Braves

By Bubbaallred

July 24, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Nice to see you sitting by Mark from MLB.com

I always refresh after a game to see which recap I can read first.

By gant #5

July 24, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

WHO-LEE-O

By TennesseePaul

July 24, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the updates DOB.

GO BRAVES!!

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

“McCann had a three-run double in Monday’s 4-2 win and has a .324 average with six doubles, six homers and 22 RBIs in his past 20 games, with a .385 OBP and 1.047 OPS in that span.”

Then DOB, could you please explain to me why Cox decides to sit him in favor of Saltalamacchia on Sunday when Franco started at 1B against a right-hander??? And don’t give me the “occassional day off” garbage, cuz McCann had just got the day off on Thursday. Hey, here’s a thought: Maybe we are ahead by more than 1 run in the 8th inning in that Sunday game against the Cards if say, oh I don’t know, our hottest hitter was in the lineup instead of JULIO FRANCO! Salty should have played 1st base in that game with McCann catching. It was a righty (Brad Thompson) who has already given up 16HR’s this year in like 90 innings. Julio Franco should have never started in that game (in fact he shouldn’t be starting ANY games) I don’t care about “seeing what he’s got left”; we are barely over .500 and still 3 games out of a playoff spot. You “see what somebody’s got left” when you are LEADING the division, not trailing…

By Jared

July 24, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Livan Hernandez, Jose Contrares (or however you spell it) Matt Morris, etc. are worthless. What’s the point of getting a starter who is not a clear improvment?

Saltalamacchia for Ian Snell. Get it done Schuerholz.

By GermanBravesFan

July 24, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB… didn’t you say you saw Bruce Springsteen observing a show in Atlanta? Seems like the reason for his being in ATL is out: a new album with the E Street Band is imminent!

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Wow, that felt good to get out… I almost never (in fact I think I’ve done it only once before) criticize Bobby Cox; but benching McCann for basically Julio Franco on Sunday against a HR proned right-hander was ridiculous….

By dave

July 24, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

DonCoburleone Actually we are only 1 game out of a playoff spot. We’re 1 game behind San Diego in the Wild Card.

By rambothe4th

July 24, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

I heard Bonds’s head is so big he puts his shirts on feet first.

Too bad Griffey was hurt for half his career. I would’ve loved to see him take the hr record…

By Shaun

July 24, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion),

The point is Renteria or Michael Young or Ian Kinsler would be on the bench if Renteria was traded to Texas. Why in the world would Texas trade for Renteria? If you can give me a good reason, maybe you’re on to something. I just don’t see it.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

And DOB, do you know if Cox is going to start McCann tonight? Or does Cox still want to see more of what Franco’s “got left”? I swear, if he doesn’t have McCann and Salty starting tonight against soft-tossing righty Matt Morris I’m gonna boycott the rest of this series!…. Okay, that’s it, I’m done with that now.

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

I share the same sentiments about his not making the record against Hank Aaron’s home team. Tim Hudson should have paid close attention to Smotlz and Soriano last night because they threw the ball in places that made it difficult for Bonds. He is at home and I know he wants it there so if we can tip through this mindfield, I don’t want to hear another complaint from anyone about anything. LOL It is just that the likelihood of it not happening during this series is slim and it give me pause knowing I am facing something like this for many years to come it will be reported over and over. On trivia game shows, on broadcast country wide showing our jerseys and the hype. The already bias announcers that are still bitter that the braves stopped them when they played with eat this us. Our veterans deserve not to end their careers with the record books showing this S)!+

By Matt in SF

July 24, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Hey Dave…I’ll be at the Giants game tonight Sec 112 row 32, seat 11….Id love to talk some Braves baseball with you at the game. DIE HARD Braves fan living in the Bay Area…

GO BRAVES

By MurphyRules

July 24, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Since everyone else has thrown out their crazy trade ideas, I’ll throw out mine: Salty, Reyes, Devine and Harrison to the Rangers for Teixeira and Millwood.

We get a proven first baseman who we can sign longterm after Andruw leaves. We also get a solid No. 3/4 pitcher who can eat up innings (don’t know his contract status). And you give the Rangers a boatload of pretty good young pitching, which they need.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

And DOB forgive me if you already addressed this on the other blog, but I noticed in like the 5th & 6th inning last night Smoltz was doing that shoulder stretching thing again on the mound (what he was doing in the couple games before he went on the DL). Did you have a chance to talk to Smoltz after the game last night? Did he say it was bothering him at all???

By Shaun

July 24, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts,

To continue… Actually the GM didn’t mention cash stipulations. Maybe he thought there should be some, maybe he thought there shouldn’t. Seems like Rosenthal was just expanding on the GM’s basic thought and giving some background info. The GM only took it halfway, Rosenthal took it the rest of the way.

I just have a hard time believing that there wouldn’t be cash stipulations if it were a straight-up deal, considering the Braves would be giving up a younger, cheaper player who would have value for the next decade and getting a more expensive, older guy that could be gone after next year.

The Braves would require something to help cushion the blow of losing a player that is going to help a team for 8, 10, 12 years down the line that is not them.

By Loser Met fan who lives in his Mom's basement

July 24, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Yes, yes. As a Mets fan, I would love to see you trade for Contreras and Livan. Yes, get them both.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

By Big ballparks fan

July 24, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

David — Are your ballpark rankings accessible somewhere? I must have missed it.

By Colin

July 24, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Last night game was a great show of baseball. Its nice to have Soriano pitch an inning without giving up a homerun. Smoltz pitched a gem, and Wickman pitch a great 9th. Also Who-lee-ohhh had a good game. Lets keep it going tonight against Morris. Very true Salty, and McCann should be in the lineup as well as Diaz i feel he needs some ab’s other than one just pinch hit.

   **Go Braves**

By Matt in SF (oasisbraves)

July 24, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

you might have seen me last night…sitting behind homeplate with my Smoltz Jersey on….I was probly the only one standing clappnig and screaming and cheering for John each time he walked off the mound.

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Loved the lyrics!

Dave, it seems Bobby is trying to see what Julio can do before the Braves pull the trigger on additional 1B help. (Tex, Klesko, Conine)

You are correct, PacBell park is great! What a contrast from there to Candlestick!!!

By BG

July 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Why did Bobby sit McCann on Sunday? While McCann did have Thursday off, he also caught 15 innings in the Wednesday marathon game. I expect that Bobby wanted to split the catching duty between the night game in Atlanta followed by the flight to SF and another game. Bobby (& Hudson among others) have complained about the travel being a grind and it is probably especially tough on catchers. With Smoltz pitching in SF, Salty caught Sunday night & McCann on Monday night.

So, the timing doesn’t seem that strange for giving McCann a breather.

By Josh C

July 24, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

DOB I’d feel the same way if assigned to cover this series. Between Bonds, Vick/Pacman/Bengals, and the NBA ref it’s getting harder and harder for me to justify spending my money on(and teaching my kid to love) pro sports. I grew up in Atlanta with Murph, Hubbard, Pendleton, The Big Three, Dominique, Scott Case, Jessie Tuggle, Gerald Riggs. Thank god we still have Smoltz and Dunn in this town. I think B-Mac and Frenchy will be leaders as well.

As a small side note, I’d suggest pulling Chuck James’ 8-7, 3.58 if you’re going to pull out Carlyle’s numbers. Indicates what we all said… that we need one more guy…

By Mets Rule. You Drool

July 24, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Paladin’s back from voting. Everybody can take a sigh of relief now. He graces us with his presence. Please be sure and tell us if you need to use the bathroom now. ROTFL

By Colin

July 24, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, I hear the Braves are the front-runner to get Tex, do you think they should or get bullpen help like Marte or Dotel and Grienke? Smoltz has to stay healthy i dont mind Bobby getting him out after 6 or 7 but not Chucky or Jo-Jo let them win or lose the game on there own. Soriano wow what a change of events, i thought for sure 754 here we come when Bonds got up and he was on the mound. Nice night from everyone.

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Willie Harris’ 6-6 had bought him some more time. Let’s hope he keeps it up, although I do have my doubts.

Would love to see Diaz get a few more AB’s.

Also, it sounds like to me that Salty is gone. Why keep him now, IF you can get what you need for him. He is probably not the answer at first base, or else he would be there more frequently I think.

Only way you don’t trade NaCl now is if you CAN’T get fair value in the positions needed for him this summer.

Hate to see the kid go though.

By Jared

July 24, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Big ballparks fan,

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/entries/2007/01/12/sulliedbarryp.html

By Josh GT

July 24, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I imagine that if you throw out Davies’ and Redman’s records and add in Reyes, those pitching stats don’t look so bad. I understand that we’re working with a limited sample set with Jo Jo, but right now, I’m more worried about the bullpen. Does McDowell have any thoughts on what is going on with Soriano? As Cox said the other day, his velocity seems okay, so that would indicate that it’s not from being overworked. Is it a mental thing? Have his mechanics changed? Thanks for the great blogs!

By N8

July 24, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

MurphyRules

“Since everyone else has thrown out their crazy trade ideas, I’ll throw out mine: Salty, Reyes, Devine and Harrison to the Rangers for Teixeira and Millwood.”

If we’re gonna make THAT trade, Gagne has to be thrown in (with some cash for Millwoods over-bloated contract), as well. That deal might be sacrifice some future. But if JS truely wants to win NOW, that deal might get it done.

Not sure I’d do it. But I wouldn’t freak out as long as Tex got signed long term.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 24, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

DOB I have a story for you, many years ago when Sly and the Family Stone were a hot ticket, they did a sold out show at the Richmond Coliseum. he finally showed up after being 45 minutes late. He did two songs. That’s right two. He was blitzed out of his mind and was horrible. He then flipped off the crowd with the Hawaiian good luck sign and said fk y and left the stage never to be seen again. No refunds no apologies, nothing. Just I got your money and gone. Don’t waste the ink on that worthless piece of dung.

I am trying very hard to be civil today but I am not doing very well am I?

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Josh C.

Dunn plays for the Reds, not for the Braves. I have to go take a p** everyone. Be back in a few minutes.

By Ron Roberts

July 24, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Shaun… dude, let go, man. Seriously. Stop.

One rival general manager says that if he were in the Braves’ position, he would do Saltalamacchia-for-Teixeira straight up

What about that sentence makes you think otherwise???

And wtF do you mean when you say “The GM only took it halfway, Rosenthal took it the rest of the way”? Dude, the thought is that of the G.M. You’re ASSuming that the guy had more to say, or that the GM and Rosenthal are so tight that they finish each other’s sentences.

You feel there should be more to the statement, Shaun. You. And that’s fine, and I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but for the love of God, dude, you CANNOT presume to know what the unnamed GM quoted by Ken Rosenthal was getting at other than what the GM actually freakin’ said, dude.

And now you have Saltalamacchia helping the team for 8-10-12 years, now I see. Wow, that’s amazing that you have that kind of clairvoyance. Please. You’re the same blogger who said you believed he’d probably be dealt in the offseason more likely than now. You replying to people who feel contrary to your opinion would be alright if you’d just once in awhile type something like “we’ll agree to disagree,” or “I feel differently, but respect your opinion,” and drop it.

Didn’t I try this with you a few days ago? You do this with everybody here, man, and it’s completely clouded the judgment people have of you. Dude, you bring up some valid stats, studies, points, etc., but this facet of what you bring to the blog is dumbfoundingly annoying. You will argue a point into the ground, whether there’s a clear right or wrong. Let it go.

By macdwolfpack

July 24, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Dave it would be interesting to see the numbers on the rotation if you put those up without Mark Redman and Kyle Davies in that equation. It wouldnt’ be nearly as bad as everyone would think, in fact the rotation numbers would be more than adequate. Which is why I don’t see the need for a SP as much as most people do. Do you have those numbers?

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 24, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

DOB, thanks for the response to my question in the last blog. Appreciate the thought that went into it. Reading and sometimes particpating with you and the denizens has made this a very enjoyable baseball season up to this point. Keep up the great work and screw Barroid. No matter how many *Bonds hits, the Hammer is the greatest of all time.

By Interested Observer

July 24, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

I wonder if Julio is playing so much because the Braves don’t want Salty to get hurt before…oh say.. July 31st?

By Scoff

July 24, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

N8

3 proven veterans for 4 prospects? I do not think the Rangers would give all these players for our prospects. Nor could the braves afford that now and would ruin their future.

By wowbobwow

July 24, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

DOB, wondering if you can get the scoop on the little conversation between Smoltz and Bonds after slugger’s ground out in the 6th last night. Seemed like a very classy show of mutual respect from two guys nearing the end. Would love to know what they said to each other there.

You should have enought time to get over to Slim’s tonight to see Hank III, IMO. If the game can get by at a reasonable pace, you should be in good shape. He’ll probably go on around 11, maybe 10:30 at the earliest. Slim’s is right around the corner from the ballpark. Between Folsom and Harrison on 11th. You’ve got proximity on your side my man!

Too bad thursday’s Grinderman show at the Great American is sold out. That place is a national treasure! Go in the future if the opportunity arrises.

By AthensBrave

July 24, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Any word on how the Braves feel about the lefty reliever Will Startup?

In 40 games this year for AAA Richmond he’s posted a 3-2 record w/ a 2.35 ERA, and a 1.15 whip.

I don’t know what the whip means, but that sounds pretty good.

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Warrick Dunn….

By Renegator

July 24, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Don C:

Get ready to boycott because DOB has already told us that Julio is starting the next two games in SF.

By MurphyRules

July 24, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

I don’t think the trade would ruin the Braves’ future, but, yes, they’d have to make it with the idea of signing Tex longterm. I don’t think we need Gagne to even it out, but some money for Millwood would be nice.

Yes, Salty is going to be a good one. But as far as Reyes, Devine and Harrison go, they’re very unproven.

What we get in return is a Gold Glove first baseman who can hit cleanup for the next 8-10 years and a pitcher who can help us win a pennant THIS YEAR. A bonus is that Tex would put some butts in the stands with his Tech ties.

Make that trade and a minor one for a lefty reliever and the Braves are as good as (if not better than) any team in the NL.

By trade rumors

July 24, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

The Braves have set their sights on Erik Bedard of the Orioles. They are currently negotiating on prospects. Basically the Braves get Bedard while the O’s get Renteria, Salty, and Davies (or Reyes)

I think a more simple trade like Salty for Snell would be much more effective

By Scoff

July 24, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

WHIP (walks plus hits per inning pitched)

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 24, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Another minor league update. Sigh, Manny Acosta, the tall lanky Panamanian right hander who I had been so high on earlier was a big disappointment yesterday. he still has good stuff but he had extreme difficulty in finding Mr. Strike Zone and allowed the tying run to score in the top of the ninth. He backed into a win as the home team pulled his bacon out of the fire with a stirring rally in the bottom of the ninth but with so many scouts in attendance his look of dejection was evident despite his team mates attempts to cheer him up at the end of the game.

We already have relievers in Atlanta who cannot get it over the plate and there is no room for one more. Maybe just a bad day for him. he was after all the Richmond Braves only representative to the AAA All Star game. At only 23 he still has a bright future but he is not there yet. Joey Devine by the way looked very sharp. If he is not traded I fully expect him to be with Atlanta full time next year.

Now, a kid in the Detroit organization to keep an eye on…. Young shortstop named Erick Almonte. Good looking player who is 29. This might be his last opportunity as the time clock is ticking for him but he looks very polished at short and can hit.

By jed

July 24, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

i’m no fan of bonds, but i do think way too much of the steroid scandal is being thrown at his feet. people act like it’s a surprise that players were taking steroids in the 90s, but it was readily apparent at the time. MLB knew it, owners knew it, and most of the fans knew it. now that the problem’s come home to roost in a big way—bonds & his uber-cranium passing folk hero hammerin’ hank—selig wont even make an appearance at the record-breaking game. look…MLB can wash its hands of bonds all it wants, but MLB is every bit as responisible for the steroid problem as the players are. (more so, i would say.) selig oughta cut his losses, suck it up, be there when the record’s broken, shake bonds’ hand and go home.

By ryan bauer

July 24, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

athens braves- whip means walks plus hits per inning pitched so a 1.15 whip is really pretty solid the lower the better.

By Scoff

July 24, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

MurphyRules- good point, bringing Tex would draw more fans to the game. I’m from Charleston, SC and watch the games all the time on TV for years and there always seems to be a light crowd.

By Renegator

July 24, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Paladin: Josh C is talking about Warrick Dunn who plays for the Falcons and is a very classy guy.

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Athens Brave BC doesn’t put ANY rookie pitcher into a position of prominance (lefty specialist for Will Startup). That doesn’t mean he couldn’t help the team though.

N8 Has any Scott Bore-us client NOT filed for free agency? (Not making a statement, but asking the question)

By JasonInMaine

July 24, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

trade rumors…what are you on?

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 24, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

AthensBrave I don’t know if you saw my post about him last night or not but I think he is going to be the next big thing. He needs only to develop an off speed pitch but the wife and I were very impressed with what we saw yesterday. he is a bona fide major leaguer in the making.

He reminds me of a young Mike Stanton, high leg kick and very quick delivery to the plate and a good pick off move to first. And oh, did I mention he’s a lefty.

Lots of scouts in the stands yesterday and they all sat up and took notice when he pitched, all taking notes like crazy.

Love minor league ball, where else can you see the game up close without having to mortgage your house.

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

DOB, yes you are somewhat jaded. Managing a blog is enough to do that…add paper deadlines and, kaploof… jaded. And with those lyrics, look for Mr. T to come after your azz in the shower tonight. Funny.

By John B.

July 24, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Since everyone else has thrown out their crazy trade ideas, I’ll throw out mine: Salty, Reyes, Devine and Harrison to the Rangers for Teixeira and Millwood.

I do not see JS trading two of our top pitching prospects for a starter in the twilight of his career. I could see Salty, Reyes or Harrison, Devine to the Rangers for Tex, Millwood, and CJ Wilson. There is no way JS would give up 2 starters in any trade unless it brought a ‘YOUNG’ ace along with it.

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 24, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Food for Thought…The last month,especially the last 2 weeks(at home),of the season greatly favor the Mets. Their last 4 series of the season are against losing teams while the braves last 2 are on the road against teams with winning records at home.

By Kentavo

July 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

If the Braves are actually going after Livan Hernandez, it makes no sense. He could have been had last Sept. when Nationals put him on waivers and Arizona picked him up.

By N8

July 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Scoff

“3 proven veterans for 4 prospects?”

Yup. One that is severely over-paid (Millwood), one that is NOT going to stick in Texas after 2008 (Tex), and one that would actually help us more than the other two (Gagne).

“I do not think the Rangers would give all these players for our prospects.”

You’re more than likely right. Never said they’d go for it. All I’m saying is the ONLY way JS should/would/could to that deal, is if Gagne was added, to sweeten the pot.

“Nor could the braves afford that now and would ruin their future.”

That’s why I said that CASH would have to be thrown in to offset the Millwood deal. How would GETTING an extra player in the deal that MurphyRules proposed, “ruin their future” anymore than NOT getting Gagne, yet STILL giving up the players that Murphy suggested?

Again, if you’re saying the “money” is what would “ruin” our future, you might be right. But again, that is why I would demand cash (similar to the Hampton deal…..LOT’S of cash!). Since Millwood has about 50 million left on his 5 year 60 million dollar deal left, CASH is absolutely neccesary if a deal for Millwood is made. While Gagne signed a 1 year 6 million dollar deal with Texas.

The more I think about it, we’re better off trading for Tex and Gagne, and leaving Millwood out of the deal. Of course that leaves us short a starting pitcher, if Jo-Jo were to be added to the deal. Just put Oscar in the 5th spot. With reliable starters, that “long man” won’t be as needed.

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Gil in Mechanicsville Excellent minor league report. Well done, sir.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

I’ve thought about this alot lately, but I think I have a plan for the Braves:

1) Trade Salty + throw-in (if needed)for Teixera. This is a no-brainer in my opinion if we can afford to pay his $11 or $12mil salary next year.

2) Trade Kyle Davies (if any value there) and a low level prospect for a bullpen arm - Marte preferrably, maybe even Brian Fuentes. Doesn’t have to be a lefty though, I’d take Dotel or Jon Rauch also.

3) Ride our rotation as it currently stands for the rest of the season and hope Carlyle can keep it up. Keep Reyes in the #5 spot or just rotate guys… We win with bullpen and a dominating offense.

4) In the offseason we trade Renteria + Reyes for a proven starter(Snell) with years left on his contract, then move Escobar to Shortstop.

5) Hope Hampton comes back to 100% and then we’ve got Smoltz, Hudson, Hampton, James, and Snell in the rotation with an offense that includes Chipper, Tex, Francoeur & McCann…

I really think this would set up for a serious run at the World Series in 2008 without sacrificing our chances this year. Now, the probability that all those things could actually get done (and Hampton could actually be healthy) are probably slim to none, but that is exactly what I would be trying to do if I were Scheurholz…

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

trade rumors Bedard is a class #1 stud pitcher. A flamethrower. I would prefer him over Snell, although Snell would not be bad either.

JS might surprise us with a stud starter, but I suspect we will see some relief help.

By ernesto

July 24, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Bedard’s a good arm, I’d be psyched about getting him, but that deal is giving up too much - espcially since Bedard is only signed to a 1-yr contract. He’s already making 3.5 mil or so - next year will be his 5th year so does htat give the club any control? Or his he gone as a free agent and you’ve given up some real nice pieces? Taht would be a bad move. I think Jo Jo’s got a future, plus he’s a lefty. - I’d be said tos see him go. Of course, losing Salty would suck as well, but at least it would be to an AL team.

By Lee

July 24, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Another brilliant move by Cox, play old man Franco every game and let the younger players platoon regularly. Outstanding………it must seem like spring training for Franco with the amount of playing time he received with the Mets

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Some asked, so I’ll answer: I’d do Salty for Teixeira, if Texas throws in some cash to compensate for Tex’s salary next season. Maybe even if they don’t.

Braves have a catcher, need a 1B for next season. If they don’t think Salty’d be a good 1B, I can see why they’re considering Tex (and they are considering him, by the way. The rumors are solid.)

Braves put a premium on defense, always have. And 1B, despite what some think, is not just a position you throw any slugger into and expect him to perform well. It’s a very important defensive position, and Julio, in that regard at least, is a big upgrade over what they had….

Josh C, good point on pulling out Chuck’s stats. He’s been OK-good most of the season, and very strong lately. Would be perfect in the No. 4 spot he was targeted for before the season…

AthensBraves, WHIP is walks plus hits per innings pitched. In other words, if someone gave up 10 hits and 5 walks in 15 innings, he’d have a 1.00 WHIP.

They like Startup a lot. Just not ready yet. Some folks forget these are kids down in the minors, a lot of them. And these are not kids up here in the majors. And you don’t want to bring them up unless you believe they’re ready, because getting one’s head pounded in isn’t a good thing for some kids. It can scar them. Others, it’s not as big a deal, or the club decides it’s worth the risk or there’s an absolute need to do it.

By Drummerdad

July 24, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

I’m not a stats guy. I leave that to DOB. And I’m not a baseball web site afficianado, but in light of the eventual Scott Boras induced deaprture of Andruw Jones and Andruw’s hitting woes I found this article interesting. Many of you have probably already read it:

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By AthensBrave

July 24, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Gil,

I used to watch him at UGA. He was dominant in college. Everyone knows that we need lefty relief help after losing Gonzo. Ledezma has looked bad. He’s got the #s and you said there are scouts watching him when he comes in.

Lets give him a shot

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

trade rumors Bedard is a class #1 stud pitcher. A flamethrower. I would prefer him over Snell, although Snell would not be bad either.

JS might surprise us with a stud starter, but I suspect we will see some relief help.

By JasonInMaine

July 24, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Trade rumors,

where did you hear this stuff?

regards,

Jason

By Scoff

July 24, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

N8- Yeah if it’s “LOT’S of cash” that would be a different story… Think Gagne will be able to stay off the DL while being on it twice for his elbow (one for tommy john’s) and once for another season ending herniated disc in his back? Would Gagne help or hurt the braves? I do not see Gagne as the reliever that we need to get.

By Shaun

July 24, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts,

We’ll agree to disagree.

One thing I do want to address: Obviously neither I nor anyone else knows what the future holds for Saltalamacchia. We just have to go by what is most likely to happen. What is most likely, the way I see it, is that Salty is going to be at least a pretty good major leaguer for the next 8, 10, 12 years. I don’t see how anyone could deny this is the most likely outcome based on his minor league numbers, major league numbers and what insiders say about his abilities.

I think the broader undertones of our discussion are the nature of young players/prospects. Highly regarded position prospects with good numbers are most likely going to give a team several good years in the majors at the very least.

I think our disagreement on this issue goes back to you seemingly thinking that what Salty is most likely to do is a great mystery. But I think the evidence is to the contrary.

Salty is much more likely to become a Jason Varitek-type than a Brad Komminsk-type.

My rants on this blog usually happen when I feel someone is saying something that I feel is overwhelmingly contrary to what the evidence shows. That’s when I can’t let things go. Maybe I should be a talk show host.

By Renegator

July 24, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

I think a lot of people on this blog want Startup on the team because he played at UGA. Booo

By Jim Hertel

July 24, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Quick! Someone please remind me why we wanted Wilfredo Ledezma and how he is an upgrade over McKay McBride? Or how Willie Aybar was an improvement over Wilson Betemet? I don’t know about anyone else, but I get afraid of trades that might be made where we get fleeced. I think JS’ scouts may be letting him down.

By Jared

July 24, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Why in the hell would the Pirates trade Snell for Jo-Jo Reyes and Renteria?

Saltalamacchia for Snell makes so much sense. Why hasn’t Schuerholz done this already!?

By Jared

July 24, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Trade rumors, where did you hear this stuff?

His imaginary friend.

By rupert

July 24, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

DOB, seems like there is a sense now that the braves will trade salty for a bat, or an arm before the deadline, you get that sense? and it seems like that is a bit of change from a few weeks ago, has anything caused that?

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 24, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

“Some folks forget these are kids down in the minors, a lot of them. And these are not kids up here in the majors.”

You should bronze that and hang it over the blog as a reminder to the bloggers who want to bring up the latest hot prospect every time a hitter goes 0-4 or a pitcher loses two in a row.

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 24, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

You all sound like a bunch of kids a few days before Christmas with JS playing the role of grandpa. The anticipation of opening the gifts and wondering what you’ll find. A power hitting first baseman or a pitcher under the tree. “Oh what will granpa/JS get us”.

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Telegraph Hill and North Beach, greatest walking areas of any city the Braves play in. Cool cafes and bars on every corner. Just had some killer banana/pecan waffles at a place on Columbus, with the steeples of that famous Catholic Church visible from the window where I sat to eat. The church were Joe D married Marilyn Monroe….

By Skydawg

July 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

WE GOT TEX!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE GOT TEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2007 WORLD CHAMPION ATLANTA BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!

By Jim Hertel

July 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Quick! Someone please remind me why we want Wilfredo Ledezma and how he is an upgrade over McKay McBride. Also, how Willie Aybar was better than Wilson Betemet? I don’t know about anyone else, but these trades make me nervous that we might get fleeced again. I think JS has been let down by his scouts.

By AthensBrave

July 24, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

no chop zone is secretly a braves fan that just wants to get some attention on a blog. how sad…

By N8

July 24, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Scoff

“I do not see Gagne as the reliever that we need to get.”

Are you kidding me? He’s a free agent after the season (no obligation beyond this year - only 3 million or so for the rest of this year).

In 31.1 innings this year he has a 2.30 ERA, with 26 K’s and 12 BB’s, along with 14 saves for a HORRIBLE Texas team.

How could that guy NOT help our tired, worn out bullpen this year? Saying we couldn’t use Gagne, is as silly as saying last years team couldn’t use Wickman.

Before his outing last night agains Seattle (1 IP, 3 ER), his ERA was 1.48, and he had NOT allowed more than 2 runs in any of his 32 outings, and had only allowed AS MANY as 2 runs….once! He’s allowed 2 HR all season (that’s 1 less than Soriano has allowed in his LAST FIVE OUTINGS).

Still think he wouldn’t help?

I’m not saying he’s the long term answer. But I’m of the belief that we need bullpen help MORE than we need a starter right now. In fact, if we could aquire 2-3 arms for the bullpen, I’d even settle for the crapshoot that is our 1B Tritoon (Salty, Thorman, Julio).

But if Jo-Jo must go in a trade, we need a servicable #5 not named Kyle Davies.

By Efrim

July 24, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

I just heard the Red Sox are in on Tex. Not good news. They have what we don’t have. Pitching prospects.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 24, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Just want to make it clear, my observations do not necessarily mean I think a guy is ready for the big leagues. But, I can see which ones are headed in that direction. Lillibridge is going to be a major leaguer for a long time barring injury. I cannot predict when that will happen, my crystal ball has been cloudy for a long time now. The same can be said for Startup and Devine.

Please note that Guy Hanson is a very well respected pitching coach and his primary job in Richmond has been to work on the mechanics of players like Boyer, McBride and Devine.

By Thrillhouse44

July 24, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

When Jim Hertel said “Quick!” he meant it. 12 minutes without a response was cause for him to double post his rhetorical question.

By Shaun

July 24, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Jim Hertel,

The Ledezma move was a change-of-scenery deal in hopes that both players would simply play better for new teams.

There’s a good chance Aybar would have been/could be just as good if not better than Betemit had he not had the personal problems. His plate discipline was better, he hit better, he just had less power when comparing them at similar points in their careers.

By Jared

July 24, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

I thought the Braves wanted Franco as a bench player, leader and to pinch hit every now and then. Why the heck is he starting so much? Please don’t tell me Bobby Cox is going to use him as the primary first baseman for the rest of the year. If so, the Mets are the 2007 NL East champions.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 24, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Skydawg name your source….

By HP

July 24, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

NO BRAIN ZONE:So you don’t want the Muts to make any trades. You have given up on your team so quickly. We talk trades because we would like to improve our ball club. That is what we have been doing for past 15 seasons. We have been successful 14 out 15 seasons to go playoffs. The only thing the Muts team do is sign players with good numbers during free agency and they never stay healthy. They never produce the numbers that they should be doing according to their contracts. So just watch us win this division. Don’t get to excited because Braves still have 9 games to play with Muts this year. And so far we have 6 wins and 3 losses. Talk whatever you want, but don’t disappear when your team is losing, because you are not showing any loyalty to your team.

By Scoff

July 24, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

N8- I know what Gagne’s stats are. Yes he is a great pitcher, and would be a great help in out pen only if he stays healthy. My only concern is his serious injuries in the past. Not to mention he hurt his hip a few games ago. Who knows, he might be as healthy as ever. I’m sure Cox wouldn’t pitch him everyday though, right?

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Grinch, I know you’re not a fan of the ubiquitous “This Is Our Country,” but ol’ Johnny Cougar sure could/can put together a lyric and melody. I was just reminded of that when “Ain’t Even Done With The Night” just came up on my Ipod, which I’ve got on alphabetical playlist right now (I know, I’m getting crazy out West).

Pretty cool doing it that way for a change of pace. Just went from “Age Like Win” by Todd Snyder, to “Ageless Beauty” by Stars, to “Ain’t Cha” by Clipse, to “Ain’t Even Done With the Night” by Mellencamp, to “Ain’t Gonna Come Till I’m Ready” by World Party…

By Alan

July 24, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

DOB, I know you put down Matt Morris, but I like him a lot better than the other “suspects” you’ve mentioned. He works quickly and throws stikes for the most part. His numbers aren’t that bad (ERA just a shade over 4.00) for a team that’s not as good as the Braves. I think he’d help, and I don’t think he’d cost a lot (a mid-level prospect, maybe two). Noah Lowry, on the other hand, would be a great pickup, but he’d cost the Braves 2 or 3 top prospects, at least - including Reyes, Harrison or Smith. As for the other trade rumors, that’s all they are. I don’t see the Braves getting either Snell or Bedard - who are the #1s on their respective teams. They’re certainly not going to get Snell for Salty! Nor are they going to get Texiera for Salty! To they’d cost the Braves much more than they’d have to give up for Lowry. Now, back to everyone’s favorite “lost Brave,” Wilson Betemit. Look him up. What has he done that’s so compelling? He’s a nice, versatile utility man - yes, better than anyone the Braves have (can’t count Escobar, who’s a co-starter, and waaaayyyy better than Wilson) - a utility man! When the Braves made that trade last summer, it was a good one: they got another utility guy (Aybar), 3 years younger, plus a very good setup man (Baez), as they were fighting for a playoff spot. It’s easy to second-guess now, but at the time that trade helped the Braves. For the rest of last season, Aybar out-hit Betemit and Baez did a better-than-adequate job in the ‘pen. Sure, there was risk - there always is when you make a trade. So, the Braves have little to show for it now, but what do the Dodgers have? A utility player with a BA of what - .240 or so? Big deal.

By A-ville Ranger

July 24, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Great post DOB…What if Barry faked a record and nobody came ? I can only speak for myself.I didn’t watch last night and won’t tonight.I know full well it means zero in the scheme of things.I do feel less like a lamb than I would have if I’d watched though.To me that is well worth the price of non-admission. ps I slept like a laaa…..well I slept just fine.

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

DOB, So you DID make it to Mama’s. Yep, right there by the church Joe and Marilyn had their picture taken after their wedding, but contrary to popular opinion, they didn’t actually get married there.

By the way, I sent you the directions there and another great SF restaurant a few days ago. If you didn’t see it…well, never mind, you made found it or knew of it anyway. Great waffles, eggs and stuff. Good food all over that town. Granted, neither were BBQ or fish tacos, but great. Hey, just one of my many passions…finding good food and sometimes giving advice to other “foodies” on where to get it.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Gil in Mechanicsville,

Harold Reynolds is reporting it on ESPN

By HP

July 24, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

DOB: Do you have any idea what Smoltz say to Bonds on the field yesterday after he hit the ground ball out.

By Efrim

July 24, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

DOB

If the Braves were forced to include Matt Harrison in the deal for Tex, do you think they would do it? I am guessing they would ask for C.J Wilson or Joaquin Benoit back as well.

By geauxbraves2000

July 24, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

A blurb from the article Drummerdad linked: Another player that has begun to wear out his welcome is Mark Teixeira, who according to Peter Gammons in a recent interview, with a Boston Radio Station, has moved away from the advice of Rangers Hitting Coach Rudy Jaramillo and is instead taking instruction from Boras’ group. This may have been the source of the earlier blowup between Ron Washington and Teixeira, which was apparently over the subject of Teixeira’s hitting.

Geaux Braves!!

By Renegator

July 24, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

MLB.com reports that the Red Sox are in the driver’s seat on Tex because of their pitching prospects. Too bad the Braves farm system hasn’t developed a good pitcher in 10 years.

By Ron Roberts

July 24, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Shaun… I’m not disagreeing with you (today) about what Saltalamacchia’s potential is… you can guess to the positive, and I can be more guarded, and truth is, he’d probably make one of us right, or fall right in between. Big deal; that’s not what you keep quibbling with me about, dude. That was days and days ago. And I never said Saltalamacchia wouldn’t be a productive MLB player; I just don’t think he’s the future 1B/power hitter/hit-for-average package that we’d get in Mark Teixeira the rest of this and next season (and possibly beyond if we re-sign him).

No, instead, today you’re presuming that an unnamed MLB G.M. must’ve wanted to say something more than what he told Ken Rosenthal when Ken wrote on FoxSports.com about the Braves possibly dealing for Teixeira by sending the Ranger Saltalamacchia.

Scroll back up; you questioned the very validity of the statement by presuming he must’ve meant to include the Braves getting cash in the deal. The GM did not; that was Ken Rosenthal going to write that’s how he’d make the deal happen. The GM, however, said “straight up.”

There’s no disputing what the GM said; you, though, chose to say…

Seems like Rosenthal was just expanding on the GM’s basic thought and giving some background info. The GM only took it halfway, Rosenthal took it the rest of the way…

Who are you to say the GM only took his own statement only halfway?

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

…”Ain’t Nothing to F Wit” by Wu-Tang Clan, “Ain’t Talkin’” by Bob Dylan, “Ain’t Wastin’ Time No More” by the Allman Brothers… digging the alphabetical playlist

By BamaBrave

July 24, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

The latest (I’ve found) from the Boston Globe on Red Sox and Tex:

Gordon Edes wrote in a Boston Globe Red Sox notebook Friday that “Although general manager Theo Epstein said the team is aggressively pursuing deals — talking with Texas about first baseman Mark Teixeira — barring a sudden change of heart, the Sox appear determined to hold onto their best prospects, most notably outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury and pitchers Clay Buchholz and Jon Lester. Buchholz is the pitcher most teams ask for.”

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 24, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

I thought ESPN fired Harrold Reynolds?

By BamaBrave

July 24, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

Harold Reynolds on ESPN??!!?? Someone may be reporting that news on ESPN, but I’ll bet your dentures it’s not Harold Reynolds, Paladin.

By Salty

July 24, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

Harold Reynolds???

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Jared, as I said the past couple days, I fully believe Bobby is using Julio so much right away so he (Cox) can decide whether Julio can be a platoon or more player the rest of the season, or if it’s urgent for the Braves to make a move for Tex or another 1B.

Not going to get a feel for that by having him start once every four days or pinch-hit every game.

By N8

July 24, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

scoff

“Not to mention he hurt his hip a few games ago.”

I was not aware of that. That would explain the 1 IP with a HR and 3 ER’s last night.

I guess that changes everything.

Sorry dude. I was looking up his stats last weekend, and thinking he could be our “Wickman” from last year.

Maybe not.

By Jared

July 24, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Harold Reynolds is reporting it on ESPN

ESPN fired Reynolds in June or July of 2006. Another lie exposed.

I get the feeling Schuerholz is going to cost the Braves. He could probably get Texireia now, but is sitting on his hands because he doesn’t want to give up that throw-in save-face prospect (like Jamie Romak in the LaRoche-Gonzalez deal). By the time he’s ready, a better and more proactive GM will have already gotten Texireia and another good and proactive GM will have gotten Ian Snell.

By JasonInMaine

July 24, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Every site is now reporting the Sox are easily the frontrunners for Tex. From MLB.com:

“The Red Sox have been holding on to their young pitchers, but with the Yankees gaining ground in the American League East, the winning return of Jon Lester on Monday night and the expected return of Curt Schilling next week, they may be in a better position to part with some arms.

The Rangers have scouted a number of Boston’s Major League and Minor League pitchers recently, including Lester, left-hander Kason Gabbard, Triple-A right-hander Clay Buchholz and Double-A right-hander Michael Bowden.

The Braves are balking at requests for catcher/first baseman Jarrod Saltalamacchia or shortstop Yunel Escobar. In any case, the Rangers are more likely to want Major League-ready pitching in any deal for Teixeira.

That might seem to make the Red Sox the front runners to land Teixeira, but with just days to go, predicting Teixeira’s destination is a dicey proposition.

“Boston could have pulled the trigger already, but they haven’t,” said one source. “They could decide to go with what they’ve got.”

Regards,

Jason

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Efrim, no, I do not think Braves would trade Harrison AND Salty for Tex, who’s indicated he’ll explore free agency after the 2008 season and who, remember, is represented by Boras.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

The Real Paladin resides. And those that think those 3 earlier posts were by me have the same “intelligence” as the one who posted them.

By HP

July 24, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Paladin: Harold Reynolds works for MLB.com as broadcaster.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Jared,

I suppose next you will tell me he was fired for sexual harassment.

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

What’s Harold Reynold’s favorite kind of line drive?

One that HUGS the line.

Oh, that was so funny I forgot to make myself laugh.

By Joe Schmoe

July 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Relax guys. I think by saying Harold Reynolds reported the trade on ESPN, he was making a point.

The point of course is that what SkyDawg was saying is not true.

By Ron

July 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

DOB At the game tonight you may get to see Selig!!! He suppose to be there for the Bonds games!!! Just announced!!!

By N8

July 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

DOB

If Bobby wanted to know whether Julio was gonna help out or not, all he had to do was ask us bloggers.

Everybody……all together now……

NO!!!!!!!!

By HP

July 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Just in: Selig to attend Bonds games!!

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 24, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

“MLB.com reports that the Red Sox are in the driver’s seat on Tex because of their pitching prospects. Too bad the Braves farm system hasn’t developed a good pitcher in 10 years.”

That only means that Daniels covets those prospects. The chances that Boston trades somebody like Bucholz are somewhere south of sanity.

By Jared

July 24, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

O’Brien, thanks for your (4:37 PM) response.

By N8

July 24, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Julio is 3 for 17 (.176) with 2 RBI in 5 games back with the Braves.

I think he fits in just fine with our current 1B options.

That being said, his 3-6-3 double play was very nice last night (or was it Sunday?). Either way. It was nice.

You know it’s bad, when a 48 year old has the most agility at 1B on your roster.

YIKES!

By Joe Schmoe

July 24, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Man, I’m glad I don’t have to give my real name or show my face because I’d be too embarrassed to admit laughing out loud to Bravehearts joke.

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Was it really sexual harassment or was it really just sexual hugment or was it just a darn hug? Who cares, really? Harold always seemed like a good guy just not quite sure I would want my mother, girlfriend, or sister working in the same building as him.

By rupert

July 24, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

if the braves were somehow able to get tex along with a sollid starter and a sollid reliver, damn, they’d be pretty much set to make a serious run into october, if the cardinals could win it all last year, with a team barely as good as the braves, this years braves team (which has a winning record against the top 2 teams in the west and central, along with the mets) could do damage as currently contructed IF they get in, adding players like that help alleviate the IF, and would probably make them the favorites, although it will be debateable

A big move or 3 would really send the right message to players, i remember the guys had to beg last year for a closer to be aquired, a month sooner and they win the wild card, the braves need to make the right move, and it loks like there going to make a big splash doing it

By Jared

July 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Also from that article JasoninMaine posted at 4:40 PM (but left out for some reason):

“Though six teams — the Atlanta Braves, Boston Red Sox, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees and San Francisco Giants — were among the clubs most active in their pursuit of Teixeira, as of midday on Tuesday, is appears that the Yankees and the three California teams, while not completely dropping out of the picture, are not in the forefront, either.”

This makes it appear it’s down to the Braves and Red Sox. Rosenthal said Braves and Angels. But everyone has the Braves.

Schuerholz is posturing. There is no way that Escobar is untouchable in a Mark Texiera trade. But telling everyone, both publicly and privately, that Escobar is not available sure makes other GMs want him more.

By Vol

July 24, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

For those pitching stats you pulled out Buddy, but should also pull out Chuck James (8-7, 3.58). That means the rest of the staff is 4-17 with an ERA around 6.00 in 30 starts. That’s a lot of starts for no production whatsoever.

Anybody have an idea as to how many times we will have to use the 5th starter the rest of the way? Not worth upgrading the starters if we only need one a couple more times the rest of the way (under the assumption nobody gets hurt). I’d stick with Jo Jo in that case.

I am surprised that Julio has seen this much time. I wouldn’t have thought platoon regardless - he’s a bench guy and you get the coaching/attitude as a benefit. I really think he’s enough of a downgrade from Salty that it could cost a win or two (although obviously not defensively). Love Julio, but not in a regular platoon. Diaz makes more sense.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

HP I don’t really give a hoot n’ hell who Harold Reynolds is or who he works for. Apparently, Stinky does. Talk to him.

By TampaBrave

July 24, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

JS should have done this deal 2 weeks ago. Now, everybody is in the mix. Not so good that Salty’s bat has cooled over that time. Buy low, sell high!!

By Lew

July 24, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Harold Reynolds-MLB’s version of the Piltdown Man?

By BamaBrave

July 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

I think I’d pay good money to be able to listen in on JS’s phone calls right about now…

By ernesto

July 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

This just in - Selig to attend ballgame.

This just in - who cares?

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

HP, no, Smoltz wouldn’t say. But they just joked around, it wasn’t anything that’s going to change the course of history. Probably just a “surprised you can still get out of the way of a pitch” or some such smalltalk. They were both smiling.

By Lew

July 24, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Nathan-If BC or the rest of the Braves’ brass actually listened to the people on this blog, they all would have committed suicide long ago and Julio would be a moot point-or at least their manager.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

“Not going to get a feel for that by having him start once every four days or pinch-hit every game.”

How about by simply watching him take a swing? I mean, even that double last night was luck. He was so late on that pitch I was shocked it actually landed in fair territory… I will admit however that his defense is still very good. That double play he made by himself (3-5-3) last night in the 6th was about as smooth a play as a first baseman can make. I shudder when I think about what Salty would have done with that grounder; certainly wouldn’t have been a Double Play thats for sure…

GET TEIXERA!!!!

By TampaBrave

July 24, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

What a great reality idea BamaBrave. I’d watch.

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Is Smoltz still upset with the media?

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Uh, TampaBrave, the way it works is, the team with the commodity that contenders crave (Texas with Tex) usually holds on for as long as they can keep driving up the price, closer to the trade deadline.

So it’s not up to the Braves on when to pull the trigger on every deal. Other teams are looking out for their own interests, not for the Braves’ interests….

Speaking of Teixeira, how ‘bout Tex and Hoss on the infield corners, compadres?

By Jobu

July 24, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Soriano ought to check out the NL West when he’s eligible for FA after next year. Against SF, LA, SD, and COL this year, he’s allowed no runs with only 3 hits allowed, and 14 k’s in 13 ip. This should be a good week for him.

By Colin

July 24, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

DOB do you think we could fill 1b with Tex and get relief help w/o giving up Salty and just Yunel for Tex.. if so that would be one heck of a deal. All the signs point right at us getting Tex.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

So, Don and others: What if he isn’t hitting? If Julio is playing better defensive first base than anyone we have—and his is—why is everyone on his @$$. JS will make the trade. Now chill. It’s not like either Thorman or Salty is tearing it up at the plate right now.

NOTE: This is the real Paladin and I have assumed my seat on the hinged board. See how many baseballs it takes to drop me in the water.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

DOB did Smoltz say anything about his shoulder? He was doing that weird shoulder stretching thing between pitches last night. It was the same thing he was doing just before he went on the DL…. I’M WORRIED, TALK ME DOWN FROM THE LEDGE DAVE!!!

By TampaBrave

July 24, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Tex and Hoss starring in

“Brave’s Bonanza.”

Co Starring Bobby Cox as Pa

and Andruw as Little Jones

Sounds like a hoot!!

By JasonInMaine

July 24, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

jared,

I didn’t include it because only the part I posted was new.

Regards,

Jason

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

“Soriano ought to check out the NL West when he’s eligible for FA after next year. Against SF, LA, SD, and COL this year, he’s allowed no runs with only 3 hits allowed, and 14 k’s in 13 ip. This should be a good week for him.”

That is a nice little stat there Jobu… Now how about you offer me a cigar and some rum?

By BamaBrave

July 24, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Or get JS to do one of those “dropped call” ads for AT&T…

JS: (Cell phone rings) JS here… Hi Scott Boras! Boras: John, we’ve talked to Tex and the Rangers. It’s all worked out. If you’re willing, we’ll trade you Tex, Gagne and Millwood for Davies, Julio, and Megan the cheerleader. But you gotta say “yes” right now!! JS: (Beaming) Let me get this straight, Scott… (Silence…dropped audio…JS mouthing “yes” over and over, pumping fist like Kirk Gibson) Boras: John? Are you there? Hello?…That’s just great, John! Forget it then…you can kiss Andruw goodbye, you sonofa…

VO: AT&T…the network with the fewest dropped calls… JS: (silently screams “yeeeeeeeees” into his celphone)

By Vol

July 24, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Is it at all possible we can get Tex without Salty or Escobar involved?

What lefty reliever will land here? Anyone like Marte from the Pirates?

By Vol

July 24, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Odds on Braves landing Tex? I say 51%. Who’s higher or lower?

By Ron Roberts

July 24, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Not to get off-topic, but (understandbly so…) the AJC.com folks aren’t opening Falcons’ blogs for much commentary around here. That being said, I’m wondering… are the NFL merchandise folks cranking out Joey Harrington/Falcons jerseys, yet?

I’d PROUDLY wear one, since now my Vick jersey’s worthless.

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 24, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Buster Olney wrote this story today for ESPN.com: “Executives with other teams believe that the Texas Rangers are definitely intent on trading first baseman Mark Teixeira before the July 31 trade deadline, which would make Teixeira the most prominent player dealt.

The rival executives say that the Rangers’ demands for Teixeira have come down bit by bit. In addition, the Rangers feel they can get one or more of the targeted prospects that they can ask for from the targeted teams. However, the Rangers dispute the notion that their price is coming down or that it’s a slam dunk that they will trade Teixeira.

At the outset of the Teixeira trade talks, for example, the Rangers had insisted the Yankees include either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, one of the Yankees’ top pitching prospects, and had asked the Dodgers for three top prospects. They had asked the Red Sox for pitcher Clay Buchholz and center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury.

The Angels, Braves and Giants are also involved in talks for Teixeira”

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

First base is a problem area but the real problem with this team is pitching. The team can make do with the hitting as is. A team with solid hitters at seven positions (two deep at many of those positions with Escobar, Salty, and Diaz/Harris) should not think the reason they don’t make the playoffs is a first baseman.

The problem is the pitching - the starting pitching. Smoltz, Hudson, James, and Buddy are not really the problems (except that none of them are really going too deep into games on average which is starting to kill this pen).

If we get anything decent from a fifth starter, we will make the playoffs. Wickman and Soriano look beat up right now but that is (to me) a problem that was caused by the failures of the 3/5ths of the starting rotation earlier in the season. The Braves have such a low number of innings pitched from starters this season.

You don’t mortgage the future for a first baseman who will not play longer than 14 months for your team and who will not be the difference maker into whether or not you make the postseason or how well you do once you do make the postseason.

An extra mediocre starting pitcher will be the one to make the difference whether we make the playoffs this year or not. That should not be too expensive.

Once we get into the postseason, the difference makers will be five people: Smoltz, Hudson, James, Soriano, and Wickman. No one we obtain in a trade right now is going to be worth overpaying for once we get to the postseason.

If they offered Tex and money for Salty, then yeah I’d probably do it as well - but only if I absolutely nothing of quality to be obtained in the starting pitching department.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts They are giving away Vick jerseys at Home Depot. You have to go to Jokes are Us to get a Harrington jersey.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

I have this strange feeling that the red hot McCann is going to have another night off tonight… That should ensure we lose 2-1 tonight instead of winning 4-2 (which would have happened last night with McCann NOT in the lineup)

By Jim Hertel

July 24, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Quick! Someone please remind me why we wanted Wilfredo Ledezema and how he is an upgrade over McKay McBride? And how Willy Aybar is better than Wilson Betemet? I get afraid when all these trades are mentioned that we will get fleeced again. I think JS has been let down by his scouts.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

I’d go with that Vol, for some reason I just have this feeling a big trade is going to go down. Something tells me Scheurholz is looking at stepping down after 2008 so he wants to win it all before then. A deal for Tex would greatly improve our chances this year AND next, he’s exactly what John’s looking for IMO….

By Ron Roberts

July 24, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Paladin, all jokes aside, I’m not worried about the Falcons with Harrington at QB. He sports a higher completion percentage than Vick.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 24, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

I’m sure I will be ripped for this but here it goes. The Braves should offer Salty, Devine, and Thorman for Texiera and Wilson or Benoit. Then offer the A’s Andrus and Davies for Dan Harren. If the A’s balk, which they probably would, offer Davies and Smith for Joe Blanton.

Okay, let me have it.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

We heard you the first time Jim Hertel, now shutup…

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Now, why don’t people post things like little school girl under my name? That sounds like me.

By chipdip

July 24, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Barry Bonds needs to be hosed down with water and then electrocuted by Michael Vick.

By jame

July 24, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

DOB, I have to say I’m not a fan of giving up Salty of Tex. I think Salty could land us a good, young SP and I’m not sure I’d trade him for anything other than SP.

BUT, does the willingness to part with Salty indicate that Kala Kaaihue is the 1Bman of the future?

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

44-26 when Smoltz, Hudson, Chuck, & Buddy start games.

12-7 - Smoltz; 11-9 - Chuck; 14-7 - Hudson; 7-3 - Buddy; 7-10 - Kyle; 1-4 - Redman; 1-2 - Larew; 0-3 - JoJo; 0-2 - Cormier.

51-36 with Smoltz, Hudson, Chuck, Buddy, and Kyle.

2-11 with Redman, Cormier, JoJo, Larew.

9-21 with Redman, Cormier, JoJo, Larew, and Kyle.

AND people still want to insist that the problem is offense and that we should overpay to fix something that is not a problem? It’s the darn scrubs at the back of the rotation, dammit! No amount of extra run scoring could make up for the barrage of runs scored against us when those guys pitched, not unless Tex is going to make us score 8 runs a game or something.

And people wonder what is wrong with Soriano and Yates and Villereal right now? In those 31 starts where they have gone 9-21 with those crappy starting pitchers, they have received only 140 innings out of their starters. 140 freaking innings in 31 starts. Holy Cornelia, that is horrendous! If they had gone 5.5 innings per start, the bullpen would have pitched 30 less innings this year. That’s pretty significant.

If they had been able to go .500 during those 31 starts, we would be 60-41 right now on pace to win 96 games, we would be in first place right now, with a 3.5 game lead on the Mets.

By TennesseePaul

July 24, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

Executives with other teams believe that the Texas Rangers are definitely intent on trading first baseman Mark Teixeira before the July 31 trade deadline, which would make Teixeira the most prominent player dealt.

The rival executives say that the Rangers’ demands for Teixeira have come down bit by bit. In addition, the Rangers feel they can get one or more of the targeted prospects that they can ask for from the targeted teams. However, the Rangers dispute the notion that their price is coming down or that it’s a slam dunk that they will trade Teixeira.

At the outset of the Teixeira trade talks, for example, the Rangers had insisted the Yankees include either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, one of the Yankees’ top pitching prospects, and had asked the Dodgers for three top prospects. They had asked the Red Sox for pitcher Clay Buchholz and center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury.

The Angels, Braves and Giants are also involved in talks for Teixeira
—ESPN

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

Man, this Texas-Seattle game is quite interesting. It’s only 1-0 Seattle right now, and the teams have combined for only 3 hits now in the bottom of the 4th… But, the Texas pitcher is some guy named John Rheinecker and the Seattle pitcher is some guy named Ryan Feierabend. Only 3 hits so far, but you should see the outs in this game. I mean, there have literally been 15 line-outs out of the 23 outs recorded… really something…

But anyway, I will say this regarding the Rangers. If they would rather trade with Boston because they have more pitching to offer, then, well, I can’t argue with em….

By Shaun

July 24, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

I just don’t think he’s the future 1B/power hitter/hit-for-average package that we’d get in Mark Teixeira the rest of this and next season (and possibly beyond if we re-sign him).

I agree. When have I ever said he was?

And I have no idea what the GM meant. I just have a hard time believing that a team would give up a top, switch-hitting catching prospect for an expensive older guy that they may only have for less than 1-1/2 season without getting at least some cash.

It’s better to have a cheap player that will likely provide above-average to great production over 6 years than an expensive player that will likely provide great to MVP-type production for 1-1/2 years. That’s why I would want at least cash considerations in addition to Teixeira.

The Braves obviously wouldn’t be giving up the better player but they would be giving up the better situation.

By The Grinch

July 24, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Ok, everyone, you can breathe a sigh of relief; I’m back. Ron Roberts, please tell me you’re kidding about Harrington. There’s a reason he was booed out of both Detroit and Miami, and it wasn’t his completion percentage. It was because despite completing a fair number of passes, he can’t complete them accurately beyond about 25 yards or so (leading to way too many interceptions), he’s about as mobile as Bernie Kosar and he’s not a leader. In other words, he posesses virtually none of the tangibles or intangibles neccessary to be an above-average NFL QB. BOY are you Vick haters gonna be surprised at how bad the offence looks without him. Shockley’s the only hope; he at least posesses all the tools to run the same type of game Vick does. He’s not quite as fast, but fast enough and a better leader (and more accurate passer). All he’s missing is experience. Since the Falcons are essentially conceeding this season anyway, why not let him take his rookie licks and build a decent team chemistry? Harrington is a douchebag.

DOB, I can kick it with some old school Johnny Cougar. He’s just assured himself I’ll never buy another new Chevrolet. :-)

By Ron

July 24, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Robert(JISB) Actually not too bad at all!!! You might make a good GM after all!!! I have been wanting Blanton here the WHOLE SEASON!!! But too bad for us the A’s won’t even consider the Andrus and Davies for Haren deal!!!

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts You are probably right, man; I hope you are! At any rate, if they don’t play that dog-killer I’ll be yelling GO FALCONS, ‘til the cows come home.

By Ron

July 24, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Anybody else tried to get on mlbtraderumors.com in the last hour? I got on it earlier today, but it won’t let me on it now!!! The site must be down at the moment!!! The site might have got hit soo damn many times nobody else can get on it right now!!!

By TennesseePaul

July 24, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

For the Record, I called for Franco to come back.
I stand by this. The reason I wanted him was because I think his knowledge would be helpful to the young guys. Also, I figured he would make a great coach or manager whenever he retires and pulling him back in to the franchise ups the possibility that he becomes that great coach or manager with the Braves at some level. And because I simply like the fellow.
It’s hard to get mad at a 48 year old for not producing like a 28 year old. But I can understand the frustration when watching Franco play. It looks like hard labor when he swings that tree trunk he carries to the plate. But, in the 5 games he’s played here, he has 3 hits which is about 1/3 of the total he amassed while hanging out in NY for 3 months.
However my underlying hope was that picking up Franco would mean ditching Woodward and either keeping an extra arm in the pen or pulling up Pena. Because, and maybe I’m biased on this but, I’d rather watch Franco man the bench, pinch hit, stand at first, or do whatever, than watch Miami Vice take the field and suck wind.

By Chop Chop

July 24, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Nice of ol’ Bud to come on out to Pac Bell/SBC/AT&T Park and see the show. I always suspected that Bud’s a closeted Braves fan and now my suspicion has been confirmed! He’s not really coming out to see that roided-up cheater, is he? Of course not.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

And Grinch please don’t include me with the Vick haters. I wasn’t a Vick hater before, but I am now. And I agree, 100% on Shockley and the validity(Falcons are conceding the season, etc.)for playing him NOW! Hope Petrino agrees with us.

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Jame, if they traded for Tex, they’d probably try to re-sign him to a longer-team contract. You don’t give up a super young prospect for a guy and then not even try to re-sign him. Of course, they could wait until next year to do that, after they make sure Tex held up health-wise and if he liked Atlanta enough to perhaps stay for less than he’d get elsewhere. But that’s getting ahead of ourselves.

No, it wouldn’t signal the Hawaiian is the future at 1B. He might be, but still too early to tell.

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

I’m not worried about the Falcons with Harrington at QB. He sports a higher completion percentage than Vick.

Ron Roberts, like you alot, respect you but that comment is pretty darn ridiculous. Winning %. What is the Falcon’s all time winning %? 40%. 40%!

The Falcons have a 59% winning percentage when Vick starts. What is Harrington’s winning percentage. Seriously, what is it? What is John Smoltz’ all time winning percentage? 58%. Not gonna miss Vick? Well, then I guess you won’t miss alot of victories and alot of fans sitting in the seats and you won’t mind this franchise being forgotten about again.

Vick’s a bum and a creep. The dude has broken my heart pretty darn good. For what he did to the dogs, he is getting what he deserves (in fact, not enough). But not gonna miss him on the field? That’s just plain ignorance or just plain ole anger clouding your judgment and memory.

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

BamaBrave, that was a funny post about the dropped call between Boras and JS.

So many scenarios would work in those ads. I’m always thinking of them when I see the latest version in that very clever campaign. Love the one where the lady tells her husband she’s pregnant, and he’s whooping it up on the other end, but she only hears silence….

By the way, another beautiful day by the bay, about 68 degrees and sunny, now that the fog’s burned off and the clouds moved on. Here at the park, wind’s pretty steady and appears to be blowingout to right, judging by the flags.

By hawkeye

July 24, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

This guy have been tested for performance drugs by major league baseball and have came up negative. Is it Innocence until proven guilty or for athletes guilty until proven innocence. The guys you covered is all white, Hank have tailored to the media forgetting the treatment he encountered in pursuit of babe ruth (white) record.If you can not be fair in your reporting you need to quit, oh, I forgot that how you sell paper, lying. Hank Aaron should be ashame of himself. He is to baseball what clearance thomas is to blacks in the judical system. An Uncle Tom!!! Go Barry!!!!!!!!

By Chop Chop

July 24, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Grinch, ya gotta let it go, man. I liked Vick a few years ago, but you have to face it, No. 7 can’t get the job done as a passer in this league. We made excuses for him for years (poor offensive line, poor receivers, wrong system, etc.), but that was because we thought he’d get better. He never did get better, so his off-the-field problems make it a lot easier to just cut bait. Trust me, I know Joey Harrington isn’t any good, but I have a feeling the Falcons will not go into the season with him as the starter. They’ll find a way to make a move. Will they be better than 8-8 and 7-9 the last two seasons? I have no idea, but even with Harrington under center, I can’t imagine they’ll be much worse with Vick out of the locker room.

Another thing to remember is that the only way Vick has ever been a leader is because other players were somewhat confident that he might be able to bust a long run if they/he/both didn’t do their jobs. They had hope in those situations, but “hope” isn’t the same as “knowledge” that your QB will make the right decisions on where to go with the ball. Vick has never been a true “leader” of men (well, except for this alleged dogfighting operation…haha…) and never will be. Leaders are born, not made.

To sum up, I can accept a crappy year with Joey Harrington (or anyone else) at QB if it means that I don’t have to deal with Vick’s below-average passing, arrogant references to his “supporting cast” (as if he’s Jordan or something), and the humiliation he’s brought onto the Falcon franchise. It’s hard enough to cheer for a losing franchise for so long without some moron making my team look even worse.

Anyway, back to baseball…

By Efrim

July 24, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

DOB

Speaking of the Hawaiian, what do you hear about him? He has serious power numbers in a notorius pitcher’s park. I am guessing he will be in Double A next year and if he has a good year, he would be an option in 2009. Very early though. And does anyone in the organization ever talk about Tommy Hanson?

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

Holy crap, hawkeye is looking for a black eye. That was just about the dumbest, most ignorant, and most racist thing I have ever heard a white guy pretending to be black ever say.

By Ron Roberts

July 24, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Braveheart… I think you have to give some credit to the players Vick had around him, too, though, man. Joey Harrington never really had much to work with in the Motor City. His o-line always sucked, his 1st-round pick recievers apparently did, too, or they wouldn’t have taken Calvin Johnson this season, and there’s never been a quality RB in Detroit blue since Barry walked. Is Harrington a savior? No; but he’s an NFL quarterback with the tools necessary to do the job. Hell, he’s still young, too. Steve Young sucked for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers before going to the 49ers. Turns out the Bucs just sucked, not Steve Young.

Like I said, I ain’t worried about the Falcons on the field w/out Vick.

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Current catchers in the Texas Rangers organization:

ML Level - Adam Melhuse (35 yrs old, journeyman catcher in his 8th season, career batting line: .242, .300, .408); Gerald Laird (27 yrs old, in his first FULL season and sporting a decent line of .296, .332, .473, 7HR’s, 23RBI, 20doubles. Pretty good if you ask me, that’s actually a little better than league average production at catcher.)

Minor League Level - Chris Stewart (26 yrs old, had 9 hits in 37 at-bats during a call-up this season. Minor league stats not impressive at all, no power or average in minors) Saloman Manriquez (24 year old catcher in AA, currently a nice line of .297, .370, .595, 15HR’s, 50RBI. But he’s 24 and in AA, so how good can he really be?) Chad Tracy (just turned 22 year old catcher in High A ball. Decent line of .254, .319, .410, 9HR’s, 65RBI. Apparantly they are pretty high on this kid but he is at least 2 years away from the majors.)

Sooooooo, what does this tell us? Not sure, other than the fact that if I were the Rangers, I’d be going for major league ready starting pitching, not a catcher….

By jon

July 24, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

DOB…You said the organization didnt think Startup was ready for the big show. Well why in the HELL do they keep calling up Devine?!? Any indication on why they would do that? I mean think about it, why not call up a leftie and let him struggle instead of another righty haha! By the way, I was on here all day running my mouth about how stupid a Tex trade would be…not anymore! I’ve completely changed my mind and feel if we can get a bullpen arm too, that would be an awesome feat for JS and BC! I honestly think that would flip the balance in the NL East! Another starter would be extremely nice too though! If you had to take a wild wild wild guess..what starter would you think we are closer to getting if we go that route?

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 24, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Props to the Signs of Barry thing. “Roidiculous” indeed.

But the only sign I would really hold up is:

*

It was gratifying to see Julio come through with hits last night.

I don’t know if Julio can be an everyday player. Whether he can or can’t, I think a starting arm takes priority over someone like Teixeira.

By Ron Roberts

July 24, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Shaun… The Braves obviously wouldn’t be giving up the better player but they would be giving up the better situation. That’s your take. Not a fact; your take.

Grinch… I, too, will miss the playing-field Michael Vick. Never said I wouldn’t. But I won’t miss the funky water-bottled Vick, the one-finger saluting Vick or the dogfight breeding animal killer Vick. So if I’m left with Joey Harrington to root for, then I’ll gladly accept it, and I’m going to go into his era with an open mind and a positive outlook. That’s all a fan can do at this point, right?

I still wouldn’t mind us going after Dautne Culpepper as a backup plan, myself, but I’m also encouraged to know that this might be just the opening a former Georgia Bulldog D.J. Shockley might need. Kid’s got great heart, plenty of skill, a smile that would light up the dome, and a perseverance most of us lack. He’d be a great story.

While we’re washing our hands of Vick, can we get our damned traditional-style uniforms back, instead of this FUBU-esque garbage we wear now? Stuff like that’s stylish for a hot minute on a BET music video, but now even it’s outdated, and makes us look Arena Football League-like. Gimme my block lettering back!! grins

By dorothy gipson

July 24, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Stop hating on Barry Bonds. 9 times out of 10 he will break the record. Get over it and move on. You sound like the same folks who sent hate mail to Hank Aaron when he broke a white man’s homerun record. (imagine, people mad because of baseball) Get a life. Like the old folks say “If you can’t say nothing nice about someone, don’t say nothing at all!!! I’m sure Barry doesn’t give a care about what you and all the other haters are saying about him.

By Efrim

July 24, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

DonC,

The Red Sox are a much better match than the Braves in regards to a Tex trade. They have the pitching prospect to deal, which we don’t. At least not yet. All of our studs are in Danville, Rome, and Myrtle Beach.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts I’m sure the others wish we would give up the Falcon stuff, but I’m with you on the uniforms. They look like slow-pitch softball unies.

By TennesseePaul

July 24, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Just found this tid-bit:
Mets people are saying Pedro Martinez’s 10-day break was due to mental fatigue, and is not anything physical.
—SI

Mental fatigue?? The guy threw 50 pitches to minor leaguers and was mentally worn out?

By The Grinch

July 24, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Paladin, you were not my intended target.

Chop Chop, I know Vick isn’t much of a leader and the leadership he posesses is due pretty much to what you say, but we’ll have to agree to disagree about his abilities. He “just hasn’t gotten better” because we’ve only now just fixed the problem. He threw for 3000 yards in his rookie season under Reeves, broke his leg the next one, and was handcuffed by an absolutely gawdawful coaching staff the next three. Petrino was brought in for the sole reson that he’s smart enough to know you don’t try to make Mike Vick Joe Montana without the ability to audible. He knows EXACTLY what to do with Vick; beef up the line to give him time to pass and a decent chance at a rushing TD inside the red zone from the running game, and use the new OC (who was the WR coach who made Chad Johnson and TJ Whos-your-daddy what they are) to coach up the morons in the WR position to actually catch the ball when he runs a spread offense (which takes defenders away from Vick and allows him to bust a run loose when needed without having to worry about a “spy.”). If Mora and Knapp weren’t unmittigated @$$-clowns, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Is Vick a natural leader? No. Is he morally reprehensible? Yes. Will we ever likely be as good or exciting without him here as we would’ve been over the next few years with the right pieces in place? Absolutely not, and if you think so you won’t when the whistle blows. You’ll be a sad puppy, pardon the pun. Anyone who further wants to talk football can e-mail me; I’m sure this is wearing on some folks.

Go Braves!

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Check out this stat I read in an SI article:

“Kansas City has the best ERA in the majors since June 24. In the past month, the Royals have won series against Boston, Detroit, Los Angeles and Seattle — four of the five top teams in the AL.”

Looks like our boy Dayton Moore is on the right track in KC… And oh yeah, check out this one on Tony Pena Jr.:

“Royals shortstop Tony Pena Jr. has not walked in his last 236 plate appearances. That is not a misprint. More troubling is that last weekhis general manager supports him. Dayton Moore said, “I couldn’t care less if he walks again all year. I don’t want him worrying about that. The biggest mistake that players make is they start focusing so much on their weaknesses that they don’t maintain their strengths.”

By TennesseePaul

July 24, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

I understand that there are Web sites dedicated to eradicating Joe Morgan from the airwaves. If that’s true, I’d just like to know where to sign up.
—John Heyman

We are not alone. The message is actually seeping into the walls of “the establishment”.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Grinch Totally agree, but as far as MV is concerned: It ain’t going to happen. So, as fans and, hopefully team and coaches, when the ox is in the ditch…

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, like I said I respect ya - sorry to throw that ignorant thing in there (my anger is getting the best of me as well). I read and respect almost all you write.

BUT they were 38-28-1 when he started since he was drafted, 9-20 without him starting, 2-13 since 2002 without him starting. Looks like the Falcons just sucked since he was drafted, not Vick (although he is far from a great QB as well). However, it is clear from the winning % disparity he was elevating the players around him.

In roughly the same number of starts in their careers, Vick has accounted for 92 touchdowns, 52 interceptions, 79 turnovers, 6.7 yards per pass, almost 15,500 yards of total offense.

In almost the same number of starts, Harrington, has accounted for 72 touchdowns, 77 interceptions, 86 turnovers, 5.7 yards per pass.

Who cares about completion percentage? It is the yards per pass attempt that matters. Vick’s ain’t great but Ron Roberts, you could average more than the freaking horrible 5.7 yards per pass attempt of Joey Harrington. That is so horrendously awful.

Now, I’ll get back to the Braves…..

By DonCoburleone

July 24, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Yeah no kidding Efrim. I mean, you look at things realistically just like I do, so, if you were the Rangers wouldn’t your #1 (and #2 and #3) priorities be young, major-league ready starting pitching??? Especially when that kid Laird looks like he might be able to provide better than average production at Catcher already?

I bet the Rangers are asking for Salty AND Reyes, but JS is probably trying to talk them into Kyle Davies instead of Reyes…

By N8

July 24, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

I’m not sure if anybody sees the irony in this, but when we released Craig Wilson, he was 10 for 58 (.174) with 1 HR and 2 RBI. For the season, Julio is 13 for 66 (.196) with 1 HR and 10 RBI.

Why not just ask Craig Wilson if he’d like to try again? It’s not like Julio has played all that much and is more “fresh”?

Or better yet. How bout give Diaz a shot over there? Wouldn’t want his bat in the lineup everyday, would we?

By TennesseePaul

July 24, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

Sooooooo, what does this tell us? Not sure, other than the fact that if I were the Rangers, I’d be going for major league ready starting pitching, not a catcher….

DonC: Exactly what I was thinking without even looking at the catching prospects.

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, fully agree with you about DJ and about those unis. I hate those unis with a passion. Give me back the no frills black or the no frills red. Either way, don’t care. Although those black unis were a badass persona for them to have back in the day.

By N8

July 24, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

“Mental fatigue?? The guy threw 50 pitches to minor leaguers and was mentally worn out?”

The fifty pitches didn’t cause the fatigue, it was all the snickering in the stands and from the minor leaguers he was facing.

Kinda like Adam Sandler in Billy Madison, when he can’t make his “Z’s” when spelling Rizzuto, and all the kids laughed at him and he ran out of the room screaming…….I HATE YOU ALL!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 24, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

I’m assigned the absolute middle seat in the front row of the pressbox, MLB.com’s Mark Bowman to my left and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale to my right at the beautiful bayside ballpark, which I rated last winter as my favorite of the 30 major league stadiums.

closest to the cheese.

By The Grinch

July 24, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, Shockley is IDEAL to replace Vick. He’s the only one around who can semi-duplicate him athletically, plus he’s a Dawg (and can thus fill seats), plus he’s someone you can get behind and not feel bad about yourself for doing so. He might be the Falcons only saving grace at that position. ABSOLUTELY agree about the uniforms; we had the best looking unis in the NFL hands down and this crap they replaced them with looks like Jackson Pollock meets Arena Football League in design. The old unis were the ONLY thing the Smiths got right.

By N8

July 24, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

“I bet the Rangers are asking for Salty AND Reyes, but JS is probably trying to talk them into Kyle Davies instead of Reyes…”

LOL! Kyle Davies pitching in that bandbox of a stadium, makes me chuckle. You know how Trevor Hoffman comes in to the AC/DC song Hell’s Bells?

If Kyle were to pitch for the Rangers his song would be the live version of For Those About To Rock. Then every time he let a pitch go, the sound system would scream…..FIRE! with the impending explosion, as the balls flew over the walls like a mid-summer’s hail storm.

YIKES.

By True Braves Fan

July 24, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

I am a GA Tech grad, and would love to have Mark Teixeira on the Braves, but JS does not need the headache of having a player represented by Boras.

By Braveheart

July 24, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

I don’t want him worrying about that. The biggest mistake that players make is they start focusing so much on their weaknesses that they don’t maintain their strengths.”*

Cool quote DonC. I heard Bill Belicheck say the same thing on the David Letterman show a few years ago as to why he is able to succeed where other coaches can’t. He said he only focuses on what his players can do, not what they can’t do and just positions them accordingly.

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this

Sorry, Braveheart, I seldom disagree with you but: Those black uniforms were a Jerry Glanville brain-XXXX. Give me the red.

By dadgum

July 24, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

DOB….Hi…remember me for better or worse. Can’t chime in as much as before. Just busier I guess. I will add hopefully some insight to this particular secular of the blogosphere.

Texiera….absolutely under no circumstances will the Braves bring him on without signing him to at least three years. Actually Texiera should be looking at the same. He can look at it as getting out of JAIL free. Texas is for losers. Ask Julio. Ask Tommy John. Run Texiera Run.

Bob Dylan….weird dude always but Tangled Up in Blue simply one of the best ballads ever written by anyone ever. “she opened up a book of poems and handed it to me, written by an Italian poet from the 15th century, and every one of them words rang true and burned like glowing coal, pouring off of every page like it was written in my soul from me to you…Tangled Up In Blueeeee.” Damn, Damn, Damn, that’s good! Real Good!

Julio is here for the team chemistry. At the price we got him his experience and working with the younger guys is invaluable. Get on a playoff run and his not playing may be bigger to the Braves than his playing. Just being in the dugout could mean a run here or there. Rare gem bought cheap! Great move on teh Braves part but I am sure this has been bantered around.

Rock The Casbah!!

By Efrim

July 24, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, I just don’t see a match with the Rangers. Not for Tex. Other teams have more to offer in terms of pitching. Salty isn’t going to be enough. Oh well, trade for Dmitri Young!!!

By Paladin

July 24, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

Now, I’m going to bed. My friends have my back. Hopefully.

By Tomahawkin

July 24, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

My Narrow arse was on Facebook chatting on a braves group blog while looking to see where da party is gonna be at this weekend while I ran across a rumor of Renteria to the White Sox for Jon Garland, Please anyone up in here tell me this this is utter B.S.

I hope to gawd we don’t ship off Rentie…

But I would like to see Garland down in the “A”

Comments

By ernesto

July 24, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

Hi dororthy, thanks for stopping by.

Barry should tip his oversized cap to nice fans like yourself.

You should check in when JJS does a pie riff - you’ll love it.

By Tomahawkin

July 24, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

Grinch If you’re gonna go to the falcon games get prepared to be sitting in an half empty dome, especially if they stick with Harrington and we start out 1-3…

By ernesto

July 24, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

“from the Grinch* Ron Roberts, Shockley is IDEAL to replace Vick. He’s the only one around who can semi-duplicate him athletically, plus he’s a Dawg (and can thus fill seats), plus he’s someone you can get behind and not feel bad about yourself for doing so.

Dude, you’re forgetting the Q-Man. He’s ready to go. Quincy! Quincy! Quincy!

By Chop Chop

July 24, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

I had to walk away for a bit. What’s your e-mail again, Grinch? You’re probably right about the football talk wearing on folks.

By Dave

July 24, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

ok ive been following the trade rumors and these are the people i’ve heard linked with the braves: Ian Snell PIT Matt Morris SF Jon Garland CWS Jose Contreras CWS Joe Blanton OAK (i think) Bronson Arroyo CIN Steve Trachsel BAL Livan Hernandez ARI Akinori Otsuka Tex Ryan Klesko SF Mark Texiera TEX

Ok first off, Im not really interested in either of the White Sox Pitchers, especially contreras. There was a time (05, first half 06) where he was one of the best, now hes one of the worst. Bad Health? maybe, but too big of a risk. Garland would help us, but is he worth renteria, who has been solid since we’ve had him and is one of the reasons why the braves offense has been so good. hes a veteran leader, and he’s a clutch hitter who WILL make an impact WHEN the braves make the playoffs. Livan, NO. Trachsel, NO.(all i gotta say for those two.) Arroyo talks have come to a halt i believe, and i dont think Blanton is the impact starter the braves are looking for. Ian Snell has intrigued the braves for a while and if they make a deal with them they could try to get Damaso Marte too, who is on the market and the braves desperately need a Lefty Specialist. Matt Morris has been struggling lately, but he’d be a good veteran presence. i dont see the braves getting Klesko unless they give up on Thorman, trade Salty, and platoon Klesko with Julio. I would love for Tex to be in Atl but only is the price is right, and Otsuka isnt healthy, although, they’d both be great additions. the only other two starting pitchers i could see the braves pursuing would be Aaron Harang or Noah Lowry. Lowry most likely isnt available, and i dont know about harang. He’s been great the last two years, He’s a horse who can Strike people out. The braves have a young enough team, a deep farm system, and enough versatility in their offense, they could afford to trade Salty, Yunel, or maybe even both. (i dont see them both being traded.) Let me know what you think DOB.

By Dave

July 24, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

ok ive been following the trade rumors and these are the people i’ve heard linked with the braves: Ian Snell PIT Matt Morris SF Jon Garland CWS Jose Contreras CWS Joe Blanton OAK (i think) Bronson Arroyo CIN Steve Trachsel BAL Livan Hernandez ARI Akinori Otsuka Tex Ryan Klesko SF Mark Texiera TEX

Ok first off, Im not really interested in either of the White Sox Pitchers, especially contreras. There was a time (05, first half 06) where he was one of the best, now hes one of the worst. Bad Health? maybe, but too big of a risk. Garland would help us, but is he worth renteria, who has been solid since we’ve had him and is one of the reasons why the braves offense has been so good. hes a veteran leader, and he’s a clutch hitter who WILL make an impact WHEN the braves make the playoffs. Livan, NO. Trachsel, NO.(all i gotta say for those two.) Arroyo talks have come to a halt i believe, and i dont think Blanton is the impact starter the braves are looking for. Ian Snell has intrigued the braves for a while and if they make a deal with them they could try to get Damaso Marte too, who is on the market and the braves desperately need a Lefty Specialist. Matt Morris has been struggling lately, but he’d be a good veteran presence. i dont see the braves getting klesko unless they give up on Thorman, trade Salty, and platoon klesko with Julio. I’d love for Tex to be in Atl but only if the price is right, and Otsuka isnt healthy, although, they’d both be great additions. the only other two starting pitchers i could see the braves pursuing would be Aaron Harang or Noah Lowry. Lowry most likely isnt available, and i dont know about harang. He’s been great the last two years, He’s a horse who can Strike people out. The braves have a young enough team, a deep farm system, and enough versatility in their offense, they could afford to trade Salty, Yunel, or maybe even both. (i dont see them both being traded.) Let me know what you think DOB.

By chip

July 24, 2007 7:57 PM | Link to this

Dave - That neighborhood where you had pancakes is called Northbeach. Formerly the Italian section of the city, not being morphed into a larger Chinatown. My old stomping grounds.

I just HAVE to ask you: Why don’t the Braves put Chipper at 1B and start Yunel at 3B? Gives them hitting all around. Is Hoss just determined to not be a first baseman?

By GermanBravesFan

July 24, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

Hey Grinch… open up some of those cold German beers, sit back and relax! By the way, this is the Braves blog… Falcons are next door! ;-)

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 24, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

Renegator

I guess Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz got your real spoiled kid.

Pitchers the Braves have developed over the past 10 years. Adam Wainwright, Jason Schmidt, Kevin Millwood and although you can’t put C. James in that class, he does appear headed that way. I am sure there are more but I challenge you to name half the teams in MLB that have produce 3 pithcers of their caliber.

By Bob, Journalist

July 24, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

Grinch, it’s funny, I thought Rankin getting the Falcon’s franchise for Atlanta was a correct thing to do, folks thought he was crazy for paying what he did … seems like it was $8 million … he told Daddy that was a lot to pay to find out how many relatives he had.

Rankin didn’t have to work … but, he did … he earned his keep!

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 24, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

Someone mentioned the Orioles earlier and that may not be such a bad deal. If the Braves offered Salty and Davies for Bedard and Millar, that could be a really good trade. The O’s would then have a SS in place which would allow them to trade Tejada whom would likley get them a top flight pitcher or top flight prospects to replace Bedard. Salty becomes their catcher of the future which allows them to move Hernandez to 1B or DH. Davies gives them a good young pitcher with promise who will be cheaper than Bedard. The Braves get a cheap option at 1B in Millar who has a good bat and playoff experience not to mention the chemistry he would provide in the clubhouse. Of course, Bedard gives them a top of the rotation guy who will be here for a couple of years and most certainly will help now.

The question is would the O’s make the deal. I don’t know. McPhail is a smart guy and could see a guy like Salty raking like crazy in that ballpark and Salty is the kind of guy that could easily become the face of the franchise, which is something they don’t have now. I could see Renteria as part of the deal but the Braves most certainly would have to get Markakis or another pitcher like Hayden Penn. I am all for Renteria getting traded but I wouldn’t put him and Salty in the same deal unless its a blockbuster.

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 24, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

Whether other teams have “more to offer” for Teixeira in terms of pitching is mostly irrelevant since those teams aren’t going to offer the pitching. The thought of Boston offering Buchholz or the Yankees offering Hughes or any team even remotely considering offering comparable young pitching is so far off the mark I can’t even imagine the mind that could conceive it. Texas may wake up stupid and take somebody like Gabbard, maybe, but get top-tier pitching prospects or frontline starters? Give me a break.

By Jimbo

July 24, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this

Is it possisble that Balco Barry’s Mr. Potato head looks even bigger now?

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this

Chip, I know it’s North Beach, dude. Been eating dinners over there for years. North Beach, Telegraph Hill, Chinatown … love walking all over that area. You were lucky if that was your old stomping grounds….

Why don’t they play Chipper at first? Because he’s a third baseman, an All-Star caliber third baseman, who already moved once at the team’s request, to left field, and has since regretted making the move. They’re not asking him to move again, so he won’t have to worry about telling them no.

By Mets rule. You drool.

July 24, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this

In the 4th after Lastings doubles in a run, Maine kocks a 2 run homer. Hahahahaha!

6-2 - Amazin’s.

How’s it feel to know the best you can do is try and keep up? Hows that taste?

Oh wait, I forgot you got Tim “The Skinny Boy” Crudson going against Barry “The Man”. Hahahahaha!!! ROTFL.

By Mets rule. You drool.

July 24, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

Hope you guys do get Snell it would be fun to smack him around in a Brave’s uniform, almost as much fun as it is smacking him around in tonight. Hahahahahaha!!!!!!

DOMINATION!!!!!!!

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, it wasn’t Mama’s on Washington Square. Didn’t make it up Columbus that far. It was 901 Cafe, something like that, on Columbus down by Taylor, Lombard, that area….

Huddy needs to work quickly tonight, so we can get to Slim’s for Hank III. He’s got two opening acts, so we can get there by 11 we’ll probably be alright. So far we’ve got Dave Sheinin of the Washington Post, Canadian scribe Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail, and possibly Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle attending the show, if time factor works out.

By fastasballs

July 24, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

The Muts just hung four on Snell in the 4th. 6-2 & they are still batting

By Colin

July 24, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this

If we were to get Bedard well lets put it this way we would win everything. Smoltz, Huddy, Bedard in a three game series, who could they touch, well maybe our bullpen but they all could throw complete games. Bedard leads the league in Strikeouts w/ 167. That would the best rotation in all of baseball by far. Our offense would be the same but if we got Millar he brings a bat w/ him. DOB how does this sound

Salty,Davies,Devine for Millar and Bedard. 

I believe that is far, cheap talent for them and very good talent if they can get Davies right and Devine could be there setup-man for Ray. Salty has many spots; DH, 1st,Catcher.

By JJMB

July 24, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

Yeah Grinchy, I agree with you on the new uniforms. I didn’t really like the old ones, but sweet jeebus, the new ones and the new logo symbolize the present day Falcons well, all flash and no substance. I wish they’d just drop the red altogether. What a disgusting color ;)

Shockley is such a long shot. He hasn’t played much football. Harrington? Well, the Falcons were going to be 6-10 anyway. I’m more than willing to give him a chance.

Thursday should be interesting.

By Lew

July 24, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Y’all-My wife is about to go to Seattle for a business trip on Friday. She would like to go to the Mariners/A’s game Friday night, but doesn’t want to purchase a ticket yet. Is anyone familiar with the stadium in Seattle and the availability of walk up tickets?

By Mets rule. You drool.

July 24, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this

Pirates just go LAMELEY and it’s still 6-2…their running out of outs, your running out of games.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!

ps. Hows Juliold doing? ROTFL.

By Lew

July 24, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this

Hawkeye-Your 6:28 post was very lame. Grinch-With Vick gone maybe the Falcons will finally be able to beat the Bucs on a regular basis. They always did have Vick’s number-whipped up on him like a -no, maybe I better not go there. Shockley works. Go Dawgs (there, I got a dog reference in after all).

By A really big Braves fan

July 24, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

Man, I was looking at the scores and those Mets really are good. They are tearing up Ian Snell - a guy were trying to get. I really think they are to good for us this year.

By The Grinch

July 24, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

GBF, I’m on the Czech beer tonight, with some Sammy Adams and a can of Sapporo on backup. Yes, I know I’m ranting too much about my Falcons, but if you’ve ever been over to the Falcons blog you’d know why I do it here instead. A bunch of psycho racist morons that make Vick look like the Dalai Llama.

T’Hawkin’, I’ll be there like I always have. I’m not a fair weather fan.

Ernesto, they have similar tools and went to the same school, but Quincy doesn’t have half the brain capacity or leadership qualities DJ has.

JJMB, we’ll never know ‘till we try, and since we KNOW Joey’s gonna suck, why not give DJ that experience in a rebuilding year? The Falcons need another hole-plugging draft to be truly competetive anyway.

Bob, I thank Rankin for the franchise and damn him for cursing it.

Drool, you’re a douchebag. But then, you already know that.

I hope the Braves got their sleep today, jet lag would not be a good thing.

By A really big Braves fan

July 24, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Are any of you other Tomahawk heads watching this Mets game, theya re just killing the Pirates. Maine looks like a Cy Young winner.

I’m really nervous, we could be 4 back tommorrow and thats a lot against a team that stacked.

By Lew

July 24, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

Former Billy-I don’t know why you couldn’t include Chuck James in that group. In the past year he has started 38 games (about what a number one starter would start), with 229IP and is 19-11 with a 3.63 ERA and an average of 6 IP per start. Seems pretty damned good to me. Come to think of it, I’m not so sure why people here b!tch so much about him. I wish we could get another pitcher putting up those numbers. Not too bad for someone described as being no better than a number 4 or 5 starter.

By Maine Braves fan

July 24, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this

Hey mets rule you drool. Why dont you go write on one of your New york web sites. By the way why dont yuo take all of your mets talk and shove it up your @$$. GO BRAVES !!!!!!!!!!

By Mets Rule. You drool.

July 24, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

Well, its in the 6th now and the Amazin’ crew isn’t done working yet…okay, nothing happened. AsArm got some help from the Ump.

And Selig is going to the game tonight, show’s what he thinks about Crudsons ability to stop Barry from GOING DEEP ON HIS A$$ OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Once again, that’s not me, that’s the boss of baseball saying that.

By Dave

July 24, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this

i take it “A really big Mets fan” has been smoking some good rock, because the mets are hardly stack, and even Steve Philips (Jose Reyes’ Baby) is starting to shake. So How is your great offense these days? Beltran is really rippin’ it.

By Skydawg

July 24, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this

Mets Rule,

I think you are badly mistaken about your Mets. Florida, Philadelphia, and the Braves will all be ahead of the Mets before the season is over. I am not sure the Braves will win the division, but I know the Mets want. They have been one of the worst teams in baseball since June. I guarantee you that the Mets will blow it. Your pitching sucks. There is no way you win the division with bad pitching like that.

P.S. John Rocker was right about everything he said about New York. Maybe you are one of the ones that he specifically called out.

Hahahahahahaha

hahahahahahaha

and Ha!

By Tomas

July 24, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Hi dob how are you? I hope good, anyway I want to ask you a question.

What do you think about the rumors about trading Renteria for Jon Garland?

I would personally kill that son of a b*** of Shuerholtz, if he actually considers, that mother f***, would kill the only good thing he has done in the last 3 years.

By SaltyWoody

July 24, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

DOB Great that you walked around North Beach today.
Just so you know, Dimaggio didn’t marry Marilyn at that church. He just attended that church when he was a kid. It’s called “Saint Peter and Paul’s Cathedral,” and they have a great mass said all in Italian on Sunday mornings.

If you’re ever back there again, go to a little restaurant called “L’Osteria Del Forno,” the most authentic, hole-in-the-wall, inexpensive place in all of North Beach. It’s fantastic. It’s right on Columbus, amidst all those other tourist draws.

Sorry I missed you at the game last night…try to poke my head in the pressbox tonight if I can.

Let’s hope Huddie’s dealing like Smoltz was last night so you can make it to your show.

GO BRAVOS!

By gotigers72

July 24, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

DOB - I believe the church you saw as you were eating your banana - pecan waffles [I’m envious] is called Saints Peter and Paul Church. It is indeed a beautiful church with those twin spires sticking up in the sky. When my wife and I went to SF several years ago, we took a tour of SF. The tour guide told us 1 of 2 things. Either 1 - Joe D. and Marilyn weren’t allowed to be married there by the powers that be or 2 - The powers that be would not allow Marilyn’s funeral to be held there. The reason for that decision by the powers that be was because Marilyn was divorced. Sorry I can’t remember which, but I don’t recall if she was married to Arthur Miller before or after she was married to Joe D.

The tour guide also showed us the tiny bar that Joe D. would go to for the occasional cold one. He liked going there, and liked being in SF in general, because he was treated like a regular guy. Just good ol’ Joe D., and not treated like a God as he was in NY. As everyone knows, Joe D. hated all of the fame and publicity that came with his excellence at playing baseball. He loved playing baseball, but didn’t like all of the media attention and other stuff that came with it. The people in SF [and that tiny bar] knew that, and went out of their way to treat him like one of the locals, talking about the weather, etc., and leaving him be while he nursed his cold ones.

If you want to read some amazing stats, look up Joe D’s sometimes. I believe he had more HRs than he had strikeouts. That is an amazing stat. Not to mention how great a defensive centerfielder he was.

By Lets all do a tomahawk chp

July 24, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

Great post at 8:46 Big braves FAn, your right this team just doesn’ have the talent the Mets do. The best we can do is pick up guys who couldnt even make the Mets team like Franco and Woodward.

It sucks to be us right now. Plus I jsut saw the Mets are totally dominating the Pirates.

By JasonInMaine

July 24, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

Maine Braves Fan,,

What part of Maine are you from?

Regards,

Jason

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this

BamaBrave 5:32: Very funny stuff. Like it…

By Maine Braves fan

July 24, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

York maine

By Skydawg

July 24, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

Hi Tomas. How are you? I hope you are well today. I hope Cox don’t make any bad decisions today, because I will personally go down there and kick his mother f* a$$. I will kick everyone’s mother f* a$$. Now who do I sound like?

By kg

July 24, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

I think its great that Julio is back. He is by far the best defensive 1st baseman the Braves have. Can you imagine Thorman or Salty turning the double plays of the last two games? Plus he’s getting good wood on the ball. The hits will fall.

Pretty disappointing first round picks in Macay and Devine. Gotta wonder if Devine will ever develop, given that he was such a good reliever in college. Such is the roll of the dice with young pitching prospects.

I don’t think the Braves will trade Davies. He could eventually be better than James.

Gotta think that the Braves have two years to make their push in the playoffs. So, a trade now is pretty important, even if it means mortgaging some of the future.

By Dave

July 24, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

Beating off to Jose Reyes posters just isnt enough for your guys. you have to come in here and act like fools, which makes no sense. You coming in here and talking trash isn’t gonna save your One-Hit-Wonder Mets.

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 24, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

LEW a little twilight blogging? Mets are winning. The braves need to keep up to give a chance for all your early season bull to come to fruition. Godspeed to your spouse as she travels across the country. She must have wings and a halo…..she’s married to a pain in the butt like you.

By Maine Braves fan

July 24, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Jason in maine, were are you from in maine. Its tough being a braves fan in maine. I can only watch them on TBS and ESPN.

By rupert

July 24, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

mets drool,

first off, quit posting under different names, thats lame, almost as lame as a mets fan posting on a braves blog, no one here gives a s** about your mets, they are mostly old washed up guys, minus wright and reyes, who both are overrated, bottom line: the braves own your a* this year dude, don’t talk smack when you can’t beat em, seriously, i guess the more times you blubber about the mets the more likely you’ll start believing it, what do you want to f*** the mets or something? probably would, get out of here and post on the carlos delgado del got it blog or something, i think the shifts changing at wal-mart, better get back to work f***

By Mets rule. You drool.

July 24, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

Tommorrow’s butt kicking is Grossandlazy against Glaviine whose due for a strong outing.

Advantage - Amaazin’s

If Tom even give up 5 we’ll still win - thats what’s like having a CF, 1B, and LF that can hit.

Oh yeah, and our pitcher has 2 RBIs tonight too.

How’s that taste?

By Jeff

July 24, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

I am glad Griffey has been hurt as much as he has, he is the last person I would want to break Bonds record.

By Jared

July 24, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

John Rocker was right about New York. Just read the comments made by the New York Met fans who infest this board.

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 24, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

8-2 Mets!!

By Maine Braves fan

July 24, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

Hey Rupert you are right on with your blog about that homo Mets rule, you drool.

By Mets rule. You drool.

July 24, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

Lastings just goes YARD with a 2 run HOMERUN. Your losing ground and Barry hasn’t even come up to bat yet.

STBY. (Sucks To Be You). Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

8-2 8th inning and it isn’t over yet - the Mets offensive beat donw that is

By Tomas

July 24, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Jon Garland, is a very inconsistent pitcher, and Renteria, and chipper have been the braves offense, I would not trade him nor saltalamacchia. I say the trade JS should make is this, Yunel Escobar and a prospect for Erik Bedard or no trade at all.

By Mets rule. You drool.

July 24, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

Stoopered Rupered. I’m only posting under my name, what can I say the Believers are out tonight. Your overwelmed on your own blog.

Its like a home game for you.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

By Wolfpack Man

July 24, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

DOB— I predict no chance on the 11 PM Hank III show, cutting it too close.

So we expect some late night blogging from you instead.

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 24, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this

Rupert, that old and over rated team is 3 games better than your team is.

By Mets Rule. You Drool

July 24, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

I have a question for DOB. DOB, am I way off base here with my projections? Am I really sounding as dumb as I look? Should I lay off so many retard sandwiches? How many retard sandwiches should I eat everyday? I’m sorry that was 9 questions.

By Loser Met fan who lives in his Mom's basement

July 24, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

The Mets now gaining ground! Unless you consider the Braves could just as easily win today and negate the Mets win! Hahahahahahaha!

Now to go have sex with my hot inflatable doll. I wish I had the money to get a new one, this one is male. Oh well. Hahahahahaha!

By Braves. 1995 World Series Champs!!!!!!

July 24, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

Does it bother any of you other guys that Smoltz was a coward about the All-Star game? He said he would pitch if it was a regular season game but since it was “just the All Star game” he could blow it off. So some other teams pitcher could pick up his slack - and then our mercy rep., Brian, pops out weakly instead of getting on and helping the come back.

I thnk if he thought there was any way we could beat the Mets he would have played, he just figured it would rob them of home field advantage in the World Series.

I don’t know about you, but I feel really bad about that, its just bad sportsmanship.

By JasonInMaine

July 24, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

Maine Braves Fan,

I am from the other end of the state…Houlton. I hear ya about being able to watch them on tv…I hate that TBS doesn’t carry as many games as they used to. This is the first year in the last few that I haven’t had the baseball package…it will also be the last!

Regards,

Jason

By Maine Braves fan

July 24, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

* Hey mets rule, you drool and no chop zone dont you guys have a train to catch* Oh wow you are beating a double AA team get a friggin life you b***.

By rupert

July 24, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

mets drool,

if anyone wanted an update on your mets they’d probably ask, anyone ask? no, anyone want you here? no. i got nothing against fans of the opposition, but i do have something against fans like you who are so high on the mets cool-aid its f*** ridiculous, your team sure as hell aint perfect, did you say something? i’m sorry i can’t understand what your saying with your lips pressed so hard to the metss a* cheaks

good news on pedro, heard she might be back to watch the braves win the east in september! i sure wish the braves were pinning all the pitching hopes on a has been pitcher, with a bad arm and comes up small when it counts (graddy little anyone?)

here’s an idea…. GO AWAY, if you werent so paranoid you wouldnt feel the need to keep talking s**, but i guess thats just what you are….

By Jared

July 24, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this

“Rupert, that old and over rated team is 3 games better than your team is.”

Braves are 6-3 against the Mets. Hmm….

Losing 6 of 9 to a team and then coming to that team’s blog to troll? Public school, right?

By Mets rule You drool

July 24, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

And THAT IS ALL. The Amazin’ Mets just finished part 1 of the DEMOLITION of the Pirates. Look for the seqwel tommorrow. Ha!hahahahaha!!!!!

Okay, Dr. Susse guy you can come out of hiding now, I’m leaving.

(Here comes some tough talk and the invitation to meet in mens room or something.)

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

Mets Drool: Against my better judgment, I’m going to try and convey something sincere to you lad. If I don’t get through to you, well, I tried and it’s your loss. Month after month, almost daily, I’ve seen the Braves denizens here put up with you, argue with you, cuss you, try to talk sense to you and attempt to ignore your obnoxious posts, to no avail.

When you do get ignored you start posting under other monikers. You are not only begging for attention, you are privately hoping you’ll get scolded, right? Sort of a rebelliousness from afar, because you know that you can’t be touched. Does that make you feel smart?

Do you have any pride? Shame? Do you possess an ounce of self-awareness? Self worth? Do you have the life that would make your parents, wife, or children proud? Even if you are high school age (which I hope you are), your incessant need to pester is a classic field-study for a child psychologist. Ever expect to have a girlfriend? What’s she going to think if she finds out she’s dating a closeted, voyeur that weasels into places he’s not welcomed?

Please do yourself and all of us a favor and either add something interesting to the mix in a mature manner or go play somewhere else. There are reasonable grownups here; even other Mets fans that are also trying to have adult conversations.

Advice: change your moniker (your is destroyed), come back tomorrow and offer reasonable banter, humor, wit, or sound, argumentative points of view… and try it in a respectful manner. I’ll bet you find that you feel better about yourself next time you look in the mirror. Stand for something good, kid. Not this.

By N8

July 24, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

Drool Boy

“DOMINATION!!!!!!!”

Hmmmmm.

Domination: \Dom`ina”tion\, n. [F. domination, L. dominatio.]*

1. The act of dominating; exercise of power in ruling; dominion; supremacy; authority; often, arbitrary or insolent sway.

2. A ruling party; a party in power.

3. pl. A high order of angels in the celestial hierarchy; — a meaning given by the schoolmen.

You guys are 55-43, with a 3 game lead over a team that you call pathetic and mock 24/7. I’m not so sure I’d be yapping about anything.

Pssst. Somebody should tell Beltran that Wainwright made him look like an idiot with that curveball in the NLCS last year (you know…..the Ex Brave?) I think he’s still standing there with his thumb up is azz wondering what happened.

Domination? Wow, you truely are a moron, aren’t you? Your ahead of us…..BY 3 GAMES!!! Nothing more. Nothing less.

Is your sorry azz actually aware of the fact that since June 1st we are BOTH under .500? What a sad world you live in that life has been SO BAD for so long as Mets fans, that you get all excited about playing mediocre ball, at a “DOMINATING” pace of 3 games better than the younger, less experienced, considerably cheaper Braves team.

Yup. Keep on dominating my friend. You guys gonna get swept in the first round of the playoffs, or will you actually win a game?

Domination? What an a*******h*le!

By Mets. 1986 World Series Champs!!!!!!

July 24, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

I really believe David Wright is better than Chipper Jones and Miguel Cabrera and I think Beltran deserved to be an all-star this year and Paul Lo Duca the starting one in 2006. I also believe that New York’s population had nothing to do with the all star voting, it was based soley on performance.

Now excuse, I have to go study for my fancy GED and go to the bank to cash in my welfare check from the state of New York. Thank God I live in a state that gives able-bodied lazy bums like me so much free money.

By Maine Braves fan

July 24, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Hey Jason I have been to houlton maine. I went up to houlton with some buddies for a party. This kid I went to high school with has a camp up there. Houlton has some pretty good cholate milk. Houlton farms dairy to be exact.

By rupert

July 24, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

mets drool is leaving… somewhere a community center just closed its doors!

i don’t give a s** if they are 3 or 4 games ahead, this is a braves blog, i don’t mind people going negative on the braves, god knows they aint perfect, but i don’t wanna hear some obnoxious fan blowing sunshine up the mets a*,

good point jared, the braves have easily taken 6 of 9 from this juggernot of amazins, wow, that must mean the braves are as good as the ‘27 yankess to beat such a great, powerful, balanced team,

o and mets drool, how does it feel to be the second team in your own damn city? ive lived in new york, no one gives a s** about the mets, they only care about the yankess, why is that? because the mets havent won s** since ‘86 and even last year chocked against a much inferior cardinal team

tell your mom hey when she lets you tonight, hope you sleep well in your mets pj’s and sleeping bag, o to be a worthless nobody…

By The Grinch

July 24, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

Been here all along as always, you dumb@$$ coward. You’re really getting boring. The one major flaw of the internet is allowing little fa&&%ts like you who people like most of the rest of us used to stuff in lockers or down toilets the opportunity to practice your high-pitched little-girly BS in public without fear of being rightfully beaten. Run and hide as you’re accusing me of running and hiding even though I’ve obviously been here all evening and given you the necc. info TWICE to get in touch in a decidedly non-gay setting (except for the way you would probably look and sound when getting b***-slapped…not that there’s anything WRONG with that). Your act is transparent and stale. You have the info, and you don’t have the balls. Surprise, surprise again. P%$$y. I really can’t do anything much beyond that without your cooperation, would you at least try a new routine? Like attempting to outwit me? That would even be easier for me than the physical alternative, and less boring to the rest of the blog. C’mon, give it a shot. It’s not like your reputation or manhood will suffer.

By JohnBama

July 24, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Braves….1995 World Champs….are you freakin serious? The lack of common sense in the blog sometimes amazes me.

By jbutler

July 24, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

Hey Lew…we recently transplanted from Seattle to Denver.. Your wife shouldn’t have any problem getting a tix to the game. They’re pretty decent this year, so it may not be the best seats - but we would do walk up all the time. Great stadium. Have her hit the Pier ahead of time for some salmon.

By Another Savanah Guy

July 24, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

Hey Savanah Guy you sound really sensitve and caring. WE should hook up sometime. hahahahaha!!!!!

Mets fans are not here to make friends with you we are here to DOMINATE. To remind you that you are a 2nd place team on youre way to 3rd place.

So all of you eerie touchy feelie rednecks can keep your deliverence thing to yourselvs.

Okay, Mets have DOMINATED. You are all wooried that wittle Tim is going to get his A$$ handed to him by King Barry.

There is nothing else to say - See ya!

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 24, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

Did I say 3 games better. Make that 3.5 and 4 if the braves don’t keep up. Maine braves fan….Hows the weather up in Canada? The CFL should be starting soon…..keep warm by cuddling next to your boyfriend b-i-t-c-h…….Your braves could be 4 games back by the time you get kicked out of the igloo.

By bravesfan

July 24, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Hey Mets rule You drool you never answered my question?

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

I am watching the opening to the TBS broadcast, and they were showing Barry from his early Pittsburgh days and then to his early Giants days.

THEN, it looked like he gained about 50 extra pounds in the most recent pictures.

I got bigger too in my late 30’s but not THAT big.

I know he is going to break the record, but I will NEVER recognize him as the greatest HR hitter of all time. He was/is a great player, but his ego will never bring him the love of the baseball fans of the world.

By JasonInMaine

July 24, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Maine Braves Fan,

That’s funny…I know people who stock up on the houlton farms chocolate milk when they can. It is pretty darn good (:

Can you remember the lake the camp was on?

Regards,

Jason

By JJMB

July 24, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t the page before this one say the game is on SportsSouth?

Grinch, maybe Harrington was just in bad organizations. Either way, we’ll see him play this year.

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 24, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

Hey, why is Craig Sager wearing my couch?

By Efrim

July 24, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this

Phillies win, Mets win….lets do our job tonight. We blew a chance to gain ground last week and now its time to just start playing better baseball. No reason we shouldn’t win this game tonight. Morris has been terrible and Hudson is our #2 starter who has pitched well as of late. Get it done tonight.

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Saltalamacchia, Renteria and Harrison for Bedard.

Then, Dan Smith for Jeff Conine.

After that, how about Moises Hernandez and Chad Paronto for CJ Wilson.

Then, Braves win the WS.

(yeah, I know, O’s probably won’t cooperate!)

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 24, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

Dude… They are in San Francisco…. The fellow has to blend in.

By JJMB

July 24, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Oh boy, an evening of Chip Caray’s insights. Pen and pad in hand.

By Efrim

July 24, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Tomahawkin’ Again

Classic. I almost fell out of my chair laughing my a* off from his suit and your comment.

By TampaBrave

July 24, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Thanks for schooling me about the trade protocol. I was wishful thinking when I thought Texas was licking their chops for Salty. I think I’ve been lsitening to Shaun too much.

By chrisklob

July 24, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this

Tomahawkin, no offense man, but that must be one ugly couch! I was wondering who dressed him like that and told him he’d look good.

By Maine Braves fan

July 24, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this

I cant remember were the camp was exactly. I bought boots in a store in houlton. do you have an email adress.

** By the way No chop Zone I donr live up in Canada. I live in Maine smart a. I can see you only have a 8th grade edumacation. Go Braves

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 24, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

Anyone not see that DP coming? Anyone?

By JasonInMaine

July 24, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

I love that Andruw is still batting cleanup!! Heck, he had his average up to .215!

By heath

July 24, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

thing only think andruw does more than strikeout…groundout to third….ugh.

By ernesto

July 24, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

If Andruw doesn’t lead the team in inning killing double plays, I would be amazed.

Shaun? (he’s nornally on the day shift.)

By TampaBrave

July 24, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Andruw disappoints again. 10th DP of the year.

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

OK, slap my own damn hand. My bad…admit it. Tried one last sincere message with the pathetic one who cannot and should not be communicated with. Like arguing with a gnat. Just allow me one last laugh and never again…

Mutt Drool Tomorrow, I wake up as me. You wake up as you. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

By Soul Man

July 24, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this

The Dawgs suck. Please keep that crap off of this board.

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this

Esteemed and priveledged journalist: Since you are right there at the game with all the inside stuff flying around you, are you going to give us a first-hand thumb, toe and fish taco report?

Could you also let us know if there are Cheeseburgers anywhere near the bullpen? So many Embarcadero questions.

By TampaBrave

July 24, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this

Bloggers,

What’s wrong with Joe Morgan?

Nobody is worse than Chris Berman

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this

Maybe Barroid could get the Grand Sombrero for a birthday present?

By Chris Berman

July 24, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Tampa(the big sombrero)Brave,

I’ll get back,back,back to you when I get done eating this side of beef.

Burp!!!!!!!!!

Fart>>>>>>>>>>>>>

By David O'Brien

July 24, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t even know where to begin answering so many questions — and that’s just the ones from DonC. Down, boy.

First of all, the Tex-for-Salty stuff is really strong here. I’m getting a sense it could happen, and soon. But haven’t had it confirmed or anything. Just that the Braves are in on it, hot and heavy….

Bosslady, I do remember one question from you about Smoltz. He’s never acted any differently since that whole thing blew over, which took about three days. He’s been absolutely fine with us….

Oh, and DonC, the shoulder’s OK. Not perfect, but better than before he went on the DL…

Oh, and I saw the dude in the Smoltz jersey last night. You were about 15 feet in front of me.

By Superman

July 24, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

So far so good Huddy lookin sharp tonight!!!

By fastasballs

July 24, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this

Huddy is on tonight, nothing but grounders.

I see the Muts idiot fans were visiting earlier. Hey Drool Boy, if you want to change monikers you might try and not misspell the same words under different posts. Kind of gives it away. You’re not cleaver enough to pull something like that off.

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this

DOB—I said it before when you were in Chicago. You have got the sweetest job. Man, you get to fly all over and enjoy the best resturants and concerts. I only returned from vacation last night and I envy you in San Francisco. I realize a job is a job, but, it had to be good decisions and a pursuit of one’s following his heart and desires. I have been very sucessful as my blog name indicates but I’d walk in a New York minute if they asked me to do one (1) series. How did you get that seat you spoke of earlier today? (Atlanta) I just hope Bonds does not hit a homerun against the Braves. I’m not gonna comment on his life because everyone has made bad choices and I judge no one on their mistakes. I see Rich Aurelia is playing, I knew him some years ago in the day. Keep us informed about the show tonight if you get there in time.

By fastasballs

July 24, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this

Geez I can’t even spell tonight, cleaver=clever

By bravesfan

July 24, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this

O yeah Huddy boy is getting the double plays

By Superman

July 24, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

Man I really hope we get Tex. Sure would be nice to pencil in a 300 hitter in than any number of 200 hitters we have put in that spot so far this year

By N8

July 24, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

“Oh boy, an evening of Chip Caray’s insights. Pen and pad in hand.”

EXACTLY. Not sure why so many on this blog despise Joe Morgan, yet tolerate Chip’s banter.

I actually think he’s funny once in a while. I think the best partner for him, is Skip.

fastasballs

“Geez I can’t even spell tonight, cleaver=clever”

You should’ve left it alone. I thought it was intentional. :-)

By bravesfan

July 24, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this

Here come the Rockies again SD 3 COL 3 top of the 8th

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

Android Jones…back, back, back, back…to the dugout. Once again. Brilliant. Comes out of his 3 month slump for what…a week?

By woogidy

July 24, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

Defense isn’t overrated Tex is a gold glover.

By Long Duck Dong

July 24, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

Man is Andruw a rally killer. I was against moving him down because I keep thinking he would get out of this slump, but he is just at bat in too many big situations to be hitting fourth.

By The Grinch

July 24, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this

Fastasballs, you were probably just thinking of Barbara Billingsly (as I often do…what a hottie).

Good post, Berman; that guy always looks as if he’s downed a pitcher of beer over 2 pounds of steak and taters in about 5 minutes and trying to keep in in while he talks.

Salty for Tex? I suppose it’s the best thing under the circumstances. IMO, Salty will be a better and more exciting player cheaper longer, but unfortunately not here. He has no business doing anything but catching; it’s like trading a really cool car we can’t drive for a kind of cool car we can. Tex won’t be better than Salty(though he will at 1b), but he’ll be a damn sight better than Salty watching Thorman/Woodward/Franco/McCann from the pine. I hope we bring up Pena and cut Woodward in the process, and snag some pitching help while we’re at it. With Tex it won’t have to be as big-name to make us instant contenders.

There we go!

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

On an earlier blog someone mentioned that Bobby’s cheering is annoying. His team likes it and they seem to do better as he gets louder. Whatever helps these guys. Maybe, TP should stand on the top steps and cheer at least he does something. Go Jeffy!!!

By uga-dawg

July 24, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

other than chipper not one batter knows how to make adjustments. holy crap an extra base hit from francouer on a two strike pitch,no less. he could really help us if he went on a power binge.

By jon

July 24, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

man…julio is behind EVERYTHING! Drop the bat weight! Do something!

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 24, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

Is it just me or do the outlines of the batter’s boxes look closer to home plate than is normal?

By TennesseePaul

July 24, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

That’s right! I heard that. Joe has my back. Give the old man a lighter bat.

GO BRAVES

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 24, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Frenchy & KJ…NICE! Dearest Andruw, did you notice the Chipper’s, the B-Mac’s, the Jeff’s and KJ’s of the world with a game plan when they’re batting. Maybe someday, we can actually have an approach, a thought process when hitting Nah, I didn’t think so. OK, I’ll quit my b@#ching now, we’re up 3-0, the Rocks just tied the Pads…Wildcard, baby!

By woogidy

July 24, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

The only thing Julio shoud be using a bat for right now is a walking stick. He is awful.

By rotomeister

July 24, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this

An-DRUW Jones. By my count he’s 1 for his last 15 with 8 strikeouts and at least 1 DP ground ball. That hot streak was a short one. It’s going to be interesting to see what kind of contract agent Boras is able to get for this particular client.

Nice inning for the offense anyway thanks to big hits by the three in back of A. Jones.

By heath

July 24, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

come on rockies…let’s get some runs.

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

The spotlight is on Julio #1, mets ditched him #2 his age #3 1st base is needy Go Chipper!!!

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 24, 2007 11:28 PM | Link to this

Chipper = MVP, MVP, MVP! and, then, there’s Andruw…

By ssiscribe

July 24, 2007 11:29 PM | Link to this

Top of the evening, denizens. Some late-night bloggin’ from the Scribe.

Huddy looks good tonight. Lots of grounders. Lots of movement. Looks to be in total control. Meanwhile, Matt Morris don’t look like the guy who was good for the Cardinals a few years ago. No way in hell the Braves need to go after this guy.

Now, somebody they should go after — Mark Teixeira (noted transition from the Scribe): I have given this a ton of thought for, oh, the past 15 hours or so. And I’ve come to the conclusion I’d trade Salty for Tex. Here’s my reasoning:

— Potential vs. performance: I think most of us on here believe Salty is going to be a great player, if he stays healthy. I’ve said I think Salty will be a better major leaguer than Escobar. But Tex is a .284 career hitter who has never hit fewer than 26 homers and never drove in fewer than 84 runs in a season. He’s also committed eight errors in the past three years and has won a Gold Glove.

— Impact: Imagine the Braves’ lineup with Tex batting cleanup. Edgar second, followed by Chipper (switch hitter), Tex (switch hitter), AJ (I’d drop him to fifth in an instant), McCann sixth and Frenchy seventh. That puts Kelly Johnson either leadoff or eighth, depending on who is in left field. That, my friends, is a solid lineup offensively, and would cause big-time problems for any pitching staff.

— Future planning: Tex is signed through 2008. I think the Braves need to make every effort to try and lock him up long-term. Yes, Boras is his agent and Tex already has said (from what I’ve read) he wants to become a free agent. But he played at Georgia Tech, so he knows Atlanta. He knows the Braves’ record of success. If he comes here and reaches the playoffs, that’s going to help potentially sway him to stay here long-term, too. The Braves do have several players getting raises in 2008 and 2009, but AJ won’t be here and there is talk Liberty may pump some more cash into the payroll.

Look at it like this, folks. AJ is 95 percent gone. The odds of locking up Tex is 50-50, I would say. You replace the power numbers you lose in AJ. You have a guy who is 27 years old, coming into the prime of his career, who can become the anchor of your team — along with Francoeur and McCann.

If the Braves can put together a package deal to get a reliever from Texas — from what I’ve read, most of the Rangers’ bullpen is in play on the market — then so much the better. Even if not, I still do this deal. Salty, as much as I would love seeing him stay in Atlanta, doesn’t fit here. You have a young, two-time All-Star catcher who is locked up into the next decade. You need a power-hitting first baseman, and you may have the chance to get him for the pennant race, in a crappy league where you could be good enough to freakin win the pennant and go play in the World Series. You have to keep Escobar. If Chipper gets hurt, Escobar plays third. If Edgar gets traded in the offseason, Escobar starts at short next year. If you want to move KJ back to left next year, Escobar spends the winter learning to play second (his weakest position).

Potentially, Salty is going to be a huge star. Potential is nice, but Teixeira is better. Potential isn’t going to send the Braves to the World Series, but Teixeira just might. AJ is leaving for free agency. How much longer will John Smoltz hold up? How about Chipper? Cox?

If I’m John Schuerholz, I realize there is an opportunity right now, and I seize the day. I trade a star of the future for a star of the present, and look to win right here, right now.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this

The spotlight is on Julio #1, mets ditched him #2 his age #3 1st base is needy Go Chipper!!!

By fastasballs

July 24, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this

I really hope this Tex deal works out. Odds are it’s a multi player deal with a bullpen arm coming our way as well.

If Tex comes here & hits CLEAN UP, not 5th or 6th, he will make a huge impact on this team. Andruw has killed this team all year batting clean up. Yes he has good power #’s, but he should have 90 plus RBI’s right now. I’ll gain a little more respect for Cox if Tex bats clean up, well that is IF the Braves get him.

Maybe JS is making a one stop deal for all of the team’s needs. Well a first baseman & bullpen help. We don’t have to have a starter to get the wildcard. The Padres are having serious pitching issues with Peavy hurting & Young straining an oblique today. Yeah I’d love to win the division, but the wildcard will satisfy me as well.

By Ron

July 24, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

Wayne Your 10:11 post was not too good!!! Usually you say pretty good stuff, but man you would trade that much for Bedard!!! I understand 2 of the players but not all three of them!!! I sure as hell would not trade Smith for Conine!!! I think we can get Conine for Prado and Larew!!! I know I know Prado dont have much trade value, BUT what the hell do you guys SERIOUSLY think that the Orioles are gonna get for him!!! I know Larew had Tommy John Surgery, but he can still be traded!!! Thats about as good a package as the Orioles are gonna get!!!

By bravesfan

July 24, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

Just FYI Hudson’s ground out-fly out ratio is 13-0

By Stuart

July 24, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

DOB, I am all for Salty for Tex. However, that would only cure one of the 3 ills for the braves. Do you think the Rangers would part with a RP in the deal as reported on cnnsi.com. Also, I personally was impressed with Garland in person earlier in the year vs. the yankees when I had the opportunity to go to Chicago, and would love to have him. Have you heard what it would take to get him? I think Escobar for Garland might work, but that is my opinion. I also think Bobby would have to put Smoltz inbetween Huddy and Garland if we got him because Huddy and Garland are very similar. If everything worked like my scenario, then the braves would be in business for not only a penant, but a W.S. title.

By Maine Braves Fan

July 24, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, How close are we to getting Tex for salty and do you think thst it a good deal or not??

By ssiscribe

July 24, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

DOB: What, you told Huddy to get a bunch of grounders tonight? At this rate, you’ll be there long before Hank III jumps on stage.

Smoltz and Huddy pitch like this, I’ll take my chances in a five- or seven-game series against anybody in the Senior Circuit.

The Scribe abides.

—30—

By parks

July 24, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this

Scribe, that was perfect. Nice post

By mr baseball

July 24, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this

What is the fascination the Braves have with washed up position players, especially former Braves. First Otis Nixon. Then Rico Brogna. Then Ken Caminiti. Then the immortal outfield duo of Mondesi & Jordan. Now Julio. Not a dam one of them worked out. Not one.

They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. When do the Braves’ “brain trust” (oxymoron, anyone) come to the conclusion that everybody else who has watched the last few nights has already reached?

JULIO IS DONE. HE’S GOT NOTHING LEFT.

I’ll concede he can still play a little D. Big deal. The Braves won the World Series in 1995 with a statue at 1B and a clumsy 1B playing LF. Those are the last 2 positions on the field you need to be concerned about defense.

If Cox doesn’t have faith in Salty at 1B, how about Kelly Johnson? If he can make the transition from SS to LF and LF to 2B, how hard can it be to learn to play 1B? Not gonna hold my breath.

Other than Davies’ last start or 2, when was the last game the Braves got a poor effort from a starter. Seems like it’s been a while. It may be preferable to stand pat rather than sacrifice a prospect for an overpaid, likely mediocre starting pitcher.

We still need a lefty reliever though. I vote for Mike Stanton, but I’m afraid the penny-pinching GM is going to bring back Tom Martin. It didn’t bother him that the Mets released Julio. So what if the Rockies dumped Martin? He’s cheap.

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 24, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this

Do you think right now in the commercial break, that Chip and Joe are pulling each other’s hair out? Hitting each other with their purses? Wow, Joe b@#ch-slapped Chip about his ridiculous argument that McGuire/Sosa HR chase “saved” baseball back in ‘98. My only memory of the ‘98 season was the Braves winning 106 games and doing it with class

By heath

July 24, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this

ladies and gentlemen, we MAY have our first CG of the year tonight. just over 60 pitches through 5 innings, hudson has a decent chance it he keeps up this performance. what lift that would be for the bullpen if he could.

By Superman

July 24, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this

scribe 100% totally agree

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this

Why in the world would anybody want to see or hear Skip Caray? A glutton for punishment, maybe. He is negative and it appears that as the game goes on he is smashed or mentally unbalanced. Most of the time Chip does not respond to his bull. Like anyone’s dad he allows him to say his peace and listens (maybe not) but ya know “that’s my dad” I really admire Chip for that allegiance,never shows him up even though he deserves worst than that

By MurphyRules

July 24, 2007 11:48 PM | Link to this

I wondered about that Simpson-Caray exchange, too. I almost got a bit uncomfortable.

Chip really needs to go learn something from his dad. He’s absolutely terrible. Give me Skip and Joe every night, and I’d be a happy man!

By Interested Observer

July 24, 2007 11:49 PM | Link to this

Huddy’s looking great. Six innings, only three hits. Must be about time to go to the bullpen!

By Superman

July 24, 2007 11:49 PM | Link to this

Mr baseball I think I just threw up when you said Tom Martin. I would rather see Julio pitch left handed and play first at the same time!!

By HP

July 24, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this

Could this be the Braves first complete game and a shutout by a starter this year. Tim Hudson has 70 pitches in 6 innings so far.

By Wayne in Utah

July 24, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this

Mr Baseball What a contrast. You scoff at the Braves bringing back total retreads, then you offer to bring back Mike Stanton as a situational lefty!

Is that like the pot calling the kettle black?

Ron No way does the O’s trade Bedard for anything less than something similar to my offer.

And, Conine is with the Reds now. And Dan Smith is never going to start more than 4-5 games in Atlanta.

Gotta give something to get something…..

By Stuart

July 24, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this

The tex move would be great, but to win a W.S. the braves need a SP and a RP as well. I would not sneeze at the wild card, or a division, but it is been there done that. I want a championship, and i think it will only come if they find some arms along with a bat.

By woogidy

July 24, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this

BossLady, ever hear Harry Carey? Skip is heading that direction. I love it. He is what we need in this over sensatized, dry era of sports broadcasting.

By BossLady

July 24, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this

Chip seems to coward down to everybody, maybe losing his cubs job made him gun shy. He should take on Joe and let the audience hear it,too. Joe is like Don Sutton, he knows all. He continues to call the other guy Boog, which is a down speaking manner. Who told Joe he owns baseball?

By MurphyRules

July 24, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this

Chip Caray is merely a baseball PR guy who is overwhelmed by every minor accomplishment and thinks every so-so player in baseball history should be in the Hall of Fame.

Ever notice that he never offers his opinion on ANYTHING, merely sets up Joe or Skip to offer their opinion? He’s perfect for TBS and their goal of becoming more “national,” leaving behind Braves fans. But don’t look for Chip to give you insight on anything a routine baseball fan couldn’t already figure out.

By Savannah Guy

July 24, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this

scribe Good post and well put. Thing is, Julio is all you say but a little more (dugout/club influence) and less ($).

Kelly J at 1st? Hell yes. I’ve been saying that for years…well, months. Kelly is another potential John Olerud.

By Superman

July 25, 2007 12:00 AM | Link to this

I agree Chip sucks. I think he is a cubs fan through and through and is just a company man for TBS. He couldnt care less about the braves in face I think he gets more excited when the opposing team gets a big hit or a good defensive play than atlanta does the same.

By woogidy

July 25, 2007 12:00 AM | Link to this

Nice play Julio… err wait? That was Julio in foul territory right?

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

I turned my sound off so I didn’t have to listen to Chip anymore. He offers nothing to the game, only takes away.

Is there anyway to find out which team leads the league in leaving the bases loaded? The Braves have a ton of innings end with the sacks full.

Not a better sight in baseball than Bonds watching strike three cross the plate, priceless.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

Chipper Just got intentially walked AGAIN!!! If you did not know the lineup you would think Chipper was the Cleanup hitter!!! Who ever heard of INTENTIONALLY WALKING the #3 hitter TO GET TO THE Cleanup hitter? And when the Pitcher walked Andruw the Fans started booing!!! What the HELL, most times when the pitcher walks the Cleanup hitter, the fans NEVER boo,(unless they walked in the run)!!! I respect Bobby Cox soooo much, but he is a REAL IDIOT!!! There is NO justification for this crap!!! Loyalty goes BOTH ways Bobby!!!

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 25, 2007 12:04 AM | Link to this

I vote Aye on moving Kelly to first also. Yo, Homeboy…. You keeping track?

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this

81 pitches in 7 innings, and he is looking great! CG shutout???

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 25, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this

Does eveyone remember in the 2nd Bad News Bears movie, “Let them play, Let them play” chant? Well, I am starting one right now in my living room for Hudson directed to Bobby: “Let him pitch…let him pitch…let him pitch”. Hey, Braves Nation is losing sleep over this. We deserve the complete game!

By woogidy

July 25, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this

BossLady, Boog is his nickname.

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this

You know, I think Joe was a bit out of line with Chip. I can only speak for myself, but after the strike, all I watched was the braves. I didnt care anything about anything else, until the HR chase. I remember getting up every morning before class to check Sportcenter to see who hit one. HR race was great. The controversy since has cheapened it some, and it may be overstating it a bit to say it ‘saved’ baseball, but the HR chase did help baseball move pass the strike debacle a great deal, period.

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this

scribe totally agree with your post regarding tex. though would not be opposed if the catcher was mccann and not salty. i think salty will and maybe already is better defensively than brian.hate to trade away a guy who bats from both sides and who is probably going to hit 30 plus for a long time. hudson looks like maddux circa 1995 tonight. hey DOB remember the game GREG thre against the cardinals on a sunday night that year complete game eighty or so pitches less than 2 hours.

By bravesfan

July 25, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this

This is on Braves website

Notes: Braves linked to Teixeira Source confirms deal in works for Rangers slugger By Mark Bowman / MLB.com

SAN FRANCISCO — As the Braves were preparing to play the Giants at AT&T Park on Tuesday night, the buzz at other Major League parks across the country was that they had emerged as the favorites to land Mark Teixeira in a trade with the Rangers. While the Braves would certainly benefit from the offensive and defensive skills Teixeira would bring as their first baseman, they still have a definite need and desire to improve their pitching staff before next Tuesday’s trade deadline.

But one Major League scout confirmed the Braves and Rangers are still discussing a trade that would be headlined with Teixeira and almost definitely include Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Atlanta’s 22-year-old switch-hitting catcher who stands as one of the most attractive prospects on the trade market.

Another National League scout said the Braves might be discussing also including a young pitching prospect (possibly Jo-Jo Reyes) and Elvis Andrus, the 18-year-old phenom shortstop who is currently experiencing the struggles of the maturation process with Class A Myrtle Beach.

While Andrus has been promoted as one of the game’s next great shortstops, the scout said, “[Braves general manager] John Schuerholz will deal a kid like that if the deal is right.”

On what is a very thin trade market, Teixeira seemingly stands as the most attractive draw. The 27-year-old first baseman, who is hitting .301 with a .406 on-base percentage and a .541 slugging percentage, is in the final year of his contract and would be eligible for arbitration in the offseason. He would likely command a salary of at least $11.5 million next year.

With the likelihood that Andruw Jones is playing his final season in Atlanta, Teixeira, who is seeking his fourth consecutive 30-homer season, would be supply some of the lost power and come much cheaper than Jones.

Teixeira’s agent, Scott Boras, almost definitely wants his client on the free-agent market after the 2008 season. But the Braves may still be willing to take the gamble in hopes that he’d at least provide an immediate benefit and also prove to be a productive force next year.

By mr baseball

July 25, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this

Wayne: The retreads were all position players. About the only over-the-hill pitcher I can remember them bringing back was Remlinger, and he wasn’t that terrible. The Stanton reference is a little facetious, playing off the GM’s predilection for bringing back washed-up players. I believe every one I mentioned had been released. Stanton is still gainfully employed as a pitcher and has a little left in his well-used left arm. I’d prefer someone like Marte from the Pirates, but I have very little confidence in our GM after his most recent trade that left the Braves without a lefty reliever at least marginally capable of getting out LH hitters. The Martin reference was pure unadulterated sarcasm.

By Superman

July 25, 2007 12:09 AM | Link to this

meant in fact not in face in my last post

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 25, 2007 12:09 AM | Link to this

Shoot guys, I miss old Dizzy Dean and Pee Wee Reese. Great announcing team.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 12:09 AM | Link to this

Wayne I see what you are saying about Bedard!!! But I would not trade all three!!! I would trade Salty, Harrison, Devine, And Dan Smith!!! You honestly dont think they will take that package IF they really want to trade Bedard? Dan Smith is a pretty good pitcher!!! He is worth WAY more than Conine!!! Conine is solid, but the Best the Reds could get is Prado and Larew!!! I dont see them getting ANYTHING any better than that!!! I would be STUNNED if they did!!! And yeah I forgot that he is with the Reds!!! He has been with SOOOOOOOOOO many teams, its hard to keep track of where he is at!!! LOL!!!

By Tomas

July 25, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this

I prefer salty to be the every day first baseman over Mark Texeira.The only downside of salty is that he isn’t as good defensively as Mark Texeira, but I believe he offense has the same or more potential than him, and he is still very young, and can develop better first baseman skills.

What I’m really woried about is the garland trade, I prefer renteria a zillion times over him.

By JJMB

July 25, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this

Chip wouldn’t have a job, if not for almighty nepotism. I can’t wait for his f-ing half brother to show up.

Joe Simpson played. He at least knows the game.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this

Methuselah gets a double!

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 25, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this

Julio is impressing me. And you can’t chalk these hits up to home-field adrenalin, either.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:13 AM | Link to this

Julio looks like me running the bases!

By Bravesfanin MetsLand

July 25, 2007 12:13 AM | Link to this

I have to say, watching Hudson just dominate Bonds… this is a team that is meant to go deep in the playoffs. Now hear me out, and DOB, please feel free to tell me if you feel I’m wrong.. I have been a Braves fan for 25 years now, and during those division championship teams of the 90’s there were teams you just knew were meant to beat up on weaker teams, and win 90-100 games, but even as a fan had to know wouldn’t compete with the other elite teams.

And honestly, where I feel it all begins, starting pitching. You need guys who throw hard in the post season. I loved watching Glavine and Maddux pitch when they were here, but come on, the Yankee teams, or any of the good hitting teams we faced in the 90’s were really going to be scared of guys throwing in the low 90’s? I know they won their share of post season games, but be serious, in a short series, you want Kerry Woods, you want Roger Clemens, you want Josh Beckett.

This year we have Smoltz and Hudson, and when on I’ll take Chuck James in a third game anytime.

Add to that, This line up is tough top to bottom, and I really do believe it is a good playoff team. That said, unfortunately, sometimes teams built for the short series don’t make it to the post season, just as a lot of the teams we had in the 90’s were built for the long haul and not the 7 game match up. Trust me guys, let’s just get into the tournement by hook or by crook, and we’ll be in good shape.

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this

The only place KJ needs to be moved to is full time 2B. I would say LF, but Brandon Jones ETA is next year and he is a LF, but if BJ shifts to RF, KJ would be great in LF, and I think JF could handle CF. Then the braves could spend the money on a SP or Tex long term. I also dont want to hear about KJ’s arm, because LF is where you stick a poor armed OF and by next year the elbow should be fine. If Escobar is still with us, then he could have 2B.

By MurphyRules

July 25, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this

Why does everyone want Conine? If we get a Reds first baseman, wouldn’t Hatteberg be better? Check the numbers.

By BossLady

July 25, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this

I know, Joe “over uses” his nickname. Occasionally throw it in but he has made a habit of it so much, I called him the other guy, see. At least let the man’s surname to be spoken during the sportscast.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this

Ron Lerew and Prado?? Those are our castaways. Maybe the Reds would take them for Conine, but would you if you were the Reds? I wouldn’t.

I think enough teams are looking for a firstbaseman that can hit that the Reds would be able to get more for him than Lerew and Prado. Just my 2 cents worth.

Huddy sure looks good tonight!

Bedard is a stud, and still young. And did I mention he is a lefty?

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this

Gee just think what Chipper will do when he actually feels good at the plate. If he had not been hurt he would be at the top of the MVP race about now.

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

Whow can logically bash Francour? Guy is batting above .290, and leads the team in RBI’s. What more can you ask for?

By BossLady

July 25, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this

I hope Huddy gets the save LOL

By woogidy

July 25, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this

Tonight, while Hudson was dealing, Lance Cormier pitched a complete game shutout for Richmomnd while getting 19 groundouts and - get this 83 pitches.

By heath

July 25, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this

with the cool weather and less than 95 pitches….hudson should be given the change to finish the game…

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this

Stuart Would you rather have Escobar in right, BJones in left and KJ stay at second?? Escobar has a cannon! Frenchy scares me a bit in center though. Sometimes he looks lost on his approach to the ball….not always, but on ocassion.

Bravesfan in Mets Land Didn’t you just LOVE the Randy Johnson/Curt Schilling D-Backs a few years back!!! You are dead on about what has seemed to be a good way to win the WS. Flamethrowers, and at least 2-3 of them. You can dominate a short series with them. Remember the Cubs vs the Braves!

By nfieldr

July 25, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this

Wow! I’m not sure that I like a Salty for Tex deal, straight up… much less if we have to give up a couple of young pitchers. As Tomas said, Salty may not be the defensive equal to Tex at first base “right now”, but he can certainly improve there. Defense can definitely be “learned”. Also, remember, Tex was originally a 3rd baseman and only moved to first because of Blalock.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

Edgar is money isn’t he? Tex following him & Chipper would equate to lots of RBI’s. If KJ is moved back to lead off or Willie gets hot again, it gets even better.

Come on Huddy, blow Baroid away & nail down the complete game shutout.

By Savannah Guy

July 25, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this

Stuart: well, I guess you have it all figured out for us don’t you. Nice to know everything, eh? Just let Bobby and JS know what to do next and then fill us all in after that. Oh, and thanks for letting us know what you don’t want to hear. Wouldn’t want to do that. I’m sure you didn’t mean to sound so…dismissive and authoritarian.

By BossLady

July 25, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

I’m out of here, I have a 6:00 call

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this

any visions of that florida game anyone?

By heath

July 25, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this

…nice update on lance cormier. let’s hope he pitches similarly in the next couple of “tune-ups” down in the minors. he could be a welcomed addition to the rotation without giving up any young talent.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this

Conine or Hatteburg. Either way, I am happy. That is assuming we don’t deal NaCl for Teixiera.

I would prefer to get a stud pitcher for Salty myself.

Try this on for some logic: I would personally prefer Salty over Tex at first base EVERY night for the long term, IF he can play there or learn to play there!

BUT, I know BC isn’t going to move AJ out of the cleanup spot unless it is a proven bat, like Tex. So, if getting Tex gets AJ out of the cleanup spot, then I am ok with that deal. Tex IS an excellent defensive first sacker too!

BUT, I still prefer to keep the kid, or get a stud arm for him.

BUT, I am not running the team either.

Whaddya think?

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this

I’m having visions of Florida earlier in the year…..

By JJMB

July 25, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this

Boss Lady, did you ever see Boog Powell? EVer heard of him? After you do the google search, you’ll see why Boog is a cool nickname for him.

By Choppinmama

July 25, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this

Oh Lordy, Lordy. Huddy’s walked two straight in the 9th. What’s he trying to do - imitate his bullpen? Make Barry hit into a double play RIGHT NOW!

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:38 AM | Link to this

woogidy Wow. That is some good news! Cormier could really help us out right about now.

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 12:40 AM | Link to this

Wayne, I like your idea, but I actually think Escobar would make a great CF. It would take some time to learn the position, maybe even some time in Richmond. He really moves well and has a cannon. If Bill Hall can make the move, why couldn’t Escobar.

I would not be scared of Francoeur in CF, because he moves well and is athletic. I wouldnt do it unless I had to, but he could play there, he and KJ played CF at AA.

I have also seen Brandon Jones in person. BJ hit .293 with 74 Ribs in AAA, and just got promoted to Richmond. He is going to be a stud, and will be a player.

I just think KJ is better than the we have really given him credit for because we fell in love with Escobar. My whole point is KJ needs to be in there somewhere.

By Choppinmama

July 25, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

Alllriiight! Barry does nada and the fans are leaving the park like rats from a sinking ship.

Timmy’s got a hit and a complete game tonight - thanks for a superb performance. I’m still wide awake!!

By Ron

July 25, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this

Wayne I would take that deal for Conine if I am the Reds!!! I just do not see them getting anything better!!! Prado is not a bad player, and Larew does have alot of promise!!! That would be a GOOD deal for the Reds, and us!!! Yes I know Bedard is a STUD Lefty!!! Thats why I would trade Salty, Harrison, Devine, and Smith!!! That is a GOOD Deal!!! I dont see anybody else giving up more than that!!! Yes I understand other teams like Boston has Bucholtz and players like that, BUT I dont see the Sox trading guys like that!!! And we would!!! That is more than fair for both teams!!! But of course the Orioles dont have to do nothing if they dont want to!!! But if they really wanted to trade him, I think that would be a Great package for him!!!

By Savannah Guy

July 25, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this

Chips little speech on Selig “not seperating personal feelings on Bonds” almost made me feel sorry for Selig.

It’s only ONR RUN. Let Huddy finish….shyte. Here Comes playbook.

By Tomas

July 25, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this

This is what I would do:

• First trade Yunel Escobar, and Kyle Davies for Erik Bedard.

-Second Trade Salty for Texeira if they agree to pay some cash.

• And promote Blaine Boyer, Joey Devine or Phil Stockman, in place of JoJo Reyes.

Or abort the first trade if Jojo Reyes proves to be consistent in the next two games.

By Choppinmama

July 25, 2007 12:45 AM | Link to this

Too bad, Timmy. A bloop hit and you get yanked. A superb performance nonetheless.

Now, the bullpen……………..

By Matt Jones' Hair

July 25, 2007 12:45 AM | Link to this

God, this reeks of the FLA game.

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this

Wow, couple of thoughts.

So this is what we traded for three years ago. Better late than never I guess. Think where we would be if he pithced like this the last year and a half.

How bout we almost traded Hudson so we would be able to sign T. Glavine. How bout deals that never happend. Whew.

J. Smoltz, T. Hudson, C. James for the first three games in the playoffs don’t look too bad. Problem is getting to the playoffs. If Jo JO and Buddy can continue their good forturne not to mention if Cormier can help with a few starts down the streach our staff may not be in bad shape at all.

Alls good in Braves land tonight.

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this

cmon wick earn that post game beer

By Mike

July 25, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this

tough luck for huddy, a little looper ruins the shutout. great game though, and gutsy pitch sequence against bonds in the ninth

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy What exactly did you read from Stuarts post that got your shorts all in a wad??? All he said was “don’t tell me about the bad arm thing”. I happen to agree on the arm thing.

Why would you want to come after somebody for saying nothing offensive?

As for moving KJ around, I am not sure I would move him back out to left, but I sure wouldn’t be afraid to put him at second, left, or even first if he had time to learn the position.

Someone earlier said that first was easy to learn. I beg to differ. A good firstbaseman has to have good footwork, be able to handle grounders, and be able to scoop them out of the dirt. Not all easy things to do. Many times the outfielders are there because all through their youth, they could stay with grounders.

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this

Oh no!

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this

florida all over again

By The Grinch

July 25, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this

This is absolutely sickening. Hudson deserves a hell of a lot better than this.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 12:50 AM | Link to this

MEMO TO BOBBY COX, NEVER LET HUDSON PITCH THE NINTH AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE THEN WE WILL HAVE TO BRING IN WICKMAN TO BAIL HIM OUT!!! AND WICKMAN JUST GAVE UP A 2 RUN DOUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Savannah Guy

July 25, 2007 12:51 AM | Link to this

Feliz Navidad?????? Chip was so damn excited to see that hit. Disgusting.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 12:51 AM | Link to this

What the f*** is wrong with this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I f*** give up, same s** ever f*** night

By MurphyRules

July 25, 2007 12:52 AM | Link to this

SON OF A B##!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By HP

July 25, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

Wickman does it again. No surprise. He sucks on the road. Why doesn’t Bobby Cox understand that.

By MurphyRules

July 25, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

SON OF A B##!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Superman

July 25, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

I am SICK dang it

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, what is your problem? I dont know everything, I just know more than you. I happen to try and post succenctly and precisely. If that makes me sound like a know it all, I can live with it even though it is not my intent. I follow baseball and am passionate about my braves. If I challenge you with my ideas, well tough for you.

BTW, this game is turning into a nightmare, and underscores the need not just for Tex, but for bullpen help.

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

wickman is mentally done in this one

By Bubbaallred

July 25, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

You have got to be kidding me. Another blown save. What is wrong with us?

By Ron

July 25, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

Well we gonna lose this game!!! Bobby you ever let Hudson pitch the 9th again, if you do This blog is gonna pay a hit man and finish you off!!! NEVER AGAIN BOBBY!!!! NEVER EVERRRRRRRRR AGAIN!!!! I aint believing this crap!!!

By flylikeeagle

July 25, 2007 12:54 AM | Link to this

Cox is impatient person.. he should had left Huddy there. This thing with the bullpen is making me so mad!! \

By Tomas

July 25, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this

Whats happening with the bulpen? Wickman, Soriano, and Yates have been hit really hard lately, wickman cant get an out.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this

Can’t believe we just blew another game for Hudson!!!

Stuart Agree on KJ and Escobar. I like both of these kids. I think Salty is probably going to be our best trade pawn.

Wickman and Soriano are really breaking our hearts lately!

Also, Harris definitely blew it in left. With Andruw backing you up, you ALWAYS dive for that ball. He looked very tentative.

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this

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By Savannah Guy

July 25, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this

Our closer. Cheeseburgers all around. Makes you just feel comfortble doesn’t it. What a disservice to Huddy and the Braves.

By The Grinch

July 25, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this

I think it’s safe to say we need bullpen help a HELL of a lot more than we need another bat. My God, what a clusterf&*k. I’m still not over the last time this happened; Hudson ought to sue. And this to a monumentally crappy team. G’night, all.

By Bubbaallred

July 25, 2007 12:57 AM | Link to this

I’m beginning to really dislike Wickman. How about Moylan as a closer?

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this

DOB

I dunno man. This team can catch the Mets?

By sick

July 25, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this

tex is great, but i think we need a bullpen arm before anything. or a close who can freaking walk without generating a bead of sweat.

By Coach (The Blowpen Stinks)

July 25, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this

Blowpen redux. Tie ballgame and Bonds just might get another at bat. Wonderful !

By HP

July 25, 2007 12:59 AM | Link to this

Did anyone see Hudson getting p**. This is all happening because of Bobby Cox. Wickman has been struggling on the road entire season. It is time for some changes. Let Peter Molyan close out the game on road if we need to, but not Wickman please.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 12:59 AM | Link to this

THIS MAKES ME SICK.

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 1:00 AM | Link to this

first pitch swinging again after a long half inning. if we dont score here this one is over.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 1:00 AM | Link to this

IF we lose this game: MEMO TO JS DO NOT TRADE SALTY FOR TEX!!!! TRADE SALTY FOR SNELL OR A PITCHER LIKE THAT!!!! TOOOOOOO DAMN LATE TO TRY AND GET TEX NOW, IF WE LOSE!!!! If we lose this game we gotta win 2 straight just to win the series so that we dont split with this pathedic team!!!

And Barry Bonds just made a web gem in the 10th, Yep we just lost this game, I dont know the last time he made a play lik that!!! Unbelievable!!! This is pathedic!!!!! Oh how it is a curse to be a Sports fan!!! Life would be sooo much easier if I was not a sports fan!!!

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 1:00 AM | Link to this

Where is overlord…thats why you dont let the pitcher go nine if you think is gassed.

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 25, 2007 1:00 AM | Link to this

I dont believe what I just saw. I have a 6:30 wake-up call…the dvr just went on. I better wake up to some good news. Un-freaking-believable.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 1:01 AM | Link to this

What are your guys thoughts on this, really. I mean this loss is a tough one.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 1:01 AM | Link to this

This is just normal Bobby Cox not understanding the strengths & weaknesses of his own players. Wickman is a contact guy, he either needs to start the inning or come in with nobody on base. You need a stikeout guy in with two on & the tying run at the plate. As everyone remembers the same exact thing happened in Florida.

By Superman

July 25, 2007 1:03 AM | Link to this

If we get Tex can we pleaaassseee get Gange in that deal too?

By heath

July 25, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

wickman should never come in the middle of an inning. he is not a strikeout guy and he is going to give up hits. if cox was going to bring him in, should have brought him in to start the inning.

By nfieldr

July 25, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this

Hey Wayne in Utah, I didn’t say that playing first was “easy to learn”, all I said was that defense “could be learned”.
With some work, I truly believe that just about any pro ball player can improve his defensive skills considerably.

By BossLady

July 25, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this

Hey Murph, thanks,I could not say it better. Now, it’s all about me. I left to go to bed, must get up very early. Now, I have an Absolute with a tall ginger ale. I know “they” will arrive before me to sign in first. These Braves can ruin your life and career. F?(% them!! and whoever they rode in on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Todd A

July 25, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this

Another extra inning defeat looms,while Bonds gets one more shot…..a walk off at that.Thanks,Wickman.You piece of #$%&.

By bravesfan

July 25, 2007 1:06 AM | Link to this

Ok well here comes Barry with his birthday present to us all hit is fixen to hit a walk off mark it down

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 1:07 AM | Link to this

That looked like a “young” Barry on that catch in left!

Tough game. Would be a good one to come back and win.

By Bravesfanin MetsLand

July 25, 2007 1:07 AM | Link to this

We can not lose this game. Another gem by Hudson potentially gone bad. Visions of Florida dancing in my head now. the biggest problem I have is a month or so ago, if Wickman did something like this (and he did) I would just yell… Soriano should be the closer!!! but right now, I don’t know i that would rteally work either. Come on Braves

By Ron

July 25, 2007 1:07 AM | Link to this

Efrim I dont see this team catching the Mets!!! They gotta be laughing their damned asses off right now!!! We just blew a 4 run lead in the 9th against the PATHEDIC Giants!!! SAD!!! TRULY SAD!!!

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 1:08 AM | Link to this

I rarely, rarely second guess bobby but Franco batting here is crazy. His bat is slow enough not to mention the guy pitching is thowing some serious heat.

Although he did hit it on a button, still does not make since.

Hudson, I feel bad for him but if he was worn out he should said so instead of trying to get a complete game. You cant walk the first two batters in the ninth, thats a recipe for disaster.

We can not lose this game.

By Superman

July 25, 2007 1:08 AM | Link to this

What the FFFF how do you leave Julio in there facing a guy throwing 95 mph heat??? Where is Salty? I have always been a strong supporter or Cox but this is making me wonder if Bobby has alzheimers or something

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 1:08 AM | Link to this

This team just keeps giving games away. I wonder if Schuerholz is enjoying sitting back, relaxing and watching this team sink.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 1:09 AM | Link to this

You know Bonds is going deep, it’s the ending this game needs to yet another monumental melt down in what is the 2007 Atlanta Braves season.

Hudson was getting ground balls all night, yes he walked two, but by no means was he out of juice. It would have taken 3 or 4 singles to do the same damage Wickman caused in two batters.

Cox is infected with stupidity right now. I’m sick right now, just hoping the Braves get another shot at it

By pfunkatl2

July 25, 2007 1:09 AM | Link to this

Well, guess SLIM blew another, and Boo Boo is givin up be puttin Homer Villareal in…might as well get BB’s NEXT one outta the way…I feel just TERRIBLE for Huddy tho…what a GREAT pitched game for him

By Savannah Guy

July 25, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

Stuart, I don’t mind a challenge of ideas. Just the dismissive way, ahh nevermind. Wayne in Utah…whatever. Too p** now to even discuss. Not important anyway. No harm no foul. Forget I said it. I don’t need a double team tonight.

Why the hell did Cox take Huddy out for a damn bloop hit? Oh…that old playbook strikes again. Wickman does his special magic, Chip is hyper excited and it’s just crap. Now that bloated a* Bonds is gonna get a damn home run…watch. This bullpen is looking like 06 all over again and it really sucks.

By Bravesfanin MetsLand

July 25, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

We can not lose this game. Another gem by Hudson potentially gone bad. Visions of Florida dancing in my head now. the biggest problem I have is a month or so ago, if Wickman did something like this (and he did) I would just yell… Soriano should be the closer!!! but right now, I don’t know i that would rteally work either. Come on Braves

By mr baseball

July 25, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

Folks, haven’t you seen enough Braves baseball over the years to realize that whatever move Cox makes regarding the bullpen in close, late game situations, it’s the wrong one more often that not. Doesn’t matter what move he makes, it usually doesn’t work. You can look it up.

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

Oh great, just what we need….Villahoma.

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 1:11 AM | Link to this

I love Bobby, he makes great moves, but in my opinion, Wickman doesnt have the stuff to get out of jams like tonight. I dont understand why Cox makes that move. He is Todd Jones, really good to start an inning, but he doesnt have dominant stuff to get out of huge jams. Why not use Moylan, or Soriano (even though he has been really bad lately, he has electric stuff), or even Paronto in those situations.

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 1:12 AM | Link to this

hey once again dont blame bobby. take out hudson and everybody yells why not leave him in. leave him in its bobbys fault. braves had plenty of chances to break this thing open early and did not. just another example of a very very average team. offensively the braves just dont have the moxy of a good team. pitch to bonds bobbys fault dont pitch to bonds bobbys fault. how about some accoutability of the 25 guys on this team.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 1:12 AM | Link to this

Heath good point on when to bring in Wickman.

Efrim Did I miss something, or is my TV on a tape delay? I thought they were still playing! Did we lose when I blinked my eyes just now??

Come on guys, lets stay behind our team.

Not trying to defend BC, as he is a big boy and can defend himself, but you gotta dance with the one that brought you sometimes!

By Superman

July 25, 2007 1:13 AM | Link to this

EAT THAT BONDS

The braves may lose this game but please dont let it come at the hands of Barroid.

Not looking good for your show tonight DOB

By heath

July 25, 2007 1:14 AM | Link to this

these west coast games suck as it is, extra innings on the west coast should be illegal. come bravos, get a couple and let moylan close it out! i need sleep!

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this

The mistakes are racking up for Cox since the 9th started. Julio should have never hit. The wind is howling out to right & we have Thorman & Salty on the bench, both with power. Second, Why even take the chance with Barry in the 10th? Oscar offered two fat pitches that Bonds took, he got away with that move.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this

Efrim Dude you said you are from NY, so since all your friends are Met fans, We would not blame you if you got on the Mets bandwagon for the Rest of this year and then next year root for the Braves!!! It would feel SOOO much better!!! LOL!!! Im actually being serious!!! I cant jump off because I live in Mississippi AND the Braves are my team and there are no other teams I like, but damn this is getting really really ridiculous about this team!!! Not saying you like the Mets, Im sure you know what I am talking about!!!

By Bubbaallred

July 25, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this

I liked that nice birthday present …

From: Oscar To: Barry

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 1:17 AM | Link to this

Here comes mets drool

By Todd A

July 25, 2007 1:18 AM | Link to this

Reitsma and Kolb were absolutely dreadful,who can argue.But,I can’t remember a team blowing so many big leads in the 9th inning like this team has this year.Truly amazing.

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 1:20 AM | Link to this

First pitch double play by Renteria. Even our veteran hitters get over-anxious after watching this team blow another win.

No one is allowed to call Wickman a ‘closer’ from this point forward. He closes nothing, besides his mouth around food.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 1:21 AM | Link to this

The blog turned so dang negative in a span of 20 minutes!

We suck, we stink, we’ll never make it to the playoffs.

WOW. This is one reason I go away for long periods of time. Too dang much negativism, and my buddy N8 isn’t even on tonight!! (just kidding there Nate!)

BTW, I would have done a double switch with Oscar and Franco, to keep Diaz around for later. BUT, I am not the manager. I would also have had KJ running.

Also, I would have not been starting Willie in left, but Diaz instead.

By berigan(LA visiting)

July 25, 2007 1:21 AM | Link to this

Sigh…more Wickman bashing cuz he’s fat. What is soriano’s problem???? Well, they both have the same problem….Bobbycoxitis. There is no known cure.

By Superman

July 25, 2007 1:23 AM | Link to this

uga dawg 24 of the 25 guys didnt blow a 4 run ninth inning lead and whose decision was it to go back to wickman with runners on?? I saw at least 2 posts saying something about the florida game where wicky blew the game. If a few bloggers can remember such things dont you think Bobby Cox should too?

By BossLady

July 25, 2007 1:23 AM | Link to this

folks, forgive my tyrade. I just came from vacation last night. I wanted an Absolute anyway, this is what I’ve been doing since Thursday last. But, how can it hurt for more than one pitcher to warm up so that they have all bases covered, when Timmy struggled, then Wickman, then someone else ready/ This is full of S%it Maybe, I’ll stay up. Klesko is the same as Julio. Aurelia, I cannot criticize.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this

Here is the big question tonight:

A) Do you NEVER let Huddy pitch the 9th (Ron’s choice, I think!)?

or

B) Do you leave him in for another batter or two when he gave up Aurelia’s hit?

By heath

July 25, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this

peter looks BETTER than any guy in the bullpen!!!!

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this

braves offense in extra innings is pathetic. swinging early in the count, not putting any pressure on the defense, and not to mention a complete power outage. braves need to win this one for their psyche. 3,ahh.,5 coming up here nice job pete.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this

Moylan was lights out, get him a run & let HIM finish it. Too bad he didn’t relieve Hudson in the 9th, if so I’d be in bed right now & in a much better mood.

By pfunkatl2

July 25, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this

OK bois, we breezed thru the Big Head Bomber, got thru the 11th, now let’s WIN this for Huddy…damm shame he won’t get the W, but we GOTTA have this kids!!!

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this

This team really does make me sick sometimes. Only this team, that gets so close all the time but always manages to break your heart (outside of 1995) can get me screaming at my TV at 1AM when my pregnant wife is trying to sleep.

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this

Holy Sh*t Moylan got some serious stuff….This guy should be the closer with out doubt. Those two breaking pithes were down right awesome and he gets ground balls to boot.

By Todd A

July 25, 2007 1:27 AM | Link to this

WHY….WHY….WHY can’t this organization get the 9th inning figured out after 15 years?With as much of emphasis as the Braves have put on pitching during the Schuerholz-Cox era,one would think the they could find a hard thrower capable of getting the last 3 outs in a baseball game?

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 1:27 AM | Link to this

Kind of funny story to share, its not important or relevant to the discussion. The first time I ever went to a braves game on the road was in S.F. I was so excited. My company picked up the tab and I had great seats and the braves were winning, then it all went terribly wrong, and Bonds went yard in the bottom of the 10th to win. I was crushed. I didnt go the next night, but my colleagues ‘made’ me go the next night. So I spent another 100 bucks on even better tickets and the braves were behind all night, but tied it off of Worrell, but in the 10th Bonds went deep again for the win. I was crushed and I had to ride the Giants ferry back to my car on the other side of the island. Tonight reminds me of that experience. At least I am in L.A. tonight, so the extra innings dont bother me as much.

By Bubbaallred

July 25, 2007 1:28 AM | Link to this

I think the trade we need to make is for Leo Mazzone. We need a pitching coach.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 1:29 AM | Link to this

I SOOOOO hate Andruw batting Cleanup!!! What sensible Manager would keep batting Andruw Cleanup? WOW ANDRUW just got a base hit!!! Wow!!!

By Superman

July 25, 2007 1:30 AM | Link to this

Wayne

I think that Hudson has earned the right over his career and this game to try to close it out. Especially the way the bullpen has screwed him this year

By BossLady

July 25, 2007 1:30 AM | Link to this

DOB, I know you are steaming, I feel your pain. Will the guys give you heck?

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 1:32 AM | Link to this

One positive…at least the Braves bullpen can’t give up 5 runs in one inning in extra innings tonight like they did Sunday night against the Cards. Unless the Braves score 5 in the top…not likely.

By Todd A

July 25, 2007 1:33 AM | Link to this

“Oscar offered two fat pitches that Bonds took, he got away with that move.”

Yep.The Braves are very lucky Bonds didn’t offer on that changeup on the inner half.

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 1:33 AM | Link to this

hey superman that 7 scorless innings from the braves offense. they just keep swinging at balls out of the strike zone. ala francouer an mccann the catcher we shoild actually trade.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 1:36 AM | Link to this

heath the west coast games aren’t so bad from Utah. Sorry about that…

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this

Wanyne,

I think I choose A, because Tim was at 92 pitches and for some reason that is unknown to us, a threshold number for him.

Savannah Guy, Everything is good in my neck of the woods, especially if the braves pull this out. I got no beef with you and I will try to not be a know it all. We all are braves fans and want this team to win. I think the braves have lots of tools and can be good for a long time if they arent afraid to think outside the box.

By Chop Chop

July 25, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this

Hard not to be negative about this game, Wayne. Even if the Braves find a way to win, it feels like a loss. Of course, I’d rather have a win that feels like a loss than a loss that feels like a boot to the crotch.

By Milledgeville Matt

July 25, 2007 1:38 AM | Link to this

Is Wickman serious…or is he just as bad as Chip in making a joke?

By Ron

July 25, 2007 1:39 AM | Link to this

Wayne I would never let Huddy pitch the 9th again, because more than likely he will struggle!!! OR if the BRILLIANT COX does bring him back for the 9th then leave his a$$ in for the rest of the inning whether he wins or losses, the 9th would be his ALL by himself!!!

By HP

July 25, 2007 1:40 AM | Link to this

Lets put some runs on the board. I need to go sleep.

By pfunkatl2

July 25, 2007 1:40 AM | Link to this

MOYLAN for CLOSER!!! Andru for…well…

By heath

July 25, 2007 1:41 AM | Link to this

again i say, peter is the best guy in the bullpen. has really only had a couple of nights that weren’t adequate or better. let’s get some runs boys!!!

oh, finally a good point by the broadcast team. braves are in far better shape if the game continues much longer…more pitchers and the giants are out of position players.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 1:41 AM | Link to this

Another good inning by Moylan, too bad he won’t be able to pitch tomorrow & maybe Thursday afternoon.

By parks

July 25, 2007 1:42 AM | Link to this

LMAO. We even have the trade Mccann talk back. Could this night get any worse

By Superman

July 25, 2007 1:43 AM | Link to this

uga dawg You talk about accountability. How the f******* is it Francouer and McCanns fault and not Wickman and Cox? And now you want to trade a 2 time allstar in 2 years so an unproven talent can take over at one of the most important positions? Geez man get a clue

By bravesfan

July 25, 2007 1:44 AM | Link to this

O great Ledezma is fixen to pitch

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 1:44 AM | Link to this

Oh great…the lefty that can’t get out lefties is warming up to face two lefties in the bottom of the 13th. More textbook Bobby Cox.

By Bubbaallred

July 25, 2007 1:45 AM | Link to this

We need Tex to help Hoss score some runs. It’s either gotta be less runs allowed by the Bullpen or more runs scored by our new cleanup batter … TEX!!!

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 1:45 AM | Link to this

Ron I think I would agree. In for a penny, in for a pound. Agreed too that Wickman, while considering his limitations, is still much better when he comes into the inning at the start of the frame.

Escobar and Woodward. Let’s get ‘er done guys!

By Ron

July 25, 2007 1:46 AM | Link to this

Did I just hear Ledezma is warming up!!! Lord!!! We better at least get three runs in this inning!!!

By pfunkatl2

July 25, 2007 1:47 AM | Link to this

LOVE my grandpa Julio…but WHY is he STILL i n…GO YUNELL!

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 25, 2007 1:49 AM | Link to this

My main concern here is the possibility that Julio Franco may expire from old age, or succumb to natural causes before this damn game is over…

By Todd A

July 25, 2007 1:50 AM | Link to this

“Oh great…the lefty that can’t get out lefties is warming up to face two lefties in the bottom of the 13th. More textbook Bobby Cox.”

“O great Ledezma is fixen to pitch”

C’mon guys.Schuerholz assured us he was an upgrade over McBride.No worries.

By Superman

July 25, 2007 1:50 AM | Link to this

with ledezma warming up we need atleast 4 runs this inning to keep the game going

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

Man, this damn team just cannot hit a fly ball when one is necessary.

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

Atta boy Edgar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hell ya!!!!!!!!!!!

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

thats seven scoreless innings from the braves offense. is #7 ever going to hit a home run again. once again these close games are not just on the bullpen the braves just dont put teams away unless they score ten plus runs.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 1:54 AM | Link to this

EDGAR IS THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By bravesfan

July 25, 2007 1:54 AM | Link to this

Thats my boy Edgar and yall want to trade him yall stuped

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 1:54 AM | Link to this

Southern Gentleman! Whaddya mean? Methuselah is gonna live forever!!!

:-)

By Chop Chop

July 25, 2007 1:54 AM | Link to this

We need to trade McCann, but not until Thorman is sent down to Richmond. He still has options left. We can start Chipper at first because we’re getting no production there. Escobar can start at third.

Also, we need Carl Crawford.

In addition, we need to get Dontrelle Willis.

Furthermore, let’s trade for…

HOLY S*! RENTERIA JUST HIT A TWO-RUN DOUBLE!

(Forget I said any of that other stuff…)

By HP

July 25, 2007 1:54 AM | Link to this

Thank You Edagr!!!!!

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 1:55 AM | Link to this

EDGAR!!!!!!!!!!

By Ron

July 25, 2007 1:55 AM | Link to this

EDGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You the man!!! Now watch us give the Giants the win, even after we scored twice in the 13th!!! Maybe we can get more runs!!! Anybody but Ledezma for the Bottom of the 13th!!!

By pfunkatl2

July 25, 2007 1:55 AM | Link to this

NEVER quite understood the reasoning of trading Edgar…he’s our STUD… I KNOW we got Yunell and Elvis…but DAMN…GO EDGAR!!!!

By MurphyRules

July 25, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this

I swear, if we trade Renteria, I’m giving up baseball FOREVER!!!

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 25, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this

Looks like all you doomsayers gave the game to the G-Man just a tad bit early.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 1:59 AM | Link to this

For those listening to the broadcast, the reason the seagulls come in at 10pm is to pickup the leftover food items in the stadium. They know when most games are over…….

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 1:59 AM | Link to this

Nice piece of hitting by Chipper. Good to see hoss being hoss. I am begining to think that Renteria is a supreme being from outer space walking around in an Edgar suit. (MIB joke).

All hands on deck for the bully tonight, you cant let this one get away fellas.

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 2:00 AM | Link to this

Let’s see…can the Braves bullpenn blow a 4-run lead and a 3-run lead in the same game?

By the way, if those Renteria trade rumors are true, Liberty should fire Schuerholz.

By Superman

July 25, 2007 2:00 AM | Link to this

Rotflmao chop chop

lets not forget Baldelli. IF we had Baldelli we would be like 20 games ahead of everyone

By MurphyRules

July 25, 2007 2:00 AM | Link to this

If we trade Edgar, I’m giving up baseball FOREVER!!!!

By heath

July 25, 2007 2:02 AM | Link to this

anyone else think that this forces the giants to give barroid the day off tomorrow?

….oh, yeah, big surprise that andruw hit it to the third baseman. what is that 4 times tonight…. right field does exist andruw!!!

i say get tex, let andruw walk and then give tex the money he wants. andruw has been so frustrating for his whole career offensively

1-2-3 boys!!!

By Ron

July 25, 2007 2:02 AM | Link to this

And JS wanted to Trade an Everyday SS that is Absolutely Awesome for Garland who pitches every 5th day and that he is an all right pitcher!!! KW you are a dumb sack of SH!T IF you turned down that deal!!!

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 2:03 AM | Link to this

I’ve already warned the cats to run & hide. They got a free pass in the 9th, but if the Braves give up this three run lead…….

Anyone else’s wife wondering why they are screaming at the TV at 2 AM? Mine thought I was fighting with the drunk neighbor again, but as soon as she saw the game was on, she just shook her head & went back to bed.

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 2:08 AM | Link to this

how about some props to the old man for drawing a walk to get the rally started. SUPERMAN i like mcann as a catcher, but he made the all star team by default. who do you actualy think will be the better player in two years?

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:08 AM | Link to this

Efrim. Where are you dude? You were calling this a loss in the 10th.

It is easy to get frustrated with our team, but I choose to try to keep it as positive as possible. Maybe I don’t like some of what Bobby does, but dang it, I can’t do anything about it. And John Schuerholz doesn’t think the manager is the problem, so I just gotta go with the flow, and keep being a fan.

So, Efrim, it’s ok if you gave up too early. (who knows, maybe we still lose this one!)

A side note, wouldn’t it have been amusing if Barroid had hit #754 after all the fans cleared out a few innings ago. I can hear it now, “Yes, I have the stub for #754!” (and they didn’t even see it!!!)

By Chris Berman

July 25, 2007 2:09 AM | Link to this

Glad to see most of you are now open to the Tex for Salty trade. I knew you’d come around.

By Fred Secunda

July 25, 2007 2:11 AM | Link to this

My God we got fleeced in the McBride deal. Ledezma is God awful.

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 25, 2007 2:11 AM | Link to this

Way to go, Woodward.

By heath

July 25, 2007 2:11 AM | Link to this

ok, that does it….woodward HAS to go…julio would have made that play

By Ron

July 25, 2007 2:11 AM | Link to this

I knew this sh!t would happen!!! Woodcrap hit Bonds in the back!!! Now Yates is coming in!!! Lord!!! I dont know which is worst Ledezma or Yates!!!

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 2:12 AM | Link to this

NICE JOB WOODCOCK JUST STEP ON FIRST BASE.

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 2:12 AM | Link to this

Really all you can do is laugh at this team. You have to laugh. Chris Woodward has been useless all season, and he proves useless once again.

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this

WTF……Can we finish a game?

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 25, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this

Now the Braves are going to have to figure out a way to lose this game…for the second time tonight…

…and Woodward just drilled Bonds…

Unbelievable!…

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this

Dang Julio! That was a DP ball with Klesko running.

By Bubbaallred

July 25, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this

If I cussed, which I don’t, woodward would be receiving some words at this point. Along with his daddy bobby.

By Chris Berman

July 25, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this

Fire the equipment manager. He forgets to equip our BP with testicles. Bring back Hrabosky!!!

By HP

July 25, 2007 2:14 AM | Link to this

This is ridiculous and funny. How did Woodward hit Barry Bonds on that throw. Man Julio is even much better than him. Now I understand why Bobby had Julio playing most of the game. Woodward has lost his skills because he not getting to play much. Please Tyler get 3 outs for us.

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:15 AM | Link to this

OK Tyler, Mickey is dead, and Willie and Hank have been retired a long time. Throw it over the plate dude!

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 2:15 AM | Link to this

Did Woodward really just hit Bonds in the back with the ball? Did I really see that or are my eyes playing tricks on me at this late hour?

Dumb question, but why isn’t Thorman out there to play defense? 3 run lead in the 13th, is Cox planning on giving up the lead so he’s saving Thorman to pinch hit?

By Ron

July 25, 2007 2:17 AM | Link to this

This sh!t is not F*** funny!!! Only the Braves do this sh!t!!!

By Stuart

July 25, 2007 2:19 AM | Link to this

Where is Chad Paronto? He hasnt pitched in a week. Why does Bobby continue to run Yates out there?

By Superman

July 25, 2007 2:20 AM | Link to this

sorry uga dawg I just dont see it. Where was I when Salty showed MORE promise than McCann?

I mean sure Salty looks like a cant miss prospect but how many cant miss prospects MISSED?

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 2:21 AM | Link to this

walks an errors bad combination. yates is pitching on fumes. lets four outs of a game are always the hardest.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 2:21 AM | Link to this

Is this really happening?

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 25, 2007 2:23 AM | Link to this

The ‘TBS Funnies’ are certainly living up to their billing tonight…and would someone please stuff Mr. Socko into Chip Carey’s big mouth?…

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 2:23 AM | Link to this

Holy S**!!!

Are we gonna lose this game? These guys love to push a 3-2 count. No balls!!

By Fred Secunda

July 25, 2007 2:23 AM | Link to this

If we trade for Teixeira, Pena will be called up to backup McCann and I bet you Woodward is released.

By GermanBravesFan

July 25, 2007 2:23 AM | Link to this

This is UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:23 AM | Link to this

The sign that the Braves would be going for Tex is that B Pena would be flying to the west coast.

By Ky in Idaho

July 25, 2007 2:24 AM | Link to this

Bring in Kolb!

By Billy, The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 25, 2007 2:26 AM | Link to this

Ron you just made if funny with your last post…..YES! A win.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 2:27 AM | Link to this

We freaking won this game!!! YESSSSSS!!! Damn I was getting real worried in that inning!!! This team has got some real problems!!!!

By Chop Chop

July 25, 2007 2:27 AM | Link to this

We had ‘em the whole way, denizens!

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:28 AM | Link to this

I missed that Woodward/Methuselah switch. OOPS.

Good night all!

(see Ephrim, can’t give up to early!)

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 2:29 AM | Link to this

Tyler’s testicle emerged just in time.

I’d hate to be the laundry guy because BC must be s** his pants lately.

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 2:33 AM | Link to this

I know we ‘won’ this game, but jeez, we are all witnessing a complete and total bullpen meltdown. I would be willing to bet that there is not a bullpen in baseball pitching worse than the Braves bullpen right now. This is a disgrace.

There have been so many meltdowns this season…the season-long Andruw Jones meltdown, the Craig Wilson meltdown, the Mark Redman meltdown, the Lance Cormier meltdown, the Pete Orr meltdown, the continuing Chris Woodward meltdown, the Scott Thorman meltdown, the Bobby Cox moving Kelly Johnson out of the leadoff spot meltdown, the Mike Gonzalez-Adam LaRoche trade meltdown.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 2:34 AM | Link to this

SUPERMAN

Here are a few:

Brad Komminsk Tyler Houston Mike Kelly Tony Tarasco Nick Green Brian Asselstine Ryan Klesko

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:35 AM | Link to this

So, if we get the Rangers to bite on Elvis, JoJo and another prospect for Tex, then can we try to get Baltimore interested enough in NaCl to give up Bedard?

Then, we have to figure out how to give the bullpen a break. Maybe Boyer, Devine, Startup, Cormier???

It’s late folks, so if my ramblings don’t make sense, I have an excuse.

DOB Did you sneak out to see the show tonight??? Haven’t seen you chime in for a LONG time.

BTW, I learned to play guitar on Hank Sr’s stuff.

By uga-dawg

July 25, 2007 2:35 AM | Link to this

hey SUPERMAN i agree proven performance VS. potential is a tough one. but the last braves prospect with with saltys plate presence was chipper. just too bad they play the same positions. I would not object if they traded salty for tex, just as long as they did not rent him for a year and a half.

By Superman

July 25, 2007 2:38 AM | Link to this

good grief thank goodness we won I am going to bed gotta be up in less than 4 hours

peace

By Superman

July 25, 2007 2:38 AM | Link to this

good grief thank goodness we won I am going to bed gotta be up in less than 4 hours

peace

By gant #5

July 25, 2007 2:38 AM | Link to this

fastasballs… Very funny comment regarding waking up your wife, but the comment about telling your cats to run and hide is sickening. Why don’t you go to Vick’s house in VA and watch dogs kill each other too you sick FU#@. Loser.

By Mr. Socko

July 25, 2007 2:40 AM | Link to this

What the hell I ever do to you SJA?

By A-ville Ranger

July 25, 2007 2:41 AM | Link to this

Can any of you recall a team that seemingly overnight went from five guys you could rely on in the pen to one (Moylan)? Just when the rotation jells the pen implodes.This is starting to look too much like last year’s team for comfort.It seems to me that Teixeira is a luxury this team can’t afford till the pitching situation is addressed.

By Baron

July 25, 2007 2:42 AM | Link to this

I just listened to the a* end of that game on mlb.audio, they set me up with the SF broadcast…. those guys were awesome!!!~!They knew more about the braves than chip, skip, don, ken and your uncle did!!!!

By Superman

July 25, 2007 2:42 AM | Link to this

THank you Tampa brave Top prospects dont go straight to cooperstown but we know Bmac is one helluva player

By Chris Berman

July 25, 2007 2:42 AM | Link to this

Time for a midnight snack.

Back, back, back, back, to Taco Bell

faaarrrrttt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:43 AM | Link to this

BravesDave Are you kidding me?? Yes, we are going through a rough stretch with our bullpen, but there aren’t too many teams that I would trade total bullpens with right now.

Try being a KC, Pittsburgh, SF, or Cincy fan, just to mention a few who are definitely worse than us.

Yes, we are having problems, but the frickin ski is NOT falling, I promise!

By Ron

July 25, 2007 2:43 AM | Link to this

And we wonder why this bullpen gets over worked? Because of crap like that!!! We were lucky as hell to win this game!!! Going to bed!!! We gotta add more than just 1 player at the deadline IF we expect to even dream about the playoffs!!!

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:46 AM | Link to this

Any win is a good win!

Nite all.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 2:48 AM | Link to this

Salty did not play because damaged goods don’t make for good trade bait.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 2:48 AM | Link to this

Gant, I know it’s late, but if you’re too f*** stupid to recognize humor there is not much help for you. Someone on this blog is always joking about teeing up the cat, kicking the cat, etc. It’s a joke, chill out a bit….

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:51 AM | Link to this

sky…..not ski

By Wayne in Utah

July 25, 2007 2:55 AM | Link to this

fastasballs some people just don’t get it do they! I tee up my dog and/or cat on a regular basis.

:-)

I thought it was danged funny.

Big difference between a joke on a blog, and a joke who calls himself a professional, huh.

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 25, 2007 3:01 AM | Link to this

After such a long, hard game…I bet ol’ Julio is pretty damned tired about now, and will sleep really well tonight…maybe even have dreams about when he was just a child…dreams of dinosaurs..the invention of the wheel..the discovery of fire..walking upright…etc…

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 3:02 AM | Link to this

If JS is planning on trading Salty, why hasn’t Pena been called up? Say Salty is traded tomorrow, that leaves McCann as the only catcher on the roster. I know Pena could be there the following day, but they may have to fly with one catcher for a game. I can’t see McCann catching tomorrow after 13 innings tonight & a day game on Thursday.

By jed

July 25, 2007 3:05 AM | Link to this

i’m not sure any win is a good win, wayne. what i just watched was pathetic. not terribly confidence-inspiring. wickman and woodward are killing me!

By Mike

July 25, 2007 3:10 AM | Link to this

hey guys, im in la, im really impressed with you guys in georgia staying up this late, watching the game and blogging afterwards. im was getting tired myself, i cant imagine how tired u guys r. anyway i know i may get attacked here but i still like wickman. i agree with the guys that said its not a good move to bring him in with runners on like that. plus there was some horrible baseball luck in that inning. first off the little looper that was like six inches from renteria’s glove. then the fly ball that willy really should have caught(I know I must not have been the only one thinking of Langerhans on that play, the one time we missed him this year) which was really a good pitch by wickman, and then the basehit that tied the game wasn’t even a strike. how can wickman get blamed for this? Hudson pitched outstanding but he walked the first two guys in the ninth. But this game may be a blessing in disguise. JS must see that the bullpen is tired and since they almost gave away a game tonight he might be shopping for a power arm tomorrow. Maybe Dotel. Im all for getting Texiera but lets get a bullpen arm first. If I was GM I would try the following this week. Prado and Davies for Dotel, Salty for Texiera with Texas paying some of his salary for the year, Thorman and an outfield prospect (Not Brandon Jones for Livan Hernandez.

this would be the lineup Harris, Renteria, Chipper, Texiera, Mccann, Francouer, KJ, AJ

Smoltz Hudson CJames LHernandez BCarlyle

Dotel, Wickman, Soriano, Moylan, Yates, Villareal, and Reyes. I would send JoJo Reyes to the bullpen only because the braves need a solid lefty there and hes looked very good in his last two starts. I do think hes going to be a fixture in the rotation in the next few years. Send Ledezema or whatever his name is down cause he kinda sucks. Lets see if anyone can top my imaginary roster moves

By BravesDave

July 25, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this

Hey, Wayne, how can you be so sure that the sky (or ski) is not falling? Have you looked outside lately? This bullpen is falling apart. Check out the Royals bullpen…not too bad lately since Dotel is back from the DL. The Giants have 5 pitchers in their bullpen with ERAs at 3.50 or better. There is no Braves reliever outside of Moylan that is pitching even remotely well.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this

Wayne That’s the truth. I’m amazed at people who literally believe everything you type on a blog. Usually the political ones I frequent are the worst, but it happens on here occasionally.

I think my biggest Braves meltdown occured during that 18 inning marathon against the Astros in the 2005 Divisional series. The 1996 World Series against the Yankees is a close second. Note to lurkers, only fictional animals were harmed during the makings of my meltdowns

By gotigers72

July 25, 2007 3:13 AM | Link to this

First, it was the starters killing the bullpen, now it’s the bullpen killing the bullpen. Both the 15 inning game and the 13 inning game [tonight] were because the bullpen blew saves.

Don’t trade for Teixeira. Trade for a bullpen pitcher. Cut Julio, bring up Brayan Pena [he has been playing a lot of first as well as catching and hitting above .320]. Send Salty to Richmond, but do not trade Salty, Reyes AND Elvis for anybody! Talk about being taken in a trade. Sounds like the trade for Drew because Teixeira has one more year on his contract and Borass for an agent. The Braves have plenty of offense and Pena would be adequate. If they are going to do anything, get some more pitching, especially for the bullpen [preferably a lefty], and send Ledezma to Richmond or Mississippi. He has been pitiful!

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 3:25 AM | Link to this

I’d be glad to have the other two horrible losses of the past week to be ugly wins like tonight’s was. The team has played good enough ball to be at the minimum 9-3 since the break.

The pen is worn out & has been for sometime. Just when you think they are getting a rest tonight happens.

Personally I think Hudson had plenty left in the tank & deserved the chance to finish the game. We all know Wickman is horrible on the road & in addition to that he’s not a middle of the inning reliever, unless the bases are empty. He’s a contact pitcher & that’s not what you need with runners on. I feel if the entire blog knows this & seemingly everyone that covers the Braves, then why doesn’t Cox? I wouldn’t gripe if he used players according to their strengths. Let the guys do what they do best & not try to make them into something they are not.

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 3:32 AM | Link to this

Well, Hank III’s rockin’ about now, while I just finished filing my write-through for internet only.

Damn, that’s what we get for talking about going, though I think the other dudes went, because they were here only covering Bonds and didn’t even have to go downstairs afterward, since it was so late and he wasn’t talking anyway.

How ‘bout Wickman getting three of his blown saves in Hudson games? But the play of the game was when Willie backed off that ball before he dove. He thought Andruw was going to run into him, just one of those avoid-collision plays.

Thankfully, it only contributed or cost them a Hudson win, not a team win.

Check out Wickman’s home/road splits from my game story:

Wickman’s astounding home-road dichotomy reared its head. He has an 8.20 ERA in 22 road appearances with five blown saves in 14 opportunities, but hasn’t allowed an earned run or blown a save all season at Turner Field.

He’s allowed 30 hits and 17 earned runs in 18-2/3 innings on the road, and nine hits and no earned runs in 16-2/3 innings at Turner Field.

That’s just crazy.

By bocabrave

July 25, 2007 4:17 AM | Link to this

went to the game tonight-a friend has one of the luxury boxes-not a bad place to see a game. observations: the braves have some good, mostly young talent while the giants look old and slow-that will be a tough rebuild; this park is the best modern one in baseball; the sea gulls get seriously hungry after the ninth inning; they played jim morrison and otis redding back to back in the fifth inning break; andruw jones is terrible; chipper,edgar,jf,kelly were clutch; woodward couldn’t make a decent t-ball squad; and hudson would be within his rights to stuff wickman in a sausage casing and dump him in the bay. got to tell you guys, hudson pitched some amazing ball. good win-made it harder than necessary; and this team has some talent-we may have too many holes to win it this year, but the nucleus is there…

By Serbok

July 25, 2007 5:24 AM | Link to this

DOB Nice job on the blog! Best one I’ve seen you write yet~ Enjoyed the honesty and insight. Keep takin us higher What a thriller of a game? Chip Carey needs to go! The way he said Feliz Navidad? The boy doesnt deserve the job he received thru nepotism! I’m from the days of Milo and Ernie! I like Skip, as he is not jaded the way this young punk seems to be. Which will only hurt him in future endeavors. Of course he’s financially set, just like all you media guys? If I were he, I might wanna just be the A$$ that he comes off as to just pi$$ people off also! LOL

Starting pitching is Rockin? I feel they are gettin their groove on~ could be wrong of course! Sure looks good tho!

By Serbok

July 25, 2007 5:58 AM | Link to this

I have to chime in on~ *By gant #5

July 25, 2007 2:38 AM* Post~

Just another idiot~ who, probably posts under a different name:o( fastasballs, I appreciated the post and made me smile. Keep postin dude:o)

By Braveheart

July 25, 2007 7:05 AM | Link to this

BRAVES WIN! MAGIC NUMBER IS 66!

By Soul Man

July 25, 2007 7:12 AM | Link to this

I went to sleep around 11:00 p.m. last night when the Braves had a seemingly-safe three-run lead. I had a sneaking suspicion the Giants would not go softly into that good night, though. Unfortunately, I was right. I got up this morning at 5 to be at work by 6 and with heavy eyes, read DOB’s story. With all due respect for DOB’s excellent work, the place to get the game story was on this blog where you guy had me laughing out loud more than once. Beginning with Wickman’s 9th-inning implosion, you Braves/MIB denizens told a fantastic sotry without even meaning to. I was on a roller-coaster ride as you advocated trading McCann, firing Bobby Cox, putting Moylan in the closer’s role, hoisted Edgar on your cyber-shoulders, pooh-poohed Tyler Yates and breathed a collective sigh of relief when this whole ugly affair was over. Ah, the Braves/MIB blog. It’s where I want to be every day.

By jon

July 25, 2007 7:29 AM | Link to this

I started reading these post about 12:00 last night and THEY ARE CLASSIC! From the excitement of Hudsons gem, to Wickman blowing it, to bashing Bobby for pulling Hudson, to Oscar barely escaping Bonds with his changeup over the plate, to Ledezma warming up, to the excitement of Rents double down the line, did I say Ledezma warming up, Chris Woodward hitting Barry Bonds with a ball when ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS TOUCH FIRST BASE, to the Braves bringing in Yates, to the disgust of Yates inability to throw a strike, to the Braves win! Wow that was fun! I’m not gonna lie, I fell asleep at 12 happy as I could be going into the 8th with a 4-0 lead. Woke up in the 10th sick to my stomach! Unreal! I’m pro Bobby Cox and always will be, but ITS TIME! ITS TIME TO GET RID OF WOODWARD. Everyone bashes Julio, but honestly can anyone and I mean anyone make a case to keep Woodward over Julio????? Didn’t think so! Impossible! We’ve gotta call Startup to the bigs, and trade for another reliever! Dotel, Gagne, or Lidge! Although Lidge is said to not be available. Wow what a crazy game! A WINS A WIN!

By ssiscribe

July 25, 2007 7:38 AM | Link to this

Ah hell, it’s my fault.

One thing I remember from covering baseball at a variety of levels is never, ever assume just because the game is rolling along at a quick pace that it will finish nice and tidy.

So DOB, my apologizes for jinxing the Braves, Huddy and your concert plans with my 11:37. Been there, done that, should’ve known better.

Now, blog emotions (noted transition from the Scribe): Glad I went to bed at midnight. I, too, love the emotion shown on here during the late innings, raw emotion that may not have been steered by rational thinking, but were pure glimpses into the ups and downs this ballclub puts us through. Great stuff, denizens.

Now, bullpen (more transition): I agree with the folks who said Wickman shouldn’t come into the game in the middle of an inning. Seems to be a recipe for disaster. Almost wish in hindsight Huddy had been pulled after eight, but then we all would’ve jumped on Cox for using the bullpen and not sending Huddy out for the ninth.

Now, trade talk (still more transition): I spelled out my case for Tex last night, but remember a lot of the rumors floating around out there include bullpen help in a deal for Tex. If no bullpen help were to come in a deal with Tex, I think the Braves have to get at least one arm, preferably a lefty, to put down there. And maybe it’s my South Georgia bias coming into play here, but I wonder if we gave up on McBride too soon.

Now, bottom line (more transition): The Braves won the game. The Braves remain three games out of first place in the NL East. The Braves remain one game out in the wild-card race. Even though last night took a more winding path than we thought it should, bottom line is the Braves won.

On to today. The Scribe abides.

—30—

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

I am soo tired. I gave up on the team last night and went to bed after the Top of the 10th inning. I did that after the Dodger game when Tim Hudson gave up the two -run single to Brad Penny. It seems to work.

Wickman should not of been brought in. He can’t strike anyone out in those situations. Again, I have said it before to people who say Billy Wagner blows it in big games, at least the guy misses bats. That is really important to have a closer or late inning reliever who has a 1 K per inning average. Those are the guys I want brought in, in those situations. Not even a guy like Peter Moylan, unless you need a double play.

Whatever, we won the game. I feel terrible for Tim Hudson though. Bobby should of let him finish it. It was 4-1, but let him finish it. He would of gotten the job done. If this team does make the postseason, I think I will have a heart attack watching Wickman perform on the mound in the ninth.

By Lee

July 25, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

These west coast games are just too late for me to watch and go to work the next day. Last night really sounded an adventurous games to say the least. It is a delight to read these posts the next morning, especially with a wild game like last night. This bullpen for whatever reasons ..tired, losing it, emotional stress getting the better of them, or simply going through a bad time, is the main problem with this team at present time. J.S. no doubt realizes the closer the trade deadline approaches he has got to get another reliever over anything else. If this bullpen cannot hold leads another starter or bat is going to make very little difference. The Braves will be back in the same situation as last years team without reliable relief pitchers. The Mets look like they have hit their stride so there is very little room for error from here on out.

By Will

July 25, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Wow! Thank god i went to bed last night when the Braves were up 4-0. I dont even know what to say about Wickman cause i dont know what the solution would be instead of him. All i do know is the Braves have no chance of winning playoff games with that guy on the mound in a 1 run game. What gets me with him is its always several hits strung together. Single single single double, etc… I think that is actually worse and alot more troublesome then a relieve who throws one random hanger for a 3 run homer. I said 3 weeks ago that I dont think Wickman has it anymore and i stand by that statement. I am afraid that the Braves are now playing TWO forty plus veterans who are pretty much finished. I guess a win is a win, but this BS is gonna continue to happen and the Braves will not always come out on top.

By Paladin

July 25, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

Well, I see there were no “phantom” posts in moi’s name, or even swipes taken at, during last night’s melee. Could be that some of our noted sharp-shooters(Grinch and SG to name a couple)kept them too busy.

Speaking of Grinch(a transition that I learned from SS :-)), he has the “words” and, IMO, the “right stuff” to back ‘em up. I wouldn’t want to mess with him.

So(sez he wipin’ his lips from arse-kissin’ El Grincho), shall we move on?

By chipdip

July 25, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Wickman is a fat,bloated, poor escuse, washed up,donut tossing of a closer.He absoul tely strikes no fear in appos ing hitters when he rolls out of the bullpen on any given night!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Shaun… “The Braves obviously wouldn’t be giving up the better player but they would be giving up the better situation.” That’s your take. Not a fact; your take.

Ron Roberts,

Who said it wasn’t my take? Maybe it’s fact, maybe it’s not. It’s obviously my take, no need to say it is.

That’s why we have discussion. Things I say could be fact or not. Things you say could be fact or not. Or the truth could be somewhere in the middle or we could both be way off. As long as you have we have valid reasons for our takes, that’s what makes discussion fun and makes everyone a little smarter or at least a little more inquisitive and curious.

By JasonInMaine

July 25, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

From the Dallas Morning News:

“Mark Teixeira (Going): It’s pretty clear the Rangers would like to trade Teixeira to the Los Angeles Dodgers because the NL club is loaded with young talent. But James Loney’s excellent play at first has given the Dodgers no real motivation to make such a deal. Atlanta, on the other hand, started Julio Franco at first recently. Teixeira would be a huge acquisition for the Braves, very much in the hunt for both the NL East and wild card. Get used to pronouncing the last name of Jarrod Saltalamacchia (pronounced just like it looks), or you can just call him Salty. The Rangers should get a minor league pitcher in the deal, too.”

There’s another person who thinks the Braves will land Tex.

Regards,

Jason

By Scoff

July 25, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Like I have said before… if you want to platoon anyone, have Wickman for home games and Soriano for away games. I know Soriano has not been up to par lately, but I have more faith in him in away games to close the game out.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

DOB

One Major League scout confirmed the Braves and Rangers are still discussing a trade that would be headlined with Teixeira and almost definitely include Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Atlanta’s 22-year-old switch-hitting catcher who stands as one of the most attractive prospects on the trade market.

Another National League scout said the Braves might be discussing also including a young pitching prospect (possibly Jo-Jo Reyes) and Elvis Andrus, the 18-year-old phenom shortstop who is currently experiencing the struggles of the maturation process with Class A Myrtle Beach.

You’re kidding me right? Salty, Jo-Jo Reyes and Elvis Andrus????

That can’t be true. They would have to pay some of the contract. Even so I wouldn’t do it.

By Will

July 25, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Scoff, I like the thought process on the closer platoon. Cause Wickman cant save a game to save his a* on the road and same for Soriano at home. Texiera is not going to the Braves, they need starting/relief pitching. If Tex comes over with no pitching help the Braves dont make the playoffs anyways.

By Coach (Relief Pitching Or Bust)

July 25, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Wickman throws strikes and he gets them to hit it on the ground. The problem is , he is pretty much hittable all the time and when they don’t hit it on the ground at somebody , he is meat. Putting him on the mound needing one out with two runners on base was a mistake. The Braves needed a strike out in that situation. If nobody had been on base , Wickman would have been fine. However , he depends on the batter to put the ball in play to get an out. Soriano should have got the call. But , he had pitched three of the previous four days which again , exposes the Braves need for another arm or two in the bullpen. Chipper said the Braves need a lefty and I am in total agreement.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Andruw Jones is 2 for his last 19. How is this guy going to get a 5 years 75 million dollar contract? Probably more.

By Lee

July 25, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

The Braves really miss Gonzo now. If and I know IF is a big word, we had him in the bullpen right now he would probably be the actual closer. Wickman is old and out of shape. He may have lost all of his steam down the stretch. The Braves won the game and that is the most important thing though. Look a for a reliever included in whatever deal the Braves make in the next few days.

By Paladin

July 25, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

I won’t say anything about Wickman’s latest “melt-down” since I am sworn to the use of no profanity. I’ll just let others—many others—say it for me.

And I want Tex. He may not be the “answer” but the “question” is baffling, to say the least.

By Alex

July 25, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

I’m convinced that WOODUSELESS, CHRIS is a plant by the MUTS, to cost the Braves some games throughout the year by boneheaded plays, or his lack of ability at the plate! The only thing we can enjoy, was the fact that he nailed Barroid right between the numbers, should have thrown it harder and aimed higher!

Bobby Cox has lost his mind! Where was Salty, pinch hitting for JULIO’s slow a** bat in the extra inning, we know that he can’t catch up to a 90MPH fastball, so why leave him in to face a dude throwing 95MPH! Welcome to the management style of Bobby Cox…loyal to death, which in this case makes no sense!

Why isn’t Bryan Pena on this roster! Send the useless WOODCOCK down to the minors, and it frees you up to use Salty in pinch hitting situations or at 1B more. Yes, I know why, it makes too much fraking sense!

Last but not least…JULIO…we like you man, you are a good guy and all of that, but if even the cubs lover, Chip in the booth notices that you need to be swinging a lighter 32oz bat, you NEED to be swinging a lighter bat! One fraking way to improve bat speed you genious, since you won’t change that ridiculous stands of yours. Someone needs to hide all of his 40oz bats, or whatever that tree stubs are that he uses, and make him, force him to use a lighter bat!!!

Make that fat b******* Wickman miss a meal, every time he blows a save…that should improve the Braves bullpen without making any trades.

By Big Easy

July 25, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

DOB So, what is wrong with Wickman? You hearing anything on that? He doesn’t look like the same guy that was, shutting down teams in the 9th earlier this year (and late last year). He almost looks like he’s pitching hurt again. Doesn’t have that same grit to him that he was pitching with earlier; seems like everything is a struggle right now.

By Ron Roberts

July 25, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

I’m all for us getting Mark Teixeira, but the one young pitcher I don’t want the Braves to send Texas is Jo Jo Reyes. His last two starts were pretty darn good, and if ya look back through the season, that’s the first time our #5 pitcher’s had back-to-back good outings.

I think Jo Jo’s the answer for what ails the rotation, so if we can get the Teixeira deal done without him being involved, then we’ve only got some tinkering to do in the bullpen to make this team whole.

By Paladin

July 25, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Andruw Jones is 2 for his last 19. How is this guy going to get a 5 years 75 million dollar contract? Probably more.

The “Boss” will give him that out of pocket change.

By Yars

July 25, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

I still can’t believe some of you that have already called it a season. We are only 3 games behind the Mets, & only 1 game behind the Padres for the NL Wildcard. We are right in the thick of this thing. I’m all for Schuerholz trading Salty for Tex. Then, add a solid lefty in the bullpen, & pray that Soriano comes out of the funk he’s in, & it is going to be an exciting next 3 months. I do feel sorry for Chipper. If he hadn’t missed 20+ games, we would be talking NL MVP. However, if he keeps hitting the ball like he has, he could wind up with the NL MVP award, or even the NL batting title. The only other players I see that have a realistic chance at winnng it are Chase Utley & Prince Fielder. If the Brewers make the playoffs, Prince has even a better chance.

By Salty

July 25, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Only one post, Mike at 3:10 called Wickman’s performance as it was. Yes, he’s had issues (understatement) this year. But if it weren’t for bad luck…you know the drill, he had zero in the 9th. How Feliz and Molina (especially) hit those pitches is beyond me…still, Harris really needed to make that catch. Sometimes hitters do good thing with bad pitches…unfortunate for Wicky…and Huddy.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Will,

If Tex comes over he could push the Braves into the top two or three in scoring. If the pitching/defense remains around average Tex could push them into the playoffs. There have been teams to make the playoffs with average or below average pitching/defense.

The object of the game is to outscore the other team, whether you do it primarily with offense or with pitching/defense.

And I actually am pretty optimistic if they do make the playoffs with Hudson and Smoltz in the rotation and some of the power arms in the ‘pen.

By KC

July 25, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

I can’t believe I’m saying this (thinking back on what my expectations were for the bullpen heading into the season) but… I think our number-1 target right now should be a late-inning reliever.

It would be great to get Tex, but our bigger need to stabilize and deepen our pitching staff. I’ve been (like everyone) singing the “GET A STARTER!” song, but now the rotation seems to have stabilized. That would be great news if Soriano and Wickman weren’t coughing up leads left and right.

Heading into this season (before Gonzo got hurt), I thought this would be the best bullpen in baseball… so this hurts. But it looks to me like a late-inning reliever should be the top thing on JS’s shopping list.

By Ron Roberts

July 25, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

One last thing… anybody else notice how qiet it got from DO’Bs laptop last night?

Didn’t he mention getting out quickly enough to see Hank at Slims??

Dave, you didn’t leave the game, didya?? LOL

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Yars,

I agree. Although if we had lost last night’s game I would of been pretty upset.

By Scoff

July 25, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Alex- Make that fat b******* Wickman miss a meal, every time he blows a save…that should improve the Braves bullpen without making any trades.

hahahah

Isn’t this the obvious thing to do? Why haven’t the braves considered this?

By Arkansas Hillbilly

July 25, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

When I went to bed after the top of the 10th inning lastnight, I was so mad I couldn’t even close my eyes. Un-by-god-believable. I have a bad feeling about this Tex for Salty-and-the-rest-of-the-Braves-future trade.

Now for my announcer roast of the night. After Julio swung 2 seconds late on a Randy Messenger fastball, Chip said something to the effect of “Julio’s not the only one who’s late on this guy’s fastball.” Yeah Chip, but he is the only one who was late on Matt Morris’s blazing 86 MPH sizzler. FREE SALTY!!

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

They won last night, but that Padres team is going down. Young has an oblique strain and should miss his next start. We need to keep winning games.

By STRETCH

July 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Can somebody tell me is all this TEX for NACL talk true? We definitley need someone on first that can hit!

Also its really good to see the starting pitching coming around, but it seems that now the BP is nowhere to be found! This is a frustrating team sometimes and i think Bobby Cox needs to hang it up.

And i just cant, for the life of me, figure out why everybodies talking about trading RENTERIA when he has been the constant the past two years????

By Renegator

July 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

I think Bobby should have left Huddy in after the bloop hit. He still had a 3 run lead and I think he would have done a better job shutting down the Giants than Wickman did. Bobby mismanagement of the pitching staff at its finest.

Another note, everyone is worried about resigning Tex after 2008. Don’t forget Hamptons 16.5 million will be done after 2008. We can use that money to resign Tex to a long term deal.

By Will

July 25, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Coach, Say what you want about Wickman coming in with runners on base, but the thing is when that guy comes in to start an inning he allows base runners left and right. Even when he gets a save he still allows guys on most of the time.

Big Easy, I really dont think there is anything wrong with Wickman other then the fact that he has trouble getting major league hitters out anymore. Also let us not forget how many times Bobby ran him out there in April when it didnt seem neccesary, several of those appearances were not save situations.

By Wolfpack Man

July 25, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

DOB-

What is the word around the Braves personel concerning Lance Cormier?

I don’t know who else has noticed, but he is 3-0 with a 0.41 (22 IP 1 ER) in his last three starts at Richmond.

That includes a complete game shutout last night. Is there talk of him coming back to the rotation (possibly replacing Reyes if he is ineffective or traded) or being traded himself?

If he is 100% healthy, which it looks like he must be, then I think he is currently our best option at the #5 starter.

By geauxbraves2000

July 25, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Anyone see Huddy exit the dugout? He appeared a little peeved.

I went to bed after the 10th or 11th, can’t remember, I just couldn’t watch anymore. I got up this morning just knowing the Braves had lost, and was very pleasantly surprised when my wife told me they’d won.

I might try Soriano closing on the road and Wickman at home, but we all know there is absolutely no way that BC would do that.

Still, bottom line, Braves win!

Geaux Braves!!

By Renegator

July 25, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

If Braves give up Jo-Jo Reyes in the Tex deal - where is our 5th starter going to come from? Davies? God I hope not. I don’t mind trading Salty for Tex or any of our 600 middle infield prospects - but we can’t give up a starting pitcher.

By shoulda traded vick for CJ

July 25, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

gotigers72: u would cut julio and keep who…..Woodcrap!?? are you fckin kidding me?? At least Julio is a good pitchitter and scares pitchers into walks…..unlike woodcrap who scares noone and is lucky to just make contact. While i dont like him as the everyday first baseman….i do like his bat and defense off the bench. Man Julio is clutch! Something no ones EVER said about woodcrap! Bobbys strategys are maddening sometimes. If you know a guys terrible on the road…why bring him on in that situation? Kinda like how he kept letting soriano blow it night after night. Man Bobbys gotta realize pple get hot and cold….you gotta change it up sometimes! I think we might have to sweep the giants to keep up with the mets this week. Go Braves!

By Scoff

July 25, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

I agree we are very much in the thick of the playoff race. Our main focus should be on winning the NL east. It’s more likely to win the NL east, beating out the mets and holding off the phillies, than winnin the wild card. Just look, 4 teams (padres, braves, cubs, d-backs) are within 1.5 games of each other for the wildcard.

The padres, d-backs and, dodgers are all within 2.5 games of each other. The cubs are within 3 of the brewers and the phillies are within 2 of us. With this said, there are really 6 teams that are in great contention to win the wildcard.

The braves have to focus on the NL east and not fall back on the hopes of winning the wild card.

By Will

July 25, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Shaun, I am not totally opposed to a Tex trade, but i dont know what its going to matter if the bullpen does not straighten up. And if they do make the playoffs when is the last time you saw Tim Hudson pitch a good playoff game either with Oak or Atl. I will believe it when i see it. I always count Smoltzie as a win in the playoffs, but beyond that its pretty dicey.

By manolo

July 25, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

The worst problem in this team is the manager. Last night twice again we get w. harris on first with less tah n two outs but we don’t try to hit and run at all with the best player in the team, if not the league, at that situation. Result: the pitcher throws exactly the same pitch, a fastball low, and Renteria ground into a DP or a force out. I have counted them, this is the 5th time in two weeks that this same scenario has happened. why do you want a fast runner on, if you are not going to use him?????????????

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

I think when the Braves go to Arizona they should leave Woodward behind, purchase him a kayak & instruct him to stay in McCovey Cove to fend for the record ball. If Richmond can spare Pete Orr he should be purchased a wet suite & tied to the back of the kayak to give them better odds of recovering the ball. I find this may be the only productive way Woodward can be used to justify his contract.

Can you imagine if the ball he threw had hit Bonds in the head or neck & had injured him, we may have had a lynching on our hands by the loony toones that are Giant fans.

By Daybed Wagmoe

July 25, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

STRETCH — yes, the salty for tex talks are legit. atlantabraves.com says that a source has confirmed that a deal is in the works, and DOB has said on here (a couple times, i think) that the rumors are solid. as for the bullpen, i’m hearing that the braves are shopping for relievers, possibly zach greinke from kansas city or cj wilson from texas. but who knows how valid those rumors are.

By Luther

July 25, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Why wasn’t Joe harping on Barry Bonds and his poor approach all night? Remember Barry the only way to have a good approach is to think opposite field first.

After Wick blew the save and was struggling with the next guy, I heard this from the crowd: “throw a strike you fat piece of crap.” All I could think was that person must be on this blog and will tell us about being there today.

How about Escobar’s hit. Hasn’t played much recently, pinch hits in the 13th and almost decapitates the pitcher.

By Daybed Wagmoe

July 25, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Yars, i don’t think that chipper being out for 20+ games will put him out of contention for the MVP. last year, pujols was out for a few weeks with injury but that didn’t stop him from being runner-up (and it wasn’t the injury that kept him from winning it, either). from what i’ve heard DOB and others say, a player’s second-half performance plays heavily in the minds of the MVP voters. now that he’s caught up and gotten enough ABs to be included in the batting race, i think he’s definitely got a shot at it.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Seems like the difference to me with Wickman is 2 things.

1) Velocity off just a hair

2) Location is too fat. During his succesful periods, it appears to me that his slider was digging more and perfectly placed, jusssst off the plate.

That being said, I thought he ran into some bad luck last night. The pitches that were hit were good pitches loacation-wise.

I think you guys get too comfortable with the notion that evry releiver is going to be Mariano Rivera. In my lifetime, I’ve see guys like Don Stackhouse, who used to drive Earl Weaver crazy and Kent Tekulve, who wasn’t perfect but effective. Most nights, I think Wickman gives us the best chance to win. He is a bulldog and though it may be sport to poke fun at his weight, I don’t think it make a difference with his performance.

The soothing sounds of Madonna is what you need…

“Keep it together, we’ll make it alright”

By BamaBrave

July 25, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Hudson should be p#ssed, Geauxbraves. I remember a few years ago, the defense made a few boneheaded plays behind Glavine, and when he got in the dugout, he slung his glove off…made a WTF gesture and stormed into the tunnel. The Braves went on an 8-2 tear after that. I know these guys are rightfully concerned about being good teammates, and not showing anybody up…but I’d love to see a little more evidence of passion and fire at this crucial point in the season.

By brian

July 25, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

I like Julio a lot - as a reserve and a pinch hitter, but he has not improved our 1B production as an everyday player. Julio is obviously not an everyday player. The Braves might as well use Salty everyday at 1B and then consider Julio or Thorman as a late inning defensive replacement. At least by playing everyday, Salty would get the chance to make the adjustments that he needs to make. Of course for this to work, the Braves would need to call up Pena from Richmond to be a backup catcher. Everyone here has mentioned the roster move needed to make this happen. See ya Woodward. With Escobar on the team who can back up SS and 3B, there is no reason for Woodward.

The Braves need an extra reliever badly. Ledezma needs to go to AAA and start. He is of no use in our bullpen. We need to see what Boyer and Devine can do in the majors besides getting splinters. They cannot pitch much worse than Yates or Soriano have lately (or Wickman on the road). At the very least it would be fresh arms to let the overworked bullpen rest a bit.

I have a hard time trading Salty for Teixiera who will be here just over 1 year. If we can get a young starter like Snell for Salty then go for it. I would not trade Salty for another JD Drew. Who got the better end of that deal JS? The braves with one season of Drew or the Cards who have had Marquis and King, and now with Wainwright? If we had Wainwright currently, we would not need to be talking about the need to get another 25 year young starting pitcher!

By Colin

July 25, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

We can all but guarantee Tex will be a Braves uni, and thank JS for this because we would be getting a 30/100 guy for the playoff run and all of next year. We can move Andruw all the way to the 9 spot and let the pitcher hit 8th because i have more faith in the pitchers now. If we could get one BP pitcher we could really win the divison and go a ways in the playoffs…Hopefully….

By Jimbo

July 25, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

I was totally against the trade for Tex until I realized it would get AJ out of the cleanup spot so now I’m all for it. It would get AJ out of 4th wouldn’t it? Please tell me it would.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Kala Kaaihue was promoted to Double-A Mississippi.

Thomas Hanson had his first bad outing in Myrtle Beach and took the loss.

6 IP 6 hits 3ER 6BB 5K’s 1HR allowed.

By Will

July 25, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Tampa Brave, Its not that people expect Bob Wickman to be Mariano Rivera it is that he has been consistently bad lately. He has blown several BRUTAL saves this year, and he is gonna do it again, its that simple. I dont have a solution to the problem, but i do know that Wickman sucks.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Will,

The difference would be simply this, more run production means bigger leads giving BC more latitude with his starters who will be pitching with more of a lead AND allowing the bullpen innings to decrease which will allow them to rest properly.

Without Tex or a proven producer(Helton), the trends will continue. The BP will continue to get burned out. We’re walking on eggshells in too many games when we should have them pretty much secured by the 7th inning. Too many ducks left on the pond. We need to go huntin’.

By Paladin

July 25, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Tampa Brave takin’ up for folks! You must have had double-sugar with your cappuccino this morning. :-)

By Colin

July 25, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Jimbo

Andruw would be so far from the 4 spot well he would be 9…pitcher 8..

By STRETCH

July 25, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Thanks Daybed Wagmoe! Im really anxious to see what happens now with TEX and JULIO at first im pretty contempt.

Now we need to get rid of Hampton and AJones’contract. Could use that money on some solid pitching next year.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 25, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Morning denizens, Wow, rough night. Could have been worse though, I had to stop watching the game for a while and just listen. That said, a couple of observations. It t’was the walks that got Atlanta into trouble last night. The game tying hit by Falice was on a ball that was low and out of the strike zone. It is not like Wickman just groove one in there. Maybe Huddy was too pumped in the ninth, he had not thrown that many high pitches all night.

On Julio, I love the guy. BUT….. I don’t think his actual bat speed has slowed down, it’s his reaction time to balls thrown which explains why he can foul off 95MPH fast balls and look the same on a 89MPH heater too. I don’t think you can fix that. That is father time running up your back. However, he is still a better player than Wayward.

Trades at deadline are like playing chicken with money. Who knows what deal won’t be made on when someone will blink.

Great news on Cormier. Can we dare to think that his arm problems have been resolved? What a boost his healthy return could be.

By N8

July 25, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

“I was totally against the trade for Tex until I realized it would get AJ out of the cleanup spot so now I’m all for it. It would get AJ out of 4th wouldn’t it? Please tell me it would.”

Jimbo, I’m not trying to be rude to you or anybody in particular, but I believe that Bonds, Arod, and Pujols are the ONLY 3 players that Bobby would move Andruw out of the cleanup spot for.

For crying out loud, he’s got 2 better options CURRENTLY ON THE TEAM, in McCann and Frenchy.

Don’t mean to burst anybody’s bubble, but Tex will be batting 5th, if he is aquired by the Braves.

Mark it down.

By Chris Berman

July 25, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Going, going, going, uh wait…..damn…….One more time…..going, going, going GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just finished a 2 flusher.

Who’s up for a few Big Mac’s.

By Will

July 25, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Tampa Brave You need to remember that no matter what the lead is Chuck James and Reyes cant go more then 5 or 6, Smoltzie is gonna go 7 at the absolute most every start. I see no end in sight for this tired bullpen. I just disagree with the fact that a big bat is gonna change things that much without pitching help. How isa guy like Yates supposed to ever get rest when he is throwing the 9th inning of a 14-6 ballgame last Saturday!! I really do appreciate your optimism, but i just cannot fathom how the Braves make the playoffs/make noise when they get there without serious pitching help. Its not gonna happen. Texiera and no pitching help= no playoffs. I will even farther with Tex, i am not convinced he is an instant impact player anyways. Take him out of the AL, and out of Texas’ ballpark i dont see him producing quite the numbers in the pitcher friendly Turner Field. Not remotely trying to knock the guy, i just dont see it.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Will,

A Tex trade would likely increase the number of runs the Braves score. If the runs allowed stay the same, they are most likely going to win more games than they would if they didn’t make the move.

Who cares if they win games 8-6 or 6-4 or 4-2, as long as they win enough to make the playoffs?

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

I really doubt we are going to acquire Tex.

They are asking for pitching. We can’t afford to give up Reyes or Harrison. I can’t believe we would consider giving up Elvis Andrus, Salty and Jo Jo Reyes for Tex. Tex is not going to be on this team in 2009.

By rammerjammer

July 25, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

I said it last week…Salty, Thorman and a young pitcher to Texas for Teixeira and lefty reliever C.J. Wilson.

If that pitcher is Reyes, so be it. Carlyle’s development and James’ improvement have greatly strengthened the rotation. Problem solved.

Wilson is the effective lefty reliever we need. Lefties are hitting .099 - yes, .099 - against him. And he’s just 26, entering his prime.

The Rangers lust after Salty, Thorman will provide some relief at 1B, and Reyes provides promise in the rotation. They’re rebuilding. They need bodies. We’re contending. We need producers.

Do it JS!

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Paladin,

Welcome to the softer side of TampaBrave. TampaBrave wants to convey that his pet peave is a pitcher who walks batters. Would rather see a HR if the lead allows it. If a pitcher throws strikes and does so with some strategy, then we’re half way there. The rest is velocity and movement. TB sees Wickman in this mold. TB thinks Will is wrong and that the Wicker will make him eat his words down the stretch. And my boy Wicky knows a little somethin about eatin. Will, suit up with your “Jethro” napkin, dinner is about to be served.

By geauxbraves2000

July 25, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

but I’d love to see a little more evidence of passion and fire at this crucial point in the season.

Ditto BamaBrave.

Geaux Braves!!

By Lee

July 25, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

I hope a trade is made today. The suspense is getting too much and the trade rumor speculation is getting old. Salty is a goner; otherwise, why is he not playing as much. Two things come to mind; first he was in a mild slump …thus causing his average to drop slightly. If the slump continued his value would likely decrease a little and the other thing is more-than-likely to protect him from injury. If the Braves make the playoffs make A.J. will have a break-out post season. That is all it would take and he would probably get a contract signing around $20 million a year; then again he may get offered that much anyway.

By Will

July 25, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Gil, You hit the nail on the head with Julio, it looks like his reaction time is just not there anymore. And you are also right that there is absolutely nothing he can do about it.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

July 25, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Gil I agree about Hudson in the ninth. I wasn’t paying attention to the radar gun, but his fastball didn’t have the good movement in the ninth like it did in the other 8 innings. Everything was straight and high.

Speaking of straight and high fastballs, if Jo-Jo is included in a trade (I hope not), I would rather see Cormier get another shot in the rotation ahead of Davies. I’m not quite ready for another one of his roller coaster rides yet.

By john

July 25, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

I would like to see some splits on Wickman’s performance when Hudson pitches, compared to the rest of the rotation. Seems like he melts down when Huddy is on his A game (which has been quite often).

I hope Huddy won’t let that affect him the rest of the season, but damn has he pitched well…

I think that we can mortgage a bit of the future to win right now. This team has a ton of potential. Another arm in the pen that will be servicable for this year and next should be a priority. IMO, that is more of a concern then the starting pitching, but the starting pitching is hott right now, so I am short sighted.

Another bat, i.e. Tex or Helton (if he is on the block again) should be added at first.

Can Matt Diaz go back to playing left? I love watching Harris (Charles Thomas) play, but wow… Diaz could have added a little insurance with a few hits last night. And if not, are we going to trade for a regular leftfielder? I think if we make a run at Crawford (everyone’s favorite) or someone like that, then we can include a Brandon Jones for a stud pitcher.

Just my opinions…but I hope a solid trade happens soon

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Shaun and Will,

Will- Do you think the Cardinals care that they won 83 games in the regular season last year?

Shaun- This team should keep the focus on pitching. Dmitri Young would cost less. He won’t have as much as an impact as Tex, but pitching is the key. Are you really willin gto trade Salty, Jo Jo Reyes and Elvis Andrus for a guy that will not be on this team in 2009.

By Bill

July 25, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

I was against the trade of McBride for Ledezma. Now the Braves are stuck with him. They can trade or release him but can’t send him to minors. That’s why the Tigers wanted to trade him knowing they would lose him if they tried to send him to minors. He is out of options.

By Renegator

July 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Even if we sign Tex - I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Andruw stayed in the clean-up hole. Remember, we do have the world’s most stubborn manager.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Will,

Sorry Pal, but your are thinking two dimensional( ie Smoltz will always go 7, James and Reyes 5 or 6). Your thought process is not inserting the new variable. The new vaiable changes those equations. I will say this though. BC needs to use fewer arms, not 1 each in 7th, 8th and 9th. With a decent lead, Moylan could pitch 3 innings and if he stumbles, then bring the help. Sorry to tell you, but every team needs bullpen help. I’d match ours against anyone in the NL. Sure they’ve hit a plateau right now, but that will pass. I take it you don’t like Madonna.

By rammerjammer

July 25, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

One more thing about Teixeira. The dude KILLS lefties…carries a 1.067 OPS. Lefties own the Braves, but Teixeira could change that.

Oh, and for those who say he thrives because Texas is a hitter’s park, let me point out his home OPS is .943 and his road OPS is .940.

Case closed. The guy can rip it. Get him, John.

By john

July 25, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Cormier pitched a heck of a game at Richmond…I think he needs another 2 outings though, get some innings in and evaluate the old wing. He looks good though.

I can see JS letting loose on JoJo if he feels Cormier is healthy, or I can see them letting Cormier go, and stay with JoJo…

Does anyone miss Estrada now anyways, maybe we can make another trade like that

By journalist jimmy smith

July 25, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

“Officials to look out for terrorists practicing to carry explosive components onto aircraft, based on four curious seizures at airports since last September”

“The unclassified alert was distributed on July 20 by the Transportation Security Administration to federal air marshals, its own transportation security officers and other law enforcement agencies.”

“The seizures at airports in San Diego, Milwaukee, Houston and Baltimore included “wires, switches, pipes or tubes, cell phone components and dense clay-like substances,” including block cheese, the bulletin said. “The unusual nature and increase in number of these improvised items raise concern.”

block cheese? oh, the humanity! dob can no longer travel with block cheese?!

By Will

July 25, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Tampa Brave, I hope Wickman saves every damn game he pitches, but i do not have my hopes up. I will not be eating my words. He hardly strikes fear in opponents when he takes mound in the 9th inning. He has been consistent crap on the road this entire season, why is that gonna change. I ulitmately really believe he is just about finished as a major league pitcher. I really do wish i had your optimism, but when Wickman comes in to pitch i turn the channel cause i cant watch. That is not the kind of closer i want on my team.

By Ron Roberts

July 25, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Efrim, I think we are going to get Tex, and I think it’s because we can give the Rangers a position player (Saltalamacchia) and a young arm for the future, as well, which it seems they’re after. That being said, I hope we get something out of the deal more than that, if that’s the case, ya know, like some salary relief or an outfield prospect of theirs, something along those lines.

Renegator… I have to agree with ya. Bobby should have left Huddy in the game after a freak bloop hit. Nobody was getting good wood on Hudson, even in the 9th, and he was one measly out from ending the game. We wound up using up valuable bullpen energy last night when we had a chance to rest ‘em all. I think the criticsms of Bobby Cox on some things he does aren’t warranted, but he’s made some head-scratching decisions of late, and I can’t help but wonder if his bullpen use and moves like pulling Hudson last night aren’t due to his not having a Leo Mazzone beside him to talk things through.

Now we’re going into a Chuck James start that I can all but guarantee the bullpen will be taxed in. Chuckie’s not one to go beyond 6 IP very often for one thing, and for another, he’s a fly ball pitcher. Barroid could have a big night, nevermind the short reach for HRs to go out at RF, so Chuckie might get chased early.

What’s scary is out long middle relief guy, Oscar Villareal, pitched lst night. Tonight could be ugly, and if I’m managing the Giants, I’m telling my lineup to do all they can to chase the Braves’ starter early if at all possible.

Here’s hoping Chuck has his A game, because pulling Hudson might have lost a game tonight even if it didn’t last night.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

What’s the deal with refresh time on this blog? Can someone please start a new one? A bandwith killer…

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Efrim,

I don’t know if the Braves would trade those three guys for Tex. I think it will be Salty and a pitcher at most.

I have a hard time believing those rumors that it will be all three unless the Rangers are going to pick up all of Teixeira’s contract.

By Lew

July 25, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

To borrow a quote from Danny Glover in the Lethal Weapon movies-“I’m too old for this $h!t”!!! I hate West Coast games. I hate West Coast Extra Innings games even more and I hate West Coast Extra Innings games where we blow 4 run 9th inning leads most of all. TampaBrave-Still think it’s the offense? It’s really interesting reading in game comments in the morning. Most of you should not blog during games. Your insecurities and emotional baggage really shows. Whatever. Y’all will never change. However, I’ll boil it down to two posts-One I agree with and one that mystifies me. Wayne in Utah-You’re right-a win is a win and a desireable thing no matter how it is attained. Ron-Are you completely out of it? You would trade six players-four pitchers, no less-for a good pitcher and a 40 something part time 1B and pinch hitter? Are you flipping insane? Give up four pitchers to get one? And there is so much talk of mortgaging futures and giving up all of our young pitching. Unbelievable. JButler-Thanks for the Seattle information. We appreciate it.

By Will

July 25, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Tampa, I am not thinking 2 dimensional, that is a fact about how long the starters go. Leave Chuck in past the sixth he gets shelled, leave Smoltz in any longer and his shoulder will fall off by October(its going to anyways) I agree that maybe Moylan could be used for more then one inning, but the bottom line is nothing is gonna change the fatigue problem. And by the way dont compare the Braves bullpen to the rest of the league and act like they are on par cause they are not. Injuries, fatigue, etc… i dont not blame these things on the bullpen pitchers, but they are a fact of life. There is no way in hell this bullpen is okay. I know you watch all the games, but sometimes it is really hard to believe we are watching the same game.

By Jimbo

July 25, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

N8 and Colin

Unfortunately I agree with both of you. Bobby will never move AJ out of 4th even though he deserves to be hitting 8th. How many rallys can he kill before he leaves at the end of the season? I swear they would be 5 games ahead if anyone but AJ were hitting cleanup.

My biggest fear is that AJ somehow will wind up back with the Braves next year.

By BamaBrave

July 25, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

This Tex-Salty trade talk is giving me flashbacks to the J.D. Drew acquisition. Drew was an offensive plus, to be sure, but he was like a one-year lease…AND we lost Wainwright. A rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Wainwright, James and Carlyle/Reyes would look pretty good right now. I think Efrim makes a great point… I know we need some offensive pop, but I sure hope JS can avoid losing Reyes and Harrison in any Tex deal.

By StingerSplash

July 25, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

BamaBrave,

As badly as we need Gagne (last night’s late-inning debacle raises the conundrum of whether “Game Over” and Teixeira should be on the Braves’ shopping list), we are NOT trading Megan. No way. I know Woodward’s experience at first base is limited, but at some point, assimilation must take hold. When the guy’s numbers on the back of his uniform are in your line of sight and he ain’t moving, then you best get a better angle, bubba. Certainly he’s seen that play from other angles to know better. Bobby’s penchant for using relievers one inning at a time may come back to bite him in an extra-inning game. Perhaps Villarreal or Moylan could have gone another inning, had Bobby double-switched earlier, because there was no telling how long that could have gone on. I try to be positive, but Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I’ve come to the conclusion that Wilfredo Ledezma (stinks).

By journalist jimmy smith

July 25, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

joe: “there’s the man right over there, bobby cox, one of the great managers in baseball.”

jon: “but bobby’s a nose-picker, joe, and personally i find that behavior disgusting. it’s hard to have “great manager and nose-picker in the same sentence.”

joe: “let’s analyze this … “

By AthensBrave

July 25, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

I can’t stay up past the forth inning for these west coast games. I’m glad I wasn’t awake for the ninth. Bobby is a good manager, but has made a lot of questionable decisions this year. Bring up Startup!!

Question—-

Can trades be made after the 31st?

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Lew,

That was a tough game to watch last night. Wickman is not good. In fact, he has to be our closer because he has to start innings with no one on base. It would of been a tough loss with the Phillies and Mets winning their games, which we should probably get used too(Pirates and Nationals are terrible).

By TennesseePaul

July 25, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Helluva game last night. Catching up on this blog is funny. All the bandwagoneers jumped ship fast. Some even questioned the move of bringing in the teams closer to get 1 out in the bottom of the ninth with a 3 run lead. Incredible!

I’m glad the boys pulled it out. I’m glad to see Hudson stick in there for the near CG. I’m glad to see the 100+ pitches he threw as well. I’m disappointed the closer couldn’t get 1 out before blowing the game. C’est la vie. I guess the pen didn’t want to take the night off. But it’s a win and I’ll take it.

It’d be amazing to see Teixeira in the line up. But after reading Bowman’s report on the possible deal it seems a bit scary to me. Elvis, Salty, and JoJo!?! Those are three of the coolest names in the organization. I’ll be honest with you, I was looking forward to cheering for JoJo. Rooting on Salty. And screaming for Elvis. Seems like a steep price to pay for Teixeira. If that is to be the deal, I certainly hope Gange is included and that money comes along. That’s a big part of the future. Maybe both those two walk, but at least, if they do, we get draft picks. Somehow that isn’t as exciting as when Baez walked.
It also begs the question, if JoJo is gone, who takes up the back end? Lerew is done and out. Kevin Berry… I’ll drive up to wherever the Braves are just to club him with a tire iron… Davies is a head case. Who else would we get? Wait a minute… didn’t the Rangers pick up Redman after we let him go? There’s the solution!

Alright, let’s take this game tonight guys!
GO BRAVES

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

BamaBrave,

Drew put up an MVP-type season. Wainwright was still a very young pitcher and the odds are highly against very young pitchers.

But I have a hard time believing the Braves would give up more than one young pitcher in a Tex deal, unless maybe the Rangers are going to give the Braves whatever cash is required to pay all of Tex’s contract until it expires. But if that’s the case, why would the Rangers trade him right now in the first place?

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

I think a combination of Salty, Davies, Devine & a few other prospects may be gone. Davies & Devine obviously are not high in the list’s of Cox & JS so they will be actively shopped & why not, if they are not going to be used, get someone that will.

I really think they are working a huge deal with Texas to get Tex & a bullpen arm, hopefully Gagne, but a lot of teams will be hot on him as well so he will be pricey. Those two & a good lefty for the team basically fixes all the current problems, well ones that can be fixed.

The starting pitching has been quite good & I really see no reason to spend the farm to get another mediocre , aging starter who is going to give us the same or less than Carlyle or Reyes. With Cormier looking good in Richmond he is the back up in case either out 4th or 5th faulters.

I just know we are going to have to watch Andruw fail time & time again in the clean up spot, only to watch Bobby pencil him in there every day. Sooner or later he might get hot & many will claim that Cox was a genious for leaving him there.

Andruw has been up with runners on 190 times & 125 with RISP, yet only has 65 RBI’s. ARod who has 100 RBI has only been up with RISP 110 times. Those of you who says he has good #’s aside from the average are correct, but without context those #’s are skewed. Andruw should have around 90 RBI’s or more taking into account his career average & the the amount of AB’s he’s had with runners on & RISP.

By BamaBrave

July 25, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Stinger…we could trade Salty and I wouldn’t too emotional. But losing Megan would bring a tear to my eye. Her work during “Thank God I’m a Country Boy” would truly, truly be missed…

By N8

July 25, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Jimbo

“My biggest fear is that AJ somehow will wind up back with the Braves next year.”

Me too….me too. That is really sad, when you think about it. When a guy that has been one of the faces for your favorite team, has left such a sour taste in your mouth that you can’t wait for him to leave, and shudder at the though of him sidestepping Bora$$ again, an re-upping with the Braves.

Don’t want him. Period.

That’s one of the main reason’s I want Tex. It will all but guarantee Andruw’s departure. And I’m a big fan of Salty and think that in about 3 years, we’re gonna regret moving him. But business is business, I guess.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Hell yeah Lew. We blew more opportunities with the rally killa #25. Unfortunately, the walks by Hudson were the problem(my pet peave). Wickman threw good pitches. One should have been caught and the other was a bloop over Renterias head. A more agile SS may have even made a play on it. But I’m not hatin’ on Edgar, just stating a fact. Edgar is raking at the plate. Otherwise the bullpen held firm after that and we finally got to one of their scrubs and WON the game. Bullpen gets my kudos.

Will, I have confidence in the Wicker. Again, your benchmark is too high. He comes in and fights tooth and nail. I appreciate that. Do you really not watch? Don’t be a chicken s**. Take it like a man. I beleive he’s been successful a heavy majority of the time. What else do you want? Perfection?

Quit blaming the BP. Consistency and efficiency on offense is the key.

Please stand on your head and read this if you don’t understand the concept of maximizing the fact that you have some BA killas not finding their way home. Chipper should keep a portable tent to throw up at 2nd base. Forget campin’, let’s go huntin’..

By Salty

July 25, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Jimbo DO’B hasn’t asked for improvement ideas…not that he needs to. And many like the music.

What would help, and Lew mentioned it, is don’t blog while watching the game. There are a couple hundred posts of absolutely nothing but ‘Debbie Downer’ remarks…they have no value whatsoever.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

fastasballs,

Andruw doesn’t have good important numbers besides average. He’s posting a .319 OBP and a .423 SLG.

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 25, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

“Thanks Daybed Wagmoe! Im really anxious to see what happens now with TEX and JULIO at first im pretty contempt.”

Freudian slip, I’m guessing.

By Some Journalist

July 25, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Jimbo One more way to improve blog:

Automatically delete any blogger that has a name like Jimbo that is over the age of 12. Under 12 with that name is perfectly understandable and should be allowed(just not taken seriously).

Oh, and they don’t get to make the rules either.

By Daybed Wagmoe

July 25, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

DOB, what’s chipper’s RISP avg? i know it’s not great, but i couldn’t find it anywhere so figured i’d ask here. i’m curious b/c in 2005, andruw’s MVP run was hurt badly by his low RISP, and i’m hoping the same won’t happen to chipper this season. he’s at the top of slugging percentage, batting average, and 2nd for OBP (and OPS, i think), so if he keeps it up, he should have a shot (don’t you think?).

By BamaBrave

July 25, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Shaun…I know that was JS’s logic with the J.D. Drew moves, and I’m sure they thought they’d be able to sign him for more than just the one year. Wainwright was young and unproven…he still is in many ways. But if Liberty isn’t going to increase payroll, the organization can’t keep leaking good young arms for these potentially-temporary offensive fixes. We’ll look up in 2009 with a rotation of…who? Maybe Hudson, Chuck James, and Buddy Carlisle? It just makes me nervous, that’s all…

By Lucas...

July 25, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Athensbrave

yes trades can be made but the players involved have to pass through waivers which is nearly impossible for any player that has talent and is not making A-Rod money….

… I am torn with this whole Tex. thing. I do think he will help us but the whole thing depends on what reliever they put in with tex. I am pretty sure that JS will do the deal if he feels that he is killing two birds with one stone. I trust JS will get the best deal possible. He is the games best at making other teams think his stuff is worth more than anyone elses. Bruce Chen anyone? Just sit back, relax and have faith.

By GeorgetownKid

July 25, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul

I’ll join you in knee-capping Barry if he is called up. Hell, I’m tall, overweight, and not particularly good. I could just pretend to be him on the mound. The result would probably be the same.

Also, while I don’t want us to trade away the three coolest names in baseball, cheering for “Tex” would be pretty cool too.

Could this deal do for us what the Crime Dog did so long ago??

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Jimbo, thanks for the recommendations. They will be taken under careful consideration….

OK, done. Committee decided not to change anything.

By iwalterp

July 25, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Brian, your comments are right on. Unless JS is ready to let Andruw walk next year so he can sign Texiera to long term contract, why give up Salty for Tex for one year. The fact is even if Texiera comes to Braves BC will keep Andruw in the cleanup spot and bat him 5th. I have been an AJ fan a long time but he is a designated rally killer right now. He equates homeruns with big money contract next year, so he keeps trying to pull everything into the left field stands eventhough a base hit to center or right would increase his rbi total by a half. Also, some are blaming Harris for not making a doable diving catch in the ninth, but the replays show that Andruw was not on a path to backup Harris in case he missed the catch but would have run into him with Harris stretched out airborne. Make trade for Texiera for Salty and nonroster minor leaguer,(please don’t include Jo Jo Reyes) only if JS is guarranteed he can sign Tex.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave,

The Braves offense is fine, not matter which way you slice it. They are fifth in the league in runs scored.

Only eight teams in all of baseball have scored four or more runs in as many or more games. And a lot of those teams play half their games in very good hitters parks.

You really think offensive consistency and efficiency is the problem?

By Will

July 25, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Tampa Brave, You act like you dont need pitching to win games. Championship teams win games 1-0 or 2-1, quit blaming the offense, the Braves pen needs alot of help its that simple. I know a pitcher is not perfect, but dude Bob Wickman is not a top notch closer, he definitely has no chance coming into a jam. Coming in and fighting tooth and nails that greaking great, how about getting a damn save on the road. You were all for Edgar Renteria getting traded last week and saying he does not play great defense, where is that today? I am sorry i am a “chickenshit”. I am a realist buddy, you are hands down the most delusional poster on these blogs. Being optimistic is great, but i dont understand you incessant harping on the fact if the offense was better it would all be okay.

By The Grinch

July 25, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Paladin, thanks. My hiney is nice and clean now. :-)

Hillbilly, you can’t be both straight and high at the same time.

I’d love to have Tex, but no WAY is JS stupid enough to give Salty, JoJo and Andrus up for him, unless the deal includes Gagne or a lesser bullpen arm and a boatload of cash.

Why is everyone being so hard on the McBride-Ledezma trade? Just because Ledezma is older, considerably less effective (completely ineffective, really) against both righties and lefties, is prone to visa problems and locked up for less time doesn’t mean it’s not a good deal in the long run. I guess they’re just trying to save money on the post-game buffet.

By Lucas...

July 25, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Tampa Brave:

I agree that the offense needs to be more consistent, but when the lead is blown in the ninth inning with the braves winning, how is that the offenses fault?

DOB: I saw Morrissey the other night at chaistain park. He has never been my favorite but I have to admit, the old man knows how to put on a good show. You listen to Lucero? If not check em’ out. Good, unique style.

By Will

July 25, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Tampa, PS: You continue to tell me that every other team in the NL has bullpen problems, well i got news for you every other team in the NL also has problems getting runners in everytime they are in scoring position. Every other team has your so called “BA killers” Its goes both ways buddy!

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Shaun, You’re right about Andruw’s other #’s. I should have clarified a little better, at first glance his HR & RBI #’s are good, but that’s it. He’s been an utter failure hitting in the clean-up spot in the order. Hitting 7th is where he could do the least damage to the team, well the Braves that is. Many want him hitting 8th, but in the NL the 8th hitter needs to be a decent average/on base guy in order to clear the pitcher.

By Todd A

July 25, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

So we’re looking at possibly trading Salty,Jo Jo,and Elvis for Tex?Trading more of our promising farm hands to cover up the gaping hole in our lineup that Schuerholz himself created with the LaRoche debacle?One step forward….two steps back.JS’ new motto.

By Lew

July 25, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Efrim-Yeah, It was a tough game to sit through-especially when the blood pressure meds kicked in around 12:30. I agree with you, I wouldn’t bring in Wicky with men on base. However, that only raises the question of what you gonna do when you can’t trust your closer? TampaBraves-Dude,I have no idea how you can claim it’s the hitters fault when they ended up scoring 7 runs and the bullpen was handed a 3 run lead with two outs in the 9th-blew it and damn near blew another three run lead in the 13th. There are always going to be runners left on base and scoring opportunities wasted, just like someone once said there will always be poor folk. You know what, even awesome offensive teams like the Red Sox blow scoring opportuinities-even great hitters fail to record hits 2/3 of the time-it’s the nature of the baseball beast. The real winners are those who win anyway. The real winners are those whose bullpen won’t squander leads like ours have done for the past week, as if they were having a blown save contest. Just who is not seeing the forest because he isn’t even looking for trees?

By flange1

July 25, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Grinch,

I think you are right, JS will not give up Salty, JoJo and Elvis for just Tex, their is more to the deal than is being published.

Remember how long the Laroach for Gonzo deal took, and that Voila, we got Lillibridge too!

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Daybed Wagmoe,

Chipper’s numbers with RISP are pretty good: .267 AVG/.413 OBP/.465 SLG.

Plus he’s doing plenty to create runs with nobody on (.374/.439/.694) and with just runners on first (.391/.480/.594).

What’s going to hurt Chipper is his missed time and the fact he bats third so he’s usually hitting behind only two great on-base guys instead of three or four. These two things help explain why Andruw has significantly more RBI than Chipper.

By GeorgetownKid

July 25, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Mr. O’Brien,

Could you please correct me if I’m wrong, as it would seem to me, that were Salty to be dealt, he would have to be dealt for a 1B, not for a pitcher.

Because were we to lose Salty, we would lose our best-hitting 1B, and one of our better hitters overall. We would have to replace his bat were he to be traded. Unless of course the Braves view B. Pena as a viable alternative, which I would doubt.

Were Salty to be involved in a package deal, then perhaps a pitcher could be obtained in addition to a 1B. But the sine-qua-non of a deal involving Salty would have to be a good hitter who can play 1B.

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Sorry about that, one of Jimbo/TampaBraves’ posts was accidentally deleted. The one where he offered three recommendations on how to improve the blog, including no more insipid song lyrics, no posts over 50 words, and no one calling themselves journalists.

That’s what the reply was about. The one about how nothing’s going to change. We like insipid. For instance, that post….

Lucas, got four or five of Lucero’s albums now, including the raw, low-fi country EP that’s my favorite. Jake the Braves’ radio producer knows someone in the band, went to school with him in Memphis, I believe, and told me a couple more albums to get after I’d bought one.

Morrissey is an outstanding showman, for sure. Saw him at Tabernacle with the ex-wife a few years ago. We were blown away (I’m an old Smiths fan, one of my favorite all-time bands, so I was blown away when he opened with “How Soon is Now?”)….

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Todd A

So we’re looking at possibly trading Salty,Jo Jo,and Elvis for Tex?Trading more of our promising farm hands to cover up the gaping hole in our lineup that Schuerholz himself created with the LaRoche debacle?One step forward….two steps back.JS’ new motto.

Well done. I agree.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

BamaBrave,

Has it happened often that the Braves have traded quality young pitching for quick fixes on offense?

Other than Wainwright (and the jury is still out on that one) when have the Braves traded away an arm that turned out to be quality for a quick fix on offense?

The Braves needed to replace a guy named Gary Sheffield so they probably got the best available guy.

Todd A,

Are you kidding? How was JS to know that a guy who’s hit all his life at every level was going to be awful this season? Or that the guy he got to back him up/share time would be a flop at the age of 30? It’s easy to criticize with hindsight at your disposal.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Do you get the feeling if the Teixeira trade does happen, it will be this week or earlier next week or will it go down to the wire?

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Wickman is okay if you start the inning with him. But Cox should know not to do that again. The loss of Mike Gonzalez is really coming up to bite us in the rear end. If we don’t acquire Tex, I hope JS gets two relievers at the deadline. It would sure help.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

July 25, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Grinch,

Oh yes you can. Just ask your doctor if Cial…wait a minute????

DOB I got my copy of “Sirens of the Ditch” (Jason Isbell) in the mail yesterday. You picked it up yet? I’ve only listened to it one time through except for Dress Blues which I repeated about 4 times. Not bad at all. Patterson Hood helped produce it and he also sits in on piano for a couple of songs. Shonna plays bass on almost every song, and Brad Morgan plays drums on a couple of songs as well. Even John Neff, Isbell’s DBT replacement, plays steel on one track. Cooley is the only Trucker that doesn’t make an appearance. Check it out.

By Ron Roberts

July 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why some of you guys think that JS going after Teixeira would be all that he’d do. The man’s not a moron; he, too, sees the bullpen in tatters, and I’m sure would address the ‘pen even if he did get Teixeira first or foremost.

Hell, even if he didn’t, we’d be adding nitro to an already well-oiled offensive machine. Getting Tex, to me, would boost our offense so much that it’d outweigh bullpen woes most nights.

Lance Cormier, by the way, is quietly excelling in his last three rehab starts in Richmond, and Jo Jo Reyes has been very promising his last two starts with the big league squad. These guys might be providing us with fresh options in the bullpen or pieces to use as trade fodder.

By Colin

July 25, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

See what you dont understand is if we get a slugger (Tex) we can outscore a team and slug them to death, instead of trying to outpitch them. Our bullpen would be more succesfull if we didnt put them in one run games and have to pitch 4 innings, can any bp do that consistently NO

Jimbo *Why put AJ there he will still kill a rally,AJ has grown acustom to killing us *

* Todd A* Everyone says that LaRoche deal was a bad trade, well lets see Gonzo would have helped us in the bullpen if it wasent for arm trouble which he will get over,and be back next year healthy and determined to pitch well which is a benefit to us, and LaRoche hasent had that great of a year in a park which is 320 down the line. At Turner Field that would be a fly ball because down the line it is 330. He has the power to hit 30 or 40 homeruns in that park. His average is .246 which is not the greatest to say the least.He has only 56 rbi’s which AJ has and he has had a terrible year.

By The Law Firm of Price, Jenkins, White, Lelie, & Finneran

July 25, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

45-26 when Smoltz, Hudson, James, & Buddy start. 52-36 when Smoltz, Hudson, James, Buddy, and Davies start. AGAIN, hitting is not the problem. Kinda funny how they when when the starting pitchers are not getting the snot knocked out of them, the Braves tend to win a lot. How many times does that need to be posted before people start figuring that out?

Also, the Braves are 53-33 in Tim Hudson’s starts since he got here. Looks like he has done his job. It’s kinda funny that so many (including myself at times) routinely bashed the guy but when he is doing well, you rarely hear anyone acknowledging it.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Efrim and Todd A,

When has JS made a trade that caused the Braves to go “two steps back”?

By Lew

July 25, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Efrim-Honestly, I’d settle for the extra relief help. I am still in a quandry over why BC did not let Devine pitch when he was here. That is mystifying to my way of thinking.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 25, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Here’s the story about Cormier’s CG shutout last night:

http://oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3513167

A few days back, I said that the best option for a “fresh” — as in, not worn down by four months of work at the major or minor league level — arm is Lance Cormier.

And doggone it if he isn’t pitching like he was in Spring Training.

I would hate to move JoJo now — kid looks like he can contribute — but if doing so can improve the pen or help land Tex, Cormier may be ready to go.

By brian

July 25, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

the more I read about CJ Wilson the more I think the Teixeira trade will happen and the Braves will give up major prospects to get them. The Rangers know the Braves need bullpen help and especially left bullpen help. The Rangers want to unload Teixeira but get good return on him. The Rangers will dangle Wilson to further entice the Braves to give up Salty, Davies, and Harrison or Reyes for the two. The Braves will probably try to get Devine to replace one of the pitchers.

I fully expect to see CJ Wilson and Teixeira in Braves uniforms within the next week. I hope it does not cost us the farm

By Ron Roberts

July 25, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

I LOVE “How Soon Is Now!” God, what a classic alternative rock song from that era. Also reminds me of Soho’s “Hippy Chick,” for the similar guitar riff looped.

By Will

July 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Isnt that really sad that most of us on here are in agreement that our closer is better off when he starts the inning with noone on base. Half of a closers job is to be able to come in and clean up a mess. I am pulling for Wickman, but man he scares me. I just hope a playoff spot does not slip away becaues of blown saves.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Will,

I thought a closers job was to rack up numbers in a mostly bogus stat, the save.

By Colin

July 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

* Will* I dont think you will have to worry about Wickman our bullpen gets put it situation’s which alot of bullpens in the league could not get out of.

By Will

July 25, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

The save is the closers job, and what do you get when you come in and clean up a mess….a save!! Wickman can not get out of a 1st and 3rd one out jam, he just cant. i would bet money Wickman has a few more blown games up his sleeves for us. and one way or another i will be going for a walk if they braves are in the playoffs and he comes into a 1 run game for a save.

By Ron Roberts

July 25, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

See, the problem with the way Bobby Cox is using Wickman is that Wickman’s not the “get us out of a jam” type of closer. He’s better suited to start an inning with a clean slate. He’s not a flame-throwing, strikeout-inducing type of closer, so bringing him in wither RISP or even on-base at all isn’t the wisest use for him. Wicky’s a contact-out pitcher; he’ll get you the double-play you need, but bringing him in with a RISP, or RISP with less than two outs is taking a chance.

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

GeorgetownKid, Braves don’t HAVE to get a 1B for Salty, since they could go with Julio and Thorman backing up. But I don’t see them doing that. They want Teixeira and are definitely in heavy talks to send Salty to the Rangers for him, though Braves are also trying to expand deal a bit to get reliever (Wilson probably).

They don’t want to give up Salty without getting at least one pitcher in part of a package for him, even if Braves have to throw in another prospect from their end….

Hillbilly, got Isbell just before I left town. Haven’t had a CD player to listen yet, but will play it repeatedly on my drive from Scottsdale hotel to downtown Phoenix ballpark in a few days.

By jim

July 25, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

there is no doubt pitching is what got the Braves to all the divisional titles and hitting is what lost the divisional titles for them! Franco was a “dumb” idea, Trading Jo Jo would be just as dumb, he has pitched well in every game he has pitched early but fades as the games go on, he will get that fixed with time and experience. I have been a life long brave fan and with the exception of Fred McGriff I dont recall a trade that was ever made during the season that helped. all the prospects we traded off would make a pretty good starting staff, ie, schmidt, milwood, wainwright, etc, seems like the only “sure thing” we ever traded off that was good was Marte. Edgar is “awesome” but if one ever wanted good trade bait now is the time, to be honest with you unless we get two quality starters, a good power hitting first basemen (texeria) and a left closer and a “reliable closer” we are not going any where anyway so why trade the farm for a “loaner”. Texeria I agree if we lock him up for a long term deal, andrew will never be back and the way he plays anymore who cares, if feels like he is just out there, no emotins what so ever, swinging at every first pitch that comes. Jeff Francour is one of my favorites but trading him for a top flight pitcher would be a “good” thing, I dont see Jeff ever anything but a 20hr, 280 hitter with a good arm and no range. I love KJ keep him, McCan is who I would trade and keep Salty, To be honest I would trade Smoltz and Huddy right now if I was GM for some “sure thing” young arms, ie Snell, Young, Malhom etc, I dont see us winning anything even if we get to the playoffs we have too many missing pieces, ie, no lefty, NO closer, no consistent power hitter, week infield, NO NO bench, but we DO have some great young talent that can not only get us back to divisional champs but maybe more than one WS ring, BRAVEAHOLIC for life

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Shaun, a Tex-for-Salty trade (as principles in deal) could literally happen in an hour or at 11:59 on July 31. Just don’t know yet, so much goes into this stuff, including physical exams, teams holding out for final offers from other suitors, etc.

By Yars

July 25, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

You have to be in the right mood to listen to Morrissey. A lot of his songs are so depressing. Suedehead, Everyday Is Like Sunday, to name a couple. Some of the best bands of my generation came out of England in the early 1980’s. the Smiths, Depeche Mode, the Cure, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Adam Ant, …. Listen to bands like Nine Inch Nails, the Killers, Ladytron, AFI, & you can hear the influence bands like Cure, Mode, Smiths had on them.

By Bob, Journalist

July 25, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

At the end of the season, we may find that all wins are good. I wonder what the over is for tonight’s game will be?

I would have left Hudson in and we would have probably lost …

We each have our opinions but personally, I was disappointed to read where Bud said that Barry is innocent until proven guilty.

In the eyes of the law, Barry is presumed innocent until proven guilty however, you’re either innocent or guilty when the deed is done, not if and when it’s proven.

Methinks it’s far more than just semantics … it’s the message that goes along with it … “you’re not guilty of anything unless they can prove it!” That seems to be the prevalent mentality, especially among the youth … and we give that notion positive reinforcement.

Regardless, of how you view it, my personal opine is that it would be in baseball’s best interest to withhold recognition until the matter is resolved … the cloud already exists … it seems to beg the question as to whether MLB is passing the buck to the authorities.

It is a criminal situation only with regard to illegal substances … but regardless, isn’t the evidence required for criminal indictment and that which is required for the Office of the Commissioner to take action … and/or the levels of required proof … different?

If so, methinks it would be unfortunate, if not inappropriate, for MLB to defer to, or mirror, the criminal investigative response.

Maybe they should threat the issue with the same level of integrity as they do the All Star Game … let the fans decide … 25 votes per person … only this time with a different sponsor.

Just my personal opines …

By journalist jimmy smith

July 25, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

oh, the pachydermanity! this journalist missed the post from jimbo suggesting no journalists be allowed to post here. dob, a noted journalist, deleted the post. this journalist knows jimbo well. jimbo has an elephant name and has blogged here before along with jumbo and dumbo. now, jimbo, must link tails with jumbo and dumbo and walk around in circles while all qualified journalists post here.

now, baseball … it is rumored that all in attendance when the magic 756th homerun is hit will receive a commemorative melon.

and lastly, cheese is very much in the news of late and this blog’s cheese expert is being very coy about mattters pertaining to cheese. still, center seat puts dob in cheese heaven.

By Tom

July 25, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Tex for Salty is a smoke screen. I will be totally surprised if it happens. JS blows this type of smoke all the time. JS dangles the carrot we all run after it and he pulls something unexpected. I really do not see the Braves getting a 1B unless it is the roach. call me what ever, but I really think he will be the 1B for the braves in the future.

We need pitchers not offense right now. Yes our 1b production stinks but everyone else is above average (AJ is the exception)

Watch for Salty dog to go where they NEED a catcher. Texas NEEDS pitching. My prediction is Oakland.

By brian

July 25, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

I just have to wonder if JS is working on a couple deals right now (of course he is working on a lot of deals but bear with me). I think he is working on 2 trades that must happen to have all the pieces fit together for this team. Such as Salty and Jo-jo for Teixeira and then a second deal involving Edgar for a starter to take Jo-jo’s spot in the rotation. I think JS is working on a couple of deals where he will either do both deals or neither of the deals.

It should be fun to watch the rumor mill.

I wish there was some way we could get Bedard from the O’s

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

It’s like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I’m surrounded, but do I care? Not really. I know what I see. So let me quickly reply to each one of you pod people.

Shaun, The offense’s average runs per game ARE fine. The problem is its feast or famine. I know we are not going to score 5 runs every night, but I don’t discount that we could do much better if not for the glaring holes we have in the line-up.

Will,

Of course you need pitching and yes she could win more low scoring ball games, but this is not the pitching rich Braves. They are gone. This team is an offensive built team with sprinkles of good pitching and defense. To say that Wickman can’t close a game is downright wrong. He has on many occasions. Yes, I proposed a trade to Texas for Tex for Renteria because I beleive Yunel can bring it. And I will hold that his defense is average. He missed an easy one in this series and I thought an agile SS could have made a decent play for that BLOOP hit off of Wickman. I never said he was not valuable, precisely why I proposed the straight up trade for a very valuable Tex. You are half right. You are a realist chickenshit. Again, offensive inconsistency is the most pressing variable in the number of losses we have suffered, not discounting the fact that pitching breaks down here and there, which I expect since the team is built to score mucho runs. And yes, other teams have their offensive problems, BUT I think our team SHOULD be the best offense in baseball. If AJ were hitting .285, we probably would be. Things are relative to a degree. Too many variables to match apples and oranges.

Lucas,

This depends on which angle you look at it. The pitching was great until the 9th inning. Two walks, a bloop and a defensive mixup. I look at that and see those two walks as deadly. That’s the most controllable component here. Wick made some good pitches and got bad breaks. Not controllable. I categorize last night to a little bit of both. Nothing is absolute. I simply point out that I see way too much inconsistency in scoring runs.

LEW(Mr. St. Pete apologist)

See above. To add to your comment. Apply your same logic of not hitting the ball .667 of the time to a pitcher’s plight. One will win, one will lose. 50/50, I’d say. What does that mean? Nothing!!! My point exactly.It comes down to a situational confrontation every time. In the confrontations last night, I saw AJ either SO or GDP when runs were on the line. I saw Huddy walk 2 straight in the ninth. I saw Wick throw some good pitches and fail to save the game. I saw the BP be resilient after that. I saw edgar rake it and win the game. We were fortunate to have him up with runners on, not AJ or Julio.

Back to your POds!!

By the Stranger

July 25, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

O’B, I know it’s been posted here before, but I’m looking for the raw, lo-fi Lucero album you mentioned earlier. And I’m not sure if it’s ssiscribe or Bob, but one of those fine gentlemen owe you a ticket to Hank III.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Will,

I’m not going to defend or condemn Wickman. I’m just saying you also get a save when you come in and get three outs when your team is leading by three runs. Even if you walk three guys and give up two runs in one inning.

The best reliever is often used only in save situations, even if it’s better to use him in tie games or with the team down by one. Or in some cases, if the best reliever isn’t the closer, he isn’t going to come in in a save situation no matter how tight that situation is. This is ridiculous to me, as I’ve said several times before. Instead of using a stat to help measure performance, the save is a stat that managers and GM’s work around. Wouldn’t it make more sense to use your best reliever in tight games, your second-best one in games that are not quite as tight, etc.?

By journalist jimmy smith

July 25, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

cheese heaven. hmmm… perhaps a song is in order. working on it.

By Savannah Guy

July 25, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

DOB: Not sure how, but I just got this weird email from a weird fella named Jimbo@Tampawithit.com, so I figured I’d just pass it along to you:

<<<< >>>>

*TO MR. SMARTY DOB: Because of YOUR damn blog, I’m not bathing regularly, haven’t brushed my teeth in more than a week, got fired from my job, my wife left me, my dog ran off with the neighbors kid, the bank repossessed my car, the landlord gave me just two days to catch up on the last 6 months rent, I’ve gained 85 pounds, I’m well on my way to becoming an intense alcoholic and now I’ve got this damn twitch that won’t…won’t…won’t stop stop - and now I have been DELETED from this dagblasted pitiful excuse for a blog. DAMN YOU David O’Brien…it’s ALL because of those music lyrics, those long posts over 50 words and those dadgum smartypants jour…jour…journalists I have lost everything.

Alright then Mr. BOGSHOT BLOG MAN…I’m gonna give you just one…more…chance…

J…JJJIII…Ji…Jimbbbooo*

By UVABrave

July 25, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I know with the whole Salty-Tex thing going on (and being on the west coast), but I was wondering if you noticed that Cormier had another strong outing in Richmond. Any word on whether he might get called up to to either start or provide long relief?

Also, I know Salty seems to be the obvious trade piece for Tex (instead of Escobar), but have you gotten any feeling on whether the Braves value Salty or Escobar more in trade talks? And, if they trade one, is it safe to assume that the other will not be traded?

By the way, have you checked out the Austin City Limits concert lineup? It looks like a fantastic weekend.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I like the flavor your lyrics give to the blog.

I just wish it did not take over a minute to refresh, that’s all.

Dude, I love what you do!!

By Todd A

July 25, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

“Are you kidding? How was JS to know that a guy who’s hit all his life at every level was going to be awful this season? Or that the guy he got to back him up/share time would be a flop at the age of 30? It’s easy to criticize with hindsight at your disposal.”

That is what scouts are for.They are also supposed to warn you about trading a young playter about to hit his prime for a sore armed reliever.

Thorman wasn’t a proven commodity btw.LaRoche was.It’s always a gamble when you expect a player’s minor league #’s to carry over to the major league level.Craig Wilson’s demise isn’t that surprising either.He’s a career .265 hitter in the majors.He managed more than 57 RBI’s once in his MLB career(2004).Here’s the thing that irks me,the Braves already had question marks in left field with Langerhans/Diaz(thank goodness for Willie) and KJ at 2nd base.

Yes,I’m criticizing in hindsight.I didn’t know who Mike Gonzalez was when the Braves traded for him.But,when I saw his funky mechanics for the 1st time in a Braves uni,I said uh oh.With all that torque he puts on his elbow and shoulder with his unorthodox delivery,I knew it was only a matter of time before he was a candidate for the dl.

And yes,I consider trading a 8/10 yr starter at 1b in Laroche,Salty,maybe Jo Jo,and Elvis(if rumors are right),to get a year and a half rental in Texiera 2 steps back.We had already a 1st baseman,remember?Thorman and Wilson bombed,and Gonzalez may not be back in ‘08 either.Oh yeah…we still need a left handed reliever too.

By rammerjammer

July 25, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

I don’t lose sleep over trading away prospects. So many of them wash out, get injured, etc. Better to “grow your own” and then use them for trade bait or to shore up your lineup as they develop.

Braves are pitching-rich in the minors and can afford to deal. Tex solves a big problem at 1B now, and plays an even bigger role next year as Andruw takes his act elsewhere.

By DonCoburleone

July 25, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

I hear alot of talk about trading Renteria, and I really don’t think it will happen before July 31. I do think JS is throwing his name out there just to see what kind of players he could get in return in case he wants to trade him in the offseason. It would be an extremely unwise decision for Scheurholz to trade away Renteria’s veteran presence at Shortstop in the middle of a pennant race…

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist,

Actually as I said when this came up, I think the issue is much more complicated. The players bargained collectively with the owners and they didn’t agree to have any steroid testing until recently. If Selig tried to do anything, the union and probably Bonds would just get their lawyers involved and it would make the situation much worse for Selig and the powers that be.

Selig has to depend on the law because the stipulations in the collective bargaining agreement basically protect Bonds from punishment from Selig unless he comes up for random testing and they have found or find something, from what I understand about the way the testing works. Besides that there are substances that can’t be reliably detected by any test. And Bonds has more money at his disposal than even most MLB players so he can afford those undetectable substances.

Selig can’t do anything except either not show up or show up and make a statement like he made. Even if he came out and said “Barry Bonds most likely used steroids so this record isn’t legit” I’m sure a clever lawyer could make Bud’s life hard for even saying such a thing.

By Yars

July 25, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Why is Escobar untouchable? I would have to think Schuerholz is holding onto him only because he plans on trading Renteria after the season. Escobar could be the Braves opening day SS or 2B ‘08. Kelly Johnson will put up solid numbers wherever he plays on the field. Will the Braves keep him at 2B or move him back into LF next season?

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

July 25, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

I think a deal which would send Salty, Thorman, and Davies, Devine, or Smith for Texiera and Wilson would be more than fair. If the Rangers push, take Thorman out and put Matt Esquivel in his place.

By Lucas...

July 25, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Tampabrave:

I just don’t see how the offense can be improved other than firstbase. Two if you count Andruw but he is not/can not go anywhere. But when I look at the bullpen (only the bullpen, not the fifth starter who is still up in the air), I see atleast four spots that have been at best shakey. Not to mention two more that have been simply not getting the job done. The pitching arms need to be revitalized. our offense can pass. Just plain and simple.

I will agree with you in the aspect that the braves will probably make a trade for offense only because that is the best trade that has been proposed(atleast to the public eye)

But it’s pointless to argue with most people on this blog. I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree.

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Renteria’s not going to get traded this season, DonC. Can now say that with a fair degree of certainty….

Savannah Guy, that was funny…

UVABrave, yes, Cormier could return to the rotation, but Braves will see what Jo-Jo does in his next start. Cormier’s not going to replace Carlyle, barring some drastic change in Carlyle’s performance.

Cormier seems, to me, to have worn on Bobby’s patience pretty good. By that I mean, the responses when i ask about Cormier (and that’s been quite a few times) are totally lukewarm, uninterested, “whatever” type of responses. Cormier’s gonna have to prove it this time, before they bring him back. I don’t think two good outings has done it yet, but that last one surely caught their attention.

Oh, and yes, that Austin City Limits lineup is phenomenal. Unfortunately, got this job to do that weekend.

By brian

July 25, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Good call on that Salty-Teix smokescreen. I hope you are right. It is much easier to swallow thinking that Salty will go for someone more than a rent a Drew (plus 8 weeks). Salty hopefully will go for a top young pitcher that can be with us for many years. Bedard is a dream. Snell or gorzellani more likely. Oakland a possibility but who in Oakland would we trade for? Haren?

If we could get a good young starter for Salty great. If not keep our top prospects and try to trade lesser prospects for a lefty reliever and a lesser tier 1B from Teix.

By Bob, Journalist

July 25, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Shaun, You really think offensive consistency and efficiency is the problem? … I’ll admit that if Andruw were not playing, and Chipper or Salty were playing first, the problem would be far less significant … Chipper ain’t gonna … of course, Jeff is inconsistent, giving too many plate appearances away … yes is the answer.

Even though they’re not yet consistent, methinks the best answer is a front line starter and strong lefty reliever.

Is Matt hurt, in the doghouse, or what?

Back to the grind … later

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Check Blanton’s last three starts. I was never high on him anyways. He is a #3 at best. I wouldn’t deal Salty for him.

By jed

July 25, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

—are we seriously considering trading renteria? talk about your catastrophic mistakes. i’d rather see them move chipper to 1b and plug in escobar at 3b. (eventually, the configuration that makes most sense is chipper at 1b, escobar at ss, and rent at 3b.)

—i know gammons broke the renteria trade news the other night but gammons didnt even know that the braves had been sold. he said ‘braves wont know how much they have to spend because the sale of their team is still pending.’

—salty for tex? hmmm. a future longterm all-star in exchange for a 1 and a half year overpriced rental. why am i not as excited as everyone else seems?

—first, for heavensakes, fix the pitching.

By Salty

July 25, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Shaun and Bob, J In my view, the baseball community provided ‘silent acquiescence’ (redundant, I know, but sounds like a song I like) to steroids use. Not until some (predictably) unfortunate events brought Congress into the issue did cleaning the mess up get traction. Same with illegal immigration, etc.

It’s never too late for an asterisk on any feat, even the homerun record. Heck, history is forever revised to suit the teacher and/or the student!

By Jared

July 25, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

The people wouldn’t trade Saltalamacchia for Teixeira strike me as almost certainly the same people who opposed Andy Marte for Renteria.

Schuerholz knows what’s he doing people.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Todd A,

It’s all about risk vs. reward. The Braves knew LaRoche was good but wasn’t a top-notch firstbasemen and he was at an age where he wasn’t likely to get all that much better but he was probably going to get a raise fairly soon.

LaRoche wasn’t a young guy. He wasn’t old either, but he wasn’t likely to get significantly better than what he had shown in his best season with the Braves.

Gonzalez appeared in around 50 games the past three seasons. Again, ain’t hindsight great? How was JS to know he would get injured early in the season?

Craig Wilson has a career OBP of .353 and a career SLG of .474. Batting average ignores walks and HBP and total bases/power.

And Thorman was just as good a hitter as LaRoche in his minor league career, if you compare their minor league numbers. They reasonably thought Thorman could be adequate. Again, minor league hitters who hit at nearly all levels usually aren’t awful in four months of major league ball. Thorman is probably one in 20 in terms of having this long an awful stretch after hitting everywhere in the minors.

It’s difficult, when you take everything into account, to argue that JS acted irrationally with concern to all these players.

By DonCoburleone

July 25, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

DOB new blog please?

I agree that KJ and Escobar need to be starting next season. They would both produce better than average numbers for their respective positions at a discount price. I bet we could throw in a minor league pitcher and get a very good starter in return for Renteria too…

By brent a.

July 25, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Can we read anything at all into Salty not playing the last 2 games?

By Lucas...

July 25, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Todd A:

I think the braves trade was a more of sell high. I mean you say, “That is what scouts are for.They are also supposed to warn you about trading a young playter about to hit his prime for a sore armed reliever” That is what the braves did. They traded a guy that had one good season for a guy that was a DOMINANT closer for a bad team. Yeah he got hurt. That is just the risk you take. Imagine this: Last year people didn’t want LaRoche to play firstbase all the time. He had a good season and now he is a .250 hitter. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy as a player, but I don’t blame JS. The braves probably thought that LaRoche couldn’t repeat those numbers from a year ago, so they decided that a dominate lefty reliever is a better commodity than an average to below average first baseman. Also, No one could have predicted that thorman would have slumped this bad. Dude was a former first round draft pick, big, power hitting first baseman that didn’t swing the bat bad the year before. You can’t blame the braves for taking chances.

Did the chances work out? No. Are we a worse team than we would be if we didn’t make the trade. Not really.

By glove51

July 25, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

DOB

A CD to check out: Walt Wilkins & The Mystiqueros, the CD’s called Diamonds in the Sun. On Palo Duro records, Walt is a songwirter in the Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt tradition, from the Austin area.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Esquivel is suspended indefinitely from ths Mississippi Braves for undisclosed violations of team rules. Not sure what that is all about, but I doubt he’s included in a trade.

By Salty

July 25, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Mr. Shuerholz’s biggest deficiency is his lack of a PHd. Monday Night Quarterbacking or Clairvoyance. If any blogger has such a degree, submit your resume straight away!

A BS or associates degree in ‘I told you so’ and ‘I’ve been saying for a long time now’ is insufficient to qualify for the job. That’s little more than puttin’ a monkey in front of a typewriter!

By DonCoburleone

July 25, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

“Renteria’s not going to get traded this season, DonC. Can now say that with a fair degree of certainty…”

Well thats good. I still say there is a good chance he gets dealt in the offseason though. I really do believe that Escobar AND Kelly Johnson should be playing every day… And I do agree (to an extent) with people on here who say that the Braves offense is good enough to the point where we can get away with ZERO production out of first base. However, adding a Teixera to this lineup would make our offense so ridiculous we’d have to be the favorites to win the division (plus he is awesome defensively).

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Jason (nyc): Do you have any info. on the Braves Thomas Hanson? Besides knowing he’s a 6’6 pitcher for Myrtle Beach who get a lot of K’s I can’t find anything on him. Thanks!

Jim Callis: (2:33 PM ET ) Sounds like you need to buy yourself a Prospect Handbook and to visit baseballamerica.com, Jason! Hanson was a draft-and-follow who signed last spring for $325,000. He has solid stuff across the board (fastball, curveball, changeup) and throws a ton of strikes. He’s quite good.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Nope guys, EVEN IF we do get Tex, BC would bat him 5th behind Andruw!!! You seriously think BC would KEEP Andruw out of the Cleanup spot? You cant keep a straight face while saying that!!!

By brent a.

July 25, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

For the record … we are not a worse team without LaRoche.

We upgraded offensively this season in left field, and second base, and now that Andruw has thawed a bit, there is no real drop-off there.

Right field and catcher were supposed to improve “naturally”, and while McCann has dipped a little (but still dangerous), Francoeur has improved.

Our bullpen was upgraded with the additions of Soriano and Gonzalez.

The LaRoche trade was fine.

Go Braves!

By Salty

July 25, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Lucas Following on your LaRoche thoughts: I’m not checking stats, but Gonzales did contribute to wins before he was injured.

If, and I stress, *if, LaRoche’s season this year would have been the same if not traded, the Braves likely would have more losses to date. Remember, he was absolutely miserable (worse than last year?) through May, if not longer and would have been the same ‘blog fodder’ he was last year.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist,

Is the offense perfect? No. But it’s just as consistent as pretty much any other team. Again, not many teams have scored at least four or five runs in games as many times this season.

Tom,

What pitcher would Oakland give up that is worth anything? All of their good pitchers are cheap and young so why would they give them up unless they are absolutely blown away?

And Oakland has their own Salty in Kurt Suzuki, whom Baseball America rated as the 89th best prospect in baseball before the season.

By TampaBrave

July 25, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

SavannahGuy,

Dude, I almost p** my pants. That was hilarious.

DOB,

A little clemency for Jimbo??

By SaltyWoody

July 25, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

RECAP OF LAST NIGHT’S GAME …for all those interested.

We were sitting on the 3rd base side a few rows up for most of the night, listening to all the Giants fans sing happy birthday to Bonds over and over again. It was nauseating. Plus, we had to deal with an overly large woman shouting at Willie Harris, threatening to “Sit on him and squash his skinny a$$.” Not pretty.

When everyone started to leave around the 8th inning, we walked around and made it down to the front row next to the Braves’ bullpen. Watched, in succession, Wickman, Oscar, Moylan, Ledezma, Yates, and Paronto warm up in succession.

As I saw it, Wickman’s location was off from the start. He was not hitting the catcher’s mitt at all in the pen and this translated straight into the game, although he did give a Giants fan a mean look when she jeered him about his “miraculous, disappearing belt buckle.” Funny stuff.

Oscar looked decent in the pen and seemed pretty intense and seemed to do fairly well in the game, despite grooving a couple to Bonds which he thankfullly didn’t swing at.

Moylan looked downright NASTY in the pen and that translated to the game, as well. The guy’s a badass, even gave the few of us Braves fans that were sitting there a tip of the cap. The guy’s tatoos are nasty, as well. Funny cat.

Ledezma couldn’t find the catcher’s mitt AT ALL in the pen and the same thing happened in the game…and I’m losing my faith in him further and further with every appearance he makes. It looked like Eddie Perez even told him a couple times to settle down and take something off, just to prove he could hit the mitt. Not good…and what does he do in the game? Throw erratically. Go figure.

Yates was downright filthy in the pen. Throwing gas, yelling at Salty to quit watching the game and keep helping him to warm up. Very interesting stuff. Yates seems to be a super intense guy, really into warming himself up properly and throwing as if he were in a game situation. Sitting right next to the guy, I have a new appreciation for his intensity and preparation and for just how hard and accurately he throws. Really fun to watch. He also turned around to a lady that was whining about he didn’t give her a ball and gave her the most vicious look I’ve ever seen. Really hilarious.

Finally, Paronto started throwing right as Yates closed out the game. I didn’t realize it, but Paronot is refrigerator-sized. The guy is monstrous. Absolutely humongous. He makes Wickman look petite.

All in all, it was a tough one to stomach because it would have been great to see Huddy throw a shutout. In my opinion, and as others have intelligently mentioned on here, I don’t think you bring Wickman into the game to close it out. He’s totally a contact pitcher and shouldn’t be brought in with so many guys on and the game on the line.

Still, it was a pretty thrilling game and great to see our stars, Chip and Edgar, getting the hits needed to win the game.

I hope to he!! they don’t trade Edgar because he and Hoss appear to be the only consistent offensive threats we have. Actually, check that…Kelly Johnson impresses me with the bat and i can’t believe he continues to get bumped at 2nd. But, his defense definitely looks a little shaky in person…he always looks slightly uncomfortable and not nearly as smooth as the others.

In any case, it was a fun game to be a part of because we came out on top. But, I’ll tell ya, some parts of our pen (namely Wicky) make my awfully nervous.

Love to hear anyone else’s thoughts that were at the game or have seen some of the relievers up close.

Oh, and if we trade salty for tex? I’m changing my named to WoodWicky

By Ron

July 25, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

If JS does trade for Tex, he better not get out done by Daniels!!! Especially after a few bad trades Daniels had already made!!! JS DO NOT LET DANIELS SCREW YOU OVER!!!! I am tired of some saying that we aint gonna get him BECAUSE others have better pitching prospects!!! Guess what the other teams are not gonna give up pitching prospects, especially their best ones!!! If you dont think we will get him then fine, BUT dont say because the other teams have better pitching prospects, because they are not gonna be traded!!! If any team gets Tex THIS YEAR it is gonna be us!!! Who else is out there? The Angels, dont make me laugh, when is the last time Stoneman traded his prospects and he has alot of them!!! Boston, thats a good one, you really think they will trade BOTH their real Good CF of the future, AND Bucholtz? Thats real funny!!! I think we can get BOTH Tex and CJ Wilson FOR Salty, Dan Smith, Lillibridge, and Devine!!! Thats truly the BEST I would offer!!! Some say trade JoJo, well if we trade him for Tex then we gotta have another deal for a Starter on the table at the same time, either from Texas or another team!!!

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

I think Salty is going to be a fine MLB player, potential all-star, but solid at the least. The problem is there is no where in Atlanta for him to play. McCann is & will remain the catcher. Pena will be a very good back up to him as well. What’s the point of having Salty sit on the bench for years & waste away?

JS will get great value for him. Sure he may go on to tear up the AL/NL, but he would never have the same opportunity to do that here so you move him. It’s obvious to me since Julio was brought in & we have seen very little of Salty that the Braves have no plans of him staying or developing as a first baseman.

There is a glut of middle infielders as well, including quite a few who will be ready next year & in 2009. More good trade bait for the future because you can’t play them all.

This team should be in great shape 2009 & 2010 with the rotation. Lots of good arms coming up. The power pitchers all seem to be in A ball right now, but some should be ready by 09-10.

If Tex is gained in a trade he may only be here through next season anyway because the Braves have a top notch 1B prospect that was just promoted to AA Mississippi. If he’s ready they won’t need to spend the money on Tex past the 2008 season.

If you study the Braves minor league talent you will see things look very good for the future. The heavy hitters to the payroll start coming off next season. If we got Tex & lost Andruw that will save around 3-4 mil depending on what Tex gets in arbitration. Wickman will be gone. Hampton & his 15 million comes off at the end of next season.

By BamaBrave

July 25, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Shaun…what are you?…the guy in the clock tower with the high powered rifle? Relax, dude, and try to refrain from picking off innocent people just walking to class. You have your opinions and that’s great, but unless you to confess to being JS in disguise, you’re just another shmuck out here in the blogosphere with the rest of us. Your opinion and mine together wouldn’t bring two cents.

And if you are JS…uh, I apologize.

By Lee

July 25, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Lee (Dallas, TX): Odds on Braves getting Teixeira?

Jim Callis: (2:57 PM ET ) Ultimately, I think Teixeira stays put. If the Braves are willing to part with Salty, sure they could get him, but I don’t think teams want to deal their stud prospects.

By Bob, Journalist

July 25, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Shaun, I don’t have time to review the Blog until late tonight but saw the one from Salty as I was posting my last one and then found yours.

I don’t really disagree with Salty, just think it would be better to address the issue before the fact … or delay the formal recognition.

I don’t disagree with what you said either but as I’ve said before, there’s more than one way to skin the cat … methinks, in the best interest of the game and for the purposes of maintaining integrity, Bud could petition the courts or the Senate subcommittee to be given authority to override those agreements, or to rule on his current authority to so do.

I wouldn’t think that the office of the Commissioner would enter into any agreement that would take away its ability to take whatever action it deemed necessary to maintain the integrity of the game … however, the fact that I wouldn’t so think doesn’t mean that they haven’t so done.

I can’t decide if Bud’s if guilty of prostitution or yielding to extortion … but regardless, I think it was handled badly.

By Josh

July 25, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Everyone likes Salty. Probably going to be a pretty good hitter. He strikes out less than most (but more than McCann). However, we have a catcher. At first base, Salty is a defensive liability. And given his low batting average at first base (low samples, I know), I wonder if any pressure defensively there is being carried into his ABs. Why not trade him to a team who can use a catcher?

I would like to see a Tex for Salty trade. Salty will be a fine defensive catcher, and as a switch hitter he’ll only have to sit out when he’s tired. But he’s too talented be our backup, and he’s really not a first baseman.

Also, I’d say its a good bet that if Escobar doesn’t get traded, Lillibridge or Andrus will.

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

SaltyWoody, good stuff. Great observations from the seats next to the bullpen (and this and Wrigley are the best places for getting close to the pens, which are right there, separated only by a short wall from the fans. Pitchers hate it, but fans love it (I know I would).

You’re right _ Yates is intense. Moylan’s a great dude, also intense when game starts. And Paronto is much larger than Wickman. Paronto’s built like a lineman.

By LT

July 25, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Brent A. I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’m betting Salty’s all but gone and the Braves are ensuring he doesn’t get hurt. At least, that’s what I want to believe rather than BC trying to breathe new life into Julio. If Julio’s the regular first basemen the rest of the season, it’s really gonna limit the teams chances of making the post season.

A Texeria trade I think would give the Braves the best opportunity to win this year. I believe his bat would provide more consistency to the line up. The downside to Tex is the fact that the Braves probably lose out in free agency.

Personally,I would much rather see one of the young pitchers from Pitt or Oakland.

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

new blog will be up within the hour, for DonC, who sure asks a lot for the quarter he doesn’t have to spend for a paper….

this isn’t easy out here, folks. chasing down rumors, doing scouting boxes, getting back to the hotel at 1 a.m., recapping night before for all the papers that didn’t get it (which was ALL the papers).

I know most of you realize that. That’s for DonC.

By Ron

July 25, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Shaun I usually dont talk bad about JS trades, but the LaRoche Trade was TWO HUGE steps back!!! Who in their RIGHT mind did not see a big injury like Tommy John Surgery happening some time in the next 3 years for Gonzalez? I mean come one, he only missed the WHOLE month of September last year with a arm injury!!! Hard to figure out!!! Who cares what the doctors say, you have to make a common sense decision!!!

By Salty

July 25, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Bob, J Selig’s problem is compounded by the polarizing effect Bonds has. He can not satisfy everyone…and I’m not sure if even the majority. You’re right, a decision before would be best…it could have been made a couple of years ago…I don’t think anything significant has been learned since then.

By Chop Chop

July 25, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

If you’re gonna give up a ton to get Mark Teixeira, C.J. Wilson isn’t going to soften the blow of losing three or four top prospects. Why not go for the whole ball of wax and get Eric Gagne instead? Sure, his arm would probably fall off a week after he shows up, but most of us would believe the Braves were dead serious about postseason play if they acquired those two.

For those of you who say, “We need a lefty!”…

Left-handed batters are hitting .155 with an OPS of .382 against Eric Gagne. They are slugging .172 against him. Yowza.

By Scoff

July 25, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

WoodWicky- Being a pitcher for most of my life, reading your stuff that you wrote on watching them in the bullpen was very interesting. Thanks man.

By wiki

July 25, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

DOB Heading to Boston this weekend to check out The Police at Fenway. The combination of wanting to see one of my favorite bands from the high school days that I thought I’d never seen and the venue they are playing was too much of a draw for me to resist. My “seats” are in right field. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a concert there or know someone that has, but do you know if they are actual seats per se or is it more like ampitheater lawn seating? Anyone that knows, please help.

By Salty

July 25, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Ron

Who cares what the doctors say, you have to make a common sense decision!!!

Seems contradictory…at least risky!

This blog would have been blowing up over LaRoche’s performance before and after Gonzales went down.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist,

I don’t think Bud would run to the government. The government would just tell him to deal with it himself. They would tell him they aren’t going to do anything without significant evidence against someone; it’s not their jurisdiction.

Bud’s hands are tied at this point. He should have had testing in place much earlier but who knew? No one was even talking a little bit about steroids or PEDs until the late 1990s. By that point it was too late. I think he did something as quick as he could, within reason.

With concern to Bonds, he’s backed into a corner. He just has to hope Bonds gets out of the game soon.

By Lee

July 25, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

WoodWicky

I too would like to say thanks for that story. Makes me want to go to the ball park right now.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Ron,

LaRoche, they thought reasonably, was expendable; and he hasn’t exactly been an All-Star caliber firstbaseman this year. Again, Thorman hit at every level and those type guys don’t turn out awful for several months very often. The Braves took a chance on a lights-out lefty with possible injury risks and also got one of the best infield prospects in baseball in the deal. Go sit with the Wilson Betemit fan club/Flat Earth Society we have here in Atlanta.

By knowitall

July 25, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Bob Journalist,

Not trying to jump in the middle of you and Shaun’s conversation but what about all of the other people in baseball that have used steriods. I mean I hate that Bonds is breaking the record just as much as the next person but you can’t just take action against him based on speculation when speculation abounds for countless others as well. The true error in all of this is not having any kind of testing in the first place. I think the player’s union and the commissioner are truely the blame for the paradox that is the homerun chase. It would be pretty hypocritcal of Selig to take some kind of action against Bonds when he fostered an environment for this to happen.

By Scoff

July 25, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

MLB.com reports Braves as new frontrunners in Teixeira Trade

By Saltywoody

July 25, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Ladies and Gents Thanks for the thank yous on the game update.

If you can believe it, the last two nights’ game are the first times I have EVER seen the Braves play in a regular season game, despite having been an avid fan for the majority of my 26 years. Can’t believe it, but it’s true. Only ever saw them in spring training before this…even though I follow things on a daily, sometimes hourly basis.

I’ll tell ya…having played baseball for a long time myself, it is terribly interesting to watch these guys from so close. Both nights I was able to get down to the first row by the 8th inning and it’s a treat to be that close. You see so many more nuances of the game.

I feel pretty lucky to have finally gotten to see our Bravos at such a close proximity and certainly have a newfound respect for the talent they have…even Woodward. I mean, it’s pretty ballsy to peg a guy the size of Barry Bonds in the back.

Hope I’ll have more insight from tonight’s game.

Best to you all.

P.S. DOB No show for you last night, huh? I was feeling for you in the 9th when Feliz hit that liner. My thought was not “son of a (@#*(@,” it was actually “I bet DOB’s fuming right now.” Things went SO according to plan before that, huh? :)

By Paladin

July 25, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Tampa Brave don’t you feel sort of like Don Quixote…duck, here comes another of those blades…tilting with windmills? The antidote Sir Dude, is to step back and quit XXXXXXX with them before you get one of those blades lodged in your ole wazoo. Say hello to Sancho Panza for me. :-)

By JasonInMaine

July 25, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Latest Rosenthal update on Tex:

“Mark Teixeira update: One rival general manager believes the Dodgers and Braves are the front-runners; Don Welke and A.J. Preller, two of the top assistants to Rangers general manager Jon Daniels, previously worked in the Dodgers’ organization, and know the team’s farm system well.

The Dodgers’ interest is somewhat curious; rookie first baseman James Loney is batting .362 and has hit eight home runs in his first 229 at-bats. Teixeira, though, would offer more power short-term.

The Braves are believed to be offering the Rangers a multi-player package that includes Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who likely would catch for Texas, though he also can play first base. The Rangers also could send a reliever to the Braves along with Teixeira, possibly left-hander Ron Mahay.

The Yankees remain intrigued by Teixeira, but not at the current price. If the Yankees are in, the Red Sox are in — and the addition of Teixeira would make sense for the Sox given designated hitter David Ortiz’s lingering knee trouble and first baseman Kevin Youkilis’ July slump. Both AL East teams, however, are believed to be on the periphery.

The Angels are in a difficult position — they likely would need to pay a higher price for Teixeira because they play in the same division as the Rangers, and their pitching depth has been compromised due to the demotion of right-hander Ervin Santana and injury to righty Bartolo Colon.”

Regards,

Jason

By DonCoburleone

July 25, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Jeez, sorry DOB, I just can’t do anything on my computer when I post on this blog. It completely freezes everything up for like 10 minutes. And I asked nicely, not like I demanded a new blog or something… I appreciate your dedication to this blog just as much as everyone else…

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Just talked to someone who told me six teams still involved in Teixeira pursuit, including Yankees.

Also told Rangers really, really want to keep Wilson.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

For now, however, Atlanta has apparently moved past Boston as the front-runners for Teixeira’s services.

As of early Wednesday afternoon, the two sides still had not reached agreement on a deal that would send Teixeira to the Braves for switch-hitting catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia and prospects. The identity of the other players involved is believed to be one of the holdups in completing this deal. According to sources, Braves pitching prospect Jo-Jo Reyes and 18-year-old shortstop Elvis Andrus are among those who have been discussed.

Teixeira, who is batting .300 with 13 homers and 48 RBIs, is making $9 million this year and is eligible for arbitration this winter. He would give Atlanta another middle-of-the-order bat that could significantly enhance its playoff chances this season. Teixeira would also fill the void at first base, provide the left-handed power upgrade the lineup needs and soften the impact the Braves would face if slugger Andruw Jones leaves via free agency after the season.

The Rangers would get at least three outstanding young prospects to build around, with Saltalamacchia, who can also play first base, the best of the bunch.

After Atlanta and Boston, the Los Angeles Dodgers and Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim have also shown interest in Teixiera.

By Shaun

July 25, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

knowitall,

In fairness to Bud and the media, etc., no one was really talking about steroids and PEDs until the late 1990s. Maybe he and others knew something before, but it’s easy to turn a blind eye when nothing seems to be wrong.

Seems like it takes a long time to fight the players union. Imagine if he had tried to do something as soon as the first stories came out about steroid use. The union would have been all over this stopping anything that resembled steroid testing at that point.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

DOB

They can’t be serious right? Salty, Jo Jo, and Elvis for Tex? That is a joke. Who is our 5th starter? I thought the goal in Atlanta was to improve the pitching? Poor job by JS if that trade goes down like that.

By JasonInMaine

July 25, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Folks, the way that MLB and Rosenthal are reporting it; they wouldn’t be surprised if today is Tex’s last game in a Texas uniform! Of course, as DOB mentioned; it could happen in the next minute or one minute before the deadline.

I think it is going to get done in the next 24 hours…and Tex and a reliever are coming to the ATL!

Regards,

Jason

By TheSouthernJackAss_journeymanjournalist

July 25, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Taking into consideration the fact that Barry Bonds has never been judicially convicted, in a court of law, of using illegal, performance enhancing substances…nor does it appear that Bud Selig and MLB has ‘solid proof’ that Bonds broke their rules concerning the use of performance enhancing substances…for if such ‘solid proof’ is in existence, Selig should have already suspended, or banned Bonds from participating in any MLB capacity…

Having said that, in the absence of any judicial conviction…and in the absence of any ‘solid proof’ by Bud Selig and MLB as to Bond’s alleged use of performance enhancing drugs…then Selig should be following the same usual protocol as to Barry Bond’s pursuit of, and possible overtaking of Hank Aaron’s home run record, as they have in the past with other players who have broken various, official MLB records…so under the preceding circumstances, if Bonds does match or transcend Hank Aaron’s record, then Bonds has every right to have his achievements officially recognized in MLB’s record books…without an asterisk…however, if at a later time, Bonds is judicially convicted of using illegal, performance enhancing drugs, and if Bud Selig then produces ‘solid proof’ that Bonds broke MLB’s rules against the use of performance enhancing substances…then all of Bond’s stats and milestones should be totally removed from the record books, as if he never existed, all previous, legitimate records should be again officially recognized, and he should be banned for life from MLB in every capacity…

The mere fact that Barry Bonds isn’t the most approachable, likable or pleasant person in baseball, especially as far as many sports media people are concerned…and that it has been reported by these same people that Bonds is not a man who exemplifies good ethical and moral values…and that he has ‘allegedly’ used illegal, performance enhancing substances…none of these factors have any bearing whatsoever as to whether or not Barry Bonds is deserving of having his career numbers officially recognized by MLB…none…

What you or I think of Barry Bonds counts only as an opinion…

By JasonInMaine

July 25, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

While Mahay is more expensive than Wilson, he has pretty good numbers as well…not as good as Wilson’s, but pretty good. His overall ERA (overrated when talking about relievers) is 2.15 and lefties are hitting him at a .217 clip as opposed to the .099 Wilson has limited them to.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Ron Mahay is 36 years old and is not that good. C.J Wilson has to come over in this deal if we are giving up Salty, Jo Jo and Elvis.

By JasonInMaine

July 25, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Of course, I posted that before DOB, someone with actual information, said that 6 teams were still in on Tex ): Of course, if we are giving up Salty, Elvis, and Jo Jo, I am not sure we should do the deal anyway. Man, that’s a TON of talent to give up. I just can’t see it happening like that.

Regards,

Jason

By AthensBrave

July 25, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

DonCub,

Sounds like you need a new, faster computer

By Ron

July 25, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Shaun I dont think LaRoche would be struggling this bad if he was here!!! He was SUPPOSE TO BE THE MAN for the Pirates, he would not be the MAN here!!! Well if you did not see that, that was a bad trade when it was announced then that is just crazy!!! I hated that deal when it happened, BECAUSE we finally found a CHEAP first baseman!!! Oh yeah LaRoche was an awesome Postseason hitter also!!!! Much more than I can say for alot of players that wore this uniform in the past!!! But I guess your one of the ones that think that a GOOD first baseman is a dime a dozen!!! Well if that was the case we would never have trouble finding a Good First baseman!!! But that has just about always been our weak area!!!

By Ron

July 25, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Efrim Well JS has made 2 poor trades already with trading LaRoche, and then trading McBride!!! At least McBride could get out Lefties and he could be sent back down!!! What can Ledezma do!!! Would not be surprised if JS does make ANOTHER Stupid trade in less than a Year!!! And now the Rangers are saying they Really Really like CJ Wilson!!! Well We Really Really Really like Salty!!! Deal with it Daniels!!! CJ Wilson HAS to come over in that deal!!! If he does not and JS trades good prospects JUST for Tex then JS is pretty much finished as a GM!!! That would be 3 Bad trades in less than a Year!!! He has not made 3 bad trades in all of his years before this year!!!

By knowitall

July 25, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

I’m not trying to crucify Selig, just pointing out that Bonds isn’t soley the blame for the current situation. Everybody wants to demean Bonds. I don’t like the guy much either but there is plenty of blame to go around.

Plus internally, I’m sure some of the “higher ups” knew what was going on long before the public outcry started. I mean McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds were all great homerun hitters before 1998 but the jumps in their numbers were incredible. The media at the time was focusing on the “juiced ball” theory but if baseball offical knew that the balls weren’t juiced, what else could have caused such super-human numbers to be put up?

By KC

July 25, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Efrim: “Ron Mahay is 36 years old and is not that good”

The numbers don’t agree with you. I’m not saying Mahay is a bonafide stud… but I think he could solve our need for another lefty. And given the fact that he is 36, and not exactly a marque name, he will be more affordable (in terms of talent we’d have to give up) than a guy like Wilson.

Salty and someone like Davies or Devine… for Tex and Mahay, would be be fine with me.

If that deal does happen… I hope JS isn’t done. I’d like to see another veteran reliever with some late-inning experience.

By fastasballs

July 25, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

I doubt JS would give up Salty, Jo Jo, & Andrus. Maybe Salty & one of the other two & a lesser prospect. I’ve seen Andrus play & he’s the real deal. A guy that could be the SS for 10-15 years.

By Lew

July 25, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave-Dude, what in the hell does St.Pete have to do with anything we’ve been discussing? Besides, whether or not you want to believe it, it’s a great city, a good place to live and is a lot cleaner with less crime than Tampa. You do know what Howard Stern called Tampa residents on his one and only broadcast in Tampa, don’t you? Now baseball-You are rapidly achieving brick wall status and if you had really listened to what 8 or 10 of us have been trying to tell you, rather than claiming we’re alien clones or something, you would realize that yes, we would all like to have the Braves knock in every runner on base. It would be glorious, I’m sure (as well as unprecedented in the history of baseball). However, the TRUTH of the situation is that even the best players in the game will fail 60% or more in those situations. That’s the way it is. The way the game is played today, the closer and the setup pitchers are there for one reason only (at least in the situations we’re talking about here)-to be a fresh arm (and yes, I realize how much they’ve worked) that closes down the other team when they are handed a lead in late innings. That is their job. Period. That’s it. Nothing else. In the past week, the bullpen has failed to do this 5 times. THEY WERE HANDED A LEAD 5 TIMES AND FAILED TO HOLD THE LEAD. Is that clear enough for you? The fact that we could have, or should have scored more runs with timely hits does absolutely nothing to change this. They had a lead. Who cares if it was a 2-1, 1-0 or a 16-15 run lead? It doesn’t matter. The bullpen did not do what they are paid to do. I would bet if you asked THEM, they would tell you the same thing-not complain that McCann shouldn’t have struck out with the bases loaded or that they would have done their job better with more run support.

By Efrim

July 25, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

KC

They don’t want Devine or Davies. They want Andrus and Reyes. Devine and Davies have no value right now. I haven’t heard any reports of those two prospects. Why does everyone keep bringing up Devine? Cox never wants to pitch him in any games, why should a GM want him included in a trade?

By rammerjammer

July 25, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Ron,

McBride is toting around a 5.00 ERA with Detroit, and lefties are hitting .278 against him.

He’d worn out his welcome in Atlanta and they dumped him. Maybe Ledezma helps, maybe not. Doesn’t really matter. The idea was to dump McBride.

And what’s up with the three exclamation points after each sentence!!! Always three!!!

Interesting!!!

By JasonInMaine

July 25, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Buster Olney just updated his article about 44 minutes ago…he too is saying that his sources confirm that the Braves are the “favorite” to land Tex…

By KC

July 25, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Ron: JS had no way of knowing that Mike Gonzalez would be lost for the season. He was thoroughly evaluated (more than once) before the trade, and was given a clean bill of health.

If we had a healthy Mike Gonzalez, we’d be leading the NL East right now. Each of the Braves last 4 losses have been the result of bullpen failure. One of those losses the result of a key hit by Griffey. In each case, we probably wouldn’t have lost the game with a healthy Gonzo.

It was a smart trade to bolster the pitching staff. He doesn’t have a crystal ball up his a$$. He can’t predict what happened with Gonzo.

As for McBride… no, he wasn’t getting lefties out. Not this year he wasn’t. Leading up the trade, he wouldn’t have been able to get Bud Selig out. It was a classic change-of-scenery… with two underachieving players changing teams to give each a fresh start

By David O'Brien

July 25, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG IS UP

By JasonInMaine

July 25, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Wow, these lineups would be pretty darn potent, and if we can snag Wilson…

Willie/Escobar

Renteria

Chipper

Andruw

Tex

McCann

Frenchy

KJ/Diaz

Regards,

Jason

By Double Deuce

July 25, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Interesting comment earlier in the blog about missing Leo and the way he handled the bullpen. I think Leo made the call as to who he wanted, Bobby makes those calls now. If I had to question Bobby at all it would be on how he uses his pen, and how often he’ll go to one guy three or four days in a row. They poll the bullpen and ask who’s available that day, and I can’t imagine anyone saying no to Bobby Cox. I would like to think the coaches know who needs a rest, and they would be the one dictating who’s up and who’s not.(Grady Little and Pedro?)Also, Ledesma rarely completes an inning and Paronto is not used at all unless it’s a blowout so that’s quite a load on Moylan, Soriano, Yates and Wickman. Under the circumstances, I think the pen has been as good as we could hope for. Wicky and Moylan seem to be able to handle more of a work load than Soriano and Yates, probably because they pitch to contact while the other two are more power pitchers.

The mere mention of trading Renteria this season is ridiculous. Having Chipper behind him means he’s going to get pitches to hit, and he does it as well as any hitter in the league. With him and Chipper back to back there are plenty of opportunities to score runs. If Andruw was having his usual year this would be the most potent lineup in the NL.

By scott

July 26, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

What’s with all the starts for Julio? Get Salty and McCann in the lineup at the same time.