Braves

By BravesDave

May 8, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

First?

By the way, I was thinking this last night…am I correct that McCann hasn’t hit a HR since the opening series against the Phils?? If so, that is one heck of a drought. Actually looked like he was pressing for one last night with a couple of pop-up swings.

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

29 and 15 then things get lean

By Hoosier Joe

May 8, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

First?

By Max Sizemore

May 8, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Hey David, I know the Pittsburgh series is a few days away, but do you know if Adam LaRoche is still taking his ADD medicine?

By 22oz

May 8, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Here’s mine: Smoltz and Hudson walk the walk, the others just walk, and walk, and walk.

Chuck needs to work on that 6.66 era, that can’t be good for anybody.

By 22oz

May 8, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

I think i read an article somewhere that Maddux is prone to peeing on rookie’s legs in the shower.

By A Matter of Perspective

May 8, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

If Marvin freeman or Pedro Borbon — or say, Mike Maddux — had done the same crude thing to Chipper’s souvenir, it would rightly be seen as a revolting act. But since it’s a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer who did it, it’s regarded as a side-splitter.

Anyway, thanks, Dave, for a gut-churning tale of dumb jocks and their hilarious hijinks. Really made my afternoon.

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

DOB - which member of DBT sings “The Company I Keep”?

By James

May 8, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Quoting from the article that talked about the lack of African-Americans on the Braves roster “But the fact of the matter is if they put resources into recruiting here in the United States, and more specifically here in Atlanta, there are talented players here.”

ummm true. but I don’t think the Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow-PUSH Coalition know a lick about Braves roster.

Jeff Francoeur - Atlanta Brian Mccann - Atlanta Kyle Davie - Decatur Chuck James - Atlanta etc etc

so the Braves are obvious NOT ignoring the Atlanta when they are scouting players and there ARE talented players in Metro Atlanta BUT they just aren’t blacks

If Jesse Jackson’s posse want to come out and say that the Braves (John Schuerholz and Bobby Cox etc etc.) racist, then they should come out and do so. But blindly accusing / demanding a team to do something is ridiculous

On another note, I don’t see Chinese people complaining about the lack of Chinese player in the NBA (1) even though there are 1.3 billion of us in the world. (maybe the NBA should scout China more)

Issues like affirmative action and what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton try to make a problem just always bother me because they never have the facts straight

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Nice DOB, You think the Braves would give a call to Bill Bavasi about Jeff Weaver? I know he stinks, but its worth a shot. Maybe they will pay 3/4’s of his salary.

By Willy Wally

May 8, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Cool stuff DOB about Maddux. Love that kind of stuff. Makes these guys realer to me. Makes me wish I was still a kid playing ball where we did that stuff to each other all the time. Oh, those were the days.

By TennesseePaul

May 8, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Nice DOB. I like how you followed up the AJ stats with “Never Gonna Change”

By Willy Wally

May 8, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

If Marvin freeman or Pedro Borbon — or say, Mike Maddux — had done the same crude thing to Chipper’s souvenir, it would rightly be seen as a revolting act. But since it’s a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer who did it, it’s regarded as a side-splitter. Anyway, thanks, Dave, for a gut-churning tale of dumb jocks and their hilarious hijinks. Really made my afternoon.

UMMMMMMMMMMM, someone obviously never played ball.

By Shaun

May 8, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

TennPaul, in your last post you said, “Every one of those [BaseballReference splits] shows that, when he swings the bat, he isn’t that successful. But who are we to say he needs to adjust his swing?”

But his career batting average is only .266. Andruw has never been a great hitter when he swings the bat. The hits he does get are often extra-base hits (hence the .504 career slugging pct.) and he draws a decent enough amount of walks to keep his OBP respectable (.345 career).

How is his career clutch hitting that much different than his overall hitting?

By Matthew At The SLC

May 8, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Saw an interesting article on SI.com today where they have Brian McCann rated as the 9th Current Most Valuable Player in all of baseball. Not the NL. ALL of baseball. The second highest catcher (of course, Mauer is rated higher, at 2nd, and Pujols is 1st) That’s the highest for the Braves, and almost 40 spots higher than Andruw Jones, the only other Brave on the list. Looks like SI.com knows something that Genius Bobby doesn’t. Othewise, we might see McCann hitting a little cleanup, providing a kick-start to the offense (if his finger is healthy) instead of watching Andruw flail about like he doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing or what pitches are coming.

I mean, that’s freaking awesome. We have the 9th current MVP in all of baseball, and the 2nd best player in all of baseball at the most important position on the diamond. So can you all STOP (and the Braves Brass need to hurry up and stop kidding themselves) the insane Salty talk. That kid needs to be moved to 1st base (where Thorman looks very replacable) so he can become the Next Big Hurt and our emergency catcher.

I knew McCann was awesome, and it’s nice to see the National Media see so as well. I mean, the kid is rated ABOVE AFraud! Isn’t that something?

By Chop Chop

May 8, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

I was in the Army and we pulled pranks like that as often as possible. That’s just the way guys are. It makes for fun stories to tell the kids. Okay, maybe some of them have to wait until the kids are a little older. I’m sure the funniest Mad Dog stories can’t be shared here, but I always appreciate the dugout and clubhouse stories. Thanks for that one, DOB.

By Frits

May 8, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Is there any reason to believe Lerew will pull it of tonight besides our sincere hopes and wishful thinking? Any news on the AJ thing, still batting 4th tonigh?. In your earlier blog I suggested to sent him to the minors. Knowing people from Curacao (I am one myself!) if somebody points out stubborness, we only answer it with becoming more stubborn. A stint in RIchmond would really clear his mind and put him back on earth. All other strategies are bound to fail. He will only become more and more an ironic persiflage of himself, of what he could have done

By flange1

May 8, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

I just read the Joe Morgan Chat on ESPN, and he recommends moving Andruw UP in the order and not down..

Talk about different…

By StingerSplash

May 8, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Fine choice of Isbell/DBT for the day. Got that on my iTunes. Will let those guitars blast later when everyone else leaves the office. If you want to get a sampling of just how Maddux is behind closed doors, there was an interview with David Wells in spring training — can’t remember if it was SI or a wire service — where Wells said Maddux does all the stuff people think Wells does. “He’s one sick dude.” (quote from Wells)

By Arkansas Hillbilly

May 8, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Ernesto,

“The Company I Keep” is sung by Patterson Hood.

—I see my past in everything that I despise

By matt

May 8, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

i still like smotlz and hudson and three days of cussin’

By Carolina Lady

May 8, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

A story told on the air by Skip Caray about Maddux:

After a home game, the team was leaving for an extended road trip. Maddux overheard one of the clubhouse boys telling another that he sure wanted to go to Texas (?) to attend a cousin’s wedding while the team was away, but he didn’t think his old car would make it.

Maddux tossed him the keys to his BMW (or whatever he was driving at the time) and told the kid to go have a nice time at the wedding; just put the car back in the parking lot when he got back.

Now that I like!

On the “other” topic relating to favoritism: I’ve never heard our National Anthem translated into Italian, German, Swiss, Polish or any other language. Neither have I seen signs posted all over creation in those languages. Hmm, why Spanish? Just a thought.

By MOP

May 8, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Nope, never played ball above youth level, but there’s a lot of gentlemen like Stan Musical and Cal Ripken Jr. and Willie Stargell who did, and I doubt they ever saw any humor in leaving a booger on a teammate’s ball.

I dearly hope Chipper kept the tradition alive Sunday by taking a dump on Saltalamacchia’s first Major League hit. I’ll bet they were rolling in the dugout floor!

Robot leads us to believe there’s only one donkey in the dugout. DOB shows us 25 is a more likely figure.

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 8, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Joe Morgan is usually backwards anyway.

By Lee

May 8, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Yep - it figures about Chipper’s ball. Maddox was always picking his nose. Funny though.

By Shaun

May 8, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Matthew At The SLC,

I just looked into that article on si.com. It’s done by Baseball Prospectus (so a lot of you guys and gals will ignore it even though McCann is #9).

It says the words “ultimate fantasy draft” but it’s not really about fantasy baseball. It takes into account a players total game, not just fantasy stats.

The concept is you run a team and basically the same contract and service-time rules apply but every player is treated as rookie after you draft them and price doesn’t matter.

Another warning for some of you: It does take into account PECOTA projections (although it’s not limited to statistical analysis).

By jed

May 8, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

I heard on ESPN a story that Maddux targeted a rookie in the shower, walked up to him, put his arm around him as if he had something important to say, and while the rookie was looking at him in the eye, Maddux proceeded to pee on his leg. Is this true or some sorta MLB urban legend?

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 8, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

To all blogophiles of faith, please pray for Chad Cordero of the Nats. He has been put on the bereavement list, and is on his way to CA to be with his grandmother, who is suffering from brain cancer. I can tell you from experience, losing a grandparent to cancer is awful. Even though the Nats are division foes, I would suggest that this is a little bigger than baseball.

Also, I was called away at 9:30 p.m. yesterday to the home of one of my church member’s kids. Her 18-yr old grandson committed suicide last night, and I was there to see them remove the body, etc. It has been a very trying 18 hours or so for the entire family, and for myself as well.

Somehow, baseball takes a back seat. Life is precious, friends, use each day to make the best impact you can in the lives of others.

By Porkins

May 8, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

DOB, thanks for the Maddux insight. My favorite thing to watch for when he pitches is his complete lack of control of the F bomb, the sh bomb, and the GD bomb on the mound. It’s so articulate, so pronounced. And the cameras catch it in all of its raw glory. Good for a two-minute laugh every time.

Long shot, here: Do you happen to own an Xbox 360? Because I’d be honored to play a game of MLB 2K7 with you. If not DOB, anybody else here would do as well.

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

I could be wrong but I believe that African Americans represent 13% or so of the American Population. So, not counting Edgar and Andruw ( who as everyone knows aren’t black) when Willie Harris plays left the Braves starting 9 is 11% African American.

Not that far off from being representative of the population.

As someone who cares about the issue eqaulity and hates racism, it just irks me how a group that should be fighting real battles can be so wrongheaded and counterproductive, okay, I’m done now…

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 8, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Great Maddux story, CL! How’s your mom, by the way? You can shoot me an e-mail if it’d be easier. I’ll get it in a few hours-school firewall blocks my Yahoo! email.

By Chop Chop

May 8, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

I have no problem with The Star-Spangled Banner being translated into Spanish or any other language…unless there’s a booger on the paper, of course.

By rupert

May 8, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

DOB, what does the future hold for Lerew with the big club? is this a sport start, or does he have a chance to stay with a good performance? What about devine and boyer down on the farm, any rumblings about one or both might be brought up?

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Thanks Hillbilly.

By StingerSplash

May 8, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Joe Morgan may be a Hall of Famer, but sometimes I wonder what game he’s watching (or not watching) when ESPN forces him and the usually very good Jon Miller on us for Sunday night baseball. Morgan misses a bunch of stuff, and the notion of having a guy who’s a career .266 hitter in the 3-hole is absurd. They’ll make him chase bad pitches and then pitch around Chipper, if he’s cleanup. If you drop Andruw, drop him to fifth. Put Chipper at 4 and McCann at 3. Now you’re L-R-L-L against a righty and L-R-L-R against a lefty, with two lefties who hit lefthanded pitching well (I know as currently constituted it’s L-R-L-R against RHP and L-R-R-R against LHP, but that last R isn’t hitting anybody’s HP right now).

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

You know who really is to blame for the lack of African Americans on the Braves thing? Jorge Sosa…if he didn’t suck, we’d have another African American…no wait, he wasn’t either, was he?

Okay, now I’m really done.

By Frits

May 8, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Ernesto, I really don’t know what to think of your comment that Andruw and Edgar are not black. Racism is absolutely the most arrogant stupidity people can commit, but who decides whether I am black or not? What kind of lunacy is that??. I said earlier, I am from the same island as Andruw, and yes it is a dutch colony and we do have a dutch passport but we still are who we are. Black and proud of it. We descent from former slaves (Curacao used to be a trading port for this kind of trade). Different here is that nobody judges about another and especcially not if you are black enough to be called black……yeeh

By NRBQ

May 8, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

*Hometown sweetheart Huggin’ round in the dark Oh we made a move or two

I was just a young fool Never been to night school Didn’t know enough to be cool

So she found another lover They went undercover The way she stole my love was a crime

In order to keep the peace Callin’ out the police Find her ‘fore I lose my mind

The woman I love done gone and left me you know She’s got a big bad record on the heartbreak radio.*

Texas Roots music from Delbert McClinton live in Thomson, Georgia at the Blind Willie Blues Festival this Saturday.

Also scheduled: Francine Reed, Rory Block, The Wiyos, John Nemeth, and The Breeze Kings.

Bios, ticket info and directions at BlindWillie.com.

By Shaun

May 8, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Matthew At The SLC,

I think they rate McCann higher because of his position and because ARod is likely to start declining the next few seasons (although he’ll probably be great for quite a while longer).

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Frits, my man, that was sarcasm. Andruw and Edgar aren’t black according the the RC/PUSH, not me.

By David Gilmour

May 8, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

On the Turning Away,

From the pale and down-trodden.

And the words they say which we won’t understand.

Don’t except that what’s happening,

is just a case of all the suffering,

or you’ll find that you’re joining in

The Turning away…..

By ncscoots

May 8, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

I’m trying to manage my expectations on Lerew tonight. Lincecum was a man among boys in AAA, just silly-scary-Bingo-ERA good, and got pasted pretty well in his ML debut. Lerew, on the other hand, has been at least been up before, though not as a starter, so maybe that will take some jitters away. Throw gas and hit the corners, young man, there’s a spot waiting to be had, I think…

But watch your toes…

By brent a.

May 8, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

From my very limited perspective, it just appears that this group of players does not hit all that well at Turner Field.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the team start raking again, when it goes back on the road.

But, there are probably numbers out there that disprove my theory. Oh, well.

By Frits

May 8, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

ok Ernest, my mistake then…..wish these RC/Push guys had brought a good prospect, I mean a guy that pitches not only the first three innings acceptable, but could continu that to (ridiculous thought I know) could continu to do that into the seventh inning……that would be something!

By intothemystic

May 8, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

David,

I completely agreed with your irritation last night about the uproar on race (and your advice to either read it or not read it, but move on). I thought your tone was a bit condescending when dismissing the confusion about the ethnicity of certain players, however. Hopefully I’m mistaken, because I love your blog.

It is not necessarily an indication of either racism or ignorance to have a question about the ethnicity of players from Central America, South America, or one of the islands in the Caribbean. In fact, there are many people (and players) of African descent who live in Central America, South America, and the islands in the Caribbean. These people speak Spanish, and none of them would be correctly identified as African-Americans (in fact, that term is viewed as a pejorative one by many non-Americans of African descent).

Knowing that many of these countries possess a sizable population of people descended from some combination of African and French, Spanish, Portuguese, or Dutch ancestry, am I therefore a racist if I have a question about the race of a player? Neither curiosity nor confusion about someone’s race should be off limits.

I assumed Andruw volunteered to wear Jackie Robinson’s jersey because he had some, however minute, African ancestry. What’s the problem with that? I am wrong or shamefully ignorant for assuming that? It’s not that strange… . In fact, it’s an informed assumption.

Nick

By TennesseePaul

May 8, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

KC: Just to get your blood to the appropriate boiling point… Dayn Perry has the Mets at #3 in the rankings despite losing two key players to the DL. He has the Braves dropping 2 slots even though the lone player he lists on the DL shouldn’t be missed because his replacements are solid.

By Steve McP

May 8, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

just had a quick look at Lerew’s effort in 06 - had forgotten how awful it was! He carries a major league ERA from last year of 22 into this game!

Apparently according to Bobby he has been “lights out” this year though in the Minors, but he would say that would he not.

Should be an interesting couple of nights, we have two brand new starters today and then the old war horses go at it tomrrow, should be fun and hopefully all we want to talk about is the baseball.

By rammerjammer

May 8, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Lerew and Salty were together for a time at AA Miss last season. Might relax the kid if Salty caught him again tonight.

By eric the elder

May 8, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

The Braves wanted to set a timetable for Lance Cormier’s return, but Bush vetoed it.

By Shart

May 8, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

I think you can blame McCann’s slump on getting his fingers slammed by a bat twice in a two week period. It’s probably affecting his top hand when he swings.

By meansonny

May 8, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

ppaddy123

I agree with your post on the last board. Who knows what’s in store for Salty? But I cringe with McCann getting dinged up behind the plate (and grind my teeth when he’s out of the lineup).

By Bob, journalist

May 8, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

I wonder what Maddog thinks of Andruw’s hitting approach? I doubt that we’ll ever know … but my quess is that he’s licking his chops in anticipation.

Having one’s cake and eating it too … from the previous Blog It would be dumb for him to go chasing pitches out of the strikezone … goodness!

Why does everyone keep calling Andruw’s misadventures at the plate a slump … it’s an ineffective, inexcusable, highly exploitable approach, it is it is … and were it anyone other than our hero … in less than a Curacoan minute, we’d be clamoring for him to be placed on the DL for medical reasons; assuming of course that mental illness qualifies.

To think that Andruw can’t hit is inane … his performance before reaching stardom bespoke a .350 major league power hitting, base stealing centerfielder.

To be critical of Braves’ management for “allowing” Andruw to fail to reach his potential a hitter is nonproductive other than the hope that someone reads it and is prompted to take some “affirmative” action … what’s done is done … but it’s obvious that someone did a good job of developing his enormous talent from the ground up.

Why in the world did they stop when they got to the neck?!

He’s only 30 … there’s still time!

That’s what we were saying when he was 20 and 21 and 22 and 23 … talk’s cheap … don’t you think it time to do something about it?

No question but that ESPN is wrong as usual … Andruw’s best position in the order is ninth … I really do think that, for reasons previously given … but it does give the opposing pitcher the added option of walking our pitcher without being critized.

My teenaged grandson watched a game recently … “Andruw Jones sure doesn’t know much about hitting … he’s not very smart is he” … I don’t think it was a question.

By ohforfour

May 8, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

First thing we gotta do is find the person (Efrim) who said Jeff Weaver is worth a shot, take him (Efrim) out in the backyard and beat him with a rock. Then throw him off a cliff…

Just kidding, of course. But are you serious?

By N8

May 8, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Carolina Lady

Your 3:52 post, is the story that I was gonna say was my favorite that I read/heard.

The man is class in every sense of the word. Oh….he could pitch a little too.

By Bob, journalist

May 8, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

If we will but relax and play fundamentally sound baseball … the talent is there, if not the names.

By Steve McP

May 8, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Just following on from DOB’s comments about tomorrows match up; there is a nice article from Mark Bowman (yes really) on the Braves site about Smoltz & Maddux

By Fred from CT

May 8, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

ohforfour

You don’t think weaver is better then redman or davies. I just watched weaver pitch against the yankees this weekend and he is better then both of those guys. weaver is a vetern with talent a little bit of a head case but a lot better then davies redman.

By pitbull

May 8, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

Terrence Moore is such a f******* moron. he just said that curt schilling made those comments about Bonds and steroids because he was going for John Kerry’s spot in the Senate.?. And he said it with a straight face like he had figured out some master plan. i hope it was just a joke but get this man off of tv and back to his desk before he humiliates the atl and the ajc anymore.

By James

May 8, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

As it was written on the braves website, the reason for lerew’s success this year is he stopped throwing his split finger pitch, the pitch that batters began to drool over when they saw it coming.

By Richard Cory

May 8, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Sorry folks—but my last 2 cents worth. Perfect way for JS to handle the Rev.’s Jackson, Sharpton or whomever— “Go get us a good, black pitcher, or a good, black position player and we will be glad to sign them. We have a bit of trouble, finding them, and will greatly appreciate your help.”

By bergian

May 8, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

GRINCH more q-jet info…you mentioned on the other blog how it bogged , coughed, just as the secondaries opened. Does that late a carb still have a typical choke pulloff/vacuum break/whathaveyou, on the passenger side of the carb? If so, take the little vacuum hose off it, and take a longer hose(Perhaps from the windshield washer injectors) Put it over the nipple, and suck! Hold the suction either with your tounge, or if you are fast, with your finger. The rod in the Diaphragm should stay pulled in with the vacuum holding it. If the rod in the Diaphragm releases right away , then it’s ruptured, and needs to be replaced. They often break since they are forever moving…

I double dog dare ya to not turn what I said above into something dirty! ;)

By Richard Cory

May 8, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Mets Reyes—suspended for 100 games by the commissioner’s office. Just read it on CBS sportsline.

By gotigers72

May 8, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Last night the Mutts moved Carlos Delgado [.214] from the 4 spot and put Moises Alou [.350 something] hitting cleanup. Smart move Willie Randolph. A hint to Bobby Cox. You can’t keep hitting a .220 hitter at cleanup when the 3 guys in front of him have those high on base percentages. It’s a rally killer for sure. Take a clue from someone that hasn’t managed long.

By meansonny

May 8, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Richard Cory,

Do you think we can get Dontrelle Willis to be bused over on the M to M program (minorities to majorities for those of you without kids the past 30 years)?

By Richard Cory

May 8, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

meansonny—sounds lkie a plan!!

By Daybed Wagmoe

May 8, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

it’s not a gross maddux story by any means, but i like the one where he was pitching and got bases-loaded with no outs (or runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs). cox came out to ask him if he was alright, and he said, “yeah, i’ve got them right where i want them. i’m gonna get this guy to pop-out to chipper, then the next guy’s gonna ground into a double play.” and that’s just what happened.

By Lew

May 8, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Richard Cory-It was Jorge Reyes a Mets minor league player-not their All Star shortstop. It was the guy’s second offense and it is a 100 game suspension. I guess this is how the Mets are building up their farm system.

By Barrett

May 8, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

pitbull- You didn’t like Terrence Moore on Jim Rome? I can’t believe that… Mr. Moore is a plethora of knowledge. Seriously. I live and die by his written word…..

or something like that.

By Steve McP

May 8, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Just an update on the Reyes story - it is the minor league pitcher Jorge Reyes not Jose that has got the 100 game ban.

By joebrave

May 8, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Andruw aint racist he gots a white wife

By joebrave

May 8, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

And now I really miss G.Maddux in a braves Uni.He was such a pleasure to watch,an absolute master on the mound.Too bad we all get old.And DOB you mention a lot of guitarist where does Brad Paisley rank with you?

By David O'Brien

May 8, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Salty’s catching tonight, in part to give McCann (finger) more rest, in part because Salty’s familiar with Lerew, etc.

Renteria’s back in lineup.

Rupert, you’re asking me about Lerew before he’s even made a start. Ask me again after tonight’s game, because anything I say right now could be rendered fairly irrelevent if he pitches great or terribly….

Cormier’s making progress. Talked to him today and he threw without any pain or discomfort yesterday, was going to throw from a little farther today, then have a bullpen in a couple days. He think he’ll only need a few minor league starts and a couple of bullpens.

By choppin Chuck

May 8, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

The Braves really need to get on a roll here. It seems the Braves just can’t put together a 4-6 game winning streak. They win 1 game then lose one game, win 2 games then lose one game, win one game lose 2 games….

Someone other than Hudson and Smoltz needs to start pitching to give this team a chance to put some distance between the us and the Mets. This is a great opportunity to gain some ground on the Mets because they are hurting for starting pitching and are on a pretty tough road trip.

I know the Braves are better than they have been playing over the past few days, but they had better start winning or we may just start slipping. I know it is still early, but the Mets are not a team we need to fall very far behind.

By TennesseePaul

May 8, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Cory: That’s Jorge Reyes not Jose Reyes. Sheeesh! Careful throwing those Reyes’ around. You could kill a man.

By joebrave

May 8, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Ahh! those Fabulous Thunderbirds now that was a band.

By meansonny

May 8, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Mike gonzalez is on the pregame radio right now.

He sounds like a real cool guy. He says the right things about how whomever pitches in the eighth(he or soriano) really fires up whomever gets the ball in the 9th.

I like him. He says the right things.

By David O'Brien

May 8, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Oh, and it was Colyer designated for assignment to make room for Lerew, not Barry being sent down. Barry’s still with the team.

Braves have 10 days to trade Colyer or get him through waivers and ask him if he wants to pitch at Richmond. They’d like to keep him if nobody wants him and he’ll go to Richmond.

By Bob, journalist

May 8, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

It’s obvious that Andruw needs to change his tune … how about “don’t let the stars … “?

My last post just appeared on the previous Blog …

“Shaun, I also don’t think he’s getting himself out in clutch situations … you may be right … neither do I but somebody sure is!

When you said he didn’t swing at pitches out of the strikezone, a joke … right?

As an aside, Methinks 10Paul has been hitting homeruns for a long, long time.

Three out of four is still there to be had … enjoy!

Now, back to real time … It’s interesting because I’ve being using the refresh button for at least the last 30 minutes … that, plus the fact that the one above it was a 4:51 to me from the Savannah Guy.

Intothemystic’s 4:22 on the previous Blog was an excellent read too! However, I don’t understand the notion that the term “African-American” is considered pejorative by many Non-Americans of Africian decent … is it not more likely they are pleased not to be “mistakenly identified”.

I would think that many Negroids, who are themselves Americans, would consider being identified as “African-American” as pejorative … just as I’m not too sure I would want to be identifed as an European-American.

“European American” is an unfortunate term in that it is much too broad … it relates to three continents … North America, South America, and Europe … goodness!

No, American suits me just fine; thank you very much!

By Josh GT

May 8, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately, the Braves rotation is beginning to precipitate a new phrase: “Hudson and Smoltz, then pray for lightning bolts.”

By The Grinch

May 8, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

Berigan…swapping short and long hoses, nipples and suction, being fast with tongue and finger to maintain a vacuum around the diaphram…what amongst those words/actions do you imagine I would construe as dirty? You must have a very different opinion of my libido than most folks; people who know me well know I practically insist on showers taking place before those activities. Actually, that’s not true either. :-) I’ll be back around her tommorrow afternoon, where I’ll withdraw my little hose, replace it with my tongue and see what happens. I sure to god hope that diaphram doesn’t rupture; she’s expensive enough as she is. And don’t get any ideas, folks; we’re talking about a classic car (often referred to as female) and a part on her engine that mixes air and fuel. Get your minds out of the gutter. Berigan, could this be affecting emissions? Should I have a professional jam his hose into her tailpipe to see?

By choppinmama

May 8, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

bergian: I was just catching up on today’s blogging and I blushed at your 5:18 post!

Saw Terrence Moore on yesterday’s Jim Rome show discussing the SI (I think) polls about white and black responses to the whole Barry Bonds fiasco. This guy can only play one note………..the R note.

By meansonny

May 8, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Mike gonzalez is on the pregame radio right now.

He sounds like a real cool guy. He says the right things about how whomever pitches in the eighth(he or soriano) really fires up whomever gets the ball in the 9th.

I like him. He says the right things.

By BIG DADDY

May 8, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

The entire lineup is in a funk right now, the hitters and starters with the exception of Smoltz and Hudson. The bullpen is about the only bright spot.

Andruw simply refuses to play team baseball by not even trying to hit to right field with RISP or with two strikes on him. At least he could give that concession. So, to answer the question from the last blog I’d move him down to 6th for sure. As a matter of fact I’d platoon the cleanup spot between McCann and Francoeur depending on whether a RHP or LHP was starting.

Otherwise I’d leave the lineup alone, for sure not mess with KJ. Harris is doing fine and can hit anywhere in the lineup it seems. I’d find a way to keep him in there. Diaz is coming up recently but Harris is the better of the two in defense and is doing just as well or better with the bat.

A move downward to the No. 6 slot could just be what Andruw needs to get his attention. He is in need of something of that order. I still don’t think of him as being overly bright so a shock may be what is needed to get his attention.

By Brian

May 8, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Another Maddux story that I once heard on a WSB power lunch…

Marcus Giles was knocked out while playing a ground ball from a base runner running from 1st to 2nd. He was really woozy in the dugout. As he came to he asked Maddux why Bobby Cox pulled him from the game.

Maddux said “You don’t remember?”

Giles said “No.”

Maddux told him he had wet his pants and Bobby had to pull him from the game.

Giles started to believe him.

I laughed for days upon hearing this.

By Roper

May 8, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

Bob, journalist,

“American” is an unfortunate term in that it is much too broad … it relates to two continents … North America, and South America, including a quarter of the earth’s land mass … goodness!

By chip

May 8, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Hey DOB, what’s the latest with Aybar? I haven’t heard anything in days. We’re all assuming he’s got a drug problem and the Braves are trying to keep it quiet…is there any movement on this front? And what would you say the odds are that he plays for the team this year?

By Steve McP

May 8, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Here we go - it would a lovely “that’s baseball” thing if todays game between the new kids is a pitching duel and tomorrows game is a run fest!

By parks

May 8, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

please nobody say anything about Lerew’s performanceso far, PLEASE!

By Richard Cory

May 8, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

Hey Guys—I knew who it was, after all I read the story. I just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention. TennPaul, hope your blood pressure didn’t shoot way up. :]]]

By Greg in TN

May 8, 2007 7:44 PM | Link to this

Evening denizens…

Nice night for a ballgame on Hank Aaron Drive tonight from the looks of things.

Great stories on Greg Maddux by DOB and CL. We miss him for sure, but not just for what he did on the mound.

Not a bad first inning from Anthony Lerew. Fell behind on Marcus and Adrian Gonzalez, but got through the inning without any problems. Good to see Renteria is feeling better and back in the lineup tonight.

By TennesseePaul

May 8, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

So, is this kid good or are the Braves swinging at crap?

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

Thor just miss that one…..

Okay Lash… 3 up 3 down again…

By Glass Half Full (GHF)

May 8, 2007 8:03 PM | Link to this

Will Lerew and Davies be out of options after this season?

By TennesseePaul

May 8, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

Crap. Cameron can’t hit anything and all of the sudden our rookie gives it up. To get back at the Padres, our hitters will be baffled by yet another rookie. Why is this? Do we rely to much on scouting reports, leaving all these call ups as total unknowns?

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

Okay, nice come back after the homer..

By TennesseePaul

May 8, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

4 Ks. Not bad. We need to get him some run support

By Eric from MO

May 8, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

Why again is Jessie Jackson allowed in baseball?

By brian

May 8, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

back to last night’s blog - who would have thought that the weak link offensively this year would be in CF? Players always ask for more money when the have good years, but I have a hard time believing Boras will decrease his contract demands if Andruw continues with this poor performance. Even if he did, I would not want to sign him to a 5-7 year deal at $18 million/year because I would be afraid this is the start of a decline. AJ should be moved down in the order to get his attention and to give him time to work out his mechanics and get his groove back.

I see that Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow coalition had to meet with the Braves because they don’t have the right quota of players. I wonder if they meet with the Hawks because their racial makeup does not correspond to the overall population. Give me a break. The sports teams these days will play the best possible player period and that is the way it should be. For the teams there is too much riding on wins and losses - money and jobs. Managers get fired and teams lose money when they lose and I believe they do play the best available player regardless of race or nationality. I have never heard one complaint about Cox being hard on someone or sitting one because of their ethnic background. The best player should get the minutes no matter where they come from or what color of their skin, and anybody who gives racial preferences should be held accountable. I think Rainbow is barking up the wrong tree here.

Any rumblings about James being sent back to Richmond to find his control if only for 2 weeks? I love James and think he will be great for years to come but the past 3 weeks have been painful to watch

By N8

May 8, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this

3 hits in the last 11 innings, huh?

By Greg in TN

May 8, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

TennPaul,

Germano’s got a pretty effective curve so far that he’s getting over for strikes.

By N8

May 8, 2007 8:17 PM | Link to this

How come everybody wants to come up with a “catch phrase” for the rotation.

Let’s just call it what it is right now:

TWO FIFTHS OF A BIG LEAGUE ROTATION.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this

Well that is about as efficient as you can get from Germano.

By BabyGoatEater

May 8, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

Lerew looks ok so far.

By N8

May 8, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this

Actually if you go back to the hitless 8th inning on Sunday against the Dodgers, we now have 3 hits over our last 13 innings.

I’m telling you. I don’t care if I have a rotation of Sandy Koufax, Cy Young, Greg Maddux and Bob Gibson. If I’m managing a team facing the Braves in the post season, I’m starting a rookie that they have NEVER seen before in game 1. I don’t care if it’s a kid from “A” Ball, if they haven’t seen him, and he throws strikes (because we’ve all seen the Braves take advantage of nervous rookies that can’t get the ball over the plate), he can literally SHUT DOWN a Bobby Cox led offense.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this

sure not getting calls on the corners

By chrisklob

May 8, 2007 8:26 PM | Link to this

Hudson and Smoltz, then a bunch of dolts.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

Larew looks better than most of the guys they have been running out there lately.

By geauxbraves2000

May 8, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this

Typical Braves game facing a new pitcher. This team can make rookie pitchers and 10.00 era pitchers look like Cy Young canditates sometimes.

Geaux Braves!!

By David O'Brien

May 8, 2007 8:37 PM | Link to this

Lerew’s pitching quite well.

Both of these pitchers look better than what the Braves have run out there on most non-Hudson/Smoltz nights.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this

Well Andruw did walk there. I feel like they wanted Francouer.

By brewdawg

May 8, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

After watching Cameron lose that ball, maybe it’s time to put up some outfield lights, if that would make a difference. Can’t seem to remember it being this big of a problem in the past though.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Well…. at least he is not walking a bunch of guys before giving up the dingers…..

By N8

May 8, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this

I’ll say this. I’ll take what Lerew is doing tonight, over what Chuck did last night.

Not bad. Not great, but we’re in the game. Well actually the way we’re hitting the ball, 2 runs is probably enough.

Way to “take one for the team” Thorman.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 8:48 PM | Link to this

Lets start this kid sunday in Pittsburgh!!!

By N8

May 8, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

That’s gonna be the “irony” of it. Lerew’s gonna stick around, end up being the 3rd best starter, Chuck’s gonna struggle and Davies and Redman will be……well Davies and Redman.

Thus leaving us right where we are right now. In need of consistancy from the 4th and 5th guys.

I wonder what Steve Avery is doing?

By Bobby

May 8, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

Why not McCann as PH? Lerew has already thrown 90+pitches. We are not exactly getting runners on easily!

Also DOB, any trade waters churning?

By The Grinch

May 8, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this

A 7 pitch inning in the 6th…wonder if that’s EVER happened to Davies or Redman at any level (other than them getting yanked after 7 pitches). Now, if we can just get Woodward’s bat in there…

By JJMB

May 8, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this

A couple of things that annoy me about the modern television baseball coverage. I know, I know, it’s all about endorsements, but does there have to be a “play, drive, call, pitch, etc.” of the game, in the 3rd inning??? Of the GAME?

The other has been much longer lived. That is using extremely short term stats to be “entertaining.” So and so has a hitting streak of 3 games! His average over the period is .370!

Annoying.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Wow. Kelly is struggling.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

HAVE TO GET A RUN HERE!!!!

By Bobby

May 8, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

DOB, Is Paul Byrd available?

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

YEA DRUW!!!!

By Steve McP

May 8, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

Andruw is a wonderful player how could we have doubted

By HP

May 8, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this

Andruw Jones finally gets a hit!!!!!!

By Bobby

May 8, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

What is MLB record for extra-base hits without a single in one game?

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this

Last two at bats for Francouer were good ones even if they were outs… Hitting the ball hard to right field. If he keeps doing that he will have more hits than outs….

By Savannah Guy

May 8, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this

Andruw is affecting all Braves hitters this past week. And it ain’t pretty tonight…again. Seems like groundhog day. Cox please tell Dru to fein a back strain, put him on day2dayDL, let him hit balls in his basement, get the rest of the team sparked. You won’t see AJ work out of this by himself in less than another 3 weeks (ok you can mark that down and play it back at the end of May).

DOB were you gonna talk to Cox with all these suggestions about batting order, right?

Real live game moment: Renty just smacked one to the wall…damn…speak o’ tha druvil…he just hit one too. Guess he feels like he’s needing no hitting help now. Shaun feels justified in all of his AJ stats. The rest of are happy we got a run on the board.

Shaun, for you, “There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies and statistics”. Mark Twain

Go Braves.

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 9:09 PM | Link to this

Didn’t we get swept in 4 in SD last year at the beginning of the season. Dman Padres. And who’s thsi Cy Germano kid…how have we never heard of this ace before…we’re in a serious no-ffense funk. Maybe those last 3 blasts will loosen us up.

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

LET’S GET SOME RUNS!!!!!!!!!!

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

Quick half inning. Nice job Yates!

By brian

May 8, 2007 9:11 PM | Link to this

Lerew definitely deserves another start after tonight’s performance. Solid. Gave the Braves a chance to win. Not much more you can ask from the rookie tonight.

Now the Braves hitters MUST turn it around or it will not matter who is starting (or how good of a bullpen we have now).

Great point about the walks DOB. What ever happened to going after the hitters and avoiding walks like the above mentioned Maddux?

By James

May 8, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

No matter the fact he gave up 2 homeruns, he was outstanding in his first start with seven strikeouts.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

Look at the numbers of San Diego’s bullpen. That is some serious depth.

By HP

May 8, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

Anthony Lerew pitched very good tonight. 6IP 2H 2ER 2BB 7SO is not bad for a strating pitcher. It is better than our 3rd, 4th, and 5th starting pitchers so far into the season. I hope he gets to pitch another start.

By meansonny

May 8, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

Ernesto,

We were 7-2 last season against the Pads.

I think it was 2 seasons ago where we realy struggled against the left coast.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this

Wow. Brocail had just as quick of an inning. Someone is going to have to hit a home run tonight.

By Bobby

May 8, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this

Sad thing is Braves only have two SO! Reminds me of playoff game, putting ball in play but nothing to show for it.

By john

May 8, 2007 9:20 PM | Link to this

DOB- did you see that black rebel moto club is at the roxy on june 7.

By HP

May 8, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

Braves are getting easy outs. The reason why the braves hitter are struggling is because they are not going into deep counts.

By Bobby

May 8, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

Quick question, who do you leadoff bottom of 8th with?

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

I guess Bobby is saving McCann to bat in Thorman or Salty’s spot???

By N8

May 8, 2007 9:32 PM | Link to this

A few notes of interest.

1) Everybody keeps talking about the Smoltz-Maddux duel tomorrow and how it’s gonna be a “good one” or a “dandy”.

I find it hard to believe that other than the sentimental value and interest to Braves fans, that it’s gonna be any better pitched than tonights game was.

2) Our starters are 10-10, Josh Beckett is about to get his 7th win.

WOW!!

3) Judging by his new found “relaxed” approach since the cautionary MRI, Gonzalez (and his 1.26) ERA has been EVERY BIT AS GOOD, if not better than advertised, while LaRoche has been about the only player more pathetic than Andruw in the NL. (Imagine if he was still here - how would those 4-5 holes in the order look….YIKES).

Making this trade an early victory for the Braves, and that’s without knowing what McCauley Culkin….er, Brent Lillebridge is gonna do down the road.

By Me

May 8, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

Efrim: are you arab or hispanic?

By Greg in TN

May 8, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

Atta boy Edgar!

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

EDGAR!!!!!!!!!

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

Edgar is money!!!

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this

mean sonny - was it SF then? I remember someone sweeping us out there to start the season and we didn’t get back to 500 before we swept the Cubs in Wrigley…then the June Swoon!!

By N8

May 8, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Three numbers to describe Andruw’s upcoming AB:

6 4 3

By HP

May 8, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Did I just not say that Braves hitter are hitting better when they go into deep counts. Good Job Renteria. Go Braves!!!!

By Greg in TN

May 8, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

AJ, meet right field, right field, meet AJ.

Nice…

By chrisklob

May 8, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

Andruw, see what happens when you use the other side of the field!

By HP

May 8, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

Andruw Jones is back!!!!!!

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

Yeah, that ERA…he ain’t pretty no more.

By N8

May 8, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

I stand corrected. And the hit went to RF.

It’s about frickin’ time.

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

Don’t let up… need every run we can get. At least one more with Chipper at third and only one out….

Now, if Andruw remebers what he just did right…

By Bobby

May 8, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this

Huge night for Andruw pysche-wise and for team’s confidence in him. Even on slow offense night, he came up three times with RISP!

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

DANG!!!!!!!

By Tomahawkin' Again

May 8, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

Omigod…did Andruw just get a base hit to center field??!!?? Ya Gotta Love Them Battlin’ Braves!

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:43 PM | Link to this

Me,

Albanian.

By ChucktownBrave

May 8, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

Did I just witness a light bulb going on in AJ’s head?

Man, I hope so.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

That hurts Frenchy. At least he is trying to use the other side of the field.

By Me

May 8, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

Efrim: interesting. I never met an Albanian. I would figure that you would like soccer. Good stuff.

By Willy Wally

May 8, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

Oh crap, did he really have to get that hit to win the game? How insufferable is Shaun going to be now about Druw when he shows up for work tomorrow morning? It’s really bad when you start rooting against your team and favorite players just so that Shaun gets no satisfaction. Just kidding (sort of).

Way to go Druw! Go Bravos!

By parks

May 8, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

this bullpen is prob going to extend my life 5 years

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

That was a very nice win……

By James

May 8, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

What the hell was that big breaking pitch it showed on Gameday. Good 99 mph heat

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

Braves win!!!!! Braves win!!!!!! Braves win!!!!!!

That was huge! With the offense sputtering I really thought another loss could be the start of something ugly. One more win and it’s a positive homestand. Good times.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

Yea, I like soccer too, but I am a die hard Bravos fan.

GREAT WIN!!!!

By Willy Wally

May 8, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

Efrim, please, the glow radiating off your albanian skin is hurting my eyes.

By Brad in MT

May 8, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

What a game tonight…between Lerew’s good outing and Andruw hitting that ball the opposite way, I have some hope that they are going to put this little skid behind them…GO BRAVES

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 8, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Way to go Bravos! I needed a good win from Los Bravos. Great job guys!

It’s a shame that Maddux-Smoltz won’t be on TBS tomorrow. Since I am not in the Southeast, I don’t have access to Sports South or FSN-South. I’ll listen to Pete and Skip after church, though, and root for the Braves to win again!

BTW, are Gonzo and Soriano lights-out or what? Wicky, get well soon, but the fireballers are holding the fort fine, thank you.

By LT

May 8, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Looks like BC’s patience with AJ paid off tonight. Won them the game. BC is a genius!

By Greg in TN

May 8, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Great night at the ballpark from the home team.

I’m really impressed with the job Lerew did tonight. Win or lose, the kid came out and pitched well, kept us in the game and gave us a chance to win it. Another good night by the pen and I love having Soriano and Gonzalez out there late in the game.

Nice seeing AJ hit to right in the 8th. Don’t know if this is a sign of things to come just yet, but I’ll take what he did at the plate tonight.

By Tomahawkin' Again

May 8, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

Can I throw something out for the Braves fans to consider? Keep Soriano & Gonzalez as your main closers and dangle Wickman (if/when healthy) on the trade market to a team desperate for bullpen help? Just typing out loud…GREAT WIN TONIGHT! Go Giants!!

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 8, 2007 9:54 PM | Link to this

Braves pitching only gave up three hits tonight, although two of them were bombs. Lerew, welcome to the bigs. Do that again, and you may be Redman’s permanent replacement.

DOB someone earlier asked about any possible trades in the works for a pitcher. Have you heard any whispers, or are the Braves even looking yet? Thanks.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

Willy Wally,

I’m not that pale dude.

By BabyGoatEater

May 8, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Glad to see Andruw coming through, with a hit to left center. Lerew has a nasty change that tails away from hitters. If he can stay in control and pitch down, with his three pitches (see Chuck James) he might be the third pitcher we’ve so desperately needed. Possibly. Hope to see him again Sunday (I’ll be there, sorry just exited to see the Braves live this year).

DOB Whats up with McCann, his finger bothering him again?

By Me

May 8, 2007 10:02 PM | Link to this

How many people on this blog do not live in Georgia? Just curious how many others have to suffer when the Braves aren’t on TBS. I’m stuck watching Marlins-Dodgers. I’d rather sit with a hot poker up my butt than watch the Marlins.

By BabyGoatEater

May 8, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Matthew Dad to Walter

I live in PA and can’t get SportSouth. I watch every game on MLB.TV. I hook it up to my TV via video card. It’s pretty good quality and I only have the 400mbs package ($14.99). They have a 700mbs package. You should look into it.

By Willy Wally

May 8, 2007 10:04 PM | Link to this

Efrim, my bad. I thought you were saying Albino not Albanian. Yes, I am a retard.

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

On a Maddux note, I was lucky enough to play in the Bobby Cox Charity Golf thing back 94-96 - played with Avery,Tyler Houston, McMicheal, can’t remember all the others, got heckled by Maddux (in a cart in front of us waiting for us to hit fairway woods - I skulled it - Maddux “Run it out! That’s a good bunt!”) They all seemed like guys who enjoyed each otehr’s company and din’t mind b*sting balls - in a good way.

By meansonny

May 8, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this

greg in TN

Great post earlier on Andruw. I was laughing out loud.

Tomahawkin,

I was thinking about Salty on the trading block for starting pitching. Maybe we can throw Wick in a 3 team deal for a solid starter. Trade excess for need.

By parks

May 8, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this

Me, just fork out the bucks for MLB.TV or extra innings on cable or direct tv. Otherwise next year you are going to really suffer

By Steve McP

May 8, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this

Keep wickman - these two are great, but will tire if we have to use them every day, we can’t keep having close games and using them up - with Wickman around as well the late innings cover looks incredible as we work through the heavy workload of the season - although if a team was desperate enough to offer a proven starter for an aging closer with maybe only one more season left we would be foolish to turn it down - more likely trade offer would be for Gonzo or Soriano, but I cant see the Braves letting either one go

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Willy Wally,

No problem. Not many people know where Albania is anyways. Haha.

I was very impressed with Lerew. I just saw him on Baseball Tonight throwing gas. I had to watch the game on Gameday. It sucks so much. I am currently watching Mets Giants. Matt Cain’s numbers are scary. He throws a HEAVY ball.

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

I’m up here in NYC, rooting for the Giants right now.

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

Oh but that’s not good, Reyes just started off with a g.r. double, would have easily been a triple.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

I agree. Keep Wickman.

By Ron

May 8, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

brewdawg, Why put up lights for. Andruw and Frenchy are used to it, Harris will get used to it. The way I see it, the twilight is our Homefield Advantage!!!

By ernesto

May 8, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

3 zip Mets. I might find myself rooting for Barroid tonight (shudder.) Everytime I hear that “we might have had Barry story, but it did’t work out so we got Maddux” I think that’s a trade off I’m so glad happened.

By Matt

May 8, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

For those of you watching on gameday did you notice the amount of outside pitches being called for strikes tonight? If you were watching on tv was it as bad as it looked on gameday?

By Willy Wally

May 8, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this

Efrim, I actually grew up around a lot of Albanians in NYC. In fact, I can’t recall an apartment building that I ever grew up in that was not owned by an Albanian. Some mighty shrewd businessmen, good landlords, and good people.

By BabyGoatEater

May 8, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

3-0 muts already…..hate watching them but couldn’t help sneaking a peak. I wish they would go away.

By Willy Wally

May 8, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Magic Number is 131!

By Ron

May 8, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Me, I live in Mississippi, the Braves came on Sports South here!!!

By Willy Wally

May 8, 2007 10:34 PM | Link to this

cool story ‘bout maddux, ernesto.

By meansonny

May 8, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

Efrim, I don’t disagree. Budgetwise, I don’t see how we could do much better having a position player like Salty next season making the league minimum. Then sign a pitcher in Free Agency.

And we need all the bullpen help we can this season.

But if it took an old reliever to a contender and a young switch hitting catcher to pry a reliable starter near the end of a contract from a losing team (which we may be able to renew with any money leftover after Smoltz and Hudson’s extensions from Andruw’s salary. And using the extra $6.5M from Wick).

I’d definitely consider it. I don’t know who’s available. But I’m thinking a Hudsonesque pitcher with a career ERA <=3.50

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

Yea they own tons of buildings in the NYC area.

By Efrim

May 8, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

DOB, Where you at?

How about Lerew? Is he definetly getting that Sunday start against the Pirates???

By Savannah Guy

May 8, 2007 10:39 PM | Link to this

A win is a salve that makes everything feel better…and AJ got big hits. If he came out of his slump tonight I’ll be thrilled…(and wrong on my earlier posted prediction), but I don’t think so. Not yet with that flailing swing.

The game belonged to our rookie pitcher. Lerew was amazing. Great outing. Guts personified.

So after reading all the starting pitcher poetry today, I’ll close with:

Smoltzy and Huddy may now have a winning buddy. Joining the big two is a hard-hurlin’ lad named Lerew.

Good night my fellow Braves fans.

By Train Wreck Bystander

May 8, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this

Well, I am not in Georgia but I am in the Braves media market. So I get the Braves on SportSouth, FSN South, TBS… basically all the games.

Correct me if I am wrong… I believe the Braves territory is Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and South Carolina.

Congrats to Mr. Lerew tonight on the fine job he did.

I almost fell off the couch when Andruw FINALLY avoided grounding out to 3rd with RISP.

By TennesseePaul

May 8, 2007 10:45 PM | Link to this

Sweet! GO BRAVES

I love coming back to a win. I love coming back to a win and scanning the blog to get some good in-game banter. “It’s like you’re there even when you’re not”

Lerew just pitched himself into the 5th spot. Hell, with that start, he just earned the 3rd spot. 3 hits tonight. 3 stinking hits by the pitchers. This is good stuff. This is what we need. Our offense is going into a slump, and the pitchers are showing up to pitch. This didn’t happen last season.

N8: While your rotation name is accurate and descriptive, it fails the test. It has no flare or rhyme. I know you got a poet in you. We’re looking for something that works in the bumper sticker market or the lamenated sign market. Like the old Neon-Deon signs, or Pistol Pete Smith, Smokin’ Smoltz and so forth.

By Steve McP

May 8, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this

Braves are on TV in NC too, not sure what is going to happen next year, looks like I will have to get the pay for view package, but will we still get “home” commentators? They are fun and we get to know them, even if they do grate sometimes they are all instructed to rrot for the Braves, which is good for the Braves fans watching

By BabyGoatEater

May 8, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this

Smoltz and Huddy, one normal guy and cruddy.

how’s that?

maybe lerew can make it: Smotlz and Huddy, two youngin’s and A CRAPPY OLD LEFT-HANDED NOODLEARM.

how’s that?

kinda joking. Hope Lerew is the real deal.

By The Grinch

May 8, 2007 11:05 PM | Link to this

How about “John and Tim, then the pickins’ are slim?”

For the Shakespearean crowd: “Tim and John, and we’ll see you anon.”

By Bravesfanin MetsLand

May 8, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

I had to post as an every day reader and not so often poster, but I have to say I think I just had some of the best 5 hours of my life ( The first 5 hours my son came into teh world wouyld beat it out, I’m not heartless) Watching the Braves come back to win was just amazing, and seeing Andruw hitting the other way, was great. I’m sure this was mentioned by everyone else so I share in your joy.
DOB I’m sure you were still at the park, but the last hour of those 5 was just spent watching The Shield. If you didn’t see it yet, do it quickly. may have been the most intense hour of television ever witnessed.

Can’t wait to watch Maddux Smoltz tomorrow night. Hopefully i can sleep before hand. Night all!!

By meansonny

May 8, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this

Inspired by Savannah Guy and the man in black. (sorry, its what I got left in me at 11:00 PM).

**Glavine left home when I was three And he didn’t leave much to Cox and me Just this old Smoltz and a bullpen coach named Bobby Dews. Now, I don’t blame him cause he run and hid But the meanest thing that he ever did Was before he left, he went and named me Lerew.

Well, he must o’ thought that is quite a joke And it got a lot of laughs from a’ lots of folk, It seems I had to fight my whole life through. Third base would giggle and I’d get red And some hitter’d laugh and I’d bust one to his head, I tell ya, life ain’t easy for a boy named Lerew

Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean, My sinker dropped hard and my wits got keen, I’d roam from town to town to try my trade. But I made a vow to the moon and stars That I’d make my way to them Flushing Parks And kill that man who gave me that awful name.

Well, it was New York City in the end of May And I just hit town on a hot sunny day., I thought I’d start and pitch a few. At an old shoddy park, on a mound of mud, Glavine’s out there, dealing stud, He’s the dirty, mangy dog that named me Lerew.

Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes And he went down, but to my surprise, He come up with a circle change right into my ear. But I busted a chair right across his teeth And we crashed through the wall and into the street Kicking and a’ gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer**

(sorry, I really like that part).

Anywho. Only gave up 2. Great game Lerew!

By Ron

May 8, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

I know this aint about Baseball, but has any of yall ever seen the show The Whitest Kids U’Know on the channel FUSE. That show is freakin hillarious, watchin it now!!!

By Bravestime

May 8, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

Just in:

Braves trade Andruw Jones, Jared Saltalamachia to the RedSox for Coco Crisp, Jason Gabbard, Clay Buchholtz and Cash.

Good trade both ways I think.

Go Braves!

By David O'Brien

May 8, 2007 11:15 PM | Link to this

Good stuff, Grinch. Especially the Bard-themed slogan.

I just went with a simple, Smoltz and Hudson and pray for something in my game story. Hopefully it makes it through the desk.

Wow, did Lerew look like different guy than what I’ve seen in past relief appearances. He really is a different pitcher since working with McDowell on that sinker. Before, he threw harder but straight _ 95 mph, straight as a rope, and it got turned into frozen ropes too often, if he wasn’t walking guys.

That sinker could be his meal ticket in the majors.

Redman probably shouldn’t be in any rush with that toe, huh? let nature takes its course, right, no need to rush the healing process…

By Gil In Mechanicsville

May 8, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

I have been paying to watch Braves games for a couple of years now. Last year was the worst when TBS was blacked out when the Braves played the Nationals in D.C. even though the nationals had no TV contract due to a dispute with the Orioles.

I still do not like going to RFK at night and would rather go to Richmond Braves games.

By N8

May 8, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

Does everybody out there realize how much good luck I personally bring to the Braves?

I just did some digging through the old blogs and the standings. It seems as though the Braves are 20-12 in games in which I complain about something on the blog, during the games.

THAT is insane!

By TheSouthernJackAss

May 8, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

During the recent absence of TheSouthernJackAss, the blog has suffered from a blatantly noticable lack of pithiness, much black and white, not much color, anon TheJackAss shall return!…

By David O'Brien

May 8, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

N8, that’s actually quite funny. You just made me laugh as I pack the laptop away here in the pressbox….

Bravestime, you wrote: “Braves trade Andruw Jones, Jared Saltalamachia to the RedSox for Coco Crisp, Jason Gabbard, Clay Buchholtz and Cash.”

Not unless that’s Rosanne Cash.

By The Grinch

May 8, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

N8, if you really went back and did that research…let’s just say that’s not the sort of thing you want to brag about. We’ll have to pass the hat and get you some legos, or something.

That was funny, meansonny…oh, no. Now I’m going to be thinking in rhymes all night; that just ain’t right. Aauugh!

Thanks for the props, DOB; just for that, I’ll try not to argue with you for a couple of days. :-)

G’night all.

By brewdawg

May 8, 2007 11:42 PM | Link to this

Ron,

Look, it’s unlikely, but I’d hate to see someone get slammed in the face- even a Met!- because of questionable lighting at twilight time.

By David O'Brien

May 8, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this

Off to watch The Shield, best show on TV.

By TennesseePaul

May 8, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this

N8: That cracked me up =). How long did that take?

By N8

May 8, 2007 11:59 PM | Link to this

DOB

I’m glad you enjoyed it.

Grinch

It was sarcasm at it’s finest. You see, the Braves ARE 20-12, ironically (or coincidentally - which one DOB?), I’ve more than likely managed to complain about SOMETHING in every game.

That’s twice in the last 3 games that the “journey” from inning 1 through inning 7 hasn’t been so pretty for the Bravos, but the end result has.

Just poking fun at myself for being quick to jump the gun when BWW(OL) (or blogging while watching (or listening).

L8R

By Drummerdad

May 9, 2007 12:04 AM | Link to this

A word on behalf of Adam LaRoche: Glavine didn’t fair very well during his first year in NY. It had all the people who thought that Leo was the secret to the Braves’ success wagging their heads. But Tom settled in and has steadily rebuilt his game. LaRoche is young. When given the chance he proved he could hit left handers nicely, keep his head in the game and field. I think he’ll adjust and do well up there.

On Salty: I hate to say it, but I think he’s trade bait for a starting pitcher. Seems like it’s a tough year to trade for a pitcher because they’re dropping like flies and almost everybody needs at least one. So a hot commodity like Salty would be a comforting thing to a team giving up a pitcher.

Bully for Chipper taking on that umpire crew Monday night. I wish he’d take on ESPN next. I watched them recap the Braves win over the Dodgers Sunday night only to make it sound like they were the bad guys and that win shouldn’t really have happened. Then there is their junior high school girl euphoria over the Yankees and Red Sox. It’s even worse when they play each other. And, oh yes, major league baseball was also played at other places in the nation today. gag me.

By DirtyDawg

May 9, 2007 12:55 AM | Link to this

You’re right drummerdad, ESPN won’t give Atlanta credit for nothin’. They’ll win a game and the only hightlights they show is the other team’s. Just hope we’ll be able to be rubbin’ their noses in it at the end of the year…and speaking of noses, I think it’s great that Chipper recognizes that that a Greg Maddux booger is probably worth more than a Chipper Jones first hit ball…damn I miss him. Never forget a Maddux-pitched game my wife and I attended some years back. Hardly had time to finish a couple of beers and it was over…seemed like it was no more than an hour, if that.

By Gil in Mechanicsville

May 9, 2007 1:33 AM | Link to this

For all you Blain Boyer watchers out there…. He pitched two innings of relief tonight for Richmond. He did not give up any runs….

By MS

May 9, 2007 1:38 AM | Link to this

meansonny,

Loved the “Boy Named Lerew” rhyme. Good stuff.

By Bob, journalist

May 9, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

Roper, sorry to have overlooked your post … point well make and well taken.

Perhaps I did mispeak but, my problem with the broadness of such classifications comes not from their size … but rather that they’re used to nominally identify groups that are but subsets of the classification being so used.

My ancestors primarily came from British Isles and Germany … indeed, I’m proud of all of those influences, … just as I am of those that came from Denmark, New Zealand, Italy, Greece, Egypt and the plains of North America. If that makes me an “European-Asian-NorthAmerican-African American”, then so be it … but “American” still suits me just fine!

I fear that lost in all the rhetoric is that I really understood and appreciated Intothemystic’s “pejorative” comment … but think that whether it is or isn’t so considered, really depends on how it’s being used … and who’s a doin’ the usin’.

“Race” is another word in our language that has been horribly abused … and the differences between the races are numerous and much more complex than a simple difference in skin pigment.

Why this is so is for others to ponder but “whether a man is honorable and worth his salt” … that ain’t got nothing to do with race, I can tell you that!

By Scott

May 9, 2007 2:45 AM | Link to this

Lerew pitched a great game tonight and what a come back from the Braves. With Smoltz and Hudson going the next two the Braves have a good shot at taking the series.

By Mike

May 9, 2007 2:46 AM | Link to this

Sorry Dob, 24 is the best show on tv. And Im not really worried about the bats in the last few games because the Padres and Dodgers are probably the best two pitching staffs in the league from top to bottom. Plus the Braves were due to cool off a bit. They have too many good, professional hitters for this drought to continue much longer, just my opinion. Im more concerned about the 3 through 5 spots in the rotation. I was glad to see Davies have a very strong game against the Dodgers and also glad to see Lerew come through but do you think that either one of them can put up games like that on a regular basis? If not, how long do you think it will be before the braves explore the trade market for a a starting pitcher?

By Bob, journalist

May 9, 2007 3:08 AM | Link to this

Who’s anon? Honorable, I know that fair Ophelia was anun, but who’s anon? …

I wondered where you went … as I didn’t receive a response to my reply to your request … some well intending blogger, at the moment I can’t remember who it was, suggested that you were baiting me.

I assured him that you wouldn’t do that as it just wouldn’t be seemly.

Take care …

By serbok

May 9, 2007 3:38 AM | Link to this

11!!!!! DAYS!!!!!!!

By fastasballs

May 9, 2007 3:46 AM | Link to this

Lerew was impressive. Another solid power arm in the rotation would be a welcome site. Maybe another piece of the puzzle was put into place tonight?

I can’t wait for JS to option Redman back to the basement. Think he would clear waivers or would he be picked up by one of the local yard dart clubs? I heard a few are looking for a soft tosser.

Things are looking up. Smoltz & Hudson going in the final two games this series & then a nice 7 games verse the Pirates & Nats. Maybe they can fit a nice 4-5 game win streak in there. Would be nice to get a little separation from the Muts. It would put a lot of pressure on them in the series later this month. I know it’s early but never too early to bury a foot in their pinstriped tails.

The bats will heat up next week for sure. I just hope it is our bats & not the ones of the former Braves.

The Shield was good, next week’s episode should be even better. I like to watch The Riches as well, that show kind of grows on you.

By TheSouthernJackAss

May 9, 2007 6:32 AM | Link to this

During my brief vacation, fraught with reflection and deep rumination, consideration and contemplation, TheJackAss did make an acute observation, a very ugly detestation, an abomination, abhorrence and loathing execration, for conveying ideas cluttered with profanity and vulgar exclamation, so upon my own self-condemnation, a suggestion, and thus a timely transformation, an alteration, with a bit of modification…hence forward, I will proffer a more worthy verbiage and acceptable translation…

By joebrave

May 9, 2007 7:26 AM | Link to this

The jury is still out on Druw: I wouldn’t count on him doing anything more than corkscrewing himself into another o-fer tonight with Doggie on the mound.

By braves baby

May 9, 2007 7:46 AM | Link to this

Jessie Jackson has no reason to think he can change baseball. He needs to keep his nose from where it does not belong. Andruw, Renteria, Harris, Soriano are all black. Maybe not american blacks but still black. Also in my personal opinion, Jessie Jackson is a loser who causes trouble everywhere he goes.

By motivation

May 9, 2007 7:47 AM | Link to this

Maybe you should do a weekly story on moving Andruw out of clean-up

By jason

May 9, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

I agree. Jesse Jackson is a joke. I think we should get more white people in the NBA. Maybe more Japanese in the NFL. How bout more Hispanics in Hockey. Jeeez, just let the MLB do what its doing already and but out!!!

By chris from md

May 9, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

DOB,

With Carlye cut and if LeRew has a second solid start, it would look like Redman would be our left-handed specialist, no? That might not be a bad role or investment. Whadayathink?

Chris from MD

By Frits

May 9, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Although Andruw did come through last night I still have the feeling it’s the worst thing that could have happened. Yes he got two hits which is incredible bordering unbelievable if you take into account the way he sets up. With his stance and swing any hit is a little wonder. Bad thing about his luck last night is that he is now probably convinced that he was doing it right and that he does not have to change a thing. We all know what will happen next. He however will still act surprised and blame it on balance and timing.

By JasonInMaine

May 9, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

I think people are downplaying how good Lerew’s start was. I have been reading through the blog and people were saying that he “did ok” and “gave us a chance to win”. The guy pitched 6 innings let up 2 hits, runs, and walks with 7 Ks. With how bad Chuck as been as the 3 combined with how absolutely atrocious Davies and Redman have been, I would say we should be doing cartwheels! It is only one start, but shoot; it was certainly a good one. Maybe Cormier can come back and pitch somewhere near like he did in spring training. I don’t see how Lerew doesn’t get another shot Sunday!

Regards,

Jason

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Don’t look now but Andruw Jones has driven in more runs with RISP than Chipper. Is it time to move Chipper down in the order?

By Lee

May 9, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Frits - Hopefully this will snap Andruw out of the slump for a couple of weeks. The 2nd hit when he drove the ball to right center was encouraging. It showed at least he is trying to get away from pulling the ball so much.

I am sure watching him through the years, you know he is mostly a streak hitter. Once again maybe this will get him going. We needed a game like that from AJ.

By 22oz

May 9, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Its nice to see that even though Andruw got the game winning RBI last night by going to right field that he still sounds reluctant to do it in his post game interview. “I”m a pull hitter, not a right field hitter. Thats the way it is.” Don’t get your hopes up folks, sounds like we’ll be back at ground zero very soon.

By Frits

May 9, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

Lee, his comments after the game proof that he will not be trying that. He just stated he is a pull hitter and that’s it. In his mind the hit to right was a mistake. Like I said before, every hit at this moment is a little wonder and is bordering some physical impossibility. Yes he is streaky but above all he is hardheaded. Unless someone gets thru to him I am afraid this streak will never end

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

Don’t look now. Andruw has 16 more at bats with RISP.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Willy Wally,

According to espn.com, Chipper and AJ have 38 AB’s with RISP. Unfortunately they don’t list PA’s but judging by walks, it looks like AJ does have a few more PA’s.

Also, it looks like AJ’s AVG and SLG with RISP went up a lot in just one game. According to them, he’s at .237 AVG/ .446 OBP/ .526 SLG. That’s if you trust STATS LLC and espn.com.

(But we probably shouldn’t pay attention to ESPN, with their biases against points of views of Braves fans.)

By Jersey Gil

May 9, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

i Also a Big Bravos FAN…so Big that i don’t miss a games…I also live outside ATLANTA(South Jersey) but i hook with the OnDEMAND Sport Pkg and also i have XM Radio… Again ESPN has a vendetta with the Braves fan…tonight they have on Schedule …….BOSTON games or YANKEE…in this area..don’t have SMOTLZ/MADDUX…what a shame for ESPN. GO BRAVES>>>GO BRAVES

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Jersey Gil,

How dare ESPN have Yankee games instead of Braves games on in New Jersey of all places!

By PiC

May 9, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Do you think we could convince Rev. Jesse that the game-tying triple was hit by Edgar “Tyrone” Renteria from Waycross, GA? That sure would help with our quota.

If he didn’t watch the game, perhaps we could let him know that Anthony ‘Tone’ Lerew was the young stud called up from Richmond.

By Jersey Gil

May 9, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

hey GIL mechanicville…..i live in So Jersey and i have all 9 visit the Braves come to Philadelphia…DId you come to see the braves at Phillis? Yes i also was upset when the Braves come to DC and they block the game here in Jersey…happen last year…also they block the Ondemand games…I don’t know what will happen next year when TBS going to reduce the braves games…because TBS the Braves have a good Outside Atlanta Fans all over the World.This week i enjoy the games in Sportsouth ondemand, i like there broscast better than TbS…they look more Professional.

By Victor

May 9, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Hey ME, I live in Panamá and I am seeing Braves games trough MLB.TV.

Hey DOB, what about 24???

By DCBrave

May 9, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

You know, the whole Rainbow/PUSH deal is silly. MLB does a lot of work in inner-city, low-income, and minority communities in terms of community development and mentoring programs. The fact is that young blacks tend to gravitate towards basketball in the bigger cities and towards football in more rural areas. Baseball is clearly the national sport in the Caribbean, Japan, and Venezuela, so that’s where you go for talent. You don’t go down to Cairo, GA trying to find another Willie Harris simply so your team demographics look better.

Rainbow/PUSH says Schuerholz is just about the bottom line. Damn right he is. He works for Time Warner/Liberty Media and they are looking at the bottomg line and the success of the team on the field.

What’s really crazy about this is that Rainbow/PUSH shouldn’t care about how many black players the Braves have. They should care about why a significantly greater number of black children believe that sports is the only way to get out of poverty…why succeeding in school is ridiculed. They need to be focused on actual community development, not media grandstanding like this.

By meansonny

May 9, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

fastasballs,

funny post about optioning Redman to the basement.

I’m not sure if I’m ready to waive him this early in May. Injuries are always the biggest unknown, and I’d hate losing 2 arms (1 to waivers, and 1 to injury).

That said, if someone DOES claim him off waivers, then I assume they prorate the rest of his contract? I know he’s a BARGAIN, but we could use every dime available on better production.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Here’s what those top 50 rankings from Baseball Prospectus say about Andruw Jones:

No. 44. Andruw Jones, CF, Braves, Age 30

He’s at the age where he’s going to need to start making adjustments — and so far, so good. Andruw no longer has the wheels that he once did in center field, but he makes up for it by getting tremendous reads as the ball leaves the bat. His bulk prevents him from legging out as many base hits, but he makes up for it by swinging for the fences more often. He may have lost a tick of bat speed, but he makes up for it by working the count more carefully; he has seen 4.13 pitches per plate appearance thus far this season, far above his 3.73 P/PA career norm. It’s exactly these sorts of adjustments that should lock him in as a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

The discussion about Jones the past couple of days just goes to show that he’s been under appreciated by a lot of Atlanta fans because he’s not a perfect player but merely a Hall of Famer.

By Bob, journalist

May 9, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Fritz 8:13 … not much more to say than nice post!

Andruw hasn’t been in a slump … it’s his approach to hitting … it’s pathetic. It’s true that he can make adjustments and improve his timing and have some measure of success … and, in so doing, convince himself that he’s found the magic … how sad.

Not nearly as sad as folks buying into such delusional nonsense. A crusty old man told me a long time ago that “doing things right, no matter how hard you work at it … isn’t going to get the job done if you’re doing the wrong things. In fact, the harder you work at it, the worse it will get!” … methinks Andruw is a classic example … he works hard.

Andruw’s interview “He just left a ball up. I was looking for a slider and hit it that way. I’m not a right-field hitter. I’m a pull hitter. That’s what it is”

That from someone who had gone 0:21 after getting off to a slow start?!

I just wish is was a hitter, rightfield, pull or otherwise … well, he was once … what happened?

I’ve changed my mind … while I’d still have him ninth in the order, I’d insist that he widen his stance, pull every pitch … more than he is currently doing … and swing harder!

If there is to be any hope for Andruw’s awakening it will most likely result from his hearing jeers not cheers! Like he said “That’s what it is”

But it won’t happen … not from fans who cheer with each fly ball! Fly balls are outs waiting to happen and, if you make solid contact but hit the directly at somebody … you’ve been bested! That ain’t the object of the game.

Well, like I said … not much to say … Fritz said it all!

Tonight should be a fun game to watch!

By JD

May 9, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

In Maddux’ first season in Atlanta, maybe even his first game at home, he gave up a solo home run. The camera zoomed in on Maddux as the hitter started up the first base line in his trot; suddenly Maddux whirled around and screamed F—- YOU at the miscreant.

I knew then he was a competitor of the highest degree.

By Arkansas Hillbilly

May 9, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Starting to read this guy’s name in the minor league report pretty often. Didn’t do much last year, but it looks like he’s heating up in May. Not sure if he’ll ever have a chance to make a name for himself but here goes.

Maybe the link will work:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Matt%2520Esquivel&pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=452169

By AL

May 9, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Too many posts to read through to see if someone responded to him, by Matthew at the SLC, the Sports Illustrated article ranking McCann second in value was an article about his FANTASY value. Meaning, as a catcher, with his consistency, his value as a fantasy baseball player is higher than, say, Andruw who is more one dimensional (power) at a position with deeper players. I love McCann as much as the next guy, but there’s no way in h*ll that he’s better than A-Rod.

By Kentavo

May 9, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Hey you should try living where I do - Myrtle Beaach - which has a Braves affiliate. Everytime I go into a bar here I have to get them to turn it to the Braves game and you can’t get Sports South without satellite. I rely on XM. But it’s so infuriating to go to sports bars here and have it packed with Yankees and Red Sox fans. You go an hour and a half south of here to Charleston, and it’s a different story - it’s Braves country.

By JasonInMaine

May 9, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly,

I mentioned Esquivel’s name the other day as I noticed the same thing. It seems every other day when I check the box score he hits a home run, including last night. I think he is up to 9 now and has raised his average like 40 points in the last few weeks.

Regards,

Jason

By Savannah Guy

May 9, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Trade Andruw for an Ace DOB, one night and two hits don’t support the headline of Andruw breaking out of his slump. With AJ’s flailing swings and contorted stance, his “breakout” is not sustainable.

Additionally, he only plays for his own “numbers” and is not a team player. Nor does he seem to take instructions or suggestions from Pendelton. To quote Andruw in your article: I’m not a right-field-ball hitter,” Jones said. “I’m a pull hitter. That’s the way it is.” And then later in the interview, he said, “A slump’s a slump. It’s a long season. I think I had an 0-for-40 once. I’m not worried. At the end of the year, I’m going be where I want to be.”

Does that sound like a team guy? At the end of the year, if he continues to play with the selfish and lax attitude about each game, he’ll be right where he wants to be…in THIRD PLACE IN THE DIVISION with other teams negotiating for his “stats” for ‘08.

Wonder if AJ would agree to being traded? After all, it’s “just busness”, right? I wish he would put himself up for that option.

I know, trade rules, clauses and contracts notwithstanding, if both the Braves and Andruw agree then it would be a great deal. Let’s go get Glavine, Maddux or another seasoned starter for AJ. Think it’s crazy? Maybe, but in my humble opinion, as soon as AJ spends another few (very few) years chasing balls in center, he’s going to dramatically drop in proficiency due to injury or weight-caused problems. He’s worth more at this point in time than he ever will be again. So, here’s wishing JS and AJ would let the talks begin and let’s get another ace in the mix. We could go all the way with that.

There are several options for a center field replacement that would perhaps not be as spectacular in the field but they would be good…and thier bat would be more consistent and no doubt more team oriented when it comes to moving runners along. Our other Jones can handle cleanup just fine.

Now, before you call me an Andruw hater…I’m not. He seems like a good, albeit slow on the uptake, kinda guy. He just won’t change. Slumps are slumps, but AJ has not been in a slump, he’s simply displaying a behavior…year after year. He’s only doing what he has always done…

Moral to the story: If you can’t change the player, change the player.

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 9, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

BabyGoatEater (wow, what a name):

Thanks for the suggestion, but as I am a new father, I don’t think the budget can find that extra $$ each month. I do subscribe to the MLB Radio package though, and it is good to be able to hear Pete and Skip.

meansonny that “Boy Named Lerew” song should go with Wayne in Utah’s poem the other day as the two best posts on the blog in recent weeks. Outstanding!

Oh, BTW, I too live outside GA (I’m in northeast Ark). But I AM BLESSED BEYOND MEASURE because for some inexplicable reason, the Yankees game is blacked out in my area. Yay!!!

I’ll watch the Hall of Fame battle tonight on the radio.

By Interested Observer

May 9, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

DOB: I have two questions for you.

1. Do you know why the Braves cut Colyer instead of sending back Barry? I didn’t think Colyer did all that badly. Barry didn’t show me anything last year and his stats at Richmond this year weren’t very impressive.

2. I will be in Pittsburgh for the Saturday and Sunday games. Can I be your intern for those games? I can handle the interviews with Smoltz and Chipper.

By Lee

May 9, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Savannah Guy -

Good post about Andruw I agree completely. Looks like his contract year is coming at about the right time. Braves’ offer to resign him will more than likely be an insult according to Boras and Andruw will move on. I am sure Andruw realizes this now and his attitude is growing like his new bank account will be. Teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels and possibly even the Mets will be in the running to overpay for his services. He has been a great player for the Braves but it is time for a new generation of stars for the team….McCann, Frenchy and the list will continue. Lets just hope he helps lift the Braves to a championship this year.

By N8

May 9, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Shaun

Andruw is “on pace” for about 25 HR and 111 RBI.

Not a bad season, per say. But for a guy coming off of back to back seasons of 41 & 51 HR along with 128 & 129 RBI, not to mention quite possibly commanding around 16-20 million per season after this one, I don’t think he’s worth the money that SOMEBODY is going to spend on him.

Is he a HOF’r? More than likely. Do I appreciate that? Absolutely. Has he been a big part of our success the last decade? Without a doubt. Should we spend that kind of money on him this offseason? Not on YOUR life.

Him going in the HOF someday, doesn’t do us one damn bit of good 3 years into the next contract if he goes downhill fast. What’s JS gonna do, put out a marketing blitz saying:

“Come one, come all to the TED this weekend and every weekend to see the ineffective (but FUTURE HOF’r) Andruw Jones. Stick around after the game, where the Friday night fireworks display will be replaced with highlights of Andruw when he was good.”

My “anger” (for lack of a better word), is not directed at Andruw’s production. He is what he is. Which is a hitter that HACKS non-stop and will occasionally go through stretches where he’s patient enough to be productive with that approach. But my frustration is that Bobby refuses to drop a guy who is slumping miserably and looks silly lost at the plate, down in the order. Then to top that off, he’s gonna try and get a king’s ransom in the off season.

Plain and simple. If THIS is the kind of production we can expect from him over the next 4-5 years (25-30 HR, 100-115 RBI and a .240-.260 BA), then we can spend our money elsewhere, IMO.

We may not replace his glove in CF, but with that money we can replace him with 1, 2 or maybe even 3 other players that can help us WIN GAMES.

Now THAT would be money well spent.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

AL,

That SI article is not about fantasy rankings.

It mentions the words “fantasy” but it’s an article about the most valuable players taking into account their overall skills.

Basically it’s the 50 pro players they would draft if they were starting a team from scratch in the major leagues (with major league contract and service time rules) with money not being an object.

Service time matters so four or five years down the road matters, which explains McCann and ARod’s rankings.

Here’s how they explain it:

Would I take the rest of A-Rod’s 2007 or the rest of Grady Sizemore’s 2007? Probably A-Rod, but it’s close. Would I take A-Rod’s age-34 season in 2010, or Sizemore’s age-27 season in 2010? The answer is Sizemore, and I don’t think it’s remotely close. A-Rod might be the best player in baseball right now, but if we’re looking at a six-year time horizon there are at least a half-dozen guys ahead of him.

And here’s what they say about McCann:

No. 9. Brian McCann, C, Braves, Age 23

This is one special kid. PECOTA thinks that McCann is going to be a consistent .300 BA, 25 HR guy year after year. Since 1950 there are just eight catchers who have had more than one season in which they posted a .300-plus batting average and 25-plus home runs. Seven of those guys — Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella, Gary Carter, Carlton Fisk, Ivan Rodriguez and Mike Piazza — are inner-circle Hall of Famers. The other is Joe Torre, who should get his plaque in Cooperstown soon enough. As an added plus, McCann is a quiet, humble kid on a team full of big egos; even his recent finger injury came when he was trying to lay down a bunt.

By N8

May 9, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

JD

“The camera zoomed in on Maddux as the hitter started up the first base line in his trot; suddenly Maddux whirled around and screamed F—- YOU at the miscreant.”

“I knew then he was a competitor of the highest degree.”

I often, while blogging, will look at my webcam, and scream F—- YOU, directing it at whom I’m posting to. Does that make ME a competitor of the highest degree?

(PS: I don’t actually own a webcam - but the story wouldn’t have been as good without that angle.)

By time for the truth

May 9, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Is Loogie a brand name? Is that why it’s capitalized?

Also, if you pick your nose, that’s a booger, even if it’s got a glob of clear, wet mucous attached to it. A loogie is the substance that is sucked out of the nasal cavity, mixed with saliva and sometimes phlegm from the lungs and spit out of the mouth.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

N8,

I think you misunderstood. I’m just answering to those folks complaining about AJ’s production.

I actually agree that the Braves should let him walk.

By N8

May 9, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Shaun

I wasn’t directing that at you (god knows I’ve done enough of that), I know you were just relaying information from the si.com article.

No offense, meant. I just used your name, so people knew “what” I was responding to.

Like I’ve said in the past. I don’t hate Andruw, in fact I rather enjoy watching him play defense. If Ted still owned the team (or somebody willing to go all “Steinbrenner” with the payroll), I’d say keep him and let him finish his career here.

But that isn’t gonna happen by the time this season ends and he needs a knew contract. As long as our payroll stays in the 80-100 million dollar range, we absolutely cannont (and should not) afford him.

It sucks, for those of us who like watching guys play their entire HOF career in one city (not just Braves players - but ALL players in general).

But that’s baseball in the new millenium, I guess.

By Rodger

May 9, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Good game last night. Think Andruw was reading the blog?

“24” is a great show, but to quote a vent last week-its not realistic, all the presidents know Jack!

By Lew

May 9, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Nathan-I don’t really disagree with you about not re-signing Andruw, but I’m going to caution you, like I did with KC. Don’t count on having all sorts of money left over from Andruw’s salary. Next season, Hudon’s salary goes up $7million, that only leaves $6.5 mil from Andruw’s current salary. When youffigure in arbitration for Gonzalez and Soriano, raises for Smoltz, McCann and Francoeur-well, there just isn’t going to be a whole lot left. Up to this point, the deal with Liberty Media is not carved in stone. It still may not happen, so you can’t count on any kind of boost in the salary structure. I agree we can’t really afford to resign him, but I wouldn’t go counting on getting all sorts of other players with our savings. Filling in positions on the 08 ballclub may very well consist of calling up some minor league talent.

By DAP

May 9, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

meansonny, very noce job on “a boy named lerew” that was real good.

when andruw hit that single to right center, i had visions of 2005 when he hit 51 HR. his swing looked alot more like that back then. just used his hands and moved his body very little.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

N8,

I actually agree. I think letting Andruw walk is a wise move.

And I actually think Andruw will still be a very productive player for at least a few more seasons but that doesn’t mean he’s going to be worth his asking price. I think that’s all Nate Silver (the guy that wrote the article) was saying. He probably agrees that AJ isn’t going to be worth the money he will ask for.

By Kentavo

May 9, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Andruw undoubtably contributed to Braves winning division chamnpionships, but do you realize his tenure as a starter directly coincides with the Braves’ string of post-season failures.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

N8,

Also, something else to consider: What a player is worth may be different to different teams. Andruw is likely to be very productive to somewhat productive over the next five or six years. If Johnny Damon declines at the rate I expect him too, and I’m running the Yankees, I consider signing Andruw Jones because I have the resources to do it.

In other words, the Yankees signing AJ wouldn’t be as dumb as the Braves signing AJ. Actually I think the Yankees signing AJ after the season would be a wiser move than them signing Damon to a long-term deal last season.

By MEB

May 9, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

THE METS SHAVED THEIR HEADS!!! Look out Braves fans the Mets have decided to do some team bonding and have shaved their heads. Well most of them anyway.

[Dome, sweet dome: Mets shave heads to bond as team] (http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/182264)

Metroman and other Mets lurkers we want to see y’all support your team… so break out them razors.

By BossLady

May 9, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Jesse Jackson will go away as soon as he finds a way to extract money from some fund that he can pocket for himself.

By Drummerdad

May 9, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Maddux may have gone digging for “nasal gold” to apply to Chipper’s trophy, but Frank Zappa would have called it a “numie”, (noo-mee). “A marvel to be seen, a dysentery green”. Mothers of Invention classic. Who could imagine that they would freak out? Just thought you guys would want to know.

On tonight’s game, I like our chances. Funny how other teams reload with players that have honed their craft with the Braves. I predict that Diaz will begin to come around soon.

By David O'Brien

May 9, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

MEB, seems like half the Braves already have shaved heads, or very close to shaved: Hudson, Andruw, Chuck J., Woodward, Colyer (gone now, but shaved), Pena, Harris, Paronto, Wickman, Smoltz (take the hat off, see what I mean)…. I might be leaving someone out.

AS FOR SMOLTZ’S “SURPRISE” TONIGHT _ Don’t want to spoil it, but don’t be shocked if Smoltz has a wig on at some point to surprise Maddux.

By David O'Brien

May 9, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Rodger, “24” is very good, great in the past, but never as good as The Shield, in my opinion. And Rescue Me, The Sopranos and The Wire are also better dramas, in my opinion.

By David O'Brien

May 9, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Time for the Truth: Where I’m from, a loogie was always what you described, extracted from the sinus cavity and/or throat and spit out. But Chipper called a booger a loogie, and when I asked others they said they also had referred to it as such growing up.

Then I googled it and, indeed, found that a lot of people consider it either/or.

Anyway, he was talking about something you pick from your nose, not spit.

By JasonInMaine

May 9, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Lew,

Good morning. I wonder if the Braves do the same thing with other contracts as they did with Hampton’s…even it for the life of the contract so it accounts for the same on the books each year. DOB, any insight?

Regards,

Jason

By NO CHOP ZONE

May 9, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

LEW…..not enough money to sign a player? Maybe the guy who thought of financing your season tickets could come up with a garage sale or car wash plan to sign some players. In fact if you could sell bull-sh-i-t by the pound you’d have plenty of it right here on this blog. It would solve all your money woes.

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 9, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Some statistical musings (no I’m not going to Shaun all over you, but if I do, I’ll clean up before I leave).

Our #1 and #2 hitters (KJ and Renteria) are doing well in several areas. Let me demonstrate:

1. Kelly Johnson- 33 hits, .292 AVG, .433 OBP (#6 in the NL), number of pitches seen-603 (6th in the NL); BB-28 (#6 in the NL)

2. Edgar Renteria- .338 AVG (#9 in the NL), .399 OBP (#15 in the NL), number of pitches seen-556 (#21 in the NL); BB-13

The point that I find interesting thus far is that our 1 and 2 hitters are seeing an average of 5 pitches per at bat (assuming they get 4 AB per game each). They are at least giving the 3-9 hitters a chance to see what the opposing pitcher has. This is especially helpful when seeing a pitcher for the first time, or when facing one with a weird delivery (a la El Duque or Feliciano). Incidentally, Andruw is #9 on that list in the NL with 581.

Also interesting to me is that there are three Braves in the NL Top Ten in walks: Kelly Johnson (#6, 28 BB), Andruw Jones (#7, 24 BB), and Chipper Jones (#8, 23 BB). Franceour, for those who are interested, has 11 (he only had 23 all of last year!).

So, here is stuff for you to read as you try to go to sleep, but I worked hard to find it, so be nice.

Go Braves!

By Efrim

May 9, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

DOB,

Gonzo has been great. Was Ian Snell ever discussed in the Laroche deal? Probably not, I’m just wondering if the Braves ever inquired about him.

By Kieran from Long Island

May 9, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

DOB you’re the second person this week to call the Shield the best show on TV maybe I gotta check it out…

By Arkansas Hillbilly

May 9, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Mucous Journalism at it’s finest right here, folks.

By N8

May 9, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Lew

My computer “wigged” out on me in the middle of another epic post. Not sure if it posted, or backed out of the screen on me. So if this is a double post. I appologize.

Good points on the payroll with Andruw leaving. But I wasn’t limiting the “extra money”, to just aquiring NEW players, but paying the ones that are arbitration elligble. Since this last offseason, we got rid of LaRoche and Giles. Of course we had KJ in the wings, and for LaRoche we got Gonzalez and Lillebridge.

Some possible moves to maneuver the payroll to add more pitching or bench depth, could be trading Renteria and Wickman. We allegedly have a glut of SS prospects on the way, and if Gonzo and Soriano keep up what they’re doing, along with another pitcher taking over that 2nd setup roll, we really wouldn’t need Wickman after this year, would we? Not to mention after next year, Hampton will be gone.

Many moves could (and will) be made, turning a good portion of the roster over again. I’m sure of that. More than likely NOT re-signing Andruw will be the big one.

Shaun

VERY GOOD points about the relative “value” of signing Andruw. You are absolutely correct. The “big 5” (Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers, and less likely - but possibly - the Cubs), could easily budget in money for Andruw, if they desired. Look at those “Sally Arms” the Dodgers displayed in the OF last weekend, they most definitely could “use” Andruw.

Again, if I did hit “post” before and this is a repeat, I appologize.

By Lew

May 9, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Jason-I’m not sure what effect contract averaging would have in this instance. Andruw is making $13.5 million this year. I haven’t seen a single account that states the situation differently. Even if Hudson’s salary (which is what I imagine your point is) would make that big a difference. Even if it ends up leaving us $1 or 2 million, it won’t get us a centerfield replacement or a top line starter for the rotation, as some have speculated. McCann’s salary next year, while still a great deal, results in a raise. You know they will try to extend Francoeur, which will add more. The way Gonzon and Soriano are pitching, their arbitration awards could almost double their salary-keep in mind that with pitching going for a premium and arbitration figures skyrocketing, it is more than a vague possibliity that they will make considerably more $$$. I’m not advocating doom and gloom here, though.I think we have plenty of pieces in the minors that can make significant contribultions. The pitching down on the farm is looking good and we do have a couple of outfielders we could use, like Brandon Jones-even Billy McCarthy or Blanco. I’m not pessimistic, but we may not have as much $$ as some think we do.

By meansonny

May 9, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Fritz (and Bob, journalist),

I have to disagree with you that Andruw’s hits last night (and attitude) are the worst thing that could happen.

Nobody’s happy with his numbers. Nobody but Andruw is happy with his stance. Everybody but Andruw is happy he went to right field.

That said. Runs are runs. Production is production. I don’t care if Andruw straps on the leotard or not. I will never say that a game winning hit is a bad thing.

I think it’s hypocritical to say, “well, he’ll hit his 30 HR and get his 100RBI” all preseason then to counter “he’s convinced he’s doing the right thing” with the implication that he’s not.

I don’t see any reason he won’t still produce his 30/100 with similar numbers in his career AVG and OPS.

GM Meansonny would still consider moving him down the order because better options appear to be available. But I definitely recognize that a come from behind win is not the worst thing that could happen.

By MD Braves Fan

May 9, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

I’ve been meaning to comment for awhile to those of you in favor of trading Andruw this year. What do you think we could get for him - don’t get your hopes up. Rental players (pending free agents) don’t bring studs in return - usually just prospects. Also, as a 5-10 player he can refuse any trade (especially to colder climates). I haven’t seen any sign and trade deals in MLB in a long time, so I don’t think that is an option. Unless we are 20 games out of playoff contention come July - we have to keep Andruw the rest of the year. A blog the day mentioned the recasting of Dale Murphy as catcher of the future to center fielder extrordanair. I think we need to convert Salty the same way. He is a better catcher than McCann - but also more athletic. Probably first base is the final solution. My next rambling is fixing the left field problem - Willie Harris is not the long term answer. I think we need to start Diaz every day or 1) Put Salty at first and Thorman in left 2) Teach Escobar to play second and put Kelly in right (Escobar is ripping it up at Richmond) Next to Last rambling - Joey Devine seems to be finally producing at Miss - I think Wickman and his $6.5M are gone next year. Final rambling - Who is this kid Winklesas at Richmond? In 11 appearances over 25 innings between Miss and Richmond - he hasn’t given up an earned run yet

By Lew

May 9, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Misplaced, misanthropic mosquitoes have returned. Droning and buzzing-mainly just being an irritation.

By N8

May 9, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Chipper definitely made a monitary mistake wiping that “little green man” (obligitory Steve Vai reference), from the ball.

My guess is that a baseball that was the ball used for a HOFr’s first basehit, with another HOFr’s DNA on it would fetch a fortune on Ebay.

After all, Ty Cobb’s wooden dentures netted a small fortune a few years back.

That ball wouldv’e definitely been any serious collector’s shrine. A fine mantle piece for any Braves fan, indeed.

By 3trees

May 9, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Just to share, we always referred to loogies the same way as DOB stated and I share Chipper’s NFL (North Florida) upbringing. Of course, I’m from the Panhandle and he’s from Jack-SUN-ville.

I’m wondering if Chuck James is suffering from a bit of the dreaded “sophmore slump” that KC predicted for the Marlins pitchers this spring. I think the league has adjusted to him and he has to reply in kind. A third pitch wouldn’t hurt either (ala Glavine).

I’m hoping that Andruw is sandbaggin’ and looking to fool the opposition with his “pull only” comments. Hint, I don’t really believe that, even though I wrote it.

Such a pleasure to have watched Maddux all those years. And, as someone mentioned, he saved our pocket books and livers by turning the game over so quickly. And his fielding! He’s a classic case of the “not so athletic looking guy” being very athletic and using it to his advantage.

Go Braves!

By meansonny

May 9, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Nate, Very well put 10:28 post.

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 9, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Nice story on the Braves mlb.com site about Andruw using a pink bat on Sunday in memory of his aunt, who died from breast cancer.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070508&contentid=1952866&vkey=newsatl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

It’s nice to see that several of the Braves will be showing support for breast cancer research. Husbands on the blog, make sure that your wives get their mammograms, and that they keep an eye out for signs of cancer. It is the best kind of Mother’s Day gift out there to show your wives and women relatives and friends that you care about them.

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 9, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the Braves and Mets have quietly put some distance between themselves and the rest of the East.

Team W L PCT GB Atlanta 20 12 .625 - NY Mets 20 12 .625 - Florida 15 17 .469 5.0 Philadelphia 14 19 .424 6.5 Washington 9 24 .273 11.5

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 9, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

The Braves are 17-2 when leading after eight innings.

Anyone miss Dan Kolb?

ducks to avoid tomatoes

By meansonny

May 9, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

OT and along the lines of speculation, I’ve had thoughts of Andruw signing with the Rangers.

I don’t know their current salary or CF situation. But I’d imagine that would be a spot in which Andruw would fit well (warm weather).

After Arod, I don’t know what their inclination towards long term, big $$$ deals is.

By David O'Brien

May 9, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Mike, don’t be “sorry” about saying 24 is best show (just got up to your post, is why I’m commenting now).

It’s not — not even close. But don’t be sorry for saying it is.

Could have at least made the argument in past seasons, but this season is merely good, not great. And it absolutely pales in comparison to The Shield, in every way _ writing, acting, drama, realness, tension, etc. Just blows away 24.

Someone asked about Redman as a lefty specialist. Perhaps against certain lefties. Even thought he’s a junkballer, not your typical lefty specialist by any means, at least you could avoid him getting torched by right-handers, the way he has been as a starter.

That is, if you really insist on keeping him.

By JasonInMaine

May 9, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Lew,

Very good points. I was just wondering if Hudson’s salary is spread out over the lifetime of the contract like Hampton’s, that his salary wouldn’t be going up $7mill for accounting purposes. It may not take as big of a chunk of the $13.5 that would be “left over” if we didn’t sign Andruw. If they spread it out, it wouldn’t be a jump at all on the books…

Regards,

Jason

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

N8,

Yes. Almost all of those teams you mentioned signed outfielders to less-than-wise contract over the past couple of years (Johnny Damon, Coco Crisp, Juan Pierre, Alfonso Soriano). And for those teams, signing Andruw to a 4, 5 or 6-year deal would be smarter than some of their signings.

By Lew

May 9, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Matthew-Why are ducks avoiding tomatoes? Has there been another produce recall? Another outbreak of pesticide related poisoned food?

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Gotta agree with the majority here. The Shield, The Wire, Sopranos far and away the best shows on television.

24 is a notch below but only because it is on network television. If it was on cable, it would probably be as good as those other shows. BUT 24 is far and away the best show on network television.

I loved the first season of Prison Break. The second season was absolutely horrible. I was so disappointed, I don’t think I will be coming back for the third season. That cliffhanger they had at the end of the last episode of season 2 looked like a gruesome place down there in Panama but it looks like it is going to turn into some weird sci-fi crap or something, so I am going to avoid it next year.

By Fred from CT

May 9, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

the wire is the best show on TV. also rescue me is awsome

By 22oz

May 9, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Where’s the love for Scrubs? THe best show on tv in my mind. Granted, i don’t watch much tv. I use the offseason to catch up on video games, and once Braves game are over i fall asleep.

By Jim

May 9, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

MD Fan,

Finding another position for Salty makes sense, at least there is a strong case for your argument. But when you start moving half the other players around to new positions, your argument loses credence. In particular, why would you even consider moving KJ to right field with his surgically repaired elbow when we have a pretty good youg rightfielder out there now with a gun for an arm?

To improve the team we will probably have to trade either Salty or Thorman and we probably need more time to decide which (if not both) to move.

Your position changes remind me of a couple of players in the ’60s who played all 9 positions in a late season game. Perhaps we can have a variation where all the players except the pitcher and catcher rotate positions every inning (like in volleyball). Then it won’t matter where Salty, Escobar, Thorman, and KJ start out.

By Steeledawg

May 9, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

I love Scrubs, love The Office, love 24, but the best show on TV came out of nowhere this year. Friday Night Lights is by far the best show on TV. Great writing, acting, and it also has great music.

By Wayne in Utah

May 9, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Just stopped for a couple of hours to catch up on some emails and work, and I find you guys talking about TV shows!

:-)

I didn’t think you “lifer” bloggers had any time for anything but the blog!!!

Lerew looked good last night. I was listening on XM. Somebody tell me the real scoop on Andruw’s hit to right. Was it a fluke or was he really going with the pitch????? Dying to know.

By flbravesgirl

May 9, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Back from the wilds of North Georgia…

Good game from Lerew. (Maybe the praying worked, DOB?) I’d certainly give him another start.

Shaun, thanks for the excerpts from the SI article. Glad to see they appreciate Mac, what with all the Salty-mania going around. (Yeah, I think he’ll be good too but 3 games in the majors is not enough to displace a 23 year-old All-Star. Some people act like they’re ready to kick Brian to the curb. Sheesh)

Really looking forward to tonight’s game. Of course after all the buildup it’ll probably be 12-10 with no-decisions for both of them.

3trees, I think Chipper only went to school in Jacksonville a couple of years. He’s from a little place called Pierson, which I would call central FL (near Deland).

By Jim

May 9, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Best TV shows (none current)

Inspector Morse on pbs Mysteries, Frazier, Mission Impossible (the show, not the movies), All in the Family, The Untouchables with Robert Stack.

By Wayne in Utah

May 9, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Jim We need Zoillo Versallies (sp)

By Drummerdad

May 9, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

DOB, It is amazing the statistics you can find. From slugging percentages to …

Really smelling like a locker room in here today. Somebody bring in the cigars.

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 9, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Nice one, Lew. That uncalled for, sarcastic, satirical remark reminds me of, well…

me. No, not THAT Me, me, you know, Walter’s Dad…never mind.

By DonCoburleone

May 9, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

“Gonzo has been great. Was Ian Snell ever discussed in the Laroche deal? Probably not, I’m just wondering if the Braves ever inquired about him.”

That is a real interesting player there. I wonder how much the Pirates like Ronny Paulino as their future catcher? I would trade Salty for Snell straight up for sure, especially if its this year and we’d have him for the stretch run…

By DonCoburleone

May 9, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

This game not even on TBS? What a travesty I swear. Couldn’t they just pick up this game anyway since it is Smoltz vs. Glavine? Does anyone know if this game will be on ESPN??

By DAP

May 9, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

the whole rainbowPUSH thing is really irritating to me. it sux that we have to consider race at all when making personel decisions. to me, this does nothing but reinforce ideas of racism. we cannot be equal until we begin to see each other as JUST PEOPLE. not black people or white people. sports teams nowadays just want the best players. nobody cares what color they are.

but jessie jackson doesnt really want racial equality. and he doesnt want racism to end. if that happens he is out of a job! hes nothing but a trouble maker, and i cant stand him.

if i was willie harris, i would be p** at jessie jackson and this whole rainbowPUSH thing. the only thing it is doing for him is making people think that he got called up because hes black, not because hes the best player or the best option. rainbowPUSH is just making willie harris look bad.

i wouldnt want to be given a job based on my race, but only because of my abilities.

By DAP

May 9, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

anybody like LOST? thats my favorite show.

By Matthew, Dad to Walter

May 9, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Jim, add MASH and The Three Stooges to your list. They are two of my favorites.

Klinger would have made a good starting pitcher. Look at all those years he spent following the Mudhens!

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Salty for Albert Pujols! That’s a fair trade right? Oh, hell, we’ll even throw in Andruw if they get persistent enough. You never know until you try. You never know if the one time you call with such an offer is the time Larussa is slumped over behind the wheel in a drunken stupor and he might tell the GM to pull the trigger on the deal.

By Atlanta Hawks #1 Fan

May 9, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

The Braves have to keep the nucleus together (Jones Boys) and bring in a quality starter and reliever. Look at the Yankees. Steinbrenner will spend whatever is necessary to produce a World Champion. I don’t see that same commitment from Braves management.

RICH GUYS TROPHY WIFE SPEED DATING

By Jersey Gil

May 9, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Hey Doncoburleone..or waht ever is you name…read some of the above blog…Just on what area of the Country you are..ESPN have ‘Yankee/Texas or Boston game tonight

By meansonny

May 9, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Is Wilson and Wickman going to be in a Braves uni next season?

I’d love a Free Agent starter in the offseason. I’d hate to anticipate Hampton coming back for so long, only to be scrambling for Redman at the last minute.

By NO CHOP ZONE

May 9, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Bathing should help with that Mosquitoes problem of yours LEW. I didn’t think you guys in Vermont were alien to soap and water……oh well.

By beachcomber

May 9, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Jim - I’m with you on the original Untouchables - guess you have be an old goat like me even to remember the show. Was thrilled recently when they began issuing the series on DVD at long last. My VHS tapes of the episodes are getting a little grainy. Outstanding show!

By Arkansas Hillbilly

May 9, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Does anyone know if this game will be on ESPN??

DonC, That would interfere with their Roger Clemens sock-changing news conference, and pre-shower interview.

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Out of Charleston, comes some news. Rickey Henderson wants a comeback! Put him out there in left for a month and see if we can get some old Rickey lightning in a bottle out there.

Rickey wants a comeback

Roger Clemens’ big announcement this week has Rickey Henderson hoping some club might give him one more chance to make a major league comeback. Otherwise, he will call it a career - for good this time. ”Seeing Roger come back, all the seed that it plants is ask me to come back one time,” Henderson said Tuesday. ”I’m going to look at it at the end of the year. I might come out with some crazy stuff, a press conference telling every club, ‘Put me on the field with your best player and see if I come out of it.’ If I can’t do it, I’ll call it quits at the end,” he said.

By JasonInMaine

May 9, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

DAP,

Yup, I have to admit; my wife has converted me into a Lost fan. But, Sopranos is still the best show out there. I am excited to watch the Shield. I have a couple of friends who keep telling me how good it is. It appears it may be time to buy the first couple of seasons on DVD. What season is the show in?

Give Lerew anothe start and get Cormier back. Let’s see how the rotation looks then!

Regards,

Jason

By Efrim

May 9, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Don C.

I like Snell, high strikeout rate and all. But I would under no circumstances trade Salty for him. Salty needs to be used in a deal for a guy like Matt Cain or Jered Weaver. They are more established. Plus the Pirates have a guy named Neil Walker in their system who people rave about. He is the #2 rated catcher in the minors. But Snell is great.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

DAP,

Obviously people with a political agenda aren’t too concerned with truth.

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Reading the Charleston paper for who knows what reason - RSS news feeds are unbelievable for tracking news stories about your team. But the last line in this blurb from the paper is great:

There is one quest for baseball immortality this season that won’t end in an asterisk. Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox has moved within three ejections of John McGraw’s baseball record of 131. ”I think all of the umpires should get together and give him something,” John Smoltz told the Atlanta Constitution Journal. Cox, meanwhile, said he is ”a little embarrassed” by the dubious honor, though he admits that being tossed is likely ” just about every time” he leaves the dugout. No word whether former Brave Hank Aaron will be in attendance when Cox goes for the record.

By TennesseePaul

May 9, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Payne: You know the past few days all people were talking about was, AJ isn’t spectacular in the clutch. His career numbers show this. He doesn’t perform to career levels in his splits like you had claimed all players do when given a large enough sample size. There were also the complaints that AJ is not doing well in the clutch so far this year.
Now, he had a good game last night and all of the sudden his average went from .188 to .223 and you’re going on like he just set an all time record.
Last nights game and performance from AJ was very welcome. Even his most ardent detractors will rejoice in success like last night.
The knock on AJ is his inconsistancy. Everyone has noted this.
Personally, I love the guy. I don’t think he should be dropped in the order just yet. I know in the end we’re going to get out of AJ what we always get, about 35 HR, 100 RBI and a .260 AVG. He’s going to get on a role here soon and carry the team through the slump they are experiencing offensively.
As for re-signing him, I hope it works out. I’d like to see him here the rest of his career. It’s up to AJ though. It’s all on him.

By Braves20

May 9, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Yeah, why feature a game on ESPN between two HOF pitchers when neither one of them pitches for New York or Boston. This gets really nauseating.

By BravesFanInRockies

May 9, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Wonderful example tonight of ESPN’s tunnel vision. Instead of Maddux vs. Smoltz, two future HOFers pitching for teams that are at or near the top of their divisions … we get Texas vs. the Yanks, both teams below .500.

Don’t the Yanks have their own cable network? I mean, besides ESPN?

Almost worth buying that DirecTV package …

By Jim

May 9, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Anyone else hope that Roger Clemens gets pounded and becomes a disruptive influence in that clubhouse with a bunch of other stars envious at his “perks”. At some point, many an older pitcher doesn’t just fade away, but abruptly declines because the flexibility, the stamina, and the ability of the body to recover are not what they used to be. In any event, I am sure that ESPN is primed to take us on another tour of the minors with Roger Clemens making his rehab starts and cut in on their regular games with Clemens (and Bonds) moments. YUCK!!!

By Jersey Gil

May 9, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

For those are talking about trade..this is what i have to said: Soriano for Ramirez(Horatio last night lost again 7.62era 2-2…Soriano…well you saw the game last night…Laroche(ave 168 under mendoza line….Gonzo…well again you saw how is he doing)….where ever JS will do mid season will be great this year for the Braves , because he is the best of all GM.

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

What?!?!?!?! No American Idol fans?!?!?! Aw, come on. It’s DOB secret favorite show. You know DOB comes on here and gives props to all these real musicians but he is secretly DVRing the IDOL and rocking out on his IPOD to singers from American Idol. DOB will be putting up Sanjaya lyrics on his next blog, just you watch. :-) =) Just kidding. Don’t think there is a chance in hell of that ever happening from DOB. I’m glad to see that no one has thrown American Idol out there yet as their fave. That would make me sick - but I am pretty sure that there are more than a few too ashamed to admit they indulge in American Idol.

By BravesFanInRockies

May 9, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, and now that Clemens has signed with the Yankees we have to see how the team responds before he arrives. And then after he’s activated we have to see how much of a difference he makes.

I really want to see the Bombers bomb.

And DOB, when you’re at the ballpark tomorrow, send some props to Boomer Wells for saying what so many think about Clemens’ “special circumstances.”

What a narcissist.

By Jersey Gil

May 9, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

DOB…you forgot ‘The Closer” great(TNT) Show..i love Kyra in that Southern acent…the other show i like is “The Unit” .

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

Something to think about: Maddux could very well finish his career with over 400 wins, which would be unheard of for a pitcher post-1930! He’s only 65 wins away and I can see Maddux, 41, pitching into his late 40’s.

Clemens has a shot, too, but he’s already 44 and is much bigger and more of a power-pitcher, though he has adjusted his style late in his career.

The only two pitchers with 400 wins:

Cy Young, retired in 1911.

Walter Johnson, retired in 1927

These two pitchers died well before Maddux and Clemens were born!

I know I’m stating the obvious but stuff like this gives us some perspective of what freaks these guys are (freaks in a good way).

By KC

May 9, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

“Don’t the Yanks have their own cable network? I mean, besides ESPN?”

NIIIIIIIICE!!!!!

By 3trees

May 9, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

flbravesgirl - that explains why Chipper was ‘wrong’ - Central Florida! Hope you’re not from CFL. Just kidding, of course. You’re right about his home, only went to Bolles, right? I was hoping that someone else would remember those old Jacksonville tourist billboards. Oh, so long ago.

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

It’s crazy that Clemens and Maddux have that many wins. I remember 10 or so years ago when all the expert sportswriters kept insisting that it would be extremely rare for a pitcher to get to 300 wins again - and now we have two guys who just might get to 400 wins. I think that rationale the writers used to have was that reduced innings lead to reduced wins and that the amount of money being made would spoil the guys too much that they would have no incentive to keep pitching. As it is turning out it seems that the reduced innnings MAY have kept great pitchers like Clemens and Maddux fresher and more injury free during their careers as opposed to guys from 50 years ago and the money MAY given the great pitchers a great incentive to keep coming back and collecting every last cent they can get their hands on.

By Fred from CT

May 9, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

greg maddux vs john smoltz or robinson tejada vs mike mussina

what a terrible job by espn. They just don’t get it. looks like i will be listening on my XM instead of watching two hall of famers go at it.

By meansonny

May 9, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

LOL, Willy.

I have to say that I indulge. I’ve got quite a few youngins. And they really enjoy Idol and Dancing with the Stars.

That’s why I love blogging from my blackberry, espn gamecast, or The Bull (FM Radio) so much. It keeps me on gametime updates while indulging my kids. Gotta keep my youngins dancing ;-)

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

TennesseePaul,

I think what people don’t seem to realize (not saying you but some people here) is Andruw has never been a particularly high AVG hitter. His AVG is not going to be good in clutch situations because he’s not a high AVG hitter. And it’s going to fluctuate more because a couple of hits make more of a difference in just a few AB’s. Also he’s always been a high K guy who walks a decent number of times so in clutch situations he’s going to have a lot of K’s and a respectable number of BB’s. Hits in the clutch are going to be few and far between for AJ because the type of hitter he is.

By DonCoburleone

May 9, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

I agree it’s pretty ridiculous they don’t have Maddux vs. Smoltz on ESPN tonight. But, in defense of ESPN I do believe they schedule these games before the season even starts - don’t think they knew when they scheduled the game today that Mad-dog and Smoltzie would be going head to head…

By A.J.

May 9, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Salty needs to be used in a deal for a guy like Matt Cain or Jered Weaver. They are more established.

I think some folks really don’t understand 1. just how little prospects are worth compared to established players and 2. how valuable young starting pitching is.

First of all, there will be absolutely no 1 for 1 deal involving Salty and probably any established major league player, definitely not a pitcher.

Salty is a great great prospect, his stint so far has only bettered that, specifically with his defensive catching success. But he is still just a prospect. A guy that has played 3 major league games.

The only position in which prospects are worth more than a catcher who can hit is pitchers, specifically a starting pitcher.

But here’s the thing about prospects. No prospect is a sure thing, especially catcher prospects who are notoriously prone to hitting a wall.

Salty will probably be a good every day major league player, he may be an All-Star, maybe even a superstar, but he still may also not be any better than a backup in the majors, he may not ever catch on at all and eventually wash out.

With Snell he has already proven he can be a major league pitcher, maybe not great, though maybe really really good. He probably won’t wash out, and he may still be great.

You don’t someone who is some measure of a sure thing for a maybe or even a probably. That’s just now how it works, especially when you are talking about a pitcher.

If Pittsburgh was offering Snell for Salty we’d take it seven days a week and twice on Sunday.

As for Cain or Weaver we couldn’t get them for ALL of our prospects. Those guys are young, not eligible for free agency for a few years, and have already shown Cy Young type ability in major league games. They aren’t going ANYWHERE.

Think about it, the last time I’ve heard of a trade of anyone like that was Kazmir and he hadn’t even pitched in the majors yet.

By JasonInMaine

May 9, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

DonC,

That’s true, but ESPN has the ability to change the game they are scheduled to televise. They do it all the time. I remember Bobby complaining a couple of times last year when the game time had to be changed to 7:05 to accommodate ESPN.

Regards,

Jason

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Shaun, what are the league wide OPS+ numbers in clutch situations like late and close, RISP, runners on, and so forth. Intuition tells me that hitters should perform much better in those situations because more pressure is on the pitcher and usually because if that situation is occurring (RISP) usually the pitcher is on the ropes or not performing well. SO, if you could point me in the right direction where I could find league wide averages and determine from that if Andruw is doing well as opposed to the league average, it would be appreciated. Instead of average, I would be more interested in his OPS+ fluctuations in such situations if such is available.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Willy Wally,

Good point.

But also, it is only two guys who could reach 400 wins…two guys in the last, what, 70 years? And those two guys have been extremely fortunate or have put themselves in a position to play for contenders basically their whole careers; that helps their cause a lot.

Not to take anything at all away from what they’re doing because they’re obviously first-ballot, elite HOFers.

It’s a good point that reduced innings and reduced games may be keeping pitchers healthy. I’m sure there’s some research somewhere on the subject.

Also, I’m sure you’d expect a couple of pitchers every couple of generations or so to stay stay healthy enough, play for enough good teams and have the skills to win that many games. After all, in the history of baseball, even in high-game, high-inning eras, there have only been two 400-game winners so far.

By DonCoburleone

May 9, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Matt Cain is for sure untouchable… Jared Weaver probably is (although I’ve heard reports that the Angels do have injury concerns with him). But no, I know Salty won’t bring in a young stud like that. But Ian Snell is in his 3rd or 4th year in the league already. He’ll be a FA in 2 years and there is no way Pittsburgh will be able to keep him… Snell is not in the same league as Weaver or Cain…

By A.J.

May 9, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

I just read that deal about Rainbow/PUSH. It has been addressed enough on here, and probably doesn’t deserve to be talked about here or anywhere because it’s pretty ignorant.

What are the Braves racist for only having black people from the islands? That sure makes sense. Do they want some kind of quota? Nonsense.

There are so many things about this that bother me, but I guess it’s just one of those things you have to learn to ignore.

By 22oz

May 9, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

The Yankees have already been on ESPN this week on Monday vs the Mariners. Ridiculous went out the window along time ago.

By Greg in TN

May 9, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Afternoon folks…

Guys, can’t get that bent out of shape about the boys in Bristol. After all, it’s the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network for a reason, right?

Had to chuckle at the Hawk’s #1 fan post. Nothing like throwing out an example of a bad approach to sports team management while you’re spamming the blog.

Looks to be a gem tonight at the Ted. I would agree with the sentiment that AJ’s flirtation with right field last night is a once in a two-hundred plate appearance happening. AJ’s plate approach is what it is.

By joebrave

May 9, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

I’d rather trade Druw to the Dodgers for M.Kemp and J. Broxton.

By Efrim

May 9, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

AJ,

I agree. No one for one Salty for any pitcher taht has been productive at the major league level. But if you package Salty, Harrison and Escober for Jered Weaver. The Angels are going to do it. I’m just using Weaver as an example, but those are three very good prospects for one pitcher that has not even a years service time.

By A.J.

May 9, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

It would be good if it were on ESPN tonight, like it happens that they got the first Dice-K game, the first Dice-K in Fenway game and the first Dice-K vs. Yankees game. Hey you think they’ll happen to have the game when Clemens gets back? LOL Maybe the first Clemens vs. Red Sox?

They should have known this might happen and do what they do to get the good Red Sox-Yankees games, if you show every game on ESPN of course you get the good matchups.

By BabyGoatEater

May 9, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Walter

Your the first person to comment on my name, hell, Dave didn’t say anything he just refers to me a BGE. Its just for fun. I don’t really eat baby goats (i let em grow up first!)

As for the Braves. I hate ESPN and what it stands for (NY,Boston and nothing else) but unfortunately you kinda have to watch the network. I wish they would make another ESPN (I know there’s too many as it is) called ESPN-EE (ESPN-Everyone Else) then you could just not report on NY, LA, Boston, Chicago. That’d be excellent.

I know he doesn’t pitch for the Braves anymore but, he was my hero growing up so…..I might just catch myself rooting for Greg tonight (just as long as we win).

By jed

May 9, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

I’ve just lost another hour of my life trying to find a way to get Braves games on TV. I quit. This is ridiculous. How backwards is it that someone like me who will seek out games and gladly pay extra to view them CANT ACCESS THE FREAKIN’ GAMES?! It’s not Dish Network’s fault, either! It’s MLB’s fault! F@%# BUD SELIG~!

By DonCoburleone

May 9, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Andruw Jones is going NOWHERE this season people. The Braves are more likely to trade McCann than Andruw.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Willy Wally,

You can go to espn.com’s stat page and see league averages in different situations. We probably would want to look at more than one season, especially since this season is only a month in a half old, but here are the numbers for 2007:

RISP: .256 AVG/.349 OBP/.398 SLG

Close and Late: .253/.335/.391

Runners on: .260/.342/.404

Nobody On: .255/.321/.402

Overall: .257/.330/.402

Not too much fluctuation this season.

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

(i let em grow up first!)

lol!

By Efrim

May 9, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

AJ,

No way Salty for Snell. Snell has had one good year, and he still posted a high ERA. You really want to trade our best prospect for Ian Snell????? Really????

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

How far in advance does ESPN schedule their games? I’m guessing there is no way they could have predicted pitching match ups in advance in many cases. And seems like it takes a lot of haul equipment around the country to broadcast a major league game.

By Efrim

May 9, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

KC,

Thoughts on Chuck James?????

By Metropolitan Man

May 9, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Shaved heads have more fun!!!!!

LETS GO METS!!!!

By meansonny

May 9, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

I seriously don’t see ANYONE getting 400 wins.

Clemens is only pitching 100 innings a season. He’d probably need 5 more seasons to get the next 50+ wins.

And Maddux is going to need 5 more seasons if he can remain healthy and effective (15 wins per season).

With all the money these guys make, that 400 number would be the only reason they keep coming out. I don’t think that will be enough for them.

By Willy Wally

May 9, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Shaun.

By A.J.

May 9, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Efrim,

I’m no GM, but I still don’t think that that would happen.

Just for practical purposes the Angels are really deep at catcher (though Mathis, Budde, Conger and Napoli probably aren’t as good as Salty). Plus they are super deep up the middle.

But in a completely hypothetical situation I still doubt that that kind of deal would happen, just because of what Weaver has shown, plus the dude has 4 years after this one before he’s a free agent. I’m pretty sure he can’t even get arbitration until after ‘09 or maybe ‘10.

Maybe maybe if it was for three potential superstars, but I don’t think anyone is rating Escobar or Harrison as much more than potentially good everyday guys.

Regardless, you just don’t ever see trades like that, mostly because you don’t ever see teams trading young guys like Weaver, Cain or anyone, even for established superstars.

Maybe you have a better memory than me, you are probably older, so maybe it happened before my time, but I cannot recall any trade where someone who had that kind of stuff, that kind of potential, who are so far from free agency, and who had already performed in the majors like Cain or Weaver has been traded unless their was something wrong with them.

And my belief is that it’s because the price for guys like that is so high that they are, for all practical purposes, untouchable.

By SR

May 9, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Just an FYI, Langerhans is batting .091, a stunning 5 for 55!! What happened to this dude? Man, hard to believe but fortunately he is doing this for some other team now.

By Lee

May 9, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

400 wins for Clemens is not worth going through 5 more seasons of going though the media’s Broadway Production every year of his majesty’s returning to baseball and what team will he be playing for…………………Yankees, Red Sox or Astros…………..no not again………… hopefully good riddance after this year……

By David O'Brien

May 9, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

NEW BLOG IS UP

By Efrim

May 9, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

AJ,

I agree, you don’t see trades like that very often. I just wouldn’t package our best prospects for anyone who wasn’t an established pitcvher on the sunny side of 30.

It really brings the question of why we haven’t been doing well with pitchers in the minors recently. Name me a couple of power arms the Braves have in their system. I will say Hanson has promising stats, but other than last years draft the Braves haven’t done well. Why we drafted Cody Johnson is beyond me. Lets grab a pitcher in this draft.

How about rhp Michael Main from Deland High School? Daniel Moskos from Clemson? Ross Deitwiler from Missouri State?

Arms!!! We need them in this system!!!! Right handed preferrably.

By Jim

May 9, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

We are unlikely to get a young major league pitcher like Cain, Weaver (the Younger), Hamels, etc. for Salty or Salty + one more prospect, and such a trade would be very risky. Getting only one pitcher in return raises the possibility that that one pitcher could break down and get injured or lose something off his fastball, etc.

If we were to talk in terms of people within our own system, we would need to get Lerew, Harrison or Jo Jo Reyes, and Hanson or Lyman or Jones for Salty and say D. Hernandez (the 2B at Miss.) Salty, at his stage of development and at his position, is much more projectable than any of the pitchers, but with 3 quality arms coming back, you reduce the liability that you have with trading a position player for a pitcher.

By A.J.

May 9, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Efrim,

Honestly, I don’t know all that much about Snell. He has been awesome this year and it seems like I’ve heard that he’s the real deal.

If that is the case I would probably trade Salty for him. It would suck to lose Salty because I think he could be great, he’s a very exciting prospect, particularly since we’ve seen how he’s done defensively behind the plate so far. However, I want McCann behind the plate for this team for a long long time, and Salty is most valuable behind the plate.

If his bat stays awesome then it may be worthwhile to move him into the field, but until then, his greatest value is as a catcher. And if he’s a catcher, we’re going to trade him.

Baseball America was already projecting Snell as the Pirates No. 2 starter in 2010, and that was before his season this year. Honestly, I’d take a possible No. 2 starter who’s already proven himself a little in the majors today, in return for almost any prospect like Salty who is in a position that is already filled.

If we really needed a catcher I wouldn’t trade Salty for almost anything, but it sounds like Snell would be worth it.

By Shaun

May 9, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

meansonny,

I agree. It is an outside shot for either pitcher to win 400.

I think Maddux has a better shot to remain effective enough for more than 5 more seasons.

I can see Maddux averaging 10 more wins for six more years. It’s kind of a long shot at his age but he’s certainly the type of pitcher who could do it.

By meansonny

May 9, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Shaun,

Phil Niekro was 48 when he retired. Maddux will have to work on a knuckler in my opinion if he’s going to last >=6 more seasons anywhere near 175+ innings.

Maybe DOB can shed some light into Greg Maddux’s psyche. Is he as competitive as Smoltz? Does he dread the possibility of retirement (and the boredom which could follow)? Is he hung up on records? Does he love the lockerroom enough to learn a knuckleball?

Who knows? Some guys just won’t leave the game unless its involuntary.

By joebrave

May 9, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

DOB are the Braves wearing yesteryear uniforms this year? If so what are the chances we will see the 1970 version? and I for one can’t wait to see Doggie and Smoltz hook it up. Anyone see the interview with Smoltz on sports south last night? I swear the man bleeds Braves baseball.

By NYC

May 9, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Cy Young, retired in 1911.

Walter Johnson, retired in 1927

Keep in mind, Cy Young pitched in an era that had starters pitching almost every game.