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DEL.ICIO.USCormier’s return could be big. Could be.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
OK, posts are clicking toward 900 on the other blog, so I’m cranking out another in mid-game here, unprecedented stuff in the third inning of a night game. So don’t expect too much, just giving you a clean slate for the rest of the weekend.
Anyway, as I wrote that line Jimmy Rollins just hit an absolute moon-scraper of a homer, a towering blast off Lance Cormier. But the good news for the Braves, of course, was that they already had a 4-0 lead when he hit it, and it was a solo shot.
So, it’s 4-1 after three here. And Mr. Cormier, who has had a most frustrating season (for everyone, including himself), actually looks like he might have something resembling his spring form. Folks, if he’s this good on a regular basis, the Braves’ rotation just got significantly better. But let’s wait and see. It’s still real early.
Wait, as I typed that sentence, Pat Burrell just doubled to left. Maybe I should stop tying, huh? I’m screwing with karma or something.
By the way, Burrell was 1-for-20 in his past seven games vs. the Bravos before tonight, that hit coming in last night’s game. And before that double, ol’ Pat “The Bat” - who has been swinging a smokin’ hot one lately, must admit - was having one awful night.
He got bood lustily after a clumsy diving-catch attempt near the left-field line, the got bood even worst when he botched a catch in left-center. The dude’s hitting about .400 with power in the past two months, but these salty iron-lunged Philly folks will jump all over you in a heartbeat if you’ve fallen into their unfavorable column, which Burrell sure did the past few years.
Oh, I don’t like the potential I see here. Cormier can give it up in a hurry anywhere, but here, vs. this lineup…. oh, the (potential) horror….
OK, as I typed that, Jeff Francoeur just hit a first-pitch homer to make it 5-1 in the fourth, and Phillies starter Adam Eaton is looking like he won’t be around much longer. Wow, has that dude fallen off the rails since he showed promise in San Diego.
Folks, Frenchy is having a helluva season. I know, master of the obvious there. But do you guys realize that before tonight, he’s hit .373 with a .411 OBP, .968 OPS and 29 RBIs in his past 38 games? That he was hitting .348 with runners in scoring position, ranking among NL leaders in that category?
He was hitting .333 (22-for-66) with RISP and two outs before tonight. And hitting .245 with 20 extra-base hits in two-strike counts, a huge improvement over last season.
OK, they just took Eaton out, and he made it rain like Pacman _ boos, that is. He made it rain boos. Braves are up 5-1 in the fourth, two on with one out. I’ll leave you with that.
By the way, you guys would’ve loved the pregame ceremonies here to honor Phillies alumni. Mike Schmidt and a bunch of others were introduced.
So then they introduce their PR guy, who’s retiring after 40-some years. He’s a kindly gentleman known as The Baron. Anyway, he goes to the podium to a warm round of applause from the notoriously hard-bitten Philly crowd, most of whom probably are only vaguely familiar with who he is.
Then he says a few words and finishes with, “I have only one request: Please don’t boo so much.”
And guess what? They booed. Loudly.
It was classic. Not as classic as throwing snowballs at Santa Claus, which an Eagles crowd did, or booing Darren Daulton’s infant son, as a Phillies crowd did on family day when Daulton wasn’t doing well one season. But classic.
Gotta love Philly. Or not.
OK, gotta get back to the game. Hoss just came to the plate and guess what? They booed him. Very loudly. But not as loudly as they do at Shea.
“BALL AND CHAIN” by Mike Ness (Social Distortion)
Well it’s been ten years, and a thousand tears/And look at the mess I’m in-
A broken nose and a broken heart/An empty bottle of gin
Well I sit and I pray/In my broken down Chevrolet-
While I’m singin’ to myself/There’s got to be another way
Take away, take away
Take away this ball and chain
I’m lonely and I’m tired
And I can’t take any more pain
Take away, take away
Never to return again
Take away, take away
Take away this ball and chain
Well I’ve searched and I’ve searched/To find the perfect life-
A brand new car and a brand new suit/I even got me a little wife
But wherever I have gone/I was sure to find myself there
You can run all your life/But not go anywhere
Take away, take away
Take away this ball and chain
I’m sick and I’m tired
And I can’t take any more pain
Take away, take away
Never to return again
Take away, take away
Take away this ball and chain
Well I’ll pass the bar on the way/To my dingy hotel room
I spent all my money/Been drinkin’ since a half past noon
I’ll wake there in the mornin’/Or maybe in the county jail
Times are hard getting harder/I’m born to lose and destined to fail
Take away, take away
Take away this ball and chain
I’m lonely and I’m tired
And I can’t take any more pain
Take away, take away
Never to return again
Take away, take away
Take away this ball and chain
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Comments
By Colin
August 11, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this
This is the Cormier we all become to love….
By NCBravesFan
August 11, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this
DOB Yeah, ya jinxed the man.
Let’s go Braves!
By StingerSplash
August 11, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this
Beautiful call on a great Social D song, DOB. As I type this, Cormier has been lifted with two on, none out and Mr. Howard at the plate. Well, at least it was good for four innings.
By beachcomber
August 11, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this
DOB - As I posted on the last blog - known Larry Shenk probably 30 years - classy guy - only the Philadelphia thugs would boo the guy!
By John C. Fremont
August 11, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
numbawon!!!
By Ron Roberts
August 11, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
Boy did THAT get ugly quick or what??
By KC
August 11, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
Well, I’d say Cormier deserves another start. He got a couple of bad breaks with that weak infield hit and that bizarre catcher’s balk.
Granted, he didn’t do much to get out of it, but I think he deserves another stab at the 5th slot.
By KC
August 11, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this
WOW… helluva job by Mahay!!!!
By Colin
August 11, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
Mahay wow…..nice
By Mackey Sasser
August 11, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
Mahay! It’s may day for the Phillies offense. For now.
By parks
August 11, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
Mahay, WOW wonderfull pitching
By tbo
August 11, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
BOBBY Cox remains an idiot.
By Ron Roberts
August 11, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
HUGE appearance by MayDay Ron Mahay!!!
And I’ve been beating up on Bobby Cox pretty bad the last coupla days, but that was a great call to the ‘pen, with those strong lefties up in the order. Beautiful managerial move.
Now let’s get some runs back onto that lead. Nothing feels safe in this box.
By TNRON
August 11, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
I hate to say it but I thought I saw him go to the nose then the mouth too.
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 11, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this
That was some dealin’ by Mahay. Need to put the foot back on the gas. 6 runs not going to be enought. C’mon Braves, eye of the tiger!
By chrisklob
August 11, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this
Colin why do you even bother being a fan of this team? You NEVER have anything good to say.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this
Awesome work by Mahay. Incredible! That Ranger trade looking pretty decent now. That play on McCann was the second wierdest I have ever seen for a Braves catcher.
In 1969 Braves catcher Bob Didier was behind the plate at the Astrodome. The Braves were about to clinch the NL West in the first year of divisional play. The Astros had a runner on third. The pitch came to the plate and Didier caught the ball. The Astros runner came in from third to the plate and Didier could not believe his eyes. He had the ball in his glove and he tagged out the runner easily.
Seems that Bob had a bandage on his wrist and the pop of the ball jarred it loose and it went toward the backstop. The Astro runner thought it was the ball. Not sure if that was the clinching game but it was a critical one at the very end of the season.
By tbo
August 11, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this
Hey. Guess what AJ just struck out. Please please please sit that goof down.
By A--ville Ranger
August 11, 2007 8:48 PM | Link to this
Mayday-Mahay….how clutch was that ? I haven’t seen anybody get the fat of the bat on this guy yet.
By KC
August 11, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this
Has anyone tried to stick Mahay with the “mayday” nickname… Mayday Mahay. Sam Malone would be proud.
By Paladin
August 11, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this
I’m here and available for duty. Please, as I posted on the previous blog, give us some updates.
By Colin
August 11, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this
**Prado making a bid for 2nd base…nice hitting…
By Colin
August 11, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this
Chrisklob
Well when they do something positive please get back to me…umm 6 runs in this sandbox…pitcher goes 4+ innings….
By Bob
August 11, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this
Paladin it is 6-4 bottom of the 6th. Oscar in and one out.
By Señor Blanco
August 11, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
He oído que un poco de carne del giraffe está disponible ahora en Atlanta. ¿Dónde puedo comprar esta carne? Amaría hacer un poco de tacos del giraffe.
By Daniel
August 11, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this
Why insn’t Matt Diaz playing for Andruw Jones…. anyone have an answer for that?
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this
Paladin,
Three up three down. Braves up and NEED to score more runs for sure.
By caveman22
August 11, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
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Welcome back to another episode of our mind-numbing and increasingly repetitive soap dish - I mean soap opera.
What will the future hold for our band of bloggers??
Will DOB be successful in his attempt to bring sanity and intelligence into this discussion?
Will Miss Manners continue “grading” post on spelling and grammar?
Will Carolina Lady finally be able to read the blog in peace?
Will SJA ever get to “stomp some butt”?
Will Ron Roberts cry like a little girl or take it like a man - a girly man?
Will Paladin be able to update to software from this century and continue his dastardly reign as blog IDIOT*?
Will Robdawg ever be allowed to use his Mom’s computer again?
Will KC finally realize that he is too smart for the blog?
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Will Caveman ever actually talk about BASEBALL?
Keep tuning every 15mins to keep up with the every changing action on DOB’s blog!!
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By Mackey Sasser
August 11, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this
KC, I think at least four of us have tried. I think it should stick. There will be plenty of mayday situations the rest of the way.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this
Chris,
If Colin had any intestinal fortitude he would have given Mahay a pat on the back. Guy has done great work and tonight was super. But, he must really be a Philly fan so we can forgive him.
By David O'Brien
August 11, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
I think we all might have focused on the wrong reliever on trade-deadline day. It appears Mahay will have much more of an impact than Dotel, even if Dotel gets back soundly….
Hey, Braves did that against Eaton tonight without Renteria, who’s 8-for-14 with a homer and seven RBIs against him.
By Paladin
August 11, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
I’m going to bed. You guys pull ‘em through. To those that have issues: I’ll be here in the am from “early” to the church bells, to answer or receive.
Ron Roberts Let me add to Superman’s superlatives. Your put down of “caveboy” was a LMAO.
By Overlord
August 11, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
I was not able to watch the first half of the game……… could i get some opinions on Lances work??? I know there are 4 runs scored on him…. but how did he do? Control and stuff like that.
By Superman
August 11, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this
La única carne que usted comerá está en la entrepierna de muchos hombres.
By bryan
August 11, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this
Ok, i am not doing this to be an a$$ … i just want to paint a picture of the unlikeliness of the impact of willie harris …
Heralded sports writer O’brien … here are a few of your comments (cut and pasted so it would fit) about Mr Harris (why do i use your words… to make you look bad? Nope, it’s just, who really cares about most of the stuff written and your posts are a pretty fair measure of what the rest of the nation is thinking).
Ok, this is from like, March, 12th (i think):
I was about to write about the probably futile but nonetheless commendable efforts of South Georgia’s Willie Harris to win an infield job (true!) on a team loaded with young, talented infielders, but … . (ok this is a chipper almost got “hurt” and denzines go crazy in March paragraph … ok back to willie)
Harris, who hails from tiny Cairo, Ga. _ hometown of Jackie Robinson _ is doing about all he can to win a job in spring training, batting .364 (4-for-11) before Monday with a double, three RBIs and four steals in four attempts. But at the risk of sounding cold, it probably doesn’t matter. (more talk about how willie wont make an infield position … which is true!)
Anyway, if you’re Willie Harris, you keep plugging away and hope to either catch another organization’s eye or make a good enough impression with the Braves that they might call you up from Richmond this summer if they need help.
Bryan
PS Dave, the new Chromeo “Fancy Footwork” its one of the best Cd’s i have hear in a while (but you have to understand its a complete sugar coated funk joke) … been killing that Spoon and the new White Stripes to scrape the sugar-funk-chrome- shine out of my ears … still, Chromeo… much recommended.
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this
By Colin
August 11, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
Mahay wow…..nice
hmmm…is that not a a pat on the back…
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this
Overlord, He did ok. Only two hits, but there were some hard hit balls. Tex made great stab of what should have been a double. Had 64 pitches going into the 5th. Got hit hard in the 5th plus a wierd play where the ball got caught between McCann’s chest protector and his chest. Allowed the runners to move up a base to 3d and 2d. After that it was downhill until Mahay stopped the bleeding by getting Howard on strikes and the other two behind him.
By Ron Roberts
August 11, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
Didn’t some folks suggest last year, when Boston dropped JC Romero that we should look into him?
I remember those folks getting chided pretty harshly about that. But uh, that kid’s good. This is a nail-biter.
Again.
P.S., Captain Cavedweller, my response to you is on the last blog, in case ya missed it.
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
Marlins 5 Muts 3
By Paladin
August 11, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
Bob Just saw your effort to keep me informed. But, unfortunately, I am too “stupefied” by now. Keep ‘em between the white lines, old buddy. Good night.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this
Glavine knocked out of the game. Willingham hits GS off of Mota. Fish lead 5-3. We need to hold onto this game.
By NCBravesFan
August 11, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this
Overlord I think Lance did fine in this particular ballpark against a strong lineup - he earned more starts in my view, though he obviously needs to go deeper into games.
By Overlord
August 11, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this
I remember i read some dumb mets fan say the mets were going to sweep the fish and the phillies were gonna sweep us.
That call has been anything but close to reality. maybe the fish get to sweep the fish…….if thats the case we must take advantage of such an event.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this
Colin you are absolutely correct. I apologize for my ill considered remark.
By Ron Roberts
August 11, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this
So why again, is it, we’ve not put Oscar Villareal in the rotation, instead of Redman/Lerew/Davies/Cormier?
Hell, I actually think Lance did a fairly commendable job tonight, and deserves another start or two before we judge him, but I still don’t get why we haven’t used Oscar in a starting role.
He now boasts a 3.55 ERA in 43 games and we’re 11-31 in those games, not counting an outcome for tonight. Ludicrous. Or as they spell it in da A-T-L, LUDACRIS!
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this
If Soriano comes on to pitch the bottom of the 8th…Howard…Rowand…and whoever is 3rd…wow…
By TexasBrave
August 11, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this
Man can’t say enough about Oscar. We needed those two innings. Great Job!!!
Now lets get some runs!!!
By Ron Roberts
August 11, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this
Swear to God, if Soriano’s brought into this game, I might have an aneurysm.
Will it be:
(8th) Moylan then (9th) Wickman, or
(8th) Yates, then (9th) Moylan, or
(8th) Soriano, then A LOSS?
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this
WHY SORIANO WARMING UP HE IS LESS THAN AVERAGE
By David O'Brien
August 11, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this
KC, of course he’ll get another start. Unless they pick up old man Boomer (and that’d be tough to do _ ba-da-bum). Sure aren’t going to call up someone else to start next turn. It’s Cormier.
I thought he pitched well until that inning.
So after I go out and buy this cool “Ireland” vintage-looking zip-up hooded sweatshirt to wear tonight after last night’s sudden chill, of course it’s 70 degrees tonight and no need for it. Oh, well….
By Señor Blanco
August 11, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this
Superhombre, debes describir tu esfuerzo preferido.
By Señor Mosca
August 11, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this
esteemjed Blanco, entiendo que giraff tiene un gusto similar al ornitorrinco. Ambas criaturas fueron diseñadas por committe. El sabor no está muy bien a menos que mucho ají de Cayena y la cal sean usados.
By David O'Brien
August 11, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this
Andruw just roped that ball, folks.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this
Andruw with a monster hit. Finallllllllllllllly. A huge run. Right centerfield.
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this
WHAT THE…2 HITS FOR ANDRUW
By jbutler
August 11, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this
I’m really at a loss for understanding the reasoning of Andruw seemingly calling his own shots on the health of his arm. Giving Cox’s rep for being a players’ manager..I’m guessing he’s given him more leeway (ok…according to everyone here, enough leash for a noose) than most would; but this seems almost comical.
I agree -in spite of his dreadful season- that he’s earned the right from past performance to be able to give his input…but to hold the trump card and “gut it out”?? None of the other players who’ve openly struggled with injuries seem to be able to dictate.
Its baffling. To have a crystal ball…
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 11, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this
Aren’t you Andruw Jones? Why don’t you stay for a while?
By Ron Roberts
August 11, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this
Great…this night will give all the fuel Bobby Cox’s mind needs to believe that Andruw’s turned a corner. sigh
At least he helps us out on a night we’ll need every run we can get, thought, right?
By David O'Brien
August 11, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this
I guess for the same reason you type in bold caps — because some things just can’t be explained.
By Milledgeville Matt
August 11, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this
Why won’t Bobby pinch hit Thorman against righties, he’s earned at least that, hasn’t he?
By Superman
August 11, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this
no Blanco hay mi schlong estupendo para el lol caliente de los polluelos del Brasil solamente. apenas que ensucia con usted Blanco
By Señor Blanco
August 11, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this
Señor Mosca, quizás estás correcto. Esperaré hasta que algún panda está disponible. Tengo gusto de variedad en mi dieta.
By Todd A
August 11, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this
LOL…Soriano in the 8th.At least Bobby’s predictable, if anything.
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this
Does Soriano have another pitch other than a straight ball…Also could be said for James he does have another pitch other than fastball and change?
By Superman
August 11, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this
Cuál es divertido Blanco es yo incluso no habla español. Estoy utilizando un traductor del Internet para hablar con usted
By KC
August 11, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this
WHAT IS WRONG WITH SORIANO?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Scott
August 11, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this
Same song…different verse….GEESH! Time to sit him down!
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this
yup we all become to love Soriano’s hr he gives up.
By Ron Roberts
August 11, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this
Didn’t se that one coming… Soriano gives up a dinger? Hope that’s not the start of a trend or something….
By KC
August 11, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this
DOB: I agree, I think he did pitch well until that inning. But if he had flat out tanked tonight, I don’t think I would advocate trotting him out there again. If Cormier doesn’t come through, and we don’t pick up Boomer… it’s gotta be Villarreal.
But hopefully, Cormier will be the answer to the 5-slot.
By Dustin
August 11, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this
ok its official….soriano CANNOT BE BROUGHT INTO A 1 RUN GAME! Bobby should let him go 2 tonight, why not hes already given up his homer for the night! He does fine after giving up that first homer.
By Overlord
August 11, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this
bob if you were the manager would you put him on again? So he looked promising (having in mind phillies in philly is not easy business)?
By journalist jimmy smith
August 11, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this
oh, the humanity! soriano pitches like a bloated giraffe! right down the middle …
and a major giraffe death in our city and harldly a mention …
pall bearers? from this blog, perhaps? good forum to get sja and rr together.
By George
August 11, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this
unbelieveable Bobby……… What are you thinking wwith Soriano….. good grief.
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 11, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this
Cabrera just came through in the top of the 8th w/a 2-run single…Fish 7, Muts 5. Survive Soriano, survive…
By Ron Roberts
August 11, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
That work by Mahay is looming large tonight, folks. Game MVP, if I had to choose one, if we hold on.
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
well if we pitch him it should be atleast a 5 run lead so if he gives up a grand slam it wont hurt…
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
Hey look at the positive. Only one homerun and no one on base. Now, we need some more runs. Marlins back on top of Metsies 7-5 bottom of 8th.
By TexasBrave
August 11, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this
Fla 7 NY 5 top o the 8th
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this
Overlord,
Yeah, I agree with DOB. He did ok and not everyone has this Phillies lineup. I think it was promising. But, I ain’t some baseball genius like many of the folks on this blog.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 11, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this
The Braves bullpen is holding up so far. the Mets bullpen just imploded , we must be in the twilight zone tonight.
By Dwight Fry
August 11, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this
Perhaps you saw the following news item:
Police chiefs in the Thai capital, Bangkok, have come up with a new way of punishing officers who break the rules - an eye-catching Hello Kitty armband. The armband is large, bright pink and has a Hello Kitty motif with two hearts embroidered on it. Officers who are late, park in the wrong place or commit other minor transgressions will have to wear it for several days. The armband is designed to shame the wearer, police officials said.
I suggest that the Braves adopt this policy: from now on, any reliever who gives up a home run, will have to wear a pink Hello Kitty armband for the next 2 games. Multiple homeruns will require multiple armbands. Maybe that will help Soriano.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this
Guys we can ill afford to get two on with no one out in the 9th and again not score. Done that too much this road trip. C’mon Chipper.
By MEB
August 11, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
Giraffe burgers? Hmmmmm… I hope our esteemed nature writer doesn’t happen upon the blog.
Admirable job done by Soriano even with the homer. You know his job is to throw strikes and that he did well. Lets get some more runs because you never know how we’ll do in the ninth.
By D-Cider
August 11, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
Cormier’s return could be big. Could be..if he pitches like he did when the games didn’t count what a joke…the Braves rotation is the same as it has been all season..Hudson, Smoltz and the a prayer..The only thing guaranteed is Soriano giving up a home run on a 2 strike count.
By Señor Mosca
August 11, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this
Señor Blanco, entiendo que el panda tiene un gusto similar al águila calva. Hay que cenar revisando el hombro para el federals y los de alguien que se llaman peta. Va bien con el pan de pita.
No dé ninguna consideración para el crudo y analfabeto un intento de ser vulgar.
By Señor Blanco
August 11, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this
Superhombre - Señor Blanco no habla quizá español tampoco sino está teniendo su novia Jennifer Lopez traduce para él. ¿Quizá?
By Colin
August 11, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this
Nice….nice…why cant we score w/ the bases loaded? Atleast get on plz…
By Bob
August 11, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this
Not again. How many times on this road trip?
By Todd A
August 11, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this
3 consecutive walks to lead off the inning, and this team doesn’t score. What a freakin’ frustrating team!!!!
By George
August 11, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
Don’t think two is enough for wickman… Every game I sweat the outcome…
By D-Cider
August 11, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
wow…Cormier pitches 4 innings and only gives up 4 runs..yeah, he pitched well, except for the fact he totally sucks..certainly deserves another start after this fine performance..what a joke the back end of this rotation is…
By David O'Brien
August 11, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
That’s impossible _ twice in four days, load bases with none out in ninth and FAIL TO SCORE. Wow. Unreal.
By Ron
August 11, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
Bases loaded no one out AGAIN and we still cant get no runs!!! That is 3 straight times that we have had bases loaded no one out this week and we have not scored!!! What the hell is going on!!! I tell you what if we are in Game 7 of the World Series and we have Bases loaded no one out in the 9th and we are down by one, I will cut that t.v. off and go to bed, because I know what would happen!!! Unbelieveable!!!
By Braves20
August 11, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
Hell, let’s just Andruw back in the clean-up spot, he’s as good in the clutch as our new “superstar.”
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 11, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
Braves weakness exposed: let them load the bases in the 9th w/no outs; Guaranteed to get out of the inning with 0 runs. Hope that doesn’t come back to haunt us…
By A--ville Ranger
August 11, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
It was carzy to bring in Soriano.It’s completely insane to use Wickman here.The guy has an era over 8 on the road and that was when he was healthy.Something’s wrong eith BC’s thinking,I’m sorry but it’s true.
By BG
August 11, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this
Shades of Wednesday: 9th inning, based loaded, nobody out…..no runs score.
Let’s hope it doesn’t bite us this time.
By Todd A
August 11, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this
Now the inevitable Wickman implosion follows.
By Superman
August 11, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this
si su fiancee es lopez del jennifer entonces le adoraré para toda la eternidad
By tbo
August 11, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this
BC continues to show how stupid he is. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Todd A
August 11, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this
I see extra innings coming.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 11, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this
journalist remarks again that andruw is not throwing well and returns the ball to the infield underhanded.
wickman … a bloated giraffe?
By TampaBrave
August 11, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this
Will,
Are you watching?
By Bob
August 11, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this
Great job Big Bob. That gets you a Double Cheese Quarterpounder.
Mahay and Oscar were awesome. The roller coaster continues.
Mets trailing 7-5 bottom 9th.
By A--ville Ranger
August 11, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this
All’s well that ends well.I stand by my last post though.It was just luck this game wasn’t given away.
By Señor Blanco
August 11, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this
¡El Braves ha ganado! Pero señor White no tiene ninguna uña a la izquierda.
Aclamaciones para Oscar y Mayhay.
By parks
August 11, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this
Love the comedy on this blog! never fails
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 11, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this
Braves Nation, jump back on the bandwagon. 2nd place and with 3 more outs @ Shea, 2.5 gms out of 1st. Go Fish!
By Bob
August 11, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this
A-ville Ranger,
I understand the frustration, but who else is he going to use. Moylan worked every game this past week. Not a lot of options and Wicky did ok.
After all the bashing of Andruw, that has been justly deserved, he did come up big tonight. First time in an awful long time, but he did really smack that ball.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this
tbo,
I guess Bobby Cox just showed how stupid you are didn’t he?
By Señor Mosca
August 11, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this
Señor Blanco, sólo quiso que usted supiera que los rumores de mi fallecimiento son muy exagerados, aún divertido y dado la bienvenida. Tryth ser conocido, el reportero de mosca fue desalentado por la respuesta a sus informes de zumbido. A propósito, él ha estado pegándose con su amigo, Sr. Wicky en abundancia jovial. La mosca estuvo preocupada para su compañero. Las hamburguesas con queso eran abundantes.
By Ron
August 11, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this
DOB Actually it was 3 times this week that we loaded the bases with 0 out and did NOT score!!! The first time was Tuesday, then Wednesday, now today!!! That is unbelieveable!!!
By Todd A
August 11, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this
How often does that happen? 3 consecutive walks with 0 outs, and 0 runs score.
By TampaBrave
August 11, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this
Don’t mess with Wick when there’s a big juicy cheeseburger waiting in the clubhouse.
DOB
Ever heard Ball and Chain by Aldo Nova? Great tune!!
Mozilla is great. It catches my spelling errors
By TexasBrave
August 11, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
Mets lose!!!
By Ron
August 11, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
3 straight times this week we loaded the bases with 0 out and could not score!!! I am really worried!!! That is bogus!!! We were lucky to win!!!
By Bob
August 11, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
Mets lose 7-5. Where are NCZ and Mets Drooler when you need them? I hope they don’t forecast the weather for NYC. Lets see, after the Mets sweep the Fish and the Phils sweep the Braves Atlanta will be 6.5 out and dead. Whoa boys. You gots to play the games. Ask the Braves about the Reds.
By BravesFanChris22
August 11, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Braves win by 2 points and Marlins win by 2 points. This weekend I’m rooting hard for Braves and Marlins.
By Wayne in Utah
August 11, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
Beltran strikes out to end the game. He was the tying run. Poor baby!
2.5 games out. Let the crying and gnashing of teeth begin:
We should have won by a greater margin, it was all Bobby’s fault.
Cormier sucked.
It was Dale Murphy’s fault.
Our bullpen stinks.
How’s those for a start???
Nite folks, gotta go finish my chores!
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 11, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this
Beltran just struck out to end the game. Hear that Mut fans? It’s footsteps. See that Braves fans? It’s the Muts grabbing their own throats. Willie’s catch on Thursday was a tidal wave, they haven’t recovered from it.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 11, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this
This is a perfect example of how a solid effort by the bullpen can make a sub par performance by the starter hold up. Good job by the boys in the pen tonight. The homer happy offense just keeps on scoring like a gigolo on Viagra and the Mets just lost. Can’t ask for a better night at the park than that.
By Sims, Warner Robins
August 11, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this
I’m a little confused. Is it Druw’s left or right elbow that’s banged up?
By Señor Blanco
August 11, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this
¿Señor Mosca, eres el “guy” de la Sabana?
By Braveheart
August 11, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this
BRAVES WIN! METS LOSE! MAGIC NUMBER IS 49!
2 and a half games out now!
By bill
August 11, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this
Great win but how much longer can the Braves go with this staff. Cormier and James are soft tossers and junk pitchers. Cormier does not deserve another start. It’s time to Put Villarrel in rotation but then there would be another problem. Who would be in long relief?
By chrisklob
August 11, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this
A-ville
It was just luck this game wasn’t given away.
This is what it’s come to for this team. The problems are well-documented and mostly center around pitching, both starting and bullpen. The only way this team can win games is to simply out hit their opponent. That, of course, is why JS traded for Tex. When solid starting pitching wasn’t available at a fair price he took the only course of action possible — he got another masher.
The last 47 or however many games are left are going to be a bumpy ride. Get used to it and buckle up everyone, the Braves roller coaster is ON!
By Wayne in Utah
August 11, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this
Bunch of frickin crybaby’s on tonight. Let them play the games, you bunch of spoiled brat cry babies.
If we went 152-10, you’d still find things to whine and cry about!
By Steve from OH
August 11, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this
Padres lost today…only 1/2 game out of the wild card! Win tomorrow and I think our playoff chances are GREATLY improved. Nice win tonight, by the way.
Go Braves!
By Lew
August 11, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this
Two and a half games out. That’s three games gained on the Mets this week. Who was it saying last week we couldn’t make up a 5 1/2 game deficit? 8-4 in our last twelve. Is anyone starting to believe yet? That is other than KC, Wayne, Braveheart, DOB, Chase and Myself? The Wrecking ball supposedly fell a month ago. Seems we’re still in the thick of it.
By Señor Mosca
August 11, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this
Señor Blanco, Sí. Somos mismos. También me ofreceré para el porte de manto de Jirafa. Necesitaremos un para la cabeza, tres para el cuello, un para el vientre y dos para los cuartos traseros. El Wicky ha prometido ayudar.
It’s good, no?
By chrisklob
August 11, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave Aldo NOva? Dude, careful, you’re showing your age! Man, I haven’t heard that name in decades!
By Steve
August 11, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this
Big hit for Andruw tonight, as well as starting a rally earlier with a leadoff walk. The Braves sure needed that from him tonight. And Soriano, even though he gave up the homerun, protected the lead. I personally feel more comfortable with Soriano than Yates late in a game.
Wasn’t sure about bringing Wickman in in the bottom of the 9th over Moylan (if he was available), but it worked out. The way the bullpen is, the choices Cox will have the rest of the way won’t be easy.
I’ve often wondered about the following. Why not sometimes attempt an innovation where the starting pitcher is not brought in until the 2nd or 3rd inning? Pitch one of your top relievers for the first inning or two, and then bring in your starter and hope to get 6 innings from him. Would seem perfect for James.
As well, this may limit the pressure many relievers face later in the game when they’re brought in, and hopefully improve they’re overall effectiveness. For some reason, I think Yates might be be more effective in the first inning than later in the game when the game is on the line.
And preferably, the short term reliever should throw with the opposite arm of the longer term pitcher who is brought in in the 3rd inning so as throw off the ability of the opposing teams to tailor their lineup to the starting pitcher.
I don’t know how my theory would play out in reality, but I’m curious as to why it’s seemingly never been tried. DOB, any thoughts?
By journalist jimmy smith
August 11, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this
in the news … killer cheese
Man says hold the cheese, claims McDonald’s didn’t, sues for $10 million
by Justin D. Anderson Daily Mail Staff
A Morgantown man, his mother and his friend are suing McDonald’s for $10 million. The man says he bit into a hamburger and had a severe allergic reaction to the cheese melted on it.
Jeromy Jackson, who is in his early 20s, says he clearly ordered two Quarter Pounders without cheese at the McDonald’s restaurant in Star City before heading to Clarksburg.
His mother Trela Jackson and friend Andrew Ellifritz are parties to the lawsuit because they say they risked their lives rushing Jeromy to United Hospital Center in Clarksburg.
sometimes cheese is not all cheese seems to be …
and this young man is not cut out for journalism with this cheese issue.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this
Lew, You left me off your list.
By BravesFanChris22
August 11, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
DOB - I’m new on here, but I want to ask you a question.
When is Royce Ring likely to be called up? September or sooner?
By Savannah Guy
August 11, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this
And I thought cheese was good on a slow news day. No?
By Tonight on TBS
August 11, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
Blue Velveeta (1986)
David Lynch’s blood-curdling and well-Krafted look beneath the rind of the all-American town of Limburgerton. A mild young man (Kyle MacLactose) develops a Feta attraction for a kitschy chanteuse (Swissabella Rossellini) while pursued by the whey creepy, parmesan sniffing, big cheese (Dennis Havarti). Rated PG (Penicillium glaucum).
By Daybed Wagmoe
August 11, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
DOB - two times in four days that the braves couldn’t push a run across after getting bases loaded and no outs in the 9th, but it also happened in the first game against the mets as well, just not in the 9th inning. (i think it was the 8th inning in that game?) hey — 2-1 in those games, not bad.
and Lew, add me to the list of believers. i’ve never stopped believing!
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 11, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Since I live in Oklahoma and the game wasn’t on TBS I didn’t get to see the game. I followed it on the good ‘ol gametracker here on the AJC website. It appeared that Cormier looked good until that 5th inning. Was that the case?
The Mets lost tonight so the Braves are 2.5 back and the Phillies are 3. The Mets have lost 4 of their last 5 and all of them at home AND two of them to the Marlins who are having to fight the Nats to stay out of last place. What do all these Mets fans on here have to say about this. No Chop Nuts (Zone) was on here yesterday flapping his gums about how the Mets were going to make a run and they were a seven game winning streak away from pulling away from the division. I don’t think so! Facts are facts, Mets fans. The Mets have been playing this kind of ball for 2/5 of the season. It is not a slump. It is the way the team is.
No matter what the Mets say or their dillusional fans they have to be worried. Here are the hands down pre-season favorites to win the NL clinging to their division lead while blowing games to the likes of the Marlins who are starting three pitchers this weekend who are either struggling mightly or should be in an independent league somewhere. I would be nervous if I were them and seeing just how good both the Braves and Phillies are.
DOB, any word on whether the Braves have interest in Wells?
By tbo
August 11, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this
Bob. Braves won in spite of Cox’s and your stupidity.
By parks
August 11, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this
*Bunch of frickin crybaby’s on tonight. Let them play the games, you bunch of spoiled brat cry babies.
If we went 152-10, you’d still find things to whine and cry about!*
Could not have said it better myself.
By A--ville Ranger
August 11, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this
Bob BC’s the manager there’s no way he should have put this team in a position to depend on Wickman tonight.I could give lot’s of alternatives,most involve preparing before it came to this.Not every game of Russian roulette ends in death,that doesn’t make playing a sound decision.The most obvious thing I would have looked at would have been to DL Wicky at the start of the road trip and brought up a replacement.
By Todd A
August 11, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this
Tampa Brave, Wow, that name was out of the archives.Fantasy was a great song off that album.
By caveman22
August 11, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this
Yo Wayne’s World
You tell’em big guy. That’s what I was sayin’.
I hope that your “blog rep” will not be irreparably harmed by having me agree with you. Feel free to insult me as soon as possible to regain your “street cred”.
By chrisklob
August 11, 2007 10:54 PM | Link to this
Steve, interesting post. Some franchises use a similar situation in their minor leagues (generally the lower minors). It’s called “piggybacking”. One guy starts and pitches four or five then another guy comes in to pitch the next four or five. They do it to protect the young arms that aren’t used to starting 28-30 games a year or as many innings as would be required. Each game, both players who are scheduled to pitch prepare themselves as though they are both starting. So that gives the coaches, scouts, etc. the opportunity to look at more potential starters for later than the normal starting five.
While I applaud you for thinking outside the box I don’t think that your scenario would work. Imagine a game that Villareal starts. He pitches two innings (but could have gone three or four)and James comes in. James can’t get through two innings. Suddenly BC finds himself having to go back to the bullpen which has one less arm (that was underutilized) to finish the game.
The other reason that I don’t think it would work is because of the mentality of the starting pitchers. Many, and possibly most, of them go by a strict schedule for their game-day preparations. With some, it starts the moment they get out of bed and continues throughout the day. My guess is that this would disrupt their rituals, at least in the short-term.
By Savannah Guy
August 11, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this
Lew…believers abound, those few that are around.
Some that aren’t will soon be found
no matter who might be on the mound.
The bats will continue to astound and Wicky is bound
to have cheeseburgers while trolls won’t be found.
It’s on to tomorrow where Phils we will again pound.
By BossLady
August 11, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this
The Braves are giving me headaches with Soriano and Wickman. Can we get 8th and 9th inning pitchers who can get outs?
By caveman22
August 11, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
Now ya’ll be nice to bravesfanchris22.
It’s not me. He’s legit.
Here’s your chance to show some hospitality.
So Welcome to the whiniest, self-indulgent, over-analyzed, and attention needy bunch of “fans?” you’ll ever have to pleasure of p**’ and moanin’ with!!
ENJOY!!
By Bob, Journalist
August 11, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this
Lew, I had forgotten to mention that I thought Scoots should be considered for an award for having suggested YAAI and/or YaI … and while methinks we should now be enjoying a nice lead in the East, I too am among those who have long believed and continue to believe we will make the playoffs.
By Savannah Guy
August 11, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this
Tonight on TBS: Hopper could not have said it better.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this
tbo, How many MLB games have you managed and won? Go to bed little boy, it is way past your bedtime.
A-ville Ranger, I just cannot agree. Same story as last night. We bring in Yates and everyone wants to commit suicide. We bring in Soriano and ditto. We bring in Wicky and same thing. We bring in Moylan AGAIN and everyone wants Cox’s a* for wearing him out. We bring in Acosta and everybody rants about bringing in the newbie in a pressure situation in a bandbox ballpark. Maybe we should have used Mahay for 5 full innings. Or maybe Smoltzie since he doesn’t pitch again until Tuesday. Frankly, I was hoping he would call Cincy and see if the Padres could loan us Trevor for the ninth. Better yet, I am sure Joe Torre could have spared Mariano Rivera for the evening since the Yanks had a 10 run lead. What pitching options does the man have?
I mean Wicky makes me as nervous as anyone, but what the hell is he to do?
By A--ville Ranger
August 11, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this
parks I can tell you’re a real tough guy aren’t you.I’m usually the one to defend BC but I just can’t tonight.I haven’t called him names but I’ve been more negative than I care to be.Well that’s it for me…One last thing it sure would be nice to have Leo sitting to Bobby’s right rocking and throwing out suggestions.
By Savannah Guy
August 11, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah Give’em hell brutha…but wait…now chores? Say it ain’t so. Have a good one and see you at the game tomorrow.
chrisklob Just a hello friend. You continue with your voice of reason and it is much appreciated here.
By David O'Brien
August 11, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this
Well, how are things on As The Blog Turns tonight? Are the Braves still a pitiable, inept bunch with no hope of catching those mighty Mets. Let’s see, 2-1/2 games out with 45 games to play, and you beat the Phillies in Philly tonight with Lance Cormier starting.
You know, I’m just having a hard time mustering up a “We’re Doomed” attitude about this team. Sorry, just don’t see any insurmountable obstacles standing between them and the playoffs.
They’ll have to play well, but they’re playing well enough now — 8-4 in their last 12 against mostly good and/or hot teams, and 3-2 on this trip so far to NY and Philly.
By Savannah Guy
August 11, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this
Paladin check the end of yesterdays blog for a personal post.
By Bob, Journalist
August 11, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this
Paladin, I realize that you have retired for the evening but assume you will review tonight’s posts, morgen früh.
Salty was referring to my post not yours.
If your conclusion that I edit my thoughts is based on something I’ve said then either I have misspoken or you have misread. However, I do sometimes edit what I write in an effort to improve both clarity and consistency between my thoughts and my words.
That I neither like nor dislike you is a simple statement of fact … it was directed to you with no intent to influence others. That you avow your dislike for me doesn’t change that.
Redundantly, you are what you are, it’s as simple as that.
I admit to being somewhat bemused by your NOTE … are you suggesting or implying that you want me to recognize ‘duffers’ as a substitute for considerable vulgarity?
As an aside, neither fly-fishing nor bird-watching are reserved for the elderly, and though neither are among my currently active pursuits, I have great respect for those who so do.
By fastasballs
August 11, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this
Well I guess JS was right when he said this team would have to outslug teams to win. These type of games are going to be the norm until the end of the year, not the exception. When 3 of 5 starters can’t be counted on to give you 6 innings the pen is going to be a mess.
I’m glad they have Ring, Paronto, Devine & Ascaino in reserve. Some fresh arms down there couldn’t hurt coming down the stretch.
A win tomorrow would giove them another series victory & a 1 1/2 games on the Phills. This team is inching it’s way forward, even with the two bad losses this week. The Muts are in the middle stages of imploding. A 6-7 game skid is in their future.
Tomorrow could very well be another slugfest. No way Redmond, I mean Moyer beats them again this year. I hope Buddy Carlyle has a good game & eats some innings, 8 would be nice with Moylan finishing up a 12-5 victory.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 11, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this
One hot August afternoon…TheJackAss was traveling through the hills just south of Clarksburg, WV…near where that guy got the “killer cheese”…when TheJackAss got a hankerin’ for a chunk of longhorn cheese, and a bottle of cold Royal Crown Cola…so I found an old country store there along the road…stepped up onto a rough, plank porch, walked in through the squeaky-hinged, wooden screen door, and there stood a little ol’ white-haired lady wearing a big ol’ smile and a checkered apron…”Can I he’p you sir”, she said…Do you have any longhorn cheese I asked?…”oh yes, best you’ve ever tasted”…so I asked her to get me a couple thick slices as I grabbed my RC out of the cooler…well the old, wood floor creaked and popped as she walked to the far end of that big, oak counter…then I heard her say, “git off there!”…I looked just in time to see a big ol’ yellow tomcat, that had been lying on top of a huge slab of longhorn cheese…leap off that slab of cheese…run right past me…and out the door!…that little ol’ lady didn’t seem too bothered by any of that…and proceeded to slice me off a couple nice hunks of that cheese…she wraps that cheese in paper…walks back over…and says, “will that be all?”…yes, I replied…just the cheese and this RC…I paid her…walked out…and continued on my way…and I have to tell you…that was some “killer cheese!”…best TheJackAss has ever had…
By David O'Brien
August 11, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
By the way, the Braves have hit .333 with 21 homers and 91 runs in their past 12 games.
You can get by with modest pitching when you score 7-1/2 to 8 runs per game. And while they won’t score that many every night, they will plenty of nights.
They’ve faced three 12-game winners in the past week and a half (Francis, Maine, Hamels), plus a 10-game winner who’s dominated them in the past (Perez) and El Duque. They’re not doing this against a lot of stiffs.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 11, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
Anybody who can look at the standings with six weeks left to go and say the Braves have no chance of making the playoffs are either totally stupid, just plain pessimistic, or a scared Mets fan. This Braves team has a good chance to make a run.
I was looking at the remaining schedule and it won’t be easy. They have a good mix of good teams and bad teams. The schedule is not easy by any means, but its not necessarily hard either.
The biggest key for the Braves will be winning the games they should win. Next week they have three against the Giants and D-Backs each. They should take at least two of three from the Giants and I don’t see why they shouldn’t take two of three from the D-Backs. They then make a trip to Cincy for four games and St. Louis for three. The Braves have to win a minimal of three against the Reds.
Also, to any Mets fans that aren’t on a cliff or rooftop right now, what about your team makes you think that they are going to suddenly get hot and leave the Braves and Phillies behind? What about the Braves and Phillies makes you think they will just fade away? I’m just curious. I think you guys are much like your team and that is way too overconfident and way too relaxed. The Mets don’t take the Braves seriously at all and barely acknowledge the Phillies. That could be a serious mistake. Wouldn’t be funny if the Braves and/or Phillies win the division and the other wins the Wild Card. Don’t scoff Mets fans. It very possibly could happen.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
Savannah Guy,
I think Paladin called it a night in the 6th inning.
By JD
August 11, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this
Good win. Steal tomorrow night’s game and get the hell out of there. Go Marlins!
By Overlord
August 11, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this
Well……… how good does 2.5 GB feels……. Dont think on what could have been and what if…….. fact is we are closer and playing loud.
Carlyle tomorrow looks excellent to me.
Fun!!!!!!!!
By BravesFanChris22
August 11, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this
I am not sure on this, but since Hampton’s contract is going to be going away soon…
Does that mean he’ll be pitching next year if he’s not injured again or will he be shipped off via trade or free agency? I’m kind of confused about that.
Also, another question is….
During September call up time, How many total can be called up?
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 11, 2007 11:29 PM | Link to this
DOB, well said as always. This Braves team is in the thick of not only the divisoin but the wild card as well. DOB, are you as mystified as I am at this perception by Mets fans that this Mets team is in a mere slump and will bust out of it? They are 32-35 over their last 67 games. That sounds like more than a slump to me.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 11, 2007 11:29 PM | Link to this
more mark davis …
“Betunia was a long-timer at the zoo, a spindly-legged stroller that turned inquisitive eyes to passersby.”
journalist wept.
By Overlord
August 11, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
thanks for your coments bob and brave
By BossLady
August 11, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
The game was good and they won but must they always go to the last out in the 9th with everyone on the edge of their seats, nail biting and anxious? We all will have aged tremendously by the end of this season. I made a decision tonight, that if Soriano and Wickman gave up this win I would not watch anymore games. This is sick. I’ll be there tomorrow and until the end of the season playoffs or not. Go Braves!!!!
By Bob
August 11, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
Yeah DOB, 8-4 over their last 12 games. In the NL only the D’Backs are hotter. And as others have pointed out, we haven’t been whupping up on ham and eggers. D’Backs, Rockies (another hot team), Mets and Phillies comprise 8 of those games. We have lost some really painful games, but we have also issued some real pain…ask the Mets.
By MEB
August 11, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
Give credit where credit is due. Soriano and Wickman did their job and did not allow the big inning. Protecting the lead is the job of the bullpen. With a three run lead you throw strikes and don’t walk batters. Giving up a solo home run with a three run lead is acceptable. Soriano had good velocity and movement on his pitches. Throw in a couple of decent off speed pitches and he did get two strikeouts.
I’ve been a believer since the off-season and I think this Braves team is playoff bound. Give Lance Cormier the ball again at home and let him build some confidence. He certainly has major league stuff so all he needs is to get his head screwed on right.
With Chipper having an MVP type year and our monster lineup there is indeed hope for our Braves.
GO BRAVES!!!
By Savannah Guy
August 11, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this
TheSouthernJackAss Welcome back buddy. Nice country cheese story. Were there cat whiskers on that cheese?
Down here, Georgia way, an RC usually goes along with a Moon Pie. Pronounced R-O-C ayun Mooon PA. Or is that Chattanooga? Anyway, we had’em that way as kids.
By Chop Chop
August 11, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this
DOB, if the Braves lose tomorrow, they’ll be in third place (and yeah, they’ll still be right in the hunt). People here just wish this team had the sack to take this division by the throat. Come on, man. Have you ever been a huge fan of a team before? Maybe I’m wrong to assume this, but I figure that you’re a big Rock Chalk dude. If that’s true, then there’s no way that you’ve always been confident that KU would never let you down. Even if you were always supremely confident about Roy Williams’ teams, there was a part of you that said, “This team can’t get it (winning big) done.”
Relate that to Braves fans. These are fans who are used to having it pretty easy in the regular season (regardless of last year) and then seeing their team crap out in the playoffs. That’s why there are so many negative comments made by fans about this team this year. A lot of fans cannot see this team winning anything, period. The more optimistic ones can. Either way, this team does not make it easy for any of us. The end result is that you see an angst-ridden blog when you check in with the denizens here.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this
Robert (Justice is the Best),
NCZ and the Drooler are simply irrational and I suspect afraid…Very Afraid. Anders on the other hand is quite rational. He knows that both the Braves and Phillies are a real threat and acknowledges it. He believes the Mets have the advantage and their easy last 14 games against the Nats and Fish will benefit them. It may very well, but they have had their hands full with both teams recently (as have we all season long). I don’t agree with Anders, but a discussion with him is a pleasure compared to the kindergarten jibberish from NCZ and Drooler.
By Dwight Fry
August 11, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this
Mister O’Brien - Obviously, the Braves are not a pitiable, inept bunch with no hope of catching the Mets. They are not “doomed”. But are they a world-series caliber team?
That’s what we want and it is not yet clear that this team is at that level.
By KC
August 11, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this
Lew: Boy oh boy… you show a little faith in an underachieving team (2006 Braves), and suddenly you’re mister whistling-through-the-graveyard.
But hey, you’re secrets out… you’re not a closet optimist any longer. =)
Yeah, this Braves team is in great shape I think. The offense is obviously as good or better than any in the league. Scratch that… this offense is as good as any in baseball.
If the Braves played in the AL and could use a DH (particularly if they played in less of a pitcher’s park), they would probably post the best offensive numbers in either league between now and the end of the season (assuming reasonable health). Not only is there a lot of pop in the lineup, but everyone knows how to hit. The only hacker left in this lineup is AJ.Anyway, point being… this is a truly great offense.
The rotation is solid 1-4, with 2 legit aces at the top.
If Wickman remains healthy, the bullpen’s in good shape. It seems that guys like Yates and Soriano are showing signs of fatigue. But we’ve got 5 or 6 well qualified relievers on the farm who can help us come September.
I actually thought Cormier looked pretty good until the 5th, and even then… he caught a couple of bad breaks (an weak infield hit, and that bizarre McCann play). Whether it’s Cormier, or Villarreal, I think we’ll be fine at the 5-slot.
So yeah… I’m feeling pretty good about this team.
By BravesFanChris22
August 11, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this
Does anyone think that if Wickman isn’t resigned next year, that one of Dotel (if resigned)/Gonzalez/Soriano will be the closer or would it be like earlier this year and be situational?
By chrisklob
August 11, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this
Savannah Guy, greetings my friend and thank you for the kind words. Some of the denizens here just don’t understand how long the season is. Nor do they understand that the season won’t hinge on one play, going either way. But, I suspect that concept is too difficult to understand by many of the “instant gratification” bloggers.
My goal is to bring some balance to this blog as you, DOB, Lew, Wayne in Utah, Carolina Lady, and many others do (didn’t mean to leave anyone out there) to balance this blog from the venom-spewers (of which there are many). It’s a long season, and while we’re not 50 games up as many would prefer, I really, really like the chances of this team winning the division this year.
By Savannah Guy
August 11, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this
Bob, Journalist You are an esteemed contributor and more importantly, one of the good guys. See you on the morrow, where we will surely have a great blog followed by a great game to enjoy. It is not the destination…it is the journey we should enjoy.
On that, I bid you and all a good and restful night.
By brewdawg
August 11, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
Parks said :If we went 152-10, you’d still find things to whine and cry about!*
Oh, I can think of a few, one in particular who I still don’t speak of. Basically though, all Cox bashers would be saying: ” Yeah, but we’d have been 162-0 if Cox wasn’t such a carrot-munching, nose-picking idiot! ”
By Bob
August 11, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this
The bullpen over the last 9 innings in Philly has given up one earned run. That comes against one of the best hitting teams in all MLB and in one of the most hitter friendly ballparks on the planet. Too many innings pitched for sure, but pretty damn good result considering the paranoia on the blog.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 11, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this
stinky has confused the journalists - jimmy smith and bob. stinky’s reading comprehension is not of sufficient quality to discern between the various posters to this blog. perhaps stinky should find a less challenging blog where stinky could be a material contributor rather than an oozing sore.
(this post could be the precursor to a meltdown. we shall see.)
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 11, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this
DOB, what do you know about this Canizares dude down at Richmond who is playing 1B. He seems to really be raking. Is it for real or just some jobber getting lucky.
By Bob
August 11, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this
Correct that last..1 ER in last 7 innings. Still damn good.
By Wolfpack Man
August 11, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this
DOB— You wrote
“Let’s see, 2-1/2 games out with 55 games to play,”
Unless the Braves are playing 172, I beleive that should be 45 games left.
It is hard to beleive that there are only 45 left, I mean the Braves ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. And the sprint to the end has started. This is going to be fun.
By chrisklob
August 11, 2007 11:56 PM | Link to this
BravesFanChris, if healthy, you can expect to see Hampton pitching again for ATL next year. I say IF because it’s a big IF. Who knows if he’ll be able to come back. I seriously doubt that even JS could find a sucker to take the last year of his contract (which will be $15m, by the way).
He won’t be a free agent until 2009 at the earliest. He has a $20m option that year ($20m option, OMG!) with a $6m buyout clause. But the good news is that Colorado is on the hook for the option, if JS doesn’t pick it up. And frankly, unless he comes back next year and is absolutely incredible he won’t be back in 09.
The rosters can expand to 40 on Sept. 1. However, only guys on the 40 man roster are eligible to play in MLB games after that date.
By BravesFanChris22
August 11, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this
I know thinking about next year is a bit too soon, but I was just wondering.
However, as far as this year is concerned….
If Chuck James can be just as good as he was after the 1st inning nightmare yesterday and Carlyle continues the way he’s been and we get a reliable 5th starter into the mix, we might be able to overcome the lack of depth in starting pitching. Wouldn’t you (general sense) think?
By BravesFanChris22
August 12, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this
Whatever happened with the Langerhans to A’s deal? Did we get a PTBNL or will get a PTBNL or just get cash? I haven’t heard anything about it.
By Chipper Jones is my Freakin Hero
August 12, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this
I noticed on the Braves website that Martin Prado has good numbers against Moyer. Does that mean he will probably start tomorrow?
By brewdawg
August 12, 2007 12:03 AM | Link to this
BTW, DOB puts up a clean slate, saying “don’t expect too much”, and we still get more information than in most of the other beat blogs. I’m not trying to be critical of them, because they do a good job too. We’re just lucky to have our blog MIB. Okay, a$$-kissing over.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 12, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this
TheSouthernJackAss would like to share a bit of info with the blog…
The last couple of days TheJackAss has been displaying one of his email addresses for all to see here on the blog…thus the trap was set…consequently…TheJackAss recieved emails from a few of his friends…and a few from a couple of ignorant A$sClowns…
Well, lo and behold…about 5 minutes ago…TheJackAss recieved an email from a fellow calling himself “stinky”…imagine that…how stupid can any one human being be?…and to top it off…his email was laced with profanity…
TheJackAss now has stinky’s email address…but more importantly, TheJackAss now has the IP address from which “stinky” sent his offending message…and the funny thing about that is…I have a couple friends in law enforcement, internet crime and fraud unit to be exact…and TheJackAss will be turning all this info on “stinky” over to them first thing in the morning…
You finally made the fatal mistake, didn’t you stinky??…so my offer…and suggestion to you “stinky”…would be to leave this blog now…and never return…last chance…then maybe TheJackAss will be generous enough to hold off on turning your little message over to my friends…if not…roll with it then baby…the part about the “donkey dicks” will really get their attention…
…and just in case anyone else would like to converse with the “odoriferous one”…this is the email that he used…stinky2525@concast.net Have a nice day!…
Unbelievable!…stinky’s IP address…I live for this!…
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this
MEB I know winning cures all blah,blah blah but ‘Soriano did his job’ ? please he gave up a two run hr on a batting practice pitch.If that was the one bad pitch or if it wasn’t happening most every time out I’d shrug it off.Truth is he threw four or five more tonight that easily could have been hammered.I feel like my record of not blaming people every time things don’t work out is solid. A win is a win but I know luck when I see it and tonight’s eighth and ninth took lot’s of it.
By KC
August 12, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this
BravesFanChris22, Here’s my take on our closer situation for next year…
A month ago, I would have thought it likely that Soriano would be the closer on opening day of next year. But that was before he started giving away more free round-trips than a Wendy’s-Air Tran promotion!
Dotel, unless he comes back like gangbusters in a couple weeks (when he’ll HOPEFULLY come off the DL)… I doubt they’d put that much stock in him.
Wickman hasn’t been as dominant and has had some health issues, so they’ll be reluctant to bring him back as the go-to guy again next year.
Mike Gonzales should be back the first half of next year, but they’re not going to wait for him, and you can never bank on recoveries going as planned.
So in my view, Schuerholz will be closer-shopping again this winter.
Isringhausen, Gagne, and Joe Nathan will be the marque free agent closers available this off-season.
Over the last few years, us Braves fans have learned to say “they can’t afford anyone like that”… but they may or may not be the case now.
All indications are that the Braves will have more payroll flexibility next year under the new ownership. How much more? We’ll have to wait and see.
If JS seeks a closer via trade… someone like Washington’s Chad Cordero might be a target.
JS will do all he can to bring a proven, dominant closer in this winter. If he’s unable to do so, then we might re-sign Wickman, and hope that he stays healthy, and that Gonzalez gets healthy on schedule.
By BravesFanChris22
August 12, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
Thanks for the clarification chrisklob. I for some reason thought roster could only be expanded to 30 for some reason.
I’ve been a Braves fan since 93 (when I lived in Georgia and when I got into Baseball) and been pulling for them through thick and thin since.
By Chop Chop
August 12, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this
BravesFanChris22, the Braves received a Billy Beane-autographed copy of Moneyball for Langerhans. Bobby uses it as a doorstop.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this
My bad the hr Soriano gave up was a solo shot not a two-fer.
By bruce
August 12, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this
Dave, I was late getting to the game and was going to get the pork sandwich at Tony Luke’s that you suggested, but the line was huge and not moving… so I tried the Peace a Pizza blue cheese chicken pizza… it was very good, lots of chicken chunks, try it if you haven’t already. I will try the pork sandwich tomorrow night, had the cheese steak Friday night. Thanks, Bruce
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this
BravesFanChris, regarding the Langerhans deal. Nothing’s been decided yet. I don’t think they have to finalize the trade until shortly after the season ends.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 12, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this
Hit the wrong key…that email for stinky is stinky2525@comcast.net…
By Bob
August 12, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this
A-ville Ranger,
Did Soriano give up a 2 run homer? Did Rowand run the bases twice? I think you will see that he gave up a solo homer, not a 2 run homer. MEB was absolutely correct.
BTW, who are you going to pitch in the 8th and 9th? You have eliminated Soriano and Wickman. Going to pitch Moylan for a 5th straight?
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 12, 2007 12:20 AM | Link to this
Just think…now TheJackAss can find out all the other names stinky has been posting under…damn! I gotta go…
Nite stinky…sleep tight…
By KC
August 12, 2007 12:20 AM | Link to this
chrisklob: Of course no one would trade for Hampton until he’s proven he’s healthy. And if he’s proven that… we’re not going to want to part with him.
I think chances are good that Hampton will be back reasonably healthy next year. The problem he had with the elbow back in the spring was not related to the Tommy John surgery. That means the TJ surgery should be a complete and total non-issue (2-1/2 years after the fact) come next spring. And within a couple months, he should be fully recovered from the ligament tear he had repaired back in April.
He plans to start a rehab assignment in October, and will pitch winter ball this year. I think there’s reason for cautious optimism.
That said, the Braves won’t be banking on him as they did heading into this year (nor should they). I think they’ll want to head into next year with 6 starters, and deal with the “too much pitching problem” (if everyone’s healthy) come opening day.
That’s why I think Glavine will be back for one last tour of duty with the Braves.
By joebrave
August 12, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
Helluva crucial win tonight,Cormier what a joke!!and now AJ wants an MRI oH Brother….I hope they get one of what’s supposed to be between his Ears..
And where are the J******* that were whining about bBig Tex’s defence last night?????????
I see that JJS has made his way into the hous Greetings JJS… Caveman same to you.
By Gil in Mechanicsville
August 12, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this
KC I suspect you have not seen Chad Cordero pitch lately, he not exactly fooling anyone right now. I would rather stick with what we have.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
Bruce, might have to try that pizza tomorrow.
Hey, that series loss at Arizona, as wrenching as it was, isn’t looking quite so bad in the rearview mirror now. Damn D-Backs have won 17 of 20 games. They’re the hottest team in baseball. Who’d have thunk it?
By Gil in Mechanicsville
August 12, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
Don’t look for Manny Acosta to get in a game unless it is a blow out one way or another. He has his moments but being only 23 the tall lanky Panamanian has a perchance to miss the strike zone. He has good stuff but harnessing it is something else.
I thought Mahay and Oscar were outstanding tonight.
The good guys have got to learn to get those runs in when the bases are loaded and no outs. just cannot keep tempting fate like that.
By BravesFanChris22
August 12, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
I know very little about Royce Ring, but I heard from a few people that he is a long reliever/spot starter, is there any truths to that? I do know he’s got some good stuff that game he had two scoreless innings against Braves earlier this year.
By KC
August 12, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this
People who WON’T be Braves next year:
Andruw Jones (I don’t think it’s a certainty he’ll be gone, but it’s likely).
Edgar Renteria: He’ll have significant trade value, and moving him will clear payroll and an everyday job for Escobar.
Bob Wickman: He actually might be back if JS can’t find a younger closer.
Chris Woodward: I don’t know if he’ll be gone… but I can pray!
Octavio Dotel: We all knew he was a rental when we got him.
By Gil in Mechanicsville
August 12, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this
Night all…..
By KC
August 12, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this
Gil in Mechanicsville: You’re correct. Haven’t seen him pitch since he last pitched against the Braves. ERA still looks pretty good. Don’t know much more.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this
KC, I was explaining the Hampton situation to a new blogger who had a question about his status. It may be obvious to you, but it wasn’t to him.
This is his post: *am not sure on this, but since Hampton’s contract is going to be going away soon…
Does that mean he’ll be pitching next year if he’s not injured again or will he be shipped off via trade or free agency? I’m kind of confused about that.*
Frankly, I hope they go into the spring with plans for more than six starters. They started this year with seven (Smoltz, Hudson, James, Davies, Hampton, Redman and Cormier). We all know how well that worked out for them.
By Saudi Brave
August 12, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this
لدى ميتس يفوز إن شاء الله.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this
Time to go down and see if I can smoke a cigar in the hotel bar. I doubt it. Only a few places left where you can even do that. But we’ll see….
SJA, I should forward some e-mails he’s sent me so you can send them along to your law enforcement folks. I was thinking of turning them over to our paper’s lawyers, just haven’t had time. But I’ve kept them. They go to a junk mail slot because he’s the only e-mailer I’ve ever had to use the block-this-sender mechanism on….
Folks, got a great CD today from a movie that’s not out yet, called “The Hottest State.” All the songs are written by Jesse Harris, a really good singer-songwriter, and they’re performed by The Black Keys, M. Ward, Bright Eyes, Willie Nelson, Cat Power, Emmylou Harris, and a bunch of others. Great stuff….
Also got the new CD by the Young Dubliners, Irish dudes who rock hard but with a trad-Celtic edge. Lot of Pogues and some Dropkick Murphy’s to their sound.
By KC
August 12, 2007 12:39 AM | Link to this
BravesFanChris22: Between the majors and minors this year, Ring has pitched 52.2 innings in 47 games, and didn’t start a single one of them. So, I don’t think “long-reliever/spot starter” is accurate.
He’ll be used as a situational lefty when he gets here in September.
By Ron Roberts
August 12, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this
Good night for the Braves, no doubt. Honestly think Lance did alright tonight, considering the confines and the lineup he faced. Mahay’s the MVP of the game, though. Superb outing by him and Villareal tonight. Just superb.
We gotta get a monster game outta Buddy Carlyle tomorrow night, too. So before we go a-gloating about how solid this team is, let’s take the rubber game and leave Philly wih a winning record against them,* too, alrighty?
Bobby pulled mostly right strings tonight, but seriously what is up with the continued use of Soriano when he’s not on his A-game? Sheesh.
Good grit from the embattled Andruw, too. I’m just worried that gives Cox even more confidence in his .216 hitting center-fielder, and we suffer for it in a latr game.
We still blew the Wednesday game, and winning tonight doesn’t make up for that, but there’s still plenty of time to get this division, and we’re in an even better position for the wild card. I’ll take either.
Let’s just hope either Soriano gets it together or Cox maybe picks up on something the rest of us have noticed about Raffy of late; let’s also hope ‘Druw’s elbow either heals and he finds his sweet swing again or Cox maybe picks up on something the rest of us have noticed about AJones of late.
Oh, and Rush Hour 3 is freakin’ H-Y-S-T-E-R-I-C-A-L. If I’m not mistaken, I believe our friend Wayne In Utah was takin’ the young’uns to that a night or two ago, right? Would you agree, WIU?
By Double Deuce
August 12, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this
Nice to see a little less venom and a lot more baseball tonight. I have a few thoughts. 1. Cormier did OK. We still needed the bullpen for 4 innings again. If we can’t get some innings eaten by starters then we have to live with what the bullpen can give us.
Soriano threw one pitch tonight that I found encouraging…it was a changeup to a lefty and he fooled him completely. It wasn’t even a good change, but when someone is sitting on your fastball and your flat slider all night, the changeup worked perfectly. Other than that, I too felt like he got lucky on a couple of fastballs right down the pipe. I think Bobby is right, his problem is more with location than velocity.
Andruw is a problem, but not in the way most of you see him. My problem is that we all know what he can do, even if he isn’t doing it right now. If he can find something like Pat Burrell has found in the last month this will be one of the best lineups in all of baseball, not just the NL East. That’s why Bobby is sticking with him, because of what could happen if he gets hot. I’m not saying I agree with Bobby leaving him in the lineup, but I think I at least understand why.He’s had a horrible year but he has 45 games where he can be a difference maker. Let’s hope it happens.
Too all those that sit and point out all the faults of this team, take a look at our competetion. The Mutts’ bullpen has blown two saves for Glavine in the last week or so. Billy Wagner blew a save the other night, and the Braves should have at least sent that last game at Shea into extra innings. Their bullpen gave up a grand slam tonight. Look at the Phillies, we should have beaten Gordon last night and tonight they send a guy out who walks the bases loaded in the 9th.
The point is while we are so tied up in looking at what we don’t have, what we do have is an offense that can beat anybody and a bullpen that is just as good as our competetion. To me that’s what gives us the edge. And I may be wrong, but I think we will have more trouble with the Phillies than with the Mutts. Braves will be in the playoffs, that will happen. I think we win the East.
By Thrillhouse44
August 12, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this
joebrave, chill, bro. The USA doesn’t have an official language. Just skip over it if it gets you so worked up.
The Braves are looking good. We’re going to have to score a lot of runs to win, but I think we’re going to do it consistently. I still have my vacation days earmarked for an October trip to ATL.
By fourscore
August 12, 2007 12:45 AM | Link to this
joebrave said: This Is The United States Of America!!!Speak and Write the Native Language or GET THE He11 out.
I guess we better brush up on our Sioux and Mohican or head back to Europe.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 12:47 AM | Link to this
BravesFanChris, Royce Ring has not started a game at the collegiate or professional level, going back to 2000. It looks like he’s a one to two inning max pitcher. Safe to say that he won’t be saving the ATL rotation any time soon.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 12, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this
DOB—I can’t believe stinky was that gullible…but I offered him an out…he can leave this blog right now, forever…or the next time I see him post, or even suspect that it’s him…then I will definitely turn his email over to my friends…so hang on to those that you have until we see what mr. stinky decides to do…choice is his…
By KC
August 12, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
chrisklob: Yeah, I didn’t see the earlier post you were responding to. The Braves actually went into the season with 6, not 7 possible starters. Redman was signed as replacement for Hampton.
If Cormier looks decent the rest of the way, I think the Braves may in fact go into next spring with seven possible starters. That’d be nice.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
joebrave Thanks fella,I was thinking my tone was too negative tonight till I saw the garbage you posted.Bob I answered the hr thing above.As I posted earlier the use of the pen tonight can’t be seperated from the general mismanagement of the relievers that got us to this point.My criticism is a long view thing not a knee jerk one.It’s easy to be critical after a loss,it’s just as easy to be Mary sunshine after a win.
By KC
August 12, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this
DOB or SJA I probably shouldn’t even ask… but what is the Stinky controversy about? What did he say that was surprising coming from him?
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 12, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this
As a matter of fact “stinky”…just go ahead and have that internet service canceled first thing in the morning…
Unbelievable!…
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 12, 2007 1:02 AM | Link to this
Savannah Guy—there were a few course hairs in that cheese…not sure if they were whiskers though…
By BravesFanChris22
August 12, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this
Speaking of Redman (hahaha, sorry had to laugh), where is he pitching now?
By KC
August 12, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this
By Klingon Braves Fan:
Kergn daaigh rai dokh Braves! (sorry, that’s all I know)
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this
SJA
Are you the proverbial wolf guarding the hen house? I seem to remember you nastily going after Ron Roberts. Granted, I don’t know what stinky did, but its hard for me to imagine it being much worse. You’d have to pose a serious threat before law enforcement got involved, friend or not. No offense, but the threat sounds idle.
chrisklob
I was a young teenager when Aldo Nova cut that album.
Lew
I know you and I haven’t seen eye to eye, but you can’t count me as a naysayer. In fact, I constantly harp on your buddy Will about his prediction that the sky will fall and Wickman will blow every game.
Who’s going to the Labor Day weekend series vs the Mets. I’m driving up from Tampa. Who wants to have a $5 beer with me?
DOB
How are the fans in the new ballpark? Did they price out the real a***** that used to lurk at the Vet? I used to go see the Braves there when I was stationed in Maryland from 89-93. After one game, I was doing the chop leaving the parking lot and a bunch of angry jerks were throwing bottles and cans at my car. Do you see the same type in the new park?
By Todd A
August 12, 2007 1:28 AM | Link to this
Good comments at 12:43 Double Deuce.
By Stuart
August 12, 2007 1:30 AM | Link to this
Well, how are things on As The Blog Turns tonight? Are the Braves still a pitiable, inept bunch with no hope of catching those mighty Mets.
DOB,
This team has as much of a chance as it ever has. The thing that makes this team seem like they are worse than they are is HOW they lose. Friday for example, not scoring for 8 innings after getting ahead 4-0. Also they have blown multiple 4 run leads in the last couple of weeks.
They way they win is frustrating too. They blow out people and then cant score when they need to. (Arizona series) or like tonight they have a chance to run the Phils out of the the park and hang on because they let them off the hook.
It is maddening, but they have as good a chance as anybody at this thing if they can get over the 7 above .500 hump they seem to be stuck on. If they can get the win tomorrow, they have the big two go against SF at home. It would be great to win the next 4 and really put the heat on the Mets and Padres before Zona comes a callin.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 12, 2007 1:35 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave—if you last for very long around here…you will learn to mind your own business…if you want test your “idle threat” theory…go for it…
thesouthern.jackass@yahoo.com
By BravesFanChris22
August 12, 2007 1:41 AM | Link to this
A bit off topic, but….
Its been like 4 to 5 straight days of 110+ in heat index here in Florida where I live, has it been that hot elsewhere?
Back on topic….
If Cormier can return to Spring Training Form, the 5th spot should be in good shape for the rest of the way.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 1:44 AM | Link to this
Bob Thank you for the 8:47 post!!!!!!!! Wow!! A blast from the past!!! I remember that game~ I was watching it on TV, I was 11 freakin yrs of age!!!! I had Totally forgotten about that!!!! The mind is a trip~ I would have never recalled that had it not been for your post! I wonder what else I’ve 4gotten???? There were some Coyote ugly nights~ hope you cannot jar any of those memories loose~lol How “bout Rick Ankiel?????? Pretty cool~ huh? :o)
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this
SJA
I see you like to hold the moral high ground. No way do I give a blowhard like you my email address. Don’t want your viruses. But I’ll be at the Brave’s game 9/1 vs the Mets. If you want to make threats, I’ll be in section 409 row 12 seat 5. I’m sure a big shot like you will show up with your law enforcement buddies to show what a BadAss you really are. See you at the game. I’ll have a beer in each hand.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this
Carolina Lady Yes Ma’am I did get your post on the keys to the doghouse~ I will be more than happy to render them back to you:o) Also am aware of your health issue. Of Course my thoughts and Prayers are with you!!!! You, I feel are a very Strong Person! That Alone is more than 75% of the battle!!!!!!! You take CARE of yourself! 9 times outta 10 A strong mind always wins:o) I could give you examples using posts from some of the other bloggers from here! However if I did~ I think you would probably hand the keys right back to me?? lol (just kiddin’ I hope?) :o) Whats really nice, is we are gonna be in second place come monday and on our way to the Division Crown:o)
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 1:59 AM | Link to this
just a reminder~ the perseides meteor shower is 2nite thru monday~ I was just outside, and its pretty cool~ didnt see as many as was predicted by media~ but did see quite a few in about a half hour period
By The Grinch
August 12, 2007 2:04 AM | Link to this
Yeeee-haaaaa. This is one drunk a* Grinch. PROST. Auf Wiedersehen.
By BravesFanChris22
August 12, 2007 2:10 AM | Link to this
Well, I’m going to bed. Thanks to you guys who helped clarify my questions. Nice to meet you and talk baseball. Can’t wait for the series finale tonight.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this
* Serbok*
Nothing but clouds outside. Will try again tomorrow.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 2:20 AM | Link to this
I watched a replay of the game on SS.I posted earlier that Soriano had 5 or so pitches belt high and down the middle that could easily have been hrs.After watching the replay that number is 11.All 11 were belt high down the middle or close with little or no movement.Only 3 or so were really prime gofer types.Some were changeups or had good velocity.He did have a couple of real good sliders but it was a slider that didn’t slide which resulted in the hr.
By Bob, Journalist
August 12, 2007 2:20 AM | Link to this
MEB, I basically agree on Soriano and Wickman but it is somewhat disconcerting to have a setup man who suddenly has a proclivity for giving up the homerun and an aging closer with possible health issues.
Jimmy, while I felt compelled to respond to Paladin, it was simply for the purpose of clarification … it is not, nor shall it become my practice to become so embroiled, certainly not at the personal level … I leave the so called “cat fighting” to those who endorse and/or achieve satisfaction from engaging in such behavior.
From my perspective, Paladin’s behavior bespeaks insecurity and a strong desire for acceptance, manifested in part by defensiveness and a persecution complex … that is, he human.
Stinky’s intent and objective are unclear but I rather doubt that his reference to jjs was a simple, unintentional case of mistaken identity … the onion has many layers and knowing Stinky, he’ll peel this one for us if he perceives an advantage in so doing.
We all have our demons … we are what we are.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 2:21 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave Dude~ SJA is either a psychopath or (which is more likely) Another Dumba$$ behind a keyboard~ I think it was Ron roberts who called his BS bluff earlier today? Dude~ Its just not a good idea to let the world know where you will be at any certain time~ unless of course you wre Bullsittin! which I hope is the case! Idiots LIKE him~ have NO respect~ there is no reason to even indulge such ignorance? BTW~ I grew up in tampa~ Town-n-country~ then moved next door to Malio’s~ What an awesome place that was!!! Did you ever hangout at Malio’s? just curious? Great place to pick up the ladies! (forgive me CL?) :o)
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 2:22 AM | Link to this
Good night all. Look forward to more baseball talk tomorrow. I think that’s what this blog is about. Right???
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 2:34 AM | Link to this
Malio’s closed down a couple of years ago, but I read that they are reopening somewhere else here in Tampa. Never got the privelege of going. I heard stories though about the ladies there. Lot’s of $$$. Where are you located now? Don’t be too specific in case psycho man wants to track you down with his law enforcement buddies. Me, I don’t fear anyone. Never have, never will. I just don’t want a virus pushed my way. Thanks for the reminder about the meteor shower.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 2:52 AM | Link to this
Steve I liked your 10:31 post~ however, it seems to me that BB managers in and of themselves sre Waaaaayyyyyy to steadfast on the “book” that innovative thinking like that cannot happen~ I could see someone like Charley Finely or that guy that was in Chicago~ (The Disco guy) What was his name? I think the guys father brought in Eddie Geidel to bat? I cant remember his name~ he was a great Marketing guy. It would take someone like that to do what you are proposing. I think it’s an excellent idea you have! BB is so steadfast in tradition that I cant see that happening. I do see it happening in the distant future tho~ Your thinking is very pro-active and Spot on IMO
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 2:58 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave Just remember? Charge a gun~ and run from a knife? LOL That’s Jimmy Hoffa’s advice? LOL I’m in Fort myers now~ beautiful place~ but night life SUX~ I hope to get back to tpa soon! GO Buc’S!! We have and always will have the Falcons number!! LOL Which reminds me~ Grinch And I have never had a direct post to one another? I guess thats what its called? Just wanna remind him~ Joey Frickin Harrington!! LOL I do enjoy his posts~ one of the more level headed ppl on here that Grinch fella is~
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 3:07 AM | Link to this
Serbok
Mike Veeck did disco demolition night in the old comiskey park. His father Bill, owned the white sox.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 3:07 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave I doubt someone like SJA has the ability to send a virus~ maybe he can~ I doubt it tho~ Also~ Never be afraid to be afraid? LOL It might save your life someday? LOL There are~ as you are well aware~ All kindsa sociopaths in this world? Take GW bush for example??(unfortunately you cant run from him or charge him?) LOL LOL Won’t go there! Outta respect to the blog:o) I do tech support for Apple computers! We do not get Viruses:o) Please let me know where Malio’s re-opens? I’d appreciate it~ Malio knows how to party!
By Bob, Journalist
August 12, 2007 3:11 AM | Link to this
Steve, I’ve often thought in terms of something similar to what you’ve proposed … starting a long reliever to be replaced by the scheduled starter after 3 innings … one a lefty the other a righty.
The potential problem I anticipated and couldn’t dismiss is the impact on the scheduled starter … as currently structured, the starter knows that he enters game with the score tied and he has ownership of the team’s fate until relieved of duty.
I suspect that to be significant and am not confident that a starter could effectively handle being saddled with a deficit for which he was not responsible.
It may not be materially different in point of fact but it also takes away some of the uncertainty between starts … and there certainly would be a reduction in focus involved as he warms up while the game is in progress.
How he pitches is to some extent dependent on the situation … again relating to preparation.
If the pitcher is preoccupied with his won-loss record, he would be pleased … for it would almost definitely improve … he can win without going 5 innings and if he enters game where his team is losing, he escapes the loss unless his team pulls even while he is pitching.
I liked the idea because it offered a little better opportunity to get ahead since the right/left lineup composition is usually stacked against the scheduled starter … and, regardless of that, the change in pitchers should offer some marginal advantage.
Savannah, much obliged, mon ami. We’ll win this thing yet!
Good Night Miss Allen
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 3:19 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave thanx for jarring my memory~ thats twice 2night~:o) Yeah~ it takes ppl like them to do what the poster “steve” had in mind~ and b4 I get flamed for not knowing the difference from a manager to an owner is~ George? I rest my case:o)lol
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 3:23 AM | Link to this
I think Mike Veeck works as a consultant for the Devil Rays. A no win situation.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 3:28 AM | Link to this
Last one Serbok
www.maliosprime.com
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 3:37 AM | Link to this
Bob, Journalist for once Dude~ can you just say? You like the Idea or dislike the idea? from the way I understand your post~ long relievers~ middle relievers and closers are mentally deficient? Due to the fact that they have no control of the situations that they are henceforth brought into? As I understood it as a child (which I consider myself to be) The ultimate goal is for a winning outcome? Are you saying, that pitchers are so egotistacle (SP) That they will not be able to accomplish said task? To me it makes perfect sense~ (Steve’s post) I have the feeling, that just as the game has changed to the extent that Glavine will probably be the last 300 game winner (depending on Johnson) The Game will change again? May take 20 years? Ever envision the day may come where we have 2 inning “specialists?” If that were to happen tho I guess we would need one 3 inning specialist? LOL
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 3:42 AM | Link to this
last post promise:o) I’m watching a lil’ league game on ESPN. The team that is Batting~ along with the base runners are wearing Football helmets?!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow~ I’ll have to sleep on that one? LOL I wish you All well! After 2morrow WE will have Sole posession of 2nd place!!! And on the WAY to the Division Title for the 15th year outta 16!!!!!!!!! GO BRAVES!!!!!
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 3:46 AM | Link to this
Thanx Tampabrave :o) Go Braves:o) Screw the negative Clouds on this blog! LOL Maybe they will actually see a meteor someday? I doubt it! lol
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 3:56 AM | Link to this
Bob, Journalist My Apologies Bob, I shoulda prefaced my post with Starting pitchers, not long, middle and closers~ My Bad~ Cl my thoughts are with you~
By BravesDave
August 12, 2007 4:00 AM | Link to this
I am here. I have to say, not watching Soriano give up another home run is much better than watching Soriano give up another home run. Unfortunately, the bar where I was partying was only showing the Yanks and Mets, so I missed a nice Braves win. I did have the absolute joy of watching the Mets lose another one to the Marlins. Glavine pitched well, but the bullpen let him down. Sounds like a familiar refrain.
Anyway, a lot of positives tonight. A halfway decent performance from Cormier, great performance from Mahay, another big performance from Villarreal, a few hits for Andruw, and more fireworks from Kelly and Jeff. All in all, a great night. Plus, the Padres lost.
By Eric C.
August 12, 2007 4:37 AM | Link to this
DOB, I know it’s been pointed out already since your post…but it is really worth restating that the Braves loaded the bases w/0 outs THREE times in the top of the 9th in the past FIVE games and didn’t score…now THAT is impossible, especially with this line-up!
Great win last night!
By Eric C.
August 12, 2007 4:54 AM | Link to this
Soriano is a HR waiting to happen… how long before he is removed from the set-up role?
I know it’s early, but could Mahay eventually move into that role? Perhaps he is the tough, clutch, durable, lefty that Remlinger was in his prime. He actually gives up a lower BA against righties too.
By ssiscribe
August 12, 2007 7:29 AM | Link to this
Top of the morning, denizens, following quite a productive night for the hometown nine in Philly, and other ports of call.
Good to see some positive vibes out there. Winning, and the Mets losing, and the wild-card leader losing, will cause that.
Baseball is a long, long season, and I know watching this team this season has been, at times, like banging your head repeatedly into a brick wall. But finally, at long and blessed last, I think we’re seeing the Braves start to round into form.
They’ve beaten good pitchers. They’ve rallied to win games. They’re playing better at home. They’re hitting like nobody’s business. The bullpen, for its cracks, has done its job more often than not. The starters are solid one through four, with a good effort from Lance at No. 5 last night.
This team, as I’ve said time and time and time again, is going to go to the playoffs. You are starting to see the long-awaited move we’ve been looking for just about all summer. Now in the dog days of August, with the temperature hitting triple digits and the pennant race in full swing, the Braves are coming into shape.
Need to get this one today. Remember, it’s about winning series, two out of three, two out of three, two out of three. Keep doing that, and October will dawn with playoff T-shirts for sale, playoff tickets in hand and a spot in the postseason.
That’s all you can ask, to get to October. Once there, all you gotta do is win 11 games to win it all, but you can’t win it all if you don’t get there.
The Braves, as I’ve said all along, are on their way. Last night definitely was a good step toward getting there. Here’s hoping today is the next step, as the Braves go for the series win in Philly before coming back to Atlanta.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By Bob, Journalist
August 12, 2007 7:53 AM | Link to this
Serbok, when dealing with the complex, there are usually both positives and negatives to be considered … were that not the case, I doubt that it would be considered complex.
I wasn’t meaning to suggest that a strong 2-3 inning pitcher followed by a starter from whom you expect 5 innings is something I oppose … as I believe Steve was suggesting.
I certainly wasn’t suggesting that starters were mentally deficient … some may be, but methinks intelligence is a prerequisite for being a good starting pitcher.
I have on occasion suggested something similar to that which Steve suggested … however, when I put the pencil thereto, I found that I had some serious concerns. While perhaps poorly articulated in my earlier post, I was simply attempting to share some of those concerns … primarily as they related to my general idea though I felt that they, at least to some extent, apply to what I perceived to be his situation specific suggestion.
I suppose what got lost in the translation of thought to rhetoric was the overriding concern that the starting pitcher is an artist and the picture he paints is highly dependent on the condition of the canvas when he picks up the brush.
All of his preparation assumes a pristine canvas and, in his many hours of preparation, he has sketched it all out in his mind’s eye long before he ever picks up the brush … it’s rare when the masterpiece turns out exactly as planned but depriving the artist of the opportunity to paint it … or inhibiting his ability to so do … with those things one should not trifle.
Again, that’s not to say that I oppose Steve’s idea … I support it under the right conditions, especially if one is right handed and the other is not.
Well, another night with 4 hours sleep … methinks a short nap after breakfast is in order!
By newbie
August 12, 2007 7:55 AM | Link to this
From Buster Olney’s blog on ESPN.com
“• Two talent evaluators who watched John Smoltz recently have noted that he has all but stopped throwing his split-fingered fastball, and they take that as a sign that his shoulder is not feeling great these days. “He is such a competitor that he is finding a way,” said one scout. “But the last time I saw him, he threw maybe four splitters. That’s exactly the way it was with Tim Hudson a few years ago — when he didn’t feel good, he stopped throwing his splitter.” The scout says that Smoltz’s command of his fastball is so good that he can give himself a good chance to win, but he is not pitching at the same level that he was earlier in the season.”
Troubling. DOB, are we correct to assume that Smoltzie won’t be shutting it down for extra rest until the Bravos have clinched a spot (or been eliminated from one)?
By ncscoots
August 12, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this
I love the smell of blog in the morning. Smells like…victory.
BossLady, and others, want relievers who can get outs in the 8th and 9th. Uh, Soriano and Wickman got six. Afraid that’s all they are allowed.
But I know what she meant: get six outs without giving up a hit, preferably strike out the side with no contact at all, LOL! Perhaps we should revisit the strategic mission of late-inning relievers…get enough outs to finish the game before giving up enough runs to tie the game. Style points don’t count.
Most business processes have efficiency as a goal (strike ‘em all out, no contact), but sometimes, in the interests of expediency, you just have to brute-force that puppy, disregard the interim, and deliver the desired result. More often than not this year, this bullpen has done that.
By Bob
August 12, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this
A-ville Ranger,
I saw that you corrected the initial post about a 2 run homer. Time delay you know.
Just like you, I have concerns every time Soriano and Wickman come in. But the question remains, what options do you want Bobby to execute based on what he has available? You need to have Mahay available to pitch to left handed batters like he did to Howard tonight. Oscar is your long guy, although I agree with a lot of folks here who think he ought to be the #5 if Cormier doesn’t work out. Moylan had been used for 4 consecutive nights. Yates pitched Friday and besides everyone has a hissy fit when he comes in too. That leaves Acosta…you want him in the 8th or 9th against one of the best hitting teams in that Philly bandbox?
I don’t disagree at all with your concerns about Soriano and Wickman. I also agree far too many of Soriano’s pitches were straight and in a bad location. But while all that is true, I don’t see a lot of other options.
The Braves have pitching issues. No magic wand is going to cure them. There were very few options available at the trade deadline, which at least partially explains why so many other teams are in the same boat. The Mets bullpen, supposedly so much better than the Braves bullpen, has been hammered the last two days. The Phillies have their own issues with starters and relief pitching. This is going to be a wild ride until the finish line. I like the Braves’ chances.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this
I just read through last night’s posts and, among other things, I am willing to give BobJ the last word—if that will suffice.
I was amused and amazed that the-one-who-stinks gave his e-mail address and his IP(what’s an IP?:-))to SJA. As for your “mission” Most Honorable, “God speed, John Glenn”!
Finally, the unbelievable meddling by TampaBrave. At first I thought he had been jackaled, but when it turned into the Tampabrave and Serbok show I said to myself, no, that’s really him. What made me suspicious(that he had been jackaled)was a word that the word nazi censored in one of his earlier posts. That was after he took me to task for using something that if I used it right now, would float right through.
Anyway TampaBrave, you can call me the Blog Czar wannabee or whatever, but if you get into it with SJA you are way over your head. Will and Shaun are more your speed.
By ncscoots
August 12, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
There seems to be a concern among some bloggers about the lack of “movement” on some pitchers’ heaters, and I assume by that they mean late movement near the zone. But, in actuality, very few pitchers have that kind of “movement” on a four-seam fastball. Four-seamers thrown on-the-black-at-the-knees can be straight as a laser, for all the good it will do a hitter. One thrown in the happy zone is going to get spanked, for all the good “movement” will do the pitcher.
Velocity and location count on a four-seamer. Late action counts on cutters, sinkers, and two-seamers. Different pitches, different situations, different pitchers.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this
BobJ By a “margin”(I won’t tell you what that margin was)I have been “advised” in private that I over-reacted yesterday, and that I should apologize to you. I do so now.
Let’s you continue being you, and I will continue being me and maybe someday the twain shall meet. After all, we don’t live but about 50 miles from each other.
Have a nice day, sir. As for me, I’m off for some rousing fly-fishing. Actually, I’m going to church.
By John in Wichita
August 12, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
It’s sure hard to write this Braves team off as being “not of World Series caliber” if you consider the team that won last year and what they did in the second half of the season.
It only takes three solid weeks once you are in the tournament to win, and more times than not “the best team on paper” doesn’t win. The team that wants it the most… that’s the team to look out for.
By MEB
August 12, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
A—ville Ranger… I’ve got the game on tape and after watching the bottom of the eighth inning again I’m sorry but I don’t agree.
Ryan Howard - Soriano got ahead 0-2 and then continued to pitch aggressively and Howard hit a ball hard but right into the shift.
Rowand - Got ahead of him 1-2 and then he hits a 2-2 that was a big fat slider that didn’t slide. The result was a solo homer.
Dobbs - Long at bat but Soriano never got behind in the count. Took something off his 95mph fastball and struck him out. Very similar pitch to what Smoltz has been using this year. Sometime they call it “batting practice” fastball. Soriano also appears to have loosened up and is throwing much freely. Maybe he needs more work in the pen before he comes out.
Werth - Struck him out on four pitches. Simply overpowered him.
Hey… I don’t like his recent history of giving up the long ball but the guy does have tremendous talent. I just thought he did a great job under the circumstances.
By AMG
August 12, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
This team is fun to watch but they drive me crazy sometimes.
Just some examples: they can sore 3 runs with 2 out and nobody on, but they cannot sore with the bases loaded and NO outs.
They look great against good teams like the Phillies and Mets, but have trouble against teams with loosing records.
Good Grief!!
By Chase
August 12, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this
Funny isn’t it!
MUTS TOOL, NCZ, ANDERS, and MUTS FAN are nowhere to be found!
And what was it MUTS TOOL said 2 blogs ago after the Braves beat the Mets? Oh YEAH! “Predicition, Mets sweep the guppies and the Braves get swept by the Filthies, Braves are 6.5 GB by Monday”
Yeah, that was a typical MUTS fan prediciton!
Although he might be right about a sweep at SHEA….He may have just had the wrong team!
By brandon
August 12, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
DOB, see you’ve been hitting up the Philly concessions. Have you had the crab fries yet? They’re amazing!
By NCBravesFan
August 12, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this
Chase LOL - looks like the water’s a li’l too warm right now for the Mets fans. They’ll be back if the tables turn a bit (as they invariably seem to in this crazy game).
By Salty
August 12, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this
DO’B Lot of Pogues and some Dropkick Murphy’s to their sound. ???
I like your music messages, but that’s speaking in tongue…I’m not (anywhere near) there yet! Translation, please?
I check out some of your recommendations…expand my ‘library’ as it were, so you and the other music denizens, keep ‘em coming!
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
Brandon, where’s the crab fries concession?
By joebrave
August 12, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
A$$-ranger,that makes about twice Your $orry arse,has called me out in two days..Last time I let it slide pal!!Be warned!!!
Now to baseball,Has anyone signed Tomo Ohka???maybe A.J. should quit swinging so hard his wittle Elbow aould’nt be sore…
Tampa Brave let it rest Bra,your in over your head!!!
By Gil in Mechanicsville
August 12, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
A simple observation on Soriano, The gopher ball given up to Alou was simply a case of a good hitter swinging at a pitch out of the strike zone and getting lucky.
As for last night’s homer. it was a solo shot and it was simply a mistake pitch. At least he did not walk two guys before he threw it. A solo homer is a sign of a guy being aggressive in the strike zone, I much prefer it to someone who nibbles and then “walks” themselves out of the game.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
Paladin
Why must you persist with all this nonsense? I don’t call it meddling when SJA wants to keep driving his nonsense and I call him on it. I get on here to talk baseball, but I keep encountering blog bureaucrats like yourself, who instead of talking baseball, try to breed a good ole’ boys club mentality. I don’t twitch when a blog bully such as yourself keeps critiquing my posts. I am satisfied that my posts are relevant. For all I know Paladin and SJA could be clones, but as long as we bring it to the blog table focused mostly around some AB discussion, I don’t care who’s who. Could you describe the blogging leagues and give me a breakdown of who is where? How do you arrive at your findings?
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
JoeBrave
Over my head??? What does that mean? Qualify and quantify please.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
DOB
I had a question pertaining to the Philly fans from a post at 1:26am. Need a scouting report.
Fans
As I posted last night, anyone want to have a beer at the 9/1 Mets game? That’s a friendly beer BTW.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave It is a simple “word to the ‘wise’”.which on you, is apparently wasted. Go for it, big guy.
To all I refer you to my post yesterday when in answer to “chip dip’s” prediction that Cormier would “no hit” the Phoolies, I said, “I’ll be satisfied if he “no hits” the order 3 or 4 times while the offense lays-some-lumber.” If the offense hadn’t had that meltdown in the 9th, that would not have been that far off.
Don’t get on me, Wayne, I’ll take ‘em anyway we can get them. :-)
By beki
August 12, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
I am old enough to know the bluesy “Ball and Chain” and Janis Joplin’s version of it. Janis rocks! Otherwise,another two cents worth of opinions,last night’s game was a good,frustrating,nailbiting game. I just wish we wouldn’t have so many of those. Oh, well, time to go to the Barbecue Kitchen in East Point for fried chicken and banana pudding.
By bruce
August 12, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
Dave… Crabfries is in centerfield, Ashburn Alley, turned sideways with line facing toward Bulls BBQ…. line last night there was huge too… here is a link They have a restaurant same name nearby too… I passed it driving out last night.
By caveman22
August 12, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave
Are you shocked?
Asking Paladin to not be a meddling retard is like asking to the Sun not to shine.
Maybe while he is at church today he will have the time to actually open his Bible and learn about Hipprocrites.
As you can tell be his day-long blog-a-thon’s he doesn’t have anything else to do, it’s sad but true.
Just remember a d-i-c-k will always be a d-i-c-k, until it gets excited, then it’s just a bigger d-i-c-k!
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
beki Thank you for mentioning a music artist whose name I recognize. And I agree, Janis rock(ed).
As for the vittles at the BK in East Point: You are makin’ my mouth water.
By S T I N K Y
August 12, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
Paladin, I just got an e-mail from one of SJA’s law enforcement buddies - Gary, of “Gary’s Bail Bonds”. Seems like Gary wants to know the Jackass’s whereabouts?
You two seem pretty tight. Any ideas?
By woogidy
August 12, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
Hey DOB, heard of the band Mute Math? They’re not bad. Check them out. Coming to Atlanta Nov 3. Self titled CD is out.
By jbutler
August 12, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
John - Witchita: I have to agree w/your assessment on World Series potential given who won last year. But- I hate to think that lowering the bar and backing in is really the way to do it. Not all that inspiring.
But…get to the postseason and anything can happen. Winning the division I think is best bet - probably most realistic.
I have a ton of family in Wichita and Lawrence…so I have to respect your opinion!!
By Lew
August 12, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
Joe Brave-Dude-Sometimes experience is the best teacher. Time to just sit back and watch the show. It’ll be good for a chuckle, anyway. Kind of like the dueling banjos thing from Delivererance-or at least something from that flick.
By Lew
August 12, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
Stinky-You got a call from Gary U.S. Bonds? Dude, did he sing Joli Blond?
By woogidy
August 12, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
I’ll have a beer with ya tampabrave Us bloggers should all do the chophouse one night anyways, like a tuesday night game, less crowded up there.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
Salty, DOB can answer this much better than myself. I’m certainly no expert on music at all.
The Pogues are kickass Irish music. Well, not kickass in that they don’t scream and yell all song long like too many punk Irish bands love to do - but more kickass in their eclectic mixture of many different forms of music that they pull off so well. They have a unique blend of classic rock, punk rock, blues, country, and Irish folk sung by a madman lead singer. The coolest Saint Paddy’s Day tunes you could listen to - but they are also so good you could listen to them all year round as well - at least I do. If you have ever been in an Irish bar, chances are you have heard them a million times without ever realizing it. Listening to them, you will want to go waste another afternoon in an Irish bar as soon as you can. I like their Dirty Old Town & London Girl the best.
As for Dropkick, you probably know them too. If you saw the Departed last year, they had that Shipping Up to Boston song that set the tone for that entire movie. Don’t know if that movie would have had the same feel without that song. If you have watched enough of the Red Sox the last few years (how can you avoid it?), you also probably know their Tessie song without realizing it as well. In fact, by now you are probably sick of that Tessie song as much as we all are sick of the Red Sox being shoved down our throats.
Well, that’s me playing amateur music critic for this Sunday morn. But, yeah, Salty, most of the time I have no clue whom DOB is speaking of. But that’s kind of the fun of it. At least for once I was lucky enough to know who he was talking about.
By bruce
August 12, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
Dave, after reading about Bull’s BBQ on Phillies site, and passing an attractive lady walk with a turkey leg on her plate, I may just try this place tonight rather than the pork sandwich at Tony Luke’s. Have you tried Bulls? and if so what is your favorite? Thanks, Bruce
Bull’s BBQ (Ashburn Alley)
An outdoor picnic area featuring pit beef, barbecued ribs, pit turkey, pulled barbecue pork, barbecue turkey legs legs and the “Bulldog,” an extra-large kielbasa sandwich. Greg “The Bull” Luzinski is the daily host.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Caveman 22
Guess I haven’t been around long enough to know. Nice way of puttin it.
I called on the spirit of Jeff Treadway yesterday, predicting elevated output from KJ. Although it may seem prophetic, I cannot take credit for JTs magic. Simply a casual observer of events and history.
Tonight, only those with the patience to wait on those slow, slower, and slowest pitches that rarely hit the middle of the plate, will succeed. Who, pray tell, will it be from our lineup? Any thoughts on who will hit Jamie Moyer tonight? I suggest we score at least 6 runs if we want to win tonight. The Budster has a tough road tonight against this lineup.
By Wayne in Utah
August 12, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
Caveman22 Dude, you are such a waste of blog space……do you think that will help to recover my rep?
:-)
Ron R I did see Rush Hour 3 with my 15 year old. We liked the flick, but thought it was a step down from RH2.
Thoughts on Soriano: I wouldn’t be overly surprised to see him shipped out this winter, if he doesn’t fix his woes in the next 6-7 weeks. I am OK with a guy giving up and ocassional solo shot, just being agressive, but his gaffes are becoming much too frequent.
Dale Murphy Amen, brother!
Thanks to ESPN, I will be able to watch the Braves this evening!
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
LEW
I addressed your fair weather references late last night.
I love that movie Deliverance where you and Paladin come out of the woods and get a hankerin’ for Ned Beatty. Dude, that acting was so good, one might think you were actually that hillbilly. I think SJA does a great job on the banjo too. Kudos to you SJA.
By AthensBrave
August 12, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
They made it rain boos DOB?
we make em boo
we make em boo
we make em boo
Lets make rain boos again tonight…GO BRAVOS!!!!
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave Guess I haven’t been around long enough to know. Nice way of puttin it. Now, there’s a fitting “ally” for you.
Baseball. Despite your usual negative twist, I think the Budster will be more than up to it.
By Wayne in Utah
August 12, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
What is Maday Mahay’s contract situation? Let’s hope he is signed for a few years, or is happy with southern cookin’.
By AthensBrave
August 12, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
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By Lew
August 12, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
Now Tampa Brave-What did I say? Dide I mention you for a starring role in the movie? Nah, I just referenced a famous back and forth-that’s all. Personally, I called truce with Stinky AND SJA a long time ago. Seemed to me to be a fruitless p!$$!ng contest. Maybe you should actually try a cease fire yourself. At least I had the brains and cojones to go up against them. You? Maybe not so much.
By Salty
August 12, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
Braveheart
Thanks! Yeah, straightaway I ‘yahooed’ and realized DOB was referencing bands…pulled up a couple and recognized the Departed tune. I like the music; vocals less. Pogues got my attention after a few notes…will definitely dig deeper there.
I’m with you on the musical blogs…baseball is great, but I do like music…and even more, like to expland my ‘ear’!
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave Would some of the language your new “ally” used also get your daughter’s mouth washed out with soap? And why don’t you call her in to see “Daddy’s” homosexual references on a PG blog? I dare you!
By NCBravesFan
August 12, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
Tampa The Braves did just fine against El Duque this week, and he was throwing little more than the speed limit at times. When the Braves hitters are patient with guys like Moyer or El Duque, they usually get pitches they can handle at some point in the count.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 12, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
TampaBrave—interesting to see that you’re such a staunch defender of “stinky”…or maybe you are stinky…or is it that you’re just a nosy sonofab!tch??…see you at the game…
Stinky—you had your chance…but you were too damned ignorant to take it…switching computers won’t save your @$$…
Ron Roberts—I’ll be in the “Big Easy” taking in Mardi Gras in early Feb…definitely be looking up your sorry carcase…you cowardly, ignorant co{k$u{ker!!!…
joebrave—keep giving these sonsabitches hell!…
caveman22—you put the @$$ in A$sClown…
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Lew Braveheart Wayne Salty Athens Brave et al. Why don’t we leave the blog to the idiots, foul-mouths, negative-nellies and BIG Men(?) and come back when there is some intelligent life to talk to? I’m going to.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Paladin
Still waiting for explanation of your blogging caste system of which you seem to be a/the spokesman for.
I don’t need allies. I have my own takes. If someone agrees, great! If they don’t, fine! If they want to explain their take, I’ll listen! Now pipe down then.
If reference to the Budster, it is not a knock to say he will have more problems with the phillies than other teams. They are hot hitters right now and in a ballpark that screams offense. Saying that we need to score six runs to win is not a knock on Buddy. I suspect he will give a yeoman’s effort tonight.
If you want to find negative, try Will and Lew, who wanted to run Yates out on a rail the other night.
By Lew
August 12, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
Paladin-That’s basically what I was trying to do. However, carrying on with the cinema theme- Just when I thought I was out, Tampa Brave keeps pulling me back. Besides, looking for intelligent life with some of these Yahoos is roughly akin to watching the first amoeba crawl from the primordial ooze on it’s millenia long journey towards Oh, The Humanity.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
Sorry. NCBravesFan and SJA came in after I wrote my last. You two, are also invited.
By Wayne in Utah
August 12, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
Paladin Not that anyone would have noticed, but I have been gone a LOT more than I have been here for the past few weeks. I do love talking about the Braves, but the bickering is getting a little out of hand.
Also, the negativism is hard to take on days when we don’t play perfectly, and EVEN sometimes on those days! Some are never satisfied. I don’t think there is a perfect baseball team out there that could satisfy some here.
I do feel a responsibility to chime in on the blog in support of all that Dave O’Brien does for us Braves fans. If not for him and some of my other friends here, I would be gone for good.
Well, I am off to church this morning, and look forward to the Braves game on ESPN tonight. Just need to tune out Joe Morgan. Man grates on me a bit.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
Tampabrave As of now, I have quit talking to you like I have your two, or is it one?, bud(s) who came out from under their/his rock(s), earlier. And, in closing, I don’t owe you an expanation for a damn thing. Out!
By BravesFanChris22
August 12, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
I wonder what the lineup will be for Braves tonight, since its Moyer for Phillies.
By Lew
August 12, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave-Run Yates out on a rail? I don’t think so. There goes your constant penchant for over-dramitization, yet again. If you had actually read beyond the name Tyler Yates (you do read, don’t you? Or am I taking way too much for granted?), you would have seen that what I did was quote Yates from an interview with the Esteemed DOB, where Yates categortized HIMSELF as having no confidence in HIMSELF. Then I also mentioned that Dan Kolb had made similar statements before he imploded. Ride him out on a rail? Hardly. But, then again, why would you concern yourself with details and accuracy? It’s much easier to make an @$$ of yourself if you delete the details, isn’t it? Little Boy, you better run and hide before you try to get into it with a pros. Blogging Hierarchy? Yes, there is one, with the lesser intellects at the bottom. Too damn bad you’re at the lower levels. We all realize exactly where the flow of excrement ends up, don’t we? Go shower Moron. Your betters are playing the game right now. You would do well to sit at our feet and learn wisdom.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
SJA
Start thinking now about the reasons you won’t show. When you don’t show, I’ll be back here letting everybody know what they already know, that you are a gutless punk hiding under the mask of a tough sounding handle. The fact that you use SJA tells me alot about you. This is a safe place where a wimp like you can pretend to be a bully, making up for all the times somebody kicked you around. Like I said, start thinking up the excuses.
Anybody who wants to make their attacks personal can get very personal by showing up at the 9/1 game. My coordinates have been posted.
By garrett
August 12, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
Why bother talking about fifth starters when our manager is too stupid to put Andruw on the bench where he belongs. Cox’s idiocy never ceases to amaze me. Let’s face it: he’s just not that bright.
By TK
August 12, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
Can’t wait for tonight. Go Braves. Doing great so far this month. Could have been better with the broom, but still pretty great. Andruw needs to stop making excuses for his .210 BA and just go on the DL if he is hurt. I don’t think the rest of the lineup will miss him.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Anybody got tickets for the 9/1 game? And I’ll bring a body bag. I think a child’s size will do, don’t you?
DOB Why don’t you schedule your “call out” on that date? I’m sure SJA can “do” that for you, too. He won’t even work up a sweat on Tampa “Brave”. I’m sure you could handle it yourself, but we don’t want you to hurt your hunt-and-peck hand. :-)
By Wayne in Utah
August 12, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
Lew OK, since you and I have been feuding so much lately, let’s get together at a mutually close site, say St. Louis, and have a big fight!!! Please, don’t chicken out on me. It should be an interesting match, a couple of over the hill diabetics. Although, I think I might be a few years younger, so you better watch out!
:-)
Can you believe these guys? I thought most of us on here were grown men.
Talk with you later tonight!
Paladin, or any of you other old farts! If you want in on the fracas, please meet me at St. Louis between now and the end of the season!!
Now I really am off…..later guys!
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
Lew Braveheart Wayne Salty Athens Brave et al. Why don’t we leave the blog to the idiots, foul-mouths, negative-nellies and BIG Men(?) and come back when there is some intelligent life to talk to? I’m going to.
Sorry. NCBravesFan and SJA came in after I wrote my last. You two, are also invited.
Like I have explained ad-nauseam, I am here to try and blog about the braves, but seem to get personally attacked by the likes of yourself, Lew,and SJA. I am a counterpuncher. You swing at me personally, you’ll get one back right between your horned rim glasses. Form your cliques, I don’t care. Maybe you deserve each other in that ivory tower. Talk about stale….
Anybody want to talk baseball?
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
Well, I stopped in during a morning break to enjoy a few minutes of Braves baseball and found yet another stupid, juvenile brawl instead. Thanks Tampa, Caveman, et al; y’all are real impressive. Cl out.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
People may not have been pleased with Cormier’s pitching last night. I was certainly not overjoyed. But he did pitch well for the first 4 innings. He only blew up in the fifth as soon as DOB laid down the jinx on him. So I personally blame DOB for that.
But, in all seriousness, although 4 earned runs in 4 innings was not good, he kind of did do his job last night. He gave us a chance to win. Consider that in the 32 starts of the pitchers not named James, SMoltz, Hudson, and Budster this year, the BRaves had given up 6 or more runs in 22 of those 32 starts. Awful. So, he gave the team a chance in that regard.
The team had previously been 9-23 in those 32 starts of those starters. We are now 10-23. Kyle Davies was 7-10.
So before last night, the Braves had been 2-13 in the starts of the leftover pitchers, with the Braves having not won a game by any of those pitchers since Larew’s first start back in early May. The Braves had gone almost 3 months without a win by any of those starters. So, that was a positive last night.
Again, not overjoyed with Cormier’s performance. But he gave the Braves a chance to win and that is all you can really ask for out of a fifth starter - especially in a tough bandbox against the highest scoring team in the NL.
But can we grab David Wells? I certainly hope so. Anyone wanna take bets on how fast Grinch & Boomer become best drinking buddies?
52-32 in the starts of Smoltz, Hudson, James, and The Budster.
10-23 in the starts of the other guys.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Since I am no longer talking to him, would one of you please give T “Brave” my “coordinates”, too.
It is about a 2-day trip by mule out of Chattanooga. but, what the hey, I’ll get on my walker and meet him halfway.
But, give him this tip. Sit on the animal facing the chewing end. If he sits the other way one of our “denizens” is liable to shoot him and the mule, and later claim that it was the first 2ass mule he had ever seen and he shot it to have it stuffed.
By Lew
August 12, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave-Personally attacked by me? Never. I merely respond to trash thrown in my direction. You aren’t worth a personal attack. Your intellect is way below median levels for personal attacks. You’re just another boor, with damn little to recommend themselves for anything remotely intellectually challenging. As far as your Braves’ commentary-I haven’t seen much there to bother with , either. You are hardly a point of poignancy in the world of baseball analysis, either. Seems to me you’re in way over your head, here. Seems to me that your answer is “Meet me in the schoolyard at 3:15 and I’ll beat you up.” Whatever. Dude, you’re a lightweight. You have a serious need to get over yourself. Maybe you should. Schoolyard bullies usually find their match and get their @$$e$ handed to them sooner or later. Usually because their mouths outrun their brains-yours does run on, doesn’t it?
By Robert
August 12, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this
The Mets look oh-so-catchable right now
Oh if we could have the 8 games or so that Donk has given away via his stupidity
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
I’m going for lunch and a nap. Talk to some of you later and some of you never, I hope.
By Robert
August 12, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
Ok, if Wayne and Lew are gonna fight, then let’s have them do it naked
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah, Mayday Mahay will be a free agent at the end of the year. He’s making $1.2m this year. With the way he has performed I’d like to think that he will be retained for next year. While he’s 36, he is not a young man but he’s not exactly over the hill either. I’d be willing to bet he gets an extension after the season is over.
By Adirondackdave
August 12, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB - We have so many valuable players now, how about a review of the contract/control situation for all 25 guys now on the roster? Inquiring minds want to know…
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
LEW
I read your post the other night and YES you said those things but they were in the context of shipping Yates out of town. Here it is:
By Will
August 10, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this
….. Yates is total crap, i laughed back in April when Bobby kept saying he has “closers” stuff. I felt instantly sick to my stomach when i saw him coming into the game, 4 run lead or not. I am hoping for 2 out of 3 this weekend, just facing facts with the 3,4,5 guys going for the Bravos they will not be sweeping the Phils.
By Lew
August 10, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
Will-I grew concerned a week or so ago when DOB reported that Yates “No longer had confidence in himself right now”-or something pretty close to that. The last person I heard admit that was Dan Kolb. Yikes. Holy Cornelia. We know where THAT ONE ended. I’m no longer comfortable with Yates. That says way too much. No confidence in yourself and you might just as well swing Coach’s Wrecking Ball. That’s just plain scary.
IMO, that’s negative because you advanced Will postulation.In my conversation with you and Will, I stated clearly that, IMO, Yates was worth holding on to, that he had good stuff, but lacked consistency in mental approach. Nice try though! :)
By Tired of Glavine's Defense
August 12, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
Smoltz and other players attempt to speak on Glavine’s behalf to try and mitigate the Atlanta fans utter dislike of Glavine makes me respect Smoltz less. To defend Glavine and not say anthing about the HARD-Earned-FANS-DOLLARS that do pay their salaries when speaking of Glavine’s blind support and “how high” relationship with Fehr speaks volumes about a Jock’s ability to see the big picture. Smoltz on Glavine: “His stoic kind of personality may seem that he’s unapproachable and that he’s this stern guy that led the baseball players union and the strike. That to me I wish there was a way to undo so that he didn’t have to bear some of that responsibility. Because that is not an accurate assessment. I think anyone who plays with him knows what you get as a teammate and how much he cares about the game and cares about people.” John, it’s his bed, he made it, he sleeps in it. He’s greed to the core, if he cares about people, that must not have been the FANS of Atlanta or their DOLLARS, when he screwed us and the Braves from another possible world series (granted Expos were playing well), and when he left us to win 300 as a Mut. He may be your best friend, but for the love of any public relations skills you sometimes do not posess, acknowledge that the Braves fans got screwed on both of his decisions. He really should retire back up north.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
LEW
I really haven’t seen anything coming from your camp that has been enlightening
Just because you climb a hill and look out over the countryside, doesn’t mean you look down on others. Surely you must understand that there are higher peaks than yours.
As for baseball knowledge, I think I could go toe to toe with most. AND if I don’t, I’ll relish the chance to add to my DB of knowledge. I enjoy the sport, not squabbling with old farts about how superior they are. So far, you haven’t added anything to my DB. I hope you do, but so far, no.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
Sorry, Adirondack, no time for that today. Getaway day and gotta help desk do some kind of Andruw-or-Teixeira story they want to put together today, before I go out to the ballpark.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
AdirondackDave, much of the information you are looking for can be found here
You can find out about contract details but it will not tell you much about guys that are arbitration eligible.
By Lew
August 12, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave-Wonderful-You have learned the primitive art of cut and paste. I suppose you are to be commended for your skill at something. However, as to your lack of analytical skills, you are as clueless as usual-where in the aforementioned quote does it say I think he should be cut, traded, sold, waived or designated for assignment? Rhetorical question genius (That’s a question that requires no response). I said that when a pitcher loses confidnece, that it is scary and likely to end in failure. Personally, I’ve been a supporter of Yates all year. It was the comment that sent up flags. The statement said “I am no longer comfortable with Yates.” What I perhaps should have said, rather than implied, for those of you way too dense to read between the lines, was-I’m not comfortable with Yates, AS LONG AS THIS ATTITUDE PERSISTS. You really are grabbing at straws, considering Will and I went back and forth about how negative everyone has been and how much it bothered me. If you want to go toe to toe with me, welcome to the machine. However, you will really have to put a more than major spin on any theory that I’M one of the Doom and Gloomers. Idiot. Lightweight. Give it up before someone takes YOU back to school. Maybe you should have concentrated more on the classrooms than the playground. You might have learned tools to make you competitive in debate scenarios.
By Lew
August 12, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
Tampa Brave-One more thing Little Buddy, before I go watch the Marlins whip up on the Mets. You would be well advised to untwist your boxer shorts. You can ill afford any additional loss of cerebral circulation.
By Lew
August 12, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this
Tampa Brave -Yes, I freely acknowledge that there are higher peaks than myself. Unfortunately for you, you aren’t one of them.
By bruce
August 12, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this
Here is Andruw’s May 27th injury catch (third inning against Philly)[http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/media/player/mptpl.jsp?wid=555644&w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2007/mlb%21/cg/archive05/052707phiatlcg350.wmv&pid=mlbcg&gid=2007/05/27/phimlb-atlmlb-1&cid=mlb&fid=mlbcg400&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&mUrl=&type=vsub&mp=1]. Andruw stayed in the game until top of 7th when score was 11-3 Phillies. Anduw hit homer in bottom of sixth. He does seem shook-up after the catch, but it looks more like body against the wall than an elbow injury. Thanks, Bruce
By Randall
August 12, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this
Why does everyone keep hammering on about the Braves fifth starter when Buddy Carlyle has won 7 of the 10 decisions tagged to his name. You can’t judge what he’s done based on him being 30 years old. The fact is he has won in proportion as many as everyone else on the staff. How many starters have won 70 percent of there games? Yes your right when you say that the pen has peeed quite a few away for those other starters, but all of them have lost games they should have won. Buy the way the official available statistics say that Slim Wickman weighs 245 lbs., am I the only one out there who thinks this must be impossible?
By bruce
August 12, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
Sorry about that link mess-up…. here is the link to Anduw’s injury
By GSU-Lee
August 12, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
DOB, Bobby wouldn’t start Prado over Johnson tonight, would he? (I hope he wouldn’t but I wouldn’t be asking unless I thought it was possible.) KJ is tearing ii up lately, but Moyer owns us. Thought Bobby would do his usual “Oh,just wanted to give the kid a start and rest our .300, power-hitting, second baseman for a rookie.” And before you say it, I know Prado has done well pinch hitting, I just want him to remain in that role.
By GSU-Lee
August 12, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
DOB, what happened to Phil Stockman?
By bruce
August 12, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
My humble apologies…. that link was to the condensed game and not the highlight of Andruw’s catch… click on the link when that page comes up for the highlight or here’s the catch, I believe Sorry. Bruce
By Ron Roberts
August 12, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
SJA… I’ll be here. You have my e-mail address. Enjoy the trip down.
By bruce
August 12, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
And if you will allow me to add a reminder… it was the catch when Anduw looks like he is sitting on Phil’s nose and right between Phil’s eyes… here is the link to the pictureThat has to be a classic photo. Thanks, Bruce
By Bobby Cocks
August 12, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
We won’t know how lucky we’ve been till he’s gone.
Bobby Cox is the best game-to-game manager in the history of baseball. Not only that, he’s the best that will ever be. He’s the Michael Jordan of managers, and we, as Braves fans, are extremely fortunate to have him as our own.
Maybe, with the help of a Jazzy, he can manage till he’s 94, 95?
Hope so….
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this
GSU, Stockman keeps getting hurt (hamstring, etc) every time he starts to make progress. Hasn’t stayed healthy long enough to get another callup.
Would Bobby start Prado? He might, since he’s 4-for-9 with a homer off Moyer and Kelly’s been playing every day while Edgar’s out and Yune’s at SS. But I don’t think so. We’ll just have to wait a couple hours to find out.
Moyer’s “owned” the Braves? Huh?
Moyer was 1-6 in eight starts vs. the Braves before beating them on May 25, when he allowed five hits and three runs (two earned) in seven innings,
By beki
August 12, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this
Paladin,I’m back from the Barbecue Kitchen and my lunch was fried chicken, collards, mash potatoes ( no gravy ),a biscuit, and banana pudding. That place is, to me, the best place for Southern cookin’. As for TampaBrave, we will need more than six runs to beat the Phillies;it’ll be more like double digit runs that the Bravos would have to score before we will win.
By brian
August 12, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
Doing a story of Andruw or Teixeira?
Is there actually a choice? Granted a gold glove CF and one of the best defensive CF ever, but the wear and tear has to catch up with Andruw. Andruw is a power hitter who never has done much on the average and this year is hitting less than .220. Andruw is past his prime and we would get diminishing returns from AJ.
Teixeira may be less expensive than Andruw (at least would have been at the beginning of the season with the number AJ and Borass had in mind then). Teixeira is a much more complete hitter - much like Chipper Jones. He is 27 and entering his prime. Teixeira is a gold glove 1B as well.
This should not be a choice. Let Andruw walk. Go after big Tex for a 4-5 year extension
By jed
August 12, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
i was at the game in richmond last night, seats directly behind braves dugout. couldnt help but laugh looking at lillibridge. not in a dismissive way, no, but still…the guy looks like he’s about 12. no exaggeration. (pete orr was playing 2b and looked like a giant standing next to him, but i’m not just talking about his size…he’s tiny, yes…but his face is extremely young-looking as well.) still, he’s talented…hitting .310 and a good fielder. he’s dead serious and intense out there too, which is nice to see. i see him at 2b more than SS in the majors….
tanyon sturtze pitched the 1st inning, gave up a run, and loaded the bases before getting out of it. i dont recall what kind of a pitcher he was w/the yankees, but he had no velocity to speak of last night. only pitched one inning, then boyer came on. boyer pitched well.
brayan pena is still hitting .315 —why’s he in richmond still?
any word on david wells? do braves have interest? why does cox absolutely refuse to consider villareal as a possible 5th starter?
By BG
August 12, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
Randall —
When people complain about #5 starters, Buddy isn’t included since he has been “promoted” to #3 o4 #4. Smoltz, Hudson, James, Carlyle, and ????.
By jbutler
August 12, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
Carolina Lady…I’m w/you. I was dropping into chat a quick minute before tending to family things for the day…Instead - It looks like the kids are back in the sandbox.
Have a great day CL. Catch up w/the rest of you later.
By Lee
August 12, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
DOB…oh….I thought we were one of those teams that never beat Moyer in is 50 year career….coulda sworn I remembered reading that, oh well. Next time I will make sure on stats.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
beki, your lunch sounds delicious! I’m jealous. I could eat that kind of food just about every day and I’d never get tired of it. Course, I’d be about 300 lbs. too!
TampaBrave At the risk of getting drawn into the middle of this quarrel between you and Lew I feel that I should say something. I think you are fairly new here and may not have been around long enough to know who the really negative bloggers are, and believe me, there are plenty. I can tell you that Lew is NOT a fairweather fan, nor is he a Chicken Little, Negative Nelly-type either. The following is a post that Lew made yesterday at 2:55 pm. I edited the first portion of the paragraph out because it was dealing with an unrelated issue:
Braves Dave-By all means, Dude, discuss away. Talk all you want about the Braves problems. We The Optimists) have no problem with the discussion of reality. However, you, N8 and Coach (yes, there are others) just kick the dead equine well past all hope of resuscitation or sanity. All you usually spout is rampant negativity-post after post, after post. Good God-I even had someone the other day tell me my optimism was annoying. ???????????? If you can’t say something worthwhile after venting your spleen for 18 successive posts, maybe it’s time to talk about music or BBQ for a while. Go drink some sweet tea and try to get a better perspective. Go drink a beer or indulge in the intoxicant of your own choosing. The season has hardly been all bad. Got to see some great baseball, didn’t you? Got to see some HR’s? Some great pitching? Some great defense? Why are you complaining? They are playing tonight. All is well with the world. If they lose this year, then they’ll [play starting in February of 08. I’ll be there, too.
Say what you want about Lew but you have to see that he is one of the more optimistic bloggers here.
By Ron Roberts
August 12, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
Oliver Perez isn’t looking so good, today, either for the Mets.
Marlines & Mets, 4-4 after 3 in Shea.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
beki Just returned after my mid-day break and read your report on your meal at the BK. You’re cruel. :-) Have a great day; you’ve already had a great meal!
By LVChad
August 12, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Mets and Marlins going back and forth. Marlins take 1-0 lead, Mets take 3-1 lead, Marlins re-take the lead 4-3 and Mets tie it up 4-4.
Mets & Marlins 4-4 after 3 innings.
By MegaBravesFan
August 12, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070811&contentid=2142744&vkey=newstex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex
This is good news for Salty.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
I predict that if the Marlins beat the Muts, that the Braves crush the Phoolies. If the Marlins don’t beat the Muts, I predict that the Braves still crush the Phoolies. Anyone want to argue?
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Paladin, thank you for your good wishes. Appreciated.
By Bob
August 12, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts,
Oliver Perez hasn’t looked good since the All Star game. In fact the Mets pitching as a whole has been pretty ugly lately. Also, LoDuca is now out at least 2 weeks with a hammy. Mets are scuffling now. Drooler must be in misery. I really feel for him. Not.
By PhillyGirl
August 12, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
We’ve got Grandpappy Moyer goin’ tonight!
I would be more optimistic, because he’s been pretty solid this year. But your boy Buddy seems to be legit.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
CL Yes ma’am, and those wishes were very sincere and I bet they are from all of us. We need you!
By journalist jimmy smith
August 12, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
whoa! everybody wants to fight. braves fans fighting braves fans. not good.
jimmy smith also wishes to fight. journalist will take on all comers.
jimmy smith can be found at turner field (a rather small journalist built low to the ground and with flippers). easy to spot. wearing a braves cap.
somebody is going to get their bottom kicked in a fighting frenzy by this journalist.
now, who wishes to accept this challenge? had your shots?
and where is today’s mark davis article? nothing new today from mark davis? should moonlight a little baseball coverage … “wicky stood there like a bloated giraffe, puffed beyond seeming dignity, preening, pawing, and with bulging chartreuse eyes, all the while drizzling at the mouth a chaw of indifference. wicky rocked eerily like a mis-aligned brumby rocker, then delivered a cheese laden ball to the wobbly-legged batter awaiting the elusive pitch at the dirt encrusted plate.”
By MegaBravesFan
August 12, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
Also, their backup catcher just went down with a bad back. No telling how bad it it.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Notice that I didn’t call the Marlins any derogatory nickname. My next-favorite team is whoever is playing the Muts.
By TexasBrave
August 12, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
I hope Bobby doesn’t go back to batting AJ 5th after his little outbreak last night. It is probably an aboration and is not likely to repeat itself in the near future.
I was forced to view the game watching MLB Gameday. I don’t know how accurate the pitching chart is, but if it is halfway accurate the two pitches AJ hit were on the inner half of the plate. AJ has shown that he cannot hit anything on the outer half of the plate. I am wondering why he can’t take until he gets a pitch on the inner half or has two strikes. He is only hurting himself more by continuely swinging at outside pitches.
Another question for those in the know. Why is it some hitting coaches teach hitters to release the top hand as they follow through? I have always had personal success hitting and teaching holding on with both hands with the follow through. It seems to me that when AJ is in pain is when he misses a pitch and lets go with the top hand thus putting strain or even hyperextending his left elbow.
If I am wrong in this assumption I would love to get some “positive” feedback.
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Now, jimmy smith! “a rather small journalist built low to the ground and with flippers” ?? The only way somebody would get Baby Seal to fight is if they tried to take his fish! :-))
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this
Mr. Scribe :-), as usual.
If anyone sees Kermit, tell him one of my buddies(that gets out and doesn’t sit here pitifully blogging all day)said his picture in on the Amber alert over on the big highway.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 12, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
MegaBravesFan , have you taken a look at the Rangers roster ? It’s a f*ing disaster. three catchers , two designated hitters , just three infielders and five outfielders. Who the hell is running that Circus ?
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
I’m vibeing some belated optimism today over last night’s win.My Angst over bullpen use along with a few saint Paulies girls (sadly I’m talking beverages)ruled the night.Ok new day,a win tonight makes this a great week.Who wouldn’t want to sweep both series?A fifth strait series win, two against our division foes is about as good as we can reasonably ask for though.Just keep grinding guys.—-GO BRAVES !!!
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
Afternoon lads and lasses…
Chris Klob Thanks for the shark warning Chris! Back at home in TN, but would heartily endorse your stomping grounds any time for a relaxing times with great folks.
Gang, we gained a game last night in the division, the Pads lost. Can’t ask for more than that. Soriano threw some wicked sliders last night, some of the best I have seen from him in a while, it’s just the one that flattened out that got hammered by Rowand. That’s the luck he has at the moment in that the mistakes he’s throwing are getting plastered pretty consistently.
I was a bit concerned in the ninth because Wick was up quite a bit, however he got the job done and I feel like much of that is from lack of work lately due to his forearm problems.
Really impressed by Mahay last night, who came in with first and third with nobody out and shut the door. I think he’s going to be a key member of the bully along with Moylan and Wick down the stretch.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
TexasBrave In my limited, and non-professional observation, I see many more “hurt” players releasing one hand than I do “sound” players. And when you look at films of the “great” hitters, Williams, Musial, Aaron and Ruth, you don’t see them releasing a hand. I don’t know if that qualifies as “positive feedback”, but it’s the best I can do.
By ppaddy123
August 12, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
I didn’t get to see last nights game where Andruw got his two hits. But if Bobby moves that clown in the line up; he’s crazy. Put him in the eight hole and keep kelly and Escobar in the seven spot. Why take the bat out of their hands?
I know he’s hurt, blah blah blah, but he hasn’t hit since day one. He’s not a clutch hitter! He’s a rally killer.
By brian
August 12, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
All in all Cormier did not do nearly as bad as his numbers suggest. He did well for 4 innings. Of course things came unglued in the 5th but it was at the Phillies home ballpark where they are tough.
Big game tonight. If the Braves go 4-2 on this road trip that has to be considered a big success
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
TexasBrave and the only good golfer that I ever saw release a hand was the recent Gary Player, and he is in his dotage, with a bad back. A golfer knows that the swing begins at address and ends at the completion of the follow-through. And if it is not “perfect” throughout, you will not like what happens at impact.
By Bob
August 12, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
Mets up 5-4 in second on Alou’s second homer of the game.
By brian
August 12, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
DOB -
How many CD’s do you own?
What are your top 5 favorites?
By LVChad
August 12, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
Alou just went deep for the second time in the game. Mets 5-4 after 6. 5 runs on 4 hits for the Mets. All of the runs scoring courtesy of the long ball.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this
Will —- Yates does have good stuff,at least the physical part.He’s yet to prove he has the make-up to pull it together though.At this time it doesn’t look good does it ?
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 12, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
For all the Johnny Cash fans, WPBA(Channel 30) is running Johnny Cash, a Man and his vision. Part 2 now, and part one at 4:30…don’t ask me why they are in this order. Lots of clips from TV show with guests like Charley Pride, Marty Robbins, and many more!
By Bob
August 12, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
Make that 5-4 Mets in SEVENTH, not second.
By TexasBrave
August 12, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
After an exhaustive search and some tips from interested parties, TexasBrave finially caught up with the infamous Kermit the Frog and his mistress Miss Piggy in a remote location along the Deleware river. TexasBrave first crept up to the pig while she rooted for truffles and hogged tied and gagged her with an apple. Kermit was down by the bank of the river frolicking and singing “Sunsine and Rainbows”. TexasBrave grabbed said frog by his scrawny next and before he peeled the frog alive decided to give Kermy one last word.
Kermit explained that it was all a big misunderstanding and that he seriously regretted his actions towards The Fly and his now digested clone. Kermit begged TexasBrave to have a heart and to spare his life so that he may go about spreading cheer among children and reporting on his beloved Braves. Having a moment of weakness, TexasBrave made Kermit swear that he would no longer bother The Fly knowing full well how much TexasBrave loves frog legs.
TexasBrave is happy to report that The Fly can now come out of hiding. TexasBrave, among others will be looking forward to The Flys reports on the happenings within the Braves.
Long Live The Fly!!!
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 12, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
No matter what happens in the Mets game today , they have serious injury and roster issues. With both La Duca and Castro hurt they will have to call up Sandy Alomar jr. and he ain’t on the 40 man which already stands at 42 players. They are going lose somebody either in waivers or the 60 day DL. Better them than us.
By Chop Chop
August 12, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Cormier didn’t pitch well last night. He absolutely fell apart early in the game. That’s the kind of crap that Kyle Davies, Redman, Reyes and every other fifth starter has done all year.
The bullpen was the big positive last night, especially Ron Mahay. He was The Man on the mound last night and made the Phils look foolish after Cormier imploded. Yeah, Soriano gave up his obligatory homer, but Wickman got a save on the road. We haven’t been able to count on that this year.
Here’s hoping Buddy can give us a solid six innings tonight and the bats can get us a lead. Maybe the bullpen can turn the trick two nights in a row. Wouldn’t that be something?
By Braves Fan 79
August 12, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
I think Glavine would be a great addition to the back end of our staff next year (common are we REALLY gonna rely on hampton again?) I for one would welcome him back and i wish him the best. Except when hes playing for the mets of course. I thought cormier would do a decent job after hearing of his success in the minors and as i told everyone on here before (he should of got jojo’s last start)….hes NO redmen!
Prado has impressed me and i shure as hell hope he makes the playoff roster over woodcrap! Id prettymuch rather see anyone at bat (pitchers included) than woodcrap. Go Braves! Wildcard or Division it dosent matter cause were going to the world series either way! Go Braves!!
By TexasBrave
August 12, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this
Paladin - We see major league hitters do it a lot and now after watching the Little League World Series last night, I see that it is being taught to youngsters as well. I asked because I can’t see how releasing the top hand could help you.
DOB - I would be interesting to hear what you and/or Terry Pendelton thinks about this.
By Mo in the boonies
August 12, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
I love this team, but something that bothers me is, why do they almost always go to first for the out, and let a man run into home without a challenge. Seems to me the important out should be the leading runner.
Don’t wish to be a venom-spewer, but leaving the bases loaded is nothing new for the Braves. A couple years ago after witnessing many times the bases loaded scenario, I said to my spousal unit that the bases loaded seems to be the “kiss of death” to the Braves. Now we just groan and say, oh, no, not the kiss of death!
Couldn’t see the game last night in my area, but appreciate the game comments on here to keep me up to snuff. Will be watching on ESPN, tonight, but cussing out M&M through out the game. :>(
By MegaBravesFan
August 12, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Coach I wasn’t saying that they had a good line up. I was just saying it is good that Salty will get more playing time.
By TexasBrave
August 12, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
I wish some would cut Lance some slack. He has been out of the rotation and not in a starting pitchers groove. Knowing that I only expected him to give us 5 good innings. He almost did against a hot hitting team in their own balpark. Give him a chance and I think he will suprise some people once he is allowed to get into a normal starting rotational groove.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
Mo in the boonies
why do they almost always go to first for the out, and let a man run into home without a challenge. Seems to me the important out should be the leading runner.
It depends on the situation. When the team playing defense has a decent lead they are often willing to “trade” a run for an out. It’s much safer to get the sure easier out at first than try to get a man at home, especially if it’s not a force play because the catcher has to not only catch the ball cleanly but tag the runner out. If the play at home is going to be close, the catcher may not have time to properly make the catch AND tag the runner AND defend his body. Remember, the runner from third will make it home faster than the batter will make it to first.
By Bob
August 12, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
Agree TexasBrave,
He was going against one of the best hitting teams in MLB in their own bandbox park. I certainly think he deserves another shot or two. If he does not cut it, the only viable option I see is Oscar. Lets hope we can keep him in the pen because Lance is working out.
By Mets rule. You drool.
August 12, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! 7-4 Amazins!! Del-gahd-it!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahaha!!!!!!
Better not lose tonight or it’s back to 3.5 back…
And back to 3rd place. Hahahahhaahhaha!!!!!!
Let’s go Mets!
By Dreamscape
August 12, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
Come on…Cormier has been in a regular starting pitching groove or whatever with the Richmond Braves.
You can’t teach stuff and Cormier has none. Villy to the rotation, Paronto to the pen, and Cormier back to Richmond. Make it happen, Bobby.
By Bob
August 12, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
Unless Wagner has another meltdown, Mets looking to win this one leading 7-4 bottom of the 8th. Padres have already won. Bravos need to keep pace tonight.
By Ed Glennon
August 12, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
We certainly do get excited about below average pitchers. I would love to see Chip Carey do a play by play for a Bob Gibson pitched game. He would say stuff like: He is pitching deep in the fifth inning for the 56th straight time. He has electric stuff. What an innings eater. I think he will win over 8 games by the All-Star break. There is no one warming up in the bullpen. I could go on but you can see what kind of era we are in.
By ppaddy123
August 12, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
Drooler your boys have a 2-4 homestand. I think you should shut you pie hole and be glad you did that good. We should have taken three from your Mutts.
By Dreamscape
August 12, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this
Wow…the Mets will actually salvage a game from the Marlins. Whatever will the Braves do when the Mets can win 1 of 3 from Florida…at home.
Some people…
By SD Braves
August 12, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
Mets Fool,
How predictable. Mets lose three straight, no word. They finally get a possible win and you are here running at the mouth again. That is why you have ZERO credibility and fans of teams get a bad name.
By LVChad
August 12, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
Look who’s back. It’s the worst kind of fan a team could have. Only shows up when his team wins or the Braves lose. Sad….very sad. I guess the Mets and him deserve each other.
By Columbus Buckeye
August 12, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
“By Mets rule. You drool.
August 12, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! 7-4 Amazins!! Del-gahd-it!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahaha!!!!!!
Better not lose tonight or it’s back to 3.5 back…
And back to 3rd place. Hahahahhaahhaha!!!!!!
Let’s go Mets!”
Classy post. Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t the Mutts lost their last 2 series? I wouldn’t be talking smack, I’d probably be spending this beautiful Sunday afternoon praying for their sorry @$$es not to choke……..
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
Wasn’t the one handed thing on the swing something preached by Charley Lau?
I could be wrong about that but I thought that was what he did with Wade Boggs and people have been copying his hitting philosophy ever since.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
Now that TexasBrave has captured and scared the frog eggs out of Kermit, this is anti-climatic, but…
My buddy(he is sort of like the Tom Poston role in Newheart) admits that wasn’t a Amber Alert he saw. There was a billboard close to the big highway(advertising Budweiser) and he mistook that for an Amber Alert.
Hey, it happens. Out here in the sticks we still have some guy that rides his horse down the street hollering, “The British are Coming”.
I apologize for any concern I may have caused you, or Kermit.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Long Live The Fly!
By Bob
August 12, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
The Drooler must be off of his time out. You have to feel a bit sorry for No Chop Zone. How would you like to be the daddy of the Drooler?
By Ed Glennon
August 12, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
I just read that Andruw said it hurts when he swings and misses. Boy he must really hurt a lot.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
I wonder who did the math for the drooler so that he knew how many games the Braves would be back if we lose; and it ain’t going to happen you retarded retard. We are right on the Muts bumper blowing our horn for you bunch of has-beens to pull over and let us past.
By Lew
August 12, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this
Esteemed Journalist-You, sir, have done it yet again. “The Chaw of Indifference.” Oh, The Imagery!!It will go down in the annals of blog terminology, to sit in the Hall O Fame along side of “Lower than a Whitesnake” and “Clary.” Whatever happened to 35, anyway?
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
If Andruw only knew how much it hurts us, when he swings and misses; or “hits” one of his patented weak-sisters for a sure double play and rally killer.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
ChrisKlob while it is slow. When I download Firefox will it become my home page or will I have to go into it and type the AJC address and all that stuffola each time? An inquiring and stoopid mind wants to know.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 12, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this
thanks, lew, but this journalist has not been this journalist’s self of late.
this city is losing its best giraffes and no one is taking action to remedy this giraffe-loss situation. perhaps there will be a crusader identified. perhaps.
and now, to ranger. ranger’s use of the word “angst” is a first for this blog. though not a multi-syllable word, angst is a cut-above some more typically found blog words. polonius would be proud (laertes, too).
words like moron, idiot, “hippocrite” (one of journalist’s favorites), pole, poll, Pole, pivotal, clary, and lest journalist say, intellectuel are more the run of this blog. a kind word about ranger’s post is being forwarded to lew for wurlitzer consideration. imagine, angst! journalist has did all journalist can do for now. back later.
By Michael Procton
August 12, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB…remember when you mocked those of us who said we should sign JC Romero??? How do you feel about him now? Would have been a bit cheaper than any of the guys we traded for, huh?
By Kermit
August 12, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
Texas Brave, you no good Boba Fett bounty hunter, here’s a warning: my graceless lady is contemplating pressing charges on you for your vicious and vile apple gagging attack on her. After all, she was not a fugitive. Twas me on the lam. She was an innocent, just standing by her man like any good southern woman would. She did not deserve that. You have not heard the last of the frog and the pig.
As for the clone, can one be charged for murdering a clone? Is a clone of a fly a fly as well or just a clone of a fly? It has life does it not? A life that a frog can take away? Charges may still be pending and the frog may be on the run from the law again soon.
Paladin you caused great concern for the frog when you spoke of Amber Alerts. The frog might be a fly killer or clone of a fly killer or just a killer period but the frog is certainly not a child abductor worthy of an Amber Alert. America’s Most Wanted maybe but not an Amber Alert. Just like the Ol’ Dirty B******* said about the Wu-Tang Clan, Kermy is for the children.
Kermy is headed over to the ballpark now with two of his best buds to root on Buddy Carlyle. In honor of the Budster, Kermy will be the Bud, my little nephew Robin will he be the Wise, my best bud Michigan J. Frog will be the Er. We’ll be annoying everyone tonight at the game with our little routine, getting loudly booed by Philly fans (not hard to do but fun anyway). Since Kermy is clearly a lover of pigs, he’ll be in hog heaven with all the Philly women on display tonight.
BH
By ncscoots
August 12, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
Ah, yes, after a long, hot August day, there’s nothing more refreshing than a crisp, cool Budster…the King of Pitchers. But, remember…please pitch responsibly.
You can’t even hope to contain him.
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
OK, it’s a pleasant and slow Sunday afternoon - lots of talk of frogs - so here goes:
Two frogs fell into a can of cream,
Or so I’ve heard it told.
The sides of the can were shiny and steep,
The cream was deep and cold.
“Oh, what’s the use?” said Number One,
`Tis fate, no help’s around.
Good - bye, my friend! Good - bye, sad world!”
And weeping still, he drowned.
But Number Two, of sterner stuff,
Dog paddled in surprise.
The while he wiped his creamy face,
And dried his creamy eyes,
“I’ll swim awhile, at least,” he said,
Or so it has been said,
“It really wouldn’t help the world
If one more frog was dead.”
An hour or two he kicked and swam,
Not once he stopped to mutter,
But kicked and swam, and swam and kicked,
Then hopped out, via butter. -Anonymous
Time to go cook. Back later!
By Chop Chop
August 12, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
journalist, Chop Chop used the word “angst” combined with the word “ridden” in his 11:40 p.m. post last night. Chop Chop would appreciate Wurlitzer consideration. Chop Chop will shamelessly promote himself in order to receive a wonderful picture of The Lemmer achieving postseason glory. Chop Chop knows no shame, does Chop Chop? Not if The Lemmer is hanging in the balance.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
I propose one moments silence to honor the passing of one of our giraffes. And I want to see some angst out of you; what if this is the work of a serial giraffe killer? You hippocrites!
And as an aside: Can you imagine making a coffin for one of those creatures/ Much easier to make one for a small seal. NOT!! that I would want us to have the need to do that!
By Mets rule. You drool.
August 12, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
10-4. The giant has woken up and is ready to start dealing with the midgets. Be advised! Here come the Amazin’s.
Prediction - You will be down by at least 6 by this time next week. Remember. 6!!!!! Hahahahhaha! STB!
At least you can feel good about this a former Brave got the win for us. Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
By ncscoots
August 12, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
jjs, you have cut me to the quick, sir. I have used “angst” my very own self on this very forum. That you did not see this usage (or simply chose to ignore it) puts me in rather a foul and belligerent mood. So, in keeping with the blog’s recent temper, consider yourself glove-slapped, sir. Only a duel will suffice to wipe this stain from my honor. You, sir, may have the choice of weapons…excepting giraffes.
And, oh, yeah, your second cannot be Mark Davis. :-)
By Robert
August 12, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this
someone said “It’s sure hard to write this Braves team off as being “not of World Series caliber” if you consider the team that won last year and what they did in the second half of the season.
It only takes three solid weeks once you are in the tournament to win, and more times than not “the best team on paper” doesn’t win. The team that wants it the most… that’s the team to look out for.”
It takes something other than three solid weeks to win a WS. It takes not having a moron as your manager. (unless of course your team is just loaded for bear and any team you face that is even close to you in talent ALSO has a moron as manaser.
And if you wanna talk about the team wanting it most being the one that wins it, then you can again eliminate the Braves. Their goal is to make the playoffs. Donk has them brainwashed into believing his bs that it’s all a crapshoot from there, so they dont want anything out of the postseason other than getting there.
They may say it hurts when they lose. And it likely does to a degree.
But the only Brave, in 17 years, who has come close to showing that it REALLY hurt - that he really wanted something he didnt get, is Smoltzie
And by Donk’s philosophy, Smoltzie was a troublemaker for trying to motivate the team earlier this year
A laconic team managed by an idiot.
The Braves might make the playoffs.
If they do, they will have ZERO chance of winning the World Series, unless Cox takes over managing the opposing team.
Before you argue with me this, remember that Mike Hargrove is no longer managing.
By Jobu
August 12, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
One thing I noticed as I was checking out some box scores is how there are a ton of good setup guys just getting bombed right now since the all-star break. Its probably a combination of hitters warming up as the season goes along and pitchers fatiguing, but its definitely interesting. I wonder if a lot of it also has to do with other teams scouting opposing ace relievers so much that hitters have made adjustments while also allowing some other relievers to kind of emerge under the radar (i.e. Moylan, Villareal) so to speak. Here are just a few that stood out, but I’m sure there are quite a few more.
Pat Neshek Pre All-Star: 42.1 ip, 1.70 era, 31 baserunners allowed Post All-Star: 12.2 ip, 4.26 era, 18 baserunners allowed
Scot Shields Pre All-Star: 47.2 ip, 1.70 era, 42 baserunners allowed Post All-Star: 12.1 ip, 7.30 era, 26 baserunners allowed
Eric Gagne Pre All-Star: 27.1 ip, 1.32 era, 26 baserunners allowed Post All-Star: 9.2 ip, 10.24 era, 20 baserunners allowed
Rafael Soriano Pre All-Star: 38.2 ip, 2.79 era, 32 baserunners allowed Post All-Star: 13 ip, 6.92 era, 18 baserunners allowed
By Bob
August 12, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
The drooler is making predictions again. Didn’t we get a similar one about a week ago? Well, that is surely the kiss of death for the Mets. He is the only child I know whose predicting skills are worse than Lee Corso. Looks like the Mets miss the playoffs this year.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
To follow along with the general thread: Drooler is the spawn of a frog and a salamander. Everyone says he looks just like his mother.
By Bob
August 12, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
Robert, Why should we argue with you? You are all knowing and certainly bound for the Hall of Fame as the most enlightened critic in the game.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB…remember when you mocked those of us who said we should sign JC Romero??? How do you feel about him now? Would have been a bit cheaper than any of the guys we traded for, huh?
DOB is sitting in his hotel room right now with tears streaming down his face, hair unkempt, a gun in his mouth, finger on the trigger, playing one of his favorite sad, depressing songs, wondering how he could have been so wrong about JC Romero. All of my wonderful baseball insights mean nothing to anyone now that I missed out on freaking JC Romero. Oh, woe is me! And woe to JC Romero! And just as he is about to pull the trigger, DOB laughs at himself and says WTF? It’s JC friggin’ Romero. What are these clowns friggin’ kiddin’ me? Is Peter Gammons sitting in his hotel room right now having fatal thoughts of suicide because his beloved Red Sox let Romero go? Oh man homie, my mind is playing tricks on me. Gotta stop letting these clowns convince me that Romero is the difference maker in the pennant chase. Time to get out to the park and do my job.
By ncscoots
August 12, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
Oh, gosh, I just realized that we have on tap tonight a baseball match chock-full of angst-ridden pivotality! Holy Cornelia, yikes, and jeepers!
Otherwise known as “the rubber game”. The Budster Rules.
By TampaBrave
August 12, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this
Andruw,
If if hurts to miss. Don’t miss. Sounds like a plan. Now you have incentive to keep your head down on the ball.
Bad news, Mets leave Shea Jones Stadium to play Pitt and Wash. Wish they could play em all at SJS.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
Bob The drooler is a good predictor. He says, “Here come the Muts”—right pass us and the Phoolies.
By Kermit
August 12, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this
Who would have thunk it? Carolina Lady frightens the daylights out of this frog with that last post. Sadistic with a smile is she. No longer on the run from the law. Now just on the run from the Carolina Lady.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this
angst-ridden pivotality
Scoots You wordsmith you! I tried and tried to work “pivotal” into my muddled mess. I have no vote or nomination authority, but if I did…:-)
By Yogi Berra
August 12, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this
I’ve been telling Cox for years to get Andruw some insurance ‘cause If you get hurt and miss work, it won’t hurt to miss work. But they never got him that insurance. Thus he never takes a day off. If y’all get him some insurance, he’ll take the day(s) off you are looking for. I wish Cox & Andruw would listen to ole Yogi. Chipper certainly does.
BH
By Mathew
August 12, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
Prado is starting.
Unreal.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this
I’m not filing a story tonight. Couldn’t bring myself to leave my hotel room after the shame of the entire J.C. Romero situation. (By the way, I honestly don’t remember mocking anyone about J.C., but I’ll assume you’re not fibbing and that I did. So I’ll just have to try to live with it.)
Anyway…
As some suspected, PRADO is hitting 8th, and yes, Bobby did take notice of his 4-for-9 with a homer vs. Moyer. The numbers influenced him, also said wanted to get the kid in a game and give Kelly a rest, in part because of sore elbow (don’t panic, it’s been a litle sore most of the year and isn’t a problem).
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this
I have no vote or nomination authority
Paladin While they have not yet bestowed nomination authority upon you just yet, they have granted you nominal authority to placate you.
By MS
August 12, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
Looks like Kelly’s sittin and Prado’s in the eight hole. Guess I’m not too upset after seeing that stat from DOB about Prado off Moyer, 4-9 w/ a homer. C’mon Buddy!
Here’s the lineup: Atlanta Y. Escobar ss M. Diaz lf C. Jones 3b M. Teixeira 1b J. Francoeur rf A. Jones cf B. McCann c M. Prado 2b B. Carlyle p
Philadelphia J. Rollins ss T. Iguchi 2b P. Burrell lf R. Howard 1b A. Rowand cf J. Werth rf
C. Ruiz c A. Nunez 3b
J. Moyer p
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this
FYI It Is impossible to get an IP address from someone sending someone else an Email!!! What a Joke!!! Do you guys remember the record companies having such a difficult time getting the Ip address’ of ppl who download music illegaly? There are ways of course finding someones email address BUT Email is not one of those ways!
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this
Well, I’m off to dinner. Wish it could be some of those vittles beki told us about earlier. But, I will have to settle for scrambled eggs, country ham, biscuits with honey and butter and 2 cups of Luziane coffee(served half & half, N’awlins style). Then, at least a bottle of red vino so I can get to sleep with all that caffeine in me. C’yah later.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this
Braveheart I will clasp my “nominal authority” to my abdominal cavity, and cherish it always. I still use my thumb to placate myself.
By Eric from MO
August 12, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this
Mets Drooler when was the last time one of your predictions were right?
By brian
August 12, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this
Sorry to say DOB
you did pick on someone for suggesting that the Braves pick up JC Romero
(not me)
but it was not just you - many of the regulars questioned the sanity of that blogger
By Kermit
August 12, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Serbok, Serbok, Serbok I am sure if my buddy The Fly were here right now, he would have a certain movie for you to watch tonight instead of the game. It was a certain movie featuring Robert Redford and Paul Newman. It won 7 Villareals. As for the name of the movie, The Fly’s best buds - The Mosquito and The Bee - are well known for how much their movie titles hurt people when they attack. Kermy & The Fly believed if you watched that movie, you would reach full understanding and appreciation and stop questioning things so much. ;-(
BH
By Chop Chop
August 12, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this
Tried slitting my wrists with a J.C. Romero baseball card. I’m still here. Blame it on my weak angstitution.
You know what? Good thing we didn’t get Gagne. That man is getting killed since he went to the Red Sox. Could it be his arm again? No freakin’ way. No way at all.
By Ron Roberts
August 12, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this
Haha. Don’t remember if it was you or not, DO’B, but I do remember one or more folks floating the idea of claiming him when the Red Sox let him loose last season. The notion was met with sarcastic disapproval. Don’t remember if it was from the blogmaster or the denizens.
In any event, if he was a gamble, he sure looks like a good one for the Phillies - and boy do they need one in that bullpen.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
Braveheart, Scoots, those were funny postings, my friends.
By Mathew
August 12, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
9 at bats is not a sample size. When predicting future performance, always bet on talent.
Johnson needs to be starting tonight. Horrible decision by Bobby.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this
To the question of whether this team can contend if they make the post season.Offensively it is put together to contend against the better pitchers.Many of the top hitters on past teams Javy,Andres,etc were mistake pitch hitters who could often be pitched to or around by the top guys.This team has two of the best switch hitters ever.They are loaded from top to bottom with guys who can handle a wide range of pitches and they generally work the count better than in past years.I’ve said before if we’d had two more hitters like Chipper in the lineup over the past decade and a half we’d have three or four titles now.Well there’s only one Hoss but Johnson,Edgar,Tex ,McCann and now Frenchy all know how to work an at bat.If Smoltz and Hudson are healthy and rested and the pen comes together this team has a real chance against any team in either league.
By Stark
August 12, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this
It was probly KC he was pickin on since he usually is good w/ providing stats.
I doubt Prado will do anything substantial tonight, just a hunch.
By Kermit
August 12, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this
Tried slitting my wrists with a J.C. Romero baseball card. I’m still here. Blame it on my weak angstitution.
Can’t stop laughing over that one Chop Chop. Well Done!
By Ron Roberts
August 12, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this
Serbok, I’m not internet wiz, but I think you’re right. Webmasters can obtain IP addresses of those viewing their sites (and block them, as well), but folks getting emails from other folks don’t get the sender’s IP address with their emails, last I checked.
More bloviated excess from those we’d expect it from.
By Bob, Journalist
August 12, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
Serbok,
Do you guys remember the record companies having such a difficult time getting the IP address of ppl who download music illegally?
Why would that be? I’ve never used a web server that didn’t capture the IP address as part of its environmental variables … and the header information captured by the mail server includes tracking information as well.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this
Duly noted, Matthew. Does that mean you play your regulars all 162 games, since they’re more talented than the backups? Just curious.
By Chase
August 12, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
MUTS DROOL..
You are a pathetic waste of space!
I think you need to keep your mouth shut and stop making predicitions because your last one was and I quote “The Mets are gonna sweep the guppies and the Braves are gonna get swept by the Filthies… the Braves will be 6.5 GB by Monday”
Nice prediction loser… We don’t hear anything from you for 3 days while your team gets it HANDED TO THEM and now all of a sudden you win 1 game against the Fish and you’re talking trash!
Just sad really!
By joebrave
August 12, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this
Mutts fool and that you are A big@ssed FOOL!!!This season ain’t nowhere close to being over…
But hey I hear you peckerchompin butt turds are like the fly in the ointment…
Always hangin around an animals @ss!!!!!! What an Ignorant sumbitch you are!!!
By jbutler
August 12, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this
So- I just looked up on the Braves website, checking out game time to see if we were going to be around. I take a quick glance in the left corner, and the powers that be put in a voting box for us minions to give our wildly important opinion about who the MVP for July is. The usual suspects are there: Chipper, Frenchy, KJ…and of course!!!! Andruw!!! Maybe he needs a big pat on the back for hitting above .200!!!
Did Scott Boras infiltrate the website? Honestly.
By Steve
August 12, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this
I was just checking the schedules of the wild card contenders in the NL West. And my initial evaluation of them is that each of those teams will have a very hard row to how. I thought their schedules were brutal.
I’ve never been a fan of the Wild Card because it usually means that really good or great teams are never in a meaningful pennant race because if a really good or great team loses their division, such good or great team will undoubtedly be a lock for the Wild Card by a wide margin anyway. Thus nothing is at stake if such team loses the division race.
In other words, the type of incredible pennant race between great teams as took place in 1994 between the Braves and the Giants could never happen in the Wild Card age. That year the Braves won 104 games and the Giants won 103 games.
So to the extent that there are meaningful pennant races that go down to the wire, they are during years when it’s teams marginally good or mediocre in terms of their won-loss record, as appears to be the case this year.
Also with regard to the race for the Wild Card — it’s hard to figure out who you’re even supposed to root for on any given night among the games the contenders are involved in.
By Tomas
August 12, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this
Hi DOB,
DOB have you heard an update on Renteria, is he getting better, will he be back after his time on the DL or will have to wait more.
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
Kermit, you didn’t understand! The 2nd frog didn’t give up and was smart; by continually kicking he churned the cream into butter and was then able to hop out. sigh…..
By Mathew
August 12, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
DOB,
You bring up a fair point, but my response is look at the amount of time Frenchy, Chipper, Renty, and AJ get off when they are healthy versus Johnson. I do not believe in resting your starting 2b against a team you are fighting for the playoffs with. Regulars usually get days off against lesser opponents on random Sunday afternoon or wed night games, not Sunday night against the Phillies.
I think you would admit that Bobby is playing a hunch here. He is certainly entitled to play that hunch. I am a big fan of Bobby. I just would not have sat Kelly bin the same situation.
By AthensBrave
August 12, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this
Ravich Report:
Karl Ravich just made this comment on baseball tonight talking to Joe Morgan,
“so, you still got the mets in nl east. bet you had tiger woods today as well.”
um….is he comparing the mets to tiger woods? thats like comparing filet mignon and flank steak
karl is a serious a-hole
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this
Who’d have thunk it: No major league reliever has allowed more homers than Rafael Soriano (11), and Cincinnati’s Todd Coffey (11) is the only other reliever in either league to allow more than nine before today.
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this
BH, scoots, chopchop, you guys have written some great material!! Makes for a terrific blog! Thanks!!
By Steve
August 12, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this
Unless Johnson’s sore elbow is more substantial than is being let on, I greatly disagree with the decision to start Prado over Johnson tonight. I think it’s just outright dumb. Johnson has the day off tomorrow to rest.
Even if Prado hits 4 home runs, I’ll still think it was a dumb decision. It’s not May. We’re still behind in a race for the last playoff slot, a race that involves a lot of contenders, including the team we’re playing tonight. So it’s not the time to experiment. Every game is critical.
If we get to the point where we have a few game cushion and we’re playing a team that we’re not contending with, then perhaps do something like this.
By BravesDave
August 12, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this
OK, we got a nice win last night, now we need another nice one tonight. I would love to hear Joe Morgan talking all night about how much he loves the Mets in the East (he already started on Baseball Tonight, saying that the Mets are only going to get better…I guess that Mark Teixiera acquisition is going to help them…oh, wait, the Braves got Mark Teixiera) while the Braves pound the Phils.
Carlyle is going tonight. A couple of points regarding Buddy - he has only walked 17 in 75 innings, which is a key stat in a hitter’s park like Citizens. If he can keep runners off base by not walking anyone, a solo homer here or there is acceptable. Surprisingly, he is giving up homers at a pretty similar pace to Chuck James. I was shocked to see that. Buddy is giving up a homer every 7 innings or so, while Chuck is giving up a homer every 6.5 or so. I hope Buddy can replicate Chuck’s performance of Friday night - minus the first inning.
The Braves against slop-throwing lefties always scares me. I hope they are patient and use right field tonight.
By s T i NKY
August 12, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this
Regrets, I’ve had a few. But then again, too few to mention. I did what I had to do and saw it through without exemption. I planned each charted course, each careful step along the byway. AND MORE, MUCH MORE THAN THIS, I DID IT MY WAY!!!
By Mets rule. You drool.
August 12, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this
Check out JOE MORGAN on ESPN Baseball Tonight - Hes saying The Mets should get stronger and run away with THE EAST!!!! That’s expert commentery, not a bunch of idiots chattering away. JOE MORGAN PICKS THE METS TO WIN IT ALL!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!! People who know baseball, know thats its the Amazin’s year.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this
I just returned to see where the esteemed lady has delegated me to the “chopped liver” category. But, I like liver n’ onions, don’t you?
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this
Did the ghost of Frank Sinatra just appear on here? God, he looks awful.
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this
Paladin, what did I do?? I’m multi-tasking here - missed something, did I?? Clue me in!
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this
Drooler Quoting Joe Moron on here is like quoting Rush Limbaugh to the dems convention. He is almost as big of an idiot as you are. You’ll have to do better than that. HaHaHaHa!
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this
Bob, Journalist It has to do with routers, I am not a computer expert by any means! I’m sure there are ppl on here more knowledgable than I. The way that a person can have more than 1 computer online at a time, with only one ISP. The Isp gives one IP address, when a router is put into the configuration, one can have multiple computers on the internet at the same time. The router comes into play when a computer on the “network” asks to get “online” However~ the ISP only gives the modem 1 ip address? Thats when the router comes into play,the router (somehow) is able to “assign” an IP address to the “extra computer” that is trying to access the internet, Thus the IP address is assigned by the router arbitrarily to the “networked computer” Thus creating A hardware firewall. The only IP address that can be tracked is the one that is assigned to the modem,which is known only by the ISP. In other words~ this so called Odiferous (SP) offender can be on a network, either wired or wireless that will leave an IP address that is only associated to the access point~ “Say the guy is posting at starbucks? The IP address will be traced to that particular starbucks. however, being that person is on the starbucks network, means that his/her ip address would be assigned by Starbucks network (router) There are ways I’m sure that the ip address can be traced to that particular macchine, I believe there are devices called port scanners that can accomplish this~ however Bob, I dont know how that works. To Trace a IP address from someone who sends an email is impossible! IP address’ for instance, with Dial up , are renewed everytime a person signs off and then back on to the internet. The cable and ADSL connections are different of course. Most ppl think they are always connected to the internet as long as there computer is on~ and it does appear to be that way! However, If a computer (depending on the isp) is inactive for a certain amount of time (usually 12 hours,to preserve bandwidth) the IP address will be “dropped” by the ISP and assigned to someone else. When said individual comes back to get online, They click on IE or whatever browser, and the ISP automatically assigns a new IP address, giving the “illusion” that one’s computer is always online. WAY to go Yunel!! :o) start the game with a single!!!! we will be in 2nd place very soon!!! On our way to the division title!!! DIAZ Doubles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!! Chip is up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Bravos!!!! (
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this
Since the All-Star break, Braves hitters led the league in average (.305), doubles (71) and triples (11) before tonight. Their 3.82 ERA since the break ranked third in the NL.
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this
CL No ma’am, just a joke. If I needed “stroking”, I wouldn’t look for it here. Now, you get well, y’hear?
By s T i N ky
August 12, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this
I’ve loved, I’ve laughed and cried.
I’ve had my fill, my share of losing.
And now, as beers subside, I find it all so amusing.
To think I did all that —- And may I say, not in a shy way…
OH, NO, OH, NO, NOT ME, I DID IT MY WAY!!!
By heath
August 12, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this
even with aj’s strikeout, nice start by the braves….let’s see if buddy can go out there and sit ‘em down without a man crossing the plate… go braves!
By Chopin' at the bit
August 12, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this
Drooler I would give more credence to the bunch of idiots chattering than I would to Joe Moron. His information isn’t credible.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this
Kermit I did not understand your post at all dude? I did get a good laff tho! that made your post well worth my read:o) Thanx! lol AJ hitting 5th!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????? Strikes out~ wow~ I didnt really expect that! LOL What the heck is wrong with Cox? After all he IS the best Manager in the history of the game?
By KC
August 12, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this
ANDRUW MUST SIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Start Willie Harris in center until AJ is healthy. He’s killing us. It’s almost like having Langerhanz back in the lineup right now.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this
Paladin, sorry to take so long to get back to you. I decided to go fishing late this afternoon in the comparatively cooler temps.
When I downloaded Firefox and installed it, it gave me the option to make it my home page (I chose ‘no’). It also gave me the option to import all of my bookmarks and history and such (I chose “yes”). It functions very much like Internet Explorer, just a whole lot faster. Just follow the instructions and you’ll be fine!
If for some reason you can’t get it to run you can still use Internet Explorer. Someone earlier was commenting that they couldn’t get mlb.com to load properly. That was probably because they needed to update Flashplayer. But don’t worry, you’ll probably get a prompt for that too.
Good luck and let me know how it goes.
Carolina Lady, I hope you are well. I enjoyed your frog and butter story!
Nice start to the game, huh?!
By Paladin
August 12, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this
I’ve got to pack it in, particularly after Serbok’s post. I’ll see y’all in the morning along with the 9-5ers who are never with us on weekends.
Bring ‘em through, will you? Go Braves!!!
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this
Tomas, general feeling is that Renteria will probably be out at least another week after his eligible day (Saturday). High ankle sprains are slow to heal. He’s not on the trip, so I haven’t seen him.
By the way, anyone notice that Andruw was standing a bit back in the box. If you look closely, you’ll see how far back his back foot is.
Bobby said it’s something TP has him doing to help him stay back and focus on hitting line drives, and that it’s helped. Bobby insisted that Andruw’s early hitting today was best he’s seen him all year, including spring training.
I asked Andruw and he said, ‘Yeah, I felt pretty good.’ But he downplayed the chance in stance, like he usually does with anything like this you ask him about. He said he’s trying to just not think about the elbow.
Oh, and Bobby said before the game, if he’s hitting .215 that’s not going to keep him out of Cox’s lineup. Said he plays such good defense — “There’s nobody like him,” Cox said — that he wants him in the lineup regardless.
Also said that yes, he’s concerned about the elbow, but also pointed out it didn’t seem to affect him at all during early hitting today.
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this
Paladin, the Limbaugh line ranks right up there! :-))
By Chopin' at the bit
August 12, 2007 8:26 PM | Link to this
Prado couldn’t hold throw! Uh. Kelly where are you man? Mac made a good throw too. Booby KJ should be in.
By Stark
August 12, 2007 8:26 PM | Link to this
where was yunel backing up the throw?
By heath
August 12, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this
why can’t our pitchers stand prosperity?….firt it was chuck and now buddy? come on guys….
By Kermit
August 12, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this
Kermit, you didn’t understand! The 2nd frog didn’t give up and was smart; by continually kicking he churned the cream into butter and was then able to hop out. sigh…..
Carolina Lady As John Lennon once sang, Whatever Gets You Through The Night. This frog knows what he read out of you, ma’am. Veiled threat he read.
This frog is in a very fragile state right now with all that is going on with The Fly, The Clone of The Fly, Texas Brave, the pending flyfighting federal indictment against myself and Savannah Guy, this crazy pennant chase, and all of this violence on the blog lately. Savannah has even taking to calling himself Ookie lately. Very troubling for Kermit. Could be worse. Coulda been P-Funk.
And then last night in the 6 o’clock hour, DOB pretended to eat my wife in a sandwich. What exactly did he mean by those two references? Is the missus a road trip groupie who has to settle for sportswriters? Is she not athlete worthy? I could at least deal with an athlete being the one (or the two if that is what he meant). Never mind. Too horrific and crude a thought to think, say, or write about my wife. Very sorry you had to read that. Not as sorry as I was to be taunted with that piece of damaging info about my wife by DOB last night. Sadistic prick. :-)
So, with all that going on in this frog’s life, maybe this frog misread your post. I hope you will find it understandable. Plus, as you well know, this frog’s missus is notoriously very high maintenance so that certainly does not help matters much.
But, nevertheless, the frog believes he read you correctly the first time. *But kicked and swam, and swam and kicked, Then hopped out, via butter. Time to go cook.” Ahem, what exactly were you cooking after telling that kind of story?
I reluctantly will trust ya this time but my eyebrow will be raised and head cocked sideways permanently looking over my shoulder for the arrival of the Carolina Lady. It won’t be hard to spot you since you brighten whatever room you enter.
Alright, time for Kermy, Michigan J., and Robin to honor the Budster by annoying these Phillies fan with our Bud-Wise-Er routine.
Go Braves! As Jim Morrison once sang, the time to hesitate is through, no time to wallow in the mire!
BH
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this
Buddy Carlyle owe Jeff Francoeur a steak dinner for that play.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this
That’s 16 assists for the frenchman, leads NL.
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 12, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
Well, that was certainly a crafty 31 pitch inning by Buddy, wasn’t it? What’s the over/under on the time this game is over? I’ll take over 11:30pm
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
Why do they keep testing Frenchy?
Getting out of that mess and still having a one run lead, I’ll take it.
Looks like Buddy is going to live and die with his fastball tonight.
By Chopin' at the bit
August 12, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
I think Buddy will be ok after getting out of the 1st with only one run scoring….He was pitching tentatively after giving up a hit vs Rollins. Thanks to another outfield assist by Frenchy we escape only surrendering one run.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 12, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this
You can’t run on Jeff Francoeur ! What were the Phillies thinking ? Fer stupid.
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this
Good start in the top half of the inning and I’ll take a one run lead coming out of the bottom half.
Frenchy really made the play there to nail Burrell at the plate. Not sure what happened with Escobar on the Rollins steal attempt. Looked like he wasn’t over to back up Prado from what I saw from the CF camera.
Carlyle can’t afford to walk these guys because they will make him pay in this ballpark.
By Steve from OH
August 12, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this
“Jimmy Rollins’ life…just passed…through his head there.”
Is Jon Miller really that stupid? Good God.
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
Did anybody see the Baseball Tonight segment where they compared picking the Mets to win the East was like picking Tiger to win? (That was somebody’s answer when Morgan said he still picked the Mets to win the East.)
Yeesh!!!
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 8:42 PM | Link to this
Bang !! How many does that make Frenchy’s gunned down since he came up 43 ? most by any outfielder over that period .
By Frank Abagnale
August 12, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
Gentlemen, as of this moment, I am that second frog.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
Anybody want my Utley giveaway jersey? Powder blue with maroon lettering….
By Chopin' at the bit
August 12, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this
Moyer just did us a favor by reaching first, now Rollins won’t lead off the inning after flyin out.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this
how many more times will Mccann Do this? I have never seen a catcher not catch the ball on a third strike as many times as he does? The gut obviousley is a millionaire due to the fact he can HIT a baseball? Not for his defense? Hence the Question to Our HOF manager? Why is AJ batting 5th?
By SD Braves
August 12, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this
Burrell gunned at the plate, with all that speed Morgan said he had when they were going to play Tex half way.
By Six Four Three
August 12, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this
First time poster…long time reader. French has an absolute cannon. The play wasn’t even close and the runner was running on the pitch. Granted it was a one hop liner, but WOW what an arm.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this
Don’t look now but Chipper’s almost on pace for 100 rbi.Not bad considering the time he’s missed.
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this
Wild pitch aside, Carlyle bounced back with a better second inning.
Aaron Rowand made a great play on Escobar’s drive to the gap. The folks in Chicago loved the guy when he played for the Sox and every time I see him, he’s playing hard.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this
Well, Serbok, AJ’s actually batting sixth. But who’s counting.
By the way, that was a wild pitch, not a passed ball, and it was scored accurately. The ball bounced, dude. Watch the game. Between the ball bouncing to his left and the batter swinging, that’s not exactly an easy play.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this
Abagnale Catch You if SJA Can? Is that what you are trying to say? The second frog does not smell enough to be you.
By Stinky
August 12, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this
For what is a man — what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught! To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels! THE RECORD SHOWS I TOOK THE BLOWS… AND DID IT MY WAY!!!
YES, IT WAS MY WAY!!!!
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this
Left field is full of some rowdies tonight. They’re letting Diaz have it, every inning chanting “You suck, De-az,” again and again when he’s in the field. (Yes, they’re mispronouncing his name).
So the answer to the question I got from someone here yesterday, no, they haven’t priced all the loud Philly fans out in the new park. Actually, it’s about the same in terms of loud, booing fans here, even with their team in contention.
By Six Four Three
August 12, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
I guess that Andruw is batting fifth because of his batting practice prowess earlier today.
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
Buddy seems to be settling down, great approach in going after Howard to get the strikeout to end the third and now we have Tex leading off the fourth. Go Tex!
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this
Hmmmm. Okay, so we were floundering along with a WS appearance in ‘91 and ‘92, but McGriff turned the franchise around in ‘93????
Wow Joe… That’s just… Wow.
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 12, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this
Did I just hear that correct? Did Joe Morgan just say that “the McGriff trade in ‘93 turned the franchise around for the next decade, gave them the confidence to win…”? Um, what team did I watch play in the 1991 & 1992 World Series? I can’t take it anymore. TV just went on mute.
By KC
August 12, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this
WOW… Moyer struck out Andruw! That’s hard to do.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this
Greg in TN, glad to hear that you had fun on vacation. Did you stay at Wild Dunes or rent a house on IOP? Have any good meals while you were down?
By Saltywoody
August 12, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
DOB My best friend is a Phillies fan. He’d kill for the Utley Jersey, probably even drive down to Philly from CT tonight to get it…does it happen to be a XXL?
What a play by Rowand, man. I know Andruw gets a lot of credit for being a great defensive outfielder, but Rowand just busts his butt out there. And with the offensive year he’s having? Can’t believe the Phillies keep talking about trading him. Would actually love to see him on the Braves…
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Yeah, I would be shocked if the Phillies fans were any more genteel moving into the new digs. The ESPN guys mentioned that the Phillies honored retiring umpire Bruce Froemming before the game and he asked the fans to boo him one last time since this is his last trip through Philly and they said the fans certainly fulfilled his request.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
Again, unless a couple of you guys are seeing a different game, Andruw is batting sixth, not fifth.
By TenneseePaul
August 12, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
I love Buddy Carlyle.
I hate Joe Morgan.
I’d love to see a Braves win tonight. I hope they pull it off. The first inning was encouraging.
DOB: Read your Tex vs AJ article. I haven’t been on the blog since Friday, so I don’t know how deep the conversation is on it. I like your points. Interesting way to look at it. I hope they keep both players. But it is all a matter of if the player takes control or if they pass all control to Borass. I’d speculate that AJ would be more likely to give a home town discount even with Borass negotiating. Tex hasn’t been here that long and frankly has no “roots” to stay here. I know he went to Tech and married a Georgian, but that isn’t as strong a root as AJ has. But we’ll see.
I have high hopes for this season. Listening to Smoltz talk is incredible. But for this season, the high hopes… we have too many good stories, guys performing and coming out of nowhere and holding their own to night get to the post season.
FRANCOEUR!!!!!!
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
TWO outfield assists by Frenchy…
Amazing.
By Chopin' at the bit
August 12, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
Another flamer from Frenchy!
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
And they continue to run on Frenchy! Holy Cornelia, will these people ever learn?
Gotta admit that little dance that McCann and Werth did was pretty funny!
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this
AWESOME ASSIST BY MCCANN!!!!!!!!!!!! Fantastic throw by Frenchy!
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this
The French Assassin.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 12, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this
Thank you , John Smoltz ! My attitude exactly. The Braves have given away to many games and that is why I have been so critical of this team. Do you understand now , O’Brien ? I believe this team should be in first place with a 6-8 game lead right now and instead they are fighting to keep up with the Mets and Phillies. Way to go Francoeur , make the Phillies pay for their stupidity.
By Six Four Three
August 12, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this
Frenchy again with the cannon! McCann with a nice pickup on a short hop.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this
Smoltz is being interviewed on ESPN.Man did he take a sarcastic shot at the bullpen….unreal Frenchy did it again.What an arm,and it gets extra points for comedy,catch’em Brian,catch’em.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this
Actually, it’s about the same in terms of loud, booing fans here, even with their team in contention.
Is DOB talking about the Philly crowd or the denizens of this blog?
Judging from this blog and how most seem to live out of state, maybe the Phils needs to send a bunch of their fans out of state so they can boo and whine and complain on blogs but not at the stadium. But, then again, they are so ignorant, they don’t even know how to say Matt Diaz’ name correctly. Kind of hard to ship people out of state when they are too stupid to snag the job they need before you relocate.
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this
Chris,
Stayed at the Palms Hotel (the former Holiday Inn). We ate at Coconut Joe’s and the One Eyed Parrot there next to the hotel as well as the Windjammer. One of my co-workers ate at the River City Cafe up in Myrtle and we stopped in before one of the Pelicans games in Surfside and it was great. We’ll certainly be back in the not too distant future.
By Steve from OH
August 12, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this
Wow…what a play by Frenchy. I didn’t think he even had a chance there. When’s JS going to sign him long-term, I wonder?
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this
SaltyWoody, agree on Rowand being a fine replacement if Andruw leaves, though I doubt Phillies would trade him to a division rival.
No, the shirt’s not close to being XXL. Which means, of course, Bowman also has one available to give away.
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this
Great play by B-Mac in not only making the catch and blocking the plate, but he also blocked off the back side of the plate so Werth had no chance to sneak in the back door.
Nice sac bunt by Buddy. Really happy to see that.
C’mon Yunel, let’s get this run in.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts Enjoy reading your Posts,You seem to always have something relevant to say,keep’em comming~ Webmasters~ generally are ppl who are “doing” Web sites for business’, I think~ Being as it is a business website~(they need to have a “place” on the net that never changes) or even a game server, they need to have IP address’ that does not change~ So they pay the ISP an extra 5 bucks or so a month in order to have a “Static” IP address as opposed to a dynamic IP address Buddy looks pretty good 2nite huh? maybe we get 7 out of him? fingers crossed!
By Frank Abagnale
August 12, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this
Braveheart, sometimes, a frog is just a frog. And, sometimes, a frog is a dairy-heir.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this
The French Assassin. Good one. From now on, in homage to The Professional, when Frenchy nails another runner, I’m gonna say to myself Frenchy just Jean Reno’d that sucker.
By caveman22
August 12, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this
Glad to see McCann getting props for that tag play. I played catcher in hs,college, and the Minors, among other positions, and I know how difficult that short hop in front of the plate can be. Especially while trying to block the plate. Moving your body to catch the ball and try to maintain position puts you into the most vulnerable spot for injury as a catcher. Fortunately for McCann, Franco’s throwing them out by about 10-15 feet so he hasn’t taken a body shot, ala Bruce Benedict. Man - I can still picture him flipping over and then looking down and reaching for his broken ankle. OOoohhh PAIN!!
By The Grinch
August 12, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this
Ohhhh….my head. Great throw from Frenchy.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 12, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this
A—ville Ranger,
If anyone has the right to be sarcastic about our bullpen, it’s Smoltzie!!! How many games have they blown the last 2 years for him??? May be the difference between getting in the hall and not. If you don’t believe me, that clearly everyone knows Smoltz is a HOF’er, listen to how many baseball people say all the time that Gossage and Dawson are HOF’ers but neither are….
And those umpires suck!!! Good grief!!!! Come on Burrell, think like AJ would with runners on!!!
By Six Four Three
August 12, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this
That actually was a good call on the phantom double play as both were safe. Unfortunate break for our Braves but it was the correct call.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN: Braves signed top draft pick Jason Heyward of Henry County High tonight, the 14th overall selection.
By Bobby Cocks
August 12, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this
If one of our teams had the name Phillies, I’d be p**-off too!
Kain’t you just hear a Yankee, with that disgusting/annoying nasal tone, saying “Phillies”? OMG, makes me cringe, gag, and feel like I’m gonna yap!!
By stinky's daddy
August 12, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this
Serbok====way to go mister know it all! your education far exceeds your intelligence====getting rid of stinky could have been as easy as sja scaring the crap out of him with that bull about ip addresses====but no you had to stick your bright nose in something that concerns you not====mister know it all IT man=====mister stick your nose where it doesn’t belong====you people try so hard to appear intelligent but just end up as ignorant as stinky====now hope stinky disrupts this blog even more so than he has in the past====you go stinky===they deserve you.
By Daybed Wagmoe
August 12, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this
isn’t rowand a free agent after this year? seems like i’ve heard some announcers saying that.
By Smoltzie
August 12, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this
Thanks Coach(Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion), I try to speak into a microphone every chance I get. Especially if its in front of a TV camera.
By The Grinch
August 12, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this
D’OH!
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this
OUch! The blown double play comes back to hurt big time.
By Chopin' at the bit
August 12, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this
Another flamer from Frenchy!
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 12, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this
Jon Miller got a bit excited with that home run call of Howard, didn’t he? Calm down espn, it’s only the 5th inning.
By heath
August 12, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this
it was just a matter of time buddy got chased from this game…he has been flirting with danger all night…. well, let’s go get some runs now boys!!!!!
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 12, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this
Man, I feel sorry for Buddy, shouldn’t have given up a 3 run homer if the umps didn’t stink! Wouldn’t have left the Ted IMHO. Since when does an ump not call in the area when the SS is that close to the bag??? And didn’t the runner look out at first??? Neither Joe or Jon said he was out, which makes me sure he was….
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this
DOB - c’mon man, Rowand is a free agent at the end of the year. Quit smoking those cheap domestic cigars. They’ll turn your brain to goo.
By Chase
August 12, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this
Why take BUDDY out now? Its TOO LATE!
By nosy b*******
August 12, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
serbok you’re one ignorant nosy b*******!
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this
I like the way Prado looks.Edgar turns a double play there though.A three run swing,maybe a loss,maybe the difference in making the post season or not.
By MEB
August 12, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this
Umpires should at least be consistent on their calls at second. Brian Runge deserved to have Bobby all over him for that lousy call. The play at first was dang close but you have to give Yunel the call at second. Yunel was too close to the bag for Runge to call him safe. I know I’m right because the idiot Joe Morgan agreed with the call. I can’t believe a second baseman like Morgan would agree with Runge. What a moron!
GO BRAVES!!!
By Efrim
August 12, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this
We need to get more innings from our starters. Buddy has been shaky of late.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 12, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this
DOB, Do you know if top draft pick Jason Heyward was paid the way MLB says a 14th pick should be paid??? Or more??? I read an interesting column by Gammons about the “slotting” of draft picks….sounds like a different type of collusion.
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this
Ouch. The leadoff walk and not getting the leading runner on that DP attempt really hurt.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
DOB, great news on Heyward. Hope to see him playing for Rome next year.
Isn’t Rowand an unrestricted free agent after this year?
By Six Four Three
August 12, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this
Glad to see Andruw move up in the order and batting fifth (just kidding, DOB). By the way, a tie goes to the runner, so that was no twin killing.
By Chase
August 12, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this
THe Braves always struggle against JUNK BALLERS like MOYER.
And that HOMER was a joke! This Ballpark is a joke! Almost any other park that was a harmless flyout!
By Steve
August 12, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this
Regarding the safe ruling at 2nd during the double play attempt — what exactly is the line between getting such an in the vicinity call, and not getting it? Over the years, I’m sure I’ve seen fielders more off the base than that and still get the call. Is it that the umpire requires that the base actually be touched by the fielder before allowing the fielder to be well off the base when the ball is actually caught?
By JasonInMaine
August 12, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
Disgraceful…Jamie freaking Moyer?
By iwalterp
August 12, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this
Carlisle just gave up 3 run homerun to Howard. McCann is going to be an all around great player but i am not impressed with his pitch selection. I think the Braves would do good to get a veteran catcher off waivers down the stretch.McCann should not have called anything in the strike zone to Howard. You just don’t let him beat you in that situation. Of course Cox should have called that from the bench, but we know that type of managing won’t be coming. A veteran catcher may have done it on his own. Its one thing to catch Smoltz and Hudson who just shake the kid off when he calls a stupid pitchg or location. James,Carlisle,Reyes,Davies and Cormier would not shake him off. I am watching Moyer pitch around Francour to get to Andruw, just pathetic.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 12, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this
So, we are hearing now that Andruw hurt his elbow in late May?????? Why hasn’t he been disabled at some point since??? Were we not told he was fine, no injuries???
By Interested Observer
August 12, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this
Is it appropriate for the Phillies to be giving umpires gifts before a game they’re working? I think the umps gave the gift back on that double play!
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this
Wow, Andruw as cold as the other side of the air conditioner.
(I’m just guessing the condensor would be chilly.)
By Stephen
August 12, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this
Hmm, the hat trick tonight for Andruw. When is Bobby cox finally going to realize that he is the biggest freeking rally killer ever. Harris in center, Diaz in left.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this
*SixFourThree, there is no rule in MLB saying that the tie goes to the runner.
By TexasBrave
August 12, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this
Damn Andruw - Strikes out looking on a pitch on the inner half of the plate. I’m sorry I he got lucky twice last night. He butt needs to be on the DL period.
By KC
August 12, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!! DAMNIT BOBBY… LOYALTY IS ONE THING. THIS IS JUST PLAIN STUPID. SIT ANDRUW!!!!!!!
And if you’re going to play him, why in the HELL would you bat him IN FRONT of McCann?????!!!!!!!!!
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 12, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this
Andruw Jones = rally killer , enough said.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this
~ Serbok. ~ Ye shall now change ye moniker to ~ Nick Burns, Computer Guy
By JasonInMaine
August 12, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this
For the sake of sanity…Bobby, if you insist on playing Andruw when he openly admits he is injured, can you please bat him 8th??? How bad does it have to get?
By Big Papa Stink
August 12, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this
give em hell stinky. nothing they can do to stop you. give em hell. don’t hold back. your the man. show em how stinky you can be you dumb sunnanabitch.
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 12, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this
So, if I’m hearing and reading this right, Andruw’s pulling off the ball because of his hurting elbow. So his elbow was hurting in 2006? 2004? 2003? 2002? Since he 1st came up in 1996? It’s not his elbow. It’s Borasitis. He’s been a stubborn, pull hitter when he 1st came up and will always be that. 3 K’s against this junkballer. Okay, I’m done with the venting…rally cap is on, Let’s Go Braves
By ijonathan
August 12, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this
eek…Joe Morgan standing up uplauding in the hot tub. TMI.
By Stuart
August 12, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this
This team is going to be in the rut of win 2 of 3 and lose 2 of 3 unless the SPs improve. This rotation is incapable of producing two turns in a row of quality starts. It is hamstringing an otherwise good team. The bully is getting burned out and it is only going to get worse if the starters keep only going 4 innings.
Also for all the talk of this killer lineup, they still go on long stretches of scoreless innings. They have a shot, heck as good as anyone I quess, but until Edgar gets back and the SPs improve, it is an uphill battle.
By Andy
August 12, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this
Rowand is a FA next year. Rowand, Cameron, or Hunter would be a huge upgrade over Andruw Jones offensively compared to his numbers this year. Imagine a lineup with a centerfielder who will actually bat well above his weight in an already awesome lineup.
By Marty
August 12, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this
I have always been a strong Bobby Cox supporter, but I question batting Andruw anywhere higher than 7th. Frankly, I think he should probably be batting 8th every game…perhaps not when Prado is playing, which brings me to my next criticism. Although the umps completely blew that double play call, there is no question that had Prado played that ball better, it would have been an EASY double play. This after he missed that good throw by McCann in the first inning, directly leading to the first run.
It’s unbelievable to me that the umpires would make that sort of call at second on the would-be double play in a game of this magnitude. I’ve always hated the “neighborhood” rule on the double play, but you simply can’t call the play a certain way for 20 years and then arbitrarily enforce the requirement of actually touching the bag in a spot like that.
The umping for this whole game has been horrendous; the ball-strike calling has been terrible, the other guy was clearly out at first on that double play, etc. With the Braves refusing to score, we don’t need the Phillies getting extra help.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this
Yes, wrote that post about Rowand without thinking. Free agent indeed, which is, of course, why they were talking about trading him.
Sorry, for some reason the game and the Heyward situation distracted me from the most important matter — the blog, of course.
By Bob
August 12, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this
How much longer do we have to suffer through Andruw? How many games have gone down the tubes in the last month? Unbelievable.
A-ville Ranger, what did Smoltz say about the pen? I am watching the game but listening to Pete and Joe…only about a 1/2 second delay so it works. I know John has some legit gripes about the pen…so does Hudson. But in all honesty, I would rather have a father son talk with James and any other starter. They are killing the pen every time they pitch.
By Chase
August 12, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this
The home plate ump sure has a big strike zone for Moyer! MANY MANY Braves are complaining!
By tvsportscaster
August 12, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this
DOB, Rowand wouldn’t have be traded to play for the Braves, because he’s a free agent at the end of the season.
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this
And Ernesto, you’ll have to let me know what a cheap domestic cigar is like. Haven’t had one since college.
By Stuart
August 12, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this
When did the production team for JP football start doing baseball on ESPN? They missed a run scoring double. That was ridiculous.
By Six Four Three
August 12, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
DOB can perhaps settle this, but I’m 99% that the MLB rule book states that a tie indeed goes to the runner. Regardless, it was the right call. You don’t get the phantom DP call if you A)never have a foot on the base (either before receiving the ball or after), or B) don’t drag your foot across the base.
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
Yay, here comes Woodward!!!!! Fans of Suckiness Stand up and be counted!!!!!!
By Bob
August 12, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
What is the hell is ESPN doing? You miss the double by Prado that scores McCann and those MORONs are showing the Henry Aaron tape for the 1,000,000,000,000,000 time!!!!!!!!!! Mets Drooler must be at the controls at ESPN Central.
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this
Didn’t Eric Chavez get dropped last year to 8th in the lineup when he was injured and struggling? I believe Chavez even requested to be batted 8th if I remember correctly.
By bhmtiger
August 12, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this
ESPN is so busy talking about Barry Bonds and Hank Aaron from last Tuesday they have to REPLAY Prado’s double and McCann scoring - can’t they pay attention to the game they are supposed to be announcing and save the Baseball Tonight-esque commentary for true dead time?
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this
The Blog - of course!!!! Here. Here.
By Hammerin' Hal
August 12, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
What a pleasure it is to watch a Braves game without the constant rah rah ramblings of Chip Caray and Joe Simpson. The national announcers portray the Braves as what they are—a slightly above team still in the play-off chase.
By Jim V
August 12, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
DOB,
I write on behalf of my eight-year-old daughter, a rabid Kelly Johnson fan. I almost made her understand the second base platoon when he was splitting time with Escobar, but how do explain Prado’s start to her? Johnson seems to have exceeded expectations. What does he have to do to get the job every day?
By David O'Brien
August 12, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
iwalterp, they’ll take that under consideration, I’m sure _ get a veteran catcher on waivers for the stretch. Yeah, that’s a good idea. He can catch in the really important innings, right?
By the way, with a runner at first and a runner at second, and Roward up next, would you have just walked Howard there to load the bases? Hummm. Next guy’s hitting .319 with 19 homers, and first base isn’t open. But you’d just walk him?
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 12, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
Wish our soft tossing lefty could make it into the 7th…but, to be fair, Chucky is not 44!!!
Man, I wish we had taken a chance on Moyer last year…I pointed out earlier this year that Moyer played with folks such as…Ron Cey, Davey Lopes, Jim Sundberg , Jerry Mumprhy, Gossage… in other words, he’s old!!!!
By Wolfpack Man
August 12, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
What in the ** is ESPN doing missing an RBI double and then saying while were showing you Hank Aaron’s speech from Tuesday, here is what just happened.
I loved Hank’s speech, but for the love of goodness, why show it right in the middle of an at-bat. Flat out embarrassing.
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this
The Six-Fingered one, c’mon we can hit this guy!!!! One run for each finger. Let’s go bravos!
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
DOB Thanx for the correction~ I was in and out of the room at beginning of game~ Just was horrified to see AJ up to bat so early~I did have an “inkling” I was incorrect on that~Inkling? What the He!!’s an Inkling? lol As far as Bmac’s defense behind the plate~Otis Nixon’s catch a few yrs back wasn’t easy either? But he made the catch? Just kiddin with ya bud, I played the game myself~ in fact was a catcher, most of the time, unless of course I let the ball get by me? LOL But who’s counting? LOL
By Chase
August 12, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
That was TWO BAD BAD BAD at BATS by Escobar and Diaz!
You gotta score that run at this point in the game!
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 12, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
So, we miss a double by Prado and a run scoring to see a replay of Aaron’s congratulating Bonds?
And no Jon, and Joe, Aaron doesn’t seem sincere at all! No smile on his face. He looks and sounds more like a guy who has a gun pointed at his head offscreen, reading from a script saying how the terrorists have treated him so very kindly, and he of course agrees with whatever the terrorists viewpoint is.
By ijonathan
August 12, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
Seriously, what is the Braves record lately for scoring runners from third with less than 2 out?
By Efrim
August 12, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this
Poor job by Diaz and Escobar. They were swinging for the fences there. Just need to put it in play there. How many times have had runner on 2nd no one out and not scored a run? Its like we need 2 outs to do our damage. Oh well. Can’t complain about this road trip if we go 3-3. Tough trip. 3-3 is okay. We’ll gain games in the next 5 series. At least we should gain games the next 5 series……
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this
DOB - Midol up cowboy, I was just joking. I know you’re a tobacco epicurean, that’s why I went there with the jibe. No harm meant. Peace.
By Six Four Three
August 12, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this
DOB, what are your favorite cigars? Personally, I like Punch, Romeo Y Julieta, and an occasional Cohiba. By the way, there’s no crying in baseball, and there is no rule that the tie goes to the runner. Only a simple, “the runner must beat the ball to the bag.”
By The Grinch
August 12, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this
Alfonseca just isn’t THAT good. Some clutch hitting would be nice.
By The Fox
August 12, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this
The burdensome beast of burden requires some cheeze with his sour grape whine.
By chrisklob
August 12, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this
Six Four Three, check out this link on mlb.com. It’s a column written by Tim McClelland, mlb umpire. Look at the third question. Here’s the [link] (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/feature.jsp?feature=mcclellandqa)
By Mark in PA
August 12, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this
Alfonseca just came in and struck out Yunel and Matt on ten pitches. Per Gameday, only one of them was in the strike zone. One! None were called— all strikes fouls or swinging. That missed opportunity was completely self inflicted.
By heath
August 12, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
well….3, 4 and 5 guys coming up here in the 8th…this is the inning to make it happen boys…need to get a few runs here…
By stinky's daddy
August 12, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
what more could sewerbok have left to say====dumber than duck dung.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
BRAVEHEART Thanx for the link man:o) Totally Cracked me up!!!!!! I was doin the LMAO thing while frenchy made that “attempt” to throw out the runner! That was awesome dude!!!!!!!!! One question tho? How did you know jennifer is my wet dream? Spooky? Lmao!
By Chase
August 12, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
That is the double negative about leaving that run at third base! You pump the other team up and they come through with a score of their own!
It is not fair to ask the Offense to score 7 runs a game to have a chance!
I am sick of these UMPS tonight also!
I agree with others of you about another thing, I think it is a CONFLICT OF INTEREST to give an ump a Gift before a game like that!
Also ESPN makes me SICK!
They make us miss two hits and a score by the Braves to talk about BARRY some more and then.. DID YOU HEAR HOW EXCITED JOHN MILLER WAS ABOUT ROLLINS’ TRIPLE!
Obvious and sickening!
By NCBravesFan
August 12, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this
Phillies are playing their butts off tonight - they really want this series! Let’s see if the Braves have another rally in them before they head home.
A little patience in the batter’s box could spark something for the Bravos.
Let’s go Braves!
By N8
August 12, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this
A few random thoughts:
1) Andruw STILL sucks and does not deserve to wear a tomahawk across his chest. The club-house attendant in charge of jerseys should replace the JONES on the back of his with: RALLY KILLER.
2) Nice job ESPN of showing the “I could give a sh!t less” Hank Aaron high horse speech to Baroid. Glad I saw the 3rd (and probably final) run of the night by the Braves.
3) Did I mention Andruw SUCKS?
4) Woodward has NO BUSINESS being on a big league club, much less ours in the middle of a pennant race (allegedly).
5) Our defense has been shaky at best in the past week. Some great plays splashed inbetween the brain farts and silly mistakes, but in general it’s been disappointing.
6) Martin Prado? Really? Yikes.
7) To have Moyer on the ropes in the 1st inning and ONLY get 2 runs is pathetic. But you know…..we’re one of the best offenses in baseball, right?
8) Ryan Howard is the real deal. We could only be so lucky as to have a guy with his raw power. We used to. Have I mentioned that he now SUCKS?
9). Francoeur has an absolute cannon in RF. Hands down, one of the best arms to come around in the last 20 years. Regardless of that Ryan Klesko-ish throw trying to get Rollins out on the Sac-Fly.
10) I’m still rooting. I’m enjoying watching the games, because win or lose, this team is “fun” to watch. But totally disagree with the dillusional fans (and DOB) that think this team is going anywhere this year. We can’t win the big games. PERIOD. If we aint facing the Muts, we aren’t clutch.
Too bad we can’t talk Selig into giving us a schedule where we play the Mets about 104 times. We might have a chance.
DOB You keep saying you still stand by your thoughts that the Braves will win the East. Dude, I hope you’re right. I really do. Regardless of what you and others think of me, I’m not rooting for the Braves to loose so I can do the old “I told you so routine”. But when you’re chasing 2 teams, and you literally tread water against them, and can’t make contact off of the 6-digit man, you’ve got problems. Not to mention your best hitter dribbling out on the first pitch he sees in the 8th against a new pitcher. Nice.
I hope I’m wrong. But Teixeira just swung at the 2nd pitch. 3 pitches, 2 outs. What patience. WOW.
Unreal.
Great. Hear comes Flash Gordon.
Game over.
But hey. After tonight, there’s 44 games to go. We’re in great shape, right? Hope they go better than the last 44 games.
:-)
By Braveheart
August 12, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this
Chop Chop, you still got that Romero baseball card laying about. After that performance, I think I might wanna use it.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 12, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this
three outs away from being tied for second place with the Phillies , not good.
By Mets rule. You drool
August 12, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this
You ARE 3rd place. Hahhaahahahahahahaha!!!!
How’s that taste?
Yum! 3rd place Atlanta Braves, seems pretty sweet to me.
By MEB
August 12, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
Hammerin’ Hal… you must be hammered, right? Including Joe Morgan in any capacity reduces the broadcast to the Looney Toon level. Chip Caray is no favorite of mine but Jon Miller and Joe Morgan? The ESPN radio broadcast with Dave Campbell as analyst is outstanding, however it lags about 10 seconds behind TV.
GO BRAVES!!!
By heath
August 12, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
well, our 3, 4 and 5 guys just didn’t do much of anything…this is going to lead a disappointing road trip…. sigh
By Six Four Three
August 12, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
chriskob, see my 10:22 post, I’ve already seen it and stand corrected. I still feel that most umpires will grant the tie to the runner.
The first pitch swings are hurting us in the 8th. Let’s make the pitchers work a bit.
By ijonathan
August 12, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this
So we thought that having two power-hitting switch-hitters back-to-back in the lineup (Chipper and Tex) would cause opposing managers heartburn trying to match up lefty/righty. Early returns…not so much. Just bring in a lefty and turn both Chipper and Tex around, done deal.
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this
Nice K by Acosta. I think the Bravos will make a serious run at Rowand in the off season - and I’m good with that.
By Chase
August 12, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this
SOME PERSPECTIVE HERE!
Even IF we lose this game, we will still have gone 3-3 on a rough road trip and GAINED A GAME ON THE MUTS WHILE THEY WERE AT HOME
So no matter what we come home in better position thatn we left!!! Can’t really complain about that!
Anytime you gain any ground while you’re on the road and your TWO RIVALS are on homestands… THAT AIN’T BAD!
Acosta looked good!
Now lets get even in hte 9th!!!!
By Johnnie Carson
August 12, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this
spit it out caveman. spit it out!
By TexasBrave
August 12, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
Will Bobby do the right thing and pinch hit for Andruw. I think this is a defining moment to see if Bobby has truely lost it or not.
By Mets rule. You drool.
August 12, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this
Braves 3.5 back. Nice.
By The Grinch
August 12, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this
Well, at least Acosta looked good; hopefully he and Ascaino will be up with us next year.
By Serbok
August 12, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this
stinky’s daddy Yeah~ your probably right man, my bad:o(
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 12, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this
Odds of Andruw getting a hit off of Myers???? one in how many billion????
By N8
August 12, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
Well Acosta looks good. I’m sure Bobby will send him back to AAA by the end of the weekend.
Amazing how good a reliever looks, when the throw strikes, that AREN’T straight as an arrow.
97 MPH. Yeah. He throws to hard for Bobby’s taste. They’re gonna have to get him to throw at about 90 percent with location. We can’t have none of them hard throwers out there. :-)
Sorry before too. I was wrong. Tex swund at the first pitch as well. 2 pitches 2 outs, should’ve been what I said.
What patience from our #3 an #4 hitters, down by a couple of runs.
Oh, whaddya know. I get up to go get a snack, and come back to see Andruw walking back to the dugout. I’m sure it was a good AB for him. Worthless piece of sh!t.
By Carolina Lady
August 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
David, the writer of that [10:24 post] (http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/entries/2007/08/11/cormiers_return.html#comment-1468830) needs to be banned immediately. Lea?
By Charlie
August 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Got to get rid of AJ and start Willie and Matt Diaz
By Charlie
August 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Got to get rid of AJ and start Willie and Matt Diaz
By ernesto
August 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Why BC didn’t pinch hit for Druw I really don’t know. I mean I really don’t get it anymore. He’s going to come out of it with the game on the line? Is that the thinking???
By Charlie
August 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Got to get rid of AJ and start Willie and Matt Diaz
By Charlie
August 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Got to get rid of AJ and start Willie and Matt Diaz
By Charlie
August 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Got to get rid of AJ and start Willie and Matt Diaz
By Charlie
August 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Got to get rid of AJ and start Willie and Matt Diaz
By Saltywoody
August 12, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this
Cheap domestic cigars, huh? Are we talking swisher sweets…or Garcia Vegas? Ohhh, to be 16 again…
I was just down in Sea Island, Georgia for a wedding, actually, and we had a few great Romeo y Julietas…don’t remember the year or the wrap or anything. I was too busy staring in awe at the smoking room I was standing in with the first editions littered around it and the Macallan we were drinking.
Is there anything better than single malt and cigars?
By Steve
August 12, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this
If Andruw Jones has another strong batting practice, our IQ challenged manager will probably move him up to bat 5th.
We did not field the best lineup possible for tonight. Why not? The Braves may have still lost, but I wonder what would have happened had Johnson been in the lineup as he should have in an important game over someone just called up from the minor leagues, and if Andruw had been batting 7th or 8th as he should have been.
This is major league baseball and you will always lose some games you should have won, and win some you should have lost — but why the constant self-inflicted stupidity regarding game to game strategy and tactics?
By Kentavo
August 12, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this
If Bobby keeps managing like it’s Spring Training he’s gonna wake up in October - at home.
WTF with his pinch hitting? Why would you “save” KJ and Thorman and ph Woodward when you have a rally going? It makes no effing sense whatsover.
What is Cox waiting for?
I know it’s not DOB’s job, but I wish another AJC writer, like Shultz would take Cox to task. It’s time for him to hang it up. This team has the talent - count the all-stars folks (Smoltz, Hudson, Renteria, McCAnn, Chipper, Teixiera and Andruw) and two soon to be (Frenchy and KJ).
By VandyBrave
August 12, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this
Is it just me or do the Braves just totally lose sight of the fundamentals of hitting in close games??
not taking pitches - even chipper was eager to get out in the 8th
trying to hit 450 foot blasts with a man on 3rd and 1 out. this is old news, but honestly how much longer can they continue to do the exact antithesis of what a situation calls for at the plate?
By Chief
August 12, 2007 10:55 PM | Link to this
DOB- not sure if you noticed, but Myers went out of his way to stare down Willy after the second strike as he was waiting on the ball to come back. Looks like a few words were exchanged and ESPN showed Chipper staring onto the field after the game (assuming at that wife-beater Myers) Is there bad blood there?
By ban em all
August 12, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this
10:32 poster needs to be banned along with 10:24. david
By SteelCav
August 12, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this
Mets Rule - where are you physically?
By Bob, Journalist
August 12, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this
Serbok, Thanks! I basically understand static and dynamic addresses and classless routing … though I’m no longer active in that arena, it was my experience that in most cases, machine identification was more burdensome than it was difficult.
Of course, my primary objective was not to catch evil doers after the fact but to deny them access to classified material … we had security software but our “system” automatically regenerated the operating system on a daily basis which help minimize external threats.
I’m told by folks currently active in the Internet Security arena that there are proprietary BPPEs available with elements that can capture form submission header information from traffic on any site where you know the URL and can identify the form.
That’s outside the operating framework of the internet community.
However, within the community, the technology is here and now … the abusers have been identified or are identifiable … it’s just a matter of time before the laws are in place to facilitate effective prosecution.
You can rest assured that the evil doers will be actively pursued and prosecuted with vigor is fact … all of the systems are being designed to facilitate that process … and those seeking protection under the civil rights umbrella will find themselves without an effective champion.
The interesting thing will be to see how companies and individuals deemed to have failed in their protective fiduciary responsibilities will be treated under the law … international trade and unilateral contract issues are strange but powerful bedfellows.
Just my opine … well, maybe just a bit more than that.
By MEB
August 12, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this
N8… Since you know the outcome already why don’t check out other viewing (they also have blogs) opportunities:
NBC - Exhibition Football: Seahawks vs. Chargers
CBS - Cold Case, Shark
FOX - Family Guy
ABC - Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters
Your schtick is really getting old!
By N8
August 12, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this
Stuart Scott just used the old “Cool as the other side of the pillow” reference when describing Tiger Woods today.
Which brings up an interesting question.
If one were to own a waterbed and have the heat turned up really high on it, meaning the “other side of the pillow” wouldn’t be cool at all, would that person be referred to as hot or as “warm as the other side of the pillow”?
Just wondering.
TexasBrave
“Will Bobby do the right thing and pinch hit for Andruw. I think this is a defining moment to see if Bobby has truely lost it or not.”
Good stuff man. THAT is the funniest post of the night. That one will keep me laughing for the next 2 or 3 days.
Bobby wouldn’t PH for Andruw if he was laying out on the warning track unconscious from hitting the wall. He’d make Francoeur carry him into the batters box and just sit him there. Kinda like Bernie from Weekend at Bernies. Hell, Bernie is probably a better hitter. Wonder if he can play CF?
Hmmmm.
By TexasBrave
August 12, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry guys and gals I am getting tired of defending Bobby. You have to give yourself a chance to win. You need someone who can get on base so you can bring the tying run to the plate. Bobby let AJ’s two hits last night and the fact that he and AJ took extra batting practice to influence his discission. You have both Willie and Kelly on the bench with over .300 batting averages and you let a guy lead off that is batting .213 and struck out three times versus Moyer (I think the only guy that struck out verses Moyer). That is just pure and simple a p** poor discission. I know it is just one game, but how many games must there be left before you decide to make that kind of move.
I hate to lose has much as the next guy, but to lose when you don’t give your team a chance is just pathetic
By Chase
August 12, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this
MUTS DROOL
WHAT A PATHETIC WASTE OF SPACE YOU ARE! Read my earlier post! Your team just went 2-4 in 6 games at home while the BRAVES went on the ROAD and GAINED a GAME on you
not to mention beating you 2 outta 3 and 8 out of 12 in all! And you crawl back in here to spit out your 8 YEAR OLD DRIBBLE!
You are a SAD INDIVIDUAL! But go ahead and try to ease your INFERIORITY COMPLEX! Just remember the Braves are only 3.5 GB! And we get to kick your @ZZES 6 more times this year!
N8
You need a hug! Do the Braves have to win EVERY GAME the rest of the way to make you happy?
Like I said, they went on a tough road trip and gained a game in the standings! What do you want man? I mean why do you even root for the Braves if you are gonna be so consistantly negative and sarcastic!
By stuart
August 12, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this
Even IF we lose this game, we will still have gone 3-3 on a rough road trip and GAINED A GAME ON THE MUTS WHILE THEY WERE AT HOME
Perspective: Still in the race, but now in 3rd behind Philly.
They couldn’t win the series against Philly without Utley AND Victorino despite having multiple run leads in all three ballgames. That is a BAD sign.
They could not score twice with the bases loaded and no outs on the trip.
They had a 4-0 lead and our #3 starter handed it all back to them on Friday.
They almost blew the game yesterday, and probably since the bully had to go 5 innings yesterday, blew the game today. I am only guessing, but I bet since he has pitch so much recently, Mahay wasnt available to pitch to Howard and thus the bomb off a struggling Carlye.
Had the top of the lineup up and the tying run on third with one out and failed to score off Alfonseca.
Chipper and tex saw 2 freaking pitches from Romero and that was it.
The two losses: 6 runs in the first inning, 1 in the following 16. They werent that bad BEFORE tex.
The only reason I am not giving up on this team is that everyone else is so bad in the NL too.
This team is not going to catch the Mets. Heck it may not matter, because once they get healthy, Philly is the team to beat in the east.
Hope everybody has a good week and a good night.
By Vonshawn
August 12, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
Considering the fact that we were facing the highest scoring team in the NL; coupled with the fact that we were tossing out our three least effective starting pitchers in that bandbox they call a stadium; and we managed to be in every game, I would say that this was a pretty well played series in Philly.
Teams like the Mets and Phillies get excited when they beat the Braves because they don’t expect to; that’s why they get all pumped up when they do something good. The Braves, with this team, expect to win every night, no matter who the opponent happens to be.
Over the next three weeks, the Braves will take over first place in either the NL East or the Wildcard - end of story.
By Tony Almeida
August 12, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this
Chief, i noticed the same thing. Was hoping the entire team would jump out of the dugout and beat his a$$. Willie didn’t do anything to provoke it, not that i saw. ESPN naturally didnt notice it, obviously because they’ve had their heads up their a$$ the entire game.
By Greg in TN
August 12, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this
Some missed opportunities tonight really cost us one. I think if Renteria is in the game, we get the first, but the way Rollins was running into second, don’t think he gets Iguchi.
3-3 road trip doesn’t sound nearly as good as 4-2.
Warm up the pipes Atlanta, big bad Mr. Asterisk is coming to town.
By N8
August 12, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this
VandyBrave
“Is it just me or do the Braves just totally lose sight of the fundamentals of hitting in close games??”
Yes. About 4 years ago.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 12, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this
what can journalist say? other bloggers have blogged “angst” on this blog? hmmm…. this may be a pivotal moment for this blog. which blogger claims to be first to use angst?
and now stinky’s daddy is blogging here. enough stinky’s already. and will daddy please let stinky know daddy’s name? journalist is just trying to help stinky out.
now, a song for the bloggers that want to fight each other:
Don’t look so sad;
I know it’s over;
But life goes on and this old world will keep on turning.
Let’s just be glad we had some time to spend together
There’s no need to watch the bridges that we’re bur…..ning.
Lay your head upon my pillow,
Hold your warm and tender body close to mine.
Hear the whisper of the raindrops
blowing soft against the window
And make believe you love me one more time
For the good times.
oh, the humanity. not a pretty picture.
By Superman
August 12, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this
I prefer a good White Owl Peach cigar sliced right down the middle and filled with the finest ….um…er “tobacco” I can get my hands on.
Thats way better than any cohiba or cuban any day
By Tomahawkin' Again
August 12, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this
Looking at the 5 series between now and when we next see the Muts (home vs. SF, Ari; away vs. Reds, Cards & Marlins), the Braves should be 11-5, 10-6 at worst. Of course, when we wake up on the morning of August 31st and look back on the Braves 8-8 record in those series…Oh well, what can you do? I’m going to keep cheering my head off and try not to throw my cats through the glass sliding door as I wanted to tonight. The Braves are what we think they are = a slightly above average team that can be 8-4 against NY, but then can get swept by the Reds at home. That could be good enough to get us into the playoffs this year. Stay tuned Braves Nation, we’ve seen some amazing pennant runs by this team in the last decade and a half. Maybe 2007 will be the most memorable of them all. I hope so, they owe me this year. I have wasted many a night’s sleep, many a wife’s complaint of taking them way too seriously and way too much money over the years for them. The Braves owe me! Okay, I have officially gone insane from a baseball team…I just took my meds and I’m off to bed now.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this
That was a sad final 8 outs.I posted earlier on how these guys don’t go down easy.So what do they do ? hack away like a bunch of high schoolers.Just a really poor effort those last 2 innings.
By N8
August 12, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
Aw, MEB….whad’s da madder? Can’t handle reality? This TEAM is not very good.
It is a team with some GREAT players (Chipper, Smoltz, Hudson, Renteria), and some good players (McCann, Frenchy, Tex, Escobar, KJ), and some good “role” players (Diaz, Harris), and some down right BAD players. Since my “schtick” is old, I won’t name them.
I’ll repeat for the rest of you, that aren’t tired of it. This TEAM (as in the whole team, you know the ones that get the wins or the losses), is mediocre, until they show me differently.
PERIOD.
By TNRON
August 12, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this
hey TexasBrave,I had that same thought!!!At some point you have to wonder what is most important.Andrew has to be one of the most selfish players I have seen.He admits hes not 100% and doesnt have the d** guts to tell his manager he cant play.His gutless manager would rather play automatic out Andrew than to play a .325 hitter (Diaz or Harris,Frenchy could play center if need be).Cox’s whole rationale is inconsistant.Why play Prado tonight?Possible reasons: “just decided to give Kelly a night off”.Andrew NEVER gets a night off,well officially anyway.”Kelly doesnt hit Moyer very well”.Andrew doesnt hit ANYONE!But loyal to a fault we gotta make sure Andrew has some kind of #’s for freeagency,every occasional HR helps I guess.When Cox’s a* is watching the playoffs maybe Andrew will invite him over.
By Hilble
August 12, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this
* “Andruw the Braves Killer” * Bobby has lost his marbles and putting AJ ahead of team…DP and K’s for defense? BULL SH@#. The Braves missing playoff will be Cox’s and AJ’s fault. If jones does anything wrong BC has excuse for him, more BS. His head needs MRI instead of his elbow. Could it be the results of coming off steroids?
By Bobby Cocks (I suck in game strategy)
August 12, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this
I can’t even get tossed out of game anymore!
By Bobby Cocks (I suck in game strategy)
August 12, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this
I can’t even get tossed out of a game anymore!
By Bobby Cocks (I suck in game strategy)
August 12, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this
I can’t even get tossed out of a game anymore!
By KC
August 12, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
I have always loved Bobby, and I have never said anything close to what I am about to say…
I would like for this to be his last year. I think BC is hurting the team right now.
If gold-glove defense is enough to compensate for being an automatic out… why did we discard Ryan Langerhans? Simple… it’s not. No defense is good enough to atone for being a sub-.200 hitter (which is what AJ is right now) in this day and age.
We have Willie Harris who is having a career year sitting on the bench, and he would be a far greater option than a .214 hitter who’s not even 100% (or anywhere close to it).
I think I’m ready to see Terry Pendleton get a stab at the job. It hurts me to say it… but the Andruw thing isn’t the only issue, it’s just the most glaring thing right now, as it probably cost us a game in the Mets series, and might have been the difference in tonight’s game (we’ll never know).
Bobby’s loyalty to and confidence in his players has always been an asset… but it seems to have crossed the line. He has GOT to place performance above loyalty at some point. If he can’t do that… it
By bill
August 12, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
This was a terrible road trip. They should have been 5-1. Can’t expect to move up by playing .500 ball. The pitching staff is going to do them in. Buddy’s Bubble Busted. I know he has done great but I’m afraid this game will do him in. Rowand is the one for CF next season, not Cameron or Hunter. To much money and they are getting some age on them. It’s painful to watch AJ. Why don’t they give him about a week off? Probably wouldn’t do any good.
By A--ville Ranger
August 12, 2007 11:28 PM | Link to this
N8 I’m curious,what’s the attraction in doing that ‘we’re doomed act’ day after day ? It’s your time,just curious.
By Saltywoody
August 12, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
You know, ESPN showed a graphic of our four starters tonight…and neither their records, nor their ERAs were bad, and some of them were quite good (Smoltzie/Huddy). The 5th spot of the rotation on any given team is usually pretty shaky.
At the same time, our offense seems almost unbeatable. Everyone in the lineup is at or near 300, we’ve got two switch-hitting power bats in the middle of the lineup, and some decent bats off the bench (when Diaz/Willie/KJ are there).
So, what’s missing?
It’s got to be Andruw Jones.
I know this is a dead horse and it might not be worth beating. But, this guy is absolutely a black hole in our lineup. I can’t even begin to fathom how many more games we would have won this year if he were even hitting 30 points higher.
It’s also unbelievable that we can come out and get ahead two nights in a row, by 2 runs or more, and end up losing these ballgames when we give those runs right back.
Then again, as has been pointed out, we went 3-3 in two tough series and gained a game on the Muts. So, I guess all is not lost.
But I would LOVE to see the Braves stop winning 1, losing 2, winning 2, losing 1…and just go on a tear. Here’s hoping.
By N8
August 12, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
Stuart
Come on man. The kool-aid drinkers don’t wanna hear the reality you spew.
They just want DOB to tell them it will be alright, and the Braves will make the playoffs.
:-)
Chase
No hugs needed pal. Just a team that can win 2 out of 3 against good teams. That’s all. So NO. I don’t need them to win the rest of the games. Just a few of them. Especially ones where they were in command, as they were in the first inning.
This team doesn’t know how to put a team away. PERIOD.
By Tyler
August 12, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
Our offense doesn’t need to produce 7 runs a night. However, it needs to be efficient.
1 out, runner on third, Escobar up. You can suicide squeeze Prado in to TIE the game. You can sacrifice fly to score the TYING run. Or a simple base hit scores the TYING run. A base hit scores the run with 2 outs as well. Instead, the Phils get out of a big inning with a boost and get another run of their own. That was the biggest inning of the game.
Besides that, Andruw makes me vomit. I thought maybe this down year would make him get off his @ss and get into shape and have a turn around year like Hudson is having. Then I remembered he’s too arrogant for that.
As much of a roller coaster the Braves put us on, they’re still only 3.5 games out. If the Mets and Phils keep losing series’, and we take 2 of 3 we’ll be sitting pretty.
As for next year, we have some problems to fill:
Starting Pitching - I’d like to see Zambrano, but he looks like he might be too pricy, even with a salary boost. I’d love to see Phillip Hughes, Jerad Weaver, or Matt Cain/Lincecum come via trade. If we got Hughes, I would LOVE to get Melky Cabrera as well. Thats another problem.
Bullpen - We need a closer. Period. A pure game-ender. Joe Nathan looks delicious. He’s a FA, too. If not, Gonzo is coming back, and we can deal til then or get someone else. Soriano might go, even though he can still be so good. Acosta looks promising. I still think we need another guy we can count on (maybe a tough lefty) to get out of jams and be consistent.
Center Field - We could use Willie, but I’m not convinced. I like him and Diaz in left, but they deserve to start somewhere. I am very interested in Rowand. He’s a balls-to-the-walls player (remember that catch last year he made when running into the wall?) and he’s excellent offensively. Torii Hunter is obviously the other good option. Lastly, Lillbridge has played center, and is tearing up in AAA. He’s our last option.
With a rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Weaver, James, Carlyle (maybe Hampton somewhere) we would be nasty. With Kelly, Renteria (probably Escobar), Chipper, Tex, Franceour, McCann, Diaz/Harris, and Rowand, we would have no holes! Let’s keep dreaming :)
Sorry for the long post. I got all excited lol.
By Ray Kelsey
August 12, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
Um… since when do they name a player of the game before the game—a close game—is over? ESPN put a teleframe around Howard’s mug and ordained him as such with the Braves down 2 in the ninth and no outs???????? So, if the game goes into extra innings, Chipper hits a grand slam, and then makes a diving catch at third to end the game, Ryan Howard is the player of the game because of his insignificant homer in the 7th?
That, coupled with the Hank Aaron speech made for a nauseating night of broadcasting.
If the Phillies hit another extra base hit, Jon Miller would have had to take his blood pressure medication.
ESPN’s baseball coverage is pretty pathetic. Where is Burman?
By KC
August 12, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
Somehow my last post cut off… If he can’t place performance above player loyalty at some point… maybe it’s time to hang it up.
By Chop Chop
August 12, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this
Braveheart, you can use the Romero card, but I used some scissors to serrate the edges of it. You know, for maximum pain and angstability.
(P.S.: I can wipe off the flesh if it bothers you.)
Let’s see here…the defense let Buddy down and he gave up a three-run bomb. Bobby pulled him immediately. It’s almost like Bobby is morphing into Joe Torre now. He’s pulling starters out early to try to stop the bleeding and “hold ‘em where they are”. In this case, it worked. The bullpen gave the hitters a chance to get back in the game. It just didn’t work out.
Joe Morgan is a baseball god. Did you know that the Big Red Machine took the baseball world by storm? God, no one could stop Joe and Johnny Bench…and whoever those other guys were. Absolutely no one. Joe also claims that Tiger Woods is pretty good. Wurlitzer-worthy stuff from ol’ Frogface (not sure who came up with that nickname for Joe, but it’s apropos).
By Kentavo
August 12, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this
Anybody notice the Bravos are at least 3-0 without Andruw in the lineup? (I remember 3 wins, but haven’t looked it up)
By Superman
August 12, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this
Good thing N8 isnt a fan of about 90% of the other MLB teams. He would be suicidal. I mean really if the braves are really as bad as he seems to think then why are there so few teams that are better???
I bet N8 is a real blast to live\work\be friends with. jeez dude you depress me
By Señor Blanco
August 12, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this
Señor blanco es esta noche muy triste porque el Bravos ha perdido.
Pero él cenaba sabroso del tacos del cisne. El cisne prueba como pato y es mucho más blando que panda o giraffe.
By Bobby Cocks (I suck in game strategy)
August 12, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this
**Time for real Braves fans to stand up on this homestand. The tourists and the little kids are going back to Alabama and Tennessee for school. The stands should be filled with more educated baseball fans for the rest of the season.
Boo Andrew unmercifully. Do you think for one minute he would get away with this crappy performance in a real baseball town. Bring in signs that says he sux until security takes them from you. Display them proudly. His sorry a$$ deserves it. All we gone hear about now is his sore elbow. Even Joe Morgan admitted everyone listened to Pendleton but Andrew in tonite’s line up.
Boo Bobby Cox like a rented mule. Get your head out of your rears and realize this man is killing this team with his bonehead decisions and unbridled loyalty. He can no longer be trusted to run the empire. He and Andrew will cost us the eastern division title this year.
I will be there doing my part but I can’t do it alone.
By john
August 12, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
soriano is not following through on pitches leaving ball up and slowing it down on pitches.prados feed to escobar on double play was little league-lost ball game
By John (from Cincinnati)
August 12, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
Andruw will soon be gone.
By Steve
August 12, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
With the options available to Cox, I don’t think there is any justification for batting Andruw Jones lower than 8th until he shows that he can consistently hit 260 or over. Since he is still a legitimate home-run threat, by batting 8th, he’ll probably more often get pitched around. That could increase his on base percentage, thus minimizing the damage he does with his poor batting average and hopefully lessen the amount of rally killing he does.
Also, in the 8th slot, it’s less likely that the person batting in front of him will see fewer good pitches so as to get to Jones. That’s because once the pitcher gets to Jones in the 8th slot, he would be likely to want to get to the pitcher instead, so I don’t think they would be as cautious to the # 7 hitter, as they possibly are to the # 5 hitter when Jones is batting 6th, etc…
By john
August 12, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
soriano is not following through on pitches leaving ball up and slowing it down on pitches.prados feed to escobar on double play was little league-lost ball game
By Superman
August 12, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this
How does one boo a rented mule?
By John (from Cincinnati)
August 12, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this
I will be there doing my part but I can’t do it alone.
Andruw will soon be gone.
By Señor Blanco
August 13, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this
Señor Blanco no sabe boo a una mula alquilada. Pero él tiene algunas recetas muy agradables para prepararlas.
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 12:04 AM | Link to this
Now THAT is funny, for those of us who’ve seen John From Cincinnati (and I realize they’re probably aren’t a whole lot of us in that group).
Anyway…
Love Escobar’s future. Gonna be a fine player for a long time. But rough series, man. Rarely can you lay two games at the feet of one player as easily as you could this series. I mean, it was a really tough play, and part of the problem was Prado looking as if he was going to make it himself. Prado said he had to pull back because the umpire was right in front of him.
Anyway, Escobar was a little late getting there, then didn’t get his foot down, and it was pretty blatant not getting it down. Cox said the call’s rarely made, as though it’s always given to the infielder. But that was a really blatant one, and a rookie’s not going to get it like a veteran (Renteria) might.
But they missed Edgar’s bat and glove in this series, like I said, he’s raked against these guys all year, including his two-homer performance that won the season opener.
It’s over now. Tough series. Phillies are 12-4 in their last 16 at home. Fortunately for the Braves, the Phils have to go on the road now, to Washington (don’t laugh, Nats are playing well) and Pittsburgh.
Braves need to make hay against the sorry Giants and the hot D-Backs at home this week, for sure. Each series now starts to become a little more critical.
By MegaBravesFan
August 13, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this
Someone mentioned earlier that they saw Lillibridge play at Richmond the other day. They said he looked like he was 12. So I decided to see for myself. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw him. He is tiny.
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this
John (from Cincinnatti), funny post.
Well, over the past few days, I have been notified by the self-appointed blog censors (Lew, and the rest) that I am no longer allowed to critique the Braves play after losses. Unfortunately, I now have nothing to talk about.
Some weather we are having, eh?
That “Flight of the Conchords” show is pretty funny.
“Entourage” was just OK tonight. I didn’t think last week’s episode was all that great, either.
I Tivo’d the Braves game (since my wife asks that I watch Sunday night TV with her). I just finished watching the game from 9pm on a few minutes ago. It is nice to watch them implode on 2x speed. Oh, wait, was that too negative??? Uh oh. I am in trouble.
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
You want UGLY numbers? Andruw since Aug. 12, 2006: 160 games, .219 average (127-for-581) with 33 homers, 104 RBIs, 143 strikeouts, .330 OBP.
By voice of reason
August 13, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this
Keep Andruw or Tex? What a stupid question, something AJC would ask. We all know Bobby loves AJ more than winning. Thats not worth a answer. Is there anything JOE MORGAN don’t know….?
By bruce
August 13, 2007 12:12 AM | Link to this
Now Barbecue Dave, for future reference, at Bull’s BBQ in Ashburn Alley, I tried both the pulled pork sandwich and the pit beef. I am prepared to try all other choices at other stands and Bull’s other choices before having either of these two again. The pulled pork sandwich was very good portion and hot (temp), but the flavor was completely dominated by tomato-based sauce, no pit flavor at all, the sauce overwhelmed and under-impressed… have had grocery store frozen that is just as good (and hot out of the microwave). The beef sandwich did not have the same problems, it was tender, very nice portion, I added some sweet peppers to make it better, could have been hotter (must be less popular). Maybe next time I stop by and suggest to Bull that he make some pepper vinegar available and some dry pulled pork (I am sure he will listen… right) Also, I was not so impressed with the crab fries from Chickie’s & Pete’s… good but not great and they were just out of the cooker fresh and hot, maybe should have gotten the cheese to go with it. Did you try the blue cheese buffalo chicken pizza from Peace Pizza? I would definitely get that again. Will have to try Tony Luke’s pork sandwich on your recommendation on return trip on Sept 25. Now back to DC area and wait for Braves next trip to NY Sept 10… Thanks, Bruce
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 12:15 AM | Link to this
By the way, is any show more frustrating than “John (from Cincinnati)?? I said to my wife tonight that we could basically watch a bunch of people spout unrelated words for an hour out of a dictionary and it would probably make more sense. I also commented that I thought our Yorkshire Terrier might be able to write a better script. I can’t imagine HBO bringing that show back next year. I am waiting for “Dexter” to return on Showtime. Great show.
I posted before the game that if Carlyle could avoid walks and maybe only give up a solo homer, he would be in good shape. He did neither. Horrible at-bats by every Braves hitter tonight against the Phillies bullpen. And, God, how can Andruw laugh and smirk after an 0-4, 3 K game in a pennant race???
Uh, shoot, I am being negative again. Sorry. Hey, I watched of a lot of English Premiership soccer this weekend. It was great.
By TexasBrave
August 13, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
KC you are right on man. I really do like Bobby and I have tried to stay loyal and true. I can understand staying loyal for awhile, but there comes a time when that loyality is hurting the team so much that you have to make a change. I just hope that Bobby figures it out before we lose too many games that the division and worse our playoff chances passes us by.
I would be willing to see AJ in the 8th spot in the lineup for his defense then pulled if a key situation like tonight comes up. Or start Willie and if we get up by more than 4 runs or late in the game with a lead putting AJ out there for defensive purposes.
DOB you mentioned in your 8:25 post that AJ looked fine in batting practice. That’s great but he is not having to face difficult pitching either. Heck even I can hit batting practice pitching, might not hit any over the fence, but would put good wood on the ball. I’m sorry there is no excuse for not at least doing what I mentioned in my above paragraph. That way we can still have his defense, but will not have to worry about his lack of offense as much.
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this
Bruce, I went with the cheesesteak tonight from a bistro thing up here on the club level or whatever they call it. very good sandwich.
Oh, and the same loser posted both of those reprehensible posts earlier tonight. Didn’t see them until I had a chance to scroll back. He’ll be banned.
By Tyler
August 13, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this
Just wondering, anyone know if Tim Lincecum is untouchable or if the Giants are willing to trade him?? I was very impressed with him when he pitched against us and he has 121 K in 18 games. And he’s only 23. 6-3 3.88 ERA. He would be a huge off season pick up.
By Fed up
August 13, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this
Dear John, Please tell BOBBY to take A. Jones out of the line up.
By Saltywoody
August 13, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this
THOSE ANDRUW NUMBERS ARE HIDEOUS It’s appalling to think he has been that bad for that long.
It’s also kind of weird. Is he just not the player everyone thought he was? Was his MVP-caliber season a fluke more than a progression? It’s certainly looking to be the case.
And it’s also amazing to think what the team might have done with someone in his place. I mean, remember how he single-handedly carried the team when Chipper was gone that year? Imagine if we had them both?
By TexasBrave
August 13, 2007 12:47 AM | Link to this
DOB Can we really blame Yunel for not touching second? I mean every other umpire in the major league would have called the guy out. I know I have seen more plays were the SS was further off the bag than Escobar was and get the call. Was it because he didn’t make it look flashy enough?
I am a baseball purest and believe that the bag should always be touched. But if you are going to call it one way then you need to be consistant or you are going to cost someone like that umpire cost us today.
By Chop Chop
August 13, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
BravesDave, how dare you watch fake football!
I’m a huge college football and NFL fan, but I like soccer. I see that Wayne Rooney broke his foot. Nice to see Man. U off to a good start, lousy b*******. They’re the damn Yankees of the EPL.
As for being negative, I have some advice for my fellow bloggers:
If the team’s driving you to drink, it’s better to let the negativity out here if it’ll help you stay off the sauce.
By bruce
August 13, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this
Dave, with Andruw’s poor batting average going back one full year, do you think he has re-injured or further agravated his elbow injury from multiple pull-backs of home runs and is finally in enough consistent pain that the MRI will show something significant? He seems to have a very high pain tolerance to grimmace with every swing before the cortisone shot and finally give in to get the shot. He may be the only one who knows when the original injury occurred maybe sometime last year before Aug 12. Thanks, Bruce
By N8
August 13, 2007 1:09 AM | Link to this
Superman
“Good thing N8 isnt a fan of about 90% of the other MLB teams. He would be suicidal. I mean really if the braves are really as bad as he seems to think then why are there so few teams that are better???”
90 percent of other teams out there don’t give up 5 young players to aquire 3, to make a run at a playoff spot, that they’re never gonna catch. This team is like Wylie E. Coyote, and the playoff spot is the road-runner.
Oh so close…….but right when it’s there to snag it, and take control of it, an anvyl lands on their head, or they blow them self up with some dynomite.
I don’t expect them to win every game, as I stated before. So say for instance if I was a Royals fan (or a Braves fan in the 80’s - which I was), I wouldn’t EXPECT to win. Nor would I have to tolerate year after year of young promising players getting dumped for players that help “keep the streak alive” that we will NEVER be able to afford to keep.
If you guys think for a second that Teixeira is gonna sign long term before free agency, or we will win the bidding war for him, well there’s a team from Georgia you should root for, cuz they’re going ALL THE WAY. :-)
Like I’ve said all along. The ONLY reason this team is disappointin, is because I know they have the talent to do better. When you don’t expect big things of them, you can’t be disappointed right?
Just take it for what it’s worth. This team is NOT going to make the playoffs if they continue to play the way they are “when it counts”. And don’t try and convince me otherwise. Only them winning on a consistant basis (going 18-6 since the break like the Yankees would be a nice start…see, THEY are serious about contending). Like Judge Judy used to say: “Don’t pizz on my leg and tell me it’s raining”.
As far as those who keep saying that the Mets are playing just as mediocre as us? Yup. You’re right. But look out for the Phillies. Maybe Rollins was right. They’re looking like a team that WANTS IT. And since when has playing badly been excused by comparing it to the team you’re chasing? That’s like saying you’re dating the “hottest” girl at the Indigo Girls School of D**. It’s all relative.
It doesn’t MATTER how pathetic the Mets are. We can’t catch them, so what’s that make us? We can beat them, but that’s about it.
As for hanging out and (or) working with me? Way more casual, and fun in real life, dude. My sarcasm apparently doesn’t come across well in text form.
If you guys wanna keep the dream alive, so be it. More power to you.
For the record, I’ve not given up. There is enough talent on this team to get there. Whether they do it or not is up to them. And IF they get there, there surely is enough talent to win it all (see Cardinals of 2006).
But what I’m saying is this. IF THIS TEAM CONTINUES TO PLAY SLOPPY DEFENSE, CONTINUES TO NOT SCORE RUNNERS FROM 3RD WITH LESS THAN 2 OUTS, AND CONTINUES TO HAVE SORIANO PITCHING WHEN THE GAME’S ON THE LINE……we will NOT make the postseason.
PERIOD. If you disagree with that assessment, you’re just plain stupid, unless then Mets plan on losing the next 44 games, along with the Phillies. Then .500 ball will be just good enough.
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this
Chop Chop, I love watching soccer…not the MLS version, mind you. But I really enjoy European “football”, mainly the English Premiership. I am a big Newcastle fan. I am really hoping to get over there to see a match once of these days. I have been there twice, but my schedule has not allowed a game. I am not sure if Man U or Chelsea are the Yankess of soccer. I guess Chelsea could be considered the Red Sox. They hadn’t won in many years, but they won 2 titles in a row and spent hundreds of millions on players. Kind of like how the Red Sox now spend close to the Yankees in payroll.
Wow, it was nice to post without mentioning the Braves. Serenity now. I have to say, though, a 3-3 road trip was not good. Yes, we gained a game on the Mets, but we lost a game on the Phillies. Not good. I am just being repetitive at this point. Plus, now I just ruined my “posting without mentioning the Braves”.
By Savannah Guy
August 13, 2007 1:13 AM | Link to this
Missed the game tonight except for auto-refresh on my Treo…it was painful even seeing it in that format. At least Joe Morgan wasn’t there. With a 3,4,5 like we’ve got and a .200 hitting rally killer, stubbornly and mistakenly placed, lollygagging right smack dab in the middle our lineup, we would be irrational to expect every win or every series.
But our Braves can do it with a few adjustments. Will those adjustments be made? I’ll be watching. Bravos, the time is soon…no, uh…now.
Hey, if it angst one thang it’s anuther (fit in nicely, eh?).
Speaking of angst: Whew! At long last…I got a call from Mr. Fly, sleuth reporter tonight. After hanging with Wicky during his arm troubles and eating a wide swath through the NY cheeseburger and PA cheesesteak joints, he flew out to Imperial Beach, CA.
He’s said he’s working on a really big Braves story for next week. Something about Andruw Jones I think but not sure. I couldn’t get a headline out of him. Anyway, he wanted me to give Kermit a message: BH and TB. Don’t know what that meant…must’ve been code. He seemed pleased with those initials.
Then he closed with: BC and AJ, “I got my eyes on you”. More code I suppose. How many eyes does a fly have anyway? Regardless, I’m just glad he’s alive and under cover…or on a wall or whatever. Oh, then he said something about hovering a foot off the ground…and how that was no biggie for a fly. Who knows what the heck that could mean? Could that be some sort of Flybourne Ultimatum? Did he learn that when we played the Reds in Cincy? The Fly can be a bit idiosyncratic at times. And corny.
By N8....What the hell do I know?
August 13, 2007 1:20 AM | Link to this
DOB
This is purely hypothetical, but given those pathetic numbers (33 HR and 104 RBI) really aint THAT bad, but not for your superstar, in this era, I (and most) expect more, even with his defense.
Do you think that had JS known those numbers were coming, he would’ve dumped AJ before he became a 10/5 guy, or do you think the loyalty between him and Bobby towards AJ was so deep that it was NEVER an option?
JS seems pretty business orientated, and no matter how much he “loves” a player or respects, them will seemingly “better deal” them if given the chance.
I’ve got to believe that JS expected BIG things from AJ in his walk year, and figured they’d milk that for what it’s worth, not to mention seeing where the payroll was gonna go with LM taking over, and possibly re-signing him. But having said that, even if he has a MONSTER September and lowers his asking price, I gotta think he’s playing his last two months with the Tomahawk on the front of his jersey.
It would be silly to expect him to “improve” in the future, IMO.
But what the hell do I know?
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this
Question for the Blog Censors: Does agreeing with N8’s 1:09am post constitute negativity?
By Saltywoody
August 13, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this
Woah.
Did N8 just quote Judge Judy?
AMAZING.
By Ron
August 13, 2007 1:35 AM | Link to this
DOB and others What did that Dude say to get banned? I know you cant say the EXACT words, but what was it about? Who was it about? Just curious!!!
Tough loss tonight, but at least we ARE in the NL!!! And I now MORE people that still like BC, but getting very irritated at him are finally showing it!!! Listen I like and RESPECT what BC has done for THIS franchise, BUT he has absolutely lost it this year!!! I have said that since probably June!!! Its sad really, because he USED to be DAMNED GOOD!!!
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this
OK, I can’t stand it anymore, I have to comment on last night’s game.
How much did Prado being in the game affect the outcome? It seemed that there were two potential double plays that were not completed due to either misplays (Prado mishandled a bit on the zero out DP ball) or Prado and Escobar not being on the same page (earlier, it seemed Escobar had to run to second because Prado was not there for the toss). I understand that Prado drove in a run, but he also seemed to make a poor play on the Rollins SB when the ball went into CF (and Escobar was nowhere to be found backing up the throw - and I was so impressed with his instincts before that miscue). These plays directly cost us runs tonight, and they are the type of plays that a team battling 7-8 other teams for a playoff spot cannot afford. Once again, KJ has a big game contributing to a win (2 hits, 3 RBIs) and then sits the next day. Does it make sense? Does he need a rest??? He has been platooning since June. I doubt he needs a rest. Moyer is not hard on lefties.
I hate to see the guy on the bench. We play games with KJ, Diaz, and Harris on the bench every day…and every day we put up with an injured outfielder hitting .215 in the lineup, without fail.
By A--ville Ranger
August 13, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this
For those interested the meteor shower should peak in a half hour.Mark Bradley has to have the worst instincts of any writer I’ve ever read.His idea that Aaron should shake Bonds’ hand and heal the world is bs of the first order.Leave Hank the hell alone.He was convinced to do the video I think against his true desire.Why should he lend his credibility to this farce ? Hank go play some golf and forget about all the nonsense. Time to watch the fireworks…night all.
By Chop Chop
August 13, 2007 1:42 AM | Link to this
BravesDave,
I don’t really have an EPL team, although I’ve tended to cheer for Arsenal over the years (I probably started watching soccer in ‘98, I guess). I just like their style of play. Losing Thierry Henry will damage that a little bit, but Arsene Wenger’s brand of “free-flowing football” is much more entertaining than watching minor league MLS talent hammer passes 50 yards down the field to no one in particular.
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 1:51 AM | Link to this
N8, I have to seriously wonder what team in their right mind would give Andruw Jones anything remotely resembling the deal that Vernon Wells got from Toronto? The Angels got Gary Matthews Jr. for $10M a year (we cut him in spring training a few years ago) and he is producing well for them. Take them out of the equation. Can the Yankees or Red Sox really offer Andruw ridiculous money when Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand are basically the same age and are both very good to excellent defensively? Hunter and Rowand are putting up much better offensive numbers this season.
Take the Angels, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets (Beltran), and Cubs (pending sale plus will have to give Zambrano $120M and just gave Soriano over $100M) out of the equation and who has the money to sign Andruw Jones???
It really looks to me that there is a good chance that Andruw is back in Atlanta next season. Where else is he going to go?? If he can’t get huge money elsewhere, why not play for a manager who will not bench you when you are hitting under .200 for long stretches?
By interesting observations
August 13, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this
It’s an interesting observation that our resident know-it-all Serbok has explained to the entire world how a person cannot be tracked by using their IP address. Impossible he says. Yet David O’Brien assured the blog that the person who made a couple of “reprehensible comments” this evening was going to be banned.
How?? How will this person be banned? He would need to be identified first. If Serbok was right, then how will AJC find this offender? Can’t track him by IP address. Will AJC simply block his e-mail address, only to have him use a different e-mail address, and just keep on posting as if nothing happened? Was DOB simply appeasing the complainers, and there is nothing AJC can do?
Who is right? Serbok or DOB, guess we shall see.
And has anyone cared to tempt fate, and e-mail thesouthern.jackass@yahoo.com? I believe that is SJA’s correct e-mail address, go ahead, give it a shot if you’re sure your IP address is untraceable.
interesting observations indeed!
By Wayne in Utah
August 13, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this
I never hope for the worst for players, but in my heart, I am sitting here thinking that if AJ has a problem in his elbow that might land him on the DL, that might be a good thing.
Yunel dropped 2 for us in Philly. We gotta remember that he is just a rookie. Rookies make mistakes (as do enough regulars from time to time).
Buddy probably deserved better.
At the all star break I was saying that we could go as far as AJ could take us: If AJ picked it up, our chances were good. If not……
That was before Teixeira. Now, I would love to see this outfield with either Lillibridge or Brandon Jones inserted part of the time just to see what it would do to the dymamics of the lineup. We can look sooooo good, and then not be able to get or keep a rally going.
I am not even going to talk about pitching, as I think our pitching is adequate right now. It could always be better. We will get some bullpen help on September 1st. I think we probably have more arms that could help than either the Mets or Phillies. Guys like Devine, Ascanio, Paronto, Ring, Hernandez, etc….
Problem is BC doesn’t like to throw them in the fire. That could be an issue. That has been his salvation and his downfall as a manager. Probably has helped him much more than hurt him in the past.
I would just love to see the Braves use some more youngsters like we did in 2005.
N8 I agree with much of your 1am post. I am not quite ready to give up though, as you seem to be. Even though you later state you are not giving up, it sounds like for you, the fat lady is already in the second verse.
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 2:01 AM | Link to this
Chop Chop, I have been following Newcastle since about 1996. I was a big Alan Shearer fan, plus they are one of those teams that just never seems to win, but they consistently have talented players. They seem a little snake-bitten, too. They signed Michael Owen for around $30M and he has barely played a game for them in 2 seasons. I follow them, waiting for the payoff when they finally win…sort of like when I started following the Braves and Dale Murphy religiously in ‘84-‘85.
The access to the sport is so much greater now than 10 years ago. I have two satellite channels that show about 7 of the 10 English games each weekend. It is great. I typically do not miss many Newcastle games because of it.
Arsenal had a pretty amazing comeback win today. I watched it this morning. 2 goals in the final 6 minutes or so for a 2-1 win.
By Bobby Cocks
August 13, 2007 2:08 AM | Link to this
I’d rather stare at a blank wall than watch soccer.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this
BravesDave,
I keep hearing how the Rangers really want Torii Hunter, but, I think he wants to go to a winner first and foremost. Rangers ain’t that. Hopefully, the Braves can/will take a chance on him. If Torii goes to the Braves, or another contender, well, the Rangers will have to try to make a splash somehow…though I wonder if they are Borosed out???
No one will drive in 100 this year for the Rangers, (They are not playing Sosa all the time now, for some stupid reason) So Borass will make some wonderful charts and graphs on Andruw, toss in how Willie Mays said he is the only guy that he compares to himself in CF, and how even with a bum elbow, Andruw drove in 100….And bingo, Andruw gets 18-20 Mil next year. Hey, he got Jeff Weaver 10 Mil and he was released last year, and had a 5+ ERA.
By Todd A
August 13, 2007 2:16 AM | Link to this
“and Escobar was nowhere to be found backing up the throw - and I was so impressed with his instincts before that miscue).”
You’re the first person I’ve seen point out that play tonight, and for someone with such good instincts as Escobar supposedly has, that was very disappointing to see from such a young player.I hope he got an ear full from Hubbard after that.
And what else can be said about A_ _ _ _ _ J_ _ _ _ that hasn’t been said already? Another o-fer with 3 K’s.Bobby has decided that he is going to sink or swim with him in the middle of the lineup, come hell or high water.Playoffs and division title be dam*ed.
By Wayne in Utah
August 13, 2007 2:17 AM | Link to this
Elbow comments: About 2.5 years ago, I injured my right (dominant) shoulder at work. Nothing major, but being diabetic, it froze up and has taken over 2 years to get back close to being serviceable.
Why am I telling you this? Because I love playing ball with my 15 year old, I reverted to throwing the football, shooting baskets, and pitching left handed with my son. I am not ambidextrious, but I am close.
In the summer of 2006, I realized I had pushed my left elbow too far, and had inflammation, a mild case of tennis elbow. A pain, but not too bad.
Got an injection in October, and it did improve gradually over the next 2-3 months. At the end of January, I did something stupid, and racked the elbow again. I have had another injection, lots of anti-inflammatories, and it still is swollen 6 months later, and hurts to do almost everything.
What I am saying is that if AJ’s elbow is anywhere near as bad as mine, or worse, I don’t think he is gonna get better anytime soon. I have seen him wince on TV, and it looks bad. Probably won’t get better until he shuts it down for MONTHS.
And I was pinning a lot of our hopes on a decent second half for AJ. As stubborn as he is, he CAN carry a team, if playing his normal game. If we do not get to the playoffs this year, I lay the blame squarely on AJ, and partially on Braves management for allowing this cherade to be perpetuated.
And for the Joe Morgan’s of the world who would state he has had a good year RBI wise, well who batting cleanup in our lineup wouldn’t have?? He should be sitting on 100 RBI’s by now.
Gotta get some sleep.
How’s my buddy Serbok these days. I will check for your response in the morning.
By Wayne in Utah
August 13, 2007 2:23 AM | Link to this
Can it be true? I have something in common with Bobby Cocks? Wow, dude, we just connected on the Soccer issue. My son likes to tell his soccer loving friends, that it is the ultimate sport for those that can’t play real sports, but just like to run around!
Is there some sort of lunar eclipse or something going on?
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 2:30 AM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah,
I really don’t think you can blame that DP on Yunel. I am sure he has been told for years, just be in the vicinity, and you will get the call. He was close enough on a slightly bobbled play by Prado. Runner baring down on him, he was just called safe on a play you almost never see. Sorta like the high strike call. Yeah, it can be called by an arse of an ump, but it rarely happens.
I think the 3 runs scored in that bandbox against Moyer(Not to say he isn’t a very smart pitcher) is why we lost. Tex, no hits. Andruw, no hits. Chipper, one hit, Frenchy, one hit, McCann, one hit. Ain’t gonna win games often when that happens.
By Chop Chop
August 13, 2007 2:36 AM | Link to this
I gotta head to bed…
BravesDave,
I like Newcastle. Cool unis, St. James’ Park (biggest stadium in the Prem) and some great fans. I don’t catch a lot of EPL games, but I keep track of the standings and watch ‘em when I can.
As far as tracking IP addresses via e-mail, there’s no need to whine to anyone about it when you can do some sleuthing of your own. Here’s a link to help figure it out:
Tracking IPs
Anyone can be SJA! It’s true!
(I gotta head to bed…)
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 2:47 AM | Link to this
Out here in the sticks we still have some guy that rides his horse down the street hollering, “The British are Coming”.
PALADIN In the afternoon, that was humorous but kind of crazy sounding. But judging from this late night invasion of British soccer talk, I’ll never again underestimate the sayso of a horseback rider in the sticks. Sounds like he needs to join SJA’s intelligence gathering army. He’d be a valuable asset.
By A--ville Ranger
August 13, 2007 3:04 AM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah N8 gave up in April or don’t you read his post ? I’m surprised nobody else has commented on how the team ran through the final 8 outs like drunk frat boys. In the eighth inning first two pitches two outs.The only one who showed any patience at all was Yunel in the ninth and not much at that…..BravesDave I’m not aware of any blog sensors concerning N8. I don’t think you’d be censored anyway ,I do believe you’d be wrong.
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 3:34 AM | Link to this
A-Ville, my comments regarding N8’s post were an attempt at sarcasm. I spent some of the weekend being lectured by people like Lew and others about how there was no place for negativity regarding the Braves on the board. I think N8 and I feel pretty similarly regarding the team…they have the talent to win this division, and the talent to win in a short series, but they have yet to put everything together in a meaningful way. Until they can win 15 out of 20 and get some movement in the standings, I worry about their actual chances to make the playoffs. 3-3 on this road trip might have been good in April or May, but it is a bit inadequate when you are trying to prove that you are the best team in the division in August.
As far as Bobby Cocks and soccer…another bad decision by Bobby. Running around, Wayne?? There is some incredible athleticism in European soccer, some unbelievable skill.
Also, A-Ville, I mentioned the Braves horrible at-bats against the Phillies bullpen in an earlier post. Chipper and Tex seeing a total of two pitches?? Ridiculous. Scoring early seems to throw this team off of their game. They get overconfident and overly agressive at the plate.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 13, 2007 3:43 AM | Link to this
Yea , it was a tough loss but like Smoltz said , the Braves cannot keep giving games way if they expect to catch the Mets and Phillies. The Nationals went 14-12 in July and they are 8-4 this month. look out , here comes Washington , lol.
By Serbok
August 13, 2007 4:04 AM | Link to this
out here on the parameter’s WE Is Stoned Immaculant!!
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 4:19 AM | Link to this
Serbok, did you watch that movie?
By bill
August 13, 2007 5:29 AM | Link to this
This is desperate times. Bring up Lillibridge and B. Jones Or I didn’t think I would say this but trade for Wily Mo Pena and Trachel. Got to shake up the starting staff and do something with AJ, but what? Release Woodward and sign W.Pena. Pena is still young with alot of power but strikes out alot. Just do something. I’m not giving up!!!!!!! The Braves need innings from their starter’s.
By Greg
August 13, 2007 6:34 AM | Link to this
What is this junk about Andruw’s elbow causing his problems this year. He was injured in late May, but he has swung like he was drunk all year. I have never seen a worse performance than his swings last night. No hope of contact and all Joe Morgan could do is rave about his 74 RBI. A blind monkey could have 74 RBI hitting cleanup for Chipper and Edgar. Lord, I hope he goes on the DL. All he’s doing by playing “hurt” is hurting the ball club. Maybe a stint on the DL would help him and the Braves.
By doc
August 13, 2007 7:26 AM | Link to this
thanks dave for the insightful comments on soriano. the guy is a killer and it was interesting for inquring minds. it seems to be technical and correctable rather than a tender arm or fatigue though one has to read between the lines.
ncscoots read your respnse and i assure you up and over the plate is not a good pitch and not anywhere close to where he wanted it. go back and check out the target that mccann was giving him at that point and i think you might see something low and away. there is a reason the target is there and it is the best indicstion of location for a pitcher. the two of them behind closed doors would laugh at the suggestion that that pitch to alou was where they wanted it and the scouting seport suggests that alou is a chest high fast ball hitter.
it is forgivable but it lost a game so make it for what it is. my criticism or more concern was meant more out of admiration than the thought he has become a dog, i dont play that game. he is still an awesome pitcher and a guy i like to watch closely when i get the chance. see it for how you want to.
dob, for him it seems like the guy really opened up for you as he has been pegged as among the stand offish types. thanks again for the approach to him to find out what is going on.
By doc
August 13, 2007 7:43 AM | Link to this
dob, those stats for andruw are scary and resemble some of the mediocre power hitters from the 60’s and 70’s, dave kingman type numbers and the guy whose name ecapes me that was the power hitter for the senators back in the real old days.
glad he can play defense but he needs to be dropeed further in the order as he is a rally killer right now and the fewer at bats he gets the better. strictly a liability at bat. i am a real fan of his and marvel at his defense. he looks so uncomfortable up there in meaningful situations it is almost sadistic to watch him in certain situations with a bat in his hand.
By Will
August 13, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this
Open Letter to Andruw Jones:
Andruw, i have always been a big fan. The 2 HR in 96 world series, all the great outfield plays, 51 homers in 2005, etc… but i cant take it anymore. You are a detriment to a playoff contending baseball. You kill any rally you possibly can whether thru stikeout or double play. You are so bad that most fans pray for a strikeout instead of a double play (you couldnt even give us that last Wed!) It was just great last night to see your batting practice sessions how you were working on driving the ball to the gaps, well then what the hell happens when the game starts?? You get no more free passes for your elbow pain, if it hurts that damn bad then ask out of the lineup cause Bobby sure as hell will not take you out. 4-24, countless men LOB, countless rallies killed on the last/biggest road trip. Thanks for all the memories, but good riddance and good luck somewhere else!!
By MEB
August 13, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this
Disappointing loss last night but lets hope the boys can break out the brooms here in Atlanta. I’m also hoping that Andruw can discover some physical reason why he can’t or shouldn’t be a able to play. He has to take some responsibility and get help. His stubbornness along with Bobby’s undying devotion are adversely effecting the team.
Smoltz and Huddy are due up next and this team needs a strong performance on the mound. Our bullpen has performed better than I expected and our bats are due for some major outbursts. I really think Chipper is the key and if he performs like an MVP this team will make the playoffs.
N8… I apologize for singling you out last night. Not like me to be critical of a veteran of the blog and one whose passion for the game is so great. You probably remember the 1993 season when our Braves came back from four and half back on September 1. Not saying this team is as good as that 93 team but they still wear a Tomahawk across the chest.
GO BRAVES!!!
By Will
August 13, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this
Road trip was okay, at this point i believe that both the Braves and the Phillies have a great shot to catch the Mets and i think the Phillies will find a way to p** it away (as long as they arent playing the Braves). I dont feel all that satisfied with 3-3 trip, but i cant deny they still gained a game in the east and stayed steady in the wild card. With Smoltz, Huddy and James going against the lowly Giants at home this week i believe that nothing less then a sweep is acceptable. I understand winning a series is always the goal, but they need to go beyond that this week, i wont buy any excuse for not sweeping. The only excuse i would even listen to is if Lincecum pitches a shutout Thursday. Its mid-August, its time to put together a few sweeps and make a move.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
Some observations about the posts from last night.
Chrisklob Thanks for getting back to me on the firefox thing. And no apologies are necessary. I think it is great that a “working man” could get out for some fishing.
Braveheart Am I included in the out-of-staters you took to task? If so, I couldn’t get to many games even if I still lived in Atlanta and I have to admit that(to borrow from Mac Davis)happiness was 285 in my rear-view mirror.
To all I don’t want to sound like a pollyanna but this was only one game. It ain’t like we fell out of the top ten and missed our chance for a BCS bowl. One game and we are right back where we were. Go Braves!!!
CL Most esteemed lady, I applaud you for taking an “offending” poster to the top. Thankfully, the post had been deleted by the time I got up to read them, but I’m sure it was “bad”. One thing “good” that has come out of this is that I don’t want any of my posts to be able to be “compared” to this trash. I have considerably cleaned up my act, and I hope you, and others, have noticed.
Now, on to baseball and some clean and “harmless” humor.
By ncscoots
August 13, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
doc, I don’t believe I claimed that the Alou homer was a good pitch, or that it was in the intended location; only that a swing at a pitch in that location is more likely to produce an out than a run. That’s all. I agree that the pitcher only missed the target by about two feet, LOL.
By ncscoots
August 13, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
Have folks forgotten players such as Belliard, only in the game for defense? All glove and no lumber? Where is the difference in keeping AJ in for his defense only? I’m not defending his putrid year, or even agreeing with Bobby on AJ’s continued presence in the lineup. I’m only saying that this lineup, as currently constituted, doesn’t need AJ to carry it, any moreso than those of yesteryear needed Belliard to hit .290 to be successful. So I can at least understand BC’s reasoning.
Anyway, might as well get used to it. Unless there is something seriously wrong with his elbow, he’s going to play, he’s going to bat, he won’t be pinch-hit for, and bloggers will continue to scream. To which Bobby will reply, “Hey, I got your angst right here, pal.”, and then pencil in AJ once again.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
Will,
Agree at least one series sweep is needed this week as Mets are away from Shea Jones Stadium playing the lowly Pirates and Nats.
Also agree that AJ needs to look in the mirror and ask himself if he is helping or hurting this team right now. You have to wonder if his teammates are thinking the same thing.
Paladin
I see your point about not panicking, but the head to heads need to be ground gaining. It can still be done but it seems like we’re sitting around treading water waiting for the Mets and Phils to drown. Hopefully, we’ll get a streak going, pass both so we’ll be talking about holding on to our lead in the East.
By Will
August 13, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this
ncscoots, I understand what you are saying on Andruw, but i actually think he is costing the Braves games with his bat. Sure, they dont need him to carry them by any means, but the way the lineup is constructed Andruw is coming up with men all over the place constantly and kills rally after rally. I swear i would rather have Rafael Belliard up right now then Andruw.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
ncscoots
All due respect, when we had guys like Belliard, we had the great pitching and when we found ourselves behind, we would pinch hit for him with guys like Tommy Gregg and Brian Hunter. AJ is sitting in the middle of a formidable lineup and is quite frankly an automatic out. I would prefer batting him 8th and keep the defense in tact.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
I agree, TB, and no one wants the Bravos to get on a sustained winning streak more than I do. But, it is not panic time, yet. Believe, and it will be so!!
By Yars
August 13, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
A little over 40 games left. 3.5 games behind the Mets & 1.5 games behind in the Wildcard. Sweeping the Giants would be sweet. The weekend series against the D’backs is going to be tough. I think Webb is pitching Friday against us. Talk about a hot starting pitcher. What a cannon of an arm Frenchy has. Maybe he has a chance at winning a Gold Glove? Anyone studying the NL Central standings? What a pathetic division. Keep an eye on the Cardinals.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
I will say that it was encouraging to see that AJ was working extra hard by taking extra batting pratice so that he can spray the ball around. Before, one got the feeling that he wasn’t even concerned about his slump. Now you can see it is weighing on him.
By ncscoots
August 13, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
Fellas, I’m not disagreeing with you re AJ in the lineup. I’m a level-headed, big-picture, it’s-a-long-season kind of guy, and he’s even got ME throwing beer cans at the telly!
But whatchagonnado? He’s in there, regardless, Bobby’s gonna hit him 6 against lefties and 7 against righties, regardless, and you just have to hope he picks it up or his teammates pick HIM up.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
And now, believe it or not, I’ve got to go get some work done. See y’all after while.
By dadgum
August 13, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
Hey DOB….good to check in again. You are the scribe du jour. Anyway, yeah the double play fiasco was a killer. I’m not laying blame on Escobar for that one though for two reasons. #1 he should have clearly been awarded the out at 2nd. Umpires give that when an oncoming runner is being avoided. Call it the phantom play if you will but 99% of the time it is an out. Not sure what Bobby was mad about at 1st. The runer was safe on a bang bang play. #2 a SS and 2nd base are timing plays. Prado appeared to double clutch the toss to Escobar and that had to throw off the footwork. Regardless we should have gotten one out there.
What is being lost I think is the error given to McCann on the steal by Rollins. Prado clearly has to come up with that. Not saying they would have gotten him I don’t think they would have but Rollins can’t end up at 3rd. That cost us a run.
The bottom line is that the bRaves simply did not play close to good enough to win and the injuries to key personnel is rearing it’s ugly head. I said many blogs ago that this team can’t win it without Edgar and I wil hold to that. If Edgar can come off the DL this week (after the 15 days)then that will be a HUGE boost. We’ll see.
With the Giants and D’Backs up next I think we have to sweep the Giants and win the D’Backs series to gain any appreciable ground. With relatively few games to go you can’t afford to lose sight of the Mets and expect to get a wild card as a consolation prize. A nip and tuck race with the Mets may bring the Wild Card to the East Division. Fall 6-7 games out and well we are toast. All the above is assuming Philly fades as expected. They will…..right?
After glancing at a few of the posts it seems the AJ talk is still ongoing. I think he truly wants to stay with the Braves and given his atrocious year he may well take a discount to do so. He sees Tex over there and a strengthened team plus Bobby and crew will be back which he loves. I think the bigger question is do the Braves want him back at anything larger than what they are now paying given they will have to try to sign Tex next year or sooner. Dealing with Boras (again)is not going to be easy.
Up here in Richmond we have Gregor Blanco who will almost assuredly be called up on Sept. 1st along with Barry and Devine among others. If Andruw is not retained I really look for the Braves to give him a shot at the starting CF position in ‘08. He is leading the IL in hitting and is fast and can flat play CF. He will come cheap and allow plenty of room to sign Tex and other stop gap areas of need. Like perhaps a staring pitcher.
Rock on……..remembering Duane Allman.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this
I feel bad for Escobar. That was a rough series. However, I’m not so sure last night’s game can be laid on him. First of all, the Braves had their fair share of chances to score runs. Aaron Rowand robbed the Braves of two hits that would have been doubles at least. Man, would it be nice to have that guy roaming centerfield next year. And, as Bobby Cox said, that ball Howard hit is a deep flyout in any other park in the majors except Citizens Bank and Great American.
By Caveman22
August 13, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
Everyday the same crap on here:
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this
Is there no brace or device that AJ could wear to lessen the pain by preventing him from overextending his left elbow? It may work to level out his swing. He doesn’t have to swing that hard to be effective.
By ncscoots
August 13, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
BTW, on a quick non-baseball note, I want to thank the blog for bringing Drive-By Truckers to my attention. Went to see them Saturday for the first time, and everything you guys said about them was spot on. Them suckers boogie, and that’s a fact, Jack. Appreciate it.
By TexasBrave
August 13, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this
Paladin - I too see your point about not panicing. However, we are seeing a tread here that is not going away unless the powers that be make changes. If changes are not made we will see the same things happen in October. Do you or anyone else believe that we can play the way we are now and have any chance at the playoffs let alone the East Division? I believe we are one move away from blowing away the competetion. And I am not talking pitching.
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 13, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
Another weekend, another 3 game lead for the NY Metropolitans. It’s seems like the NL East is in a state of “Ground Hog Day”. Every day seems to be the same. Oh well, I guess it’s better than being 3 games back……Right brave fans?
By N8....What the hell do I know?
August 13, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this
Wayne
I have not (as I stated, and you acknowledged), given up on this team. I’ve simply stated my opinion that IF they continue to play like this (throw out the won loss record as of late), meaning sloppy defense, brain farts, and pathetic numbers with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs, along with your 3 best hitters giving a setup guy a 5 pitch inning when you’re trailing by 2 runs, that we WILL NOT win a playoff spot, and if we do, would you have ANY confidence that it would be different than past post-season failures?
On paper (and statistically) we have one of the, if not THE most potent offense in the NL. On the field, it’s inconsistant and unspectacular.
Defensively, we’re pretty good, but make too many mistakes.
Do you want me to comment on the “decision making” of Bobby? Didn’t think so. :-)
MEB
Don’t worry about it dude. Last night there was less sarcasm in my posts than normal. Last night’s loss burned me up a little more than normal.
Buddy had a horrible 1st inning that wound up not being so bad (only 1 run), thanks to Jeff’s arm in RF. Then to have that potential double play grounder fall apart and be followed by Howard’s blast, was VERY disappointing. Just another case of another team FULLY taking advantage of a miscue, which it seems like we can’t do lately.
Not to mention Alfonseca and Gordon showing MASSIVE signs of emotion on the mound in their appearances. It just seems to me that our players gave up last night after the Howard HR. So excuse me for giving up on them last night.
When the team you’re watching seemingly quits in the 7th inning, why should the fans care?
Today’s a new day (be it an off day). So a “day away” should refresh my batteries a bit. Which could mean new found hope, or more energy to be negative and sarcastic. :-)
I can tell you this much. Getting 14.1 innings out of Lance, Chuck and Buddy against one of the teams we’re competing with for the division and wild card spot, is NOT gonna cut it. In fact, it’s ABSOLUTELY unacceptable, IMO. Escpecially with Soriano and Wickman being virtual unknowns right now in the bullpen, not to mention a night where Moylan was human and gave up a run.
So while Buddy did his best Houdini impersonation in the first inning yesterday, by allowing only one run in the 1st inning, needing around 40 pitches to do it, cost him going deeper into the game.
It’s jsut frustrating, nothing more, nothing less.
By Will
August 13, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Tampa, I thought the same thing about seeing Andruw taking extra BP, i wish he could carry it over to the game. I can knock him til i am blue in the face, but i dont think ATL will make the playoffs unless he can somehow take a turn for the better. Its definitely very easy to get the impression from Andruw that he doesnt care.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
The Braves are in this race. What kills and amazes me is how two similar situations can be looked at so differently. The Yankees are 4 games behind the Red Sox but people are already thinking the Red Sox may have to settle for the wild card. The Braves are 3.5 games back of the Mets and almost everybody on here is wanting to throw in the towel. Now, tell me who the better team is: Red Sox or Mets? Who is going to be the easier to catch.
Fact is, the Braves have to take care of business. I said the Braves could go no worse than 3-3 on this trip. That is what they did. People keep calling the road trip a failure. How can you call it a failure when the Braves gained a game in the standings? If the Braves gain a game a week, they will be in first place with two weeks left to go. I don’t know about you, but I will take that. Besides, I want the Braves to have to go down to the last week to get into the playoffs. Perhaps, they will actually go into the playoffs hot instead of coasting.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
Caveman22
It does seem like there is alot of complaining. My hope is that we start a streak and make much of that go away. Winning cures all OR most.
How many wins did Smoltz need to beat Tiger?
Whatever it is, the Braves should get it for him. I think human nature sets in when he pitches, that is, the number of runs needed will be minimal and guys tend to coast. You see that alot with other good pitchers as well.
By steelchair
August 13, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
DOB,
My first ever blog post to you. I’m sure this has been asked, but, what kind of pictures does Andruw have of Bobby Cox? It must be good stuff. I’ve defended Cox for many years, but, his loyalty to AJ is killing us. AJ is a flat out rally killer right now. And, to be honest, he’s not what he once was in center field either. He’s not getting to a lot of balls he would have in the past. Wouldn’t it make some sense to give the guy a week off? I’m betting we’re going to see something come of his Dr. visit here.
Either way, keep up the good work here. For my money you’re the best the AJC has to offer.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
No Chop Zone, it is very interesting to me that you are only on here the day after your Mets win which was only twice this week. Your team went 2-4 at home this week. The Braves handed the Mets their a**! The Braves should have swept them and you know it. I wouldn’t get to confident if I were you because the two best teams in the division just finished a series in Philly.
By Shoeless Bob
August 13, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
Cox’s blind loyalists are just wrong…………AJ sucks!!!!
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
I reiterate: Save the panic attacks for Paris Hilton when she is asked to speak at a graduation ceremony.
I’m gone(again).
By N8....What the hell do I know?
August 13, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
ncscoots
“Have folks forgotten players such as Belliard, only in the game for defense? All glove and no lumber? Where is the difference in keeping AJ in for his defense only?”
It’s a good point and a good question. However you asked “where is the difference”, which DOES have a definitive answer, IMO.
The difference, is one guy was a role player brought HERE for his defense and his veteran leadership. The other was KEPT here (when he could’ve been traded before he gained 10/5 status in 2006), because he allegedly was an offensive force based on his 2004 and 2005 numbers. Not to mention the fact that the lineup is/was essentially built around him, he was/is taking up over 15 percent of the ENTIRE TEAM’s payroll, and another 30 HR guy (LaRoche) was traded in the offseason for pitching help, based on the assumption that he might carry this team for a while.
THAT is the difference.
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 13, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
Robert(JITB)….Tell me who the better team is: Red sox or Mets? I’ll counter that question with my own. Who is the better team? Yankees or braves? There’s little doubt(unless you’re a braves fan) that the Yankees are a better team than the braves. Their records says so.
By GT
August 13, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
Perhaps the AJC should wait to title its blogs until after seeing whether the results they so easily predict actually come to fruition. Cormier’s magnificent return consisted of a 4 inning outing, in which he gave up 4 runs. Yes, his return could be big… for the Mets and Phillies.
A 3-3 roadtrip against the two teams ahead of you in the standings does not a champion make. The Braves are still “in the hunt”, but only because the prey is so weak. For the AJC blog titlers, how about a dose of realism for once?
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Does anybody think the righty vs lefty thing is over-rated? Especially against guys like Moyer. Seems to me it would be easier for a lefty who’s facing all righties, where his approach never changes. Guys like Glavine, IMO, fare worse against lefties, because it makes the changeup less effective. Same with Moyer last night. We have been throwing out heavy right handed lineups vs lefties all year and can’t seem to be consistantly effective. After watching Chipper and Tex lunging after all those changes, I wonder if it would have thrown Moyer to pitch to them as lefties.
By Belliard
August 13, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
At least Belliard could occasionally put lumber on the ball, unlike Andruw “Corkscrew” Jones. Belliard knew his limitations, Andruw has yet to realize that he has any, and while batting in the clean-up, “power” spot. Not Andrew’s fault however, his manager should move him down, sit him down, or send him down until he realizes that a 190 batting average doesn’t cut it in the “Bigs”. Besides, Belliard had 2 career home runs!
By Belliard's ghost
August 13, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
True caveman22, same crap, just hadn’t noticed that you’re here everyday.
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this
My first ever blog post to you. I’m sure this has been asked, but, what kind of pictures does Andruw have of Bobby Cox? It must be good stuff.
Steelchair For a first time poster, you have great detective skills. You might be asked to immediately report as a recruit to the SJA’s intelligence gathering army.
Since you asked, no one has yet wondered whether Andruw was now in possession of the damning photos passed on from Lockhart to Pete Orr. Since you asked, it makes perfect sense now.
When Pete Orr was sent down to the minors, there was much concern on the blog about what happened to those photos. Clearly, Pete Orrr must have misplaced them like Malik Sealy once did with his playbook in an airport. There was much concern that the chain of custody of those photos had been broken and that they might have fallen in to the wrong hands. If you remember Don Imus got his hands on Malik Sealy’s playbook and read it on the air.
It became clear however rather quickly that Julio Franco gained possession of those photos. Omar Minaya cut Julio because Julio, being a loyal Brave, would not divulge the contents. Julio then used those photos to blackmail his way back onto the Braves.
Then at the trade deadline, Julio was waived because he decided to pass the photos on to someone else. As a parting gift to a struggling friend, Julio passed on the photos to Andruw Jones.
Yes, Steelchair, it all makes perfect sense now. Thanks for clearing up our chain of custody concerns. Many of us had been hoping that Oscar would gain possession so he could become a fifth starter. Andruw is letting Oscar down.
Those powerful and damning photos might cause bad personnel decisions but they are much better off being kept in house instead of getting into the wrong hands of someone like the Mets.
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 13, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this
Robert The best two teams in the division just finished a series in Philly???? No matter what your opinion or bias is, the standings say otherwise. When the braves or philles are in first THEN you can make that claim. If the season ended right now neither would be in the playoffs. As for you question regarding when I visit this blog. I don’t blog very much on the weekends. As a husband and a father I have other obligations. I do most of my blogging during work hours. Those are some of the benefits of being the owner. I hope that clears that concern of your up.
By Renegator
August 13, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
Phillies have a better chance of winning the division than either the Braves or the Mets.
Once again - it is quite obvious to everybody but the homers - this is a .500 team. They are not going to make a charge this year - they are going to play .500 ball for the next 40 games and hope that is enough to win a spot to the post season.
By Caveman22
August 13, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
Amazing, Paladin even post when he is “gone”. Dude - your post might actually have more meaning if you didn’t try to answer everybody else’s comments. You must post about 50 comments a day - each one more senseless than the last.
Yesterday I told you to look up the word Hippocrite and then you used it in your next post - about somebody else. You are pathetic in your neediness and your baseball knowledge is lacking on so many levels. I would hope that you realize they way you appear to all others here.
Get a life DUDE!!
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
I’m a little suprised everyone is so upset. 3-3 isn’t great, but we had our back end in that ballpark. Can’t say I didn’t expect that.
The alarming thing is that the Braves have won 1 game since the all star break where they didn’t score 5 or more runs. That is sad folks. Every game you play isn’t going to be 7-6. You have to win 2-1 games once and a while.
The next 5 series are big. Need to win all of these series. To be honest, it would sure be nice to sweep a series. Haven’t done that since Pittsburgh at home.
By DAP
August 13, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this
i kinda feel bad for saying this, but i hope the MRI on andruws elbow shows something, and he is DLed. the game always finds him in our lineup.
last nights loss was the only loss on the road trip that i didnt feel like we beat ourselves. yes, it sucked to have andruw in the middle of the lineup, but this game was nothing like the other two losses we should have pulled out. we gained ground and lost it at the same time.
its been fun, but im ready for the escobar experiement to be over. ive really missed renteria the last couple of games. the defense, and the offense.
lets put andruw on the DL, get renteria off, and start some winning streaks. prediction: look for smoltz to step up big time from now till the end of the season. he will win 4 or 5 desicions in a row coming up.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
NO CHOP ZONE
I would like a Nutty Buddy and an Ice cream sandwich!
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
No Chop Zone, while I commend you on being a good husband and father, don’t use that as an excuse as to why you are not on here when your Mets lose. You weren’t spreading your good cheer much on here Wednesday or Friday. Hmmm? Wonder why that was? Oh yeah, the Mets lost to Braves on the previous day both times. And, the last I checked Wednesdays and Fridays aren’t weekend days. So, think of another excuse.
Right now the Yankees are better than the Braves but the Braves aren’t chasing the Yankees or having to compete with them. It is this simple, No Chop Zone. I don’t have any problems pointing out my team’s flaws. I do so quite reguarly here. But, you my friend, act as though the Mets are the best team in baseball. They are not. Not even close. You act as if the Braves and Phillies are a gnat that you have to merely swat away. The Braves have won 8 of 12 from your precious Mets. But, let me guess. That was all luck right? I’m sure the fact that your team has played sub .500 ball for almost half the year is just bad luck as well.
By Sockless Sam
August 13, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
So who is missing today? Some loser was supposedly banned last night.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 13, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
“Either way, keep up the good work here. For my money you’re the best the AJC has to offer.” - a blogger to dob.
well, dob is esteemed by this journalist and by almost every blogger, and dob has won two wurlitzers and one best of cox … but mark davis also works at the ajc and mark davis writes powerful stuff. to wit: “Henry is a regular mooch. He rises early, stepping quietly along Emory Drive in Druid Hills. Sometimes he’ll cadge a
handout from morning strollers, or put the touch on the guy picking up his newspaper from the driveway. Folks see him coming, they dig in their pockets.”
“But Henry has no tale of woe, no fictitious bus to catch if he can just scrape up enough money. Nor does he wag his tail, for Henry is not a freeloading stray pooch. No, this Henry is a young male Meleagris gallopavo, a wild turkey . . “ powerful stuff. not as good as dob but pretty good.
and doc is blogging and journalist would like to confer with doc about andruw’s elbow. journalist may have discovered the problem with the troubled elbow. more later.
and a blogger has been banned. what in the world did that blogger do? same blogger banned twice perhaps? time will tell.
By colin
August 13, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
The way the pitching matchups set up we cant be surprised we only won one game in Philly…We really have to win all 3 against the Giants , that would be HUGE.
By Will
August 13, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
Robert, Your 953 post leaves out the fact that the Yankees are a flat out better team then the Braves, that is why people say the Red Sox should be worried. the two situations are not comparable. No offense to the Braves here, but if they were battling it out with the Yanks or Sox they would be making tee times for october (same goes for any NL team, including the Mets)
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
Just returned(briefly)and have some catching up to do.
TampaBrave If you want me and other “regulars”(although I can’t and don’t speak for them)to talk to you, don’t talk to trash.
TexasBrave I believe we are one move away from blowing away the competetion. And I am not talking pitching. And what pray tell, would that move be? I am not being a wiseguy; I would really like to know.
N8(etc.) Your 10:09 was very thoughtful and good and I can’t argue with it. But, “we got to dance with the ones what brung us” or the ones that are still on the “dance-floor”, anyway. Otherwise, we run the risk of someone breaking into that old Dandy Don ditty: “If ‘ifs and buts’ were candy and nuts…” Succinctly put, we have to deal with what is(es) and not what if(s).
Finally, as I learned in Sunday School, yesterday: “Hippocrites” is actually spelled h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e-s. Others, who wish to seem even slightly intooligent, should learn that, as well.
By geauxbraves2000
August 13, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this
A 4-2 road trip would’ve made a bold statement. A 3-3 road trip just proves this team is no better than a .500 team, which the overall record is just about indicating. The offense is stellar at times, however seems to lack the clutch hitting when it matters (3x w/the bases loaded, none out and they don’t score). Smoltz is hurt I feel, and it’s starting to show, plus the offense doesn’t score any runs for him. Huddy is about the only reliable starter right now. The bullpen is not doing it’s job. This is not a playoff team. I’m not saying they can’t be, but they certainly don’t play like one.
Geaux Braves!!
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
DAP, don’t feel bad. In a weird sort of way so do I. I can’t lie. I wouldn’t mind seeing B. Jones called up and see what he can do for a couple of weeks. Lets be honest. It is not as if this lineup will miss Andruw and sure isn’t like B. Jones really could do any worse. I could go up there and strikeout two times a game and hit a couple of weak grounders.
By Sockless Sam
August 13, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
Looks like the “stinky” moniker is now available, and up for grabs! But the IP address had nothing to do with his demise, and I have a beautiful, sandy beach for sale at the North Pole.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
I’ll raise my hand; I said we’d have a 3-3 road trip. Who else? Woulda, coulda, shoulda in the three losses, too. Championship teams eventually start pulling the woulda-shoulda-coulda games out. I hope we start doing that soon. Only six games left against the Mets, trailing by 4 in the loss column; only six games left against the Philth, trailing by 1 in the loss column, and by the way, they’ve gone 6-3 against us since the opening sweep we put on ‘em.
I’m not saying the Braves won’t win the division, but for now, at least, get a good look at third place, kids, ‘cause that’s where we’re spending a little time for now.
We go home to take on the Giants for three (and Barriod’s hitting again), then the scorching-hot Diamondbacks. Then we hit the road to play the Reds (the awful team that swept us at home) and the Cards, with world-beater Rick Ankiel (good story, ain’t he?)
Meanwhile, the Philthies play the Nats and Pirates for three and three. They’re on the road, but still…
…then the soft-hitting Dodgers come to Philthadelphia, followed by the skidding Padres, with their non-offense.
By the way, the Mets get essentially the same opponents, only they get the Pirates, then the Nats, then come home to play the Pads and Dodgers.
Sure, I think we can hold our own against our upcoming schedule, but it is gettin’ late, and gettin’ later with every 3-3 swing. We’re 6-5 this month, and treading around .500 will not win the division, I don’t care who says otherwise.
We have 44 games left with 4 games to make up on the front-runners in the division; I say stop sweating the division and start eyeing that wild card, real good. Hell, we have to beat the Phillies, though. Pure and simple. They’re ahead of us in both races, and they’re out-playing us every time we face ‘em since that opening series.
Sure would be nice to get a 5-1 homestand outta this bunch, followed by a 6-1 road trip against to of the lesser-performing NL Central teams. You look at the contenders, right now, and they’ve all gone on hot streaks like that.
After our 7-1 start, we haven’t. Now we’re fortified with Teixeira, Mahay, Dotel (DL), et al, and we have to, ourelves, ‘cause time’s runnin’ short!
I’m just saying, if ya wanna claim we’ll win the division, have at it. Ballsy prediction, at this rate, and I commend anybody for having the grapes to say it with definity. I’m thinkin’ wild card - and only if we can do some better work against the Phils in our home park next time we see ‘em. Utley will be back by then, I believe.
By NO CHOP ZONE
August 13, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
Robert, It’s hard to have these kinds of discussions when you’re reading to much bull into my posts. Damn dude, do you not think I know my team has flaws? I never said they were the best team in baseball. I simply think they’re better than the braves or Phils. I was here on the blog last week and took sh-it for it. I posted on Friday and got the expected na-na-na-na-na-ah. Lastly, Don’t EVER-EVER accuse me of using my family as an exuse for not being here. What I said was fact. I’m sure your life doesn’t revolve around this blog and neither does mine.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
6 best teams in AL are better than the best team in the NL. It is very sad.
The Braves need to break off a 5-1 week at some point in the near future. 6-5 in the month of August. 7-5 since the Tex trade was announced.
44 games left. Not sure if 30-14 is possible. If they do pull that off, this team would be red hot walking into the post-season.
If we win every series than 30-14 is very possible, but lets be real folks. Winning every series is damn hard. We are going to have to sweep a series or two to make up for series lost. It starts this week against the Giants.
Smoltz vs Atchinson Hudson vs Ortiz James vs Lincecum
3 wins…..at least they should be.
By BamaBrave
August 13, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
I agree, Efrim…the current edition of the Braves reminds me of recent Yankee teams. To win, the score must be 9-7, 11-8, etc. But you lose the 3-2 games. A win is a win…but it’s not the style of ball we’ve become accustomed to around here.
By Thrillhouse44
August 13, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
Tough loss last night, but we had our fifth starter going. Buddy has been great, but can we really expect him to win twice as many games as he loses? It would be nice, but the guy can’t get it done every time.
By journalist jimmy smith, ink-stained ugandan
August 13, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
*perhaps it is the tattoo. * the web may be a little tight.
consider if that web is too tight
if the web is too tight for the elbow and is pressuring the elbow and causing andruw to alter andruw’s swing and sometimes fall down in the box and sometimes just miss the ball so badly that it appears andruw no longer cares. this too-tight tattoo may also impede andruw’s running down the line and be the reason for the underhanded throws to the infield.
perhaps tattoo removal is called for (sorry, scribe).
and whither carroll rogers to weigh in on this tattoo issue? oh, what a tangled web we weave …
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
By ncscoots August 13, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this Have folks forgotten players such as Belliard, only in the game for defense? All glove and no lumber? Where is the difference in keeping AJ in for his defense only? I’m not defending his putrid year, or even agreeing with Bobby on AJ’s continued presence in the lineup. I’m only saying that this lineup, as currently constituted, doesn’t need AJ to carry it, any moreso than those of yesteryear needed Belliard to hit .290 to be successful. So I can at least understand BC’s reasoning.
By ncscoots A bit late on this, but you may recall that Rafael Belliard didn’t exactly hit clean up either! ;) He batted 8th most of the time, IIRC. In fact, this may interest folks. I always thought of him as a long time, full time player. Know what the top number of AB’s he got in a season??? 353!!! Next highest is 285 Ab’s! And since he never once had an OBP. above .298, he didn’t walk much. After playing more or less full time during 91,and ‘92, he was mainly a Woodward kind of player, except Woodward is a better hitter!!! http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bellira01.shtml
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
I do most of my blogging during work hours. Those are some of the benefits of being the owner.
Spelling on signs at this storefront could be a problem.
By Hippocrite
August 13, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Ron Roberts can crawl out from under his bed now, I don’t think the sja would even consider wasting his time going after an insignificant droll like that anyhow.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
Will, my point was that the Red Sox are a better team than the Mets and anybody with one good brain cell could see that. Yes, the Yankess are hot and right now better than the Phillies or Braves but if you look at their pitching they have the same problem as the Braves and Phillies do. Look at the scores of most Yankee games. They aren’t winning games 3-2. They are scoring 8; 9; 10+ runs a game. Can they keep that pace up all year? I don’t know. Everybody is jumping on the bandwagon right now but their starting pitching is suspect. Clemens has not been all that. Mussina has struggled. Hughes is a rookie. And Andy Petitte has been inconsistent. You think the Braves bullpen has issues? Take a look at the Yankees. They are resting their hopes on a rookie (Chamberlin) to settle down that pen.
The Yankees took advantage of a very weak schedule and I understand they just swept the Indians but before we start making the Yankees the be all and end all lets see how they do over the next two weeks agaisnt the Angles, Red Sox, and Tigers.
By StingerSplash
August 13, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
Before I went to bed, I turned on GPB and they were running the old Johnny Cash Show and I swear to God he had on Blind Faith - I caught it in the middle and one guy looked and sounded like Steve Winwood and the other sounded and played like Clapton (who is God, so I guess I was swearing to him). Can’t say for sure that’s who it was - and it was already late - but maybe somebody knows for sure. And to whom did J.C. Romero sell his soul after his release by the Red Sox? His WHIP was higher than the Delta pledge class GPA. Also, if you don’t think one guy is to blame for two losses in a series, ask the Sox about Eric Gagne today.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
It is my feeling that Smoltz, short of a medical miracle, will either end up on the DL or remain on track of being the shell of his former self. Fortunately, his shell is better than most pitchers, but the last couple of times out I’ve seen him struggle and I know its because he has to nurse that shoulder. I thought his arm was going to fall of against the rockies. In that light, it is imperative that the rest of the staff man up. That definitely means that the 5th starter needs to reverse their current trend. Chuck James needs to go 7 innings consistently. Buddy should continue to do what he’s been doing before last night, although not all his fault.
Escobar will improve. He needs to learn when he needs to eat it and get more reps. With the high ankle sprain, I wouldn’t expect Edgar to ready too soon. He has to be able to move laterally or it will be another AJ situation where he’s hurting the team. Its important to put the most capable players on the field. Will definitely improve the PHs for now. Hopefully, he’s back healthy by September.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
I heard someone say yesterday the Yankees are 17-5 in their last 22 games. That is hot! Only team hotter is the diamondbacks, but we all know the Yanks are playing tougher teams.
What is really weird about the Yankees is to see them bring up youngsters to help them now. Philip Hughes was hitting 97 in his last start according to Peter Gammons. Don’t you wish we had a stud rookie who could do that??? Or how about a relief pitcher like Joba Chamberlain??? Heard of him yet??? Guy throws nearly 100, and has a John Smoltz slider!!!! Gammons said 3 baseball folks came up to him in the last week, and said Chamberlain has the best stuff in the A.L.!!! Yikes!
As much as one wants to hate the damn Yankees, you have to give them credit. They looked dead in the water a month or so ago, but didn’t trade the kids for a quick fix, and never gave up on this year. They may cool off, or they may just be the team to beat…they are the best team in baseball right now….
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Hippocrite… here’s an idea; know what you’re talking about before running your mouth. Do a little blog research and scroll the last few blogs and see who did and didn’t back down.
So question: did you purposely mis-spell hypocrite because you
A. Can’t spell, or
B. are a person large enough to have your own zip code?
Tell ya what, spanky, why don’t ya blog under a name that’s not concocted (today) out of thin air? Reveal who ya really are, and oh, by the way, talk baseball, instead of your meaningless drivel.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this
Hippocrite,
Slow day at McDonalds, eh?
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
First of all, No Chop Zone, I don’t have to accuse you using your family as an excuse when you did it yourself. Remember typing this: “As for you question regarding when I visit this blog. I don’t blog very much on the weekends. As a husband and a father I have other obligations.” Don’t get your Carlos Delgado underoos in a bunch. I wasn’t insulting you. I was merely pointing things out. I totally commend you for giving time to your family and not being like others on here who have nothing else to do with their lives apparently. However, you only come on here talking your smack when the Braves lose or Mets win. I’m sure I’m not alone in that perception.
Also, you don’t have to say direclty you think the Mets are the best team in baseball. The way you gush all over them does that. You are entitled to your opinion and as far as I’m concerned have every right to be here. But, don’t come on a BRAVES blog talking your crap and then run and hide after those subpar Braves took 2 of 3 from the Mets who in turn then lost 2 of 3 to the Marlins and played all of these games at home.
You were on here last night bragging about a 3.5 game lead. And? 3.5 games is not hard to make up. Ask the Yankees. Ask the Mariners. Ask the D-Backs.
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Thrillhouse, alot of fighting on here recently. Too many hands are all bloody from punching on the concrete.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts,,
Just saw Hippocrites post again, and perhaps he wasn’t really ragging on you. He said you were droll, but an insignificant droll! ;) The grease from all the fries at MickeyD makes his fat fingers slip and hit the wrong keys sometimes. That, or he doesn’t know droll from troll.
By TexasBrave
August 13, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
Paladin you seem to be a smart man, I don’t think you need me to tell you that it is AJ that is the change we need. Why do we have to dance with the ones what brung us” or the ones that are still on the “dance-floor”, anyway? We have players in the “dance” that can help us inprove as a team right now. Willie is not a better defensive outfielder than AJ, however, at this present time Willie is the better hitter. He will, most times than not, put the ball in play somewhere thus giving the team a chance to pick up some much needed runs to give support to a beleaguered pitching staff. Start AJ in the 8th spot and leave him in while we have a lead or until it is late and we need a good at bat to start or continue a rally.
By Jersey Gil
August 13, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
Hello Everyone: This weekend i was in the three games again the Phillis with my Wife….i loved to go to that Stadium, my two favorite stadium are: Turner Field, PNC park, and The Citizen Ball Park, but i have something to said about Phillis fan:You are the most idiot Fan in the whole world There are Drunk already enter the stadium and they go to the Stadium to eat and drink.On saturday in the parking lot they left more than 100 bottle of beer in the lot and garbage near my car, inside the stadium you can found anyone to talk about what going in on in the field, or talk about baseball…sitting next to me was this gentlemen and he said to me that i knew more about the phillis than him…i was wear a Braves hat.They boo there own player and the only they talk is about the tham Eagle Team. The citizen ball Park is one of the best in food, al lot of variety… For the Braves…i think they run out of luck…yes!!! Luck is part of Baseball to…And i don’t like that Platoon think that BC is doing in Second Base…let the Kid Play(KJ) he look great at second,and he can hit Lefty and Righty.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
Paladin
Are we Braves Fans not permitted to rip those from opposing camps? If not, what is the proper etiquette?
Agree with you that we should not panic until its time to panic. When that time comes, we all should gather in the bunker and bang the self destruct button. But that time has not, and hopefully will not come. If it should, than I shall be a loyalist and except my fate.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
Maybe so, Berigan. Maybe so.
One thing I think folks keep commenting about that shouldn’t be a concern, at least not right now…
…Smoltz is not falling apart. He had some shoulder soreness, but his last two starts, I believe, he pitched rather pain-free, and was able to pitch his side-sessions, too. That apparently gave him better command of his off-speed pitches, too, and he’s pitched well since.
He’s always going to be sore, though. The man’s a modern athletic marvel to still be playing at his age, so he’s going to have aches and pains.
But I don’t think Smoltzie will be DL’ed. He might not be 100% but he’s better at 65-75% than most of the pitchers in the game today.
By Lew
August 13, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
While I’m certainly not ready to join the Dark Side, There is one thing that has me totally perplexed-Why in the world is Andruw still in the lineup? It is painfully (yes, pun intended, as well) obvious that he is hurting in a major fashion. It shows every time he swings the bat. He is hurting the team and hurting himself. It mystifies me that BC is still writing his name in every day. For his own good, he needs to sit and heal. If it takes his first spell on the DL to do it, it will only be helping himself and the Braves if he were to agree. BC should have seen this by now. It’s not just a slump-He’s injured and it is certainly obvious to everyone else. Even the Optimists.
By Thrillhouse44
August 13, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
Braveheart, kind of the reason why I haven’t posted too much recently. Was that a My Mind’s Playing Tricks On Me reference? If so, well done. I’ve noticed a few Punks jumping up to get beat down.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
Why is everyone so bummed after last night?
We’ll be fine. This team is better than the Phillies or the Padres. We’re going to the playoffs.
KC
I read your post from late last night. Why are you ripping BC? Rip Andruw Jones. He has cost this team 10 games this year. BC hasn’t had his best year, but he is still better than any manager in the NL.
By Will
August 13, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts, I dont remotely talke Baseball Tonight’s word as gold, but they were saying late night on Saturday that Smoltz shoulder is still hurting alot, and he has not been throwing the splitter the last few starts, which obviously makes him a little more of a hittable pitcher.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
TexasBrave I don’t want to fight with you. We are just talking, right? I am just as disappointed in Andruw as everyone else; it’s just that I am not convinced that we would be better with Willie in CF. Maybe, someone from AAA, but Willie is not a CF, IMO.
By pinkygonzales
August 13, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
Two things that became apparent to me this weekend.
I love Matt Diaz to death and the kid can absolutely rake against left-handers. But the man cannot hit righties and that is the reason why he has spent so much time as a journeyman.
I like the fact that Escobar is getting his feet wet and playing eevery day and we are enduring those mistakes. But playing Prado and Escobar together in the middle was recipe for disaster. Play Kelly Johnson. Every day. While Renteria is out.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Lew, I perplexed as well as to why Andruw is in the lineup. Place him on the DL today. He would be eligible to come off two days before the Mets series at the end of the month. It isn’t like he is really contributing. Getting a couple of hits every 14 at-bats isn’t contributing. Yes, his defense is superb but what good does it do if he is killing rallies.
They need to call up B. Jones and see what he can do. They can move Francoeur to CF for the two weeks and place B. Jones in right. They can actually put Harris in CF on the days they play righthanded pitchers. The two weeks will give them a look at B. Jones on this level and they can see whether they need to go after somebody in free agency or if this kid can cut it. Two weeks isn’t a lot of time but its better than gambling and waiting to spring training.
By Will
August 13, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
Efrim, I agree with several of your posts today. I was saying after the loss friday i hope to god they dont get swept. I will take 1-2 in Philly’s sandbox ballpark. Braves always seem to be on the short end of those pop up homeruns in PHI and Houston. Sometimes i think they forget they are hitting at the same short porch. I think the Phil’s may be a little better team then the Braves, but i have no doubt in my mind they will p** it away. Braves need to go 5-1 this homestand.
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
I know Thrillhouse but we need you around. You’re always positive. And you’re the only one who gets those hip hop references. Well, anyways, here’s to Brand Nubian punching you in the face with the god damn bass.
By flange1
August 13, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Afternoon All,
Some Random Thoughts,
NCZ, stop whining about what someone says to you here. You are not wanted here haven’t you figured that out yet? Come back when the Mets win or the Braves lose and talk some smack then leave. Most Braves fans would be happy if you just left….Period. No interest in your thoughts on family, friends, etc.. Get it??
Ron R., I agree with you about Smoltz. I agree he is hurting, but the hurt is decreasing not increasing. IF he doesn’t hurt himseld again, then he should be around till the end of the season.
I am not happy we didn’t win the Phillies series, but we played fairly well, just have to step it up a notch. With the new folks on the team, it will take a few more games for everyone to get in sinc with the rest of the team. I think this offensive line up will be the best in the NL when Edgar returns. Our pen is getting better with the addition of Mahay and I think Soriano is getting better too. Even thohough he gave up a homerun in his last outing, it was the only BAD pitch of his inning. Cormier, looked OK, James and Carlisle are doing their jobs, we just have to WIN more games.
I think we will. Playoffs in 07.
How does that tatste Mets tool?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
By Renegator
August 13, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
This team will not make the playoffs with Andruw on the roster.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Pinkygonzales, regarding your first point, what are you talking about. Diaz hits both lefties and righties well. Heck, he hit righthanders better than he did lefthanders last season. Check the stats, man. As for your second point, I totally agree. That was a recipe for disaster. The only reason that Prado started was because he had been 4 for 9 against Moyer. They had an off day today and Johnson could’ve rested then. He should’ve started last night.
By ncscoots
August 13, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Will, it’s certainly possible Smoltz wasn’t throwing his splitter recently (he didn’t resume throwing on the side until just before his last start, so I’m assuming the shoulder was still tender). But that’s only an indication of how the shoulder WAS, not is. And I’d be shocked if the folks at BT actually watched film to see how many splitters the guy actually threw.
That’s more likely their riff on a scouting report of a single game, in which Smoltz perhaps didn’t throw splitters, but for any number of reasons that may or may not have been related to the shoulder.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts
No argument here on Smoltz’s capabilities. For the first time, I’m really seeing the fatigue on his face. I hope he continues to pitch well, but we can’t continue to expect him not to deteriorate. We all like and admire Smoltz, but age and injuries will catch up with anyone. This is the reason I supported the TEX trade, because this COULD be Smoltz’s last two seasons and I’d like to see him back in the series
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
MLBTradeRumors.com is reporting that Steve Trachsel cleared waivers.
Any takers?
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave I was referring to your 9:56 not your comeback to NCZ, which was rather witty, by the way. Talking to NCZ is sort of like correcting your dog: It should, and must be done, occasionally.
New subject. Where is Anders today? Maybe he reported to Santo Domingo. Someone check and see if Woodcarp is on his way to the Muts. He would have to hitch a ride in the back of a picks ‘em up.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Yeah, I heard ESPN say that, too, Will. But ESPN doesn’t “cover” the Braves; they get their info from the same people we do - the AJC and the internet, essentially. They’ll advance-scout ‘em before a televised game, but I can’t tell you how many times I’d hear Joe Morgan and/or Jon Miller bloviate about a talking point that was ancient news for Braves’ fans.
Baseball Tonight’s crew is only nominally better. Like I said, Smoltz is going to be sore, and he’s not going to be as sharp now as he was in April or May - I get that. But folks seem to be acting a Chicken Little role out, thinking his arm’s going to just fall off at the shoulder. He’ll be fine. He’ll pull through and give us his best. I may not have much confidence in Andruw Jones or Rafael Soriano in close-and-late situations with home run hitters coming up, but I do have faith in Smoltzie.
Like I said, I’ll take 65-75% effectiveness from him anyday.
By Joe Schmoe
August 13, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
Speaking of Brandon Jones…
Guess who went 6 for 12 with 3 doubles and a couple RBI’s over the weekend to bring their AAA numbers to…
.344/.375/.515/.963 4HR/13RBI/3SB
If Andruw needs some time on the DL(and I really doubt it’s going to happen)…
By Lew
August 13, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
Will-Interesting. I was listening to Kevin Kennedy last week on XM Homeplate. He had just done the commentary on the Braves games on ESPN last week. His take on Smoltz was that he was finally feeing better-he cited his ability to throw between starts last week (first time in several starts) and the use of his breaking balls, whose movement he said were dependent on Smoltz being able to throw between starts. He did not think Smoltz was injured-just the opposite-he was feeling much better. Now Kennedy is what he is to one and all, but he was a manager and a ML catcher. I would rely on his commonts and observations before anything or anyone else on Baseball Tonight. I think we just have to face the fact that Smoltz is over 40, has thrown at high speed for years, throwing a splitter as well, and has had several arm surgeries. He is no longer the ace we think he is (though he is not ready for the scrap heap and his motivation counts for much, as well). He is still the consummate gamer My concern for Smoltz is not making it through this year, but the continualtion of his career beyond 07.
By Anders
August 13, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
Paladin I hope you and your fellow bloggers didn’t miss me too much this weekend as I was out on eastern Long Island enjoying the sun and surf of another beautiful weekend. While I have TV out there to watch the games unfortunately no internet access unless I go to the local Starbucks which is annoying to do. Anyway, I’m suprised at all the gloom and doom on these blogs. I don’t think much has changed at all either positively or negatively for either team other than the dwindling calendar. From the Mets side I just haven’t seen the drive to pull away from the pack when they’ve had the chance. I think they have the horses but something from the passion side is lacking. If they just tread water this week with the Nats and Pirates on the schedule then it will be a dog fight to the end. I thought the Braves did OK at 3 - 3 on the road especially with 2 of the wins against the Mets. You can’t judge your team in that bandbox in Philly. You just play the games, hope for the best and move on. This week is big for the Braves at home though. Question - What’s the word on the response Bonds will get there? I assume not good but I’m not sure how people feel about it in Atlanta.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
As Will mentioned, they talked about Smoltz the other night. Buster Olney said a few scouts had noticed Smoltz just wasn’t throwing the splitter anymore. And it makes sense. I remember a few years ago there being a mini revolt against the splitter, as it seems to put more stress on the shoulder(Not to mention how some pitchers had problems with nerves in their hands spreading their fingers so wide)
As for Andruw playing…we all questioned him playing when he stunk, but for him to play when every single swing hurts his elbow, that just is plain stupid!!! At the bare minimum, he should have sat for a few games. I know, a big series was just completed. Couldn’t possibly use Willie in Center for a few days, he might make an error! Plus, could Willie have hit the robust .154 Andruw did over the last 6 games???
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave… you do realize he’s 40 years old, right? Pitching 5-6-7 inning ballgames, with mostly fastballs, is a good workload for anybody, and that “fatigue” would show up on just about anybody’s face in sweltering August nights.
By ernesto
August 13, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
Steve Tracshel? Why?
By Anders
August 13, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this
Paladin Classy move by the Braves in yesterday’s NY Locals. They took out half page adds congratulating Tom Glavine on his 300th win. They had a picture of him in his delivery wearing a Braves home uniform. Nice touch.
By Will
August 13, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Everyone, agreed on the Smoltz health topic. I was just saying what i heard, i obviously know Bball tonight is far from an expert on the subject. I love Smoltz and hope he can make it thru healthy, i also loved him in the on-air interview during the game last night. Especically the “we have to quit giving away games comment”
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Shaun called and said he’ll be in as soon as he closes a deal on a Spectra.
By TexasBrave
August 13, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
Paladin for sure this is a gentlemanly conversation between two guys that love their Braves. Your right, Willie is not a better CF than AJ. However, it is my opinion that AJ is now costing us more runs with his non-bat than he is saving being our CF. Remember I still say start him, but take him out when offense is needed more than D. I would also hate to bring someone up from AAA this late into the season. Early on, absolutely, but not in the middle of a pennant chase with the pressure on.
BTW I am not up on all the abbreviations. What is IMO?
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
Matt Diaz is batting .347 vs. lefties, and 333 against righties….
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5595
By ernesto
August 13, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
I’m not one to promote the nattering nabobs of negativity but even though this team has gone 8-12 or so, it still hasn’t reeled off a big 6 to 8 game win streak (or more would be preferable). And I think a lot of people here think that is what it’s going to take to win this thing.
Keeping pace with the Mets, and swapping places daily with the Phils isn’t going to get it done.
At some point, we’re going to have to make a move.
And this team with its 3-5 guys hasn’t shown the capability to put togheter a long win streak, I think that’s where a lot of the blog frustration comes from.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this
Anders, thank you for posting a good intelligent and objective post. I know you are a diehard Mets fan and for you to give an objective view of the Braves week is appreciated by me if nobody else.
I also like your take on the Mets and their passion. I have said the same thing. They just seem to be going through the motions. I do think part is that from the fact they don’t take the Braves and Phillies that seriously.
By pinkygonzales
August 13, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Robert, maybe you are right about Diaz historically, but he has looked terribly uncomfortable against righties lately. Maybe that is because he rarely sees them, but I had no confidence whatsoever that he would even make contact with Alfonseca. But then again, he looks uncomfortable all the time right before ripping the cover off the ball.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
Why Steve Trachsel? Because he was pretty damned effective for the Mets last year, for one thing. For another, he’sa veteran starter capable of going 5-6 innings per start (think: #5 starter) and trotting his 4.31 career ERA out there to keep us in the game.
Hey, I’m not sure that Lance Cormier won’t do well; in fact, I think he did alright Saturday night. And I’ve been saying all along before him that Oscar Villereal should’ve had a shot at the spot. But if Lance doesn’t come around, and if we’re not going to use Oscar, then Trachsel certainly wouldn’t be an embarrassment.
By Lew
August 13, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
Ernesto-I agree. Why, indeed?
By Will
August 13, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
Part of me wants to say give somebody/anybody a chance at 5th starter including Steve Trachsel, but the bottom line is that guy was an average pitcher in his prime let alone now, he sucks and would not help. Also, Is this Would you rather keep Andruw or Tex article/poll the AJC’s idea of a sick joke?? I started laughing when i saw that headline and laughed even harder after i added my vote to Texieria 90% in the poll!
By Lee in S. GA
August 13, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this
NO to Steve Tracshel….all he will do is make us slowly suffer watching his ERA rise steadily. I just as soon the Braves take their chances W/O him.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this
Thanks for reminding me about that comment, Will.
Smoltz seemed to have the same sentiments a lot of us have here; he said the Braves had to stop giving away games, and damn if I didn’t think to myself “hmm, if one of us bloggers said it, we’d just be labeled as pessimists.”
Carroll posted a blog a few days back questioning the “championship nature” of this team after losing so many close (and extra inning) games, and I think what Smoltz said last night is telling in that he, too, believes that teams making (and succeeding in) the postseason have to learn how to start winning those games.
Alot of us have been saying it, and Smoltz said it, too. Say what ya will about the guy, but he’s human, he has emotions and he ain’t afraid to say what’s on his mind.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
Can you imagine a fairly hot young actress being such a big baseball fan she has a baseball blog??? Me neither….must be Billy Crystal who is really doing the blogging! ;)
http://alyssa.mlblogs.com/alyssa/
By journalist jimmy smith, ink-stained ugandan
August 13, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
the nice review on stadium concessions was most entertaining and made jimmy smith search the internet for an appropriate cheese review. here is what journalist came up with (sorry, scribe).
Lancashire Cheese Review May 22nd, ‘06 We tried Kirkham’s Farmhouse Lancashire and I really liked that. Semi-hard and a little crumbly. Sweet when you first bite into it, but with a slight sour finish. Lots of depth.
It’s also supposed to have excellent melting properties so I decided to try some Welsh Rabbit for the first time. I don’t think I like Welsh Rabbit. When I could have grilled cheese or even cheese on toast, I don’t think I’d go to the bother of making the beer and mustard cheese sauce thing. And even if it wasn’t a bother I’m not sure I like it.
The cat loves Lancashire. Maybe not as much as he likes the Cotswald, but it’s certainly on his yummy list. This was rather surprising since he usually won’t even try the milder cheeses. Or maybe he was just really hungry.
there, blog horizons continue to expand.
and where is mark davis on the difference between welsh rabbit and welsh rarebit? and does it matter? and if dob and the other journalists eat welsh rabbit do they talk funny afterward? and is the fight on or off? this blog has become hostile territory for some. incoming …
oh, the humanity! oh, the humanity!
By ernesto
August 13, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts it was precisely that thinking that led to the Mark Redman debacle. We don’t need a sequel to that disaster.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts
Yes, I agree with what you are saying mostly. Actually, the heat should be helping his ailment since he is well conditioned. As it gets colder though, he may face more difficulties with the shoulder. I think we agree on more than we disagree. I just think the rest of the staff needs to pitch like he’s not going to be there. A good exercise whether he’s there or not.
Braves Fans
I paid close attention to the ESPN broadcast and I did not catch anything Joe Morgan did or said to make me think he was incompetent. I know last week everyone was ragging on him. You wanna talk about has beens, look no further than John Madden, who drivels all over the place. I thought Morgan was pretty sharp. He knows the game and doesn’t over-analyze everything. His partner stammered on a bit though.
By Joe Schmoe
August 13, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
I’m pretty sure Smoltz stopped throwing the splitter as much when he came back as a starter 2 years ago and not just a couple starts ago. He talked about using/developing his changeup more and using it in situations he’d normally use his splitter(against lefties).
I can only recall a few situations over these past couple years when he was throwing a split and they were one or two a game, in crucial situations. There have been few games where he came out and threw it consistantly.
I know it does hurt his shoulder(he said as much after a game in LA when the splitter he threw in the 6th inning got past McCann instead of ending the inning and his night), but I’m also pretty sure he’d stopped throwing it with consistancy when he became a starter. He knew the injury risk and wanted to be as safe as possible.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 13, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
Ok, don’t want to run the risk of Caveman’s wrath of too many posts in one day, but here is an article on the Outfielders who will be free agents this winter. Writer seems to think Andruw will have no trouble finding a home next year. Hope that is true…with another team. I fear a one year contract with a slight discount.
The part on Andruw….
*THE STUDS
The group’s headliners are Atlanta Braves center fielder Andruw Jones and Minnesota center fielder Torii Hunter, who will be the most sought-after players by teams (Red Sox, White Sox, Rangers, etc.) looking for center fielders. Jones has had a down year, his batting average lingering around .200 for most of it. But our GMs predicted that it wouldn’t have too much of an impact on his eventual price tag.
“You know what you’re getting there — a guy who can hit 40 home runs and catch absolutely everything,” one of them said. “Plus, you know the agent (Scott Boras) is already working on his projections about how young he still is (30) and when he projects to get to 500 home runs, 600 home runs, all that. He’ll do just fine.”*
http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/graziano/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1186893388111330.xml&coll=1&thispage=1
By Anders
August 13, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
Robert JITB I think the Mets take their cue from Randolph. Remember where he came from. The Yankees, who pride themselves on never letting anyone see them sweat. That sure paid off for them this year. However, the Mets don’t have the same depth of players the Yanks have to wait it out.Randolph keeps talking about “his guys”. That’s a Parcells thing that Torre picked up and uses.I think Minaya was trying to prod Randolph to make an example of one of “his guys” right around the All Star break when the Mets were deep in a sleep walk. When Randolph wouldn’t, Minaya fired Randolph’s best friend the Hitting coach Rick Down. Randolph responded by bouncing Julio Franco who was a Minaya guy that Randolph never cared for. This is not just me speculating, most of this has been talked about by the Mets beat guys. It’s more of a false confidence than anything in my book. They haven’t earned the right to act that way by winning one division title.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
Ernesto, it was also that (kind) of thinking that netted the Braves quality starting pitching from Jared Wright, Buddy Carlyle, John Burkett, and for awhile, John Thomson and Paul Byrd.
Hell, a lot of us would’ve raised holy hell on this blog if the Braves had taken a chance on Paul Byrd (again), but look at what he’s done this season for Cleveland. Actually, Byrd’s 10- with a 4.50 ERA, which is only .35 points lower than Trachsel. Trachsel wouldn’t be a bad guy to trot out there as a 5th starter, I’d think, because he seems to pitch just well enough for an offensively-strong team to win. Seemed to work when he was with the Mets in recent years. He’s pitching for freakin’ Baltimore, folks…
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this
On my short list of Sports Icons that I admire the most, 1) Roger Staubach 2) John Smoltz 3) Hank Aaron 4)Tom Glavine
5) Dale Murphy
By Joe Schmoe
August 13, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
Did anyone else notice Brett Myers talking towards home plate with Willie at bat last night? I may be way off on this one, but dude looked like he was yelling something at Willie with every pitch.
By Lew
August 13, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
RonRoberts-Why not Steve Trachsel? Could it possibly be that in the past two years he has pitched 285 innings, given up 319 hits, walked 140 batters while striking out only 120, while posting a composite ERA of 4.91, averaging 5.1 IP per start? Exactly why do you think that record will spell success for the Braves? If he was that good, the Mets would have resigned him instead of adding Chan Ho Park and Jorge Sosa.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
The bottom line with this Braves team is that they are very talented and easily a playoff calibur team. BUT if they don’t have some stretches where they win 5 of 6 while still winning series the rest of the way, they won’t make the playoffs.
It starts this week with the Giants and D Backs. Giants stink and Arizona is overrated. 5-1 would put this team at 67-57. Have to start going on a winning streak that is longer than 3 games. Even though we face the Reds, Cards and Marlins after this home stand, I can’t think that we will dominate those teams until we actually do so.
By Jersey Gil
August 13, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
This is my Prediction for the next 16 games, before the Braves faces the MET & PHILLIS, again at Home in sept. The Braves have to go 11-5, The Mets 10-6 and the Phillis 10-6….The Braves will gain just a 1 games at the Stading 2/1/2 before the Aug 31 series again the Mets and Phillis…The Braves will come back and win 2 out of three in both series and be in Top in NL East and the Wild card, Before going back to NY.
By N8
August 13, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
geauxbraves2000
Your 11:27 post says it all. You couldn’t be more right.
This team CAN be a playoff team. The talent is there. At times they look unstoppable. Other times they look like the AAA affiliate of the D-Rays.
Like I’ve said all along, I hope DOB is right and this team goes on a roll and wins the division or even the wild card.
But as this team stands right now with injuries and consistancy, I don’t see it.
So until they prove me wrong, I’ll keep rooting. But I sure aint holding my breath waiting for them to win 18 out of 25, much less sweep enough series in a row to put together anything that resembles a 8-12 game winning streak (a STAPLE of the winning Braves teams of years past - they ALWAYS had a big winning streak in them to seperate from the pack, or close the gap).
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
As for a future centerfielder, I think, given the ball park we play in, we need a speedy lead-off hitter. We have been so accustomed to AJ and his big bat, we keep looking to replace his bat and skills with one similar. But CF naturally begs for a guy with speed and a guy with speed and a solid bat could easily lead off for this team. We haven’t had a true lead off hitter since Furcal left. Remember Brett Butler?
By Del
August 13, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
I’m sure I am in the minority but here goes anyhow: My eavuation of Tex so far is disapointment. Fielding I would call above average, but not super. Batting (after the first 3 games) a big disappointment. Too few hits with RISP, not much power. Hard to say how much protection he has offered CJ. IMHO. Also, “rookie” mistakes by YE have been disturbing. I hope his cocky attitude doesn’t get in the way of taking advice and becoming an all star SS. IE: using his cannon arm (which occasionally sails on him) when less than that would have been fine and produced a more accurate throw; and missing the bag on the front end of a double play.
One more thing. If you are reading the blogs AJ, please ask BC to take you out of the lineup so you can heal. You are killing us right now, and BC sure as blazes isn’t going to sit you, you are going to have to do it yourself for the good of the team.
By ernesto
August 13, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
RR - Burkette, Wright, etc. came here and got flourished under the ATL system. If I remember correctly, Leo changed Wright’s approach, put Burkette on a long ball regimen to rebuild arm strength, etc. There seemed to be an element of “we see somethign we can fix” not let’s just roll the dice again on another has been.
Just say not to “Washed Up Junkballer 2.” Hopefully not coming to a ballpark near you.
By Shaun
August 13, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave,
Morgan didn’t say anything exceptionally weird last night that I noticed, either.
He did make it a point to say he was invited to the celebrity golf event Smoltz, Hudson and Francoeur are participating in but could not attend because he’s playing in a celebrity tournament.
He also made it a point to say he was in his jacuzzi when Bonds hit his 756th homer. Just little things like this drive you crazy.
Oh, I just remembered, I think he did talk about Rollins as an MVP candidate. Rollins in a fine player, don’t get me wrong, but he’s at most the third best hitter on his own team and may only be the fourth or fifth best.
Maybe it’s just me, but I would want a lead-off hitter to at least rank in the top 100 in OBP before I considered him an MVP candidate. Fine player, but not an MVP candidate in my book this season.
By Lew
August 13, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
RonRoberts-Yes, Smoltz did hit the proverbial nail on the head with his comments last night. Never mistake the optimism expressed by some here as blindness to the Braves’ problems. When we gripe about negativity, it has nothing to do with taking a realistic view of the situation. What bothers us is the constant posting (15-20 times each and every evening for several months), constantly ripping on the Braves-the rant never changing and never easing up, that seems to be the habit of numerous bloggers. There’s such a thing as a realistic viewpoint and frustration (believe me, even the optimists are frustrated), it’s the continuous rant, constantly beating on the expired equine-even on the nights where the Braves win. We expect it from the Trolls and Mets fans, but shouldn’t have to hear it so consistently from Braves’ fans. Sometimes you need to step back, open the curtains and let a little light in through your window. All the darkness will just warp you.
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
Del, you have got to be freakin’ kidding, right? Seriously, you cannot possibly believe that Tex has been a “big disappointment” with “not much power.”
I don’t even know why I’m addressing this. You can’t be serious. You just can’t be. Please tell me you’re not.
Teixeira has four homers, two doubles, a triple and 12 RBIs in his first 11 games for the Braves. He has hit .291 with 17 homers, a .388 OBP and a .535 slugging percentage in 89 games this season.
Seriously, what are you watching? “Very little power?”
Wow. I mean, four homers and 12 RBIs in 11 games is very little power? Let’s wrap our brains around that one a while. Thanks for the evaluation.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
Lew, Chan Ho Park’s now pitching for the Astros’ AAA team in Round Rock, but he was with the Mets’ AAA team in New Orleans before that.
I’m not suggesting that Steve Trachsel would be a freakin’ Cy Young candidate, folks, but the guy’s a veteran who pitches better than anybody else we’ve had in the 5-spot.
I’m just saying, IF Lance Cormier doesn’t come around (he did alright Saturday, let’s see one or two more starts before we judge….), what are our options for the 5th starter?
Oscar Villareal? Apparently not; it’s August, the guy’s sporting a 3.55 ERA and pitched in 43 games. Of course, we’re only 12-31 in those games because he’s been relegated, most of the season, to blown-out mop-up duty.
So who else? Ryan Drese? He’s pitched 2 games, 3 innings total - for Myrtle Beach.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
9-7 the next 16 games would be unacceptable. I would be pretty heated if we did that.
We would be 71-63 with 28 to play.
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
Scoots, where’d you see the DBTs? One of the best live bands going, no doubt. Wouldn’t you agree?
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
Y’all are real quick to trash the idea of bringin’ Trachsel in for the 5th spot, but who else would you recommend? That’s my point…
…and I’m not crazy about the guy, either. But for a 5th starter, he might not be a bad pickup.
By Shaun
August 13, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
Del,
I hope you are just trying to get everyone fired up. Teixeira has played in 11 games. You really want to judge a guy who has been one of the most productive hitters in baseball almost since day one by 11 games? Think you need to find a new sport.
TampaBrave,
Not saying the Braves should re-sign Andruw, but so what if they haven’t had a “true” leadoff hitter since Furcal. The two years since Furcal has been gone the Braves are going to rank in the top three in the league in runs scored both years. Looks like they are doing just fine without one.
By Jersey Gil
August 13, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
DOB DEL is watching from another Planet…he is confuse with Texeira….not only he has Power but also in the last three games there was a few bomb that they cut in a good play….Rowand cut one in between the gab ….
By Jersey Gil
August 13, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
DOB i was in the three games this weekend and didn’t not saw your posting for Utley t-shirt….My Wife love Chase….she is a Big Phillis fan…Did you Still got it?
By Lew
August 13, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
RonRoberts-And just who would you be willing to give up for this supposed paragon of pitching performance? Maybe Brandon Jones and Brent Lillibridge? Perhaps Tommy Hanson (you know Efrim would have a coronary over THAT one) or Dan Smith? Dude-The guy has not been remotely effective for the past two seasons, would have to clear waivers and then you would have to give up decent young prospects for what? A pitcher who walks more than he strikes out. A pitcher who only goes an inning more than our rejects to this point. A pitcher who gives up way more than a hit per inning pitched (not to mention all those he walks). A pitcher who has an ERA just slightly to the positive side of 5 Runs Per Nine. Add to this the fact that he is the slowest pitcher in the history of MLB. A pitcher known as the Human Rain Delay. Are you serious?
By Shaun
August 13, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
Apparently Del is not familiar with the term nor the concept of SAMPLE SIZE.
By Jersey Gil
August 13, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
We have two…but we need another one for my Dog….My dog have a Braves bendatta and my wife want another one.
By Anders
August 13, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts As a Mets fan who watched Traschel pitch the last few years you have to take his numbers with a grain of salt. He is an all or nothing type pitcher. When he’s off he gives up lots of long balls and 5 runs quickly. Those days he burns up your bullpen. Other days while he takes absolutely forever to pitch he can give you 6 or 7 good innings. He can keep a high powered offense close. I think he could help the Braves in the stretch. I wouldn’t take him on your playoff roster but he could help in September. I’d take him before Wells or Chan Ho Park who are both definetly done. I think the Mets would’ve taken another flyer on him except he left the team during the stretch run and a playoff game last year for personal reasons and now they won’t let hi in the park again.
By Jersey Gil
August 13, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
DOB Did you eat in the Rib Fest saturday outside the Stadium?….all you can eat Rib…was yummie
By NCBravesFan
August 13, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
Ok, so the Braves just went on the road and went 3-3 against our prime divisional competition, gaining a game on the leader in the process.
With one or two exceptions, we faced those team’s top of the rotation guys. In the Phillies series, we went 3-4-5 against two of their three best.
We have 40-some-odd games left and we are four out in the loss column - and 1 1/2 games out in the wild card.
What exactly is the problem, and why all the negativity?
3 1/2 out with 10 games to go is a problem. 3 1/2 out with 44 games to go is anyone’s division to win.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
Let’s see, Del, if Tex can only hit 4 homers in 11 games for us, that averages out to….
58.9 HRs, 29 doubles, 15 triples and 176 RsBI in a 162-game season.
Yeah, what a let-down he’s been. Sheesh.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Entertaining Steve Trachsel for the Atlanta Braves rotation…… Boy, we have come a long way folks.
Lew
Tommy Hanson is awesome. You know it bro. Cole Rohrbough is awesome as well. Maybe he will be like another left handed Cole that is in the NL East…..
I can dream, can’t I?
By Miss Manners
August 13, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
“Rowand cut one in between the gab ….”
Unbelievable!
By The Grinch
August 13, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
Anders, I will be at Thursday night’s game and I WILL be booing Bonds. I’m trying to get a diabetic friend to loan me some syringes.
TampaBrave, you said Morgan does not over-analyze things? My goodness. I agree that he isn’t incompetent; far from it. What bothers me about him is that he thinks he knows so much that he doesn’t need to take notes on the teams he’s actually talking about from night to night; he just goes on what he heard or what he saw last time he watched them which might have been several months previously, etc. He talks over people who disagree with him or point out that something important he just commented on was completely off-target…then it’s a not-so-subtle “I’m Joe Morgan, HOF member of the Big Red Machine and I poop ice creeam; who the ^&%# are you? Go get me a soda.” There have been times I’ve enjoyed having some complicated or unusual aspects of the game broken down for me, but it’s outweighed by the absolutely CONSTANT narcissistic rambling, much of which has nothing to do with what you’re watching. It gets old quick, to me.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
Lew, the guy cleared waivers with nobody claiming him. I can’t imagine the Braves would have to give up much.
Hey, and for the record, here, I just tossed his name up as a thought. Y’all can stop trying to pummel me like I’m the GM and I just made the deal. LOL. I just saw he and Josh Towers cleared waivers. Hell, so did David Wells. Big deal.
But the fact remains, we gotta figure out the 5-spot STILL. It’s middle of August and we still have to figure out the 5th starter in our rotation.
He’s a veteran guy who posted decent numbers (and uh, racked upwins) for the Mets last year because they’re high-powered offense was able to pull through. He kept ‘em close enough, more often than not, to do that.
Now we have the high-powered offense. I don’t think adding him would be this horrendous, Redman-like catastrophe. I don’t think he’d pull a Jaret Wright for us, either, but hell, I’d settle for a 5-6-7 inning 4-5 ERA guy at this rate. The worn-out bullpen would, too, I’d bet.
By Anders
August 13, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Lew Did you hear what Smoltz said when the ESPN guys commented that Tiger Woods was able to win the PGA championship game yesterday to cement their bet? Smoltz said “Well he’s got a good bullpen”. I’m sure he was just complementing Tiger’s ability to close out on Sunday but I did find it ironic he would point to that aspect of his game. Nothing subversive here just a comment on an observation.
By AZBravoFan
August 13, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
Have the Braves won ANY ESPN games this year? They sure haven’t put on a very good show for the national audience this year have they? The pitching continues to be worrisome. If the back and of the rotation can’t hold it together, it makes it nearly impossible to win back-to-back series against 2 tough teams. This week was a perfect example. With Smoltz and Huddy only able to go in one series, it’s tough to keep it going in the next one with #3-4-5. And they had the misforture of having to use Carlyle in both series. No offense to Buddy who’s been a godsend, but he’s not your go-to guy in a tough series. Down the stretch they’ve got to have guys that can keep it close at least into the 6th so this offense can do it’s thing. Then we’ve got to hope Soriano can get it figured out. Lots of questions, but I think the answers are more available than last year.
By NCBravesFan
August 13, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this
Ron -
Trachsel’s not a bad idea at all, if JS and BC think they should add a starter vs. taking a chance on Cormier finishing out the string. Guy’s averaging 6.2 innings per start. He also pitched two fine games against Boston recently, including one with 0 ER.
Good call, man.
By Miss Manners
August 13, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this
Pooping ice cream? Cutting one between the gab? What is happening on this blog? Leave your bathroom humor at home!
I must admit I did enjoy the nice cheese review posted earlier by another blogger. I’d much rather read a nice article about cutting cheese than be exposed to these other juvenile posts.
By Kentavo
August 13, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Just saw on mlbtraderumors.com some speculation that braves might try to dump hampton in swap for contreres who has cleared waivers.
By Anders
August 13, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts With all the teams that are in the playoff hunt I’ll be suprised if Traschel doesn’t end up on a contender before too long. Plus I’m sure Uncle leo can give JS the skinny on wether Trachsel has anything worth taking a risk on. Won’t cost more than a mid range prospect.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
TexasBrave I just rejoined after my nap. Forgive me if anyone has told you but “IMO” stand for “in my opinion” and it is one of the few abbreviations that I know, so I use it all the time. :-) Since we are as close as I think we are going to get, let’s call it a draw, OK?
Anders Glad to hear you had a nice weekend on Lawg Guyland. I have been there a few times and it is really a beautiful place. But, so far as I know, the only way to get there is through at least part of NYC. Bummer! And the traffic!?! Bumper bummer!
By Salty
August 13, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
Anders I’d guess that call between Leo and JS took place already…maybe before Trachesel was officially on waivers!
By jimmy smith, journalist for now
August 13, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
jimmy smith is leaving blogging forever! banned! that’s right, banned! journalist has been banned! banned from blogging! no longer to blog! without a forum! noting to do! oh, the humanity! “what?” “what baby seal?” journalist is not banned, someone else got banned?” well, never mind.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Contreras is an interesting notion, as well.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Steve Traschell= Poison pill
Grinch
I don’t see anything wrong with the guy being confident. Hell, he’s earned it. He actually scolded Joe Angel’s notion for Rollins and Iguchi to steal on a two strike count with Burrell up last night, saying that even if they were successful stealing and Burrell struck out(which he does alot), then we would walk Howard with the open base. I thought he was dead on. I just think you are confusing smugness with confidence. He is Joe Morgan who played on probably the best team ever and won gold gloves and MVPs. Don’t you think he’s earned it?
By Double J
August 13, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
The signing of Heyward was good. I went to school with him, a phenomenal player, and a all around good guy. He was a big part of that Henry County team that won state. Hopefully he will develop into the player they say, which I say he will, he has a great work ethic.
By SR
August 13, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
We will see what this team is made of this week- the Giants are an abysmal team, they just got swept at home by the PITTSBURGH PIRATES!!!! They are shockingly bad and a good team would sweep them. Yes, taking 2 out of 3 would be solid but they really should sweep.
By Lee in S. GA
August 13, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
On the bright side, Trachsel could be the icing on the cake to help Skip Carey considerer retirement.
By Jay Dub
August 13, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t expect a deal for Trachsel or Towers either one. Neither has that high of a salary to keep teams from filing a waiver claim.
If JS had interest and ANY room in the budget, I would expect he would have claimed one of them (Towers moreso than Trachsel). Now, once waivers are cleared, it is up to an open market bidding war. Granted, I don’t expect prices too high on either of them, but again, if there was interest JS could have filed a claim and been the only guy to deal with.
Personally, I would have looked at claiming Towers. But he or Trachsel either one would look good in a 4-5 role.
By Anders
August 13, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
Paladin You’re certainly right about the traffic but that’s true in most cities. I’ve done some sitting trying to get from Hartsfield up to Alpharetta from time to time. If where you’re going is worth going to, you’re generally not alone!
By DAP
August 13, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
Del based on your evaluation of some of the team, i dont think you have been paying very close attention.
on tex, dude has hit 4 homers in 9 games, a few in clutch situations. Chipper himself has talked about how having tex bat behind him is giving him more pitches to hit.
on escobar…cocky additude? it as has been clear that he is taking advice when he can. on a play where he tagged at third and tried to score in a blow out, he was corrected by his teammates, and then went to bobby in the dugout to personally say “my fault, i get the message” he has made some mistakes, but his additide is not a problem.
ditto on andruw.
By Tyler
August 13, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
DOB, I’m sort of with Del in a way. I will not say he’s been a disappointment at all though. He has the statistics to say he’s been phenominal, but he has not been. Sure, 4 HR already, but how many strikeouts or non-scoring plays does he have with men on base in big situatons?
Still, though, he’s been a huge upgrade offensively and defensively and I think he’s only going to get more comfortable with the Braves. However, he has in no way been a “disappointment”.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this
Heyward, Brandon Jones or Cole Rohrbough will be the Braves top prospect in 2008. Brandon Jones should start next season in LF with Matt Diaz facing lefties. Can’t imagine us going into next season with Willie Harris as our primary CF. Frenchy needs to stay in right, anyone who says different hasn’t watched the Braves this year.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave Taking up for Joe Moron is as bad as talking to trash. It’s more-or-less the same thing.
And, did anyone notice DOB’s use of the word “freaking”? Now, which one of you holier-than-anyone-in-the-universe is going to wash his mouth out with soap and/or hold him up to blog derision?
By ncscoots
August 13, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
DOB, saw DBTs at Walnut Creek over by Raleigh. Fine outdoor venue, and a too-fine band, for sure. I’m not nearly into music anymore as you guys are, and a new CD in my collection is a rarity, but it’s a safe bet that I’ll be grabbing up all the stuff those guys have done.
They lived up to the blog’s advance billing, and an old rocker can’t ask for much more than that.
By bill
August 13, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
I can’t understand why alot of people gets upset when someone mentions Trachel or any other experienced pitcher. They need someone that’s been to war. Throw out all their stats. Stats don’t mean anything this time of season. The season is slowly going down the toilet. I think there will be a trade and Brayan Pena will be involved. That’s why he wasn’t called up.
By Renegator
August 13, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this
MLB Trade Rumors reports that Jose Contreras (sp?) has cleared waivers as well…
By The Grinch
August 13, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this
I agree he’s earned the right to be confident, and as I said his in game analysis is usually spot-on. It’s when he starts reminiscing about something and refuses to break out of it just because something important’s just happened on the field, or telling other people their memories or opinions are wrong when they don’t exactly match his, ignoring the fact there are other people in the booth, or just simply not ever shutting the &%&# UP, ever, under any circumstances. Yes, he was a good player, and yes, he knows a lot about the game. And sometimes he’s able to walk the fine line between confidence and smugness…but a lot of the time he isn’t, IMO. I don’t think he’s a bad guy; I just feel like three hours of Joe Morgan is about two and a half hours too many. We just see it a bit differently; no big deal. Unlike Joe Morgan, I can agree to disagree.
I noticed Smoltz’ bullpen comment too; that was funny. I wonder if it was intentional.
Man, can y’all imagine Skip Carey calling Braves games with Trachsel on the mound? That could get ugly. They’d probably have to redo the old man’s contract.
By ernesto
August 13, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
How about Mark Redman? I think Toronto wouldn’t want too much for him.
By Baron
August 13, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
DOB, noticed your post about the soundtrack to “The Hottest State”… can’t look far into the subject at the moment, but the movie is based on a novel by Ethan Hawke… his character in the “Before Sunrise/Sunset” movies and “Waking Life” was named Jesse… and he is a musician. I think he wrote the songs.
By Stinky
August 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave, A lot of people think that Joe Morgan mails it in. Yes, he was a major leaguer for 20 years. Yes he is a Hall of Fame member. And yes he was a two time MVP.
But does that make him a consistently good presenter of information? Does that make him competent enough to step back on the field to coach or manage? Does that mean he does his homework every night?
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
Didn’t get to ribfest; didn’t know about that. Would have.
Sorry no blog today, but between travel and massive computer issues (spent past hour on line with tech folks) and having to do off-day stuff and scouting box, haven’t had a chance.
Will try to post one later.
By Carolina Lady
August 13, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
I have buried the horse. He is no longer available to beat.
:-)
By NCBravesFan
August 13, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
Bill I agree about the need for experience down the stretch. What is intriguing about a guy like Trachsel is he would give the 5 spot exactly what we need - someone who can eat innings.
If he gives up 3-4 runs in 6-7 innings … on this team … he is giving us a chance to win. He is also taking pressure off the bullpen to have to trot out there in the 4th or 5th inning (as others have noted).
I don’t like Towers as much - dude’s given up nearly 20 homers in 99 innings. That’s positively Soriano-like! yikes!
By DAP
August 13, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
sorry, 11 games
By RedEyedAndBlue
August 13, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
Like DOB, I cannot believe I am responding to Del’s comments. But to suggest that Tex has been disappointing after watching Thorman, et.al. wail in futility for the first four months of the season is ridiculous. But if you want numbers, here ya go. Braves in 11 games with Tex in lineup are hitting .305 and have averaged over 6 runs/game. Tex’s OPS is .929 in those games (Ryan Howard’s OPS on the season is .987 and Delgado’s is .765). He has 4 homers, 2 doubles, and a triple. Not too shabby. Chipper Jones OPS during the same stretch is a sick 1.074 with 5 doubles, 2 triples, 2 homers, and 10 rbis. Against the division rivals no less.
Are you just trying to play devil’s advocate or do you have some numbers to back up Tex’s disappointing play?
By Clueless Chip Carey
August 13, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
The Chip Carey drinking game:
When watching a Braves game, listen for some key words: 1. Home Run / Homer = 2 drinks. This is a biggie. Seriously Chip, there is more to baseball than homers. 2. Chicaaago Cubs = 1 drink. 3. Anything unrelated to the game action = 1 drink. 4. Barry Bonds = 1 drink. 5. Insert repetitive phrase here = 1 drink.
Why is Chip the primary TV commentator? Give me back Skip, Joe, Don, & Pete! Get rid of over-dramatic Chip! He loves to hear himself talk!
If he is on TV, I mute it for the radio and if he is on radio, I go with the TV. The only thing that stinks about this is the timing is usually up to 7 seconds delayed, but I’d rather watch it on mute without Chip’s annoying commentary.
I have to say that Jon Sciambi is slowly growing on me, but seriously, stop with the “Booog” nickname! Is this 3rd grade?
Fire Chip Carey! More Skip, Pete, and Joe. Bring Don back!
By NCBravesFan
August 13, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
DOB Same here re: computer issues. I had to come home and work. Network at the office was a complete nightmare.
Must be something in the air!
By Anders
August 13, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this
Renegator Have you seen Contreras pitch this year? Scary. Plus being from Cuba he might be 50 to 55 for all we know. Speaking of which,if El Duque wants him on the Mets I wouldn’t be suprised to see Minaya bring in a new playmate for him.
By Rev. Zoldars
August 13, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this
My computers having a friggin stroke right now… how about a new blog to keep these load times down?
Aaaaaand, I would like to here our most likely replacements for K-Druw, in the event he leaves (hopefully).
Now, having said that, and realizing that he is only 30 I believe, It is not above him to replicate his 2005 year in the future. Hell, he could do better. I know in a way I will be comparing apples to oranges here but, when A-rod had his down year last year, (though only down by his standards) and rebounding this year in such a big way - you know it is a possibility for Druw. A-rod had a multitude of public relations difficulties, clubhouse squabbles, was a victim of a NY press, was the prime culprit in a team not living up to its checkbook; the fact is he had some of those problems this year but they are severely lessened IMO. (I noticed we went over that acronym above, so I am confident in its posting).
Essentially, once the heat was off, he did better. Not marginally, but real butter better.
Could the same be said for Andruw? It worries me that it might. At the same time it worries me that it wont and we resign him. After all, it was his loyalty on the first contract- are the braves supposed to match that or rescind it? (I suppose deny is the more accurate word)
Anyway, my point is, who are the top guys to replace him, and i wanna hear it from DOB.
I heard rowand, hunter, harris? These cant be all the players - and i would hope we have more options than this.
anyway, longwinded- have a great day all.
The reverend departs
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
Sorry no blog today, but between travel and massive computer issues (spent past hour on line with tech folks) and having to do off-day stuff and scouting box, haven’t had a chance.
How could you have massive computer issues when you have a resident computer expert as a denizen like Serbok, a.k.a. Nick Burns the Computer Guy? :o> Oh snap. I just went Serbok with the nose o, and Paladin with the smile >.
By A--ville Ranger
August 13, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
The power of suggestion is a strange critter.Everybody knows Chipper and Tex made 2 outs on a total of 2 pitches in the eighth inning last night right ? The ESPN announcers said it.It was repeated on baseball tonight and on this blog several times.Thing is Tex saw 2 pitches the 1st a high inside called ball,then he hit a grounder for the out. That makes 3 for the 1st 2 outs.I watched the replay and did a pitch count for the 8th and 9th the total was 20.That is still way too few.The only good at bat was by Frenchy for the 3rd out in the 8th.The 9th went like this Andruw 5 pitches (it was worse than that)McCann 3 pitches and Harris 4.They played the end of this swing game like they were late for something more important.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
August 13, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
Scoots, I’m glad to see you’ve found the world of DBT. I love seeing the responses of first-time listeners. It’s like seeing the glow on a child’s face when he/she catches his/her first fish, or shoots his/her first deer. Welcome to the Dirty South, brother. Once you get into this family, there’s no getting out.
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
Same here re: computer issues. I had to come home and work. Network at the office was a complete nightmare.
Watch out NCBraves fan. Serbok is going to sweep in and tell you MOVE!
By ncscoots
August 13, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this
Trachel(sic)…need someone that’s been to war.
Maybe that’s why Trachsel pitches as if he’s shell-shocked, LOL.
The Braves could pick up one of the waiver-wire-wonders, I guess, though that would smack of desperation to me. The fifth starter might make 8 more starts, and there’s certainly little indication, IMO, that one of those guys would provide significant impact over any of the in-house options. At this point, frankly, neither scenario has much appeal for me.
About as much, really, as a baseball blog by Alyssa Milano (PLEASE!). Think she must have caught a case of angst, and never recovered.
By Rev. Zoldars
August 13, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
Oh, and i’m not sure how many of you fine bretheren are into this sorta thing, but seeing as this blog also spotlights many in the name of music, I have to put my two cents in.
The “Echo Project” is coming to ATL. Not that it has been elsewhere (its a brand new thing), but it is unique to Atlanta.
It is going to be a three day music festival south of Atlanta (a ‘la Bonnaroo for GA)
Full lineup includes: The Killers, The Flaming Lips, Phil and Friends, moe., Stephen Marley, The Roots, Cypress Hill, Les Claypool, The Bravery, The Polyphonic Spree, Michael Franti and Spearhead, Umphrey’s McGee, Thievery Corporation with their full live band, Secret Machines, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Rodrigo Y Gabriela, The Disco Biscuits, Cat Power and Dirty Delta Blues Band, Brazilian Girls, The Avett Brothers, Lyrics Born, MSTRKRFT, JJ Grey & Mofro, Son Volt, RJD2, Toubab Krewe, Spam Allstars, ALO, Greenskeepers, The Egg, The Album Leaf, MAN MAN, Tea Leaf Green, The Benevento / Russo Duo, Lazaro Casanova, Telepath, and Afromotive. More artists and festival details will be announced in the coming weeks.
www.the-echoproject.com
Sounds like fun to me
By Mets Stink
August 13, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
Just did the math on Tex. His Braves numbers projected over 162 games is .283 avg, 58 HR, 176 RBI. I think that’ll do.
By Shaun
August 13, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Anders,
You said the following:
Smoltz said “Well he’s got a good bullpen”. I’m sure he was just complementing Tiger’s ability to close out on Sunday but I did find it ironic he would point to that aspect of his game. Nothing subversive here just a comment on an observation.
Yeah, also later on in the conversation he talked about how the starters haven’t done their jobs and have put the bullpen in tough spots here lately.
The Braves have blown 13 saves, which ranks 18th in baseball. Not too bad. And as much as I don’t like saves, I think blown saves can be a fairly reliable stat compared to saves. Atlanta’s save percentage is about average—not great, not bad.
Also, the bullpen that has thrown the fourth most innings and the most games, ranks 18th in losses. And they rank 10th in ERA. So, I’d say, all things considered the bullpen has been pretty good. A lot better than some people want to give them credit for.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
The only thing lacking from the Braves is an 7 or 8 game winning streak. Tomorrow would be a nice time to start one.
By jimmy smith, back-up blog journalist
August 13, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
back-up blog journalist jimmy smith is available to do a new blog but has not been asked by dob to do so. dob is very busy with other matters and this is reminiscent of the time dob’s horse was sick and jimmy smith got jimmy smith’s break in journalism. jimmy smith has been doing journalism ever since. for those bloggers having difficulty loading this page please know that jimmy smith is available to help dob if called upon to do so … let us hope jimmy smith will get the call before mark davis. “the heat bore down upon wicky’s thick, wrinkled, sweaty, dirt-ecrusted neck. teeny tiny drops of perspiration fell like gumballs dropping from the metal collar of a long-forgotten gumball machine in the narrow doorway of a tawdy bar, and down the broad expanse of the prominent adam’s apple in the middle of the vaunted closer’s shorter-than-a-giraffe’s neck. a bit of stale and forgotten chaw lurked yet in the tangled, nest of neck hair at the base of wicky’s nasty-neck. surely, wicky would not be planning to the neck to load up the ball with neck cheese? or would wicky?”
By Anders
August 13, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
NC Braves fan As I said earlier Trachsel was with the Mets for a few years and he’s the consumate innings eater. True, you want more than that going down the stretch but you take what you can get. He can give up HR’s in bunches though. When he doesn’t have it you know by the second inning. There’s no in between for this guy. Also, don’t think of him helping out in your bullpen - he can’t make that work. He’s an “In the zone” pitcher who needs his whole day routine to get ready. Not quite “rainmanish” like Mike Mussina but along those lines. Every inning he sits in the dugout staring out to the field visualizing the next inning. He’s not a bad hitter either. I didn’t find him any more painful to sit through than Tom Glavine. Glavine may throw in quicker succession but he spends the whole game nibbling. Just as frustrating to watch for my taste.
By Bob, Journalist
August 13, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
Efrim, hopefully we’ll do better than 9-7 over the next 16 games … but, if they give their best, it would be hard to find it unacceptable, regardless of the record.
if they play within themselves, they should be fine … but, that’s easier said than done when you’re behind and running out of time.
We probably should have been 5-1 on the road trip … in the last two losses, they started out like gangbusters … and then it looked like most of them fell victim to bandboxitis.
No reason to get heated if Bobby makes sound decisions and they play well … if you want to get heated, chances are that you can find better reasons than the won loss record … hard to understand starting Andruw with either Matt or Willie on the bench … at any time, but especially when he’s not 100% … hard to understand resting Kelly on the road the day before a scheduled off day and entrusting the keystone combination to Escobar and Prado, regardless of outcome … hard to understand swinging at a pitch when the pitcher has thrown 6 balls in a row … hard to understand not choking up on the bat and going with the pitch when the bases are loaded and nobody is out … hard to understand infielders not coming off the bag when the situation so dictates … hard to understand Soriano throwing so many gopher balls is such a short span if he’s not tipping his pitches … some things are just hard to understand and those are the things about which I get heated, win or lose.
Then, after counting to 25, I try to convince myself that though it’s hard to understand … chances are better than even that there are good reasons and it’s my understanding that is the problem.
Del, I agree that Tex has been a bit of a disappointment but I think that’s because of expectations … had he hit .400 instead of .255 during the span of 11 games, it would not have told us much … his setup seems reasonable and though his bat speed seems a little slower than I remembered and expected, the power seems to be there.
Chances are that he will become more consistent as he settles into a routine and becomes more comfortable … it’s a totally different environment than that to which he’s been accustomed … all of the fanfare surrounding his arrival can be expected to have had a negative rather than a positive impact.
Chances are …
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
While Kermit was missing I was sure I had seen him, sitting in the ESPN booth analyzing Joe Moron’s baseball career. But, now that Kermit has returned to our ranks, I must admit I was wrong. But, there is a strong “family” resemblance.
Comm’on Kermit, quit chewing flies and lusting after Miss Piggy(Is she kin to Rosie O’Donnell?)and give us the poop(sorry, Ms. Manners) on this. Is he immediate family, or a cousin?
NOTE: Please don’t anyone take this as anything but “fun”. It has nothing to do with Morgan’s race.
By TampaBrave
August 13, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
TEX = :)
Sorry Paladin,
Call me an old fart, but I like to hear about the old days of baseball when men were men w/o the juice. I also like Skip Caray, but not his son. I liked Don Sutton alot. If ESPN is not paying someone to gather the latest info, then that’s ESPN’s fault. Look, I’m not the president of the Joe Morgan fan club, but I think he does a good job. If ESPN wants more psycho-analysis, they should get the guy who reports on fantasy baseball to do the games or perhaps Shaun. Summed up, I guess that makes me trash. At least I’ll eat good:)
By NCBravesFan
August 13, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
@Braveheart - Duly noted - I can duck with the best of them.
@NCScoots - are you saying Trachsel suffers from PTSD (Post Traumatic Start Disorder)?
Thank you, I’ll be at the Holiday Inn in Tullahoma next week.
By Shaun
August 13, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
A—ville Ranger,
Could it be that you want your best hitters up there swinging at pitches in the strikezone?
I don’t think anyone on this blog who reads my posts would confuse me as someone who wants a hitter to be aggressive. But the key is aggressiveness within the strikezone.
Tex and Chipper are very smart hitters. My guess is they swung at pitches that they felt they could nail but just missed them. If you do that and lose, you can’t really complain. Chipper and Tex are worth a lot of runs and wins to the Braves so it’s hard to nitpick and say they haven’t done or aren’t going to do enough to help the Braves get into the playoffs.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
Not sure if anyone has seen this but…
Left handed batters have hit for a batting average of .342, and an OPS of .993 against Buddy Carlyle.
Very bad, but on the other hand…
Right handed batters have hit for a batting average of .201, and an OPS of .571 against Buddy Carlyle.
Rough times ahead for Buddy when he is going to face the Phils or Mets.
By Mo in the boonies
August 13, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
The moment the camera flashed on BC dinking with his lineup card, I thought oh, oh, we’re in deep do-do tonight. And so once more we got “managed”. Sitting Kelly Johnson on the bench for Prado proved to be another brilliant decision. The double play fiasco was Prado’s fault, he was the one closest to second base, and should have handled the play, instead of handing off to Escobar. And let’s all remember Escobar might be damn good, but he is still a rookie.
Anyone like to join me in a email barrage to ESPN to get M&M off the Sunday night broadcast? Although I did find one thing interesting, if Morgan might happen to be right in this instance, he said that Terry Pendleton told him that batters aren’t willing to listen to him, until they hit rock bottom, so he just waits until then, and then if they come to him and ask for help, he will try to help them. I would hope he would try to help them before they hit bottom, and go to them with advice, not wait until they begged him for help.
And on to AJ. Everyone on here seems to think that it is up to Andy to take himself out of the game for the sake of the team. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that the manager’s job to know when a player isn’t well enough to play, and to keep him out of a game?? As for the smile or smirk that seems to bother so many, have any of you ever thought maybe it is a smile of embarrassment?
Now at the risk of getting slapped up side of the head by DOB. Most teams do play their regulars every game, unless they are injured. As for resting them, that is what the days off are for. The way Cox uses his player’s rest periods lately, they seem to fall just before a day off. So the “rest” serves merely as an excuse for another failed experiment on BC’s part.
I enjoyed the Smoltz interview immensely, the guy has class.
Pet peeve with ESPN other than the two announcers, is the number of times the camera is pointed to the two goofs in the press box rather than on the game. It is bad enough to have to listen to their inane blathering, but is it necessary to have to watch them also?
By ncscoots
August 13, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
NCBravesFan, that would be correct, sir.
Except for the “Post” part, LOL.
By Chop Chop
August 13, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
Fire Joe Morgan
Ahhhhhhhh…the salad days of the Big Red Machine when Joe, Johnny, what’s his face, the other guy and a couple of other dude were dominating the baseball world with the only stats that matter: RBI and runs scored!
By Jersey Gil
August 13, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this
FYI For those that did not see ours minor league web side…Brandon Jones Was name “Batter Of the Week” for the International League.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
Some people on her kill me. It amazes me that anybody with a lick of sense can say that Teixeira has been a disappointment. He has 4 HRs and 12 RBI in 11 games. That is production I’ll take over an 11 game stretch any day of the week.
Also, all the doom and gloom referring to this team not making the playoffs. Forty-five games are left in the season. It is still a long way to go. The Braves went 24-12 to open the season and the pitching was worse then than it is now. They had Kyle Davies and Mark Redman as their #4 and #5 starters. While Buddy Carlyle and Lance Cormier aren’t exactly Cy Young caliber they are better than that.
Nothing exists that suggest that the Mets or Phillies are going to run away and there sure as hell isn’t anything to suggest the Padres, Dodgers, Rockies, or Cubs are going to run away with the wild card.
The Braves have pitching issues but there are pitching issues aren’t as pressing as the offensive problems the Padres, Dodgers, and Cubs have. The Braves pitching issues aren’t worse than those of the Rockies or Phillies. And, the Mets simply don’t have the fire.
By geauxbraves2000
August 13, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
Says Efrim, Frenchy needs to stay in right, anyone who says different hasn’t watched the Braves this year.
I completely agree. The Braves need to ink Frenchy to a long term deal. He has earned it.
Geaux Braves!!
By Anders
August 13, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave The problem with ESPN is they stopped “Covering ” sports about 5 to 7 years ago and just became a self promotion machine. There is no better use for the mute button than any time you have that channel on.
By Renegator
August 13, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this
Anders
I haven’t seen him pitch since he was a Yankee. I HATE American League baseball so I don’t watch it.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this
CL I sincerely hope that your “dead horse” comments were not brought about by my “holier-than-etc.” remark. That was not aimed at you. To the contrary, I hope you read my post this morning in which I was very supportive of your efforts to rid the blog of gutter language. I just don’t think(and apparently DOB doesn’t either)that “freaking” and “fricking” fall in that category. But, if you do, I will quit using them. As a matter of fact, I have quit other than in the last posts when they were used for illustrative purposes only. I hope the lady has a very nice day.
To all I was tempted to copy the list of “bands” Rev. Zolder listed above so that I could “drop one in” every now and then to make y’all think I am c-o-o-l! But, I knew I couldn’t do it and keep a straight face. The Polyphonic Spree?!? Please!!
By Mo in the boonies
August 13, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
Forgot to thank Chrisklob for enlightening me on the whys of going to first rather than home for the outs. Still think they could go to home sometimes. :>) BTW, did you catch any fish? If so, what kind?
By NCBravesFan
August 13, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Mo Your theories about Andruw and Pendleton work fine - if you are talking about a bunch of little leaguers. Grown men like to be treated as such, and your prescription would, in my opinion, be a recipe for clubhouse division and dissent.
Say what you will about AJs’ offense (and I’ve said plenty) - but having him in the field gives our team the best chance to win. I don’t think a Diaz-Harris-Francouer OF is nearly as strong defensively as with AJ in center and the platoon in left.
So in my book, until Andruw’s elbow falls off, I say play the guy.
By Kermit
August 13, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Comm’on Kermit, quit chewing flies and lusting after Miss Piggy(Is she kin to Rosie O’Donnell?)and give us the poop(sorry, Ms. Manners) on this. Is he immediate family, or a cousin?
Kermit has been punished by his puppetmaster for reprehensible behavior last night. That talk of eating & sandwiches was over the line. The puppetmaster will not be pulling his strings or providing him with a voice for a while until he cleans up his act. He’s an awfully ugly green sock anyway. Only so much his puppetmaster can take of looking at him. And yes Paladin, Kermit has a taste in women only Bill Clinton could relate to.
BH
By Anders
August 13, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this
Robert JIB I’ll throw one out to you for next year. How about Jr. Griffey in center for a year or two? His family lives in Orlando so that helps. Plus he’s ready for his swan song with a chance to win it all. He can be had for the right prospect or two. Definite health risk but I think worth a shot.
By Kermit
August 13, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
To all I was tempted to copy the list of “bands” Rev. Zolder listed above so that I could “drop one in” every now and then to make y’all think I am c-o-o-l! But, I knew I couldn’t do it and keep a straight face. The Polyphonic Spree?!? Please!!
Fine, Paladin. We will settle for your Bobby Darin references. Or are you too old even for him? Don’t worry. I only recognized the names of 7 of those acts myself.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this
Geauxbraves2000, interestng point about Francoeur. Wonder when he will get his long term contract. If Frenchy had 10 more homers, he would be a MVP candidate right now. Of course, if he had 10 more homers he would likely have 25 fewer points on his batting average.
I have to be honest and say it really ticks me off that Francoeur doesn’t get more respect. This guy is among the tops in the majors in RBI with two outs; RBI from the seventh innning on; and hitting with RISP. He is among the best hitters in baseball over the last two months. He is the best defensive rightfielder by far in the majors. He is hitting 50 points higher this season than he was at this point in the season last year. Yet, everyone acts like he is still the “caveman” from last year. It is actually rather angering. The guy has apparently worked his butt off to get better and nobody recognizes it. Not the national media or his team’s fanbase.
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
Robert (Justice is the Best)
Agreed on everything. BUT we are 7-5 since announcing the Tex trade(4 series). Two games over .500 ain’t gonna do it. Sooner or later you have to break off 10 of 15. Hopefully that will be over the next 15 games because the competition just isn’t very good. And I am sick of the Braves playing down to the level of their competition. They do that the next 16 and they won’t make the playoffs.
By Rev. Zoldars
August 13, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Paladin
Merely informing the masses of music coming to town. To be honest, I have never heard of Polyphonic Spree, and it sounds a little silly to me as I type that out. Nonetheless, I have seen some of those bands, and I imagine its an entertaining weekend retreat. Like I said, I wasnt sure if any would be into it, and you prove that point.
I should have informed you of something that was more up your alley. Justin Timberlake just came to town- but you just missed him. Ill try to broaden my spectrum. My mistake
By Efrim
August 13, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Frenchy is awesome, but to people who just look at OPS as the measure of a player’s importance to the team, .812 is good but not great.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
Honestly, Anders, I wouldnt’ mind that. The Braves would have B. Jones, Gregor Blanco, and Matt Esquivel as backups in case of injury or ineffective play. He would be cheaper than Andruw (although not by much). Of course, I wouldn’t want to give up any quality prospects for him and I’m afraid the Reds will ask for exactly that.
By Anders
August 13, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
Robert JIB Chill guy. Frenchy will get his . Especially if they make the post season and he shines. But be warned, Andruw used to be the Braves faithful outfielder extrordinaire of choice and now he’s reguiled somewhere between a child molester and Micheal Vick. Not sure which way is up or down in that pecking order.
By Mo in the boonies
August 13, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this
NCBravesFan How does having Pendleton doing his job of seeing when a hitter needs batting help, and doing something about that need, and not waiting for said hitter to come begging for help, equate to Little League? I think Pendleton sitting on his arse in the dugout refusing to help until the player hits rock bottom is just plain stupid on his part. The only benefit of the doubt I am willing to give him is, if Morgan was quoting him correctly, or not.
By fanbase stinks
August 13, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Ronnie Roberts has blogged with us all afternoon, yet he told the SJA he would be meeting him at the mall, to kick the SJA’s a$s, internet service now at the mall? What will they think of next? Hope Roberts takes a stepladder with, else he won’t be able to reach the SJA’s a$s.
By RedEyedAndBlue
August 13, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
Anders - You threw this one to Robert JIB, but I’ll comment uninvited on my way out the office door, anyway. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see Griffey in Atl. but I do not think he has the range to play a great center anymore. At least the Reds don’t think so as he hasn’t played there much for some time. Braves would probably move Francouer over to CF if they picked up Griffey.
As for TV broadcasters, I’ve always thought that most of what the play-by-play guy says is obvious and the color commentator comments are unnecessary analysis or boring, self-aggrandazing anecdotes (see McCarver re: Bob Gibson). That’s why I use the mute button. Much different on the radio of course where the voice is your only insight in to the game. I find that guys who cut their teeth in broadcasting on the radio are much better there (Van Wieren, Skip Carey, Harry Kalas, Brennamen, for instance). Not saying that those guys are terrible on TV, just that they are better on the radio.
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this
I should have informed you of something that was more up your alley. Justin Timberlake just came to town- but you just missed him. Ill try to broaden my spectrum. My mistake
Reverend Zoldars How did you know Paladin is always boasting that he is going to bring Sexy Back to the blog?
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
Point taken, Anders. I will say this though about Andruw in comparison to Frenchy. Andruw has never hit in the clutch. Never! And, it appears to me that at least Frenchy is willing to listen while Andruw isn’t.
By Anders
August 13, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
Robert JIB I really think it’s possible Jr. end up in Atlanta next year. If He’s anywhere near healthy Cincy owes it to him to go to a contender if he wants. I know he made a lot of money and was hurt but he did make the discount committment in the prime of his career before he was hurt. I’d take him but I don’t think he’s interested in NY.
By Rev. Zoldars
August 13, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
I like the Griffey Talks for center next year. They always seem to pop up, but I would think it has more merit next year than ever before. Highly likely the reds would ask for a slew of prospects though. And with the impending retirement of J.S. and B.C., and the fact that every leader in his last days wants to go out on top and leave a legacy cemented with a great victory in war (or a multitude of pardons - Which makes me wonder if they would keep Andruw in that regard) or in this case a WS ring, I would not put it past them to sell the farm for a proven winner
By Anders
August 13, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this
RobertJIB I don’t think it’s fair to say Andruw never hit in the clutch. Doesn’t he have the record for the youngest guy to hit a HR in the World Series? He also burned the Mets more than once. I think you guys have become really jaded with him based on the last couple of years, plus his casual style which used to be his signature doesn’t look so great attached top a .215 BA. I really can’t believe how far this guys star has fallen with the Braves faithful and I respect your opinion because it’s pretty much everyone who feels that way. But I could see this guy have a real bounce back in a place like Boston. I think he’s to young to give up on unless there’s something seriously wrong with his health or if he wants huge money again.
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
Going through ESPN, I found a story on there a certain journalist would love to read:
By Pat Forde ESPN.com
FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. — Shortly after she delivered the 10th of her 12 children, Mini Muhammad noticed something strange about the boy.
“His toes are on top of each other,” she remarked.
Nineteen years later, Darren McFadden’s tootsies never have straightened out. They remain curled and bunched to the point that Arkansas football trainer Dean Weber says it appears McFadden has only four on each foot. Razorbacks teammate Robert Johnson says, “His toes look like they’re throwing gang signs.”
“I don’t have pretty feet,” McFadden admits with a sheepish smile.
Yet the ugly feet can perform such beautiful feats on a football field. Gussy them up in a pair of cleats and they can cut, shift and accelerate like few feet on Earth — and like none other in college football today.
The Hog’s homely hooves carried McFadden all the way to New York City last December as the Heisman Trophy runner-up, and they could take him back again this year. He might be America’s best Saturday biped.
Turning the unsightly into something uplifting has become a family trait. Darren McFadden did it with his feet. His mother did it with her life.
By NCBravesFan
August 13, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
Mo I don’t think TP is sitting around - I’m sure he keeps a close eye on them and offers a lot of support. I relate it to my own work - when I’m struggling with an issue, I don’t want people in my face telling me what to do about it - I’d like the freedom and flexibility, based on my skills and knowledge, to work though it.
But it’s great to know that there is a lot of wisdom (a lot more than I have) available to me if I do have a question about something or need some help.
In the same way, that’s how I take the remarks attributed to TP last night.
I love the blog, but I worry that we all forget about the human aspect of the game sometimes.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
Rev Zoldars Please don’t take offense. As a matter of fact, I live only miles from the site of Bonnaroo so I have heard the names of some of those bands. Have I ever been to Bonnaroo? No!
And to you and your echo Braveheart, yes, my idea of bands is Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, Tommy Dorsey, Glen Miller. Shall I go on?
And finally, I will be glad to bring sexy back to the blog. Where does she live?
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
fanbase stinks…The place was Spanish Plaza, the time 2:30pm New Orleans time, which, if you skipped (or didn’t get to) 3rd grade, is in the Central Time Zone.
I had a late lunch at the ol’ plaza today (as I do every Monday), and enjoyed a grilled shrimp po’ boy from Mother’s. Nearly lost 10 lbs sweating in the near 100% humidity and near-100 degree heat, but aside from that, the time went by at the place and nobody came lookin’ for me.
By The Grinch
August 13, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
Journalist Bob, it isn’t just you. You’re correct on all counts.
Paladin, don’t feel bad. While I recognized six or 7 of those bands, Les Claypool is the only one I’d pay to see. Dude can flat out rock a bass.
Robert JIB, I think Frenchy was just over-hyped so much from the get go it’s made a lot of us forget how good he really is.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 13, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this
soon there will be no giraffes or wrestlers left. then, what will we do?
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 13, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
Sure, Anders, Andruw has hit in the clutch before but over the course of a season he isn’t very good. I think the thing that frustrates a lot of Braves fans is that Andruw still does some of the bonehead things now at age 30 that he did at 19. It just seems like he has no desire to change his bad habits. It isn’t so much with me that his star has fallen as much as I have serious doubts as to whether this guy can carry a team consistently. Yes, in 2005 he carried the Braves for awhile but over the course of his career it just hasn’t been there. I’m sure he wants to get out of this slump but it is like the guy who is unemployed. He wants to work and have money but he doesn’t go out and look for a job. Andruw is much the same way. He wants to hit for a higher average and be better when it counts but he doesn’t want to stop flying open and swinging for the fences on every pitch. That was my point with Francouer. He stopped doing that and took a more intelligent approach to hitting. He is putting up the same numbers with a more balanced approach. Sure, he has a few less homers but he is hitting better and more consistently.
By Rev. Zoldars
August 13, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
Hey Paladin,
When Jack Benny and Gene Autry introduce Vera Lynn, Frank Sinatra, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, and Billie holliday at the Canterbury, i’ll keep you in the c-o-o-l and let you know
By 1957 Braves Fan
August 13, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
We need to sweep the Giants but we can’t seem to hold a four run lead. Every game is a must win game now.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
Braveheart old buddy, what does your “toes” story have to do with “Muslim Submarines”? :-)
And I hope, unlike some of our Dawg players, that this youngster can “toe the line” and get an A in behavior.
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this
And finally, I will be glad to bring sexy back to the blog. Where does she live?
Oh, Paladin, you know very well she lives in North Carolina and all of our thoughts and prayers are with her.
By fanbase stinks
August 13, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
Roberts I remember in the SJA’s last post he told you he be at next mardi gras. So don’t try to act all ballsy you fake a$s peckerwood. fanbase will meet you at that frickin mall! Mamas boy!
By Gil in Mechanicsville
August 13, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
Sigh…… And speaking of last night’s contest…. I thought Manny gave good account of himself. Does he remind anyone else of Sorianto before his fastball flattened out?
jjs I would imagine we would have to make do with “Who’s More Now?” Bunch of monkeys f*g a football anyway…
By Bob, Journalist
August 13, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
Paladin, “my idea of bands is Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, Tommy Dorsey, Glen Miller” … I knew there was something on which we could agree … of course, these days folks call them orchestras which is reserve for the symphony orchestra … of which we have an excellent one in Nashville.
By Del
August 13, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
Re. Tex and those that responded to my blog. I understand your “comments” but I still feel that so far he has under-performed IMHO. IE: After his first 3 games his batting average is about the same as our king of under-performers AJ. I’m gone, and yes I fervently hope that our team makes the playoffs!!!
By journalist jimmy smith
August 13, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this
this and that from journalist jimmy smith: this journalist suspects sja is blogging today using an alias in order to remain undercover until sja’s task is completed. it is noted that the thrilla in spanish plaza did not take place today. while rr assumes this journalist supports sja in this struggle, rr should recognize that jimmy smith and ron roberts have maintained a cordial relationship for a long time now. once, ron roberts was responsible for the anthony family having no turkey for thanksgiving but that transgression has been forgiven long ago. it is true that sja and jimmy smith have formed a “clean-up the blog” partnership - but jimmy smith has at no time included ron roberts as a totally undesirable blogger as has sja. so, journalist will watch the thrilla with mixed emotions and journalist will hope that the thrilla spares both parties of any lasting injury. now, baseball … what lineup surprises will bobby cox have for us tomorrow? woodward, perhaps? not likely. and prado must climb back on the bicycle. perhaps prado will play again tomorrow. kj can use some rest. what? right hander pitching? now, doesn’t that beat all? and neck cheese brought no reaction from anyone here. neck cheese it is! and whither carroll rogers during this tumultuous time on this blog? fights everywhere. pick and choose. place your bets. there is a ringer here and jimmy smith may be the only one aware. oops, there goes another wrestler. running out. soon, no wrestlers and no giraffes. horse, too, apparently. carolina lady already buried the horse.
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this
Braveheart old buddy, what does your “toes” story have to do with “Muslim Submarines”? :-)
:o>
Point well taken Paladin. But I think that one of the Esteemed, if he would set aside his differences with me at least momentarily for the sake of toe journalism, would find that to be exceptional toe journalism. His toes look like they are throwing up gang signs. Don’t get much better toe journalism than that.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this
When Jack Benny and Gene Autry introduce Vera Lynn, Frank Sinatra, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, and Billie holliday at the Canterbury, i’ll keep you in the c-o-o-l and let you know
You got a date, Rev. Me and Howard Hughes will fly up on his private tri-motor.
By R Lee Ermy
August 13, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
Is it true that the SJA just gouged Ron Roberts eye balls out and skull f*ed him????
By Carolina Lady
August 13, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
Paladin, no no! I had written that just as a ‘funner’ in response to different ones always saying “Not to beat a dead horse..” Intended as humor, nothing more and certainly not in response to anything you have written. I thank you for your concern; much appreciated!
And no, fricking and freaking do not offend. Have no idea where the first one came from, but I assume it has no ill intent. (In case you never noticed [a bit of humorous sarcasm], I’m not into ‘street’ language. I never saw the benefit of raising gutter talk to acceptable levels. Just my opinion.) :-)
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
Bob, Journalist: I just listened to a CD (while working; it’s good writing music) that you’d love: Ellis Marsalis’ “Duke In Blue,” which is the Marsalis patriarch playing Duke Ellingtons tunes on piano, unaccompanied. Good stuff.
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts, funny, I just wrote that line about Ellis Marsalis, who is tried-and-true N’Awlins, then saw your post about being there today. I envy you, even if it’s even hotter there than here.
Mother’s … now that is some heavy eating. Go to Port of Call and get one of the best burgers known to man.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 13, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this
differences with braveheart? this journalist has no differences with braveheart.
sure, jimmy smith has agreed to fight all comers, but journalist has a plan that will spare this journalist any injury.
now, toes … toe journalism is a craft. not many do real toe journalism. dob does some fine toe journalism but only in moderation. dob won a wurlitzer with toe journalism as this journalist recalls. but dob must maintain good relations with the braves players in order to get quotes like “uh” and “you know”. it is not likely that dob will blow the whistle on web feet and mis-matched toes on this team (perhaps only a rumor, no one can be sure). still, toes on top of toes sounds pretty serious and it is good that this is not a baseball player so affected.
and for a quick break: what blogger can identify the number of toes on a giraffe? most giraffes in town are toes up right now. wrestlers, too. no more giraffes or wrestlers - oh, the humanity!
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this
Fanbase stinks… You, too, can visit New Orleans anytime you’d like. Just say when and where and I’ll accomodate.
And if you’re reading (admirably, I’m sure) your man-crush’s posts so attentively, you’ll remember a time and a place was requested; that request was met. So then comes this delay until Mardi Gras. I’ll be here, then, too. So maybe you can let those synapses in your head do a little work and conjure up the notion that yours truly didn’t flinch. I was there today, and I’ll be here next February, too.
I didn’t blink before, and you aren’t gonna get a flinch out of me, either. Although I suspect you’ve blogged here before - using a different login name.
And do some homework; Spanish Plaza’s not a mall. It’s a fairly well-known outdoor park/fountain/plaza.
Not like the strip mall where your job at Family Dollar takes you.
By Chop Chop
August 13, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
Is it true that some sniveling, slimy, grabastic maggot puke misspelled R. Lee Ermey’s name? Well, that puke had better unf* himself before Gunny unscrews his head and s** down his neck.
Mail Call!
By Carolina Lady
August 13, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this
BRAVEHEART!!!* (Now how can I get mad at that??)
:-)))
(And thanks for your prayers. Another dr appt tomorrow. Hopefully will know more then.)
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
I met R. Lee Ermy when he was doing a promotional tour for his History Channel (I think that’s the network his show’s on) show.
R. Lee doesn’t hide behind a keyboard, nor would he use multiple login names to talk the talk.
You sir, are no R. Lee Ermy.
I use the term “sir” loosely, as it’s more apparent that I’m replying to a juvenile.
By Paladin
August 13, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
And now, I must tear myself away from this frivolity and go eat my evening porridge. See you young’uns later.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 13, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
“street language” on the blog? does carolina lady have a street name? jimmy smith is thinking of getting a street name as it is quite the fashion in atlanta these days. something like “seal daddy” is under consideration.
of course, journalist understands mike vick’s street name will soon be available, and posse, too. journalist may form a posse as well. journalist bob is the first jimmy smith will invite to join the posse since journalists must stick together. must come up with a street name for journalist bob. hmmm….
By Chop Chop
August 13, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this
I censored myself. I don’t like to engage in “gutter talk”…
I see that Ron Roberts mentioned Family Dollar. That reminds me of something. I was watching a NASCAR Busch Series race a couple of weeks ago and saw the Family Dollar and Dollar General cars running side-by-side. If I’m riding in either of those cars, I’m thinking that I’d probly hafta to put that sumbitch into the wall. Then I’d get out of my car, walk over to his, pull his window net down and hit that punk with those 50 coathangers I got for a buck.
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
DO’B… Mother’s grilled shrimp po’boys are so damn big it’s lunch and dinner for me. But their grilled shrimp is about all I’ll eat there. They sell a po’boy there called The Debris, which is literally pieces/parts of meats that’ve been cooked, fallen off the bone, and collected at the bottom of their cookers once strained out. I can’t get past the name to eat one, personally. Actually, folks around here rave about the place, but I think it’s over-bown local lore. You know, like The Varsity. Tourists…
Port of Call’s burgers are indeed kick@$$. I don’t eat red meat very often since I’ve been on a stringent weight and diet training regimen, but when I cheat, it’s hard to resist a good ol’ Port of Call burger. There’s a small chain here, though, calld New Orleans Famous Burgers that puts out a damn-close runner-up.
By Julia
August 13, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
Was SOMEONE a p-o-r-k-e-r and had to go on a weight and diet training regimen?
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
JJS… your line about giraffes and wrestlers got an out-loud chuckle out of me.
You could add to that with fish at the Georgia Aquarium, I s’pose, but my heart still hurts for ol’ Gaspar. My little 7 year old (then) nephew’s eyes just lit up when we get to see Gaspar awhile back.
By BravesDave
August 13, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this
Someone mentioned this earlier, but if the Braves don’t sweep the Giants during this next series……
The Giants are on the verge of losing their 4th straight to the PIRATES at home. They have 11 runs and 27 hits in 4 games.
Sorry, but 2 out of 3 is not going to cut, especially with Smoltz, Hudson, and James on the mound.
By keylargo25
August 13, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this
My computer is smoking. No new blog and almost a thousand posts. I figure I am #994 so the count down is on.
By fanbase stinks
August 13, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this
That’s funny, I heard Spanish Plaza was nothing more than a huge gay bar!
By Carolina Lady
August 13, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
Chop Chop - “and hit that punk with those 50 coathangers I got for a buck.” Funny stuff! LOL
Now, jjs…….CL with a street name?? You have the most vivid imagination I’ve ever seen!! :-)))
“Seal Daddy???”
BTW, did you get the bill for restocking the pond? Baby Seal went home considerably heavier than when he arrived……
By journalist jimmy smith
August 13, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
alas, gaspar is a shadow of gaspar’s former self by now. when gaspar dropped to the bottom of the tank everyone felt sad. buried next to the horse in carolina lady’s backyard. and who has a street name for journalist bob? old girlfriend of journalist bob’s died today. not a wrestler, a socialite. 105 years old. time to rest. too much time in the tub. took a lickin’ then quit tickin’. can say that on a blog?
By Salty
August 13, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts
Saw the ‘Mothers’ reference; had my first po boy there…I can’t eat that much. Now…Port of Call…haven’t been there; must make a note for future reference. Last trip to NO was ‘04…I imagine shock would be the order of the day if I was to visit now?
Tryin’ to remember the brew house (French Quarter) that had great beer…and, of all things, the best calimari I’ve ever had…oh, and very good oyster po boy! Ah…culinary memories…good thing they’re calorie-free!
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this
Wow, another new login name with another attempted dig. Interesting.
No, Julia, I’m working with a new trainer who’s helping me reach some loftier physical goals. I’d hit a plateau about a year ago, and wanted to get just a “little” better in some key areas, actually.
He said it was my age (early 30s) coupled with the need to tweak my food intake just a bit. But, thanks for implying.
By journalist jimmy smith
August 13, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this
not to be in poor taste here, but if baby seal left carolina considerably heavier, perhaps baby seal will need a weight and diet training regimen … oh, the humanity! it is too easy! please forgive jimmy smith! not trying to start up with ron roberts but someone already made mention earlier … oh, the humanity!
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
someone told me might be a NEW BRAVES BLOG going up
By Braveheart
August 13, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this
differences with braveheart? this journalist has no differences with braveheart.
very glad to hear jimmy. i know we had our problem over a month ago caused by me getting carried away with myself yet again, so I was just making sure we were cool now since we never resolved it completely. very good to hear. a load off my mind. good toe journalism is indeed powerful stuff. it brings unity.
now, as for the hounds from hell, the board members of the rroe site have some very valuable information to trade to the hounds from hell. let’s just say the rroe is not all it appears on its face. certain information contained within the rroe can be used to verify the information already in the possession of the hounds of hell….. if the street address in question is in need of further verification, the board members would be glad to mapquest it for the hounds from hell with the info in possession of the board members and well, ….. let’s just say some cookies have been left behind for the hounds from hell to feast on
as for a gang name for Bobby McBrayer, i prefer Mac the Knife. he may be a saint know but at one time his only competition was Bill the Butcher.
as for your shocking alliance with the SJA, i’m rather shocked by his saul of tarsus transformation. i’m still waiting for bad, bad leroy brown to start walking around saying My Name Is Earl and get all into the karma and start making amends for prior misdeeds.
By David O'Brien
August 13, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts, I was just about to ask you about that sandwich made from the meat droppings. Couldn’t think of the name. Debris. Now I remember.
Loved that place. And Central Grocery. And Port of Call. And Tipitina’s. And Maple Leaf Bar….
By Ron Roberts
August 13, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this
JJS… the horror of little children actually seeing something like that….lol.
Fanbase… click THIS and educate yourself a little.
For once.
By Serbok
August 13, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this
N8 we will NOT make the postseason. Why do you keep saying “WE”? Just curious? You certainly do not appear to be on the bandwagon! On the other hand, your posts are very succinct~ I always know IF I’m feeling down about this team, I can Always Scroll to your posts and feel even worse? Thanx Bud!
By Serbok
August 13, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this
HI guys~ Did ya’ll notice the camera shot of chipper after last nights game? Seemed to me he was kinda just staring at the field? Seemed to show some intensity from Chip, that I havent seen in quite some time~ I dunno, maybe it was just me, but he actually seemed to show some remorse of losing the game? Like I said, maybe It was me seeing something that really wasnt there? Then again, maybe it was the “purple haze I dropped last night” I got the feeling that Chipper is really getting focused, and may turn it up a notch! BTW I think the person who responded to my posts last night, really is someone who has an inferiority complex. I feel sorry for that person. Ppl never cease to amaze me.
By Bob, Journalist
August 13, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts, I don’t eat red meat very often … the secret is to cook the meat … it changes color!
By Serbok
August 13, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
With the awesome lineup that we have (yes N8( AJ is Always gonna come to bat with runners in scoring position,regardless of where he is batting in the order. AND will Kill the Rally!!! Is that good or bad? lol Only solution IS to SIT AJ! I really dont care how much it hurts his feelings! Does anyone think Borass has feelings? What I think is gonna happen tho~ Is AJ WILL play for “US” (N8} not Nate. Next year! I kinda like that:o)
By Serbok
August 13, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
By Savannah Guy
August 13, 2007 1:13 AM Nice Man!!!! I myself have always been a “word man” better than a Birdman? “Mojorisson”
By Serbok
August 13, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this
I know alot of you guys have seen this~ but for those that havent
http://www.ajc.comhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA
Kinda strange~ really weird?
By chrisklob
August 13, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this
Just catching up on the blog after a long, hot day at the office…..
Mo, no problem. It was a legitimate question. Oh, and I caught three large mouth bass. One baby and two in the three pound range. There is a series of small, man-made lakes near my home. It’s nice to be able to get out and spend a couple of hours walking the banks of a lake in a nearly deserted park.
Carolina Lady, instead of burying said horse, you could have had it butchered and sent to some country that believes in eating that kind of meat. After the beating that horse has taken lately, the meat would have been most tender!
Thank you for pointing out to DOB about the disgusting poster from yesterday evening. Very little offends me personally, but that type of language is not suitable for a family blog like this one.
TampaBrave, I like your list of heroes (I think that’s what you called it, at least something similar). Amazingly similar to mine. As a Cowboys fan from around the age of six or so, Staubach was always (and still is) at the top of my list.