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By MEB

July 17, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Thanks Carroll for the great info… always nice to have a pitcher that can hit. Now if we can get Jo Jo to throw strikes and get folks out we might have something.

By rupert

July 17, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

caroll, what are you hearing is going to be done with thorman, love the guy’s effort, but he doesnt have the track record of an andruw jones, how long do you see them sticking with him?

does kyle davies have options left?

By Ron H

July 17, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Send davies down

By s t i n k y

July 17, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

the only thing cox knows about pitching is that he couldn’t hit it when he played.

By comic relief

July 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Maybe Thorman can become the doorman at the stadium. And like little crybabies … here is our man Davies.

By Lee

July 17, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Jo-Jo does not exactly have to throw a no-hitter to take Davies job away. One impressive 5 to 6 inning performance will do it. Maybe tonight is the night.

By Stephen

July 17, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

I have to say Turner Field was about as quiet as I have ever heard it last night. It was like a funeral, even before the blowout started. You had the feeling that nobody had confidence in Davies. The loudest noise made was when the whole stadium (well, what was left of us), boo’d when BC had Moylan walk Griffey in his last at-bat.

Speaking of Jr, that homer was only about 5 feet above my head, landing about 4 rows behind me. It was a nice place to view #587. And Junior is a class act too. From what we heard in our section, the little girl who caught the ball gave it back to him in exchange for another (signed) ball and a chance to meet him after the game.

By AZBravoFan

July 17, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Don’t look now but I just noticed that Lance Cormier threw 7 scoreless inning with 6 K’s in his last start in Richmond. If he’s getting healthy, maybe he’ll jump back into the mix. Speaking of Cormiers, Carroll or DOB, anybody know whatever happened to Rheal Cormier? Looks like he hasn’t pitched in a while in Richmond. Is he hurt?

By Efrim

July 17, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Davies is soft. Hopefully, Reyes is not.

By Salty

July 17, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

*CR You spoke the magic words: And I go with DOB on out of options. Let this blog be free of that annoying question…evermore (at least on Thor!)!

By Glass Half Full

July 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

I think this is Davies’ last option year (05,06,07).

By Glass Half Full

July 17, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Rheal announced his retirement.

By JordanPTC

July 17, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

AZBravoFan, I’d love to see Cormier get another shot, especially over Davies. I’ve long since run out of patience with Davies. At least Cormier can blame an injury for his bad starts. Besides, Cormier was lights-out in spring training. If he is putting up good numbers again in Richmond… the Braves should CALL HIM UP!

By DAP

July 17, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

ok, one more time, cause this got posted a tthe end of the last blog. if ya’ll dont want to let me know what you think, ill leave it alone. this is my idea for moves that need to made to improve the team.

release chris wooward(or trade him) and send down thorman (or trade him. weather or not he can be sent down without waivers matters not to me. he CAN be sent down, either way.)

then, bring in julio (or another righty veteran) and bring up pena.

with this senerio, you have three 1st baseman (franco, salty, pena) 3 2B, (kelly, escobar, harris) 2 SS (edgar, escobar), 4 3b (chipper, harris, escobar, pena) 3 catchers (pena, mccann, salty) and 6 outfielders (frenchy, kelly, diaz, harris, andruw, pena)

thats alot of depth, and you dropped our two worst hitters.

i would not worry much about getting great value for thorman or woodward. get what you can, even if its just a prospect. perferably pitching, but maybe outfield or 3b.

do this with the lineup and try to get a bullpen arm, and we have improved GREATLY.

my bold prediction last october was, and still is: Atlanta Braves, 2007 World Series Champs.

By Hammer'd The Braves

July 17, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

You know what? Next time you want to spout off that Davies is “soft”, why don’t you look him up in person and say it to his face? I’ll time how long it takes him to open up your skull.

The guy deserves every bit of flak he’s gotten here for his performance, but that kind of characterization from some former Pony League benchwarmer makes me want to puke.

By Interested Observer

July 17, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Somebody needs to tell Bobby Cox that Salty is a switch hitter and can play against right-handers too. Thorman is killing us!

By JasonInMaine

July 17, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

JS is going to be on Baseball This Morning on XM Thursday morning at around 7:25 AM. Unfortunately, I no longer have XM. If someone listens, let us know if JS atypically provides insight into what the Braves are working on!

By Arkansas Hillbilly

July 17, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

So many potential milestone Homeruns this year:

Barry Bonds-756 (5 away) Ken Griffey-600 (13 away) Alex Rodriguez-500 (4 away) Sammy Sosa-600 (done) Frank Thomas-500 (done) Jim Thome-500 (13 away) Manny Ramirez-500 (17 away) Gary Sheffield-500 (23 away) —would probably be a stretch for this season.

Throw in Glavine’s 300th win and Biggio’s 3000 hits and you’ve got one helluva historic season. (Even if you want to contend that 500 hrs isn’t much of a feat anymore.)

By CASHMERE

July 17, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

JO-JO IS NASTY AS HECK HE WALKS GUYS THO BUT OTHER THAN THAT A K-OUT MACHINE DAVIES NEEDS TO TO SINGLE A BALL

By Thrillhouse44

July 17, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Can Jo Jo play the field? Perhaps we can keep him up and cut “Dead” Wood-ward.

By Why

July 17, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Why would we want Julio back? Can’t we do better than that?

By Amber

July 17, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

DAP

You bring up a great point. Why are we so concerned with getting anything in return for Thorman? (please let the options discussion DIE) Fact is, he is hitting terribly and isn’t doing us any good. What price is worth hindering your team’s playoff push?

I think it’s JoJo’s job to lose.

By Baron

July 17, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

From the last blog, I was surprised to see so many argue against dealing Davies for “only” a #3 or 4 starter. Only?

Folks, Smoltz MAY go back on the shelf.

Hudson is solid as a 2, shaky as an ace.

James is decent as a 3, good as 4, certainly no 2.

I love Carlyle’s story and the way he’s pitched of late, but the guy is 29 and just now making his first real contributions at the ML level. Can we expect him to maintain?

Davies is a disaster.

If we could pick up a known entity middle rotation guy for Davies and little more, I think we need to do it. Morris or Jennings or whoever, I see things playing out:

Best case scenario: we run the rest of the season as Smoltz, Hudson, Morris or Jennings, James and Carlyle(your choice on the fifth).

Bad case scenario it’s Hudson, Morris or Jennings, James, Carlyle, Reyes.

Not quite but close to worst case: Hudson, James, Carlyle, Davies, Reyes. And give up the season.

Worst case: Plane crash.

I’d like to think that Davies can eventually get it together and become a solid major leaguer. I don’t really see it happening, though, and even if it did, I don’t want to say bye bye to this season just so we can wait to find out.

I want to hold Salty and Escobar. I leave the opinions on the not quite ready for prime time farmhands to other more knowledgeable folk. But if we can get a middle rotation guy for Davies and prospect(s), we really should do it.

By Chop Chop

July 17, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

I don’t usually defend players who are playing like crap, but Davies doesn’t deserve the kind of garbage he’s getting from Jeff Schultz and some of the fans. He’s a young pitcher who doesn’t know what he’s doing right now. It’s obvious to anyone that he doesn’t belong in the big leagues, yet Bobby keeps trotting him out there.

I’m just sick of seeing people rip this guy to shreds. He’s a damn kid who hasn’t been allowed to grow as a pitcher the way he should have. That fault lies squarely with the organization, not Davies.

Davies may never be any good. He certainly hasn’t even been merely “below-average” in the big leagues, but the only way he is ever going to get any better is to go down to the minors and figure it out. I just can’t figure out what keeps the Braves from doing that. It’s ridiculously stubborn.

(I couldn’t figure out which of these three paragraphs to use as a single post, so I put them all in one.)

By ChampDawg

July 17, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

The entire cadre of Braves pictures SUCKED last night. It’s not just Davies!!!!!!!!!! He only gave up 2 of the 10 runs the Reds scored. The others combined to give up 8!!!!!!!! Let’s just on their case for a while. The whole bunch of them were a damn embarrassment!!!!!!!

By Chop Chop

July 17, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Trade Davies and Thorman and a minor league of some sort to the Orioles for Steve Trachsel (hahahahahahaha) and Jamie Walker. Let Mazzone see if he can work some magic with ol’ Kyle. After all, whatever “success” Davies has had in the bigs came with Leo in the dugout.

By DAP

July 17, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

if jojo gets one batter out all night he’ll be ahead of davies. i think jojo would have to be really bad tonight to not get another start. if he gets a win, its all over for davies.

By ppaddy123

July 17, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

If the Braves sent Thorman to AAA Richmand, would anyone claim him off waivers? WHO CARES! He is not the answer at first base. He needs to shorten that swing and learn to hit to all fields. Kinda like wonderboy in centerfileld needs to do.

Davies must go…..to the head doctor. Send him to Smoltzie’s personal headcase doctor….quickly.

Every contending team is looking for pitching and the teams selling know it. The price will be very high for guys that aren’t worth it. The Braves don’t need to trade top prospects for temp pitching that’s not very good. Let the Mets have that priveledge…..they kinda have a knack for it.

By Alan

July 17, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Great post, Carroll. Thanks. BC has every right to be ticked off at Davies. I believe he (Davies, that is) should be farmed out immediately, if not sooner. I also believe the Braves do have to make a move for a reliable innings-eater with control. Matt Morris would fit, for sure, as others have pointed out many times. So would Javier Vasquez. However, I would not give up Salty or Escobar (let alone both, as some have suggested) for either of those guys. I’m also amazed that BC is staying with Thorman. It’s obvious that he’s not “the answer” at 1B. Who cares if he’s out of options? He has to go. He probably won’t clear waivers (Kansas City or Tampa Bay likely will claim him), but that’s fine. Bring up Brayan Pena, who’s a switch-hitter, to back up McCann and let Salty play every day at 1B - he’s hitting over .300, isn’t he? As is Escobar. I’m not as “down” on Woodward as many others are - I think he’s more valuable in his role than Julio Franco would be - but I would like to see the Braves beef up the bench, power-wise - a guy like Jeff Conine or Dmitri Young would be nice. I know it’s hindsight, but just think if the Braves had ponied up some dough last winter for Daryle Ward - then they’d have had no need to overpay for Craig Wilson. And, of course, they should have kept Tony Pena, Jr. Please, please don’t make the same mistake with Escobar!

By Thrillhouse44

July 17, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Okay, so here’s what we do: trade Thorman for Sean Casey. Then we’ll have Casey & JoJo and they can sing “Don’t Rush” to Davies. (Whatever happened to K-Ci and JoJo anyways?)

I’m just trying to lighten the mood - it seems everyone is back in panic mode. Here’s to JoJo’s first victory tonight.

By Baron

July 17, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop, I’m with you on the Davies slamming. The guy is hurting right now, and he certainly doesn’t deserve the personal attacks. I also think the organization is to blame. He should be in the minors getting it sorted out, but right now we got nobody else to take his place. We could send him down and take a chance on blowing up Reyes too, but I’d advise against. I think dealing him is the best option for the Braves and him at this point. Assuming we can get useful help.

Great news on Cormier. If he could return healthy, man that would be awesome. If he can get 3 more healthy outings before the deadline then I’d be willing to take the chance on forgoing help and keeping Davies.

By ernesto

July 17, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

I for one like Thorman’s hustle and he seems like a good kid…he’s killing us offensively though. The pitcher is more of a threat than he is these days. When was the last time he even made contact?

By Alan

July 17, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Baron and Chop Chop both have valid points. Davies clearly is not ready for prime time, and yet there’s not much choice with the injuries the Braves have suffered. Same thing goes for Reyes, frankly. It’s asking an awfully lot of a young kid to face Ken Griffey, et al, in the heat of a pennant race. Thankfully, the Braves are hardly alone in this situation. What is Mike Pelfrey’s record with the Mets? And now their #3 starter is Jorge Sosa?! Things could be worse, folks. Having said that, though, we really need for Smoltz to come back strong tomorrow and remain healthy the rest of the season - or else. Again, I’d like to see the Braves get a guy like Morris or Vasquez or even former Brave Matt Belisle, but NOT Jennings or Trachsel. I’d go with Villareal before either of those guys.

By Paladin

July 17, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Hammer’d The Braves

*You know what? Next time you want to spout off that Davies is “soft”, why don’t you look him up in person and say it to his face? I’ll time how long it takes him to open up your skull.

The guy deserves every bit of flak he’s gotten here for his performance, but that kind of characterization from some former Pony League benchwarmer makes me want to puke.*

Right on! There are a lot of people on here with “cyberballs” who wouldn’t say sh!t to Dr. Ruth, in public.

By brent a.

July 17, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

So, Kyle says he only missed by “six inches?”

Just exactly how big is the strike zone, Kyle?

Six inches is a quite a bit.

By Bob, Journalist

July 17, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Shaun Payne, I’m not sure how one could argue the talent pool for baseball players has shrunk over the last 50-100 years

It’s understandable that you’re not … perhaps one day you will be, you’re still young … it could happen!

Of course, some folks might be glad you’re not … for if you were, you might.

By Glass Half Full

July 17, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

As far as trades go, I think the discussion is which prospect is more valuable to the Braves, Escobar or Lillibridge? With Renteria under contract for another year, I think we can wait on Lillibridge and get what we can for Escobar. Braves fans have such a massive erection for Salty, it would alienate many fans if he were traded and didn’t completely fleesh another team in return.

By NCBravesFan

July 17, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Carroll Thanks for the background on Davies and Cox after the game. Pretty clear that Davies isn’t dealing - on or off the mound.

I agree with Chop-Chop and others that the attacks on here are way too vicious.

But I guess that’s one reason I don’t begrudge these guys a dime of what they make - when they succeed or fail, they do it very publicly. There’s no hiding (or crying) in baseball, and Davies is a perfect example.

The real shame here is it looks like Davies has a lot of potential - but a change of scenery would do him a world of good.

By Glass Half Full

July 17, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

“Fleece” not “”fleesh”

By butthead

July 17, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Play Jo-Jo at 1st and send Thorman down

By AZBravoFan

July 17, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

I’m not ready to give up on Jo-Jo after 1 start. Let’s see what he can do now that he’s gotten his feet wet. You don’t put up the kind of minor league numbers he did without some idea of how to pitch. And remember, after 3 starts we were all ready to bury Buddy Carlyle and now look where he is.

By BamaBrave

July 17, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

A Bruce Chen reference…holy moley. Not good Kyle. Your days are numbered.

Ironic that a “performance” like that followed the “Complete Game” blog yesterday. We practically saw the exact opposite of a complete game. If these blogs start inducing the polar opposite on the field, Carroll and DOB may need to give us nothing but negative topics the rest of the year.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

oh, the humanity! mike vick has been indicted! and maybe kyle davies can find work with the falcons.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

butthead When you say send Thorman “down”, is that to the never-never-region(s) or just to Richmond? And PLEASE don’t open up that is-or-is not-Thorman-out-of-options can-of-worms again. Thank you.

By Albie Lopez

July 17, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

I thought Davies threw well…especially the low and outside pitches that I taught him. You can’t hit it if you can’t reach it. If Bobby needs me to work some more with his young pitchers, just call…1-800-555-1212. If no answer, just leave a message.

Albie

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

and why do teams throw left-handers against the braves? more than against any other team in baseball? because bobby cox will sit his best players against left-handers. it is a righty/lefty thing. it is a cox thing. read the book. color the book. other managers know what will happen.

journalist earlier broke the news of michael vick being indicted. still indicted. that’s right - still indicted. and where is arthur blank? why does journalist think of porky pig when mentioning blank? hmmm…

and would pig fighting work? not illegal, right? michael should have stuck to pig fighting.

and can bloggers say, joey harrington? now, baseball … jo jo the man with the monkey name is pitching tonight. journalist wishes jo jo a good game.

By Ron Roberts

July 17, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

AZ… nice to hear about Lance Cormier. Wow, could that be why we havent pulled the trigger on any fift-starting pitcher moves?

That would sure be a shot in the arm, no pun intended.

As for Rheal, he retired.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Albie Ever see Sal(The Barber)Maglie? Now that’s what we need. Someone to “stick it in their ear” from time to time. Keeps them on their toes. Excuse my use of “toes”, jjs. I know you have the copyright.

By Lew

July 17, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

DAP-I pretty much agree with your solutions. I really don’t think too much of picking up Julio, though. I really liked him when he played for the Braves, but if his bat spped is down so much it’ become common knowledge, you have to figure, at 49 years old, he’s probably not going to get better. Let’s try for Conine, instead. I think Salty looks pretty good at first, all things taken into account and he can’t possibly hit less than Thor has. Give him his shot. If we can fill holes from within, we’re all the better off. Another reliever would be a nice piece, though-especially a decent LH.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

breaking news … bad news for michael vick. 2 felony counts. better get a good lawyer. any lawyers on here? maybe matlock or somebody. and what will happen to the nike shoes endorsement? perhaps michael vick will be dropped and wicky picked up?

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Un-intended I may have come on the reason that pichers in the “good ole days” were more sucessful. They could get away with stuff that would bring them a sentence in the penn, now.

If you don’[t know what I am talking about see my earlier tongue-in-cheek about Sal Maglie.

By Salty

July 17, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

jjs I know you’ve had many classic lines, but your “why does journalist think of porky pig when mentioning blank? hmmm…” is an all-timer, IMO! Funny!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

pernell peach is also mentioned in the indictment. sounds like a blog name, right?

expect to hear from pernell peach now on this blog. what a fine name for the dob/maninblack/toes/pie/music/barbecueblog! and dead monkey, forgot dead monkey.

By Scott

July 17, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Start Salty every day. There is no way that Scott freakin Thorman should be getting at bats and playing time over Salty.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 17, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Sigh, another day another scandal. So what will become of the Falcons? Personally I don’t care, I don’t have a dog in that fight…..

And what of the Redskins now that Coach Joe Gibbs has talked with Denny and Tony? Tony wins this week and Denny ends up 17th. Tony says all is perfect now, Denny understands teamwork.

Now baseball…. the great American game. Get to start over even everyday. JoJo does not have to be perfect, just less bad than Davis. Astute observation that Davis only gave up two runs last night. Any other time everyone would be talking about the 4 errors and overall sloppy play of the defense. Davies is just the designated whipping boy.

Send him to Richmond, Guy Hanson will get him straightened out and ready for the push in September.

By David O'Brien

July 17, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

I see the debate never ended, despite my information. Oh, well, I tried.

Just for the record, Davies is NOT out of options. He can be sent down.

And yes, to confirm what I already knew, I called a Braves official and was told that Thorman definitely, absolutely, positively is out of options. And if he wasn’t, he’d already have been sent down.

So keep debating if you want, but it’s entirely pointless, as far as the options subject. He’s out of options, Coach. Don’t know what to tell you. I’m not going to explain the process or debate with you on when he was added and whether he got an extra one and blah blah blah. Because the point, the fact that’s not changing regardless of what you say, is that Scott Thorman is OUT OF OPTIONS.

And, again, Davies is not out of options. He never used an option in 2006, when he was on the 25-man roster or DL for entire season.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

I’ll defend Vick. I/we will plead—on his behalf—total and un-F-believable stoopidity. If convicted we will ask for house(s) arrest and couseling by the Dog Whisperer. During confinement, Arthur Blank will be his beech.

By David O'Brien

July 17, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Oh, and since a few asked, I can’t imagine the Braves and Bobby Cox trading for Sammy Sosa, nor do I think his positives would outweight the potential negatives of adding him to the Braves clubhouse. Besides the fact, they don’t need an outfield bat, they need a guy who can pinch-hit and play some first base (since they don’t appear ready to try Salty there on a daily basis).

By DonCoburleone

July 17, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Nice job Mike Vick… Wow, what a sick individual if he was involved in the dog fighting. I mean, outside of rape, child molestation, and murder is there anything significantly worse than animal cruelty???

By Lew

July 17, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

DOB-You must allow leeway. The Wrecking Ball knocked him senseless.

By woogidy

July 17, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

It’t funny that how when you get good starting pitching, everything else takes care of itself. It is also funny that the opposite is true. At least with this Braves team. It is also a good thing that Jo-Jo now knows how to get on Bobby’s bad side, not throwing strikes.

By ElbravoX-- EbX

July 17, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

WHY IS THORMAN OUT OF OPTIONS? It’s for the taking, first place that is. Jo-Jo MUST have mojo. Don’t think is happening though.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 17, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

mentioned this on the other blog, just as it was becoming the old blog….

N8,

Yesterday you were talking about how Davies was throwing in the mid 90’s in SD….well, I recall Wickman was hitting 94-95 in that game as well! That radar gun was off for sure.

Davies, as you know, normally hits 93(Wickman 91, which is why I think his sinker isn’t doing as well as it normally does when he is pitching 88-89 )

As others have mentioned, Davies needs another pitch, a straight 93 is very hittable. Verlander can throw a straight 102 MPH pitch sometimes and get away with it.

Anyone recall Dave Stewart when he first came up with the Dodgers??? Man, he’d look great for 3-4 innings, then get the crap beat out of him. Yet, he looked like a good pitcher! But the results showed otherwise. He seemed like someone who’d make a better reliever but came up with a splitter, and became a very good starter, a great one come playoff time.

Davies should go down to AAA, and work on a 2 seemer, and a splitter…or we can trade him for nothing, and watch him win 15 a year for another team.

By DonCoburleone

July 17, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Well, thank goodness Davies has an option left otherwise what would the Braves do with him? Tough to just throw away a pitcher who is as young as he is… As far as Thorman goes, well, for some reason I believe DOB is right about his options(call me crazy, but I would tend to believe the guy who talks directly to the people who make these decisions over a blogger). That really is a shame though, he needs to go back down and try to straighten his swing out and learn some patience. I could definately see a Thorman for “future considerations” trade taking place sometime in the near future (ala Ryan Langerhans). I mean, at least Langerhans had nearly a full season where he showed promise as a hitter; plus his defense is second to none (unlike Thorman). Maybe if Thorman had a glove like LaRoche you could justify him being on the team, but since he doesn’t there is really no place for him on this team… It just sucks cuz I thought he showed alot of promise in April and even a little bit in May; but dang, over the last 7 or 8 weeks he is more of an automatic out than John Smoltz! Bottom line, its time to get Thorman and Davies off the major league roster…

By N8

July 17, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

DOB

Is it true that Thorman has options left?

Sorry couldn’t resist.

I’ll give you an “optition” for Scott Thorman. Last time I checked, there is a LONG piece of pine in the dugout. I suggest giving him the job of keeping a section of it warm. :-)

It pains me to “give up” on Thorman (which I really haven’t overall…just this year), because I was one of few that thought he would do OK over there. While he has done OK, he has been ridiculously inconsistant (unless you count being consistantly bad for a few weeks now).

When the season started I said I would be “happy” with 15-20 HR and 75 or so RBI. Right now on the ESPN website, he’s “projected” to hit 17 HR with 62 RBI.

However, when I stated that I’d be OK with those numbers, it was assuming that McCann and Francoeur “took the next step”, and that Chipper and Andruw were tearing it up.

So, ultimately, this team STILL could survive with Thorman at 1B, as long as the 2 HOFr’s did their job, and Frenchy and McCann have big second halves.

1B is NOT the reason we are trailing the Mets.

Having said ALL of that. I’d put Salty at 1B in a heartbeat, and not look back.

By Kool Aid

July 17, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Carroll

Is your name pronounced like the Chuck Berry song “Carol”? I love that freakin song. Chuck Berry is God on the gittar. You should def have that song as your ringtone if that is your name. I would love to have a kick-a$$ song with my name in it. “Black Peter” by the dead just doesnt make a good ringtone

Mike Vick…Innocent until proven Guilty

By DonCoburleone

July 17, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Welp, looks like Cox has finally seen enough of Thorman… Salty is starting at 1B tonight with a righty on the mound… Anyone wanna bet that Thorman is not a Brave in 2 weeks (or less)?

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 17, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Funny how the Feds were so quick to jump in on the Michel Vick case but cannot find 12 million illegal immigrants in this country. Are the Falcon’s on the Redskin’s schedule this year? Washington moves in mysterious ways.

By DonCoburleone

July 17, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

“Besides the fact, they don’t need an outfield bat, they need a guy who can pinch-hit and play some first base (since they don’t appear ready to try Salty there on a daily basis).”

Looks like it to me DOB, why else would Salty be starting at 1B tonight against a righty?

By HP

July 17, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Mike Wick is the sickest person I have ever seen in my life. Did anyone read that 18 pages indictment? Boy, he is done. What an IDIOT? No more football for him in his life. Falcons should sign Dolphins QB Daunte Culpepper immediately who just got released today.

By versiroth

July 17, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Woah…. Salty is playing at 1st tonight Vs a Righty over Thorman. I’m glad. Thorman had his chance.

By TennesseePaul

July 17, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

Payne: A couple of things here.

By The Grinch, Falcon Fan

July 17, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, please, please not Joey Harrington! Ohhhh, GAWD (sob, sob)! Ok, ok. I knew this was coming one day for the actions of my misspent youth, but….NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not Joey Harrington!

Brent a., I got a date tomorrow night, would you kindly repeat to her about how impressive six inches is? :-)

Oh, no; the pain is back! Please God (note I’m capitalizing it this time) not Joey Harrington! Bwaaaah-ha-ha-ha-hawww The franchise truly is doomed. I’ve been walking around all day in a Falcons shirt and now it’s soaked in tears…Damn you Rankin Smith!

By The Grinch, Falcon Fan

July 17, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

HP, the Falcons won’t be able to sign ANYONE for quite some time to come. They’re right up against the cap now; if they cut vick, it’s a 6 million hit this year and a 15 million hit next year. WE’RE SCREWED.

By PERNELL PEACH

July 17, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Baseball is my third best and favorite sport. Can you guess my favorites?

By Edd

July 17, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Anybody that does not like Bobby Cox, how about checking out how many wins you have in t-ball, hahaha, and compare your t-ball salary to Bobby’s. Go beitch to your fat ugly wife and your minimum wage job , you loser. Go Braves !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By mike

July 17, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Is it just me but every time I see Matt Diaz in the line up I cringe from the way he runs, ( waddles ) throws ( heaves ) to his extra small batting helmet. But you know what? You look in the box score and there he is working a couple of hits and punching the clock every night. Mr Diaz I stand corrected sir.

By DonCoburleone

July 17, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Wow, just checking out our lineup right now. It really is a pretty loaded lineup when everyone is healthy… Harris - Renteria - Chipper - Andruw - McCann - Francoeur - KJ - Saltalamacchia.

Very, very well balanced with speed at the top (Harris), a great situational hitter in the 2 hole (Renteria), mashers in the middle (Chipper, Andruw, McCann, Francoeur) and legitimate threats at the bottom (KJ & Salty). Not to mention the left hand-right hand split is L-R-S-R-L-R-L-S… Perfect balance in all aspects… GO BRAVES!!!

By Gustopher

July 17, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

CR great blog. It must have been tough after writing a game story late. Keep up the good work

By Chop Chop

July 17, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Harrington has a better career completion percentage than Vick…hahahahaha.

Looks like Vick took the heat off Kyle Davies, didn’t he?

Holy Cornelia!

By TennesseePaul

July 17, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Payne: I forgot to meantion one last thing. Segregation. Now, I’ve heard from Joe Morgan and Gary Sheffield that baseball is segregating again and shunning parts of America, outsourcing to forgein countries and crippling large demographic blocks of our communities. Apparently we are back to the dark ages. I’m not so certain you can use de-segregation as a counter point. At least, Joe and Sheff would beg to differ.

By TennesseePaul

July 17, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

And Michael Vick is going down. Lying in a bed he made.

I really enjoyed watching this guy when he was in college. To bad he spent all his good will.

By Chop Chop

July 17, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

I don’t give a damn about the cap, Grinch. When Blank signed Vick to that huge deal a few years ago, I knew we were screwed. We’ve just got to carry on, man.

On the bright side, the only player jersey I’ve ever bought in my life belongs to a guy indicted on dogfighting charges. Falcon Fever, baby! Catch it!

By Lew

July 17, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Grinch-If you need a friend to explain your shortcomings to your date, you’re in serious trouble, Dude. Stay home and save your money.

By Carroll Rogers

July 17, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

yes salty is at first base tonight against a right-hander arroyo, just filed a burst. not sure how quick it’ll get up, with quite a few things going on with ahem vick. cox says he’s not giving up on thorman, just wants to see salty get some left-handed hacks, but i think we all know this might be a sign of things to come.

davies does have options, can be sent down. no word of the move yet. they’ll wait til after the game to announce.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 17, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

If a certain racial group, any racial group chooses not to play a particular sport, big deal!!! I don’t see anybody upset about the number of minorities in hockey, the number of white dudes in basketball, or the over-representation of hispanic soccer players. There are other issues with which we can concern ourselves {INSERT BUSH BASHING HERE}

Anyway, it takes alot of patience to make it to the bigs in MLB and several more years before the big bucks start rolling in. In the NFL and NBA a young player can be a millionaire with just a few years of college.

By Shaun

July 17, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

There are more blacks and black latinos than there were before 1947, without a doubt.

And you keep bringing up US population. What about every other country?

It used to be only white American-born males. I’m sure there are enough Americans, Latins, Asians, Australians to keep up with the increase in demand.

And the point about medical science was an answer to how the talent pool has gotten bigger. Lew said there are more diseases and conditions that have shrunk the talent pool. My argument was the talent pool is bigger because now a kid with a problem that used to keep him from playing sports and excelling can now do the opposite. It was not that medical science turns average players in great ones. It was medical science keeps people alive and keeps people that used to have polio from contracting it and things of that sort.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

July 17, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Somebody help me…Do the Falcons take a cap hit if Vick is traded? I know few teams would want to have him now, but before the Raiders drafted JaMarcus, they would’ve taken him. They’re a team historically full of degenerates.

By HP

July 17, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Interesting article from mlb.com about Braves trade rumors:

*The Braves have a definite need to improve their bench with somebody capable of platooning at first base with the switch-hitting Jarrod Saltalamacchia. At the same time, like everybody else, they are searching a barren market in hopes of landing a reliable veteran starting pitcher.

Most teams are asking about Saltalamacchia and Yunel Escobar. Though Atlanta would be willing to move Escobar, Saltalamacchia would likely only be dealt in a marquee deal that this year’s market likely won’t feature. If teams are looking for young starting pitching, Kyle Davies likely became available on Monday night after being chased in the first inning without recording an out, giving up two runs after only facing five batters.

Escobar has proven to be valuable offensively and versatile defensively. He’s a strong-armed shortstop who’s looked comfortable at third and has gradually learned the second base position. Though he can hit leadoff, he may be more valuable hitting in the two-hole. With the likely need to fill Andruw Jones’ void in the offseason, the Braves may be leery about assuming responsibility of the future salaries owed to Jose Contreras and Matt Morris. But anything’s possible.

Kevin Millar, Jeff Conine and Scott Hatteberg are all on Atlanta’s radar. The one acquired would be filling a role intended for Scott Thorman, who can also be had with the right deal.

As for their attempt to improve their bullpen, the Braves may attempt to grab one of Kansas City’s relievers, namely Dotel, even if they have to assume his $1.5 million buyout clause for next season.*

This shows that Braves scout are all over the place and Braves are seriously thinking about trading for a starting pitcher, bench player, and a reliever. So Braves fans stop mentioning again and again what BC and JS needs to do because they are taking care of the business as usual. BTW, does anyone see salty in lineup with a right hand pitcher on the mound. I guess BC and JS reads this blog after the game what braves fans have to say about the team. Just Kidding!!!

By DonCoburleone

July 17, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

“You look in the box score and there he is working a couple of hits and punching the clock every night. Mr Diaz I stand corrected sir.”

Diaz has definately won me over as well. Halfway through last season I was thinking how lucky he was to be hitting .340 that far through the season cuz he just doesn’t look good out there in the field and in the box. But the guy can just flat out hit. I mean, as an Atlanta Brave the guy has 165 hits in only 495 AB’s. Thats a .333 average in a full season worth of work!

Heres another way to look at it: give Diaz as many at-bats as Francoeur had in 2006 (650) and Diaz would have lead the major leagues last year with 217 hits!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

now, some levity. what are some jo jo chants that can be used at the ballpark? how about: jo jo, jo jo, jo jo. or perhaps, go, jo jo, go. or maybe, give me a jo, give me another jo. then there is the old favorite, when you’re out of jo jo, you’re out of beer. still, what does bobby call this young player? “kid”? how many players are named, “kid” on this team? how about “c’mon ya cute little monkey …” no, that does not sound right even for bobbycox. needs to be two syllables, max. anyway, jo jo has much to overcome with a monkey name but if jo jo gets out of the first inning, jo jo may have joined the rotation. wait, jo jo may be a suitable name. fran, kukla, ollie, chipper, and jo jo. dob.

and more on michael vick … if any skeletons in the closet (or yard) best to get them out for all to see.

now, salty the switch-hitter will be allowed to switch-hit. this is good. reminds this journalist of how a switch-hitting catcher would never, never change positions. never.

in tonight’s lineup: salty, jo jo, frenchy, and chipper. sounds like a carnival. still, beats woodward and orr.

By mr baseball

July 17, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

Alleged Journalist Jimmy Smith: ordinarily I scan through your posts since there is little about baseball in them as opposed to redundant efforts at humor. After actually reading your 5:20 something post, I see why you don’t offer many baseball comments.

I don’t think a whole lot of Cox’s managerial strategy, but at least I understand what he’s trying to do and why he does it. What part of platooning don’t you understand? Willie Harris has never, repeat NEVER been able to hit LH pitchers. Matt Diaz is hitting well into the .300s. Exactly why is Willie a better option against lefties?

Kelly Johnson hit lefties early in the season, not so much since. Escobar has hit every time he’s in the lineup (defense is another story but not for here). Are you saying Escobar should be sitting on the bench or back at Richmond?

Did I read your post correctly? Do you think Thorman should be playing 1B every day instead of Salty. That’s what the post implies. If so, please explain why you think Thorman is the better player.

The Braves are not struggling against lefties because Cox platoons at 3 positions. Early in the season, they were winning almost every game against RH pitchers with Langerhans in the starting lineup. By your logic (if there is any), Langerhans should have been playing all the time since the team did so well when he was playing.

It is not the fault of Diaz, Escobar (his bat at least) and Salty that the Braves are not doing as well against lefties. If anyone wants to check, I’d bet they hit lefties as well as righties, but for some reason, they don’t pitch as well when the opposition has a LH starter.

Cox does a lot of things that don’t make much sense. Platooning at those 3 positions is not among them. JJS: please stick to toes, pies and whatever else suits your fancy. Leave baseball to those who actually understand it.

Also, you want to talk about Mike Vick, try a blog where people actually give a crap about the dog fighting issue.

One last thing. Kyle Davies is eventually going to be a decent major league pitcher. I’m guessing it’s not going to be in a Braves uniform.

By Carroll Rogers

July 17, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

and when i say the move i mean whatever roster move they make to get smoltz back on it. don’t know who that’ll be yet.

By The Grinch, Falcon Fan

July 17, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

But Chop Chop, we finally got a coach who can figure out how to utilize him; he’s spent three years figuratively handcuffed, and now during what’s left of his prime he’s going to be literally handcuffed. This is like watching Mohammed Ali lose his best three sitting in jail (and no, I’m not comparing the two as people, but as athletes the skill set of which their respective sports had never seen). This SUCKS. And as for you not caring about the cap, I’ll wager you’ll start to care when they have to cut everyone and man the roster from the freakin’ arena league. Jason Webster will start to look like Champ Bailey.

Lew, it’s not a shortcoming; that’s the national average (or so I’ve read when desperately seeking affirmation). Besides, it’s not the size that counts. At least, that’s what people with small equipment say. Speaking of packages, did you get the one I sent you?

Joey FREAKING Harrington. >:0

By yars

July 17, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Good to see Kelly Johnson back in the lineup. I’m not a fan of this platoon at 2B. It’s not fair to KJ or Yunel. It’s obvious both KJ & Yunel should be playing everyday. Yunel doesn’t look comfortable at 2B. I think either SS or 3B would be more natural for him. I predict KJ will be our everyday LF next season.

By chipdip

July 17, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

I hear Michael Vick is avaliable.

By Bob, Journalist

July 17, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

For those who might think my position on young Kyle Davies’ prospects has changed … it has. For those thinking it hasn’t, it hasn’t.

I still believe that the young man has the potential to be a superior performer and hope that it will be realized before he grows old.

He certainly seemed to be making good progress assimilating the recent modifications and I believed it would allow him to be increasingly and consistently effective, without significant further delay or interruption … I continue to directionally so believe.

However, I also believe that he, like so many others, suffers from excessive fear of failure … typically wondering and waiting for disaster to strike, each and every time he takes the mound.

But, as we know, the disease takes many forms … I now believe his may be a less common variety … rather than a fear that manifests itself during the game, it’s a demon that rears its head before the game even starts … and he must conquer it each and every time out … I’d be looking to find the “exceptions” … how is he different as he prepares for the game … for some reason, I feel that may be where the answers lie … does he sometimes have too much time to prepare and ponder?

I rather doubt that Richmond, Rome, or Mississippi is the answer ‘cause he’s got the stuff and he’s shown he can do it … but the answers are somewhere to be found and had … it’s the questions with which he needs help.

Yes, it’s a bemusement … hypnotize the kid, do something … methinks the roller-coaster ride is making both him and us sick … and I don’t think his continuing to start for Atlanta, until it’s resolved, is in anyone’s best interest … except maybe that of the opposition.

By Lew

July 17, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

Shaun-I specified Obesity and Diabetes as the diseases most likely to make a person not physically able to perform at a ML level. All you have to do is turn on the evening news and hear about the world wide epidemics of these diseases among the youth of the world. They have proliferated at a rate far exceeding the general increase in population. As far as medication making it easy to treat or cure these conditions-guess again. Almost every medication used for the treatment of Diabetes leads to even more weight gain. The doctors just don’t advertise that fact. As far as weight loss among the kids (or anyone else, for that matter)-well, weight loss nightmares are commonplace stories. It is just plain difficult to lose weight-especially for kids coming up wanting to learn baseball. Now, I’m certainly not saying this has caused the dearth in pitching in MLB, but it damn sure has it’s effect on the talent pool.

By ACB

July 17, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

What’s an ‘option’?

By Lew

July 17, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

Grinch-Not a shortcoming? You poor, poor boy. How average.

By Michael Nissenfeld

July 17, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

To the blogger that inquired about Rheal Cormier. Rheal had decided to hang it up and he retired. He is no longer in the Braves organization.

By Lew

July 17, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

Grinch-Not yet. Did you send it by post office or Pony Express?

By jb

July 17, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

Mike, I agree watching Diaz run and throw does make one cringe. That said, he tends to throw fairly accurately, get put outs when he should, run down fly balls he should, steal bases, and just hits. He may not be pretty, but he is effective.

I don’t know why the options thing is a concern on Thorman. He can’t cut it; he’s more of an automatic out than a pitcher. A pitcher even has more value because they can get down bunts. Trade him for anything (we did with Langerhans,) or option him to the minors! If he gets picked up from someone else, so be it. I can’t imagine anyone reaching out and taking him, however.

By DonCoburleone

July 17, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

From an article I read a few years back regarding blacks in baseball:

Many suggest some scouts are reluctant to spend much time in some of the more dangerous city neighborhoods - and not just white scouts.

“Actually, in Oakland, where I’ve resided for years, I’m scared to go in there,” said Twins first-base coach Jerry White, who is black. “And I live there. And that’s where all the talent is.”

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

rinch That is why women are such poor judges of distance. All their life they have been told that [——————]is six inches. No wonder. :-)

By John C

July 17, 2007 7:33 PM | Link to this

yeah chipdip, I hear his stuff is “electric.”

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this

Grinch Sorry about the “G”. I have it here when you want it. :-)

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 17, 2007 7:39 PM | Link to this

Moments after TheSouthernJackAss once again left the blog forever…he received a message from his cousin TheSouthernWartHog…cousin TheSouthernWartHog said to me, “cousin TheSouthernJackAss, don’t allow that bunch of no sense of humour pukes to discourage you from continuing to interject a bit of TheSouthernJackAss essence into an otherwise dry, boring, and witless blog, go back, and be even more of a TheSouthernJackAss than you’ve ever been before!”…I replied to cousin TheSouthernWartHog that he was absolutely right, that TheSouthernJackAss would return to the blog with a far more tempestuous attitude than any one blog could possibly contain…thank you cousin TheSouthernWartHog for causing TheSouthernJackAss to see the light…

So blow out the candles, and turn off the lights, your premature “good riddance JackAss” celebration has come to a crashing halt…and as far as TheSouthernJackAss is concerned…the gloves are off!…you worthless A$sClowns…

By ACB

July 17, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

What did Frued say about small packages and gun lovers, Grinch?

By David O'Brien

July 17, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this

Yes, DonC, I heard Salty was in lineup shortly after I’d posted that comment. Good to see. (I’m not out there, so I hadn’t heard obviously, until I listened to the radio pregame).

By chipdip

July 17, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

Michael Vick could bring alot of fight to the team.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

SJA Are you kin to on again, off again, gone again Flanigan? Just wondered. :-)

By Bob, Journalist

July 17, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

I attended our first game and have always been a Falcon fan but if the information presented in the AJC reports of the Vick indictment is valid, methinks Michael should receive the severest penalty that can be effected, hopefully including prohibition against his engaging in any capacity in any professional sport.

Good top of the first!

By DonCoburleone

July 17, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this

“Yes, DonC, I heard Salty was in lineup shortly after I’d posted that comment. Good to see.”

Dang right that’s good to see… And DOB do you agree with my 6:42 post??? Doesn’t our lineup look STACKED tonight?

By Ed Glennon

July 17, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this

I have a solution to the whole problem of whom to kick off the roster. Put Woodward and Davies in a pit bull ring and see which one Mike Vick bets on: then send out the other guy.

By MEB

July 17, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

1, 2, 3 first inning for Jo Jo. Of course I think the first baseman is still required to actually catch the ball to record an out. Lets get Jo Jo some runs tonight and help Jo Jo’s confidence level.

mr baseball… I think you will find there are lot of things this blog cares about to include baseball and the outstanding posts of the Esteemed Journalist Jimmy Smith.

GO BRAVES!!!

By The Grinch

July 17, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

“Sorry about the G; I have it here when you want it.” Hopefully, that’s what she’ll say.

Lew, not all of us can be award-winning artists who are hung like a mule. At least I live in a state where there are lots of good looking heterosexual women I can inflict my mediocrity on. You’re stuck with dairy cows and homos. Say high to Ben and Jerry for me. :-)

ACB, I’m not sure…I’ve been too busy trying to kill my dad and sleep with my mom. I always thought it was Jim Morrison’s influence…

By Bob, Journalist

July 17, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

Welcome back Most Honorable Southern!

I posted to you, shortly after your departure methinks. It would be rather nice it you could invite some of these folks to luncheon … those who keep asking for you to so do.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 17, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

Okay JackA$$ see if you can use some of the mojo on JoJo….

By Saltywoody

July 17, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Don Totally agree with you. Our lineup looks GREAT tonight. Strong from top to bottom. Don’t know why it doesn’t look like this every night.

I mean, even the pitcher’s spot looks better than having woody or Orr or Thor in there.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 17, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

chipdip Instead of the Crime Dog they could have the dog crime……

Sorry guys, sometimes they are just too easy… :-)

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

boy, mr. baseball is something else! journalist jimmy smith learned more baseball in that post from mr. baseball than ever before. so smart and such a winsome personality, to boot!

and the braves pitchers are to blame - they don’t pitch well when a lefty starts for the other team. sounds right to this journalist, mr. baseball. if mr. baseball says so.

now, insulting jimmy smith because mr. baseball has a different opinion is the trait of a blogger with a small brain and a small whatever grinch was talking about earlier. must be why it is MR. baseball. compensating.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

Grinch :-)!!

By Ron

July 17, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

I wish we could get Arroyo from the Reds for Lillibridge, JoJo Reyes, and a descent prospect!!! But of course the Reds would probably ask for twice that!!!

By Steve from OH

July 17, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

This may be a bit biased becuase I’ve never been a fan of Vick, but…

If you ask me, he’s screwed. There’s gotta be enough evidence to convict him or the feds wouldn’t bother to indict him. If he’s convicted, I hope he’s thrown away for a long time and(sorry Grinchy) the poor Falcons may just be stuck with Harrington. Perhaps Daunte Culpepper would be a better option? This Ohioan thinks so.

By All Spin Zone

July 17, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

Is a “descent” prospect like the son of a prospect? May pay dividends in like 20 years?

Couldn’t resist :)

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 17, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

Paladin is goin’ to bed. I don’t know what Rickey is doing, but it damn sure ain’t nothing with me.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

July 17, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this

Grinch Don’t pick on Lew, they are trying to ban nudity in Vermont even as we blog….. Would make it very difficulty to complete the deal methinks…:-)

By John C

July 17, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this

Chipdip, the only thing is, he will “hang” one occassionally.

By The Grinch

July 17, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

I’m thinkin’ JoJo just pooped in Kyle Davies’ fridge and ate a whole wheel of cheese.

By some guy

July 17, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

Am I the only person to notice that the Braves have yet to hit a grand slam this year?

By Kathy

July 17, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

I think trading Kyle Davies now could prove to be a future Jason Schmidt deal in hindsight. Kyle is young, and has been in the rotation out of necessity. Look what happened to poor Joey Devine! I think patience is needed in Kyle’s case, let’s not jump the gun.

By All Spin Zone

July 17, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

Davies is proof of how important the head is to pitching.

With that thought in mind, would be nice if the Braves would get Reyes a couple of runs….SOONER…rather than later. It would suck if Jo Jo pitches 5 decent innings then gets teed off on because he’s feeling like he has to throw a shutout.

The Braves need to get back on the early scoring binge again. With every inning Reyes throws without a run or two to work with, the more the pressure on him will build.

C’mon guys, help the kid out…NOW!

By The Grinch

July 17, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this

Night, Paladin; we’ll keep the blog warm.

Gil, I forgot; not being able to expose himself to the Red Hat Society will cut down on his opportunities considerably.

Steve from OH, of course Culpepper would be a better option. Napoleon Dynamite’s Llama would be a better option. Can we afford to sign him (Culpepper)now that we’re 6 mil over the cap and 15 next year? No sir. The only changes will be cutting the talent we still have, or trading it for future draft picks.

Arroyo’s got good stuff; methinks he would be a good addition to our roster.

By cricket

July 17, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this

What is with our hitters that they just can’t seem to hit the soft off-spead stuff?

By The Grinch

July 17, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Well, he did what he should have and put it in play to try to avoid Griffey. Lucky hit. Davies would’ve thrown it a foot outside for a walk and then grooved one to Griff. This kid’s at least got the mental makeup, and he’s a year younger. He was in “A” ball last year, and he’s doing pretty good when his team needs him to now. I’d keep him up ‘till I got a trade done for Arroyo. :-)

By Steve from OH

July 17, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Grinch: Sorry, I’m not that familiar with the Falcon’s cap situation, being an Ohioan and all. I was just hypothesizing. I did however laugh at the thought of Napoleon Dynamite’s Llama quarterbacking for you guys.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this

your a idiot!! hadn’t seen that one today and thought it might brighten up this blog a bit.

journalist thanks meb for taking this journalist’s back. now, will mr. baseball come at this “alleged journalist” again like a crazed dog in michael vick’s backyard? imagine attacking another blogger personally just for having a different opinion!

… and the blogger is right - the lineup is a good one. not seeing a lot of woodward or others because the opposing manager is playing bobby like a damaged martin ukulele (fixed yet?).

By Bob, Journalist

July 17, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

MEB, nice reply! Mr baseball is no simpleton … he well knows that and that is why Jimmy is his target.

Only Lamont knows for sure but I would suspect that the only things he has in common with Paladin are that he should give out Protonix with his posts while Paladin takes it and it’s past both of their bedtimes.

That’s what methinks but Jimmy is the target and the authority on such matters.

By some guy

July 17, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

COME ON GUYS!!!!!!!!! GET SOME FREAKIN RUNS!!!!!!!!!!

By Ron

July 17, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

Another leadoff double, and we cant score him!!! Now Salty cant even move the runner to third!!! And we did not even score and the Pitcher got a hit!!! That is Truly pathedic!!! We have got to lead MLB in most double to start the inning and still not score!!!

By The Grinch

July 17, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Steve, our cap situation was perfect until today (we were snug up against it). 21.5 mil’s what’s left of Vick’s signing bonus that has to be payed out immediately over two years when he’s cut. Those are the cap hits we’ll have to take in that order this year and next, which will obviously cripple our team. The wasted talent of Vick disappearing would be bad enough if that’s all it was; we don’t get that money back to help replace him which makes it a nightmare. Imagine how the Lions felt when they signed Joey Harr——-D’OH! D’OH! D’OH!

By chrisklob

July 17, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Did any of your music buffs catch the clip of Arroyo signing and playing the guitar? I’m curious to hear y’all’s thoughts.

By Ron

July 17, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

I am impressed with JoJo Reyes tonight!!! 2 earned runs so far through 7 innings!!! Excellent!!! He only made one bad pitch and that was to Keppinger who he wanted to get out, because he knew Griffey was up next!!! He wanted to throw a perfect pitch to Keppinger!!! He will learn though! I dont care who takes over Davies spot, But we need to send Davies down to AAA, no way we should trade him, I think he will be very good in two years from now!!!

By TennesseePaul

July 17, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Payne: The segregation remarks were in jest, that is to say, not to be taken seriously.

By Greg in TN

July 17, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

Evening friends and neighbors…

Jo Jo Reyes, two-game hitting streak. Way to go kid.

That’s the high point of the evening so far, but the bullpen has yet to sniff action tonight, so certainly I’ll take what we’ve gotten so far from young Mr. Reyes. It’s looking more and more to me like Kyle Davies’ new mailing address will have a zip code of 23230. It’s really a shame, some here have mentioned that he would’ve started the year in Richmond had fate not intervened and I believe they’re right. There was one mention that it was the franchises fault. Not sure the connection there as things like that happen. Call it the fate of the baseball deities or whatever you’d like.

We need to scratch out some hits. A good opportunity passed by the wayside in the fifth despite Reyes’ hit and alert base running by KJ.

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 17, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

I really wish the team would take a chance and just start Salty everyday, instead of trading for someone that will keep him from developing.

Does anyone know what Salty’s average was in the minors left-handed vs. right handed???? And is he considered a better right-handed hitter, at least power wise???

By daxxed

July 17, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

I don’t know if JoJo has Mojo, but I do know that Cox is the reason we will lose this game. With a man of 3 and 1 out….bunt…2 to 1 changes the complexity of a game instead of 2 to 0….Why is it we can beat top teams but loose to the worst….Well the cake walk that the Braves were hoping to be in will find them 4 games behind the Mets by the time they hit the road…No ABC at the time of need, when the Mets don’t hesitate, no matter who is at bat to bring the runner in from 3rd with 1 out. Sometimes you just have to rely on fundamentals in scoring instead of a 3 run blast. Besides when yo have the basses full and no oone out and can’t bring in a run. Something is wrong…

By All Spin Zone

July 17, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

I can’t help it, I worry about the Braves going on a streak. Baseball is a game of streaks, but the Braves seem to hit like bandits or not hit….. at all.

Started getting a bit concerned last night. It wasn’t that the Braves were down by a lot early last night, it was that they weren’t getting guys in when in scoring position. Things just felt funky all night from the offensive standpoint. Heck even Diaz was 0-5.

Just hope this isn’t the start of a period of AWOL offense.

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this

Well, well, well, look back to Sunday when I said the Reds would come to town after getting DOMINATED by the Amazin’s and EXPOSE you for the weak team you are.

Am I sychic? No, your suckick! Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Getting swept by the Reds. How’s it taste?

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 17, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

Bob,Journalist—thank you for the warm welcome back…I have read, and do appreciate, your earlier post directed at TheSouthernJackAss…I am presently laying out a delectable spread for those what been a hankerin’ for a taste…

TheSouthernJackAss has resolved to post less frequently than has been his custom, and his comments shall carry less profanity, but much greater profundity…

Additionally, TheSouthernJackAss will respond to, or acknowledge, only a select few, which have exemplified the proper character, behavior, and decorum befitting any decent, public forum such as this award-winning blog…

The times…they are a changin’…

By Lew

July 17, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

Gil-If I walked around nude up here, they’d ban it for sure. Besides, It’s too damned cold. Maybe Grinch should stay down south. Apparently he couldn’t survive the shrivel factor.

By some guy

July 17, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

Forget this game.

By I drool on the Mets tools

July 17, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

Am I sychic?????

By MEB

July 17, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

If my understanding of baseball is correct Jo Jo cannot win this game if the Braves do not score some runs. I might need to clarify this fact with some of our more astute bloggers. Well Bobby has just pulled Jo Jo and he does appear to be very pleased with the young mans efforts. I believe he recorded 19 more outs than Kyle did last night.

OUCH!!! Moylan did not fool Junior with that big fat pitch.

GO BRAVES!!!

By ernesto

July 17, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

hate to say the game could come down to one call but Pete had the 2 hitter struck out…but he’s got to come back and make the next pitch. He’s turned this into a laugher. Ouch. This is freakin’ pathetic.

By mr baseball

July 17, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

Somewhat thin-skinned Journalist Jimmy Smith: wasn’t attacking you personally, just pointing out that your observation about the lineup was rather flawed. I actually find some humor in your posts, but you tend to mine the same fields a bit too often, at least in my opinion. You just happened to be the one (of many) who offered a knee-jerk opinion on platooning at that particular time. Also, I noticed you didn’t defend your opinion, just dropped an insult or two.

While we’re on the topic of sacred cows here, I have a question for anyone who has been a regular blogger pre-2007. What exactly is the point of anything authored by SJA? Other than repeated threats to leave the blog, and even more repeated threats to wreak destruction on any and all who incur his wrath, does he have something/anything to say about any topic of interest? Haven’t come across anything I can remember.

A rhetorical question for the Braves’ alleged genius GM: Exactly how does a team have 13 pitchers on the roster, 8 of them relievers, and not one of those 8 is a lefty? I understand about Ledezma, but why wasn’t a lefty brought up/signed/whatever in his place. The McBride trade doesn’t look too good right now, joining the Gonzalez deal and Redman/Wilson/Sturtze/Woodward signings. And the Ramirez/Soriano swap may not be such a great one by the end of the season.

By All Spin Zone

July 17, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

Rookie comes up and pitches 6 innings and gives up 2 runs. That doesn’t make him the next Sandy Koufax, but it sure as heck gives you a chance to win the game.

They come out in the 7th and add two more runs to Reyes total.

Folks, if you score the guy a couple runs, it can change the entire complexion of the game. As it turned out, ZERO runs going into the seventh enabled the Reds to go into the seventh playing on “house” money. Result? Four more runs.

Reyes final grade tonight?

Solid start from a potential #5 starter. After all…. a # 5 only has to give you a chance to win.

Reyes did his part. The offense didn’t.

By Bob, Journalist

July 17, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

Stepping back …

Be patient … it’s wasy to jump to conclusions about a player … good and bad.

Remember when “Hurricane” Hazle was called up by the Braves to replace Billy Bruton who was injured in the second half of 1957?

Bob hit over .400 and had several game winning hits, playing a big role in the Braves winning pennant drive … never heard of him? The Hurricane didn’t last long … sold to the tigers in early ‘58, gone in ‘59.

Bobby preaches even keel … it’s not a bad idea when evaluating youngsters … there are going to be times when they shine and times when they fall on their faces … let’s just be glad they’re here and enjoy them while they are.

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 17, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

What the f@#% is going on the last 2 nights? The team looks lifeless, the crowd has been lifeless. This team had such a great run the last 2 weeks, but has been outscored 16-3 by the Reds?!? Wow, Kyle’s 1st inning last night sure sucked the life out of us, didn’t it? I know, I know it’s baseball…it still sucks. Do you think Arroyo just might have moved onto our radar screen as we get closer to the trade deadline? Go Padres, and go Smoltzie tomorrow so we don’t get swept by the Reds (Good God, so we don’t get swept by the Reds. I can’t believe I just typed that!)

By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 17, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

chrisklob,

Arroyo is no Bernie Williams! ;)

By geauxbraves2000

July 17, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

Not a bad offensive showing tonight by the Braves. They’ve pounded out 3 hits against a pitcher who is 3-10 with a 4.55 ERA.

I just can’t figure this team out. At times they look like they could beat the 27(?) Yankees, but other times they couldn’t beat me and my daughters.

Geaux Braves!!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

oh, the humanity! shrivel factor? grinch brought this on grinch’s self. should talk ukuleles in the future. and lew seems to be in fine spirits tonight. and jo jo can stay around for awhile under the big top. pitched okay. and journalist welcomes back the sja, defender of the blog. and vick still indicted.

By Shut Out Streak

July 17, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

So are we going to start a new shutout streak tonight? Offense has been pathetic the last two nights.

By JasonInMaine

July 17, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

Well, losing this series sure kills the momentum from sweeping the pirates. Man, it appears they are in another one of their funks where they can’t score with runners in scoring position. This is really too bad…getting killed by the team with the worst record in the league…at home to boot. Not good at all.

By ernesto

July 17, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

This was a series we really needed, but Davies and the bullpen have killed us, and the No-ffense hasn’t helped either.

By ernesto

July 17, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

By the way, it seems Willie is really coming back to earth, and Andruw hits a meaningless home run. At least Boras is happy…sure do wish he’d do that when it mattered.

By geauxbraves2000

July 17, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

Oh, I see, nine more strikeouts tonight. That’s 3 innings of not putting the ball in play. Put the ball in play and things happen, errors, the ball finds holes and so on.

In play run(s) - and - WTG AJ!

Geaux Braves!!

By All Spin Zone

July 17, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

At least we don’t have to worry about starting another shutout streak after Andruw’s bomb. lol

By Ookie

July 17, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Grinch, there may be a provision to void the contract, citing moral turpitude issues. We should find out more shortly.

By jed

July 17, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

i’m not able to watch the game tonight. (thanks again, bud selig.) checked the box score and it said jo jo reyes went 6.1, giving up four earned—two of which moylan inherited and let in. i’ve got that info, but how did he look? does he need to go back down or could he possibly have the stuff now to give us 6 good innings an outing?

By BravesDave

July 17, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

I really like Escobar, don’t get me wrong…but can we please stop platooning Kelly Johnson. Next to Edgar and Chipper, this guy is the most professional hitter on the team.

By fastasballs

July 17, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

It’s not over yet.

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

Your going to lose!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

By southernsleuth

July 17, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this

Lately, journalist jimmy smith has suffered numerous ugly attacks by ‘numerous’ ugly bloggers…tonight, ugly bloggers aren’t prevalent, however, journalist jimmy smith suffers yet another ugly attack by the ‘now’ mr baseball…a coincidence? I think not…it appears as though mr baseball is making identical ugly statements as those made by other numerous ugly bloggers…mr baseball yearns to earn his degree, but has not the credits…

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this

now, jimmy smith is reminded of the simpson’s episode with homer as “mr. plow”. mr. baseball reminds jimmy smith very much of mr. plow - and just a bit of the ugly stinky blogger. oh, well … not much of a challenge, mr. plow, er, baseball … journalist will engage no more.

now, ukulele playing attracts girls. this is well known. a blogger here has a broken ukulele. when will it be fixed?

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

How’s it taste?????

By Greg in TN

July 17, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

And just when you thought we’d go gentle into that good night, nice to see this rally. Salty tattooed one, but right to short.

By Tonight on TBS

July 17, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

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By \\\\\\\\\\BERIGAN//////////

July 17, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

Perhaps Mr Baseball is a politician…only a politician could lie like this….

By mr baseball July 17, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this Somewhat thin-skinned Journalist Jimmy Smith: wasn’t attacking you personally…..

a few hours earlier….

,By mr baseball *July 17, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this Alleged Journalist Jimmy Smith: ordinarily I scan through your posts since there is little about baseball in them as opposed to redundant efforts at humor. After actually reading your 5:20 something post, I see why you don’t offer many baseball comments. *

By PERNELL PEACH

July 17, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

Mike ain’t goin’ down on no turpitude.

By Soriano's Fastball

July 17, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t seem to have any movement at all to it anymore. Starting to be the rule rather than the exception.

By Braves20

July 17, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Nice comeback but on another note when was the last time Thorman had a friggin’ hit? Why are we wasting a roster spot on this guy?

By brian

July 17, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this

Yes Muts, it has been a long 2 games, but luckily there is still a long year.

I am starting to believe one of the bloggers last time that there is no way you could even be in highschool. “sychic” - give me a break. You obviously are not psychic since you cannot even spell it.

One thing we will never accuse you of having is class.

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 17, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this

Whether it happens or not in the 9th, it was nice to see that rally last inning. Finally, some life after 16+ innings of sleep-walking. Stay tuned Braves fans…

By Dave

July 17, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this

Hahahahahaha. The mets get DOMINATED last night by the Padres. Hey drool, how does one run against David Wells taste?

Hey, did Jose run them all out this week or has Willie had to lower the boom again? Hahahahahahahahaha. What a dork. You gripe about nobody wanting to talk baseball, but funny, you never seem to talk any baseball.

Good luck with Peavy tonight. He’ll EXPOSE you again for the frauds you are. Hahahahahahaha. How does that taste nimrod? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By brian

July 17, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Tough luck for Salty who hit that ball hard. Bad luck. I will take that AB anytime over Thorman’s

By Jake Peavy is Mets Daddy

July 17, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Mets face Jake Peavy tonight!

Muuuuuuaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

The Reds OWN you! Its total DOMINATION. I guess the Amazin’s taking 3 OUT OF 4 against them got them a little steemed up. Hahahahahahaha!

Or maybe your just not that good.

Maybe your getting EXPOSED!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

By brent a.

July 17, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Andruw’s homerun was so meaningless that it sparked 4-run rally that ended with Salty lining out to short with KJ on 3rd.

Now, we go to the ninth, trailing by 2.

Hopefully, AJ will get a chance to strike out to end the game so all his bashers can go to bed happy.

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Are you starting to believe?

Don’t do it.

They are going to break your hearts.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

By chrisklob

July 17, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

Thor’s last hit was on July 2 against the Dodgers. In the last 18 games he’s appeared he’s got 52 ab’s and 9 hits for a whopping .173 avg.

Hey DOB, does Thorman have any options left? Maybe he could benefit from spending some time in Richmond or Pearl. :-)

By John Lovitz

July 17, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this

…and then I grabbed him by the shirt, no, his neck…no his head, yeah, that’s what I did I grabbed him by his hair and pushed..no threw him over the bar. Yeah, that’s what happened. And I would have hurt him more, if I hadn’t been held back by my wife, Morgan Fairchild, whom I’ve seen naked.

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

By brent a.

July 17, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

Okay, so I was close @ 10:08

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

I told you. Hahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!!

Let’s talk some baseball. Your not very good. Tomorrow you will be 2.5 back. Your AAA guys are startign to play like AAA guys.

How’s it taste?

By geauxbraves2000

July 17, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

Thanks blo-pen.

Well, at least the offense came to life, hopefully that’ll carry over into tomorrow’s games.

Worst case scenario, 2 1/2 back with still a lot of games left.

Geaux Braves!!

By Dave

July 17, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

Funny, then I guess the amazins aren’t that good either.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

After all. We’ve EXPOSED you, we OWN you. 3-6 baby. Not just us though. The Dodgers DOMINATED you too. 0-3 against them. What’s up with that drool?

Why couldn’t you go better than 1-2 against the Tigers!

Why did the Twins take 2 of 3 and EXPOSE you too?

How in the WORLD did you lose 2 of 6 against the Rockies????? Hahahahahahaha.

But hey, at least you guys beat the Yankees for the season right? NOPE .500 against that PATHETIC team is all you can do.

Good luck with Peavy losers! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

By daxxed

July 17, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

Well…Blame that one on Cox…if he would had WH bunt in the runner on 3rd with 1 out we would be playing extra innings now…So ABC, which the Mets do play and the reason they are ahead of the Braves and will most likely continue to be, because Cox does not bunt in a runner when he is there. For if he would have, then we would be in extra innings right now…

By Harang Throws Hard!

July 17, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

So maybe we can hit him?

By MEB

July 17, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this

Journalist Jimmy… did you catch the ajc monkey article? It appears that Lucknow, India has quite a monkey problem. Sacred monkeys? Oh, the humanity!

Oh well, Andruw almost completed a memorable comeback. Great at bat by the hot-hitting Hoss. Smoltz will get them tomorrow night.

GO BRAVES!!!

By brent a.

July 17, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this

How about a moratorium on “options” jokes, beginning at 10:20 PM EDT?

(Unless, of course, they are directed at Coach :) ).

By An inpartial baseball fan

July 17, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

I think what the Mets fan is trying to say is that the Braves have a lot of hole. The Bullpen is being exposed because they can’t hold leads and they just aren’t a dominant group. The Braves have been getting lucky with other teams cast off players but now those players are showing why they were cast off. And the luck the Braves have had with there AAA call ups is starting to backfire. This is a team that has a lot of HOLES. And those holes are starting to be EXPOSED.

I think he makes a very good point.

By fastasballs

July 17, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

Damn I thought Andruw had hit another one.

Ok Muts Fool go watch YOUR Muts stink up the joint against Peavy. You would be half funny, if not for the fact that YOU’RE such a douchebag. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By chrisklob

July 17, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

Wow, disappointing couple of days in the ATL. Getting pounded by the Reds , the Reds, is pretty humiliating. I really think JS should dismantle this team. Trade everyone, and I mean everyone. Trade them for rookie ball prospects, trade them for 30-year old AA players, trade them for SkyMiles, trade them for freakin’ MyCokeRewards. Get whatever you can. The Mets are so dominating we have no chance. In fact, they are so dominating that we should probably ask permission to contract the franchise because we have no chance to win, not in anyone on this blog’s lifetime.

:-)

By JasonInMaine

July 17, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

I really thought andruw was going to get his first big hit of the year…I really, really did ):

What’s up with willy striking out looking in 2 big ABs? I was surprised by that as well…tough loss.

By El Doodie

July 17, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Peavy vs. El Doodie?

Bet the farm on Peavy tonight! Mets won’t gain anything on the Braves tonight. They’re playing the Padres who will DOMINATE them! The same Padres that the Braves took the season series from!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

By Impartial Drool Boy

July 17, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

A turd by any other name, smells the same. :)

By Dave

July 17, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What a tool! Nice try impartial/drool. you just proved you can’t talk baseball either.

Good luck with el dookie tonight. HAHAHAHA

I haven’t laughed this hard since the LAST time you were exposed for the fraud you are, just like your team! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lastings Milledge, your big hope? Just struck out against Peavy and looked like a fool, just like you! HAHAHAHA

Peace out nimrod!

By AMG

July 17, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Another loss but not the end of the world. Smoltz going tomorrow and with a win the Braves could still be 4-2 on the home stand with St. Louis coming to town.

Think positive. The little rally is good momentum going into a day game tomorrow. Jo Jo did not look too bad in his second outing. Not great and probably not ready for this year, but maybe a trade?

After looking at the remainder of the schedule… this division will be won or lost in the up-coming games against the Mets and Phillies.

By The Grinch

July 17, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Smith, the shrivel factor is involved no matter the weather…oh, the humanity!

Ookie, that would be a nice thing to learn for sure.

Mets Tool, you’re a F&^%ing @$$-clown, and your team is almost as absurdly pathetic as you are. Imagine if JS had your payroll. Imagine if a team with 1 7th of your payroll like the Marlins was within 7 1/2 games, less than the ‘91 Braves needed to come back from at the all star break…that would make your management sorry, incompetent and laughable, wouldn’t it? You are such a genuinely F&^%ing pathetic Laff-o-matic douchebag you’re hardly worth responding to. But since I’m bored, I will. &^%$ you, and the inner tube your “family” rode to Ellis Island on, you &%^$ing Jabrone. Cheers!

By fastasballs

July 17, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

Drool, you don’t know how to talk baseball, if you could then most would not have a problem with you. You are a perfect example of your obnoxious fan base.

I really hope you’re a 14 year old kid, if not you’re one dumb SOB.

Too bad Andruw’s ball didn’t go out because we wouldn’t have to read your garbage the rest of the night.

By AZBravoFan

July 17, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

Well, it was a nice enough effort from Jo-Jo, but I didn’t see enough to make me think JS shouldn’t keep working the phones to try and get a veteran starter. Way to many deep counts and walks and it ultimately cost him. Kind of like Russ Ortiz. Just don’t have the patience for that right now. Boy does Smoltz ever need to be a stopper tomorrow! Hope he’s got at least 6 or 7 zeros in that arm, because Harang is going to be tough.

By chrisklob

July 17, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

brent a.

Come on bro, I’m just having a little fun! Trying to bring a little levity to the blog!

By Greg in TN

July 17, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this

Not the end result I was looking for tonight, but we had our chance late to win it.

I have to say that Reyes looked good for most of the game. He really got let down by the pen tonight. Moylan could not keep the ball down and he paid for it dearly.

The question now is, who gets the short straw and has to go down? We’ll all find out soon enough.

Smoltz has answered the bell for us already this year several times, need another one from ya tomorrow big guy.

By Shaun

July 17, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

Lew,

I’m not sure where your evidence is that diabetes has decreased the talent pool. The talent pool has increased so much compared to say the early half of the 1900’s that I doubt more diabetes and obesity (if there is indeed more) has made much difference.

And what about other ailments that are treated better now than they were in say the first half of the 1900’s? You name diabetes and obesity but I’m sure someone in the medical field can name a lot of ailments and disease that have made quality of living better and quite possibly increased the number of young men in the major league talent pool.

An obvious example that I can think of off the top of my head is polio. I’m sure there are more.

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

Look the Dr. Susse character speaks, WHATEVER. Usually that dude runs and hides or makes up another name. Look I brake it down every night for you clowns - Wright better than Larry, Reyes better than Rentawreck, Beltran better than Fatdruw, etc. doesnt that spanking get tiring.

I’m tired of doing it. When Peavey falls tonight you will see…the Amazin’s are ready to GET ROLLING. Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! (Thank god we’re not playing a powerhouse like the Reds)

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

Ok guys, I just wet myself! I missed my medication again today!

Hahahahahaha!!!!

Why is it that I act this way? I’m EXPOSING myself! Look really hard at your computer screen! See me?!?! Don’t laff, I’m trying to fix that with Enzyte! Hahahahaha!!!!

EXPOSING! EXPOSING! EXPOSING!!

The Mets are really bad! I mean the Braves are really….good, I mean the Braves have the Mets really scared! No I meant that the Braves have dominated the Mets this year, I said DOMINATED!!

Was I through?

By An inpartial baseball fan

July 17, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this

I think the Mets fan makes some good points. The Braves are overated - look at the latest CBSsporstline power rankins the Braves fell 2 spots. Why? Becuase they are getting EXPOSED as a team that will probably finsih behind the Phils. They just don’t have the peaces. Of course the Mets havent been playing to their potential but clearly they are the better team.

By Jared

July 17, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this

It goes against the laws of physics just how much the Braves suck. Pathetic. They don’t deserve to make the playoffs, even if they win 20 games in a row starting tomorrow. Only a real pretender loses two in a row to the Reds.

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 17, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

Dissociative Identity Disorder…a severe condition in which two or more distinct identities, or personality states, are present in…and alternately take control of…an individual. The person also experiences memory loss that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness…

The individual may experience from 2 to more than 100 different identities…

Transitions from one identity to another are often triggered by psychosocial stress…visual or auditory hallucinations may occur…and these people are also highly suggestible…

Coincidently, there may exist an indirect correlation between those suffering from “DID” and that “green-eyed monster” called envy…which is an emotion that occurs when a person lacks another’s superior quality, achievement, or possession, and either desires it, or wishes that the other lacked it…

Point is…TheSouthernJackAss sure hopes there ain’t none of those poor, unfortunate folk ‘round these parts…

By brent a.

July 17, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

chriskslob,

it’s cool,

I’m joking too :)

By Hey look I'm Dr. Susse

July 17, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this

Oh no, it’s true the Amazin’s are better so were number 2

But the Phils are also better than we uh oh soon we’ll be number 3.

hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

By journalist jimmy smith

July 17, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this

all the famous cowboys had sidekicks. think about it. roy rogers had gabby hayes and pat brady, cisco kid had pancho, wild bill hickok had jingles jones, and the lone ranger had tonto (this is like tom had jerry for younger bloggers).

and who is michael vick’s sidekick? pernell peach. that’s right, pernell peach. this is not a fearsome sidekick - though pernell peach appears to be a nice blogger.

and why would a quarterback need a possee? and who is on this possee? pernell peach, that is who. pernell peach and others.

and who is joey harrington? girl dancer, right? no, that was joey heatherton, now 63 years old. no more kick.

and now baseball … 5 runs should be enough to win unless giving up 6 runs.

oh, a federal indictment is no big deal. what does a federal grand jury know? oh, bones on the table, huh?

and the reds are no longer in the cellar thanks to the braves. out of the closet so to speak.

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

My meds! My meds! I didn’t say that! Someone stole my name! I can’t believe a word I say!

Wright goes to funny boy bars and Larry is better than Wright.

What did I say?

I’m certain I didn’t say that! EXPOSED! EXPOSED!

My logic makes no sense. In fact it’s illogical! Did I say ill? Yes I am thank you.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

Mets have more payroll! We should be ashamed that we have a payroll over 125 mil and are only 1.5 games up! We’ll spend more money and still won’t make the world series!

EXPOSED!! EXPOSED!!

Hahahahaha!!!

Willie doesn’t like Omar. Omar doesn’t like Wille. LoDuca doesn’t like Hispanics. Nobody likes LoDuca.

I can’t believe I’m a Mets fan! They disappoint me year after year and that makes me CRAZY!!!!

I see Braves in my cereal, they’re in my bathroom and microwave!!! Braves are everywhere!!! Get away bad Braves, Get away!!!

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

LoD. comes through. Mets 1-0. Peavy aint’ all that is he?

Nice.

How’s it taste?

By Dave

July 17, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Now I KNOW you can’t talk baseball. Wright can’t hold Chipper’s jockstrap! What a tool.

Excuse me, that knock at your drool is the cops looking for your weed stash. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That’s the ONLY way you can be this dumb.

So the amazins are just NOW getting rolling? Weren’t they supposed to be dominating teams INSTEAD of getting dominated?

Hey, did Jose RUN to catch the charter from NY to SD, or did they HOLD the plane for him?

you are just way, way to easy drool, just like your pitching staff. How does that taste? Since you started asking that, how did Beltran’s frozen pizza strike three taste last year? Wow, a team five games over .500 DOMINATED you guys last year. How does taking a back seat to the Yankees in your own city taste? How does DOMINATING so much your hitting coach gets fired and you PANIC by hiring Rickey Henderson taste? Did you need ANOTHER reminder of ‘99? He helped you guys BIG TIME when we sent you packing in the NLCS baby.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By BravesFanInRockies

July 17, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

JoJo’s certainly earned another start. The offense really let him down. I’m guessing Davies earned a ticket to Richmond — and Ascanio will join him when Wilfredo returns.

One commenter suggested Davies might wind up being another Jason Schmidt; another said the next Jason Marquis.

Well, let’s compare some stats thru their age 23 seasons:

Who’s who?

A) 7-8; 123 IP; 135 H; 71 BB; 93 K; 5.74 ERA

B) 14-21; 237 IP; 280 H; 126 BB; 172 K; 6.15 ERA

C) 14-15; 257 IP; 263 H; 120 BB; 199 K; 4.44 ERA

Pitcher A is … Mr. Schmidt

Pitcher B is … Mr. Davies

Pitcher C is … Mr. Marquis

I was surprised, frankly. Marquis had the best start of the three and has gone sideways since then. Schmidt has been hurt. A lot. Davies is clearly the most disappointing. But I see him being more like Marquis, because Schmidt showed a dominant heater from the beginning; Marquis (and Davies) threw middling quality stuff. And both could hit! But I don’t want to rely on either one for wins in a pennant race.

By Coach ( I'm Only Right 90% Of The Time)

July 17, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this

I believe the word is M-E-D-I-O-C-R-E if looking for a word to describe this team. How else to explain a Braves squad that has scored an incredible 70 runs in the month of July and yet they are 7-6. Could it have something to do with the 4.57 team ERA in July…. you think ? The bullpen is beginning to show some cracks from overuse. Unless they add another quality starter before the July 31st deadline , we can pretty much kiss the playoffs GOODBYE !

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

Reyes = playing in the all star game

Rentawreck = watching Reyes playing in the all star game.

Wright = Allstar

Larry = day off

Beltran = allstar

Fatdruw = “yes I’ll have some more pie”

McCan’t = all star

McCan’t = harmless pop out in the all star game

Biatche! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By chrisklob

July 17, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this

brent a. You said: “chriskslob,

it’s cool,

I’m joking too :)”

chriskSLOB? Dude, that’s not cool. I’ll admit to being a little on the heavy side but SLOB? You can call me chunky, but slob is a little harsh considering that you don’t know me. :-)

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

See you biatches, we have this one in hand, Im off. El Duque can make 1 run stick.

Dr. Susse character - youre weak. Way to hide everytime I call you out. You are the harmless Mccant popout of hte blog world. Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

See ya.

By Carroll Rogers

July 17, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

bobby said no roster move until tomorrow, fyi….

By ACB

July 17, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

Inpartial baseball fan dude: give pieces a chance.

By BravesFanInRockies

July 17, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this

Dang, Mets up 1-0, end of 4.

Has anyone noticed how the Pads are becoming the baseball version of the Oakland Raiders, picking up the game’s (talented) malcontents and head cases? David Wells, Milton Bradley, Michael Barrett… next thing you know they’ll have Sheffield on the roster.

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this

It tastes like chicken doesn’t it?

I should know, I’ve been eating it since forever! Hahahahahaha!!!!

By Dave

July 17, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this

Oooooo, drool. Just a second rate troll like your second rate team.

Hey, you failed to mention something else, so I’ll help you out tool!

Billy Wagner = Blew the All Star game

How does that taste baby?

By Drool Boy, Forgot One

July 17, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this

Billy Wagner= giving up game losing 2 run homer!

By Dave

July 17, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this

Yes drool, you have something in hand alright. Night loser!

El dookie with a run lead making it stick? Put down the bong drool! HAHAHAHAHAHA

By Shaun

July 17, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

This was brought up because someone said the game was “watered down” now. I didn’t really mention pitching or the trade deadline.

And I would say there are just as many great pitchers now than in other eras, but we may not notice because a 4.00 ERA now may be like it was having a 3.20 ERA 15 or 20 years ago (just throwing out numbers for the sake of argument, don’t read too much into them).

Better offense doesn’t mean less pitchers and less talented pitchers. It just means pitching is tougher.

If we look at Adjusted ERA+—ERA adjusted for league and ballpark—14 of the top 50 all time are active pitchers.

15 of the top 50 single seasons according to Adjusted ERA+ were performed by active pitchers. By comparison, I count 19 of those top 50 seasons that happened in the 20-year period between 1900-1920.

If the talent pool has shrunk, as you seem certain it has, why hasn’t it affected other positions besides pitchers?

Another thing to consider is maybe we would have heard stories about a pitching shortage had there been a way to improve teams by free agency, etc. But back during the reserve clause days teams were often stuck with what they had, so just maybe they didn’t complain about a lack of pitching. Or maybe enough time as past that maybe we don’t remember periods in history where people complained about a pitching shortage.

By Mets rule. You drool

July 17, 2007 11:28 PM | Link to this

and in case you hadn’t noticed, I can’t spell.

just another example of being EXPOSED as an idiot!!!

I know El Duque is going to blow it, I just know it!

Hope mommy is still awake so she can tuck me in. I love sleeping with mommy. She likes the Mets to. But she’s really scared of the Braves, just like I am!

By Lew

July 17, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this

Shaun-Yes, you’re certainly right. Baseball has absolutely nothing whatsoever to fear from Leprosy, Scurvy or Rickets. They probably have nothing to worry about with smallpox unless the bioterrorists import it. I doubt that an epidemic of fat kids would stop anyone from developing into a world class ballplayer, either. I refuse to argue a senseless point with you anymore. Go to bed.

By The Grinch

July 17, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this

Run and hide? Run and hide from who? You? Ok, you f-ing douchetastic @$$-monkey, I’ll tell you what I really think. You’re functionally literate, but barely so. It means even when you misspell words(which you do nearly every word you print) people can still understand you, but it is or should be completely embarrasing. Why? Because you’re an adult (in theory) and you haven’t yet learned the language of the country you live in. But then, that’s no surprise given which part of the country you live in and which team you root for. You are a perfect representative example of your team’s fan base. The Mets? Your “team” was formed when the Dodgers and Giants decided to go somewhere worth living; you were the desperate attempt by the great big New Yawk Hoo-ah to give birth to a Red-headed stepchild of a team. No team resulted, so here are the Mets instead. You REALLY want me to bring up how F-ing sorry your team has been compared to mine since its inception(that’s a big word that means created)? I seriously doubt it. But if you do, say so and I’ll be more than happy to point out your team has been the Poland to our Germany for the last 30 years. You’d do better to save your reputation by shutting the ^%*& up, you barely noticable stain on a Motel 6’s sheets. Cheers!

By Ian Hunter

July 17, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this

Roses are Red, Violets are blue, I’m schizophrenic - Shut up I’m trying to talk you $#!+w!+$!!!

( from You’re Never Alone with a Schizophrenic )

By Robert

July 17, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

“Cox does a lot of things that don’t make much sense”

Um, yeah. That’s like saying that Roger Federer s pretty good at tennis, or pointing out that there were several Indians at the Little Bighorn

By Chop Chop

July 17, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

Ahhhh, believe me, Grinch. I’ve been prepared for the coming cap disaster for a long time. Besides, I’ve lived through many crappy Falcon campaigns and I’m hunkering down for yet another one. It’s just a damn shame that Vick couldn’t be “the savior” that everyone wanted him to be.

Joey Freaking Harrington is a joke, but if Petrino is truly an offensive “genius”, Petrino can get him to win ballgames, right? Yeah, I don’t believe that either. No matter what, this team is screwed now and in the near future. We just have to deal with it in whatever way we can. You know, with or without “Ookie”.

Oh, good job by Reyes tonight. Didn’t get the win, but he took us into the 7th. I’ll take that any day of the week from a rook.

By chopper

July 17, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this

As a loyal Brave fan myself-over 50 years now- and seldom blogger, I commend the loyality and positivity of many fans. It’s amazing how you continue to look for a pony in the pile of manure. But this is no playoff team regardless of the Mets. We have too many undisciplined free swingers, a leaky and cracked bullpen and a starter-likely two - short of what is needed. J.S. is still a couple of moves away from being a contender that we could really be positive about.

By A-ville Ranger

July 17, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this

The team didn’t quit tonight.Regardless of whether they make the post season this team has a great young nucleus.Or in Dubwa speak nuklus.If these guys develop a little more and management can solidify the rotation they could be a real contender for a championship….soon.

By Lew

July 17, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this

The Crash Street Kids are coming to get you. Better run.

By Robert

July 17, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this

Shaun (and the rest)

The best players today play at a higher level than at any time in the past.

The proportion of players who are the elite of the elite is about the same as it ever was. (about 5 percent)

The performance gap between the best and worst payers in the league today is wider than it was in the past, even though the performance of the average player is better than it was in the past

The wide gap between the best and the worst is why the game is watered down, even as it is being played better than ever

The best players from days past, if they played today after having grown up and developed in modern times, would stand out from their peers the same way they did back then

If you could take those guys and keep the single minded determination and add to it the modern diet and training, they’d be even better

There’s a difference between wanting to make it to the bigs because if you do you will be a multi-millionaire, and wanting to make it to the bigs because if you dont, you’ll work in the coal mines from age 16 until you die

The game s watered down

By brian

July 17, 2007 11:48 PM | Link to this

not surprisingly it looks like the pitching comes down to Smoltz. If he is as healthy as he says he is then we will be fine. We must have Smoltz as a true ace. With Smoltz number 1, Hudson is a solid number 2. The Chuck James we have seen lately is a solid #4. Buddy has been a great 5th starter and also has pitched well enough to be a 4th starter. Jo-Jo made great strides tonight and pitched well enough to get the win. If he continues making strides then he will be a fine 5th starter.

Of course if JS can work some magic and get a 3rd-5th starter without mortgaging the farm we will be in great shape. It of course would be nice to have someone like Bedard but it will not happen. If we can get Contreras for a B prospect then go for it. I think JS is waiting to see how Smoltz pitches before he makes a decision on what kind of starter he needs.

I would not give up on Davies. He will not have much trade value anyway. He is very young with great stuff. He just needs more seasoning in the minors to get his head straight. He also needs to watch tapes of Greg Maddux getting ahead of hitters and then stretching the strike zone, not starting outside hoping to get the call (and when you don’t you are in the hole). Davies will be back and a solid member of our staff - if not later this year then next year.

By drippinpecker

July 17, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this

AJC already has a Failcon room set up for all you Vick lovers, go to it!

By Robert

July 17, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this

Grinch - Whoa! Who p** in your cornflakes?

Dude, I dont like the Mets much either, but bottom line is they have as many WS titles as we have

The rest is horseshit

By ACB

July 17, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this

Robert-Dude, don’t harsh on Coxy, man. Just look at his gut - he’s pregnant. His hormones must be all over the place.

Relate and abide, dude.

By uga-dawg

July 17, 2007 11:56 PM | Link to this

anybody else here fustrated by the lack of power we are getting from our corner outfielders? the performance of diaz and harris is acceptable if there on base % remains high, but willy harris is becoming willie harris and diaz has virtually no power. francouer is the real disapoinment though not really seeing any improvement. he has become a singles hitter and is so conscious of going to right field he has lost all of his so called power. of all the braves young hitters francouers plate approach and mechanics are the worst. his ops is lower than both johnson and escobar.i just dont see him becoming a middle of the order guy. any thoughts?

By The Grinch

July 17, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this

Chop Chop, believe it or not I have faith in Petrino. I think this guy’s got the plan. Zimmer on D and Cincy’s WR coach as “OC(but really mainly here to help our 1st round WR picks get their @$$es functioning)” while Bobby actually draws up the offense and calls plays works for me. I like his philosophy, and I think it’ll work, all things being equal. unfortunately, Mikey might keep all things from being equal. And yeah, I think Petrino will do better here than Detroit did with….J-J-J…F-ing Harrrington. Oh, Gawd! Oh, Lord, what did I do to deserve this! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

JoJo should’ve took Kyle’s job tonight; if not, someone should take Bobby’s.

By P-Town Brave

July 17, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this

* Griffey and Vazquez *

By uga-dawg

July 18, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

hey DOB where does francouer rank in OPS compared to other natl league outfieders

By The Grinch

July 18, 2007 12:04 AM | Link to this

Robert, I refer you to 10:41, 10:58 and 11:15. &% that Mother&%^$#@ and his city and team.

By A.J.

July 18, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this

I’ll try not to get too heated because when I do I usually stop making sense, but I disagree with both “Impartial Fan” and “Jared.”

You can’t say the Braves don’t have the pieces to win the division, but we almost have the exact same situation as the Mets.

Good offenses, that have not performed up to par at times. Good bullpens when not overworked. Solid top of the rotation and crappy bottoms. I mean this is a team that was excited to get Jorge Sosa back from injury this week. The Mets could run away with this race, but probably won’t.

These last couple months have exposed the fact that the Mets are not the juggernaut many expected. I’m not saying they will collapse, and they are quite scary, but they are no lock. Nowhere close.

Maine and Perez couldn’t keep up that amazing pace, though they are still doing well. Glavine and Hernandez are wearing down a bit. And they don’t have much at fifth starter. Plus right now the Braves top four (once Smoltz is back) are relatively consistant.

Plus their hitting isn’t some unstoppable force. In fact it has been the hitting letting them down. Delgado, Alou, Green and LoDuca are aging and with the mysterious Beltran hitting .255 this lineup has some serious holes.

The true story on the Mets is that they could pull it all together and be as amazing as they were in April, but so could the Braves. They both have big holes as do the powerhitting lacking powers of the NL west (SD and LAD). The real deal is that some NL team will go to the World Series. And it will probably be one of these four (unless someone in the central gets crazy hot).

The Phils could also do it but don’t forget that two of the starters are probably lost until at least September and their two best relievers are still MIA. They are solid and will probably hang relatively close, but at no time in this season have they ever looked poised to make a big run.

The Braves have proved they can play with the best in the NL. 6-3 against NYM, 5-2 against SD and 4-3 against LA. It’s really just a matter of being more consistent.

The Braves are a flawed team in a flawed league, and as long as Chipper stays healthy and Andruw isn’t looking foolish the Braves offense will be there (both big ifs). Then they have just as much shot as anyone. I mean we stayed this close with Chipper missing all this time and Andruw sucking.

No two losses (especially with our number 5 and 6 starters pitching them) will convince me that the Braves are any more flawed than anyone else.

This whole league could all come down to who best fills a hole at the deadline.

By Chop Chop

July 18, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this

Grinch, I have faith in Petrino’s ability to coach an offense. I know the guy desperately wants to be successful in the pros because he has the gigantic ego to match his ambition. I just don’t know if any man could deal with that ominous cloud having over the Falcons and make something good happen. I hope to God he can, because he’s sure going to need some sort of divine intervention to pull it off.

By uga-dawg

July 18, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this

FRANCOUER NINE EXTRA BASE HITS IN TWO PLUS MONTHS. pretty lousy for a guy who play everday and plays a power position.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 18, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this

journalist jimmy smith Thought Roy’s sidekick was Pat Brady. Maybe just on the TV show. And don’t forget about Buffalo Bob, I am not sure if Clarabelle was a sidekick or an A*******clown. But Nellibell was the name of Pat’s jeep.

Michal Vick story was very well covered by one local station, not so much by others. Bigger story was Mechanicsville was named as the 54th best place to live in the US. Not sure if it’s because I moved here or in spite of it. May have ranked higher if I had stayed south of the rivah….

And I thought Jo Jo pitched a good game tonight. Sometimes your offense needs to help you out. Kept me around long enough to to hear that really annoying Pepsi commercial for the umpteenth time.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 18, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this

Oh the humanity, now the AJC has a story about a rouge monkey. Yesterday turkeys. If you ask me the whole papers is going to the dogs…… Oops, sorry Mike. :-)

By uga-dawg

July 18, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

watching the mets pads game the giles brothers have a combined 5 HRS and a .250 avg. about 4 yrs ago BRIAN giles hit 37 big flies and little bro hit 20. anyone else say steroids. ahh brotherly love.

By The Grinch

July 18, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

I don’t either, brother, but if anyone’s gonna do it I think he can. he’s got the youth of Mora, the no-nonsense old-school vibe of Parcells and the innovative offensive approach of…well, himself. I’m personally looking forward to it. I sincerely hope they give him an extended chance, all things considered; he knows what needs to be done.

Mike, MIKE, WHY??????

WTF? Joey? Yeah, I know you can make all kind of fun about him to your buddies in jail, but to leave us with him? Dawg…what did we ever do to you besides love you?

By Bob, Journalist

July 18, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this

Stepping back and just reflecting following a loss that cudda been different.

How do you keep someone … hitting .360 against right handed pitching and .340 against lefties, including his slow start … out of the starting lineup?

Is it to make sure that Scott gets his at bats?

Yes, he’s adequate as a hitter … especially against right handed pitching at night where he hitting .390 and .320 during day games. I guess it’s understandable why we primarily play him against lefties.

Actually, I don’t see why he’s not our number two, hitting behind Kelly with a solid .380 with a runner on base and overall hitting .300 with RISP.

Of course, like most, he’s better when ahead in the count hitting .360 against lefties and .530 against normal folks … .410 overall.

I guess too that it’s smart to platoon him … it obviously helps him hide some glaring offensive weakness that makes him a part timer at best … and it’s worked! He’s performed this way for two years now. It’s much better to have him on the bench … we’ve already got 2 qualified first basemen and Willie’s in Left.

There’s no question that we benefit from Willie’s speed … I like him in Left and don’t mind him in Center. His recent decline suggests that attention should be given to his predictability and possible weaknesses at the plate. Hopefully it is ‘cause though the nay sayers will cry “I told you so”, he’s shown that he can … and he came to play.

Those nay sayers are strange folks … when their favorites struggle, they play another tune “that’s just baseball, he’ll come around”.

With Yunel and Pete as utility infielders … Andruw hitting low in the order or riding the bench, and Salty backing up Brian or learning First … or perhaps returning to the Minors for additional training … methinks we could easily have a sizable lead in the division.

Salty was called up because of necessity … we should expect more from him than he currently has to give.

Our offensive problems haven’t resulted from the lack of power … we get them on but our weak links are too often bested by the opposition … strike outs, fly balls, double plays, not advancing the runner when it’s there to be had … trying to do too much just makes for greasy hair when a little dab will do.

There are those who will point to what we have done … but, what about what we cudda, wudda, shudda?

How do you keep someone hitting .360 against right handed pitching and .340 against lefties out of the starting lineup?

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 18, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this

And Grinch If your lady friend is in need of a larger portion than you are able to provide, then maybe her goods are not what the are cracked up to be. :-)

Okay folks, keep it rolling. Time for me to get some shuteye. Later….

By The Grinch

July 18, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this

Gil, believe me the first thing I’m gonna try is a shout out. If I hear an echo…

By vickie

July 18, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this

Damn, I just let one helluva mule-fart!

By WakeUp

July 18, 2007 12:50 AM | Link to this

I wonder if the “experts” on this site ever get tired of being wrong. Mets just beat the Padres, 7-0. Jake Peavy took the loss, and El Duque pitched an outstanding game for the win. And, the Braves fall another game back, to 2.5 behind the Mets. You know—all the stuff that, a few hours ago, many of you said was impossible.

By Bob, Journalist

July 18, 2007 1:11 AM | Link to this

Honorable Southern, you’re respectively besought to carefully weigh … I thought for a minute you might be describing me.

Gil, Roy had many sidekicks … Pat’s roles in the movies was more usually comic relief with Bob Nolan and the Sons of The Pioneers … with different stars including Charles Starrett (Durango Kid), Roy Rogers and others.

Grinch, the Blog’s simple minded are to be pitied, ignored, perhaps put to sleep … but, it’s as foolish as it is frustrating to otherwise engage them for they think you’re just being nice.

By brian

July 18, 2007 1:13 AM | Link to this

as bad as we have played at times and with the obvious holes in our lineup, we are ONLY 2.5 games behind the Mets.

By TennesseePaul

July 18, 2007 1:30 AM | Link to this

Payne: This was brought up because someone said the game was “watered down” now. I didn’t really mention pitching or the trade deadline

Fine. You also started talking about High School Girls at one point on this topic.
Lew responded about pitching. I responded about pitching.

By Trust Your Stuff

July 18, 2007 1:31 AM | Link to this

We are better than a mediocre team. 2nd in the Wild Card and only 3 games back of the Padres. I dont think their pitching will be able to overcome their lack of offensive production. Every team in the NL has needs. Whoever makes the best moves before the trading deadline will have a step up on all the others. Here’s hoping JS works his magic again and pulls another pitcher from Seattle or Pitt!

I know everybody wants to keep Salty and play him at 1st but hes not a first baseman. Hes a lot better than Thorman but if his value is high (and you gotta think it is as long as he keeps hitting for a switch hitting catcher with power) then make the deal. We are 1 veteran pitcher away from a contender. If Washington comes down from all the dope their smoking and takes something reasonable for Dimitri then that would make trading Salty that much easier.

By The Grinch

July 18, 2007 1:33 AM | Link to this

Brian, we are doomed to such statements ‘till we make a move.

Bob, you are as always correct (at least I think as always, or at least some of the time)…I was just provoked at the time I was feeling so awful about my Falcons, for which I feel more than I do my Braves. It is a dark day indeed, and I took some of it out on the lesser equipped. However, it was hardly misplaced. I will now watch a movie to take my mind off my team’s terrible troubles…

By Chop Chop

July 18, 2007 1:58 AM | Link to this

Well, at least I can rely on my Dawgs to give me something to look forward to…I think. Maybe the Braves will catch an ‘06 Cardinals “lightning in a bottle” run and win a World Series or something. Nah, I’ll rely on the Dawgs…

I’ll tell you one thing, denizens:

Being a fan of the Hawks, Falcons, Braves and Thrashers certainly supplies all the doses of humility a sports fan can stand.

Grinch, I never buy a jersey for any player, but I did it for Vick. I know I mentioned that earlier tonight, but damn it, it still p** me off. I honestly thought this guy would take the Falcons to the top. I thought he’d become what we all wanted him to be. I honestly thought he’d be “that dude”, but “that dude” ended up being a dud who’s killing our team worse than a Swamp Fox or Jeff George ever could. Just a sad day for a Falcon fan, no matter how hardened by years of ineptitude.

By Bob, Journalist

July 18, 2007 2:07 AM | Link to this

JoJo should’ve took Kyle’s job tonight; if not, someone should take Bobby’s … is that the Grinch?

I doesn’t sound too much like him but so assuming, … I was unable to see either game … it sounded like JoJo performed reasonably well tonight but that he was throwing too few strikes, just my reaction but I’m not a proponent of throwing too many strikes if you can so do when needed … and, even with that perspective, it still sounded like he wasn’t all that much in “control” when he missed the zone … hard to tell when Pete and Skip have their sidebar going … atypical … they really didn’t seem all that interested in the game.

It would be good if we’ve found our 5th starter, one that can offer more consistency than Kyle is currently doing. However, it’s only two games so I think the verdict is still out, based on listening, not seeing. His minor league performance was encouraging … as was the fact that this outing was significantly better than the last.

Not having seen the game … I’m curious as to how many continued to play within themselves after they were down … how many had lesser intensity, and how many tried to do to much.

By Coach ( I'm Only Right 90% Of The Time)

July 18, 2007 2:38 AM | Link to this

Davies and Redman have combined for 22 starts , 4 wins and 12 losses. Somebody in the front office has some explaining to do.

By Stuart

July 18, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this

Everyone seems to be thinking the braves need to find a fifth starter, but what they need to find is a 2nd or 3rd stater, or even an ace. Chuck is a 4 at best. Carlye is a 5, JoJo is a 5, Huddy is a iffy 2, solid 3 and Smoltz is a 1.5 (not quite a 1, never has been, but is a great 2). This team needs a stud starter, not anymore 4 or 5 starters if they want to make a run. They got plenty of backend guys, they need a front end starter and for that matter another arm in the pen while they are at it.

I wish I could sue for mental anguish. I think this team enjoys screwing with the fans’ minds. They looked so good right before the break and then right after, but losing these two to a rookie and a guy who was 3-10 with almost a 5 ERA is redicilous. I’m sorry, I love Bobby, but this happens entirely too much and has for many years. The last two nights efforts have been awful and some of it has to fall at his feet.

The pattern with this team is holding true, get a couple of lucky turns out of back of the rotation and then screw up all the good work when the back end comes back to earth and sucks then that screws the bullpen all over again. This team seems like it goes two steps foward and then two steps back. It is maddening. The team cannot hold any momentum because of the rotation. The old adage of your momentum is as good as the next days SP is holing really true this year. I am sick of all these backend guys yo-yoing with my emotions. Please JS either sellout this year and get prospects or go overpay for a front end SP, but whatever you do dont stand pat. I truely cannot take it anymore.

BTW, I think the bloom is off the Willie Harris rose. .152 for July with a .222 OBP. As much as I like KJ in RBI spots, maybe it is time to put him back in the leadoff spot and move Willie back to the 8 hole against righties. To be honest, I think Escobar is getting too much love. He is great, but KJ is hitting almost the same average with much more power.

In closing, and this has been theraputic, as good as the offense has been, when is the last time the bats picked up a SP. While the braves have won alot of 8-6 type games, it is only because they jump out ahead and then hang on. They have not won many games where they have fallen behind 3 or 4 early and picked up the SP that night.

This team just doesnt have enough of anything. They dont have enough of a bullpen to get away with the lax starters. They dont have enough hitting to slug their way to a bunch of wins, and they certainly dont have dominat starters to overcome the average defense they play. This team is maddenly average and incosistent.

By The Grinch

July 18, 2007 3:26 AM | Link to this

Bob, JoJo gave up two in 6 and 1/3 before Oscar coughed up the inherited runners. He looked hard, he looked confident, and he looked like he knew what the heck he was doing. He didn’t quite look that way last time, but close, and better. This time, he looked like he’d learned from his mistakes and learned some more as he was going. He was in A ball last year (A ball player of the year) and at 22 he came up and did what nobody expected him to, which was do Kyle Davies job which had been left undone like Paris Hilton’s bra strap. The boy has stones, which Kyle dosen’t, and a fair amount of stuff to go with it. Should he be our #5? No, Kyle should. But since Kyle seems like he’d rather play with his little sister’s Barbie dolls, JoJo will do quite nicely, thank you. Welcome, JoJo; here’s hoping we get you some help so you can go back to perfecting your craft in the minors and become a #3 someday. ‘till then, we’d be happy to have you do Kyle’s job for a couple of starts in the meantime. So sayeth The Grinch.

By Serbok

July 18, 2007 3:39 AM | Link to this

Mornin’ all I’m curious~ I live in fort myers fla. I was born in atl. thus the reason I’m a bravo’s fan. Is Vick really popular in ATL? He is obviously tremendously talented! I’m a Bucs fan from day 1, and as you guys well know, we have always had his “number” :o) I personally think he is an idiot. He’s in a whole lot of trouble, Really screws the falcons! {note to Grinch: Joey Harrington!!) Sorry bro~ couldnt resist! LOL

Ajc writes as tho he is wildly popular~ I kinda doubt that~ any input back would be appreciated~ Thanx

By Train Wreck Bystander

July 18, 2007 4:10 AM | Link to this

Well, Davies was never really supposed to be at this level this year. He left spring training at AAA level and that’s frankly where he should be right now.

I doubt Reyes is ready either, however. I know he looks better than Davies… but we’ve seen an awful lot of Davies and not a lot of Reyes. I just think we may be throwing Reyes in the fire too soon.

I’d feel a lot better if there were salvation in the trade market.

By Jeff R

July 18, 2007 7:14 AM | Link to this

Train Wreck Bystander is right. Davies was rushed up to the majors to plug a hole. Players develop at different rates; pitchers typically take longer to develop than others.

Reyes, like a lot of other young pitchers, might look god for a while, but hitters will figure then out. Good pitchers, like good hitters, learn to compensate. That’s harder for young pitchers to do who aren’t ready for the majors.

And let’s not forget how Joey Devine was screwed up when management pushed him too fast into a big league closer role.

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 7:31 AM | Link to this

Let’s hope Mad Dog pitches better tonight than he has in his last two starts! The Braves are going to win today…Smoltz is going to let up 1 run in 6 innings.

Despite his 0-4, I hope Salty is in the starting lineup again. If he is, I think he will get 2 hits with a HR.

I also think the Braves will make a move sooner rather than later. I think they will add at least a bench player and an above average quality starter.

Regards,

Jason

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 7:38 AM | Link to this

Folks, I don’t think there is going to be a platoon in LF next year…and I don’t think it will be Escobar out there. I think B.Jones is about ready to lay claim to the position. He is now hitting .294 15 HR 74 RBI 12 SB and a respectable .879 OPS.

Regards,

Jason

By Yars

July 18, 2007 7:48 AM | Link to this

First off, send Kyle Davies to Richmond for the rest of the season. If he struggles there, send him home. Let’s not trade him just yet. He’s still very young & his problems are fixable. It’s time to give up on Thorman. Put Salty at 1B for the next 10 games & see what type numbers he puts up. If he struggles, trading for a 1B is a must. Trading for a quality starting pitcher is more important, I think. Jo Jo Reyes has showed promise, but he seems like he should still be in Richmond. With the rotation the Braves have right now, there is no way this team will make the playoffs. If all Schuerholz does is upgrade the bench, that’s not enough. What p** me off the most is this 2B platoon. Both Kelly Johnson & Yunel should be playing everyday. It’s not fair to either one. Right after Renteria & Chipper, KJ is the most consistent hitter on the team. Him only playing 3 or 4 games per week is a freaking joke. Schuerholz needs to trade Yunel so both he & KJ can be playing everyday. If Yunel is not traded, it means Renteria will be over the winter, & Yunel will be the teams everyday SS in ‘08, with KJ either at 2B or in LF.

By Lee

July 18, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Being down 0-2 to the last place team in the Central Division does not exactly inspire one’s hopes for a playoff birth. If there is one good thing about the Mets win, it was at least against another team fighting the Braves for the Wild card spot.

Jo-Jo looks promising but I am not convinced he is ready to start for a team in playoff contention. Next year appears to be more of a certainly. It is oblivious some sort of trade will be made by month’s end. J.S. will do something to try to improve the team since it is right in the think of things. I am to the point whether until I don’t even worry about who is traded anymore. This team really needs another big bat and a proven starter to have a chance in the playoffs (providing they make it). I say go for it this year and if a impact trade can be made - do it ASAP. After last year you realize you cannot take it for granted this team will always be in the playoff hunt every year. The 90’s spoiled a lot of Braves fans.

The Braves certainly seem to have trouble with these players and their VISA problems. Hope Wil Ledezma is not pulling a Willie Aybar here.

Finally, even though this is not the Falcons blog, this Vick indictment is very bad news for the Falcons. Many news/sports reporters were calling for his head this morning.

By s t i n k y

July 18, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

bobby cox was once renowned for his patience and loyalty. and then came kyle. (or then went the prime of 3 hall of fame pitchers.)

By Steeledawg

July 18, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Serbok- Regarding your 3:39 post about Vick. When the deal was made w/ San Diego to aquire the rights to draft Vick he was thought of as the savior of the franchise, and he immediately made an impact. We finally had an exciting and unique player. Blank bought the team, lowered ticket prices, and the GA. Dome was sold out and home games were televised locally for the first time in years.

We made the playoffs his first year as a starter and eventually reached the NFC Championship game. Since then a series of incidents have eroded his popularity. Now it appears his supporters are split along racial lines. The whole thing is really sad because he is an undeniable talent, and with Petrino I felt that we would finally be able to maximize his talet.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 18, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

bobj I didn’t have my little conversation with you last night because I didn’t think it fair to the blog. But, now… It was you who “drew” from me a lot of personal info. AAMOF, I have probably given out more personal info on here than anyone I know. You didn’t even comment but “others” used it as weapons of @$$ destruction and literally broke it off in me. Well, you can be assured that any further “queries” by you will be met with an emphatic NO COMMENT. In the meantime, why don’t you give us some personal knowledge about the Bard of Brentwood, other than where you have your cadillac serviced? Somehow when I visualize you I see Bert Lahr, or Bert in his most famous role.

As for your viscous and insulting attack (and everyone on here—at the time—knew who you were talking/lecturing to)on me yesterday: I don’t allow people to talk down to me. Particularly people who I consider to be “shorter” than I am. And, what was it that brought about the attack? A joke! (You ought to try one before you wither, further). Were you insulted because you were lumped in the “et al” portion? BTW, my Daddy use to say that it was a small man that couldn’t take a joke at his own expense. Another time when Daddy was right on.

As to my “decorum” on this blog: Quote me a time that I have been “dirtier” than the average poster on here. You can’t! The fact is: You don’t like me(and I am positively crushed by that bit of info)! Meanwhile, your “favorites”, such as “Most Honorable, etc.” can say things like @$$clowns with impunity. Double standard? I think so.

Finally, you sir, seem to have a high opinion of yourself. While that opinion may be warranted, I don’t share it. I have no desire to be your “friend”, so let’s just leave each other alone—shall we?

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 18, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Brave fans keep saying how the braves are going to win the division. Well let me clue you in on how it works. Good teams play the better teams tough and consistently beat the teams their supposed to. If you can’t beat the Reds and Nationals of the world how the hell are you going to beat out the Mets for the division……WAKE UP!!

By Shaun

July 18, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

Lew,

Yes, it is senseless. The US population has increased, the world population has increased, medicine has made advances in many areas, there haven’t been too many great wars or world wars to interrupt the careers of major leaguers or would-be major leaguers, baseball is not dominated by US-born whites any longer, and you and some others still want to argue the talent pool has shrunk.

There has to be someone here who sees it my way and can back me up on this.

Robert,

Does an increase in player salaries make the game watered down or make it better? You could argue players have more incentive than ever to better themselves.

Yes, there probably is a difference between wanting to play baseball to keep you out of a horrible and unsafe job and wanting to play so that you can be rich, but I’m not so sure it affects the quality of play.

The odds are so stacked against anyone who would want to play pro baseball that I think 99.9 percent of the guys seriously striving for it and who seriously think they have a shot work just as hard as they ever have.

TennesseePaul,

Obviously only males play in the majors and not every male who wants to can, but it’s always been that way. I still think it’s illogical to believe there are less males who can and want to play major league baseball in the world today. And there are more people being considered because of less and less racial prejudice (in spite of what Jesse Jackson or Gary Sheffield would have you believe).

And regarding that 134 percent increase, I’m guessing there has been at least close to 134 percent increase in the talent pool; maybe not initially right after expansion (of both teams and pitching staffs) but I’m sure it has increased at that rate.

You say the US population has only 70 percent while the required number of pitchers has increased by 134 percent, but we aren’t just talking about the US population. We are talking about the talent pool for possible major leaguers.

Again, the game was once dominated by US-born whites. Now US-born whites, blacks, latinos, etc. are included in the talent pool plus internationally-born white, black, asian, latino, etc. males.

If you are arguing that teams are looking for pitching, I agree. But my guess it that has always been the case, relative to hitting, because baseball has always required more pitching than hitting (except for maybe in the very early days of the game in the 1800’s).

My guess is there have always been a few teams who felt they had enough pitching and the majority of the teams in the history of the game have always wanted more pitching. My guess is that because of an increase in offense we think that the desire for most teams to have more pitching has increased over time when it really hasn’t (other than maybe it is more dramatic a few years right after expansion).

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

NO CHOP ZONE,

Didn’t the Mets get swept by the Rockies and split with the Astros?

By ACB

July 18, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Rrrowwwr, went the old dudes. Exhausted, they fell asleep.

By Renegator

July 18, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Win 3 - lose 3; win 4 - lose 4; win 5 - lose 5. This is getting tired.

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Can’t get swept by the Reds. I can’t say that enough today before the 1:00PM game. You just can’t lose to this team 3 games in a row. This was a stretch where the Braves should of gone 7-3. They need to win today’s game because it is really difficult to sweep a team in a 4 game series.

I know the Braves threw their 5th and 6th starters out in these two games, but you have to figure out a way to win one of those with the bats.

We need to hit Harang today, who is very tough. Need to get to the guy in the early innings. Smoltz will most likely throw 6 innings. Can’t see him throwing more than that.

By the way, Dmitri Young anyone??? Have him play first and give Salty at bats as McCann’ s backup and Young’s backup. We’ll get him enouygh at bats. Maybe Young for Thorman and James Parr???

NEED TO WIN TODAY’S GAME

By Salty

July 18, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

TrainWreckByStander Your comment: “I’d feel a lot better if there were salvation in the trade market.” resonates with fans from a number of teams, I’d imagine. Especially for pitchers.

By Renegator

July 18, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

NO CHOP:

Agreed - this is NOT a playoff team. If you can’t beat the basement dwellers of the NL Central - you aren’t going anywhere. This team does not have enough pitching (starters or relievers) to make it to the playoffs.

By Chase

July 18, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

CALM DOWN EVERYONE

Before the last two nights the Braves were 7 and 1 in there last 8 GAMES!

and everyone was talking about how great the Braves are and now…..

They are 7-3 in their last 10 (12-5 in their last 17) and everyone is lining up to complain about the team and how they are EXPOSED

Give me a break!!!!!!!

They are behind by 2 1/2 with 70 to GO!

That’s Nothing!! Especially when we get to play the Muts 9 MORE Times

Just relax everyone, the Bravos will add another pitcher here soon and they’ll be in the Divison lead by the next raod trip…Mark it Down!

By Salty

July 18, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

The Cards weren’t a playoff team at this time last year, either.

Sheesh, if the team were undefeated, fans would be clamoring for a loss to get it ‘out of the way’. Up to that point, they’d be griping about the ‘winning margin’, not scoring enough, men left on base…ad nauseum.

Hanging onto each and every game in a baseball season is akin to being glued to CNBC and the markets every day…you miss the big picture and make irrational decisions.

There…I feel better! Whew!

BTW, Grinch…brutally honest 3:26 post!

By Will

July 18, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

I agree with anyone wondering how the Braves expect to make the playoffs losing against bad teams. 3-2 so far after the break at home against two of the worst teams in the majors will not cut it. We can laugh at the Mets all we want for losing to the Rockies, but it does not matter when they are the ones in first place. This team will continue to have its ups and downs, ultimately falling short of the playoffs because they are not all that great of a baseball team. This is not pessimism because of the last two losses, i was getting a kick out of sweeping the Pirates and some people thinking everything was back on track. The Pirates are patheitc. Oh well, will keep rooting for the Braves night after night, but it is just much less stressful to watch games when i can be honest with myself.

By Overlord

July 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Davis needs to go down to AAA and JoJo should pitch in 5 days again. This will restore order in the univers since we will get a more stable rotation. Im sure today the ship will start moving in the right direction and it will remain that way as long as Davis does not gives us more automatic loses (only way to do that is to take him down, not shiping him just yet). Everybody in the team is playing fine, very good baseball:

Willie……. not as good as he started but there always is matt

Edgar…… wonderful

Chipper…….. MVP

Andrew….. still bad but much much better

Brian…….. So so

Francour……. doing fine

Salty….. still at .300

Thorman…….. weak

KJ…… solid very solid, as someone said last night….. very professional

Carlyle………..solid………..solid

James…….. better than before.

tim and john……… just fine

So as far as i can see our only real problems are Davis, thorman and woodward not to mention wickman.

I really think there will be a move with at least 2 of those 4 players, in wickmans case just trading places with soriano.

and we really need a LHP in the bp.

Why not trying sending* woodward* down and bringing prado up again. Trade Thorman for a LH reliever. He looks like ryan klesko, i dont think he will get much better, cant have 2 high KKKKK hitters in the lineup and since AJ is not going anywhere, Thorman must go .

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

For once, ACB, you are right. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

By Fat Lady

July 18, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Make Mr. Cox mad and your gone. It was just a short time back everyone was telling how great Davies was. How quick it turns around. The Braves always play bad when they play bad teams, WHY?

By Shaun

July 18, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Renegator,

This team can make the playoffs. Maybe not win the division or win 90-plus games but they can make the playoffs.

And I don’t think a big trade is out of the question. Even though there doesn’t seem to be any impact pitchers available, there may be some impact bats. You don’t necessarily have to pitch better than the other team, you just have to score more/allow fewer runs than they do.

If they can add a big-time hitter that can push them into the top 2-3 offenses and the pitching can stay around average—as it has so far—they have a decent shot at the playoffs.

By Lee

July 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Efrin -

I think Young would be a good fit on this team. Especially if we could include Thorman in the deal somehow and get rid of him.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Salty I think Grinch MORE than did his job last night and now he sleeps the sleep of the righteous. Sleep well, El Grincho, sleep well.

By Overlord

July 18, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

You r very right Chase….. I dont think braves are anywhere near to panic, they know John is almost back, they feel much better about their 3rd and 4th spots in the rotation. They feel that chipper is their MVP. So order is coming back to MLB. Thorman is almost a bench player. Davis is almost back to richmond. JoJo could be our 5th starter, and it wouldnt surprise me to see him at the 4th spot before season ends (just a though).

Cant the braves send Davis to the same psyquiatrist that they sent smoltz to? just wondering. That kid has a look in his face like if every batter he faces was albert pujols or babe ruth. His selfsteem is down the drain, he needs help TODAY.

By journalist jimmy smith

July 18, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

the mood of the blog is heavy. time to lighten things up a bit:

a man and his wife are awakened at 3 o’clock in the morning by a loud pounding on the door.

the man gets up and goes to the door where a drunken stranger, standing in the pouring rain, is asking for a push.

“not a chance,” says the husband, “it is three o’clock in the morning.”

he slams the door and returns to bed.

“who was that?” asked his wife.

“just some drunk guy asking for a push,” he answers.

“did you help him?” she asks.

“no. i did not. It’s three o’clock in the morning and it is pouring rain outside!”

his wife said, “can’t you remember about three months ago when we broke down and those two guys helped us? i think you should help him, and you should be ashamed of yourself!”

the man does as he is told (of course!), gets dressed and goes out into the pouring rain.

he calls out into the dark, “hello! are you still there?”

“yes,” comes back the answer.

“do you still need a push?” calls out the husband.

“uh, yes! please!” comes the reply from the darkness.

“where are you?” asks the husband.

“over here on the swing!!” replies the drunk.

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 18, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

Yes, Efrim We got pounded by the Rockies in Colorado. But look at their record at home (26-19). The Astros have a winning record at home as well. The Reds came to Atlanta with a 17-29 road record. This is exaclty why the braves don’t scare me at all. They get up for the good teams but are a big let down against everyone else.

By Salty

July 18, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Especially if we could include Thorman in the deal somehow and get rid of him.

Lee Just using your comment for example purposes. Trades like that may happen in the off-season, but during the season, the “one man’s trash is another one’s treasure” won’t play…unless it’s just swapping garbage for the ‘change of scenery’.

By Renegator

July 18, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Shaun:

I agree with you that this team can make the playoffs - but I think it will take a trade for another pitcher in order for that to happen. What I meant to say was this team (as it stands now) cannot make the playoffs.

By Overlord

July 18, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

I forgot to mention matt this guy is just to special and important for this team…….rock solid…….stud. Lee if u r talking about michael young ill be sad to tell you that that wont happen, braves clearly are not willing to pay much money for aditions to the team, which would be the case if they get young* here. I think **Prado would be a good option to try again since there would be less pressure on the kid as he could not be worse than woodward and Thorman and he knows he cant be better than escobar nor salty, so he could be more relax.

Does anyone knows why is Devine still down??? isnt he nowhere near ready for the bigs?

By Shaun

July 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Renegator,

Thanks. Now if I can only get people to agree with the seemingly obvious point that the talent pool in baseball is larger than ever before, even when you take into account expansion.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 18, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

NCZ

They get up for the good teams but are a big let down against everyone else

Then, how will we possibly get up for the Muts?

By Renegator

July 18, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

NCZ:

Very true. The Braves “get up” for the big games and win. It’s the easy games that they should win that they stink up the joint.

By Chase

July 18, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

NO CHOP ZONE

Look who we have had to throw out there to pitch the last two nights.

The REDS caught us at the perfect point in our rotation to win the first two.

Until now they have managed to miss Huddy, James, Smoltz, and Buddy

And now with Smoltz back we will not have to toss those two guys in consecutive games again

Remember: The Braves are 6-3 against the Mets, 5-1 against the Padres, 4-3 against the Dodgers, 2-1 against the Brewers, 6-4 against the Phillies, and 5-4 against the Cubs

That is 28-16 against the So called Elite teams of the NL

And when the Braves win 4 out of their next 5 at home and the Mets go 2 and 3 in their next 5 the Braves will be right there with them in First

By Will

July 18, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

No Chop Zone, Man i hate the Mets and am a lifelong Braves fan, but i cannot disagree with alot of what you say. The Braves are not a playoff baseball team and it is plain as day to see that. So the Reds got the Braves 4 and 5 guys. Is Hudson who is hit or miss any better, or how about John “my shoulder is about to fall off” Smoltz. Do people seriously think Smoltzie is gonna contribute immensely the rest of the season?? I am not knocking him at all, he is a battler and i love John Smoltz, I do not remotely believe that his shoulder problems are all cleared up, no way!

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 18, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Paladin…..all I have to say is 2.5 games back. I’ll be at the Mets Vs braves on August 7th. Maybe you can come around and discuss some baseball face to face.

By Lee

July 18, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Overlord It was directed for Dmitri Young. You are probably right Salty about Thorman or it would at least have to include another solid player along with Thorman to trade him. Thorman is slowly but surely placing himself in the same situation as Langerhans did earlier in the season. The only difference being he is not exactly a defensive specialist like Langerhans.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

July 18, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Overlord Devine is already playing in Atlanta.

By Chase

July 18, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

To ALL BRAVES NAYSAYERS

If you take out interleague play

the Braves are 46-33…13 games over .500 against the whole NL, which they will play the rest of the season

By the way w/o I-L play the Muts are 44-35

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 18, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

NCZ Is that a callout?

By Stephen

July 18, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Overlord Does anyone knows why is Devine still down??? isnt he nowhere near ready for the bigs?

Devine is with the big club right now. He pitched on Monday night, and actually wasn’t too terrible. Here is his line from Monday: Joey Devine 1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 SO, 0 HR, 3.00 ERA His ERA entering the game was zero. Still not sure he has recovered from being called up too fast, but he wasn’t horrible by any means.

By Chase

July 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

MOST of you PEOPLE are TOO UP and DOWN and too KNEE-JERK on this team depending on what happens the GAME before your post !!!!!!!!!

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

No Chop Zone

Would you agree that the Braves sent out their 5th and 6th starters out there and lost?

Kyle Davies and Jo Jo Reyes will not have rotation spots after July 31st. The Braves will acquire a starter would is a bette4r option for the next 2 months.

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 18, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Paladin……What is a “Callout”? I was letting you know I’ll be at the game. I am curious why you’re constantly in F-You mode. Are you in that mode when dealing with people face to face as well. Anyway, I didn’t know if any bloggers would be at the 3 game series at Shea but I’ll be there Aug 7th…….GO METS!!!

By Will

July 18, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

I am not up and down, or knee jerk with this team. I have been steadfastly saying that the Braves are not a playoff team. I was laughing after the sweep over the weekend because it was the PIRATES!!! all the sudden the Braves are back on track cause they sweep the Pirates at home. I have been watching the Braves my whole life, the great playoff teams and the good playoff teams and this team is neither. They do not have the starting pitching, bullpen or CONSISTENT hitting to make the playoffs. I am not even trying to irritate people cause i am still rooting for the Braves every night, but i just do not see it in this team.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Just curious, NCZ, just curious. And were my comments(now, while you are in this persona)more “hurtful” than these others that have followed?

Do I smell a “stinky” odor?

By Overlord

July 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

thank you all about the devine aclaration, i didnt know he was around, it gets confusing as he has been up and down like 100 times, at least it has felt like that. lee Dmitri could be a good add to the team, sorry about the distraction. will I dont think johns problem is gone, it could be, but i wouldnt bet on it. Look at chipper, it looks like his hands issues are behind him, this inflamation things get treated with lots of AINES and USG therapy and players could respond positively. Maybe it was not that bad, lets hope so. If i was to tell something, i would say it was very badly swelled since they performed an MRI on smoltz, a study not to be made if the problem is mild. It was made because there was too much pain i have to suspect.

By TennesseePaul

July 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Payne: You are absolutely, unequivocally correct. US Census data of the entire country, all races, sexes, and ethnicities, shows a 70% growth after desegregation compared to 134% growth in pitching needs. You are absolutely positively correct. Medical Science breakthroughs have created super humans capable of simply leaping to the moon, no need for those rockets anymore. You are absolutely 100% on the mark, the rest of the world isn’t playing soccer, they’re all lining up to play major league baseball.
But I’m still not sure why you brought up the High School Girls. However, you’re probably undeniably correct on that point as well.

By Chase

July 18, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

WILL

You said:

“I was laughing when people thought the Braves were on track because they swept the Pirates”

They were not on track because they swept the Pirates you moran!

They are on track b/c THEY HAVE WON 12 out of their last 17 games!

That is ON TRACK my friend!

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Chase

We just lost to the Reds man. Two games in a row after sweeping the Pirates. That is a momentum killer. Things don’t look to great either when you have Aaron Harang staring you down looking for a sweep. I understand the matchups were tough the first two games and today, but you have to win some games with the bats.

During this stretch when the Mets are facing the Padres and Dodgers, you would at least want to win 5 of 7 against the Reds and Cards, while they go 4-3 or 3-4. At least gain some ground. The time is now.

Monday morning, I want every New York radio station getting calls from Mets fans worrying that it is all over. It would happen if the Braves were in 1st.

It won’t happen if we get swept by the Reds.

By Steve from OH

July 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Chase:

Nice stat. If that keeps up we’re in great shape for the rest of the season.

Go Braves!

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Efrim….The lack of pitching at back end of the rotation gets paid to win games too. It would be nice if you front end guys could pitch every day but that’s not reality. The Back end of the Mets rotation is better than the braves and that’s way they will win the division. IF Pedro comes back and contributes the front end of Pedro, Glavine and Maine will be very good. Perez and Sosa may be the best 4-5 pitchers in baseball if that happens.

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

From MLBTraderumors.com:

“Mark Teixeira is back and hitting well, and interest is picking up according to Sullivan. He names the Red Sox, Angels, Braves, and Yankees as the top suitors, with the Dodgers and Giants on the fringes. There is a growing sentiment that teams are now overvaluing their prospects and ignoring the high attrition rate (especially for pitchers). Ken Rosenthal feels this way, and notes that the Braves are exceptional in that they are not afraid to trade youngsters. Evan Grant agrees, and doesn’t understand why the Mariners aren’t in on Tex.”

There is also an article that states that Greinke of the Royals is available and that the Cubs are interested. I know he has had some issues in the past, but a kid at 23 that can hit 100 on the radar may need a change of scenery. How about a Davies & a fringe prospect for Greinke?

Regards,

Jason

By Will

July 18, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

I think Smoltz will battle through his problems and go to battle for the Braves. The problem is a) can he smartly go more then 6 innings in a game (leaving three innings to the pen is a dicey proposition) b)even if the braves did make the playoffs do we come back to the same problem as 05 when Smoltz was not even gonna be able to pitch the NLCS if the braves made it and he barely could pitch the NLDS. Love the guy, but i just flat out do not buy that he is healthy. Also, why do some posters act like the Braves are the only team that has to pitch 4th and 5th starters? Great teams, playoff teams, get wins out of those guys, not excuses when the team loses.

By Overlord

July 18, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

will, this team HAS everything to go to the playoffs and to be as good as previous teams, it has a lot of talent, and i mean a lot. Pieces need to fall in their place, 1-3 spots are doing GREAT. AJ is bad, but doing better, RBI and HR are starting to come and they will continue to come since player in front of AJ are always on base. As days go by and AJ get better, guys behind of him willfeel less pressure and perform better, you will see, be patient, that was what got us on winning streak. Pitching is getting better and kyle will be replaced by JO-JO. BP is gonna get less work and we will advance to the playoff. JS will make at least 1 good move. Take it easy pal.

By Will

July 18, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Chase, Thanks for calling me a moran (moron is the correct spelling) I am just trying to have a reasonable conversation about the fact that hey maybe the Braves arent a playoff team. You know that is possible. What are they on track for, seriously??? What happens the next 10 game road trip? It is July, the Braves got real hot for a minute in July last year after the break and then fell flat on their faces. I hope the Braves win the damn world series!! I just do not see it.

By az_braves_fan

July 18, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

BTW - To all Andruw haters. I believe he now leads the team in RBI.

By NO CHOP ZONE

July 18, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Paladin, Nothing that is written on this blog is “Hurtful” to me. But it wouldn’t kill you if some of your post directed at me didn’t constantly contain a derogatory comment with it. We’re talking baseball. But if it makes you feel better carry on.

By Lew

July 18, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Shaun-One last attempt (futile though I know it to be) to show you how you’re wrong (though you’ll never quit the arguement). The fact that population has risen in the past 40 years is somewhat moot, here. Other sports besides baseball have grown at rates far surpassing population growth. There are more NFL teams, there are more NHL teams, there are more NBA teams. There has been a NASCAR explosion. There is Arena Football. There is now an American Soccer league. There are extreme sports. There are the extreme winter sports. There is Motocross. All of this is new and many athletes who may have opted for baseball 40 years ago, are now opting for participation in sports that didn’t even exist 40 years ago. You can argue until everyone here is blue in the face (I doubt you get that way yourself-you provoke the condition in others), but the fact remains that there is a lack of quality pitching. Choose whatever reason you want and argue that point until you (and probably all of us-TenPaul and Myself, certainly) expire from exhaustion, but that is the remaining fact. Something caused it-in all likelihood a combination of all that has been discussed and rejected by you. Enough. I refuse to argue the case any longer. It won’t change the fact that pitching is scarce and expensive and everyone wants more. Amen and Selah.

By Will

July 18, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Overlord, I understand what you are saying, i sure hope they make the playoffs and beyond, but above all else i just do not see how this starting pitching is going to get the job done. Smoltz, Hudson and James are sure not Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz. This 2007 team does not compare to any Braves team that made the playoffs other then maybe the last couple playoff teams. The 90’s Braves were dominant(regular season), they knew it, everybody knew it.

By TennesseePaul

July 18, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Chase: I’d agree that they are on track for sweeping the Pirates. Would they have been on track by getting swept by the Pirates? If they are going to win it, they have to beat these teams. The last two nights were pretty brutal, but we did toss a head case and a rookie at the opponent. The Rookie almost had them. The Head Case… Maybe Davies only pitches up to the competition. He needs it to be the Mets so he can dominate.

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

No Chop Zone

Davies and Reyes won’t be in the rotation in two weeks. Their replacement will be better. They are our 5th and 6th starters.

By geauxbraves2000

July 18, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

journalist jimmy smith :)

Geaux Braves!!

By BossLady

July 18, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

The Braves although are not the team they once were still is a good contending organization. If you look around the MLB you will see some teams that have not reached .500 this year. Also, look at the cities that never have winning seasons. The fans and the critics don’t seem to want to give credit to the efforts of the Braves. Back in the days when all the Braves did was lose their fans attended the games cheering the effort. Until there is some serious money spent in this club we can celebrate the good position we are in 2.5 out or 1.5 out.It is a lot better that being 8-15 games out with no hope of anything. Andruw and Kelly offered some excitement in the game although we came up short at the end. Right now we should be glad we are in the east because the west is oh so successful. We all want perfection and leading numbers that’s just human, I’m just glad we are not the worst and in the basement.

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Buster Olney had this to say:

Heard an interesting rumor — and that’s may be all it is, a rumor — that makes sense, to a certain degree: The Braves are interested in Cincinnati right-hander Bronson Arroyo. But I cannot imagine the Reds making that deal without getting Jarrod Saltalamacchia in return; so far, Cincinnati GM Wayne Krivsky has been asking for big-time return in his trade proposals. Arroyo had one of his best games of the season, by the way, and it may be that Saltalamacchia is about to become an everyday player.

Not a chance. If JS does that, I would be pretty upset. Arroyo is solid, but not worth Salty. Not at all. Escobar maybe, but not Salty.

By Will

July 18, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Tenn. Paul,

I agree, that is more along the lines of what i meant to say earlier, not that i laughing AT people for being happy they swept the Pirates, but they have to win those games, period. That is one of the main ingredients on how you make the playoffs by beating the hell out of bad teams , you can not let up on bad teams from game 1 to game 162.

By Shaun

July 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

I keep addressing the same issues you bring up and you go back to your original points.

US Census data of the entire country, all races, sexes, and ethnicities, shows a 70% growth after desegregation compared to 134% growth in pitching needs.

US census data doesn’t take into account the international population or the health of the population (more on health, below). And there are more players who were born outside the US now than ever before. And what about the blacks born both inside and outside the US who would have been kept out before 1947?

You are absolutely positively correct. Medical Science breakthroughs have created super humans capable of simply leaping to the moon, no need for those rockets anymore.

The point isn’t medical science has created super-humans. The point is medical science has created more healthy human beings. Medical science has probably enabled people who wouldn’t have been able to walk to walk. Medical science has stopped a lot of infections that may have costs people a limb in the past. I’m sure there are some other things that I’m not thinking of. All this probably has some affect on the talent pool. I’ve never brought up super-humans, so where did that come from?

You are absolutely 100% on the mark, the rest of the world isn’t playing soccer, they’re all lining up to play major league baseball.

Soccer is the most popular sport in the world, but the baseball talent pool has still increased; those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. How is soccer’s popularity contradictory to the fact that blacks (both from the US and outside) are now allowed to play in the majors or that teams are bringing in more and more latin and asian players? The games was once dominated by white Americans and now it is not. People from other countries never had to “line up to play major league baseball” to increase the talent pool. Baseball just had to do more to let in the talent that was out there and they have done more.

But I’m still not sure why you brought up the High School Girls.

I brought up the fact that a girls high school swim team could easily break swimming world records of 100 years ago and it’s pretty much like that in all sports across the board. I brought it up to illustrate the point that human beings are faster, quicker, stronger, bigger than they were in the past. This may or may not have anything to do with the talent pool, I realize that.

To add to the madness, how about the fact that scouts are now more likely than ever to find a player in a small town in Kansas or in the Domincan or wherever than ever before?

Also, what about the fact that there hasn’t been a major world war interrupting the careers of major leaguers and would-be major leaguers? Yes, there have been wars and yes they probably affected the careers of some would-be major leaguers but nothing like the world wars. In fact, I was reading this morning, in one of the Bill James Abstracts, about a young man who absolutely dominated a minor league but went off to WWII in his mid 20’s then got injured his first year back. By the time he was healthy and dominating again, he was too old and no major league team paid attention to him.

Also, what about the fact that the people who run baseball teams know more than ever what actually matters to fielding a winning team? Knowledge of the game has increased. Certain things that help a team win are more appreciated now than ever before. Teams hire people to evaluate things like what type of players are most likely to stay healthy or reach the majors more than ever before.

The talent pool has no doubt increased and also there is more of a chance now than ever before that a good baseball player is going to reach the big leagues.

I’m sure 100 years ago, maybe even 80 or 50 years ago, there were a few guys who could have played but where never discovered because maybe there were less developmental type leagues or little leagues or even high school teams, traveling was tougher, all kinds of stuff.

By TheSouthernJackAss

July 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Baseball’s talent pool may now be larger than ever…but the waters sure have been muddied…

When I was a child, in kindergarten I do believe, I would often write a treatise on this or that subject, whatever theme that may have happened to prod my interest at the time…ultimately, I developed the very bad habit of bolding nearly every other word contained within my juvenile pennings…alas, one day my extremely, grammatically proficient instructor conveyed to me the fact that this ill-conceived, expressive style of attempting to overemphasize the weightiness of my verbiage was rather having a diametrically opposite effect to that of the one with which I had originally desired…she then proceeded to apply several refreshing raps with her oaken ruler to the tops of the knuckles of my exposed digits…just as a reminder to no longer hold on to that inefficacious habit…

Then she left me with this little adage…”Matters not the size of your pool—if the waters are muddied”…

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

One more tidbit for those interested. This is from Joel Sherman of the NY Post:

“Julio Franco, whom the Mets designated for assignment last week, is strongly leaning toward signing with the Braves, telling people that’s where he’s likely headed. Franco played in Atlanta from 2001-05.”

Not sure how reputable it is, but I thought I would post it anyway. Now, I like Julio. But, if we are going to be serious WS contenders; he isn’t going to do much to get us there!

Regards,

Jason

By Lucas...

July 18, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

For some reason when Mr. Davies stepped on the mound I had a feeling that this was not going to be a good series. I get the feeling that the losses aren’t the rally killer. They did almost come back last night so that can’t hurt. The rally killer is Kyle Davies. Does it seem to anyone else that the other players as well as cox, obviously, have ZERO faith in Davies. If he gets sent down, traded, given the just in case alternate starter role the team will start playing with more confidence. I don’t blame them at all. If I knew that the guy pitching wsa going to get shellacked everyother time out, I would be worried too…

As far as the trades go, Ian Snell is by far the best pitcher on the market in my eyes. He has the best stuff, could be dominate, cheapest, and the braves could have rights to him for a few years. I hope that Snell is the braves first priority. I do agree with the folks that say the braves are good enough to make the playoffs. I do not think that they are good enought to make a large dent in the playoffs. The are one quality starting pitcher away.

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Efrim,

I have been saying for days that I think the Braves are going to make a run at Arroyo…

But, in no way, shape, or form do I think JS will include Salty…

Has the roster move for today been announced yet? Maybe it hasn’t because they have something in the works!!

Regards,

Jason

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Would folks trade Escobar for Arroyo?

By Shaun

July 18, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Lew,

Pitching has always been scarce. There have always been a handful of teams each year who are confident in the pitching staffs and the majority who want more. We just think the problem is new because the game has swung in favor of offense relative to past years.

Yes, other sports are probably taking away some would-be baseball players but there is no way—because of all the reasons I’ve listed—that the baseball talent pool has decreased.

Yes, other sports are more popular but baseball is also more popular than ever and probably more popular than ever outside the US.

By Salty

July 18, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Oh, Lew

You just had to cast just one more time! There ain’t no fish in that pond…save your ‘worms’! And…you took Tenn-Paul with you! Why frustrate yourselves? Granted, your wrist gets exercised, but there other methods, too!

By bravesfan

July 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Efrim do you have a link for that rumor?

By bobby

July 18, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Overlord- you keep referring to “Davies” as “Davis”

By Ron Roberts

July 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Heck, Saltalamacchia’s hitting .231 this month, and his average is down to .293. Might not be such a bad idea to get something for him while people are still enamored with him, ya know?

Why not? We already have a long-term catcher locked up in a contract and can pick up a Jeff Conine or a Kevin Millar to play 1B the rest of the season. If we get a quality starter and win the World Series, and have to trade off Saltalamacchia or Yunel Escobar to do it, so be it. The National League’s ripe for the picking, this year, as last, and the St. Louis Cardinals showed how it’s done with “enough,” if not “overwhelming” talent to get it done.

I’m just saying, keep an open mind, folks. I see a lot of folks say “no way” to any thoughts of shipping our top-tier prospects off, but Bronson Arroyo’s been on his last five starts. Uh, we bore witness to the most recent. Heck, outside of Smoltz and Hudson, who on our rotation’s had five quality starts in a row?

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

By the way, Anyone looking at Kelly Johnson’s month of July? Big.

Willie Harris needs to be dropped from the lead off role today.

JasoninMaine

We would definetly have to give up Escobar. He is owed 11 million a year for the next three years.

He has ability. The Braves have a plethora of middle infielders in the minors. Reds have Alex Gonzalez locked up for 2 more years at 5 million per year and Brandon Phillips at second. It probebly doesn’t work, so therefore, Krivsky will ask for Salty and talks will end there.

By Chase

July 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

EFRIM, TENN PAUL

and everyone else worried about not beating the teams we should…

I ASK YOU

If the Braves win today and go 4-2 against the Pirates and Reds…..

Does it matter how they got the 4 wins?

Would it make everyone feel better if they had taken 2 of 3 from each team rather than sweep and then win 1?

Win today and you’re 4-2. That is good out of 6 games it doesn’t matter what order they were won in!!!!!!!

By TennesseePaul

July 18, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Payne: You’re right. I gave you the credit. What more do you want? Shall I build a monument to you over the heads of all Los Angelians so that they shall never again forget the greatness of Payne?

Scrolled back through those posts… my census data remarks came as a response to the well thought out and highly detailed study you posted from the prospectus. The one where the guy divided the national population by 30 to make a point… I disagreed with that and provided statistical points to back up why I disagreed. I also stated that I’d give it more merit if the article actually looked at the talent pool instead of the population size (these are two different groups). You keep talking about High School Girls. I will stop with my discourse now. Please, don’t let me interrupt your conversation on the athleticism of high school girls again. It’s very interesting.

By Steeledawg

July 18, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Good to see “Stinny” take one for the team regarding the all you can eat seats. 45 bucks worth of food. Oh the humanity!

By Renegator

July 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

I hate that Franco is probably going to be a Brave. He brings nothing to the table that we aren’t already getting from Thorman and Woodward.

By Will

July 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, I have to admit last night was the first time any thoughts about trading Salty being a good thing, but you never know. What if he doesnt turn out to be the All-everything guy he is supposed to be. He will be very good, but you never know. I would like to see him playing first everyday the next week and see how that goes. I have been absolutely against trading him from day one and still am, but last night was definitely the first time I let myself think about the possibility. Every prospect that comes up in the ATL organization is always supposed to be the next great thing, but it doesnt always work out that way.

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts,

You know, I hate to admit it, but I have been thinking the same thing. If the Braves already have a proven catcher and don’t see Salty as the long term answer at 1B, why not get something for him?

I know we need pitching, but if we can’t get it; I think we should get Tex. He can replace Andruw in the middle of the lineup next year. I like it for both this year and next. If getting a two time gold glover that will hit around .285 with 35+ HR and 100+ RBI—a know commodity—for a top prospect that may not have a place on your team, I say do it.

Regards,

Jason

By Tomahawkin' Again

July 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Jason in Maine, to answer your 11:53am poll question: Yes! Lets also throw in a minor leaguer or 2 to get Jeff Conine also from Cinci. You would solve the search for the #3 starter and would have a nice platoon @ 1B with Salty & Conine. Hey, I love Salty and Yunel like everyone else, but if it means getting us the NL Pennant this year, Trade Away!!

By TennesseePaul

July 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Chase: No problem with that. Just so long as they don’t lose. 3-3 is not pleasant.

By bravesfan

July 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Same lineup as last night

Harris-LF Renteria-SS C Jones-3B A Jones-CF McCann-C Francoeur-RF Johnson-2B Saltalamacchia-1B Smoltz-P

By Overlord

July 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

DAVIES Happy???????

By Lew

July 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Salty-You’re right. Sometimes fishing ceases to be fun long before the bait is as depleted as the talent pool. I guess I could always give NoBrainZone grief instead. No, that’s not even a good mental challenge. Maybe I’ll go work on Gil’s Wurlitzer, instead.

By Will

July 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Chase, That is great if the Braves win today and go 4-2 out of the break, but the problem is if the Mets win today they are 5-2 out of the break. When you are chasing a team, just matching them in wins/losses does not cut it. Not to mention the fact that the Mets are on the road at the Wild Card leader and took 3 out of 4 from the Reds, while the Braves can at best lose 2 out of 3 to the Reds. Bottom line, when you are chasing a team you need to be 5-1 or even 6-0 against two of the worst teams in the NL

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Chase

Expectations change when you sweep the Pirates. I expect them to win a series against the Reds which they didn’t. Now they are forced to try and avoid being swept by a last place team. It’s not good man. Not the end of the world, but certainly something you don’t want to deal with when you have a chance to pick up some ground against the Mets, who are playing the two best teams in the league.

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Lineup:

LF Harris SS Renteria 3B Jones CF Jones C McCann RF Francouer 2B Johnson 1B Saltalamacchia P Smoltz

I want Kelly back in the leadoff spot.

By Bubbaallred

July 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

How long can they wait before announcing who’s being sent down? 1:05?

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

DOB

Is there anything new on trades that you can tell us about? I know that JS and company are close-to-the-vest, but have you heard anything that you haven’t sworn to keep off-the-record?

Com’on guy, throw us a bone. We are getting tired of rippin’ up each other.

By Ron Roberts

July 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

I think picking up Mark Teixeira makes us more of an “American League” type team, with just enough pitching to get it done, but more than enough offense to overcome any pitching shortcomings.

Come playoff team, you need three good starters, enough pieces in the bullpen to shut a game down past the sixth inning, and good hitting. Mark Teixeira would complete that picture for us.

Plus, Teixeira would, indeed, give the Braves some flexibility if/when they lose Andruw Jones in the offseason. We can move Willie Harris to CF and bring up Brandon Jones to platoon with Matt Diaz, or move Jeff Francoeur over to CF and use Willie in RF with Brandon and Diaz in LF. Why not? Jeff’s speedy enough to cover all that ground in CF and has the cannon arm, too. So we’d lose nothing, offensively, by picking up Tex.

Also, keep in mind that Kevin Millwood’s 4-1 with a 3.23 ERA in his last six starts. He, too, being with the Rangers, right now.

By tkg

July 18, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Agree with you JasonInMaine. I think I would trade Salty for Tiexiera (writing that hurt), especially if I can’t trade Salty for a quality, quality SP. Salty for Arroyo would be a no for me. So would Escobar for Arroyo. Someone like Lillibridge plus a C prospect for Arroyo I would probably do. You have to give up something to get something, but I don’t know if the Reds would take Lillibridge since he hasn’t played an inning yet in the majors. They’ve seen when Escobar can do and I’d guess he’s more of a known quantity.

By tkg

July 18, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Agree with you JasonInMaine. I think I would trade Salty for Tiexiera (writing that hurt), especially if I can’t trade Salty for a quality, quality SP. Salty for Arroyo would be a no for me. So would Escobar for Arroyo. Someone like Lillibridge plus a C prospect for Arroyo I would probably do. You have to give up something to get something, but I don’t know if the Reds would take Lillibridge since he hasn’t played an inning yet in the majors. They’ve seen when Escobar can do and I’d guess he’s more of a known quantity.

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Devine was sent down. I think we should keep Reyes and he could be our left reliever. Ledezma ain’t impressive.

By PERNELL PEACH

July 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

My main man Mike Vick don’t even like dogs. He won’t even eat a hush puppy. Mike ain’t going down on no turpitude.

By David O'Brien

July 18, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Alright folks, I’m whipping up a blog now, back on the case. Although I have some trepidation, since it appears everyone’s abandoned us, and all other non-Vick blogging. Hopefully we can prove otherwise.

By bravesfan

July 18, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Braves send down Devine.

By Interested Observer

July 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

According to ESPN.com’s transaction wire, Braves optioned Devine to Richmond.

By SONGWRITER PERNELL PEACH

July 18, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

How much is that doggie in the window (arf, arf)

The one with the waggley tail

How much is that doggie in the window (arf, arf)

I do hope that doggie’s for sale

I must take a trip to Virginia

And leave my poor Arthur alone

If he has a dog he won’t be lonesome

And the doggie will have a good home

How much is that doggie in the window (arf, arf)

The one with the waggley tail

How much is that doggie in the window (arf, arf)

I do hope that doggie’s for sale

I read in the papers there are robbers (roof, roof)

With flashlights that shine in the dark

Arthur needs a doggie to protect him

And scare them away with one bark

I don’t want a bunny or a kitty

I don’t want a parrot that talks

I don’t want a bowl of little fishies

Arthur can’t take a goldfish for a walk

How much is that doggie in the window (arf, arf)

The one with the waggley tail

How much is that doggie in the window (arf, arf)

I do hope that doggie’s for sale

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Efrim,

Where did you hear that? Interesting point on Reyes as the Lefty out of the pen…I wonder if the Braves would consider it. I know some teams, like the Twins, often use future starters out of the bullpen. Of course, they do it to break them in, but still an interesting point.

Regards,

Jason

By Shaun

July 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

The article I posted was from Baseball Digest.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mim0FCI/is1059/ai65131133

And I agree, the article could have made it’s point better but I think the overall argument was quite effective. Here’s a paragraph:

In 2000, there are 30 major league teams. The population of the nation is about 274 million. In other words, there is one big league team for about every 9.1 million Americans. That’s not watering down the talent pool. Yes, baseball no longer is the automatic first choice for athletic young Americans. But that is more than offset because of the internationalization of the talent pool and the disintegration of the color line and then the quotas that limited the number of minority players on the field.

Yes, dividing the US population by 30 was a part of the argument. But the author also mentioned desegregation and globalization. He/She also divides the population by number of teams for 1950. My guess is he/she would get roughly the same result had he divided only the male population between 18-40 by the number of teams—that there are close to the same number of males per team as there were or a little more. And this does not take into account desegregation and globalization.

Yes, the piece could have been more scientific but it’s from Baseball Digest, not a scholarly journal.

I think it’s a quite effective piece. Sure, you’d need to do some more scientific research to be certain that the talent pool has increased but I would be very shocked if more in-depth research gave different results.

And I’ll make my point without using high school girls athletics as my example.

A high school track team (of any sex) could break the world records of 100 years ago.

To use the DOB method:

“The good ol’ days weren’t always good and tomorrow ain’t as bad as it seems.”

Romanticizing the past too much will only make you a grumpy old man sooner rather than later.

Yes, some parts of the past were great, maybe better than modern times. But a lot of us probably wouldn’t have survived child birth or would have contracted a fatal disease at some point already or would have died in a war or would be much poorer than we are now or would have some kind of severe handicap. Not trying to offend or upset anyone who have experienced these things. Just saying these kinds of things would have happened to more and more of us the farther we go in the past.

By Salty

July 18, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Nice aspect to keeping Jo Jo on the squad is he can pinch hit instead of Chuck James. Actually, Jo Jo looks like he can really hit. Anyone hear about Diaz’s remarks on BP in San Diego…Simpson was talking about him.

By David O'Brien

July 18, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Braves SENT DOWN DEVINE, kept Davies and Reyes. “Because we need a long man,” Cox said, referring to using Davies in the bullpen if needed, what with Smoltz returning from DL and some uncertainty there.

By TennesseePaul

July 18, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Medical science has probably…
Medical Science has probably not…
how about the fact that scouts are now more likely…
(No source given for this “fact”).
what about the fact that there hasn’t been a major world war interrupting the careers of major leaguers
How many careers did the draft ruin? No source given, so it is unknown.
what about the fact that the people who run baseball teams know more than ever
Towing the company line of SABRmetrics still doesn’t increase the talent pool
teams are bringing in more and more latin and asian players
Perhaps because the US talent pool is watered down.
The talent pool has no doubt increased
No source to back this up. Lots of speculation. No sources or statistical analysis.

OK, I’ve had enough. Onward with the season.
Alright, one more, then I’m done.

I brought up High School Girls…This may or may not have anything to do with the talent pool, I realize that.
Work it Payne. Work it!

By Will

July 18, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

As slow as i am to come around on the possibility of trading Salty, i still want to see a VERY impressive return on that trade. Even Teixera is a great player, but with being a free agent soon and Boras as his agent that does not seem like a possibility of keeping him around long.

By Ron Roberts

July 18, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Shoot, Davies needs to be the long man outta the ‘pen, far as I’m concerned. Jo Jo did just fine last night. The bullpen killed us last night; Reyes gave us a shot, which is more than we can say about Davies the night before.

By Salty

July 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

TennPaul You’re the West Coast LEW! Tireless! :-)

By brent a.

July 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Cox on the radio:

No decision on Reyes-Davies.

Davies will back-up Smoltz today.

Devine to be sent to Richmond, which according to Cox, is a “promotion.”

Bobby for President.

By Paladin, Miscreant

July 18, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Song writer :-)!!

By Ron Roberts

July 18, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

That’s because Devine was in Mississippi, prior to his brief stint here, wasn’t he?

By Lew

July 18, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Salty-It is a moot point whether or not Ten Paul and I continue or don’t. Shaun is the proverbial Energizer Bunny. He’ll still be going on and on well past our quitting point. I gave up more than an hour ago and it hasn’t phased him-just like it never phased him on the previous 45-50 topics. Apparently you missed the one last year that went on for over a week about how Ryan Howard was not having a great year (Shaun was the only one with that point of view).

By Salty

July 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Lew

I usually check the By and see if there’s a who. Reading novels on line is tough, so I choose to scroll-on. Fact is, I do more of that now than last year.

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Braves are going to score in the first…you heard it here first!

By geauxbraves2000

July 18, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Okay, this blog is a little too bogged down for my work computer which supports IE, (firefox is a great blog browser), so I guess no in game blogging for geaux. So, congrats Griffey Jr on #2500, now let’s go get ‘em Braves!!

Geaux Braves!!

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Wow, three fastballs at 90 MPH right down the middle and Chipster can’t do anything with them…very surprising!

By JasonInMaine

July 18, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

See, I am always right (:

By Shaun

July 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

I know it’s not fact. It’s an assumption that the talent pool is not watered down relative to the past but I would say it’s an extremely reasonable and very logical assumption that it is not.

I don’t know if any statistical or any other kind of evidence that could ever prove or disprove that the talent pool has increased or decreased.

Here’s some facts that I don’t think anyone would deny:

Since 1900 there have been several vaccines that have eradicated or controlled several serious diseases—smallpox, polio, measels, etc.

Here’s something from medicine.net:

Since 1900, safer and healthier foods have resulted from decreases in microbial contamination and increases in nutritional content. Identifying essential micronutrients and establishing food-fortification programs have almost eliminated major nutritional deficiency diseases such as rickets, goiter, and pellagra in the United States.

I also don’t think anyone would argue that it’s easier for scouts to travel because of better technology and more resources.

I also don’t think anyone would argue that World War II killed some would-be major leaguers. According to an article in USA Today over 4500 pro baseball players (all levels of pro baseball) served in WWII.

I also don’t think anyone would deny that even if the US talent pool is watered down (which I’m not so sure it it) the increase in international talent pool, especially in Latin American, is very significant.

I’ll admit I haven’t provided much evidence. But I think I’ve provided plenty of things that no one would argue against—borderline self-evident factoids—to build my point of view on and I think it’s more reasonable and logical than not to believe the talent pool has at least stayed the same and may have increased.

By David O'Brien

July 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG IS UP

By Overlord

July 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

i love it when bobby believes in stolen bases

By Efrim

July 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Imagine Harang on this team. Would have to give up more than Salty to get him. Probably McCann.

By Shaun

July 18, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Lew (and Salty),

I’m sorry but when something greatly contradicts reason, in my opinion, I’m going to keep at it.

Also, last year I didn’t say Ryan Howard didn’t have a great year or wasn’t having a great year. My view was that it wasn’t historic, wasn’t one of the top seasons in history in terms of overall production.

I love how some folks like to try to put words(“he said Ryan Howard wasn’t having a great year”) in my mouth simply because they disagree with me.

By TennesseePaul

July 18, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

My view was that it wasn’t historic

Howard was the only Sophomore player in history to hit 58 HR. But that wasn’t historic. He was on pace to hit 60+ at the point of the topic, but that wasn’t historic.