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By Ron H

July 30, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Great deal! Now, sign him long term and we’ll be good to go. Good luck, salty and gang. hope you guys do well.

By ArkyTech

July 30, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

YES!

By need pitching

July 30, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

yeah, it’s a good deal…if they win. but the braves still need pitching. and can we get rid of julio now?

By DOB

July 30, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

first!

By StingerSplash

July 30, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

This may be one of the best Braves trades ever. Even though Julio has played well in his brief time at 1B, this is a huge move for the Braves. This solidifies the lineup 1-8, giving Chipper and Andruw some much needed protection at the 5 hole, and a switch-hitter to boot. The question now is which other position player will be sent out to make room for Brayan Pena, because the Braves will need a backup catcher. And the Braves got a solid lefty reliever in the deal too, even if wasn’t C.J. Wilson. The price was high, but I expect this move to be akin to the McGriff trade - as long as the press box doesn’t catch fire.

By Bobby Cocks is an idiot

July 30, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

We gave up a lot. Homebody will be eulogized by this deal as he rides off in the sunset one way or another

By Matt

July 30, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

This is the best lineup the Braves have had in two years!! If Andruw has a decent second half, and the Braves can get a veteran pitcher, they should be the favorite in the NL.

By Soul Man

July 30, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

If we’re going to give away what many believe to be our top three prospects, we needed to get more with Teixeira than a 36-year-old retread.

By Lucas...

July 30, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

The braves have excellent judge of prospects so I think they did the right move. They know when they are ready to be dealt. It is not every year that you have a chance to win, and I am glad that they are going for it this year. It’s something new for the braves.

By Guy

July 30, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

What a great deal! Hopefully, we can sign Teixeira beyond 2008 with Andruw and Hampton’s salary gone. I would have liked for it to be Lillibridge instead of Elvis and Wilson instead of Mahay, but the lineup is deadly now with Teixeira in the middle. Hopefully Andruw will start hitting soon!

By Steve in DC

July 30, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Plain and simple, it’s a smart deal if the Braves can make a run this year or next, OR resign Tex when Andruw walks after this year. It’s unlikely we’d be able to sign him before testing FA, but that would make it a palatable deal to me.

Salty was never going to play catcher here, with McCann in front of him, and there’s no point in having a great prospect if there’s no place for him at the position that makes him so valued. (1B doesn’t count!)

When you have a great talent like that, the great value is either in becoming a great everyday player here, or letting that happen somewhere else and getting a great talent in return.

As far as Andrus goes, Escobar is going to have short or 2b nailed down by the time he’s ready to play anyway. If Renteria leaves, we’ve already got our everyday SS.

By eddie

July 30, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Salty had WAY more upside than Texiera…… Bad move….

By Halloweenhead (eware)

July 30, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

This trade is awesome, McGriff-style…

Salty needs to be playing catcher everyday and McCann prevents him from doing so in Atlanta. Made sense to trade him.

Andrus is 18 - we wouldn’t see him for a few years anyways. He’s yet to prove anything. Made sense to trade him.

Matt Harrison. I’m a little weary about this one. I hate trading pitching prospects - but you have to give to get, so this works for me.

I think we’ll sign Tex after the 2008 season. He’ll be one of our stars for the future.

By Andy

July 30, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Yes. Salty isn’t a firstbasemen, he’s a catcher. With McCann signed through 2013, there’s no place to put Salty. Teixeira gives the Braves an instant boost by way of a Power, Switch Hitting First Basmen with a Gold Glove. Plus, Atlanta still has Escobar, Lillibridge, Holt, and Hernandez.

By snellvilleboy

July 30, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

yes. Needed to pull the trigger. Have a good back up 3rd baseman as well as potential allstar at first. McCann is signed long term, Salty was not going to be the everyday catcher. Next year Andrew will be gone and need bat to replace him.

By bravesdude

July 30, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

If we can sign a multi-year extension this will be a great deal ….if not its awful to deal that kind of talent for a rental for 1 year. Lets hope JS can lock the boy up for a few years.

By bigboi

July 30, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Am I first? DOB what happened to the proposed deal that included Sammmy Sosa?

By Luis

July 30, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Thanks Shuerholz for sending the whole damn farm system to Texas for a player who will be in town for two years, that is really smart from you fou friking lunatic ARE YOU CRAZY, this is the beginning of the end folks the braves are downhill from now on

By SC

July 30, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Good move, the Braves have plenty in the farm system.

By Patrick

July 30, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Finally JS pulls the trigger. Something had to happen the Diamondbacks had tons of firepower..this should give us the edge..a lot like the Mc Griff trade during the 90’s

By JV

July 30, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

I hate giving up Salty, but he was blocked at his natural position - the same for Andrus. If this is a rental it won’t be that great of a deal, but I assume they view Teix as a lineup replacement for Andruw for the long run or they would not have pulled the trigger. I like the move, but it will take a year or two to know how well the Braves made out. Mahay may be the player that determines how well this deal works this year.

By Theo

July 30, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

I think this deal had to be done. AJ is gone, so we’ll be able to resign Tex for the long haul. His bat will definitely help Chipper see some better pitches and might help take some of the pressure off of AJ, and allow him to find a groove.

However, we still need more pitching.

By Dawg19

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

I am very happy this deal was made. The offensive output was good for the Bravos already and this will fill the one weak spot that existed. Adding Mahay will be beneficial too, especially considering there are currently ZERO LH relief pitchers in the bullpen. I hate to see Saltalamacchia go but wish him the best in Texas in the future.

By Michael

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Yes a wonderful deal. If the braves are playing franco over salty, you know there is something they see in salty. The braves have never traded away a young player who became nothing but a flop, and they need to spend more money on big players, and get rid of andruw..

By Ashley

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

I think its a huge trade, but a useless one. Rangers got to make a multi year investment in all the players they received from us and we get Mark Texeira who is just another stick. We are not in need of offense, we need pitching!

By Thrillhouse44

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Good trade! Play for the NOW!

By casey

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Should be a great lineup now, and the left hander will be much needed help in the pen…..watch out Mets!

By Eric

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Yes only if we can sign him long term. And I know people will say don’t trade good prospects.But who really knows if those kids would have had major career ending injurys then we would’t have any thing that we could build on

By Michael

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Yes a wonderful deal. If the braves are playing franco over salty, you know there is something they see in salty. The braves have never traded away a young player who became nothing but a flop, and they need to spend more money on big players, and get rid of andruw..

By Rich

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Yeah, I like it a lot. Giving up prospects hurts, but Schurholtz has proven time and time again that he knows what he’s doing and drafts really well. Elvis is a great prospect, but he’s not going to see playing time on the braves for at least another 3 years, and Salty was obviously blocked from his real position. With Tex, we have a bonafide gold glove/all star first baseman, the likes of which we have not had since McGriff.

Well done Braves.

By dack jerrick

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

JS has the big cahunnas and should be commended for pulling the trigger now. Tex is the REAL DEAL RIGHT NOW and we’re giving up prospects who may or may not pan out (remember Betemit? remember Marte?). He and Mahay at least give the Bravos a chance at a solid run into the post season.

By Bobby Cocks is an idiot

July 30, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

We gave up a lot. Homeboy will be eulogized one way or another on this deal as he rides off into the sunset

By Jim Grogan

July 30, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

This trade makes the Braves the best team in the NL. Let’s get to the World Series the next two years and see what happens! Thank you John Scherholtz for giving us this team and this opportunity! GO Braves!!!!!

By Rick

July 30, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

This trade is basically the known versus the unknown. Texierra is a producer while we think Saltalamaccia may be a producer although he had no position with the braves. Andrus,Harrison and the other pitcher are unknowns at the major league level. It certainly makes us better on the short term and Shuerholz has a great track record with traded prospects so far, we have only gave up a few prospects that became contributors on the major league level. I like the trade and I think that the Braves just became serious contendors for the NL East if not for the whole NL.

By STEVEFROMCHARLESTON

July 30, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

This was a no brainer, Homer Simpson would have OKed this trade. It’s sad to lose some great prospects but sometimes you have to live for today, this could make the Braves contenders again this year and next.

By Michael

July 30, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Yes a wonderful deal. If the braves are playing franco over salty, you know there is something they see in salty. The braves have never traded away a young player who became nothing but a flop, and they need to spend more money on big players, and get rid of andruw..

By Michael

July 30, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Yes a wonderful deal. If the braves are playing franco over salty, you know there is something they see in salty. The braves have never traded away a young player who became nothing but a flop, and they need to spend more money on big players, and get rid of andruw..

By gram

July 30, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

I trust JS.

By btray

July 30, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

I love this deal b/c the Braves window is closing we only have about two or three more years to compete for the World Series..with Tex in the line up we have a very scary lineup..

By Brian O'Brien

July 30, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

It all depends on the Braves’ budget for 2008 and beyond. Texeira is a fine ballplayer and if the Braves have the wherewithal to sign him to a multi year contract, then this is a good deal. Given a choice between resigning Andruw and resigning Tex, right now I’d take Tex.

Hate to give up Salty, but it doesn’t look like the Braves had a position open for him anyway, and they obviously felt like first base was not an option. As for Elvis, well, kinda looks like Escobar is the SS of the future, unless he ends up at third when Chipper retires. Even at that, they still have Lillibridge in the minors.

I guess time will tell.

By Serge

July 30, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

No No A million times no.

We gave up 4 Great prospects for a Guy who might not be here in 09, and Tom Martin V 2.0

Worst trade of JS Career.

By rooster

July 30, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

The Braves had to trade Salty because he was blocked by McCann. He is clearly a catcher and not first baseman thats why the Braves had to move him. Lets hope Tex can hit away from Arlington and boost the performance from pot belly Jones. Don’t forget that we also got left handed pitching in the deal. Jon had to pull the trigger on the no brainer. This may be the last chance for the Braves to win in their tenure. GO BRAVES

By Roger

July 30, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

We still need pitching. Our bullpen blew two games in AZ. Our starting pitching is also inconsistent. I like the move, but it’s not enough.

By brent a.

July 30, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Great deal. Let’s lock up Tex to a long-term deal - ASAP!

Liberty Media > Time Warner

By Mike

July 30, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Its a great move. Salty is going to turn out to be a very good major league catcher but there just was not a place for him in atlanta unfortunately. Elvis could also be a good major league player but look at the shortstops the braves have, renteria, escobar, lillibridge. I cant see how Elvis could have found a spot in the next few years. In Teixeira the braves get a great hitter, first baseman, and cleanup hitter for at least two playoff runs. With Andruw leaving at the end of this year and with the ownership possibly increasing payroll theres a good chance that Teixeira could be signed after that, even with dumba** boras as his agent. The braves also filled their most immediate need which was a good lefthanded reliever. So no I don’t think they gave away their future because they meed themselves serious contenders for at least two years. Plus thats why you call players “prospects” because theres no guarantee they’ll turn out the way you project them to. (Ande Marte, Wilson Betemit, Colon, Davies) Great move JS, Im excited to see the next game. Now if you could get Bedard from the Orioles without giving away too much then that would secure a w.s. for sure

By Koz

July 30, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

What are the chances that Libery Media will pony up enough $$$ for both Andruw and Teixeira?

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

I have a couple of thoughts on the trade:

1. Gives us a chance to win now

2. Provides protection against losing Andruw next year

3. The two position prospects are blocked at their respective positions. It isn’t like the Braves have a 36 year old catcher. They have a 23 year old two time allstar. We have Renteria at SS with Escobar waiting in the wings. The Braves traded good prospects, but none that were going to contribute anytime in the near future.

Regards,

Jason

By Desi

July 30, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

BOOOOOO HISSSS!!!

By MrKlever

July 30, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

I love it and if we can resign him for less than Andruw is asking then it becomes an even greater deal. Put Willie Harris in Center and let him lead off next year.

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 30, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

If the present quick fix means the 2007 National League pennant, then it was more than worth it. This trade is a steal. Think about our holes and then consider what we just acquired: a switch-hitting, power-hitting, gold glove first baseman and a veteran LH relief pitcher who has had a solid season pitching for a garbage team. Jump back on the bandwagon Atlanta, the Ted is the place to be for the next 3 months.

By Btray

July 30, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Shuerholz is a very good GM I can only remember one VERY BAD TRADE and that was the DAVID JUSTICE Trade other than that he has been good

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

So deal is now done with a good LHR included.

Now what?

Is there something else cooking (meaning SP). Guess there is not much talent left to find a good enough pitcher to fill 3rd or 4th spot….. or……. do we really need that? Not so sure.

Thanks for the patience people.

By Apaul404

July 30, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

As much as I like what I have seen from Salty, lately I’ve been hoping that we would hold on to his counterpart Escobar. I think we are pretty solid at catcher and I can’t take many more Scott Thorman at bats. The reports say we are still looking for a starter but we went out and got the best player available. And a pretty solid lefty reliever. He may prove more valuable than Teixeira this year if he contiues pitching as well as his numbers say he is. So I’m very pleased with the trade.

By Jman

July 30, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Um, to Eddie who said Salty has way more upside than Tex, you probably should look at the numbers. I’m not saying Salty won’t be an annual all-star, but Tex already is.

By Chopdawg

July 30, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

The success of this deal hinges on signing Teixiera long-term. No question he’ll help the Braves; also no question that both Salty & Elvis have a great chance to be All-Star caliber major-league players themselves. I’d hate to give them up for a player who’ll only be a Brave for a season-and-a-half.

By hk

July 30, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

… no … selling our future for a guy with hamstring injuries … Thorman will be good, and Julio is finding his rythm …

… latest hitter ‘MVP’ ratings …

Projected Runs - HR - RBI - Last Week - Now

Andruw - 86 - 31 - 104 - 223 - 220

Chipper - 90 - 26 - 86 - 196 - 202

Frenchy - 78 - 17 - 104 - 196 - 199

Renteria - 104 - 15 - 79 - 203 - 199

Johnson - 96 - 15 - 76 - 188 - 188

McCann - 49 - 17 - 90 - 154 - 156

Thorman - 50 - 15 - 52 - 121 - 118

Harris - 58 - 2 - 29 - 85 - 89

Diaz - 32 - 8 - 38 - 79 - 78

Team Average - 165 - 166

… Chipper curves tilted up, now that he’s playing more-or-less every day:

http://www.mindspring.com/~hk3/newton.htm

By don

July 30, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Very shortsighted and stupid. It will not produce any kind of championship.

Future with Teixeira? It will last until the end of next season (prior to playoffs). He will be gone.

Funny how the initial announcement didn’t mention that the no name pitcher from Texas is 36 years old. He will be the Braves’s oldtimer version of Ledezma.

Best wishes to those who escaped Atlanta.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Depends on whether they’re able to sign him long term. Not close to being worth it if they lose him after next year though.

By pdiddyGT

July 30, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

I think it was a great move. Not only am I excited to have a former Yellow Jacket back in the ATL, but he brings a lot of power and hitting to a position that has been incredibly lacking for the Braves, despite Salty’s performance. He is an everyday player and switch hitter, so hopefully we won’t have to platoon at first base anymore. I’ll miss Salty, but Tex is only 27, so he’s got plenty of years with the Braves (if we keep him).

Watch and enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMw4tOM1Io

By Interested Observer

July 30, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

There are reports that the 2nd pitcher is 19 year-old Nastali Feliz. Anybody know anything about him?

By lin

July 30, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

guess most will not agree with me thats ok no i due not like it.reason salty is able play catcher and 1st now anything happen brian we up a creek for good catcher. tex most likely only be here for 1 yr. wow rather then build for future they only concern for now which i due not put them in 1st at all. playoffs yes but wont win to go final big one, we need worry over pitchers then first base i would trade others for them.outside hudson and smoltz nothing is for sure and bull pen they got major concerns down the stretch then they realize. ok braves prove me wrong as like see it happen. i am concern about smoltz he may end back in bullpen as closer

By DonCoburleone

July 30, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

I love this deal… I’m glad someone in baseball actually has some ball$ and is willing to make a blockbuster trade. My hat is off to you John Scheurholz. 5 years from now this trade may not look all that great if Teixera still isn’t a Brave, but I don’t care. The offense we have now is without question the best in the national league (maybe the majors). Plus we get a guaranteed upgrade at lefty specialist in the bullpen. HUGE! The best news I’ve heard as a Braves fan in a long time!

By Jeff

July 30, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

This is a great deal for the Braves. As much as we all loved Salty, there was no where for him to play. He was blocked at catcher, and learning at first base on the fly is not an easy assignment (he never looked comfortable over there in my opinion). Now the Braves have a gold glove caliber slugger at first base. Their lineup just became the most feared in the National League. I think they also have a legitimate shot at resigning a guy who played for Georgia Tech. By the time Teixeira is a free agent Andruw will be gone and Hampton’s contract will finally be off the books. This trade has the same feeling of when McGriff came over in 93. Welcome back to Atlanta Tex!!!

By #16

July 30, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

My gut tells me it won’t pan out for us, but I really hope I’m wrong. Is our most glaring weakness truly at 1B? What about the streaky starting pitching and our weak bullpen? I don’t know.

I do wish Salty the very best though, b/c that kid is way too talented to be riding the pine.

Good luck Salty and Go Braves!

By Torpedo

July 30, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Hate to see Salty leave, but the fact that we need immedaite proven offence and a security net should Andrew and Boras fool any GM into giving him a multy year deal at “fair market value” which they have estimated at about $18 million a year.

By Sullychs10

July 30, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Luis, You my friend are crazy. Saying JS is a lunatic ?? Let’s see Salty was not gonna play here!!!!!! He WASNT!! You get a GOLD GLOVE 1B. You get rid of Andrus, who is behind freakin ESCOBAR. Escobar is 10000 times better than Andrus will ever be. The only name i’m skeptical about is Harrison. But I don’t believe he traded the whole DAMN farm system as you claim. GREAT TRADE JS

By Steve from OH

July 30, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

How long do we control Mahay for?

By rooster

July 30, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Look for the Braves to add a #3 starter and one more bullpen arm before 4 p.m. tomorrow

By Keith from Chatt

July 30, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

YES. Lets win now and worry about 2009 when it gets here. Salty wasnt going to play for us regularly. As a catcher, he is an above average hitter. As a first baseman… hes a little soft. Now we have 1st base and catcher locked down without salty. Good trade. Plus we don’t need elvis andrus. We’ve got Excobar who has shown he can play SS at this level for the forseeable future. The only piece that hurts a little is Matt Harrisson. Our starting pitching is awfully thin and we’ve shown that we don’t exactly have an abundance of major league ready pitching in our farm system. But thats what happens when you make a big trade. We are trading a potential starter down the road for a proven hitter right now that fills a big hole for us. I say JS knows what he is doing and rarely comes out on the bad end of a trade. Now let’s get that big ol boy on the field and go catch those Mutts!

By rick hitt

July 30, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

GREAT DEAL. SHOWS THE BRAVES ARE SERIOUS THIS YEAR. BEAT TRADE SINCE THE “CRIME DOG” IN 93.

By brian

July 30, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

This is a good deal unless if the unnamed pitcher is Tommy Hansen or we do not sign Teixeira.

By JustBob

July 30, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

The minors are well-stocked, Salty needs to play, Smoltz and Chipper want a ring now and deserve one. This is not the magic answer but this needed to be done or the Bravos were done. “That being said” (the new cliche’) Andrus and Harrison are bona fide stars, not just prospects, and they, plus Salty, are a hefty price to pay. Yes, maybe too hefty for this to make good ense. But good sense is not the goal here, so way to go, JS. Now, would another starter be too greedy? Mmm, probably.

By Chad

July 30, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Great deal if we sign tex to a multi year contract…. good deal if we trade him next year and get some good pitching prospects in return which is what we really need considering smoltz is gone in a couple years and we dont have much on the farm to bolster our rotation

By 1st and 6

July 30, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

“Teixeira missed 27 games because of a strained left quadriceps muscle sustained running out a ground ball.” This information comes from espn “Braves close to acquiring Teixeira from Rangers”. I just hope we don’t get another Mike Hampton. But who knows just time will tell…

By parks

July 30, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Thanks Shuerholz for sending the whole damn farm system to Texas for a player who will be in town for two years, that is really smart from you fou friking lunatic ARE YOU CRAZY, this is the beginning of the end folks the braves are downhill from now on

LMAO! right b/c losing Salty is going to kill this Franchise, we have Mccann. Losing Andrus, oh wait we have Escobar. Two pitching propects, one in AA, one in A. Thats the whole farm? Some of yall really need to relax. Andruw, Wickman, Hampton, and prob Rentaria will be off the books after 09, plus at least a 10 mil increase in payroll. There will be plenty of money to resign Tex

By Greg

July 30, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

They should not have dealt Salty away. Hes too good of a player and bat. bad move in my summation..

By JimDog

July 30, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

LUIS, YOU’RE AN IDIOT. GO BACK IN YOUR HOLE UNTIL YOU LEARN SOMETHING.

By dog lover

July 30, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

since the falcons blogs are all closed, i’ll post here … check out this link to what the court filing Tony Taylor signed today shows his testimony will be:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0730071vick1.html

First Down: Vick Cohort Cops Plea Tells feds dogfighting operation “almost exclusively funded” by QB JULY 30—An associate of Michael Vick’s today pleaded guilty to his role in a brutal dogfighting ring and signed an agreement pledging to cooperate in the government’s prosecution of the NFL star. Four days after being arraigned with Vick on a federal conspiracy rap, Tony “T” Taylor, 34, entered his felony plea today during an appearance in U.S. District Court in Richmond, Virginia. According to a statement of facts filed in court, Taylor copped to a key role in the operation of Bad Newz Kennels, the dog fighting ring that was allegedly headquartered at Virginia home purchased by the athlete in 2001. In the statement of facts, a copy of which you’ll find below, Taylor implicates Vick, the Atlanta Falcons’s star quarterback, in an array of criminal activity. While the Vick indictment charges that the athlete participated in killing dogs that performed poorly in fights or testing sessions, Taylor’s statement of facts does not make a similar allegation against the player (though Taylor admitted once executing two dogs and claimed that codefendants Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips also killed pit bulls that failed in test fights). Taylor contends that Vick provided most of the gambling funds staked by Bad Newz Kennels when its dogs faced off with other pit bulls in fights in Virginia, New Jersey, and North Carolina. When a Bad Newz dog prevailed, Taylor said, the winnings were distributed between him and Peace and Phillips. By cooperating, Taylor is seeking leniency at his future sentencing, a so-called downward departure from federal sentencing guidelines that call for a five-year sentence on the conspiracy charge. (13 pages)

By BravesDave

July 30, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

I am reading elsewhere that Harrison was not included…it was Feliz and another pitching prospect?? Anyone??

Great lineup right now, as it stands. No more easy outs for the opposing hitter. I would love for Kelly to be put back in the leadoff spot….Johnson/Escobar, Renteria, Chipper, Teixeira, Andruw, McCann, Francoeur, Diaz/Harris…that is plain nasty. I don’t think any lineup in the NL matches it…certainly not the Mets.

I am a little skeptical about the Mahay portion, since he has been mediocre throughout his career and is 36, but no complaints. Great deal that I really didn’t think would get done.

By Baron

July 30, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

I haven’t seen the trade confirmed anywhere but here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2954457

Does this make it official?

By Colin

July 30, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

I would rate this trade as # 2 right behind getting Smoltz from the Tigers. He brings a whole new presence to the lineup , bat him between Hoss(3), Tex($4), McCann(5), because then who would they pitch to. Our lineup 1-8 is the best in the NL by far, so much power, and speed as well. The next 2 months are really looking up. The Muts dont look to be filling any holes, so they will be looking over there shoulders and well the Phillies they may stay in it but i dont know. We can beat each team and win the Pennant.

By Phil

July 30, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Panic move and very shortcited. Way too many great prospects for one player. Frank Wren (if he accepts the GM job after this stupid move) will be pulling his hair out of his head after current management retires. Salty had much more upside than does McCann. If Tex cannot be signed to long term deal or if Atlanta does not win it all this deal will be spoken in terms of worst deal ever.

By don

July 30, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

You are a bunch of fools. The only realistic post is from Luis and he is right on target.

Don’t be making vacation plans for the playoffs in Atlanta. There won’t be any. Bank on it.

By Ron H

July 30, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Relax, ppl. This was a good deal, for MANY reason. JS isn’t going to trade away the farm system. Besides, we have young players (Yunel, KJ, McCann, Frenchy, diaz, etc, etc) galore and really need more veterans in the lineup.

we also filled a big need with the lefty. wouldn’t surprise me if there is still something else in the works for more pitching. we need it.

let’s hope this works out like the mcgriff trade of years ago…

i also think that this trade let’s Andruw know he’s more expendable at the moment…may get him to give us a hometown discount after all, but i don’t know. Boras is the devil (and that’s not a compliment, if you’re reading this, scott).

go braves!

By sCOOBYsNACKS

July 30, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Good Move. But is it too late?

By DAP

July 30, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

i thi9nk it was a good trade.

i hate to lose salty and elvis, but we had to face it, were knee deep in middle infielders, someone had to go, and were also deep at catcher, mccann and pena are both major league catchers.

so basically we traded two players we really didnt need and likley wont need ever, for two players we really need.

what hurts is losing harrison in the deal. we are NOT deep at SP.

good trade, this improves the team drastically.

By ernesto

July 30, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

I guess they are going to release Julio? I bet they don’t try and get Thorman through waivers, so who goes?

Seems like it was pretty silly to bring Julio in for 2 weeks but you can’t really justify keeping both Thor and Julio on the roster.

By Joshua Barlowe

July 30, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

As long as they can sign him long-term, it’s a great move, and a great PR move as well, as he’ll put butts in seats and move to the top of popularity quickly.

Salty showed great potential, but that is still a ??? Tex is the real deal.

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

I am cool with this as long as Mahay ends up being decent. Teixeira being good is a given.

This gives our aging warriors (Chipper, Smoltzie, Franco) one more decent chance for a World Series run or two.

We did give up a lot but I do think it was a good deal for the Braves.

By Josh Massey

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

When Jeff Francoeur is your #7 hitter, your offense is looking good.

By Harry Balls

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

I don’t know much about the minor league players except that are supposed to be good major league players. So was Brad Komminsk. I hated to lose Salty but he is 5 years yourger than Tex but Tex is a proven major league hitter that averages more than 30 HR’s per year. Only time will tell but maybe this will work out for the braves. I do think they need another fireballer in the starting rotation.

By roan st

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

It’s only a good deal if tex is signed to a long term extension. I will be p** if we give up that kind of talent for a 1yr 2 month rental. It will be another j.d drew deal all over again. I’m kind of surprised atlanta threw matt harrison in with salty and andrus. Personally I have my doubts that elvis will ever be a good hitter and he is not projected to become a pro until 2010. Salty could end up being a gem but only time will tell. Matt harrison, who knows? When was the last time we had a good young starter come up from the farm? It’s been a long damn time.

By larry

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Lousy Deal. Braves give up their future for a player who is already injured and will stay only a year and a half. No? As a long suffering Braves fan, I know the Braves do not keep stars; they come in; play a year or so; and then they move on and star elsewhere.

This deal is no different. The Braves got taken!

By GLB

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

First off, Tex does not have hamstring issues for whoever said that. He had the second longest consec game streak behind tejada before the dl stint this year. I thinik Tex is a great addition.

By Hanleymj

July 30, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Don’t understand how you can say no to this trade. We don’t have room for these people: As many others have pointed out, they are blocked at their positions with superior, young, (and most importantly, PROVEN) talent. What’s the point in holding on to prospects to sit on the bench when you can cash in their value to bring a much needed lefty arm in the bullpen and a young, switch-hitting slugger. Grow a spine; let’s not scrooge around here with our prospects. Keep the ones we need and could use, and trade the ones with high-value and no forseeable impact in the future.

By Luis is an idiot

July 30, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Luis, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Next time you post: 1. Learn to spell. 2. Don’t make such retarded statements.

By David

July 30, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

GREAT job Braves!!! Having lived in TX when Tex came up, I’ve seen a lot of him and think he’s a very good find. Best of luck to Salty and co. as well. TX is a nice place to play.

By stan man

July 30, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

i think its about time we really got hungry for the world seris,and that win, would let Bobby COX SIT IN HIS ROCKING CHAIR WITH A BIG SMILE,IF HE CHOOSE TO LEAVE THE GAME.

By George P. Burdell

July 30, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

I agree it was a no-brainer. It makes no sense to have two great catchers on a team when you have holes to fill. I hate losing prospects too, but this is the new Braves, not the old that would open up the pocket book and keep every great player. Chances were already good that Andruw was gone anyway and this gives us a player to fill in that spot in the lineup if and when it becomes a reality.

By Pulpwood Smith

July 30, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

This deal is sweet, and by “sweet” of course I mean “totally cool”.

By tj

July 30, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Only if he signs an extension. 50 games this year and next season is not exactly what I call the future. With Boras for his agent it will be hard to keep him. Salty will look like a switch hitting Johnny Bench and Tex will be gone.

By kreedham

July 30, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

With 3 (that includes Pena) added to the roster and only 1 gone who gets sent down?

One from the pen and ???

By don

July 30, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Don’t make reservations for the playoffs in atlanta. There won’t be any this year or next year. And, since Dumb Butt traded the future, don’t look for playoff games for a while thereafter.

The fourth player from the Braves should be Dumb Butt.

Those who compare this to the McGriff trade show a real lack of knowledge of the situation back then. The Braves’s pitching was “somewhat” better than what it is today.

Are they going to trade for some pitching? Who is left to trade? Pitiful.

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

I like any trade that gives us a shot at the WS now, without totally mortgaging the future. Prospects are exactly that, prospects. Not proven.

My friend Jason in Main is right on with his post. Both position players were blocked. Why not trade from strength to get what you need.

Granted, if we resign Tex, then it is an even better deal.

Mahay is NO Tom Martin. He is a decent hurler.

Let’s hope JS has another arm up his sleeve (little MIB pun). Starter or reliever, is not as important as just getting a solid pitcher.

I would like to see guys like Boyer, Devine, and Startup get a shot to help the big club also. We need for Yates to develop a hang nail for 2 weeks, to get some rest and give one of our up-and-comers a shot.

My two cents worth……

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cocks This is the best lineup the braves have had ever, not in the last few year. AJ is not having a good year but he is always a treat, and this might end up helping him to regroup and get started. There is no weak spot now, our weak spot is AJ…… that even sound sarcastic. If Carlyle and James keep the good work there is no way on earth we shouldnt win 70% the rest of the way.

So who is to be be moved? to bring up Peña? Julio, woodward or thorman? I would move Thorman, julio is a better choice for a PH than thorman and woodward plays at least 3 positions and is a better option for PR than thorman, plus there is no need for 3 first baseman.

The cost was high but we got what we and 90% of the teams in the league would like having.

By DAP

July 30, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

now we need to find someone who will give us ANYTHING for thorman. anything we can get will be fine.

By Jimbo

July 30, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Its a great deal only if they sign Tex long term. Hopefully they will use 08 money earmarked for AJ to sign him. Now lets see who Bobby bats 4th. I’m betting it will be AJ that if he does that it will be a horrible move.

By Andy J

July 30, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Braves trade for a new slugger at first base? Anybody taking any Sterno to Tuesday’s game?

By macdwolfpack

July 30, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Braves gave up a lot for Texerian, Mahay was a thrown in. If you resign Texeria and his production and health stay good then it’s a good deal,not a great deal. If you don’t resign him or he goes on the DL again, then it’s a poor deal and one that will haunt this franchise for a long long time. Salty,Andrus and two pitching prospects, heck I could have made this deal.

By DHD

July 30, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

GREAT MOVE!!!!! Salty was blocked by McCann. Nobody knows if he could have handled first base. We don’t have time for a training course, we are trying to win the division right now. As for the other prospects, they are prospects. Name all of the prospects that JS has traded away that became great players. Schmidt and Dye is about it.

Thanks for making a move to help the Braves. BTW, it does way more than just give us a hitter. It will cause pitchers to throw more fastballs to Chipper or Andruw, depending on who is hitting ahead of Tex.

By BravesDave

July 30, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Heyman from SI.com says in his article that the Braves are not expected to pursue a long-term contract with Teixeira. That is preposterous. How can a writer print something like that when the guy is signed until the end of ‘08?? Are you telling me that if Teixeira comes to Atlanta, wins a Gold Glove, hits .300, and bombs 45 HRs next season, that the Braves are going to say, ‘hey you were a GT product, semi-local guy, put up MVP numbers, we gave up 4 prospects for you, but…we don’t want you, thanks’. What an idiot. Any idea where he got that from?

By Rich

July 30, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

When you say more upside than Tex, you do realize that Tex is averageing 35 homers and like 130 rbi’s over the last 4 years? So, really, you think Salty’s going to top that?

By Colin

July 30, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Roster You wait maybe we could land someone of a Marte or Grienke standard, I hear DRays might be shopping Wheeler maybe we could send a minor leaguer and get him. I also like to find a starter to relieve Jo-Jo.

By BSmith

July 30, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Is it worth trading the prospects when they had a decent player in laroche?

By steve

July 30, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

In the short term it is a good deal. In the long term, I don’t think it will pay off.

Salty has a much better arm and is much better at throwing runners out than McCann. Salty will hit for more power than McCann. Salty and McCann will probably both hit for decent averages. McCann may have an edge at handling ptchers at this point, but major league experience would help Salty out a lot. I like Brian McCann a great deal. He had a tremendous season last year and though he has not had as good a year this season, it has been nothing to complain about. But ten years from now, I would wager that Salty will have proven himself to be a much better major league catcher. In fact, Salty has the tools to be a superstar. I hope we did not trade a talent like that away for a guy who will be short term Brave. Remember, our new 1B’s agent is Scott Boras. I am afraid that at the end of his contract he will be sign with one of the high payroll teams (Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, etc.)

By Jimbo

July 30, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Question. Why does Bobby continue to be loyal to a player like AJ who when the season ends will not show any loyalty to the team? Good bye Andruw.

By Bo

July 30, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

YES! YES! YES!

By KJG

July 30, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

The people against this trade are the same ones who thought we should have given up Chipper to the Rockies instead of David Nied. They’re also the same ones who didn’t want Crime Dog or the Big Cat. JS knows what he’s doing.

By Doubtful

July 30, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

I think this sucks. Trade away three good prospects and Salty for a gut who’ll stay this year then go to New York for big bucks. You know Liberty will not pay what it’ll take to Scott Boras to keep him. What about backup for McCann? Are they going to bring back the doofus they had before who can’t keep his head out of the way? This sucks.

By Kenneth Simpson

July 30, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

The braves gave up too many good prospects for a one year player. They have made so many bad moves lately it is ridiculous. They gave away LaRoche,McBride, and now Salty along with three of their best prospects. JS should be run out of the country. I hope they don’t win another game!

By Rip4144

July 30, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

This is a good deal for now. It’s a great deal if we can sign Teixeria after 2008 and Mahay after this season. Of course this means that A.Jones is gone after this year.His money will for the younger Teixeria.Now we have to work on a long term deal for Frenchy!

By Shaun

July 30, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

It’s a good move. The Braves had to trade Saltalamacchia. He was too good to send to the minors in favor of another player and he wasn’t helping them much as a backup in the majors.

Also, Salty appeared to be a horrible defensive firstbaseman and he loses offensive value as a firstbaseman because good-hitting firstbasemen are easier to find than good-hitting catchers.

As far as giving up young pitching, it’s worth it because odds are against young pitching anyway.

And as far as Andrus, he could be a Jose Reyes-type but he’s still very young and has a long way to go. Plus the Braves appear to be set to hand the shortstop job over to Escobar once Renteria is done.

Braves didn’t obsess too much about need (pitching), instead going to the biggest impact guy available. That was a good move. Now even if they don’t get pitchers who could make a difference, they should have plenty of runs to work with.

By SteelCav

July 30, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Great deal.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

JasonInMaine is correct. Two of the players were not likely to see major playing time in Atlanta for years, if ever. Brayan Pena is going to be an excellent back up catcher, capable of playing multiple positions. Andrus may have potential as a glove man, but will never be the offensive force Escobar will be. We still have Lillibridge, Campbell and Pope (among others) as infield pieces in the next couple of years coming up and we have Edgar under our control through 09 if we desire. I’m sorry to see Harrison go-I’m convinced he will be a good, if not great, starter. So what if Texiera leaves after 08 (which I wouldn’t count on). Has anyone here heard of Kala Kai’ahue? This kid is a power hitting 1B who will be in Atlanta in the next couple years and may make us forget about Texiera. Good deal, but don’t be surprised if JS has more up his sleeve in the world of pitching. Now that we have a LH reliever, no telling who else he may come up with.

By Smitty

July 30, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Welcome to last place! your future is done, great trade for Texas, ripped you guys off. I LOVE IT!!!

By JMar

July 30, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Too many of these posters are really short-sighted. Yes, Andrus is blocked by Escobar, but Andrus is also still a few years away. Let’s seeing who’s blocking whom in 2009 when Renteria’s contract will have expired and Chipper’s 37. Yunel at third, Andrus at short, Matt Harrison in the rotation, and Julio starting at first, of course.

By Mike

July 30, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Horrible move! Tex is way, way overrated and Salty has much more potential. The Braves will regret this!

By Dostahawk

July 30, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Well done Braves! Now GATA….

By stan man

July 30, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Thanks for gooooooooooood trade.

By Yes!!!!

July 30, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Very Very pleased! Lets see some new fire in the bravos!

By george

July 30, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

NO NO NO…we gave up too much for a guy we will have no more than 1+ seasons. Boras will price Tex out of the Braves range and then we will have nobody for 3 top prospects. Most of you are elated now, come back in 2009 and tell me how elated you are.

By clint

July 30, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

yessssss! lets get hot like we did once we got the old crime dog!! yessss!!!!!

By Dee

July 30, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

It’s about time we brought in some true veteran talent instead of waiting (and wishing) for AAA talent called up at the last minute to evolve into relevant starters.

By Luv 2 Hate Me

July 30, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Good move! Now if we can pull off getting Roy Oswalt before the deadline it would be wonderful. Roy said he would waive his no trade clause to pitch in the ATL. Trade Davies & Thorman for Oswalt. Drop Hampton or trade him to Houston. Sign Tori Hunter & Tex in the off season. We have a chance for making the playoffs this year and next year!

By Josh

July 30, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

By the way, Tex did hurt his hamstring, this year. The previous four years he played nearly every single game. He is not an “injury prone” player.

Also, ESPN reported that Texeira was the 5th fastest player to reach 150 home runs. He will make a difference. Considering he’s replacing a position that produced a .200 avg and 31 RBIs, yeah he’ll make a difference.

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

I like any trade that gives us a shot at the WS now, without totally mortgaging the future. Prospects are exactly that, prospects. Not proven.

My friend Jason in Main is right on with his post. Both position players were blocked. Why not trade from strength to get what you need.

Granted, if we resign Tex, then it is an even better deal.

Mahay is NO Tom Martin. He is a decent hurler.

Let’s hope JS has another arm up his sleeve (little MIB pun). Starter or reliever, is not as important as just getting a solid pitcher.

I would like to see guys like Boyer, Devine, and Startup get a shot to help the big club also. We need for Yates to develop a hang nail for 2 weeks, to get some rest and give one of our up-and-comers a shot.

My two cents worth……

By Bnone

July 30, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

This is crazy! We gave up our top 3 prospects plus another pitcher! We get a 36 yr old lefty who struggles in key situations and get to rent Tex for year and half. Early rumor by ESPN has Boras asking for 5 years and $100M (according to negotiations with the Rangers). We need pitching to win now! We will regret this trade in 2 years.

By KC

July 30, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

need pitching: Have you seen Julio’s numbers as a pinch hitter this year VS Chris Woodward’s? If anyone’s going, it’s got to be Woody. I’m sure he’s a great guy, but he doesn’t help this team. We don’t need a no-hitting utility guy when we’ve got Escobar.

By ssiscribe

July 30, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Some quick notes from the Scribe as the news of the trade blows through Braves Nation:

— I’ve said for a week and a half to do the deal. I’m glad Schuerholz got it done. This is the biggest trade since Fred McGriff arrived in 1993.

— I’ve said the Braves had to get a reliever, preferably a lefty, in return. The Braves did that. Those of you calling Mahay the second version of Tom Martin are foolish. Look at the guy’s numbers. Look at who he faces in that division. He’s tough. He doesn’t throw it 99, but he gets outs. And, he hasn’t been used too often this season. He’s been lights out the past two months. Very understated addition.

— Several outlets are reporting that 19-year-old right-hander Neftali Feliz is part of the deal, going to the Rangers. Feliz is 2-0 with a 2.05 ERA in seven games (six starts) for Danville in rookie ball this year. Last year, he went 0-2 with a 4.03 ERA in 11 games in the Gulf Coast League.

— This deal is for the here and now, and for the future, too. The Braves, as I’ve been saying, are among a big group of teams capable of winning the National League, which is wide open (10 of the league’s 16 teams start the day within six games of a playoff spot). Now, the Braves jump to the top of that list, in my opinion.

The deal is for next year. With Andruw gone, the Braves have replaced his big bat in the lineup.

The deal is for the future, too. Teixeira will cost a pretty penny, but you’re going to do everything possible to lock up a guy who is just now coming into his prime, at a position where the Braves have trotted out retreads and rookies and Julio Franco for the past six years.

— The deal fixes the Braves’ struggles at first base this year and gives Atlanta one hell of a lineup for the stretch run. Don’t think the Mets are happy about having to face a 2-through-7 of Renteria, Chipper, Tex, AJ, McCann and Frenchy nine more times this year in the heat of the race?

— Salty is going to be a good one, I feel. But Tex already is a good one, with two Gold Gloves, a career .284 hitter with 30-plus homer and 100-plus RBI averages.

— Elvis is two years away. Lillibridge will be here at some point next year. Good call to ship Elvis, not Lillibridge.

— Harrison has plenty of promise, but I think Jo Jo Reyes is going to be good. And, there is Chuck James. Two good young starters, along with Hudson and Smoltz.

— Speaking of Smoltz, he’s not getting any younger. Neither is Chipper. Neither is Cox. The time is NOW to go for it, and the Braves are doing just that.

— At the same time, the Braves did NOT mortgage the future. They still have Escobar. They still have McCann. They still have Francoeur (who, I think, they will lock up this winter). They still have Lillibridge. They still have Kelly Johnson, Brandon Jones and the young pitchers I just mentioned.

This, folks, is a heck of a move, one that gives the Braves a REALLY GOOD SHOT at competing for a trip to the World Series THIS YEAR and NEXT YEAR, without sacrificing the future. No way in the world you can say no to this deal if you are the Braves, even if you’re giving up Salty and Elvis, both of whom are blocked at their positions.

Great deal. Now, it’s up to Tex, Mahay and the 23 guys they’ll be joining to make it happen. The Braves HAVE to make the playoffs now. Because of this deal, they will not only do just that, they will play deep into the 10th month of the year.

The road to the National League pennant just got re-routed through Atlanta.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Bob

July 30, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Yes, very good deal. Probably good for both teams long term, but then again that is the way it should be. I think Salty will really be good, but not here in Atlanta.

That being said, we need to find us another starting pitcher. I absolutely believe that most of the current bullpen problems stem from being heavily overworked the first half. We have absolutely got to get more innings from James, Carlyle and any of our #5 guys. We cannot continue to get 5 or less innings from them.

I realize there isn’t much out there, but we have to find somebody to eat innings and at least give us a shot of winning the game.

Still, I think this is a great trade and creates a lineup that is as good as it gets in MLB…not just the NL.

By Ryno

July 30, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

So, the Braves absolute main problem is and has been pitching and JS picks up a big bat? Trying to win games 11-10 is not a good formula for success. JS got screwed by settling for a mediocre reliever when the better one was there to be had. Good luck, Salty. You got out just in time. And now, Elvis has left the building!

By Jason J.

July 30, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

The future is NOW! The Braves finally did something BIG at the deadline. This is a great deal for the pennant run this year. Tex is a high average, HR Power, Gold Glove, RBI machine (everything that we were HOPING to get from Salty). I wish Salty the best in Texas but at his best he would be like Tex is RIGHT NOW! I wish I could have seen Elvis play but we’re stocked with middle infielders (they basically gave away Tony Pena Jr. and he’s having a good year). I’m going to the game tomorrow hoping Tex will be in the line-up, you think he will be?

By Viva Rufino Linares

July 30, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

We gave up way too much. Losing Harrison will really hurt us in the long run. As far as signing Tex long term, he is a Boras client so it will be unlikely or extremely expensive. Salty, we hardly knew ya! Good luck in Texas

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Don I can bet you whatever you want that we are already in the playoffs…. Send me your bank account number.

I dont see mets playing as a great team tht we cant catch. more than 50 games to pick up 4.5? That could be done in 10 days man.

I can bet you muts are scratching their head and the move alone puts pressure on them.

If this guy can score or drive in one run per game (on average)that would be all the braves need. The upgrade is of about 500%.

By Novice Ned

July 30, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Good deal if Mahay performs at pre All Star level and Tex exceeds production of Salty, Thorman and Franco. The latter seems very likely, if he stays healthy. It’ll be interesting to see how McCann responds to the trade… did having Salty on the club help/hurt him? I hope Bryan Pena is ready for the prime time.

By Dictator

July 30, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

HELL NO!!!! WE GAVE UP TOO MUCH, WHAT IF TEX DOESN’T RESIGN? WHY NOT PLAY SALTY MORE? STR8 B******

By John Mullen

July 30, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Ah, I remember those days. Like when I traded Brett Butler and Brook Jacoby for Len Barker. After all, Butler was just a ping-hitting outfielder, and we had Brad Komminsk tearing up Richmond. And Jacoby? Who would have thought he’d start for Cleveland all those years. Bravo John. Hope that Andruw Jones for Chris Carpenter trade works out.

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

This will go down as the worst trade in the history of baseball. I am a lifelong fan. I have watched every inning of every game since I was old enough to walk. I will never watch another Braves game until Schuerholz is gone. Schuerholz has come in here and traded away all of the young talent Bobby Cox developed for years before Schuerholz got here. Every year he makes another ridiculous deal like this in which the Braves give up their top 1,2,3,4 prospects in the organization, many times the top prospects in all of baseball, for 1 or 2 players. This trade will not help the Braves. It only makes Schuerholz look like he made a big trade. I have finally had enough of this. I am done.

By rooster

July 30, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

For those who really don’t like this trade and think we gave up too much, think about this. There were several trade deadlines that we kept prospects instead of getting All-Star caliber players. You B* about that then for not pulling the trigger, now we do something and you B. I attend over 25 Braves games a year and I live in Tennessee, I am happy that my money spent at games is finally going to use. The reason why we only have 1 world championship is because we failed to land major impact players at the deadline. So, I say to all the haters when we hoist that trophy in the last days of October keep your b* mouths shout. Your either a fan or a piece of bandwagon S**.

By ugadawg

July 30, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

I have a feeling that we’re trading Salty for a season and a half rent-a-player. I hope I’m wrong, but that seems to be a steep price considering that if given the chance, we could have probably converted Salty into a fine fielder.

Not to mention that now, whenever McCann sits, the mighty Bryan Pena will be behind the plate… not a great confidence boost.

By SteelCav

July 30, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Nice pull Andy J

By steve

July 30, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

KJG said -
“The people against this trade are the same ones who thought we should have given up Chipper to the Rockies instead of David Nied. They’re also the same ones who didn’t want Crime Dog or the Big Cat. JS knows what he’s doing.”

I definitely think JS knows what he is doing. I think he is the best GM in the business. However, as far as I know, he is not infallible. All you have to do is look at the fact that he just gave a decent lefy out of the bullpen for a guy they just dropped from the roster a few weeks after he arrived. JS is great, but no one is perfect all the time.

All of the previous moves you mentioned, I completely supported. However, I still think this one is only good for a short term gain and will really hurt in the future.

I think you overgeneralized just a bit.

By JAKE

July 30, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

It was a great DEAL. We need another bat to protect the Jones boys for this season. I do love Salty but as long as he stayed in ATL he was not going to develop very well being a backup. I do think that if we gave up four prospects we should of got C.J. Wilson, but what we got is good too. I HOPE we sign him to a multi-year deal….and SOONER THE BETTER

By NO~TO~AMNESTY~!

July 30, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! Now Georgia—-GET off your a*******es and get out to the ballpark and SUPPORT OUR YOUNG BRAVES!!!! World Series here we come!

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

I’m assuming B. Pena will get called up to backup McCann. So, who will get the axe. My preference is Woodward but the problem is the Braves don’t have anybody else on the bench with his versatitlity (so much as it is). I would assume Thorman goes. Now, I wonder if a deal with a team like the A’s for Bobby Kielty would work. The Braves could send Thorman for Kielty and in Kielty the Braves would an outfielder who can play all three outfield positions and they do have Harris who can play 2B and 3B.

By rooster

July 30, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

For all of those b* about the Braves needing pitching, remeber this. JS would not have made this trade if he wasn’t going to aquire more pitching. You don’t play to win now knowing your one starting pitcher away and one dominate reliever away from being the best team in the majors. JS gets pitching Braves are 2007 World Champs over the Boston Red Sox. Call me a fool but you wait and see. This team is not as bad as the media puts it out to be. They just have to bounce back every time the lower part of the rotation pitches.

By ChampDawg

July 30, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Good deal only if we can sign him for 3+ years. Hopefully we will also have the money to keep Andruw. I don’t think bullpen help is a need— need another quality starter, not bullpen help. Without another starter, the Braves are still lacking and will not compete……. unless they plan on out-slugging the Mets and Phils! NEED A STARTER!!! James, Reyes, etc. ain’t gonna cut it!!

By Ron

July 30, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

What a bad deal for Atlanta UNLESS we can resign him to an extension or unless we win a World Series with him!!! If we dont sign Tex to an extension this might be JS worst move EVER!!! We could not EVEN get CJ Wilson in that damn deal!!! Instead we get a 36 year old Lefty!!! At least you would think we could have gotten Gagne, at the very least!!! We will probably end up having NOTHING to show for this deal in 2009!!!

By jack

July 30, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

This is as great a deal as Hudson. GREAT, GREAT, GREAT MOVE. Now, like Hudson, we need to sign this guy long term. This is a once in a long time opportunity to nail down power and defense at the corners. Everyone has already made all the good Salty comments. We all hate to see him gone. You know, this will be very good for his future also. All he has to do now is prove himself. I personally will take McCann any day. Team Youth, Youth, Youth!!!!! GREAT MOVE!!!!

By Mark

July 30, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

GREAT nove. A left handed set up man PLUS a power bat for 1B! Anyway we can still get Millwood for our rotation? How about Thorman and Yates for Millwood?

By Sam

July 30, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

John is a maestro…I love this deal and hope we can find a way to extend Texiera’s deal although that’s not apparently a dire need. We can offer him arbitration or an extention after this season.

Imagine this Boros scenario: The Braves offer a 5-year $16mm/year offer to Texiera or Andruw…whoever takes it first, gets the $$.

By KC

July 30, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

DOB: How soon will it be official, and will there be a press conference?

By Amber

July 30, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Sounds good for now, but the Braves have got to keep Tex and Mahay for longer than a few months, or even a year. I’m tired of just getting rental players - let’s make it work and stick!

Hate to see Salty go, but between him and Escobar, he’s the one I’d trade. I hope he becomes a big star and gets to play on a winning team again.

By HalJ

July 30, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

This is better than McGriff. This is Doyle Alexander going to the Tigers for a kid pitcher. Alexander helped the Tigers get to the WS, and Texiera will help the Braves do the same, this year.

If Andruw gets and unmatchable deal he and Boras feel compelled to take, and if Renteria is also lost, the Braves — even with the current payroll restrictions — will have enough money to keep Steinbrenner from buying Texiera — unless Tex harbors a secret dream of being a Yankee, or an Oriole, where Angelos will try to bring him home.

But if the Braves can find one more starter, this year, and if Mike Hampton can make it back — with or without Andruw next year — the Braves have a shot at TWO consecutive WS appearances.

I think Texiera will make that much difference. I also think that the kid lefty, Reyes, has a chance to be that solid fifth starter, when he gets over his jitters and stops throwing the ball over the middle of the plate.

Kyle Davies also has a chance, and don’t sell JS short when it comes to finding yet another Buddy Carlyle.

Braves are in great shape, right now.

Hope the Mets win tomorrow night, and then lose every game thereafter.

The Braves are going to win a lot of games from here out, but I’m pulling for Tommy to win just one more.

Crank ‘em up, Bobby! Get this Express rrrroooolllllliiiiinnnnn””’

By DrHoo

July 30, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

It’s absolutely a good deal this year and next - we have a team in place that can win now. In 2009 Smoltz, Chipper, Edgar, and Andruw are likely all gone or at least declining in production. Long term I am only worried about losing Harrison. We have good depth at SS and a great young catcher, but giving up our best minor league pitching prospect hurts. Of course the last great pitching prospect to come up through the Braves farm system and succeed was Jason Schmidt, so the odds are good Harrison isn’t going to become a superstar we’ll miss.

By Fire T. Moore!

July 30, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Casey - ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID? Kudos JS!! Now send Andrew to pasture and Willie to center— THIS IS CHRISTMAS IN JULY!!!

By georgia_dawg

July 30, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

The Braves finally got some power at 1st base. But when the season ends, so will the power. Teixeira will be gone because the Braves won’t be able to afford him with Scott Boras as his agent.

By Patrick

July 30, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

fantastic!!!

By Glynn M

July 30, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

I do not like this deal. Tiexeria is a great player and we needed a lefty reliever but i just dont think it was worth all of the young talent we gave up. Salty is going to be a great player and Andrus and Harrison are top notch prospects. Myabe Id feel differently if I knew that we would hva etiexeria locked up for a long term deal, but we dont. and with his agent being Scott Boras who knows if Tex will be a Brave beyond next season.

By This Gets Old

July 30, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

The payroll is 15th, 15th!!! Liberty is a corporation and they’re not going to spend on a baseball team, they have stockholders. You don’t win very long without spending and yes it’s not everything. This guy (Texira) has the toughest agent is sports (Boras).

It would be one thing to pony up if people actually showed up for the games but there are 1,001 excuses for why all of the “fans” don’t show up.

In addition we got swept by the Reds, the REDS at home no less. It’s not a WS team. Now this trade will energize the club but you’re not going to win by not spending and trading young pitching. Anybody who watched Wainwright close out the WS last season should have seen that.

By the way the farm system isn’t that deep anymore. All of those guys are either up with us or somewhere else. The farm system exists solely to help the major league club. I get that, I just don’t think we’re a WS club.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Casey, quit being a drama queen. This is far from the worst trade in baseball history. Yes, the team gave up a lot but it also greatly improved its chances of getting to the playoffs this year and actually having a chance to advance. Andrus was a great prospect but had two SS ahead of him. Salty is a catcher and in case you haven’t noticed we already have a catcher who is in his second full season and has been to two all-star games. Harrison is a great pitching prospect but we still have Reyes and Dan Smith. And the other prospect is supposed to be a good one but I had never heard of him before today and I know most on here haven’t either. And, I don’t want anybody to tell me the opposite because I’m on this blog everyday and had never heard that kid’s name mentioned once.

By John Tucker

July 30, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Great trade for the Braves to get Texieraand a lefty reliever for prospects. Now, trade Andruw Jones while he’s still got a little value. ALso, unload payroll by trading Renteria and getting another starter or closer.

By Marty

July 30, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Some of you people are hilarious. We “traded away the farm” because we traded a catcher we have nowhere to play, a SS who may be great but currently is roo raw — and we have two other excellent prospects ahead of him anyway in Escobar and Lillibridge, and a pitcher who already has injury problems?

Atlanta — the City Too Busy To Hate…except on its baseball team.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

BravesDave-Just heard DOB on Home Plate on XM and Harrison passed his physical this morning-apparently the shoulder problem was no big deal. Luv2Hate Me-Dude, you really need to get a clue cause you don’t have one now. Do y’all realize just how loaded our minor league system is? We have likely the best farm system in baseball and every other club knows it. It was never a real contest between us and the other Texiera suitors because no one else has the disposable minor league talent we do. Andrus? Y’all he was probably number 4 in line for SS. We have bona fide prospects already at every infield position waiting in the wings. We still have Brandon Jones and can still move Kelly Jhnson to the outfield next year, Francoeur to center and still have Brandon, another Jones boy. It is sounding very much like DOB was right and there will be another $10-20 mil in the budget for next year. Wicky is gone in 08, Andruw is gone (and replaced) in 08 and we could trade Edgar if necessary. All of this plus the budget increase will set us up looking for pitching. I fail to see the downside here. Y’all act like we gave up the farm, but there’s still very much life down there. The tank is far, far from empty.

By Alex

July 30, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

GREAT DEAL! However, should we worry that racist Jackson and racist Sharpton are going to do one of their famous protests since the Brvaes did not pick up a darky and that the team is “too white?” Ha. Vick, SCLC, NAACP, burn in h_ll.

By braves fan

July 30, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Absolutely a great deal for Atlanta. First off 27 year old sluggers that hit over .290, and average 35 HR and 125 RBI every year, plus provide gold glove defense don’t fall out of the sky every day. Add to that a serviceable left handed reliever who can actually get lefties out, fills two of the Braves glaring weaknesses. And you give up a prospect at catcher (who I’ve read some people think will be as good as McCann) who was so good he couldn’t beat out a 49 year old .220 hitter for a starting job. You can talk about defense all you want to, but that aint why he wasn’t starting at 1B. Something else is at work here, whether it was just the Braves protecting his value as a catcher or whether Cox just didn’t see what he obviously has seen in guys like Francoeur, McCann and Kelly Johnson, to stick them out there everyday and let them succeed. Even Escobar has caught Bobby’s eye in that way, even though he doesn’t have an everyday spot to put him in. And you also give up an 18 year old slick fielding SS (slick fielding is a red flag description of a player who can’t hit) who I think is likely to see the majors as quickly as Wilson Betemit did. Plus a guy who was rated before the season as the Braves top pitching prospect. But if he was the kind of starter that the Braves believed had what it took to stick in the rotation, he would have been there already instead of everyone having to stomach the Mark Redman/Kyle Davies/Lance Cormier/Anthony Lerew debacle that has been the #5 spot in the rotation. You can’t tell me he needed more seasoning because he was in AA. Almost all the Braves players who have successfully stuck here have come from AA or lower to the big club. AAA is a place where you go for relievers, emergency starters and bench/role players, and where you send guys who don’t pan out in the bigs. Not that he’s been a big success, but Jo Jo Reyes is up from AA, the same team as Harrison. So if they thought higher of Reyes and he’s not tearing it up right now, then you can only wonder what Harrison might have offered.

All of this adds up to the Braves filling two of their needs and only giving up potential and promise. Potential and promise usually amount to squat. The best players come in with a bang and make it impossible for a manager to sit them down.

Welcome back to the ATL Tex!!!

By Yars

July 30, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

I salute Schuerholz for making this trade. We needed the extra offense. Plus, there was no room for Salty. His future is at catcher, not 1B. No room for Elvis Andrus either. Escobar will probably wind up being our everyday SS next season & for years to come most likely. Not surprised to see Matt Harrsion included in the trade. I hope JS still addresses the starting rotation. I just can’t see how we can make the playoffs with a rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, James, Carlyle, Jo Jo. I still think Jo Jo should still be in Richmond. Carlyle we forget is nothing but a journeyman pitcher. He’s pitching good, but what will his record look like 1 month from now? James is a junk pitcher. Throws nothing but junk. I’m not saying he’s pitching bad, but has the potential to be pitching better. He needs to learn a new pitch. Hudson would probably have 14 wins right now. We would be talking Cy Young award. Just imagine what damage our offense could do once Andruw gets his *hit together at the plate.

By Lee

July 30, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Why not do the trade………..we needed to try something or else the remainder of this season is headed downwards. Until this trade the Braves were and have been nothing more than a break even sort of team. Maybe this jump starts them some. A.J. is gone next year so we have his bat covered (and more). Tex will not hit around the Mendoza line all year. If we sign Tex beyond 2008 it is a bonus, if not, so be it. Salty would have been traded in the off-season anyway…maybe for less value. As far as the other prospects, who knows how they will turn eventually turn out. NOBODY that’s who. At least we traded them to a team that certainly will not get in our way of reaching the playoffs in years to come.

By Jman

July 30, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Great trade. Best and biggest since the McGriff trade. Guys if you are wondering why give up 4 good prospects. Here some reasons. Chipper is 35 years old! And oft-injured. John Smoltz is 40 and a couple years from retirement. Andruw Jones is LEAVING next year. The next two years are the best chance for the Braves to return to the playoffs and World Series. Why keep Salty, and Elvis for the “POSSIBILITY” that they are going to be tremendous players in 5 years when everyone else the Braves count on is gone? Shutup and enjoy TEX!

Still need a starting pitcher though. Think they can afford to deal Renteria now and get a really good Starting pitcher in return…Go Braves!

By GSU-Lee

July 30, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

This is Simple: If they re-sign Tex, this is a Great deal. We gave up prospects we do not need, for a great player that we will need. If he does not re-sign, then the deal is not that good.

By Shaun

July 30, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

ugadawg,

It’s not just about turning Salty into a fine fielder. It’s also the fact that he loses value offensively as a firstbaseman.

If he is a significantly above average hitter, he’s probably going to be one of the best offensive catchers in the league but would only be a relatively ordinary offensive firstbaseman.

By Lee

July 30, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

This is only a good deal if we can keep Teixeira long term. The Braves are an excellent franchise but lately we seem to get big time players for a year and then let them leave because we won’t pay them the big $$ (ie- Sheffield, Drew, etc). Giving up four young prospects for less than 2 years of service from Teixeira will be disappointing. I hope Teixeira provides the fix we need and I hope the Braves can sign him to a long term deal. Once this takes place I will be happy with the trade.

By genuinebravesfan

July 30, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

We haven’t had a real Star at first base for awhile. Maybe, now we do. Prospects are just that, unproven young players. Let’s go for what’s available now. JS knows that players get hurt, situations change and many other variables can change a season. Take what you can get now. We do need another proven starter for the rotation. Go Braves - all the way to the World Series!!

By Glynn M

July 30, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Tex is good, but we shouldve traded Mike Gonzalez for Adam LaRoche.

By me

July 30, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

This a bad trade for a team that is not going to the playoffs. With the new owners coming in, we still don’t know how much of a payroll they are going to spend.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Rooster-You’re right Dude. I would be willing to bet there’s more to come and JS ain’t done yet. UGADawg-when were you at UGA?

By Jill

July 30, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Who’s going to be Atlanta’s backup catcher now?

By DeWayne

July 30, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

I personally think that it’s a great deal. Prospects are just that…prospects. You never can tell whether or not they will pan out…especially pitching prospects. I’m glad that the Braves took a chance, instead of being too cocky to believe that they can just plug in homegrown talent and always have it work out.

By Jill

July 30, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Oh wait, Brayan Pena will probably be the backup. Cancel my previous question. :)

By dixie_flyer

July 30, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

I don’t think that it’s such a good deal — we get Tex instead of Salty for 800 at bats, which is not a huge improvement…if any of the 4 players involved turn out to be solid major leaguers, then it is a bad deal

By Chris

July 30, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Great move by the Braves. I won’t go in to why, as the why has already been covered.

For those concerned about his stint on the DL:

He played a Rangers record 507 consecutive games before pulling his quad running out a grounder. Durability is not a question. Everyone gets hurt every once in a while. He’s as durable as Francoeur.

We’ve got him for two playoff runs and I think we have a good shot at keeping him around since Andruw will undoubtedly be gone, Hampton’s contract will be off the books, and Liberty has said they would like to up payroll a bit.

By Wrekker

July 30, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

He’s a Yellow Jacket Baby!!! Of course it’s a great deal. GOOOO JACKETS!!!!

By PutMeInCoach

July 30, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Casey Hudson,

I want to inform you that you’ve been traded to the NY Mets blog for a keyboard and some extra bandwith.

Here is the comment from the Blogmaster for the NY Mets fans… “We had to do this deal, I mean the guy is such a moron he fits right in with Omar Minaya’s school of General Managing a ball club…Just pay free agents whatever they want and pray”

More news on this trade to come…

By Chris Jones

July 30, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Great Great deal gives the Braves a huge boost to the lineup,and at the same time gives a lefty reliever in the bullpen. Although I am a huge Salty fan sometimes you got make that decision to get a player of that caliber. Good luck Salty!!!

By pinkygonzales

July 30, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

the only part of this deal that scares me is Harrison. Salty was fine, but it became obvious early on that he would not be even a serviceable first baseman defensively, and with us already giving up some defense on the right side with Johnson, we couldn’t afford to play him there. McCann is our number 1 catcher, and he should be. Andrus will probably be a good player, but right now we still have Escobar, who will be our shortstop of the future, and also Lillibridge, who will be the shortstop of the future if it’s not Escobar. But Harrison is a left-handed starter. That’s the only part that really scares me. But otherwise, I think it’s a great deal.

By STRETCH

July 30, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Love the trade. People that dont know much about how a trade works are always going to be angry, but the fact is…what are you going to do with 2 All-star catchers when you dont have anything at first base???

The lineup is dangerous now and the guys need to stay healthy though. The METS and PHILLIES have key injuries as well. Heres a look at both teams.

METS: J. Valentín 2B Jul 21 15-day Fractured right tibia C. Gómez LF/RF Jul 5 15-day Fractured left hand E. Chávez LF/RF Jun 7 15-day Strained left hamstring D. Sánchez RP Mar 23 60-day Fractured right shoulder, out 3-5 months P. Martínez SP Mar 23 15-day Recovery from torn right rotator cuff J. Padilla RP Mar 23 60-day Partial tendon tear, right elbow

and Pedro Martinez is not the old Pedro!

PHILLIES:

R. Madson RP Jul 30 15-day Right shoulder strain C. Utley 2B Jul 27 15-day Fractured right hand - out 3-6 weeks J. Werth RF/LF Jun 29 15-day Left wrist strain J. Lieber SP Jun 21 60-day Ruptured tendon in right foot F. Rosario RP Jun 16 15-day Right shoulder strain F. García SP Jun 9 60-day Sore right shoulder S. Mathieson SP Apr 1 60-day Recovery from right elbow surgery

By Cubs Fan

July 30, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Great trade by the Braves. I like it—this should mean there will be a good chance the Cubs will be coming here during the playoffs! Could be a heckuva series if it happens.

By bwash21

July 30, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

For those who think this is a bad trade, you have to remember that we can only field 9 guys at a time. Personally, I’ve not been this excited about the pennant run since we got McGriff. We gave up 3 huge prospects then too. Anyone even remember who they were? Elvis bat is a question mark anyway and he’s years away from playing regardless. Even if 2 of these 3 prospects turn out great, I’m glad we are trying to do something now. Does anyone realize that no other teams have yet to pull anything off yet! That’s huge. I can’t wait to see Tex in a Braves uni and hopefully we’ll see him here in 2009 too. I LOVE IT!

By DonCoburleone

July 30, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Everyone who is b!tch!ng about our starting pitching needs to realize how good Chuck James has been lately. He IS a legitimate #3 starter right now and if we get into the playoffs all you really need is a 3 man rotation… Over his last 5 starts, here are Chucky’s stats: 2-1, 31 IP, 1.49ERA, 1.16WHIP, 21K’s. Find me another #3 starter in the National League who has been better than that over the last month? Teixera gives us the biggest offensive and defensive upgrade we could have asked for. I mean, I couldn’t have hand-picked another non-pitcher I’d rather have (except maybe Pujols)… We get to the playoffs now with offense, defense, Smoltz, Hudson, James, Wickman, Soriano and Moylan! Just think about it like this people: If healthy, we have NO weaknesses defensively and NO weaknesses offensively (except maybe McCann on defense)… WE ARE NOW THE MOST COMPLETE TEAM IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE!!!

By george

July 30, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

According to the Dallas Morning News the pitcher is Neftali Perez, not Matt Harrison. The Rangers fans also like the trade (some 76%). I agree with them. The Braves gave up too much for a player they will not be able to sign after next year.

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 30, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

“Andrus may have potential as a glove man, but will never be the offensive force Escobar will be.”

Guess you have to define “offensive force”. If you mean Edgar Renteria-like, sure, some pop in the bat, lots of doubles, etc. But if you mean a slugging run-producer, that’s probably a little off. And Andrus has six years and a lot of filling out to do before he’ll be Escobar’s age.

I’m not saying Andrus shouldn’t have been included in the trade, just that there’s no need to rationalize his inclusion by saying he’ll be less of a player than Escobar. No way to know at this point, and that was a good enough reason to package him.

By lyuff

July 30, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

I love the trade. Deal from strength to shore up a weakness!

By DonCoburleone

July 30, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Did anybody notice there have been over 200 posts in 70 minutes so far? That has to be a record, what a trade!!!

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Not to say we are not going to do much this season, but next season is even a better chance since gonzo will be back and maybe hampton and our young guys including james will be even better. Only minus will be that smoltz will be older and maybe not as effective.

I really dont see how this deal clearly does not put up ahead of every team in the east. And it was needed because if we get into playoffs, we will be meeting dodgers or padres somewhere on the road, so it was a must to prepare for that, even if we have done good against them this season. Their pitching could make a short series even shorter if you dont have the weapons.

By crs

July 30, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

This team continues to mortgage the future for teams that have no shot. Starting pitching is AWFUL! This is a 500 team people, we can not win the division or the wild card with this group.

By BRIAN

July 30, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

WHAT’S WRONG WITH SALTY PLAYING FIRST BASE AND GETTING ON THE JOB TRAINING. TEXIRA WILL COMMAND A LOT MORE MONEY IN 2 YEARS COMPARED TO SALTY. SAVE SALTY

By Jeff

July 30, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

I love this trade, I think this trade was a steal for us. Salty had no place on this team. The short stop prospect is that not good. He made 25 errors this year.And who knows about the pitching we gave up. The lefty we got back has a 2.39 era pitching for the Rangers. I think the BRaves are done making trades unless they can get a pitcher for cheap. A rotation if James,Hudson, Smoltz carisle is pretty good. I also like it because for years the Braves have done jack. I can not wait for Tex to feast on the Muts.

By trevor

July 30, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Hey guys…on Fox sports websie Ken Rosenthal says we are also in the lead for Dotel… Could be a big day for Brave Nation

Go Braves!!!!

By Jerry

July 30, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Sounds great at the moment but when he goes into arbitration he will be asking for what he is worth and the Braves prefer to operate with a K-Mart Blue Light special mentality. Then it’s goodbye Tex, Salty and a couple of good prospects. Maybe Julio has an uncle we can get on the cheap.

By charlie

July 30, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

this trade only made sense if we got gagne or cj…with mahay, although good, it doesnt. a rental and an old guy. hmmm….

By ArkyTech

July 30, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Any chance the trade haters out there are Bulldogs who can’t bear for the Braves to be bailed by a Yellow Jacket?

By doodoobailey

July 30, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

With the cheap as owners they will get rid of tex next year and the old as pitcher will retire…good move dumas..and he is a tech nerd to boot.

By braves fan

July 30, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Oh and another reason this deal is a good one is that the key pieces to this Braves team that make them capable of competing for the playoffs are nearing an end. Andruw Jones is a possible walk next season. Edgar Renteria is a free agent after 2008 (and not likely to return with Escobar coming along). John Smoltz has signed his last deal to be here just another couple of seasons. Chipper Jones is 35, and has some producive seasons ahead of him, but he isn’t getting younger. Plus Bobby Cox and John Schuerholz are closer to retirement. So you have to consider how much longer this nucleus is going to be around before they have to take it back to the drawing board. The Teixiera deal makes it clear that the Braves want to make the most of the time they have left with the Jones’, Smoltz, Rent, Cox and Schuerholz, particularly this season and 2008. I believe that Liberty Media has given John S. the ability to add a little bit of payroll, to add to the insurance relief that they are getting from the Mike Hampton injury. (And they only have one more season to get anything out of Hampton as well.)

So giving up on some prospects who may or may not pan out in order to take advantage of the huge all-star talent, coaching and management that is on this team, seems like a worthy price to pay. I predict we’ll all be looking at .500 baseball as a pipe dream, once we lose Smoltz and/or Chipper/Cox/Schuerholz. So let’s just be glad we have what we have now and be glad they are still trying to get to October instead of crying over some SS who might make it to majors in 4 years, or might not.

By bravesfan0707

July 30, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

I’ve already got my tickets for tomorrow night. I hope Tex is in the lineup.

By greenvegas

July 30, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

we are NOT giving up harrison. He is not included in the trade.

By steve

July 30, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Nice trade for the Braves. As a Met fan though, i’m very happy that you didn’t pick up another starting pitcher or Gagne in addition. Well then…let the games begin!

By KC

July 30, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

DOB: We all know JS is still working the phones. Are you hearing anything else?

By Shaun

July 30, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

The trade give the Braves enough offense to cover up some of the pitching deficiencies.

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

The Braves are close to acquiring Royals closer Octavio Dotel as well!!

Click Here

Regards,

Jason

By Stat Heads On Crack

July 30, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Ken Rosenthals latest 4 minutes ago on Octavio Dotel

*The Braves could be on the verge of not only acquiring the best hitter on the trade market, but one of the best relievers as well.

In addition to reaching a preliminary agreement for Rangers first baseman Mark Teixeira, the Braves are close to a deal for Royals closer Octavio Dotel, according to major-league sources.

The Braves, Indians and Dodgers are the three finalists for Dotel, sources say. Royals general manager Dayton Moore, previously an executive with Atlanta, is intimately acquainted with the Braves’ farm system.

The addition of Dotel would give the Braves a trio of formidable right-handers in the late innings — Dotel, Rafael Soriano and Bob Wickman.

The Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers and Mariners also have shown interest in Dotel.* Wouldn’t it be a hoot if this happened to?

By Lucas...

July 30, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

The guys over at fox sports are now reporting that the braves are close to getting the royals closer, Octavio Dotel…. This would be a great day for braves fans…

By Hoosier Aaron

July 30, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Adding Teixeira definitely gives us one of the top offensive teams in baseball - but in no way makes us a contender for the World Series.

We need a top line starter and a legit closer and our late inning bats off the bench - geez. Still some work to be done.

By BossLady

July 30, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

I keep hearing the all the hoopla about Andruw and Tex with Scott Boras. I googled Scott Boras and saw a list of all his clients. This man is representing 90% of all MLB best players. Why is it so prominent here in Atlanta about his two clients? He has about 10-15 players in New York and another 10-15 on the west coast. Here in the south I saw just a few, why is that?

By Jeff Treadway

July 30, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

So what’s the odds that Bobby will still have Andruw batting cleanup?

By former scout

July 30, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

I just laugh at the so-called baseball experts that are lamenting the trade of prospects for Texeira. Salty is a pretty good prospect ( maybe should have traded McCann and kept Salty ), but I doubt seriously that most of the critics have ever seen any of the other “prospects” play except maybe in a spring game. I think it is a steal to get a proven talent like Texeira, and a major league pitcher, for unproven minor leaguers, regardless of what you might have read about them. I also laugh about the comments calling Texeira injury prone…the guy has been injured once in his career, and came back quickly from that. Have you seen Texeira play? When he was at GT most major league scouts viewed him as a bigger, faster, stronger version of Chipper Jones, and he has proven to be that. I would recommend you send a “thank you” note to the Rangers for this deal. And, don’t worry about the Braves farm system….by the time these so-called prospects might have been ready, there will be just as many top prospects in their system who will be ready to play. Don’t forget, they get to draft 50 new ones each year, plus sign free agents.

By Josh

July 30, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Why are people dishing on this trade? I don’t understand the people on here screamin for pitching. Do you see any decent pitchers out there?!?!? There is nothing good out there to get. Hello! We made the best deal we could get. Go Braves!

By David

July 30, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

This is our Scott Kazmir trade.

I hate it.

This is the first time I’ve criticized a JS move since we signed Albie Lopez. We got overly attached to the idea of acquiring one player and it made us overpay dramatically.

This is a disappointing turn of events.

By BSmith

July 30, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Also Laroche would be MUCH cheaper

By HP

July 30, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Just in from Fox Sports Ken Rosenthal:

The Braves could be on the verge of not only acquiring the best hitter on the trade market, but one of the best relievers as well.

In addition to reaching a preliminary agreement for Rangers first baseman Mark Teixeira, the Braves are close to a deal for Royals closer Octavio Dotel, according to major-league sources.

The Braves, Indians and Dodgers are the three finalists for Dotel, sources say. Royals general manager Dayton Moore, previously an executive with Atlanta, is intimately acquainted with the Braves’ farm system.

The addition of Dotel would give the Braves a trio of formidable right-handers in the late innings — Dotel, Rafael Soriano and Bob Wickman.

The Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers and Mariners also have shown interest in Dotel.

Braves take lead in bidding for Dotel

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

July 30, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

I’ll tell you this much , the Braves better win the frigging World Series because they got raped by the Rangers in this trade. Neftali Feliz RP , Elvis Andrus SS , Jarrod Saltalamacchia C , Matt Harrison LP. Thats two of the Braves top position player prospects and two great pitching prospects. For four players I would have expected Eric Gagne or C.J. Wilson along with Teixeira , not Ron Mahay. The Braves better sign Teixeira after 2008 and win the World Series , otherwise the famous Len Barker debalacle will pale in comparison to this trade.

By tim

July 30, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

I think it was a great trade. When Hampton goes off the books that will free up 15 million a year. Should be able to sign him by then. We also needed a left handed reliever bad.

By ssiscribe

July 30, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

As posted above by several, the Braves appear to be in the running for Kansas City closer Octavio Dotel. Now that would be something else!

Meanwhile, the Braves/MIB Blog is blistering its way to a record-setting day. One thousand posts? Heck, we’re gonna hit that by sundown.

What a day in Braves Nation. Stay tuned.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Brooklyn Bob

July 30, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

Something tells me Andruw’s bat heats up quick fast!

By Hoosier mama

July 30, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

good deal, though I fear McCann is going to get injured tonight

murderers row-type lineup when AJ gets hot.

Should test the theory that you can win championships with a great lineup if your bullpen sucks and you only have 1.5 starters.

By Bear

July 30, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Those of you who think this is a bad trade becasue we won’t be able to resign Tex after his year and half….please logically explain why?? I don’t think JS does this deal unless he plans on having Tex around long-term. We potentially have 45mill+ coming of the books between the ‘08 and ‘09 seasons (Ardruw, Rent, Hampton, Wickman), money will not be an issue.

By Fox News

July 30, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

George Bush will hold a press conference at 8pm EST to address the nation about this trade.

He will announce his veto of the trade (he has that authority based on a little noticed provision in the Patriot Act) since it compromises the offensive capabilities of the Texas Rangers. The Democrats will not have enough votes to override the veto. So Tex will stay in Texas.

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

What is with Dotel? Are we in the need of another reliever?

I guess this means no addition to rotation.

Whatever……. I like what we have now, addition would be great but if it does not gets done, after what ive seen till now, it really means there was no chance to get SP.

By Joe D.

July 30, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

Great Move…may end up better than the Fredy M. move. Win now…worry about next year…next year!!! Now go get some more pitching help and start spreading the news…ATLANTA is the favorite in the NL to reach the WS this year!!!

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

WOW I have spent over 30 hours the past few days reading everyone on here giving there opinions and thoughts if this was going down. Even though I’ve been back and forth deciding if I thought this would be a good move, I still don’t know. Noone really does, we just need to accept it has happenen and hope for the best(and Tex to resign).

But as someone posted earlier today, this isn’t even close to the best trades ever for us. Remember the Smoltz and Crime Dog deals?

The only was I think this works out in our favor(unless it carries us into the playoffs this year)is if we sign to a long term deal. I just hope he likes it playing for the Braves and Cox that he bypasses his crazy agent and signs.

I’m not worried too much about Elvus b/c we have Escobar and we’ve waited a while for him to find his bat.I am worried about losing Salty though b/c it is very possible he turns into just as good if not better of a ball player than Tex. Losing both Salty and Harrison is a lot, so we need to move fast on resigning Tex if he works out.

I felt we should have gotten a top SP for Salty from all the teams who were interested in him. Even if that meant waiting until the offseason. I don’t think once Salty was more familiar at 1st that he is a huge drop off.

Anyone know what the deal is w/ Mahay? How long and how much $ is he locked in for?

I don’t think this is at all close to the worst trade ever by JS SERGE. *ell, the Ledezma was even worse. This isn’t even a bad trade. It is “unknown”. If Tex can come over and hit NL pitching out the gate and hit outside Arlington, we’ll be much better off.

Luis you and Serge need to Give JS a break. He had the *alls to make a trade not many would have. By the way, he got the biggest name on the trade market this year. That has to say something. If didn’t make the move you would have bashed him too. This could turn out to be a great move. Soon we can be talking and praising the trade of ‘07.

1st and6 You mentioned Tex being on the DL. Do you realize that before his short stay this year he played in 162 games in ‘05 and ‘06!!

Anyway I hear Sturze is at least a few weeks away so I think this isn’t the only move JS will make.

Luv2Hate ME you are on some stron stuff if you think the Astros would trade Oswalt for Davies and Thorman. I WISH.

If anyone reads this please answer my Mahay question.

Thanks and GO BRAVES

By Dejay

July 30, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Its about time ownership allowed John Schoerholz to get his b@lls off of layaway and make a ‘right now’ deal to win it all. I’m still a little greedy and would like for them to get some pitching help as well, although there just aren’t too many teams interested in moving any viable arms. But since he and Cox are likely to retire after ‘08, they might as well go out with guns blazing and this just might be enough to get them back into the postseason.

As for the prospects they gave up, well that’s all they are right now; PROSPECTS. Prospects are built to help the team by either playing well in the majors or getting traded for a veteran who can.

This is the McGriff deal all over again and I’m happy as a loon for it (oh BTW, anyone around here remember Melvin Nieves? I thought not).

By Sub-mariner

July 30, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Changing of name in blog. Too many posting under the same name as mine these days.

Everyone needs to quick panicking over this trade. You have to accept trades and pull for your team. I, for one, will be glad to see a proven commodity over at first base…finally. People should also be excited that once Pena is brought up either Woodward or Thorman is gone. It just keeps on getting better and better.

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

I was wondering, will Tex be an even better hitter in the NL, as it happens with a lot of hitters an since they say AL pitching is better than NL pitching.

I mean, he could be able to put even better numbers.

By Jason Breaux

July 30, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Hey Dave! Can you clarify which players are exchanging sides. CnnSI is saying that Matt Harrison is not going because of health concerns, so two other minor-leaguers are being traded instead. Which is the correct version? Jason

By MEB

July 30, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

You can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs. Folks… this is going to be one great omelet. We get an all star, switch hitting, power hitting, gold glove winning, first baseman for what amounts to prospects. GIDDY UP COWBOY!!!

I have been in love with the idea of having Salty on the Braves, but we were not going to be able to use him at his natural position. I am hopeful that Salty will do well but I don’t think it will be this year or next. As for Elvis it was going to be cool having a player with such a great name but I hope you are just as cool in Texas.

GO BRAVES!!!

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 30, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

“I doubt seriously that most of the critics have ever seen any of the other “prospects” play except maybe in a spring game.”

Probably true, though there are some on here who have. Not everyone makes up their mind off a stat sheet.

By bigboi

July 30, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Fox is reporting that we are close signing Dontrell willis of the Marlins. A straight up deal for Diaz and a AA pitcher. Great job JS!!!!!!!!

By gotigers72

July 30, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

That was indeed a hefty price to pay for Teixeira and Mahay. Whether it ends up being a smart trade depends on whether or not JS is able to sign him up beyond next year. If not, it’s a terrible trade, worse even than “Rent-A-Drew”. If he and Mahay help get us to the promised land this year and next, it’s still not worth it unless Teixeira is signed beyond 2008.

I’ll bet he and Mahay are jumping for joy now though. Going from a last place team to a pennant race. All players live to play in the glare of a pennant race. Now we’ll see how they play with a little pressure on them. I’ll bet Teixeira ends up being a clutch hitter.

I feel sorry for Salty, going from a pennant chase to a last place team and having to catch in that Texas heat. I wish him luck though. I think he and Elvis will both end up being stars. As good as they end up being, they won’t get Texas out of last place, which is where Texas will stay until they get some pitching. They are next to last in ERA [4.94] in the majors, better only than the hapless Tampa Bay Devil Rays at 6.06! That’s right, 6.06! No wonder they’re the worst team in baseball, by far, followed by the Rangers and others with pi** poor pitching.

By Ryan

July 30, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Salty will be a good player - but he’s not a legit firstbaseman. In his last 13 games he is hitting under .200 - hardly what you need out of the 1B slot. McCann is the long term option at catcher, so unfortunately this move had to be made. I applaud John Schurholz.

By R. D. Brown

July 30, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

I am not convinced that this latest trade by the Braves will prove to be the best possible move 18 months from now. There is a good chance that the Braves in 2009 will have neither Teixeira nor Andruw Jones because the salaries as negotiated by Scott Boras will be out of sight. With either on the payroll, can the Braves afford what they really need the most? Another starting pitcher.

Teixeira is no sure bet to carry the Braves to the playoffs. Even if they get to the playoffs, they lack the starting pitching to do much more than the first round. There is no real reason to believe that starting pitching will be much better in 2008.

Given that the Braves don’t have the starting pitching to do much more than possibly squeeze into the playoffs, and that Andruw will elsewhere next year, I don’t see the logic in giving up loads of talent trading for a guy who may be gone after one full season.

Is Saltalamachia not capable of learning to play first base at the major league level? Is Thorman incapable of developing?
Is Tex really going to make that much of a difference this year? Can he overcome a weak starting rotation? I doubt it. The Braves need starting pitching, not some fancy dan first baseman who is only marginally better than what they have now.

By Patrick

July 30, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

This trade definitely reminds me of the McGriff trade. Let’s just hope there’s no fire up in the private suites again!! Hopefully this trade doesn’t signal the beginning of the end of our homegrown son Andruw. Let the charge back to the postseason begin!!

By Michael

July 30, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Bear, Best comment ever.

By Randall

July 30, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Might as well, you knew they were going to give him to somebody eventually. I’m really just glad Yunel wasn’t the guy, he’s shown more big time ability so far and he gives them a chance to move Edgar to help them selves a little more. Some organizations develop position players and it seems some produce ptures like Oakland. They will be other guys in the turnpike soon. Don’t forget Brian is two-time allstar in a short time.

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Hey *steve you seem to be the only met fan that have manners and that doesnt writes down stupid comments.

By michael

July 30, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

I meant Fox News, best comment ever.

By Ed D'agostin

July 30, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Would have done deal and hope the Braves can signMark Texiera to long term deal.

By Tim

July 30, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

The deal is too expensive… Salty should’ve been placed on first and learned the position… his bat will be every bit as good as Tex’s and would’ve been with the braves for many more years… Boras will assure Tex is too costly to keep, so we’ve sold the future for 1 1/2 years of service from Tex.

Nothing wrong with Tex, but the future lies with Salty and his group coming up through the ranks…

By Colin

July 30, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Braves Close To Acquiring Octavio Dotel

**Interesting development via Ken Rosenthal: the Braves are close to a deal for Royals’ closer Octavio Dotel. They apparently have made a better offer than finalists Cleveland and Los Angeles.

Royals GM Dayton Moore knows his way around Atlanta’s farm system, of course. He had all kinds of player development roles within the Braves organization. The Braves’ top three prospects heading into the season per Baseball America were Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, and Matt Harrison. With those three out of the picture perhaps Moore is going for outfielder Brandon Jones or first baseman Scott Thorman.

Quite a day for Atlanta…now to snag a starter…**

By Bill B.

July 30, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

The Braves will regret this. While Little Tex may have some good numbers he comes up small when it really counts and he is a crybaby. And do I need to really point out that he brings along Scott Borass? Good move for Texas to get rid of that whining cancer bad one for the Braves to pick him up.

By Interested Observer

July 30, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

DOB: You need an intern! Someone who can keep the blog updated while you’re out digging up the info and taking care of your other responsibilities.

By JD

July 30, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Great trade, but we still need a starter or poor ole’ Mahay’s arm will wear out. The badside… now Cox has to get a backup catcher, probably Pena from AAA, but he never plays him. Must have sent him down when they brought up Salty to give Pena at bats. Otherwise, Cox and Co. might go after their typical “veteran catcher with experience” ala Pratt, Blanco, Bako, etc. Those type. I think they’ll trade Thorman + Prado or Escobar for a decent starter. Probably won’t see that happen until mid Aug when a few more teams fall out of the playoff race.

By LT

July 30, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Horrible, no chance of signing Teixera, he will go back to baltimore after next year. Salty is going to be a consistent MVP canidate, and Mccann get hurt to often not have a great option behind him, Salty would have been a better option at first than franco..unless we win a WS this yer or next, this move is retarded..and since the braves only have a mediocre starting staff i dont see them winning to many playoff games

By Colin

July 30, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

What else we going to do today get THE HAMMER BACK

By LT

July 30, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Horrible, no chance of signing Teixera, he will go back to baltimore after next year. Salty is going to be a consistent MVP canidate, and Mccann gets hurt too often not have a great option behind him, Salty would have been a better option at first than franco..unless we win a WS this yer or next, this move is retarded..and since the braves only have a mediocre starting staff i dont see them winning to many playoff games

By Ralph

July 30, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

This is a very good trade but it needs one more addition. We need another quality starting pitcher equivalent to Smoltz and Hudson. Then we will become a championship caliber team.

By Sleigh Bells Ring!

July 30, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

TICKET SELLS ARE SOARING!!! Santa Claus visited Atlanta in July!!! GO BRAVES and get your tickets now people - I have a friend in marketing for the Braves and he tells me tickets for the Astro series are going fast!

By KT

July 30, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

As long as we have Schuerholz our future is in great hands. He’s rarely made a move that hasn’t worked out, that “closer who’s name we do not speak”, not withstanding. All bats will heat up, Aundrew, and morale should be way up.

It’s this season now, and there are too many variables to come to save “whatever” for next season.

But that’s just me. KT Alpharetta

By Houston

July 30, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Well what a line up look up at those corners Mark and Chipper …..if Chipper plays (giggle)he seems to have that problem This will not give the Braves anything because they were never going to have ……pitching pitching pitching Residing here in Marietta and being an Oriole fan has been tuff but the day Mark (went to school there and parents still live there)gives his signitature to Orioles it will be great for me I do have to admit a great trade but then the Texas newspapers polls say great trade for Rangers 86%…..best trade Mets, no giving up great young kids and still winning division

By Mike

July 30, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Rosenthal is reporting the Bravos are now the frontrunners for Dotel. JS makin power moves at the deadline.

By Thrillhouse44

July 30, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

KC: I answered on the old blog, but I’ll be gladly making the 7-8 hour trip to ATL from Virginia.

I’m so stoked about this deal! Our lineup is extra stout - like Guiness.

By stephen

July 30, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

so we got rid of LaRoche, why?

confused

By SteelCav

July 30, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

DOB - How heavily are we involved with Dotel?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7074020

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 30, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

I’d call the trade equitable. Braves get the value of a known commodity, and Rangers get a wealth of potential. Call me in 4 years and I can tell you who won or lost. I’d only give a slight edge to the Rangers in the trade, as of today, because they were able to keep Wilson. I’m assuming that he is the lefty the Braves first asked for. But the Braves got value, and it’s not as if they ruined the team for a decade trying to win in 2007.

By Colin

July 30, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Mets close to getting Luis Castillo from the twins…o wow a over the hill 2nd baseman. MUTS SUCK!!!!!!!

By Stephen

July 30, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Braves land Tex, going after Dotel, and rumors floating around about a starter… sounds like Shurholtz has been given a green light to go ahead and spend and win now!

By Lee

July 30, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

You Guys here? Rosenthal says we have taken the lead in the race for Rosenthal

By Scalp 'Em Braves

July 30, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Good move. Texiera is a proven stud. Don’t know much about the reliever, but beats the hell out of Led-dead. We had no way to plug Salty in the mix regularly. We got scads of talented infielders. Am concerned about giving up two pitching prospects, but never expected us to be able to steal Texiera. Can’t wait to see him anchoring first and hittig clean up. Now, if we could just find a rube to give up someone valuable for Cavem…, er, I mean Thorman…..

By geauxbraves2000

July 30, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

I haven’t seen this kind of dead line activity from JS in a while. I personally think it’s a great trade.

The SP seems to be coming around, so I’m not too concerned if JS doesn’t land a starter. Shoring up the pen may be the better move in the long run, the best pitcher on the trade market may be a reliever. No sense giving up someone for the type of a starter the Braves already have.

Geaux Braves!!

By KC

July 30, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

We’re close to getting Dotel? Holy $%^&*!!!!!!

The Homeboy upstairs isn’t messing around, is he?!

By Ranger Fan

July 30, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Well your getting a good 1st Baseman, hits well and fields very well….Kind of a stif as a person though and possible clubhouse cancer. Ron Mahay gives up the long ball alot.

For today it’s a great trade for the Braves, we’ll see for the Rangers if this works out since we never win anything anyway

By Mike

July 30, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

big boi, are u just throwing dontrelle willis’s name in there to be funny? I havent heard or seen anything about him. i do hope its true though. if we acquire him along with dotel with who we already aquired from texas today mlb might as well give the braves the ws series trophy right now

By SCfan

July 30, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Is Thorman the next goner?

So now with Tex coming, methinks it’s likely that Thorman will be pawned off to any reasonable taker.

There’s no place for Thor any more in the lineup. Obviously, they didn’t bring Franco for no reason. So, if there are two position players that could be dealt, it has to be Woodward and Thorman. At least, Woodward is more valuable, because he can play different positions. As much as it sucks to say this, Pete Orr is probably a better option off the bench because of his speed and versatility in positions. Thorman can basically only play 1b, but as #2 back-up, he ain’t gonna get any playing time. Yes, we may need a left-handed bat and you gotta love the raw power, but do we really want to rely on Thorman down the stretch as a pinch-hitter. Furthermore, with Tex on the club, it’s not really prudent decision to keep Thorman on the bench for 1.5 years, all the while his trade value (if there is any left) goes further down.

And as repeated ad nauseam on this blog, Thorman is out of options, so now would be high time to trade him. Include him in some package for some pitching help, and then bring somebody from the farm or get someone like Morgan Ensberg off the waivers. I mean there has to be a better bench option to Thorman.

By Ryan

July 30, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

GIVE ME CJ WILSON!!! MAHAY IS WAY TOO OLD FOR ALL THESE PROSPECTS!!!

By rickstra

July 30, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Hey guys……The only reason Bobby has started Julio instead of Salty in the last 4 games is because we had this deal done and didn’t want to blow it by getting Salty injured.

By BL

July 30, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Good move for wanting to win today. But I’m not sure McCann can stay healthy for the remainder of the year. Salty was a very good backup and versatile. A great young player.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Arky Tech-I’m a Dawg and have no problem with this trade. He doesn’t pitch for Tech anymore. Just when was the last time Tech beat The Dawgs, anyway? We have much pity for you eggheads-you don’t upset us at all-we save our hate for reptiles. JS isn’t done yet. We still have the best, most well stocked farm system in baseball, even with those four gone. Texiera may well sign long term-there’s no indication we won’t. Liberty has given them the $$$-this deal proves it. Did you really expect JS to run out there yelling “We have another $20 million.”? The guy won’t show his cards. DOB even said it on XM Home Plate this afternoon-the money is there-finally. Y’all are missing all the peripherals. Life will be fine. NONE of these guys has proven anything-except Texiera. Salty didn’t exactly waste opposing pitching and he just wasn’t in our long range plans, no matter what you think of McCann. The one thing no one here has mentioned-the intangibles. Read what Chipper said about his possible acquisition and listen to what Hudson said the other day in Arizona. No matter what y’all think of the trade, the Braves’ players are thrilled. It will carry over into their play, just like McGriff’s arrival did.

By Shaun

July 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

R. D. Brown,

Baseball is not only about starting pitching. You win by scoring more runs that you allow or by allowing fewer than you score. The Braves at worst likely increased their run output without changing their run prevention. That will likely lead to more wins.

Also, again it’s not just a matter of Salty learning to play first. Even if he could become a decent firstbasemen, he loses a lot of offensive value there. It was better to trade him for any impact player they could get (aside from another catcher) that to let him rot away as a backup catcher or in the minors or play him part-time at first. At first he likely would have been merely an average to an above average offensive player. As a catcher he could be one of the best offensive catchers in baseball.

A player’s position isn’t just about defense, although that’s obviously a huge part of it. It’s also about can he hit enough to be all that valuable at a certain position. Derek Jeter would likely be merely a pretty good offensive firstbaseman. As a shortstop he’s one of the most valuable offensive players in the game.

By HP

July 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Lets trade Scott Thorman and Pete Orr for Octavio Dotel.

By JP

July 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Update: Matt Harrison wasn’t in the deal. This trade makes complete sense by filling needs at two positions and by providing a replacement for what would have been Andruw’s missed production next year.

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

for matt diaz? wow, that is a move to think about……. well maybe its is just great since we have harris. Not sure what to think.

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

JD,

I am going out on a limb and saying that I think there is no way they trade Escobar!

Regards,

Jason

By Bear

July 30, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Mahay, makes 1.25 and I think is a free agent after this year. For those wondering…..

By dayf

July 30, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Good Job, JS.

(golf claps)

By Kentavo

July 30, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

As much as all of us pour-mouth the Braves finances and lament how it used to be, there is absolutely no excuse for this team not to make the playoffs.

This team has how many current and former All-Stars?

By my count there’s:

Chipper Jones Andruw Jones John Smoltz Tim Hudson Edgar Renteria Brian McCann

and now

Teixera

That is star-power my friends and it needs to be used to its potential.

By Greg in TN

July 30, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Afternoon Planet Braves…

In the context of the season, particularly since the All Star break, and based on the roster we have now, this trade had to be done.

There was no place for Salty to go, and let’s be really honest with ourselves denizens, first base was worth a shot, but Salty will be best behind the plate at his natural position and will play in a friendlier ball park to hitters. We now have a proven commodity at first base that’s a two-time Gold Glove winner and is hitting a shade under .300 right now. The offense has been too hit and miss lately, mostly miss. Texiera will give Chipper more protection than what AJ has given him this season and sets up a rather daunting lineup for either lefties or righties to face.

This deal also underscores the scarcity of pitching, particularly starting pitching that’s available at the moment. There just isn’t anyone out there that is young, effective or affordable and especially all three.

Someone asked about Mahay’s contract. According to mlb4u.com, he’s a free agent after this season and is making in the neighborhood of $1.25 million.

All of this, plus the potential addition of Dotel tells me that Liberty is serious about keeping the team as a contender for however long they decide to remain the deedkeeper.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

One more thing-If it doesn’t work out, just look at how much all of you opposed to the deal will have to gripe, complain, b!tch, p**, moan and groan about for a couple of years to come. Hell, maybe longer than that. After all, how long has Jason Schmidt been gone? Y’all are still b!tching about that 11 years later. Len Barker too, and that was 25 years ago.

By Cathy

July 30, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

What good will it do the Braves this year? All the hitting in the world can’t win if the pitching staff is not improved. By next year Texiera will be gone,Andruw will be gone and Chipper will play even fewer games. I’ve watched to many ball clubs trade or sell away their future to get all excited about this. Talk to me next year when none of these guys will be around

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

I said on the “old” blog and I say it again. This deal is another “hell-of-a” accomplishment by JS. He is the Man!

And to all of you naysayers: Eat some hay!

By Lee

July 30, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Hopefully DOB’s absence is an indicator that he is very busy trying to find out what the Braves are doing, because apparently JS is doing quite a bit.

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 30, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

ESPN Main Page: Brave New World

Heh heh heh.

By Bob

July 30, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Gave up too much - if we had gotten more pitching on the way back like another reliever it would have been okay.

By Big Mac

July 30, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Looks like we are still shopping as Rosenthal reports that we are in the lead for Octovial Dotel from KC.

Dayton Moore will perhaps ask for Thorman or OF Brandon Jones.

Tex deal would have been better if we had gotten Wilson, but a veteran like Mahay might help our pen as Wickman is not known to be a very good mentor to younger players. Just gotta resign Tex to an extension & hope Harrison doesn’t turn into the next Adam Wainwright.

By randyh

July 30, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

so what does bobby call him Texie or Tushie ?

By Renewed Interest

July 30, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Great Move!!! I’ll take 2 birds in the hand vs. 4 in the bush any day.

By Yars

July 30, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

What are the odds of JS now trading for a decent stating pitcher? I always thought that was our biggest hole to fill.

By Glenn

July 30, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Word just out has the Braves as leaders in acquiring Dotel from KC as well…

By vinney

July 30, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Being a Braves fan since 1940, I say this is one of the worst deals I have seen. Weare giving up too much for so little. Oh well, there goes our future.

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

I suppose that willis trade was a joke, bad joke.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Eh, the Mets needed to pick up a 2B after Jose Valentin (correct me if I’m wrong) broke his shin. Castillo may be over the hill, but he’s gonna help out the Mets. He’s lost several steps from his 40+ steal seasons with the Marlins, and he hasn’t developed a HINT of power to compensate, but he still hits for decent average.

I’ve heard that Renteria may be involved in a Dotel deal. Can someone confirm/deny? Dotel would be a good pick-up, but I’d cut and run if we had to give up Edgar. The Royals don’t have anyone on that team worth giving up Renteria.

By scott

July 30, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

That’s a lot to give up for Tex. I just hope the Braves can sign him long term, which I doubt.

By GSU

July 30, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

I think that was supposed to say the lead in the race for dotel…not rosenthal…

By Shaun

July 30, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

LT,

I think you are the only person who would whine about having a player like McCann. Simply amazing.

By Colin

July 30, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Welcome home TEX and hopefully Dotel in the next few HOURS. GOSH JS IS MY NEW BEST FRIEND

By Ross

July 30, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

This means Andruw is gone - good riddance! They must be planning to keep him long-term and I’m sure he’ll love being in Atlanta again. He’s a Tech guy and that means he’s a stand-up citizen!

I’ve given Andruw every possible benefit of doubt but he’s proven to me that he’s a skrimshanker and I’m sure he’ll be unloaded off-season. Bye A! Hello Tex!

(BTW, the pronounciation is “tuh-SHEAR-ah” - but he’ll be called simply “Tex” :)

-drl

By KC

July 30, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

LT: “Horrible, no chance of signing Teixera”

Wrong. The Braves definitely will have a legitimate chance to re-sign Tex.

There are a few things here you’re not taking into account.

First of all, the Braves will have a great deal of payroll flexibility coming up here over the next couple of years. Andruw’s contract obviously expires at the end of this season, and Chipper and Hampton’s contracts will both expire at the end of next season.

Additionally, indications are that the Braves will have the freedom to increase the payroll. How much? We don’t know, and the Braves front office isn’t’ going to tip their hand… but there is definitely more payroll flexibility under the new ownership, it would appear.

And the last thing you need to consider is this…

Of all the big names that have come through Atlanta over the last 16 years… the Braves have NEVER been the highest bidder for any major free-agent they signed or re-signed. Not once.

Every star player that has signed or stayed in Atlanta, has left a better offer (sometimes only slightly better, other times significantly better) on the table to play in Atlanta. And that includes multiple Scott Boras clients!

The Braves should have the ability to make a fair market value offer to Tex. I’m not saying they will re-sign him. I’m just pointing out that to say there’s “no chance” of it, is way off base. If I were handicapping now, I’d say there’s at least a 40-50% chance that he’ll be here beyond next season.

By flange1

July 30, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Great Trade!!!

The Braves have a great chance to win the division and the pennant this year, and if we can steal Dotel for Thorman, we will be ready to go!!!!

By bob

July 30, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Once again we trade a great up and comer for a possible. Way to go John.

By Shaun

July 30, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Just gotta…hope Harrison doesn’t turn into the next Adam Wainwright.

You mean hope he doesn’t turn into an okay pitcher?

By Salty

July 30, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

So many comments made…wow.
1. Boras - everyone get over it…he represents lots of players every team wants. Consider JS has positioned the Braves to deal with that…and note Lew’s remarks, above. 2. Future/Potential,etc. - only the past is certain…at least Texiera and Mahay are knowns. Worrying about how a prospect will perform in 2-3 years is pointless. You want the best minor league system, or a championship? (PS: I want both!) 3. Trade Proposals - some of the ideas are outrageous (yes, understatement). This is not a flea market where ‘one’s trash is another’s treasure’…and you want partners to trade with in the future. 4. Best Trades Ever - Three years after the Smoltz/Alexander trade, no one knew it was good for the Braves. Now McGriff…pretty immediate…but those don’t happen that often.

By KC

July 30, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Anyone here an ESPN Insider? Can you give me a summary of what Stark has to say on the Dotel rumors? I’m sure it’s nothing earth-shattering… just curious if he has any further insight.

By mc

July 30, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Deals like this make be say words like “Michael Vick Who”? Go Braves

By Chase

July 30, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

ANYBODY who thinks this is a BAD trade is an IDIOT

Sorry but thats how it is!

SALTY MIGHT BE a great player….TEX IS a great player!

We HAVE an ALL-STAR Catcher, Salty is a Catcher….Sorry but that is the position were Salty will have to play.

You people who Hate this trade….Salty is batting LESS THAN .200 Since the first few weeks he was here!

IT IS NOT LIKE WE ARE TRADING THE FUTURE!

Frenchy, McCann, Johnson, Escobar, James, ARE ALL UNDER 25 YEARS OLD

AND lets not forget…TEX IS ONLY 27 HIMSELF

And don’t go saying “we can’t keep him” or “this means Andruw is gone”

BECAUSE….After next year Hampton’s 15 Million will be gone!

THIS IS A GREAT DEAL!

You haters are complaining that we are giving up something that “MIGHT BE”

By bwash21

July 30, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

from Rotoworld.com on the Dotel deal: “Shortstop Brent Lillibridge, RHP Tommy Hanson and outfielder Jordan Schafer are candidates to be involved.” Jul. 30 - 3:03 pm et

By Colin

July 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

**Phillies Acquire Kyle Lohse

Ken Rosenthal again. The Phillies just traded for Reds starter Kyle Lohse. They gave up 23 year-old Double A southpaw Matt Maloney.**

HES TERRIBLE

By jokurone

July 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Hell yeah! another brilliant move by JS we should be able to out slug anybody now. that’s probably how we win most games anyhow. the next 2 months it will be all eastern division play and we will be back in the playoffs no doubt!!!

By Sam

July 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

The Braves have lost me for good. I’ll never go back and I realize they don’t care but a Yellow Jacket!!! My god!! Pretty soon they’ll be holding “Tickle Pile Night”. The Braves need real MEN!!!

By Gsubeatwriter

July 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Yeah, why would we want a 2-time all star that shines in the clutch? I mean, what is McCann like 23 or 24? I see why we should get rid of him LT, and Salty is a great prospect. So yeah, I would mortgage the real thing for a hopeful…oh wait no I wouldn’t, because I am not an idiot.

By Skip Caray

July 30, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Worst trade since Brett Butler for Len Barker. Let’s trade 4 players for a Scott Boras-controlled player who will be in a Yankees or Red Sox uniform after next season. Where is the pitching help?

By brown

July 30, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

I think with any trade, it is a wait and see situation. I do like the fact that Tex is a switch hitter and could give a much needed boost for the middle of the lineup. The key is going to be with the left-handed reliever Mahay. Still need another quality starter as well, which will be difficult to find. Its going to be interesting from here on out.

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

For some reason, I have had the feeling that JS and Billy Beane have been talking…nothing to substantiate my suspicions…and it may just be that I wish they were talking…

As an aside, Oakland wanted outfield prospects from the Mets for Blanton. I wonder if the Braves have such a prospect, excluding B.Jones, that they would take a look at?

Regards,

Jason

By bill

July 30, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

It is a great deal they sign Mark to another deal. If they lose Tex after next year they better get into the playoffs this year and next. This takes some very good talent out of our farm system and we still need at least another starting pitcher. If we get a good starter watch out !!!

By AthensBrave

July 30, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait to see Tex in a Brave’s uniform. Our lineup will be sickening!!!!!!Here we come Muts!!!

If we can sign him to a long-term deal, then this will be a great trade. If not, then it will just be an all right move.

By KC

July 30, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

If we get Dotel, I think that gets our bullpen back close to what it was at the beginning of the season (before Gonzo went down). I think I would still take a healthy Mike Gonzalez over the combination of Mahay and Dotel… but it’s close, for sure.

Let’s hope this Dotel thing happens! If it does, we’ll only have one hole left (our 5th starter). Even if we don’t plug that as well as we’d like, that aren’t ANY teams in the NL with no holes. I’m not sure there are any with only one hole. So… that would put us in pretty nice shape.

By bwash21

July 30, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Looks like the Phillies just got Kyle Lohse. Good luck with that.

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

KC,

Here’s Stark’s latest comments:

“MARKET REPORT In theory, the disappearance of Mark Teixeira from the trade menu shouldn’t have any impact on guys like Dotel. But there’s a psychology to all this. And we heard several teams Monday morning speculating that Teixeira’s deal might signal the official start of realistic talk, as opposed to the fishing expeditions we’ve mostly seen this month. Now that the Rangers have made their big deal, it’s time for the Royals to get down to business. And the buzz Monday was that KC was definitely stepping up the pace. The two teams now believed to be most actively bidding on Dotel are the Mariners, as many people expected, and the Braves, who apparently have decided to make a late run. The Royals are known to like Seattle’s hot outfield prospect, Wladimir Balentien. But Royals GM Dayton Moore, the Braves’ former scouting director, knows the Atlanta system so intimately that he may opt for a prospect he’s familiar with over one he has seen mainly from afar. “I’ve always thought,” said an official of one team with interest, “that Dayton’s familiarity with Atlanta’s personnel and staff would give them an edge.” Meanwhile, the Dodgers, long viewed as the favorites, appeared Monday to be actively exploring other options (Joaquin Benoit? Kyle Farnsworth?). The Yankees, Indians and Tigers have expressed frustration over the heavy price tag. And the Cubs seem to be looking at the return of Kerry Wood this week as their big bullpen addition. So the field of bidders hasn’t exactly grown. In part, that’s because the Royals have asked for a top-of-the-line prospect back. But it also hasn’t helped Dotel’s value that he has pitched so sporadically. He still has worked only 23 innings all year. He has appeared in only three games over the last 12 days, despite the presence of a throng of scouts hanging out in Kansas City to watch him. And he has a 9.00 ERA in those three outings, allowing seven baserunners in three innings. So, as one scout put it, “I don’t think he’s a bidding-war kind of guy.” But he’s still the most available late-inning option out there. Which means he’s still The Player Most Likely to Be Going Somewhere or Other in the Next 24 Hours (and it may not take that long).”

Regards,

Jason

By Salty

July 30, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Yars What are the odds of JS now trading for a decent stating pitcher?

Probably quite high, but finding a partner…not nearly so. :-) Then again, define decent!

By Amber

July 30, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Dotel???? Oh please oh please oh please oh please!!!!! Get those Mets shaking in their shoes! Let’s GO baby!!

By AthensBrave

July 30, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

KC

nothing new from Stark yet

By Lew

July 30, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Y’all-The Marlins aren’t letting Dontrelle go for Diaz and a AA player-even if Dontrelle is no better than a number 4 starter anymore. Check his numbers. They aren’t as good as those of our top four starters. He hasn’t been “all that” for several years now. He has steadily declined since that good year four or so years ago. The Marlins just refuse to acknowledge that fact. He’s been operating on reputation for at least three years.

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

LT I heard about Tex being from the Baltimore area and saying he would one day like to play for the O’s. If the GT guy doesn’t reign w/ us he’ll definitely end up w/ the O’s who can spemd more $ than us.

I meant to say this in my previous comments but DOB thanks for taking time to start another blog. I heard about all your travel problems into this morning. I really enjoy this blog and all the passionate braves fans. It has taken a while reading for me to start adding by 2(maybe 1)cent(s).

There are a few long time contributers we haven’t heard from after this trade. (Braveheart, Lew, BravesDave, Paladin, etc..I’m leaving out some of the main guys) I see Overlord is in now. Some good guys(and gals) on here. Keep it up.

If we can get Dotel that would be great. I also think we can easily pick up a 4 or 5 SP. Many out there who could use the “change of Scenery” deal. Cliff Lee, Kei Igawa, Contreras, Morris, etc. Something can and I believe will happen. JS and Bobby aren’t going to be around too much longer and they know we need to do it over the next 2 or 3 years. If we can lock up Tex, use Mahay right, p’u Dotel and another SP this is the year.

GO BRAVES!!

By KC

July 30, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

If all goes as it appears…

The Braves add: Tex, Mahay, Dotel

The Mets add: Luis Castillo

LIFE IS GOOD!!!!!!!

By Bobbymahlon

July 30, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Face up to it you so call Braves fans the deal is done so its time to pull for Tex in hopes thast he will lead us to the post season. When JS said Juilo was going to lead us to the post season playoffs he was whistling dixie. If we are going to make post season in my opinion we need to trade Renteria for a starting pitcher and of course move Escobar to SS. Kelly and Yunel are too good to not be playing every day.

By bwash21

July 30, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

ESPN INSIDER………… 1 Octavio Dotel, Royals RHP 3
MARKET REPORT In theory, the disappearance of Mark Teixeira from the trade menu shouldn’t have any impact on guys like Dotel. But there’s a psychology to all this. And we heard several teams Monday morning speculating that Teixeira’s deal might signal the official start of realistic talk, as opposed to the fishing expeditions we’ve mostly seen this month. Now that the Rangers have made their big deal, it’s time for the Royals to get down to business. And the buzz Monday was that KC was definitely stepping up the pace. The two teams now believed to be most actively bidding on Dotel are the Mariners, as many people expected, and the Braves, who apparently have decided to make a late run. The Royals are known to like Seattle’s hot outfield prospect, Wladimir Balentien. But Royals GM Dayton Moore, the Braves’ former scouting director, knows the Atlanta system so intimately that he may opt for a prospect he’s familiar with over one he has seen mainly from afar. “I’ve always thought,” said an official of one team with interest, “that Dayton’s familiarity with Atlanta’s personnel and staff would give them an edge.” Meanwhile, the Dodgers, long viewed as the favorites, appeared Monday to be actively exploring other options (Joaquin Benoit? Kyle Farnsworth?). The Yankees, Indians and Tigers have expressed frustration over the heavy price tag. And the Cubs seem to be looking at the return of Kerry Wood this week as their big bullpen addition. So the field of bidders hasn’t exactly grown. In part, that’s because the Royals have asked for a top-of-the-line prospect back. But it also hasn’t helped Dotel’s value that he has pitched so sporadically. He still has worked only 23 innings all year. He has appeared in only three games over the last 12 days, despite the presence of a throng of scouts hanging out in Kansas City to watch him. And he has a 9.00 ERA in those three outings, allowing seven baserunners in three innings. So, as one scout put it, “I don’t think he’s a bidding-war kind of guy.” But he’s still the most available late-inning option out there. Which means he’s still The Player Most Likely to Be Going Somewhere or Other in the Next 24 Hours (and it may not take that long).

By KC

July 30, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Wow, JS is rockin’ and rollin’… and John Smoltz didn’t even have to light a fire under him this year! LOL

By Chase

July 30, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

VINNY and other morons who say “there goes our future”

GET REAL

THIS IS ALREADY a VERY VERY YOUNG TEAM and TEX IS ONLY 27!!!!

Good Grief….you can’t have a team full of young prospects always waiting for 3 years down the road!

Jeeze People

And with Hampton’s 15 million gone after next year and LIBERTY obviously giving more money….I would not be surprised to see us keep ANDRUW and TEX

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

If the Braves trade Hason or Lillibridge, they would get more than 3 months of Octavio Dotel!

Regards,

Jason

By VandyBrave

July 30, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

haha, lohse is awful.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

KC-Chipper’s contract does NOT end next season, nor does Edgar’s They both have club options for 09. Chipper’s will easily be met(based on this year’s numbers) and that would make it a vesting option, I do believe-besides, the Braves could opt to pick it up even if he DIDN’T meet the vesting terms. Edgar’s is a club option for 09 and if the option is declined, the Red Sox are on the hook for the buyout.

By Chop Chop

July 30, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Octavio Dotel

Read the sponsor’s comment on that page.

If he ends up in Atlanta, let’s just hope that one of us isn’t angrily sponsoring that page in the future.

By Fred Secunda

July 30, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

If we give up Brandon Jones for Dotel, I’m going to be very, very angry.

By Joshua Barlowe

July 30, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

The Os are a team going nowhere in the best division in baseball.

Tex would be smart to stick with the Braves.

By Worst to First

July 30, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

You gotta be a real loser to find fault in this one.

By Braves20

July 30, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Comparing this to 1993 is a stretch. We actually had a rotation back then.

The trade leaves us precious little to deal for the middle of rotation guy we need and the lefty we SHOULD have pursued - Marte of the Pirates.

By Stevie Wonder

July 30, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

My Tei-xeir-amour, lovely as a summer day

My Tei-xeir-amour, distant as the milky way

My Tei-xeir-amour, big studly one that I adore

You’re the only guy my heart beats for

How I wish that you were mine

In a clubhouse or sometimes by the batting cage

I’ve been near you, but you never noticed me

My Tei-xeir-amour, wont you tell me how could you ignore

That behind that little smile I wore

How I wish that you were mine

La la la la la la, la la la la la la La la la la la la, la la la la la la

Maybe someday, we’ll sign you to a long term deal

Maybe someday, we’ll find out that this trade’s a steal

Oh, Tei-xeir-amour, big studly one that I adore

Youre the only guy my heart beats for

How I wish that you were mine

By Lee

July 30, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

I just hope we put the mets back in their place, staring at our backsides.

By JEB

July 30, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Great trade for the Braves! We traded for a solid NOW star, for possibly a HOPE for MAYBE future stars. I like the Dotel trade also! Ken Rosenthal is reporting that it is CLOSE to being a done deal! This will really solidify the bullpen NOW! Every year is a guessing game with players. You have to plan for the future, but you have to play RIGHT NOW!

By Lew

July 30, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

KC-Having the $$$ this year helps JS immensely. This is definitve proof, too, of the $$$ existence. No way JS can pull these of if Liberty hadn’t given the go ahead financially.

By KC

July 30, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

JasonInMaine: Thanks bro!

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Fred Secunda, I don’t think there is a chance in heck that JS trades Brandon Jones for Dotel…but, I have been wrong before!

Regards,

Jason

By KC

July 30, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

**Why in the world is “BRAVES POUND DIAMONDBACKS” still the headline on the AJC Braves page???

By rupert

July 30, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

GREAT MOVE!!

first off, loved salty, but he was not ready to play everyday at first, he had a chance for about a week and went into a slump (had something to do with opposing pitchers finding holes in his swing), with salty you have potential to maybe have the power/production of tex, down the line, never gonna have the glove though, its makes me laugh hearing some say salty has more upside, he has a lot, but tex is a bonafied super star, look at his numbers, with a gold glove AND ONLY 27, if the braves can lock him up long term this deal is one of js’s best

elvis has a slick glove but is atleast 2 years away and by then escobar will be an all star, his defense is superb as well and has allready proven he can .300 and the major league level, harrison was not the braves top pitching prospect in their eyes, jojo is, thats why he got called up, he has better stuff and is bigger and stronger, harrison might be a number 3 starter later on, good time to deal him while is value was high

overall great trade, if js can swing a deal for a starter this team would be set to make a run, i really think the 4 loss streak had something to do with this trade over the guys heads, now its done and we got our man, time for them to take off

By Chase

July 30, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

ROSS

You said..“this means ANDRUW is gone..good riddance”

You Sir, are an idiot!

You say “good riddance” to a NINE TIME GOLD GLOVER, and the 4th Youngest in History to have 350 homers, over 1,600 hits and 1,500 RBIs…Yeah, “good riddence” to a SURE FIRE HALL OF FAMER

You Andruw bashers are crazy! All you can do is look at his batting average and Kill him….Oh Lets not forget HE LEADS THE TEAM IN HRs and RBIs and he is having a Bad Year

GOOD GRIEF

By Chris

July 30, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Reminds me of the McGriff trade that put us over the hump after the All-Star break.

Yes, I believe Salty will be a star. But he will be a star a catcher, and at least we don’t have to play against him. People wanted to make him a switch-hitting first baseman who could hit for power and average.

Well, we got that in return, and a Gold Glover, to boot.

Great move, Braves. Giving us a reason to come out to the park.

By ACE

July 30, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

I think the success of this trade will be based on signing TEX beyond the 2008 season. Here is a look at the pros and cons

Pros-Great first baseman with the glove and bat also a swith hitter. The bullpen really needs this lefty. Softens the blow of losing Andruw next season.

Cons-Giving up at least one future star and maybe more. Can these two players make up 5 games in two months? Can TEX be signed beyond 2008?

By JD

July 30, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Again, Tex deal great, but we needed starting pitching. Of note, our worst year since Cox has come is when our pitching was the worst (last year) Braves have lost 10 games this year where they gave up 9 runs or more. That’s 1/5 of their losses, and guess who started these games? All 5th starters: Redman, Cormier, Lerew, Davies and even Carlyle had a bad loss. Now we’ve got Reyes in there to plug the hole, and he gave up batting practice HR’s on Friday. See, I didn’t include the losses by 5th starters where they gave up 7 & 8 runs. Not only is this hard on the moral, but if you go back and look, you’ll notice that the bullpen pitched more innings in these cases than the starters. We don’t have a starter yet who has a complete game, one of only 2 teams. This means our bullpen is taxed. Don’t forget that for the first time since Cox came back to manage full time in 1991, the Braves starting pitching went into the all-star break with a losing record. If we don’t have a starter that can go five and only give up 3/5 a game, then we won’t make it. Besides, with the wild card format, it’s impossible to go on a three man rotation. Can we depend on Carlyle in the playoffs? Whole different story.

I like Tex, but we already had the offense. We need the pitching, and not so much bullpen.

By jay

July 30, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Great deal to show the fans that the Braves are players this year. However, the Braves gave up WAY too much. Salty is a projected All Star, a starting SS, a number 2 starter and a young bullpen type arm for a player who is a free agent to be? It smells like a Met move to me. With the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels holding onto their prospects to throw dollars at Tex in the free agent market, I don’t like the Braves chances to re-sign him. The Red Sox and Angels refused to give up a third A rated prospect for a reason. If Tex walks and Jones walks then what the heck are the Braves going to do in 2008 and beyond? This is a Met move that leaves your team with its pants down if it can’t come up with the cash. This deal reminds me of the Mets trading 4 prospects for Mike Hampton in July 2000 only to have him walk. This is VERY risky, and you know the Mets are gonna do something, Luis Castillo is already being reported as almost a done deal. I’m all for this deal but its not a Brave-like move, we gave up 3 A rated prospects with no new deal for Tex on the table. The Braves had better win to make this trade stand the test of time.

By KC

July 30, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Lew: Even if Chipper’s contract doesn’t expire at the end of next year… we know Hampton’s does. Also, if we were looking to clear payroll next year, Renteria is infinitely tradable, and we already have his replacement in the clubhouse.

Point being, in addition to a looser (if only slightly… we don’t know yet) wallet, the Braves can make room for Tex beyond next year on the payroll. It’s just a matter of whether Tex will take a fair offer, or if he’ll only see the dancing dollar signs. If Boras gets his way, we know the answer. But contrary to popular belief, Boras doesn’t always get his way.

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

I remember when Liberty 1st took over many people said it was a business move and we wouldn’t get more $ to spend. It has lost me now but 1 good source(I think Starks) said he felt JS would get more to spend. Looks like he did and like Overlord said, “JS again was tight lipped.”

Also, JS said recently that his main objective was to get some pitching help. He might have worked hard on Tex but I still think he’ll get the pitching help he spoke of. Every time John says something is a main objective, he comes through.

Cathy thanks for being so positive.

Chris I doubt we are sending Renteria to the Royals. The only way is if we get Dotel and Meche. I don’t want to send Renteria anywhere. He is by far the most consistant on our team. Yea Chipper is up there too but Edgar won’t go on the DL, we always have that chance w/ Chipper(unfortunately).

GO BRAVES

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Jason, I think JS and Billy Beane are talking too. It is just a feeling. I also think that Edgar Renteria could be part of the conversation. I just don’t think that JS would give away B. Jones because he is likely starting in the outfield next season. Now, somebody like Matt Esquive or TJ Bohn could be on the table. Beane would be familiar with Bohn since he had a cup of coffee with the Mariners. I would imagine a pitcher would have to come back in the deal. If this Dotel deal goes down, I could see JS offering Villareal in a deal with the A’s. Perhaps Renteria, Villareal, and Bohn for Dan Haren and if not Haren settling for Joe Blanton. A deal of even Villareal, Ledezema, and Bohn for Blanton. Would that be enough?

By Chris

July 30, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

And now Salty gets a chance to play every day at his natural position. Good for him. If he hadn’t been in our organization with McCann ahead of him, he probably would’ve been starting somewhere any way. Good move for everyone involved, I would say.

By JT

July 30, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Good Deal, ONLY if we are able to Re-sign him! I just hope he doesn’t end up as another loaner for a year then it’s Bye Bye.The Braves have a nac for doing that you know!

By The Fan

July 30, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Only is it a good move it we sign TEX long term. If we don’t, then this goes back to all the other dumb 1 year moves the braves have made for players that leave within 1.5 years after the trade is done. Look at all the pitching we have giving up over the years!

By KC

July 30, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Braves20: “Comparing this to 1993 is a stretch. We actually had a rotation back then.”

Dude, we have 2 of the premier starters in the game, and Chuck James is tied for 15th in the league in ERA at 3.55.

We have 3 of the top 15 starters (in terms of ERA) in the league.

We’re one top-quality starter short of what our rotations featured through much of the 90’s, but to suggest we don’t have a rotation sounds a little ignore-A-Moose of you bro.

By Interested Observer

July 30, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

CNN is currently covering a high-speed police chase in Dallas. It’s probably Tex trying to get to the airport!

By Mark

July 30, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

I don’t know if I really like this trade because of the manager we have. I mean he is the greatest REGULAR SEASON MANAGER ever, but we all know what type of a manger he is in the PLAYOFFS. If we did get Texeira, Bobby would go back to that waiting on a homerun mess. The Braves aren’t a bad hitting team, we just have a manager that wants to continue to keep a .215 hitters in the 4th spot.

It is sickening that Francouer isn’t hitting 4th or at least Brian McCann. They both hit well with runners in scoring position. Especially, when there is two outs. Andruw should bat 7th in the order.

We need pitchers more than anything. Lately, we have been in position to win games, but our pitching has let us down. We should have gone 8-2 on the road trip before the Allstar break and 8-2 on the last homestand. We should have had at least a winning road trip. Our bullpen is getting tired and our 3-5 starters aren’t giving any help. Texeira can’t come in and preserve a lead late.

I think that we have learned that power pitching wins championships. I have a seen some great lineups get humiliated in the playoffs. I like this new brand of baseball that we are playing. This takes us back to the Otis Nixon and Deion Sanders days. On this past trip we did hit and run in Arizona and a squeeze in San Fransisco.

Last year we had a first baseman that hit well. Laroche hit 32 homers and had 90 runs batted in and guess what, we didn’t make the playoffs. We need pitching and let’s continue to manufacture these runs.

By Ryan Scaife

July 30, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

This is an excellent move by the Braves front office, and this is why. By acquiring Tex, it sends a clear message to Chipper, Andruw, and Smoltzy that they are playing to win right now. In return it gives the vets the idea that the front office is really making a strong push so it will boost the veterans morales. This is a very big move which changes the entire complextion of the Braves lineup. If they can acquire a quality starter before the deadline then the Braves will once again be the team to be reckoned with in the East.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

*By Sam

July 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

The Braves have lost me for good. I’ll never go back and I realize they don’t care but a Yellow Jacket!!! My god!! Pretty soon they’ll be holding “Tickle Pile Night”. The Braves need real MEN!!!*

Really? Are you immature enough to bring that crap in here? It’s irritating enough that you clog up the Tech blogs with nonsense, but taking it to the Braves blog just because a former Tech player is involved is beyond childish.

AJC: Is there a way to word-filter that stupid phrase to “This poster is a knuckle-dragging halfwit” or “inbred retard”?

By CUBS_WIN

July 30, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

DOH! Bad move. This is not the Year to Go for it. The Braves have a limited payroll budget with Liberty ownership. Salty’s offensive production at first, as well as defense would have equaled Teixera’s. Salty would have been cheap for another 4 years ! IF Teixera IS resigned, it will not be cheap, meaning the Braves will have to do without @ another position. How can the Braves think they have a shot at the playoffs after the way they’ve played in July ?

By jbutler70

July 30, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Terrific move…and it gives the team the adrenline rush they desperately needed. They come off a great clobbering of AZ..hopefully it got some of the frustration out. Now they can lap the Mets. A completely winnable division. Good luck Salty- great player…wrong team.

By KC

July 30, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Robert(JIB) If JS could land Haren on top of everything else, I will make John Schuerholz my religion. I will quit my job and worship JS on a full-time basis.

HOWEVER, I think Haren is Waaaaay too much to hope for. If Haren were available, Salty probably would have been a part of a deal for him instead.

Rich Harden might be available. Only problem is, Harden might earn a seat next to Wood and Prior in the DL Hall of Fame.

By Drew

July 30, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

I saw on the National Baseball Hall of Fame’s Website that none other than THE Mike Hampton is eligible on the HOF ballot starting in 2009, which means he’s retired…WTF is going on? Also, does anyone know if insurance picked up his contract for this year?

By Lew

July 30, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Chase-I agree with you on Andruw to a point, but given the amount of runners on in front of him (Harris, Edgar and Chipper all hitting .320 or above, not to mention Chipper’s huge OBP), Andruw has had enough opportunities to be fighting ARod for the MLB RBI lead. He should be leading the NL by a wide margin. He really has been a major disappointment this year. If he had had an even average season so far, we would be leading the Mets right now.

By Ron Roberts

July 30, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Terrific deal. Tex makes our lineup as strong or at least comparable, anyhow, to any lineup in basebal, and better than any in the National League. If we get to the World Series, our lineup would be as good as any we’d be facing.

Now, should we get Octavio Dotel, our bullpen would be as strong as any in the game, and we’re already two-deep, ace-starter-wise, and two-deep middle-rotation starters, too.

Hard to find fault with this deal when you consider the position players given up have bona fide starter(s) ahead of ‘em for years to come already.

Plus, with Teixeira in the fold for next season, if we lose Andruw, we free up cash to pursue another quality starter to add to Smoltz, Hudson, James and Carlyle (presuming we have him under wraps awhile longer), and he possible addition of Mike Hampton (whom I won’t be holding my breath waiting for).

Truly see no fault to this deal. Give us a chance now and next year, and asking for any more out of an aging John Smoltz would be a stretch. He deserves a legitimate shot at another World Series ring, and this move gives him and his franchise just that. Same for Bobby.

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

KC, my pleasure! Man, I am like a little kid at Christmas. What is it about the Braves that makes me act like a 14 year old?! Now, get Dotel…and a 4th starter type. If JS can pull off both of those, I don’t care what anyone says: we will be the team to beat!

Regards,

Jason

By bravesfan0707

July 30, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

I just heard from someone that the Braves are trying to get Dotel from the Royals and Garland from the White Sox.

By Mark

July 30, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

The only way this deal works for the Braves is if they had reached agreement with Tex on a long term contract. Can you say ‘J.D. Drew’?

By FLBRAVESFAN

July 30, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

In a perfect world, the trade is McCann and probably fewer prospects for the same package.

Don’t doubt that Salty will eventually be the offensive power that McCann is and behind the plate there was no comparison. Salty’s arm and overall catching ability far exceed McCann.

This is a win now trade which we all hope works.

By Chase

July 30, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

The PHILLIES are Grasping after the Braves’ trade!

Kyle Lohse is 6-12 with a 4.58 era… pathetic!

I wouldn’t be surprised if JS was going after Royals’ Starting Pitcher ZACK GREINKE in the deal with DOTEL

If that happens…we would have a team with NO VISABLE WEAKNESSES!

By Ghost of Jermaine Dye

July 30, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

This is going to make the Wilson Betemit for NOBODY trade look like the Deal of The Century.

JS has lost it. Remember, a few short weeks ago the former “Genius” traded for Ledezma because “he’s simply better” than McBride. McBride is certainly not the second-coming of Greg Maddux, but worse than LEDEZMA?

JS doesn’t care about the future. He’ll sail off into retirement after next year and leave in his wake the same wreckage he left at Kansas City.

Of course, before then he’ll resign Julio Franco to a 5-year contract on his way out the door…..

By Steve from OH

July 30, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Man, do I love these moves. Dotel would certainly be nice, but NOT for Brandon Jones. Perhaps Thorman involved? I also hope JS can pick up Blanton, but my gut feeling tells me Cliff Lee is a more feasible choice, in both price and availability.

By Arkansas Braves fan

July 30, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

This trade is an absolute no brainer. Yes we gave up a lot, but the Braves have a lot. The Braves would have to Convert Salty into a first baseman to get the most out of him, that takes time and has no guarantee. Plus that would not be best for Salty’s career. We are loaded at short,not a major risk trading a 18 year old. Also, I sure hope we get Dotel. The loss of Gonzalez is killing the braves. At least Dotel has a out pitch. Wickman just prays that they hit the ball at someone. It’s about time the braves reminded MLB baseball that their still a franchise that you are going to have to deal with. Go Braves!

By ronz

July 30, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Need to sign him long term or its a very steep price. This is the best 1-8 lineup in NL

By Fred Secunda

July 30, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Jason in Maine, I hope you’re right brother. I just wonder if the Braves are going to make a trade for Dotel, you’d have to think Thorman would be involved. The acquisition of Tex means the Braves will probably mean that Woodward will be placed on waivers with the intention of hoping he clears and goes to Richmond. But the acquisition of Dotel means he’s going to have to take someone’s spot on the 25 man roster, and it looks like Julio is here to stay for at least the rest of this season. So does anyone else think that a deal for Dotel starts with Thorman, who ctually may thrive in a non-pressure situation in Kansas City?

By Kenneth Simpson

July 30, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

The deal stinks. Typical JS trade trading away the future to rent a player for one year and 2 months. Salty could have played first base. A switch hitter with power. I cannot believe a so called sensible person would make such a trade but then again has he ever made a good trade? I don’t know of any he has ever made. Look at the LaRoche deal, the McBride deal and does anyone remember the Kenny Lofton deal or the JD Drew deal? All bum JS Trades. He is pitiful! Go Mets!

By Braves Fan 79 (shoulda traded vick for CJ)

July 30, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

YEA BABY! NOW LETS GET THE ROYALS CLOSER! This is the Braves organization i know! Now lets dump woodcrap and this team will be complete!!

By Don't Mess with TEX!

July 30, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

EVERYONE E-MAIL EVERYONE AND SHARE THE GREAT NEWS!!! LET”S GET THIS CITY FIRED UP ABOUT OUTR BRAVES AND PUT THE NIGHTMARE OF VICK BEHIND US!!! BUY YOUR TICKETS TO WELCOMES THIS GUY!!!

By Fox News

July 30, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

The Dow Jones Industrial average rallied 92 points today, signaling that Wall Street is ecstatic about the Teixeira trade.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 30, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Man, I just don’t know about this trade. Never did like the idea of trading Salty anyway, now we just may be getting another Gary Sheffield for the next 15 months. Someone on a non baseball forum who is a crazed Rangers fan said this…..

TEX IS GONE!!!!! Traded to the Braves. Berigan, all I can say is get ready for a clubhouse cancer and a quick downward turn for the Braves. He’ll be b*** in no time about what a raw deal he got. Oh well, at least Tex is finally gone. Good riddance to that jerk.

I’ve asked him for actual examples…I’ll let you know what he says.

By jay

July 30, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

The Met deal for Castillo may include Juan Rincon

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Lew Did the old blog crash? It sure did for me.

By Pimply Faced Kid

July 30, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

I have to agree with the Dotel sentiment here.

There’s no doubt the Braves need pen help, especially since it seems there is no real help out there with starters. On the other hand, we can’t afford to part with much more talent from the farm.

Any big name pitching returned would have included Salty, no doubt so we can forget anything like that.

And…. if you move Edgar for any big name pitching, you’ve lost the offensive advantage you gained by getting Tex! Escobar is going to be a good one, but I don’t move Edgar yet and give it to Escobar. Escobar may hit but I don’t think he’s going to provide the offense production that Edgar supplies.

You’ve done a good job so far, JS. PLEASE dont screw it up by giving up too much for pen help.

By Braves20

July 30, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

KC - Your 4:16 post makes me laugh. Our front four in ‘93 had ERA’s ranging from 2.36 to a high of 3.62. Their innings pitched ranged from 223 to 267 and most significantly, their average starts ran from a low of 6.4 to 7.5 innings.

And you compare this staff to that??

Who’s ignorant?

By Salty

July 30, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

If Andruw stays in the clean up spot, any thoughts whether he gets better pitches to hit (or swing at as the case may be)? With just a modicum of patience, he could have one heck of a final 8 weeks.

Help me, please understand why Renteria continues to come up as trade bait. Escobar is wonderful…but do you go with a 2-month’s ‘veteran’ during a pennant run? That is a stretch…doable, but a stretch.

Last: will Texiera see time at third…hmmm?

By bwash21

July 30, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

I agree w/ Mark. Franceour hitting 4th would look so much better.

L - Harris R - Renteria L/R - Chipper R - Franceour L/R - Teixeira L - McCann R - Andruw L - Johnson

Now that is formidable. WOW.

By BravesDave

July 30, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Dotel would be an OK pickup. His career has not impressed me. One thing…we better not give up Lillibridge, Brandon Jones, or Edgar Renteria for Dotel. If Greinke is involved, maybe we can give up Lillibridge, but moving Renteria would really defeat the purpose of getting Teixeira. Our lineup just became the best in the NL with the Teixeira acquisition. If we remove Edgar, we are taking a step back. Escobar is very solid, but Edgar’s value should NOT be underestimated. The guy has had so many huge hits for this team this season.

By Ron

July 30, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

We better not trade Our Starting LF next year in Brandon Jones for Dotel!!! They want him or Thorman!!! I say trade Thorman and a MID level prospect, but NOT Jones, OR Lillibridge!!!

By Carolina Gent

July 30, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Two questions if anyone out there has heard any good rumors or has inside info..One Has anyone heard who the Braves are offering to try to land Dotel? TwoWith Salty being traded, that almost certainly means Pena coming back as backup to McCann. So who’s the next to go down?

By Ranger's fan

July 30, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Aside from Tex’s considerable baseball skills, the Braves are acquiring a high-class human being. He plays every day, he never complains, he puts his team first, and he’s loyal to a fault.

He was my favorite Ranger, and I will miss him. But I’m glad he’s going home. I’m sure the Braves wouldn’t have considered giving up as much as they did, unless they were convinced they had a lock on signing him after the 2008 season.

I hope you guys win it all!

All the very best of luck

Bob

By Pimply Faced Kid

July 30, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Funny to see Mets fans posting negative here. Don’t panic guys, you’re almost sure to get Luis Castillo. I think you might get your bullpen help with Chad Cordero. (who the Braves own)

By Peecee

July 30, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Not no, but HELL NO! There will never be another pennant in Atlanta as long as those skinflint B**s that now “Own” the Braves lighten up the purse strings. Even the Second Coming couldn’t win with these restrictions! (Well, ….). Anyway, look At Adam Wainwright for J. D. Drew, who sleep-walked his way through town. You read it here first: Ain’t no division championships, let alone a League Championship, and Good Lord, not to mention the impossible (World Series Championship) with the current pitching staff. Yeah, buddy, let’s just run out a get a good, starting pitcher…as if 30 other clubs (with more $$ to spend) ain’l looking for the same thing + bullpen help of which is an alien concept with the Braves. One positive thought, though, we are stocking the majors with some of the best prospects there are, and all for a bargain price: giving away the store. Geez, I gotta quit, my blood pressure just passed the Mendoza line!

By KC

July 30, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

JasonInMaine: “Now, get Dotel…and a 4th starter type. If JS can pull off both of those, I don’t care what anyone says: we will be the team to beat!”

I agree bro. I agree. Even if we don’t get another starter (but do get Dotel), I still think the Braves will be as good a team as there is in the NL. Because if we get Dotel, we’ll have…

• 3 of the top 15 starters in the league (in ERA)

• One of the best bullpens in the league

• THE best offense in the league.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

I could see JS trying to move Renteria to the Orioles for Bedard. I find it funny that the O’s rushed Tejada back before August and his name has not come up in trade talks. The O’s have been wanting to move him. The White Sox seem like a perfect fit. It would solve their SS problem for next year and replace Dye’s bat since he will either be gone by tomorrow or definitely at season’s end. Those moves by the O’s would free up some payroll and allow them to possibly make a run at a certain 3B who plays for the Yanks. His name escapes me at the moment.

By bwash21

July 30, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Kenneth Simpson - you are an idiot. “Typical JS trading away the future?” The lineup is full of our future. Chipper, Franceour, McCann, Andruw, Johnson, Escobar, Thorman, Smoltz, James, Carlyle, and JoJo all came up with the Braves.

Your Mets future is the #1 pitcher for the Devil Rays. I think you got your teams confused you moron.

By jay

July 30, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

Tex is notoious in Texas for crying about his contract. Make no mistake this not a clubhouse guy, he is about the bottomline and wants to get paid. He and Boras have rebuffed every attempt the Rangers have made to re-sign him before he becomes a free agent. There was a report on NY Radio by an AJC writer that the Braves are going for it now because Cox and JS are not expecting to last beyond 2008 season. So it looks like there will be a mass exodus of prospects during the next year and a half

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 30, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Chase July 30, 2007 4:27 PM …..I wouldn’t be surprised if JS was going after Royals’ Starting Pitcher ZACK GREINK

Chase, the Royals are playing better, and want to turn Zack into a closer it sounds like, so not too likely to trade 2 good arms to us. be glad if we get Dotel without giving up the rest of the future…

By Anderson

July 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

I hear it’s Dotel for Thorman and a B arm.

By TexasBrave

July 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Getting Tex is a good thing. However, I believe we gave up one top prospect too many to pick up just Mahay. John should have held out for either CJ Wilson or Gagne.

The total greatness of this trade will not be seen until later down the road. If the Braves make the World Series this year and/or next and/or we can resign Tex, then it is a good trade. However, if we don’t make the WS and we cannot resign him then it will not be considered a good trade at all.

Tex will help our offense, especially in the few games when our starters hold the other team to 2 or 3 runs and we can’t win. With Tex I can’t see us scoring fewer than 4 runs that often, there is just to many great bats in the lineup. I would liked to have seen more bullpen help or even a good innings eater of a starter.

It is a crying shame that we are having to look for bullpen help after what we started with this year. After Gonzalez went down we probably should have realized with as much as we were using the pen that we were going to need a proven bullpen guy and gone out gotten one before burning out the whole pen. I believe that (even with our fifth starter troubles) is the key to why we are not in first right now.

By KC

July 30, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Braves20: “Who’s ignorant?”

Dude, go back an re-read the post. I never called you “ignorant”… I called you an ignore-A-moose. There’s a big difference!!! LOL I’m just messin’ with you anyway. =)

Look, I’m not trying to say that this rotation equals the best of the 90’s Braves rotation. I’m not even remotely suggesting that.

I’m just stating the fact that we have 2 of the premier starters in the game, and a 3rd starter that’s 15th in the league in ERA. Given those facts, you cannot credibly suggest that this Braves team doesn’t have a rotation.

I’m not comparing it to Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery/Neagle… just saying you’re grossly overstating this team’s deficit in the starting pitching dept.

By This Gets Old

July 30, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Payroll going up $10M is nothing in today’s baseball. With everybody spending like crazy, flush with money from baseball’s incredible media deals oombined with arbitration keeps salaries on the incline.

While Atlanta isn’t a small city the team is run like a medium market and trading away prospects for expensive vets is a quick way to the bottom.

THE FARM EXISTS TO IMPROVE THE MAJOR LEAGUE CLUB.

That’s the fact but when we start to lose guys we never trade them and get at least something back. From last years top ten prospects seven are gone.

If we could afford to keep Tex then I’d have no problem with the deal but he’ll be a $20M plus guy and even if the payroll is at $100M (a BIG if) you’re not giving a fifth of it to one guy.

By sri

July 30, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

CNNSI now says it is Lillibridge for Dotel.. Are we giving up too much? Does this now mean we have to risk Thorman on waivers? or cut Woodward…

By JOE TORRE

July 30, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

THIS WILL BE THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW BRAVES WILL MISS THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!

By The Truth Hurts

July 30, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Listen, Hampton’s contract—$15 million?—comes off the books after ‘08, does it not? Renteria is going to be traded, either sooner or later, so that Escobar and his ML minimum salary can take over. If Brandon Jones sticks around through all of this, he might be a corner outfielder making the minimum, too. AJ’s $15 million will be gone, too. McCann is signed long-term at a reasonable rate.

All of that means one thing: payroll flexibility. Maybe Tex is signed long-term, maybe not. Either way, they’ll have enough to acquire another starting pitcher AND get another bat.

Hampton and Gonzalez should be able to contribute next year at some point. Wickman’s $6 million contract is up and you have Soriano ready to step in there.

Andrus was a luxury piece with Escobar the future at SS. Salty, too, b/c he’s a catcher, not a 1B. Time will tell about Harrison and the other 19 year old.

But this is what a farm system is set up to do…and the Braves’ system is doing it well—replenish at certain spots, use as trade bait for others.

What more do you want? A 22 year old at each position? Smoltz and Chipper’s window for winning is inexorably closing.

Maybe Liberty sanctions another $10 million in payroll…maybe they don’t. Either way, the future is still pretty bright for the hometown team.

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 30, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Here is what the fantasy baseball writer for Eastern Sports Programming Network wrote about Tex: A known second-half hitter, Teixeira probably has about 200 at-bats left in him and last year, after the All-Star break, he had 24 home runs and 61 RBIs in 275 at-bats. In 287 career interleague at-bats, he has 23 home runs and 58 RBIs. Expect 15 home runs, an average in the .290s and 35-40 RBIs the rest of the way. That’ll work, won’t it Braves Nation?

By Fred from CT

July 30, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

The Braves, fresh off their trade to land Mark Teixeira, are in serious talks to acquire Octavio Dotel from the Royals, SI.com has confirmed.

Kansas City stands to receive shortstop Brent Lillibridge in return. The 22-year-old prospect is batting .283 with five home runs and 20 RBIs for Class AAA Richmond.

this from john heyman on SI.com

By Player to be named later

July 30, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

I can’t understand how anyone could possibly worry that we traded away the future. THE FUTURE IS NOW! Do you think Smoltzie and Chipper want to hear about the future? They deserve much, much better than that! We have a solid nucleus in place now and have added some key pieces to the puzzle that just might put us over the hump if Wickman can regain some of his 2006 ability. Now let’s send that fat slob of a centerfielder out of Atlanta on a positive note!

By Marshall

July 30, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Awesome deal! amazing - T-rex makes us immediately 25% better offensively - can no longer pitch around Chipper to get to Mr. .216. We’ve long known Andruw’s not coming back next year - and with his money and Wickman’s current money(he won’t return either) we can afford Teixeira for one year plus 2 months. We still have Escobar for future INF; and the rest of our line-up is excellent. Great move Mr. Schuerholz.

By DonCoburleone

July 30, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Too many people on here are just ridiculous with their “we need a starter!” chant. Of course we need a starter, but so does just about every other contender in the NL. Of the contenders in the NL (which I consider to be Milwaukee, Chicago, LA, SD, Arizona, New York, and Philly) who has a better Top 3 than Atlanta? Honestly, just look at Hudson and Smoltz’s stats so far this year along with James (who’s 8-8 record doesn’t nearly reflect his 3.64 ERA). San Diego is the only one who boasts a better 1-3 IMO, with New York right behind the Braves. And even the Padres have Chris Young on the DL. Take him out of that rotation and they’re 1-3 is worse than the Braves. I mean please, Smoltz, Hudson and James or Glavine, Maine, El Duque? I’ll take Atlanta there. So quit crying about starting pitchers, WE GOT THE BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER, PERIOD!

By Maine Braves fan

July 30, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

The braves should not trade Brandon Jones. He is our future. Jason in maine I agree with what you said. If we get dotel thats great but what eles are we going to loose. Look at the Yankees and see what they have done. They have depleated there farm system on trades to win know. I think we need to plan for now but also look to the future.

By Lance Timberlake

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I’ll throw a curveball. First of all - I think it’s a good deal.

Secondly, I think Tex should bat fourth and have Andruw in at 5th. Imagine this lineup … Willie Harris (Or Yunel Escobar), Renteria, Chipper, Tex, Andruw, Frenchy, McCann - that’s a great 1 through 7.

By Carolina Lady

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

“CNN is currently covering a high-speed police chase in Dallas. It’s probably Tex trying to get to the airport!”

Now that’s funny! :-)) Thanks!

By Maine Braves fan

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

The braves should not trade Brandon Jones. He is our future. Jason in maine I agree with what you said. If we get dotel thats great but what eles are we going to loose. Look at the Yankees and see what they have done. They have depleated there farm system on trades to win know. I think we need to plan for now but also look to the future.

By Cam

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Bobby and John are retiring soon. They’re ready to win it all again. I’m just happy they got a player who can hit and play defense. Back to the basics. Do you remember “hit and catch?” Well, we got the best lineup in baseball now, even with Andruw in a slump. I think I just heard a team in the NL East take a gulp of water. The end for you is near.

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I don’t care, at this point, if we get a bunch of 3-month rentals as long as they fill the holes and get us to the dance. With the linchpins of the team(Smoltz, Chipper and yes, Julio)getting long-of-tooth, we need to make our move now!!

By Chris

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

To whomever said Tex was “injury-prone”:

Dude played in a Texas-record 507 consecutive games before hitting the DL for the first time this year.

Great job there, genius.

By Maine Braves fan

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

The braves should not trade Brandon Jones. He is our future. Jason in maine I agree with what you said. If we get dotel thats great but what eles are we going to loose. Look at the Yankees and see what they have done. They have depleated there farm system on trades to win know. I think we need to plan for now but also look to the future.

By Jordan

July 30, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

“The Braves have a limited payroll budget with Liberty ownership. “

We HAD a limited payroll with Time Warner. Indicationas from DOB are that we may see an increase.

“Salty’s offensive production at first, as well as defense would have equaled Teixera’s.”

Simply put, no! Satly’s production offensively, defensively and his experience don’t even approach what Teixeira can give us now and in the future.

“IF Teixera IS resigned, it will not be cheap, meaning the Braves will have to do without @ another position.”

Any other power replacement for AJ would not come cheap either. With money freed up following the departure of AJ and Hampton, there will be plenty for TEX

“How can the Braves think they have a shot at the playoffs after the way they’ve played in July ?”

Because they are only 4.5 out in the East despite the problems they have had to this point.

By Corey

July 30, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Its a great deal and should add some spark. A fresh line-up would help too. Maybe 1)Johnson 2)Renteria 3)Chipper 4)Teixeira 5)Francouer 6)Andruw 7)McCann 8)Harris.

By Anders

July 30, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

Hey Pimply Face Kid, You can add all the bats you want but at the end of the game the Braves will turn to a second tier closer for the 15th year in a row. As a Met fan I have a lot of respect for Shuerholz and the Brave organization but the bottom line is you need a lights out closer in the playoffs. Unfortunately the only lights out your closer has is the one in his fridge because he apparently never shuts the door!

By Salty

July 30, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Jay Consider Tex didn’t want to negotiate with the Rangers not because of $$, but for the chance to win. Three years from now, it’s unlikely Texas will be there. Any free agent worth their salt (no pun intended) wants the blend of $$ and ring possibilities. It’s why Atlanta has landed FA’s at less than the top price through the years.

By Kirby

July 30, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

This move is great for both sides, especially ofr Salty. He was a great player and you could tell he is gonna develop into a star but the Braves are set at catcher so he will have his chance to shine in Texas. The Braves needed a strong bat at first and now they have it. They do need pitching still, but hopefully the bullpen will just get back to there success from the beginning of the year and we will be fine!

By Homer Simpson

July 30, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Dotel? Doh!

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

I keep reading this inane comments about Liberty tightening the payroll. Is it not obvious that they haven’t cut payroll at all. DOB said the rumor was that $10 to $20 mil extra was being given for payroll. JS himself said there was some extra money available. He just wouldn’t say how much.

In the beginning of this ownership it makes a lot more sense for Liberty Media to make sure the Braves have the best team possible because good play usually means good revenue. This Teixera deal and the impending Dotel deal will rejuvenate the fan base. And, just imagine if JS is able to pull a Garland, Willis, Silva, Blanton, Bedard, or Morris out of his hat the entire Braves Nation will feel good again.

By Fan

July 30, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Disaster. As long as the Braves owners keep the bucks between themselves the team will be a revolving door for players. They need pitching.which will be their downfall if they even make the playoffs. Andrew and Tex walk next year to teams willing to spend.

By Stuart

July 30, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

A ton of talent was given away today… but it can all work out IF the Braves and sign Tex to a long term deal. If the salary cap does remain tight however, and we do sign Tex to a deal, this could also hurt: what’s going to happen to Andruw Jones? Will the Braves have enough to even afford a Tori Hunter-type center fielder? Plus, money will be needed to spend on upgrading starting pitching (and re-signing Huddy, even keeping Francouer) a couple years down the road. I sure hope the payroll is increasing… Come on! Inflation can’t be denied! Roll with the punches; spend like the WINNING BRAVES of the 90’s did! Where’s Ted Turner…?

By atlbraves

July 30, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

This is from the Kansas City Star! [http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/211348.html}

Royals talking to Braves about trading Dotel for pitcher Kyle Davies By BOB DUTTON The Kansas City Star MINNEAPOLIS | The Royals appeared to ready to trade veteran closer Octavio Dotel to the Atlanta Braves on Monday afternoon for right-handed starter Kyle Davies.

Neither club has yet offered official confirmation, although several sources indicated a deal was tentatively in place.

“It’s inappropriate for me to comment on any deal that may or may not happen,” Royals general manager Dayton Moore said. “When and if there is a deal, we’ll make an announcement.”

The holdup appears to be on the Braves’ end and concerns their ability to work out final details on a trade earlier in the day in which they acquired first baseman Mark Teixeira and reliever Ron Mahay from the Rangers for catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, shortstop Elvis Andrus and two pitching prospects.

The non-waiver trading deadline is 3 p.m. Tuesday. The Royals continue to discuss trade possibilities with other club in case talks break down with the Braves.

The Dodgers, Indians and Mariners have strongly pursued Dotel, who entered Monday’s series opener against the Twins at 2-1 with a 3.91 ERA and 11 saves in 14 opportunities since returning May 22 from the disabled list.

Davies, 23, has spent parts of the last three seasons in the Braves’ rotation but has yet to reach their projection of a front-line starter. He was demoted recently to Class AAA Richmond after going 4-8 with a 5.76 ERA in 17 starts.

Davies was the Braves’ fourth-round pick in 2001 as a 17-year-old and reached the majors in 2005. He is a combined 14-21 with a 6.15 ERA in 52 games, including 45 starts, in parts of three seasons.

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Hey Anders, we can talk about our closer but a Muts fan can keep his pie-hole shut!

By bushwacker

July 30, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Think about it people, why do we lose in the playoffs, no hitting.

With Smoltz and Hudson both having CY YOUNG caliber years and Chucky pitching great we have enough pitching for the playoffs, what we need is another superstar to compliment Chipper in the playoffs.

Let’s get behind the Braves and win another World Series.

Thanks to CON-VICK we have no football to look forward to.

By Kaye

July 30, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

I dont know if its a good deal or not. We will have to wait to see who plays first. Franco or Tex. My bets on Franco.

By new yorker3

July 30, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Great move. The Braves only traded away one high level minor leaguer. Single a prospects are just that-prospects. Most of them never materialize.

By SO LONG METS!

July 30, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

This has been a GREAT DAY and I predict it will be even better by tomorrow!!! GOOOO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Jon Heyman of SI says the following:

“The Braves are not expected to pursue a long-term contract with Teixeira, who is due to become a free agent after the 2008 season and is making $9 million this year.”

I have to agree with the points that Lew made…I don’t see why everyone thinks this is the case. Until I hear actual evidence that they won’t pursue a long-term contract, which makes no sense, I am not buying it…

Regards,

Jason

By hop

July 30, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

this is a horrible trade and it still will not bring much as far as wins.

the braves have traded away their future for a 36 year old player.

you can tEll that JH AND BC ARE SHORT TIMERS WITH THIS DEAL.

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

One more thing from Heyman:

“Kansas City stands to receive shortstop Brent Lillibridge in return. The 22-year-old prospect is batting .283 with five home runs and 20 RBIs for Class AAA Richmond.”

I have to admit…this doesn’t make a lot of sense if we are only getting Dotel. I know he is their closer and has a good arm, but he is a FA at the end of this year. I would expect the trade to be expanded…hopefully to include Greinke!

Regards,

Jason

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Stuart As far as centerfield goes, unless AJ signs for a significantly less amount than previously suggested, he is gone. I suspect you might see either one of the AAA guys get a chance, or a less expensive defensive centerfielder (Kotsay, Church, Duffy, etc).

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lillibridge get some time in CF unless he is dealt to KC.

Whaddya think about us picking up Enberg from Houston, and trading Renteria for either a decent starter now or an outfielder over the winter?

By Chris

July 30, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Let’s see…a switch-hitter with power, who we hope to convert into a decent first-baseman, for a Gold-Glove, Silver Slugger first-basemen with power.

Yeah, I like it.

No more 1B platoons! The Braves have not been stable at 1B since Galarragga. Our lineup is dangerous 1-8, with everyone able to hit for power or average (except Andruw…we know he’s no average guy).

With another arm, we’ll be dangerous for the rest of the season and into the playoffs.

By Darren

July 30, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Time will tell. This will only be a good trade if the Braves can resign Texiera. Look at what Adam Wainwright has done for St. Louis. We’d be in first place this year with him on our team. Yeah, JD had one good year for us but Adam would have had plenty and we would have been able to pay him under 500K a year. We will see. Happy to have Tex on the team though. Let’s make sure we resign him and Andruw!!!!!!!!! Go Braves!!!!!!!!!!

By Anders

July 30, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Hey Paladin - You might want to give that advice to your closer before they have to use the Nasa shuttle crawler to get him out to the mound!

By bushwacker

July 30, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Don’t exepct Bobby to get rid of Julio, he’ll prbabaly try to platoon him with TEX.

It makes us look desperate playing a 48 year old man.

By TLJ

July 30, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

John Heyman at si.com stated Lillibridge is the player KC would receive if the deal is completed. The article did not mention if other players would be going to KC.

This would be for a rental only as Dotel is a free agent after the season. It also removes another SS from the roster. If Renteria is traded for a SP I’m not sure who the back up SS would be. We still have dept but it’s in lower levels.

Any thoughts?

By don

July 30, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Dotel is coming back from injuries. He will be a free agent at the end of this season.

Sounds like a great prospect for the Braves.

Davies for Dotel. that would be second only to the screwing the Braves got from the Rangers. Why not throw in Francoeur?

The crazy thing is that, if the Braves trade for two-month, lame-armed Dotel, most of you will think it is wonderful.

Pitiful.

By MiaBchBravesFan

July 30, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Holy Jesus, Mother of God! We traded away a potential All-Star in Jarrod Saltalamacchia, a franchise shortstop prospect in Elvis Andrus, and possibly a top left-handed pitching prospect in Matt Harrison, and a FOURTH player for a guy who’s only in town for two years and some left-handed stiff.

Think about this, if JS would have never traded for Mike Gonzalez - who suffered from elbow miseries at the end of last season - Adam LaRoche would still be here, and there would be no need for Mark Teixeira. What a horrible blunder in a string of many for JS The Dunce.

Adam Wainwright, Jose Capellan, Roman Colon, Zach Miner, Andy Marté, Wilson Betemit, Adam LaRoche, Macay McBride, and now this. Jonny S. is absolutely raping our minors for other team’s garbage. Players that won’t stay, players that never sign, players that perform marginally, players that get hurt, players that choke horribly - all this has been the net result of every single player traded for the names above. This will be your legacy, Johnny-boy.

JS, please, get out of your own way and retire. The again, your destruction job might be complete after today.

By lin

July 30, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

its fun read all comments ok here goes go after dontal i always said pass yr or 2 he should be with braves who we trade well throw in our shortstop and one of 1st base guys who are out now and why not its only a game lol

By Player to be named

July 30, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

“Fan”, Tex is signed through 2008…ie. He won’t be leaving with the fat slob (Andruw) next year.

By JAYSEN

July 30, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

IT LOOKS LIKE LILLIBRIDGE IS THE PLAYER HEADING TO KC FOR DOTEL, IF IT HAPPENS…

By TexasBrave

July 30, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Here’s hoping BC wises up and drops AJ down the lineup. I have noticed that no one has put Tex 4th in their probably lineups, why? I think Tex is a much more proven hitter than Jeff and Tex doesn’t swing at the first pitch he sees most of the time. I do like Jeff in the fifth spot followed by McCann, AJ then Diaz. KJ needs to be leading off and if you must you can still platoon him with Escobar. Also as much as I like Willie, Diaz needs to get the majority of the at bats. I hope JS uses Willie to get a much needed arm.

By Interested Observer

July 30, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

I don’t put much stock into what Jon Heyman says. I think the KC star article is probably closer to the real story.

By John

July 30, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

This is another Len Barker disaster. You trade away one of the most popular Braves newcomers ever and Elvis Andrus, who has great potential, for someone who will bolt as soon as he can after being represented by the greedy Scott Boros. All of us who have seen Salty come through the Braves system can only shake their heads at the worst Braves trade in more than two decades.

By TLJ

July 30, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

JasonInMaine,

Didn’t see you post or I wouldn’t have duplicated it. Oh yeah I also forgot we have Woodward as the backup SS.

I doubt Greinke is involved in the trade but it would be sweet.

By Anders

July 30, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Bushwacker - The Braves lose in the playoffs because they can’t close big games. Just run down the list of closers over the last 15 years. Not one lasted more than 3 years and none ever distinguished himself. World Series winning teams almost always have the big gun to close it out 14 out of the 16 wins needed to win the WS. Even mediocre teams can win if you make it a 7 or 8 inning game.

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Would KC send Reggie Sanders along with Dotel for Davies? As much as I love Methuselah as a pinch hitter, Reggie is hitting over 300, with a OBP of over 400 and a slugging percentage of almost 500 in 73 AB’s this year. KC doesn’t need him, and he would only be a pinch hitter part-time OF for this year only.

I think he would help us more in the pennant chase than Julio would. Keep Methuselah on the bench as a coach if you like his presence.

I know, this idea will be pooh poohed, but the dude can still hit, and it about 8 years younger than Methuselah.

By Colin

July 30, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

**Braves Close To Acquiring Dotel For Davies

UPDATE: Word via the Kansas City Star is that the Royals will get Kyle Davies in the deal. Nice job by Dayton Moore if so.** mlbtraderumors.com

By GT

July 30, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Why did we trade away Harrison, when we are so starved for pitching? There is no “getting to the dance” unless we get rotation help, whether now or in the future. And its unlikely we get any rotation help from within any time soon since Schureholz hasn’t conceptualized actually keeping a pitcher in our system. Oh wait, I forgot we have Mike “Cy Young in 2008” Hampton pencilled in the rotation for next year….

Its not like the Braves are exactly starving for run production these days. In the Arizona series, they scored 24 runs in 30 innings, but still lost 2 games to 1. Pitching: its more than just a buzzword, it wins divisions, league pennants and championships. If you don’t have it, you have no chance. And the Braves have very little of it these days.

By Joe Fan

July 30, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

DOB, Since we traded Salty we are going to need to call up a back up catcher correct? I assume Bryan Pena. So who gets moved to make room for him? Do we send down Escobar who has options or release Woodward or Thorman? I think designating Woodward for assignment makes most sense.

By Braves Fan

July 30, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

BAD MOVE!!!!! You give up a switch hitter-catcher-first baseman for a guy from TX that the Ranger fans didnt even like?!?!?!? Salty should have never been traded. Too much young talent just got traded away from the braves. Looks like the Rangers might make the play offs before the Braves do now. Is there anyone out there that will trade Andrew Jones for lets say….a spare grounds keeper?????

By Jorge Garcia

July 30, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

I do not think so, we are giving a lot more than we are getting in return. Elvis Andruw has been compare to Derek Jeter and he will be with the rangers as a franchise player, and i think tex will be out of atlanta after 2008.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

I can live with Davies for Dotel. It would be nice if JS could squeeze Joey Gaithright out of them too. This deal with the Royals tells me that JS is looking for a starter for sure.

The Braves offer Thorman and Villareal to the Twins for Silva or what I think is a more realistic possibility is a call to the A’s. Perhaps JS could throw Ledezma in the deal for Dotel and that would convince Moore to throw in Gaithright. The Braves could then offer the A’s Thorman, Villareal or Yates, and Gaithright for Blanton.

By Adam, Adam, Jason, Jason

July 30, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Another one of JS’s great deals. Teixeira will be on the DL with two weeks, sitting with Hampton and Gonzalez. And, JS didn’t need another left hander, he just traded for Ledezma, didn’t he? That was another great deal for a prospect. It’s time for JS and BC to head on out to pasture. They did a great job, but now they are hanging around and ruining their past record. Seems to me I remember JS telling the sportswriters when he that he had plenty more pitching propsects when he traded Adam Wainwright. Where are they now, JS?

By Chad

July 30, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

I don’t mind losing Salty and Andrus but Matt Harrison is a bit much…

By Lew

July 30, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Paladin-Like Scarlet O’Hara, the last blog does indeed, seem to be Gone With The Wind. Now Baseball futures- Exactly how have we given up the future? Let’s see now-Salty. Do we not have someone signed to catch in Atlanta for 6 more years? Has he not been an All Star 2 times at age 23? Andrus-Do we not have Edgar through 09 (he has a club option for 09)? Do we not have Escobar? Do we not have Lillibridge? Do we not have Cambell and Pope, both of whom can play SS? Do we even know who the pitchers are? Have we ever even heard of them? The Harrison injury may be a blessing in disguise if it means he stays a Brave. Whoever those two guys are, they aren’t likely to help us (other than through a trade) for at least 2 or 3 years. So just how in the hell does this mortgage our future? Y’all, evern with these four gone, even with whoever goes for Dotel, we STILL have the best and most talent filled farm system in baseball. If you can’t see that, then you just ain’t looking or can’t see what’s in front of your face. Afyter the 08 season, the salary belt is loosened considerably and we can buy pitching if we need it. Lighten up. It’s not time to drag out the razor blades and pills.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Who out there doesn’t realize that this is the guy that replaces Andruw in the lineup?

After this year, Druw’s gone, and we needed a 4 hitter. We also needed a 1B, since Salty is a catcher, that is his natural position and that is where his value lies.

With Tex, Willie moves to CF and Diaz becomes the everyday LF, barring a trade to bring in a bigger bat. Lineup in ‘08:

1. Harris 2. Edgar 3. Chipper 4. Tex 5. McCann 6. Francoeur 7. Diaz 8. KJ

I like it. We really haven’t been able to see Diaz and Harris in the lineup together. If we make a move to replace Diaz with a bigger (power-, not average-wise) bat, the lineup will be even more formidable. Take that, Mets!

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

I only talk to a troll once a day; and besides I have just got the vomit cleaned up from last time. Now, all of you Muts trolls go back to your own blog and try to find something good to say about them. And look in your mirrows; you will see the Bravos closing fast!

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 30, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Folks, enough talk about trading the farm. Take out the Joneses, Franco, and Smoltz and what is the average age of the team? Mid ’20s maybe. Harrison is the only player who MIGHT, MIGHT have been in Atlanta in 2-3 years. By the time McCann, KJ, and Francoeur are pushing 30, there’ll be some other prospect to slobber all over.

By rick

July 30, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

here we go again giving away talent. no wonder other teams are passing the braves. we cannot keep this up or we will be in the cellar like before.

By Fred Secunda

July 30, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Boy, they sure are putting all their eggs in Escobar’s basket, no? We just traded away two stud shortstop prospects, if the Dotel deal goes through. Lillibridge is a player and might get a cup of coffee with KC before season’s end. So with Tony Pena and now Lillibridge, that’s two shortstop prospects Dayton Moore has gotten from Altnata in the last six months. Let’s hope Dotel is better than what we’re churning out there and not Danys Baez Part II.

Another thing about Brandon Jones to think about. Remember early in the year when the NAACP criticized the Braves for not signing enough black players? Jones is a stud black player, and I think Schuerholz would be severely criticized if he traded him before giving him a shot.

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

MiaBchBravesFan

Were you born an idiot, or did it take you a while to develop into one?

I love it when guys ONLY look at what they want to look at, instead of a body of work from a person. Which of those guys that you listed do you long for, except for maybe Wainwright? Did you forget about guys like Tim Hudson, Fred McGriff, Andres Gallaraga, etc?

Jeez.

By BamaBrave

July 30, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

The only way these deals don’t make sense is if we only get 1.5 years of Tex, and a few months of Dotel. I can’t see JS jumping out on that limb. I’m beginning to think he’s been given the promise of a larger checkbook by Liberrty Media. Sweet.

At any rate, it’s been a long time since the Braves have been players in this sort of wheeling and dealing, and I love it. When the front office acts with a sense of urgency, I suspect the players will too. Adios Salty…good luck.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

SI.com reporting Harrison not part of deal, due to injury concerns.

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Bushwacker…A Muts fan telling you how to win in the playoffs? The last time they did it is probably before that kid was born.

By Fred B.

July 30, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

this is a trade JS had to make. my only concern is the potential difficulty with signing him after next season.

By Sullychs10

July 30, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Elvis Andrus is OVERRATED

By BravesDave

July 30, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

If the Dotel deal is Davies for Dotel, straight up, I have no problem with that. On the other hand, if they give up Lillibridge, I am going to be mighty annoyed.

Take a step back and realize that if Lillibridge goes, we are then acquiring Teixeira, free agent-to-be Mahay, an injured Mike Gonzalez, and free agent-to-be and injury risk Dotel for Adam Laroche, Salty, Lillibridge, Andrus, and two pitching prospects. Now that is a little tough to swallow, I think. Mainly because I don’t expect to see Dotel or Mahay in the Braves bullpen next season, and Gonzo won’t be back until mid-season at the earliest.

Hold on to Lillibridge. This guy looks like a winner to me.

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Any thoughts about the following guys from Houston: Mark Loretta, Morgan Ensberg, or Mike Lamb. If we had Loretta, he could cover what Woodward does, and do it with a better stick.

If we could pick up Ensberg, then we could drop Woodward and let Escobar be the SS backup.

Just some musings…..

By scstrato

July 30, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

I hope it is Davies for Dotel. Then we could send Lillibridge and another low level minor leaguer to STL for Anthony Reyes.

My Lineup: 1. KJ 2. Renty 3. Chipper 4. Tex 5. Mac 6. Frenchy 7. Andruw 8. Harris

My Rotation: 1. Smoltzie 2. Huddy 3. James 4. Carlyle 5. A. Reyes (send Jo Jo to finish AAA)

My Bullpen: Cl - Wicky set - Soriano set - Dotel left spec - Mahay long - Jo Jo / Villareal mops - Yates / Paronto

By ernesto

July 30, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

I hate to see Salty go, didn’t know much about Elvis or Harrison other than what people say.

This trade could work out huge, or it could be another JD Drew type - but for everyone wringing their hands about what we gave up

No one’s going to trade a stud for say, Pete Orr - even if we package Pete Orr with Woodward and Thorman.

You’ve got to give value to get value.

So it hurts.

The Rangers did a good job and it always takes a few years to figure out who did better in any trade - you’ve got to like JS’s track record though.

Welcome to the ATL Tex -Let’s go Bravos.

Now if only Datyon Moore will give us Dotel for Thorman and Pete Orr….

By Tyler

July 30, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Harris will not be our starting CF next year. If anyone, it will be Brandon Jones.

For the record, I do not want Dotel. He is a B arm and there are other needs we should focus on (starting pitcher) if we give away Lillbridge or Davies or Jones.

Great moves so far. Last thing we need is that starter.

By Jerry Cavender

July 30, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Good Luck to you Salty. Let’s remember what we gave up for Teixeira when he leaves after the ‘08 season.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 30, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

By JasonInMaine.July 30, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this Jon Heyman of SI says the following: “The Braves are not expected to pursue a long-term contract with Teixeira, who is due to become a free agent after the 2008 season and is making $9 million this year.”I have to agree with the points that Lew made…I don’t see why everyone thinks this is the case. Until I hear actual evidence that they won’t pursue a long-term contract, which makes no sense, I am not buying it… Regards,Jason

Jason, I cannot think of a Boras client that hasn’t become a free agent, except Andruw, can you??? Tex is another A-Rod, it’s all about the money first, winning second.

By Eric from MO

July 30, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

Tex better perform because we gave up alot. I dont especially like giving up that many prospects but if we would win the World Series it is worth it. Besides we dont know how many good years Smoltz has so we needed to win now.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

Let’s see now. We shouldn’t have traded for Texiera because the fans in Texas didn’t like him? Well, it’s original, anyway.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

I don’t like giving up Lillibridge for Dotel. Not a good move. Unless the Braves get another player in the deal. Either Grienke (which is way too ambitious) or T. Pena back.

And, I really wish people would quit bringing up all the prospects JS traded away. How many of them have amounted to anything? Exactly. Wainwright, Dye, and Schmidt are about it.

By Ron Roberts

July 30, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

If the Dotel deal is for Kyle Davies, it makes sense in this way…

You have to believe that Bobby Cox is so done w/Kyle Davies’ inconsistencies that he’d never pitch under Cox again, anyhow.

But I don’t care much for this deal in that Octavio’s a half-year rental and Kyle has the pitches (if not the mental makeup yet) to be a darned good starting pitcher.

That being said, with Smoltz, Hudson, Chuck James and Carlyle, Reyes, Lance Cormier (should he return), and Mike Hampton (should he return) and double-digit millions off the books if/when Andruw leaves to add a viable starter in free agency during the off-season, maybe there never was gonna be another shot for Kyle in Atlanta anyhow. A change of scenery for him, along with a different set of coaching voices, might be good for him. Kauffman Stadium’s a fair ballpark (as was Turner, though…) and Gil Meche went from so-so to pretty damn good there, so why can’t it work for Kyle?

By Anders

July 30, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Paladin - When I look in the rea view mirror all I see is a Braves team that is breaking down and fans that can’t come to terms with it. Smoltz is limping through the yea, Chipper can’t string two months in a row any more, Andruw has one eye on the door and the other on the buffett table and all that’s left is a bunch of overrated good players but nothing that scraes anyone. The Braves would have been better off of the Mets played up to their potential this year and were 10 or more games up where they should be. Instead the Braves got false hope and unfortunately overpaid for a Boras client. If the incompetent Rangers did that to you what do you think Boras will do? After he finishes feasting on A-Rod next year his next biggest client will be Tex. - Good Luck!

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why people are saying they heard from SI that we won’t try and land Tex long term. Even if that were true why would someone in the Braves organization come out and say that. The trade just happened. No one knows what will happen long term. I’m sure if he plays as well as we all hope we WILL make a serious run at him. Especially w/ the contarcts of AJ, Hampton and Renteria coming up.

By Hunk Erdown

July 30, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

You know what? Even if it turns out not to be a long term deal, its worth it. If for no other reason… John Smoltz deserves to have a chance to get back to the W.S. before he finishes. I have gotten so tired of seeing him and other pitchers pitch their hearts out, holding the other team to one or two runs and we can’t score 2-3 to get him the win. We have a chance NOW to go beyond 162 games. Trade the farm to do it? No, but this was a good trade. We don’t know that this trade will even get us to the post season, but we’re close enough to at least try. This trade will make our pitchers pitch harder and better because they know that management wants to win and wants to do it now. It will make our offense better because players will see better pitches to hit and again, they see that management is willing to do what it takes to win now.

By Matt

July 30, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Maybe someone else has posted this, but I guess we’re in on Arroyo still. Wow, that would be something. It is only one source though, so we’ll see.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/Red-Sox-hoping-to-land-Gagne?urn=mlb,40778

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Chris I think you are correct to assume that Tex replaces AJ’s bat next year. What scares the heck out of me is to have Harris roaming around in CF as the primary man. He is NOT a good outfielder. Takes bad routes, and makes a lot of mental mistakes out there. Also has a weak arm.

I think he will still be a platoon guy next year, if indeed he is still here.

By pinkygonzales

July 30, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

the lineup should be as Cox will probably have it.

1. Harris/Escobar
2. Renteria
3. Chipper
4. Teixeria
5. Andruw
6. McCann/Francouer
7. McCann/Francouer
8. Johnson/Diaz

I have a feeling that the only problem people would have with this Andruw being so high and Johnson/Diaz being low. Here’s the thing. Willie Harris’ value to the club is as a table setter. If he hit eighth, you would be giving the pitcher a reason to pitch around McCann/Francouer because you figure that Willie can’t hurt you that bad. But Johnson has proven that he can hurt you, so having in the 8 spot, which in this line-up would be an RBI producing spot, is a good thing. As far as Andruw 5 goes, this is more about giving protection to Teixeria. As good as Francouer/McCann are, they are not the power/rbi threat that Andruw is, thus teams would be more apt to pitch around Teixeria if Andruw wasn’t behind him. Expect both Tex and Chipper to have a big couple of months.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

SI.com reporting Harrison not part of trade due to injury concerns. I like that.

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Lew Take care of the trolls and jackals. I’m going in for dinner. And SG, no, I am not going to do that on this particular trip.

By MARIO

July 30, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

I THINK TEXEIRA IS NOT THE SOLUTION, AND WE ARE GIVING AWAY TWO FUTURE ALLSTARS IN ANDRUS AND SALTY

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Holy cow…who in the heck would we include in the deal for Arroyo? Remember…I said quite a while ago that I thought the Braves would get him…even after the Reds said he wasn’t available. Man, if JS gets Tex, Arroyo, and Dotel…I may have to take a day off from work to celebrate!!!!

By Ryan

July 30, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

I feel like I’m watching the McGriff trade all over again.

By BULL OF THE WOODS

July 30, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

I estimate the vote is about 90% FOR this trade and 10% AGAINST. One group consists of idiots. I suspect it is the latter.

By Ron

July 30, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Dont trade Davies for a damn rental!!! Davies is ONLY 23 years old!!! NO!!! JS is doing the EXACT same thing he did in KC before he left for the Braves, he left fossils in the minors!!! This trade BETTER not happen!!! Lillibridge should not be traded either!!!

By Rena

July 30, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

I hope that this doesn’t end up like the J.D. Drew deal. We weren’t able to resign Drew and lost a great pitching prospect in Adam Wainwright that even Schuerholz said he regretted trading. I hope that we don’t lose Teixeira after next season and regret losing Salty and the others.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Willie Harris will not be the centerfielder next year. They aren’t going to let him bat against LHP. Get used to it now. Next year, Francoeur moves to center and KJ goes to the outfield along with Brandon Jones. Diaz stays as a RH pinch hitter, maybe an occaisional platoon with Johnson. Escobar moves to second-unless Edgar is traded, then you might expect Lillibridge to move up, or leave KJ at 2B and Matt in left. Now as far as getting rid of all of our talent as someone above mentioned. ???? Where did Francoeur, McCann, Kelly Johnson, Escobar, James, Ascanio, Devine, and Boyer come from in the past three years? Really, some of the comments here are bordering on the absurd. There is no way you can bring up and keep every single player that comes through your organization-physically, there just isn’t enough room on a team. This is especially true when your farm system is as loaded top to bottom like the Braves’ is. This is the best farm system in MLB. Just why do you think all these other GM’s are ready and willing to deal with JS, even after he fleeces most of them? Sheesh.

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Maybe we can package Thorman, Woodward, Orr and Davies to Baltimore for Bedard…………

:-)

By Scott Boras

July 30, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Anyone know where I can rent a house in the Atlanta area for a client for 1 1/2 years? He’ll need plenty of stirage as he doesn’t plan to unpack much.

By goldeneye77

July 30, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

“…Adam Wainwright, Jose Capellan, Roman Colon, Zach Miner, Andy Marté, Wilson Betemit, Adam LaRoche, Macay McBride, and now this. Jonny S. is absolutely raping our minors for other team’s garbage. Players that won’t stay, players that never sign, players that perform marginally, players that get hurt, players that choke horribly - all this has been the net result of every single player traded for the names above. This will be your legacy, Johnny-boy…”

—- How many of those guys would you seriously want back in a Braves uni. ?? You’d rather have the ‘great’ Ande Marte here instead of Renteria?!?!…haha

By Captain Obvious

July 30, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Why do people think Salty and Andrus are future All Stars? Andrus was signed when he was 16, he hasn’t hit anything but can play great defense. BIG DEAL. He WILL not be a significant big league contributer. Apparently we kept Harrison,b/c of his injured shoulder. Salty hasn’t hit much since his first few weeks up. GREAT TRADE ABSOLUTELY GREAT TRADE

By Steve from OH

July 30, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

MLBTR says we’re going after Arroyo. Good Lord, will we even have a AAA team after tomorrow?

By Efrim

July 30, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

The Braves are reportedly involved in discussions with the Reds regarding Bronson Arroyo.

The Reds are under no pressure at all to move Arroyo, who is signed through 2010 with an option for 2011. The Braves may have the money to take him on — he big extension doesn’t kick in until 2009, so he’ll make less than $6 million through the end of 2008 — but they’re starting to run low on minor league talent to pull off another major deal. They’d likely have to include Jo-Jo Reyes, another quality pitching prospect (Tommy Hanson) and one of their top remaining minor league position players.

Not Hanson. Anyone but Hanson. We already gave up Salty, Andrus, Harrison, Feliz and Davies. Giving up Lillibridge, Hanson and Jo Jo Reyes for Bronson Arroyo is absolute and utter overkill. I would like to get Arroyo, but not at that price…..

By Colin

July 30, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Braves Discussing Arroyo With Reds

**According to Yahoo’s Tim Brown, the Braves are talking to the Reds about Bronson Arroyo. This wouldn’t be the first time they’ve shown interest in him.

Despite his decline this year, Arroyo would still probably be the best starter dealt this July. John Schuerholz would really be going for broke if he snagged Arroyo. I have to imagine Jo-Jo Reyes and/or Yunel Escobar would be involved, because they’re running out of prospects.**

Now were getting a little ahead of ourselves… maybe we should stick to Dotel and Tex.

By iwalterp

July 30, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

Well, I figured Daniels would wait JS out and make him panic to sweeten the deal. He now gets 4 players instead of the 3 mentioned before. I will miss Salty, but did anyone else get the impresion that the Braves were hiding Salty the last week. It was like they did not want the Rangers to see him play. If it was not for him to get hurt, then why was Tex playing everyday.I think Salty is going to be a very good catcher who will hit for an average from both sides, but I am not so sure he will put up major power numbers. Over the past 2 months I saw balls I thought he hit pretty good die at the warning path.

By LR

July 30, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

After my disgust with how much we’re paying Hampton (who I have yet to see ever play)I’m not a fan of gambling on trying to build the bullpen. At least when our utility players get injured, we eventually see them again later in the season.

By Jason

July 30, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

It’s about time this trade got done; finally, we have a quality back-up first baseman for Julio Franco.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Ron, Davies is done for Bobby Cox.

Bobby liked the kid and gave him every chance he could, but look at his career numbers:

14-21, 6.15 ERA.

Granted, it’s less than 240 career innings, but we have Smoltz, Hudson, James (t-15th in NL with 3.55 ERA), Carlyle, Cormier (hopefully), Hampton (God knows), Reyes…

I really think Cox had given up on Davies. Granted, I would like more in return, but to get a closer for a AAA guy who may never again crack your top 5? Well, why not?

By Brad

July 30, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

You have to sometimes trade away good prospects to get good players so you can win now. Prospects are just that, prospects. Teixeria is a good player that can help us now. Salty would be able to be a big help down the road, but the Braves have a chance to win now.

By Anders

July 30, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Paladin - Not sure what the trolls comments are about - seems a little middle school for me. Anyway, you rolled over as easily as your closers in a big spot. At least show some gumption to defend your boys. Avoiding the discussion is pretty wek. Have a nice dinner - be sure to tell Wickman that just because it’s all you can eat doesn’t mean until you puke!

By Scoff

July 30, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

On MLBTRADERUMORS.COM *According to Yahoo’s Tim Brown, the Braves are talking to the Reds about Bronson Arroyo. This wouldn’t be the first time they’ve shown interest in him.

Despite his decline this year, Arroyo would still probably be the best starter dealt this July. John Schuerholz would really be going for broke if he snagged Arroyo. I have to imagine Jo-Jo Reyes and/or Yunel Escobar would be involved, because they’re running out of prospects.*

By johnny k

July 30, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

If we lose AJ why not put Escobar in CF and Diaz in LF and keep Renteria? I keep seeing where people are ready to dismiss Rentie and this guy is likely the best fielding and hitting SS we have ever had! Brandon Jones can be next years phenom and platoon with Matty D. Priority now has to be the pitching. Not Jon Garland or Carlos Silva…..oh yes, best of luck to Salty. We all wish you well.

By Sam

July 30, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

I wonder why so many major league general managers are wasting their lives on some job. It is apparent that anyone posting here knows more than the GMs currently in baseball.

By Anders

July 30, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah - God I hope you’re not driving tonight as you are obviously drunk out of your mind! Do you really think the O’s would make that trade? Your spare parts for Bedard? Why don’t you see if you can trade those guys for Santana of the Twins instead? Sober up pal.

By dadgum

July 30, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Great for tyhis year…but no guarantee they will be able to resign Tex after ‘08. This trade is still a toss up at best long term but absolutely a steal short term. Time to get Liberty to show their hand as to payroll. It will take a lot and this means Andruw will probably be gone for sure.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Anders-Dude, if that’s what you see in your rear view mirror, you need to keep on driving-far away!!! Now for those of you salivating over Dontrelle, maybe you need a little review here. Let’s compare 05, 06 and 07, in that order. Wins 22, 12, 7. Losses 10, 12, 10 (so far), ERA 2.63, 3.87, 4.95. BB 55, 83, 60(so far). Strikeouts 170, 160, 90 (so far). WHIP 1.13, 1.42, 1.64. Shut outs 5, 1, 0. HR given up 11, 21, 16 (again, so far). IP 236, 223, 134. Hits given up 213, 234, 161 (yet again, so far). Are we beginning to see a trend here? Do we see a not so slow downward spiral? Considering what the Marlins are likely going to ask for him (THEY think he’s a #1 starter), and his huge salary, just why would we want him? As a number 4-5 starter? That’s the kind of numbers he’s putting up these days.

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

I think I do the Arroyo deal for Jo Jo, but I would hope to be able to keep Lillibridge. I think he is the second baseman or CF of the future.

What if it becomes Renteria for Arroyo? Is Arroyo good enough to give up Edgar, and would a rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Arroyo, James and Carlyle be good enough to win it all?

Lew Do you really think Frenchy would be able to handle center? I really like his arm in right. I would almost go for a cheaper CF or work out Lillibridge or Blanco get a shot.

I think that by this time tomorrow, a lot of our questions might be answered.

By doninga.

July 30, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

I’m probably like 99.9% of the others, I really can’t say. However, on paper it looks very good if we can afford to keep Teixeira (a proven talent). We must use some of our “look good” rookies to do what John has done. So long Salty, we hardly knew yah, but you did good!

By Andy

July 30, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Well its all but official now. The Braves have traded Kyle Davies to the Royals for Octavio Dotel. The only holdup is due to the Braves concerns about their ability to work out the final details on the Teixeira trade.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Willie has only had 29 AB’s against LHP. Not because he can’t hit it, just that Cox loves those platoons. He’ll get his shot, I believe.

By don

July 30, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

P.T. Barnum said there is a fool born every minute. Apparently, all of the ones born in the last year or so are busy supporting this ridiculous trade.

Why, I’ll bet they are even making reservations for the playoffs. Fools, no doubt.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Escobar in CF? Really?

Come on, now.

By Kevin

July 30, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

I think this is a great trade. I love Salty but he isn’t going anywhere with Atlanta. Tex will be a great asset for the Braves. He adds the bat that the Braves need. They also got a good left handed reliever that we haven’t had this year. I hope that Bobby bats Tex 4th and i think Andruw should bat 7th behind Jeff and B-Mac.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

Goldeneye77- You’re absolutely right. Exactly which of those players on that list has made any impact whatsoever on the team they were traded too? Wainwright? Average at best. The rest have done absolutely nothing. Hear that those of you who think we’ve given away the farm? NOTHING from any of them. Maybe they’re expecting Macay McBride to excell.

By Chase

July 30, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

On the RADIO BillShanks is reporting that the BRAVES are going after BRONSON ARRYO very hard and he said

“He thought they’d have him by tommorrow afternoon”

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

Goldeneye77 You are talking about players from 3 or 4 years ago. Like was mentioned before we can’t keep all our players. He has made some good deals, yes we’ve given up good prospects but why would anyone want B or C rated guys. Trading players is like being an entrepreneur…”it takes money to make money” just as it takes ball players to get good ones in return!

We are looking good. At the major league level and our farm system. I agree, we have one of the best if not THE BEST, farm systems in baseball. I’m psyched about the next couple years. GO BRAVES

By Wendy

July 30, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Just reading the blog at the Dallas Morning News. They seem to be celebrating the loss of their clubhouse cancer (Teixeira) who could only hit in the bandbox in Arlington. That’s not what I wanted to read.

By rich s

July 30, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

AWFUL TRADE!!! Giving up a lot of years with a lot of young talent for 1 1/2 years with Texeira and a 36 yr old pitcher. You have got to be kidding me. The Braves are going nowhere without more pitching ( hitting hasn’t been the problem ), and giving away the future is not the way to go. Salty was perhaps a Chipper in the making, why sit him instead of moving him to first? So that Julio can play? What are they thinking? JS felt he needed to do something, he’ll be gone long before these rpospects are done with their careers. Hope that I’m wrong, but I don’t think so on this one…

By Kevin

July 30, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

I think this is a great trade. I love Salty but he isn’t going anywhere with Atlanta. Tex will be a great asset for the Braves. He adds the bat that the Braves need. They also got a good left handed reliever that we haven’t had this year. I hope that Bobby bats Tex 4th and i think Andruw should bat 7th behind Jeff and B-Mac.

By Matt

July 30, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

DOB, I know you’re really busy today…but I was wondering about this Mahay guy. Has he been facing the premier lefties that have come to bat against the Rangers in late and close situations or has that responsibility been given primarily to Wilson?

By Bill

July 30, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Hey, I just learned how to say “saltalamacchia” now I have to learn “teixeira” not to mention “mahey” or whatever. Anyway, a GOOD trade it seems…power lineup for sure…will the pitching also come to the front?…bunch of games with Mets and Phils coming up rest of way will tell the tale…

By JH

July 30, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Only if they can keep Tex here long term. Otherwise losing 2 top prospects for 1 quick fix is never worth it.

By Scoff

July 30, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

ESPN Dotel for Kyle Davies trade is near complete!! wow

By Joe Fan

July 30, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Think anyone would take Willy Aybar? Maybe Tampa Bay has soomething to give us, he seems like their type of player.

By b\

July 30, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Reported on Sportscenter that a possible deal for Dotel is a straight up Dotel for Davies. It came right after Steve Phillips discussed the Teixeira trade.

By submariner

July 30, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

We still need a good left handed starter.

By Colin

July 30, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Is Dotel coming to Hotlanta or not yet? Get rid of Davies!!

By bob

July 30, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Reported on Sportscenter that a possible deal for Dotel is a straight up Dotel for Davies. It came right after Steve Phillips discussed the Teixeira trade.

By Roddy

July 30, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

I’m betting the Braves will now extend Andruw’s contract for one year (which he will accept) and they’ll go for broke in 08. Afterward, they’ll get out from under Andruw, Hampton, Wickman and Renteria. Smoltz retires (along with BC and JS), and there is plenty of money to throw at Tex.

By Truth

July 30, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Everytime you question JS, you better stop and think again. With a very rare exception- which I actually can’t think of- he makes the right move. He is the best GM in baseball and should always be given the benefit of the doubt.

I love Salty but this is a great deal. The only thing that taints the deal at all is the fact that Tex is represented by Scott Boras.

By Kevin

July 30, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

I think this is a great trade. I love Salty but he isn’t going anywhere with Atlanta. Tex will be a great asset for the Braves. He adds the bat that the Braves need. They also got a good left handed reliever that we haven’t had this year. I hope that Bobby bats Tex 4th and i think Andruw should bat 7th behind Jeff and B-Mac.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Anders-Wayne’s trade proposal was tongue in cheek. You do recognize sarcasm, don’t you? Wayne-Yes, I would be quite comfortable with Frenchy in center. He certainly has the arm needed and is good at tracking the ball down. I would have no problem whatsoever with him out there. You’re right to mention Blanco, though. Damn, our farm system is deep. I fail to see why people think that losing these four players depletes all of our talent. It barely scratches the surface. I’ve got to go with Efrim on this one, though (wonder of wonders). No way Hanson goes anywhere.

By bob

July 30, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Sportscenter is reporting possibly Dotel for Davies if anyone is curious for something more tangible.

By submariner

July 30, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

rich s, it’s about winning now. It’s a good trade.

By vwburt

July 30, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

another john s.stupid trades. braves fans desever better than what we are getting. if tex can’t be signed to a long term contract, this will be the worse trade in the history of the atlanta braves. the braves management must be on CRACK to do a trade like this.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Wendy, Tex can only hit at Arlington, huh? Here are his totals covering last 3 seasons (04-06):

Home: .299, 60 HR, 200 RBI.

Away: .278, 54 HR, 166 RBI.

Wow, let’s not schedule any road games!

By Phil in Alabam

July 30, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Another infrequent poster drawn out of “reading-only” mode this day.

First of all, great deal on the surface. Loved Salty and think he’s a great kid, but you have to take the chance when an offer like this comes around. I hope he turns into as strong a teammate as a power hitter, but hey, the early ’70s A’s won championships with some jerks, right? Is it still possible the Rangers won’t pick Harrison because of arm questions - today was the first day I was actually rooting for a Brave to have arm problems!

It looks like all the other rumors for Braves’ pickups are “fluid,” to use JS-speak. Any pitching help would be needed, but we did get a lefty reliever already (still don’t get the McBride trade - any insight on that DOB? feels weird) with Mahay. I think our farm system is deep enough (and has already produced enough talent in the bigs now that will hold spots in the lineup for a long time) to part with a couple more if we can get a couple more arms for this run. I’d like to keep Davies because he just seems too talented to not put it together - and I think B. Jones is untouchable, but anybody else might be worth it to go all-out this year. Just makes you think how nice it would be if Gonzo hadn’t gone down…

But regardless, it’s is a fun day - this is what we clamor for, right? To dream about ‘93 dejavu? To think we’re going to hold nothing back for a SERIOUS run at a deep postseason with Smoltz and Chip gutting it out (as the longest-running ‘mates in the game now). It just has a good feeling right now that everything is coming together - and everybody in that clubhouse probably understands the blend of players that have right now points to doing it THIS YEAR.

And in the midst of all this, remember to appreciate a couple of Bravos the rest of this season: Glavine (an honorary member, despite some who still hate the guy so irrationally) going for 300 - best of luck…and A.J., whose chance of remaining a Bravo past this year just diminished even further with Tex’s arrival (who knows - I’m still optimistic, but Tex’s arrival certainly doesn’t INCREASE the odds of Andruw staying.

Enjoy ‘em while they’re still here (or playing, in Glav’s case). I remember hanging over the bullpen railing to watch Maddux warm up before his last start as a Brave a few years ago and truly realizing what a rare trio of HOFers Maddux had led in Atlanta. And curse his offensive inconsistencies, but Andruw is just a wonder to behold in the field. I mean, how he reads and tracks down balls - just amazing. The same feel that I got watching Maddux working batters (Jon Miller said last night during the Angels-Tigers game that the inside cut fastball should be called the “maddux.”).

1914, 1957, 1995 - it’s about time we mess with the symmetry of spreading out those WS rings!

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Anders Dude, can’t you recognize sarcasm when you see it?

LR Don’t get us started on Hampton. Hampton is an excellent starter when healthy. Yes, he makes a lot of $$, but NO the Braves are only paying about 9 mil of it. You must be young if you missed his excellent starts for the Atlanta Braves a few years back. Hampton is not our problem.

johnny k You are right, Renteria is a great SS and a valued member of our team. Now, to improve your team, you trade from strength (ie. Saltalamacchia). To be honest, if Escobar played SS for a month straight, you would realize that Edgar is probably NOT as good a SS as Escobar is. Edgar has great hands, a decent arm, and limited range. Escobar has excellent range, a cannon for an arm, and the only thing that is not for sure is how he will handle to routine stuff. I suspect he will make you forget about Edgar’s glove.

So, (sorry for the long answer), if you can bring in a good #3 starter for Edgar, then you have SS covered for 10 years behind him. And no, I am not forgetting about Renteria’s bat, which is excellent. You gotta give to get.

Jason LOVE IT!!

By David-ATL14

July 30, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

Where the Hell is DOB?

By the way an impressive job on M&MD Show this afternoon.

Too many trolls on the blog now, I figure another “Stinging Rebuke” ala Ron Roberts should decrease traffic greatly.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 30, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

The Braves have generally been very good about knowing the quality of their prospects and players…with a few exceptions. Schmidt and Wainwright. Who else?

Like I said earlier, the Braves have young position players. Therefore, the farm is LESS critical.

Should we trade away all top prospects? No, but you have to give up something to get something and there’s no guarantee that all of those prospects will become dynamic, MLB players. “Tex,” meanwhile IS a dynamic MLB player. And who says we can’t sign him in 2009? No Hampton or Andruw money to worry about.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Why does everyone assume we got Tex for 1.5 years? With Druw’s and Hampton’s coming off the books, the Braves clear up $30 million in payroll, easily enough for the $15-18mil Tex will be asking for.

He went to Tech and is probably comfortable and familiar with Atlanta. Why would he not end up staying here?

By daxxed

July 30, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Yes, but will he bat 4th or is COX still going to bat AJ 4th.

AJ should bat where his average dictates and that is 8th.

By Fred Secunda

July 30, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

I know he’s busy sorting through all this stuff, but I wish DOB would drop in and let us know the latest. Take a break from the phones and drop us a line, my man.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Anybody know that Salty, 21, is married to a teacher from his high school, 37, who is expecting their second child? Yikes!

By Lew

July 30, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Wendy-Sounds like a big bunch of sour grapes to me. JS is pretty sensitive to the issue of character and clubhouse comeraderie. I doubt Texiera is as bad as the press in Dallas may think. After all, they did elect Bush Governor, didn’t they? What do they know? (Don’t worry-that’s the extent of MY political commentary-totally circumstantial).

By Wendy

July 30, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Hey Chris, I only reported what I read on the Dallas Morning News web site. Get a life statboy loser.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Just gave birth to their second child. My bad.

By goldeneye77

July 30, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

FairWeatherBraveFanHater, re-read my post :) … the top part was a quote from an earlier post…I love this trade!…Braves’ fans should be ecstatic that the front office is going for it now….you never know what may happen down the road…let’s all focus on 2007!!

By Lucas...

July 30, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

I don’t mean to be a negative nancy, and I do really like Willie Harris and am very thankful that he is with the club, but there is a reason that he is a journeyman infielder/outfielder. I do think he will be with the team, just not the starting CF. The same goes for Carlyle except I don’t think he will be with the team. There are reason why the people HAD TO SIGN MINOR LEAGUE DEALS.

By KC

July 30, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

As others have said… if the Braves get Dotel and Arroyo, I think they’ll be the favorites to win the east, unless Pedro makes one hell of a quick comeback to 100% form.

I don’t know who we would give up for Arroyo, but it won’t be Escobar. The fact that Elvis was included in the Tex deal is a sign of how they think of Escobar’s future in Atlanta.

If Davies is the guy going to KC for Dotel, then maybe Thorman, Reyes, Devine, Prado… a package like that, for Arroyo. Unless the Reds have interest in Renteria.

By DonCoburleone

July 30, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

It is a done deal… Davies for Dotel, straight up! I love it!!!

By atlbravesmania

July 30, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

By eddie

July 30, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Salty had WAY more upside than Texiera…… Bad move

salty sucks !! welcome to the braves teixeira …

By bill

July 30, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

It’s been a crazy day in the Braves Nation. Look’s like more to come. I hope all of this works. If is doen’t, JS is doing to the Braves farm system, the same as he did with the Royals. He gutted their system and it’s just now beginning to recover.

By KC

July 30, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

BTW… I’m sure I’m not the first person to point this out, but…

When was the last time we say Schuerholz this aggressive? You have to go back to pre-Time Warner days.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE NEW OWNERSHIP?

By Wayne in Utah

July 30, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Lew If AJ doesn’t sign for another contract, I see us putting a caretaker out in center, someone who can go get it (certainly not Harris) and who won’t hurt you too bad with the bat.

The reason I say that is the kid, Jordan Schafer down at Myrtle Beach is supposed to be the real deal as far as being a top notch centerfielder. He also is hitting good so far.

So, in a couple of years, it could be Frenchy, Schafer and B Jones. If the youngsters live up to the hype, it could be a good outfield.

I could see us trying to pick up someone like Kotsay/Duffy/Church as a temp centerfielder if we don’t go with Lillibridge, Blanco or Escobar.

WOW. You are right, we have some real potential down on the farm.

Gotta run for a few hours. I’ll be back to celebrate the Dotel trade??????

By heath

July 30, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

looks like the luis castillo deal to the mets is done…. still like to see a trade for a pitcher

By Efrim

July 30, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Lew,

I know you don’t like me and you won’t see much of me on this blog(very busy at work for the next few months), but I would be really p** if we gave up Hanson in any deal. 6 foot 6, commands his fastball well and has a great strikeout to walk ratio in the minors. He seems to have a higher ceiling than any of our pitching prospects. This system is still off the charts in terms of pitchers in Danville, Rome and Myrtle Beach. Position prospect wise, Kaaihue, B Jones, Lillibridge, Schafer, Campbell, Pope and hopefully Heyward, still solid.

By David

July 30, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Andrus was signed when he was 16, he hasn’t hit anything but can play great defense. BIG DEAL. He WILL not be a significant big league contributer.

In his podcast at Scout.com, Bill Shanks states his belief that Andrus is the next Derek Jeter. He goes on to say that he would have given up 3 more prospects, a 7 for 2 deal before he would have given up Andrus. I would trust his opinion more than yours even if I hadn’t seen Andrus play and known Shanks to be right on the matter.

By The Fan

July 30, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Thank you Atlanta for removing the Cancer from our clubhouse. This could be the best day in the history of the Rangers franchise. Don’t say we didn’t warn you. You will be very disappointed when he is only productive for one half of the year. What a waste of talent.

By David

July 30, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

Why does everyone assume we got Tex for 1.5 years?

Because of what happened with JD Drew.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 30, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

And personally, I like the “aggressive JS” instead of the “Tom Martin and Kent Mercker circa 2003 JS.” This is the first time in 14 years that the Braves actually did something significant at or near the deadline.

By Steven

July 30, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Wow, look at all these comments.

By Mackey Sasser

July 30, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Ron, you can’t be serious. Davies, as has been pointed out numerous times today, is done with this organization. to flip him for a guy who takes the bullpen from shaky to solid is a masterstroke by JS. There are three major things to have as a team - starters, bullpen and lineup. If we can’t have a decent strating staff beyond the first three we had damn well have an excellent lineup AND bullpen. That’s what we have after today’s two deals by the homeboy upstairs. Outstanding work by JS. If you don’t like these deals you just can’t be pleased. And for all the “we’re selling the future” folks - what’s the Braves track record on trading the right prospects? Exactly. We almost never trade the wrong ones. It seems close to even because the mistakes are so much more memorable (Dye or Schmidt) byt when you look at the hits versus the misses it’s not even close.

By Doug Markham

July 30, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

Yes it is good. Gives you home about the immediate future and I like that. The Braves have an excellent farm system. Win now, not later——maybe!

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

I just don’t get the Renteria trade talk at all. He has been nothing short of spectacular this year. His field play is gold glove material. He doesn’t have the strongest arm or cover the most ground but as a full package he does it all. W/ the bat he has 10 HR and 52 RBI while scoring 68 runs and 11 SB’s. He also has a top 5 batting avg @ .333. Not to mention all the clutch hits. If we only picked up Tex for the next 1.5 yrs then we need Renteria if we plan to do anything this season. I know we need another SP for the post season but it must come from a different route.

GO BRAVES

By Darrin

July 30, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

This is a great trade. Salty is good, but have to wait and see if he will be great. Tex is already great. Who really knows about Elvis and the pitching prospects.

Remember when Schurholtz used to go out and get the likes of Alejandro Pena and Keith Lockhart and tell us they were going to save the Braves? This is the deal that we wished he would have made in the past but never did.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 30, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

For those with an erection for Harrison…he’s no longer part of the Tex deal due to health concerns, as reported earlier. Thus another precious prospect remains with the Braves.

Dotel his a $5 million player option for 2008, which can be voided by the club.

By Yars

July 30, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Schuerholz should be aggressive. I hope he surprises us a couple more times before the trading deadline. Go for broke, man. The National League is weak this season. There is no dominant team. The Mets don’t impress me, Cubs don’t. Dodgers don’t. Hell man, no team in the NL is running away with anything. If the Braves sneak into the playoffs, they could go really deep this time around. That’s what JS is doing. He knows all this. Try to win it all right now. This season. *uck next year or 2 years from now. Win the whole godamn thing this season. If we get Dotal, awesome. If we get Arroyo, *ucking awesome. Don’t judge Arroyo by his overall numbers this season. He’s a much better pitcher than what his stats indicate. Just think, what is Andruw snaps out of his funk, & Chipper stays healthy? This team could go far. How can some of you say that JS is destroying the farm system? Escobar is going to be here for a long time, & I can’t see KJ going anywhere, our OF will be fine,(Andruw 100% gone after the season) we still got some good looking prospects down at the farm. Salty will be missed, but his future is at catcher, not at 1B.

By atlbraves

July 30, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

The Fan

Tex is coming to a real team…full of veterans! He will fit in just fine. Winning changes everything…something that Rangers will never experience. Sounds like sour grapes to me!

By Mike

July 30, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

This just in Ron Mahay was once in all my children. Whats the significance in this? Simple, hes good under pressure. When hes facing Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, and Carlos Delgado in September with the Braves season potentially on the line the fact that he may be on a nationally televised game will not have an impact on the outcome.

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

Lew & Wayne in Utah Let me know if you need any mop-up work. Otherwise, you guys are doin’ great.

By robdawg06

July 30, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

The trade was needed and only proved that trading LaRoche was a bad move. It seems like every time the Braves lose and win the Mets lose and win. The Braves are 4 1/2 out with the Phillies closing in on them. Its time to play ball and for the Braves players to step up and earn their money. Any new news on trading Kyle Davies to the Royals for closer Octavio Dotel ?

By Bob

July 30, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Dave must be working in overdrive right now. It is not normal for so much to be going on and not hear from him.

I think the trade was a good one. You can’t get something for nothing. Am a bit surprised about the references to Tex being a “cancer” in the clubhouse, but normally the Braves thoroughly check that stuff out before making a move. Could just be some frustrated Ranger fans…or maybe even Mets Drool in disguise! Based on the Jeff Shultz article it sounds more like Tex was frustrated with Texas’ lack of effort to try and win.

I still think we need a starter although there is not much out there. Still the lineup looks pretty damn good and I know there is some scrambling going on in Philly and Queens.

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Sorry GoldenEye77 I see that. I thought you wrote the top part. I see where you questioned that post too.

By KC

July 30, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

DOB: I know you’re busy man, but check in and throw us a bone… what’s the 411 on Dotel and Arroyo???

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 30, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

I enjoyed the 14 straight division titles too, but I’m sure the players would’ve traded ‘em in for rings in 1991 & 1996 and maybe some in the 2000s. ‘92 and ‘99 weren’t going to happen anyway.

By KC

July 30, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

FairWeatherBraveFanHater: Of course, Renteria has been wonderful! The only reason you part with him now is to get a quality starter, without having to give up too much more young talent.

By submariner

July 30, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Doug, Your’e right. Everyone is analyzing these trades as what happens long term. It’s about winning now! I hate to give up Salty, but he’s not going to get much PT and better to get someone who can help now and give Salty a chance to play everyday. This works out for both teams. The Mets are ripe for the picking!

By Chase

July 30, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

From the METS’ website

NEW YORK — For Carlos Beltran, the disabled list may have just bridged the gap from possibility to probability. An MRI taken Sunday morning on Beltran’s strained left oblique revealed small amounts of fluid, signaling an abdominal tear. The Mets will continue to monitor Beltran’s situation before their next game on Tuesday, at which point they could place their center fielder on the DL.

“I feel sore, I feel tight, I can’t swing, I can’t run,” Beltran said. “That’s the way I feel, so I’m not able to play.”

The BRAVES add a switch-hitting slugger…The MUTS lose one

Sweat it out Muts fans!

The BRAVES are COMING

By Lew

July 30, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

Efrim-I don’t really dislike you, I just enjoy giving you grief and you open yourself up for it real well. However, like I said, I agree with you about Hanson. I noticed him way back in April. He certainly looks like the real deal to me. Didn’t he have a 5-1 K to BB ratio for most of the season? Awesom. I’ll miss you.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 30, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

Alright, how do we make room for Dotel? Mahay and Tex replace Ascanio and Salty, but what about Dotel? Who gets the axe in the pen? “I have no confidence” Yates, perhaps? (Still can’t believe he said that). And, will Pena be brought back up?

By David

July 30, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this

For those with an erection for Harrison…he’s no longer part of the Tex deal due to health concerns, as reported earlier.

Bill Shanks as well as DOB have both stated that Harrison WILL be included in the deal as long as his arm checks out. He’s the presumed player to be named later. He’s also already passed the physical and gotten a positive MRI result. Texas is simply doing their due diligence in guaranteeing his arm is structurally sound. There was a trade last year involving Washington and the Reds wherein a damaged goods pitcher was exchanged. They are simply making sure to avoid a similar fate.

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

Where has Braveheart been today…and the Grinch as well. Did BH get banned for his “endowment” shtick? I hope not, ‘cause I thought it was funny as hell. Bye, in the case I am banned for saying so.

By Ron

July 30, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

KC Why would the gosh awful Reds want a 32 year old SS? But I agree with you about the deal involving JoJo, Devine, Thorman, Ledezma for Arroyo!!! And if it took a little bit more then do it!!! That would be a great trade!!! I still cant believe that SO many want us to give away Davies for a rental!!! I know BC does not trust him, but BC did not trust McBride either!!! At least McBride DID have options left!!! So does Davies, I think he will pitch good in AAA for the rest of the year!!! Davies was NOT ready to be in the Majors THIS year!!! The ONLY reason he was in the Majors is because Cormier was injured!!! Lets dont give up a 23 year old for a rental bullpen arm!!!

By ssiscribe

July 30, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Wow … what a day for Braves Nation!

It looks more and more like Dotel for Davies is a done deal. According to Rosenthal, an industry source said once the Teixeira deal is officially stamped and sealed, then the Dotel for Davies deal also will be done.

Again, wow … I just told my wife we have went from one of several teams that could win an NL playoff spot into an honest-to-goodness World Series champion contender.

Wow. Buckle up, guys and gals. Gonna be a fun three months.

And look at all the posts today. A watershed day for ye ol blog and the denizens of the Braves/MIB Blogsphere, indeed.

Not to mention a big day for the reason we’re all here: the baseball team that now has a much better shot of doing what it did 12 long autumns ago:

Win the World Series.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By KC

July 30, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

GlassHalfFull: Dotel’s player option could be voided, but if he pitches well (assuming he is on his way to ATL) and he exercise the option… I don’t think the Braves will void it. Mike Gonzalez was the planned closer for opening day next year, but obviously they’ll have to find plan B, and I don’t think it’ll be Wickman again.

By rocketman

July 30, 2007 7:33 PM | Link to this

This deal is not a good deal if it means we start 2008 without AJ in CF, Texeira negotiating, Salty gone along with 3 top prospects. Texeira deal will not improve Braves pitching rotation. Haven’t the Yankees and the Tigers of 2007 proved that a great offense means little more than a high payroll and inflated batting stats off of the 3-5 starters around the league? Great pitching wins…

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 30, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

It’s always sad to see go players go to another team but you can’t keep them all. It will be a great opportunity for some of these kids to play without a roadblock.

As for Tex’s attitude, if you play for a bad organization you have a tendency to get a bit down. I’ll bet his attitude perks up a lot once he is in a real pennant chase.

By Spyglass

July 30, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this

Big Braves fan, bigger Dawgs fan. That being said, great trade.

By DonCoburleone

July 30, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this

“The farm system is depleted now!”

People who say this are so narrow minded and simple… We have our farm system in the major leagues RIGHT NOW. Remember Jeff Francoeur? Brian McCann? Kelly Johnson? Chuck James? Yunel Escobar? These are the “core” farm system players that Scheurholz has elected to keep - meaning everyone else is up for grabs except for a few (I think Brandon Jones is the one untouchable minor league prospect). From everything I’ve read we had a nice draft this year and probably will next year too. With the amount of big time FA’s we will be losing this offseason (Andruw, Wickman, Dotel) we should have tons of “sandwich” and conditional 1st & 2nd round draft picks in 2008. Everyone needs to quit worrying… By the time we need to replace guys like Chipper (2011), Renteria (2009), Smoltz (2010) and even Mark Teixera (2009) we will have new prospects available to take over while our young “core” of McCann, Francoeur, KJ, Escobar, and Chuck James become the veteran leaders. SO QUIT WHINING GUYS, BE HAPPY!

By KC

July 30, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

The Arroyo reports excite me, but I don’t want to get my hopes up. I’ll feel better when other outlets start to report such talks. Nothing against Tim Brown at Yahoo… but who the hell is he?

By rocketman

July 30, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

Lets see: Adam Laroche, Salty, and 3 top prospects for a FIRST BASEMEN? I forgot, we get 2 great southpaws. Wonder how long before we “Mahay” becomes “MaWHO”.

Stupid trade. Good to get Texeira but I would not have given up so much without getting the pitcher you wanted.

By rocketman

July 30, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

Lets see: Adam Laroche, Salty, and 3 top prospects for a FIRST BASEMEN? I forgot, we get 2 great southpaws. Wonder how long before “Mahay” becomes “MaWHO”.

Stupid trade. Good to get Texeira but I would not have given up so much without getting the pitcher you wanted.

By KC

July 30, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this

GlassHalfFull: Excellent question. If the Braves try to swing a deal for Arroyo, it’s easy to picture Yates, Paronto, or Villarreal going the other way in any such deal.

If the Braves have to clear someone out just for the sake of making room… I’d guess Paronto would be the odd man out.

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

And where is Savannah Guy? Did he wear his fingers out yesterday with his “Fly on the Wall” shtick? I hope not! It was, as usual, very witty and well-written, although, IMO, a “little” over done. But, that’s just me.

Come back Savannah Guy, we need you and your parody.

               Your friend,

               Paladin

By Ron

July 30, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

Mackey Sasser I am serious when I said that about Davies!!! In my view it is too much to give up a 23 year old with HIS potential for a rental reliever!!! And IF we can resign Tex then that is a good deal for us, OR if we can Win the World Series!!! But I dont think we will be able to resign him!!! I hope I am wrong though!!!

By KC

July 30, 2007 7:47 PM | Link to this

Ron: They probably wouldn’t want Renteria. I just threw it out there as an afterthought. Renteria is a perfect player for a team that wants to make a post-season run. He’s a great fit right where he is. I wouldn’t trade him except for a quality starter, but no, he probably wouldn’t be involved in an Arroyo trade.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 30, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this

FROM Rosenthal: “The Rangers had been split on whether they wanted Harrison, in part because he recently experienced shoulder trouble.

However, Harrison underwent an MRI that revealed no damage, and the Rangers evidently are willing to take him despite their concerns.”

My bad. SI reported that Harrison had been removed.

KC

I agree. The salary difference between Wickman and Dotel in 2008 would be a wash and Dotel is 5-6 years younger than Wick-daddy.

As for next season, I think the closer role will be between Dotel and Soriano until Gonzo is ready.

By Jman

July 30, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this

All of you idiots who are dogging on the Braves and JS for this trade are the same ones who would rail on him if he hadnt made a deal at all. We have plenty of pitching prospects. The Catcher and SS we traded are blocked by better, more productive YOUNG MAJOR LEAGUERS!!! Get over it and shutup!

By Carolina Lady

July 30, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

Where is DOB, you ask?

Well, he’s just completed a long multi-city trek, just got in early this morning. Continued to post info and updates through most of the day. Probably had a double handful of accumulated mail, etc to go through, clothes to cleaners and other chores to catch up on, plus continuing to work phones, etc.

At this point, I sincerely hope he is kicked back, favorite beverage in hand, spending some quality time with JR and Coltrane.

By beki

July 30, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

I’m gonna defer to those who know more about trading/lineup placements than I know;however, I do wish Salty the best for I know it was hard to sit on the bench waiting for a trade to happen and not even participate in a game. In yesterday’s game, the camera zoomed in on Frenchy sitting next to him and laughing.Salty barely expressed emotion,rose,and left for another seat. God bless you Salty for making my heart race while you were here!

By DirtyDawg

July 30, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

Face it, JS blinked. Texas got everything that they wanted and we ended up giving too much and getting too little. Schuerholz scares the hell out of me. He’s ‘short’ - as in not much time left to put an exclamation point on his career - which makes him vulnerable to a better poker player. Looks as if the Dallas people knew when to hold-em. Just what other pitching prospect they’ll ‘throw in’…bet it’s somebody good and poised to get better.

I’ve said it before - and LT kind of said it above - Salty’s a better catcher than McCann…better athlete, better arm, runs better, stronger, faster, with a huge up-side offensively as a power, switch-hitter. Of course they couldn’t have gotten rid of McCann now (it’d be like clubbing a baby seal around here), but putting him (Jarrod) at first and letting him go at it would have been the better move. Don’t care how this turns out, we blinked first and it will tell.

By Paladin

July 30, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

I’m going to bed. Take your shots. I’ll read them in the morning. Goodnight.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 30, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

Looking at the stats, Yates is quite good against righties (.200), but the lefties have lit him up (.323). His K/BB ratio is 2:1 (44:22).

Paronto, however, has a better ERA, but he’s walked 19 and struck out 14. YIKES! Both lefties and righties are hitting near .300 against him.

Como se dice, “designated for assignment” en espanol?

By KC

July 30, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

For those of you that feel JS traded away too much of the future…

There’s a very simple reason why the Braves parted with guys like Salty and Elvis… they don’t need them. If McCann and Escobar didn’t figure prominently into the Braves future, this deal probably doesn’t happen. Salty’s value is far greater as a catcher than as a converted first-baseman. Elvis may or may not hit at the major league level, but it’s irrelevant because KJ and Escobar are the future of Atlanta’s middle infield.

This deal made a lot of sense on every level.

By Braves20

July 30, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

Suddenly as I realize I will never have to see that sorry a** Thorman swing a bat as a Brave again, this trade is looking better.

By Charlie in Miami

July 30, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

TREMENDOUS DEAL FOR THE BRAVES~!!

NOW WE NEED A (REAL) RELIEF PITCHER!

By Tom

July 30, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

Dave O’B is doing the Cubs - Phils game right now. Nice hair…………

By armleg

July 30, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

Looks to me like another Wainright deal.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 30, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

My Gawd some of you folks are idiots. Do you really think you can get a quality player for green stamps?

The proof will be in September. We will judge if it was a good deal or not then.

By TexasBrave

July 30, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

Man I was just trying to figure out the active roster and I am having difficulties. Tex replaces Salty, Mahey replaces Ascanio thats fairly easy. But since Salty is gone you figure to bring up Bryan P. and do you release Thorman or Woodward, perhaps Thorman is included with the Arroyo trade? One way or another Thorman has to be the odd man out.

An even bigger condrum is who do you get rid of bringing in Dotel. Does anyone know if Paronto/Moylan or Yates have options left. I think Moylan does but he has been pretty good as of late and eventhough Tyler has struggled lately I can’t see that continuing. So perhaps Paronto is the odd man out.

What say you DOB and the rest of the Braves Nation?

By Chase

July 30, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

IDIOTS…IDIOTS…IDIOTS

The BRAVES DID NOT TRADE AWAY THE FUTURE

Salty and Andrus ARE BLOCKED by YOUNG Players who are signed and one of Which is a 2 time all-star

You CAN”T KEEP AND PLAY EVERYONE

GOOD GOD you people who keep saying this are SOOOOOOO UNINFORMED and ILLOGICAL!!!!!!!!!

By KC

July 30, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

DirtyDawg

In what respect is Salty “stronger” than McCann. He does, as you pointed out, have a better arm than McCann… but have you been watching lately? It’s not like McCann has no arm. He’s been gunning down runners at a pretty nice clip.

McCann still does better glovework, and few people have McCann’s knack for working with a pitching staff and calling a great game.

Offensively, McCann is one of the best young hitters in the game. He was hurt early this year, so it hasn’t shown this year until recently, but there’s no way to know if Salty will ever be the hitter that McCann’s already proven to be.

I love Salty. I hated to see him go. The fact remains that McCann, when healthy, is the best overall catcher in the game. Maybe Salty will become that someday. Maybe he won’t. But we’ve already got it, and it would be asinine to let it go.

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

robdawg06 you better think again. The Phillies aren’t closing in, they are a game ahead of us. We are 4.5 back and Philly is 3.5.

KC Yes, for a quality starter…but there aren’t any starters available that I would trade Renteria for.

By Efrim

July 30, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Here are the numbers on the right hander:

2007:

101 IP 73 Hits 11 HR 42 BB 123 K’s 3.74 BB/9 10.61 K/9 2.76 ERA

2006:

52 IP 42 Hits 2 HR 9 BB 56 K’s 2.09 ERA

Solid stats. Projection and results.

The also have 5 lefties at Danville worth keeping an eye on: Cole Rohrbough, Steve Evarts, Jeff Locke, Chad Rodgers, and Jose Ortegano.

By LT

July 30, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this

Lillibridge or Davies for Dotel is idiotic. Totally idiotic.

Arroyo is unnecessary as well.

JS needs some sleep!

By bravesfan

July 30, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

Does anybody know when this deal will be finalized for Tex?

By A-ville Ranger

July 30, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

I’m reading these JS slams and wondering where these monday evening GMs were before the trade.I was all for this and judging by the post prior to the deal so were most all of you too.There’s no way to qualify this thing till we see how the prospects turn out,if we make the post season this year and (or)next,etc.Get real though folks where were the naysayers.doomsdayers and p** sprayers before ?

By ck

July 30, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

do the names sizemore, harris and kacmir for colon ring a bell? Doesn’t matter ….i think the btraves did what they needed to win this season…especially if they get more pitching.

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

HEY MORONS!!! THIS JUST IN, SALTALAMACCHIA CAN PLAY 1ST BASE JUST AS WELL AS ANY OF THEIR OTHER OPTIONS INCLUDING TEIXEIRA!!!!!

By Bob

July 30, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

Carolina Lady,

Great post as usual. But I do suspect DOB is probably working on adrenelin right now. He just posted short update on the Dotel trade possibility. I am sure he is as busy as can be trying to keep up with our GM right now.

By Salty

July 30, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this

CL

Sounds like a good evening for DO’B…and a script worth a lot of us following. I am thirsty…nice sunset happening. Think I’ll grab the ‘Mrs’ and retire to the deck for a while! Cheers!

By TK

July 30, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

My only problem with the trade is when the Braves added a 4th player we should have recieved CJ Wilson. This trade will be a great trade for the Braves if they can sign Teixeira to a long term contract. As for CF next year for the Braves how about FA Mike Cameron for 2 years (until the kid in A ball…Jordan ?…is ready…suppose to be great in CF now) to bat 8th and get great D. He is a GA native.

By Colin

July 30, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

KC

Your right this is a sign Liberty Media wants to win as much as the players and fans

By Bob

July 30, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

Casey Hudson,

I really like Salty and think he has a great chance to become an outstanding player. But your remark that Salty can play 1st base as “well as any of their options including Teixeira” IS MORONIC!!

By Savannah Guy

July 30, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

Yes Paladin, I’m here. Been here a few hours. Catching up on today’s (last blog and this one). WOW! This reminds me of the McGriff trade in so many ways (of course I don’t think we knew of blogging in those days). And the hits just keep on coming. Thanks P, but no parody today or tomorrow. Reality is way too exciting for that and a lot more interesting. Hey, I’m sure the sleuth reporter Fly is right there in the thick of it with JS. I’m sure I’ll hear back from him this week.

Man…my eyes are crossed from reading all this…and from so many. Good to see, although the trolls, whackos and naysayers are out in numbers. So, getting good, insightful posts through the crystal ball holders and the anti-trade folks has been like picking the gnat poop out of the pepper today. Lot’s of good stuff from Jason and Salty and…too many to mention.

Anyhoo, speaking of pepper, Lew has been playing “pepper ball” all afternoon and doing quite well…nailed it with multiple posts to many (even including trolls, even turnips (he has a good, forgiving heart for sure). Then there’s ssiscribe 2:15, which was stellar.

Last but certainly not least, the man hizzone self, DOB. What a week. He called it way ahead and put his ideas out there, on a limb in print. Nice job. Spectacular job. Rest. Drink. Eat. Enjoy the success of a good scoop.

Exciting times to be a Braves fan. GO JS GO BRAVOS!

By Carolina Lady

July 30, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

Hi, Bob! thanks! Wouldn’t you just know he’s still going at it! I’m concerned about burn-out. THAT would be a true disaster!

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

Why don’t you idiots see what is happening here? It has been happening for the last decade. Schuerholz has done this every year he has been here. He brings in 1 good player for 3 top prospects. The player we get is ALWAYS IN THE LAST YEAR OF HIS CONTRACT. We get the player for 1/2 season and he is gone. Renteria’s contract will be up after 2008. He WILL BE GONE after that. Who will play shortstop then? Do you think Schuerholz won’t trade Escobar between now and then? DREAM ON!

By NCBravesFan

July 30, 2007 8:42 PM | Link to this

A great day for the Braves and their fans. Having the Salty/Franco platoon at first was most likely a ticket to third or fourth place this year. Better yet, getting Tex gives the Braves flexibility heading into the offseason (in other words, losing Andruw won’t be as big a blow should it come to that).

Sounds like more is in the works on the pitching side of the house.

I doubt Renteria gets traded, unless the Braves get their socks knocked off by an offer of a starting pitcher who would be available for a few years.

Short of that, the Bravos are better off in my opinion keeping the veteran at short and seeing how far they can get this year. They can look at trade possibilities after the season ends.

By bravesfan

July 30, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

O man it looks like the Phillies might have lost 2 outfielders in tonights game

By Colin

July 30, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Phillies are falling like fly’s tonight, Victorino hurt and Bourn might be. Also does anyone know for sure the Dotel deal is done or close.

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

BOB YOU’RE THE MORON! I DOUBT YOU HAVE EVER EVEN WATCHED SALTY PLAY 1ST!!! SHUT UP IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

I just read on Insider that the Dotel-Davies trade is a done deal. The only thing they are waiting on is to see if Matt Harrison passes his physical. If not Davies is the player named later in the Tex deal. If Harrison passes, then we will get Dotel for Davies. It says some teams are upset b/c they didn’t know the price of a top position player was dropped by KC. Some teams would have offered something a little better than Davies if they knew KC would take something other than what they were asking.

By DirtyDawg

July 30, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

The man above - Casey Hudson - said it. We could have gotten the same production from Salty at first as we’re gonna get from Tex-era (by the way, I won’t charge anything for that media label). Shoot, the Texans are probably gonna use him at first, at first, and whataya bet he’ll match the stats of the guy we got.

And I really do hate to burst your bubble KC, but anybody that knows anything about catching knows that Salty is, and will be, better than McCann. He just is. He moves better behind the plate, he blocks bad pitches better, he doesn’t ‘pancake’ the ball as McCann does on virtually every pitch in the dirt…Salty’s a presence…he’s a man…he’s strong enough that he won’t get hurt every time he gets hit or hits himself…he will be an all-star for years to come. Yeah, you have to give up stuff to get stuff, and people that ought to know, JS, our scouts, Bobby Cox, et. al., probably do, but my guess is that they needed to make a splash in order to win over the writers and the fans that don’t really know any better.

By Steve from OH

July 30, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this

Salty=Blocked

Elvis=Blocked (Edgar, Lillibridge, and Yunel)

Single A/AA pitching…its all ok.

Does anyone realize that our rotation next year will be Smoltz, Huddy, Hampton, James and a 5? Do we need AA prospects for next year? Of course not. For 09, we’ll have the loot to go out and get someone, and I’ll bet Hampton could be had pretty cheaply, too. JoJo should be fully ready by then, too. We’ll be fine from this trade. I am a bit leary of giving up Davies for Dotel, as he is our SP insurance, but it’ll help us more in the long run than giving up Lillibridge.

By Elements

July 30, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

Is this just a rumor or is it a done deal?

Braves send Escobar and Jo Jo to the Reds for Arroyo? I hope it’s a rumor.

By bravesfan

July 30, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

**I hope this doesn’t make it where we won’t be able to get Dotel and Arroyo. ATLANTA — What was going to be a celebratory Monday afternoon for Braves general manager John Schuerholz turned into a rather frustrating one. But sometime Tuesday, Schuerholz will likely get to officially enjoy the significant acquisition of Mark Teixeira. If everything had gone according to plan on Monday afternoon, the Braves were going to announce that they’d acquired Teixeira and left-handed reliever Ron Mahay from the Rangers in exchange for Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz and a player to be named later.

But because the Rangers won’t be able to make all of their necessary medical reviews until Tuesday, Schuerholz was forced to halt all of his other trade discussions and wait another day before enjoying the fact that he’d landed the best available player on this year’s trade market and at the same time started fortifying his bullpen.

The Rangers have been given a list of five names to choose from for the player to be named later. On that list is Matt Harrison, a top pitching prospect who felt some left shoulder soreness during Tuesday’s start for Double-A Mississippi. The 22-year-old southpaw was evaluated by Braves doctors in Atlanta on Monday.

If the Rangers approve of Harrison’s health, he’ll likely be the player included in this mega-deal. It’s one that provides immediate dividends for the Braves and gives the Rangers plenty of hope for the future.

By flange1

July 30, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

Casey,

Salty was a fairly good catcher, but he was not a good or even fair 1B. It’s not his fault really he never had the training.

Get over it. JS made a great trade for today and tomorrow. You will be singing a different song when the Braves winn the NL Pennant……

By Lew

July 30, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this

For all who think we just sold our whole farm and have no one left, check these guys out. Catchers, Brayan Pena, Ray Serrano, Phillip Brittan. 1B-Kala Ka’aihue, Tyler Flowers. 2B Prado, Diory Hernandez, J.C. Holt, Chase Fontane, Travis Jones. SS-Lillibridge, Brandon Hicks. OF-Blanco, Brandon Jones, Ernesto Mejia. These are just from A, AA and AAA. Efrim already covered low A and rookie league. This doesn’t include the pitchers, who Efrim also covered. Good Lord, y’all. We’re still 2-3 deep at almost every position, AFTER picking up Texiera, Mahay and Dotel. What more do you want? This farm system is deep. Check out the stats of all those kids. All are hitting at least .275 (most over .300), with OBP of .350 or better. Yeah, right. We’ve got no one left, do we.

By Rudy

July 30, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this

Elvis might be back in the building. Arroyo is apparently a singing sensation. A sure hit on team flights and a contender for pregame national anthem!

Arroyo is NOT a “spring chicken.” Thirty years old. He might not be able to help our pitching OR become a teenage singing idol in Atlanta, plus he has a bad mullet. Three strikes- you’re out!

By Chris

July 30, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this

WHY PUT SALTY AT FIRST?

Yay, a switch-hitting 1B with power, who we would have hoped would’ve developed into a good fielder.

What did we get in return? A 27-year-old, switch-hitting 1B with power and 2 Gold Gloves!

Come on, people! Those who wanted to keep Salty and have him play 1st…How is Teixeira not better at 1B than Salty?

By Bob

July 30, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

Casey Hudson,

Dude you are clueless. You make a statement that Salty can play first base as well as Tex and you think I am a moron????? That is so stupid that even the most fanatic Salty supporter must cringe. And for your remarks that JS has given up 3 prospects for every player he has brought in here every year he has been here is beyond stupid. It is simply untrue…call it a lie, call it misinformed, call it anything you want, but you are dumber than dirt if you believe that. But if you do, why don’t you start naming them? I’ll give you a hint…Jason Schmidt, Jermaine Dye, and Maybe, Maybe Adam Wainwright. Who else?

By Chase

July 30, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

CASEY HUDSON You Sir, are a MORON!

SALTY is a cathcer, no matter what people want him to be! Also TEX is a GOLD GLOVER!!!!!!!!!!!

I would also be willing to trade JO-JO REYES for Bronson Arryo

ARROYO is signed through 2010 at under 10 Mil a year!!! That is a good deal!

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

For all of you imbeciles, a major league team must have 2 catchers.

From the Merriam Webster Dictionary:

“Main Entry: im·be·cile Pronunciation: ‘im-b&-s&l, -“sil Function: noun Etymology: French imbécile, noun, from adjective, weak, weak-minded, from Latin imbecillus 1 usually offensive : a person affected with moderate mental retardation 2 : FOOL, IDIOT “

By Blake

July 30, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Now that is a dumb post dawg. I guess you know alot about catching then. I guess you also talked to our pitching staff and they told you Salty was better. Thanks for the inside scoop man. I am glad that we have a true scout on the blog. Please share some more pearls of wisdom

By Chase

July 30, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

bravesfan

It is not the Rangers who wanted the medical reviews b/c Harrison is out of the Deal.

All the stuff you are “reporting” is old!

FSN is reporting that the deal is completed and “stamped” after the Braves were satisfied with TEX’s medical review (b/c of his earlier quad injury)

By JB

July 30, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

Finally, a “Real” First Baseman! Sign him long term!!

By Lew

July 30, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

Casey Hudson-I HAVE watched Salty play 1B-every game he played there this year. Now I realize he was learning on the fly, but defensively he was the least favorable option we had and Texiera is a Gold Glover. I won’t call you moronic, but you’re plain wrong on this one, Dude. As far as Edgar-He’s under contract through 09 with a club option for that year. If the option is declined, then the Red Sox have to pay his buyout. As far as who will play SS when he leaves-How about Escobar, Lillibridge or Brandon Hicks? Dude, I’m not real sure what’s crawled up your colo-rectal tract today, but you really need a laxative. They make them in chocolate, you know?

By Bob

July 30, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this

For a while I thought Casey Hudson was Mets Drool in disguise, but on second thought even the Drooler ain’t this dumb. Speaking of imbiciles.

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

Who listened to Shanks’ podcast that mentioned Arroyo? What did he say??

Thanks,

Jason

By A-ville Ranger

July 30, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

Come on guys saying Salty would give as much as Tex is guessing at best.Teixeira has proven he can play at an all star level,Salty is a prospect.I’m guessing for every can’t miss that exceeds expectations three fall short.A bird in hand and all that.I don’t like the Dotel thing at all,JS keeps bringing these reclamation projects in and I can’t think of one that’s worked out since Leo left.The last time Dodel was worth a damn was 03 in Houston.Not only does he have a consistently high era he hasn’t played enough innings to even qualify as filler in years.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

Casey-Maybe I will call you a moron. No back up catcher? What about Brayan Pena, currently hitting .315 at AAA Richmond do you not understand? He’s a good catcher, can play first, third and the outfield as well. After him we have Ray Serrano, also hitting .300 at AA. Dude, maybe you better use your search engine and check things out before you open your cyber mouth. You’ll save shoe leather in your teeth that way.

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Lew are you a HOMO? Why are you worried about what’s in my a* queer?

By BossLady

July 30, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Where is it that DOB posted on the blog?

By Salty

July 30, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

FairWeatherBraveFanHater Interesting commentary: It says some teams are upset b/c they didn’t know the price of a top position player was dropped by KC. Some teams would have offered something a little better than Davies if they knew KC would take something other than what they were asking.

Well…why didn’t they…JS did!?! Funny!

By BossLady

July 30, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Where is it that DOB posted on the blog?

By Colin

July 30, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this

Dotel To Atlanta Deal Not Complete?

UPDATE: Word via the Kansas City Star is that the Royals will get Kyle Davies in the deal. The Teixeira trade needs to be finalized first though. Nice job by Dayton Moore. Apparently he preferred Davies over Wladimir Balentien.

UPDATE 2: Based on this MLB.com report and reports from Sports Radio 810, the deal is not complete and Davies for Dotel was simply an offer. Dotel was apparently seen shagging flies in batting practice today.

Interesting development via Ken Rosenthal: the Braves are close to a deal for Royals’ closer Octavio Dotel. They apparently have made a better offer than finalists Cleveland and Los Angeles.

By bravesfan

July 30, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

Chase I was just going by what was posted on atlantabraves.com. This is what is says Atlanta agreed to a deal to land slugger Mark Teixeira and lefty Ron Mahay from Texas on Monday, but will have to wait until Tuesday for it to be finalized, pending physicals. But if that is what you heard on FSN ok I believe you. Also on mlbtraderumors.com UPDATE 2: Based on this MLB.com report and reports from Sports Radio 810, the deal is not complete and Davies for Dotel was simply an offer. Dotel was apparently seen shagging flies in batting practice today.

By Bob

July 30, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

BossLady,

No he posted in the AJC about an hour and a half ago with the latest on the Dotel issue. I don’t believe he has posted on the blog, but I am sure he is plenty busy.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

Casey-No, if the truth be known, I’m a flaming Heterosexual. Sorry, I’m not looking for a date-you’ll have to go elsewhere, but I looked up imbecile in the dictionary and your picture was there. God, you’re one ugly Dude.

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

**HEY BOB, AT LEAST I CAN SPELL YOU ILLITERATE CRETIN!!!

I MEAN, DAMN, I EVEN POSTED THE DEFINITION AND EVERYTHING!!!

HERE, I WILL SPELL IT AGAIN:

I-M-B-E-C-I-L-E

By Lucas...

July 30, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

You know, there are so many people thinking that salty is the next great catcher. There is one HUGE difference between salty and McCann. Prospects are so hard to figure out that there is no sure thing. McCann has proven himself. Plain and simple. That should be enough.

It’s statements like these that make braves fan look like idiots: “anybody that knows anything about catching knows that Salty is, and will be, better than McCann” So I assume that you know something about baseball and JS and Bobby know nothing. All the writers in the game that think otherwise know nothing compared to you. The players that love the guy and want him on thier team know nothing… Anyone that knows anything about baseball would realize that when you are trying to sacrifice bunt and the pitch hits you in the hand, it shouldn’t hurt. Especially when you get hit on the same hand with a backswing. It’s just common sense that a catcher shouldn’t get hurt when that happens…. And Salty has never gotten hurt by the way. Never. Just check…. What a joke. Buy some baseball books and read up on the subject before you take up space on the board.

By S T I N K Y

July 30, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

Teixeira for a bunch of sniveling, snot-nosed kids? Somebody in Texas is wearing a XXXL polartec fleece right about now.

By brandon

July 30, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

I agree w/a lot of people that this trade is good, mainly if they can get him signed. It’s also good b/c one, Salty is good but McCann is a proven all-star and is here to stay. Two, Andrus does have a lot of promise, but Renteria is signed through next season, and Escobar is his replacement, and he’s ready now. Those two prospects weren’t that big a deal, I don’t think. Giving up Mat Harrison and another pitching prospect is the kicker, but I believe that Scheurholz knows what he’s doing and wouldn’t give up pitching if he didn’t have more waiting in the wings. If they can’t extend Tex, however, I believe the Rangers may get the last laugh.

By JJMB

July 30, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

I think, in hindsight, they should not have tendered that contract to McCann. They should have stayed with their convention, and not give players a large contract while they’re still playing early in their careers.

Turns out, Saltalamacchia was probably the better fielder and hitter. But, that’s hindsight, and it’s time to move on.

It’s time to plain and simple go for it. Go for the second WS championship. Too bad Cox played the many post seasons like they weren’t urgent. This year, and maybe the next are urgent. After that will come a long period of mediocrity. This is the last chance for Cox, Chipper, Smoltz, and Schuerholz.

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

Do any of you j******* ever watch a Braves game?

By Lucas...

July 30, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

“Lew are you a HOMO? Why are you worried about what’s in my a* queer?”

Casey- How old are we?

By Lew

July 30, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this

Hey, Let’s play Name That Tune. We can get Casey’s @$$ banned in four posts. Dude, why you worried about anyone’s sexual orientation? Haven’t had a date for too long? No, you’re not the Drooling Fool, but you DO sound suspiciously like NO Brain Zone. I asked what crawled up your anal cavity because since you’ve been around tonight, things smell awfully like an open cesspool. Why don’t you shut your mouth. Maybe it will lessen the stench.

By JasonInMaine

July 30, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

Casey,

Keep your inflammatory remarks to yourself, and not that he needs my help…But DO NOT mess with Lew…

Regards,

Jason

By Salty

July 30, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

Chase

Your passion and intensity is great…looks like you’ve been at it hard all day. Do yourself a favor, though…it’s time to go decaf! :-)

There’s plenty blogging to be done tomorrow…pace yourself!

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

SALTY

I’m not mad!!

It might work to our favor having Moore there for a few years.

By BossLady

July 30, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

Thanks Bob, I just wanted to hear DOB’s take on everything. ESPN and Fox are not Braves friendly seeing that we beat up on them when they were playing.

By Efrim

July 30, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

Pitchers to watch in the minors:

Danville: LHP Cole Rohrbough, LHP Jeff Locke, LHP Steve Evarts, LHP Chad Rodgers, LHP Jose Ortegano

Rome: RHP Jamie Richmond, RHP Kyle Cofield

Myrtle Beach: RHP Jairo Cuevas, RHP Thomas Hanson, RHP Deute Heath, LHP Jonathon Venters, RHP Kris Medlen

Mississippi: RHP James Parr, RHP Sung Ki Jung

Richmond: LHP Dan Smith

The guys to really look out for are basically everyone at Danville. When you get a chance take a look at some of these kids numbers. Scary K to BB ratio’s. All of them are tall left handers with power arms. These kids don’t top out in the high 80’s. Low to Mid nineties with good offspeed stuff. Especially Rohrbough. Braves do so well with Draft and follows. Hanson is a beast. I don’t worry about trading any of the prospects we gave up today. I could of done without giving up Feliz, but all he has right now is a fastball. He hasn’t developed anything else. Hasn’t had a full year of pro ball yet. Nothing to go crazy about. Braves are fine.

Brandon Jones, Brent Lillibridge, Kala Kaaihue and Jordan Schafer are studs. Eric Campbell and Van Pope have sturggled this year, but the talent is there.

Braves made the right move here. I can’t imagine them giving up Hanson in a possible Arroyo trade. Just can’t see it. I think JS made these trades because he knows what he has coming from Danvile, Rome and Myrtle Beach. He isn’t worried about the farm, it will be fine.

By FairWeatherBraveFanHater

July 30, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

what the *ell are you guys talking about? Are you here for sports or acting like little brat kids!

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

I hope Texas doesn’t screw around anymore. This deal needs to be finalized so that Teixera will be in the lineup tomorrow and tso that JS is able to do his job as a GM and make some more deals. I would think that tool Bud Selig would tell the Rangers to get on the ball and finalize this.

By Bob

July 30, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

Guys,

There has been a lot of passionate discussion today and that is great. Some think this trade was a mistake and they post good reasons for their belief. Others think it was the right move and they also state their reasons for believing it was. I agree with the latter but can fully understand why others are concerned about the trade.

Unfortunately someone has come on the site and decided to call everyone who disagrees with him/her/it an imbecile or a moron or a cretin. Too bad his arguments have no substance.

By ck

July 30, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

according to yahoo

Report: Braves get Dotel By Tim Brown

Monday, Jul 30, 2007 7:40 pm EDT The Atlanta Braves have acquired Octavio Dotel from the Kansas City Royals for starter Kyle Davies, according to the Kansas City Star.

It will be interesting to see if Dotel goes straight to the ninth inning, or if the job is still Bob Wickman’s to lose. Some of the large-market teams believed Dotel would be more comfortable – and therefore more effective – in a smaller city, such as Kansas City. Or Atlanta.

By Scoff

July 30, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

Casey Hudson- Have you ever heard of Brayan Pena? Just in case you haven’t, he is a catcher at AAA Richmond that is more than qualified to be a back-up catcher at the major league level. And to say Salty is a better first baseman and hitter than Tex? You, my friend, are the imbecile/moron/idiot/dumbass.

By Carolina Lady

July 30, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

Hey, Salty! How was the sunset?

Speaking of posting: it has dropped off a little these last couple of hours, but from roughly 1:30 this afternoon through about 7:30 this evening, the posts were being made at the rate of about 100 per hour. (600+ posts divided by hours = approx 100 per hour) Mercy! And some folks actually knew what they were talking about! :-)))

By Lew

July 30, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

Casey- I have missed exactly three Braves games in the last four years. So far this year, I’ve missed one-even had tickets when they played in Fenway and all together I’ve watched over 185 games, MLB wide. I guess that beats the three sandlot games you’ve seen and the two Little League games they let you play in when you were twelve. From most of your comments tonight, you’re much more interested in vocabulary definitions (yes, It’s a good thing you can read-must be a Gator fan, you’re so intelligent) and making poor put downs than in cutting edge baseball analysis. What a waste.

By mike

July 30, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

another top prospect(s) walks for a rent a player. Texiera isn’t worth losing Salty and Elvis if he can’t be resigned.

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this

Hey Bob you first used the word moronic. You brought up the subject of what’s in my anus. You started the name calling. Your the one who should be banned.

By ouknow

July 30, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

People who think trading prospects is bad are stupid… same as people who think trading unproven 144 at bat players is bad are stupid… look at wilson betemit and andy marte they are doing terrible. Marte we got renteria… betemit we didn’t get anyone helpful to us rightr now cause aybar got into drugs but its not like betemit is doing good at all right now anyway.

By BravesDave

July 30, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

**NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New York man has been charged with beating his mother to death with a barbell after losing his temper while watching a baseball game on television.

Michael Anthony, 25, was watching the New York Mets lose a game on Saturday from his home in the borough of Queens when he began furiously banging on the walls, Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said in a statement on Monday.

His father Fred Fischman shouted at him to stop, but Anthony punched him in the face and threw him to the ground, according to the criminal charges.

When Anthony’s mother, Maria Fischman, 61, tried to intervene, prosecutors said he stabbed her once in the head with a knife before chasing her into a bedroom where he struck her several times with the 20 pound (9 kilogram) barbell.

“It is difficult to imagine a crime more heinous than that of a son viciously attacking his parents and, in the process, fatally beating his mother to death,” Brown said.

Anthony has been remanded in custody and faces a maximum of life in prison if convicted.**

By ck

July 30, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

link to article aboutnthe Dotel trade

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlbexperts/post/Report-Braves-get-Dotel;ylt=AmPODUROKraiyAPYbZGFZMCFCLcF?urn=mlb,40796

By Greg in TN

July 30, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this

Evening folks…

Looks like JS is done shopping for the moment as soon as the Rangers medical staff completes all of the necessary forms, crosses all the t’s and dots all the i’s.

The Dotel rumblings are interesting, and if we do end up with him, seems to me like a very tired bullpen gets a second shot in the arm, pardon the pun.

Reading through the posts today, doesn’t seem like there’s very much in terms of apathy regarding the trade. Denizens are either very much in favor or very much against the trade. For me, it’s all about the context, and looking at this team for the past few weeks, it was clear that if we wanted any chance to gain ground and turn this thing around, we were going to have to make some changes.

I read where some folks were clamoring for having either Gagne or Wilson, however realistically, Daniels would not have given them up along with Teixeira, not to us, not if you have to face Tom Hicks and the Rangers fans. That’s reality gang. We need a left handed relief pitcher, and we would have had to pony up a lot more than what we did for either of those guys.

Looking at Mahay’s numbers, he’s pitched well this year. Nice ERA at 2.77 and a good WHIP at 1.385, so personally, I think we’re set as far as a southpaw arm coming out of the pen.

Lots of folks still Bar-B-Queing JS on the Drew for Wainwright trade, however looking at Wainwright’s numbers this year (ERA is 4.45 and WHIP is 1.508), they lag behind four in our rotation right now (Hudson is 3.09/1.141, Smoltz is 2.84/1.208, James is 3.55/1.431 and Carlyle is 4.25/1.218).

To me, it’s not imperative to resign Teixeira after 2008 for this trade to be a successful one.

One last thought, something Braveheart and a few others noted in the earlier blog. Let’s make sure the sterno cans are secure in the suites tomorrow night folks. Everything else can be just like it was the night of July 20, 1993, but I’d just as soon let the fine folks at the Atlanta Fire Department do their jobs elsewhere tomorrow night.

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this

**THIS IS FOR ALL OF YOU ON THE TEIXEIRA BANDWAGON.

I BET ALL YOU’VE GOT NOT ONE OF YOU HAS EVER SEEN TEIXERA PLAY 1ST, MUCH LESS PLAYED BASEBALL YOUSELVES. SCREW ALL OF YOU IDIOTS!!!

IN 2 YEARS YOU WILL ALL BE CURSING THIS DAY.**

By BravesDave

July 30, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this

That last post of mine was an actual news story. So many lines I could follow up with…if Mets fans were killing their parents on Saturday, what are they going to do after the Teixeira trade??

But seriously, what a disgusting human being.

By TLJ

July 30, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

I ve read most of the post regarding the trade and possible pending trades. JS gave up a lot to get Tex but he didn’t rape the farm system.

First of all there is still plenty of talent in the farm system. The past two drafts were very good and a lot of it came from the college level which means they will be ready sooner than later. There is also some very good talent in this group.

Secondly we didn’t give up anything that we really needed. I agree Salty appears to be the real deal and will be a very good catcher. As most of you know we already have a very good catcher (McCann). Elvis may someday be a very good SS but he is still several years away. We already have a very good SS Renteria) and one waiting to take his place (Escobar). Matt Harrison may develop into a good Left handed starting pitcher. We already have a good young left handed starting pitcher (JoJo). Neftali Felix is a young Left handed pitcher with potential. We also have one with better potential (Cole Rohrbough). In other words we can afford to make this trade and not be affected.

There isn’t room on the 25 man roster for every good prospect that we have. JS has stated on many occassions the farm system is there to provide the major club with player that will help the club or provide trade material that will help the club.

Let’s hope he is able to get Dotel and a starting pitcher (Arroyo). We can then sit back and enjoy the rest of the season and hopefully it gets us into the playoffs and maybe beyond. We can worry about signing Tex, AJ etc. at a later date. If we don’t sign them, we will get more draft choices to start this all over again.

Enjoy everyone.

By eric

July 30, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this

Great trade. For what the Braves gave up would have preferred Wilson over Mahay but on the whole a great trade.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Yeah-That sounds like a Mets’ fan for sure. Probably called his Dad a Homo before he punched him out, all the time yelling “When Is Pedro coming back?-he’s our savior. Just wait until Alou is in the lineup.”

By chrisklob

July 30, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

BravesDave, regarding your 9.50 post. I think we now know why we haven’t seen Mets Drool lurking around here for the past few days!

By Bob

July 30, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

By Casey Hudson

July 30, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

HEY MORONS!!! THIS JUST IN, SALTALAMACCHIA CAN PLAY 1ST BASE JUST AS WELL AS ANY OF THEIR OTHER OPTIONS INCLUDING TEIXEIRA!!!!!

By Bob

July 30, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

Casey Hudson,

I really like Salty and think he has a great chance to become an outstanding player. But your remark that Salty can play 1st base as “well as any of their options including Teixeira” IS MORONIC!!

Enough said Casey. You started it by insulting everyone on the blog. I should not have responded to you. I did and I apologize to everyone for letting it continue. This is my last post on this subject.

By BravesDave

July 30, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this

If this Dotel-Davies story is legit, I fear for Kyle Davies in the AL. Imagine this guy facing lineups without the opposing pitcher providing an out every inning or so (considering the pitcher typically came to the plate nearly every inning in the majority of his starts this season). I like this deal. I appreciate that Davies has some talent, but he did have an ERA over 6.00 and he has been in pro ball for 6 years. It is not like he is a complete baby, experience-wise.

By Lew

July 30, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Casey-So what? We’re already cursing you. You moron.

By JB

July 30, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

JS is an idiot. How many times does the man have to trade away solid talent - for a “superstar” that we can’t afford to re-sign. Good job Johnny. Give away the future for two months with Texiera.

The Braves need to trade Cox and Shurholz.

By bravesfan

July 30, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

ATLANTA — While the Braves have made inquiries about Royals closer Octavio Dotel, an American League source said there is no validity to reports that have indicated the teams are close to finalizing a deal. In fact, this high-ranking official said Braves general manager John Schuerholz won’t be able to get into any serious trade talks until the deal to bring Texas’ Mark Teixeira and Ron Mahay to Atlanta is finalized on the Rangers’ end. It’s expected to be completed on Tuesday after all necessary medical reviews are completed.

Until then, Schuerholz is unable to enter any other serious negotiations, including those that would fulfill his desire to improve his pitching staff. One National League scout said he wouldn’t be surprised to see the GM land a veteran starting pitcher before Tuesday’s 4 p.m. ET trade deadline arrives.

A Major League source who would have knowledge of any negotiations between these teams said there was absolutely no truth to SI.com’s report that the Braves were nearing a deal that would send Minor League shortstop Brent Lillibridge to the Royals in exchange for Dotel, who has converted 11 of his 14 save opportunities this year.

If the Braves are going to end up with Dotel, it would more likely be in exchange for Kyle Davies, who Royals general manger Dayton Moore got to know well during his days in the Atlanta organization.

Before becoming Kansas City GM last June, Dayton Moore spent more than 10 seasons making his way to the top of the Atlanta scouting and player development department.

In his attempt to build a solid stable of young starting pitchers in Kansas City, there’s definite reason to believe Moore would be tempted to acquire Davies in exchange for Dotel.

But even though the 23-year-old Davies’ inconsistencies led to a demotion to Triple-A Richmond earlier this month, the Braves still may want to continue developing his tremendous talents in hope that increased confidence will improve his mental approach.

The suddenly pitching-needy Dodgers have also expressed interest in Dotel. They may be willing to get him in exchange for Minor League shortstop Chin-Lung Hu, who was named Futures Game MVP.

By Salty

July 30, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

CL

Sunset was fine…and the company.

Yeah, the blog-pace has slowed a bit, but the IQ hasn’t lifted!

I’m curious, is it really a war of words if only one knows what he/she’s doing? Lew is engaged in a classic mis-match…he’s not even trying hard, either!! :-)

By JB

July 30, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

JS is an idiot. How many times does the man have to trade away solid talent - for a “superstar” that we can’t afford to re-sign. Good job Johnny. Give away the future for two months with Texiera.

The Braves need to trade Cox and Shurholz.

By bravesfan

July 30, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

This is what Dotel said before today’s game. “Seattle and Atlanta,” Dotel said, pulling on his shirt. “I heard Atlanta is really strong. What’s going to happen? I don’t know. Those are just rumors.”

By Serbok

July 30, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this

great Day for the Braves!!!!! I really expected that we would get Wilson:o( or Gagne However this works!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!! Davies for Dotel???????? I have to go the Way of the Decider and veto that!

By Bravefan from Ct.

July 30, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

Great trade period!!! Our starting pitching isn’t as bad as most people make it out to be. I agree with all who say that prospects are just that. They are developed to eventually join the parent team or used as trade bait to acquire the pieces needed to be successful.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

Um, JB, you call JS an idiot, then you say we got Teixeira for 2 months.

He’s signed THROUGH 2008, not UNTIL.

Who’s the dummy now, dummy?

By Scoff

July 30, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Casey Hudson- Tex has won 2 GOLD GLOVES AT FIRST BASE! So I guess Salty is not only better at first than Tex, but also better defensively at first than anyone else in the American League? Get real. Get a life.

By Savannah Guy

July 30, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Tex Envy Already? Whoa…Looks like the blog is spiraling out of control from a combo of genuine excitement and speculation from the denizens…to negativity, name calling, hand-wringing, jealousy and disinformation by a few of the usual suspects and mostly newbie blog crashers.

What gets me is the energy and regularity of those crass and crude pranksters, trolls and immature dolts that seem to enjoy spoiling it for everyone else. No doubt an off night for many teams/blogs with the pesky swarms flying to the Braves blog. Tex envy already? If Dotel comes along look for more of the same swarming insanity for a few days (worth it…bring it on).

Good, respectful visitors are always welcomed, especially if they add something pertinent, humorous or intelligent. Troublemakers…just remember there are ladies here. Get out of line and the vets that will have you for dinner. That’s after the ladies carve you a new one.

By chrisklob

July 30, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this

Salty, Lew’s just toying with him. Kind of like the way a large cat will play with its prey before they eat it.

Lew, didn’t your mother teach you not to play with your food!

By Chase

July 30, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

SALTY

You’re right! After a whole day of dealing with certain people on here…I just want to drill a hole in my head to relieve the PAIN!!!!!

Its like trying to describe what Colors are to a person who is BLIND and DEAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Bob, Journalist

July 30, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

Would someone give me a summarized update … I can’t link to the Previous Blog and this one seems loaded with an abundance of insult driven exchanges of no consequence.

I know we got Tex and and believe that deal includes Mahay … and we evidently could have a deal on the table for Dotel.

By Carolina Lady

July 30, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

Serbok, I wrote to you on the previous blog and doubt you saw it before it vanished. The gist, as best I can remember is this:

Apology accepted with thanks for the explanation. Misunderstandings/misreading certainly happens. You are hereby forgiven!

Oh, yeah, and here’s the key to the doghouse door. :-))

By BossLady

July 30, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

By Fire T. Moore!

July 30, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

How long will it take for T. Moore to somehow tie this trade to racism? THIS IS A WONDERFUL DAY FOR THE BRAVES AND GEORGIA!!!!!! Even T. Moore cannot rain on this event! We will win the series! I call on the over 700 people that have posted in the past few hours to e-mail everyone and spread the excitement - Let’s pack the park and get behind these guys like 1991!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this

Casey Hudson, you are an idiot. I live in Oklahoma and the Rangers are on the Fox Sports channel here all the time. I have followed Teixera since the day he came to the majors. This guy is the real deal. His defense at 1B is as good as LaRoche’s is. His offense is terrific. He can hit for power and for average and he is a bit faster than you might expect. He has a history of tearing it up after the break. Granted he was able to hit a lot of homers because of hitting in that bandbox in Arlington. His numbers at home from the stand point of average and RBI are greater than it is on the road. However, his OPS is about the same and his power numbers on the road aren’t shabby. Considering he will be able to have some swings in Philly, Houston, Cincy, and Houston the rest of the way I definitely see him hitting some homeruns. This deal was a coup for the Braves and anybody who doesn’t think so doesn’t know baseball. The deal was a coup for the Rangers as well. But, that is what a good trade is all about. Both teams get what they need and what they want.

The lineup will look like this or should:

1. Harris/Escobar 2. Renteria 3. C. Jones 4. Teixera 5. A. Jones 6. McCann 7. Francoeur 8. Johnson/Diaz…..Now, that is one tough lineup. I’m sure some fool on here will say the Mets lineup is better but give me a break. The Braves have the most balanced lineup in the NL.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 30, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this

same blogger saying the same thing with about 30 different identities. the blog has a sickness right now. sad.

and what nicknames will bobby have for these new players?

and atlanta loses one of the great nicknames in baseball - salty. journalist still thinks salty should be a pirate (or perhaps a mariner).

and bird calling report: jimmy smith went out to the yard and did about a half hour of bird calling and before long many little songbirds were sitting in the trees. bird calling is powerful stuff and very relaxing. one of these birds is considering jimmy smith’s backyard as a residence. all the blue worms must be gone though. haven’t seen a blue worm since laroche was traded but never can tell.

a hunter was once calling birds and it went something like this … “uh, birdy, birdy, uh, here birdy”. the hunter did not have a successful day.

chipper is a resident of texas. chipper may not like teixeira being called tex. not saying it will happen, only considering possibilities. will the real tex please stand up? and if chipper becomes tex, who will be hoss? what night is it? who’s wearing stockings? oh, the humanity! just a rumor - probably nothing to it.

and now, tex, thorman, and julio. hmmm…

By brian

July 30, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this

no way do I trade Hansen or Lillibridge. Once Chipper retires expect to see Escobar slide over to 3rd and Lillibridge take over at SS. Lillibridge also gives the Braves the flexibility to move Kelly Johnson to the OF since he can play 2B also.

By N8

July 30, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone

VERY well said in your 7:36 post.

Nice job.

By Glavine's a TRADER!

July 30, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

* THE MUTS SEASON ENDED TODAY!!!*

By bryan

July 30, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

John Hickey, of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, reports according to sources, the Atlanta Braves have acquired CL Octavio Dotel from the Kansas City Royals in exchange for SP Kyle Davies.

By Tyler

July 30, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist:

We got Teixeira and Mahay for Salty, Andrus, Harrison, and a player to be named.

There is talk of a deal with Kansas City, Davies for Dotel straight up.

There is also heavy talk with the Reds for Bronson Arroyo. Heard they want Reyes and/or Escobar or Lillbridge. Or whoever they can get.

By Serbok

July 30, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this

BRAVES FAN BAD MOVE!!!!! You give up a switch hitter-catcher-first baseman for a guy from TX that the Ranger fans didnt even like?!?!?!? Salty should have never been traded

Salty IS Not a first baseman!!!!

By Efrim

July 30, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

Jeff Locke tonight for Danville:

5 IP 0 Hits 1ER 1 BB 10 K’s

10 folks. Please do yourself a favor and look up the stats for all of these lefties at Danville. They are scary good.

By Savannah Guy

July 30, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

chrisklob Well, hello friend. I was about to sign off (without announcement) but then I saw your post…thought I’d give you a shout. Hey man, Lew’s raking tonight…but no worry. He’s ju jitsuing just fine…letting the trolls destroy themselves with their own idiocy.

This will go down as a crossroads day for the Bravos…and we took the winning turn. Wish I could stay and blog around that but alas…early tomorrow headed to Atlanta. Maybe a game or two in the offing.

By Carolina Lady

July 30, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

Glavine’s a TRADER?? What is he trading? I’ve heard some folks call him a traitor but that’s something entirely different. New business venture before retiring, perhaps.

By Scoff

July 30, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

Robert(Justice is the Best)- Well put. Let’s just hope BC doesn’t let AJ bat cleanup for the rest of the season.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 30, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this

If BC really wanted to knock the NL East’s socks off, he’d return Kelly to the leadoff spot in the LH platoon and bat Harris 8th.

That batting order would rock. Hard. As productive as some AL lineups.

By BossLady

July 30, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this

I am glad to see money and trades happening in Atlanta. Time Warner was stagnated and we saw a year of nothing. We could have traded for anyone right about now as long we see some progress. It is like when i redecorated my house, it’s always been nice, but year after year it get’s old. Nice shake-up JS and thank you.

By TeaMore

July 30, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this

Julio Franco was doing an excellent job, and although he’s Latin on the inside, the Cat’s a brother on the outside. This is just further evidence of the Man trying to keep us down.

By Choppinmama

July 30, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this

Lew: I totally agree with your 8:54.

For all of you who are fretting that we have traded away too deep into our prospect pool, you need to read Scouts Honor by Bill Shanks. It’s an excellent journey through the Braves scouting system and their philosophy on drafting young players.

We have an excellent network of scouts that manage to find unrefined gems, draft them and polish and train them the “Braves way.” The pipeline is always full and we will have many more young men take the places of Elvis, Salty and Matt in the minors.

Teixiera and Dotel are well-fitting pieces in the unfinished puzzle that was our team until today. Can’t wait for tomorrow’s game - the start of our ascendency over and above those Mutts.

Sorry Glav, I don’t boo, but your move to the Mets is like a kernel of popcorn that I can’t get out from between my teeth. Pretty annoying - but good luck tomorrow on going for 300!!

By The Grinch

July 30, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this

Morning, all! This is a fine beginning to the day…many of you may remember back when we were mired in a nasty slump that I still said we were going to win the division. I even put my money where my mouth was (where is MetroMan, anyway?). Now, here comes the expected moment. I TOLD YOU SO. The Phillies players’ bones are snapping like Sam Jackson in “Unbreakable” and the Mets are gonna do what they always do when we put real pressure on them; haul @$$ back into the sewer under Shea and squeak “Wait ‘till next year!” Remember how much crap they were talking about what they were gonna do at the deadline with all those piles of cash and all those superstar players chomping at the bit to come live in that %$%#-hole of a city while we were gonna finish in 4th due to a stagnant payroll and underachieving GM? Well, they actually worded it much less intelligently, but you get my point. Don’t even get me started on what’s gonna happen if we get Arroyo. As for all you feminine-hygiene product containers wailing about how JS is a moron because we really ought to have five catchers and six SS’s instead of a decent team that can actually solidify our dynasty with another WS title…well, I’ll wait ‘till CL goes to bed first. :-)

By brian

July 30, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this

DOB - I know your job is a killer and you have very little free time (especially at the deadline) especially to add to the blog, but your silence is killing us. Please take that as a compliment and not a complaint. You always keep things interesting here and tell us what is going on and there has been a void on this blog today. You have been missed with all the action and rumors today.

By Ron Roberts

July 30, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this

David-ATL 14… ask and ye shall recieve.

Casey Hudson… if you have that big a crush on Jarrod Saltalamacchia, the Rangers would certainly welcome new fans.

As a first baseman, Jarrod Saltalamacchia was not hitting. Pure and simple. He hit .182 with 2 HRs and 4 RsBI. Yeah, he’s just a rookie, and yeah, he’ll most assuredly improve as a hitter over time. But he’s also not a first baseman, and deserves to have a shot at being an everyday catcher - you know, his natural position. Let the guy play where he’s comfortable, and hit in a home run haven and I think the kid could become a star for the Rangers.

But we didn’t need a young catcher you could hit. We already have one; we needed a 1B who could rake, and we never could get that out of anybody.

By chrisklob

July 30, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Efrim, do you follow all of minor league baseball so closely or just the Braves farm system?

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this

Serbok, who cares if the Rangers fans didn’t like Teixeira?! Actually, I haven’t heard that except from a few whinners. A poll showed that 76% of Rangers fans were going to miss Teixeira. Besides from what I can tell on this blog most Braves fans don’t like Chipper. What does that mean? Doesn’t mean they are not great players. Besides the average fan is fickle and uninformed and will change their minds on a dime. I will bet my next five years of earnings that if ‘ol Tex hits .400 with 5 HR and 17 RBI in his first 10 games as a Brave you and many other who have dissed this trade will be hailing JS as the best GM to ever put on a suit!

By Ron

July 30, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this

JS HAS to get a Starting Pitcher, I dont trust JoJo for the Rest of the season!!! Come on man, get us a good starter!!! You done got the First baseman, the Lefty reliever, and possibly the righty reliever, you HAVE to get us another Starter, OR all of the moves are for not!!! Another Starter, I think WILL put us in the playoffs!!! If we dont get another starter, THEN it will be hard to get to the playoffs!!!

By Efrim

July 30, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this

Chrisklob,

I probably follow the minor leagues closer than the majors. I don’t know about that, but I follow it more than most.

By Carolina Lady

July 30, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

:-))) Hey, Grinch! Where you been? Had trouble posting bail this time? :-))

There has been an alarming amount of baseball uneducated-ness displayed hereabouts today. Lordy mercy!

I’m off to the land of Nod very shortly now, but bear in mind that the doghouse is vacant now….. :-))

Nice to see you back!

By BravesFanInRockies

July 30, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

Grinch,

Nice Sam Jackson ref. Always wanted to use that one.

By Mike

July 30, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

This trade has the makings of the Colon trade which was also 4-2. The Expos recieved Colon and Tim Drew for Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Lee Stevens. Stevens was junk and Phillips busted with Cleveland, Sizemore while at the time was a struggling raw 19 year old developed over the next few years into a top 10 prospect. Cliff Lee became an above average pitcher until this year. Salty reminds me of Phillips in the trade, at the time a top 10 prospect ready for the majors. Andrus reminds me greatly of Sizemore a struggling teenager with oozing tools, and Harrison reminds me of Lee. Feliz according to one GM that spoke with Gammons today said was a clone of Mariano Rivera. This trade has the potential to top the AJ for Liriano trade and the Colon trade unless we keep Teixeira because what future will this team have after 2009, because we’ll be in last place just like the San Francisco Giants with an aging superstar in Chipper probably going for his 500th homerun.

By Adirondackdave

July 30, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

Looks like everything has been said over and over. On balance, I like the deal especially if we get Dotel and Arroyo. Also think we have a good shot at re-signing Tex. We’ll likely have the money and he obviously likes Atlanta.

What I really like is a powerhouse offense and now we have it.

By Todd A

July 30, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this

Alert the FTC.Glavine guilty of insider trading.

By chrisklob

July 30, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, hey buddy! I agree, this is a very important day for this franchise. Between the Texeira trade and the potential trades for Dotel and Arroyo it should truly make the difference in this team’s success this year and next. But you already knew that! Hey, let’s hope Minaya freaks out and does something dumb trying to “keep up”. You know they’re very good at reacting when the Yankees do something big so I halfway expect some sort of reactionary trade.

Have a great time in the ATL. Hope you do get to catch a game up there. Been a couple of years since I’ve been up there. Maybe now I’ve got a good reason to go see a couple of games!

Grinch you said: ….we really ought to have five catchers and six SS’s instead of a decent team that can actually solidify our dynasty with another WS title.

A-freakin’ men! People don’t understand the role of the farm system is two-fold. First, to provide players for the major league team and second, to provide trade fodder to fill the holes that the farm hasn’t been able to develop when it’s needed.

I totally support JS’s decision. Salty has great potential but we’re set at catcher. That is his natural position and his value is much, much greater there than at first base. While he hadn’t exactly SUCKED at 1b, he wasn’t exactly a natural there. Granted, he was learning on the fly but he never looked comfortable over there. This trade will allow him the opportunity to achieve his potential. But you already knew that already too!

Salty (the player, not the blogger), good luck man. I hope you have every success you’ve ever imagined in Texas. Lord knows they need it. Hope to see you in many All-Star games in the future!

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this

Does anybody knows if TEX will be in the lineup tomorrow?

By KC

July 30, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

Heard some guys on one of the sports stations here refer to Willie Harris as Willie Mays Hays. That’s hilarious! That’s his new nickname as far as I’m concerned. lol

I guess the Dotel rumors may not have been as solid as first believed. Still a good chance it will happen though.

By Overlord

July 30, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this

If we are to get dotel for kyle, how are we supposed to get arroyo…????

By dan

July 30, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

It’s certainly a fair trade. We have young players in key positions as it is.

The Braves haven’t been this active in free agency since McGriff Galerraga years. This is good news for us Braves Fans.

Now, if we could just shore up a 4th starter, we’d be in fine shape to win the pennant. Why not Joe Blanton?

By KC

July 30, 2007 11:33 PM | Link to this

Sure would be nice to get an update on where we stand with the Dotel and Arroyo deals. I know DOB’s busy though. Guess we’ll know sometime tomorrow though, won’t we.

The one good thing about being in 3rd place is that there’s a chance we could get something done even after the deadline. The Mets and Phillies couldn’t block any deal because they both have better records. Far better not to wait and hope we can pull off a post-deadline deal though.

Let’s get Dotel and Arroyo in Braves uniforms so I can schedule some time off work in October! =)

It was a good day. G’night ya’ll!

By Todd A

July 30, 2007 11:33 PM | Link to this

KC Difference is,Willie Mays Hays COULD run,he just couldn’t hit.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 30, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

Mark,

BTW, yes, Gammons said Feliz was a Rivera clone— but also a kid. Meantime, Krukkie called Tex a potential MVP who makes the Braves’ defense one of the best in the NL, and whose glove will save outs for (meaning wear and tear on) the pitching staff.

By Efrim

July 30, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this

Mike,

You couldn’t be more wrong bro. Couldn’t be more wrong. Feliz as Rivera????? That is strong. The guy hasn’t had a full year in pro ball. Salty and Andrus were blocked. Harrison is good, but we have it covered with more young lefties than any other minor league system. We will be fine and we just got a guy who does nothing but collect a 900 OPS every season. He wins gold gloves too. I wish we got Wilson, but Mahay will do. Dotel for Davies will happen. If the price is right, expect Arroyo in a Braves uni as well.

By the way, what is everyone willing to give up for Bronson?

Scott Thorman, Jo Jo Reyes (don’t want to give him up but probably have too) and James Parr might be a decent enough bounty. Lillibridge is blocked by Alex Gonzalez and Brandon Phillips. Can’t imagine him going. I have a scary feeling they would ask for Hanson and JS might bite. That would put me in a real sour mood. Hopefully we hold onto Hanson.

By chrisklob

July 30, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

Mike, IMO the Montreal team that Colon went to didn’t have the supporting cast that this year’s version of Atlanta has to offer. Vlad Guerrero, Jose Vidro, Joey Eischen and Tomo Ohka were the only other guys on that team that really had great numbers that year.

Balance that against the season’s that Smoltz, Hudson, KJ, Harris, Renteria, Diaz, Francoeur, Moyland et al are having and that’s the difference.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 30, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

Oh yes, and Steve Phillips continues to remind us why he’s a former GM. He thinks the Phils will move Brett Myers back to the rotation — a guy just off the DL who hasn’t started since when, April?

What a maroon.

By Choppinmama

July 30, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

Stevie Wonder: Great Teixeira anthem. May I take the liberty of changing the last line from:How I wish that you were mine to I’m so happy now that you are mine.

Tex and Hoss on the corners - yippie ki yay, get along little Mutt doggies!!

Off topic: I couldn’t help thinking when I saw Reggie Jackson at the HOF induction ceremony yesterday, how much he must LOVE The Bronx Is Burning. What a pit of hissing vipers that NY clubhouse must have been, with head pit viper Steinbrenner running the show. No wonder Billy ended up in a ditch.

By Periodista Señor Blanco

July 30, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

Periodista Señor Blanco está satisfecho ver a muchos otros periodistas en este blog. Este blog es un blog muy agradable.

Es bueno oír que señor Jimmy Smith del periodista del compañero está para los pájaros.

Ahora béisbol…

Es bueno para el jugador nombrado salado ir a Tejas. Tejas está cerca de México y hay mucha cocina al sudoeste fina que no está disponible en Georgia. Él también estará cerca de jefaturas de Frito-Lay, purveyor de bocados salados. Quizás él puede ser el portavoz. Pero periodista Señor Blanco ha descubierto que la sal es malsana. Oh, la humanidad.

Traducción:

Journalist Señor Blanco is satisfied to see many other journalists in this blog. This blog is very pleasant blog.

It is good for hearing that journalist Mr. Jimmy Smith is for the birds.

Now baseball…

The player named “salty” is good for to go to Texas. Texas is near Mexico and there is much fine southwest cuisine that is not available in Georgia. It also will be near headquarters of Frito-Lay, purveyor of salty snacks. Perhaps he can be the spokesman. But journalist Señor Blanco has discovered that the salt is unhealthy. Oh, the humanity.

By A-ville Ranger

July 30, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this

JB Careful with the word idiot.Teixiera is signed through 08.Next season is an arbitration year but he’ll be a Brave at least through next season.One thing Teixeira has added to the show fun……yeeeeee!!haaaa!! ride um Tex. Serbok I read somewhere that 65% of Texas fans are fond of sheep.Texas where men are men, women are glad of it and the sheep are always a little nervous.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 30, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this

If the Reds deal Arroyo after trading Lohse, who’s going to start for them? Jack Billingham?

(Course I want to see Bronson wearing a Braves’ uni, but you get my drift.)

By Superman

July 30, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this

We need a nickname for this line up now!!! You know like The big red machine Blake street bombers. Since I am not very creative does anyone have any good suggestions?

By The Grinch

July 30, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this

Thank you, CL! As for my absence; some of us have jobs, you know. Not that I’m including myself in that category, mind you; just pointing the fact out. BravesFanInRockies, hearing about Utley and then the two others today right after some of our good news just made me think of that character falling down the stairs…(snap! snap! snap!). Good stuff.

Mike, Andrus and Sizemore “struggling teenagers with oozing tools?” Are you saying they need a shot of penicillin and a mentor/basketball court to keep them out of trouble? :-)

Ron, JS has to get a starter or all is for naught? Man, do you have any idea how much better this team already is even if we don’t get Dotel or Arroyo? Yeah, a solid starter would be the completion of a total deadline-day coup but the first deal was hardly irrelevant. I guarantee you I won’t spend nearly as much time from hear on out arguing with Shaun about an inconsistant offense, and as I told KC earlier this will also make games more fun to see in person even if you crapped out and got the 5th starter. We’ll be in most every game ‘till the last out.

By Chop Chop

July 30, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this

The time for half-measures is over. In keeping with the full measure of top prospect sacrifice that John Schuerholz is making, I swear to Almighty God that if the trades made at the deadline this year don’t result in a Braves pennant or a World Series title, John Schuerholz is dead to me. That’s right, folks. I’m calling John Schuerholz out. A mere playoff appearance will not suffice, Homeboy. We had “mere” playoff appearances for years after ‘99, postseason failure piled on postseason failure, to which my fellow denizens can attest. We better win big. If not, you need to get the hell out of Dodge before the restless denizens come after you with torches and pitchforks. I’ll be leading the charge.

How’s that for turning the pressure up?

By BravesDave

July 30, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this

chrisklob, your 10:05pm post had me laughing for a good 10 minutes.

By Ron

July 30, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this

Efrim Maybe they could move Lillibridge to outfield maybe!!! I dont know!!! But you are right We better not trade Hanson for Arroyo!!! But if we could get Arroyo for Thorman, JoJo, Devine, Ledezma, and possibly Lillibridge then I would do it in a heartbeat!!! We HAVE to get a Starter, because I dont trust JoJo for the rest of the year, and whoever likes the rotation as is, is fooling themselves!!!

By Periodista Señor Blanco

July 30, 2007 11:56 PM | Link to this

Periodista Señor Blanco tiene una sugerencia para que qué llame la formación del Braves: Viruta y las pipas.

Traducción:

Journalist Señor Blanco has a suggestion about what to call the lineup of the Braves: Chip and the Pips.

By DAD

July 31, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

Trade for Teixira is a good deal for the Braves. However, it is not going to be enough for the Braves to catch and overtake the Mets in the NL East. The Braves starting pitching will continue to haunt them. Only two of the starters give the Braves a chance to win. The other three assure the Braves a loss every time they pitch. So, Braves fans! Don’t get your hopes up too high. When the Mets finish their trades before the deadline, you’ll see why the Braves don’t have a chance to beat the Mets in the NL East in 2007.

By Ron

July 31, 2007 12:03 AM | Link to this

Grinch But do you realize how much another Starter will help? Yes Tex will be a force in this lineup, and Mahay will probably be a solid reliever, but we need another Starter!!! Lets replace Dotel, and get a Starter!!! Forget Dotel, WE NEED another Starter!!! I still think we will have a CHANCE at the Wildcard WITHOUT another Starter, but We have a great chance to get to the playoffs with another Starter!!! Just my opinion though!!!

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this

what about ………… fantastic 25

By Todd A

July 31, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this

I can’t wait to hear those immortal words uttered tomorrow night, “C’mon Texie. C’mon kid.”

By BravesDave

July 31, 2007 12:13 AM | Link to this

Hey Superman, how about this for a nickname for the offense: Seven Men and a Baby (Andruw Jones). Or do you prefer the sequel: Seven Men and a Little Lady (Andruw Jones)?

Seriously, I really hope this somehow kicks Andruw’s head into gear. Maybe the acquisition of Teix will make him see that his time in Atlanta is just about over and he will turn it on hoping to convince the Main Homeboy (no longer the Homeboy Upstairs after today’s moves) to keep him around for a few more years.

By GSU-Lee

July 31, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this

I wouldn’t do Jo-Jo for Bronson, I think he has a greater upside. Oh, and Bronson is 4-11, I don’t care what park you play in, that is just not very good.

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 12:18 AM | Link to this

Im writing down all that people that says this trades the braves are making will not be enough to get the work done, so i can laugh out loud on their faces one month from now.

By Maytag Sales Man

July 31, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this

HEY SCOTT! Ok if we buy two can we get like a 30% discount on the second one? What if we get a coupon like at “just for feet” Buy One pair get the second pair 50% off” Seriously though i think a trade like this improves Andruws chances of being Resigned, if only his wife will do the honorable thing and “make him” Anyone else think Andruw is lagging this year b/c he is secretly trying to decrease his market value to resign with the braves? That is something my wife would do…”now if you hit another homerun today…i swear to god if you move us after i have finished these drapes!”

By Chop Chop

July 31, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this

Todd A, I just hope Bobby pronounced “Texie” like “Tesh-y”. They could even play some mellifluous John Tesh piano as Tex saunters up to the plate. Good times, no?

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this

what about SOUTH POWEHOUSE

By Mr Fury

July 31, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this

As you jump and down for the trade that will get us Teixeira for basically a year and a rental relief pitcher remember the name of the game is PITCHING AND THE BRAVES DON’T HAVE ENOUGH QUALITY STARTERS. Enjoy the head trip as reality will crush your dreams come September. JS better have something good up hos sleeve for tomorrow. Should have traded Davies long ago while he had some real value.

By Braves Fan Chris22

July 31, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

I forgot where I heard this point, but I did hear a point made that part of the reason for Julio playing at first a lot was to give him some much needed at bats, so if Tex was acquired, he’d be fresh for pinch hitting. Since he wasn’t given playing time in NY, giving him some “spring training in season” was to get him going and keep him sharp. It makes sense now.

I am happy for this deal and I can’t wait for it to be made official. I just wonder if there would be enough time to snag both Dotel and Arroyo before the deadline or at least one of them, preferably the latter if that would be the case.

By TexasBrave

July 31, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this

Hey all;

Since the Tex trade cannot be finialized until tomorrow, doesn’t that mean that Tex most likely will not be in tomorrow night’s lineup?

Also since JS is in a holding pattern on making futher trades until the Tex trade goes through, would it not hurt our ability to get Dotel and/or Arroyo since the other teams (especially KC) can’t wait forever?

I guess everything hedges on how early the Tex trade can be completed.

By A-ville Ranger

July 31, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this

DAD’E’O It’s neither fair or accurate to say James,Carlyle,etc are sure loses.We do need another reliable starter but be fair in your assessment.

By Todd A

July 31, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

LOL Chop.That would guarantee Mark not resigning after ‘08.Now,if Bobby has a mouth full of Skoal at the time, it may sound like he’s saying “sexy.”

By Wayne in Utah

July 31, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this

Ron/Efrim/All Others Still Blogging:

Good day for the Braves. It always hurts to trade away youngsters, but you gotta give to get. I think we traded from strength.

I think if Davies for Dotel happens, it would really help this year (a lot like Wickman helped out last year). I do have a fear we might miss Davies more in the long run than guys like Feliz and Harrison.

I would do JoJo and Thorman for Arroyo. I hope we don’t have to give up guys like Lillibridge or Devine.

I really like our prospects in the next 2-5 years, with the likes of guys like Escobar, Lillibridge, Holt, Pope, Campbell, BJones, Shafer, KK, etc. Lots of flexibility with players capable of playing multiple positions. Lump in with those guys KJ, Frenchy, McCann and maybe Tex; and I really like our lineup.

And I agree with many of you guys, NO WAY do we trade Hanson. There are some other good arms down on the farm too!

The guy on XM tonight is mispronouncing Andrus’ last name. He is also a Mets apologist, and was picking the Mets as still being head and shoulders above the Braves. I might have to turn off the radio.

Tomorrow should be a fun day!

By Todd A

July 31, 2007 12:42 AM | Link to this

superman,

The Phillies had the “wheeze Kids” ,a gritty group of veterans that won the city it’s only world championship.

As long as Andruw Jones and Francoeur are in this lineup, we should call this lineup the “Breeze Kids.” Whiff, whiff, whiff.

By BravesDave

July 31, 2007 12:42 AM | Link to this

Another nickname…Don’t Mess with TexHoss

Or The Dukes of Hammerin’ (I love ’80s TV shows - wasn’t Hazzard County in Georgia??)

Those were terrible, I know. I still like Seven Men and a Little Lady though.

By Braves Fan Chris22

July 31, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this

To TexasBrave:

*”Hey all;

Since the Tex trade cannot be finialized until tomorrow, doesn’t that mean that Tex most likely will not be in tomorrow night’s lineup?

Also since JS is in a holding pattern on making futher trades until the Tex trade goes through, would it not hurt our ability to get Dotel and/or Arroyo since the other teams (especially KC) can’t wait forever?

I guess everything hedges on how early the Tex trade can be completed.”*

I would guess that the finalization would or could be done in the am in enough time before the deadline. I read that one major league scout said he wouldn’t be surprised to see JS grab a veteran starter before tomorrow’s deadline.

We’ll see, but I hope at least a starter is snagged before the deadline. JS could work on another bullpen arm before the Aug. 31st deadline.

By Wayne in Utah

July 31, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this

Olden Cushner (sp)is the Met’s apologist on XM tonight.

By bravesfan

July 31, 2007 12:51 AM | Link to this

DOB…are you there??

By meansonny

July 31, 2007 12:51 AM | Link to this

I don’t see the desperation for a starter. We sure could use one.

But I think the moves we’ve already made (assuming Dotel gets done), will be enough to get the division.

How many games would we have won if Andruw was batting .290 with a .950 OPS. How many games would we have won where Chris Woodward & Craig Wilson wouldn’t have started at 1B (throw Thorman against lefties in there, too).

Mahay should be fresh. He gets ground balls. And he should be the lefty we needed when we gave up the late long balls to Griffey Jr. Low opposing AVG. Low whip. Good acquisition.

Dotel can be a great situational pitcher. Does great from the stretch. Gets lots of K’s. I’d take him out against tough lefties, though.

By Todd A

July 31, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this

I could have sworn I heard one of the guys on Baseball Tonight(think it was Kruk) say that Texiera would provide protection for Andruw in the lineup.What exactly has McCann been doing all this time?Or Francoeur for that matter?

“I would do JoJo and Thorman for Arroyo. I hope we don’t have to give up guys like Lillibridge or Devine.’

Wayne,I wouldn’t trade Lillibridge either.But,I would include Devine.Bobby doesn’t appear to have much faith in him right now.He’s been lights out in the minors and Bobby has been reluctant to use him when he’s been up.Now,I have no idea what the Reds asking price is,but Bill Shanks indicated they are asking for the moon, prompting many teams to look in other directions for help.

By GSU-Lee

July 31, 2007 1:01 AM | Link to this

Overlord, Just so you know, The Braves are a combined 28-19 against the Cubs, Brewers, Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, Padres, and D’Backs. Those are the legit contenders right now, and the only one that has a winning record against us is the D’Backs (1-2). We were beating the NL Before we made any trades, so what makes you think that Tex and Mahay, along with any one else won’t be enough for us to win the National League?

By Todd A

July 31, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

Braves Dave,

Yes,the show was supposed to be in Hazzard county Georgia.

I especially liked those Daisy Dukes’.

By Ron

July 31, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this

Wayne As long as we Win the World Series this year or Next year, OR if we can resign Tex then Yes that is a Great deal for us!!! I think without a doubt that our Offense is WAY better than the Mets!!! Hell our offense was better than the Mets before the Tex trade, now it is sooo much better!!!

Overlord dont be writing my name as one that said we aint making the playoffs!!! I am not saying we will, but certainly not saying we wont!!! No doubt this Tex deal makes us better NOW!!! But we gotta resign him!!!

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

July 31, 2007 1:07 AM | Link to this

The Phillies have won nine of thier last ten games and they are doing it with pitching. So , what did they do ? they went and got more pitching in Kyle Lohse. The Teixeira trade looks sexy on the surface but he can’t pitch and Ron Mahay isn’t the answer to the bullpen question. The Braves need Dotel or Greinke and another veteran starter if they are to make a run at the playoff’s. Zack Greinke is preferrable over Dotel because his rights are owned by the Royals until 2010 where as Dotel is a free agent after this season.

By Ron

July 31, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

Wayne If it took Lillibridge and Devine to get Arroyo, I would still do it!!! I would trade JoJo, Thorman, Ledezma, Devine, and Lillibridge to get that deal done!!! Thats a Win for the Braves, But not so much for the Reds, so that offer wont get done!!!

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 31, 2007 1:11 AM | Link to this

TheJackAss was about to post another of his pithy comments when his conscience told him not to do so…”don’t cast your pearls before the swine”…so I’ll withhold my pearls of wisdom ‘till there aren’t so many rookies on the blog…until then, TheJackAss will expound upon the subject of “selling the farm” or “trading away the future”, as many are referring to a certain trade made today between the Braves and the Rangers…

A farm system in MLB is much like a farm that raises beef cattle…both require a continuous flow of livestock in and out in order to be successful…young players enter the MLB farm system while other players leave via trades, call ups, or wash outs…bulls are attracted to cows, and ultimately calves enter the feedlot…most are fattened up on their way to the slaughterhouse, a few young cows are kept for breeding purposes, and a few heifers are kept because the farmer enjoys the taste of grainfed beef as well as anyone else, so most calves born on the farm don’t remain on the farm for long…they are utilized in such a way as to profit the farm, and to assure it’s continued effectiveness and success…that’s why the farmer learns to never get too attached to his own calves…

Now when a farmer’s bulls get tired and need to be replaced by younger bulls, the farmer usually has to purchase new bulls from other farms because of genetics and other such considerations, because inbreeding is a bad thing…so the farmer uses the profits from the sale of his own young calves to purchase new bulls from other farms in order to replace his own tired bulls…or he trades his own young bulls to other farms in exchange for their young bulls, and the gene pool then remains pure on both sides…in the meantime, the farmer must also acquire a few fully developed stud bulls, capable of breeding immediately, because he cannot afford to wait for the younger bulls to develop into stud bulls…stud bulls are absolutely essential…

So the purpose of a MLB farm system is much the same, it assures the effectiveness and success of a major league baseball team by producing young “prospects”, which can then be traded, or sold to other teams in order to make sure that there are enough fully developed stud bulls immediately available for a team to win now…very few remain with the organization…so when you hear GM Schuerholz bragging up his young “prospects”, you can pretty much bet the farm that these young bulls are going to be traded, or sold to some other team, thereby enabling him to acquire new fully developed stud bulls that can step in and help the team to be effective and successful immediately…

All that to say this—Braves need to win today—there may not be opportunities like this tomorrow—Saltalamacchia was a great looking prospect…has the potential to be a stud bull “someday”—Teixeira is a fully developed stud bull “now”…he can help the team immediately…stud bulls are absolutely essential…Schuerholz did not “trade away the future”, for the future is now…get over it…

By meansonny

July 31, 2007 1:30 AM | Link to this

Coach, We’ll be fine without another starter in the post-season. We’re more likely to win the games 1 and 2 with Teixiera than without him. And he’ll contribute in all the other starts as well.

Andruw with RISP. .227 AVG .821 OPS

Teix with RISP .333 AVG 1.026 OPS

Andruw with 2 outs. .192AVG .818OPS

Teix with 2 outs .312AVG .928OPS

We will win games because our 1-4 hitters will produce. We will win consistently because our 1-8 hitters will produce consistently.

We’ve already beaten every team in the NL except Arizona. Now, we’ll slug em.

By TexasBrave

July 31, 2007 1:38 AM | Link to this

Question: If Gagne is on the trading block (and ESPN says he is) then why did we not go after him too? I’m sure JS tried, but unless Texas was wanting any of our current starting players and were willing to take prospects I think you have to no matter what the prospects. He is a proven closer with years still left in him. Yes he has been on the DL lately, but he is a stud closer. Now I am saying all this with out knowing how long we can keep him. If he is a Free Agent at the end of the year then I wouldn’t give up as much for him as I would if I could at least get 2 years locked up.

By Wayne in Utah

July 31, 2007 1:46 AM | Link to this

Ron and Todd A

The tough thing about speculating is that we really don’t have much say, no matter how bad it hurts. JS is going to do what he and the org thinks is best, whether we like it or not!

:-)

I like Arroyo, and in a pitchers park, with better defense and run support, he is a 15 game winner, maybe of the James class or a bit better. Is he worth two HIGH prospects?? Only JS knows for sure……

I would hate to see Devine go for the very reasons you state Todd. I like the guys work. I wonder why he didn’t get a better shot when up??? Maybe he is an A-Hole, and they are looking for someone to dump him on….Don’t know though…..Probably just a confidence thing with Bobby.

As for Lillibridge, they say he is a gamer. What I like about him is that he has speed, can play middle infield and maybe the outfield, and when he matures a bit more, he might develop a decent power stroke. I wish he didn’t look like a 13 year old though. My 15 year old looks 3 years older than him!!

I really think we will regret sending Davies away later on, but for 2007, I think we need Dotel.

For me, Arroyo is a good pickup, if the price is not too high.

Overdude Count me as one who likes our chances for the post season (of course, being the unsufferable optimist, I had us pegged as WS winners around mid December!).

Good nite guys!

By Wayne in Utah

July 31, 2007 1:52 AM | Link to this

Southern Gentleman

When I saw that long post, I thought that the Savannah Dude had returned!

:-)

Certainly a different take on the farm system.

What do you get when you cross a Bull Terrier with a S**? ………. I want one of those dogs, just so I can curse around old ladies for the shock value of it.

By Serbok

July 31, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

DirtyDawg Are you really serious man? You seem to have a Baseball acumen. Just doesnt make any sense in what you are saying~ The only reason I can See why People are against this trade is that They are afraid of change? This trade makes soooo much sense it is unbelievable that people would be against it. There have been Posts here by Knowledgeable braves fans, IE: Lew,Braveheart (havent heard from ya bro?), KC and Wayne~ Sorry I know I missed a few of you guys I respect~ (Robert?) Wheres Grinch? Innyway~ Not much more can be said to those who think that this was a bad move on the Braves part~ Let’s get real? Not only are the Braves living for 2day? they are also living for the future! Alot of fans seem to be spoiled? There are many teams that have’nt been in playoffs 4 ever? IE: Rangers?

By JD

July 31, 2007 1:58 AM | Link to this

Great trade for the Braves. Atlanta is set at catcher and shortstop, so the losses of Salty and Andrus shouldn’t hurt too much. Despite how impressive Salty has been in the majors, he wasn’t going to top the production of Teixeira, and with McCann on board, the intention the entire time that Salty was in the farm system is that he would be traded. Schuerholz was patient to find the right deal. Another jewel is getting Mahay in the deal, who will give us a left handed reliever who actually gets lefties out, unlike Ledezma or McBride before him.

Schuerholz also shipped Kyle Davies off to KC for Octavio Dotel, which should be a huge deal for the Braves, and makes me wonder if JS is doing the Jedi mind trick on these other GMs. There was a lot of interest in Dotel, and they bit at Davies, who hasn’t shown much in the majors? This deal sounds a lot like the Ramirez for Soriano insanity of this past offseason.

Davies being shipped off makes me wonder whether there’s a deal for Arroyo on the horizon, but three deadline deals in one season?

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 31, 2007 2:03 AM | Link to this

I bashed the trade earlier today just from a talent position. We just traded the 3 top prospects in the organization, according to Baseball America. Not just 3 guys, but the top 3.

But, right now we are a better team. And I think even if we don’t get another starter, we can get to the playoffs. I’d rather have Chucky as the number 4 guy come playoff time….he just doesn’t have the stuff(And neither does Jo-Jo) to get out good hitting teams come playoff time. But, do we trade away the rest of the elite minor leaguers to get another starter? Except for Kyle Lohse, I don’t think another starter has been traded, correct????

By TK

July 31, 2007 2:06 AM | Link to this

* MY TRADES * yeah I know I am going to sound like some who want to make no way trades…but it is late and I am just numb enough to be dumb. * Davies & Prado to KC for Dotel & Greinke * * Thorman & Devine & Boyer to Reds for Arroyo * Has anyone heard if the Braves are scouting the DRays for Carl Craford?? KIDDING….I do wonder if Bobby Cox will drop AJ from the 4 hole??? How many rbi’s would Jeff have if he had been hitting 4th??

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 31, 2007 2:18 AM | Link to this

Wayne in Ute—you may be better served to present your canine question to the folks over on the Falcons blog…they should be well schooled when it comes to dealing with issues concerning dogs…considering all the goin’s ons as of late…

By Double Deuce

July 31, 2007 2:38 AM | Link to this

Coach I understand the concern, but I believe Mahay already makes our bullpen better. We have a lefty who can get people out, and more importantly we have someone who Bobby will use. Remember we have had Devine and Ledesma up for the better part of July and look at the strain its put on the rest of the ‘pen, not to mention that Bobby only uses Paronto when he doesn’t have any other choice. I thought Paronto and Devine should have been used way more often, they weren’t and now you have Yates and Soriano trying to regain arm strength while still pitching in critical situations. If Dotel can be had, Soriano and Yates regain their strength, this pen will be better than it has been all year.

By Wayne in Utah

July 31, 2007 2:48 AM | Link to this

SJA I’d just like to see that dumazz quarterback mess with my “Max”. I’d have to resort to opening up a can of whup azz, even though I am old and slow…..

You just don’t mess with a man’s dog, huh?

:-)

By Serbok

July 31, 2007 3:53 AM | Link to this

Carolina Lady Thank you M’lady:o) Just read youre 10:31 post! I’m not used to such “spartan” surroundings:o( However, I will accept it, until which time I can gratefully hand the key back to you. Until then, I will do my best, to pseudo behave? Sorry bout that chief? However the Geico guys~ made me think with the wrong he~~~~~ oops!!!!!!!!! Thank you for accepting my apology! Now!!! Off to October We shall GO!!!!

By Serbok

July 31, 2007 4:04 AM | Link to this

Robert (Justice Is The Best) Hey, I think you might have me confused with someone else? I really Love this trade!!! lol

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

July 31, 2007 4:12 AM | Link to this

My real concern has always been the pitching. Smoltz and Hudson are fantastic , James has been ok except for his inability to get into the sixth and seventh inning consistently. I’m still expecting Carlyle to turn back into a pumpkin anytime and JoJo Reyes is a rookie. Inspite of that little history of the rotation this current starting five has an ERA of 3.48 which looks great on paper until you take into account that the Mets rotation has an ERA of 3.53. So why are we 12-13 in July , 13-15 in June , 14-14 in May…… it’s the damn bullpen , stupid ! Ron Mahay can’t turn a seven man bullpen around by himself. Which is why John Schuerholz is trying to get Octavio Dotel in the bullpen and Bronson Arroyo would go along way toward shoring up the back of the rotation. The next 13 hours or so will tell us whether or not JS can finish getting the pitching that the Braves need to compete.

By Serbok

July 31, 2007 4:22 AM | Link to this

Carolina Lady And? Just Like that? Grinch comes home? And I’m booted from my new “Digs”? I see how you are now! I’ll find another Doghouse somewhere:o( I’m sure? :o)

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 31, 2007 4:59 AM | Link to this

an interesting read by a Dallas reporter on Tex….

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/071307dnspotaylor.3c4f98e.html

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

July 31, 2007 5:20 AM | Link to this

Two pieces of advice for Teixeira when he gets to the Braves , shut up and play ball.

By fastasballs

July 31, 2007 5:56 AM | Link to this

Great move by JS! It gives me much more confidence that this team can make it to the playoffs this year & next. More importantly it gives the Brave’s players more confidence because they know JS believes in them & was willing to sacrifice “some” of the future for this year & next’s.

By far this move gives the Braves to edge for a playoff spot. Had they not given away so many games since the break I would say they were a lock right now to win the division.

JS was the only GM willing to give up prospects for proven talent. Every other team over valued their talent in potential trades.. A prospect is just that, an unproven player that has upside or has proven himself at a lower level of baseball. Yes I think Salty will be a good to great player, but he was never going to player here enough to be that player. He’s not a first baseman & he’s blocked by a two time All-Star catcher. Andrus is a whizz with the glove, I’ve seen him play quite a few times, he will make it to the show, but once again the Braves have a glut of middle infielders on the farm.

I had to laught at many of the knee jerk posts from yesterday, especially the one about JS has given away every prospect the Braves have had since he arrived. Other than Wainwright & Dye who are these prospects that have gone on to greatness elsewhere? Andy Marte or Dan Meyer? Don’t think so. The rest are obscure names that are escaping me right now, but you get the idea. Take a look at the Braves roster to see prospects they kept. Chipper, Andruw, KJ, Frenchy, McCann, Chuck James & Escobar, all impact players.

The only question I have is Cox going to leave Andruw in the clean up spot? If so that is a huge mistake, but so is leaving him there virtually all year. For one I think Andruw catches fire because if he’s not a complete moron he will understand he’s gone next season & every failure of his from here on out is going to cost him money & lots of it.

My perfect Braves batting order against RHP would be KJ, Edgar, Chipper, Tex, McCann, Andruw, Frenchy, Harris

Against LHP Escobar, Edgar, Chipper, Tex, Frenchy, Andruw, McCann, Diaz

Two switch hitting power hitters in the middle of the order will create nightmares for opposing managers. There should be no more pitching around Chipper IF Tex bats 4th. This is top to bottom the best line up in the NL.

By tim

July 31, 2007 5:58 AM | Link to this

who hate to let someone like Salty go but he is a PROSPECT, Tex is bonafide. now the trick is signing past 2008 if not then it was a bad deal for the home team. Potential trade of Davies get what you can a live arm or a snickers bar the kid has no value. and we are in desparate need of pitching. I would rather have Dotel then Arroyo. when with houston dotel was lights out.

By Dave

July 31, 2007 6:21 AM | Link to this

I agree with the guy who posted a few above this about some of the classic rediculous braves fans resentment towards losing prospect. I myself am sick and tired of falling in love with every guy that walks through the organization, just to see us merely compete but never get over the hump because of the same issues every year. This is a clear message from JS that we are not playing around anymore, i.e. Tom Martin, Danyz Baez, and every other worthless rental we brought into this organization in the past to patch up a leak.

Mark Teixera will prove to major asset to this organization for the next year plus some, and hopefully well into the future. I would have also have liked to have gotten CJ Wilson in the deal but if immediate bullpen help was the solution, which it is, then mahay was the obvious pick. I think by the conclusion of today you will see how serious the braves are about winning titles and not just divisions. If things shake out the way I think they will, we will all be back in here, waisted sometime after 4 eastern laughing about how much of a baseball genius our GM is.

I love Salty, we all love Salty, reality is reality, good luck in Dallas, we will root for you, now lets go win back what belongs to us.

Dave

By Ron H

July 31, 2007 6:51 AM | Link to this

People, what’s not to like here? We have enough young guns in the lineup! The braves have one of the youngest teams in the majors (julio probably bumped us up to the middle of the pack, though!) You need proven veterans.

i’d like to see us get some pitching now. i wouldn’t mind Octavio, but Bronson? Come on!

We’re still behind the pack, and we really need to make up some ground. Time is running out! I know this is a marathon, but it’s time to start putting a little pressure on the other teams and slowly pull away.

Gooo braves!

By JasonInMaine

July 31, 2007 7:14 AM | Link to this

I hope our esteemed leader of the blogosphere is well rested and ready to feed the dogs…

We need some updates! I hope JS wasn’t hamstrung be the deal for Tex not being able to be finalized…if there are players he really wants, I am sure he will have a framework in place that can get signed as soon as the deal is finalized…I strongly doubt that he “broke off all serious negotiations” as earlier reported…

It should be an interesting few hours…let’s finalize the deal for Tex…get some pitching…make the playoffs…and take our chances!!

Regards,

Jason

By uncidon

July 31, 2007 7:16 AM | Link to this

Andruws production this year (HR-RBI) is better than TEX. Remember we let J Dye get away?

By Bob

July 31, 2007 7:43 AM | Link to this

Uncidon,

Yeah, but Tex missed 27 games. Andruw’s numbers have been “better” than Chipper’s too, but would you say he is having a better season?

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 7:55 AM | Link to this

I just returned to the world of “wakeup”, and read last night’s posts. I must comment on a few.

Lew…You were at your usual best in chewing up and spitting out, trolls. Don’t you think today’s “Casey Hudson” was yesterday’s “miller”?

Savannah Guy Glad to see you make your appearance. But, you still sound a bit “cool”. And where is that e-mail address?

SJA Again, welcome back! And, once again, we have had our “issues” but when you put your good mind to it, you can “say” with the best of ‘em.

And finally, for now:

God bless you Salty for making my heart race while you were here!

Sorry, sweetie, this is baseball, not puppy love. And, you have just as much chance of hooking up with him in Texas as you did when he was in Atlanta. So, worship him from afar, just more “afar” than before.

By DJ

July 31, 2007 8:01 AM | Link to this

No question is that this is a great great deal. For all of the “so-called experts” responding and saying that the Braves gave the farm and this not being a smart deal, it is obviously that those folks have no remote knowledge of Braves baseball. Fans have been riding the Braves front office for not pulling the trigger and getting some help in the past few seasons, and when that opportunity came along, those fans still want to moan and groan abnout the deal. What in the hell is the front office supposed to do? They are making the commitment in getting back into the postseason, and are still trying to make some other moves before the 4 p.m. deadline today.

Let’s face it this was not an easy deal to contend with, and not to mention that SALTY IS NOT A FIRST BASEMEN. HE IS A CATCHER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. In order to get something you have to give up something.

The immediate thought is that Tex will only will be a rental for a year and a half. Now had the Braves had not done anything before the trade deadline, it would have only triggered the fact that those “crying and b**ing fans” would have been complaining more.

The real question now is that can the Braves get a starter for the bakc end of the rotation. Bronson Arroyo’s name has been mentioned and if that is the case, the trigger has to be pulled again. Also, Octavio Dotel’s name has been mentioned for possible bullpen help. Again, pull the trigger.

Something will happen for the Braves before the 4 p.m. deadline today, and if not, let’s just rally behind our troops and support them in their quest in returning to the post season.

By DJ

July 31, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

No question is that this is a great great deal. For all of the “so-called experts” responding and saying that the Braves gave the farm and this not being a smart deal, it is obviously that those folks have no remote knowledge of Braves baseball. Fans have been riding the Braves front office for not pulling the trigger and getting some help in the past few seasons, and when that opportunity came along, those fans still want to moan and groan abnout the deal. What in the hell is the front office supposed to do? They are making the commitment in getting back into the postseason, and are still trying to make some other moves before the 4 p.m. deadline today.

Let’s face it this was not an easy deal to contend with, and not to mention that SALTY IS NOT A FIRST BASEMEN. HE IS A CATCHER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. In order to get something you have to give up something.

The immediate thought is that Tex will only will be a rental for a year and a half. Now had the Braves had not done anything before the trade deadline, it would have only triggered the fact that those “crying and b**ing fans” would have been complaining more.

The real question now is that can the Braves get a starter for the bakc end of the rotation. Bronson Arroyo’s name has been mentioned and if that is the case, the trigger has to be pulled again. Also, Octavio Dotel’s name has been mentioned for possible bullpen help. Again, pull the trigger.

Something will happen for the Braves before the 4 p.m. deadline today, and if not, let’s just rally behind our troops and support them in their quest in returning to the post season.

By fastasballs

July 31, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

How many players do the Braves have in the organization? 175-200? The Braves obviously have a talent rich minor league system so what do you people propose they do with the extra talent? If you have 2 potential great catchers do you keep both or get a MUCH needed first baseman with above average glove & bat plus a good lefty for the pen?

I’ll admit I had a man crush on Salty as well, but there is no room for the guy with McCann. Some of you think Salty is better than McCann or will be, maybe so, but if the plan is to win this year or next you don’t trade the proven catcher who is use to handling the rotation(very well from what I’ve heard from Smoltz & Huddy say) & insert a rookie.

Signing Tex to a long term deal after 2008 will depend a lot on production, money & how the Flyin Hawaiian progresses next year. Maybe we only need a 1 1/3 season rental.

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Andruw’s numbers have been “better” than Chipper’s too, but would you say he is having a better season?

Which numbers are you talking about? Certainly not the numbers that matter to production.

Andruw - .216 AVG/.319 OBP/.428 SLG

Chipper - .341 AVG/.430 OBP/.592 SLG

I’ll assume you’re talking about HR and RBI. The reason Andruw leads the team in homeruns is because he obviously has power but also because he’s been in the lineup more than anyone except Francoeur and he’s hit in the clean-up spot (so he’s coming up rather often).

He’s got so many RBI for the same reasons but also because he’s been hitting behind three tremendous on-base guys for most of the season. If Tex had been the cleanup hitter all season, he’d likely have 90 or more by now.

By Jeff R

July 31, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Sorry to say, nothing’s changed that much in baseball over the years. Teams win with pitching. 36 year old Mahay is good, but the Tex trade would have made much more sense had Gagne or Wilson been included. If the Braves acquire Dotel and Arroyo, that would better position the team for a run at the Mets than acquiring Tex, though having him in the line up with improved pitching works nicely. But the notion that a juiced up offense is going to win the division makes no sense to me. If Schuerholz brings in the pitching, then a juiced up staff may just do the trick.

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

Jeff R,

Do teams win with pitching, always?

I mean the Milwaukee has worse pitching than the Braves yet have a better record.

The Indians are in a position for a playoff spot, yet they are in the bottom half of the AL in fewest runs allowed.

In recent years the Yankees have reached the playoffs with average pitching and great offense.

It’s about wins and losses, which is about scoring more and allowing fewer runs than the other team.

By TomahawkSlinginInDC

July 31, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

I’m gonna have to disagree at this being a good deal UNLESS there’s a strong chance that Tex is attainable for a longer deal, I’m not all that thrilled about giving up Salty with all potential he’s showing. I think the Braves need to think further ahead and not just for the moment.

By die hard braves fan

July 31, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Does this means Wickman isnt going to be the closer any more if we were to get Dotel?

What is Mahany’s role going to be? Is he going to be the new set up man?

Ordering my new M-Tex’s jersey!

I would give M-Tex a 75 million 10 years contract right now and trade AJ for 3 pitchers.. AN ACE and 2 prospects

Contract year or not - you still gotta to play hard or stay home!

By bevsouth

July 31, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

“Even if we win the World Series it’s still nit worth it” That is the dumbest statement I have ever read.To Chris & Parks and the rest of the glass half empty group grow up! You wouldn’t know Evlis Andrus from Elvis Pressley, where was he going to play?Edgar is great and Escobar will be another Jose Reyes.Harrison is mediocre at best.Bottom line we gave up a good one in Salty but he was not going to play here.Even if Salty & Elvis become allstars it will be 2or3 years from now and by then Smoltz,Chipper,Hampton(f healthy) will be past their prime.The future is now!

By JasonInMaine

July 31, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

When will Texas finalize their review of the medical records?? This needs to get done…

I wonder what JS has up his sleeve for today?

Regards,

Jason

By Salty

July 31, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Safari

I don’t recall who recommended downloading the Safari browser, but if you have Windows XP or Vista, do it. This blog takes a minute-plus on IE, yet refreshes in under two seconds with Safari. For those of us who feel the aging process while we wait for an updated screen, it will add weeks to your blogging future, perhaps to the chagrin of other posters! ;-0

Thanks for the advice…and take credit for a big help!

By Nick

July 31, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Good move. We have been playing for the the future for 20 years with one World Series. The future is now.

By Efrim

July 31, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Nick,

Amen brother. It is time to win a world series this year or next year.

By Bob

July 31, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Shaun,

Good morning. I was being sarcastic in my response to Uncidon, who commented that Andruw has more homeruns and rbis than Tex. I emphasized that Tex has missed 27 games. Chipper also has fewer homer runs and rbis than Andruw, but as you pointed out there is a clear reason for that. My response was to Uncidon’s slap at Tex.

By Savannah Guy

July 31, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah 1:52: Heeeyyyyyy. I’ll take that as a…kind gesture? Trouble is, it is often true so I suppose I can’t say anything other than…howdy do. Besides, your smiley face made it seem so…semicolon paren-ish.

Paladin “Me cool”? Hell yea man, always cool, dude. But not the way you intended. Just tired from a long day in the salt mines…and having more fun reading than writing last eve’nin. Email…oh, shyte…forgot. Tell you what, post yours and I’ll shoot you a return this aft or this evening (before or after attending the game hopefully) when I get to Atlanta. It’s not like a big trip or anything since I go there almost every week for a few days for meetings and such. I’m out the door…running late as usual.

By KC

July 31, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

DOB: Heard you on 680-am this morning here in Atlanta. I heard one of the hosts saying that this move puts us “on par” with the Mets offensively. Huh???

We already have a higher team average than the Mets, higher OBP and Slugging%, and we’ve scored more runs than the Mets.

I don’t get it. How does adding one of the best hitters in baseball now put us “on par” with the Mets?

This move clearly makes the Braves the best offensive team in the league.

Now…. unfortunately, the Mets have 4 very good starters WITHOUT Pedro Martinez. They’ve got a very good offense, and a good bullpen. So I think the Mets still have the tools to win the East without having to make another move or pray that Pedro comes through.

I think now it’ll be a dogfight. If the Braves land Dotel and Arroyo (though I’ll be thrilled if they get either, let alone both) … I think the Braves will win it cleanly. Here’s hoping.

By The Chop

July 31, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Does anyone know if Big Tex will be in the lineup tonight??

By KC

July 31, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

How long does it take to look at the damn medical records??!!

It would be a terrible shame if this holds up any other deals from happening. Get this thing finalized already!!!!

By DAP

July 31, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

get this, Minaya said the Mets pride themselves as being a pitching and defense team…really? it suprised me that he said that, and kinda made me laugh….because i thought both thier pitching and defense was pretty average. having castillo makes them better…but not quite as significant as tex.

and it looks like belatran’s going on the DL. we need to win every game this week and catch up.

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

Bob,

Good. I’m glad I can back you up. Maybe Andruw’s season will make some who resist realize that RBI are highly context-dependent and should not be used to judge an individual player’s skills.

By Mike Toto

July 31, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

It’s a GREAT deal! A perfect fit for both teams…now…can the Braves sign him long term? With Scott Boras as Teixeiras’ agent, I wonder. Saltalamacchia is a nice pickup for Texas…I see this helping BOTH teams…Good Deal John!!

By bryan crawford

July 31, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

If we keep Tex past next season, it will be one of the Braves best deal ever. Rentirea 2nd,Chipper 3rd, Tex 4th, Andrew 5th, McCann 6th, Frenchy 7th and Johnson/Harris/Escobar 1st.& 8th. Not a better hitting lineup in the NL! Poor Mets!!

By Tomas

July 31, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Wohooo thats what im talking about JS, and now get Arroyo, and Dotel, but do not give up Renteria, and we win the World Series.

By fastasballs

July 31, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

The last time I checked Andruw had more at bats with RISP & runners on than ARod has, but ARod has 103 RBI’s. It’s the same with just about everyone in the 10 in RBI’s.

Andruw clearly is not producing anywhere near what he should. He’s played all but a few games & bats in the 4 hole. With Tex they will have a legit clean up guy & Andruw can go bacl to the 5 or 6 spot where he is accustomed to batting more of his career. I still have this feeling Cox will bat Tex 5th. If so we will have a confirmation that BC is on the Boras Christmas card list.

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

KC or anyone,

Did you read Dayn Perry’s piece?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7075888

He seems to think the troubles at the back end of the Braves rotation are overstated.

“Now that the Braves have apparently addressed their most glaring weakness (yes, first base was even more of a problem than the back of the rotation), the onus is on the other NL power teams to respond in kind,” he says.

Looking at the numbers more closely, I would have to agree.

Chuck James has posted an ERA better than league average. Carlyle has posted an average ERA when you take into account where he has pitched. Many contenders struggle to find even average starters for the back-end of their rotations.

The Braves have two great starters, one above-average and one about average.

Plus virtually every pitcher in the bullpen has posted at least a league average ERA when you take context into account.

If the Braves add any more decent pitching at all, you have to like their chances.

I see no reason why they can’t jump from 5th to 2nd in runs scored. I also see no reason they can’t jump from 6th into the top 5 in fewest runs allowed if they acquire a half-way decent pitcher or two.

This team very well could be even more exciting than it looks.

By JasonInMaine

July 31, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

KC,

Exactly! Let’s get this freakin deal finalized so we can move on to other moves that we know JS has up his sleeve!

Regards,

Jason

By Jim Staudt

July 31, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

Hate to lose Salty, but at least he should get a chance to be a top MLB catcher now. And with Lillibridge and Escobar waiting in the wings, we could afford to lose Elvis Andrus. As for “Tex”, we’ll be glad to have him, rent-a-player though he is. At least we’ll have him thru 08 as well. Trouble is, we ain’t goin’ nowhere this year without another starter or two. And the rumored acquisition of Bronson Arroyo isn’t the solution… he’s just Kyle Davies with a lot more miles on him.

By Bull54

July 31, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Has anybody heard who the Braves offered for Arroya?

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Looking at Arroyo’s defense-independent numbers, he could easily be a solid number three or four guy if he were to get out of that ballpark in Cincy and on to a good defensive team playing in a good park for pitchers.

By ugafan

July 31, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

I have been a long time AJC blog reader but now a first time poster. My congrats to some of the dedicated posters here (Lew, JasonInMaine, Paladin, Carolina Lady, KC and many others) I enjoy reading the various opinions people have to offer.

I believe this trade is one that the braves needed to make. With the depth of the farm system, it is worth the risk. It immediately improves two of the weaknesses the Braves had (1B & Lefty in bullpen). Now if we can address a couple other areas (No. 5 Starter & Extra arm in bullpen) without giving up too much, I believe the braves will have the pieces in place to compete for the division or at least the wildcard.

By JasonInMaine

July 31, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Shaun,

I agree to a certain extent…but Chuck is the #3…he isn’t part of the back-end of the rotation. While Carlyle has been pretty darn good, I am a little afraid that the clock may strike midnight on his story…but furthermore, the #5 starters have been absolutely atrocious.

Regards,

Jason

By DirtyDawg

July 31, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Not that it matters, but let me see if I can explain this in a way that even my more harsh critics can understand. All things being equal, Salty is a better catcher than McCann…period, paragraph. Of course, in life, things are never equal…he’s not from around these parts and he doesn’t have a long-term contract. I know this - better catcher thing - because I can see…I’ve played and watched and I’ve coached enough ball to be able to compare two players and determine which one has the better skills…and so do the Braves. But, again, things aren’t equal and Salty is gone. By the way, all you folks that are so excited about this Tex person - had a look at the comparative stats? His versus our 1st base? Yes, he’s got a higher average but he’s also got, what, two more HRs, eight more RBIs, and about six more runs scored…and that compared to what’s supposed to be the poorest producing 1B position in the Majors? That’s gonna win us the division? And on top of that, if you believe what’s being said here, he’s got an attitude that Bobby Cox won’t put up with for long - maybe he just doesn’t like being in Texas, which I could certainly understand.

My point was that in a relatively short period, Salty would have become the Braves number one ‘backstop’ so why not hold onto him and let him produce at first? Believe me he has the hands and the footwork to be a better than average 1B and if he just had a decent glove - one that’s broken in but not that rag he usually uses - he’d have been the answer for the rest of the season.

Doesn’t really matter though, does it? It’s done and there’s no going back. I won’t be around here saying I told you so, but put this in your ditty bag - Saltalamacchia will be the AL All-Star catcher for years to come. And, oh yeah, Brian will have been hurt so much that he’ll get moved to first to keep his bat in the line-up.

By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist

July 31, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

let’s get this out on the table for discussion now. it has been pointed out, correctly, that teixeira is not pronounced “tex” but “tush”. everyone here should know what the means from the dugout (unless action is taken now).

“c’mon tushy, c’mon kid.”

oh, the humanity! this is a proud franchise and such nicknaming must not be allowed.

jimmy smith thinks this is a major issue facing this ballclub and now opens the subject for discussion.

By brent a.

July 31, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Do we know for sure if Texeira will be playing tonight?

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Jim Staudt,

Again, lots of teams have reached the post-season with great offense and average pitching. And the pitching isn’t as bad as most people seem to think.

By sam galloway

July 31, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

No. They shold have taught McCann to plat 1st and then they could have caught McCann 4 days a week and salty 3 days a week. Salty could have played 1st the rest of the time. He may be better in the long run than Tex aND WITHOUT A LOT OF PITCHING HELP THEY ARE NOT WINNING THIS YEAR. SO IN 2 YEARS THE EVIL boros walks with tex and andru and smoltz’s arm finally says goodbye and what have you got? they could have kept salty for years. i hope he becomes an allstar in texas

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 31, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Surely, the Rangers have approved those med records or will here in the next half hour or so. I would think MLB would step in and tell them to get on it because it puts JS and the Braves at a distinct disadvantage with other deals. JS is down to seven hours. Can he make other deals? I still think Edgar is on the block if a quality starting pitcher comes back in the deal.

By Wayne in Utah

July 31, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy Glad you have an eye for sarcasm. Heaven knows I would never want to offend any of my bloggin’ buddies!

I have been accused of enjoying the art of pushing others’ buttons though….

Did Dave go to sleep off his all-nighter and develop a case of amnesia. No blue ink in a while. We miss you Dave! Although I bet I heard your XM spot replayed about 5-6 times yesterday.

By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist

July 31, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

brent a, makes a good point. it is julio’s turn tonight. tushy must wait for the next game. wait, left hander pitching? oh, the humanity! may not see tushy for a few days!

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

JasonInMaine,

Question is how much better are other teams’ 3-5 starters? The Braves’ 3-5 are certainly no worse than many other decent rotations’ 3-5. And with the offense they now boast, certainly-no-worse is certainly good enough.

It seems like the Braves pitching is average or bad. But they actually have allowed the 6th fewest runs per game in the league.

They’ve also weeded out guys like Davies and Redman, who threw over 107 innings combined for this team. That’s over 11 games worth of innings.

I see no reason to believe the pitching staff will get much worse and will surely get better if they add Dotel or Arroyo or both or some other halfway decent pitcher(s).

By Thrillhouse44

July 31, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Perhaps baseball players have to wait in the same line at the doctor’s office as me. I hope they brought their iPods and magazines…

By Robert

July 31, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Where in the hell has DOB been in the past 24 hours? Its the two biggest days of the year and he’s nowhere to be found on his award winning blog. Come on Dave. Throw us a bone

By Bob

July 31, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

DirtyDawg,

You conveniently forget to mention that Tex missed 27 games. You also seem to ignore the fact that Braves around him have gotten on base a lot more than the Rangers did, thus creating more opportunities.

Time will tell whether Salty becomes better than BMAC. You might be right. But right now, he is NOT. Ask the only guys who really matter…Smoltz, Hudson, James etc. They will flat out tell you that BMAC is better. The kid has been an all star for two years in a row and only been up to the bigs as a full time starter for 2 years.

I wish Salty the best. I love the kid. But we have a BIG PROBLEM at first base and this helps solve it. We have an equally big problem in the bullpen with nothing close to a reliable lefty and this helps fix it.

If Tex has an attitude, I am sure that the Braves can handle it. They have done pretty well with previous problem childs. Of course, who would not have an attitude playing with the Rangers?

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

It is starting to look like if tex deal will be the only one done…….if any.

Dotels deal is far from becoming true.

By JasonInMaine

July 31, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Shaun,

“I see no reason to believe the pitching staff will get much worse and will surely get better if they add Dotel or Arroyo or both or some other halfway decent pitcher(s).”

I agree completely! I think Jo-Jo has a promising future, but I rather not have him learn during the middle of a pennant chase. If we could get an Arroyo/Vazquez/Garland…wow, move Chuck to the #4 and Carlyle to the #5…I would take the Pepsi challenge with any other rotation in the NL!

Regards,

Jason

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

It doesnt looks to me as if TEX is gonna play tonight. Everything is taking to much time.

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy When you return: I didn’t suggest that either of us post our e-mail address on here; I suggested we use an intermediary like Braveheart or Grinch. However, haven’t seen hide-nor-hair of BH for over 24 hrs. I hope he didn’t pull himself too close to the desk and his “endowment” unplugged his computer. :-) Grinch, by his own admission, doesn’t have that problem. :-)

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

DirtyDawg,

I think Saltalamacchia is going to be better than many seem to think, but when he posts and OPS 46 percent better than league average (when taking ballpark into account) in his first full season, tell us how bad this trade was.

Also, you’re analysis on Tex is rather simplistic. His counting stats—HR, RBI—don’t look impressive because he missed some time earlier in the season and he played on a below-average offensive team. Hard to drive in runs when your team is 13th in the league in OBP…in a hitter’s park!

Here are the important stats (courtesy of espn.com):

Braves 1B - .211 AVG/.270 OBP/.363 SLG

Teixeira - .297 AVG/.397 OBP/.524 SLG

Tex’s numbers will go down some in Atlanta but it’s ridiculous to even suggest this is not a dramatic improvement.

By Skip

July 31, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Is there any sense that this trade represents a loosening of the purse strings by Liberty Media? Would this trade have been made if Time Warner was still the owner of the team?

By bravesfan

July 31, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Well if DOB was here we could ask him what was going on but he isn’t.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 31, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Rumors are flying that Kenny Williams is willing to listen to offers for Vasquez and Garland. Would JS offer Renteria, Yates, and Devine for one of them? Could he get away with offering Tommy Hanson, Yates, and Esquivel?

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 31, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

“I know this - better catcher thing - because I can see…I’ve played and watched and I’ve coached enough ball to be able to compare two players and determine which one has the better skills”

I’m not doubting your personnel evaluation ability, but do you think you’ve really seen enough of Saltalamacchia to judge his skills? I’ve seen him play in the minors and majors, and I don’t know that I would be ready to make a final judgment on his upside. Especially defensively.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 31, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

First, I love it that so many are duped by reports that this or that player is a bad influnce in a club house when an organization is trying to justify dumping a guy or making a trade. I’ve seen it so many times in the Boston or New York papers. I guess Dallas is just like them.

I have been around many disgruntled employees in my life. It goes with the territory as a union rep. Often it is one side or the other trying to make a case to justify an action or decision and under the surface one often finds a much different reason for what really is the truth.

At least the Braves don’t throw a guy under the bus before they trade im. They simply let them go and let history be the judge of whether it was the right move or not.

Kyle Davies is going to be a good major league pitcher some day. Problem is the Braves nation no longer allows for a player to fail as he learns his craft. Many of the so called fans expect every pitcher to be a Cy Young right out of the box and do not understand that even the greatest pitchers had to take their lumps as the learned their craft.

Position players are no different. A kid like Lillibridge (The next Craig Biggio) is going to be a star but he is not yet in that place. He is two or three years away from being that player.

So chill a bit Braves Nation and let’s see what it looks like after the smoke clears. Let us all hope that no matter what they call the line up in the short term, they are called World Series Champs at the end.

All we can hope for is the Braves are in a position to win.

By ronnie c

July 31, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Shot Yeah!!! Got us a Texan!!! I’ll take some hot sauce over my food anytime! Salt’s bad fer you; makes them atteries clawg up.

By ronnie c

July 31, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Shooooot Yeah!!! Got us a Texan!!! I’ll take some hot sauce over my food anytime! Salt’s bad fer you; makes them atteries clawg up.

By Will

July 31, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

Not disappointed with the Salty trade, i think it was for the best for the braves and him. Hope the Braves get another starter though, they need another good arm to make a playoff push.

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

5 hours and 10 minutes……….

Its seems like the muts traded some player to the rangers if they agreed to make the braves trade last forever so we could not make any more moves.

By bravesfan

July 31, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

FIRST TRADE OF THE MORNING Jack Wilson has just been traded.

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

All I know, is T-e-i-x-e-i-r-a is easier to spell than S-a-l-t-a-m-a-c-c-h-i-a. As always, it is a matter of “numbers” and—in this case, for sure—size does matter.

By KC

July 31, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Shaun: I also think the Braves rotation will be fine. Better than fine. We have 3 of the top 15 starters (in terms of ERA) in the league, and 2 of the premier starters in the game.

Carlyle looks like he’s going to be a solid back-end-of-rotation kind of guy. If he keeps doing what he’s been doing, he’ll give you a chance to win the game, and he’ll give you innings. That’s what you ask of a 4th starter.

My only concern is that the Mets have been unbelievably lucky with that rotation. They’ve gotten more out of starters not named Tom or Pedro than they ever could have hoped for.

Maine, O.Perez, and ElDuque all have ERAs of 3.00 or lower. If they get a reasonably healthy Pedro back now to go with Glavine and the 3 guys I just mentioned… that’s a scary rotation. I hate to say it, but it’s true.

However, if the Braves could get Arroyo, they would have a rotation that… if not on par with the Mets, would be close. Mets might still have a slight edge in the starting pitching department, but Atlanta would probably have a slight edge in the bullpen (again, if they get Dotel), and the already have the edge offensively.

So in short, yeah… they’ve got a shot at it right now. But Dotel or Arroyo OR BOTH (please God!) could really turn this team into one hell of a force.

By jimmy smith, ugandan journalist

July 31, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

bloggers must remember that dob now has a girlfriend. please cut dob some slack. thankyouverymuch, journalist has left the building.

By Lee in South GA

July 31, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

So what if Teixera has a attitude….. A-Rod, Bonds and Schilling have one too and their careers seem pretty good. Is it a law that every Brave must fall into a certain personality trait. I was hoping one more trade could be made today but that appears unlikely.

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Paladin, TEX number will not go down in atl. They will up at least slightly.

By Marietta Dawg

July 31, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Yahoo sports is reporting that we’re getting Dotel for Davies.

By JasonInMaine

July 31, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Seriously, what the heck is going on with this Tex trade…review the damn medical reports already…we have 5 freakin’ hours left to try and make any other deal…Other teams won’t be able to wait for JS to get into serious negotiations with such a short amount of time to go…

The blog and its denizens are in desperate need of their esteemed leader…We all know how tired and busy he is, but hopefully he will surprise us with a quick check-in and some really good news!

Regards,

Jason

By KC

July 31, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

GOSH I WISH THERE WERE SOME INDICATION AS TO WHEN THE TEX DEAL WILL BE OFFICIAL!!!

Can anyone at least give us some idea as to when these medical formalities will be concluded?!

I hope this doesn’t hang up the Dotel deal. I doubt we’ll get Arroyo, but I’m still hoping.

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

TIC TAC TIC TAC

By DAP

July 31, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

a nickname… how about “The Crazy Eight” …or some variation?

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Gil in Mechanicsville,

I like Davies more than a lot of people. I do think he’ll become a solid major league pitcher. But it’s easy to understand the frustration. He hasn’t just been bad, he’s been awful; worse than even a lot of pitchers who were still learning.

By Shaun

July 31, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

KC,

Mets rotation may be better but I think the Braves now have the better offense. The Braves may not need to pitch better than the Mets from here on out.

Remember, the goal isn’t to have a better offense or rotation or bullpen than anyone; to be better in all aspects of the game (although that obviously isn’t a bad thing). The goal is to outscore your opponents more often than anyone.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 31, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

I think it is apparent that Liberty Media has increased payroll at least for the immediate future. As I said yesterday, it makes more sense for them to pour a little extra cash into the team so that it would make them immediately better. A better team generally means better revenue. A move like getting Teixeira rejuvenates the fan base and brings more folks to the stadium. If Libery Media indeed only plans to keep the team for a couple of years it is in their best interest to make the team as good as possible to increase its value. Look at what the Tribune Co. did with the Cubs. They wasted no time or money to make the team better and will now sell that team for a boatload of money.

I don’t think Liberty Media will give the Braves a $110 or $120 mil payroll like back in the day but a payroll of about $95 mil or so is very possible.

By Margie G

July 31, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Who is going to be our back up catcher now???? I enjoyed having Salty on the team. Besides seeming to be a nice guy, being able to play two positions, (pretty well I might add) he also had the longest name of current MLB players. He will be missed.

By Bob, Journalist

July 31, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

DirtyDawg, were you graduated? … most would give you a failing grade for not having done your home work.

My biggest fear with acquiring Tex is what I will call the Frenchy contagion factor … will we now have Tex, Andruw, Hoss, Jeff, Brian, Edgar, Kelly, and Matt all trying to hit long fly balls instead of besting the pitcher?

My only real concerns are with Tex, Andruw and Frenchy … trying too hard, for different reasons.

By Chris

July 31, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

I love this deal. We have overplayed our hands in the past with prospects (see Wilson Betemit) and held onto them too long. Salty is a nice player and might turn into a star, but there is no place for him in the lineup and Texiera is a proven star who should be in his prime with the Braves if they extend his contract.

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

The Dirty dozen, that leaves woodward out of it as he would be #13(you see…… he is bad luck to us)

By Will

July 31, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

I hope they bat Texiera 4th because pitchers are already pitching around Chipper and WANTING to face Andruw Jones. They have been going after him and will continue too no matter who is hitting behind him. I can see Texiera coming up after a Andruw patented 5-4-3 double play way too often.

By Bob

July 31, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

DOB on 790 right now. He is happy with the trade. Gave up a lot to get a lot. He thinks we are getting Dotel, but doubts if we get a starter. He doesn’t think there is a starter out there who is worth the price that teams would be asking.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 31, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Bob, I don’t think all of those guys try to hit homeruns. I guarantee that Chipper could have 10 more homers if he wanted to but he doesn’t want to hurt his avg and obp. Same thing with Frenchy. He could easily have 25 HRS right now but his average would be 35 points lower….at least. By the way when will Francoeur get his due? He has made long strides in his development as a hitter. He way more patient and uses a lot more intelligence in his approach to hitting. Sure, his homers have diminished but that is to be expected. I fully anticipate him putting it ALL together next season.

By Carolina Lady

July 31, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

SERBOK, that was the key to get out….. :-)

KC, chill! It depends on who is reading the medical records - if it is someone like Shaun, it may never be settled! :-)

SJA, your farm scenario should have been understandable by even the most challenged blog reader. Well done!

Would bet that Teixeiro will be “kid” for a while…..

Can’t wait for tonight’s game!!

By Carolina Lady

July 31, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Bob, appreciate the 11:28 report. Those of us outside of Atlanta/Georgia don’t get that info unless someone relays it to us. Thanks!

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Paladin, TEX number will not go down in atl. They will up at least slightly.

Overlord Did you read my post? It had nothing to do with baseball numbers.

And, in case you have not read my other posts: I am all for the trade and the Braves acquiring Tex. And, I too, think he will put up good “numbers” here in Atlanta.

By Braves Fan Chris22

July 31, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

From MLB.com:

Red Sox traded Joel Pineiro and cash considerations to the Cardinals for a PTBNL.

Looks like today could be a big day.

By TexasBrave

July 31, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Mr. Bob, Journalist

I am not quite understanding your thinking along the lines that the rest of the team will be pressing to hit the long ball now that Tex is aboard. If anything I think it takes some of the pressure off them to produce. Now they can be more relaxed and do what each does best. In my mind I see Tex coming to town as a boost to everyone especially Chipper, Andruw, Frenchy and McCann for different reasons.

If I am wrong please educate me oh esteemed one. :)

By Thrillhouse44

July 31, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the info, Bob.

I feel a Braves’ win tonight, guys!

By Bob

July 31, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

CarolinaLady,

NP. Dave went on to say that he firmly believes that the Braves have the best lineup in the NL, if not all of MLB. Not many lineups have someone like KJ hitting 8th, although of course we don’t know for sure where he will bat. He went on to say that the addition of Mahay was critical and that he thinks the only reason we get Dotel is the relationship that the GMs have with each other. He did not seem to think we would get a starter but did not dismiss it altogether. I imagine DOB will be on the blog sooner than later to speak for himself.

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Sorry Paladin i was refering to Shauns posted message and it was close to yours, i got confuse….. an apology…….. this was Shauns message:

**Here are the important stats (courtesy of espn.com):

Braves 1B - .211 AVG/.270 OBP/.363 SLG

Teixeira - .297 AVG/.397 OBP/.524 SLG

Tex’s numbers will go down some in Atlanta but it’s ridiculous to even suggest this is not a dramatic improvement.**

By sri

July 31, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

From a chat on ESPN: Chris (Long Island, NY): Is the Dotel trade to the Braves official yet? Jonah Keri: (10:04 AM ET ) Not official yet. What I heard (and let me preface this by saying that I’m not Jayson Stark, phone glued to my ear 24/7, by a long shot) is that Davies could be the PTBNL in the Teixeira deal if Matt Harrison’s injury is deemed too serious. Probably wouldn’t squash the Dotel deal, would just mean that the Braves would ante up a different, comparable prospect.

By Adirondackdave

July 31, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Not concerned at all about a Tex “attitude.” Remember Sheff? He brought an attitute reputation and was a model productive citizen while he was here. Bobby and JS know what they are doing. Still concerned about pitching through. Four hours to go. Hope springs eternal.

By Ken

July 31, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

I think this trade was STUPID. It is akin to the stupid trade we made for Lofton. We just gave up a lot for a rent-a-player. Salty was good at first and getting better, and he still could have been a back-up catcher. We have others who could have stepped in and played first base. Stupid trade. Time will tell who’s right, and I think it’s me.

By Salty

July 31, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Why would Texiera’s #’s go down? Doesn’t he have protection now that he lacked in Texas…regardless of the ballpark?

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

…I am wrong please educate me oh esteemed one.

TexasBrave Get your pencil ready. It will probably be a long one. :-)

By Will

July 31, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

If DOB is saying Braves now have the best lineup in MLB i wanna see it!! Tommorow is Aug 1, it is getting too late to keep claiming this and that about the Braves, they need results. I am very enthused to get Texiera, but there is no reason to run around claiming they have the best lineup in baseball when you are 4 1/2 games out of first! I wanna see results!

By Alan

July 31, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Don’t have a problem with Andrus but Salty looked as though he might have made a decent 1Bman. He can hit and will only get better with experience.

If Teixeira stays then it’s OK. If not it could be a real no-no. As for Mahay…is this another in the long line of hopeless bullpen signings?.

The team needs a starter. Jo Jo is one for the future not now. Carlyle has done magnificently but once teams lay off his high heater and he has to come down in the strike zone [as SF did] he’s in trouble.

By JJ

July 31, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

No prospect is ever guaranteed to become a star. Tex already is. Get one or two more pitchers and they should be enough to catch and pass the Mets. Good to be back in the playoffs. Only one year in the last 16 has John and Bobby not produced.

By DAP

July 31, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

The Braves definetly need more pitching! this trade is great but hopefully not the last move. my opinion is that the braves need either a reliever OR and starter. both would be awesome! but to me, the desired effect is to ease strain on our bullpen, because THAT is where weve been letting games get away recently! a reliable reliver would provide stability in the bullpen, and a starter that could go at least 7 every night would ease the stress of the bullpen. also, if bobby just lets his starters work, and not take them out the minute they hit the magic pitch count or a it becomes a save situation, that will be good to. get both bronson AND Dotel, but get at least one of them.

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Overlord OK, dude, no sweat. I knew from reading your other posts that you had better sense than that. And I agree with your post as an answer to Shaun’s.

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 31, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Thank you kind Carolina Lady…

Wayne in Ute—TheJackAss has several good ideas when it comes to dealing with punks who are cruel to children, to the elderly, and to helpless animals…expounding on those ideas here would merely serve to earn TheJackAss a sudden and swift banishment from this AJC blog…but at the very least…TheJackAss would like to slam a couple size 17EEE Wolverines right into the piehole of any A$sClown that mistreats a child, an elderly person, or an animal…and then proceed to stomp the innards right out of ‘em…and that’s the truth…

Paladin—all is well…and there’s baseball to boot…

By Bdawg

July 31, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

This was a great deal! Getting Tex was a good move, and we got a veteran LH relief pitcher to boot. All we need now is a starting pitcher like Willis or Contreres or Arroyo. Then we’d be a team to reckon with.

By Bob

July 31, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Will,

Chill dude. Dave said he BELIEVES the Braves have the best lineup because of addition. The guy hasn’t played a game yet so how could they have proved anything yet? He was asked his opinion and he gave it. Simple as that.

By Clyde Jackson

July 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Little Johnny Sure of Nothing has done it again.

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

The biggest thing on this trade is that i believe in chain reaction stuff. Is not what TEX alone does for the braves, but what his presence means or translates into (this is iff AJ hits down in the lineup).

I mean, Renteria and Chipper were already tearing the ball, and all that was with no protection on 4th spot. So this is a HUGE PLUS. Then this will take a lot of pressure off Jeff and Brian since the job will be done before they get to bat (AJ was not doing the job, even if his numbers say he will reach 100 RBI, less than half of those had any meaning, most of them on blowouts or already lots causes).

Then since i think more times than not we will score more often and earlier in the game, this will reduce pressure on starting pitching and in bullpen, a bullpen already upgraded with this trade too.

And if the Dotel trade (long shot) gets done, this offense will be so relaxed knowing pitching is stronger, that it will make them perform better.

Resume, Pshycology is part of any daily activity, and the confidence team gains with this help is a boost on phycology, and in result much better performance from everybody but woodward (the guy just needs to find another thing to do in life).

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

SJA It helped to make sure you knew I am “elderly”, didn’t it? :-)

Will If you are “enthused to get” T-e-i-x-e-i-r-a the first thing you need to do is learn to spell his name. You are not one who still refers to AJ as A-n-d-E-w, are you?

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

I heard TEX is supposed not to perform as good as he did in texas because he was changing leagues and he was coming to a pitchers friendly park. I heard this on MLB radio.

Thing they are wrong since as this park is huge, it has big gaps to fill, and yes, he is changing leagues, but as they say, he is coming to a weaker league more mediocre. Plus he is coming to a team in which he will be protected, around better hitters, so he will see more strikes than he saw in texas.

By Overlord

July 31, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

From MLB Radio

Betemit is already in pinstripes as a trade with dodgers for Proctor. They are wondering if this means ARod is leaving after year ends or if he is gonna play 1b or DH.

By Renegator

July 31, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Betemit to Yankees for Scott Proctor.

By Will

July 31, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Bob, All i am saying is i am just getting tired of all the talk about the Braves, its time for results. I get on here Saturday night and all i read is how the Braves are a better team then the DBacks, but yet they lost both games!! The time for talk is over.

Paladin, thanks for the heads up, but i hope you are not trying to be a smart a* cause its a simple mistake, and no i do not refer to andruw jones by andrew.

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Also, I saw somewhere back in blogdom where an individual—claiming to be a dawg—said some derogatory things about the Braves getting Tex, because he went to Tech.

Well, I’m a dyed-in-the-wool Dawg, but I wouldn’t care if it was a ringed-tail baboon that went to Swamp Univ., it’s what he can do for the Braves, now! So, as long as Tex doesn’t want to wear a white and gold uniform, he’s cool with me.

By Bob

July 31, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Will,

Understand. I agree that too many folks overreact and think illogically. The D’Backs were a very hot team and took it to us. Plus, you know baseball is so hard to predict by individual games. The Royals have dominated the Red Sox this year and there have been years when Tampa Bay made the Yanks miserable.

I think we now have the best lineup in the league, but that sure as hell does not guarantee anything. I think we have been given the opportunity to succeed. We will have to see how it works out. I hope the results are what we all hope for.

By TampaBrave

July 31, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Shaun, Agree on Davies.

Glad you see the wisdom of scoring enough runs to win the game. Hopefully, we’ll see less of those 3 or less games and chalk up some victories where we have been losing much too often. We’ll, in effect give the BP some breathing room.

By Paladin

July 31, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Ok Will, my “bad”. Carry on.

By Bob

July 31, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Paladin,

Semper Fi man. I too am a Dawg and I don’t care if he went to Teheran U. Tech has produced lots of great MLB players and where they went to school is not even on the radar screen.

By Austin

July 31, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Braves vs. Mets Lineup (Head to head posistion including 5 stats, AVG,HR,RBI,OBP,Runs)

Catcher Brian McCann .266BA 11 HR 315 OBP 59 RBI 32 Runs Loduca .270BA 5 HR 313 OBP 23 RBI 36 Runs Winner:McCann 3-2

1st Base Tex .297 BA 13 HR 397 OBP 49 RBI 48 Runs Delgado .252 BA 17 HR 323 OBP 58 RBI 51 Runs Winner:Delgado 3-2 (Because Tex’s injury)

2nd Base KJ/Escobar .302 BA 11 HR 373 OBP 62 RBI 85 Runs Castillo 304 BA 0 HR 356 OBP 18 RBI 54 Runs Winner:KJ/Escobar 4-1

I stopped when I realized Wright would beat Chipper.Haha

By The Grinch

July 31, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Morning, all! Sorry I’ve been gone so much, but I got my equipment too close and electrocuted myself (yes, Paladin, I was pressed all the way up against it; don’t ask).

Journalist Jimmy Smith, do you think our new first baseman has anything to fear from Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top? “Lawd take me downtown; I’m just lookin’ for some Tush.”

Shaun, did you say you think this might make the team exciting? I see I misjudged your capacity for such things. :-)

Savannah Guy, e-mail me at voton1066@yahoo.com and I’ll forward it to Paladin.

By TexasBrave

July 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Tex to Atlanta now official. Davies not part of the deal. Free to go to KC for Dotel.

By TexasBrave

July 31, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Dotel for Davies now official according to ESPN.

By #1bravesfan

July 31, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

i have to be the most giddy 20 yr old young man in atlanta right now. i love the braves and adding a star first baseman in tex and dotel coming in 2 relieve the ageing wickman. hell yes. way to go JS. i will be there 2nite 2 welcome tex. we will be putting another red flag up @ the begining of next year.

By #1bravesfan

July 31, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

i have to be the most giddy 20 yr old young man in atlanta right now. i love the braves and adding a star first baseman in tex and dotel coming in 2 relieve the ageing wickman. hell yes. way to go JS. i will be there 2nite 2 welcome tex. we will be putting another red flag up @ the begining of next year.

By #1bravesfan

July 31, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

i have to be the most giddy 20 yr old young man in atlanta right now. i love the braves and adding a star first baseman in tex and dotel coming in 2 relieve the ageing wickman. hell yes. way to go JS. i will be there 2nite 2 welcome tex. we will be putting another red flag up @ the begining of next year.

By The Grinch

July 31, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Now we in bidness, fo’ sho’. All hail JS!

Now, time to get some work done (especially since as soon as I make a long post DOB will return with a new blog).

By Dr. R

July 31, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

It’s a good trade. It’s refreshing to have a GM who wants to win now and not make us wait three years (like the Pirates and Marlins, et al). Maybe it helps that he and Bobby are 66 and don’t want to wait forever. Neither do I; I shell out money for a ticket to see the team win TODAY, not three years from now. Screw the future. It’s sad, though, that so many Braves fans get attached to their apple-cheeked hunky little prospects (mostly women who still wearing their Javy Lopez jerseys). It’s about winning, today, not collecting prospects. What would you rather have: A house full of virgins or one woman who knows how to please you? OK, bad metaphor, but you get my point.

By TexasBrave

July 31, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

ESPN now reporting that along with Salty the Braves are shipping 4 minor leagers including someone called Bo Jones? I hope they are not talking about Brandon Jones. Is there anyone here that thinks 4 prospect is 2 to many for Tex and a 36 year old reliever no matter how well he is doing? I want Tex and the reliever but I think we are paying way too much.

Now since Dotel is a Brave, who gets sent down? Paronto, Moylan or Yates? I think Moylan and Yates still have options but both have been studs. I don’t know if Chad has options but in my book he is the lesser of the three.

By AZ Braves Fan

July 31, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

mlbtraderumors.com is reporting Arroyo may be headed to ATL for Jo Jo and Escobar….

And yep, I caught the Bravos here in Phx on Sun. Hudson was awesome. I’m looking forward to a post-season trip back home to May-retta in October….

By The Insider

July 31, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Got Royce Ring from Pads for LEdezma and Startup

By bravesfan

July 31, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Teixeira and Mahay are not expected to be in Atlanta for tonight’s game, when the Braves open a three-game series with the Houston Astros. Teixeira will uniform number 24 for the Braves, while Mahay will wear number 49.

By Greg Terrell

July 31, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

This is great for the braves this year and in the future they will get more MLB playing time and we all know the Royals will give these kids back in a few years Hope our new owners keep doing the right thing unlike Time warner……. This is great!!!

By bob

July 31, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

I heard that the Tex deal was done a week ago and Bud sat on the papers until after the HOF ceremony…possibly not to take anything away from the HOF class by having a blockbuster trade right before???? That would make sense becuase Salty hadn’t played for about a week as well which was easily accomplished with the addition of Franco and his decently hot bat. Tex would have to play to stay visible and give the appearance that nothing had happened yet…

Just a theory.

By Jeff R

July 31, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Shaun, there’s no always, but pitching is the surest way to contend, year in and year out. It is also the way teams are more likely to stay in games.

With the Braves #4 and #5 starters routinely spotting the opposition 4, 5, 6 runs, it makes the job of Braves hitters all the harder. (And, by the way, management didn’t find a way prior to the trade deadline of shoring up the 4 or 5 spots in the rotation. That will continue to be the team’s great weakness).

Start keeping count of how many games Tex actually wins for the Braves. Not nearly as many as a solid rotation and a strong bullpen could.

By Bonnie Bish

July 31, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

We gave up way too much for a 36 year old first baseman.

Our Braves will not make the playoffs unless JS gets us a solid starting pitcher.

We have a lot of power in our lineup without Tex, if they all hit the way we know they can.

Andruw has had a very bad year, for whatever reason..I still think Andruw will have a lot of RBI’s when this season is over..

MAM

By Ray Kelsey

July 31, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

Bonnie, Mahay is 36. Tex is around 28 (I think). Does anyone know much about this Royce Ring guy we just got in return for the embattled Ledezma? Ring’s numbers look pretty decent, but he hasn’t played much. I am thrilled about our acquisitions, but wish we could have squeezed Arroyo out of the Red’s, too.

And now let me just say this once and speak my peace…

If Bobby bats Tex anywhere other than 4th, he will offically lose my utmost respect, because it will have said to me that his allegiance to one player’s ego is as important as winning the race to the post. Please heed Chipper’s advice and put a switch hitting threat behind him, Bobby. Andruw will be okay batting 5th or 6th (or even 8th). The three headed monster, Renteria, Chipper, Tex, is as formidable a 2, 3, 4 you’ll see for a long time. And hopefully here in Atlanta in 08 and 09.

By Fred34

July 31, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

I guess it’s time for Braves scouts to prospectin’ again. The mine is empty.

By Gayle Abbott

July 31, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Talk about rolling the dice! Trading the future for one last shot. If the Braves don’t do it this year, that will be it. They will go down as another one hit (1995) wonder. It won’t matter if Teixeira stays after next season. Smoltz, Hampton, Chipper, Bobby and Scherholz will follow Andruw out of town. Those who only remember the string of 14 consecutive division titles (only one championship) will learn about the 100-loss seasons that those of us who were here in the 70’s and 80’s remember.

By Adirondackdave

July 31, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Sure, would have been nice to get a starter but, on balance, these deals have improved the Braves for this run and ‘08. Today, at least, the Braves and Red Sox are winners and the Mets, Phillies, and Yanks are losers. I’m not gonna complain about that!

By Ron

July 31, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

It’s a steal. Salty will be a good hitter but he’s not a good catcher. Certainly not as good as McCann. Elvis can’t hit at all. Matt Harrison is just a prospect. Tex is a reliable, consistent hitter with equal power from either side of the plate, and a gold glover to boot. Hopefully Liberty will up the ante, and use the money we save on Andruw to sign Tex long term.

By Willy

July 31, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

I must help Braves fans with their short memory. This team does not know how to win in the post season. The names on the jerseys might change, but as long as the team mantains the long standing brain trust, any venture into the post season - if it were to happen - will be short lived.

For those who need their memories refreshed, here is the record for this team since its sole World Series Championship in 1995.

Division Series: 5-5 lost last 4 League Championship 2-3 World Series (1996, 1999) 0-2

As a matter of fact, the Braves have not won a single World Series Game since the infamous home run by Jim Leyritz off Mark Wohlers in Game 3 of the 1996 World Series.

This is a team that simply does not know how to win in the post season. Die hard fans, say what you want, but the scoreboard does not lie. As long as Cox and Scherholz run this team, there will never be another championship.