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By Greg

August 17, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

All they have to do to beat Webb is be patient and make him work. They did this very well against the Mets. Just make him throw pitches. Heck, he a sinkerball pitcher, so more than half of his pitches will be out of the strike zone. Just be selective and don’t be afraid of striking out looking. He’ll throw some stuff that doesn’t sink, then they can hammer him. Plus, if you make him work, the heat will be more of a factor.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Carroll: Great performance by Andrew and Tyler!

By Brian

August 17, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

That was excellent.

By Lew

August 17, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Carroll-If you can get them to blog their song here, I’ll do a Wurlitzer Portrait of Teixeira for them.

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Shaun, regarding your last post and my need to look at stats in the proper context, I would rather watch the game and see the stats develop with my own eyes. What I am watching tells me that Chuck is having major issues right now, his pitches have no movement, and he is getting tatooed at the moment.

I posted those stats on Moss and Ramirez just to make a comparison. Just because a pitcher comes up and seems able to get out major league hitters in one season does not mean that this will continue. Chuck has made a little over one full season of starts. Hitters are catching up to him. He does not have the same control that Glavine had. His fastball and change are minimally different when it comes to mph. He needs a lot of work.

By chipdip

August 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

AWESOME SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Tonight on TBS

August 17, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

After the game…

Body Heat (1981)

Mark Teixeira (William Hurt) is a firstbaseman for a seedy mid-market baseball team. During a searing heatwave he’s seduced by Braves fans (Kathleen Turner) and a passionate affair commences. But it isn’t long before they realise the one thing standing in their way is the first place New York Mets. A plot hatches to dispose of The Mets but do they have what it takes to pull it off? (Suspense).

By Randy

August 17, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Ditto on the lack of replay last night. Had some good seats for the game, moved over right behind home plate when Moylan came in (had to get a good view of his stuff). Andruw scorched that ball, looked gone off the bat, but at the end of a sweaty, pitiful night (one of the worst games I’ve been to all year, though opening night has a firm hold on the top spot) we don’t even get to see that catch again. Booo.

By Thrillhouse44

August 17, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Thanks for lightening the mood in here! I think Webb is due to give up some runs. Perhaps Tex will be inspired by this duo!

By flange1

August 17, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the new blog Carroll!

The song is great even if it does come from WarEagles…..

By ssiscribe

August 17, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Wow, that’s as hard as I’ve laughed all week. Fantastic stuff, and awesome of the Braves to reach out to them and get them into the fold for the opener of the big Mets series.

Now, baseball (noted transition from the Scribe): CR, you’re not grabbing for straws. Different pitching in the soup of Atlanta in August than pitching in the A/C of an indoor stadium. Hopefully, the Braves will bounce back and find their stride tonight. Webb’s tough. Braves need to have good ABs against him from the get-go and try to get Lance the lead.

Remember, win two out of three this weekend. 5-1 would be nice. 4-2 is more realistic. Just keep winning series, denizens, and everything will take care of itself.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

August 17, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Play two innings and then have all the fans stand up , do a rain dance , watch the heavens open up. An hour rain delay would get Webb out of the game and then we got a chance. Got to watch the video again , funny stuff Guys !

By AZBravoFan

August 17, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

I was listening to the Diamondbacks games yesterday and Tom Candiotti gave his analysis of how to beat Webb and sinkerballers like him. He says you have to try to wait on it, keep your hands “inside the ball”, and shoot it the other way. Otherwise you just beat grounders to short all night. Don’t know if the Braves hitters are up for that kind of approach. Who knows. I’d like to think this kind of game is such a mismatch that things might turn the other way. There’s no logic in that, but how many times have we seen Smoltz while he’s on a roll pitch against some no-name with a 6+ ERA and get beat? Way more than we should it seems like.

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

I can’t imagine that the Braves are going to let these guys sing this song without changing some lyrics. I’d hate to see it, but the PC Police will be out. I don’t think you can have a video playing on the Big HD Screen that says Scott Thorman stinks while Scott Thorman is sitting in the dugout. Same with Franco being old.

By Lew

August 17, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

On that catch last night-In real time it looked like he took away a double. On replay it looks like he robbed Andruw of a HR. Either way, is their a way to get that Dude in center for us next year? The Man is a great outfielder. He was all over our warning track power play last night.

By JasonInMaine

August 17, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Seriously, that was awesome…I hope the dudes become denizens…they seem to be some of the few that are as talented as some of our regulars like Lew, Bob J, Savannah Guy, SJA, CL, Braveheart, Paladin, Ron Roberts, DOB, Carrol R, JJS, etc.

That was a great way to end a Friday afternoon…I think I will leave work early!

By Paladin

August 17, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

RedeyedandBlue And you looked like such a nice, and polite, little tyke, too. What is that you have behind you? Is that your report card?

              Paladin aka Grumpy

By Robert

August 17, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Paladin - I dont personally address too many bloggers here. If I do, it’s a sign that I think you have at least half a functioning brain

Addressing DOB other than on rare occasions is a waste of time. He is a mouthpiece for his masters and I think it’s clear he has tacit instructions as to what he is not allowed to say.

By Shaun

August 17, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

BravesDave,

Point is, he’s getting “tattooed” virtually as much this season as he was last season but you (and others) don’t notice because you are mostly only looking at defense-dependent stats. You think the league has “figured him out.” No. His defense dependent stats have just regressed to where they should be.

By Paladin

August 17, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

OK, Robert, let’s let it go else we will both be accused of being Shaun-like.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 17, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Robert, all I can say is WOW!

By DAP

August 17, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

hey! ive got a question for everyone… how many games do you think it will take to win the wildcard?

i would love to beat the dastardly mets and win the division, but i really just want to get in the postseason. my goal for the braves right now is to win 90 games. to do this, they have to go 26-15 over the next 41 games. basically, they need to win every series.

my thought was, if they win 90, theyve got to get at LEAST the wildcard, right? what do ya’ll think?

By John Adcox

August 17, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

They actually worked in Yogi Berra. Made my whole week.

By Lew

August 17, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Now it is wonderful that these fans are receiving recognition for their fanness by the Braves. However, what of all of the best Braves fans in the world-US. When will the Braves heap recognition on The Man In Black Braves BBQ Blog? That is the question. We should present them their Wurlitzer portrait of Teixeira to much public fanfare, It is only right.

By flange1

August 17, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Very interesting stuff! Now we learn that DOB is a puppet on a string to be his master’s mouthpiece.

Interesting to see if the master is the AJC or the Braves or both.

Wonder if we are going to get into conspiracy theories next.

I can just see the next post—

Donk is a pawn of the corporate entity. DOB is the mouthpiece. All of us fans ans bloggers are actually sleeping in a massive storage dorm as alien creatures still our life force……

Or something like that….

By Paladin aka Grumpy

August 17, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

But, when we start handing out “cartoon” names to denizens, Shaun wins the Energizer Bunny sobriquet , hands down!

By RedEyedAndBlue

August 17, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Sorry to wake you from your slumber, Paladin. I effed up the GD formatting in my post. You were supposed to be ‘sleepy.’ But fifteen minutes later, I know the whole post was lame. I’d much rather be arguing about the merits of alcohol vs. weed or Willie Harris’ awesome base stealing ability (insert sarcasm here). Frankly, I could not believe that anybody would still be arguing about Chuck James almost a full day after that disasterous first inning.

By Bob, Journalist

August 17, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

The fact that we are what we are doesn’t mean that we should resign ourselves to that fate … it’s honorable to strive to improve but folly to pretend to be something we’re not … for we are the ones most likely to be fooled.

David Hume was what he was too … though he didn’t play in the National League, he probably reminds some folks of Hoss … he was a good switch hitting student of the game!

As one of the game’s innovators, he certainly deserves to be in the HOF … at least he’d get my vote … but, I’m not sure I’d want him on my team.

It’s difficult to say at which position he was best suited … a natural, deftly handling most positions, he could pitch a good game too, perhaps best known for his curves … he was what he was but it was always hard for me to figure out exactly what that was.

He’d certainly fit in well here on the blog, or at least he’d enjoy it, don’t you think?

By FanWithNoName

August 17, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

I apologize if this is a duplicate post.

Robert: You call Cox a donkey. I believe you’ve referred to him as the nose picker. With all due respect, how then can you expect anyone to believe “it’s business, not personal”? When it’s not personal you don’t stoop to name calling and slurs. Seems incongruous to me. If you hate his managerial style, fine, just keep the personal attacks out of it. Just my opinion and observation.

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Shaun, are you honestly trying to tell me that the third time around the league (more for in-division games), hitters do not get a better feel for timing a pitcher? Are you serious?? What gives then, with the Braves seemingly endless problems when they face a pitcher for the first time? Last season, Chuck was facing most hitters for the first time. He buzzed through the league pretty successfully (outside of some veteran teams like the Mets). This season, he is making his second and third starts of the season against some teams, and they are hitting him hard. Major league hitters can catch up to any fastball. A large difference in speed between a change or breaking pitch and a fastball makes it more difficult for a hitter. Chuck does not have this. Late movement makes it more difficult for a hitter. Chuck does not have this. When hitters see this guy for the third time in a game, or the 10-11th time over three games, they know what is coming and how to time it. Hence, HR DERBY.

Stats are nice, though.

By the way, James faced basically the same Giants lineup in his last start against them…no Bonds, no Vizquel, no Klesko.

By Eric from MO

August 17, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

BravesDave Im sure Thorman already knows he stinks and Franco must know he is old. So I dont see why they would have a problem with this song. How many other times will they be mentioned in a song. They should feel honored!

By Paladin aka Grumpy

August 17, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

“”Donk” is actually the sound made when Shaun and Robert butt heads.

By Paladin aka Grumpy

August 17, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

RedeyedandBlue I like Grumpy better, and I’m keeping it. :-)

BobJ I knew you would know it AND even pick it apart. I’d like to get you and my old Philosophy instructor together, but he is dead. But, come to think of it…:-) :-) :-)

By BamaBrave

August 17, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

OK…I suspect we won’t win tonight, primarily because Cormier is the latest weak link in our rotation. They’ll simply outscore us. But, it will be enlightening to see what our lineup does against this playoff-caliber starter. If we score 4 or more runs against Webb, I’ll be very encouraged at what that may mean down the line in October, when we’d have Smoltz or Hudson opposing him.

By TheSouthernPuppeteer

August 17, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Oh boy!…new puppets!!…

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

Bob, thanks for the 4:17…seems we’re not getting as much musing and waxing on the blog as previously, good to see some pop up, LOL!

I know some of the folks here find the non-baseball stuff somewhat irrelevant (a mindset to which I myself once subscribed, believe it or not), but I hope that one day they’ll succumb to the siren song of all the other topics. A good banana pudding thread oughta do it, I think.

There’s so much more to this forum than baseball, and I hate to think that any of its participants leave that money on the table.

By RedEyedAndBlue

August 17, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

OK…I suspect we won’t win tonight, primarily because Cormier is the latest weak link in our rotation. —>>

Never know, BamaBrave. Keep your head up; that’s why they make ‘em play the games.

MIB Blog got awfully quiet. Denizens must’ve headed to Happy Hour. Think I’ll do the same.

By Chop Chop

August 17, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

If I were Scott Thorman, this would be my response:

“I’m honored to be told I stink in song, especially when that song is an ode to the guy who is keeping me from getting any playing time. In fact, I’m so honored that I want to be traded to a team that will play me. Now don’t get me wrong, Braves fans…I’ve had a good laugh about that song. I’ve had some struggles this year (of which you are well-aware), but the power of music has helped me deal with those trials and tribulations. I’m really more of a Rush/Barenaked Ladies/Bryan Adams (I hear DOB’s a big fan. Talks about him all the time on the blog…) fan myself, but I certainly can appreciate a good attempt at humor. After all, I’m Canadian. Even so, Tex has been on the team for less than a month. Screw that guy, dammit. I’m Scott Freakin’ Thorman.”

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Eric from Mo, I can’t see the Braves brass letting it happen. I agree that Thorman must know he stinks. He is currently perfecting the three-pitch-strikeout. But I just can’t see everyone saying, sure go ahead, rip on a few guys sitting in the dugout. I don’t even think they would let them say an opposing player stinks. We are currently living in PC Bizarro World.

By michael

August 17, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

hahaha!!! very cool of those guys! glad the braves are taking them in and showing them a good time. that’s what this is all about. SO much better to see then checking in on the sports section every 10 mins. to see when the hammer falls on vick!

By Lindsey

August 17, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

That song is awesome!! I laughed the entire time!

By Ron

August 17, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Carroll They better not show that video to Thorman!!! They said he sucks!!! LOL!!! And they better not show it to Julio ONCE he gets back here, because they said he is old!!! LOL!!! When they play it again, are they gonna leave out those two parts? I hope they dont, but they probably will!!!

By Bob, Journalist

August 17, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Robert, you know that I am sincere, at least some of the time, and that I respect your opinions, indeed sharing some of your thoughts … we’ve been down that road before.

I don’t generally hold with the use of generic masks such as “FanWithNoName” but perhaps the 4:19 was so done in the hope that it would be better received rather than just being some poor soul without an name.

It may be a bit presumptive but methinks that there’s a lot of wisdom contained therein, albeit perhaps acceptance of a gambit … food for thought, if you will … though I would suggest the thought be this:

If it’s not personal, keep personalities out of it … regardless of form … failing to so do is amateurish at best, redundantly so doing is boorish.

Were your objective to assure that criticism be heaped upon Mr. Cox, business or personal, then surely you would have adopted a different and more effective strategy … however, methinks the misdirection is wasted when you become redundant in your defending explanations.

By journalist jimmy smith

August 17, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

the young singers are good. congratulations to the young singers! guests of the braves! gonna meet tushy. enjoy it while it lasts. like winning the blog tee shirt contest.

fame is fleeting, though. best to accept the wurlitzer from lew and hang the portrait on the wall. for many do not appreciate good singing when good singing is heard!! and fame is indeed fleeting. ride the hot pony while the pony still walks in a circle. for when the pony stops walking, the pony ride is over. unhitch that pony and let the pony eat. grease the gears of the pony wheel (can say that on a blog?) and make ready for another day and another pony ride. (much symbolism here - some bloggers may wish to read two times).

yes, some people do not appreciate good singing. imagine a disqualification at american idol tryouts! they are and idiot!

but good singing is had in this video. good singing and songwriting. this journalist has contributed many songs to this blog - one as recently as last night - but with no offer of free tickets to a game. journalist is saddended but realizes that journalist’s work is hidden on the dob/maninblack/toes/pie/musci/barbecue blog (sometimes dead monkey blog, too). sure, many of the songs may have been just a little controversial - but most featured the long-time face of the franchise and various bones or appendages that may have been hurting at the time.

journalist will watch with interest while these young fans are feted. (if going to be feeted best to be feeted by tushy than by chipper anyway - bad feet - and no telling the toe situation).

now, lew … it is a generous offer by lew to make wurlitzers for these young men. lew’s work is very nice. journalist thinks the wurlitzer should be presented by grinch. what say ye?

By Paladin aka Grumpy

August 17, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

I just want all of you to know that I know it all; I’ve done it all; I’ve seen it all, and I have heard it all. I just can’t remember it all.

By Lew

August 17, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Esteemed Journalist-Are these two young men ready for Grinch? Is the world ready for The Grinch? Oh, The Humanity. A Wurlitzer to be presented by the Grinch at a Mets game? I repeat. Is the world ready?

By Carroll Rogers

August 17, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

have a feeling a couple lyrics will change before they perform here….

but the song is getting cheers all around from inside the braves clubhouse.

tex has seen the video, said it was great. “those guys are talented….they have a good beat. some clever lyrics. i thought they were good.”

and frenchy said this, on why he reached out to these two guys: “I just thought it was cool. They’re my age. I could see myself and my buddies doing something stupid like that.” and he meant stupid as a compliment of course….

by the way - and it really shouldn’t need to be said - DOB ain’t nobody’s mouthpiece.

p.s. david justice around today for his induction ceremony. lots of love and hugs around the clubhouse. and peter moylan getting a little embarrassed while asking DJ for his autograph. hey, lots of these guys were braves fans first….anyway, big day for justice. just acknowledging it.

By Gustopher

August 17, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

Great Blog CR a very funny video

By Julia

August 17, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Wait a minute! I blog here fairly often. I have O-s-c-a-r-s but no WURLITZER. What must I do for a WURLITZER? Must I sing a song? Well, I’ve sung on Broadway so I can sure sing on this blog.

“Shriiiimp is a warm and tender thing. It’s the sammich that always makes my young heart sing. And if i have a pooch in the morniiiing —- at least i had fair warniiiing —- that sammiches of shrimp will give a girl a Poooooch! . . .”

By DonCoburleone

August 17, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Good point actually about the heat Carroll, there may be more to that than you think… The whole key is to make him work from the very first pitch. Patience, patience, patience. This could easily turn into one of those games where its 2-0 after 1 inning and then the Braves hitters start pressing; and before you know it you look up and it’s 3-0 in the 5th inning and Webb has only thrown 50 pitches. That is obviously the worst case scenario (well, actually 10-0 after 5 innings would be worst case, but you get my point). Just make sure they have to pull him after 7 or 8 innings cuz right now, I’d rather face anyone other than Webb…

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Wow Carroll, I wonder how Thorman feels about the rest of the clubhouse cheering the song. That is priceless. So many fans have wanted to tell Thorman that he stinks this season, now these guys have done it in a song…and the Braves are listening to it. Oh the irony.

Can someone write a song about Chuck James stinking up the pitching rotation (along with Lance Cormier, Jo Jo Reyes, Mark Redman, and Kyle Davies)? It can be a tribute to Buddy Carlyle. coming from the scrap heap and being the Braves new #3 starter. To get in all the details regarding the stank coming off of James and his pals, it would have to be a 10-minute epic.

By Bob, Journalist

August 17, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Scoots, thanks! … but you have me at a disadvantage … I claim total innocence … knowing that some of the folks on here find the non-baseball stuff somewhat irrelevant, my 4:17 was devoted almost entirely to baseball … no sirens, no songs, and no pudding!

I do plead guilty to starting that banana pudding thread last season … but, boy did I learn my lesson … all these folks want to use instant pudding, condensed milk and add cool whip … it wouldn’t surprise me none if they added cherries and nuts … probably like overripe bananas too.

I’ll bet most of them use marshmallows in their chocolate fudge recipes.

That’s sorta like comparing hitting long fly balls to playing baseball, don’t you think?

I know some folks have trouble understanding me, or at least so claim … so I want to make it perfectly clear … with service what it is nowadays, I don’t leave no money on the table.

By heath

August 17, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

as bad as that loss was last night…if the braves won 2 of 3 from here on out….they WOULD be in the placyoffs… the braves need to go back to concentrating on winning series…. let’s start with a win tonight! b-webb’s record ends tonight and the braves win a wild one!

By journalist jimmy smith

August 17, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

grinch would be a worthy representative of this blog. sure, there are others, but rosalynn is in spain and bob is in nashville and paul is in tennessee and lady is in carolina and guy is in savannah and jason is in maine and … bloggers get the point. grinch it is. free tickets for grinch? press pass? gets to eat cheese with dob and carroll in the press box? gets chipper’s autograph? (sorry , grinch, chipper only signs hides, so grinch will need to bring a sharpie and shave a suitable area for chipper to sign) will someone need to shoot grinch first before chipper will autograph? and what is the trade value of a signed grinch? many questions. many, many questions. beer. also, beer. grinch should get some beer for doing this.

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

August 17, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

I wanted to go get Rajai Davis this past off-season , glad to know the Giants were thinking along the same lines , smart trade on their part.

By Chop Chop

August 17, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

BravesDave, I believe Bob Dylan already wrote “Desolation Row”…

Speaking of “Desolation Row”, THAT surely would be a Wurlitzer-worthy parodistic undertaking, wouldn’t it? I’d be willing to offer up four or five verses in a collaborative effort. If anyone’s interested, send an e-mail to ksmithdawg@hotmail.com.

By DonCoburleone

August 17, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

He’s Chuck James b!tch!!! Just lay off the guy, he had a bad game, every pitcher is entitled to one… Were you people (BravesDave and others) really expecting Chucky to step in this season and be lights out? He is basically on par for what I thought he would be this year - somewhere between 10-15 wins with an ERA just below or just above 4… Am I wrong about that? What exactly were YOUR expectations for him this year BravesDave (and others who have been bashing him)…

By Paladin aka Grumpy

August 17, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

Lew jjs leaves you out of his “worthy representatives”? The heart ‘n’ soul of the wurlitzers? Oh,the humanity! I’d cheese his crackers if I were you. :-)

By Colin

August 17, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Braves need to win…the next 7 in a row…

By geauxbraves2000

August 17, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

That is a great video! Thanks Carroll.

Geaux Braves!!

By Ron Roberts

August 17, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Tick tick tick tick…Mardi Gras is only 5 1/2 months away.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

August 17, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Carroll,

Thanks for the clip and the story about said clip!!! :)

By bluebonnetmom

August 17, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

We are Teixeira fans from Texas (can’t believe he’s no longer a Ranger), but we are following this story! It is a very catchy tune. This is great!!!! Some good guys getting recognition from a MLB organization. It is all fun, and we wish you all this very best!! If we lived closer, we might even go to the game. Thanks for bringing more attention to it!

By The Grinch

August 17, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Greetings, all. That was indeed a humerous video. I am humbled that you all would choose me to present the Wurlitzer (even if it’s essentially by default)…let’s see how the idea is received. If it looks like it might happen, I’d be proud to. For free beer and a backstage pass, of course. :-) A Grinch has to have his standards.

Y’all be glad you weren’t at that game last night…ugly.

Julia, have you ever thought of hookin’ up with The Ladies Man? I’m sure he’d be happy to buy you a shimp sandwich.

By Lew

August 17, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Paladin-No, The Esteemed Journalist realizes I won’t be traveling from Vermont to Atlanta for any presentation. It will have to be The Grinch. Of course, if the AJC is afraid to have Grinch, we could send KC as his handler. After all the blog hits (advertising) we account for on this blog, don’t you think that the AJC could make this happen? After all, I would provide the art. Of course, the AJC WOULD have to do more than offer a fake T Shirt contest.

By NRBQ

August 17, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Musical selection for Carrol’s Blog

I hate to see you with a girl like that, Well, she drags your laundry through the street, Never washes your feet.

I hate to see you with a girl like that, Cause she don’t know much about you, She don’t know how to be true.

I know it’s hard findin’ girls, In this modern world. When you lost your true, Well, it hurt me, too,

Do you remember when you were choosy, And she had to have character. Don’t you recall when our girls all Had soul beyond compare?

I hate to see you with a girl like that, She stands around in spurts. Never washes your shirts.

Yes, I hate to see you with a girl like that, She should never open her mouth. She’s a one-way ticket south.

I know it’s hard finding smiles, When you know all the while, That this love you seek, Was never meant to be.

Do you remember when you were choosy, And she had to have character. Don’t you recall when our girls all Had soul beyond compare?

I hate to see you with a girl like that, Cause she don’t do nothin’ but complain. She hears all music the same.

Well I hate to see you with a girl like that, Cause she gives you nothin’ but the blues. She can’t even shine your shoes.

I hate to see you with a girl like that, She drags your laundry though the streets. And never washes your feet.

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

OK, DonC, what were my expectations for him?? Well, considering that he won 11 games last season in less than a full season, I hoped that he would win 15 this season. I hoped his ERA would be similar to last season. Unfortunately, I was not certain how realistic those hopes were.

I don’t think we can just look at the overall stats at the end of a season and say “he met expectations”. If your expectations for John Smoltz were that he would go 18-10 and have a 2.90 ERA, but he started 14-0 with a 1.50 ERA and then imploded down the stretch and finished 4-10 with a 5.00 ERA, would you say that he met expectations?? The fact is that Chuck has given up 4 runs or more in 6 innings or less in 4 straight starts. Not exactly a good string of starts.

Last season he pitched 6 innings or more in 12 of 18 starts. This season, he has done it only 10 out of 25 starts.

By Frank Sinatra

August 17, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Paladin The Chairman of the Board says you can’t go to bed tonight at 8. This is Carroll’s blog. She’s a sweet dame. A man never lets a dame see you yawn.

BH

By PHX2ATL*@

August 17, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

As someone who has newly relocated to Atlanta from Phoenix, I am excited to attend my first game at Turner Field, hopefully to see my Diamondbacks build their lead in the NL WEST. I love Atlanta, but I promise you Webb can handle the HEAT.

By PHX2ATL*@

August 17, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

As someone who has newly relocated to Atlanta from Phoenix, I am excited to attend my first game at Turner Field, hopefully to see my Diamondbacks build their lead in the NL WEST. I love Atlanta, but I promise you Webb can handle the HEAT.

By journalist jimmy smith

August 17, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

lew, please don’t bring up that ill-fated tee shirt contest. imagine a tee shirt contest with no tee shirt prizes. a contest stopped overnight with no warning. and the winners? not even a congratulatory canned ham! perhaps dob can make it up to the bloggers by showing grinch a good time at the game. grinch can wear grinch’s yelllow shoes. dob should invite grinch into the press area and allow grinch to sample all the cheeses. perhaps dob or carrolll can introduce grinch to the old journalist while there is still time (before the old journalist goes back to st. simons. what was dob thinking?). and pennants - dob should buy grinch some pennants and some cotton candy. then, take grinch down to the dugout so hoss can sign grinch.

By Carolina Lady

August 17, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Maybe they could work in a line about Bobby “sittin’ and pickin’ enough to scare ya…”.

Grinch gets beer only AFTER the presentation!!! No negotiation on this one, Grinch! Oh, the humanity, indeed!

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Bob…roger that, and aye aye. Factually defensible, for sure!

Julia, can a pooch be pivotal?

Tex throws open a can full of angst and slathers Webb with it tonight, in honor of his tuneage. That’s my guess, I’m guessin’.

And as a fan of the ole shrmip sammich, I hate to see you with a girl like that.

By Carroll Rogers

August 17, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

my weather theory might be out the window. it sprinkled a bit here during bp and is overcast. it’s cooled down quite a bit. dare i even say it’s slightly pleasant?

By Carolina Lady

August 17, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

Another thought: shouldn’t ssiscribe be with Grinch for this shindig? We know the scribe has a level head on his shoulders and can be trusted to stay sober……. We all know and love Grinch, but…..there will be alcohol available…..and…..well, just a thought….. :-)))

By Julia

August 17, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

GRINCH, it is n-ic-e to hear from you. I do not think that it would work out with the Ladies Man because, as you probably know, he was employed in radio and most of those radio types are all pudgy and poochy and have let themselves go. No, it would not work.

GOOD LUCK at the game. I hope you get on television.

By Savannah Guy

August 17, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

There’s Just No Way You Can Make This Stuff Up. (If you just checked in and are pressed for time, here’s a few little side-recaps from the last blog to get you started tonight.)

ijonathan: ”…15 years, with a 28% probability. However, a more appropriate and typical use of the binomial distribution yields these probabilities: Cox would have won AT LEAST 2 championships with a 71% probability, and AT LEAST 3 championships with a 43% probability. Cox has definitely underperformend.”

Robert: ”the same lethal flaw, has been wrong with the Braves for 17+ years. Bobby “Donk” Cox.”

(Conclusion: Uh…pretty much the same, just a measly two years difference in the test. Different articulation, but, well…same idea. Both great posts. Then, on an unrelated matter, across town…)

Shaun: ”Can we move the “conversation” to something besides Chuck James, please?” (translated: time out, let me gather my stats now).

(43 bloggers faint. Then, 157 follow up posts by Shaun on the topic of Chuck James later…interrupted by multiple blogger giggles and jabs about his unusual request…then the window opens into Shaun’s servo mechanisms…)

Shaun: “Sorry. Last post should have said the not so reliable ones are defense dependent.”

(Freudian nightgown? Defense dependent? Hmmm… Then, Shaun caps it off nicely): ”Only time will tell if James has those same problems. He very well could. He is a pitcher, after all.”

(Conclusion: Chuck James is a pitcher.)

Another Unrelated Posting: “I WORKED FOR ONE OF THE LARGEST INVESMENT BANNKERS FOR 12 YEARS. HAD A GREAT TIME DOING IT UNTIL THE NASDAQ TOOK AWAY THE SPREADS.”

(Conclusion: NNasdaq didnn’t wannt innvestment bannkers nnoodlin’ with the spreads, damnnit!)

Unlikely Paths Cross: An Unholy Convergence?

Shaun: “You need to look at more besides basic stats. Dig a little deeper into CONTEXT. Stats without context are just meaningless numbers.”

(75 bloggers faint, then…one blogger replies)

Robert: “And this just in. Beezelbub plunks Lucifer with an icicle as minor demons scurry around making snowmen and Judas Iscariot makes snow angels.”

(My ribs are hurting…I spit up my Diet Coke…it’s all over my pants…stop, STOP, please, PLEASE, No more….and then, just when I’m finally calming down thinking how I can’t take much more, Larry Merchant walks in at 3:32 and calls a great match…Now I’m on the floor laughing my azz off. Can’t catch my breath…STOP…STOP…My eyes are watering…my ribs hurt again…I can’t take any more.)

Then a new blog appears: Ahhh, finally…new blog, things should calm down…wait…what’s this? Click… TEX DITTY…noooooooo…owwwwwwwww!!!

Conclusion…Priceless Folks, that’s why I love this blog. Where else can you find this theatre? You can’t make this stuff up. Who would believe it if you did? Sidesplitting roll-on-floor hilarious at times. That’s what it is…and priceless. And now the Tex Ditty Wurlitzer…WOW! These guys grab the big W prize from Lew hizzone self! Blog kudos rampant. I live for this! Don’t stop…my side is ok now…no more Diet Coke…let’s have more…please. It’s ALL GOOD. Go BLOG…GO TEX…GO BRAVES!!!

By Salty

August 17, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

If the creator of the Wurlitzer can’t deliver said Wurlitzer on behalf the Braves/MIB blog….well…that’s just plain wrong. No place for martydom…no, no, no. AJC/Braves, pony up for Lew to make the presentation…if for no less reason than to chaperone The Grinch! ;-)

Besides…the denizens will fill the seats that night…guaranteed…and we’l see baseball, too!

By Steve Irwin

August 17, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this

Crikey! Look at this nasty bugger. Oooh, look at his teeth. He’s a nasty bugger, ain’t he? What’s your name mate? Bravesdave is his name. Ooh, look at him kill that horse. Terri, we might have to call the Carolina Lady to dispose of another dead horse. It’s best not to interfere with a bravesdave when he is attempting to kill and then beat a dead horse. But the Crocodile Hunter likes this horse called Chuck James like he used to like his mate Damian Moss. Peter Moylan is me favorite mate. Moylan and Crocodile Hunter are going to save the Chuck James horse from death and a beating by bravesdave. Will you all join me? We don’t want the Carolina Lady to have to bury the Chuck James horse. Crikey, this nasty bugger is in a foul mood. And, please, no trades for Devil Rays. I don’t have much luck with them rays, mate. bh

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

CL, you’re harshing a l’il too much on the Grinchster! A sly, slick, and wicked dig on the Grinch from you, LOL. While he may have his peccadilloes (a rumor unsubstantiated to this reader), he’s honorable enough to be more-than-a-little-close-to-sober for such an important presentation.

I make it 6-and-half-to-5, easy. :-)

By journalist jimmy smith

August 17, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

a blogger thinks calling bobby a “nose picker” is personal. not so! not when bobby brings it into the living room each night on tv! probing, digging, scraping, pulling. index finger, ring finger, thumbs! that is some nasty business. when bloggers call this man the best in all of baseball it is hard to imagine the best, two knuckles deep, in the best’s nose. sorry, but nose picking ain’t cultured. now, alternatives to nose picking: scratching, farting, spitting, adjusting - all these are expected on the ball field or in the dugout. nose picking, though, is not something one would expect . nose picking is just not nice social behavior. imagine cubby caray picking cubby’s nose on tv! (out would come a cub) that’s still not good baseball behavior. sorry this booger discussion had to take place while carroll is running the blog. toughening carroll up for the playoffs.

By Lew

August 17, 2007 7:39 PM | Link to this

Ma’am-SSI Scribe will be out of town that day. It must be Grinch and KC.

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

What would happen if the AJC sponsored a wet t shirt contest? I’m guessing not a whole lot of t shirts. Sign me up!

By Colin

August 17, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this

Big game considering the Muts are playing the Nats and Philly is playing the Bucos

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

Salty’s right…a Wurlitzer prez without Lew? Nope, sorry, huh-uh…bubba, that just ain’t right. Grinch is a worthy rep, and I applaud the choice; but Lew, Grinch, a Wurlizer, and two idiot War Eagles on the same bill? I’d pay TWO dollars for THAT barn dance!

By La Drosophile

August 17, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

Je suis un homme, je suis un Français, ou une mouche et j’ai vu la chanson Tex et donc je dois demander, pourquoi aurait-il tort ainsi d’aimer ce grand, fort, joli homme ? Il est si joli, vous ne pensez pas ? Bobby se l’appelle-t-elle “tushy” ? C’est gai ?

By The Grinch

August 17, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

CL, the last time Scribe chaparoned the Grinch…well. Less said, the better. :-) No beer ‘till after the presentation? How about a mixed drink or two, then?

By Lew

August 17, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

The question is this-Will The AJC (in return for all of those blog hits/advertising) go along with our plan? They were not, as the Esteemed Journalist so correctly pointed out, less than on the ball with the fake T Shirt contest (as opposed to a wet T Shirt contest). It certainly will not cost AJC anything other than influence with the Braves, who are already presenting much to the songwriters. Should we raise a hue and cry to get them to pull the strings to have Grinch and KC admitted as guests to present the Wurlitzer. Should Carroll and DOB not plead our cause in the Halls of the AJC? The denizens certainly think so.

By Ron Roberts

August 17, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN: Lance Cormier’s ERA just dipped under 13!

By Paladin aka Grumpy

August 17, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this

I stand corrected, as usual. But, a true representative of this blog? Lew * *Lew Lew. That’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it.

By Eric C.

August 17, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this

bh, you are tasteless.

By Carolina Lady

August 17, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

Grinch, you are so right! This lady had forgotten the scribe’s evening!! And morning…. OH the husbanity!! OK, KC, we’re countin’ on you!

Scoots, no, just kidding with Grinch.

Sorta.

LOL!! (All in fun!)

By Lew

August 17, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

Scoots-I appreciate your wanting me to present, but after doing two Wurlitzer portraits for one prize, I will be too tired to attend. It must be Grinch and KC. Besides, The Grinch is a much more imposing presence- (Think Cave Bear amongst the Vermont Teddy Bear Factory). No, it must be The Grinch. KC should be able to Optimistic him into his place.

By TexasBrave

August 17, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

Ok who here walks Drew who is batting .232 to get to the pitcher? I mean this early in the game try and get Drew out and then have Webb lead off the next inning.

Also how long has it been since anyone has seen the batter in the six hole sac bunt this early in the game. Do the D-Backs know something we don’t?

Oh and Ron, Lance’s ERA in now under 12.

By Paladin aka Grumpy

August 17, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

I’m going to bed, so let the digs begin. It won’t hurt my sleep and all of you can kiss my patootie. Except for the most esteemed lady. And I kiss her hand.

By Monsieur duPont

August 17, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

Je suis un Français vrai. Je n’aime pas Teixeira. Mais j’aime toutes les choses françaises. Ainsi, naturellement, mon affection est pour Francoeur et Cormier. Et où est LaRoche ? Je suis triste qu’il soit allé.

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

Lew, very well, as you say and make it so. But let’s not juxtapose “presence” and “Grinch”…that’s much too similar to “veteran presence” and we all know the blog’s temper on THAT!

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

G’Nite, Paladin, you old huckleberry you.

By John Kerry

August 17, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

I believe that the Braves and Phillies are flip-floppers. First, the Braves are ahead of the Phillies, then they are behind them. They need to make up their minds.

By Colin

August 17, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

HAHAHA his ERA back above 13…probably…wow…WE HAVE NO GOOD PITCHERS

By Lew

August 17, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this

Scoots-Have you ever seen The Grinch? Cave Bear is not far from the truth if he still has his beard-or possibly that Guy with all the hair in BC. Grizzly Adams would feel an immediate affinity.

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

I believe that the Braves and Phillies are flip-floppers. First, the Braves are ahead of the Phillies, then they are behind them. They need to make up their minds.

Mr. Kerry, the Braves will make up their minds as soon as the denizens do. Too many denizens vote for the Braves before they vote against the Braves.

By journalist jimmy smith

August 17, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this

oh, the humanity! would that a third person presentation be acceptable … this journalist could certainly do that with diplomacy and respect. but this journalist is still reeling from rejection and remains unavailable - even to serve as backup (pip) to the young singers.

tip: young singers should choreograph and get some shuffling going a la pip. sitting on the sofa won’t cut it.

alas, there have been too many cheese related posts by this journalist to gain dob’s endorsement for such a backup singer responsibility anyway.

grinch certainly is less controversial on this blog than jimmy smith who will occasionally reference anne cox chambers.

now, jimmy smith has to ask dob: anne COX chambers. like bobby COX. is anne cox chambers a nose picker?* can answer by e-mail if uncomfortable with this one, dob.

By A--ville Ranger

August 17, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this

I hope my earlier assessment of this offense being able to work the better pitchers turns out to be accurate.Truth is since I’ve been paying close attention to how they approach the top guys they’ve often looked impatient and over-matched.Don’t get me wrong I get the fact that the real good pitchers are…well real good.The best team in a generation the 98 Yanks are the standard for these things and they could work a pitcher…any pitcher.

By DonCoburleone

August 17, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN: Brandon Webb is GOOD!

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this

Colin: I hope you were joking in your 8:11 pm post. If not, you will fit right in here with all the other crybabies.

Hopefully that was sarcasm.

By DonCoburleone

August 17, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this

We don’t stand a chance in this game - ZERO - ITS OVER… Please just don’t let Webb get another complete game shutout. The only guy even close to me in my fantasy baseball league has him on his roster…

By zimo z

August 17, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

Brandon Webb is GOOD!

Does the pitcher get out the batters or do the batters get out themselves?

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

DonC You might be right. Dude is a real stud. BUT, if we can show a little bit of patience, maybe we can get to the bullpen, where we might have a better shot with them.

He has 50 pitches through 4 innings. Gotta get a few more looks in the next couple of innings.

Cormier is looking pretty good so far. Hopefully he will get out of the 5th unscathed.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 8:48 PM | Link to this

zimo z: Most of these major league hitters are there for a reason. These were the best of the best when in school (HS and College). So, I suspect it is more the pitcher getting out the hitter, but sometimes it seems like it is the other way around (see Andruw Jones in 2007).

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

zimo z

just like I told you (AJ hits into a DP!) Sometimes it IS the other way around.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

Shaun: Can you find out who leads the league in hitting into DP’s?

By Kim

August 17, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

Don’t feel like looking it up, but what is the record for double plays hit into in a season?

If Aj doesn’t have it yet, he has got to be onb pace. Who didn’t see that coming??

He is like the pitcher, at least we can leadoff with him 8 batters away next inning.

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

“Patience” is the LAST characteristic you want against a pitcher such as Webb. He’s throwing four strikes every five pitches; let him set the tone and pitch ahead in the count, and he’ll carve you up. You have to be aggressive in the zone against a guy like this if you expect to get good hacks.

If he gets you out early, so be it. Show “patience” waiting for a hitter’s count, and you got no chance.

By Julia

August 17, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

Big and hairy? GRIZZLY ADAMS? I need to meet Mr. Grinch. I could make a c-e-l-e-b-r-i-ty appearance if it would help. Big and hairy? Tell me more about this GRINCH. Is he handsome like Lyle? Does he have a POOCH? I hate a POOCH! People let themselves go and the next thing you know - radio POOCH! It makes me CRAZY!!

Let DOB know I will come to Atlanta for the presentation. Maybe he can introduce me to his new girlfriend.

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

Anyone else think the Zambrano signing has disaster written all over it for the Cubs? That guy is real good but something about that guy just would not make me wanna hand over $90 mil in a long term contract. He’s an injury or headcase explosion waiting to happen. No way that contract does not come back to haunt the Cubs.

By parks

August 17, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

very impressive so far from Lance.

By Colin

August 17, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this

ANDRUW IS THE MAN IF HE CAN DO It…Well he sure the heck isent showin it..he is terrible…

By ronbilly bob bobbitt

August 17, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this

maybe this smith character could sing cry me a river in honor of all those crybaby braves fans that never turn out for a game but cry a river

By La Drosophile

August 17, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Monsier duPont: si vous êtes vraiment le français, donc vous aimeriez aussi les crêpes et les vins fragrants des nombreuses régions de vin, avec beaucoup de cheeses parfaits, coqaux vin et pate. Mais vous devez donner notre courant d’abord baseman une chance. Peut-être il peut vous gagner avec quelques courses de famille,non?

By MEB

August 17, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Great to see a couple of homeboys do well and be recognized by the Braves and AJC for their talent. Very catchy tune and one that will no doubt draw rave reviews at the Ted. I do think that we should assemble as many of DOB’s MIB bloggers as possible in the plaza for the Wurlitzer presentation. Of course we’ll be recognizable wearing our Braves caps and invisible T-shirts. Should be quite a sight. Oh, the humanity!

GO BRAVES!!! (Let’s get some runs!)

By journalist jimmy smith

August 17, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

grinch clean up will begin. grinch, please report to north carolina for grooming. grinch must make a good appearance while representing this blog. carolina lady should be able to turn grinch into john boy by game time :-).

By chrisklob

August 17, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, I gotta agree with you on the Zambrano situation. He’s a very passionate guy but that comes off sometimes as being hard-headed and difficult to deal with. Jeez, just seeing his little outburst against Barrett is enough for me to not want him on my team.

The man is talented, very talented actually but that contract is for a loooong time (six years, I think). I’ll bet when it’s all said and done, it’s not going to be a good one for the Cubs.

By Colin

August 17, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

i wish we had Zambrano thats all i got to say about that

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

Braveheart: I’m thinking the same thing on Zambrano.

ncscoots: You might be right about hopping on the first pitch. (unless of course your name is Andruw, then you want to just leave the bat on your shoulders so that you do minimum damage with a man on first!)

By SiliValley Brave

August 17, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

Rajai Davis (dude who made the oustanding catch against Andruw yesterday) just hit his first ML homer.

He was acquired from the Pirates for Matt Morris not too long ago. He is very good defensively (you saw it) and he is batting .327 with OBP over .400. 13 SB in 16 attempts. And in less than 100 AB’s.

Too bad the Braves couldn’t have picked him up (for Davies, maybe). They would have a solid CF and leadoff batter for years to come.

By Colin

August 17, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

Webb hit the ball harder than any one of our guys so far

By Carroll Rogers

August 17, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

fyi, andruw is not in the top 10 in the NL in double plays hit into. Chipper is tied for sixth with 17. and mccann is tied for eighth with 16.

By Double Plays

August 17, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this

All time leader for GIDP, Henry Aaron.

By Lew

August 17, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this

Julia-I don’t know if The Grinch has a date, or not. You’ll have to ask him, but he does claim to be accomodating to the ladies. Now Journalists- Would presenting a Wurlitzer to Carroll for Substitute Blogging perhaps tip the balance in our direction? Would it buy Carroll’s cooperation? I’d be glad to present her with a Wurlitzer for her help. She could remind the AJC just how much advertising this blog sells for Mrs. Cox Chambers (remember multiple 1,000 post blogs-MULTIPLE). Canned Hams are wonderful, but we need access for the Grinch and KC (or Julia, if Grinch needs a date). Maybe Julia could use a Canned Ham. They make great sammiches, if thinly sliced.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Alright guys, it’s the heart of the order coming up. Let’s do some tomahawkin’!

By heath

August 17, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

lance deserves a better fate than what he is going to get tonight…lance is pitching well enough to win, unless it’s a game against webb… well, maybe this is a sign of good things to come from lance!

By A--ville Ranger

August 17, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

ncscoots nonsense!! patience isn’t aways about taking pitches,it’s about plate coverage,fouling off good pitches,etc.I’ve seen enough hacking away to know it’s not the best approach against a really good pitcher.

By Monsieur duPont

August 17, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

La France a été envahie par l’Allemagne beaucoup de fois. Par conséquent je ne fais pas confiance au “garçon à la maison en haut”. Ou ainsi il s’appelle.

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Wayne, once again you show excellent judgment by agreeing with me, LOL. Just need a bloop and a blast, these guys can’t hit a lick.

By zimo z

August 17, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

Surely, you must wonder:

Am I the only person blogging here and all the other posts are actually created by Dave O’Brien? Even Carroll Rogers.

By A--ville Ranger

August 17, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

Tex fouled three off and drew a walk while making Webb work for once…I rest my case.

By Colin

August 17, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

WELL it was a good effort to end his streak but i guess we wont be able to do it…

By Greg in TN

August 17, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

Evening folks…

Wonderful vid over on YouTube on Tex and I am glad to see the Braves honoring those guys. In fact Boog is mentioning it now on the telecast.

Chuck James went to the post last night, but didn’t get out of the gate. It’s frustrating to see what happened without Mr Asterisk in the lineup and I agree with the points made by those denizens mentioning that Chuck needs to have another pitch. You can change speeds and live off of a fastball and change if you hit your spots and have a little action on your heater, but if not, well last night was the prime example of what can happen. I think Chuck will work on his location and get that third pitch.

Brandon Webb is exactly as advertised, however a pleasant surprise tonight in the body of work by Cormier. Six hits and one run against the Western Division leaders is nothing to sneeze at in the least.

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

Lew, the problem is Carroll is going to want a Wurlitzer of Mike Mussina. Rumor is she thinks he’s dreamy.

By Savannah Guy

August 17, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

Braveheart Right on Cuz…Zambrano will go out one day to check his mail, see a letter of no consequence from someone like the IRS, and he will explode. Walking time bomb (say on blog?).

Think we could talk ncscoots and ssiscribe to hold the “bevity session” in January in, say…Argentina? Or Costa Rica? That way when we take our 30 minute lunch breaks we can have a cigar and enjoy the warm breeze? Little umbrella drinks at the end of the day?

By BubbaAllred

August 17, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

This game reminds me of the 90’s. Back in the Atlanta starting rotation glory days. It’s been a while since we lost a game 1-0.

By Six Four Three

August 17, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Cormier has pitched brilliantly tonight. It’s a shame that he’s up against Webb. Let’s hope it’s a sign of what we’ll see more often from Cormier.

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

Ranger, did I say anything about hacking? You are somewhat confused, sir. And your definition of “patience” is somewhat broad, shall we say? But as you wish. I have no desire to engage.

By Braves Fan 79

August 17, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

Lets hope Webb is tired and we see a reliever in the 8th

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

I’m starting to wonder how many languages a certain blogger can speak. Amazing. That’s Mutumboesque.

I’m also starting to wonder when the TBS after the game blogger is going to do a bit about While You Were Sleeping for Paladin.

By chrisklob

August 17, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

zimo z, very astute observation! You have cracked the code!

Actually, all the other posts are computer generated. It’s the only way to keep you interested in the blog. The system uses an artificial intelligence program to create “conversations” between “bloggers”. Ingenious, don’t you think!

Enjoy your blogging experience on the DOB/MIB blog ONLY at the ajc.com!

By Braves Fan 79

August 17, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

well that sucks…i thought we had a good chance making up 1 run.

By Colin

August 17, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

GOOD NIGHT ATLANTA…SEE YA TOMORROW…

By SiliValley Brave

August 17, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this

OK - before tonight, Webb is 12-8 with a 2.7 ERA. That is overall. So, against the average team, he wins 60% of the time and gives up almost 3 earned runs per 9 innings.

The Braves are supposed to be (much?) better than average. And are the home team. So, one would expect the Braves to score 3 or more runs against him.

The Braves don’t seem to rise to the occasion, do they?

By tylerwoods

August 17, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

Way to go Bobby…Leave him in an inning too long like always.

By Lew

August 17, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

Braveheart-If that’s what it takes then she shall have her Mussina portrait. We need access. She must intercede with AJC and the Braves.

By geauxbraves2000

August 17, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

1-0 was the cake, 3-0 is the proverbial icing.

Nite All.

Geaux Braves!!

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

Oh, wow, LOL. Thanks, Lance, for letting me make that last post before giving up that dinger, LMAO.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Too bad for Cormier. He was keeping it down good, before that blast.

That dumb manager of ours kept him in too long I guess!!!

Cormier dropped his ERA from 13 to 9.90 with this outing. Could have been better, if not for his manager having too much confidence in him.

:-)

By Julia

August 17, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Reading this Frenchy’s post reminds me of a sammich I ate in France - pate de foie gras. It was a pasty mess but very t-a-s-t-y. I prefer a good SHRIMP SAMMICH but I will be having no more SHRIMP SAMMICHES. Maybe the little French sammich would be less of a POOCHER if you know what I mean. I hope DOB will have some sammiches for Grizzly, I mean Grinch, and me at the ballpark. KC, honey, you bring the barbecue sauce.

By chipdip

August 17, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!4 1/2 back!!!!!!!!!!

By TexasBrave

August 17, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

Well I don’t care what anyone else says, that is one hell of an outing by Lance. I am surprised that Bobby let him go out into the 8th. Usually he yanks them with 90 pitch count. Also take into effect that he pitched 4 plus innings last time. But good outing, kept us in the ballgame and we should have received some run support.

By Dwight Fry

August 17, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

Great! Moylan should have come in immediately after the Jackson single.

Cormier was up around 100 pitches and we couldn’t afford to give up another run.

Bobby Cox does it again.

By A--ville Ranger

August 17, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

This team needs a Paul O’niell in the worst way.You guys can tip your caps and say we put up a good effort if you want.What I saw was a team beat by the idea of Webb…fight ? I havn’t seen it,not by the hitters.

By eric the elder

August 17, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

When a guy has been scuffling, isn’t the conventional wisdom to give him fives after 7 innings of great work and let him have something to build on next time out?

I was shocked to see Cormier go back out there for the 8th inning. If we get no runs, it makes no difference, of course, but I hope Cormier’s confidence didn’t take a hit.

By parks

August 17, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

SiliValley Brave Webb has now thrown 40 straight scoreless innings. That 4 1/2 freaking games. I’d say he is hot right now

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

tylerwoods: you are first to start the whining. “that dummy manager of ours has screwed up again!”

Let the whining begin…

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

SG, you nailed it on Costa Rica for the road trip. Beaches there are g-o-r-g-e-o-u-s, as Julia might say. Real Cohibas available, too, and major babes to sell ‘em to you. Book it, Dano!

By Mutumbo

August 17, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

我最喜欢的语言是中文!

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this

A real shame that Cormier gave up that last dinger. It would have been nice for him to throw 7 innings of 1-run ball. Loss or no loss, it would have been great for his confidence. Instead, he leaves giving up a moonshot. Too bad.

4.5 games out of first, 1.5 games out of second. Not good.

Thanks for the attention, Steve Irwin. It would have been a better post if it was a little humorous, though.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this

SiliValley (where is that?) Too many stats, my friend. When a pitcher is “on” it doesn’t matter who he is up against.

By Colin

August 17, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

thankfully they have there scrubs pitchin the next 2 nights

By La Drosophile

August 17, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Monsieur duPont : Oui mon camarade estimé, encore il doit être tenu responsable des péchés d’et de l’impérialisme de ses aïeux. Je suis tant allemand que français. Pouvez-vous imaginer la lutte intérieure ? Crêpes et knockwurst ? Oh, l’humanité!

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Savannah, funny you should say that. I was talking to a friend a little bit ago about how much we need to get the heck out of here in the winter. Those spots you mentioned sound perfect. You pick the good weather location and I’m there.

First lesson of the brevity session is going to be ncscoots becomes simply scoots, ssiscribe is simply scribe, you are simply Savannah, and my moniker will be shortened to rave because of my propensity to be a raving lunatic.

By Andy

August 17, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

That was a pretty good performance by Cormier… 7 1/3 innings, 8 hits 3 runs, better than i expected.

By The Grinch

August 17, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

Just woke up from a brief nap…Cormier deserves better.

Julia, there are those who say I look even better than Kyle. Alas, I have a pooch…more like a Bull Mastiff, really. :-)

Do I really have to be groomed? Is CL gonna shave my back? Do I have to hang out with that doubting Thomas KC? BLAH! This almost sound like more trouble than it’s worth. I demand my choice of three Braves girls as compensation.

By Savannah Guy

August 17, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

Win or lose, Cormier looks like a number 3.

By Six Four Three

August 17, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

As dominant as Cormier had been, you definitely leave him in and give the bullpen a break. Heck, he hadn’t even thrown 100 pitches. He simply grooved a 3-1 fastball right down the middle of the plate for a 460 ft HR. Of course, we keyboard coaches, much like Monday morning quarterbacks, always make the right calls.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

you folks never disappoint me…..keep up the second guessing and whining….your doing a great job!!

AJ is so predicable. Fouling off ball 4…..

By bill

August 17, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this

Great,great game Lance keep it going. Another screw up by Bobby Cox. Why wasn’t he taken out after 7 inning’s? That was enough considering his injury. If the Braves can get seven good inning’s from the starters they will be o.k.

By zimo z

August 17, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

This team needs a Eugene O’Neill in the worst way.

They are headed for a Long Day’s Journey into Night.

By Fat Elvis

August 17, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

Priscilla, Cormier was TCB tonight baby. But that Reynolds cat was TCB in a flash right there. Still waiting for that baby to land over here in Graceland anytime now.

By Double Plays

August 17, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

Julia, last time we were together, I could turn my harley around in your snatch. Is that nasty gash still as gaping as the Grand Canyon?

By BubbaAllred

August 17, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

I’m not one to be down on Bobby, but … Why does he waste relievers? Why not let Moylan pitch the 9th. I can understand changing pitchers in pinch hitting situations and for righty lefty matchups, but I think he changes them out too often.

By A--ville Ranger

August 17, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

ncscoots your idea of patience is rather simple…shall we say.

By GermanBravesFan

August 17, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

Robert - I saw some of your posts on the last blog. If you really don’t have anything personal against Bobby Cox, why are you calling him names (a name) then? No need for that either…

By journalist jimmy smith

August 17, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

toe injury number one on the diamondbacks. not a pretty sight.

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

It has been very enjoyable watching Chris Young, with his .230 batting average, absolutely destroy our pitching staff over the past four games with the Diamondbacks. He is only hitting .500 with four home runs against the Braves this season.

Amazing. We should have pitched Chuck James again tonight, maybe Young would have hit five home runs.

By SiliValley Brave

August 17, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah

SiliValley = Silicon Valley

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

diaz, harris, kj, chipper, tex, baby huey, frenchy……

it could happen. (probably won’t, but it could!)

By A--ville Ranger

August 17, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

zimo Are you suggesting the team would play-write with Eugene on it ?

By Savannah Guy

August 17, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this

Rave…uh, BH..no, um…Cuz: Yep. Actually Vegas isn’t quite my cup’o tea. It’s great fun I’m sure but it ain’t changin’ lattitudes and attitudes quite the same.

No, not Rave. Braveheart is right and is as it should be.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

Congratulations B Webb! Great game. Now, go do it against somebody ahead of us! (don’t know their schedule)

By A--ville Ranger

August 17, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

Hey didn’t Tip O’neal play some college ball ?

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

Buddy needs to be the man tomorrow night. Maybe AJ needs a day off??? I would love to see a lineup with Millie Hiaz playing.

Cormier deserved much better. Can’t ask for much better from your 4-5 man.

Good night, my friends.

By Braves20

August 17, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

Just can’t get it right. We waste a good pitching performance by Cormier which would have kept us in the game last night and James’ batting practice session wouldn’t have made any difference against Cy Webb.

By Savannah Guy

August 17, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this

Can we trade Woodward and Thorman for Webb? No? Ok, we add Yates? No? Maybe we throw in Marta? No? Ok then…add all land in Georgia south of Thomasville? Deal?

By zimo z

August 17, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

If Eugene O’Neill were on the Braves, he would likely be the closer and nicknamed the “Iceman”.

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

August 17, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Tip your cap to Brandon Webb , he kicked our butts. Third place , 4.5 back and the next 12 games will make or break this team.

By Wayne in Utah

August 17, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Now, now, BravesDave, somebody might mistake your comments as being negative, when actually, you were just praising Chris Young!

:-)

By Ron Roberts

August 17, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this

Looks like Lance earned another start after tonight. He did his part…poor guy went up against Webb, though, and that guy’s unhittable. Well, we have to take the next two or this homestand’s a huge letdown.

But we still have 40 games left and I’m telling ya… the wild card is what we need to focus on. ‘Cause I don’t see the division happening unless the Mets and Phils tank.

By Greg in TN

August 17, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Brandon Webb pitched a Cy worthy game tonight. If I had a vote, he’d get it barring a monumental collapse over the next six weeks.

Wayne, hope your son and wife are doing better. The familiar line from the esteemed Ugandan journalist about toes should be amended for tonight, knees and ankles shouldn’t be trifled with either.

Good outing tonight by Lance Cormier aside from the ending of his evening in the ninth. It’s really easy to press early knowing who you’re pitching against and lose some concentration and give up some runs early. Glad to see him pitch well tonight.

Congratulations to David Justice on his induction to the Braves Hall of Fame. It wasn’t easy following an Atlanta legend in right field once Murphy was traded to Philadelphia, however I have a lot of pleasant memories of the exploits of #23.

By TampaBrave

August 17, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Anybody complaining about BC leaving Cormier in in the eighth inning needs to shut the hell up. He was pitching well, so end of discussion. Stop with the pitch count crap. You only embarrass yourselves. Cox did the right thing. If he would have yanked him, you would cry about that too. Whiners, all of you.

By Ron

August 17, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave Where you at dude? All your b!tching and complaining before we got Tex! You said If we had Tex we would win these games!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! Now I am gonna complain and B!tch now about this!!! Yeah Tex sure helped us when it was 1 to 0 earlier in the game didn’t he? LOL!!! Im not saying Tex has not been good offensively for us because he has, THIS POST IS FOR TAMPABRAVE ONLY!!! DONT WON’T NOBODY ELSE TO COMMENT ABOUT THIS!!! Because thats all TampaBrave was saying before we got Tex is he would be the difference in games like this!!! And it was 1 to 0 for MOST of the game!!! I want him to explain himself!!! But he won’t because he probably aint here, or he just dont wanna acknoledge it!!! TampaBrave you are a dumb SOB!!! Im tired of that little complaining b!tch!!!

By Lee in S. GA

August 17, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

Just watching SportsSouth “Brave’s Live Post Game” show .. man oh man…David Justce’s wife is hotter than Webb’s pitching. She has Halle Berry beat to me.

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this

Savannah, never been to Vegas but that probably ain’t my scene either. Despite the blog evidence to the contrary, I’m way too laidback for that.

For those who don’t get the reference, Mutumbo can speak 9 languages and probably a tenth - they always forget he can speak Cookie Monster.

Klobber & Wayne, I’m getting a little concerned about our good friend Nathan. Have not heard from him in a few days and now we got someone doing a cheap impersonation of him.

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Really don’t care either way, Wayne. I guess I should praise the Braves for their two game losing streak. Maybe I should just chalk it up to that powerful Giants lineup that managed to beat the Braves three times of out seven games this season. Big deal if Chuck gave up four homers to guys that had a combined 23 all season. So what if this “special” offense actually just got owned by two post-season quality pitchers on back-to-back nights. Might as well strike up the band and be happy. Nothing like being 1.5 games out of second place.

By TampaBrave

August 17, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

Cormier and Buddy are so similar, it makes me wonder if it will hurt Buddy pitching tomorrow.Need to move BP James to the 4th spot to break up Buddy and Cormier.

By brian

August 17, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

No negativity in this post -

1. No one would have beaten Webb tonight - he is truly on fire and unhittable - I have not seen anything like this since Orel Hersheiser’ run with the Dodgers way back when. DOB did not expect us to take this game and I cannot imagine anyone else did either

2. We still have a chance to take the series. Who would complain if we were to take 2 of 3 from the hottest team in the NL? Winning series should be the Braves focus right now. Tomorrow is now a BIG game. Go Buddy!

3. Cormier had his best outing of the year. If Cormier continues to pitch this well, it would be like adding a solid starter at the trade deadline (without trading any of the few prospects we have left)

By Lee in S. GA

August 17, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

Ok then…add all land in Georgia south of Thomasville? Deal?

Savannah Guy

I own some land in South GA - no deal unless Scott Boras is my agent.

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

no problema, Braves win the next two, Mets and Phillies lose the next two, and all’s right with the world. Win series, boys, everything else will work itself out.

We must have patience, LOL!

By Señor Mosca

August 17, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Mutumbo: Usted es tonto sólo. En mi país no comemos el sushi, comemos ceviche.

By A--ville Ranger

August 17, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Scarey stuff zimo,I’m for an all O’neill(O’neal) lineup.We could use a mega dose of Irish luck.Ps let’s let Eugene come up with his own nickname,so long as it ain’t too New Yorky.Well that’s a wrap for me, night all..you too ncscoots.GO BRAVES….GO ALREADY !!

By TampaBrave

August 17, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

Ron,

You puss, you couldn’t argue your way out of a paper bag. You dumb SOB, the guy has pitched 42 scoreless innings. Tex walked and hit one extremely hard into a shift defense. Suck on that you moron. When you get done cryin, come back with something better than that drivel.

By La Drosophile

August 17, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

Mutumbo : Dans mon pays, nous préférons le tartre de steak sur le sushi. Suivi avec un Bordeaux agréable.

By ncscoots

August 17, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

Ron, re your 10:09, it’s not healthy to hold your aggression in, LOL. You gotta let it out, man! :-)

By Dikembe

August 17, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Senor Mosca, C is not for ceviche. C is for Cookie and that is good enough for me.

By chrisklob

August 17, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, nope, no sign of N8gative in the past few days unless he’s posting during the day and I just haven’t seen it. The past couple of times I responded to one of his posts he’s not responded back to me. Not sure what that means, if anything. But, it doesn’t matter, there’s plenty of his ilk to go around tonight.

Hats off to Brandon Webb. Amazing performance tonight. I’m very pleased with Cormier’s effort tonight also. Too bad he was matched up against the guy that’ll probably win the Cy this year.

I saw you and Savannah talking about Vegas earlier. I took my first trip there in March. Plenty of things to do there and not just debauchery! There are great restaurants, clubs, shows (the kind WITH clothes too). Lots of activities for folks that don’t want to spend all their money on wine, women and song (and gambling).

By BravesDave

August 17, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this

Not to dredge up old debates, but the Braves games against the DBacks this season are one heck of a microcosm of the Braves offensive inconsistency. The Braves have outscored the DBacks 24-16 and have lost 3 out of 4. I guess that is more proof that this whole “the Diamondbacks have been outscored by their opponents” nonsense doesn’t much matter to the Diamondbacks.

By Ron

August 17, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave F*** you!!! You Piece of sh!t!!! You are the PUZZY!!! Yeah I know what Webb has done, but you said for WEEKS that Tex IS the ANSWER!!! If we get him we win games like tonight no matter who the pitcher is!!! Your just a sorry Dumbe mother f*** SOB!!! You know that!!! Suck on this B!TCH!!! Thats ALL you did was B!TCH about us not having Tex!!! You aint b!tching no more are you? Mainly because you were wrong when it comes to games like this!!! You are a sorry SOB!!! You piece of SH!T!!!

By Dikembe

August 17, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

You got Dikembe beat. You too much of a polyglot for Dikembe. Polyglot blogger only blogger Dikembe can’t wag finger in face of. Dikembe upset. Dikembe just got dunked on by polyglot blogger.

By Lee in S. GA

August 17, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Usted es tonto sólo.

You remember “The Man from Uncle” too.

By Savannah Guy

August 17, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this

Lee Fair enough. We throw Boras on you and you’ll get about three times what your property is worth. Even if your land average is around .210 an acre…as long as it includes an outfield coverage.

By TampaBrave

August 17, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this

RON,

Done cryin yet?

By Todd A

August 17, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

Good job by Cormier keeping the Braves close tonight, despite the pitching mismatch.

Agree Dave.Chris Young is hitting nothing but bombs off our staff.Looks like another Brave killer has emerged to join the ranks of Alphonso Soriano, Carlos Beltran, Matt Holiday, Todd Helton, and Shawn Green.

Dam#, has that home run landed yet.

Who is the last really good pitcher this lineup beat, pre Tex? Anyone? This lineup won’t hit in the playoffs.But, we’re already 1.5 out of 2nd, it probably won’t matter.

By Ron

August 17, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave Read my 10:33 post and decide for yourself!!! Let me ask you something!!! You ready to have an argument over this or not? You are probably not, because you were DEAD wrong on this issue!!! You said that would make the WHOLE lineup better and we would win games like this NO MATTER WHO was on the damn mound!!! What you say for yourself?

By Lee in S. GA

August 17, 2007 10:54 PM | Link to this

BravesDave

Agree about the D’backs and their being outscored by other teams. Joe Simpson mentioned the other night it is partly because when they lose …they lose big. It was brought up on Baseball Tonight nights ago. The D’backs appear to be laughing at everyone over this while on their way to the playoffs.

By Dikembe

August 17, 2007 10:54 PM | Link to this

Ron Is that really you, dude? What the hell? Ron, if that is you, chill out because that kind of behavior ain’t appropriate and that ain’t you. It just ain’t the Ron I know. Ron, that is a bit much. Chill!

By TampaBrave

August 17, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this

RON,

Obviously, you cried like a baby when we lost. Blame game, you are alone on this one. Now go to bed before your mama comes in and catches you whackin off again. No need to reply, you obviously have nothing to say that holds any meaning. Tex rules !!

By TampaBrave

August 17, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

Hey, if anyone else wants to debate RON or whoever he is, be my guest. My opinion is, without Tex, we’re 7 games back right now. I’m off to bed!!

By uga-brave

August 17, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

i guess this is one of those 40 that every team loses. tip your cap to webb and move on.

the one thing that bothers me is there is no spark on this team. they do not seem to have a sense of urgency. pretty soon they will be 5 out with 15 to play. CHECKMATE.

seven homeruns given up in TWO GAMES. FOR THE LOVE OF BOB GIBSON KNOCK SOMEBODY DOWN.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

August 17, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

Man, fast game! I left to eat just as it started, and after stopping in a Barnes and Noble, I came out to find the game was over!!! Webb is only 13-8 but I think to go 42 innings without giving up a run, he really should win the Cy unless as mentioned above, he tanks the rest of the way.

And I hear Lance pitched a whale of a game as well, so all in all, the best we could have hoped for against Webb.

I had hoped to see a bit of the Teenaged phenom Justin Upton. Peter Gammons said the other night that a GM told him that prospect wise, there is Upton, and everyone else……

By N8

August 17, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this

BravesDave

“The Braves have outscored the DBacks 24-16 and have lost 3 out of 4.”

Exactly.

Bill

“That was enough considering his injury. If the Braves can get seven good inning’s from the starters they will be o.”

Good point. I wasn’t that concerned about it, because it was obvious very early on that the 1 run was gonna hold up anyhow, but why would you leave Cormier in (when I assume he’s trying to build some confidence with him), yet repeatedly take out the other starters after 6 innings, when things are going good, earlier in the year? Bobby surely couldn’t be concerned about burning up the bullpen, could he?

Todd A.

“Who is the last really good pitcher this lineup beat, pre Tex? Anyone? This lineup won’t hit in the playoffs.”

I was thinking the same thing. Granted, Webb is the reigning Cy Young winner and a damn fine pitcher (has been from the moment he made his debut). But he is EXACTLY the kind of pitcher we’ll be facing in October, should we make it there.

Skip made a comment tonight about Webb doing exactly what Kevin Brown did to earn his living, which is pound the sinker all night long. I thought it was a good comparison. Because Kevin Brown used to OWN us. Obviously, Chipper and Andruw are the only two guys that were around to face Brown, so don’t read too much into that comment, but once Skip said that, it was way too familiar to me.

Carroll Rogers

“fyi, andruw is not in the top 10 in the NL in double plays hit into. Chipper is tied for sixth with 17. and mccann is tied for eighth with 16.”

No shocker there. One needs to actually make contact to hit into a double play, right? McCann and Chipper both make more contact, hit the ball hard and neither runs very well. My guess is that Tony Gwynn hit into a lot of double plays in his career too (later in his career anway, when he didn’t run as well).

By ssiscribe

August 17, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

Top of the evening, denizens. I see, from the blog and from my e-mail (good to hear from all of you, by the way; very nice and much appreciated), the Wurlitzer presentation idea is getting some good play.

I really, really wish I could be there on the 31st, but I’ll be doing what I did for about 15 years — scribing teenage pigskin. Gotta keep the tools sharp, you know.

Grinch is spot on the dude to present the Wurlitzer, in lieu of Lew, who I think would be the ultimate choice. But Vermont ain’t a Sunday drive from Turner Field. Maybe we could do two presentations: The Tex Wurlitzer for the Auburn kids, and the Cash Wurlitzer for Bobby Dews, who still comes out and works home games.

Maybe the Braves and/or the AJC could get together and get Lew a tix. After all, Mother Nature cost him a trip to spring training; would be fitting if somehow, we could get the Blog’s Great Artist down here for the opener of the three-game set with the Mets.

And yes, CL, I certainly am now playing designated driver when I’m out with Grinch, and anybody else for that manner :-).

Now, tonight (noted transition): Out with some friends and missed the game. Webb’s really spinning something special, folks. We just hit him at the wrong time. Cormier looks like he threw it really well. Mets and Phils won. Don’t need to fall behind any more.

And we won’t. Need to bounce back with Buddy tomorrow and Smoltz on Sunday. Win the next two, win the series, keep on plugging away until the Mets come to town, the denizens and the Tex songwriters step on stage, and the pennant race moves to an even higher level on Aug. 31.

Off into the realm of sleep I go. To all, a great evening.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Alex

August 17, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave, you obviously have a pic of Bobby Cox next to your desk at work, why else would you defend the guy???

He made the wrong move. The right move is save Cormier’s arm, 7 innings is enough. 1 run in 7 innings is more than enough, you take him out at near 100 pitches, just like you do a CHUCK LONG BALL JAMES! What else do you need explained to you man?

You put your pen to work the 8th and 9th innings, and keep it a 1 run game!

Lastly, I was at the game, I was there! I saw it…as soon as Lance was left to pitch in the 8th inning I told my friends that came with me to the game, this will seal the fate of the Braves tonight. 1 run lead against Webb right now might as well be 10…but add any more runs to that 1 run, and the game is over for sure, which of course, Cormier appropriately served up a moonshot HR to a guy who isn’t a real HR power hitter! A pure sign of a tired pitcher, left too long in the game by his uncompetent, ejection happy manager!

There, put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, may help ease your mind!

By Carroll Rogers

August 17, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

Ron, I’d suggest you watch your mouth. Don’t care what the argument is, clean it up or it’s coming off. in fact, i think one post in particular is already coming off.

i’ve had to ask for two posts to come down tonight and i don’t mean to just call you out, Ron, because i know you’re on here a lot and i encourage you to stay on. i just need you to clean it up. no kidding.

the other poster knows who he is and i’m not mentioning a name because a) i am not drawing any attention to that kind of talk and b) he might not be allowed back on here. the proper people in my office have been notified.

I feel like there have been multiple bloggers tonight taking advantage of this format and frankly it ticks me off. keep your potty mouths to yourselves. don’t bring this blog down to disgusting levels. it’s selfish and inappropriate.

and that’s such a shame because i loved reading all the creative posts today. don’t ruin them.

gnite all.

By journalist jimmy smith

August 17, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

oh, the humanity! where is dob? an ajc reporter dressed as a clown tonight at the circus. the reporter was not named in the report heard by this journalist.

coincidentally, dob is nowhere to be found tonight. carroll rogers is handling the blog in dob’s absence.

not saying it was dob at the circus, but a little extra cash could help when buying those expensive cigars. besides, dob is a jovial fellow and would make a good clown. have heard sja call dob an a@@ clown on occasion. not sure can say a@@ clown at the circus, though.

if this turns out to be dob we must learn if dob was a happy clown or a sad clown. did dob ride in the little clown car? and what manner of cheese does a clown eat? now, jimmy smith has burned all bridges with dob and must say, goodnight. grinch, please do damage control with dob for this journalist when grinch appears as blog representative at the game. john boy.

breaking news! if mike vick goes to court several falcons players are expected to be called as witnesses. hmm…. worse than it appears on the surface. drawing a blank on this season.

By Ron

August 17, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

Dikembe Yeah this is me!!! TampaBrave is the ONLY guy that I talk this way to!!! The dude started it right before we got Tex and he said we would win these games no matter who was pitching, I just wanted to throw it back into his face!!! The dude called me some names, and I NEVER even called him a name, it P!ssed me off!!! The dude was wrong and he knows it and NOW he is off to bed!!! Night TampaBrave dont let the bed bugs bit your sorry a*!!! You SOB!!!

That is out of my system now!!! Dont like talking that way, but TampaBrave Deserved it TRUST me!!! I cant stand that piece of crap!!! All his whining he Used to do!!! It made me sick!!! I just wanted to puke all over him!!!

TampaBrave At least I can get mine up, too bad you cant get YOURS up!!!

By TEX

August 17, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

Ron,

Did you not read Carroll’s post? Please, do not disgrace this blog any more than you have already.

By uga-brave

August 17, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this

STAT OF THE NIGHT: lance cormier had given up 7 dingers in 35 at bats to to righthanded hitters this year before tonight. think about that. one out of every five.

i think we all knew going into this game it was going be kinda like being forced to watch the VIEW. can anyone figure out why we cant hit the longball at home? oh by the way our all-star catcher has not gone deep since july.

By The Grinch

August 17, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

Ron, I don’t think that’s what she meant by “clean it up.” :-)

Jimmy Smith, the more the Falcons lose this year the closer they are to getting Brian Brohm in the ‘08 draft. We’ll never out-lose the Raiders, but then they just took a QB 1st this year (and the wrong one, it would seem). Here’s to 3-13!

G’night, all.

By Braveheart

August 17, 2007 11:48 PM | Link to this

Ron The Dikembe post was from me. Chill out bud. I like you as a blogger. Tampabrave has taken some cheap personal shots at a bunch of folks. Don’t flip out like that though. I like you too much as a blogger. Don’t get yourself banned. At least learn to toe the line. Just let it go. Y’all are arguing about something too stupid to get yourself banned over. I know the personal shots hurt and you wanna get back but you know it is always the guy who throws the second punch that gets the whistle blown on him and then draws a technical foul when they keep acting the way the ref just told them to stop. Chill out, bud. You’re a good blogger but this (whatever it is) ain’t worth it.

By uga-brave

August 17, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this

boy it sure looks like reality is setting in. even the biggest kool-aid drinkers are starting to realize this is a .500 team. better win the next two or that ten game roadtrip might pressure cook this team.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 12:02 AM | Link to this

Wow, this place cleared out fast tonight……

My guess is that Ron’s screen name has been hijacked by jackals. These posts tonight seem pretty unlike him. I don’t always agree with him but I can’t remember ever seeing him use so much abusive language.

Don’t know if anyone saw (or cares) but as bad as things have been for the NBA, they just got worse. Donaghy is planning to hand over a list of as many as 20 other officials who may have links to gambling.

What do you guys think is worse: the use of illegal performance-enhancing drugs or gambling on games where you can have some control over the outcome?

HOLY CORNELIA!!!

By don

August 18, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this

What a bunch of crap. So far, Teixeira hasn’t done squat. Castillo will mean more to the Mets that “Big Tex” will ever mean to the Braves.

As I said at the time, the trade for Teixeira was a mistake.

By Ron

August 18, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this

Braveheart Apreciate it dude!!! Why did you post under the name of Dikembe? Just trying to be funny? If it was then you did a good job!!! I know I should not have said all of that, BUT TampaBrave takes TOO many shots at people and I was TRYING to prove a point today!!! I mean that is all he was doing was crying about how if we get Tex we win these games NO MATTER WHO is pitching!!! I dont like the dude!!! Appreciate the concern from you dude!!!

The Grinch and TEX Dudes I posted that 11:15 post before I saw Carroll’s post!!!

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this

wow this is what happens when your team has eight hits in two nights. two long time bloggers are throwing haymakers like tyson vs. holyfield.

anyone here have any opinions on roger mcdowell? the guy never says anything to the press. he never crtiques his pitchers’ performances, and smoltz nor hudson ever say peep about this guy. got a hunch he is gone next season, and leo might be back.

By Bob, Journalist

August 18, 2007 12:13 AM | Link to this

ijonathan, thanks for the comprehensive reply and apologies for the delay in responding. My connection to the Internet has been freuently interrupted and I just now read your post.

I’m not sure of my background either and certainly there are those who suggest it’s a questionable one … but, two months should be enough time for you to recognize me for what I am and Shaun Payne as our resident expert on statistics.

God gave me just enough intelligence to be able to ask some of the questions … it was to others that he evidently gave the answers.

I do believe that my question was, as you indicated, “what is the most likely number of titles for a team in the playoffs the number of times the Braves have been in the playoffs since 1990, assuming for simplicity that playoff teams are of equal strength?”

Regardless of rhetoric, I was interested in the results for 14 attempts, since that is to what most Braves’ fans relate when discussing the titles issue. I’m sure that the results would be different for 15, or 20, or 100 attempts … but, I asked about 14 … or at least that was my intent.

I understand that the teams in the playoffs are no clones but, methinks relative comparisons are as complex as they are subjective … so the use of the equal strength, binomial distribution assumption is more than acceptable to me and is less subject to agenda driven criticism than other possible assumption sets.

That’s in no way meat as sarcasm or anything else … yours was indeed a good response … just my way of expressing myself.

We’ve had the discussion before, assuming the current playoff system throughout the entire span … as memory serves, it was simply used to illustrate why it was inappropriate to multiply the number of trials by the simple probability to get the most likely result … and the over simplification was offered as an unaccepted gambit to those who so did … attempting to attack the argument on the basis of the flaw would have positively reinforced the argument … a friendly end play that never came into fruition.

While I don’t doubt, and assume, that the answer is probably two … I never put much stock in averages, especially when it came to probabilities.

I guess I would have determined the probability of the different possible outcomes (0, 1, 2, 3, 4) during the 4 season 1991-1995 period, cross multiplied them with the 10 in the 1996-2005 period … one or two … but regardless, the passion with which some folks use the number of championships as a managerial evaluation index is the amusing rub … that, and the continually critiquing after the fact.

Regarding background, all I know is that it’s best to stay in them whenever possible.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this

don, look at Tex’s HR and RBI numbers before you make a stupid statement like that about him again.

By Wayne in Utah

August 18, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this

Smoltz vs Jorge Sosa: we expect a win.

Timmy Hudson vs Brett Tomko: we expect to win.

Tim Lincecum vs Chuck James: what do YOU think is going to happen 75% of those games?

Brandon Webb vs Lance Cormier: same point.

Folks, sometimes the matchups are determined by a bad game by someone who is better, most of the time the game is determined by the better pitcher.

Many times, Chuck James, Buddy Carlyle and Lance Cormier are (and they have) going to win more than they lose, but on average, NOT against those matchups I listed above. Many other times they match up with guys more their equal.

Use some common sense. Maybe we don’t win enough to get into the playoffs. I think we will. I like our overall staff better than most in the NL. There is no shame in winning a series 2 out of 3.

So, quit your beatching and crying about a game that we didn’t have good odds to win to start with.

N8 Serbok Chriskolb Braveheart All other reasonable minded bloggers

Am I right?

Greg in TN It has been an interesting and difficult 10 days. I am tired as an old dog. Everybody is hurting, but getting better. All ops came off without a hitch. All should be well eventually. Thanks for asking!!

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this

DON, i hope you are not serious with that last post. tex was a good fit for the present. want to blame somebody blame chucky, or andruw, or kelly being one for the homestand

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

The Braves are 5-5 in their last 10. The Phillies are 7-3 in their last 10. The Mets are 5-5 in their last 10. The Diamondbacks are 20-5 in their last 25 games.

Can we officially call an end to the “THE BRAVES ARE PLAYING AS

By flbravesgirl

August 18, 2007 12:24 AM | Link to this

Since it’s now the 18th, y’all will have to forgive me for getting off-topic momentarily:

Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday, dear Grinchyyy, happy birthday to yooouu!

Now, CL, you may need assistance with the Grinch-grooming.(Back hair? Grizzly Adams beard? Eek) He might get ornery about the whole thing. Let me know if we need to soothe him with a Red Velvet cake.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 12:26 AM | Link to this

BOB that sure was a lot of verbage. especially since it probably went over just about everyones head here that did not attend MIT.

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 12:26 AM | Link to this

I think my last post was screwed. Anyway, the Braves are 5-5 in their last 10. The Phillies are 7-3 in their last 10. The Mets are also 5-5 in their last 10. The Diamondbacks are 20-5 in their last 25.

Can we please stop with the “THE BRAVES ARE PLAYING AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN ANY OTHER NATIONAL LEAGUE TEAM” nonsense??? Please??

By Savannah Guy

August 18, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this

Chris Hello friend. I’ve been ducking in and out all night so keeping up with the blog ebb and flow has been a challenge. I did see the “foul” posts earlier. They were pretty disgusting. The perp will be in deep poop (can say?) over those. Seemed not only vulgar but fired up on something. Hope not a regular that was out of control.

So, Vegas is good yes, but you gotta admit Costa Rica could be a great place for winter break. You in?

Reckon I’m hitting the hay now. Early day tomorrow.

By A--ville Ranger

August 18, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

I decided to do one more tonight.I read these post stating that no team could have beat Webb tonight.True he would have beat MOST teams but not all.We go on about how this lineup is built for the post season.Guess what kind of pitching you face in the playoffs ? That’s right the top pitchers from the top teams.The 98 Yanks would have had a chance tonight so would the 05 Red Sox.Yes DOB put this one down as a probable loss but that was assuming we’d get subpar pitching from Cromier.The best and maybe only real shot this team has to win it all is to play to their strengths.First get in then use the two stars at the top of the rotation and a lineup that grinds the other side down.Tonight they went way too easy into the good night.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah, glad to hear that everyone is on the road to recovery.

I do agree with your post. Fact of the matter is this: we don’t have the starting pitching that we had ten years ago. Braves fans are spoiled from the great run we enjoyed throughout most of the 90’s and the early 00’s. It’s tough to put a guy like Cormier in against Webb and really expect a win. Cormier was awesome tonight. He gave us way more than I ever expected and I hope that he sleeps well tonight knowing that he did a great job.

That being said, I sometimes wonder if the internet had existed in 1927, would Yankees fans have complained as much about the 44 games that their team had lost that year!

Now Wayne, don’t you have a bed pan to change? :-)

By Savannah Guy

August 18, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this

Wayne Don’t know what has happened in your life, but glad to hear of recovery. Family? My wife was in hospital a few days this week and I missed some posts while catching up. All is very well now, nothing serious and she’s been home a few days. Hope you and yours are well too. Take good care.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this

Whats up Savannah Guy! I’d guess that Costa Rica would be a great place for a break any time of year, not just winter. But that’ s just what I’ve heard. I’d love to go so sign me up.

Yes, there were some pretty disturbing posts tonight, not just from the regulars. I emailed CR and she says that things will be taken care of. Not many things offend me, but at the same time, some subjects are just clearly not meant for a blog such as this.

I have to tell you a funny/disappointing story which I would never tell you except that we’ve discussed my favorite bourbon, Knob Creek, several times before.

You probably don’t know but I’m in the spirits business. It’s hard to explain, but basically I sell liquor for a living. Anyway, I had a brand new bottle of Knob in my trunk yesterday. Actually, it was in the trunk of my wife’s car. Anyway, it was very hot here as it has been in many places lately. Knob Creek doesn’t have a screw on cap, it has a cork top. The summer heat made the bourbon expand, pushing the cork up through the wax closure and out. Unfortunately, the bottle had turned onto it’s side and when the cork came out approximately half of the liter of bourbon spilled into the box that it was in and then leaked through onto the carpet of my old ladies ride!

To me, it smells wonderful. To her, not so much!

Oh the HUMANITY!

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this

I understand the theory that good pitching beats good hitting, but we go on and on about how the Braves currently have the best lineup in the National League. Checking out the teams that Webb has shut down during this streak shows something. He has not given up a run against the Marlins, Padres, Dodgers, or Nationals. Not exactly a Murderers’ Row of National League offense. Tonight he shut down our consensus “best offense in the league”. Do you know which team actually performed the worst offensively against Webb during this streak??? You guessed it, the Atlanta Braves. Only 2 hits. Every other team during the streak had more hits. Even the powerful Nationals managed 5 hits.

So, like others have posted, we keep saying that this team is built for the playoffs. We might face Webb twice in a playoff series. Are we built to beat him??

Good thing we won’t be facing that SF Giants staff in the playoffs. they went 4-3 against the Braves with an ERA of 4.00. Scary.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 12:47 AM | Link to this

HEY KRISKLOB, kind of remember three games in a row that smoltz pitched in when we were favored and lost all three. my point is for whatever reason when a top of the rotation guy pitches against us we usually lose. BRAVE-DAVE SAID “WOULDN’T IT BE NICE TO DROP THE HAMMER ON THESE TWO GUYS” we had our chance against linceum, but webb made us look pathetic. hats off to him, but he is human. we made him look like he could walk on water. look BRAVE-DAVE has been consistenly more pragmatic than anyone on this site. at some point the braves have to find some kind of spark. though it is really tough to do it when chucky comes out in back to back starts and gives up 4 and 3 in the 1st. oh by the way the homeruns he gave up in the first were to noted sluggers molina, and WES KEGHEAD HELMS.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 12:57 AM | Link to this

preaching to the chior about webb brave-dave. just no game plan when it comes to quality pitching. the last good pitcher we knocked around was brad penny i think. one mor thought what if we have to face ben sheets in that late season brewer series talk about brave killer.

By Savannah Guy

August 18, 2007 12:57 AM | Link to this

Chris Good thing she wasn’t pulled over for no turn signal. Might’ve had a hard time splainin’ that! Guess I know what “honey do” job was at the top of your list.

And to lose that much Knob…a crime. But you know where to get a fresh replacement I’m sure.

One time, years ago I picked up some fishing bait in my wife’s jeep. A friend and I were going cobia fishing and my truck was in the shop so I took her car to the bait store for a dozen eels. Put ‘em in a 5 gallon bucket in the back. Little did I know, one escaped into here car on the ride to the marina. Didn’t know it for, oh…about two days. Hot summer, windows up. The smell took weeks to get out. Awww…it wreaked. It was so bad it stunk up the whole neighborhood. Knob Creek would have smelled like perfume compared to that.

Maybe you should tell that story to your wife. Then she’ll feel lucky it was just bourbon and thank you for not allowing eels into her car. Might work. No?

By Savannah Guy

August 18, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

Damn…1:00 already with a 6:00 wakeup…really going this time, but not before saying hello to esteemed Bob, Journalist. Missed you tonight Bob…hot tub all this time? Fingers and toes prunes? G’nite.

On the morrow…

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

somebody here has got to have some thoughts on ROGER MCDOWELL? just thought he would be a lot looser than he is. on the other side of the coin he has done squat in developing our young pitchers. anyone remember the kyle davies windup change?

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

**HEY KRIS AND SAVANNAH, one time at band camp

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 1:12 AM | Link to this

uga, Simpson was talking all night about a flaw in Cormier’s windup that McDowell noticed and worked on with Cormier. If so, it definitely helped Cormier tonight. He pitched very well, although it was not against a great offense. The Diamondbacks are a very good team, but offense is not their strong point. It doesn’t take much away from what Cormier did, though. I was very impressed. I wish he came out after 7 just to avoid that last homer that he gave. It really would have juiced up his confidence. Giving up a bomb like that right before he left the game is not great for the psyche…although he did get a lot of high fives in the dugout.

By Ron

August 18, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this

If we win the Wildcard guess who we will face!!! It will be Arizona, unless they dont win the west, but more than likely they will!!! We will face Arizona in the FIRST Round!!! We will face Webb twice in the series!!! I know that he is doing great right now, but he always pitches good!!! Arizona has had OUR number since last year!!! I Just dont know how we can beat them!!! Especially in the playoffs!!! I was to believe that Tex was going to HELP us win THESE games!!! But apparently TampaBrave was WRONG ONCE again!!! Nice going bud!!!

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this

In case no one has noticed, the Phillies are now tied with the Padres for the wild card lead. I know everyone has noticed that the Braves are 1.5 behind the Phillies now…2 in the loss column. Not exactly what we all envisioned when Teixiera, Dotel, and Mahay joined the squad.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 1:18 AM | Link to this

brave-dave you a penn state fan? going to the penn state notre dame game on sept 10th. my fiancee is on the alumni coucil at penn state.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 1:22 AM | Link to this

any thoughts about not having hudson and smoltz not going back to back it defintely would help the tax on the bullpen?

By Steve

August 18, 2007 1:23 AM | Link to this

Sometimes you are overmatched before the game even begins. And this was one of those such games. Still, Cormier pitched fantastic.

I had no problem with Cormier going back out to begin the 8th inning. Though Moylan certainly should have been brought in the second a baserunner got on.

But once Cormier gave up the 2 run homer to make it 3-0, this game was over for all intents and purposes. That being the case, why then bring Moylan in? Save the guy for Saturday night. And Sunday if need be. The Friday night game was over at 3-0 in the 8th inning.

So while it was dumb to not bring Moylan in once a baserunner got on, since he was supposedly warming up for just such a scenario, it was dumber to bring him in once the score was 3 - 0. Why did Cox even have Moylan warming up if he wasn’t going to be brought in the moment Cormier gave up a base runner?

I often don’t get the moves Cox makes during games. Why even allow Arizona to get some swings against Moylan in this game and possibly become more familiar with him, a familiarity that can only work to Arizona’s advantage if Moylan is brought into Saturday night’s game?

I don’t think Cox’s moves cost them the game, just an outside chance at a comeback from 1-0, as well as possibly slightly lessening Moylan’s availability and/or effectiveness over the next 2 games.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this

ugabrave, it’s not exactly fair to look at one game or even three to evaluate a season. Look, I’m not blind to this team’s problems but it’s a long season and you have to look at the big picture to see what’s happening.

By chance, have you read the book “Moneyball”. It’s about Billy Beane and his philosophy running the Oakland franchise. He’s a total stat head and bases all of his personnel decisions on stats. In the last ten years or so, he’s definitely outperformed the average in either league in wins/payroll dollar spent. He’s taken his team to the post season on more occasions than he should have but the A’s have never done well there because when you start talking about a best-of-five or best-of-seven series all bets are off. From a statistical standpoint there just aren’t enough games in a short series to make good predictions about a series winner. That’s why so many wild card teams have won the WS the past few years. It’s not necessarily the best team that wins, it’s usually the hottest one, i.e. 2006 St. Louis Cardinals.

If, if, if, if this team can do so many things, they can make the playoffs. If, if, if, if the Mets, Phillies can do certain things, they can make the playoffs. Any of these three teams are capable of going a long way in the playoffs with the talent they have. It’s just the way things are structured right now.

As I said, I’m not blind to this team’s issues but I still like our chances. I just choose not to make too much out of one game or one series, regardless if we win it or lose it.

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 1:32 AM | Link to this

57-57 since the 7-1 start to the season. 40-46 since the 24-12 start to the season. 21-20 since July 1. 17-16 since the All Star break. 8-7 with Teixiera in the lineup. 5-5 in their last 10 games.

How can anyone deny that the Braves are playing like a .500 team right now, and have been since the second week of the season?

I am dying for this team to turn it around and starting winning consistently. I hate watching games like the last two against the pathetic Giants and the hot Diamondbacks. The Braves have played two of the hottest teams in the NL in the Phillies and Dbacks in the last week. They are 1-3 in those 4 games. When do the Braves get hot??? There are only 40 games left.

I know that in order to be a “good blogger” I am not supposed to discuss these things. Everyone knows the Braves shortcomings. We are supposed to be shiny, happy people. I have tried. It’s not working.

By Bob, Journalist

August 18, 2007 1:32 AM | Link to this

Chris Klob, which is worse … getting shutout, State supported lotteries that rake 50% off the top after having preached the evils of gambling until they became the House, beating your wife, treason, selling drugs illegally, robbing banks, theft by deception, molesting children, character assassination, selling pornography, or violating established rules or personal codes of honor?

I guess it depends on one’s perspective but methinks those who so do are all despicable … while a graduated system of justice is understandable, having graduated levels of wrongness is a complex onion … regardless, it seems to me that both of your examples are violations of established rules, and, since both are illegal … when they escape prosecution, we should form a vigilance committee and hang the evil doers … that may sound like an over reaction, but this silent majority apathy stuff is for the lady birds and something needs to be done!

Revolt!

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 1:32 AM | Link to this

watching the replay of the braves game on sports south and just heard joes comment on cormiers front foot. good pickup. i agree the phils are kind of rolling. i think the wild card might just come from the east. oh yeah we have lost 5 out of six to the fightin. another thought i would rather see kelly hit leadoff against righties with esco 2 and willy in the 8 hole. willy aint the base stealer or the table setter i think we thought he might be. time to scrap it.

By Ron

August 18, 2007 1:39 AM | Link to this

BravesDave and uga-brave But yet most of the kool-aid drinkers on here that think we are gonna win it all still think we will beat the GOOD pitching when we face them!!! Mainly because they think with Smoltz going up against their best, Smoltz will come up victorious every time!!! Heck we barely won in Smoltz LAST start!!! People we are in deep crap IF we face Arizona in the playoffs!!! And we will have to face them in the playoffs IF we win the Wildcard, because they aint going away!!! We have got to go on a tear!!! Look at the Phillies!!! They are STILL winning without Utley, Victorino, and Bourne!!! And they have what IS their BEST Starting pitcher in the freaking bullpen, because their bullpen stinks so bad!!! But yet THEY continue to win!!! This team is unbelievable to watch especially seeing a team like the Phillies keep on winning!!! When OUR team IS better!!! At least it SHOULD be!!! This team is just flat out UNDERACHIEVING!!! And these kool-aid drinkers come here and QUESTION US!!! Who the heck are they to talk!!! I still think we can win the Wildcard, but if we dont, Then that will be pathedic from this team!!! We are Better than the Phillies, Mets, Padres, Dodgers, Brewers, Cubs!!! The ONLY NL team that is better is Arizona!!! That is IT!!! But yet we trail the East AND the Wildcard!!! Congrats you UNDERACHIEVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 1:42 AM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist, I think you may have read to much into my post. While all of the crimes that you mentioned are clearly despicable, the question I posed was only a conversation starter to see what our fellow denizens thought about steroids v. gambling and their ramifications on sport.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 1:44 AM | Link to this

good points KRIS,

though i am not a billy beane fan, he sure has got a lot out of a little. he definetly fleeced the cards in the mulder trade. this being said the american league west is not exactly a juggernaut the m’s up until this year have been terrible and john hart has defintely left his ugly footprint on the rangers.

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 1:45 AM | Link to this

Apparently, Steve, Moylan is now our new mop-up guy out of the bullpen. The last 4 games in which Moylan has pitched, the Braves were tied in one game and trailing in 3 games. Apparently, there is no need to utilize our best pitcher when we have a lead.

Here was an interesting quote from an SI.com article. When is something like this going to click for the Braves?? Are their pitchers worse than this crew???

But alas, less than two weeks later, the Cards have gone on an 8-2 tear and they sit just 2 1/2 games out of first place on this Friday morning. This run has been fueled by — what else — stellar starting pitching. Cardinals hurlers have made nine quality starts during this 10-game stretch, going 8-2 with a 1.98 ERA. And did I mention who has been making these starts? Adam Wainwright, Braden Looper, Anthony Reyes, Kip Wells and recently acquired Joel Pineiro — quite the motley crew, if you ask me.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this

right on RON, best post of the night early morning. me thinks BOB THE JOURNALIST has been kidnapped by a northeast think tank university.

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this

uga, I am not particularly a Penn State fan, although I would rather see them win the Big 10 than Michigan, Ohio State, or the rest. I am avowed Notre Dame hater, though. A good friend of mine went to Penn State, so I went up ther once with him. The stadium is incredible. The place rocks. I just moved to PA a few months back, but I am a pretty long way from Happy Valley.

Have a good time.

By Ron

August 18, 2007 1:58 AM | Link to this

Pretty much we HAVE to win the NEXT two games against a team that owns us so that we dont go 3-3 against San Fran, and Arizona!!! Because DOB even admitted that we gotta take care of business!!! Once again we will be playing .500 ball if we lose the NEXT 2 games!!! We need to go on a 7 game Winning trip before the End of the month!!! We gotta sweep sooner than later!!!

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 2:01 AM | Link to this

brave-dave momentum is tomorrows starting pitcher, unless that pitcher is a WINDOW FRAMER.

By Ron

August 18, 2007 2:06 AM | Link to this

BravesDave I was wondering what type of pitchers were the Cardinals facing? Descent, Good, Great, OR pathedic? Just curious, because for some reason we cant go on a tear!!! We have a Better pitching staff, Better Bullpen, Better Defense, Better Offense AND yet THEY can go on a 8-2 tear!!! WTF!!! Is this team NOT the Biggest Underachievers that you have seen? This is the Biggest Underachieving Braves team in the Last 15 years!!! Unbelievable!!!

By Ron

August 18, 2007 2:12 AM | Link to this

In my 1:58 post I meant to say we gotta win the Next two just to be 4-2 in those games!!! And If we lose the NEXT two games we will be 2-4!!!

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 2:12 AM | Link to this

21,14,12 thought at this point of the season we would of got more longball production out of andruw,jeff, and brian. i never criticize ANDRUW but when it comes down to it he really is killing this team. and to think he absolutely carried us during that 50 home run season. for me the jury is still out on francouer his swing is so unorthodox, just dont know if he is a complementary player or a future star, only time will tell.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 2:21 AM | Link to this

RON i agree that is why it is so tough to watch night after night. in the imortal words of BULL DURHAM, ” YOU THROW THE BALL, YOU CATCH THE BALL, YOU HIT THE BALL, ITS A EASY GAME.”

problem is we cant do it consistenly for any duration.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 2:28 AM | Link to this

THIS IS WHY BASEBALL IS CHESS AND ALL OTHER SPORTS ARE CHECKERS. baseball is always a one on one matchup.

By Ron

August 18, 2007 2:32 AM | Link to this

uga-brave I know man!!! Ridiculous!!! We are better than all those teams except Arizona, but yet we still trail in the East and the Wildcard!!! The ONLY thing we do consistenly is leave a guy at second OR third less than 2 outs and NOT score them!!! And that is SAD dude!!! Thats thing about it, WE ALL know this team is Better than how they are playing!!! And that makes me sick, and that makes alot of you guys sick as well!!! The Braves are my team and they are GIVING away the East AND the Wildcard!!! That is pathedic!!!

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 2:36 AM | Link to this

Ron, the Cards have faced the following pitchers during the 8-2 run that they have been on:

David Wells, Jake Peavy, Greg Maddux, Chris Young, Brad Penny, Derek Lowe, Mark Hendrickson, Chris Capuano, Yovani Gallardo, and Dave Bush

They lost to Peavy and lost the game started by Penny, although Penny got a no decision. So, they beat Maddux, Young, and Lowe. Three pretty good starters. The remaining five were weak, but no weaker than Kevin Corriea, Russ Ortiz, Adam Eaton, Ubaldo Jiminez, Aaron Cook, Woody Williams, Wandy Rodriguez, and Chris Sampson. Just a sampling of the starters the Braves have faced in their last 16 games, where the Braves have gone 9-7.

By Bob, Journalist

August 18, 2007 2:42 AM | Link to this

BravesDave, this isn’t meant to be argumentative … but what did we all envision when Teixiera, Dotel, and Mahay joined the squad?

I don’t think there was consensus … although most agreed that removing Andruw from the cleanup position in the lineup would have a positive impact and that Tex’s glove would be superior to Matt at 1st base … and it was seen by some as an opportunity by some to allow both Matt and Willie to play everyday in the outfield.

However, some believe that Matt or Frenchy would have given Hoss the protection, certainly as much if not more than Tex … were it not for his reputation.

Tex was a fine addition from both an offensive and a defensive standpoint but, Oscar has been hurt and Matt and Willie continue to platoon.

The verdict’s still out but I sense a change in the offensive approach since Tex’s arrival … we’ll see.

Dotel is on the DL and while Mahay has performed reasonably well, I don’t think there was a consensus regarding our short term expectations for either … what you thought depended on how you felt about various relievers on the existing staff … and there sure was and is disagreement on that score.

They’re solid offensively from a talent perspective and when they play as a team with a well coordinated effort, they’re hard to beat and when they play as individuals, most times it ain’t gonna happen.

Methinks there was a consensus … or something close thereto … we needed a good starting pitcher. I didn’t disagree with that though I felt and feel we had the arms to get the job done.

We didn’t get one … it’s as simple as that … but, they still have the talent to win it all … the trick is to do it … and I think they will.

By Ron

August 18, 2007 2:56 AM | Link to this

BraveDave Yep I agree!!! Gallardo is a Good Young Pitcher, didn’t Bush give up ONLY 1 run or something like that to us when we faced him earlier in the year? Most of those names are Solid!!! The game we beat Penny I think he was hurt or something like that, or was he? I think something was off when we faced him!!! I think thats what I heard!!! The ONLY Bad Pitcher on that list is Wells!!! Those names are Better than some of the guys that we have faced!!! That is why it is so dang frustrating seeing us lose like this, especially tonight when we actually had a chance against Webb!!! And TampaBrave kept saying Tex WOULD be the difference in these games!!! Well Apparently not!!! Im not Just blaming Tex, so dont get me wrong, I just did not see that adding Tex the same way TampaBrave did!!! Cormier pitched Great before the 8th inning!!! He pitched as good as Smoltz has pitched in the last few games!!! I think the Kool-aid MUST becoming empty!!! It has to be!!!

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 2:59 AM | Link to this

So Bob J, are you trying to tell me that the overall feeling when the Braves acquired Teixiera, Dotel, and Mahay was that they Braves would continue to play .500 ball? You can’t be serious. Not to be argumentative, but ESPN, CNNSI, FoxSports, every sports website, said that the Braves improved the most by far at the trading deadline. I would say 90% of the blog postings were positive. DOB consistently mentions that the Braves have improved more than any other NL team due to the recent acquisitions. How many posts mention that the Braves have the best offense top-to-bottom in the NL since the Teixiera acquisition???

By the way, when was Matt Diaz playing first base?? Did I miss something there? I thought it was Thorman, Saltalamacchia, and Franco all season. And who said that Francoeur or Diaz could provide better protection for Chipper than Teixiera??? That is funny stuff.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 3:05 AM | Link to this

look guys stats are stats, we just dont win a whole lot of close games. we defintely dont have a top of the line-up guy like reyes or rollins, and we for whatever reason cant score runs at home. that one fact our inability to win at home should blow us all away. why cant we consistently get early runs at home? BRAVE-DAVE just gave us that murder’s row of pitchers we have recently faced.

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By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 3:09 AM | Link to this

“I knew we had no shot ,” said Braves pitcher Tim Hudson, who watched from the clubhouse TV.

Interesting quote from Hudson regarding the loss to the Diamondbacks. I thought this Braves offense could beat Cy Young in his prime, without breaking a sweat.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this

HEY LOOK BOTTOM LINE IS WE CANT WIN AT HOME. but hey looking at that all-star pitching juggernaut we have faced lately who could blame us. brave-dave pointed it out, i just guess we are unlucky. oh well still around 40 to go. me thinks we are just whistling by the graveyard.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 3:18 AM | Link to this

i knew there was a reason i like to do this besides drinking beer and b.s.ing at this time of night, if you flip the channels around they will teach you how to buy five houses with no money down. now if only they could teach the braves to win five in a row.

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 3:25 AM | Link to this

Ron, your memory is spot on. Penny seemed to have a blister on a finger of his pitching hand the night that we faced him. It happened in the first inning, if I remember correctly. We hit Penny pretty hard after that, but unfortunately it was one of Hudson’s only poor starts this season and Penny and Hudson both got no decisions in the eventual Braves win.

The Braves announcers mentioned an unbelievable point the other night during the Giants game. The Braves have had 11 opportunties to sweep series this season (needing one more win to finish off the sweep). They have only swept three all season. That means that they are 3-8 when on the verge of sweeping a series. Talk about a lack of killer instinct. Sweep 7 out of 11 instead of 3 out of 11 and the Braves would be in a dead heat with the Mets.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 3:25 AM | Link to this

well BRAVE-DAVE, two against the backs then four against the reds, and three against the cards, then three with the fish. any projections? gotta go 8-4 anything else is spinning our wheels.

By Ron

August 18, 2007 3:30 AM | Link to this

BravesDave Yeah that quote was MORE than just interesting!!! Anyway, I thought SOOOO many people said we would CONSISTENTLY score 4 runs or more a game and NEVER get shut out with that lineup in there!!! Well you can never say never!!! Which we HAVE been scoring 4 runs in MOST games, but we still end up losing!!! If it aint one thing it is another!!! Like I said at the Beginning of THIS month, At the end of this month it will tell me if we are gonna make the playoffs or not!!! I still think we Can win the Wildcard, but they sure are trying to prove me wrong!!! But yet ALL the kool-aid drinkers will say we still have a FULL month to go when this month is over!!! LOL!!! If we have a .500 ball club at the End of this month with Tex for an ENTIRE month then well we are a .500 team!!! Still think we are a .500 team now!!! I sure hope we can resign Tex in 09 or we will end up with NOTHING in that deal!!! Which would be pathedic!!! We BETTER try our hardest to resign him in THIS offseason, because WE cant get in a bidding war with the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Angels, and other teams like that!!! I know Tex agent is Boras, but we gotta try!!!

By Ron

August 18, 2007 3:34 AM | Link to this

uga-brave that 3:18 post was funny dude!!! Seriously how many games in a row have the Braves won this year? 5 at the most?

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 3:50 AM | Link to this

Well, uga, when the Braves started this 16 game stretch against the Giants, Dbacks, Reds, Cards and Marlins, I posted that I thought they needed to rip off a 13-3 stretch…just to prove that they are a playoff team, to take control in the wild card race and to put pressure on the Mets and Phils.

They are now 2-2 in the first 4 games. You and I both know that they are not going to go 11-1 over the next 12 games. I would not be shocked to see them go 6-6 over the next 12. The Reds are 8-4 in their last 12. The Cards are 8-3 in their last 11. And the Braves are 5-7 against the Marlins this season. A stretch that looked like an oppporunity last week, is starting to look like a problem.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 4:03 AM | Link to this

gentleman it has been a pleasure brave-dave and ron. there is a big ten pub crawl tmrw. in virginia highlands. while i am obviously a sec fan, i have found it is a lot easier to let your woman hang out with her friends. never create any drama, just sit back have a bud and nod your head. SO MUCH EASIER. wow this is our life b*** about the braves and at some point we all become subserviant, man i held out to 40.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 4:08 AM | Link to this

like you said dave .500 since the first week that speaks volumes. just dont tell chase, he dont quit get it.

By uga-brave

August 18, 2007 4:08 AM | Link to this

like you said dave .500 since the first week that speaks volumes. just dont tell chase, he dont quite get it.

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

August 18, 2007 4:23 AM | Link to this

Ron , they have won five in a row twice and four in a row twice.

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 4:25 AM | Link to this

Goodnight uga. I might as well get some sleep myself. There are some soccer games on early in the AM. Enjoy the pub crawl.

By Serbok

August 18, 2007 4:29 AM | Link to this

RON I do not appreciate Carrolls input to your postings, As I believe in free speech, However Dude, You must be in your 20’s maybe or early teens? I realize you don’t really care, But you have ALWAYS posted on here as someone who knows everything. PPL who know everything kinda annoy ppl whom have had maturity, not sure how to say this~ maturity, overwhelm them? LOL This is a family blog from my understanding, however, as long as the postings have variable characters that do not actually spell the said offending words, to me, should NOT be subject to censorship! Ron, you are just NOT the sharpest tool in the shed bubba. It’s always a good rule of thumb,(I have found) to not make declaretive statements that are not empiracle. I used to do that when I was your age, ended up eatin crow~ on occassion

By Serbok

August 18, 2007 4:40 AM | Link to this

Wayne How’s life my friend? Read your previous post, and All seems to be headed in right direction 4u:o) Thats awesome dude! I agree with ya on Cormier vs Webb, Course was hopin to pull it out tho? DUH? LOL The joy of BB is happening NOW! To bad some ppl cant enjoy whats happening in the moment? I mean, even IF we dont make the playoffs~ I’ve had a blast watching this team! Totally enjoyed the excitement of getting TEX! As long as He is signed to a multi yr contract the braves STOLE him! However IF by some weird happenstance we do not sign him AND the Bravos go to the WS this yr and Next~ To me t was worth it!

By Yars

August 18, 2007 6:54 AM | Link to this

Let’s look at the loss this way, at least we didn’t get no-hit by Webb. Before, KJ’s bloop double, I was afraid that Webb was going to throw a no hitter. He was that good last night. The positive is, we are only 1.5 games behind in the Wildcard, but we now have 2 teams to climb over. (Padres & Phillies) Cormier didn’t pitch that bad.

By Bob, Journalist

August 18, 2007 7:04 AM | Link to this

BravesDave, sorry about the delay in responding … my internet connection has been intermittent over the last 24 hours.

I wasn’t suggesting that the Blog postings were negative toward Tex … nor was I addressing the overall general feeling though I’m not sure what that was.

I wasn’t addressing what ESPN, CNNSI, FoxSports or the various sports’ websites said but I have no doubt that ours was accepted as the best of the trades.

Were I to guess at the overall feeling on the Blog, it was that we needed starting pitching and that Tex didn’t pitch … but, that we certainly didn’t need Andruw following Chipper in the lineup and Tex would address our problems at first base; offensively and defensively.

I agree that virtually everyone felt and continues to feel that adding Tex was a positive … but, I don’t think there was overwhelming agreement on the potential impact it would have on the team’s success rate … that doesn’t mean I’m right … maybe there was.

Regarding Matt’s playing 1st base, it’s very possible that he hasn’t played there this season … and if he has, certainly not much at all … I haven’t seen him so do but, it’s my understanding that he has some experience at the position and is capable of adequately so doing … assuming that to be the case, I, for one, supported giving him the opportunity so that both Willie and he could play on a full time basis as opposed to the Thorman-Wilson-Salty Platoon.

I personally would have sought to trade Brian rather than Salty … because I thought his trade value would have been higher and my impression was that his potential was a bit higher than Brian’s, given his arm and switch hitting … but that was just personal opinion and my knowledge of the position is very limited.

With regard to the protection for Chipper, I’m not one but there are those who thought that Frenchy has matured to the point that he could offer such protection, pointing to his increased average and RISP numbers, or at least that was my read of the situation … should his recent success going with the pitch with authority continue to develop, then I would agree with those who so thoutht, but I didn’t at the time of the trade, nor do I currently.

However, I think that Matt’s ability to hit for average against both right and left handed pitching is well established and allows him to fill that role … I qualified my comments, or at least so intended, with a Tex’s reputation appositive … he has more power but even so, I wouldn’t expect Chipper to be pitched around with a .340 hitter with reasonable power on deck … no more so than with a .290 power threat.

I do think that the Braves offense is now the best in the league … it was a talented group before the trade and it’s improved with the addition of Tex and we should see some improvement in the won-loss results but that depends on a lot more than raw offensive talent and I still don’t think there was a consensus regarding the impact on the team’s success other than directionally … before or at the time of the trade.

Just my opinion … no intent to be argumentative, sarcastic or humorous … and I wasn’t suggesting it was a majority opinion … everyone else may think that everyone was in agreement … I just don’t happen to so think.

Methinks it was Frog Millhouse who said that it was nice to be important … but more important to be nice! There was a talented man behind that mask!

By Nikki

August 18, 2007 7:34 AM | Link to this

I heard the Tex ditty on the radio. It is pretty catchy. It’s something you don’t mind listening to —- unlike the Falcons Fever song.

By The Grinch

August 18, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

Morning, all. BravesDave, one thing you and a lot of others bemoaning the Tex trade seem to be leaving out of the equation is that Renteria’s been out almost the whole time Tex’s been here. We swapped a .330 hitter with power for a .280 hitter with a little more power. Until Edgar gets back, we’ve gotten just about as much offensive boost as that swap would indicate. Also, I respect anyone’s right to be negative, but most of us are smart enough to get the point with 5-7 of those kind of posts per evening. The extra 8-10 are somewhat superfluous. I’m honestly not trying to tell you how often to post or to be a smart@$$, it’s just you hammer it home so often it begins to sound like Robert and it’s quite the buzzkill. We get it; the Braves suck and aren’t going to make the playoffs.

Ok, got to go spend my birthday moving furniture (thanks for remembering, FBG). Later, all.

By Josh H

August 18, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

First of all, everyone on here had to expect that we were going to lose last night. Webb is on fire, and he just 2-hit one of the best lineups in the National League. Only Kelly and Francouer managed to do anything against him.

That said, Cormier pitched great last night. It won’t look good on the scoreboard, but his 2-run homer came right at the 100 pitch mark in the 8th inning, and he was probably trying to force some pitches since he knew he didn’t have the run support. If that pitcher who threw tonight can make about 8 more starts like that, we might actually be able to put together a run.

Go Bravos tonight!

By Bob, Journalist

August 18, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

in rereading my posts, I feel that it might be perceived that I had perhaps been baiting ijonathan with my “most likely” question … but that wasn’t the case … and I appreciated his response … however my response was just one of my poorly constructed efforts … and it should have been one of my better ones, having lost the connection three times while writing it so I had plenty of practice.

Gil, my hot water tank sounded like an airplane engine for about 2 hours so I gave it a break … no hot tub … but, as I’ve indicated we’ve been having problems with our Internet connection … and I did miss the game!

By monty

August 18, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Braves need to rise to the occassion. Something they just don’t seem to be able to do. Yeh, Webb would have shut out any team last night ,his stuff is even better than Hudsons when he is on. He throws nothing straight and even his mistakes arent really mistkes because even though they may be up in the zone you can’t square them up. Let’s see what happens today and tommorrow. THE great ones usually beat you but what do you do with the middle tier and 3rd tier pitchers.Nice performance by Cormier,wish Bobby had of gotten him out sooner in the 8th, knew something was about to happen,sometimes seems like Bobby can’t feel what you are feeling at home watching the game.

By Bob, Journalist

August 18, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

ChrisKlob … I know you well enough to know your intent … my initial response was quite different and suggested that most would find the gambling issue to be the greater of the crimes since it would be more likely to place them in harms way … while how they feel on the substance issue probably depends on the defender … for example, were Chipper to be so accused, I can well imagine some who condemn Barry … defending Larry’s so doing out of self defense since so many others were so doing.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

After reading through last night’s posts it is very hard for me to “Johnny Mercer”(Accentuate the Positive), so I’ll just say this: I’m sorry the Braves lost, but there is a game tonight. Go Braves!

Not to be a brown-noser, but I was really glad to read where Carroll laid down the law. The “most offending”post had been removed,but I’m sure it was bad. Anyway, you go girl!

Finally, Braveheart aka Raver was the only one to tell me goodnight, and then the only one to take a swipe at me as I dreamed of my youth.(No, they[the dream{s}] were not “damp”.) This from my nephew. Family ties just don’t mean anything anymore.

If anyone wants to “talk” to me get me quickly, before I fall back asleep.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Grinch We had an unfortunate “passing” here at the home. And after an “on-site” postmortem, they had a garage sale on used parts. For your birthday I bought you a “slightly-used” brain. I’m having it delivered(UPS ground)to your house and Coach has agreed to come over, unscrew your head, and stuff it in.

You have a nice one, y’hear? :-)

By JEB

August 18, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Carrol Rogers: 3 cheers and a BIG Hurray for YOU! Your post at 11:13 pm was to the point and much needed! Those type blogs just ruin good conversations in this blog. Take all the joy out of reading the good comments! On another note… If Cormier can start turning it around and start pitching in the mode he pitched last night… well, we have got some good things coming our way for the next few weeks and a good reason to have hope in our Braves turning things around (especially in this spot in the rotation!)Last night he just faced a Cy Young - and facing a good line up pitched great!

By Savannah Guy

August 18, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Grinch Happy Birthday! A man should not have to move furniture on his birthday. Unless of course it’s to position the new leather recliner, complete with a drink holder, remote control slot and a swinging-arm laptop table alongside that just arrived. Bravesblog Command Station. Didn’t get that? The day is young.

Hope to see you on the 31st at the game. You’ll have to let us know where/when at the stadium, so fellow denizens can come over and pay due respect to the blog and the Wurlitzer. If AJC would spring for Lew plane tix and hotel to present it, with you as the Committee rep, all the better.

By ncscoots

August 18, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

I guess the “realistic” bloggers will have to plop me squarely in the Pollyanna Platoon. I don’t believe I have the goods to join their fraternity. Oh, I can analyze with the best of ‘em: I’m a smart guy, I played under and was taught by smart baseball people, I played at a high enough level to understand nuance…I can talk angle-to-the-plate and stiff-front-side all you want. In truth, I probably do more of that than I should, though less than others. But that’s for another post.

But I’m not a GM, scout, TV analyst, or beat writer. Baseball isn’t in my job description. And I already have beaucoup realism in my life, as do most, I suspect. I love baseball because it helps me ESCAPE reality, LOL. I exult when the Braves win and despair when they lose, but mostly I thrill to the simple playing of the game. Believe me, if I ever watch a baseball game and see only arm slots and swing planes, strengths and weaknesses, I’ll know it’s time for me to switch to curling or lacrosse or Australian rules football or something of the like. The joy of baseball will have departed.

So curse me for not being realistic, if ye desire, and it’s a burden I’ll gratefully bear. Meanwhile, whip me up a pitcher of Kool-Aid (Cherry’s my fave), and I’ll gladly drink it all the way to game 162. In the end, my thirst will have been quenched…a condition highly preferable to the parched, dry throat of “realistic”.

By Hubert

August 18, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Great stuff, man!!! Glad you brought it to our attention. Played it twice so far. Definitely future “stars”!!

By Savannah Guy

August 18, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Wurlitzer Presentation Just when I hit the last post I thought…why limit ourselves? Perhaps AJC, in the spirit of the DOB blog (and PR value for themselves), bring ALL of the Wurlitzer Committe to Atlanta for the presentation.

Why not? Not that much money. DOB could preside over the affair. Lew can present the Wurlitzer. Grinch could liven it up as Master of Ceremonies? Maybe Jimmy could sing the Star Spangled Banner? Wouldn’t that take some of the bite out of the recent, uh…American Idle disappointment? Bob, Journalist could document the event and capture the moment in a story for the blog? Carolina Lady could add grace and charm (and keep everyone straight). DOB tee’s all around? Would be perfect. Just thinkin…

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Speaking of The Star Spangled Banner(How’s that for a transition?): Doesn’t it frost you when your team plays a Canadian team and Oh Canada can be sung so beautifully by almost anyone with a good voice? And, I have never heard it sung with the “voice slides”, falsettos and the just plain to-hell-with-the-tune-I’ll-sing-it-my-way way “renditions” we have to sit through when TSSB is sung. Call me grumpy, but I don’t see why it must be “rendered” at every sporting event, but if it is, I would like to hear our country really be honored.

By KC

August 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Well, not much we could do to avoid that loss I’m afraid. We ran into a buzsaw (Webb), and had our 5th starter up against him. It happens.

However, that was the most encouraging loss I’ve seen in a long time.

Hullava job by Lance Cormier!

If he pitches like he did last night… the Braves WILL make the playoffs (barring major injuries of course).

By Savannah Guy

August 18, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Scoots 9:27: Nice post and well said. Very well indeed. That’s the kind of baseball I like to watch. It’s human, it’s finesse, it’s strategy, excitement, it’s hope, it’s escape…it’s the ultimate in sports (I’m biased to baseball) and it’s the only “reality TV” I care to watch. It’s the thrill of victory, agony of defeat. It’s not just a game. It’s the great American pastime.

Not to get off on semantics, but yours is not Pollyanna, but the kind of positive, seasoned realism I relate with and try to remember…even when passionate in close games or when the inevitable frustration sets in, especially when I’m here on the blog (I try anyway). Of course you know that your perspective is not really Pollyanna at all…it’s just well rounded sports perspective and a how it all fits into your life’s priorities. But your point was well made…unless it’s perceived by and compared with nattering naybobs that only see the failures in every player or situation. Perhaps they didn’t participate in sports, so it’s more like a video game or something?

Baseball is special. Every at bat and every pitch is intense when the game is on the line. Maybe that’s partly because I pitched myself, although not at a high level as you I’m sure (I quit after pony league to take up surfing). Point is, those guys on the field are perfectly imperfect. Stats and swing planes never have told the whole story of baseball, although they do provide metrics and history that is helpful to some yet all-telling and all-important to others. To each their own. For myself, the game is perfect, with all its struggles, successes, failures, guts and glory.

Whoa…here I am pontificating before noon (brevity course needed) when I have a list of “honey do’s” waiting. Scoots, it’s all your fault. You inspired me and reminded me how great this game is. Go Braves!

Oh, and dittos on the cherry flavor.

By Charlie Brown

August 18, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

All I had for a center fielder was my dog Snoopy, and Lucy was never as good as Cox!!

**On the serious side — I ‘m wondering why Ron got disciplined last night and yet SJA is allowed to come on this blog and cuss and threaten any and all he choses yet NEVER gets banned.

WHY is that Carroll?

I can see by the names blogging that it looks like a lot of bloggers have recently been banned. Yet SJA is still here and Ron is being warned for nothing even close to what SJA says.

Just wondering? Would you care to answer??**

By KC

August 18, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Is Adam Eaton hurt, or did the Phillies give up on him? He didn’t make his last turn in their rotation.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

SG Are your infamous “White Russians” made with Kool-Aid? And, I know they are not cherry-flavored. :-)

Charley Brown Whether your observations about SJA, Ron et al are correct, or not, why start off a new day by stirring the pot? Ron took his “correction” in good spirits and moved on. Why don’t you?

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

C-h-a-r-l-i-e Brown No disrespect intended.

By KC

August 18, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Is Adam Eaton hurt, or did the Phillies give up on him? He didn’t make his last turn in their rotation.

By Eric C.

August 18, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Yet another excuse for losing for the Braves. Let’s see…we’ve blamed ESPN, and the unbalanced interleague schedule, Brandon Webb, etc. Keep the excuses coming and miss the playoffs.

Sure, Renteria’s absence has been a negative…but Escobar has filled in well for the most part.

Getting Tex sure hasn’t compared as well to getting the “crime dog” back in 1993. Remember the jump-start McGriff brought?

By don

August 18, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Chrisklob, look at when Teixeira hit those homeruns. Somehow, a solo home run in the 9th inning when you are down by eight runs doesn’t add crap.

Since you are so brilliant, tell us just exactly in which wins Texeira has made the difference since coming to town? The answer is “none”.

Too bad he can’t pitch.

By Carolina Lady

August 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

CarrollR, bravo for taking a stand for decency. A lot of folks appreciate it!

Grinch, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Without doubt you are the perfect presenter in Lew’s absence and I’ve just been pulling your chain, I hope you already know. (‘Sides they ain’t got enough tea in china to convince me to take on a make-over project of that magnitude!)

Sure wish I could be there to see it! Ought to be great!

LEW, you are one in a million!
That is some valuable artwork you are giving away!

By Wayne in Utah

August 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Reads like there was quite a pity part last night with bravesdave, uga and ron. Like a bunch of KKKer’s whipping each other up into a frenzy.

don: either you know very little about baseball, or you should join the 3 mentioned above in their parties.

Happy B’day Grinch. Moving furniture is not so bad for your birthday. You wouldn’t want to just kick back, lay around sipping on a lemonaide would ya?

My newest prediction (gotta give the late nighters something else to whine about in future weeks):

Braves will win EVERY game from here on out. Tex WILL hit a grand slam in every game. Francoeur will also hit 30 HR’s in September, while batting .200, just to make the complainers happy. And, out 3-4-5 guys will totally SUCK, so that the whiners will STILL have something to whine about.

Kool-Aid Drinkers Unite!!!

By KC

August 18, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

IF LANCE CORMIER HAS REGAINED HIS FROM LAST SEPTEMBER/THIS SPRING… THE BRAVES ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE.

It’s too early to conclude that Cormier’s the solid #3 starter we’ve been missing… but if he is, the Braves are in business. If Atlanta’s hopes for Cormier are finally realized, the rotation will be as good as any in the league.

Over the past 11 months, the Braves have seen enough of what Cormier showed last night, to believe this could be just the beginning. Everyone knows Cormier had a great spring, but many forget that was just a continuation of what he gave the Braves late last year, when he went 2-1 with a 3.25 ERA in 5 September starts. Cormier might be the guy to plug the leak in the Braves dam. We’ll see.

And let’s not stone Chuck James just yet. We all know he’s a 5-6 inning pitcher, and we know he’s prone to the longball. But at the same time, he’s MUCH better than he pitched Thursday. Granted, we certainly don’t want look to him as our 3rd starter. But at the bottom-of-the-rotation, a guy who’s likely to post an ERA at or under 4.00 is a huge asset.

Carlyle is a solid bottom-end-of-rotation guy, and we have 2 legitimate aces… something no one else in the NL (save the Padres) can say.

The offense is already the best in the league, and the bullpen will gain some much needed depth on September 1st. The rotation after Smoltz and Hudson is the only question. So again, if Cormier is for real, then the Braves are for real… in a very big way.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Don Chrisklob is not here right now. He is usually on during the games, rooting for the Braves. He generally leaves this time of day to the Monday-morning-managers that come on just to rip. Catch him later.

By KC

August 18, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

UPCOMING PITCHING MATCHUPS:

VS. D-BACKS:

Carlyle… VS. Owings: 5-6, 4.76

Smoltz… VS. ? (either a rookie call-up or B.H.Kim)

IN CINCINNATI:

Hudson… VS. Dumatrait: 0-1, 10.32 (LOL)

Chuck James… VS. Livingston: 3-3, 4.70

Lance Cormier… VS. Arroyo: 6-13, 4.58

Carlyle… VS. Ramirez: (rookie… no ML stats)

By DAP

August 18, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

don geez, people like you are annoying. people who think that tex hasnt done anything for the team since hes been here. here are a few examples of him helping the braves win without even doing research on it.

1. back to back triples from chipper and then TEX to score a run during a mets game, which we won.

2. back to back homeruns from chipper and tex in the last game of the mets series, which we almost ended up losing. turned outt o be a huge run.

3. tex scored on a wild pitch from third in a close game against the giants.

4. tex homered to lead of an inning verus the giants, which lead to a four run innings for the braves and got them the lead and eventually the win.

don, you clearly are not paying attention, so just be quiet. tex has been great since coming here, but we need to pitching to start holding teams off now.

By Lew

August 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Oh, The Humanity-Grinches have birthdays. I suppose it sdhould be a happy one. In fact, I’m sure the Grinch will indulge in mood enhancement-at least once the Maternal Unit has her way with him as a common laborer. Happy Birthday Grinch. We’ll get you to that game yet, as a presenter of Wurlitzers.

By Wayne in Utah

August 18, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Alright! KC had his cup of Kool-Aid this morning. We got a larger pitcher made for anyone who wants to drink.

KC You are right about the team. Things can always go wrong, but if they don’t, watch out.

BTW, in many years, it has been 1-2 dominant starters who have carried a team through the playoffs. The worst part is that timing is EVERYTHING. If we use up Smoltz and Hudson to get into a playoff slot, and another team doesn’t have to, then we have our back end of the rotation going against a teams 1-2 pitchers.

So, if we can get into the big show, with out two best positioned well, then the possibilities are unlimited.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

don, you should really do your research before you spout off at the mouth.

Tex has 5 HR and 15 RBI as a Brave. Only two of the HR’s were hit in either blowout wins or losses. As for the other three, one was hit on August 2 in a one run loss to Houston. Another was hit on August 9 against the Mets. Braves won that game 7-6. The other was hit on August 14 against the Giants. Braves won that game 5-4. Notice that each win was by ONE run. So yes, Tex HAS made a difference.

If the Braves hadn’t won those two games they would presently be 6.5 games behind the Mets instead of 4.5.

With 5 HR and 15 RBI he would be on pace for 46 HR and 162 RBI for a full season. Sure, some of them will come at times when they aren’t useful but plenty of them will such as the two cited above.

By the way, I never claimed to be brilliant, just informed. And if I find myself uninformed I figure out a way to fix it.

By TheSouthernJackAss

August 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

That’s right—why doesn’t AJC..DOB..Carroll..Moe..Larry..Curly..or maybe even the damn Aflac duck grow a damn pair…and ban TheSouthernJackAss from this site so all you hypocritical, two-faced pukes and retarded sonsabitches like Ron Roberts will be happy?…

Go ahead…make my day!…

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Wayne You kool-aid-Pollyanna, you! :-)

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, I didn’t know Chrisklob and SJA were both “available” to speak for themselves. And, in their own ways, they do it so much better than I.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Paladin, no problem friend. I appreciate you watching my back for me!

Wayne, you forgot to tell us that the pitching staff will not give up any runs except for James. He will give up one solo HR to an opposing pitcher, but that will only be so the negative nellies will have some reason to come on the blog!

Wayne, you’re a Clemson guy right? Don’t know if you saw the report that Ray Ray McElrathbey blew out his ACL and is done for the year. It’s not a big blow to the team, but it’s a shame because he’s such a good story.

By BravesFanChris22

August 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Firstly, Andrew & Tyler are awesome. I love the song. It is just so awesome and catchy, I hope they actually show the performance on TV.

Secondly, Even though Braves lost last night, something encouraging came out of it. That something is Lance Cormier’s performance. If he can continue to be like that the rest of the way and Buddy does his thing, the rotation should be fine. Put James in the 4 hole and have Buddy be the #3 and Cormier be the #5. I think that would make sense.

By TampaBrave

August 18, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

MEMO To Ron and his minions

At 10:09pm, you threw a tantrum about Tex and how I said we would win games like last night . Apparently, you mistakenly feel I guaranteed we would win every game. I contended, and still do, that we are a better team with Tex. Anyone want to disagree with that? Not once did I say we would win every game. I did say that he would help us score more runs because we were losing too many games where we scored 3 or less runs. That being said, I think he has fulfilled that. Nobody was going to hit Webb last night, though Tex hit one extremely hard last night into the shift and walked on another occasion. Webb was on!! Now Ron & minions, I’m sorry we lost and I’m sorry you felt the need to be profane. More than that I’m sorry I even responded to you the way I did. You didn’t throw the first stone, it was a brick. Anybody who even cares can reread your 10:09pm post. Personally, I’ve moved on.

Carroll Rogers I regret getting into it with the guy. I usually try and keep it clean. First to say I’ve made a few mistakes and learned lessons from them.

Braveheart

Didn’t appreciate your piling on,hatchet job. I have engaged you in good spirited takes and have never attacked you personally. The only person I give a hard time to is Shaun, for obvious reasons. I thought your comments were beneath you as I have enjoyed most of your posts.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

August 18, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

KC,

the Diamondbacks released Kim again…

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AiVhGmMQcNKTWf7q7CrwJpKFCLcF?slug=ap-diamondbacks-kim&prov=ap&type=lgns

By Savannah Guy

August 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Is American Idol…idle? No, brain in idle and spell like and idiot.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave Here is a s-t-r-o-k-e for you. Now, as you said, let’s move on. And, btw, I think the Braves are a better team with Tex, and will get better. So, there!

By Braveheart

August 18, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave, I enjoy your posts as well. Sometimes, you hit below the belt and I can understand why Ron or others may want to fire back later on. I’ve been tempted a few times to go after you myself. BUT Lord knows, I am as guilty as anyone of being a tasteless cheap shot artist at times so I have been trying to let things go (still not perfect with it). Someday, you may catch up to me in cheap personal shots at people. Hopefully, not. So, not looking down on you. Just trying to kill a stupid situation between the two of you. Take it for what it’s worth.

By KC

August 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Wayne In Utah: Not drinking the Kool-Ade yet. Cormier still has much to prove. I just think that because of the way he pitched last September and over the Spring… there’s significant reason for hope last night wasn’t just a lucky day at the office.

Berigan: I didn’t hear that. Then it’ll either be a minor-league call-up or a bullpen start. Either way… looks pretty good for us on Sunday.

By Colin

August 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

We need to win the next 9 in a row…or 8 out of 9 to be in good shape….

By Braveheart

August 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Wayne, with reference to your post last night, I think it kind of made sense to match up Cormier vs. Webb. With the way Webb is going, what sense would it have made to match up Smoltz or Hudson with him? They’re good but not as good as Webb right now. So, we would have ended up in yet another game of Smoltz not getting enough run support. It was almost an automatic loss going in, so you might as well throw Cormier out there and continue our 10-24 trend when the top 4 starters are not pitching. However, Cormier was damn good last night - very promising. Just not Webb good but who is? After his last 40 innings, they need to change Jason Bourne’s real name from David Webb to Brandon Webb because Brandon Webb is one bad mofo. Okay, that was really corny.

And, yeah, I’m still one of the Kool Aid drinkers. But, at this point of the season, we better make it sugar free Kool Aid to prevent us from bouncing off the walls with unrealistic optimism.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Holy cow! You know it is getting late in the day when the huckleberries are on the vine. But, don’t pick them(or pick at them)’cause they are a blog institution. Some say they should be wurlitzered, others that they should be institutionalized, but if this blog had a Mt. Rushmore, they would be on the lower back-side. :-)

By Wayne in Utah

August 18, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Alright guys, it’s time to head to Home Depot (one of my favorite places, would be my favorite, except for that Tony Stewart thing!). Gotta pick up a toilet. (Grinch, it could be worse, you could be installing a replacement toilet on your birthday!).

So, before I go, please, everyone, take a big drink of that Kool-Aid. And, let’s get some positive vibes going for Buddy C tonight!

Chris Hadn’t heard about Ray Ray’s misfortune. Top drawer person! While I am a Clemson Alum, my 15 year old is the HUGE fan of their sports program. Says he is going to be their point guard in a few years! We’ll see.

Potty time!

By Braveheart

August 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Wayne, in homage to the Scribe, you need to end your posts now with The Kool Aid Man imbibes.

By Lee in S. GA

August 18, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Colin I agree we need to step it up a notch. Regardless of Webb or whomever was pitching last night the Braves have dug a little hole to climb out of. It’s not over by a long shot but they cannot afford to fall behind further to the Phillies or Mets at this point. They must win the next 2 home games or the homestand will be considered a failure by most.

By Braveheart

August 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Paladin Liked your email this morning. Very funny. Would be very appropriate to send to Wayne since he is headed over to Home Depot right now.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Ray Ray? Now there is a Clumpsun name if I ever “herd” it! I “heered” his replacement is Bubba Bubba. :-)

By Alex

August 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

KC

I know the pitching matchups may favor the Braves right now in the next 6 games, but let’s not get carried away.

1. Last time The Braves were swept by the Reds at HOME!
2. Last time Bronson Arroyo pitched the game of the year against the Braves at the Ted, as far as his own season goes. He dominated them, prompting many fans, including myself to consider if the Braves will indeed try and get him in a trade. He hasn’t looked good since that game! Still, something to think about.
3. What about Aaron Harang? Is he injuried right now? Not sure, but if he is not and is pitching against us, he can be darn good.
4. The Braves usually, struggle against rookie starters they have not seen before, normally…advantage goes to the pitcher at that point.
5. One game at a time! They just need to win tonight, worry about tomorrow afternoon when the time comes.

I do agree, that is next six games, the Braves are facing a very critical stretch. They have to show signs of life, signs that they want to win and get into the playoffs, either as a WC winner or NL East winner, it doesn’t matter, just get on a roll.

Last but not least…I don’t want to hear any more talk about a “good loss”, there is no such thing. It’s a team game. Are we encouraged by Lance Cormier’s start, yes, but they still lost the game. Someone once said…YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. That’s it. Moral victories don’t get logged in the standings in the WC and NL East standings!

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Wayne, while you’re at Home Depot please say hello to Chuck James for me. I heard he’s doing a window installation demonstration at 1 pm!

By Third Place

August 18, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

You’ve got Mark Tuh sher uh, but your silly as$es are still in Th ir d place!

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Braveheart I don’t know that Wayne would appreciate the “punch line(s)”. Not that he is so “straight-laced”, but we don’t know how private his machine is.

By Eric C.

August 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

I agree that Tex is helping some. The Braves would probably be 6-9 or 7-8 instead of 8-7 since he’s been in the line-up. It’s just not enough though.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Third Place That was your finish in the race for brains, and they only gave out two. Plus, your idiot! And, a hippocrite, two.

By Braveheart

August 18, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Klobber

When Chuck is installing windows, do you think he gets about 5/9ths of the way through and just stops?

Or does he do a good job through the first and second window but then stop when he gets to the third window because he can’t get through the third window like he can’t get through the third time against the opposing lineup?

I’m also guessing he specializes in the installation of windows for the roof since he is always looking up at fly balls.

Should not have gone there. I’m actually a big Chuck fan but I just could not resist a few corny jokes at his expense.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, I’m a Chuckie fan too and really hope he gets it figured out before he gets shipped out. It’d be nice to have someone in the rotation that’s a product of the Braves farm system.

Still, until he starts taking things seriously he’s gonna get ribbed from time to time! I really wish that he’d develop that third pitch he so desperately needs and study some damn film from time to time so he can get a game plan together to attack hitters.

By Bob, Journalist

August 18, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Somebody on the blog who’s succinct and understands nuance, and at a high level too … goodness, that’s over my head, it must be Saturday!

Of course, I don’t see that as an especial advantage within our environs where almost everyone’s posts are subtle and to the point … but it sounds nice.

While my knowledge of the game pales in comparison to that of the aforereferenced guru, we share a common belief in the value of what some call blind optimism … it’s really just realism Vincent Peale style.

Baseball means different things to different folks … what I remember most is striking out three times the first time I was exposed to a “drop ball” and chats with Eddie Matthews and Country Brown … Shaun can give you statistics, nothing wrong with that … there was a time when I could tell you stories and the pertinent stats on all the Crackers and most of the HOF players … maybe 55-60 years ago … I now have trouble remembering that Babe hit 60 and 714 … but will never his magic day at Forbes Field, though I first found out about it in the news reels several years after it happened … just as I’ll long remember Yunel stealing 2nd base when they weren’t looking and never forget Sid’s Slide.

We’ve got an exciting young team … enjoy!

By TampaBrave

August 18, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Do you think it would be a good idea to separate Cormier and Carlyle in the pitching order? They pitch very similarly and opponents seeing relatively the same stuff two days in a row may hurt Carlyle. Suggest wedging Chuck James in between. Chuck pitched a short stint the other night.

I’m concerned fro Buddy tonight. Hope ADs come out flat. Need to crank the offense.

By Ladle

August 18, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Paladin says, “Whether your observations about SJA, Ron et al are correct, or not, why start off a new day by stirring the pot?”

There’s no possible way Charlie Brown could stir the pot because good old Paladin is always holding the ladle!

By SO LONG METS!

August 18, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

L O V E THE SONG GUYS!!! Everyone should copy and past the articel above and forward to everyone in you e-mail address book. If you have a MYSPACE paste the video on you site and forward it on everyone elses comments page!!!

By KC

August 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Alex: Not getting carried away at all. Just pointing out the matchups. Even though those matchups are favorable, we could very well go 3-3 over the next 6 games.

But as for having been swept by the Reds… let me point out a number of things that will be different in the upcoming series (again, not saying we’re immune to a similar outcome, just that circumstances are different)…

HERE ARE THE KEY DIFFERENCES FROM THAT SERIES TO THIS ONE:

1 - In the last series against the Reds, the Braves started Kyle Davies and JoJo Reyes against the Reds. Those starters have since been replaced with Buddy Carlyle and Lance Cormier. If Cormier pitches anything like he did last night… that’s a dramatic improvement.

2 – In the last series, Harang pitched a great game against us. However, it does not appear he will pitch in this series. Yes, he is healthy… but Harang is scheduled to start tomorrow, and the Braves series starts the following day. We’re dodging their ace this time, which is certainly a spot of good fortune (especially considering this is a 4 game series).

* 3 – That was the pre-Tex/Mahay version of the Braves the Reds saw in the last series.* The offense has since been substantially upgraded with Tex.

Also, having Mahay down in the pen is a big deal. One of those Reds wins came on a clutch late-inning hit by Griffey. We did not have a quality lefty to throw at Griffey at the time. That’s not to say we were guaranteed an out if Mahay’s on the mound in that situation… but it’s a fact that Griffey hits 50 points lower against lefties.

“The Braves usually, struggle against rookie starters they have not seen before, normally…advantage goes to the pitcher at that point.”

Do you have some numbers to support this statement? Because I haven’t noticed that. Especially with the new Braves lineup (since Tex arrived)… the only time this Braves lineup seems to struggle is when they run into a tough pitcher who is having a good night.

Alex, again… anything can happen. Certainly not trying to suggest they have ANY of these wins in the bag. Just saying circumstances are favorable.

By Justin

August 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

As of 2pm Saturday there were 24,000 hits…..classic

By Double Deuce

August 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

ncscoots and savannah guy

Great job on the 9:24 and 10:35 posts.I had been reading so much doom and gloom from the “experts” who know so much more than the rest of us on this blog I was about to attempt to take them to task. You guys hit it on the head. Fans support their teams and their players to the bitter end, and I don’t care what trends or stats say, the Braves have as good a chance as any team in the NL of getting to the playoffs, and I’ll still be there hoping in game 162.

By KC

August 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

ALEX: Not sure who called last night’s loss “good”, but it certainly wasn’t me.

I said last night’s game was encouraging. It was. There was little we could have done against Webb last night. He’s just in a superhuman zone right now.

By David O'Brien

August 18, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Alex wrote: “Last but not least…I don’t want to hear any more talk about a “good loss”, there is no such thing. It’s a team game. Are we encouraged by Lance Cormier’s start, yes, but they still lost the game. Someone once said…YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. That’s it.”

Yes, indeed. So why doesn’t the same logic apply while the Braves were winning 10 of 15 before facing two stud pitchers on top of their game in the past two nights?

Or does it not apply to wins, when the two or three tireless doom-and-gloomers here who don’t need to be named constantly pointed to how this win or that win wasn’t really a good one because the Braves nearly blew this lead or that team stunk, or whatever? Just wondering if that logic is a one-way street, or goes both ways.

By Eric C.

August 18, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

KC, If you’ve watched the Braves over the years, you don’t need numbers to know that they have struggled against rookie pitchers. I would admit that it isn’t as big as a problem in the past couple of years.

By Excitin_not

August 18, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

The Journalist says, “We’ve got an exciting young team … enjoy!”

So what happened? A huge trade today, and the Braves got rid of about a dozen worthless bums?

By TampaBrave

August 18, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Was pretty hard on Chuckie yesterday. Not sure if it was overreaction, but one thing’s for sure, this was not out of the blue. His performances have been a drain on the BP along with the 5th starter fiasco. The guy is always spent by the fifth inning. I know its his second year, but by pitching every fifth day for a year and a half, any endurance issues should have been resolved.Chrisklob is correct about the third pitch, but most importantly, he must have command of the 2 he has now and avoid being behind in the count so often.Here’s hoping he finds his way for the sake of all Brave’s fans.

By jbutler

August 18, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Been out of the loop lately…but did a quick scan of past few days stories/comments- and wanted to toss my two 1/4 cents in (if its worth that much…) about why its hard to really rally around this team. Talented? Of course. Great deadline move? Absolutely. Pundits- even ESPN -(also lovingly referred to as the “anti-Braves”) are tossing them out as making it post-season.

Every team goes through stretchs of giving away games, slumps- usually nullified over the length of the season. But this team doesn’t have the spark. I finally saw it put into words. CJ let it fly that the team has its eyes set on the wild card. This isn’t the Yankees in May w/the Red Sox 14 games up. A totally winnable division 5 games out. But their big gun is “gunning” for 2nd place in a mediocre division.

Not exactly inspirational.

By Metropolitan Man

August 18, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Hello brave bloggers. Saw where the Auburn guys did a little diddy. I havent heard it or seen it but does it require a response from the METS faithful or can I just let it slide????

Happy B-day GRINCH. I got a METS hat and a book by Jeff Pearlman for ya “The Year, the Bad Guys Won”, a great read about those bullying 86’ METS.

I dont know what to say to the braves nation. Cant really gage your moods from the blog. Some still optimistic, others pessimistic. The FAIRWEATHERS are now easily spotted, but you loyalist make the fanbase…clean it up.

This season is so crazy, I worried about the bravos so much that even though you guys are in 3rd, nobody ever pays attention to the second place team. Just the METS and braves…go figure!!! I worried about the braves catching the METS, and nobody can shake the philthies. Even though I would rather see any other NL east team besided the braves win it (if the METS dont), this philthy team is getting on my nerves. Winning without all the pieces, I saw the METS do that in 06’.

By TampaBrave

August 18, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Any win is good, of course! A loss can be good if something positive can be taken from it. Losing games with double digit runners left on base are frustrating. I think the fact that some bloggers(Ron) get carried away speaks to how competitive our society is. We AB fans are worse because we think we should win 9 out of every 10. We have been treated to one of the greatest runs in baseball history and we are accustomed to winning. We are spoiled brats, some worse than others.

Myself, I took hope out of last nights game, hope than our deadly fifth starter issue may be solved. Great job Lance. Good observation DOB.

By KC

August 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Eric C.:

Respectfully… first of all, “we don’t need numbers” is usually an opening statement for a very flimsy case.

But even if it’s true that we have struggled against rookie pitchers (and I’m not convinced of that) in the recent past… it should be noted that this is not the same team as “over the years”. It’s not the same lineup as last year or the year before. It’s not even the same lineup we had back in July.

Maybe this kid the Reds are throwing out there will pitch a gem against us. Could happen. But I’m certainly going to feel a lot better about facing a rookie than I am an established quality pitcher and day of the week.

By Carroll Rogers

August 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Glad to see everybody is back playing nice today. Thanks.

Have a good day, all. DOB is back on the clock today.

By gotigers72

August 18, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

The Braves are 8-7 since Teixeira came on board. Mediocre, same as before. Not his fault. He’s hit homers and driven in runs which is what the Braves got him to do. But it looks like so much for the “Teixeira will take us to the World Series” crowd.

It’s all about pitching, and the Braves just don’t have enough. After Smoltz and Hudson, it’s inconsistency period. The 5th spot is a black hole, and Chuck has been giving up more homers than Carter has liver pills. He’s leading the league in homers per 9 innings. If he doesn’t learn to get the ball down, he’ll keep giving them up too. You can’t pitch up with the stuff he’s got. Chuck gave up 4 night before last, Cormier and Yates gave up 3 last night. What’s up with that? What’s the over/under on homers given up tonight, 5?6? And all of those homers were given up in what is supposedly a “pitcher’s park”. Pathetic.

By Heraclitus

August 18, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Greeks philosophers mingled amongst 2-dollar outhouse scribes—and one is hard-pressed to distinguish twixt either.

By Bob, Journalist

August 18, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

I don’t normally have too much to say about when the big dog barks at the puppies but kudos to Carroll Rogers … boorishness is the forte of the weak … I missed the offending posts but the tolerance levels herein are such that to deserve and rate such attention suggests that the behavior was both intentional and despicable … and that the offenders should be banned, regardless of whom they might be.

One would also suspect that those defending such behavior, openly or insidiously, are themselves of the same ilk.

However, accepting their gambit of frontal attack invitations only increases their resolve and helps them in acheiving their objectives … it may be long in coming but they will rue the day that they elected to be satisfied with a life without significant purpose and of little consequence … their plight is pitiful and it’s that realization that causes the behavior … unfortunately, a continuation of the behavior exacerbates the problem and the pitiful plight becomes a hopeless one.

Deal with them as you will but stay out of the gutter … that’s their playground, and there’s really no need to soil your hands in so doing.

Methinks they’re a bit like the boy who lashes out against society because he is denied opportunity as a result of inadequate education … when it would be easy enough to apply himself to get the education required for the opportunity.

By Kentavo

August 18, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

ChrisKlob thanks for the tip on the Kenny Chesney show in Myrtle - but I found out it’s at The Alabama Theatre (which is next door to the House of Blues).

Everybody here is tight-lipped about it - can you send me what info you know about it to kkimes@weeklysurge.com.

Thanks, and GO BRAVES, BEAT D-BACKS!!

By Chop Chop

August 18, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

As a ballplayer, you can’t let losses carry over from one day to the next. You can’t let wins breed over-confidence. The best teams are ones that get over losses quickly and truly attempt to win every game. After all, the one game you give up on could be the one that sends you to the golf course.

As a baseball fan, it’s hard for me to believe a loss can destroy a season unless it happens in a big game at the end of the year. It’s just common sense, really. I mean, so what if you blow a 4-run lead back in May? You have plenty of games left to make up for that loss. Most fans can accept that. However, as the season goes along, the number of fans who can accept “crippling” losses will dwindle down to only the most optimistic few.

By the final week of this season, some bloggers here will be claiming the Braves are still in the race when they’re 4 games out with 3 left to play. There may even be a couple who will say the Mets will win the division by 6 games. Yeah, it’ll be after the Mets have been eliminated from postseason contention, but you have to give those fans credit for believing, right?

I guess what I’m saying is that when you have no control over what happens on the field, you’re more likely to be given to flights of fancy and wild mood swings. Some losses are going to stick in your craw, especially when you can’t go out there and do something about it yourself. That’s the nature of being a fan. That’s why I don’t get caught up in who is “nattering nabob of negativism” and who is a “Pollyanna Kool-Aid drinker”. People come here from all different walks of life and bring their incorrect viewpoints with them. Lousy b*******…(Sarcasm?)

Anyway, if everyone here were goosestepping in mindless, slavish subservience to whatever we’re told by the Braves, the AJC, Baseball Prospectus, Joe Morgan, Tim McCarver, those demons that command us to kill, Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, John Tesh, etc., this blog would be a damn boring place. At least we have a solid core of regulars who show up and are generally sane. That acts as a good counterweight to those of us who ain’t sane generally.

By A--ville Ranger

August 18, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Last night somebody posted that patience is the wrong approach to a pitcher like Webb.The idea was to hack away (yes my friend check your words).I posted that patience at the plate as I define it is about more than taking pitches.Watching the Yankees in the late 90s at some point it came to me,it was like…ok I get it.This was at the height of the homerun frenzy.While everybody cheered the drug fueled antics the Yanks without a big power guy in the lineup chewed pitchers up.Joe Torre used the words Patience and aggressive almost interchangeably.The Braves saw a total of 103 pitches last night.It looks to me like this team is reverting to the one real flaw in BC’s approach.He’s said over and over regarding Andruw and others that the underlying numbers don’t matter if they’re producing rbi.I just disagree and think many of his post season problems stem from it.In the last three months I see just six or so wins against top line starters.In the last Mets series they beat Maine and Perez (both were off their top season form)Tom Gorzelanny of the Pirates,Curt Schilling Red Sox and C Sabathia Indians.If this team has any real shot at winning it all they must view an out as currency.BC needs to use all 27 more wisely.The eastern term chi refers to a balance of the Yin-Yang,most great boxers understand this near oxymoronic idea of controled aggression.Call it what you will,working the pitcher or just plain smart hitting.It is imperative they get it.

By Metropolitan Man

August 18, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

I dont get it. You guys get Tex, lose Renteria and it seems as though there was no change. Alou comes back and now the METS are averaging 6 runs and 12 hits, but we lose Delgado. The comparison is basically that you really didnt need Tex, you needed Starting pitching and didnt get it. Forget the bats, you guys had bats at the begininning of the season, you guys need a numbers 3-5 pitcher, let alone a 5th starter. Tex, or no Tex, the braves need pitching. The METs need bullpen help, and the Phils need a manager. Fix these holes and then we can truly judge these teams. LETS GO METS!!!!

By Kathy

August 18, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Awesome song, guys! I love it! Very catchy, clever and well written. And you’re right, every time Tex comes up to bat this song will start playing in my head. Let’s go Mark T! And let’s go Braves!!!

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

I think people, as usual, are twisting my words regarding Teixiera. I never said that he wasn’t making an impact. I think Teixiera has been excellent. What I was pointing out was that, unfortunately, the trades to acquire Tex, Mahay, and Dotel have not made the expected impact on the Braves record. They are 8-7 with Teixiera in the lineup. I think the trades were great trades, they just haven’t pushed the Braves out of their .500 cycle.

I love the way all of the positive people are now claiming that they haven’t been trumpeting how wonderful the Braves offense would be with Teixiera. Give me a break.

Wins are a wins and losses are losses. There are games the Braves should win, and there are games the Braves should lose, I guess. But if the Braves are going to lose games that they should win, like a sweep against the Reds or three losses to the SF Giants, then they need to win some games that they should lose…like maybe beat a playoff quality starter like Brandon Webb on a night when your 5th starter pitches like John Smoltz.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

August 18, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

A strange story on Brian McCann, and his brother…really don’t like the “Style” they chose for this story…. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2977687

By Kentavo

August 18, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

I’m on the starting pitching bandwagon - we need it, but probably ain’t gonna get it, as Contreras, Towers and Trachsel seem to be the only ones that have cleared waivers.

By chrisklob

August 18, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Kentavo, the Kenny Chesney concert is a private event being hosted by one of the spirits companies I represent. Cruzan Rum is one of his sponsors and they’ve invited people that work for Cruzan, the distributors from around the country, and possibly some consumers that won the trip in a contest of some sort.

Unfortunately, it isn’t possible to buy tickets which is why people are probably reluctant to talk about it or just don’t know much about it.

I may have been misinformed about the location of the event. I’d been told HOB but you may be right about it being at the Alabama Theater.

I’ll be there although I really don’t care to be. I’m not a Chesney fan. Not a hater, just don’t care that much for him.

By TampaBrave

August 18, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

MetroMan

If there was a decent starter out there that we could afford had any type of positive impact, then trust me, JS would have been all over it. The only deal going was for Tex and based on the landscape, was a great pickup. We had a hole in the middle of our lineup you could fly a 747 through. This has also served to take a little pressure off of AJ, get Chipper better pitches to hit, sure up the right side defense(jury still out on Kelly) with a gold glover. We needed Tex and a starter, so we did what we could do. Good pitchers don’t grow on trees like money does. Though the results are not fully in, I think we are much better with Tex than without.

By Alex

August 18, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

KC

Hey, my bat. I thought I saw someone call it a “good loss”, call it not carefully checking the posts this time.

I am glad the Braves are missing Harang…I think Aaron Harang on any top tier team and away from the cracker box that is the Great American Ballpark will be an instant 20 game winner. The guy is a gamer and he chews up some innings, saving the pen. That definitely helps the Braves in the upcoming series.

I don’t have stats to support the Braves vs. Rookie pitchers, I am not much of a stat geek I am afraid, more of a general observation over the years. I know we all follow the Braves year round, so what I’ve noticed is that rookie pitchers tend to give them problems. I have no stats, just what I see in games. Like the kid the Red Sox brought up from the minors to make that start in Fenway this year in interleague play…Braves were not so good that day. I mean I’d have to look it up and I believe they are under .500 when facing Rookie starting pitchers.

DOB

I tip my cap to Brandon Webb. It was an extremely frustrating night to be at the Ted yesterday, but I stand by comments. I support the Braves, I give them credit when they win, and I give credit to the other team when they lose, as it was the case last night. I am not a bandwagon fan, nor am I overly optimistic or pessimistic. I am somewhere in the middle, but it’s hard not to get emotional with my feelings toward the team now that we are in the middle of the pennant race. I have been a Braves fan since I moved here to GA in 1993 and I support them everytime they play, but I believe that winning is reason teams play. Otherwise, we may as well watch pro-wrestling, where things go as scripted. This is a competition, and the Braves were trying to win the game. That’s all I am trying to say, moral victories are nice, but they don’t count in the standings.

By Carolina Lady

August 18, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Berigan, thanks for that link. I really enjoyed the story!

By Lew

August 18, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Y’all-DOB has posted a new blog. Thank You Carroll. It was a good blog-at least once those totally offensive posts were removed. They even shocked me and that’s reall difficult to do. Do you really want a Mussina portrait for your Wurlitzer? Perhaps a study of Luther Williams Field in Macon, instead?

By BravesDave

August 18, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Agree with CL on the link, Berigan. Good story. Hope Brad gets it together and makes it to the show.

By Paladin

August 18, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

The eastern term chi refers to a balance of the Yin-Yang,most great boxers understand this near oxymoronic idea of controlled

I returned from my nap to find the above, plus some other philosophizing, and I was sure my machine had malfunctioned and delivered me to some other blog. But then, I came on some troll trollop and BravesDave and TemperBrave and knew, that I was still “at home”. Times may be a changin’, but not on this blog.

Also, I once had a Boxer who didn’t know his yin from his yang, but he was a good dog, never-the-less. :-)

By Lew

August 18, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

MetroDude-I’ve got to go with Tampa Brave on this one. If there had been any decent pitching available at a cost that was not bankrupt worthy, JS would have them pitching for us now. I think he picked up Tex as much for next year (with Andruw’s likely departure) as he did for any impact he would have the rest of this year. It wouldn’t surprise me if he were to be signed long term, as well.

By A--ville Ranger

August 18, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

BravesDave No doubt the team can’t roll over against the best pitching.I didn’t hear it myself but it was posted that Hudson said he knew the team would lose after a few innings,WOW!! again it’s just hearsay to me but if it’s true WOW. I’ll say again, this team needs a man like Paul O’neill who just never accepts defeat and fights every pitch as a hitter.

By A--ville Ranger

August 18, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Paladin Don’t give yourself a headache bubba, you should have hit the snooze button.

By don

August 18, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Chrisklob, Paladin, et als:

I am still waiting for you to tell show us a game in which your “Big Tex” was the difference between a win and a loss.

It is a fair question because all of you were wetting your pants in anticipation of this great savior when the trade was made. I, on theother hand, stated that the Braves would not make the playoffs and that they had seriously harmed the future.

Somehow, your “Big Tex” scoring on a woild pitch isn’t real impressive.

Face it girls, “Big Tex” isn’t getting it done. Cox and Schuerholz sold the future to try to win one more measily division and they failed.

By the way, Dotel looks good, too.

By beejay

August 18, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this

GREAT song from the Auburn guys! You’re right, it keeps getting stuck in my head. Hope to hear more from them in the future!

By stan man

August 19, 2007 6:14 AM | Link to this

i think and its just my thoughts that bobby cox needs to pull these pitchers sooner then waiting until there 6 or 5 or even 4 runs down

By Jake

August 19, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

I’m almost sure the Braves will ask them to change the lyrics saying that “Thorman stinks and Julio is old.”

Then that will create dissension between the guys. While one will want to take the money, the other won’t have his creative vision compromised by the fame and fortune of playing in Turner Field’s Fan Plaza.

Ultimately, the guys will turn to drugs to ease the pain of being a one hit wonder.

It’s all really sad, you know.

By Auburngirl

August 19, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

May it also be noted that the two guys singing the Mark Tex song will soon be brothers-in-law as one is marrying the other’s sister.

By TNRON

August 20, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

Amazing to me that two guys from Auburn have that much talent.

By Random

August 21, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this

Soshichi Uchii, Kyoto University: “The strength of the former definition of probability in terms of time-average is that it has given the meaning of probability all in terms of mechanical concepts.”

By Bob, Journalist (August 18, 2007 12:13 AM): “I never put much stock in averages, especially when it came to probabilities.”

“We report — you decide.”

By Random

August 21, 2007 2:09 AM | Link to this

By Bob, Journalist (August 18, 2007 7:04 AM):

“I wasn’t suggesting X… nor was I addressing Y though I’m not sure what that was.

“I wasn’t addressing Z but I have no doubt that W.

“Were I to guess at U, it was that we needed V… but, that we certainly didn’t need S and T.

“I agree that virtually everyone felt and continues to feel A… but, I don’t think there was overwhelming agreement on B… that doesn’t mean I’m right … maybe there was.

“Regarding C, it’s very possible that D… and if E, certainly not much at all … I haven’t seen him so do but, it’s my understanding that F and G… assuming that to be the case, I, for one, supported H.

“I personally would have I… but that was just personal opinion and my knowledge of the position is very limited.

“With regard to J, I’m not one but there are those who thought that K, or at least that was my read of the situation … should L, then I would agree with those who so thoutht, but I didn’t at the time, nor do I currently.

“However, I think that M… I qualified my comments, or at least so intended, with N… he has more power but even so, I wouldn’t expect O.

“I do think that P… and we should see some improvement in Q but that depends on a lot more than R and I still don’t think there was a consensus regarding the impact on the team’s success other than directionally … before or at the time of the trade.

“Just my opinion … no intent to be argumentative, sarcastic or humorous … and I wasn’t suggesting it was a majority opinion … everyone else may think that everyone was in agreement … I just don’t happen to think.

“Methinks Methinks Methinks Methinks Methinks!”

By matthews

August 22, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Andrew the song is great-how about writting a couple of songs for the AU Baseball team!! The team and fans would love it.