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DEL.ICIO.USBraves’ hitting resurgence was timely
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Gonna be an interesting night with a fine pitching matchup of Tim Hudson vs. Brad Penny at Dodger Stadium, then a midnight drive to San Diego. Wish you were here. (Well, some of you.)
Anyway, while I’m thinking about it, I was just crunching numbers and came up with this one: The Braves have hit .290 on the road since May 1, and .248 at home in that same stretch.
But here’s the positive news you folks were looking for (no, not “Kyle Davies has figured out the flaw in his delivery and should now be ready to turn in quality starts on a regular basis.”)
The positive news: The Braves have hit .317 and scored 59 runs in their past nine games, while going 6-3 with a 3.53 ERA in that span. This after going 3-9 in the previous 12 games while posting a 4.74 ERA and hitting just .242 with 28 runs — yes, 28 runs in 12 games. Ugly.
From under 2-1/2 runs per game to nearly 5-1/2 runs per game, that’s progress. Of course, the level of competition hasn’t been nearly as strong in the latter stretch, with Washington, Florida and Los Dodgers not comparable to the likes of Cleveland, Boston and Detroit. Well, the Dodgers are, but not the others.
But nevertheless … the schedule is the schedule. And while the Mets have been stumbling and letting the Braves stick around, several Atlanta hitters have emerged from their slumps and the team actually has more than a few hitters going strong at once, for the first time in a while.
The pitching still is rife with concerns — John Smoltz’s shoulder, Davies’ everything, Bob Wickman’s recent struggles, the new lefty’s underwhelming work — but improved offense can go a long way toward lessening the impact of those pitching problems.
The Braves still need to find a starter on the market, which I think they’ll do before the July 31 trade deadline, whether it’s an impact guy or just a modest innings-eater who’s more reliable than what they’ve got now at the back end of the rotation.
We’ll know soon enough, perhaps in the next few hours, who is expected to start Saturday for Smoltz. Could it be top prospect Jo Jo Reyes, the extremely promising lefty who’s only been up with Class AAA Richmond for a few weeks? Probably so. Which tells you how desperate the Braves are getting, to use the first option on this kid with such limited experience in the high minors.
Stay tuned.
Now, about those resurgent hitters: Chipper Jones has hit .378 with a .446 OBP in 19 games since returning from the DL, and has 11 RBIs in his past seven games.
Several others have picked it up in the last week or three, perhaps some of them responding since Hoss returned to stabilize the lineup from his No. 3 spot. For example:
Brian McCann has hit .323 with three homers and 10 RBIs in his past nine games, after hitting .174 with two homers and 13 RBIs in his previous 24 games.
Jeff Francoeur has hit .448 (13-for-29) with three doubles and seven RBIs in his past seven games, after batting .206 with just one extra-base hit and three RBIs in 68 at-bats over his previous 18 games.
Matt Diaz has hit all season, but jacked it up recently, batting .415 (17-for-41) in his past 15 games.
Edgar Renteria keeps going strong, batting .333 with 14 RBIs and a .404 OBP in his past 22 games.
Rookie phenom Yunel Escobar went through a very brief slump, but is cookin’ again now, going 11-for-25 (.440) with four doubles, eight runs and four RBIs in his past seven games.
Jarrod Saltalamacchia has hit since he got here, and despite going 1-for-9 in the first three games of the Dodgers series, he still has a .339 average with three homers in his past 20 games (59 at-bats).
The Braves regulars still struggling mightily: Scott Thorman, who’s 3-for-26 (.115) with one double and 10 strikeouts in his past 10 games, and Andruw Jones, despite his current one-hit-a-game eight-game hitting streak.
He’s 8-for-35 (.229) with three homers, six RBIs and 12 strikeouts during that unusual hitting streak, and in his past 21 games he has a .134 average with six RBIs, 25 strikeouts in 82 at-bats, and a .202 OBP.
Is Wickman fading? The veteran closer has been very hittable for the past few weeks, posting a 9.45 ERA and .382 opponents’ average in nine appearances since June 14. He’s allowed 13 hits and seven earned runs in 6-2/3 innings over that stretch, with an 0-1 record and two blown saves in six chances.
For the season, Wickman has a .270 opponents’ average and .349 OBP, including a .293 average (17-for-58) by right-handed batters.
He’s allowed only eight hits and one unearned run in 14 home games this season, but on the road he’s got a 7.63 ERA and .333 opponents’ average in 18 appearances, with 23 hits, 13 earned runs and 10 walks in 15-1/3 innings.
New guy not impressive: So far it’s been a rough go of it for left-hander Wilfredo Ledezma, who is doing pretty much for the Braves what he was doing with Detroit before coming over in a trade for lefty Macay McBride.
Ledezma was charged with a run and two hits without recording an out Wednesday night, after allowing a run Monday and two runs and three hits in one inning Friday at Florida.
In his past 20 appearances with Detroit and the Braves, he has a 6.93 ERA and .301 opponents’ average, with 31 hits (three homers), 20 runs (19 earned) and 14 walks allowed in 24-2/3 innnings.
Ok, gotta get to the ‘park. For our last day in L.A., a late, great Southern Californian will take us out with this little ditty.
“JOIN ME IN L.A.” by Warren Zevon
Well, they say this place is evil
That ain’t why I stay
‘Cause I found something
That will never be nothing
And I found it in L. A.
It was midnight in Topanga
I heard the DJ say
There’s a full moon rising
Join me in L. A.
wake up … wake up
I was at the Tropicana
On a dark and sultry day
Had to call someone long distance
I said “Join me in L. A.”
Join me in L. A.
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Comments
By David-ATL14
July 5, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
Jason in Maine, from the previous blog, the website is Braves Scout.com. Solid site, i would advise the premium board,especially when school is out.
DOB just looking over the Richmond Game Notes, Reyes is no longer scheduled to pitch for them on saturday, pretty good indicator he will be in SD?
By Voice of Reason
July 5, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
680 the Fan is reporting that JoJo is being called up for the start.
By Eric from MO
July 5, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Assuming the Braves call up Reyes then will that mean in the near future that Buddy will get sent back down when Smoltz returns. I would assume the Braves dont want to use Reyes first option so quickly.
By AthensBrave
July 5, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
I cannot believe people are picthing to Chipper with RISP. If I were an opposing manager, I’d definitely walk him to get to Andruw.
Lineup next year: LF- Diaz/Johnson C- W. Harris/Free Agent RF- French 3B- Chip SS- Rent 2nd- Yunel 1st- Salty C- McCann
Don’t trade our future for a pitcher who won’t be w/ us long. JS has to make it happen w/o Salt&Escobar. We might just be one year away from nastiness….however, I still do have hope for this year
By TennesseePaul
July 5, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the post DOB. Enjoy the trip south tonight. Watch out for those Marines on the way down. And did you at least get a chance to try Phillip’s? It’s on the corner of Ceasar Chavez and Alameda… just around the bend from the Ravine. Really close to the stadium. Good stuff there. Good stuff.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
Yes, David-ATL, very good indicator. Just hasn’t been made official yet, but I’m sure it will be when we get to the park. But unless you hear from me otherwise, figure that’s the case.
Loved the Rookie Rules of Engagement on other blog. Just saw them. Someone should bring them to this blog, no sense wasting them on the tail end of the other.
By Voice of Reason
July 5, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
So, then, the SD series goes Carlyle, Reyes then Davies.
YIKES
Let’s hope JoJo brings the mojo…
By Ohio Brave
July 5, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
I saw Jo Jo pitch in c’bus Tuesday night vs the nat’s AAA club and I would say he could use a good bit more time in Richmond. Although the shut out was impressive, he got in a lot of trouble several innings by putting the first batter in scoring position. Major league clubs will score those guys more often than not.
By Rip
July 5, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
DOB- Do you know the Braves record against opposing teams 1’s and 2’s? How about the Braves record against the 3’,4’s and 5’s.
By TennesseePaul
July 5, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
If Reyes is called up, that is his first option. They can send him back and forth as much as they want for his first year… if I’m not mistaken.
Besides, Buddy has been pretty solid. 2 bad starts, but the rest of the time very solid.
By All Spin Zone
July 5, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this
I think you have to go for the rare impact pitcher who could be under the trade radar. A creative deal that JS is known for that brings the Braves a true number 1 or 2. I trade Escobar and/or Salty for nothing less than that type of impact pitcher. And, you have to be able to sign him to multi-year, not rent him.
The possibility of that trade happening is probably pretty slim.
If that kind of deal can’t be done, then go for an innings eater that lets you keep your two young studs.
My biggest fear is that we trade away either of the two (Escobar or Salty) for a mediocre solution who isn’t lights out.
If he ain’t lights out, then get the best you can without losing two future stars. The Braves can figure out other options during the winter.
This team could be a couple of years away from being a team that could actually win a WS (if they get pitching and keep the young core or regulars) Don’t want to sound like a pessimist, but I don’t think Johan Santana could actually get this team as it is currently constructed to the WS. Maybe win the division, but not the WS.
But hey, look at the Cards last year. I guess anything is possible.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 5, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
dob, don’t eat the fish and chips! repeat. don’t eat the fish and chips!
By Lew
July 5, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
Eric-I’m not positive, but I think they would have to designate Carlyle for assignment, which would, in essence, be giving him his walking papers. I would imagine Davies would be the one to go to Richmond when Smoltz returns (if he isn’t gone before that).
By Rookie Bloger
July 5, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
ookie Bloger’s way to improve the Braves…
1.Move Wickman to 7th inning (or at least 8th)put Soriano as closer.
2.Try yo package Salty and KJ for a proven starter like Buehrle.
3.Make Escobar everyday 2nd baseman.
4.Bring Prado up for Orr.
5.Obviously send down Kyle Davies down.
6.Bring up Buddy Hernandez until Braves aquire another SP.
7.Keep platoning Willie and Diaz.
8.Move AJ at least down to the 7th spot in the order.
Sit AJ for series vs. Padres, which will give him a week to sit and rest…it csnt hurt. This is just a 15 year old, rookie blogers take on the ways to fix the Braves
By Ron Roberts
July 5, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this
I’m not saying or predicting it’ll happen, but what happens, salary-wise, when or if a guy, say, a Bob Wickman, just realizes his body might not be able to go the distance this season, and say, retires rather than hang on too long?
Do the Braves stop writing checks immediately, thus freeing up the remainder of his salary?
I like Wicky; he’s stablized the ‘pen since his arrival, but his recent troubles, to me, indicate a nagging back issue that isn’t just going to “go away.” He’s a big man, he’s pitching (which is bad on the back, anyhow, nevermind doing it with the girth he slings when he does it), and he’s in his late 30s.
I certainly hope that’s not the case, ‘cause (and, sorry all your Soriano suck-ups) Rafael Soriano hasn’t exactly looked stellar lately, himself, and without Mike Gonzalez this season, our bullpen starts showing cracks in the armor.
By biffpocoroba
July 5, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
What’s the deal with Lerew?
By Coach ( CENSORSHIP STINKS)
July 5, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
tonight’s game will probably be a low scoring affair where the Dodgers speed will be key. Good luck Braves, your gonna need it. Reyes will make starter number nine for Atlanta , 88 games into the season , not good , not good at all. Andruw has 14 HR - 48 RBI and an eight game hitting streak to go along with his .201 BA - 87 K’s and wondrous .690 OPS , AJ is baseball’s definition of the word Conundrum.
By jb
July 5, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
With the All-Star Break, Reyes will probably get a start and then get sent back down for another start. The Braves may need him after the break due to a lot of games in a row. Hope he does well. He could be an improvement over Davies.
By Ron Roberts
July 5, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
Hey DO’B… can’t we just super-impose the Rookie Rules of Engagement onto the blog page right above the “comments” box we all type in?
:o)
It’s an idea, anyhow.
By Bob
July 5, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this
Anyone know who the Padres are pitching this weekend?
By Rookie Bloger
July 5, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Jo-Jo has had great numbers in Richmond…2-0 1.57 ERA in 21 Innings more Ip then hits allowed…10 Walks thats a bit much…and 27 K whicj is a great number…Does anybody know how hard Reyes throws?
The Rookie Blogger
By Todd A
July 5, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
Since when did Chipper get the nickname “Hoss”?
By TennesseePaul
July 5, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
Lew: While that makes some sense, I’d imagine when Smoltz returns, or whoever is removed from the scene so that the new Rookie can engage, Reyes would be sent back down. I’d doubt Reyes would be up for long. But we’ll see.
By john
July 5, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
DOB - thoughts on trading Kelly Johnson and having Escobar start at 2nd? Add in another decent prospect and we might get a reliable starter. Thoughts?
By Rookie Bloger
July 5, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this
Coach I agree with you it will definitely game. With Piere and Furcal at the top I give the Dodgers the edge.
By Efrim
July 5, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Is trading Kelly an option you think JS would consider?
What worries me is that he is the only hitter with On base skills. What do you think?
By Rookie Bloger
July 5, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this
Bob The Padres are pitching Germano,Wells, and Maddux the Braves are very lucky to miss both Peavy and Young. Im predicting a 2-1 series winn for Braves.
By tvsportscaster
July 5, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
Orr sent to AAA to make room for Devine who was indeed called up today.
By Chris
July 5, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this
What kind of modest innings-eating type might we be discussing, DOB? I’d hate to deal for an average guy who doesn’t do much but take Davies’s place.
Chris chopnation.com
By Bob
July 5, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this
Thanks Rookie. Well with our lineup I am not sure I agree with your prediction, but I agree our chances are better than if we were facing their Big Two.
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 5, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this
Rookie Rules of Engagement
Do not address any veteran blogger….. You can speak to a vet blogger when a vet speaks to you first
When vets are fighting with each other….. Stay the F out of it….. otherwise, you will get caught in the nuclear fallout…… it’s kind of like not picking sides when a husband or wife fight with each other….. when the drama is over, they will get back together and both will hate you for no other reason than they do no want to resolve the difficulties between them and it is easier to unite with each other by creating a common enemy…….. For reference, see the Chipper/Smoltz backstabbing…… they might even call you a bulldog because you reported their bullsh!t and dared to call them out on their b.s.!
STFU about the Devil Rays. This includes Baldelli, Crawford, Kazmir, Dukes, Upton, every single bloody one of them…..
Mike Hampton can not just be released…… they still have to pay the darn money to him.
Enough already about Wilson Betemit……. you will be told he is a fringe player whether that is true or not……
McCann was not given that contract so that he can be traded……
If you ask stupid questions, you are going to be called stupid…..
If you are gonna disagree with Shaun, you better be ready to engage in a day long battle and be prepared to be pounded with stat after stat…..
Quite simply, Robert thinks Bobby Cox is a Donk….. you will hear this taped recording play over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over AGAIN!
N8 is really called NHATE not innate……… He is a good fan but he will really wear you out with his negativity…….
Grinch, Carolina Lady, Bob Journalist, and Journalist Jimmy Smith are institutions….. don’t mess with them no matter how much they lead with their chin….. the whole blog will hate you if you go after them
Don’t cross Lew.
If you really want attention….. say something really shocking….. make a name for yourself…… just nothing lewd, crude, profane…… an actual opinion usually does the trick
Don’t go after DOB….. that’s just tacky……. and stupid….. and well it’s just wrong….. it is his freaking blog….. if you don’t like what he says or does, then leave, it is his friggin blog, folks…… why continue to be around something you detest…… This used to be the Don’t Be An Idiot Rule….. it has now been changed to Don’t Act Like Coach Rule.
If DOB knocks you down with a pitch, don’t complain, it is a badge of honor
Don’t ask DOB stupid questions……. state your opinion……. if he agrees, finds it remarkable or disagrees, he will let you know - ONLY if it is something worth commenting on. If he says nothing, then take the freaking hint……
If you are a persistent little bugger who needs to keep asking questions directly to DOB, don’t ask more than once….. that is very annoying to all of the other bloggers….. At 12:03 p.m. - Hey, DOB, is blah blah player getting called up? At 12:17 p.m., Hey, Dave is blah blah player getting called up? At 12:41 p.m., Hey O’Brien, is blah blah player getting called up? You didn’t answer me the first time……. At 1:07 p.m., oh, woe is me, fine just ignore me then DOB, I guess I have to say something outrageous instead of asking stupid questions to get attention from DOB….. then the blogger posts, refreshes and reloads the blog and sees this at 12:52 p.m. from DOB: Yes, persistent inane question asker, I read your question. Sorry I was busy doing my job reporting on the Braves, blogging 24/7 on here, having a personal life, enjoying some movies, music, television and friends, but now I am back to serve your every need. But it is not likely that so and so prospect will be called up just yet for this, this, and that reason. But they really do like him as a prospect, just not yet ready for prime time……. At 1:17 p.m., Sorry DOB, you just took so long answering my question. But thanks for answering. Love your blog man…… At 1:31 p.m., DOB will say no problem, man, no worries although he must wanna strangle the fella.
Andruw can not, will not be traded….. 10/5 guy and he and Boras fully intend to take advantage of that…..
DOB can not wish away the $80 mil payroll……..
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BBQ, movies, music, baseball, beautiful women, is all EL HOMBRE asks.
Be patient. Hit the post button once. Double posts are annoying. Better for your post to disappear than to make blogmates endure your drivel twice.
If you are a closed minded person and you don’t like it when El Hombre talks music, well then tough, you came to the wrong blog. Go start your own blog. Or figure out on your own that the little mouse in your hand allows you to scroll past what you don’t want to read.
There’s so much more. This list of rules is subject to further editing, modification, revision. You guys can fill in the rest and make sure to post this everyday……. take turns….. put it up within 20 minutes of a new blog going up everyday… Save us a lot of grief….. Hopefully….. won’t hold my breath expecting it though….
By Ron Roberts
July 5, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this
Didn’t we have to move somebody else, though, to make room for JoJo Reyes coming up this weekend, or am I overlooking something?
By Lew
July 5, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this
I know that some here think the Braves can’t develop pitching and Reyes is no different in this regard (I don’t agree, but since Rookie Rules thinks everything p!$$e$ me off, I won’t argue). What can we possibly lose giving him a try? He can’t be any worse than Redman, Lerew or Cormier, much less Davies.
By AZBravoFan
July 5, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this
Let’s set aside our Andruw and Kyle bashing for a while and consider this: What would this season look like without three fluky events.
1) A hot-hitting Brian McCann inexplicably tries to bunt some runners over, only to have the pitch hit his ring finger.
2) Chipper and baseball arrive at Jose Castillo at the same time and Chipper lands awkwardly on his hands after the collision.
3) Smoltz somehow gets his pinky caught in Austin Kearns’ jersey (or whatever happened) and dislocates it.
Imagine if Chipper and McCann had stayed healthy and the offense continued to hum. Maybe Andruw wouldn’t have felt the need to try to jerk balls into the upper deck while falling down. Maybe they would have picked up some of the struggling pitchers and they could have developed some of that much needed confidence. And then maybe the bullpen wouldn’t have gotten so taxed. Then again maybe we wouldn’t have been introduced to Salty and Yunel Escobar so soon. Crazy game this baseball. Here’s hoping we can throw out the numbers when Huddy meets Penny tonight!
By DonCoburleone
July 5, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
Penny Penny Penny… I know the guy has an ERA of 2.00, but I honestly don’t consider him “dominant”. I was at the Angel game about a month ago where he got rocked for like 5 runs in 4 innings. Not to mention just look at last year, the guy always starts off hot and then dips BAD. Maybe tonight is the start of his yearly slide…
By Lew
July 5, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
Rookie Rules-Better not p!$$ me off or I won’t nominate you for the Wurlitzer Prize For Rules Writing.
By Kentavo
July 5, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
I’ve got a buddy who is a big Indians fan and he warned me last year about Wickman when the deal was made. He said Wickman will get his fair share of saves, but he’ll make you sweat, putting runners on, etc. So, he was exceptional the second half after coming over to ATL - but that was the best he’s ever been. What we’re seeing now is his true form - he’ll save ‘em, but don’t count on any 1-2-3 9th innings and he’s gonna blow a few. He is not a lights out, hammer-type, although we thought he was because of how he performed in half a season last year. All closers not named Smoltz will blow a few. That being said, I wish Bobby would go with more of a situational approach than the He’s-the-closer-and-this-is-a-save-sitution-so-by-god-I-must-use-the-closer. I mean, would you bring in Wickman to face Oleva again, after the guy has repeatedly hammered him, just because it’s the 9th inning? Not in my book.
By GeorgetownKid
July 5, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this
Mr. O’Brien,
From what you observe and overhear, is there still a belief amongst scouts (both from the Braves and from other teams) that Davies has top-of-the-rotation talent? In which case, Davies might have trade value, either before the trade deadline or over the coming offseason.
Or do you believe that he is viewed as a flop who would be too great a liability to deserve a roster spot?
If the general consensus fits the latter description, what will the Braves do with him? For he will be out of options next season, which means the Braves will have to keep him in Atlanta or waive him.
By Coach ( CENSORSHIP STINKS)
July 5, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this
Buddy Carlyle vs. Justin Germano on Friday. Jo Jo Reyes vs. David Wells on Saturday and Kyle Davies vs. Greg Maddux Sunday on ESPN.
By Bob
July 5, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this
Rookie Rules of Engagement,
Think we need something here on how to address Mets Drool and No Chop. They tend to hide (aka, being out of town on business… LOL) when the Metsies are losing. A paragraph to deal with these vermine would be helpful.
By Caleb
July 5, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this
So I would not be surprised at all if Andruw hit like this for the next 49 games, going 1 for 4 or 5, thus breaking DiMaggio’s hit streak record, but still only having a batting avg around .210. Maybe 48 singles, 7 homeruns, 3 doubles and 110 strikeouts during that stretch. Then Boras could use that to get Andruw a $150 million dollar contract somewhere.
By tvsportscaster
July 5, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts, they don’t have to make a roster move with Reyes until before the game Saturday.
By Coach ( CENSORSHIP STINKS)
July 5, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
No , the Braves have just 38 players who count against the 40 man roster. Two spots are open for Reyes and anybody else the Braves might need.
By True Braves Fan
July 5, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this
Has anyone seen Smoltz’ appology to Chipper in print yet. I am sure he must have done it privately, but needs to do it publicly.
By Jon B
July 5, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this
Hey Georgetownkid, ask yourself this question. Do you think a pitcher with a 3-7 record and an extremely high ERA is a top of the line pitcher, valuable in trade bait???? Answer that and you will more than likely get the same answer as Dave.
By DonCoburleone
July 5, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this
“Buddy Carlyle vs. Justin Germano on Friday. Jo Jo Reyes vs. David Wells on Saturday and Kyle Davies vs. Greg Maddux Sunday on ESPN.”
Please tell me you’re joking…
By Eric from MO
July 5, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Tennessee Paul thanks for explaining the Reyes and options thing to me.
By Efrim
July 5, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Reyes was the 43rd overall pick in 2003.
He had Tommy John surgery in 2004 and also tore his ACL that year as well.
Before this year he has posted 310 Innings, 275 hits allowed, 19 HR, 107 BB, 301 K’s, .239 Opponents average with a 22-13 record and a 3.78 ERA
6’2” 230 pounds- Mark Buerhle’s size
Low 90’s four seam fastball, Overhand Curve, Changeup
This season he has posted 96.1 Innings, 84 hits allowed, 7 HR, 45 BB, 98 K’s, .241 Opponents average with a 10-1 record and a 3.08 ERA
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
Kentavo: Wickman has always to my memory been that kind of a guy. Changes speeds, not a fireballer, good location, and gets the hitter to put it into play to allow the defense to work. As we are finding out first hand, that kind of a closer is going to get hit sometimes. I am not sure if he is having any other health issues, but this is a typical Wickman year.
I would love to have a lights out closer personally, but even though Soriano is the fireballer, he too gives up his share of hits, as we have discovered this year.
I personally hope we get Devine up here and give him a shot to move up in the bullpen rotation. Use him in inning 7 or 8 a few times, then throw him in there when it counts to see if he has gotten over the rookie jitters. Kid was just tearing it up in Mississippi.
Also, concerning the bullpen, what do you folks think Yates would look like if he could add another pitch? Could he be a rotation man???
By Rookie blogger
July 5, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
I think we need to package both Chipper and Andruw for Oswalt.
We should cut Hampton at the end of the year to free up payroll.
Can we get Wilson Betemit back?
By Rookie Bloger
July 5, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this
Davies has the talent to be at least a 3 and maybe a 2. But location is terrible. He throws that belt high 90-92 mph fastball all the time. He consistently misses his spots and when a walks a batter or whatever he loses it.
By jbutler
July 5, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
Here’s my addition to the Rules of Engagement…..Just remember, there’s no such thing as a stupid question. Just stupid people asking questions. Hee….enjoy!
By Efrim
July 5, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
“Buddy Carlyle vs. Justin Germano on Friday. Jo Jo Reyes vs. David Wells on Saturday and Kyle Davies vs. Greg Maddux Sunday on ESPN.”
Thanks god we miss Peavy and Young. Even so, we might be 44-45 heading into the break……
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
Somebody was earlier reporting that Devine was called up? Where did you hear that, and if so, who was sent down?
Brayan Pena, where are you kiddo?
By Coach ( CENSORSHIP STINKS)
July 5, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this
No joke , Don. It looks real ugly. But , it’s baseball , anything can happen.
By Rookie Bloger
July 5, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this
True Braves Fan
Why would Smoltz put his apology in print? They want to put the issue behind them, way behind them.
By Ron Roberts
July 5, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
Kyle Davies was (and still is) listed on the Braves’ website as the Sunday starter, as well…
…but methinks that after this most recent display (and Bobby’s reaction to it) that there’ll be some shuffling of the cards before that happens.
I’d try and get Chuck into that game, personally. He pitched a low pitch-count last night, anyhow. Besides, he’s a fly-ball-out pitcher, and Petco’s not a homer-friednly park. The place is made for him.
By Rookie Bloger
July 5, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this
Rookie Blogger…Why the hell would the Stros take on that kinda payroll. 1st Chipper and Andruw are both 10-5 players and neither would agree to the trade.
By TBFKB
July 5, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this
I think AJ starts one of his torrid hitting streaks tonight against a tough pitcher. I know he struck out 4 times but he was able to stay on a pitch on the outer half of the plate without overswinging and grounding out or striking out.
At least I hope anyways.
Anyone have a link to a Jo Jo Reyes scouting report. What kinda of stuff does he have. Would be awesome if this guy comes in and wins 10 ball games in the second half for us.
By Ron Roberts
July 5, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this
Rookie Blogger… I know you’re a 15-year old (at least that’s what ya said…) so allow me to point you to the Rookie Blogger’s Rules of Engagement further up the page, buddy.
It covers your ‘“cutting” of Mike Hampton’ idea.
And nobody’s taking Chipper’s contract with his injury history of late, even if it comes with a .201 hitting power-hitter as a “bonus” for their ace stud pitcher. Why would they?
Trades have to make sense for both teams, usually, even if they sometimes don’t work out that way.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this
It is Jo Jo on Saturday, though won’t be official till we go downstairs and Bobby confirms. Don’t know about the Devine move, why he’s here or who’s going down. Heard rumors it could be Wickman is hurt. We’ll try to get someone at office to type it in when I call from clubhouse later.
By Salty
July 5, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts Can you (or anyone) use methinks in a post? Are royalties to Bob, Journalist required? Bob, what say you? Is this a blog faux pax…an infringement? Will such a violation find a spot on the Rookie Rules of Engagement?
By Todd A
July 5, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
Has anyone seen Smoltz’ appology to Chipper in print yet. I am sure he must have done it privately, but needs to do it publicly.
He’s already apologized in private.That should be good enough.As we can see now,Chipper may be hurting some,but he can play,and he should have been playing all along.I’m glad Smoltz embarrassed him.A team leader isn’t supposed to sit out of the lineup with every little minor ailment when his team is struggling so mightily without his services.
By tvsportscaster
July 5, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah, I posted earlier in the blog, that Pete Orr was sent to Richmond to make room for Devine.
By HP
July 5, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
How did Roy Oswalt get replaced for John Smoltz? It should have been Tim Hudson. This is not fair. Roy Oswalt stats: 7-5 3.52ERA .268BAA. Tim Hudson stats: 8-5 3.18ERA .244BAA. This is ridiculous. Is Tony LaRussa drunk again?
By True Braves Fan
July 5, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this
Rookie Bloger
By Rookie Bloger
July 5, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this
Wickman has never been great…his average against since 2000 is .260
By Rookie blogger
July 5, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this
Rookie Blogger…Why the hell would the Stros take on that kinda payroll. 1st Chipper and Andruw are both 10-5 players and neither would agree to the trade.
It’s called sarcasm.
By BravesFanInRockies
July 5, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
Wayne,
I wonder if Wilfredo is a better candidate to start than Yates, since he’s done it more recently. (Yes, I know he’s the only lefty in the pen now.)
OTOH, if Yates’ shoulder is showing signs of wear, then perhaps (see: Smoltz) trying to move him to the rotation may not be such a bad idea. Just don’t know if he’s got a 3rd ML pitch, though.
By Todd A
July 5, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this
I can’t help but laugh at all the responses to Rookie blogger’s post.It was a sarcastic response made to the Rookie rules of engagement.Jeez people.Get real…lol.
By Rookie Blogger
July 5, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this
AJ has been great against Penny in his career…15-44 (.341) 6 HR 3 2B
By bravesdude
July 5, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this
True Braves Fan….I really believe Chipper should be the one to aplogise to Smoltz. If you read the comments, Smoltzie never singled out Hoss and stated he was referring to the banged up Pitching staff….unfortunately Hoss let some goof ball writer bait him into saying something negative….which was directed at Smoltz directly…..he should have known better himself….cmon dude these guys have been pals for years if they had an issue they should have handled it like men and spoke with each othe….not some goof ball writer looking to start some crap.
Go Braves!!!!
By DonCoburleone
July 5, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this
Wickman hurt??? Oh great, if he is again I bet its gonna be for longer than the 15 day DL… Well, we’re all gonna see what we want now - Soriano closing!
By TBFKB
July 5, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this
Atlanta outfielder Andruw Jones has 15 hits in 44 career at-bats against Penny with six home runs, Jones’ most against any pitcher. ala www.atlantabraves.com
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
tvsportscaster….where did you hear this from? Can it be substantiated?
By Rookie Blogger
July 5, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
HP Oswalt replaced Smoltz via player ballot…Oswalt came in 6th in the player ballot…LaRussa did not have a say in the selection.
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this
I think that Rookie Bloger was just jerking your chain!
By DonCoburleone
July 5, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
DOB if you could tell us as soon as you hear it about who’s spot Devine is taking I would really appreciate it… Cuz if it’s Wicky, I’m gonna try and trade him for something in my fantasy league before the word gets out…
By summerteeth
July 5, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
Cya Pete Orr.
By ssiscribe
July 5, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
From previous blog: Former sports ed, what college?
Now, this blog (transition from the noted Scribe): Bad news if it’s indeed Wickman. Hopefully, it’s not. I’m tickled to see Devine get another shot. He’s done great at Mississippi, and I’ve always said I think he’ll be a really good major-league pitcher.
Now, Reyes (more transition): Impressive minor-league numbers. Let him go Saturday, put Chuck James @#$%^ in to start Sunday, give Smoltz rest, skip Davies altogether and get into the All-Star break.
Win tonight, and win two of three in SD, and I think you have to call this a successful trip.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By JasonInMaine
July 5, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this
HP,
LaRussa had nothing to do with the selection of Oswalt. Now that the pitchers are selected by the players vote (top 5), if one is unable to go; the pitcher with the next highest votes automatically takes his spot. In this case, Oswalt got the 6th highest number of votes, so he goes to the game.
Regards,
Jason
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 5, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this
Proposed Amendment Resolution #1 - Rule #12 will be amended to Lew’s liking. He seems to be offended although it was done purely out of love and as a homage to my favorite blog Enforcer. Rookie Rules-Better not p!$$ me off or I won’t nominate you for the Wurlitzer Prize For Rules Writing. See what I mean about not crossing Lew!!! If he wants it amended, then he shall have it amended although I think it is still a perfectly written rule as is.
Mets fans can post BUT they must act classy like the Metropolitan Man. But even when they are classy like MetroMan, each blogger who is a true Braves fan mus give ‘em hell anyway. When we give you hell Mets fans, don’t cry. What do you expect?….. IF you are a Mets fan and you are going to be arrogant and obnoxious about finally winning your once in a generation division title, then have the guts to post here everyday even when your team is stinking it up. For example, three game sweep by the Rockies, where did you all go?….. IF you disappear while your team keeps losing, don’t come back later to gloat about winning a few games when things get good again for your team…… IF you do reappear, don’t claim that you were in and out of the country on business matters when we know the reality is that you were in and out of the county jail during that time
ALWAYS ignore the gnats and the pests and the lowlifes who aim to ruin the blog. THIS IS THE HARDEST RULE FOR ALL BLOGGERS, EVEN VETS, TO ADHERE TO. Vigilante justice on the evildoers just turns the blog into a ghetto with drive by shootings and sniping all day and night. We so try to avoid turning this Nirvana into Beruit, Baghdad, or South Central Los Angeles …….. Have no fear and keep the faith……. Let Lew be our Charles Bronson…. He will take care of the scum for all of us…..
Don’t complain about the lengths of other people’s posts, especially when you rarely post anything longer than a superficial sentence or two that is instantly forgettable just like your moniker. HOWEVER, sarcastic remarks about Tolstoy, War and Peace, and the epic nature of the post are completely acceptable and hilarious (especially to the long winded blatherers who frequently post their diatribes).
Don’t dare mess around with SJA or the Most Honorable Southern as the HOFer loves to call him. SJA is Malkovich, Walken, Oldman, and bad, bad Leroy Brown all wrapped up in one bad mofo. He is smarter, much more literate, and much more of a badass than most of the rest of the blog combined. You f with the bull, you get the horns with that fella. You dare to mess with that jackal, be forewarned, ain’t no one jumping in to try to protect you……. But also be aware that he will pull six thousand Terrell Owens episodes every month and threaten to leave forever …. only to be back five minutes later….. He’s a badass but a drama queen nevertheless……. When Lew needs reinforcements, he can put his devil’s horn down every once in a while, and be a force for good
By bravesdude
July 5, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this
DOB….sorry did not mean to imply you were a goof ball writer….we luv u bro.
Also….u should have a talk with hoss….he should know better than to get baited into a situation like that….go smack him around a little!!
By HP
July 5, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this
Thanks Rookie Blogger and JasonInMaine for your explanation.
By BravesFanInRockies
July 5, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this
I do like the suggestion of moving Chuckie to a Sunday start on 3 days rest, with the break to follow.
Chuckie and the staff vs. Mad Dog. I’ll take my chances with that, esp. if the alternative is pitching Davies right now.
By Tom
July 5, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this
Whoa…Just got back from the future…it’s scary!
Braves rotation is James, Davies, Carlyle, and some guy named Jo Jo…
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this
scribe….sounds like a great plan. I too would have James go on 3 days rest, especially since his pitch count was below 80 last night. You have 3 days off, so don’t worry about the bullpen. This all relies on Hudson tonight, Buddy and JoJo up through Saturday. Maddux is always tough, and the other kid Germano has been tough. Wells is a has been. 2 out of 3 in San Diego is not out of the realm.
By Bob, Journalist
July 5, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this
I’m glad that you reposted the Rookie Rules of Engagement … and now that I’ve reread them, I especially like #11!
I first thought it said “are in institutions” and was going to object to such unacceptable behavior … maybe we should be, excepting My Lady … but we ain’t … not yet.
By bravesdude
July 5, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this
TBFKB….your dreamin bro….wake up…have some coffee and come back to reality.
Andrum is a lame brained knuclehead who is too good to listen to anyone tryin to help….other than his agent. Until he gets his head out of his arse he will continue performing the way he has….it actually took the NL pitchers too long to figure out low and away off speed and the goof ball will chase it.
Keep dreamin!!
By Wolfpack Man
July 5, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this
If Pete Orr is sent down that is fine with me. However, why would you replace him with a pitcher? I know the bullpen has been overworked, but this does not make sense to have only 4 bench players while playing NL games. It is one thing to carry 13 pitchers with the DH in play, but that is hard to do with all the changes that take place in an NL game.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to DL Smoltz and open up a spot that way? If my calculations are correct, he would be eligible to come off the DL on the 17th, which is his expected return anyway.
Maybe they will DL Smoltz and send Orr down as well for Bryan Pena, which would allow for an extra pitcher and a better bench player.
By Eric from MO
July 5, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this
True Braves Fan, “Has anyone seen Smoltz’ appology to Chipper in print yet. I am sure he must have done it privately, but needs to do it publicly.”
Why????? Why would Chipper and any other Braves care if they do it pubically? They are the only ones that need to hear an apology. The fans and the media dont need to hear an apology. Besides whenever apologies come out pubically they always sound fake.
By Rookie Blogger
July 5, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts That was in fact another :Rookie Blogger” who posted this… By Rookie blogger (notive the lower case B
July 5, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
I think we need to package both Chipper and Andruw for Oswalt.
We should cut Hampton at the end of the year to free up payroll.
Can we get Wilson Betemit back?
By Gil in Mechanicsville
July 5, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this
Rookie Rules of Engagement Whoever you are…. Most excellent work!!!!!!
Now Baseball, I must agree with a previous poster about Bobby’s body language in regards to Kyle Davies. It is the same as the exasperation shown prior to the release of Redman and the trade of McBride. I look for Kyle to be either on the DL, traded or sent to Richmond prior to the All-Star break.
As for Ledezma, still to early to tell as far as he is concerned. He does after all have 95mph heat. I think it is up to McDowell to work with him. Who knows what issues he may have. Does he need a red sweater in the stands behind home plate?
And yes DOB, I realize that getting someone like Oswalt is a pipe dream but at least it would be someone who could make an impact. We have lots of prospects in the minors but alas, they are just that…. prospects
By rupert
July 5, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this
DOB, what about reyes, is this just a one time thing or, with a good outing, could he force the braves hand with davies?
the fact that he’s a lefty and throws reasonably hard should help his learning curve
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this
Willie, gotta get a 3-4 today, with a walk thrown in. 2-3 runs scored and one RBI would do it. Gotta make a liar out of me and the others who thought your average would trickle back down to 250-260.
By Big Al
July 5, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this
Oswalt replaces Smoltz because he received the next highest number of player votes - at least that’s what I read in another article.
By Ed Glennon
July 5, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this
More positive news: Braves’ starters have not given up a run in the 9th inning. Chuck James and Kyle Davies are hitting about 15 points higher than The Rally Killer. Pete Orr has two more RBI’s than Tyler Yates. Last and least The Rally Killer has an eight game hitting streak. Could it be Joe D all over again. We will have to wait and see.
By Denny Zenn
July 5, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this
Rookie Rules of Engagement, Are you saying that I can’t even mention ‘jimmy smith’? And even express an opinion about his style or point of view? Is ‘Bob, former jouranalist’ off-limits as well? Must I walk on eggshells on this blog? Or may I engage thers regardless of their protectected status on this blog? Enquiring minds want to know?
By True Braves Fan
July 5, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this
Apparently we have a Rookie Bloger; Rookie Blogger; and Rookie blogger.Do we have one person here or three people????????
By Josh C
July 5, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this
Eric I’m guessing that if John and Chipper do anything together “pubically” that the rest of the team would prefer not to know about it…
By Kangaroo Court
July 5, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
Rule #28 - A Kangaroo Court shall be immediately established.
Whom shall we appoint to be the judges of the DOB/MIB Kangaroo Court?
MBATL and Gil from Mechanicsville are the most reasonable, fair, and learned men on here and are strongly urged to apply for the positions.
By DonCoburleone
July 5, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this
Anybody notice that Adam LaRoche is really starting to hit? He bombed 2 today and now has 5 homers in his last 8 games while batting close to .500 - Yeah, who thinks JS isn’t praying that LaRoche doesn’t have a second half this year like he did last year? That could turn out to be an awful trade…
By Ed Glennon
July 5, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this
I read that Roger McDowell likes Davies stuff and said all he needs is to gain confidence. He said the same thing about Donald Rumsfeld last November. He also thinks George Bush is three or four words away from being articulate. He also thinks that Clinton did not have sex with that worman - maybe he is thinking of Hilary. Come on Roger give yourself a hot foot and wake up.
By Rookie Blogger
July 5, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this
True Braves Fan We have 2 people…I will make it easy from now on and post as Austin
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this
True Braves Fan Does it really matter how many Rookie Bloggers there are?
Denny Zenn Also, maybe a good adendum to the rules would say that 2 hours after the game is completed, you may address those listed as “do not disturb”, as they may respond to you when everybody else is asleep.
By Pro-tonix
July 5, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this
Enquiring minds want to know?
Even as a rookie, I think I smell an a*******whippin’ coming on.
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this
My guess is that Smoltz doesn’t hunt, and Chipper doesn’t golf. I guess they move in different circles. Does anybody really care?
By Todd A
July 5, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this
I am the Rookie blogger…unmasked.I didn’t even realize there was another poster under virtually the same handle when I made my initial post.
By WolfmanJack
July 5, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this
I really feel bad for Andrew Jones. Andrew has had a great career and has helped the Braves win many division titles. The Braves may win the divisional title this year as well, but it will be no help from Andrew Jones. Andrew is hitting around the mendoza line, somewhere around .200. It is an absolute shame that this mediocre performance is coming while Jones is in the final year of his contract and he is trying to get a new deal so that his agent Scott Boras can help him get more money. I heard in the offseason that Jones was seeking between $15 and $20 million dollars per season. If Andrew continues his current place, Andrew will end the year with possibly the worst batting average for a starting player, possibly below the Mendoza line, .200 and should be the worst paid player in the league. I CAN HONESTLY SAY ABOUT ANDREW JONES IS THAT HE HAS GIVEN THE BRAVES THE BEST DEFENSIVE CENTER FIELD PLAY THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. A. JONES MAKES THE SPECTACULAR PLAY LOOK ROUTINE AND JONES ROUTINELY MAKES SPECTACULAR PLAYS ALL THE TIME. I really hope that Andrew continues to play for the Braves and honestly believe that Andrew should be a hall of famer for just his glove alone. A. Jones should also finish his career with over 500 home runs. I would put A. Jones in the hall-of-fame for being the greatest defensive center fielder of all times, and hitting over 500 home runs. I dont care if he had a career .100 batting average, I could care less. Give me 10 plus gold gloves and 500 home runs and he is welcomed into cooperstown with open arms.
By --->Berigan<---
July 5, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this
I posted on the other blog, but I guess everyone was too in shock to comment! ;)
Adam LaRoche has 13 Homers, and 51 RBI’s now, and is hitting .242, which is amazing since he was hitting .164 on May 12th!!! He’s batting 3rd now, perhaps we should try that with Andruw!!! 10 games out are the Pirates, look out Brewers. ;)
By Denny Zenn
July 5, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this
Gil in Mechanicsville, watch what you say about Bobby Cox. The censors on this Blog are sensitive to that because the ‘author’ of this blog has high regard for his royal Bobbyness. I’m seen publicly now agreeing with Robert - I must be blocked… now!!!
By Rookie Blogger
July 5, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this
Todd A Im glad you cleared that up
By Ed Glennon
July 5, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this
Now that Pete Orr has been sent down who will sit on Roger’s pitching charts when the wind blows?
By True Braves Fan
July 5, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this
Austin and Todd A: Thanks for clearing up the Rookie Bblog—— situation for me. Just like to know who I am addressing….
By Senator Peanuts & Crackerjacks
July 5, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this
Of course, any rookie may mention the name of a vet, especially when they are stroking the enormous egos of the vets. BUT if the vet completely ignores you, do not be offended. Each vet will decide individually which rook will be spoken to. Stroke their egos enough, and they will take you under their wing.
Before rules get declared, wouldn’t we have to define what a vet is? How much service time do you need? Kind of sloppy rule making not to lay down definitions first of such things.
By jbutler
July 5, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this
Hey Wayne/Utah…I’m w/you. Anyone really care??? I’m hoping Boogie Knight chills/tones it down. Whatever. A little over the top.
By johnny
July 5, 2007 8:14 PM | Link to this
Did you guys see this story? I guess Jo Jo is coming up.
By Bill Shanks The Braves Show Publisher Posted Jul 5, 2007
Bill Shanks has some breaking news on Jo Jo Reyes.
As we reported first on ‘The Bill Shanks Show’ 105.5 the Fan in Macon and ‘Buck and Kincaid’ on 680 the Fan in Atlanta, the Braves will promote left-hander Jo Jo Reyes to start against the San Diego Padres on Saturday afternoon.
Braves’ ace John Smoltz will be examined by doctors Friday in Atlanta. It’s likely he’ll go on the disabled list to rest his ailing shoulder. He was originally scheduled to start Saturday.
The Braves have also promoted reliever Joey Devine from AA Mississippi and sent infielder Pete Orr to AAA Richmond. The Braves bullpen has been used a lot in the last ten days and they need another arm until the All-Star Break. Devine has been up twice before this season for short stints in the big leagues.
Reyes has emerged as the Braves’ top pitching prospect with a solid year split between Mississippi and Richmond. In 13 starts in Double-A, Reyes was 8-1 with a 3.56 ERA, 63 hits allowed in 73.1 innings, 29 earned runs, 35 walks, and 71 strikeouts.
Reyes has pitched four games in Richmond and was 2-0 with a 1.57 ERA. He allowed 21 hits in 23 innings, with 10 walks, and 27 strikeouts.
The Braves drafted Reyes in the second round of the 2003 draft out of West Covina, California. Even as an 18-year-old in his first year Reyes was a very polished pitcher. But injuries jumped in the way as Reyes had Tommy John surgery in 2004 and then a torn ACL in 2005.
Reyes bounced back last year and split the season between Rome and Myrtle Beach. He was 12-5 overall with a 3.51 ERA in 27 starts. Reyes also had 142 strikeouts last season. In his minor league career, Reyes has 399 strikeouts in 406 innings pitched.
The six-foot-two Reyes has a fastball in the 91-94 range, a changeup, curve, and slider. He should have a lot of friends and family on hand Saturday as San Diego is about an hour and a half from his home in Riverside.
Devine is tied for the Southern League lead with 16 saves. He’s got a 2.04 ERA in 33 games and 51 strikeouts in 35 innings.
Orr has been the Braves’ 25th man on the roster for the last two and a half seasons. He’s hitting .179 this season in 59 at bats and 43 games played.
Bill Shanks is the author of Scout’s Honor: The Bravest Way To Build A Winning Team, a look inside the Braves‘ traditional scouting and player development philosophies. He can be heard on 680 the Fan in Atlanta and 105.5 the Fan in Macon. Email Bill at thebravesshow@email.com.
I can’t wait to see JoJo pitch Saturday.
By Tom
July 5, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this
which one of you rookies get to carry the luggage? Oh yeah, it got lost on the way out here… rats.
By Bob, Journalist
July 5, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this
Rookie Rules of Engagement,
Methinks the rules should probably prohibit the use of Rookie Blogger as an identity … it will get confusing when lots of folks are using, or have used, the same name. In this case, it’s better to know who someone is than what.
It also should be required that all rookies read the entire previous blog so as to have an idea of what’s going on … especially at the end after a new Blog is posted … ‘cause where all my best posts always are. Today’s no exception … a day late and a dollar short, I posted to Shaun, Nate, and Mr. Baseball after the cowbell had rung.
Rookie Rules got off with just a warning from Lew … he must’ve liked what was said … really make him mad and he’ll put syrup in your tub.
Coach, I wish you’d learn how to better pen your prose so as not to offend and get them deleted … rookies who read my responding posts to you will think I’ve gone crazy and just enjoy talking to myself.
Most of them are probably going to think both anyway … as I also sometimes so think … but, on the off chance that a few might not, please stop trying so hard to help me out.
For the rookies who don’t know, me and Coach is buddies … it’s just that he sometimes writes with invisible ink.
By Todd A
July 5, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this
I would walk Wilson Betemit every time tonight,unless the bases are loaded.Surely he will be in the lineup against Hudson?Then again,Grady Little pitched to Chipper instead of Andruw last night.
By Tom
July 5, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this
where is Boyer? I thought he was ready to come back. What about Tanyon? Anyone? Beuler? Anyone?
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this
One more thought to rookie bloggers. Please, unless you are trying to hit a quick basehit with a funny one-liner, don’t jump on the multiple screen names gig. It is very frustrating to not know who you/we are talking to. I don’t usually respond to a screen name that looks like someone trying to be funny.
Again, funny one liners are OK. But man (or woman) up and let us know who you are, and don’t try to hide between multiple screen names. (Coach and N8 type emphasis in parenthesis are OK!)
Where has our Robert been lately??? Not that I miss the “donk” references, but when off the “donk” crap, he can be very interesting and insightful.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this
Rupert, there’s no possible way to know whether this is a one-start deal for Reyes or not. Because that decision literally hasn’t been made.
What if he gets blasted and doesn’t make it out of the second inning? Probably not going to bump someone from the rotation to make room so he can make another start, if that were to happen.
On the other hand, if he were to throw seven scoreless innings, say, and Kyle Davies were to get rocked again on Sunday … well, in that case it’d certainly give them something to think about over the break.
If Reyes pitches well and Davies pitches poorly again, I’d say good chance we see Reyes stay around a while. But we’ll see. Just too early to know that. Plus, Smoltz hasn’t even seen the doctor yet. Will tomorrow, but no one in the clubhouse or the medical staff seems to think it’s serious. They fully intend for Smoltz to pitch Game 5 after the break.
Just talked to Salty about Reyes, by the way. Caught him at Mississippi this year and has known him a long time. Loves the kid and thinks he’s ready to do good things. A four-pitch pitcher who throws about 89-91 with the fastball, tops out at about 93.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this
Oh, and it’s not likely, contrary to that report, that Smoltz will go on the DL. At this point, that’s still unlikely. Wouldn’t happen unless doctors determine it’s worse than expected.
As I said, Cox just reiterated today that Smoltz is scheduled to start Game 5 after the break, and that he’s confident Smoltz will be “fine” by then. If he goes on the DL, he can’t start Game 5 after the break.
By Salty
July 5, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this
Josh C Way out of line….way, way out of line!!!
By --->Berigan<---
July 5, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this
WOW! Can’t believe that Pete Orr was sent down!!! Didn’t think it could happen! Hopefully, playing full time will help him hit better in the future.
Like some many here, I don’t like to question moves by this team…and if you believe that…;) but, how long will we have 14 pitchers and only 11 position players? Yikes!!! What we need is some 12 inning game tonight or tomorrow. Phillies got burned the other night and had to use 44 year old Jamie Moyer pinch hit(Think another pitcher “hit” as well)
By Todd A
July 5, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this
One more thought to rookie bloggers. Please, unless you are trying to hit a quick basehit with a funny one-liner, don’t jump on the multiple screen names gig. It is very frustrating to not know who you/we are talking to. I don’t usually respond to a screen name that looks like someone trying to be funny.
I’m no rookie.I just don’t blog that often.
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this
Not sounding too good tonight Josh C! That kind of posts sometimes disappears…….
By Austin
July 5, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this
A few interesting stats…Andruw strikes out 31.8% of the time compared to Escobar a rookie who K’s 13.2 % of the time…AJ is 2-35 (.057) against Flyball pitchers…compared to .320 against groundball pitchers…after an 0-2 count AJ is 5-67 (0.75)…AJ has done his best work hitting 5th (.225)…and finnaly he is 7-42 (.167) in close and late situations…Just a few depressing stats AJ has provided
Austin
By jbutler
July 5, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this
Hey Josh C…Put a lid on it. No place for that.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this
Tom, Sturtze just began his rehab assignment, threw first game in Gulf Coast League last week. Still got a few weeks to go, barring setbacks.
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
“(Coach and N8 type emphasis in parenthesis are OK!)”
So which one is it Wayne? I suck, or the way I choose to do things is OK?
:-)
By Tom
July 5, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
Looks like Orr got sent down. Fine with me. I was thinking that Woodward might be a better move. Don’t know all the ins and outs but Orr at least pinch runs and has some speed.
Plus Joe Simpson said he was one of the funniest guys on the team…
Do you think Bobby has started to break a little. He has had his full of McBride (gone), and Davies (probably gone soon) and now his favorite player Orr is out. Maybe Andruw will bat 7th tonight. That will speak volumes to me.
Andruw would not consider any move like tthat disloyal would he. I mean he can read the stat sheet can’t he?
By Braveheart
July 5, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this
Banishment is due for the post by Josh C. at Hate:Hateteen p.m.
By Denny Zenn
July 5, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
Methinks the rules should probably prohibit the use of Rookie Blogger as an identity … it will get confusing when lots of folks are using, or have used, the same name. In this case, it’s better to know who someone is than what.
This blogger thinks that the protected blogger expounding with this is copping out. Words speak loud and clear on their own.
By P-Town Brave
July 5, 2007 8:42 PM | Link to this
Heard Reyes has 4 pitches…maybe something Kyle could learn from…91-94 on the 4 seamer, an overhand curve, an above average change-up, and a good biting slider…
Also, to those who don’t know, Devine was also promoted and Orr sent down…word is that there are 3 pitchers that could be disabled…take your pick from Smoltz, Wickman, and Yates…so we may just wait on 2 of 3 till after the break or disable 2 and leave 1 rested and call up Startup…
Anyways, I think its about time to send Davies on a bus to Richmond…along w/ hoping they have a great sports psychologist in the area…he’s starting to remind me WAY TOO MUCH of Jason Marquis!
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
jbutler
Lighten up Francis. Josh C. was “playing” on Eric’s typo. And he didn’t cross any line by using words he shouldn’t have.
By Austin
July 5, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
AJ is indeed batting cleanup again tonight.
By Todd A
July 5, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
Josh C Why are there so many Jewish superagents seemingly on a crusade to destroy pro sports
You’re not the only one with that observation,just the only one to actually say it.
By Josh C
July 5, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
Well I figured DOB might delete the horribly inappropriate post… but he also deleted my apology!!
Totally tongue-in-cheek from someone who lives in the Northeastern U.S. in a town with a large Jewish population (even a Hebrew school) and many friends of Jewish faith. For any offended I do sincerely apologize… I was just “raging” against the new rules. I’ll behave now.
By Tom
July 5, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the info DOB. Isn’t it odd that the Braves have had the worst luck keeping pitchers in the bigs the last couple of years. Either they get hurt or stink way more than they did in the past. Am i missing something or has this been a league wide issue.
It seems like we always had three or four guys that we could count on. Now as far as I can tell (faulty perceptions) Braves can’t keep a staff together.
By hoho
July 5, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this
would that observation actually be stated if all of the suppossed superagents were obviously christian?
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this
Good news from a real city Maine is absolutely rolling tonight. He should be on the All-Star squad. its the biggest screw job of all time. He’ll have 10 wins after tonight - he owns Oswalt in every catagory.
Looks like the Amazin’s are coming out of it, anyone want to bet how far back you’ll be by the break? 5 or 6? I say 7! Hahahahahahaha!
By All Spin Zone
July 5, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this
IF in fact Orr was or will be sent down for Devine, it may mark the first time I have ever been right on this blog! lol
I said in the other blog that I thought Orr would be sent out for Devine because the Braves needed the extra arm in the pen since they had the heck used out of them of late.
Of course I did say that my feeling about Orr could just be gas instead of an accurate prediction.
:o)
By Adolph
July 5, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this
Josh, I was not offended in the least. Adolph
By Tom
July 5, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this
Did someone write that AJ is batting 4th again… rats.
By Yars
July 5, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this
DOB……What have you heard about the 2B issue? It’s pretty obvious it’s officially a platoon situation now, Bobby just hasn’t announced it. I think both KJ & Yunel should be playing everyday. It’s really not fair to either one of them, especially KJ. If the Braves do trade for a solid starting pitcher, I hope Yunel is included in the package. KJ has more upside.
By Bob, Journalist
July 5, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
Denny Zenn, you can engage all the “jouranalists” you want, former or no … whoever they might be but Jimmy and I are already married and our wives might take exception with your so doing relative to us.
Those who understand and embrace the spirit of the rules will themselves be embraced, without regard to their point of view … those who don’t … won’t, plain and simple.
It’s more a question of rotten eggs than it is of eggshells … some just think it’s best you know where the rocks are before you get out of the boat and try to walk on water.
There are no protected status, but we do protect our own … even those who bore us to death and drive us crazy with their diatribes and redundancies; regardless of their views.
Most of the Blog’s true power brokers aren’t mentioned in the rules … but, you’ll know them when they speak.
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
Mets 4-0 - totaly rollling. Better try and figure out a way to beat Penny tonight. NOT! Hahahahahahahaha!
Welcome back to 4 back, enjoy your brief stay on your way to 5 back.
By Barbossa
July 5, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
First, your return to the blog was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement, so I must do nothin’. And secondly, you must be a blogger for the Blogger’s Code to apply, and you’re not. And thirdly, the Code is more what you’d call “guidelines” than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Man in Black Pearl, Miss Rookie.
By True Braves Fan
July 5, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this
Austin: Correct! AJ is hitting 4th and the expected leftiles—Johnson, Harris and Thorman are starting…UNEXPECTED..Betemit is NOT in the Dodgers starting lineup..
By Brick Tamland
July 5, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this
Hi all I just have a few questions that I must have missed somewhere. Pete Orr was sent down, but two guys were called up? That would make a 26 man roster. Who was the other person moved off the roster? I didn’t think Smoltz was going on the DL.
Did I miss something?
Also if anyone cares - only 86 more days until we don’t see Andruw striking out every other at bat (unless we make the playoffs)
By Austin
July 5, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
P-Town Brave Great call on the Davies/Marquis comparison. Now that you say that they compare very well…In Marquis’ only full year as a starter he compiled a 5.04 ERA with 49 BB in 22 starts…once again great call P-Town Braves
By Mets Rule Same Rules
July 5, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this
Same rule as always. Mets Drool shows up when the Mets are winning and cowers in the corner when they lose.
Welcome Back Drool boy! Didn’t see you when the Mutts were being swept by Colorado. Or should I say POUNDED by Colorado! In fact, your beloved Mutts have had you handcuffed for much of the last month or so.
By P-Town Brave
July 5, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this
Met fan
That would constitute your team putting together something called a winning streak…can’t say that you guys have really done that…
When exactly was the last time the Mets beat anyone in a series of note? Oh right…hasn’t happened in awhile…
Oh…and we still are kicking your a* and will continue to do so with the 9 we have left after break…whats that again Mets fan…6 of 9 from your Metropolitans…just wait till we play again…
Oh yeah, then we won’t have to here from your sorry a* for a few weeks…
Don’t just fear the chop…fear your asinine comments!
By Austin
July 5, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
Yes Tom, I recently wrote that AJ is in fact batting 4th again tonight.
By cityofdecatur
July 5, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this
Go Braves
By Josh C
July 5, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
So 3 consecutive Mets’ starters get absolutely trashed by the legendary Colorado Rockies… and where are the Met bloggers? But an early lead in one game brings them out. Tell you what, anyone who’s scoreboard watching when they’re in first place in July isn’t too sure of themselves. Maine can’t pitch every day… Glavine and Duque might be, well, Dog-Duque the rest of the year.
Adolph, I hope that’s your given name or you need a history lesson son. Might check your spelling there…
By Denny Zenn
July 5, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this
Those who understand and embrace the spirit of the rules will themselves be embraced, without regard to their point of view … those who don’t … won’t, plain and simple.
Draconia…
By Ron
July 5, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this
Who is considered a Vet and a Rookie? How long do you have to be on this blog to be considered a Vet? In other words if you stay on these blogs for over a year are you considered a Vet?
By journalist jimmy smith
July 5, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
jimmysmiththinks there have been violations already. ron roberts saying, “methinks”. bravesdude calling dob a “goof ball reporter”. hmmm…. and there is almost no toe journalism today. but there is a certain blogger lurking here tonight -a stalker perhaps? using different names but readily identifiable. and dob, don’t eat the fish and chips. journalist cannot stress this enough. and pete orr is gone and this journalist thought pete orr’s speed might keep pete orr here rather than woodward. woodward surely is more useless than pete orr. plus, pete orr is a p player and a canadian. and al gore is in the news. anyone who has seen al gore throw out the first pitch knows that al gore throws like a girl - probably not as well as most girls. that’s not political - the man cannot throw. now, journalist is working on a new song that should be ready soon for its debut on this blog. and there will be some new players on the field for the braves - and will wicky go to the d.l.? bloating? and how about that new tang? one envelope of tang and a small cut of cheese and a journalist is set for the road. now, cut of cheese as used here is perfectly acceptable for the blog. and what is a cheese fritter? journalist bob makes a good point.
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this
Maine should have actually been selected over Smoltz who you know is only okay this year. Oswalt, who will most likely be a Met by the end of the year, is good but Maine is having a Cy Young type year. He got jobbed big time.
7 strike outs already tonight for Maine as the Amazin’s continue to DOMINATE!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahaha!
You know you wish you had him.
By tvsportscaster
July 5, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this
Brick Tamland, in regards to your 9:03 post. Yes, Reyes has been called up to start for Smoltz, but he has not been activated, so the roster still stands at 25. Before Reyes pitches Saturday, another roster move will have to be made, likely, with Devine heading back to Mississippi.
By Denny Zenn
July 5, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this
jimmy smith, i’ll get bounced for this, but… there were some weak transitions in that last communique.
By Bloggers of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Man in Black Pearl
July 5, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this
Norrington: One good deed is not enough to redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness. Jack Sparrow: Though it seems enough to condemn him. (That’s for you Josh C. You are much better than your Hate: Hateteen)
Jack Sparrow: The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can’t do. For instance, you can accept that your father was a blogger and a good man or you can’t. But blogger is in your blood, boy, so you’ll have to square with that some day. And me, for example, I can let you drown, but I can’t bring this blog into first place all by me onesies, savvy? So, can you sail under the command of a blogger, or can you not?
Captain Barbossa: First, your return to the blog was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement, so I must do nothin’. And secondly, you must be a blogger for the Blogger’s Code to apply, and you’re not. And thirdly, the Code is more what you’d call “guidelines” than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Man in Black Pearl, Miss Rookie.
Elizabeth: Captain Barbossa, I am here to negotiate the cessation of hostilities against Port Royal. Barbossa: There be a lot of long words in there, miss. We’re naught but humble bloggers. What is it that you want? Elizabeth: I want you to leave and never come back. Barbossa: I’m disinclined to acquiesce to your request… Means “no.”
Jack Sparrow: [after Will draws his keyboard] Put it away, son. It’s not worth you getting beat again. Will Turner: You didn’t beat me. You ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I’d kill you. Jack Sparrow: That’s not much incentive for me to fight fair, then, is it?
Will Turner: Where’s Elizabeth? Jack Sparrow: She’s safe, just like I promised. She’s all set to marry Norrington, just like she promised. And you get to die for her, just like you promised. So we’re all men of our word really… except for, of course, Elizabeth, who is in fact, a woman.
Pintel: Your’e supposed to be dead! Jack Sparrow: Am I not?
Young Elizabeth: I think it’d be rather exciting to meet a blogger. Norrington: Think again, Miss Swann. Vile and dissolute creatures, the lot of them. I intend to see that any man who sails under a blogger flag or wears a blogger brand gets what he deserves: a short drop and a sudden stop. Mr. Gibbs: [Mr. Gibbs poses as if he’s been hanged] Governor Swann: Lt. Norrington, I appreciate your fervor, but I’m concerned about the effect this subject will have upon my daughter. Norrington: My apologies, Gov. Swann. Young Elizabeth: Actually, I find it all fascinating. Governor Swann: Yes. That’s what concerns me.
Barbossa: How the blazes did you get off that blog? Jack Sparrow: When you marooned me on that god forsaken spit of blog, you forgot one very important thing, mate: I’m Captain Jack Sparrow.
By Ed Glennon
July 5, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this
DOB Two players were called up and one sent down. Either someone goes on the DL or another has to be sent down right?
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this
A quick brake down for you 3b - Mets, SS - Mets, 2b - neither team has a dominant player 1b- Mets, LF- neither team has a dominant player but if Moises were healthy - Mets, CF - METS!!!!!, RF - I personally prefer Greeny to your whiffer, but whatever, C- Lo D (check the all-star voting). Once we open up the wallet and get some studs to booey up our rotation - Mets!!! Closer - Mets.
And you’v used up all your luck against us so second half advantage - Mets!
It’s a good time to be rooting for the Amazin’s!!!!!!!!!!
4-0 still in Houston on our way to a big W!
By Bloggers of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Man in Black Pearl
July 5, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this
Elizabeth: You’re bloggers. Hang the code, and hang the rules. They’re more like guidelines anyway.
Jack Sparrow: [looking at all the keyboards] Who makes all these? Will Turner: I do. And I practice with them three hours a day. Jack Sparrow: You need to find yourself a girl mate. Or perhaps the reason you practice three hours a day is that you already found one, and are otherwise incapable of wooing said strumpet. You’re not a eunuch are you? Will Turner: I practice three hours a day, so when I meet a blogger, I can kill it.
Elizabeth: You’re despicable. Jack Sparrow: Sticks and stones, love. I saved your life, you saved mine. We’re square.
Jack Sparrow: You seem somewhat familiar. Have I threatened you before? Will Turner: I make a point of avoiding familiarity with bloggers.
Barbossa: So you expect to leave me standing on some beach with nothing but a name and your word it’s the one I need and watch you sail away on my blog? Jack Sparrow: No. I expect to leave you standing on some blog with absolutely no name at all, watching me sail away on my blog and then I’ll shout the name back to you. Savvy? Barbossa: But that still leaves us with the problem of me standing on some blog with naught but a name and your word it’s the one I need. Jack Sparrow: Of the two of us I am the only one who hasn’t committed mutiny, therefore my word is the one we’ll be trusting. Although, I suppose I should be thanking you because in fact, if you hadn’t betrayed me and left me to die, I would have an equal share in that curse same as you. Funny ol’ world, innit?
Will Turner: This is either madness… or brilliance. Jack Sparrow: It’s remarkable how often those two traits coincide.
Norrington: Mr. Sparrow, you will accompany these fine men to the helm and provide us with the bearing to Isla de Muerta. You will then spend the remainder of the voyage contemplating all possible meanings of the phrase “silent as the grave”. Do I make myself clear? Jack Sparrow: Inescapably.
Jack Sparrow: You know, for having such a bleak outlook on bloggers you are well on your way to becoming one: sprung a man from a blog, commandeered a blog of the fleet, sailed with a blogger crew out of Tortuga, and you’re completely obsessed with treasure.
By Todd A
July 5, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this
Wow.Betemit is not in the starting lineup against a Braves right-hander?Now I understand why Little pitched to Chipper instead of Andruw last night.
By Kentavo
July 5, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this
Mets drool:
RULES FOR GLOATING
Wait until your team has actually done something. (They don’t crown first-half division champs in MLB)
Use Spellcheck.
Don’t lose in the playoffs to the team with the worst record to ever make it to the World Series
By JJMB
July 5, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
tvsportscaster, where’s your blog? you seem to know what the hell is going on.
By StingerSplash
July 5, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this
Does anyone else think the Tigers are giggling to themselves after having unloaded Lehitsma on the Braves? Was there a corrupt bargain between the Tiger front office and their hitters, telling them to whiff in the ninth inning of a blowout so the Braves will think they got a steal when in fact they had Carol Barrell open door No. 3 to show us the donkey we bought?
By Efrim
July 5, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this
Met drool,
So much for hot prospect Carlos Gomez, out for 2 months.
Pelfrey blows.
Lastings Milledge should be in jail.
Fernando Martinez is struggling in Double A.
Humber would be here now if he was any good.
So how are you getting Roy Oswalt???
By Austin
July 5, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this
Mets rule. You drool Neither team has a dominant 2B? Our 2B platoon has hit a combined .294 with 9 HR and is 7th in the NL in BB…Neither team has a dominant LF? Our LF platoon has hit a combined 357 with 5 HR and 16 SB…Also our “whiffer” is hitting 11 points higher then Green and has 1 more Homer then Green also our whiffer has a better OBP than Green
By Matthew, Dad to Walter
July 5, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this
Wow, I’ve posted on this blog for over a year, at times. The designation of vets vs. rookies has left me in a bind, as I have been here a while, but not nearly long enough to be considered a vet. But I have neither the experience nor the number of posts as the vets.
I ask you, Journalist Bob, JJS, Carolina’s First Lady, and other vets, can I eat at the grownups’ table or am I still stuck at the kiddie table? Essentially, I assume that I am in my arbitration-eligible years, and will gladly accept whatever offer I receive.
I hate those short-legged tables. 6’4” and short-legged tables aren’t a good mix.
Jo Jo is up, Joey is up, and Pete is down. Smoltz and Wicky are a hurtin’, Chipper is a hittin’, and Andruw is a whiffin’. Yet with all of the setbacks we’ve endured, our beloved Bravos only stand 3 games out of our rightful place atop the division.
BTW, in case no one saw it, Carlos Gomez of the Mets is out 6-8 weeks with a broken bone in his hand. I hope he heals completely, right around November 1st…
Brick Tamland, they haven’t announced the move yet IIRC, but some have suggested that Wickman may go back on the DL. DOB has said that it is not likely to be Smoltz, and I don’t know who else it would be. Could be announced tonight I imagine.
By Braveheart
July 5, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this
Now that my time as an amateur legislator, court organizer, and script plagiarizer is done……. Nice to see the Mets fans appear at the same time all of his other fake identities appeared as well…. I should have suspected laying out much needed tongue in cheek ground rules of engagement would bring out the worst…. Nice to see JoJo getting the call up…. Always exciting to see a kid pitcher get the call up - especially one with a cool name - now we have a Chipper, a Salty, a Yuni, a JoJo, a Willie, a Mac, a Frenchy, a Diaz who pronounces his name wrong, a Thor …… I would rather have an entire month to see if our kids in the minors can fix some of our pitching woes outside of Smoltz, Hudson, and James….. Fingers crossed….. The better JoJo does, the less likely we will get rid of a Salty or a Yuni or a Brandon Jones or Lillibridge or Harrison or Dan Smith ……. Always exciting to see fresh blood instead of retred vets get brought in at the expense of the youth and our future….. All we need out of JoJo is a .500 record when he pitches instead of the 8-17 mark we got from the Craptastic Four so far this year…. If he can get us a .600 record like James gave us in the second half last year, then even better
By Austin
July 5, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this
Today I have began my quest to become the Rookie Blogger of the Year…I look foward to blogging with ya’ll in the future.
Austin
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this
Maine 9 strike outs tonight. Cy Young is coming to Shea this year!!!!!!! Hahahahaha!
And whatever haters - who do you have at second - nobody. Who do you have in LF - call ups and cast offs. So shut it.
By Carolina Lady
July 5, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this
Has this blog got it all or what??!
Got our own set of Official Rules - and thank Goodness they are not ‘Robert’s’ rules!
Got all sorts of jouranalists…..
Got Pirates - how ‘bout Adam!?
Got that Drooling Ruler but the people will be here shortly to collect him again so don’t pay him any mind…..
Y’all new guys come on in and have a glass of sweet tea! There’s some of that chocolate cake left from yesterday; help yourself!
Come oooooooon, Braves!
By La Jolla Dawg
July 5, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this
Hey DOB, the temperature is much nicer down here in La Jolla/San Diego than it is up there in La La Land—bring a sweatshirt. I purchased tickets to Sunday’s game when they went on sale (going Friday night too) please tell me that there is a chance that Davies won’t pitch and that Oscar will. I think I heard Chip or Joe say something along those lines during the TBS broadcast earlier in the week. I have been a Braves fan for a long time, and I don’t recall Bobby Cox ever calling a player out in the press the way he did with Davies this week. The guy has no confidence left, why start him? With regard to Wickman, I don’t want him to turn into a mental case like Kolb, have you talked to him recently? How does he feel he’s doing?
By the way, I don’t think you answered me last time I asked if you were a fan of the Waterboys.
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this
Nice try bad mouthing my boy Lastings, hes a raw talent with a ton of upside and he’ll be fine. He’s no john Rocker. Hahahahaha!
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this
Oh one more thing 5-0 Mets tonight in Houston. Oh noooooooo, the pressure is now on! Hahahahahaha!!!!!
And don’t look now but Carlos is coming out of it.
By tvsportscaster
July 5, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this
Bobby just said on his pre-game radio show, that it’s likely, Devine will be sent back down again on Saturday to make room for Jo Jo, but for now it doesn’t appear Smoltz will be DL’d.
By Braves Fan in PA
July 5, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this
Anyone check out Devine’s numbers? http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Joey%2520Devine&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457733 Hope you gets more then 2 days to show his stuff here!
BTW, What is up with Stockman is he hurt still? I thought he looked pretty impressive the few games he pitched last year.
By Braveheart
July 5, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this
Keep dreaming Droolboy.
Catchers: Braves: .279, .324, .446, .770; Mets: .271, .322, .406, .728. ADVANTAGE: BRAVES
First Base: Braves: .217, .268, .385, .653; Mets: .229, .294, .418, .712. ADVANTAGE: NONE THEY BOTH STINK!
Second Base: Braves: .281, .369, .439, .808. Mets: .265, .331, .447, .778. ADVANTAGE: LOS BRAVOS
Third Base: Mets: .289, .375, .503, .878. Braves: .292, .362, .494, .856. ADVANTAGE: LOS BRAVOS WHEN CHIPPER IS HEALTHY
SHORTSTOP: BRAVES: .317, .376, .480, .856. METS: .313, .393, .447, .841. ADVANTAGE: EVEN. YOU GOT FLASH. WE GOT STEADY EDDIE.
LEFT FIELD: BRAVES: .311, .362, .426, .788. METS: .290, .345, .414, .759. ADVANTAGE: BRAVES
CENTERFIELD: BRAVES: .206, .302, .391, .692. METS: .266, .339, .462, .801. ADVANTAGE: METS - THANX DRUW
RIGHTFIELD: BRAVES: .288, .331, .423, .754. METS: .266, .314, .408, .722. ADVANTAGE: LOS BRAVOS.
EIGHT POSITIONS: 5-1-2 ADVANTAGE FOR THE LOS BRAVOS!
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this
Efrim - its called MONEY son, we’ve got it you dont - and everyone knows it. Hahahahahaha!!!!!!
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this
“Nice try bad mouthing my boy Lastings, hes a raw talent with a ton of upside and he’ll be fine. He’s no john Rocker.”
You’re right. John Rocker could play.
59 Games, 169 AB’s, 2 HR, 22 RBI, 1 SB, 2 CS, .237 BA.
YIKES. If this guy was on our roster today, he would’ve been sent down instead of Orr.
By Lew
July 5, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this
RookieRules-I was just giving you grief Dude, keep it the way it is. No One should be allowed to cross me. However, if you don’t want to win a Wurlitzer, I won’t force one on you. But you might want to ask the other winners if it’s worthwhile or not. Ask Wayne In Utah.
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 5, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this
I once was sad because I had not a dollar…’til I met a man that had no sense…
By bravesdude
July 5, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this
journalist jimmy smith …..I would never verbally accost the esteemed DOB…please note i even followed earlier post by telling the much beloved DOB he was not the “goof ball reporter” i was referring to. That would be a total foul and extrely distateful.
Mets rule….you havent been around in days…were you out of town again or were you waitin for the man to turn your your power back on?
Go Braves!!!!!
By chrisklob
July 5, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this
Matthew, Dad to Walter, perhaps there could be a third designation. Something between veteran and rookie. Perhaps we could have the “Situational Blogger”. Kind of like the lefty that comes in to hit in the eighth inning against the RHP. Just a thought.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this
Chino just called up to the pressbox to tell the Braves PR guy that Salty is catching, McCann scratched to get a day off. We’ll check to make sure it’s nothing more.
By MBATL
July 5, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this
McCann’s been scratched… Salty catching…KJ batting 5th… change your scorecards accordingly. This according to Pete on Braves radio…
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this
Hey look your game is on TBS I can flip back and forth between watching the Amazin’s handle the Astros and watching Penny pitch a no hitter.This is goin to be fun. Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
By Superman
July 5, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
I dont really have anything insightful to say. But I have to say I love the atlanta braves and I love this blog
Where you lead me I well follow!!!
By Bob, Journalist
July 5, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this
Denny Zenn, there’s no question that a rose is a rose. Any perspective would be better than having no perspective … perhaps you should try and peal the layers of the onion … reading more carefully might also help … I suggest you also reflect upon the fact that cries of injustice and confrontation for the sake of self fulfillment are discouraged by Zen … while I reflect upon the fact that so too is engaging with those so doing … take care.
By Efrim
July 5, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this
Why isn’t McCann playing?????
By TBFKB
July 5, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
Mets rule. You drool,
I think your well placed exuberance is cool. However, I think it clouds your overall objectivity and intelligence. Your rotation got rocked by the Rockies…..again the Rockies. If the Mets line up is so potent why did they not post more runs than the Rockies. Their, mediocre pitching staff at that….in Coors none the less.
So with all that said, I think your just blowing hot air not worthy of future responses.
By Train Wreck Bystander
July 5, 2007 10:14 PM | Link to this
I can’t believe Pete Orr got sent down. Not that I am mourning or anything… just can’t believe he got sent down. I thought he was one of the Sacred Ones.
By Blueridge
July 5, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this
well, it seems to me that the starting pitching is the most frustrating part of the team heading into the break. Two guys worth watching, one long reliever (5 innings max?), one guy who gives a great effort everytime with below average stuff, and another guy who needs to find his way to the Richmond bullpen to learn to throw a sinker.
The frustrating part is that the options are limited. The only thing that the big wigs can do is keep putting guys in position to prove themselves. It has worked in the past, see last year with Chuck James. But as a fan, man it really gets to be a drag, with very little excitement.
Harang seems to be a great option on the trade front, but there is no way Cincy is giving him up, just like Oswalt isn’t heading east anytime soon. So we cross our fingers with another youngster and a platoon at every position, because too many guys deserve to play. This is a really hard team to pull for with the team being a very soft three games back. Here’s hoping that the second half will produce some fresh arms, some streaks, and some enjoyable wins.
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 5, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this
Rule #29: Walter’s Daddy is definitely a vet….. Not only a vet but also the Official Minister for the Men in Black…. Got religious issues you need to express but can’t express them here, confide in Matthew…. for he is a very good man and a good daddy
Rule #30: KC is the Eternal Optimist. Ye Shall Have No Other Other Eternal Optimists Besides KC For KC Is The Supreme Eternal Optimist. If only we could get him back blogging….. Sith Lord Grinch, it is incumbent upon you
Kentavo’s proposed resolution for Rules for Gloating is being debated upon the Senate Floor as we speak…. looks like it may have a good chance of being added
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
BravesFart! Thats just your spin, look at the All Star votes, look who people would rather have on there team - Mets rule in eveyr category and you know it! Good luck getting a hit tonight. Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!
By P-Town Brave
July 5, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this
Yeah, and its amazing how much money you supposedly have and yet….SCOREBOARD SCOREBOARD 6 of 9 from the Mets
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this
YIPPY. A blister. Maybe we CAN get a split in this series.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
Bobby told us before the game that Soriano and Yates are unavailable tonight
By P-Town Brave
July 5, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
Penny certainly isn’t long for…
I’ll give you the over/under N8 since you’re so great at that
By --->Berigan<---
July 5, 2007 10:20 PM | Link to this
For those not watching the game, Penny has a blister, or an avulsion(Sp?)
By chrisklob
July 5, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this
Rookie Rules of Engagement, I would like to offer one simple amendment to the RROE. It’s very simple and IF the rooks and vets can stick to it will enhance our DOB Blog Experience.
Please do not feed the trolls. Trolls feed on attention. If they receive none, they eventually go away.
Just my two cents worth……
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this
Boras must’ve told Andruw that he was hot and needed to cool off. Nice swing.
Oooops. I wasn’t gonna be negative anymore.
Quick……gotta think of something nice to say……think….think….think…
OH! I got it.
Hey. The 5 hole might be a really nice spot for KJ.
Whew! That was close.
By --->Berigan<---
July 5, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this
Shawn(I think)was wondering if possibly Andruw’s back was a reason for his slump. Well, after that swing and miss, I think we can safely say not a back problem….
By Superman
July 5, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this
I would like to add that i have been reading the blog since the off season. I dont really post much but i love to read you guys posts. I am sort of a people watcher and you guys are a hell of a group to watch. lol I would like to say thank you to DOB and all who post here.
By Eric from MO
July 5, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this
Somebody help me, I thought the Mets just got swept by the Rockies. Why is some idiot mouthing about how great the mets are? I mean who gets swept by the Rockies?
By ernesto
July 5, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this
Close to 30 pitches in the 1st, at least that’s good news.
By Robert
July 5, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this
DOB:
Long time reader, first time post. Since we are near the trade deadline and all fans get paranoid, there is no way McCann sitting has anything to do with a trade. I sure hope not
By Bob
July 5, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this
Mets Drool,
Welcome to the site tonight dude. Guess you were away on “business” last night….LOL. Did you get a chance to see the last Rockies Touchdown. It was a hell of a play and your defense just looked tired at the end of the game. Must have been the altitude.
By Superman
July 5, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this
Penny with 40 pitches and a blister in the first inning. Maybe the baseball gods are helping us out tonight
By Austin
July 5, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this
Good inning by the Braves made Penny throw 30 pitches maybe we can get him out of there by the 5th or 6th inning.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this
Oh my God, have you guys checked out this site? Funny stuff.
http://www.startsalty.com/
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this
P-Town Brave
I’m gonna say 6 or 7 innings. Penny’s tough. Unless it is a blister, and it starts bleeding all over the place.
Didn’t really seem to phase him in the 1st did it?
By Braveheart
July 5, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this
This roster move begs the question on all of our minds:
If Pete Orr got sent down, what the heck happened to those incriminating photos entrusted to him by Keith Lockhart? Did he lose them? Were they stolen? We need to determine what the current status of the chain of custody is. Did one of the bloggers steal them for the betterment of the ol’ ball squad? If so, step forward now, so that Lew can give you a well deserved Wurlitzer.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this
Chrisklob, that’s a worthy addendum to the rules.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this
No, McCann sitting has nothing to do with a trade. Don’t worry about that.
By TBFKB
July 5, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Frenchy
By I'm a douchebag from New York
July 5, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this
Guess what, everyone!!! My AIDS test came back to day and I passed it!! Won’t my partner be proud!! ROTFL!! Youse guys don’t know what that’s like, do ya, bein’ able to be out in the open in such a great city like New Yawk! Youse guys gotta stay in the closet!! ROTFL!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Umm, youse guys ARE that way too, right? Right? Uh, hahaha. rotfl. Haha.
By Bob
July 5, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this
Mets Drool,
Are you always so good at prognostication? No hitter, huh? Doofus.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this
That was the first homer off Penny at Dodger Stadium this season.
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 5, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this
The chrisklob proposed amendment to Rule #25 has been considered, well received and adopted.
The amended Rule #25 shall now state:
ALWAYS ignore the gnats and the pests and the lowlifes who aim to ruin the blog. THIS IS THE HARDEST RULE FOR ALL BLOGGERS, EVEN VETS, TO ADHERE TO. PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. TROLLS FEED ON ATTENTION. IF THEY RECEIVE NONE, THEY EVENTUALLY GO AWAY. Vigilante justice on the evildoers just turns the blog into a ghetto with drive by shootings and sniping all day and night. We so try to avoid turning this Nirvana into Beruit.
By Superman
July 5, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this
Has anyone else ever notices when Chip says Chicago he adds an L in there?
Chicalgo?????
By brent a.
July 5, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this
At 10:40 PM EDT:
Chip Caray with his first “Chicago” reference of the night.
Believe it or not, comparing the weather in LA, to the weather in Chicago, and how it affects the game.
Vomit
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this
McCANN: Sore right knee is reason for scratch.
Train Wreck, here’s what Cox said of sending down Orr:
“We needed a pitcher for the next few days,” said manager Bobby Cox, who found it difficult to tell Orr he was being sent down. “I hated to do it. Pete’s a favorite of mine, and one of the best teammates these guys have ever had.”
By MEB
July 5, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
Joe Simpson’s comment on Francouer’s home run to center field… “How’d that get out of here?”
Well, duh, gee, let me think about it a second, I think he hit a 94 mph fastball with his bat. Hopefully we won’t get another dissertation on how Jeff kept his hands inside the ball.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 5, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
journalist is troubled. as most will know, jimmy smith likes to consider all aspects of how a new player will fit this team. that includes the nickname bobbycox will bestow.
in considering the new additions to this team today, jimmy smith was taken aback!
jo jo is a monkey name! journalist is certain of this.
now, how will this work at a major league level? of course, there are some real possibilities for spin-offs: chimper and jo jo.
and will jo jo be able to focus on the field with peanut vendors plying their trade only a short distance away?
this may be the first braves player in recent memory to have a monkey name (well, second if you count chimper). journalist suggests dob get on this story right away and come back with some quotes.
By Josh C
July 5, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this
Just read that McCann and Buddy Hernandez are being sent to Pitt for Gorzelanny
By --->Berigan<---
July 5, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this
DOB,
That site is funny!! POST-TOMAHAWK STRESS DISORDER. A lot of former braves have suffered from this malady, but Adam LaRoche may survive it yet….
By jbutler
July 5, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this
Hey Eric in MO (or less) town…the vaunted YANKEES got broomed by the happless/purple people eating Rockies. With a mascot named “Dinger” how can you not plan a World Series parade???
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this
Officially a sprained right knee, but not serious, because McCann is available to play, they added
By Efrim
July 5, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this
DO NOT STOP HITTING
No Soriano, No Yates
We need as many as we can get!!!!
By Mets Fool
July 5, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this
With every post, Mets Drool Boy shows how little he really knows about the game. He makes a statement and someone makes him look like a fool. I bet his mommy doesn’t even know he’s off his meds again!
By Gil In Mechanicsville
July 5, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this
Mets rule. You Fool likely every category but spelling…
By bravesdude
July 5, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this
DOB….funny picture of Bobby on there…lol
MetsFool……….leave it on TBS and see how a good team handles a good pitcher….You may as well get out your calender….Mark Aug. 31st on there as “out of town”….cant wait to see how your AAA pitching handles the Braves…lol….especially after the way the Roclies just put the “stink foot” on ya…LOL!!!!
Go Braves!!!
By Austin
July 5, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this
Great site DOB…I beleive the Renteria 2B was deflected of Kent’s glove which allowed Willie “Mays Hayes” Harris to score.
By Brick Tamland
July 5, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this
Thanks tvsportscaster.
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 10:54 PM | Link to this
And its one pitch away from a big W for the Amazin’s, I apologize for not updating you but All-Star CF Carlos Beltran hammered another HR to make it 6-2 Mets, now Wagner’s on to nail it down, Biggio (future Hall of famer????), 2 and 2 count and…Wagner Ks him? Mets win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahaha! Uh-oh, you better not blow it.
By Yars
July 5, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this
I think if the Braves score 6 runs for Hudson, he can hold the lead. He ain’t no Kyle Davies. This also isn’t the last we’ve seen of Pete Orr. He’ll be back up. I already kinda miss him. Bobby loved the guy. Probably treated him like a son from how he always praised him.
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this
Hey idiots, by the way the Mets scored a ton of rusn in Colorado, the ptiching was bad, but we’ll fix that…we’ve got money! Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Just flipped over looks like Husdon is getting ready to blow it. Nice.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 5, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this
oh, the humanity! go to ajc.com front page! new monkey in town! should be hearing from mark davis on this matter. well, those earlier monkeys didn’t do too well, did they? can say that? not like john rocker - like a journalist. hey, jimmy smith did not name the man jo jo. comes with a jo jo in the box! and uncle reyes becomes a monkey’s uncle! oh, the humanity! someone must stop this journalist! this is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
By chrisklob
July 5, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this
brent a, maybe someone should invent a new drinking game. Every time Chip mentions “Chicago” or the “Cubs” we all have to drink. Methinks we shall all be wasted by the fifth inning every night!
By ernesto
July 5, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this
kelly, god no! What was that????
By Superman
July 5, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this
Hey I knew that music they play at Turner field and on TBS on road games when the Braves hit a homerun sounded familiar. You guys have to check this out. Will Smith and Carlton dancing to that tune. Really funny stuff [http://youtube.com/watch?v=qGWDDLxIAsA]
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this
SOMBEBODY (DOB you count too), explain to me WHY I’m supposed to get excited about this team’s playoff chances again?
I’m just curious. No sarcasm. No negativity. Just a simple question. I’ll click “post” and then proceed to COUNT how many knee jerk posts there have been since the line drive that Thorman didn’t catch, just to see how the positve people “live”.
By --->Berigan<---
July 5, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this
Oh man….just when you think the game would be a laugher…like Joaquin Andujar once said, There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, ‘You never know.’
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 5, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this
Do you think the smoke made Thor missed that ball? Whole series is us jumping to a lead, then LA fighting back. Need to take advantage of the off-Penny night. Thanks Andruw for that marvelous 1 pitch at bat to start the 3rd…
By Austin
July 5, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this
Mets rule. You drool How old are you 6? maybe 8? Why do you insist on putting “hahahahahaha” in all of your posts?
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this
I apologize to everyone. Your right Andrew is really good. REally good. Way better than Beltran! Hahahahaha! Nice swing. He sucks.
By Bob
July 5, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this
Mets Drool,
Yeah you guys did great. Lets see, outscored 34-12 in 3 games by the ROCKIES. No problem scoring runs?? At Coors Field??? Better work on your defense Drool….5 Tds is quite pathetic.
By Gil In Mechanicsville
July 5, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this
It is my most humble opinion that Andruw Jones’ hitting slump is directly related to the fact he is standing too close to the ball after he swings…..
By Robert
July 5, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this
where did you here that gorzelanny trade from josh. no way that happens
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this
Could you guys get any luckier? Penny must be drunk.
By Superman
July 5, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this
I hope Josh C was joking
By chrisklob
July 5, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this
Wow, the Dodger defense does not look good tonight!
By Austin
July 5, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this
Andruw Tracker…Current BA .200
Current $/K 16,091
By MBATL
July 5, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this
Two months ago, a lot of folks complained that the Braves couldn’t score without the hated “three-run homer.”
I never understood why they hated the three-run homer (I kinda like ‘em), but regardless of that, the Braves have been scoring pretty well with very few of same. It’s really a different looking offense.
By Bob, Journalist
July 5, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this
Mets Rule, be fair … no one ever suggested that your fans weren’t the best at stuffing ballot boxes … or that they weren’t accomplished losers. We recognize that they’ve had more practice than we … and give them full credit on both counts!
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this
Yeah, thats your first basemen? Nice.
By JasonInMaine
July 5, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
Does anyone remember when 3 runs for one of our aces was a good bet. Seriously, a double to Penny…really? Man, come on Hudson!!! And yes, I expect a lot out of a supposed ace.
Regards,
Jason
By Brick Tamland
July 5, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
at what point does it become better to pay Andruw 14 million to sit down on the pine next to pete when he comes back?
My favorite picture in the startsalty.com was the picture of Thorman in the dugout with a cartoonish anchor tied around his neck to keep him in the dugout.
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 5, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this
I LOVE this 3rd inning so far! Home runs are great, but hustle hits, stolen bases, etc. put so much pressure on a team…especially when facing the 15th ranked defensive team in the NL. Now, can Thor deliver? Nope, 3-6-3 dp to end the inning. 4-2 good guys…you got your lead Huddy, don’t pull a Davies!!
By chrisklob
July 5, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this
I do not understand why so many of our guys are swinging at the first pitch. Penny clearly is not right with the blister or skin tear or whatever he’s got. Key to this game is being patient and knocking him out early.
By Train Wreck Bystander
July 5, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this
HELLO - if I wanted to see Larry King, I would switch to CNN.
By Josh C
July 5, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this
Obviously joking on the trade.
Did anyone else notice Salty flying down the line? My god the man might be in the top five fastest on the team!
By TBFKB
July 5, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this
here comes more AJ bashing……ouch
By Superman
July 5, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
ahhhh im gonna claw my eyeballs out!!!!
By Chop Chop
July 5, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
Bush League Night at Dodger Stadium…
I thought W was at RFK tonight…
Good gosh-a-mighty…
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this
TennPaul, didn’t get a chance to try Phillip’s restaurant. Didn’t realize it was so close to Dodger Stadium, or I would have. Damn. Can’t do it tonight, gotta drive south.
It’s In & Out Burger on the drive south tonight. I want to see how much food Bowman can consume. Might have to put him in the trunk.
By P-Town Brave
July 5, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
Well, lets see…first he can’t hit a ball and NOW, he gives LA 2 runs…
SIT HIM NOW! QUIT MAKING THE DAMN EXCUSES FOR HIM…ITS PATHETIC..AND THAT MEANS YOU TOO DOB!
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By knowitall
July 5, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this
Maybe the AJC can set the Rookie Rules so that they automatically pop up the first time someone tries to post. Then have them check the box if they agree to the terms and conditions.
By ernesto
July 5, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this
Just brutal. I think this awful D is getting into Huddy’s head.
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 5, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this
Now Andruw is costing us runs when he’s not batting. I just kicked my cat. Thanks Andruw, you’ve driven me to animal abuse.
By I'm a douchebag from New York
July 5, 2007 11:28 PM | Link to this
Hey, guess what, youse guys? HAHAHAHAHA! Youse know why I’m always rollin’ on the floor laffin’? It’s all those little things bitin’ me now since I had to move into my sister’s room. ROTFL! I told the doc about it to see if I should get some of dat shampoo, he tol me he gets ‘em from her room too. So every time I use it and run th3e comb through there and they start jumpin’ around, I gotta ROTFL! ROTFL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
By The Grinch
July 5, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this
Wow, this game is stressful.
By JasonInMaine
July 5, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
Why noy have your 8 spot, who has been struggling mightily, squeeze? If you are on a big league roster, you should be able to bunt.
By Robert
July 5, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this
wow, now we cant get pitchers out
By journalist jimmy smith
July 5, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this
can’t bobby waddle out there and slow things down a bit?
By Stephen
July 5, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this
This is F’ing pathetic.
By SteelCav
July 5, 2007 11:33 PM | Link to this
Thanks Andruw. It was your defense that was keeping you in the lineup. Now, I just want you gone.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 11:33 PM | Link to this
Well, that pretty well puts the cherry on the top of the Andruw sundae, huh? And there’s Scott Boras, in the front row to witness.
By scribe
July 5, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this
I am sooo sick of Andrew Jones. He is overrated, overhyped and nothing more than Gorman Thomas- trade his sorry butt.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this
Holy Cornelia, what a disaster we’ve got developing.
By Mets rule. You drool
July 5, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this
Hahahaha! You lose. I’m going to bed this one is over. Mets 4 games in front of you. Nice.
By MBATL
July 5, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this
ernesto, absolutely. If Hudson can give us 5 innings with this shoddy defense, he deserves Player of the Game honors. Geez.
By Train Wreck Bystander
July 5, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this
Huddy got a raw deal tonight.
By --->Berigan<---
July 5, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this
And people think errors come back to haunt you….is there a rule that if a team makes enough errors behind you, that you can have a earned run or two shaved off your season total????
By fastasballs
July 5, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this
Muts Fool must be good & drunk tonight. What did the government screw up & send you two welfare checks this month?
Where you been? Oh let me guess, you were out of the country like the other douche bag Muts fans that like talking s**, but never can be found while losing.
What is your obsession with the Mets & their money? You act as though it’s your’s as well. Typical Yank mentality. Most people I have encountered that speak of other’s money as their own usually have none of their own.
By Coach ( CENSORSHIP STINKS)
July 5, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this
What a horrific display of ineptitude by the Braves in the first three innings. Hudson’s defense has let him down.
By Austin
July 5, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this
Andurw Current $/BA Point…$70,000
By Josh C
July 5, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this
OK before I start I’m NOT blaming this inning oon Edgar…
But, do those who have lambasted the idea of trading Renteria for pitching instead of Escobar honestly believe that Yunel wouldn’t have gloved at least two that Edgar couldn’t reach tonight?
By SteelCav
July 5, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this
Mets rule. You going to bed? Say hi to your mom for me.
By JasonInMaine
July 5, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this
Man, our rotation just isn’t very good. I am very disappointed in hudson…O gives ya 4 in the first 3 innings and you go out and let up 6 runs on 9 hits…we needed a big game out of Huddy…very, very disappointing. It’s a good thing I am not near my cat!
By Train Wreck Bystander
July 5, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this
AJ’s not the only one showing a defensive lapse tonight - this is a team effort.
By Steve from OH
July 5, 2007 11:41 PM | Link to this
Nice find, DOB. That was pretty hilarious. What will Chipper’s next injury be!? I voted for turf toe.
By A-ville Ranger
July 5, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this
Too often this year the Braves have played sloppy and looked like the unprofessional,poorly prepared teams they feasted on in seasons past.Andruw played that slow grounder like he was thinking about pimping another ride.
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this
N*
By N8 *is very confused July 5, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this “(Coach and N8 type emphasis in parenthesis are OK!)”
So which one is it Wayne? I suck, or the way I choose to do things is OK?
:-)*
You got me Nate! I guess you suck sometimes, and are OK the rest of the time.
Speaking of sucking, our “d” is doing some serious sucking tonight. Can someone ask Scott Boras to go home early. I think he is having a negative affect on his client!
:-)
By HP
July 5, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this
Mets rule. You drool: The games not over until you get 27 outs. I thought you knew that. As someone mentioned above that you are getting more dumb each time you post. Sorry to say but if you are a baseball fan, you should probably know that.
By TBFKB
July 5, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this
uh……oh
By TBFKB
July 5, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this
uh……oh, AJ is up…..I feel bad for the guy.
By ernesto
July 5, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this
Okay bases loaded, Andruw coming up looking for a half season’s worth of redemption, this is how Hollywood would script it.
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this
I don’t know why you guys are so DOWN on Andruw and this team in general.
Bobby KNOWS HIS GUYS, don’t question the guru! If he says Andruw’s in the lineup, there MUST be some reason.
I’m not sure what the hell TBS is showing a big graphic about an “overworked bullpen” on the current road trip? What are they STUPID. Our bullpen is fine. Lew says they are professional that can handle any innings the starters (or the defense that doesn’t back up the starter), throw their way.
Overworked bullpen? LOL! That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever read. Who would say such a thing?
Oh…STILL waiting for somebody to give me a reason on why to go down the path of optimism. Is it our potent offense? Is it the defense? (Not sure why Salty isn’t “ready” at 1B, when Thorman is the other option).
Then on the Penny basehit, NOBODY covers 3B. I thought that guy we have over there is a veteran?
Why, after that strikeout, do i feel that it won’t be long before Tim Hudson is going all “Prince Fielder” on the gatorade cooler? The guy is talking to himself, which just spells out frustration.
BTW, Willie’s basehit, “silly” SPEED scoring on that Renteria hit, and his throw that would’ve got Penny at second (had KJ not dropped it), is precisely WHY he should be playing as much as possible. Diaz is doing a fine job against lefties, so NO, I wouldn’t mess with that. But it’s that kind of speed and “make things happen” guy, we’ve been missing since Furcal left. Or should I say since his first few years, since he thought he was hitting cleanup his last two years here.
I’m not saying Harris is the second coming of Kenny Lofton in his prime, but the way he is playing right NOW, he is exactly what this team needs at the top of the order.
I hope I sprinkled in enough compliments and positive comments, with the sarcasm and negativity.
Whaddya know? Here comes Andruw with the bases loaded. LOL! It’s almost comical. If I’m Bobby, I tell him to take EVERY pitch, as to not hit into the DP. Worst case, KJ is up with 2 outs and bases loaded. Best case, he walks, or maybe gets hit by a pitch. :-)
By chrisklob
July 5, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
Please do not feed the troll.
By Steve from OH
July 5, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
DOB, is Devine available tonight? I don’t think I’ve seen anything about it on the blog.
By Wayne in Utah
July 5, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
Wow, we got all the Met’s monkeys coming out of the woodwork tonight.
I picked up the game right before the bottom of the third, when we imploded.
What did I miss in the first 2 and a half innings???
By tim
July 5, 2007 11:48 PM | Link to this
OK….so is anyone on this team gonna come out and get mad or show some emotion about how poorly things are going tonight? I certainly would feel better to see Andruw or Hudson beat the crap out of a water cooler or something…
By TBFKB
July 5, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
Way to go AJ……take that….man he spanked the bleep out of that ball
By SteelCav
July 5, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
6-6..jinx rule applies to Mets rule…thanks buddy! HAHAHAHAHAHA
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
P-Town Brave, when have I made an excuse for Andruw in the past two months? He’s having a horrible season. His defense hasn’t been terrible, but that was a terrible play.
Wow… he just missed a grand slam by a foot as I wrote that….
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
I’m just giving you crap Wayne. I know where you and I stand. You don’t have to explain yourself to me.
I have to say, for a guy swinging as hard as he possibly can, that was about as controlled of swing that Andruw has taken in a LONG time.
Sad, how low the standards of what a guy should look like at the plate, huh.
Either way, he didn’t strike out. So I have to say…..nice job Andruw.
By ernesto
July 5, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this
Let’s go Bravos! Glad I didn’t go to bed, whoever is kicking their cat, I think it’s only fair they get to kick you back now.
By Ron Roberts
July 5, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this
Ehhh, I guess ya have to bedgrudgingly give Andruw his due there; after taking his dumbfoundedness from the plate to center field last frame, he really put a charge into that ball. Good swing, loud out, but gets a run in.
And where are all the “trade Kelly Johnson” bloggers, tonight??
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 5, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this
Well, the bats are alive and well. Hudson just became his own middle relief pitcher for the next 2-3 innings
By fastasballs
July 5, 2007 11:54 PM | Link to this
The over under for runs has moved to 20 & a game time of 3:50.
What a strange game to say the least. Andruw almost got it out, but everyone here knows damn well that if Penny was throwing his normal stuff he would have struck out in 3 pitches.
By David O'Brien
July 5, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this
Lord, Andruw was practically in left field when Pierre hit that to the r-c gap. What in the world….
By Ron Roberts
July 5, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this
There’s plenty to gripe about with regards to our defense, but Tim Hudson really hasn’t looked good, either.
By Bob, Journalist
July 5, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this
Brick Tamland,
At what point does it become better to pay Andruw 14 million to sit down on the pine?
Methinks your tense may be wrong but if Pete return is all it takes …
Had we paid him $14 million to ride the pine, maybe 9 years ago or so … maybe then it would have been worth the money … it would have been had he then wised up and have done what it took to better realize his potential … but now, the objective is just that he regain his mediocre .265 batting average and hit a few more home runs.
He’s certain to be embarrassed by his current performance, regardless of any protestations … but leaving him in the heart of the order seems like an endorsement or positive reinforcement for his approach to resolving his problems at the plate … and disdain for Terry’s public plea that they get on the same page … evidently, it’s Andruw’s page or no page at all.
However, there are some indications that like the white men with the Cleveland Indians, he speak with forked tongue … publicly decrying the need for help while privately listening to advice.
By MBATL
July 5, 2007 11:56 PM | Link to this
Hey, I know everybody hates him, but credit to AJ on a damn good at bat; and KJ ties it up. 6 earned in 4 IP off the best starter in the NL.
N8, maybe things’ll get worse. Hang in there.
By The Grinch, Lord Sith
July 5, 2007 11:56 PM | Link to this
KC’s training is not yet finished…
By ernesto
July 5, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this
So the D definitely didn’t do Huddy any favors, but he was throwing some very hittable pitches tonight. And that last one to Pierre, I’ve seen sunsets that had a sharper break than that last pitch.
By fastasballs
July 5, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this
Hey Muts Fool, Your burrough just called the blog, they want their dirtbag back.
By N8 *is very confused*
July 5, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this
Wayne
“What did I miss in the first 2 and a half innings???”
Some ugly baseball in general. Seems to be a theme on this road trip (win or lose).
I think that’s the part that’s so disheartening, is the manner in which they lose, and then when they do happen to win, it’s “ugly” as well.
I mean, seriously, if they win tonight, is anybody gonna “feel good” about it? You shouldn’t.
That’s ALL I want. Play some good, smart baseball. I can take the losses, just as well as I take the wins (you all should know that, I complain either way :-), but bad defense, poor hanging pitches that cross up your defense, swinging at the first pitch in the middle of a rally. It’s tough to watch.
This team is like an eclipse. I know that I shouldn’t be watching for health reasons, but like bad car accident, I can’t seem to stop peeking.
By Chop Chop
July 6, 2007 12:00 AM | Link to this
Yeah, DOB. I guess Huddy couldn’t have crossed up the defense anymore than that. What a bad hanger to throw to a banjo hitter like Pierre.
I may be speaking too soon, but looks like Aussie brought his A-game tonight.
By True Braves Fan
July 6, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this
DOB: Johnson is having trouble at 2B, but hitting. Thorman is having trouble at 1B and not hitting. Would BC consider moving Johnson to 1B, so Escobar could play 2B?? That way Salty could still backup at C and 1B. It is obvious that nothing is going to be done about Andrew, so we have to look elsewhere for a fix for this team. Also, the current 1B at Richmond, Carlos Mendez is hitting .283 with 6 HR and 24 RBI with only 1 error. (Don’t know how much I trust the error stat after Johnson and Thorman did not get errors.) Another option would be to send Thorman down and bring up Pena, and put Salty at 1B everday. DOB, would appreciate your analysis of our best options.
By Todd A
July 6, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this
Defense has been awful but Hudson has to get Penny in that situation.No excuse.
By Calvin
July 6, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this
That pitch to Kent from Moylan was nasty.
By TBFKB
July 6, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this
Wow….Moylan is the toast of braves land right now
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 12:02 AM | Link to this
Peter Moylan, ladies and gentlemen, I give you Peter Moylan. Outstanding!
By heath
July 6, 2007 12:02 AM | Link to this
wow, finally, someone who can pitch. good job peter
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 12:02 AM | Link to this
Well, I did say in the first line of the blog it would be an interesting night … but this wasn’t quite what I had in mind.
What a NASTY pitch Moylan made to Kent. More I see him do that, more I agree with those who’d have Moylan move to the rotation. Probably couldn’t get stretched out this late, though….
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 12:04 AM | Link to this
Moylan, we welcome you back to the denizens good graces! What a pick me up for the team with that relief effort in the 4th. Now, let’s get some runs!
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this
Jeez Nate, I get frustrated too, but come on. Don’t you have other things to do, if it this frustrating you that much?
Go find a front runner to pull for. The Red Sox seem to be a good bet this year.
Or, you can just continue to pick apart ALL the things you think are wrong with our team. No, Willie should NOT be in the lineup everyday. Don’t know why, except it is just a hunch I have that if he did, he would drop quickly, and then you would start up about how Diaz needs to play more.
So, either find another team, or just give it a rest, cause some of us are just getting tired of the same old drivel.
Yes, we know AJ sucks. Yes, Chipper is not the perfect player. Yes, KJ is not the perfect polished second baseman. Yes, Thorman is lack in many respects, AS MANY ROOKIES ARE!
So, anything else????
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this
I’ve seen and heard enough for now … wake me when it’s not under.
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this
That Salty kid can play a little bit huh? Man I wish Thorman would get good, he hustles, he’s got a great attitude, I bet he’s a great guy, but man, he is not getting the job done.
By --->Berigan<---
July 6, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
DOB, Yahoo sports shows 6 earned runs for Tim Hudson, is that right??? The 2 runs when the ball went under Andruws glove…were earned????? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AoXmThzhmyh2OYLtpVuxVEgRvLYF?gid=270705119
By N8 *is very confused*
July 6, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
Wayne
Forgot to add, in reply to you asking what you missed.
Don’t be thrown off by Hudson’s “line” after the game. It wasn’t his fault tonight.
There were a couple of bad plays that were NOT errors, but they should’ve been. Thorman got “screened” on a line drive he should’ve caught with runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out, that was called a basehit. Then the next guy hit into a DP, meaning had Thor caught that ball, no runs would’ve scored. Then in the same inning on the Penny double, he was dead as can be at 2B, (didn’t even bother sliding), and KJ dropped the ball, trying to tag him before he caught it. It didn’t lead to any more runs that inning. But Hudson had to work harder to get out of the inning.
Hudson surely would’ve lasted another inning or two with better defense tonight.
VERY NICE JOB by Moylan to get out of that mess.
DOB, I’m not sure I’ve seen as many pitches where the pitcher “crossed up the defense”, in a LONG time from Braves starters. Maybe we just got spoiled watching Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz (even Millwood and Neagle) hit there spots consistantly.
It seems to me, that AT LEAST once or twice a week Andruw is running all the way across the field to get a ball in the other gap (or in Minnesota on that Cuddyer hit off Wickman). Where in the past, you’d see that happen MAYBE once a month. I brought this up, when discussing Andruw’s supposed “decline in range” in CF, when we all were discussing the Jayson Stark article. I really think there is more to it than just a hunch.
I guess good pitch command is a little more rare these days.
By MBATL
July 6, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this
I mean, seriously, if they win tonight, is anybody gonna “feel good” about it? You shouldn’t.
N8, we’ve kicked the ball around a little tonight… but if we beat the 2nd best team in the NL, in their home park, with their best pitcher going (and probably the best starting pitcher in the league), I’ll feel pretty good about it, no matter how ugly the game may be.
By Steve from OH
July 6, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this
Way to go, Peter!
By N8 *is very confused*
July 6, 2007 12:12 AM | Link to this
And I guess that last AB by Harris, is “why” he isn’t playing regularily against lefties.
YIKES. Two different hitters.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 12:12 AM | Link to this
Nate I am sitting here during AJ’s last AB, just hoping he keeps the bat on his shoulder. Well, sometimes, even I am wrong! Can you believe it???
Actually, with KJ’s hit, we would have gotten the two runs.
How’d we ever keep Pierre from scoring last inning?
By heath
July 6, 2007 12:13 AM | Link to this
ok peter….let’s set ‘em down…1….2….3 get the top of the order back to the plate
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 12:15 AM | Link to this
Hey DOB, think you’re still going to make that midnight trip to SD? We still have hours and hours and hours to go…
By B9
July 6, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this
I can’t get worked up over this like N8 because I am benign.
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 12:17 AM | Link to this
Yes, all earned, Berigan. Because of what happened afterward (two walks, a single). They ruled that one run would’ve scored (Pierre) on the play even if he’d fielded it cleanly and threw home.
By Colorado Braves Fan
July 6, 2007 12:19 AM | Link to this
Hey, Lance Cormier pitiching for R-Braves tonight… 4.2 innings, 10 hits, 6 runs, 6 earned…Yikes.
By bravessucktonight
July 6, 2007 12:20 AM | Link to this
Ok i am behind by about 25 minutes (watching tivo) but why does HUDDY SUCK TONIGHT? He is giving up ropes everywhere and all the TBS a-holes say is the defense is terrible. That was a laser to Thorman that they said he should have had, gimme a break and I’m not a Thorman fan either. HUDDY SUCKS TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! Screw him he reminds me of Denny Neagle in 96. SUMbitch!
By Fred Secunda
July 6, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
Hey DOB, why doesn’t ever give J.C. Holt any love? Granted, he doesn’t have any power, but he’s hit .300 at every stop he’s made at the minor league level and he plays good defense and has good speed. I watched him play at LSU and the kid is a great gap hitter. What are the Braves long term plans for him?
By Todd A
July 6, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
What a defensive disaster tonight.
By fastasballs
July 6, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
Please nobody ever complain about Salty’s defense at first. Thorman is a moron, you have a glove for a reason. Take the shrink wrap off of it & use it for a change!
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this
We look like a very bad baseball team tonight.
By N8 *is very confused*
July 6, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this
Anybody else get a kick out of those last two hits that “just” got by KJ?
It reminded me of a good tennis volley. All the way to his right (just missed), didn’t like that one? How about all the way to the right?
Funny.
Wow. I thought I just saw Walter Matthau in the dugout, but it was just Bobby.
This is just ugly baseball at it’s best.
By P-Town Brave
July 6, 2007 12:24 AM | Link to this
Why does it not surprise me that the two idiots that have the errors are the two that have no business in the line-up
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this
Steve, Devine is definitely available to pitch tonight.
By Steve from OH
July 6, 2007 12:25 AM | Link to this
Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen before. It’s a shame that it’s Thorman, though, becuase he plays hard every day he’s in there and hustles every play. But he’s just not getting it done, unfortunately. Salty will be seeing a lot more time after tonight, I’ll bet. I hope, for Thor’s sake, that he will be traded to a place where he can play everday and reach his potential. Good job by Moylan getting out of that one.
Go Braves! Lets get some runs.
By Apaul404
July 6, 2007 12:27 AM | Link to this
We need to rough this stulz up.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 12:28 AM | Link to this
Bee Nine Even though you are very docile and non-offensive, we still prefer the controversial N8 over you on the MIB Blog!
By Austin
July 6, 2007 12:29 AM | Link to this
AJ’s deep sac fly will keep him hittin’ cleanup for another 2 weeks.
By P-Town Brave
July 6, 2007 12:29 AM | Link to this
Totally kidding about Andruw DOB
But really, not to be counterintuitive, but if that was Gary Sheffield, Albert Pujols, insert power hitter here, 99% would’ve hit that ball 20+ feet over the fence where it was pitched and not just to the track…thats part of my point…even when he does something, something better should have occured. And why does it look like KJ should stay in the lineup and Yuni should give Chipper a few days off…looks REALLY sluggish tonight
By Train Wreck Bystander
July 6, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
HOSS!
By Apaul404
July 6, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
CHIPPER
By Chop Chop
July 6, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
Well, ol’ Hoss can get a ball out of that damn park!
By Steve from OH
July 6, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
Yes!!!! Attaboy, Chipper! WOOOO!
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
CHIPPER!
By brent a.
July 6, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this
Dale Murphy > Chipper
:)
By Superman
July 6, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this
Hey andruw got a hit…..wait a minute oh well at least he got on base
By Austin
July 6, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this
Way to go Chipper!
By N8
July 6, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
If I’m the pitcher I don’t mind getting stared down by Andruw after hitting him with a pitch.
After all, if he charged the mound to fight, he probably would swing and miss, while falling down if he tried to punch him.
:-)
By Steve from OH
July 6, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
Thanks, DOB.
By P-Town Brave
July 6, 2007 12:32 AM | Link to this
And as soon as I say that about Chipper he drills one…thanks for proving me wrong CJ and way to go tying Dale for the all-time homer lead in ATL history!
By MBATL
July 6, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this
P-Town Brave. Huh? Yeah, let’s sit Chipper.
By Apaul404
July 6, 2007 12:34 AM | Link to this
DOB any word on Wille Aybar’s rehab? Seriously.
By Superman
July 6, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this
Im glad chipper looks so “sluggish”
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this
DOB - I bet someone’s going to have a talk with the official scorer when this one ends. Not defending Huddy or anything, but they held Pierre up at 3rd they didn’t send him until the ball got by Andruw - that was a straight up 2 run error. I know you’re just reporting what the news is, but I bet it changes by the a.m.
Let’s get some runs!
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this
Fastasballs Are you sure you want to castigate Thorman for that drop? He had the ball in his bare hand because he was anticipating throwing the ball to Moylan. Moylan couldn’t get over to the bag, cause he was dodging the “flying broken bat.” So, Thor had to do a quick run over to the bag, with the ball ALREADY in his bare hand. Not enough time to transfer it, as his main concern was getting to the bag. At the end, his only way to get there was to slide in (runner coming down the line full speed!). When he slid, his bare hand couldn’t hold the ball.
Definitely an error, but I do not hold him to blame as he did all he could just to make a play of it.
So, a moron, I don’t think so. A great first baseman? Nah. A great hitter? Not this year, but maybe someday!
These guys are real people. Now you know that by calling him a moron on the blog, it will probably put him into a severe depression. Prozac, here I come!!!
By N8
July 6, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this
Thanks Wayne for your 12:28. A backhanded compliment is better than none at all. :-)
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this
Riding that crazy train to a 7-6 lead. Congrats Larry on #371! You and the Murph, Atlanta Brave icons (until you pull your pinkie muscle or whatever puts you back on the DL next week, then you’re a bum again! Just kidding, Brave Nation)
By fastasballs
July 6, 2007 12:38 AM | Link to this
DOB Ask Bobby if the Braves have a TAKE sign & if they do, will they ever use it or has it ever been used for that matter?
KJ & Frenchy swing at the first pitch against a guy who is wild & just grooved one to Chipper & hit Andruw. Frenchy swung at several in the dirt.
By Gil In Mechanicsville
July 6, 2007 12:38 AM | Link to this
What a confusing game this is tonight….. Bad News Bears meet the Misfit Toys…..
I wish they would quit monkeying around and play defense like a major league ball club.
Way to go Chimper…. uh Chipper….
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 12:38 AM | Link to this
Just closed my eyes when my son calls to wish me a happy Labor day … said he forgot the 4th and wanted to just make sure he didn’t miss the 3rd.
Gil, your most humble opinion has been expressed by many of my golfing buddies and instructors. … ‘twas true but knowing it never help me none neither.
Maybe playing in front of one’s agent is not a good thing …
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 12:40 AM | Link to this
Chopper to Chipper.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 12:40 AM | Link to this
Bee Nine Even though you are very docile and non-offensive, we still prefer the controversial N8 over you on the MIB Blog!
Well done Wayne. That is why Willy Wally and I have mad respect for ya. Keep the rooks and clubhouse cancers in their place.
By N8
July 6, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this
DOB
“Bobby told us before the game that Soriano and Yates are unavailable tonight”
I know this is gonna come as a big shocker to some, but with those two unavailable, I’m not so sure I’m confident in a 1-Run lead, with a little over 3 innings to go.
Let’s score some more runs boys.
By The Truth Hurts
July 6, 2007 12:43 AM | Link to this
Don’t look now, but LaRoche is over .240 with 13/51.
On a side note, Mike Gonzalez is still hurt.
Frenchy should donate $100 to his favorite charity every time he swings at a first pitch. Maybe McCann can loan him some money.
Methinks Pete Moylan is no Greg McMichael. Apologies to Bob, Journalist for methinking.
By Drill Major
July 6, 2007 12:45 AM | Link to this
Joe Simpson heaps so much praise on the Braves every night I’d swear they were 75-10, instead of just over .500.
Does he have to lay it on that thick to keep his job?
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this
come on Chad, Come on Chad, Come on Chad….I can’t believe a Chad has me hanging.
Sorry.
By jon
July 6, 2007 12:47 AM | Link to this
If Paronto makes it thru this inning…who in the hell is gonna pitch 7 and 8 for us? For heaven sakes, you can see this coming…especially if Yates and Soriano isnt pitching tonight. They need the rest though..I agree with Bobby on that. I guess it’s safe to assume Devine has the 7th or 8th……maybe both? Maybe Oscar will pitch one…..doesnt matter if Paronto cant get out of this inning. Nomar just got a hit…I have a bad feeling
By --->Berigan<---
July 6, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this
DOB,
Something is just not sinking in. I forgot that(til now) that they said on TV that Pierre was going to be held up, ball went under Andruw’s glove, and 2 runs scored because of the error, at least one of them wouldn’t have scored if the ball was fielded correctly, right?
By Austin
July 6, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this
Chad “I ate Brett Tomko” Paranto Sucks
By P-Town Brave
July 6, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
Can we PLEASE see Devine tonight WITH the lead?!
By fastasballs
July 6, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this
Wayne Thorman is just not very athletic. There was time to put it in the glove, well a more athletic player could. You can’t brace yourself with the hand holding the ball without dropping it.
I’m just irritated watching this game & I’m having bad visions of Wickman coming in for the 9th……bad, bad visions.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 12:50 AM | Link to this
N8 I’m still reading your posts aren’t I? That is something!
Lew Earlier you asked a blogger to ask me if it was worth it to win a Wurlitzer. Let me make a proclamation tonight. It is MOST DEFINITELY worth it to win a Wurlitzer! I have been the proud recipient of an original Lew Hartman “Dale Murphy” drawing! Dale was my favorite player when things weren’t so good. I hope to one day meet Dale (we live in the same state) and show him my Wurlitzer prize.
I also hope some day to meet Lew, to thank him in person for my award!
Thanks Lew!
By Gil In Mechanicsville
July 6, 2007 12:54 AM | Link to this
The Truth Hurts True about Gonzo but we still have a pretty good young shortstop at Richmond….
On a lighter note, I wonder what Bobby takes to calm his nerves during a game like this? Good thing there are no cats around….
By N8
July 6, 2007 12:54 AM | Link to this
Nearly 3 hours to get through 6 innings.
So much for “getaway” day, huh DOB?
On a side note.
Is anybody else really sick of the commercial on TBS with Arnold saying:
“Welcome to Caleefoniya!”
I am.
Thought I b!tch about something other than the play of the Braves. :-)
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 12:56 AM | Link to this
P-Town, serious question …
I’m the one cited for obliqueness but what, pardon my editing, does that’s part of my point … even when he does something, something better should have occurred mean?
By uga-dawg
July 6, 2007 12:56 AM | Link to this
scott thorman is useless. send him packing with his buddy petey. Seriously does thorman not just totally remind you of ryan klesko. body language is identical.
By MurphyRules
July 6, 2007 12:56 AM | Link to this
Hey, Dave
Longtime reader here but seldom post. Thanks for all the extra work you do. If your newspaper’s anything like the one I work at, they’re not paying you overtime for it all!
Anyway, a few weeks ago you mentioned a place in Chicago with great hamburgers. Wife and I are heading there for the weekend. Can you pass along the name? And is this place you recommend better than the Billy Goat?
Enjoy the fish tacos in San Diego and hope you don’t get too many more four-hour games.
Murphy Rules
By MBATL
July 6, 2007 12:57 AM | Link to this
The Truth Hurts, yeah, that 1st-pitch home run Frenchy hit earlier… he really should’ve taken a couple of pitches to work the count.
And who cares what Laroche is hitting? Good for him (especially if .240 is good). If Laroche was in Atlanta hitting .240, Salty would probably never have seen the light of day, much less Thorman. And we’d all be whining that Laroche was only hitting .240.
By Tonight on TBS
July 6, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this
The Rookie (2002)
When a wrist injury ended his career as a professional journalist, Jim Smith (Dennis Quaid) resorts to the next best thing: blogging and teaching eigth-grade English. Twelve years later, Jim’s class, knowing their teacher is a great scribe, makes a deal with him: if they win the district essay contest, Jim will try out for a Southern newspaper. Well, the class makes it and Jim is forced to live up to his end of the deal. While there are style guides to be mastered, and lots of newsroom rules to be followed before he gets his own desk, his Pulitzer dreams are revived, and there’s no telling how far he could go. Maybe a Murdoch publication! (Based on a true story).
By --->Berigan<---
July 6, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this
The Truth Hurts,
You’d have Frenchy give a $100 bucks even for that first pitch homer tonight? ;)
Man, is it just me, or does the home plate ump have a wildly varying strike zone tonight? Pitches that were called balls against Paronto, that were called strikes against Thorman.
And why has Willie faked tossing the ball into the stands after the last out, only to toss it across the field? Is he punishing fans razzing him in left???
By jon
July 6, 2007 12:58 AM | Link to this
DOB……quick question. We saw Tomko pitch the other night and his numbers are FLAT OUT TERRIBLE! Before this year though, wasn’t he around a 500 or right below pitcher. Which makes him average at best. Maybe it was just me, but I thought his arm was really good. Looked like a live fastball topping out at 94 and a nasty nasty curveball…but I did notice his curveball location wasnt good. Had trouble throwing it for a strike….not to mention…his fastball location must not be good. I do like his arm though….Why do you think he has struggled so much…especially this year? With his arm..seems like he would be more effective!
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 12:59 AM | Link to this
N8 I hope we get a chance to see our man Joey tonight. Please, maybe Ledezma is also not available. Devine for the 8th and Wickman (dare I say it) for the 9th.
Maybe Oscar is also not available. Although his specialty is coming in and letting all the inherited runners score.
Nate, have you checked Paronto’s numbers for the last 30 days? Since that bad stretch after the DL stint, he has done great!
WTG Yunel. I know it would be hard to package Renteria for all he has done so far the past 1.5 years, but I really like Escobar. Could Renteria bring a #3 guy this month, who would NOT be a summer rental. (Don’t hurt me for thinking such non-sense Dave!)
By N8
July 6, 2007 1:03 AM | Link to this
*—->Berigan<—- *
It doesn’t matter that they were gonna hold him up ON THAT PLAY. It was a single. Even if Andruw fields it properly, bases are STILL loaded. Following that play there was 2 walks. They each would’ve scored runs with the bases loaded, and THEN Penny had another single.
So even if those 2 runs don’t score on the AJ error, they would’ve scored later in the inning.
I’m pretty sure DOB explained this earlier, but I could be wrong.
Even though it was an error, it wasn’t like a groundball to the SS. In other words, the error “allowed” runners to advance, but there really wasn’t a possiblilty for and “assumed” out on the play, since it was a single.
Had Hudson got the next two guys out, without allowing the 2 walks and Penny’s single, the 2 runs (I assume) would’ve been unearned.
By uga-dawg
July 6, 2007 1:04 AM | Link to this
boy sure could of used that edgar double there. hope thats not a bad omen. gotta love harris’s approach at the plate.
By mr baseball
July 6, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this
Here we have another example of why Bobby Cox is simply not a very bright manager. With 2 outs and no one on base in the 7th, up 1 run, why is Escobar hitting? Harris is highly unlikely to hit Stults, which means that Escobar’s walk is probably for nothing. This was a spot for Woodward to hit, but Cox has very little concept of how moves made earlier will impact late game situations.
Stults’ wildness may make Cox look good if Edgar gets a hit (almost, but not quite), but it’s still a dumb move.
Next decision, Oscar or Devine? Devine has not exactly been clutch in his brief appearances with the Braves, but then again, Oscar hasn’t pitched that great lately.
But this is Bobby Cox managing, so we’re getting Wilfredo “maybe I’ll get one batter out tonight” Ledezma. This lead ain’t gonna last long.
By --->Berigan<---
July 6, 2007 1:05 AM | Link to this
Will this game end before, or after 2 AM EST???
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 1:07 AM | Link to this
Wow, I know the old expression is scraping the bottom of the barrel, but Ledezma to pitch the 7th?!? I’m teeing my cat up right now and pulling out my 3-wood.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 1:08 AM | Link to this
Fastasballs Maybe some gold glover could have put that ball back in his glove, or even had the forethought to do so, but I played a lot of first, and much of it is reactionary. Also, I don’t think he is as bad as some would have you believe.
Paronto Haters You guys are the ones that are killing me. Check this guys record for the past month and a half. Dude has only had 4 bad outings this year, all but one in May, right after he came back tenative from the hamstring injury. Best ERA on the staff in that time period.
Wil Ledezma Holy Cornelius!
By TBFKB
July 6, 2007 1:09 AM | Link to this
WEB GEM!
By The Grinch
July 6, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this
Man, now that was a double play.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this
Need a sundial to time Saenz!
By Dwight Fry
July 6, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this
A song for Mr. N8:
In Caleefoniya we love our governor
Now we all did what we could do
Austrian accents do not bother us
Does your draaawlll bother you?
Tell the truth
Sweet home Caleefoniya
Where the sun is so gold
Sweet home Caleefoniya,
The weather’s never cold
By --->Berigan<---
July 6, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this
Now that was a double play! Could be play of the night on baseball tonight!!! Oh wait, it’s too late for baseball tonight!!! ;)
By MurphyRules
July 6, 2007 1:11 AM | Link to this
Holy double play, Renteria. I tell ya, he has to be one of the MOST UNDERRATED players in all of baseball. All he does is give you a .320-.330 batting average and solid defense (except for that year in Boston).
The Ultimate Professional!
By Fred Secunda
July 6, 2007 1:11 AM | Link to this
What a beautiful double play. Renteria and Johnson made Ledezma look good in the box score tomorrow.
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 1:13 AM | Link to this
Whew, we can breathe again. Was that one of the best double plays we’ve seen this year? Forget this trade Edgar crap…he’s our MVP so far this year.
By Train Wreck Bystander
July 6, 2007 1:13 AM | Link to this
HOSS!!! I bet AJ never catches him.
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 1:14 AM | Link to this
Hoss just passed Murph as the all-time Atlanta home-run leader with 372
By fastasballs
July 6, 2007 1:14 AM | Link to this
WOW, I believe Chipper’s power is back. He said it would take a few weeks, he’s right on the money.
By Apaul404
July 6, 2007 1:14 AM | Link to this
CHIPPER
By Gil In Mechanicsville
July 6, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this
My most sincere apologies to Mr. Larry Jones, no chimp is he….
By Fred Secunda
July 6, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this
Did anyone just hear Chip and Joe fumble over their words and start laughing while the camera was focused on that smoking blonde with the nice sweater potatoes? Man I could never be a broadcaster with distractions like those.
By --->Berigan<---
July 6, 2007 1:15 AM | Link to this
N8 Thanks for explaining that….weird, never come across that before, thought, an error was an error, and as long as a runner advanced, any runner that scored was not an earned run. Learn somethin’ new every day. Well, every other day, I am pretty smart! ;)
Wow, way to go Chipper!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 homers, one from each side! How many times has he done that now???
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 1:17 AM | Link to this
372. Congratulations Larry Wayne Jones! And, from both sides of the plate tonight. Even Smoltzie is smiling right now!!By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 1:17 AM | Link to this
Wayne, I’ve never met Dale but he and my brother were neighbors when he lived in Roswell … evidently quite involved in the community and actively co-chaired a cancer fundraising committee, maybe two with my sister-in-law … more than just an honorary thing. From what I hear, he’s the real deal … privately and publicly.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 1:17 AM | Link to this
Has “Hoss” gotten his power stroke back? Looks like AJ’s hitting streak might be in jeopardy. Who will we see in the 8th and 9th???
By Coach (The Spin Machine)
July 6, 2007 1:17 AM | Link to this
So much for a low scoring game. Just got off the phone with Scott Boras , he is in good spirits. Said , Andruw has had three productive at bats tonight and almost hit a grand slam(As if that counts), he should command around 20 or 22 million a season with that gold glove , who cares if he hits .200 all season , he saves ten runs a game( Boras was at the hotdog stand when Andruw let the ball get under his glove) with his defense.
By Fred Secunda
July 6, 2007 1:18 AM | Link to this
And now Chip follows it up with the line, “Chipper’s hit a couple of big melons out of the ballpark tonight.” Priceless. Anyone dogging on Carey as a broadcaster needs to check their comments at the door.
By N8
July 6, 2007 1:18 AM | Link to this
MBATL
“The Truth Hurts, yeah, that 1st-pitch home run Frenchy hit earlier… he really should’ve taken a couple of pitches to work the count.”
I was about to argue with you, that he ONLY has 9 HR’s, and has probably made many more outs on a first pitch, than not.
But after digging some, I think that I’m gonna stop ragging on him for hacking at the first pitches. I’ll elaborate.
On the 1st pitch:
25 for 79 (.316) with 6 HR and 17 RBI.
Any other pitch:
72 for 225 (.282) with 3 HR and 37 RBI.
Oddly enough (this one kills me), he has ONLY 17 AB’s this year with either a 2-0 or a 3-0 count….17!!. In those AB’s, he is 4 for 17 (.235) with 1 HR and 1 RBI. He has had ONE 3-0 count this year. It’s the frickin 5th of July!!!!
Unreal. Keep hacking Jeffrey.
By heath
July 6, 2007 1:19 AM | Link to this
double play?….heck…you see that nice camera work on that fan in the crowd that was…uh…easy on the eyes????
By fastasballs
July 6, 2007 1:19 AM | Link to this
I thought Soriano was not pitching tonight?
By Savannah Guy
July 6, 2007 1:19 AM | Link to this
Rookie Rules of Engagement Very nicely, albeit anonymously done. It would have been more poignant under a familiar moniker. Regardless, the rules were clever and mostly good points were made. Funny too. Your post voiced the some of the sentiments of many here, myself included.
That said, and in all due respect for the intent and humor of the effort, I caution against creating rules for this or any other blog forum. Rules tend be like laws…the ones who always break them with abandon don’t abide by them anyway and the ones who behave tend to get a bit put off or intimidated by them in fear they may break one inadvertently.
A “blog” is meant to…no, make that, HAS TO…offer unencumbered freedom of self-expression, idea and opinion exchange. It’s a new age medium of expression. There are societal norms and practices of acceptable and unacceptable language, appropriate and inappropriate behavior…but those are already mostly understood and mostly accepted by civil society. Anything more in the blog forum is merely a sentiment that, after a good chuckle, might actually stifle the interaction in negative ways.
Adding rules beyond legal and moral behavior to any blog creates a slippery slope. It condones a “good ol’ boy” mentality…a private club. It promotes a “we were here first” inoculation to some and promotes a hierarchy (pecking order) mentality like corporations and military. I was raised to believe that, “if you believe you are above someone else, then you also have to believe that someone is above you.”
Further, will we need to define “rookie”? Will “blog vets” be immune to reasonable criticism, even if they hit a long stretch of less than articulate, confusing, awkward self-absorption and babble?
Therefore, I propose an amendment to the “Rookie Rules”: Only one serious rule (No. 1.):
Don’t write anything that will get journalist and blogmeister David O’Brien in trouble with his boss.
Secondary rule but not cardinal: Don’t poke the badger. Serves no purpose and unless you enjoy combative relationships or being ignored or ridiculed, don’t do it.
Be natural, have fun and be original. You are what you write. Think before you post. That’s it.
If you want to join a community of interesting, witty, well-spoken wordsmiths and scribes…pay attention. Read the blog more than you post on it. Don’t be a drive-by “vent”elator or grenade thrower. If you just have to or are only capable of doing that…have at it. Get your kicks. But don’t expect respect or feedback. Besides DOB, there are some pretty savvy baseball aficionados and also some brilliant yet low-key writers of social and baseball commentary. Respect it. Enjoy it. Add to it.
Instead of “Rookie Rules”, call it “Blogger Practices, Advice and Guidelines”.
So that’s my suggestion for the “rookie rules”. Forgive if preachy but the blog rule subject punched a button here. Ok…serious hat off. Chipper just tagged a Braves record-breaking HR. Nice.
By Gil In Mechanicsville
July 6, 2007 1:21 AM | Link to this
MY OH MY, anyone else see that beautiful blonde that made Chip stumble… I’m moving to Calefornuh……..
By Henry
July 6, 2007 1:21 AM | Link to this
I thought Soriano was unavailable tonight?
By Savannah Guy
July 6, 2007 1:22 AM | Link to this
For the 50th time, Kelly is a very soft second baseman. He would make a fine first baseman for someone one day. Good kid. Soft. First base.
By --->Berigan<---
July 6, 2007 1:22 AM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah, I am starting to think folks don’t like Paronto for the same reason they get on Wicky, they are big, stocky, ok…fat guys. Most of the time, they get the job done, but make one mistake, and it was the fat around their belly that caused a slider to hang….
By Coach (The Spin Machine)
July 6, 2007 1:23 AM | Link to this
Harris .366 , Renteria .322 , Chipper .329 ( ANDRUW .199 ) Johnson .282 , Francoeur .290 , Salty .317 ……….. only Cox could get away with such madness.
By Just general blog rules
July 6, 2007 1:23 AM | Link to this
there are no rules (beyond human desency.)
that’s what makes it so much fun
By N8
July 6, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this
“I’m teeing my cat up right now and pulling out my 3-wood.”
Nice. LOL!
That was a VERY nice DP by Edgar and KJ. That’s what’s so frustrating about the earlier brain-fart plays.
Apparently Sorian IS available, huh?
Burn em’ up Bobby. Unreal.
By Daybed Wagmoe
July 6, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this
congrats hoss!
By Austin
July 6, 2007 1:25 AM | Link to this
Wayne in Utah Do you know why I am a paranto hater? Maybe its because even though they have been scorless inningsin his last 11 innnings he has allowed 11 baserunners
By bravesfan
July 6, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this
Hey what happened to all the mets fans on here they sure are quiet now. Bullpen line score so far 5 IP, 4 hits, 0 ER thats pretty good. Wickman better shut it down. Dang it’s been 7 years since Chipper has hit a HR from the right side and left side of the plate.
By mr baseball
July 6, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this
As Chipper goes, so go the Braves. Where have we heard that before? So much for Soriano’s unavailability tonight. He looks better than he has in a while, which is encouraging.
Cox may do a lot of things you can argue with as manager, but he dam well makes an effort to win every game he’s in the dugout, even if puts future games at risk.
With Carlyle, Reyes and either Davies or James on short rest starting in San Diego this weekend, 13 pitchers may not be enough.
This game may have been almost comically sloppy at times, but it’s been entertaining as hell and worth staying up until the wee hours. And with Big Boy Bob closing, we still have no idea how it’s gonna turn out.
By uga-dawg
July 6, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this
nice job chip one from each side of plate to break the record. kind of ironic it happens on the night when smoltz is not there. all this team really need is just some respctable starting pitching. guess soriano is available. hey all you bobby bashers out there cant make chicken salad out of chicken sh##. MEDIOCRE PAYROLL EQULALS LOTS OF HOLES. CANT COVER UP A LOWSY EFFORT AND I MEAN EFFORT FROM DAVIES. Never seen a guy i loathe on the mound more since reitsmaaaa and dan its the water coolers fault KOLB.
By Savannah Guy
July 6, 2007 1:29 AM | Link to this
(Warning: This is long, so most won’t read…but you will. It was written before my last one, hence…way too many posts by this blogger tonight. Maybe there will be a blog rule about that tomorrow. This non-sensical post does not mention Andruw Jones, Kyle Davies, Tim Hudson or Wilson Betemit even once…or even baseball for that matter. You have been fairly warned. Any similarity to actual events or denizens is purely purposeful and not coincidental. No rules apply)
The Mouse, The Button, The Pulpit and The Cheese
A BLOG FABLE
ONCE UPON A TIME, in a land not far away, there was an experimental laboratory that specialized in the study of common and exotic creatures. Many of these critters included mice of the genus Maximus-statisticus and also genus Bravo-fanaticus, both found throughout the south but occasionally seen in other parts of the country due to errant migration or forced transplantation.
In our Daily Observation & Behavior (DOB) Clinic, a “mouse community” is maintained and studied. These fuzzy creatures all have the same environment to play in, yet they demonstrate dramatically different behavior.
Clinic studies include colony interaction, mouse/lab interaction, mouse communication, feedback and lab support. To monitor mouse socialization we provide Pavlovian testing to better gauge trends and habits so that we can maintain the most enjoyable environment possible. The DOB Clinic Director and Laboratory Manager has been appropriately nicknamed, “The Big Cheese”.
In this research facility, mice communities reside in very large BOXES made from man-made, enviro-friendly, wood-free LOGS (for short, they are called BLOGS). Each BLOG has two buttons inside for research and ID purposes: The RED BUTTON, when pressed, emits a self-gratifying little tickle to the mouse that pushes it, but simultaneously delivers an annoying smell and uncomfortable jolt to the rest of the colony and sometimes throughout the Clinic.
Some mice become so self-absorbed they just lay on the red button. This behavior is Boorish, Outlandish and Garish (BOG). This activity can be quite annoying to the entire colony and, if it goes on too long, invariably draws the attention of the D.O.B. Director.
On the other side of the BLOG there is a GREEN (positive) button that, when pressed, releases a tasty little morsel to the mouse that did the deed. There is not much effect on other mice in the colony when the green button is pushed, other than an occasional feeling homer pride, giggling or in some cases if green is pressed too often can actually lead to…nausea. Rookie mice are most apt to do this.
Most critters will usually balance their attention between the red and green buttons. When the proper balance is kept, there exists harmony in the critter colony and with the lab manager.
As you might expect, certain furry-mammal species have completely different and at times diametrically opposed tendencies, even though they might look the same. For instance, the Southeastern Pollyanna Homer-Mouse seems to just “camp out” on the green button. This is odd behavior, but it seems to make them so happy that the Director just allows them to eat away and get fat. Nirvana. Such bliss. The lab Director and most of the colony usually ignore them.
As a complete contrast, consider the recent case:
The Innate-Pavlovian-Rodent that seemed inclined to press only the red button - over and over - for hours, days and weeks at a time. This particular rat displayed adequate and at times above average intelligence, but seemed to have, well, an…innate ability to hit that negative button over and over. Green buttons were never even a consideration.
As all good lab Directors and veteran BLOG managers know, mouse habits become obsessions, which become behavior, which is then emulated by other mice…especially the young or rookie mice.
Unchecked, the uncontrolled pushing of the red button causes the annoying bell to ring and ring and ring in the lab, disturbing the DOB Director and the entire mouse colony. The mice sometimes get so rattled and excited by this rodent’s innate annoyance they begin to jump around, squeal and gnaw on each other. The laboratory Director is forced to give the misbehaving critter a flick across the box.
Lab Directors, like any good manager, just want to control the colony enough to see that all of the other mice don’t go crazy fighting over the little red button or become crazed by the hateful rodent–caused discomfort. It could become back-flipping, one-upping, fur-flying chaos without intervention at times. If the colony gets too out of hand in the mouse BLOG, the Association of Jiggly Crusaders (AJC) could step in and place strict rules on the entire clinic.
Another recent case of mouse-misbehavior: There was an incident very recently, in which:
Southern Alpha-Coach Mouse, genus politicos mentionus problemis, was attempting to herd other mice to the far-right side of the colony so that none were left…on the left.
Evidently this mouse got so belligerent with his squeaks and attacks on other mice on the left side of the BLOG that the DOB Clinic Director had to remove the problem mouse and place it in a holding pen away from the colony. This mouse is expected to return when he calms down and quits badgering the colony. This mouse also knowingly broke one of the colony’s most important rules: Don’t poke the badger. The badger will remove the head of a common mouse. Prod, cajole, kid, even be disagreeable…but don’t poke.
Another rule of the DOB Clinic is to always keep the critter population healthy, well fed and free of bugs and over-feisty critters. The clinic does not want slow mice or have them behave unnaturally…the Clinic wants only a diverse, healthy, free and sociable population for the sustainability of the colony and the avoidance of too many rules.
It is not the Clinics desire that all creatures just lazily lay around getting along with each other, all fat and happy like the classic genus Pollyanna-sporaticus. The clinic is aiming for a natural habitat, so that that a naturally sassy, diverse and interactive population is maintained around and about the Clinic. Resident rats and mice are treated to music and other eclectic activities and subjects, fed only the best diet, such as acorns, cashews and BBQ. The Director and Lab Manager, “The Big Cheese” at the DOB Clinic won’t have it any other way.
THE MORAL
The Big Cheese Gives A Rat Sass
By N8
July 6, 2007 1:29 AM | Link to this
“smoking blonde with the nice sweater potatoes?”
LOVE IT! If she was tanning on a nude beach, would they be considered “baked potatoes”? :-)
—->Berigan<—-
Not a problem dude.
By Coach (The Spin Machine)
July 6, 2007 1:32 AM | Link to this
Three more outs.
By Apaul404
July 6, 2007 1:35 AM | Link to this
Come on wickman, one, two, three… please?
By fastasballs
July 6, 2007 1:35 AM | Link to this
Ok everyone take your favorite antacid……
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 1:35 AM | Link to this
Berigan Personally, I would prefer most of my players to be in better shape than Paronto or Wickman, BUT, I remember Mickey Lolich in the 1968 World Series. Awesome. Girth is not as big of a hinderance for pitchers.
Savannah Dude I don’t think that KJ will be a 10 year second sacker, although I wouldn’t be overly disappointed if he is. I suspect with all the good middle infield prospects up and down our system, Kelly might have to move to another city or position to get starters minutes.
Someone earlier asked about JC Holt. His numbers are not showing any power, but he HAS hit at all levels so far.
Bob, J I too have heard nothing but positives about my man Murph. Hope to meet him someday.
Come on Wickman!!!
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 1:36 AM | Link to this
“Apparently Sorian IS available, huh?
Burn em’ up Bobby. Unreal.”
Who do you suggest he puts in right there then N8? I don’t know about you, but in my eyes this is a pretty important game and one that we absolutely need to have. Who’s left down there? He already threw Ledezma, Paronto and Moylan. The only person who deserves to be criticized in this game (other than Andruw) is our “Ace” Tim Hudson.
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this
So, it’s Wick time in the 9th. I am planning to turn off TBS, flip over to Cinemax to catch a few minutes of Bedtime stories and then I’ll catch you guys on the flip side. Not sure if I can “stomach” another Wickman roller coaster.
By mr baseball
July 6, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this
Mr. O’Brien: Any idea what illegal substance (or legal beverages of an alcoholic nature)the Dodgers’ official scorer has been ingesting? Clearly, no one in his right mind would be making some of the decisions that nitwit has rendered tonight. Any chance that’s Tommy Chong making those calls?
By Todd A
July 6, 2007 1:37 AM | Link to this
Ugghh….Wickman time.Get ready for the roller coaster ride.
By Savannah Guy
July 6, 2007 1:38 AM | Link to this
Will Wicky be there? Will he do it? Have cheeseburgers been consumed in moderation> So many questions…
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 1:39 AM | Link to this
Now hold on for dear life, the Wicky is in…
By TBFKB
July 6, 2007 1:40 AM | Link to this
thats a big win………way to go bullpen
By Apaul404
July 6, 2007 1:40 AM | Link to this
Thank you Bob.
By N8
July 6, 2007 1:41 AM | Link to this
Nice game tonight fellows. The bullpen picked up the shoddy defense from the early innings.
Ugly….but nice.
Goodnight all.
By --->Berigan<---
July 6, 2007 1:41 AM | Link to this
You know, as unpredictable as this game was, it only makes sense that Wickman have a 1,2,3 inning!!!!
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 1:43 AM | Link to this
I have been on this blog for almost 2 years so I think I have this power, everyone who has stuck it out…past all of that bad play…the ups and downs of this game…it’s now 1:40 in the a.m., and I bestow upon you Vet status.
By HP
July 6, 2007 1:43 AM | Link to this
Wickman used 4 Pitches to get 3 outs Never seen that before. Great win for braves and now lets go get the Padres. Go Braves!!
By Bob
July 6, 2007 1:43 AM | Link to this
Great job by the Bullpen. Cannot believe how well they pitched the past two nights. And yeah, Mets Drool, don’t wake up with a hangover. Want you to be able to read the scores friend. When you are old enough, be careful if you ever go to Vegas. The house will be looking for you kid.
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 1:45 AM | Link to this
Wickman gets it done, HUGE win… Now if we can just somehow take 2 out of 3 from San Diego we shouldn’t be any more than 3 back of NY at the break.
Hey, has there been any word on whether or not Chuck James will start Sunday on short rest? I sure hope so, if it’s between James on short rest or Davies thats a no-brainer…
By Chop Chop
July 6, 2007 1:46 AM | Link to this
Before I pass out, I gotta give the boys a lot of credit. They split in L.A. and I didn’t think they had a chance in hell of doing so. Thanks to Chipper doin’ some record-settin’ tonight and some very strong bullpen work, this road trip looks like it can’t possibly be all bad. Let’s just hope the Braves can at least take one in San Diego and go 5-5 on this sucker. I’d take that in a heartbeat, wouldn’t you?
By Savannah Guy
July 6, 2007 1:47 AM | Link to this
Andruw did Andruw…uh..nevermind.
Bullpen did good. Very good. Bully-pen pull-pit.
Wicky did good. Was it the ginger salad?
Chipper did double good. Was it the thumbs? Dale Murphy record is broken….but he did good too.
All is good in Bravesville.
Good night and good luck.
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 1:47 AM | Link to this
Daaaaaaa Braaaaaaaaaves Winnnnnnnnn!!
By Coach (The Spin Machine)
July 6, 2007 1:48 AM | Link to this
Thank God for blisters ! Soriano and Wickman won’t pitch , lol. Don’t play poker with Bobby Cox , he will clean you out.
By The Truth Hurts
July 6, 2007 1:49 AM | Link to this
My point about Frenchy going back to swinging at first pitches: it seems his walk totals have come to a screeching halt. It’s not hard to scout a guy who swings so much at the first pitch. Pitchers will continue to learn. As N8 or B9 said, he’s had one 3-0 count all year. It worked well once tonight. Chances are good that he who lives by the sword will die by it, too. It’s an unhealthy approach. Can’t cure the disease by masking the symptoms.
Savannah Guy wins longest Blog of the Internet Era Award.
Congratulations. It now takes an extra 17 minutes to refresh the blog.
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 1:49 AM | Link to this
I saw the Prairie Home Companion Special on PBS tonight … Garrison Keillor is a throw back of the first order … though he sorta self destructed when he took he leave a few years back … you want good humor and entertainment … his old radio shows are highly recommended. He and Chet Atkins had a special rapport and were always good together.
One of Wayne’s comments reminded me that I wanted to take issue with those who have been critical of the pen … they may take missteps now and then, but methinks they’ve done a good job … not just individually but collectively too!
They didn’t do too bad tonight either! 8-6 … take that you micromanaging, bandwagonjumping, negativevibe emitting fans of little faith!
By Jimbo
July 6, 2007 1:49 AM | Link to this
Someone explain why Thorman isn’t in Richmond and Pena up with the big club? Pena gives them so many more options especially with Salty.
By MBATL
July 6, 2007 1:50 AM | Link to this
Really a stupid post, Savannah Guy. Just my opinion.
By fastasballs
July 6, 2007 1:51 AM | Link to this
Why does the worn out bullpen look better than the rested pen? I know that’s like asking why the Braves hit so much better on the road.
Good win, albeit a sloppy one, but they all count the same.
On to San Diego, taking 2 of 3 would be nice. Hopefully the offense can keep it up. The All Star break will be a welcome sight for a tired team. If they can finish this trip on a strong note the second half hold a lot of promise depending on pitching. They have plenty of offense. Kelly looked good in the 5 hole tonight. Harris or Escobar leading it off has been working, the speed at the top of the order makes a huge difference.
Wouldn’t it be great if Reyes gives them a Chuck James type 2006 season? That and a servicable Carlyle could do the trick. I know I’m drinking…..I mean dreaming again.
By geauxbraves2000
July 6, 2007 1:51 AM | Link to this
Congrats Hoss! This was an awesome win by the Braves tonight, and wow, what a job by the pen. And to top it off, a very uneventful 9th by the Wick.
Nite all.
Geaux Braves!!
By The Grinch
July 6, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this
Wicky’s the man. As I recall, I was lauding Chipper’s hitting ability a week or two ago when most of you were calling to trade him for a bag of balls. I will now beat my chest in triumph. G’night.
By Coach (The Spin Machine)
July 6, 2007 1:56 AM | Link to this
Thorman is here due to this fact. When Salty catches , McCann sits , Thorman plays 1B. You wouldn’t want Woodward starting instead , now would you ?
By Lew
July 6, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this
Nathan-That line about Andruw swinging and missing if he charged the mound was your best ever. There may actually be hope for you yet, son. This was a good win. Chipper is a marvel -if he can just stay healthy. We’ve sure got a better pen than last year. At the rate we’re using them, though, better keep Boyer and Hernandez ready. Hope reyes proves many here wrong about the Braves developing pitchers. I’m tired. I hate these 4 hour west coastr games. Time for bed. Good night, all.
By Tomahawkin' Again
July 6, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this
Ho hum, just another 3 hr 30 min walk in the park for our Bravos. Ha Ha. Denizens of the Blog, we survived LA, now it’s down the coast to finish the road trip w/SD. Win 2 of 3 this weekend and we’re set-up to catch the Muts within a week to 10 days after the break. See you later on tonight.
By Savannah Guy
July 6, 2007 2:00 AM | Link to this
* The Truth Hurts* Oops. My bad…? Sorry it takes you so long to refresh. Have you tried high-speed? Comcast? Cable? Or are you an AOL guy? Wake up and smell 2007 friendly denizen.
Hey, if you can’t run with the dogs…
Just kidding. Be sure to read it next time it boots up. It’s for you.
By P-Town Brave
July 6, 2007 2:01 AM | Link to this
We need a good 6 from Buddy tomorrow and Jo Jo Saturday
The MVP the last couple nights has to be Pete Moylan…just outstanding pitching! I’d like to get a big lead tomorrow night and cruise…maybe thats asking for too much…then again, maybe Joey gets a shot to pitch tomorrow…I mean he by far has to have the freshest arm! Glad to be heading off to bed w/ a W and still only 3 back of the Mets…more importantly, I feel the Pads series is for the taking and if we bring the bats, a sweep may be likely…and Yes, I did say that!
Congrats to Chipper for breaking the record…I hope it stands for a long time as he will most likely be known as a career Brave!
Night all and see you back here later on tonight!
By Coach (The Spin Machine)
July 6, 2007 2:02 AM | Link to this
Mother of God ! Thats 67 freaking runs in the last ten games , the offense is smoking inspite of Andruw. 6.70 per game , unreal ! Way to go Chipper , Dale Murphy will be smiling tomorrow ( or could be already).
By fastasballs
July 6, 2007 2:03 AM | Link to this
I hope Carlyle pitches well tomorrow night. He should be well rested after the 3 innings he pitched because of the rain down in Florida.
The offense is going to carry this team for a while, with or without Andruw. Nothing fires this team up more than a Chipper Jones who is flat raking the ball. Everyone seems to be having their roles more defined. Nobody can argue the offense has been a lot better with Escobar & Harris leading off.
Was that a 4 pitch save from Wickman? Amazing!
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 2:06 AM | Link to this
The Dilemma that is Bob Wickman
For you folks that haven’t followed “Wicky” before he became a Brave, this year has been a typical one for him. He throws it across the plate. You hit it, the fielders try to get you out. Nothing flashy, just moving the ball around and changing speeds. The same type of things that “Mad Dog” has done for years, albeit with more success.
So, it’s a lot like the pitcher the Orioles had back in the late 70’s, named Don Stanhouse. Earl Weaver had a nickname for him, and I can’t remember it exactly, but it was something like “Two Pack” because you would smoke 2 packs of cigarettes worrying about whether he would get out of the inning or not.
Well, Wickman is our “Two Pack” for the Braves. The trick to finding joy as a baseball fan is self awareness. I think we need to know what we have in Wickman. Accept it, and not get to overly critical when he does what he does.
Sorry for getting too deep.
Maybe we will get to see Devine tomorrow night, to close out the NINETH INNING OF OUR 10-0 BLOWOUT OF THE PADRES!!
Sorry Austin, but all pitchers give up some inherited runners. Villarreal is the worst in my opinion on the Braves. I still like Paronto.
By uga-dawg
July 6, 2007 2:07 AM | Link to this
nice comeback in game and as well as series. could of easily folded tent after tuedays debacle by kyle (the hammer as his father calls him)davies. great effort from moylan and rest of pen. hey DOB we get a huge break by not having to face PEAVY AND YOUNG this weekend. renteria gave another all STAR PERFORMANCE at plate and in field. took series from the dodgers which could be big if we are still around in sept. conventional wisdom tells me we wont be based on lousy starting pitching, but hey you just never know. If smoltz is seriosly hurt all bets are off. hey can anyone tell me what our record is against winning starters? nice to see bats come alive against a quality staff though. decision time on thorman below average everywhere except hustle reminds me of a poor mans klesko. push came to shove KJ could play first and ecobar could play second so go ahead and bring up third catcher for flexability. no doubt though season hinges on c jones and smoltz being healthy throughout and andruw deviating toward the mean. N8 LOVE YOUR POSTS FIND THEM INFORMATIVE AND VERY PRAGMATIC.
By Gil In Mechanicsville
July 6, 2007 2:09 AM | Link to this
Savannah Guy Brilliant piece of satire… It is what I love about this blog, it’s better than a variety show as far as entertainment.
Now… where did that monkey go???
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 2:10 AM | Link to this
This is going to sound horribly arrogant, but here goes because this just needs to be said about Savannah Guy: Savannah Guy, that Rookie Rules of Engagement was written by me and I did claim credit for it if you read all of the posts above as you advised all of the others to do in your 1:19 a.m. ….. You would have seen that I said that they were entirely tongue in cheek ….. The most ironic thing about your stupid response is that the entire post written by me was almost entirely written with you specifically in mind because of my growing annoyance over the last few weeks with YOU AS A ROOKIE BLOGGER! …….. in fact, it was written entirely with you in mind. No other blogger really annoys me much at all …..
Again, you are completely confused ….. Why would I put my name on it? Again, that is your own self importance getting in the way of logic and understanding. It was not meant for any individual to take credit for ….. It was meant as a decree of frequently discussed frustrations of all bloggers over the past year …… It was meant for all because the voice of all was being expressed in that post, not that of any one voice on the blog ….. it was really a shared collaboration of all of us that I just so happened to type ….. but you are such a self involved superficial fella, that yet again, you completely fail to understand things like that …. all you can think of is how you go about things ….. you keep telling forced corny jokes looking for us all to pat you on the back … and when you don’t get that attention, you start begging and pestering everyone for it until we all have to tell you, yeah, yeah, it was funny just to shut the annoying guy from Savannah up
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 2:13 AM | Link to this
FURTHERMORE, Savannah Guy, you have violated almost every single one of those mock rookie rules of engagement in a fashion that is very annoying. You have gone after DOB. You have often done your cute little recaps attacking and mocking other bloggers… You repeatedly pepper DOB with annoying inane lame questions and jokes even after being ignored on numerous occasions…. Your stuff in the past with your inane blogger recaps was well done …. but is also really your entire claim to fame on here…. you also last weekend enflamed a situation between Bob and myself with your ROOKIE naivete …. having zero clue about what was going on around you because you are so self involved and because of your relative blog inexperience …….
ALSO, ROOKIE GUY, if you were not a rookie, you would have known instantly who had authored it …… I don’t think DOB, JJS, Bob Journalist, the Grinch, N8, Lew, SJA, Wayne or any of the others I respect had any doubt that I was the author of that ….. my email address never changes, so DOB can readily see it ….. I hate to be presumptous like that but it was entirely within my writing style they are all painfully familiar with and often annoyed with …. and the post contained numerous references to past dialogue I have had with all of them …. But you are a rookie, so your naivete is to be expected …… Hang around a little longer …… maybe you will catch on to what is going on around you before you start speaking, preaching, and lecturing ….. thus far, you have seemed completely incapable of such …… now go back to your little forced cats, cradle, mice, and silver spoon humor…. That is the one thing the blog is in desperate need of …. a corny rookie who cuts and pastes knock and knock email jokes we have all read and received six thousand times before you ever post them on here ….. but thanks for sharing ….. unfortunately, I can’t immediately delete them like I did the first 500 times I received them in an email …. usually from a woman and never a man
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 6, 2007 2:14 AM | Link to this
A good education ain’t a bad thing to have, unless you don’t have the intelligence to use it…some are educated way beyond their intelligence…and I reckon rules are made to be broken…oh silence, how eloquent…now baseball…
By A-ville Ranger
July 6, 2007 2:16 AM | Link to this
Great stuff from Chipper tonight.When he’s in the lineup he’s still the best hitter on the roster.It would have been good for the hr record to come in Atl or even better at Shea.I don’t know about moving Moylan to the rotation.He has proven value working relief.I’ve been as up and down about the team as the team has been…well up and down.I’ve never wavered on Moylan and Yates’s abitity to be long term contributers though.I’m really excited about Reyes,I have friends and family in the Rome area and they think he can help.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 2:16 AM | Link to this
Nite all. Drive safely Dave.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 2:19 AM | Link to this
I ain’t done ranting like a lunatic just yet ….. oh, no, I ain’t …. I’m gonna go Wellman tonight on Savannah …. If the tongue in cheek humor of it all was lost on you, then rook maybe you need to go spend some time in the minors …. did not hear a complaint about it from any of the others on here whose opinion I respected and even those who I do not respect ….. kid, you got some talent on ya, but stick to attacking other bloggers with your blogger recaps ….. it’s about all you are worth because that is about the only time you are true to yourself and thus why it is the only time you are even somewhat halfway humurous …. when you force it with your hamming it up cheese sucking up to other bloggers is when you are at your weakest …. when you mock all of us is when you are a contender, an up and comer…. otherwise you have became the master of forced lame cornball cheese
Oh well, thanks for the lecture on how to properly set up rules in a blog society ….. the same idiot who demanded the establishment of rules regarding name changes last week… HYPROCRITE!
BTW, do you ever have any opinions about the team we all are talking about ….. I have yet to see you post anything about the Braves or any of the players ….. that KJ opinion of yours was just about the dumbest thing I have heard in quite some time on here …. that is actually a pretty hard feat to pull off ….. all you got in you is just that forced cornball humor … but please give me another cornball knock knock joke with a few recipes …… We have been desperately looking for the next Martha Stewart/Bob Newhart on the blog ….. thanks for taking that role over for us
Sorry everybody ….. this sounded really horribly arrogant ….. but this guy is just hopelessly and utterly clueless …….. I personally could care less about who is a rook or a vet ….. it was just a play on clubhouse etiquette ….. but this guy gets on my last nerve with his stupidity and vapidity …. he takes a joke and takes the freaking thing literally …. the self importance is astounding ….
By Gil In Mechanicsville
July 6, 2007 2:19 AM | Link to this
Okay, close it out Wayne.. Time for this old rat to find a hole… Night all.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 2:26 AM | Link to this
SJA Where have you been, my friend? Long game tonight, but a W is a W, as they say. I am looking forward to seeing this kid on Saturday, and would like to see Devine get a few calls this weekend.
Take ‘er easy!
Where the heck is my late night buddy Serbok??? Serbok Dude! I am fading fast, and will probably miss your response, but will check in tomorrow morning.
By gotigers72
July 6, 2007 2:32 AM | Link to this
Wow, the bullpen has pitched great the last 2 nights. 10 innings, 1 run. Not too shabby. The starters need to pick it up though, or else all of the relievers’ arms will fall off simultaneously in early August.
You people that get on this blog and blast Chipper, I feel sorry for you. You don’t know baseball, and you don’t realize what an elite [and clutch] player you’re getting to watch. I know the injuries have hurt his elite player image the last 3 years, but face it, this guy can flat out play this game when he is well. One of the top 10-15 players in the game.
Carlyle, Reyes and Davies going at San Diego. Petco is a pitchers’ park, thus San Diego is not one of the top offensive teams. We miss Peavy and Young, so my prediction is 2-1 for the series. I’m afraid Maddux vs. Davies is a mismatch in favor of the Padres, but we have a good chance in the other 2 games. A 6-4 road trip would be nice, and then they play some not so good teams after the break. Hopefully they will play as good against the losing teams as they have against the winning teams, except for the AL teams they played. I think they have winning records against all winning NL teams that they have played. Mets, Phillies, Brewers, Cubs, Dodgers and Padres. Check it out.
By Coach (The Spin Machine)
July 6, 2007 2:33 AM | Link to this
Check your IQ at the door. We live in a Democracy that is imperfect at best due to the fractured humanity that we all are. Free will is the freedom that God has endowed us with. Life is a daily choice made to prove our worth(salvation) in the eyes our Creator. I’m lactose intolerant , meat and potatoes only please.
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 2:34 AM | Link to this
I’m fading fast myself, Gil. Is the game on TBS tomorrow? Gotta room to paint and lots of work to do tomorrow night. My middle son is having a wedding reception (he was married 6 weeks ago) in my backyard week from Saturday, and I have a honey-do list long as SJA’s arm.
Still looking for my buddy Serbok. Willy Wally, you done ranting tonight?? You might have to take one for Wicky tonight. I have a “tired” arm, from doing the fist pump tonight for our bullpen.
Later…..
By The Truth Hurts
July 6, 2007 2:35 AM | Link to this
MBATL, um, LaRoche’s .240 isn’t good, but it’s climbing. However, his 13/51 IS good and trumps any combination at 1st (and includes Gonzalez’s contribution). The production is appearing as if it’s going to be pretty impressive.
Yes, you would probably have complained were he here hitting .240/13/51. However, it’s about run production in the middle of the lineup, not average.
Thorman thus far has done neither—hit for average or produce runs.
And, nobody knows about Lillibridge yet. He’s hitting .250, by the way. There’s no sure thing there—just ask Khalil Greene.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 2:39 AM | Link to this
Wayne, Willy Wally will be shutting ‘er down tonight. Go to bed my friend. Yeah, I’m almost down ranting. Hopefully, I’ll be finished by the time our buddy Serbok shows up. He better not mess with me. I ain’t in the mood. Just kidding, Serbok (sort of).
By uga-dawg
July 6, 2007 2:41 AM | Link to this
one last thought on mackay mcbride. he always reminded me of that little fat kid in the movie STAND BY ME. MACKAY MIGHT be better off in a pie eating contest than pitching in the bigs. always looked like he was gonna cry when bobby came out there to get him. we basicaly traded him for detroits same kind of fustrations. both have extremely high whips. Now on to FRANCOUER in one year he will become our version of the PHILLIES PAT BURRELL. BOTH HAVE LOADS OF TALENT BUT NO APPROACH AT THE PLATE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS NOT MUCH BETTER THAN THE HORRIFICALLY STRUGGLING ANDRUW.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 2:51 AM | Link to this
Below will be my final modified post of the RROE…… They are subject to further addendum and amendment…. all suggestions are welcome …. as if it is not long enough already as is ……. retraction, redaction, contraction might be warranted ….. have at it …. it belongs to the blog now…. do what you all like with it…..
Sorry but none of Savannah Guy’s oh so serious proposed amendments or addendums or rules or guidelines will be even considered …. but if you are looking for some corny knock knock jokes, my email inbox is loaded with ‘em …. I’ll be happy to post ‘em or spare all of you by forwarding ‘em all on to you so you can immediately delete them ….. What would Savannah Guy do then?
ANOTHER THING, dense one, if you read the posts like you advised us all to do, you would have seen that not only did I claim authorship of the stupid mock rules but I also claimed credit for the Blogs of Carribean bit mocking the very same rules …… doh!
I’m hungry Martha Newhart, got another recipe you wanna share with me. Maybe next time I’m down in Savannah ….. no doubt that cheese and corn will be included in the recipe
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 2:51 AM | Link to this
Ya’ll still want to trade Hoss?
By gotigers72
July 6, 2007 2:51 AM | Link to this
Cormier’s numbers from his start at Richmond tonight. 4 2/3innings - 10 hits - 6R - 6ER - 2BB - 3Ks. His ERA at Richmond is now 6.65.
Doesn’t look like they’ll get any help from himthis year at the ML level.
By bravessucktonight
July 6, 2007 2:55 AM | Link to this
ah, I am a new blogger just tonight. I had to get that stuff about Huddy off my chest. Call me Tom In Sandy Springs if you like! Go Braves, I was a season ticket older from 1992 til they let Maddux go without an offer. :( See ya Wayne.
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 6, 2007 2:57 AM | Link to this
Rookie Rules of Engagement
DISCLAIMER: SOME ROOKIES MAY ACTUALLY TAKE THIS FAR TOO LITERALLY. THIS IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. IT IS TONGUE IN CHEEK (FOR THE MOST PART). GOT IT MARTHA NEWHART?
Do not directly address any veteran blogger….. You can speak to a vet blogger when a vet speaks to you first
When vets are fighting with each other….. Stay the hell out of it….. otherwise, you will get caught in the nuclear fallout…… similar to not picking sides when a husband or wife fight with each other….. when the drama is over, they will get back together and both will hate you for no other reason than they do no want to resolve the difficulties between them and it is easier to unite with each other by creating a common enemy…….. For reference, see the Chipper/Smoltz backstabbing…… they might even call you a bulldog because you reported their bull and dared to call them out on their b.s.!
Don’t dare utter another word about the Devil Rays. This includes Baldelli, Crawford, Kazmir, Dukes, Upton, heck, every single bloody one of them….. The same is true about the dirtiest word on this great blog: OUTAVOIDANCE! …… And never, ever dare mention Whitesnake unless it is to mock ……. For example, since the Braves were 24-12, they have really been Whitesnaking ….. Also, don’t call Hoss a wuss or Bobby a Donk …. And Alice in Chains was not better than Nirvana
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 2:58 AM | Link to this
Wayne, I hear you, and agreed.
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 3:00 AM | Link to this
Gotigers, thanks for the update. No announcement was made here. That’s a pretty weak outing, though better than his last one. Not counting on Lance anytime soon, if at all.
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 6, 2007 3:00 AM | Link to this
Mike Hampton can not just be released…… they still have to pay the darn money to him … … Andruw can not, will not be traded….. 10/5 guy and he and Boras fully intend to take advantage of that….. DOB can not wish away the $80 mil payroll…….. Enough already about Wilson Betemit……. you will be told he is a fringe player whether you wanna believe it true or not…… that was a year ago anyway …… McCann was not given that contract so he can be traded……
Shaun is very passionate in his beliefs and principles ……. If you are gonna disagree with Shaun, get ready to engage in a day long battle where you will be pounded into statistical submission….. the blog will suffer irreversible paralysis by statistical analysis if you so go there ….. Shaun is a clinician about everything except his fave Druw
Quite simply, Robert thinks Bobby Cox is a Donk ….. you will hear this taped recording play over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over AGAIN!
N8 is really called NHATE not innate……… He is a good fan and a good man but he will really wear you out with his negativity if you don’t brace yourself for him ……. as even the Wurlitzer winning sweehearted poet and lyricist Wayne now swears
Grinch, Carolina Lady, Bob Journalist, and Journalist Jimmy Smith are institutions….. the Mt. Rushmore of the Blog …. don’t mess with them no matter how much they lead with their chin….. the whole blog will hate you if you take a swing at them
Don’t cross Lew and his blogmates …… He is the Charles Bronson Enforcer of the Blog and will not hesitate to mete out vigilante justice when he deems necessary ….. But he is a big hearted Teddy Bear and if you do right by him and your blogmates, you will find yourself in possession of a prized Wurlitzer he handcrafts himself
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 6, 2007 3:03 AM | Link to this
If you really want attention….. say something really shocking or intelligent ….. make a name for yourself…… just nothing lewd, crude, profane…… a well thought out and crafted opinion usually does the trick, even if misguided …. and please don’t tell forced corny, cheesy jokes you stole from an email, get insulted when we don’t laugh and pester us until we tell you it is funny trying to get you go away finally
DON’T BACKTALK THE MANAGER: Don’t go after DOB….. that’s just tacky……. and stupid….. and just wrong….. if you don’t like what he says or does, then leave …… it is his friggin blog, folks…… why continue to be around something you proclaim to detest…… This used to be the Don’t Be An Idiot Rule….. it has now been changed to Don’t Act Like Coach Rule … … If El Hombre knocks you down with a pitch, don’t complain, it is a badge of honor. Don’t ever dare forget El Hombre has the Face Of A Closer! ……… If you ask stupid questions, you are going to be called stupid by your fellow blogmates ….. ‘cause there ain’t stupid questions, only stupid bloggers …. Don’t directly ask DOB stupid questions ……. even more so, don’t be shocked when he does not respond to them …… state your opinion……. if DOB agrees or disagrees, he will let you know…… ONLY if it is something worth commenting on. If he says nothing, then take the freaking hint
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 3:03 AM | Link to this
Dave I say let’s keep him for a while. Boy I wish somebody could figure out how to keep ole Hoss healthy.
I am jealous. For 4 plus years, I was a sales trainer for everything west of Colorado. I had many favorite cities to travel to and visit, but San Diego ranks right up there at the top! To be honest, I love almost all of the west, but SD is a great city to visit.
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 6, 2007 3:05 AM | Link to this
When Coltrane is away, it does not mean the mice can play ……. Do unto Stinson and Rogers as you would do unto O’Brien……… Whatever respect you show to DOB, show in kind as well to CR & TS…….. Also, it is very nasty and tacky to point out mistakes in the reports of DOB and Carroll and Stinny on the face of the blog. If such is noticed, send them an email. Email address for El Hombre is dobrien@ajc.com. Email address for La Chica Bonita is crogers@ajc.com. Email address for Stinny is tstinson@ajc.com …….. Also, don’t dare mention that you got information from another source without first checking whether DOB has already mentioned that info in his reports…. Very rude
Persistent buggers, don’t ask questions more than once … … very annoying to your blogmates ….. At 12:03 p.m. - Hey, DOB, is blah blah player getting called up?………….. At 12:17 p.m., Hey, Dave is blah blah player getting called up? …………… At 12:41 p.m., Hey O’Brien, is blah blah player getting called up? You didn’t answer me the first time……. At 1:07 p.m., oh, woe is me, fine just ignore me then DOB, I guess I have to say something outrageous instead of asking stupid questions to get attention from DOB….. then the blogger posts, refreshes and reloads the blog and sees ….. at 12:52 p.m. from DOB …….. Yes, persistent insane, inane inquisitor, I read your question all 10 times. Sorry I was busy reporting on the Braves, blogging 24/7 on here, having a personal life, enjoying some movies, music, television and friends, but now I am back to serve your every need …… Not likely blah blah prospect will be called up just yet for this, this, and that reason. But they really do like him as a prospect, just not yet ready for The Show ……. At 1:17 p.m., Sorry DOB, you just took so darn long answering my question. But thanks for answering. Love your blog. You da man …… At 1:31 p.m., DOB will say no problem, man, no worries, whatever I can do to give you self fulfillment at my time, labor, and monetary expense …….. El Hombre really wants to strangle these twerps.
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 6, 2007 3:07 AM | Link to this
NO RELIGION! NO POLITICS! NO RACE BAITING! That is what the rest of the AJC is for! … … BBQ, movies, good t.v., music, baseball, beautiful women, is all EL HOMBRE asks.
Be patient. Hit the post button once. Double posts are annoying. Better for your post to disappear than to make blogmates endure your drivel twice.
If you are a closed minded person and you don’t like when El Hombre talks music, well then tough, you came to the wrong blog. Go start your own blog. Or figure out on your own that the little mouse in your hand allows you to scroll past what you don’t want to read.
Think, look, act classy, you’ll be classy. Mets fans can post BUT they must act classy like the Metropolitan Man. But even when they are classy like MetroMan, each blogger who is a true Braves fan must give ‘em hell anyway. When we give you hell Mets fans, don’t cry. What do you expect?….. IF you are a Mets fan and you are going to be arrogant and obnoxious about finally winning your once in a generation division title, then have the guts to post here everyday even when your team is stinking it up. For example, three game sweep by the Rockies, where did you all go?….. IF you disappear while your team keeps losing, don’t come back later to gloat about winning a few games when things get good again for your team…… Wait until your team has actually done something…… They don’t crown first-half division champs in MLB…… Don’t lose in the playoffs to the team with the worst record to ever win the World Series
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 6, 2007 3:10 AM | Link to this
ALWAYS ignore the gnats and the pests and the lowlifes and Clubhouse Cancers who aim to ruin the blog. This Is the Hardest Rule for All Bloggers, Even Vets, to Adhere To. Please Do Not Feed the Trolls. Trolls Feed on Attention. If They Receive None, They Eventually Go Away. Vigilante justice on the evildoers just turns the blog into a ghetto with drive by shootings and sniping all day and night. We so try to avoid turning this Nirvana into Beruit.
The Rule of Pompous Diatribes We are all pompous bloggers …….. we would not be posting if we all did not think we were just oh so important that we had something to say that everyone else just had to hear ….. so don’t call others pompous egomaniacs before looking in the mirror …… Don’t complain about the lengths of other’s posts, especially when you rarely post anything longer than an instantly forgettable superficial sentence or two ….. HOWEVER, sarcastic remarks about Tolstoy, War and Peace, and the epic nature of the post are completely acceptable, appropriate, and hilarious …… BUT if you are guilty of frequent diabolical long winded diatribes, show some self awareness about it
If you have to ask what DOB, CR, TS, SJA, JJS, Hoss, The Scribe Abides, Holy Cornelia, Oh, the Humanity! & -30- means, then, as Crash Davis would say, you are hopeless, utterly freaking hopeless…… You are not even worthy of being a rook….. you will get immediately sent down to the minors
Braveheart is a Duplicitous Diabolical Diatribing Douchebag ….. not everyone’s cup of joe……. does not care at all for the canned corn and cheese recipes and jokes of Martha Newhart
Alright, folks, I’m done.
Thanks for tolerating me.
AND yeah, let’s trade Chipper….. a new rule must be added for that very sort of inanity
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 3:12 AM | Link to this
Tom in SS Glad to make your acquaintance. No hard feelings, I hope. BTW, I too was sad to see Mad Dog go, but sometimes agents and egos get in the way of budgets. If I remember correctly, I do think there was an offer out there before the date Maddux needed to accept arbitration or not. As I remember, Mad Dog ended up getting LESS from the Cubbies than he would have gotten if he had taken the Braves first offer.
Again, I don’t remember the exact details, only thinking that agents and egos got in the way of a decent offer.
Let’s talk later……
DOB Any easy way to freeze partially or fully a members screen name? Probably not.
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 3:27 AM | Link to this
Savannah, this isn’t intended to be critical but methinks your 1:19 somehow misses the point and spirit of the “Rookie Rules”.
While I know better, methinks it could, at least by some, be considered as being pompous and/or condescending as most of your valid points probably belabor the obvious in the minds eye of most bloggers … or at least so I would think … not a posit, just an opine.
Rules, laws, and even Blog censorship might occasionally inhibit my ability, and perhaps even yours, to eloquently wax and show off my wares … how dare they do that to us, you and me … but better we be so inhibited than be faced with having the blog in continual disarray and the neighborhood cluttered with filth and trash.
That too is a rant … from the other side of the fence. Neither are in keeping in what I perceive to be the spirit of the Rookie Rules … they represent the essence, spirit and tone of the Blog … and while delightfully humorous, could serve a very good, useful and serious purpose, if they aren’t made too long and/or complex, methinks!
By Wayne in Utah
July 6, 2007 3:40 AM | Link to this
Bob, J: What keeps us up so late? I have two other things I was working on here in my quiet, and cluttered office. Now, they are all completed to a point of being able to go to bed. What be your excuse tonight?
Take care, my friend.
Dave, I loved that drive down Hwy 1 from Huntington Beach to just north of Pendleton Marine Base. A few years back, I came north one night from SD with an almost full moon in a rental convertible. I am not sure if I have ever experience a more beautiful drive. Yellowstone might have been better. Love those little coastal communities. Long drive though….
Nite all, and this time it is for good!
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 3:51 AM | Link to this
Savannah, It’s not relevant to the Rookie Rules or necessarily relevant to any of your posts but I do personally believe that rules, laws, and even censorship are all good … or can be … it’s in their application that we find the flaws.
To me, anarchy isn’t a freedom enabler … it’s an inhibitor, plain and simple.
If a law is poorly written, replace it with one that well written … if it is improperly or ineffectively enforced, modify the enforcement procedures and replace those who might be abusing them … if the spirit of the law is not being upheld by those whose job it is to interpret or enforce the law, punish and replace the offenders … don’t abandon the objective that the law was intended to serve.
Unfortunately, conventional wisdom generally attacks the rules, laws, and/or censorship, rather than the flaws, when abuse occurs. It points with pride for having addressed the problem … such wisdom sounds good, but it is the rhetoric of those with private agendas … and a great progress inhibitor, methinks.
As an aside, perhaps referencing your later post those you may have been referring to a different incident, it was a rat from the left side of the house that was totally out of line last night … indeed, Wayne and I called him out for so doing … as methinks would have most anyone of good will and intent on either side of the house … as well as those sitting in the middle.
I may have missed something but from what I saw, Coach certainly could/should have been more refined, but his comments were directed at neither the left nor the right … he was just being Coach mouse, methinks.
Goodnight Miss Allen!
By Bill
July 6, 2007 5:58 AM | Link to this
Someone asked about sending Thorman to Richmond. They can’t send him out, if they do he will be claimed by another team.
By Bravo Nam
July 6, 2007 6:00 AM | Link to this
Give the man a break
It seems we’re always dumping on BC for every little thing that goes wrong. Well…one of the most eye popping stuff-ups happened on the LA side of the dug-out this time round. Wilson Betemit, renowned Braves killer, was not played in either of the last two games…games we both won.
Smoltz to DL
Smoltz should be DLd. He’s gonna miss ten days anyway- we only lose one additional start if he’s DLd. The move makes sense for two reasons: properly heal that shoulder AND give the Braves a chance to bring in another bullpen arm to bail out an overworked staff that could lose us some games this San Diego series if any of our starting pitchers start dishing up the muck they’ve been lately and go to the showers early.
DOB
Alyssa Milano? Penelope Cruz? Man, you’re a top notch writer but your taste in women sucks. I reckon even Robert would look better in a dress…and certainly he’d have a better attitude than Cruz…and that’s a worry!
By Bravo Nam
July 6, 2007 6:10 AM | Link to this
Bill wrote: Someone asked about sending Thorman to Richmond. They can’t send him out, if they do he will be claimed by another team. And the problem being? Sounds good to me!!
Chipper heating up Chipper…or Smoltz
Almost as important as what he’s done as a pitcher this season is what he had to say recently that led to the brief falling out with Chipper. It’s almost like Chipper’s concerns with his health took a back seat to protecting his rep…irrespective of whether Smoltz meant anything or not…Chipper has shown no ill effects and been absolutely ripping it at the plate.
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 6:42 AM | Link to this
Tis true, we are but poor players, strutting and fretting our hour upon the stage … almost without exception telling tales that are full of sound and fury, usually signifying nothing.
Macbeth’s words, following news of his wife’s death “There would have been a time for such a word” might have then rung true … he then speaks of tomorrows … but the same can’t be said for the 2007 Braves, no reason to speak of tomorrows, now is the time … the Braves aren’t dead … maybe they should be, but they aint!!
Methinks maybe the Bard’s real intended message that we should get from Macbeth has been corrupted … “behind most every weak man gone bad, you’ll find a strong willed, evil woman’.
No, I don’t believe that was his intent at all … he just liked my hero Banquo … but Lady Macbeth was no Lady … and she done her man wrong.
It strikes me that some of us are more insecure than others, thinking that blogging is a contest for recognition and they have but a few minutes to impress … all hail! Patience, patience, you’ll have the whole hour upon the stage, provided you behave yourself and don’t get banished!
So, with only weak indirect transition …
How awesome will next year’s line up be with Andruw out of the mix? You have to admit that there’s a lot of potential in … .364, .322, .329, .352, .314, .309, .290, .282.
I know the grass is always greener but why go looking for something when you already have it?
I want us to resign Andruw because of his smile and defensive talents I think we should bench him … for the rest of the season if necessary … and let him get his act together … let him earn his way back into this lineup … if he has what it takes.
If he doesn’t, then so be it …
Let’s take a look at Jo Jo … James is closer to finding himself than we think, methinks … Davies is a puzzle but he has the stuff so even he may surprise, but let him too first prove himself in AAA before his confidence is damaged beyond repair.
I know that it was only Brad Penny tonight and he ain’t so tough but our guys are really pretty good … even when they’re bad we should have won 3 out of 4, or maybe even swept … the word for which it’s time is that the Andruwless offense, tuned up and properly deployed … together with our much maligned pitching staff … is good enough to win the Division, the Pennant, and the Series this year … why wait?!!
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 6:49 AM | Link to this
BravoNam… I said DL Smoltz the night he left the game.
The numbers worked then, so that he’d actually not miss a start if they’d have done it the following day. Oh well.
The Scott Thorman situation is only getting worse, at this point. Kid needs some hardcore minor league time to re-learn his approach to hitting. Brad Penny’s out there having to labor through a high pitch count and a blister, so making him work the count was what we needed. But oh, no, Thor has to go up there hacking at the first pitch. Later in the game, their change-up-lovin’ reliever’s out there, having essentially shut down the Braves, aside from Chipper’s blast, and again, what the team needs is for the batters to work the pitch count (because his control wasn’t all that good), but oh, no…, Thor’s-a-hacking.
Send the guy to Mississippi or Richmond and call up somebody who actually plays the position and sports a batting average higher than their weight. We have Mark Jurich in Mississippi (.286/5/42) and Carlos Mendez in Richmond (.283/6/24). We have to have a platoon option to mix it up with Saltalamacchia that’s actually been brought up playing the position, so that leaves us with the lefty Jurich.
Otherwise, we need to make a move to acquire a veteran 1B who might get a hit once in awhile. Hell, somebody before asked if we’d prefer Chris Woodward in the lineup at 1B with Saltalamacchia catching… I actually think I would, at this rate.
I’m not one to give up on a kid early on (as has been evidenced by my standing up for the Thorman very early in the season), but we’re at 85 games, and this guy’s only getting and looking worse. His approach is only getting worse, as well. He’s pressing, trying too hard, and accomplishing nothing. Let’s get his confidence back up - down in the minors.
And no, I don’t think this means Saltalamacchia should be an everyday first baseman, either. Still needs seasoning at the position. We’re taking a chance every time he’s out there, and fortunately, that deficiency hasn’t hurt us often.
Oh, and Joe Simpson’s right… Andruw’s swing does look better. It’s not translating yet to much more than a hit-a-game (last night not included, though he missed a granny by less than a foot), but it’s encouraging.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 7:02 AM | Link to this
I believe Scott Thorman can be sent up or down as much as the team wants within his first three MLB seasons, BravoNam.
By Kentavo
July 6, 2007 7:33 AM | Link to this
If we get some help, it’s sure to be a veteran 1st baseman. The Scott Thorman Experiment is not panning out.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 6, 2007 7:47 AM | Link to this
jo jo has come to town and all should be happy. jo jo sports an impressive minor league record and is said to throw in the early 90’s. this should bode well for jo jo and the team. now, recognizing that jo jo is a monkey name, and considering that none of us have yet seen jo jo … is it too much to ask of dob to find if jo jo is indeed a monkey? come out and ask. if jo jo is of good humor there should be no problem. if, however, jo jo is grumpy (as some monkeys are known to be grumpy) dob could be pummeled. journalist knows journalist is just being a curious george about this whole matter but it is never wise to monkey around with such matters when the matters can be brought to the front of the cage. no need to leave bloggers hanging from the vines of uncertainty. remember, one of the first astronauts was a monkey. this could explain the mysterious delivery of tang to the clubhouse. and who cares if jo jo is a monkey anyway if jo jo can help this team?! hmmm… and the circus has just left town … and now, baseball … yes, it is evident that paronto has been into the cheeseburgers and fries and shakes this season but the sinker is once again sinking and that makes paronto a valuable member of the team. now, rules for bloggers - journalist sees no reason to monkey around with a good thing. only rule: blog like your momma is gonna read it. selah and -30- and goodnight, gracie.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 7:49 AM | Link to this
I think it’s premature to say the “experiment” isn’t panning out; he’s just not ready.
By Efrim
July 6, 2007 7:51 AM | Link to this
What a huge win, I wen to sleep after Hudson gave up the single to Brad Penny that scored 2 runs making it 6-4. Big win by the Bravos!!!!
Lets go into San Diego and take 2 of 3. 47-42 heading into the brake would be nice.
By Bill
July 6, 2007 7:52 AM | Link to this
It’s unclear if Thorman can be sent to minors. I don’t think he can because he was in the minors 6yrs. Maybe DOB can give us some info on this.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this
No offense meant, Efrim… I just hate when folks take B-R-A-K-E-S when they should take B-R-E-A-K-S. Sometimes, when people have to run errands on their breaks, they’ll be in such a hurry that they’ll wear out their brakes with all the sudden stops.
Other words that are wrongly used because of their phonetic similarity and spelling disparities…
wear=where
hear=here
they’re=their=there
By Efrim
July 6, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this
Sorry, Ron Roberts. I usually am on top of it.
By Rodger
July 6, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this
•Box score | Standings | Stats •Dan O’Brien Blog: Hitting resurgence timely. Discuss.
Gotta love the e-mail editor. Few weeks ago, Michael Stafford was UGA QB.
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this
Let’s see, I’m reading through my book of rules for blogging on here. Oh yeah, here it is. STF out of fights between Vets. Sounds simple. But, Mr. Braveheart is saying that Mr. Savannah Guy is a “rook(ie)”. I’m confused.
By MEB
July 6, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this
Journalist Jimmy… you’re post made me do a little research and I’ve discovered that unfortunately we do not have a Cheeta in our farm system. However, the Cheeta of Tarzan movie fame is alive and well (age 75) and enjoying retirement in Palm Springs, CA. Read all about it Maybe Jo Jo can get the team bus to stop by and pay Cheeta a visit. Just think they can also visit the primate center at the world famous San Diego Zoo during this trip.
Fun game last night, not as fun as a barrel of monkeys, but fun none the less.
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this
Mr. journalistjimmysmith: There used to be(and you may be old enough to remember this)a carnival character named “Jo Jo, the dogfaced boy.” Hope our new pitcher is not his grandson.
By MEB
July 6, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
I have found a much better site than the Wiki article about Cheeta and it includes some handsome photos of the great ape. Please Read So, who does Cheeta have a close resemblance to?
Lew… as an artist you may also be interested that Cheeta supports primate research with his artistic talent. Apparently Cheeta originals fetch quite a bit of money.
GO BRAVES!!!
By TheCutMan
July 6, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
We’ve all witnessed the plight of Scott Thorman at the plate these past several weeks and I agree with earlier comments on the same topic.
There are certain positions on every team that can be ‘carried’ for their glove but 1B isn’t one of them. That position HAS to hit and the same can be said of LF, RF, and 3B.
If I were Thorman’s hitting coach, I’d advise him to make a couple of small but significant adjustments:
1) Stand about 3-4 inches closer to the plate. At present, Thorman can barely cover the middle-out pitches and lunges at the outside stuff on the black.
2) Open his stance. Open that right foot by about 20 degrees to see the ball better and be better able to handle the middle-in pitches. Thorman has plenty of strength to hit the ball hard if he can reach it which he isn’t able to do a lot of the time.
I also agree that a stint in the minors in order for him to reclaim his confidence and work on the mechanics of his swing and stance would be the proper move to make. Right now, Thorman is a liability at the plate and we all know it.
By Shaun
July 6, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this
Bob, Journalist,
Defense relates to strikeouts because back in the early 1900’s any contact was more likely to lead to a baserunner. These days contact is more likely to lead to an out, hard contact is more necessary.
To make hard contact you have to swing quicker, which means more swings and misses (unless you have superior hand-eye coordination and pitch-recognition like Bonds, Pujols and Sheffield).
Hard contact wasn’t as necessary to get hits the farther back you go because of the nature of defense—gloves have improved, defensive positioning is a bigger part of the game, fields are in better condition, I think players are quicker and faster and better.
Also, hitters now realize more that strikeouts aren’t something to be too concerned about. Players realize that they must make hard contact/swing quick in order to have a chance so they figure why not go down trying to make hard contact/swinging quick; if they make weak contact it’s likely to be an out or even two.
There’s also the fact that strikeout totals very rarely inversely correlate with runs scored. More and more teams have realized that it’s not how the players make outs that is important; it’s how often they make outs and what they do in between outs that matters most.
Just my educated guess of the situation.
As Gary Sheffield said back when he was playing with the Braves, he said he thought he’d be a better hitter if he wasn’t so obsessed with not striking out.
Weak contact works in little league and high school but defenses are too good for weak contact to work in the major leagues.
By Drummerdad
July 6, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
DOB, Two things I ask of you before you leave San Diego: 1) eat an In & Out Double-Double for me, and 2) go check out the old Light House at Point Loma if you’ve never been. It’s one of the nicest east/west views there is. Definitely worth the short drive up there. That bluff is where ESPN would set up cameras for the Americas Cup when they ran it in SD.
Nice to see the Braves take the last 2 from Dodger Blue after getting kicked around the field in the first 2. But as Mark Bradley said, this is pretty much a mediocre team. There are 2 other teams ahead of them for the Wild Card right now. Consistency is elusive.
By sportsmandh
July 6, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this
I know Wickman has looked rough at times, especially on the road vs. at home for some strange reason. No he’s no Hoffman, Papelbon, or Saito. But come on, some posters I have read the last few days sound like they would rather have Reeksma back??
I for one am glad we have a veteran closer and am just hoping he’ll work his problems out. Rivera and Hoffman both worked through some bad stretches earlier this year (and no I’m not saying Wickman is on par with those two). In my opinion, of all the problems that have come up this year, not having Gonzalez is probably the worst thing that has happened to the team. The good news is we have Sorianno if Wickman totally blows up. In other words there’s a plan B. Last year there was no plan B. However, what I fear about Soriano if Wickman blows up is that he’ll turn out more like a Kyle Farnsworth than like a Francisco Cordero.
By David-ATL14
July 6, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
Scott thorman is out of options, CAN NOT be sent to minors without the risk of being claimed by another team.
I know he’s struggling but he would never make it through waivers.
By Shaun
July 6, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
sportsmandh,
I’m an advocate of determining bullpen roles by run differential; the closer the game the better pitcher the team uses.
Of course, this will never happen because most agents, a lot of GM’s and managers, a lot of players and the mainstream media is obsessed with the save—the most ridiculous stat in the history of sports.
By Metropolitan Man
July 6, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this
Morning bloggers and DOB, I see much hasnt change on the ole blog here. I see you still have the blog police and repeat offenders making this the cyberspace place to either avoid, or join in on the fun. Now for some news from the METS homefront. Just to let you know the true METS fans are not panicking but we are not comfortable either. Watching the debacle called JUNE baseball is finally behind us but then the Rockies beat the crap out of us. Anyway no history lesson here, just letting the brave nation know that no real METS fan has abandoned the team during these hard times, nor have we written off the braves and philthies. You guys still post some crazy, not so logical tirades but after reading some post from so-called METS fans here, I know why. I understand why you guys ignore azzholes (I was/am 1 of them) but you guys still have trash in your own backyard. Heck Smolzt called out Chipper, now look at Smoltz (pulling a Chipper), but he did relight Larryyyyyyyyyyyyyy,s fire. So who will have the best second half surge. METS who are getting back, Pedro, Alou, Sosa, Perez, Chavez, or the braves. Im not sure who you guys are wating on from the DL, but having some fresh blood should be a shot in the arm.I dont know if you guys know this, but Pedro has started fielding his position in his rehab starts. Now if we could just get Delgado and Krispey Kreme Jones to just put up their numbers, we could find out how good our teams really are. Did you know: The last team to sweep series from two New York clubs during the regular season, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, was the Milwaukee Braves, who whitewashed the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants in 1956. After moving to Los Angeles, the Dodgers swept the Yankees in the 1963 World Series after sweeping the Mets four times during the season. As you can see this braves, NY team rivalry has taken a life of its own with so many different teams.
Take care braves fans and enjoy the season, I know I am…so far
LETS GO METS!!! Question for you DOB, do you post under multiple names so you can get you blogg more hits or do all of these bloggers actual peaople…just curious.
By Bravo Nam
July 6, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
Ron Roberts
I hear ya!
By Efrim
July 6, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
Give Salty the first base job. Include Thorman in a deal for a pitcher. He is no better defensively than Salty anyways. Well, maybe a little bit, but its not worth the nothing production that Thor gives us. Harrison, Thorman and Davies for Vasquez would be nice. Maybe the Sox can include a cheap bat off the bench.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
David ATL-14… I’ve been Googling like crazy to see what the parameters are for if/when a player is out of options and can’t find anything that points to Scott Thorman being out of options. Somebody’d mentioned six year of minor league time having something to do w/it, but all I could find that would give Thorman is minor league free agent status.
Best I can surmise, the Braves have three years of option time with him from the date they call him up, and he was only called up last season, mid-season.
It’s more complex than my layman’s terminiology, and I don’t wanna drag out this long post about what is, at this rate, just a suggestion I’d made earlier.
But I don’t see how the Braves are out of options with Thorman.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
Folks, when ya make trade scenarios where ya discard a player you don’t want because they’re unproductive, what on earth makes ya think another team would want the same unproductive player in exchange for something we want badly?
C’mon, Efrim. You just ripped Thorman, but as the GM, you’d turn around and pull the wool over Kenny Williams and tell him how great Thorman’s gonna be?
And we’ll agree to disagree, man. Thorman’s a far better defensive option at 1B than Saltalamacchia is. That’s why if we can send Thorman back down to AAA (where he was, ironically enough, leading the league in BA last season before his call-up) to get his groove back, we’d need to find a suitable platoon replacement; either a steady veteran or just another defensive left-hitting batter from the minors for awhile.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 6, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
jimmy smith has turned to ajc.com for an answer and hear is what jimmy smith hs found:
Jo_Jo was scratched … “in Richmond, and several Braves were told he was being brought up.”
“They haven’t announced anything, but that’s the name I keep hearing,” said Braves manager Bobby Cox, who has heard glowing reports on Reyes all season from team officials. “They talk a lot about Jo-Jo.”
well, bloggers, let’s consider these comments. first, jo jo was scratched. like a monkey scratches? monkeys are known to scratch their monkey sides and monkey parts. let us hope this is not an omen. the team already suffers from excessive nose picking.
second. “they talk a lot about jo jo.’ and who wouldn’t talk about a pitching monkey!
unfortunately, nothing can be discerned for certain without a top-flight journalist asking some tough questions.
let’s be candid and agree that if jo jo can throw strikes and pitch effectively no one will care if jo jo is a monkey. not saying jo jo is a monkey - just that jo jo is a monkey name. it is an acceptance level much like evidenced here on the blog.
and if chipper reads this blog and laughs and points at jo jo and calls jo jo a monkey boy then the d.l. cannot be far away. and jimmy smith sends a shout out to chipper for two homeruns and for passing one of this journalist’s favorites - dale murphy - in homeruns.
By Hammer'd The Braves
July 6, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Thorman’s minor league years might have some relevance, if he weren’t signed to a MAJOR-LEAGUE contract. Duh. He’s on the 40-man, thus operating under a major league contract, thus 3 years of options. I don’t know what year he first moved to the 40-man, and don’t care enough to check, but his years in the minors only matter for minor league contracts and minor league transactions like Rule 5 and minor league free agency.
By kinley
July 6, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Wow, it’s been a long time since I’ve blogged it up. Anyway, to those who say the Thorman experiment hasn’t panned out, I’d have to agree with you - thus far.
However, he’s a young guy, and he has a track record of improving dramatically in his second season of each level. I think that POTENTIALLY tells us that he could have a big second half. If he does, and ends up hitting around .270 with 20-25 homers and anything more than 70 RBIs, what do we do then?
Do we sell high and send him somewhere else so Salty can play first? Or do we trade Salty (and someone else too, I’d guess) for a stud pitcher? It’d be quite a conundrum.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this
Not sure, Hammer’d. I don’t remember Scott Thorman even discussed as a major league 1B option until last season, frankly, so I don’t know when his name hit the 40-man roster.
Did you just drop a valley-girl-esque “duh” on us? :o)
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 6, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
Well Hell!…To the Einstein that said other teams wouldn’t take discarded unproductive players in trades…Pittsburg took “Cookie Monster” Adumb LaRoche off the Braves hands, LA took “Can’t get no love” Bait-a-meat, Detroit took “Can’t throw a strike” McBride…etc
Looks like the turnip patch needs uh weedin’…
By Jersey Gil
July 6, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
This are the Thurman 2006 Option: June 18, 2006: called up Aug 15, 2006: send down Sept 1,2006: Called up
By journalist jimmy smith
July 6, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
first in a series
with all this talk of veteran bloggers and rookie bloggers there is much gray territory. perhaps it is time for a blog history lesson.
journalist jimmy smith was flattered to be labeled a veteran blogger by others but jimmy smith wishes to recognize some crusaders of this blog.
now, journalist asks forgiveness from any that journalist forgets to mention in this volume or in this series.
a timid letwan anthony first approached this blog many months ago. letwan was a young baseball fan who was taught the finer points of the game by letwan’s mama, a fine baker of pies. this is how pies became a staple of this blog. at first, letwan was not well received here because letwan would have some fun with chipper, bobby, and dob - letwan was never as respectful of dob as this journalist.
when letwan began to blog here there were a handful of regulars, bloggers like ron roberts, thesouthernjackass, carroll, and others. ron roberts and sja did not get along well with each other. many insults were traded and there were discussions of goats and other farm animals. both did not get along with carroll. carroll would often take extreme positions regarding bobby cox and rr and sja would counter. bravesfan would react badly to letwan’s chipper jokes. robertjusticeisbest liked the jokes. it was a blog in development. truebravesfan and others frequented the blog. names that bloggers will know - and names that bloggers will not know.
journalist hearkens back to that time when, as recently as a few days ago, rr and sja exchanged pleasantries. it was old times at their best.
more later on this blog … statisticians, journalists, ladies, artists, penn, a scool teacher, and others.
and now, monkey watch. perhaps dob can enter the locker room and determine if prehensile or non-prehensile. this would be helpful.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
Are you calling LaRoche’s 32 HRs and 90 RsBI “unproductive,” last season, then?
And Wilson Betemit was a fantastic bench player that the Dodgers mistakenly tried to turn into an every day guy. He hit .281 with 9 HRs and 29 RsBI in 88 games of limited action. Seems he was kinda “productive” to me.
And what, pray tell, did we get for our struggling lefty bullpen arm? Another struggling lefty bullpen arm.
So yeah, I stand by my statement, turnip-seed.
By Savannah Guy
July 6, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Braveheart
Whoa…I feel like I just got accosted while standing on a familiar and usually safe street corner. There I was, enjoying a conversation among friends and you came out from behind the trash bin ranting and raving about everything you’ve heard me say over the last two years. It’s like you had been encamped there, huddled up against the wall for years, feverishly jotting notes of every conversation that ever took place on that street corner.
Your biting and ranting admittedly take me aback. I’m not so jaded that I can listen to the kind of insults that you so easily seem to throw out. Nor am I accustomed to receiving insults of the sort that is your stock in trade. I am not hurt or discouraged or embarrassed by your attack…I am not confused by it either. I stand in awe of the condition that some humans seem to get themselves into, in a social studies sort of way.
You seem to have been creating your own twisted little world where you are an “officer” in some sort of fantasy regiment. You’ve conjured up a hierarchy so that you can belong. Has life been so meaningless that you wound up huddled like an enraged homeless man waiting to pounce? Then, when the time was right, the stars and moon were aligned or you had just ran out of whatever it is that keeps you under some modicum of control, you lunged. Sad as the whole thing is, it is unfortunately not completely out of the ordinary in the blogisphere, where we all have seem behavior that is far more repulsive than yours.
Since you did hurl so much in your diatribe and since some of it crossed the line of gentlemanly repartee, I’ll address a few of your points later when time allows merely to set the community record straight…not to appease you or begin a dialog with you. In the meantime, I guess not knowing that it was you that had actually authored the “Rookie Rules” (yes I guess I didn’t read the entire post thoroughly as I usually try to learn that you had already ”fessed up”), I seem to have inadvertently aimed my philosophical arrow directly at your gaping wound. Just a lucky shot I guess.
And the Martha Stewart comment…actually funny. But shouldnt it have been Paula Deen? She’s a Savannah gal.
For now, I’ll go about my day without thinking about it at all. When I return and get a chance I’ll respond to some of the points in your sad rant. Going forward, I’ll not address you by your chosen moniker Braveheart again. You could not possibly deserve that. Braveheart was a leader.
As a politically conservative, it is rare that I would use a quote from a Lloyd Bentson to make a point, but it fits here:
I knew Braveheart. You, sir are no Braveheart. I saw the movie too.
You my sad man are behaving more like a Robert Bruce.
Later.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 6, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
the true veterans of this blog with back to back posts at 10:27 and 10:42. give them time and they will fight. old times are great.
By Efrim
July 6, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this
Ron Roberts,
Thorman was a throw in. I also included Matt Harrison in that deal. He is a pretty good LHP pitching prospect. Not sure KW would do it because he could probably get more for Vasquez, but that is what I would start with.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 6, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
[http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/22/the-red-sox-are-up-to-monkey-business](http://www.ajc.com=monkeyball
the braves are known to have great scouts. last weekend a monkey threw out the first pitch at fenway. an impressive monkey. now, a pitcher named jo jo comes out of nowhere …
By Shaun
July 6, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
TheSouthernJackAss,
LaRoche proved himself to be an adequate firstbaseman (although not a middle-of-the-order type guy the Pirates want him to be…but it’s the Pirates).
Betemit was traded for basically another Betemit and a free-agent-to-be.
McBride was traded in a change-of-scenery deal.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
I see where you’re coming from now, Efrim. I doubt it’d be enough to get anything tangible back, but I see where you’re coming from.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 6, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
oh, the humanity!
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/22/the-red-sox-are-up-to-monkey-business
By Cornholio
July 6, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
Is it some official law that whenever Yunel Escobar gets 3 hits in a game, he gets rewarded by riding the pine the next game?
Booby Cox is a buffoon !
Scott Thorman is quickly approaching Andruw Mendoza Jones territory. Two guys in our lineup that are killing us.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 6, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
Wow that’s the first time in a while that I’ve read damn-near all the posts from the previous night. I’m sure to get fired if I don’t mend my ways and do something besides read this blog all day. JJS, thanks for the history lesson. I didn’t realize some of those names were such grizzled veterans.
DOB,
Any chance McCann will sit out of the All-Star Game with that sore knee?
By Lew
July 6, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
Mr.Baseball-Re: your 1:37 post-Tommy Chong would not have taken the job as Dodger’s Official Scorer. He would have taken the Reds, Man. MEB-While Cheeta may donate proceeds to Wildlife Funds, only my art can satisfy the Denizens of this blog and keep their homes well decorated. Maybe he could do a Dan Kolb portrait, though. I never will.
By Jeff R
July 6, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
Desperate, management is, bringing up top prospect Jo Jo Reyes. Yet another young pitcher who probably isn’t ready for prime time. Nothing like a quaility talent coming up too soon and getting knocked around in the Majors. That’s a real confidence builder. I’m a big believer that *most” young pitchers benefit from gaining experience in the minors. Better to make mistakes and learn there away from all the big league attention.
By Metropolitan Man
July 6, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
METS HISTORY ON A BRAVES BLOG:
Beginning of blog-2006: Hah Ha, METS are a joke. No one will ever beat the braves. Booby, Smoltz, Larryyyy, A. Jones, and the rest will never lose another pennant.
2006 Blog 1st half of season: The Mets are a fluke, hah ha. the wheels will fall off. The braves will catch them and put them in their place. METS fans just come here to brag, you guys are annoying ect….
2006 Blog 2nd half: They will never get out of the 1st round without any pitching, they suck. Go away METS fans, we will continue to talk trash about you but and never repect you. 1 title does not make you a champ (but 14 does).
2007 Blog 1st Half: Will you guys go away, you are so annoying when you are winning. We liked it better when you were losing because now I have to actually show I’m a braves fan win or lose and its hard. You METS fans need to shut up and go to your own blog. We own this blog, we pay make the payments every month on the blog. If you root for another tam, you better not let us know. And if any braves player has a bad game, we trade ‘em, shipp’em, or just realease them. Anyway all I know is you METS fans better stay away.
2007 2nd Half: Let the teams decide, we sure cant!!!!
But this is TRUE summary of this blog if you are a visitor rooting for another team other than the braves. And this was the pg 13 version.
LETS GO METS.
By LT
July 6, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
Break out the Stephen Malkmus + Jicks! Jo Jo’s Jacket will blare on Saturday!
By Renegator
July 6, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
DOB: What’s the word on the Connect 4 title belt? Last I heard, Pete Orr was the champion and held the belt. Does it go to Richmond with him or does it stay in the clubhouse with the holder now up for grabs?
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 6, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
Not at all…I’m just calling LaRoche ‘dumb’…even tho some bloggers seem to just ‘adore’ the guy…
Wilson Betemit may have been a fantastic bench player for all I know, he should have been, he spent most of his time on the bench…anyhow, the Braves already had a fantastic bench player…Larry “Chipper DL Hoss” Jones…
And one worthless lefty for another worthless lefty still constitutes a trade by the Braves to discard that particular ‘unproductive player’…maybe the Braves should put a little effort into discarding a few unproductive scouts before trading for anymore junk…dill weed!
As for Jo Jo the monkey—hell, he should fit right in with some of the other knuckle-draggin’ primates that have been part of the Braves pitching staff over the last few seasons…
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 6, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
Oh, no…that ain’t the way I wanna go.
Oh, no…One Monkey don’t stop no Show.
——David Allan Coe
By DAP
July 6, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
i hope everyone’s cats survived the game last night.
utah wayne youre so wise. youre like a minuature budda, covered in hair.
uh-oh…does that count as talking about religion?
By BossLady
July 6, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
Yeah, I think Larussa is drunk again. He continues to punish the Braves at any time he gets the opportunity. His karma is retribution enough for me. I would not wish his past few years on my enemies. (I have none)
By Shaun
July 6, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
Efrim,
Maybe there is a better player out there named Vasquez that would be worth giving up three young, cheap players including a good LH pitching prospect for.
Javier Vazquez makes over $12 million a year and isn’t that good.
Here are his ERA’s from 2004-2006: 4.91, 4.42, 4.84. Taking into account league and park, his ERA’s were below average every season.
This year he is pitching better and I do think he’s better than that—he’ll give you a lot of decent innings—but do you really want to give up three players with potential for one player who is merely decent at best?
I’d take him for the right price but not for three young players with at least some talent and potential to be above average big leaguers.
By Chase
July 6, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
Metropolitan Man
Not necessarily knocking on you cause I don’t diss on Mets fans just to do it like some people on this blog but MANY of the Mets fans who post on here are rude and delusional.
The Braves are behind the Mets right now but what the hell is 3 games with 75 to play? NOTHING!
Also, the Braves still seem to have the Mets’ number head to head (6-3).
My problem with Mets fans Bragging about last year is that it was your First Division Title in 18 Years!
I mean, really, only a Loser could Bragg about winning ONCE out of every 18 years!
Now the Mets could very well win this year and if so they only have 12 MORE TO GO TO MATCH THE BRAVES!
I honestly think that BOTH the Mets and Braves will make the Playoffs and Meet in the NLCS!
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 6, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
And a couple ‘homers’ have once again fell into the trap—always trying to make much ado about nothing…as Dandy Don Meredith would say, “If ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas.”…damn I wish I was a journalist too…
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this
DOB, sorry if I just missed it while I was scrolling through the blog right now, but have you heard if Chuck James is going to go on short rest Sunday instead of Davies? Any info would be appreciated… THANKS!
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Cornholio, are you hazy on the concept of a “platoon” arrangement in baseball? It usually (as in this case) means one guy hits against lefties, one against righties. Last night’s starter was a righty. Johnson plays against righties, not “against righties except when Escobar gets three hits the night before.”
And, by the way, Johnson went 2-for-5 with a double and an RBI from the fifth spot in the order last night. He’s batting .282 with 28 extra-base hits (eight homers) and 40 RBIs before the All-Star break. Some might argue he never deserved to lose his full-time job to begin with.
Personally, I think Escobar’s a dynamic talent and it’s served the Braves well having him in there as much as possible. But I wouldn’t have him in there every day if it meant benching Johnson. I think this particular platoon has worked quite well so far.
On the other hand, I would play Salty most of the time at first base, or even all of the time when he’s not needed to give McCann a break behind the plate. Thorman hasn’t met expectations or done anything to make a case that he deserves to be in there ahead of hot-hitting Salty.
Johnson has met or surpassed expectations in the first half.
By Metropolitan Man
July 6, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
The even-better news for Mets pitchers is that by late summer, Sosa may be spearheading the team’s relief corps; all that Pedro Martinez, who threw 50 pitches off the mound in Port St. Lucie on Tuesday, will be asked to do when he returns is pitch like the best fourth starter in the NL, which shouldn’t be a terribly difficult task.
Looking at the braves rotation and what the philthies call a rotation should make you realize either how open this NL east is or once again s** it is!!!
By Baron
July 6, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
Appropos of nothing, what is up with trading for this Ledezma fool? First time I saw him pitch last night, and god he looks terrible! Absolute disaster of a delivery! What kind of a tool must McBride have been to get dealt for that guy.
We got lucky last night, but our fielding miscues are really starting to pile up. Passed balls, Druw out of position, nobody covering third, Thor and Kelly’s respective “range”… These are not the Bobby Cox Braves I remember.
By TennesseePaul
July 6, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
I watched this game from the safe confines of 2nd street. Had I gotten to close to the Ravine the Braves would have been taken out by some rookie on a hot streak. I’m ever so glad they won. I’d also like to add:
Congratulations Chipper Jones!!
I burst onto the blog scene almost 2 years ago defending two subjects, the sacredness of The Streak and Chipper Jones. Chipper just keeps going. It’s always good to see. I’ve watched him play since he was in double A Greenville.
That was an ugly, ugly game last night. I kept hoping Hudson wouldn’t get all Davies out there and blow perfectly good leads, but he did. He is looking more and more like Hudson version 2006 than Hudson version 2007 months 1.5. I’d love to see these weekend series be swept under the carpet with some powerful displays of pitching and hitting from the Bravos. Hope Jo-Jo does well. He’s stepping in for Smoltz… those are some mighty big shoes to fill.
GO BRAVES
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
To the other “newbie”(as for the guy who said this was baseball and “rookie” was more appropriate; this ain’t baseball—it’s blogging)you were right when you said they would ignore you. Aside, from the nice welcome I got from several of the adults on here, I see what you mean.
Hell, they respond more to the Mutts fans, but I’m not that desperate. As a matter of fact, it is a way of venting for me so I don’t really care whether they respond or not.
But, between studying our books of do(s) and don’ts—mostly don’ts—maybe we could just talk among ourselves. That’s while we wait for that magical day when they issue us our decoder rings and give us a key to the door on the treehouse.
BTW, is executive casual fitting dress for the ceremony? Mens Warehouse is having a sale.
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
That I can actually agree with MetropolitanMan… There have really only been 3 starters in the entire NL East who have been consistently good all season - John Smoltz, John Maine, and Cole Hamels. For as good as everyone says the NL East offenses are, I still think a lack of pitching in our division inflates the numbers a bit… But anyway, it should be a fun race the rest of the way and Lets Go Braves!!!
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
DonC, no on James Sunday. I asked Bobby yesterday, and he said Davies was a go for Sunday….
MetroMan, no. I’ve never posted under any name but my own. A few here have and do, but the vast majority of screen names are different individuals, and none are me, I can assure you.
Nam, you’re a good dude who writes interesting and entertaining posts. But you’ve been in strange lands too long, apparently, to remember what classy ladies look like. So please stop with the critiques in that dept. until you come back. (And ask some folks over in Spain or the rest of Europe what they think of Penelope. I’m not alone in that one, my friend. Not that I care, either. Does it for me.)
By brent a.
July 6, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
DOB:
I agree with everything you said at 11:59. In fact, it appears that platooning Kelly, and also dropping him in the order, may actually have helped him (and our offense) a little.
Regarding 1B, unless Escobar can play there, too, I think it should be Salty’s job.
In fact, if offense were a bigger issue (it hasn’t been the last 10 games, or so), I think Bobby would pull the plug on the Scott Thorman experiment. But, for now, he’s willing to keep giving him chances, as it doesn’t appear that his bat is costing us games.
By jwshults
July 6, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this
Those are all well-though out and lucid arguments for having rules for rookie bloggers. As a rookie, I would add this one as well:
Rule 72A - Rookie Bloggers ought not attempt to write any rules …
… aw crap! Nevermind.
By BT
July 6, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Great response to Corn, whatever his moniker is, about platooning. We should be thankful that we finally have much more than adequate backups (or co-starters) in at least three positions. That is the way championship teams are built. Now if we can get some pitchers to grow up (Davies, James, etc) and learn the art we can go a long way this year. Just my opinion, but with the way the line up is now working, other than poor Scott Thorman, I don’t see a weakness.
By Efrim
July 6, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Financially, what can the Braves do at the deadline? Can they bring in someone making 12 million, meaning they would have to pay 6 million for the remainder of the season, or do they have to settle for someone like Jason Jennings? He is owed like 3 million for the remainder of the season. What are their limitations?
By Michael, Ex-Sports Editor
July 6, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
ssiscribe: From previous blog: Former sports ed, what college?
Sorry for the late response - sucks to only be able to blog from work :(
Columbus State University
By Renegator
July 6, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
DOB:
What’s the word on the Connect 4 title belt? Last I heard, Pete Orr was the champion and held the belt. Does it go to Richmond with him or does it stay in the clubhouse with the holder now up for grabs?
By Denny Zenn
July 6, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
As for Jo Jo the monkey—hell, he should fit right in with some of the other knuckle-draggin’ primates that have been part of the Braves pitching staff over the last few seasons…
SJA is my hero.
By Bigboi
July 6, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Baron, Druw wasn’t out of position last night. That’s where he always plays left handed slap hitters. Hudson just made a bad pitch.
By Renegator
July 6, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
DOB:
When do you expect to hear something on Smoltz? Is he still meeting with the Doctors today in the ATL?
By David-ATL14
July 6, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
Ron Roberts i won’t hold the blog hostage and explain in minutia what the option years and all their ramifications.
Short story- it is detemined by your first appearance on the 40 man roster and the clock starts then.
Thorman is indeed out of options,he can not be sent dowm without clearing waivers first. DOB can confirm if he wishes.
I suspect salty will be the everday 1b after the break and Thorman will be a lefty bat for the bench unless included in a trade which is possible.
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
“DonC, no on James Sunday. I asked Bobby yesterday, and he said Davies was a go for Sunday…”
Ouch, welp, that just officially ruined my Sunday… BTW, I know you don’t like (or can’t) share your opinions on most Braves front office or managerial decisions DOB; but what am I missing here? Isn’t starting James Sunday on short rest with the All Star break next week a no-brainer? Or were you really telling the truth when you said that Davies has found a flaw in his delivery and is ready to turn into the #2 starter he once was projected to be? (obvious sarcasm there)
By chris
July 6, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
DOB,
Just can say enough about our bullpen. Looks like their 3-day slump is over. It will only get better next year when Devine and Gonzalez are added. I love our young guys (hitters and pitchers)and don’t want to trade them for an expensive third starter. Do you know of any relative cheap third starter we could acquire? Also, do you see any way the Braves would put Johnson in left next year and make Escobar their full-time 2b. Both have done so well as you say.
Thx,
Chris from MD
By Adirondackdave
July 6, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
I have a hunch Bobby will make some significant lineup changes after the all-star break and has time to think about the situation and doesn’t have to focus on “today’s game.” No idea if those changes might become permanent but I have to think Thorman loses most of his playing time to Salty. Not a minute too soon in my mind. Unless we see something from AJ this weekend against SD, I’d be surprised if he doesn’t move to the 7th slot for a lengthy period.
Most importantly though, JS has to close a deal on a decent (at least) starter. Hard to think about losing Escobar or Salty unless we get young quality pitching in return.
On another front, Andruw is certainly degrading his contract prospects bigtime. I suppose this increases his likelyhood of signing a one-year contract with the Braves or elsewhere to rebuild his status as a premier player.
DOB - if AJ’s second half is like his first, do you think the Braves pursue him even for a one-year deal at anywhere near his current annual rate?
By TennesseePaul
July 6, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this
DOB: Here’s the new Rilo Kiley video. A teaser for the forth coming album I suppose…
By Braves Fan 79
July 6, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
Last night was the most entertaining 5 innings of ball ive seen in a long time. So we sent down orr….when we gonna realize woodcrap sucks 2 and shoulda never made the team to start with. If we had had escobar up here from spring training and not had to of started woodcrap/orr all those games when chipper first got hurt id guess wed be at LEAST 10 games over .500 right now. Bad managnment….just like the idea to not pay Glavine a discounted rate of 7 mill…but yet we give 6 million to the idea that veterans bring some kinda guarantee to the team….when all we got was GUARANTEED CRAP!! (wilson, woodcrap, redmen) and that mysterious pitcher we supposidly got but noones seen. But hey regardless of all the bad choices weve made this year were only 3 games down and still got a chance. Oya Bobbys looks like alot better manager when we dont have woodcrap out there starting. (and God knows hes not good for a pitchitter unless u need a bunt). COmmon Bobby…..starting a no power first baseman with a .190 batting average (ok so hes had some fluke hits lately to bring his average to around .220) but the guy has like 7 rbi’s in over 50 games played this year….note to Bobby….HE SUCKS! Thats about as bright as bringing in Redmen against the Redsox with the basesloaded….yea we all knew what was gonna happen.
I still got love for Bobby tho….Go Braves!
By Michael, Ex-Sports Editor
July 6, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
Pro-tonix:
That’s while we wait for that magical day when they issue us our decoder rings and give us a key to the door on the treehouse.
Funny stuff - I don’t know about the treehouse, though. There may be monkeys in there…
By Denny Zenn
July 6, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
Babying a .200 hitter like AJ is nothing new in the Braves organization. 2002 8th round draft selection Jonathan Schuerholz hit .184 last year at Richmond. He’s batting .202 this year.
Andruw’s lack of production is probably endearing on some level to Big John as he gets ready to call up little Jon Jon this September. Big John is a genius, you know.
By rammerjammer
July 6, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
Could we prosper with a four-man bench? We could certainly USE eight relievers, given that only two starters average more than six innings a start.
I think we’d be fine with Diaz, Yuni, Thor (Salty would start at 1B) and Woody on the bench, with Willie and KJ replacing Diaz and Yuni in the dugout vs. lefties.
By BossLady
July 6, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
Pro-Tonix, please don’t start that damn whining. Everyone on here just blog on whatever they feel like saying. That’s the reason for blogging. If you feel a need to blog, just blog. It is not whether someone responds, it is that you said what you wanted on a public forum. You will be answered when you say something that someone wants to discuss. Or not
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
www.startsalty.com
By BravesFanInRockies
July 6, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
Dang, no Chucky on Sunday. I guess that’s Reason #51,293 why I’m not in a dugout or a front office.
I would have started CJ on Sunday to have Davies available as the long man Saturday if JoJo isn’t effective. Maybe that will be Chucky’s role this weekend. Or if JoJo pitches deep into his start, Chuck could go in for an inning or two if Davies pitches to form.
OTOH, Petco is about as Davies-friendly a park as you could imagine. To paraphrase Old Blue Eyes, if he can’t make it there ….
Congrats to Chipper, and to Bobby as well for the new lineup vs. righties. (Except I’d drop Andruw to 8th.) KJ can be a big-time run producer if given the chance. And as long as Mr. Harris is on-base (3 times in 6 PAs, 2 runs scored last night) and doing his thing from the leadoff spot, keep him there!
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
Michael, Ex-Sports Editor Thanks for the response I noticed in a post earlier that you blog only at work. Hope you don’t work for BossLady. (:>)
And, since we are talking among our selves and no one is listening, can’t you hardly wait for the next round of the Braveheart vs. Savannah Guy rumble? I’m thinking of calling Aaron’s and renting a 20” monitor so I won’t miss a word.
By The Grinch
July 6, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
Looks like pistols at dawn for Braveheart and Savannah Guy…either that or an evening of heavy drinking culminating in one of them putting the other in a headlock and saying “I love ya, ya little f%^$er” whist delivering a noogie to the scalp with a friendly knuckle.
Braveheart, I’m on the verge of joyous tears to hear that you respect me, but I’d like to know when anyone on this blog has ever, EVER come to my defense under any circumstances. Normally when I’m fending off vicious assaults I feel like Vin Deisel with “I Stand Alone” by Godsmack playing around me in stereo. Unfortunately, I don’t have that ‘66 GTO. :-)
By The Grinch
July 6, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
Oh, yeah; welcome, Pro-tonix. First round’s on me.
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
BossLady Well excuuuuse me, ma’am. I didn’t realize I was “whining”—I thought I was having a little fun. ASAMF, I know I was. Now, get a little work done or take something for your PMS and let us have our fun. There is certainly nothing “fresh” to say about baseball.
By Jeff R
July 6, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
Braves need a #4 starting pitcher, but I wouldn’t give up the shop to acquire one (if a good one is available before July 31). First, there’s no guarentee that whoever management brings in puts the Braves over the top, given that Smoltz may be sidelined. Also, anyone who is any good, if in his option year, is going to be expensive to resign. The team doesn’t need to give up good young talent for another rent-a-player.
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Grinch, and I think you are funny as hell. Not funny like that…oh hell, you know what I mean.
By GT80
July 6, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
My Question about Blogs
DOB, do you ever get a chance to speak with JS and does he know about the blog and has he ever read the blog. I ask because there are a lot of intelligent, passionate baseball fans that frequent this blog (there are some passionate idotic ones as well) and a lot of good ideas are floated out from time to time.
It would be interesting to know if JS or any of the higher ups (Terry McGuirk maybe) comprehend the passion that is out there for their team and know what most of the fans are thinking, suggesting, hoping, praying will happen with this team. Does he know that 90% of the blogosphere fan base (which I would think gives a good cross sampling of the general fan base) doesn’t want to trade our two young prospects, Yunel and Salty, for short term pitching help, or even long term unless it’s for an ACE type starter? Does he wonder, like 95% of the blogosphere, why the manager continues to put AJ and his Mendoza BA @ the #4 slot in the lineup. Sometimes I think he is reading and listening to the wishes, as witnessed by the BYEBYE to Pete Orr.
Or is JS just above it all and doesn’t need to hear from the fan base when it comes to his GM calls?
By AthensBrave
July 6, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
I have a great feeling about the San Diego series this weekend. I think the Braves at least win the series, if not sweep. We don’t have our best pitching going, but neither do they. Our offense is on fire, and the Padres has been lackluster all year.
Did they pick up Germano on waviers or make a trade?
GO BRAVOS
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
GT80, he does read the blog, that I can tell you with certainty. How much stock he puts in the suggestions/opinions therein, I can’t tell you.
By Michael, Ex-Sports Editor
July 6, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Ahhh Boss Lady - if only it were that simple. If it were that simple, then why would this blog engage in the incredibly laborious (and bandwidth - intensive)debate over the Rookie Rules?
Monkeys in the treehouse should be avoided..
By BossLady
July 6, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
See, it is probably something that other bloggers are picking up about you that is a turn off. An exhange of ideas and opinions on baseball needs nothing fresh to discuss as one’s opinions are just that. People are reading this blog that don’t blog or contribute and the ideas are sometimes interesting. Along with some of the other banter and suggestions.
By AthensBrave
July 6, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
Who was it on this blog that kept talking about Escobar before he was called up? I remember one quote was something like, “the era of Escobar begins.” Anyway, whoever you are, good job on the homework and I’m glad to see he’s everything you talked about and more so far
By Hammer'd The Braves
July 6, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Oh, man, did you just say “a lot of good ideas are floated out from time to time”? You mean, about baseball? Oh, brother. McGuirk, Schuerholz, and Cox might read the blog, but purely for entertainment, trust me.
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
DOB, do you know if McCann is starting tonight???
By Brooklyn Brawler
July 6, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
If Salty is going to get significant time at 1B for the forseeabale future then we need to bring Brayan Pena back up to be the regular backup C. I’d also like to see us trade Thorman, if possible and maybe sign a bench power guy like a Phil Nevin, Edgard Alphonso or trade for Matt Stairs similar to what we did with Ward last year.
By N8
July 6, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
DOB
While the blog may be filled with many knee-jerk reactions (myself on a regular basis), I think it’s crucial that a GM read blogs and listen to the radio talk-shows (not for the DJ’s opinions - but for the fans calling in), along with paying attention to merchandise sales and what not.
By all means, if there is a trade that he (JS) feels will help the team, not only short term, but longterm as well, than it’s his job to make an “executive decision” and make the move.
But I agree with you saying that he might not put to much stock into what the bloggers are saying/suggesting. However, if he is a frequent reader of the blog, I commend him for being concerned about what the fans think is going on (or not going on).
After all is said and done, I know that he won’t make a move involving Salty and (or) Escobar, unless he feels it strengthen’s our playoff chances AND sets up next season for success.
During the “run” and when he had Ted’s money at his disposal, he seemed more apt to “give away” a great prospect, for a guy like McGriff and such. But when you REALLY look at his track record, he kept guys like Chipper, Javy, Klesko, Furcal, Giles, etc…, he DIDN’T trade them away for proven commodities. So we shouldn’t assume he’s looking to trade Salty and Escobar.
I think when it comes down to it, he’ll do the right thing. When I say right thing, I mean NOT trading either of them, unless it’s for a sure fire ACE for our pitching staff, that would be in a Braves uniform for a few years.
As much as I like watching Salty and Escobar, even I wouldn’t complain if he got us an ACE for one of them. With the way our pitching has been, how could I.
By Chop Chop
July 6, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Homeboy Upstairs,
Please do us a favor and follow the RROE posted herein. We’re happy to have you on board, but the MIB/Braves blog cannot abide any rookie mistakes. Thanks for your cooperation.
On a personal note, could you please call up your son? I’d like to settle a bet in my favor. We appreciate your bidness.
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
No way, Scheurholz reads this blog??? John, you the man! Now go land us a starting pitcher who’s under control for 3-4 years; and cheap!
By Denny Zenn
July 6, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Darth Grinch, I defended you the other day. Someone said you ate a certain type of sandwich and I told him that you don’t like bread.
By Thrillhouse44
July 6, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Athens, I agree. Our bats have been hot. We were a couple bullpen meltdowns away from sweeping the Dodgers - and that ain’t going to happen again. I like the momentum this team is building.
If Smoltz is as healthy as he believes he is, the young bats continue to contribute, and we get a decent effort from our 4th and 5th starters, I think we’ll roll in the second half. The All Star break is coming at a good time for the team.
I hope Renteria stands by on his words of reminding the NL how good he actually is. There’s no way he should have been overlooked.
By sportsmandh
July 6, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Andruw’s quote about Chipper from today’s DOB article: “One of the greatest hitters in the game. He makes that difference on our team, when he’s in the lineup.” Wonder if Chipper will go ballistic on Andruw the way he did Smoltz now for mentioning something about ‘when Chipper’s in the lineup’.
By Mets Stink
July 6, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
MLB Trade Rumors is reporting that the Braves have shown interest in Dmitri Young. Please tell me it’s not true!
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
Michael, Ex-Sports Editor.
Hey, buddy, don’t try reasoning with a woman particularly one who calls herself Bosslady.
By Shaun
July 6, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
Hammer’d The Braves,
I’m sure about half the regulars could do a better job running the Pirates than their current management.
By Brooklyn Brawler
July 6, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
Saw the Mississppi affiliate in April here in H’ville, AL and in B’ham in June and B. Jones and Carl Loadenthal are serious talents. They hit with power and run with speed and purpose.
Between Lillibridge, Jones, and Loadenthal they have 50+ stlen bases at the halfway point. Don’t know if any of them are goung to be in the AA All-star game
Their can’t be better OF’s in Greenville better than these 2 guys or Lillibridge for that matter. I like Andruw but he needs a change of scenery.
By Joe
July 6, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this
just got wind of a trade of Salty,Davies,and Thorman for Ian Snell and Laroche and minor leaguer
By N8
July 6, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
Anybody STILL think Lou Pinella made an azz out of himself for no reason, with his tirade and suspension?
Cubs are a major league BEST 21-10 since that Sunday (June 3rd).
Looks like it “worked” to me.
By Brooklyn Brawler
July 6, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
I love the Meat Hook, Dmitri is awesome. Can’t play 1st to save his life, though. Would be great bat off the bench. We really needed him when we were going through Inter-League at the DH and he’s cheap.
By The Grinch
July 6, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Why thank you, Pro-tonix. I’m also partial to a little mustard and biscuit (preferably Goulden’s spicy brown), and…oh, you meant the original kind of funny. Um, yeah. So did I.
“…floating some good ideas out every now and then?” That sounds like bathroom humor, and quite apropriate.
Denny Zenn, you missed a spot. Oh, yeah; there it is. Now, what was I talking about? :-)
Off to the gym.
By AZBravoFan
July 6, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Speaking of Hoss being in the lineup: here are Chipper’s numbers since Smoltzie called him out. (allegedly)
12 games played .354 avg .436 OBP .604 SLG 1.040 OPS 7 runs, 3 HR, 14 RBI.
Looks like someone who was about to go on the DL had a little fire lit under him. Last night was reminiscent of some of those great nights at Shea in ‘99.
By Rookie Rules of Engagement
July 6, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Grinch, you handle yourself well enough, you don’t need backup. If it ever gets out of hand, we got our Shaolin brass knuckles, spiked bats, nunchucks, and Chinese stars ready to be used on your behalf.
Looks like pistols at dawn for Braveheart and Savannah Guy…either that or an evening of heavy drinking culminating in one of them putting the other in a headlock and saying “I love ya, ya little f%^$er” whist delivering a noogie to the scalp with a friendly knuckle.
As always, Grinch, you are dead on. Then we will say, what the hell were we fighting about anyway? If we are honest, Braveheart will say I was drunk out of my gourd when I spewed and Savannah will say I was just far too sober when I pontificated.
Kudos to most for not violating Rule #2, staying the helluva out of fights between bloggers. All except for one rook who failed to read and comprehend the rules:
And, since we are talking among our selves and no one is listening, can’t you hardly wait for the next round of the Braveheart vs. Savannah Guy rumble? I’m thinking of calling Aaron’s and renting a 20” monitor so I won’t miss a word.
First of all, Pro-tonix, I’m insulted. I’m a burnt out drunken wannabe vet on the verge of a John Rockeresque mental breakdown, about to drink myself off the blog and find myself released to the waiver wire, and Savannah is an up and comer having a Frenchy like rookie season. The contender with something to prove vs. the clubhouse cancer desperate to hold onto his roster spot. This would be a fight of the century and you are only going to rent a 20 inch screen. This is big screen worthy dammit! Chrissakes, man, that is just insulting.
For that rookie mistake, you are coming out drinking with me, grinch, and savannah now. If Savannah and I are unable to reach a compromise, we will adhere to Rule #2, and unite with each other regardless because I will make sure we turn on you as our common enemy. I told you beware of the nuclear fallout. Don’t forget that Savannah outranks you in service time and he has now had his cherry broken in an ugly fight, so some would dare to suggest he is no longer a rookie.
Just kidding Pro-tonix. Alright, I’ll leave this inanity alone now and let you all get back to your merry blogging. As always, thanks for the enlightened musings of three-fourths of Mt. Rushmore on the matter. I already know CL would be disgusted.
NOW BASEBALL……..
By Denny Zenn
July 6, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Hey, buddy, don’t try reasoning with a woman …
Always sound advice.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this
Grinch, you handle yourself well enough, you don’t need backup. If it ever gets out of hand, we got our Shaolin brass knuckles, spiked bats, nunchucks, and Chinese stars ready to be used on your behalf.
Looks like pistols at dawn for Braveheart and Savannah Guy…either that or an evening of heavy drinking culminating in one of them putting the other in a headlock and saying “I love ya, ya little f%^$er” whist delivering a noogie to the scalp with a friendly knuckle.
As always, Grinch, you are dead on. Then we will say, what the hell were we fighting about anyway? If we are honest, Braveheart will say I was drunk out of my gourd when I spewed and Savannah will say I was just far too sober when I pontificated.
Kudos to most for not violating Rule #2, staying the helluva out of fights between bloggers. All except for one rook who failed to read and comprehend the rules:
And, since we are talking among our selves and no one is listening, can’t you hardly wait for the next round of the Braveheart vs. Savannah Guy rumble? I’m thinking of calling Aaron’s and renting a 20” monitor so I won’t miss a word.
First of all, Pro-tonix, I’m insulted. I’m a burnt out drunken wannabe vet on the verge of a John Rockeresque mental breakdown, about to drink myself off the blog and find myself released to the waiver wire, and Savannah is an up and comer having a Frenchy like rookie season. The contender with something to prove vs. the clubhouse cancer desperate to hold onto his roster spot. This would be a fight of the century and you are only going to rent a 20 inch screen. This is big screen worthy dammit! Chrissakes, man, that is just insulting.
For that rookie mistake, you are coming out drinking with me, grinch, and savannah now. If Savannah and I are unable to reach a compromise, we will adhere to Rule #2, and unite with each other regardless because I will make sure we turn on you as our common enemy. I told you beware of the nuclear fallout. Don’t forget that Savannah outranks you in service time and he has now had his cherry broken in an ugly fight, so some would dare to suggest he is no longer a rookie.
Just kidding Pro-tonix. Alright, I’ll leave this inanity alone now and let you all get back to your merry blogging. As always, thanks for the enlightened musings of three-fourths of Mt. Rushmore on the matter. I already know CL would be disgusted.
NOW BASEBALL……..
By Efrim
July 6, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
Why in the world would the Braves want Dmitri Young??? They should be asking for Jason Bergmann instead.
By Joe
July 6, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
got wind of trade- Salty,Davies,& Thorman for Ian Snell,Laroche,& minor leaguer
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
There’s nothing wrong with D.Young, except of course his lack of mobility/occasional defensive butchery. That being said, I woudln’t give up much to get him, and then pretty much just use as a bat off the bench. I like to see what Salty can do with more time at first. It will also be interesting to see if Thorman ever gets hot (Adam was stone cold in the first half last year as well then got molten in the second half). If not, Thorman probably won’t get another year to work it out. Thorman certainly isn’t doing nay better than Wilson, and he got shown the door for his efforts.
I think our #1 priority has to be adding another stud to the rotation - otherwise, I think we’re an uncomfortably long losing streak waiting to happen.
By N8
July 6, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Oh and by the way Mr. Shuerholtz, I have a trade proposal for you. We send Jarrod Saltalamacchia to Toronto for Frank Thomas, Roy Halladay, and Victor Zambrano.
I think this works out great for both teams. Toronto gets rid of the Thomas contract, we get a awesome number 3 starter in Halladay, and Toronto gets a stud catcher that will be an all star for many years.
The sleeper in this is Zambrano. I saw him pitch on ESPN the other night and he looks like he has figured all of his problems out.
Alright everyone, you can pile on now.lol. You better be ready for my negative response though ROTFL.
By DonCoburleone
July 6, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Probably won’t be on the blog all weekend… So, have a good weekend everybody and lets sweep those $hitty Padres!!!
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
Braveheart, oh excuse me, Mr. Braveheart. You are funny as hell, too. As for what kind of funny, see my earlier to Mr. Grinch.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
So David ATL-14… you’re saying then, that Scott Thorman has been on the Braves’ 40-man roster for over three years? I’m not questioning the process; I did the research myself, so I understand the policies. What I’m not sure of is that Thorman’s been on the 40-man roster over three years. Before we considered shipping off LaRoche, James Jurries was the infielder-to-be the blogosphere here all clamored about, and he’s M.I.A. these days, but I never heard much about Thorman until shortly before his arrival - last season, mid-season.
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
DonC, it’s 12:30 out here, man. Why would I know the lineup for tonight. There’s no one even at the park yet. They don’t even let us IN THE PARK until about 3 p.m. out here.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
It does appear I just violated the double posting rule and did so under two different monikers (which upon further review maybe needs to be a rule I perhaps pay attention to more often - but that is only because Wayne has told me to cut the crap! Which one do you prefer Wayne, Willy Wally or Braveheart?) …… Is the retarded double posting under double monikers worthy of a Oh, the Humanity! or a Holy Cornelia! or just a plain ole Oh, The Stupidity! ….. Back down to the minors for me.
THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 81!
By Impersonator
July 6, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
The guy writing rules for rookies and making sure to point out not to double post ends up dropping a double post himself…
Ironic? I think so.
Funny? Definitely.
By Shaun
July 6, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
N8,
Actually the Cubs were a better team than they showed before that. Their run differential was actually right up there with the top few teams in the NL. Their record just finally caught up with their run differential.
I doubt it has anything to do with the Zambrano-Barrett brawl or Piniella losing it or anything like that.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
David ATL-14… credit where it’s due, man… he was added to the 40-man roster according to an article posted November 30, 2003, which means the Braves ran out of options on him last fall.
Like I said, I wasn’t questioning the particulars of the rules, I just didn’t recall a date that he was added onto the roster.
What’s odd is he was added while at Myrtle Beach (Class A). Sucks he’d have to clear waivers to be sent down, because he clearly needs it. Maybe we can get him to pull a hammy or something.
By Arkansas Hillbilly
July 6, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
Braveheart,
Don’t forget that Savannah outranks you in service time and he has now had his cherry broken in an ugly fight, so some would dare to suggest he is no longer a rookie.
In other words, you’re saying Savannah is now a made guy. Am I right? Welcome to the family Savannah Guy. “There’s no gettin’ out.”
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
I don’t think this team needs any extra bats - unless the plan is not to transition Salty into becoming the everyday firstbaseman by the end of July. We just need a decent pitcher who can help the Braves win 50 to 55% of his starts. We will win 60% of the 50 or so starts we got left in Hudson, Smoltz, and James this year. If we can just get a decent pitcher that will allow us to win 50% of the other 26 remaining starts, we should win 90 games or so and win the division.
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
No, whats ironic is that he double-posts, but only does it because he’d not remembered to change his sign-on name back to what he’d been known to use all this time.
Toto pulled the curtain on the Wizard, it would seem.
By DAP
July 6, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this
but the double posting rule is for rookies…right? thats the way i understood it. the vets should be alowed a double post every now and then!
By DAP
July 6, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this
but the double posting rule is for rookies…right? thats the way i understood it. the vets should be alowed a double post every now and then!
By journalist jimmy smith
July 6, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
Booger was a blogger long ago. Booger’s posts appeared frequently enough, and the posts were good enough, that much of Booger’s material was picked over by other bloggers and used for bloggers’ own amusement. Soon, there were Booger impersonators. Booger left the blog for Booger’s own good. Grinch later came on the scene and made clown shoes under the bed something no blogger wished to find. mbatl would get in spats and leave mad and then return. there is more about the early bloggers but that must wait for another edition. many new and interesting bloggers have come forward of late and are teeming for attention. in time, it will come. and then there are the ugly bloggers … under whatever names. dob has a delete key.
monkey watch … a photo of jo jo is now on the braves page. nice looking young man- IF this is really jo jo. never can tell. these are clever people …
By Kentavo
July 6, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
Are you guys ready for Smoltz’s diagnosis to be more severe? I am bracing myself mentally for that possibility. I hope it’s what he says it is, but he’s not a doctor.
By Shaun
July 6, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
N8,
Not trying to pick on you two posts in a row, but Frank Thomas? He’s a full-time DH at this point.
As for Zambrano, I’m not as optimistic as you. I know he’s only thrown a little over 10 innings but he’s walked 11 hitters, and over a walk an inning is over a walk an inning.
That trade may be worth it for a shot at Roy Halladay but, as good as Salty’s probably going to be, I don’t think the Blue Jays are going to part with him for one player.
By GeorgetownKid
July 6, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
Braveheart,
I think you’re spot-on in your assessment.
By Coach ( The Cliche Machine)
July 6, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
David atl-14 , you don’t know what your talking about concerning Scott Thorman. I’ll read for you in black and white :Options
If a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the active major league roster, he is said to be on optional assignment—his organization may freely move him between the major league club and the minor league club. If a player is on the 40-man roster and not the active 25 man roster for any part of more than three seasons, he is out of options and may not be assigned to the minors without first clearing waivers. If a major league player is ineligible for free agency and “has options” remaining, his team may option him to a minor league team without consequence. This is usually what is meant when players are “sent down” to the minors. Likewise, when a player on the 40-man roster is added to the active major league roster, he is “called up” to the majors. Thorman has only been on the 40 man for two seasons (06-07) , including this one. He has options.
By TheSouthernJackAss
July 6, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
It appears to me that most every unwary, up and coming, wannabe blogger who dares to enter the hellish gates of this treacherous winding path they call a weblog are either “jumped in” or forced to run the “Gauntlet”…consequently, if they survive unscathed from either respective rite of initiation, or if they don’t run away with a tail tucked between their legs in shame, or not cower in a corner like a whimpering fool, or not suffer permanent bannishment…then they’re free to travel the yellow brick road…all the way to the Twilight Zone…
By N8
July 6, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
DOB, what do you think about my trade proposal? It makes more sense to me than the other crap that has been proposed.lol.
Go ahead, let me have it.lol. I can take it like a man. I have vaseline still from the last “reaming” you gave me. ROTFL
By Efrim
July 6, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
N8,
Start with Salty and Francouer for Halladay. Maybe JP will think about it.
By Baron
July 6, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
Joe, don’t bandy about trade rumors without citations- and if that was a joke, it wasn’t stupid or ironic enough to be funny.
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
I have got my nerve up and I am now going to say something about baseball
There was, IMO, an excellent post earlier calling for someone to move Thorman in on the plate and open his stance, slightly, to allow him to beter see the ball.
Back in my playing days(don’t even go into it)one of my coaches tried the same thing with me. I did see the ball better but my linedrives had them scrambling for cover in the first base dugout. In other words, I didn’t have the strength/bat speed to make up for being “open”. I think Thorman does and that it would help him.
By journalist jimmy smith
July 6, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
with all the great stadium names going away, chipper will need ideas for a name for chipper’s next baby. serious consideration should be given to jo jo. imagine jo jo jones in the lineup! and what would harry caray do to such a name? and imagine the introduction, “this is my son, uh, jo, uh, jo, uh, jones.” oh, the humanity! having a new player with a monkey name is a lot of fun! and whatever happened to the blogger, jimbo? elephant name, right? and bloggers should consider, what is in a name? take the d out of dob and add a b and dob could easily be journalist bob!!! imagine that! easy to get the two confused now. and now, what manner of treat will be dispensed to jo jo for a well pitched game? nuts? bananas? oh, the humanity! journalist must quit monkeying around.
By P-Town Brave
July 6, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
If anyone really wants to laugh at someone or cry for someone, check out Jon Garland’s numbers in today’s only day game
Either Ozzie is trying to send a message to his starting pitchers or he really REALLY still doesn’t like his bullpen!
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
ArkHillBilly, I guess the question is: is he a friend of ours or a friend of mine? I think he would prefer to be friend of ours rather than a friend of mine. Since, he is a friend of ours, he is now definitely a made man. Now, I gotta worry about getting whacked. All, he will need is the permission of Don Corleone, er., Don Coburleone. He gets that and I’m sleeping with the fishes.
I think JJS is trying to get me to take a hint….. so, i am gonna take it.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this
Georgetown, are you still on active duty?
By CovNews
July 6, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
DOB Here’s an interesting question. If every team has to have an All Star rep, then what happens if they trade their only player on the team before they play the game? Like if the Nats traded Young? Would he play in a Nat’s jersey even if he was on the, say, the Braves? What if he was traded to the Yanks, would he play for the National League team?
By DAP
July 6, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
some people who know jo jo reyes personally say he really has a chimp on his sholder.
i should learn to keep some things to myself.
By NRBQ
July 6, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
I haven’t read all 671 previous posts, but does it not make sense to put Smoltz on the 15-day DL retroactive to Monday, and bring up someone to fill Orr’s spot on the bench? That should get him back by the 17th, and we wouldn’t “waste” a roster spot as happened during Chipper’s injury.
And how can you “hate” to send a guy down who’s hitting a robust .179?
By David-ATL14
July 6, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
Coach you are an idiot, he’s (Thorman) out of options, wallow in your own ignorance if you want.
I’m sure your accustomed to rolling in it on a daily basis.
Ther’s even a mention about Thorman being out of options in the Dimitri Young story by Ken rosenthal on Fox sports.
Continue to wallow in your owm unknowing universe though Coach.
You wear it well.
By Coach ( The Cliche Machine)
July 6, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
This will make things clear as mud :Options: A player who is still on the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man roster or the disabled list is on an optional assignment to the minor leagues. One of the more complicated matters in baseball, options can be simply explained. A player has three years after he is added to the 40-man roster in which he can be sent to the minors without being removed from the roster, these are option years. An option is used every year such a player is sent down unless the player remains in the minors for less than 10 days in each stint. A player “out-of-options” has exhausted his option years. There are many exceptions to this rule however. If a player has not been on the major-league roster during the season during his career, then he can have a fourth option year. Players with at least five years of major-league experience who haven’t been optioned to the minors three times may be optioned to the minors and still remain on the 40-man roster, but must give their permission. A player with three full years of major league service time must pass through waivers in order to be optioned down. Injured players cannot be optioned down.
By N8
July 6, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Shaun: ” Not trying to pick on you two posts in a row, but Frank Thomas?”
Hell yes Frank Thomas. Are you saying we cannot use 14 homeruns and 43 rbis in the middle of our lineup? Add Halladay and it is a no brainer. lol
Efrim, no way it takes Francouer and Salty to get that deal done. Toronto will gladly give up Thomas’s contract and Halladay for Salty. The kid is going to be a superstar.
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
Doing my ondeck pitching matchups thing for tomorrow’s paper, and just realized we’ll have a 22-year-old lefty (Reyes) vs. a 44-year-old lefty (Boomer Wells)… Baseball, what a great game.
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
I do have one rather indelicate question: When the somen on here reach the pinacle are they, then, considered to be “made” women? Nah…I didn’t think so.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
N8, where you getting the money to pay for Thomas and Halladay?
By Denny Zenn
July 6, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
and then there are the ugly bloggers … under whatever names. dob has a delete key.
Perhaps letting sleeping dogs lie might be appropriate.
By Coach ( The Cliche Machine)
July 6, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
Yo David , read my previous post I-D-I-O-T. I pasted that right off the baseball glossary. Unlike you I actually take the time to look up the facts. You assumed that since Thorman has been on the 40 man since 2003 he was out of options. Read my 4:12 M-O-R-O-N ! You have been educated by the Coach , have a nice day !
By Chop Chop
July 6, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Hmm…I was thinking about L.A. songs today and I thought of one that JJS might appreciate.
Gorilla, You’re A Desperado by Warren Zevon
Big gorilla at the L.A. Zoo/ Snatched the glasses right off my face/ Took the keys to my BMW/ Left me here to take his place
I wish the ape a lot of success/ I’m sorry my apartment’s a mess/ Most of all I’m sorry if I made you blue/ I’m betting the gorilla will, too
They say Jesus will find you wherever you go/But when He’ll come looking for you they don’t know/ In the meantime, keep your profile low/ Gorilla, you’re a desperado
He built a house on an acre of land/ He called it Villa Gorilla Now/ I hear he’s getting divorced/ Laying low at L’Ermitage, of course
Then the ape grew very depressed/ Went through Transactional Analysis/ He plays racquetball and runs in the rain/ Still, he’s shackled to a platinum chain
Big gorilla at the L.A. Zoo/ Snatched the glasses right off my face/ Took the keys to my BMW/ Left me here to take his place
Not a monkey, but ohhhhhhhhhh, the humanity!
By Greg in TN
July 6, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
Afternoon folks…
First off, Congratulations Hoss!!! Holy Cornelia with all of the grumbling I’ve done with friends about a certain former Pirate that was wide left of the plate on an October night in ‘92 it’s good to see Chipper hit two to go into first place on the Atlanta Braves homer list and on a night we beat the Dodgers to boot. I loved everything about Dale Murphy and he’s still my all-time favorite from when I’ve actively followed the team and Chipper is right up there as well. Great stuff.
Got concerns about Smoltz’s arm, the load on the bullpen during this road trip, Wickman’s struggles and last night’s defense. AJ’s whiff in center and KJ dropping the ball with Penny a simple tag away from the end of the inning were just brutal to watch. So too was the cameo shot of Lasorda, don’t get me started on him…
Will be interested to see how Reyes does tomorrow in the SD. Beautiful town that San Diego CA. The ball park is beautiful too. It was a shame my only trip to SD to date was in February, my hotel was a couple of blocks away from Petco Park.
I may have to sneak down to the ATL again to try the new all-you-can-eat section. Would have been really interesting if the club had tried that back when Terry Forster was there. I just hope we’re careful with the sterno in the stands.
We’re under six hours away from Buddy vs Justin Germano at the house Lassie built.
By Luther
July 6, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
I just don’t think that Halladay could be considered a 3rd starter. He actually finished 3rd in the entire league in CY voting last year and he is the 2003 CY winner. His era is up a little this year and he has struggled with injuries, but when healthy I think he’s an ace, not even co-ace. I would love to have him though.
By kinley
July 6, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
So it’s confirmed that Reyes will be pitching Saturday?
By Fred from CT
July 6, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
thomas can’t play the field have you watched a toronto game this year or a oakland game last year maybe you should watch thomas play before you make stupid trade proposals. The guy can’t move.
By Coach ( I Own David ATL-14))
July 6, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this
Pete Orr was added to the 40 man in 2004 , he has been with the Braves(25 man roster) since the beginning of the 2005 season. Orr is in his third major league season , yet the Braves just optioned him to Richmond. yo David , explain it to me , G-E-N-I-U-S ? I know the answer , lets see if you do.
By flange1
July 6, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
N8,
I like your trade proposal. IF we had the money!!
If we have to trade Salty, lets make it to the American league…..
By N8
July 6, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
Braveheart: ” N8, where you getting the money to pay for Halladay and Thomas?”
Thank you, very good question Braveheart. That brings me to the second part of my proposal.lol
We then turn around and send John Smoltz and Edgar Renteria to the Tigers for Joel Zumaya, Zach Miner, and Jose Capellan.
Please don’t throw the tomatoes yet denizens.ROTFL. As you can see we get a great bullpen arm, a good number 3 starting pitcher and one of our old projects back in Capellan. I personally feel like Capellan still has electric stuff and could be an asset to our bullpen or rotation.
Of course all of this depends on John Smoltz and whether he wants to go back to his hometown and win a championship.lol
I personally think that John Smoltz is damaged goods.
By Pro-tonix
July 6, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
Now the Braveheart vs. Savannah Guy rumble has an undercard of Coach(What-ever) vs. David ATL-14. Oh, what-the-hell, let’s let them draw straws and have a 4-man tag team. However, I don’t know if we want to see any of them in wrestling tights.
By N8
July 6, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Fred from Ct: ” Maybe you should watch Thomas play before you make stupid proposals. The guy can’t move”
How very educated of you to point that out (simple Fred). Hey denizens, Fred just made a point. Everybody give him a shout out please. Now Fred, eat your cookie and shut your trap for the rest of the night.
You have told everyone here what we already know. Congratulations simple Fred. Have you ever thought though ,that we do not have a 1st baseman that can field anyway right now. Come on simple Fred just admit it. There is no gold gloves over at 1st base right now.
The point was to get Halladay you dumba$$.
By David-ATL14
July 6, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
Coach, I don’t have to explain anything, you fail to understand, Orr had all 3 of his options left, because the first year he was placed on the 40, he also was on the 25 man roster. Until yesterday Orr had all 3 options left, Thorman has zero options. You are wrong,on a consistent basis,but like I said you wallow in your ignorance.
Your reading the option thing wrong, it’s printed right ,but you are too dam n dumb to comprehnd.
Thorman is out of options,if you want to tell yourself otherwise, I’m sure that would only be one in a littany of things you are misinformed about.
By Coach ( Keeping the Blog Honest)
July 6, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Pro-tonix , I’m just trying to help the retarded bloggers among us walk in a straight line. look before you leap , David ATL-14. Now , step away from the computer and go pick up your toys. Maybe O’Brien can answer this one : Joey Devine started the season on the 40 man roster , the Braves removed him from it and then put him back on the 40 man. I have no idea how that works , but it happened.
By Braveheart
July 6, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
Wayne vs. N8 has top billing in this Friday Night at the Fights ….. gotta give two vets their just due ….. and we all need ‘em to start swinging away on each other already ….. enough already with the sniping
By brent a.
July 6, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
I’ll just throw this out:
Last year in San Diego, Andruw hit 3 home-runs in the first 2 games of a 3 game series.
While I realize that he’s down this year, he does have 3 homers (and a near miss!) in the last 9 days. Plus, he seems to like Petco Park.
I have a good feeling about this week-end.
Go Braves!
By Michael, Ex-Sports Editor
July 6, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
I’ve noticed a few musicians on this blog - we should get together, drink some beers, and jam. We could record it and market it with the tshirts. We could call ourselves “The Bloglodytes” or “Treehouse Monkeys”..oh! the simianity!
By TennesseePaul
July 6, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
DOB: Enjoy SD. They have a great Woodfire Grill pizza place, not too far from the park. That whole section of town is soooo much nicer than it was prior to the development. But, if you didn’t hit up Phillipe’s, then, well, it’s sad really. Ya need to drive back up here and have a meal then head back down. =)
As for JS reading the blog… I’m glad he does. I think it’s cool. But as for taking suggestions from the blog and applying them… well let’s just say I’m glad he’s in charge. He did quite well without the blog, I’m sure he can manage well enough going forward. But knowing he at least hears the fans is cool.
The all star break is coming up. I’ll have my number crunching ready by then. My streakiness stats should be done. Not that I’ve been working 100% of the time on them this season, I do have to eat. But I’ll have the time to finish up that as well as the seasonal crunch for the team. I can say this much… none of my number crunching predicted or hinted that AJ would be this, well, bad, this season. Can’t wait for this guy to break out like a monster. Part of me hopes he struggles enough to keep the Bravos clear in the lead for resigning him, but the other part wants to see that guy go nuts and destroy the competition the rest of the season. That second part of me wishes so for several reason… I like AJ. I’ve watched him since AA. I like the Braves, and AJ catching fire only helps. And, lastly, I just think it’ll burst like a dam and I can’t wait to see the flood.
GO BRAVES
By David-ATL14
July 6, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this
Wrong again Coach, Devine has never been removed from the 40 man roster.
He will be out of options next season.
Thorman out of options now, Devine out next season, Orr with 2 left.
I know that is too much info for your pea brain.
Time for you(Coach) to go outside, get that Wifebeater off the clothesline,
Open that Tall Boy PBR and ask yourself, how can I be so wrong about everything.
The info is out there, right in front,of your eyes but I just can’t understand.
Don’t know whether to laugh or feel sorry for your lack of understanding.
By TennesseePaul
July 6, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
ChiSox/Twins: 20-11 Twins in the 8th
What, did they sign Redman?
By AthensBrave
July 6, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
“We then turn around and send John Smoltz and Edgar Renteria to the Tigers for Joel Zumaya, Zach Miner, and Jose Capellan” “I personally think that John Smoltz is damaged goods” N8 4:46
I propose another blog rule that the bearded Brave icon cannot be discussed in retarded trade rumors, and should never be insulted. He has done so much for the franchise. He is the Braves.
you should be ashamed of yourself
By Fred from CT
July 6, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
N8 you are right trade for thomas that’s what we need and do you think they are gonna trade roy halladay. he is under contract through 2010.
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
David-ATL14, I guess I’m confused … why would Scott Thorman be out of options? He didn’t debut until last year.
By Yars
July 6, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
I understand why a lot of you want to keep Yunel, but why do you just assume he has more upside than Kelly Johnson? I’d much rather keep KJ & trade Yunel. I think KJ has the potential to hit around .290, 20 HR, 80 RBI, 100+ runs scored, 15-20 SB, OBP around .390, & decent defense in future seasons. Yunel however, doesn’t have any power, but I could see him being a .300 hitter with solid defense, & a above average OBP. The reality is, they both should be playing everyday. KJ doesn’t really deserve to be in a platoon role. He should be playing everyday at 2B. Only reason I can see Atlanta not trading Yunel this season, is if they plan on trading Renteria over the winter, & then moving Yunel to SS.
By David O'Brien
July 6, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
Braves just announced this:
“Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz met with team doctors today in Atlanta and underwent an MRI test on his right shoulder. The results of the test showed a “good” rotator cuff and some inflammation in the shoulder.
“As a result of today’s findings, Smoltz will not be going to Birmingham, Ala., next week to meet with Dr. James Andrews. However, the Braves have placed Smoltz on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to July 3. Smoltz will be eligible to come off the DL on July 18.”
OK, I’ll fill you in a little later when I get to the park and get any more details.
OK, NEW BLOG IS UP
By Coach ( Keeping the Blog Honest)
July 6, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
David , you are stupidity defined. You get the Forrest Gump award for the week. I bet you argue with a stop sign on a daily basis. A player with less than three full years of major league service time is not required to pass through waivers (Thorman) if optioned to the minors. WHAT PART OF THAT FACT IS NOT SINKING INTO THAT DULL CRANIUM OF YOURS david ?
By rammerjammer
July 6, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
Kinda surprised there’s not more talk about the interest JS has/had in Dmitri Young. He’s 33, a full-time 1B, and a switch hitter. Pray tell, why would JS be interested…UNLESS it’s to deal Salty.
Sure, it could be argued that Salty needs “seasoning” (thank you) at 1B in the minors. I don’t believe it, but suppose that’s it. OK, he gets seasoning for half a season (thank you again) and then he’s ready to play 1B for El Bravos in 2008.
But there’s Dmitri Young hitting like a crazy man. Hmmm…
You think this is just a rent-a-first baseman move? Maybe so, and that’s why JS only offered mid-level AA prospects, with the intent of putting Salty at 1B in ‘08.
I think it’s all very interesting.
By TennesseePaul
July 6, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
5 errors by the ChiSox. Garland went 3.1 innings and gave up 11 runs. Holy Cornelia!
By Bob, Journalist
July 6, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
That’s I didn’t think he had been on the 40 man roster for 3 years.
By ernesto
July 6, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
New blog is up.
By Ron
July 6, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
N8 your 4:46 post was crazy dude!!! Hell I think we could trade Renteria for Joe Blanton!! Joe Blanton is better than Zack Miner!!! John Smoltz, Devine and Harrison could bring in Verlander!!! We would not be gettin nothin in the trade that you proposed!!! You said Smoltz is damaged goods what about Zumaya dude?
By Richard Cory
July 6, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this
Braveheart—Rule 2]Be patient. Only hit the post button once. :]
By Ron Roberts
July 6, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
I’ve been trying to get an explanation outta David ATL-14 too, but he’s a little caught up in trading insults with Coach to actually explain how he’s staunchly assured he’s correct.
By TennesseePaul
July 6, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this
Athens Brave: I totally agree. Sending Smoltz anywhere but Cooperstown is out of the question. He is a Brave through and through.
Besides, I think Jose Capellan is still with the Brewers. Maybe I missed the trade there. Perhaps the blind rage and utter hopelessness of N8 blocked it from my view.
By Coach ( Arguing With A Tree Stump)
July 6, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
david , you want to know whats wrong with you ? You cannot admit when your wrong. Thats a serious character flaw. Retarded you are. I’m not going to continue to waste my time on a piece of fecal matter. I’m out.
By TheCutMan
July 6, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
Let’s take another venturesome step down that boulevard of broken dreams as it relates to where the Braves are today, where they could/should end up at season’s end AND, and, and, what mitigating factors will impact each, shall we?
Bold move on my part but I’m nearly always ready to go where others have dared not to go. (That’s a weak attempt at levity for many of those reading this in Cumming.)
The Braves are at 45-41 or winning at a .523 clip. If they continue at that pace, they finish at 85 wins which is marginal for making the playoffs. OK, the Cards made it last year at fewer wins but I think we can all agree that was an exception.
Let’s say it will take 90 wins, minimum, to make the dance? So, where do those extra 5 W’s come from?
Option 1: Better performances from the existing cast? Not likely as most of the position players are performing up to or above expectations with Thor and Andruw being the notable exceptions. Those two could come on in the second half but could just as easily be cancelled out by a pair dropping down.
Option 2: More 6-7 inning ‘quality starts’ by the current 1-5 starting hurlers? This could happen, IF, Carlyle continues his consistency, Smoltzie comes back with no further injuries, Davies finally realizes his ‘this close’ (fingers 1/4” apart) Bobby Cox prediction, Chuckie finds a 4th pitch and Huddy continues his consistency noted of late. Hmmmm. Likely or not likely? Smart money goes on the latter.
Option 3) The farm produces and surprises. Jo Jo Reyes comes on and becomes a reliable 7-8 game winner with only 2-3 losses.
Option 4) Get into the trade market, give up some quality to get a reliable starting pitcher that will give the Braves 7-8 wins in the second half, and live with the fact that a Escobar or Salty will be a star for years to come with another team.
Of all those options listed, I’d go with #3 above because the others have problems in one form or the other.
By Skipper
July 9, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
Anyone still here?