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By Stephen

June 20, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Call me crazy, but I think picking up J.C. Romero would have been a better move than this… Romero at least has a track record of being a solid reliever.

By CJ

June 20, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

DOB- You think Andruw was really ok with being benched, or is he just saying that? Hopefully it will light a fire under his…

By Train Wreck Bystander

June 20, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Not going to be a geek and say “first post”.

Certainly will be odd for McBride this weekend - but that’s got to be an easy move - haul your box to the other clubhouse.

I sincerely hope AJ comes back with a vengence this weekend. It’s almost getting to the point that we should call him Andruw Langerjones.

By SourPatchKid

June 20, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

yes

By Coach (NOT DRINKING THE KOOL AID)

June 20, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Lefty for lefty and thats about it except for the fact that Ledezma has those 33 starts , which makes him a spot starter if needed. Andruw benched ? As usual , a day late and a dollar short. Let’s see if the lineup responds to the change.

By Chris

June 20, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

When will we ship out Andruw? Is trading McBride a message? I think it’s a crappy one. It just reinforces the bums (AJ) are untouchable and that when a change is needed we’ll ship a nobody. At least AJ has been benched tonight so we have a chance to win.

By N8

June 20, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

BOOOO .202 batting average.

HOORAY for the bench!

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

DOB thanks for the update and the new blog. Try to do it faster next time though. This waiting 55 minutes for news business is so 20th centry.

I’m not sold on Wilfredo. He’s got to perform. But I’d imagine his ability to start is what raised his worth. It can’t be his Enormous amount of hits (38 or so in 35 innings). Hits from a reliever are worse than a walk (but only slightly). Hits are what allow inherited runners to score. Walks aren’t pretty either though and this guy has piled those up as well.

Hope he likes the scenery down here. It’s slightly closer to Venezuela. Perhaps the humid summer will put him in good spirits.

By SaltyWoody

June 20, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

That’s pretty tough for McBride…moving his stuff to the visiting dugout and all.

Do we really believe this is just a “change of scenery” thing? Or did McBride tick someone off?

Judging on numbers alone, it seems hard to believe Schuerholtz really believed Ledezma was an upgrade. Especially if McBride was a first rounder a few years ago.

At the very least, I’m glad we’re not pursuing Romero. Any lefty reliever that’s being released at this point in the season has got to be somewhere around Redman-quality. And we’re not talking the high-grade chewing tobacco.

By Ron Roberts

June 20, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

I personally wish Andruw would have a phantom hammy strain and need a rehab stint down in the minors, myself.

By Renfield

June 20, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Didn’t this happen in 2002, the Tigers came to town and the Braves made a trade sending the player to the visiting clubhouse. I think it was a bench player.

By ElbravoX

June 20, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Mr.COX READS THE BLOG!

By Roja

June 20, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

When will we ship out Andruw?? What a dumb@$$. Must be a Mets fan angry that they are falling like a rock!!!

By Blueridge

June 20, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

A. Langerjones….brilliant. About to be Mendozajones. I think a couple of days away FROM Andruw is much needed. Anybody else feel like they can watch the game tonight in peace, without those 3 to 4 moments of intense embarassment/ frustration?

By Chop Chop

June 20, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Langerjones…ouch.

I guess the best we can hope for from Andruw this year is to do the same thing Richie Sexson has done the past couple of years, which means basically going insane at the plate for the last couple of months and getting his average up into the .260s. In fact, their career averages (.266 for Sexson, .264 for Andruw) and OBPs (.347 for Sexson and .343 for Andruw) are very similar.

Currently, Sexson’s hitting .203, 11 HRs and 40 RBI. Andruw’s hitting .202, 11 HRs and 42 RBI.

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

DOB: I forgot, so I’ll spit it out here, get it out of the way:
Who is the player in the Langerhans trade that we received?
What’s up with Tanyon Sturtz?
Why didn’t you post this trade business sooner?
Where did the link for the DOB T-Shirt go?
Any news about trading for Crawford?

Alright… now I’m ready for the game to start.

By Bob

June 20, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Ok guess we will see what happens in the Pen but on the face of it I am not sure about this one. I suspect if it is close game tonight we will still see Andruw at the plate.

By rammerjammer

June 20, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

The guy DID have some fine minor league numbers. Braves HAVE had some success with AL imports. Uh, also some failures (Redman comes to mind). Probably worth a gamble, since JS and BC had had it with Macay.

By Blueridge

June 20, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

A. Langerjones….brilliant. About to be Mendozajones. I think a couple of days away FROM Andruw is much needed. Anybody else feel like they can watch the game tonight in peace, without those 3 to 4 moments of intense embarassment/ frustration?

By Andrew

June 20, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Chris, you are an idiot. When will we ship out Andruw? The guy has a bad year and we say goodbye? He is obviously distracted with the contract and trying to put up big numbers to justify the big payday. Also, bench Andruw and we finally get a chance to win? Regardless of Andruw’s hitting problems, he still is a figure in the lineup but mostly on defense. True Braves Fans know that Andruw in the lineup is a positive. I would like to see JS and Andruw sit down and talk about next year. At the very least maybe talk ballpark numbers and assure Andruw he will always have a home in Atlanta. Hoping for a Braves win tonight. GO BRAVES!

By Lew

June 20, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Did you notice the other night when BC took McBride out of the game, he took the ball and turned his back to him. NO butt slap, no pat on the back. He dismissed him. He was also much more demonstrative in his anger in the dugout, too. McBride did something to p!$$ off the powers that be.

By MBATL

June 20, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

I’ve read a couple of opinions on other sites where people think Ledezma has the stuff - 4 pitches, decent velocity - to be a pretty good 3rd or 4th starter, eventually. I have no idea … just looking for something positive to say … the trade is not exactly invigorating.

Sounds like the Braves were pretty put out with McBride - the earlier banishment to AAA, and now this. Oh well. He never could get righties out, so would never have been more than a LOOGY (lefty one out guy) for us. Maybe the change will do him good.

Good move by Bobby to bench AJ tonight - give him a couple of days to decompress. What else can we do?

By Berigan

June 20, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

SaltyWoody, Yeah, McBride po’ed someone, Bobby Cox! He was having fits when he didn’t have control 2 nights ago….funny, can’t stand a lefty to lose control, but Andruw swinging at 2 strike pitches way outside, over, and over, and over again…knowing full well that is what they are going to pitch to you…well, that just now got him benched for a game.

Watch, Willie will get 3 hits playing centerfield, we win tonight, and Andruw will be right back out there Friday.

By bravefansince54

June 20, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

3.99 in 112 appearances seems decidedly better than 5.15 in 106 appearances. This year’s McBride’s ERA was hopeful. This obviously isn’t a major trade, so maybe it’s like drawing new cards…what the heck.

AJ’s benching had to be done, and was done the right way. This year is simply very likely to be his “off year”, and he’ll go elsewhere for big money in off season, because…well, because other teams pay the kind of big money that this market supports, and the Braves, very, very wisely do not. All this fixation over a guy who’s having a bad awful year is getting old. His is not quite history, but let’s just say the book is the book is being set to type. AJ should be benched more, and slowly given opportuntities to show the rest of the baseball world what his future might look like, as it is not in Atlanta. We need to start looking like the team that we are becoming, and that’s a team with no Andruw Jones, but with lots of potential. It isn’t personal -he drove in a ton of runs and saved dozens of others. Carrying the big stick for the Braves is a thing of the past. I am not writing off this season, by any means, but I am both lowering my expectations, and taking a longer look down the road. Like what I see, too. Peace.

By Lew

June 20, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

ChopChop-Damn Dude, that’s an interesting comparison. Oh, How the Mighty have fallen.

By N8

June 20, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

chop chop

“which means basically going insane at the plate for the last couple of months and getting his average up into the .260s.”

The only person that’s gonna go insane, in relation to Andruw, is Scott Bora$. (unless you count the fans).

The guy woul have to hit about .385 after the allstar break to get his average up to .260.

Andruw and .385 in the same sentence? LOL! Only if you’re predicting his post-allstar break slugging percentage.

By Ron Roberts

June 20, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

TennPaul… you do realize it’s not exactly a reporter-friendly environment in the clubhouse, right? Not exactly equipped for reporters to make breaking reports there, right? It’s a slow, methodical elevator ride from the press box down to the locker room downstairs and back.

By HBG

June 20, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Stephen…

Using the same apparent criteria you used in promoting J.C. Romero… we should sign Jesse Orosco.. he has a decent track record as a left handed reliever!!!

It’s not a surprise that AJ is sitting tonight.. it’s been on sports radio for a couple of days that it might happen. I just hope it wakes him up. If it doesn’t, I’ll have to return my copy of the book claiming that Jayson Stark is the most overrated sportswriter in the history of baseball!

and DOB… why can’t ya just sit here and give us constant updates? Bobby doesn’t have ya on the ESP list? ;)

HBG

By Treeman

June 20, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

It seems as though Bobby Cox may actually read this blog. Some positive things are suggested here and sometimes, it happens! Not the McBride trade, but setting Andruw down.

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

MBATL: Good move by Bobby to bench AJ tonight - give him a couple of days to decompress.

Reminds me of the Summer of George, when Costanza got the frig chair so he could just decompress. Seinfeld would ask him, “Are you still decomposing?”

Lew: I’d have to lean towards that line of thought as well. Meantioned that on the other blog. Cox threw his hands up and rolled his eyes when McBride chucked it to the back-stop. I think they’d seen enough of him. Perhaps the change will do him well. Hope it does well for Wilfredo.

By Robert

June 20, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

McBride for Ledezma - two lefties with godawful K/BB ratios - that was swapping my junk for your junk

Cox was in meetings all day, eh? Lordy what a visual

By Snake

June 20, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Andruw can not be shipped off. He is a 5-10 guy after late last year and can veto any trade. He and his agent Scott Boras said all trades will get vetoed. He is hear until season ends.

It will be interesting to see which teams throws money at him.

By SaltyWoody

June 20, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Tennessee Paul Ummm…what in the name of Smoltz are you talking about?

I’m pretty sure if you actually read the blog, you’d know that this part: *”Folks, I don’t have the ability to write on my cellphone from the clubhouse, and I am notgoing to be tethered to a CrackBerry unless forced at gunpoint. Therefore, couldn’t update until I got back upstairs, after talking to Macay, Schuerholz, etc.

I say that because some here seem stunned that I don’t sit and constantly update. I do have to actually go down and report, talk to people, wait for team officials to address the media, etc.*

was directed at people like you.

Also, if you keep up at all, you’d know Sturtze still won’t be back for a while now. And who knows what you’re talking about with regards to going after Crawford. Last time I checked, left field was looking better than almost anywhere else.

By Kieran, Long Island Brave Fan

June 20, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

I promise you “Mr. Cox” DOES NOT read the Blog.

Did anyone else see Ledezma pitch in the Post season Last year? As I recall he looked very impressive, so much that I made a mental not of it and got excited when I heard his name. I definatly think this dude is gonna start in the near future but because they have no other lefties in the Bullpen, thats where he’ll be.

I do also think JC Romero is a possibility, He’ll get gobbled up by someone, why not the bravos, even though O’Brien scoffs at it. (Just for the record Dave also scoffed at the notion of Willie Harris making the team in teh spring and helping the braves in anyway back when we didnt know who the second basemen would be.) Oh And also for the record I DO NOT think Romero is the answer by anymeans, I could just see the Braves gobbling him up if the Yankees don’t get there first.

By the way your comment about the Big Rubber balls in the Gym had me crackin up. It’s alsways comical watching people try to utilize them in their own way. EVerytime I see them being used I see them being used a differant way. Its like the skit on “Who’s line is it anyway?” where the comics have to use differant props interpretivly… Funny stuff.

Also some love to the blogger who said “Hopefully we won’t have a Big Red Redux” In reference to John Thompson. HAHA! Great stuff.

By pondscum

June 20, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

I say trade Andruw now,atleast get something for him to help the team now before his $20 million buck slumping a$$ is gone and we have nothign to show for it.

As for McBride,to bad Paronto couldn’t have joined him.

By StingerSplash

June 20, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Have you seen Romero’s numbers this year? George Romero didn’t have scarier figures. The Ledezma-McBride swap bothers me, and not just because the homeboy upstairs sent one of our homeboys (south Georgia) to the cold, cruel city of Day-twa. McBride’s been erratic but the Tigers’ pen hasn’t been great shakes this year (being Zumaya-less has hurt them, as if that took a Nobel Prize winner to figure out), but if they were so willing to send Ledezma packing, shouldn’t that give the Braves a sense of caveat emptor?

By joebrave

June 20, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

No one here wants to say it I will,Ledezma has lights out stuff,lefty with a 95plus fastball,He was just in the wrong league,This guy will be a beast here in the Atl..mark it down,And damn it didn’t take Salty to get him,I screamed for him all winter now we have a plus quality arm…And for the naysayers,Ledezma was pitching in the A.L. so take the ERA for what it’s worth,they should call that the Steroid League!!! nothing like National League Baseball…

By Lew

June 20, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

TenPaul=That’s sure the way it looked to me. You feeling any better, Dude?

By Rajesh

June 20, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

I dont get it. Mcbride’s record against lefties this year is: Ave: 0.160, OBP: 0.300, HR:0

Ledezma’s record against lefties this year is: Ave: 0.340, OBP: 0.393, HR:2

On top of it we dont have any other leftie reliever!! why are we doing this to ourselves?

Out main problem is actually starting pitching!! Huddy has had only 2 quality starts since may20(7 starts). Chucky and kyle are too inconsistent.. and buddy is our 5th pitcher.. need i say more?? when are we gonna actually address our real problem??

By William Collins

June 20, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

I think Lew is right on. I watched the game the other night and BC looked plain outright p** in the dugout and not appreciably happier on the mound taking McBride out after enduring that Nuke Laloosh imitation. Maybe this is one of those “change of scenery” trades, but this doesn’t strike me as one of those trades where JS burned the midnight oil making. I don’t know what McBride did or didn’t do other than pitch lousy, but he sure torqued somebody off. Good luck, Macay. Hope it works out for you in Detroit.

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts: I’d say, yes, a little more so than some recognizing sarcasm… perhaps?

N8: AJ has hit like mad before and fairly high for an extended period of time. But he doesn’t have to hit .385 to do it. He averages 670 plate appeances a season. Right now he turns about 85% of those into walks. This means he has about 365 plate appeances left and about 316 at bats, meaning he’d have to hit .310 the rest of the season to pull his average up to .260. He has hit that well for a 2.5 month span. He did it in 2005. He’s only draw back was some of his splits, but his over all numbers were fine. I’d be happy with him if he gets on fire in the second half. Borass likes it just as well anyway. If the team makes it to the playoffs and AJ goes nuts, it’ll be enough for Borass. Borass is only in trouble if AJ stinks for the rest of the year and into the post season.

By Robert

June 20, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Ledezma - BD 1/21/81 - 171K’s and 126 BB’s in 106 career appearances totalling 283 IP

McBride - 10/24/82 85K’s and 54 BB’s in 85.2 IP over 112 games

Inside numbers suggest that McBride has the better stuff (higher K rate), that both have problems with command (high walk rates), and that Ledezma is a better option as a potential starter

The Tigers have 2 starters coming off the DL soon, and relief issues

The Braves are scrambling to find anyone worth a look as a starter, and could afford to give up a guy who had contributed a total of 15 highly mediocre relief innings

The trade makes some sense

I have only one question. Considering that JS apparently openly said that he thinks Ledezma is better, and considering the high praise Donk has given McBride:

Was Cox lying? Is Cox just dumb as rocks? Or is Ledezma the second coming?

By ncscoots

June 20, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Did Ron Roberts and SaltyWoody get born without the humor gene, LOL? Fellas, you missed the tongue planted firmly in cheek re TennPaul.

Your concern for DOB (and fine sucking-up it was, I might add) is delightfully touching if shockingly misplaced. :-)

By Chop Chop

June 20, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

N8,

I’m quite aware of the near-impossibility of Andruw pulling a .260-plus average off this year, especially when his career averages from July through September are in the .250s. However, if he goes on a tear between now and the Break, he could get his average up around .220 or so. If he progresses to his mean the way he should, he’s going to pound some people very soon. Otherwise, he’ll just end up having an utterly terrible walk year.

By the way, I’m not a glass half-full kind of guy, so there’s no reason to attempt to impress me by shooting down one of my comments. I made a simple comparison…and I’m sure there’s a similar percentage of Mariners fans now wondering if Sexson is ever going to hit again, but he managed to do it last year. Whatever happens, Andruw is going to be here for the rest of this year and he’s not going to be benched for prolonged periods of time if the Braves are even slightly interested in keeping him beyond this season. He’ll just have to dig himself out of it. If he tells us all to kiss his a* at the end of the year, so be it.

By Ed Glennon

June 20, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

I was really disappointed in Pere Orr last night. It was the most important AB of the year for him. If he could have gotten a hit he would be hitting 13 points above Andruw. Think what would be going through his mind. Instead of the lousy $400,000 he makes now he could be asking for $18 million for 7 years with a $8 million buyout. He just tells Scott Boreus, “Look man I’m hitting 13 points higher. I want to build my own batting cage in my back yard.” But alas he blew it. Even if Andruw goes down to .196 it just won’t be the same.

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

Lew: Doing better, thanks. I remember reading about the story when it happened but I distinctly remember thinking, that’s not the person I know. Guess that’s what you do when you read something so ridiculously horrible. You just assume it’s an amazing coincidence that the names match up… Not this time though. Not this time. She was a Georgia native. I remember going hiking, listening to tunes, hanging with the family. Jumpin’ on their trampolean. All the stuff. The stuff you forget because it seemed meaningless… it all comes back and seems so important now.

By Bob

June 20, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

joebrave,

I am marking it down. I hope you are right because on the face of it this trade doesn’t seem to make much sense to me. I ain’t the baseball genius that some on this blog are, so I will wait and pass judgement after we have had a chance to see. Again, I really hope you are right.

By Lew

June 20, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Now Robert-Come on Dude. You really can’t turn this one back on Bobby. Dude, he has high praise for everyone on his team-always. Damn, man, if you were on his team, he’d praise you, too.

By Ron Roberts

June 20, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Pondscum… did you just post so you could see your words on the internet? Chad Paronto’s doing just fine for us, thankyaverymuch.

The dude pitched through an injury in May and the stats showed it. But for June, he’s pitched in 9 games, 11 innings, giving up all of 2 earned runs, for a 1.64 ERA. What’s more, his last six outings, zero earned runs. And not against hitting slouches, either. We’re talking Cubs (2 games), the Twins, Indians and two nights in a row against that vaunted Red Sox lineup - with zero earned runs.

Know your stuff, man…

By Marty

June 20, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

This was a trade of one mediocre middle reliever for another mediocre middle reliever. As DOB said, it smacks of the classic “change of scenery” trade.

By BravesFanInRockies

June 20, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Berigan,

I think you nailed it. Mac po’ed Bobby Monday night when he couldn’t throw a strike in a 9-3 game and forced Soriano and Wickman to warm up — and Wickman to finish the game. (Me, I would have gotten Moylan up in the pen. Then again, I ain’t no big league manager.)

That’s inexcusable, and I expected Macbride to get a change of scenery, but more like Richmond than Detroit.

By chipdip

June 20, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Mcbride blows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Good riddance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who cares!!!!!!!FAT BUTTERBALL!!!!!!!!

By BravesFanInRockies

June 20, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Also, when Bobby took Macay out of the game Monday it was the first time I can remember him taking the ball from a pitcher and not patting him on the back. Just gimme the ball and get outta here.

By SaltyWoody

June 20, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

ncscoots How was the tongue planted firmly in cheek if tennpaul mentioned the lack of rapidity in reporting the news twice? Once is funny, twice is serious.

And with the overwhelming number of people who come on here and say “when are we trading Andruw?” and “the season’s over,” is it any surprise that some of us are prone to calling out idiocy?

By Bob

June 20, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Frankly I don’t care if Andruw gets his average up to 250 or 240 or whatever. If he hits 260 or 270 and starts getting key hits in critical situations and starts driving in runs, then I could care less what his final batting average is. I know that might be a lot to ask for based on what we have seen so far, but frankly I don’t think this team has any chance to make it to the playoffs unless Andruw gets fixed. We cannot expect the Mets to continue to suck pond water like they have for the past month and even with the Philly bullpen problems, they are going to score lots of runs.

By ernesto

June 20, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

When Andruw’s butt hits the bench it’ll be the first solid contact he’s made in awhile…hope he doesn’t fall over in hte follow through.

By Ron Roberts

June 20, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

TennPaul and NCScoots… sarcasm isn’t something you can read, for one thing. For another, being a long-time blogger here, it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility that somebody might be redundant and/or ask a question after it’d been answered ad nauseum because they’d not been paying attention.

Not saying TennPaul falls into the category of the mindless, myopic blogger… I always say, if you wanna crack a joke or be deadpan in print, it’s probably best to throw in something that lets folks know it’s a joke. :) works.

C’est la. No harm meant by it. But there was an awful lot of b!tching on the last blog about it taking “too” long for DO’B to get the info out to us spoiled bloggers, too.

By Braves Fan 79

June 20, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

JoeBrave: man i hope your right about our new reliever. After picking up crap like woodward and redmen in the offseason the past year ive questioned JS decisions. The man knows more than me thou…i just hope he proves me wrong that we got another crap player.

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Well all I can do is laugh. That one paid off more than was intended.

By geauxbraves2000

June 20, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

So, we traded McBride for McBride it appears, just a different name. DOB was right, a minor trade. Oh well, hopefully both will succeed with their new teams.

A win tonight would be another series win against a tough opponent. Hopefully Carlyle will be on his game.

Sure wish the Braves could’ve taken advantage of the recent Mets slide.

Geaux Braves!!

By N8

June 20, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

chop chop

“By the way, I’m not a glass half-full kind of guy, so there’s no reason to attempt to impress me by shooting down one of my comments.”

If I was trying to impress you, you’d know it. Besides, I wasn’t “shooting down” one of your comments. Just calling it like I see it. Whether it was KC making the comment, Robert ranting, or DOB quoting Bobby.

All I was saying is that, with the season half over, there isn’t a chance in hell of him ending up at .260 by the end of the year.

In the last 3 seasons, the HIGHEST he has ever hit for in any given month, is .317 (32 for 101) in June of 2005. It has been since May-June of 2000 since he hit .300 in back back months (he hasn’t even been close, since).

So let’s say hell freezes over, along with the Eagles doing ANOTHER “reunion” tour, Andruw manages to collect 96 hits in his next 303 AB’s, that would STILL leave him at he would end the year with a .263 average.

So, like I said. Based on his last 7 years, added to how lost he’s looked this year, I wouldn’t feel to scared to go to Vegas and wager, that Andruw does not end up at his career average of .264 by seasons end.

So there.

If you’re not impressed by that “research and reasoning” (not to mention what my naked eye could’ve told you with a simple 2 word review of Sh!t Sandwich), then you are quite simply “un-impressible”. :-)

By SaltyWoody

June 20, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

RR Well said. You stated things much more eloquently than I did.

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

Chris, where do you propose the Braves “ship him out” to, regarding Andruw? Maybe send him home and keep paying his $13.5 mill salary? Or trade him somewhere and tell him he either accepts the trade or, or, well, we’ll send you home and keep paying your $13.5 mill salary?

And what do you mean, does trading McBride send a message? I don’t really get the question. What message would that be sending, and to whom? You better shape up and pitch well (he’d pitched pretty well since getting back from minors), or we’ll trade you to the American League champions for a pitcher whose been a lot worse than you’ve been?

By Ron Roberts

June 20, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

BravesFanInTheRockies… Moylan had already pitched in that game by the time Macay melted down.

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

OH man this thing is going to keep on rollin’.

Ron Roberts: No harm was taken. All in good fun.

By Ron Roberts

June 20, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Ernesto…

That was flat-out *H I L A R I O U S ! ! *

By ncscoots

June 20, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Salty, I’m not against anyone “calling out idiocy”. This is a blog, have at it. I can tell you from experience that it becomes wearisome, though. And I was only pointing out that you mischaracterized the post in question.

And Ron, any “longtime blogger” would have read enough of TPaul’s posts to recognize the humor. Some folks don’t need to add emoticons to bespeak humor. Not you, of course, but some people.

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

N8: if you scanned my earlier posts, that should have been 85% into at bats not walks.

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

By the way, Ledezma has a better arm than I thought, after talking to several folks who know. He’s got a real good arm and throws harder than McBride, and Tigers still believed he might become a good starter.

But they don’t need a starter, and, most importantly, he’s out of options and they need roster flexibility. McBride has options. Tough for McBride, but he can probably expect to be sent down right away. Otherwise, move doesn’t make a lot of sense for them.

By the way, McBride gets lefties out; Ledezma’s been torched by lefties for a .340 average (17-for-50) and .400 OBP this season.

McBride was .160 (4-for-25) and .300 OBP vs. lefties this season, but .294/.467 by righties (all those walks early on).

For his career, Ledezma’s allowed an alarming .293 average (95-for-324) by lefties, .278 by righties.

In other words, he’s obviously more suited for middle relief or starting than situational lefty work. What good would a situational lefty be if he didn’t get lefties out?

I think the Braves are projecting him as a starter, though Schuerholz would only say that was an option that made him attractive, and that for now, and presumably this season, he’ll be in the ‘pen.

By N8

June 20, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

“It’s a slow, methodical elevator ride from the press box down to the locker room downstairs and back.”

Wow. Turner Field needs to get with 2000’s. My local sports/concert venue has an elevator that goes super fast. Faster than the drive through bank cylinders.

Wooooosh!

BTW, chop chop I WAS responding to you, but the majority of that last post was directed at 10 Paul as well.

:-)

By Rhett Butler

June 20, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

DOB, Do you know if Willie has ever played center field and if so any idea about stats? Also do you have any idea what the final hitting line-up is going to look like? Chipper or Frank or B-can as clean up?

What do you think the bigger implications of Willie playing center tonight will be? If Andrew is gone next year has there been any discussion of Willie taking his place.

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Okay…so I know “its only a business” but on paper- it seems everyone is being a bit harsh in their criticism of McBride. I mean. Truly. Did JS have to give him a swift kick in the A#@ on his way out the door???

By fastasballs

June 20, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

ernesto Great post, I needed a good laugh.

Finally Cox is going to sit Andruw, I hope they light up the scoreboard without him & Willie has a good defensive game.

Is it normal to hold a press conference when a couple of second tier bullpen guys are traded?

I do recall Cox acting abnormally p** with McBride that night, must have just been the icing on the cake. We never really know what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe Cox found out McBride was posting to the blog under the name of Robert? Who knew?

By SaltyWoody

June 20, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

nc Being a relative newcomer to the blog, I know nothing of tennpaul’s legacy…and, so, wasn’t able to catch the sarcasm.

I apologize and could have used the emoticons.

In fact, I’d like an emoticon to describe the McBride trade. Something like this:

8-X

You know, to express “Kiss him goodbye.”

By Marty

June 20, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

Speaking of sarcasm, Dave’s last post made me laugh out loud.

But really, I don’t understand why it is so difficult for people to understand that ANDRUW IS NOT GOING TO BE TRADED THIS SEASON. He can veto any possible trade, and he has said at least a half dozen times in the last year or so that he would do so. He will be a Brave for the remainder of the season, and, barring injury, he will be in the lineup more often than not. The good news is that it’s pretty likely that Andruw will pick up the pace by the end of July.

By N8

June 20, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

DOB

“In other words, he’s obviously more suited for middle relief or starting than situational lefty work. What good would a situational lefty be if he didn’t get lefties out?”

Totally agree with you, DOB. Have you ever thought of posing that question to Bobby? See: Mike Remlinger.

By ncscoots

June 20, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

Salty, no sweat. TPaul’s weird, anyway.

See, now THAT probably needs an emoticon! LOL

By Vonshawn

June 20, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

Well, I have to admit that I’m quite happy that AJ is sitting down for a while. We might miss his defense in center, but that bat of his has just gone ICE cold. And Willie should do fine out there.

Now, if someone could just pull Franceour to the side and have him be more selective at the plate, we might actually have a formidable lineup.

By TennesseePaul

June 20, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

N8: So, now am I supposed to be impressed? :-) (wink, wink)

By woogidy

June 20, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

Rich Harden coming off the DL soon, What do we think of this guy for Escobar?

By Ed Glennon

June 20, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this

We should let the new guy from Detroit pitch against Andruw on Friday before the game so he can build his confidence. After all if you can’t get Andruw out you can’t get anybody out.

By Lew

June 20, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

Nathan-You’ve perfected teleportation, Dude! I knew all that medication would yield results.

By MBATL

June 20, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

decomposing … indeed.

A good shot for Diaz tonight, to continue his climb toward being considered a legitimate major league OF. Saw a report on some sabersite the other day, indicating that (statistically) his defense is actually 3rd in the major leagues among LF (there aren’t many great LF, I guess)… hope he can get a couple of hits off a RH pitcher.

By fastasballs

June 20, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

I’ve been shafted by the AJC! When I looked this morning I was the T-Shirt slogan of the day. I looked a minute ago & I’ve been replaced. I demand an investigation, lol.

Are we having co-T-Shirts of the day? Oh well, my few hours of fame was fleeting….

By Shaun

June 20, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Here’s an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal about Bill James:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110010232

By Jeff321

June 20, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Its all pretty simple, folks. Just ask Andrew Jones/his agent where he’d like to be traded. If he says, “nowhere” then I guess we’re out of luck…Otherwise, get some decent players for him. Andrews’ contributed quite a bit to the Braves in the past.. but last time I checked, this season is the one were trying to win. I saw more out of Salty in that long at bat in Boston than Andrew all YEAR! He’s not capable of working the count (anymore) and I’m not going to use his superior defense as an excuse for his paltry offense.

By OVERLORD

June 20, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

has anyone heard any comment on how is chippers hand feeling? i know u could say his batting might give me the answer, but we all know chipper has hit good even when injuried in the past.

By Chop Chop

June 20, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

N8,

If I hadn’t looked up Andruw’s stats before posting anything, you could use numbers to whack me over the head with. I agree with you that Andruw won’t hit his career marks this year. Does that make you feel better? In fact, I’m predicting a .245, 32 HR, 105 RBI season for Andruw. I was just bringing up the fact that there’s another well-known slugger (Sexson) in the same boat as Andruw. Anyway, I just found it strange that you felt the need to go out of your way to refute a comment that wasn’t actually offering up anything interesting (e.g., served your purposes) for you to refute. I would rather you compare Sexson’s July-Sept. stats to Andruw’s and make an argument against Andruw putting on a late charge for better numbers. Hey, maybe you could use the argument of the wear and tear on Andruw as opposed to the lack of it on Sexson. You know…something a little more tangible than what you came up with, especially when I pointed out Andruw’s below-average production in the summer months. You were focused solely on Andruw and how the numbers prove that he can’t hit .260 this year. I’m just telling you that the whole point of that my first post on this was to simply make that comparison between Sexson/Andruw and to give my fellow bloggers another player to look at when considering Andruw’s struggles. That’s it.

In order for you to impress me, you’d need to crap human kindness and pi$$ world peace.

:-)

By Chop Chop

June 20, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

And N8, it’s all in good fun.

By ncscoots

June 20, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this

While I agree that AJ can use a couple of days off, I’m probably running against the herd when it comes to his return. I would put him back at cleanup and leave him there.

He’s either going to break out of it or he won’t. If he does, I want him hitting cleanup from the moment he starts coming back. If he doesn’t, well, hitting him 7th won’t much matter: I seriously doubt that the Braves have much postseason hope without his bat producing.

If he starts hitting, maybe McCann and Francoeur will stop pressing. If he doesn’t, they’ll probably continue to press, to no good outcome.

So, sit him tonight, sure. After that, cleanup and let it happen. Or not.

By Lew

June 20, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

Jeff321-Dude, at the trade deadline last season, the Red Sox offered us a rookie pitcher with a lousy record and Coco Crisp. That was when Andruw was in the process of hitting 41HR and knocking in another 125. It wasn’t a good enough deal to pull the trigger then. Exactly what do you think we would be offered now (providing Andruw would agree to a trade-which he won’t), when Andruw is mired in the slump to end all slumps and will be a (we imagine) high priced free agent in 3 months? At this point, we may have gotten as much for McBride as we could for Andruw.

By chrisklob

June 20, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

Rhett, Willie has appeared in CF in 130 games for a total of 206 put outs with three errors.

By SaltyWoody

June 20, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

For as many things as there supposedly are to complain about, how happy can we all be that JD is not on our team anymore?

Imagine having to go through the fiasco with him the Dodgers just did?

And maybe it’s just me…but KJ looks a heck of a lot better hitting leadoff than JD does.

By Drummerdad

June 20, 2007 7:39 PM | Link to this

I’d have to think that McBride has got to be happy. He gets a fresh start with a team that went to WS last year and is tied for 1st right now. The Tigers have a better mindset than the Braves do. The countenance seems to be healthier. As for Schuerholz’s comment about coming out on top, he said the same kind of thing when they had to trade Kevin Millwood for Johnny Estrada. This was a “cut your losses” and start fresh move. He’ll always say something along those lines. Maybe we get a pleasant surprise on this one

DOB wondered why we fans are reacting negatively when our boys are only a game and a half out of first. I know he’s just looking for some optimism, but this team doesn’t give you consistent cause to have confidence in them. Last year was obviously terrible. The front end of this year felt good. Now we’re somewhere between the 2. The confidence level would rise considerably if there was a string of some good series winning, butt kicking by the guys.

By Fred Secunda

June 20, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

I really wish Cox would give Francoeur a night off. He’s not the threatening force in the lineup he was at the beginning of the year and a day’s rest would probably do him good. Anyone think it’s crazy that he hasn’t missed a start in the last year and a half?

By fastasballs

June 20, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

This game is starting well

By SaltyWoody

June 20, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

Buddy Carlyle, man…Buddy Friggin Carlye…

By Alan

June 20, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

LONG,LONG,LONG, OVERDUE!!

By GermanBravesFan

June 20, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

Homerun by JD Drew? oh nooooooooooo!!!!

By Lew

June 20, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

Damn-Coco Crisp is visualizing himself as Ted Williams.

By SteelCav

June 20, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

BALL GAME already. Unbelievable.

By GermanBravesFan

June 20, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

Nice job walking Varitek to pitch to Crisp….

By Chris

June 20, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

DOB I know there is nowhere to “ship him to.” It’s just really frustrating to see somebody who is supposed to be the centerpiece of the offense bat .202 over 2 1/2 months.

And as far as sending a message, it just seems (i havent done all the research to give examples or anything) that anytime the team is struggling we ship out somebody who is not necessarily detrimental to the team. McBride hasn’t been bad. He isn’t even the worse guy the in the ‘pen (anybody else get sick when Paranto comes in?) So it just comes across that we are trying to “mix things up a bit” and sending a hometown guy to Detroit for no apparent reason.

On an entirely new rant….WHY THE HELL ISN’T ESPN SHOWING THIS GAME???????!!!!!! ESPN HD is showing a blank screen and ESPN is showing the stupid ESPNEWS channel interviewing Jake Peavy. There is no physical way that this is a blackout. Anybody else catching this crap?

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 20, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

Horrible start….. What a hole to dig out of, down 5 runs and still to come to bat, who else is available for trades.

By Wayne in Utah

June 20, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

Nice way to start it off. Maybe tonight we will break out some bats and show what we are capable of.

By Drummerdad

June 20, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

To follow up, we’re spoiled from years of unbelievable success. We’re having to get used to a new crew who’s learning.

By Alan

June 20, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

Bobby, it is about time you benched Andruw (Nice-K) Jones.

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this

So…is pitching really that thin right now that the best the Braves can put up is this guy??? He went 8 YEARS inbetween his 1st win and 2nd win. He certainly won’t be closing the gap on his 2nd and 3rd wins tonight! I heard #29 wants to play centerfield for an inning. Put him in, then put AJ into pitch. It can’t get worse.

By Bob, Journalist

June 20, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts,

sarcasm isn’t something you can read, for one thing. For another

I disagree, methinks sarcasm is something you can read one thing for another but on this blog, anyone who can’t should hire someone to do it for them. Oftentimes, both sarcasm and humor are lost when the writer feel obligated to explain things to the reader … some folks might even feel insulted too!

I agree though, it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility that somebody might be redundant once in awhile.

It’s also insulting to find out that Bobby doesn’t read the Blog but listens to Sports Radio!

By The Truth Hurts

June 20, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

N8, sometimes you’re insufferable. Don’t add to it with “if I wanted to impress you, you’d know it.”

Please.

A.J. isn’t hitting .260 this year? Really?

Duh.

Do you want to do the math and figure out what the difference is between a .245 hitter and a .260 hitter is—over the course of a 600AB+ season?

147 hits vs. 156 hits

9 additional hits scattered over a 24 week season…or 1 additional hit about every 3 weeks.

Would you be happy with a .245 A.J.?

How about .230? That’s 138 hits. Or 18 additional hits over a 24 week season, about one extra every week-and-a-half.

There’s a fine line between .260 and .245 or even .230. In fact, it’s a very small line. What needs to be focused on with a cleanup hitter is run production. A.J. isn’t very good at that right now, obviously. Because that comes with either HRs or hitting w/ RISP.

My point is that A.J., at least theoretically, CAN salvage this season. He doesn’t necessarily need to end up at .260 to do so.

By chrisklob

June 20, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

Anybody know what time Boston’s BP is over?

By GermanBravesFan

June 20, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

7-0 in the second inning????

By JasonInMaine

June 20, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

.500 team at best…the guy from detroit may need to start sooner rather than later…wow, this is ugly

By tbo

June 20, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

Of course everyone knows that Cox is an absolute freaking idiot. Nice pitching job Carlyle.

By The Regulator

June 20, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

3 out of our 5 starting pitchers are utter trash

By Carolina Lady

June 20, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

Ernesto - that’s quote of the day! Well done!

By kevin

June 20, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

jbutler: i agree…at this rate, smoltzy will probably hit more line drives than andruw!

…man this team’s getting rocked…

can we ever have a game where the starter doesnt give up ridiculous amount of runs to the point of no return?

no?

yeah…that’s what i thought.

By ernesto

June 20, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

Just awful.

By Wayne in Utah

June 20, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

Chris (and any others who would complain about Paronto) Do you just look at a guys YTD ERA and make negative statements about them?? Paronto started off the year doing well, then hurt his hamstring. When he returned (without a rehab assignment, as Wickman was going on the DL when he returned) he had a string of bad outings in May. For the past 30 days, he has an ERA of 2.63 in 12 games, over 13.2 innings. (look it up!)

Should we castigate the man for the rest of the year, just because he had a bad run after coming back from a hamstring strain?

Pay some attention to what a guy is doing, and don’t listen to all the negative bull thrown around this blog sometimes.

By Fastfoodfreak

June 20, 2007 8:14 PM | Link to this

If it’s any consolation, the Nats almost came back against Detroit after being down 9-1!

By Over Andy

June 20, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

I really wanted to respond in the other blog, but subject has changed so I’ll do it here.

Wonder why some here think the Braves are in real trouble? just watch this game.

Down 5 after one. Down 7 after two. Guess what? Bobby finally has someone up and throwing!

God I hate to agree with Robert, but Bobby gives up if he gets down by 4 or 5 in the first, he always has. He has an off day tomorrow but acts like he’s saving the pen for something. What?

Coming back from 5 would be tough, 7? If I had any sense I would find some really bad sitcom to watch instead of sitting here watching this debacle!

By Stuart

June 20, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

Does anyone think that Macay is laughing right about now. The Buddy “Batting Practice” Carlyle error is over. Of course the bats didnt pickup their pitcher as usual.

DOB, What it up with Lerew, how is his elbow?

By fastasballs

June 20, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

Geez just when I’m all ramped up to watch the game. I can take a loss, but not in the first inning. Kinda takes the fun out of it.

Tavarez sucks, always has & the Braves have hit him well, but not 7 runs worth.

By rotomeister

June 20, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this

Back in the day we made in season trades for Fred McGriff. Now it’s for Wil Ledezma. I’ll say this much — he’ll fit right in at the back of this rotation with that 5.18 career ERA.

By Wayne in Utah

June 20, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this

So…is pitching really that thin right now that the best the Braves can put up is this guy???

The answer is YES!

By N8

June 20, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

Truth Hurts

If you actually had a f’n sense of humor (which I know you must, if you’re a fan of this team), you’d realize that the “If I wanted to…” comment was FRICKIN SARCASM!!!

“Do you want to do the math and figure out what the difference is between a .245 hitter and a .260 hitter is—over the course of a 600AB+ season?”

Good job Einstein. Now go do your homework and tell me how many hits seperate a .260 hitter and a .202 hitter.

Lighten up Francis!

DOB

Buddy Carlyle, huh?

Anybody else out there, rather watch a guy like Harrison, Lerew, or Reyes give up 7 runs in 2 IP, than some 63 year old RH version of Mark Redman?

For a team that supposedly has been the franchise to emulate when it comes to drafting and developing, we sure seem to have a tough time finding a warm body to pitch 3-4 innings of good baseball.

Face it guys. This organization has drafted, developed and seen the benefits of a lengthy career of ONE PITCHER in the last 20 years…..

TOM GLAVINE.

Smoltz? ….not our draft pick.

Avery? …I said “lengthy” career.

Millwood? ….Puleeez

Schmidt? ….Didn’t do much for us, as I recall.

HoRam?…. LOL!

Davies?…..Nice try.

James?….Close. But only time will tell.

Of the 3 best pitchers in ATLANTA Braves history (especially over the “run”), 2 of them came from other organization.

But yeah…..we’re the BEST, when it comes to developing pitchers.

By Steve-O

June 20, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this

Earl Carlyle aint gonna get it done……

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 20, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this

Okay, what else you guys want to talk about tonight? Looks like a blow out as far as the game. For those you you who whine about limited payroll handcuffing the Braves, Baltimore’s payroll is about $95 million and it’s not helping them very much. Washington’s payroll is about $37 million and they have a better record than the Orioles.

By Mark

June 20, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

Buddy Carlisle….meet Lerew, Mcbride, Fat@ss from K.c(REDMAN), and our supposed savor Lance freakin Cormier. You like them are a waste of time. I would like to ad to the list of morons on this team…Badruw, Frenchy, Thorman, Woodward, Orr, Chuck James(every other start of course), Davies, McDowell, and as much as I hate too say it…Terry Pendleton. Oh, and JS for that trade today…what was that?

By Mark

June 20, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

Buddy Carlisle….meet Lerew, Mcbride, Fat@ss from K.c(REDMAN), and our supposed savor Lance freakin Cormier. You like them are a waste of time. I would like to ad to the list of morons on this team…Badruw, Frenchy, Thorman, Woodward, Orr, Chuck James(every other start of course), Davies, McDowell, and as much as I hate too say it…Terry Pendleton. Oh, and JS for that trade today…what was that?

By Homeboy Upstairs' Boss

June 20, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this

McDowell still has yet to help anyone on this staff actually become better pitchers since he’s been here…and if he has, I cant think of who. So why’s he not catching most of the heat for this 2-year trainwreck?

Perlozzo’s out in Baltimore, so there’s Leo’s out to come back here to fix this garbage. The Padres are a daily reminder to those who’ve forgotten how valuable pitching when you have an inept offense…

By tbo

June 20, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this

Ok I won’t talk negatively about the braves starting pitching, Andruw Jones hitting .202, Francouer striking out on outside in the dirt pitches, Bobby Cox’s handling of the pitching staff, or Cox giving up on a game like what we are seeing tonight.

By Coop

June 20, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this

Wow, a 1-2-3 inning…I guess the Red Sox must be feeling sorry for us.

By N8

June 20, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

I wonder how far back through the “archives” ESPN had to dig for that HR swing they’ve been showing of Andruw’s, trying to hype up the Tigers/Braves Sunday night game?

I’m gonna guess 2005.

I’m officially going to refer to Andruw making contact as a “bigfoot sighting”, since one has a better chance of seeing bigfoot.

It’s painfully obvious that Andruw borrowed his Whitesnake collection to Buddy before the game.

YIKES.

By ernesto

June 20, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this

Buddy Carlysle, Mark Redman, (insert AAA pitcher of your choice) Schmidty Von GiveupNine, you name it we’ve trotted out a bunch of retreads and never quite were’s for 2 years now. Don’t we have any good young arms, b/c honestly, they can’t do any worse.

I’ve got a feeling, being down 7, we’re going to make Tavarez look like Cy tonight.

By beki

June 20, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

Tonight’s game sux! We’re behind and snakebitten at the plate. It’s another loss. So be it.

By Daxxed

June 20, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

Well AJ may not be traded, but nothing says he can’t be sent down to get his hitting straightened out.That is if he becomes coachable. If not leave him there, then see what his worth will be after the end. Now I hope it does not come to that, but BC needs to tell him become caochable or become disosable. With AJ out of the line up what is the worse that can happen, we LOOSE.

By Jeff321

June 20, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

Chris — I’m watching the Braves on ESPN via Directv in Florida.

Lew — I wouldn’t expect much for Andrew to tell you the truth. I was just thinking…..maybe the Braves can “cut” Pete Orr and Andrew can take his bench spot… and come into the game for late inning defense.

By Serious Lee

June 20, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this

Buddy is using the ‘rope-a-dope’ approach.

The Sox are now punched-out, so to speak, so it should be a piece of cake from here.

The Braves only need to come up with 8 runs.

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this

Truly - I haven’t been able to watch a Braves game in almost two weeks because of blackouts, or showing “West Coast” games instead. So…ESPN finally puts it on..and I get to see their coach literally give up on the game. Do they get a high draft pick if they get a huge blowout?? Are they now the Celtics??

By Fastfoodfreak

June 20, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

I didn’t have a chance to post this on MB’s blog, because it was closed to posting, but I think he’s being a little harsh. It’s easy to make kneejerk reactions based on what we see. But the fact of the matter is, I’ve been to ATL many times (I’m from TN,) and noticed that there are many there that have moved from other parts of the country. I’ve been a Braves fan all my life, but my true passion is in the fall when SEC football takes the field. Maybe part of the problem is that baseball is a 162 games a year, and the anticipation of each game wears off after awhile. In football, it’s only played once a week, plenty of time to get excited for the next game.
I’m not a sports writer, and not an Atlanta native, so maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about. But I think we need to give Braves fans a break. There are bandwagon fans for every team. And someone made a great point that Braves fans are well traveled as well (I’ve watched games in Houston, Montreal, Washington) where there was a healthy population of Braves fans.
I’ll pose a question here. If there had been interleague play back in the Fulton-County days, when the Braves were beating everybody, and the BoSox came down, would there still have been tens of thousands of BoSox fans? I think there would have been personally

By The Truth Hurts

June 20, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this

N8, buddy, you’re not insufferable? Really?

And the answer is 121 hits for a .202 hitter. Little more than one extra hit per week. For some reason, sarcasm doesn’t translate in your poo-poo posts.

“Lighten up Francis?”

In our little two man play, are you the pot or the kettle?

By teoa

June 20, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this

My initial reaction to the trade is this is setting Bobby up for failure. We all know he won’t pay attention to the stats. Just look at the way he handled Remlinger. All Bobby knows is use lefties against lefties. If you’ve got a lefty that can’t get lefties out, that’s a problem. I hope the transition to starter happens sooner rather than later.

By N8

June 20, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this

That Thorman swing was the difference in the Red Sox and the Braves in a nutshell.

There 1B hits a ball one handed about 30 rows deep in the RF stands.

Our 1B hits a ball one handed about 3 feet shy of the wall.

WTP, aint it cool?

By GermanBravesFan

June 20, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this

Is there a “Mercy Rule” in Major League Baseball? I know college softball has one…

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

June 20, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this

This is awful. I am doing my best to be an optimist but this starting pitching has got to improve and I just don’t see how it can. Salty and Escobar are prime trading pieces but can the Braves really afford to trade either with Chipper and McCann being so fragile? So, DOB, if it looks like the Braves don’t have a shot at making the playoffs, would they consider dumping guys like Hudson, Renteria, and ect.

By beachcomber

June 20, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this

It’s one of those nights when you say go Indians! Go Twins - God, that hurts to say anything positive ending in Twins.

DOB - As always you hit it on the head, the old fashioned change of scenery trade. Was going to mention Mike Remlinger but see that someone beat me to the punch. Go Indians! Go that team playing the Mets!

By Mark

June 20, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Did Cox really just int…walk Ortiz down 7-0-what an idiot.

By GT

June 20, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this

The implication of yesterday’s blog was laughable. This team still has a chance to win the division? Yeah, and we still have a chance to turn Iraq into TomorrowLand.

This team blows.

David O’Brien: instead of harping on the circumstance allowing the Braves to momentarily hang in the race, how about pointing out this team hasn’t had back to back quality starts in about six weeks. That might be just a slight impediment to winning a division… I hope this blog doesn’t own a car, because it would be like letting Stevie Wonder get behind the wheel.

This starting rotation blows. And to claim it is a surprise is even more evidence of having subsisted over the offseason on the Schurholz kool aid.

Kyle Davies has been consistently inconsistent for 2 years. Chuck James put up nice stats last year, but that doesn’t alter the fact they were completely deceptive. He’s a junk ball pitcher without command. Guess what - he was exactly the thing same last year, despite his record. Hudson has found the way back to his subdivision Mediocre Wallows. And who is our #5 starter now? Lerew? Redman? Carlyle? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

“But it can’t be Schurholz’s fault - Hampton got injured in spring training…” A blessing in disguise. You know what Hampton-getting-injured-in-spring-training is also known as? -Clockwork. Counting on Hampton to bolster this rotation even if he was healthy is equivalent to letting Aeroflot perform maintenance on Air Force One.

Its offensive that John Smoltz has to sit on the same bench with such losers.

By ernesto

June 20, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this

Buddy “Korea, Japan, 7 organizations for a reason” Carlysle.

Wow, that was fugly.

It’s just one game, but man we’ve been saying that a lot lately. Phils in second tomorrow? C’mon Cleveland. Let’s go Twinkies.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 20, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

I seem to remember a packed house when Baltimore played in Atlanta too. Was that just to see Cal Ripken?

By N8

June 20, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Truth Hurts

Is your last name Jones? Cox, or is it hyphenated?

I get that the batting average difference doesn’t ammount to as many hits as one would think.

HOWEVER, when that guy “not getting” the one extra hit per week, is you 14 million dollar SUPERSTAR (allegedly), that happens to be in the middle of your order, it MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

Try and deny that if Andruw had “1 more” hit per week, with all the times he has killed rallies, or allowed one NOT TO START, if we’d have a few more wins.

Make no mistake, his lack of production, and Chipper’s injury, are just as much to blame as our HORRIBLE starting pitching. Which btw, if you take Smoltz and Hudson’s stats out of the mix, have combined for a 5.95 ERA (which I’m guessing went UP tonight).

The main difference between Andruw and Chipper, is that Chipper couldn’t help getting hurt. Andruw’s lack of concern and (or) ability to adjust is ALL HIS FAULT.

DOB

Ever notice how right about the time you predict that a “sweep” is possible or that the Braves are “far” from out of the race, the get their a*******es completely handed to them?

STOP IT!!! :-)

By Bob, Journalist

June 20, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

I just did a spread sheet and, to my amazement, the idiots and those who call others idiots are the same folks!

It’s comforting to know that those who so do know what they’re talking about.

Of course, I didn’t include those saying “Your and Idiot” cause I didn’t know what it meant.

Jersey Gil, everybody’s got to be somewhere all the time … can you think of a better place to be?

If you took the time to read all that I wrote, you need to get a life!

If you’re as old as you suggest, I’ll make a special effort to read your posts … but please don’t post your picture.

Congratulations Jason! I thought I had broken the camera!

Regards,

Bob

By The Grinch

June 20, 2007 8:48 PM | Link to this

I love this one. I step through the door with a 12 pack of St Pauli Girl Dark and a pizza, hit the remote, and the first thing I see is Papi rumblin’ around the bases, 7-0 in the 2nd. What’s up with McDowell making the pitching change? Bobby throw a shoe? (that was for you, Robert). :-) The smiley face was for all you unsarcastic folks tonight.

Wayne, Paranto’s recovered already from the groin pull, and you’re still talking about castigating him? Remind me not to put you in charge of my horses!

By Braveheart

June 20, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

Does McDowell coach any of these pitchers? Or does he and Terry Pendelton just reenact September 11, 1987 everyday for the pitchers over and over and over again so that his pitchers understand how to get torched?

By Heath

June 20, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

Embarrassing….just embarrassing.

By Time to Panic

June 20, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

Time to panic! We have a team with only two decent starting pitchers, a struggling center and right fielder, and a bunch of other streaky position players. If things don’t improve soon here or if the Mets get hot, the party’s over for a second straight year in Atlanta. With the strength of the NL West, the wildcard will surely not fall to Atlanta.

By The Truth Hurts

June 20, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

And N8, my original point still stands. Batting average is less important in the 4 hole than run production. AJ doesn’t need to hit .260 to get the job done. Einstein.

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

I know this will come as a shock to Braves fans, but J.D. Drew left the game with tightness in a quadriceps.

By Leonardo

June 20, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this

How prescient of Mr. O’Brien to choose for today’s lyric: “POOR, POOR PITIFUL ME”

Poor, poor pitiful Braves.

By Wayne in Utah

June 20, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

The Braves win a few games, and everybody gets all excited, then we get trashed in the first innings, and all the doom and gloomers come out again.

I don’t think Buddy Carlyle is the answer either, but he was doing OK before tonight. Maybe it’s Lerew, maybe Cormier. I would certainly think that as bad as the 4-5 positions have been, if management had thought guys like Smith (doing poorly in AAA), Reyes or Harrison were ready, they would be here.

Eventually, it might get bad enough to bring those guys up. Did you ever think that by leaving them down in Mississippi, that it ensures that their trade value does not decrease, by them coming up and falling on their faces.

Let’s not get too excited about one game folks!

By N8

June 20, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

DOB

Daxxed earlier stated:

“Well AJ may not be traded, but nothing says he can’t be sent down to get his hitting straightened out.”

I guess that begs the question. Does Andruw have “options” left?

Before you freak out, I realize that there is less chance of him getting sent down, than there is of him actually hitting at any point during this season.

But It’s just one more available option (no pun intended), that JS and Cox could have at their disposal.

GREAT!! With a 7-0 game, I guess now ESPN (King of hypocricy), is going to cut away to show Sammy Sosa attempt to hit #600.

Zippity Fricking DOO DA! Who cares? You wanna show something exciting? Show some bootleg footage of him shooting some steroids in his butt. I’d watch that. Show him getting grilled in front of the grand jury. THAT would be entertainment.

Between that and Fox switching over to show Barroid “attempt” to move “1 closer” to Hank. Go shove your HR’s up your hypocritical a*******es.

By ernesto

June 20, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

Watching the Red Sox throng celebrate in the Ted I can only iamgine one group of people who feel worse tonight…those who ponied up the dough to run commercials for this game…hope your demographic is Chowdah nation b/c everyone else is starting to look for the remote.

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this

Grinch, Cox’s back/neck spasms were so bad this afternoon, he didn’t even talk to reporters about the trade or benching Andruw. He was in his office, door closed, until the clubhouse was closed shortly before the game. That’s why he didn’t come out for the pitching change.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 20, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Grinch Two zingers in one post… Outstanding….. Must be the phase of the moon.

By GermanBravesFan

June 20, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Grinch! Thank god to brought home a twelve-pack because you will need it!

Anybody remember Tavarez sitting in the dugout after Game 6 in 1995, crying like a little baby? Oh, how times have changed….

By N8

June 20, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

Truth Hurts Cox-Jones

“Batting average is less important in the 4 hole than run production. AJ doesn’t need to hit .260 to get the job done. Einstein.”

So go ahea. Just admit it. You are by default of what your posts have stated, stating that you think Andruw is having a “productive” season.

Unreal.

The truth apparently does hurt you, doesn’t it?

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 20, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

Somehow Joe and Jon on Fox remind me of the two guys on the Sonic commercials…

By JasonInMaine

June 20, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

This is a micrcosm of our season…absolutely awful pitching from the backend of the rotation and the offense making another #5 starter look like Cy Young…

(Sigh)

Too many holes to be a true WS contender (like spots 3,4,5 in the rotation)

By brewdawg

June 20, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

Minnesota 4-2 top 6. Still a long way to go ( in our game and theirs ), but assuming things stay the same, there is no way we can keep losing as often as we are and keep pace with the Mets. They are a LOT better than they are showing. Now, I think we are too, but again- and i hate to keep pointing out the obvious- we HAVE to start playing better.

By ernesto

June 20, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

Leave it to DL Drew to leave the game b/c he hit a HR and a double….”so much running…medic!!!!”

By Fastfoodfreak

June 20, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

I’m with Wayne…

The bullpen has certainly improved this year, and we’re still over .500 (don’t believe we were at this point last year). This team is getting better. Maybe, just maybe, the BoSox is JUST THAT GOOD!!!

By Bob, Journalist

June 20, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

Would Bobby please put Andruw in the game? What’s he thinking about?!

Robert, don’t spoil things … develop an normaalization algorithm instead … well written, mon ami.

When folks ask you about Robert Cox, you can always reply “No, we’re not related … who’s he?” and let it go at that. Don’t you get tired of all this talk about Bobby? You’d think that people could think of something else to talk about.

No response required … please!

By Over Andy

June 20, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this

ATTENTION BRAVES OFFENSE! ATTENTION BRAVES OFFENSE!

Josh Beckett pitched last night, This is Julian Tavares. You know, the guy who has been around everywhere? The guy who is a journeyman? The guy who isn’t Josh Beckett or Jake Peavy or anyone like that?

By The Truth Hurts

June 20, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

Yes, N8, I watch as much as you…I’m not defending AJ’s last 70 games (at the plate). I am, however, and I did, state that AJ’s season is still salvageable even given his horrid start. Will he hit .280, N8? No.

Does he need to? No.

We are 2 games out of first (after tonight’s result). AJ has been abysmal. But, things are not lost, even if he turns it up to become a .240 end-of-year hitter.

Don’t miss the forest for the trees. The problem with this team begins and ends with starting pitching. You even said it yourself. I’ve been harping on the same point for 6 weeks now.

You keep going back and forth, wasting your time w/ Robert and the others on Cox or AJ or Frenchy’s decline or McCann’s injury. That’s fine. It occupies some time. But, in the end, we’ll all look back and say, “what was up with that staff?” We won’t remember Frenchy or McCann…and AJ will be remembered only so long as he maintains this start. What will be remembered is the inability to consistently win..i.e. 10 for 12….with Smoltz and Dolts.

Just make the playoffs, N8, my man. Just make the playoffs. We of all people know that the best team doesn’t always win once you arrive.

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

Anyone notice how Francoeur’s back to swinging at the first pitch most at-bats again, after getting away from that earlier this season?

I think when he slumps, he reverts to being overaggressive and trying to muscle his way out of a slump by doing what comes natural _ swing hard.

He’s back above 49 percent of first-pitch swings again, right where he was the last couple years when he led the NL.

And since going 8-for-15 with two doubles, a homer and four RBIs in that three-game, two-day binge at Boston May 19-20, he’s 24-for-110 (.218) with just ONE HOMER, five doubles, 12 RBIs and a .256 OBP in his past 28 games before tonight.

Yikes.

By N8

June 20, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Wayne

“Let’s not get too excited about one game folks!”

I’m not. It’s the 34 (35 after tonight) losses in 72 (73) games, that has me all excited. :-)

By tbo

June 20, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Is this the last year of Boob-y? I am so tired of seeing that ugly frown on his face when his team selfdestructs. Of course its not all his fault that this team sux, but he certainly contributes to it.

We are stinging the ball tonight aren’t we? No runs last night and none tonight.

By JasonInMaine

June 20, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this

brewdog,

We are playing as good as this team is capable of…this is a .500 team…we need PITCHING and the cat from Detroit isn’t the answer!!!

By GermanBravesFan

June 20, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this

It could be worse - anyone see the Dodgers’ score? OUCH!!!

By Fastfoodfreak

June 20, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

12-0 Jays over Dodgers! It can always be worse!

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

Maybe Cox will let Carlyle throw BP before Friday’s game.It might wake up the bats.

By Heath

June 20, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Didn’t Oscar do well starting last year?…He seems like a viable option again this year, in lieu of these other guys. What is the harm in having him try? He seems to do a pretty good job.

By Over Andy

June 20, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Bobby not have a take sign for Francouer?

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

N8, that’d be great _ send him to Richmond, where he could buy them a new stadium. He’d still be making $13.5 mill if they sent him to Richmond, by the way.

And by the way, can’t send him a veteran with that service time down without his approval.

So no, it’s not an “option” the Braves have at their disposal. In fact, let’s be clear: They have no options. Play him or don’t play him. Those are their options.

By A-ville Ranger

June 20, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Man they’re beat’n um like rags,steal’n their fans.The Braves players better watch their girl friends and wives or they’ll be shacked up in Boston.

By Braveheart

June 20, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Jersey Gil, Bob is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. He also knows when you have been sleeping and when you have been bad or good, so be good for goodness sakes. Bob is God. Subtract the double Bs from the G and the D and add the differences together, and the number 7 appears, revealing that God has disguised himself with the code name Bob. Bob is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Bob can be all things to all people and be in all places all the time. Ye of little faith.

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

And Oscar isn’t our 5th starter….WHY?

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

I’m trying to not get down. I watched the first inning of the game w/my kids…I made them leave. I decided they were too young to watch a horror movie. I wrote part of my thesis, took a nap - and apparently the only thing that I truly missed since watching the BoSox punch out 7 runs is Bobby’s neck spasms. I think I’m going to go drink Draino.

By h_charles

June 20, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

PLEASE get us some starting pitching!! This team will go nowhere without a real arm in the 3 spot.

DOB — since you are such the stat guy, how about posting how many runs our esteemed leadoff hitter KJ has scored in the first inning. As good has his numbers are, he never seems to score in the first, which is what you want your leadoff hitter to do. After all, he doesn’t really leadoff any inning but the first. My guess is his run scoring in the first is pretty dismal. I think I can count on one hand how many first inning runs the Bravos have scored since April. 1st inning runs set the tone for the whole game, and can make a huge difference in how your pitcher pitches. I think the Braves are really suffering from falling behind early. If KJ could find a way to cross the plate in the first a couple of times a week it would be a big boost.

By JasonInMaine

June 20, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

Seriously, we can’t hit Tavares??? Wow!!

By N8

June 20, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

Truth

“Just make the playoffs, N8, my man. Just make the playoffs. We of all people know that the best team doesn’t always win once you arrive.”

I hear you. If (BIG IF) somehow or another we get there, AND BOTH Smoltz and Hudson are healthy, we’ve got as good a shot as anybody.

I said it last week, and I’ll say it again. We NEED to win the division, IMO, to make the playoffs. The Dodgers, Padres, and Diamondbacks, have better pitching than us, the Phillies, and Mets. So, if I had to guess, I think the wild card is coming out of the West in the NL, this year.

I know after tonight all of the people will say: “Look, the Mets lost (currently losing), and the Phils lost (Indians just took the lead), so tonight is just another case of treading water, we’re *STILL only 1.5 games out of first.”*

I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t comfort me. It’s similar to going to a resaraunt for Prime Rib, only to have the waiter bring out an entree that’s steaming, but not from being on the grill. Then you proceed to tell your spouse: “Hey, it’s not what we had in mind, but at least we’re not gonna go hungry, we’re STILL alive.”

Silly analogy? Sure. But if you (not just you, anybody) feel good about this team, because “at any moment” Andruw and the entire team, is gonna break out.

I’ll remind you……Everybody was saying the same thing last year about the bullpen.

If this team doesn’t step up and take advantage of the Mets and their gazillion dollar payroll struggling right now, they don’t deserve to play in October.

Is it only June? Yup. But last June is still fresh in my memory, so forgive me for NOT trusting them (or JS) to step up and do anything about it.

By JasonInMaine

June 20, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Can someone tell Thor that there is no such thing as a 7 run homer?

By Fastfoodfreak

June 20, 2007 9:25 PM | Link to this

I say Bobby should let Oscar start. Why not? I don’t know how many innings he could go, but we have a better bullpen this year to support him.

By McCannsCan

June 20, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

Kill me.

By The Grinch

June 20, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

Todd A, because then we don’t have anyone besides Moylan to come in and give a quality start after the 5th starter gives up 5-8 in the 1st. Duh. Yes, that was also a sarcastic post; I don’t want to wind up like 10Paul tonight.

German Braves Fan, I keep thinking if I drink enough St. Pauli Girl that the girl on the bottle will show up and be my personal companion/slave. What could possibly be cooler than a hot blonde with big boobs serving you beer all the time (don’t answer; this is a family blog). It would certainly ease the pain of watching this team. Go Pete Orr!

DOB: Cox confined to the bench, Munson, unable to sit comfortably in his recliner…my god, we’re all going to get old one day, aren’t we? (crack…hiss…glug-glug-glug)

By N8

June 20, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

DOB

“And by the way, can’t send him a veteran with that service time down without his approval.”

That was all I was asking. If it was a viable option. NOT whether they’d actually do it. God forbid, let somebody work out their “struggles and bad habits” in games that don’t actually matter.

Isn’t that what the minor leagues are for? Developing, and rehab?

If teams can’t send struggling players down to work out their issues, why do they send them on rehab assignments, when coming off of injuries?

Is there really any difference between letting a hitter get his timing “back” after an injury, as opposed to a player that has NO CLUE where his timing has been for 3 months, figuring it out at the ML level, where the games and AB’s count.

Believe me. I know they would NEVER do it. JS or Bobby wouldn’t have the balls to do it.

By Pollyanna

June 20, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

This team will be fine! We’re only 1.5 back and the Mets are losing! We all know that the Mets are going to keep losing like this all year long! All we have to do is get a little better and win a few more games. Don’t worry that even with the Mets losing 15 or 20, we still haven’t caught them. Also don’t worry that we keep falling farther back in the Wild Card in case we don’t catch the Mets.

Our pitching is good, just having some tough luck. Our offense is good, just having some tough luck.

Our GM is going to help us get better! Just look at the move he made today! Brilliant!

You bandwagon people will be eating crow in September when we smash the competion and our luck changes!

By JasonInMaine

June 20, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

Manny hit a HOUR before I could even call it!

By rotomeister

June 20, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

Think our CF who is “not a RF hitter” could take some batting lessons from the Boston LF who hits the ball to right field with authority!

By McCannsCan

June 20, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Kill me. (Andruw get your swing back!)

By McCannsCan

June 20, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Kill me. (Andruw get your swing back!)

By McCannsCan

June 20, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

Kill me. (Andruw get your swing back!)

By Braveheart

June 20, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?!?!?!

This game was over before it started. Anyone wanna start breaking down how the SEC looks this year?

Sometimes back and neck pain from the whiplash caused by a violent accident can show up months later. Do we blame Bobby’s pain today on the whiplash he experience watching Redman and Cormier pitch weeks ago? Robert is probably going to say that one of his fat relievers decided to go for a donkey ride last night and cause bodily harm to Eeyore. Whatever.

Villereal needs to start already.

By OVERLORD

June 20, 2007 9:33 PM | Link to this

i dont know about u guys but lst years felt bad but this year has been a complete frustration and humiliation….. cant describe it. so many ups and downs, of course the downs been so much frequent and louder. and js waists our time with some dumb trade, what it this about???? im starting to feel that this is like some rockies, rangers, rays or royals organization which comes to play year in and year out just for the heck of it

By rotomeister

June 20, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

Is that Josh Beckett on the mound again tonight? The only runs we’ve scored in the home park were against Schilling and his shoulder wasn’t right. The home slump continues. We are making Tavarez look awesome and that’s not a word that we usually associate with Julian.

By Stuart

June 20, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

I would love to see Oscar be a starter. He is a better pitcher as a starter. He looks like he tries to throw the ball through the mitt when he pitches in relief. He uses all his pitches too. It cannot get any worse.

BTW, it would be nice if for once, the bats would pick up the pitchers for once. Only twice since the series at colorado have the bats really bailed out the pitching. I wonder if that hurting the staff because maybe they feel like they have to be perfect every night.

The bottom line is this team doesn’t look like it is going to have another big run in them. They play great for two or 3 days in a row and then look real bad because the SPs are inconsistent and then the lineup is full of holes in the middle. This week was a perfect example of that. They looked fine in Cleveland and then on Monday, then they pull this junk the last two nights.

When you have a lineup that doesnt make consistent contact or speed, you cant put big innings and crooked numbers up. Two many GDP and K out of the lineup. Inconsistent SP means you cannot carry momentum from game to game and taxes the bully, and that is a bad combo.

Hudson is another one that is driving me up the wall. I dont think he is tough enough. I hate saying that, but all I hear on TV is how much better Hudson’s record should be. Hudson is the one that came out of the twins game with a crink in the neck. Hudson is the one who loaded the bases in the ninth in Fla. He is the one that gave up 4 in the 1st against the cubs.

Stats dont lie. Just like the Braves, a pitchers record is how good he is. The braves are about a .500 team and Huddy is about a .500 pitcher. Carlyle is a AAAA pitcher at best, as is Cormier and Davies right now. Andruw sucks, Frenchy and McCann do not have a clue right now and quite frankly the bullpen has only been above average.

Maybe it will turn around.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 20, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

After much reflection, I have come to a realization that Boston has done this to other teams too. They just pound you to death.

As bad as it seems, it is still better than last year. The Braves have just have narrowed this down to an 80 game season. I wish I could give you a good scouting report on the available arms in Richmond but they are out of town.

By Pollyanna

June 20, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

What a great pitcher Tavarez is! We have a good offense, just bad luck that we caught another great pitcher tonight.

By Braveheart

June 20, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

DOB, can you please go down to the dugout and get all Shawshank on them and tell them to either Get Busy Living Or Get Busy Dying!

It looks right now like they have gotten all institutionalized and have lost the will to live, never mind the will to fight for the right to live.

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

Hey Grinch…the trick to keeping it a family blog is to mute your beer-swilled comments before the St. Pauli Girl pops out of your mouth. Not after. But…since we’re looking at replacement players for this squad..I hear Pacman Jones is free for awhile. And possibly Michael Vick. He wouldn’t have a far drive. If we’re going to make this team the TB Rays…lets have at it!

By chrisklob

June 20, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

John Thomson was released by the Blue Jays today. Any chance JS tries to pick him up to “bolster” our rotation? :-)

By Bob, Journalist

June 20, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

Gil in Mechanicsville,

Have you ever noticed that Joe and Jon are a lot like the two guys on the Sonic commercials?

I think it’s a barter thing …

By Pollyanna

June 20, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

What a great move by Cox! He intentionally left Buddy Carlyle out there as long as he did so the Braves could get way behind. Now he can get Edgar and Chipper some rest.

See, Bobby is a genius!

By A-ville Ranger

June 20, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

jbutler good line about your kids.Few things are scarier than getting massacred by a bunch of bloody (sock) chowder heads.

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this

Well…the good news is,it’s only 72 days before UGA-Okla St.

By Stuart

June 20, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

I am depressed. My team is getting beat. UC Irvine doesnt look like they have another miracle in them. Oh well.

BTW, I wouldnt mind running John Thomson out there again, cant be any worse.

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry boys,the Tanyan Sturtze watch begins next month.There is hope.

By JJMB

June 20, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

Have any of you ever checked out, or posted on the braves usenet group? alt.sports.baseball.atlanta-braves

It isn’t used much these days, but it was the vanguard of the current discussion groups.

Unmoderated free-for-all, it was/is. I was wondering if there were any old-timers from that group posting here.

By N8

June 20, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

Stuart

I ALMOST agreed with every bit of your post, except for this last line:

“…and quite frankly the bullpen has only been above average.”

Actually the bullpen is the ONLY part of this team that has any consistancy to it, and they happen to be ranked #3 in the NL. Which completely proves he opposite of that comment.

Of course when the possible best option for your 5th starter spot is putting in 6-10 good innings a week COVERING FOR THE 4th and 5th STARTERS WHEN THEY GET HAMMERED! That will “help” your bullpen ERA.

It doesn’t matter how good (or bad) this bullpen is, or gets. The starters are not good enough to get us to the point, to utilize the “strength” of our team. The games are usually LONG GONE by the time, their ability comes into play. Similar to the post-seasons when Smoltz was the closer.

Too little, too late.

Maybe when the 4th and 5th guys are “scheduled” to start, Wickman should pitch the 1st, Soriano the 2nd, and Yates the 3rd. That way, we would be in the game for at least 3 innings of the contest. Only half joking on that one.

Side note: Going on 18 innings without scoring a run for this offense.

Thank god, Schillings shoulder is shot, or we mighta got shutout for all 27 innings of the game.

You gotta love Bobby bringin in Soriano in an 8-0 game.

You wouldn’t wanna fricking get Devine some work in a meaningless game. Or would making that decision, hurt his back more?

Unreal.

By Stuart

June 20, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

Not to be gloomy, but boy Soriano has given up some rockets lately. That is the last thing we need.

By HEAVEN

June 20, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

dob always mentions how soriano gives up runs in blow outs…. tonight hes adding to the mystique

By JasonInMaine

June 20, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

Okay, Bobby is resting all of the regulars, but he brings in Soriano…can someone tell me why, please?

By A-ville Ranger

June 20, 2007 9:59 PM | Link to this

I’ll give Harris a nod for style on that catch.Andruw makes that one look easy though.While I’m giving credit,that homer by Ramirez was on a good pitch by Moylan.I don’t know how many players could homer off that pitch.I’m sure you could count them on one hand though.Why in the wide,wide,world of sports would you have Soriano in now ? knowing how bad his concentration is in these type games.

By Pollyanna

June 20, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this

I’m sure Bobby has a reason for bringing Soriano in with the game out of hand. His numbers were getting too low and Bobby wanted to give him a boost by letting him pitch in a situation that he never performs well.

I bet Soriano is thanking Bobby as we speak :)

By HP

June 20, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this

Somebody make Bobby Cox understand that Rafael Soriano does not need to pitch in blow out ball games. This is just plain out stupidity.

By N8

June 20, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this

Uh…..yeah.

I think Willie Harris is MORE than capable of playing CF.

Buh bye K-Druw.

By N8

June 20, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this

chrisklob

“John Thomson was released by the Blue Jays today. Any chance JS tries to pick him up to “bolster” our rotation? :-)”

LOVE IT! Nice call. Time to dust off the old #52 jersey. LOL!

On a side note, nice that Francoeur waits until the game is 11-0 for him to actually TAKE 2 PITCHES at the beginning of the AB. Oh, whaddya know? It worked, base hit.

Anybody up for 7 runs in the last 2 innings, to make the homers think our offense “ISN’T the problem?

This has meaningless hits/RBI’s written all over it.

By Tomahawkin' Again

June 20, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Simply outclassed the last 2 nights; can’t wait for us to get out of this stinkin’ interleague play; just not good enough to compete night in, night out with the AL as the Braves are currently set-up; if we can sneak one this weekend away from the Tigers, this Braves fan will consider it mission accomplished.

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

Okay, Bobby is resting all of the regulars, but he brings in Soriano…can someone tell me why, please?

Because thinking isn’t Bobby’s strong suit.

By MBATL

June 20, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

Pollyanna, etc: Soriano hasn’t pitched since Saturday, and we’re off tomorrow. No harm in bringing him in to help finish out a game. I’m kinda’ annoyed that he can’t seem to be bothered with pitching well unless the game is on the line, but that’s the least of our concerns right now.

Anyway, using Soriano tonight was not a stupid move.

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

That’s it. The Braves should be put on life support for their game tonight. Next time Dr. Cox comes to the mound for a pitching change (assuming his neck doesn’t snap in 1/2) then he should bring out the cardiac paddles. Maybe a few zaps will shock some life into the team. How pitiful that they are unable to capitalize on the Mets woes!! The only reason they are even remotely in this is because the Mets have bellied up just as much as the Braves. But - wait. Now that McBride has cleared out his locker…..Hmm.. Nope. Nevermind. Next game I will be able to see here is in 2 weeks!! Great game. Kind of makes me look forward to finishing my thesis!!!1

By Over Andy

June 20, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

Look above at some who just posted before Soriano came in.

These guys aren’t professionals, they are fans. Pretty bad when the fans even know that you don’t bring Soriano in game like this.

So you got him some work, what else did you get? A guy who may lose a little confidence? A guy who gets to watch his numbers rise? A guy who gets to have that bad taste in his mouth for a couple of days until the next game?

I repeat, the bloggers here called it! Why couldn’t Bobby? Why is Devine here?

Bobby should be the good cop and cheerleader, but they should hire a bad cop to make the real decisions.

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

How often has that happened the last 3 weeks?The 1st two runners of the inning reach base,then we go down 1-2-3.Amazing.

By Bob, Journalist

June 20, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

(don’t answer; this is a family blog) looks like I’m going to have to revisit the spreadsheet, I left one out.

William Wallace, blasphemy is not permitted in these environs … of course, if it’s true then you’re forgiven!

Speaking of little faith, the Carlyle band has stopped playing and the wagon seems empty, except for the hay and the horse is making fast work of that!

Me, I still think he’s pretty good!

By Stuart

June 20, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

The braves are too slow and strike out WAY too much.

I hate to say but the reason Willie had to stab the catch he made was because he took a REALLY bad route to the ball. He charged in too hard and it almost got over his head. I dont think the braves are ready for him to be the everyday CF.

This team is really bad. Has anyone else noticed that they get blown out alot. They have lost their fair share of close ones, but dang they get beat bad ALOT.

By Braveheart

June 20, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

Mets Lose!

MAGIC NUMBER IS 93!

By chrisklob

June 20, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

N8, our bullpen has definitely been the strength of this team. Certainly the most consistent aspect of it. At this point, my biggest concern is the effect of all the innings they have had to throw covering for the sketchy starting pitching we’ve endured this year. At some point they’re going to blow up too.

Do you know where the Braves bullpen stands in relation to innings pitched/appearances/whatever against the other contending teams? Are they on some crazy pace or is that just my imagination? I can’t help but feel that this is going to come back to bite us in August and September when those guys arms are really worn out. If we’re not out of the race before then, we’ll certainly be out when our bullpen breaks down.

By Stuart

June 20, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Devine has sick stuff. I wish he would get right and get up here for good.

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

Only thing this game is lacking at this point is one of Devine’s patented grand slam pitches.

By Coop

June 20, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

With the exception of a couple guys on this team (e.g. Harris, Smoltz and maybe Chipper), I can honestly say that the Braves have NO heart.

So what, you get down big early. Have enough pride and respect for the game to give it your best effort and try and put some runs on the board.

Everytime and I do mean everytime this team gets down early, you can mark it down that they are not going to score.

And don’t get me started on the feeble-minded Cox for leaving pitchers in for too long and further hurting the team’s chances to make a game of it.

DOB you can defend Cox all you want, his time has passed. Andruw needs a change of scenery and Franceour needs a swift kick in the tail.

Change the name of the team from the Atlanta Braves to the Wizards of Oz - a team in search of a brain (Cox); a heart (the offense); and courage (pitching staff).

By Fastfoodfreak

June 20, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

It’s going so bad I think some of the Red Sox fans even left early!

By N8

June 20, 2007 10:28 PM | Link to this

Well, take it for what it’s worth. We’re 1-1 when andruw doesn’t start. Averaging 7 runs per game.

Of course the only other game he didn’t start, was the the second game of the May 19th doubleheader at Boston, a game we won 14-0.

Aren’t “stats” great?

By Robert

June 20, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

“Maybe Cox found out McBride was posting to the blog under the name of Robert? “

Now THAT was funny.

McBride obviously did something to rile the Big Donk - and history proves that once you are on his bad side, it doesnt matter whether you can play or contribute or what the situation was

Big Donk wants you out, you’re gone

Not much to say about tonight’s game.

Too much Boston, and too much Big Donk - period.

By Stuart

June 20, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

I figured it out, I have found the solution. The Braves need a hug. Manny gives hugs, the Red Sox dance, they look like they like their jobs. I wonder if Atlanta needs some of that. Professionalism be darned. The Red Sox at least look like they have fun. The braves look like they are going to a funeral, not just tonight, but every night.

Maybe it is time for music in the clubhouse, a dance, rally caps or something. The braves are to darn stuffy and tense. THEY ARE PLAYING BASEBALL FOR A LIVING. IT SHOULD BE FUN. IT DOESNT LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE ANY FUN. THEY ARE NEVER LOOSE. THEY LOOK TOO TENSE, JUST FREAKING PLAY QUIT THINKING AND JUST PLAY BRAVOS.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 20, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Gee Robert…. Recognize your prose anywhere…… Hard to hide the accent..

By Fastfoodfreak

June 20, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

As bad as we got beat this series, and then I hear the Tigers have just as potent an offense… going to be another long series!

By mookie

June 20, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this

Well braves fan’s, munson’s bad news and now our home town star being traded, the hell with the braves!! Cox you have just lost a bunch of hard core braves fans!You dogged the man out about being a upgraded 5.15 ERA GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!!! ATL HOME GROWN MY A**. hE IS 24 YEARS OLD I AMIT IT HAS BEEN UP AND DOWN BUT A PITCHER WITH A 5.15 ERA IS A UPGRADE? i WILL NO LONGER ATTEND A BRAVES GAME 9THIS IS A BUISNESS DECISION!!!!

By mike

June 20, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Am I the only person that thinks “Frenchy” is waaaaaay over-rated. Another meaningless hit. Tell me again what he has done. Anyone Anyone. That is what I thougt.

By Fastfoodfreak

June 20, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this

Interesting… I just visited the Cardinals’ blog just to read up and see how their fans are responding… you sure wouldn’t think they won the WS last year!

By Pollyanna

June 20, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

Yes, thats it! A hug! This team needs a hug! Someone needs to let them know that everything is going to be fine! :)

By Lew

June 20, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this

I’m beginning to have a hard time remaining upbeat and positive here. This is starting to approach absurdity. When the best thing you can say is that the Mets and Phillies lost too, it’s a sad state of affairs. Unless someone starts hitting and we find some starting pitching, I’m going to need to borrow some of Nathan meds.

By Shaun

June 20, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

N8,

Stats combined with good ol’ fashion common sense are great.

By Robert

June 20, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this

“Okay, Bobby is resting all of the regulars, but he brings in Soriano…can someone tell me why, please?”

Cuz he’s an idiot, that’s why

By Drummerdad

June 20, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

Jar Jar Binks: “ouchtime”.

By The Grinch

June 20, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

Thank you kindly for the advice, jtbutler; I’ll keep that in mind. Of course, if I actually had the St. Pauli Girl in my mouth, I wouldn’t be chatting with you blokes.

Willie looks pretty good in center. he’s no Andruw defensively, but he ain’t bad. And methinks he’s swinging a hotter bat. Not saying he should be moved; just saying the future out there may not look as bad as we think.

Devine looked rough at first, but when he settled down he looked downright nasty. Great stuff. Hope he’s not a permanent noodle-head like Davies and can be fixed.

By Ron Roberts

June 20, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

Listen, NCScoots… spare me the snide retorts and just skip my posts, okay? I don’t recall blogging to you in the same “tone” you do to me, and yeah, I AM reading into it. I think I’ll trust that I’m dead-on with it. So just skip my posts and I’ll just start doing the same since you can’t be the least bit civil.

Bob, Journalist.… ya got me. What I MEANT to say was that you can’t always detect sarcasm from the written word. Usually, when it’s well-written, you can note sarcasm, wit, humor, etc., but you’re right, sometimes you can read sarcasm. Good catch, my man.

Todd A. I’ve been wondering the same damned thing about Villareal. Why haven’t we tried him in the rotation? He did fine for us last year, and just comes in under these circumstances and usually holds ‘em right where they are for us.

The only excuse I can fathom is that moving him into the rotation leaves us short a long setup guy. But who cares? Everytime he comes in, we’re already doomed to an L anyhow, so what’s to lose, there? Mop-up guys are a dime-a-dozen, and whether they’re good or bad, chances are the game’s already lost, anyhow; especially with all of our undisciplined free-swingers in the lineup.

Good news, Braves fans… tonight we got stellar CF defense and some offensive production from our CF!! That’s a first since, what, April?

Mets lose. Phillies losing. Where are the Marlins? LOL.

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this

The Braves may be handcuffed with Andruw,but Francoeur certainly isn’t out of options.Maybe a few more long bus rides will get this kid’s attention.

By Richard Simmons

June 20, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

Out of shape, out of shape…those Brave boys need to lose some weight….

By Pollyanna

June 20, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this

MBATL

You’re right about Soriano! There was nothing wrong bringing Soriano in was there? I mean going an extra day without work would be worse than coming into a meaningless game when you’ve been lights out and giving up 3 runs.

Nothing mental about baseball, it’s all physical. Even a bad workout is better than no workout, right MBATL?

By A-ville Ranger

June 20, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this

MBATL I’m not worried about Soriano’s era.I do worry that this could carry over though.That’s why I’d avoid pitching him in these blowouts.

By Todd A

June 20, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts It makes no sense not to give him a shot at it at this point.What do we have to lose?

By George "Boston Brave". Spitz

June 20, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

The issue remains not Andrew Jones but Willie Harris and Matt Diaz. Even on a bad night for the Braves, Willie and Matt had two of the 5 team hits. The previous day against one of the best pitchers in the game, Josh Beckett, Harris went one for three and Diaz drew a walk. That was an on-base percentage of 500. Assuming Andrew Jones make some sort of recovery, it is hard to see him hitting more than 250 while it is difficult to imagine Willie and Matt slumping below 280. Willie is hitting 286 against left-handers and last year Matt was better against righthanders than lefties. Willie has the type of speed required for centerfield and Matt has proven a much better fielder than his reputation from brief appearances at Kansas City. Both have what it takes now to be full time players on a pennant winning National League team.

By dadgum

June 20, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

GLAD ANDRUW IS BENCHED FINALLY!!!! Man Oh Man. When your CF is batting 200 you have problems. BIG PROBLEMS! Cox continues to absolutely trust the underachieving. Glad AJ is tanking. He had his chance in negotiations early on but put his trust in BorASS. Andruw is tanking because he will not negotiate his contract wit teh Braves. His market value has tanked. His defense is while great is not better than many others that can replace him. Andruw has blown it. I will say it because most of you are too timid to say so. I would bench Andruw for the remainder of the year and instill a platoon say Blanco or whomever to patrol CF. Tell BorAASSS. Market Andruw as you must but we wouyld like to have him at say 14 MIL for 3 years. If you can find some team to take him at more go after it DUDE. The Braves will be fine. AJ is nosediving fans. Get over it. It is his fault. He had the opportunity to sign and secure his future. His arrogance will dictate his freefall. Good luck and good rediance or play ball. Andruw always plays like he knows something we don’t. That coy smile belays some unknown scheme. I am tired of it. When you make GAZILLIIONS! you better lay it on the line and Andruw is coming up short in that dept. His days of signing a big contract are disapeearing. Better to sign an extension with the BRAVOS than test FA market. AJ is a loser on the long term market. He should have negotiated a year ago. NOW HE IS TREADING WATER!!!

By Drummerdad

June 20, 2007 10:55 PM | Link to this

Grinch, Long time, no talk. hope everything is well. I think they just about ruined Devine 2 years ago and he’s doing good just to be back at the major league level; especially with the same team.

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this

Hey Grinch…way, way…TMI. I usually like to think of myself as an optimist. But Pollyanna- you’re making me look like Dr. Kevorkian with your “rah rah”. I’m guessing your coaching advice would be to bring the team together on the mound and sing “Koombyah” (spelling….)

By Bob, Journalist

June 20, 2007 11:06 PM | Link to this

David O’B,

Anyone notice how Francoeur’s back to swinging at the first pitch most at-bats again, after getting away from that earlier this season?

No, I can’t say I have. Maybe we should take a pole.

Seriously David, based on your comments, it sounded like Bobby’s back/neck spasms are chronic or at least not new … do you think they’re so bad that he might be forced to go on the DL?

It’s always interesting to see who got hits … Willie, Edgar, Chipper, Jeff and Matt … and Oscar was a hit, not giving up any.

Seems like they’re alys on the list … all except Jeff … what’s he doing on there?

It’s kinda like the Idiot List … too static.

In support of **Ron Robert’s redundancy observation. I would suggest that our time might be better spent pondering why things are done rather that disagreeing with them without knowing.

Don’t you think we already have enough of that in the political and military arenas?

Seemed like Andruw wasn’t the only not in this game.

Jersey, Gil, cover my back, it’s time for a breakfast break!

By MBATL

June 20, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this

Pollyanna, A-ville Ranger: most relief pitchers thrive on regular work, not on solid weeks without work.

I could care less about his ERA, and from what I know, Soriano has about as tough a mental approach as anybody in baseball. Why should he be “threatened” by having to pitch in a blowout game?

We’ve used our middle relievers a lot this week, and Soriano, last I checked, is a member of the team. In a game like this, you need guys to come in and get innings.

His job was to pitch an inning tonight. Shouldn’t be a problem (and I doubt it was a problem for him, only for you guys).

Go ahead, get all geeked up over a bad loss. Blame Cox. Jump up and down, have fun … whatever. Just showing your knowledge of baseball, imo.

By GermanBravesFan

June 20, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

How many more days to Spring Training??????

By Shaun

June 20, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this

I remember a while back some were talking about Johnny Damon being forced out of Boston. I believe I argued it was a wise move for Boston to let him go.

Johnny Damon ranks 16th in OPS among AL centerfielders while Crisp ranks 21st. But, Damon may have to soon go on the DL and he makes, what, about $10 million more than Crisp?

Who still thinks it was because of disrespect that the Sox let Damon, who had done so much for the team, go?

It’s a good idea to pay players on probable future performance not on respect your team may owe him or past performance.

These kind of moves are what seperates teams like the Braves and the Red Sox from teams like the Orioles and Pirates.

By mookie

June 20, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this

GUY’S I’M SORRY FOR BEING NEGATIVE, BUT BEING FROM MACAY’S HOMETOWN IT IS HARD TO TAKE!I HOPE JOHN AND BOBBY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING? WE KNOW WHEN THINGS DON’T GO AS PLANNED THIS COULD HAPPEN. IT MIGHT BE A BLESSING THAT MACAY AND DREW WILL BE HAPPY IN DETROIT, I SURE HOPE SO. BUT TO DOGGED THE MAN OUT DOB HELP ME OUT HERE THAT IS WRONG! DOB IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE READING YOUR BLOG! YOU ARE FIRST CLASS, THANKS

By Sergio

June 20, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

Reading my Baseball Prospectus 07, it says Wil had an ERA in the 4.0s as a Starter last year, and in the 2.0s as a Reliever..

also looses power by 30 pitches or so doesnt sound to me like Starter material.

By Bob, Journalist

June 20, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Again, pardon my sloppiness! Of course, I meant that Andruw wasn’t the only one not in the game … and also for my leaving Robert off my spreadsheet.

11-0 isn’t so bad … it’s better than 1-0 from some perspectives.

By GermanBravesFan

June 20, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Oh, the Humiliation… Grinch: I got some “Spaten Optimator” here. I needed something strong tonight!

By Pollymanna

June 20, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

Pollyanna You sure do have a swell attitude.We should all thank our stars for games like this.We’ll all feel so great when the team wins the next 20 games.I just know they will,don’t you ?

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

Chipper left game with a sore groin. Holy Cornelia….

Bob, Journalist: I wish I had a clue what your last post was about, but I don’t.

By geauxbraves2000

June 20, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

*The Regulator

3 out of our 5 starting pitchers are utter trash*

Have to disagree with you, 4 out of our 5 starting pitchers are utter trash.

The Braves have a problem. I keep hearing how the Braves are still “in it.” If it weren’t for the recent Mets slide, they’d be way out of it by now. The Mets are too good of a team to not right the ship, plus they have the means to go purchase whatever piece they need.

The McBride trade I don’t think was a start, I think it was just a change of scenery trade. JS has to get some starting pitching from somewhere. Anyone can lose a major league ballgame, so why not just try someone else. Go through the entire minor league system if you have to.

That’s my rant. They are still my team though, win or lose.

Geaux Braves!!

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 11:22 PM | Link to this

Cormier rehab start for Richmond tonight vs. Syracuse, allowed three hits, three runs in three innings, with one walk and four strikeouts. Reportedly “felt good.”

By Robert

June 20, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

“I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t comfort me. It’s similar to going to a resaraunt for Prime Rib, only to have the waiter bring out an entree that’s steaming, but not from being on the grill.”

N8 - geezus what a visual. But the zinger of the night has got to be

“Change the name of the team from the Atlanta Braves to the Wizards of Oz - a team in search of a brain (Cox); a heart (the offense); and courage (pitching staff).

Oh come on, they have courage. They are Brave enough to throw at hitters who dare to hit home runs off their hanging breaking balls

By Coach (NOT DRINKING THE KOOL AID)

June 20, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this

I watched the first half of the first inning and knew we were dead ducks. Just got home to see the score after dinner and a movie with the old lady. What an embarrassment of a game , the last two games for that matter. I think we just got a look at a real playoff caliber team. That is what the Braves are not at the moment. We stink , the whole damn division stinks , does anybody want to win this thing ?

By Pollymanna

June 20, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

MATL I’m not worried about Soriano pitching in a blowout per se. It’s his history in these situations. I doubt it’ll get in his head but I have seen these things carry over.It’s just not what I’d do.

By geauxbraves2000

June 20, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this

To my dying day I will argue that Hudson didn’t hit Soriano for hitting 3 HRs the previous day, but for the way Soriano “styled”. I follow the Cubs quite closely, and Soriano is a showboat. Walking backwards, standing there admiring his work, and the likes. I personally am not a fan of showboating, showing off, no matter if the player is from my team or not. It you launch one and want to watch it, run while you are doing so. If you’ve ever seen Scott Rolen hit a HR, he hustles around the bases. Bingo.

This is only my opinion, and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of this station or it’s affiliates.

Geaux Braves!!

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 20, 2007 11:40 PM | Link to this

For all you tequllia lovers I would suggest Don Jullio Very smooth and even better than Patrone. just a few pennies more.

The really scary part is that at the rate the teams in the NL East are playing the Nationals could end up winning the divison.

They have the most money availible to make a move if they desired. The Marlin’s owner is happy with the status quo. He is living high on the luxary tax paid by the Yankees.

Okay folks, time to try to get some sleep before the pain killers wear off.

By jbutler

June 20, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB…of course Chipper left the game w/a sore groin. You’d have one too if you were being kicked in it all night.

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 11:45 PM | Link to this

The way the Mets are going, the Braves could get swept this weekend and move into first place, right?

Grinch, yes, all going to get old. Funny stuff, bro.

Braveheart, they need to throw on some old-school Wu-Tang before the Detroit series. Something to shake this “Thank God I’m A Country Boy” crowd up, and the team while they’re at it.

Red Sox Nation at least filled Braves coffers this week. Averaged more than 48,000 per game in this series. Good fight behind the Red Sox dugout by warring factions of fans. And yes, I do believe a member of Red Sox Nation won that, too.

By David O'Brien

June 20, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this

First time Braves have been shut out in back-to-back games since April 2-3, 2003 vs. Montreal….

Hey, what’s that? Oh, Coco Crisp just hit another homer….

By snowball's chance

June 20, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this

Grinch, StPauli girl Dark? I’ve never seen it. There is a shortage of Beck’s Dark in Oregon right now and I am not happy.I got a St Pauli Girl story. My wife went to a convention in Vegas and she was watching her friends lose their money while she took advantage of the free drinks. After she had had a few the waitress asked if she wanted a girl. My wife was speechless thinking that she was in Sin City until her friends told her she was being asked if she wanted another StPauli Girl.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 12:05 AM | Link to this

I wish folks would make up their minds … they obviously don’t take me seriously, … except when I tell them not to take me seriously.

Speaking of just receiving email, I just got one from my sister and she wanted BraveHeart to know she was saying a prayer for him. She would say one for Jersey Gil too but thought **BraveHeart” already had that covered.

By Dylan w/o the dead

June 21, 2007 12:09 AM | Link to this

the brave are all playing like poop right now with their poop mouths. I think what we should do to turn it around is to find some animal or ghost of some sort to help out that always works in the movies. Either that or we give kevin costner a call and see if he wants to pitch for us he threw a perfect game at one time and was a driving range pro for a breif period in texas which would give smoltz and tiger another quality golf partner.

By N8

June 21, 2007 12:24 AM | Link to this

DOB

“Hey, what’s that? Oh, Coco Crisp just hit another homer…”

Nice touch indeed.

Hey, btw, I wasn’t trying to get pizzy towards you about the whole “send K-Druw down to the minors” thing.

I get, that no team would do so to a “star”, especially Bobby. But, in all honesty, “years of service/players union aside….why not? I get the guaranteed contract, blah, blah, blah.

He has stated: “I won’t be traded”

He has stated: “They don’t pay me to hit singles”

Chipper has stated: “If your brain is thinking left-field seats, that’s where your body is going to go. Until he gets to the point where he gets his brain driving the ball through the center-field wall, he’s going to struggle.”

Does everybody just think that Andruw is just gonna wake up someday soon and POOF! right back to “normal”? It needs to get fixed. TP obviously can’t fix it. Bobby can’t fix it. Andruw doesn’t appear to be doing anything mentally to fix it. So let him HACK his way out of it in the 8th spot of the order (down, down, down KJ’s RBI opportunities will go) or with Richmond.

He’s lost and it’s beyond UGLY.

At what point, does a player (in any sport) NOT have to earn his spot on the roster, then after that, earn playing time?

Lew

My meds are your meds. As Ted Nugent would say: It’s a free for all!

We’re all gonna need meds after this next stretch of opponants we play:

Detroit

Washington

@ Florida

@ Dodgers

@ Padres

8-8 if we’re LUCKY in the next 16. But hey! Just so long as the Mets go 6-10, life is good for the Braves, right?

By Kentavo

June 21, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

And I thought the starting pitching was bad last year. JS will have to pull a major coup to get us a third starting pitcher of quality if we have any hope this year for the postseason. I don’t know who, but then again, none of us saw Edgar Renteria or Kyle Farnsworth coming.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this

You think we’ve got problems … check out the AJC’s Most Popular Stories … methinks the AJC has a strange concept of “Popular” … but maybe they’re right!

Nathan, I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t comfort me … I could say the same thing about you … but I won’t!

David O’B,

Assuming you’re referring to my 11:06, don’t worry too much about it … I doubt anyone understood it either.

The Frenchy reference was simply my way of concurring with your observation that he had seemingly returned to his old ways.

The only serious thing directed to you was concern over Bobby’s spasms. I wasn’t aware that he had a history of such problems … and was simply concerned about their severity and curious if you thought it might significantly impact his activities.

That is, I asked “do you think they’re so bad that he might be forced to go on the DL?” I’m sincerely sorry for any confusion … I really thought that, for a change, I had been reasonably clear.

Later …

By The Truth Hurts

June 21, 2007 12:57 AM | Link to this

N8, I don’t know why you keep insinuating that there are a bunch of people on this blog with their proverbial heads buried in the sand.

DOB even entitled his last blog entry, “Can Braves Shake the Doomsayers?” You read this blog as much as anyone…do you really think there are THAT many people who are sanguine about how the team is playing?

Of course not. That’s silly. But, to be fair, as bad as this team is playing, the Braves could be 9 games out, rather than 1.5. It’s not time to throw in the towel quite yet. We just happen to live in very fortunate division times at the moment.

I appreciate the earnestness as well as the desire to right the ship, and most anyone can see the flaws, but teams, just like players, do in fact “turn things around” and begin to play better baseball. This team has enough talent in the lineup to do just that. Will the starting pitching straighten itself out? Ahh, the $64,000 question (probably what Redman earned per strikeout this year).

I don’t think anyone is comforted by the way things are going right now. And I think everyone can see that there are disconcerting problems on this team.

But the saving grace in all of this is that, at 1.5 games out, this conversation still matters. There is time. What one thing allowed the Twinkies to dominate the 2nd half last year after a Braves-like start? You’re up there, no? People forget that Minny won that division last year, right? Houston started 15-30 a couple years back and won the division. Wonder what their blogs looked like after 45.

I wouldn’t even go so far as to say that the East won’t get the Wild Card. Once back in division, those NL West teams will start beating up on each other again.

Obviously, however, things need to change. Just as I think AJ can still salvage the season w/ run production (my Einsteinian grasp of relativity tells me so), this team can, and I think will, be right there at the end of September.

In the 90s, that might have been heresy to say. But the 90s aren’t walking through that door anytime soon…

By Braves Fan 79

June 21, 2007 1:09 AM | Link to this

I think the Braves pretty much gave tonights game away. If bobby thought this was a must win he should of started soriano instead of a career journey man pitcher. I think after smoltz….soriano could no doubt be our 2nd best starter! It would of made sence to do it tonight 2 since we have a day off tomorrow. Man i wish bobby was better at making adjustments. At least he hasnt been starting woodward or orr lately. People this really sucks….we should no doubt be in first place right now with the mets struggles. I just think bt giving redmen so many chances…and giving woodward, orr , and andrew so many clutch at bats weve just shorted ourselves alot this season…we should at least be 10 games over .500 right now. Maybe bobbys loosing it? shoot maybe scherultz is loosing it? I mean how do u let a good pitchitter walk away like Ward, and sign crap like wilson and woodward to take his place?
and HOW in the WORLD do u not try everything possible to get Glavine back!!?? We talk about being 2 short on payroll to of payed Glavine…but he would of signed for around 6 or 7 mill. But we gave wilson 2 mill, we gave redmen 1 mill, and woodward almost 1mill. So instead of adding another 2 mill or so to that and paying Glavine and depending on up and coming players in the minors to fill the bench….we signed a bunch of CRAP!! Yeah..great strategy scherultz!

By Bobby Cocks

June 21, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

We could always start a Pac-Man Jones blog

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

Bob, tell your sis that my prayers are with her if she has spent all these years around greatness personified and she needs some blogging fool like me to point it out to her.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this

One final thought, make it two, maybe three …

First, regarding my “Bobby Cox going on the DL” question … the thought that bed rest might be appropriate or required was the mind trigger that led to the question.

Last, if a player is under contract for one dollar or $50 million, it shouldn’t make any difference in deciding whether or not he plays … you’re already paying his salary, regardless. If he’s not performing, try to unload all or part of your financial obligation so as to optimize the impact to your assets … but regardless … don’t play him just because you’re paying him.

and always, humor is best when it’s unintended!

That doesn’t hold true for Hot Tubs …

By Todd A

June 21, 2007 1:17 AM | Link to this

JS will have to pull a major coup to get us a third starting pitcher of quality if we have any hope this year for the postseason

Outside of Smoltz,Schuerholz is the architect of this fabulous rotation we have now.Don’t get your hopes up on any coups being pulled by this guy.Now….reclamation projects?Yeah.Problem is,we don’t have Leo to make chicken salad out of chicken %^$# anymore.

By Lew

June 21, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this

Nathan-It certainly hasn’t hit that point yet, but yes, there is something to be said for coming in ahead of the Mets -especially if neither of us goes to the playoffs. Nothing is EVER truly as bad as it could be if we come in ahead of the Mets. Where’s Chop Zone these days? Trying to convince himself that Jorge Sosa is a good thing?

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 1:42 AM | Link to this

Truth, $832,000 is close enough to the truth for it to hurt!

Methinks that bloggers are more apt to utter trash than are any of our bloggers or starting pitchers to be same … that’s not to say that their pitching meets our expectations.

Good Night Miss Allen

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 2:03 AM | Link to this

DOB, you’re right. They need to start rocking some real hip hop, country, and rock in there. Shake it up. It has become so blah, cookie cutter, predictable, and Disneyish. How painful is it for you to sit there everyday and know exactly what song and everything they are going to play long before it gets played? Hopefully, a little Wu-Tang would do the trick although I suspect too many in this city would get into more of an uproar about the nature of the lyrics as opposed to the poor play of their team. After this series, I feel like the Red Sox players and fans just walked away singing Brand Nubian’s Punks Jump Up To Get Beat Down about us. But I am giving them too much credit. They are the Sweet Caroline folks ain’t they? I think I would go for John Denver over Neil Diamond any day. And I would definitely take John Denver and Neil Diamond any day over the Village People crap played at Yankee Stadium. But at least the hooligans in the right field bleachers at Yankee Stadium have b******* that song when it gets played into pretty malicious attacks on opposing fans at the Stadium. We just sit there all polite. Hell, the next time the Bosox come into town they should just switch the Denver song for the Diamond song and make them feel less like visitors in their house.

By GermanBravesFan

June 21, 2007 2:08 AM | Link to this

I think it’s time to step back and take a closer look at what Andruw’s done for the Braves. I, for one, remember that last time he was up for a new contract, went into JS’s office and negotiated a new deal just to stay with the Braves for LESS than “market value” and without listening to Scott Boras! After that, he had done nothing than live up to the expectations! He DID carry the Braves when Chipper went on the DL… So, he is having a TERRIBLe year this year and everybody wants to get rid of him? My theory (being sarcastic) is that Andruw wants to stay with the Braves but he knows that he couldn’t IF he let Boras negotiate the new deal AND if he performed up to his potential. So, he is having a sub-par year, so that the nobody will offer him what Boras is asking for…. He’ll re-sign with the Braves for less than what Boras is asking for (and for something the Braves can afford).

OH well… as I said, just being sarcastic!

Bottom line: if Andruw wasn’t in his contract year, most Braves fans would forgive him for his sub-par season!

By Coach (NOT EVEN DRINKING THE KOOL AID )

June 21, 2007 2:14 AM | Link to this

And now for the cold ugly numbers , drum roll please !!! : April 16 wins 9 losses - 5.36 runs scored per game - 4.27 ERA , May 14 wins 14 losses - 4.32 runs scored per game - 4.04 ERA , June 8 wins 12 losses - 3.45 runs per game - 4.44 ERA , I think it’s an understatement to say that the offense is more of a problem than the pitching , believe it or not. Can the pitching be improved on ? with a trade , yes. Can the offense be improved on ? I doubt it. Not as long as Andruw continues his career long dead (head) pull philosophy and Francoeur keeps swinging at that first pitch. I have already explained why KJ isn’t a real leadoff hitter. Chipper looks like he is headed back to the DL and Smoltz is crazy to keep pitching with a bum shoulder. It’s not a pretty picture and I didn’t paint it. p.s. Macay McBride should be happy , he is on a much better team.

By Baron

June 21, 2007 2:31 AM | Link to this

Gee, what is it, what’s so different about these Braves? What’s changed about the organization the last few years, what sets them apart from those bygone 15 straight division winning miracles on grass? Smoltz? Chipper? Druw? Great young talent? All Star additions through trades? Light hitting utility infielders? Reclamation pitching projects? Check, check, check, check, checkcheckcheckcehcecheckeckekcik… It is time to point the finger my friends… and there is only one man to point it at. The question is, is Roger McDowell a BAD pitching coach, or is he merely an average pitching coach? Because clearly, CLEARLY, he is not Leo Mazzone. And the type of pitching staffs that Schuerholz used to be able to get away with assembling when Leo was around are not going to cut it under the tuteledge of Roger McDowell. I’m sure he gives a great hot foot, but don’t we deserve more?

By serbok

June 21, 2007 3:56 AM | Link to this

Grinch 9:27 post really gave me a good laff! Thanx man:o)

MBATL Enjoy reading your posts, however?????? lol~ However, ya think ya might Ever realize Bobby isn’t what he has been portrayed to be? I mean, HOF? Wow,I’m not really sure that there should be any HOF’ers other than the players themselves, I do feel that there have been many, many memorable personalities in the game That should be recognized! But,hey, there should be another way to go about it? Like maybe~ the guys who were around when the guys with the talent to play the game were playing the game? Maybe~ a Great Dreamers of the game Hall?

By Braves Fan 79

June 21, 2007 4:00 AM | Link to this

Baron: no baron whats wrong with this team is the cheap corporate ownership. And Scherults decisions lately havent exactly been the best. I mean we cant spend 7 mill on a solid #2 starter in Glavine, yet we spend almost 6 mill on Redmen, Wilson, and Woodward!??? WHY! all he did was buy guarnteed CRAP!! We should of looked to our own minors for bench players if our system is so good right? i mean why bring in guarnteed crap like redmen and woodward? they were bad players on bad teams…why would this year be any different? And common man…u REALLY thought we needed another pete orr on the team scherultz? woodward and orr are clones i swear.
At least now cox is FINIALLY using his best lineup everynight….about time he got tired of the (i only care about winning 2 out of 3) gameplan. If we would of started the year with escobar on the bench and left orr or woodward off….i bet were at least +5 in the win column right now! And dont even get me started with how bobby used redmen. that was just sad.

By serbok

June 21, 2007 4:23 AM | Link to this

PS guys~ Ive never been to the HOF, but after posting~ I sorta figured~ I guess maybe~ thats how its done? The outsiders lookin in as opposed to the players?

By Eric C.

June 21, 2007 4:53 AM | Link to this

Intentional walks in the first inning are never good! The Braves should just intentionally walk away from this season…1.5 GB might as well be 15 games with this team. How’s that DOB for a doomsayer? Prove me wrong Braves!!

By Ron

June 21, 2007 5:30 AM | Link to this

SHUT OUT BY THE MIGHTY TAVAREZ. We’re in trouble.

By Berigan

June 21, 2007 6:32 AM | Link to this

So, Salty didn’t catch once in Cleveland (Didn’t McCann start a day game after a night game even?)or against Boston, why is he still with the big club and not learning 1st base in AAA? I don’t see how pinch hitting it making him a better player.

I know, we are trying to rest him, cuz he is going to start a lot of games in baltimore after he is traded there for Steve Trachsel…..

By Bill

June 21, 2007 6:42 AM | Link to this

Leo Mazzone is not the solution. The only reason he looked good was the pitchers he had to work with. McDowell will be just fine. Pitching coach is not the problem. They need at least three starting pitchers and another bat.

By Berigan

June 21, 2007 6:47 AM | Link to this

Did you all know that Manny Ramirez is having an off year, but has raised his average to .300 and has a .401 OBP????

Andruw is just a tad bit behind that, with a .202 average, and a .299 OBP. But, Manny only has 41 RBI’s, and Andruw has 42, so Borass can tell teams how they can have Willie Mays in center, and a guy who in mid june had more RBI’s than Manny!!!! Give him 20 Mil!!!!

By uncle peepot

June 21, 2007 6:52 AM | Link to this

Now it is time for Davies to go.he has been so inconsistant.trade him now and let Ledezma take his place.

By Yars

June 21, 2007 6:59 AM | Link to this

Some of you have already given up on Chucky James. I would not compare him to Davies just yet. If the Braves didn’t have faith in James, he would have been traded over the winter. Didn’t Schuerholz state that James was not going anywhere? So many rumors had him going to the Devil Rays. They didn’t want Davies, they wanted James. In any case, I wouldn’t give up on James just yet. I think he needs to develop another pitch. I see that John Thomson is available. Should Schuerholz take a chance on him like he did on Redman? I’m pretty certain JS will pass on him. He probably still gets Redman flashbacks every now and then. Chipper hurting his groin last night should not surprise anyone. I’m surprised that it took him this long to hurt something. I was expecting him to get hurt again last Sunday. A team that is playing lousy right now and only 1.5 games behind the Mets. Amazing.

By Ron Roberts

June 21, 2007 7:04 AM | Link to this

Some things to take notice of…

Lefties start 3 of next 4 vs. Braves… It’s been well-documanted how we fare against lefties (14-18 vs. LH starters) this season. It’ll be interesting to see how Cox deals with 1B. Thorman’s hitting .310 with 3 HRs and 5 RsBI in the last two weeks, and even has had some decent hacks against lefties lately. Does Cox platoon Saltalamacchia against the lefties this weekend?

Cheap corporate ownership??? While I agree it’d be nice if this organization gave John Schueholz some wiggle room when an opportunity to add a stellar arm in the rotation for a coupla million more when we need it, I think it’s a little unfair to call the Braves unfortunate when it comes to money.

Gang, Atlanta’s anywhere from the 9th to 11th largest metropolitan area in the nation (depending on what figures you go with), and that’s not counting Toronto, which is larger. Expecting the Braves to spend as much on salary as teams in New York, Chicago, L.A., Dallas (Rangers), Houston, Philadelphia is asking alot. Seriously. Look at the turnstile figures. As goes the attendance, so goes the team salary. It’s that simple. Now don’t get me wrong, I’ve thought for the longest time that AOL/TW under-reported Braves organizational income from TBS broadcasting rights (somehow I don’t think the team got a fair shake), but that’s becoming a moot point now with new ownership and the Braves’ slowly pulling away from TBS. This franchise cannot afford to float $125 million payrolls; that’s that. If you ran a business and couldn’t meet payroll, you’d start paying either less people or paying people less to make ends meet. Why do we ask otherwise of our favorite baseball team?

Terry Pendleton, Where Art Thou?? Big fan of TP… almost figure him to be Bobby Cox’s heir-apparent. But Teep needs to start showing me that he has coaching acumen; folks in Braves Nation are starting to wonder if this is all we’re gonna get out of Jeff Francoeur (it’s time we started seeing what we can expect of him now) and we’re starting to wonder if Andruw Jones can be fixed. T.P. could flat-out rake as a big-leaguer, himself, but for some reason, it just doesn’t translate to the players verbally. Something’s gotta give, and soon.

Chipper…AGAIN?!?!? So now Chipper’s hammy is nagging him. Does this mean we play without him against the vaunted Tigers this weekend? Sheesh. Truth be told, he’s been playing in pain (in his hands) since he came back anyhow and has gone on the record as saying that he can hit, but can’t hit for power. Uh, how does that improve as you continue to put stress on the palms that keep you from hitting for power, I wonder?

Where do we improve, then? The offense has continued to show steady decline after a hot April. Frankly, that 7-1 start (6 games above .500) is down to 4 now, meaning we’re under .500 since then. Our starting pitching has been iffy at-best, after Smoltz. No way to sugar-coat it. Hudson’s great one start, mediocre the next; same for Chuckie. After that, it’s been pretty much a train wreck aside from three recent quality starts from Carlyle until last night. So the question is, what do we fix if we can only fix one thing?

I say fix the offense, if you can. More options are out there, trade-wise. Plus, fixing the rotation isn’t, to me, such a hard thing to do in-house. I’m not holding my breath with Cormier’s most recent rehab stint, but hey, it’s out there as a possibility, right? But seriously, Oscar Villareal deserves to be in the rotation. Why it hasn’t happened yet is beyond me. Even at his worst, he gives up far less runs than we’ve seen from Mark Redman, the Richmond call-ups, Lance Cormier, and Kyle Davies. His ERA’s at 3.65, which means if he goes his usual 5 or 6 innings (he didn’t go long when he started last year), then he gives up about 3 runs per start. If our offense is a no-show on games he starts, and we’re only down 3-0 in the sixth, aren’t we still in the game? This should happen. Give me Smoltz, Hudson, James, Villareal and let’s see what shakes down with Cormier. If he comes back effective, great, we’re set; if not, Carlyle or Davies have to fight it out and earn this spot, with the other getting that long middle-relief role Villareal leaves behind. The Mets’ pitching has come back down to earth and the Phillies pitching is next-to-last in the league, so getting our rotation to be just decent makes us the better team, because our bullpen’s fine (with workable options) and our offense can (hopefully) be improved with an addition of somebody like the available names out there (think: Jermaine Dye, Griffey, Jr., Bobby Abreu (who’s struggled in the AL, but raked in the NL when he was with Philly), or seeing the Andruw Jones turnaround we’ve all been more than patiently awaiting this season. Heck, let’s be honest; he’s the reason we’ve seen such an offensive degradation this year. He’s been at cleanup most of the time, and whew what a rally-killer, with all the strikeouts, foul-outs and double-plays.

That’s my early-morning contribution. Enjoy the (off)day!

By Soul Man

June 21, 2007 7:06 AM | Link to this

I’m 25 years old. My family doesn’t consist of sports fans so I had to get into sports by myself. And it happened in 1991 when I was 9 years old. Since then - save for last year - when there’s been a postseason, the Braves have been in it. That’s spoiled us, I think. Heck, of course it has. Reading this blog makes that obvious. But maybe being spoiled isn’t so bad. It makes us dream a little longer, fight our part of the fight a little longer. Because we know what it’s like to be there, we’re not so apt to give up on getting to the postseason when another team’s followers would’ve started thinking about next year. I doubt anyone remembers anything I’ve said on here but I’ve said more than once we’ll get to the playoffs. Now I’m not so sure. The Mets are sliding worse than anyone thought they would but they won’t play like this for much longer I’ll wager. Face it. If you don’t have four or five All-Star hitters in your lineup, you can’t win with the starting pitching we have. We’re not going to beat folks 9-8 most night. I guess I’m having a tough time realizing this early our team just might not be “good enough.” Wow. A Braves team not “good enough.”

By Lee

June 21, 2007 7:48 AM | Link to this

Soul Man -

I can understand you being optimistic about the Braves playoff chances, especially since at your age, you actually got into the Braves when they started the fabulous division winning streak. I am 48 years old and I have gotten spoiled in recent years like most Braves fans also. I went through the bad times in the seventies and eighties with this team. Even a 500 record would have been considered a successful season in most of those years. This team does have a few issues and consistent they are not. They are consistent with playing 500 ball which maybe at this stage is not bad and should be accepted by fans. I am not saying they cannot possibly make the playoffs but if I had to lay down odds …well lets just say they were not be favorable. One good thing is the N.L. does not have a powerhouse team. The Mets are overrated and the Padres appear to be the best team but then again they are the Padres same said about the Brewers also. Until these 2 teams actually win a championship they are not going to be considered true contenders either. So as long as the Braves stay in striking distance there is always hope…a little anyways..

By JasonInMaine

June 21, 2007 7:50 AM | Link to this

It appears that Braves may have inquired about Mike Maroth. It also appears that the Tigers may still be willing to deal him:

Detroit Free Press Artcile

Regards,

Jason

By chris from md

June 21, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

DOB,

Yet another solid performance from Villareal. Does Bobby really think he is more valuable as a mop up man than a 5th starter? Why won’t they let him start after his success, albeit short-term, last year? Also, will Cormier or Lerew get a 2nd chance or no? What are our 5th starter options besides these guys? Reyes? Boyer?

Chris from MD

By Lee

June 21, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

JasoninInMaine

Good article. You figure the Tigers price for Maroth may have been a little too much than the Braves were willing to give up. That Miller kid comes promising also but I am sure that price would be out-of-the-question for the Braves.

By bravefansince54

June 21, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Ron, yes, it has been documented how we do against lefties, but your number just means that we are only +1 in the win column against righties.

Last night was brutal. I agree with everything Soul Man posted at 7:48. My theme of late is tha we should be looking farther down the road, and with some confidence, but this season doesn’t auger really well. I was singing Buddy Carlyle’s praises after his first start - but his fortunes seem to mirror the team. We should not - I mean this - give up on this team (or this season), but especially the team. I see the future without the Jones boys, and I like it. I see many of the pitchers we have on staff, and I like them for the future, too. There are no Orr/Woodwards in the future, but Thorman, Harris, Pena, Escobar, Diaz, Renteria, KJ,Francoer are all there and we are winning - at least in my crystal ball. Folks, this ain’t a bad team, but this year will be struggle to finish much above .500, I mean, that’s the way it is!

By Michael Smith

June 21, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Dave O’Brien:

Has anyone considered that the fairest way to arrange baseball’s divisions is to do so on the basis of payroll? Arange it like this: highest paying teams in one division, medium payroll teams in another division, low payroll teams in a third division. That way, to get into the playoffs — to win their division — a team only has to finish with the best record of other teams that are spending roughly the same amount. For instance, here is how the divisions would work out based on 2007 salaries:

Team 2007 Payroll New York Yankees $189,639,045 Boston Red Sox $143,026,214 Los Angeles Angels $109,251,333 Chicago White Sox $108,671,833 Seattle Mariners $106,460,833

Detroit Tigers $95,180,369 Baltimore Orioles $93,554,808 Toronto Blue Jays $81,924,800 Oakland Athletics $79,366,940 Minnesota Twins $71,439,500

Texas Rangers $68,318,675 Kansas City Royals $67,116,500 Cleveland Indians $61,673,267 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $24,123,500

New York Mets $115,231,663 Los Angeles Dodgers $108,454,524 Chicago Cubs $99,670,332 St. Louis Cardinals $90,286,823 San Francisco Giants $90,219,056

Philadelphia Phillies $89,428,213 Houston Astros $87,759,000 Atlanta Braves $87,290,833 Milwaukee Brewers $70,986,500 Cincinnati Reds $68,904,980

San Diego Padres $58,110,567 Colorado Rockies $54,424,000 Arizona Diamondbacks $52,067,546 Pittsburgh Pirates $38,537,833 Washington Nationals $37,347,500 Florida Marlins $30,507,000

This would result in a bit more travel, but it would be much more fair than the current situation, in which a team like Tampa Bay ($24 million payroll) has to compete with Boston and New York.

By Michael Smith

June 21, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Oh well, I see that my nice, neat layout of the teams and their payrolls got somewhat jumbled up. But at least the groups stayed together.

So what do you think? Isn’t this a fairer way to form the divisions?

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Michael Smith,

Not trying to butt in. DOB probably would know a lot more about this than I but if I’m not mistaken there was some talk of arranging division like that. I don’t know how serious.

But what are you going to do if a team like Arizona decides to join the big spenders. I would think it would be way too difficult to arrange the divisions before every season.

Plus for 2007 for instance the Mets are in a division with three West Coast teams and two Midwest teams. Don’t think that would work with travel.

Plus I don’t think the union would go for it. It may give teams more incentive to hold back on spending because you’d want to be in a bad division. If a team is already good and could be really good by adding one free agent, maybe they don’t because that would push them into a tougher division.

By chipdip

June 21, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

WE NEED STARTING PITCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Ryan

June 21, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Dave—To get away from the AJ stuff…what do you think is going to happen with this rotation? I feel we have 1 pitcher we can count on, that of course being Smoltz. Hudson is up and down like a HS girl on prom night, Chuckie is the same way. Everything after that is crap. I thought Cormier would be the “savior”, I was wrong. Buddy is not good and Davies is a joke. Do you think JS is going to hunt down some help from another team or what? Any ideas or suggestions? They should be thankful the Mets have been terrible, if not, this division would be over. Thanks in advance. And by the way…I would have let you in the players entrance (I am bringing up some old stuff).

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Rough loss. Chipper is going to miss this weekends series against Detroit with that strained groin. But its cool, the Mets will keep losing and so will the Phillies. We won’t need to win another game all year. Sarcastic comments are great.

By Coach (NOT DRINKING THE KOOL AID)

June 21, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Mike Maroth a Brave ? Highly unlikely. If the Braves were going to go get him he would have been part of a multi-player deal when we traded McBride yesterday. Two separate trades with the same team within days of each other makes no sense. Andrew Miller was the 6th pick (1st round) of the 2006 draft , the Tigers are not interested in trading a top prospect.

By TigerFan

June 21, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Being a Tiger fan from Michigan, the view from this side is that the McBride-Ledezma trade was more of a administrative move than anything else. Rumor is that the Tigers needed to send someone out when Rogers and Nate Robinson (both lefties), and Zach Miner come off the DL. Ledezma does not have options and would have been picked up on waivers if sent down. So why not get someone for him instead of losing him outright. The Tigers have Andrew Miller, (UNC) to be the fill in starter and can do some long relief. As well, since McBride has options, he can (and I assume will), be sent to Toledo (AAA). But, he has MLB experience and, though the Tigers have some great arms in the minors, there is no MLB experience down there. If someone gets hurt, you will probably see McBride called up in a heartbeat.

Ledezma will not be the second coming, but he usually got the Tigers out of jams in the middle innings. He was also part of the 119 loss Tigers of ‘03 as well as last year’s AL champs, so he has weathered the good and bad and does not get riled easily.

We wish Wil luck. He was liked here.

By Savannah Guy

June 21, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Straightening the deck chairs on the Titanic?

Was last nights bizarre game just an aftershock reaction from a big, important trade? No way. This was not a blockbuster by any stretch. More like…arranging deck chairs. McBride may be a good guy but he’s not a regrettable loss for any team, given his brief history and seemingly prolonged rookiedom. I attended the game (spectacle) last night. We had great seats just a few feet from the Braves dugout. This fan cannot remember a more lackluster performance and a more oddly managed game than we witnessed last night.

Buddy Carlyle was hopeless from the very first batter He was essentially throwing batting practice tosses and t-balls. Hard to even recall anything positive with any part of his performance. Scanning last night’s blog, I noticed that DOB reported a back/neck problem with Cox last night. I guess that could explain the very odd moves made (and not made) all night long. Most of you guys saw the game so I don’t mean to recap it…but the sense on the field and in the stadium was that something was terribly wrong…almost like we conceded the game in the first inning. It was a real head-scratch of an experience.

Someone…DOB I think, recently coined Turner Field as Fenway South whe the BoSox are in town. Well, he was right on. Seemed many more Boston fans there than Braves fans…and they were the most vocal throughout the game. Perhaps we should erect a Green Monster next time they are in town just to show our willingness to make them comfortable in these friendly confines of their southern venue.

Highlight of the evening: Listened to Modest Mouse album on the way home and the aptly titled, “We were dead before the ship even sank”.

By Vol4ever

June 21, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

New guy a starter eh????? Well this is classic for the cheap Braves front office and that is why we are in the mess with starting pitching we are in now. We have no starting pitching because we won’t pay the going price. Its frustrating and I read your article yesterday this week about how the Braves are playing well and in contention, unfortunatley the Mets have bats and pitchers, nuff said!

By The Grinch

June 21, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Drummerdad, doing quite well; thanks for asking.

GBF: Optimator is good stuff.

Snowball: No Paulie dark in Oregon? How horrifying! It’s sold right next to the Beck’s dark here in Atlanta at just about every Publix or Kroger. A tad smoother and less bitter than Beck’s. Sounds like I gotta hop in the Trans Am, recruit Snowman (no relation, I assume) and bring you up a trailer load of that stuff with Buford T. Justice on my heels. Must be time for this morning’s lyrics!

East bound and down, loaded up and truckin’/a’we gonna do what they say can’t be done

We got a long way to go and a short time to get there/I’m East bound just watch ol’ Bandit run

Keep your foot hard on the pedal…son, never mind them brakes/let it all hang out ‘cause we gotta run to make

The boys are thirsty in Atlanta(substitute Oregon) and there’s beer in Texarkana(substitute Atlanta)/and we’ll bring it back no matter what it takes

(Repeat 1st verse)

(Guitar & Banjo solo)

Ol’ Smokey’s got them ears on/he’s hot on your trail/and he ain’t gonna rest ‘till you’re in jail

So you gotta dodge him…you gotta duck him/You gotta keep that deisel truckin’/just put that hammer down and give it hell

(Repeat 1st verse)

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

We all know the starting pitching isn’t very good. The offense just needs to pick them up and hit like they did in April if this team is going to go on any type of streak. I’m not really sure if that is possible, but Francouer, McCann and Andruw can’t be as bad as they have been. Right?

One thing is for damn sure. If we lose Chipper to this groin injury for a long period of time, we are done. Even Smoltz said, we need the guy to get our offense going. If he isn’t in the lineup, then we aren’t going to get the offense going to pick up our poor starting pitching.

I want two starting pitchers this offseason. 2. I want Mike Hampton, Chuck James, Kyle Davies, Wil Ledezma, Jo Jo Reyes and Matt Harrison to battle for the 5th starters spot next year. I can’t deal with uncertainty in the starting rotation next year.

The problem is if Salty is part of a deal for a pitcher, and Andruw leaves via free agency, next years offense looks like this:

2B Johnson SS Renteria 3B Jones C McCann RF Francouer 1B Thorman CF Byrnes LF Diaz/Harris/B. Jones

That isn’t very good. Especially considering that fact that Chipper is only going to play 120 games at most.

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Let me chime in on this “sarcasm” subject. Yes, written sarcasm can be hard to discern if it comes from someone who usually deals in statistics, analysis, and tactics and who suddenly throws in a zinger. But, for those of us who try, on a regular basis, to add some levity; anyone with an IQ above dungeon-floor temperature, should be able to pick up on it. All I know is if, at this point in my life, I have to start using emoicons or “smiley faces” to show when I’m trying to be “funny”, then count me out! It is their problem—not mine! HINT, HINT Most of what I post on here is kidding and/or sarcasm. This post is the exception.

By Over Andy

June 21, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Last night’s game hurt.

It was as if every weakness that the Braves have was on display in one ugly showcase of ineptitude.

On Tuesday night, the Braves faced a great pitcher who is having a great year. What can you do other than tip your cap to him? Hudson gave up some runs but most of the damage came in one inning where he lost whatever he had going prior to that. The 4 runs from that game look pretty good when compared with last night.

Last night, Carlyle had us in a big hole after one. Bobby contributed to that hole by his determination that Carlyle would eat some innings no matter what.

So after two innings, our lack of starting pitching and our give-up managing style were laid out for all to see.

As the game progressed, our offense (or lack of offense) was again on full display. They made Tavarez look like Beckett II. When you are down by 5 after one, it’s an uphill battle. When you’re down by two more after two, it can seem an insurmountable task. By sending Carlyle back out you have to wonder if the offense doesn’t think that it doesn’t matter if we hit or not because this guy is going to keep serving them up.

One thing that most agree on is that the Braves never quit. Well you can amend that now. The Braves quit last night. Why? Who knows, but they did quit. Maybe it was Bobby insisting on staying with Carlyle until they plated 7 runs.

One last beef…… Soriano in the eighth was not smart. The guy doesn’t pitch well in games that are out of hand. He’s already proven that. So what did Bobby accomplish by bringing Soriano in last night? The only things that could be accomplished are negative. Soriano has bounced back from this scenario before, but who’s to say he isn’t questioning his ability after last night?

If a manager’s job is to set his players up for opportunities to succeed, Bobby failed miserably last night.

By Jeff

June 21, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

I assume the Braves have given Andruw a simple eye exam. From 50-something HRs two years ago to not even making contact????

By humbug

June 21, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Carlyle pitches with pinpoint accuracy ….No matter where the batter swings he can still hit the bat. It ain’t looking good, folks.

By Chuck

June 21, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Last time I saw Andruw hit a home run, he didn’t swing hard. I think he’s trying to come out of his shoes on every swing instead of just laying back and getting solid wood on the ball. The power is not in the muscle, it’s just flipping the wrists out front to generate the extra bat speed. He’s swinging so hard that he’s pulling things out of kilter and really cutting down his hitting zone. Chuck

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Paladin….Lew,

You are funny.

By Lew

June 21, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Vol4Ever-Exactly what starting pitcher did we not get that you think we should have, or which starting pitcher do you think we should go after? Vols? All that Orange isn’t good for you. Should switch to Bulldawg Red.

By Bill

June 21, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Someone wrote we need to step back and look what AJ has done. The Braves are not concerned in the past, they are concered what is happening now. Hopefully he will get it together in the second half. I hope they don’t offer him a one year contact. The Braves just don’t have 15-20 mil to throw around. The pitching staff is the main problem.

By Tad

June 21, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Re: John Denver- Thank God I’m a Country Boy during 7th inning stretch at Turner Field.

Does DOB have some pull to petition to play a DIFFERENT song sometime? I am getting a bit tired of the country boy routine EVERY GAME. Suggestions?

John Fogerty- Centerfield

“Put me in coach, I’m ready to play today. Centerfield.”

Maybe it will also send a message to K-Druw Jones…

By Lew

June 21, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Efrim-Glad we could provide some comic relief for you. Let me know when you need more punishing.

By TheCutMan

June 21, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Something had to change so something was done to change the team chemistry, if only a little, by trading off McBride. It’s the first move approaching the mid-season mark and shouldn’t be the last.

That said, on the surface this one looks like the classic, “Here’s my trash for your trash” kind of deal but sometimes a change of scenery does motivate and elevate a player.

I heard Skip and Pete during the radio broadcast last night make some interesting observations on the Braves’ pitching problems.

1) There’s not a starting pitcher in the rotation right now without some question marks beside his name. Example: Can Smoltzie tough it out and still perform consistently with his nagging injuries? Is Hudson starting to revert to his .500 form from last season?, etc.

2) The common thread running between the NL East contenders, NYM-Phillies-Braves is that they’re ALL looking for starting pitching.

The McBride deal was the first shot fired in this battle, won’t be the last but, this is where I came in. One last thing: To get quality, you have to give up quality. Duh.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

Wouldn’t worry about Chipper this time (I know, famous last words). This really doesn’t seem a big deal, and if it wasn’t a blowout he might have stayed in, from what I’m told. But you never know, of course, or at least we won’t until Friday.

By Over Andy

June 21, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Tigerfan

Thanks for the “heads up.”

McBride may one day be a respectable big league pitcher if he ever gets his head right.

I wish good luck to him as well.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Michael Smith, there is zero chance they would seriously consider rearranging the divisions according to payroll. Zero.

Think about it _ when has something like that ever happened in professional sports in the modern era (or any era, for that matter?). It’s ludicrous. So, if New York decided to stop spending, you’d drop them to a lower division? Then they could just be awash in profits even more than they are now? And if the Marlins wanted to spend a lot of money one year, like they did in 1997 when Huizenga had all the free agents ( A. Fernandez, Moises Alou, Daulton, Eisenreich) added to team that already had Leiter, Kevin Brown, Sheff, Conine, Nen, Renteria, Charles Johnson and an emerging Livan. Would the Marlins have been moved to a different division that year?

It’s a logistical nightmare and would, in effect, reward some teams for spending less and punish teams for spending more, if those high spenders happen to currently be in a division they can win, and all of a sudden they’re in a division with the Red Sox and Yankees.

It’s silly and not right in any sense, which is why it would never happen, thankfully.

By larry gaudry

June 21, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Since we have been showcasing Salty and Escobar, why don’t we try to trade them for Rich Harden or Dontrelle Willis? We need help with SP

By Will

June 21, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Does anyone know how to get a tryout with the Braves, i am pretty sure i am capable of grooving fastballs and hanging curveballs right over the plate. Buddy C. was a joke last night. Once again the Phils and Mets lose, the Braves should be double digits games behind.

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Efrim Do you remember Joe Pesci’s character in Goodfellas when Ray Liotta’s character called him “funny”? He said, “Whataya mean, hou think I am FUNNY? You think I’m FUNNY!!? Just kidding. Thanks for the compliment.

By TheCutMan

June 21, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Ron Roberts,

Thanks for another excellent overview on the State of the Braves today. I agree with most everything you said except the part about building up the offensive production (fixing one thing) as opposed to getting the pitching improved.

However, you very well could be correct in terms of AVAILABILITY of position players vs pitchers. Could the Braves morph into a team that simply knows it has to outscore its opponents on most nights to win?

That philosophy has worked on occasion, even in the NFL with the KC Chiefs teams of the Vermiel era so, all things considered, maybe adding more horsepower to the bats could compensate for the inconsistent arms?

Anyway, again, good comments on your part and thanks for them.

By Bob

June 21, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Well, pretty ugly last night. DOB, do you think Bobby might decide to let Oscar try out for that #5 starter? He has done pretty well and there is NO WAY he could be any worse than the options we have already tried.

Lew, I see you are in good form this morning. Frankly I think only three things should be allowed to be orange…the fruit of the same name; pumpkins and the holiday they are associate with; and Home Depot. At least Auburn has enough sense to emphasize their blue.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Lew

What punishing? It is a freeking blog man. Get a life. Go sleep with your girl instead of Jo Jo Reyes and Matt Harrison.

By h_charles

June 21, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Chipper’s groin isn’t a worry. Chipper’s wrists are. He clearly cannot drive the ball right now. We have a cleanup hitter with zero ability to hit the ball out.
He really needs to rest his hand until it is 100%. However, I don’t know that we can afford to. With Andruw MIA (BTW — that Harris catch in the 8th may have sealed Andruw’s fate for next year in another uniform), McCann having little power (squeeking one over the fence off a batting practice fastball doesn’t count), Francour sacrificing power for average, we really have little pop right now in the middle of the order.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

June 21, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Grinch,

For some reason, I just got the urge to grow my hair out into some 1983 curls, put on my fishnet hat, flannel shirt and vest, grab the dog, and gun it to the nearest Choke-n-Puke so I can throw some groceries down-ma-neck….SON!!!

By Robert

June 21, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

We dont need starting pitching, or more hitting, or a new umpire, or better fans, or any of it.

What we need is a strategist who has a CLUE

Get rid of Bobby Cox, and y’all will be amazed at how all the other perceived problems will take care of themselves.

A good manager doesnt NEED a poerfect team to win. Bobby Cox couldnt win with the perfect team.

Of course, the Coxists would have an excuse. They’d hand you a glass of Kool-Aid and start telling you (in all seriousness) how the perfect team wasnt perfect, and what a miracle of Bobby Cox’s genius it was that they even finished .500)

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Lew & Bob Don’t forget the big punkin who “coaches” them.

By Renegator

June 21, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Back to back shutouts? 10 hits over two games (18 innings)? This team needs offense just as badly as it needs pitching. This team (as it is currently) will struggle to be a .500 team. It’s sad that the Mets have lost 13 of 16 and we haven’t gained on them at all. Here’s looking at 2008 - this team will be much better without Langerjones in CF.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Bob, I thought he should’ve used Oscar as a starter weeks ago, more than a month ago. And still do. Would imagine he’ll consider it strongly again….

BOB, JOURNALIST, what part of “most popular stories” are you confused about?

It’s purely based on number of page views from ajc.com readers. In other words, it’s the stories read by the most people, and it’s posted automatically, based simply on highest number of readers going to that story.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but people are curious about perverse and/or oddity stories. This just in, it’s hardly exclusive to our paper, or you wouldn’t see them lined up along the counter when you’re checking out at the grocery store.

On TV news, If it bleeds, it leads. And in print, if it’s freakish or involves nudity in the headline, it usually gets the most page views.

Would it make you feel better if we labeled it “Five stories drawing the most readers?” Just curious.

Sorry we at AJC.com can’t change human nature, my man. Methinks not everyone is as high-brow or sophisticated as some others.

By TennesseePaul

June 21, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Payne: It’s a good idea to pay players on probable future performance not on respect your team may owe him or past performance.
These kind of moves are what seperates teams like the Braves and the Red Sox from teams like the Orioles and Pirates.

I think I get what you’re saying, but when did the Pirates ever pay anyone anything?

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Paladin, here’s your scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWriHWz4&mode=related&search=

By Will

June 21, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Why are some people still saying we should trade phenomenal young talent for starting pitching. The Braves are not a playoff team one way or another. Andruw sucks, Chipper cannot drive a ball and i am really wondering when that will change as long as he plays everyday. Please John S. i am BEGGING you to not make any dumb trades and play for the future.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Uh, young Robert, watch the freakin’ games, man. The Braves NEED starting pitching. Seriously, do you watch the actual games. I mean, ever?

Anyone who’d say the Braves don’t need starting pitching is like that guy on the ESPN commercials talking sports out of his a$#. No clue.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

“Wouldn’t worry about Chipper this time (I know, famous last words)”

Like Cox wasnt worried about Mike Hampton in March?

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Hey, here’s a strategy that a manager could’ve offered his team last night:

“Let’s not get behind 5-0 before our team bats, OK? Good. Alright, team. Let’s go get ‘em.”

By TennesseePaul

June 21, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Schmidt is done for the season. Shoulder surgery. They cut him open and found more issues than previously thought. They think he might be ready to throw by next spring. I doubt it.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

June 21, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

TigerFan at 9:29 a.m.,

I hope McBride can get his head straight with Jim Leyland and flourish in the A.L. He’s got the tools, but it seemed to me that Bobby Cox didn’t have the patience with him that he has with some other guys (ones that he’s too patient with IMO.) You could tell that by BC’s reaction in the dugout Monday night, that the high heater that was still going up when it hit 8 feet high on the backstop was really the straw that broke the camel’s back. A change of scenery could make all the differene in the world.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

No, actually not like that at all, non-baseball viewer.

And for the record, Cox sounded less optimistic about Chipper after the game last night than a player and another team official I talked to, who both downplayed it and said Chipper would be fine.

TennPaul, Schmidt was a sound investment, huh?

And how ‘bout those White Sox, two seasons after winning it all?

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 21, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Good morning bloglatites… For some of you the Braves could be 20 games over 500 and you would still whine… I again remind everyone of how young this ball club is. What you see is what you got…

Pete Orr is still here only because Aybar isn’t. Woodward seemed to be a good idea at the time but I doubt he will continue to play a big role once other option become available.

Be thankful we are still in this thing for whatever reason. So, where do we go from here? I suspect a trade for a starting pitcher is in the works. I doubt anyone is going to be happy with the cost. It a seller’s market right now.

Streaky bats are what they are. We can only pray that they wake up soon. One guy cannot carry a team anymore. Too easy to pitch around him.

Maybe someone needs to set the press box on fire again…. O’Brien, you game?

By Bob

June 21, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Will,

I agree on trading our young talent. If there was an abundance of good pitching out there I might have a different opinion, but almost everybody has big time pitching problems. I don’t want us to mortgage the future to get a solution that allows us to somehow squeek into the playoffs because we are in such a weak league. We missed the playoffs last year and somehow the people on this blog all survived the winter.

I think JS will keep that in mind. Most of the teams that will be out of contention have a young talented pitcher or two, but why would they want to give them up when they should be counted on to be the foundation for their own teams’ future. Bedard of the Orioles comes to mind as does the Lincicum kid in SF and Cincy’s young stud pitcher. I am afraid all we would be offered is something that MIGHT help us for this year. It is painful to watch some of this pitching, but look around baseball and you see it every night. Look at the Dodger-Blue Jay and Indian-Phillies series and you see lots and lots of very bad pitching. Fortunately for the Braves, most of the bad pitching seems to be in the NL.

By Will

June 21, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

TigerFan saying Bobby Cox didnt have the patience with Mcbride, wow!! That is insane and laughable. Bobby runs his guys out there long after they cant get the job done. I cant stop laughing after reading that.

By Renegator

June 21, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Not looking good for this weekend. The Tigers swept a Nationals team that took 3 of 4 from us last time we played them. Taking 1 game from the Tigers is a moral victory.

Over/under on HRs Sheff hits against us this weekend - 4.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, just got to your post (scrolling up).

1. It’s Chipper’s groin, not hamstring. 2. He’s not gone on record as saying he’s playing in pain; he said he doesn’t have his strength yet, but that his palms have actually felt good other than briefly when he braced himself on a fall the other night after making that backhand play. His hands aren’t a problem, he just hasn’t regained his strength/bat speed yet after missing three weeks.

But it hasn’t prevented him from hitting or playing defense. So he’s not hitting home runs yet. So what? They’re a better team with him in the lineup. Period.

By eware

June 21, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

DOB, are you going to the BLACK KEYS show tonight? I hope you got your tickets. I think Dinosaur Jr. will be pretty good as well.

I heard the new Ryan Adams album and I’ve got to say it ranks up there with Heartbreaker. Its worth the buy for everyone that visits this blog (except Tim McGraw fans). Two outstanding rockers on it - “Goodnight Rose” and “Halloweenhead”. Awesome.

White Stripes album is pretty good too. Typical raw sound with some songs that make you laugh but rock you at the same time.

By Will

June 21, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

I like the set the press box on fire idea! Anybody who does not know what that means should not be aloud to post on here.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Tad, one of the few songs that makes me reach for the razor blades faster than “Thank God I’m a Country Boy” during the seventh-inning stretch is “Put me in coach, I’m ready to play….” anytime.

I mean, it was OK — the first 2 million times I heard it.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Robert

Like Cox wasnt worried about Mike Hampton in March?

Well said. Lets have backup plans for Chuck James, Kyle Davies, and Mike Hampton next year.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

DOB - I know the starting pitching is thin. My point was that fixing it or not fixing it wont matter one bit to the overall success of the team unless the manager is replaced

He couldnt win with Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz in the number 3 spot, and Neagle and Millwood at the back of the rotation

What makes you think that there’s gonna be some major effect from upgrading Heckle and Jeckle at the back of the 07 rotation?

By Bob

June 21, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

DOB,

Has anyone noticed how well the Rockies are playing? They went into Fenway North and took 2 of 3 from the Red Sox and now have shut down the previously hot Yanks two nights in a row. They have a real young team that seems to be coming into their own. The race in the NL West might be a 4 way battle the way those guys are playing. It sure looks like the Wild Card team is going to come from the NL West this year.

By Lee

June 21, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Has any team ever won their division with a losing record? If not, apparently we may have the opportunity to see witness history in the making.

Grinch - All of a sudden got the urge for some Coors beer.

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Braveheart I’m ‘puter illiterate; Hell, I’m doing good to get on here. Anyway, I couldn’t find it, but thanks for the effort.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

DOB

You think they will wait until July 31st to make a move for a starter?

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

eware, headed out to get the Ryan Adams album now, and the White Stripes, probably.

Don’t have tix for Black Keys tonight. Saw them last winter at Variety. Great show, but songs get a tad redundant live, in my opinion. Great, great band, but two guys performing live just seems to sound too similar. But again, definitely worth seeing.

Dinosaur Jr.? When’s that? Great, great live show.

By TennesseePaul

June 21, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

DOB: nearly 16 million a year for a guy with only 2 15 win seasons in his career and about 20 DL trips… very wise investment. You gotta give him that much if Lilly and Meche are worth 10 million a season.

Speaking of Meche, that guy has turned out alright. Better than Schmidt anyways. Still think they could of had him for less.

By Ryan

June 21, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

DOB, make your prediction, what realistic trade will the braves make by the deadline?

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Grinch I got your backdoor; put the pedal to the metal. But, at the first rest stop I’ll need at least a 6-pack. And remember, these 3-wheel bicycles do not corner well.

By Rx

June 21, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Dave, I prescribe a rather large chill pill for you.

It’s bad for your health to maintain and nurture a blog that any simpleton can post on and then get upset at the things simpletons post on it.

Also, John Fogerty is always a far better option than John Denver. Guess you miss that Terry Cashman wuss and his “Talkin’ Baseball” classic, huh?

Give me “Centerfield” at the stadium any day. That or “Glory Days.”

By bclontz

June 21, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

If pitchers aren’t pitching, you look at the pitching coach!

If hitters aren’t hitting (even getting worse) you look at the hitting coach!

If the whole team seems to be trying to figure out what league they’re in, you look at the manager!

The years that Bobby had 3 Cy Young winners to pitch for him and only one championship…I’d say that’s grounds for divorce…The fact is, Bobby is loved by his players because there is NO disipline, 3 rules in clubhouse, and he takes up for his players while making a bid to be the “Ejected manager of all times”…I can just see it now “Bobby cinches hall of fame with 131st ejection from game” !Pendleton isn’t getting the hitters to hit! McDowell isn’t getting the pitchers to pitch ! Bobby doesn’t seem to be getting anyone to do anything ! Maybe the World Series will just happen for us because we’re liked by our peers? I still say 3rd strike foul should be an out…shorten the game, please!!!!!!

By Carolina Lady

June 21, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Paladin, Wrote a response yesterday on the other just as you left for the day: “I’ve read about the incredible job done by the FACs and the daunting heroism y’all demonstrated daily. Many, many airmen owe their lives to your skill and daring. Your call sign is quite suitable. (Ever been to Cherry Point MCAS?)”

Gil in Mechanicville, wrote you a response several blogs back just before a new blog was posted (timing is everything!) to acknowledge your introduction and thank you! Great to “meet” you! :-)

Braves - somehow I just don’t see this team playing very long in postseason. And that’s with many assumptions about them getting there! :-)) What a Division!

By TigerFan

June 21, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Will,

The comment attributed to me did not come from me. I only have the one comment the one comment on here about Ledezma. Actually, I have not seen as many Braves games this year as in the past (TBS), so I cannot comment on how Cox handles his staff.

By Dodger Fan

June 21, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

DOB, Mike Hampton was a sound investment, huh?

By DAP

June 21, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

maybe we are getting ledezma to start in the future, but i dont think this year. im thinking maybe ledezma is here to replace villareal for long relief so that villareal can start some games.

i dont really think he need a lefty specialist that bad, especially if thats basically all he can do like mcbride. i dont like guys like that cause you can really use them in any other situation. weve got a couple of guy in the pen that can strike guys out no matter which side of the plate they are on(yates, soriano) and they should be used for that. guys that are there for one batter a game really arent worth haveing, in my opinion. id rather use guys that are versitile.

By Luke

June 21, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Can someone please inform me of Pete Orr’s value to the Braves? He’s a double A hitter at best, (that’s giving him credit) everyone claims he’s a speedster but never on base, so I’m guessing the Braves have him around for his pinch running skills?? Because I would much rather Kelley and Martin Prado in there over Orr

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Well, Robert, I guess I choose to focus on the aspects of the team that might actually be altered this season, since how you or I feel about the manager is pretty much a pointless discussion, no? Since he’s not going anywhere, certainly not this season? Maybe I’m wrong, but to me I’d rather discuss pertinent, fluid parts of the team, aspects that can realistically be changed this season. But if you’d prefer to bang your head against the wall and swing at windmills regarding the manager, that’s fine by me. I’ll comment further on that part of the team when it comes to the point where that component might actually be changed.

It’s not going to be this season, and unless something changes drastically, not going to happen before the end of next season. That’s a lot of time to repeat the same stuff over and over. Well, at least for most of us. But again, feel free.

I’ll focus on the pitching and other matters. And yes, I do think the Braves will make a pitching move or two between now and July 31, at least one well before that. And with another quality starter, this lackluster division and league are winnable. I’ve never seen the NL so winnable.

As it stands now, no team in the league stands a realistic chance of beating the Red Sox in a seven-game series, barring major injuries to the Sox. But that’s beside the point, almost. The fact is, any NL team with a .500 or better record today is fully capable of winning the pennant. Seriously.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

June 21, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

TigerFan saying Bobby Cox didnt have the patience with Mcbride, wow!! That is insane and laughable. Bobby runs his guys out there long after they cant get the job done. I cant stop laughing after reading that.

Will,

first of all, It was I who made that post, not TigerFan. Second, that’s not what I posted. I said “but it seemed to me that Bobby Cox didn’t have the patience with him that he has with some other guys (ones that he’s too patient with IMO.)” Meaning he wasn’t as patient with McBride as he is with some of the other garbage that he sticks out there day in and day out for no aparent reason. How many times have you seen Bobby as animated as he was Monday night after the wild pitch? Or like Lew said earlier, when he took the ball from McBride’s hand and turned his back on him without a get-him-next-time pat on the back or anything? Not very often. I think you’re trying to make the some point that I am, but maybe you should contain your laughter long enough to read the post before you try to ridicule somebody.

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Carolina Lady Yes, Ma’am; 2 of my sons were born in the New Berne hospital. Spent a lot of time in New River and Cherry Point. And, thanks for your kind words.

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

bclontz,

Have you looked at the standing lately?

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

DOB

It sickens me that the AL is so much better. How did this happen????

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

DAP, as I said in the original blog post, Ledezma’s not a situational lefty. He gets torched by lefties, in fact, compared to his success against righties.

I think Bobby’s looking for his seventh-inning guy, be it Yates or Moylan or Ledezma, because he likes to avoid using situational guys late in games anyway, would prefer to go with a set seventh-inning guy (it was Gonzo), then eighth (Soriano) and ninth (Wickman) in most games when they lead (which ain’t many lately).

Ledezma’s a starter for the future, probably, but Schuerholz made it clear yesterday they’re looking at him as a reliever, for now. And it sounded like for rest of season, though I’m sure that could change if necessary.

They think he’s got a lot more potential, a higher ceiling if you will, than McBride, in part because he throws harder than McBride.

By Bob

June 21, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

DOB,

Can Prado play all the infield positions outside of 1B? Sure seems to me that we would be better off with Prado up here than Orr and/or Woodward. I cannot envision a more anemic bench. I realize that there is a balance between having a strong bench and getting guys experience by playing them every day at Richmond. Still we are terribly hamstrung right now. With Salty held in reserve in case he needs to catch and Orr and Woodward being as close to automatic outs as anyone, we are left with Escobar and either Diaz or Harris. I mean as painful as it has been to watch Andruw at the plate, at least he has a defensive upside. I really fail to see what either Orr or Woodward bring to the plate (or field).

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Dodger Fan, no, Mike Hampton wasn’t a sound investment. Not at all. A gamble that backfired.

It’ll be interesting to see which teams gets more wins, the Braves from their $48.5 mill investment in Hampton over six years or the Dodgers from their $47 mill investment in Schmidt over three years.

Both teams getting some insurance money, fortunately for them.

Hampton’s 32-20 with a 3.96 ERA so far for the Braves, with one year to go. Not a big return on the dollar, but do you think Schmidt will end up with a better record than that in his time with the Dodgers?

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

RX, I’ll take ANYTHING by Fogerty over anything by John Denver, with the exception of “Centerfield.” Just like fingernails on a chalkboard for me, maybe because I’ve heard it, on average, at least once for every one of the 1,800 or so baseball games I’ve covered, including spring training.

“Talkin’ Baseball”? No thanks. You’re right. Wuss song.

“Glory Days,” I don’t get tired of. Never tire of The Boss.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

June 21, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Efrim, remember how the whole country thought the American League was head and shoulders above the National League and the Tigers could not be beat in the 2006 World Series?

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Bob, yes he can play them all but 1B. And I don’t disagree with you, at all.

By Jersey gil

June 21, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Good Morning Guys….Sorry but i don’t blog at night…i let my office at 4:30 and went home to watch the games…and this morning i have a important meeting…so i glad i back…Bob please give my ‘Gracias” to your sister for all the prayer…i think all we need it. i you all know my wife is a Phillis fan..we was watching both games last night(PIP)and in the Phillis games was two play that not make sense to me, i need some one to explain it.First in the 6 inning Lieber was hurt and they was a pitching change(injury change)then after the second pitch the cather Barajas went to the mount and the ump count that as a visit.I guess he have to call time out first? The second play was …Cleveland have men in first and Howard was playing behind the runner..the pitcher try a pick up and hit the runner,(they was nobody cover),and the ball was away and the ump say that he can’t advance to second…Why??

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Robert said, “[Cox] couldnt win with Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz in the number 3 spot, and Neagle and Millwood at the back of the rotation.”

From 1996-2002 (the years those pitcher were together along with either Neagle or Millwood) the Braves were 690-442. That was the best record in baseball over that stretch. Yeah, it was such a struggle for Bobby Cox, wasn’t it?

Oh, wait, he didn’t win any World Series. That’s all his fault and has nothing to do with the players.

Got it: Only players matter in the regular season, but managers don’t matter AT ALL. Only managers matter in the postseason, but players don’t matter AT ALL. That’s the way it works in Robert’s world. We need to all see it that way. Isn’t it obvious he’s correct?

Nevermind that the Braves have exceeded indepth, thoughtful preseason projections and their Pythagorean record by a large margin from 1998-2006, as I showed last week. Ignore that, please. Cox is costing them wins.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Arkansas

I know. But do you treally think that will happen again??

The Cardinals got really lucky last year. It’s unfortunate that they won, because they didn’t have a very good team last year.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

“Maybe I’m wrong, but to me I’d rather discuss pertinent, fluid parts of the team, aspects that can realistically be changed this season”

DOB - The key word there is pertitent. As long as Cox manages, none of the changes that might be made this season would make a flip of difference.

Therefore, none of those possible changes are pertitent.

NOTHING is really pertitent to this team until the day that they again have a CHANCE to compete for championships.

That’s been my point all along

Get rid of Cox. Once he is gone, all the debate and discussion about what moves to make or not make become pertitent

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

t’s bad for your health to maintain and nurture a blog that any simpleton can post on and then get upset at the things simpletons post on it.

Simpleton!? Simpleton!!?? You call me a simpleton and I’ll do my best Rooster Cogburn* imitation and call you out!

By Dodger Fan

June 21, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

DOB, Sadly, I’ll have to admit that no, the Dodgers aren’t likely to get a comparable return from Schmidt unless he can get healthy and make an adjustment from fireballer to finesse pitcher. It’s happened before.

Do you know Schmidt at all from working the NL beat? I hope he has the mental meake-up to endure and overcome this setback.

By Bob

June 21, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Arkansas Hillbilly,

The American League is much better than the NL right now. They lead interleague play this year by 30 games and won last year by 60 games. The Cards are the world champs and deservedly so. But they also were very fortunate in that the Tigers imploded.

I think the NL has improved a bit this year and they have lots of young players who might turn this around. But as some others have said, the AL has most (not all) of the big market/big spender teams. They also seem to have had better management.

I am a big time NL fan (unless it is the Mets). I hate the DH…reminds me of softball type rules. But right now, it should be clear that the AL is far superior. Anything can happen in a seven game season, but the inter-league records don’t lie.

By Jersey Gil

June 21, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

About the games last night,,,it like we have a day off last night…nothing change in the standing..just the ERA sky rocket…I like the comment last night of the ESPN Baseball tonigh..”Nobody in the NL EAST want to win the division”..Just wait until August..think going to heat up.

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

DOB,

I agree. I can think of six teams in the AL better I think will end up better than any NL team—Red Sox, Angels, Tigers, Indians, Twins and Yankees. Twins and Yankees haven’t hit their stride but I would favor all those teams over any NL team.

(Doesn’t mean an NL team can’t win the World Series. Anything can happen in 7 games, as we saw last year.)

By Sign Post and Brick Wall

June 21, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Shaun —

When you’re done arguing with Robert, can you start something up with us?

By Salty

June 21, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t a 10-game winning streak be wonderful right now? Not just for the obvious, but for the fact Robert wouldn’t post during that time! Wins mean silence…and a faster blog!

By David-ATL14

June 21, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Bench is weak as presently constituted, but prado is just another utility infielder who can’t play SS at least not for Bobby. Marginal player at best.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Shaun

Well said. I agree with you on all counts. Twins and Yankees are going to get better. Phil Hughes and Matt Garza will help them.

By Adam

June 21, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Anybody can get hot in October, Braves just need to do something to make it to October. Remember the Cardinals?

By Wayne in Utah

June 21, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Excellent point about nothing can be done until Bobby is gone. So, why don’t you leave your phone number and someone will call you when Bobby is gone, and then you can come back.

See you in 3-4 years.

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Sign Post and Brick Wall,

I know it’s pointless to argue with Robert. Just kind of a sick pleasure to bring out how wrong a human being can be about something.

Also it just confirms that Cox may be even better than I realized. After doing some actually research, albeit non-scientific, it’s amazing how the Braves has exceeded expectations during Cox’s tenure in every way possible.

By Lee

June 21, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Speaking of the BOSS - I heard “Prove It All Night” the other night while listening to Sirus Radio. Don’t understand why that one is not on any of his Greastest Hits to me. It was minor hit before he became soooo famous. Anyway I like it.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

OK, then Robert. I guess that settles it. We stop talking about the team until Cox is gone, right? Since nothing’s pertinent.

Brilliant. You’re a breath of fresh air. Insights none other can offer.

By Don

June 21, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Classic Psycho Boy. The idiot who spends all his time blathering about how stupid his Daddy is misspells the same word 4 times in one post, even after DOB spells it correctly for him.

Hey Psycho Boy, speaking of “pertitent”, you are not pertitent to either this blog or the human race.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Efrim, don’t despair. It’s cyclical. And even if the AL has dominated for a while now, keep in mind that anything, anything at all, can happen in a series.

St. Louis 4, Detroit 1. We didn’t even get to go back to Detroit to cover the rest of the World Series. Had to re-book flights home from St. Louis.

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Efrim,

Thanks. Didn’t quite come out right. Meant to say: I can think of six teams in the AL that I think will end up than any NL team.

The good thing for NL fans is a lot of the good young players coming up are in the NL—we all know the Braves have key young players, the Diamondbacks, the Dodgers, the Brewers. Within a year or two all of those teams may be in the position teams like the Twins and Indians are in now.

By Wayne in Utah

June 21, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

David ATL14 Agreed on Prado. BC didn’t seem to have confidence in his ability to play SS, Orr either for that matter. I think Woodward is a solid utility guy, primarily because he can be put in about 7 positions on the field, and he doesn’t embarras you.

With Escobar around, you would have thought that the Braves would have called up Brayan Pena and dropped Orr to Richmond. So, one of two things might be going on.

1) They might be showcasing Escobar for a trade for pitching help.

2) They might be fearful of Chippers health, and want to give it a bit more time before making a decision on one of the utility infielders.

Personally, I smell another trade for pitching help coming along. Pena could possibly be a part of that. Salty too, but I hope not.

By Bob

June 21, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah,

That would be great wouldn’t it? However right now I would take a 10 game winning streak and get triple value. No Mets Drool, no No Chop and no……..

By Arkansas Hillbilly

June 21, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Bob and Efrim,

I see what you’re saying but the Cardinals last year and the Braves of the past decade and a half have proved that the playoffs and World Series doesn’t always reflect on your regular season record. You’re right. The AL has beaten the NL to an oblivion in the last couple of years. The interleague records don’t lie, but they also don’t mean a thing if you go into a seven game series with a couple of dominant starting pitchers: i.e. 2001 D-Backs.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

“Robert said, “[Cox] couldnt win with Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz in the number 3 spot, and Neagle and Millwood at the back of the rotation.”

From 1996-2002 (the years those pitcher were together along with either Neagle or Millwood) the Braves were 690-442. That was the best record in baseball over that stretch. Yeah, it was such a struggle for Bobby Cox, wasn’t it?

Oh, wait, he didn’t win any World Series. That’s all his fault and has nothing to do with the players.

Got it: Only players matter in the regular season, but managers don’t matter AT ALL. Only managers matter in the postseason, but players don’t matter AT ALL. That’s the way it works in Robert’s world. We need to all see it that way. Isn’t it obvious he’s correct?”

Shaun, are you trying to suggest that Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz needed BOBBY FRICKIN COX to constitute an effective rotation?

Deviation from Pythagorean projections does NOT tell us whether a manager is good or not

Matter of fact Shaun, I remember a while back when you told me that very thing.

Shaun, you are the one who made me realize the limitations of Pythagorean. It was last summer, and I looked at Pythagoreans and didnt find a huge difference between prediction and reality for the Braves (found a negative number actually for a certain time period I was analyzing).

And you, Shaun, told me that Pythagorean didnt say much about managerial ability.

And I realized you were right.

But now, you are trying to tell me that Pythagorean proves Cox a genius

Shaun, the 96-02 Braves were 690-442. (I’ll take your word for that)

ALL that means is that if Willie B had managed the Braves, they’d have been 691-441, or better

PLAYERS and differential in overall player talent, is going to seperate teams out over the course of a 162 game season

When it comes to a short series, between teams that are reasonably close in talent, strategic decision making on the part of the manager can be the difference

And wouldnt we all like to believe that no team in the league can compete with Boston over a 7 game series. Boy that would sure make it easy to apologize away the back to back shutout blowouts.

I’d rephrase DOB’s statement to say that, with Cox as manager, the Braves wouldnt have much of a chance in ONE seven game series, against any team in the league

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

DOB and music fans,

Here’s some misheard Yellow Ledbetter, Pearl Jam lyrics. Very funny:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xLd22ha_-VU

By Kentavo

June 21, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Yeah, the Red Sox don’t scare me in a World Series matchup. You have the NL games where they negate the DH and sooner or later Ortiz is gonna butcher some plays at 1st. And he probably will sit out at least one of the games. Anyhow, remember how many times does the juggernaught team of the regular season doesn’t win the title? All you gotta think about is a few of the Braves teams of the last decade and a half, along with the Yankees since 2000 and the Mariners of a few years ago, etc. The White Sox I guess are the exception. So let the Red Sox waltz thru the regular season, let’s see what happens

By Renegator

June 21, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

DOB: I know Ledezma was out of options with Detriot - does that mean he is out of options for us too? Or does he get a whole new set of options because he is with a new team?

Basically what I am asking is - if Ledezma can’t get sent down to the minors - where is he going to learn to be a starter again?

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

When it comes to a short series, between teams that are reasonably close in talent, strategic decision making on the part of the manager can be the difference

Yes. But so can luck, power pitching, a dominant closer, great defense, a balanced lineup. How can we be so sure it is all the manager?

I agree Pythagorean record doesn’t tell us for sure whether a manager is good. But it may give us some insight. Winning close games are a result of small things, including luck and putting in the right players at the right time.

I think the fact that the Braves have exceeded their Pythagorean record plus the fact that they’ve exceeded objective, in-depth preseason projections over several years may give us some clue about either their field manager or their front office. At the very least I would say it means Bobby Cox isn’t costing the Braves a significant number of wins.

By eware

June 21, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

DINOSAUR JR. is opening for BLACK KEYS!! Now you’ve got to go!

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Renegator, he’s out of options, has to stay up. He started some last season, so doesn’t need to “learn” to start again, just needs to get stretched out. Which is why he probably won’t be starting this season….

ROBERT, don’t ever, EVER rephrase my words. You and I are on such different wavelengths, you just stay on yours and leave me to mine. But don’t ever be so presumptious as to think you speak for me, or can rephrase my opinions or statements to suit your own obsessions.

By BossLady

June 21, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

I have defended Andruw Jones and the Braves as I have my broke cousin. I am sick of them and my cousin too. Well, since it has been said I hope that they fair better with Detroit. It will be good seeing Sheffield again. Don’t get to see him in the AL. I think his bat has been hot the last week or so. Jeff Francoeur has got to learn to be patient and see what the pitcher’s are throwing him. My hats off to Willie Harris, he will hit anybody.

By Don

June 21, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Speaking of obsessions, Robert’s Song:

Cox is an obsession I cannot sleep I am His possession Unopened at His feet There’s no balance No equality Be still I will not accept defeat

I will have Cox Yes, I will have Cox I will find a way and I will have Cox Like a butterfly A wild butterfly I will collect Cox and capture Cox

CHORUS: Cox is an obsession Cox is my obsession Who does Cox want me to be To make Him sleep with me He is an obsession He is my obsession Who does He want me to be To make Him sleep with me

I feed Cox I drink Cox My day and my night I need Cox I need Cox By sun or candlelight Cox protests Cox wants to leave Stay Oh, there’s no alternative

Cox’s face appears again I see the beauty there But I see danger Stranger beware A circumstance In Cox’s naked dreams Cox’s affection is not what it seems

CHORUS

My fantasy has turned to madness And all my goodness Has turned to badness My need to possess Cox Has consumed my soul My life is trembling I have no control

I will have Cox Yes, I will have Cox I will find a way and I will have Cox Like a butterfly A wild butterly I will collect Cox and capture Cox

CHORUS

By Thrillhouse44

June 21, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Robert is about as simple minded as they come. (Yes, Robert - WAY more simple minded than the Donk.) His philosophy: Braves lose - it was the manager. Braves win - it was the players.

By doug

June 21, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

I think shaun and robert are going to break up.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

BossLady, his bat’s been hot a lot longer than that. And Ordonez is the hottest hitter in baseball, leading the majors in average (.383) and the AL in OBP (.459) and leading the majors in OPS (1.122, ahead of A-Rod, Bonds, Ortiz).

Tigers are a hitting juggernaut, and Ordonez and Sheff are such incredibly disciplined, all-around hitters.

Here’s the Who’s Hot thing I just did for my Tigers scouting report for tomorrow’s paper:

Magglio Ordonez has been baseball’s best hitter this season. He’s hit .411 in his past 43 games with 30 extra-base hits (nine homers), 41 RBIs, a .481 OBP, and only 15 strikeouts…. Gary Sheffield has hit .347 with 15 homers, 41 RBIs and only 15 strikeouts in his past 44 games.

And Kyle Davies will face then Saturday, Chuck James Sunday. Hold on.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/06/95/21/image_5521956.jpg

The umpire’s posture and expression say it all

As in “Whatever. Would someone get this donkey off my field so the adults can get back to work here?”

By Voice of Reason

June 21, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Has anybody noticed that JoJo Reyes was quietly promoted to AAA Richmond? He went 6 innings in his first start there giving up 4 hits and 1 earned run. Oh, yeah, he registered 6 K’s in those 6 innings. Let’s see, he’s 22 years old, lefty, heater reaches 95, good slider, good changeup… He has also battled back from Tommy John surgery from a couple of years ago. Could the homeboy upstairs be evaluating him for a possible call-up?

By beachcomber

June 21, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Might it be time to slip Oscar into the rotation? Granted, we could probably only count on 5 or so innings but hopefully at the end of the five, the score would not be be 5 or 7 to nothing.

Oscar appears to be the only option we have right now. Doesn’t seem to be anything better out there on the trade market or in the system.

By wg

June 21, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

DOB. When do you think the B’s will give Oscar V. the chance to start. Nothing has worked in the back of the order (let alone the front}. I hope Boras is loosing sleep over Andruw but I also hope AJ snaps out of it quickly. Do you think we are missing the boat with the Mets doing so bad. Even if we get hot, the Mets are due to get hot also. We should be up 6 to 8 games. And don’t forget the Phillies, they are hanging tough and if the Braves don’t put some distance between them, it could cost us.

By N8

June 21, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Whitesnake

By Robert

June 21, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

“Yes. But so can luck, power pitching, a dominant closer, great defense, a balanced lineup. How can we be so sure it is all the manager?”

Shaun - yes, in any one case there can be any of a number of other reasons

But when it happens over and over again.

Shaun, you either believe that there were 15 seperate fatal flaws or unfortunate circumstances (forget for a moment that luck, good or bad, is often at least partially made), or you take the common sense approach and ask yourself what was common to all the teams that failed

Ocham’s razor.

By beachcomber

June 21, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

wg - great minds……

By Jersey Gil

June 21, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Voice of reason I post yesterday question about JOJo reyes promotion, and then i went to Rbraves web side and yes his first outing was excellent. DOB Did you saw my post about the two play in the phillis games last night?

By Lee

June 21, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Something tells me this could be Davies last start for the Braves, especially if the Tigers unload on him this weekend. I think James would be best suitable for the 4th pitching slot anyway. This series may just prompt some another trade or two by the time it is over.

By Sgt. Friday, just the facts, ma'am

June 21, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

First off , this isn’t a “Fire Roger McDowell” post. I’m simply making some observations and comparisons between he and Leo.

Leo isn’t coming back to Atlanta. He’s under contract with the O’s. Even though Perlozzo was fired, Leo wasn’t. So the “replace Roger with Leo” chants will not be answered.

Any assumptions made have to be made based on media accounts and on field performance. None of us, with the exception of DOB, are privy to the inside workings of the team. Even though that’s the way it is, fans see the results of the product that Atlanta puts on the field.

Roger gets the “good guy” award from the players it seems. Leo was viewed as a hardass, curmudgeon. It was said that Leo couldn’t relate to Davies and HoRam. That was part of the problem with those two, Leo’s inability to relate to them. Roger was supposed to be better in that department. The staff has repeatedly come to Roger’s defense., so therefore they must like him a lot.

HoRam and Davies neither responded to Roger. At least their performance was no better under Roger so I guess that theory wasn’t valid. They may like Roger better than mean ole’ Leo, but their performance is no better.

Leo hasn’t exactly brought the O’s to the top of the AL East with his pitching staff, but the starters ERA was in the top 4 in the league until the recent streak that cost Perlozzo his job. They also lost Bensen for the year so he hasn’t contributed. The pen has still been trouble for the O’s.

The Braves have managed to cover up some of their payroll shortcomings year after year by getting a cheap reclaim project to help the pitching corp. Names like Burkett and Wright come to mind. Leo didn’t make them Cy Young winners, but he was able to make them contributors to winning some games. For some reason the Braves could pick some of these guys off the scrap heap and Leo could help them find themselves.

Roger absolutely does not have that type of ability. At least in the past 2 years he’s been here, he has no result with any pitcher.that would say he was capable of working wonders. The Redman’s of the world aren’t going to magically come to Atlanta and turn their careers around like they used to so the Braves may as well get used to the idea that they are going to have to develop in the minors or buy free agents who already know how to pitch. As a side light, Peterson of the Mets is a guy who can do what Leo does. Sosa and Oliver Perez are examples.

It’s not surprising that the pitchers would rally around a good guy like McDowell even if an A-hole like Leo can get better results.

I think the Braves lost some of their edge when Leo left. Cox is a good guy, a players manager. The good cop. Leo is a gruff, cantankerous, cranky somebody. He is the bad cop. The good cop (Cox) needed a bad cop to ride their butts. Bobby is the Yin to Leo’s Yang.

With Roger, you got two Yins’. Two good guys.

Maybe there are just too many good guys running this club.

When Leo was working magic in Atlanta, the Atlanta media seemed to think he was something special. When he left, it was like he was nothing special. I don’t understand that turnaround.

Looks like Roger may get the reputation like Cox has. Everyone wants to come to Atlanta to play for Cox. Funny thing is, I haven’t seen anyone taking less money to come to Atlanta to play for Cox. Yeah Smoltz took less money to stay, so did Andruw. But the outsiders aren’t coming here for less than top dollar. Sure, they are going to fill out the obligatory, every season, questionnaire put out by the press asking players where they would like to go if they had to leave their current team. Lots of the them answer “The Braves.” That’s nice to know. That and a couple of dollars will get you a coffee at Starbucks.

By FSU Brave

June 21, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Come on DOB, don’t hate on Fogerty. With heartless hardheads like Andruw, we could use some players that take the “Centerfield” spirit to heart.

By AZBravoFan

June 21, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, A couple questions: 1) Do you think Buehrle is on the Braves radar screen? Seems to be one of the best available on teams falling out of it. I know he’s expensive and might not stay, but can they afford to let him go to the Mets? Surely we can offer a better package than Lastings Milledge, right? 2) What’s with the reluctance to let Villareal start a couple ballgames? Surely he’s more valuable throwing 5-6 solid innings and giving them a chance to win than coming in down by 5 and wasting 3-4 solid innings while the offense mails it in. As bad as the offense has been, it really all comes back to pitching. I think the offense showed early in the year that if you keep the game close, they can lock in and put together a rally. They even showed that in Minnesota and Cleveland. But when you start games down by 4 or 5 in the first couple innings, they start pressing and it all snowballs from there.

By BossLady

June 21, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

I’m really gonna have to pull out all the loyalty and support I an muster after seeing those batting numbers DOB. I guess I’ll have to invite over my broke cousin and serve steaks, seafood and beer to survive this series. Otherwise, I’m sure I would say some not so nice things about him and the Braves. I should get some points from somewhere for this.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

DOB - Well DOB, I didnt actually rephrase your words, tho I would if I wanted to. I said something totally different.

Instead of rephrasing your words, I’ll critique them instead. I think your comment that noone could beat Boston in a seven game series unless something changed dramatically is nothing more than making a sorry apologistic excuse for Bobby Cox.

Matter of fact, I’ll wager you right now that the Red Sox wont be the AL WS team this year. They’re the third best team in the AL, at best

The patient has been shot and is bleeding profusely. I propose that we quit arguing about what brand of foot powder to use on his athlete’s foot and start doing something about the bleeding

Note, I didnt say talking about doing something about the bleeding

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Robert,

Yes. I’ll take the common sense approach:

The Braves failed as often as they did in the postseason because they either didn’t have enough power pitching, a great closer or great defense or all of the above in any of the years they were in the post-season or they happened to fall on the wrong side of series that could have gone either way.

Have you looked into what actually increases your chances in the post-season? If you had, you’d see that it’s not only possible but likely that the Braves didn’t win in the post-season because they didn’t have the things that increase your chances to win while their opponents did. Here you go, I’ll make it easy for you:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=betweenthenumbers/billybeane/060405

There actually are variables that cause teams to succeed and fail in the post-season besides their manager. If you were capable of doing any research, you could see this. I just made it easy for you.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

AZBravoFan

Bradon Jones might be enough, but I doubt it. Teams like Milledge despite his attitude problem. Not to mention they have Carlos Gomez to trade.

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

You, who exist in a galaxy far—far away

You never did answer me yesterday. Ocham’s razor. Is that model made by Gillette?

By Rick Roberts

June 21, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

Make the Braves over—and, Bobby Cox needs to manage this team more aggressively. Was in MN for the Twins series—Ron Gardenhire is a great manager and managed circles around Bobby! You never know if the Twins will hit and run, run and hit, bunt, steal a base, double steal, suicide squeeze, etc. Therefore, the Braves’ defense had to be on edge. Conversely, teams facing the Braves can sit back on defense and wait for the ball to be hit to them. The Twins have fewer athletes and no more speed than the Braves, yet they get the job done and beat you. Ron Gardenhire is probably the best manager in baseball. As far as AJ, just get rid of him—he swings for the fences every pitch—all he did in MN was pop the ball up—yanked his head on his swing and was an easy out. Yunel Escobar was very impressive and should play every day—this kid is the real deal. Renteria plays great; KJ is weak on defense; Salty needs to go back down and play catcher; Willie must be in the lineup for speed; Chipper should be in the AL as DH—very good hitter, but too fragile; Jeff, well, gets himself out, too much; Matt Diaz should platoon at 1B with Thorman; Kyle Davies should be traded just like MacBride was—get a more refined SP from the AL? Some team would take a chance on him. Moylan looks great. Hudson is erratic, but pitched well in MN. As far as Bobby, why in the heck didn’t you put Thorman in at 1B for Salty in the ninth in game 3? And, why did you bring in Wickman? Soriano faced two hitters in the 8th inning and blew them away—you could see that the Twins’ hitters didn’t want to face him. No, Bobby brings in Wickman—why? Is it etched in stone that the closer always has to pitch the 9th? Bobby lost that game for the Braves—no doubt about it. Upper management should insist changes be made. The Braves have to manufacture more runs, Bobby and JS. Put Harris as leadoff hitter followed by KJ, then Renteria, McCann, Chipper, Francoeur, Diaz, and Thorman. Forget AJ—he is an automatic out—never advances a runner! The Braves need a SP, but have the talent to win the Division if, Bobby changes his tactics. We must put the defense on alert for opposing teams—pitching will improve as well if we get more runs on the board. I also like Jo Jo Reyes and any young pitcher we can bring up. Again, get rid of AJ and Davies—get some people in who can help the team. We are very fortunate the Mets are losing right now—changes can put the Braves back in the lead—no changes and we’ll get buried by the Mets, Phillies and Marlins.

By TheCutMan

June 21, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

I just heard that Detroit has the highest TEAM batting average in the majors, having gone into last night’s contest with an aggregate .295 average.

Are you kidding me????? .295 TEAM BA? Safe to say the Braves’ collective ERA will take a hike northward over the next few games?

By Robert

June 21, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Wonderful. The players love Bobby AND Roger. Leo was no good at all because he was a curmudgeon.

Look, if what we are concerned about is how happy the players are, why dont we just eliminate the stress we are causing them by forcing them to play nine innings 6 days a week

Just ask Scott Boras how much they are worth, pay them twice that much, have them entertain us with batting practice and maybe a few winds sprints (voluntary of course) and end it all early enough for them to make a 9AM tee time

By ncscoots

June 21, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Isn’t Lerew due off the DL? Is he in Bobby’s doghouse or something? There’s a guy I’d like to see get a couple of healthy starts, before the Braves start dealing for whatever I’m-breathing-so-I-must-be-worth-trading-for pitcher.

By Braves20

June 21, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

This just in - Girardi turns down the Orioles job. Wise beyond his years.

By rammerjammer

June 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

I credit Bobby Cox for keeping the Braves in the race. That’s right…Bobby Cox.

He was counting on double-digit wins from Hampton. Lost him.

He was counting on a flame-throwing lefty in the pen. Lost him.

He was counting on a .300-hitting supersub. Lost him.

He was counting on a monster season from a star in his walk year. Not happening.

He was counting on a second-straight awesome season from his young catcher. Not happening.

He was counting on a 135-game or more season from his superb third baseman. Not happening.

He has one, maybe two, reliable starters.

He has been forced to stitch together a rotation and a starting lineup using retreads, castoffs and kids.

And through it all, they are one-and-a-half games out of first place. Amazing.

Don’t give me talk about a weak division. The fact the Braves are competitive, much less in contention, is remarkable.

By Soul Man

June 21, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Man, I’ve been reading this thing daily - several times daily - since it started and I love it. Tell the AJC columnists who use stadium attendance to judge how passionate our fans are to read this blog everyday for a week. Braves fans not passionate? Surely you jest. DOB, I live in Athens and we’re having our huge annual indie rock festival - AthFest - all over downtown this weekend. Maybe you could enjoy some Sunday before covering that night’s game? Do you ever get over to Athens, seeing as how your musical taste is one I can actually respect?

By Jersey Gil

June 21, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

hey guys the Phillis is going to Trade Pat “Mendoza” Burrell for Andruw “Mendoza” Jones and also withen the famous Phanatic…that a deal

By Robert

June 21, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

“When Leo was working magic in Atlanta, the Atlanta media seemed to think he was something special. When he left, it was like he was nothing special. I don’t understand that turnaround.”

It’s understandable ONLY if you are a Donk apologst.

In actuality, it is , at best, sour grapes, but more likely just pure intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy.

The Atlanta media alters, distorts, misrepresents, or selectively references the facts as needed to maintain and perpetuate the MYTH of Donk.

And Braves fans not only drink the Kool-Aid, they ask for seconds and feed it to their kids

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Robert,

Are you insane? If the Red Sox aren’t the best team in the AL (and baseball) they certainly are the 2nd or 3rd best.

And I would take the field over any one team to win the World Series, no matter how good that team is.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Milton Bradley was just designated for assignment. Braves won’t look to him, but the Mets most definetly will.

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

DOB

A new blog, poor favor. Else, I am going to have to bring in a relief squirrel for my scroller.

By beachcomber

June 21, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Rammerjammer - good points re: Bobby Cox. I’m obviously forgetting something. Who is the .300 supersub we lost?

My only disagreement is with your analysis of our starting line-up. Granted, AJ is in a terrible funk and we probably haven’t discovered the answer at first base but the rest of the line-up seems pretty solid and poised for the future.

By Jersey Gil

June 21, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Last night games on FSN, i saw a Promotion for Friday Games you get a free Signed Authograh Baseball from Woodward & Davies if you buy a ticket in thru the internet. Some one have to tell the Marketing Director of the braves to come with a better idea than that. Who want an autograh from Woodward or Davies….

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Saying the U. of Florida basketball team couldn’t beat the Spurs is nothing more than making a sorry apologistic excuse for Bill Donovan. Right, Robert?

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Last night games on FSN, i saw a Promotion for Friday Games you get a free Signed Authograh Baseball from Woodward & Davies if you buy a ticket in thru the internet. Some one have to tell the Marketing Director of the braves to come with a better idea than that. Who want an autograh from Woodward or Davies….

JERSEYGIL, truer words were never spoken.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Shaun, we just have to agree to disagree.

When you have 5-8 future HOFers on the team year after year and cant bring home the bacon until you face perhaps the biggest retard to manage in the bigs in 100 years, that says something

You try and tell me that you have some analysis of some data that says that Maddux and Glavine cant help you win in the playoffs, and I’m telling you that means your analysis of the data is flawed. Plain and simple

Look, I appreciate the fact that you use real stats and sabermetric analyses in your discussions. That is light years ahead of what most on this blog do

But I have serious issue with the way you interpret the data at times. I think you’re trying to prove a point, and find some subset of data and analyze it a particular way to find support for the hypothesis you set out to prove

I’m sure you fell that I do the same

And I wont try and say that my viewpoint and analysis doesnt have some bias. I am not about to do the volume of analysis necessary to come up with data that are sufficiently probabilistically bias and error free to be able to publish in “Nature”

Maddux and Glavine might well be THE greatest longstanding one-two punch in baseball HISTORY. If you cant bring home the bacon with them, PLUS Smoltz and company,you got no business trying

By Robert

June 21, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

The Braves failed as often as they did in the postseason because they have had a donkey managing them for the last seventeen years

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Soul Man, I’m off Sunday. You saying it’s gonna be a great day for me to ride my motorcycle over there and check out some tuneage? Because I gotta tell you, that sounds like a great idea.

I hadn’t heard of AthFest. Who’s playing?

OK, I’ll check for your answer later. Gotta get on said motorcycle now and go to the record store.

By Name # 32

June 21, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Things have come full circle in my life!

I remember in my youth, going to Fulton County Stadium to watch some of the best teams in baseball play. I remember rooting for my beloved Braves as they took on some of the best the National League had to offer. I knew there was a chance I was going to see a team that was going the World Series that year., only it wasn’t the Braves, it was the visiting team.

In the nineties, that changed. My beloved Braves were the team that was one of the best in the National League. They were the team that had a shot at going to the World Series. I loved it! The team I was rooting for was actually the better team on the field!

This Friday, I’m coming to Atlanta again to watch a great team with a chance of winning a world championship. The Tigers. As Ernie used to say when our pitching staff was getting shellacked in the good old days, “It’s time to get the married men out of the infield.”

This could be a really ugly series from the Braves standpoint. The old Milwaukee saying may be appropriate. “Its Smoltz and……….and………and……pray for rain!”

By Lee

June 21, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Jersey Gil -

Maybe their relatives would want an autograph beyond that I haven’t a clue.

By Coach (NOT DRINKING THE KOOL AID)

June 21, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

All this focus on adding another pitcher to the rotation , does anybody realize that the offense has gone completely into the tank ? The Braves are scoring two runs less(3.45) a game than they were two months ago(5.36). How will another arm help if we can’t score enough to win ? Priority people , fix the offense and then the pitching. If the Braves cannot do both , they are fooling themselves if they think just pitching will turn this team back into a winner.

By Chop Chop

June 21, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

rammerjammer, it’s also remarkable that the Mets have lost 15 of their last 20 games. I think that has more to do with the Braves being in contention than anything else. The Braves have only gone 8-12 in their last 20…and they’ve actually gained 3 games in the standings. I do agree that Bobby Cox is doing a good job when you consider the rags he’s been dealt this year. Unfortunately, Bobby’s a creature (wait…not a creature…hands off the keyboard, Robert) of habit and tends to rely on the talent on the roster to right itself. He’s never going to light anyone up in public or question his team’s manhood. His laid-back approach works well with some teams and not so well with others. This year’s team is an example of the latter. Some fire and brimstone from Bobby now might go a long way to waking some guys up to the fact that this team in the hunt.

By StingerSplash

June 21, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Pete and Skip last night on the radio before the game both said the key to the Braves is starting pitching and the lack of it thereof. I posted on the Vent blog (I feel dirty for that, you know, like talking to the blonde at the bar before going home and telling the honey, nah, we just baffled each other with sports trivia tonight, nothing serious. But I digress. A lot.) that it’s time for the Braves two homegrown pitchers, Davies especially and James to some extent to s—- or get off the pot. James is at best a No. 4 guy right now and Davies is a No. 5 1/2 starter. Along with the reclamation project of the week at No. 5, that means the Braves go 3-4-5 with guys who are no guarantees to get past the fifth inning consisently. That taxes a bullpen like Massachusetts does its residents. And as a lifelong Sox fan too, I don’t care much for the Johnny come latelys or the celebrity fans. WTF were they in 72, 75, 77, 78…? Me? Following Sox in the box scores, listening to Pete/Skip/Ernie Sr. and the likes of Milo Hamilton and Darrell Chaney.

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Mr. Solo, come left 180degrees. Scotty, give us full-warp speed. We are being approached by a HUGE black hole.

By rammerjammer

June 21, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

beachcomber,

Thanks. The .300 supersub was Willy Aybar. He hit .313 last season with a .373 OBP.

The lineup has been less-than-hoped-for from C, 1B, 3B and CF. Not criticizing McCann and Chipper…injuries happen. And I think Thorman may come around.

I agree that we have a bright future; I’m just amazed we even have a reasonable present.

By mike

June 21, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Robert: How about you mock people for minor typing mistakes again while misspelling words in the process.

Idiot!

When will school get back in session so that you can re-join your middle school buddies in class?

By Name # 32

June 21, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Wonder if Tommy Boggs can still throw?

By AZBravoFan

June 21, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Rick Roberts: Um…exactly what about Ron Gardenhire and his Twins’ 36-34 record make him the best manager in baseball and that much better than the Braves? beachcomber: I believe the .300 hitting super-sub was Daryl Ward.

By Bob

June 21, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Jersey Gil,

FSN has corrected that marketing ad. Instead it will be Orr and Woodward.

By Lee

June 21, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

The best team in baseball this year just might be the one coming to town and not the one that just left town.

By Soul Man

June 21, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Sunday is the sort of get away day, but the Drive-By Truckers are playing at 7. Lots of bands you’ve never heard of otherwise, but it’s great because there are lots of venues so you walk around, get a taste of what each band offers and you might find a diamond in the rough. I just thought with the music you groove on, this could be your kind of thing. www.athfest.com

By Randy

June 21, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

DOB - Not to step on Soul Man’s lines, but I live in Athens as well. A little band I think you like, the Drive by Truckers, is closing out Athfest on the main stage Sunday at 7 ( www.athfest.com ). Every club has shows Friday and Saturday, but all the music is on the outdoor stage on Sunday. Always one of the best weekends of the summer in Athens.

By TennesseePaul

June 21, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

ncscoots: With you on Lerew. His start against the pirates was brutal but he was going in front of friends and family with a bum arm…

Lew: I had not noticed that, but I am curious about this kid. Hope they don’t rush him up too fast and ruin him.

By Jersey Gil

June 21, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Again i post this early this moring: If about this two play in the Phillis/Indian game last night.. 1st…6th inning Lieber was release becuase injury..after two ball pitch the catcher went to the mount and the UMP told both bench that is a visit to the mount.Why…i don’t know 2nd…7th inning Indian has man in first Howard was behind the runner not covering first…the pitcher tried a pick up and hit the runner..the ball roll near the bullpen and the UMP say that the runner can’t advance in that play…uhmm ??? What wrong with that Picture…any onr outher explain that…Coach….

By Lee

June 21, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Can Michael Vick pitch? Maybe the Braves can try another Deon Sanders type deal. Vick may have some spare time on his hands anyway if he is suspended from football.

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Rammerjammer, loved your 2:13.

Shaun, I also loved you asking Robert if he was insane.

Drive by Truckers will be ATHfest on Sunday night.

By Drama

June 21, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Lee,

If the Tigers had a decent bullpen, I would agree with you. I still think Boston is the most complete team. In the national league, I think the Padres are the team to beat. When you can throw Peavy and Young in a short series, thats pretty good (throw in a solid bullpen too) Hey DOB, what do you think of the new White Stripes album?

By rammerjammer

June 21, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

chop chop,

When I look at the rotation, I’m amazed we’ve done as well as 8-12 in the last 20.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

June 21, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

DOB,

Athfest is a good opportunity to go see the Drive-By Truckers with their newest line-up, sans Isbell. You should go and give us a report on how they sound with John Neff back on the pedal steel. I hear he fits in well and I really liked his sit-in work on Blessing and a Curse, and Gangstabilly. Come on DOB. Be an ambassador for us. Take one for the team….

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

http://www.athfest.com/festival/music/outdoor.html

By Ron

June 21, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Robert, One question for you, IF, and it is a big if, but if the Braves WIN the World Series this year, you gonna give Bobby Cox any credit at all? It is a simple question, type Yes or No!!! Dont say anything different!!!

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Ron He was in his room playing with Peter the Train. Why get him back in here with the adults?

By ncscoots

June 21, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

I think fixing the offense hinges on a single thing: Andruw has to hit. If he does, the Braves will score plenty of runs. If he doesn’t, they won’t. Without his bat, the young guys press to make up for it, with an end result of their performance suffering, also. If he’s mashing, the young guys will probably hit better, too. At least, that’s my opinion.

Yeah, they need better starting pitching, but more offense should help the younger pitchers relax a little, too. That might be all that’s needed in that department, who knows?

By Chop Chop

June 21, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

rammerjammer,

I’m with you on that. The Braves could very easily have the same record as the Mets over the last 20 games. They’ve just managed to hit a little bit more over that timeframe. However, after two straight shutouts, I hope the Braves’ bats aren’t attempting to mirror the bad starting pitching. If the poor hitting continues, this blog might destroy the AJC’s servers.

By TennesseePaul

June 21, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Found this on ESPN. Thought it was interesting. But, these types of rumours, while exciting, are a little frightening as well. Who we trade would mean more to me than who we get for 2 months.

• The Mets have been the team most linked to a Mark Buehrle trade. But the buzz among baseball people we’ve surveyed is that the Braves are much more interested than the Mets are. An official of one club that has been kicking around ideas with Mets GM Omar Minaya says this of anyone who thinks the Mets would trade Lastings Milledge for Buehrle (or any rent-a-player): “They’re nuts.” The Mets would talk about Milledge only in a deal for a power arm they could control until at least 2009. (Hmmm. Dontrelle Willis, perhaps?).

• The Braves, meanwhile, don’t want to wait much longer to upgrade their rotation. So we’re hearing they’ve been feeling out a bunch of teams in search of a starter — young or established — that they can slot behind John Smoltz and Tim Hudson. They’re not interested in those Mike Maroth fifth-starter type arms that are out there, though. So Buehrle, says one executive who has talked to them, “fits just about every scenario” they’re shopping for. But the White Sox haven’t flipped the “sell” switch yet. So the Buehrle Mart won’t open until at least the first week of July.

—Jayson Stark

By MBATL

June 21, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Anybody think it’s worth looking into obtaining Milton Bradley, who was DFA’d today? I know he’s hurt a lot, and has an attitude, but from what I know he’s really not disliked by teammates, not a “clubhouse cancer.” He’s supposedly healthy now.

He’s a CF who can hit. If nothing else, send down one of our middle infielders, and get Bradley as a backup OF and pinch hitter.

I know he wants to play every day, so maybe he’d be a head case in that role. Who knows, with our player-friendly management, maybe we could find the good in him, and make him our CF when AJ leaves.

I’m not pushing it - don’t know him that well - just wondering if it might be a cheap way to add some pop to the lineup.

By TennesseePaul

June 21, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Meltdown Bradely is fired. The report had this interesting line in it:
Because he has more than three years of major league service time, Bradley can refuse an assignment to the minor leagues.
So, that would mean after this season, Orr no longer has options… Or I guess he has more options, depending on how you look at it. He can opt not to go to the minors. If we send him down now, we prolong his time in a Braves uniform. If we want to do that…

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

You know, I could actually understand Robert’s argument if Bobby Cox was the only common denominator in all the Braves post-season failures (although he was also there the one time they won it all) if he actually could account for the other variables that make a difference in the post-season—power pitching, great closer, great fielding, luck. But he knows there’s no way he can and he’s too lazy to do the research so he just blames Bobby Cox.

It doesn’t take much digging to see that there are other variables strongly in play besides the manager and a team’s play in the regular season when it comes to winning and losing in the post-season.

By TennesseePaul

June 21, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

MBATL: Meltdown does not fit the Braves profile. I hope he doesn’t join the Braves. I had to sit through that disaster out here in LA. He’d yell at the fans and throw stuff at them. Rip his jersey off and challenge them to fights. Fight his teammates if they called him out for slacking. Constantly in the news with domestic violence issues, speeding, boozing, and utter disrespect for police officers. Just bad news all the way around. The last Moneyballer to have him just dumped him. He was big with the moneyballers, but even they acknowledged his person does more harm than his skills do good for the team.

By Lew

June 21, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

TenPaul-You’re right. BC, no matter what Robert might think of him, wouldn’t put up with Bradley’s crap for five minutes. I’d still like to know what McBride did to offend the Braves brass.

By MBATL

June 21, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

‘nuff said, 10Paul. I didn’t know it was that bad.

BTW, thanks for the post on Stark’s comments. Glad to hear the Bravos are looking for quality.

By beachcomber

June 21, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

rammer and AZ fan - Thanks I truly had forgotten about both of them. Really would have been nice to have Ward’s bat off the bench. I think the loss of Willie A might be a wash given the play of Escobar.

By Cooper

June 21, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Another great band playing AthFest is The Pendletons. And yes, their name is a reference to our favorite Terry.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

“Saying the U. of Florida basketball team couldn’t beat the Spurs is nothing more than making a sorry apologistic excuse for Bill Donovan. Right, Robert?”

No. But if UF beat the Buffalo Bills and you claimed it was because of the refs, that would be a sorry apologistic excuse for Marv Levy

By Robert

June 21, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

“Are you insane? If the Red Sox aren’t the best team in the AL (and baseball) they certainly are the 2nd or 3rd best.”

Shaun, if you think I am insane, then accept my wager.

The Red Sox are a good team. A very good team. I think the Tigers are better, and that the Angels, Yankees (yes) and Indians could all have a good chance against them (or anyone) in a 7 game series

By AZBravoFan

June 21, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Oops, forgot about Aybar. Out of sight, out of mind I guess.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

The number of folks named after you is not an indication of your fame or the size of your family but rather, DOB.

I have no problem with Robert’s spelling … no, it’s not pertinent. The main difference between the two of us may simply be one of punctuation … he would say “I’m pertinent” while I would say he’s impertinent.

If Robert’s objective is to encourage to have fun at his expense, then he is succeeding … if it’s to demonstrate his deftness in being a redundant irritant, he’s been there and done that too, but if it’s to influence folks to rationally consider the reasons for the Braves’ successes and failures, then methinks he’s trying to make his point the hard way.

Mama always said that “if you continue argueing with the judge after making your point, you’ll find yourself being held in contempt” … and Mama was usually right.

Maybe Robert’s not pertinent but neither is he unique.

No, the “e” wasn’t a mistake … Mama was just trying to help me out ‘cause I read with my ears … just like I usually say David O’B instead of DOB ‘cause to an actuary, DOB means date of birth.

I know today is an off day, it’s too bad we have so many.

Take care mon amie … Robert auch!

By Robert

June 21, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Ron asked “Robert, One question for you, IF, and it is a big if, but if the Braves WIN the World Series this year, you gonna give Bobby Cox any credit at all? It is a simple question, type Yes or No!!! Dont say anything different!!!”

Yes

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Bye the bye, “music” fans, I live up here just miles from Bonnaroo. Did any of you attend?

By Double Deuce

June 21, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

I understand when a team struggles in a certain area , that Coach will take a hit. But to call for Roger McDowell to be replaced by Leo Mazzone is a feeble attempt to bring back the Braves staff of old, and it ain’t going to happen like that again…ever. Did Leo make the staff good, or did he just benefit from the talent he had? I think he benefited more from having the staff he had than they did from having him around. I believe he was a good pitching coach who profited from an organizational approach to pitching and happened to be the man in the right spot. Sorry, know that’s an unpopular view, but that’s my opinion. I think McDowell will be a fine pitching coach given the chance and talent.

I don’t understand either the criticism of Bobby for using Soriano, or the excuses made for him when he pitches poorly. We have an off day today and I believe it was his turn to be up, so give him the work. This stuff about not being able to pitch in blowout situations is a cop out. You get paid millions of dollars a year to pitch and last time I checked it was pitch when the team asks you to, not just when you want to. Period. So suck it up and pitch the way you’re capable of like the rest of the guys in the pen, and accept it when its not your day. Happens to everyone, they just don’t get a pass like Soriano.

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

I am still trying to figure out whether Cox is Robert’s lone gunman patsy for the dead postseasons or whether some powerful people are using Robert’s sick obsession with Bobby to set Robert up as the lone gunman patsy if something bad should happen to Cox.

Tough to figure that one out. But if the latter is correct, Robert, your obsession is making it awfully easy for them them to set you up as the lone gunman patsy.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

We just celebrated what would have been Daddy’s 94th birthday and hopefully you’ll pardon this short I love you rememberance … mostly to make up for all the times I wished I had and didn’t.

He’s the one one who first took me out to the ball game, and though he didn’t sing the song, he did introduce me to Dixie Walker and Whitlow Wyatt … Country Brown and Mr. Mann too!

Daddy never questioned Polinous’ wisdom concerning the lending of money, but he added that if you so do, those of good breeding don’t bring up the subject after the fact.

I didn’t put that in quotes, for though my father was often quoted, he didn’t like it when he was misquoted and wouldn’t want anyone to think he was an idiot who ever said something like “so do” … other than that, the quote is his.

I say “goodness” a lot … I got that from Daddy and usually say it when I want really want to say something else … the time I best remember was his one word response when he hit his thumb so hard with a hammer that it brought blood.

Maybe not the smartest, but certainly among the wisest, and absolutely the best!

Love you Daddy!

Goodness!

By MGL

June 21, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Great article on Willie Harris on Braves.com. Seems like he has helped out some other players - perhaps he can help AJ.

By Ron Roberts

June 21, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

I just wish folks would stop inquiring about us picking up players other teams drop. Folks, they get dropped for a reason, and we gotta stop being the scrap heap pickers and start being hot stove league players.

The Buehrle talk seems to point towards a move in a week or two with Lillibridge or Saltalamacchia involved. I can’t believe Yunel Escobar isn’t brought up, but I’m also glad that’s the case. That kid’s come up and been essentially what we were expecting to have off the bench (or spot-filling for Chipper/Renteria) from Willy Aybar.

And DO’B I’m almost a little disappointed in ya. Why are you even bothering trying to make sense of Robert? C’mon, I thought ya gave up on reading his reckless rants long ago, didn’t ya?

I still don’t see why the Braves don’t move Oscar Villa(keepin’ it)real to the rotation now and before a move is made to shore up the rotation. I’m telling ya, I think the guy would do no worse than what Chuck James has, and that makes us four deep with good-to-decent starters. DO’B has that ever come up when Q&Aing with the Braves braintrust? Is there an official line on their reasoning not to use him in the rotation?

Seems to me if we’re going to use the Buddy Carlyle’s of the world, i’d rather use him in mop-up duty after a starter implodes. Fact is, all season long, we’ve not had *one8 start from Smoltz, Hudson or James like we got from Carlyle last night, or like Redman earlier in the season. Even on their bad nights, they usually keep us in the game. So if we throw Oscar in the rotation, I firmly believe he’d do no worse than that, and that we’d be in more games than we are when the Carlyles, Lerews, Redmans, Cormiers, et al start.

Moving Oscar to the rotation is why I said earlier we could improve this team if we can only make one key move by going for offense and tinkering with the rotation in-house.

That being said, the goal’s to win it all, and I’m just not confident we have a big three rotation once we get into the playoffs to compete. I think we have a big one and the moderate two behind him. And with our offense doing what it does against quality pitching (and/or lefties, in general), it just looks bleak. I guess that’s why I thought it might be better to try and improe this team with offensive firepower rather than obtaining a pitcher.

Think about it…if Oscar does what we’ve seen of him when he’s started before (and he’s done fairly well in long relief this year, too)then I think we’re a better team already. Teams that can’t hit don’t usually get far in the playoffs unless they have lock-down pitching, and one move isn’t going to give us that. That’s why I said if you can only upgrade one facet of the team, it should be offense, in my opinion.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

For those who know and want to be critical, Daddy would have actually been 96 … He never looked his age and maybe that why I was confused.

He frequently said when referring to his oldest, smartest and best looking, “I’m not old enough for Bobby to be my son … but his mother is!”

That I can quote without fear.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

I’d like to think the Braves wouldn’t deal Salty for Buerhle. I would probably lose all faith in JS. I would definetly trade Lillibridge and say Devine for Buerhle. Of course, Buerhle would be gone at the end of the year. Still, he is really the only starter out there that is worth going to get. Mike Maroth isn’t going to help this team. Buerhle would give them a solid three and James at 4 makes a lot more sense. Davies pitching in the fifth slot is all right, but I would then move Villareal into 5.

Matt Morris is another option, but I think he is owed 10 million next year. He sure isn’t worth that.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, personally I wish for a lot of things but wishing that folks would stop inquiring about us picking up players other teams drop is high on my list!

Time for food … for thought and consumption.

Later

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Well, since I can’t get any response to my Bonnaroo inquiry, and since HE won’t go away, I think I will call it a day. Maybe by tomorrow y’all will “speak” to me and—if we are lucky—some etymologist will have netted HIM.

Paladin, Paladin where do you roam, Out here in the sticks, ‘till they put me in the home.

—-Unknown

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Maybe Hampton will retire and we can sign Buerhle????

Wishful thinking.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Ron

I was closing down but saw your post while waiting for the computer to refresh.

I must say that I’m truly disappointed in Robert’reading ability … you were indeed straightforward and your instructions quite simple: “type Yes or No!!! Dont say anything different!!!”

The poor boy typed “yes” instead of “Yes or No!!!” as you had requested.

He’s young!

By Chief

June 21, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Robert - Seriously man, a lot of anger in there. I see how often, and what times of the day (and night) you post, and I have to ask myself, “what in the hell does this guy do?” Seriously Robert, get a freaking life and quit trying to annoy the hell out of the best beat writer the city has had in a long time. You are entitled to your opinion, and we all know what it is….WE GET IT. This will be the only post that I ever address to you, but seriously man, get over it. It’s old and tired and no one respects it.

By Kentavo

June 21, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

We need Buehrle or someone of his stature and ability to stop the bleeding. Who do we give up? Don’t know but hope it’s not Salty or Escobar, but it might be. And it’d be worth it if we could get Buerhle and then work out a contract extension, so we’d have a strong starting trio at least for a couple of years, while allowing James, Davies and whoever to develop with less pressure.

Davies and James, et al.’s struggles are more apparent because we need them to step up - in the past young pitchers, ala Millwood were kinda eased into the rotation one at a time, not three at a time. Even when we had Hampton, Ortiz and Thomson, that’s still a whole hell of alot more reliable than James, Davies, Carlyle, etc. Same thing with the regular lineup - we’d ease a couple guys into it each year - like Chipper, Javy and Klesko - to add to the established players. But now we’ve got three veterans at eight spots - and one of ‘em chips like a China doll, the other can’t hit the broadside of a barn with a wiffleball bat, which leaves Renteria as the teame’s real star. I love Rent, but he can’t carry the team all summer.

By Efrim

June 21, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

If I’m Ken Williams, I ask for Salty. JS would say no, then I would ask for Escobar and Devine. Lillibridge would be a nice bounty as well. But Escobar muct be included or there is no deal.

By Ohio Brave

June 21, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Buerhle would be worth the price if its a sign and trade deal, which is probably unlikley. Contreras might be worth a Prado or someone in a similar situation in the minors. He might not be THE answer, but it would be a start.

Anyone from the Sox bullpen is also probably available except Aardesma and Jenks. The only problem is that stink coming from Chicago isnt just the cubbies…

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Paladin, me too, at least south of Nashville … a lot of people would like to attend but nobody goes because there’s too many people there.

Man, it takes hours to get from just south of Manchester to BellBuckle, almost regardless of how you go.

Your sheriff is nice though, showed me a way … couple of years ago, all the way around through Shelbyville that works pretty good when no cows or sheep are blocking the road.

By Baron

June 21, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Ya’ll might have seen this already, but, from Jayson Stark at ESPN: • The Mets have been the team most linked to a Mark Buehrle trade. But the buzz among baseball people we’ve surveyed is that the Braves are much more interested than the Mets are. An official of one club that has been kicking around ideas with Mets GM Omar Minaya says this of anyone who thinks the Mets would trade Lastings Milledge for Buehrle (or any rent-a-player): “They’re nuts.” The Mets would talk about Milledge only in a deal for a power arm they could control until at least 2009. (Hmmm. Dontrelle Willis, perhaps?).

• The Braves, meanwhile, don’t want to wait much longer to upgrade their rotation. So we’re hearing they’ve been feeling out a bunch of teams in search of a starter — young or established — that they can slot behind John Smoltz and Tim Hudson. They’re not interested in those Mike Maroth fifth-starter type arms that are out there, though. So Buehrle, says one executive who has talked to them, “fits just about every scenario” they’re shopping for. But the White Sox haven’t flipped the “sell” switch yet. So the Buehrle Mart won’t open until at least the first week of July. Mark Buerle

By Kentavo

June 21, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

I guess what frustrates me most as a fan the last few years is that management sells us the “we’re competing for a championship” b.s. but in essence they are not, because of the payroll and the way it’s gobbled up by five players. I wish Liberty would open the purse a little bit and let us get a quality starting pitcher and add an impact bat. Otherwise, this is a .500 team stuck between the past and rebuilding. I’d almost rather see them trade Renteria, Chip and A.J. (yes I know the Jones boys have 10-5/trade refusal) to rebuild the pitching and go with a complete youth movement. I know I’m going in circles, but I do believe uprading the rotation will enhance the team’s overall performance. It’s tough when you’re put in a 5-0 hole and haven’t even come to bat yet.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, yes, I’ve personally asked Bobby about starting Oscar, a couple or three times in the past 9 months or so.

He always says he’s an option, that he can do it for sure, etc, but then he ends up not doing it, primarily because he values him too much as the long man, a role he’s done quite well in.

As I’ve said, I thought he should have gotten the opportunity to start regularly some time ago. Perhaps now, or at least if Carlyle struggles next time out, Villarreal will get a crack at it.

He’s a good dude, likes pitching in any role. He’s funny, got a great sense of humor, but he’s quiet unless you ask him something. I called him Caballero one day when he walked through the clubhouse in some sharp cowboy boots and a western shirt. He liked that, but mentioned another name for Mexican cowboys. I forgot what it was.

By Paladin

June 21, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist I came in to shutdown the machine and saw your comment(s). I’m afraid you will have to speak for yourself about “a lot of people…” Now, if Jimmy Buffet, or Willie, or Merle were there—maybe. But, to go out in a cow pasture in July-like heat…I’d be hardpressed to get myself out there if Jesus was serving fish and crusty loaves of PepperRidge Farm bread.
My regards to you, Sir, and I loved your comments about your Father.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Just got tix to see Tom Morello tonight as the “The Nightwatchman,” doing his acoustic stuff at Smith’s Olde Bar. Gonna be a cool performance, I bet….

Disappointed to get to the store and find that Ryan Adams’ album isn’t out until next week. Wasn’t going to pay $16 for White Stripes. I’ll get it at Best Buy or some other huge play where they’ll have it on sale….

Did get a couple excellent CDs, including one by a band called “The Narrator” that sounds about as close as it gets to the Replacements kind of raw, real alt-rock in the 1980s.

Braveheart, do yourself a favor and get the CD “Human The Death Dance” by Sage Francis. Trust me, you’ll absolutely love it. He’s serious, political hip-hop/spoken word/rock/folk dude, very smart stuff and with great beats. You gotta get it. It just came out, and I listened on headphones at an indie record store and immediately had to buy it….

Bob, Journalist: Very well put, with this graph: “If Robert�s objective is to encourage to have fun at his expense, then he is succeeding � if it�s to demonstrate his deftness in being a redundant irritant, he�s been there and done that too, but if it�s to influence folks to rationally consider the reasons for the Braves� successes and failures, then methinks he�s trying to make his point the hard way.”

By Baron

June 21, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Sorry, I see the Stark Rumblings were already posted. Buehrle would be be a hell of a pickup but only if we could sign him beyond this season. Which may not be out of the question. He’s got Ace-like numbers, a lefty workhorse and only 28. We will have dollars available, with Andruw gone after this season and Hampton’s contract FINALLY off the books after 2008. Plus who knows how long we got Smoltz for? Buehrle looks like as good a bet as any to be long term #1 or #2 starter, so doesn’t a market value contract for him make sense?

Of course if Boras is his agent, or the Mets/Yanks start sniffing around… Let’s hope Buerhle’s got more sense than that…

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

Soul Man, others with AthFest info: Thanks. After Soul Man brought it up, I saw the poster for the four-day fest hanging on the window at old Don’s Ella Guru record store. Couldn’t believ when I saw Drive-By Truckers on the list, and now you’re telling me they’re playing Sunday night … that might be too good to pass up. Might have to do that.

Also saw the Whigs are there. Did they already play? No way they’re playing Sunday, right? That’d be a great show.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

“Ron

I was closing down but saw your post while waiting for the computer to refresh.

I must say that I’m truly disappointed in Robert’reading ability … you were indeed straightforward and your instructions quite simple: “type Yes or No!!! Dont say anything different!!!”

The poor boy typed “yes” instead of “Yes or No!!!” as you had requested.

He’s young! “

Now I’m confused. Was I or was I not supposed to type the “Dont say anything different!!!” part?

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

OK, just got a look at the PDF of the schedule. Whigs Saturday. Too bad. Also see Jack Logan’s playing Friday. That guy’s outstanding.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Jersey Gil

I don’t know Gil, they were playing in Cleveland and they do have some strange rules there … Cato once told me they had a special rule just to cover when Feller pitched … if the umpire saw that Bob got one over the plate, it was to count as two strikes just to make up for those he couldn’t see.

Regarding visits to the mound, it usually depends more on what is said than the circumstance.

The rules concerning players being hit by the ball, pitched, thrown, or batted … are complex and can be quite confusing. Umpires are stubborn and, like some of us, known to have made mistakes to which they won’t admit; not in public anyway.

However, incorrect calls that are rule based and not judgmental are generally met with the fiercest of opposition … and frequently reversed.

By Ohio Brave

June 21, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

DOB, try ranchero for Mexican cowboy…that or pendejo, lol j/k

and I just want to say (not that anyone cares, but I will feel beter) that I was massively disappointed not to be able to make any of the Brave games in cleveland. I had been looking forward to these games for a few years and ironically my parents who never visit from Atl visited but didnt want to babysit the two babies. I guess I’ll just have to settle for R-Braves in C’bus, again.

By David O'Brien

June 21, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Braves have definitely checked into Buehrle. Some of you guys who don’t think they have money to spend would be surprised at how high they’re aiming in efforts to get a starting pitcher.

And if they have to give up a top prospect to get one just for the rest of the season, they will do it. As I’ve said before, the Braves are playing to win now. Cox and Schuerholz aren’t going to empty the cupboard and do something that would undermine the team long-term, but if it means giving up one top prospect for a guy who’s not assured of being with them beyond this season, they will do it if it’s an impact guy who fills a big need, and Buehrle certainly fits that bill.

230 or more innings in four of past five seasons, 16 or more wins in four of the past six seasons — yes, he certainly fits the bill. But don’t know that you’d want to give him a long-term contract (which it will certainly take to re-sign him; he asked Sox for a five-year deal).

He has a lot of wear on that 28-year-old arm, including 21 complete games, and had a career-worst season in 2006. But he’s a stud.

He’s only 4-3 this season, but that’s more to do with his team. He’s pitched well, got the no-hitter and a 3.45 ERA, after posting a career-high 4.99 last season.

By Ron Roberts

June 21, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

DO’B… do ya see what I’m saying about the Braves essentially wasting Oscar’s good pitching though? We use him when we’re usually already blown out, and while he usually holds ‘em where they are or only gives up another run in his 3-4 innings after-the-damage, I can’t imagine we’ve actually taken advantage of his good work all that often and come back to win.

According to Baseball-Reference.com, we’re 4-21 when he pitches. Ouch. In those appearances, he’s only thrice given up more than 1 earned run, all three times in games he pitched just two innings. Other’n that, he’s held opponents to 1 run or fewer 22 times out of his 25 appearances.

See what I mean? Seems we’re wasting his solid efforts on games we can’t reclaim by the time he enters. That’s just how I see it.

FYI, all that talk of Athfest makes me long for a plate of fries with feta at The Grill in downtown Athens. Ever had, DO’B? Almost as good as sex.

By N8

June 21, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Kentavo

“I guess what frustrates me most as a fan the last few years is that management sells us the “we’re competing for a championship” b.s. but in essence they are not, because of the payroll and the way it’s gobbled up by five players.”

I’m gonna agree and disagree with you on that comment. Totally know where you are coming from. Either go all out, or “blow it up” since that phrase has been thrown around the last couple week. EVERY team in the offseason, up until April 1st (and beyond), is “competing for a championship. There is literally only a handful of teams that one could say has ZERO SHOT of “competing for the championship (Tampa, Kansas City and Washington - which aint’ gonna last long when they get their new stadium and some money to spend).

Also, I’m not so sure that most of the payroll being “gobbled up” by 5 players that is the problem. It’s the lack of production from a good chunk of those 5 players that is the problem.

Smoltz…Obviously no problem there. Worth every penny.

Hudson…Off and on again. But on the whole, I’d say he hasn’t been worth the money (especially the money he is GOING to make the next two years)

Chipper…Arguably STILL one of the Top 5 most productive players when healhy. Unfortunately, with his track record the last 2 seasons and so far this season, that ends up being about 60 percent of the games.

Hampton….No Brainer. NOT WORTH THE MONEY.

Andruw…Up until this year, worth every penny. He still has time to “turn it around” and earn his keep. But I have serious doubts that he will.

That is a LOT of money tied up in guys that aren’t cuttin’ the mustard as they say.

“I wish Liberty would open the purse a little bit and let us get a quality starting pitcher and add an impact bat.”

That isn’t gonna happen until the offseason, with other moves preceeding it, or following it. There is simply nobody to be “had” right now, even if we had the money to spend, without giving up some GREAT young talent. Not sure I’d do that right now.

“Otherwise, this is a .500 team stuck between the past and rebuilding. “

Has been for 3 years right now. JS has done a nice job of keeping our hopes up, with the influx of young talent that is good enough to be exciting, yet inconsistant enough to be very frustrating.

“I’d almost rather see them trade Renteria, Chip and A.J. (yes I know the Jones boys have 10-5/trade refusal) to rebuild the pitching and go with a complete youth movement.”

I’ve been saying the same thing for about a year now. Chipper ain’t going anywhere, and he shouldn’t. Andruw SHOULD HAVE been traded last summer, before he aquired 10/5 status. I said it then, and I’m not gonna back down now. JS dropped the ball on that one. As for Renteria, unfortunately, IMO, he is the best “trade bait” we have in the off-season, to upgrade our pitching, if a team is looking for a very good SS to bat in the 2, 3 or 5 hole in their lineup, for a very reasonable price. On the flipside, for those very reason’s, he would be a very good fit here for a couple more years. But if Escobar is not traded this year for pitching, and JS feels he’s ready to handle the job everyday next year, we could get a nice 3-4 starter for Renteria, I’m guessing.

Not sure what I’d do this season. I guess, keeping it “real”, I would trade some mediocre to above average prospects for a couple of “middle of the rotation” starters, and hope like hell Andruw comes alive, Chipper/Smoltz stay healthy and we can make a run at it, with this weak field in the NL.

Then in the offseason, assess what can be done, like trading Thorman, Renteria, or Salty (which would mean, seeing if Chipper is willing to play 1B). Letting Wickman walk. Letting Andruw walk.

I’m just not sure, that I trade all the youth (Salty, Escobar, etc…) to make a run this year. Another championship would be nice this year. But not at the risk of watching Salty tear it up on another team for the next decade, while the pitcher we traded him for leaves in a couple of years.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

Robert, when the waitress asks, “Soup or Sandwich?” the appropriate answer might well be yes … but it’s not the answer for which she was looking.

The answer to what you just asked is complex … no you weren’t supposed to type that part … but, yes, you were supposed to do one or the other … and it was impossible for you not to have so done!

You gave what most, well maybe just some, would say was the expected answer but I think you’re the only one in the ballpark that didn’t, if you didn’t, know that my comment to Ron was suggesting that “Yes or No!!!” instead of simply “Yes”, would have been my expectation.

Paladin, Thanks … my mother and my father were my best friends … and will always be my heroes. My other comments, including the Yogiism, were simply a reflection from multiple years past, sitting for hours on I24.

By Tyler

June 21, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

Here’s what I would do this year:

Trade Yunel Escobar for Buehrle. I think that would cover Buehrle for the most part. I hate to see Yunel go, but we do have Lillbridge coming up who looks outstanding, and it highly rated as a prospect.

Our lineup..1)KJ - 2B 2)Harris - CF 3)Renteria - SS 4)Chipper - 3B 5)Diaz - LF 6)McCann - C (Or Salty) 7)Franceour - RF 8)Thorman - 1B (Or Salty, but Thorman has been hitting well lately), and finally the pitcher.

As for the offseason:

Sign Buehrle to a contract extension of 3 years minimum. Re-sign Smoltz, and let go Andruw. We can find another CF or play Harris there. Keep Salty around, in case McCann gets hurt or he proves to be the best 1B we have. Lastly I would trade a prospect for another solid reliever, since Wickman is leaving most likely, and Gonzalez will not be back until June earliest. I was thinking someone who can pitch mid-long relief?

By chipdip

June 21, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

Saw the beatles last nite…..they rocked!!!!!!!!!

By Kentavo

June 21, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

I know I’m dreaming but here’s what I’d love:

A.J. and Escobar

for Buerhle and Dye.

That doesn’t really help the Sox tho since A.J.’s in walk year - they’d want somebody younger and cheaper.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

Ron, I’ve heard that those that can, do while those that can’t, talk … me, I can’t remember but I thought sex was a taboo topic on family Blogs, especially with all the youngsters out of school.

What’s better than something depends on how good the something is … like my sousemeat is better than my grits but not better than my banana puddin’ … while your puddin’ might not be any good at all.

We were the last in the neighborhood to get color TV … Daddy didn’t see the need, but after we did, he would watch cartoons if they were in color rather than the WSB News that was in Black and white. No, he didn’t really do that … it just seemed that way … I think the real reason was that he preferred channels 5 and 11 over Channel 2.

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

DOB, thanks for the Sage Francis rec. Will definitely have to check that out.

SSSSHHHHHHHH! There has been far too much noise coming out of this blog since everyone left work at 5.

By Ron

June 21, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

This is what Jayson Stark said in his Rumblings: The Braves are seen as a more likely suitor for Buehrle, once he’s truly made available in a week or two. Atlanta won’t settle for a Mike Maroth type. What would the Braves give up for Buehrle? Kenny Williams should pry away Jarrod Saltalamacchia if he can. Otherwise a package involving Brent Lillibridge or Brandon Jones would make sense

DOB, You said earlier that we would be willing to give up a top prospect for Buerhle, but of course not Salty, and I would not think Brandon Jones!!! Lillibridge yes, but I would be stunned if it is Brandon Jones the way people say he is the real deal!!! So the question is do you think Brandon Jones would be in the deal? I would be stunned if he is!!! And I would be beyond STUNNED if Salty is traded for him!!!

By bravefansince54

June 21, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this

(Mexican cowboy - might be called a “vacquero” - just a guess)

Anyhow, I don’t favor trading top young prospects trading youth (Salty, Escobar) to make a run this year. But when N8 says “I would trade some mediocre to above average prospects for a couple of “middle of the rotation” starters”, I have to wonder who. Thorman’s name gets mentioned a lot, and his numbers, well maybe not so good, but he’s young. Do we then pick up a wreck like Wally Joyner to play first. I think you give Thor more time.

Jason Schmidt is only the latest argument against high-priced multi-million/multi-year contracts. Anybody remember Mo Vaughn? Hampton clearly was a bad investment.

We were patient with Glavine and Avery and Millwood and Smoltz in their first years and it paid off. Stay with youth.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

One who shall not be named didn’t have the fortitude of the lower intestine to post but I did receive an email …

Math always did give you trouble — 2007 - 1911 = 96, nine times out of ten, at least in Georgia, Tennessee, and North Carolina. If you practice subtraction methinks you’ll get the hang of it eventually.

Plagiarizing George, I’m 1,000% sure that everything I write is funny … it’s just that no one else has a sense of humor. However, I am always appreciative when I receive email, even the timely serious ones, politely pointing out my mistakes.

If only that one had been timely … I received it 2 hours after my follow up post.

By chipdip

June 21, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

Jason stark loves a good cleveland steamer while giving a rusty trombone to steve phillips.

By Choppinmama

June 21, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this

Whew! Those last 18 innings have been BRUTAL. We all needed a day off to relax and regroup before we face El Tigres.

I’m headed north to the big A this weekend for a family wedding and will be headed to the field on Monday to catch one against the Nats.

Someone brought up the idea that the team might need some hugs to get them back into what we all have known in the past as “a good run”. So DOB, I’m volunteering!! Hope I catch you at bp. Just let security know I’m the “official hugger” and that I can “come on down”.

I also remember all of the words to Kumbaya if we need a group sing too.

By Wayne in Utah

June 21, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this

N8 Good post (long as heck, but good nonetheless).

I would agree with just about everything stated. If we were able to get Buehrle (I have a hard time spelling that name!) for say, one of these guys Lillibridge/Escobar/Renteria/BJones and one of our pitching prospects, say Harrison/Smith/Reyes, I would go for it.

I would like to see us pick up somebody like Jeff Conine also, to help out at 1B and off the bench.

A lot can be done for a team by adding a quality 2/3 starter. That makes a guy like Hudson your #3, James your #4, and then toss the dice for the 5th spot. We could live with someone like Davies or Lerew or Carlyle (or??) at #5 if we strengthen #2. All spots down the order get better. Hudson is better than James at 3, James is better than Davies at 4, and so on.

So, if we could pick up this guy, then I think we should go for it. I would hope that Andruw at some point might at least come a little closer to his 2006 output. If he could hit 260 with his normal power numbers just for 2-3 months, that would be an incredible boost.

The only other X-factor’s would be the injury bug, and how it might affect Chipper, who arguably can carry the team for 2-3 weeks when hot.

So, this is why I keep the hope up. I do agree that if it were my team, if things went into the dumper in the next 4 weeks, I would become a seller, using Hudson, Renteria, Willie and Wickman as trade bait. I love what Willie has done so far, and hopefully he will have a wonderful career, but I still doubt he can maintain it, until he proves it over 2 years. At best, I still look at him and Diaz as part-timers.

Whaddya think?

By Wayne in Utah

June 21, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Nate or anybody???

As Dave states that the Braves are aiming high, who are some other names that comes to mind. We have heard of Buehrle, Matt Morris in SF, Willis in Florida and Blanton/Harden/Haren in Oakland.

Would Oakland let us “fleece” them again. As poorly as Huddy has done at times since coming over, that was still a frickin steal!

Let’s throw some names out there….

By Robert

June 21, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

“You gave what most, well maybe just some, would say was the expected answer but I think you’re the only one in the ballpark that didn’t, if you didn’t, know that my comment to Ron was suggesting that “Yes or No!!!” instead of simply “Yes”, would have been my expectation. “

Bob, I understood that perfectly. My retort was sarcasm that I thought made it clear that I understood you perfectly

DOB said “they will do it if it’s an impact guy who fills a big need, and Buehrle certainly fits that bill”

If we end up getting Buehrle, and we dont win it all, I wonder whether DOB will change his opinion. Oh, he wont say in so many words that now thinks Buehrle isnt an impact player. But he could to side with Shaun’s reference toflawed analyses linking power pitching to playoff success - noting that Buehrle isnt a power pitcher.

By the way, if Cox teams of the mid-90’s had been loaded with power pitchers, the analyses Shaun refers to (bebause they look at what happened, and not at what should have happened) would be saying that finesse pitchers are what is best linked to playoff success

Why? Because the real link to playoff success is not having Bobby Cox as manager

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 8:51 PM | Link to this

Bobby says “Maybe he can sit on the bench and see how easy some of this can be”

But it appears that Andruw either doesn’t get it, doesn’t care or has given up … he says “It’s just one of those years”.

He’s right, and he should know … there have been many where he has struggled … only this appears to be the worst.

If you think it’s just one of those things, then you really don’t think you can do something about it … and chances are you won’t, even if you can.

By Robert

June 21, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

Wayne, I dont think Haren is going anywhere, and of the rest of the names you mentioned, only Dontrelle would fit ahead of Hudson in the current pecking order

The guy I’d most love to see here (provided his current employers give it up for this season) is Oswalt

By Wayne in Utah

June 21, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Buerhle would not guarantee a championship, but if it increased our chances from say 10% to 25% of “getting” to the World Series, I would do it in a heartbeat. Win or not. Getting there is what gives you the chance to win it.

Regardless of what our blog “donk” would say, it comes down to the players getting hot and winning it. I have yet to see a manager pitch a shutout or hit a homerun to win a game.

Robert will give us all the ways that BC has lost games in the past, but it is 95% bull$hit, so just disregard it.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 9:05 PM | Link to this

Robert, twas clear … but mine too was sarcasm … I tried to make it clear to you that I assumed that of your response with my “if you so think” … or words to that effect.

To more directly address the issue of your sarcasm didn’t suit my purpose.

Good Night Muss Allen

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 21, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

Ron Roberts Nothing is almost as good as sex…… Even the worst I ever had was wonderful.

By Wayne in Utah

June 21, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

Robert: I am not as high on Willis as you are, and I think Buehrle slots in before Hudson. Also, I would be really shocked if Houston were to give up Oswalt, although I would LOVE to pick up a guy like him.

My 15 year old likes Halladay. Is he on the DL?

Guys, I gotta run for a few hours. Family to feed and gotta help my older son with his car.

I will check in later for your comments.

Robert Thanks for the response without all the “donk” stuff. We really do know how you feel, but I think you would enjoy your blogging experience if you gave it a rest more often. Obviously you know a lot about baseball, and you are a big Braves fan, and I rather enjoy going out and back with guys like yourself, and some others who I might disagree with, so long as it doesn’t become too tiring.

By ncscoots

June 21, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

If a top-tier vet pitcher can be had, I’d have to think it would HAVE to be short-term only. How can you afford 4 SP all making 8 figures next year? That kind of budget allocation just puts the Braves right back into the same financial strait-jacket. And, the team is absolutely going to need a corner OF masher when AJ bolts, and that little widget will not be cheap. Just don’t see how a guy such as Buerhle can be signed long-term. So make the trade package accordingly (Lillibridge, si, Escobar, no, LOL).

By John C

June 21, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist, I really enjoy reading all your blogs. I wish you would tell more of your life.

Please, start at day one, and regal the group with every facet of what it is to be Bob, Journalist.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 21, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist A most eloquent tribute to your father… The one thing I regret most is not having spent more time with my dad when I had the opportunity.

Alas, we all think we have more time than we really do. It is a lesson that was not lost on me when it comes to my children.

By John C

June 21, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

Opps, I left off the e in regale. I hope this doesn’t dissuade you, Bob journalist from typing even the most infinitesimal detail of your life, or thoughts. You are so fascinating.

By JasonInMaine

June 21, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

I mentioned buerhle over a month ago…he would be a great addition!!

By Ron

June 21, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this

WayneinUtah, you said this: If we were able to get Buehrle (I have a hard time spelling that name!) for say, one of these guys Lillibridge/Escobar/Renteria/BJones and one of our pitching prospects, say Harrison/Smith/Reyes, I would go for it.

Dude You would give up Renteria for Buehrle? That is sooo funny dude, we would be giving up our BEST hitter on the team for a #3 Starter, real smart there dude!!! Im all for giving up Lillibridge and or Escobar for Buehrle, but no way I give up Brandon Jones for him!!! He will be our LF next season!!! Im all for giving up either Lillibridge or Escobar and Harrison/Smith/Reyes, one of those guys, but no way in hell I give up Renteria, or Brandon Jones for a DAMN rental!!! Unless there is some OTHER Buehrle that you are talkin about that is a prospect and he is slated to be the best pitcher in all of baseball in 2 years from now!!! But dont think you are talkin about that!!! LOL!!! You people crack me up!!!

By Ron

June 21, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

Robert, you said this: The guy I’d most love to see here (provided his current employers give it up for this season) is Oswalt.

Now that I agree with!!! I would give up Salty, Escobar, Harrison(or any prospect they want) or almost anything else they want!!! Now that is a trade we should look for!!! Because they almost traded him for Miguel Tejada last year!!!

By The Blasphemous One

June 21, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist, I really enjoy reading all your blogs. I wish you would tell more of your life. Please, start at day one, and regal the group with every facet of what it is to be Bob, Journalist.

Oh, Lordie, John C , you are asking for alot there. Bob, tell your sis to say another prayer for me because I am about to commit more blasphemy. But, John C., ask and ye shall receive. This is how far back Bob’s life story goes:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light…. And God said, Let us make BOB & EVE in our image, after our likeness: and let BOB & EVE have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. And then God created BOB in his own image, in the image of God created he him; BOB and female created he them. And God blessed BOB & Eve: and God said unto BOB & EVE, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth……… These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven and BOB. And then God told Bob to always tell Miss Allen Good Night!

By The Blasphemous One

June 21, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

All this crazy trade talk.

“What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?” - Mark 8:36

By Ron

June 21, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

I know that Buehrle is a good pitcher, but I just do not view him as good enough to give up our LF in Brandon Jones up for him!!! Andruw will be gone next year(or will he, Scott Boras may advise him to sign a 1 year deal with the Braves and try to have a great 08 season and cash in then, thats a real possibility), if Andruw is gone as expected we will have 2 holes in the Outfield, listen I like Harris, but if yall think he can handle CF or LF all next year like he has this year and produce yall are fooling yourselves, he is another one year wonder like Charles Thomas was, but hell fine with me, I will deffinately take that, because Harris has been awesome this year!!! But Brandon Jones is the Future here, not Buerhle!!! Im all for trading for Buerhle for one of our prospects except for Salty, and Brandon Jones!!! I think that we could give up Escobar or Lillibridge and Devine for Buerhle and I think that the White Sox would do it, WIN WIN for BOTH TEAMS!!!

By Shaun

June 21, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

Robert,

How long have you been watching baseball? How many times does the best team lose in the post-season? It’s just stupid to bet on the post-season. Did you read the link I posted? Probably not. You call it flawed analysis. There is a statistically significant correlation between pitcher strikeout rate, closer performance and defense and playoff success.

By the way, if Cox teams of the mid-90’s had been loaded with power pitchers, the analyses Shaun refers to (bebause they look at what happened, and not at what should have happened) would be saying that finesse pitchers are what is best linked to playoff success

What in the world does this mean? I think you’ve gone off the deep end with this.

The way the study was done was looking at as many regular season variables as possible and see what had a strong correlation to playoff success. The study wasn’t about Bobby Cox and the Braves. It was about what variables have a relationship to playoff success. Maybe if you’d read the link, you would see what’s going on and would be a little wiser for it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=betweenthenumbers/billybeane/060405

By Lew

June 21, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

Well, It will certainly take a pitcher the caliber of Buehrle to do what our rotation needs. Maybe with him and one of the kids from AAA, the rotation can be shored up. I still have doubts about our offense, without Andruw contributing in a major fashion and I’m certainly not comfortable with our bench strength (offensive, anyway). I think we are more than one piece away from being more totally optimistic. Maybe someone like Jonny omes from Tampa Bay. He can play first, outfield and hits for power. I’m not sure, however, whether or not he hits RH or the other RH.

By Huge Fan

June 21, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Look the Astros need a guy like Salty, say we give them Salty, Willie, and Kelly for Oswalt. They’d look at that.

By Ron

June 21, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this

I dont think it is that far fetched of an idea that we can trade for Oswalt, I think that we can get him and fill their holes on their team!!! Lets face it folks they are in a mini rebuild stage, they need a Young Catcher, we have Salty, they need a Young third baseman, they have been trying to unload Ensberg all winter, now Ensberg is a streaky yearly hitter, it seems every other year he does good, we have Escobar that we can trade to them, and we have Young Pitching we can trade for him, any young prospect they want I give them that and I would trade Devine for him, they can groom him to be their Closer in a few years!!! Listen Folks Oswalt is TOP 5 Best Pitchers in the Game!!! And that will fill alot of holes for that team!!! I would look for a deal like that to happen, no joke!!!

By Braveheart

June 21, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Now that my stint as the Blasphemous One is over, I will turn my attention to the other blasphemous one on here: Mr. Roboto Nifong. Smoltz was 15-4 in the postseason. Maddux & Glavine 25-30. Cox was only smart when Smoltz started I guess. Player performance had nothing to do with it I guess.

By John C

June 21, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Wow. Bob has been way too modest. I thought it was something like that.

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Wayne, Mama ran me out of the kitchen … and nothing on but already seen reruns … I know you’re gone but also that you’ll return.

I know much less than most bloggers about baseball players except my friends with whom I played when we were kids, but with only 750 in the Majors, they all must be pretty good.

I do think that the field management collective has more to do with the team’s success or failure than do the players, assuming the players’ ability levels allow them to compete.

However, at the individual game level, the weights shift toward the players and I think the reverse is true for dominant teams … though effective/ineffective preparation and in game decisions are still relevant to the outcome.

That is to say, if the players don’t get it done, you ain’t going to win the game, but, as we sometimes say of the good pitcher … if field management doesn’t put the players in a position to get it done, they ain’t!

I was wondering about your comments regarding Willie and Matt; primarily Willie. “I still doubt he can maintain it, until he proves it over 2 years. At best, I still look at him and Diaz as part-timers”

Nothing wrong with having doubts, Thomas had them too … what I want to know is what you mean by “maintain it” … what is “it”?

Looks like Bobby also thinks most of the players are at best part timers … it’s seldom that we see the same lineup.

Who among the rest of the young position players are at best part timers … Yunel? Kelly? Scott? Salty? Brian? Frenchy?

Certainly they are are all flawed; some more than others … perhaps some should be part timers but won’t because of their public appeal, while others may not be ready to play full time.

Some say that they don’t expect Willie to maintain his average but if he hits 280, it would be okay with them … but methinks they haven’t considered how badly he’d have to hit to get it down that far.

I’m just trying to understand what “it” is and makes an at best part time player … I really am.

Though I’m now fading away, I too shall return!

By Ron

June 21, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this

DOB, You think that maybe the Braves can Trade Salty, Escobar, One of our Young Starting Pitchers in the Minors, and Devine for Oswalt? I think that can happen!!! Remember the Astros almost traded Oswalt to the Orioles for Miguel Tejada last year!!! This trade right here would fill alot of their holes!!!

By the Stranger

June 21, 2007 10:48 PM | Link to this

I’d like to ask a small, yet urgent, favor of the hardworking children in DOB’s t-shirt sweatshop: X-Lg Rally ‘Tard, Garnet red; “Dos” on the front in Navy blue, “Cinco” on the back, color same.

Muchas gracias!

-el Desconocido

By GermanBravesFan

June 21, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

Ron… what are you smoking???? Trading two of our top prospects AND two pitchers for Oswalt???

Also, how much is Oswalt supposed to make next year? Can the Braves afford him?

By MBATL

June 21, 2007 11:00 PM | Link to this

Ron, I think that’s way to much to give for Oswalt (though of course he’s a great pitcher). Look at what we gave up to get Hudson, who, at the time, was every bit as good as Oswalt is today. We gave up basically nothing, but found the right deal.

(Hudson may not have worked out as well as we’d like, but there’s no guarantee Oswalt would either. Huddie was a HUGE acquisition at the time.)

I think the objective right now is to find a middle-rotation guy this year, for a playoff push, without giving up the farm. We can do a lot better for that group than just one pitcher (even though he is a good one).

Oswalt has pitched 220 innings or more for the last 4 years, and over 100 already this year. I’d be careful about giving up all our prospects for him.

We got Hudson for very little; Wickman for very little; Soriano for very little. No need to get carried away at this point.

By TennesseePaul

June 21, 2007 11:01 PM | Link to this

I’m looking forward to what comes of this trade business. Buerhle would be a good addition, but I’m not sure I’d trade Salty for him. Salty is a good bat which we’ll need off the bench and next season. Escobar or Lillibridge possibly. Maybe toss in a young pitcher as well… Then, at the last minute, slip Chris Woodward into the deal and hope they don’t notice.

By N8

June 21, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

Lew

Did you get my email? If you didn’t, let me know, and I’ll send it again.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

June 21, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

I have been out of the loop for awhile with moving and all but I’m back to be settled finally. As a result, I am back to being able to check websites and the such more reguarly. I read on mlbtraderumors.com that the Braves are not only interested in Buherle but are the leading contenders.

Okay, here is what I’m thinking can possibly help this team this year and in the future. I know this guy has been problems but what about asking the Rays about Elijah Dukes. This kid has star written all over him if he quits being all Pacman like. I think a team like the Braves and more specifically a manager like Cox could straighten him out. Cox could take his firm but laid back approach and make him see the light. He has already shown flashes of brilliance this year and could be the CF of the future. I don’t think the Braves would have to give up that much. I think Diaz and Dan Smith or JoJo Reyes could get the deal done.

As for Buherle, I’m a bit uncomfortable with the idea of giving up Salty for him simply because he will likely only be here this year. But, the more I think about it I would rather give up Salty than Escobar simply because of Chipper’s fragile health. There is more of a likelihood the Braves will need Escobar’s bat this year again than it is they will need Salty’s. If the Braves offered Salty and Devine for Burhle I could live with that.

Lets face facts. If the Braves had a solid third starter, which Burhle would me much more than that, this team would be the favorite to win the East. Smoltz, Hudson, and Burhle would be a better “big 3” than anything the Mets or Phillies could muster.

By Ron

June 21, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

GermanBravesFan, actually I aint smokin nothin yet, but I think Oswalt signed a 4 year extension with a Very Club Friendly deal if I am not mistaken!!! MBATL, What I was trying to say is anything that will get that deal done, if we can get him for Salty and a young Pitcher fine, but it would be better to do that than trade for Buerhle and give up someone like Brandon Jones!!! That would be plain crazy!!! Oh yeah and that deal that Oswalt signed is a deal the Braves could handle!!!

By chrisklob

June 21, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

DOB, there has been a lot of trade talk lately, much of it focusing on Buehrle and some on Haren, Harden, et al. Question for you sir: Do the Braves have any money in the coffers to actually pay for any of these guys? Buehrle is making $9.5m this year, Haren makes $2.2m, and Harden is making $2m. Next year Buehrle is a free agent, Haren makes $4m and Harden makes $4.5m. Is the $80m figure for 07 salary a firm number or is there any wiggle room? Or do you see the Braves sending enough guys back so the current teams pay their current salaries?

Also, is there any talk about increasing payroll for ‘08? While Andruw and Wickman coming off the books, Smoltz and Hudson are both due big raises which will eat up most of the savings. Plus, some of the younger guys will be getting raises. Are we going to be players in the free agent market?

By Ron

June 21, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

I cannot believe some of yall actually thinking we will trade Salty for Buerhle!!! That is the Funniest Thing that I have ever heard!!! People, I am glad some of yall are not the GM of the Braves!!! Robert (Justice Is The Best), you said something about trading for Dukes, I dont think it will take much at all, I think we could get him for Larew, or worst!!! His trade value has went down soooo much that no team would have to give up much at all for him, but would we want him, if it only took Larew or someone worst than him, then probably, but the Dude is Bad news though!!!!!

By Bob, Journalist

June 21, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

William Wallace, I don’t really have to so do, she actually reads the posts and especially enjoys most of yours … that doesn’t keep you, me or anyone else off her prayer list.

I do appreciate your responding to John C and possibly others on my behalf … but, I wish I had known you were going to so do … I’ve got 14 single spaced pages with which I know not what to do … that covers through second grade, leaving me a couple more pages to type.

I guess I could put them on Ebay or save them for a future response to Robert.

Other than William Wallace

For those of you who feel that I am imposing when I share my feelings or stories based on my experiences, I do sincerely apologize … and I’m sure any and all criticism, regardless of couching, is well deserved … well, at least most.

The thing that I most appreciate is that virtually all who choose to take issue with what I say or how I’m postured do so in such a way as to allow me my dignity, such as it is.

Hopefully most see an element of humor in much of what I say but, regardless of how I’m perceived, the only thing of lasting consequence is that some may find my posts to have been a positive contribution to the Blog’s vast store of whatever it is that differentiates it from the rest!

Regardless, you can take it to the bank that my intent has never been to impose but rather to share … and certainly, the recent religious references were intended as humor, as I hope they were taken.

My intent is to laugh with, not at you … that singular privilege is reserved for myself.

While others think it’s an entitlement, I think it’s actually a great honor and a privilege to be allowed within these friendly confines and to take the license I do in sharing my opinions … I really do!

In deference to Miss Allen, good night Gracie!

By Ron

June 21, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this

chrisklob, Dude when have we ever really went after players on the free agent market? Besides someone good every now and then? I think the last time was Gallaragha(or however you spell it) and Brian Jordan!!!

By brian

June 21, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this

the Braves are foolish if they trade Salty, Escobar, Harrison, Reyes, or Elvis for a rent-a-player such as Buehrle. Foolish. You do not give up a potential All-Star for what, 15 starts.

Salty should be platooning at 1B and getting one start every 5 games through the end of the season. I strongly disagree with you Robert on dealing Salty for a rent a player. He has the potential to be a special player for a long time. If Salty is traded it better be for a pitcher with a similar potential such as Scott Kazmir, Phillip Hughes, or Homer Baily. The same reason why these players will not be dealt for Salty is the same reason we should not deal Salty. Escobar is vital with frequently chipped Chipper Jones. Harrison and Jo-Jo are too valuable for the future (anybody regret giving up Wainright for rent a drew?) - these guys will not be Dan Meyer.

The more I look at the Braves options as a sit at the computer novice, the more I want to irritate DOB by suggesting that trading Andruw Jones is the best way to upgrade the Braves now and in the future. I will admit there is no way in hades that this will happen. No way the Braves will even bring it up and no way Andruw would agree if the Braves did. If Andruw wanted a change of scenery, the Braves could get a good young pitcher and a bat for Andruw assuming the new team could work out an extension. The Yankees glaring need at 1B may have them move Damon there full time and I would love to steal Phillip Hughes and Melky cabrera for Andruw (of course not going to happen). The Angels also have deep pockets and prospects and the Braves would look for Ervin Santana and an IF prospect (with Willie Harris moving to CF). Andruw is killing the Braves offense this year. If you cannot outhit Ryan Langerhans, Pete Orr, or Chris Woodward you have major problems.

By Ron

June 21, 2007 11:38 PM | Link to this

Why not trade a few of our best prospects for someone like Oswalt(I think they will listen, especially when they almost traded him away for Miguel Tejada last year) instead of giving away one of our best prospects for a rental player in Buehrle!!! But of course if the Astros say HELL NO to that deal, then trading Escobar and or Devine for Buerhle would be better than nothing!!!

By Robert

June 21, 2007 11:56 PM | Link to this

“Ron… what are you smoking???? Trading two of our top prospects AND two pitchers for Oswalt???

Also, how much is Oswalt supposed to make next year? Can the Braves afford him?”

First of all, Oswalt is in the first year of a 5 year $73 mil contract, with an option for year six

He is in his prime, and he is EVERYTHING you want from a stud. He pitches lots of innings. He has great command. He is tied for the league lead in wins since 2001 with Randy Johnson at 105. And Shaun will be pleased to note he is a power pitcher

And most of all, he is consistent. Scan his stats, and you’ll notice that his ERA’s and K/BB ratios are excellent AND consistent.

He hasnt yet won a Cy, and the way Peavy is going he probly wont get one in ‘07 either. Seems like every year there’s a different guy who has that incredible year.

But make no mistake, Oswalt is on the short list of best starters in the majors. He is an ace class number 1.

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

June 22, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

Andruw and Boras have stated emphatically that they will not accept a trade but I wonder with Andruw’s season going down the tubes if they wouldn’t budge from that. Andruw certainly is raising his stock very much. If he continues to struggle teams will play hard ball in the offseaon. I do believe however that in the middle of a season a team or two might be willing to trade for Andruw and hope that he will snap out of it. Teams like the Dodgers, Angels, White Sox, Astros, and Yankees could be willing to overspend now if it means getting into the playoffs this year. A team like the White Sox could be willing to talk contract extension with Andruw and offer up Buhrle in the process. The Dodges, Angels, and Astros are equally desperate for a power bat. The Dodgers to me seem the least likely of the teams to make a trade with because they are not going to be willing to give up a pitcher now that Jason Schmidt is gone.

By Robert

June 22, 2007 12:03 AM | Link to this

I’d trade Salty and another top prospect for Oswalt in a HEARTBEAT.

Thing is, even IF one (or both) of them become as dominant in their roles as Oswalt is in his, it’d be three to five years down the road at the earliest

And that’s a HUGE if.

By TennesseePaul

June 22, 2007 12:07 AM | Link to this

Here’s a good one on the Phillies…

By chrisklob

June 22, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this

Ron, Dude, my question was hypothetical. Yes, it has been a long time since we were serious players in the free agent market. I am fully, and very painfully, aware of that. This isn’t the “good ‘ol days of the mid-to-late 90’s. My question to DOB was whether or not there was talk of Liberty opening up the purse strings and increasing payroll for this year, next year or in future years.

Several days ago someone on this blog reminded us that Braves payroll has remained essentially the same for several years now which means that it’s actually gone down when you consider inflation AND the fact that salaries have gone up, and gone up at a precipitous rate.

Braves have new ownership now — and ownership that I’m not completley comfortable with considering that they’ve said publicly that they bought the team for tax purposes and only plan to hold the team for three or four years to maximize those tax benefits. Since nothing has been said, at least publicly, I think my question to DOB is valid.

By Robert

June 22, 2007 12:33 AM | Link to this

Oswalt is in the first year of a long-term deal. He wouldnt be a rent-a-player

On the other hand, I wouldnt trade Salty for Buehrle.

Buehrle gives you lots of decent innings, but, no-hitter aside, he is a grinder, and not a dominant type.

Buehrle is a lo-2, strong-3 in the final year of his contract. Oswalt is an ace-1 at the start of relative bargain long term deal.

The only problem to this is the Astros. If they deal Oswalt in his situation, it would be a clear message that they are not only giving up on this season, but resigning themselves to a multi-year rebuilding phase.

Y’all asked for names to be thrown out there.

Oswalt is about the only serious front line starter on a team that realistically has no chance this year whose salary makes it make sense for his current team not to keep him as their lynchpin, and whose stature would merit trading essentially whatever combination on futures it would take

Donteelle is intriguing, but he is on a one year contract, and his currently vaguely defined elbow issues would make me hesitant to empty the prospect bank for him

Oswalt is the s^&t, to put it bluntly

By Bob, Journalist

June 22, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this

Part of the reason I engage Robert is that I’m familiar with the spelling of his name and don’t have to use Spell Checker when I post to or about him … another part is that, though I don’t think he’s as good at playing liar’s poker, I fear I see some of me in the young man … it’s scary … but, that means too that there must be some good in him or believe there ain’t none in me, and I ain’t quite ready to make that concession.

Well, that’s what I tell myself, and just when I’ve about have myself convinced … he, myself that is, says to me, have you ever considered that he’s adopted and Robert’s not his real name?

I had actually written the above when mind triggers prompted me to pen my previous post … I’ve forgotten exactly where I was with it headed but it would have most certainly been of less consequence than is Robert.

Robert is indeed of consequence, as I would like to think are we all. Some of his thinking ain’t that bad either.

Now back when I was a boy,

Robert, put out the cat make sure to latch the screen door … and somebody please remember to tell Gracie to say good night to everybody.

By Robert

June 22, 2007 12:49 AM | Link to this

“If Andruw wanted a change of scenery, the Braves could get a good young pitcher and a bat for Andruw assuming the new team could work out an extension”

Even IF Andruw could somehow be goaded into accepting (or flat out desiring) a trade, such benching him for a prolonged might do) name me a team that would offer a good young pitcher, much less that AND a bat, for a player who is going to demand AT LEAST his current overpaid salary for a multi-year extension, but whose alarmingly declining and eroded skills set hardly merits a short term deal for half to two thirds of his current salary

For this team, at present, Andruw is not only an anchor, but a distraction to boot.

I think the Braves are going to have to learn to get by without him starting in ‘08, so why not start now, when he isnt contributing jack anyway, and shows no signs that he “gets it”

This is a guy who is admittedly using bench time to not think about the game, when he should be using it as a start on reworking himself as a player.

The point has been suggested that Andruw needs to be playing because of his salary. I ask you, if he isnt contributing, but is collecting, then does it make a difference if he does so in or out of the lineup? My answer is that if he is sitting, the umpteen million dollars may not be helping to win games, but at least then someone else’s salary might be doing so

That said, I dont think a trip to the minors is what he needs. Andruw could hit at AAA, but that wouldnt mean he’d be evolving into a better hitter. He’d be hitting mistakes, just doing better cuz AAA pitchers make more mistakes than big leaguers. If anything, given his attitude toward things, a few bombs of bush leaguers would only reentrench his philosophy of swinging from the heels for the left field fence every pitch of every at bat.

Andruw would reject a trade? We cant force him to accept one. But we can work things to where he might ask for one.

Why am I so harsh on Andruw? Cuz the boy just doesnt get it. This aint just one of those years son. Cuz the bottom line is he not only isnt, but never was, even nearly as good as he obviously is convinced he is.

He needs to get the same “just gimme the ball and go sit down” treatment from our fearless leader that Macay got the other evening

By flbravesgirl

June 22, 2007 12:50 AM | Link to this

Robert(JITB), we do not want Dukes. I live in Rays territory & there seems to be bad news daily about him. Threatening the lives of his soon-to-be ex-wife & children, impregnating an underage girl, public tirades, etc. This guy sounds like a prison term waiting to happen. I don’t think the Braves or anyone else can “fix” him.

Good to see you back on the blog though.

By mr baseball

June 22, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this

One of the few things I watch on TV as much as the Braves are sci-fi series, but at least I’m able to distinguish reality from fantasy, which is something a lot of you are apparently unable to do. The likelihood that the Braves acquire Roy Oswalt from the Astros is about the same as a plausible time travel episode on Star Trek. It ain’t gonna happen. Not now. Not next week. Not next month.

The Braves have Smoltz, Hudson & Hampton (remember him) under contract next year for somewhere in the $40 million ballpark (that may be a little high). Add Chipper, and you have 4 players making more than $50 million. Exactly where is the cash going to come from? It won’t be from Liberty. There’s no way the payroll is going up appreciably. They bought the Braves for strictly financial purposes and are not going to spend money for something as irrelevent (and not guaranteed) as winning. Oswalt is not going to increase the team’s profitability.

Maybe (just maybe), a 2 or 3 month rental of a Buehrle type is a possibility, but is he worth a first rate prospect or 2? Ask the Giants how glad they are to have signed Zito for big bucks and multiple years. There is absolutely no guarantee that Buehrle or a reasonable facsimile is going to provide the lift this team needs to be a serious playoff contender come September.

If this team doesn’t start hitting somewhere close to its potential, the Braves can trade for Oswalt, Buehrle & Dontrelle and it won’t make much of a difference. The capability exists for this team to be one of the best offensive units in the league, but that will require a healthy Chipper, McCann & Francouer playing up to their ‘06 levels and Andruw producing near his career standards. None of us should hold our breath.

Given how lousy this team has played for the last 5 or 6 weeks, there is no compelling reason for bottom-line oriented ownership to drop big bucks on another team’s player in hopes the Braves will turn things around. Especially if it’s at the cost of a prospect who might be in the starting lineup next year playing for the Major League minimum.

If the Braves can find a GM as dumb as the Cleveland doofus, who handed them Wickman for a second tier catching prospect, that’s wonderful. Unlikely though. This team is likely to sink or swim with what’s on the current roster. Unless, of course, the manager has another snit fit like the other night, when he essentially banished McBride after his first bad outing in weeks.

Right now, the Braves stink. Then again, the level of their play is higher than the quality of a lot of the posts here. Prior to Wednesday’s game, Carlyle had turned in three straight solid starts (I think that’s right). He gets hammered by one of the best offenses in the game, and all of a sudden, he’s the worst pitcher in the history of baseball.

There are a lot of you on here whose opinions change after the results of every game. Hell, sometimes they change during a game. If I’m Mitt Romney, I’m going to get the e-mail addresses of as many of you as I can, because there are a lot of potential votes for him here.

Going to the Ted tomorrow night to watch Davies & the Braves ‘99 NLCS MVP square off. If Davies pitches a decent game (wishful thinking on my part), I will return and inform those of you who have constantly dumped on him what ignoramuses you are.

But if he gets KO’d early, I’ll join in the “Let’s send Davies to Richmond” chorus. Still won’t vote for Mitt, though.

By Trav in Alpharetta

June 22, 2007 1:00 AM | Link to this

DOB

Here’s one vote to break the “ban-stick” off in some place uncomfortable on Robert

I’m pretty sure you havent banned anyone from this blog, but in this case I wish you would make an exception.

Trav

By Robert

June 22, 2007 1:06 AM | Link to this

Bob, on Bobby Cox’s grave and a stack of Bibles, Robert is my real name, and I am not adopted.

Cat is out.

Goodnight John boy

By Bob, Journalist

June 22, 2007 1:08 AM | Link to this

Thanks Gil, I think what you say is true of all us, regardless of the times and opportunities we might have had or missed.

Yours is a strong message and one of which you can be justly proud. Methinks friends and memories are our greatest assets … in the making, the enjoying and the sharing.

By Robert

June 22, 2007 1:16 AM | Link to this

“The Braves have Smoltz, Hudson & Hampton (remember him) under contract next year for somewhere in the $40 million ballpark (that may be a little high). Add Chipper, and you have 4 players making more than $50 million. Exactly where is the cash going to come from?”

Dont forget Andruw and his $14 mil.

Subtract Andruw and his contribution, and instead pencil in Oswalt and $1 million to spare, and tell me where you think the team might be right now

By Bob, Journalist

June 22, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this

Alpharetta’s Trav,

I think you’ll find that folks have indeed been banned … and though a vote might be taken, methinks we are indeed fortunate that it’s still a republic where the Electoral College dominates the popular vote.

By Bob, Journalist

June 22, 2007 1:40 AM | Link to this

Thanks Robert, it’s nice to know … is the screen door latched?

I wish we could be less eager to trade … the players are like children … they might occasionally disappoint but if you put your arms around them … let you know you love and believe in them … more times than not, they’ll surprise you with what they can do!

By brian

June 22, 2007 1:43 AM | Link to this

I agree on Oswalt. If the Braves really want to upgrade their pitching and include Salty in the deal, Oswalt needs to be the man. Can we come up with a package that won’t kill our farm system but can get Oswalt? Who knows, but I sure as heck do not want to trade anybody of significance for half a season.

I agree that no one will trade anyone of real significance for Andruw (even if he and Boras ASKED to leave Atlanta which will not happen) if they do not get an extension agreed to. Would there be teams that would offer a decent trade if they had Andruw under contract for the next 4-5 years - I bet so. No matter what his stats are this year, Andruw will get big money in the offseason (hopefully not from the Braves). Look at what Pierre received and you will see he will get big money. Andruw is still mentioned with Hunter and Ichiro as the big 3 free agents. Someone would trade for Andruw this season if it helped them get Andruw under contract long term while avoiding free agency. Borass will never let that happen though

By Coach (NOT EVEN DRINKING THE KOOL AID )

June 22, 2007 1:57 AM | Link to this

All this talk about Buehrle is redundant. Sure , the guy is a reliable workhorse but he can’t hit or add the the offense can he ? So , in my not so humble opinion , if the Braves were to get get Buehrle and the offense continues to struggle with Andruw in the lineup. Scoring around 3.5 runs a game they would still miss the playoffs and believe you me , all hell would break lose when and if that were to happen. John Schuerholz would be tarred and feathered in the press and Bobby Cox would be forced into retirement.

By Coach (NOT EVEN DRINKING THE KOOL AID )

June 22, 2007 2:07 AM | Link to this

By the way , Willie Harris is hitting .393 against right handers , .286 against lefty’s this season and a career .204 when facing left handers. The platoon work’s , leave it alone.

By Wayne in Utah

June 22, 2007 2:38 AM | Link to this

Thanks to all my blogging friends who have taken the “trade ball” and made a good run with it. It was an interesting read. A few thoughts:

Robert First, thanks for the civility tonight. It has been refreshing. Agree completely with you that we could get next to nothing for AJ in a trade now, with his season going the way it is.

Bob, Journalist The “it” as I remember correctly was basically him performing at an acceptable level for a non-power hitting corner outfielder, which I would say if he contributed at or near 300 for the rest of the year, that would be VERY acceptable. I really don’t look at a guys yearly average as much as his trends. If Willie hit 300 from here on out, his final average would be probably between 320 and 340 for the year. (I didn’t get my calculator out, sorry!) BTW, I do appreciate ALL your posts. Please do not change your blogging habits. And goodnight to Mrs. Allen.

Ron I totally agree to NO WAY to a Salty for Buehrle trade. I would give up ONE of the following: Escobar, Lillibridge, or even B Jones. I would include ONE of our prospect pitchers; Harrison, Reyes, Smith, Devine but NOT Hanson.

I understand you are highly enamored with Brandon Jones. I hope you are right about him, and I hope we keep him, but as yet, I guess I do not feel as strongly about him as you. I think our outfielders for next year will be Frenchy, Millie Hiaz, and probably somebody from outside the organization. I think if Brandon makes it big next spring, he will supplant Millie Hiaz.

MBATL The difference between Oakland with Hudson and Houston with Oswalt is huge. Oakland is always retooling and adjusting payroll downward so they can maintain the competitive level of play they have been at for the past 8-10 years. They needed to get something for a guy they were going to lose. With Houston, it is different, as Robert has pointed out. Oswalt is signed for another 4 years, at a team friendly contract, especially for a #1 starter, which he IS. So, you are going to have to pay something really good to get that guy. Oakland was taking a flier on a pitcher they HOPED might become a decent starter someday. Hasn’t worked out yet.

Oswalt WOW! That would be an awesome coup, even if we didn’t win it all, it would be worth a package like this one: Saltalamacchia, Renteria, Harrison and maybe Devine. We would have to get Brad Lidge and Ensberg in the deal though. I think in my deal, we have Escobar to man SS for a few years, until Elvis arrives. Also, Lidge has a live arm, and could someday possibly break out of his funk. I do that deal in a heartbeat. We have evidence that Millie Hiaz could man the #2 spot in the lineup. I know we would miss Edgar’s bat, but to get Oswalt, and give Escobar a chance to start, I think it would work. Ensberg would be our insurance at 3B and 1B.

Whaddya think my friends!

I shall check in one more time tonight, before retiring, but will peek in tomorrow from time to time. Got a 400 mile round trip ride and some work to do out in the middle of NOWHERE Utah. Thank goodness for XM radio!

By Coach (NOT EVEN DRINKING THE KOOL AID )

June 22, 2007 2:51 AM | Link to this

This is for the ESPN idiots should they read this blog. The Yankees are 35-35 , the Redsox are 46-25. Boston is on pace for a 100-102 win season. The Yankees would have to finish 59-33 just to tie or win the A.L. East. That ain’t happening. Unless the Yankees can contend for the wild card , they are done. Finished and I mean season over as of right now.

By Wayne in Utah

June 22, 2007 2:56 AM | Link to this

One more thought, Buehrle to me is better than Hudson, or at least more consistent. So, adding Oswalt adds a #1, and Buehrle adds a #2 in my book. Maybe it doesn’t matter, but Hudson as my 3rd best option puts us in a good playoff run situation. Oswalt would be better, but Buehrle would be good.

What about Erik Bedard of Baltimore? Or that Guthrie kid from Baltimore, if we get shut out from the others.

My mind is racing, and it’s bed time. Not a good combo.

By Bob, Journalist

June 22, 2007 3:03 AM | Link to this

All this talk about money makes me dizzy … here I am, eating leftovers in order to try and save enough to pay the rent and you guys talk about $50 million like it’s pocket change!

I once thought about asking everybody on the Internet to send me a penny since folks don’t seem to count theirs anymore … found out it takes about $5 to send a penny, when you take everything into account … and most folks just ain’t likely to do that for a stranger.

I think it is a shame that all teams aren’t constrained to the same budget on a present value basis … they play around with that notion in sports … with salary caps and special “taxes” and stuff … but that’s all it is … play.

They essence of sport isn’t winning … if it were fishermen would use 50 pound test when going for brim and hunters would use elephant guns when stalking quail.

I know my values are old fashioned and different than most but almost nothing beats watching two evenly matched teams squaring off, with the outcome in doubt ‘til the very end … of course, I want the team for which I root to best the evil invaders, but that’s icing on the cake.

What does beat it is when they’re not evenly matched and the underdog makes a good showing, with the outcome in doubt ‘til the very end … that’s the best, especially when it’s my team that nobody gave a chance!

The memories you take with you aren’t tied up in statistics or the final score … or shouldn’t be, methinks … it’s the images of Andruw making a diving catch, Frenchy throwing out a runner out a third … of Matt and Willie hitting the cover off the ball while not being deemed worthy of full time status … of Yunel and Salty showing us the difference between the business and the game of baseball … of Hoss and his ability to come off the DL and pick it up where he left it … and the disappointments too … goodness, … it’s also of cheering for the Dodgers a few years back, on the very final day.

Winning is good, sport is better!

These kids are special … let’s hope they don’t trade them away … let’s just enjoy them while they’re here!

By serbok

June 22, 2007 3:05 AM | Link to this

Right now, the Braves stink. Then again, the level of their play is higher than the quality of a lot of the posts here. Prior to Wednesday’s game, Carlyle had turned in three straight solid starts (I think that’s right). He gets hammered by one of the best offenses in the game, and all of a sudden, he’s the worst pitcher in the history of baseball.

I do NOT profess to know as much about fitting contracts and managing money in the grand scheme of things as many bloggers here seem to. However Believe it or not~ Renteria IS a major cog in the wheel of building for the future! He Needs to be traded During the off season or this year if the braves become mathematically out of contention! To Me Escobar should be untouchable! for obvious reasons! Sure, Salty has the look of a future Superstar! Where will the Bravos put him? I understand why you people are constantly jumping Robert’s a$$! Robert, you just do not understand how to communicate with “other” bloggers. Of course I say that being as I for one, am of the mind to have thoughts flow with harmony towards other bloggers. I realize you may not care how you are viewed here, as I do not care, How I am viewed period! lol Tho it does to me seem to be a more pleasant experience in life in general, to be able to express myself without alienating myself from others! (Long post:o( However! I do Agree Robert with you once again!!!!!!!! Oswalt IS the key! Talent breeds success amongst other talent? Smoltz! Huddy! Oswalt!! WOW! What would this do to the BRAVES offense?hm Do not put it past JS to make this happen! Would HATE to lose Salty:o( However I feel JS is too smart to trade Escobar.

Coach (NOT EVEN DRINKING THE KOOL AID ) *Bobby Cox would be forced into retirement. NICE thought:o)

Sorry for the long post! NOT!

By serbok

June 22, 2007 3:13 AM | Link to this

Bob, Journalist My previous post was a bit more long winded than I had anticipated~ I did want to say to you (foremost in my mind) before I got into my “rant” I really appreciate your posts! I will admit It did take me awhile to understand your um, Danfangalang UH, only word I can come up with is “Persona?” BOB~ keep on rockin in the free world! People like you, make it a much nicer place for people like me:o) Thanx!

By Wayne in Utah

June 22, 2007 3:16 AM | Link to this

Bob Thank you. We sit here some nights and talk about who to send where, and so on. I guess in reality, that is life for some of these young men. The game is great. Something new in every game, as I have heard many say.

My favorite sports moment was in 1988 when everybody KNEW Kirk Gibson just couldn’t come in to bat, as he was WAY too banged up. With the tying runner walking, he comes limping out of the clubhouse, and proceeds to deliver a winning homerun in his ONLY at bat of the series. He set the tone for the rest of the team, and with later heroics of Orel Hershiser, the Dodgers beat the favored A’s. That was a classic.

Second favorite was last winter in the Boise State bowl game.

Third favorite was around 1997 (I think) when Emerald High from Greenwood, SC, pulls out a hook-n-ladder play at the end of the game to win the state championship in their first year as a high school. My brother was an assistant coach of the team!

Nite Bob and Mrs. Allen!

By serbok

June 22, 2007 3:24 AM | Link to this

Wayne in Utah Hope all is well with you? Dude I cannot believe! You would give up B jones and Escobar b4 Salty? Think about the teams future and Current needs? Where??????????? As I have asked many times b4 are we gonna put Salty? IF we had a manager who was a little bit more creative and pioneering in his thinking, I too would reconsider not trading Salty. But we have Bobby. Escobar is Way to valuable for the current season and Brandon is our outfield future. AJ will be a brave IF he wants to be! I dont feel as tho the Braves will make any big offers to the guy during the off season. I personally would like to see him stay~ (however will not break my heart if he leaves)however, If we can get Oswalt and AJ would say to heck with borus, and sign NOW! Then yes! maybe use Brandon jones as trade bait.

By Wayne in Utah

June 22, 2007 3:25 AM | Link to this

Serbok How are you tonight? I hope all is well. Actually, Robert was quite pleasant for a good portion of the night. Maybe we should take his temperature??? (just kidding!) Actually, it was very encouraging. I do not want to take away his free will, but we ALREADY know his feelings towards our manager, a feeling that many have on the blog. Just no need to beat the horse so severly that it looks like a greasy spot in the road.

Agreed totally on Oswalt. I would include Renteria in there instead of Escobar, and let Yunel take over at SS. I think he is ready. I would hate to see Salty go, but again, Oswalt is a stud pitcher.

Does anybody know anything about Chris Shelton from Detroit, currently at AAA???

Last time, good night!

By serbok

June 22, 2007 3:28 AM | Link to this

* Wayne, in Utah* Millie Hiaz? Clever my friend:o) lol

By Wayne in Utah

June 22, 2007 3:34 AM | Link to this

Serbok Maybe that’s why I am NOT the GM!!! :O

I am not as smitten by Brandon Jones as some others.

I heard from somewhere that the Braves were trying to get the White Sox to take Brayan Pena and pitching prospect (Reyes, I think) for Buehrle. What if we could get Buehrle AND Oswalt? Whoa, my head is spinning. OK, Wayne, calm down, that is never going to happen…….now, hit the post button, and just go off to bed, where you belong……relax Wayne, Serbie will understand if you don’t stay up any later…….you gotta work tomorrow morning, and 6am comes early here in Utah…….no Wayne, Andruw won’t sign for 5 million, then let us trade him to the Angels for Joe Saunders……

Sorry guys, I gotta quit talking to myself.

You folks are great. Thanks for putting up with some of my lame brained ideas……

By serbok

June 22, 2007 3:44 AM | Link to this

WAYNE Unreal man! My favorite sports moment was in 1988 when everybody KNEW Kirk Gibson just couldn’t come in to bat, as he was WAY too banged up. With the tying runner walking, he comes limping out of the clubhouse, and proceeds to deliver a winning homerun in his ONLY at bat of the series. He set the tone for the rest of the team, and with later heroics of Orel Hershiser, the Dodgers beat the favored A’s. That was a classic. That was also my favorite Baseball moment!* lol My future Best Baseball moment? MBATL this is for you? The day Bobby finally RETIRES!

LOL

By serbok

June 22, 2007 4:11 AM | Link to this

DOB I am a bit surprised that you are still Buying Disc’s?* Music at Itunes store or any other online store for that matter saves one 33% on the price of the music? Support the Apple! White Stripes on Disc from a Brick and mortar? 16 bucks. Itunes 10 bucks. Surely you own an Ipod? Then again, If ya could get Andruw to let you represent him, I guess the point would be moot? lol Now that I think about it, even if ya could talk Woodward into~~~~~~~~~~~ LOL

By Bob, Journalist

June 22, 2007 5:47 AM | Link to this

Now that all have come and went, I must say that I now have a greater appreciation of what I meant … a while back when I said in effect that it is impossible to truly express feelings with words so that it is equally impossible to determine feelings from words.

Did I say that? … I’m not sure but, as memory serves, that was what I was trying to say … and if not then, I am now so saying.

All I can really say is thanks to all those who had something nice to say … my saying that you don’t know how much it means to me, might sound nice, but I rather think you do!

Thanks too to those who took the time to give me pause and caused me to reflect … while I shall always sing Frenchy’s favorite song “I gotta be me!”, we all need to be reminded that ‘tis a game where success depends on continual reflection and adjustment.

Methinks there’s a heap of really good stuff in this here blog, especially when you consider it was an off day following two shutouts, where the bad guys scored all the runs … maybe it was just an off day for the team but the bloggers were really on!

If you haven’t already so done, methinks it’s a good read … and you can skip over mine ‘cause I’m pondering putting them in an online book, available for downloading at just 10 cents a post.

Can you imagine my using French, German and English in one short sentence and it still making sense?

No, I’m talking about the first time, earlier tonight, closing a post “Take care mon amie … Robert auch!”

As a somewhat awkward aside; George, Gracie and especially I truly appreciate the feeling behind the words, but Miss Allen was Mrs Burns … and while it has special meaning, is just a modified but plagiarized signature.

With no fear of valid claims of plagiarization or that you will confuse the redundant Roberts, “Take care mon amie … Robert auch!”

By Coach (NOT EVEN DRINKING THE KOOL AID )

June 22, 2007 6:30 AM | Link to this

Curt Schilling is on the DL , Boston is in deep trouble !!!!! NOT ! What are they going to do ? do they plug in Jon Lester ? How about Craig Hansen , no ? Kason Gabbard already beat the Braves , he could be called back up. Rediculous isn’t it ?????? The Braves can’t keep a decent rotation intact and the Redsox have three guys tucked away in triple A ready to go at a moments notice ! BLAGHHHHHHHH ! just makes me sick !

By Bill

June 22, 2007 6:41 AM | Link to this

I hope the Braves use some common $ents when it comes to trading their prospects. We don’t need a rent a player like Buerhle. He’s going to St. Louis next year. Oswalt is the one to go after. I think Baltimore might be ready to do some dealing. Bedard is good and young. They might need a shortstop now since they lost theirs for likely rest of season. I think it’s time the Braves take a few chances. The one I would try to get is Dukes of TB. I believe a change of scenery would do wonders for him. It wouldn’t take much to get him.

By Soul Man

June 22, 2007 7:10 AM | Link to this

Good morning, denizens. I have a couple of baseball queries I’d rather not try to get answered via The Home Depot’s “Know How Question of the Game.” First, why do some relievers always pitch from the stretch, even with the bases empty while no starter - at least not one I can think of - does that? Second, why don’t relievers sit in the dugout? I understand they need to be ready to be in the bullpen quickly but that could be solved by not putting the bullpen in the most remote part of most ballparks. Even at Wrigley where the bullpen is down the foul line, relievers don’t sit in the dugout. I guess it’s just tradition. It’s not broke, so don’t fix it. Kind of like why a manager wears a uniform, a uniform that isn’t really practical for anybody in the first place.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

June 22, 2007 7:11 AM | Link to this

Key to success is to have 8 starting pitches coming out of spring training. Three in the majors and 3 in Triple or Double A ball. It has taken how long for Boston to get to that point?

Sorry, but I am a dunce when it comes to trades. That is to say who is available or who would be a good fit. I only know that the Braves have not had very good luck with holding onto short term players or summer rentals.

Did anyone else notice Bobby Cox’s body language after McBride thew the second high breaking ball? It was almost identical to the night when he became exasperated with Redman.

Now we know what to look for when a player is headed out of town on the next express.

By Berigan

June 22, 2007 7:18 AM | Link to this

Buehrle is not a hard thrower…I recall the Baseball tonight guys being amazed he could throw a no no since it’s usually guys with guns who do that. He is good, but do we really need another soft tossing leftie? If he can win in the AL, or at least have a ERA under 4 he would do fine in the NL, but those kind of guys have trouble in the playoffs…. And Oswalt??? He is not a strong looking guy, is he? Give up the farm, and he might break down…no thanks. Plus, he has talked about retiring when this contract is over, seems more interested in hunting when he is 36, than pitching…he may be like Chipper, and not want to play for another team.

By Ron Roberts

June 22, 2007 7:42 AM | Link to this

Keep in mind, guys… you usually have to give up something you’d like to keep to get something you’d like to have more.

What do we need more… a strong #2 or #3 starter or a second stud catcher, or a versatile young middle-infielder?

I’d like to get a Buehrle without having to give up some of our favorite future Braves, too, but get used to the idea that we might have to give up something we like for something we need more.

On Bobby Cox’s back problems… he didn’t look right a few nights ago and I could tell. My grandmother has battled serious back issues for over twenty years now, and darn if he doesn’t look like he’s starting to look like he couldn’t stand up straight if his life depended on it.

By Paladin

June 22, 2007 7:43 AM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN Andruw Jones fell from the bench and missed the ground. Terry Pendleton, the Braves Fall-from-the-bench-and-hit-the-ground Instructer sez: “We are working on it.” More later.

By Braves Fan 79

June 22, 2007 7:45 AM | Link to this

DOB u said this about Oscar V: Bobby says he’s an option, that he can do it for sure, etc, but then he ends up not doing it, primarily because he values him too much as the long man, a role he’s done quite well in. Yeah great strategy by cox…lets bring the guy in when were down by 7 so that we can only loose by 5 or so runs instead of by 11!
I say instead of giving up the farm for burleh or (ive been calling for Roy Holiday) or another possible rent a year player….lets give Soriano a start and make HIM our #3 option. Davies seems to be lights out for 3 or 4 innings…why not move him into that 2 or 3 inning role?
Starting rotation in the 5 game playoffs: Smoltz, Soriano, Hudson; Id take our chances on that!

By Ron Roberts

June 22, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

Braves Fan 79…

I see where you’re coming from with Soriano potentially being a lights-out starter, but with Wickman’s prior back issues, I’d rather keep him in the ‘pen. Call me crazy, but I kinda like Tyler Yates, myself, if we’re gonna fix our rotation from within. But Tyler’s been a valuable piece of the ‘pen, this season. He looked lights out the other night against the Sox on ESPN, too.

In reality, we’ve seen before what we could get from Oscar Villareal as a back-of-the-rotation starter before, and I’d prefer that. And I mentioned this earlier, but you’re right… “valuing” Oscar’s good pitching is fine and well, but it’s usually wasted.

Here’s what I wrote last night…

We use (Oscar) when we’re usually already blown out, and while he usually holds ‘em where they are or only gives up another run in his 3-4 innings after-the-damage, I can’t imagine we’ve actually taken advantage of his good work all that often and come back to win.

According to Baseball-Reference.com, we’re 4-21 when he pitches. Ouch. In those appearances, he’s only thrice given up more than 1 earned run, all three times in games he pitched just two innings. Other’n that, he’s held opponents to 1 run or fewer 22 times out of his 25 appearances.

See what I mean? Seems we’re wasting his solid efforts on games we can’t reclaim by the time he enters. That’s just how I see it.

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

I don’t see the Astros trading Oswalt in any realistic deals. He’s clearly their ace, he’s relatively young especially for a pitcher, and he’s signed for five more years for what may wind up being a discount.

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this

Berigan,

I wouldn’t mind Oswalt at all. I’d take him in a heartbeat. But there’s not way the Astros are trading Oswalt for anything another team would be willing to give up.

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Braves Fan 79,

Soriano’s basically a two-pitch pitcher. Don’t know if he can fool hitters over a stretch of several innings. And I don’t know if he could blow it by guys as relatively easy as he starts to tire.

By ncscoots

June 22, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

good grief. For the sake of argument, let’s say in some parallel-dimension-roto-league world, a young or established pitcher the caliber of Oswalt/Bedard/Haren actually WAS available: a front-line pitcher under club control for at least two years with a manageable contract. Does the blog have any idea of what such a player would cost in a trade package? It appears not, from some of the scenarios touted.

That pitcher (plus a prospect, probably) costs you Davies or James, plus Salty or Escobar or Lillibridge, plus Harrison or Reyes or Hanson. A ML pitcher, a ML ready position prospect, and a near ML ready pitching prospect. That’s to get a return phone call.

The value of a stud pitcher under club control in today’s marketplace is just astronomical. To think that clubs will forgo that value simply because they are not contending this year is just fantasy land.

Though I wouldn’t mind seeing such a trade just to see the blog erupt, LOL.

By Jersey Gil

June 22, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Bob Journalist You post at 3:03 was wonderful…thanks…i start to believe you are GOD. I’m a believer…..

By Lew

June 22, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Shaun-I agree with you for once. Oswalt will probably remain an Astro. Any offer they might entertain for him would be way more than we should pay. You can’t, as someone suggested earlier, trade four good prospects for him, nor should Renteria be offered. Edgar has been our most consistent player and we have him locked up for two more years (08 and a club option for 09). Bob Journalist- Hope the old bones are feeling better. As far as salary sanity in MLB-it ain’t gonna happen anytime soon. With the Collective Bargaining Agreement that was just signed, the outrageous TV revenues already in place and $700 million annual payments from Direct TV AND In Demand for the Extra Innings program, my only question is “Where is that extra $20 mil for the Braves to spend on payroll?” There is no way on the face of this earth that any team in MLB is broke any longer (if, in fact, they ever were). They will spend accordingly.

By Braves Fan 79

June 22, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Ron Roberts: cant agree with you more about oscar…we noticed the same thing. While i dont think think hed be any better than a 4th or 5th starter at least we wouldnt get blown out the first 3 innings.
DOB: I wonder if another manager not so set in his oldschool ways like bobby is would move Soriano into the starting rotation. Its kinda like how we used smoltz in the playoffs years back…hes useless if he dosent get a chance to pitch till were down by 5 or so runs.

By jerbo

June 22, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Hola Dave,

Have you asked Bobby’s thoughts about using moyland as a starter. He has very good stuff and could be an improvement over carlye or big inning davies?

JERBO

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

June 22, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

DOB

IF the Braves acquired Buehrle, do you think he’d just be a rental or would/could the Braves try to sign him long term? Word is he wants a 5 year deal and at 28, that ain’t bad. Could Andruw/Wickman money be used to sign him? That’s what? $20 million right there.

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Braves Fan 79 and Ron Roberts,

Now Soriano can be brought in in the 6th inning on when the opposing team is threatening in a close game.

And I don’t know how effective he would be as a starter. He’s basically just a fastball, slider pitcher. And I don’t know if he could throw in the high ‘90’s later in the game if he were a starter.

By Braveheart

June 22, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Robert, I am not shocked at all that you want Oswalt so badly. After all, you love lone gunman theories.

But I see what you are doing, you clever devil. You don’t want to be accused yourself of being the lone gunman when you get Cox fired. So you are bringing in Oswalt to be the lone gunman patsy from Texas. You want Oswalt to come here so that the Braves can lose in the postseason with three good starters, with Oswalt losing the final game of the postseason. That way, you can claim again that Cox can’t win with 3 great pitchers again. Then when Oswalt fails, Cox will be fired in your imagination, and then when everyone turns their ire toward Oswalt, Oswalt can go on ESPN and say I’m just a patsy. Then you will go force Lew to be your Jack Ruby to shut Oswalt up.

Of course, if there was a pitcher named Booth out there, I am pretty sure you would prefer him because as Malkovich told Eastwood in In The Line Of Fire, Booth had panache.

Anyone else ever get the feeling that this blog has the feel of In THe Line of Fire sometimes with Robert playing Malkovich and DOB playing Eastwood. Waiting for RObert Malkovich to tell Dave O’Eastwood, you will be standing over the body of another dead postseason.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

June 22, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Of course the White Sox would ask for Salty, but they are getting Andruwesque production from all 3 SS on their big league roster. Escobar might be attractive to them and with Lillibridge, Andrus, and Prado in the system and Edgar signed through 2008, Yunel is expendable if he brings a quality starter.

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

June 22, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Currently watching “Jedi” with the kids on HBO. What a sad state of affairs when Ewoks can help topple the 1st Galatic Empire…

By Renegator

June 22, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Did anyone hear the John Schuerholz interview on 680 the fan this morning? He came out and said that they are not considering Oscar as the 5th stater. They like there chances with Davies and Carlyle. He also said they don’t offer great talent for a rental player. He also conceeded that Salty could possibly be an MLB 1st baseman.

By Paladin

June 22, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

THIS JUST IN TOO Goodyear Tire and Rubber, the makers of Braves pitcher, Buddy Carlyle’s, arm have issued a re-call. A company spokesperson says that the re-call is just precautionary because the company’s position is that the device was installed backwards. More at 10, 2, and 4. H’mm, I think I will have a moonpie with that.

By Braveheart

June 22, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

I think I will have a moonpie with that.

Don’t forget the RC Cola with the moonpie. What good is moonpie without RC Cola?

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

I wonder if the Sox will try to force a team to take Dye along with Buehrle. Maybe a change of scenery would do Dye good. Don’t know where the Braves would put him but my guess is he may be one of the stipulations to acquiring Buehrle.

By Ron Roberts

June 22, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Renegator… I’m not buying it. The man’s no idiot and he can’t possibly believe we’re a playoff caliber baseball team, nevermind a World Series contender, with Kyle Davies and Buddy Carlyle at the back end of this rotation.

He’s not showing his cards; as a major league baseball GM, you can’t go on radio (yeah, they all have ears checking out these things) and give up trade secrets.

I also think he’s in a situation where he can’t just come out and say “yeah, we’re tired of the inconsistency out of the back-end of our rotation, so we’re actively looking to better ourselves there” either unless you wanna just go ahead and lose those guys psychologically *before you demote ‘em. See, what I’m saying?

I guarantee you he’s looking to better the rotation, and he’s an idiot if he’s closed-minded to the notion of using Villareal as a starter. He saw what we all saw last year out of Oscar as a starter, and seeing what we all see out of our 4-5 guys now, he can’t possibly think we’re better off not changing something.

Oscar’s sporting a 3.65 ERA, and yet we’re 4-21 when he pitches. Oscar’s not the problem in those games; the guys he replaces are.

As a Braves fan, I have to hope he’s not as stupid as that interview would lead us to believe, on the surface.

By Paladin

June 22, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Braveheart You are too young to remember that “10-2-and 4” used to be in the ad slogan for Dr. Pecker, my “day” drink-of-choice.

By Braveheart

June 22, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Ron Roberts, I have to agree with you. Teflon John is the master of Doublespeak, misinformation, and disinformation. Teflon John would have made one helluva of CIA agent.

By Braves Fan 79

June 22, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Shaun: id take Dye in a heartbeat!!
(hes streaky and when hes on he REALLY ON!…like Andrew!) that would give us another solid backup and allow us to totally dump the trash end of our bench in woodward and orr.

And i know soriano might not last all that long in a game…but a solid 5 or 6 innings is better than being out of the game by the 5th inning! Either way…Soriano is someone the Braves should lock up before other teams start throwing $ at him in the offseason.

By Robert

June 22, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

“Robert, I am not shocked at all that you want Oswalt so badly. After all, you love lone gunman theories.

But I see what you are doing, you clever devil”

I want Oswalt because we need starting pitching and he is a stud starting pitcher

By Ron

June 22, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Some of you all are forgetting that last year the Astros were close to trading Oswalt to the Orioles for Miguel Tejada!!! I think the Astros backed out at the last minute though!!! But they have a hole at C, 3rd, need a potential Closer of the Future, and a Young Starter to Replace Oswalt if he got dealt!!! Guess what we have all those needs for him!!! Trade Salty, Escobar(Ensberg has worn out his welcome there), Devine, and let them take there pick on the Young Pitcher other than James!!! What is worst trading all that talent for a guy like Oswalt or trading a good prospect here and there for rental players, think about it folks, lets offer a hell of a package and see what the Astros say, if they say no then dont worry about it, but that would be better to offer that much for Oswalt, than trade a Good prospect here and there for rentals!!! Lew, what the hell dude, you dont want to trade that much for Oswalt, but you wanted us to trade Salty, Escobar, and a young Starter other than James for Baldelli!!! I remember when DOB had that trade rumor up on his blog and you said you would do it!!! What the Hell has changed!!! And Dont tell me it is because you have seen them play good in MLB because they were our Best Prospects for a reason!!!

By BossLady

June 22, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

We have very young players that have not been in the business long or knowing the trading and negotiating. It could just be that all of them are scared s!@#$%^& about all this trade talk and rumors of trade talks. I noticed that Francoeur’s comment about McBride and Langerhans sounded like a note of uncertainty on their futures. Everybody is shaky and looking over their shoulders wondering if their’s is the next number coming up. Look at Kelly, Brian and Frenchy. The are great hitters but lately they are all pushing and stressing. No job security is in the Braves organization. They see that if they play very good they could be traded, and if they play bad or have bad outings they could be traded. That’s a miserable way to go to work. This team needs to be solid and the players should not have to worry everyday if their time is up. Do they have staff meetings and award recognitions, damn something to encourage them that they are The Atlanta Braves.

By eware

June 22, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

DOB, you missed a great show last night. BLACK KEYS rocked the house - I thought it was better than the Variety Playhouse show. I focused a little more on the drummer this time around, and he’s amazing.

Also, DINOSAUR JR. was okay. The sound was a little too loud, so you couldn’t hear any chord transitions or words - not really their fault. But, they really brought everything they had to the stage. Gained some respect by me, as they were a little before my time.

But, I must say that having Black Keys and Dinosaur Jr. on the same ticket was one of the best shows I’ve seen.

By Renegator

June 22, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Oswalt would be great - but how do we afford him?

By Braveheart

June 22, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Robert, I know. just still Fing with you. Agree with you about Oswalt. Glad to see you talking about things other than Bobby.

By Braveheart

June 22, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Wasn’t Oswalt almost traded last year because he was about to be a free agent, they were not sure they were going to sign him, and wanted to get something back? The Mets I think were actually the closest to pulling off the Oswalt deal. But when things fell through, the Stros signed him to a long term deal and he was off the block at that point. Why would they trade him now when the circumstances are drastically different? You can’t forget the context and circumstances surrounding why he was almost traded last year which does not really exist this year. Not saying that could not happen but it would be far more expensive this year than last year

By Lew

June 22, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Ron-I was in favor of picking up Baldelli, but I don’t remember saying I’d give up those three players for him. Anyway, I was wrong. Baldelli’s attractiveness was being tied up long term, but apparently his injury problem was worse than I thought. Now the potential trade for Oswalt. It’s one thing offering ONE minor league pitcher and a prospect like Salty, who likely will not play for the Braves, for Oswalt, but some of the proposals were A. From Huge Fan, Salty, Harris and Kelly Johnson (I object quite strenously to dumping KJ, who is close to being an AllStar 2B, who we probably couldn’t replace right now), as well as Salty. B. From Wayne In Utah-Salty, Renteria, Harrison AND Devine. Now Oswalt is a great pitcher and would be a good addition to the Braves. But 4 players, including our most consistent hitter (Edgar) and 2 pitchers (we will likely need them both in times to come) as well as our top trade bait? Don’t think so, Dude-totally too much and inequitable. JS would NEVER pull the trigger on a deal like that and then take on $11 mil or more a year in contracts.

By Renegator

June 22, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Verlander vs Daives on Saturday - Fox game of the week. This could be the biggest mismatch in baseball history.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Do you guys realize that Oswalt’s contract is for five years and $73 million? And that he has four years left on said deal after this season?

You really think the Braves are going to take on ANOTHER $14.6 mill per year for a starting pitcher — albeit a great one — when they’re paying Hampton $15 mill next season, Smoltz $14 mill and Hudson $13 mill? Gimme a break….

EWARE, saw a great show myself last night, Tom Morello, aka The Nightwatchman. At Smithe’s Old Bar. Place was more packed than I’ve ever seen it.

And guess who was there, sitting incognito at a table off to the side of the stage? Bruce freakin’ Springsteen. Yes, the Boss was in the house, along with famed produced Brendan O’Brien (an Atlanta dude, who did couple of Bruce’s recent albums and the Morello solo album)….

Getting to work on a new blog now. Just got online for first time today.

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Ron,

Braveheart is right. Oswalt was in the final year of a contract last year, which is why they were looking at dealing him. They signed him to a 5-year deal and he’s still relatively young and one of the best pitchers in baseball. Plus, in a few years his contract may be a bargain for a pitcher of his caliber.

My guess is last year they were trying to get a team to blow them away with a deal and only would have moved him if a team had blown them away.

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Serbok, you and no one else will convince me to spend $10 on music with nothing to hold in my hand and read, no liner notes, no artwork, and nothing to keep forever. Just different generations, my friend. In my generation, record collections, and now CD collections, meant something to people. See the movie High Fidelity, if you haven’t already.

Absolutely no interest in getting my music online exclusively. Maybe a song here and there, but I’m a buy-the-CD guy. And I don’t spend $16, except rare occasions on a hard-to-find indie label or import. It’s why I didn’t buy White Stripes at Criminal or Ella Guru yesterday. I’ll buy it for $10-11 on sale at Best Buy, Target, whatever, or get a used copy when someone downloads it and sales it back.

can’t imagine having all my music in a computer, with nothing to take out of a case and put in the player, and read when it was recorded, who sat in on this song or that, who wrote it, the lyrics, etc. Can’t imagine it, and don’t want to. Not for me, thanks.

Speaking of CDs, those into alt-rock, gotta try the new Handsome Furs CD, “Plague Park.” They’re yet another Montreal act featuring one of the guys from Wolf Parade. Great album. Really strong.

By chuck w/deadjournalist.com

June 22, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

I couldn’t agree with you more. If I’m paying money for the music, I’m getting hard copy. And for anyone who thinks it isn’t possible to loose those MP3s - wait until your hard-drive dies at 3AM AND you back-up drive breaks. Then you’ll learn the lesson the hard way.

By Ron

June 22, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Lew, agreed that I would not trade Renteria, or KJ for Oswalt, Hell Renteria is our Best Hitter this year, and KJ has outdone expectations, he is a keeper!!! But we could live with trading Salty, Escobar, Devine, and a young Starting Pitcher other than James for Oswalt!!! You got to Realize that if we trade for Buerhle we would be giving up at least one of those guys!!! Why not offer the whole package for a great like Oswalt!!! Braveheart, But he had a full year left on that contract, they tried trading him last July, But do you realize all there holes in that lineup, we stack up really good, probably the best with there needs!!!

By Lew

June 22, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Y’all-Another thing on Oswalt-We need a number 2-3 starter, not another ace. Why spend so much for a number one pitcher when we have one (Smoltz)? It would be much wiser to go for someone cheaper who could be a number three guy. We need someone to plug in after Hudson, putting Chuck James at #4, which for right now, is where he should be. Three consistent starters plus James, who usually gives us a good 5 or 6 innings would give us a pretty fair rotation-one in which Carlyle or Davies would not be too bad at the back end and one in which our bullpen wouldn’t be so heavily taxed on a regular basis. Considering Hudson’s inconsistency is rearing it’s head again, maybe someone who could go as a number two, but definitely not another ace.

By Ron

June 22, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

DOB, Could the Braves not some how get the Astros to pay some of Oswalt’s contract next year? Because after 2008 Hampton’s contract is gone!!!

By GermanBravesFan

June 22, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

DOB…. Springsteen was in Atlanta? With his producer? Sounds like there will be a new album coming out soon! Can’t wait!!

By Porkins

June 22, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

DOB, that is so cool that you got to see the Boss like that. That actually excites me more than the performer you saw. What are your thoughts on the new Smashing Pumpkins song(s)?

By Lew

June 22, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Serbok_ I’ve gotta go with DOB on this one. I can’t live without the “Wall Of Music” in my studio. It’s a pain to move, but that just makes it all the more worthwhile to remain rooted where you are. Russ Albums would be ashamed of you with all that downloading.

By GermanBravesFan

June 22, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Ron,

Did you read DOB’s post earlier? Did you see how much money Oswalt will be making next season? It DOES NOT make sense!

By SaltyWoody

June 22, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

DOB Totally agree with you on the viceral experience of music…needing the cd/liner notes/etc. as part of it all. I’ll never abandon the eighteen different cd books I have with every single page full of the cover artwork.

All artists would appreciate hearing you say you feel compelled to buy the cd, too.

Except, it also means you can’t ever bring music to the beach. I did it and it spelled the end for 95 percent of those cds…all of which, of course, were re-purchased over time.

Has anyone ever heard of a band called The Slip by the way?

They’re outstanding. Sort of in the indie rock/folky category, though I wouldn’t want to pigeonhole their sound.

In any case, if you’ve never heard them, I’d check them out. They’re not nearly as hard as the Truckers or the Stripes or many of the others brought to light here, but there’s an honesty and an intensity to them that I don’t see in many other bands.

Their latest release, Eisenhower, is the album with the most mass appeal. However, some of their earlier stuff (From the Gecko, Does) is great if you like jazz theory. And “ALIVEACOUSTIC” is out of this world.

Love to know if any of you have heard of/enjoy them.

By Coach (NOT DRINKING THE KOOL AID)

June 22, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Yes sir , burned all 6,000 MP3’s , then stopped downloading when I couldn’t get my music for free and Big Bother started going after people. Besides I’ll never get around to listening to all the music I already have. Went through two CD burners in the process and then my hard drive crashed. And it ain’t free , software , hardware and CD-R’s cost money. but it is cheaper , just have to figure out what to do with all these movies I downloaded , they won’t run in a DVD player , only in the computer.

By brian

June 22, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

that is the catch 22 on pitching. Oswalt would work the best but do the Braves take another chance on a long term, expensive contract tying up so much money in their starting pitching. What the Braves need is a top young pitcher in the majors or major league ready, but no team is going to give that up? Homer Bailey, Phillip Hughes, Andrew Miller, etc.

I know it is a moot point as far as trading goes, but I would much rather trade away Andruw Jones than Salty right now. At most Andruw has another half a season with the Braves (his offense did not join us the first half, but at least his defense did). Salty is a potential cornerstone of the franchise with who is undercontract inexpensively for years. Of course we cannot move Andruw, but I wish the Braves would take the attitude that WE CANNOT TRADE SALTY

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

SaltyWoody, sure you can bring it to the beach, or the treadmill, etc. That’s what my Ipod’s for.

I download my favorite songs from CDs directly through my PowerBook into the Ipod, then take that on the road. It’s perfect in planes, working out, and I have a little donut-speaker thing I plug the Ipod in for hotel rooms, perfectly good sound for that small a space. Only time I bring CDs on road anymore is when I know I’ll be driving a rental car (instead of Taxis and subways).

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Ron, I don’t know why the Astros would feel they need to pay any of the contract they just gave Oswalt in order to get rid of him. he’s an absolute stud and they’d be foolish to pay any of it to get rid of him.

By Ron

June 22, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Lew you said this back in December:

By Lew

December 8, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this

Gotta do it. It takes care of many immediate and future problems. Davies can be replaced and the other two aren’t going to be missed. Salty may be good, but McCann and Brayan Pena have us covered at catcher.

That was a trade rumor involving Salty, Escobar, and Davies(actually the Rays wanted James, but we would not offer him, and I am glad they did not), that you wanted us to trade for Baldelli!!! I never ever liked that trade!! Im not trying to single you out Lew, because DOB even said he would make that trade and alot of others!!! And when I said we dont need a injury proned guy, DOB said alot of teams would want his production!!! Guess what DOB no they would not because when will he ever be healthy enough again, The Rays would barely get a good relief pitcher for Baldelli at this point!!! Like I said Lew this is not to just single you out, but you said you do not remember offering up that package, just wanted to remind you!!! No big deal though!!!

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Ron,

Oswalt is not available, I’m sure. And why would the Braves give up four potential major league regulars and possibly stars to get one expensive guy seven or eight years older than most of those potential regulars or stars?

Yes, he had a year left but one year is much different than 5 years and an option for a 6th.

And what’s easier to find, a number one starter or a bat?

By Paladin

June 22, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

When I grow up I want to be a beat writer and have my own blog. Forgive me while I practice.

BORAS SAYS ANDRUW MAY END UP IN JAPAN!

Super-agent Scott Boras says that Andruw may end up in Japan—as a sumo wrestler. Tojo Yamamoto head of Jujitsu, Abacus, Bare-back Waterbuck riding, and Synchronized Swimming(JABASS) the agency that oversees that obscene spectacle, says, “If Andrew(Japanesse for Andruw)is serious, he better lose some weight”. Boras, progressive as ever, is looking into chartering a slave ship to take Andruw to Japan. More on this later. Right now, I’ve got some errands to run. First, I’m going to jump on my bike(A brand-new Schwinn Speedster)and head to the store to buy a new album of Greensnakes.* They put them in an album because it makes it easier to stomp the little suckers flat. Then, it’s over to the Ted where they are holding a class on how to work the elevator. In the meantime, you guys and gals keep the cards and letters flowing.

Excerpted from City of New Orleans by Willie:

“…And mothers with their babies sleep, rockin’ to the gentle beat, and the rhythm of the rails is all they feel.” Now, that is poetry.

OK, I’m out of here but first, Goodnight Mrs. Alien and, Robert, I luv ya guy!

—-16—-(The number of my teeth I still have)

By Lew

June 22, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Coach-You make a good point. My CD collection, which is half the size of DOB’s, would take over three years to listen to if I listened to one CD per day. It may be insane, but I just ordered more. It’s all about the music.

By Ron

June 22, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

GermanBravesFan, did you not read my 12:31 post!!! But did Liberty not say payroll should go up!!! All I know is we better not Trade Salty, or Brandon Jones for a rental in Buerhle!!! He is far from a guarantee to get to the World Series, and he may not even help us get to the Damn Playoffs!!! I could live with giving up Escobar, or Lillibridge, and Devine for him, but that would absolutely be the Most that I would give up for him!!!

By beachcomber

June 22, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Just viewed the blog for the first time today. Interested in the iPod conversation. Loved mine but it died just after a year. My IT guy says they are not fixable for the most part. Hate to spend $250 every year. Have others had reliability issues with theirs - or did I just win the lottery?

By Renegator

June 22, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

It would be nice the Braves farm system could actually produce an “Ace” so we don’t have to sell the farm to get one. It seems there hasn’t been one since Glavine. What’s going on down there? The farm system is great at developing position players but the pitchers haven’t really been all that great. Thoughts?

By Paladin

June 22, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

I forgot to add my “by-line” to the previous.

By David O’Letterman/Friday June 22 The Atlanta J*******-Constipation

By SaltyWoody

June 22, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Fair point. The mobility of an ipod can’t be beat. But you know what? Having 5000 songs on your ipod doesn’t impress nearly as much as having 5000 cds worth of songs riding shotgun on a roadtrip…and totally blocking your right side-view mirror and/or the blind spot on that side.

And I take a walkman to the gym…no joke. Makes me feel bada$$ and anti-establishment. And, also, I can’t get enough of the Beatles LP that’s been in said walkman for upwards of ten years now.

Plus, this walkman is the deluxe model…you know, the one that’s waterproof and picks up AM/FM radio (and by AM/FM radio, I mean one unintelligble spanish channel)?

It’d fetch a pretty penny on ebay…as an antique.

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Ron,

Why would the Astros pay any significant part of a contract for an ace pitcher they don’t have?

There’s no way to make it work. Oswalt isn’t going to be traded. There are no realistic trades out there that work for the Astros and any trade partner.

Best guess, the Astros would want at least an impact player in his prime signed to at least a four-year deal or at least four of a team with a good farm system’s top prospects for Oswalt. No team would give up that and the Astros wouldn’t take anything less.

If the Astros really thought they could get what Oswalt is worth, why would they have signed him to a five-year deal?

It makes absolutely no sense no matter how you slice it for Oswalt to be traded.

By Steeledawg

June 22, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

DOB-

I hear you about being a complete album buyer. I need to hear the whole thing, not just the single. I am of your generation, and was an mp3 holdout until about a year ago. I have several of the large caselogic padded cd cases that I will never use again. I can’t imagine life w/o my iPod. A lot of new releases, the new White Stripes included, come with a PDF file containing all of the cd booklet info and pictures.

The new WS rocks, but I can’t stop listening to the new Wilco, it gets better everytime.

By Renegator

June 22, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

This team has a lot of holes - Buerhle doesn’t guarantee us a spot in the playoffs. I wouldn’t trade a lot to get him for 3 months.

By Coach (NOT DRINKING THE KOOL AID)

June 22, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

The cool thing about MP3’s is , you can make your own custom stuff. Ive got my own Metallica greatest hits CD , which of course they refuse to compilate. So , up your Ulrich. Anything from Aerosmith to ZZ Top , it’s all good.

By Ron

June 22, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

DOB I understand, why would the Astros pay some of his contract in 08 to play for another team, but what good is a #1 Starting Pitcher like Oswalt when you have a major hole at Catcher, Third Base, and they need a Potential Closer!!! Salty fits in for their Catcher, Escobar fills their need at Third Base(Ensberg has worn out his welcome there), Devine could be a Possible Closer for them in 2-3 years(I, and alot of others feel that Lidge is not ever going to be the same), and Trade them a Young Starting Pitcher other than James to replace Oswalt!!! They have Major needs on that roster DOB!!! I know that and You know that!!! I dont see the trade happening, but that would be a win win for Both teams!!! Its great to have a #1 like Oswalt on your team, but even he cant help that team with all of their MAJOR holes on that team!!!

By DAP

June 22, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

for awhile ove thought that this would be renteria’s last year, he would be traded and escobar would take over at SS. Im starting to think now, that escobar would be great trade bait. hes been doing real well at the major leugue level, and we still have some middle infielders coming up in lillibridge and andruws. renteria should play here at least one more year and that would give lillibrige time to get ready to be moved up for the ‘09 season.

if we can get oswalt, i think we should do what we can to make it happen. that would totally take this team to the next level. if the ‘stros were willing to deal him, i bet they would take salty, escobar and a minor league pitcher, maybe devine, for him. escobar would solve their SS/3B problem and they are in need of a young catcher. i DONT want to give up salty, so IF the ‘stros wanted to trade oswalt, this would be my offer:

ensberg and oswalt for escobar, bryan pena, devine, and one of our major league ready pitchers…carlyle or cormier maybe?

we can use ensberg to back up chipper at third. if carlyle and cormier cant get it done, id be willing to deal JoJo or harrison.

getting oswalt would be HUGE! i think it would garuntee us the playoffs.

By Jersey Gil

June 22, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Waiting for a new Blog i just surfer the internet and found this Newspaper article from Puerto Rico talking about a incident in 2001 involving Juan Gozalez when he was playing with the indian cleveland.Heppen in Toronto when a jim bag was discover by an emigration officer.In the Bag was some anabolic,steriod,and some pills.They send the bag to the Hotel waiting for the person to claim the bag…when Angel Persinal claim the bag he say that belong to Gonzalez..this Angel Persinal from the Dominican Republic also work with PedroMartinez,David Ortiz,Vladimir Guerrero,Bartolo colon,Miguel tejada and other. There was a question why MLB keep this incident under the rug..the article mention…..This guy is offlimit of any MLB stadium.This guys is know at the “El Milagro” or “The Miracle” in the Dominican. You can read this article in…www.vocero.com, is in spanish for those no habla english…..

By MBATL

June 22, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

If we’re gonna trade Salty, which I doubt, it should be for a guy like Rich Hill of the Cubs. Young, dominant stuff, under team control for a few years. And, the Cubs need a catcher that can hit.

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Renegator,

I think it’s just aces are pretty hard to develop. Look at how many pitchers there are around baseball right now we can truly call aces (could finish around the top 10 in Cy Young balloting) year in and year out, not that many. I would say it’s certainly less than one per team.

By Ron

June 22, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Renegator, you are right about Buerhle, he guarantees nothing for us!!! The only guys that I would give up alot for is Oswalt, Haren, Arroyo, Harang. Thats about it, and Some of those real young players like Cain, but Cain and the rest of the Young Pitchers are going nowhere!!! But that is the only Pitchers out there that is worth a big bounty, other than those guys if we give up good talent for the likes of Buehrle we are p!ss!ng in the wind!!!

By Porkins

June 22, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

I definitely still buy CDs the week they come out. The majority of new releases are $9.99 for a week, which is the same as iTunes. Plus they have twice the sound quality, can be burned as mp3s if needed, and provide you with a solid backup in case you lose your mp3 player or your hard drive crashes.

By Michael

June 22, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

DOB…

Please tell me that management is smart enough not to send Detroit Salty for a 3 month rental of Buerhle who we likely could not resign during the offseason. I understand the mentality of win now but not at the expense of giving up Salty. Please tell me this won’t happen. Do you think it should??? How would you feel about a trade of this nature…your own personal opinion.

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Ron,

I’m not sure what the Astros farm system looks like but I’m sure it would be much easier for them to turn around their offense than it would be for them to find another ace if they were to trade Oswalt.

By Lew

June 22, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Ron-Like I said before, I was wrong. Maybe only the second time I was ever wrong (the first time I thought I had made a mistake, but I didn’t), but I imagine it happens to everyone. Do you really archive these things, Dude? Do you need a vacation? Working too hard? I still think our money and talent resources would be better expended on someone else, though. Oswalt’s good-I’ve had him on my fantasy team for two years-but we can’t give up the bank for him. Salty and someone else would be more than enough. After all, we would be taking on quite a bit of salary and NO ONE should be worth four players including your starting SS or 2B as well as one of the top, if not THE top catching prospect (a switch hitter with power, no less) in all of MLB. It’s just too high a price to pay. I never suggested trading a starting position player for Baldelli and at the time Salty was coming off of a miserable minor league season, Davies coming off of surgery and Escobar had yet to play a single game in the bigs, with a lack of power, supposedly lessening his value to other teams. The proposed trades are apples and oranges-not vaguely similar.

By Ron

June 22, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Why are some of yall saying why would the Astros trade Oswalt when he has the 4 or 5 year contract? Well why would the Rays wanting to trade Baldelli this winter with his contract? Yes I know they have alot of Outfielders, but why not trade one that does not have a longterm deal, this is the same thing about Oswalt, the Astros have needs and we can fill their needs better than any other team!!!

By Lew

June 22, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Braveheart-Define what you mean by “Ace”. How many Aces are there in MLB? Do you seriously think there is one per team? 30 of them? I sincerely doubt you would find half that many true aces in all of MLB. That means damn near no one is producing them in their minor leagues systems and it is a highly speculative job identifying an ace at the HS or college level. I remind you of the likes of David Clyde, Todd Van Poppel and many other supposed aces that flamed out well before achieving said status. Just being a club’s number one starter does not confer Ace status on a pitcher. The Clemenses, Glavines, Smoltzes, and Oswalts are few and far between-much less so in these days of thirty teams. How would you change the system to remedy this problem? Is it even possible to make it any better? You can’t seriously believe that a farm system could draft position players in such a successful manner and then totally blow it on pitching. It has to, by defintion, be the nature of the beast in drafting pitchers-a problem league wide as opposed to being a Braves’ deficiency.

By TennesseePaul

June 22, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Please tell me that management is smart enough not to send Detroit Salty for a 3 month rental of Buerhle

I’m pretty sure JS is smart enough not to send Salty to Detroit for one of Chicago’s pitchers.

By ernesto

June 22, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

I would rather get Oswalt and bring up a young CF’er than spend the money on Andruw.

But I really don’t think that’s the frustration of this frist half of the season talking. I mean we’re scoring runs basically getting nothing from Andruw and if we had decent pitching we’d be a whole lot better. What have we gotten 1 win from teh 5ht spot, not many from the 4th and Chucky’s .500? Sliding every body down a spot and having 3 co-1’s (again) sounds like a good plan to me.

That said, I think the Astros would be insane to trade him.

And please I’m not suggesting trading Andruw for him…Andruw isn’t approving a trade to the Astros.

By Lew

June 22, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Actually, that last post should have been addressed to Rene, not Braveheart. Sorry.

By Efrim

June 22, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Oswalt isn’t going anywhere. Buerhle to the Braves for Escobar. That is a trade I would make tomorrow.

By Bigboi

June 22, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

I would love it if we could get Dukes from Tampa Bay, apparently he’s had a few problems down there and I bet we could get him for next to nothing. what do u think DOB?

By TennesseePaul

June 22, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Smoltz, Clemens, Oswalt, Haren, Bonderman, King Felix, Santana, Sabathia, Peavy, Webb, Carpenter… Off the top of my head, at the tail end of the blog, that’s what I come up with. 10. Probably a few I’m forgetting. Probably a few some would question “Ace” status. But either way, still a far cry from 30.

By Lew

June 22, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Ernesto-We’re scoring runs? When? Where? I watch every game, how did I miss them? We certainly have not scored any runs the last two games.

By Robert

June 22, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

“Oswalt is not available, I’m sure. And why would the Braves give up four potential major league regulars and possibly stars to get one expensive guy seven or eight years older than most of those potential regulars or stars?

Yes, he had a year left but one year is much different than 5 years and an option for a 6th.

And what’s easier to find, a number one starter or a bat? “

You do the trade exactly because you are giving up potential for reality.

A bird in the hand

Oswalt is gonna make about what Andruw is currently making

And a number one starter is much tougher to find than a bat

By strict definition, there are 30 number 1 starters in the bigs

By a more appropriate definition based on quality and not on available slots, there’s maybe half that many

By Lew

June 22, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Bigboi-A FEW problems with Dukes? Dude, you have mastered the art of understatement. He has numerous Restraining orders stemming from multiple domestic violence claims and arrests. He is in the middle of a divorce so messy, the judge won’t let him near his ex-wife or kid for at least a year. He was suspended by the Raysindefinitely on Thursday (yesterday) for his sins and is questioning whether or not he will remain a baseball player. Get him for next to nothing? What-the price of a year’s imprisonment, meals and cell block rental? Just how long do you think BC would put up with his crap? About 30 seconds? Maybe we can get him AND Milton Bradley in return for an endowment ot the Atlanta Federal Penetentiary. Yeah, that one will work.

By rammerjammer

June 22, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

The White Sox would expect a position player AND a starting pitcher for Buehrle. Escobar would be an upgrade over their SS but they’d want someone to plug Buehrle’s spot. Would they take Davies? Or would they shoot higher and insist on James? They might even want a third player, a prospect (Devine?)

Could be one of those J.D. Drew for Marquis, Wainwright, etc., type of deals.

And, yes, JS would do it.

By Lew

June 22, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Hey-Maybe we could get Lastings Milledge, too. Milledge, Bradley and Dukes-the anti Law Firm. Maybe we could get a rap recording label out of the deal-and a totally dysfunctional outfield. Hell, they’d throw batteries at the fans.

By Jersey Gil

June 22, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Lew Look the Stats..because Atlanta didn’t score in the last two games doesn’t mean that we are not scoring runs…we ware 6th in NL in scoring run with 324 and 16 in the MLB…the only two NL ream ahead of us are Phillis and marlins.

By Robert

June 22, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Shaun, you asked whats harder to find, a number one starter, or a bat. Then you said “I’m not sure what the Astros farm system looks like but I’m sure it would be much easier for them to turn around their offense than it would be for them to find another ace if they were to trade Oswalt.”

Seems you just answered your own question, in spades. It’s easier to find 3 or 4 bats than to find one stud starter, much less one in the prime of his career and signed long term for a reasonable figure.

If you’re willing to give up a good prospect for 15 or so starts from a number 2 grinder, then why would you even hesitate at doubling or tripling the cost for four or five years from a stud number one power pitcher?

Hey, if I’m the Astros, I tell the Braves to go pound sand, but if I’m the Braves, I hope that someone in the Astros front office values lottery tickets as highly as folks on this blog seem to

By David O'Brien

June 22, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Robert, agree with you (I’m checking to see if the sky’s still there) on No. 1 starters. Roughly half the teams have a legit No. 1, and Oswalt’s definitely one of them (so is Smoltz, at least for me).

But I just don’t see how Braves could possibly fit that many huge pitching salaries into their budget, unless the payroll went over $100 mill next season.

NEW BLOG IS UP

By Shaun

June 22, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Robert,

Why would the Astros give up a relatively young ace they just signed for five years with an option for a sixth?

And I defined my definition of ace—a starter that is capable of finishing in the top 10 in Cy Young balloting year in and year out.

Oswalt is not available.

By Lew

June 22, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Jersey Gil-Yeah, because they scored 9 on Monday against the Red Sox. However, scoring nine one day and none for the next two is hardly scoring runs. Go back and see how often Smoltz has lost despite not giving up more than two. How about Huddy? Didn’t he pitch a couple of jewels only to lose because we couldn’t score? James, too. Yes, we score runs, but hardly on a regular enough basis to make up for our offensive lapses. Besides, 16th out of 30 teams? That’s hardly inspiring for a team hopeful of going deep in the playoffs. We will score runs when Andruw starts to hit (if at this point he even will), when Chipper’s hand strength returns, or Thorman hits it somewhere other than right at a defender. In the meantime, no, we’re NOT scoring runs.

By Ron

June 22, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Lew I agree with you about not trading a Starting Position player, me and you are both on the same page about that!!!! No I dont archieve these things other than this time, I just remember you saying that, and plus yours was one of the first comments anyway, I was just making a point thats all, not trying to start nothing man!!!