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By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Thank you!

By 2cool

July 20, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

I’m back and first. Anybody miss me?

By Kentavo

July 20, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

DOB, don’t jinx Diaz!

By gant #5

July 20, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Salty’s numbers may be a bit down, but many of his outs have been hit hard… just right at guys.

By DonCoburleone

July 20, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Julioooooooooo!!!

By Jared

July 20, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

I feel sorry for Diaz. Despite always hitting for a huge average, the Devil Rays dumped him and the Royals traded him to the Braves for nothing. And despite hitting .327 in 2006, the Braves tried to sell him to a Japanese team this past offseason. What the hell does he have to do? He hits just as well against right-handed pitchers as left-handed ones, why can’t he play everyday? Earth to Bobby Cox, Langerhans sucked and Harris declining fast. Give Diaz a chance already!

Despite 11 pinch hits in 2007, right at the top in the NL, he’ll now probably lose chances to pinch in close games with .200 hitting Franco here and Cox’s (face it, Bobby plays favorites) love for Franco. Maybe one day you’ll be on a team that appreciates you Matt Diaz.

By KC

July 20, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

There’s no doubt in my mind that Diaz, if he were playing every day, would produce a .300-plus average, 10-15 homers, and 65-90 RBI (depending on where he hit in the lineup).

By David-ATL14

July 20, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Great call on the song DOB.

By erik

July 20, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

I’m really glad that they didnt’ sell Diaz to Japan last year. What a disaster that would have been.

I’ve always liked him quite a bit. I don’t understand why Bobby and JS don’t appreciate him more. The guy can hit, flat out. Let him play full time.

By Leel

July 20, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Not worried about Salty at all. Everyone forgets how Johnson struggled also. You do not have to be a rookie to struggle at the plate. Ask Andruw Jones

By ssiscribe

July 20, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

For any of you coastal denizens making the trip to the A tonight to see the pride of St. Simons Island — Adam Wainwright — pitch for the Cards, bring your rain gear. It’s pouring on the southern rim of the capital city as we approach four hours and change until first pitch, with lots of lightning and thunder.

Me personally, I really want the weather to clear up. I wanna see Adam pitch, but I also have one of the best seats I’ve ever had for a major league baseball game. I want to see batting practice, not three hours of rain bouncing off the tarp.

Good win last night, certainly. Needed to bounce back, indeed. And good points throughout on Diaz. Dude is underrated, one of those key unsung heroes every contender needs.

The Scribe abides. See you at Turner Field (as the thunder rolls outside the window of home/work).

—30—

By Thrillhouse44

July 20, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Diaz was definitely a steal! Any chance we’ll see Francoeur in CF next year, Diaz in left, KJ in right, and Yunel at 2B? (Wow, that’s my first semi-lineup proposal.) Probably not a good one, but it’s Friday and my brain hurts.

Salty will make the necessary adjustments.

By DonCoburleone

July 20, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

We all love Diaz, there is no doubt he’s a great hitter and VERY under-rated. But is he underrated by other GM’s and managers DOB? Have you talked with any opposing scouts or GM’s about Diaz, and if so, what do they say about him? If we wanted to trade him, do you think we could get fair value in return? (meaning a young pitcher with big upside.)

By jbutler

July 20, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Some Boss to bring in the weekend!!! Major song kudos..

By rambothe4th

July 20, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

DOB- Awesome blog! I read it everyday.

What are you thoughts on sending Davies back to AAA ball? I saw the poll today and seems like more people would’ve said keep him in the majors (esp. after your blog on Wednesday). I was just wondering if you thought it was a good move or not. Our pitching staff needs an extra (reliable) boost.

Also, what do you think we need more: a big bat or a big arm?

By Thrillhouse44

July 20, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Gant#5 - love the props to my all-time favorite Brave.

-30-30- (Props to Gant and SSIScribe right there.)

By Greg in TN

July 20, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Great blog to end the working week, DOB. I think Salty is going through what Francoeur went through at times last year. Pitchers will very quickly compile ‘the book’ on a new hitter and if said hitter has a hard time making an adjustment, a slump is sure to follow any initial success. Salty will make the adjustments he needs to make and will recover.

The fact that Escobar has been hitting merrily along speaks to his ability to make adjustments to his approach.

Speaking about adjustments, can’t be any more pleased with how Francouer has carried himself at the plate this year. I’ll take a .291 BA at this point in the season and I also think his power will improve over time.

By Chop Chop

July 20, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

One problem for Diaz is that he’ll turn 30 in March 2008. Older players who linger in the minors for years don’t often get the opportunity to start in the bigs because “there must be a reason why it took ‘em so long to get up here and stick”. It’s just a natural bias for most ballclubs, I’d guess.

Of course, your eyes (and mine) can tell you that Diaz’s hitting skills are tremendous, but he just doesn’t do anything else that well. Teams that seem a lot more interested in “toolsy” players (the Royals and Devil Rays, especially…but the Braves also fit that moniker) often have a hard time accepting a guy with average athletic ability playing out in the field on a regular basis. Of course, it also happens that a lot of those “toolsy” players that are drafted or signed end up being abject tools. Funny how that works, ain’t it?

By Josh C

July 20, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

DOB

Agreed on Escobar. Why everyone on here values Salty higher than Escobar is beyond me. Just on sheer talent I think I’d take Escobar over KJ right now.

With regard to Diaz, do you believe he’s underrated by the media only or do you see him being undervalued in the trade market as well?

By Baron

July 20, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Have to laugh, my last post on the old blog (had to do some research):

Chop Chop, I must agree with you on why Diaz gets the short end, but I think it’s conventional wisdom that’s somewhat less than wise. Here’s why:

1. Diaz may look slow, but he actually gets around the bases pretty damn fast. I’d like to see his 40 time, might surprise you.

2. His power numbers are good. His SLG is actually second on the team.

3. His walk numbers MAY be low because he pinch hits so much. Usually those guys are more concerned with putting wood on the ball than the free pass.

4. He’s just now gotten to 673 plate appearances for his career- about average for an everyday player over one season. Keep in mind that includes 2003-05, when he was “so bad” that the D-Rays and Royals dumped him. Here’s his line over that 673: 200 Hits, 31 2B, 7 3B, 14 HR, 69 R, 67 RBI, .323 BA, .358 OB, .463 SLG. Remind anyone of Wade Boggs?

Side note, from old blog, Regenerator, we had a pretty good non-platoon firstbaseman last couple years named Adam LaRoche.

By Jared

July 20, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

How about:

Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Matt Harrison and Brent Lillibridge for Tom Gorzelanny and Adam LaRoche.

By Matt Diaz

July 20, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

I posted here last night during the game and little did I know DOB was going to devote today’s blog to me. I’m honored!

As I stated last night, I’m hitting over .330 in the last 500 at bats. Hey guys, that’s a season! I also stated numbers on HR’s and rbi in those 500 AB’s that DOB posted above.

I’m not lobbying for the full time job in left just yet, but I don’t understand how I can put up the numbers I have over the long haul like I have and still some morons on this blog say I’m “not capable of being an every day player.” I’m even more important to this team now that Willie has started coming back to earth.

Thats’ alright though, you unbelievers keep talking about how I’m not ready for prime time and I’ll just keep rakin’!

By Salty

July 20, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

TBFKB

Responded to you on the other blog…if you have the patience to wait for it to load. Also, Arkansas Hillbilly wrote you a very fine post as well!

CL Posted to you as well, Ma’am!

By Josh C

July 20, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Damn DonC guess great minds think alike,eh? =)

By Jared

July 20, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

I’d take Kelly Johnson over Yunel Escobar. Why? Oh little things like OBP, power, defense, upside….those kind of things.

By Shaun

July 20, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Josh C,

Salty’s numbers are better in the majors and minors, he’s a switch-hitting catcher and the scouts and insiders like Salty more…I think that about sums up why everyone regards Salty higher. Of course no one is trying to dump on Escobar, either.

By Solution?

July 20, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

CAN DIAZ PLAY 1st???????/

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Billy … Rules of the game …

Almost everything can be thought of as being a game, usually a game within a game. All games have objectives … and in every case, the ultimate objective is the same … to win.

In addition to having objectives, every game must have something else … rules. Rules define how the game is to be played. Much of the time, those who don’t want to play by all of the rules shouldn’t be allowed to play

Indeed, the cardinal rule for most games is that in order to be eligible to play the game, you must agree to play by, and be subject to, the other rules of the game.

A player can make up their own rules or just decide which of the rules they want to follow … but, in long standing, well established games of importance, there’s good reason for most of the rules, and good reason for their being following … and good reasons why the game’s players shouldn’t be the ones deciding the changes made to the rules of the game.

Some rules are unfair and should be changed … a lot of baseball players agree and think that there should be a rule outlawing the “curve ball”.

If we accomplish one of the game’s objectives …but, in so doing, violate one of its rules, then we haven’t really accomplished the objective.

Either we are playing a different game that doesn’t have that rule … or credit is denied … or undeserved credit is given. The average person who plays 18 holes at the golf course says he’s playing golf … but, what he’s playing is something else.

Rules define the game. If “being guilty” is the game, then the objective is accomplished when the act is committed but it’s only when the evidence, to the satisfaction of those adjudicating the game, indicates that credit should be given … that one awarded the trophy.

There’s definitely a difference between winning the game and receiving credit for having so done.

If you find yourself in a game where you feel the rules are unfair, you can seek to change the rules, find a different game, start a new one with different rules or agree to abide with the rules of the existing one.

However, while someone is in the game they’re subject to its rules and they can’t win if they violate the rules … they can only be given or denied credit for having so done.

Most of us participating in this Blog game are either citizens of the United States or living within the borders of one of its political subdivisions and subject to its laws. Those who so qualify are players in the USA game and are required to play by its rules.

Grinch is right, there are games within games and many people support adhering to the rules of one game only so long as it is convenient and doesn’t materially interfere with the winning of their own, more important games.

In most games, it’s impossible to anticipate every situation and if the spirit of the game is reasonably well defined, then the game normally has another rule … accomplishing an objective and continued participation eligibility is predicated upon playing within the spirit of the game … in addition to adhering to the technical or documented rules of the game.

In the military game, one of the breaking the spirit of the game rules is “conduct unbecoming” and in many sports, it’s “not in the game’s best interests”.

In general, those who attempt to violate the rules of one game of honor in order to gain credit for its winning should be denied the privilege of playing in any other honorable games.

In games where there are no general spirit of the game “rules” such as is the case with many Blogs, it is up to those actively involved to encourage the sponsoring or governing body to formally adopt such a rule or rules.

In the absence of such rules, methinks it is incumbent on the game’s players to define its own “spirit” and to ostracize those whom they feel violate the spirit of the game.

I know that doesn’t answer your questions and it’s just my opinion perhaps it’s worth considering that while there’s a difference between how we think a game should be played … and how it is … it’s usually a game within a game … and a team game at that. How one chooses to play defines the player, not the game.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

TBFKB ”I don’t mind people hunting, its not for me but it seems people have a different perspective on the difference of killing a dog vs a deer in the name of sport. At least the dog gets to fight for his life rather than be ambushed by a hunter.”

With all due respect, the premise of your 1:58 post is so totally off-base that it seems at first too ignorant and unnecessary to rebut, but I am compelled to do just that. Your comments need a response, lest you get the last word on the subject here or misdirect non-hunters or naive folks (not many on this blog) by repeating such nonsense in the future. I’ll assume that you have never been hunting and are simply ignorant to the sport. To compare illegal and immoral dog fighting with the legitimate (and legal) sport of hunting is absurd.

First, you are judging all hunters by what you hear at your office. Even if you do completely understand the mindset of your hunting workmates, and if they are not just pulling your leg, it is doubtful that they hunt primarily for the thrill of the kill. At least I hope not. If they do only care about the kill, then they are doing the sport, their intended prey and themselves a disservice. I’ve met a few of those hunters over the years, but they are in the minority. Those are the “dregs” of the sport. Unless your office is in Tiger Ridge, you might want to get into a little deeper discussion with the good ol’ boys.

Hunting is a traditional, civilized and time-honored sport. If done properly it is highly enjoyable, relaxing, healthy and humane. By hunting, I consider it a true sport if you are a “still or stalk” hunter. Deer hunting with dogs is not sport in my opinion. Hunting with dogs is “for the birds”. That said, the “thrill of the hunt” takes into consideration all aspects of the sport: camaraderie with hunting mates, individual hunt strategy, enjoyment of the outdoors, a reverence of nature, solitude and, yes…the satisfaction of success in harvesting intended game.

For myself, the “kill” is the least enjoyable part of the whole experience. “Ambush” you say? Well, uh…yes, I guess you could say that. I’ve yet to see many deer let you walk up to them and stay put so you could shoot them. I wouldn’t use the word ambush. Sounds a bit like Cowboys and Indians (or war) stuff.

Whether hunting or fishing - harvesting deer, boar, fish or bird, the excellent all-natural food is a very nice fringe benefit as well. You are right about one thing: no sport hunter I know does it to save money on food. Once you factor in hunting license(s), rifles, ammo, equipment, clothing, accessories, travel, etcetera…your meal costs more than if you shopped at Kroger. Add in a pickup truck and airline travel out west for big game a few times a year and you’ve paid dearly for those meals. Hunting ain’t for groceries.

Some of the best hunts I’ve ever been on were hunts where nothing was killed. Either I didn’t see my intended prey (big buck) or didn’t see anything…but a great time regardless. That’s why they call it “hunting” and not “killing”…or “fishing” and not “catching”. Further, hunters and fishermen are the primary force behind game management, conservation and funding. As a whole, they are lovers of nature and of animals, even their prey.

Hunters also, for the most part, abide by local, state and federal laws for bag limits. This is necessary because, when populations get out of control in certain areas, entire herds of deer can be decimated by sickness and starvation. Sport hunters play a necessary role in the eco-system as predators, since most parts of the country no longer have the natural balance. That’s not a selfish rationalization for hunting…it is just the truth.

Hey, if you don’t think you can love and respect something if you hunt it or kill it, think about that next time you go into your local market for a steak, a hamburger (like Wicky) or a chicken dinner. Someone killed it for you. So, it’s really a matter of whether or not you want someone to kill and dress your food for you (and add antibiotics, steroids and other nasty ingredients) or if you can do it yourself. If you are a vegetarian, then you can simply scratch this paragraph.

So, now that your perspective has changed on hunting, do yourself a favor and get out in the woods with a respectable hunter as your guide. You don’t even have to take a gun…take your camera. You’ll discover a whole new world out there. You’ll thank me for turning you onto a world outside of the home, the office, the car or the blog.

By Matt Diaz

July 20, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

I have also turned into a decent outfielder this year. I catch everything hit to me and have made a few really good defensive plays. I’m not Andruw Jones, but I won’t lose the game for you with my D either.

I also have 4 assists this year. Not bad for a guy who plays part time!

As for why did I suddenly start hitting the last couple of years? Hell I was blind!!!! I didn’t know until I got contacts! Now that I can see, I can hit and play D!

By P-Town Brave

July 20, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately, no one wants to say this, but Jeff has become a punch-and-judy hitter…he tries too much at times to go to right, and yes he has become a better singles and doubles hitter, but when Druw leaves, we need more power…and as of now, he wouldn’t be able to give it to us…

If he’s auditioning to be a 6,7 or even a 2 hitter, he’s doing a good job, but if he wants to be in the middle of the lineup, then he’s gotta send out some balls to the fans in the seats.

By Jared

July 20, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

The “poor Diaz” saga continues. David O’Brien puts up a nice blog about him and all some dimwits can do is talk about trading him. Matt Diaz is so unappreciated and underrated, it’s beyond belief.

By jk

July 20, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Salty may be struggling recently but he is still light years past Thorman, who can seem to hit or lay off of a high fastball.

By jk

July 20, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Salty may be struggling recently but he is still light years past Thorman, who can seem to hit or lay off of a high fastball.

By Lee

July 20, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Diaz’s situation as a part time role player and pinch hitter is perfect with the Braves. Give Cox some credit; he knows what he is doing with him. If I remember correctly earlier in the season Diaz went through a minor slump when he play regularly for a short spell. In other words if it “ain’t broke don’t fix it”.

By bobby cox

July 20, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Yo Diaz go take some grounders out at first. Lets see what you got kid!

Wheres my Crunk Juice?

By comic relief

July 20, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

I bet they don’t have a FATHEAD of Diaz either.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Arkansas Hillbilly 3:23 post: Well said hunter/denizen. I didn’t see yours response to TBFKB before I posted, but I suppose we’ve got it covered. Hey man, you gotta watch that Old Spice though. That must have been an after-work hunt?

Carolina Lady 2:13 post: Very nice. Fittingly funny . IIHIHOIIJY?

By Thrillhouse44

July 20, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Jared, I think every single member of the Braves team has been suggested in a trade by this blog - those that are underappreciated and overappreciated.

I’m surprised no one’s suggested trading DOB for Stephen A. Smith.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

July 20, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

TBFKB, I posted this before, but it got sucked into the depths of blog purgatory (aka the end of the last blog):

I’m late on the conversation, but I caught your 1:58 post. I can’t seem to find the post (from Ron) you are replying to and the link you posted is denied where I’m working, so I may be way off base, here. If I am, I apologize, but here goes.

From what I’ve gathered you’re comparing dog fighting to deer hunting(sporting aspect)? That’s apples and oranges to the highest degree, my friend. You might not hear folks talk about it on the TV shows (which are 90% B.S. to start with), but I can assure you as an avid hunter, wild game as good table fare is a hot commodity to most hunters. I grew up on deer steak, deer chili, duck and rice, and deep fried wild turkey. Never once have I eaten or considered eating a dog. Like you said, People indeed have a different perspective on the difference of killing a dog vs a deer in the name of sport, and rightfully so because the theory behind those activities are polar opposites. Is hunting “sporty?” Yes. Do you save money by hunting and eating wild game. Hell no. Licenses, equipment, ammo, etc. Every method of gathering food doesn’t have to be as boring as a trip to the grocery store. I won’t even get into the aspect of overpopulation and starvation of wild game without having hunters to balance the herd/flock/etc.

As for the deer being ambushed by the hunter and not being able to defend himself: If you’ve never been hunting and never seen a deer break and run off from 150 yards away because you smell like a pine-knot campfire and Old Spice, then you have no idea how keen their sense of smell is. Just because they don’t have sharp teeth and claws doesn’t mean they’re defenseless.

By All Spin Zone

July 20, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

It’s kind of funny reading this blog today. The main subject is Matt Diaz. After reading the blog it is evident he is still The Braves Rodney Dangerfield.

Most bloggers are talking about the Salty or Escobar aspect of what was written. Some are talking about KJ.

The funny part is the folks whose posts are acknowledging Matt’s abilities are patting him on the back with one hand, then asking DOB, “what could we get for him in trade?”

He’s steady, he’s cheap. Andruw is walking next year. So if we trade Diaz then we have Francouer and Wille back. And since Willie is coming back to earth, not sure he’s an everyday player. He may be, but that’s a heck of a gamble only returning he and Francouer. The fact is, Brandon Jones or whoever are still just prospects so you’ll have to go “outfield shopping” in what may not be a great market.

I’m not the expert, but I don’t think Diaz can bring anything close to the value that he brings to this team in return. Matt might be a throw in to bring back a mediocre pitcher. (I shudder when I think of the pitchers who may be available -see Mike Maroth) If that was the case, it would be a “throw away” on the Braves part.

By All Spin Zone

July 20, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Yeah, what Jared said.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Braveheart Man, I thought for sure you would attack, ridicule and diss my 12:43 post today. Are you slipping my friend?

By Josh C

July 20, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

I love players like Diaz. He reminds me in many ways of my all-time favorite Falcon, Jessie Tuggle. Both are guys who succeeded when there were very good reasons given by naysayers that they couldn’t.

I may have a fairly unique perspective on this. My chosen career path was sales, then became sales management. I consider myself a good judge of talent and character, and the results have confirmed as much. in building my team I have had many polished, well-dressed, well-educated salespeople fall flat on their faces to my surprise and disappointment. Some of my top producers are guys who don’t look the part but I hired them anyway because they were the best of what I considered a “weak” crop of applicants. Bottom line, I think some of us are born with a “performance” chip that allows us to adapt and succeed at virtually anything. Diaz has it. Jerry Rice, Tom Brady, Greg Maddux all have it. Guys who outperform their consensus projections with guile and courage are what make pro sports still worthwhile.

BTW, a little secret… watching Yunel knock in two game winning runs already this year,seeing his fearless approach in those spots, tell me he has “it” too. Only difference is that he and Frenchy have the tools as well. You just don’t trade guys like that.

Sabermetricians be damned…

By Ron Roberts

July 20, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Diaz can play first. That was part of the discussion before they moved Saltalamacchia into a platoon-then everyday role to 1B.

I don’t see why the guy’s still platooning, myself. Said so early on in the year; his BA doesn’t suffer from one side of the mound to the other.

It was hard to argue with playing Willie Harris, for awhile, too, though. Willie’s cooled off, but is a nice tool to have come off the bench if/when we needa speedy spark in a game our offense is having trouble getting something done. I’d like to see us use Willie in pinch-hitting roles, and see him lay down a bunt here and again to get his speed on-base.

Bottom line, then, when Ryan Langerhans was struggling, as it is now… I’ve hoped for quite awhile that we’d give Matty D. the everyday play until he proves he otherwise doesn’t deserve it. His approach to the game should be rewarded, and seeing that might actually be good for the younger guys to see getting rewarded, too.

Can’t believe we only pay him what we do; I’d like to hope we’re working on something more long-term w/the guy, especially knowing Andruw’s probably gone after this season.

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Billy, how about this as a Blog moniker?

Billy, formally known as TBFKB and TBFNB.

By Lew

July 20, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Well, I guess I was one of Diaz’s biggest detractors on the blog. He’s made a believer of me, though. Even his defense is, as DOB said, not bad at all. I was particularly impressed with the sliding catch he made in right (when Francoeur got rung up) the other night. Maybe he has earned a full time job. I will no longer disagree. I stand corrected. Willie Harris, though…..

By Arkansas Hillbilly

July 20, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy,

Dynamite response, yourself at 3:42. I, too failed to see your response before I posted (and then reposted) my opinion.

As for the Old Spice/after work hunts: You’re dead on. I have to bring my camo to work with me and change in the woods, because I don’t have time to go home after work. That makes it an extra challenge because I work in an oil refinery, with fumes galore.

By TBFKB

July 20, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Arkansas Hillbilly,

I just asked 5 people I work with what is the number one reason why they hunt. Guess what all five said?

They enjoy it. One even said he liked the man vs. nature aspect of it. I dont doubt that there are people out there that hunt just for food however, I believe more people hunt for the primary purpose of the rush they get when they cap a buck. Your point about it being more expensive goes to point out its more about the sport than the meat. But if you feel its more about getting food, thats your right and privlage. We will just agree to disagree.

One last point:

You wrote about overpopulation. Why is there a campaign about “fixing” your animals….further why do we euthnize sp? so many animals.

By Carolina Lady

July 20, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Savannah, it’s just me….. :-)))

By David O'Brien

July 20, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Nice to see such participation on a rainy Friday afternoon. Outstanding.

It’s not raining here at the park right now, but supposed to be off and on all night, I think. We’ll see. No word yet….

Thanks for blogging with us, Matt. See ya in the clubhouse in about 45 seconds. I’m on my way down.

By Wink from Lithonia

July 20, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

No knock on Diaz as he is certainly performing when called upon, but he is a hidden gem because Willie Harris is also performing gem like in this left field platoon. I think Willie’s numbers would also increase if he played everyday as well; and he steals bases,plays solid defense, and does not complain. I give them both credit for that. So in theory we have one of the best left fielders in the game Willie Diaz.

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 20, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

This is a nice atta-boy article, and Diaz certainly deserves one.

I concur that he’s so far off the radar as to be untradeable. He’s worth more than we could ever get for him - unless he hits 12 homers Sunday night on ESPN or such.

Looking forward to tonight’s game - the Cardinals looked awful last night.

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 20, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Enjoy Diaz while you can, if you do. For those who want Saltalamacchia at first full-time now and forevermore, you can’t do that and have Diaz playing left next year. The Braves will need somebody out there who can crush.

You might also consider that one of the reasons that Francoeur plays every day is because the other option is to have Harris and Diaz in the lineup together. That doesn’t seem to be high on the list of Cox’s possible lineup cards.

By Ron Roberts

July 20, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Ugh, rain in the forecast on a Cardinals’ game day.

Hearkens me back to October of 1982. Rained out Game 1 in St. Louis with us up 1-0 and Neikro pitching.

Also rained on Game 3 in Atlanta’s only home game that series, but while we were down the whole game, that game didn’t get rained out, sadly.

By P-Town Brave

July 20, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

So…it sounds as though this may be a bullpen night…

Do you really like our chances there..?

By geauxbraves2000

July 20, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Props to Diaz, for he’s earned them.

About Francouer, I’m not sure what his average is on the 1st pitch, I wouldn’t think it’d be a high average just from memory, but I almost hope he fouls off the 1st pitch. It seems once that 1st pitch is out of the way, he becomes a better hitter.

Welcome back Julio.

Geaux Braves!!

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Arkansas Hillbilly, I’m not totally opposed to hunting or fishing for sport but I generally us a camera rather than a gun and release those fish I’m not going to have mounted or eat.

We can rationalize anything if it’s to our advantage to so do. I’m sure that when hunting for “sport” rather than food, there’s a difference between the rules of the game for those calling themselves “hunters” and avid hunters like yourself who are indeed sportsmen.

Those who use 100 pound test when fishing for brim or an elephant gun when hunting for quail have no regard for the spirit of the game and should not be allowed to play or receive credit for their accomplishments … same as those who put cork in their bats.

By P-Town Brave

July 20, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Brandon Jones has been promoted to Richmond

He may make that a short stay and be here in August, but more than likely he’ll join the Braves in September when the rosters expand

By kdbanks

July 20, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

It’s so funny to me that when a guy is struggling at the plate, he always seems to be trying to pull the ball. But when he gets “it” fixed, he starts slapping the ball to the opposite field.

I know that hitting coaches preach going the opposite way devoutly; I just wonder why some guys seem drawn to do just that (see Renteria, Escobar); some seem to do it off and on (see McCann, now Francoeur as well); and some just don’t do it much, if at all (see Andruw).

If I was a scout or GM, I’d want to keep track of how many hits guys have going the other way, as that’s an indicator of a smart hitter, a guy who might avoid prolonged slumps.

DOB, have you ever heard scouts or personnel folks discuss it? Any stats kept specifically for that?

By Arkansas Hillbilly

July 20, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

TBFKB,

Well of course they enjoy it. This ain’t the 1860’s. It’s not like we’re pioneers that are barely hanging on to survival by bringing home a squirrel every evening. It should be enjoyable, But did you ask them how much they enjoy eating it? If they don’t use what they harvest, then even I don’t consider them real hunters, rather fair-weather killers who apparently are out there trying to prove themselves to someone. I’ll agree with you there. Some folks don’t appreciate what they’re doing and that’s a shame. Hunting is a priviledge these days, not a necessity. But don’t sit here and say I’m as barbaric as a dog fighter, because it ain’t the same ballpark, it ain’t the same league, it ain’t even the same effin sport(Pulp Fiction).

By rupert

July 20, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

DOB, here anything about marte from the pirates?

don’t know what their asking price would be, but he looked pretty good last weekend, pretty live arm, most importantly left handed.i guess it would depend how high the braves are on ledezma?

By P-Town Brave

July 20, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

KD

Somehow I think that would be some stat that Billy Beane would keep track of in his Moneyball scheme

By TBFKB

July 20, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

LOL, I knew that ambush comment would p** people off. But it got the attention I wanted. For the record I am not anti-hunting. I do not judge hunters. As I feel its their right to do what the hell they want to do as long as it does not impact me, you, or your nieghbor.

Its not just five people I base my opinion from….remember I’ve from Georgia too…I grew up with a bunch of hunters….I have a fairly good grasp on what hunting is all about.

The main purpose of the post is too use hunting as an example. Now, I am getting lit up from the blog (which is ok, I expected it when I decided to play devils advocate) for my precieved ignorance towards the sport. However, when people call a sport immorale and then claim that hunting is legit that does not make much sense.

To call dogfighting illegal is valid point as our society sees it as being wrong so laws were made. I think it is wrong to dogfight, however it should not be illegal as it does not effect me, you, or your neighbor. Unless for some strange reason someone steal your dog and turns Buster into the lean mean fighting machine.

“At least I hope not. If they do only care about the kill, then they are doing the sport, their intended prey and themselves a disservice.”

It’s a sport that involves killing animals. Yes I understand that there is more to the sport than just the killing. However, thats one of the predominat reason for people to hunt.

“Hunting is a traditional, civilized and time-honored sport. If done properly it is highly enjoyable, relaxing, healthy and humane.”

This is the meat of my argument. There is nothing, I mean nothing humane about killing something or someone. Period. You just said you enjoyed it and it is relaxing. So you relax and enjoy killing an animal. Which again I’m not attacking hunters at all but its the best example I can use for my argument.

“That said, the “thrill of the hunt” takes into consideration all aspects of the sport: camaraderie with hunting mates, individual hunt strategy, enjoyment of the outdoors, a reverence of nature, solitude and, yes…the satisfaction of success in harvesting intended game.”

You could be describing dog fighing right now. think about it.

Again….I’m not attacking hunting but using it as an example to support my opinion on dog fighting. I’m not going to argue the virtues of hunting. I belive you all, however its a sport based around killing another animal such is dog fighting.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

July 20, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Bob Journalist,

I agree wholeheartedly, there. For some folks it’s all about who has the biggest gun and how much damage does it inflict. I hunt with a bow, and I personally wouldn’t trade a plate of fried deer steak or a pot of deer chili for a filet mignon or lobster tail.

Anyway it’s quitting time in Arkansas, so I’ll be back another day to check for responses. No hard feelings, TBFKB. Just differences of opinion, and lack of exposure. Cheers.

By MGL

July 20, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

P-Town - B Jones probably got called up because TJ Bohn went on DL, leaving Richmond with only 3 OF>

By A-ville Ranger

July 20, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

TBFBK ….. I just saw your view of dog fighting you posted last night.I won’t try to reason with you.If you believe as stated you’re amoral and the effort would be wasted.For my own benefit though here’s my opinion.You’re a soulless sociopath posing as a libertarian without the first clue as to what a decent human being is.Maybe some day some event or events will instill empathy in you.Till then you’re not worth any more of my time.

By Baron

July 20, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

This guy’s a bit of a windbag, but it’s about Hammerin Hank

By kdbanks

July 20, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

P-Town,

You’re probably right! I should pick up a copy of that book and check out the index sometime. Now that the Braves are small market (sort of), maybe we could use that strategy.

By crimedogrules

July 20, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

is there a startmatty.com?

By DUMAR

July 20, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

HAY IS FOR HORSES!!

By TheCutMan

July 20, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Matt Diaz is an anomaly in a certain sense. Hey! There’s no way a guy gets acquired from the lowly Royals as an afterthought turns into anything more the mediocre on his best of days, right?

Wrong. Matt has beaten the odds and made JS look like a genius in getting this guy on the side of the ATL good guys. I continue to marvel at his hitting prowess and wonder why his former teams failed to see the obvious?

As to Julio returning to the Braves, I say HOORAY! Did anyone notice the subtle but conspicuous skills Julio displayed with his flawless and silky fielding at 1B last night?

Julio has a huge factor in his favor called, and I’m reaching for the cliche’ card here, team CHEMISTRY. What a difference this guy will make on the bench, in the clubhouse and, as we all saw last night, on the field.

Welcome back, Julio. You should have never been allowed to leave in the first place.

By Roger Caillois

July 20, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Bob, JournalistPer your earlier post on and offer you an original definition on the subject.

A game as an activity must have the following characteristics:

FUN: the activity is chosen for its light-hearted character. SEPARATE: it is circumscribed in time and place. UNCERTAIN: the outcome of the activity is unforeseeable. NON-PRODUCTIVE: in the outcome of life itself. GOVERNED BY RULES: the activity has rules that are different from everyday life. FICTICIOUS: it is accompanied by the awareness of a different reality.

Further, as you (aptly or unwittingly) employ the game of cadavre exquis, allow me to expand on your earlier pontifications with a wee bit of philosophical grist: “Le silence vertébral indispose la voile licite”. You may want to consider that awhile.

By bravos dude

July 20, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

AREN’T WE ALL GLAD THAT JS DIDN’T PULL THE TRIGGER AND GET MARROTH ???? HE’S ABOUT AS BAD AS THE PLUG !!………..WELL, THEN AGAIN …….NOT !!!

By Luther

July 20, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Diaz- I don’t understand the few people who criticize BC and JS use of Diaz and urge them “to give him a chance.” BC and JS are the ones who actually did give him a chance. Hey, they took a 29-30 year old player who had no major league success or track record and have given him 500 ABs in a year in a half. Thats about a full season in a season and a 1/2s time. Thats a pretty good chance. I think Bobby will continue to play him more, but they brought up Harris and put him in for a game and he hit over 400 for a month right as Diaz was getting going. What are you gonna do?

Frenchy- I like the way he is developing as well. However, I think the part of his approach that he needs to refine is his hitting of mistakes. Last night I thought he missed an inner half fastball he should have hit out, right before he smashed a single to right. To become an elite hitter,(Pujols, Ramirez, Cabrera, Chipper) those guys don’t miss mistakes(HRs) and try to do what they can with everything else(what Franc is doing now with everything). Then there are guys like Andruw who makes a living off not missing mistakes, but usually doesn’t take what they are giving him in other instances. I think this will come as he continues to develop an understanding of his ability and the strike zone.

By Efrim

July 20, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

ALL

Which left handed reliver do you want the Braves to trade for?

C.J Wilson or Damaso Marte?

By Braveheart

July 20, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

MAGIC NUMBER IS 70!

By The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 20, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Arkansas Hillbilly,

I’m not calling you barbaric. Not at all. I’m not arguing about hunting, I’m arguing the the over-reaction to the dogfighting. However, dog fighting is the same as hunting in my opinion. Both sports are based upon an animal dying or becoming seriously incompacitated for the enjoyment of human beings. In the simplist form thats what it is. Once again I’m not passing judgement on hunters. I respect their right to hunt as do I respect the right for people to dog fight.

Since when did we become a country that dictated what is moral and immoral for each other? I don’t think it is anyone’s buisness what another person does as long as it does not effect me, you, or my nieghbor.

People are quick to throw stones at others without taking a minute and looking at their own life and understand that we all have precived faults that could be considered immoral. For example, look how many people took offence to my hunting example. I assure you I’m the least of your worries when your talking about morality of hunting. Especailly, since I don’t think it is.

By DonCoburleone

July 20, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

I hope we get this game in tonight… Otherwise what am I supposed to do tonight while I’m drinking beer?

By P-Town Brave

July 20, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Wilson…

I would imagine Marte being too costly

KD

Do so, it really is an excellent read!

By raindawg722

July 20, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

P-Town Brave:

In response to your 3:43, punch-and-judy hitters do not hits tons of doubles and drive in over a 100 runs. So what if his home runs are down if he produces the same? Anyway, he is still developing. The home runs will come. Plus, he is much more difficult to pitch to this year than last. Last year, any pitcher who could locate could get him out. Those are the kinds of pitchers that you face in the playoffs. This year he is a tough out. A couple of guys like him in the middle of the lineup will wear the opposing pitching staff down over the course of the game.

By N8

July 20, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

geauxbraves2000

“About Francouer, I’m not sure what his average is on the 1st pitch, I wouldn’t think it’d be a high average just from memory, but I almost hope he fouls off the 1st pitch. It seems once that 1st pitch is out of the way, he becomes a better hitter.”

1st pitch:

94 for 267 (.352) with 21 HR and 60 RBI

2nd pitch:

91 for 250 (.364) with 9 HR and 48 RBI

3rd pitch:

63 for 274 (.229) with 5 HR and 34 RBI

4th pitch:

30 for 179 (.218) with 6 HR and 39 RBI

Ironically, he has had 1 official AB with a 3-0 count in his career that didn’t end up in a BB. He’s 0 for 1 in that situation. With 22 BB’s (11 intentional).

Obviously the second pitch can come with a 1-0 count or a 2-0 count. You mentioned that he’s a better hitter when he fouls the first pitch off. With the count 0-1:

46 for 137 (.335) with 4 HR and 23 RBI

All of the above numbers are for his career, not just this year.

In 2007 with the count 0-1, he is 8 for 39 (.205) with 0 HR and 4 RBI.

A few weeks ago, I was complaining (no….really…I was), about Jeff swinging at the first pitch so much. So I decided to crunch these numbers. I was actually surprised at his rate of success early in the count.

As I did before (reinforced with this second “go by” of the numbers), I’m sure you will come to the same conclusion while watching Jeff hit……

SWING AT THE FIRST PITCH JEFF!!!

:-)

By Paladin

July 20, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

I don’t hunt. I don’t fish. I certainly do not dog fight. And now, I don’t cuss(on the blog). Will that help in my blog rehabilitation?

By A-ville Ranger

July 20, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

former Billy —- I can’t get into a hunters mind.There are valid questions concerning the value of hunting though (herd population control,etc).There is absolutely no argument to support dog fighting in a civil,humane society however…none.

By Bobbymahlon

July 20, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

In order for the Braves to field their best team Diaz and Escobar have to be in the lineup every day. In order to do that we have to move Chipper to first, Escobar to third and Diaz to left. Using Escobar at second is a waste of a great arm and also Kelly should be in there every day. If Bobby is running the team he should move Chipper to first but I don’t think he has the guts to stand up to Chipper if he refuses. The other option than would be to move Diaz to first,Kelley to left and Escobar to second. We do not have that good of a hitting team to leave Diaz,Escobar and Johnson paltooning. Salty has shown a weakness for hitting the breaking pitches especially when he bats lefthanded so just us him for pinch hitting and backup catcher.

By Baron

July 20, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

DOB, what’s the weather looking like? Are we gonna get a game in? Should I cut my after work hoops game short and run home, or are we likely to see delays?

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Billy, fundamentally, to permit something is to condone it but we permit things that we don’t condone when not permitting them violates things we consider to be of more importance. That is to say some rules and some games are of more importance than others.

If all things are games within games, the innermost games are generally deemed the least important though they may well determine the outcome of the games within which they’re played.

We have decided that man pitting animals against themselves in mortal combat for our enjoyment is different from so pitting ourselves against an animal for the same purpose.

Dog Fighting and Hunting are different games … one is permitted, the other is not. That’s one of the rules of one of the higher level games.

It may not appear that one game impacts another but that isn’t to say that it doesn’t. The fact that dog fighting doesn’t directly impact you or your neighbor doesn’t mean that it doesn’t impact you or your neighbor. You can control what your kids watch on TV but the filth that is on there will still impact their lives.

By Paladin

July 20, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

I guess to be more gramatically correct I should have said that I do not participate in the fighting of dogs. Leaving myself open, in my old age.

By Seymour

July 20, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Diaz is just a great hitter. If Willie’s struggles prove to be permanent (which I doubt they will) who would think twice about putting Diaz in there every day? The man’s name is in the record books for most consecutive hits in the NL (tied) for crying out loud! All he does is hit. :)

By Carolina Lady

July 20, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

Animals have to die for human pleasure? Killing is fun? Hmmmm.

By P-Town Brave

July 20, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

RainDawg

How do you explain Nomar then? He’s become the same hitter Jeff is…the power is gone..doubles do still happen to those guys…Just ask Juan Pierre!

By The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 20, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

“*By A-ville Ranger

TBFBK ….. I just saw your view of dog fighting you posted last night.I won’t try to reason with you.If you believe as stated you’re amoral and the effort would be wasted.For my own benefit though here’s my opinion.You’re a soulless sociopath posing as a libertarian without the first clue as to what a decent human being is.Maybe some day some event or events will instill empathy in you.Till then you’re not worth any more of my time.*”

Wow! I should be offended by this but strangely I’m not. I wonder why…however, I am surprised as I did not think my post would invoke such hostility.

I’m sittting here wondering if I should defend myself as I could rebutt this with relative ease all the while making you look extrodinarily foolish. However, I am who I am and you are who you are.

By David O'Brien

July 20, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

JULIO is in the lineup again. Bobby wants to get him at-bats vs. righties and lefties right away. I’d guess Braves want to see what he’s got, know how much of a need they have at the position before the trade deadline, but that’s just me guessing…

Baron, we’re going to get it in. It’s sunny here, they’re taking BP, we’re gonna start on time.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

TBFKB Read your 4:49 post. So, in your way of thinking, all hunting is the same as dog fighting. It’s all about killing? Didn’t you read my post? Did you take 10 seconds to consider it? You actually went out and did qualitative and quantitative research on why people hunt? With a whopping 5 people?

Do you think that supermarkets are mass murderers of animals? Do you eat meat? Do you hire someone to kill and clean your meat? Further…do you believe in swatting flies? Isn’t that cruel? Better to render them sterile? Please don’t answer these rhetorical questions.

Oh, you said were just trying to get attention. I see. Um…well, how can I put this to you? If you don’t get it by now you are either very young and sensitive or…uh…never mind. Have a nice day and enjoy a nice, guilt-free PETA salad for your din din.

By A-ville Ranger

July 20, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Some of you are no different than the racist of past generations.You are missing internal guidance and depend on society setting boundaries by way of laws and exceptable practices.Bob the j seems like a poster boy for this amoral mind-set.Thank goodness we live in a time and place where the more evolved among us hold sway on most issues.

By Colin

July 20, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Can we give Harris some credit though, where would be with out his stealing ability. Name someone else who you would want late in a game tied on base to swipe one. Only if we could make a Diaz and Harris Clone with Harris’s speed and Diaz’s bat.

By Baron

July 20, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

N8, Frenchy’s a good first ball hitter, no doubt, but those numbers are deceiving, aren’t they? If he swings and misses the third pitch, as an example, doesn’t come out looking like he made an out? So if he swings and misses pitch one and two it’s like he made two outs, while he may very well get a hit on pitch three and actually have made zero outs.

Perhaps I’m looking at those stats incorrectly.

By mikey

July 20, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Do What You Like

By N8

July 20, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

In my previous post about Francoeur, I stated:

“Obviously the second pitch can come with a 1-0 count or a 2-0 count.”

What I MEANT to say was:

“Obviously the second pitch can come with a 1-0 count or a 0-1 count.”

….obviously. :-)

By Serge

July 20, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

You sure about that Dave? Your sure its not just Bobby being Bobby giving his favorite At Bats? Just like hes always done?

If Salty is the future he needs to start every day. Not loose At Bats to the old man

By The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 20, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Bob,

“You can control what your kids watch on TV but the filth that is on there will still impact their lives.”

Very true.

If you can turn that filth into a teaching lesson for our kids and it has a positive impact on how they live their lives is it still consdiered filth? Or is it considered a great learning experience. Doesn’t matter if our kids watch or see the filth, its how they respond to it is what matters.

By Lew

July 20, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Former Billy and Others-There is NO justification for dog fighting or c** fighting. NONE. That’s it. Period. There is absolutely no argument you can possibly make that will make any difference. It is wrong. If you agree with the pasttime then you have serious issues you need to deal with. Hopefully you will deal with them sooner rather than later. You’re sick.

By N8

July 20, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Baron

To my knowledge, the way those stats (batting average on certain pitches), only apply to when he puts the ball in play on those pitches.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think I am.

By TennesseePaul

July 20, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Great blog DOB. Great blog.

Julio Franco back in a Braves uni. This pleases me.

Diaz is good. Very unorthodox. He stands at the plate funny. Looks odd when he swings. Nothing graceful about his fielding. But he gets it done. Glad we have him. Glad JS didn’t finalize the deal to send him to the other side of the planet.
Alright Braves. Clean house tonight.
GO BRAVES!!

By bwash21

July 20, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

I’m headed to the ballpark. I’ve got Braves fever!!!

I love Diaz, but in the role he is in. One reason he doesn’t get huge props is because his power numbers and RBI numbers are not overly impressive. Have to give the guy a ton of credit though. He has a, dare I say, Great arm? Well above average at the very least and he hustles EVERY time down the 1st base line on the routine grounder and even beats out a few. Love having Julio back and I’m excited to see what impact that has over the next couple weeks. I think he IS going to play alot to get a gauge on whether or not we need to add another bat to this bench or lineup.

Lastly, if we can’t get a SP, I hope we at least get another stud for the bullpen. Those guys are wearing down and need some help immediately.

By Lew

July 20, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

Paladin-You’re a Dawg Fan. That can make up for many ills in my book. As long as that remains a fact, you will always have hope of being a true human.

By The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 20, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy,

I could say the same thing about you…..your not understanding my argument….I’m not arguing against Hunting, I’m arguing for dog fighting.

Bottom line….hunters kill animals dog fighters kill animals society says dogfighint is immoral and hunting is respectable I disagree….they are either both immoral or both respectable.

By A-ville Ranger

July 20, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Some of you are no different than the racist of past generations.You are missing internal guidance and depend on society setting boundaries by way of laws and exceptable practices.Bob the j seems like a poster boy for this amoral mind-set.Thank goodness we live in a time and place where the more evolved among us hold sway on most issues.

Again I think you are the problem with society as your ability to judge people is outstanding…..note the sarcasm. Who says your right and I’m wrong? We all have different opinions and you assume that your more evolved than the rest of us. That really shows your maturity and ignorance level toward the evouloution of our society…..you infact just described your self with your post. I find that hilarious. Becasue I belive somehting different I or Bob are less evolved? Can you make your self look any more like a hypocrite.

By Marc

July 20, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Hopefully Atlanta management will realize his worth and lock him up for a while.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

N8 You can’t really believe that Frenchy should swing more at the first pitch just because of these stats. Don’t you see that the stats are skewed to only reporting the past, based on Frenchy’s current MO? Besides, if he swings at the first pitch, then the results are going to be forever skewed for subsequent pitches. This is a classic case of “lies, damn lies and stats”.

Obviously, even by your presented stats, he has a high BA on first pitches. Higher on the second pitch. But where are the stats that show how many times he flailed at the first pitch that was off the plate or was a pitchers pitch? What might his overall BA be if he were more selective on that first pitch? What would have happened in those AB’s if he didn’t get so many swinging strikes, fouls or weak pops and grounders on that first pitch? How might he have advanced runners by being more patient on that first pitch? How many more walks might he have if he would have been patient with a pitcher that had just walked the batter(s) before him? How many more RBI? How many more games won? So many questions that we will never know.

Those things don’t show up on your stats.

My theory is that, if/when he becomes more selective on strike one, get into the head of the pitcher more (experience will help), consider the situational strategy: (runners on base, number of outs, late or early innings, pitcher control with prior batter, etc. I believe his 1st pitch average would not change and may even drop, but his overall BA would go up substantially, his run production would increase dramatically and his power numbers would go up as well.

So, instead of “swing at the first pitch, Jeff”, this armchair coach says: Good eye, kid (translated: pay attention Jeff).

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

Roger Caillois, what we ponder says alot about what we are.

That my use of the word “game” required special definition was recognized and had been in the draft of my original post … but it and the much of the definition was deleted because of length and/or relevance.

I hoped that its audience would recognize it for what is was, place it in whatever context they chose, and take from it what they would … same of most of my posts. Methinks “game” derives its meaning from the text.

It wasn’t intended as a pontification but rather just my opinion, primarily intended for Billy, TBFNB or TBFKB to chew on a bit … he can spit it out any time he likes!

Never underestimate Billy, he has his opinions and when he doesn’t and when he disagrees, he lets you know it … and as importantly, when he doesn’t understand, he asks!

What I said is, however, one of the ways in which I personally look at things … indeed, from my perspective, the Earth is but a playing piece … and a small one at that.

Time is better spent thinking about other things, methinks.

Hot Tub awaits and duty calls.

Enjoy the game!

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

Idiot Dog-fighting rationalizer If you don’t know the difference between domestic animals and wild animals you do not possess a shred of moral values, ethical capability or common sense. You are just digging yourself in further. Go away. You are disgusting. Maybe your high scholl will have a debating class that you can attend when you are a senior. In the meantime, don’t go anywhere near pets.

By Coach ( I'm Only Right 90% Of The Time)

July 20, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Diaz could hit in a freaking phone booth. I don’t understand why he doesn’t get more at bats. He is perfectly capable of playing 1B and LF.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

By Baron5:42: “DOB, what’s the weather looking like? Are we gonna get a game in? Should I cut my after work hoops game short and run home, or are we likely to see delays?”

Uh…Snoopy…you have a computer, right? Ever heard of weather.com pal? Do you want DOB to give you a weather report and tell you when to run home to watch the game too? Why did you post that?

Boy, I’m getting grouchy.

By A-ville Ranger

July 20, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Former …. I don’t think I’m more evolved than most of you.I KNOW I’m more evolved than you and the ever shrinking base of backward thinking yahoos you belong with.Having made my point clear there’s no reason to further comment.

By geauxbraves2000

July 20, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Thanks N8 for the info. I humbly stand corrected. :)

Geaux Braves!!

By DonCoburleone

July 20, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

“JULIO is in the lineup again. Bobby wants to get him at-bats vs. righties and lefties right away.”

I’d say it is more because Salty needs a day off and because Cox has completely lost confidence in Thorman.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Arkansas Hillbilly “Oil refinery fumes”. Hmmm. That does pose a problem…especially when mixed with Old Spice. You just consider it a bit more sporting to send out a warning scent, eh? Hey, the worst scent is that of bug spray, but I use that when the skeeters get really bad. In one of our clubs in the lowcountry that has an enormous population of mosquitoes we have a saying, “It’s ok to forget your gun…just don’t forget the bug spray”.

Bob, Journalist Can you release a fish after mounting it? Does it still respect you the next morning or just float away?

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Man from Savannah, your 6:33 is one of your best though I can’t imagine even Shaun Payne having so opined.

Of course, Hoss says they have things down pat mechanically and he’s helping them with the above the neck part … it’ll be interesting to see what he has to say.

By N8

July 20, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy

Totally agree with you. But since his hitting coach or manager don’t have ANY interest in teaching him to be more patient, WHEN is that gonna happen? In the 7th, 8th, maybe 9th year of his career?

If TP and Cox aren’t gonna get on him, since they have both made comments about not wanting to “take away” his aggressiveness, it is what it his.

And based on those stats, when he actually puts the ball in play on the first pitch, he’s a dangerous hitter.

Of course I would like him to be more selective at what first pitches he swwings at. If I had a guess, I’d say that he goes up to the plate looking for a pitch, many of the times (based on his numbers) he “gets” it. But when he is forced to think about it (deeper in the count, he seems to struggle.

Of course if you were to look up these same stats for most big league hitters, you would see than most hitters fail more often than not, when BEHIND in the count. In his career with 2 strikes, Jeff is 88 for 549 (.160) with 12 HR and 53 RBI. Getting more detailed, when BEHIND in the count with 2 strikes (0-2 & 1-2 counts), he is 44 for 309 (.142) with 4 HR and 29 RBI.

So when Jeff is behind in the count and 2 strikes, one could say that he is reasonably worthless with the bat.

But most hitters are. Even Chipper is only hitting .214 with 2 strikes in his career. My guess is that, that is about the average for all hitters, give or take a little.

So as always, it’s better to NOT get behind in the count. Common sense really. But I’m not sure Jeff will EVER be patient enough to not hack at most of those first pitches. All we can wish for is that he’s more selective at the first pitches he swings at.

But until Bobby and TP are willing to mess with his “aggressiveness”, I say, let him swing away.

By Glass Half Full

July 20, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

My only comment on Vick:

Since Blank is a business man first and NFL owner second, I expect Vick to be given a leave of absence in an effort to not further tarnish the team’s and Blank’s reputation.

By Glass Half Full

July 20, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Rosenthal says the Braves won’t give up either Escobar or Salty for Tex…

By parks

July 20, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

Franco in the lineup again. Looks like my fear may be coming true. Franco is going to play a lot. Salty’s at bats are about to go way down.

By Ron

July 20, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

This is from Ken Rosenthal talkin about the Braves interest in Tex:

Club officials insist they will not trade infielder Yunel Escobar or catcher/first baseman Jarrod Saltalamacchia in a package for Teixeira, who is a free agent after next season. But Escobar and Saltalamacchia aren’t their only quality prospects.

The Braves have outfielder Brandon Jones at Class AA, shortstop Elvis Andrus and outfielder Jordan Schafer at Class A and several power arms in their system. They also could include first baseman Scott Thorman in a deal for Teixeira.

Well I seriously doubt that deal gets done then, because Daniels HAS to make a Great trade IF he trades Tex!!! Personally Tex is a bit overrated anyway!!! I think he is good but not worth what he will comand in free agency!!!

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Coach, that’s one of your 90% … however, sometimes I think about 80% of your 90% goes in your 10%.

Bye …

By Glass Half Full

July 20, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

IF the Braves could get Tex without giving up Salty, what does that mean for Salty? He can’t be the back-up catcher for another year and a half and Tex is a switch-hitter.

By Coach ( I'm Only Right 90% Of The Time)

July 20, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

Billy , you have no argument , NONE. Your wrong and you know it. Dog fighting is cruel , inhumane , beastial and an insult to man’s best friend. Hunting is an honorable sport and dogs are a part of it (Duck Hunting , Rabbit hunting). Drawing comparisons between the two is sheer stupidity and ignorance. Frankly , your views turn my stomach. By the way , Vick is losing millions of dollars in endorsement deals due to his association with dog fighting. That should give you an idea of what society thinks of your so called (Sport) of dog fighting.

By Paladin

July 20, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Thank you, Lew, I think.

By N8

July 20, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

parks

“Franco in the lineup again. Looks like my fear may be coming true. Franco is going to play a lot. Salty’s at bats are about to go way down.”

Yup. Sucks, doesn’t it?

By DonCoburleone

July 20, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this

You heard it by me first - Tonight is going to be a pitchers duel until the 7th inning (when Chucky runs out of gas) and the Cards will go up 2-1 only to lose to McCann’s 2 run go ahead double in the bottom of the 8th inning… LETS GO BRAVOS!!!

By Ed Glennon

July 20, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

DOB - How about the song “Who Let the Dogs Out” in honor of Michael Vick?

By heath

July 20, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Pitching, pitching, and more pitching. Why would we want to trade away prospects to Tex or any other bat? Do we expect to outslug everyone at night? Braves should focus on getting some young starting pitching. As Glass Half Full just astutely obsesrved, what the Braves do with Salty if they got a Tex anyway? Doesn’t make sense to me.

By Mike Vick

July 20, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

Did Diaz play any 1B this year in spring training? I’m almost positive that he played there two spring trainings ago but my memory is not so good.

Im a lover baby, not a dog-fighter

By Paladin

July 20, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

God, “Coach” has someone to kick on. Don’t it feel good?

By Efrim

July 20, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

How is the weather down there?

By N8

July 20, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

Heath and Glass

I absolutely, one hundred percent, TOTALLY agree about getting pitching over getting Tex.

But what if JS could swing getting Tex for lesser prospects and this whole time had a deal in place to bring some pitching in for Salty?

As much as I’d like to see Salty have a long career as the Braves first baseman, if they haven’t given him the job yet, they probably aren’t ever gonna do it. That and having McCann entrenched at catcher, JS might as well trade him, if Bobby isn’t gonna play him.

Sad, but true.

By JasonInMaine

July 20, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

I commented on Rosenthal’s article extensively yesterday. Personally, I would include Escobar in a trade for Tex. KJ can play everyday. Again, they must plan on making Escobar an every day player by next year to not include him in a trade for someone like Tex. Tex has already been better at his position than Escobar will ever be (nothing against Escobar). Additionally, we have other SS prospects and Renteria is under contract for another year with Boston paying a good chunk. Tex would help this year and provide insurance if Druw leaves. I include Escobar in a heartbeat, but I guess that’s why JS is one of the best ever and I write code for a living.

Regards,

Jason

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

N8 As Bob, J just pointed out, let’s hope Hoss helps the kid a bit more. Or TP, Julio, Renteria, Mom, Dad…Someone.

By Coach ( I'm Only Right 90% Of The Time)

July 20, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this

Bob , if I want anything out of you. I’ll unscrew your head and dip it out. Otherwise , shut up.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 20, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this

heath,

Decent hitters are more available than decent pitchers. Hence all the Tex talk. He’s probably going somewhere, if not before the end of the month, certainly in the off-season.

Looks like the best starters available are veterans who are not much better than Davies. Just a lot older. And more expensive. Or starters who will command an awful lot more money very soon. (Matt Morris looks like the best value of the bunch. Seriously.)

So we may make a deal for a hitter or a reliever because that’s the only way we don’t have to give away the farm.

Sad, but it’s reality, I’m afraid.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 20, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

Not-too-bold prediction:

If Escobar is not traded by the deadline, Edgar may be dealt in the off-season to make room for Yunel full-time at SS next year.

If Escobar is traded by the deadline, Elvis will be the everyday SS in 2009.

By JasonInMaine

July 20, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

First, as others have pointed out, comparing hunting to dog fighting is utterly absurd. Secondly, for the anti-hunters, do you eat beef? If so, which is worse: cattle being raised for the sole purpose of being slaughtered or a deer living in its natural habitat and being killed? The ultimate purpose—food—is the same. I know a lot of hunters and I do not know one that doesn’t do it part “to fill the freezer”.

Regards,

Jason

By Coach ( I'm Only Right 90% Of The Time)

July 20, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

How we could have used Adam Wainwright last year and this season to ? I’ll raise the one finger salute for another of John Schuerholz brain fart trades.

By David O'Brien

July 20, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this

Ed, how ‘bout never soiling the integrity of this blog again by mentioning “Who Let the Dogs Out”? That song makes Whitesnake seem like Led Zeppelin, by comparison. I can’t even believe you got me to type it.

By jjschiller

July 20, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

TBFKB

Dog fighting does not hurt you, or your neighbor.

It hurts innocent animals that have no means of defending themselves.

I do not support hunting, personally. But will admit that it is much different from dogfighting. An animal in the wild, you have to track it and corner it in order to do it harm.

A dog, you breed. You breed it, and raise it, and you ritually abuse it, and if it does not respond the way you desire, you destroy it. It never has a chance.

You say the dogs have a means of defending themselves. Maybe, against other dogs. It’s their owners against whom they have no defense.

The dog in the ring fights for its life, because its owner has deemed that particular animal deserves the chance to fight for its life.

That’s bad enough, that the owner would put an animal in a position to fight for its very life, in order to gain profit, or worse, simply for his own enjoyment.

But what’s worse is the many dogs that aren’t given the chance to fight for their lives. More dogs are actually seen as unfit for the ring, and are simply destroyed.

On a side note, I’d like to look specifically at the accusations levelled against Vick.

He’s accused of executing dogs via gunshot, via hanging, and via electrecution.

EVEN IF you are so inclined as to say that a domestic animal is merely property, these are abominable acts.

A person who commits these acts is not a person who sees the animal as merely invaluable property. That isn’t a stance of ‘Well this dog won’t fight. He won’t make me any money, why waste the money of feeding him?’

These actions are a means of punishing an animal, EVEN IN DEATH, for not living up to your expectations. By deciding that an animal deserves to be ELECTRECUTED TO DEATH, you have already made the assessment that the animal is alive, that it has feelings, and that IT DESERVES what you are about to do it.

By Paladin

July 20, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

Will that help in my blog rehabilitation?

No? oh, well. A journey of a 1000 miles… BTW, tyyosh, if you are on tonight please see my answer to you. It occured somewhere in the 6-8 range on the previous blog. Nite to all of you.

By The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 20, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

This will be my last post on the subject as I think this could escalte to a flame war instead of a rational conversation. I expected some people to get personal but at the level in which it occured astounds me. I honestly don’t believe indivduals on this blog actully understands nor respects others opinions. This is indicated by the nature of people response.

How is calling someon a social path or idiot productive to getting your point across? As I mentioned in previous post it make your argument less credible. If you cant figure out why then its almost pointless to debate about something.

Savannah Guy,

Is a domestic animals life more valuable than a wild one?

You base your judgement on me based on one opinion? Yep, thats an opinion I respect.

*By Savannah Guy

Idiot Dog-fighting rationalizer If you don’t know the difference between domestic animals and wild animals you do not possess a shred of moral values, ethical capability or common sense. You are just digging yourself in further. Go away. You are disgusting. Maybe your high scholl will have a debating class that you can attend when you are a senior. In the meantime, don’t go anywhere near pets.*

Normally from what I have found is when someone can’t find a valid response they reduce themselves to insulting someone or something. What really annoys me is your bash and banish attitude with people who disagree with you.

You obviously dont see the point I’m making….I see yours and understand it but I happen to disagree. With that said I wont call you names or insult you in any way becasue its not anyway productive. Muchless, pointless.

If you read my post instead of thinking you read them you would understand that I don’t disagree that it is wrong to fight dogs however, I feel that ideal should not be rammed down your throat or my throat by use of laws. People should be free to do what they want as long as it does not impact someone else. You should be free to hunt even though there are people out there who do not believe you should have that right. Of course all you see me doing is bashing hunting instead of understanding the underlying issue which is basic political opinions. The dog fighting and huntings was a medium to use to get the point across. Oh, but you were smart enough to figure that out.

A-ville Ranger,

More power to ya’ bro. Let me ask though. If you are so evolved why particpate in the blog with us lowly cavemen?

Time to go play some video games….Halo 2. Hope the boys do us proud tonight. DOB sorry for inciting a lych mob on your blog. The conversation was fun for awhile and appreciate everyones opinions.

Be back tonight.

By All Spin Zone

July 20, 2007 7:47 PM | Link to this

They just gave a great stat on Matt Diaz on TV. He is 9 for 9 in getting runners in from third with less than 2 out. They also said in essence, said everyone else on the team is sucking at it. lol

By N8

July 20, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

DOB

“Ed, how ‘bout never soiling the integrity of this blog again by mentioning “Who Let the Dogs Out”? That song makes Whitesnake seem like Led Zeppelin, by comparison.”

YIKES! Does that song strike a nerve, or what? :-)

but since we’re on the integrity conversation, wouldn’t that mean that all the talk about Vick and dog-fighting, should go away as well?

Last time I checked NEITHER have anything to do with the Braves or the Man in Black. In fact the bickering that has been going on is borderlining on being as annoying as a political or religious discussion on this blog, and unless I’m wrong, those “topics” are supposed to be off-limits.

So should that.

By Greg in TN

July 20, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

Can’t say that I’ve ever seen what transpired in the bottom of the first. Reach first on a wild pitch on strike three, move to second on another wild pitch and then to third on a passed ball and then scores when Chipper is just being Chipper.

Chipper may not get enough votes to be the NL MVP this year, but he’s my MVP for this team for this year hands down.

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Savannah, I can well imagine your seeing that and smiling but somewhat surprised that you so posted.

The truth is that the last one that I had mounted was back sometime before Captain Bill died … and I haven’t done much sport fishing since because of the cost.

Billy was obviously wrong in his original dog fighting - hunting comparison but our sense of propriety is inconsistent and often confusing.

Billy mentioned bullfighting … it is now more an spectacle and slaughter than anything else but when the bull excels, out preforms the matador, the bull is to be spared under the rules of the game, at the discretion of the fans, if memory serves.

By Coach ( Walking The Dog , Literally)

July 20, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Billy , I have about as much respect for you , as you have for man’s best friend. So , go find a cliff and jump , I’ll be at the bottom to catch you. I promise !

By randomguy

July 20, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this

how do you audition to become chipper’s chips… hehe

By Scott

July 20, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this

Diaz sucks in the clutch. Trade him and put Willie in everyday. Willie has good wheels and defense..

By Scott

July 20, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this

Diaz sucks in the clutch. Trade him and put Willie in everyday. Willie has good wheels and defense..

By parks

July 20, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Diaz sucks in the clutch. Trade him and put Willie in everyday. Willie has good wheels and defense..

The DOB blog comedy hour

By A-ville Ranger

July 20, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Savannah you agree with me on the subject but you so fear alienating people you’ve never seen that you take a shot at me as if to say you’re still one of the guys.The big difference in me and you isn’t who’s more evolved,that depends on the subject.The difference in us is I’m secure enough not to need validation from strangers.Just ask them to please,please love you then all will be well.

By Lew

July 20, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this

Former Bill-Uh, Maybe because not all of us on the blog are cavemen? Dude, you just spawned a new blog term-“lower than a Whitesnake”.

By Bob, Journalist

July 20, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this

Tired of fussin’ and want a short break, after the game or between innings … you might enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15D3ElV1Jzw

Then again, you might not.

By NA17

July 20, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this

I think Diaz is OK, but I still thinking he can’t be an every day opener… What the Braves really need is to move Salty and anybody else in order to get a prime hitter and/or a quality 2nd or 3rd starter… Texeira would be the best move the Braves could do in the last few years… … I’m getting bored about this team doing the same thing these last seasons…

By A-ville Ranger

July 20, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this

Savannah guy …I thought I was reading a post of yours.It was from Billy please disregard my last post.I sure wish I’d taken a minute to scroll to the top of the post.Again sorry and please disregard,I guess I just thought I was being thrown in a ditch.

By Josh C

July 20, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this

Does anyone else think that the unshaven Scott Thorman looks like Woody Harrelson in White Men Can’t Jump?

And DOB, I think you’re just a little too old to appreciate Whitesnake. If you were 12 like me when the Tawny videos came out you’d have a greater appreciation for their talent.

By A-ville Ranger

July 20, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

Lew,Coach,Savannah guy I’m with you guys on this issue of dog fighting 100 %.I really don’t see how anybody could disagree.I have a foxhound I pulled off an animal control truck four months back.I also have a chow/golden retriever mix I’ve had for fifteen years.I do get my dander up on this subject.Again Savannah my bad.I’m taking a break for awhile,later.

By JasonInMaine

July 20, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

Seriously, we absolutely have to lead the majors in leadoff doubles without scoring…UNBELIEVABLE

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

A-ville Ranger 8:30: Me afraid? Bite me. A-ville Ranger 8:41: Oh…uh, ok then. No problem. Sorry.

Hey, I was grouchy a while back and thought I might’ve inadvertently stepped on your toe…but had absolutely no idea what you were referring to.

By David O'Brien

July 20, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

Josh C, that’s a pretty good call — Thorman/Woody Harrelson circa White Men Cant’ Jump.

Too bad you had to mention it in the same post as Whitesn… oh, I can’t type it again.

Grinch, you got your tickets to see Allison Krauss on Aug. 18?

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Where is Diaz? Did he accidentally spit tobacco on Bobby’s shoe or is it another case of no good deed goes unpunished. He just missed hitting for the cycle last night. That’s dispicable. He deserves to sit. Next time maybe he’ll get that damn triple (then he’ll sit two days).

By All Spin Zone

July 20, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

I’m just wondering what some folks are thinking is the kind of lineup the Braves can realistically put on the field.

We need an all star on first, one on second, short and 3rd. Catcher is covered. So lets see, we need 3 allstars in the outfield and two more guys in the starting rotation who will be 15 game winners.

Yeah, we can do that on an 80 million dollar payroll.

J.D. Drew gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling, giving up Wainright and Marquis for a one year rental. I think we should trade for Tex so he can play a season and two months with us and we can watch him walk away as well! We should give up Salty and Escobar for a one year rental! Thats a great idea!

Oh and while we’re at it, let get rid of a guy we’re paying less than $400,000 who’s has a career batting average of over.320, just because some of our experts just don’t feel like he could play every day.

Oh yeah, and Diaz isn’t a clutch hitter. He’s only driven in 9 of 9 runs in from 3rd with less than 2 outs and runners in scoring position.

This blog should be on Comedy Central! lol

By David O'Brien

July 20, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

Believe it or not, Francoeur just matched his 2006 season (and career-high) total for walks with his 23rd….

I’m not going to get too excited yet about Julio. He’s not gotten the ball out of the infield in three at-bats (all groundouts) tonight.

But we should give him a week or two to make judgments, considering he had only 13 at-bats in june and july with the Mets. And as I’ve said, it’s better than what the Braves had at the position two days ago, given Thorman’s struggles since the end of April.

I’m certain the Braves are going to keep looking between now and the deadline, in case Julio doesn’t look like he can produce in at least a semi-regular role.

By GermanBravesFan

July 20, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

Did we sign Julio Franco because we needed someone to bat below .200? Seems like Andruw is well above that now…

By Bob

July 20, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this

A hit the other way by Thorman!!!!!!!!

By All Spin Zone

July 20, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

Thor may have earned himself a start with that hit. With the lack of production at first, a hit from anyone who plays the position is a rally!

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

This is a classic Bobby Cox game. Just classic. Amazing. Frustrating. Maybe we’ll see Diaz and Salty if the game goes to 12 innings?

By All Spin Zone

July 20, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this

And out of curiosity, a question.

Willie is fast, but Molina can throw a guy out. So on a great hitters count, 2-0, why wasn’t it a hit and run instead of a straight steal? I was hoping for that instead of the steal attempt.

Oh well, it’s easy to call while sitting here with my feet up drinking a beer rather than sitting in the dugout trying to manage a team when it counts.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

Carolina Lady Are you still with us? I’m a tad grouchy tonight because I got a cold/flu thing from a cross country flight the other day. Just tell me you don’t hate me for hunting and fishing. C’mon, Cherry Point Lady. Is it hot in here or is it just you? Or fever?

By Bob

July 20, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this

Our bullpen is beginning to look like 2006 all over again just as our starting pitching is beginning to look decent. I am afraid we overworked these guys in the first half.

By All Spin Zone

July 20, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Wow, Soriano has turned into gasoline hasn’t he?

By mr baseball

July 20, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

I hope all the 19th century lovers of small ball are happy. Willie bunts into an out and is thrown out stealing by one of the best catchers in the game while Edgar is forced to look at a very hittable pitch.

That is exactly why you don’t give up outs and why the steal is not the greatest piece of strategy to use when your best hitters are coming up. I guess all that was karmic payback for Cox sending the wrong pinch-hitter to the plate but getting the right result. No offense to Willie, but he does not need to be playing every day in LF the way Diaz is hitting and he isn’t.

Is Soriano ever going to get hitters out again in clutch situations? That was an unbelievably fat pitch he just threw to Encarnacion. Horacio Ramirez is looking better every day.

By Zone Spin All

July 20, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

A flat 95 mph fastball and a slider that breaks three inches. That’s not the exception anymore, it’s the rule.

That’s a recipe for disaster with big league hitters.

By Oh My

July 20, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

How long before Bobby realizes Soriano might need a few days off. Chuck basically shut down the Cardinals only allowing 1 run for 7 and Soriano gives up 2 in the first 3 batters he faces……

By Coach ( Walking The Dog , Literally)

July 20, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8

By Ed Glennon

July 20, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

Sorry DOB. I will never mention that song again.

By Steve from OH

July 20, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

Wow that was lucky. Hope Soriano can stop the bleedig here.

By StingerSplash

July 20, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Is that really Jorge Sosa in disguise on the mound? Did the Mets make some sort of CIA/KGB switcheroo during the all-star break?

By JasonInMaine

July 20, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Soriano does it again…for as good as he was the first couple of months, he has been equally as bad lately. To heck with Tex, try and get Millwood and Gagne from the Rangers!

By fastasballs

July 20, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this

Another fine start by Braves starter is going to waste once again. Is there something wrong with Soriano or is his arm just worn out? I assume worn out because he’s hanging the slider quite a bit.

One hole gets patched & another one appears out of no where.

Two innings left to get it done.

By JasonInMaine

July 20, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

Win 3, lose 3

Win 1, lose 1

(sigh)

We need another bat, a reliever, and a starter. If it takes Salty, so be it.

Regards,

Jason

By StingerSplash

July 20, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

DOB,

At least as I was driving to the liquor store after work the radio station I normally listen played “Ring of Fire,” courtesy of Social D. I followed that up by popping in Revolver so I could hear “Doctor Robert.” I didn’t know Soriano would drive me to drinking like I was a hot rod Lincoln.

By Spinning All

July 20, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this

As fastasballs said, plug a hole and another appears.

Ten runs last night and tonight, one. Pitcher throws a gem and like Smoltz the other day, has nothing to show for it.

Starting pitching doing an admirable job and the pen is starting to look like 2006.

I love baseball! lol

By beki

July 20, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this

Good Lord, James looked like the second coming of a young Smoltzie;then, Soriano ruins it with fat pitches over the middle of the plate.It is now Paronto’s turn to sour James’s outing and to give him a loss.Great going bullpen!

By bfan54

July 20, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

The vets on this blog - and you know who you are - obviously have a sense of entitlement which allows them to carry on conversations which have nothing to do with baseball or the MIB. They converse among themselves inflict their personalities and personal views ‘ad nauseum” upon the rest of us. Very much an “in crowd” kind of thing. The rest of us must suffer silently.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this

Have Soriano and Paronto been stopping off at the Varsity with Wicky? Chili Cheeseburgers and four pounds of ground round all around? Hold the lettuce?

Did Bobby send Diaz out for more?

Would another few runs have helped tonight? Maybe in the 9th we get a few?

So many questions.

By TampaBrave

July 20, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

I expect Soriano to get his s** together, but we can’t keep doing this rollercoater offensive ride. One day we’re scoring double figures, the next day we can barely muster a run. That’s why we need a consistent bat in the lineup. Forget that Soriano blew up, they still only have 3 runs, make that 4 runs, we should be scoring between 4 and 7 runs on a consistent basis. We will have lost 4 out of the last 5 because of lack of offensive production. Harris needs to hit the woody. Put KJ back in there at leadoff. C’mon JS make the move before we sink too far. The Met’s are about to go on a run.

By JasonInMaine

July 20, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Well, we have to rely on the Mets losing again…I really hope we don’t fall to 3.5 out again…getting swept by the Reds killed our momentum.

The team needs the aforementioned pieces as well as the ability to start winning after a loss. Obviously, we can’t win 3 and lose 3 and hope to gain ground.

I think JS will make a couple of moves before the deadline. We need to capitalize while we still have Smoltz & Chipper as well as Andruw.

Regards,

Jason

By beki

July 20, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

Well, Julio batted and a errant throw put him on base; otherwise, it would have been a routine double play and a rally buster. Okay,Frenchy scored! Two runs behind.Harris flies out. RATS!!

By mr baseball

July 20, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

We have 2 guys on the bench hitting more than 100 points higher than Methuselah, but does Cox send up a pinch-hitter? Of course not. Good rip by the old man. Would have been a DP if the Cards’ 2B could make the pivot. If he’s our regular 1B, lord help us.

Bobby Cox will probably go into the Hall of Fame, but anyone who watches him manage on a nightly basis can see clearly that the guy makes way too many suspect moves game in and game out to deserve the reputation as the best manager in baseball. Don’t know who is, but he dam sure ain’t.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this

We will never know what outcome we may have had if Diaz had started this game. Or if Salty had pinch hit for Julio and Diaz hit for Harris in the 9th.

Should’a could’a would’a. Just another classic Bobby Cox game. Or if…shyte. Nevermind.

By TampaBrave

July 20, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

Stop playing with your baseball cards and listen up. Salty has to go. He does not fit into the Brave’s plans. “Plugging” him into another position is NOT the answer. Quote every scout/expert you want. The scenario will not change. We need a big consistent stick in the middle of the lineup and we need it now. This lineup should be killing people, but we look anemic. Time for a little Supertramp…..

Goodbye Salty, it’s been nice, hope you find your Paradise.

By NA17

July 20, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

We are turning in another mediocre team… Julio Franco??? I’m just another fan who feel this city deserves a better team on the field like years ago… go ahead and spend some money!!!

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

bfan54 10:05: Geepers bfan…did you say something? Are you going to seek attention immediately after a tough loss? C’mon dude…better suffer in silence than post something meaningless, unfunny, untrue and without any purpose other than “what about me me me”.

mr baseball 10:16: We are in 100% agreement on every word of your post. Best game manager? Leyland.

By Coach ( Walking The Dog , Literally)

July 20, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this

We are a much better team with Julio Franco………..riiiiiigggghhhhhht , lol.

By Kim

July 20, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this

Some of you need to let up on the Cox bashing. Every loss is on Bobby Cox and when the Brave win, those same people heap priase on the players.

I am not one of those who thinks Cox can do no wrong, but you are giving the manager way to much credit on the outcome of the game. It is the players who deserve the praise and complaints - and this game is no different.

Sure sometimes a move Bobby makes backfires and it costs the Braves a run or two. But just as many times he makes a move that gets the Braves a run or two.

If you Cox bashers had such great vision with every single move, you’d be on the bench on your way into the Hall, not sitting on your couch drinking a beer.

No offense anyone. :)

By JasonInMaine

July 20, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Come on guys and gals. You are all (mostly all) intelligent people and knowledgeable about baseball. I like Julio as a person as much as most of you, and I like him on the team…as a coach! How many people really expect him to be a significant contributor down the stretch run? Exactly…next solution…

Regards,

Jason

By TampaBrave

July 20, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Escobar is the better seasoned player. Cuban baseball is said to be pretty intense. Bye Bye Salty!!!

By Carolina Lady

July 20, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

Savannah, I’ll fish with you all day long, but I just don’t believe in hunting wildlife unless you need food for the table. Heavens no, I don’t hate you or anybody else! Hate is a waste of energy!

I’ve been here and there all evening. Watched some of the game (James was GREAT!), had to go do some other things and was just catching up on some paperwork, took a break to catch up on the blog.

Hope you’re feeling better real soon!

By gotigers72

July 20, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

Yes, Diaz is vastly underrated, and it’s time for him to play on a regular basis. Not just because he’s tearing it up, but because he’s tearing it up against RIGHTHANDERS as well as LEFTHANDERS. Willie was 0 for 5 tonight, and tell me why in he** he bunted the ball to the 3rd baseman and not to the righthanded 1st baseman.

Willie is really in a horrible slump, takes too many good pitches, swings at too many bad pitches. Everybody is pitching him inside now, and he hasn’t adjusted even a little bit. Time for Diaz to play regularly.

That lefty against righty, righty against lefty stuff is for the most part overrated, although there are exceptions. Why in heck did the Braves intentionally walk Hatteberg [a lefthanded hitter], and pitch to Brandon Phillips [a righthanded hitter] the other day when Phillips has been white hot lately. Only because BC felt like he had to go by “the book”. Well, Phillips shoved “the book” right down the Braves throats. That’s a spot where you use common sense rather than “the book”. Common sense tells you to pitch to Hatteberg rather than to somebody that had been just raking lately.

By fastasballs

July 20, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

Why the hell when the Braves need a three run homer does Cox leave the one guy that can hit it sitting on the bench?

By tyyosh

July 20, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

Mr. Paladin,

Thank you for your response and explanation, and I for one sure noticed your change. Welcome back! (and belated but heartfelt thanks for your service to our country).

By gotigers72

July 20, 2007 10:54 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t Adam Wainwright look good in the Braves’ rotation right about now? Instead they got “Rent-A-Drew” for one year, while Wainwright will be at the top of the Cardinals’ rotation for many years.

Sure “Rent-A-Drew” helped the Braves win the division with the career year he had, but was it worth it? What do you think? To me, that’s the worst trade JS has made. Would have been a good trade if he had known Drew would have stuck around longer and produced like he did that year, but he didn’t, so that made it an especially bad trade.

By Coach ( Walking The Dog , Literally)

July 20, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this

On Wednesday Smoltz throws a gem , hit’s Bobby’s 100 pitch count limit , the bullpen comes in and blows it. Tonight was a Bobby Cox Deja Vu blue light special. Same sh** , different day.

By TampaBrave

July 20, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Exactly Fastasballs, I couldn’t agree more. Cox’s faith in Harris is misplaced, especially since he’s in a big slump.

JS>>>>> A Little Shalimar for you

“Make that move right now, baby”

TEX, TEX, TEX. TEX

Here’s the killa lineup

Yunel-2B Rent- SS CJ- 3B Switch AJ-CF Tex-1B Switch BMac-C Frenchy-RF KJ- LF

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this

Afterwards (a recap)

Bobby: I don’t know what happened. Jamesy threw good. Real good.

TP: Well, we just didn’t get enough runs Bobby.

Bobby: Sniff. Well, sniff…I thought Chucky had a good game. Not sure why we lost.

TP: Bobby, yes he did pitch very well. Two runs just didn’t do it.

Bobby: Yep, pitched good. Julio did good too.

TP: Yes they did.

Bobby: sniff. sniff. snifffff. snnnnif. Wainwright was unhittable tonight. Just gotta tip your cap, eh?

TP: Bobby, you got a cold?

Bobby: No. Just a little…I don’t know…something in there. Feels like a ring. I’ve been missing my ring…

TP: There’s a Kleenex right there.

Bobby: Oh, ok.

TP: Bobby, that’s your playbook you’re wiping that on.

Bobby: Hungh? Oh…yea.

TP: Who you gonna play tomorrow in left?

Bobby: I’m thinking Willy again. He’s a good kid.

TP: But he’s slumping and he’s really not that great of an outfielder. How about running Matt back out?

Bobby: Hmm..let me see…nope. Right here. I already have Willy penciled in.

TP: Really? Not Diaz?

Bobby: Yep…er, well…no, maybe not. That was just a little, uh, bugger or sumpthin.

TP: So who’s out there tomorrow?

Bobby: Uh…letsee…um…Thorman. Yea, Thor’s out there.

TP: You sure Bobby? I mean, he’s never…

Bobby: Did you see that kid get the hit tonight?

TP: Yeah, but…what about Diaz? He’s red hot.

Bobby: Maybe Woody at second…hmmmmmm

TP: Gotta go. Nite Bobby.

Bobby: Oh, TP…can you play shortstop?

By TampaBrave

July 20, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

Shaun must be standing in line at Barnes and Noble waiting for his Harry Potter book. We might not hear from him for a while. In fact, the blog seems a little light tonight. Most of the regulars must be there too because I know they aren’t on a date.

Hey guys, pick up a “Hitting for Dummies” book for Scott Thorman.

By brian

July 20, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

Salty or Escobar for Wainright?

By David O'Brien

July 20, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

That was not good.

Beyond the points you folks have already made, including Willie’s bunt and slump, and how do the Braves not score (again) after McCann’s leadoff double in the fourth, etc, I’ll add a couple stats from my game story just filed:

James is 1-4 with 3.02 ERA in his past seven home starts, and the Braves scored one or no runs while he was in five of those games….

Soriano pitched four times in the past seven days and came away with a loss and two blown saves while surrendering five runs and seven hits in 3-1/3 innings.

Cox was asked whether he was concerned about Soriano.

“Not really,” he said. “He’s throwing awful hard. It’s just location.”…

Nevertheless, Soriano has barely resembled the pitcher he was when posting an 0.42 ERA and .074 opponents’ average in 21 games April 22 to June 14. He gave up five hits and one earned run allowed in 21-1/3 innings in that torrid stretch.

In 15 games since, he’s recorded a 6.75 ERA and .345 opponents’ average, getting tagged for 20 hits and 10 earned runs in 13-1/3 innings

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

Kim 10:40: You are completely, absolutely wrong. I was on the couch having a white russian. Not beer. Sheesh.

Carolina Lady Oh, I feel better already. But wait a minute…you have never tried my award-winning deer chili. It is the best. Much better than that old hamburger you buy at the Publix. How am I gonna make you some if I can’t…oh well.

Anyway, fishing it is. You pick, freshwater for bass (all catch release), or salt (catch what we want to eat and release the rest). It’s all good.

By Ron

July 20, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this

I hope nobody is surprised we lost this game!!! This is what happens this whole year whether its great pitching by the starter and the bullpen gives it up, or Bad starting pitching and the bullpen keeps us in the game and then we still lose, or we get Great starting pitching and Great Bullpen work and NO OFFENSE, OR Alot of Offense and ABSOLUTELY no pitching whatsoever and we end up losing!!! That is what this team has done the WHOLE ENTIRE YEAR!!! I sure hope nobody was surprised we lost this game, because I aint!!! Oh yeah IF we make major moves, we Have to Get a Good Starter, A Good Lefy Reliever, AND an OFFENSIVE PLAYER!!! IF WE DONT GET ALL THREE THEN DO NOT GIVE UP THE FARM FOR ONE PLAYER!!! Our team needs more than JUST ONE MORE GOOD PLAYER!!! I still have hope for the Braves, BUT this is how we have played the whole year, and I dont see it changing!!!!!

By fastasballs

July 20, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this

It’s not bashing the manager to question moves he does or doesn’t make. It’s no different than questioning decisions our President makes or any government offical for that matter. If it’s decisions made about something you care about you are going to disagree from time to time with the person making them.

I’ll agree the players decide the outcome of the game most of the time, but every game that is close will have those moments when a manager can tip the game one way or the other. I counted two of those moments tonight, Willie running on a 2-0 count with Edgar in the box & the opportunity to send Salty to the plate with two on in the 9th down by three. Another near moment was when Soriano was getting smacked around nobody was warming in the pen until two runs had scored & runners were on 1st & 3rd with no out. The double play took that non decision out of play, but without it 2-3 more runs could have scored virtually ending the game then. I did miss a few innings while out picking up dinner so I may have missed something.

Anyone on this blog that follows the Braves knows Cox will sometimes make bad decisions when it matters the most. He’s loyal to his players, but that can have as much of a negative impact as a positive one.

By TampaBrave

July 20, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

Mets will certainly win tonight facing Tomko. 3 1/2 after tonight.

JS

Will you wait till we are 7 1/2?

Do the deal!!!!

If not now, when????????????

DOB, stop by his suite and give him a little motivation tomorrow. Act like you got a pair.

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 20, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this

From one ‘Marine’ to another—or is it fighter pilot today…or girl scout cookie maybe…or just some old fart trying to make up for lost time…let’s have those ‘directions’…TheJackAss owes you a little debt…and wants to pay up…in person…f***’ punkass jerk!!!…

By David O'Brien

July 20, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this

To elaborate on the Willie Harris slide: He’s 8-for-51 (.157) with no extra-base hits, no RBIs in his past 18 games, and he has eight strikeouts in his past three games.

By fastasballs

July 20, 2007 11:29 PM | Link to this

*Cox was asked whether he was concerned about Soriano.

“Not really,” he said. “He’s throwing awful hard. It’s just location.”…*

Cox is either lying or blind. His fastball is straight & his slider is hanging way too much. Soriano has been lights out most of the year, but he’s tired. Either stop using him or DL him if you wish to have him back to form for the rest of the season.

St. Louis is a weak hitting club & they beat him all over the park. Rest assured though he’ll trot him right back out there tomorrow in the 8th if it’s close.

By Coach ( Walking The Dog , Literally)

July 20, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this

Mark this statement in time : The Wainwright/Marquis trade for J.D.Drew will eventually go down as the worst trade in the history of the Atlanta Braves. Drew got us two more post-season wins in 2004. Wainwright is wearing a new ring and beat us tonight. Marquis is pitching well in Chicago and every time one of them wins a game this trade gets a little worse. One last potshot , Buddy Carlyle went 1-1 with a 1.69 ERA in spring training and the Braves sent him to Richmond and signed Mark Redman. Reverse that decision and the Braves are in first place as we speak. JS and Bobby are directly responsible Bob.

By Savannah Guy

July 20, 2007 11:33 PM | Link to this

Tommorrow (Pre-cap)

JS: Bobby, how are you?

Bobby: Good boss. You?

JS: Fine. Uh, what’s your strategy tonight?

Bobby: Whats that Johhny?

JS: Strategy…uh, who are you playing in left?

Bobby: Thought Thorman. Good kid. Got a hit last night.

JS: Thorman? He’s never played…

Bobby: Maybe Willy

JS: What about Diaz? He’s hot.

Bobby: Oh, yeah, Matty. Well, he spit on my shoe the other day, so…um, I mean…yeah, he’s good. But he already is playing well so I thought the other guys needed a little practice.

JS: Are you serious? Hitting well so you sit him?

Bobby: Gotta keep everybody sharp. A rising tide raises all boats.

JS: But Bobby…don’t know how to tell you this but, uh, the tide is receding my friend. It’s an outgoing tide. The water is rushing out of this river…fast. We need wins now. Who’s going to want to come pitch for this team if we keep losing? We need to throw our hottest bats out there.

Bobby: The tide is going out?

JS: That’s just an analogy Bobby.

Bobby: Oh…oh, yeah…um…ok. I read ya loud and clear boss.

JS: So? Who’s starting tomorrow?

Bobby: Thor at first, Woody at second, Willy LF, Orr at 3rd and maybe TP at short. The rest are good.

JS: Bobby, did you hear a word I said?

Bobby: Heck boss, no disrespect, but it’s already in the playbook. Can’t change that. Besides, didn’t you say it was gonna be a rainout anyway?

Chauncey Gardener: I like to watch.

By Serge

July 20, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

Please, Please tell me Bobby will either start Matt every day or Move Kelly up in the order.

Willies done.

Also please tell me Julio wont start anymore. Its like a bad nightmare

By mr baseball

July 20, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this

The post-‘91 Braves will likely land several individuals in the Hall of Fame, at least 2 of whom will be inducted as non-players. As an equal opportunity armchair critic, let’s aim a few barbs at our alleged genius GM.

Schuerholz made his rep in Atlanta (deservedly) for his work the first 3 or 4 years he was on the job. He made 4 brillians moves (signing Pendleton & Maddux, trading for McGriff & Marquis) and played an undeniably huge role in the team’s sudden rise from worst to first. He also brought in the person who pretty much lost the ‘92 World Series singlehandedly (Reardon), but his track record up until Spring training of ‘97 was just about flawless.

For the last 10 years, however, beginning with that awful week in March a decade ago — when he dealt Grissom, Justice & Dye in the same week for what amounted to not much more than nothing — he has had as many misses as hits, maybe more. He made some good moves here and there (trades for Neagle & Boone, signing Jordan & Gallaraga), but his mistakes (the 2 March ‘97 trades, the truly horrendous Boone/Klesko trade with the Padres after the ‘99 Series) hurt the team much more than his shrewd moves helped.

In recent years, JS has taken to trading just about every promising young arm to come up through the farm system for short term benefit (Sheffield, Drew, Farnsworth, Kolb????; well, 3 out of 4), and we’ve seen the effects the past few seasons. He’s made some very astute moves the past few years (Hudson & Renteria primarily), but there have been plenty that have gone bad, with the Gonzalez/LaRoche trade looking quite bad for the forseeable future. And his minor off-season moves this year have all been failures except Willie.

He let the bullpen implode in 2005-06, waiting until it was too late last year to do something about it. For some reason, he left the team without a first baseman for 3 or 4 years after Gallaraga left until LaRoche came along, and now the Braves have a sizeable hole at the position again, thanks to him.

His defenders point to the team’s shrinking payroll, but he made the decision to jettison the young pitchers and bring in Hampton, knowing he had almost $45 million left on his contract the last 3 seasons he was going to be here. He’s found the $ for Hudson & Smoltz, and to his credit, would not offer big bucks to aging pitchers who were past their peaks (Glavine, Maddux, Ortiz) or injuries waiting to happen (Jaret Wright). But the team is still left with some shaky spots in the rotation, which was the heart of the team for a decade.

The farm system has produced so many talented position players that his less than stellar efforts over the last decade have mostly escaped scrutiny in the local media. But there is a reason this team has been headed gradually downhill since ‘96, and he is the primary person responsible.

When he had a very flexible budget and other teams were cash-strapped, he was a terrific GM. Now that the Braves are on the same level as most teams and below some others, he isn’t so smart any more. Funny how that works.

Don’t expect any last minute rabbits to spring from under his hat. The doofus Cleveland GM was nice enough to donate Wickman last year. It’s unlikely anyone will be as accommodating this time around.

By ElMeridionalGatoAsno

July 20, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this

Increible!…

By TampaBrave

July 20, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this

Damn that Harry Potter. Not enough Major League bloggers in the house tonight.

Call me spoiled, but I want my 1st baseman and I want him now. I’m gonna hold my breath until I get what I want. Hurry JS, I’m turning pink!!

By CL Dodgson

July 20, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this

Bobby In Wonderland

‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. “Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!” He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought— So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. “And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!” He chortled in his joy. ‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.

By Ron

July 20, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave I see what you are saying, BUT we need more than just Tex!!! We have to get another Good Starter, and A Lefty reliever or getting Tex was for nothing!!! If we get Tex we have to get the Starter and Lefty reliever or dont even think about Tex!!! I sure hope you dont think that the Tex acqusition alone will put us in the playoffs, because IF you think that then you are just plain misguided!!!!!!!!!

By Señor Blanco

July 20, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this

¿Dónde es el periodista Jimmy Smith?

¿Él dañó su dedo del pie? ¿Él comió un poco de mal queso? ¿Jamón putrefacto?

¡Oh, la humanidad!

By mr baseball

July 21, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy: I’ve said some unkind things about the manager, but Chauncey Gardner? That’s harsh. Funny as he!!, but borderline cruel. The truth does hurt.

Good call a few nights back regarding my unwarranted comments about JJS. Was in a bad mood. Just wanted to razz him a little about an off-hand observation he made and strayed where I shouldn’t have gone. My bad.

If Willie & Julio are in the lineup tomorrow, I believe we should start referring to BC as Chance the Manager. At least Peter Sellers isn’t around any more to get offended.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 12:13 AM | Link to this

Mr Baseball,

Well put. I still cringe when I think of trading for a washed up Jeff Reardon, who was torched really bad in the AL that year, similar to Redman with us this year.

Then, to run him out against Toronto who had torched him throughout the year was insane. The Blue Jays were licking their beaks, especially Howard Sprague. It still disgusts me watching Pat Borders mock the chop against Glavine after he hit the game winning HR in game 6. Could have easily won that series with a competant reliever

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this

Señor Blanco Le silence vertébral indispose la voile licite.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 12:14 AM | Link to this

mrbaseball Well I dont think JS is a stupid GM, yes he has mad some bonehead trades, But what he never does before this year was strengthen the bench or get good relievers!!! He never did neither one of those two things in previous years, and the Bench still sucks this year, he finally upgraded the relievers But we had to trade our First baseman for him!!! I said before that trade was made that it was stupid, I mean Gonzalez missed all of september last year because of his arm and we STILL traded our First Baseman for him!!! How stupid can you get!!! I know that when Gonzalez is healthy he is TOP 5 Lefty out of the Bullpen in the Majors, but that is when he is healthy!!! And dont you get sick and tired of everyone saying that a Good First Baseman is a DIME A DOZEN!!! I get soooo sick of hearing that!!! For some reason we dont do too good in that area, and when we FINALLY do, we trade him!!! Makes you laugh!!! And then I am hearing by some that We would have never brought up Salty to play 1st Base, well it seems like JS is trying to deal him for a Very Good Young Pitcher, so if he does that, We are right back with BELOW AVERAGE OFFENSE AT FIRST BASE AGAIN!!! But anyway I will not call JS an idiot, but he has made some questionable moves that are downright pathedic!!! Oh yeah arent we trying to trade for a Lefty Specialist, UHHHH didn’t we just trade one to the Tigers for a Lefty that CANT GET OUT LEFTIES!!!!!! I know McBride struggled, BUT at least he could get out the damn lefties!!! Let me ask you a question IF JS does not trade for a Lefty reliever that can get out lefties how many teams have won a World Series in the last 20 years that did not have a Good Lefty reliever that can get the lefties out?

By Curt

July 21, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this

Music question DOB

I was wondering if you had heard of a little Canadian band named Stars? They are touring for the first time in a while and will be coming to the varity playhouse in ATL in October.

By HP

July 21, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

That was a tough loss. I have been saying again and again when a player is playing well he needs to be in lineup everyday. Even a 6th grader could understand that Diaz needs to play everyday. Why does Bobby Cox does not understand that Harris needs to sit. KJ needs to be batting lead off spot when he is playing 2B. Another thing is that Soriano has been used to much this year already. He needs couple days off. Give him please so we can win otherwise we will be in trouble. The reason Bobby has to use his bullpen too much lately is not because the starters are not going into deep games, but he is not allowing them to go into deep games. Thursday, Tim Hudson pitched 7 innings with 93 pitches. He could have gone to complete the game and braves could have save the bullpen for today’s game. It is not rocket science that you need to understand. When a player has a chance to complete game then allow him to complete game.

Has anyone tried the new ”Cocaine” energy drink? What does it taste like?

By Steve Bummer

July 21, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this

In his article about Buddy Carlyle, Steve Hummer asks the question:

Now, how will Buddy Carlyle swallow his long overdue tablespoon of fame?

Actually, Steve settled on this after rejecting the following:

1) Now, how will Buddy Carlyle chew his tasty but overcooked enchilada of fame?

2) Now, how will Buddy Carlyle toke his well-rolled spliff of fame?

3) Now, how will Buddy Carlyle grill his well-marinated kebob of fame?

4) Now, how will Buddy Carlyle pay his long overdue parking ticket of fame?

By Drummerdad

July 21, 2007 12:26 AM | Link to this

Nice to see Julio back. I think he’s been 48 for about 5 years now. Maybe if he takes his shirt off, grabs that big bat of his and stands by Andruw’s locker he can scare or inspire some consistent productivity into the boy.

The Mets are like the Republicans when they were the majority party in DC. They have the power, but don’t know what to do with it.

Maybe Arthur Blank and Liberty Media could get together and arrange a Falcons for Braves swap right about now. One just acquired an enterprise that is swirling in mediocrity and needs capital infusion, and the other is going to need some serious image management over the next year or so. Sounds like they’re tailor made for each other.

The Braves need another fire in the press box and a Crime Dog acquisition. A lightning strike…

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 12:29 AM | Link to this

mr baseball11:44: Good post. Sad but true, hard but fair. Oh the memories. End o’ the day, it’s easy to look like a GM genius with Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux in the decade that was. Hell, I was a genius with tech stocks in the 90’s. Only to find out how stupid I was in April 2000.

Kudos for the JJS acknowledgement and apology. Hey, I’m sure he was cool. But still…good to clear it.

By Señor Blanco

July 21, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

Individuo de la sabana: ¿Un barco borracho?

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this

Before I forget it, DOB’s headline was foretelling:

Diaz is Braves’ hidden gem

Yes. Well hidden. Oh, the irony!

By Coach ( Walking The Dog , Literally)

July 21, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this

Mr. Baseball , well spoken . Just one little error. Marquis was not traded for , he was the Braves 1st round (35th overall) pick in the 1996 draft.

By bravesfan

July 21, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

From FOXSPORTS

Braves trying to deal for Reds Arroyo? The Braves have been trying to swing a deal for Reds right-hander Bronson Arroyo. But the Reds’ asking price so far has been too steep — they’ve asked that top hitting prospect Jarrod Saltalamacchia be included in the deal, and the Braves don’t want to deal Saltalamacchia, who may be their regular first baseman for the rest of the season.

By Señor Blanco

July 21, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this

Andruw Jones me recuerda el muchacho de la pasta de Pillsbury.

By bravesfan

July 21, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this

From FOXSPORTS

Braves trying to deal for Reds Arroyo? The Braves have been trying to swing a deal for Reds right-hander Bronson Arroyo. But the Reds’ asking price so far has been too steep — they’ve asked that top hitting prospect Jarrod Saltalamacchia be included in the deal, and the Braves don’t want to deal Saltalamacchia, who may be their regular first baseman for the rest of the season.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this

Ron

I don’t think its misguided when you look at all the games we’ve lost because we could not get a timely hit. This lineup is missing one piece, a good hitting 1st baseman. Somebody rolled out the stats the other night(I think DOB) that showed how we fared in offensive categories by position. We were last in the league at first base and very low in left field. All the rest were in the top three. That’s pretty potent. I think a KJ/Diaz/Escobar trifecta involving LF and 2B would cure LF and Tex would be just the spark we need to ignite us. I can’t help but think about the 1993 team and how they were good hitters, but were not scoring the runs. We get McGriff and everyone just lights it up. I think we came back from 10 games to win that year. Sometimes ,all it takes is one guy to balance the lineup.

As for the pitching, I still think we’ll be OK. Except for that stretch against the AL(Detroit & Boston), the pitching has been OK. Yeah a few blown saves, but the exception, not the norm.

We lost 4-2 tonight and Soriano will get the blame, but we should be scoring 5 runs a game. 2 runs….You don’t win too many games scoring two runs. Soriano is not the real culprit here even though he pitched poorly.

Here’s a stat. The Braves have scored 3 runs or less in 37 games this year. Many of those were close games. This lineup is too good to be performing like that. This indicates less of a pitching problem and more a hitting one. Look back at the scores and you’ll realize what I say is true.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this

HP 12:22: “Has anyone tried the new ”Cocaine” energy drink? What does it taste like?”

Well, I haven’t tried it, but I understand that it has a chemical taste…kind of like chalk and bleach with a little artificial sweetner mixed in. But it’s not about taste. After you snort…er, drink a few, you’ll hook up with some buds, stay up all night talking up a storm, telling your life story, slamming scotch, chain-smoking cigs, reciting your favorite jokes, playing pool or darts or cards, playing dj with all your favorite tunes and then about 5:00 in the morning you try to decide whether to dig a hole somewhere and crawl inside or just drink a few more and go fishing.

Other than that, it’s a refreshing little beverage.

By Todd A

July 21, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

“We need another bat, a reliever, and a starter. If it takes Salty, so be it.”

It’s going to take a heck of a lot more than Salty to fill the holes on this team.One of the biggest holes is between Bobby’s ears.Hey…. here’s a great idea:Let’s put a tired armed struggling reliever into a tie game.Brilliant.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 12:56 AM | Link to this

SUrprise, Surprise

Roberto Hernandez gives up double to Reyes then throws bunt sacrifice into right field. followed up by 2Run HR by Beltran. 4-1 Mets in 8th.

3 1/2 games back

JS, how long will you wait?

By Supertramp

July 21, 2007 1:03 AM | Link to this

” Goodbye Salty,

It’s been nice.

Hope you find your

Paradise.”

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

bravesfan I say give’em Salty and Pepper and a cherry on top. Do the deal.

bravesfan bravesfan Ditto Ditto (since since you you posted posted twice twice). Or am I seeing double?

Coach (Dog walker) Good catch. Impressive recall. Hey…think it’s time to drop the paren multi-subtitles? Go ahead.

Señor Blanco Andruw was a tubby little Doughboy rally killer tonight. A Michellin man. Has he been hanging with Wicky? How many sports cars does Dru have in that driveway? Obsessive? Compulsive?

By Daryl Strawberry

July 21, 2007 1:06 AM | Link to this

Did someone say “cocaine”? Give me your address.

By Todd A

July 21, 2007 1:07 AM | Link to this

The Neagle deal wasn’t that great either mr. baseball.He had no impact on the playoffs that year.He couldn’t hold a 6 run lead in the infamous Wohlers-Leyritz game.I agree that he helped a great deal in ‘97 when he won 20 games,but Jason Schmidt was a much better pitcher over the next 5 years.We needed bench and bullpen help in ‘96,not a 5th starter.The division title was already won.When Louis Polonia is one of the 1st guys off the bench,that is a red flag.Schuerholz has been notorious for leaving the Braves one or two moves short of a team capable of winning the WS since his arrival.

By N8

July 21, 2007 1:14 AM | Link to this

mr. baseball

“…beginning with that awful week in March a decade ago — when he dealt Grissom, Justice & Dye in the same week for what amounted to not much more than nothing”

While I for the most part agree with you, let’s not forget two things about that trade:

1) Without making that deal, JS claims one or the other of Maddux and Glavine would NOT have been resigned. Since the two of them (Maddux and Glavine) both remained on the Braves roster until 2002, I’d hardly say that that trade ammounted to nothing.

2) If I’m not mistaken, we had a young OF named Andruw Jones ready to step in and do quite a bit for us, not to mention that had Kenny Lofton NOT been such a club-house whiner, he would’ve been a FANTASTIC leadoff hitter for the Braves for a few years following that trade. But JS couldn’t get him out of town fast enough, letting him leave via free agency after the 97 season. Or did you forget that when he (Lofton) was actually healthy at the beginning of that season (along with Tucker in the number 2 hole), that the offense was as explosive as it ever was or has ever been since? In 53 April and May games in 2007, Lofton had 79 hits in 229 AB’s (.344), scored 43 runs, and stole 17 bases. Tucker in that same stretch had 60 hits in 183 AB’s (.323), knocking in 20 RBI in April alone! During those 53 games the Braves went 36-17, scoring 261 runs (4.92 per game). Of course the pitching staff only allowed 172 runs in those 53 games (3.24 runs per game), so it was team effort. But as soon as Lofton got hurt, it trickled down. Then after the season he went back to Cleveland. THAT is not JS’s fault. IMO, he made the right move at that time. No regrets.

But other than that you are correct. :-) With 3 HOF pitchers in your rotation, and Chipper Jones in your lineup, it would be hard to not be able to construct a winning team around those pieces.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 1:17 AM | Link to this

Señor Blanco 12:31: Si. Severaloso…mmm…uno, dos, tres…quatros, porcay probablysimo sinco whiteolongo russianosos. Mucho barrachio tardes. Que el mudo, si va acabar, si? No, no…justimo a piccito loco en vacaciono. Mamasito ees very grande simpatico, eh?

By N8

July 21, 2007 1:19 AM | Link to this

Hey, Señor Blanco

El f*******’ off o’.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 1:21 AM | Link to this

TampaBrave Well you are more misguided than I thought!!! We dont need pitching, I cant believe you said that!!! Screw Tex, We need another Solid starter, AND a Lefty reliever that can get out LEFTIES!!! If we can get those two done, then that would be solid!!! If we just get the Tex deal done then that is plain pathedic!!! Tex is a little too overated!! He is good, but he aint gonna change everything!!! I do admit we have to get another offensive player, and first would be the position, but lets get the two pitchers and then if we can get Tex then do it, but if not get a guy like Conine or Wiggington!!!

By StingerSplash

July 21, 2007 1:21 AM | Link to this

That bad thing is losing to a Cardinals team that, aside from Pujols, really doesn’t have anyone that strikes fear into you. Duncan’s OK. Edmonds isn’t the player he once was, or once he thought he was (kinda of a hot dog, you know). Maybe it’s time to put Willie back in the 8-hole and have Kelly hit leadoff.

By Todd A

July 21, 2007 1:28 AM | Link to this

“1) Without making that deal, JS claims one or the other of Maddux and Glavine would NOT have been resigned. Since the two of them (Maddux and Glavine) both remained on the Braves roster until 2002, I’d hardly say that that trade ammounted to nothing.”

I remember that comment by Schuerholz too,but I don’t buy it.Ted didn’t put financial restraints on the club at that time.IF JS and BC wanted Justice,Maddux,and Glavine,I’m sure Ted would have given them the money.David was outspoken,and he wasn’t one of Bobby’s guys.I think it was as simple as that.I hate to agree with Terrance Moore here,but Justice didn’t fit in with the all business-like(wink wink)club house Cox likes to employ.That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

By HP

July 21, 2007 1:28 AM | Link to this

Señor Blanco: Conseguir del blog por favor. No podemos entenderte español.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 1:32 AM | Link to this

Señor Blanco: furtherisimo, porque pork, eh? Por favor amigo, el littlisimo songolongo un a poemisimo minyana? Piccito frio toesemble un piessimafritos un cheesealitos, es mejor verde mas tarde canunca?

By DasSudlichWagenheberEsel

July 21, 2007 1:41 AM | Link to this

Unglaublich!!!…

By The Truth Hurts

July 21, 2007 1:42 AM | Link to this

As for Mr. Baseball’s 11:44pm post.

That is ridiculous. And, Savannah Guy, as much as I usually appreciate your contribution, a “good post” it was not.

I think some of you have a distorted sense of entitlement here in Braves Land. You acknowledge that JS signed Maddux (who as I remember enjoyed the city’s golf courses and took less money here than he could have taken with the Yanks), Pendleton (at the end of his career—and won a batting title with an avg. of about .319, I believe), and McGriff—the one move that without a doubt catapulted the team to 104 wins back in ‘93. Now, you’re going to blame him for one player’s performance in the ‘92 WS (Reardon)? Is this a joke? A GM puts together a team that fits with organizational philosophy (and pay), but is decidedly NOT responsible for HOW they perform once on the field. You assemble a team based on past results—from the minors on up. If you produce, you get promoted, or traded for—you don’t hold responsible a GM for, say, Reardon’s failures in Game 2 of the ‘92 WS (I think we had some chances to win after being tied 1-1 in that series, no?). You hold the Manager accountable for how he employs the players he has on his team. And, as we all know, Cox is more than deserving of some of the postseason scorn for failures based on who he decided to play for whatever reason he gave at the time.

Hard but fair? Is that a sick joke? Lord, what would some of you be like if we hadn’t gone to 14 straight playoffs? My gosh. Talk about spoiled brats.

Do I even have to say that no GM is going to “hit” on all of his moves. Can you name me one who has? In the last 10 years? In the last century? With a $200 million payroll, even?

What is your definition of success? His stategy has “hurt the team much more than his shrewd moves have helped.” That’s so inane that I can’t believe it was even typed by a fan who was paying attention. I’m glad you don’t live in Oakland, or Kansas City…maybe you should move away and then type the drivel that amounts to “JS isn’t perfect.” Really? That’s brilliant. Let’s see how you like the moves of Billy Beane, or Williams, or Wrigley, or Cashman, or Moore, or whoever is in Fla. at the moment.

The last substantive trade JS made with a “promising” young arm was for Tim Hudson! What a steal! Have you heard much of Dan “what’s his face” lately? Everybody around baseball couldn’t believe how JS fleeced Beane in Oakland. Do you miss Charles Thomas? He’s probably available. Or you could buy a real cheap ticket to sit up close and see him in the dugout in Oakland.

“Short-term benefit” is what you do on a hard spending cap. Do you pay attention to how, say, Oakland and Florida, Kansas City, and Minnesota operate? They draft well, hope they all click together in a window of one or two years, and then are forced to trade them off when they come up for big money. That necessitates the moves for Drew (who had his best year here, by the way), Farnsworth (who was good here, as well), Sheffield, etc.

Do you miss Andy Marte all that much? Maybe we should give Renteria back.

Do you know how many doctors checked out Gonzalez before the Braves traded for him? Do you think that trade would’ve gone through if one guy said, “you know what, he’s a ticking time bomb…sooner or later…” Sure, advantage Pirates this year. Do you have a crystal ball to see into the future? LaRoche was probably the ONE commodity the Braves had that was prized by others—time will tell how it all finally settles out. Do you know anything about Lillibridge, or how Gonzalez will contribute in the next few years?

It seems like you want an all-star lineup at every position, esp. 1st, which is a glamour spot. That’s simply not feasible with $80 million in this market. Does Minny have one at every spot? Hasn’t hurt them in recent years. It’s impractical and stupid to complain about. You pick and choose. It’s that simple. Go get Texiera. Fine. Then get rid of Renteria or Hudson or the Jones’.

“…and now the Braves have a sizeable hole at that position—1B—thanks to him.”

Are you that naive? Really?

It’s about trade-offs.

Repeat after me…”trade-offs. Trade-offs. Trade-offs.” Go to the Bronx if you don’t want those.

“The team is still left with some shaky spots in the rotation…”

THREE hall of famers in ONE rotation happens how often in your lifetime? Twice, maybe? This is how it works. Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz was the anomaly, not the norm. Has it happened since? Anywhere?

You actually typed the following: “The farm system has produced so many talented position players that his less than stellar efforts over the last decade have mostly escaped scrutiny in the local media. But there is a reason this team has been headed gradually downhill since ‘96, and he is the primary person responsible.”

14 straight playoff appearances and the team has headed downhill since ‘96?

DOB, someone, wake me from this nightmare that is the Braves. Quick.

That, perhaps, is the most convoluted logic I have ever read on this blog—and, trust me, that’s saying a lot.

“When he had a very flexible budget and other teams were cash-strapped, he was a terrific GM. Now that the Braves are on the same level as most teams and below some others, he isn’t so smart any more. Funny how that works.”

To the contrary, JS has proven himself to be every bit as imaginative and creative in dealing with a limited payroll as anyone in professional sports. Again, what is your standard of success?

I apologize for the length of this post. However, do you live in La La Land with Mr. Baseball, too? We should be soooo thankful we have JS as a GM that we aren’t blinded by his “misses,” which the last time I checked EVERY single GM in any sport or other business has.

What more do you want from the front office? The teams are assembled to make the playoffs, that’s all. It’s up to the players and the manager to perform well in October. Sadly, too often neither has lived up to their regular season achievements. But that is clearly and definitively NOT the GM’s fault.

With friends like some bloggers, who needs enemies?

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 1:46 AM | Link to this

Ron,

Again, you ignored the facts I gave you. Our Pitching ERA is 4.15, which qualifies us as 8th in the league. IMO, we have not seen the best from our staff yet. Despite being 8th, we are not that far from 2nd, about .25 to be exact and San Diego is well above the rest. Well, we always seem to handle San Diego fine, so what does that ERA mean really. It means that if we can overtake the Mets and win our Division or wild card, we have a decent shot at beating these other teams. Again, 37 games scoring 3 or less runs. THAT IS OUR PROBLEM. We win 1/4 of those games and we are in first place.

The pitching thing is relative. We could use another starter and a lefty reliever, but everybody is short pitching somewhere and there is a short supply. The Mets starting staff is thin. The Phils have a couple of talented guys, but alot of scrubs too. We are relatively even with them on pitching. We are leaving too many runners out there. FACTS, MY MAN. Just the facts!!

By Ron

July 21, 2007 1:48 AM | Link to this

The sad thing about two of his trades is that Justice hit that Game winning homer in the World Series, I think he was a pretty good playoff hitter for the most part, and JS traded LaRoche a guy that hit Extremely well in the playoffs!!! What he should have done is traded the dud players that did nothing in the playoffs, and BELIEVE ME WE HAD PLENTY OF THOSE!!!

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 1:50 AM | Link to this

Gore’s son charged with marijuana possession? Well, that does it. The earth is warming and now the whole Gore family has gone green.

(sardonic observation is not politics)

On the morrow denizens…Good nite Mary Jane and Alice B.

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 1:52 AM | Link to this

how come all u educated braves fans will not call out FRANCOUER 9 EXTRA BASE HITS AT HOME ALL YEAR. This from a guy that plays a power position. A TWO RUN HOMER WOULD BE NICE EVERY NOW AND THEN.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

More intresting batting stats:

4th in OBP

3rd in NL in grounding into double plays.

5th in strikeouts

4th in runners left on base

Need I say more????

The evidence is overwhelming

By MS

July 21, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this

Well said, The Truth Hurts. I whole-heartedly agree. It is definitely frustrating listening to the (baseless and ignorant) comments you referred to, and others like them, over and over again. I normally just try my best to ignore them.

By bravesfan

July 21, 2007 1:59 AM | Link to this

From FOXSPORTS

**Trade Thorman, Andrus, and Paronto for Teixeira but I highly doubt they would do that who do yall think we should trade for him if at all?

The Braves’ biggest need is a No. 3 starter to slot behind righties John Smoltz and Tim Hudson, but they long have liked Teixeira, who played college ball in Atlanta at Georgia Tech.

Club officials insist they will not trade infielder Yunel Escobar or catcher/first baseman Jarrod Saltalamacchia in a package for Teixeira, who is a free agent after next season. But Escobar and Saltalamacchia aren’t their only quality prospects.

The Braves have outfielder Brandon Jones at Class AA, shortstop Elvis Andrus and outfielder Jordan Schafer at Class A and several power arms in their system. They also could include first baseman Scott Thorman in a deal for Teixeira.

By mr baseball

July 21, 2007 2:00 AM | Link to this

Coach: was referring to Marquis Grissom, not Jason Marquis. Not sure why I referred to the CF by his first name. I guess ‘cause I saw him play a little football and baseball in high school and he has such a distinctive first name. Pretty good option QB at Lakeshore I think it was. Not such a great pitcher.

N8: I never totally bought into the excuse regarding Maddux & Glavine as leading to the Justice/Grissom trade. But even giving Schuerholz the benefit of the doubt, it was an awful trade because the Braves got very, very little in return for 2 All-Star caliber OFs with affordable contracts and some good years left.

The Braves knew Lofton was in the last year of his contract and would not easily fit into the Braves somewhat stodgy clubhouse atmosphere. I think they brought him in as a rental, knowing that Andruw was about ready to take over in CF. Think of the trade as Grissom for Lofton even up, which leaves Justice being dealt for Embree. He was a promising, hard thrower lefty at the time, but that is a ridiculosly one-sided deal, even more so than Millwood for Estrada seemed when it was made. JS has not had a lot of success trading for LH relievers (see Gonzalez), although Remlinger did work out pretty nicely.

Eventually, the Braves replaced Justice with Brian Jordan, but they could have gotten a lot more than they did for two OFs of that caliber. That was my main problem with the deal.

Everybody has one trade in the last 15+ years they think is the GM’s worst, and I seem to be the only person on the planet who thinks it was the Klesko/Boone swap for, as Keith Olbermann might say, Worse, Worser and Worst.

Before the Justice/Grissom trade, the Braves were a highly competitive but not entirely successful post-season team. They never played a really bad playoff series til ‘97, after the trade. There have been too many to mention since. After making it to the World Series for the last time in ‘99, JS unloaded Klesko and Boone for, as Elvis Costello might say, Less Than Zero, and have won exactly 1 (ONE… UNO) playoff series since.

Like Kennedy assassination buffs obsessing over insignificant details, I have formulated a theory that those trades (Dye’s deal included) led directly to the Braves’ gradual decline beginning in ‘97. I may be way off base, but I can sure as heck argue my point ‘til the cows come home.

It’s 2 a.m. and the British Open is on the tube shortly. Gotta get some sleep.

Catching the end of “AI” on TNT. If that isn’t the most depressing movie of all time, it’s on the short list. Terrific flick, but I wonder how many kids were scarred for life by it.

By P-Town Brave

July 21, 2007 2:01 AM | Link to this

Unfortunately the Mets are on their way to putting us out by 3.5 games

This w/ us having only 2 more games before hitting the road to the west coast for a 7-game trip…

Along w/ that, the Mets have been on the west coast against the two best teams out west, the Dodgers and Padres, and we’ve actually lost ground!

To make matters worse, we’ve been playing at home against 3 of the worst teams in the NL and have managed to go 4-4 so far on the homestand. Yes, 4-4, and once again as I stated we are LOSING ground. Seems as though this team can’t be motivated on a consistent basis, and certainly not against the lower league teams.

While we go on the road to San Francisco and Arizona, the Mets will be enjoying a nice 7-game homestand against Pittsburgh and Washington… Fairly put, we’re way too inconsistent and we’re not going anywhere but backwards…

Anyone who thinks we’re getting back into this without making a move is beyond delusional!

Anyone who thinks that we shouldn’t have made a move about a week ago while the Mets were on the west coast are delusional!

And anyone who thinks this team will do ANYTHING of note the way the roster shapes up now for the rest of this year…yeah, you guessed it…

DELUSIONAL!

If you really think we’re going anywhere w/ this team, you must be dreaming!

* We need either a LF or 1b because those seem to be the 2 positions not contributing on a consistent basis...We can give the LF job to Diaz if we want, but we must do something ASAP

* Regardless of if we do that, we must do something about the hitting...way too inconsistent!  Fire Terry first and foremost!  The hitters obviously aren't grasping the "contact" and "RISP w/ less than 2 outs" concept for some reason, and he'd be my first guess why...

* Get another starter that can go 8 innings because as well as Chuck pitches, he can't win because our bullpen is getting worse by the day and he can't last more than 7.

* Most of all, Willie is a BENCH player.  Julio is a BENCH player.  Lets keep it that way!  Salty should be starting on a daily basis unless we trade for a HIGH quality first baseman OR he is traded himself.  Diaz has proven he should be playing every day.

* Kelly was perfectly good in the leadoff spot...Why he was moved is beyond me, but he should be there...

* That being said, players are getting too complacent in their "spots"...I know this would never happen, but shake the order up a bit and let the players know they need to get the job done to end up where they want to be in the lineup

**You may ask why I’m saying all of this since we scored 10 runs Thu. night, but don’t get cocky one bit…It was Mike Maroth and thats nothing to get excited about…I know some high school teams that could hit him…heck, he gives Mark Redman a run for his money!

* Finally, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, get a BAT, an ARM...something that can help us TODAY!  We have Chipper, John Smoltz, Edgar, Hudson, and Andruw...this team won't be together forever, and w/ Andruw leaving after the season more than likely this is our best shot to win the World Series...

No moves and the same guys in September and next year we’ll be talking about this point in time…and the year after that, and the year after that.

I always love how we say that we’re not willing to mortgage our future to win now, but after watching the Braves and John Schuerholz work for the last 17 years, and after just 1 World Series Championship, I say its time we did try to win NOW!

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 2:02 AM | Link to this

THIS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN you have no money you stock the team with home grown lousy talent. MACKAY I WANT SOME PIE MCBRIDE, KYLLE FRICKIN DAVIES, AND JEFF THE MOSTOVERATED FRANCOUER. HEY BUT THE SIX YEAR OLD GIRS LOVE HIM. never thought i would like to see WHAT RAUL MONDESI could to again. AND FOR ALL U FRENCHY APOLIGISTS NO EXTRA BASE HITS SINCE THE BREAK.

By P-Town Brave

July 21, 2007 2:03 AM | Link to this

The last 3 games have proven, we don’t need another starter, we need a BAT If not for the lack of runs scored, we win ALL of these games in the last 3 days!

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 2:05 AM | Link to this

Ron,

You are misguided to think that JS will get something for nothing. Are all the GMs that stupid. You have to give something to get something.

By mr baseball

July 21, 2007 2:08 AM | Link to this

The Truth Hurts: too late to respond tonight, may take a stab at it tomorrow. I hope the GM compensated you adequately for your efforts.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 2:09 AM | Link to this

The Truth Hurts Actually Charles Thomas was traded to the Brewers earlier this year!!! I dont question alot of JS decisions, but I do question the LaRoche Deal!!! Listen dude Gonzalez missed the Whole month of September for a Reason, and look at the violent way he throws the ball!!! Common sense tells you he is gonna have arm injuries in the future and alot of arm injuries!!! I dont care what the doctors said!!!!! I knew he was gonna have injuries here, usually when a pitcher misses a month in a season like Gonzalez did, a pitcher is gonna keep on having injuries for the most part, not everybody, BUT alot of them!!! AND YOU ARE RIGHT I WOULD RATHER HAVE JS THAN ANY OTHER GM IN BASEBALL!!! HE HAS BEEN GREAT!!! That is the ONE trade I really give him a hard time about!!! I wish he did not trade Justice(mainly because he hit pretty good in the playoffs)!!! And at least he had the common sense to not make the Baldelli trade that SO MANY on this blog wanted!!! I was against that trade also, and said he would be hurt while with us!!! And others said, alot of teams would want an injured player like Baldelli that produces alot!!! UHHHHHH NO THEY WOULD NOT!!! And I am sure he has balked at alot of other bad trades that alot of other people would have wanted JS to make!!! He should go into the Hall of Fame!!! And of course he will make mistakes, every GM makes mistakes!!!

By Bill

July 21, 2007 2:10 AM | Link to this

The Braves are a horrible team. They score a ton of runs one games and can’t score the next. Can’t blame it all on starting pitching. I’m sick of this platooning. If they are not going to play Salty full time get rid of him. I love Julio but that was a horrible move. First base and LF is a mess.

By P-Town Brave

July 21, 2007 2:10 AM | Link to this

Sorry…looks like the middle of my post cut off or something…really strange!
We need either a LF or 1b because those seem to be the 2 positions not contributing on a consistent basis…We can give the LF job to Diaz if we want, but we must do something ASAP
Regardless of if we do that, we must do something about the hitting…way too inconsistent! Fire Terry first and foremost! The hitters obviously aren’t grasping the “contact” and “RISP w/ less than 2 outs” concept for some reason, and he’d be my first guess why…
Get another starter that can go 8 innings because as well as Chuck pitches, he can’t win because our bullpen is getting worse by the day and he can’t last more than 7.
Most of all, Willie is a BENCH player. Julio is a BENCH player. Lets keep it that way! Salty should be starting on a daily basis unless we trade for a HIGH quality first baseman OR he is traded himself. Diaz has proven he should be playing every day.
Kelly was perfectly good in the leadoff spot…Why he was moved is beyond me, but he should be there…
That being said, players are getting too complacent in their “spots”…I know this would never happen, but shake the order up a bit and let the players know they need to get the job done to end up where they want to be in the lineup
You may ask why I’m saying all of this since we scored 10 runs Thu. night, but don’t get cocky one bit…It was Mike Maroth and thats nothing to get excited about…I know some high school teams that could hit him…heck, he gives Mark Redman a run for his money!
Finally, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, get a BAT, an ARM…something that can help us TODAY! We have Chipper, John Smoltz, Edgar, Hudson, and Andruw…this team won’t be together forever, and w/ Andruw leaving after the season more than likely this is our best shot to win the World Series…
No moves and the same guys in September and next year we’ll be talking about this point in time…and the year after that, and the year after that.
I always love how we say that we’re not willing to mortgage our future to win now, but after watching the Braves and John Schuerholz work for the last 17 years, and after just 1 World Series Championship, I say its time we did try to win NOW!

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 2:11 AM | Link to this

TALK U WANT TO SAY ABOUT PITCHING. FACTS ARE BESIDES STOCKBRIDGE BOY STARTING PITCHING HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD LATELY. FACT IS NO CONSISTENT LEAADOFF HITTER BEHIND .330 & .347. WIILIE BLOWS THERE. AND ESCOBAR IS A KID.

By P-Town Brave

July 21, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this

Ron

Do you remember when he traded Jermaine Dye…?

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 2:18 AM | Link to this

The Truth Hurts But denizen…WHOA…HEY…just when I’m about to retire you rebutt so loudly. Owww. My eyes hurt now.

I thinkk you may have read more negativity in the post than I did, but since you called me out so loudly for my congrats on the detail and content of mr. baseball’s GOOD post, I’ll, why I’ll…I oughta…

Anyway, there is no fan that is ever truly satisfied. Are you? I think not. Want proof? Whatever. You now it’s true. Anyway, just as an artist or an athlete, a fan must see the what if’s, the possibilities, the opportunities…not just the who, what, where’s and when’s. Sure, it’s spoiled…but so are you and all of us. Dammit man! Get a grip!

JS has done a fine job most of the time. So have the Braves. Regardless, we love’em, through thick and thin. It’s not all about JS or Bobby or Wohlers or Herbeck or Puckett or Kolb or whatever happened in the past…it’s about not currently having the insurance of reliable starting pitching to get us over the humps of the inevitable mismanagement when budgets and GM foresight can’t possibly match our hindsight.

It’s not about 14 playoffs…it’s about one ring as opposed to 3 or 4. It’s not about winning or losing as much as it is seeing slumping Willy playing instead of Diaz. Yep, that’s all. It’s been a great run no doubt. But we are in the bleachers together rooting for the same team.

So relax. We’re all on the same page…or same book anyway. Just that some are reading different chapters at the same time. Hey…sounds like a blog. Now shut up and have a white russian. You’re a good denizen bloke to be sure. Just chill so I can get some sleep. And just for that, you have to handle the night shift. You will be relieved in the morning. Good luck. Keep it positive.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 2:19 AM | Link to this

TampaBrave Lets agree to disagree on this part If the Braves Can get a Solid Starter, Good Lefty Reliever, And a Solid 1st Baseman, or Tex or whatever then The Atlanta Braves would Have to be Favored to make it to the Playoffs!!! You at least agree about that!!! Which I figure you will sense I somewhat added Tex’s name to the equation!!!

By Todd A

July 21, 2007 2:27 AM | Link to this

Anyone starting to get the sickly feeling that the Braves will be in San Fran when Bonds ties and breaks the record?

By Bill

July 21, 2007 2:27 AM | Link to this

The Braves are a horrible team. They are to inconsistant. I’ve said for the last month, this team is going nowhere. If the Mets had been playing 500 ball, they would be 10 games back. I love Julio but this was another miskake by JS. I appreciate what JS and BC have done for the Braves but it’s time for them to move on. The game has passed BC. The pen is completely worn out. I hate platooning at 1st. and LF. If they are not going to play Salty full time, get rid of him. Put Diaz full time in LF and see if he can handle it full time. I don’t think he can. Diaz and Harris are just good bench players. Can’t blame everything on starting pitching. Pen is a mess. I said for the last month this team is not built to win and it needs to be completely torn apart and start over. JS has made alot of good trades but he also have made alot of bad ones. JS rip the KC team apart before he left and it looks like he will tear this team apart and get rid of all the good prospects. I hope I’m wrong but it doesn’t look good at all. The Mets will get going and the Braves probably will be 10 games out by trading deadline. Go Braves, get your act together.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 2:30 AM | Link to this

P-Town Brave Yes I do remember!!! But I do not call that a Bad trade MAINLY because Tucker WAS a valuable player for us, so was Lockhart!!! Believe it or not they BOTH helped this team!!! I did not think that Dye would be this good of a player, I thought he would be good enough to be a starter and put up some nice numbers, but if he did not get hurt in that playoff game while he was with Oakland then he would be probably a Superstar right now!!! As it is he is a VERY GOOD player!!! If Tucker and Lockhart Absolutely did nothing for us then that trade would have been 50 times worst, BUT they were for the most part productive for us!!! In my opinion that was not a Bad trade!!! Others will disagree and that is fine!!!

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 2:33 AM | Link to this

HEY TRUTH WELL SAID. WITHOUT BEING TO OUTSPEND WITH TEDS MONEY, LOT OF AVERAVGE TRADES. NOT OFTEN U GET 3 300 GAME WINNERS ON SAME ROSTER ( if smoltzie healthy) JS LOOKS LIKE A WHO IS OUT OF ANSWERS. BY THE WAY U KID IS HITTING .180. NEVER THOUGHT HE WOULD PLAY THE CORPORATE LINE. FACT IS THERE IS NO QUALITY PITCING IN THE MINORS. WHEN TIME WARNER MERGERD WITH AOL THEY CUT HALF OF OUR SCOUTS. WE ARE NINTH IN PAYROLL AND EXACTLY WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN THE STANDINGS

By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 2:33 AM | Link to this

Coach, I never said they weren’t directly responsible … and I thought the Redman trade was bad before, when and after the fact.

I said that John was not directly responsible for the team not playing up to expectations, or their capabilities … that is, underachieving.

I never said that Bobby was not directly responsible for the team underachieving, to the extent that they are so doing, he certainly shares in that responsibility … and, from where I sit, he is the one I consider to be most accountable.

Savannah seems to suggest that John might recognize that to be the case, but if that is true and nothing is being done then John is accountable for corrective action not being taken.

Obviously, John’s possible preoccupation with his book, the divergence from his standard practices in recent times, including Brian’s long term signing and the failure to so sign Frenchy, … and the possible mishandling of the Andruw waiver situation, the questionable signings such as Mark Redman, and maybe even his level of due diligence before and after the Gonzalez trade are suggestive … as to what they might individually and collectively suggest, that is for the third eye of the beholder.

Personally, I find it weak when one uses the defense, for certain action not being taken, that “it is not our practice to do that … we never have, and we and we never will” … then later do something they have never done and excuse it with “we thought it was the thing to do and made an exception”.

Either the former is a statement of convenience or the latter is suggestive that the one so saying was overruled.

There’s mention on the Blog of the need for a a good hitting 1st baseman … all they have to do is look over on the bench … it’s amazing to me how anyone can justify a .355+ hitter not being in the lineup every day … platooning is a joke … he’s hitting .355+ against both righties and lefties.

It might not have made a difference tonight but had he been playing 1st he would have had at least 4 at bats instead of one.

By The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 21, 2007 2:38 AM | Link to this

Thought I was done on this subject however, with a little time I am able to present my thoughts with a little more articulation.

Coach,

“Dog fighting is cruel , inhumane , bestial and an insult to man’s best friend.”

I completely agree and if you and everyone else would read all my post you would know that already.

I thought using an examples such as the dog fighting and hunting would help illustrate my opinion better. I was wrong.

My belief is you should be able to do what you want to do with your life as long as it does not impact another living person. Weather that be hunting, dog fighting or drugs. However, I also don’t believe in crying or asking for help when your faced with the adverse effects of the perceived immoral activities. Such as losing a sponsorship contract, public humiliation, etc. etc. Further, I believe that it’s not my place or the government to decide/judge what’s moral or immoral for anyone as long as it does not impact you or your family. I can live with other peoples perceived faults and immoral activity as long as they don’t directly impact me or my family.

Bob brought up an interesting point about everything effects everything. Which is correct in the whole scheme of things, however, when viewing topics from the outside you can use that situation to your advantage by pointing out the flaws or strengths with why you believe its wrong or right rather than put someone in jail.

I believe in a condition (for lack of better words) called “creeping socialism”. What that means basically is that the government will continue to make laws limiting your freedoms thus once it reaches a certain point your no longer a democracy/republic but rather a socialist government with no freedoms or liberties.

“That should give you an idea of what society thinks of your so called (Sport) of dog fighting.”

Perfect example of reading what you want to read but not really comprehending my comments. My sport is not dog fighting as I made abundantly clear in several of my post, (did you happen to read all of them?) I do not support dog fighting in any way, shape, or form. In fact I detest it. But it appears your narrow minded interpretation of my comments led you to believe this….don’t worry your not alone. I understand that if you read one post you could get a misunderstanding, and I can accept that. But when you judge someone and make rather unpleasant remarks towards their thinking and character it may be wise to make sure you know what the complete picture is before you put your foot in your mouth.

JasonInMaine I’m not anti-hunting at all…it was merely used as an example to illustrate my beliefs. Killing a cow is solely to provide food….there is no sport in it at all. Killing a deer on the other hand is considered a sport. If you think the primary purpose of hunters is to provide the family with a meal your mistaken. You can refer to the many hunters response’s over the last 24 hours to verify that.

Coach

“I have about as much respect for you , as you have for man’s best friend. So , go find a cliff and jump , I’ll be at the bottom to catch you. I promise !”

I don’t know you from a hill of beans and can’t comment on my level of respect for you. However, I can comment on what I think of not, or actually, having your respect. Does not matter. I don’t need internet blog participants to respect me as its inconsequential to my daily life. What I get out this blog is information and discussion about the Braves and the seldom polarizing conflicts said blog provides. It’s has always been important for me to communicate and understand the other side ideals, philosophy’s, and opinions. That’s what I respect.

A-ville Ranger

“I don’t think I’m more evolved than most of you.I KNOW I’m more evolved than you and the ever shrinking base of backward thinking yahoos you belong with.Having made my point clear there’s no reason to further comment.”

I am backward thinking because I believe that I know what’s best and morally right for myself rather than the government or someone such as your self deciding for me?

For being so evolved you damn sure can’t comprehend what I’m arguing.

jjschiller

I don’t disagree with anything you say. That’s not what I am arguing. I’m arguing the ability for each person to make that moral decision for himself with out having consequence from the legal system. Dog fighting does not impact the human race except on an emotional level.

Despite all this writing people will still assume I support dog fighting when in fact all I do support is peoples freedom to make choices for themselves as long as it does not directly impact another person. There is a lot of things I think is wrong but still think people should have the right to choose for themselves, such as abortion, drugs, stem cell research, and prostitution just to name a few.

Finally, dog fighting should be the least of our worries and it alarms me when M. Vick and dog fighting gets more headlines than these other important topics. Thanks for reading….

Billy

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 2:46 AM | Link to this

AM I THE ONLY PERSON THAT READ JS’S BOOK HE TALKED ABOUT HIMSELF IN THE FIRST PERSON. No if u want to hear him talk about a nice bottle read the book. THERE IS SOME FUNNY BANTER WITH HIM AND KASTEN. BUT IN GENERAL THE ONLY INTERESTING CHAPTER WAS HIS DEALING WITH DEION SANDERS. THE BETTER BOOK WAS (TALES FROM THE MOUND) BY ONE LEO MAZZONE. GREAT STORIES ABOUT MADDOG SMOLTZ AND GLAVINE. FAST READ.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 2:52 AM | Link to this

TampaBrave You are misguided if you think we dont have SH!T in our minors!!! All we have is Top 5 Farm System in Baseball!!! Thats all!!! What do you mean get something for nothing? So you are saying we dont have NOTHING in our minors that other teams want!!! Brilliant, JUST BRILLIANT!!! Well I suppose if it was up to you we would have traded Frenchy a few years ago for a guy like Beltran or somebody like that, while Frenchy was a rookie or in the minors!!! People can say what they want about Frenchy But he is a Star now and Gonna Be a Future Superstar that is CHEAP right now!!! Thats about what trade you would have made since the other minor league prospects are garbage!!! And basically you said that, if you dont believe it go back and Reread your post until you understand it!!!

By Bill

July 21, 2007 2:55 AM | Link to this

Something is wrong with the postings. I didn’t hit post twice.

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 2:56 AM | Link to this

HEY BOB ITS CALLE ACCOUNTABILITY. THATS WHY EVERBODY HATES DEMOCRATS.

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 3:06 AM | Link to this

TAMPA BRAVE. DO U REALLY THINK FRANCOUER IS A STAR?/ NINE EXTRA BASE HITS AT HOME. HE ALWAYS MISSES THE CUTOFF MAN BUT THEN AGAIN U HAVE A MAN CRUSH ON HIM. HE IS A VERY NICE INTERVIEW, BUT NEVER A MIDDLE A LINEUP GUY.

By fastasballs

July 21, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this

There is no way the Braves are getting an impact 1st baseman, #3 starter & a lefty for the pen. JS is going to have to stand pat with one of the three & I suggest that one be the starting pitching. It’s been damn good of late with the exception of Davies, who is now gone. Smoltz, Huddy, James & Carlyle have been great, granted only one start for Smoltz of late, but it was great.

Make a move for Tex, without another big bat in the line up the inconsistancy of the offense will continue. The pen is what is going south & in a hurry so I would make improving that a priority as well. The starters created the worn out bullpen so they are going to have to be the ones to carry the team for a while until the pen recovers. Soriano is a HUGE concern right now. Everyone can already see what happens when he is not his usual self.

KJ needs to go back to lead off. Willie has done more than anyone expected, but his weakness has been located & will continue to be exploited by the league. I’d play Diaz everyday for a while. I like Willie coming off the bench or pinch running late in the game because of his speed & the pressure that puts on the defense in a tight game.

I wasn’t aware Julio was going to enter a platoon with Salty. I like the guy as much as anyone, but he’s not an everyday player no matter what Bobby thinks. 4-5 starts a month, late inning & pinch hitting duties is what I thought he was brought in for. Well that & to replace Thorman or religate him to pinch hitting only. I really think Thorman will be including in a multi player trade.

Who wouldn’t like to see a line up of KJ/Escobar, Edgar, Chipper, Tex, Andruw, McCann, Frenchy, Diaz, Pitcher

That would be the most balanced line up & probably the most potent in the NL.

Alright now that I laid out the plan, JS needs to get to work.

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this

ACTUALLY NAME ME ONE PITCHER WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN 7 YEARS? O. PEREZ J.MAAQUIS, HOMERONIO RAMIZEZ, KYLE, HAMMER DAVIES. NOT TO MENTION THE #1

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 3:20 AM | Link to this

AGREE WITH YOU FASTBALLS. NEED MORE CONSISTENT O. STARTS AT THE TOP.

By uga-dawg

July 21, 2007 3:33 AM | Link to this

TRADED FOR SMOLTZ, DRAFTED GLAVINE. ALL WHEN BOBBY WAS GM. HE IS A GREAT EVUATOR OF TALENT. IT WAS ALWAYS COVERED UP BY JS AND TEDS MONEY IN THE 90S. DONT GET ME WRONG WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE HIM THAN STEVE PHILLIPS. BUT AT SOME POINT DONT TELL BRAVES FANS IT IS RAINING WHEN SOMEBODY IS ACTUALLY P** IN YOUR EAR

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 3:50 AM | Link to this

RON,

Quoting you dumbass: “What he should have done is traded the dud players that did nothing in the playoffs, and BELIEVE ME WE HAD PLENTY OF THOSE!!!”

Get your s** together man!!

Here’s more stats for you. This is the clincher. Might want to turn in now.

Category W-L

Shutouts 0-8

1-3 runs 7-23

4-5 runs 15-11

6 or more 29-4

Look closely fool! 7-31 when scoring 3 or less.

There’s more, in the losses where the Braves scored between 1-3 runs, subtracting 5 double digit blowouts, the opponents averaged 3.5 runs. Is this a pitching problem or run a production problem? I think its clear!!

There’s more…. in the 8 shutouts, subtracting 1 blowout, the average opponents runs were 4.0. Take it to the bank. Cash it. It’s as good as gold.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 4:00 AM | Link to this

uga-dawg,

I think you meant your Francouer comments to Ron. Personally, I do not think he is a superstar yet, but has potential to be. Kind of miffed with all the sawed off bloopers he’s getting this year and the lack of pop though. The up side is he has done well in his 2nd year, where many players experience problems.ie sophomore jinx

By Coach ( Walking The Dog , Literally)

July 21, 2007 4:02 AM | Link to this

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By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 4:39 AM | Link to this

Billy, there’s a lot in what you say and feel with which I agree.

Indeed, the isolationists prior to our entry into World War II certainly shared your opinion for they didn’t perceive the actions of the Axis as impacting us or our families.

Similar arguments have been made by those opposing our entry and involvement in other conflicts, including the current ones in which we are engaged.

I hope that you’ll agree that among those things for which our servicemen fight is our freedom to demand that punishment be exacted when our laws are broken, and not just the ones with which they agree.

Unfortunately, there are those among us whose regard for the law can be capsulized in “if you’re willing to do the time, it’s okay to do the crime” … for this and other reasons, methinks many crimes of choice should carry much heavier sentences.

It’s a changing world Billy, … our federal and all 50 state constitutions pay homage to God, as does our currency … is it fair to suggest that an increasing percentage of us now prefer the homage be paid to themselves?

By serbok

July 21, 2007 4:48 AM | Link to this

Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

My belief is you should be able to do what you want to do with your life as long as it does not impact another living person.

Billy, I for one do understand what you are attempting to get across on the blog,! I Like government intrusion as much as I like King george and Queen Cheney!\

However the Crux of the biscuit is, One cannot existentially compare hunting with Dog fighting! I do not condone either. That’s my choice tho. I leave that to ppl who enjoy hunting as has its been done thru history. (minus the “gear” that hunters have today as that were not available in the past.” Try to make this short.

You seem to see Death as Death, regardless of the circumstance that surrounds it? I can handle the idea of someone going into the woods on a hunting trip, as it has gone down thru time millenia. This seems to me to be a very “natural” reaching back to the beginning of time? (People are Hard Wired” ) to participate in these types of activities? In other words it is in their genealogical makeup? Was a time we had to hunt? A time we had to gather? These things (To me) seem a very natural extension of genes that were (are) still hard wired within us!

Animal CRUELTY~ Dogs fighting for sport? Dogs maiming and killing due to the fact man/woman, Contrives these event for? Sport? YES Passion : YES Money: YES Food source? NO Gambling : YES Money? YES When all of these things are combined together~ in my mind there has to be Alcohol, Drugs, Guns and some very F*ed up People? I find it very truely inhuman to fight any animals to the death!!!!!!!!! Billy, I understand, where you were comming from, I can agree on some weird way F888ked up level. However on an existential level, there is absolutley NO COMPARISON!!!!!!!!!! NONE WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!

Rarely hear of hunter’s being “accidentally” killed in the woods? ( tho the mighty White hunter Cheney!!?) certainly illicits a feeling on that?

But to Pit 2 animals against one another when the outcome is CERTAIN Death! Is a very Dark place to be Indeed? Regardless of Law!!!!!!!!! NOW IF we were to get these types of fights sanctioned in the World wrestling Federation~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm That might make me to think twice? :o)

By falcon80

July 21, 2007 5:00 AM | Link to this

Irrelevant to any Braves subject, but to the hunters and their posters: I don’t care if you hunt, I bet it is quite fun, but this tired, old, lame argument that you are thinning the herd for their own good is so f’n weak! Just answer one question please—You are sitting in your stand and one deer is approaching from the left, one from the right. One is a magnicifent 12 point buck, the other a sick, starving old decrepit specimen. Which one are you going to shoot? Thought so!

By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 5:02 AM | Link to this

I need to watch a 1934 Wayne black and white and get a couple of hours sleep before the British Open so I have but one minute.

uga-dawg, I miss most of what post because of the CAPS but you know I agree with the intent of your 2:56 message.

By serbok

July 21, 2007 5:04 AM | Link to this

EVERYBODY HATES DEMOCRATS? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

Go getcha gun, hitchup yo dawg~ and head on over to mike vick’s house? LOL

By serbok

July 21, 2007 5:08 AM | Link to this

uga-dawg* HEY, CAPITAL GUY?????????????????????????? DEER MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU COMMIN FROM 5 MILES AWAY? LOL

By P-Town Brave

July 21, 2007 5:11 AM | Link to this

Tampa

TP has turned Frenchy into a punch-and-Judy hitter…every pitch he gets he looks to inside out or go the other way w/…just no power stroke anymore, which leads me to agree w/ a point provided earlier by UGA I believe, that he’s no middle of the order hitter.

Fastasballs

Totally agree on getting Tex to fill the big bat need and that this need is more desperate than pitching now w/o a doubt…way too much inconsistency after Chipper in the lineup, but I figure we have a better shot if we split him and Druw up since Chipper is getting on base all the time now.

Along w/ that, I say that we get Wilson the lefty specialist from Texas in the trade to fill that bullpen need…

That would fill pretty much everything…I really don’t think I even want to give up anything to get another starter…we have James at the #3 and people need to realize that when you go into the playoffs, the Division Series you only use 3 starters anyways and only up to 4 in the NLCS…I’d be totally comfortable right now on going w/ Carlyle in a Game 4 situation.
In 2006, the Game 4 starters were Oliver Perez and Brad Thompson; In 2005, Brandon Backe and Jason Marquis; In 2004, Marquis and Oswalt; In 2003, Matt Clement and Dontrelle; In 2002, Andy Benes and Livan Hernandez;

Anyways, my point is this:
Buddy Carlyle is just as good as any of those guys minus Dontrelle and Roy Oswalt, but Roy was going Games 1 and 4 and Willis was a rookie then…I think we could matchup just as good w/ anyone in the league at 1-4 as well as our guys are pitching…and I have all the confidence in Chuck James come playoff time…he seems to have that fire and intensity that would make him a great playoff pitcher…

So I say lets get the bat, the bullpen lefty, and be done w/ it!

By serbok

July 21, 2007 5:22 AM | Link to this

falcon80* excellent post bro!!!!!!!!!!!

By serbok

July 21, 2007 5:31 AM | Link to this

I posted a link to this last night~ It is Apples browser that is called Safari! It is amazingly fast! if you so choose to get it~ you will totally agree. Reason it is sooooooo much faster is because it is written for only 3 operating systems, MAC OSX , windows XP and Vista. Not compatible with any other operating system!!!! It is reallly really alot faster! Plus I’m no longer getting those annoying “script errors” here’s the link

http://www.ajc.http://www.apple.com/safari/

wont be dissapointed:o)

By serbok

July 21, 2007 5:45 AM | Link to this

Last post 4 the night~ believe it or not? It’s Baseball! I have been steadfast of not losing yunel and salty, Man I would hate to see those guys go~ but as we are aware~ there are some future “superstars” just chompin at the bit? Someone posted earlier~ these 3 names~ and after careful consideration, I would go for them NOW SO WE can WIN NOW!!!!!!! means escobar and salty are history of course~ and so would be a cherished “future” :o( WE NEED to get TEX~GAGNE~ and Millwood! They would put us over the top!!!!!!!!!!!! Our ODDS of winning it all this year would really zoom?

BTW get the safari browser!!! you will be impressed!! Promise!!!!!!!!!!

By Braves Fan 79

July 21, 2007 7:29 AM | Link to this

The problem with the Braves is Cox dosent seem to play his hot hand…and dosent seem to realize when someones cold. Soriano shouldnt of been in the game last night…he should of let james pitch 8 then let wickman take over.

By Bravo Nam

July 21, 2007 7:31 AM | Link to this

Trade Time

It’s official. We need to pick up at least one quality reliever, possibly two before the deadline, coz our bullpen is weaker than both our offense and SP at the mo.

Given B Mc isn’t going anywhere, and the Braves aren’t sold on Salty at first, my gut tells me they’re calling the bluff of a few potential trading partners. I think JS will trade Salty before the deadline. Salty and a couple of prospects for the Pirate’s Snell and their lights out lefty reliever. I think he’ll also end up getting Tex. It will indeed slightly decimate our prospects, but JS will figure to get four high level prospects at the end of the year if both AJ and Tex walk.

The reality is if the Braves want to make some strong moves, they’re gonna have to give up a magnificent piece and a few crackers to get some gold in return.

By Braves Fan 79

July 21, 2007 7:35 AM | Link to this

Coach: thats what ive been saying all along. If we had kept buddy out of spring training (and not sign redmen)…..and kept escobar and dumped woodcrap….wed easily be in first place right now. Weve given away so many games this season it makes me sick. Its like bobby is so used to “automatic” wins by glavine, smoltz, maddux, that he runs crappy and cold players out there time after time…after time….after time. Yes i know it all makes us sick Braves fans. Owell nothing was as painfull as giving woodcrap all those starts with orr when chipper first got hurt. Although knowing we already lost the game before redmen even thru a pitch was pretty hard 2.

By Jeff R

July 21, 2007 7:43 AM | Link to this

Soriano’s poor performance again last night makes me think that Seattle understood what it was giving up when it sent the Braves Soriano: a talented pitcher who seems to run hot and cold, who doesn’t have problems with his stuff, but with his concentration.

Braves do need another capable starting pitcher to compliment Smoltz, Hudson and James, if there’s one available and for a price that’s fair. Salty for Arroyo? Doubtful. And all this chatter about beefing up 1B. Texeria ain’t going to win a championship. Pitching, and more pitching (and defense) keeps teams in the hunt much more than bats. Without a solid #4 starter and bullpen that keeps us in games, good luck.

By JasonInMaine

July 21, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

BravoNam,

Tex is under contract for next year…he isn’t walking anywhere until 2009!

Now that we are back to 3.5 games out, JS needs to make a move. A couple of moves need to be made in order for this team to make the playoffs. We all know anything can happen if we get in!

Regards,

Jason

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

SJA I saw your post to me buried down in last night’s posts. Notice that it got no other response? That’s because—as I have been told publicly and privately—the rest of the blog is tired, no sick, of this.

For that reason, and others, I am going to say what does not roll easily off my tongue, or from beneath my finger tips: I quit.

This is my final post to you. Hear the cheers? You will.

By Mark

July 21, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

I just read my third DOB blog…There is no wonder why the Braves have been a fading team over the last three years and will continue to fade and fade and fade without DOING SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT!

Either the Braves have to admit to their fans that the Braves simply cannot compete for a pennant with their payroll or they gotta start spending. Only in a Brave Blog can Diax and Franco get so much ink…Only Chris James can be hyped not into Koufax but certainly into a Calude Osteen NOT!!!!. I have written you angr Blogs and angry emails before. You have never failed to support the team in their efforts. You have always managed to find the silver lining. Hey O’Brien there aint no silver lining. Its time the team was torn down and rebuilt with all the young guys. THis “piece of this piece of that” philosophy is for the birds.

The first base position is laughable. DIAZ as an everyday starter is LAUGHABLE! Keeping two potentially outstanding young middle infielders like Johnson and Escobar when there are holes all over the place is laughable. I say Scherholz should either wrap it up for the year and tell the fans as much by dealing Andruw and painfully dealling Chipper and Smoltz as well. You hear the old saying. Better a year early than a year late. Have hi stand in front of the microphones and announce why he is doing it. Have him tell the Fans that the owners will not allow him the opportunity to compete. Have him offer a refun on seasons tickets and lets get with it already. I find Braves Baseball on TBS offensively boring. But i see a blindingly bright futre ahead. If you refuse to call it quits then lets unlead the dead wood by adding about 25 million to the payroll and let Scheurhol loose.

Thanks for your time.

Mark

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

The vets on this blog - and you know who you are - obviously have a sense of entitlement which allows them to carry on conversations which have nothing to do with baseball or the MIB. They converse among themselves inflict their personalities and personal views ‘ad nauseum” upon the rest of us. Very much an “in crowd” kind of thing. The rest of us must suffer silently.

I re-publish this from last night’s posts, without comment. It doesn’t need any further comment.

By yars

July 21, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

If Chipper hadn’t missed 20+ games, we would be talking NL MVP. I think either Chase Utley or Prince Fielder will win MVP. However, Chipper has a good chance of winning the NL batting title, as long as he stays healthy! I think it’s time Bobby starts playing Matt Diaz against both LH & RH pitching.

By Tampa Brave

July 21, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

I posted this late last night so I’m gonna post it again because think it speaks volumes about the true weakness of this team…Here is the Braves W-L stats sorted by runs scored

Category W-L Shutouts 0-8 1-3 runs 7-23 4-5 runs 15-11 6 or more 29-4

7-31 when scoring 3 or less.

In the losses where the Braves scored between 1-3 runs, less 5 blowouts, the opponents averaged 3.5 runs.

In the 8 shutouts less 1 blowout, Average opponents runs were 4.0.

It’s very clear to me the offense is more of a culprit than the pitching though I agree the pitching could be better at times.

By Carroll

July 21, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

As much as I love Julio, I’m afraid that signing him was a MAJOR step backwards for this team. We had finally gotten Bobby’s stubborn as to stop playing the useless Thorman and to go with NaCl instead….now we’ll have to endure the old dinosaur starting over 1/2 the time hitting .200ish. That plus AJ clogging up the works in the 4-hole is a recipe for disaster. FREE NaCL (and put him at cleanup!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

More intresting Braves batting stats:

4th in OBP(Pretty good, right??)

Until you see the following:

3rd in NL in grounding into double plays.

5th in strikeouts

4th in runners left on base

Need I say more????

The evidence is overwhelming

JS, I’m still holding my breath.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Let me clarify my stats I recently posted because it didn’t show up like I wanted.

When Braves are shut out they are 0-8.duh

When they score 1 to 3 runs they are 7-23

When they score 4 to 5 runs, they are 15-11

When they score 6 or more they are 29-4.

More importantly, in those game they lost while scoring no runs(less 1 blowout) their opponent averaged 4 runs a game.

In the games they lost scoring 1-3 runs(less 5 blowouts), their opponent averaged 3.5 runs per game.

I will keep running this post until JS bangs on the Liberty Media door and gets me some money to add Tex to this lineup.

By TLJ

July 21, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

MLBtraderumors.com is quoting Ken Rosenthal as stating JS would not include Escobar or Salty in a trade for Tex. If that is the case, I do not see how we can get him.

I’m starting to think we need hitting more than pitching. Right now we are not getting anything at 1b (I think Salty is going to be a great offensice player, just not this year) and Harris is in a slump.

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Tampa Brave Enjoyed reading your posts. I’m not sure I understand them, completely, or whether I agree with them, completely, but they are interesting and topical none-the-less.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 21, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

And on the brighter side……..

Richmond won last night. Strong effort by Blaine Boyer in his start plus Lillibrige had a walk off grand slam homerun to win it in the bottom of the ninth 8-5.

Nice pinch hit appearance by Scott Thorman last night. Cut down on his swing and pushed a single through the hole on the left side. Maybe the time he is spending on the pine is transferring to his brain the message that to keep on doing what he was doing was seriously putting at risk his future in a Braves uniform.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

I think JS is messing with Jon Daniels, who wants to get rid of Tex’s salary and really wants NaCl.

I hope the deal gets done, even if the Braves have to add Thorman or a ML prospect (not one of the big ones) to make it happen.

We still have Bryan Pena, who continues to rake in Richmond, to back up McCann and to serve as an effective utility player.

Escobar is the really fascinating guy. If he’s not dealt does that mean a) Renteria will be traded in the off-season to open SS for Yunel; b) KJ will move to LF next year to open up 2B for Yunel; c) Yunel will be traded in the off-season so that Elvis can be prepped to take over in 2009? Options abound.

And I wonder if Frenchy might move to CF next year, with Diaz going to RF if Brandon Jones isn’t ready for the bigs.

Oh, the humanity (I mean, the possibilities)!

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Simple enough Paladin,

If we were a little more consistent in scoring runs, we are in 1st place. Stats show we are getting on base, but stats also show we are striking out or grounding into double plays at a high rate. The most apparent culprit has been AJ. It is my contention that with Tex inserted into this lineup of good hitters we will score those extra runs and win those pivital games and pitching has more leads to work with.Maybe not a McGriff like punch, but close. He’s a switch hitter.

Vs LHP .302 BA 12HR 30RUNS
32RBI

vs RHP .275 BA 21HR 69RUNS 86RBI

Contrary to some of the uninformed posts, he actually hit better away from Arlington 21 HRs AWAY, 12 HRs HOME

By raindawg722

July 21, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

P-Town Brave,

Respectfully, Nomar and Frenchy are two players at different stages in their careers heading in opposite directions. In his prime, Nomar hit for average and power. By sacrificing some of his power this year in his approach to hitting (though I still think the power will come), Frenchy has made himself closer to what Nomar was in his prime: a feared hitter. What’s more, if he keeps taking this type of intelligent approach to hitting, he has a chance to be a great hitter, and not just that archetypal five tool player that can’t seem to put it all together.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 21, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

On hunting…… I was once an avid hunter. I gave it up as I discovered I did not enjoy killing things. My choice, I have no objection to other people hunting as long as they observe the rules of the game.

Fact, their are more white tali deer in this country today than when the first white man set foot on this continent.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the Buffalo. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. They are however, not entitled to force that opinion on the unwilling. Hunt if you wish, just not on my property.

And my last comment on Michael Vick. He is what he is, no more no less. A product of his environment. We are all known by the company we keep. The old saw that says it best, “If you lay down with the dogs, you will get up with the fleas.”

No matter what the outcome of his legal paths he will always be deemed guilty by those who wish it so and innocent by those who wish it not.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

How do we lose when your starter gives up 1 run…o I forgot our bullpen consists of one person. Well the Mets keeping stretching the lead. Does anyone else feel like we are in trouble? Trade Salty and get some offense because we cant hit a broad side of a barn. We couldnt hit water if we were in a boat. TEX PLEASE COME AND HELP!!!!!!3.5 back well consider Smoltz and Hudson cant pitch everyday well….

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 21, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Folks, Salty is going to be a great player someday. He is not however, there yet. He is a couple of years away from being a legitimate star. To me he is going to be a very average first baseman but could be a great catcher.

Perhaps too many of you have him on your fantasy team. Get a grip. He has potential but he is not the answer to our problems right now.

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Tampa Brave Now I understand. And I would also like to see Tex in the Braves’ lineup. But, whether I would be willing to part with NaCl: I’m not sure.

Gil Sort of like OJ?

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

While it is slow, I want to weigh in on hunting.

I don’t particularly like “game” so I don’t hunt, ‘cause I was brought up believing that if you don’t eat what you kill, you don’t hunt. I have no problem with those that do hunt; I have a son who loves to hunt. He eats what he kills and, occasionally, I “have to” as well. As for those that go on “big game” hunts to stoke nothing but their egos: They sicken me almost as much as dog “fighters”.

I do have a problem with those who kill or maim animals of the “pet” variety. My only “wish” relative to them is that they burn in the fiery flames of hell—for eternity!

And I do eat the meat of domesticated animals, but that debate has no place on a “sports” blog. Please!

And finally, I have killed, but not because I wanted to, but because I had to. And, on one occasion, I had to witness what I had done. It was neither pretty, or satisfying.

I am a huge Falcon fan, and I was a MV fan. But, if he plays this year(or any other)I will not watch.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 21, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Looking at the last 2 NFL seasons, sitting Vick for the year doesn’t necessarily mean the Falcons are conceding the season. Harrington actually has a better completion percentage, but he throws a ton of INTs.

By Ron Roberts

July 21, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

To hell with finding a starter… this team apparently still needs bullpen help.

This should be fixable without having to deal Yunel or Jarrod, but I think the last three Braves losses show that we’re one good hitter shy of taking over the division.

Consider the bullpen meltdowns that have cost us games… it’s easy; just look at the losses Soriano and Wickman sport and that number, alone, were they wins, would have us in first place. Now, I’m not coming down on them, because every reliever slips now and then, but Soriano’s struggles are starting to be frightening. Is it the loss of Gonzalez that has caused all this? Partly; but Sori’s struggles aren’t due to the kind of batter he pitches against. His fastball is straight and lifeless, and his location is awful.

Bu we’ve been a hit shy of winning the last three games, too, and that glaring black hole at first base is just staring at us.

Please, for the love of God, go get Mark Teixeira, Schuerholz.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

What was the last 2-1 game we won. Awful.

For those of you who say we don’t need another reliever, you are insane. Dotel folks. Wheeler even. Anyone.

Another starter would be nice as well, but it seems like that isn’t going to happen. Time is running out. Need to win these next two games!!!!!

I said 15-8 through this first 23 games out of the break. At this point, that would be a miracle.

This team is unbelievable. 4-4 out of the break with this joke of a schedule.

NEED TO GO 11-4 the next 15 games.

HAVE TO DO IT!!!!!!

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Back to baseball: We have got to get more production from the bats; either the ones we have or the ones we get—now! Are you listening, Homeboy?

By Ron Roberts

July 21, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Braves fans, here’s a question you have to ask yourself, though, about Saltalamacchia…

…if we did go get Teixeira, and we already have McCann signed to a six-year deal…

…where does Saltalamacchia fit into the Braves’ lineup this and next season? As a backup catcher?

Now, I’m not sold on the idea that he’s an everyday player, yet, but I do think he’s better than a backup catcher. He’s somewhere between backup catcher and everyday player; but if we have Teixeira, and we have McCann, Saltalamacchia only has a spot on the big league squad as a backup catcher, right?

That’s why I’ve thought, all along, that he’s the more tradeable option between he and Yunel Escobar. I happen to think that, when the Braves’ say those two young prospects are off the table, they’re actually saying “if you want them, know that the price is steep.”

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 21, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Perhaps Salty is untouchable, but publicly saying so only ups his value.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 21, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

mlbtraderumors.com reports that the Braves scouts were at the Rangers’ game last night…for whatever that’s worth.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 21, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Maybe they were looking at that Benoit dude from Texas.

By Salty

July 21, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Stupid, Idiot, Insane…

Too many posts start, or include, such flatteries. They are not called for in addressing another blogger’s opinion. Pretty disgusting, childish, immature, etc., etc., etc.

If this were a bar, either the bouncer asks the offender(s) to exhibit decorum, or take their business elsewhere. Otherwise, good patrons suffer.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Perhaps JS is having a tough time making a deal because other GMs are a bit gun-shy. It’s hard to remember a trade involving a position player he’s made that didn’t slightly fleece the other team. The Jermaine Dye deal is the most recent one that comes to mind.

Marte for Reteria? Charles Thomas and Dan Meyer for Hudson? Brian Jordan and Odalis Perez for Sheffield?

The Waiwright-King-Marquis for Drew-Marrero deal may wind up favoring the Cards, long-term. Wainwright may end up being a stud but Drew led that team to the playoffs. Reggie Sanders and Bret Boone for Klesko? I’d still call that about even.

The Braves have swapped tons of prospects and young regulars that have wound up being duds or less than scintillating and gotten impact players in return.

Just saying.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Don’t miss that Allison Kraus show. I saw her with Tony Rice at Merlefest (in my hometown, Wilkesboro, NC) in April and it was wonderful.

And not even the best set of the festival. Elvis Costello played his own stuff and more in a Tennessee Three format (and with Jerry Douglas and Sam Bush — that crew doing “Friend of the Devil” was too much). And John Paul Jones of Led Zep(!) sat in on mandolin with several bands.

Having JPJ and Doc Watson and Earl Scruggs and John McEuen on the same stage must have caused universes to collide.

That’s the best festival I’ve ever attended. Four days of heaven in the Blue Ridge … plus at least a daily visit from Doc. Can’t beat it. You should see if the overlords at the AJC will let you take that weekend in April off next year. You won’t regret it.

By Ron Roberts

July 21, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Rockies… You’re not the first person to prescribe to that theory, but I think that’s more in the minds of the fans than the organizations.

I’d have to think that if we trade a player to an organization, it was one they wanted to begin with. Every team has scouts, and its those scouts’ jobs to tell their organization who’s worth having and who isn’t. If we send a player to another team, it’s because they wanted that player.

I think sometimes we get into thinking that John Schuerholz is like a voodoo medicine man traveling from village to village with his “goods” and leaves town once he’s fleeced everybody. These aren’t unwitting buyers we’re dealing with.

If they’re gun-shy about dealing with Schuerholz, maybe it’s because they realize their own shortcomings. But I don’t think there’s a MLB G.M. out there who thinks he’s not capable of getting what they need out of a trade deal, no matter who the other G.M. is.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

I think we should get Eric Gagne, and Tex give up whatever to win now because i dont think they can with the bullpen and offense they have now.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Or we can go after Damaso Marte and Torres from Pitt…Two good relievers….Then try to get Tex…

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

ALL

Ask yourselves this. Can the Braves go 40-25 the final 65 games of the season to win the division?

Because the Mets are going to win 90 games folks. They are.

So if the Braves want to win the division, or even make the wild card, they have to win 40 of the next 65 to finish at 91-71.

In my mind, we are going to need help from other teams, as well as help for our own team.

I think it is evident that we need another reliever. Joaquin Benoit, CJ Wilson, Dotel?

Tex for Salty might have to happen. I never thought I would say that, but imagine this lineup.

2B Johnson SS Renteria 3B Jones 1B Texiera CF Jones C McCann RF Francouer LF Diaz

That is impressive. I still think Soriano and Yates will turn it around, but they sure need help. The Braves should attempt to get Marte or Wilson. But don’t stop there, acquire another right hander like Wheeler.

I think ALL of these things need to be done if the Braves are going to make the playoffs.

By Coach ( check The Numbers , They Tell The Story)

July 21, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

The Braves have scored 123 runs over the last 20 games , thats 6.15 per game. They have gone 12-8 over that span with a team ERA of 3.74. I prefer adding pitching to that mix. The Mets have gone 11-9 with a team ERA of 4.55 while scoring 91 runs for an equal AVG of 4.55 runs scored per game. All in all , we have picked up just one single game over the Muts in 20 games , primarily due to (SURPRISE ) the BLOWPEN. It’s the pitching , stupid.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

according to Ben Maller on Fox Sports the Braves want Arroyo but there asking price is to steep…Also know as Salty

By tyyosh

July 21, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Tampa Brave, Cool stats on the Braves’ runs and W-L. What would be interesting, if data were available, would be the same chart for the Mets and for the other winning teams. Sometimes it is hard to tell what to do with stats without seeing the relative benchmarks.

By Shaun

July 21, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave,

Regarding your earlier post, I’ve been saying that Salty will be gone by Opening Day of next season since the beginning of this season.

I’m just saying the Braves have to take into account they will be losing a cheap player that will contribute longer than until the end of 2008.

Again, hopefully if they do get a player like Teixeira—a player signed only for the short-term—I hope the two teams put together a package so that the Braves also get a player who is likely to contribute something past 2008. That’s all I’m saying.

By Shaun

July 21, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Efrim,

It may take less than 91 wins to win the Wild Card. Remember the Braves do play in the National League.

Schuerholz is going to do something significant, according to everything I’ve heard and read. If this happens, they have just as good a shot as anyone. Sure they are probably just barely on the outside right now but they are probably one one more great player and a two or three more good players away from possibly being the favorites of all the Wild Card contenders.

By David O'Brien

July 21, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Efrim, great to know what you think needs to be done to make the playoffs, and great that you can look into that special crystal ball you have and tell us what the Mets are going to do. Thanks for sharing.

You make these long posts pronouncing what must be done and why things are so unlikely and blah blah blah. What do you want people to do in response to your posts? I mean, do we go, ‘Yeah, you’re right.’ Then what? What’s your point, exactly?

So you don’t think they’ll make the playoffs. Fine. You’re certainly reasonable to think that. But if others believe otherwise, why do you feel compelled to convince them you’re right and the outlook stinks? I mean, they can just as reasonably say, ‘You know what, the Mets should be running away with th is, but they’re not. So what makes you think they will?’

In other words, chill, dude. This division is mediocre and the Mets aren’t nearly as powerful as I and most other people thought they’d be. The Braves are flawed in several ways, but they’re also turning up every rock and trying to make moves that enable them to stay in this thing without completely mortgaging their future. Relax. There’s a LOT of time left.

By Coach ( Pitching , Pitching Pitching , Dammit !)

July 21, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Two names come to mind. The Marlins Sergio Mitre 4-4 , 2.82 ERA .The Royals Zack Greinke 4-5 , 4.48 ERA. Mitre is a sleeper and Greinke is lightning in a bottle. Kansas City’s GM Dayton Moore has deep ties to the Braves and he knows our farm system. Who knows , miracles do still happen.

By David O'Brien

July 21, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Gil, you’re a voice of sanity this morning/today, on Salty and other matters.

Ron Roberts and others, so true on Salty. You don’t bring him back as a backup catcher next year. So unless you’re convinced he’s your 1B, you trade him if you can fill another need.

He’s NOT untouchable, believe me. I’d say McCann and Francoeur are about the closest things to untouchable in the Braves organization.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

Do you think this team will catch the Mets? Not can they, but a definite yes or no.

My answer before this 10 game stretch was yes. After seeing this team lose 4 of 5 to the Reds and Cards, I now know that the Mets are a better team.

Even if the Braves rack up 2 wins in the next two games, and sweep the Giants going into Arizona, I still believe the Mets will win the division. I just think the Mets will win 90 games and I can’t see us going 40-25 to catch them. I just can’t see it,

If it isn’t one thing, it is the other. The Braves are just too inconsistent.

By Robert

July 21, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Whether y’all like it or not, the series finale against the Reds is the game that matters

Because that’s the game that showed the real flaw.

We’re 3.5 games out, and if we couldve just found a way to win the games that our donkey manager literally gave away, we’d be about 4.5 games in front, or more.

And then it wouldnt appear to be so critical that the Braves make a major move in preparation for the stretch drive.

There will be those who will continue to claim that it was just bad luck that we couldnt plate a runner from third with nobody out. And these folks will of course be able to make all kinds of excuses, and to get quite angry when you dont buy into their c** and bull

The only question there is whether those people can possibly be stupid enough to believe their own apologist horsehockey, or whether (far more likely) they are just following the (unwritten) company rules

By David O'Brien

July 21, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Nam, agreed on absolute need for at least one reliever, and probably two. Gotta get a lefty, and they will.

By David O'Brien

July 21, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, just saw your 12:48 a.m. post. That made me smile.

By David O'Brien

July 21, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Curt, I got that Stars “Set Yourself on Fire” album a couple years ago. Very good album. They put out some kind of remix album of the same songs done very differently, haven’t heard that.

They’d be interesting live.

By Carroll

July 21, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Gil et al, re: Mike Vick: Why is it that so many people are unwilling to call a duck a duck, and just say the truth—that Vick is a bad person or that at least he did/does bad things? It seems that the worst thing people are willing to say is that he keeps bad company or hangs out with the wrong crowd. Ever considered that maybe Vick (himself) IS bad company? Maybe it’s his friends that are hanging out with the wrong crowd. The guy has zero redeeming qualities as far as I can tell (unless you consider running around a football field as a redeeming quality—and even if you do, the fact that he carries the ball so haphazardly mitigates the utility of that quality).

By Colin

July 21, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

I think we should go for broke.Try to win this year and forget about next year or 2009 or 2010….Tex and Gagne would sure be nice to go after.

By Georgia still racist

July 21, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

I want to know how white people in Georgia are going to feel if Barry Bonds breaks the record against the Braves.

By KC

July 21, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Somebody please remind Soriano to eat his Wheaties.

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

If one african-american breaks the record of another african-american, what in God’s name does that have to do with race, or “racism”?

By KC

July 21, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Georgia still racist:

I’m sure you’re just trying to be a protagonist, but I’m sure you realize that Barry Bonds is breaking the record of another black man.

But to answer your question…

I’m going to feel like Barry Bond’s cheating and stealing have been rewarded with the most sacred record in all of professional sports.

Barry Bonds will break the record, and when he does, it will be a very, very dark day for this sport. It kills me to see the degree to which he’s gotton away with being a lying, cheating, stealing a$$ hole. What a shame for the game of baseball.

By Carolina Lady

July 21, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Just random thoughts - has Soriano accepted his role as setup for Wicky? I know Soriano wanted to be the closer; just wonder if he isn’t piqued at not being able to close.

I really don’t know anything about him, his character, etc - just wondered if dissatisfaction is hampering his performance. DOB, you have any insight into him? (Just casting about for possible answers/reasons for his lack of success.)

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

But, if you ask how “we’ll” feel if one of the dregs-of-humanity breaks the record of a truly, fine and honorable gentleman here, against the Braves, then you have a question.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Will someone answer this question? Who would you rather get Tex, Gagne,Damaso Marte or Zach Grienke? You can choose Two.

By ssiscribe

July 21, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Top of the afternoon, denizens, as the family of Scribes preps for the trip to Turner Field for tonight’s tilt with the defending World Series champs.

So glad the rain held off yesterday. Great game to watch last night, until the eighth. Granted, I wanted Wainwright to pitch well and once he was in line to get the win, I wasn’t going to be too upset if the Braves lost, long as Adam picked up the W.

But Soriano right now is totally gassed. He’s throwing hard, but not seeing much movement. The bridge between the starters and Wickman isn’t too stable right now, and I think the closer we get to July 31, the more we’re going to see Atlanta focus on getting relief help, especially of the southpaw variety.

Now, Wainwright (noted transition from the Scribe): Made me proud to watch the skinny kid from the SSI do his thing last night. He looked really nervous to me in the beginning (and I know for a fact he was, with so many family and friends in attendance). And the two wild pitches and passed ball leading to a run and the early 1-0 hole didn’t help matters any.

But the kid is poised; always had been. He buckled down, focused and really pitched great. I’ve seen a lot of really cool baseball things in person, and for that, I consider myself very blessed. But last night, knowing the type of person he is and how hard he’s worked, his relationships with several of the Braves (and several more who have been traded), and the way his career has unfolded, it was really neat being able to watch him pitch in person and see him perform. Great job, AW.

Now, tonight (noted transition): It was weird cheering for both teams last night (felt like a visitor in my own house, with the red golf shirt on and all). Tonight, it’s back to rootin’ for the home team, which needs to close this homestand with two wins. I said and wrote the Braves needed to go 7-3 on the homestand. The Braves now are 4-4, so win twice and Atlanta comes one game under that mark.

And some help from the Dodgers would be nice, too.

Enjoy your weekend. For now, the Scribe abides.

—30—

By Carolina Lady

July 21, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

KC, I fully agree with your 2:16 post. When Bonds elected to sit out the extra games recently, the thought occurred to me that perhaps he is trying to set up a confrontation with the Braves and take the record from Hank and rub it in the Braves’ face at the same time. Sounds like him, doesn’t it?

Words can not convey the utter disgust I have for that man. I don’t tolerate cheats and liars easily.

If the Braves do have to face him with the record pending, I truly hope that he will be walked in every AB. Why is he being pitched to, anyway? Pride?

By Wayne in Utah

July 21, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

The Truth Hurts Dude, your 1:42AM post last night was DEAD ON.

So much negativity from guys like Coach, Mr. Baseball and Savannah Guy. And you guys call yourselves fans. If I was as negative as you are about our managment team, I would find another team to pull for.

Listen some to XM and how everyone raves about the stability and success of the Braves system.

DOB Dead on for NaCl. First base or trade him. The question is, for what???

Today, we are not crying about our pitching because JoJo made a decent start, and the others were dealing this week, but I remember several times over the past month how all the “expert” bloggers here were bemoaning our rotation as desperately needing a #3 arm.

Personally, I am torn on our greatest needs. I would like to see us get an impact player for NaCl if he indeed is traded, and I think I like Snell or Gorzelanny better than Tex. Just a gut feel. What a coup if we could get 2 relievers, Snell and Tex while being able to keep Escobar. Not beyond the realm of other deals JS has conjured up. (take that, you negative dudes!)

Let’s hope Buddy keeps it going today!

By JasonInMaine

July 21, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Colin,

Tough question…but considering I want to win now while considering next year as well…

I think I would take Tex and Marte. I really like Greinke’s potential, but I am not sure how much he would contribute this year (could be a lot) and I still have health concerns with Gagne.

Regards,

Jason

By Wayne in Utah

July 21, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

KC Well stated. Hammerin’ Hank was/is a class individual, and Barry is the total opposite. What a shame.

Personally, I will never recognize BB as the greatest homerun hitter of all time.

By Coach ( Pitching , Pitching Pitching , Dammit !)

July 21, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

No , question. Teixeira and Greinke. I have to assume that since the Braves are pursuing Teixeira the payroll will see a significant increase. add those two and the Braves would have the extra gas to run right over the Muts. Of course , if there isn’t a big trade between now and July 31st , I’ll be starting work on the casket for this 2007 squad.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

DOB

Still have to beat the Reds and Cards to get there. You have to beat those teams.

By Chop Chop

July 21, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

As far as I can tell, I’m the only guy on here to point out the massive ironic explosion that went off last night at Chavez Ravine. Jose Valentin (forever known now as “He Who Criticized Julio Franco For Trying To Lead When He Was Not Hitting Well”) fouled a pitch off of his right shin in the top of the 4th inning.

He broke his damn leg, folks. A fractured right tibia.

Jose had this to say about his predicament:

“It’s probably going to take me all the way until September to come back and play,” said the switch-hitting Valentin, who is batting .240 with three homers, 18 RBIs in 166 at-bats spanning 51 games. “They’re going to put a cast on it and I guess I have to be like that for six weeks. Hopefully the team can play well and give me a shot to be in the playoffs.”

Willie Randolph had this to say:

“He’s a gamer, he’s always been a fighter, and no one feels as bad as I do about the situation he’s in,” Randolph said. “Hopefully, he’ll get back soon. I mean, if it’s a six-week kind of deal, maybe he’ll be back to help us out down the stretch. Anytime one of your players go down, you feel bad for him. But you’ve got to get past that and get ready for tomorrow.”

(Great canned stuff, Willie. Sounds like Joe Morgan is giving you pointers.)

If Jose Valentin is sitting over there on the bench or in the clubhouse and notices a young player doing something/not doing something to help the club win a ballgame, well, he’s not contributing to the team in any way, so I guess he’d better keep his damned mouth shut.

Also, how can a man hitting .240 in three times the ABs publicly criticize a man nearly 12 years older than him for hitting .200?

Look. I’m not a huge Julio Franco fan. It’s true that he doesn’t really provide much on the field anymore. However, he’s a leader. He knows the game better than almost anyone in the dugout, no matter where he goes. Maybe the argument some of the Mets players had is that he might need to temper it a little. Maybe they were just “taken out of context”. In any event, as a younger guy, I wouldn’t want Julio snatching a candy bar out of my hand and throwing it in the trash. I don’t think I’d be snotty enough to find the point he’d be making by throwing that mouth-watering 5th Avenue bar away any less valid if I’m a better hitter than he is. Then again, I’m not (I’ll just pick two random young Mets here) Jose Reyes or Lastings Milledge, so…I guess I can’t understand it.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

DOB

You make these long posts pronouncing what must be done and why things are so unlikely and blah blah blah. What do you want people to do in response to your posts? I mean, do we go, ‘Yeah, you’re right.’ Then what? What’s your point, exactly?

People can write whatever they want. Am I suppose to say that this team will pull it around after every rough loss. I’m allowed to state my opinion. 40-25 to win the division. That isn’t an insane number. That is 91-71. Is no team going to win 90 games in the NL. I’m sorry I disagree. By the way, it is a blog DOB. I can write those long posts about the team. I am a fan. When the strength of your team (bullpen) is terrible as of late, things start to look a little bleak.

By raindawg722

July 21, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah, I completely agree with your comment about the whipsaw judgments on our greatest needs based on last night’s box score. I mean, what are we … Cubs fans?

By KC

July 21, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Carolina Lady: “If the Braves do have to face him with the record pending, I truly hope that he will be walked in every AB.”

Not me. I don’t want to see him walked. I want to see him plunked in the ribs every time up.Ya know, tolerance is not always a good thing… and I am personally saddened by the amount of tolerance that’s been shown for Barry Bonds.

In baseball, when you succeed, you do it at the expense of the opposing team. When you get a hit or a run off a pitcher, it goes against that pitcher. When you help your team get a win, you hand the opposing team a loss in the process. And when you succeed fair and square, that’s great! That’s competition.

But when you cheat in order to squeeze out more hits, homeruns, or wins… you have essentially stolen from opposing players. Actually, when you consider that pitchers’ pay is largely commensurate to their numbers… you literally steal from them when you cheat as a hitter.

Why should there be tollerance for this??? Why haven’t players risen up and said “enough is enough… we’re going to police our own”?

Barry Bonds’ situation is a little different from anyone else’s at the moment who we know has used illegal performance enhancers. Barry, unlike Giambi, Sosa, or anyone else, is about to break the most sacred record in sports… and he will have cheated to get it.

Unfortunately, the single season HR record has already lost all it’s meaning thanks to Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa. It shouldn’t be allowed to happen again! Why can’t players have the balls to say “we’re not going to let this happen”?

While there isn’t enough hard evidence to take official action against Bonds, everyone knows Barry has been using… and it would be very simple to prevent him from shamefully stealing this record and tarnishing the game. Every time he steps in the box (and I do mean every time), the opposing pitcher should plunk him. Eventually, he’ll get tired of being hit and he’ll go home. This is not difficult. There just isn’t enough resolve to rise up and protect the honor of the game. Sad.

By JasonInMaine

July 21, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Coach ( Pitching , Pitching Pitching , Dammit !),

I was thinking the same two, but we really, really need a lefty out of the pen (it would have been nice to have Marte to face Junior and Dunn the other night…of course, it would have been even better to have a healthy Gonzo!). I think Greinke’s upside is huge though. I was torn between the two…I think Greinke can still be a 20 game winner or a closer.

Regards,

Jason

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

DOB

Crystal ball?

Prediction. It is called a prediction. I am not saying this team won’t win the wild card. I just think the Mets will win the division.

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

People can write whatever they want. Am I suppose to say that this team will pull it around after every rough loss. I’m allowed to state my opinion. 40-25 to win the division. That isn’t an insane number. That is 91-71. Is no team going to win 90 games in the NL. I’m sorry I disagree. By the way, it is a blog DOB. I can write those long posts about the team. I am a fan.

Efrin I agree, dude. But, on this blog that is like getting an endorsement by Osama bin Laden. But, hang in there, son. They are your opinions and you have every right to express them.

By joe from central ca

July 21, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Anyone see what Bedard from the O’s did last night? I think he would be a great addition to the rotation. 1st in AL in strikeouts, ERA in the low 3’s, 9 wins, throws lefty and a salary in the 3 mil range and won his fifth consecutive game on Friday. I think it would be great to get him and possibly Dotel for relief. That might be enough to push us over the top. Especially getting Ledezma back to spell some of these recent relief problems.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave You f*** retard!!!! You smigling little f*** p!ss ant!!! IF YOU DONT THINK WE HAD DUD PLAYERS THAT CAME UP SHORT IN THE F*** POSTSEASON THEN YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST F*** ON THIS F*** PLANET YOU STUPID PIECE OF S**!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEVER ONCE CALLED YOU A MORON AND THEN YOU GONNA CALL ME A DAMN FOOL!!! F*** YOU!!!! YOU PIECE OF SH!T!!!!!!!!

By Bill

July 21, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

I would take Marte and Greinke. Pitching is what it’s going to take to win. We don’t need any high salary and broken down pitchers. The pen is worn out. Need help. I don’t see the Braves making it, if they are out at least 6 games the last week of July.

By David-ATL14

July 21, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Pass on Tex at any price. if we move salty grab pitching.

Marte,Greinke,Snell, Dotel some combination.

By TLJ

July 21, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

When I first saw where JS stated he would not trade Escobar or Salty for Tex I decided this was a dead issue. He actually took this position in the mid 90’s when acquiring McGriff. SD asked for our top young players and was told no. They settled for lesser prospects. Could lightning strike a second time?

It would be great to get Tex and still have Escobar and Salty. But what do you do with Salty? That is a good problem to have, maybe we could then secure some pitching.

By Chop Chop

July 21, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

I agree, joe from central ca.

The Braves need to get Bedard. The Orioles don’t want to make the playoffs for at least ten more years, so the Braves should avail them of any possibility of doing so. I suggest trading Thorman, Woodward and Paronto to acquire Mr. Bedard’s services.

WHOA! Hey! Calm down, people! I know Paronto is a vital cog to the bullpen, but you have to give up talent to get talent. Geez. This isn’t a fantasy baseball trade, for God’s sake.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Paladin,

I agree. I just don’t understand why saying the Braves need to go 40-25 to win the division is such an insane statement. The NL East is mediocre, but it isn’t the NL Central last year. We aren’t going to win the division by going 83-79. I picked a number of 40 wins out of 65 and DOB jumps all over me like white on rice. A damn shame.

By Carolina Lady

July 21, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

KC, I’ve wondered why pitchers have pitched to him all along. They know he’s dirty; I wouldn’t lower myself to contribute to his ego trip and tarnish one fine man in the process.

‘Course, I know the managers individually may have other ideas. And regular plunking him would inevitably result in blanket warnings being issued before the start of every game.

Even the SFO people don’t seem to realize or care that he doesn’t give a hoot about them or the Giants. He is playing for one single purpose: topping Hank’s record. Which also shows his extreme disdain for Hank himself.

I shouldn’t be surprised by the very low degree to which people will stoop, but the complete lack of morals and personal character leaves one just shaking one’s head.

Baseball authorities have brought shame upon themselves for allowing this to proceed. Greed above all.

By N8

July 21, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

“Why haven’t players risen up and said “enough is enough… we’re going to police our own”?”

Does the federal government let the inmates run and “police” the prisons? My guess (and that’s ALL it is), is that there are/were WAY more players using than will ever be truthfully known. Meaning that it’s kind of hard for the players to even form an alliance of people to go after the “users”, when you don’t know who you can trust.

I’m not so sure I buy the 40 percent figure that Canseco threw out there, but how do we really know?

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Efrin What part do you agree with: My “endorsement” being about as worth while as Osama’s? Just kidding, son, just kidding.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave Hope you still aint holding your breath you dumb m*******!!!! Because JS is probably not wasting much time on getting your presious Tex!!! He is out their trying to get a #3 or #4 guy and a Lefty reliever THAT CAN ACTUALLY GET LEFTIES OUT!!! Thats EXACTLY what I have been saying!!! And then if he can get a Wiggington, or Conine player then that would be good also!!! Idiots like you think all we need is Tex and he put us in the playoffs, and we win the World Series!!! Guess what we aint making the playoffs IF we dont get a #3 or #4 Starter, and a Lefty reliever!!! I will take those two before Tex!!! But thats right stupid piece of sh!ts like you think you are always right!!! GUESS WHAT YOUR NOT YOU F*** HEADED BASTARD!!!!!! Oh yeah apparently you never payed too close attention in all those playoff losses, because we had some DUD players that produced nothing!!! How you did not see that is beyond me!!! F*** your stupid f*** stats!!! Stats aint every f*** thing!!! IF we had more guys to produce in the playoffs we win MORE than ONE Championship!!! And I would figure 80% of the bloggers on here would agree!!!

By Fred Secunda

July 21, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

DOB, if Willie Harris continues this tailspin (he looks lost up there right now as pitchers have learned to make adjustments on him), what are the chances we see Brandon Jones in a platoon role in left before September?

By Lew

July 21, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Let’s see now-A sense of Entitlement in a public forum? Duh. It IS a public forum. Say what’s on your mind. The rest must suffer silently? I don’t think so. Open up on your own. Say what’s on your mind. If someone agrees with you they’ll let you know. If they don’t agree. Damn. I guess they’ll let you know about that, too. Alternatively, scroll past whomever you don’t want to hear from. If you can’t come to these conclusions on your own, maybe the question should be what your problem is. Paladin-Certainly this should not be a problem for a Dawg afficionado. I KNOW you’ve got more sense than to believe that bunch of BS. You certainly don’t suffer in silence, nor should you.

By Lew

July 21, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Ron-Dude-Let’s not get your panties in a bunch. You can’t afford the loss of cerebral circulation.

By The Truth Hurts

July 21, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Joe from Central Ca. and Chop Chop,

I’ll say this politely: which galaxy do you live in? Do they play baseball there?

So, you want to just go get Erik Bedard. Because Baltimore would want to give up their most promising young pitcher (a lefty, to boot) for…Thorman, Woodward, and Paronto? Basically, two of the three cast-offs the Braves have to offer.

Would the MLB 2007 video game even let that trade go through? I got it! Let’s give Thorman and Sturtze and Orr for Tex and Gagne and Otsura.

You build around stud SPs. It’s really that simple. Especially when you’re in a market that has lost for a decade now, spends money, has a nice stadium, good fans…yada yada yada…a terrible owner (who was it that killed the purported offseason LaRoche trade to Baltimore b/c it included their #1 pitching prospect?)

I would like to get Albert Pujols to play 1B. Let’s give St. Louis a box suite at Turner and free passes to the Coke Museum. We’ll throw in a guided tour at the aquarium. They’re bound to love that in land-locked St. Louie.

It’s tiring reading about all these proposed trades that have the Braves getting all-league talent in exchange for all-AA talent.

Yes, JS paid me to say that—at least according to Mr. Baseball, who is incredulous that one could believe that Atlanta is damn lucky to have someone who knows what they’re doing at the top.

Rumors, for what they’re worth, have Salty as the price for Arroyo. Arroyo! A slightly above average pitcher who had just as bad, if not worse, 10 start stretch than he has a pretty good, current 5 start stretch. A career ERA over 4. A losing record. One good year (maybe 1.5) out of 4 seasons starting.

And Braves fans want to give what up for Tex (a career .285 hitter, 36HR, 115RBI, .370OBP?) Oh, he went to college at Ga. Tech. Well then, let’s lower the price to Snitker and a base coach to be named later…he’s obviously meant to be here since he went to school here and all.

By The Truth Hurts

July 21, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Okay, Chop Chop, I didn’t read your 3:35pm post with the correct tone the first time. I get facetiousness. No, really, I do. My bad.

My point is only that you see a lot of inane trade proposals on here which, when they don’t go through, stir up the cauldron that is the blog.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Umm im pretty sure we could get Tex and a Lefty pitcher why do they need a 3 or 4 starter umm lets See Buddy Carlyle…James and Jo-Jo have all done a respectable job now lets get some offense.CJ Wilson could be packaged with Tex there see we need Tex to catch the muts.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Its over pack it in…the Mets are catching fire and we cant beat scrubs….If we dont win every series from here on out and make a major move well look forward to opening day 2008.

By joe from central ca

July 21, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

the truth hurts I never mentioned who the braves should or shouldn’t trade. I just said I’d like to see them make a trade for Bedard. I do think however, we could get him for Salty or Escobar and someone like a Davies or possible starter. I understand baseball and what it takes to make trades for “possible” studs. All I’m saying is if we are going to give up one or two of our young studs then go get a young stud and Bedard would be the guy I’d pay the price for.

By bravesfan

July 21, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

The Mets are going to sweep the Dodgers already up 4 to 0 today. I hate the Mets but we better watch out cause they are hot right now. I think we better focus on the wild-card.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Damn. Mets out to a 4-0 lead on Brad Penny and LA. I could definitly see the teams out West slowing down. If Penny has a second half like he did last year, their team is in trouble. Peavy arm is starting to give him trouble. Sab Diego would be dead without him.

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

Lew I didn’t intend(and I don’t know whether—or not— the author did)for that to apply to all posts. Anyone as observant as you are, knows that there is a lot of inter-play that could best be said by e-mail. As I said yesterday, I haveno problem with people disagreeing with me, as long as it is done in a polite, or humorous manner. Yes, I can take it as well as dish it out. I would have trouble with someone “disagreeing” with me as we have seen on here this afternoon.

I’m glad that I seem to be “coming up” each time you post to me. Thank God, for my dawg affiliation. :-)

By Colin

July 21, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

The mets are going to win the divison because WE CANT BEAT SCRUBS 4/5 losses against the REDS AND RED BIRDS….HERE WE COME OPENING DAY 2008!!!!

By Lew

July 21, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Y’all-Texiera has missed 27 games this season and 3 out of 5 years in MLB, he has missed at least 15 games. What do y’all do when Chipper misses time? Could we really afford any more blog suicide attempts? Not to mention that Tex has put up those awesome power numbers in one of the Premier Stadiums for HR hitting in all of MLB. Do you really think that his power would not be diminished in a more pitcher friendly park such as Turner Field? He will cost over 3 million the rest of this season and when he goes to 5th year arbitration over the winter (look at Miguel Cabrera’s arbitration award last year) he may get a raise to over $10 mil per year. Yeah, he would be a decent piece to the puzzle (maybe), but way too expensive and he has iffy health. Let’s move on. We should be fortifying our pen. That is where the most potential affordable talent is and seems (in recent days) to be the piece that needs the most attention. The starting pitching is looking good and the hitting problems from the past few games would not have been helped much by having a better 1B-some timely hitting by the players we already have would have helped.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Get Marte Grienke Wilson Torres jus do it

By Lew

July 21, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Paladin-Dude, I’ve never had a problem with you except on one of your original posts. I haven’t meant to give you the impression, otherwise (however, like I said, being a Dawg fan is good for anyone’s character). But so what about the better by email thing? What difference should it make whether here or in private? Say what’s on your mind. It certainly doesn’t matter if anyone (and I include myself here) agrees with you or not. I know for a fact that they’ll let you know one way or another-or not. If the post is by someone whose opinion you don’t respect then scroll past or take it up with them as to your disagreement. But this suffering in silence deal is nothing but a big pile of BS. It is not essential that you suffer at all, much less in silence. My God, if DOB disagrees with you and you think he’s wrong (or me or anyone else) then let them know. That’s YOUR right as much as it is mine. As far as the Entitled statement-take said entitlement on your own shoulders and state your own opinions. That’s what this whole thing is supposed to be about. Form your own Entitlement Group if you feel left out.

By bravesfan

July 21, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

HECK YEAH!!!! LAD 5 NYM 4 MATT KEMPT 3 RUN HR GO DODGERS!!!

By Colin

July 21, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

BRAVES ARE GOING TO WIN THE DIVISION 5-4 DODGERS OVER METS!!!!!!LETS GO DODGERS!!!!!

By The Truth Hurts

July 21, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, as for your 2:18am post…no doubt w/ an elixir in one hand and a keyboard in the other…I wasn’t calling you out, as you say. Disagree with your assessment of Mr. Baseball’s earlier post as “hard but fair?” You bet.

When someone actually types that the Braves have been going downhill since ‘96, I have to take issue with that—especially as it relates to the GM and his role in postseason failures.

Am I satisfied? At the risk of treading on worn ground, of course not. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…we should have 3 or 4 rings, just as you said, rather than 1. Absolutely, without a doubt, the sun rises in the East. I think most on here would agree with that—it’s common sense not ingenuity.

Of course I’m spoiled…all Braves fans are. That’s my point. Arguing that the what-ifs and other possibilities define who someone is…is, well, silly. At least to the extent that it fails to capture the essence of what has been going on w/ this organization for 16 years now. To me, it’s missing the proverbial forest for the trees.

You wrote, “JS has done a fine job most of the time. So have the Braves. Regardless, we love’em, through thick and thin. It’s not all about JS or Bobby or Wohlers or Herbeck or Puckett or Kolb or whatever happened in the past…it’s about not currently having the insurance of reliable starting pitching to get us over the humps of the inevitable mismanagement when budgets and GM foresight can’t possibly match our hindsight.”

What? You mean it’s about being like every other baseball team in the league?

It is about the past, the track record of leadership…because the past was argued as a reason for the our team’s purported descent into…wherever we’re headed according to those that apparently think 14 straight division titles (and playoff appearances) have earned JS no capital whatsoever.

I have a grip and am relaxed, Savannah Guy, but thank you for the condescension. I’m not apoplectic, I promise. I am mystified by what seems to me to be the unrealistic expectations some of us have for this organization. It seems that we could be the victims of our own success. The attendance at HOME playoff games alone—since about ‘98— proves to me that perhaps the real problem is as much about attitude toward the team as it is attitude within the team. Sure, the Braves aren’t clutch, or at least weren’t clutch save for 1995. Sure, okay. Neither was the city. That same attitude seems to me to be reflected in many of the posts I see on the blog.

“Now shut up and have a white russian.”

Savannah Guy…my man, relax. Get a grip on your drink. Swallow that Tylenol PM and wash it down with some vodka. It does a liver good. I held down the night shift by myself last night. Nary a creature stirred. I know that Mr. Baseball is destined to revisit the topic. I hope it’s hard but fair.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Get Marte Grienke Torres Dotel Do it!!!!

By Colin

July 21, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Does anyone agree?

By Lew

July 21, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Paladin-There was also an ex blogger recently that admitted to me in private, that he had posted under your name. When you’ve caught grief from people, that may have been a big reason. It happened a couple of weeks ago.

By MEB

July 21, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

S O S A… Jorge is melting down on cue in Los Angeles. Mets have some serious issues with their starting pitchers. I still like our chance to take the division without selling our soul.

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Lew Ok, I’ll let that go. I’m shoveling it against the tide, obviously.

Now to football, briefly. As I was telling someone the other day: Herchel Walker? I go all the way back to Charlie Trippi. And I understand that the Bard of Brentwood is a Techster. I bet he goes all the way back to John Heisman. :-)

By The Truth Hurts

July 21, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Joe from Central Ca., I didn’t mean to suggest that you mentioned who we should or shouldn’t trade.

As the great philosopher Rob Base said, “It takes two to make a thing go right. It takes two to make it out of sight.”

If you think “we could get him for…” then you’re obviously more in tune with Baltimore’s willingness to deal good young pitching talent w/ far more of a record of success than Salty/Escobar/Davies.

I wish we could just name the guy we want and make an offer. Usually, however, it takes two to tango.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Yea i have always wondered why when i watch the playoff games the park was empty can someone explain that to me? I mean if i lived any where near Atlanta i sure the heck would be there but that is jus me!

By TommyB

July 21, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Dave O’B: Are you aware of any discussion one way or the other on whether Soriano may have an injury?

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Paladin-There was also an ex blogger recently that admitted to me in private, that he had posted under your name. When you’ve caught grief from people, that may have been a big reason. It happened a couple of weeks ago.

Lew Hey, dude, I really appreciate you sharing that with me, and others. But, the majority of trouble I have gotten into has been with my own words and authorship.

But, they can say what they will about me but I have never posted under an other’s name; I am not Stinky; and I am man enough to take my medicine.

Thanks again for being a really big man.

By Jon

July 21, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

DOB—just got back from announcing the little league all star games in brooks georgia..noticed where you said the Braves WILL get a left handed reliever….who you think is tops on the list? Id love to get Marte from Pittsburg and Arroyo from the Reds!

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

LINEUP:

LF Harris SS Renteria 3B Jones CF Jones C McCann RF Francouer 2B Johnson 1B Thorman P Carlyle

Why is Harris and Thorman in the lineup? Can we finally just give Diaz the left field job? I thought Salty was going to get the job from now on?

By MEB

July 21, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Colin… park has never been empty for a Braves playoff game. Atlanta gets a bad rap for from the media for this. Weekday playoff games with an early TV start time are a few thousand shy of a sellout. The good people of Atlanta work for a living and getting to the Ted for a mid-week early afternoon game is tough. Over 40,000 for these games is not too bad. I live four hours from Atlanta and I make as many games as I can and I am looking forward to getting back in the playoff chase.

By the way, Dodgers over the Mets 9-4.

GO BRAVES!!!

By Bill

July 21, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

The Mets are falling apart. Dodgers 8-4 I hope JS doesn’t trade Salty for Arroyo. I’m just not sold on him. He’s only had two good seasons. He’s just not worth the money.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

I heard a rumor that JS is interested in Carlos Silva from the Twins!!! Now that would be a guy that we should go after to be our #4 Starter!!! Perfect Fit, and it would not cost us much, probably just Thorman and a descent prospect from the minors!!! I doubt we actually trade for him, But that is who we need somebody like that!!! OR Odalis Perez from the Royals!!! I like JoJo, But he has had JUST two starts in the Majors, we got to get a veteran!!!

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

* falcon80* 5:00 post: Point made. Not a valid, seasoned point…but made.

Deer Hunting Hey, because of falcon80 and others (the dog boy) I wrote a piece earlier today with the intention of giving an evolved, informed perspective on the great sport of hunting, but I got so into it that it became a magazine article. So I’ll do everyone a favor and NOT post it. It was great though and a lot of fun to write. Perhaps I’ll figure out a way to post a link…but then I’m a techno-idiot. I have to say, it was quite brilliant.

serbok Safari is a great browser. Been on it for a few years now. High-speed Comcast cable, PowerMac and jet fuel. Of course, after you get used to it, it still seems slower than you want. Never satisfied completely I guess. Also, it still slows way down when the blog gets full. Hopefully AJC will take advantage of current IT technology that will enable blogs to run closer to real time and link bloggers if they want. That could be scary, eh?

The Truth Hurts Hey man, you must have felt your ears burning. I was just replying to your late night (1:42) post. Guess I’ll have to edit it a bit now since you have, well, not so much apologized as just recognized the folly of your blanket condemnation of Braves criticism.

Wow denizen, were you just, tired? Grumpy? Tipsy? Smacked out of your gourd? C’mon now, admit it, with a monker like yours you can’t ALWAYS be positive about every aspect of Braves baseball? No? Then let me get this straight…you jump on anyone for saying anything negative about the Braves right? Does that make good sense or seem fair to you? Nope? Then we agree.

Hey, seriously, I didn’t deserve the rash of stuff you were throwing but no harm no umbrage taken. No big deal either. It was just that, after such a pleasant and oft silly evening of blogging…then you show up and throw fire ants on the picnic. Again, no problem, it was late and I can understand how you might have misinterpreted or over thought (or overreacted). Benefit of doubt is a good thing. Try it sometime. And yes, the white russians were quite tasty and flowing regularly. It’s my drug of choice. Try one some time. It’s all cool blog bro.

In the meantime, I am going to stay the hell out from in between you and mr baseball on this one. You guys slug it out. I have better things to think about. Fight fair now.

Señor Blanco Could you read my espanole last night? It was a dialect that few speak, from a remote province of Peru settled by russian immigrents many decades ago: rooskie-spanisholisimo.

By Ron

July 21, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Efrim I dont understand either about that lineup!!! BC starts Julio over Salty, and now starts Thorman over Salty!!! I am getting sooo sick of this crap!!! JS its clear that BC is not gonna play Salty enough, so get ready to trade him by July 31, or trade him in the offseason!!! Its clear whats going on!!! And why is Willie STILL hitting leadoff? If Escobar leads off when he stars at 2nd, then Johnson should leadoff when he starts at 2nd!!! But as long as Willie is in the game, he will leadoff, even if he is 0 for 50!!! BC sometimes irritates the crap out of me!!! This is the First year that I have Really had complaints about BC!!! I think he is losing his damn head this year!!!

By mr baseball

July 21, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

Truth Hurts: I see you’re up and about today, so I’ll take one more shot at this before moving on. Not sure where you received your education, but I’m guessing reading comprehension surely wasn’t a primary subject.

You clearly discerned my criticism of the GM, but somehow skipped right past the numerous moves he’s made that I give him great credit for. Just about every positive deal he made that you cited in your kiss-the-GM’s-tush post during the wee hours was mentioned in my assessment of the job he’s done here. My post was pretty fair and balanced toward the GM, a phrase I figure you’re familiar with given your inability to respond to points you disagree with without resorting to ridicule or obfuscation.

As I have said on more than one occasion, JS did a terrific job as GM his first 4 or 5 years here. But his track record for the last decade is very spotty, and is arguably the main reason for the Braves’ declining fortunes in the post-season. I won’t bore ya’ll with my thesis on the three “eras” of Braves baseball post-91, but if you look at how they’ve played in the post-season, there are 2 detectable dropoffs, the first after 1996, the second after ‘99.

Those dates happen to coincide with the 3 trades he made that did significant harm to the team’s offense. Maybe those 3 trades had nothing to do with the Braves gradually becoming a truly lousy post-season team, but barring another logical explanation, I’m sticking with that.

You and your cohorts who worship the GM and/or manager, start from the premise that since the Braves have been an incredibly successful team since ‘91 (regular season at least), the people running the team have to be doing their jobs so well as to be beyond any serious examination of their efforts.

Because of the Braves’ run of success, both the manager and GM are ticketed for Cooperstown. If you stand back, however, and take a detached look at exactly how well they have done their jobs — not the team’s impressive win-loss record — you might come to a different conclusion.

Personally, I think the key to the Braves’ 14 straight division titles has been the quality of the farm system, which has produced one major league caliber position player after another, as well as a string of pitching prospects that has enabled JS to trade for missing pieces. During the early ’90s, he was in GM heaven here, and performed his job very capably. Since ‘97, he has made a lot of good moves, along with at least as many that just reeked and left the team in worse shape after the fact.

Without going into mind-numbing detail, among his failings have been: repeatedly refusing to shell out peanut money on the bullpen, which has cost the team more than once in the post-season and killed the Braves the past few seasons; failing to adequately replace either Klesko or Boone after his stupefyingly stupid trade, leaving 2 holes in the lineup for 3 straight years; getting precious little in return the last 5 or 6 years for most of the system’s best pitching prospects.

On the whole, the guy has done a quality job, but I don’t think it’s being negative to point out when he hasn’t. Lots of people in baseball think he’s a genius. Maybe he is. But I don’t see that reflected in how he’s done his job. For every Renteria, Wickman and Hudson, there’s a Kolb, Reggie Sanders, Keith Lockhart. Everybody makes mistakes, but Hall of Fame GMs aren’t supposed to make as many as JS has.

As long as the farm system remains intact, the Braves will survive the retirements of the manager and GM. The talent is there, and there are a lot of baseball execs who can be successful with it.

One last aside: Why is it that just about every high profile player he has traded for/signed over the last 7 or 8 years has been such a miserable failure in the post-season? Not his fault, I realize, but interesting to consider.

By Wayne in Utah

July 21, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Dodgers get a double play to end the top of the 7th.

Dodgers 8, Mets 4.

As a formere Giants fan, it is hard to pull for the Dodger blue!

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

Hope Salty wasn’t traded. I think this team needs two relivers. One from each side. Wheeler and CJ Wilson would be nice. Greinke would cost too much. Probably Brandon Jones. I wouldn’t do it. Greinke is good, but he is all potential right now.

By AthensBrave

July 21, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

whats up fellas? just got back from Canada.

what the f is going on w/ Soriano? Is he injured?

By DasSudlichWagenheberEsel

July 21, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

No pelotas…you cono!…

By Colin

July 21, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

O well it seems like the people have came into the playoffs the last few years we have made it with the same attitude.”were going to lose in 4 or 5 so why bother and for sure were going to lose at home.”

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

uh oh, Beltran goes deep. 8-6 Dodgers. We really need the Mets to lose this game and us to win tonight. But I guess it really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. I mean, there is 65 games to go. I figure we will go 50-15 and win 101 games. So easy.

By TexasBrave

July 21, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

I completely understand wanting to get guys occasional starts so they don’t get rusty siting on the bench waiting to get pinch hit at bats. It will make them more effective pinch hitters. However, with three first basemen trying to give them all enough at bats will deminish them all in my opinion. There are just not enough at bats to go around. Who is our regular first baseman? Pick one and give him 90 percent of the at bats. You can rest him once every five or so games, but to be effective one of those guys needs the majority of the playing time.

Thorman has received most of the at bats the first half of the season and has proved that he still needs work. I like Julio but he simply cannot start and play well more than three days in a row. Salty has slumped lately but has done well this season and is the better hitter out of the three. I sincerely hope BC is not going to platoon all three.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

Damn Paladin, who ain’t ya fighting with these days? Let’s hug it out, beeoch.

I can’t believe I heard my whole life about 755 - 755, 714, 660 were magical, magical numbers. Heard about it all the time. Could not fathom such. Heard about 61 homers. Heard about the 56 game hitting streak. Heard about the Iron Horse’s 2130. .406 was the Splendid Splinter’s magical number. 1.12 was Gibson’s magical number. McClain’s 30 win season. 300 wins, 500 homers, 300 strikeouts.

But the 755 and the 61 were THE #s. The ones I thought I would go nuts about it if someone ever came close.

The truth is I just don’t care. Apathetic. Indifferent. Just don’t care. It’s a darn shame. I should be angry or maybe happy to see it happen. But I’m not. Just don’t care. Will probably see it happen ‘cause it looks like it is being scripted to happen against the Braves but I don’t care. If I go to the bathroom or into the kitchen to get something to eat and I miss it, I will not give a darn about missing it.

ANd that is wrong. So wrong it is not even funny. Baseball is far too long of a season to have meaningless statistics. The statistics are not everything to the sport but they almost are. It used to be (and someone my age should not be talking that way - except that I actually lived thru a much different era of baseball) that if your team was 20 games out, you would sit there and root for a guy to hit 10, 15 20 homers because that meant something but it no longer means anything.

A guy with 10 homers had some sneaky pop. A guy with 15 homers was a solid professional hitter. A 20 homer guy was a potential all star. A 25 -30 homer guy (Strawberry) was a dangerous man. A guy with 30 homers was a superstar. 40 homers a future HOFer. A guy with 50 homers was unheard of from George Foster until Cecil 15 or so years later. But you all know that.

Now if you go from a 20 homer type second baseman to a 10 homer type second baseman, you find yourself not resigned and playing for the Padres so that the team can convert an outfielder into a second baseman (correct move they should not have lost faith in because the kid failed to drop a bunt 6 weeks ago).

I just don’t care anymore. That is where baseball is in trouble. If enough of us don’t care over the long term about the stats because the stats have become meaningless and no one cares about division races because of the wildcard, then how is a baseball regular season going to be any different and less meaningless than basketball or hockey?

I never imagined once in my entire life that I would sit here and have the opportunity to watch the greatest player of his generation break the most famous record in sports that I spent my whole life hearing about and being in awe of and I just don’t care at all. Can’t believe that.

He might hit 755 and 756 against the Braves but his most memorable career defining moment against the Braves will still be his sissy throw to the plate on Bream because no one will care whatever his home run total ends up being.

By N8

July 21, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

“Why is it that just about every high profile player he has traded for/signed over the last 7 or 8 years has been such a miserable failure in the post-season? Not his fault, I realize, but interesting to consider.”

JS doesn’t have control over what the players he aquires, does on the field anytime, much less in the post-season.

But you know who does? Yup. That’s right, Bobby and TP (along with Clarence Jones and Don Baylor before him).

It’s Bobby’s beloved “pitching, defense and the 3-Run HR” philosophy that is to blame. During the regular season it’s a “fine” philosophy to have. Especially when you have 3 HOF pitchers doing their part to uphold the “pitching” part of that equation, and the Braves have always had good to above average defense.

But those damn 3-Run HR’s are hard to come by off of guys like Jack Morris and Kevin Brown come October, aren’t they?

The ONE guy that I’m surprised failed in the post-season for us, was JD Drew. He was the one guy that we aquired that wasn’t a hacker. But I guess he was just guilty by association, by the time October rolled around.

Now don’t take the above comment for me ripping on Cox in general. But the bottom line is this: Over a 162 game schedule you face MANY mediocre pitchers along with some really bad ones. How many times does that happen in the playoffs? It doesn’t. Really good pitchers (unless they pitch for the Braves), don’t give up 3-Run HR’s in the playoffs.

I’m not sure why so many people don’t see this more clearly. The hand that feeds us throughout the regular season, is the same hand that b!tch slaps us around during the playoffs.

Ever notice how many “little guys” end up being WS MVP’s? Why do you think that is?

By Colin

July 21, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Mets Lose 8-6 Lets Get a Win Tonight

By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

Das Sudlich WagenheberEsel,

Ehrenhafte Sudlich, wie geht es Ihnen heute? Was ist denn hier los?

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Ball game. Mets lose. 8-6. 3 games back. Lets take care of business tonight and tomorrow.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

Can the Braves get Marte and Wilson without giving up Salty or Yunel and if so who might they give up DOB?

By NC Bravos

July 21, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

Why is Thorman in the lineup? What the..?

Does someone know what the Braves’ W-L record is when Thorman is in the lineup vs. when he’s not? Just curious.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Sir John is a great GM. Bobby is a great manager.

But if I were their boss, I would have sat down with the two of them a long time ago and said what is the deal with this so close but yet so far routine? If I was their boss, I would have been a pompous fool and presumed I had given them the financial and human resources they needed to win (ain’t exactly true since Ted). I then would have said as the owner I have done my job (‘cause a boss never admits fault).

The failure of this team to win the WS more comes down to (1) the players; (2) the GM; (2) the manager. I would then tell them, don’t dare blame the players because I pay you to get a complete roster of the best possible players, Mr. GM, and to utilize the players the best way, Mr. Manager.

Either one of you is repeatedly coming up a little short in getting me the best complete roster of players (including pen and bench which you consistently seem to forget about) or one of you is repeatedly coming up short in properly utilizing the best complete roster of players or you are both coming up short (which it is clear you both are).

Cox has made his mistakes. But, for me, SIr John’s mistakes with the pen and bench have been the critical reasons for alot of the playoff failures in the 1990s. The team was always just a little bit short. In 1996 and 1999, they were as a good as the Yankees with their lineup and rotation, the Yanks bench and pen just kicked the hell out of the Braves in those series.

But it is hard to criticize because they have been so good and so critical to such an unprecedented run of stability and success. Don’t think I would have fired either but I think I would have lit more of a fire under SIr John to understand better how to design a fully complete roster which does not forget about the pen and bench - I also would have told the manager enough with stupid platoons and cronyism and faves that inhibit the ability of the GM to provide you a complete roster.

But I never would have fired either because only a fool would have done that. Maybe only a fool would have written or thought any of this.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 21, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

The moon and stars are coming into their proper alignment. The Richmond Braves have two day games scheduled tomorrow and Monday. Atlanta is playing at night. I will give ya’ll an update on the kids after I have a chance to scout them the next couple of days.

By Superman

July 21, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Im driving down for tommorrow nights game from tennessee. I only get to go to 1 maybe 2 games a year. Does anyone have any good tips on getting an autograph. I dont really care who I just want to make my sons day.

By Steve from OH

July 21, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

Braveheart

61 and 755 are still THE numbers for me. It doesn’t take a Ph.D. to know that Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, etc. are juiced. For me, their records don’t count. I hope to God Barry doesn’t break the record, but it’s going to happen…but even after he hits 756, Hank is the king to me, and will be until A-Rod approaches 755.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

1ST and 2ND no one out.

Better score some runs.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Come on McCann.

By bravesfan

July 21, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Superman if you get there really really early or sometimes after the game if you will go down there where the players park you can get some autographs or you can go down by the dugout when the gates open. You really aren’t garanteed to get an autograph at either one though.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

Other than April, what is this team’s home run totals?

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Way to go Kelly.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

Ron,

I hope your mom doesn’t see your profanity driven tirade. You can yell, scream, break your mama’s furniture, but it won’t change the fact that the numbers I quoted are real and indicative of the Brave’s biggest problem, inconsistency of offense. How many times has some numnuts with no talent stymied our hitters. Remember Carlos Silva. He kicked our a*. We should be kicking his a*, especially in the homerdome. Just so you know, you drew blood first and I simply pointed out your mistake from yesterday’s post.

Lew,

Here’s my earlier post disputing what you wrote about TEX.

If we were a little more consistent in scoring runs, we are in 1st place. Stats show we are getting on base, but stats also show we are striking out or grounding into double plays at a high rate. The most apparent culprit has been AJ. It is my contention that with Tex inserted into this lineup of good hitters we will score those extra runs and win those pivital games and pitching has more leads to work with.Maybe not a McGriff like punch, but close. He’s a switch hitter. Here are his 2006 stats:

Vs LHP .302 BA 12HR 30RUNS 32RBI

vs RHP .275 BA 21HR 69RUNS 86RBI

Contrary to some of the uninformed posts, he actually hit better away from Arlington 21 HRs AWAY, 12 HRs HOME

Here’s the facts that caused Ron to have his seizure.

When Braves are shut out they are 0-8.duh

When they score 1 to 3 runs they are 7-23

When they score 4 to 5 runs, they are 15-11

When they score 6 or more they are 29-4.

More importantly, in those game they lost while scoring no runs(less 1 blowout) their opponent averaged 4 runs a game.

In the games they lost scoring 1-3 runs(less 5 blowouts), their opponent averaged 3.5 runs per game.

Chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Ron,

If you keep up the profanity, I will not let you come over and play my son’s Nintendo anymore.

By bravesfan

July 21, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

Harris is hitting better tonight

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

I am sure that you astute and observant “sports” fans have seen the stuff about an NBA referee being charged with cheating and fixing. Yes Gil, I realize that he has not been convicted, but he has resigned. Anyway, can baseball and football be far behind? We have the technology to call balls n strikes electronically, but I hate to take the “human” element out of it But.

In football, however, there are too many what-was-the-intent of the player calls to do do it electronically. So, that leaves us….

I, for one, will tend to question them all.

Welsome back, Braveheart.

By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

On several occasions, I have asked how a 350+ hitter can not be in the everyday lineup … a rhetorical question for the blog, also asked of the Atlanta Braves through the online (contact us) form.

In neither case have I received an answer.

Is Matt being traded? … is he hurt? … is he in the doghouse?

It’s more than a rhetorical question … on the surface it simply doesn’t make sense. Seriously, what can be the reason(s)?

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

Superman,

You can get autographs down in the bullpen area near the outfield wall, Section 141. I think. If you go to the corner of the Brave’s dugout well before the game, sometimes you can get one. Sometimes guys shagging flys in BP will oblige. Good Luck.

I still have Tommy Glavine and Steve Avery’s autograph in my economics book from a game in Philly back in 1991. I hated that book, but will never give it up. I was studying for a test outside the stadium when the team bus came by.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this

Steve from OH,

I also will never think of Bonds as the HR champ. I think AROD will break it someday but I ain’t too sure how “clean” he is either. He is awfully huge for a shortstop. The guy kind of looks like a tight end like Tony Gonzalez playing short and third.

I also consider Griffey the real home run champ of 1998 because I like to think of him as the clean one. But I never know about him either. All those injuries are strange. I guess one could speculate they are because of steroids. But I don’t believe that with Griffey because he never got big and the problem with him was more that he never worked out, he played very recklessly (like Druw) diving and banging off everything, got to be 30 or so and it caught up to him.

Griffey has missed something like 570 games in his career because of devastating injuries and because of a strike. That is three and a half seasons. Considering alot of that was in his prime, it is not unreasonable to think he lost out on about 155 home runs in his career and that he would be sitting on about 740 home runs right now himself if he had stayed healthy and the strike never happened.

That is the real crime of steroids. If we presume Griffey is clean, then we can say he has been cheated. IF Griffey had cheated and used steroids, he most likely would have stayed healthy all these years since the turn of the century and been able to hit all those homers by playing in all those games.

ANd it would be reasonable to presume it would have been very sick if Griffey had used steroids. The problem with Bonds is that he was so much better than everyone before he used steroids, that when he used steroids, it became so obvious and disgusting and unfair in the competitive imbalance. But Bonds was more of a line drive hitter with power than Griffey.

Imagine if Griffey, who had more of an uppercut and was more of a natural home run hitter than Bonds, had actually used steroids with the freak natural home run power he already had. The dude would already have well over 800 home runs by staying healthy and by having extra power addeed to his natural power.

In 1998, with steroids, Griffey would not have plateaued out at his natural peak of 56. He would have made Sammy and Big Mac and even Bonds himself a few years later look like a bunch of amateurs.

Griffey with his stroke and natural home run hitting abilities, on steroids, might very well have hit over 80 home runs in 1998.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this

Here we go, Chipper can blow this game open…..

By The Truth Hurts

July 21, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

Obligatory warning: long post. I don’t post all that much, so forgive me. Skip if not interested.

Last comment on JS from me, Mr. Baseball, referencing our late-night repartee.

First, the spirit of N8’s last post is correct. Underachieving in the playoffs is certainly not something that falls on the shoulders of the GM. That’s ludicrous.

JS certainly hasn’t “hit” on all his moves, which I indeed said last night. I’m not sticking my head in the sand, however, when I suggest that it’s my opinion that you’re missing the point.

I’m not oblivious to the fact that some moves didn’t work out, for whatever reason. Okay, now name me all the baseball organizations, heck, all professional organizations, who are consistently put in the position to win a championship year after year after…in inarguably the toughest sport in which to do just that, to boot?

You gave him credit for his first 4 or 5 years. Yet, the exact same regular season result occurred in the 9 or 10 years AFTER you assess him to be leading this organization “downhill.” Nothing changed. We lost in the postseason in ‘91, ‘92, ‘93, ‘96-‘04. Heck, I’m surprised you’re giving him credit for ‘92—he brought in Reardon, didn’t he? Your words, not mine.

You said, “But his track record for the last decade is very spotty, and is arguably the main reason for the Braves’ declining fortunes in the post-season.”

Wait a minute. You mean the same baseball teams that he put on the field and were good enough to win 14 division titles weren’t good enough to win 2 and 3 postseason series? So, he’s responsible for putting the superior team out on the field for a 162 game season (14 times in a row) AND he’s responsible for not hitting in the clutch? Wow.

I don’t understand how you can compartmentalize like that. You notice two dropoffs in the postseason run? Were these the same teams that won their division, too? You don’t suppose that some of it might actually be in the player’s heads, do you? The expectation that something will go the other guy’s way and you’ll lose?

I guess I’m confused as to how you expect the organization to operate.

You: “Maybe those 3 trades had nothing to do with the Braves gradually becoming a truly lousy post-season team, but barring another logical explanation, I’m sticking with that.”

Fine. I think you’re wrong, but that’s okay.

You: “You and your cohorts who worship the GM and/or manager, start from the premise that since the Braves have been an incredibly successful team since ‘91 (regular season at least), the people running the team have to be doing their jobs so well as to be beyond any serious examination of their efforts.”

Absolutely, positively untrue. I simply think you have unrealistic expectations if, after 14 straight years of playoffs, after a decade of having a de facto salary cap, that you lay the blame of postseason failure in JS’s lap. Cox? Sure. Clutch hitting (which most of the Braves’ failures, imho, are due to)? Yep. You pay GMs to get your team to be competitive, to make the playoffs, to have as good a chance as anyone else to win. That’s all. We did. We still do. Inferior teams beat superior teams in the playoffs all the time.

You: “Because of the Braves’ run of success, both the manager and GM are ticketed for Cooperstown. If you stand back, however, and take a detached look at exactly how well they have done their jobs — not the team’s impressive win-loss record — you might come to a different conclusion.”

Herm Edwards needs to say something to you: “You play to win the game. You play to win the game. It’s that simple.”

“…not the team’s impressive won-loss record…”

Huh? Without that W-L record there are no playoffs, no chance to even compete for a title. Geez. Yes, the farm system has been good. You even acknowledge that JS has done pretty well in trading pieces to fit the larger puzzle. What more do you want him to do? Drive the ball into the gap?

Yes, he tried to save on the bullpen. I’ll say it again: w/ a hard cap, trade-offs. If you splurge on the bullpen, you don’t sign the SPs, etc.

“On the whole, the guy has done a quality job, but I don’t think it’s being negative to point out when he hasn’t.”

It isn’t. Again, I simply don’t understand what more you want. If the game were settled on paper, we might have 3 or 4 rings. It isn’t, so we don’t.

If JS isn’t a HOF GM…would you tell me someone who is?

“One last aside: Why is it that just about every high profile player he has traded for/signed over the last 7 or 8 years has been such a miserable failure in the post-season? Not his fault, I realize, but interesting to consider.”

Exactly. Not his fault. His job is to field teams that can win a WS. Making the playoffs is a prerequisite. He’s made bad calls. You cite some signings that didn’t work. How many players has he NOT resigned, which has helped the ballclub, too? That’s part of the equation.

Yet, the team is always competitive. And that, Mr. Baseball, is all you can ask for.

Unless you can hit a curve in October.

(Let’s keep it civil. I think your opinion is ridiculous. You think mine is brainwashed. Fine. Agree to disagree.)

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

Nice. Braves hit 36 home runs in April. They have hit 62 since May 1.

How does that happen?

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

Regarding Bonds,

I have only this to say. Does anyone believe that the manufacturer of these designer steriods wrote his business plan to cater to Bonds only. Ask yourself, how many players have admitted to being approached by these steroid jockeys, where they told them to get lost. I can’t remember any. So then Barry is either an isolated incident or there is widespread use going on til this day. Ever wonder how Roger Clemens can maintain such power well into his forties? Bonds gets the grief because he’s been the best hitter in the game for years and because its easy to dislike him. Personally, the whole situation stinks. I just try to move past it.

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this

Efrim With the (bad?) swing of the bat. Simple.

By DasSudlichWagenheberEsel

July 21, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

Gut abend Bob, Journalist—DasWagenheberEsel ist spielend mit das EselClowns!…

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

You are right about ARod. Have you ever seen pictures of him when he came out of Miami? Read my last post a few minutes back. I think its widespread and nobody wants to talk.

By Wayne in Utah

July 21, 2007 8:09 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave I too believe that Roger and MANY others have juiced. What for me sets Bonds apart from all others is twofold. His painfully obvious change of physique is MUCH greater than others in the game, and he is chasing the most reverred record in ALL sports, and it perceived to be doing it while being INCREDIBLY juiced, much more so than others. And his defiance and pursuit of the record are so relentless.

How many others would play to this point (age and injuries and inability to really perform daily) just to chase the record.

Barry is all about Barry. While that is not uncommon in sports, it does make it hard to like him or to pull for him.

Just my two cents worth.

By Paladin

July 21, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this

Ok, y’all, I’m goin’ to bed. But, I’ll be back in the morning. Nite all.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

1st and 3rd nobody out. If we don’t score, it will come back to haunt us.

By rByrdy

July 21, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

Buh-baric!..Buh-baric!!..BUH-BARIC!!!. ..Despicable!…Dastardly!!…

By bravesfan

July 21, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this

O yeah we better get Harris out of the lineup NOT!!!!

By DasSudlichWagenheberEsel

July 21, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this

Unglaublich!…

By Greg in TN

July 21, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

Evening folks…

Hey, let’s hear it from everyone tonight.

Hip, hip Jorge! Hip, hip Jorge! Hip, hip Jorge!

Really disappointed in the outcome of last night’s game. Soriano is really fighting it right now and it made it doubly disappointing after such a solid night from one Chuck James. But nothing like a start from Jorge Sosa to put the wind back into one’s sails.

I for one will be very interested in seeing how the Braves pitch Mr. Asterisk next week in San Fran. Let him earn his asterisk from someone else. In the end, regardless of how many he ends up with, the all time home run king will still be Hank in my mind.

Excellent night for baseball at the intersection of Bill Lucas Drive and Hank Aaron Drive. The lads of Signal Mountain brought their sticks to the park tonight.

By The Truth Hurts

July 21, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, sometimes I want to love you, buddy. Love in a metaphysical way, of course. And then you pull me back from the brink…

“not so much apologized as just recognized the folly of your blanket condemnation of Braves criticism.”

No. No such folly. Sorry. I’m among the first in line to criticize, so long as it’s not infused with emotion (by that I mean, it’s a long season). Baseball is perhaps the least conducive sport for blogging.

“Wow denizen, were you just, tired? Grumpy? Tipsy? Smacked out of your gourd? C’mon now, admit it, with a monker like yours you can’t ALWAYS be positive about every aspect of Braves baseball?”

Tipsy. Were you peeking in my window? And, you’re right, I’m not Mr. Positive about the Braves (B9 is taken, I believe). I expect them to lose in October. But that’s because it’s part of our DNA at this point. But that’s not JS’s fault.

“Then let me get this straight…you jump on anyone for saying anything negative about the Braves right? Does that make good sense or seem fair to you? Nope? Then we agree.”

Some negative things are right on. Some aren’t. This one wasn’t. I’m allowed.

And now I shall indulge in an adult beverage. Again. And I will think nothing but positive thoughts about the Braves, currently up 7-1, and Savannah Guy, currently edging closer to my heart before ripping it out with words of poison.

By fastasballs

July 21, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

Jorge Sosa is doing his best to keep the Braves in it. It’s about time the guy helped the team even if he’s not on the payroll anymore.

Is there a bigger jerk manager than LaRussa? He’s had a hard on for the Braves ever since the Cards blew the playoff series against the Braves when up 3-1.

By Herr Weiß

July 21, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this

Das Sudlich Wagenheber Esel:

Du kannst nicht von uns dich verstecken. Wir bilden dich Gespräch.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this

Hope Buddy can give us 6 innings. We need to win this game.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist7:45: ”On several occasions, I have asked how a 350+ hitter can not be in the everyday lineup … a rhetorical question for the blog, also asked of the Atlanta Braves through the online (contact us) form. In neither case have I received an answer. Is Matt being traded? … is he hurt? … is he in the doghouse? It’s more than a rhetorical question … on the surface it simply doesn’t make sense. Seriously, what can be the reason(s)?”

You must not have seen the 11:07 recap after the game last night. It explained everything. Seriously…

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

For Bud Selig to act like Ms. Hypocritical Sanctimonious Judgmental High and Mighty and act like he is not sure if he is going to go watch Bonds hit the homer, is just disgusting. His hands are just as dirty, EVEN DIRTIER, in all this as Bonds. The only reason Bonds went on steroids after 1998 was because Selig allowed steroids to go on in 1998 and even celebrated the steroids of 1998. Selig and his owners financed it by rewarding HUGE contracts to the players using the juice. Selig was an accomplice in this freak show we have watched since that strike year. Selig allowed the roids to get out of control to make up for his sins in the 1994 strike.

But Selig financed and celebrated the steroid era (which perversely put the pressure on people like Bonds to use steroids in order to compete in the cheating environment being endorsed by Mr. Selig). Bud was really a puppetmaster in all of that craziness. Guys like Bonds were merely the puppets. Problem is Bonds was so darn good, that he has become the face of that era that makes us all ill. But there was a conspiracy and Bud was the leader of that conspiracy.

When you think about it really, Bud’s involvement in the steroids ain’t different than what Michael Vick’s involvement in dogfighting was/is. Vick probably financed, celebrated, and enjoyed the dogfighting just as much as Bud financed, celebrated, and enjoyed the steroids statistics. Vick may have not actually been the dogfighter just like Bud was not the steroid user. Does not make either any less guilty of the crime and the conspiracy and the negligence in preventing it and promoting it. But Vick can’t skip out on the consequences. He’s been indicted. He’s either got to go to trial or plea out. He can not miss out on the consequences for his malfeasance and/or nonfeasance. Bud likewise should not avoid facing the music for his malfeasance and/or nonfeasance.

Bud’s criminal trial will be when Bonds hits that homer. He should have to stand there with Bonds and shake his hand and congratulate him and let us all use the photo op for posterity as a reminder of the steroid era. Breaking that home run record will not and should not be a celebration. It should be a very humiliating public trial that leaves both Bonds and Bud very ashamed and with a Scarlet Letter S for Steroids permanently emblazoned on their chests for being the greatest abuser (Bonds) and the greatest conspirator (Selig).

Bud acting like he should not have to go to his trial with his co defendant Bonds would be like Mike Vick acting like he should not have to go stand in the courtroom with his co-defendants.
But Bud wants to be high and mighty about it now. Awful. Act like he had no involvement whatsoever with it. Didn’t he lie to Congress and say he never had any reason to suspect steroids during that whole era? How is that any different than what Vick told Goodell at the draft? What a joke!

Jeff Schultz wrote a great column the other day about Vick not being able to claim ignorance about the dogfighting, saying he could not go on that property and have no suspicion about this, this, and that. If Bud keeps up this foolishness, I would ask Schultz to reprint the very same article but just substitute Bud and steroids and statistics and bodies of players.

Well, I said I did not care but I guess the more I sit here and think about it, the angrier I am getting about it.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this

we need those 3 runs back now.

By JDG123

July 21, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Tony LaRussa is a third rate piece of trash. He hates anytone who was associated with the Cardinals before he arrived. He is at war with Ozzie Smith and apparently anyone who was part of the Whitey Herzog years. I suppose that is why he was going at TP. I wish TP would go over and clean his clock once just for me.

By Carolina Lady

July 21, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this

English is the language of this nation. Posting in foreign languages is very bad form. Show off your language skills on a blog that exists for that purpose. No one here is impressed.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 8:50 PM | Link to this

Gotta score some runs and finish this game.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

Any suspicion that any of our bravos have hit the juice?

By fastasballs

July 21, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

WOW, I guess Willie doesn’t want to give up the lead off spot.

By HP

July 21, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

Willie Harris is on fire!!!!!

By Ron

July 21, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave Very Funny man, BUT true!!! I do still live at home, and this is my moms funiture!!! So what, I aint but 21!!! Hell its free rent!!! I can use my money on stuff I want!!! And my mom would be p!ssed if she heard me cussing like that!!! Because if I cuss around her by accident she gets p!ssed!!! But anyway, I dont play nintendo, I play Playstation, and XBox!!! Actually I am about to leave in about an hour or two and get high and play some damn Halo with a buddy!!! And maybe I will get back later and you will still be on here and we can keep on arguing, but of course I will be BLAZED as hell, but its never stopped me before!!! LOL!!! So you have a good day, dude!!! Dude, no doubt that it would be nice to get another 1st baseman like Tex, But It would be better if we could get a Carlos Silva type starter, and a CJ Wilson type lefty reliever, and a Jeff Conine type First Baseman!!! In my view those would be much better than JUST adding Tex!!! But of course this is just my opinion!!! And dude the only reason I got so F*** p!ssed earlier is because you called me a dumba$$ and a fool!!! I never once called you one of those names, OR any names at all!!! I did not like that at all thats why I said all of that crap!!!

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

Wow, Willie Harris responded big time.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

Looks like Willie C. Harris is saying, “I’m not … quite … dead.”

Wow. Two triples in one game … with ducks on the pond.

By MEB

July 21, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this

Scott Olsen of the Florida Marlins may be available real soon. Hopefully the police taser won’t leave any lingering effects. Read all about Scott’s adventure last night

WOW!!! It’s the Buddy and Willie show tonight.

GO BRAVES!!!

By fastasballs

July 21, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Odds on Andruw getting one in the ribs right now?

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, and Buddy can handle the bat a little, too. Between Buddy and JoJo, we have two more guys who can help themselves…

By HP

July 21, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Troy Percival might retire back again.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

WILLIE “MY NEW BEST FRIEND” HARRIS shouldnt be in the lineup no…no.. 2 TRIPLES 6 RBIS IN THE 4TH INNING!!!!CHIPPER 2 RUN HR….14-3 HAHAHA HERE WE COME MUTS!!!!!!!

By Herr Weiß

July 21, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Carolina Dame: Du hast keine Richtung der Stimmung. Möglicherweise bist du deutsch.

OH-, die Menschlichkeit!

Jetzt Baseball… Chuck James taktabstände wie Andrea Merkel.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

Oh well. Too bad for Percy, who’s a stand-up dude by all accounts. And who probably should have stayed retired.

We may need to save some of these runs, if you know what I mean.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

METS LOSE! MAGIC NUMBER IS 69!

We’re in the sixties now boys. The sixties are a great place to be. Paladin is engaging in legal aerial dogfights with the enemy. Lew is dropping acid and shrooms and rocking out, making love to all the hippie honeys. Gil is not yet the voice of reason he later becomes because he is still just a young wild reckless fool at the time. BobJ is more like SJA - he has not yet morphed into the BobJ we plainly and simply know. Carolina Lady is burning bras. Eric the Elder is just Eric the Younger.

Wait until until we get down into the fifties, fourties, etc. Yes, they were all still alive then. When we get down to the Roaring Twenties, we will really get some fun wild stories about them all because they were all just teenagers then :-))

By Steve from OH

July 21, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

Willie’s having a HUGE night, naysayers!

CL

Your 8:47 post is yet another of many that I completely agree with. Once is cute, but many is just tacky and unwanted. Go Away.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 21, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

Why would they hut Andruw? He is the only sure out in the line-up tonight….

By mr baseball

July 21, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

Truth Hurts: I was going to respond with another lengthy explanation about why I think Schuerholz is overrated, but at this point, it’s pointless. We can agree to disagree.

I might have missed it, but has anyone stood up and apologized for demanding that Willie be benched, or at least removed from the leadoff spot. That’s twice in the last month Cox has been rewarded for his patience. Maybe Thorman will start hitting and Cox will be 3-or-3. I think a Meat Loaf song is probably more likely.

The Braves need to save some of these runs for later. I think 2 TDs is sufficient for tonight. If Jose Oquendo is on the Cards’ coaching staff, I imagine LaRussa is going to have him warming up soon. Obscure reference to one of the Braves’ more embarrassing losses of the past 17 years.

By Willie Harris

July 21, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

The rumor of my demise has been greatly exaggerated.

Take that suckas!!

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

The Truth Hurts Many a truth is told in jest…but not meant to poison my friend. Maybe just an extra little barb for starting it. Hey, just for that, I’ll have one of my special voodoo yohoo’s (white russian) and have my first drink to you. It’s all good. Speaking of poison, what’s yours?

By Greg in TN

July 21, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Braveheart, I agree with everything down to the punctuation on your 8:44.

Holy Cornelia, that Willie Harris is hitting the ball well tonight.

I think we all deserve a 14 run Atlanta outburst through four and a half innings but none more than Tony La Russa.

By JasonInMaine

July 21, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Where are you folks hearing the Silva rumors?

By gotigers72

July 21, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

Well, I’m getting the crow out of the freezer, AGAIN. It tastes horrible, but I deserve it. It’s a little better with a side of sauerkraut.

My 10:44 post on this blog suggested that Willie should sit and Diaz should be the everyday leftfielder. Guess that’s why I’m a couch potato and not a ML manager. I’ll have to give Bobby credit for the incredible patience he has with players sometimes. All Willie has done is go 4-4 with 6 ribbies. Oh well,should i fry the crow, bake it, broil it?

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

Ron,

We’re cool. Knock em’ dead at Halo 2 and I look forward to your deep, introspective takes when you get back!!

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 21, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

Just when Braves Nation thinks the wheels are coming off the season, we have another think coming. Wow, 14-3 and it’s only halftime…lol. Keep your foot on their throat, Bravos, LaRussa is a@#

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Tampabrave, I definitely think there were more than a few Braves. Giles of course. Javy obviously did it in his contract walkout year (if not in others as well). Chipper may or may not have. His injuries have seemed to coincide with the dawn of testing. Rocker without a doubt. Klesko maybe. I wish Boone had been the way he was with the Mariners a year or two later. Sheffield obviously. He was on the Braves when he went out to San Fran for his “clear”ing working with Bonds. Julio Franco, to me, without a freaking doubt. Always thought there was something funny about Jaret Wright. Mike Hampton has raised eyebrows for some fans. Galarraga without a doubt for me. Thorman makes me scratch my head. Don’t like speculating about Chipper ‘cause I just don’t wanna believe that about him. Druw has spared himself from any and all speculation by being a perpetual fat sloth.

By woogidy

July 21, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

That did it for me, I am getting my tix to heckle La Russa tomorrow night. The all-star game debacle, the dui, the fact he can’t contain his team (i.e. Josh Hancock), the situation tonight, and the fact that Bobby Cox is 89-45 against him. He is overrated.

By Carolina Lady

July 21, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Steve from OH

Gotigers, slow cooked and baste with BBQ sauce. :-)) Don’t ask how I know!

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

John Rocker has been reading the blog tonight and over the last few nights. He has become very disturbed and has asked to link this video as a method of expressing his views about those who do not wish to speak the language on here:

youtube.com/watch?v=BysHeBPOYBY

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Braveheart Hey, see you’re back. Didn’t know you were gone…I was out myself for about a week. Anyway, just reading a few posts of yours…good stuff. You’re rollin’ man. That was, up until your post where you inadvertantly left me out. I was hurt. I thought we, well, we had something special. You know…after we beat each other so relentlessly a few weeks ago. You ask for recaps and I write recaps but do you respond? No. Beeoch boy.

Hey…jes’kiddin’round. Again, good posts. Nice to have a laugher tonight.

By The Truth Hurts

July 21, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

Anytime a game makes you harken back to Game 7 of the ‘96 NLCS, it’s a good day.

Doing this from memory…wasn’t it 15-1? Glavine pitching? A blowout in Game 5 up in St. Louis, too, right? Tight Game 6? Maddux pitch Game 6? I don’t want to Google it.

Looking forward to the impending trade news.

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

I’m just going to enjoy this one. I am tracking the game thru the webtracker. Did AJ get hurt? Was he hit? I saw a post earlier that said he was but I don’t see it on the site. Anybody watching.

It really sucks that TBS is airing fewer games. How do they think Atlanta is the 2nd most popular team in baseball behind the Yankers. Don’t mess with success. Anybody privy to why they made that decision?

By fastasballs

July 21, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

Gil, I thought maybe jerk LaRussa would have him plunked because he made such a production over Andruw’s backswing that caught the catcher in the AB prior.

By Jesse

July 21, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

Whoever is imitating Willie Harris must cease and desist.

Willie is performing well:

To please the peoples, he hit 2 triples.

He may be small, but he does it all.

If you don’t like Willie, then you are just silly.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

It’s all speculation about juicing, of course. But that’s what makes it so maddening for fans. Unless MLB decides to give everybody a great big mulligan if they all come clean, we’ll never know who was and who wasn’t.

By Betsy Thorman

July 21, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this

Little Scotty’s playing well tonight. Why would all you monsters want to trade by baby away. The reason he’s so big is not steroids. I breastfed him until he was 6. Nothing like a mother’s love.

By Jesse

July 21, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this

Sakes alive, he hit number five, and that is no jive.

LaRussa emptied his bench, he can’t take the stench.

The Braves must score twenty, ‘cause that would be plenty.

By Colin

July 21, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

Good night all around…Buddy is a hero to me…Good night to maybe get Soriano a little action and get him right….Ledezma as well….cant wait to see how we get better before the trade-deadline

By Serbok

July 21, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy The link I sent for safari 3.0, is for the new beta version that was written both for XP and Vista (of course OS X) My guess is you are using either 2.0 or 1.0? I was wondering how the performance would hold up in a full blog~ I work nights on windows 2000 machine!!! Windows SUCKS!!!! With both this windows machine and another i use at home,I constantly get Script Errors, when reloading the page Steve Jobs at his recent Developer conference swore The new Safari is faster than any thing out there. ANYTHING Apple is gonna be way better, than anything NOT Apple!!!! :o)

By Steve from OH

July 21, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

On the Braves’ official website there’s a story with JS basically saying he’s gonna make some trades before July 31.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

Ledezma is terrible.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 21, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

I know a way the Braves can make an upgrade and not trade a soul……

By Tony LaRussa

July 21, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

5 hits for Harris makes me embarrased

I’d kick his a*, but he run too fast

By Jesse

July 21, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Carlyle has heart, another quality start.

But let THIS be spoken: our bullpen is broken.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this

Savannah, don’t take you for an old guy, so I did not think to include you with our old hippie crew that are now the voices of reason. I take you as someone who was maybe born in the sixties or seventies. If you are a lot older than I thought, then my bad, you ole geezer. How was that early bird special?

By Scott

July 21, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

He’s a rookie, he’s going to have ups and downs. Playing every day would help but hard headed Bobby just can’t resist playing 50 year old Juliold Franco.

And if the Braves trade Salty they will regret that one. Schuerholtz will make some stupid one year rental trade that will cost us in the long run. Like Wainwright for JD Drew.

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 21, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

Braves haven’t scored for at least two innings. I’m stunned that some of the more frequent blogger “analysts” haven’t noticed this and declared the season over, or that “these two innings will come back to haunt us” or “we’ll look back on these two innings as the turning point of the season”, or something similar and all too familiar. Guess the lifeguards are watching the deep end of the pool.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies

Unless MLB decides to give everybody a great big mulligan if they all come clean, we’ll never know who was and who wasn’t.

Agreed. A mulligan and if the Feds would just back off ‘cause no player is gonna talk if they are afraid of going to prison.

By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this

Ehrenhafte Sudlich, aber natürlich, das es unglaublish, wie immer ist … und mit die Clowns zum speilen ist auch immer sehr gut!

Glauben sie mir, Buddy Carlyle, der beste Pitcher der Braves nicht ist, aber sehr, sehr gut und gut genuch ist er!

Ich glaube auch, das diese spiel wir schon gewonnen haben! Es tut mir leid, aber, warum ist es das wir fast jedem Spiel nicht so spiellen konnte?

Die Hot Tub, jetzt Heiss ist!!

Vielleicht spater …

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 21, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this

The Braves are arm weary… They may be all “hit out” for the night. Hope the pen can hold an eight run lead.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this

Serbok: I have the Safari 2.0. It does very well, No complaints. I’m on a mac osx v10.4 powerbook laptop everywhere…but on our recent record-blog (over 1200+ posts) it slowed down quite a bit. I think the lights also flickered and dimmed in Georgia that night.

By Coach ( Pitching , Pitching Pitching , Dammit !)

July 21, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Looks like this ten game home stand will probably end in a 5-5 split.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

My goodness, Wilfredo is a bit of a problem, don’t you think?

Where’s that lefty from the AL we need?

By Fred Secunda

July 21, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this

A week ago I was pretty sure that Saltalamacchia would not be traded by the deadline. But as of right now, I’m starting to think he could be moved.

I think the brass has seen enough of Salty at first base to realize he will not be half the player there that he will be behind the plate. Sure, he could work in the offseason the way Kelly did and he could become a serviceable first baseman. But I think we all know this kid needs to be starting behind the plate for someone, and it’s time to start coming to grips with the fact that that team is not going to be Atlanta.

That being said, I think Salty’s days in a Braves uniform are numbered. While it saddens me to think this, I’m excited about the fact that JS will be able to get a frontline starting pitcher like an Ian Snell plus a reliever for him.

Prediction: Braves trade Salty at the deadline for a good young starter and a reliever.

In a separate deal, I see them acquiring a guy like Scott Hatteberg to play first base.

Thoughts?

By fastasballs

July 21, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this

Another good game for Buddy, wasn’t as sharp as the past few, but no complaints. I do think Cox should have let him another inning. He was at 92 pitches with an 11 run lead, oh & the bull pen could use the rest.

What is LaRussa doing? He allows Springer to bat with the bases loaded w/none out & now pulls him in the middle of the inning for no reason.

I guess McCann is the one who paid the price for Andruw’s back swing. If the manager was anyone but LaRussa I wouldn’t even think it was intentional. Maybe it wasn’t.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Braveheart,

Yep. You’re right. The feds would have to back off, too.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 21, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Night all, time to pack it in for the night. Later….

By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

Unless MLB decides to give everybody a great big mulligan if they all come clean, we’ll never know who was and who wasn’t … what makes anyone think so doing would have any material impact, except to cloud the issue? … indeed are we then to believe those who claim innocence?

Besides, what games allows mulligans?

By chrisklob

July 21, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Greetings denizens! Been away for a couple of days on business (but not like the “business trips” that Mets Drool takes when the Mutts are stinkin’ it up). I haven’t seen a game in about four days and I feel so disconnected! And while I don’t post everyday, I typically read the blog everyday and I think I’ve been suffering from withdrawals.

Seems like it’s been a real blood-letter tonight. Let’s save some hits for tomorrow. It’d be nice to have a good show for the national audience.

Did anyone just see Katy interviewing AJ? Is he going “Karate Kid” on us? What’s up with that crazy headgear?

By tyyosh

July 21, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Hey, I wonder if that hit by pitch on McCann was some retribution by LaRussa for the Andruw backswing earlier.

By Greg in TN

July 21, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

Great night at the plate for Cairo’s own Willie Harris. Ties a franchise record with his 6th hit of the game.

By HP

July 21, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

Congratulation to Wille Harris to become 2nd player in Atlanta history to have a six hit game

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

Pardon me. Willie is now “the hit man.”

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

Braveheart Let’s just say I’m pretty damn close to a half century and leave it at that. Old…never. Geezer…not quite yet. Old fart, sure, to anyone under 30. Hippy-surfer dude…guilty. Rock’n roller…from way back. Voice of reason, almost always. Early bird special…nah. I let the geezers graze to their heat’s content without any competition from me. With luck I’ll be there soon enough.

Ewww…I just realized this is sounding like a myspace.com post. Anyway, my intention is to be 35 until I’m 95. Then I’ll turn 60 overnight. Ageless is best.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

Stupid move by Larussa, they could of gotten back in the game. He thinks too much.

Wow, Willie with a 6 for 6 game. Unbelievable.

By MEB

July 21, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

The Pride of Cairo, Georgia, Willie Harris!!!

I do believe a honorary Wurlitzer from the DOB/MIB blog is appropriate.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

Bob, journalist,

MLB could promise to hand out no punishments to active players who came clean — or to retired players who wanted to stay in the game. No banishments a la Pete Rose.

Would that mean that every fan would believe those who claimed innocence? Of course not. But there’s no incentive to cooperate now, just to lawyer up and keep the whole sordid mess secret.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

Diaz is sitting there tonight thinking, what the hell do I have to do to start on this team?

Diaz is my guy but Willy…with 6 hits and an Andruw catch. Wow. Gotta give him his night tonight.

By ppaddy123

July 21, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Willie Harris …..Braves starting Centerfielder 2008

By BravesFanInRockies

July 21, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Jeepers, Tyler’s in the game now? Good grief, I so hate this one-inning-specialist crap.

By Greg in TN

July 21, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this

It just gets better for Willie tonight.

Kind of backwards from the usual. How many times do you see a guy make a great play to end a half inning, then is the lead-off hitter when the team comes in from the field? Willie did it the other way around just then. Outstanding grab in center.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Conclusive proof Willie C. Harris of Cairo, Georgia and Kennesaw State sold his soul to the Devil in return for this wonderful unforeseen season: 6 at bats, 6 hits, 6 RBIs. That equals 666.

Sing it Mick: Please allow me to introduce myself; Im a man of wealth and taste; Ive been around for a long, long year; Stole many a mans soul and faith……… Pleased to meet you, Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah, But whats confusing you, Is just the nature of my game, Just as every cop is a criminal, And all the sinners saints, As heads is tails, Just call me lucifer cause Im in need of some restraint, So if you meet me, Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste, Use all your well-learned politesse, Or Ill lay your soul to waste, um yeah

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 21, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Just when I thought it was time to send Willie Harris and his suddenly no hitting behind back down to Richmond he steps up with six hits. SIX HITS!!!!!! And, he had two triples to boot. The platoon of he and Diaz has been nothing but fruitful for the Braves and makes me wonder if this isn’t the type of year that winds up being magical.

Also, what about Buddy Carlyle. I keep waiting for him to fall on his face and he just keeps plugging away. Where would this team be without Harris, Diaz, and Carlyle along with Escobar. Well, they would probably be in third place trying to fight out of falling to fourth.

By Greg in TN

July 21, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Excellent night tonight on Braves/Napa flag night at the ‘ol ballpark.

Solid, albeit not spectacular job by Buddy Carlyle. Tonight we didn’t need spectacular and Buddy more than filled the bill for us.

On a night where the offense was on the warpath, Willie’s night was exceptional. Great to see that after watching him struggle of late.

There was some sloppiness in the field tonight and a mental lapse by Ledezma, however we gained a game on the amazin’ mediocres and for one July night at least, all is right with the world.

By Fred Secunda

July 21, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this

Is DOB alive?

By The Blogger Formerly Know as Billy

July 21, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

Wow! Its amazing how diffent the blog changes between games. The roller coaster season continues for the Braves and DOB/MIB blog.

If we get a starter who gets pulled out of the rotation? I’d imagine it’d be Jo Jo Reyes. It’s crazy what a month does to change your prespective. Our rotation does not look quite so bad right now with the emergence of Carlye and James rebound. I guess it shows why fans are not GM’s. Thats what the best thing is about J.S. and B.C. They dont panic at the first sign of trouble.

By Superman

July 21, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this

OH I WISH

Oh I wish I was a Balco roid needle that is what I truly want to be Cuz if I was a Balco roid needle In Barrys a$$ is where Id be!!!

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

One National League scout says he’s gained the impression the Braves are much more willing to include Saltalamacchia in a trade than Escobar.

I guess it makes sense. What makes more sense is too keep Salty and work him out in the offseason at first base. Kelly converted to 2nd. I’m sure Salty can learn first. We do have Lillibridge to deal as well.

Also something else to keep in mind. Kala Kaaihue hit his 21st and 22nd home runs tonight. It is High A, and he does strike out a lot, but the guy is a big time slugging First-baseman who also takes a lot of walks.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this

BRAVES WIN! METS LOSE! MAGIC NUMBER IS 68!

The magic number was far too briefly an all too perfectly low 69. But the Braves had to go and ruin that by killing the Cards and dropping the magic number to 68. Oh well, 69 is far too high of a magic number for the Braves but 69 will remain the most perfectly low magic number for the rest of us.

By Russ

July 21, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

Please tell me…

Why more people, including sports writers and commentators, do not comment on the fact that Kelly Johnson seems to be getting screwed. Here is a guy who was asked to do something he had not done, play second base, and on top of it hit lead off. And basically surpasses all expectations by hitting for a good average, field nicely, and more than anything GETS ON BASE!! But now he is having to platoon with someone who does not have as good as stats?? Check out his Slugging and OBP to Kelly’s and ask again, what is the love fest with Escobar??? All of the Brave commentators cannot stop taling about him and hardly ever defend that Kelly should have a right to complain. If Cox is so in love with him the Braves should trade Kelly to a team who will play him everday like he has EARNED.

By Lew

July 21, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this

TampaBrave-There’s your biggest reason for not picking up Texiera-we need relief pitching. We need LH relief pitching in particular. Texiera is just way too expensive and like I said earlier. He missed 27 games so far this season. That doesn’t help anyone. Hey Coach-Who brought the Wrecking Ball Tonight? Willie had him a game, didn’t he?

By fastasballs

July 21, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this

That wasn’t Willie Harris out there tonight, it was Chuck Norris in disguise.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Afterwards (game recap)

Bobby: Good play kid. Did you get the ball?

Willy: Ball? Yep…I dove and caught it just like Dru. Didn’t you see it ?

Bobby: No…the ball. The ball you hit. Number 6.

Willy: Oh…that ball. Yes Mr. Bobby. Somebody saved it for me.

Bobby: Good. Oh, hey Matt. Nice catch. Thanks Bobby.

JS: Hey Bobby…good game. What about Willy tonight. Great eh?

Bobby: Uh, yeah Johnny. Good kid.

JS: You gotta feel good about things lately. Chipper. Edgar. Both solid and golden. Andruw coming around. Buddy, Chuck, Huddy, Smoltz as always…Kelly…we’re rolling.

Bobby: That’s right Johnny. Good kids.

TP: Hey Bobby…what a game. Rockin’ tonight. Hey, where’s tomorrows lineup. Got your playbook handy? Bobby: oh, uh…yeah. Here.

TP: Hmmm…when did you write this lineup card?

Bobby: Just a few minutes ago. During the 9th inning. Got’er knocked out.

TP: Sooo, mmm…you sitting Harris tomorrow night?

Bobby: Yep.

TP: Going back with Matt?

Bobby: Nah. Think I’ll start Woody out there tomorrow. Good kid.

TP: Woody? But Bobby…did you see that play at third?

Bobby: Gotta get ‘em all playin’ time TeePee. Can you play short?

TP: G’nite Bobby.

Wicky: Hey Bobby, you ready for the Cheeseburger Palace? Chad wants to join us. Andruw too. That ok?

Bobby: Sure shure. Good kids.

Wicky: Bobby, who is that over there in the corner? You know him?

Bobby: Oh…yeah. That’s Chauncey. Chauncey Gardener.

Good fella. Knows the game. He advises me sometimes.

Wicky: Does he want a cheeseburger too?

Bobby: Dunno…Hey, Chaunce, wanna go grab a cheeseburger?

Chauncey: I like to watch.

Bobby: C’mon Chaunce…let’s go to Varsity. Grab a bite.

Chauncey: If you add water it will sprout. Feed cheeseburgers and they will grow. They will live fat and happy off of the land. With a little tomato they will add flavor. The shirts and pants will expand and they will…

Bobby: He’s in…let’s go.

By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies, I don’t know how I really feel about confession incentives for those who violate the rules … basically, I’m opposed to such things … though I do agree with life sentences instead of execution when it helps to resolve other unsolved/unresolved crimes.

I hope and believe that there will soon come a day where, as with DNA, we will be able identify and date all such substances that have been the system and then, tests at the beginning and end of the season … or at time of trade, could be used.

I would also hope that failure at any time by more than one player on a team within a testing period would result in all games for that period being forfeited, and in all cases, players found to be using such substances being banned from the game … and in all cases of legal violations, MLB would actively petition indictment.

That would make it incumbent on the teams to insure that players stayed within the rules of the game, and to report all identified and or/suspected violations.

Either that or change the rules of the game, allowing such substances … with which I have very serious problems.

It’s about all those who have no respect for the game and choose to violate its rules … not just about some, scum of the earth, piece of work who might be a star and/or might break records.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

Russ, Completely agree with you about KJ. That man to me is a future all star. He has earned it and should be playing everyday.

KC You deserve this credit. You were the one pounding the table demanding Willie be a part of this team throughout spring training and the first month of the season. We all thought you were crazy. Turns out you were completely right. Even with his slump, after Langerhans (who you were kind of too cruel too), Willie has been a godsend. You were also right about Hudson. The Braves are 14-7 in Hudson’s starts this year.

BobJ, Savannah Agree completely with you about Matt Diaz. At what point do we realize that we might be watching a future batting champ stuck in a platoon? Was it this hard for Wade Boggs to crack the lineup? Didn’t think so. Imagine if Frenchy had hit the way Diaz has for the last two years, he would be called the next Dimaggio.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Nice win. Lets get it done tomorrow as well.

DOB

Do you think the Braves are more reluctant to part with Escobar than Salty?

By Koach Killa

July 21, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, just reading your post makes me smile.

Then I had to run to the toilet and projectile vomit. Whoever told you that you are funny, should be shot.

By Efrim

July 21, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this

Rotoworld.com on Willie Harris 6 hit effort. I actually agree with them.

In the grand scheme of things, the big game might have been a bad thing for the Braves, as it will cause Bobby Cox to keep sticking with him for at least a couple of more weeks. The Braves would probably be better off playing Matt Diaz against right-handers and should be seeking a left fielder in trade.

By Ron Roberts

July 21, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this

Efrim…. why would Braves’ fans wanna get excited about a home-run hitting 1B in the Braves’ farm system who strikes out alot, when we have one here who’s name is Scott Thorman?

Lew… you go get Mark Teixeira because it makes your offense so good that the shortcomings on your pitching staff are easier to overcome when you outscore your opposition. Just a theory.

Would I like to see ‘em go get another bullpen fix? Sure. But I also happen to think we have good guys in the ‘pen already, and I thought we hired the best bullpen pitching coach in the game in Roger McDowell, and yet that doesn’t seem to be panning out well for us.

Priority-wise, we need production from 1B, a lefty out of the ‘pen, and maybe another reliable middle-relier guy, too. In that order, that’s what I think the Braves need to address if/when trade scenarios come along. I think the bullpen fixes will come easier and be less costly, but I’m not so sure it alters this team’s potential enough to make us a World Series threat; a playoff potential? Sure. A team capable of winning a series against Detroit, Boston, Anaheim?

We’d need a Mark Teixeira infused into our current lineup.

By Braveheart

July 21, 2007 11:33 PM | Link to this

Los Bravos are 50-36 in the starts of John, Tim, Chuck, Buddy, & Kyle. Los Bravos are 43-26 in the starts of John, Tim, Chuck, & Buddy. 64 games left. John, Tim, Chuck, Buddy should all probably end up with 54 of those 64 starts. The #5 will probably get 10 starts. If John, Tim, Chuck, and Buddy keep their current pace, we should be 86-66. Get a #5 to go .500 (5-5), we should win 91 games and finish 91-71 and win the division.

I don’t know how their stuff compares but I think Buddy’s career track may be similar to Rick Reed who became very good and useful in an above-average kind of way past the age of 30. But then again maybe this is his Aaron Small deal with the devil kind of season.

Whatever it is, a helluva job Buddy. A helluva job. Gotta give credit to Gil ‘cause as I recall he was the first one championing Buddy’s cause back in April when he was still stuck in the minors.

G’nite everyone. Go Braves!

By Ron Roberts

July 21, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

Efrim… why should the Braves be playing Matt Diaz everday and going after a left fielder in a trade???

By Bob, Journalist

July 21, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this

Didn’t see the game but two of Willie’s hits were against lefties, were they not?

Tomorrow’s lineup should be interesting … let’s go JoJo!

By TampaBrave

July 21, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this

Lew, Agreed Ledesma is lame, but he is the only one I do not think can cut the mustard. Perhaps Jo Jo in a relief role would do. We scored alot of runs tonight, but that won’t mean squat tomorrow. Yeah , Tex missed those games this year, but his long term track record is good, about 154 games a year. This year was the abberation.The more I look at him, the more he reminds me of Chipper. A quiet guy who does his job well. Good citizen, great player.

The last time we scored 14 runs on 5/19, we lost the next 5 of 7 games. The fact that we lit em up tonight does in no way mean our offensive woes are over. Even Washington scores in double digits sometimes. The hole will resurface very soon and the blog will light back up with notions to change the tatus quo.

We do agree that we need a solid left hander, but not for one of our stud rookies.

By Savannah Guy

July 21, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this

Koach Killa: Sorry to let you down Mr. Anon. Sometimes the recaps just aren’t meant to cause a big belly laugh, just a moment of diversion…maybe a chuckle…mostly for me. If I bat 500 I’ts ok, right? How about 300? Mendoza?

But projectile vomit? Are you eating that recalled hot dog chili by any chance?

By Koach Killa

July 22, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy, I’m not Mr. Anon. I am Koach Killa.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 22, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this

Hello again, couldn’t sleep so I thought I would join the party while I wait for the pain killers to kick in. Isn’t modern medicine wonderful?

I was just reading the story about Scott Olsen of the Marlins brush with the law. That’s likely to be it for this kid in Miami as he appears to have a history of violent behavior. Such a shame as he has such a bright future. Any guesses as to where he will end up?

Too bad Atlanta already has one problem child with Michael Vick. I don’t know that the town could handle two. My guess is Washington. Not sure what they can offer but it is the closest thing to baseball purgatory I can think of.

Do they dare send him to the Mets? Wouldn’t that be perfect for that club house? Gives a whole new meaning to the term heavy hitter. Huummm, don’t suppose his stuff will be “electric” now do you?

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 12:20 AM | Link to this

Ron Roberts

I don’t want to trade for a left fielder. I want Matt Diaz to have the full time job.

Scott Thorman’s career minor league OBP is 342.

Kala Kaaihue’s career minor league OBP is .397 before this year where he has posted a .417 OBP.

Kaaihue also has sported a .556 SLUGGING percentage before this year where he is slugging .575.

He has much more impressive minor league numbers than Thorman. In fact it isn’t even close.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 22, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this

And Willie C. tonight was awesome…. The kid had a career week all in one night. I am glad to see him get back to what made him successful early and stop trying to hit the ball in the air. The great catch in the ninth was icing on the cake.

Scott Thorman is getting a clue but he slipped backwards in his last at bat. He made some decent defensive plays as well. The only down spots were Andruw forgetting what he had done the past few nights and Woodward. I really try hard to take everything into account but honestly he is just not cutting it.

You hate to take a 2 million dollar hit but honestly Brian Pena would be a much better utility guy and would bring a lot more to the table. Sometimes a team can have too much invested in a guy and will try to justify their decision to sign him because they don’t want people to think they were wrong.

Bobby, John, if you are reading this, just let Woodward go. We will forgive you for signing him to begin with. He just isn’t getting it done.

By TampaBrave

July 22, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this

Goodnight all. Let’s get a win tomorrow.

By Bob, Journalist

July 22, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

Gil, That’s likely to be it for this kid … such a shame as he has such a bright future … Goodness!

Me thinks the pills may have already started their kicking … hope so anyway.

The following is almost sure to be found unacceptable by our editors. For some strange reason, something has triggered the thought that while “I graduated summa cum laude” should always be deleted for being obscene” … there’s nothing wrong with saying “I was graduated summa cum laude”, unless of course it ain’t the truth.

Good Night Miss Allen!

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 22, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this

A comment about the platoons evident throughout the Braves lineups. After watching these so many months I am strarting to believe they may not be such a bad thing. 164 games are a long season and I wonder if they are not successful because they are getting more rest between starts.

I am inclined to think that Frency could use a day off now and then too. of course I am no expert and I cannot pull up the stats to prove my theory but it appears to be so. I venture to guess the real key is making sure the platoon player has talent too. Nice to have options.

Just have to pick your spots as to when and where. Perhaps Andruw could stand to platoon with Willie C. for a spell.

By JOE

July 22, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this

Ron Roberts agree with you we need Mark Teixeira. *Efrim your sick *

By Carroll Rogers

July 22, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

Braveheart, that’s an evil observation but a good one. felt like i typed the number six about 20 times in my game story tonight…

Fred…DOB is alive and hopefully well and about to take a trip out west on Monday to cover the braves vs. giants. the man needs a couple days away from the computer from time to time and i guess i’m busted for being slow to get on today and catch up on the latest should the braves trade for tex talk.

and i second ron roberts’ question about diaz everyday/trade for a left fielder.

guess willie got his groove back. wow. i will blog more on that subject tomorrow….is my math warped or have there been about three times the number of posts following friday’s loss than tonight’s win? ok fine, it’s still early tonight. there’s still time. but there are enough posts on here where i need to start us fresh tomorrow, don’t i? more to come

meantime goodnite…

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 22, 2007 12:51 AM | Link to this

Yes Bob,J Sometimes what you hear me speak is not what I meant for you to hear me say….. However, the damage is done.

I am found out and my lack of schooling sometimes gets in the way of my education… :-)

By Goat Horns

July 22, 2007 12:52 AM | Link to this

Great win tonight!

We don’t need to trade for a first baseman/rental player.

Why not put K.J. at first and Escobar at second base?

It would make for a very good (very inexpensive) lineup and keep our young players around for the future!

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 22, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this

Goat Horns It may be a little late in the season to make that change but I too agree that Kelly J. may be a good option to play first. Trouble is we have a stockpile of guys over there right now.

Escobar has looked very good when playing shortstop but not so much at second. Willie Harris can actually play a better second base than Escobar. I am surprised Bobby has not started him there a time or two.

I do like Escobar’s arm though. Yep, another started and a little bullpen help and the Braves could go deep into the playoffs this year.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 22, 2007 1:07 AM | Link to this

Alright, the typos are becoming more evident, time to stumble back to bed. Night all.

By Soul Man

July 22, 2007 1:58 AM | Link to this

TheSouthernJackass is a coward. I repeat TheSouthernJackass is a coward. He is the most ignorant piece of sh!t I have ever come into contact with in my entire life. Talk BASEBALL jackass or I will remove you myself from this blog!!!!! I am sick and tired of your crap as are most of the other bloggers.

By Bob, Journalist

July 22, 2007 2:30 AM | Link to this

The fact that my 12:33 came through unscathed was a welcome surprise …

Gil, you made it clear and I knew what you meant … but how bright can one’s future be at a time when his present isn’t.

In the few games that I have recently seen, Andruw has indeed seemed somewhat improved in his approach but I think hes results have been better than his improvement.

As Terry has indicated, it’s not how you start but how you finish … he still appears to have expended too much energy … and passed the point of maximum power … at the point of impact … at least to me.

I personally think the stance is still a bit too wide and perhaps a bit too closed.

I know that I have been critical of Terry’s approach as possibly being too unimposing … but I don’t envy him … still, I think you have to know when to fish or cut bait. That is, “okay son, we’ll try it your way … but, if that doesn’t get the desired results, you’ll do it mine!”

Sleep tight!

By I AM BIG A FAN OF WILLIE HARRIS

July 22, 2007 3:17 AM | Link to this

My two favorite Braves since Dale Murphy and Bob Horner?

Marquis Grissom and now Willie Harris.

Big fan of Ron Gant, too. I even was one of the few that really liked David Justice (I always believed he had a winning attitude), but I absolutely DETEST Michael Vick, and I always have, from the very beginning of his sordid career with the Falcons.

I guess that make me a racist, eh?

By serbok

July 22, 2007 4:27 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy Excellent~ very funny 11:03 post!!! Best homor I’ve seen on here in quite some time!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep it commin man:o)

By serbok

July 22, 2007 4:32 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy* My bad on the typo~ on last post? If I had really been subconscienceously bad? and typed homer ? would you have squinted your optical purveyance Depth meters at me? :o) honest typo~ lol

By Braves Fan 79

July 22, 2007 4:39 AM | Link to this

Like i told everyone on here weeks ago…Escobar is more valuable to us than salty. Even thou i hate loosing a quality hometown kid like that. If we can get a good young pitcher ….or maybe even a older one (id love roy holiday or oswalt)……but i wouldnt give him up for a reliever. Go Braves!!

By Braves Fan 79

July 22, 2007 4:50 AM | Link to this

Anyone hating on julio…..who was our better option!?? Woodcrap?? the guy with a .165 or so pitch hit average? Whos NEVER been clutch in his life!?? Or a guy like Franco…who we already love because hes been here before…and ive always like him myself from when i was a little kid in the late 80’s…anyone else remember that reverse baseball card of him and his crazy batting stance that was worth 3 times what his normal stance was??
I pretty shure he played for the Rangers back then. Anyways julio was one of the best signing of the year. What the Braves need is another GREAT starter!! With 3 deep in the playoffs and someone like buddy or james in the 4th…..we could really do some damage!!

By serbok

July 22, 2007 4:51 AM | Link to this

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By Serbok

July 22, 2007 4:52 AM | Link to this

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By Bob, Journalist

July 22, 2007 6:11 AM | Link to this

Methinks those who think that we should throw at Barry’s head are unthinking … I think it’s unsportsmanlike to so do, especially since he appears to be so hardheaded that it would probably have no effect.

For those so thinking, methinks a better target would be his knees.

Seriously, he seems to have uncanny ability and methinks it’s indeed unfortunate that his behavior has forever tarnished his reputation, regardless of his guilt or innocence relative to the performance enhancing substance issue.

Those who are of the opinion that the required level of proof for rendering a “guilty” verdict in a court of equity is the same as in a criminal court are misguided.

I would hope that the rules of equity law would apply in Barry’s case and if found guilty, I do hope that whatever punishment he receives is appropriate for that which he has done.

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 22, 2007 6:15 AM | Link to this

I could dote on the broader ramifications of Bonds imminent breaking of the home run record.

But I’d rather just say that I would be very understanding if the Braves intentionally walked him for 4 straight games.

Please, do not let a Brave be the one to give up 755 or 756.

By Bob, Journalist

July 22, 2007 6:33 AM | Link to this

One last thought on Barry … methinks his relevance has diminished to the point that it isn’t … and I hope that with his passing Hank, his hour upon the stage will soon thereafter become but a memory.

For the sick puppies in the group, I understand that Michael may be looking for replacements … my point is that sick humor is sick and seldom funny.

Methinks Vick’s is a very sad situation, as is Blog disruption, regardless of one’s perspective.

By Bob, Journalist

July 22, 2007 7:01 AM | Link to this

As I may well be otherwise engaged during the final round of the British Open and the much of the next 45 days, you folks please remember to be nice, keep the team in the hunt, and don’t get too upset when some take a misstep of fail to meet expectations. Remember, it most probably means almost as much to them to win as it does to us!

I’m going to try to reserve an hour each day for reading and posting to the Blog but the Big Boss has ordered me to straighten up, fly right, and devote my attention to some participles that have been dangling for far too long … and when she says jump … the only acceptable response is how high … not to mention a major project that is well behind schedule, but which now I hope will be completed in the next 45 days.

By Bill

July 22, 2007 7:13 AM | Link to this

Let’s not get carried away with Willie’s 6 hits. That was great to see. He’s a great role player only but not an everday player. The Braves need to stay away from Tex. He’s hurt to much and makes way to much money. I to believe that some point in time that Salty will be traded, either before deadline or this winter. I agree that the future firstbaseman is the flying Hawaiian. I know he strikes out alot but draws alot of walks. You can’t compare him to Thorman because he will have a decent BA. He will probably be up by mid 08.The Braves have got to have some LH relief pitchers to stay in race.

By Coach ( Pitching , Pitching Pitching , Dammit !)

July 22, 2007 7:33 AM | Link to this

This blogger just wants to point out the obvious over the last ten games. 64 runs scored , a phenomenal 6.40 per game. 8 quality starts with a team ERA of 3.28 …… the end result = 6 wins and 4 losses. This is what is referred to as some serious M-I-S-M-A-N-A-G-E-M-E-N-T on the the part of Bobby Cox. The Braves should be 9-1 over the last ten games. If Buddy Carlyle had been on this team right out of spring training (HE SHOULD HAVE with stats of 1-1 , 1.69 ERA) the Braves would be in first place as we blog. Bobby Cox and John Schuerholz have some explaining to do and if this team misses the playoffs they will have nobody to blame but themselves.

By MEB

July 22, 2007 8:00 AM | Link to this

Come on Coach… No need to be so negative so early on a Sunday morning. The Braves did manage to beat the Pirates 9-1 and throw in a couple of blow outs against the Cards and your numbers are not so skewed. The bullpen has lost a couple and we have not gotten a clutch hit in couple of others. Throw in the fact that we saw some great pitching from Arroyo, Harang, and Wainwright and the job the Braves and Cox have done doesn’t look so bad.

GO BRAVES!!!

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

Good morning all! Boy, was the ole blog cookin’ last night, as were the Braves. Go Braves! Go Blog!

Braveheart, you and SG were both in particularly good voice last night, but I’m still “smarting” :-) at the hippie comments. And later referencing us as old folks. When I locate my teeth, I’ll bite you on the hip pocket.

Anyway, it’s another beautiful day so as Ernie Banks use to say: “Let’s play two!”

By Braveheart

July 22, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

First of all Coach, they scored 31 of those runs in 3 games, where they won by the margin of 33-8. In the other 6 games, they have outscored the opponent 33-30.

Don’t know how it is Cox’s fault that Davies sucks and caused a loss, that Soriano is burnt out from overuse because of the shortcomings of the #3, 4, & 5 pitchers early in the season, and so on and so on.

As for stating Buddy Carlisle should have been up from the beginning of the season, based upon what evidence? Spring training stats? The guy was almost 30 years old and passed over for all those years by all those teams for a friggin’ reason. But you would have trusted your instincts based upon spring training stats and put the guy in the opening day rotation? So, if Mark Redman gets a non roster invitation to spring training next year and pitches decently, should the Braves trust him again next year or should they send him down to the minors and trust more proven MLB caliber pitchers first and see how they shake out in the majors and how Redman shakes out in the minors first? That is the same thing with Buddy this year. They would have been fools to take a career nobody and put him in the opening day roster without giving more proven MLB pitchers like Redman a look see in the majors and Buddy a look see down in the minors.

By Braveheart

July 22, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Sorry for calling you an old hippie, Paladin. Let’s hug it out, beeoch!

Time for this idiot to SSS and get to church.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 22, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Paladin Yep, if I could get off the porch I would kick some butt. However, at least I have an excuse to be limited to the blog, If I were 20 years younger I would still be raising he11.

Okay, I am caught up on the overnight post and I am doped up enough to be able to move so it’s off to grandmother;s house we go…..

Their is a reason a dog gets mean when he’s chained up. People are the same, just frustration….. So have a good day all. And you young dudes, get out there and experience life so you can develop your own good judgment and not rely on us old codgers to give you a clue.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

I noticed a headline that says: “Police use stun gun on Marlin’s pitcher”. I wonder if someone used one on Soriano.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 22, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Mornin’ all, from the glorious Rockies.

BobJ,

Picking up from last night — Agreed, it would be nice if someday a testing method arises that could detect what today’s players were doing. It would have to be used on what’s left from their urine samples, if they’re even usable years down the road.

You could get materials from blood samples, but the players’ union won’t allow those tests, so the guessing game may always continue.

I loather cheaters as much as anyone and I’d be delighted if there were some non-criminal way to keep Bonds from breaking the HR record.

But there’s a cloud over the game and without credible confessions from players, it will never be lifted.

By Curt

July 22, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

More Stars Discussion

That remix album is called “Do You Trust Your Friends”. It is probably only good if you are a huge fan of thiers and need something to hold yourself over till their new CD comes out this September. I have seen them live at the Tabernacle but I had never heard of them as they were opening for another band I was there to see. Stars blew me away and I have been a fan ever since. Hopefully that gives you some idea of what they would be like live. You should check them out!

By Curt

July 22, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

More Stars Discussion

That remix album is called “Do You Trust Your Friends”. It is probably only good if you are a huge fan of theirs and need something to hold yourself over till their new CD comes out this September. I have seen them live at the Tabernacle but I had never heard of them as they were opening for another band I was there to see. Stars blew me away and I have been a fan ever since. Hopefully that gives you some idea of what they would be like live. You should check them out!

By BravesFanInRockies

July 22, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

As for our roster, let’s recap:

We have one too many outfielders, one too many middle infielders, one too many catchers, perhaps just enough starters (if the team plays .500 ball with your #5 starter on the mound, that’s fine).

We have one too few first basemen and at least one too few reliable relievers.

And players with value who can be dealt.

Fix, please.

By TampaBrave

July 22, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

History is our greatest teacher.

Over the years, our minor league system has been heralded as one of the best in baseball, however, let us not forget those names who had star written all over them coming up through the minors, but once they got a taste of the bigs, settled into obscurity. Names like Tony Tarasco, Brad Komminsk, Brian Asselstine, Mike Kelly, Tyler Houston, Nick Green, and Ryan Klesko. I include Ryan because we all thought he would be more than he has become. Equally there are the successes and you can fill in the blanks here, but the point is, performance in the minors is not a guarantee of major league success. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. That said, Salty may turn out to be a major league top flyte player or he may just be average. Only time will tell. But the Braves are now in a position to deal for tools that can bring another division title. For the detractors who say acquiring a guy like Tex will make us better, but not a World Series team, I would simply say you are putting the cart before the horse.

For those who think Tex is hurt too much. I suggest you check your facts.

“A Commitment to the Truth”

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Gil I’m not quite sure what your reference to me in your 9:04 was about but, as far as sittin’ on the porch: You’ve earned that right. And, I’m goin’ to join you there, shortly. I can’t run with the big dogs anymore, without gettin’ short of breath.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

To Tampa Brave and all the others that is/are convinced that Tex is our savior-in-waiting: Does the name Nick Esasky ring a bell?

By BravesFanInRockies

July 22, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

My apologies for the very long post.

This is a rant I meant to start late last night, about the one-inning reliever. This also may help explain why today’s pool of pitching talent is thin.

Less than two decades ago, teams carried eight or nine pitchers: Four regular starters (some had five, but not all); a spot starter/long reliever; a middle man; a setup man; a lefty specialist; and a closer.

Closers would sometimes pitch to two batters or go two or more innings, depending on the situation.

“An inning” was what you got out of a reliever who had been up in the pen or in a game for three or four straight days. It’s not what was expected every time he went out there.

Along came Tony “Super Genius” LaRussa, who had a fragile Dennis Eckersley pitch only the ninth inning. It worked. Everyone else copied. Soon after, Bobby Cox (if I’m not mistaken) started using seventh and eight inning specialists. Again, it seemed to work. So everybody copied.

And as we inevitably added ground-ball specialists and strikeout specialists and sideways-cap specialists, it became necessary to expand your pitching staffs.

So now teams are carrying 12 and 13 pitchers. And fewer bench bats and gloves.

Bill James pointed out a long time ago that a five-man rotation is less sensible than a four-man, because you give your fifth-best pitcher starts that would otherwise go to your four best arms.

The same goes for bullpens. If you’re carrying 7 or 8 relievers, and they’re all working, then relievers 5, 6, 7 and 8 are taking innings away from your better pitchers.

And if everybody’s doing it, then the pitching pool is diminished. Instead of 30 teams using only the 300 best pitchers, they’re using them plus between 60 to 90 guys who don’t belong.

I can’t answer these questions:

1) Are the hitters that much stronger/more disciplined than they were 20 years ago? (With or without steroids; I think pitchers juice as much as hitters.)

2) Is the strike zone so much smaller that pitchers have to throw to hitters’ sweet spots?

3) Are pitchers less durable?

I don’t know that, but I would think that a team that would ride its starters deeper and use fewer bullpen guys would have a big advantage over teams that put marginal pitchers in games frequently.

Think of the 2005 White Sox in the postseason — you hardly saw a reliever. Last year’s Tigers staff couldn’t catch the ball or throw it to a base, but they could rack up the innings.

Thoughts?

Thank you for your indulgence. Carry on.

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

The Braves are on TV every night this week.

Amazing.

By KC

July 22, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

Braveheart: Thanks for the Cudos man. I was right about a few things, and wrong about a few things so far this season.

I was right about Hudson and Harris. On the other hand, I thought Thorman was going to turn in a good season. I still think he’s going to turn into a good big league power hitter, but it hasn’t happened so far this season. I also thought Paronto and McBride would come through for the Braves in a big way this season.

Oh well… you can’t get em all right. =)

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Good stuff, BravesFaninRockies. I can’t argue with it.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 22, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Paladin.

I guess some of what drives this is the insane emphasis on saves — a not-too-important stat, but one that agents have no doubt used to drive up closers’ salaries. I blame Scott Boras, even if it’s not his fault.

By TampaBrave

July 22, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Esasky was always a Dave Kingman type to me.

You are right though to point out the possibility that any player can disappoint, but I think there is good MAJOR LEAGUE data that supports the notion that Tex will continue to perform at the levels he is accustomed.

I suggest that everyone go and look at the man’s stats for themselves instead of listening to hearsay. I’ve seen a lot of inaccurate data presented on the blogs where people are pulling things out of their a*.

Go to this sitehttp://www.retrosheet.org/ or even look it up on cbssportsline.com

Had dinner with Darrell Evans recently and he pointed me to this site. Check it out!

I had forgotten that Tex had homered in the All-Star Game in 2005. Big stage……..

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Braveheart in church?! Not that it won’t help you, dude, I’m sure it will. But somehow, it’s a picture that just doesn’t fit. :-)

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 22, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Well now Soul Man—it’s clearly obvious that you’ve yet to come into contact with TheSouthernJackAss….for if TheJackAss were ever to ‘make contact’ with a pathetic A$sClown such as yourself…it would not be a pleasant experience for you…but go ahead and commence your removal of TheJackAss from the blog…with your Brobdingnagian IQ of about 35…which is also clearly obvious…

Almost forgot—BASEBALL—let’s see…ok, here goes—Soul Man is most likely some pus-oozer still hidin’ under his mommy’s skirt…who’s BALLS have yet to descend from the BASE of his abdomen…if he has any balls at all….now how was that for talkin’ some BASEBALL?….if I weren’t mistaken…I might easily confuse your eloquent style of slinging insults with that of a certain Girl Scout cookie, or maybe even that sh!t-guzzlin’ radio savant from LA….

It’s about time for various Sunday school sessions to be letting out…then many of the attendees will be back here on this blog once again spewing profanity, and insulting their fellow man…I live for this!….

By David O'Brien

July 22, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

Haven’t read the posts from last night, but wow, that’s about all I can say about Willie’s performance.

Actually, no it’s not. I can also say, amazing.

Not just the 6-for-6, 6-RBI performance itself — do you realize Chipper Jones has had five RBIs 12 times, but NEVER had six RBIs in a game? — but also the fact that it broke up a one-month slump by Harris.

He had NO extra-base hits and NO RBIs from June 20 to July 20, then has six hits including two triples and six RBis in one game? Amazing.

I think we should all just bite our tongues in the future regarding the LF platoon, regardless of what either of them is doing at any given time. I know I will.

Harris is now hitting .339 overall with a .403 OBP, but in 160 ABs against righties he’s hitting .356 with a .410 OBP and .475 OBP.

In 26 ABs vs. lefties, it’s .231/.333/.231 (no extra-base hits).

Yeah, I think the platoon thing works quite well for him and the Braves….

By David O'Brien

July 22, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Efrim, tell me again why you’re so sure the Braves won’t catch the Mets.

Since July 4, the Braves are 9-5 with a .309 batting average, 87 runs and a 3.64 ERA, while the Mets are 8-7 with a .272 average, 70 runs and a 4.53 ERA.

Since June 25, the Braves are 14-8 with a .313 average, 141 runs and a 3.67 ERA, while the Mets are 13-11 with a .251 average, 104 runs and a 4.33 ERA.

Again, I’ll say the Braves are a flawed team, but the Mets aren’t nearly the powerhouse I and most others thought they’d be. And unless you think Pedro Martinez coming back in late August is absolutely going to be the difference-maker, well …

By KC

July 22, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

The platoon thing is obviously working spectacularly… but I think Diaz should get a little time at 1B, in order to get both his and Harris’ bat in the lineup a little more often.

By KC

July 22, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Maybe you don’t start Harris against lefites very often… but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t start Diaz against righties. Give Diaz some time at 1B. He’s earned the chance to play everyday (or as close to it as possible).

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

DOB

Do you think the Braves would rather trade Salty than Escobar because of Renteria’s pending free agency after next year and Elvis Andrus’s “struggles” at High A Myrtle Beach?

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Tampa Brave, I won’t argue the point except to say that Kingman was brought in as a “curiosity”, much as Bill Veeck put a midget(no, I’m sorry. A height-impaired individual)into a game. Esasky was brought in as a “savior” and he had put up huge numbers elsewhere.

By yellowblood

July 22, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Salty and Escobar are getting the necessary mid-season at-bats to be dangled as trade bait and/or to prepare them for next year. When September comes we’ll see both of them less as Bobby plays experience. That is when Diaz will shine even more. One of these guys will have to be packaged with Andruw to get a front-line pitcher before the July 31 deadline.

By David O'Brien

July 22, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Last thing before I catch this flight to San Francisco and prepare for my second Barry Bonds saturation in two weeks (and that’s more than anyone should be subjected to in two years, much less two weeks).

Since becoming a Brave, Edgar Renteria has hit .309 in 249 games with 66 doubles, 3 triples, 24 homers, 120 RBIs, 26 steals (in 33 atttempts) and a .373 OBP. He’s a better offensive player than ever, and not too far off his best defensive form. The Red Sox were fools for trading him one year into a four-year contract, and especially for trading him for an uproven prospect (Andy Marte)….

And this is getting ridiculous: Chipper Jones has hit .407 with a .497 OBP and 1.066 OPS in 32 games since returning from the DL without a rehab assignment, and in his past 20 games he’s hit .418 with 20 RBIs, a .521 OBP and a 1.129 OPS.

Dude’s going to get MVP consideration, top-five for sure if he stays healthy. Verducci had him fifth in SI’s midseason report, and that was despite missing 20 games or whatever it was in the first half.

Since June 24, 2006, Chipper’s hit .362 in 125 games (472 at-bats) with 36 doubles, 4 triples, 35 homers, 99 RBIs and a 1.124 OPS.

By TLJ

July 22, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

DOB, I think you are right on about the LF platoon. Those two guys are flat out hitting thr ball. I agree we should be quiet and let them play ball.

Have you heard new rumors on the trade front?

By David O'Brien

July 22, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Agree with that, KC. Diaz can play first, has in spring and a couple times in real games. After they give Julio a go and see if he can do anything, maybe they’ll consider that, provided they don’t get another 1B (and it’s looking less and less likely they will, since offense is hardly this team’s main concern).

By TexasBrave

July 22, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

BravesFanInRockies

A couple of thoughts about your post. First starters hardly ever went less than 7 innings. Most went 8 or 9. Complete games happened all the time, there wasn’t the need for many relievers unless a starter was getting rocked. Also how many times did you hear about a pitching count on starters. Now a days they watch it very closely. I know BC thinks once a starter hits 90 pitches he is done.

Now that staters don’t go deep into games there has evolved the need for specialist to protect leads. I also think hitting has gotten better over the years and that has also helped the cause of having different types of pitchers so the hitters have to make adjustments in order to score more runs.

By ernesto

July 22, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Big huge win last night. Hope we stil have some runs in us.

So Ledezma? Ummm, why is he better than McBride again? I keep forgetting and he hasn’t been doing anything to remind me.

Good to see Thor get a hit, maybe he’ll get hot, but that third strike he swung at that was over his head wasn’t too promising.

You’ve got to love that we got a huge win, are guaranteed to be .500 on this homestand and Edgar, Chipper and Druw have gotten to rest half the game in two wins against the Cards. Overall, excellent.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

DOB

Isn’t it time for a new blog, or at least to purge some of the venom from this one?

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 22, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

From braves.com:

*”Schuerholz says finances won’t prove to be a hindrance when it comes time to make a deal. Although he hasn’t learned if insurance will definitely cover a majority of Mike Hampton’s $14.5 million salary this year, he’s anticipating that it will.

“We’re OK,” Schuerholz said. “We’re all right. We’re in a maneuverable position.”*

By Savannah Guy

July 22, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

DOB: As you know, AT&T Park is a classic stadium design. I was just in San Francisco (the day after the All-Star game) and didn’t get to see a game but I checked out the park. What a beautiful setting on the Embarcadero. Since you’ve seen them all, which are your favorites?

While in SF, do yourself a favor and check out Mama’s for breakfast. 1701 Stockton St. on Washington Square. You will be glad. You’ll be fat. You will thank me. Speaking of classic, try Tommy’s Joynt if you haven’t. Have them build a “hand carved” sandwich and have a cold pub-brew. Again, you will be happy.

So, that covers breakfast and lunch. I suppose it’s ballpark hot dogs for dinner.

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

DOB

Since June 25, the Braves are 14-8 with a .313 average, 141 runs and a 3.67 ERA, while the Mets are 13-11 with a .251 average, 104 runs and a 4.33 ERA.

We should of gained more ground than that during that stretch. We now face the Giants and D Backs on the West Coast while they face the Pirates and Nats during that same stretch. We should be in first now but we aren’t.

By TampaBrave

July 22, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Most successful platoon duo I can remember was Lee Lacy(righty and Mike Easler(lefty) in 1980.

Easler, hit .338 in 393 ABs,66 RUNS , 27 Doubles, 21 HRS and 74 RBIs

Lacy, hit .335 in 278 ABs, 45 RUNS,20 doubles, 7 HRs, and 33 RBIs

Combined, they hit .337 in 671 ABs, 111 RUNS, 47 DOUBLES, 28 HRs, and 107 RBIs

I’m for the platooning of Diaz and Harris as long as they continue to swing the bats well.

By Robert

July 22, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

DOB - Yes, the Mets are far from a powerhouse.

But we have Cox, and they dont, and that’s gonna be worth ten games for them in the standings by the end of the season

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

DOB

We have played better than the Mets for a month and we are still 3 games back in the loss column. The only way the Mets don’t win the division in my mind, is if Maine and Perez suddenly start to struggle. I know Maine has been bad for two straight starts, but I want to see him and Perez struggle big time. That is when I will start to believe that the Braves will win the division. Say what you will, but Maine and Perez have been just as good as Hudson and Smoltz this year.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 22, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Don’t laugh people, but I took the wife to see Tim and Faith last night and the opening act, Halfway to Hazard, was incredible. Check ‘em out, guys.

By Braveheart

July 22, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Why do people keep thinking Pedro is going to be the difference maker in the Mets favor? The chances are just as good he will be a difference maker in our favor as he will be a difference maker for them. What if they rush him (which they will be by pitching him at all this year) and throw him out there for 5 or 6 starts and they go 1-5 or 2-4 in his starts? This race is so close that could be the difference.

It is not likely that coming off an injury, Pedro is going to go 5-0 or 6-0 down the stretch. At best, they will win half his games and he will not go deep into games and cause their pen to be overutilized and overexposed. He could barely get beyond 100 pitches prior to the injuries, nevermind post surgery. What is the point of bringing Pedro back at all except to help the Braves win the division? Making the mistake of bringing Pedro back this year will be more of a benefit to the Braves than it will be for the Mets.

By TexasBrave

July 22, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

I know the LF and 2nd base platoon thing has worked, but I just can’t help but wonder what we would get on a dayly basis if we could give Diaz and KJ more at bats. I know most of you guys will not agree with this, but whoever we do pick up I hope it includes sending Willie in one trade and Escobar in the other. I like them both, but I like Diaz and KJ in the lineup more.

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

DOB

I live in CT. I listen to way too much WFAN and Mike and the Maddog. They think nothing of the Braves. I argue against all of my friends who are Mets fans here. I tell them the Braves will win the division. When I come on this blog, I hear way too much about how the Mets were a fluke last year. I disagree with that. They have some pretty damn good players. Wright and Reyes are just flat out better than McCann and Francouer. They just are. But its cool, I think the Braves will be there at the end. I think they will win the Wild card. Padres won’t make the playoffs. We will take the Mets down in the NLCS and get to the world series.

By Braveheart

July 22, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Why do people keep thinking Pedro is going to be the difference maker in the Mets favor? The chances are just as good he will be a difference maker in our favor as he will be a difference maker for them. What if they rush him (which they will be by pitching him at all this year) and throw him out there for 5 or 6 starts and they go 1-5 or 2-4 in his starts? This race is so close that could be the difference.

It is not likely that coming off an injury, Pedro is going to go 5-0 or 6-0 down the stretch. At best, they will win half his games and he will not go deep into games and cause their pen to be overutilized and overexposed. He could barely get beyond 100 pitches prior to the injuries, nevermind post surgery. What is the point of bringing Pedro back at all except to help the Braves win the division? Making the mistake of bringing Pedro back this year will be more of a benefit to the Braves than it will be for the Mets.

By Braveheart

July 22, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Why do people keep thinking Pedro is going to be the difference maker in the Mets favor? The chances are just as good he will be a difference maker in our favor as he will be a difference maker for them. What if they rush him (which they will be by pitching him at all this year) and throw him out there for 5 or 6 starts and they go 1-5 or 2-4 in his starts? This race is so close that could be the difference.

It is not likely that coming off an injury, Pedro is going to go 5-0 or 6-0 down the stretch. At best, they will win half his games and he will not go deep into games and cause their pen to be overutilized and overexposed. He could barely get beyond 100 pitches prior to the injuries, nevermind post surgery. What is the point of bringing Pedro back at all except to help the Braves win the division? Making the mistake of bringing Pedro back this year will be more of a benefit to the Braves than it will be for the Mets.

By TampaBrave

July 22, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Got to disagree with you a little there DOB, and it may seem insane after a 14 run performance, but this team does have an offensive problem. As I pointed out 2 days ago in this same blog the braves have scored 3 runs or less in 39 games this year. They are near the top of the league in OBP but are also among the leaders in strikeouts,double plays and leaving runners on base. My contention is the lineup needs to fill that glaring gap at 1B with a consistent bat and glove. I think you yourself pointed out that the Braves were dead last in 1st base production, a position that normally has a signifigant offense impact on a team. I beleive that if 1st base is left as is, the Braves finish 2nd or 3rd. I don’t want to see that happen.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Ouickly! Someone call 911! A chimpanzee has broken into Braveheart’s house and is banging on the “post” button. :-)

By Lew

July 22, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Efrim-Renteria is under contract (because of a team option) through 2009. If the Braves opt to not take the 09 option, the Red Sox are on the hook for the buyout. Have you considered the MLB Extra Innings package on cable or Direct TV? The only games this year NOT televised are those Saturday Fox games. I’ve only missed one game all season (I have XM for those Fox games). Dude, you really worry way too much about the Mets. They have a sub .500 record since May 20th. They ain’t all that. Yes, Maine and Perez have pitched well, but would you really rather have them or Smoltz and Huddy going the first two games of a playoff series? I’ll stick with our guys. I’ll also take James and Carlyle over anyone they have lurking in the shadows. They only have us by 2 1/2 games. We still play them 9 more times and have beaten them 6 of 9 times so far. That should take care of that. We also have the league’s leading hitter and Andruw is quite improved over his first half performance. We just lack some consistency and another reliever.

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Lew,

I agree the Mets are not all that. I would most definitly take Smoltz or Hudson in a playoff series. As far as this season goes, Maine and Perez have pitched very well and I can’t see them going away all of a sudden. I would really like to see some more consistency from the Braves over the next two weeks before I think we have a legitimate chance at winning the division. If we can take 3 of 4 for the Giants, 2 of 3 from the D Backs, 2 of 3 from the Astros and 2 of 3 from the Rockies, then I will be on board. Those are lesser teams than us and we should beat those teams if we expect to win the division. We are 5-4 out of the break which is not on pace for what I wanted out of this stretch. I wanted 15-8, and to do so, we have to win tonights game and then win every series until we play the Mets on August 7-9.

As far as trading for a reliever goes, I believe we need to acquire a left handed specialist and a right hander. A lefty specialist isn’t enough right now. Damaso Marte or CJ Wilson would be great. Zach Greinke would be excellent as well. Not sure how much we would have to give up to get him though. He has been so bad. I can’t imagine having to give up Escobar or Salty for him. Maybe Brandon Jones.

By Coach ( Pitching , Pitching Pitching , Dammit !)

July 22, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Well , I think we are all in agreement that the offense isn’t the problem. Elvis Andrus and one of our top pitching prospects for Greinke ? It’s worth the risk. Pitchers like Zack Greinke come along once in a blue moon. Is he really on the trade market ? The Braves are probably the only team with the right prospects needed to go get him from the Royals.

By Lew

July 22, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Efrim-Two more relievers sounds pretty good to me, but I really wouldn’t want to give up Brandon Jones or Matt Harrison, either. Also, like you, I don’t want to see Hansen go anywhere, either. Maybe Dan Smith if we have to give up pitching. Maybe Lillibridge, if it’s a position player. I certainly wouldn’t give up Salty or Escobar for a reliever. If Salty isn’t going to be considered a viable 1B option, though, they need to trade him-someone like Gorzalaney or Snell would work for me.

By Adirondackdave

July 22, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

We have Edgar with an option year through ‘09. If he stays healthy through May of next year, I would offer him a 3-year extension through ‘12. This guy is quietly one of our most valuable pieces and I doubt Escober, Elvis, or Lillibridge will make anywhere near the same high level and consistent contribution Edgar gives us. He’s just a great day-in, day-out guy. And if we make the post-season in the next few years, he’s the guy I want at shortstop.

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

For the right price, Greinke is on the market. But he probably won’t get dealt. Braves need a lefty reliever. I think they should still be looking for a starter, but there is just nothing out there. Matt Morris, Jose Contreras and Jason Jennings are terrible.

By Coach ( Pitching , Pitching Pitching , Dammit !)

July 22, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

So Lew , what exactly is your point when you say the the Mets are not all that ? May 20th ? , sub .500 record ? The Braves and Mets have the same exact identical 26-29 record since May 20th. They have respective 4.23 and 4.30 ERA’s. You might want to rethink that statement.

By Diamondback.Mac

July 22, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

TELL THEM WILLIE BOY IS HERE!!

By Adirondackdave

July 22, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Lew - Not sure exactly why, but I find your comments time after time almost exactly in tune with my thinking… Maybe it’s a geography thing.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Forgive me one bit of non-baseball before I go in for my lunch and power nap.

I see where Tammy Faye Messner is dead. I saw her on Tv the other night and she looked dead, then. I hope the lady rests in peace. She had her share of hell here on earth.

By Efrim

July 22, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t want to trade Jones or Harrison either. Hanson better not be traded now or this offseason. Every single guy from BaseballAmerica loves the kid and he shows a high strikeout rate to go along with a low walk rate. 90 innings and 60 hits given up isn’t too shabby either. Jones and Harrison may very well find themselves in Atlanta next year, but we have to give up something to get something. Maybe James Parr, Diory Hernandez or Brent Lillibridge would be enough to acquire some help for the stretch run.

By Coach ( Pitching , Pitching Pitching , Dammit !)

July 22, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/players/Zack_Greinke/

By Rated R

July 22, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Someone was watching

Cheers, to the players that are consistent.I have to agree with the sentiment that a pitcher is what we need. I like any pitcher, with the BC/JS stamp.

By Colin

July 22, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

anyone who doesnt live in the Atlanta area and can watch all of there games should really look into MLB TV. I got it because I live in NY and love the Braves. I can watch everygame except for when they play the muts….I really think that we can win the divison if we get one reliever (Dotel or Marte) and a spot Starter (Grienke) our offense shows great potential just if we can stay consistent.Lets get a win Tonight and for sure we win away from the Ted.Go BRAVOS

By overlord

July 22, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Agree with Colin.

Could anyone tell about braves ranking in BP IP¿??? just wondering how tired are these guys.

By Colin

July 22, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Overlord The IP are 874 which is 7th most and the era is 4.16 which is the 8th best.We have only blown 9 saves this year which is amazing.

By Colin

July 22, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

The stats are pitching not just the BP…Still 9 blown saves is really good…

By Ron Roberts

July 22, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Tampa Brave… B R I L L I A N T post earlier today, with the laundry list of Braves’ minor league “phenoms” that never panned out.

Paladin… didn’t Nick Esasky suffer from vertigo? C’mon, dude, you can’t compare any situation to what the Braves went through with Nick freaking Esasky, man…

Folks, don’t let these offensive outpourings shadow your thoughts. To think that offense is not a problem that needs fixing is incorrect.

We aren’t going to get six hit/six RsBI games from a position player most nights and we obviously aren’t going to get double-digit run production like we’e seen this stretch this month, either.

Our starting pitching has been pretty darn good, minus the Kyle Davies’ meltdowns. I honestly don’t even think Jo Jo Reyes has been all that bad, all things considering. He’s managed to go deeper in games his first two starts than Kyle does when he implodes on the mound.

What this team needs to fix are its offensive issues at 1B and solidifying the bullpen.

Can we fix 1B, in-house? Well, when everybody was getting a boner for Saltalamacchia, it was I who quietly mentioned that Matt Diaz can play some 1B, too, and instead, we put Saltalamacchia in. Now Jarrod did alright for awhile, but the league’s caught up to him a la Jeff Francoeur, circa 2005. It’s past time to see Matt Diaz playing every damned day, whether he be in LF or 1B.

If we don’t do that, I’m still very much of the belief that a trade scenario with Texas where they get Saltalamacchia and we get Teixeira, sprinkle in some prospects on both sides if you must, is the next option at 1B. We have to start thinking about the post-Andruw era of Braves’ baseball, and Teixeira would give us another year to do that; to see if one of our younger Braves’ (Francoeur, Brandon Jones) is going to step up and provide that pop in the lineup we’ll need if we don’t keep Teixeira beyond ‘08. If we dont’ have somebody to step up and be that guy, then we bite the bullet and re-sign Tex. Why not? If he’s raking in 30-40 HRs, 100+ RsBI and hitting for average (as he’s done all his career), he’d be worth it. We’d also (by then) be done paying for Edgar Renteria, Mike Hampton and Andruw Jones, plus be less the contract(s) of wasted spending like Craig Wilson, Chris Woodward, Pete Orr (who ain’t making much, but still…) and who knows where we’ll be with guys like Hudson, Smoltz, Chipper Jones.

Obviously, our W-L record this month would’ve been much better if we’d had the May-June Yates and Soriano. Are they just in need of rest or are they just not as capable as we once believed? Hard to say; but using Yunel and/or Saltalamacchia to fix that part of the club would be a mis-use, I think.

I’ll say this, if Yates/Soriano had been effective this month, we’d be 3 games better than we are, and that’d have us back in first place, and sporting a 12-5 July record, at 55-43, a half-game up on the Mutts.

So I don’t think any of us have the answer; but I think we have options, and if we can find an option that best addresses our needs for this and future seasons, then I say we make it.

I think another patch-job on the bullpen wins us the division or, at worst, nets us the wild card. Are we World Series’ winnable? I’d say probably not, unless we play Matty D. at 1B and he continues to rake, as does Willie. But then what do we make of ourselves in ‘08 and beyond without the pop of Andruw Jones in the lineup? Is there an answer from within? Doubt it. Is there an answer via free agency? Mike Cameron in CF would be adequate, but it’s hard to say he’d be enough, as he’s only hit 30 HRs or more (30, actually), once in his career. Same for 100 or more RsBI. But it’s not set in stone we’d get him, anyhow.

I think a move like grabbing Teixeira wins us the division, or at worst, the wild card, and makes us a serious threat to win it all with good 1-2-3 starters and a damn potent offense. It also addresses the post-Andruw era, and with Mike Gonzalez returning next season (probably, what, mid-May?), our bullpen will be better wiithough any additions.

I’m still leaning towards just building a lineup that outscores folks, myself. I think, in a watered-down National League, it clobbers the opposition on the way to the World Series, and makes our lineup just as formidable as any in the American League we’d wind up facing, and we already have the 1-2-3 starters (add Buddy Carlyle to the ‘pen and we’ve really fixed the bullpen too, right?) and we have a shot.

Just my opinions, folks.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Overlord In this slow time on the blog, I have a question for you. How do you type upside down ?s? And for you, or anyone else: How do you get that worm over the “n” in Senor? A barely computer-literate old man wants to know.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts Yes, Nick Esasky suffered from vertigo, but my point is: Lots can happen between pillar and post. Things could happen to and with Tex, as well.

Just keep it easy, dude. I’ll listen to (and respect) your opinions if you do the same with mine. Notice I didn’t say agree with them. Just be nice.

                   Regards

By TampaBrave

July 22, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

President Bush had 5 polyps removed.

1. Dick Cheney
2. Condi Rice
3. Don Rumsfeld
4. Karl Rove
5. Rick Santorum

I wondered what Santorum was UP too.

By TampaBrave

July 22, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Paladin,

The difference between Tex and Esasky is immense. Esasky’s numbers are weak compared to TEX. If you look at Esasky, he had one good year in Boston. The rest is extremely mediocre. I understand your point about wondering if Tex can continue to perform in a different setting, but Nick Esasky’s not the guy to use.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Tampa Brave “Political” commentary is off limits. But, if it is not: I just passed, and flushed, a Hillary.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

And I am going to “get” to Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer later. They are deep within my bowels.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

OK, I’ll get off “politics” and Esasky and say this: The only guy we ever brought in that really helped us is/was Fred Magriff and Freds are few an far between.

By TampaBrave

July 22, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Don’t flush the next president. Flush the old one.

We need a McGriff-like presence. That’s whay it has to be Tex. Millar or Conine will not have the impact we need.

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Speasking of “political rules” and rules in general: Where is the “rulesmaker” (Braveheart) when we/I need him?

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Tampa Brave, I guess we ought to get on e-mail since we are the only ones “talking”. Otherwise, we will be called blog hoggs. But, I’m not going to put my e-mail address on here, are you?

By Paladin

July 22, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

And speaking of Braveheart: He may, at this very moment, be “polishing” something, so stand-by for a ram.

**NOW HEAR THIS—-NOW HEAR THIS!! All hands forward, move aft. All hands aft, move forward. All hands a’midship, stand-by to direct traffic.

I will be in my cabin(playing with my ball-bearings)if you need me.

Actually, I’m going out and talk to my dog. He is not much of a conversationalist, but he is a hell-of-a listener.

By scott

July 22, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Don’t trade Salty

By daxxed

July 22, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this

And right after this homerun, the Braves have runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs, what does COX do…He does not bunt, pshing runners into scoring position and eliminating the double play and instead the Braves hit inot a double play…Small Ball scores COX BALL blows another opportunity to go into the 9th with extra runs and not ties…COX BALL RULES…

By stew

July 24, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately, the Braves don’t have an impact player in left field. When you play in a platoon, you mostly face pitchers that throw from the opposite side. This gives you an advantage that everyday players don’t have. Leftfielders have to hit for power. Diaz and Harris are “punch and judy” type hitters. Harris is not going to be a major leaguer next season. Doesn’t Salty provide more offense potentially than Julio. Is he that bad in the field that he can’t outplay an old man. I appreciate what Julio brings to the clubhouse, but is he really our starting first baseman for the rest of the year.