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DEL.ICIO.USNo question: Trade was good
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Of course the Tex-for-Salty trade was a good one for the Braves. Glad you asked.
And please, don’t give me the “smells like J.D. Drew all over again” line.
(And before we go any further, let me say that if the Braves get Octavio Dotel from Kansas City for Kyle Davies, it will have been arguably the best couple of days of trading in Atlanta Braves history, in terms of impacting a playoff race.)
(Wait, not done with that thought. How can they get Dotel for Davies? It’s only because Dayton Moore, KC GM and former Schuerholz assistant, had such a big hand in developing Davies that he probably believes Davies can still be pitcher they always believed he’d be. Otherwise, Dayton would take one of the better offers he’s received in the past month for Dotel. For the Braves’ sake, lot of denizens hoping Dayton keeps the nostalgiac view of Davies and pulls the trigger on this deal around noon today, or as soon as the Braves can officially offer him Davies, after the Rangers sign off on the Teixeira trade without demanding Davies be included instead of sore-shouldered Matt Harrison.)
(Whew _ that was one helluva run-on sentence and paragraph. Flexing my skills. Yeah, right. Now, back to original blog point about the Salty-for-Tex deal….)
For one very big thing, Mark “Tex” Teixeira is under the Braves’ control at least through 2008. That’s two runs at the playoffs, not one like they got from Drew.
What they do with those two runs at the playoffs will determine how this is viewed by many Monday-morning GMs in the future, but the fact is, the Braves have Teixeira to team with Chipper Jones and the rest of this relatively young lineup for two runs at the playoffs.
And having Teixeira makes those runs a whole lot more realistic and optimistic than not having him.
The second thing is, the Braves could certainly have used Adam Wainwright, the pitcher they gave up in the Drew deal, during these past few years of injuries to key pitchers. He might have made a real difference in Atlanta. (I’d say they could also have used Jason Marquis, but fact of the matter is, Marquis wasn’t going to prosper until he went somewhere else and got a fresh start and a new attitude, which he got in St. Louis … at least for a while.)
With Jarrod Saltalamacchia, the big stud they’re giving up in this trade for Teixeira, the Braves don’t have a spot for him in the near future, unless you saw enough of Salty at first base to conclude that he was the answer there. I did not. While I think he could certainly have been a serviceable and perhaps even good defensive first baseman, the brief stint he got there with the Braves could not have led any reasonable person to believe he was the next Keith Hernandez. He was out of position there.
Salty is a catcher. Probably going to be a very good one for a long time. But he had more value to the Braves as a catcher they could trade to fill the first-base need, than he did as a first baseman trying to fill that need himself during a playoff run. He wasn’t going to get any playing time at first base the rest of the season for a manager who didn’t have the confidence in him to keep running him out there in a division race after the All-Star break.
Besides, as much as some would have you believe this was just some arbitrary decision to yank Salty from the lineup and play old man Franco, fact is Salty hit .228 with two extra-base hits (doubles) and two RBIs in 15 games (15 games with multiple at-bats in each) during July, including 10-for-51 (.196) with 10 strikeouts and three walks in the last 13 of those games.
That’s when the Braves decided it was worth signing Franco, and that’s when Cox started playing Franco every day to see what he had left and to better gauge how desperate it was for the Braves to make a deal for a first baseman.
So they got the best player available on the trade market, and they got a competent lefty reliever, Ron Mahay, as part of the same trade. Two birds with four stones _ Salty, shortstop prospect Elvis Andrus, who’s 18, lefty prospect Matt Harrison and righty prospect Neifi Feliz, who’s 19.
Yes, they gave up a lot of young talent. But folks, for every Braves fan that will how that the Braves mortgaged the future and that Schuerholz and Bobby Cox only care about going out with a flourish in this season and/or next season, there are two Braves fans who would have howled if the Braves didn’t get Teixeira that the team isn’t a small-market team and shouldn’t behave like it by overvaluing its prospects and not trying to win now.
That’s just the way it is. You can’t please everyone, and the Braves don’t try to make decisions to please the most number of folks possible. They’re trying to win now. All teams do in this day and age, at least all teams who run successful operations. This isn’t a build-for-the-future business as much as it is a win-now, and win-in-the-future, too, business.
You have to make very hard decisions that are going to upset a lot of people. The Braves made a big one yesterday. It could blow up in their faces if Salty goes on to become the next Johnny Bench, or just if he’s better over the next 5-6 years than Brian McCann is. And if Elvis becomes The King (of defensive shortstops) for the next decade. Or if Feliz or Harrison becomes a front-line pitcher.
Personally, I was so struck by how remarkably timid Harrison seemed in spring training, that I found it hard to believe he’d become a true staff ace. Just don’t know many pitchers with that kind of personality who are true aces in the majors.
Now, the Feliz kid, from all accounts, has got a ton of potential. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he becomes a very good major league pitcher. But he’s in low-A ball. He’s 19. He’s 3-4 years, minimum, from being a factor.
You can’t assume a kid is going to develop steadily over the next four years and be a major league contributor. You don’t just build a great farm system in order to continually fuel your major league team. You build a farm system so that you can also use some of those players to trade and bring in proven commodities, such as a Teixeira, to fill holes in a playoff race.
This division race is wide open. The Mets (13-13 in July) aren’t world-beaters, and the Braves lineup is now at least as good, if not better, than New York’s. Philly has won nine of 10, but the injuries are stacking up and I don’t think they’re pitching is good enough to hold off the Braves down the stretch.
The Braves might have a better shot at winning the division than they do the wild card, given how many solid teams there are out west and given how the Cubs and D-Backs look like they might win their divisions and relegate the Brewers, Dodgers and Padres to competing for wild-card berths.
But with the division so wide open, Schuerholz just made it possible for the Braves to make a legit run at reclaiming what was theirs for 14 consecutive completed seasons. It’s on the players and Cox now to bring it home.
Tex ain’t driving South, but you get the point here:
“DRIVE SOUTH” by John Hiatt
I didn’t say we wouldn’t hurt anymore
That’s how you learn, you just get burned
But we don’t have to feel like dirt anymore
Though love’s not earned, baby its our turn
We were always looking for true north
With our heads in the clouds, just a little off course
I left the motor running, now if you’re feeling down and out
Come on baby drive South, with the one you love
Come on baby drive South, with the one you love
I’m not talkin’ bout retreatin’ little girl
Gonna take our stand, in this Chevy van
Windows open on the rest of the world
Holdin’ hands, all the way to Dixieland
We’ve been tryin to turn our lives around
Since we were little kids, it’s been wearin’ us down
Don’t turn away now darlin’ let’s fire it up and wind it out
Come on baby drive South, with the one you love
Come on baby drive South, with the one you love
I heard your mama callin’, I think she was just stallin’
Don’t know who she was talkin to, baby me and you
We could go down with a smile on, don’t bother to pack your nylons
Just keep them pretty legs showin’, it gets hot down where were goin’
We were always looking for true north
With our heads in the clouds, just a little off course
I left the motor running, now if you’re feeling down and out’
Come on baby drive, come on baby drive South, come on baby drive South
Come on baby drive South, with the one you love
Come on baby drive South, with the one you love
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Comments
By northbeach Scott
July 31, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
Good perspective, DOB. Gotta believe that Liberty Media has been wise not to reveal the payroll budget so that JS can wheel and deal. I think that there may be something in the works to get Tex and Andruw signed before the end of the season. What a shot in the arm that would be for those players and the team. Any perspective at this point to believe that could be managed with Boras in mid-season, even though he typically does not allow his clients to do so?
By Chuck James is solid!! (Formerly Steve-O)
July 31, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
Great trade! Now get Arroyo and Dotel ASAP SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Joe Fan
July 31, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
DOB,
I take it that with Salty gone that Pena will be called up? Who will be moved to make room for Pena?
By Carolina Gent
July 31, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
DOB, Assuming Pena is called up to back up McCann, who’s going down? And, are there any others being mentioned in a possible deal for Arroyo? I like the Teixeira trade, and will like it better if we can keep him beyond ‘08.
By David-ATL14
July 31, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
Good to hear from you DOB. Nice Spot yesterday on the Mike & Mad Dog Show.
Gave a good accounting of yourself and a nice look into the Front Office machinations. Well Done Indeed!
By Dru
July 31, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
DOB, any news yet on whether Tex will get in for tonight’s game??
By Fred Secunda
July 31, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
Will Tex be in the lineup tonight?
By Herschel Talker
July 31, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
First!
DOB: you the man, as usual!
By Big Easy
July 31, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
So, do we have an estimate as to when the Medical Review for the Teixeira trade will be done, so that JS can pursue other deals? And how much truth is there to the Arroyo rumor? Highly unlikely or is it at least conceivable that we could see him in a Braves uni soon?
By Jason
July 31, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
The additions of Tex and hopefully Dotel could make a huge difference these next two months…but we still need another starting pitcher. Reyes has a ton of talent, but it doesn’t appear he’s ready for a spot in the rotation. DOB, do you have a follow up to your story yesterday that the Braves were pursuing Bronson Arroyo? He would be a great addition if the Braves could pull it off…
By Andy
July 31, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
I know this is pretty much a done deal, but is there anyway that Texas gets scared about the health of Harrison and decides to axe the deal?
By geauxbraves2000
July 31, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
I agree it was a great trade for the Braves. One question though, what is the hold up? Why is this medical review taking so long? While we wait, Dayton Moore may be blown away with a deal for Dotel and pull the trigger. Are JS’s hands completely tied waiting for this trade to be official?
Geaux Braves!!
By John
July 31, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
I could not agree more.
By Mark
July 31, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
Dave, How close are the Braves to acquiring Arroyo? I think another proven starter could go a long way in how far the Braves can go in October.
By Bryan from Kansas (Go KU )
July 31, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
David….
Great stories to break the news….I missed you with Charley Steiner yesterday, I bet it was a great interview as always…
Have you heard anything more on the Bronson Arroyo deal.. like who we would be dealing?
By BravesFanInRockies
July 31, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
Mornin’ DOB,
There are lots of conflicting reports about the Dotel situation, about half saying that there never was a deal or that the teams came close but won’t consummate it.
Any idea how soon before 4 p.m. your time we’ll know?
My reason for asking is, if this trade doesn’t happen, is there likely to be a backup plan not involving an August deal?
Thanks.
By pinkygonzales
July 31, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
DOB, What are you hearing about Arroyo? Any fire there? Or is it just smoke? He would be a huge pick-up, if we could get him.
By Justin
July 31, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
first?
By Jeff321
July 31, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
I sure hope Yates & Paronto get the boot.
By Yo
July 31, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Great trade! I can only hope that Cox now wises up and puts Tex in the 4 hole where he belongs. This team is not going to contend with a .215 hitter batting cleanup. I know Cox has an allegiance to Andruw but it’s time to think about making the playoffs. Andruw has made his bed and now he must lie in it. I have already heard speculation that Cox wants to put Tex in the 5th spot in order for Andruw to get better pitches. One can only hope this does not happen. Moves like this have robbed us of multiple titles in the past and I hope this time around will not be the same.
By Arkansas Braves fan
July 31, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Dob, Mlb trade rumors is saying Kenny Williams is discussing Vasquez and Garland. Is their any chance the braves get in on eithier of the two. Also, is their any new news on Dotel or Arroyo. Thanks, Go Braves!
By Ron H
July 31, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
I’d like to see Dotel added, but we still need a serviceable No. 3 or 4 starter…
I’m watching the game tonight to see TEX in action…
Gooo braves!
By NO CHOP ZONE
July 31, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
All of us here at Mets nation have decided to give up on the season now that the braves have won the division by trading for Tex. We’ll just give up that 4.5 game lead and wait for next season.
By bryan
July 31, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
So what are the roster moves now? Can we risk Thorman being sent down? Is he a trade candidate? I really like Julio off the bench and on the field … i would like to know what he has to say about Tex … i would like to know what Tex has to say about Tex.
By JB
July 31, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
Any chance we get both Dotel and Arroyo ?
By JordanPTC
July 31, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
AWESOME! hope we land Dotel and let DM and the Royals try and figure out Davies.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
DOB, a couple of questions. 1) Will Tex be in the lineup tonight. I would assume he is already on his way to Atlanta since the deal is going to go through. Its just a matter of whom that fourth pitcher will be. 2) Are the Braves going after a starter and how aggressively are they going after one?
By GTA
July 31, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
first?
By Rome Fan
July 31, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
Not to be too picky, but Feliz is not in Low-A ball….he’s in Danville, which is Rookie League, below Low-A Rome and High-A Myrtle Beach. Supposedly has a lot of potential, though, so we’ll see….
By Tim
July 31, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
DOB I totally agree. Braves have to win now. We just don’t know how much longer we are gonna have Chipper and Smoltz around and next year will probably be Cox’s final year. This is the time to do it.
By batcork
July 31, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
OK, maybe not JD Drew 2.0, but squarely in between Drew (1 yr rental) and Sheff (2 yr rental). Both of whom helped the Braves to the playoffs but not a ring. I expect Tex will be chapter 3 of this same saga. Playoffs, yes. Ring, no. Have we been reduced to just hoping for the playoffs, and being satisfied with something short of a world title? Maybe the next few hours will tell.
By Ron H
July 31, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
It’s a given Pena has to come up, and somebody has to go down…my guess is that THORMAN is gone.
If we get Dotel or Arroyo, and with the recent addition of Mahay, who else is gone?
Tough decisions to make.
Good luck and gooo braves!
By Jt
July 31, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
Perfectly said, DOB. Schuerholz has been able to find a great balance between developing young players for the Braves roster and using them as trade bait for proven talent. That is why they have been in the post season hunt every year for the past 15 (had he been able to pull off a deal last year, they might would have competed better last year). Of the 4 players, only Salty is close to a sure thing. Texeria is a proven hitter and the chances of signing him to an extension before free agency (as per Tim Hudson) is better than signing AJ as a free agent. It is no secret that JS does not like to deal with Boras. But if Texeria runs his own life, he may be inclined to sign early so that he can play with a perennial contender. AND Mahay was critical to the deal. Sure, CJ Wilson would have been better, but it wasn’t going to happen. Mahay has been very effective this year and we all know how badly the Braves need an effective lefty reliever. As a long time Braves fan, I see NO downside to the trade. We are now in the race.
By AJ GREEN WEARS #1
July 31, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
DOB,
Great article.Where is TEX right now? Still in Texas or on his way to Atlanta? This deal needs signed off on so we can get him suited up!
By LT (double A blogger)
July 31, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Couldn’t agree any more on all points. Even in Tex is gone after 08, I can’t state this is a bad trade because it makes sense this season and next season. Worry about 09 in 08 not 07.
I am not sold on letting Davies go. Will Dotel be brought in to replace Wicky or will he be setting up Wicky. If he is replacing Wicky, I’d be more apt to agree with that trade.
By OnDeckBatta10
July 31, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
DOB Great read.. any chance we make another big move today for a starter? Maybe Arroyo and I’m hearing Carlos Silva (Ick)
By Train Wreck Bystander
July 31, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
This Dotel trade worries me - he turns up on many lists of overrated players. Not that I mind giving up Davies - but I question whether Dotel is going to be that great an acquisition.
Looking forward to tonight’s game.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
DOB, how will the roster be restructured? I assume B. Pena will be called up to be the backup catcher. If Dotel is acquired, I would assume Ascaino goes back down. But, what do the Braves do with Thorman? If they trade for a starter and Thorman isn’t part of the deal, who goes? Will Cox only keep six relievers so he can have six bench players or will he stay with seven relievers? If Cox decides to go with six relievrs, who are the two other relievers that get the axe?
By Lew
July 31, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
NoBrainZone-That may be the only smart thing you’ve ever done. Mets are going down.
By Ron H
July 31, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
No Chop, we know the Mets aren’t laying down their bats. in fact, you guys just traded for a gold glover…
i’d say that the lineups are now about equal and it is going to come down to pitching…
i think it’s going to come down to you or us. the phillies are hot right now, but i suspect they’re going to fade when they go against somebody good.
this division will be won by the Braves or Mets, and it will come down to the final week, possibly even the final series of the season…
we’re fighting tooth and nail the whole way there…
goooo braves!!!
By Brian Dudley
July 31, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
I agree. The Braves traded proven for potential. Granted, they did give up a lot of potential, but they got back a lot of proven. I remember that it seemed that they gave up a lot to get McGriff years back, but I don’t remember any of those guys turning out to be world beaters. I think Keith Mitchell and Melvin Nieves were part of that trade, but I can’t remember. The fact that I can’t remember probably says something. I would have loved to have traded some “magic” beans to Texas for Teixeira and Mahay, but GMs seem to be funny about wanting value for value. Anyway, if nothing else the trade seems to signal that the Braves will be once again making bold moves to improve the team, which they seem to have shied away from in recent years. Thankfully, they are under new management.
By Mr. David
July 31, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
DOB I’m stoked about the trade and will be there tailgating Sat. Any suggestions for a Tex related ipod playlist? BTW I’ve got 1000 cd’s to choose from lol!
By NCBravesFan
July 31, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
I can’t believe people think that the Braves should not have taken this chance by trading for Tex. Our odds are significantly improved to make the playoffs with this shot in the arm in the offense.
The key down the stretch will be Smoltz’s shoulder. If it holds up, we have three good starters, which is all you really need in a playoff scenario.
A bullpen arm or two today (Dotel) would help slam the door at the end of the games.
If the above plays out, ATL has to be a favorite to reach the Series this year in a pathetic NL.
If Salty and Franco would have platooned at first, we’d likely have finished 3rd or 4th in the division. You don’t stick a kid at an unfamiliar position in a pennant race and ask him to perform.
By Another Arkansas Braves Fan
July 31, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
Will Tex be in the lineup tonight??? Thanks DOB!
By Luther
July 31, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
DOB- Enjoyed listening to you on 680 this morning. Ecspecially your answer to Perry’s idiotic assesment that “if the Braves don’t win the World Series this is a bad move.” I love how he backed off his position, “thats what the fans will say.” Typical Mets fan, go home and put on your Yankees hat now.
By KC
July 31, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Ron H: It’s not certain that Tex will be in the lineup tonight since the deal still isn’t official.
By ChampDawg
July 31, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
Making the playoffs and then doing well once you’re in depends more on pitching than hitting. Until the Braves do something about the pitching, Tex ain’t the answer. Smoltz.. iffy due to the shoulder, Huddy.. good most of the time, James-Reyes, etc. I wouldn’t give a plug nickel for.
By knowitall
July 31, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
RIJIB, I believe Ascaino will have to be sent down to make room for Mahay.
By Yars
July 31, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
The offense looks great now, especially if Andruw can up his average, & stop hitting into double plays. The starting rotation still needs to be tweaked. After Smoltz & Hudson, it looks bad. Jo Jo isn’t ready for the show. He should still be in Richmond. Carlyle is a journey man pitcher. James is inconsistent & throws nothing but junk. We can talk playoffs all we want, but until the starting rotation is addressed, what’s the point? This Atlanta team won’t make the playoffs if a decent starting pitcher isn’t added soon.
By Big Kev
July 31, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this
Cox will carry seven relievers. Past history dictates bobby will overload the pen instead of more bench guys.
Pena is definitely coming back up and gives another good pinch hitter. I would have personally rather kept him up in spring training than woodward.
I think that Thorman has to be part of any deal to get Arroyo, who I think would be an outstanding pick up. And my god is davies for Dotel a sick JS dream or what. If this all goes through, JS has proven he is the greatest GM of all time.
By Roll Tide
July 31, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
ESPN Buster Olney reporting that the Dodgers have traded Wilson Betemit to the Yankees for Scott Proctor. Olney believe Betemit could be a starter for the Yanks next year if Arod leaves.
By Wayne in Utah
July 31, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
RJITB I suspect you will have to wait until around game time, or at least until any/all deals are finalized. There are so many ways this thing can go. Who knows what will happen.
I would think that Thorman will be dealt, even if only for a minor league prospect, if he is not included in some other deal for a starter. I think that a guy like JS has a few GM’s he is tighter with, and they do that scratch each others backs sort of thing when in a tight spot.
Just a guess.
By BG
July 31, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
Consider the stats on 3 relief pitchers:
A. 24 games, 23 IP, 2-1 record, 3.91 ERA, 11 saves in 14 opportunities, 29 K, 11 BB, WHIP = 1.52, Opponents’ BA. = .264, Opp’s Slg Pct. = .428, GO/AO = 1.28
B. 40 games, 40 IP, 3-1, 3.57 ERA, not a closer, 14 K, 19 BB, WHIP = 1.64, Opp’s BA = .307, Opp’s Slg. Pct. = .386, GO/AO = 1.36
C. 50 games, 44 IP, 2-3, 5.28 ERA, not a closer, 44 K, 24 BB, WHIP = 1.49, Opp’s BA = .247, Opp’s Slg. Pct. = .347, GO/AO = 0.84
A and B seem better than C but C has some strong points — good K’s per IP, low BA & SLG against.
A is Dotel, B is Paronto, and C is Yates. To get Dotel, the Braves would need to clear a spot. The likely candidates are Paronto and Yates. Other than in May when he came back from the DL, Paronto has pitched very well. So, that means Yates would need to be released (or sent to the DL).
If Yates could recapture his pre-July form, I don’t think Dotel is much of an upgrade. This might be a big “if”. Of course, if Dotel could pitch like he did in 2002 & 2003, then it would be great to get him.
Overall, I’m not convinced that getting Dotel is a top priority. Of course, one of the early rumors was Thorman for Dotel….now that would be a coup for the Braves. Please Dayton…you owe us one after the Braves giving your starting SS for the year. (Tony Pena has played fairly well for KC.)
By CMC
July 31, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Great Post today. In the past two weeks, I have become more convinced that such a move was needed for this team, future be damned. The cupboard is still plentiful with future prospects. Two playoff runs with Tex is a nice thought.
Dealing future talent is a tough call. Knowing JS the way you do, is it possible that he considers a young talent “untouchable” at some point in time? Or does a seasoned GM consider “anyone for sale” with the right offer?
I would be happy to see further deals made as long as we retain the services of Escobar, Brandon Jones and one of Hansen/Reyes. Escobar is legit and can play one of three infield positions down the road. Jones is a 5-tool outfielder that is destined to replace Andruw in the lineup next year or the year thereafter. It would be great to hold onto a pitching prospect or two once we see Smoltz and Hudson exit.
With this being said, do you consider any of the Braves young guys “untouchable” at this point?
Finally, the Hiatt tune “Down South” was re-released by a female country singer back in the 1990’s. Care to guess the name?
By don
July 31, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
O’Brien is the ultimate homer. The giddiness is getting out of hand.
Of course, he will have plenty of time to come to his senses when the season ends abruptly and the playoffs begin without the Braves.
You people would have been great in 1929 when the stock market crashed.
By kdbanks
July 31, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
I, for one, hope the Davies deal goes through and that he can reclaim himself in K.C., much like Jason Marquis did in St. Louis.
By Yars
July 31, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
Man, Kyle Davies was given every opportunity to prove he is a solid MLB starting pitcher. He failed for Atlanta. We lost patience with him. Maybe a new environment will be good for him. It worked for Marquis. Watching Davies pitch gave me a headache. That one game I believe against the Dodgers where he couldn’t hold a 6 run lead did it for me.
By Braves Fan 79
July 31, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
I think Davies has the potential to be a REALLY good pitcher…but hes probably still a year or 2 away and i think hes worth trading if we can get Dotel.
Im glad we hung onto Escobar…man what our record would be if we had him out of spring training instead of woodcrap or orr. da Braves are BACK!! As long as Smoltz is healthy enough to give us a solid 6 or 7 innings in the playoffs i look for this team to go far!
By Don
July 31, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
I hate to see the Braves lose Salty and Andrus but they were both at positions of strength and there’s a gaping hole at first, so I think this is a trade the Braves had to make. Might as well try to do something while Smoltz and Chipper are still around and productive and while the National League stinks. If Liberty doesn’t increase the budget, the Braves aren’t likely to be regular contenders long-term anyway.
However, I’m not going to throw too many bouquets in the direction of Schuerholz after he inexplicably threw away $5+ million in the offseason on 4 stiffs - Redman, Wilson, Woodward, and an injured Sturtze (who the Braves must think won’t pitch this year given the pursuit of Dotel). Has any GM in the history of baseball ever had 4 worse free agent signings in one offseason?
Hopefully with this trade we’ve finally seen the last of Chris Woodward. Thank God we’ve at least seen the last of him starting at first base.
By BamaBrave
July 31, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
Roger all that, DOB! These next two months - hopefully these next three months - will be as exciting as any for Braves fans in the last 16 years. How refreshing to actually be involved in these developments, instead of watching from the sidelines…
By dadgum
July 31, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
All the players in this trade are just bit players except of course for Tex and Salty. That is all this trade is really about anyway. You look at the short term power impact to a team and the Braves just steamrolled the Rangers. Nothing against Salty however.
The Braves just simply won the short term value. The pitchers acquired trust me amount to nothing in the short term. Can’t see any impact to this team. As I said prior I really have a hard time putting any faith in relief pitchers. They look great one outing then bad the next. i.e. what has happened to the Soriano, Wickman, Gonsalez triumvirate. Things happen. Glad to get Mahay but not hanging any hopes on him. Ditto Dotel if we get him. He might be better than Davies in the stats but again not getting excited one bit. The Braves are doing what they have to do to win now and that is the right move. Agreed with DOB that top prospects are sometimes groomed to be dealt if it will acquire the veteran missing link. The Braves have been weak at 1st for a long time (including LaRouche). I can’t help but see similarities to the McGriff trade back in I think ‘93 but let’s hope without the fire.
Again with the exception of Tex And Salty nobody will remember any of the others traded after ‘08. The real real value of this trade long term will be if the BRaves can sign Tex to a multi year deal after this year. Wrap him up where he wants to play the most. Say through 2011 at 13-14 mil per. Then say goodby to Andruw. If they can sign Tex then they will have won both the short and long term value of this trade at least prior to the on field performance which of course is the future analysis of all trades. Go get ‘em Tex. Please.
By Big Kev
July 31, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this
if proctor is headed to LA, then that signals to me that Dotel is ATL bound, since LA was the other in the Dotel race.
By TommyP
July 31, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this
Great time of year to be a baseball fan. No other sport had a trade deadline like baseball. Beautiful.
It appears when Bobby tires of a player, he’s generally gone. Davies appears to be that guy so there’s no doubt they’ll do the Davies for Dotel deal.
Davies seems pretty solid from the windup but is horrible from the stretch.
I think the Braves are giving up a little more than Teixeira is worth but I believe that’s because Schuerholz/Cox are at the end of a long, great run together. They won’t be around when these prospects are reaching the majors (aside from Salty).
I’m very glad that we aren’t dealing Yunel or Renteria. We need both for this run.
Yunel can be our super-utility guy that is so needed in a Braves infield. Chipper is going to be out some (that’s a given) so you HAVE to have someone at 3rd but Escobar can also spell Renteria at short and Kelly at 2B.
I’d love to see Andruw in the 6th hole.
By NO CHOP ZONE
July 31, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
I’ll remember those words LEW-SER. You’ve predicted failure for the Mets in the past and still they lead the division……Pssst Pedro is coming.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
Why does all of the MEDIA Outlets and (some)FANS just ASSUME the BRAVES can’t RE-SIGN….BOTH ANDRUW and TEX?
The FACT is that we don’t know!
I would argue that this move could signal that LIBERTY MEDIA may have told JS that the PAYROLL will be INCREASING
Also don’t forget…After next year, HAMPTON’S big contract will be gone (he’s making Andruw’s money)
So….Knowing that that contract is going to be gone and so will WICKMAN’S 6 mil,…THAT IS 20 Million FREED UP!
* SO…It would only take a small Payroll Increase to keep BOTH Andruw and Tex (maybe 7-10 million more)*
And as DOB has reported, ANDRUW really wants to stay….
I would not be surprised to see us KEEP BOTH ANDRUW and TEX
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 31, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
Page hit…cha-ching Page hit…cha-ching Page hit…cha-ching Page hit…cha-ching Page hit…cha-ching Page hit…cha-ching. I don’t know if all this buzz is Braves Fans or the sound of the AJC’s servers on the brink of a chaotic explosion. What a great time to be a Braves Fan!! I watched “the hit and the slide” at Fulton County Stadium on YouTube over and over for thirty minutes lastnight. Makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck every time.
“They may have to hospitalize Sid Bream….”—Skip
By john
July 31, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this
Was there any cash considerations in the trade. If not, makes me wonder how much Liberty is raising the payroll, and how much Hampton’s insurance covered his contract.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB welcome back some questions for you 1)Will Tex be in the lineup tonight? 2)When will the trade be finalized? 3)What are the chances that we get Dotel or a starter?
By Chuck James is solid!! (Formerly Steve-O)
July 31, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
Yars,
You are clearly unaware that Chuck James is solid!!!!!!
By Lew
July 31, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
Y’all-One out of five posts so far on this blog are asking DOB either if A.Texiera will be in the lineup tonight, or B. Who will be moved when the deals are done. Uh, Don’t you think maybe that you’ll get the answers when A. DOB actually has the answer to give you and B. When the deals that this information would predicated on were done deals? Give the guy a break. When was the last time the Braves announced roster moves until the last minute? He doesn’t know either. In the past two days he has flown on a red eye flight from the Arizona, done at the very least four interviews for radio and has been on the phones for the better part of a week tryng to get any clue whatsoever. I’m certain he doesn’t need to be prompted by 1/5 of all the posters. You’ll learn what he knows when he knows it-Just like always.
By SSI Fan
July 31, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
DOB
Off topic, but have the Braves signed their first draft pick? If not, what is the deadline for signing him?
By Buck Naked
July 31, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
Hey… not to nit-pick, but just who was the Player To Be Named Later obtained for Ryan Langerhans? Did I miss something? Does Homeboy keep calling, and the Beane says, “Later..” Was there actually a player whose name is “Later”? Did he start out with another name, and they named him “Later”? Maybe that’s all they had to do, was name a player “Later” without actually trading him. (When he leaves the park, his teammates say, “See ya Later!”) I get really confused with all the rules. My head hurts.
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Joe Fan… good question about Pena. Gotta have that backup catcher in the clubhouse tonight. Jeff321… gotta disagree with ya, man. Yates and Paronto, when healthy and well-rested, are damn-good and young bullpen arms. Getting Mahay, and hopefully Dotel, too, will only make those guys better. How scary should that be for the Philthies and Mutts?
I, too, wonder what Teixeira’s travel status is, with this “medical review” still holding everybody up.
And, No Chop Zone, I already know how we make up at least three of those games we’re behind you in. Do you?
We played 9 games the first half of the season against your Mutts, and went 6-3. We have 9 games remaining… so say we go, oh, I don’t know, 6-3 in those games as well, with a much improved Braves’ squad versus your Castillo-enhanced (chuckles) team.
There. Three games made up. Start sweating buddy.
By William
July 31, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Dave,
That was a great post. Tons of REAL info and not a bunch of baseball BS.
But slow down, take a nap and stay off the caffeine and coffee. You are wired baby.
Thanks!
By BigD
July 31, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
Will Tex be in the line-up tonight?
By Austin
July 31, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
I beleive the Braves should go after Farnsworth. Yes, Farnsworth. Al though his ERA is 4.57 this year, he was 10/10 in save oppurtunities with a 1.98 ERA with the Brvaes. Now that Proctor was traded to LAD, I doubt Farnsworth will be moved, but I beleive he could have been easily aqquired.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
For the love of all that is sacred, when is this deal going to be finalized?
Is JS in negotiations with other teams regarding other trades? Is the fact that the Rangers’ deal not finalized hamstringing JS?
Regards,
Jason
By Shaun
July 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
DOB,
I think one important fact that gets overlooked by those who don’t like the trade is the offensive side of Salty playing first base.
If Salty stayed he would have had to become the first baseman eventually. Even if he became an adequate or good defensive first basemen his value would have gone down offensively because it’s much easier to find first basemen who can hit than catchers who can hit.
The AVERAGE major league first baseman has hit .275/.356/.458 this season. A player does that as a catcher and he’s one of the most valuable players in the game.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 31, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
Wilson Betemit for Scott Proctor. How many times did we hear that proposal last summer when the Braves were looking for relief help?
By Austin
July 31, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
Thank you Lew, If DOB had the answers he would have told u sby now!!!
By Joe Schmoe
July 31, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
SSI Fan…
Neither Heyward or Fields(one of the second rounders and a Boras client) have signed. The deadline is August 15 and I think it’s a pretty safe bet that Heyward will sign around then…
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
For the record, my questions weren’t directed at DOB…sort of venting my anxiety out loud…
Regards,
Jason
By DAP
July 31, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
hopefully tex is on his way or in atlanta already so that he can play tonight whenever the trade goes through. hurry up, texas!!!
i think the linup should look like this tonight.
(1) kelly johnson 2b (2) Edgar SS (3) Chipper 3b (4) Tex 1b (5) andruw CF (6) Mccann C (7) Frenchy RF (8) harriis LF
dang that a good lineup! andruw has been playing well enough to bat cleanup i think, but having two power switch hitters back to back will be great in late situations. and has been hitting well and should hit 5th, and Mccann should always seperate frenchy and Andruw in my opinion.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
The METS have other issues right now, they better worry about BELTRAN and not whatever PEDRO is doing
For anyone who hasn’t seen this….
From the METS’ website:
NEW YORK — *For Carlos Beltran, the disabled list may have just bridged the gap from possibility to probability. An MRI taken Sunday morning on Beltran’s strained left oblique revealed small amounts of fluid, signaling an abdominal tear.
The Mets will continue to monitor Beltran’s situation before their next game on Tuesday, at which point they could place their center fielder on the DL.
“I feel sore, I feel tight, I can’t swing, I can’t run,” Beltran said. “That’s the way I feel, so I’m not able to play.”*
Psst…Hey MUTS…we’re sprinting behind you!!!!!!!!
By Marty
July 31, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
It’s amazing to me that after winning the division ONCE — immediately following fifteen straight years of failure — Mets fans are so sure that they’ve got it all figured out. Go on and stay cocky…it may be this year, and it may not be ‘til next year, but you’re not going to stay on top for long.
By David-ATL14
July 31, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Pena will not be in the clubhouse tonight, he is currently catching for the Richmond Braves, in the lovely berg of Toledo Ohio.
Probably have Corky Miller on standby in an ATL hotel.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
NoBrainZone-Yeah right. Put all your eggs in the basket carried by an aging pitcher, a mere shadow of his former great self before the injuries, who just had rotator cuff surgery (not to mention chronic toe problems). Do you realize how pitiful that is? No, I guess not. You don’t have the brainpower to analyze anything that finely. Have they even let him start pitching any more than once every ten days yet? Keep convincing yourself that over the hill Pedro is your saviour and that the 4 1/2 game lead is insurmountable. Your delusional outlook needs all the help it can get, Mosquito Boy. Hey, I’ve got to give Omar His props, though. Picking up Castillo to replace Valentin was a good move-They may actually have upgraded. Won’t offset old pee in his pants over a knee buckling curve Beltran’s loss though, will it? Oh yeah, I forgot-I should be worried. Moises Alou is back-For just how long until he breaks down yet again? Dream On Little NoBrainZone, there will be crying in your elementary school by the end of August. The Mets are going down. You should be glad, though. All those injuries to the Phillies may just save the Mets from that third place finish I predicted. Oh, BTW, NO BrainZone-just where are all those deals the Mets were going to pull off with all of that money they supposedly have? Been wondering about that for some time now.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
This is from Mark Bowman over at MLB.com:
“Once the Mark Teixeira deal is finalized, GM John Schuerholz will turn his focus toward improving his pitching staff. If he’s willing to part with Kyle Davies, there’s a chance he could land Royals closer Octavio Dotel. With one NL scout saying the Braves are still in discussions with the White Sox, there’s a chance Schuerholz could land Jon Garland or Javier Vazquez. Although Bronson Arroyo is on the radar, the Braves may not have the necessary pieces to add him to their rotation. — Mark Bowman”
Regards,
Jason
By Austin
July 31, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
My Lineup
Against RHP 1.KJ 2.Edgar 3.Chipper 4.Tex 5.Andruw 6.McCann 7.Frenchy 8.Willie
Against LHP 1.Escobar 2.Edgar 3.Chipper 4.Tex 5. Andruw 6.Frenchy 7.Diaz 8.McCann
By Mike in 'fretta
July 31, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
A lot of people seem worried that all this trading will deplete our minor leagues of talent and will leave the cupboard bare…but does that really matter?
The Braves are a young team and have a history of drafting well. They will replenish the minors because they are great at recognizing young talent.
Also, I have to believe that if they don’t trade Escobar by the deadline (and I hope they don’t) then they are grooming him to take over SS next year. I don’t think it is a stretch to say that this is Edgar’s last season with the Braves. The Braves will probably trade him because of his salary and because with Escobar they have a very talented and cheap replacement.
The only area I have concern for the future of the Braves is in Starting Pitching. It has been way too long since we have developed a dependable top of the rotation starter.
By Rick
July 31, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
Dave,
Bringing Fred McGrif had a bigger impact than these trades. The Braves went on fire after the trade. (So did the stadium)
I rather have Arroyo than Dotel.
By NCBravesFan
July 31, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
Beltran? I thought Beltran was still standing at home plate waiting for the Adam Wainwright curve. ;-)
By Salty
July 31, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Lew…you beat me to it. I hate reading through all the ‘bloga vu’….over and over, ad nauseum! The Braves/MIB blog wouldn’t even exist if DO’B didn’t have the same passion as we fans, so…he is as vitally interested in the same questions we all have, wants the answers ASAP, and will let us know just as quickly.
Chase…you’re rubbing off on me…and I skipped the caffeine altogether! :-)
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 31, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this
DOB,
After all these page hits, your next blog lyrics should be Pink Floyd—Money.
“I’m alright, Jack. Keep your hands off of my stack.”
By RIP SaltyWoody
July 31, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
Alas, my name just doesn’t make sense anymore, assuming the trade goes through. But, heck, I’ll trade my alias for that big, switch-hitting, smooth-fielding corner infielder any day.
Nice blog, DOB. Totally agree. The Braves just more or less solidified a chance to make a run at the playoffs for the next two years. And with all the ties between Tex and Georgia Tech/Atlanta, and with a lot of money freeing up next year because of Andruw/Wickman/Etc. coming off the books, I sure hope we can resign Texeira.
QUESTION FOR THE DENIZENS A lot of you have been saying that you still think the team doesn’t make the playoffs without adding a starter. Does Dotel count almost as much?
The reason I ask is this: if you add Dotel to the bullpen mix, it is instantly upgraded to a VERY strong ‘pen, particularly considering the addition of Mahay. That means that you have Soriano, Yates, Moylan, and Dotel who are capable of pitching in the 7th and 8th and coming in in the 9th if there is a particularly tought situation. As we’ve all decided, Wickman’s great coming in with a clean slate but terrible coming in to a pressure situation. Now you have four guys all capable of coming in and being downright nasty, getting us out of jams. Also, we finally have a guy that can get lefties out consistently (at least hopefully), which we haven’t had in quite some time since Gonzo went down.
As I see it, this makes up for adding a 3/4/5 starter.
How so?
Our 3/4/5 guys have proven they can go 5 or 6 strong innings. Jo Jo can throw 5 strong no problem, we all know Chuckie can do that, and Carlyle’s been proving that he can even go further than that at times. They start to get into trouble when they are asked to go longer than that…mostly to try to save wear and tear on the bullpen.
But if you now have a bullpen that looks like this: Soriano(1 nasty inning, maybe 2 solid), Moylan (1 or 2 innings), Oscar (as many as you need), Yates (1 maybe 2), Dotel (1 strong inning), Paronto (1 maybe 2), Wickman (1, and only if it’s his to begin), Mahay (1 inning…and any outs needed against lefties), all of a suddent that really rounds things into shape.
My guess is the reason Yates/Wiki/Soriano have been hittable lately is that they’ve been taxed recently. It was inevitable while Jo Jo finds adjusts to the majors and Buddy/Chuckie work to find their grooves.
By bringing in Dotel, you take a TON of pressure off the big late inning guys…Soriano gets more rest, Yates doesn’t have as big shoes to fill, we have an alternative to Wickman, Moylan can pitch early in the game if need be.
In turn, this also takes the weight off the 3/4/5 starters’ backs because they know that going 5 strong will be much more acceptable now than it was a week ago. It takes the weight off of Huddie and Smoltz because they don’t feel the need to try to pitch a complete game every time out. It takes the weight off Bobby’s mind because he knows he has 5 or 6 VERY competent relievers to turn to if need be.
As I see it, our rotation is just fine if we add Dotel to the mix…and our bullpen returns to being lights out.
This is also not to mention the fact that, and sorry if I’m beating a dead Hoss here (pun intended), WE JUST ADDED BIG TEX
That’s got to mean a few more runs a game here and there, further relieving pressure on the startes AND the pen. It also means Chipper gets more pitches to hit in front of TEX, a lot of the pressure on Andruw to perform is relieved, and means that 1-8, there is not an easy out in our entire lineup.
Furthermore, it means we can now bring Julio off the bench…a situation he was meant to be in, not starting every game. It means, on any given day, we have two of these four guys available to pinch hit, too: Kelly/Willie/Diaz/Escobar.
THAT, my friends, is a PLAYOFF CONTENDER
Would love to hear what everyone thinks. But, I think Tex could definitely get us over the hump if everything else stays as is (Smoltz/Chipper stay healthy, everyone else continues to perform). And I think adding someone like Dotel puts us in the playoffs for sure.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
On ESPN First Take they said Dotel is coming to Atlanta, once the Tex trade is done, for more than likely Kyle Davies
By KC
July 31, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
DAP: I’ll disagree with you only slightly. I think Andruw should be hitting 7th. And against a righty (and ONLY against a righty), I’d bat Harris leadoff.
1-Harris (L)
2-Renteria (R)
3-Chipper (S)
4-Tex (S)
5-Francoeur (R)
6-McCann (L)
7-Andruw (R)
8-Johnson (L)
Against a lefty, I’d bat Escobar leadoff… so in short, I like what BC’s doing there. KJ doesn’t deserve to hit 8th, but in the words of Clint Eastwood in “Unforgiven”… Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.
By DAP
July 31, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
wow i just watched sid’s slide a couple of times on you tube, and i have goosbumps all over. that was an amazing year.
ya’ll go to youtube and search for sid bream and youll see it. does any body else thing that bream resmbles francour a little when they show him close up?
By Roll Tide
July 31, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
Has anyone seen the stats for Tanyon Sturtze this year? From milb.com he is 0-5 with an ERA of 11.05 and hitters are batting .375 against him. I do not want to see him in the bullpen anytime soon.
By DAP
July 31, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
this has been the longest off-day ever! i cant wait till tonight!
By Lew
July 31, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this
SSI Fan-If I’m not mistaken, their first round pick was signed right after the draft-on the same day.
By Salty
July 31, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
In expectations of a trade being finalized, would the players involved already have travelled to their new cities, just in case?
By northbeach Scott
July 31, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
SSI I believe the deadline for signing 2007 amateur draft picks is 8/15/07 and that the Braves have not signed their top pick out of Henry Cty High.
Relax everyone, just because we do not know what is going on does not mean that JS is not moving forward. I imagine Tex is already in Atlanta selecting his uniform number and meeting his teammates.
See you at the Ted!
By BravesFanInRockies
July 31, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
Hillbilly,
RE: Proctor/Wilson
Right on, man. The main diff this year is that Torre has had another full season to overuse Proctor, thus hastening the end of his career.
By SSI Fan
July 31, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Thanks Joe Schmoe. I hadn’t seen any news about his signing and knew the deadline was in August. I hate having Scott Boras’s clients on the Braves.
By Jay
July 31, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
The Braves continue to wait on the Mark Teixeira deal to be formalized before finalizing their trade for Octavio Dotel. Sources told Yahoo! Sports’ Tim Brown that neither deal had any chance of falling through. The Braves are trading Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz and a second pitcher for Teixeira and Ron Mahay, plus Kyle Davies to Kansas City for Dotel. Source: Yahoo! Sports
By RIP SaltyWoody
July 31, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
According to DOB’s story here: http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/stories/2007/07/30/trade_0730.html the Braves included Neftali Feliz:
“The second pitcher will be right-hander Neftali Feliz, 19, a hard-throwing Dominican rated the Braves’ No. 18 prospect by Baseball America. He has 70 strikeouts in 5 1/3 innings in two seasons at Rookie and Class-A levels.”
70 Strikeouts in 5 1/3 innings?!?!?! Crap. Maybe we shouldn’t have traded this guy. That’s over 14 strikeouts per inning. That’s ove 126 strikeouts per game. Sheesh. Not even Santana’s doing that.
Ehhh…even still, I’d rather have Tex. His name’s cooler.
By Josh
July 31, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the new blog DOB:
My only issue with shopping Davies for Dotel is that we not exactly abundant in starting pitching right now. Jo Jo Reyes hasn’t shown he can pitch at the major league level yet. You have to figure, that if he can’t find it in the next two starts here that he should be sent down for more work. No need to kill his confidence yet…
So if that happens and Davies is trading, do the Braves call up Lance Cormier? He looked good in spring training and at times in Richmond, but he has yet to actually translate that into a Major League game. Beyond those two…who else do we have to call? If we take care of the bullpen, does Blaine Boyer become 5th starter material? Or will Villareal get a chance to fill the void.
You know…after typing all that I guess I just realized that we have 4 options to throw into the #5 hole who can pitch at least as well as Davies has shown us this year.
I don’t want to give up on Davies yet. He’s still only 23 and he obviously has the arm to be dominant. I’d much rather go after starting pitching than Dotel just because we have two setup style guys (Asciano and Devine) who could see more big league time this year. But, if we can’t find a #3 starter in the next 3 hours, then Dotel makes the most sense.
Also, anyone have any idea on roster changes? Asciano is the obvious choice to be sent down from the pen, but I could almost see Yates go if he has options. He admitted that he’s lost his confidence. Paronto has actually been pitching well as of late.
As for bench moves, Julio has to stay (can he back up 3rd?), but the Braves have to make a move to bring up Pena. Thorman or Woodward probably. I hope its Woodward, because Thorman still has some upside. Diaz, Willy, Kelly, and Escobar are obviously staying put.
Oh…and I can’t wait to see Texeira play.
By Buzilla Baby Blues
July 31, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
Does Chipper still have the clap from that Hooters girl in Alpharetta?
By KC
July 31, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
3 hours to go… are medical records still standing in the way of anything?
Gosh, I hope not.
By Voice of Reason
July 31, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Mike in ‘fretta: It has been way too long since we have developed a dependable top of the rotation starter.
It’s been that way for alot of teams… How many dependable top of the rotation starters actually exist? Santana (8 losses)? Penny(health)? Peavey(pretty close)? Sabathia(probably)? Willis(please, spare me… 7-10, 4.95 ERA).
A truly dependable top of the rotation ace is a rare breed these days. Chicks dig the long ball, right?
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
DAP
Am I misunderstanding you or are you saying AJ should stay in the 4th hole? There is no way he should hit in the clean-up spot at this time.
By Patrick
July 31, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
The Braves continue to wait on the Mark Teixeira deal to be formalized before finalizing their trade for Octavio Dotel. Sources told Yahoo! Sports Tim Brown that neither deal had any chance of falling through. The Braves are trading Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz and a second pitcher for Teixeira and Ron Mahay, plus Kyle Davies to Kansas City for Dotel. Source: Yahoo! Sports
This is probably why the Dodgers pulled the trigger for Proctor. I bet KC said do deal for Dotel
By DrHoo
July 31, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Heh, Joe Morgan just said on an ESPN chat that even with Texeira the Mets have a much better lineup than the Braves. Typical from him.
By DAP
July 31, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
saltywoody i agree with you, and i posted similar sentiments on the last blog.
i feel like where weve have been letting games get away is in the bullpen, and why? because theyre overused. bring in a reliable bullpen arm, and you take the pressure off, and have more choices. this allows the guys in the bullpen to get multiple days off in a row at times, because they are backing each other up.
a starter does the same thing, because if he does what he is supposed to, he goes at least 7 strong innings and you only need two innings from the bullpen.
have both a starter and a bullpen arm would be amazing.
now, one more thing. the pitching staff has been mismanaged. sorry bobby, you da man, but youve been messing up. bobby needs to take adavantage of offensive outbursts to rest his bullpen so they are fresh when its close. he needs to leave the starters in when they are dealing, as long as they can still get outs, and they have a little cushion in the lead, they needs to pitch. they automatically get 4 days off, so let them work as long as they can. you have to be careful of over use of starters AND relievers. if bobby starts being smart about using the bullpen, itll help big time.
By humbug
July 31, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
After sleeping on it I have changed my mind about the trade. It was a good one for the Braves. Salty has a high chance of being a superstar but the Braves are not in a position to make it happen here. JS is giving him that chance. He was helped, not dumped. Prospects have potential but not proven major league potential. Teixeira has that. Proven is better than possible. Good thinking on JS part. If he can bring us a good pitcher or two his move goes from good to great. Really looking forward to seeing the Braves tonight. Just hope Teixeira has a great game.
By geauxbraves2000
July 31, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
Tick, tock, tick, tock….
Geaux Braves!!
By AJ GREEN WEARS #1
July 31, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
And Beltran is down! Oblique is sending him to the DL! Let the run start!
By bryan
July 31, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
Dave,
Some good new music today …
Common - Finding Forever
Sounds like a harder, more advanced version of his last CD (“Be” was one of the best ‘first listen’ CD’s i have ever heard … but faded once you kicked it for a summer).
I also just downloaded (read purchased!) the Madlib blue note remix album (madlib is the west coast beat genius behind the MFDoom classic Madvillian).
Just broke up with my girlfriend and purchased West by our old friend Lucinda to ease the pain … don’t know why I waited so long, i guess i was waiting to buy it when i needed it! (ohh and speaking of girlfriends, FYI mr O’brien we have mutual-mutual…ehmmmm….friends…. you dog!)
Pumped about this trade… absolutely pumped!
lots of roster moves to make!
I am excited about Dotel … but i doubt we can get a pitcher … after the butt kicking Bronson handed us a few weeks ago, damn fine # 3 or #4.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
Josh-They also have Dan Smith and Trey Hodges at Richmond if push came to shove in the starter sweepstakes.
By Voice of Reason
July 31, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
Let’s see… July 31, 2007. MLB non-waiver trade deadline day, Glavine going for #300, A-Rod going for #500, Baroid going for #755 (tainted or not), Tex across the diamond from Hoss. What a day! Man, I love this game and this team!
By Lew
July 31, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
Where did NoBrainZone go? Do you think our superior logic and analytical skill convinced him the Mets are doomed? Or did he just go to look up the vocabulary in our posts? Maybe it’s naptime at his after school care center.
By jon712
July 31, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
I guess four of the Braves’ exes will soon be in Texas.
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
I hope Teixeira is in Atlanta right now. We need him in the lineup tonight.
I cannot believe that the teams that are lining up for Gagne all have great closers…the Yanks, the Red Sox, and the Mets. Meanwhile, we have fatso and we could not get him. I wish there was some way to have acquired Gagne. I really would have felt 100% confident that the NL was in the bag with that guy coming out of the bullpen in the playoffs.
By Josh
July 31, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
Thanks Lew. I have a hard time keeping up with the Richmond team :)
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
HERE HERE Voice of Reason
Nicely said!!! Couldn’t agree more!!
By Big Kev
July 31, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
trey hodges.. shudder
By Lew
July 31, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this
Josh-Go to the Braves’ website and there are links (through the roster icon) to all the minor league affiliates. They have up to date stats on the players.
By Colin
July 31, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
DOB WILL DOTEL BE IN ATL BY THE DEADLINE AND IF NOT WHAT DOES REDS WANT FOR ARROYO
By Andy
July 31, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
DOB, who do you think the Braves will call up to be the back up catcher? Iker Franco, Brayan Pena, or Corky Miller?
By Lew
July 31, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this
Kev-Maybe so, but Hodges does have ML experience, has been doing better in recent days (got his K to BB ratio more in line) and we are talking option #7, after all. Just talking potentialities-that’s all.
By Steve from OH
July 31, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
I hope JS leaves Dotel alone and goes after Cliff Lee or Joe Blanton. Lee could be had for a reasonable price and would be more useful than Dotel.
By BigD
July 31, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
The Braves are reportedly offering Jo-Jo Reyes in a deal for Bronson Arroyo. A deal still seems like a long shot, but the Braves have been extremely aggressive. Reyes would likely go right into Cincinnati’s rotation if dealt. However, he’s a whole lot more interesting in NL-only leagues as a Brave. Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
By Lew
July 31, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
Now y’all do realize that the deals are probably already done, but with just 2 1/2 hours left until the deadline, that no one is making calls to the media at the moment? They’re still working on whatever else they can do in that time. Hang in there. Informing us of what’s going on is probably the last thing on JS’s mind (or any other GM’s mind) right now-or getting in touch with DOB, Rosenthal, Gammons, Perry or Crasnick , for that matter.
By Jared
July 31, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
From Rotoworld:
“The Braves continue to wait on the Mark Teixeira deal to be formalized before finalizing their trade for Octavio Dotel.
Sources told Yahoo! Sports’ Tim Brown that neither deal had any chance of falling through. The Braves are trading Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz and a second pitcher for Teixeira and Ron Mahay, plus Kyle Davies to Kansas City for Dotel.”
By Efrim
July 31, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
The Braves are reportedly offering Jo-Jo Reyes in a deal for Bronson Arroyo.
A deal still seems like a long shot, but the Braves have been extremely aggressive. Reyes would likely go right into Cincinnati’s rotation if dealt. However, he’s a whole lot more interesting in NL-only leagues as a Brave.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
Pretty quiet leading up to the deadline…
By Bill Heller
July 31, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
Octavio Dotel has pitched less than 50 innings in the majors since 2005. Why is he worth Kyle Davies?
By Chase
July 31, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
HEY DOB
Any new news?
What about ARROYO? DOTEL?
DAVE O’BRIEN must be very busy!..He is M.I.A
By Ron H
July 31, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
hey ppl, what do you think of batting Andruw No. 4, in front of Tex? Pitchers HAVE to pitch to him. it might get him going…i don’t know.
although i would love to add dotel, i think we have a more pressing need with starting pitching. once again, what do you guys think?
Gooooo braves!
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
I have a feeling that any player acquired today will not be in Atlanta for tonight’s game becaue of this apparent dragging of the feet by the Rangers. Perhaps, JS can file some sort of grievance. It doesn’t take that long to look over medical records. Not to mention that it was said yesterday that Harrison’s shoulder exam came up fine and that he simply had some soreness. Surely, the Rangers wouldn’t pull some sort of stunt by dragging their feet on finalizing this deal hoping that something better will come along. I say this because it was widely agreed that JS gave Daniels until early yesterday to make a decision so Daniels did. But, maybe Daniels made a decision but is now hoping he can reverse it. I just have never seen a professional orginization take this long to read a report.
By Lu Lu
July 31, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
I have an important qustion about Tex:
boxers or briefs???
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Still NOTHING. Royals waiting for Braves to call, and other teams being held up because they’re in running for Dotel, and if they think they can get him they’re not going to pull trigger on trade for another reliever, etc, etc.
Braves can’t do anything until Rangers sign off on deal. Not going to collapse: Y’all don’t worry about that. But until Texas signs off on Harrison, Braves can’t trade Davies.
Anyway … hang on. Gotta decide soon.
Still have conflicting reports on Teixeira, whether he’s in town or not. Should know that shortly, too. I’m already at the park, so soon as I see/hear anything, I’ll let you know….
Finally got around to playing the Isbell CD. Underrated, in my view. Really good stuff. Not as much DBT-sounding as I thought, which ain’t a bad thing. More bluesy-rock than rock….
Bryan, thanks for the rec on Common. He’s outstanding. Him and the Black Star guys (Mos and Talib), I like that sound.
I’ll recommend to you the new Frank Black double-CD, 93-03. Great stuff.
Yes, I heard about our mutual friends thing. Small world, indeed.
By Numbers&Numbers
July 31, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
I know numbers aren’t everything but…….
On Base Plus Slugging of Braves players:
Chipper Jones /1.022 Mark Teixeira /0.921 Edgar Renteria/0.870 Kelly Johnson /0.862 Willie Harris /0.828 Matt Diaz /0.828 Jeff Francouer/0.779 Yunel Escobar /0.763 Brian McCann /0.763 Andruw Jones /0.747
How can you bat Andruw ahead of so many good hitters? If he’s not getting on base more or out slugging other players, what (other than he’s a hall-o-famer) could be the reasoning? A lot of GREAT players had to move down in the order late in their careers. It’s not a slap in the face just how the game goes…..
By Chop Chop
July 31, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
I don’t think Schuerholz has enough time or prospects left to be going after four or five guys right now. The Tex deal hasn’t been completed yet and the Dotel deal will be done after that happens. Schuerholz may have one other deal in the works right now before this deadline, but my guess is that he’ll probably end up making a waiver-wire deal if a lesser starter or more bullpen help is needed.
By ernesto
July 31, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
Reitsma done for the year with Seattle. More elbow troubles.
Been reading recent rumblings about the run ins Tex had with some people in the Ranger org. but that can’t really worry Braves’ nation. If Bobby can keep a guy like Sheff happy he can handle anyone. Plus the Braves’ culture is pretty firmly established and of course, winning makes everyone happy - except guys in the NBA.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
I just saw where Chris Reitsma has been shut down for the season. He is now scheduled for his 5th elbow surgery-for arthritis. It may be career threatening. Reitsma says he has “the elbow of a 60 year old.” I think we were aware of that fact. Nonetheless, I wish him the best for a speedy recovery and the resumption of his career-such as it has been..
By Colin
July 31, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
Braves Offering Jo-Jo Reyes For Arroyo
The Braves are making a push to get one of the better starting pitchers available. They’re willing to give up pitching prospect Jo-Jo Reyes to get Bronson Arroyo. My guess is that Reyes alone would not be enough; the Braves might have to dip into the farm system and pull out another prospect.
If you’re a Braves fan, you’re really have to admire John Schuerholz’s willingness to go for broke. Maybe he’s found a market inefficiency in teams overvaluing prospects.
By SomeCallMeChief
July 31, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
DOB, any projections on the roster moves that will be made to clear the way for Mahay and, if needed, Arroyo/Dotel? We’re getting pretty thin on players with options left. Ascanio could easily go back, but surely we don’t plan to carry three 1Bs? I assume Jo-Jo would go-go if we got Arroyo.
By JRB
July 31, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
I am afraid the starting pitching is too weak to get us into first place by September 15th, because with Smoltz’ recent shoulder issues, he will need to sit the last two weeks of September to be of any help in the playoffs. Also, has no one else seen the erosion in McCann’s defensive catching skills in the past three months? He can’t block a low ball, doesn’t want to block the plate in a slide situation, and will, in all liklihood, need surgery in the off season to correct the knee issues he is currently playing through. Why didn’t we teach him to play first base to keep his bat in the lineup and put Salty behind the plate. Giving up the minor league prospects may or may not hurt long term. Unfortunately, this looks like Shurholtz’ last stand to give Chipper, Smoltz, and Bobby one more chance to win it all. The cupboard will be bare for some time to come as far as minor league pitching prospects. Go Braves!
By flange1
July 31, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Thanks for the new blog and the insight, we appreciate all of your information.
Lew,
You have had a couple of great days! Your comments to the moronic Mets fans yesterday and you Chopped up NCZ today. Give it to um good!!!
I am pumped about the Tex trade and the Dotel trade. JS has put this team in position to win. I hope the players feel the same way and we will see an excited bunch of players and fans for this series with the Astros.
Now if we could only get Carl Crawford……
And yes JJS, LETS GO TUSHY could be a bit of a problem for BC…
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
KARL RAVECH of ESPN just said:
The BRAVES are NOT a YOUNG TEAM…Chipper, Smoltz, and Andruw are there
How stupid can you get?!!!!!
After Chipper, Smoltz, and Wickman
ALMOST EVERYBODY ON THE TEAM IS UNDER 30
McCann, Frenchy, Escobar, Soriano, James, Johnson are all 25 and UNDER
TEX is 27 and Andruw is “old” and he only turned 30 THIS SEASON!
If you count Tex, Andruw and eventually Escobar that is 6 out of 8 position players 30 or UNDER…THAT IS A YOUNG TEAM
ESPN stop hating and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
By Colin
July 31, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
I hope we dont trade away the whole future unless we win back to back WS
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
Forget the trade deadline… game time is like, what, less than six hours, and there’s been no mention of a backup catcher being added to the roster, yet?
By Carolina Gent
July 31, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
It’s been obvious since the beginning of the 2nd half that the Braves were in need of some upgrades. I’m really happy that Tex is on his way to becoming a Brave, and hope that JS gets something done to bolster the rotation. Dotel would be a nice addition, but I think a good #3 or 4 starter would help as much or more. Either way, though, I remember how the team responded so well after picking up McGriff, and it feel like the same will happen with Tex. He’s glad to be in a winning situation, and the uncertainty of the last week or two is now past, so the team can concentrate on playing ball again, and make a serious run at the NY Mess.
By Carolina Gent
July 31, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
It’s been obvious since the beginning of the 2nd half that the Braves were in need of some upgrades. I’m really happy that Tex is on his way to becoming a Brave, and hope that JS gets something done to bolster the rotation. Dotel would be a nice addition, but I think a good #3 or 4 starter would help as much or more. Either way, though, I remember how the team responded so well after picking up McGriff, and it feels like the same will happen with Tex. He’s glad to be in a winning situation, and the uncertainty of the last week or two is now past, so the team can concentrate on playing ball again, and make a serious run at the NY Mess.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
SaltyWoody, here’s exactly what I wrote:
The second pitcher will be right-hander Neftali Feliz, 19, a hard-throwing Dominican rated the Braves’ No. 18 prospect by Baseball America. He has 70 strikeouts in 55-1/3 innings in two seasons at Rookie and Class-A levels.
What happens to the copy after it gets to our desk is out of my hands. Until you pointed it out, I hadn’t even noticed the typo. Not my fault, so I’ll not apologize.
By Pirate
July 31, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
DOB- A Question? With Cormier having an ERA under 1 in his past 4 starts, will he be coming up to take JoJo’s place in the rotation? Also, could we use JoJo as a 2nd lefty in the bullpen (come in during the 6th or 7th inning to get 1 left handed batter) down the stretch? Finally, I know Bobby doesn’t trust him, but Devine is throwing bb’s down in Richmond. The other night he had a nine pitch inning with 8 of them strikes. Will we ever see him in Atl or is he trade bait for Arroyo?
By duder
July 31, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
so will tex be in the lineup tonight or what???
By Ron
July 31, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
JS you gotta get Arroyo!!! You gave up SOOOOO damn much for Tex, now if you have to give up everybody in the farm except Hanson, Brandon Jones, Campbell, KK, and maybe another guy here and there then do it!!! We need another Starter Badly!!! If we get to the playoffs, John Smoltz may not be able to pitch BUT one game in a 7 game series, with his arm injury!!! IT is vital to get another Good Starter!!! No way we should trade Renteria for Garland OR Vasques!!! We have to keep all of our major leaguers here, not in trades!!! No reason to give a damn about the prospects now, we done gave up 4 of our Top 25 Best prospects, so get Arroyo JS NOW!!!
By Baron
July 31, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
We are now ready to rock. Tesh should provide us with all the fire we need offensively. For those posting lineups, I might point out that Willie Harris has been under performing all season at leadoff. His numbers in the one hole: .247 BA, .347 OBP, .676 OPS. Strangely though, in only seven fewer AB’s, his OPS in the two hole is 1.017!!! That’s hot!
I’d go KJ/Escobar leading off, and I would give Diaz a solid two uninterrupted weeks starting in LF before I would try that platoon again. I particularly like Diaz in the 8 hole because he is tough to pitch around- mainly because the guy swings at, and puts in play, almost any pitch that doesn’t bounce off something. Diaz OPS in eight hole: .920.
I would definitely cast my lot with the Tex as cleanup, and really, I might even drop Andruw all the way down to 8. Every starter has got a better OBP that Andruw. If all we can expect out of him this year is the occasional long ball, perhaps we should stick him in the second cleanup spot. He certainly commands enough respect around the league that nobody is going to pitch around to get to him, so he might as well provide protection to our other guys.
As far as pitching goes, I’d wager that JS and BC must be expecting a solid return from Villareal if they are so focused on picking up another reliever. I hope it works out. I think our main problem in the bullpen has been the overwork brought about by starters not going deep enough in games. Think about how many times we’ve see the bullpen have to pitch 13 or more innings over a three game stretch? And then they’re shot for a week or more. It’s tough when your 3-5 guys aren’t even expected to go more than 5, which Chuck and YoYo aren’t.
Rambling post. So glad to see that wanker from last night has finally disappeared.
By Efrim
July 31, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
The other propsect can’t be Hanson. It can’t be. Lillibridge is fine, but Brandon Jones and Tommy Hanson are off limits.
By Interested OBserver
July 31, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
Somebody needs to find that little twerp in Texas and shove a cattle prod up his rear end. This is ridiculous. Last time I checked Harrison only had two shoulders and only one of them was sore.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
BoSox just got Gagne according to Rosenthal…
Man, that sucks that the Rangers have screwed up the last day of the trading deadline! First, they dragged their feet (which other GMs reportedly complained about), sent Tex to where everyone thought he was going in the first place, and now won’t sign off on the deal. I think the Mets have paid off Daniels!! (:
DOB, any rumblings that the Braves indeed have offered Jo-Jo for Arroyo?
Regards,
Jason
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
Andy It will definitely be Pena. In fact he was playing that role before Salty was called up and played well. B/c Salty played so well when Pena was hurt earlier this year he stayed up and Pena stayed in the minors. Pena will be a fine job starting once a week and as a PH. he is a legitimate b/u C and is hitting over .300 for the year.
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
And DO’B… dunno if you’re a smoker or not, but somebody should leave a cig burning on top of some paper in the press box today.
I’m feeling like a ceremonial Lighting of the Press Box to commemorate the Braves’ new 1B arrival, a la Fred McGriff.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
COLIN NAME YOUR SOURCE!
I’d do JO JO for ARROYO!
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
This waiting for the Rangers to approve this deal is ridiculous. First of all, I don’t think we should give them Davies in this deal, even if Harrison is rejected due to injury. Let’s face it, as inconsistent as Davies has been, and as maddening, this guy has pitched some fantastic games in the major leagues…Boston debut, shutting down the Mets a few times, etc. There is no way he should be a throw-in in this deal for Teixeira. Ridiculous. Give them another prospect and get Davies to the Royals for Dotel. I am really getting sick of the Rangers. There is a big difference between a 19-year-old prospect that have never sniffed the majors and a pitcher that has won games in the bigs.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
So DOB is this going to hurt us from making other deals?
By Voice of Reason
July 31, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
As we enter the 2:00 hour, expect radio silence for a while as the final non-waiver trades of 2007 pass across the desk of the Commish, which is located on the dark side of the moon. Remember, the trades only have to be submitted by 4:00, not announced. We could be hearing trade news well after 4:00 as they are approved and then announced. As a result, I am getting absolutely NO WORK done, as I foolishly troll every internet source I have ever accessed in search of some snippet of news to satisfy my trade deadline information addiction.
In a related story, it is amazing how I can make this futile activity actually look like some semblance of real vocational productivity. It’s a good thing that I’m my own boss, because I’m too valuable to me to give myself a hard time over this…
By Bob, Journalist
July 31, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
I certainly agree that there’s no question but that it was a good trade … it’s that, regardless of what happens in the future, and I’m optimistic about that too!
TexasBrave, I wasn’t meaning to suggest that they would now be pressing … but “trying too hard” could so translate … and “could” rather than “would” was the intent … we’ll see.
I certainly agree with “now they can be more relaxed and do what each does best” but there’s a difference between “can” and “will” just as there’s a difference excelling as individuals and excelling as a team.
As Robert(JITB) said, the team has not been trying to hit homeruns … I just hope that continues … we’ll see.
Fear may have been too strong of a word to use as it probably suggests strong anticipation while I was only intending to express mild concern over the possibility … probably triggered by some of the comments of Jeff and other players regarding the possibility of acquiring Tex.
Tex is obviously intelligent … his choice of schools tells you that much … and certainly, the ingredients are there for making a pie of which LeTawn’s mama would be proud!
By DAP
July 31, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this
fair weather bravefanhater Am I misunderstanding you or are you saying AJ should stay in the 4th hole? There is no way he should hit in the clean-up spot at this time.
my answer NOOOOOO! i thought i said that andruw could and probably should be batting 5th. maybe i meant 4th was good for him BEFORE tex, but no.
i also like the lineup KC proposed.
By n8
July 31, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
I love the lineup suggestions…Here’s mine:
Johnson/Escobar (L/R) Cox loves those platoons, and as a recent AJC article said, this one is better at leadoff than Harris has been
Renteria (R)
C. Jones (S)
McCann (L)
Tex (S)
A. Jones (R)
Frenchy (R)
Harris/Diaz (L/R)
I think you split up your switch hitters, and with McCann as an underrated RBI man instead of Andruw for the time being.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
If no other trades made, I’d think Thorman would be designated, Pena called up, Julio goes to backup/pinch-hitting role. But just assuming.
Yes, Jo-Jo would have to go in Arroyo deal, I’d imagine. I’d do it because Arroyo is under contract a few years, reasonable salary, and is much better pitcher than his numbers indicate.
He’s 2-3 despite a 2.61 ERA in his past seven starts, including six quality starts and only four homers allowed in 48-1/3 innings. Reds scored only two runs in four of those seven games while he was in.
By Thrillhouse44
July 31, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
Hasta la vista, Davies.
By BossLady
July 31, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
LOL jon712
By Carroll (NOT Ms. Rogers)
July 31, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
I need to know if Tex is going to be in the lineup tonight!!!!!!!!!! I just bought tix because I was told he would be here and starting tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By ugafan
July 31, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
Ron, I believe Matt Diaz is the emergency catcher, so they would be covered if need be.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
Flange-How you been Dude? Yeah, the Mets trolls are no big deal- they don’t even strain the brain putting them in their place. Now if we could only convince some of the Braves’ faithful that we’re still two or three deep in the minors with GOOD prospects. Hell, we still have two .300 hitting catchers in AA and AAA. Efrim has posted well on the young pitchers we still have in the minors. There’s quite a group still down on the farm. Life is good and about to get better.
By JMar
July 31, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t even SIGN Arroyo for the contract he’s got right now, let alone give up Jo-Jo and another prospect for him.
By ssiscribe
July 31, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
Top of a very, very busy afternoon denizens. The Scribe and the rest of Braves Nation are up to our eyeballs in trade deadline talk, chatter, rumor and thought on this muggy Tuesday in the capital city.
Now, Dotel (noted transition by the Scribe): Getting a veteran hard-thrower for the bullpen for Kyle Davies straight up is a steal for the Braves, plain and simple. Nobody wants to see Davies succeed more than I; saw him pitch several times in high school. He’s a great kid from a great family and it’s been tough to watch him struggle.
I think eventually Davies will be a very good major-league pitcher, once he gets his confidence back. But to make a very good baseball team even better, and to make the prospects of this team competing for the world championship this year even more of a reality, I say you pull the trigger on the deal and get Dotel. Dude throws hard and has closer’s experience.
And a change of location, I think, would give Kyle a fresh start.
Now, Arroyo (more transition from the Scribe): Is this the big-time starter you want, and is it worth Jo Jo Reyes? Arroyo has been dreadful for a dreadful team, but he does have postseason experience (pitched for the Red Sox in their world championship season in 2004; won 10 games in the regular season, a 7.41 ERA in 10 postseason games — two starts).
If I’m correct, he’s locked up through 2010, but I think his salary climbs pretty substantially. I’m not 100 percent sure I do this deal if it’s for Reyes, who I really like even though he’s only been up here for a little bit. I think you have to be mindful about adding to the payroll down the road, because I think you have to make it next to impossible for Teixeira to leave after next season. I guess it comes down to who you want starting Game 3 of a playoff series, James or Arroyo.
Now, the hunt for October (more transition): Get Dotel, and I think along with Teixeira and Mahay the Braves are very capable of getting to the World Series. Plain and simple. This, as I’ve said so many times on this forum since January, is a good baseball team. Now, it’s a very good baseball team, one that certainly has the talent to win in October.
If you are a Braves fan, I think you cannot help but be excited. Management has opened the way for this team to spend some and get in position to win. Now, it’s up to the team to get it done between the lines.
We wait for word on Dotel and potentially a third big deal. But for now, the Scribe abides.
—30—
By Colin
July 31, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
Chase
mlbtraderumors.com
By Zoldars
July 31, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
SO whats up with the Arroyo deal? What were we offering for him? Is it Jo-JO and do you think thats a wise trade DOB? OK, ill wait like everyone else. And Rock The Bells tour is in ATL this Thursday…WU WU!
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By doug
July 31, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
Hey Colin, your typing in bold.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
The Rangers need to pull their head out of their you know what! Their apparent illiterate medical staff is holding the Braves from making other deals. For the love of God they have over 24 hours now to look at the reports. Either sign off on Harrison or pick one of the other pitchers from the list. Lets get on with. It took less time for the Declaration of Independence to be written.
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
I don’t know if anyone else is w/ me but I am getting a little nervous. First, we(or Texas) took so long to get the Texas deal done and now being held up for medical checks. We’re waiting so long for all this to get done that it might cost us other moves. It might cost us what we need most of all. PITCHING
I hope it gets done soon so we can finalize another move or movES.
By A.J.
July 31, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this
DOB:
Is the Arroyo thing at all realistic?
I’d be down for Arroyo for Reyes and maybe like a Lillibridge.
I don’t think Arroyo is as bad as people wanted to think. He’s quite solid to good, plus he’s signed through 2010 option 2011 I believe. He’s only making 4.4 mill this year and pitches a ton of innings.
He’s the best we could get on this market, he’s way better than our best option to pitch fifth. He’s consistant enough for a playoff run. He’d actually be our 3rd or 4th starter and would help in the playoffs. Plus he makes our bullpen better by consistantly going pretty deep in games. His ERA is only 4.33. He’s 4-11 because he’s on the Reds.
So DOB is this as possible as the rumor mongers would have us believe?
Does it keep popping up because it may be true or does it keep popping up because one person made everyone else believe it?
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 31, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Lu Lu, Where are you from? I know a Lu Lu on a couple of other boards, and I’m just checking to see if you and her are one in the same.
DOB, That Isbell c.d. is really starting to grow on me. That kid can really write some good songs. Geez, how good is “Dress Blues?” “Hurricanes and Hand Grenades?” “Brand New Kind of Actress?” “Chicago Promenade?”
How many of you here think Salty’s development will speed immensely since he won’t be pressing to win a roster spot or starting job?
By Colin
July 31, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
We need Arroyo and Dotel.
By Salty
July 31, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
Do you think our superior logic and analytical skill convinced him the Mets are doomed?
Lew superior wasn’t needed.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
Cincinnati.com (which is the main page link to all the Cincy newspapers like the Enquirer and Post) is confirming that the BRAVES have offered JO JO REYES for BRONSON ARROYO
We’ll see I guess!
By The Berry Boys
July 31, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
We think it’s hilarious how some yahoo is always writing First!, and that’s the whole post and they’ve wasted it because they are really, like, 12th. That kills us every time.
Hey, Robert character (whoever’s doing it now) HEEHAW!
By Shaun
July 31, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
Chase,
I think he means a lot of the Braves’ key players are not young. And while 26-30 is not old even for a baseball player, it’s not young either, especially for a position player.
But he didn’t say they were old. He just said they are not young.
Not hear to defend Ravech. Just saying it’s true that the Braves don’t have all that many young everyday players.
Their lineup from the second slot to the fifth slot is made up of guys older than 27—that’s a lot of key player that are, again, not young but not old either.
By texdawg
July 31, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
Everyone here in Big D is glad to see Tex leave. I hope whatever negative vibes he seemed to impart on the Rangers clubhouse don’t come with him to Atlanta.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
DOB, I agree about Arroyo. As much as I would like to keep Reyes, it is a deal that would have to be done. Of course, it is all moot until Daniels can understand the words, “Harrison’s shoulder is fine.” I would think JS would attempt to trade Thorman even if its for some jobber prospect. If the Braves are able to get Teixeira, Dotel, and Arroyo then they are the clear cut winner of the trading season and this would be the best job done by a GM in 10 years!
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
Robert (JITB),
Dude, you made me laugh. You would think that I had money invested in one of these potential trades or something…can’t get any work done..some would say I don’t get any done anyway… (:
I agree…what the heck is Texas doing??? Take Davies name off the list and trade him for Dotel!
I would include Jo-Jo for Arroyo, but I would rather have Garland. Bowman reported earlier that the Braves were still trying to get Garland or Vazquez as well.
Regards,
Jason
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
Hey, Lew! In the spirit of all the good things that have happened over the last 24 hours and the fact that we both love the Braves to no end, I would like to apologize for my overreaction to you the other day. I only hope you accept it.
By jwshults
July 31, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
Nice inclusion of John Hiatt’s Drive South, DOB. I still consider his Perfectly Good Guitar one of the great songs of all time.
Keep bringing it old school, DOB!
JayDub
By bryan
July 31, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
Dave,
some of my close friends rep Frank Black soooo hard … and i like what i hear … what.s an * album* you can recommend? I try to stay away from Greatest Hits stuff … unless that is really your recommendation, and i will pick it up (15 bucks on itunes for the double dish).
FYI that Madlib Blue Note Remix Album its like 50 full length songs and I got it from iTunes for 9.99 … - hey i know your iTunes feelings, I’m just saying!
Have you downloaded Safari 3 from Apple? The new find feature is awesome - especially while trying to push through a blog quickly.
This sucks that the braves have to wait to get a deal signed off on before other trades can happen … its gives me a knot in my stomach to think about the tension.
Daniel Johnston plays in Savannah in two weeks!
By bryan
July 31, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this
Dave,
some of my close friends rep Frank Black soooo hard … and i like what i hear … what.s an * album* you can recommend? I try to stay away from Greatest Hits stuff … unless that is really your recommendation, and i will pick it up (15 bucks on itunes for the double dish).
FYI that Madlib Blue Note Remix Album its like 50 full length songs and I got it from iTunes for 9.99 … - hey i know your iTunes feelings, I’m just saying!
Have you downloaded Safari 3 from Apple? The new find feature is awesome - especially while trying to push through a blog quickly.
This sucks that the braves have to wait to get a deal signed off on before other trades can happen … its gives me a knot in my stomach to think about the tension.
Daniel Johnston plays in Savannah in two weeks!
By Chop Chop
July 31, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this
Robert JITB, the Rangers are not living on BST (Braves Standard Time). They can take as much time as they like and we can choke on it. The world does not revolve around the Atlanta Braves.
Also, According to Chase, the Braves are being “hated” on by ESPN. I’m typing this as I hear the Braves being idolized yet again by Steve Phillips and Peter Gammons. Yeah. ESPN hates the Braves.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this
Jason Stark just said on ESPN teams are calling for Bob Wickman
By Wes
July 31, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
“Id be down for Arroyo for Reyes and maybe like a Lillibridge.”
Good God why?
Us giving up even one of those for Arroyo would be pretty close to getting fleeced.
By Interested Observer
July 31, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
Are there any bloggers in the Arlington, TX area that can go over and egg Jon Daniel’s tricycle?
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
I don’t know if you heard this but Jason Stark just said clubs have been calling the Braves to see if Wickman is available if we get Dotel. He also said none of our trades are final yet . Either way, the Rangers screwed us w/ the waiting game.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH THE RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DOB what is taking so long…it is screwing up other trades!!!!!!!!!!
By AthensBrave
July 31, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
Chase,
I can’t stand Karl Ravich….he’s a punk. Yesterday when Gammons and Kruk were both praising the Braves for the trade…Ravich kept giving it a negative spin
Hurry the f#@k up Rangers…sign the papers
By Lew
July 31, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this
Salty-Valid point, Dude. Trolls. Oh, The Humanity (or lack, thereof).
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this
Right now Stark (everyone’s favorite) is talking about how the Rangers are screwing everything with refusing to approve the Teixeira deal. The Rangers are focusing on the Gagne deal, so other teams are calling the Royals about Dotel and Homeboy has told the Royals that if some better offer comes along, go for it. Stark said the players have not officially been told that they have been traded, so I would guess Teix is not in Atlanta. Also, Stark said teams are calling the Braves about Wickman, figuring he would be available if the Braves get Dotel. Who the heck would want Wickman??? Can we trade him to the Mets, please????
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Well it looks like Texas might cost us Dotel, Arroyo, and maybe trading Bob Wickman.
By NO CHOP ZONE
July 31, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Oh yeah, big bad Lew put me in my place. I’m totaly rehabilitated now…… I like how the Mets trade went under the radar. All they did was add a gold glover who is hitting .304, can steal bases and is a switch hitter. He’ll bat 2nd behind Reyes making for a nice 1-2 punch at the top of that line-up……GO METS!!!!!!
By rupert
July 31, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
DOB, just heard stark talk about the braves getting offers for wickman because of possibility of them aquiring dotel, any chance the ship wick out?
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Jayson Stark said other teams are calling the BRAVES about WICKMAN!!!!!
Very interesting!
By Christy
July 31, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
I know it’s pretty much done, and I know I may be the lone voice, but I’d just as soon not trade Davies for Dotel. I’m more than okay with JoJo for Arroyo, but optimist, and perhaps something of a romantic, that I am, I think Davies will have his act together sooner than later and I’m not exactly falling all over myself with his ERA, especially over the last season and a half.
Maybe it’s just that I haven’t seen Dotel this season, and my view is colored by the few times I caught his act last season. And I don’t remember his post-season performances being all that when he was with the Mets, but then again, maybe age helps there…
By Wickman???/?
July 31, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
I guess not only have we got Dotel….now we’re trading Wickman according to Yahoo.com
NEW YORK — The Atlanta Braves are shopping closer Bob Wickman.
Any deal would likely be contingent on the club completing a swap with the Kansas City Royals for Octavio Dotel, which is being held up until the Braves can complete the Mark Teixeira trade with the Texas Rangers.
As the deadline approaches, the Braves and Rangers continue to digest the medical information on the six players involved in that trade. One source insisted neither deal was in jeopardy, and the delay was simply a matter of exchanging information.
By Shaun
July 31, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Yeah, Arroyo’s ERA, adjusted for league and park, is about seven percent better than average. And he’s probably better than that if he goes to a stronger defensive team.
Plus he was a reliever for most of his younger years, so he didn’t throw a lot of innings meaning he may not carry the same injury risks as most pitchers.
And I know it’s still extremely early in his career but Reyes hasn’t looked good at all in his first four major league starts. It’s not tough luck either. He’s walked 11 guys in 18.7 innings. Again, it’s only 18.7 innings but 11 walks is 11 walks.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
I f*** hate those damn Rangers!!! less than 30 minutes until the deadline!!!!!!!!! We are gonna end up not doing nothing else!!! B******, I wish the Braves would say forget Tex!!! It would have been much better getting Arroyo, Conine, and another reliever than basically doing Tex and Mahay!!! We severely need another Starter, and apparently it wont happen!!! I hate those damn Rangers!!! We cant rely on JoJo, or even Cormier for the rest of the year!!! If we dont get another Starter, then the Tex trade will be the downfall of the Braves this year!!! Piece of s**!!!
By Marty
July 31, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
If track record means anything — and it does — Garland is terrible. Unless we have to give up next to nothing for him, I’m not interested.
By Colin
July 31, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
Stark On Dotel, Wickman
Jayson Stark was just on ESPN talking about the crazy market for relievers. As you know, the Octavio Dotel to Atlanta trade is held up until medical records for all six players involved in the Teixeira deal are reviewed. That’s just business as usual.
But Stark’s saying that teams are still calling up the Royals trying to beat the offer of Kyle Davies for Dotel. He also mentioned that teams are calling the Braves to try to pry Bob Wickman loose in the event that the Braves do get Dotel.
By JMar
July 31, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
Since people are pointing out how cheap Arroyo’s contract is for this year, check out what we’d have to pay for him down the line. And keep in mind that he is 30 and last year was his only good year.
Bronson Arroyo will get base salaries of $4,125,000 this year and $3.95 million in 2008, figures set under the old contract. The extension includes a $2.5 million signing bonus that will be paid in 2008. Arroyo will get salaries of $9.5 million in 2009 and $11 million in 2010. There is a club option at $11 million for 2011 with a $2 million buyout. The option can escalate to $13 million, based on innings.
If we trade for him, be prepared to have his contract as an albatross around the Braves’ neck for a few years after.
By Austin
July 31, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
BravesDave The Rangers are not “refusing” to sign the papers, they just have a lot goin on right now.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Stark On Dotel, Wickman Jayson Stark was just on ESPN talking about the crazy market for relievers. As you know, the Octavio Dotel to Atlanta trade is held up until medical records for all six players involved in the Teixeira deal are reviewed. That’s just business as usual.
But Stark’s saying that teams are still calling up the Royals trying to beat the offer of Kyle Davies for Dotel. He also mentioned that teams are calling the Braves to try to pry Bob Wickman loose in the event that the Braves do get Dotel. Tim Brown backs this up - Wickman can be had if Dotel is secured.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
Absolutely disgraceful…bad, bad development…that’s the beauty of a player to be named later…
but, of course, one of the PTBNL happens to be a guy we can trade for a great setup guy with closer experience…can’t JS call Texas and see if they were going to take Davies if Harrison’s reports are not to their satisfaction? Can’t they make an agreement one way or the other? If it is, offer someone else to the Royals…if it isn’t, do the deal!!!!
Freaking Daniels…yes, I understand the world doesn’t revolve around the Braves, but there are ways to do things and ways not to…the unwritten rules of professional engagements…or maybe I wish there were so we weren’t in this freakin’ situation!
Regards,
Jason
By Patrick
July 31, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
Here’s a new one, BOB WICKMAN to the INDIANS for either Paul Byrd or Cliff Lee
again pending on Texas, thank you Daniels..
By Bob, Journalist
July 31, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
Robert(JITB), I don’t understand your “I have a feeling that any player acquired today will not be in Atlanta for tonights game because of this apparent dragging of the feet by the Rangers.”
Since the player with the soreness is not one of the two coming to Atlanta and a rejection would only affect the choice of pitchers, why would the lack of action by the Rangers delay the departure of the players being traded to Atlanta?
I agree that it could impact their being allowed to play tonight … if the deal hasn’t received MLB approval by game time, which I assume is unlikely
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
SHAUN
KJ, Frenchy, McCann, and eventually Escobar, are all under 25 that is 4 out of 8 everyday players! HALF THE TEAM!
Then TEX is 27 and ANDRUW is 30. That is 6 out of 8 everyday players not to mention that Diaz is 26!
That, overall, IS A YOUNG TEAM!
Especially when compared to the METS!
After Reyes ans Wright, the METS’ starters are ANCIENT!
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
Just in Gagne trades to the Red Sox. At least the Mets didn’t get him!!
By David-ATL14
July 31, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
Pena caught today for Richmond in a 12:00PM Game. While he may well be on his way up, he won’t be in unifrom tonight.
By flange1
July 31, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Hey Lew,
All good here especially with JS making these great trades. I agree about the depth of our farm clubs. People are gushing about B. Jones, but G. Blanco’s numbers have been pretty good this year and he plays center! Our farm system is strong even losing 3 major talents to the Rangers, Davies to the Royals and a few more to the parent team.
Is Arroyo too much to wish for?
By Bob
July 31, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
Ron,
Calm down dude!! What time zone are you in? There is an hour and 15 minutes left, not 15. A lot of times trades are announced up to 2 hours after the time has come and gone because the deals were made. I am sure JS has got things working.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
Still waiting….waiting…
Hillbilly, he definitely can write some tunes. And I love the whole Muscle Shoals influence on this record. “Dress Blues” is an instant classic. “Down In A Hole” and “Chicago Promenade” are great. Several others, too….
Zoldars, Immortal Technique is THE MAN. Love that CD, Revolutionary Vol. 2, with “Obnoxious” on it….
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
Listen to this craziness…
” Braves dangling Wickman
By Tim Brown
Tuesday, Jul 31, 2007 2:11 pm EDT
NEW YORK — The Atlanta Braves are shopping closer Bob Wickman.
Any deal would likely be contingent on the club completing a swap with the Kansas City Royals for Octavio Dotel, which is being held up until the Braves can complete the Mark Teixeira trade with the Texas Rangers.
As the deadline approaches, the Braves and Rangers continue to digest the medical information on the six players involved in that trade. One source insisted neither deal was in jeopardy, and the delay was simply a matter of exchanging information.”
That doesn’t make any sense to me…you are trying to strengthen the pen!
Get Garland!
Texas, hurry the he!! up!!!
I can’t take it…need a Valium…
Regards,
Jason
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
Gagne deal gets done in HOURS and we can’t get our deal done in DAYS. Do you think Daniels got p** at JS for playing hard ball at first. Something that we don’t know about happened.
By espnviewer
July 31, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
honestly i don’t ever recall steve phillips say bad thing about braves. he usually overrates the braves if anything; i think he’s still shellshocked from his days as mets gm.
don’t also remember peter gammons say bad things about braves.
but i think, for whatever reason, from a braves fan, karl ravech and joe morgan always seem to look down on braves, or somehow try to minimize braves’ worth
By BigD
July 31, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, Yunel Escobar is involved in the conversations between the Braves and Reds for Bronson Arroyo.
JUST SAY NO, JS
By Chop Chop
July 31, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
Karl Ravech Bio
Karl Ravech was born and raised in Needham, MA. Karl attended Ithaca College and Binghamton University in New York. Karl Ravech has worked at ESPN in many different roles. He has sucked at every one of them.
By TK
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
I think the Braves need a starter more than a RP. What is killing the bullpen is no complete games from the starters. And then when someone has a meltdown (Davies) it really taxes them. To shift gears…I think it was Lew that likes Grace Potter she will be on Jay Leno Wed Night Thur morning.
By Bob
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Tex deal done. Davies free to go to KC.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
NoBrainZone-What a laughable Little Troll you are. The only thing about you that would ever surprise me is if you ever got a clue. Gee-Y’all did a deal to get a replacement for an injured player and then lose your cleanup hitter. Yeah, that improves your team, doesn’t it? Under the radar? Dude, you have to be flying to be picked up on the radar, not sitting with your thumbs up your anal cavity. Poor, poor Beltran. His belly hurts and he can’t run. Can’t hit a curve, either.
By ObiWanKobe
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Deal done, Davies not in Texas deal
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Chop Chop, I understand that the Rangers aren’t on Braves standard time. However, they are holding up other teams as well. Either sign off or move on. That is why other GMs like working with JS and many have complained about Daniels. I do agree with you about this perception that ESPN “hates” the Braves. I think there is a bias toward the Yankees and Red Sox but that bias is exhibited by everybody. Phillips, Gammons, Stark, and Olney have repeatedly stated the Braves are in this race until the end.
Interesting teams are wanting Wickman. Who are the teams? JS should entertain offers but take no less than an outfield prospect and a pitching prospects. Perhaps, the Yanks would be interested? Dodgers? Brewers?
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Patrick,
Where did you hear that?
Regards,
Jason
By GTA
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Buster Olney just reported the Tex deal was finalized.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Hey it is a DONE DEAL. Davies to KC for Dotel
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Tex deal done, Davies not in it.
So expect the Davies-Dotel thing to develop real quickly.
By ssiscribe
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN: Buster Olney on ESPN reports the Teixeira deal is done and official, and Matt Harrison is a part of the package going to Texas.
This clears the way for Davies to go to KC for Dotel.
—30—
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
BUSTER OLNEY SAYS THE TEX DEAL IS DONE!
DAVIES was not included and will be going to KC!
Bring on DOTEL and ARROYO!
By HP
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Buster Onley Reprots it is official that Teixeria is a Braves and now we can go after Dotel.
By Chop Chop
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Teixeira is a done deal, so they can do the Dotel deal. Patience, grasshoppers.
By Jared
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
ESPN says Teixeria to Braves done! It’s over, the Rangers have signed off on it.
DO NOT TRADE WICKMAN!!!!
By Eric
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
He am getting antsy, it is almost2PM central, that makes it 3PM Eastern, only one hour to go and still no press conference. Is this thing gonna go south on us, have we been tricked, is the Tex deal gonna stand or not.
By Marty
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Hey guys — keep in mind that there’s no real reason to believe that the trade hasn’t been consummated already and we’re just waiting on an announcement. These things happen quietly and quickly, especially when Schuerholz is involved.
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
TEX deal is a done deal!!!!!!
By iwalterp
July 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Someone mentioned that Tex had much more horeruns in Texas’ stadium than on the road. So I looked up the demensions of Texas’ stadium and compared them to the Ted and found that they are very similar. Texas stadium(Right field shortporch=325, centerfield=407, leftfield shortporch=332,right center=381,lerftcenter=388). Ted Turner Field(right field shortporch= 330,center field=400, left field shortporch=335, rightcenter=385, leftcenter=380) The light air during summer months in texas is no worse than Atlanta, so Tex should do fine.
By Adam
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Dotel and Texiera deal is official according to baseball tonight!
By Ron
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
We just got Dotel for Davies!!!
By Bob
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Stark now reports Dotel done as well.
By ObiWanKobe
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Dotel to the Braves, reported by Stark
By GTA
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Jayson Stark just reported Dotel for Davies is a done deal as well.
By Colin
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Its official Tex, and Dotel to Atl, Goodbye Davies, and Salty.
By Andy
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
It’s offical. Dotel and Teixeira are now Braves.
By Voice of Reason
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
JStark says Dotel for Davies is official!
By ernesto
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
ESPN - Just reportign the Tex deal is DONE!!! Davies not included - JS now free to pull the trigger on the Dotel deal.
ESPN just reported Davies for Dotel a done deal.
Also just reported Arroyo has been told he wn’t be traded by Reds management - we’ll see.
By Eric from MO
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Jason Stark just reported Dotel is a Brave
By Jesse
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
dude shaun your an idiot…26-30 is considered the early part of a players prime. The average age for a major leaguer is 27
By Stephen
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Tex deal is finally done! Will he be in the lineup for ATL tonight?
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Buster Olney says the Teixeira deal is DONE and dusted. Kyle Davies is not included. This frees up the Braves to move on other trades.
Some female ‘reporter’, after talking about how the Red Sox are offering to pay Gagne’s moving cost, said Arroyo does not want to come to the Braves.
DOTEL IS A BRAVE. CONFIRMED BY ESPN. FOR KYLE DAVIES.
By HP
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Its official: According to Jason Stark Braves have trade Kyle Davies for Octivio Dotel.
By scstrato
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Olney just said “the Teixeira deal is now done!
Right after, Stark came on and said the “Dotel deal is done”. He went on to say he received TWO calls confirming it.
Way to go big JS!!!
By Joe
July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
deal done!!!!!!!!! also Dotel coming for Davies
By dirty scirbe
July 31, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
ESPN’s Stark says Dotel and Texiera deals are done.
By Stat Heads On Crack
July 31, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
It may be business as usual, but this Texas deal has to be a pain to the Braves. Why is Texas dragging along with finalizing the deal? What’s the matter, is their team doctor playing golf today or something?
It’s an hour and 15 minutes till the deadline and none of the wire services are calling the Tex deal complete yet.
So if Texas drags up to the last minute, does KC get cold feet and trade with someone else because they are worried the Braves aren’t going to meet the deadline? Wouldn’t it suck if Texas got their targets out of the deal but sabatoged the Braves finishing their work with other teams?
I bet JS isn’t going to be anxious to deal with Texas in the future. Seems like it’s been a big jerk around since the first minute they started talking.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
DOB, thanks…I was on the verge of a anxiety attack (: I defy my age sometimes…
Now, let’s get the Dotel deal done and snag Garland…shouldn’t be too hard to do, right? (:
Let’s go Bravos!!!
Regards,
Jason
By dirty scribe
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
ESPN’s Stark says Dotel and Texiera deals are done.
By Marty
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
God, Paul Byrd? Did we not learn the first time? And Cliff Lee?? Holy hell, look at the guy’s numbers. He’s absolutely horrible.
By TK
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
ESPN just reported the Texas deal is done. And the Dotel deal. Great job JS!!!
By HP
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Lets now get Bronson Arroyo!!!
By rupert
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
olney just said tex deal is done, davies to kc for dotel done as well, olney and stark both reported that
how bout them bravos?
By Austin
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
TEX A DONE DEAL!
By ssiscribe
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN — Jayson Stark reports Dotel for Davies is done and official.
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By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Wow Stark just came on to say the Dotel deal wasn’t going to happen and he received 2 calls….Another Done deal Dotel for Davies
MUTTS look out. HERE WE COME!!!
GO BRAVES
By Shaun
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Chase,
He didn’t say it was older than the Mets, did he? Or that it is an old team? Or that all the players are old? He just said it wasn’t a young team.
Are you sure you just don’t have a problem with something else he said? Because saying it’s not a young team seems fairly accurate, overall.
By Dawg88
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Trades now official!
Tex to ATL
Dotel to ATL (for Kyle Davies)
Hope these trades work but for me I’ll believe it when I see it. Good Luck Salty, Kyle, Elvis, Harrison, etc. I’ll miss seeing you at Spring Training each year.
By Good Luck
July 31, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Best of luck Braves and Braves fans. It doesnt matter how many runs your offense puts up, as of proof late, your bullpen will give up just as many. JS is selling for this year and by the way when does his contract expire??? Will there be any prospects left in the organization?? Join the fan ban heading to Texas. It may take a while but at least they have a future to look forward to.
One last note, We sure won’t miss DO’s insight (or lack of). When are you people going to wake up and step up to “your beat writer”. I think he needs to take a long vacation and come back with some positiveness. Be thoughtful of your team not so degrading. By the way DO have you ever thanked Mark Bowman for the great, positive insights on the team?? Thank God he posts first so we can receive the positive informative side before we read your work (or lack thereof). There is light at the end of the tunnel. Dotel was just aquired. Will it be enough. I sure hope so for the the future braves fans.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
What could we possibly be looking to get for WICKMAN?
By Chris
July 31, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
Davies deal now done according to espn.
By Austin
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
STARK REPORT
Dotel to ATL Official
By Patrick
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
DONE DEAL!!! Dotel in Davies out, so now it’ll either be Arroyo, Byrd or Lee coming to Atlanta
By Michael
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Jason Stark: Davies for Dotel done.
By Bob
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
I agree that ESPN has a bias towards the Red Sox, Yanks and Mets, but it is really hard to find any criticism with today’s show. Jeeez guys. Gammons, Olney and Phillips have fallen all over themselves praising JS and the whole Braves organization. What the hell do you want? If you think this is hatin on the Braves you are nuts!!
Glad to hear both these trades are done. Looking forward to tonight.
By SteelCav
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Peter Gammons is about the only watchable thing going for ESPN and he loves the Salty-Tex trade. I’ll take that as affirmation….yes, great trade!
By Stephen
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Will Tex be in the lineup tonight?
By Efrim
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, Yunel Escobar is involved in the conversations between the Braves and Reds for Bronson Arroyo.
Escobar and Jo-Jo Reyes for Arroyo is a fair offer. The Reds, though, have Alex Gonzalez signed through 2009, and it’s doubtful Escobar would prove to be an upgrade on Edwin Encarnacion at third base. If they did get Escobar, it could be to move him for pitching in the offseason. He’s definitely in demand.
By jason
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Dotel deal done as well, Stark reports.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Yep , it was a great trade , for the offense and defense. Where is the pitching and don’t give me this Ron Mahay will solve the bullpen crap because he won’t. Where is the damn P-I-T-C-H-I-N-G ?????????
By BravesFanInRockies
July 31, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Wow. What a day. And more to come over the next couple hours, no doubt.
Did the Tex trade open up the floodgates (I mean all across MLB) or what?
By JMar
July 31, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
I think Lee makes a lot of sense - he was just sent down to the minors, angered his manager, stunk it up, and recently signed a decent-sized contract extension. But Wickman hasn’t been great, and the Indians are the only other team who ever seem to want him, so once we get Dotel, considering our dearth of starters at that point, we might take a shot on Lee.
By Huck5
July 31, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Wickman going elsewhere?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlbexperts/post/Braves-dangling-Wickman;ylt=At8FrdHGIGZBL5HAlMie_XkRvLYF?urn=mlb,40925
David - are you hearing any names?
By Chop Chop
July 31, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Done deal: Mets send SS Jose Reyes and 3B David Wright to the Devil Rays for LHP Scott Kazmir.
Omar Minaya: “We wanted to correct our mistake.”
By MEB
July 31, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
Our equipment manager is going to be real busy. Having Teixeira, Dotel, and Mahay in the fold is going to be great. Certainly hope Tex is a quick study for National League pitching.
GO BRAVES!!!
By Stat Heads On Crack
July 31, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
As Gilda Radner used to say on SNL……”nevermind.” :)
By Salty
July 31, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
JMar
As contract go, that is not an albatross by any stretch.
By Chris
July 31, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
Stupid Rangers. Thanks for taking your sweet time, making it hard to work out other deals.
By Jordan
July 31, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Dotel deal done?
By TommyP
July 31, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Reading that Escobar could be a part of this trade for Arroyo.
Oh boy…
By Chase
July 31, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
BRING ON ARROYO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Jason J.
July 31, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
**If we can get Dotel and trade Wickman for either Cliff Lee or Paul Byrd we’ll be set this year. Shuerholtz is a genius if he can pull all these off! Gone=Davies (ineffective), Salty (blocked at position), Andrus (3 years from majorsand blocked at position), Harrison and the other prospect (2-3 from majors), Wickman (old and increasingly ineffective). Coming In=Tiexiera (BIG bat, Gold Glove), Mahay (much needed lefty), Dotel (lights out closer or 8th inning guy if Soriano can handle closing), Cliff Lee or Paul Byrd (both decent options at #4)! All around good things going on at the Ted today! I’m going to the game tonight with the hopes that Tex will be there. Maybe Byrd can actually PITCH for the Braves this time around!
JJ
By Tommy
July 31, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
Espn has confirmed the Tex deal and now they just confirmed that ATLANTA has Aquired Octavio Dotel for Kyle Davies
By scstrato
July 31, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
Man! The delay in posting to this blog is long than it takes Texas to approve a trade!!!
By parks
July 31, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
Rotoworld now reporting that could be Escobar and JO JO for arroyo. PLEASE NOT ESCOBAR!!
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
Lew Just returned from a brief hiatus to see you still rippin’ up them trolls. But, you ask where No Brain At All has gone? Could he be changing into one of his many other suits/identities?
By GTA
July 31, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
DOB will Teixeira be in the lineup tonight?
By Colin
July 31, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
Braves Offering Jo-Jo Reyes, Yunel Escobar For Arroyo
UPDATE: John Fay says the Braves are also offering Yunel Escobar. This could get done. And finally allow Kelly Johnson to play every day again.
The Braves are making a push to get one of the better starting pitchers available. They’re willing to give up pitching prospect Jo-Jo Reyes to get Bronson Arroyo. My guess is that Reyes alone would not be enough; the Braves might have to dip into the farm system and pull out another prospect.
If you’re a Braves fan, you’re really have to admire John Schuerholz’s willingness to go for broke. Maybe he’s found a market inefficiency in teams overvaluing prospects.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
Braves Offering Jo-Jo Reyes, Yunel Escobar For Arroyo
UPDATE: John Fay says the Braves are also offering Yunel Escobar. This could get done. And finally allow Kelly Johnson to play every day again.
From MLBTradeRumors.com…
NO WAY JS DOES THAT FOR JUST ARROYO!!!!
Holy Snikeees…
Regards,
Jason
By Lew
July 31, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
Poor Little NoBrainZone-You finally found someone to explain and spell the word “rehabilitated” for you. Too bad it’s not applicable in your situation. There is no such thing as rehabilitation for a Mets’ fan. It’s an oxymoron (whereas you’re just a plain Moron). You wouldn’t be a Mets fan without a character flaw to begin with. Dude, you need a personality transplant. That would help you much more than any rehab program. Troll.
By Mets Stink
July 31, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
mlbtraderumors.com says the Braves have offered Reyes and Escobar for Arroyo. Please JS don’t trade Escobar!!
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
I was a little nervous about the Tex deal, but not that it happened and other deals are following, I couldn’t be more happy. Well, unless we get a good SP.
I have been trying to back Bobby and especially JS over the last few days while many have bashed him. To all you JS haters….what do you think now?
GO BRAVES
By ChinMusic
July 31, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
DOB, what are the odds we see big Tex in an ATL uniform for tonight’s contest with the Astros?
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
Braves Offering Jo-Jo Reyes, Yunel Escobar For Arroyo UPDATE: John Fay says the Braves are also offering Yunel Escobar. This could get done. And finally allow Kelly Johnson to play every day again.
The Braves are making a push to get one of the better starting pitchers available. They’re willing to give up pitching prospect Jo-Jo Reyes to get Bronson Arroyo. My guess is that Reyes alone would not be enough; the Braves might have to dip into the farm system and pull out another prospect.
If you’re a Braves fan, you’re really have to admire John Schuerholz’s willingness to go for broke. Maybe he’s found a market inefficiency in teams overvaluing prospects.
By SteelCav
July 31, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
Dotel for Davies???!!! What a friggin steal.
And let me say that I truly wish Davies well in KC. He needs a fresh start. Great stuff, just needs to get that head working straight.
By Chef
July 31, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
Deal done: Wickman for 1,000 white castles!
By Ron
July 31, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
I heard that Arroyo does NOT wont to leave the Reds not even for the Braves!!! Well if thats the Case, then forget Arroyo!!! If he wants to play for an awful team and not try for a World Championship then forget him!!! But he is probably just saying that!!! I think If he actually got traded to the Braves he would really like it!!!
By braveslifer
July 31, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
we’re supposedly offering Yunel Escobar AND Jo Jo Reyes for Arroyo…I don’t like that one bit. Wayyyyy too much. I really like Escobar.
By ernesto
July 31, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
how long do we control Dotel for? Is he a FA next year?
By Marty
July 31, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
Good Luck, spoken like a true moron. Go troll somewhere else.
By HP
July 31, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
Braves Offering Jo-Jo Reyes, Yunel Escobar For Arroyo according to mlbtraderumors.com. Not a god deal if it happens. Have to keep Escobar.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
July 31, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
Espn has reported that the Dotel for Davies deal is done to. For funny , we give up the farm for Teixeira and get Dotel for nothing. Absolutely hilarious !
By Kenny Lofton Observer
July 31, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
Watching the ESPN thing and keep seeing the DHL commercial that goes “Kenny Lofton has been traded to (whoever)” and they keep moving his stuff in a van.
And I know Kenny Lofton is at the end of his career and maybe needs every cent he can get his hands on, but you gotta think he had to approve DHL’s use of his name/image/likeliness. Interesting choice, though. I mean I wouldn’t want my name/image/likeliness be tarnished as such, making me feel like some piece of garbage that people just keep pushing to the next guy, but, oh well…
By Andy
July 31, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
Looks like the World Series this year may be the Braves and Red Sox.
By KC
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
TommyP: Where are you reading that?
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
Amazing that we are turning over 16% of our roster on July 31. Four new players coming in, minimum, with Teixeira, Mahay, Dotel, and Brayan Pena. I love the stones it took to do this and I hope it continues with a starting pitcher in the next hour.
I guess Thorman, Woodward, Paronto, and Ascanio are gone. Maybe we can throw Thorman into a deal for a starter. I also would not mind getting Paul Byrd for Wickman. Byrd has pitched well this season. 9-4 with a 4.40 ERA in the AL.
By Braves Fan
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
ESPN is reporting Davis has been dealt fo Dotel
By Johannes
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
DOB, thanks for the insight as usual! So, now that it’s too late, why Dotel??! Why not Mate from the Pirates? Ddn’t they want Davies? What about C.J. Wilson? Was he unattainable? What’s Jo Jo Reyes going to be doing now? Is Arroyo still available? Time is running out as we all know… And who’s going to be the dd man out with Mahay and Dotel arriving in the bullpen?
WOW THIS WAS AN EXCITING “DEADLINE”!
By scstrato
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
Whoa!
Braves offering Jo Jo and Yunel for Arroyo? Ouch!
MLB Traderumors
By Chad
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
I’m all for trading Wickman, but for Byrd or Lee? No way…
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
As DOB just said, the Texiera deal is officially done. It was also just reported by Buster Olney. Jayson Stark said the Davies for Dotel deal is also officially done. Now, it is on to Arroyo, Vasquez, Garland, Lee, and Byrd. Personally the Indians can keep Paul Byrd. Cliff Lee would be quite a steal in my opinion. Of Vasquez, Garland, and Arroyo I would say Vasquez is the best pitcher but Arroyo is the most financally efficient. Whoever was ripping Arroyo’s contract and saying that it would be an albatross is crazy. $4 mil next year for a guy that is #2 pitcher is an albatross? Tie it around my neck, baby!
By Wes
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
There’s a rumor out there that Yunel might be in the Arroyo deal.
That would be the worst JS deal of all time if it’s true.
By Johannes
July 31, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
DOB, thanks for the insight as usual! So, now that it’s too late, why Dotel??! Why not LHP Marte from the Pirates? Ddn’t they want Davies? What about LHP C.J. Wilson? Was he unattainable? What’s Jo Jo Reyes going to be doing now? Is RHP Arroyo still available? Time is running out as we all know… And who’s going to be the odd man out with Mahay and Dotel arriving in the bullpen?
WOW THIS WAS AN EXCITING “DEADLINE”!
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Folks, Braves have got a BULLPEN again.
Dotel deal done. Davies to KC
By Huck5
July 31, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Yunel and Jo Jo for Arroyo?
http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/redsinsider/2007/07/deadline-nearer-still.asp
Interesting…
By ssiscribe
July 31, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
For what it’s worth, I would not deal Escobar for anybody. He’s too valuable — the starting third baseman if/when Chipper gets hurt … or the starting shortstop if/when Edgar gets traded (which I’d seriously consider in the offseason).
Just my two cents. But, based on what’s happened the past two days and what may be still brewing, is there any doubt now the Braves’ brass is exploring every option not just to win the East, but to win the World Series this year?
The Scribe abides.
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By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist
July 31, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
cmon tushy, cmon kid.
and does tushy play old maid? is tushy any good at old maid? will there be jealousies on this team? is this ranch big enough for hoss and tushy?
what happens when tushy wins a round at old maid?
cmon tushy, cmon kid.
By NO CHOP ZONE
July 31, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
LEW, you sound like such a Vermont queer. You keep going on and on but your still 4 1/2 games back. You’re still on the outside looking in. Lets see what those trades do for you gayboy……
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
On atlantabraves.com it says it’s not 4 for 2 it is 5 for 2.
By Chris
July 31, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
Where are you reading this news about Escobar being part of Arroyo trade?
By Don
July 31, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
Dodgers trade Betemit to the Yankees for Scott Proctor. That deal was rumored last year when Betemit was still with the Braves. Of course, Proctor has spent another year in Joe Torre’s bullpen, which is like a dog year.
To whoever it was advocating that the Braves go after head case Farnsworth, I believe he still has another year after this one at about $6 million thanks to one of the ridiculous contracts the Yanks have handed out to pitchers in the last several years. I doubt Schuerholz would be interested in picking up the rest of that contract, but then again I never thought JS would spend $750K or whatever it was for an injured 36 year old Tanyon Sturtze.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
JESSE Help me out with SHAUN!
He is convinced I am wrong and that the BRAVES AREN’T a YOUNG TEAM!
Good grief, If they aren’t young, nobody is!
By beachcomber
July 31, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
DOB - Good analysis of the trade. One other field that may already have been plowed elsewhere - you wonder how the two young pitchers will react to that field of nightmares they have in Texas - as opposed to Turner which plays a lot more fair?
One question that may have been covered during my absence from the blog during vacation time. Who did McBride pi* off? DOB you described the trade of McBride as “curious.” Was this another Spooneybarger deal where the tradee had pi*ed off Cox? Because that trade made no sense from the get-go.
By Chris
July 31, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
Jason J. How do you call someone with a 3.91 ERA a lights out closer? Are you kidding? And why would the Braves trade Wickman when the bullpen is really their biggest need right now? That would be pretty stupid.
As for Tex…the guy has just over a .260 average on the road. Not so sure he’ll be quite as great as people think. He was afterall playing in the best hitters park in the A.L.
By tyyosh
July 31, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
What? ESPN2 said 4 minor leaguers to Texas, including Jones? The first name was garbled a bit. Did anyone else hear this?
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
We CANNOT trade Escobar. That cannot happen. No way.
By Colin
July 31, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
I hope we trade Wickman back to the tribe for Lee or Byrd because put either in the 5 spot behind Buddy WOW!!!!
By JMar
July 31, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
I think I would cry if we traded both Jo-Jo and Yunel for Arroyo. Just Yunel for Arroyo wouldn’t make me happy. I refuse to believe JS would allow Chris Woodward to be the primary backup all around the infield, except 1b, especially for Chipper.
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
I have ALWAYS given JS the benefit of the doubt in trades and tried not to say anything negative but I would never give up Jo Jo and Escobar for Arroyo. I know SP is what we need the most but those are 2 great young players. If you trade Elvus, you can’t trade Escobar too!!!!!!
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
Maybe the Braves are trading Wickman for a SS prospect which would allow them to include Escobar in a deal for Arroyo?
Rumors are getting crazy with less than an hour to go!!
Regards,
Jason
By Josh
July 31, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
At least all of the players we are trading will go to teams we are not in competition with. I wish Salty the best in Texas and I hope they let him catch. I hope Davies can get a fresh start and Kansas City and lead them back to respectability.
Now he’s an option…if these trade rumors for wickman are false. Can Dotel save on the road, and let wickman take over at home? :)
By Jason J.
July 31, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Bronson Arroyo, RHSP—Cincinnati Reds: Reds are not interested in dealing him. The Red Sox would probably welcome him back. The Braves have re-expressed their interest in him and with three hours remaining they were offering Yunel Escobar and Jo-Jo Reyes. Last updated: 11:56 AM - Jul 31, 07 by MLB4U.com | Source: John Fay
I hope this isn’t true!!
MLB4U.com is my source
By SomeCallMeChief
July 31, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Please, please leave Escobar alone. That kid is the real deal.
Let KJ play RF once Andruw leaves (Francoeur to center) and put Escobar at 2B. Once Renteria leaves, Escobar slots in at short and KJ returns to 2B. Unfair to KJ? Maybe. Good for the Braves? Absolutely.
By Novice Ned
July 31, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this
I love Escobar, but trading for a starter signed for thenext 2-3 years is SOO much better than trading a young starter for an oft-injured reliever with 3 months left on his contract. On second thought, dump Wickman for Byrd and keep Escobar. Anyone gambling that Chipper will remain healthy is fooling themselves.
By Midnight Earl
July 31, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
Beau Jones added as 5th player for Teixeira.
By Bryan from Kansas (Go KU)
July 31, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
HOLY COW.. David.. Not Escobar too?
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
Braves added lefty BEAU JONES to the initial four-prospect package for Tex and Mahay.
That was probably done get the deal completed because the Rangers were concerned about Harrison’s shoulder, but I’ll let you know when I hear for sure.
It was the four previously reported, including Harrison, plus Jones, 20, a 2005 supplemental first-rounder rated the No. 14 prospect by BA last winter.
Folks, that’s five of the Braves’ top 18 prospects that went to Texas in this deal. FIVE. Wow. You don’t see that often.
By Aleem
July 31, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
The braves and rangers websites are saying that Beau Jones was added to the Teix deal as a fifth player going to the Rangers. I can’t believe we’re being this aggressive…
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this
DOB what are you hearing about this Arroyo deal???
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this
Sorry, I had missed where NCZ came out from under the bridge, again. But, Lew didn’t.
Look, I propose that we swap him for a fool-to-be-named-later(FTBNL)and then forget about it.
By Marty
July 31, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this
I would hate to see Escobar go. If there’s another way to get Arroyo, that wouldn’t be a bad move.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this
I don’t think JS gives REYES and ESCOBAR for Just ARROYO.
Someone else would have to be coming our way for both those guys
By iluvmccann
July 31, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
DOB, ESPN is reporting a 5th player in the Texeira trade. Is that true and is that what the hold-up was?
By SteelCav
July 31, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
Just say no to trading Yunel…gotta be a smokescreen. No way JS or BC trades him.
By Chris
July 31, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
This would be an awful AWFUL AWFUL deal if the Braves do it. Don’t get carried away John.
“Braves Offering Jo-Jo Reyes, Yunel Escobar For Arroyo according to mlbtraderumors.com. Not a god deal if it happens. Have to keep Escobar.”
By braveslifer
July 31, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
After reading it again, the cincinnati paper (don’t remember the name website says “The other name I heard in the Braves-Bronson Arroyo talk was Yunel Escobar, the highly rated shortstop. He was Atlanta’s second-round pick in 2005. He’s a Cuban defector.”
“The other name I heard” could just mean that Cincinnati asked for Escobar, and the Braves said “Hell no.” At least I’m hoping that’s what they said. So, after re-reading, I’m not as worried that we’d trade Escobar. As someone mentioned above, he’s the primary backup for Chipper and Edgar, and ready to step in if we decide to deal Edgar after the season (not that we should).
By Wes
July 31, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
I’m hearing that Braves prospect Beau Jones was included in the Tex deal at the last minute.
Lame.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
DOB,
It is being reported that the Braves sent 5 players to the Rangers with Beau Jones being the 5th…and we couldn’t get Wilson…holy crap!
Regards,
Jason
By Mizzou Guru
July 31, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
Arroyo is a very good pitcher. He had great numbers last year. Over the winter he supposedly pitched, and based on his innings last year and over the winter, he was tired early in the year. Cincinnatti has given him a little extra rest and he is pitching really well now. If the Braves got him, I would call him the #3 starter.
By Novice Ned
July 31, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
The success of these trades for the remainder of the season still rests with Smoltz being truly healthy. Tex, Mahay and Dotel can’t make up for not having a stud ace… let’s hope John takes care of his arm and takes off a start when he needs to do so. In fact, with the likely momentum from the past 2 days of transactions, I’d be okay if he takes this week off and comes back strong next week.
By Chad
July 31, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
Escobar is good, but he’s slow, his range isn’t that great, and he has NO power.
By JMar
July 31, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
Whoever was ripping Arroyos contract and saying that it would be an albatross is crazy. $4 mil next year for a guy that is #2 pitcher is an albatross? Tie it around my neck, baby!
No, if you would read what was written, it’s $6.5 mil next year, $9.5 mil, $11 mil, and probably either $13 mil or a $2 mil buyout. In other words, we’d be paying an average pitcher growing old Tim Hudson money. Remember when everyone wanted to trade Tim after a 4.86 ERA? Well Arroyo doesn’t have anything remotely like Hudson’s track record, and I’m not excited about trading talent to pay that much for a mid-4’s ERA.
By Colin
July 31, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
I really like our chances to win the divison by a large amount. We def have the best offense and we get to play the phillies in that sandbox. WOW the possibilties this year, and next.
By Marty
July 31, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
For the hundredth time, baseball players aren’t little plastic army men that you can just place anywhere on the map that suits you. Kelly Johnson played LF two years ago — remember? — and he was very bad out there. He needs to stay in the infield.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
OK, Y’all-We’ve been informed. We don’t need any more posts confirming the done nature of the trades. We figured it out after the first 15 or 20. Specualte forward. Please.
By Pimply Faced Kid
July 31, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
IF Escobar is included in any deal that doesn’t bring Cy Young to the Braves, then all this joy and successful dealing up to this point have been an overall bust! It also says that they mortgaged the future so Bobby and JS could have one more shot before they left.
I don’t want to believe that, but if Escobar goes in a deal for Arroyo, it’s nuts!
So what does that say? Lillebrige is the SS of the future?
By bryan
July 31, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
No Chop Zone:
Seriously, “queer” ???
I guess you got out of summer school early to post that crap?
Let your balls drop before you come up with any more pre-pubescent, school yard reminiscent, braves-hattin-chump posts.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 31, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Beau Jones included in the Tex deal. 5 for 2
By dayf
July 31, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
Beau Jones was included in the Teixeira trade too?
By Dr. R
July 31, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
It’s refreshing to have a GM who wants to win now and not make us wait three years (like the Pirates and Marlins, et al). Maybe it helps that he and Bobby are 66 and don’t want to wait forever. Neither do I; I shell out money for a ticket to see the team win TODAY, not three years from now. Screw the future. It’s sad, though, that so many Braves fans get attached to their apple-cheeked hunky little prospects (mostly women who still wearing their Javy Lopez jerseys). It’s about winning, today, not collecting prospects. What would you rather have: A house full of virgins or one woman who knows how to please you? OK, bad metaphor, but you get my point.
By KC
July 31, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
Jmar: “I refuse to believe JS would allow Chris Woodward to be the primary backup all around the infield, except 1b, especially for Chipper.”
A top-of-rotation caliber starter is much more valuable than a reserve infielder. Now I realize that Escobar is more than a utility guy… he could be a very good player. But my point is that if we have to create a small hole in order to fill a gaping one…
By BigD
July 31, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
**Talked to a rep with the Braves, Tex was still in Texas as of today, probably won’t play until tomorrow.
Yunel Escobar is going to be a star in the major leagues trading him would be stoopid**
By beachcomber
July 31, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
Just for grins, I checked out the Red’s blog for news on what would be a horrible trade if it included Escobar.
Bottom line, those folks over there are even nuttier than us Braves fans!
By ssiscribe
July 31, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
I believe it’s Beau Jones, a pitcher at Rome, who is the fifth player in the Tex deal. He’s 2-0 with a 4.63 ERA in 26 games with Myrtle Beach and Rome this season.
—30—
By Scott
July 31, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
Is Tex in the lineup tonight??? If so, I want to get to the game tonight.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
WILL TEX BE IN THE LINEUP TONIGHT?
By KC
July 31, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
Well, congrats are in order for BOTH GMs in the Tex-Salty trade. We got two huge pieces, and they got quite a haul themselves.
By Jesse
July 31, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
16 of the 25 guys on the braves roster are under 30. this doesnt include jones who just turned 30. the mets on the other hand have 7 of their 25 guys under 30. Many of the braves players that are over 30 are guys like paronto, jones, and woodward who havent seen their 33 birthdays yet
By Chris
July 31, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
I agree totally with JMar…don’t want Arroyo at all. We don’t need another mid 4 ERA guy if we have to get up much of anything at all to get him. I don’t want to trade just Jo Jo for him.
By DrHoo
July 31, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
Arroyo: 11 earned runs, 32 Ks in his last 6 starts, including 7 innings of shutout ball against the Braves. At least we’d be getting him while he’s hot.
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
Now I am a little disappointed that we did not get CJ Wilson. Five highly-rated prospects??? Wow. Looks like the Rangers are getting 4 prospects for Gagne, too. Insane.
That is a real shocker, adding in a fifth player in the Teixeira deal. Jeez.
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
I think the Arroyo deal signals a concern in the Braves’ front office about John Smoltz health down the stretch. Maybe thats just me, but I think dealing Yunel and Jo Jo is a clear indication that we need an insurance policy in the rotation in case Smoltzie’s wearing down. Not crazy about this deal, on the surface, but if Smoltz is ailing or just wearing down, Bronson would be a huge insurance policy for us the next few years. Add him with Huddy and Chuck James, not even considering Smoltz, and that’s a formidable top-three of the rotation.
By George Allen
July 31, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
THE FUTURE IS NOW!
By Robert
July 31, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
What’s Dotel’s contract look like? How much longer is it and for how much? Or is he essentially a rent a player for the next 2 months?
By David
July 31, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
Beau Jones, too? Did the Rangers hypnotize JS into giving up all of our prospects?
This deal makes me sick to my stomach, and I never complain about JS trades.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
I bet we hear an announcement regarding a starter…JS knows we need one, and I bet he gets one…
Remember, the deals are not one year rentals…the farm system will be restocked in no time, and as Lew and Efrim have pointed out, we are loaded at the lower levels. No need to worry…
Get Garland and let’s go to the WS!
Regards,
Jason
By HP
July 31, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
Why in the world fifth prospect was added to the deal? If they think Harrsion is injured then they shouldn’t have got him. As previolsly announced the trade should be 4 for 2. They need to have either Beau Jones or Matt Harrison. Otherwise it is a bad deal for the Braves.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
Okay, I totally disagree with including Escobar. We need this guy too much.If it takes Escobar, then I don’t do the deal. The only way I would give up Escobar is if we give up Wickman for another SS or 2B type. If the Cubs were willing to give up Ronny Cedeno, then maybe. If the Brewers want to give up Rickie Weeks, okay. If the Mariners want to give up Ballentin or however you spell it, okay. Otherwise, no way I make that deal. Escobar is a star and as good as Renteria is he is living on borrowed time.
By BEST LINE OF THE DAY
July 31, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
“I realize that Escobar is more than a utility guy..he could be a very good player.”
What insight!
By Chad
July 31, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
Add Beau Jones to the mix and no matter how you slice it, we got raped…
By Lew
July 31, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
Vermont Queer. Gay Boy and Lew-ser-Oh. The Originality (or lack thereof)!!! Surely you can do better than that Little Troll Boy. Here’s some more vocabulary for you to look up, my Little Elementary School Dropout. How about infantile, juvenile, unimaginative, delusional and immature? You can get Mommy to break out the dictionary, or if as I suspect, she left you years ago-just walked right out-there’s always Wikipedia. Dude, you’re not even fair competition. Kind of like Beltran against Wainwright. Totally overmatched. Hey Paladin. How are you today?
By Chris
July 31, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
KC says…”A top-of-rotation caliber starter is much more valuable than a reserve infielder. Now I realize that Escobar is more than a utility guy he could be a very good player. But my point is that if we have to create a small hole in order to fill a gaping one ”
Problem with this post is Arroyo is not a top-of-the-rotation type of starter. He’s a number 4 starter at best. Sorry.
By The Grinch
July 31, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
Wow, I just posted on the old blog not 10 minutes ago. Thanks for the update, y’all.
Journalist Jimmy Smith, does our new first baseman have anything to fear from Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top? “Lawd take me downtown, I’m just lookin’ for some Tush.”
Savannah Guy, e-mail me at voton1066@yahoo.com and I’ll forward it to Paladin.
No Chop Zone does a creditable immitation of a Mets fan normally, but you can tell he really isn’t because he’s not hiding right now. If he’s really a fan, he started no earlier than last year or else the innate cowardice and ineptitude his entire organization historically reeks of would have rubbed off on him more.
By Salty
July 31, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
Chris How do you call someone with a 3.91 ERA a lights out closer?
Don’t use ERA to evaluate a closer; one bad outing blasts things outta sight in a hurry. They don’t get enough innings to ‘absorb’ the damage, unless it happens very early in the season.
By TampaBrave
July 31, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this
LEW,
Take your medication please. Stop hatin brother. All is good in the ATL today. Got to start a streak tonight. Need positive energy my friend.
To All,
My work is done :)
Let’s DO it TO it Braves!
By Wes
July 31, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this
“OK, Yall-Weve been informed. We dont need any more posts confirming the done nature of the trades. We figured it out after the first 15 or 20. Specualte forward. Please.”
Lew, FYI, there’s a 5 minute delay on postings so it’s impossible to tell if someone has already said something…and you misspelled speculate.
By s t i n k y
July 31, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
But can we get Carl Crawford?
By John96Cobra
July 31, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
Haven’t seen it mentioned, how long are Mahay and Dotal signed for? Will they be gone after this season?
By Andy
July 31, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
I have tickets for tonight’s game because I was expecting Tex to play. he BETTER be in the lineup.
By JMar
July 31, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
KC A top-of-rotation caliber starter is much more valuable than a reserve infielder. Now I realize that Escobar is more than a utility guy he could be a very good player. But my point is that if we have to create a small hole in order to fill a gaping one
I see losing Escobar and Jo-Jo as akin to trading Matt Schaub for one second rounder. Except that both Chipper AND Edgar are Mike Vick, and Woodward isn’t even Joey Harrington. If we have to play Chris Woodward for an extended period of time, which is very possible, our season is probably about as over as Falcons fans think theirs is. Not to mention that we’re left with the worst bench in the majors. I’d rather take my chances with Jo-Jo.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
Braves just traded WILL LEDEZMA and WILL STARTUP, to San Diego for LHRP RUSS RING!
680 the fan: Bill Shanks
By Kentavo
July 31, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
I would like to hold onto Wickman - gives us more options in pen and insurance should anyone (Dotel) get hurt. But otherwise, I dig these deals.
By Andy
July 31, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
Lets get Arroyo NOW. What if Smoltz goes down ? We need another quality starting pitcher in case we dont have Smoltz.
By bwash21
July 31, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
I want Arroyo or Byrd here. Either would be good, Arroyo great. BUT
DO NOT TRADE YUNEL!!
By Chris
July 31, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
Braves needed to get Wilson if they are giving up 5 of the top 18 prospects for basically one player who’s only signed through the end of next year. This trade sounds worse and worse now.
And what if they can’t sign Tex long-term? Then they’ve given up way way too much for him for 1 1/2 years.
By geauxbraves2000
July 31, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
I must say, I’m impressed on this deadline day! (With the possible exception of the 5th player to TX, wow)
I’ve got another one, how about Reyes & Escobar for Arroyo & Griffey Jr?
Okay, just kidding, but it was fun to type.
Geaux Braves!!
By mike
July 31, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
Do Not Trade Escobar He’s a stud.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
Well, it’s too late to bring in Bill Walsh to put in the West-Coast Offense. I guess it’s BC’s smoke n’mirrows, or nothin’.
By DrHoo
July 31, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
Dotel: 1 year contract, $5 million, so essentially we’re renting him for the stretch run and dumping Davies. Of course Wickman wasn’t going to be around next year, so the closer/setup positions would have needed offseason moves anyway.
By chc4
July 31, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this
So b/c we added Beau Jones it becomes a bad deal? He has a 4.5+ era in a A ball and that’s the deal breaker? Gotta love the armchair GM!!
By Steve from OH
July 31, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this
NO JS, NO! Don’t give away Yunel and JoJo! Package Wickman, Thor and Ledezma for Cliff Lee!
By Chase
July 31, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
once WICKMAN’S contract is gone next year, We COULD re-sign DOTEL if we want to!
By Lew
July 31, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
Wes-Yes, I made a typo. Have you never done that before? No matter when the post was posted, the sentiment is still a valid one. So what, exactly, is your point? The reporting went on for about a half hour-not five minutes. Feeling guilty or something?
By TampaBrave
July 31, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this
Good Observation Ron Roberts!!
By Ron
July 31, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this
JS just got B!tched slapped by Daniels!!! That is TRULY pathedic that we even had to throw in Beau Jones in that trade ALSO just to get Tex and Mahay!!! We could not even get CJ Wilson!!! If we dont win it all this year OR Next year, then I hope JS packs his bags and gets the hell out of here!!! I would not be surprised if another player is in that deal for Tex!!! That is TRULY Pathedic!!! Hell A-Rod might have taken one extra player to get him!!! And I am not even joking!!!
By Captain Kirk
July 31, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this
Yes, Tex will be in the lineup tonight. We are about to beam him to Atlanta…starting NOW…
By Carolina Gent
July 31, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
With the posting delay this may be moot before it gets put up but I hope we don’t trade Escobar, especially for a #4 or 4 pitcher!
By Salty
July 31, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
Grinch
Apparently Arroyo is disenchanted at the prospect of being a Brave. Clue him that you and your buddies need another ‘jam’ partner to rock with. That ought to sway him!
By Voice of Reason
July 31, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
While listening to ESPN2 while monitoring the most comprehensive deadline covereage - that being the Braves/Man In Black blog - I heard the phrase “Frank Gore broke his hand.” I thought he said Francoeur and almost choked on my Chocolatey Honey Combs. Now I’ve gotta clean up the chewed Honey Combs and chocolatey milk goo from my desk…
By pinkygonzales
July 31, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this
I have to say that I agree with all the “the future is now” posters. This team is built to win and win in the next couple of years. Chipper and Smoltz are getting up there. Andruw’s in his last year, and Tex may only be around for two. I like Salty and Jo-Jo Reyes and Yunel Escobar and Kyle Davies and Matt Harrison and Elvis Andrus as much as the next guy. But our window is now and the year after that. We don’t have time to develop pitchers and hitters. We need them now. Arroyo and Dotel and Teixeira are ready now. These deals needed to be done.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
Lew Fine, thank you. And I’m just sittin’ here watching a master-at-work. Now, if I could just see you paint. :-)
By Lew
July 31, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
Oh Wes-One more thing. I’ve been posting on this site for in excess of two years-both before and after the five minute delay was instituted. I’m even aware of why the delay was instituted and who’s posts were responsible for the delay being instituted, but Thanks for the information, anyway.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
Chase,
Do you mean Royce Ring? If so, it seems he has good stats so far…
He’s got 44 Ks in 31.2 innings and is 4-0 with a 1.99 ERA!
Regards,
Jason
By Elements
July 31, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
I don’t like the idea of trading Yunel b/c he can take over 3B if Chipper gets hurt.
By KC
July 31, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
Chris: Arroyo was 4th in the league in ERA last year. This season, he’s struggled some (until recently)… but the Braves obviously feel that he’s a better pitcher than his numbers this year suggest. But I guess you’re smarter than John Schuerholz.
And BTW, even if he weren’t better than his ERA so far this year… he’s still better than a 4th starter. This ain’t the deadball era man.
By ernesto
July 31, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
5th player….what was that a tip? Buy 4 get one fee?
It’s Crazy Johnny’s…everything must go!!!!
By josh
July 31, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
Arroyo’s numbers this year make him a #4 starter. But he won 14 games in his two previous years, while pitching over 200 innings in both.
Chuck James runs into trouble a lot in the 5th/6th innings and Bobby takes him out. Not sure where his ERA and W-L would be if there wasn’t Moylan or someone else to bail him out. Don’t get me wrong, I think Chuck is a good pitcher, but he needs a 3rd good pitch to get through a lineup that 3rd time around. I don’t think he’s a viable playoff starter.
Arroyo, if he finds his groove, is a solid #3. I would trade Escobar for him…but it would be nice to keep Jo Jo. Sorry guys, I just don’t think Escobar is the super star he’s been made out to be.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
Ring has also held lefties to a .165 BA in AAA…
Regards,
Jason
By Chase
July 31, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
DOB….
Anymore word on a STARTER?
By dave
July 31, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
You people complaining about all the prospects being traded are idiots. In baseball your goal is to win the World Series! Not have the best farm system. The Braves have used their endless pool of prospects to build a highly competitive team. If they had done nothing then you all would be complaining about that. Remember they didn’t trade McCann, Francour, or Davies (until today) who were all highly rated prospects and having them on the roster hasn’t gotten us further in the playoffs. We now have a good mix of veterans and young players with playoff experience and we can make a legitimate run. I can run a list of atleast 20 or more “Prospects” who never did anything!
By Lee in South GA
July 31, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
I hope this Arroyo deals falls through if it means Escobar and Jo Jo are involved. Too many young players to give up at one time. Talk about selling the farm.
By Elements
July 31, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
Tyyosh:
Braves gave up 4 players in the Tex deal.
From Rotoworld: Braves acquired first baseman Mark Teixeira and LHP Ron Mahay from the Rangers for catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, shortstop Elvis Andrus, RHP Neftali Feliz, LHP Matt Harrison and LHP Beau Jones.
By Steve
July 31, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
I have tickets to the game tonight so can someone please tell me if Tex is indeed going to be in the lineup.
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this
What’s P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C is the bounty of spelling problems we see here on a daily basis.
Did we really just trade LeDISMAL and Will Startup for a lefty reliever from the Padres?
By Chris
July 31, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this
Salty Dont use ERA to evaluate a closer; one bad outing blasts things outta sight in a hurry. They dont get enough innings to absorb the damage, unless it happens very early in the season.
Dotel gave up 2 hits and a walk in his last game pitched in one inning, a hit in the one before that, a hit and two walks in the one before that, a hit in the one before that, a hit in the one before that, a walk in the one before that, a hit and a walk in the one before, two hits in the one before that, two hits and a walk in the one before that, and those are all just in one inning pitched.
So in his past 9 appearences he hasn’t had a single one-two-three inning. So no he really isn’t a “lights-out” type closer, sorry. And it’s not just one bad outing. He’s ok, but he’s not lights-out which was my point to begin with.
By Andy
July 31, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
LOL, Arroyo wants to be a Red instead of a Brave ? Does he like losing ?
By KC
July 31, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
Ron: “JS just got B!tched slapped by Daniels!!!”
Come on dude, get real. We got 2 huge pieces, and it is by no means a foregone conclusion that Tex will be gone after next year.
Salty is the only prospect in this deal that we can be relatively certain will be an impact player one day. Andrus is a good prospect, but no one knows how he’ll hit in the big leagues. He’s not hitting much at “A” ball. The other kids… they may or may not materialize.
I would certainly agree that the Rangers got a great package here, but JS did what he needed to do. Neither Salty or Andrus are likely to have any place to play. We simply didn’t need them. We DID need another impact player and a lefty reliever.
By Marty
July 31, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
DOB, is this Royce Ring trade made up/
By Salty
July 31, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Anyone know who has done better than a 19-12 mark over 39 starts…has a 3.55 ERA…and a 2:1 K/BB ratio? Is that an ace, #2, #3…or what starter?
By Matty P
July 31, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Voice of Reason: that is about the funniest thing I have heard this week, thanks for the pick me up!
By Ron
July 31, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
JS you better hurry the f*** up and get us a good starter!!! No holding back now!!!
By Dr. R
July 31, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
Fans are zany. No one wants the junk you don’t want, guys, for the same reason you don’t want it. The other GMs aren’t on crack. And do all you folks who slam Schuerholz and Cox realize just what they’ve done for 15 years? Real baseball people think they’re amazing. Braves fans shrug and wonder why we haven’t won the Sugar Bowl in awhile. Clue - less.
By Double Deuce
July 31, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
Great news with the addition of Dotel to the bullpen. It’s a good move by both sides, Dotel helps the Braves instantly, and Kyle Davies can move somewhere that allows him the time to mature and be the pitcher I think he can be. No pressure to keep KC in a pennant race. Good luck Kyle.
Braves are being very aggressive, and they needed to be to save this season. One aspect of this trade for Texeira that hasn’t been discussed is the impact of Tex on Andruw. First of all, Druw should be hitting 7th, but we all know Bobby won’t do that. Secondly, how will Druw react to not being the prime power hitting threat in the Braves lineup, or more importantly, how will he react to being the weak link, which is what he will become. Unless he can regain some sort of form and put up some decent numbers, he suddenly becomes someone the Braves work around in the lineup, unfamiliar territory for him even with the horrible year he’s having. It will be interesting to see how he reacts.
A sobering thought on an otherwise great day. The only reason the Braves would be willing to throw in Escobar with Jojo for Arroyo is that there is something seriously wrong with Smoltz. I sure hope I’m wrong on that one.
Otherwise, a great day to be a Braves fan. I admit I had my doubts we would be in the hunt in September. After today, not only will we be in the hunt, we will be the hunted. Good Stuff
By brent a.
July 31, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
Personally, I’d rather wait until the off-season, and deal Edgar, than trade Escobar in a deal for Arroyo, right now.
Just a hunch, but I would garner that Escobar is the Reds request, and not the Braves offer.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
Paladin-I never let anyone see me doing my artwork. Keeps them guessing about whether or not I use paint by numbers. You should see Gil In Mechanicsville’s Wurlitzer, though. Great portrait of Smoltz.
By KC
July 31, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
Josh: “Not sure where his ERA and W-L would be if there wasnt Moylan or someone else to bail him out.”
He hasn’t been getting bailed out all that often. That’s why he’s got a 500 record despite a very good ERA.
Unlike you, I’m pretty big on Escobar, but like you… I would do the Arroyo dead. However…
If we haven’t heard anything on Arroyo yet, it seems very unlikely that it’ll happen.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
JASONinMAINE
YES. IT is ROYCE RING!
They were mispronouncing his name initially on the radio.
But yes his stats are GREAT! and he is another Lefty!
Will TEX be here tonight?
Any info on another Starter?
By Bob
July 31, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
JasoninMaine,
Where did you get those stats on Ring? MLB says 3.60 ERA, 15 IP and 17Ks with 14BB. He is 27 years old.
By El Caganer
July 31, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
The Braves have a VERY deep farm system and they can afford to lose a few “prospects” to fill holes in order to win now. Unlike other teams the Braves don’t need to trade their good players for prospects, they trade and develop their own. Like this year and years past the Braves always have one of the top drafts. They are definately not mortgaging their future. Historically the “prospects” the Braves have parted with are usually turn out as journymen players at best. Tony Torasco or Keith Mitchell anyone?
The Braves have now filled their bullpen and first base holes. I am crossing my fingers now for Arroyo. In the playoffs all you need is a 3 man rotation and they are 2/3 of the way there. Right now, especially with the bullpen, they appear to be a force to be dealt with. If they get Arroyo then they could very well be the best teaqm in the NL.
Not that I wish any harm on any player, I want the Braves to beat the Mets at their best, and I wish him a speedy recovery; Carlos Beltran is headed to the DL with a strained oblique. If I were a Metropolitan fan I would be a tad more humble. Not to mention Pedro is a 6 or 7 inning pitcher at best if he is able to come back 100% from his injury. The Metropolitan’s rotation is not much better than the Braves and their middle relief is nowhere near as good now as the Braves since they have Dotel.
In general I am stoked as a Braves fan. This is the most excited I have been at the trade deadline since Ted was owner. After Time Warner’s thrifty indifference, Liberty Media is a refreshing change. Unlike Time Warner, Liberty Media is in it to win. Hats off to the new ownership, I was wrong with my “oh no, not another corporate owner”. Liberty Media has exceeded any expectations I had.
An ownership wanting to win is all a fan can ask for. Now it is the fans turn and start packing Turner Field to show their support. Make it to where the visiting team fans can either not find a ticket, have to steeply over pay for a ticket, or at least be stuck in the cheapest upper paviliion seats so their cheers can’t be heard.
By Josh
July 31, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
Steve,
Its been reported that its unlikely Tex or Mahay will be in a Braves uniform tonight.
By Gene Roddenberry
July 31, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
Captain Kirk, its ‘Energize’; Not ‘Starting right now.’
By Chris
July 31, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this
KC You’re looking at it all wrong. He had one good year last year (Arroyo) but he’s a career 51-55 with a 4.23 ERA pitcher. He’s a number 4 pitcher who had one good season. Judge him on his career numbers. It’s not that he’s struggling some this year it’s that he happened to have a career year last year and now he’s pitching as he normally does.
By The Grinch
July 31, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this
Salty, I might even grow my own mullet back out in honor of him and our upcoming WS appearance. I must admit, though; it does seem a bit odd that anyone would prefer Cincy over Atlanta, even if their team was great and ours sucked. That town and state belong in a third world nation.
By Elements
July 31, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
Sorry, that should have been 5 players for Tex and Mahay.
By brent a.
July 31, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
If you have tickets, and are wondering if Tex is going to play …
are you not going to attend the game, if he isn’t?
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
JMar, I apologize for not reading your post correctly. But, my opinion is still the same. Considering what “average” pitchers get in the current market Arroyo would be a steal. He would be making less money than Ted Lilly for goodness sake! Arroyo has been a very good starter and this is by far his bad year. Ask the Red Sox about him. Most of those guys would tell you that he was as important as anybody in their comeback against the Yanks in 2004. I remember that series well. He saved their behinds a few times. The Reds wouldn’t have even been in the playoff race last year if not for Arroyo.
By KC
July 31, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
Well, it is quite possible for JS to pick up another starter after 4pm if he hurries. I say “if he hurries” because at the moment, pretty much everyone we’re competing with in the division and Wild Card races have better records than us. That means they can’t block any deal we try to do through the waiver wires.
Don’t be surprised if something else goes down after the deadline.
By Josh
July 31, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
Its 4pm guys. Now we can sort through what the rumors were and what actually happened.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
MARTY
The ROYCE RING trade was reported by BILL SHANKS on 680 the Fan
I didn’t make it up…I didn’t even know who he was!
Don’t forget people, we can still here about trades for the next couple of HOURS!
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
Voice of Reason
That is funny that you said that b/c I thought I heard the same thing. I was reading this blog, half way listening to the tube, I heard it and almost lost it too.
By Huck5
July 31, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
Gagne to BoSox…
By Lew
July 31, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this
TampaBrave-You’re absolutely right. This is a momentous day for the Braves (no matter how you view the deals). JS has operated today like the final scene of a Godfather movie-one where Don Michael wipes out all his competition (hear that, NoBrainZone?). In the spirit of this new positivity, I should apologize to Efrim. I have given him a lot of grief, even calling his intelligence into question. I have wronged the poor lad. His Minor League analysis, especially of the Minor League pitching has been quite impressive-maybe some of the best to appear on the blog. Efrim, I apologize. I will now vent my spleen on NoBrainZone, who is certifiably a moron and a Troll.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
Bob,
The stats you are getting are from his brief stint in the majors. I gave his AAA stats which can be found Here
Regards,
Jason
By Lew
July 31, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Oh. The Humility!!!!
By Brett Auerbach
July 31, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Will Tex be playing tonight?
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 31, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
4:00 est….And Exhaaaaaaaallllle everyone. Time to take inventory on what we’re dealing with from here on out.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
Anyone who should ever want to call me names, etc., without fear of retribution should put in in 3 or 4 lines of BOLD CAPS. I scroll pass that stuff, shading my eyes, without reading it.
By JMar
July 31, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
No one wants the junk you dont want, guys, for the same reason you dont want it.
And yet every year, someone gives Neifi Perez millions of dollars.
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
From Cincinnati.com:
“Dumatrait pulled from Triple-A start
Kevin Kelly reports that Kirk Saarloos is starting for Lousville tonight. The Bats pulled Phil Dumatrait back from his start. Whether that means anything related to Arroyo remains to be seen.”
There are people over there who think Arroyo may be involved in a trade…
Regards,
Jason
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
Here’s top half of my trade-deadline story posted soon or already online:
By David O’Brien
The deadline-deal bonanza continued for the Braves today when they traded recently demoted starter Kyle Davies to Kansas City for Royals closer Octavio Dotel.
The deal was finalized just over an hour before todays 4 p.m. deadline for non-waiver trades. The Braves picked up one of the best available relievers one day after working out a deal for the best available hitter, Texas first baseman Mark Teixeira.
In Dotel, the Braves get a right-hander who posted a 3.91 ERA in 24 appearances and converted 11 of 14 save opportunities for the Royals. Hell likely serve in a setup role initially for the Braves, but Dotel could also provide a closer option if Bob Wickman struggles during the playoff drive.
Dotels .264 opponents average includes a .157 mark with runners on base and .132 with runners in scoring position. Hes making $5 million this season, with incentives likely to earn him another $1 million or more. Dotel holds a $5.5 million player option for 2008, an option the team can void.
Most industry analysts say the Braves improved their roster more than any other major league team at this years trade deadline. They paid a hefty price in the form of prospects and Davies, who still is young (23) and could still develop into a solid major league starter.
But the Braves were determined to address their weaknesses and make a run at the division title this season in what figures to be a tight three-team race between New York, Philadelphia and Atlanta. The Braves were 4-1/2 games behind the Mets and 1-1/2 behind the Phillies before Tuesday.
Teixeira and left-handed reliever Ron Mahay came from Texas in a trade that sent five prospects to the Rangers including catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, shortstop Elvis Andrus and three pitchers lefties Matt Harrison and Beau Jones and right-hander Neftali Feliz.
The Braves and Rangers agreed to most terms of that deal on Monday, but Jones was added to the Braves original four-prospect package on Tuesday in order to get the deal done.
The Rangers were concerned about Harrisons recently sore shoulder, and the Braves agreed to include the highly record Jones thrown in to offset those concerns and get the deal done. Jones, 20 was rated the No. 13 prospect in the organization by Baseball America last winter.
His inclusion in the deal made it five of the Braves top 20 prospects included in the package sent to Texas, including four of the teams top 13 prospects according to Baseball Americas rankings.
Jones was 5-0 with a 2.96 ERA and three saves in 21 relief appearances for Class-A Rome this season, but allowed 13 earned runs in 7-2/3 innings (15.26 ERA) in five games (one start) at high Class-A Myrtle Beach.
The Dotel trade was also worked out Monday, but delayed until Tuesday afternoon because the Braves had to first make sure that Davies was not wanted by the Rangers in the Teixeira deal. Royals general manager Dayton Moore ran the Braves minor league system when Davies was coming up through the organization, and Moore believes the right-hander can get things straightened out.
The Royals received a lot of trade interest in Dotel and were offered higher-rated prospects or young players than Davies during the past month.
By Tom
July 31, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
4:01PM this just in… Atlanta, GA. John Schuerholz, long time Atlanta Braves general manager, found locked in closet today immediately following the mlb trade dealine. Reports indicate that he had been tied up with a set of suspenders. He was unable to speak coherently yet was reported to be mumbling something about “Wren and crazy.” and “not me.” Schuerholz may have been missing for several hours. Minor leaguer, JSS Jr, suggested he may have been missing for days since he failed to call in his nightly bedtime story on Sunday. Local police have searched the closet and John’s pockets attempting to locate his cell phone. It apparrently has been taken from the scene. More to come…
By Carolina Lady
July 31, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
from Mark Bowman: “Because the trade with the Rangers wasn’t completed until approximately 90 minutes before Tuesday’s trade deadline, Teixeira’s debut with the Braves won’t come until Wednesday night.”
By Ron H
July 31, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
Davies for Dotel as the buzzer goes off
well, guess we’re going to use the SP we have now…
well, not bad
i think we’re a better team now…
goooo braves
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
July 31, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
What I don’t understand is why we had to give up our top 3 prospects(and 5 out of 18) just to get one player! And a guy who hit .265 on the road this year. (and .221 in the teams many losses this year)
Meanwhile, Boston got Gagne without giving up their 2 top minor league starters. They didn’t even have to give up Jon Lester. They gave up a decent 3-4 starter with little ML experience(Kason Gabbard) and a guy who projects to a 4th outfielder.
By Luther
July 31, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
Just in- In addition to the five previously mentioned players, Braves trade 3 future first round picks, and the Minnesota Vikings roster for Tex, Mahey, and Herschel Walker.
I like the trade, but please just don’t tell me if anyone else is included.
By Interested Observer
July 31, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
Maybe with all these new bullpen guys, Villareal will be moved to the 5th spot in the rotation. Just speculating.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
CORKY MILLER is the catcher called up, not B Pena
By woogidy
July 31, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
Whats this I hear about the Braves trading for Baldelli?… and also heard Corky Miller up, not Pena. jk about baldelli
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Is it done…for sure we didn’t get a starter? Also, thanks for putting up with all of us and the questions…We appreciate all of your hard work!
Regards,
Jason
By Marty
July 31, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this
Chase, I wasn’t suggesting that you made it up…if you hadn’t noticed, though, these rumors have a way of getting out of hand right before the deadline. ;)
By ernesto
July 31, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
A quick blog poll.
What’s more annoying?
PEOPLE WHO DO ALL CAPS POSTS.
Or people who do their entire post in bold type for some reason?
By Andy
July 31, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
It says on braves.com that Tex and Mahay aren’t expected to bein Atlanta until late tonight, early tomarrow, and Texieria won’t play…julio Franco will probably get another start becasue Thorman will be on his way to Richmond…
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
Chris, Arroyo’s last four seasons have shown me enough; he’s worth getting. 32-31 with a 3.67 ERA pitching for (and mostly in) Boston and Cincinnati.
More to date, six of his last seven starts have been quality starts. Sadly, two of those quality starts, he was hung with the loss - which means he pitched well enough to win, but the team didn’t.
Give us that kind of effort with our re-re-tooled bullpen and we notch wins.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
Lew My other post might have made more sense if I had included, as I intended, “do you use the same bold strokes?” But, I was interupted by my dog wanting me to ask DOB if Tex was going to play tonight And, Have you heard anymore about…?
Hey, don’t knock it. He cares!
By Ron
July 31, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
JS if you ended up NOT getting a Starter then I will be glad when you f*** retire!!! NO reason whatsoever not to get a Starter!!! Hell Cliff Lee is an upgrade over JoJo and he would not cost much to get!!! I know he sucked this year BUT he is really really good!!! Get Silva, Byrd, Arroyo, Lee, SOMEBODY!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Robert
July 31, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
Why Corky Miller instead of Pena - Pena is hitting a whole lot better than Mendoza Miller
By Bob
July 31, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
JasoninMaine,
Thanks. Sounds like the guy has potential and we could use a second lefty in the pen. I wonder who else is going down. Corky Miller up…isn’t that a surprise?
By Thrillhouse44
July 31, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
Here’s why I like today: We got a bona fide All-Star/Gold Glove first baseman, a solid left-handed relief pitcher, and a good right-handed set-up man. If you guys remember, our bullpen had started to hurt us a few weeks ago. This move helps solidify late inning leads. It also gives us a stud without disrupting our current lineup. Do you guys realize that? We got better without giving up anyone who was consistently contributing to our team.
True, we gave up some prospects, but I’m concerned about TODAY, not tomorrow. JS put us in a position to compete in 2007. He, and we, can worry about 2008 - 2012 later. Play for the NOW.
It’s a great day to be a Braves fan!
By KC
July 31, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
I’m guessing we’re going to read the words “the Atlanta Braves designated reliever Chad Paronto for assignment” very soon.
By Zoldars
July 31, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this
Just pulled this off of cincinatti.com
Kevin Kelly reports that Kirk Saarloos is starting for Lousville tonight. The Bats pulled Phil Dumatrait back from his start. Whether that means anything related to Arroyo remains to be seen. Posted » 7/31/2007 3:55pm
(Dumatrait is the reds minor league pitcher for tonights game…did they trade arroyo?)
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
July 31, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Man, if we get Royce Ring….14 walks in 15 innings??? Bobby will see him walk one guy to start an inning, and he will be “McBrided” or “Ledezmaed”
By Pimply Faced Kid
July 31, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Thorman can’t go to Richmond, he’s out of options.
By whatwhat
July 31, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Did the Braves get a starter?
By KC
July 31, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
From mlbtraderumors.com:
“The Phillies are attempting to corner the market on scumbags. Today, they acquired 28 year-old reliever and wife beater/biter Julio Mateo from the Mariners.”
That’s funny stuff.
By Thrillhouse44
July 31, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
Corky over Pena? What did Pena do?
By Josh
July 31, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
For those who know…how does Corky’s defense compare to Pena’s? For a backup catcher, I recall Pena wasn’t a bad hitter.
By KC
July 31, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
From mlbtraderumors.com:
Rangers Offered $140MM To Teixeira
The Rangers made a legitimate offer to first baseman Mark Teixeira before trading him. Apparently they offered him an eight-year, $140MM package. That’s an average annual value of $17.5MM. A little light, but not a bad starting point.
But since the deal covered the 2008 season and Teixeira would’ve gotten around $14MM regardless, it was really a seven-year, $126MM offer - same as Barry Zito’s contract. $18MM a year for Teixeira sounds reasonable, but who knows how it will seem a year from now? He might be a $22MM player at that point. Teixeira will, of course, hit the open market after the 2008 season.
Well… if true, that’s not particularly good news.
By Big Easy
July 31, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
Any word on the roster moves to make room for the newest Braves?
By ccccc
July 31, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
Did we get a STARTING PITCHER??????
By dave
July 31, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
People who do entire post in bold are trying to make a clear point. Same with all caps. Just read the information and move on. It’s a blog. Jeez!
By JMar
July 31, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
AJC jumping the gun? Via their front page:
Newly acquired first baseman Mark Teixeira should have the tomahawks chopping as he makes his Braves debut vs. the Astros tonight.
By KC
July 31, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
Although (to follow up my last post)… no one takes slightly less than full market value to play in a place where they’re not particularly happy. If he turned down 17.5 a season in Texas, that doesn’t necessarily mean he’d turn it down in Atlanta.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
Yes, one MORE prospect down _ Will Startup and Ledezma to San Diego for LH Royce Ring, who had great numbers in Triple-A and solid numbers with big club.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
Berigan-The Red Sox did not get an All Star, Gold Glove hitter with power-signed through the end of next year. They got a reliever, who is signed through season’s end, who has missed two or three successive years with serious, career threatening injuries-who has an attitude and doesn’t want to set up, only close (they already have Papelbon). The Braves, on the other hand, got the biggest player available this trade season, who averages 35 HR and 100+ RBI per year and is capable of hitting .300-who fills our most glaring positional need. We also got the LH reliever we lacked, who has put up pretty damn good numbers in a hitter’s ballpark. Make no mistake, either-They will sign Texiera long term-probably one reason for trying to dump Wicky’s salary (if, in fact, they did). Dude, you’re comparing apples and oranges with those two trades. Yes, we paid a high price, but it’s also highly debatable just how well the five we sent will even do-they have no serious MLB track record. We KNOW how Texiera and Mahay will do. Big difference. Besides, have you even paid attention since yesterday with various blogger’s posts on the deep nature of our farm system? Dude, we still have two catchers in the minors who are hitting .300, and another four or five shortstops coming along, all of whom have high averages and OBP. The cupboard is still well stocked. Check it out for yourself.
By Andy
July 31, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
Does anybody want my 2 tickets for tonight since Tex isnt playing ?
By Renegator
July 31, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
Fom MLB Trade Rumors:
Rangers Offered $140MM To Teixeira The Rangers made a legitimate offer to first baseman Mark Teixeira before trading him. Apparently they offered him an eight-year, $140MM package. That’s an average annual value of $17.5MM. A little light, but not a bad starting point.
But since the deal covered the 2008 season and Teixeira would’ve gotten around $14MM regardless, it was really a seven-year, $126MM offer - same as Barry Zito’s contract. $18MM a year for Teixeira sounds reasonable, but who knows how it will seem a year from now? He might be a $22MM player at that point. Teixeira will, of course, hit the open market after the 2008 season.
Not looking good to keep Tex past 2008.
By Len Barker
July 31, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
I think it was a good trade.
By TexasBrave
July 31, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
Don’t get me wrong I like getting Tex and Mahey and knew it was going to take a lot to get them, but is there anyone here that thinks 4 prospect is 2 to many for Tex and a 36 year old reliever no matter how well he is doing? I want Tex and the reliever but I think we are paying way too much. I am also willing to bet that the hold up wasn’t over medical reports but the fact that Daniel wanted more. Yea, we are not giving up much more with Beau Jones but Salty and 3 prospects should have been more than enough.
Now since Dotel is a Brave, who gets sent down? Paronto, Moylan or Yates? I think Moylan and Yates still have options but both have been studs. I dont know if Chad has options but in my book he is the lesser of the three
By Ron
July 31, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
We gave up that much and Tex still aint gonna be in Atlanta tonight!!! Wow!!! I bet Gagne will be with Boston tonight!!! Everybody knew it was a done deal with Atlanta, and he still aint here!!! Ron H Dude I know you dont actually think this Rotation is fine!!! JS dropped the ball IF he did not get at least a descent Starter!!! You actually trust JoJo or Cormier for the rest of the season!!! I sure as hell dont!!!
By Chris Stephens
July 31, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
With the addition of teixiera, all we need now is for the press box to burn down and we’re assured of a playoff run.
By Steve from OH
July 31, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Please, no Arroyo. Please, no Arroyo…
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 31, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this
Looking at the names: Corky, Chipper, Tex, Jo-Jo? Oh the humanity! The Mets will wrap up the division in two weeks tops, because we’re fielding the Little Rascals….
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this
What is the possible justification for calling up Corky Miller instead of Brayan Pena?
I am really disgusted with this Rangers situation. Not only do we have to throw in another prospect to get the deal done, but they hold off so long on approving the deal that Teixeira and Mahay will not be with the team tonight. That is bogus.
By KC
July 31, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this
whatwhat: It does not appear so.
Still… the Braves have 3 of the top 15 starters in the NL (in terms of ERA)… 2 of them being among the premier starters in the game. And Buddy Carlyle seems to be settling in as a solid #4 guy. If we can get the 5th starter situation ironed out, the rotation should be in good shape.
And when you consider that the Braves once again have one of the best bullpens in the league, to go along with what is now the best offense in the league… this rotation should do just fine.
Also, as I mentioned in a previous post… right now, it would be very possible for JS to make a post-deadline move for another starter. Because all of the teams we battling in the East and in the WC races have better records than us for the moment, they can’t block any deal we may try to pull off through the waiver wires.
By Marty
July 31, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
Some of you guys should really get a clue.
Anyone who didn’t think that Cox showed the patience of a saint with Davies, McBride, and Ledezma just plain hasn’t watched enough games. If you had been watching, you’d be just as frustrated as I am and glad to see them go.
Getting a terribly SP just for the sake of saying that we got a SP is not an improvement. We already have enough of those. Trading away potentially good players for more garbage will not help anything.
I hate to give up all those prospects, too, but you have to give quality to get quality. I’m sorry, folks, but they weren’t going to give us the best first baseman in the AL for Ledezma, Thorman, and Davies. We did well to get something we need NOW for some players who may or may not pan out. The Rangers did well to get some players who may pan out in return for a guy they don’t need (since they’ll be awful with or without him).
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
July 31, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
Ron,
To be fair to JS on this point at least, no one, NO ONE got starting that was in a pennant race got starting(Well, ok Phillies got Kyle Losch)
Plus, the braves gave up every prospect to Texas anyway! ;)
By brave day
July 31, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
The Atlanta Braves and San Diego Padres completed a three-player trade today, as the Braves acquired hard-throwing left-handed pitcher Royce Ring in exchange for left-handed pitcher Wil Ledezma and minor league left-handed pitcher Will Startup. Ring will be assigned to Richmond, the Braves’ Triple-A affiliate. Ring, 26, appeared in 27 games for Portland (AAA) in 2007, going 4-0 with a 1.99 ERA, a .188 opponents batting average and 44 strikeouts in 31.2 innings pitched. He also appeared in 15 games for the Padres this season and posted a 1-0 record with a 3.60 ERA and 17 strikeouts in 15.0 innings pitched.
By Zoldars
July 31, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
cincinnati.com reports:
** No deals
John Fay reports that manager Pete Mackanin talked to general manager Wayne Krivsky shortly after the non-waiver trade deadline (4 p.m.), and Mackanin said that Krivsky told him the Reds didn’t make any trades. The Reds did make one move. Catcher Chad Moeller was outrighted to Triple-A, and infielder Mark Bellhorn was called up.
posted by Tim Curtis at 3:22 PM**
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
What’s up with all the ignorant hate on Chad Paronto?
Dude’s sporting a 0.77 ERA this month. That follows a 1.29 ERA June.
By ck
July 31, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
Falcons need to look at culpepper….. just a thought
By Amber
July 31, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
Somehow I envision JS sneaking into KC, grabbing Dotel, and cleverly leaving Davies behind. Then he gleefully runs away, tossing a shouted, “SUCKA!!!” over his shoulder.
Anyone else think we got the best of both ends of that deal? Seriously - maybe Kyle will do better in a no pressure situation. After all, no one really expects the Royals to win… do they?
Happy Trade Deadline Day to all my fellow denizens! Let’s pop a cork and prepare to regain our rightful place in the NL East!!!
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
In that case, “Dave”, why didn’t you do your post in bold, or caps, or both? Jeez!
By Marty
July 31, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
Dave, you sound perturbed about the trades. Are you?
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
So DOB is Tex going to play of not some reports say he is some say he isn’t?
By Ron
July 31, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
KC Julio mateo should fit in perfectly with the Phills!!! Brett Myers and him will have ALOT to talk about!!!
By Steve from OH
July 31, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
No biggie, Ring’s basically a prospect himself. I like it, looks like he’s got great numbers. JS is really shaking things up here. Good to see. However, if he gives up Reyes and/or Escobar, I’d characterize it as an overall failure at the deadline.
By Hammer'd The Braves
July 31, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
Pena played earlier today in Toledo, which I guess is the reason Miller is up instead.
By Interested Observer
July 31, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
In related news, all remaining Braves minor leaguers will move up one level. The team in Danville will forfeit all their remaining games due to lack of players.
By MS
July 31, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
I would guess that Corky Miller was called up because Pena already played today for Richmond. Bring Corky up for insurance today and then bring up Pena tomorrow. DOB, does that sound right?
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
Cincinnati.com John Fay reports that manager Pete Mackanin talked to general manager Wayne Krivsky shortly after the non-waiver trade deadline (4 p.m.), and Mackanin said that Krivsky told him the Reds didn’t make any trades.
By flange1
July 31, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
Interesting stuff folks!
From the ML roster Salty is gone, Corky Miller is added Tex is added, Dotel is added, Mahay is added and Ring is added?
Who goes down?
Woodward or Thorman for Tex Maybe Yates to the DL for Dotel Ascanio for Mahay Cut Paranto for Ring or send Ring to the minors?
Thoughts?
By Marty
July 31, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
Royce Ring’s minor league numbers this year: 4-0, 1.99 ERA, 31.2 IP, 22 H, 7 ER, 0 HR, 11 BB, 44 K, .188 BAA. Last season: 2-2, 2.97 ERA, .210 BAA. Not too shabby.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
Here’s new topper for my story, with Ring deal.
Notice the last line. Something I just heard from reliable source:
The deadline-deal bonanza continued for the Braves today when they traded recently demoted starter Kyle Davies to Kansas City in exchange for Royals closer Octavio Dotel, then made a smaller deal for well-traveled left-hander Royce Ring.
The trades were finalized in the last two hours before todays 4 p.m. deadline for non-waiver trades. The Braves picked up one of the best available relievers, Dotel, one day after working out a deal for the best available hitter, Texas first baseman Mark Teixeira.
They got Ring from the Padres in exchange for lefty Wilfredo Ledezma, who was dropped from the roster and designated for assignment Sunday, and lefty prospect Will Startup, a former University of Georgia standout who was 3-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 42 appearances at Class AAA Richmond.
Ring, 26, was 4-0 with a 1.99 ERA and a .188 opponents’ average for the Padres’ Class AAA affiliate, with 44 strikeouts in 31-2/3 innings. In 15 games with San Diego, he was 1-0 with a 3.60 ERA and 17 strikeouts in 15 innings.
In Dotel, the Braves get a right-hander who posted a 3.91 ERA in 24 appearances and converted 11 of 14 save opportunities for the Royals. Hell likely serve in a setup role initially for the Braves, but Dotel could also provide a closer option if Bob Wickman struggles during the playoff drive.
The Braves might also try to trade Wickman _ trades can be done after the deadline, provided a player first clears waivers.
By KC
July 31, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
THE BRAVES ARE NOW LEGITIMATE WORLD SERIES CONTENDERS.
The Braves now have:
2 of the premier starters in the game, and 3 of the top 15 starters in the NL over all (in terms of ERA).
One of the deepest bullpens in the game.
The best offense in the league.
I’m not saying they’ll win the WS. No one can predict that. Baseball post-seasons are perhaps less predictable than that of any other major sport. But they certainly have a legitimate crack at it now.
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
Hmmm, Will Startup, eh? Somebody had interest enough in him to deal for him. I feel a little vindicated. A little.
By Steve from OH
July 31, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
Current Trade Scorecard. Let’s see… Braves Get:
Tex, Dotel, Mahay, Royce Ring.
Braves Give:
Salty, Elvis, Harrison, Feliz, Beau Jones, Ledezma (okay, he doesn’t count), Davies, Will Startup.
Thats 8 for four. I’d say that that’s a great deadline right now, but again, if JS gives away JoJo or Yunel, he needs to be taken out back and shot.
By MS
July 31, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
Marty, well said at 4:40. I agree on all three points wholeheartedly.
By Arkansas Braves fan
July 31, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
Someone please tell me that this rumor that Escobar going to the Reds for Arroyo was a just a bad joke.
By Josh
July 31, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this
Ring is also a lefty. Nice to have another one of those.
By Doyle Alexander
July 31, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this
I also like the trades.
By Interested Observer
July 31, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this
Pena and Miller were both with Richmond, if I’m not mistaken. The Braves knew this deal was going to go down yesterday. They could have had Pena there as easily as Miller.
By Bravesfanin MetsLand
July 31, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
I have just bought a very nice cigar that I will be smoking on my deck at nightfall this evening. It will be in celebration of one hell of a July for the Braves. Homeboy upstairs once again proves why he is the best GM in sports today. Boys and girls, we have the best team in the NL ( I know about our starting pitching, but we’ll overcome it)
Good job JS. Let’s go Braves. I’m so glad Edgar is still here!!!
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
I think JS has the Braves machine finely-tuned and ready to hit on all cylinders. Now, if Bobby can still get a driver’s license.
By tvsportscaster
July 31, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
I’ll shed a little light on things for those of you asking why Corky Miller instead of Pena. The reason is Pena is horrible defensively and the Braves pitchers absolutely despise throwing to him. Outside of that there is no problem with him.
By Chop Chop
July 31, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Royce Ring
Macay McBride
Compare Ring’s numbers this year with the Padres to McBride’s numbers with the Braves.
It’s almost the same guy, folks. Schuerholz had trade Ledezma (acquired in a straight-up deal for McBride) AND another good young lefty in Will Startup to grab the brass Ring. Strange business, this baseball.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
Rene-You have to figure that maybe Texiera didn’t really want to stay in Texas and realizing if he rejected the Ranger’s deal, he could then attempt to sign long term (maybe for the same $$$) with the Braves. If you had the choice of accepting a multi year contract, both for the same $$$, would you rather do it in Texas or Atlanta, where you might actually stand a chance to make it to the post season? I wouldn’t read anything into the rejection of their offer, other than the fact he wanted out of Arlington and away from that highly dysfunctional organization. Considering some of the crap talk the Rangers and those associated with them were talking this week, can’t really say I blame him.
By HP
July 31, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
The Pirates have acquired Matt Morris from the Giants for outfielder Rajai Davis and a player to be named later. Why didn’t we get him? Has JS looked his career stats. He is good #3 stater for our team.
mlbtraderumors.com
By Anders
July 31, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
This sure looks like Shuerholz is spending all the players in the prospect bank for one more shot at the brass ring. What does he care? He’s retiring in a year. Bobby Cox too. Let the next guys worry about restocking the system.
By KC
July 31, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Someone’s going to call me an idiot for saying this, but…
On paper, I don’t see that the Red Sox (now) have much of anything on the Braves.
They have 2 premier starters (Schilling, Beckett, and another very good one (The Dice man). The back end of their rotation is not particularly impressive. Sounds almost exactly like the Braves.
The Red Sox now have one of the deepest bullpens around. So do the Braves now.
The Sox are one of the best offensive teams in the game. So are the Braves now.
I think the Red Sox, Mets, and Braves are the best 3 teams in baseball now ON PAPER. “Paper” doesn’t mean anything if they don’t execute… but I really do think the Braves have one helluva roster now.
By robdawg06
July 31, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
Its finalized. Braves have traded Kyle Davies for Octavio dotel. now they need to win. No excuses now. Adding Tex and Dotel solved two holes. Will Wickman now be traded or released ?
By BravesDave
July 31, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
This Royce Ring guy pitched in the Maddux-Davies game a few weeks ago. He abused the Braves pretty severely. Pitched 2 scoreless innings in only 10 pitches. Ummm, that is not a typo…2 innings in 10 pitches. He is lefty, he throws hard. I kind of wish he was coming to the big club, instead of going to Richmond.
By shelbrad
July 31, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
Any word on the escobar trade? It cant be true!!!!!!!! HE is pure raw talent and the future of the braves.
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
ANDY Are you a Braves fan or a Teixiera Fan? Why would you want to give up tix for the game since he isn’t playing? I live almost 5 hours away and I can’t count how many times I’ve driven to a game, tailgated and drove straight home(another 5 hrs) just to watch my favorite team. No matter who is playing.
By dave
July 31, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this
Paladin…it wasn’t a point I felt needed to be stressed hence no bold or caps. My point was simply that it’s a blog not an essay. People can post however they want to. Who cares about spelling, bold, caps, italics, whatever…it’s about information sharing and opinions. I respect you or anyone else who doesn’t like to post using those methods, but I chose to do so. For example, I hate the way certain individuals try to sound all intellectual and smart yet they’re probably no smarter than anyone else, but I never complained, because in the time I write up a post complaining about it I can just move on and keep reading. The point is that the blog is about Braves baseball (mostly), so share your’re opinions however you see fit. Read the other info and move on.
By brent a.
July 31, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this
I wish Mitch Kupchak had the balls that JS has.
Also, while Dotel is no Kevin Garnett, it is interesting to see Dayton Moore play Kevin McHale to JS’s Danny Ainge.
By Hammer'd The Braves
July 31, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this
Ring is a lefty who is 4 years older than Startup, with comparable-to-lesser minor league numbers. Hardly an upgrade. This seems a strictly what-do-I-have-give-you-to-take-Ledezma deal.
By Tad
July 31, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this
Great job Braves! What a difference 2 days makes!!! I will be at the TED Wednesday to welcome the new players!
By Gil in Mechanicsville
July 31, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts I saw Will Startup pitch a couple of times last week. I would agree he is going to be a good one. Maybe a year or two away but then again I thought he would be in Atlanta before the end of this season. He reminds me so much of Mike Stanton at a similar stage in his career. He needs to develop an off speed pitch but he will be a major leaguer barring an injury.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
…reports that manager Pete Mackanin talked to general manager Wayne Krivsky shortly after the non-waiver trade deadline (4 p.m.), and Mackanin said that Krivsky told him the Reds didnt make any trades.
What MacKanin didn’t say is that Krivsky then said: “Now, get the hell out of my office”!
By Andy
July 31, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
Why did the Pirates get Matt Morris ?
By Anders
July 31, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this
Braves fans - Relax! Tex was a nice pick up but Dotel and Royce Ring? This is what you’re celebrating? Dotel blew his arm out 3 years ago and hasn’t been close to the same since. His ball is too straight. He’s got a 3.91 ERA out of the bullpen!! Royce Ring has been in numerous organizations that just give up on him. Classic lefty prospect that everyone thinks they can fix. For the Braves to have a serious shot you need Smoltz and Chipper Jones both to stay healthy. That’s asking a lot based on recent history.
By Julio
July 31, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this
Teixeira to start Wednesday according to official site.
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this
NOCHOPZONE says, “pssst Pedro is coming!”…TheJackAss thought he could hear joints squeakin’…
By robdawg06
July 31, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
It would be far worse than idiotic to trade Escobar. He is the next Braves superstar and makes almost no money compared to superstars. When Renteria is gone Escobar can step right in at SS. I’d play him in CF for Andruw right now. Tonight.
By flange1
July 31, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
HP,
Where did you see the Matt Morris trade to Pittsburgh?
Just got my tickets for tomorrow night! Can’t wait to see Tex or ah, TUSHY!
By Andy
July 31, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
FairWeather, I’m a Braves fan. I’ve been to plenty of games this year, but i got tickets yesterday specifically to see Tex play today.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
Dave…Yes sir! Now move on.
By DirtyDawg
July 31, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
Did I hear this wrong? Is Tex-era’s numbers only a fraction better than our current 1B performers?…Two more HRs…single digits more in RBIs and runs scored? Yeah, he’s hitting just under 300, but I thought this guy was supposed to be a huge improvement over what we’ve been getting. Shoot, Salty could have done that well if he’d been the everyday first-baseman.
Of course it doesn’t matter cause the deal is done and I suppose they needed this to generate some excitement, but we’ll rue the day we let Salty get away…I really believe that if the Braves were honest - even up - they’d pick Salty over McCann as the better catcher…and what’s all this stuff about Tex-era being a malcontent?
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 31, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
This Braves fan rankings for best Schuerholz trade deadline moves: 1. 1993 Crime Dog stolen from the Pads; lights the fire in Atlanta to win the West again 2. 1991 Pena closes the deal of Worst to First 3. 2007 The Great Texas-KC Train robbery 4. 2005 Under the radar adding of Farnsworth helps Baby Braves win again 5. 1992 Reardon saves division fight w/Reds (but good God, don’t bring up games 2 & 3 of World Series).
If Tex and Dotel gets us to the promised land in October, induct Schuerholz into the hall of fame immediately. Great job front office! Now, kick some a@# Bravos!!
By Anders
July 31, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
KC- I wouldn’t insult the other idiots in the world by calling you one if you really think the Braves are on par with Boston. Come on, let’s not get carried away here.
By TexasBrave
July 31, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
It looks like Ring has good numbers both at AAA and the Majors. He is probably ready now to come up and help. So is he protection in case one of the other relievers blows up or trade bait?
By bigboi
July 31, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this
I don’t know if this was posted already but Pena played earlier today. Had a great game, also I hear all of the trades that happened before the deadline haven’t been publisized yet. I heard we got Sammy Sosa just before the deadline, that was the reason for 5th player. we can plug him in left field and move willie harris to 2nd and away we go!!!!!!!!
By gotigers72
July 31, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
I originally liked the Teixeira trade, but now I don’t like any of them. Just read on mlbtraderumors.com where the Braves are offering Reyes AND Escobar for Mr.4-11 Bronson Arroyo. If that happens, someone should commit JS to a mental hospital or old folks’ home for those with Alzheimers.
1 - 5 TOP prospects for basically Teixeira whose contract is up after next year, and 36 year old Ron Mahay. You got hosed JS.
2 - 23 year old Davies for 33 year old Dotel who has an ERA near 4, yet is gonna be a closer or at least will pitch in crucial situations. I don’t disagree with trading Davies, but for Dotel? Davies will be pitching in the MLs when Dotel is being fitted for dentures.
3 - JoJo AND Escobar for Arroyo? I know this is not being listed as a done deal yet, but for JS to even consider that shows that he is going to lose the “genius” label he used to have. Not in my mind, but in the minds of others. I wouldn’t trade Escobar period, not even straight up for Arroyo. JS is nearing retirement and is emptying the farm system of all top prospects in hopes of going to a WS before he leaves the premises.
4 - Can’t comment on Startup and Ledezma for Ring because I don’t know Startup or Ring. Ledezma for a dozen new balls would be a good trade. Or even used balls for that matter. I know Startup had okay numbers, but don’t know how highly regarded a prospect he is. I am about tolook up Ring’s numbers.
If the Braves win the next 2 World Series, then I will get the crow out of the freezer and heartily chomp down on it. Otherwise, to give up SO MUCH of the future for geezers and “Rent-A-Players” just doesn’t make sense.
By HP
July 31, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
flange1: Trade for Matt Morris Click on this link
By WakeUp
July 31, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
Before you guys all plan your parade (odd for a third-place team, by the way), consider a few facts (that the majority of the homers on this blog will disregard anyway): Tex is a career .260 hitter away from Texas. Yes, two-sixty. And, there’s a reason the Mets got rid of Dotel in the past, and why he was able to be unloaded now for a starter with problems of his own: lots of straight fastballs, and an unnerving tendency to crumble in pressure situations. So, all I’m saying is: you might want to go play some games first before you crown yourselves champs.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this
So, DOB, how does the 25 man roster shake out? I find it to be a bit ridiculous that Teixiera won’t be in Atlanta tonight. The deal was basically done yesterday. Will the same go for Dotel? When will he arrive? And, I don’t see Wickman getting traded because he would never make it through waivers. Also, I can’t say that I’m dissapointed that Escobar didn’t get traded. This kid should be the starting SS next year. I was all for trading either he or Salty but not both.
By Gil in Mechanicsville
July 31, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
tvsportscaster I find that to be an odd observation. I have seen both Miller and Pena catch and seems Miller was much less capable behind the dish. Just too many balls get by him. Oh well, neither of the two are Charles Johnson.
By NoOrdinaryRabbit
July 31, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
So we turned Macay McBride and Will Startup in to Royce Ring? Not sure I see JS’s logic in that one.
By Bob
July 31, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this
DirtyDawg,
Get real. Tex missed 27 games and still has better numbers than our 1st basemen. He also is batting 297. He is also gold glover. Come on, it is fair to disagree with the trade but if you are going to start making comparisons at least do it fairly. Jeeez
By Dru
July 31, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this
DirtyDawg,
Tex’s total HRs and RBIs are lower than normal because he missed 27 games on the DL this year.
By Rose Coloured Eyeballs
July 31, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
Enjoy Tex since there’s ZERO chance of him staying in Atlanta, Mahay you could pick up anywhere on the street, make sure those few fans that actually turn out for a Braves Game park far away from the outfield wall……Even if you make the Playoffs you southern inbred morons won’t buy a ticket
By Marty
July 31, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
WakeUp, no one’s crowning ourselves the champs yet. I find a statement like that odd coming from a Mets fan, though, since most of those that I have heard from have been sure by May for the past 5 years or so that they would be on top at the end of the season.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
DirtyDawg, Tex missed 27 games due to injury earlier in the year. That is the reason for the “similar” numbers. Tex is a huge upgrade over what we currently have at 1B and anyone who doesn’t see that apparently has no clue what real baseball talent is.
By Anders
July 31, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
Hey Paladin - Sounds like your Braves picked up to Met throw away trolls today - Good luck with sloppy seconds!
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
Hammer’d the Braves Any deal that gets rid of Ledezma is a good deal. As a Dawg I hate to see Startup go, but as I told someone else: This is baseball; it’s not puppy love.
I have read a lot today about this and that player’s “track record”. Well, JS has a pretty good track record of his own. And we can beech n’ complain all we want but he’s the one making the decisions. And until all of this irons out(and it may take a season or two)I say Put our trust in God, ‘cause our @$$es belong to JS. And I think he will take us to the promised land.
By TexasBrave
July 31, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
One other thought on Royce Ring since DOB said that JS is shopping Wicky. Ring could be waiting down at AAA until JS can trade Big Bob for a starter.
Just a thought! ;)
By BG
July 31, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
Dirty Dawg —
Comparing Tex with ATL’s overall 1B production isn’t quite fair since Tex missed a chunk of games (about 25 or so) with a quad stain. So, HR & RBI totals are skewed. Avg, OBP, SLG are better comparisons — and Tex is a big improvement.
One slight worry: Tex has not been hitting terribly well (by the standards of his career) since coming off the DL after the All-star game. He only has 1 HR & 8 RBI since the break (avg = .281 & slg = .422).
By Roll Tide
July 31, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
DOB, Thanks for all you do keeping us up to date on all the Braves rumors.
Do you think that the Braves might try and add Thorman to the Wickman package for a trade somewhere? Also, will Ring be an immediate fixture in the bullpen, or will he be sent to the minors first?
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
Not so sure about this re-signing Tex unless he just wanted to be traded. Rangers Offered $140MM To Teixeira The Rangers made a legitimate offer to first baseman Mark Teixeira before trading him. Apparently they offered him an eight-year, $140MM package. That’s an average annual value of $17.5MM. A little light, but not a bad starting point.
But since the deal covered the 2008 season and Teixeira would’ve gotten around $14MM regardless, it was really a seven-year, $126MM offer - same as Barry Zito’s contract. $18MM a year for Teixeira sounds reasonable, but who knows how it will seem a year from now? He might be a $22MM player at that point. Teixeira will, of course, hit the open market after the 2008 season.
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
NO CHOP ZONE… psst, Pedro had a 6.45 ERA against Atlanta in 2006.
Oh, and need I mention that we went 6-3 against ya the first half of the season before we added mark Teixeira and Octavio Dotel?
Let me know when you upgrade your team enough to concern us, okay?
I got three of your 4 1/2 games already in another 6-3 run against the Mets in our last 9 games.
By flange1
July 31, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
HP,
Thanks for the link.
That deal makes no sense for the Pirates! I guess it is a salary dump for the Giants? I don’t know! That deal and the Wheeler for Wiggenton deal are the 2 real head scratchers for me anyway..
Bigboi, where are you hearing this Sosa crapola? He has NEVER been mentioned to the Braves in anything that I have seen except for your posts on this blog. Can you give us a link?
Anders, WOW you sure are smart! Most Mets fans on this blog are real smart too! be careful that Lew and Paladin don’t cross you and stay away from the SJA, he will clean your clock in about 3 sentences…….
By RIP SaltyWoody
July 31, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
DOB No need for apologies. I just thought it would be sweet if that guy really had rung up 70 k’s in 5 1/3 innings. Figured it was a formatting issue. Good thing it didn’t change his name to Brian McCann or something.
What would you say the likelihood of Wickman still being traded is? I mean, with the moves the Braves have just made, they sure as heck have a bevvy of guys in the bullpen now.
Certainly could afford to send Wickie elsewhere if it meant getting a starter back.
Would he really clear waivers?
By Lew
July 31, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
BigBoi-We didn’t get Sosa. Nobody wanted him. Plug Harris in at second? Instead of Johnson or Escobar? Dude, did you get enough sleep last night? You’re damn well not thinking straight if you think any of that makes a bit of sense.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
KC If you haven’t figured it out for yourself: Anders is a Mut troll.
By WakeUp
July 31, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
Marty - Honestly, this isn’t trash talk—I’m just saying that there’s a tendency on this blog to exaggerate incredibly. Yes, Tex is a good, solid player, and he’s miles better than what you had a first base. But listening to this blog, you’d think he was Babe Ruth. He’s not—he can be pitched to, especially away from Arlington. And Dotel is by no means a lights-out pitcher, and he does have a fragile arm/psyche. Two good pickups with high potential, but nowhere near enough to lock down the division or wild card.
By GSU-Lee
July 31, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
Anders, What? Are you serious? You guys are already scared and you know it. we got the talent to beat you guys, and yoiu guys got Joe Bla…no…oh but you did get Jon Gar…no not that one either…ah but at least you got Luis castillo, yet another latino for Minaya’s Los Mets. Don’t be surpised when you guys are ina battle for the wild card after we sail passed you.
By southern inbred moron
July 31, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
Rose Coloured Eyeballs Your just jealous because your sister is ugly even when you have your beer goggles on.
By The Grinch
July 31, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
Ok, I’m back again. Y’all, it’s finally starting to truly settle in now the very, very most important thing about all this…No more Kyle Freakin’ Davies!!!! Oh my GOD what a fantastic feeling; they’re finally all gone! Reitsma, Remmlinger, Kolb, Redman, Sosa and now Davies! No more Bobby pets that have no business pitching above a local girl’s softball team to blow big games for us! If we can just get someone to take Orr and Woodward…
By robdawg06
July 31, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t trade Yunel Escobar for 3 Bronson Arroyo’s ! Just because he dominated us last time we played them isn’t a reason to get him. You have to look at his overall performances this year. He’s below average. You heard it right here. Escobar will be another Arod type 5 - tool player barring injury.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
If you feel the ground shaking….its coming from NY were the MUTS fans are trembling in fear!!!!!
You know that creepy feeling you get when you walk up a long darkend stairway at night and it feels like someone is behind you?…..well….
THE METS DO NOW!!!!!!!!!!
By Bob, Journalist
July 31, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
In 24 appearances, Dotel is 11-3 in save opportunities, 3.91 ERA and .264 AVG … while there are those who will adjust for DH, it shouldn’t be that much difference for top relievers and closers since in the NL, pinch hitters are typically used instead of pitchers when such folks are pitching … he ain’t what he once was but he still has about a 3 to 1 strikeout/walk ratio.
What was the reason for there being 5 of our guys traded to Texas instead of 4?
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
DOB what is the lineup?
By Marty
July 31, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
How can anyone be unhappy with getting rid of a guy with a 6.15 ERA in 200 career innings? Of course I speak of Davies, and to me, the best part of that trade was that I will never again have to see Kyle start the bottom of the first with a 3+ run lead by walking the first two batters and going 3-0 on the next guy.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
Oh, I forgot KC. Like most trolls, he is desperate to be talked to.
Lew Buddy, I know you have done yeoman-type duty today, but could you take care of the trolls while I take my dinner break? Not much out there to work up a sweat over. Just Anders.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
Dissapointing not getting Arroyo or somebody to start!!! I cant believe some here are upset about giving up Escobar, I think he will be good,BUT JS has traded away ALOT of good young talent to win now, and we do still have Renteria here!!! Just say we dont get Arroyo or a good starter and John Smoltz would be good to start 2 games in a 7 game series!!! Just say we get to the World Series here is how it would look: Game 1- Smoltz, Game 2- Hudson, Game 3- James, Game 4- Carlyle, Game 5- Smoltz, Game 6- Hudson, Game 7 James!!! Even if we had to give up Escobar, would it not look better IF we had Arroyo!!! Here it is IF we had Arroyo: Game 1- Smoltz, Game 2- Hudson, Game 3- Arroyo, Game 4- James, Game 5- Smoltz, Game 6- Hudson, Game 7- Arroyo!!! And remember that Arroyo pitched for the Red Sox back in 2004 when they won the World Series!!! I cant believe some love the Tex deal and hate this deal!!! Some of yall make me sick!!! I would MUCH rather have Arroyo in Game 7 than James!!! Arroyo has a Championship ring on his finger, James aint got s** on his finger!!! It is vital for us to get a Starter, and JS dropped the DAMN ball!!! Yeah we may be able to get a guy off waivers, but SOOOO many teams block other guys, just to be blocking them!!! JS I will be glad when your sorry a* retires IF you dont get us a good Starter!!! Starting Pitching was a BIGGER need than 1st Base!!! Hope you enjoy Trying to sign Tex in 2009 JS, OH wait you probably aint gonna be here to try to sign him!!! Great JS, JUST FREAKIN GREAT!!!
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this
This is absolutely hilarious—all the Metsuckers are here now hiding behind various lame@$$ cognomens, while trying to discount the trades made by the Braves today, and to snoop for info…just like ol’ “WakeUp” there…
WakeUp—how about waiting ‘till your team wins 14 straight division titles before you come in here runnin’ your piehole about what the Braves need to do to win…
Word on the street has it that the Mets are contemplating shaving their heads, and their @$$e$ again…
By Anders
July 31, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
Paladin - I lost all respect for you turning me in to KC. Did you read his blog? The Braves are on par with the Red Sox? Dude, you need to move away from guys like that.Kills your rep, assuming you have one.
Yesterday I was getting ripped for coming down on Wickman- Today Chop Nation wants The Grand Wizard of The Ted to trade him. Make up your mind folks! I’m sure JS will talk the Twins into taking Fatman for Santana. You guys are starting to sound as dillusional as yankee fans.
By Marty
July 31, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this
Rose Coloured Eyeballs, unless you’re British, you should probably learn how to spell “colored.” Oh, and you should shut the hell up.
By Chris
July 31, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this
If 1 more person talks about moving Escobar to CF, the firing squad needs to be brought out. Immediately.
Maybe we could try McCann at 2nd while we’re at it…
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this
For the Mets fans who are all of a sudden “gracing” us with their presence I want to say this. If Dotel is such garbage then why were the Mets trying to get him? If the Mets are so confident about their team, they why were they trying to get Carlos Silva and Ken Griffey? And, you guys do realize that Pedro isn’t scheduled to be back with the big team until the end of August. Do you guys honestly feel confidence in Oliver Perez and Jorge Sosa? Do you really think El Duque can hold up and not make yet another trip to the DL?
I’m not saying the Braves will win the East but you guys know that our chances just got a lot better.
By BravesFanInColorado
July 31, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this
Wakeup…might want to check your facts on Tex before posting he has a career .260 average. Besides having a .283 career average, his other career numbers are .368 OBP, .533 SLG and .901 OPS.
He brings much more to the table than Thorman or Franco, even though Franco was playing fairly well since he came back.
Nobody is crowning the Braves champs. There are many games to be played, and who knows what will happen.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Which I am not saying I want Escobar to be traded for Arroyo, but since JS traded away alot for three relievers, and a 1st baseman he might as well trade for A Good Starter since he is trying to go for it all!!! Makes NO sense WHATSOEVER that he did not get a trade done for a Good Starter!!! And Arroyo is a Good Starter!!! He is MUCH better than what his stats say he is!!!
By Roll Tide
July 31, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Why are people upset about not getting Arroyo. While I am happy that JS made the trades he made, I am glad that Escobar was not traded. Arroyo is not having a great year, plus here soon I think that Jo-Jo will turn it around. Smoltz, Hudson, and James are consistent, and Carlyle has shown that he can go the distance during games.
Also, does anyone think that Dotel might start a few games this year. He started his career with a few starts. Just an idea to ponder.
By Marty
July 31, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
WakeUp — You’re definitely right that the Braves still have to get off their butts and start winning some games. While Teixeira and Dotel should help them do that, the team frankly already good enough to win a lot more games than it has so far. I think that the most valuable thing about these trades may be that it signals, both to the fans AND the players themselves, that management is behind them and that they really have a shot. Maybe with a little more of that old swagger back, the Braves will start winning the games they have been, quite simply, finding a way to lose so far this year.
By WakeUp
July 31, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
SJA - 14 division titles….
and how many World Series again? And thanks for letting me know that any attempt at earnest baseball discussion here is seen as “running your piehole” (way to mix those metaphors, by the way). My advice for you—take the “Southern” out of your title. You’re a jackass that knows no boundaries.
By Kieran, Long Island Brave Fan
July 31, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
I would imagine the Braves didnt get morris because of Financial Constrainnts he’s owed 10 million next year and the Pirates picked up the entire contract. Plus he’s average at best, not a guy you want to commit to financially, especially when you have to possibly begin discussions on long term deals with Tex and Andruw very soon.
I’m not Sold on Dotel. He’s now on hes 6th team and he hasn’t had any sustained success as a closer. Davies showed glimses of being a quality major league pitcher, the dude is only 24!
Royce ring was a nice subtle move, Walks are a serious concern with the once top prospect traded to the Mets for Robby Alomar. It should take some pressure off of Mahay, whose career numbers are NOT good. take a look on www.baseball-reference.com
By Lew
July 31, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
Hey all you Mets’ Trolls-Guess what? The Mets won’t win the division today. They won’t win it tomorrow, either. Or the day after, either and in reality, not at all. Just who are you trying to convince with your derogatory proclamations of the Braves hopelessness? You really must be scared witless with the Braves additions and your loss of “Gee, I can’t hit a curveball” Beltran. Keep coming over and trying to convince us. Sure, we’ll listen, won’t we? If you were really that confident, you’d be on a Mets’ blog offering each other oral sex in your excitement over your impending “two in a row” (exactly one seventh of OUR streak). Go away to your own bridge Little Trolls. You’re on a fruitless quest here.
By Anders
July 31, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this
Paladin - I’m starting to think you really do like me. You keep telling all your friends about me.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
METS fans are LOSERS
You know how I know?….
Only a LOSER braggs about winning ONCE out of 18 years!!!!!!
Seriously, One Division title in 18 years and you guys constantly knock Braves and their fans who won an UNPRECEDENTED 14 Straight!
And about to be 15 out of 16!
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
Bob, Journalist—the fifth man was included in the Teixeira deal as added assurance because Texas was concerned about Harrison’s shoulder…
By GermanBravesFan
July 31, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
WOW… I am back in the homeland and just read everything about the two trades. Way to go JS!!!!
DOB: one question, though… will the Braves even have a remote chance now to re-sign Andruw after this year, or will Texeira’s possible raise through arbitration make it impossible? Any rumors that Liberty Media may raise payroll enough to keep both, Texeira AND Andruw? How great would that be???
By WakeUp
July 31, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
Marty - thanks for the serious answer. I agree with a lot of what you have to say in terms of sending a signal to your team, and that’s worth a lot. I think the other side of the coin is that, for the Mets fans, a lot of us are glad to see that we didn’t ship away the future in players like Milledge, Humbrey, F. Martinez, and others for mediocre talent in return. Would we have liked a big deal? Sure—but not at the expense of gutting the farm, and especially for the talent that was available.
By The Blogger formerly known as Saltywoody
July 31, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this
VERY IMPORTANT
We need nicknames for our new stud relievers.
What the heck will Bobby do with “Octavio Dotel?” Octagon? Dotey?
And what the heck will he call Royce Ring? Roycey? Royce-Cakes? Ringmaster? Ring Finger? Ringy?
We need answers on this stuff fast.
Why aren’t our loyal reporters covering the important stuff? DOB/Bowman/Carrol are all covering vital issues like when Tex will play first and who will be called up? Baloney. We need to know the nicknames Bobby has in mind STAT.
:)
P.S. Will “Tex” stay “Tex?” Or will it be “Texy?”
PPS WE GOT TEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, I love being able to say that.
By MetsFan
July 31, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this
LEW: thanks for just conceding that we’re about to win our 2nd division title in a row. That meant a lot to us.
By Anders
July 31, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this
Chase - Umm how should I say this? Oh yeah, nobody cares!
By Chase
July 31, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this
HEY WakeUP
How many WOrld Series Titles does your pathetic team have in the past 18 years?
ZERO!!!!!!!!!
Typical MUTS fan grasping at straws to try and criticize the BRAVES.
The fact is…Success breeds ENVY…and MUTS’ fans ENVY the BRAVES and their fans!
By robdawg06
July 31, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
Chris, I only said move Escobar to the OF in place of Andruw because why would you want a .300 hitter like Escobar on the bench and a .200 hitter like Andruw starting ? Andruw needs to shape up fast or sit on the bench where his numbers show he belongs.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
Ron, it makes NO SENSE that he didn’t trade for a good starter, huh? Well, how ‘bout the fact that only ONE good starter was even traded, and that’s Matt Morris, not exactly a Cy Young winner.
So with all the teams looking for pitching and only one starter traded, the Braves should have, what, held a gun to someone’s head and made them trade Arroyo?
Trade Escobar for him? Are you nuts? Seriously. Why not just trade Escobar AND Lillibridge for a starter and not worry about shortstop for the coming five years?
Wow, can’t believe you’re actually complaining. All the moves they made, and you’re still complaining.
By The Blogger formerly known as Saltywoody
July 31, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this
NOTE ON ROYCE RING As Kieran just pointed out, I think the Royce Ring move was a VERY nice, subtle move.
The guy hasn’t been amazing or anything…but we weren’t going to get anything for Ledezma and he probably wouldn’t have cleared waivers so we could option him.
Ring’s only 26 and a southpaw and throws pretty hard (I think I read that somewhere). If he can take a little pressure off Mahay and develop over the next year or two, this is a great move. Way better than having nothing to show for Ledezma.
By Anders
July 31, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this
Hey Lew and Paladin - You guys still live on Brokeback Mountain? Well I’m off to watch my first place Mets. Maybe I’ll watch a video Of my NY Rangers slapping those Thrashers around just to get warmed up - Peace out Hotlanta!
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this
WakeUp—why don’t you try taking the “Southern” out of my title?…you wouldn’t be the first little Pi$$ant that made that mistake…
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
Wakeup… how’d the Mets do in the playoffs last year?
By Dave
July 31, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
Will Startup gone? Chad Paronto demoted? For Royce Ring??? Why? Why??? Do Dotel and Teixeira mean we can get away with doing things this stupid??? And where is Brayan Pena?
By Eric from MO
July 31, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this
I have been at work today and just started reading the posts. Are you people crazy? Look I too would of liked Arroyo but we got the best hitter and 2 of the best relievers that got traded. You cant have everything. Now that we traded Andrus we have to keep Escobar because after next season Renteria will be gone and we will need a shortstop.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this
LEW, PALADIN, SJA, I’m with you guys
Doesn’t it get old having to fight off these MUTS TROLLS.
Like I said earlier, trying to explain baseball rationally to them is like trying to explain colors to a person who was born blind and deaf!
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this
I feel like the spoiled kid at Christmas…all of the excitement and anticipation…first present opened…boom - exactly what you always wanted…2nd gift…great present…and then it is over…
I still like the moves…am a little surprsed we gave up 5 players without getting Wilson…
I really thought JS would land a starter of some sort even if not a Garland type…someone that eat some innings at the back-end…jo-jo will be good…just not this year while trying to win a pennant…
But, all in all…a great Chrstmas.
Regards,
Jason
By Marty
July 31, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this
WakeUp - Frankly, Teixeira was really the only special talent available this time around. What people keep forgetting is that we have him not just for one playoff run, but two. Injuries are always a concern, but barring trades, next year we will still have Smoltz, Hudson, Chipper, McCann, Francoeur, Diaz, Johnson, Renteria, Soriano, Gonzalez, and a few others…and now Teixeira. Sure, it’s great to get him for the stretch run this year, but it makes next year look a lot more promising, too, even if we don’t re-sign Andruw.
By StingerSplash
July 31, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this
And when you’re watching the baseball trade deadline show on ESPN at Hooters and they PA is playing some Elvis (“Veronica,” by the Costello variety of Elvis - a great, great song), yeah, it might be the start to a good day. Do you suppose that waiting hands on eyes Veronica has gone to hide?
By Dr. R
July 31, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
OK, a few answers to the baseball impaired. There weren’t any good starters out there to be had, so wish all you want; few teams are loaded with pitching and none of them are selling. Arroyo is so-so, actually just as good as his stats indicate (as with everyone). No, Dotel is not a starter, but anyone named Roll Tide is thinking about children’s football in September and not baseball, no I let it go. The key to trading prospects is knowing which ones to keep. I think that’s why Escobar is staying put, but I may be wrong. As for Kyle Davies, the fact that Bobby gave him all of five hitters in his last start tells you all you need to know. He’s timid. If you got great stuff, throw strikes; if not, go find work.
By Chris
July 31, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
No quality starting pitchers went anywhere before the deadline, so people should stop complaining about the Braves not getting one. I’m sure JS tried, but sometimes they just aren’t available.
Face it: we had 2 hot commodities that could be flipped in Salty and Escobar. Salty brought us Tex, and if anyone thinks it’s a good idea to trade Escobar for the likes of Arroyo or Morris, you should have your head examined.
After Edgar’s gone (likely after ‘08), Escobar will be the Braves’ SS for the next 5-10 years.
Some people just want to find fault in JS when there really is none. Grow up.
By robdawg06
July 31, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this
You tell him DOB. Anyone who would suggest trading a top prospect for a sub .500 pitcher on a sorry team (Reds) is ignant (ignorant).
By Marty
July 31, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this
Hey, could we not drive one of the very few people with a brain out of here? So he’s not a Braves fan…as long as he has something intelligent to say, I’d love for him to stay. It sure as hell beats reading 50 comments a day from so-called fans bashing Bobby Cox and JS for doing smart things or not doing stupid ones…
By Wolfpack Man
July 31, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this
I know it has been discussed, but some interesting roster moves must follow the trades. I am a little surprised that Thorman was not traded. I can’t imagine that they will keep 2 bench players that ONLY play 1B.
Also, a little curious on the Miller promotion instead of Pena. Not sure if Pena is out of options or not and maybe the Braves thought that they may get a backup in a trade and then could lose Pena because of 1 game. Don’t understand that right now.
My best guess for the bench is as follows: 1.Julio 2.Harris/Diaz 3.Miller(or whoever ends up as backup C) 4.Escobar/KJ 5.Woodward
I just can’t see keeping 3 1B men.
Bullpen: 1.Wickman 2.Soriano 3.Dotel 4.Mahay 5.Moylan 6.Paronto 7.Villarreal
Yates to the DL
Any thoughts?
By BravesFanInRockies
July 31, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
bigoi’s had a mancrush on Sosa for weeks.
By gotigers72
July 31, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this
Why in he** did the Braves bring up Corky “Mr. Passed Ball” Miller instead of Brayan Pena? Pena is hitting .313, Miller is hitting .210. FREAKIN’ .210!! Miller also has a powerful .320 slugging % while Pena’s is .421.
Pena did okay while he was up before. In fact, he would have probably been back when he came off the DL [got hit in the head by a bat]if Salty had not been on fire when he first came up. What has Pena done to JS or BC to give them reason to call up Corky Freakin’ .210 Miller instead of him? Just what the Braves need, another hitter hitting below .215. Oh wait, that’s right, our powerful cleanup hitter is hitting .216.
I still can’t believe JS got hosed by that rookie GM of the Rangers. But he did. Check that trade out 5 years from now.
By KC
July 31, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this
DOB: A couple of the guys on 680-am here in Atlanta were complaining about the fact that Tex isn’t here tonight. They contend that while the deal wasnt consummated until today it was completed yesterday, and Tex should have been on a plane.
What do you think? Is it customary to wait for a deal we all know has already happened to be completed on paper before hopping a plane?
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this
These ignorant@$$ Metsuckers are worse than a damn roach infestation—little ba$tards are crawling around everywhere, and reproducing like jackrabbits…but if I had my choice…I would have to go with the roaches…they’re much less irritating…and cleaner…
Anders and WakeUp—not sure which of you is pitching, or which is catching…but whoever is playing the part of pitcher tonight…please have the courtesy to give the other a “reach around”!…I’m sure both of you intelligent ba$tards know exactly what that means!…
By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist
July 31, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this
doty, ringy, tushy, doty, ringy, tushy, someone please disable the microphone in the dugout.
By HP
July 31, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
If Mark Teixeria is not sign with Braves for long term than this trade will look like the worst trade that JS made in Braves history. I don’t care if he performs well within two years he stays with us, we need to sign him for long term. With that said, Andruw Jones will only stay with the Braves for next season if he signs a one-year deal with team to boost his money value up to get a big contract after next season. In that case, he will no longer be with Braves after 2008 season and Braves will need a solid bat in clean-up spot. So it is important for JS to sign Teixeria for long term. I think he will sign him for long term because he knows how bad this trade will look after two years if he didn’t sign him considering the players he gave up to get Teixeria.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
DOB Are you nuts? JS done traded a whole slew of players why not Escobar? And I did not JUST say Arroyo!!! I said Arroyo, Silva(and yes he IS an upgrade to this rotation), Cliff Lee(I know he was demoted to AAA, but he is really good), Byrd, Somebody!!! I can understand not going after Morris, because of his contract, but come on dude you honestly think this team can win the World Series without another solid starter? Anyone of those guys would slot in as our #4 starter!!! We might make the playoffs without another starter, BUT we aint gonna win jack sh!t without another starter!!! And if you are still the beat writer for the Braves in 2009 and IF we dont win the World Series OR if we dont resign Tex We will see IF you STILL think this is a good move WITHOUT A QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we do win a World Series with Tex OR can resign him then fine I will eat ALOT and I mean ALOT of CROW!!! I know you cant MAKE a team trade nobody, but we could have done something!!! Those Trades dont make ANY sense at all if we dont add a starter!!! I would have rather had a descent Starter, a Lefty reliever and a descent 1st Baseman than what JS actually did!!! But this is a Blog and these are my opinions!!! You can think I am nuts, but also I can think YOU are nuts!!! It goes both ways dude!!! I would have rather had a starter than Dotel!!!
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Given what was available, in hindsight, you’d have to say that John Schuerholz freakin’ cleaned up.
He addressed the team’s two biggest needs at 1B and the bullpen, and did so in major ways.
To those griping about us not getting a starter, please pay attention to the fact that the only starter traded was a weak Matt Morris. We got guys who can do as well - probably better than him, on our staff, already.
With Smoltz, Hudson, James and Carlyle, we have four very capable starters, already. With Jo Jo Reyes and a steadily rehabbing Lance Cormier, plus Oscar Villareal in the ‘pen, I think we have enough options.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
Mets Fan-If that’s what you got out of my post then it just reinforces what I’ve always known-Y’all are a bunch of illiterate Morons. I never said you would win. I said IF you were so confident, you’d be on the Mets’ blog congratulating yourselves on your IMPENDING division win. Your presence here just affirms that y’all are so scared of the Braves now, that you’re trying to convince US that we don’t stand a chance. How laughable you are Little Troll. Laughable and flipping stupid. Who you gonna pick up to replace “Gee, I just Peed my Pants and can’t run or Hit” Beltran? How come you didn’t pick up anyone except a replacement for your broken legged 2B? Where are those Millions of $$$$ we keep hearing you have? Oh, I forgot-Pedro’s coming back. Good luck on that. WE are so scared. Whatever. Stupid Troll.
By KC
July 31, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this
Who’s on their way out? Thorman or Woodward?
I’m afraid I already know the answer. I wish it would be Woodward, but it won’t be.
Anders: Hey bro, you’ll be happy to know that I still think the Mets have the best roster in baseball. I really do. I think they’ve been underacheiving. I didn’t feel that way at the beginning of the season, but with the way Perez, Maine, and El Duque have been pitching… if Pedro comes back healthy to go with Glavine and those 3 guys, you’ll have the best rotation in the game.
I think the Mets have the best roster in baseball, followed closely by the Red Sox, and now the Braves.
But please tell me why the Red Sox roster is so much better than Atlanta’s. I’d like to hear your explanation.
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this
Ahhhh…the Esteemed Ugandan is back…
By Lew
July 31, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this
Typical Mets’ Troll response-Are you gay? Damn, son, this isn’t a dating site, You really need to check somewhere else for your meat. Like a Mets’ blog.
By Stuart
July 31, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this
Great day to be a Braves fan. (It is also a great day to be a Celtics fan, but that is beside the point.)
Dotel is a great move. I wish Kyle well, I hope he becomes a star, but I dont feel it was going to happen in the ATL. Dotel is a good closer, but he has always been a GREAT setup man. He will get to be used in the role that suits him best. With the emergence of Moylan, the braves can shorten the game to 6 innings or so, which was how this team was built. The big thing about the bully is the guys they added had less tan 90 innings, pitched between them and should have fresh arms, and that alone helps this pen. Plus two are lefties.
Tex is a great move. Salty still has work to be done. He is not the threat he should be from the left side. There is no reason to think the braves got hosed. However, alot of people probably think we did, but remember people tend to overvalue ‘upside’ and potential. I love to get production over potential. Salaries in MLB are outrageous right now, so I also believe the market in baseball salaries is due for a correction and I think it may take less than what we think (16-17 mil per) to get Tex long term. Plus it is great to see the braves get pub on ESPN.
One final point, since we got Dotel and Tex, we dont have to face them later. We kept them out of our competions hands. I just wish my hotel has SportSouth, because I am dying to watch the game.
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this
Time to Kick the Tires and Light The PRESSBOX kids. Big Tex ain’t in the Ted, but he’s on his way. Gotta think there’s just a bit of a bounce in the Braves players’ step tonight. Let’s see that translate to a W.
By S T I N K Y
July 31, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this
Do Dunces reach around each other, grasping at straws?
By KC
July 31, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this
Stop bashing Mets fans!!! They’re scared. It’s understandable. Lew and others… you need to cut these guys some slack. When people are frightened, they sometimes lash out.
By Ron Roberts
July 31, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this
Oh, and for the Mets’ faithful, I think this is worth pointing out.
Saw this on SI.com/s FanNation site…
Martinez announced he will throw 45 pitches Wednesday night for the Mets Class A affiliate. Major league rules dictate that will mark the beginning of a 30-day window for the Mets to promote Martinez back to the big leagues if he is to remain eligible to pitch for the club again this season.
So it’s now or never for his rehab assignment. If he doesn’t ocme back from this one, looks like he’d be out for the entire season.
By BravesFanInRockies
July 31, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
Ron, all those exclamation points sure did convince me.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this
I’m back. And once again we find the best way to get rid of trolls is to ignore them. They are such masochistic little b******* that kickin’ them is what they want.
By TexasBrave
July 31, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this
Ok I have to get something off my chest so I can just let it go and enjoy all of the Christmas in July presents JS just got us.
Daniels getting four prospects instead of three is just crazy. Ok Daniels concern that Harrison’s shoulder won’t hold up is valid. But instead of giving him another prospect in addition to Matt why didn’t JS just take Harrison back and replace him with another one? I mean it is kind of like my daughter asking for money to buy something but she is not sure how much it is. She asks for fifty but then asks for forty more just in case it is not enough, and oh by the way she gets to keep the extra forty. Come on who in their right mind does that?
Still have to say though - Good job to JS!!! I still hope we can pick up a starter, but even if we don’t it should be an interesting last couple of months. GO BRAVES!!!
By Chris
July 31, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
Why all the doom and gloom concerning Tex’s contract? People saying that if we don’t sign him long-term, this is “the worst trade in Braves history.” Puh-leeze.
Do you people want to win today? Do you want to go to the playoffs and possibly a World Series?
Well, guess what: that wasn’t happening with the team we had. Nobody’s winning the WS will Thorman/Methusela at 1B.
This gives us a 2-year window, and I like our chances of signing Tex more than any other team’s. Remember, he was looking for property in Atlanta earlier in the year, and he told Danny Hall (Tech coach) that he’d love to play for the Braves.
Just relax. We have some exciting baseball ahead of us, this year, next, and probably long thereafter. Just sit back and enjoy it.
By Stephen
July 31, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this
Not in the lineup tonight : /
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this
Hey KC, I am getting a little suspicious of you. I think we may have to order up a blood test and a DNA check on you.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this
Salty is on the Rangers 25 man roster how did that happen?
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this
Salty is on the Rangers 25 man roster how did that happen?
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
No…Dunces go after it from the front…just ask NO CHOP…
By NEWS FLASH
July 31, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
Paladin is back. This is not a drill. Paladin is back. Remain calm. Make no sudden movements. Do not make direct eye contact. Paladin is back.
By Alex
July 31, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this
Anders, right after you watch that Rangers vs Trashers series, I guess you’ll whip out your tapes/dvd’s of the Rangers vs Sabres, right? Oh my bat, your NY Rags lost that one, too bad! Now back to your mother’s basement it is!
On a side note, shouldn’t you NY MUTS fans be concerned about the Brewers and the Cubs right now? You’ve got a tough trip going, at best you will be 3-3, at best!
Last but not least…The NL East is not decided yet! Don’t count on your second divsion title in a row until you have defeated the Phillies and the Braves come September!
By Lee
July 31, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this
DOB, have you talked to, or are you trying to Talk to Tex? Just curious on his feelings about coming here. Dotel to for that matter, heard he wanted to stay in K.C.
By Jerry
July 31, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this
Great deal for the present, but what about the future? 5 players is a lot to give up.
By Caleb
July 31, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this
Not only did the Braves get all these guys in trades, but the phillies just placed two of their best young outfielders on the DL, Victorino and Bourn. They’ll be without those two for 2 weeks and chase utley for at least 3 weeks.
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this
I thought, the other day, when we were having our serious discussion about identity-theft, someone(a prominent denizen, as I remember)said the only individual ever banned from this blog was SXXXXy. If so, I invite your’s—and the AJC’s—attention to the 6:51 post.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this
METS just placed BELTRAN on the DL with an abdominal tear
And while he’s out they’ve got 6 games at the Brewers and Cubs and 3 with the Braves and the Phillies!
Your house of cards may be crumbling MUT TROLLS!
By HP
July 31, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this
Can someone please tell me how in the world Salty is alrady in Cleveland as a Texas Bench Player for today and we don’t even have Mark Tiexeria in Atlanta yet? This is ridiculous.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this
BravesFanInRockies I was hoping that it would!!! LOL!!!
No matter what I am still gonna root for this team and I think we are improved no question about that!!! We will see what happens though, we do have a Much better chance at making the playoffs with what JS did!!! But we will see what happens in the playoffs!!!
By Stuart
July 31, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this
Texas Brave, you have a point. However, if Harrison has a bad shoulder, then why would we want him?
To get Tex, Dotel and two lefties the braves gave up: 1. SP with the WORST E.R.A. among active pitchers with enough starts to qualify.
A supposed “slick fielding” A ball SS who made 25 errors.
One lefty we would have lost on waivers anyway.
A headcase minor league pitcher who had never won big in the minors and had an iffy shoulder.
Two pichers I had never heard of.
A lefty former college closer, who was terrible in his senior year.
A one sided switch hitting catcher who was blocked by a 2 time all star.
BTW, I do have to get this off my chest:
WHY IN THE HELL DO THE BRAVES NOT HAVE A PRIVAT JET. GEE WHIZ, COLLEGES HAVE THEM, WHY DONT THE BRAVES. IF I SPENT THAT MUCH ON TEX, I WOULD HAVE A PLANE WAITING ON HIM SO I COULD GET HIM HERE ASAP.
Sorry, I was yelling at my screen.
Go Braves!!!!
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this
News Flash I also do not like loud, and incoherent noise. Shut up.
By Serge
July 31, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this
Funny Salty is gonna be playing 1B for the Rangers. Some catcher.
On winning it now. The Braves would have not won 14 division titles with this thinking. Imagine if we had dealt Justice, Klyesko, Jones,Furcal,Giles,Millwood when they were in the minors. Gotta run the company line i guess.
By s t i n k y
July 31, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this
Could you please keep it down, Stuart. I can’t hear Joe and Jon.
By Tomahawkin
July 31, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this
Can’t believe we dealt like that, Schuerholtz was straight Ballin…I’m getting reminisicant of 1993…I feel so good about this pennant race, I’m gonna go grab me a tall cold one…
Aight you guys what happens next year…when hampton gets back, anyone wanna chime in…?
By HP
July 31, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this
Just heard on Braves Radio that Mark Tiexeria will be in Atlanta around 9:30 P.M. and Chad Paronto has been optioned to Richmond to make room for him.
By Iowa Brave
July 31, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this
Wow, can’t believe that JS got such a good player for Ledezma. Making a trade for someone that you have to get rid of anyway is hard enough, getting value for him is amazing. The next time u want to complain about JS, remember this trade.
By Wolfpack Man
July 31, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this
Boy did JS look exhausted on his interview with Katie Templeton. I guess that is to be expected.
When she asked about a starting pitcher it appeared to me that he seemed a little frustrated without being able to aquire one.
You have got to wonder if the Texas holdup on the medical exams prevented the Braves from having proper time to make a move for a starter.
By the way, does everyone forget that during the 1990s the Braves lost a pile of minor leaguers due to trades. Does everyone believe that JS has forgotten how to evaluate minor league talent?
I think the big difference between now and then is the media coverage (internet) of the minor leagues. Other than 2-3 players like Chipper, Klesko, and Lopez, I don’t think anybody really paid much attention to the minor leagues back then, especially the low minors.
By Tomahawkin
July 31, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
KC Ur comment…
Whos on their way out? Thorman or Woodward?
Im afraid I already know the answer. I wish it would be Woodward, but it wont be.
Let It B Woodward PLEASE! Everytime he starts, I can just call the game an Automatic Loss…Why was he not sent down? We need Paronto up here, especially given the Bullpen workload…That Arizona Series scuked arse…
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
HP did they say for Mahay and Dotel? I imagine Ascanio and either Thorman or Woodward.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
Behind instantly! Come on guys lets ride some positive momentum!
By Paladin
July 31, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this
I’m goin’ to bed. No fun here. Besides, I’m all blogged out.
By Pimply Faced Kid
July 31, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this
Iowa,
JS didn’t get Ring for Ledezma. If Startup hadn’t been involved with the deal, the deal wouldn’t have taken place. Ledezma was kind of like a throw in from the dollar table at K- mart.
By Yars
July 31, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this
It’s too early to tell if the Braves can keep Tex after ‘08. Whether they pick up Chipper’s option for ‘09 could play a part in it. Hopefully, Chipper will keep playing a few years after ‘08 season on a hometown discount. I also hope Frenchy is given one of those McCann type long term deals really soon. Holding onto McCann, Frenchy, KJ, & Escobar would be wise. KJ is definitely a future all star.
By TexasBrave
July 31, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this
Stuart it is one of those things you just never know. If Daniels is that concerned about Harrison then fine, lets replace him with someone else. If Matt doesn’t make it, then no harm done. But if he does then we have made a great move by keeping him. Now not only do we not have him but we are also out another prospect.
Of course JS could have know that Matt might not make it and was trying to push one over on Daniels and at the last minute Daniels wised up and asked for another player.
Only time will tell.
By Pimply Faced Kid
July 31, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this
And McCann continues to amaze behind the plate. He’s a good kid, gonna be a good one for a long time, but his defense sucks.,,,,, end of story. Hope it gets better as he matures because too many balls get by him and he has butterfingers trying to make the transfer to the throwing hand.
By Yars
July 31, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this
Braves just need to be ahead after the 6th, then let the pen finish the job with no problems. That was the Braves philosophy coming out of spring training.
By Rosalynn
July 31, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this
Hello everahbodah! Tex is gonna be a Brave! Jimma is so excited that he fohgot to zip his flah todah at the Carter Centah. Thankfullah, no one was awaah of what was happening and one of the Secret Suhvice boahs zipped up the Commanduh in one fast motion befoah anahone could get a photo. Jimma just grinned with those big ol’ teeth and said something about Tex making us a contendah.
Did ya see that plah Chippah just made ovah the shouldah? Could put Chippa on the D.L. making plahs like that.
I talked with mah haih stahlist this moahning and found out she also does Chippa’s chin haih. Soon that chin haih will be a puhfect Mizuna emblem and Chippa will be raking in the dough.
By Iowa Brave
July 31, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this
PF Kid,
I’m sure you’re right, but I’ll bet Ledezma was the starting point of Kevin Tower’s 1st call.
By HP
July 31, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this
bravesfan: No, they only mentioned on Tiexeria.
By Iowa Brave
July 31, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this
Mac Attack #12….Salty who?
By Greg in TN
July 31, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this
Evening friends and neighbors…
The best business to be in down in Atlanta today has to be printing, what with all of the changes made to the roster today before the non-waiver trading deadline.
Having to add Beau Jones to the Teixiera deal and Lance Berkman’s first inning homer notwithstanding, I have to say I haven’t gone through a day like today in some time. I was a proponent of giving Liberty a chance, and to this point, I’m pleased with what I’m seeing from the folks in Denver.
Nifty grab by Chipper just now to end the top half of the second inning.
JS certainly reloaded the bullpen today with the additions of Mahay and Dotel. JS may not yet be done, although the nuances of trading players through waivers is much more complex, it can be done.
Interesting that Corky Miller gets the call from Richmond rather than bringing back Bryan Pena. I couldn’t help but noticing that Miller is wearing #27, which was the uniform of one Frederick McGriff.
Woooooo, B-Mac answers with a solo shot. Drilled a fastball that was headed right down Peachtree as Skip would say.
By Girth
July 31, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this
Jason In Maine
Please dis”regard” your regards. It’s really annoying. Just takes up more space. Thanks.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this
Tomahawkin-Dude, I wouldn’t count on Hampton for anything. That way, anything you get from him is great. If he comes back and still has something left in his arm-well, you can never have too much pitching. If he comes back strong, I would imagine we could get him cheap for another couple of years. It’s all good. If he’s got nothing, well we get his salary back in the budget in a year.
By The Blogger formerly known as Saltywoody
July 31, 2007 8:14 PM | Link to this
JULIO!!!!!
How ‘bout that sacrifice fly, huh?
Who needs Tex?
(We do…desperately)
By TK
July 31, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this
Man with all the new faces coming in the Braves may need to get name tags. Except for Bobby Cox…he will just say “Hey kid”
btw anyone else glad the Braves didn’t make the Roccoa trade that most people wanted on here??? I hope I don’t wish later that we didn’t make this one. Welcome all you new Braves…and good luck to all you sent out Braves.
By jbutler
July 31, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this
Ron…truly. You remind me of my mother in law. Never enough. Never.
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 31, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this
Chuck right on track: 47 pitches through 3.
By StingerSplash
July 31, 2007 8:26 PM | Link to this
As good as the Teixeira and Dotel moves were, maybe the best move was the one the Braves didn’t make - trading Renteria to the Palehose. You can’t put it on the board, yes.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this
Hummm…. JS said we might see Tex in the game tonight
By Salty
July 31, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this
Girth
The comment to Jason was unnecessary. He’s a good guy.
Help Lew chase the trolls off…talk about suckin’ up space! :-)
By Tomahawkin
July 31, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this
Lew I think Most people up in here have forgotten Mike Hamptons number…I as well don’t see much out of him during the upcoming season…
BTW I Think everyone up in here needs to show some love to D.O.B. That dude has worked his arse off on one of the biggest media days in the season if not the year for that matter, Nuff Respect D.O.B. on all da 401 you provide us, and man you were seriously on top of day (exepletive)…
By Carolina Lady
July 31, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
There may be a serious problem - what will Mark Teixeira be called??
Marky? Uh….no.
Texy? Um…..nope.
Sherry??? NO, no, no!
Bet Bobby stays with ‘kid’.
BTW, JS was just in the booth last inning and (if you missed it) said MT is VERY excited about coming to ATL and is on his way to Turner Field right now, may be in uniform before the game is over.
By StingerSplash
July 31, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
Does anyone know what Corey Patterson’s contract status is, in case the Braves don’t resign Andruw? I know he strikes out a ton (so does Andruw), but he has power and speed and if we have Teixeira, maybe we can live with Corey in CF. Just an idle thought.
By BlueMoon
July 31, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this
Just something else to throw out there-
The Braves are loaded with young players already… McCann Francouer Johnson Jones (still only 30)
so what do they have to lose by trading away prospects that may or may not pan out? This may also be an indication that management (JS) feels better about the younger talent in A ball than they do about the talent being traded away.
I’m still looking for JS to make a move for a top of the line starter before play starts up next year though. I just don’t see us standing pat with what we have in the starting rotation.
By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist
July 31, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
“New York had an opportunity to deal reliever Kyle Farnsworth to Atlanta for Bob Wickman but it would’ve been on the hook for nearly all the money Farnsworth is owed.”
and why would atlanta want kyle farnsworth bacK? not a playoff pitcher. like reardon (oh, the humanity! reardon!)
and a little bird is changing that bird’s feathers but is still easily identified on this blog.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
Kelly crushed that ball!!!! GO BRAVES
By Glass Half Full (GHF)
July 31, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
I can’t resist…
“I’m tired of this team! It’s time for a FIRE SALE! Trade the Joneses, Smoltz, Woodward, and Orr for “prospects.” This season is over!”
Did that cover the usual idiotic rants heard here frequently?
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
I guess flights leaving Atl for Texas left before the ones fron Tex to Atl. Salty is playing for them tonight. JS just said that Tex’s plane arrived and he should be at the park soon. They optioned Paronto to make room. Wow, Frenchy just went 2 for 2 and Bad*ss Kelly Johnson just went yard. I don’t know why some dog him out.
These Braves are for real now
GO BRAVES
By LT (double A blogger)
July 31, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
So with Dotel, will Wickman be out as the closer and moved to set up, or is there going to be closer by committee?
By Tomahawkin
July 31, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
Dere we go KJ! lets get this pennant race started off rite with an offensive explosion 2nite…
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 31, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this
BOOM! KJ and the Braves have a little extra bounce in their step, wouldn’t you say? This is going to be fun the rest of the way. Can’t wait until a week from tonight
By Chris
July 31, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this
What is that, 60 pitches through 4 innings for Chucky?
Man, I REALLY like Smoltz, Huddy and Chucky in a playoff series. That’s absolutely disgusting.
By Chopin' at the bit
July 31, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this
Anyone heard what number TEX will wear? I know Diaz has 23. Mark did wear 32 while playing for GT…but Mahay wears 32????
By Chase
July 31, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this
what a swing KJ has
By N8
July 31, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this
Iowa Brave
“Wow, cant believe that JS got such a good player for Ledezma. Making a trade for someone that you have to get rid of anyway is hard enough, getting value for him is amazing. The next time u want to complain about JS, remember this trade.”
On the surface, sure. But make no mistake about it. Ledezma was NOT the player the Padres were willing to give up Royce Ring. I’m guessing Ledezma was a throw in.
So in the long run, giving up Startup for Ring might be considered a steal for the Padres.
Either way, obviously the Braves have more confidence in Ring helping them sooner than they thought Startup would, even with Will’s pretty good numbers at AAA this year.
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this
You’ve probably just heard this and I remember it now but Chuck James pitched lights out last year from Auf 14th on. He went 8 and 1. If he gets close to that to go along w/ Smoltz, Hudson and the way Carlyle has been pitching, the Mets better watch out.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this
Edgar is about to catch up with Chipper. Edgar .336 Chipper .342
By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist
July 31, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this
carolina lady, it is believed bobby will call teixeira, “tushy.” please try to keep up. :-) and now, has baby seal arrived yet in carolina? have heard nothing since baby seal was dispatched. and imagine all the cubs news we are missing with chip caray not doing the game tonight! and whither carroll rogers? still with the ajc? still writing baseball? still in a good mood? nothing worse than a grumpy baseball writer. too much cheese.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this
Half Full, it’s kinda funny to think back a couple weeks or more, during the five-game skid, when I was trying to convince folks there was absolutely no way the Braves were going to be sellers or “strip it down and start over” and blah blah blah.
Oh, well. I think the vast majority on here tonight can appreciate the moves the Braves just made. Hey, they gave up a ton of talent, but they’re serious about winning right now — that can no longer be questioned by anyone, right?
By DEBravesFan
July 31, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this
I like the moves by the Braves. The window of opportunity for the veterans on this team is closing fast and these moves allow the Braves to have a legitimate shot at a WS this year.
By Glass Half Full (GHF)
July 31, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this
Haven’t scrolled up, but am I too late for this one…”Rolls Royce” Ring or Royce “Ring of Fire?”
By robdawg06
July 31, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this
Wouldn’t it be nice for Teixeira to play tonight ? JS said it was possible. A pinch hit homerun would be a great way to start his Braves career ! Thanks JS for getting Teixeira !
By Ron
July 31, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this
jbutler That was funny dude!!! But dude like I said If we win a World Series while he is here, or IF we can resign him then it will be a good deal for us!!! Only time will tell!!! Whats the BIG problem with me complaining about getting another Starter? We will need another one, and JS said he seriously doubted that they would acquire one!!! That is disappointing!!! I would have Rather had a Starter than Dotel!!! But that is MY opionion!!!
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this
Chopin’ at the bit number 24
By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist
July 31, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this
this journalist is in the market for some alberta peaches. homemade peach ice cream will soon be available if jimmy smith finds the right peaches. a little peach ice cream, and maybe a hot pie from mrs. anthony and all will be well. cold milk? good idea. need to find the peaches first.
By Mets Stink
July 31, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this
atlantabraves.com has Tex listed as #24
By HP
July 31, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this
Chuck James is out of gas!!!
By Efrim
July 31, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
Damn, Chuck James gives it all back real quick. Unbelievable.
By Greg in TN
July 31, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
Wow…. Talk about irony gang.
Today is the 25th anniversary of Nocahomagate.
Remember the euphoria of the 1982 season. The 13-0 start, Niekro going 17-4, Murph knocking in 109…
25 years ago today, Braves GM John Mullin banished Chief Nokahoma from his teepee which sat on the left field pavilion level at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium.
The team responded by losing that night to the Dodgers and then dropping 19 of their next 21 before sanity was restored and the teepee was returned to its usual perch. Once Nokahoma’s pad was returned, the Braves caught fire and the rest is history.
In all fairness, the teepee was removed before a west coast swing in LA, San Francisco and San Diego, which were 2, 3 and 4 behind us in that order and where the team played 5 extra inning games during that 11 game road trip.
Still, amazing to think back to that season and how we edged the Dodgers thanks to the Giants, and ugggh, Joe Morgan.
By Chase
July 31, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
Come on Chuck…You are blowing a 5-1 lead!!!!!1
By Braves Fan 79
July 31, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this
The best 2 days i can remember being a Braves fan in awhile will get even better if we cut woodcrap tomorrow! I mean do we really have need for a .150 pitchitter??
By jb
July 31, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this
Love the trades.
Salty looks to be the real deal (at catcher, not 1B,) but stuck behind McCann. Texiera was the best bat available, and the Braves had the best prospect in Salty to offer. I hope Salty can show what he can do as an everyday catcher. Dotel for Davies, probably a steal. Absolutely love the trade. You can never have too many hard throwing relievers with ERA’s under 4. Getting Royce Ring while losing a prospect and Ledezma’s salary (we wont miss a left who can’t get out lefties in the pen) is also a brilliant move. He could be in the pen in no time. Escobar showed he is the real deal, and it was a good thing to keep him. He is like Renteria was when he was Escobar’s age. Means when Renteria goes we replace him with a younger “Renteria.” Elvis would have no were to play, so nice to see him go. I feel Lillebride had more upside anyway. Would have like to see another starter, but the market wasn’t that good for them. We should make the playoffs with what we got. Arizona showed you really only need 2 starters to win in the post season. JS really did a nice job. Villereal or Moylan as the 5th starter?
By robdawg06
July 31, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this
If they do the closer by committee I hope Wickman only comes in when Dotel’s arm falls off or never…
By ijonathan
July 31, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this
Yes, great moves today. But hold off on the parade for now. Our “#3 starter” isn’t effective after about 5 innings.
By Greg in TN
July 31, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this
Here’s a link to a mention of Nokahoma’s teepee and a photo for those folks wanting to see it.
Link
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
DOB, I assume that B. Pena will be called up tomorrow to take Miller’s place and then Ascaino will be sent down to the minors to make room for Dotel. But, what is going to be done to get Mahay on the roster and I would assume that Ring will be put on the roster as well because two lefties is better than one, right. So, would Thorman and perhaps Yates be designated for assignment.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
Is anyone surprised what is going on in this game? The offense scores tonight, and now Chuck James has just given up 4 runs!!! When we dont score for him, he holds the opposition to 2 or fewer runs here lately!!! I like James, but man, same sh!t different night!!! We still might win, but man I am just not surprised anymore what happens!!!
By The Grinch
July 31, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this
The homeboy upstairs called Tex a “fellow homeboy.” Hmmm.
By TexasBrave
July 31, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
What’s up with Chucky always hitting the freaking wall around the fifth inning? Seeesh.
By A-ville Ranger
July 31, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this
The question of whether to try to re-sign Teixeira may be complicated by the play of Kala Kaaihue the big first baseman in Myrtle Beach. In a tough hitters park he has 22 hr but more impressive a .992 ops.I’ve attended many games at the park in MB and those numbers are special.The kid is only 22 and in case you think it’s a one year fluke,his ops was even better last year in Rome,well over .1000.
By ernesto
July 31, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this
I jsut hope BC doesn’t screw up the Tex deal by batting ‘Druw right behind him. Poor guy will never see a pitch.
By Lew
July 31, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this
Nathan-Startup is one of those guys who you wonder what BC and the Braves really think of them. Devine is another-maybe Boyer, too, but not as much. Even when Devine was up a couple of weeks ago with the bullpen flaming out, BC never really went to him. There was always some kind of reluctance there. I always got the same impression with Startup. I don’t know if they made a bad impression (Other than Devine’s sacrifice when he first came up) or if it was just a plain old lack of confidence. Don’t know what to make of it.
By ijonathan
July 31, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
So, Andruw maybe hurts is arm or shoulder during one of his “swing from your a$$” swings. Maybe he’ll have to tone down his swing a bit and actually make some decent contact.
By Gil in Mechanicsville
July 31, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
For all you folks out there who are still having separation anxiety over all the kids traded today, I have a simple analogy for you.
It’s a lot like having two nice sports cars and needing a van because your family has outgrown your current cars. You really hate to give up a nice car but you can’t drive two cars everywhere so you trade one in for a Lexus SUV, (might as well drive a nice SUV right)?
In the end you solve your transportation problems but you actually made an upgrade.
By Serge
July 31, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
Someone explain to me why Willie Harris is still leading off instead of Kelly Johnson?
By Salty
July 31, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this
Ron
Time for you to change your moniker and become an icon. You are noted for ‘!!!’, so become !!!. It’s rather like Prince and his ‘symbol’…whatever it is. Have you noticed \Berigan/// with his sticks blowin’ in the breeze? What say you? :->
By Salty
July 31, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
Grinch
That’s the way they do it in Bawlimer!
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this
Thanks goodness Chipper was alive unlike Edgar and Kelly or we would have a tie game
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this
Atta boy Jeffery
By Jeff321
July 31, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this
Anyone ever thought of this?
What is Andruw Jones’ stats when he hits the catcher with a back swing? I realize this info is most likely not documented. However, it appears to throw him off his game. And it seems someone batting .216 would want to fix that problem as to not “handicap” his at bat. Finally, any normal person would feel “bad” for hitting the catcher.. but, what I’m getting at is addressing the problem to save the catcher from possible injury and improving AJ’s season.
By HP
July 31, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this
Just heard on Braves radio that Texieria and Mahay has arrived at the ball park.
By Bubbaallred
July 31, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this
Don’t look now, Frenchy’s average is at .302
By JJMB
July 31, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this
The thing about Teixeira coming to the team is, well, he’s a Tech man. He’s going to have to explain to all the cretins why the Moon doesn’t create the night, and the Sun isn’t devoured by a dragon everyday.
Such is the burden of intellect.
8-ή
By S T I N K Y
July 31, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this
DOB said: its kinda funny to think back a couple weeks or more, during the five-game skid, when I was trying to convince folks there was absolutely no way the Braves were going to be sellers or strip it down and start over and blah blah blah.
Since 2003, when the homeboy skule of baseball economix started suckin’, Braves fans have been conditioned to think that there was no money for nobody nowhere.
Forgive some of us for being a little testy.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this
Anybody STILL doubt that Frenchy is a Star Right Now?
By Carolina Lady
July 31, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this
jjs, this lady is so embarrassed! Haven’t kept up. Oh, the humiliation! Baby Seal has spent 95% of his time in the pond eating my fish. Otherwise he has been most helpful, except for that little incident with the clorox and the laundry. We’ll discuss damages later.
Tushy, huh? Whatever you say…. :-))
By The Grinch
July 31, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this
Lew, McBride is another one of those guys, else how to explain giving him, Ledezma and Startup essentially for Ring? Nobody has bothered to say anything, but he must have done something awful we don’t know about.
The team seems fired up tonight; they’re refusing to let poor starting pitching get in their way. This is a good thing; we may have to slug through a good bit of it. I have faith, though.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this
HP, haven’t looked at posts very far back (was doing long story), but I’m sure you’ve heard Teixeira was activated, after all. They optioned Paronto to Richmond to open a spot.
Teixeira could pinch-hit, who knows….
Braves gonna have to make a couple moves tomorrow to add two pitchers. MIght be one pitcher and one pitcher sent out, and they’d go back to 12 pitchers in that scenario. They’ve not indicated the breakdown.
Could make a move after game, but they usually wait.
Among the possibilities: Could designate for assignment Woodward, Thorman or Julio. Woodward plays a lot of positions, which might keep him up. Thorman is young with power, probably get claimed by someone. Julio’s a much better pinch-hit option than Thorman, but they might not want to lose Thorman.
In the ‘pen, Ascanio surely will be the guy sent down tomorrow.
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this
GO FRENCHY 3 FOR 3
By !!!Ron!!!
July 31, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this
Salty Is that what you talkin about?
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this
TEX is in the house. Lets show what it is like to win.
Frenchy and Kelly…6 for 6 2HR & 5 runs. How sweet it is!!!
By N8
July 31, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
DOB
Obviously, Paranto was optioned to Richmond to make room for Tex. With Dotel and Mahay needing to be activated tomorrow, what’s the word on who’s going down?
My guess (despite his smooth outing tonight), is that Yates might be one of the two “going away”, with his 5.28 Jeckyl/Hyde ERA.
Am I too far off in that assumption? I’ll also assume that Julio isn’t going anywhere, correct?
Why not Brayan Pena instead of Corky “.210” Miller to be the backup catcher/emergency 1B?
As good as these trades were, and they ARE good trades, calling up Miller is mind baffling? What the hell has Pena done (or not done), to deserve being shunned to AAA? I don’t get it.
Anyhow, that’s all the “complaining” I’ll do on a very good day to be a Braves fan, IMO.
On a side note, I wish Salty all the luck in the world in Texas. For all of the same reason that some have concerns for Tex NOT hitting in that ballpark (Texas) anymore, Salty should put up some MONSTER numbers playing catcher and DHing in that ballpark. Which will end up being very good for his wallet, when it comes to a new contract a few years down the road.
One more question. Was JS really ever close to aquiring Gagne? To me that would’ve been THE GUY to get for our bullpen, lefty or not. None the less, Dotel should be an improvement over what we’ve got out there now.
My guess, if what you’ve said about a possible waiver/trade deal with Wickman going down, is that it’s going to be soon (within the next week or so), and it will be for a starting pitcher. Just my gut.
Time will tell, I guess.
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this
TEIXEIRA just got a HUGE standing ovation when they showed him in uniform, on the bench, in the full shot on the jumbotron. Must’ve been hitting in the indoor cage, because he was sweating his arse off. Perhaps preparing for a pinch-hit appearance? Don’t know….
Robert (JIB), why in the world would Miller be called up today, only to be sent down tomorrow to make room for B. Pena. Makes absolutely no sense. Miller is here to be the backup catcher, and will be here for the forseeable future in that role.
Pena’s been playing first base and left field at Richmond, from what I understand….
LEE, Dotel was so excited to come to Atlanta, Schuerholz said he couldn’t understand half of what he said when he talked to him. Apparently Dotel lives here now in the offseason (and now during season).
By Gil in Mechanicsville
July 31, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this
Does anyone else wonder if Andruw is trying to get a contract with EA Sports with that flashy gawdawful swing?
By DEBravesFan
July 31, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this
Tex just got a standing O for drinking a cup of water in the dugout
By Bobby
July 31, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this
DOB-
One final move… Wickman to CLE for (in order of preference) Byrd, Lee, or Westbrook
Thoughts?
By HP
July 31, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this
Kelly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this
Francoeur crushes one 15 rows into the left-field pavilion for a homer, then flies out to the wall in left-center.
Yeah, too bad the boy’s lost his power….
By dave
July 31, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this
i dont understand sending paronto down, he’s been great since the beginning of june and he’s got a .77 era in july. i would rather send down yates, but he may be out of options. do you know DOB?
By ernesto
July 31, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
Okay, it’s official CJ owes KJ a candy bar.
By dave
July 31, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
i dont understand sending paronto down, he’s been great since the beginning of june and he’s got a .77 era in july. i would rather send down yates, but he may be out of options. do you know DOB? KJ is the man, 2 Bombs.
By Superman
July 31, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
This team is about to catch fire. Do you think the phils and the mets hear the footsteps on their tails?? They are pretty loud!
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 31, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this
Forget a fire in the press box, the Braves bats are smoking again tonight. Wow!
By ACB
July 31, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this
The Grinch has faith? I thought he was an aesthetic?
By David O'Brien
July 31, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this
Kelly hits two homers, could be headed to No. 8 spot in the lineup after tonight (when he plays, of course. Hard to believe he’s a platoon guy. Then again, Escobar’s too good to platoon, too. Whaddya gonna do?)
It makes you realize how they might have offered Renteria for Garland or whomever. Renteria’s been the team MVP this year, but they’ve got so much offense and, before fortifying the ‘pen, they were looking for another starter desperately.
Can’t see Edgar back next year, just because they’ve got to find a spot for Escobar. Either Edgar or Kelly goes, and Kelly’s a lot cheaper and younger. Plus, Escobar’s a lot better at SS than 2B.
By Salty
July 31, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this
No…go naked….leave out the Ron….just !!!
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
That was sweet. Good Braves fans to give Teixeira that kind of hello. I got a little chills. I am Sooo excited about the rest of the year. Now 7-4. Oh yea!!
GO BRAVES
By DEBravesFan
July 31, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this
Yates just needs some rest; he has been overused this year, and should regain his good form if he gets more days off with Dotel here. If he’s got options maybe some R&R at Richmond might do the trick.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this
N8 In a interview on Sports South JS said that he doubts he will get a Starter, because it is hard to do a waiver wire deal!!! But JS might just be saying that, you never know!!! I would trade Wickman for Cliff Lee in a heartbeat!!! JS might be waiting before he trades Wickman to see how the Bulpen looks with Dotel!!!
By FSU Brave
July 31, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this
We got fleeced when we added Beau Jones to the deal. If Harrison’s shoulder bothered them, then we should have put in Jones and kept Harrison. That was way too much to give up for Texeira, even as good as he is…that’s just unbelievable.
For the prospects we gave up in that deal, we should have definitely gotten CJ Wilson instead of Ron Mahay. Just unbelievable that fleecing.
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this
This latest Stinky is not the same stinky that originally used to stink up the blog in the past—this Stinky merely stole the other stinky’s Stinky name…and now this Stinky is trying to ride that stinky’s stinky reputation for all it’s worth…
It’s very obvious from the stinky content of this Stinky’s posts that this Stinky isn’t nearly as intelligent, nor as clever, as the original stinky…nor as stinky as he…don’t get me wrong, this Stinky stinks, but it’s a different stink…could say just a smelly Stinky, not really a stinky Stinky…just another stinkin’ punk@$$ troll looking for it’s 15 minutes of stinkin’ infamy…just a stinkin’ fake@$$ stinky!…
By MEB
July 31, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this
Kelly Johnson!!! Teeing off like Tiger Woods on 18 at Augusta. What a beautiful swing!
Greg in TN… thanks for the Chief Nokahoma info and link. I just love that kind of stuff. Things nowadays are just not as much fun. The Braves would have wore out the ol’ Chief tonight and with this lineup many more nights to come.
GO BRAVES!!!
By A-ville Ranger
July 31, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this
If it jells this lineup could prove the best in the BC-JS era.The 98 team could smash it but these guys are better contact hitters from top to bottom.Too many teams in the past 16 years were over weight with mistake pitch hitters who had trouble adjusting against smart pitchers.If Andruw,Chipper,Johnson,McCann,Edgar,Frenchy and Tex all hit near the top of their games it could be plume scarey.
By Salty
July 31, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this
ACB Aesthetic…too funny!
By Caleb
July 31, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this
So Kelly Johnson, who’s 4 for 4 with 2 HR and 5 RBI’s tonight (along with batting .295 on the season) could/will be are 8th hitter?!? Goodnight! Our lineup is stacked now.
By Vol
July 31, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this
Wow, this trade is working out great!!! Do they know Tex isn’t in the lineup? 24 runs in 2 days.
I’d love to hear more details about why Pena isn’t the callup at catcher. Shocker to me. Corky’s career numbers are beyond terrible, although I don’t know what he’s done in the minors this year.
I know Wickman has struggled lately, but I still think he might be the better option over Dotel. I wonder if something is still bothering him. Hope he stays and the bullpen keeps the starters from going deep into games. I guess James tested those waters today.
By Mets rule. You drool.
July 31, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this
Yay! We just got a guy who hits .260 away from Texas, aren’t we great?
Meanwhile you gave up how many players? Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!
Can’t wait to start reading the blogs from you jerks when your new guy starts sucking. Hahahhaha!!!!
Meanwhile the Amazin’s add great defense and speed at their only weakness. Giving up almost nothing.
Hows that taste? You like it?
By the way, Mets 2, Brewers 1.
hahahahaha! What’s life like in turd place? Hahahaha!!!! ROTFL!!!!!
Welcome to Losertown Texsuckia.
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this
Yates isn’t going down. The only reason he’s been hit lately is b/c of his over-use. Now w/ Mahay and Dotel he won’t be used as much(hopefully). His pitches tonight looked so much for lively. A little rest and he will deliver.
Also, I am glad Bobby has given Franco so many bats. He will be fine off the bench and I still believe he is worth more in the club house than on the field.
By Braves Idiot
July 31, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this
I’ve got to agree with the Mets fan. The vraves only added a mediocre !B who is a head case and hten we gave away our whole farm system. Now we suck AND we have no future. Minay beat us again. He added a stud 2b with speed - we are going to be remembering the days we were only 4.5 back as happy days.
The Amazin Mets are about to run away with it and theres nothing we can do.
Waaaaah!
By jbutler
July 31, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this
Hey Ron….I hear ‘ya cluckin big chicken. But w/only 1 medium level starter to be had….there was nothin to grab. Enjoy the here/now. Let my mother in law worry about next year.
Any truth to the rumors Tex is a “clubhouse cancer” like some TX media is reporting??? Hoping that’s just bad blood kicking him on his way out and not truth!!
Carolina Lady…I love you cutting to the chase of nicknames. Whoever suggested “tushy” or “cushy” or whatever. Thanks. I was eating.
By JJMB
July 31, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this
‘07 Braves = ‘27 Yanks?
By BossLady
July 31, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
I am so happy to see Tex in the Braves uniform. Maybe, with a good bribe he can get his 23 from Diaz. What makes this so special is that our team is winning and looking good when he got here tonight. This way it does not look like he has to come in a put the whole team on his shoulders. I am so please with JS, man he is Goooood!!
By The Truth Hurts
July 31, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
I believe Miller was called up b/c the defensive skills he offers far surpass that of Pena—who, as noted, also plays other positions in the minors. It stands to reason that Pena wouldn’t be as good defensively, since he doesn’t focus exclusively on catching. They’ve got a slick-hitting catcher already—they’d probably rather have a guy who can throw somebody out if need be.
N8, can you imagine what it would’ve taken to get Gagne instead of Mahay? Gabbard was a pretty good—and young— starting pitcher for the Red Sox, as Braves fans can certainly remember (don’t know who the second prospect was in the trade). You’re probably looking at TWO different prospects, or at least someone like Reyes or Escobar.
By The Truth Hurts
July 31, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this
I believe Miller was called up b/c the defensive skills he offers far surpass that of Pena—who, as noted, also plays other positions in the minors. It stands to reason that Pena wouldn’t be as good defensively, since he doesn’t focus exclusively on catching. They’ve got a slick-hitting catcher already—they’d probably rather have a guy who can throw somebody out if need be.
N8, can you imagine what it would’ve taken to get Gagne instead of Mahay? Gabbard was a pretty good—and young— starting pitcher for the Red Sox, as Braves fans can certainly remember (don’t know who the second prospect was in the trade). You’re probably looking at TWO different prospects, or at least someone like Reyes or Escobar.
By Superman
July 31, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
Mets idiot
We added an all star 1st basemen entering his prime and some good relievers. The mets added an aging has been with bad knees. yeah minaya did a great jog hahahahahahaha rotflmao hahahahahaha
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this
Looks like Glavine is going to get number 300 in the blue and orange. You know one day when he goes into the Hall of Fame hes going to say I want to go in as a Met.
And who could blame him.
Hahahhahahaha!!!!!
Brewers only 3 hits tonight…I thought our pitching sucked?
By A-ville Ranger
July 31, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this
This could prove to be the best lineup in the BC-JS era.The 98 team could pound the ball but too many of those guys were mistake pitch hitters.That’s fine when a pitcher is giving you what you want but it was flawed.This team has more players who can hit the smart pitchers and wear them down.In the playoffs (if they get there) where you see the best pitchers on the best teams, this team looks better constructed for success.
By MEB
July 31, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this
Now that Salty is gone I guess we will have to get by with McCann’s 2 for 4 night with a homer and 4 RBI’s.
I wish the best for Salty but I really think the Braves did his career a huge favor by trading him to the Rangers. They have a beautiful stadium that will boost his numbers and living in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area is not bad.
GO BRAVES!!!
By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist
July 31, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
hmm… chipper again using the word, formidable. two days in a row. what is going on?
“I like our chances to get in the playoffs. And I think we’ll be a formidable opponent [with a chance to] win it all if we get there.”
now, if the team can score like this maybe the pitching deficiencies can be overcome.
dotel lives here? do tell … and where does tushy live? and will this be the last we see of ascanio? the announcers like the way ascanio pitches (not an arm breaking delivery like some).
it is reported that if the braves sweep the astros every player will receive a nice, canned ham.
now, the game is over. time for a game of old maid.
By Bubbaallred
July 31, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this
braves pen - no hitter for 4 innings. After a day off of course.
By ACB
July 31, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this
Not that there’s anything wrong with being an aesthetic, Salty-Dude. I respect everyone’s right to mellow or not to mellow.
Wheel in the sky keeps on turnin’, you know.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this
Salty Cant do that man!!! That is a little bit too naked for me!!! That is my symbol though!!! Pretty cool thinking of it though!!!
DOB you think we may can get a Good Young CF and possibly a descent Starter for Renteria in the offseason OR do you think we may can get Joe Blanton Straight up for Renteria? Either one would be great!!! I cant see the Braves trading Escobar, not now since they did not trade him at the deadline!!! It is NOW apparent to me that he will be the Future SS, which I figured he would be, but I was thinking about Arroyo!!! But Scratch that IDEA!!!
By Chopin' at the bit
July 31, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this
Anyone heard what number TEX will wear? I know Diaz has 23. Mark did wear 32 while playing for GT…but Mahay wears 32????
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this
Mets rule. You drool. just in case you didn’t know the Braves won 12 to 4
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this
Say what you want about Bobby but a good idea not to waste another arm tonight. You know Ascanio is going down tomorrow so why not use him. He looks good though.
By N8
July 31, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this
Truth Hurts
I hear you about what it might’ve taken to get Gagne. But we did give up Harrison, Davies and Startup today/yesterday.
If Davies and Startup would’ve been added to that deal it might’ve netted us Gagne.
Again, I’m not b!tching, I’m happy with the moves. I’m just curious what it might’ve taken to do it. Maybe Wickman could’ve been added instead of Davies, and then Davies still could’ve been used for Dotel.
Oh well. It didn’t happen. So there’s no sense in dwelling on it.
Mark it down, if Gagne stays healthy, the Red Sox EASILY have the best 1-2 bullpen punch in MLB. Of course Pappelbon has to stay healthy as well, for that to happen.
But man….
By I'm a Braves fan
July 31, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this
Yay! At least we won’t get swept by the Dis-Astros - like we did the Reds. And we barely kept up with SF, hard to imagine how a mediocre 1B is going to help. I just hope we overtake the Phillies for second, first is already gone - it’s just the Mets time - let’s hope we can get back in the Wilc Card race
By JasonInMaine
July 31, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this
I just Tim K on espn news talking about Dotel…says scouts are saying he is almost all the way back and is “nasty”…always good to hear!
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
And o yeah I can promise you he isn’t going to go in as a Met
By Serge
July 31, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this
After Watching Kelly go 4 for 4, he HAS to go back to leadoff. Willie has slumped for the entire month, and is hitting .240 as a leadoff hitter. Please somebody convince Bobby to do the right thing!
By mr baseball
July 31, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this
As one of the few (only?) on the blog to actively question the job performance of the GM, I give him a qualified thumbs-up for his moves today. Unless the Braves advance deeper in the playoffs than they have since the 20th century and also resign Tex to an extension, the deal has the potential to be a whole lot worse than the trade for Drew, which cost the Braves only one prospect of note. Looks to me like the GM is looking for one last ring before he calls it a career, which I’m guessing may not extend past the possible departure of the new 1B after the ‘08 season.
As previously observed, if Davies is going to develop as a pitcher, it’s not going to be in a Braves’ uniform. Given the recent purge of pitchers with local connections, I wouldn’t be settling in here yet if I was Mr. James. If Davies becomes a serviceable starter, trading him for a 2 month rental of a No. 3 reliever may not look too smart in the near future.
Both the Teixeira and Ring trades resulted from moves by the GM that both blew up in his face. There would have been no need for Tex if the GM had not dealt LaRoche for a LH reliever with a track record of arm troubles. At least he moved relatively quickly to fix the problem, unlike the last time he left a huge hole at 1B for 3 years after the disastrous trade of Klesko & Boone.
There would have been no need for Ring, and possibly none for Mahay, if McBride had not been banished for the unfortunate Ledezma, who was an utter flop. He has now cost the team both McBride & Startup, as well as the 2 games he lost. Like others here, you have to wonder what McBride did to warrant such treatment, but I doubt we’ll ever find out, much like the mystery of why Eli Marrerro was thrown away with nothing in return and no explanation.
The offense is much better, the bullpen is much better, but neither may matter a helluva lot if…. Smoltz’s shoulder falls off; Hudson reverts to his ‘06 self; James can’t get past the 5th inning; Carlyle proves why he went 8 years or so between major league wins; and Reyes pushes his ERA past 9.00. It will only take 1 or 2 ifs from that group to more than offset the work the GM did tonight.
And with Davies gone, if #1 or #5 comes to pass, who’s next? Lance Cormier? Be still my beating heart.
Bottom line: today was another testament to the true reason the Braves have been this good since ‘91 — the farm system. Without the presence of McCann & Escobar in front of them, the GM could not have dealt Salty and Elvis. Let’s hope there are enough potential major league arms to replace the 3 traded to Texas, plus Davies & Startup. JS left the team short in that department after the trades for Reitsma, Kolb, Farnsworth, etc., and that may be the case again. For a franchise that was built on pitching, there is no reluctance to trade ‘em away in volume.
Win now. Or else.
By The Grinch
July 31, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this
ACB, while I am indeed aesthetically appealing, that is not my religious denomination. I never said I was an Atheist; I just said I wasn’t a Christian. Even if you gave a crap (which I’m sure you don’t) or if this was a proper place to discuss it (which it isn’t), you’d probably never guess what I believe in.
I wish there was a way to keep Ascaino up here; he’s a good looking reliever. Speaking of looks, is it just me or does Tex look kind of like Gallaraga from the side when he laughs? Noticed that earlier when he was talking to Diaz on the bench.
By BossLady
July 31, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this
Glavine got the majority of his wins in Atlanta with Braves defense behind him, such as Andruw who saved Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz with good protection. Also, the offense that always gave him run support. If he goes in the HOF as a Met then somehow, someway he will live to regret it. Burning the bridges that got you over is a dangerous thing to do in the world of karma. He still keps his home here and is active in all his charities and funded programs. He never moved to New York nor wanted to live in that big dumping ground. He is still one of my favorites and I wish him well on his special day. The Mets gave him a contract to steal him from the Braves line-up, that is how they operate which is not kosher.
By Austin
July 31, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this
Hardy singles to begin the bot of the 8th.
Mets 2 Brew Crew 1
By Carolina Lady
July 31, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this
Just read an article quoting JS as saying that DOTEL was so excited about coming to ATL that JS could hardly understand what Dotel was saying. Glad to hear of genuine happiness and excitement at becoming a Brave.
Hey, jbutler! Yeah, this name thing could be a serious problem! Somehow I just don’t think “Tushy” is gonna work! :-)))
(Pssst - Ron, Ms Butler isn’t a dude. Gotta know the cast of characters, my friend.)
By chrisklob
July 31, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
Stingersplash, Patterson will be a free agent after this year.
Grinch, I heard that too. In fact, I believe that Joe Simpson called Schuerholz the “homeboy upstairs” and Schuerholz agreed that he was! I thought that was pretty funny.
Gil, nice analogy. Let’s just hope that the new Lexus drives as well as they say!
DOB, great work, especially the last few days which I can imagine must have been grueling, especially after coming back from the long (late) road trip. Hey, at least you didn’t lose your luggage this time!
I just read your response to Robert (JIB) regarding Miller being called up instead of Pena. Do you have any insight to the thought process behind that decision? I know that he’s been seeing time at 1b and LF but those are not currently areas of need for this team. Are they still trying to develop him into a “super utility” guy and want him to get more playing time at Richmond (where those innings are more readily available)? Or do they like Miller’s veteran prescence in the clubhouse? Does it have something to do with “options”? Or did Miller beat Pena at Rock, Paper, Scissors? :-)
I ask because it’s puzzling to me. On paper, Pena looks to be the better choice for back up catcher. He’s hitting 100 points higher than Miller in spite of the fact that he’s playing multiple positions which some guys find distracting.
Like many aspects of life, some things aren’t what they appear to be. Can you “peel the onion” for me?
By Bob
July 31, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
Mets Drool,
Great to have you on the blog tonight. It has been a pleasure reading your kindergarten homework assignments. Of course, since you never show up when the Mets are in trouble, we probably won’t be seeing you much for the rest of the season. Well, maybe next Spring when you try to stop the latest Braves streak. Hahahahahaha. See ya dude!
By A-ville Ranger
July 31, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
B. Idiot I agree we gave up some good young potential.You’re wrong about the minors being bare though.Brandon Jones,Kala Kaaihue,Thomas Hanson,Joey Devine (remember him ? he’s pitching great),Brent Lillibridge and many more.I think the ratings of the top Braves prospects would have shifted drasticly even if the traded guys were still around.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this
At the end of the season the Amazin Mets will still be 4 to 9 games ahead of you, and we didnt have to sell our entire AAA team to do it.
Next year, we’ll still have prospects. You’ll have a 1B who is is going to hit .260 and will leave the first chance he gets.
Nice.
Sometimes the best trades are the trades you didn’t even end up making - old baseball quote
Hahahaha! Way to show eveyrone how desperate you are.
Game update: Mets 2, Mil (who owns you this year right????) 1.
Looks like even when you win you lose. Hahhahaahaha!!!!! How DOES that taste?
By Seρor Blanco
July 31, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this
Periodista Jimmy Smith estα absolutamente loca. Hace cualquier persona comprenden de lo que ιl estα hablando: Ώjamones conservados, queso, viejas criadas?
Traducciσn:
Journalist Jimmy Smith is a quite interesting fellow. Seρor Blanco always looks forward to his utterances.
By Austin
July 31, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this
Chopin’ at the bit tEX IS WEARING Number 24
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this
Hey Im a Braves fan
It is not just a 1B that is going to make a difference. It is the extra RP help to rest everyone.
But more than that bringing a big name in gets all the other guys get juiced(I know, bad choice of words). How about it gets the other guys pumped up. He walks into tonight we win big, the fan give him a standing O and we are back in ‘93 and making another huge run.
Teixeira looked really happy to be here too. I hope he loves it and we go ahead and resign him. He hasn’y played an out yet and I think he is going to make a huge difference. What a lineup.
By N8
July 31, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this
Ron
“N8 In a interview on Sports South JS said that he doubts he will get a Starter, because it is hard to do a waiver wire deal!!!”
That’s true. But not AS TRUE for teams that aren’t in the upper 1/3 of the league as far as records go, which we’re not. We are right, smack dab, in the middle as far as waiver “pecking order” goes.
So if JS moves before the new guys help us take off in the standings, a player that clears waivers “up to us”, could be ours for the taking.
Odds are, that any of the teams below us, are probably NOT gonna claim a pitcher of waivers at risk of being stuck with them (ask the Padres how that Randy Myers thing worked out a few years back), and since will have first shot over all of the teams we’re chasing, that leaves me to believe that as long as somebody gets put on waivers that could help us, we just might get our guy.
After all, Denny Neagle was a waiver trade, if I recall correctly.
Of course JS could be just BS’ing like you said to bluff the other GM’s out of thinking he’s not still trying to make a move.
By bronxbrave
July 31, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this
Right Mets rule, you didn’t have to go sell off your entire AAA team because there’s nobody in your farm system that anybody wants. Instead, you guys just go out and buy your team during free agency. You’re right, that’s much more honorable.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this
Its common knowledge that Glavine enjoys playing for the Mets more than the Braves.
The Amazin’s are run like a family, who wouldn’t like that?
Tom Glavine goes into the Hall of Fame proudly as a Met - ask anyone.
Meanwhile the Amazin’s are beginning to resemble an All Star team…because now…everyone has been.
Nice.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
DOB, I said what I said about Miller going back down to Richmond because I figured the only reason he got called up was because B. Pena played for Richomnd today at noon and wouldn’t be able to get here. I wasn’t aware that he has been playing 1B and LF, so I sincerely apologize for not making sense.
Girth, Jason can say “regards” anytime he wants on this blog. The guy is one of the most intelligent and astute bloggers here.
And, this team looks like it has a new life and is rejuvenated. JS did an excellent job!
By tyyosh
July 31, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
Nancy,
Glavine will go in as a Brave, guaranteed. Also, you might want to wait until the actual end of the Mets game before coming on to troll.
All, Cox mentioned on the pregame show that they were still working on one more trade.
By Austin
July 31, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
With 1 out in the 8th, Bill Hall double to tie the game. Runner at 2nd and 3rd 1 out. Game Tied 2-2
By Alex
July 31, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
MutsTroll why don’t you go back to the cave you came out of.
Your team is about to experience what is known as a pennant race, something they didn’t have to worry about last year. Lets see how they hold up to the pressure. It’s much easier being the hunter, don’t look back…we’ll see what the NL standings look like next week when the Braves get done with your over 35 softball league team!
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
Mets rule You drool hey bud look at the scoreboard
By Superman
July 31, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
2-2 mets v brewers hahahahaha rotflmao hahahaha
what was that??? was that the door closing as mets drool crept out the back door?
By Bob
July 31, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this
Mets drool,
Check the score now…hahahahaha. And by the way, Braves lead Brewers in season series. If you could read you could check things out before you post. Hahahahaha.
By bryan
July 31, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this
Brew CREW!
and beltran on the DL … where was i today … ohh yeah pulling double duty at the rumor mill …
somewhere there is a good johnny cash song that could be turned into a rumor mill parody … mr o’brien?
By Seρor Blanco
July 31, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this
Ahora bιisbol El bullpen no puede ser confiado en. El Braves debe ganar aporreando al otro equipo en la sumisiσn. ΏDσnde estaba Wickman esta noche? Oh, el manatee enorme no apareciσ.
Traducciσn:
Now baseball The bullpen cannot be trusted. The Braves must win by pounding the other team into submission.
Where was Wickman tonight? Oh, the huge manatee did not appear.
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 31, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this
No 300 for Tommy tonight. Bill Hall ground rule double ties it at 2. We miss Glavine next week as his turn comes up again Sunday night @ Wrigley.
By FiestaDave
July 31, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this
Hey!!!!! It’s tool the mets drool. I still am waiting to see you post anything about baseball other than the same poor typical mets fan jawing, and you ain’t even good at that.
How does tie game taste baby?
Lead is gone, no win for Glavine tonight. you jinxed ‘em drool the tool.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How does Beltran on the DL taste tool? Are you going to cry when we pass you by? I think so. You won’t have the nads to be here when the silly little mets get eliminated, but trust me. We’ll be laughing at you, hard.
By chrisklob
July 31, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this
Mets Fool, once again you show your ignorance. Players being enshrined in the Hall of Fame do not have a choice regarding the team they represent. The Hall of Fame is a museum and their duty is to honor the history of the game so they, and they alone, decide which uniform the player will be wearing. It’s the same reason that Roger Clemens will go to the HOF as a Red Sox.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this
Team of Destiny!!!!! Instead of losing the lead they get a ground rule double then the Amazin’s take care of business (2nd and 3r only one out). You see stuff like that and you know its OUR YEAR!!!!
Extra innings win tonight, that’s why they call them the Amazin’s.
By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist
July 31, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this
edgar at bat. chipper on deck. tushy in the hole. oh, the humanity! this nickname cannot work! bobby must go with “kid”. kid it is. please, no tushy in the hole. and whither journalist bob tonight? slept through another game. in the tub, probably. and smoltz and chipper must remain healthy. repeat, smoltz and chipper must remain healthy. and betemit to the yankees. torre may play betemit some at first base. probably hasn’t talked to dob. and how many first basemen will the braves have on the team tomorrow? does thorman have any trade value? another tony pena, jr giveaway? oh, the humanity! this is a formidable problem. and whither hk with a graph on these new players? hk please check in with this blog.
no alberta peaches yet? time for them, right? not to be confused with canadian alberta. imagine the canadian peach! thorman a canadian, right? orr, too? and soon this team will be purged of canadians.
and if tushy wants the number 23 it should be no problem. diaz can probably make that happen for the right consideration.
and what will become of paronto’s pants? and if wicky goes, this club will have too many big pants left over. chino cadahia should soon have a pair of pants that will be more flattering.
and bobby is on television now doing something with bobby’s nose. oh, the humanity! fishing for dollars. digging for gold. picking a lineup.
and where will andruw bat?
By BravesFanInRockies
July 31, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this
OK, someone else must have said this, but —
Is this the beginning of the Tex Era?
Thank you. I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this
Met’s = No holes now. That is what Omar does biatches!!!! He doesnt’ listen to the meida about what we need, hes always 3 steps ahead.
Luis Castillo 3x all star = no more hopes for you biatches!!!
By ACB
July 31, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this
Grinch-Dude, Are you an aesthetic or not?
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this
WOW I just heard something I didn’t know. Teixeira’s wife is from Atlanta. That could be a plus in the resigning. Once she gets the feeling of living back home she won’t want to leave.
By N8
July 31, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this
Mr. Baseball
“For a franchise that was built on pitching, there is no reluctance to trade em away in volume.”
This team “was built” with basically 5 pitchers. When I say built, I’m speaking of when the 14 years of division titles was started. The five pitchers?
Tom Glavine…drafted, signed and developed by the Braves.
Steve Avery…drafted, signed and developed by the Braves.
John Smoltz…Traded for by the Braves.
Charlie Leibrandt…Signed as a free agent by the Braves.
Greg Maddux…Signed as a free agent by the Braves.
Everybody else, and I mean EVERYBODY else (with the possible exception of Kevin Millwood), has either been signed as a free agent or traded for.
Now, having said all that, find me another team that was able to have 3 HOF caliber pitchers, not only remain effective and healthy (one could argue against Smoltz’ health to an extent), but WANT to stay together for the better part of a decade? The ONLY team that remotely comes close is Oakland with Hudson, Zito and Mulder.
So I will respect your opinion, yet respectfully disagree with the “blanket” statement that the Braves were built on pitching. You need to be more specific. They were built, essentially over the long haul, on THREE PITCHERS that carried this franchise for a decade, and that my friend will likely NEVER happen again in MLB as long as free agency still exsists (and if any of the future “3” are represented by Scott Bora$$).
Since lightning will not likely strike again in our lifetime (much less a 2nd time for our Braves), one has to conclude that JS has done a commendable job doing what he had to, to make the TEAM better.
Face facts. Developing pitchers that have long, successful careers, hasn’t been the forte’ of our system. We just happened to develop one (Glavine) about 20 years ago.
So it shouldn’t come as a shocker to anybody that we haven’t had any “aces” roll through our system in the last decade or so. The Braves have drafted and developed a grand total of 2 HOF pitchers since 1958:
Phil Niekro and Tom Glavine.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
Whatever jerk. If they make Glavine go in as a Brave its only because of some rule. Tom would CHOOSE to go in as a member of the NY METROPOLITANS!!!! 1ST PLAC EIN THE NL EAST! NL EAST CHAMPS.
Don’t look now, Met’s 2nd and 3rd,Castillo up. Suck it up biatches. Hahhhahahaha!!!!1
By FiestaDave
July 31, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
Hahahahahahahahaha.
What a mets apologist. Mota didn’t get the job done. Spin all you want droll drool, truth tastes pretty bad don’t it drool? Sosa and Perez is your destiny and even your poor beloved Pedro isn’t going to save you this year. You wince when you think that Glavine would have ALREADY had 300 in the bank had he stayed in the ATL. How’s that taste drool the tool?
And now big bad Carlos is on the pine.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
By Roll Tide
July 31, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this
Bonds just got a IBB by the Dodgers in the 3rd.
By Ron
July 31, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this
N8 Good point!!! I just hope that we get a descent Starter!!! I like JoJo, but just dont trust him for the rest of THIS season!!!
By JJMB
July 31, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this
Well, well, little Tommy Turncoat won’t getting his 300th tonight. I hope the twerp DOES go into the HOF as a purple-colored Mut.
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this
Mets rule You drool why is Sosa pitching the 9th well that means yall are gonna lose HA HA
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 31, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this
formidable…it sounds as if Chipper Jones has acquired the same speech coach as that of former boxer Mike Tyson…and will be aspiring to learn one new “big” word per month by using it at his every opportunity…uh formidable…
By FiestaDave
July 31, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Luis Castillo drool? your three time all star just went 0-4. BIG huge shot in the arm for the offense right? Poor Omar, couldn’t get the job done today and the one deal he does make gets a big goose egg tonight.
Can you say HOLE drool?
Where’s Lo Duca tonight droolie? He’s on the bench, nursing a hammy. Do you think Carlos got him some ice for it? He’s not having to do much lately is he?
Wow, keep em coming, just prove to the world what a tool you are. And a stupid one at that.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
July 31, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this
MetsRule, those little “candies” aren’t sweettarts, pal. Stop taking them. If you think Glavine is going into the hall as a Met, you also probably think that Bonds just worked extra hard to get that body. I have never once heard Glavine say that he enjoys playing for Mets more than the Braves. Perhaps, you have forgotten that Mr. Met, Tom Glavine, was all but set to leave New York and come back home but JS didn’t make an offer to him because the Braves simply didn’t have the money. If the team was owned by Liberty Media then, Glavine would be a Brave right now. I hate to break it to you, but Glavine is there for the cash. Also, you talk about all your prospects staying. Well, what are you going to do next season when Glavine retires, El Duque is hauled off to the home, Delgado won’t be able to get out of the bed, and LoDuca is gone because your great GM really doesn’t want him there? Oh, that’s right. You will be busy making trades to fill your holes and will have to use those prospects to do it.
By A.J.
July 31, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this
So David, I was never convinced that we’d get an Arroyo deal done, but I was sure hoping.
What kept that one from going through? Were we not willing to part with Escobar and Reyes? Or was that (as reported by others) what we were actually offering? Was there just not enough time after the other two deals to really convince Krivsky to do it? Or did the Reds just decide that Arroyo was too affordable to part with if they could compete at all next season?
I’d still be interested in him in the offseason if they decide to sell then, he’s just so cheap and I don’t really ever see him because just plain crappy like a Brett Tomko or anything. The dude is at least solid and on the best day is pretty dang good.
I have to say as much as I did want him I’m glad to keep Escobar, just because having him gives us one place where we can plug in a young guy to keep costs down. It’s a shame that that will probably lead us to letting go of Edgar, because he’s so good, but it does make good sense.
What do you think are the odds of us landing anyone worthwhile in the waiver market? Do you have any examples of the kind of guy that could be available?
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this
Mets rule You drool o yeah don’t look now cause yall fixen to lose!!!!! HA HA
By dave
July 31, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
Glavine won 242 games as a brave and 2 cy youngs, world series MVP. what has he done with the mets? and btw 2B isnt only mets hole. the pen doesnt look good other than Heilman,Wagner, and maybe Feliciano. Delgado is old, Beltran is injured, and you got two scrap OFs. at the beginning of the season you were supposed to be the powerhouse offense, but you are 9th in the NL in runs scored. quite sad.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this
I havent heard Glavine wants to go into the Hall Of Fame as a Met”
Beause you probably don’t have a TV - hillbilly. Hhahahahaha!!! Tommy bleeds blue and orange eveyone knows it.
And watch as Sosa gets us out of this mess, and then we come back to win it - see I’ve got the stones to predict it. Unlike you sackless cowards!!!!!!! Hahahahahaha!!!!
By chrisklob
July 31, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
Mets Troll, let’s see…. You’re wrong so I’m a jerk, is that how that works? Is that the best you got? How disappointing. You’re a soft, weak, sorry excuse for a Met’s fan. Hey, isn’t it past your bedtime already?
By Austin
July 31, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
Mets rule You drool are you stupid or mentally retarded? Castillo is a “speedster” with 9 SB and bad knees. He really added some pop to you lineup with his 0 HR and 18 RBI and 15 XBH.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this
You got told!!!! Biatches!!!! Hows that taste! Sosa is hoodiney, and now you know it too.
Which one of you rubes want to bet the Amazins come back and DOMINATE!!!!!!!!
Say something now, not after the fact, jerks.
By N8
July 31, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this
Mets rule You drool
Are you retarded, A.D.D. or both?
Either way, your really f*cking annoying.
By Todd A
July 31, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this
“After all, Denny Neagle was a waiver trade, if I recall correctly.”
Correct,N8.We acquired Neagle the 3rd week of august in 1996.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this
Oh yeah, Wright gets walked to start off the inning. 2-0 on Delgado - time to get a chnage of underwear rubes!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
July 31, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
We must not have an age requirement for this blog. If we did Mets rule… wouldn’t be allowed to participate.
By dave
July 31, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
if the mets win tonight its gonna because wise throw’s nothing but balls and he gives you the game. just like how the dodgers OF gave you a game, and Armando Benitez did too.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
Come on now biatches 1 and 2 no one out…who is going to stand up like i did and predict something.
Who is going to grow a sack out there…
Judging by how well you defend you’er home field my guess would be
ZERO!!!!!!
hahahahahaha!!!!!
By FiestaDave
July 31, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No drool, it has to be YOUR stones. You have none at all, after all, if you did, you’d have been here to face the music one of the 46 times you’ve tasted the agony of defeat this year. At least Metro Man does, he’s man enough, but not you tool.
Sosa just delayed the inevitable drool the tool.
And don’t hang your hopes on Glavine going in as a Met tool. There’s a reason he still lives in the ATL and he’s building a new house here. Put down the bong! Your worse than that sad pathetic DAD guy.
Time to go drool, don’t forget to have your nametag on straight in the morning, it’s a requirement at McD’s.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this
Lets see the Braves get a ONE TIME all-start first baseman and its hug news.
Omar lands a 3X all star 2B and the liberal media barely cover it.
Thats cool it just makes the Met more of a family but it sucks that CNN decides who made good deals and who didnt’ - we’ll see.
By dave
July 31, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this
right back at you f*, game continues. whatkind of name is the Metropolitans for a team. sounds like a bunch of chodes
By bravesfan
July 31, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this
Muts rule You drool o man 1st and 2nd nobody out and you don’t score with those Amazins come on
By FiestaDave
July 31, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did you call Alou’s double play too drool?
How about Damien Easley’s strikeout?
What a tool.
Hey, bet you guys wish you had Julio Franco tonight. He had an RBI single for us. Best part about it drool, he’s getting paid by the mets to drive in runs for us.
How’s that taste tool?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
By Bob
July 31, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this
Mets Drool,
Well as usual you are wrong. No runs this time. You talk about talking now not later. Why should we do that? You are doing it enough and your batting average is lower than Delgado’s. Hear footsteps???
By dave
July 31, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this
i predict you live in your mom’s basement
By Chop Chop
July 31, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this
YES! WE’VE FOUND IT! IT HAS FINALLY HAPPENED! THE MOST INEPT POST IN THE HISTORY OF THE MIB/BRAVES BLOG!
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this
Lets see the Braves get a ONE TIME all-start first baseman and its hug news.
Omar lands a 3X all star 2B and the liberal media barely cover it.
Thats cool it just makes the Met more of a family but it sucks that CNN decides who made good deals and who didnt - well see.
(I hope that this is somebody just doing this for s** and giggles. Otherwise, I fear for this world.)
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this
Hahahahahahaha!!!! The Amazins take it into the 11th…we have no quit.
Mets! Mets! Mets!
Let’s go Mets!!!!!!
By Efrim
July 31, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this
Cole Rohrbough struck out 6 in 3 innings while giving up 3 runs on a home run. The home run was the only hit Rohrbough gave up. He also walked two. Rohrbough has 58 strikeouts with 7 walks in 33.1 innings. 20 hits allowed.
By FiestaDave
July 31, 2007 11:49 PM | Link to this
Ohhhh drool, you are just too funny tonight.
your 3X all star second basemen, who’s oh fer tonight. Yeah, will Willie Randolph be sending his bat AND his cleats to Coopertown after the game to commemorate his evening in Milwaukee?
Ooooooo, maybe they’ll ask for Lastings Milledge’s batting glove since he went 0-5.
Get used to this drool, this is your future.
Peace out!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
By dave
July 31, 2007 11:49 PM | Link to this
are you seriously trying to compare luis castillo and mark texiera? you dont have the balls to admit that the braves outdid the mets at the deadline.
By Kodypie
July 31, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
Regarding the recent history of Braves trades, was it DOB who said recently that the only player we’ve traded away who we missed was Jason Schmidt? Or was it a blogger? Well, I’ve certainly missed Jermaine Dye.
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this
Let’s go Mets.We have so many fan we could easily own this blog - come on Met fans - speak up. Met’s rule. Braves a-suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhk!!!
Hahahahhaahahaha.
Seriously, come Met fans, let’s own this blog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By TexasBrave
July 31, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this
About tomorrow night’s lineup. I am sure we all hope that BC bats Tex fourth, but were will he place AJ? I hope it is not 5th or teams will just pitch around Tex to get to Andruw. The right thing to do is bat him 6th (actually the right thing to do is bat him 8th but we all know that’s not happening). So with AJ moving down the line up we now need to move KJ to the top of the lineup.
KJ, Rent, Chip, Tex, McCann, AJ, Frenchy, Harris verses RHP’s
Escobar, Rent, Chip, Tex, Frenchy, AJ, McCann and Diaz verses LHP’s
By chrisklob
July 31, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this
Mets Drool, why do you need a change of underwear? ARe yours full of man juice already?
By dave
July 31, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this
oh and i do remember a few blogs back you were talking about how the braves wouldnt get tex, and how omar would get him. Good Call bud, did your stones tell you that?
By dave
July 31, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this
oh and i do remember a few blogs back you were talking about how the braves wouldnt get tex, and how omar would get him. Good Call bud, did your stones tell you that? and i predict Sele will blow the game
By Mets rule You drool
July 31, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this
A guy who had a good year/ club house disease = Doucheiria.
3X All Star = Castillo
Yay. We’re the Braves we’re great!
By N8
July 31, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this
Nope drool, your Mets are gonna play 16 innings tonight, and it will destroy the rest of the week for the bullpen.
How’s that gonna taste? Like some sh!tty NY pizza, I’m sure.
By HP
July 31, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this
Mets Drool: I recommend you to go to Doctor so they can prescribe you the drug called Adderall, so you can develop your brain and help you gain some useful knowledge about baseball. Please do go to doctor immediately!!!!
By Mets rule You drool
August 1, 2007 12:03 AM | Link to this
Oh Noooooooooooo! Biatches!!!!! Here come The Amazin’s oncea gain!
Here it comes…once again, any sackless Baves fans want to COMMITT TO A PREDICTION.
By gotigers72
August 1, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this
DOB - Hush your mouth about Edgar not being a Brave next year. That man can flat play the game of baseball, and he has been the heart of the Braves this year. Truthfully, where would they be without him this year?
Did you see Teixeira’s face? God did he look happy. Going from a last place team to the middle of a pennant race. Any player worth their salt wants to play in the glare of a pennant race. I would bet he’ll be clutch. He sure is happy to be here, no doubt about that!
Please Bobby, bat Teixeira in the cleanup spot and move that .215 hitter down A FEW spots in the order. Francoeur is raking right now, put him 5th. My prediction. If Teixeira hits cleanup, Chipper will win the batting title. He’s raking now, think what he’ll do if he gets more pitches to hit.
By TLJ
August 1, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this
Mets Drool,
I got that right didn’t I? It must be really sad to have no friends and it’s obvious girls have no interest in you. Your whole existence depends on you’re getting on the internet and posting messages, which shows your insecurities.
My guess is you are in your mid to late 20’s, live at home with your mother and have no job. Your mother would kick you out except she can’t. You suffer from depression and the only thing that keeps you going is getting on the internet. People will not chat with you on a regular chat line so you get on a sport blog where most people are welcome.
You blame the world for everything bad that has happened to you. In reality you are the blame all of your bad luck. You have tried counseling but unfortunately the shrink asked you not to come back.
The only friend you have is your computer and the internet. You are one sick puppy that’s needs a lot of help. Unfortunately, I do not know of anyone that would be willing to talk with you. Some of us laugh at you, other skip to the next post but most of us simply ignore you. So go back into your closet, turn off the light and type away.
By N8
August 1, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this
dave
“i predict you live in your moms basement”
Dude, you are WAAAAY off. The basement?
This dude more than likely sleeps in the same bed as his mom. That way when he’s thirsty, he’s closer to the teet.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I’m a tool….. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
August 1, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
This just in The Braves added another part to the trade for Tex.
They must have traded the A Team of bloggers who are usually on this site. I can’t read anymore. I haven’t read any decent info at all tonight.
By Mets rule You drool
August 1, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this
Mets are the team of destiny watch and find out. Suckahhhhhhhs!
By Bob
August 1, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this
Guys, lets not be too mean to the Drooler tonight. After all, we won’t be hearing from him much more this year. He is only on our blog when the Mets are doing well, which explains his long absences since May. He told us one time that it was because he was out of town on business, but now we know that cannot be true. What business would hire a guy with his IQ? Well, then again maybe he works for Omar in the Mets front office.
By pH
August 1, 2007 12:12 AM | Link to this
I am met fan coming to the atlanta blogweb to conradulate on texshera. you traded much too much to acquire him when he will sign with us after this season as free agent as well as alex rodreguez. then omar trade reyes, wright and castillo back to minnesota for santana and maurer. enjoy the east in 2007 because mets will when next year at least 60% of their games
By Mets rule You drool
August 1, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this
Biatches!!!!! Will you all come out and admit your an idiot when Miller strikes out - I’m calling it - where aer you sackless nation?
By chrisklob
August 1, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this
The only thing that’s Amazin’ is the depths of your stupidity and immaturity.
But what the he11, I’ve got enough sack to stand up here and give you my prediction. I am not afraid. Of course, I know that when it comes true you won’t be anywhere to be found to congratulate me on it but here goes anyway.
chrisklob’s prediction: Braves win the NL East.
There I said it. Come back the first week of September and we can discuss it again — if you’ve got the sack for it. I’ll be here. Even if it doesn’t come true.
Now, why don’t you crawl back into momma’s basement for the next eight weeks and leave this blog to people that are actually knowledgable about the game.
By N8
August 1, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this
“Here it comes once again, any sackless Baves fans want to COMMITT TO A PREDICTION.”
Here’s my prediction:
At some point you will get your a$$ kicked in Jr. High. After the 26th time this happens, you will go postal at your school. You’ll attempt to shoot up the place, in which you will fail. Why? Because that’s what the Mets do, and you worship the Mets, so it’s destiny.
After spending your high school years being taught by the “teachers” at Bellvue, you will be released into the real world, where you will find Omar Minaya and attempt to strangle him for “ruining your life” with all of the failure that the Mets made you endure during his tenure as GM.
For which you will be sent to prison. Where your a$$ will become a love toy for eternity. How’s THAT gonna taste?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
13th inning coming up. Boy o Boy. That bullpen sure is gonna be FRESH later on this week huh?
Ours? It will be rested due to our 12-4 wupping on the Astros and our two new relievers that have had a couple days off.
How’s that taste?
By Mets rule You drool
August 1, 2007 12:20 AM | Link to this
Okay, everyone feel free to talk tough now that you know what happened…like Dr. susse character does when I say Im no longer around - The Amazin Mets will win…come on met fans lets take over this blog!!! Let the Mets be heard -c come on you know there are a bunch of you touthere.
Alou on 1st no ono out…are you all signing off now?
By Mets rule You drool
August 1, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this
n8- nice autobiography…were ther etiny little girl tears in your eyes when you finally got honest???
By Marty
August 1, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this
*Lets see the Braves get a ONE TIME all-start first baseman and its hug news.
Omar lands a 3X all star 2B and the liberal media barely cover it.
Thats cool it just makes the Met more of a family but it sucks that CNN decides who made good deals and who didnt - well see.*
So…hmm…let’s see here…
I guess your point is that if the, uh, conservative media were involved, we would all have heard about the Mets’ signing of a retread second baseman who no longer runs or hits? Actually, I did hear about it, and the particular “liberal media” member whose story I read said that if this were the Castillo of five years ago, this would be a great trade, but that since it isn’t, it isn’t.
By N8
August 1, 2007 12:29 AM | Link to this
pH
“I am met fan coming to the atlanta blogweb to conradulate on texshera. you traded much too much to acquire him when he will sign with us after this season as free agent as well as alex rodreguez. then omar trade reyes, wright and castillo back to minnesota for santana and maurer. enjoy the east in 2007 because mets will when next year at least 60% of their games”
Just another retarded New Yorker on his computer for the evening rather than spending it with a woman. Spell check would do you some good, son.
Oh…btw….Taixsharria (or however your dumba$$ spelled it), isn’t a free agent until AFTER the 2008 season, so if Minaya can manage to sign him after this year, he should change his sir name to Copperfield.
Day after day, it appears as though John Rocker may have been right. What a sad world when one has to agree with that idiot.
By bravesfan
August 1, 2007 12:29 AM | Link to this
Mets rule You drool ok I will make a prediction BREWERS WIN 3 to 2 game OVER now shut the HECK up
By parks
August 1, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
3.5 back
By Chop Chop
August 1, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
Uh-oh!
By Roll Tide
August 1, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this
Brewers win 4-2 after Jenkins homers to finish the game. 3.5 games back now. Here we come Mets!
By Im a big braves fan
August 1, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this
Yay!!!!!! Now were only 3.5 games behind. I wouldnt get to excited the Mets are a way better team. Just glad we got a game back tonight…yay! we finally got a game back!!!!!!!
By Bob
August 1, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
Drooler time for bed boy. Lets see, not only did you just get whupped, but you got to use your pen like we did last week. Have a good night sleep and don’t have too many nightmares. Hahahahahaha
By Marty
August 1, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
In case anyone wasn’t paying attention, the Mets just lost.
Just three and a half games back, and Teixeira hasn’t even played yet. Knock, knock.
By Sir Stealth
August 1, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
Good times
By chrisklob
August 1, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
By Mets Drool, your Amazins just got BEAT! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How’s that taste?
By fastasballs
August 1, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
Has this blog ever been graced by anyone dumber than Muts Drool? I lost track of the misspelled words & garbled grammar.
The only stones you have are the ones your Momma confiscated years ago. Didn’t you tell us Minaya would get any player he wanted because the Muts have all the money in the world? The Braves had the biggest blockbuster trade in baseball. How’s that taste? Like Momma does?
Your over-the-hill gang isn’t going to cut it. They are breaking down every day almost. Milledge will be in prison by the time next season rolls around, he’s a real winner. Typical person the New York trash would covet.
Your only wrong about 95% of the trash you spill in here. Even most Muts fans would not even claim your sorry arse.
Muts just LOST, HOW’S THAT TASTE? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
The Tex era has begun. Watch the greast offensive show in the NL as they pass you by within the next three weeks.
By HP
August 1, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this
Mets Drool: You can sign off now since Milwaukee has just won the game. Loser!!!!
By jon
August 1, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this
Okay, everyone feel free to talk tough now that you know what happened like Dr. susse character does when I say Im no longer around - The Amazin Mets will win come on met fans lets take over this blog!!! Let the Mets be heard -c come on you know there are a bunch of you touthere.
Alou on 1st no ono out are you all signing off now?
what were you saying idiot?!?! get the hell of this blog! Different story when your team actually plays someone worth a damn
By TexasBrave
August 1, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this
Geoff Jenkins 2 run home run. Muts LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Dave
August 1, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this
how you like that b***. i predicted sele would blow it and he did. go Sulk some more f*. ONE TO NOTHIN!!!!
By Im a big braves fan
August 1, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this
glad we finally won one, but I have to admit Im stil afraid of the Mets - that line up is a death row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By N8
August 1, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this
Ohh….wad’s da madder? Is da drool boy gonna cwy?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Geoff Jenkins WALK OFF 2 RUN HR!
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
And who started the rally? That’s RIGHT! Ex-Brave Tony Graffinino.
How’s that taste a-hole!?
How’s about you stick that loss up your a$$ and smoke it?
Been fun talking to you, but I think I heard your mommy yelling that she just got done “pumping”. Go get something to drink, those TOUGH losses can dry up the throat.
How’d that trade for Castillo work out for you?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH….. I’m a Tool …… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH….. Who likes to drool…. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What an idiot.
By bravesfan
August 1, 2007 12:38 AM | Link to this
O wait what is that…. 4 to 2 man that great lineup(NOT) can’t score more than 2 runs in 13 innings. o that 3 time all star 1 for 5 o yeah he is way better than Tex NOT!!!!!!
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 1, 2007 12:39 AM | Link to this
My question is this : Fred McGriff or shades of A.J. Pierzynski ? Do we end up With a World Championship or do we get to watch one or two of the seven youngsters we just traded get fitted for a ring ala Jermaine Dye/Adam Wainwright ? Is this the greatest trade that Schuerholz has ever made or will it eclipse Len Barker like a lunar event ? only time will tell , so enjoy the ride Braves denizens , this Braves fan sure as hell will.
By chrisklob
August 1, 2007 12:39 AM | Link to this
bravesfan, you were wrong. Brewers won 4-2. Nice call.
Hey Mets Tool, HOW”S THAT TASTE????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
By Dave
August 1, 2007 12:40 AM | Link to this
speaking of holes, i ripped you a new one
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 1, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this
Looks like it’s about time for DOB to pull the plug on that idiot who is claiming to represent the Metropolitans as a fan…“own the blog”…what a formidable goal!…
It also appears as though the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene has evidently let a hard case slip through the cracks when it comes to that A$sClown!…
Now baseball—Padres have hired Wally Joyner as hitting coach…I wonder if he will be coaching their hitters on how to “hit a vein” when shooting roids into their systems?…
…and METROPOLITANS LOSE!!!…
By bravesfan
August 1, 2007 12:47 AM | Link to this
chrisklob so what Muts still lost so it doesn’t matter
By bravessucktonight
August 1, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this
Good game and moves tonight, except one really bad error by KJ. I guess he made up for it with 2 homers. A couple weeks ago I was writing in during a really bad game, Huddy was pitching poorly and there was really bad defense. I ranted and raved and looked later and my post had been deleted! Who is doing the deleting and why? We can’t have any ranting or negative views expressed? Is this Russia?
By Mitchie-san
August 1, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this
Oh this is a great day to be a Braves fan. I couldnt be happier. Salty and the others might,MIGHT become great but it wont matter. Texieria is already great.
Did anyone else hear the whooshing sound as all Mets fans rear ends puckered at the ame time? I heard it in Japan…..
Go Braves!
By Bob
August 1, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
Night folks. I think we will see very little of the drooler in the future. He has this tendancy to make all those incoherent remarks until the results come in. N8 is right…he is in bed with mommy now.
By metsnationdrooltoolfool
August 1, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
YEAH! this is mets nation answering your call metstroll! i mean drool. mean rool!!! We ARE the team of destiny!!! Allstars 3 times baby! Not once!! HAHAHAHAHAHA CNN got it wrong baby!! We had the best trade. Rally around metsrule, mets nation, we finally have a strong leader! WOOOOOO!!! HAHAHA YEah! And pizza!!! Glavine loves NY PIZZA so you braves losers know thats why hes going into the hall as a METT!! WOOOHOOO!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! All you braves suckas better watch out because Im predicting a win tonight…wait…what? we lost?? You know the drill METSNATION- BACK INTO THE CAVES!! ahhhhhh!!!!……
By Mets tool likes to drool
August 1, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
did i say they were a death row? oh i meant they were on death row. they are so old im getting worried i hope omar can dish out some more money and grab somebody. omars the man! he’ll trade pelfrey for arod straight up, and then we’ll milledge and gomez for Carlos Lee and Roy Oswalt. We’ll Dominate! ::splooge::
HOWS THAT TASTE HAHAHA!!HAHAHA!!
By David
August 1, 2007 12:51 AM | Link to this
Team of Destiny!!!!! Instead of losing the lead they get a ground rule double then the Amazins take care of business (2nd and 3r only one out). You see stuff like that and you know its OUR YEAR!!!!
Signed,
Geoff Jenkins
By Tyler
August 1, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this
Funny how he hasnt posted in a while since the mighty muts lost..HAHAHAH.
But he’s right. We are drooling. Drooling over how NASTY our team is.
Our rotation > than theirs. Bullpen = deeper than theirs. First base > than theirs. Second base > than theirs. Shortstop = tossup (Theirs is dynamic but Renteria is consistent). Our third base > than theirs. Left field > than theirs. Center doesn’t count for both teams lol. Right field > than theirs. Catcher > than theirs.
LET’S GO BRAVES!! BRING IT HOME!
By fastasballs
August 1, 2007 12:54 AM | Link to this
I suggest we send a letter to the Muts, signed by DOB & every blog contibutor, thanking the Muts for playing such pathetic baseball during the months of June & July. Without the Muts help, the Braves would be 10 plus games out & I have no doubt we would not have acquired Teixeira or any bullpen help.
The Muts are done, no moves to help the team other than a 2B with declining skills. No help for the tiring pen, what’s wrong with Minaya? You Muts fans really deserve more, LOL.
Was there any real doubt the Muts could maintain their level of play from last year? One year of good ball & then back to a degree of play more indicative of their pathetic existence as a franchise.
Not only is the Muts lack of ability to bury the Braves going to haunt then this year, but next as well.
I love the lefties the Braves picked up for the pen, we all know the Muts can’t hit lefties with a fungo bat. The Braves got stronger while the Muts just go on the DL, one after another like a line of ducks.
Any idea what this line up is going to do to your starters who can’t stike anyone out?
Ah what a great day to be a Braves fan & a Muts hater. Brings back memories of the press box fire & the fire that followed on the field for the next few months.
By The Grinch
August 1, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this
This has indeed been a good day. G’night, all.
By Mets Rule. You Drool
August 1, 2007 1:01 AM | Link to this
I didnt sign off, i just had to wipe my tears before i could respond.
HOWS THAT TASTE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
By Mets Rule. You Drool
August 1, 2007 1:01 AM | Link to this
I didnt sign off, i just had to wipe my tears before i could respond.
HOWS THAT TASTE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ummmm kinda salty. (pun intended)
By Wayne in Utah
August 1, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this
Coach I know exactly what you are saying, but we can live our lives thinking about what might have been, or we can just make the best moves we know TODAY, and let the chips fall where they may.
To me, it is futile to go through the “what-ifs”.
I like to go for it, so I will NEVER criticize JS for going for it. (just so long as he doesn’t trade Hanson….hehehe)
The Corky Miller instead of Brayan Pena move is the one that is a bit puzzling to me??? IF BP is going to become Mr. Super Utility Guy, then we are going to need another backup catcher I guess. Maybe BP will move over and learn to play SS, so we can uncerimoniously drop Woodward.
I hope that if we can’t move Thorman to a team where he will get a shot with less pressure (ala Davies), that we hang onto him for a few days/weeks until we can. I think he is going to be a decent first sacker with decent power for somebody in about 1-2 years.
Goodnight all…..
By Alex
August 1, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this
MutsFOOL I predict a 4-2 Brewers win…oh what do you know, it actually happened!
I feel a 4 game losing streak at least for your over 35 year softball club.
HOW DO YOU LIKE IT NOW, yeah, go sign off and tell your mommy you won’t need to use her computer for a few days!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GET LOST MUTS TROLL, HIDE IN YOUR CAVE and STAY THERE
By Lew
August 1, 2007 1:08 AM | Link to this
Don’t you just love it when the Trolls have it shoved up their…..HAHAHAHAHAHA! Good night.
By Alex
August 1, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this
You know after all of these moves there is absolutely no reason for any Braves fan to not be overwhelmed with excitement about their chances for the rest of the season. You can all worry and complain about the future after the season…but for right now, I don’t see how anyone who is a big enough of a fan of the Braves to post here can not see the proverbial forrest for the trees. JS THREW DOWN THE GAUNTLET!!!! No more cowering Braves trying to win the NL East with matchbook, paper clip, stick of gum and a prayer for the mid-season addition. This team, as currently constructed, is a very legit team…perhaps on paper the strongest in the NL. Like I said, worry about tomorrow, tomorrow….but enjoy today. Wait until the Braves season ends to complain about losing Salty, Harrison, Davies, Etc. However, keep in mind what a trade deadline run like this says…about the new ownership, about JS/Cox’s mindset, etc. This team is going to go out and play to win, be it on the field or in the GM office. This is going to be one great finish to the season!!!
Furthermore…a question about two things DOB:
1) Bobby Cox said on his pregame show that there was one more trade that may or may not have gone through and “might be on the comissioner’s desk”…any idea what that was?
2) Why not move Kelly Johnson and/or Escobar to LF full time next year and keep Renteria? Renteria is a stud and cheap (thank you Theo Epstein!!) and it would allow the Braves to play both KJ and Escobar….then again, I’d only do it with a great CF (hopefully Andruw…but Cameron, Hunter, etc. would work)
By fastasballs
August 1, 2007 1:18 AM | Link to this
The best thing about guys like Tex & Dotel is they WANT to be in Atlanta, they want to be winners. Look at guys like Willie Harris, his heart & desire are far great than his talents, but he has succeeded. A huge reason is wanting to be on that team. Maybe everything has come together to make the run & get back to the WS.
Right now is as high as the Braves roller coaster has climbed this season, it will go higher. Everything seems to be clicking, the offense, starting pitching, trades & hopefully the pen does a 180 degree turn & reverts back to April & May stats.
The only chink in the armor is Andruw & from what I hear he is going to be moved down in the order. I really had my doubts Cox would do it, maybe he wouldn’t if he had his way, who knows & don’t care as long as it happens? Doesn’t make damn in these blow out wins, but the 4-3 loss can very easily be turned into a 5-4 victory with Tex following Chipper. Also with McCann & Frenchy swinging a hot bat Andruw may wind up hitting 7th.
I’ve lost track of all the roster moves. Who’s coming up to catch? Corky Miller? Is that correct? Paronto went down. Salty & Tex swap spots. Ascaino goes back down? Do I have it covered? Bench is Diaz/Harris, Escobar/KJ, Miller, Thorman, Julio, & Woodward.
By David
August 1, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this
i just had to wipe my tears before i could respond.
Get used to that for the rest of the season.
By BravesDave
August 1, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this
I thought Mets Drool was in NYPD custody after killing his mom on Saturday???
Anyway, what a sweet day to be a Braves fan. There have been many over the past 16 years, but this ranks up there in the top 10, I would think. For the first time in quite a few years, the front office was aggressive. Teixiera, Mahay, Dotel, Ring…nice haul for one day. You could see tonight that the whole team was pumped. You could see Teixeira was pumped. What a night. KJ is just unbelievable. I wish this guy could play every day. The kid is an All-Star waiting to happen (not as good as Luis Castillo, though).
Then, to top off the excitement, we get to watch the Mets and Phils lose tough ones tonight.
By David
August 1, 2007 1:27 AM | Link to this
The Corky Miller instead of Brayan Pena move is the one that is a bit puzzling to me?
I strongly suspect it has to do with options. If we bring Pena up, we might not be able to send him down again, which puts us in the same situation as we have with Thorman.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 1, 2007 1:29 AM | Link to this
Fastaballs , the Braves are currently carrying eleven pitchers. Asciano will be sent back to Richmond , Dotel and Mahan will be added to put the Braves back to twelve pitchers. The question is : Teixeira , Franco and Thorman are all first baseman , so who gets the boot ? They just got Teixeira and Julio , would the Braves really put Thorman on waivers or is Woodward gone. I have no idea but it will be interesting to find out.
By BravesDave
August 1, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this
Fastasballs, great point about the Mets playing like chumps for the past two months. If they had been playing well, Homeboy probably doesn’t make these moves as we might have been 14 games out like last season. Great point.
Tomorrow night is going to be fun…except for facing a slop-throwing lefty…which means my man Kelly Johnson will be on the bench. What other team platoons a guy with 12 HRs and 55 RBIs??? I hate it, but man does it speak to the depth on this team right now.
I am so hyped up right now.
By John Adcox
August 1, 2007 1:38 AM | Link to this
To the guy who asked for nicknames…
May I be the first to suggest Don’t Ask, Dotel?
John (Sorry.)
By uga-brave
August 1, 2007 1:40 AM | Link to this
55 games to go, 35-20 should just about do it one way or another. braves are in a good part of their schedule assuming they can take care of business at home.
the one real encouraging sign is francouer ( who i have been critcal of is getting his power stroke back not with just the big fly, but is gapping the ball) he could be the X factor.
if the braves rip off say 9 out of 12, it will be real interesting to see how the mets, and phils respond. i think the injuries to utley and victorino are huge. DOB are you kinda suprised the cubs did not do anything to bolster their bullpen?
By BravesDave
August 1, 2007 1:46 AM | Link to this
Woodward has to be the guy to go. It was great that he played all of the infield positions, but mainly his value was that he could also play first in a pinch, which Escobar cannot. Now that Julio is pretty firmly entrenched as a pinch hitter and backup first baseman, we don’t need another guy who can play first. Julio becomes the first pinch hitter off the bench, Thorman then remains on the bench as the backup first baseman, if one becomes necessary. Remember, Thorman can also play the outfield in a pinch (as he did in the minors). Escobar backs up at SS, 3B, and 2B (platoon with KJ). I think it makes sense. Thorman might be valuable in the offseason. Young, double digit HR backup.
By John Adcox
August 1, 2007 1:47 AM | Link to this
Speaking of getting Johnson in the lineup more often…
If we DO lose Andruw next year, am I the only one who seriously wouldn’t mind an outfield of Johnson, Frenchy, and our current LF platoon, with Escobar starting at second? That would give us a LOT of cash for a starter and a bench….
By MS
August 1, 2007 1:52 AM | Link to this
Joe said on the telecast tonight that the reason for Miller being called up instead of Pena was probably because they felt they didn’t need any more offense now and would be better served with a good defensive backup catcher. Miller has thrown out over 50% of baserunners at Richmond they said. That’s impressive.
David, Pena was up with the Major League team in April, so he’s already used an option for this year when he was sent down then, so that wouldn’t have anything to do with it.
Something else interesting I just realized: excluding interleague play (where they had inarguably the toughest schedule of any team and went 4-11 by my count [@ BOS, MIN, & CLE and at home vs. BOS and DET. Yikes!]) the Braves record is 52-40. That’s a .577 winning percentage, which would give them the best win % in the NL and the 3rd best in all of baseball. That’s encouraging news for the stretch run if you ask me.
By BravesDave
August 1, 2007 1:54 AM | Link to this
Another great thing about this is the timing, too. We get players that change the makeup of the entire team for the better, then face the Astros and Rockies at home. Neither team are pushovers, but it would be nice to get a little psychological bump, play well against the Astros and Rocks, then head into the biggest week of the season so far…6 games against the Mets and Phils…with a nice bit of momentum.
By BravesDave
August 1, 2007 2:05 AM | Link to this
Not change the subject or anything, but there is no one left on the blog anyway. Today got me thinking about the past trades some have metioned. Then I heard tonight that the last Brave with 200 hits in a season was Marquis Grissom (loved him). I went back to refresh my memory about his 1996 stats. We traded him after an unbelievable season…106 runs, .308, 32 doubles, 10 triples, 23 HRs, 74 RBIs and 28 steals. What numbers for a leadoff hitter. Also, Justice put up his best season ever in Cleveland right after the trade. .329 with 33 HRs. Man, we really did get fleeced in that deal.
After that brief departure, back to feeling good.
By uga-brave
August 1, 2007 2:08 AM | Link to this
wyatt earp and the last ride of his immortals. this is it folks the time was right. if we get hot and make it into the postseason who would want to face us.
anyone remember past postseasons, wood, prior. unit, schilling. kevin brown. well now is our chance. smoltz and hudson would be the best tandem in any short series (if healthy.) no other nl contender except the padres have a more dominant 1&2. the tex pick-up is also sure to take some pressure off andruw. the time is now. no exsuses, go out there and string 5 good series in a row and it is there for your taking.
and now for the important part, WE WOULD FINALLY BE THE TEAM WITH MO GOING INTO THE POSTSEASON.
By gant #5
August 1, 2007 2:14 AM | Link to this
Don’t forget Thorman can also play left field, as he did last year. So yes, the Braves would be carrying three first baseman, but Thorman too is somewhat versatile. And Willie and Escobar can play the middle infield and third. So maybe, just maybe, Cox will overlook Woodward’s alleged versatility and send him packing. As for Yates, I believe he is out of options, which is why coming out of Spring Training they decided to stick with him, despite his largely unimpressive Spring. Yates also throws hard and has great stuff when not overused, so it would be a shame if they gave up on and DFA’d him. Mets Drool… you really are patheTic, man. Go away.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 1, 2007 2:56 AM | Link to this
Yates isn’t going anywhere. The Braves have eleven pitchers , they will ship Ascanio back to Richmond , dump a position player (Woodward , Thorman or Julio) and add Dotel/Mahan to the bullpen. The other thing is , Atlanta is probably still shopping for a veteran pitcher. They may still be able to get around the waiver obstacle and add a veteran arm to the rotation. If that happens , the Mets and Phillies can pretty much pack it in because Carlyle and the rookie Reyes are the only soft spot left on the Braves roster.
By bravessucktonight
August 1, 2007 2:59 AM | Link to this
i really enjoyed the aforementioned moment where JS admitted to being the “homeboy upstairs” on TV tonight. Joe Simpson is okay in my book because he pointed it out just as I was thinking the same thing. JS was mentioning that Tex was HIS homeboy from Baltimore so he addressed him as such when they spoke today…way to go Joe. BTW Chip is somewhat irritating with the “Chicalgo” & StL references, but he is less irritating than Skip and just plain better at announcing, so just my opinion. And yeah, maybe AJ would really be best batting 8th! And keep Rent next year for Christsakes…the Grissom deal still pi$$es me off. Even if he is worth more after a great season, have some nads and keep the backbone vet of the team.
By jbutler70
August 1, 2007 3:04 AM | Link to this
Did anyone see the replay from the Yankees game?? I was crying I was laughing so hard…ARod is still trying to get his big HR. He hit 4 to the wall, all caught right before they went over. But…the rest of the team hit 8…8…8!!!! home runs. There was one dude that hit 2!! Hilarious. He looked like he needed a handful of Tums.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 1, 2007 3:09 AM | Link to this
The late night brain teaser is in order. The Braves are carrying 44 players on the 40 man. How is that possible , I know the answer , do you ?
By Pierce
August 1, 2007 3:27 AM | Link to this
Mets Drool:
First off i can’t figure out a good reasoning why I am waisting my time replying to ill-spoken child who seems to like the mets but…why not.
Teixera creates buzz, wether that is for Atlanta or any other team baseball. When you marked as the premiere trade deadline piece on the market, everyone is going to talk about it.
Luis Castillo, who is a good ballplayer, is past his prime and really just an average name. He can create headaches for opposing defenses with his slaptastic hitting approach but he is not going to burn you too often. He is a good replacement for New York at this point in time, but he is nothing to write home about.
CNN really has nothing to do with this seeing as how they really dont cover “baseball”, i was other the assumption that they were pretty well tied up in other news topics.
The fact of the matter here in whole is that the braves no represent a threat to the mets and the phillies. The last thing that ol minaya thought was that the usually “conservative” braves management, would actually go out and attack the trade market.
If i was a mets fan….a real mets fan with real understanding of the game. This frightens the hell out of me, and those are the guys that are not on here posting random comments and flooding the board with useless statements and a bevy of pure BS.
By Serbok
August 1, 2007 3:36 AM | Link to this
mr baseball is the glass half empty or is it half??????????????????????????
By Serbok
August 1, 2007 3:50 AM | Link to this
Seρor Blanco Cacca De Toro’?
By GermanBravesFan
August 1, 2007 6:31 AM | Link to this
Just wondering: will the Braves be able to keep Andruw now that they got Texeira (who will make a ton through arbitration)?
By chrisklob
August 1, 2007 6:56 AM | Link to this
bravesfan, I wasn’t trying to be a jerk to you. I was congratulating you on predicting the win for the Brewers!
By MS
August 1, 2007 7:44 AM | Link to this
Wow! Tex arrives in the dugout last night and the fans go wild. What excitement! The camera shots for the rest of the game in the dugout were great. It looked like he has been here all the time. Way to go John Schuerholz!
By ncscoots
August 1, 2007 7:57 AM | Link to this
Well, on the surface, Schuerholz appears to have overpaid in every respect, but, what the hey, that’s life at the deadline, no? Besides, I’m sure my bud Grinch is pleased that Davies is gone, and, if he be happy, how may I be sad? :-)
I can only imagine what the blog was like in the last few weeks, and especially the last few days. A feeding frenzy. Christmas Day at the orphanage. Me with the mailing wrapper on my SI swinsuit issue. In no configuration a pretty sight, LOL.
And, while I’m sure most bloggers feel the Braves got the Radio Flyer AND the Red Ryder, it’s been my experience that, once you’ve ripped the packaging from the prize, you still have to deal with the litter: Willie Harris getting leadoff ABs, Andruw’s continuing problems, Corky Miller (!), James-Carlyle-Reyes pitching 3-4 days a week, a taxed and/or struggling bullpen.
It’s always a temptation to rush right out and play with the new toys, but Mama always made me clean up the mess first. Hope the Braves will subscribe to the same policy.
By Patrick
August 1, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this
DOB, Excited about this year, but these trades are short term and expensive. What do you think next year’s Braves will look like? Do you think the new ownership will pony up the money for Andrew while paying Tex his big bucks? I haven’t heard from anywhere how much the new ownership is willing to put into the payroll.
By ssiscribe
August 1, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this
SOUTHSIDE SUBURBS — As the sun rises this morning, it shines its light on a Braves New World, a world in which the Atlanta Braves have been transformed.
Much like a sports car hitting on only five cylinders, the Braves have been shored up, improved, even remade by a flurry of moves during the trade deadline. The end result? Out of the garage rolls an honest-to-goodness World Series championship contender.
Mark Teixeira gets a standing ovation for merely walking into the dugout. The Gold Glove slugger practically gushed during a televised interview last night. Octavio Dotel moved to Atlanta and lives here in the offseason. The hard-throwing righty reportedly was so excited, John Schuerholz said he had trouble understanding the reliever when the two chatted.
That speaks nothing of the vibe running through the team they join, a franchise routinely criticized for sealing the deal only once, 12 long autumns ago.
That speaks nothing of the excitement running through the fan base, a group criticized nationwide for not selling out playoff games, for waving foam tomahawks at opponents, for being viewed as apathetic.
August begins with the Braves 3.5 games behind the first-place Mets in the NL East, a half-game behind the Phillies for second. But really, after the past 48 hours, is there any doubt who is the front-runner for the division title?
This is the Braves’ race to lose, and if they lose it on the field, the critics will line up and have a field day.
But the feeling here is they won’t lose it. This team in its original construction was good enough to win the East and compete for the NL pennant. Injuries, the disappearance of Andruw Jones at the plate for three months, along with the black hole that developed in the back side of the starting rotation, would have sent many teams careening down the side of the cliff.
Not the Braves. They were good to begin with, built to contend.
And now? They are great, built to win, and win right now.
The beauty in all of this is, yes, the Braves gave up a tremendous amount of potential talent. But only two — Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Kyle Davies — had contributed at the major-league level (and no, that meat fastball Wil Ledezma threw Friday night in the desert does not count as a major-league contribution).
The Braves looked at their chips, and realized putting some of them on the table was necessary in order to have a realistic shot at winning the jackpot.
So while we say good luck Salty, we wish Kyle Davies success, we hope Elvis and Harrison and the former Dawg Startup and the rest of the folks heading elsewhere fare well, the farm system remains stocked. The kids down there will grow, and some of them will eventually push for playing time in Atlanta.
That’s the future. The present is now, and the goal is in clearer focus than it has been in years. Every team leaves spring training with the objective of winning the World Series. But the Braves have taken a tremendous step forward, and the conversation about which team will win the championship this fall now must include the Braves.
August is here. The race is on, and the Braves are front and center in the lead pack. For a franchise that’s spent the past eight years trying to get back to the World Series — and for its passionate fan base — it’s the beginning of what may be one of the most exciting rides in team history.
Buckle up.
The Scribe abides.
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By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 1, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
I have a question…..IF Thorman was DFA, I know he can be traded within the 10 day window…but, since it’s past July 31st, could a team claim him on waivers that wasn’t interested in him, just wanted to keep say the Yankees and Braves from consummating a trade???
By Will
August 1, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
Nice to see the offense break out two games in a row, hoping we are actually going to see some consistency from here on out? I dont understand how anyone can say the Texieria trade was a bad idea, i was not for it at first, nor was i for trading Salty, but the fact he will be here next year is a key part of the trade, especially with Andruw Jones out the door. We will see how Dotel fairs, that was a good move too, but he is injury prone and tends to struggle in the 2nd half, but all in all it was well worth it, especially since i never have to see Kyle Davies in a braves uniform ever again.
By chrisklob
August 1, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this
Berigan, yes that could happen but it wouldn’t happen because they didn’t want a Yankees/Brave trade to occur but because they didn’t want Thor to go to the Yankees.
By ACB
August 1, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this
What do you think next years Braves will look like?
Patrick, Live in the NOW, man.
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 1, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this
ssiscribe I also live in the SOUTHSIDE SUBURBS!!! I need to look out the window, you make everything sound so very wonderful! ;)
I have to hand it to you guys, I still don’t like the trade because of who we gave away, but the excitement you all are radiating….well, it makes me a little less bitter, and perhaps even hopeful about the rest of this season! Keep it up!
By Anders
August 1, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
ssiscribe - It’s the Braves race to lose? Are you aware that not one Met regular is playing at or above their normal level and they’re still 3 1/2 games ahead? I’m not saying that it can’t be a race but clearly if even half the Mets regulars (especially the two Carloses) start to produce they will pull away from the pack you mentioned. The Mets have not played well in two months and they’re still in front. Sooner or later they will win 10 out of 12 or so and wether it’s a race or not will depend on if the Braves can keep pace. I believe the Braves bettered themselves yesterday, at a hefty price, but I think Braves fans haven’t been following the Mets close enough to understand how much the Mets have under achieved. All good teams have hot streaks in them which the Mets haven’t seen since May. If it doesn’t happen then the East will be up for grabs - Watch the Phillies too. They don’t have near the pitching but if the division comes down to September a big offensive team could swing their way into the playoffs.
By Will
August 1, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this
Anders, I spent a long time telling myself that the Mets were gonna leave the Braves in the dust at some point, but i dont see it anymore. Braves have underachieved just as much as the Mets, sorry to break that to you. I just night in and night out see your Mets continue to lose baseball games, they are reeling. By the way, good luck with Carlos Beltran producing from the DL. The underachieving combined with the injuries that is a perfect combination for not making the playoffs. Also, dont hold your breath on Delgado just breaking out cause its August and he is still struggling to produce his usual numbers.
By NCBravesFan
August 1, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this
Gee Anders, do you understand that our #4 hitter has hit .215 this year? Or that we’ve gotten squat from the first base position? Or that one of our three bullpen arms blew out a few weeks into the season?
And yet we are solidly in the race.
No one can predict the future, and what looks good on paper doesn’t always translate into what happens on the field (just ask the Phillies).
But on paper, the Braves would seem to have assembled the necessary pieces to overtake the Mets and contend for the World Series.
Oh, and Jorge Sosa and the rest of your mediocre pitching staff has not underachieved.
By JasonInMaine
August 1, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this
What was the announced attendance last night? I hope the Ted is rocking tonight! I wish the game was at least on TBS so I could watch Tex’s debut ):
This is the first and last year without the baseball package!
Our lineup is sick…KJ batting 8th (well, he should be leading off…)? I wonder if BC will move Andruw to 7th? Most likely not…
Anyway, I hope Buddy pitches well tonight, Tex homers in his debut, and Cormier keeps on pitching well in Richmond! Here we come October!
Regards,
Jason
By Lucas...
August 1, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
Anders: How are they not playing at thier level? Beltran is a .260-.275 hitter. He just had a good year last year. LoDuca always has a down year after a good year. Just look it up. Wright and Reyes are doing what they are expected to do, and Delgado is only .014 points lower than he finished last year. How are the Mets not playing at thier expected level? Please elaborate…
If anything, the mets pitchers are playing way far and away above thier heads. Maine is having a career year. He is a good number three, I will admit that, but a 12-5 season? That will never happen again. Don’t even get me started on Jorge Sosa. His 4.48 ERA is equal to anyother pitcher having a 2.16 ERA. This guy is horrible and if pitched half as bad for the mets as he did ATL last year, he would have cost you 7 games at least. El Duque is old and Oliver Perez was pretty much given away by the Pirates. He was good once, he is decent now, but still is doing better than his current “level”.
Before you start taking up for the mutts atleast know what you are talking about.
WE have our cleanup hitter batting .214. We lost our shut down lefty and #3 starter for the year due to injury. Our first basemen have hit about .020 points HIGHER than your pitchers this year so far. Our young all-star catcher is having a down year(well, kinda). You can make excuses all you want. Every team can.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
Will - I agree with you on the two Carloses. Beltran is an enigma. When he’s hot no one looks more natural playing the game, when he’s not no one looks more disinterested. Plus he can’t play through a hang nail. But we own him and you just hope he gets hot enough to help. Delgado may very well be done. Huge holes in his swing. My point is that if a few of these guys get hot at the same time I think it will be enough to pull away. As for the Braves Chipper, Renteria, Diaz, Harris, Francoeur, Escobar are all hitting over .300. Johnson at .290 You have 6 guys with 50 or more RBI. As a whole thats pretty good production. I think Cox is making the most with what he has. Tex will help that but I don’t see Dotel making that much of an impact. He reminds me of Flash Gordon - good stuff but the bigger the moment the harder he tries to throw - the ball straightens out and HR’s result. To be fair, Wagner has a touch of that too.
By Lucas...
August 1, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
NCBravesFan: We must be on the same wave length or something….
“Hopefully I’m going to get him pitches to hit,” Teixeira said. “Sometimes your three-hole hitter is only as good as your four-hole hitter. Hopefully I’m going to get Chipper some protection, get some RBIs myself, hit some home runs…” Tex said this yesterday. I like it. I’m glad he doesn’t have some bland personality and is quiet.
By David
August 1, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
I think Braves fans havent been following the Mets close enough to understand how much the Mets have under achieved.
To the contrary, it’s the people who have paid attention who know the situation here. The Mets have a team of underachieving players, just as they have had so many times before. Meanwhile, the Braves have only one player getting significant appearances (Andruw) who shows no signs of improvement and was not upgraded. Soriano and Wickman would have been others to qualify, but we’ve added to the cavalry for them.
As such, the Braves got night and day better yesterday (at a cost I am uncomfortable with our paying long term) while the Mets got a 2B with bad knees. There is a reason why analysts were so surprised the Mets did nothing. They needed help but didn’t get it. If this were a prize fight, the Mets would be slightly ahead on points in round 8, but the Braves would be throwing the crisper, more impacting punches.
I run a Web site that includes four die-hard Mets fans. All of them are bitter about the events of the past 36 hours, because they see the writing on the wall. Omar Minaya cost you guys the division yesterday.
By Salty
August 1, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this
Anders When hes hot no one looks more natural playing the game, when hes not no one looks more disinterested.
Sounds like someone on the Braves, too!
By Will
August 1, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
Anders, I tend to agree with you on Dotel, the two leftys are bigger moves the braves made. I have no problem with the Dotel trade, but i know he is injury prone and hittable. The head to head matchups between the top of the NL East teams are gonna be some pretty intense. With the Mets this year, i see alot of the Braves last year. Its like you keep watching and waitng and waiting and waiting for them to break out and win 10 out of 12, but it just never happened. I just think the Mets are staggering so badly, 3 1/2 games can be gone in a week and i am not even saying it will be the Braves who overtake them. The Phillies are gonna be there to the end as well. If the Braves can finally start winning games with the 3,4,5 starters they will win the division. Its funny that James pitches great several times lately and loses or gets a no decsion, then last night he didnt fair so well and gets a win. I guess that is baseball for you.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
Guys- Batting Average isn’t everything. All the Mets power guys are below their normal RBI and HR numbers - Look it up! Runs scored is down too. That’s all I’m saying. Will these guys get a streak in them that gives them the division - I think it’s very possible, but I’m smart enough to know it’s not gauranteed. They have been carried by their pitching. Some day people will give Peterson the respect he deserves for all the reclamation projects he’s done. Will these pitchers keep it up in the playoffs if they get there? Who knows? The Braves got there with three HOF starters for years and only have one Title to show for it. That proves you’re only as good as your bullpen and especially your closer in the playoffs and I’ll take my chances with Wagner this year. 24 out of 25 saves, 1.39 ERA and a .84 WHIP. Wickman has a 4.21 ERA and a 1.51 WHIP. Not good for a closer. Same old problem in the playoffs for the Braves.
By Carolina Lady
August 1, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
All right, you guys. YOU are allowing Mets fans to walk in and take total control of this blog. You.
One or two stroll by and it’s like a kid poking a stick into a cage of dogs. He stands outside jabbing and the dogs snap, snarl and bark incessantly making a lot of noise, accomplishing nothing, and giving the kid exactly what he wanted. He wins, you lose.
Do you really think anybody else will spend time reading that?
Take back control of your blog with self control. Do NOT respond to their jabbing probes; they only want to rile you up and get great enjoyment in doing so.
Serbok, left another message somewhere along the way - the key was to get OUT of the doghouse. :-)
By Anders
August 1, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
David - What were the Mets supposed to do yesterday? Who was the player they were supposed to get? Name one player that changed teams yesterday that it made sense for the Mets to get? Tex? We have a first baseman. Gagne? Price to high and bullpen hasn’t been an issue. Dotel? See above. Morris? If I need to answer on that one this conversation is over. Cordero? The Nats wanted two prospects - no way. The Mets didn’t have a hole at first like the Braves or need support in the bullpen for a closer who’s unreliable and could be on the DL anyday. Dye? White Sox wanted way too much for him or he’d be a Red Sock today. What the Mets need is for the guys they have to step up. Believe me if they don’t you will see Minaya in action during the offseason.
By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)
August 1, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
1008 posts and counting in less than 23 hours. So this is what the blog looks like on C-R-A-C-K !
By David
August 1, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Judging from the fact that Wickman is on the trading block, it’s a safe bet he’s not the closer the rest of the way…at least not all of it.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
Carolina Lady - What’s wrong with blogging with someone from the other side? Just stroking each other on how good your team is is boring. That’s why I don’t spend much time on the Mets blogs. I know what Met fans think. I prefer to go back and forth with the other side. Isn’t that what fans do?
By MeMetFan
August 1, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Youz Brave fans wil be humin a difrint tune whine Pedro’z back. You’ll lurn what pichin’ is thin. Ax aniebudy.
By Braves Fan 79
August 1, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this
Best couple of days i can remember in a long time as a Braves fan….now if we could just get rid of woodcrap.
Wheres all the idiots that said we should be a seller and startover!?? I TOLD YALL!! I said along time ago after we loose Chipper and Smoltz our chances of winning it all go down greatly. Im glad were going for it!! Go Braves!!
By Braves Fan 79
August 1, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
KEEP THORMAN DUMP WOODCRAP!!
By Paladin
August 1, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
This will be my only post until the new blog goes up. This is like swimming in Karo syrup. Those of you who gave me tips on downloading this and that browser must realize that you are dealing with a complete computer-illiterate. And, at my age, I am doing good to “download” myself, without accident.
I have ordered an upgrade of my dsl which will be “available” on Friday. I’m having the local computer guru come out to make sure all is well. I will give him my notes taken from your thoughtful posts.
I want to commend y’all for your excellent job of troll-thumpin’ that you did last night. Special “hats off” to N8 and ChrisKlob. If I missed others it is because all of this “fine print” is difficult for an old man to deal with in the morning. But, PLEASE co not use bold, all caps. If you can’t talk without shouting, buy a ticket and do it at the ballpark. It will be appreciated, there.
And, as usual, I agree with CL: Don’t feed the troll(s). Ignore him, or them, and he/they will go away. They/he are/is desperate for some one to talk to. If necessary, refer to Braveheart’s Troll rule.
C’y’all later, I hope.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
David - So they’re going with Dotel? Wow. That suprises me. I assume they’re going to try and get Farnsworth first from the Yanks. He can be had for a bag of balls if you want to pay his salary for 1 1/2 more years. The more you want the yanks to pay the higher the price back. He’s not as bad as the high and mighty Yanks want everyone to believe. There’s more going on there then they are letting on. Farnsworth actually had the audacity to question a Torre decision and Captain Jeter has blackballed him in the clubhouse. Jeter does this all the time - See A-Rod for the last three years. Once your on The Captains bad side it’s over for you in Yankee-land. Then Farnsworth crossed up Jeters butt buddy Posada on a pitch last weekend and hit him on the wrist. He got a lot of crap for that too. If you guys still had Mazzone this would be a no brainer. I don’t know if McDowell could straighten him out. He still throws high 90’s.
By Carolina Lady
August 1, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
Anders, read some of the overnights and you’ll see what I mean. Civilized conversation is always appreciated.
By bill
August 1, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
I was against trading all of these prospects but willing to give it a chance. It makes the Braves stronger. I’m concerned about the starting pitchers. As of right now Hudson is the only one that’s dependable. I believe Smoltz is hurt more than we think. C. James is just not the answer. He can’t go no more than 5-6 innings. This off season they are going to have to come up with at least two starters. I thought James was going to be the answer after he did good last year. It. seems that he’s getting worse each start. Got to have innings out of the starters or pen is not going to be effective.
By fastasballs
August 1, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
Anders, You are a breath of fresh air compared to some of your fellow rabid fans that grace this blog. It’s nice to see a Met’s fan actually willing to talk baseball & not end each sentence with HAHAHAHAHA or LOL.
I’ll agree 100% the Mets have underachieved, but a lot of the reason is injuries & many to the aging guys that make up a lot of the line up. The Mets playing well the past two months would have the division almost locked up. This is why in my earlier posts I give thanks to the Mets for playing so poorly the past few months, because without their bad play the Braves don’t land Tex.
I will say this though, anything less than a World Series victory this year or next will probably make this trade for Tex look bad in the long run. We traded a ton a good/great prospects for a chance to win it all right now. Only the future can determine if this was a good or bad trade. The farm is packed with talent, so the future was not given away, maybe dented slightly.
Also we probably have an above average chance of signing Tex long term. He went to Ga Tech & his wife is from Atlanta. We’ll see I suppose.
Although the Mets hitting has been slightly down, the pitching has been above average, even with Jorge Sosa factored in. Yes I would take Wagner as a closer over Wickman or Soriano any day of the week. Feliciano has also been lights out & Smith good as well. Your pen has really saved a ton of games & kept it close in a bunch of other you have won. I watch the Mets more than any other team except the Braves. You have had your share of amazing victories this year.
The Braves & Mets are very close, the Mets a tad better pitching & the Braves a tad better with the bat, but adding Tex & the bullpen help has to give the Braves the advantage barring major injury.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
Paladin - Not sure why you don’t want to hear opinions different then your own. Mets lost, Braves won - I still came back. If you want to just hear from Brave fans with the same opinion as yours have at it, but don’t insult the others on here who at least have an open enough mind to cross enemy lines for discussion.
By DAP
August 1, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
anders i wanted to chime in on all the “underachieving”, “overachieving” talk…the judement of underachieving can only be made on paper.
on paper, i dont think the braves offense is over achieving, because they have great offensive players. harris might be overachieving, and frenchy(i dont think so), but mccann and andruw are probably underachiving, so it evens out. so as a whole they are performing as expected.
i think on paper, the braves pitching is about where it should be.
the mets on the other hand, have a slew of cast-off starters (sosa, eplfry, perez, and what the heck, el duce) who are third in the leuge in ERA. i think thats over achieving.
the mets offense has reyes, wright and beltran, and is otherwise filled with aging players, past thier prime. green, alou, delgado, valentine, and even delgado are older, and while they are still good players, cannot be expected to carry a team. (just like chipper, who needs a strong supporting cast) id say they are performing as expected, and that LAST year, they actually over-achieved.
By fastasballs
August 1, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
The only trade I didn’t care for was Startup. We basically traded two for one for a guy who spends most of his time at AAA. I really thought Startup was going to be a part of the pen next season. We all knew Davies was finished here, once you get on the Cox shiiit list you are as good as gone, just ask McBride. Bacially we traded McBride & Startup for Royce Ring.
Julio has been swinging a good bat as of late. I’ve been really surprised. In basically a 1/5 of the games he has as much production here compared to what he did in New York. He’s not going anywhere so I would say it’s down to Woodward & Thorman. I was shocked Thorman wasn’t packaged in one of these deals.
Once again the Braves have a great shot at making up ground while the Mets are playing at Milwaukee & Chicago. Then head to head with the Mets & Phillies. Very important next two weeks, gee I’ve said that before.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
fastasballs - Good synopsis. If it wasn’t for Boras I would say the Braves have a better than average chance of signing Tex - But as we all know boras follows the $$$. He’ll focus on A-Rod next off season then Tex is his next big gun. If the Yanks don’t get A-Rod back look for them to try and grab Tex - along with Santana in two years. As for this year, my point has been that I think it’s more likely that the Mets will get better production from their bats in the second half and I don’t think the Braves have enough pitching to keep pace. Smoltz and Chippers health is critical.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
Dap- I never said the Braves were over achieving. Other Braves fans said the Braves were under achieving and I gave the stats to show that’s not the case. I agree that they are where they should be. My point is that the Mets have more upside to their expectations than the Braves. That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen, just that hitorical numbers show that. The Mets took a crew of cast off starters (without Pedro and El Duque) to within one out of the WS last year so that doesn’t scare me.
By John
August 1, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
Good deal——BUT—— where is the starting pitcher????. The weak rotation will still kill the Braves.
By Stephen
August 1, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
I wish we could have gotten another starter. Maybe we still can. But has anyone else noticed this… if you take out his start against Boston, Buddy Carlyle would be 5-2 with a 3.48 ERA. Not bad… Hopefully he can keep it up.
By flange1
August 1, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
Anders,
I do agree with others that you have been a breath of fresh air compared to other Mets fans we have on the blog. It is nice to have a real discussion as opposed to HAHAHAHA…
I don’t agree with you about the Braves pitching holding up worse than the Mets. IF we just assume that the Mets top 2 Glavine and Maine are equal to the Braves top 2 in Smoltz and Hudson then lets compare the rest:
Chuck James VS Oliver Perez, one could spot stats about either being better, but I think when it is all boiled down, they are a fairly equal.
El Duque VS Buddy Carlisle, all stats point to Mets, but I think Duque is getting old and can be had. Carlisle is inexperienced but has been throwing strikes lately. Lets say Mets better here.
Your 5 VS our 5. Until Pedro returns this is pretty much a wash too. After Pedro returns, who knows?
Bullpen Closer Wagner has had a better year Set up, with the addition on Dotel and Mahay and the Mets losses of Sanchez and the return to AAA of Smith, I think the set up roll is firmly a Braves strength.
All in all, the staffs are pretty close. I would rather have Smoltz and Hudson than Glavine and Maine, but to each his own.
IF the Mets don’t step up offensively, I think the Braves will catch and pass them and win the division.
By ncscoots
August 1, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
Just because Teixeira was married in Clarkesville, we don’t have change “Holy Cornelia!”, do we? That would be a horrific trade downside.
By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist
August 1, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
not really a mets fan - just a dob/braves/man.in.black/pie/toes/bbq/music blogger that is taking the blog hostage - again. craves attention and gets it when posing as numerous mets fans. even answers himself in different personalities. sick. twisted. getting lots of attention, though.
By Ron Roberts
August 1, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
I have to ask… why did we demote Paronto? The past two months, he’s been the one guy out of the bullpen, other than Moylan, who’s done what he’s been asked to come in and do. I’m guessing it’s just an odd-man-out scenario, where he has more options. On today’s updated depth chart, Asciano is still listed in the bullpen. Hell, I’d have kept Paronto and chucked Woodward (could we call it a “Wood”chucking?).
By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////
August 1, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
If you ask me, both teams have underachieved this year. Heck, the Phillies look to me offensive-wise at least, better than either the Braves or the Mets.
By Matt C
August 1, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this
As a diehard Braves fan, I’ve suffered my fair share of postseason disappointment over the years (capped off by last year’s total absence). But I have to admit that John Schuerholtz has once again, and for the first time since the mid-90’s, given me reason to believe the Braves can travel deep into the postseason. While there were few blockbuster deals out there this year, John managed to work his magic and give the Braves a line-up that resembles the powerhouse squad of ‘93-‘98. The big difference between this squad and that one is the lack of dominant pitching. But with starting pitching a scarce commodity in a shallow trade pool, S’holtz did the next best thing and picked up several relief arms and the deadline’s key puzzle piece in Mark Texiera. The players, the coaching staff and the fans (myself included) are finally excited about their chances to catch (and overtake) the Mets. And that could prove to have the biggest impact of all in the deal. Although we had to give up a lot of young talent, we got some well-established solid performers to take their place. And, let’s face it, the Braves ALWAYS have a plentiful crop of quality young players. What we needed were some more mature players to compliment and coach the younger guys. So I am here to say “Good Work, Johnny Boy, Good Work.” Let’s just hope this isn’t a get-wins-quick-before-Bobby-and-I-retire-and-the-team-is-left-for-dead scheme. But even if it is, at least they and we, the fans, will get one more legit shot at a Series title.
By TheSouthernJackAss
August 1, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
I’d like to spit some Beechnut in that dudes eyes…and slam about 40lbs. of prime Wolverine boot leather right into his big ol’ piehole!!!…
By Bob, Journalist
August 1, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
I could almost feel the blogger’s passion and excitement when reading some of yesterday’s posts … it was fun so doing … the trades, Tex’s arrival, and a good victory to boot … perhaps one of the high points of the season.
Thinking of John’s success trigger’s the thought that folks who don’t first plan their work and then work their plan … fail! He must be a master craftsman.
Mama taught me that … she said I should only date good looking, intelligent rich girls with wonderful personalities and high moral standards … it was a good plan … but resulted in few dates.
There is no question that the trade for Tex was a good one, just as there’s no question that this is an equal opportunity Blog … how is it that on such a day was there also such a flagrant disregard for propriety that at times permeated and seemed to dominate the Blog? Beauty is in the beholder’s eye but it sure seemed that way to me.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things.
When I was one and twenty
I guess we all have different conceptions of what it is to be a man, especially the ladies … and the adult males who have no plane of reference, except that which they’ve seen on TV.
Methinks it’s unfortunate when a man’s search for dignity and self respect, his spirit, his reason for living … causes him to look down at the ground rather than up at the sky.
However, that’s probably better than those who don’t search.
While I firmly believe that Andruw will be 5th in the batting order, it will most probably be a disservice to the team … but it will be interesting to see how he reacts for the remainder of his contract year.
It will also be interesting to see how the team reacts tonight, especially Buddy … it’ll be fun … let’s hope they stay focused!
By fastasballs
August 1, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
In all reality it doesn’t matter if the Braves win the division or the the wild card, as long as they make the post season. They have winning records against the Dodgers, Padres, Mets, Cubs & Brewers.
Barring injury the Braves rotation is more than enough to make it to the post season. Without the bullpen implosion since the break they would be virtually tied with the Mets right now. The starteers have only had a few bad outings.
Some will argue the Braves won the division all those years with pitching, which is true, but NEVER in the 14 years did they have an offense that even resembled what is out there now. 1998 was great, a lot of dingers, but the averages were not there.
If you removed Andruw from the clean up spot & replaced him with virtually anyone in the regular line up, the stats would be that much better, as would the wins.
IF Cox puts the best line up out there without regard to loyalty this team is going to be hard to beat. Andruw needs to bat 6th or 7th. A lot of this come down to team confidence & it’s got to be at a season high right now. So as long as Cox sends out some version of Escobar/Harris/KJ to lead off, then Edgar, Chipper, Tex, McCann, Frenchy, Andruw, KJ/Diaz averaging 5-7 runs a game is not out of the question.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
Flange - Fair enough comments. I would take Smoltz(Assuming he’s healthy) and Hudson over Glavine and Maine easily. While I think the Mets next 3 are better than the Braves 3 i give the Braves an edge in starting pitching. The Mets bullpen is better than you think. They’re in a little funk right now but they have some real live arms in there and their lefty / righty set up is in good shape. The big kahuna are the closers. Wagner has coughed up 1 lead all year. If the Mets get to the ninth it’s basically game over. I don’t see that with Wickman. That might be a 3 game differential from now until the end of the year. Add that to the 3.5 already behind and thats a tough hill to climb. All specualtion through Mets colored glasses of course.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
Color me impressed: Over 1,000 posts in 24 hours. You folks seem to care about this here Braves outfit.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 1, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
I agree that the Mets have not played up to their supposed potential. But, here is a little nugget for everyone to chew on. Perhaps, it isn’t so much the Mets haven’t played to their full capabilities but that age is catching up to them. Think about it. The players who are strugglin are all 34 years or older (Glavine, El Duque, Delgado, Valentin, Alou, and LoDuca). Their most consistent players this year are 25 years old or younger (Reyes, Wright, and Maine). Is that a coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it. That is not say that those older guys are simply pacing themselves and will explode the last two months of the season, but it is something to think about. Look at the Giants. They got off to a good start but are now just spinning their wheels. They are old. The difference between they and the Mets are that they don’t have those couple of young dynamic players to keep them afloat.
Also, keep in mind a couple of things about the Braves. One thing this team has underachieved this year at times. While Andruw has always swung at anything thrown to him he at least would hit .260. This year he has struggled to stay above .200 and has been even worse than usual with runners in scoring position. McCann also struggled early and just in last three weeks has become the B-Mac we all know. Another thing is those three or four weeks we had to play without Chipper really hurt. Remember most of those games saw Chris “I Just Keep Stealing Money From The Braves” Woodward and Pete “I Try Hard But Can’t Hit A Lick” Orr playing 3B. If Escobar had been called up back in April like he should have the Braves probably would’ve won a couple more games than they did.
Another thing to keep in mind. The Braves went 4-12 against the AL in interleague play. Take those games out of the equation and this team is 13 games over .500. Guess what. That would give them the best record in the NL. In other words they have played extremely well against their own league. Their record against the AL might not bode well if they make it to the WS since they would likely play one of the teams that ripped them during interleague play.
This is a good team that has just got a lot better. You can see the excitement. Players like Chipper, Hudson, and Andruw who at times act non-chalant are all of a sudden excited and enthusiastic. Tex’s addition could be very good for Andruw because it may push him to get his rear end in gear.
I’m not saying the Braves are a lock for the WS but their odds just went from having to hope for the same luck the Cardinals had last year to knowing that if they play at 90% of their potential they are as good as anybody in the NL. Mets fans, your starting rotation from top to bottom is better than ours. That may get you the divsion, but the Braves are at least getting the wild card. However, our top of the rotation is better than yours and don’t give me Pedro because we all know that it is more than risky to bet your season on the return of a guy that hasn’t pitched in over a year. In a best of seven series the backend of the rotation won’t matter.
By Shaun
August 1, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
fastasballs,
I think this is like the ‘03 team that finished first in AVG, 2nd in OBP, 1st in SLG, and 1st in runs. But the pitching is better. That team finished 9th in fewest runs allowed. Right now this team is 8th but it will probably get better…it almost certainly won’t get any worse.
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts, they only sent down Paronto because he’s one of the few guys with options down in the ‘pen. Wickman, Yates don’t have them. Villarreal does, but is the long man. Ascanio will be sent down today.
I agree _ Paronto didn’t deserve to be sent down. But you can’t send down Yates or you lose him, for certain, to a team that wants a guy with an arm like that. Paronto will be back soon enough, count on it.
By Paladin
August 1, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
Anders We may have to put you in the category of MetroMan. You are civilized, reasonably well-mannered and a far cry from some of the loud-mouthed idiots that come on here and “scream” the same thing over and over and over. I agree. A little civilized debate shouldn’t hurt us at all.
I’ll look forward to it when my “equipment” will allow.
By bryan
August 1, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
scribe … best post i have read in a while! With most of this hack, arm chair, garbage cluttering up the space.
Please repost it. . .mr o’brien … can that story be posted as an editorial contribution??? A guest MC to the blogs greatest hits …
D O’B-g-y-n feat. Scribe
by the way … if you were a rapper… that better be your name: D O’B-g-y-n
By brian
August 1, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
my thoughts on Pena not being called up:
JS wants Pena to keep getting regular ABs and keep succeeding. JS probably is not done dealing - he will see who clears waivers (like Arroyo) and probably try to peddle Pena to get more pitching
By Lee in South GA
August 1, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Matt C
Completely agree with your post. I have thought the same about this year and next being a quick fix solution before J.S. and Cox depart their separate ways from the Braves organization. But if it means having a chance for another World Series, I am all-in-favor of going for it now. J.S. Cox, Smoltz, and Chipper all deserve one last chance to play in the World Series before they retire from baseball. Hopefully this year and next they have that chance. Finally Braves fans all over deserve more than anyone for the chance to proudly say “Atlanta Braves 2007 World Series Champions” .It has a nice ring to it.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 1, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
DOB, looks like another busy day for JS. He has to clear a spot for Mahay or Dotel since I assume Ascaino gets sent down. I would assume that it is Thorman or Woodward to go, but who? As sad as this is to say, Woodward has more value because of his versatility so I would say he is the more likely of two options to stay.
What are the chances that Arroyo, Silva, or even a Shawn Chacon get through waivers and the Braves make a deal for them? Also, somebody said something about Cox saying another deal was on the commissioner’s desk. What deal would that be?
By Renegator
August 1, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
DOB:
Do you have a feel for who will be DFA’s today? I know it is between Woodward, Thorman, and Franco. I’m pretty sure none of those guys have options left so we just have to take our chances on the waiver wire. Do you have any feel for who it might be?
By Anders
August 1, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Paladin - If we’re not careful we might both be looking up at The Phillies with the D’Backs getting the wild card. Wouldn’t that be a kick in the rear?
By Ron Roberts
August 1, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
Some folks seem to keep missing the info on Corky vs. Brayan Pena, yesterday. Pena had already played a day game yesterday, so Corky was the backup catcher/call-up.
What a difference a day (and three trades) make, eh? We go from not having enough parts to make a viable bullpen to having too many good pitchers to keep in the ‘pen that we have to send a good one down to the minors.
Man, if we had that problem with the rotation, we’d be world-beaters. As it is, I’d guess we’re about one more Lance Cormier quality rehab start from being in that predicament.
FYI, he played three days ago, took an L against Toledo, but pitched 7 strong, giving up 6 hits and 2 ER, and strking out six.
By Ron Roberts
August 1, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
PLEASE…. I’d bet my first-born that Julio Franco doesn’t get designated. Bobby Cox has all but nominated him for an All-Star reserve with all his glowing remarks the past couple of weeks.
Oh, and while I’m recalling Bobby-speak… he was on the Astros radio pre-game show last night (I live in New Orleans and a weak AM station here carries ‘em), and he pronounced Marks’ last name “Tech-share-uh.” Oh, he also heaped mighty praise on Julio Franco. God’s honest….
By Lew
August 1, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Ma’am and Paladin-With due respect to you both-Ignoring the Mets’ Trolls has NOT made them go away. We’ve tried it consistently for the two years I’ve been here. Now you both are aware of the type of person I really am-Ma’am, I know you do for sure, anyway. But NoBrainZone consistently posts insults specifically to me and I’m damn well not going to put up with his trash. Now, I won’t sink to his level and cuss him out with vile invective, as he does to me, but I will continue to attempt, in the most intelligent manner possible, to make him look like the complete and utter damn fool he is. I’m sorry, y’all, you know I like and respect you, but that’s the way it will be. I learned a long time ago that ignoring a problem never made it go away.
By Shaun
August 1, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
Robert (Justice Is The Best),
I think they record the Bobby Cox show. So my guess is it was probably the Ring-Ledezma-Startup deal. That happened kind of late yesterday.
By KC
August 1, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
Dayn Perry still predicts the Braves will miss the playoffs (shocker!):
NL East - This is where most of the action went down. As previously detailed, the Braves filled a deep hole and filled it well. Mark Teixeira will give them infinitely better production from first base, and he’ll help them hit lefties, which the Braves haven’t done all that well this season. As well, the Braves have bolstered the pen by picking up Octavio Dotel from the Royals, and let’s not forget that lefty Ron Mahay was also part of the Teixeira swap.
Mark Teixeira’s headed to the Braves, but can he get them over the hump in the NL East?
Up in New York, the Mets shored up second base by acquiring Luis Castillo from the Twins. Pedro Martinez is about to begin a minor-league rehab assignment, and he could rejoin the rotation by late August. Presumably, he’ll force Jorge Sosa to the bullpen. On the other hand, center fielder Carlos Beltran is likely headed for the DL, and the Mets’ outfield depth isn’t particularly impressive at the moment.
As for Philly, they upgraded the back of the rotation by acquiring Kyle Lohse. Tadahito Iguchi is a passable stopgap at second base, and Julio Mateo may slightly improve the bullpen. However, they still don’t have pitching to hang with the Mets and Braves. Also working against them is the fact that their remaining schedule is much tougher than that of the Mets and Braves.
The prevailing question, then, is this: has Atlanta bettered itself enough to make up 4.5 games on the Mets, who’ve improved at the keystone and should have Pedro back by the end of the month? It’s close, but not quite. Projected division champ: New York Mets
NL Wild Card - It’s a crowded fray in the NL, and to a large degree it comes down to strength of schedule the rest of the way. So let’s take a look at the percentage of winning teams each contender will face from this point forward:
We’ve already projected the Mets, Cubs and Padres to win their respective divisions, so let’s focus on the remaining clubs.
First off, pity the Rockies, who play roughly two-thirds of their remaining games against over-.500 teams. What also jumps out is that the Brewers have a much easier go of it than the rest of the group. That’s not fair (blame the unbalanced schedule), but that’s how it is. Milwaukee’s a good team, but the soft schedule will also play a role in returning them to the post-season for the first time since 1982. The Dodgers and Braves will probably wind up as better teams than the Brewers, but their schedules will get the best of them. Projected Wild Card winner: Milwaukee Brewers
Listen carefully, and you can almost hear the Mets game on in the background as he was typing this. =)
By TLJ
August 1, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
Will these trades put the Braves in the playoffs, I don’t know only time will tell. It makes us stronger and puts us in a position to get there.
I agree with Anders the mets have under acheived. It’s possible they will go on a run winning 10 out of 12 games and widening their lead. I would also agree the Braves have played to their potential. However with the trades we are stronger and our potential is greater. We could also win 10 out of 12 games run away with the division.
So far we have won most of the head to head games and I see no reason for that not to continue. We will have to wait until the end of the season to see who wins the division but it certainly be fun getting their.
I believe with leadership of JS and BC it will be the Braves who are left standing in October. Go Braves
By David
August 1, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
David - What were the Mets supposed to do yesterday? Who was the player they were supposed to get? Name one player that changed teams yesterday that it made sense for the Mets to get?
I’ll give you three. Matt Morris could have been had for a bag of balls. People are oddly critical of him as a player, but the reality is that he is an acceptable innings chewer who isn’t likely to melt down at crunch time. He’s also better than Sosa right now today.
Troy Percival was available cheap yesterday. One of the greatest relief pitchers of this era, he has been wonderful in his comeback with the Cardinals. St. Louis wanted to deal him, and I am stunned they found no takers.
Then there is Jermaine Dye. Your team is showing a lot more faith in the Lastings Milledge/Moises Alou tandem than I would. Dye is a former World Series hero. He would have helped you quite a bit no matter his recent struggles.
Alternately, they could have done something splashy with Chad Cordero as the asking price Washington had on him was shockingly low. I can understand the Mets not wanting to make a big move like that, but not making a serious move at all (Castillo needs a walker at this point) stuns me. I’m not a huge fan of Jim Bowden, but he has said something about the trade deadline I believe. He states that if you are a GM and you don’t do something to help the team, you haven’t done your job. Minaya failed the Mets yesterday in this regard. There were moves out there that would not have broken the bank, but he stayed pat. If Pedro isn’t healthy, I’m not convinced the Mets make the playoffs.
By David
August 1, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this
*I assume theyre going to try and get Farnsworth first from the Yanks. He can be had for a bag of balls if you want to pay his salary for 1 1/2 more years. *
I strongly suspect that’s a non-starter for the Braves. He didn’t quite burn bridges when he left, but there did seem to be hard feelings. He also gave up a playoff homer that Bobby Cox will never forgive.
By Ron Roberts
August 1, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this
KC… Dayne Perry, much like our buddy No Chop Zone don’t seem to take into account that the Mets and Braves meet 9 more times this season, before it’s all said and done. And if we went 6-3 against ‘em the first half of the season, with a struggling Andruw, and pre-Buddy Carlyle, Mark Teixeira and Octavio Dotel, then I can’t imagine we’d do worse than 6-3 against ‘em again.
That’s three of the four games we trail ‘em in the loss column there.
By DAP
August 1, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
KC that dayn perry article you post ticks me off…. the mets improved!!!???? what? luis castillo aint gonna make one BIT of difference to them!! hes not a run producer, nad no longer a good sparkplug for a lineup. defensivly maybe a little, but they replaced one old 2nd with another! and it looks like pedro MIGHT make roughly 5-6 starts this season! how is THAT gonna make a difference. even if he wins every game he starts, thats only 6 wins. and he AINT gonna do that after not pitching for a year. everyone knows he will get hit and hit hard.
i know im preqaching to the chior, KC, but man that guy i stupid! how is he a sports writer? predicting no braves in the postseason is one thing, but the reasons he gave are just retarded.
i think the braves will have gained alot of respect by the end of this season.
By KC
August 1, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
My predictions for the remaining 2 months of the season:
Braves: 36-19 final record: 92-70
Mets: 32-24 final record: 91-71
But ONLY if the Braves continue to play the Mets well head to head.
By Lew
August 1, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
I’m quite willing to concede that Anders and Metro Dude are not your typical Mets fans-they are not Trolls. However, I’m getting somewhat amused about the point they all keep making about the Mets playing way below their potential. It is true, but you have to realize that this trend is now at the 10 week stage- 2 1/2 months of sub .500 ball. Y’all this is not a slump-it’s the way they are and the way it’s going to be. Period. I watch a good number of the Mets games as well as all of the Braves’ games on MLB Extra Innings (I figure, why not? I pay a fortune for it anyway and they ARE our primary competition). This is a team in disarray. They have no offense. Throughout the entire month of July, they lost almost every game where their pitchers gave up more than 2 runs- TWO RUNS!!!! Their offense is non-existent. Last night they couldn’t even lock it up for Glavine’s 300th- and he pitched a 1 hitter through 6. If Beltran, indeed, has a tear in his oblique (remember last year how much time Chipper missed with an oblique STRAIN?), he is gone for substantial time, knocking their offense further down the drain. How long until Moises Alou goes down again? Do we really think Pedro is coming back to his mid 4.25 ERA self, or even remotely like his Cy Young self? Of course not. Even the most insanely optimistic Met fan can’t possibly believe he will be any factor at all for one lousy month (IF he makes it back then). Does anyone truly believe we would be traling the Mets right now if Andruw had been hitting .250 or better? Doubt it. If we start winning, there is no way the Mets or the Phillies will touch us the rest of the year. If nothing else, did y’all see the electricity in the stadium and on the bench last night? Even with Texiera just sitting in the dugout? Holy Cornelia-How can you bet against the Braves? Incomprehendible. Scribe-your earlier post was indeed great. Too bad you already have a Wurltizer.
By Lew
August 1, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
Sorry-That should have been incomprehensible.
By KC
August 1, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts and DAP:
I’m more taken aback by his assertion that we can’t win 2 more games than the Brewers between now and the end of the season. The Braves are now considerably better than the Brewers or any of the teams competing for the Wild Card, and certainly good enough to make the NL East a dogfight… even if they don’t win it (which they very well might).
By KC
August 1, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
If BC handles the rotation correctly here… we should have Smoltz, Hudson, and James going in the 3 games series at Shay next week.
If we could pick up a game or two before that series, and then win 2 of 3 at Shay… we could be just a game or 2 back by the end of next week.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
David- I have no idea what the price for Troy Percival was but the Mets have a closer who has blown only one game all year and has been lights out.Morris?? Come on, you can’t be serious? Dye - The White Sox are trying to trade him based on his 2006 numbers while 2007 is 50% lower. He’ll be available through waivers. They’ll be competition for him then though when the price drops.Cordero - The Nats wanted two top prospects - just not worth it for a set up guy. I wouldn’t take my GM mentoring from Jim Bowden. The guy is a louse even in the eyes of other GM’s. Minaya is not shy. The trades just weren’t there. With so many teams still in the race, teams are holding onto players, plus you don’t see the salary dumps you used to see. What were there, 5 trades yesterday? Other than Tex not one major player moved. As for Farnsworth word up here is that the Braves offered Wickman straight up for him and the Yanks said no. If that’s true I guess Cox put his feelings aside.
By ElbravoX-- EbX
August 1, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
I remember 1000 posts were of epic nature, times they are a changing!!
By southern inbred moron
August 1, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
David just remember that Dayne Perry is playing to his audience, I long ago lost respect for most of the talking heads and scribes who lacked backbone and objectivity to call it like it is.
It’s lot like the college football polls. Most of the teams get votes because of who they were, not who they are. Ninety percent of the hacks are too lazy to do their own research and rely on someone else’s opinion to take as their own.
Now, as far as the Braves making the post season, I like their chances now a lot more than I did Sunday. It’s still a crap shoot though. A lot can happen between now and October. It still comes down to depth.
Let’s hope that big mo swings to the Braves’ side of the field this year. Sure looks like it has for now.
By Robert (Justice Is The Best)
August 1, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
Lew, that post was terrific! Absolutely right!
By KC
August 1, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
The Mets are hoping that Pedro could be back in the rotation “as soon as late August”. He obviously won’t be ready for the Mets-Braves series next week, and if their hopes come true… he may be back for the next Braves-Mets series (July 31-Aug.2).
Conversely, as I mentioned a moment ago, Smoltz-Hudson-James should be the lineup for the Mets series next week. If the rotation stays on course after that… we’d have Smoltz and Hudson going in the next Mets series at the end of the month.
By KC
August 1, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
CORRECTION… the next Braves-Mets series (after next week’s matchup) is obviously at the end of August, not July.
By Ron Roberts
August 1, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
KC… ya have to admit that the NL West has four teams capable of winning the wild card, too, though.
Between the three NL East contenders, the four NL West contenders and the two NL Central contenders (throw in the Cardinals if you want; they’re coming on at the right moment), it’s gonna be a dogfight for that wild card. I like our team against the entire league, now, but hey, we can only do what we can against our own opposition.
We play the Phillies, Rockies, Diamondbacks, Cardinals, and Brewers head-to-head before the end of the season, as well, so we can make hay against three teams we’re trailing in the wild card chase now (two that are division leaders, and one we’re behind in the NL East, as well), and with 9 games against the Mets and 9 games still against the Phillies, head-to-head, we have the schedule necessary (I think) to control our own destiny.
By Thrillhouse44
August 1, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
I think JS was going for the Division championship yesterday, not just the Wild Card. As long as we get to the post season, I believe this team can do really well.
I think we’ve seen so many trolls because they’re scared and they’re obviously trying to rain on our parade. Lew, keep doing what you do to them.
Man, I wish I could watch tonight’s game on TV!
By Lew
August 1, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
David-What Anders really means is that the Mets DON’T HAVE two prospects that anyone wants.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this
Lew- Your argument isn’t bad and to some degree I agree with it. However, I don’t think the Mets have to revert back to the offense they had last year they just need to pick it up somewhat from now until the end of the season.Pedro coming back is a crap shoot and would be gravy. He was gone from august on last year - we’re used to it. Beltran? - Who knows? That’s why they didn’t trade Milledge for Cordero yesterday. Plus their last 14 games are all against Florida and the Nats. The Braves play Milwaukee and the phillies in 7 of their last 10. Advantage Mets.
By southern inbred moron
August 1, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
ssiscribe A marvelous post that captures the essence of the Braves’ Nation emotion and hopes that have spewed forth since the announcement of what will in the future be referred to as “THE TRADE”.
Along side of “The Catch” and “The Slide” and “The Hit”. Terms that need no further explanation to long time Brave fans. Not since the signing of the Big Cat have the Braves had such a talent to hold down the first base position, both defensively and offensively.
I applaud your wonderful prose and recognize we are mere amateurs in respect to your musings.
By Lee in South GA
August 1, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
This was on the Fox Sports MLB Site - guess it provides some indication on what Tex and Boras will seek come free agent time.
Before the Rangers pulled the trigger Monday on the blockbuster trade that sent Mark Teixeira to the Atlanta Braves, they offered the first baseman an eight-year, $140-million contract. “I was hoping that he would say yes,” Rangers owner Tom Hicks said Tuesday from his home in La Jolla, Calif. But Teixeira’s agent, Scott Boras, told the Rangers that his client wasn’t interested. — Star-Telegram
By Gil in Mechanicsville
August 1, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this
Bottom line, you have to win your own games and not worry about someone else helping you out. Braves have adopted the American league model. That is “Pitching? We don’t need no stinking pitching, were going to score 15 runs a night.”
Works for the Yankees and Red Sox…..
By ncscoots
August 1, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
So just how many games difference do you think the new additions will make to the club? KC now expects the team to play .650+ for the rest of the season, after playing basically .500 for a year and a half, so that means he expects to win at least 10 games more than without the trades. Very few deadline trades have ever made that kind of difference.
Hey, I believe the Braves have a good shot at making the postseason, and a better chance once they get there, but let’s not lose every single grip on reality.
By Anders
August 1, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
Lew - What I was saying is that what was available wasn’t important enough to the Mets to possibly overpay. You can’t say that about the Braves. That’s not a condemnation of the trade just a realistic observation. I would have made the one for Tex too if I was JS. BTW- Dotel and Royce Ring are two ex Met prospects!
By David O'Brien
August 1, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
NEW BLOGGAGE UP
By FairWeatherBraveFanHater
August 1, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
I don’t know who(if anyone) is on the Braves’ radar for a waiver wire trade but if there is anyone we need to move on it quick. The reason is b/c the team w/ the worst record gets to put in a claim first. It goes from a team w/ the worst record and on up from there. Right now we would get the option before both the Phillies and Mets for the division and LA D, SD and the Cubs for the wild card. In a few games(after we pass these teams) we won’t be able to get them. It is so easy to block a trade. Whoever claims a player is the only team to be able to work out a trade and if you are the team to clain a player you can make it impossible for a trade to go through.
Any feelings on this?
By Grand Wizard
August 1, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
Who gives a rat’s azz about the freakin Mets, or their limp-wristed fans?? Last time I checked, this was damned Braves blog, for Braves fans, to discuss Braves baseball! Get your own damned blog you low-life creeps!!
By Paladin
August 1, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
I know I promised only one post before the new blog goes up; but, I can post one and go off for a couple of hours and when I come back it is almost re-loaded.
Lew I did not mean to include No Brain Zone and The Drool Fool in the “ignore them and they will go away” category. As you know, I “get after them” whenever they “appear”, and I am around. I will continue to do so and I applaud your efforts to control such vermin.
Anders Actually, a baseball debate with me would not be much fun, or challenge. I see these people who can tell you what pitchers are in Seattle’s bullpen and their history, from birth, and I am impressed. But, not enough to do that kind of study myself. I’m just a mildly enthusiastic baseball waiting to become a supercalifrasticexpeadaladoious enthusiastic Dawgs and Falcons fan when they begin play. In the meantime, I am sort of a second-line “enforcer” who helps keep our streets clean so that the other denizens can go about their business, while interjecting an occasional pithy comment of my own. You’ll find plenty who want to, and can play. Believe me. So, I’ll stay off your back as long as you behave yourself.
Scribe Referring to Wicky as a “manatee” was right on—and priceless. I’ll bet when we trade him that the new team will require a physical to check him for propeller marks. Also, I hope that we don’t have to pay the freight. The bill would be astronomical.