.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this
Shaun maybe you could buy wickmans services…. do you have a MLB team?
By zimo z
August 24, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this
There is no way that Wickman can go to the minor leagues.
The food allowance is not great enough. He would starve.
By MS
August 24, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this
Wow! I can’t believe they DFA’d Wicky.
Even through his struggles, the guy still has a sub-4 ERA and has closed 20 of 26 games. I don’t get it really. I’m actually fine with Soriano in there, but moving him there thins out the setup guys. I wonder if something happened behind the scenes after last night’s game. DOB, CR, there must be something more out there to give us???
By Paladin
August 24, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
What’s the matter, Braveheart, did you run out of “material”? :-) OK, I’ll go eat my dinner and come back with my game face on. Let’s hope the Braves don’t continue the “yokes”.
By Robert(Justice Is The Best)
August 24, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this
Could it be possible to trade Wickman back to the Indians for Cliff Lee? Could Sean Marshall from the Cubs be a possibility? But, Wickman at Wrigley could be ugly!
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this
GB, if you search the archives methinks you’ll find some four man rotational comments, if not suggestions … with variations and their derivatives, including one or more of my own … starting in the off season and continuing through spring training … and into the season.
The relevant thought triggers being the shift in focus brought about by the acquisition of Wickman, Gonalez and Soriano … for, methinks, it was reasoned, if the end came is triggered at an earlier point in the game, then the feasibility and advantages of such rotations are heightened.
I think that the Gonzalez injury changed that as well as concern for John Smoltz’ and his being able to perform well under such schedules … at this point, as I recently opined, it may well be worth revisiting.
By Todd A
August 24, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
I thought Bobby said ‘Wicky’ was pitching great?
By AZBravoFan
August 24, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this
Overlord: they still have 10 days to trade Wickman. Maybe they can unload him on an AL team that thinks they’re still in the race and needs bullpen help and steal a decent starter.
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see the Braves getting anything for Wickman. Isn’t this a one-year deal we signed him to? In essence, somebody would get him for a month and a week, if they traded for him. Who’d think that’s worth trading anything for? Am I wrong?
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this
Apologies … it seems Foxfire has a mind of its own … maybe it’s good that one of us has … the Internet connect went down and when it came back up, it automatically posted what was in the textbox area … had that not happened, “if the end came is triggered at an earlier point in the game” would have been edited to read “if the end game is triggered at an earlier point” … or words to that effect.
By TennesseePaul
August 24, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this
Hotdamn! Can I get a Hot Damn!?!?!
My phone was flooded with text messages and phone calls… Wickman Canned. I had to long on to see the news for me self. I’m amazed. Simply Amazed. I feel good about it really. The guy has been a let down this season. He helped at the beginning but we got a game to win and we don’t need the head ache.
Good luck to ya Wicky. You did well overall, but terrible lately. Rest in peace…
W L ERA SV SVO G
3 5 2.84 38 45 77
Time to win tonight guys. Take it as a lesson to the rest of ya!
GO BRAVES!!
By Steve from OH
August 24, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts:
Don’t forget that there are GM’s dumb enough to do that. Like Steve Phillips.
By Efrim
August 24, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
See ya later Wick. Can’t say I didn’t see it coming.
Folks. The man is not a closer. Not anymore. We may as well throw Soriano, Moylan or whoever in there.
Thank god.
Well done JS.
By Hotspur
August 24, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
Couple of thoughts on the Wickman thing: I’m betting he told them he thinks he’s through. He’s been saying all year that he wouldn’t hesitate to quit if he thought he couldn’t bring it anymore; he clearly didn’t have the stomach for pretending and knew he was close to being done, one way or another. I can’t help wondering if he suggested this move as a way of getting the Braves someone who really can help the rest of the way, prior to his hanging it up at the end of the season. I’m also with Salty - this smells like it’s the only the first shoe to drop. I’m guessing Acosta’s here to stay, as well.
May all be too little, too late, though. We shall see. Start up the Caroll Rogers Suicide Watch clock - I’m feeling like a little hemlock tea myself, lately. :-)
By Braveheart
August 24, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this
Have Gun, Will Travel Actually, no. The problem was the material was coming fast and furious. I needed to reign myself in before I got too carried away and got myself in trouble. We did some good for our boy today. NaCLy even got himself a Wurlitzer. Congrats Salty.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this
Cox will always say everybody is doing great. I dont think anybody is giving us the starter we need if wickman is the bait.
What i dont understand is why they want wickman to go and AJ is still not benched.
I rather have wickman than woodward (i would also add thorman to the equation but he is just a kid, but i dont see much future on him if he does not stops thinking about the fence).
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this
Long tall sally and great balls of fire … the Braves haven’t given up hope and why should we?!!
Bye bye Bob … hello John!!
It could be interesting … maybe they’ve got rookie rules too, even for veterans.
Seriously, there have been signs …
By Stu
August 24, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts, I wouldn’t think any team OUT of contention would pursue Wickman. Maybe someone like the Phillies would be interested, if they want to move Myers back to the rotation. I doubt we’d get much in return, but we’ll see. He’ll probably just retire.
I read somewhere that Wickman “whined” about being asked to pitch in non-save situations. Don’t know if that’s true or not, though.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
No Ron R we are not getting anything for him, maybe another woodward or something like that, id rather give chance to another kid from AAA.
By TennesseePaul
August 24, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
OK Carroll Nice use of the bullet points. DOB never does that. But then, DOB covers a winning team and you cover the sub .500 version of the Braves so I guess you have to do something to spice it up..
And as Chipper said last night, when I asked him if he thought things were going to turn around after he tied the game 5-5 with a three-run homer: “I don’t take anything for granted this year.”
Nope, nothing is sacred.
Reminds me of Janes Addiction… could have read…
And as Chipper said last night, when I asked him if he thought things were going to turn around after he tied the game 5-5 with a three-run homer: “I don’t take anything for granted; I’m done with Sergio!”
Nope, Nothing is Shocking.
Come on Bravos!… Fail tonight and your canned!
GO BRAVES
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this
MS good point, maybe something happened lastnight, as it was clear that if wickman was serving as closer, bobby liked him, i think that taking him out of that role and sending him for setup first before sending hi FA was the 1st step. Maybe we will never know. Good thing acosta is here and i hope devine has mature.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this
While Cox was diplomatic, Andruw Jones provided an indication that Wickman sometimes complained about pitching in non-save situations, like the one he entered in Thursday night’s extra-inning loss to the Reds.
By bravesfan
August 24, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this
Off atlantabraves.com Wickman designated for assignment Veteran closer converted 20 of 26 save opportunities
ST. LOUIS — Adam Dunn said goodbye to Bob Wickman’s 12th-inning fastball on Thursday night, and the Braves said goodbye to Wickman on Friday afternoon. Somewhat surprisingly, the Braves announced Friday that they’ve designated Wickman for assignment. This wasn’t a move made to free up a roster spot. Instead, it’s one that essentially puts an end to the veteran closer’s days in Atlanta.
“I just want to try something else,” said Braves manager Bobby Cox, while seemingly attempting to avoid saying anything negative about Wickman, who posted a 3.92 ERA in 49 appearances and blew six of his 26 save opportunities this year.
While Cox was diplomatic, Andruw Jones provided an indication that Wickman sometimes complained about pitching in non-save situations, like the one he entered in Thursday night’s extra-inning loss to the Reds.
By the time the 12th inning arrived Thursday, the only remaining available relievers were Wickman and Oscar Villarreal, who would have pitched every inning that followed the 12th.
“We need guys who want to pitch,” Jones said. “If you don’t want to pitch you shouldn’t be here.”
By HawaiiBrave
August 24, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Come Home Leo!!!
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this
Salty, you done good kid!!
However, you may have to give up your day job … there are some, not me, but some who think that keeping Lew’s back is a full time job … methinks he’s married to lawyeress, what does that tell you?
Like I said, you done good!
By Train Wreck Bystander
August 24, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
While Cox was diplomatic, Andruw Jones provided an indication that Wickman sometimes complained about pitching in non-save situations, like the one he entered in Thursday night’s extra-inning loss to the Reds.
So who is the closer now? Or is it closer-by-committee?
By This Year, Next Year
August 24, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
From AJC article 8 days ago, Bobby said he thought “Wickman was pitching great!”
The same old story…. if you want to find out what is REALLY going on with the Braves….better find another source than Bobby.
If Stevie Wonder played for the Braves, Bobby would swear that he just needed a few more at bats to get his swing going. “Stevie isn’t seeing the ball real well right now…. but gosh darn it… he’s gonna come around I know it!”
By ijonathan
August 24, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
This Year, Next Year
And Joe Morgan would roll into town with the ESPN Sunday Night crew and talk about how Terry Pendleton was putting in extra hours with Stevie W. and was really starting to make some progress with him.
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this
10 Paul, it won’t get me a “W” but I’ve got your back … Hotdamn!!
There are those of us who think Andruw’s calling the kettle purple … but I like his smile!
Hotdamn!!
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 24, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this
Pathetic that the city of Atlanta has to enact separate laws to force these ignorant morons to pull their damned pants up!!…
By Lee
August 24, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this
No, actually, Joe Morgan would roll into town with ESPN Sunday Night crew and talk about A-Rod and if the Yankees can catch the Red Sox and Gagne’s struggle in the Red Sox bullpen and Barry Bonds’ season and Derek Jeter’s childhood and how Joe Torre is an underappreciated culinary whiz…
By mr baseball
August 24, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
Let’s see if Ms. Rogers carries on the well-established tradition of Braves beat writers and is unable to get to the bottom of exactly why Wickman was dumped. The GM and manager will NEVER EVER provide a straight answer when something like this happens, leaving the person doing DOB/CR’s job to dig into unpleasant territory and risk alienating the wrong people. Good luck Carroll.
If it was Marvin Freeman, you could get Terence Moore to ferret out the real skinny, or at least make something up. Does the AJC have an obese sports writer who will take up the cause of aggrieved overweight closers? Probably not. Speaking of which, where’s Paronto?
One of two things will happen in the wake of the Wickman dismissal. Either someone will step up as an effective (?) closer (don’t have a clue, and the manager probably doesn’t either) and the Braves will get back in the wild card race. Or the bullpen will totally implode and this team will be out of contention before the Falcons play their first game.
Survey says …….
By Charlie
August 24, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this
I’m glad Wickman is about to be gone. His career is clearly over. He has been horrible on the road this year. The Braves season is over. (Although not mathmatically) I watched Wichman blow Hudson’s 2 hit shutout in Minnesota, by giving up 3 runs in the 9th. It was brutal. With a good closer, Hudson would have at least 18 wins. I don’t think we have a closer ready to take over, but they can’t be as unreliable as Wickman’s become. Soriano? Dotel? It really doen’t matter. With their lousy 3-4-5 starters, a winning streak of more than 2 games is impossible, and without a run of 7 or 8 games, we can’t make up the ground that has been lost. Perhaps some kid called up on Sept. 1 can be a positive to the rotation, but it surely hasn’t happened earlier in the season, so I doubt it will happen in a few days.
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this
It sounds like this comment might be intended as a criticism “The same old story … if you want to find out what is REALLY going on with the Braves … better find another source than Bobby” … I like straight answers and have so said … but Bobby tells us a lot more than we sometimes think … and not always with words.
I do wish the game wasn’t on SS tonight!
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
For those of you thinking Wells is a good option for the Braves…….You can now forget about it.
Wells agreed to a contract with the Dodgers, he is pitching against muts this weekend.
By AuburnBrave
August 24, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
pretty shocked about the Braves dumping Wickman just out of the blue.
As for who’ll take his spot, I’m betting on Peter Moylan, and Manny Acosta has been lights out in his first few appearances so I think he’ll get a shot at a pretty important role.
By Bravesfaninmetsland
August 24, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
So, who do we route for tonight? Philly vs SD. This may be nuts, but i honestly feel at this point the wild card is the easiest goal to ascertain, so in that case we route for Philly. Am I completely nutes?
By Mr. Fly, Sleuth Reporter
August 24, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
Braveheart, say it ain’t so. Oh my my my. Wicky gone? DFA’d? Is that “Doomed For Atrociousness”? Cheeseburger is no longer in paradise? Postgame Buffet Spread to go next? Oh…the horrors. I must protest. Now I am left without food material partnering for my reporting.
Fly needs a sidekick. The Lone Ranger needed Tonto. Zorro needed Pedro. Chip needed Dale. Roy needed Dale. Richard needed Liz. Sonny needed Cher. Mick needed Keith. Moe needed Curly and Larry. Mutt needed Jeff. Heckle need Jekyll. Lassie needed, uh…whoever that smarmy kid was. Fly loves the pairing off ceremony, but now Fly has no Wicky…sigh!
Wicky and Fly were together just last night before the game after I returned from reporting a vampire blogger at the Holiday Inn. Fly was interviewing a nemesis of Lew the artist. Fly no like vampires attacking Lew or other friends of Fly. Sleuth reporter barely got out of interview with his life. DOB rode Fly back to the Ted but never mentioned Wicky stickyness. Fly posted his report last night but was lost in the swarm of pesky ventilations and mosquitos and other trollishness.
Oh, something Wicky that way goes. Who will my new cheeseburger partner be? I must seek new friends and new food sources. Oh, my. The horrors…
I must talk with my friend John. He will know who Fly should seek. Will David Wells be my friend? Friend must like food. Friend must like big food. Who will it be? So many questions this reporter has tonight.
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
Mister BB”, … without being on the wall, some things will never be known … but, it, like the ejections could have a positive influence on the entire team, I’ve found that when the boss starts throwing things, it’s best to remain quiet and stay out of his line of vision.
By BravesFanChris22
August 24, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
With Wickman DFA’d, I wonder who will be the closer. Moylan/Soriano/Dotel, perhaps?
I still believe Braves can turn it around. They showed with last nights game, they did their best to stay in the game and a glimpse of the passion they had earlier came out a bit. I think with Bob Wickman DFA’d, it’ll give Braves incentive to give it their all.
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
Bravesfaninmetsland, nobody is completely nuts but rooting for those above you in your division is a bit suspect; especially those in second place.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this
Phillies are our friends right now….. we will worry about them when time comes….. right now we need them to win.
By Mr. Fly, Sleuth Reporter
August 24, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this
Must now take self to taco dinner. Will try to contact John for trade talk. Will avoid swatters, spiders and vampires on the way so can come back and visit friends.
Must Fly away.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this
SD already winning…….not good
By Lew
August 24, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this
Well-The Braves haven’t hesitated to dump players with big salaries this year. Maybe it’s an indication money is there. Bob, Journalist-Not a full time job, I just have so many here watching my back. Salty just got creative while doing it. All efforts were appreciated.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this
Perez walks the bases loaded…… at least the muts dont look goo tonight.
By Ron
August 24, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this
Im surprised what happened!!! The dude did have a DAMN good ERA at home!!! What p!sses me off is BC leaves him in the Closer role ALL year long and NOW gonna release him INSTEAD of making him a 7th inning pitcher!!! Im guessing he will be traded for a descent starter!!! Thats ALL I can think of!!! BC stuck by him ALL year and NOW gonna release him INSTEAD of pitching him in the 7th!!! I expect to see Wickman traded for a Starter!!! At LEAST we could have him pitch at home games!!!
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
Bob i dont think the braves want it to get any harder to catch the padres. So the closer they stay the better. Phillies are 2nd…… but then again, the padres could start running away and the club could lose even more interest in winning (even more, its not impossible).
By chipdip
August 24, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this
braves gotta win baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By AJK
August 24, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this
Carroll:
You hearing any noises about the Braves acquiring Farnsworth again? I know the Braves were in on him before the break. He’s had a rough year, but would be a serious upgrade over Wick.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this
Phillies already tied game. Muts up 1-0
By MEB
August 24, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this
Bob.Journalist… you crack me up!
Wow!!! The Braves have really impressed me today. What will really be awesome… if this motivates the team to a long winning streak. Motivation is a funny thing and I believe the Wickman release could just do the trick.
GO BRAVES!!!
By eric the elder
August 24, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this
An AJC web page has the following headlines:
“Cox Still Confident in Wickman”
“Braves Cut Ties With Wickman”
This is a prime example of why I chided DOB a few months ago about even bothering to interview Bobby Cox. I know it’s his job, but it’s a little like interviewing Rumsfeld about Iraq. Why waste time with a guy who is all spin and no truth?
By Braves Fan 79
August 24, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this
So we set up wickman for failure by bringing a terrible road pitcher in the game….he gives up alot of deep fly balls and we let him face Griffy and Dunn in extras where one swing and its over. Not to mention its cinn where regular popups in turner field are homers there.
So now we loose our best home relief pitcher!?? This is dumb, kinda like how Bobby cant realize whos hot (diaz) whos not (andrew)….and who just plain sucks (woodward).
You use wick at home and unless its a blowout u dont use him on the road! Just like how a few years back Bobby kept giving day game starts to players who were clearly better pitchers at night!
By Paladin
August 24, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this
I’m back. I had birdmeat and chicken livers. That way, I’m ready either way.
By Carroll Rogers
August 24, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this
mr. baseball…….Let’s see if Ms. Rogers carries on the well-established tradition of Braves beat writers and is unable to get to the bottom of exactly why Wickman was dumped
that’s not very nice. tho i know what you’re saying about the front office being on shutdown. but read my story and tell me if you don’t have a better idea of why wickman is no longer a brave. it’s up on ajc.com.
and SORRY!!! that it’s taken me five days to figure out that you guys want me to tell you on the old blog when the new one is up. my bad!
as for the wickman move. pretty surprising thing to come in to find out today in the clubhouse but it says to me the braves were not happy with him at all, on the field or his attitude in the clubhouse. no better time than crunch time to go on and cut ties apparently. the bullpen just got younger, but maybe hungrier as andruw pointed out today.
andruw also made a good point about soriano. that his problems have been pitching to the same spot, away, away, away and now by coming inside to lefties some, he’s setting up that fastball away better and it’s made him more effective recently.
and it’s raining here folks. tarp is on, steady rain coming down and another more intense system is supposedly moving in in an hour or so.
By Robert
August 24, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this
This team, no, correct that, this ORGANIZATION, is the personification of corporate bs
Wickman is misused by the manager - and then summarily released.
After which we hear that he alienated his teammates - of course, it has to be Wickey’s fault, cuz the management boys are unaccountable for anything
And then, as a capper, we get ANDRUW JONES saying
“It’s not fair to the team. It’s not fair for the manager. The way he was going about this business, separate from everybody.”
Lemme see - it was fair to everyone for him to be nothing but a pull hitter, who doesnt have to listen to anyone.
This is what happens on this team. Donk misuses you - you fail and make Donk look bad, and you get cut like smelly bait
The organization seeks to make profit. Thats what they care about. The result, however, is what you see here. An embarrassing legacy of underachievement, all swept under the rug with the primary concern being to make sure that Donk and JS save face
By BravesFanInRockies
August 24, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this
Denizens,
This move shows some cajones by the front office. You’ve got a bullpen that’s ragged from overwork and your closer (who was not going to be re-signed after the season) is griping about pitching in a non-save situation.
You could let the situation fester or end it, send the guy packing while the team is still in contention. I like this move a lot, and it shows there’s a sense of urgency that hasn’t been apparent to us outsiders.
By Braves Fan 79
August 24, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this
Vick suspended without pay! Good now maybe we can use that $$ to get a actual leader who can throw the ball! And why is anyone worried about the mets anymore…ive known we werent catching them since i saw us throw away so many games in the spring by giving orr and woodward start after start. All the while escobar was tearing it up in AAA. Just stupid. Ive seen more bad managerial decisions over the past 3 years …starting with pitching hampton (whos not a big game pitcher) over Smoltz (the winningest pitcher in postsason history) in that game 5 against houston. Its been all downhill since then. I cant even count the # of terrible decisions made this year! I STILL think we can win the wildcard!
By Robert
August 24, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this
I never thought I;d be defending Coach
But the guy puts forth an idea, and then someone immediately lambastes him for it, and doesnt even say why?
His idea aint bad.
The Braves would never do it. Why not? Because it would mean going against “the book”.
See, so long as Cox plays “the book”, he can always just shrug and say it was bad luck.
This move would require balls - it would require a guy to say “I am gonna try something a little unusual in this day and age, and if it fails, I will take responsibility”
Donk would never do that. All he can do is pitch about ball and strike calls, and then passive-aggressively screwing him over to save his own skin -
Sure, Donk still says he just wanted to try something new, but he lets other Braves now bad mouth “Wickey”
Coach - Keep working on it. Three of your five working brain cells made a temporary there for a moment. If the stars ever align all five, and the power surge doesnt kill you, you might realize that running a good idea by Bobby Cox is a total waste of time
By Bob
August 24, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this
Brian Jordan said on the pre game show that he suspects something blew up in the clubhouse after last night’s game. I suspect he is right. Andruw almost never says anything at all about another player so that is telling. It is pretty obvious that everyone on the team and Bobby had lost confidence in Wickman. Hate to see someone dumped like that, but I suspect this needed to be done.
Regardless, the main problem continues to be starters #3-#5 and unless we can plug that gap it will not matter what we have in the bullpen. Maybe the Mets are fed up with Wagner or the Padres with Hoffman after the last couple of weeks…yeah, wishful thinking for sure. In fact, fantasy.
Lets go John tonight if the rains go away. Last thing we need is to start the game, have a long delay and go right back to the pen.
Prado sent down. Ascanio and Joey Devine called up.
By Paladin
August 24, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this
Robert why don’t you just post something one here and we will move it from blog to blog. It is not necessary to come on here and say the same thing over and over. Is it?
By MrC
August 24, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this
This is for Robert…..Instead of blaming Bobby C. for every woe the team has why not blame the GM? He is the one that controls the roster and for that matter the manager.
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this
Tell ya what, if we get rained out, that might not be such a bad thing. I’d bet Smoltz’s shoulder could stand an extra day of rest, and I’ll take my chances against any team with Smoltz and Hudson pitching to ‘em on the same day.
Also wouldn’t hurt for the over-worked bullpen (again!!!) a day of rest.
Not saying it’s gonna happen (I’m no weather man), but it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing, would it?
So the question is, who’d the Braves call up now that Wickmans’ been DFA’d?
By Paladin
August 24, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this
I’m going to bed. This game,mercifully, is not going to be played. Maybe by tomorrow we can call up the entire Mississippi Mudbugs to play it. G’night.
By Bob
August 24, 2007 8:14 PM | Link to this
Robert has all the answers and they are always that Cox is wrong whatever decision he makes. Pathetic soul, but unfortunately that is what he says every time he comes on the blog. You don’t even need to read who the author is, to pin the tail on the Donk..er, Robert. Oh well, at least it gives everyone a chance to rant and rave since a game appears doubtful.
By Interested Observer
August 24, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts:
Devine and Ascanio called up, Prado sent down. Hopefully Bobby will actually use Devine this time. My question though is what in the heck happened to Chad Paronto?
By KC
August 24, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this
WOW.
I am really, really surprised by this move (releasing Wickman). I don’t disagree with it… I’m just surprised by it.
Between Soriano, Moylan, and Dotel (when he returns)… we should be fine.
I wouldn’t have guessed this, but when you hear that he wasn’t gelling as a teammate, it’s considerably less surprising.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts and dont wanna spoil your observation, but if the game gets called……. then smoltz will pitch on 4 days rest in florida…….. i bet you wont like that situation.
By MetsFan
August 24, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this
I can’t believe you guys were so shocked that the Mets said a few negative things about Franco after DFAing him, and here are the Braves doing the EXACT same thing to Wickman.
By AZBravoFan
August 24, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this
I agree with Bob, something must have blown up last night. I’ve been wondering lately how Chipper can go into the clubhouse after playing his butt off and trying to put the team on his shoulders and face these guys that keep on jumping right off his shoulders. At some point you’ve got to say something I would think. So does this mean Huddy can have his wins back?
By Salty
August 24, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this
Lew I’m stunned, and humbled, regardless of what’s accepted!
Braveheart and Bob, J Thank you…means a lot coming from two whose posts I regularly seek…and believe me, I know how to scroll!
As for covering Lews back, I seriously doubt he needs it, but he does deserve it.
By Lew
August 24, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this
Carroll-Now you’re getting the hang of it. Give em hell. A finely developed sense of sarcasm is absolutely essential for survival here.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this
Theyll wait forever to get this game started, and that is good for the braves. The forecast says it will rain tomorrow again and since both teams are in the pennant race, theyll try to play it today, which i think they wont be able, forecast says it will rain till tomorrow with no mercy.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this
So we are looking at a well rested smoltz tomorrow, well rested tim on sunday. Then a 4 day rest for smoltz in florida and 5 days rest for team until NY.
By fastasballs
August 24, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
After all these years of following this team you know Wickman’s DFA was not as much based on performance as it was attitude. This team has enough problems without a cancer in the clubhouse.
The pen just got a LOT younger with Devine & Ascaino coming up. Will Cox actually use Devine or is he just going to take up a roster spot like the last 2 or 3 times he was here? It’s almost like Sept 1 came a few weeks early by getting the fresh, young arms in here.
I don’t ever recall the last time Andruw was vocal about another player in a negative tone. Ole Beefy Bob must have really stepped in it.
By the looks of the radar this game may not be played & if it is don’t count on it starting until well after 10pm est.
By Salty
August 24, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
For those wanting passion…perhaps a sea change is afoot. Maybe the veterans…even JS and BC have decided now is the time, and no amount of ‘buttoned down’ protocol will stand between the present and the objective…playoffs.
MetsFan
There’s a difference, bud: Randolph and some of his prima donnas think they know it all without experiencing how to get it all. Franco knows the work that’s needed. Braves veterans earn status and are listened to…Mets go out and by their version of veterans…it ain’t the same.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
BravesFanInRockies agree with you.
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
Good question…what is wrong with Chad Paronto that he’d not be recalled?
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this
Things not looking good….. no help in the 2 important games going on.
Lets play this game and help ourselves.
By Todd A
August 24, 2007 8:48 PM | Link to this
“starting with pitching hampton (whos not a big game pitcher) over Smoltz (the winningest pitcher in postsason history) in that game 5 against houston. Its been all downhill since then.”
Actually, Bravesfan 79, it has been downhill since the Leyritz homerun. The Braves haven’t been relevant since.
1997 Atlanta Braves 101-61 .623 Lost NLCS to Florida, 4-2 1998 Atlanta Braves 106-56 .654 Lost NLCS to San Diego, 4-2 1999 Atlanta Braves 103-59 .636 Lost World Series to New York, 4-0 2000 Atlanta Braves 95-67 .586 Lost NLDS to St. Louis, 3-0 2001 Atlanta Braves 88-74 .543 Lost NLCS to Arizona, 4-1 2002 Atlanta Braves 101-59 .631 Lost NLDS to San Francisco, 3-2 2003 Atlanta Braves 101-61 .623 Lost NLDS to Chicago, 3-2 2004 Atlanta Braves 96-66 .593 Lost NLDS to Houston, 3-2 2005 Atlanta Braves 90-72 .556 Lost NLDS to Houston, 3-1 2006 Did not make playoffs 2007 ?
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 24, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this
Wickman designated for assignment…now maybe he can sign with Jenny Craig…
By Coach(Hank Aaron is the real HR Champion)
August 24, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
four man rotation = 87-89 wins and a 50/50 shot at the wild card. Five man rotation = 81-83 wins and another season lost. Throwing Wickman under the bus is priceless , missing the post season is all but guaranteed. Remember this post , in five weeks I will be totally correct.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this
Does anyone knows why is cardinals pitcher hitting 8th and their 2B hitting 9th¿?????? Thats how the lineup card is showed MLB.com
Can we do that with AJ also?
By Carroll Rogers
August 24, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this
first pitch at 9:25 eastern weather permitting….
By Bob
August 24, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
Looks like first pitch at 9:25 PM EDT.
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
Bob… I agree: maybe Robert is the Donk here. Hmmmm… never thought of that. Let’s hope this latest shake-up will light a fire under those Braves!
Will be chilling the Boxbeutel tonight and light up a cigar… Life IS good!
By Bob
August 24, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this
Zum wohl GBF. I will just settle for my Erdinger Hefe tonight. Guess you saw that der Deutsche Nationalelf whipped England AGAIN at the new Wembly 2-1. My oh my, Bobby Cox must have been coaching the Three Lions.
By MEB
August 24, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this
Can we designate Robert for assignment or give him his outright release? Just a thought.
Wickman is misused by the manager - and then summarily released.
Robert… this has to be one of the most ridiculus statements I’ve ever read. They needed Wickman to pitch in an extra inning game and Wicky apparently has a problem with it. Are you kidding me? Pick up your glove and waddle out to the mound and get three outs.
GO BRAVES!!!
By Lee in S. GA
August 24, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this
Overlord
Tony L. has been known to do this in the past. That is all I can say about it.
By Savannah Guy
August 24, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this
Another Wurlitzer! Kudos all around. Will artists paint run out? And which player will be chosen as trophy?
Congratulations to Salty for the creatively “watching Lew’s back”, sticking up for the artist and posting Wurlitzer worthy material…Perhaps you should now be known as,Sir Salty.
Now I’ll finish catching up on my required blog reading and see if I can find your post…not there yet.
By Lee in S. GA
August 24, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this
Listening to Chip and Mark Lemke on the radio. Chip comparing the Braves to the Boston Celtics and Chicago Cubs for rebuilding ahead…..go figure.
Most of the callers make the majority of the bloggers on here seem like baseball geniuses.
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this
Bob… I guess the German team is on a roll - a carry-over from last year’s World Cup! At least I had something to be excited about. Darn, it’s hard to stay positive about this year’s Braves team. Too inconsistent…
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this
Well said, MEB!
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this
MEB, crack ups are thinks for which I’m well known … usually things with wheels. If you want to crack up, try listening to Lemke and Carey the younger during rain delays … pieces of work, without a doubt.
Play Ball!!
By Lee in S. GA
August 24, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this
Salty’s bat is going to the HOF because of his performance the other night in the 30 - 3 game. This according to Mark and Chip.
By ernesto
August 24, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this
Just tuning into the Mets game to find that tonight, on their uniform , if not in their clubhouse, they are “Los” Mets.
Got to think that’s got something to do with Manaya, or maybe it’s Latino night.
Either way they’re up 3-0 in the 8th but the Dodgers just put 2 on with only 1 out against Jorge…so who knows….
By ncscoots
August 24, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this
*August 23, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this
I don’t believe in pitchers calling out position players, or vice versa. But sometime tomorrow, a pitcher might just have to die. Chipper may take out half the staff himself.*
Wow, LOL, folks, I didn’t actually MEAN that, you know, LMAO.
By mr baseball
August 24, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this
Carroll: sorry if I seemed a little harsh, but it was mostly directed at one of your predecessors, who was more interested in keeping good relations with his sources than providing honest information on players who were traded/released and why they were discarded. Nice job on the story.
On the surface, this appeared to be another knee jerk move similar to that of McBride, but given that the Braves reportedly offered Wickman to the Yankees for Farnsworth, there was clearly dissatisfaction with his pitching, and evidently his attitude as well. It’s refreshing to hear one of his teammates speak so candidly about the situation. It puts an entirely different perspective on the whole thing.
If Wickman really did complain about having to pitch last night, he deserved to have his fat rear end tossed out on the curb. Oscar was all that was left, and in extra inning games like that, you save your long man for last. Guys like Wagner, Hoffman & Rivera have earned the right to set some conditions on how they’re used. Not Beefy Bob.
It will be quite interesting to hear Wickman’s version once he lands elsewhere, if he’s still interested in playing. You wouldn’t expect anyone to pursue him as a closer, and he may not be willing to pitch in a set-up role.
With Prado going down, the Braves are left with may be worst bench for a contending team in the history of baseball. Other than the LF half of the platoon not in the lineup, the Braves bench consists of 2 absolutely useless pinch-hitters and a catcher who plays once every other week. Maybe Reyes can help more with his bat than his arm.
By Bob
August 24, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this
Lee in S. GA: Most of the callers make the majority of the bloggers on here seem like baseball geniuses.
Lee, now that is a real scary thought.
By BravesFanChris22
August 24, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this
Lead Off Triple - Atta Boy Willie
By Efrim
August 24, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this
KC
I wish I could bring up one of our arguements this offseason about Wickman and Wagner. Wickman isn’t a good pitcher anymore. I am glad that we decided to go this route. I hope Soriano finishes the season strong and assures everyone that he is more than capable of taking over the closer’s role next year. And if he isn’t, then lets use that money we were going to sign Tom Glavine with, as you said, and make a run at Coco Cordero. Otherwise known as Francisco Cordero. If not, then I am fine with Soriano or Moylan for next year. The Braves are definetly going to have give Devine a shot sooner or later. I think next year is a good time. Keep Acosta as well, and Ascanio too. Those are power arms that strike out a batter an inning. That is what we need. Not a “closer” who has a f*** WHIP of 1.51. And more than a hot per inning. Wickman was a joke.
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this
Overlord, I don’t know about the Cardinal order … but batting the pitcher eighth is something I’ve long supported.
By John B.
August 24, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this
Are you callin that like you called the Thorman situation, Coach?
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this
And the beat goes on.
Another runner at 3rd, nobody out scenario for Atlanta, and they fail to score.
We HAVE to lead the league in that statistic. It’s ridiculous.
By ncscoots
August 24, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this
Most of the callers make the majority of the bloggers on here seem like baseball geniuses.
Lordy…that would mean the career of radio talk show host is the equivalent of a lashing with a barb-wire whip. Mercy.
Salty, I have not yet seen the Wurlitzer-worthy content, but I would have expected no less from a young man possessing the elegant education and the upstanding character produced by our fine alma mater. Sic ‘em, boy!
By ijonathan
August 24, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this
Yup, the Braves are money with a guy on third and nobody out. Pure money. Not sure what kelly was waiting for, sometimes you can’t be waiting for a walk, despite Bobby in the dugout yelling “ball four kid” every time a batter gets three balls in the count.
By mr baseball
August 24, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this
Missed in the hubbub surrounding Wickman’s release was the 2 relievers called up. The Braves have an 8-man bullpen and exactly one lefty. Ring is evidently pitching effectively at Richmond and the Cards have several lefty hitters. He would have been a logical choice for recall, but when do the Braves apply logic to such things. Coulda used a second lefty last night in the 12th inning instead of the departed portly reliever whose name shall no longer be mentioned.
By Del
August 24, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
The Braves are either snake bit, jinxed or just plain unlucky the past few weeks. Lead off with a triple and don’t score. Man-o-man. I hope the law of everages kick in pretty quick.
By Steve from OH
August 24, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this
2 reasons a 4-man rotation won’t work:
Smoltz’s shoulder.
Chuck’s shoulder.
Nuff said.
By Overlord
August 24, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this
Typical brave inning
Ill said it again
Teach this guy how to play small ball. For gods sake.
By ncscoots
August 24, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this
mr b, I too found that odd, re Ring. A headscratcher.
By ijonathan
August 24, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this
Del
How is not getting a runner home from third with none out “being jinxed”? It is perfectly explainable by very earthly phenomena…the #2 hitter stares at strike 3 across the outside corner when a fly ball or grounder would bring in a run, and the #3 hitter hits a weak grounder to a corner infielder when a fly ball or grounder anywhere else would bring a run. No jinx or snake bites needed.
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this
Nice…. this time we wait to load the bases with two outs and get nothing, with the PITCHER actually reaching base w/2 outs. Sheesh.
By StingerSplash
August 24, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this
Wow. That’s bad. Not getting a run home from third in the first with no outs. Against Kip Wells. And he stinks like butt.
By Robert
August 24, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this
Why is Woodward still here? Why is Andruw not benched?
Cuz those guys worship at the hooves of the BIG Donk.
This team is about Big Donk. If you dont show reverence, you are let go, and called a troublemaker
Overlord was right - The guys who are doing best are the ones who havent yet been fully poisoned by his assinine mentality
You know - The Braves are the IBM of baseball.
There was a time when IBM was the leader of the computer industry, and the envy of the corporate world
And if you ask Apple or Microsoft, they’d probably tell you all about how IBM is a great company blah blah blah
By MrC
August 24, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this
Remember this comment……I believe in something special tonight from Smoltz……..
By ijonathan
August 24, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this
Okay Kelly, nice. Too bad it wasn’t in the first inning. Now will chipper pull something to advance him to third? NO…WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Robert
August 24, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this
“Wicky apparently has a problem with it”
Maybe Wickman had a reason to have a problem - like knowing he wasnt ready to pitch that night
We cant get both sides of the story. Wickman doesnt want to get blackballed (and if you dont think that happens to those who cross the BIG Donk, you are kidding yourself or dumb as rocks)
By Wurlitzer Winning Effort by Salty
August 24, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
By Salty August 24, 2007 4:14 PM
With props to Styx:
Yeah, I’m sittin’ on this bar stool ‘bloggin’ like a dam# fool
‘Bout what Altanta’s Braves should do..
and I’m givin’ up hope for knuckle-draggin’ dopes and that idiot ‘Old Lew’
Is it any wonder I’m not GM????
Is it any wonder Schuerholz is at all???
Well, I’m a test-tube genius
I can solve the Braves problems without even tryin’
I have dozens of friends , Uh, make that denizens
At least whenever I find ‘em
Is it any wonder I’m not the Manager?
Is it any wonder Bobby Cox is at all?
Is it any wonder I’ve got too much time on my hands
It’s hard to believe DO’B’s blogs’ humanity
I’ve got too much time on my hands
It’s due to the Braves sad calamity
I’ve got too much time on my hands
The season’s tickin’ away, tickin away without me
By Señor Mosca
August 24, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
Está en efecto muy triste para los Valientes. Esta mosca es también la mirada muy triste de bloggers grosero y los inscessant aquel ataque sin parar. El premio de arte es ahora un escudo de atacantes. La mosca no está triste de ver el gordo ir lejos. La mosca conseguirá a otros amigos que disfrutan de hamburguesas con queso y juego de béisbol bueno.
By Salty
August 24, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this
Savannah Guy Sir Salty…funny…thanks! Lew, does not take no, let’s leave it at that!
Scoots Young? Sounds good…delusional, but it’s all perception anyway, right Bob, J? ‘Hold that Tiger’…with you all the way!!!
By BravesFanChris22
August 24, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
Alright McCann.
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
Robert… the only big DONK is you. Change your tune or go elsewhere - this is getting boring!
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
Second and third w/one out; the Cardinals got us right where they want us, right?
Brian McCann’s the man though!
By Robert
August 24, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this
“Another runner at 3rd, nobody out scenario for Atlanta, and they fail to score.
We HAVE to lead the league in that statistic. It’s ridiculous”
But there is no way, no way at all, that it’s even POSSIBLE that the way the team is managed has anything to do with that
The Braves are just the unluckiest team in the big leagues
Again
Ron - Make sure you kiss the BIG Donk’s ring so he doesnt become displeased with you
By Dwight Fry
August 24, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
Carroll Rogers - nice job of reporting on the Wickman situation.
Echoing “mr. baseball” it would be interesting to know what you or DOB knew about the situation prior to today.
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this
Robert… go have another Captain and Coke or whatever your are drinking…
By Das Budster
August 24, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this
This is the sweetest team.If they have 2 runs they make sure their friends get 2.
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
Is this organized torture, or what?
By Ron
August 24, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
MrC Dude you call 2 runs in 3 innings special? If so then yes it is special!!!
By fastasballs
August 24, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this
Wells has nothing tonight, if the rest of the team other than McCann, KJ & Tex get a little more patient they will get something to hammer.
McCann is locked in on anything down & in, he’s been driving everything in on him.
By Bob
August 24, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this
GermanBraveFan,
You can forget it. Talking to Donk Robert is like talking to a wall. Talk about dumber than a rock, he should know. His tired old line is so juvenile that it is ridiculous but he loves to hear himself pontificate.
By Braveheart
August 24, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this
Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto!
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this
Robert… so, strategically, what was Bobby Cox supposed to have his batters do with a runner at third and nobody out?
Kelly Johnson was apparently swinging to get on base, not bunt. Can’t argue with that.
Chipper Jones, arguably one of the best hitters in the game, was doing the same. Did Bobby magically coach 3B tonight, too, and send Willie, or somehow flash a quick sign in to send him once the ball was hit? No.
So when Teixeira was hitting, what, then, was Cox supposed to have him do? Not swing?
Robert, you hate the manager, you hate the corporation(s) that do or have owned the team, so what the hell do you stick around for?
Take a freakin’ sabbatical til 2009, dude. It’d do you (and the blogosphere) some good.
By MrC
August 24, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this
Boy was I wrong
By The Grinch
August 24, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this
Howdy, all…just came in and heard the news. While it is indeed possible Wicky had a bad attitude and was cut for all the right reasons, I must admit a different scenario popped into my head first. ALL season long I’ve found myself asking “Wait a minute…we’re up by six or down by six and Wicky’s pitched 6 of the last 8 games…what the hell is he doing in there?” Keep in mind, Wickman has been around an awful long time and doesn’t have a reputation as being a malcontent; quite the opposite. He was beloved and consumately professional everywhere he went, including here last year.
I’m thinking he may have committed the same sin most of the fans have all year and asked “Bobby, WTF?” Then, all of a sudden, the cake and ice cream party stopped and he got unceremoniously cut in the middle of a pennant race. AJ, of all people, gets extra cake and ice cream for “Telling it like it is” behind Bobby saying “We cut him for just one bad pitch” or some such silliness. I’m not sayin’ that’s what happened, ‘cause I wasn’t there, but it seems the most likely theory to me. Anybody who remembers Jeff Reardon knows Bobby doesn’t cut veteran closers just because they suck, and Wicky is way better than Reardon was when we unfortunately stck with him. Ask Wicky’s former teamates from the last 15 years, and I expect we’ll find out the truth one way or another.
Assuming we want to. I know I do, ‘cause this smells kind of funny to me. Like a bad shrimp sammich. We ain’t talking about T.O., here. I think Robert may have a case.
By MrC
August 24, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this
Chipper is no doubt the MVP of this team
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 24, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
Alright Chipper!@!!! 5-2!!! Can we have a 12-3 laugher, pretty please????
By Southern Jack Rabbitt
August 24, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this
What is the real story on the release of Wickman? Any insider info been divulged?
By The Grinch
August 24, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
Now we’re talkin, offense! Jim Edmonds my behind; he went after that ball about like Fat Albert would have.
German Braves Fan, I’m drinking some Sam Adams Oktoberfest. It’s never too early for me. Prost!
By N8
August 24, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Not sure if our bullpen will be better or possibly worse without Wickman, but I commend Bobby and (or) JS for dumping his azz if he didn’t wanna pitch in non-save situations.
Just goes to show that the Braves won’t put up with whiners and or guys that don’t wanna be here.
Even though it might be a move that’s too little, too late….I LIKE IT!
Out with the old, in with the new. Move along.
Hey, on a good side note, now DOB can say whatever he wants about the man, and not worry about getting picked up and chewed whole by the man in the clubhouse. :-)
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this
Bob… thanks for the advice…. The Great Donk Robert with his infinite wisdom is just too much for me today. I am surprised that he still sticks around. Bobby Cox has managed the Braves for 17 years and will do so for at least one more year, so perhaps Robert SHOULD take a couple of years off and focus on some other team’s manager, like the Royals, Devil Rays…
By Southern Jack Rabbitt
August 24, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this
I chuckled when I heard some of Andrew’s comments about Wickman. Who is he to talk? Is this the pot calling the kettle black?
By BravesFanChris22
August 24, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this
Lets go Braves. They are getting back into it now.
By Mike Mussina
August 24, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this
Carroll, what is this business about talking about how smoking hot Albert Pujols is? I’m just dreamy and Pujols is smoking hot? The nerve of you, Carroll. Mike Mussina is hurt dammit!
Hurt feelings aside, Mike Mussina congratulates you on a very good job with the Wickman story and for a good job with the blog all week and putting up with all the shenanigans of this cuckoo’s nest.
WWBH
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this
Say this for Tony LaRussa… he’s not burning through his bullpen by taking Kip Wells out too early, eh?
By BravesFanInRockies
August 24, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts and GBF,
Thank you.
Again on Wickman —
Recall that the Braves were really trying to dump him at the deadline. My reaction was WTF … but now we may know why.
This is yet another indication though that the Braves may be without equal in keeping their bidness to themselves, or at least inside the clubhouse.
By N8
August 24, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this
This quote is from Chipper on the Wickman situation:
“Wins are important. Certain games are more important than others. If we need a win, Bobby [Cox] is going to make sure that we get it.”
Looks like somebody needs to sit down and tell Chipper that all games are equal, right? Shaun, you readin’ this? :-)
Then Andruw chimed in with:
*” Those guys all got the talent, and I think they’re young and hungry,” Andruw Jones said. “We need guys who want to go out there and pitch. If you don’t want to pitch you shouldn’t be here.”
Wich, on one hand is kinda cool that he (when he’s about to be a ex-brave) would show some leadership ability, on the vocal side anyhow. Yet, is ultimate ironic that the most stubborn hitter in franchise history would rip somebody for not “wanting to pitch”.
That kinda made me chuckle
By Bob
August 24, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this
GermanBravesFan,
Yeah, that would be nice. Ron Roberts suggested the same thing. Too bad Mike Hargrave isn’t managing somewhere so he could go whup up on someone he considers lower than a donk.
Chipper has been pretty awesome this year and Tex too. Too bad we can’t elevate starters 3-5 from awful to simply bad. We might be able to outslug someone once in a while in those games.
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this
Grinch: go for it! I am having some good Frankonian wine here…
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 24, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this
Of course we’re winning tonight…Smoltzie’s pitching. And, we’ll win tomorrow night too. Come Sunday through Tuesday, well…
By Señor Roberto Blanco
August 24, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this
Se parece que cada uno en América está nombrado “Robert”. Hay Roberto, Bob, Bob el periodista, Bob el principal periodista, Ron Roberts, etc…. Hay demasiadas “bobs” para que Señor Blanco no pierda de vista.
By Braveheart
August 24, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this
This is not Wickman’s first time being booted off a squad for being a surly malcontent. In 1996, although a good young reliever, the Yanks traded him away in late August.
He was reportedly known as a malcontent and cancer in the clubhouse when he was with the Yankees, always complaining about the lack of respect shown to him. At first, he was angry about not being a starter and then angry about not being more of a featured reliever.
And then finally being jealous as hell at Mariano Rivera during Rivera’s magical 1996 season. In the Birth of A Dynasty, a book written by Joel Sherman, a NY Post reporter:
“The churlish Wickman sensed his job slipping away, and in the bullpen during games complained about how his new manager (Torre) was using him. He also railed against the expanding role of (Mariano) Rivera, slamming the notion that any hurler with just one pitch could thrive for an extended period.
It was just a matter of time, Wickman told the veterans in the pen, before the league deduced the parlor trick and began walloping one-pitch Mariano Rivera. Plus, if the one-pitch inventory did not eventually nullify Rivera, then he was certain to be undone by his size—or lack of it.”
Wickman sounds like a real piece of work and a real joy to be play with.
Oh, he also seems about as correct in his predictions as Head Cooch.
By The Grinch
August 24, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this
This alone will disprove Andruw’s testimony:
One thing’s for certain, the bullpen sure didn’t get “hungrier” after Wicky left! (rim shot) Thank you, thank you.
Paranto must come up and fill the spare pants.
By Todd A
August 24, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
“Wins are important. Certain games are more important than others. If we need a win, Bobby [Cox] is going to make sure that we get it.”
What is that supposed to mean? That doesn’t even make sense.
By BravesFanChris22
August 24, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
I just found out/realized both Dodgers & Phillies lost, so Braves could gain some ground with a win.
By ssiscribe
August 24, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this
Top of the evening, denizens, an evening in which Bob Wickman’s career with the Atlanta Braves ended.
Weird game, this baseball. In spring training, the Braves had a three-headed monster in the bullpen, waiting to shorten games to six innings. Tonight, only one of those guys is left on the team.
And I’m assuming that one remaining survivor of the vaunted three-headed closer trio — Rafael Soriano — will take over closing now that Wickman’s been designated for assignment. How would Mike Gonzalez, he of the 24 saves in Pittsburgh last year and he who is out until next summer, look right now in the Braves’ bullpen?
I see Joey Devine is back up. Maybe Bobby will pitch him now. Kid has put together a great year. Braves need fresh arms in the bullpen. Bobby, pitch Devine. Jose Ascanio, who pitched well when called up earlier this year, also is up.
Use these fresh arms, and have confidence in them. Gotta get them in there. Most of the bullpen is running on fumes right now, thanks to the lack of production from the back end of the starting rotation.
So, lemme toss this out there just for the hell of it, after having this discussion with somebody earlier today. We ALL agree the root of the Braves’ problems is the starting rotation, right? Most of us also realize there isn’t much help available out there.
Last night, it was mentioned that Manny Acosta — who has looked GREAT so far in his brief major-league career — was pitching three-inning stints at Richmond. Blaine Boyer has been starting at Richmond (he’s started 11 of his 20 appearances, including tonight, when he allowed two earned runs in 5 2/3 innings).
Why not combine Boyer and Acosta as one starter? I’d rather see Boyer pitch three or four innings, and Acosta follow with three innings, then see Jo Jo Reyes get knocked out in the third or fourth inning.
It’s unconventional as hell, but you know what? I think it could work. Look, if Lance Cormier can continue to pitch as well as he has so far since coming back to the team, and if Chuck James can pitch well after resting his shoulder on the DL, then I really think — as KC said several times earlier today — the rotation settles.
But I’d certainly take a long, hard look at combining Boyer and Acosta to fill a spot in the rotation. As for Buddy Carlyle? If you go with Boyer/Acosta as one rotation spot, you use Buddy if James or Cormier gets into trouble in a start.
Once next Saturday arrives, the Braves will receive a big boost from the roster expansion, getting Chad Paronto, Royce Ring and a couple other arms up here. Again, Bobby’s gotta be willing to use them, plain and simple. Again, it’s not “by the book,” but the hell with the book.
If the Braves can get to October, then I say it’s Smoltz, Hudson, and a combination of James/Cormier/Carlyle in Game 3, followed by Smoltz in Game 4 and Hudson in Game 5. If you run out of gas or Smoltz and/or Hudson can’t make it on three days rest, so what? Would you rather run out of gas in the NLCS or in early September?
Anyway, some thinking outside the box as the ballclub is getting back on track (to this point) tonight in St. Louis.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By Shaun
August 24, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this
Good evening, all. Did anyone here Sciambi and Simpson discussing the pitcher batting eighth and batting order? Sciambi actually brought up the research that estimates the difference between a the best possible batting order and the worst is only a few wins per season. See, I’m not insane, folks!
Also, I’ve started my own blog. http://shaunpayne.blogspot.com/
Robert, I’m sure you’ll enjoy my first post.
By fastasballs
August 24, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this
We don’t need a four or five man rotation to win it all, a one man will do the trick, Chuck Norris.
Ink Chuck Norris to a deal & the World Series is ours. He would simply scare the opposing hitters into striking out & if BC tried yanking him from the game we may witness our first attempt at a roundhouse kick on the mound since that kung fu move Otis Nixen pulled back in the early 90’s.
By The Grinch
August 24, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
I didn’t realize that, Willy Wally. My bad. Perhaps I was hasty, like Wicky with a pudding. (Hasty pudding? Oh, the humanity!) I just heard Cleveland fans liked him, plus I checked out Wicky’s Warriors website, and I remembered how positive his impact was last year. I knew not the beast that lurked.
That doesn’t make Bobby’s use of him any less inexplicable, however. :-)
By Robert
August 24, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
“Robert… so, strategically, what was Bobby Cox supposed to have his batters do with a runner at third and nobody out?”
Make contact in such a way as to get the run home.
Once again the excuse that Cox wasnt the batter, or Cox couldnt order up a double -
So it’s just bad luck right. The Braves draw the black time every time. The Fates must not like Atlanta. Pure coincidence.
What Cox shouldve done was to have his hitter be able to change their focus depending on the situation. Fundamentals. Discipline
Things always lacking on a Bobby Cox team
Cuz they’re too busy making sure noone is dissing the BIG Donk by wearing sunglasses on their caps during batting practice
By Mr. Fly, Sleuth Reporter
August 24, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
Sittin’, thinkin’, sinkin’, drinkin’, Wondering what I’d do when I’m through tonight… Smokin’, mopin’, maybe just hopin’…
HEY! I will see if Woody wants a cheeseburger. Or Thor maybe. They would be good buffet buddies. But will they get DFA’d just when Fly has them trained to bring food? Hmmm…
By Bob
August 24, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this
Thanks Braveheart,
Appreciate the information and feedback on Wickman. I realize that authors have their own bias so I will take it for that. It must have been more than just performance that caused this because Andruw is the last guy I would expect to call someone out.
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this
Seems to me that many of us will need to do the unthinkable: root for the Mets… Why? They’ll keep us in the Wild Card race AND they may give us a good match-up in the NLCS… ;-)
By Braveheart
August 24, 2007 11:29 PM | Link to this
August 23, 1996 - The Yankees finally have enough of Wickman’s act.
August 23, 2007 - The Braves finally have enough of Wickman’s act.
By fastasballs
August 24, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
Smoltz doesn’t seem to have the discomfort in the shoulder or if he does there are no signs of it on the mound like his recent starts.
By Robert
August 24, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
And how can you guys let Andruw Jones off the hook for his comments back-stabbing Wickman?
The single most selfish, undisciplined, unreachable by the coaches player on the team has his first truly good game since May and now he’s king of the world and the one to be calling someone out questioning whether they are playing for the team?
Pathetic.
And it shoulda be severely punished.
But of course, it was within the party line - Wickman bad, not Donk bad - so it will probably be sugar coated and cited as “leadership”
By GermanBravesFan
August 24, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
I get it: Without Bobby Cox, Robert’s life ends. He will have no purpose in this life and, much worse, on this blog! Robert NEED Bobby Cox - I hope the Braves sign him to a five-year extension!
By Superman
August 24, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this
Scribe
I have never thought about such a combo but I like the idea. I have been impressed with Acosta thus far and if Boyer can give ya three innings then it could work. The only problem is you loose one bullpen arm that way but with the september callups this should not be a problem.
But on the other hand I dont see Bobby Cox going for something like that. At this point I would like to see them try something a little different.
I dont really keep up with the minors but dont the braves have anyone the can give a chance in AAA or even AA. I dont even know who they have other than Jo Jo.
By KC
August 24, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this
Efrim: For God’s sake dude… if I had a nickle for every time you’ve brought up our Wickman-Wagner conversations… Geez!
My argument with you was over what Wickman did over the past 2 seasons as compared to Wagner over that same period… and that argument holds.
Over the 2005/2006 seasons, Wickman converted 79 of 87 save opportunities, as compared to Wagner’s 79 of 86 over that same period. Wickman also posted an ERA in the mid-2.00’s over those 2 seasons.
His success as a closer Was on par with Wagners over the past couple of seasons.
Did I expect Wickman to fizzle out this year? No, I didn’t. But neither did I predict that Wickman would be near as dominant this year as he had over the past couple.
If I were a GM who could have chosen before the beginning of this season between Wagner and Wickman, I would have chosen Wagner because he’s younger and has better stuff.
And obviously, at no point in THIS season would I have made the argument that Wickman was Wagner’s equal. But over the past 2 seasons, he was pretty much on par with Wagner. That’s what I said, and it was true.
By Braveheart
August 24, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this
Ink Chuck Norris to a deal & the World Series is ours. He would simply scare the opposing hitters into striking out & if BC tried yanking him from the game we may witness our first attempt at a roundhouse kick on the mound since that kung fu move Otis Nixen pulled back in the early 90’s.
I dunno fastasballs. For Chuck Norris to be the answer, the opposing team might have to be as cheesy and unimposing as the poorly written and poorly acted villains on Walker, Texas Ranger.
By Chop Chop
August 24, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this
I was just scrolling through the posts and, although Grinch beat me to it, I have to also say that Robert has a valid point about Wickman’s departure and Andruw’s comments regarding it. The guy’s 38 years old and has enough sense to know how he needed to be handled at this point in his career. According to Carroll’s story:
“…Wickman also alienated himself from his Braves teammates for reasons such as showing displeasure at pitching in non-save situations.
Thursday was such a situation, and came after he had to warm up a couple of times before he pitched.”
If I were 38 years old and possibly having arm trouble, I would rather not have to warm up a few times before having to come into a game. Andruw is an ironman, but he’s also been an ironhead this season. When he comes out as the proverbial “teacher’s pet” in defense of the team and Bobby, it just doesn’t jibe well with the reality of his own stubbornness and the poor season he’s had.
So there you have it. Robert, if you’re going to refer to Bobby as “Donk”, you’re going to have to give Andruw a nickname befitting a brown noser. If you do that, I’ll cut you some slack for a day or two.
By The Grinch
August 24, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this
Ladies and Gentlemen! Come one, come all…it doesn’t matter if you’re into analysis or anilingus, anyone and everyone will be irrevocably touched, moved, be-goosebumped (is that a word?) and flat out flabbergasted by the wonder of culturally diverse, scorchingly soul-stirring, touchingly poignant and wholly human intercourse of…
Shaun’s blog.
:-)
Love ya, man.
By Ron Roberts
August 24, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this
So, Robert, as equally, then as Bobby Cox deserves your derision for first and second inning shortcomings, Robert, does he then deserve high praise for making everything work so gloriously in the 5-run fourth inning?
It has to go both ways, or neither way at all, Robert.
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this
Salty, I didn’t realize that you were one of Mister Howard’s … that helps explain a lot, a true gentleman of the first order he was … he and his boys always came to play … and did, regardless of the score.
I ate many a Varsity dog and many a fry … watching them play, back in the day.
They lost their share of games but never knew what it was to be beaten; sometimes winning when they were … as I would like to think did we.
By MrC
August 24, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this
Smoltz looks comfortable tonight….no long stretches of his arms in the air. Good sign?
By Shaun
August 24, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this
KC,
Well, Wickman obviously isn’t over-powering as Wagner and I don’t think you can say Wickman was as good a pitcher.
Oddly enough, both pitchers gave up 17 runs in 2005 and 22 runs in 2006. But Wagner threw over 70 innings both years and Wickman threw under 62 or under both years.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 24, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this
TheSouthernJackAss has the true scoop on why Wickman was so abruptly designated for assignment today…word has it that Wickman ate all the potato salad that was on the clubhouse spread last night before anyone else had a chance to get any of it…then to add insult to injury, Bobby Cox caught him with his head buried shoulder deep in Cox’s own personal carrot sack…that sealed Wickman’s fate!…
By Columbus Buckeye
August 24, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
Didn’t the Beatles once say let it be? I think that dumping Wickman was a good move… Hopefully the Bravos can get back in the mix. Sometimes youth is a good kick in the pants…….
By Walter Brennan
August 24, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
Joe Simpson endorsing Tim Hudson as the Cy Young Award winner. Now there’s a surprise. He endorses a Braves pitcher every year, usually Smoltz. Until he learns to be a little more objective, I don’t think he’ll ever be taken seriously on a national level.
By ssiscribe
August 24, 2007 11:48 PM | Link to this
There has been a lot of discussion about Andruw’s comments in regards to Wickman’s departure. Some of you believe AJ should shut up and keep it to himself, while some of you said it is a refreshing change-of-pace from what we normally hear out of the Braves clubhouse.
I’m biased as hell, since I spent more than 15 years in the newspaper business trying to get people (including, from time to time, major league baseball players) to tell me what they really were feeling and thinking. I’m glad to hear Andruw speak out. I think it’s ironic he’s the one to say it, given his stubbornness and the type of season he’s experiencing.
At the same time, it shows me there is an element of the players being upset with the way things are going (heaven knows the good denizens of the Braves/MIB and other representatives of Braves Nation are sick of this maddening roller coaster). The hell with the button-down attitude. It’s time to show some emotion and play like it’s October. If that means speaking bluntly to the scribes in the locker room, so be it.
It’s time to get this thing rolling. Smoltz has been outstanding. Just gotta close this one out and keep on keeping on. Get this win, go forth with Huddy tomorrow, and see what you can do against Wainwright on Sunday.
The Braves, if they get six more outs, are three games out of a playoff spot with 33 games to go. Certainly, this thing is doable.
The Scribe abides.
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By TheSouthernJackAss
August 24, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
More good news today…Shaun gets his own blog!…
By Bob, Journalist
August 24, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
See, I’m not insane, folks!
Who’s kidding whom?
By Bob
August 24, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this
KC,
I agree with you on Wickman and Wagner. But right now, ole Billy boy ain’t a whole lot better than Wicky was. He escaped trouble tonight but has blown 3 games in a little over a week. Trevor Hoffman has had similar “success” over the last week.
By Robert
August 24, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this
Hmmm - How about ……..
Jonesey
It’s cute in a kinda paternal-love kinda way, and it could be applied to Chipper too
(who also got extra ice cream for his comment on Bobby making sure the team wins the games it needs to)
Chipper’s comment made me think, and I realized that maybe I’ve been wrong all along
Maybe we really didnt need to win any of those playoff games we lost
By Robert
August 24, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this
“Bobby Cox deserves your derision for first and second inning shortcomings, Robert, does he then deserve high praise for making everything work so gloriously in the 5-run fourth inning?”
Certainly. Cox watched the game marvelously that inning
By Chop Chop
August 24, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this
Not good enough, Robert.
Much like Bobby Cox costing the Braves Game 7 of the ‘91 World Series by not coaching Lonnie Smith up, you have failed in your attempt to come up with an adequate nickname for Andruw.
You have become what you hate.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 12:00 AM | Link to this
Braveheart Cuz…good Wickman info on this night. “if the one-pitch inventory did not eventually nullify Rivera, then he was certain to be undone by his size—or lack of it.” Seems “undone by his size” was foretelling… in the mirror for sumo fella. Fly will miss him as a cheeseburger vehicle, but the Braves won’t. They may have actually saved him from hurting himself.
Scribe Good post as always. Several months ago I remember suggesting a doubling up of relievers for one or two of the 3-5 SP’s and was roundly, um… “corrected”. Too non-traditional. Had I proffered that with your eloquence and baseball creds (and during our current situation), I may have found a more receptive hearing (uh oh…sounding like crystal ball Robert?). Anyway, donk’s and bonk’s aside, I’m right there with you and in agreement with some the out of box thinking needed there.
Grinch Oktoberfest in August. Works for me.
Smoltz A clinic tonight.
Four HOF’ers.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 12:04 AM | Link to this
I meant Coach…sorry R. You get enough grief without getting blamed for something you didn’t deserve.
By Superman
August 25, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this
I like Druwpy for AJ
By KC
August 25, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this
GRINCH: You’re just upset that you’re going to have to trash your “I’m gay for Wicky” Braves shirt! =) lol
By Robert
August 25, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this
Wait a minute! Cox has been calling them Jonesey forever, and he is a genius
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
Smoltz continues to amaze. I’ve said since I started posting here about 18 months ago that I’ve never liked Smoltz much as a person, but by Godfey that sumgun has got something more than talent going for him. He’s about as true grit as Rooster Cogburn.
Great catch by Andruw, obviously.
Braveheart, your Freudian “slip” on Coach is classic.
SG, you said something earlier I found clever and amusing, but I’m too drunk to remember what it was. Just accept this generic tip of the hat.
By Lee in S. GA
August 25, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
A.J. hustled and beat out a charged error by their 3rd baseman. The world is coming to an end tonight.
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
N8,
Certain wins are more important than others only in the loosest sense. All games are worth the same. A win in April against the Pirates is the same as a win in September against the Mets. If the Braves had won enough games earlier, there wouldn’t even be this discussion about some games being more important than others.
By Lofton
August 25, 2007 12:09 AM | Link to this
Is there a bigger whiner in major league baseball than John Smoltz? I’m getting so sick of his little league antics on the mound. He does his pouty act after close calls at least half a dozen times a game. This is a future Hall of Famer?
Smoltzie…SHUT UP AND PITCH.
By Chop Chop
August 25, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this
Face it, Coach. You’ll never measure up to Tom Emanski. I laughed quite heartily upon reading your suggestion for a four-man starting rotation. You are such a fool. Isn’t it plainly obvious that the Braves should go to a two-man rotation? They’re about to be 18 games over .500 in games started by Hudson and Smoltz. You don’t win back to back to back AAU National Championships by being a pansy, Coach. Risks have to be incurred.
By jbutler
August 25, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this
Hey grinch…..rooster cogbum???? That befuddles my encyclopedic brain.
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 12:15 AM | Link to this
Like I said, Robert… it either works both ways or it doesn’t. Inconveniently for YOU, you can’t give Cox credit for the 5-run fourth inning any more than you can blame him for the shortcomings of the first or second.
He made out the lineup; that’s it. Everybody in the lineup got a hit tonight, aside from Smoltz. I don’t give Cox credit for that, and if they’d gone w/out a hit against the likes of Brandon Webb or an ace Cy Young-worthy pitcher, I wouldn’t put the blame on him, either.
Baseball is not a game for simpletons, and yet you (and only you) seem to believe the fortunes of a baseball team rest solely on the person who manages them.
You are a simpleton. This is not your game. You’re a second-guesser, and not even good at that. Maybe we can blame Bobby Cox and his years of management on making you such a below-average second-guesser.
If so, that’s his one fireable offense, in my book.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this
So what do we have here in resume….. Bobby cox didnt have the balls to put soriano as closer all season because if he did wickman would have kicked his azz, so wickman was the ruler in the club.
Was Bobby intimidated by wickman? Or was he trying to avoid wickman to break down in tears?
By KC
August 25, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this
Lofton: Dissing Smoltz? What are you doing in this blog?? Oh right… the Mets game is over. You must be bored.
By ssiscribe
August 25, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this
Real quick, before I go to bed: Why is Mahay in? Why isn’t Devine or Ascanio in to start the inning, up by five? The top lefty in the pen, and he’s pitching in a five-run game? Whatever.
Sometimes, I just don’t understand the methodology of the way the Braves use the bullpen.
The Scribe abides. Selah
—30—
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this
Why does Bobby Cox continue to pitch our only lefty specialist Mahay in these types of games???? 3 of his last 4 appearances have been in games with either very large leads or deficits. Does Mahay absolutely require work every other day or he’ll lose it?
By S T I N K Y
August 25, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this
Oktoberfest in August. Works for me.
Somebody is not a real beer drinker.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this
Grinch Clever and amusing is good. Memorable may be even better. I’ll work on that…but am I competing with brewskies? If so…not a chance. How are the “ears”?
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this
Now some bad news…Shaun’s blog sucks!…he’s back…
By Chop Chop
August 25, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this
What the…?
Bobby’s taking Mahay out of the game with a 5-run lead and two outs?
I have an idea. Let’s use every pitcher every night. Does that sound good?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
I said it yesterday and ill say it again. Why the hell is mahay been used again tonight? His shoulder is gonna explode….. he is the only lefty, no reason to use him tonight AGAIN.
By KC
August 25, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
Grinch: Guys like Smoltz and Schilling are cut from the same cloth. They are special competitors. Most everyone at this level likes to compete, but these guys take a competitive mindset to a whole new level.
It’s that strooooong personality that makes them so great on the mound. But off the field, it probably also makes them the type of people you either like or don’t like.
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this
Also, we witnessed something tonight we may never see again: an infield hit by Brian McCann. I love him like a brother (as much as I can for someone I don’t know), but have any of you ever known a 23 year-old man that wasn’t 400 plus pounds or in a wheelchair that runs slower than Brian? I mean really, I’m a big, big dude for 5’10 with an unusual amount of upper body weight (both fat and muscle) and a surgically reconstructed left knee, foot and ankle and at 34, I’d be willing to bet a crisp Hamilton I’d beat Brian to first by 3-5 steps.
I forgot the seond point I was going to post with this. I hate it when that happens.
WHAT? HE’S BRINGING IN THE TOTALLY EXHAUSTED MOYLAN WITH TWO OUT IN THE 9th IN A 7-2 GAME?
Umm, folks, I think Wicky’s just been about as vindicated as he could possibly have been without a grand jury. Wow. You’d think Bobby would have at least have waited a game before pulling this utterly inexplicable crap. Astounding.
By BravesFanChris22
August 25, 2007 12:24 AM | Link to this
YAY. We gain some ground in the WC.
By KC
August 25, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this
I agree with a few of you who have commented on this already…
Why use Mahay tonight??? Isn’t he due for some rest?
Should have been Acosta or Devine.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this
There you go……….didnt take a genius to know that that guy was taken in for nothing…………bad move, then again he used 2 relievers….. Only 1 pitch by moylan, but i guess you get the point.
By Lee in S. GA
August 25, 2007 12:26 AM | Link to this
Well even though a 2 and 3 road trip so far is nothing to jump up and down about, tonight’s win was SO IMPORTANT.
Huddty wins tomorrow and we are back in business.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this
Andruw nickname I started this season with an Andruw nickname, “Android”, but the worse he got, the more like kicking a mule it seemed (no political reference intended). Pitiful does not funny make.
But if he goes to the Mets next year…say, for Glavine and some young guns…then the nickname will be way easy: Androol.
By Chop Chop
August 25, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this
Grinch, Bobby is designating Moylan as the one-pitch, non-save situation closer. Congrats to Peter on the promotion!
By KC
August 25, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
BravesFanChris22:
Actually, the Padres won tonight. We gained a game on the Phillies… I guess that’s what you’re referring to.
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
Why can’t a reporter, beat writer, talk show host…SOMEBODY ask Bobby to explain some of his inexplicable pitching changes? Some of you on this blog will shrug off tonight as, “ah, they won, who cares”…but it DOES matter. A MLB manager needs to think multiple moves, innings and games ahead in setting up his pitching staff. Now, tomorrow night, if it is a tight game, and let’s say Edmunds is up in a key spot, Mahay may not be completely rested/sharp. And don’t even try to justify Moylan coming in. Boog and Simpson tried to cover it as a “confidence gainer” move, don’t buy it.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
ijonathan i could help you with that last question. But i guess you already have the answer. We all do. Bobby Cox is not aware that mahay is his only lefty.
By Southern Jack Rabbitt
August 25, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
Did the Braves win? I fell asleep and somebody stole my carrots. Had BC been snooping around again. Can’t be Wickman, he is gone……..
Who is this Southern Jackass person?
By KC
August 25, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this
Good news I think, the release of Wickman. He wasn’t cutting it. Let’s get a look at Soriano. I bet he’ll be a good closer. If not, we can look at Moylan.
Good night all!
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this
KC Right on the money. Two of my favorites. When they take the field they are warriors. Rare breed.
By Serbok
August 25, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this
By ssiscribe
August 24, 2007 11:15 PM
Nice Post!
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this
I missed the last inning on WGST … why was John lifted?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:42 AM | Link to this
This team is so good they find a way to win even with COX as their manager…… That talks about the talent of the players….. if they can overcome bobby cox and find their way into the playoffs, they should be awarded with something, some reply of the world series trophy or something.
By BravesFanChris22
August 25, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this
KC (12:30am)
Yep. I was referring to gaining ground on both Dodgers and Phillies. We have to climb over them before the Padres. So, yea.
I wasn’t sarcastic there at all, just saying.
By Mark
August 25, 2007 12:45 AM | Link to this
KC weren’t you defending Wickman on sunday giving me all those stupid stats. You still want to bet me on this road trip.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this
Finally a smooth game, it has only been 3 days but it felt like a month since some major league started a game for us. Good god.
Ill keep the faith on buddy and cormier. Cormier is doing ok, and buddy has just lost it, maybe hell find it again.
Maybe this wickman thing could work as a big time trade move, who knows….. Maybe it was producing lots of tension in the clubhouse and on the field, we will see.
GOOOOOOOOO Braves!!!!!!!!!!!!
By A-ville Ranger
August 25, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this
It’s just one game,that said I like the way the team played.I’m not talking about the bashing I like that the Card pitchers threw 174 pitches that’s over 19 an inning.They drew 6 walks and St louis wasn’t that wild they threw a lot more strikes than balls.The announcers and ESPN have finally caught on to what I’ve been saying since april that Kelly Johnson is the best base runner on the team and one of the best in the game.I’ll say again he reminds me of Larry Walker(in his prime)he just knows what it’s about…….last —-John Smoltz,the old man keeps going out and giving high quality innings while the pups give low quanity and low quality…he’s the man.
By N8
August 25, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
Shaun
I get it dude. Just giving you crap. I actually agree with you on THIS topic. ALL games are important, as are ALL at bats, ALL innings pitched by a pitcher, etc….
I just had a similar argument about John Elway, while discussing QB play. I was arguing that essentially Elway was a mediocre QB (stat-wise) for the first 10 years of his career, due to throwing for 158 TD’s and 157 INT’s (for the record the Broncos were 98-60-1 in those 10 years).
His repsonse was: “Yeah, but what about all those comeback victories?”.
To which my response was: If he had played better in the first 3 quarters of those “comeback” games, he wouldn’t have always needed to comeback.
Same basic idea. EVERY possesion in football, is as important as the other. It’s just that the “last minute” TD drive gets all the attention from the fans and media.
Similar to a “save”. Maybe the set-up guy pitching the 7th inning of a 1-run game had the “toughest” job to due, if he faced the heart of the order, and the closer faced the bottom of the order. But because of the “save” stat, closer’s get all the glory. ANYBODY with a brain could tell you that the 96 Yankees (even with Whettland in the closer’s role), go NOWHERE without Rivera and Lloyd pitcher the 6th, 7th and 8th innings.
But, in all fairness, a team’s “true character” and ability shines through when their back is against the wall, IMO. And this team has failed miserably to do anything about it. So it is “fair” to judge them on their play down the stretch, IMO. Even though their bonehead play in April-July have just as much to do with being as far out as we are, as the August games have.
Maybe dumping Wickman and infusing some youth into the pen, will be addition by subtraction and bring the team together.
I doubt it, but they looked good tonight. We’ll see…
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 12:50 AM | Link to this
Really, y’all; most of us (including me) have hemmed and hawwed all year about whether or not this is the year Bobby’s finally put the eggs in the coffee cup and can’t tell the difference…tonight has flat out told us one of two things. Either he really is so freakin’ out of it he isn’t aware how much he’s just made Wicky look like a hero and himself look like Mr. Magoo, or worse, he’s flaunting it purposefully and doesn’t care, much like big D Cheney shooting the finger in congress. I doubt it’s the latter, which makes the situation more sad than alarming. Unless you’re interested in the playoffs. Sorry, everyone; there aren’t any other viable explanations. Feel free to put one or more forth; I’d love to hear that I missed a possibillity and am wrong. Really. Because I genuinely do like Bobby and I have unpleasant memories of having to take the car keys away from the eldest Grinch, who subsequently wasted away and died. Reality’s a %#$@&. Wonder if Moylan enjoyed warming up to throw that one pitch after throwing about 150 pitches in the last 5 days?
Jbutler, you know who I meant, butt-munch. :-)
By Katie Temple
August 25, 2007 12:51 AM | Link to this
I can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.
Really.
How do you think I got my job?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this
The good news here is that SD has a very tough schedule coming…….. arizona twice, LA twice, Philly, Milwauke, but they also play SF, colorado, pitts and hou. At least SF and Colorado which are in their division, could try to play spoilers, you never know. Philly has not looked good last 3 games or so.
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this
Shaun Payne you might try being more succinct and less subjective on your blog … try removing the colorful modifiers like “In an age when broadcasters impress viewers with their knowledge of the game, Sciambi and Simpson offer a different approach” … it’s easier to read and more on point.
By Bobbby Cox
August 25, 2007 12:59 AM | Link to this
Et tu Grinche’?
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 1:01 AM | Link to this
Katie, voton1066@yahoo.com. I just so happen to have a trailer hitch I was just saying today has WAY too much chrome.
BTW, I made that last post into three paragraphs; not sure why it didn’t come out that way.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 1:01 AM | Link to this
Stinky…real men drink what? Hey, I’m from a town who’s citizens find out what you drink before your name, rank, serial number, occupation or if you came over on the Mayflower. Kinda’ nice if you think about it. It’s a drinking community with a fishing problem.
Good morning, good evening and good night. Erin go Bragh if you are so inclined.
By S T I N K Y
August 25, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this
Shaun Payne you might try being more succinct and less subjective on your blog…
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black…
By A-ville Ranger
August 25, 2007 1:13 AM | Link to this
N8 Your case that all runs etc are equal regardless of when they’re scored doesn’t hold water.Look at all the runs this team scores in routs,then look at all the games lost when one hit would have won the game.Same goes for closers, champions whether it’s Jordan in basketball or Reggie Jackson in baseball rise to the occasion,it’s true for teams as well.If what you say was true the Braves would be about 14-6 over the last 20 games.
By Katie Temple
August 25, 2007 1:14 AM | Link to this
Grinch, something tells me that you’re green (with envy) for a reason.
By Todd A
August 25, 2007 1:23 AM | Link to this
Grinch, you’re on a roll tonight.
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 1:28 AM | Link to this
Bob, for better or for worse, Stinky got you on that one, my friend.
SG, Jim Beam and Jim Beam: shaken, not stirred. Actually, not shaken either.
Katie, there’s a part of me that remains purple for a reason. Why should I be envious? If I can beat B-Mac down the line I should be able to get an exclusive…
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 1:44 AM | Link to this
What’s with these questionable bullpen moves on a nightly basis. I know Mahay was warmed up as was Moylen so why not run them out there, right? Well one might ask why they were even up to begin with, but once Smoltz got out of the 8th it was time to bring in one of the kids & let those two rest because they will be needed if tomorrow’s game is close & for sure on Sunday. Why burn out the lefty specialist in non lefty specialist situations? He’s been in virtually every game as of late.
The use of the bullpen by Cox is not very indicative of a manager who is dubbed as the master of the 162 game schedule.
By jed
August 25, 2007 1:46 AM | Link to this
it must be that the braves just could not stand wickman as a teammate anymore. if it werent personal, they’d have just demoted him to 7th inning work. i’d imagine DOB’s been biting his lip this whole season, so hold back no more, please. what in gawd’s name has been going on in the clubhouse, dave?
By uga-brave
August 25, 2007 1:52 AM | Link to this
just got back from downstairs at CHOPS, and yes CARROL you are right about st. louis, all braves fans i encouarge you to go there. stay at the hyatt where the braves usually stay. from there you can walk to the stadium and then walk to the casinos, though the better casino is on the other side of the river. the people of st. louis are true baseball fans. these people really love the cards, not to many transcients there. had dinner at anthonys great steak house.
on to the braves, kudos for getting rid of wick. i had no idea this guy was as selfish as he is. what a difference it makes when we get a quality start. if we only had one more dependable stater, we would not have this angst. i encourage WAYNE FROM UTAH to end his hiatus, BRAVE-DAVE is without a doubt the most intelligent poster i have read, but we all really like to argue and without you WAYNE, me and DAVE HAVE NOBODY THAT IS SOMEWHAT INTROSPECTIVE TO ARGUE WITH. so come back.
like i said last night got a weird hunch about this team. i know it looks easier when smoltz and hudson are out there, but got a strange hunch. things even out over 162, and i think the breaks are coming our way. I.E. ECSTIEN DOES NOT MAKE ERRORS OFTEN, and for once we went through the door.
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this
News Flash!!Bob Wickman was just seen at the local Krispy Kreme,with an Andruw Jones wanted poster,Lofton,and Anders were also spotted in this vicarious part of town sporting a new pair of thongs and smelling of cheap whiskey as the two peckerchompers checked in down at the local Roach Coach Motel together!!!!!!!
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 2:01 AM | Link to this
Fastasballs, you said something funny and or witty earlier, but I don’t recall it. Kudos, anyway. And the same should be said for a half-dozen or so others. Now’s the time when I normally grab someone and put ‘em in a headlock while I forgive them of their sins (both real and imagined), but this is a blog so I’ll just go eat a sandwich and pass out instead. Rock on, all who know who you are. BTW, I took a recent hiatus to check out about 5 versions of Stranglehold and Great White Buffalo by Uncle Ted on YouTube and he’s still the ^&#@-ing man. Not sure what that’s appropos of…oh, yeah; rocking on. :-) Time for a bowl and Sabbath.
Thanks for reminding me I’m hungry again, ToddA (speaking of rolls).
By uga-brave
August 25, 2007 2:05 AM | Link to this
hey for cryin out loud quit rippin ANDRUW, he aint the reason why the braves are where they are. he is a great teamate and he ACTUALLY
LOVES THE UNIFORM HE WHERES ON HIS BACK. i know his season has not been up to standards, but he could of easily said he was really hurt and used it as an excuse. THIS GUY BASICALLY CARRIED US THE LAST TWO YEARS.
if he is gone next year, we including myself will all be saying DRUW WOULD OF GOTTEN THAT BALL.
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 2:06 AM | Link to this
Fly you should consider Chino as your new sidekick,he’s large VERY LARGE and round too..maybe you guys could be the team of Chino and the Fly???or a sitcom called Cadahia soup???just a thought..
Meanwhile Local Authorities have raided a certain Roach Coach Motel where two Identified males were taken into custody in their new leather thongs,for filming illegal movies in the US yes the movie Eau deMasclinde Tart washalted during this raid as the films co-stars Anders,and Lofton were jailed for impersonating a man!!!
Back on the Wickman front He was last heard Screaming take that Andruw,I just eat the last Jelly filled Doughnut Doughboy!!!I’ll Get you Yet!!!
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 2:10 AM | Link to this
Now before I turn in for the evening,Hello to my friends Savannah guy,Paladin,Lew how are you my friend,and SJA how the hell ya been??? you never answered my email…Coach dude just SHADDUP!!!!
By BravesDave
August 25, 2007 2:12 AM | Link to this
Hey, I miss one night on the blog because I have to go to a wedding and all hell breaks loose. I was absolutely shocked to Wickman dumped. I love it, but it was still shocking. I think this may go back to a discussion that some (including me) were having with Shaun this afternoon about fire and desire. Apparently, Wickman didn’t have it. So, see you later, pal. Maybe a little message there, if you don’t want to give 110% for this team, you don’t need to take our $6M.
Tivo’d and watched the game a little while ago. Looked scary early with the continuous stranding of leadoff runners. Overall nice win. Not unexpected with Smoltzy on the hill against Kip Wells. Bad/strange bullpen management using two relievers in the 9th in a 7-2 game.
uga, thanks for the compliment. Good info on St. Lou. I hope we can call you Nostradomus-uga next week after the win streak that you are predicting.
By BravesDave
August 25, 2007 2:21 AM | Link to this
Another note on Wickman. Very interesting that Chipper calls him out after the game on Thursday saying “we can execute a pitcher covering first” and the next day, he is gone. Maybe if some guys in this clubhouse stepped up a little sooner this season and showed some fire, called out some teammates, things would have turned around here. Maybe if someone said “Woodward needs to get his head in the game”, Woodward would have been dumped the next day. Look, Smoltz was perceived to call out Chipper when he was on the verge of going on the DL with a groin strain. Since then, Chipper has been on one of the hottest tears of his career outside of his MVP season.
Just saying…end the business-like approach and maybe this team turns it around in the last 30 games. We caught the Phillies, now let’s pass ‘em and get after the Padres.
By uga-brave
August 25, 2007 2:22 AM | Link to this
TONIGHT WE MADE IT LOOK EASY against a hot team, for whatever reason we made the REDS look like murders row. BLAH BLAH BLAH, i know that most of you are going to say well that was SMOLTZ. MY POINT is why do our young pitchers not pitch to contact more. MCDOWELL at some point must take responsibility, dont get behind in the count, dont walk people. for the love of baseball if they know ur 3-1 fastball is coming they are probably going to hit it.
By uga-brave
August 25, 2007 2:49 AM | Link to this
130 or so in the book and we have lost games that make a root canal look like a day in the park. what really makes me squirm is just think if we had better pitching. take away hudson and smoltz and our team e.r.a is around 5.5. I FOR ONE do not believe that chucky was hurt. methinks that chuck the window framer is just kind of indifferent. i think that bobby is pulling a ROBERT DENIRO IN GOODFELLAS, he is getting rid of guys that just dont care.
i for one applaud him, this team and their leaders sure seemed to think the same way, just read mark bowmans article.
By uga-brave
August 25, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this
ACTUALLY BRAVE-DAVE,
i am somewhat basing my prediction on matmatic progressions, the odds of the braves not winning more than five in a row all season are somewhat around 16%. that being said still got that weird baseball hunch that bobby has laid down the final gaunlet. really think that ANDRUW is going to step up. and no i might have had a few glasses of pinot, but i think it is coming. way to go BOBBY get rid of somebody that puts himself ahead of the team.
By Carroll Rogers
August 25, 2007 3:25 AM | Link to this
good conversation tonight, good people…..tho i do have a bone to pick. i read all about how bobby is so frustrating because he says one thing one day and then another the next, and now you guys (robert) are miffed that andruw came out and threw wickman under the bus? do you want the perspective of what’s going on in the clubhouse or would you rather a bunch of no comments all over the place? i, for one, was pleased with andruw’s frankness because i believe it brought us closer to the truth. and by the way, robert, he even addressed your comments about the shots wickman could take back at him. wish i’d have put it in my story but i was kinda scrambling.
“Probably he thinks something about me - hopefully I can starting hitting or doing the job I’m supposed to do - but I go out and play.” - said Andruw. i’m sure you’ll feast on that, but i wanted to at least throw it out there.
look, it’s interesting to look at this thing from another perspective, and i applaud your outside-the-box thinking, grinch, etc. if wickman had been the kind of guy to say hello to reporters, much less give them a phone number, i’d gladly have given you his perspective today. but my impressions of what’s going on are in line with what i wrote today. really don’t think i would lead you guys that far astray.
yes it’s one thing to pitch for the fifth time in eight days in a five-run game, but not necessarily, if you’ve already been up in the pen when the game was only one run. and most certainly that’s not a big deal to me when you’re in a tied 12-inning game in cincinnati and you’re down to one other reliever who is your long guy and can pitch three innings if need be, and you’re a closer and not happy about going in.
braveheart is on to something. read his post, about the yankee book. and very impressive on the research, by the way. he’s come as close to anything i’ve heard behind the scenes as any of these theories online today. and yes i’d heard rumblings about this just in the last couple weeks, about him alienating himself from teammates for various reasons. and it wasn’t that hard to see just looking around the clubhouse and seeing him alone at his locker.
anyway, it’s 3:20 in the east and i’m still up. i must be under the influence of the Braves/MIB now. it only took a week, eh?
oh and completely uncalled for and bogus rip of katy temple on the blog. and to say something like that on the blog of a female sportswriter is just ignorant. take that talk somewhere else, it’s not welcome here.
By BravesDave
August 25, 2007 3:35 AM | Link to this
Well, mathematics, gut feelings, whatever, I still hope that the winning streak happens. Even though I have been feeling pessimistic, there is still some room for hope in the far recesses of my mind.
By BravesDave
August 25, 2007 3:48 AM | Link to this
Carroll, I absolutely loved the comments from Andruw and Chipper over the past two days. Just like I loved the mild controversy between Chipper and Smoltz earlier this season. There is just something about a team that rarely has a public comment on anything that passes as news. Maybe they internalize too much. I don’t expect Cox to be out there ripping his players on a nightly basis, but when you see someone like Chipper make a statement, I think it resonates. Also, as poorly as Andruw has played, the man gives up his body for the team every night. He may not be producing, but I don’t question the fact that he will dive for any ball remotely within his range. I would love to see him hustle down the line a little more, maybe take a different approach at the plate, but I do think he is committed.
I really hope that dumping this guy lights a spark for this team. Hey, you are the ‘closer’, you make $6M a year……you’re gone. What do you think about that Buddy, Chuck, Lance, Tyler, etc??? There is not much time left.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 4:02 AM | Link to this
“August 23, 1996 - The Yankees finally have enough of Wickman’s act.
August 23, 2007 - The Braves finally have enough of Wickman’s act.”
Looks likes Cox thinks about 9 years slower than Torre
Sounds about right
By Robert
August 25, 2007 4:09 AM | Link to this
Or maybe it’s 11 years slower
Now I know how Bobby thinks
By Train Wreck Bystander
August 25, 2007 4:27 AM | Link to this
My final comments on the Wickman departure:
I hate to see a good arm leave - and Wickman is a good arm at times. Last year he was hailed as a bullpen savior and he gave the pen some leadership and stability last fall when it was desperately needed.
I found it interesting to hear the comments from all the reporters who cover the Braves - not one seemed surprised at the move. That speaks volumes.
It will be interesting to see who ends up being the go-to guy. I am wagering Soriano is able to take the role and run.
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I still believe in these Atlanta Braves.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 4:32 AM | Link to this
The scene opens with a birds eye view of the room from the ceiling cam. It pans the room, and we see — a mess - three empty pizza boxes on the floor, about a case worth of beer bottles scattered on the ground, window open and curtains fluttering in the summer night’s breezes, and the mini-fridge open with a few brewskis still in the door. As we zoom in on the bed, the phone rings. The covers are thrown back, and the disheveled mug of Corky Miller appears.Rubbing the sleep from his eyes, Corky answers the phone
Corky - (sounding tired and a little irritated) Yeah hello? Oh yes sir. Just a minute sir.
He turns back to the bed and puts his arms on the shoulder of the formless mass lying next to him in bed. Sweetie wake up. Snookems? Wake up man
Wickman - (slowly rolling over, nearly crushing Miller, rubbing his eyes, stretching, burping, and releasing a “motorcycle engine” burst of intestinal gas - Jeezus, what.
Corky - Phone for you
Wicky - What? What time is it
Corky - 9AM
Wicky - What the frick kind of moron calls me at 9AM
Corky (frantically, and trying to cover the mouthpiece with his other hand) SSSHHH!!! (points at mouthpiece) It’s HIM!
Wicky - Whatchu talkin about you little troll? Who is him? Leamme alone man -
Corky - (anxiously poking at Wickman’s shoulder, and then, when he rolls over again, mouthing the letters D-O)
Wicky - Oh Ok. Gimme that. (trying to sound cheerful but it comes out in the middle of a yawn (and another explosion of pent up bowel gas) Mornin Donk. What can I you for?
Corky Miller almost faints at hearing this
Donk - You listen here. Me BIG Donk. Me Boss. You no do what BIG Donk say. You go now
Wicky - What? Wait a minute - Slow down you rat-eared …
Donk - You no talk back at BIG Donk. I said you GO now
Wickman - Fine. Your welcome for the carrots. (lays the phone receiver next to the phone on the table and gets out of bed and heads for the restroom, giving his expansive gluts a good scratch.
Corky - (picking up the phone) I had nothing to do with it sir. I tried to tell him. Dont worry sir. I know you’ll find a way for us to win the games we need to win
Wickman - calling out as the shower starts running - Hey Cork. Hang up the phone woulda man
Corky - (loud and angry, no hand on the receiver) Hey, I dont KNOW you man. Ok? I dont KNOW you. Getta out my room man. I aint goona have you talkin bout him like that man - (and now into the phone) I was gonna tell you sir, but he threatened me. I never liked him sir
By Robert
August 25, 2007 4:43 AM | Link to this
Carol - So frantic to toe the party line that we forgot to capitalize?
You know what? I think Andruw knows he’s in BIG Donk’s favor, and he’s working hard to keep those long ears wrapped around his pull-hitting fingers.
I wouldnt be surprised if he was nuzzling the Donk and feeding him a sugar cube when he made his comments
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 5:28 AM | Link to this
Grinch, “Bob, for better or for worse, Stinky got you on that one, my friend” … I think not but, ‘twas beauty that killed the beast and, as always, is in the mind’s eye of the beholder.
If you didn’t see Shaun’s homepage, the actual rhetoric was “In an age when broadcasters are often trying to impress viewers with their superior knowledge of the game, Sciambi and Simpson offer a fresh, intelligent approach” … which I thought was very nicely expressed, on point and easy to read … rather succinct too.
Shaun was being complimentary toward the two broadcasters, recommending that folks listen to their broadcasts … methinks it’s impossible to get from his to mine by simply eliminating the modifiers.
Mine was obviously nonsense that reversed Shaun’s meaning and was intentionally expressed so as to evoke the equally obvious “pot - kettle” mind trigger that would hopefully provide a “knowing” laugh for Shaun and others who had read actual language … without the aid of a “laughter” cue card such as the one provided by little Stinky.
As an aside, methinks that unless you’re bottom fishing on a party boat, you cut bait rather than fish when little Stinky gets on the line … trash fish aren’t good to eat and he’s much too small to otherwise keep.
Unless you believe that I wasn’t aware or hopeful that the “pot - kettle” mind trigger would be evoked, then you know that it was I that got me, not little Stinky.
I do hate canned laughter and audience prompting cue cards but if you think or believe I was bested then ‘twas little Stinky triggering the laughter … I laughed too, ‘tis something of which we’re all in need!
So mon ami, it was for the better rather than the worse, regardless of who got whom.
By Serbok
August 25, 2007 5:29 AM | Link to this
Carroll Hope ya made it to 4:20? :o)
By Serbok
August 25, 2007 5:43 AM | Link to this
I really wish I could post how I really feel~ about ~~ Shyte Whens DOB gonna be back?
By Serbok
August 25, 2007 6:00 AM | Link to this
DOB Thanx for the Heads up bro?
yes i’d heard rumblings about this just in the last couple weeks, about him alienating himself from teammates for various reasons. and it wasn’t that hard to see just looking around the clubhouse and seeing him alone at his locker.
I dont wanna say goodbye to the blog~ But Damn man:o( Guess I will go back to reading~(maybe?) LOL
By ncscoots
August 25, 2007 7:21 AM | Link to this
random thoughts on the overnights…Bob, in a conversation with Coach Howard once upon a time, I mentioned that I thought it presumptuous of me to call him “Coach”, since I didn’t play on his football team. His reply was, “Son, my friends call me Coach, too”. That implication was a highlight in a young man’s life…SG, I’ve long meant to tell you that Savannah was my first port of call after college and government-sponsored firearms training. Absolutely loved that town. Mrs. Wilkes’, St. Patrick’s Day, the little street squares, and major babe-itude. And who WERE your mama’s people, LOL?…would the Braves not want Ring on any postseason roster? Then why not have him up if you’re going to carry 13 pitchers right now?…I can understand that Bobby wants to get a feel of where he can use newer arms such as Acosta, Ascanio, and Devine; but what safer situation is he going to find than a 5-run lead in the 9th? Seems that would have been a good place to use one of them…Soriano as closer, I’m good with that. Most likely that would have been the call next year, anyway. Might as well find out now.
By Will
August 25, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this
Thank God Wickman is gone. He had obvoiusly lost his game this season, and if he is gonna bring attitude problems to top it off then screw him. At least they are making an effort to shake things up. Another great performance by Smoltz last night, it was much needed.
By TampaBrave
August 25, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this
What the hell? I thought all closers were supposed to be weird selfish a*****. I hope this move pays off. If this doesn’t light a fire under the team, I don’t know what will. Personally, I think we are done. Saw that we are 4 games back in the loss column to SD, who appears to realize its GO TIME. How about the Braves shut their pieholes with the media and all climb in the bunker and lets get rolling.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this
Some “commentary”:
My God, I found myself in agreement with BravesDave on several posts. In the interests of our truce I will leave who is smartening up, and who is dumbing down, to the eye of the beholder. :-)
Grinch was indeed on a “roll” last night. I wonder who rolled him to bed. :-)
Mz Carroll issued a well-deserved “watch it!” on one line of “humor”. As one who approaches the line, himself, I found that to be offensive.
jbutler I’m not sure Grinch knows that you are a lady. In answer to your question: “Rooster Cogburn” was John Wayne’s character in True Grit. I don’t remember what the reference was to “him”; you will have to work that out for yourself.
Salty Congratulations on your induction into the blog’s HOW(Hall of Wurlitzer). Grinch is purple(since green is his normal color)and I am green, with envy. Good job, however.
I visited Shaun’s blog, but after 5 minutes of scrolling I was still in the introduction.
Welcome back to my buddy, joebrave. What do you say, old friend, and who made your bail? :-)
Enough for now. This is becoming a “tome”. But first, congrats to the Braves. GO BRAVOS!!
By SNIPER-69
August 25, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this
Things are looking up in Mets nation. The remaining schedule seems managable. Pedro is a week away. Endy Chaves is back and Lo duca will return by the end of the month. Everything is coming together at just the right time. This ia all bad news for the Braves who their fans insist are better than the Metropolitans. I guess not.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this
Just what we need on this lovely Saturday morning, a Muts fan posting something that “it” thinks we will find “interesting”. Not!!
By brent a.
August 25, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
Way to early for a 4-man rotation.
Old, tired pitchers. Hudson might pitch a game or two okay, on short rest, but ultimately, we’ll wear the top 2 guys out.
Talk to me the last week of the season.
Back in ‘91, Cox brought Glavine back early to face the Dodgers, and it backfired. It’s okay. You learn from experience.
Again, last 2 weeks of the season, I can certainly see skipping the likes of Carlyle or Cormier (whose last 2 starts have been good, by the way), and see if Huddy and Smoltz can deliver, but until then, you’re just asking for trouble.
By Will
August 25, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
Tampa, I bet you are especially upset getting rid of Wicky! It made my day. It will still be a gut wrenching mess no matter who is closing. I do agree with though, i am not sure it matters all that much as far as getting the Braves to the playoffs. I will no longer have my hopes up at all until somebody other then Smoltz/Huddy gets a W!
By SNIPER-2007
August 25, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
SNIPER-69 Bang! You’re dead.
By brent a.
August 25, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
I looked up the Glavine thing in ‘91.
Glavine pitched on Sept. 13, 18, and 22nd, the first and last against the Dodgers.
The Braves lost both games against the Dodgers, and the second game, Glavine lasted only 4 innings, giving up 3 runs on 8 hits, and walking 2.
For the record, Glavine did win the middle game, a solid performance on a Wednesday night at San Diego.
By Will
August 25, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
Sniper-69, The funny thing is the Braves are better then the Mets, they will just not be catching them in the division cause of their troubles against everyone else. Head to head the Braves have pounded the Mets this year, and for years before. Other then last year the Mets are the Braves b***!
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
Again, last 2 weeks of the season, I can certainly see skipping the likes of Carlyle or Cormier (whose last 2 starts have been good, by the way), and see if Huddy and Smoltz can deliver, but until then, you’re just asking for trouble.
brent a. If that “strategy” is successful, and it helps us to reach the playoffs, who will you pitch then? Jo Jo?
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Just catchin’ up with some folks before I hit the pavement and pay for last nights Voodoo Yoohoos:
Paladin Top o’ the mornin’. When I came back from taco dinner, there you were…gone. Early to bed again I see. Well, I guess the jinx of you hitting the sack equals Braves loss has been broken. Now it’s time for my morning run but it’s gonna be tough…up too late. On the other hand, Grinch may not see daylight for a while…hit in the forehead with a Beam. When he does roll out, have him do 100 pushups.
Scribe Yep, this old coastal town is a charmer. That’s why I stayed. Let me know if you get back this way. As far as my “mama”…just regular folk from NC. Not a drop of Mayflower blood. Just good NC vinegar.
Grinch “SG, you said something earlier I found clever and amusing, but I’m too drunk to remember what it was. Just accept this generic tip of the hat.” That may be the nicest thing I heard all night. And kudos back at ya for, uh…whatever it was that you said. Oh, just got an email…my pal Cheney asked me to invite you on a quail hunt. He said to bring ear protection. Hey, did you finish those pushups?
joebrave Hey back…and co’mone back, ya hea’. I see you were midnight ramblin’ but I was gone from the joint way before closin’ time (aka pairing-off ceremony). Tell Southern to get his azz back in here too. Both you guy’s have been hard to track lately.
By Washington Irving
August 25, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
Almost 200 years later, Washington Irving is pleased his stories continue to live on in the MIB blog.
Have Gun, Will Sleep plays the role of Rip Van Winkle, seemingly sleeping for 20 years, er, hours a day.
The Headless Horseman is now known as the Headless Coach, having been beheaded in “some nameless battle” by Lew & Grinch, and having his moniker changed during the offseason from Head Coach to Coach.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
Robert 4:32: Funny stuff. Was the scene by chance staged in an old Holiday Inn on the outskirts of Atlanta?
By JC FROM UT
August 25, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Does anyone out there think Wickman would draw the interest of another team? Maybe Cleveland would want him back, but they would probably wait the 10 days in order not to give anything up for him.
By The lady Chablis
August 25, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
Now, Mr. Savannah, you have to stop all this talk, darlin’. Talk promotes talk and you and me is our secret, y’hear? How are you ever going to get a Wurlitzer if they find out you swing upside down, from time to time?
Now, you go on for your run, but after a night of tacos and White Russians, you just might get the “runs”, so to speak. So you stay close to a “relief station”, honeypie.
Do we have our regular “appointment”? If so, don’t bring that fly. He talks “out-of-school” and he eats too much, too.
Yours, forever ChablisBy Paladin
August 25, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
With all the “flys”, “frogs” and other creatures on here, why not change “Coach’s” name to Head Roach? Has a ring-of-truth, don’t you think?
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Hello joe brave—yes TheJackAss remembers receiving your email, but wasn’t sure if it was really you that sent it because TheJackAss was being inundated with emails from one certain pukeA$$ on this blog with links to his gay porn site!!…so here is another email address if you(or any other decent person) wants to message TheJackAss again(vintagejackass@yahoo.com)…TheJackAss can’t remember yours…
By J-u-l-i-a
August 25, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
Tampa Brave scolded me for talking about the SHRIMP SAMMICH and said it was getting o-l-d. TB is probably o-l-d and doesn’t have all his teeth and would have to GUM a SHRIMP SAMMICH if somebody were to buy him one. A few bloggers have already mentioned the SHRIMP SAMMICH on this blog so I guess I can, too. And besides, it was that radio boy who first started talking SHRIMP SAMMICHES here. And, speaking of the ultimate SHRIMP SAMMICH - that’s what Bobby gave Wicky yesterday. This, too, shall pass. And here is a big shout out to all you sammich-eaters out there who have a POOCH and remain proud of that POOCH. There are many SHRIMP SAMMICHES sold in Tampa and plenty of POOCH to go around. Wicky will now take his POOCH* to the house. Did I mention POOCH?*
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this
J-U-L-I-A I love it when you talk dirty.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Oh, and J-u-l-i-a TampaBrave is addicted to foot-sammiches.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Have you guys realized what i just realized last night? And im pretty serious on this one.
This Braves team is the Braves team with the more chance to win it all since 98. And i will be more tenacious and say that is the team with more chances to win it all since 1996.
The reasons: 1.a. Chipper Jones is having such a monster year, number dont show it, but i can recall this guy seeing the ball so well, teams just cant shut down him. When they do is just because of a really perfect pitch or chipper taking a swing he didnt mean to, and that occurs on 1 out of 5 times. I PREDICT THAT IF BRAVES GO TO PLAYOFFS CHIPPER WILL EITHER SCORE OR DRIVE IN HALF OF THE BRAVES RUNS AND THE NUMBER WILL AVG 2.5 PER GAME.
1.b. Smoltz and Hudson ready to shut down any teman in the majors they want to, they seam to be in overdrive right now, their level of confidence is way to high and it has been translated into unbelievable performances, this 1-2 is second to none. In a series of 5 theyll pitch 3, and in a series of 7 theyll pitch 4, and thats all we need.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
TheJackAss would like to thank the ignorant, uneducated, juvenile troublemaking A$sClown that calls itself J-u-l-i-a for posting it’s stupid trash exactly one minute after TheJackAss posted his pithy comment…
Proves that all these pukeA$$ morons that insinuated that TheJackAss and this Julia are one in the same were dead wrong in their assumptions…
But you have to have the a$s before you can have the a$sumption!…you pukes…
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
Top of the Mornin,Grits,Eggs,Bacon,and Biscuits wit somma dat MeMa’s Gravy,Hello to all of Joebraves pals. SJA the email address is kdapps@gmail.com.
Now Back to Mornin reports,When last seen at Hartsfield,a suspicious looking Character of great dearth,was seen pilandering through some baggage that read Andruw Jones,when asked for His Id for the Ticket counter and subsequent trip to Wisconsin,the Enraged big fella was heard stating.That $%^%$#%%Jones did it again!!! As it turns out The bag in Question was an empty Krispy Kreme Bag….
Now more newsd on the two Hotel Bandits,it now seems that the Perps Named Lofton,and Anders have been involved in such activity for a while now.Co-starring in such miniscule roles in the film Eau de Vaseline……
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
Overlord Sounds good to me. Let’s do it!
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
Savannah Guy I go to bed early but what I do then is mine and the fat chick’s business.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
2.a. Mark teixeira is one of the most dominant cleanup hitters since the brake, and make no mistake, the reason is chipper is in front of him and jeff behind him, plus the guy finally has the chance to make his dreams come true and he will perform the best he can to live his dream, winning it all. He looks so relaxed at the plate. I have not seen this guy fooled a single at bat since he got here, he has KKKKK, but boy, HE ALWAYS HAS SUCH A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHERE THE BALL IS, that i dont see him falling into a slump, not a chance. This 3-4 punch is second to none.
1.b. Edgar Renteria will play the day his sentence on the DL ends, 100% sure. And that day braves will experience a similar boost than the one they got when tex got here. Edgar has all the experience in the world. Do you think there is a pitching staff that can take care of 2-3-4-5 (francour) constantly, i dont think so, the number is 0.
By Will
August 25, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
Overlord, That would be great if it happened. Although they need to make the playoffs first, and I cant remember the last time Tim Hudson pitched well in a playoff game.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
SJA I, for one, never thought you were “Julia”. You are definitely a meat ‘n’ potatoes type of guy. SHRIMP SAMMICHES are for poosies.
Say hello to Joe, for me.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
Reliever corp is good, and i mean good. They have not played up to their capabilities, but i can bet the muts rather have MAHAY, SORIANO, DOTEL, MOYLAN, ACOSTA AND VILLARREAL than what they have right now, even if they have wagner, you first have to get to him, and soriano if he continues doing as in the last 5 games, is as good as wagner.
Best 8th hitter in the game, plain and simple, patient enough as he knows he wont see any strikes as the pitcher comes after him, power, contact, speed, knowledge of the game.
By JEB
August 25, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
Braves record at end of season: 87 - 75 (or 85 - 77) Where will they be with that kind of record?? Hmmmmm….. Let’s see!
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
I have to tear myself away and go do something useful. I’ll see you “crazies”, later.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
Ill call it the X factor. Having matt diaz (or harris) and yunel on the bench is a luxury not seen in atlanta before. Woodward and Thorman are a problem but even as bad as bobby cox is, im sure he will find a proper way to solve it.
Last but not least, what would you say are the chances of a team that its only hitter that is an easy out is Andruw Jones??? Come postseason and even as much as i hate AJ, i would pick that team on any day against anyone.
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Steppin out for awhile see you guys later…
By Will
August 25, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Overlord, Are you drinking for breakfest. Good grief! “Reliever core is good and i mean good” Wow!! I bet the team leading the Braves by 6 games would rather have what they are already working with.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
seam = seem
menan = mean
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
Paladin hold down the fort whilst I’m out gotta go take care of the Baby bra for a minute…
By brent a.
August 25, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
Paladin,
FYI, you go to a 3 or 4 man rotation in the play-offs.
In case you didn’t know, you get a day off after games 2 and 4 in the first round.
You don’t get breaks like that during the regular season.
In case you missed it, I am opposed to the shorter rotation, accept for as a last gasp effort.
That’s why I noted how the Cy Young winner, Glavine struggled on short rest in a pennant race in ‘91.
It’s a last resort, but one that you may resort to, to get into the post-season.
It’s not rocket science.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
way to high = way too high
There must be some other misspells guys, didnt check before posting, but you get the idea.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
Paladin—TheJackAss thought you had been fed to the lions…but even lions couldn’t stomach you…and that’s a compliment, if you understand TheJackAss’ way of thinking!…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
Since the brake = since the break
By **JULIA**
August 25, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
Jackass, honey, we were probably posting at the very same time. No one really believes you are J-u-l-i-a. I am a recovering SHRIMPSAMMICHOLIC and you, sir, are merely a Jackass. We both seem to have a thing for RadioBoy though. Methinks the only way we could be the SAME POSTER is if you did a little c-u-t and p-a-s-t-e and hit the enter K-E-Y rather quickly. Let me clear this up for everybody: Julia is not Jackass and Jackass is probably not Julia. Julia is fighting the POOCH and Jackass claims to be fit. Julia agrees that most Jackass posts are pretty pithy.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
will out of the guys i mentioned as reliever, please mention a guy that you think is not capable of pitching very well, the worst one is villarreal, and i really like the guy, he has done as asked and he does ok to me, when he comes to pitch, i always say, ok, we ha ve a chance. Maybe wickman was a cancer, we dont know. What is clear is that we have quality men there, they just need to find a way to put this core in order but they are good pitcher, with the exception of wickman and yates…….and even yates got out of a jam the other day. Ill come back before august ends and tell you……see……”i told you Will, they are good”.
By Will
August 25, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Overlord, Of course all the relievers are capable of pitching well, but i wanna see it. They are totally overworked, which is the starters fault, and i do not blame them for that. Yates got lucky as hell the other night by the way. My main issue is that 3/5 of the starting rotation is going to continue to put the bullpen on the ropes, its gonna be hard for them to do anything. One other thing with all the potentials for the playoffs you mention. Many of them are very good points, but it leaves out the fact that basically everyone in an ATL uniform inexplicably puts his bat up as his a* as soon as the calendar turns to october.
By Carroll Rogers
August 25, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
robert, so frantic to be anti-establishment we forget to spell my name right?? gee thanks, robbert.
what can i tell you, i’m not big on the shift key when i don’t have to be.
Serbok, DOB is not writing this blog. and you guys are in pretty good shape on this blog, you’re getting about as big a heads up on all braves news as anyone i know. but there are some things that go on in the clubhouse we can’t write about if we’re going to continue to cover the team. and sometimes the time becomes right to say something. having a closer designated in the middle of a pennant race would be that time.
By Richard
August 25, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
Did DOB get fired?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
Important points:
Division is out of reach, the only way we can get the muts is a 6-0 record in august, that aint gonna happen.
Last night we played a hot team, we beat a hot team, and most importantly, we did not let pujols beat us.
I bet SD wont get hot, the best theyll do is .520-.540 ball, and i think we will play a little better than that now that wickman is gone and that the front office showed some balls, you could tell the difference last night, even at the end of the game when mahay was not allowed more than one mistake (walk).
By GermanBravesFan
August 25, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
I guess there’s only one true Jackass (Donk) on this blog and it’s Robert. Sorry, SJA…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
Will that was another story on the october issue. It was an automatic because the season was an automatic. Now it is costing them some work, i think if they get to the playoffs, you wil notice the difference.
And yeah, the muts relievers are doing better, but only because they starters 1-5 are doing better, not because muts relievers are better. You will se some difference when roster is expanded.
By Will
August 25, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Overlord, At this point i dont see how we can base anything on any games Smoltz and Hudson pitched. I think they have pretty much established they are gonna win those games. No reason to get overly excited when Smoltz goes out and pitches great.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
Lets get ready to rumble!!!!!!!!!!
Goooo Braves!!!!!!!!!
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
TheJackAss is glad to see that Julia knows Julia’s place…Julia is dead wrong about one thing though…only one of us has “a thing for RADIOBOY“…and it ain’t TheJackAss!…if you’re going to dance with lightning…you best wear your rubber shoes…
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
One would have to wonder why JS would bring up Devine and Ascanio at the same time. Yes the bullpen is overworked, but I think there was a greater need to keep Prado on the bench because after him (save Willie or Diaz) there is not a better pinch hit option.
I believe that JS and the rest of the Braves upper management think Joey is read and able to pitch in the bigs. However, Bobby hasn’t shown much confidence in him lately. So perhaps JS also brought up Ascanio just in case Bobby still shows he is not going to use Joey unless he has too.
It is also curious why with a 5 run lead you don’t throw one of the two fresh arms to give the other arms a break. If they do get into trouble you still have Moylan to bail them out. But I suppose Bobby didn’t want to take a chance losing this game.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
The most important thing here is that our 3 most important veterans are showing they want it….. and they will find a way to get it.
Gooooo Chipper
Goooo Smoltz
Goooooooo Tim
Gooooo Braves!!!!!!!
And if you cant recall hudson pitching well in the playoffs…. he will give you your first taste to it.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Damn!…Now I gotta get a new name…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Will i do get excited because i think cormier is doing good and buddy has the ability to win, he lost it, he can get it back.
Lance has given us the chance to win last 2 starts.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
lady Chablis Now, now…you know what I’ve told you about sittin’ on that barstool listening to other peoples conversations. There you go again, stirrin’ that ol’ “P” pot, right P-girl? You might have a gun but you will unravel. You old cheap-drink floozie.
You ain’t no lady but you are a beach in this old coastal town. Fly talkin’ outa’ skool? Wurlitzer? Wha’chyou talkin’ shady? That’s what Mr. Fly does. No boundaries…no expectations, nobody to please but hizzown self and me…just off the wall stuff you just can’t hear anywhere else, not even from your old tattered bar stool. Fly’s does not report for glory… he’s in it for the story.
Mr. Fly eats too much? Well, dear, now you iz talkin’ trash, which he leaves to MetFly. For your info, he’s sworn off cheeseburgers since that bad-influence runnin’ buddy left town. So mind your mouth shady dancer, he’s not a bad fly…he’s just drawn that way.
Besides, you ain’t Mr. Fly’s type. He likes a nice glass of Chanti. So get back to swingin’ on that brass pole…there are paying Mutts fans lined up waitin’ for your show. You ain’t right. You jes’ ain’t right at all.
By Will
August 25, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Overlord, I just wanna see with my own eyes somebody else win a game. I agree with you on Cormier, although i think we have seen the peak of Buddy C. He won some games they needed, but most all were against bad teams (except for the Mets). We have been riding this rollercoaster for weeks. Right now we are at the peak with Smoltz and Huddy, but then Sunday-Tues you have no idea what is gonna happen out there. Chipper tied the damn game twice in three innings thu, i know he wants, i know smoltz and Huddy want it. But yet its still the same story every week.
Texas Brave, Prado is not very good, they might as well stock the bullpen with an extra arm.
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
I hear the criticism, the complaints, the curses, the vitriol.
Well… I will take it all: tongs, molten lead, prongs, garrotes, all that burns, all that tears, I want to truly suffer. Better the whip than this suffering in the head, this ghost of suffering which grazes and caresses and never hurts enough.
By Amy Winehouse Ode to Bob Wickman
August 25, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
They tried to make him pitch the 12th, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him save close games, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make trustworthy, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him pitch in non-save situations, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him mix in a strikeout pitch, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him preserve Huddy’s Cy, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him pitch good on the road, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him change his ‘tude, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him friendly, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him part of the team, he said No! No! No!
They tried to be his friend, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him not jealous of Rivera, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make stop being a loner, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him less of a social recluse, he said No! No! No!
They tried to teach him social graces, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him lose weight, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him mix in a salad, he said No! No! No!
They tried to fit him in a cab with Paronto, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him talk to reporters, he said No! No! No!
They tried to make him say hello to DOB & Carrol, he said No! No! No!
Ever tired of him saying No! No! No!, Bobby said you must Go! Go! Go!
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
And that, Brentass, is extremely fortunate, for you.
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Robert my primary antagonist…
we are both Robert, you and I.
The self requires the other to define itself.
Your consciousness pursues the death of the other: me.
But my thought is me: that’s why I exist - because I think … and I can’t prevent myself from thinking.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
OK so we are all in agree that our biggest problem is not the padres nor the phillies since they wont get hot and play .600 ball right?
So our biggest problem is how are we going to play .600 ball.
It aint that hard if you go by the numbers.
You need to get a W out of the 3-5 spots everytime around, that is if tim and john keep up the magic.
Is that imposible? hell no.
An what if cormier and lance win in the same week? That would be something.
Dont lose hope.
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
Hey,Julia wanna try my trailer hitch????
By chrisklob
August 25, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Greetings denizens! Been out of town on business the past few days and missed the last three Cincinnati games. Seems like I didn’t miss much. And before anyone asks, no I wasn’t “out of town on business” like our favorite Drooler sometimes claims to be!
Addition by subtraction. Interesting, and I think gutsy move by JS to release Wicky. Not performing great but not performing horribly either. But a club house cancer simply can not be tolerated. Braves clubhouse has way too many young, impressionable minds in it to allow such negative influence. Will this be the spark that sets this team on fire?
Salty, congratulations are in order to you sir! I haven’t found the passage yet for which you earned your award but undoubtedly it was outstanding. Pretty good for an ‘ol Rock, huh?!
Robert, seriously dude, can you please find something or someone else to talk about? You remind me of an autistic child that has one simple thought and can only repeat it, ad nauseum.
(Sincerest apologies to any and all bloggers that have an autistic child.)
Robert, are you some kind of idiot-savant (without the “savant”), of course?
This team has been so frustrating this year. It’s like a high-performance car that refuses to run well. At various times this year they’ve shown great starting pitching, great bullpen work, and great offense. But it seems that on so many nights one of those three groups isn’t performing to par. When are they going to start playing like a team? When is this team going to start hitting “on all eight”?
This team has GOT to go on a tear and start putting together a winning streak. I really thought they’d do that at Cincinnati. And they’d better do it soon or they’ll be playing golf in October again.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this
MemphisChump Kiss my jackass.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this
MemphisUmp—Thought you were the guy with all those nads that always uses his real name when blogging…well it’s as glaringly obvious as the stink on a dirty monkey’s A$S just who the hell you really are—you’re that fat little uneducated, cowardly, attention craving, punkA$s radio boy from the “Big Queasy”…hey Mardi Gras really ain’t that far off…you worthless chunk of monkey$#!t!…
Exposed again…you even surprised TheJackAss with that ignorant-a*******ed post!!…
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
Brave fans - despair!
This is what your despair is: chewing over the time going by like a cow, looking down stubbornly at your feet like a dumb jackass, cutting your soul off from the future and locking it in the present.
If you do that, Brave fans, you won’t be a man anymore. Just a hard black stone by the side of the road.
By Will
August 25, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
Overlord, I do agree with you that the Wild Card is still there for the taking if the Braves can just put together some freaking winnning streaks. The .500 baseball has to stop right now or it is a moot point.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
Oh, and one other thing, Chump. Yes, I have “masticated” a lot of shrimp in my time. I love shrimp in all forms. Although, shrimp grits is not one of my favorites. I also like SHRIMP SAMMICHES when they are Po-Boys. That’s a real man’s food.
As for you, it is no telling who, uh I mean what, you eat.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
SouthernJackAss Hey partna’. New name? I like yours the way it is. Ok, here’s an alternative if you decide change your moniker: SouthernGent. Or,as esteemed Bob, J refers to you: Southern.
Nah…don’t change it. It has a nice ring of no BS authenticity… just like you good denizen. No beatin’ around bushes, eggshell-walkin’, p-footin’, mamby-pamby stuff or tippy-toe’in around for you. Yep, bull in china shop…that’s the SJA we know and respect.
Already, I can just tell it’s gonna be a good day for the Bravo’s faithful. Sumpin’ in the air…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
What if we pick up a game before weekend ends and sweep the muts next week…….. WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW that would be a nice start for september.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
no-balls STINKY is also gracing us with more priceless gems picked fresh from his lofty intellectual orchard…
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
Morning, all. I feel less than stellar for some reason. OK, first order of business: apologies.
Carroll, I did not write the Katie Temple posts but I did make a somewhat crude response or two (that had nothing to do with her personally; rather just my terrifically overcharged libido). I occasionally forget it’s your blog sometimes and not DOB’s and I may be being offensive (CL and FBG both are quite familiar with my behavioral habits and have agreed to take the good with the bad). No offense intended whatsoever to you or Katie, who I’m sure is a nice girl and a fine reporter. Now, keep in mind I’m not apologizing for being me, because I yam what I yam as Popeye would say and thus have no reason to. I’ll try to tone it down a bit more, though.
While I’m apologizing to women, my bad jbutler. I completely forgot you weren’t a man and wouldn’t have called you a butt-munch had I remembered. Your post questioning Mr. Cogburn sounded sarcastic to me at the time, so I thought you were just messing with me for spelling it wrong. Yes, it was a John Wayne/John Smotz referrence having to do with the movie “True Grit.”
All this apologizing is making me nauseous.
Everyone go ^%$# yourselves; it’s time for breakfast. :-) There, now I feel better.
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
As a child, your family gave you the impression that your existence was of intrinsic worth. But upon entering school, you discovered that you were an ugly little shrimp whereupon you retreated into a life of imagination…and baseball.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
TheSouthernJackAss—Often imitated, never duplicated!!!…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
Will it is as easy as some good luck for any of the back 3, some bad at bats by opposition, and even if 3-5 are bad, they can win a game.
SD is putting a rookie today against phillies, maybe they will make him cry.
By Colin
August 25, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
Overlord
I like your wishful thinking….BUT the only way that would happen is if Smoltz and Huddy were set to pitch games 1,2 and whoever goes third pitched amazing…i feel like we can sweep the Cards then 2/3 from the Marlins which would make us 6-4 on the road which isent bad but should be some where around 8-2….
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
The only constant is change… and the attendant stink.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this
no-balls STINKY is also gracing us with more priceless gems picked fresh from his lofty intellectual orchard…
SJA we use to call those dingle-berries. And they only grow in a dark and, for some, moist location.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
Its raining in St Louis as we write, but it will clear as afternoon progresses and clear at night, so we will have a game tonight. Sunny for tomorrow.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
Grinch What are you having for breakfast? Wheaties with huckleberries on top? Holy cow! :-)
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
Colin jojo is scheduled for sunday, that aint good news for a sweep but have to keep faith, could be one of those days where a bad pitcher has good luck, you never know.
By MemphisBump
August 25, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
From a MemphisJump happed a MemphisHump causing a MemphisDump then out popped a MemphisLump named MemphisUmp dumber than ForrestGump!
By Colin
August 25, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
Overlord
O shoot i did not know he was scheduled for Sunday…Well 2/3 is not to bad to hope for then…well then we have to sweep the Marlins…then hopefully 2/3 from Muts…2/3 from Phillies and then Sweep the Nats to have a good start to September and get some confidence back…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
Well, we have given the league enough time to put us 10ft under ground, they have not take advantage, lets make them regret it boys……….. Gooooooooo Braves!!!!! Positive thinking!!!!!!
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
I can’t say I feel relieved or satisfied; just the opposite, I am crushed.
Only my goal is reached: I know what I wanted to know; I have understood all that has happened to me.
The Nausea has not left me and I don’t believe it will leave me so soon; but I no longer have to bear it, it is no longer an illness or a passing fit: it is I.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
Im having cardinals for breakfast!!!!!! And im planning on having fish next week.
Lets goooooooooo chipper!!!!!!!!!
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
“Son, my friends call me Coach, too” … ‘twas a lot of folks what called him coach. One I knew and held in awe called him a gentleman, a giant among men; albeit a little one, and from what I know, he was that too … for some reason, he was, and will always be to me, the face of the “Tigers” … and why Death Valley is located in South Carolina.
There have been a lot of Mister Howards … including Frank’s brother Jesse … but only one best known as “Coach”.
Methinks we were lucky to have the likes of him to guide us boys back when we were trying to become one and twenty … I understand he knew and loved his baseball too.
Yes, I do have a different perspectives from most, … when folks mention Coach Dodd, I think of Indian River fishing and Badminton.
My greatest baseball memories are having lunch with Eddie Matthews, Gene Verble and Country Brown … and playing catch with Whitlow Wyatt.
Speaking of different perspectives, I frankly don’t understand the one that suggests Bobby’s behavior turned Wickman into a hero … it may have taken a couple of short paragraphs to set up the transition but I just can’t connect those dots.
Winning ain’t everything boys … but it’s more fun than losing … let’s do it!
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
Wow…I guess MemphisUmp doesn’t like SJA.
Paladin, I will respond to your question like the great Orson Welles did when asked what he breakfasted on. “I have the same thing every morning. One cup of strong black coffee and half a whale.” Really, though; I’m fixin’ to hit Waffle House. Y’all hold down the fort.
By Robert Atwan (The Atlantic, May '87)
August 25, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
In the second game of a double-header in Detroit in 1919, the Boston firstbase coach began pointing his finger at the mound and gesturing wildly as Detroit pitcher Frank Kafka started his delivery. The home-plate umpire went out to the mound to ask Kafka what the hell he thought he was doing. Kafka protested that he had not committed a balk. The umpire said that a balk was not the issue and ejected Kafka from the game. The following day, after a short inquiry conducted by the American League commissioner, Kafka was permanently suspended from organized baseball. The commissioner never disclosed the nature of Kafka’s violation.
At the hour of twilight on a soft summer day toward the end of June in the year of Our Lord 1929, towering, barrel-chested St. Louis slugger Tommy Wolfe marched to the plate with the score, incredibly, tied in the bottom of the ninth inning and two outs. With a furious swing that thundered with the sound of a million bats hitting a million baseballs, Wolfe drove the ball high into the all-engulfing American sky. It seemed to take an eternity both for the left fielder to retrieve the exhausted baseball and for Wolfe to pursue, despite his rapid, loping strides, the always terrifying journey around the illimitable diamond. Then, for a reason that no one has ever completely understood, Tommy Wolfe stopped dead at third. “Home! Go home!” screamed a million voices. But Wolfe knew better. The next day he retired from baseball.
Hit in the shoulder by a pitch during an exhibition game in Key West, Florida, in 1933, Cubs catcher Ernie Hemingway refused to take first base. The next pitch hit Hemingway in the nose. Hemingway stood his ground. The third and fourth pitches hit him in the shin and the ear respectively. He dug in deeper, though in noticeable pain. The fifth pitch felled him. The home-plate umpire allowed the seriously injured Hemingway to be carried to first base on a stretcher.
All-star Cincinnati shortstop Johnny P. Sartre in 1964 became the first major leaguer to refuse the Most Valuable Player Award. Sartre declined the prestigious award because of his long-standing opposition to the infield-fly rule. He denounced the rule, claiming that it severely limited human freedom and that it introduced into the game “a momentary paralysis in the midst of movement—all play suddenly assumes an automatic quality.” The lifetime .350 hitter had made news several years earlier when he referred to the Ground Rule Double as an “absurd bourgeois convention.”
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Paladin—they’re still called dingle-berries…TheJackAss was merely trying to keep with the blog’s predilection for prolixity…
By David O'Brien
August 25, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
Grinch, end of your 1:20 p.m. post just about made me fall out of my desk chair laughing….
Speaking of laughing, “Superbad” is even funnier than “Knocked Up,” which I thought was the funniest movie in a few years. I laughed so hard at “Superbad,” it literally hurt my sides….
Richard: No, not fired. Just taking my only full-week off of the season. Well, other than making some travel reservations for last couple road trips and attending a staff meeting Friday. Otherwise, off for two whole road series. Feels a bit strange being away from team this long. But I tell you, I’m recharged for the last month (can’t say the same for the Braves, but still wouldn’t surprise me if they made a little run. Not saying seven or eight in a row, but a 5-1 run, that type of thing, to tighten up the wild-card race)….
It’s a shame to see what Teixeira and Mahay have done since the trade, and to see the Braves’ record in spite of it. But even the pessimists gotta admit, in a playoff series, with Smoltz and Hudson handling three and possibly four of five starts in a potential five-gamer, and perhaps five starts in a seven-game series, this Braves team, with that lineup, can beat anybody.
Just a big question of whether they’ll get to play a playoff series, obviously. Gonna be an interesting September.
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
Robert words are meaningless labels we use to rationalize actions.
For example a seat may just as easily be the bloated belly of a dead donkey.
By Colin
August 25, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
DOB
YES SUPERBAD IS THE FUNNIEST MOVIE OF 2007 by far…I LAUGHED THE WHOLE TIME…
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this
• The Braves were 7-1 once, 7-0 without the fifths.
• 10-5 once, 10-2 without the fifths.
• 24-12 once, 22-8 without the fifths.
• 30-23 once, 28-16 without the fifths.
• 43-38 once, 41-26 without the fifths.
• 56-51 once, 53-33 without the fifths.
• 67-62 now, 63-39 without the fifths
• #1 starter is 20-7.
• #2 starter is 15-10.
• #3 starter is 13-12.
• #4 starters are 15-10. (Davies from April 1-June1, Buddy from June 2- present).
• #5 starters are 4-23. (Davies is included from June 2nd onward, and Buddy for his one start in May)
• 57-36 when Huddy, Smoltz, James, & Budster start. 10-26 when they don’t.
• 64-46 when Huddy, Smoltz, James, Budster, & Kyle start. 3-16 when they don’t.
• The top 4 were 15-6 in April, 13-11 in May, 13-9 in June, 12-7 in July, 10-7 in August.
• The fifths were 1-3 in April, 1-4 in May, 0-6 in June, 1-6 in July, 1-4 in August.
• How the heck can a team be 57-36 over 93 games but only 10-26 in the other 26 games?
• How the heck can a team be 64-46 over 110 games but only 3-16 in the other 19 games?
• How the heck can a team be 63-39 over 102 games but be 4-23 in the other 27 starts?
• How the heck can we not find one friggin’ fifth starter to give us a 5.50 ERA and allow this offense to win half of those starts?
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
Memphis Chump is spewing what he ate for Dinner last night!!! you better take that Dude back to His Ol’Lady she prolly Misses Him…. Before you grace us with your unpredicated inuendo bassturd ya better learn who to pick a bone with,or in your case a boner!!!lmao
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
MemphisUmp TheJackAss could care less what you are, or what you think…it is evident from your posts that you’re in awe of TheJackAss…wholly enamored…sorry but those are some shoes that you will never be able to fill…can’t fault you for trying though…as for Ron Roberts…who gives a good $#!t about that fat, little, cowardly puke?…
By hk
August 25, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
Grinch …
… I laughed and laughed at your contributions last night, particularly as the night wore on, so to speak … mentioned to you some months ago that you scared me, reminded me of me 40 years ago (make that 41, just turned 75 last week … that day my kids take my car keys away is probably not far off :))
… totally flabbergasted to see Wicky go … thought maybe I was crazy, so I just finished reading the blog (not the Wicky critique blog, but the dozen or so guys I know and trust in this regular blog) on the subject, and looks like I’m not alone … my take is as follows:
… the decision is totally wrong, looking on-the-field, so to speak … Wicky, though he has given me heart failure recently, is still far and away our best closer … he is smart, pitch selection excellent, and he has long long experience (282 saves over 16 years in the majors) … our next best is Soriano, who is not smart at all, very emotional, and has only 9 saves over a six year career … next possibility is Dotel, has 82 saves total, but only 25 the last 3 years in the majors, has been injured a good bit of that time, and is of course injured now … the 4th guy they’re talking about is Moylan, who of course has been terrific, but has one save in his career (two opportunities) … in short, we have gone from one savvy experienced closer to no closer at all …
… now off-the-field, that’s something else again … my take is that Wicky got mad, said some things, and Bobby will not take that, acted immediately, as he has done in the past in these situations … in Bobby’s mind, club house chemistry outweighed all other factors …
… I think Wicky’s anger was justified … Wicky is 38, and needs to conserve all the energy possible over a long season … Bobby has used him over and over again in non-save situations where he should have been rested … from what I gather, Wicky had warmed up 3 times by the 12th inning the other night, came in with the score tied 7-7, gave up that 2 run homer … somebody accused him of not trying in a non-save situation and he blew up (I can sympathize with old guys that blow up :)) …
… but I think the key is that Bobby and Leo were the perfect good cop / bad cop combination … I think Bobby greatly misses Leo’s judgement on handling relievers, as well as mentoring the whole staff … while Roger McDowell is a nice guy, this is his first year as a major league coach, and as such has yielded to Bobby’s in-game judgements most of the time … we are seeing a gap in Bobby’s management skills that was all those years masked by Leo’s presence …
… long and short, Bobby has messed up, he needs Leo back (and Leo needs Bobby, that bad cop needs his good cop too :)) …
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
Memphis Ump Ok, first, I doubt you are a first timer but I’ll give benefit of the doubt. Why the hell are you soiling this blog with such harsh crap? Are you just trying to stir up an old fight with SJA using another name and another style to cover yourself? Whatever dude. If you are a long time blogger here then you know that the only thing you’ll accomplish here is to take away the comraderie and repartee and add misery to what was a good day here.
Is that what you want for some reason? Some denizens spend time here because they enjoy it. They do have a meaningful, good life and the blog is a hobby, an outlet, a place to get together with other diverse Braves fans. Some probably consider this blog a surrogate main street…or a “Cheers” Bar where everyone knows your name (unlike yours).
Whatever their (our) reason for being here is no reason for you to be flinging insults at SJA or all of us. I suppose you just dropped in for a brief moment to spew spew your venom and now you’ll get back to your wonderful life, right? Could you be letting your own lack of life purpose spill out like trash onto the rest of us here on Braves Street?
You seem to just have a bone to pick with SJA. Fine. If you were a long timer you would know that he is a big, bad teddy bear that wouldn’t hurt anyone. He uses the kings english in a hilarious, intentional way that most of us here find very entertaining. Colorful yes…purposefully hurtful, no. Lewd, almost but he doesn’t get in the gutter. But you knew that right?
So if your purpose is to disrupt the blog, then have at it and know that you are marked for the scroll bar. If you want to settle an old score with SJA, then you have his email address just up a few posts. Take it outside and stop trashing this place. Everyone here would greatly appreciate it.
Oh, and thanks so much for letting us know what’s on your mind. What a pleasure that was. No go.
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
Oh,and One more thing,Memphis rump,You should spend a little more time in the basement and stay out of the Ladies room.I have no problem as most here know with taking you to task,girlieman.. You should stick with the kind of trash that communcates well with you,i.e. Ron,Robert the Donk basher,Coach,and that nasty little turd named Stinky!!!
Joebrave would like to extend his apologies to JJS.for giving him the undue grief that I heaped on Him in the past. JJS I would hope that you would accept Joebrave’s apology?
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
Damn MemphisUmp…you seem to know an awful lot about Ron Roberts…are you an admirer of his…or a gay lover?…you sonofabitch!…
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Will if you had to pinch hit someone in a key situation and you only had Prado, Woodward, Thorman and Corky left on the bench, who would you use? For my money it would be Prado. If Bobby would just show a little confidence in Joey we would not need an extra pitcher or why didn’t they just bring up Ascanio? I’m sorry but we don’t have much of a bench now since Prado is gone. I am not saying that Prado is great or anything, but he sure beats the he!! out of the other three.
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
DOB when will you be back for good? The blog misses you man (no offense Carroll).
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this
That’s right MemphisUmp…go take a long stroll on a short pole…before TheJackAss slams one of these size 17EEE’s right into your piehole…you A$sClown!…
…and here’s a little test for you Ump…go ahead and email TheJackAss at that above email address that he posted earlier…TheJackAss would like to compare your IP address with others that TheJackAss has received in the past…see if they match!…
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
TexasBrave I agree with you about Prado. If I needed a hit, he would be my man as well. BUT I also think that Scott Thorman is going to have a big pinch hit homer or two over the last five weeks and in the postseason. I really do think that for some reason. He seems destined to do it to me. No factual support for that hunch but… Plus, when Edgar gets back, that will free Yuni or KJ to come off the bench in a big spot
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Will and to make things worst, wainwright is the pitcher that will beat us on sunday….. twice the pain.
By MemphisUmp
August 25, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
GRINCH- no, I dont hate SJA. Lifes too short to hate people. I hate his meaningless putdowns and insults. I mean what honor is there in taking digs at people when they arent even around to respond or havent taken digs ath them to start with? Fire away at me all ya want, because Im here and Im stating my disdain for the knuckledragging bravado, no matter who it came from. SAVANNAH GUY - Ive read your stuff over the last few weeks, too, and you’re not much of one to try and bring honor to your login name, now, either. It won’t float. I have no score to settle with anybody, SJA, Julia, (stil say its the same person) or you, either. Im just tired of the back and forth digs. That stupid shrimp “sammich” crap has gone on forever now, and I dont recall SJA’s nemesis saying one harsh word towards him, and if my memory’s correct, “radio boy” hasn’t ever had a conversation or confrontation with “Julia.” So the “Julia” stuff is an extension of SJA’s insults to his enemy. If you cant see that, then you’re blind. What sucks is that you’re right, Savannah, SJA has made some good commentary over time, and some damn funny and pithy remarks to lighten the mood. So why then does he need to ruin what people would think of him with the false manhood-enhancing gutter-filth? It’s a damn baseball blog, and most of those who read and post here are Braves fans, so why can’t the two people Im referring to get along more often than not? Anybody who wants to blame RR more than SJA is ridiculous. They’re both to blame, but I don’t see RR continuing the venomous dialogue with continued digs at SJA. Quite the contrary, actually. I don’t know SJA or RR or Savannah, or uga-brave, or any of ya, for that matter, but I know good people when I read their words, and I know fake bull$h!tters when I read their thoughts, too, and as much as SJA can be enjoyable to converse with here, he just ruins it with his gutter talk. So RR stands up to it and he’s a bad guy for it? I disagree. So be it. Hammer away at me, then. I’ll be taking my girls to see the Lion King at the Orpheum. So in true coward style, I’ll be gone so SJA can take digs at me, too, like he does anybody else he dislikes when their not around to stand up for themselves. Go get ‘em Braves.
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
Today I tried this recipe:
Tuna Casserole
Ingredients: 1 large casserole dish
Instructions: Place the casserole dish in a cold oven. Place a chair facing the oven and sit in it forever. Think about how hungry you are. When night falls, do not turn on the light.
By MemphisUmp
August 25, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
SJA, gay innuendo, and physical threats, too. You’re as redundant as Robert the cox-basher. JOEBRAVE- learn how to spell communicate and I’ll be glad to do so with you. Wife and daughters are waiting on me. I’m out. Have at it.
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Braveheart I don’t know man, but I hope you are right. I get just about the same feeling about Thorman every time AJ go up to bat in a key situation. I hope Bobby keeps giving him at bats, just perhaps not in key situations.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Braveheart ill take my chances with Prado better, he makes more contact, faster, better chance of a Hit & Run even if we never do that. Better chance to avoid a DP. Better fielder. I think the braves would even a better team if chipper agreed on back up Tex if needed and getting rid of thorman.
For example, if tex needs to take a day or bobby wants to take him out in the 8th for a pinch runner. Chipper could go to 1st instead of thorman and then put prado or Escobar (when renteria is back) at 3B. I dont think Chipper would do bad at 1B, he has fielding like a gold glover at 3B.
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
Methinks those who don’t understand what makes Most Honorable Southern honorable just don’t understand honorable … he’s a special person, that one! As are we all … well almost all.
Me thinks you could trust him with your money, your sister and your back … ain’t many about whom I so think.
Of course, my perspectives are considered suspect by some … but they are what they are and I is what I is … pieces of work … goodness, ain’t it the truth!
Another favorite baseball memory … spending two or three afternoons sitting on a grassy hill, watching highschool soccer practice with Cal Ermer … I remember talking about an infielder named Harmon and an outfielder named Bob … but mostly we just watched the kids … he really loved watching the kids … probably wouldn’t remember those days or me from Adam, but I’ll never forget it!
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
Maddux first 10-20 pitcher, leads Padres in rout of Phillies Aug. 24, 2007 CBSSports.com wire reports
*PHILADELPHIA — Passing Cy Young didn’t faze Greg Maddux. Moving ahead of his older brother was a bit more exciting.
Maddux became the first pitcher to win 10 games in 20 consecutive seasons, tossing seven solid innings in the San Diego Padres’ 14-3 rout of the Philadelphia Phillies on Friday night. *
THAT GUY IS JUST ONE OF THE BEST 5 PITCHERS EVER. NOTHING ELSE TO SAY.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
Texasbrave i agree, cox cant give thorman another chance in key situation. Not one. Use better options 1st. And im not sure why send prado down if he is better than thorman in multiple ways. We have enough “going for the fence” hitter, what do we need one more that doesnt even makes any contact??????
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
MemphisUmp “Ive read your stuff over the last few weeks, too, and you’re not much of one to try and bring honor to your login name, now, either. It won’t float.” Well, guess you told me then. And I thought I repped Savannah just fine. Ump, thanks… that sure as hell is clear as mud. Settles it then I suppose. Glad you can go out and enjoy Lion King now and leave us no-life, dishonorable plebes to wallow in our grief after getting that off your chest. Right. Thanks for the input. Valuable stuff there. I’ll be sure to file it.
Just how narrow is that strike zone ump?
By jordan j
August 25, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
Bob, “Journalist” what are you smoking, dude?
By chrisklob
August 25, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
MemphisUmp, Whothehell do you think you are insulting Savannah Guy? What makes you think anyone, and I mean ANYONE, cares what you think? If you’ve been reading this blog for over a year then you would know what SG brings to it. He, and many, many others contribute more to this little “community” than you could ever dream of.
Why don’t you slither back into the miserable little hole you came from and shut up. Don’t come back until you can conjure up something worthwhile to say. Then, and only then, will your feedback be welcome on this blog. And maybe after you quit showing your azz on here you might be able to garner a fraction of the respect that Savannah Guy has earned from the rest of us.
P.S. Have fun at Lion King. Let us know if you need someone to explain it to you.
By Jonny B Good
August 25, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Carroll You know, before you were talking about .500 ball for the Braves and you were trying to come up with something else. Against teams that are playing .500 and below, they Braves are 27-25, if for some strange reason they lose the next 2 to the Cards, then the Braves will be .500 against teams that are .500 or lower. Oh and BTW, they are only 3 games above .500 against teams that are playing above .500
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
However, I feel that sometimes Most Honorable gets carried away and goes to far … imagine his suggesting that someone succinct like myself has a predilection for prolixity … cuss words like that just ain’t nice and it’s most unfair if not outright dishonorable.
I know he didn’t single me out but everybody knows he was picking on me … and after I said all those nice things about him too.
By Savannah Guy
August 25, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
Apologies to denizens trying to talk baseball this fine day only to have to leapfrog over or cringe at stupid stuff. There are times that, wisely or unwisely, we must speak our unpleasantries against the same. I’m better at letting stuff aimed at me roll off of my back than I am at watching someone else I like get lectured and scorned.
So, I’m done. Nuff said. Outa’ here.
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
Overlord since we can’t/won’t do anything with Thorman we have to keep giving him at bats. Because like Braveheart said there will come a time with the game/season on the line when he is going to be the “best” option at the time.
However, I did just think about this. Once September call ups are here, he might not get as many at bats. Some of the guys that have been tearing it up at AAA will get their chance.
Another thought, and I need help answering this question, if any of those September call ups are on the 40 man roster and we make the playoffs can we keep one or more of the kids and leave off say Thorman and even Woodward but not have to place them on waivers or DFA?
By i zimbra
August 25, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
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By Shaun
August 25, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
hk,
I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m an idiot for anything else I say, but I hope people listen to me a little when I say the save is the most bogus stat in sports.
It tells us nothing but a lot of teams build their whole bullpen around a bogus stat.
What does the save really tell us? Most often it just tells us a pitcher could hold a lead of three runs or less for one inning. How many major league pitchers could hold a lead of three runs or less 20-30 times a season, if given the opportunity. Probably a lot. Even a sub-par major league pitcher could rack up 20-30 saves in a season relatively easily.
By Underlord
August 25, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
According to southerncurrents.com, Lester Maddox “left the Office of Governor with a favorable poll rating of above 84% and won the Office of Lieutenant Governor in a landslide vote of over 73%, which remains the greatest percentage of votes for any governor or lieutenant governor against a Republican opponent in a Georgia General Election”.
And he appointed more African Americans to state government positions than any other governor before him.
THAT GUY IS JUST ONE OF THE BEST 5 GOVERNERS EVER. NOTHING ELSE TO SAY. DICK CAVETT NOTWITHSTANDING.
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this
Bob, Journalist what are you smoking, dude? well, since prices went through the roof, what I’m smoking is “less” … which is still probably more than anyone else on the Blog … and what I’m smoking is also “cheap” quality tobacco, sorta like the cheap seats at the games that cost a fortune.
Just don’t talk bad about my boys or my friends … when mama would get upset with my sister and tell me of all her faults … she’s get real mad, and I mean real mad, when I agreed with her … I guess it’s an inherited thing that some folks can’t understand!
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
TheJackAss never ceases to be amazed with the diaphanous stupidity of some of these loudmouthed trolls…TheJackAss can’t believe that MemphisUmp was dumb enough to email him…while using a name, and an email address that was created just today…hnkbridgman@yahoo.com…
How much dumber can someone be?…and I have a match on an IP address as well…
Oh well…he knows where he stands with TheJackAss…
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
Texas Brave & Overlord I’m not quite sure why I feel that way about Thorman. Maybe it’s just a wish, hope, prayer, belief, feeling, thought, blah, blah, blah more than anything. It’s obviously not something one can say with certainty because there ain’t any track record there of him doing something like that.
Prado reminds me of Mark Derosa for some reason. AND Derosa had some big hits for us, even in the playoffs. So, I like Prado.
I do think they might have to find a way to get Thorman more at bats if they expect him to possibly get some at bats in big pressure spots later on.
One big problem is that Thorman is out of options and can not be sent down although there is more utility with Prado.
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
TexasBraves,
I’m not sure, but I think a team can select any 25 players on thier 40-man before August 31 for the post-season and can leave off any player without having to place them on waivers.
The reason I think this is the case is because you’ll often see veteran, past-their-prime players not on active rosters—Ellis Burks, Dave Winfield.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
I just came back from my “power” nap and saw where I didn’t even get “honorable” mention in “Chumps” latest. So, I’ll stay out of it, for now, since he’s got all he can handle with some of the blog’s best blisterers on his—“trail”.
I will say this though. RR, if you don’t want to be “recognized” then don’t write in mega-graphs. You are not the only one that does it, but that, with the content, is a dead giveaway.
OK, I’m off to run some errands so I will leave it with you knuckle-draggin’ predilectors for prolixity. :-)
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
That’s right Ron Roberts…I mean MemphisUmp…gay innuendo…if you aren’t gay…then why are you so enamored with RR?…it ain’t natural…and you say that RR hasn’t posted some truly nasty and profane trash in the past?…you should know that’s not the truth if you’ve been reading the blog for as long as you say you have…so get lost moron…you’re boring us…
Ron Roberts—what a pathetic ruse you tried to pull over on everyone…”MemphisUmp”…
Guess what Ronnie—TheSouthernJackAss will still be TheSouthernJackAss long after your ignorant a$s is gone!…
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
This is going to be pretty negative and kind of Robert like and kind of hypocritical on my part BUT…….. I think Cox is a great manager but these are questionable personnel decisions made by Bobby Cox this year. Questionable because they don’t seem to be made based upon performance.
Cutting Wickman for personality conflicts combined with subpar performance. Good enough to be the closer one night, not good enough for the team the next? Very confusing. Clubhouse cancers can’t be tolerated BUT how can your cancerous ways be tolerable enough for you to be the closer one night, off the team the next? How can your performance make you the closer one night, but out of the majors the next? This honestly begs the question: Is this an implicit admission by Bobby that he was mistakenly and stubbornly sticking with Wickman as the closer even though he thought he was not good enough? So, when exactly did he start thinking Wickman was not good enough? What took him so long to act on that feeling? Of course, it seems that performance had little to do with it. A clash of egos had everything to do with it.
Yanking Davies off the mound with none out in the first, the demotion of Kyle Davies, and the trade of Davies with no one better than Davies to take his place. They were 1-6 in his last 7 starts so it was understandable. But they were also 7-10 in his starts whereas they are 3-16 in the starts of anyone else they have tried. Davies has pitched better since being traded. Giving up on the kid due to poor performance made some sense but after reading Carroll’s article about Davies after he left, it seems he was not fitting in or something.
Keeping Orr and Woodward on the MLB roster This is bizarre. They bring absolutely nothing to the table. Prado is a better player than either.
Why is Willie only used as a leftfielder and not as a super utility man?
Demotion of Pena after he got hurt and never bringing him back even after Salty was traded. Very confusing.
Letting Salty rot on the bench the last 2 weeks he was here Might have been protecting him to protect his trade value but who the heck knows when you consider Cox’ other decisions. Was playing Franco really worth it? Salty is not good enough to play over Franco?
Yanking KJ out of the leadoff spot and platooning KJ seemingly because he failed to drop a bunt. The offense has actually been better since this happened and KJ has been more consistent with more rest because of the platoon. BUT was that really the intent or just happenstance?
Keeping Andruw at cleanup for seemingly forever to the detriment of the team. Loyalty and his guys seemed to reign supreme over what was best for the team. Of course, if Andruw did not have a big smile, when would he have been yanked out of cleanup, the lineup, or the team altogether?
Insisting on pitching Soriano in the 8th and in big spots when the man needed a rest or a less intense role until he figured things out. What was that intellectually dishonest wiseass thing he said to DOB about insisting on pitching Soriano in big spots?
Seemingly making up a Chuck James injury to DL him. From the quotes, Chuck does not seem to think he is so hurt that he can’t pitch. It seems like he might be hurt, not necessarily injured, but he may not be showing the moxy or personality Cox likes, so Cox yanks him out of the rotation although the Braves are 13-12 in his starts and replaces him with JoJo even though the Braves are 0-6 in JoJo’s starts and even though the Braves have given up 6 or more runs in all of JoJo’s starts.
Not giving Oscar a shot at being the fifth starter Could Oscar be any worse than all of the Braves fifth starters? Hell no. All you would need out of him is 5 innings per start and a 5.00 ERA and the Braves would most likely win about half of his starts as a fifth starter. What the heck is the point of having a decent guy like Oscar pitch mop up duty? Make a scrub pitch mop up because the game is usually over by then.
Getting angry and getting rid of McBride Granted McBride was walking too many. But that was not really the problem. It was something personal. McBride got traded because egos were rubbed the wrong way and we ended up with Ledismal.
Calling up Devine repeatedly but never pitching him. What’s the point of bringing him up then? He’s either good enough and ready to be up or he is not.
Not finding more at bats for Diaz. Does he realize he has a batting champ on the bench?
Too many at bats for Langerhans Good enough to platoon with Diaz, good enough to waste tons of at bats in April but then all of a sudden one day, not good enough, get rid of the bum. Was he good enough to be playing or not? AND if he was not good enough one day at the end of April what took you so long to realize that when you have been watching him hit for years? Evidently, it did not take the Nats or A’s too long to figure out he was not good enough.
Not pursuing David Wells because he “would not fit in in the clubhouse.” At what point do we say enough with everyone getting along in the clubhouse and say let’s rock the boat and go for broke here. Is the goal clubhouse harmony or World Series championships? The clubhouse harmony thing worked well for years in the regular season but not so much in the postseason. How about a little bit of change in philosophy on clubhouse chemistry? When your fifth starters are 4-23 and when you are 10-26 when Smoltz, Hudson, Chuck, and Buddy are not pitching, and David Wells is available even if is not what he once was, you grab that sucker in a heartbeat.
I don’t believe in getting too much into damned if he does, damned if he does not speculation such as when to pull a pitcher, when to keep a pitcher in. But these have been kind of disturbing things for me done by Bobby – most disturbing because they don’t seem to have anything to do with performance – they seem to have more to do with personality conflicts. As bad as they were playing, he does not yank them. BUT if they dare rub him or the clubhouse the wrong way, they are gone no matter what. That is not a sound way to do things. If it was about performance, Woodward, Orr, Andruw would have met similar fates as the rest.
By Chop Chop
August 25, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
Shaun,
I agree with you about the save stat. There is a problem, though. The last team that really seemed to discount the importance of who pitches in the ninth inning (where most saves are “earned”) was the 2003 Boston Red Sox. Bill James, Theo Epstein and the other sabermetrician types decided to test the theory of bullpen-by-committee at the back end of games. In theory, it really shouldn’t matter who pitches that one inning as long as he’s a decent pitcher. However, the experiment ended up being a big mess for the Red Sox, so much so that they had to make several trades at the deadline to try to rectify the mistake.
As I commented at the top of this post, you’re right about the stat itself not really being that significant, but the guy who does pitch in the ninth inning is significant. There is a certain type of mentality involved. Some guys can’t pitch in the ninth inning due to those human variables (anxiety, fear, whatever). For example, as much as I’d like to take Peter Moylan’s overall stats and plop them into the closer’s role, that doesn’t mean he’ll match those stats and be any good at closing out games. It almost seems that, unless your relievers are brainwashed and indoctrinated with the belief that the ninth inning is no different than any other, the odds are great that you won’t have many pitchers on your team that can be successful at closing.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 25, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
journalist returns to the blog to find a nice apology from joebrave. apology is accepted, joebrave. not sure why joebrave came after this journalist with vowels and verbs and venom, with vigor and vitality and vehemence, with vulgarity and viciousness, but jimmy smith has no voracity for vengeance and joebrave’s apology is appreciated and joebrave is forgiven by this journalist.
now, bloggers attacking other bloggers … why can’t bloggers all just get along? because of busybody bloggers who try to police the blog for others. only miss manners can do this and only because journalist bob knew miss manners’ daddy.
and journalist is also going to the food lion today. may see another blogger there. “what?” “what baby seal?” “not the food lion?” oh, never mind.
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
Thanks Shaun,
So the question is will JS and Bobby keep on one or more of the kids if they show more fortitude in the final month than Thorman or Woodward? In my book (no it is not the same as Bobby’s) you keep who is hot and has proven to come through in the clutch. Plus what a great experience for some of these new guys who will probably be with the team for next years drive for a championship.
By Chop Chop
August 25, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Braveheart,
If I had a Wurlitzer to give you, you’d get it for your 3:42 post. You’re not being negative. You’re being honest. There are plenty of situations that Bobby should have to answer for this year and it’s just not happening. After all, it sure does seem like there’s an awful lot going on in that clubhouse this season that we just don’t know anything about. I hope we’ll get some more insight into this stuff in the coming weeks.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
I cant recall the braves “releasing” so many players they once had faith on to begin the season. This could be called the “Phantom Braves”.
Davies.
Wickman.
Orr.
Salty.
Peña.
Paronto.
Redman.
Thats way too much (AND I COULD BE MISSING SOMEONE). That speaks for itself.
What i dont get is how Woodward has survived this STORM !!!!!
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Chop Chop,
Yes, but the Red Sox’s bullpen ERA was the third-worst in baseball in 2003, the year they tried the “bullpen-by-committee” approach. So you could make a very valid argument that it didn’t work because they didn’t have many good pitchers to being with.
I understand what you’re saying about roles. Maybe some players are more comfortable in specific roles, which can’t be quantified.
But I reject a pitcher like Moylan can’t or is less likely to succeed in the closer’s role than another pitcher for one reason or another. The reason is because often games are on the line in the sixth, seventh or eighth innings. And often times there is just as much or more pressure on pitchers in those innings as their are in a ninth-inning save situation.
I would guess non-closers inherit significantly more baserunners than closers. And what could be more stressful than not wanting to cost not only your team runs but your teammate runs on his ERA?
I do think roles may matter for some guys a little but I think the necessity of roles is vastly overstated. And I’m not talking a pitcher being a starter as opposed to a reliever so much; I’m talking about specific roles within the bullpen.
I think for the most part if you can pitch, you can pitch.
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Texas double patty melt plate scattered, smothered and covered with a large OJ. Now THAT and a subsequent power nap will cure a hangover. Before the nap takes place, however, I will give props to both hk and Braveheart for excellent observations about Bobby. Like I said last night, I really like the guy and always have. I’d like nothing better than to hear a rational explanation or two for even some of these alarmingly senseless-looking decisions that have always been there occasionally but seem to have increased by several thousand percent this year. It’s easy for me to bash people I don’t like; it hurts to watch this happen to Bobby.
Hk, if I truly remind you of you 41 years ago, you must have really been an @$$-hole. :-) Really, though; I’d be utterly amazed and blessed if for some reason my terribly abused body and mind could make it another 41 years. And more importantly, if it does I hope to retain even half your mental acuity and reasonable disposition. And hopefully I’ll have the energy to beat the snot out of anyone who tries to take my keys.
G’night, all.
By Lew
August 25, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
Esteemed Journalist-I agree that we should attempt to get along. SJA will not give you grief if you don’t give him grief. He can even be nice upon occasion, as witnessed by his post regarding me the other day. It was appreciated. Even Stinky can be come to terms with. He and I declared truce several monthas ago and he has kept it-so have I. Even SJA mentioned Stinky’s intelligence. He also, has been tempted towards niceties, in my experience. Joe Brave is a fine individual. He may use colorful language, like our friend The Grinch, but if you give him the time of day without trying to p!$$ on his leg, he will always have your back. Coach, however is a supreme douchebag and deserves every bit of grief we can possibly push down his pompous, Neanderthalithic throat. Now baseball-I think perhaps Wicky was a scape goat. Now scapegoats are not usually desireable, but if it leads to a winning streak, then I will feel alright about it. Wicky looked very tired and perhaps time with his family and retirement is best for him. I think you may just see him retire. I doubt he would have returned, anyway. It also would not surprise me if he were sick. He just hasn’t looked healthy -and No, I don’t mean his weight-he’s always been a big guy and he was fine last year, though in no worse shape than now.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
El Duque is on the mound and tossed a scoreless 1st…… no surprise on that one.
There is no chance on picking up a game on muts today.
Better concentrate on SD.
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
Gonna sit here and gnash my teth through a Mets/Dodgers game. Anybody game?
Wow. Looks like I missed some early fireworks, eh?
SJA, why do you insist on continuing to try and nag me, dude? It doesn’t work; it’s actually comical. Looks like somebody came in today with a hint of clarity and said it like it was.
Now, just to point out, I scrolled up and saw what your new email address was. Folks going to profiles.yahoo.com/vintagejackass will see that this email address created W A Y back on August 16 in the distant year 2007. Secondly, the email address you gave before was created the day you published it, then. So if the Ump sent you an email from an address he’d just created, I’m guessing it’s because he chose not to soil his other address(es) with your bile. Just guessing.
Now, if you wish to forward anybody his IP and mine, then let’s pick a neutral third party and let them compare them so that they can tell us all if the IP addresses do indeed match. I know the answer, and have no concerns in letting somebody else verify it.
That’ll be hard to do, though, because the former email address you’d made up (thesouthern.jackass@yahoo.com) no longer exists, which means you have no remaining record of the email I’d sent you, and hence, no IP address to compare, either. Folks wishing to see that, can go to http://profiles.yahoo.com/thesouthern.jackass to see that for themselves.
So again, your dialogue is empty, at best. And point to be made: I’ve not said a thing to you, about you, or even made a reference to you or your bloviating; you’re the one with the hang up - and it’s on me. So if there’s a gay crush, here, it would seem the ruby red slipper’s on your foot, Dorothy.
I don’t know the Ump, never even been to Memphis (everybody tells me that the town’s a dump outside of the touristy areas) and care not to stand up for him or begrudge him his right to say his peace.
But rest assured, SJA, Mardi Gras gets closer and closer every day, and like the “time and place” you barked at me to provide you weeks ago, those days, too, will come and go and there’l be nobody calling himself the Southern Jackass making his presence known in New Orleans.
I’ve P U R P O S E L Y avoided speaking to you or about you for a long while now, because I stood my ground w/you, and you wilted in the heat. You no-showed then you deferred to February, 2008. So I have nothing more to say to you until that time. If you wish to continue, with your childish insults, and your many login names and nicknames like radio boy, have at it.
I have better things to do and better people to communicate with than the likes of you.
Others… my apologies.
By jordan j
August 25, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
Nice post Braveheart.
More baseball, less jimmy smith type crap!
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
Overlord,
To be fair, Salty and Davies were used to get key players (or who were thought to be key players) for the stretch drive.
Also, some of those guys weren’t really expected to be key players. Teams move around utility players and relief pitchers and young players (because they have options) often during a given season, even good or great teams.
With the exception of possibly Wickman and to a lesser extent Davies, I’d say those moves aren’t indicative of why the Braves are out of a playoff spot at this point.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
I didnt meant “releasing” i meant they are not on the map anymore…….
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
I didnt mean “releasing” i meant they are not on the map anymore…….
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
Paladin… when have I ever written long posts without seperating my paragraphs, dude? C’mon… we’ve been here a long time, and I know to double-pump the enter key to break up my posts, quite well, thankya.
Sorry, but just because somebody else takes umbrage to a same particular person’s arrogance here, that doesn’t mean it’s the same person. You’ve been here awhile and ya know full well I’m not alone in that group.
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
Braveheart my detractor - all I can say is:
all human actions are equivalent and all are on principle doomed to failure.
By Chop Chop
August 25, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
Shaun,
I remember watching the Sox’ bullpen that season and it certainly wasn’t very good. However, the Sox did have some decent arms in the pen that year. Kim, Timlin, Embree, Todd Jones, Scott Williamson…all of those guys had been good relievers in the bigs prior to that season, so Theo certainly thought they had the pitchers to make his theory work.
Believe me, I see what you’re saying about the pressure being high in earlier innings in close games, but there just seems to be a mental block for a good number of pitchers that just cannot be predicted by stats. After all, as you’ve guessed (probably an accurate one), most closers don’t inherit as many runners when they come into games. The ninth inning is usually a clean slate for them. Any trouble they encounter is generally of their own making. It seems contrary for a pitcher to handle pitching with runners on base better than starting an inning off, but maybe it’s that pressure of having to be good from the beginning that causes some pitchers to succeed and others to fail. Maybe those pitchers who fail when presented with inherited runners on base would actually be better suited to closing games? That would be an interesting case to test.
With that, I slowly back away from the world of analysis.
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
Braveheart some good thoughts about performance vs. personalities. Some of which I didn’t know anything about previously.
I think it also has a lot to do with Bobby having confidence in someone. Look at Davies, yes he was battered around but has great stuff. All he needed was time down on the farm to get himself righted again. But I think JS noticed that Bobby lost it with Kyle and traded him for someone Bobby would use. Devine is sort of in the same boat. Bobby will not use him unless he has no other choice. You have to know that Bobby doesn’t have too much input on who comes up from AAA. Seriously, if Bobby had any say why would he bring a guy up and not use him?
I think overall you hit the nail on the head. If Bobby doesn’t like you, you will not play much or eventually be off the team.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
Ain’t that some sweet $#!t?…I think you’ve already made enough of an a$s out of yourself today ron roberts…posting as memphisump…mr. class…
By brent a.
August 25, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this
Paladin,
Why be a jerk?
People like you make life less fun.
By Coach(LEW CANT GET ME OUT OF HIS HEAD , LOL)
August 25, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
Bob Wickman was a 6.5 million dollar mistake , period. Soriano should have been the closer right from the start. Between Wickman , Craig Wilson , Tanyon Sturtze , Chris Woodward and Mark Redman the Braves paid out 10.85 million. Tom Glavine resigned with the Mets for 10.5 million. We are short on starting pitching , do the math , John Schuerholz screwed up.
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
Shaun, I do agree with you on how meaningless saves are for the most part. That 30-3 game the other night with Texas proved that point. Yes, a reliever actually got a save in a 30-2 game. BUT I do think that closer requires a certain mindset at times.
For example, you write great posts committed to sabermetric analysis. BUT what would happen if ESPN noticed your posts, and Rob Neyer decided to retire, got fired, or got another job and ESPN asked you to take his place?
While your posts and writings may be just as good or even better as Rob Neyer when the pressure is not on you and you can just wing it on here, what would happen if they asked you to replace Rob Neyer at ESPN?
Perhaps, you could step in his shoes and do even better than him. Or maybe you could feel too much pressure and start messing up? Or maybe your editor starts asking you to shoot off controversial opinions you find intellectually dishonest and not reasonable or objective but you have to do it to keep your job? Maybe the pressure from the editor affects your abilities? Or maybe scathing remarks from the general public like Rob Neyer gets makes you start doubting yourself? Or maybe you are not getting as many hits on your articles as you need to, so you need to change something about the way you go about it?
SO, although you yourself may be just as talented as Rob Neyer, you might become overwhelmed by having to step in his shoes.
I don’t think you would but I am sure you personally know many others who could do his job when the pressure is not on but who may be overwhelmed by being employed by ESPN and being open to attack by the entire world and by editors when the pressure is on.
You yourself may be able to withstand personal attacks from the entire baseball world based upon mistakes or controversial opinions or flawed analysis but there are those with the talent of you and Rob Neyer who may not be able to.
What is forgivable when you are not the closer is not as forgivable when the pressure is on when you are the closer.
What is forgivable when you are a mere poster on someone else’s blog, is not as forgivable when your name appears in the byline with your picture with all the pressure that comes from working for ESPN.
Talent and ability are one thing. The ability to do it under pressure is another.
Yates has blown as many games as Wickman but we don’t jump on Yates as much as we do Wickman.
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this
William Wallace A very applause worthy post you made at 3:42. It wasn’t negative in the least.
I’ve lost count of questionable moves by Cox & JS this year. You covered just about every one of them.
In alluding to your post about Soriano, it now seems Moylan & Mahay are next on the “worn out” list. Both have not been sharp in recent games IMO due to overuse in meaningless situations.
You don’t step on Cox’s toes & remain with the team for long. He has his favorites that no matter how bad their play they stay in good favor.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 25, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
well, lew, whiny little jerks sometimes cease publicly whining when losing a battle of wits. lew sent lew’s “whiny little jerk” nemesis away whimpering many a night. that same whiny little jerk still partakes at the blog table and lew and this journalist both know it is our little “whiny” when the whining begins.
joebrave and this journalist are cool. journalist wishes joebrave well on joebrave’s next fishing trip.
now, the matter of shrimp sandwiches. these cannot be healthy sandwiches. slathered in butter and oozing from the bun … sounds most unhealthy. the bloggers should turn to alberta peaches. that’s right - alberta peaches - for healthy eating.
and a thought on big bob wickman - kinda like the scapegoat, right? bad attitude? with all the sore armed pitchers running around here maybe wicky thought wicky could make better decisions than the present staff. most bloggers feel they could do better. just read the posts.
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Believe what ya wish, SJA. And claim what ya wish, too. There’s a man living in the White House who spoon-fed half the country with $h!t, too, and they ate it up. There’ll be those who buy into your drivel, and those who don’t. C’est la vie.
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
Chop Chop,
Yeah. Maybe roles matter more for some than others. But I’m a firm believer that if you can get hitters out, you can handle any role.
I don’t imagine there are all that many pitchers who have gone back and forth between the closers role and other relief roles, so it’d be difficult to study how roles affect individual pitchers. And much like batting order studies, you can’t just experiment something like this in the real world. And using a computer simulation would kind of defeat the purpose because your are testing a largely psychological phenomenon.
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
By the way, SJA, you’ll choose to believe I was pretending to be a married man with kids who lives in Memphis, and I’LL choose to believe you’re a Julia Roberts impersonator. There; we’re even.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts—this may just be a coincidence…but TheJackAss thought it a bit interesting that both you and memphisump have the same girlish habit of using the pronoun ya instead of ‘you’ when referring to other people in your posts…quite telling, among other things…
You’re right about creating email addresses…TheJackAss isn’t dumb as you would hope…not giving my regular email address to dip$#!ts like you!…
I’m afraid you’re about to find out firsthand just how cunning TheJackAss can be…I’m starting to get a bit perturbed with your stupid a$s…
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
Coach
I don’t think Lew is painting a portrait of you!!!
By bill
August 25, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
The Braves don’t need Leo Mazzone. He has his hands full in Baltimore. The trouble here, McDowell don’t have the pitching like Mazzone did when he was here to work with. Had anyone heard of Mazzone before he became the Braves pitching coach. The only thing that I knew is that he was a minor league coach. McGowell will be fine. At least he has pitched in the majors. I don’t believe Mazzone had much experience in majors but that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t a good coach. He was a great coach. Just got to give McDowell a chance.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 25, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
jordan j. this journalist will kick you’re @$$. now, talk some baeball.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
Shaun i didnt say that it was the reason for the braves not to be in 1st or something……. it just surprises me how many players they have been moving. I know they moved salty to get key players, but that does not erases that it was salty taken down. And sure Orr was counted on, he was a cox favorite. And sure paronto was counted on, to many games pitched for you to tell me he was just a hitchhiker that passed by.
What i meant to say was only that i cant recall so many players on the move in a single year.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
Damn!…you tell ‘em jimmy smith!…
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
I do believe Bush hatred has become an incurable disease for some, but do us all a favor Ron Roberts & keep your political opinions to yourself.
Why don’t you & your buddy SJA take your little spat to email or IM & leave it off the blog. Nobody gives a rat’s a*s about the hardons you two have for each other.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
Lew did attempt to paint the Coach…but his model kept messing him up…that cat just wouldn’t hold it’s a$s still…
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
SJA, Coach, TennPaul, Efrim, Grinch, Superman, JoeBrave and Serbok have all used “ya” instead of “you” on this particular blog. Way to go, detective.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
Im little confused.
How come noone was talking about this guy, Acosta, the whole year. Was he in some STEALTH MODE or something? I didnt hear anyone talk about him, he comes here and looks like Smoltz with 4 2 years under his belt.
By jordan j
August 25, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
kick? or did you mean lick?
sounds like you long for a nice fuzzy alberta peach close to your lips.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 25, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
good ol’ days on this blog are back. rr and sja are at it again. but where are the goats? no goat talk in a long while. used to talk goats all day. soon, letwan will be here. and carroll, (not the sportswriter) seems to be posting as someone else. can this be? yes, old times on the blog are being revisited. now, there must be a reunion. someone must plan it for the old-timers and the new-timers. everyone meets everyone - sometimes may have to meet someone several times depending on how many monikers. and, controversy on this blog - imagine! and the same little blogger that uses all the different little names to take shots at this journalist - sticks and stones can break this journalist’s bones but words can never hurt this journalist unless someone doesn’t love this journalist’s journalism. now, that would hurt.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Luis Castillo is down with a KNEE, i think thats the problem he had before he came to NY. Im i right on this one?
By Colin
August 25, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
Have anyone heard anyword on Wickman, any takers yet?
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
Sorry to ruffle your feathers, fastasballs.
You see not liking “Shrub” as a disease; I tend to think of it as clarity, and I think the track record speaks for itself. To each his own, but you’re right about politics and this blog.
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this
I am having a thought here; I wonder how much input Bobby asks for from his pitching coaches upon making a decision on pitching changes, counts, etc? It seems to me that we did not have the types of problems we are having now with the pitching staff when Leo was here. So is Bobby getting bad calls by Roger or is it totally Bobby’s call?
By jordan j
August 25, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this
Oh, and a real journalist would know when to use “your” instead of “you’re”.
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
When Coltrane is away, it does not mean the mice can play. Can you all take the fighting out to the back of the bar already please? By that, I mean take it over to the tail end of the last blog posted? Or at least take it over to the Wickman blog? Nurse Rogchett strongly prefers Cuckoo’s Nest to be orderly.
JJS I was not saying I could do it better than Bobby. I was just pointing out that some of those moves were kind of puzzling for the reasons given for them.
Usually, in the workplace, when you get the ax, they tell you it is business, not personal. But with the Braves, the reason seems too often to be it’s personal, and only kinda business.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this
1-0
Bottom of the 4th.
muts.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 25, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this
nothing worse than a whiny little peach@$$ pretending to be tough.
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this
Esteemed William Wallace I’ve yet to read your post though I’m sure when time permits I’ll find it’s a good read and equally sure that I’ll probably concur with some if not much of your thinking … however, the “Questionable because they don’t seem to be made based upon performance” caught my eye and prompts me to observe that while we may choose to question something because of not understanding its apparent basis, that doesn’t, within itself, make it questionable in the usual sense.
Then too, individual performance is but one of many decision making criteria … some decisions are rashly made and some things are agenda based and it’s impossible to evaluate those without knowing the complete agenda.
One has to think that while we generally have a good idea of the back disabling straws and the field manager is the focus of our attention while his troops are engaging the enemy, there’s much we don’t see and he does not operate in isolation.
As an aside, I’m still not sure of the quality of the relationship between the new ownership and existing management or any impact the change might have on either John or Bobby … but, that’s another story.
If it is felt by the powers that are that Bobby’s judgment or attitude has become significantly impaired, then he should, and I’m sure would, be replaced but that would be a very delicate situation and it would have to be done so as to allow him and his to withdraw with honor … and we should be understanding of the dilemma. There are those who would argue that MLB has addressed this situation and that ownership’s hands are tied … but there are many ways to accomplish one’s agenda; indeed it’s possible to render one insignificant without them even suspecting.
However, if it is felt by the powers that are, that Bobby’s judgment and attitude are intact, then we should expect that he will continue to run on the well grooved track we’ve come to know as baseball management, Bobby Cox style … and I would imagine that like the General was known to say, Bobby feels that it’s not important that we know, only him and his.
Regardless, we can rest assured that we are not the only ones who follow the games and observe Bobby on a daily basis; some of whom are on the inside looking out … and some carrying big sticks and having more of a voice than we, though they speak more softly.
My guess is that should we miss the playoffs, some of the rich and famous will assert themselves, or at least so try … though my hope is that we don’t so they won’t.
By SNIPER-69
August 25, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
If you can’t beat the Reds and Nats of the world you don’t deserve to go to the playoffs. So you might as well find a comfortable couch to watch it on TV.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
I just returned from giving my dog his semi-weekly run in the country. He is not the Lion King but he thinks he is when he can chase rabbits and other “varmits” unimpeded.
He never catches anything, but he is an eternal optimist with a firmly- entrenched-wait-‘til-next-time attitude. And every day out is a “fresh” one with dreams of glory in what will be, while not dwelling upon the gloom of past failures. As a matter of fact, there is no gloom associated with “failures” because the “game” is his goal, whether he “wins” or “loses”.
Unfortunately, I never write about baseball ‘cause there should be a baseball—or baseball fan—moral there somewhere. Shouldn’t there be?
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
I only see dislike of anyone as a disease when it dominates one’s thinking to the point that one must reference to their dislike on a constant basis no matter the subject or situation.
I just fail to see how when posting to a baseball blog the thought of the President even enters one’s mind, but to each his own I guess.
By Miss Manners
August 25, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
By jordan j
August 25, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this
Oh, and a real journalist would know when to use “your” instead of “you’re”.
Jordan J, you are right, sweetie. Now, are you smart enough to use (realize) what you have just learned?
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this
Lets get the job done tonight.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this
I you can not win a single series to the team thats 3rd in your own division, you dont deserve to go to the playoffs.
Wonder why is a muts fan talking about when a team deserves or not to go to the playoffs, sounds like the muts have won so many division titles and playoffs games that their fans can talk about deserving playoffs or not.
By jordan j
August 25, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
nothing worse than a whiny little peach@$$ pretending to be tough.
Exactly, peach-boy - who is the one threatening to kick-@$$?
By journalist jimmy smith
August 25, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
peachboy? radioboy? is jordan j the blog troublemaker? jimmysmiththinks maybe so. now, carroll, a banishment seems in order. bye, fuzzy.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
“He never catches anything, but he is an eternal optimist with a firmly- entrenched-wait-‘til-next-time attitude. And every day out is a “fresh” one with dreams of glory in what will be, while not dwelling upon the gloom of past failures”
Does he growl at umpires?
Sounds like Cox-on-a-leash
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
I just went over to the “new” blog and recognized almost no one. Are all the “regulars” still here?
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
Braveheart and fastasballs both need to tend to their own business…
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
jjs in a “food fight”? Methinks there are jackals, jackals everywhere with ne’er a drop to stink.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this
Robert You are one of the main reasons I almost never write about baseball. There are too many smartasses like you to contend with. Bring it on, bunghole.
By Lew
August 25, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
TexasBrave-I don’t have to paint a portrait of Coach. Just go look in the dictionary under “Douchebag”. His picture is already there.
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
COMMINUCATE!!!!There you go Memphis Rump.I looked it up Genious,Now ga away little butt goblin,before you get yourself BEATCH SLAPPED!!!!!
Joebrave wishes to thank JJS for his kind words,not too often I get those,due to the fact that I’m taken completely out of context.
Lew how you been,how’s the foot,and congrats on the Award.
Savannah Guy,dude I got your back too.
Now back to the Breaking News,At Chicago O’Hare today while on layover for Flight 228 for Milwaukee Wisc.a Large Burly sort was seen mentally breaking down,as he attempted to fleece a little old lady in the concourse,It seems the aforementioned Big Guy was,a little disturbed as to his whereabouts,as he was overheard,screaming Gimme Back those Kruellers Jones you sonofabitch. Authorities quickly subdued the big man an quietly seated him on the plane,after Airport Doctors sedated Him………..
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this
Why are we so intent on self-destruction … seems to me we should have a different agenda.
Photoshop has yet to come up with a mask behind which we can effectively hide … face it, we’re unique … treasure the differences … vulgar one-upmanship is the toy of a child … the only you’re showing up is yourself but if you’re so mentally impaired that you don’t realize it or so weak that you need such a crutch, stop embarrassing yourself … try putting it back in the box and sucking your thumb instead … no one here can see you do that.
Belaboring the obvious, being vulgar doesn’t require the use of hard language and while exceedingly difficult to effect, the reverse is also true.
bye
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Braveheart and fastasballs both need to tend to their own business…
SJA I’m not even talking about you. I actually miss your posts when you disappear. This place gets very boring without you creating mayhem. When you and RR get into it, I leave it alone as everyone else should. Your neverending saga with RR is very entertaining. I don’t pick sides because I like both of you and your posts.
The whole ordeal gets tedious and watered down when all of the others start jumping in. Things get out of control when everyone else does not let you and RR tend to your business with each other.
SO, I ain’t taking you to task. Actually taking the others to task. Telling them to stay the heck out of it and mind their own business.
To me, watching you & RR go at it is like watching a good kung fu movie where two masters of the martial arts are facing off with each other.
The movie gets annoying when all of the retarded ninjas start getting involved with attacking the two master ninjas and the whole audience gets bored to tears knowing it is a tedious waste of a half hour of the movie because the two master ninjas can both easily dispose of the retarded ninjas and because the master ninjas and the audience don’t respect the retarded ninjas at all.
It’s like alright we get the point, the retarded ninjas will go down and we’ll get to see the two masters go at it. So, stop wasting the audience’s time with the incompetence of the retard ninjas.
OR something like that.
:O>
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
I just went over to the “new” blog and recognized almost no one. Are all the “regulars” still here?
Have Gun, Will Travel Have you not yet learned that unless the new blog is written by a Braves beat writer, we dare not venture outside of the Cuckoo’s Nest? We’ve all become institutionalized.
By Lew
August 25, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this
JoeBrave-The foot’s doing fine, Dude, but if I have to keep sticking it up Coach’s (I’m a Fraud and Have Been Exposed) @$$ many more times, I’m sure the infection will return.
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this
Now to those who tend to believe ronnie’s BU11shit,I can assure you that SJA’s Email address is valid,Jordan j,who in the blue he11 dost thou,thinkest thou art? You little p**,bout to meet the brutal joebrave first hand… Coach,stinky,ron roberts,robert not jib,and the rest of you xoy morons,no baseball gets talkd because of you,you guys think,that your smart@ss know-it-all ways,impress people,Know what will impress me?Eat a monkey’s turd that will impress Joebrave you ignorant little turdburgling,sockcuckers!!!!
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this
sorry…Braveheart…
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this
braveheart,boy you callin mea retarded ninja? if so watch your @ss puke!!!
By Casting Director
August 25, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this
Need some extras for a Kung fu movie, produced by Braveheart titled: The Nasty Name-calling Ninja Nadir Near N’Awlins
I want two lines. Retard ninjas on this side. Retarded Ninjas over here.
Let’s move folks, let’s move!
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this
Lost my head and direction oh great guru. I’m back in the fold now. “Fold” sounds so much better than “Pooch”, don’t you think? :-)
By The only living boy in New York
August 25, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this
Whoa! You folks sure like to use the word @$$ a lot here.
It seems like I walked into the middle of Deliverance.
Is it like this in the Braves’ clubhouse?
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 25, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this
I was hoping to log on and see that Chris Woodward had been DFAd but I guess my wish has still not come true.
By The Grinch, Retarded Ninja
August 25, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
私はここにある! Ronロバーツは、あなたのKung-fu私の物にマッチではない! 死ぬことを準備しなさい! Douchebag! :-)
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this
Muts leading dodgers in the top of the 9th 4-3.
Heilman is pitching, any idea on why is wagner not in?
By Braves Fan 79
August 25, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this
Anyone else glad the mets just beat the Dodgers?
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this
New york boy You can get your @ss kicked,If that’s what you want!!!!
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
Now on to Braves baseball,Wickman was dfa’d at the behest of Andruw Jones,Too many buffet platters and always no charmin left in the clubhouse,itseems Bobby has the patience to molly coddle,one doughboy at the time!!!1
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 25, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this
Mets win…….NICE
By Ron
August 25, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this
Joebrave Dude Dont be using my name as bashers you little p!ss ant!!! You NEED to mention more people INSTEAD of just ME, Coach, Robert, and Stinky!!! You need to name ALOT more than JUST 4 names!!! Get it together dude or you may get an @ss stompin!!!
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this
I wonder if Tex could get mad enough tonight to beat the living he11 out of C.Woodward…….
And to the @ssholes,over at TBS,Thnks for ruining the best damn T.V. station in the entire Universe…Who is the Idiot that thought Old @ssed reruns of Sh1tfeild,and Frasier,were legitimate programming….TBS NOT FUNNNY NOT FUNNY AT ALL.Man I’m glad I dumped my time warner stock,these Idiot bassturds are a joke!!!!
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this
I only see dislike of anyone as a disease when it dominates one’s thinking to the point that one must reference to their dislike on a constant basis no matter the subject or situation … that’s a mouthful and three quarters that deserves repeating and serious consideration!
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this
Damn NCZ, nice timing. Glad you made it back into the country in time to see the Muts win. Whew, that was close.
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this
You NEED to mention more people INSTEAD of just ME, Coach, Robert, and Stinky!!! … say it ain’t so Joe!
Goodness!
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 25, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this
How’s that trade for Tex and dotel working out for you?
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 25, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this
It’s ok Blueballs(fastasballs) if you want to direct your frustation at me. I know the real problem. Your team has not fulfilled your expectation/needs thus the Blueballs. just remember 6 1/2 doesn’t mean inches. It’s how far out of first your redneck braves are……..vent on bro.
By Braves Fan 79
August 25, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this
When are we gonna get rid of woodward and keep prado? As i said on here before…we should get the fastest guy we can find to take woodwards place…since all we use him for anyways is a pinch runner. (is it pitch runner , or pinch runner?) Anyways i say we train a track star (someone like michael johnson a few years back)…and use him only as a pinch runner. That alone would be so much more valuable than woodcrap…man i hate that guy. Hes alot more likeable recently since he hasent been playing! (about time we got serious about winning!) Oyea and when the phillies play the padres everyone better root for the phillies…because we can control our own destiny with the phills….we can hope for losses by the padres…but man they have 3 really good starters. Something we would of had if JS had sucked up his pride and got Glavine back at the discounted price he wanted to come back for. Instead we spent that same amount on some guarnteed veterans….i mean guarnteed CRAP!!
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this
Ron you sing that tune but can can you pay the fiddler you little Drag Queen!!!!
By Robert
August 25, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this
Boy the stress levels and the number and intensity of the various interpersonal bickerings is outta control
I cant even begin to keep track of who is p** at who and why
Which is what happens when human emorions confront failure
Unless you’re managed by Bobby Cox. In which case human emotions react to confronting failure by losing all fervor
Getting in an out of control tizzy doesnt help.
Neither does Cox’s solution of inducing catatonia
It’s not an easy solution. Especially when you consider that I’d bet that most non-Braves ballplayers are far more intense than most bloggers
At least those bloggers who remember to take their meds
So let’s keep Cox as an off-the-field consulting psychologist
Just dont let him make strategic decisions that can affect the outcome of games
By JB
August 25, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this
Does anyone of a good station that I can listen to the Braves game online at?
I’m out of town and usually just watch it. Thanks in advance for any help.
By MetsFan
August 25, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this
Overlord Wagner just needed a rest—he’s been gassed the past few days, so he got a day off, regardless of game situation. It’s called bullpen management, which is something the Braves seem to be lacking. Sorry to disappoint you, but Wagner’s just fine. And so is Castillo—minor knee issue, something he deals with all the time—and Gotay needed some at-bats. Meanwhile, I hear Dotel isn’t even close to returning….
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
I hope Hudson shuts em down tonight. It would be nice to take the series right now.
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
I’ll let JoeBrave’s inability to spell C O M M U N I C A T E, let alone actually perform it succinctly, speak for itself.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this
“Muts leading dodgers in the top of the 9th 4-3.
Heilman is pitching, any idea on why is wagner not in?”
raising his hand - OOO OOO I know, call me
Because Billy Wagner has pitched on three of the last four days, including two consecutive blown saves Th and F, and because Willie Randolph is a lot smarter than Bobby Cox
By John B.
August 25, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this
Robert: I’m sure many have said this to you, and want to. Shut, the, f*k, up. Get over you Bobby Cox lovefest, and get a god damn life. Jesus Christ man..
By Colin
August 25, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this
Anyone else think that pitch was a tad bit outside, nice at-bat tho early in the game..
By Robert
August 25, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this
Hey John B
What do you call a fish with no eyes?
Fsh
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this
It’s okay Ronnie boy,I understand,when Embarassment come’s your way you have to try other avenue’s to cover up you inadequecies!!!!!!!!!
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this
Robert I’ll tell you who I am pi$$ed at - YOU!!!
Your incessant criticism of me represents a gigantic and despicable piece of stupidity.
By Carolina Lady
August 25, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this
Lots of posters here showing their be-hinds and losing respect from others by the second. Shame on you.
By Colin
August 25, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this
HUDDY hot bat is up with two on two out…wow i feel a hit coming..
By Ron
August 25, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this
Joebrave Your just a sorry little coward that just names a few names instead of all the names!!! Your a big baby!!! Your a Queen Period!!! Thats all you are!!!
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this
I doubt that I’m acquainted with John B but I find his language as offensive as it gets … it’s despicable and absolutely inexcusable behavior … it was over the line before it got started!
By Robert
August 25, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this
Now now philosopher bobby
Here boy, have a sugar cube. And let’s go have some cake and ice cream. I’ll let you wear one of the funny hats if you’re a good boy
By Robert
August 25, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this
So I saw one of the headlines said “Bynum’s husband released”
Did he also anger Cox or did I just not know the details of Wickey’s personal life?
By Ron
August 25, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts I dont know IF Joewuss was talking about ME or You, but he should have been SPECIFIC!!! So I am gonna jump on his @ss with you!!!
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this
JoeBrave… your poor grammar and penchant for misspelling words like communicate and your don’t E M B A R R A S S me at all. You’re providing moments of levity with each post! I’m guessing your manager pulls all the letters and lays ‘em out for ya before he/she tells you to change the marque at your local Sonic drive-in.
By Mark
August 25, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
Oh my god…I just saw our highest paid player on the team smaking hands with Druw after he scored…thanks for your contributions Mr. Hampton.
By The only living boy in New York
August 25, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
Can someone explain to me how someone can kick one’s @$$ over the internet?
Is it a virtual reality thing? Or are you folks just looney?
By Robert
August 25, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this
For what it’s worth, Cox looks like he is on his game tonight. I dont know if I’ve ever seen a manager watch a game this well
Pure genius
By John B.
August 25, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this
Sorry if I offended any of you, but I’m sick of this guy cluttering this board with his constant bashing of Cox. Sure, he could make a few more better decisions, but to come on a baseball and just bash a manager every single post, of every single day gets on my damn nerves. I come here for baseball, not to take 3 minutes for the page to load just to see his trash posted.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 7:57 PM | Link to this
Paladin - The remark I made was not insulting to you or in any way a poke at you
Well, ok, I guess now that I look at it, I sorta kinda implied that your dog is dumb (by comparing Cox to it)
Accept my apology and bring me a beer
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this
Com’on guys, let’s be nice and beat up on the Cardinals.
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this
KJ!
By Robert
August 25, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this
“Can someone explain to me how someone can kick one’s @$$ over the internet?”
It’s a Special Olympics thing.
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this
Dogs are supposed to e dumb, Robert. What is your excuse?
By Dwight Fry
August 25, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this
I haven’t followed the Cardinals. Does LaRussa always bat the pitcher eighth?
I can understand Kip Wells - he is a pretty good hitter. But Pineiro as well?
By Paladin
August 25, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this
I’m going to bed. In the morning I will read where some of you made complete asses out of yourselves, while others imparted wisdom. The “wisdom” posts will take very little time to read.
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this
No matter who you are, if you get down in the gutter with the garbage you’re gonna get dirty … and after you worked so hard to clean up nice too.
For those think the vulgar exhibitionist behavior is acceptable or funny, I hope you’ll reconsider … do your folks, spouse and children, should you have any, proud … I can’t imagine your teaching your children to so behave … or wanting your mama knowing you do … so wise up, enjoy the game and don’t be a hypocrite.
By Supes
August 25, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this
I’m thinking that Dotel will be just fine when the sorry NY METS come in to the TED next weekend.
Meanwhile TEX’s contributions to the team have been obvious. Just b/c he can’t pitch as well is not his problem. Still could turn out to be a great move for this year or the next.
Must win tonight, Huddy has to shut down the Cards and Braves have to score some runs.
Maybe we can get some help from the Phillies tonight, if they beat San Diego at least once during their series.
Wild Card still very much in reach.
Something else to think about, Braves will have all of their september callups for the weekend against the METS, can’t come at a better time. Some of the guys in the minors have been playing excellent ball.
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this
That non-call on Pujols check swing is like Jordan not getting called for taking 15 steps in the lane.
By GermanBravesFan
August 25, 2007 8:14 PM | Link to this
Robert: GET A LIFE!
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this
Okay, man on third, nobody out…that equals zero runs, right?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this
If tim could be taken out in the 6th if we put the game out of reach, it could be a good chance for pitching on 4 days rest
By Colin
August 25, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this
Willie has to have some patience..
By Ron Roberts
August 25, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this
What is it about us getting a runner at third and nobody out? We have to lead the league in stranded runners at third w/no outs.
If anybody keeps up w/that sorta thing.
Shaun Payne?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this
Well as statics say, this game is in the bag with a 99% of accuracy.
So its up to the phillies to make this night a productive one.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this
OK guys just relax, save the adrenaline for tomorrow, we are gonna need it.
Tomorrow is an off day for Rolen, at least a potential HR will be sitting on the bench.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
The braves are just like Dr jeckyll and Mr Hyde, 2 completely different teams.
M Giles is going to the DL. So SD just got weaker.
And Young is still recovering.
Phillies winning.
We could be 2 GB by the end of the night.
By zimo z
August 25, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
Andruw’s average is up to .222
He has reached the Michael Constantine line!
By Carroll Rogers
August 25, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this
it’s a perfectly pleasant night here and the braves are up 3-0 and there’s bickering? ah well.
not to worry, good folks, a well-rested DOB will return on monday.
braveheart, not sure when anybody said David Wells was not an option because he wouldn’t be a good fit in the clubhouse.
grinch, didn’t know i needed an apology. guess that’s a good thing. accepted anyway, eh?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this
This is the 1st time all year cardinals have back to back outings of 4 or less innings.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this
“What is it about us getting a runner at third and nobody out? “
Ron, how many possible answers have you considered and found dont make sense?
I know you think it cant be Cox - but just consider it for a moment
Consider - If Cox doesnt have the team properly prepared - then would you expect that team to suffer an inordinate number of failures in the man on third with noone out scenario?
IF - not does it make sense to Ron, but IF A, then would B follow
If yes, then A is likely true
TRY it
Watching you punish yourself trying to figure it out while ignoring the obvious hurts
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this
Leaving that runner at 3rd with 0 outs may loom large.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this
Hey tim………dont let him beat us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By mr baseball
August 25, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this
Braveheart:
I have occasionally been critical of the frequently uninformed and sub-literate posts on this blog, so I should offer praise when it’s due. The posts you offered up today on Cox and your response to Shaun were maybe the two most thoughtful efforts I’ve encountered since I came on board early this season.
A lot of what passes for blogging here is either juvenile, nonsensical or just plain idiotic, but you nailed both topics. A tip of the interactive cap.
Back to my usual complaining about Chance the Manager, who likes to watch but not do much else. At what point does he come to the conclusion that playing Diaz occasionally in LF against RH pitchers might be the thing to do. Willie Harris is clearly returning to his standard performance level and is more a drag than an asset in the leadoff role.
Cox has options for the top of the order against RH pitchers other than Willie, but that might actually cause him to have to spend another minute or so determining the batting order, which as we all know, is a minute ot too longer than he likes to give thought to anything.
By Colin
August 25, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this
uhoh…great nice 3-3…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this
its ok……. 1RBI better than 3.
Keep them there.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this
No DONK NO! Whatever you are thinking. Just DONT
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this
Willie Harris is what he is…
No power, but a severe uppercut in his swing (i.e. lots of fly ball outs)
Reasonably fast, but a bad base stealer.
He is quickly falling back to earth, and meanwhile one of our best 2-3 hitters (Diaz) wastes away on the bench.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this
tim is 95-1 when given a 3 run lead. Is it possible that we make him go 95-2.
That talks bad about us.
By GermanBravesFan
August 25, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this
Robert: GET A LIFE!!!
By chrisklob
August 25, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this
Well as statics say, this game is in the bag with a 99% of accuracy.
Nice going Overlord, you jinxed ‘em.
By Colin
August 25, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this
Way to choke guys…congrats…
By Robert
August 25, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
Six hits in the inning off Hudson. The only out was almost a 3-run dinger.
And Donk is watchin baseball with no worries
By joebrave
August 25, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this
Hey Ron,I believe I was directing my missiles at Ron Roberts my friend not you so don’t go jumpin where you can’t turn loose..
RR you piece of Garbage what say you literate us with some of your knowledge.Oh,Yeah,I forgot you Graduate the third grade in Hogswallow and you’re done.
P.S. $hithead I probably make more in one day than you do in a month… what an over glorified prick you are!!
By philosopher robert cox
August 25, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this
which as we all know, is a minute ot too longer than he likes to give thought to anything
My thought is me: that is why I cannot stop thinking. I exist because I think. I cannot keep from thinking.
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this
That is 4 straight starts for Hudson with at least 3 earned runs given up. Not good. At least he is giving us innings.
Is it possible that this team can make a comeback in the mate innings and actually hold a lead??????
We’ll see, but remember it is Wainwright and Reyes tomorrow…….
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this
Hudson is a great bunter, leave him in the game to get over Escobar
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this
I guess i did Chris…… Lots of time to get them.
By hk
August 25, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this
Grinch, yes, I do recognize similar characteristics, the difference is you see them now, it took me years and years longer :)) … have some thoughts about one thing and another, probably not blog material, sometime when you’ve got nothing better to do, I’m at
hkball@mindspring.com
By Colin
August 25, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this
We use WOODCRAP and not Diaz…wow BC i dunno anymore
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
All else being equal, if both Tim Hudson and Woodcrap were available to hit, who would you choose?
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this
I see the “Spelling bee champ” is back from the Orpheum and blogging so nicely with all his friends…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this
Hey AJ and woodward getting on base right after wickman is gone…
I FEEEEEEEEEEL THE HEAT!!!!!!!!!!!
By Colin
August 25, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this
I love our fundamentals skill..you know like Willie getting this bunt down..i love it..LOVE IT!!!!
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
Guess it doesnt matter if willie learns how to bunt, right?
By Braves Fan 79
August 25, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this
pitchitting woodcrap for hudson? why? we all know hudsons a better hitter…although it worked.
Watch it take almost the rest of the season for Bobby to realize Diaz is hotter than Harris right now!
By chrisklob
August 25, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this
Colin, exactly who choked in that inning? I seem to remember a well-placed bunt, several bloop hits, one double (only hard hit ball) and the shortstop getting screened from picking up the ball. How do you get “choke” from that?
By Freisian
August 25, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this
Willie can’t put down a g******* bunt!
By Colin
August 25, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this
I dont know what to think..i may just not follow baseball the next month..im lost for words…
By Kim
August 25, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this
In the words of Dickie Vitale - This team is an absolute joke.
Can’t bunt, can’t move runners over. Fundamentals! This team is just missing something.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
Could anyone tell KJ that he cant take that pitch with 2 strikes?
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this
Let’s consider our leadoff hitter for a moment…can’t steal, can’t get a bunt down, no power, 3 for his last 40 or so.
Of course Bobby will stick with him in that role.
By BravesDave
August 25, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this
The last inning and half is a perfect microcosm of this season. Hudson should have gotten out of the bottom of the fifth without much damage, but Escobar botches a tailor-made double play grounder. Then, the Braves get the first two on, only for Willie Harris to once again fail to get a but down in a big spot. Then, Kelly Johnson strikes out in a six-pitch at bat where he does not swing at a single pitch.
By GermanBravesFan
August 25, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this
Robert: GET A LIFE!!!
By The Grinch, Retarded Ninja
August 25, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this
このチームは私に打撃を与えようとしている!
I also speak English…this team is going to give me a stroke.
By This Year, Next Year
August 25, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this
Perfect!!!! Down by 2 in the sixth. Two men on, noone out. Lefthander on the mound. Diaz on the bench. Let Willie hit. That sucked to let him hit.
Oh yeah….. well let’s let him bunt the guys over! For the second time in a row when called upon, Willie (who should be able to bunt) can”t get a runner/runners over! I don’t expect a slugger to be able to bunt great but my god what’s with Willie? A fast midget has to be able to bunt! It HAS to be part of his game! If it isn’t, then sit him down until he learns!
Folks that’s why the Braves are where they are. Bad Pitching and failure to play fundamental baseball.
By Colin
August 25, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this
Chrisklob
Who choked everyone…the whole team..no one specific just as a whole..idc if they would have hit a 500 foot homerun they choked…3-0 lead and choked… Lets face it i guess this team is just average and cant do the fundamentals a la WILLIE GETTING THAT BUNT DOWN…that was excellent…Only if TEX could play every position at once because that would be our only hope…Atleast i have no expectations for them the next month other than to play .500 ball….which they have no problem doing…BECAUSE THERE AVERAGE!!!!
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this
Well let’s see, the Cards get their bunt down, a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs & Escobar doesn’t make a play that saves several runs.
The Braves can’t get the bunt down, are lucky to score at all & Rolan makes a more difficult play to save a run.
This is a must win game with Jo Jo going tomorrow.
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this
We have to get more there. Willie and KJ have to do a better job. Good lord. How come Yates is in? Get Acosta or Ascanio up.
When was the last time we came back in the late innings and won? I am guessing it was the last game in the Mets series. I guess that wasn’t too long ago. Still, a comeback victory tonight would do wonders for the team.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this
let yates pitch the 8th please……..please.!!!!!!!!!!!
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this
I’ve read a lot of bloggers recently who give Cox a complete pass for the lack of fundamentals on this team, especially hitting — you know, getting a runner in from third with less than 2 out, advancing a runner from 2nd to 3rd with nobody out, getting a bunt down, etc. The rationale goes something like this — the players are major leaguers, they should be able to do these things, if they can’t it’s the fault of the farm system (or whatever farm system they came through) or simply their inherent inability to get it done.
Well, phooey on that, I say. If the major league club makes it a point to PRACTICE, EMPHASIZE and HOLD PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE for doing these “little things,” those “little things” will get done. But Bobby’s brand of baseball, as everyone knows, is to let guys hit away and play for the long ball.
It’s obvious why players love playing for BC. No accountability for not doing the little things, no public accountability (i.e. BC never calls a guy out in public), nothing. Just show up and take your hacks.
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this
BC has to move Escobar to leadoff everyday. It makes the most sense.
By daxxed
August 25, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this
Face it folks….the Braves will most likely be 10 back when the Mets come to Atlanta. It will not matter at all if teh Braves continue the dominance of teh Mets and sweep them…The Braves are out of it….
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this
Someone crack one outta here and tie this game……
By Colin
August 25, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this
All season this team has been average….Everything they do is average…Only i could manage this team they would be running every ball out…Andruw wouldn’t be jogging to 1st on a roll out to the 2nd baseman..sorry its 90 ft not 3 miles…Also Diaz would be playing everyday..Willie is pathetic he cant bunt and that is what a leadoff hitter is supposed to do. I’m sorry if anyone disagrees but lets face it Average…
By This Year, Next Year
August 25, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this
Oh and I forgot about that marvelous ab by Clutch Kelly. Two on, one out and take a fastball, belt high, right down the middle for strike three. So I suppose he was looking for something else huh?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this
If AJ is hurting……….why play him at all?????
But if you are in love with him……..why play him everyday???
By BravesDave
August 25, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this
Not a good time for the 2007 Jeff Francoeur to start turning into the 2006 Francoeur, but don’t look now…he is hitting .222 in his last 13 games.
Do you think we will be reading tomorrow about how Willie Harris was DFA’d? Can this guy do something, anything positive lately?? He is hitting .195 with 1 RBI in his last 13 games, not including his nice 0 for 4 tonight. Fails to get a bunt down - twice. Who is that Matt Diaz guy that I keep hearing about??? He is supposed to be pretty good.
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this
Okay, BC lovers, ruminate on this one. It may work out fine, but…last night in a 7-2 lead he brings in Mahay to pitch an inning. Tonight here in the 7th, the Cards had two lefties with power (Edmunds and Duncan) leading off…to me, that screams Mahay. But not, it’s Acosta, who could have easily pitched last night with the big lead.
By fastasballs
August 25, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this
The Cards are 58-0 when leading after 8.
By chrisklob
August 25, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this
Colin, first of all, calm down. If you have resigned yourself to the fact that this team is no better than average then you have no reason to get so excited when they lose a three run lead.
Second, nobody choked. Choking is when a simple ground ball runs between your legs (a la Buckner), or when an outfielder misses a fly ball he should have caught, or when someone throws to the wrong base. Or when AJ goes to the plate and hits into an inning-ending DP (which he’s done plenty this year). But that didn’t happen in the StL. portion of that inning. What happened that inning was NOT anyone choking. No, not even the ball that Escobar missed because the runner blocked his view of the ball.
You can’t even say Hudson choked. There was one hard hit ball. The rest were just bleeders and bloopers.
I’m not even sure that you can call this team “average”. I think that a more fitting expression would be “underperforming”. They’ve done plenty of that this season.
By daxxed
August 25, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this
As the Braves fall further back from the charging Mets, who made all the right moves this past season, as well during the season. I am so impressed with the caliber of Ball that the Mets play…If they need to bunt a runner they do it…if they need a fly to bring in a runner at 3rd they doit…They never give up…But the Braves give up after the first time they leave the bases loaded and 0 outs, especially since they can never score the runners. So as this season comes to a close, when the Braves end up 15 games out of first, we can all look back at the many times the Braves could have won the game with the runners sitting on 3rd with 1 or less outs and I bet it will be the most in the maojrs.
By Superman
August 25, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this
offense above average. Defense average. Pitching Below average. Add that all up and you have an average team. But even if thats the case I still hold out hope until the second they are eliminated.
Thorman actually saw 5 pitches that at bat.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this
“It’s obvious why players love playing for BC. No accountability for not doing the little things, no public accountability (i.e. BC never calls a guy out in public), nothing. Just show up and take your hacks.”
Thank you
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this
Isnt Matt on the bench?
I guess Thorman is a better pinch hitter.
By Robert
August 25, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
“Someone crack one outta here and tie this game”
That’s EXACTLY what Cox is thinking right now.
That, and “I wonder if Wickey left any sugar cubes in his locker?”
By Colin
August 25, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this
Umm there average…average teams dont get people on then not get them in when there on 3rd and 1 or no outs..bases loaded means no runs guaranteed… im sorry but Average should be on there jersey not BRAVES…The reason im so excited is because this team should be scoring 20 runs and blowing every team not 4 with luck….
By Six Four Three
August 25, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this
Escobar was shielded by the runner on that “supposed routine double play”. He didn’t see the ball until it was practically by him—-chalk that up to bad luck—not poor play. Harris needs to be taught how to bunt. He tends to pull the bat back in an attempt to “deaden” the ball. This results in many foul balls or pop ups. It’s baseball 101…
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this
No comments, women most feel like this after giving birth after 10 hours of pain, im exhausted.
Another day, another losing effort.
By wicky
August 25, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this
Here’s a tip:
When having a sandwich, try some sliced cucumber on the side instead of potato chips.
It’s healthier!
By TexasBrave
August 25, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this
Hmmm Thorman to lead off the the 8th inning when we need runs. Now I haven’t been watching the whole game, but isn’t Diaz still on the bench? Yet another questionable call by BC.
Oh and very typical. Thorman has a 3 and 1 count and he swings at a close pitch that could have gone either way.
By Steven
August 25, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
Willie Harris has shown beyond a reasonable doubt that he’s a poor bunter. So why bunt him once again in that situation?
You’re on the road and scoring 2 runs only means it’s tied, and the Braves haven’t exactly shown a knack for scoring late in close games. So again, why play for the tie in such a situation on the road with a poor bunter?
That moment called for going for a big inning since a successful bunt by Harris was a low percentage proposition to begin with. I think Diaz clearly should have been sent up to pinch hit.
Also, with runners on 1st and 2nd and 1 out and a 3 - 0 count, should Chipper Jones have been given the green light? I don’t think so. With 2nd and 3rd, yes. But with 1st and 2nd, no way imo. Not when you’re down 2 runs and your big cleanup hitter is on deck.
They ended up with bases loaded and 1 out for Tex anyway, but I just don’t think it was smart baseball to give Chipper the green light in that situation.
In the past, I’ve seen Cox give green lights with 1st and 2nd and no out and a 3 - 0 count. No way anyone could convince me that from a mathematical standpoint, that this is not incredibly dumb baseball.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
This might be like the GAS CHAMBER!!!!!!
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 25, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
Robert’s obsession with Bobby Cox borders on severe mental retardation…
By chrisklob
August 25, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this
Colin, I won’t argue with you that this team has not been playing up to expectations. My point is that no one choked at the particular time you claimed that they did.
By Colin
August 25, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this
Anyone else wanna put there head through a wall….this team is a disgrace….
By Braves Fan 79
August 25, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this
Well at least if we keep it a 1 run game we have our big guns coming up in the 9th. Hey…walk pulhos? we shoulda thought about that last time we played st louis in Atlanta when he won it in extras for them with a solohomer with 2 outs.
Im dreading giving jojo another start tomorrow…why!? Its almost as bad as giving Redmen another start!
Damn Andrew That a BOY!!
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this
Well Andruw Jones just bailed out Bobby. WHERE IS MAHAY TO PITCH TO EDMUNDS with two on and two out in the eighth of a 1-run game?????
Oh yeah, he pitched a meaningless inning in a 7-2 game yesterday.
I know I’ve posted this topic 3 or 4 times just today, but it is just so frustrating to have a mindless idiot running this team.
By Freisian
August 25, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this
That was cool to see Edmonds appreciate Andruw’s catch. One master to another.
By John B.
August 25, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this
Damn, what a catch. Gonna miss plays like those in CF unless a minor miracle happens.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this
1st time this year ill say something positive about AJ.
Highlight of the year right there for him. If we win this game……..Thats the GW-RBI Right there.
But………still need to score at least one……..
Gooooooooo Braves…… Down fall any deeper in the standings.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this
What was Brian thinking? The balls almost went over the umpires head……………MANNNNNNNNN
By Colin
August 25, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this
Haha no way we get a hit..not a chance BUMDRUW IS UP!!!
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
So its up to AJ…… WOOOWWWW!!!!!!! he can make some headlines……
By Six Four Three
August 25, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
One of the absolute best catches I’ve ever soon. Great job, AJ. I’d love to AJ take the lead with a hit here.
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this
The Braves DFA’d Matt Diaz, right? Or, Matt Diaz was put on the DL, right? Because there is no other explanation for him not being used somewhere along the line in a tight game like this.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
Thats my guy……….AJ!!!!!!!!!!
By Colin
August 25, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
Great night…have a good night everyone…well im packing it in anyone else?
By Bob, Journalist
August 25, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
plus I checked out Wicky’s Warriors website … a good place to look for the skinny on Wickman, don’t you think?
Playing Diaz occasionally in LF against RH pitchers might be the thing to do … you know that I strongly agree but I suppose having a good situational hitter available at one’s command is nice too … were it me making the decisions, both Matt and Willy would have played every one of the last 60 … Andruw would have been on the bench counting his money.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
HEARTLESS BRAVES…….
This is biiiiiggggggggg trouble.
WC slipping away, very very fast. Faster than a Bullet Train.
By Freisian
August 25, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
who didn’t think Andruw would srike out on a pitch away? It kills me to think of the wasted talent that has slipped through the mucous-covered fingers of Bobby Cox.
By philosopher bobby cox
August 25, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
You win some, you lose some.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 25, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this
oh, the humanity! how many times this year were the winning runs on base and andruw at the plate for the final out? sad that andruw is a shell of the former andruw. sad that bobby couldn’t find a way to get those runs in. sad that blog impostors are making this blog not much fun again.
By daxxed
August 25, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this
I called it…This team has lost it’s drive….Another one bites the dust…as the Braves falll to 7 games back….
By N8
August 25, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
Andruw sucks.
PERIOD.
Might be stating the obvious here, but if we can’t even win the games that Smoltz and Hudson start, why are we bothering showing up to the stadium?
The Willie Harris “experiment” in the leadoff spot has officially run it’s course. Time to move KJ back up, platooning him and Escobar. Putting Willie back where he belongs, in the #2 or #8 hole.
Classic Cox, to wait TOO LONG to put him in the leadoff spot, and then KEEP HIM THERE when it’s obvious that the guy can’t get it done from that spot in the order (.257 in 36 games batting in the leadoff spot - .388 in 29 games batting 2nd or 8th).
Like I said. Classic Cox. I wonder if when family introduces him at functions, he is referred to as “My other brother Daryl”?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this
Colin you must be some genius man….. i would have never guessed that one….. I really though AJ was gonna drive in the winning run…… I just lost my home on a bet with my neighbor.
We are in DEEP ZHEET here.
By TampaBrave
August 25, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this
I envisioned my trip to ATL to see the Mets game would mean something. I guess not.
I can’t tell you how troubling it is that Harris has failed twice in crucial situations to get a simple bunts down. Those are game changing plays. Next time, grab Oscar V. to get that job done.
BC, please put Matt in for the rest of the year. He’ll get the job done, lefty or righty.
Agree with JJonathans 8:55
By Yars
August 25, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this
Now 7 games behind the Mets & 4 behind the Padres. This Braves team I don’t think will even win 3 games in a row again this season. By next weekend, we’ll be 11 games behind the Mets & 8 games in back of the wildcard. As far as I’m concerned, the season was over tonight.
By MEB
August 25, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
Just like the Diet Pepsi Max commercial the post game moaners are absolutely driving me outta here!
Tonight was a game that was painful to lose but it was a great game to watch. Would have been great to see Andruw get the big hit but this is just not his year. Chipper could have had a couple of hits but that’s baseball. Well, lets get after them tomorrow.
GO BRAVES!!!
By The Grinch
August 25, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this
&%#@! Oh, well. Despite everything, it still isn’t over yet. And football season’s coming up, anyhow. G’night, all.
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 25, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this
Slip siding away, slip siding away……7 games away from the Mets. Why don’t you all tell me again how the braves were gonna take the NL east back from the Mets because last year was a fluke. I can’t wait to hear you bull-sh-it your way around this one.
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this
Braveheart,
To respond to your 4:27 post, I don’t think it’s exactly the same thing.
I think the pressures of pitching in the majors in a close game in the 6th or 7th or 8th inning is not significantly different from the pressures of pitching in the 9th with a three-run lead or less.
And like I’ve said before, I think if you’ve played baseball your whole life, played in high school and possibly college, have went through three or four years in the minors, and a major league managers trusts you enough to put you in a tight situation, you probably can handle either closing or a set-up role.
Yes, I’m sure there are some human beings out there who couldn’t handle the pressures of closing in the major leagues. My guess is that many of those people aren’t major league set-up men.
Thanks for mentioning me in the same sentence as Neyer and thinking I’m close to that talented, if that’s what you were saying. But I think it’s a different situation. In your analogy, hiding behind a computer is a lot different than pitching in the majors with tens of thosands of people watching you and some in the media and some fans criticizing you fail.
By Lionel
August 25, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this
Its all over for 07..won’t make up 7 on the Mets and won’t make up 4 on the Padres for the wild card…now we can’t win when Hudson starts!…The Cards score in only 1 inning tonite but it was good enough.
I knew it would come back to bite us in the a** when up 3 in the 4th, runners on the corners and the top of the order does none of the things necessary for winning baseball
why bother to watch any of these games anymore when you know what the outcome is before it starts. the braves only have a “chance” when Smoltz or Hudson starts.
By Eric C.
August 25, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this
Daxxed…forget the division! They are fading fast in the wild card race. Has this team won ANY games after trailing in the 8th? Anyone have the quick stats on that? Like someone else said…no heart.
By supa
August 25, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this
Another streak ends today. Hudson had won something like 76 in a row when given a 3-run lead…until today.
Past performance is usually a strong indicator of future results. And over the course of 125 games, the Braves have shown they are a mediocre team. They will likely end the season 4-6 games over .500, which isn’t bad, but unfortunately, 83 or 84 wins won’t get them in the postseason.
By Steve
August 25, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
Tonight’s game is a perfect example of why increasing numbers of astute baseball fans are realizing that Bobby Cox is extremely IQ challenged when it comes to strategy and tactics. It’s a critical game. It’s a close game. Yet Cox can’t find a way to get our best hitter into the game, someone with a 343 average. Though he does find a way to get at-bats for our 2 worst hitters, someone with a 203 average and someone with a 216 average. Geeze.
One can’t say that Cox categorically cost the Braves this game. But I think one can categorically say that Cox greatly decreased the Braves chances to win the game. And he’s been doing this all frigging year.
A few weeks back, I suggested the Braves should go to an Atlanta chess club and recruit a local chess master who was familiar with the Braves to advise Cox on strategy. I said that partially in jest as I know there was no chance that would happen, but I was serious in my belief that the team would greatly benefit by such a move.
After watching the Braves in the few weeks since I made that suggestion, and seeing continued dumb move after dumb move by Cox, I’m convinced that had the Braves gone and hired a local chess master to make strategic and tactic decisions instead of Cox, that the Braves would be in the lead for the wild card and on the heels of the Mets.
By Lionel
August 25, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
Andruw Jones cracks on Wickman, but as far as I am concerned he was not a team player this year either. His only goal this year was to try to hit 60 homers to fatten up his new contract. GOODBYE Andruw! I used to like to watch you play, but no more. Replacing your production of this season next season should not be much of a problem
By I no longer love AJ
August 25, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this
Andruw Jones is no longer a player I like.
Why did Thorman pinch hit and not Diaz?
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this
If Bobby had some balls, Matt Diaz would have been used as PH for AJ. It was clear that was the right call, but no…………..AJ has earned to KKKK for the last out with the WInning run at 2b……. even more as he made the catch…… That old man needs medical help!!!!!!!
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
Damn. The Padres have a 5 game lead in the loss now.
The Mets have a 8 game lead in the loss now.
There are 32 games left in the season.
We are 67-63.
We would probably have to go 20-12 to even have a shot of making the playoffs.
12 of those 32 games are against the Mets and Phillies.
We are 8-4 against the Mets and 6-6 against the Phillies. For arguements sake, lets say we go 4-2 versus the Mets and 3-3 against the Phillies.
That would mean we would have to go 13-7 versus the rest of the league. 6 games vs. Marlins, 6 games vs. Nationals, 4 games vs. Brewers, 3 games vs. Astros and tomorrow’s game vs. the Cardinals.
I think it is very possible. I think we can do it gang. Go Braves!!!!
That was positive Efrim….
Now here is me keepin it real….
Our last four losses have been 2 runs or less against teams under .500.
I guess this is what it is like to be a Phillies fan. Mediocre baseball folks. That is who we are now. A mediocre baseball team.
84-78. That will be our record….
That is Philadelphia Phillies baseball. That is what this once proud organization has become.
Sigh. They should all be ashamed of themselves. Each one of them.
By The Truth Hurts
August 25, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
1st and 3rd, nobody out, 3rd inning, one run in…pop out, strikeout, groundout. Even a double play ball makes it 4-0. Gee, that run might’ve come in handy tonight.
Your 2007 Atlanta Braves. Usually they wait until the playoffs to fail so miserably in the clutch. This year, we’re lucky enough not to have to wait!
Since I’m moving overseas at the end of September, I was worried I might miss some playoff games.
No such worries anymore.
Finding new ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Maybe Cox will retire early. Well, at least we have a full year of Tex next year and should have parts and money to move around for some starting pitching.
Can’t wait for ‘08 and incessant complaining from N8.
I’ll be on the other side of the world, but I’ll still hear the blog screeching to a halt when Robert logs on.
To add insult to injury, our starting quarterback’s name is “Joey.”
Not good times in the Dirty.
Oh well.
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 25, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
If anyone hears from LEW tell him I have one word for him…..SEVEN.
By Yars
August 25, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this
Andruw ending the game striking out. Classic Andruw.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
LIONEL That was a clean base coment 1037.
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this
No Chop Zone,
Yes you are right. The Braves blew it. And next year you will have Pedro back. Probably trade for Johan Santana, and get Duaner Sanchez back as well. You take care of business, we don’t.
All Hail the Mets. They are running away with this thing.
By Lew
August 25, 2007 10:55 PM | Link to this
Hey-It could be worse. Coach could have been here telling us he knew this would happen last Novemeber. Maybe if we’re real lucky, NoBrainZone will go slip slidin away.
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this
Usually they wait until the playoffs to fail so miserably in the clutch. This year, we’re lucky enough not to have to wait!
You’re right. They usually blow it in the playoffs, but why wait until then. Why even go?
Our last playoff picture will be Joey Devine walking off the mound surrendering a walkoff 2 run home run to Chris Burke.
Next year the Phillies lose 30 million off their payroll, sign Fransisco Cordero to close for them and move Myers back to the rotation. They make those two moves and they are a better team then us.
The Mets. Well, they won’t need to do much…….
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this
Are you learning to count? I wouldnt be surprised.
Efrim good post .
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this
Efrim,
Not trying to be overly positive, but there are a lot of organizations who would love to be contenders for fourteen years followed by a year just under .500 then a year just over .500.
Yes, it stinks that the Braves had to miss the playoffs and it’s looking like they will miss again this season, but name another organization like them? We’ve been spoiled with a historically unique baseball franchise for the last 16 years. I’m not against pointing out flaws, but I’m not going to compare this franchise to a lowly one or complain too much that we have to suffer through missing the post-season for a couple of years after what happened through all of my adolescence and young adulthood.
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this
Steve,
Gee, I thought Cox got the Braves’ best hitter in the lineup when he filled out the lineup card and put him in the number three spot and at thirdbase.
Oh, yeah, batting average is the only stat that matters. Never mind that it doesn’t take into account power or walks or outs.
By gotigers72
August 25, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this
Well the fat lady is doing some serious warming up now. 7 games out in the division and 4 back in the Wild Card. And with the 3-5 starters fixing to do their thing.
I believe there is a morale problem on this team. From what Brian Jordan said on the Braves Live pregame show the night after Wickman gave up the walk off to Dunn. He wasn’t in the locker room, but you know he had some inside information. He hinted that there was a blow up in the locker room after the game. I would bet Wickman got in either McDowell or Cox’s face. Not good for morale.
Three main reasons morale is poor. #1 - The main reason by far IMO. The offense goes out and scores a ton of runs, and then the starters [specifically 3-5] GIVE UP a ton of runs and the Braves lose. The offense scores to go ahead or tie, and the next half inning, the pitcher gives up runs to tie or let the opponents go ahead. Can’t even hold a lead for an inning. 2 - The Braves have to be the worst team in the league at getting runners home from 3rd with less than 2 outs. I wonder what the percentage is. That has to be deflating and demoralizing to a team for that to continually happen. 3 - All of those times that leads were given up by the bullpen in the 8th or 9th innings. Mainly by Soriano giving up homers. Wickman had his crappy moments too. The bullpen is better than that mess they had last year, but just barely.
All of those things combined have led to the current low morale. Just watch their faces and body language. It ain’t hard to tell.
Now we gotta send JoJo out tomorrow. He’ll pitch okay until a guy named Pujols or Edmonds or Rolen comes up, and then he’ll walk them. That will be followed shortly by a bomb from Duncan, Molina, etc. It makes no sense that he throws strikes in the minors, then comes up and walks the Griffeys and the Dunns, etc. For whatever reason, he is scared to pitch to the big boys.
Supposedly the Braves were upset that they didn’t get in the playoffs last year, and they were gonna make up for it this year. They haven’t played like it.
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 25, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this
Here, here…..Let me lead you all to the ledge. Now on the count of three go ahead and take the big leap…….One, Two, THREE!
By Double Deuce
August 25, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this
Anyone notice that we left 23 men on base? Lose by one and strand 23. Huddy has one bad inning and loses. All this talk about offense and we continue to let pitchers off the hook. Pinero was there for the taking tonight and we could have and should have won this game early, and then even when we get to bullpens that are supposed to be the weak link of these teams we can’t score. Frustrating. Not over yet but this isn’t the type of team to come from too far behind. Hope we aren’t there yet.
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this
I hope all those Cox supporters loved his tactics tonight.
Tip my hat to the muts as they have found out how to win games and we dont. Not a bad team, only bad execution of basics. Nothing else…… This was not the 5th pitcher. Just a bad manager.
And for the guy that said it was the farm system harris came from, thats wrong. If a player does not know how to bunt, you teach him. But more important, which i think is the current case, if you dont practice the basics, you dont execute well what you have already learned.
By Braveheart
August 25, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this
Carroll I based that post on something DOB said a week or so ago in response to people who wanted David Wells to replace Chuck James for some reason. DOB correctly tore the ones suggesting Wells replace Chuck a new one by reporting alot of Wells’ horrific stats this season. But DOB said if they go after Wells, it would be as an absolute last resort. DOB said he talked with Braves’ brass and they said Wells was not high on the radar and that the Braves aren’t ready to abandon James and go for an old, outspoken, volatile lefty whose numbers are worse than Chuck’s and they wanted to see another start or two from Cormier before making any decision on that front.
I agree with DOB it is absurd to replace Chuck with Wells. It is even much more absurd to replace Chuck with JoJo though. Chuck is not a problem. The quality is there. The quantity is the problem with Chuck.
I wanted Wells to replace Cormier or whomever the fifths were going to be. Time was wasting away and they wanted to see what Cormier could do when they could get Wells instead? I know he was pitching decent but, come on, it’s Cormier.
The Padres were 9-13 in Wells’ starts this year, 9-9 when his ERA was 4.16 on July 16th. Davies had a similar ERA to Wells and the Braves had a 7-10 record when he started. The Braves are now 1-4 when Cormier starts and 3-16 when anyone not named Davies, Smoltz, James, Hudson, or Buddy start. We are 3 games out. We are almost guaranteed to be 1-5 or 0-6 when Cormier or a fifth starter starts the rest of the year.
With this offense, even if Wells had a 5.50 ERA and gave us 5 innings, there is no reason to believe he would not go 2-4 or 3-3 in his remaining starts. With a similar offense in 2004, the BoSox went 13-12 in Derek Lowe’s starts even though he had a 5.40 ERA.
We are 3 games out, even it was only 1 or 2 or 3 extra wins from Boomer as compared to Cormier or whatever fifth, it would have been worth it even if he was a clubhouse cancer.
So, why was he not high on their radar to become the fifth starter who might make the 1 or 2 or 3 win difference to get into the postseason? Partly because of statistical performance. But reading DOB’s post, I perhaps let my imagination run away with me and speculated it is because he is volatile and outspoken - a risk deemed not worthy of a 5 something ERA which is much better than the 7 something ERA of the fifths which could have gotten the Braves a few extra wins.
So maybe I read too much into that post by DOB and should have more literally read that Wells is washed up and not a drunken loudmouthed volatile jerk no one wants around.
But when I compare his performance to Cormier or any of the rest of our fifths…. Not picking up Wells because they wanna see what they get out of Cormier is not exactly a reason to make me believe they were not scared of Wells’ volatile outspokenness more than his poor performance since July 16th.
Sometimes, I can read too much into what you are both saying and let my speculative mind run too wild. SO, if I read too much into the Wells’ thing by DOB, my bad.
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this
Shaun
So, you are agreeing with Cox not using Diaz at all tonight, and instead going with Harris in LF and using Thorman and Woodward as pinch-hitters.
What sabermetrics might you cite to claim that Diaz isn’t a better option than any of those three right now?
By bill
August 25, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this
What else can be said of the Braves!!!! This team is bad. The chemistry is not there and they have no mental toughness. Where does that come from? This team is going nowhere until they have a change in management. BC, please retire and take JS with you. It’s been a bad year for all.
By Supes
August 25, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
Efrim,
I hope you are being sarcastic about next year’s Mets. Already willing to surrended the NL East in 2008 to the Mets are you?
Sure the Braves are a flawed team right now, but with the right mix of trades/free agent moves and bringing in some of the kids from the minors that are ready, they will have a new look in 2008.
Right now the Braves are just not good enough to be in the playoffs. Unless by some act of God they pick it up soon, they will be finished in early september. At which point, just let the kids/callups play and build toward next season.
What are the chances that Jo Jo Reyes picks up his first ML win on the road at St. Loius tomorrow afternoon? I wouldn’t bet on it, but I hope he can prove me wrong.
By Coach(LEW CANT GET ME OUT OF HIS HEAD , LOL)
August 25, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
Seven back in the division and four back in the wild card. 2007 is going down in flames and I’m not the least bit surprised !!!
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 25, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this
LETS GO METS..LETS GO METS..LETS GO METS..LETS GO METS..LETS GO METS..LETS GO METS!!!!!!!
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
ijonathan,
I do think Diaz should be playing everyday in left.
I’m disagreeing with Steve that Diaz is the Braves’ best hitter. The Braves best hitter is Chipper Jones.
I’m guessing he thinks a high batting average is the only qualification for being a great hitter.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 25, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this
it ain’t over ‘til chino cadahia sings.
By chrisklob
August 25, 2007 11:28 PM | Link to this
We’ve been spoiled with a historically unique baseball franchise for the last 16 years.
Amen, Shaun, Amen. I have a feeling that many of our despondent bloggers are either young fans or relatively (less than 15 or so years) new fans. They don’t understand that you’re not supposed to make the playoffs every year. Either that or they are just very spoiled, unrealistic fans. This team isn’t entitled to win every year. And let’s be realistic, the past couple of years the ownership of this “Discontinued Operations” team wasn’t exactly giving JS et al much to work with from a financial standpoint. For years the Braves enjoyed one of the higher payrolls in baseball. Lately, we’ve been pretty close to the middle of the pack. You know, average. Kind of like the way this team has played most of the season.
Carroll I’ve been wondering for a while whether the loss of Leo Mazzone and Pat Corrales has had any impact on the decisions that BC has made this year. Did BC consult with them before making a move? Does he consult with Roger McDowell and Chino Cadahia? If so, are the decisions that BC ultimately makes based on their advice? Does BC not have as much faith in those decisions? Inquiring minds want to know.
By MrC
August 25, 2007 11:29 PM | Link to this
Please, oh god please, get in the playoffs……..
By Overlord
August 25, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
Shaun How do u like braves chances to make the playoffs…..to your personal opinion. Same question for you ijonathan.
By Todd A
August 25, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this
Hudson and Smoltz, and pray for lightning bolts. Yeah, that’s it.
By Chino Cadahia
August 25, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this
Guantanamerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrra…
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this
Shaun
Agreed, Diaz isn’t the best hitter. However, your response to Steve suggested that you in some way were discounting his argument that Diaz should be in the game (which you weren’t). Even though he isn’t the absolute best hitter on the braves, he is a far better option than the others Cox has been plugging in lately.
By Steve
August 25, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this
Shaun, I should have said hitter with the highest batting average and not best hitter. But that distinction is totally irrelevant to the point I was trying to make about how pathetic it was for Cox to not get an at-bat for Diaz in this game while he made sure to get at-bats for people with a 203 and a 216 average respectively. There were several opportunities for Diaz to have been used in this game, yet he remained on the bench. If there is a dumber between-the-lines manager in the game than Cox, I’d like to know know he is.
By Incognito
August 25, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this
Who will get DFA’d tonight?
Now we understand why Willie Harris has bounced around with several teams in his career. Fast, but can’t steal. Can’t lay down a bunt, and is average on a good day in the field.
It looks like we need to play hard the rest of 2007, and probably prepare for next year.
I would love to see us audition some youngsters the rest of the way, especially if by September 1st, we have not made up any more ground.
Like to see lots of Lillibridge, B. Jones, Blanco, Devine, Ascanio, Acosta, B Hernandez, Ring, Boyer and Smith. Guys like Andruw Jones and the platoon in left, and most of the bullpen should be done for the year. Who do we have that could spell Chipper a little bit?
Also would like to see Thorman gets some more swings with no pressure. I think that young man might have a bright future, if he can learn to cut back on that swing just a little bit.
Go Braves!
By ijonathan
August 25, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this
Overlord
Slim to none for the playoffs, and slim has one foot on the bus out of town. The Braves can’t win enough games on their own to make any other SCANARIOUS (in honor of drooler) matter.
By Chop Chop
August 25, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
Congrats to the Mets on winning the NL East and the Padres on winning the NL Wild Card! Way to go, guys!
(Wouldn’t want to jinx anything, ya know…)
By Todd A
August 25, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
I bet Chino Cadahia could thow ‘Wicky’ under the bus.
By Kentavo
August 25, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this
Sigh. Too bad. The team has talent. It is not utilized correctly. The Wickman situation is a microcosm. Oh well, we’ve got a good base/nucleus for 2008 if we let Andruw walk and invest in starting pitching. Please, God, let Andruw be gone. And maybe Leo will come back. We’ve got to sign some veteran starters and not try to bank on Mike Hampton contributing. In year’s past, we at least had the John Thompson’s and Paul Byrd’s of the world who could at least keep you in a ballgame. Now, if the Braves don’t win with Smoltz and Hudson on the mound, then you can pretty much chalk it up as a loss, unless they get lucky with one of those double digit outbursts. What pitchers will be free agents after the season?
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 11:56 PM | Link to this
Hudson has given up 3,3,3,5 earned runs his last 4 starts.
Need more from Timmy, although the guy has the weight of a whole pitching staff on his shoulders.
By Shaun
August 25, 2007 11:56 PM | Link to this
Overlord,
Chances aren’t good. I think that’s clear. But stranger things have happen. I hope for the best but realize it’s not likely. Still, all in all I’m not as disappointed as some in this season. The Braves have basically been the team I expected them to be. The only question was what would the other NL teams do? Could they finish with a worse record so the Braves could reach the post-season? It looks like enough aren’t going to.
By Efrim
August 25, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this
The Padres pitch well. We don’t. The Mets pitch well. We don’t.
We can’t win…….
By Robert
August 26, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this
“Cox greatly decreased the Braves chances to win the game. And he’s been doing this all frigging year. “
Nah, it just bad luck that got us. (the missed DP opportunity)
Yeah, right.
I can picture the post-game news confererence
Reporter not named DOB - So Bobby, why didnt Matt Diaz and his sparkling batting average get a chance to put a bat in his hands
Bobby Cox - Hee Haw!
Reporter #2 not named DOB - So Bobby, why did you leave Hudson in there to gave up 5 runs in one inning?
Bobby Cox - Hee Haw!
And so on
By STUPIDITY HARD AT WORK
August 26, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this
By Lew
November 23, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Wesley-Why do you think it essential to get Brian Roberts? The way it is looking now, we may not even part with Marcus Giles and even if we do, we have at least three players (Prado, Escobar and Hubbard is working with Kekky Johnson) who could take over who are making around the ML minimum. As far as the bullpen goes, we have Wicky, Paronto (who had a good first season), Yates (who only had ONE ineffective month), Villarreal (who was an excellent long reliever/spot starter), Cormier (also an effective spot starter), who are much better than what was there the beginning of last year. We could resign John Thomson as a set up man (reportedly willing to sign for much less), who has been a good pitcher when not injured. One inning per game should stand him in good stead. All we really need is one more set up guy, who I’m sure JS could manage to pull in with little or no problem. I fail to see where the doom and gloom scenario fits in, either short, or long term for the Braves. Keep in mind that the way things stand at the moment, the Mets pitching staff consisits of El Duque and Jason Maine. I tremble in fear. How about you? The Phillies also have no pitching, unless you count 42 year old Jamie Moyer. The Nats won’t stand a chance and the Marlins are due for a teasm wide sophomore slump. I like the way things are looking. Let the other loonies go out and pay utility players or one year wonders $10+ million per year. It appears we don’t need to.
By Chop Chop
August 26, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this
“Huddy had the worst luck I’ve ever seen of any pitcher in one inning,” manager Bobby Cox said. “The bunt was an excellent bunt. Two broken bats, the high hopper the ball Escobar booted. The only ball hit good was Rolen’s ball over Francoeur’s head. He was on top of his game, it was just unreal that that could happen.”
Waaaaah-waaaaah-waaaaah.
Look. Bobby’s been a very good manager of players for a long, long time and is a Hall of Famer, but none of this is “unreal” and it certainly isn’t the “worst luck” Bobby’s ever seen. If Wick was still on the team and had blown this game, he’s say it was “unreal”, too. The act gets awfully tired.
By Chop Chop
August 26, 2007 12:20 AM | Link to this
he’d*
My act is getting tired as well. Don’t worry. We’ll get ‘em tomorrow! Goodnight…
By Todd A
August 26, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
I’m sure Cox will lobby Braves mgt to resign Andruw, Kentavo. Let’s just hope Bartholomay, MCGuirk, and Schuerholz use common sense in the matter.
By Bob, Journalist
August 26, 2007 12:26 AM | Link to this
Methinks anyone who hasn’t long ago recognized the manifestation of a minor,”nonexistent”, chemical based misunderstanding between the manager and the team’s leading hitter has been following a different team … in Bobby’s defense, Andruw’s smile is bigger than Matt’s.
Out of site and riding the pine … Matt was given his due on both the AJC and Braves’ sites a while back, as if almost on cue … but you’ll notice that the run of that show was short lived and closed without further ado. It almost as if it’s a forbidden topic … but it appears that Andruw is improving … those of us living outside of the SS viewing area are dependent on the rest of you for the real skinny on Andruw’s swing and approach at the plate; hard to tell spin from reality when just listening … that is, please tell us if the Emperor is wearing any clothes?.
That still doesn’t change the fact that we have a 340+ hitter on the bench and could use him in the lineup … those with the slugging mentality will say it doesn’t matter, but a .340+ hitter in the middle of the lineup instead of a .220 slugger, regardless of where he’s put, would greatly increase the team’s offensive consistency.
A private man with a positive spin as big as Andruw’s smile … I’m a Bobby Cox supporter … always have been, always will be … but I think that it would be in his best interest that he undergo an extensive medical examination so as to determine his fitness to continue.
Dollars to KKs that I just got somebody’s attention and woke them up … and the evening’s just starting.
For those who question Bobby’s judgment, it could well be that his judgment is impaired … a lot of his decisions on the surface seem suspect, from the outside looking in … but, if it is, he won’t be the first and I’m sure he wouldn’t be the last … however, I don’t believe that to be the case and anyway, that’s not the concern.
My concern comes not from a “can he do it” perspective … he’s a trooper, a gamer, a proven performer; I believe his mental faculties to be in order and I’m sure he can and will do his best … but rather, it’s from the “potential impact on his health if he so does” perspective … the stress and frustration levels are obviously high … think about frustrated you get and multiply it bt 100 … maybe I’m overreacting, but I want what’s best for him and do think the situation needs to be closely watched … it’s easy to fall into an abyss from which there’s no easy escape … ask Stinky, Robert and Coach.
From a different perspective, it seems to me that he hasn’t been the same Bobby cox since announcing his retirement plans and the change seems to have perceptibly exacerbated with the change in ownership … our family “Coat Of Arms” carries the “In Defiance” inscription and for some reason, it’s of that which I’m now reminded … color me crazy.
Like Harry told Doug when he demanded to be made Emperor of Japan … no, that story’s still classified.
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 12:27 AM | Link to this
Jones is questionable for today’s game after tweaking his right groin in his sixth inning at-bat. He said he felt it again rounding third. He missed one game with a similar injury a month ago in San Francisco.
“It’s never a good time [to miss a game],” Jones said. “Now especially.”
Chipper,
Its why we can’t afford to trade Edgar or Yunel this offseason. You get hurt way too much. Because we can’t trade either of them, we can’t upgrade our pitching staff…..
By Braveheart
August 26, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this
Shaun, I was serious about the comparison to Neyer. The analogy might partially fail because as mere posters we are not under the same pressure that a setup man is because we can blog anonymously (although you don’t).
But I do think DOB & Carroll & Rob Neyer are under the same kind of pressure athletes are. Heavy weighs the crown. Just look at the shots people take at DOB & Carroll 24/7/365 on here.
Look at some of the rather horrific things that are said about Neyer throughout the baseball world, the internet, by fellow jealous sabermetricians, and even by his fellow columnists at ESPN. Look at how the NYC media and fan base lambasted him when he dared to remark about Jeter’s defense. Look at how many love to point out how wrong he was about Jimenez vs. Soriano 6 years ago, which they still bring up to him.
The job is cool but the pressure that comes with the byline can’t be easy.
By Kentavo
August 26, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this
It’s fun (or maddening) to ponder how a manager with some guts like LaRussa or Leyland would do with this Braves team: 1. Drop Andruw to 8th or 9th, and platoon him 2. Not use Woodcrap as a pinch hitter 3. Use the bullpent guys in defined roles 4. Pinch hit for Andruw in crucial situations so he can’t strike out or hit into dp to end the game
Even with all of the injury trouble the Braves have had this season, they still should be either very close to or ahead of the Mets.
Despite Andruw’s dismal season and the lack of 4-5 starting spots, with a little bit of innovation from Cox, we’d be very much alive.
His substitutions, pinch hitting patterns and misuse of bullpen is maddening.
The loss of Gonzolez has hurt bigtime, but has hurt just as much is Cox’s inexplicable use of already overworked guys in blowouts and such. Moylon and Yates’ arms are gonna fall off and Cox’s strategy of “getting some work” for Soriano in blowout games backfired.
Hey, can’t wait for September, that’s when we’ll make a run, with Julio back and some youthful energy from Brandon Jones, Lillibridge, Boyer. Oh wait, they’ll probably call up Paronto and Orr. Nevermind.
By Todd A
August 26, 2007 12:39 AM | Link to this
Chop Chop, after ‘Wicky’ threw 43 pitches, loaded the bases, and gave up a run in the 9th inning of a game at home last week, Cox had the audacity to say he pitched great. Less than a week later, Wickman is out of here. Then he says afterward, “I wanted to try something different.” The AJC should never quote the man. Ever. What comes out of his mouth is totally irrelevant.
By Lew
August 26, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this
Coach-How long are you going to post things I said in the offseason nine months ago? You’ve already proven yourself to be a consummate @$$. How much more proof do you think we really need? I just love that I’ve become a paranthetical addition to your totally unwarranted blog handle. Apparently you can’t get me off of your mind. I’ll tell you what. Nine months from now why don’t you post this prediction from me? I guarantee you will be every bit the jerk off then that you are now. Absolutely, positively guarantee it. Quote me on it. Coach? Yeah, right. What a joke.
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this
Supes
They have more pitching than us. They have a lot more starting pitching. So with that said, I would have to say that they are set.
I truthfully believe that we won’t trade Renteria or Escobar. Reason being is because our best player only plays 130 games a year, at most. We need to keep them both.
I think the Braves will go with Smoltz, Hudson, “third starter”, James and Hampton. But don’t expect the #3 to be anything special. We simply don’t have the prospects or the money to fill that role with someone better than Oliver Perez/John Maine, who is the Mets “third starter”.
Thats just my opinion.
By Double Deuce
August 26, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this
Somebody explain to me how it’s Bobby Cox’s fault for putting a lineup out there that gets 27 guys on base and only bringing in 4. Cox doesn’t play the game, he puts the guys on the field. The only thing you could fault him for is for keeping Matt Diaz on the bench, and I don’t get that one. The rest is up to the players and its a shame and a disgrace to strand 23 runners in a game you need to win and lose by one. I don’t always agree with nor understand Bobby’s moves, but this one wasn’t his doing.
By mr baseball
August 26, 2007 12:47 AM | Link to this
I think we’ll know by late Tuesday night if the Braves have any kind of chance to make the playoffs. Any possibility of overtaking the Padres (forget about the Mets) hinges on the 3-4-5 starters doing the unthinkable: pitching well enough to give the statistically impressive but clutch impaired offense a chance to win.
If the Braves lose 2 of the next 3, or more likely considering recent results, lose all 3, that’s it. The Padres are 12 games over .500. The Braves haven’t been 12 over since their 24-12 start, and have been treading water ever since. If any of you have seen something that gives you hope, I’d like to know what it is. This team appears almost completely incapable of winning a close game. Unless they bash the other team into submission or get a strong effort from Smoltz or Hudson, it’s an L.
To those who think we should be thankful for the 14 years of division titles (and pathetic playoff results after the ‘95 Series), we are. But when you look at this year’s team and compare it to the other playoff contenders, there is no reason they shouldn’t be right there with the Padres, if not the Mets.
The Braves are going to miss out on the playoffs for the second straight season mainly because the GM didn’t make much of an effort to replace Hampton after he went down. The difference between the Braves being even or ahead of the Padres and possibly the Mets is the team’s pitiful record in games started by the likes of Redman, Lerew, Cormier & Reyes.
Had our allegedly genius GM gone out and gotten an adequate veteran who wasn’t preparing for the season in his basement, things might have turned out a lot different. But since he lost the luxury of an unlimited budget a little over a decade ago, Schuerholz has not been quite as shrewd a wheeler-dealer as he was when cash-strapped teams dropped guys like McGriff & Grissom in our laps.
In addition to his much discussed problems with game strategy, Cox has also fallen short in the motivational department the past few seasons. His even keel approach worked wonderfully when he had superior talent to everybody else. But with a suspect pitching staff and an offense that takes a seat when it’s time to stand up, it’s not as easy to coax enough wins out of the available talent to keep playing in October.
I keep hearing Don Meredith humming this catchy but sad tune, and it’s getting louder every day.
By The Big Liebowski
August 26, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
Bloggers do not be surprised if the 2008 version of the Atlanta Braves ends up with the same fate as this 2007 squad. It’s all about quality starting pitching , the 2007 Braves don’t have enough and the 2008 team probably won’t have nearly enough either.
By Lew
August 26, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
Hey Coach-What’s your solution now? Bring back Huddy in three more days since he only went 5 today? Maybe bring Smoltz back tomorrow? Maybe you could go ahead and bring up the Richmond coaching staff to teach Harris how to bunt or how to get runners in from third?
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 12:56 AM | Link to this
Lew
What are your thoughts on this team? You’re a positive guy. I just want to see what you think about this team. I truly have never seen a more under achieving ball club.
By BravesDave
August 26, 2007 1:02 AM | Link to this
The worst part about the Willie Harris vs. Matt Diaz situation is that Willie will be starting again tomorrow. He went 0 for 5 tonight, and again failed to get down a bunt in a big situation. Whereas Matt Diaz sat on the bench again in a close game. An all-too-familiar spot for Diaz lately. He has started only 3 games over the last two weeks. Even with the limited playing time, he still hit .348 over the last two weeks, while Willie, with significantly more playing time, hit .195 (now .173 after tonight). But a righty is on the mound tomorrow. Maybe Matt can pinch hit when we are trailing 7-0 after another JoJo Reyes barnburner.
By the way, for anyone who was defending Escobar because he was blocked by the runner, give me a break, OK?? That was a garbage play, and the biggest play of the game. The grounder was absolutely routine. Even the Cards announcers said that Escobar made a very poor effort on the ball. Infielders are blocked by runners all the time. It is no excuse.
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 1:02 AM | Link to this
Mr Baseball
Well said. Best post I have ever read regarding the Braves state.
By Chop Chop as "Tom Emanski"
August 26, 2007 1:02 AM | Link to this
Coach, your mission is to teach Willie how to bunt. If you succeed, I will send you a free, electronically-autographed certificate of achievement (only $5.99 S&H) as a keepsake. You will be the envy of the MIB/Braves blog with this certificate, Coach. Remember, that’s only $5.99 with S&H. I wish you luck on your mission and look forward to receiving $5.99 from you.
By BravesDave
August 26, 2007 1:18 AM | Link to this
mr baseball, your 12:47am post sums things up beautifully. I could not have said it better myself…and I have been saying a lot of the same for the past few weeks. You are correct, the Braves have not been 12 games over .500 since the 24-12 start. Look at their record since then…43-51. That spells less than mediocre to me. This team plays terribly is pressure situations. Their defense suffers, their offense stalls, and their pitching collapses. They are 15-20 in 1-run games. 4-8 in extra inning games. They have been shutout 9 times, which is amazing considering the offensive talent on the team.
8 games back of the Mets in the loss column, 5 games back of the Padres in the loss column. Only 32 games left. JoJo Reyes on the mound tomorrow. One the verge of losing another series to a sub-.500 team.
By Ron
August 26, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this
Efrim Dude WE have to trade Renteria!!! If we even have a Chance next year, Renteria is the key!!! Maybe we can trade him to the A’s or White Sox or some team like that and get a #3 Starter for him!!! The ONLY descent SS on the free agent market this year is Eckstein!!! The A’s SS sucks, the White Sox SS sucks, and BOTH are gonna try to win next year!!! And Other teams will get in on the bidding as well!!! Dude believe me next year depends on what we get for Renteria!!! We get a GOOD starter for him, we are in business, we dont we will suck again!!! I understand what you mean about having Renteria, because of Chippers health, but we CAN have Lillibridge be the SUPER utility player NEXT year!!! We have to get a GOOD starter next year for Renteria!!! Joe Blanton of the A’s, or Vasques of the White Sox would be Great!!! But believe me there will be OTHER teams out there to try to get him also, so I think we can get a VERY good pitcher for him!!! JS just has to play his cards right!!!
By N8
August 26, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this
Other than being pizzed that my favorite team is on the fast track to nowhere, I am getting a little satisfaction in being right (for the moment).
I’ve been saying for MONTHS that we would NOT catch the Mets and that the wildcard would come out of the NL West.
Hmmmm.
Anybody else find it incredibly ironic that we can’t find any starting pitching after Smoltz and Hudson to save our azz, yet Maddux and Glavine are both on their way to the Post-season…AGAIN, while filling roles that would be of considerable help to us? Not to mention that Marquis isn’t exactly sucking either (10-7 with a 4.12 ERA) for the Cubs.
Not sure whether to laugh about that, or drop some F-Bombs at the top of my lungs.
If anybody cares……I chose to laugh about it.
Oh well. When Mike Hampton comes back next year LOOK OUT!! THEN when Gonzo makes his return, we’re gonna dominate!
I mean SERIOUSLY, that’s like adding 2 TOP NOTCH free agents. Only the funny thing is, is that we’re already paying for them, so it won’t cost us anything EXTRA!
Ain’t that neat?
By Ron
August 26, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this
Efrim Dude WE have to trade Renteria!!! If we even have a Chance next year, Renteria is the key!!! Maybe we can trade him to the A’s or White Sox or some team like that and get a #3 Starter for him!!! The ONLY descent SS on the free agent market this year is Eckstein!!! The A’s SS sucks, the White Sox SS sucks, and BOTH are gonna try to win next year!!! And Other teams will get in on the bidding as well!!! Dude believe me next year depends on what we get for Renteria!!! We get a GOOD starter for him, we are in business, we dont we will suck again!!! I understand what you mean about having Renteria, because of Chippers health, but we CAN have Lillibridge be the SUPER utility player NEXT year!!! We have to get a GOOD starter next year for Renteria!!! Joe Blanton of the A’s, or Vasques of the White Sox would be Great!!! But believe me there will be OTHER teams out there to try to get him also, so I think we can get a VERY good pitcher for him!!! JS just has to play his cards right!!!
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 1:33 AM | Link to this
BRAVE-DAVE
i think we are being forced to watch WEEKEND AT BERNIES, every single night. it is bizzare, you can just feel that painful obvious ending coming every night.
this game turned in the 4th up 3-0 nobody out 1st and 3rd, and we dont add on. willy or is it gary coleman ” WHAT YOU TALKIN ABOUT WILLIS” is played out. he and B MAC left about 8 runners out there tonight. for whatever reason we spit the bit in tight games.
as for the defense esco should of made a play and francouer sure has trouble going back on a ball. every night it is just a different reason why we loose GROUND HOG DAY.
as for the GWINETT COUNTY ALL STARS pretty forgettable. FRANCOUER is back to being pull happy just got a feeling he is headed for .280. name me one big hit this guy has gotten late in a close game. hey for all of you that want to blame ANDRUW you are wrong.
this guy plays hard every night, i know this has not been a great season for him, but he lays it out there every night. gotta respect the words he said about WICKMAN. andruw loves the uniform on his back. gotta believe next year we are all gonna b*** when a ball gets hit to center and say ” ANDRUW WOULD OF GOT THAT.”
so much for my prediction that we are about to go on a run. different day and same old outcome. the so called intangibles just dont jive with this team.
By N8
August 26, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this
BravesDave
Agree with you post pretty much. But this next line while true, has a flaw.
“One the verge of losing another series to a sub-.500 team.”
They have a better record than us since May 1st. So I’m not so sure it’s that BIG of a surprise to get our azzes handed to us by them, with one of our Aces on the bump.
Painful? Yes.
Shocking? With this team? Are you kidding me?
Here’s the problem. All the homers look at the schedule and see “easy” victories against alleged lesser teams. Funny thing is, the homers for the “lesser teams” are saying the EXACT same thing about the Braves, when they see that their team has them coming up on the schedule.
Most here, are just too blind, and diluted to see that. They still think we’re good. Then you’re gonna get guys that say things like:
“Dang, this was our year, too. We had 2 Aces lined up and a great lineup (that feeds on sh!tty pitchers - and struggles against the rest), primed to make a run at the WS, “IF” we got in.
Too bad that the other 100 or so games that Smoltz and Hudson don’t start each year, count in the standings too.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. This season ended on 3 instances:
1) Mike Hampton going down for the year, before ever pitching an inning.
2) Mike Gonzalez going down for the year, after showing signs of domination for a month or so.
3) Andruw deciding that he’s “not paid to hit singles”.
3a) Bobby insisting on keeping Andruw in the middle of the order for over half the season.
Those three things NOT happening change EVERYTHING for this team.
Period.
By fastasballs
August 26, 2007 1:47 AM | Link to this
It’s absolutely maddening to watch this team lose game after game because of lack of execution of basic fundamentals & Cox’s decisions.
Other teams don’t allow the same player to fail in the same situation time & time again. It’s insane to have Willie attempt a sacrifice bunt with 2 on & none out. In that situation the odds of him hitting into a DP are small & since he’s failed at bunting runners over, either let him swing or get him out of there. He also botched a 1st & 3rd no out earlier in the game by popping up the first pitch he saw.
I’ll never understand the use of the bench or bullpen by Cox. Thorman, at this point has no business picking up a bat unless he’s the last option in an extra inning game & I’d still use Hudson, Smoltz & Jo Jo ahead of him.
Bobby hasn’t made a move that’s forced the other manager’s hand in months. I can’t stand LaRussa, but he runs circles around Cox.
Cox simple fails to adjust as the game goes on. Want to know why the Braves never score after the 4th or 5th inning when a righty starts against them? A lefty or lefties are always brought into the game thus neutralizing the once potent 1-5 spots in the order. Willie has a horrible average against lefties & KJ’s is considerable weaker as well. That turns Chipper & Tex around to their weaker side & McCann, another lefty, is right behind if they want to work around Tex.
If 50% of this blogs knows how Cox is going to manage, then you can bet 100% of the opposing managers know what’s coming because it’s always the same style if not a carbon copy of the prior game.
By GermanBravesFan
August 26, 2007 1:48 AM | Link to this
How many days until Spring Training???
By Double Deuce
August 26, 2007 1:49 AM | Link to this
Mr. Baseball Great post as to the current state of the Braves. I remember early in the season when it became apparent that Davies wasn’t going to get it done, Lerew went down, and Redman failed so badly, there seemed no urgency to find another starter because our revamped bullpen could handle everything from the 6th on and we had other arms in the minors we were going to try. Well, that’s worked out rather well hasn’t it? Those minor league arms we were waiting for has taxed our bullpen heavily for the second half of the season. I think they have been great considering all that was asked of them.
This team has enough offense to play with anyone when given adequate pitching. I just think we have too much young talent to be consistent enough to win regularly when giving up six or seven runs a game. Buddy’s botched play at second in Thursday’s game and Escobar’s error today are prime examples of youth and inexperience costing us games we can’t afford to give away. Win those two games and we are talking different scenarios here.
All that aside, I still believe we have a chance at the wildcard. To leave it on the shoulders of Jojo, Buddy and Lance is an iffy proposition at best, but stranger things have happened in baseball and until we are mathematically eliminated I still have hope.
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 1:49 AM | Link to this
I feel bad for them. I really do.
By BravesDave
August 26, 2007 1:51 AM | Link to this
N8, typically great points about Maddux and Glavine. I mentioned the Maddux point months ago, that it would sure be nice to have him in our rotation considering his salary with the Padres. I actually thought that instead of fiddling around and playing games with Glavine, who Schuerholz knew had a fixed time limit with getting back to the Mets on his decision, why not focus on Maddux, who still won 15 games last season.
Ridiculous oversight on Schuerholz’s part. Ridiculous to think that Mike Hampton could be relied upon. Ridiculous to do nothing to replace him adequately after the injury.
This team cannot rely on either Hampton or Gonzalez next season. I am of the opinion that Mike Gonzalez will probably not throw a pitch for the Braves next season. Also, nice to see that Dotel has no idea when he will be able to come back this season. Plus, he is a free agent in the offseason (with some type of option). Can we please stop taking risks on pitchers with past arm issues?
By Ron
August 26, 2007 1:59 AM | Link to this
N8 Yeah, you remember when ALL the folks on this blog that argued with me and others about how Gonzalez would NOT be that big of a loss!!! I said it would be a HUGE loss and said it will tax our bullpen in the future!!! And homers like DOB and OTHERS said we STILL have a GREAT bullpen!!! Anyway, where are those SO CALLED homers at now!!! Thats what makes me sick about these damn homers, is they will argue with you day in and day out about you dont know what you are talking about, and THEN when they are proved wrong they say, well I said that MONTHS ago, why bring it up now!!! When those people Argued with us and said we are DEAD wrong!!! Thats what makes me dislike some of the homers!!! You agree?
By Bob, Journalist
August 26, 2007 1:59 AM | Link to this
Shaun
I didn’t have a chance to closely examine your site but the Home Page did you proud!
However, I don’t agree with your response to William Wallace regarding pressure on relief pitchers … I agree in concept but the self imposed pressure because of the increased focus on the outcome and the notion that it’s your job to seal the deal … shouldn’t but does have a significant impact … some rise to a higher level and excel as a result while others simply crumble.
I personally dislike such designations as Closer and Setup as I figure there are two kinds of relievers … those who can consistently effect damage control and those best suited for coming in at the start of an inning.
I suppose that I hold the minority view in thinking that the closer’s statistics are the most ridiculous in all of baseball … imagine applauding the efforts of a pitcher because he gave up only one or teo runs in an inning … anyone else so doing and you’d have his head!
I think that Tim is now 95-2 or something like that when given a 3 run lead
No, the fireman who limits or contains the damage is the one who deserves the big bucks … yet there are some who let every inherited runner score while maintaining a 0.00 ERA who can’t take the pressure but can take home bigger paychecks.
I know I’m old with a negative baseball IQ … but to me, most relievers are wannabe starters that couldn’t or haven’t yet made the grade … there shouldn’t be any difference in the pressure level when you’re starting the inning that’s based on the inning itself … but there is, or so methinks.
I once had a trusted employee, and friend of many years who received our inventory, maintained our warehouse and had other general custodial duties; always doing a fine job.
I gave him a title, promoting him to “Facilities Manager” with a slight increase in pay but no change in duties … he was out sick for a week before his brother came in to give me his handwritten letter of resignation.
He said he appreciated the promotion but he just couldn’t handle the increased pressure … I tried to explain but to no avail … he came back, sans title and refused the pay increase.
Methinks perception is much more powerful than reality!
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 2:01 AM | Link to this
MR. BASEBALL
i agree JS. looked great in the 90’s pretty hard to srew up when you got a hall of fame staff, and a huge payroll. that being said, we just are not developing prime time pitching prospects anymore.
the trade that really bothers me is the j.d. drew trade. we gave up three quality arms for a right fielder, who granted had a very good year, that we knew was a rental. ADAM WAIGNRIGHT was that bridge between our aging pitching staff and the collective bunch of crap we now have. we will all see that tommorow.
this ovtavio dotel trade bothers me more though. as much as DAVIES looked like crap he still has a major league arm, note the strikeouts when on rare ocassions he was on. the guy should of been left in the minors for the rest of the year to incubate. he might of failed no doubt, but DOTEL aint gonna pitch again for the braves.
METHINKS JS sees his retirement coming, pretty obvious to most of us, just going for it at all costs. SHANE COME BACK OH I MEAN DAYTON MOORE. THAT MIGHT BE THE GUY WE ARE GONNA MISS THE MOST
By BravesDave
August 26, 2007 2:03 AM | Link to this
N8, just pointing out that the Cards are still under .500. I actually listed them in a post a few days ago as a team that has played better than the Braves over a long stretch this season. Along with the Nationals. But, I still have to point out that they are sub-.500. And I completely agree with you about people looking at the schedule and thinking that the Braves should beat teams like the Reds, Cards, Marlins, Giants. We know that they should beat those teams, but they just cannot do it since the 24-12 start (right around the time Mike Gonzalez went down). Simply put, this team finds ways to lose. Bobby says he want to “try something different” with the Wickman situation, but yet he won’t try something different when Andruw Jones or Willie Harris are struggling. Plus, he continues to run JoJo Reyes out there for some reason. Bring someone else up from the minors. Sign Wells.
Whatever. I get ripped for saying the season is over. It is over.
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 2:18 AM | Link to this
WELL one other reason i like to stay up late, drink beer and moan about the braves
last week while bloging and flipping the channels, i learned on a infomercial HOW TO BUY FIVE HOUSES WITH NO MONEY DOWN.
tonight i got to watch CHRISTY BRINKLEY teach me how to use the total gym. BILLY JOEL, MAN YOU MESSED UP.
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 2:18 AM | Link to this
WELL one other reason i like to stay up late, drink beer and moan about the braves
last week while bloging and flipping the channels, i learned on a infomercial HOW TO BUY FIVE HOUSES WITH NO MONEY DOWN.
tonight i got to watch CHRISTY BRINKLEY teach me how to use the total gym. BILLY JOEL, MAN YOU MESSED UP.
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 2:19 AM | Link to this
WELL one other reason i like to stay up late, drink beer and moan about the braves
last week while bloging and flipping the channels, i learned on a infomercial HOW TO BUY FIVE HOUSES WITH NO MONEY DOWN.
tonight i got to watch CHRISTY BRINKLEY teach me how to use the total gym. BILLY JOEL, MAN YOU MESSED UP.
By BravesDave
August 26, 2007 2:28 AM | Link to this
uga, man, if you aren’t correct about that JD Drew trade. Granted, it has been discussed over and over and over again on this blog, but it really was one of the worst trades in this team’s history. The Marquis/Justice trade was a complete disaster, another terrible deal that probably cost this team a championship along the line, but the Drew deal takes the cake. We gave up the only real pitching prospects that this team has developed in the past 5 years (I don’t consider Chuck James “developed” until he comes up with a third pitch) and traded them for a guy that everyone knew the Braves were not going to resign. Marquis, regardless of his ERA, has won 52 games in 3 1/2 season since he was traded, and Wainwright has already proven that he can close or start and do both with an ERA under 4.00 (and perform under pressure in the postseason). He never even got a chance in Atlanta with the big club. What a disaster.
By Saltywoody
August 26, 2007 2:30 AM | Link to this
N8 Totally agree with your 1:37 post. Couldn’t have said it better. In fact, as I’ve watched these Braves fall further and further back despite a pretty amazing offense, I just keep wondering “WHAT IF” in regards to Hampton and Gonzalez.
If we have Gonzalez, we have no bullpen issues this year. He picks up Soriano’s slack and steps in seamlessly when Soriano struggles for those few weeks. Wickman gets whatever nights off he wants because you can put Gonzo in his place, and maybe stays healthy and happy, instead of becoming as cancerous as everyone’s saying he was becoming. And if Wickman cops an attitude, you don’t even hesitate to get rid of him…because you have Gonzo, who was 24 of 24 last year in saves, to step in.
On the flip side, if you have Hampton in the 3rd spot in the rotation? Chuck James is your #4 starter, which keeps him from crumbling under the pressure as he has recently. Huddie and Smoltz don’t feel near as much pressure to keep the team afloat. Davies gets to learn in the 5th spot of the rotation instead of being thrown into the fire, getting lit up, and then traded (for Dotel, whose arm has been broken for years now). JoJo/Cormier/Buddy compete for the 5th spot if Davies fails, instead of rounding out our rotation after Huddie and Smoltz.
And if AJ is hitting like we thought he would? We win at least 5 to 10 more games instead of having him end the games on double plays and such. He also stabilizes the offense and protects Chipper, as Tex is doing now.
I mean, can you imagine a lineup with Chipper, Tex, and Andruw all going well? That would be amazing…and impossible, apparently.
PROPOSED ANSWERS? 1. Get Willie out of the leadoff spot. He’s not Jose Reyes. He’s the poor man’s Kenny Lofton. He hasn’t hit in months. Leave him on the bench for speed and pinch hits in the late innings. 2. PLAY DIAZ. Don’t know why he sits as much as he does, including in pinch-hitting situations where for some unknown reason Thorman and Woody come in instead. Diaz has earned the right to play and his bat is too good to sit him. It’s getting ridiculous. 3. Put someone in the closer’s role and leave them there. Pitching Wickman erratically, not giving the job to Soriano, using Villareal/Moylan/Yates interchangeably…it throws off all the dynamics. You’d think we would have learned from last year’s mess. 4. PUT KJ BACK IN THE LEADOFF SPOT. We were outstanding at the begninng of the year with him there and not so good afterwards…get him back in there. He’s our best leadoff option. 5. Outside of Smoltz and Huddie, GET A WHOLE NEW PITCHING STAFF. This JoJo/Cormier/Buddy/James disaster is keeping me up at night. What in the name of tarnation are we DOING?!?!?!?!?!?! I can’t believe the rest of our team is so outstanding and we’re relying on that mess of washups/flukes to sustain our 3-5 spots in the rotation.
THE MOST INFURIATING THING?!? The teams ahead of us in the races AREN’T that good. The Padres are flawed…their offense is nothing special and their pitching is hurting right now with the loss of Young. The Muts are ridiculous- an old and underproducing Delgado, a rotation that ought to be as bad if not worse than ours, and a Schoenweiss/Sele combo in the bullpen?
I mean, how the hell aren’t we keeping up with/beating these teams?
It’s preposterous.
Somebody please kick these guys in the collective A$$, please. It’s killing me.
By mr baseball
August 26, 2007 2:35 AM | Link to this
Efrim, BravesDave & Double Deuce:
Thanks for the kind words, guys. I appreciate it. Hopefully I can come up with something equally insightful in a few weeks analyzing how the Braves managed to get back in the playoff hunt.
Decided to take a look back at the season to see if the Braves really have been that bad in pulling out close games. One reason the team got off to the 24-12 start is that they were 12-4 in games that were decided late/could have gone either way (strictly personal methodology used). Since the 12-4 start, I have them at 13-23 in those games, 3-12 over the last 40 games or so. Under .500 for the season (25-27). May speculate as to why after some sleep.
Nice to have this blog as an outlet for observations, opinions, rants & odd facts you come across, as opposed to having to subject your son to unsolicited commentary from dad.
By Braveheart
August 26, 2007 2:47 AM | Link to this
Mr. Baseball, thanks for the kudos earlier. I know how hard it is to get kudos from you. So thanks. Always like your thoughtful posts even if I don’t always agree.
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 3:02 AM | Link to this
BLAMING BOBBY FOR this is trite . i said early in the season when HAMP went down, we were in trouble.
the worst possible thing then happened. both DAVIES and CORMIER had great springs, which just masked the necessity to go out and get an inning eater. not saying TRASCHEL would of been the difference but the human rain delay mostly goes deep in games. there is no way bobby could of prepared for the hampton problem. if there is blame it is JS fault.
as for the thing the braves call a bench. I actually thought craig wilson was a good pickup, not. but woodward did not quite get that. as for pete orr, oh well seems like a great guy but. BRAVE-DAVE has been opining about MARLON ANDERSON, i agree ask the dodgers how he played for them down the stretch last year.
WELL heres the bright spot, aol/time warner inherited this team and had no interest in it. for them it was a non core asset. LIBERTY MEDIA and JOHN MALONE, while this was a 1031 or a tax swap for them, understands the approach of spending money to dress this asset up. granted they must hold the braves for around three years, MALONE does not take losses. there is no way that LIBERTY MEDIA is not going to pump some money into this franchise.
THIS CORPORATE ownership is totally different from the AOL/TIME WARNER debacle. think about this AOL actually pulled off one of the biggest coups in business history. STEVE CASE stole time warner for what is now basically worthless AOL STOCK.
TED NEVER SAW THIS COMING WHEN TWX BOUGHT cnn and all of his media outlets. STEVE CASE CONVINCED THE BOARD OF TIME WARNER THAT THEY NEEDED A INTERNET PORTAL AND THE LEVINES BOUGHT. well all this leads me to believe that LIBERTY WILL AT LEAST EXPAND THE PAYROLL TO a point that makes it profitable for them.
By Ron
August 26, 2007 3:05 AM | Link to this
I really did not see WHY we had to give up 3 pitchers for a RF that NEVER stayed healthy for and ENTIRE season!!! I did not mind trading Marquis, and King, but I was P!ssed when we traded Wainwright!!! No reason we should have put him in the deal, other prospects but NOT him!!! I know Marquis is doing pretty good now, but he sucked for the Cardinals, and would have sucked here!!! And he DID suck here!!! Wainwright was a mistake when they traded him!!! But at least Drew did help us win a division!!! But we are paying for that NOW!!! JS wanted us to win ANOTHER division and said the HELL with the Future!!! And that is what he did in the Tex deal!!! There was NO reason why we should have traded Salty for Tex!!! I said it then and I will say it now, We will have NOTHING to show for that trade AFTER 2008!!! Both players that we traded for will be gone!!! If JS is smart he will try his hardest and resign Tex in the offseason!!! He has to, no way we can let him get into free agency!!! I know his agent is Bora$$ but we gotta resign him THIS offseason or Kiss him goodbye!!! NOW that Mr. Baseball WILL be the WORST trade JS has EVER made IF we dont get Tex resigned OR at least win the World Series!!! In the offseason we could have gotten 2 GOOD pitchers!!! ONE for Renteria and ONE for the SAME package that we traded to the Rangers!!! JS will regret that trade!!! NO reason why we could NOT have gotten a GOOD pitcher for the Salty deal!!! No reason what so ever!!! We would have a replacement for when Smoltz retires AND a guy that would help us next year also!!!
By BravesDave
August 26, 2007 3:32 AM | Link to this
Saltywoody, I think it is too late for a kick in @ss to be effective with this team. Unfortunately, things seem to be falling apart at the wrong time. As I said earlier, the 2006 Jeff Francoeur seems to have reappeared for the stretch run. He is back to trying to pull everything and is hitting around .200 over the last 13 important games. Willie Harris is falling apart at the seems. Can’t play with fundamentals, can’t hit right now (.173 over the last two weeks - under .270 over the past month). Even Moylan has given up 5 runs in his last 11 appearances. The defense is playing poorly…bad play by Escobar tonight and I also thought Francoeur did a poor job going back on Rolen’s double.
Very disappointing all around.
mr baseball, another good post on the close game situation with this team. I mentioned it briefly in another post. They just cannot win close games. Too many bullpens have shut them down over 4-5 inning stretches this season…especially lately. It is scary how the Braves can rake a poor starter, then go to sleep against a bullpen for an extended period.
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 3:42 AM | Link to this
individually pretty good collectively not so much. weird year. maybe the braves should become communists. this is it for me, two more weeks than i am out. too bad this is about to become the best time of year for true sports fans.
nothing better then a late sept. pennant race and some good college football. then you get great college football and a great MLB POSTSEASON.
anyone remember that oct. friday afternoon when the braves beat the astros in extra innings. series tied 1-1, after MILLWOOD JUST THREW A ONE HITTER TO EVEN THE SERIES, bases loaded nobody out ROCKER COMES IN ground ball to short weiss makes A GREAT PLAY OUT AT HOME. rocker finishes out the inning, then BRIAN JORDAN HITS A THREE RUN DOUBLE OVER THE BAG AT FIRST. man what a great oct. day that was.
finished off houston the next day. went on to win three in a row over the METS, BEFORE ANOTHER TAKE YOUR BREATH AWAY EXTRA INNING WIN OVER BOBBY V AND THE METS. SEEMS LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY.
By Robert
August 26, 2007 3:53 AM | Link to this
“For those who question Bobby’s judgment, it could well be that his judgment is impaired”
If his judgement is impaired, he needs to go. Period. No defending it (because someone likes him), no continuing it (because some other team once had am impaired manager).
An impaired manager costs his team games
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 4:00 AM | Link to this
brave-dave
said it two nights ago about MR. PARVIEW, pull happy again. he could go either way. the guys fundamentals are really lousy. certain guys when they come up, you say wow, STAR.
he still may become one, but that i want to be the hero approach every night, has got to change.
By Double Deuce
August 26, 2007 4:00 AM | Link to this
++Salty/Woody++
I’m totally with you on the KJ at leadoff deal. I understand why we used Willie at leadoff but it turns out that some stats don’t lie and Willie is starting to play to his stat line. Besides, he hits too many flyballs and swings at too many bad pitches to be a leadoff guy. He had the bases loaded today and swung(?) at four straight ball fours. Not good. He was good for a while, but time to make a change. I also don’t understand why Matt Diaz isn’t playing every day. We’re at a point in the season where every at bat counts and we can’t afford a .347 hitter on the bench.
I have to differ a little on the Gonzo deal. Gonzo was damaged goods when he arrived, but even if he wasn’t I believe that the amount of work the bullpen has been asked to do would have taken its toll on him also. Look at the guys in the pen. Soriano was overused and paid the price, Yates was abused and paid the price, Paronto went on the DL, Wicky was on the DL, and Moylan is starting to pay the price also. Villareal was left to figure what his role was supposed to be, and now Dotel is down also, although I can’t figure that one out since he only had 24 appearances when he arrived. The point is, our starting pitching has been so bad after Huddy, Smoltz and James anyone in that pen that could lift their arm was in the game. I think Gonzo would have been awesome while healthy, but that’s not an operative word for the Braves’ pen.
Just curious, were you guys at the Dodgers and Padres games with your jerseys on during the July West Coast trip?
By Robert
August 26, 2007 4:01 AM | Link to this
“What comes out of his mouth is totally irrelevant”
What comes out of his mouth is total nonsense.
Matter of fact, everything generated between those long donkey ears is total nonsense
Anyone who thinks that Bobby Cox is deserving of being enshrined in the HOF either has been totally blinded by the old boys club propaganda machine, or is just flat out a stupid mofo
By uga-brave
August 26, 2007 4:20 AM | Link to this
HEY ROBERT,
please for the sake of what sanity you still have left please give it up. this aint bobbys fault. i know your hatred for BOBBY has no bounds, but there is no way for ANY manager to make chicken salad out of chicken sh…..
no way anyone could juggle this plethora of crap. CMON tell me if you thougt reyes, cormier, and carlyle would be the back end of the rotation. just gotta believe we are exactly where we should be. hard to be consistent when we have no idea what we are going to get 3 out of five games every night.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 26, 2007 4:27 AM | Link to this
uga-
I was in college the first two years the Braves went to the WS. I remember the day when the Braves won, John Smoltz got a ride from Greg Olson, and the Dodgers fell later that day in San Fran… And who can forget Francisco Cabrera! I’ll admit, I turned the TV off and settled for the radio becasue I thought that game was lost!! That still gives me goosebumps…
I also loved the Braves beating out the Giants (both won over 100 games in the regular season). Ironically, the Braves are probably responsible for brining about the wild card, and they will have to depend on it this year.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 26, 2007 4:34 AM | Link to this
More fond memories…
Braves winning Games 3,4 of ‘91 series on last at-bat. Both were bang-bang plays at the plate!
By BravesDave
August 26, 2007 5:03 AM | Link to this
A lot of fond memories since 1991, and a lot of painful ones, too. I still have nightmares about the Krby Puckett homer, the Lonnie Smith baserunning blunder, the Bream first-to-home-to-first double play in the scoreless game 7 with Smoltz on the mound, Jeff Reardon, losing to that scum Dykstra, Leyritz, Livan Hernandez, being swept by the Yanks with guys like Keith Lockhart populating the team…….man, the nightmares go on and on. Granted, having a rooting interest in playoff baseball for 14 out of the past 15 seasons has been wonderful, but there was a lot of pain involved.
By The Big Liebowski
August 26, 2007 5:03 AM | Link to this
I cannot wait for David O’Brien to explain to us how this team is still going to win the N.L. east. In the words of Marvin Tikvah , a.k.a. MAD TV : COME ON !
By Bob, Journalist
August 26, 2007 5:33 AM | Link to this
Double Deuce I’m confused by your 12:46 … the new math is over my head … would you please explain to me how the team got 4 walks, 12 hits, and one evidently reached on an error … got 27 guys on base … looks like 17 to me … and stranding 23 runners in 9 innings? It’s indeed unfortunate if that’s what they did but, how eould it be a disgrace if they were doing their best?
I know you think I’m jerking your chain … but I’m not … I truly don’t understand.
My limited view, simply stated, is that the Field Manager’s span of control should allow him to surround himself with qualified assistants so as to enable him to get the most out of his players relative to their capabilities … and to assure that they function at an optimal level as a team.
If that is being done, neither the players nor field management should be faulted, regardless of wins and losses … for the players are performing to the best of their capabilities and management is providing proper leadership, guidance and direction.
If it isn’t, accountability lies with the manager … for it is the manager who decides who is on the team and who isn’t, who plays and who doesn’t … who coaches and who doesn’t … the decisions are his … he carries the stick and it’s his job to use it wisely.
He can’t hit, catch or pitch … but it’s his game plan, his decisions, and his vision … he’s the man!
Were they to lose every game, and all the players played poorly, he would still be the man!
This obviously doesn’t apply at the individual game level … but we play 162 games … not one, not 161, but 162. It doubtful that blame as such should be directed at anyone … unless it’s at ourselves, but if it is to be placed … it should be in the direction of the manager.
If his hands are tied so that he doesn’t have the necessary control and resources so as to have reasonable expectations of effecting his vision … look one level higher.
It’s frequently wrong to blame the manager … always wrong to blame the players … more often than not, credit should be given to the competition and blame to nobody.
By Robert
August 26, 2007 5:55 AM | Link to this
” i know your hatred for BOBBY has no bounds, but there is no way for ANY manager to make chicken salad out of chicken sh…..”
That may be true, but our problem is that Bobby Cox excels at making chicken sh&t out of filet mignon
By bill
August 26, 2007 5:59 AM | Link to this
I agree there’s a morale problem. This team just doesn’t seem to care. They have a good line-up but are inconsistant. In order for this team to contend next year, they must have two more starters. Willie Harris is now showing his true colors. He’s nothing more than a bench player. Diaz is a good hitter but he’s no more than an excellent PH. He can’t run or throw to good. This has been a terrible year for JS. All these signing’s and trades are not working. The only reason some of these trades were made was to try and win now. To heck with the future. He left KC’s farm system in a mess and it looks like that is what is happening’s to the Braves system. JS and BC have been good for the Braves but it’s time to move on and go in another direction.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 26, 2007 6:01 AM | Link to this
This team has talent, make no mistake… but not enough to make the playoffs… somehow the guys in the ’90s seemed to be able to manufacture wins… I don’t see this bunch being able to do it. As for BC, he’s in the awkward position of rebuilding a team… he’s never really had to do that before, at least on a large scale. Maybe fill in a couple of positions here or there, but think about it, the teams of the ’90s were oozing with talent! I guess what I’m trying to say is that this bunch just isn’t playoff material, save for a nucleus of dependable players (see Chipper, TEX, Smoltz, and Hudson); 4 guys can’t get you to the postseason… I think maybe by 2009 you’ll see the Braves back in the postseason.
By southbeachdietfreak
August 26, 2007 6:05 AM | Link to this
Man, some of you guys NEVER sleep! How do you keep going??
By Robert
August 26, 2007 6:47 AM | Link to this
“I think maybe by 2009 you’ll see the Braves back in the postseason.”
If Cox follows thru with his current tentative retirement plan, 2009 will indeed be a special season
I would wager that the concensus opinion of Cox will be majorly altered in 2009
By ssiscribe
August 26, 2007 6:53 AM | Link to this
Let’s see … seven back in the East, four back in the wild card, lose when Hudson’s on the mound, and today Wainwright pitches against the Braves in a game Atlanta desperately needs to win.
What am I going to do?
Not watch.
Just can’t take it today, denizens. Want Adam to pitch well. Know the Braves really need to win. Unless Adam goes seven innings and pitches well, leaves with the game tied and the Braves rally to win, it’s going to suck one way or another.
Now, the Braves (noted transition from the Scribe): We’ve put ourselves in this position. Need to win at least two of the next three since Hudson lost last night. Can’t blame Huddy at all. Dude has been lights out since the break and has kept the Braves in the race.
This sucks, folks. I nearly flew to the Lou this weekend to watch Huddy pitch last night and see AW go today. Kinda glad I didn’t now. At least the chicken and fish and shrimp and veggies on the grill were tasty last night, with good company in the abode and the game on TV. Just the final score a bit of a downer, with the hometown nine starting to slip a little bit down the edge of the cliff.
But it’s not over. Just frustrating. But not over yet. Got Mets tix next weekend and will be cheering like crazy. But we GOTTA have somebody other than Smoltz or Hudson start winning games.
Alas, off to church early … may stay late so I don’t watch today. Hopefully, the Mets and Padres both lose today. Hopefully, we win today and get a streak started. Hopefully, Wainwright pitches really well.
Sigh … this pennant race is killing me (not to mention giving me a bad case of the ellipses this morning …). DOB, enjoy you last day off the beat, bro. CR hands this mess back to you tomorrow in sunny South Florida.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 26, 2007 7:32 AM | Link to this
You’re team is playing like sh-it but at least the nick names are cute. Huddy, Smoltzie, Salty(Now gone), Frenchy. They sound like a bunch of cartoon characters.
By Colin
August 26, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this
We are just an average team with a below average manager thats the motto for the 2007 Braves..great lose 2/3 to the cards…prob lose all 3 to fish…
By Paladin
August 26, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
At the end of a very old sitcom,The Life of Riley, the main character—Chester—would look into the camera and say, “What a revolting development this is”. ‘Bout sums it up, now.
But wait!! No one is allowed to just make a comment on here. No, you must include paragraphs about how you would fix it. I wonder why so many of you continue in your mundane jobs instead of stepping right into a manager, GM or analysts job. And I wonder if this blog is required reading in the Braves front office?
Anyway, unless you are in this for the love of the game, I don’t think you are going to like the rest of this season, much.
By Bob, Journalist
August 26, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
Robert, I’ve revised my opinion of you … you sir, do not carry yourself as a man of honor, good breeding, or class. You are certainly not behaving as a gentleman … indeed, I continue to consider you reasonably intelligent, making many fine points, and many of your thoughts are not radically different from my own … while it may be a minority view, please pardon my vulgarity but methinks your behavior bespeaks the maturity level of one recently toilet trained who has yet to learn how to flush.
From my perspective, you probably could and perhaps even should be permanently banned for your insistence on incessant confrontational harangues having a singular political agenda … indeed, I believe it might in some quarters be considered as the rendering of religious doctrine.
However, that is just an observation and is for others to decide … it is however my opinion that your assertion that “anyone who thinks that Bobby Cox is deserving of being enshrined in the HOF either has been totally blinded by the old boys club propaganda machine, or is just flat out a stupid mofo”, shows contempt and flagrant disregard for the feelings of others and I believe is false, causes harm and constitutes defamation.
I have no reason to expect that you in any way value or respect my opinion but I assure you that I’m not being frivolous … if you so think, then you are misguided.
As an aside, methinks the fact that we are given greater latitude with regard to the extent to which we are permitted to debase and defame public figures is no excuse for behavior such as that which you have exhibited on the Blog through your Bobby Cox postings … and my judgment is that no protestations, explanations or rationalizations can truly repair the damage you have done to your reputation.
In short, I believe your behavior is an embarrassment … if not to you and your family, then certainly to many members of this community.
In actual fact, I do believe you are one of honor, breeding and class. However, I honestly cannot understand why you insist upon indulging in behavior that discredits that heratige. I beseech you to reconsider your actions and broaden the perspective you bring to the table.
By Bob, Journalist
August 26, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
“At the end of a very old sitcom, The Life of Riley” … that wasn’t so long ago … seems like yesterday to me.
“unless you are in this for the love of the game” … what other reason is there? Seriously, while I agree with the point, methinks most are.
By Colin
August 26, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
Lets play a little game called over or under…
Over or under 10 games out at end the year behind the mets…
Over or under Jo-Jo 4 innings
Over or under 6 earned runs for Jo-Jo
Over or under Willie has 5 hit in his next 50 atbats
Over or under Bumdruw hits a ball to right field in his next 50 atbats
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 26, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
The braves are a three game winning streak away from a sh-it load of IF’S & MAYBE’S. Aren’t they LEW. In fact your whole season has been built around that fantasy.
By Salty
August 26, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Well, Bob, J
I guess we could all benefit from the abundant patience you have shown the ‘less than Sir’ Robert. Whether I lost mine, I’m unsure; my scroll button merely took over…simply couldn’t justify the time spent reading the nonsense. You’re better than I!
By the way, nice stroll down memory lane re: Howard and Dodd. They don’t make ‘em like that anymore…and I guess it shows in the character of people today, like some on this blog.
Trying to catch up and say thanks to a few from the past couple of days: Chrisklob I haven’t been called a ‘Rock’ since today’s dirt was still a rock! Wow…looong time! At least you recall the good days of Rocks and Trojans (FT. J version, in case anyone thinks we’re in the gutter).
Ncscoots Rock of a different kind…Howard’s! Love that hill…love that school. Just a different setting…great, great memories! When were you there? Coach Howard was retired during my years, although he still held sway in his own inimitable fashion!
Braveheart Sentiments appreciated as well. You do some of the coolest analysis…wow! Your arrow goes straight to the heart of the issue, that’s for sure!
Paladin Thanks as well…and your ‘dog’ story, very well done…well done, indeed.
By Tyler
August 26, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this
NO CHOP ZONE, our entire season has been built around beating the crap out of the Mets, and splitting every other series with sub .500 teams.
Take your best reliever, and throw him out for an entire year. Take your solid #3 starter, and throw him out for the entire season. Play a month without your best hitter, then play another month without your second best hitter. Have your best power hitter $h!t the bed and hit around .220.
That’s what happened to the Braves, all in one season. Not to make excuses, but honestly, those are the reasons the Braves are so far back, along with the fact that they have no desire to pick it up and show some intensity.
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 26, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
Tyler ….During a 162 game season teams go through injuries and adversity. It’s part of the game. The Mets dealt with lots of injuries and players that did not play up to their potential (Delgado, Green).
By Paladin
August 26, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
One of our “talk baseball—dammit” contributors paid a compliment to Braveheart for a post he made in the midst of all of this other “nonsensical chatter” I certainly agree with the compliment.
My friend Braveheart” wonderfully blends a razor-sharp sense of humor with an **impressive knowledge of the game. For that reason, I never fail to read one of his posts because I am amused, or educated, or both.
There are others on here with that gift. Grinch and scoots come easily to mind. There are others but this is not a stroke-the-denizens exercise, but instead, an effort to make an obfuscatory point. That is:
If I were able to have but one of the “gifts”(knowledge of baseball, or a sense of humor)I would choose the sense of humor. It is much more “useful” in other walks and situations of life.
Now that I have given my sermon, I’m going and let my preacher give his. See y’all later.
By Paladin
August 26, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Quickly:
BobJ Are we almost in agreement? :-)
Salty Thank you, and my dog Fala(actually his name is Buzzman)thanks you. :-)
By Tyler
August 26, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
I understand every team has its misfortunes.
How do you think the Mets would be doing if you lost Perez and Wagner for the whole season way back in May?
If you didn’t have Wright for a month? If your 4 starter went on the DL right now when they needed him most? Whatever, this Braves team is just not a winning one.
By Yars
August 26, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
Man, I sound like a broken record when I say this, but let’s not give up just yet. I think we’re all just a bit frustrated, thats all. What concerns me now is Chipper. He might not even be in the lineup today due to a groin injury. Hopefully he won’t miss too much time. Looking at today’s games, don’t tell me that the Padres are on the verge of sweeping the Phillies? What the hell? Are the Phillies this bad, or are the Padres this good? Tomorrow, the Padres open a 4 game series against the D’backs, while the Braves play the Marlins. We need all the help we can get from the D’backs, but at the same time, we got to do our part & at least win 2 out of 3 against the Fish. Playing these under .500 teams is what’s killing the Braves. The Reds, Cards, Fish man those are teams we got to beat! I know Wainwright is tough, but maybe a miracle will happen & Atlanta pulls off an upset, with or without Chipper. What I’m scared of, if Chipper isn’t in the lineup, who is Bobby gonna put at 3B? Please don’t tell me Woodward! Hell man, I’d rather have Harris at 3B today than Woodward. Too bad Prado was just sent down. Let’s shock the country today & win! Ok, maybe I sound a little too optimistic, but I’m just waiting until 12 noon so I can buy a sixer to ice down my sore left foot after kicking my tv last night after the Braves lost again to a team with a record under .500.
By Colin
August 26, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
Yars Average teams with a below average manager don’t win games they are supposed and sure the heck do not win the games there not supposed to…Lets face its over..i would not mind having some of those little leaguers from Georgia pitching for us before jo-jo, cormier, or chuck when he comes back.
By Robert
August 26, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Bob - I respect your opinion. I ask you to consider mine, which is that anyone who thinks Cox is a good manager is either misguided or stupid.
I fail to see how calling a spade a spade is causing harm or can be constituted as defamation
My purpose for blogging here is not to enhace my reputation or my popularity, and as such, I care about neither for their own sake
I want to see the Braves win World Championships. I believe that with the current manager, this is a pipe dream - and that to anyone who shares my desire for the Braves to win championships, all the discussions about who to pitch, or who to trade, and so on and so on, are pointless - because there exists a fundamental flaw in the Braves that will preclude success, regardless of what they do otherwise
To that end, I preach that the Braves must first correct the fundamental flaw.
Once that’s done, the rest of the chatter becomes relevent
By TampaBrave
August 26, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
When TBS sunsets the Braves, so will its national support. I am a fan because of TBS. If I had not been exposed to them through TBS on a day to day basis, I would not be here blogging today. I would not have gone to several games a year. When the Braves decided not to televise nationally anymore, they essentially told me they don’t need fans outside of the region. They don’t want me as a fan. I am very disappointed with the decision and I try to imagine how I can continue my level of support. Hannibal Lechter said it best, “We covet what we see everyday”. When the Braves disappear from my TV screen, so will my interest. This has been a long amiable relationship. They provided me with the everyday drama of a 162 game season, I’d get off my duff and go up there a few times a year to see it in person. Living in Maryland, I went to see them in Philly more times than I can count. I don’t know if the Brave’s players noticed, but they were well represented when they hit the road. I fear that will now diminish because being out of sight is truly out of mind. I grew up with Skip Caray and crew leading me from summer into fall. That will be no more. I tried MLB.com this year and don’t particularly care for it and probably will not use it in the future. So when TBS broadcasts its last game, I imagine my trips to Atlanta and other baseball venues will cease as well. It’s been a good ride, but life goes on. Go Braves and thank you TBS.
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
Tyler
I understand what you are saying with the Braves injury problems, but look at the Phillies man. They have been destroyed by the injury bug. You can make a good case that the Braves have been outplayed by the Phils since May 1.
By ESPU!!
August 26, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
FLASH!!! The Atlanta Braves have just fired Bobby Cox!! In his place they have hired Coach(These Noises in my Head are driving me CRAZY).
In his first “movement” Coach has announced that he will carry 39 pitchers(It’s pitching dammit!!)and one position player. Woodward is that player because he can play all 8 positions, and apparently will.
In the opinion of this reporter, they can beat the Muts with this lineup, but no one else. In other words, why make the change?
By Lee in S. GA
August 26, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave
Sorry about TBS. Living in S. Ga I take it for granted because I get every game whether it is Fox Sports South, TBS, or Sports South. This is having access to Dish Network. I grew up in the 70’s listening to them on radio. No cable access where I lived back then and I know what you mean.
By Will
August 26, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Huddy losing too?? thats just great. I am not gonna get on him though nobody can win everytime and somebody else on a good baseball team would be able to pick him up. You just had to laugh when Andruw came up in the 9th last night, it was obviously over. I am sick and tired of the b*** and moaning about balls and strikes every other night. Chipper last night in the 9th, just sit down! I dont blame Bobby Cox for much of anything that is happening, but his incessant balls and strikes griping is starting to carry over to the players. I know they are frustrated, but it is embarrassing, especially since they are wrong a good 50% of the time. Braves pitchers got 6 inches off the outside corner for YEARS.
By TEM-rM
August 26, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Looks like the Braves are done for the year.
Good move by trading Salty for Texiera. Now Texiera goes out on the Free Agent Market with the Yankees looking for a top quality 1st baseman. I wonder who is going to win that bid? Salty would have been an awesome 1st baseman for the Braves and he would have only cost 400k a year.
Ironically the Braves were listed as winners in the trade deadline however will end up as the losers in the long run when Tex goes to the Skankees next year. I hate the Skankees BTW.
By ijonathan
August 26, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
Perhaps Robert feels compelled to harangue on Cox incessantly because many in this little corner of the blogosphere still fail to see that Cox horribly mismanages this team, and has for some time. Ask any activist — they don’t give up just because nobody appears to be listening. IN fact, that just spurs them on.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Robert: Activist Blogger.
By Bandwagon Fan
August 26, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
I’ll save you the trouble, so here goes.
You are a bandwagon fan, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
This team will be fine, you know nothing! Even though we’ve not been playing well, no other team has been playing well either! We’re going to come around!
I’ve heard it all before, Chicken Little. The Braves lose a couple and you are yelling the sky is falling! The Braves will be ok!
So anyway, here we are 7 games back in the East and 4 back in the wildcard.
People here who have been doubting this team this year have been catching grief for months now.
Guess what you baseball gurus who have thrown stones at those who doubt this team…. THIS IS NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM AND THEY ARE PROVING IT MORE EVERY DAY!
So who are the know nothings now?
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
The Padres are starting to turn it on. They always pitch well.
What a rough offseason this is going to be. More so, a rough October watching the Mets, Yankees and Red Sox.
By Colin
August 26, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
Thankfully football season is right around the corner…..GO COWBOYS AND FLORIDA STATE…**
By Will
August 26, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Tampa, I too live out of the region and rely on TBS, i think i am going to have to get the Directv mlb deal next year, cause that is gonna suck they are not on anymore.
By Truth Seeker
August 26, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
So who are the know nothings now?
You, Mr. Bandwagon Fan, certainly come to mind.
By Will
August 26, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
TEM-rM Hey idiot do you not even pay enough attention to know that Tex is signed through next year. Moron!
By Lee in S. GA
August 26, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
Efrim
I am certainly pulling for Seattle to win the Wild Card in the A.L. Anything to keep the Yankees out of it.
By Colin
August 26, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
**Why waste money on a mlb deal when there just an average team…. AVERAGE…
By Bandwagon Fan
August 26, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
Ahhhh Truth Seeker….. still waiting for that 10-0 run to get the team back in it huh? Touched a nerve did I?
LOL
By Mz Manures
August 26, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
“Predictors” always amuse me. Just as the saying goes, “If you put a 1000 monkeys in a room with typewriters, they will eventually write a best seller”, you make enough “predictions” and one is bound to be right—sometime, or someday.
Maybe we should change it to: “Put a 1000 monkeys on a blog and they will eventually ‘predict’ something that actually happens.”
By Todd A
August 26, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Mr baseball very succinctly put in your 12:47.This team goes into lock down mode after the 6th inning of a close game. It’s hard to watch, really.The hitting on this team completely stops from the 7th inning on, the defense can be relied upon to make a crucial error(that just absolutely kills this team), or the inevitable bullpen collapse with a lead.
I was relieved to see Tex get a hit in the 9th, because,I swear I can’t remember him getting a homer or RBI past the 6th inning this month as a Brave(not to blame him for the Braves troubles, he’s been amazing overall).Ever notice how Kelly Johnson, who seems to know what he’s doing at the plate, knocks the cover off the ball early/middle part of the game, but can never seem to pull the trigger late in games. He’s been caught looking at called third strikes much to often in crunch time. Chipper gets to reaching, and plays pepper with the second baseman.Earth to McCann, the pitchers are jamming you. Stop swinging at pitches on your wrists. Who knows with Franceour? If he would ever wait on a good pitch to hit, he would be the money guy on this team. With him, it all depends on whether or not a pitcher makes a mistake close enough to where he can get enough wood on it to hit it hard someplace. Willie is starting to show why he’s bounced around so much. Charles Thomas, he is not.
By Will
August 26, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Colin, They are a average team and i love to b*** about them, but i will never quit watching just cause they have a bad year. I think they are gonna be really good next year and am two seconds away from turning my attention to 2008
By flbravesgirl
August 26, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave, as a fellow Floridian, I know exactly what you mean. This is why I’ve gotten the ExtraInnings package the last few years as the games became fewer on TBS.
However, the Braves did not decide to not televise nationally anymore. Time Warner decided to dump them from TBS. One final parting blow to Braves fans from TW, I guess. I agree with you that this will really hurt the fan base but the Braves organization has no say in the matter.
By Mz Manures
August 26, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
Mr. Bandwagon: “Touching” of others is rude, gauche and a misdemeanor. Please keep your paws to yourself.
By ijonathan
August 26, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
On to my latest installment of “why is Bobby Cox misusing Ron Mahay beyond all comprehension?” Do you think when JS jumped through hoops to get Teixeira and Mahay from Texas he thought…okay, goood, I’ve got a true cleanup hitter now to solidify our lineup, and I’ve got a reliever who can come in and pitch an inning in blowouts? NO, he thought he got a lefty reliever (of which we had essentially zero at the time) who was effective in getting lefties out. So what has JS been thinking lately seeing Mahay repeatedly brought into 11-3, 7-3, 9-3 games and, perhaps because of those appearances, NOT brought into games like last night to face Edmunds with 2 on and 2 out in the eighth inning of a critical 1-run game? In Texas this year, Mahay faced roughly equal number of left-handed and right-handed batters (18 IP vs. lefties, 21 IP vs. righties) while in Atlanta this year has pitched almost twice as many innnings against righties (8.1 IP) as against lefties (4.2 IP). And his splits justify him as a guy who can get left-handed hitters out…his ERA and WHIP are excellent against lefties.
I know beat writers (including DOB and CR) don’t like to be too confrontational with the Braves for fear of being shut out, but will somebody please ask Bobby what his strategy has been lately for using Mahay?
By Overlord
August 26, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
Shaun and ijonathan i agree with you both. Braves chances are something like the chances the bosox had when the yanks had them against the ropes after 3 games couple of years ago and went on to win the series 4-3. It would take something like that to overcome ourselves right now, and the braves are not the bosox of a couple of years ago.
So ill have to say that all our 4 turbines are down and we are going to crash in a matter of minutes.
Only chance is if 3-5 guys start winning, and we all know it aint gonna happen.
By GermanBravesFan
August 26, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
Robert: GET A LIFE!!!
By Colin
August 26, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Will
I love wishful thinking…we will be no different next year our pitching will still be bottom of the barrel..we will still be bad at hitting with risp…our bullpen might be better who knows….Our manager is below average…Im sure Hampton will get injured and hope insurance pays…Chipper probably will get hurt again some time during the season..Smoltz will be older..Who knows how long he be able to start effectively….Renteria probably will be gone so escobar will be playing and hopefully doesnt have a sophomore slump…Chuck probably will still be in our rotation…Buddy will probably still be in our rotation…Were looking at a 75-83 win season next year.
By Overlord
August 26, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
ijonathan there is no logical thinking, only explanation to me is that bobby has lost confidence is almost everyone and he wants to see some outs and try to return confidence in the rest of the team, so he puts in his most reliable pitcher to get it done…..
By Will
August 26, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
“Huddy had the worst luck I’ve ever seen of any pitcher in one inning” Unfortunately Bobby Cox has said that about ten different times this year. That was always his line he used for Wickman when he blew saves giving up balls that werent “hit hard” or were hit in holes.
By Will
August 26, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
Colin, You are wrong about that. I am always a “glass half empty” guy with the Braves, but i dont know how you think the Braves are not gonna be good next year. If Renteria is gone they will have a very good player, hopefully pitcher in return for him. They have the tools this year, i am at this point convinced they are cursed or something. Nothing goes right for them, sometimes teams have years like that, but it does not mean it will carry over to next year.
By Mz Manures
August 26, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
Esteemed Fan from across the sea: Your oft expressed and well-deserved wishes for Robert(Who moonlights as Coach) are wasted. Bobby(that’s what he was called)was attacked by a donk when he was slopping the pigs and has borne a grudge ever since.
Two psychiatrists have had to be committed after attempting to reason Robert out of his (I HATE COX) dis functionality. Please don’t join them. Leave him to BobJ.
By Colin
August 26, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this
Will Sorry were not going to get no high quality pitcher for Renteria….He would go for like a 3rd starter and a minor leaguer…Plus our guys up the middle would have 2 yrs experience can we say dp are at a all time low…KJ can make a back handed play if his glove had a magnet in it…We will finish 3rd 85-77
By Overlord
August 26, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Once again bobby cox has been the cause of at least half of our lost games.
I said it last night and ill repeat it. If willie never learned to bunt in the minors or in the team he previously played for, you teach him, and if he already knew how, you make him practice it daily, it is unforgivable more because he is a leadoff hitter…… Bobby cox is responsible for this failure 70% responsible. And even more because it happened more than once with willie and it happened with other players. I think that TPs job could be in jeopardy even if the braves finish the year among leaders in offense. They are missing something, too much inconsistency.
Once again, the best team won, and i mean the muts, and by team you dont refer to players, manager and coaches are also included in that word and the muts are clearly the better team as we speak.
By Train Wreck Bystander
August 26, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
I always thought MLB was the reason TBS was ending its national Braves coverage.
After all, how can MLB sell all those TV packages on DirecTV when TBS is televising “free” Braves games?
I am thankful I live under the SportSouth / FSN umbrella and close to an FM station on the Braves Radio Net.
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I still believe in these Atlanta Braves.
By GermanBravesFan
August 26, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
Mz Manures: thanks for the clarification! I will take your advice and get Bob J on it…
By Bob, Journalist
August 26, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
I know ya’ll claim that rock came from California but an old caretaker at Stone Mountain told me we shouldn’t believe it … he never said anything more, just smiled.
Salty, In my second year at the Trade School on North Avenue, I bought the best and most expensive Keuffel & Esser slide rule I could find in Atlanta a log log duplex decitrig … man was I proud of that but I never really figured out how to use it … it’s a good thing my interest was in mathematics rather than in being an engineer cause I can’t drive a train either.
I didn’t learn much at the trade school … read the problem before you try to solve it, look folks and life square in the eye, brains will beat brawn most of the time, if you have big friends … if you give it your best, with honor, you can hold your head up high, regardless of the outcome.
Coach Dodd was one of a kind, a true gentleman who cared … a role model for all who called the flats home … four square and true blue, he was … make that white and gold. If he said it was raining when there wasn’t a cloud in the sky, we wouldn’t hesitate to put on our rain gear. He influenced us all and I think he always will. I don’t think I ever heard him use hard language in public and only once did I see him lose his temper with any of his charges.
Gentlemen of honor and dignity … there must be a secret formula somewhere … it may be a Southern thing … I only know that folks who don’t look for it ain’t likely to find it … Bear could walk on water but then he knew where the rocks were, though none of them were from California.
Could you imagine me finding fault with Coach Dodd or any of the players because we lost a game we wudda, cudda, shudda won … Goodness!
Some young fans leave me with the impression that they’re Braves’ fans because they’ve always won and if they aren’t going to win, … then what’s the point, there are many other, more exciting things to do than watching a team lose.
Methinks Houseman was suggesting that it’s nothing new … And oh, ’tis true, ’tis true!
By Mz Manures
August 26, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
This Braves team is the Braves team with the more chance to win it all since 98. And i will be more tenacious and say that is the team with more chances to win it all since 1996.
Mr. Overlord; I hate to do this to you, darlin’, but the above is a quote from you at about this time yesterday. As that old song goes: “What a difference a day makes”.
By mets fan in atlanta
August 26, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Tyler, are you serious?????
NO CHOP ZONE, our entire season has been built around beating the crap out of the Mets, and splitting every other series with sub .500 teams.
Take your best reliever, and throw him out for an entire year (Uh, Duaner Sanchez-check). Take your solid #3 starter, and throw him out for the entire season(hmmm, Pedro probably qualifies as a number 3 at worst-check). Play a month without your best hitter (Carlos Beltran-twice on DL)-check), then play another month without your second best hitter(Moises Alou-about 3 months on DL-check). Have your best power hitter $h!t the bed and hit around .220(That’s exactly where Carlos Delgado was the first 2/3’s of the season-he’s now at .250’s—check).
That’s what happened to the Braves, all in one season. Not to make excuses, but honestly, those are the reasons the Braves are so far back, along with the fact that they have no desire to pick it up and show some intensity.
Difference is the mets have some depth, even when their entire starting outfield was out at one point, including top 3 reserves (Endy Chavez, Lastings Milledge, and Carlos Gomez—all on DL together). Spare me the whining—Mets held it together with Damion Easley, David Newhan, and other assorted castoffs, until the other players got healthy. Its called stepping up and playing like a team.
By Will
August 26, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Colin, There is no way in hell to predict what the Braves are gonna do next year. I am just floored that you look at the players they will have for sure (let alone any trades/free agents they may get) and think they do not have the potential to be a very good baseball team. I am thoroughly disgusted with the Braves right now, but that has nothing to do with the 2008 prospects.
By Lew
August 26, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this
Efrim- In the wee hours last night you asked what I, as an optimist thought of how the Braves are doing now. I’ll tell you Dude, until they are mathematically eliminated, I will always have hope. However….It’s looking like the fire is not there and until (if) it shows up, we aren’t going anywhere. It’s time for them to realize that the Mets suck and are much more vulnerable than NoBrainZone would ever admit. I love the way he brags on a team that both we and the Phillies should have taken out by now.. The Phillies pitching staff is doing it with offense, smoke and mirrors and the wild card teams aren’t all that much, either. I have no idea what is wrong with the Braves. They are much better than the .500 team they are playing like. Their lack of consistency is going to doom them. They need to get their act together and do it today. Coach thinks a four man rotation and calling up the minor leagues is the solution, but I don’t think they will last until September 1 at the rate they are going now (not that I think Coach’s solution bears any semblance of reality).
First thing I would do is sit Harris. He had his run and his playing (lack of hitting, no ability to bunt or advance runners and his pitiful stealing success) are severely hurting our offense. Many talk of Andruw as a rally killer, but Willie is murdering many rallies on his own. Diaz keeps on hitting and he should have an everyday chance. What could it possibly hurt to give him his shot? Second, I would give KJ the leadoff spot back. The guy had a leadoff OBP of damn near .400. He has good speed as evidenced by his 10 triples. He has proven to be an uncomplaining player who just gives it all wherever he plays and wherever he hits. I’m certainly not sure why he was moved to begin with, but his lack of whining when the changes were made, is very much to his credit.
As far as the pitching, I truly don’t know. Someone has to step up and strap on the leotards. It’s past the point of absurdity. Getting Wells would not have been the answer-maybe Trachsel would help-I just don’t know. Injuries have been a factor, I’m sure, but the Phillies and Mets have had their share of injuries, as well and that evens things out-making injuries a moot point. The Braves are underachieving and that is a problem they, themselves must address. No number of personnel moves are going to change anything if the competitive fire in their guts is lacking. Unfortunately, that’s how it now looks. NoBrainZone-Go screw yourself, Mosquito Boy.
By Paladin
August 26, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
BobJ We do have an agreement. I am, as I have often stated, a Bulldog thru and thru, but I am a great admirer of Bobby Dodd. Great coach, better man. And, he beat us like a drum, regularly.
By Larry
August 26, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this
Robert,You are correct.
By Colin
August 26, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Will
Don’t tell me you cant guarantee that Chipper will get hurt sometime next year it has happened the last how many years…Until we get rid of BC, HAMPTON AND BUMDRUW…we wont win…. Sorry when your team shuts down after the 6th inning as someone stated before why would it change next year…Pitching won us 14 division titles and we have none..sorry your optimistic…but We had potential this year and look how it turned out 3rd in the division and not in the playoffs…Next no different…
By Goat Horns
August 26, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
How many people had a feeling that Andruw would get a game winning hit when he batted in the 9th yesterday?
Me neither!
By Lew
August 26, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Will-I have the Extra Innings package on Digital cable and have had it for 5 years. Dude, I have missed one Braves game all year (a Fox game-and I use XM to catch those games). The package is certainly not cheap, but I have watched over 225 games this year. I have even seen most of the Mets and Phillies games (yes, Mosquiito Boy, I watch the competition and may know more about them than you do). It is a worthwhile package if you can afford the $160 it costs. At least cable breaks it up over four payments. The main thing I have a problem with is that away games mostly feature the other team’s broadcast crew. When you play the Dodgers and you get Vin Scully, this is a wonderful thing. When you get the Reds or Cards broadcast teams-not so great. At least you get the games televised that you want to see and many others, as well.
By Colin
August 26, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
Goat horns
exactly…he is horrible…
By Goat Horns
August 26, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
The bad thing about the Braves right now is that they are not getting beaten; they are losing.
It is one thing to get beaten in a game (that happens to every team) but it is something completely different to lose a game or to fail to win a “winable” game.
We do not win close games anymore!
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Lew
Well said. I agree, I won’t give up. But the fact of the matter is the Mets have an 8 game lead in the loss with 32 games to play. The Padres have a 5 games lead in the loss and have taken 2 series in a row on the east coast.
Kelly Johnson should be moved back into the leadoff spot, and Willie Harris should be sat down, I can’t agree with you more on that.
I would talk about next year, but it is pointless. Who know’s what is going to happen this offseason.
It is tough as a fan, because we have to take this one game at a time from now until the end, and that is very tough to swallow.
It isn’t crazy to think we could go 20-12. I know it sounds insane, but we have 6 games vs. Nationals, 6 games vs, Marlins, 4 games vs, Brewers, 3 games vs. Astros, 6 games, vs. Phillies, 6 games vs. Mets, and todays game.
20-12 can be done, but the whole team has to step it up. It’s easy to say the back end is the problem, but this team doesn’t hit in the clutch anymore. They hit in the clutch the first 6 weeks, since then, they haven’t.
By Bob, Journalist
August 26, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this
Bobby, it’s a new day … how about a change … just for fun why not lead off with Willie, followed by Yunel, Kelly, Matt, Chipper, Tex, Brian, and Jeff … and have them all just concentrate on getting on … it’ll be fun, the positive contagion will carry the day … make them quit worrying about slugging and getting them in … heck, if they all get on, most of them are going to get in.
We do getting on real good … at least until they think they’ve got to show off and get them in … let them concentrate on what they’re good at … and quit giving away outs just to try to get one run, especially in the first with nobody out … we ain’t scared of those fellas and a base hit beats heck out of a sacrifice bunt or sacrifice fly … failed attempts at base hits move the runners to in you do it right … it simplifies signs and is easier to remember because it works just as good, no matter how many outs there are … gets more crooked numbers too.
By Will
August 26, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this
Colin, Whatever man. I get ripped on here all the time for being too pessmistic and negative, you just sound stupid right now.
By Paladin
August 26, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Where are Savannah Braveheart and **Grinch? The latter two are probably hungover, but someone needs to call Chablis and get SG out of that frilly, 4-poster bed and get him here. We got a series to salvage!
Fall in! and lock ‘n’ load. If it’s war they want then it’s war they’ll get! GO BRAVES
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
Lineup
Check this out…
CF Harris
SS Escobar
2B Johnson
1B Teixiera
C McCann
RF Francouer
LF Diaz
3B Woodward
P Reyes
Wow. I knew Chipper wouldn’t be in the lineup, but no Andruw as well????
Good, maybe BC is sending him a message. Although, he has hit well as of late. It would be nice to send Frenchy a message, the guy hasn’t gotten a hit on thie road trip……..
By southbeachdietfreak
August 26, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
NCZ,
By Will
August 26, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Lew, Yeah i will definitely be getting that next year. I spend 20 times more then that throughout the year going to the bar to watch games. And i do have to say i think i may be better off listening to other teams announcers then Chip Caray!! Watched last night on the Cards network and their announcers were seriously questioning whether they should walk A.Jones and pitch to Escobar in the 9th. I was laughing my a* off!!
By Colin
August 26, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
we will be out by 5 and 8 at the end of today..its nice to know the outcome before it is going to happen
By Lew
August 26, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
Mets Fan In Atl-Dude, I don’t want to hear about the Mets injury problems. Let’s compare. Sanchez-Gonzalez. Pedro-Hampton. Beltran-Chipper. Delgado-Andruw Jones. Take Alou and match him to Craig Wilson and Scott Thorman (may as well have been injured). You haven’t lost anything that the Braves haven’t lost as well. Add to that the Braves injuries to Chuck James, Wickman, Doteland Paronto and the fact that our utility infielder (Aybar) has missed an entire season and I fail to see where we have any edge over the Mets in this regard. The reason (and the only one) that the Mets are ahead, is that Rick Peterson turned Oliver Perez around and your closer has been better than ours was. Period. If the Phillies or the Braves had played to where they should, the Mets would be in third. Believe me, two plus months of sub .500 ball is nothing to be bragging on. That’s exactly what the Mets did. They certainly ain’t all that, no matter what you, NoBrainZone, Drooling Fool or Anders may think to the contrary. Even if y’all win the division, you’ll sit during the series, just like you did last year. Then you can keep telling us how our 14 divisions don’t mean diddly, but your two mean the world.
By Paladin
August 26, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
I’m going and take my nap so I can say awake for the game. :-)
By Colin
August 26, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHA woodward at third…that makes me laugh..and laugh hard…
By Lew
August 26, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
Why is Chipper not in the lineup? Is he just getting a day off, or did he tweak the groin again? I saw him twist strangely last night and thought he may have re-aggravated it. Did he?
By Goat Horns
August 26, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
I have been a Braves fan for 30 years and cheer for all of the Braves.
Bobby Cox is a wonderful manager to play for and is roundly supported by his players; however his “game management” has left something to be desired over the years. He is loyal to his players to a fault.
It is time for him to start managing each game with some urgency. He was so loyal to Andruw Jones last night that he let him bat with a .220 average and the game on the line in the ninth while he had a .343 hitter (and excellent pinch hitter) sitting on the bench unused.
I know that some will say the Cards would have walked Diaz if he had pinch hit; but then we would have had a .320 hitter up that has shown the ability to get “clutch” hits.
Bobby chose to roll the dice with with Andruw because he did not want to p*ss him off; even though it gave the Braves a lesser chance at victory.
He needs to manage with a sense of urgency and players egos be damned!
By Overlord
August 26, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
Mz Manures you are right, there was so much difference just in a day that even cox has done something i dont think (if ever) he does frequently. How many times have the braves played in the last 10 years with both of jones boys not in the lineup? I have to say that this might not be the only time, but i dont think it has been done more than 3 times……. i might be wrong.
So you see, even bobby has gone crazy, What i saw last night was above my toleration and patience, which has lasted 5 months. I still think there small chance and maybe ill change drastically my way of thinking if jojo goes 7 IP and we win 7-5. Do you think there is much of a chance for that? I DONT, BUT I KEEP THE FAITH.
Thanks for your comment, thats why im here for, debating, thats what i think we all are here for. Never take it personally, just when it is, so your comment looks good enough to me.
By chipper
August 26, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
“uh, it looked like a can’telope coming in there. i swung at it and hit it good. i took off for first and it felt good gliding down the basepath, the breeze coursing through my chin hair. then, suddenly and without warning, my groin seized up! oh, the humanity! it hurt so bad! i, uh, put on my blinker and made the turn toward the dugout but as i looked up i saw someone waiting for me on the top step. it was smoltzie … “
By Overlord
August 26, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
Muts are not a great team, they are just good, maybe not more talented than the braves, but they are executing, thats is what takes them out of the category we belong to right now….. mediocre. We could be out of it in the blink of and eyelash and play .750 ball (capable) but probably wont happen (10% chances).
By Will
August 26, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
Is today’s lineup a cruel joke? I mean we already know the Braves are rolling over, but they could at least act like they are not. Man, i needed a good mid-afternoon laugh!
By Carroll Rogers
August 26, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this
new blog should be up momentarily if it’s not already….efrim is right, no joneses in the lineup today. bobby said andruw is out because of sore knee, shoulder, elbow. just a day off.
ok on wells braveheart. just assuming it was mostly to do with productivity and not personality, you know?
By Efrim
August 26, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
Will
That could be your lineup in 2009. Take a long look man, it could happen. Of course Willie won’t be our CF and Woodward won’t be the 3B, but the others will most likely be there.
By MetsFan
August 26, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
Lew I love how you cherry-pick your facts about the Mets. Here’s the only span that matters: since Opening Day, the Mets are 18 games OVER .500, while the Braves are a mere 4 games over. And please, keep telling everyone how the Mets “suck,” even though they have the best record in the National League AND the biggest divisional lead of any team in major league baseball. At least you finally admitted that Oliver Perez is a good pitcher, which took you about six months too long.
By Tyler
August 26, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
It’s true. The Mets can win no matter who’s in the field as long as Reyes and Wright are there everyday. Not to mention the fact that they’re rotation is much more consistent than ours.
Making the playoffs is going to be difficult, and if we do it will be a huge confidence boost going into next year. If we add a starting pitcher, our team is solid. But I think making the playoffs this year will be a test for next year as well. It kind of shows whether we can rebound or not.
By Overlord
August 26, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this
Im not so sure about that…….. i dont feel that diaz and willie are gonna be here for 2 long. Woodward either.
By Ron Roberts
August 26, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
Mornin’ gang…
…I actually like the lineup. It’d be nice if our backup 3B were somebody with a little more punch in his bat, but all in all, it’s no Andruw and with Diaz AND Willie.
That being said, Andruw’s past week has perhaps been his hottest at the dish. .321 with 2 HRs and 6 RsBI. But what proves to me that this team is jinxed this season is that now that Andruw’s hitting, we’re not benefitting as much because often, nobody’s on when he does hit. In two of the past seven games, he collected 3 and 2 hits (over half his week’s hits), we got zero RsBI out of those hits.
So I dunno; maybe Bobby’s sitting him for being a bit more outspoken about the Wickman DFA then I can remember a Braves player being about anything in the midst of the season, aside from Smoltz v. Jones.
It’s to the point now where the optimists can’t keep saying “there’s still plenty of baseball left” or “no one game is more important than any other.”
At this point in the year, with a huge deficit in both the division and wild card to attempt to make up, every game’s more important with each passing day, with eash Braves loss and with each Phillies and Padres win.
Somebody has to step up at the back end of the rotation, and it has to start today. Jo Jo’s shown flashes of brilliance before each inevitable meltdown; you get the sense that Buddy Carlyle’s starting to fade, and Lance Cormier’s teasing us with decent-to-good starts of late. So can Jo Jo finally put it together? Can Buddy Carlyle make the necessary adjustments to counter the adjustments the league’s made on him? Can Lance Cormier continue to progress - and benefit from a game where the offense actually supports him?
If all thos cans come to fruition, the wild card’s there for the taking. Nobody’s playing particularly well in that race (least of all, the Braves), but on paper, no team in that race looks as good as we do, either.
If we were all starting tied for that lead, I’d give us the nod; but we’re four back (five in the loss column, which is more telling) with only 32 left to play.
No better day to start than today.
By Giles of Langerhans
August 26, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
My favorite ever Jeff Passan quote:
“Perhaps if the Braves drank a little more they’d have won more than one World Series after 14 straight playoff appearances.”
By Bart
August 26, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
Braves & TBS… Sad time for me…I become a BIG Braves fan when I was in 3rd grade back in the late 60’s. I listended to Ernie and Milo on whatever A.M. station I could find that would pick up their broadcast. All the doubleheaders and all the west coast games that ended in the wee hours of the morning on the east coast, To say the least, my school work took a beating during baseball season. It didn’t matter, I was an addict and I had NO desire to be cured. In the late 70’s, I heard that our local cable company was going to have alomst all the Braves baseball games on TBS. I couldn’t talk my parents into buying into cable tv so I got a part time job at the local Publix and paid for it myself. I got to watch all their games and rebroadcasts on my 17inch black/white tv in my room. I thought that was awesome!!! I have enjoyed almost everyone of the broadcasters that have come through there. From Ernie, Skip and Pete. To Billy Sample, Darell Chaney, Don Sutton, Joe Simpson and Chip Carrey. There was only one guy that I didn’t really get into and he moved on to a bigger market and made millions happy there. So it must have been just me…hmmm Anyway, to make a long story just a little bit longer, not seeing the Braves on TBS anymore really bites for me. While I have enjoyed Chip and Joe this season, I have missed Skip and Pete’s broacasts this season. I guess all good things DO come to and end. I guess it’s almost “cocktail hour”…
By Overlord
August 26, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
I dont get it…… even with chipper and AJ sitting down this lineup looks to me as if we are gonna score 7 runs today…… yet the only 7 we are scoring is in the standings.
By Yars
August 26, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave………your 10:59 am post was very touching. If it weren’t for TBS, I would have probably never been a Braves fan either, even though I’ve spent the majority of my life so far in the South. I guess those Braves fans who reside in the South have the luxury now of still being able to catch Atlanta games either on sportsouth or fox sports channel. Not being able to see the Braves on tbs anymore, combined with them probably not reaching the playoffs this season, really hurts. We all watch this team on tv, pretty much every day since early April, & we are all starting to realize they may not make the playoffs this season. I don’t feel sorry too much for players like Kelly, Frenchy, McCann, Escobar, Hudson, Tex, & Andruw. All those players are still young & will get many more opportunities over the years to experience the postseason. I feel bad for Chipper, Smoltz, & Bobby. They may not get another chance. Now Playing: Regret by New Order.
By Nicknames
August 26, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
Why is that that almost every Brave except Andruw Jones has a cloying nickname? There’s:
Chipper Smoltzie Huddy Frenchy Gonzo Tex
And even a lot of former Braves had nicknames:
Salty Wicky Roachy and of course, Giles of Langerhans
By Jay
August 26, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
So lets get this straight.
The Mets suck because they had two sub-.500 months.
They’ve have no “ACE” pitchers.
Their lineup is not as good as the Braves lineup.
And they didn’t suffer the amount of injuries that the Braves or the Phillies have.
Well where exactly does that leave the Braves?
The Braves that have TWO Aces, a more productive lineup, better options in the their bullpen and a trading deadline move that brought you Tex and two proven, albiet injured, relievers. What is your excuse?
To let LEW tell it the Mets have sucked all year so why in the hell are you 7 back?
Heck the Mets had an outfield of Ben Johnson, Endy Chavez and David Newhan for much of june with Carlos Gomez and Damion Easly coming off the pine. We lost 11 out of 14 for one stretch heading into the all-star break. We’ve lost EVERY series against the Braves this season and was swept at Shea by the Phillies and lost a series to the Nationals at home.
So what is the Braves problem? It seems to me that this season was set up for the Braves to return to glory. What happened?
Lew and others on this blog have broken down the Mets as losers this year, so if thats true, then why couldn’t the Braves overcome this Met team that is evidently terrible.
Maybe the Mets are terrible but one thing is for sure, they didn’t let that stand in their way of trying to win the division.
Not having an ace, not losing all 6 of their outfielders, not Shawn Green with 36 RBI, not Delgado and his season long slump, not the bullpen blowing lead after lead, not our 5th starters having gone 3-13, nothing has stopped them from trying to win.
So what the heck is it that makes a terrible Mets team better than the braves?
Since you Brave fans, having witnessed 14 division champions, are experts at breaking down winners and losers, you tell me why the Braves are losing out to such a terrible team.